Toronto police to announce a DVD bust at 10:00am

[Yaowsers]

Heard it from John Oakley just now. It's about the right time of year to make news again. Go Pacific Mall!

[kingfencer]

heh, this should be interesting... damm police, do something important for once, always at tim hortons or harassing store owners at pac mall. when there is real crime in the streets.

[neospice]

Lol tell China to stop pirating stuff then.

[thelefteyeguy]

pac mall has gotten so much more out of hand since the last bust...it's insane. I'd say there is more fake dvd stores than optical stores now...it's pretty much stores with dvds on the floor now...so shady.

[Yaowsers]

pac mall has gotten so much more out of hand since the last bust...it's insane. I'd say there is more fake dvd stores than optical stores now...it's pretty much stores with dvds on the floor now...so shady.It will only continue to grow with the new Chinese plazas popping up.

[hd2002]

I don't get it, why would they announce the "announcement" ahead of time? What else is there to say in the actual announcement?

[SkiLLz]

People still buy bootlegged movies eh? Considering any joe blow with high speed and a burner can do it, I would have figured the market would have been way too flooded to still be profitable.

[Indeed]

People still buy bootlegged movies eh? Considering any joe blow with high speed and a burner can do it, I would have figured the market would have been way too flooded to still be profitable.

Joe Blow is lazy and impatient.

[gilboman]

People still buy bootlegged movies eh? Considering any joe blow with high speed and a burner can do it, I would have figured the market would have been way too flooded to still be profitable.

no way... my time and bandwidth is worth more than that... at 20 for 7 DVD's.. which works out to 2.87/DVD... a DVD with 6gigs bandwidth, time to burn and cost of disc and case and hassle. i much rather pay 2.87 for a DVD.

and for series its even better to buy bootlegged :lol:

[felix]

So would they have a liquidation sale shortly after this announcement? ;)

[Yukikaze]

any news link ?

[CanadianN00b]

no way... my time and bandwidth is worth more than that... at 20 for 7 DVD's.. which works out to 2.87/DVD... a DVD with 6gigs bandwidth, time to burn and cost of disc and case and hassle. i much rather pay 2.87 for a DVD.

and for series its even better to buy bootlegged :lol:

You sure have all the details figured out. :lol:

[KsprayDad]

any news link ?

Google is your friend:

http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/newsreleases/pdfs/10575.pdf

Police take down counterfeit DVD
manufacturer believed to be largest in Canada,
42 Division
Broadcast time: 10:45
Monday, August 28, 2006
42 Division
4168084200
Detectives from the 42 Division Criminal Investigations Bureau recently investigated a
complaint about the illegal sale and manufacturing of counterfeit DVDs at the Dynasty Plaza,
8 Glen Watford Drive.
As a result, detectives from the 42 Division Fraud Office, with the assistance of the Major
Crime, Street Crime and Community Response units, executed warrants at three separate
units within the plaza.
It is alleged that:
 approximately 20,000 counterfeit DVDs were seized from the three units,
 the seizure represents a loss of approximately $400,000 to the motion picture industry,
 one of the units housed a sophisticated manufacturing laboratory.
Investigators from the Canadian Motion Picture Distributors Association’s AntiPiracy
Operations Unit, who assisted in this investigation, believe that this operation had the capacity
to produce 560 DVD movies per hour and is the largest known manufacturing laboratory in
Canada.
This operation represents a potential loss of several million dollars.
Three women were arrested at the time of the warrants.
Yu Wang, 22, of Markham, SiYing Zhao, 22, of Toronto and Jing Zhou, 28, of Toronto have
been charged with Possession of Property Obtained by Crime Over $5,000.
On Saturday, August 26, 2006, You Jie Wu (male), 36, of Markham, was arrested. He has
been charged with:
1) Possession of Property Obtained by Crime Over $5,000,
2) Fraud over $5,000,
3) Fail to Comply  Recognizance.
An arrest warrant has been issued for Yannie Siu (female), 25, of Markham.
Anyone with information is asked to contact police at 4168084200, or Crime Stoppers
anonymously at 416222TIPS (8477), or online at www.222tips.com.
Constable Kristine Bacharach, Public Information, for Detective Constable Tamari Caccamo,
42 Division
ID: 10575 2 / 2

[neospice]

Awesome... lets get these guys shutdown.

[rayesyn]

i wanna go see the raid :D

[thelefteyeguy]

this sounds like a minor dvd bust...compared to the last...

well at least the one at Time Square is closed down (last i seen)

but like 10 more were added at Pac Mall...insane.

[Yaowsers]

:lol:

It wasn't even Pacific Mall.

Awesome... lets get these guys shutdown.
Good luck. More will just open.

[Paranoidandroid]

The last time I went to PMall, I saw a gameshop that sold women's clothing. Most of the area is taken up by these clothes, while there is a TV and desk with binders of games in the corner, which looks even more suspicious. Do they hide their games in clothes now? :lol:

[SkiLLz]

no way... my time and bandwidth is worth more than that... at 20 for 7 DVD's.. which works out to 2.87/DVD... a DVD with 6gigs bandwidth, time to burn and cost of disc and case and hassle. i much rather pay 2.87 for a DVD.

and for series its even better to buy bootlegged :lol:
Time and bandwidth? Clicking a button takes no time and my bandwidth is free. Buying burnt DVDs is like getting full serve gas. And screw those pac mall idiots. They're making 1000%+ profit on each burnt DVD, so I'm not going to support them.

[gman]

I guess they scored a big one. This one has labs and the manufacturing equipment. It looks like it is the source instead of just retail.

[zmtomako]

but check the fines on that pdf news release...

unless theres more to it, those $5000 fines mean nothing

[gman]

but check the fines on that pdf news release...

unless theres more to it, those $5000 fines mean nothing

Where does it say fine is $5000?

[kingfencer]

i wonder how much tax dollars did they waste on this instead of busting gansters and thugs in the streets.

[gman]

i wonder how much tax dollars did they waste on this instead of busting gansters and thugs in the streets.

This kind of operation is usually run by gansters and in the worst case can be back by terrorist (I don't mean this one though). This one is not just retail.

[rdtx2002]

they'll be back in 2 weeks

[Yaowsers]

This kind of operation is usually run by gansters and in the worst case can be back by terrorist (I don't mean this one though). This one is not just retail.
Since when did Al Qaeda get involved in the bootleg dvd industry? They're taking over the world!

[gman]

Since when did Al Qaeda get involved in the bootleg dvd industry? They're taking over the world!

There is not only one terrorist group in the world. Do a google.

[gman]

they'll be back in 2 weeks

They need to get that equipment that can split out 560 DVD per hour first. It is not something they can get from futureshop.

[kingfencer]

560 dvd is alot, a basement full of dvd burners wall to wall, enough space only for the burner to open

[Yaowsers]

There is not only one terrorist group in the world. Do a google.I know that. It's only that when I think of pirated dvds I think of Asians. I don't follow global issues very much but I don't know of any Asian terrorists groups.

[jory29]

I don't understand - do the DVD's that they sell look like the authentic ones? I'm surprised no one ever says to them, "Uh, you know, the label looks a little sketchy to me," What do the discs look like? And what about the cases? Do they look real, too? Do the discs still have the message about the legalities of copying movies, etc., when people hit play?

[gman]

I know that. It's only that when I think of pirated dvds I think of Asians. I don't follow global issues very much but I don't know of any Asian terrorists groups.

There are a lot of Asian terrorist groups. They may not hit the front page here but there are many. And, priated dvd is not limited to Asian.

For the minimum, I know the priated dvd can be made by Chinese, Indian and Russian.

[KsprayDad]

I don't understand - do the DVD's that they sell look like the authentic ones? I'm surprised no one ever says to them, "Uh, you know, the label looks a little sketchy to me," What do the discs look like? And what about the cases? Do they look real, too? Do the discs still have the message about the legalities of copying movies, etc., when people hit play?

I don't live in TO so don't flame me on this...honest question.

Are the vast majority of the clients not originally from Canada but from countries where bootleg DVDs are rampant? Therefore, this is 'normal' for them? Thus leading to the lack of 'Uh, you know, the lable looks a little sketchy to me'.

[gman]

I don't understand - do the DVD's that they sell look like the authentic ones? I'm surprised no one ever says to them, "Uh, you know, the label looks a little sketchy to me," What do the discs look like? And what about the cases? Do they look real, too? Do the discs still have the message about the legalities of copying movies, etc., when people hit play?

The answers are:

No.
The one who bought these stuff knows they are priated. At least, most of them.
No, the case does not look real.
Yes, it probably has copyright message and the FBI message.

[rdtx2002]

They need to get that equipment that can split out 560 DVD per hour first. It is not something they can get from futureshop.

they probably have backups or have one already shipped out from China already

[Yaowsers]

The discs are blantant ripoffs and people know it. All the customers know it. The discs are kept int spindles at a lot of places just sitting on a table.These guys are here and they're here to stay no matter how many times you try to shut them down.

[gman]

they probably have backups or have one already shipped out from China already

May be. But, if you were them, would you set up a back up facility instead of using that as extra production too? Those equipment probably costs a million. It does not make any business sense to keep it idle. This is not a mission critical operation. You don't want that to be busted too before it can generate money. You have your own enemy to see you going down by tipping off the police.

[Yaowsers]

Breaking news.

The police are currently phone the phone with these men in Hong Kong. A deal is imminent.

http://www.dianying.com/images/moviepics/0981998.jpg

[Paranoidandroid]

Breaking news.

The police are currently phone the phone with these men in Hong Kong. A deal is imminent.

http://www.dianying.com/images/moviepics/0981998.jpg

oh noez! now who will run causeway bay?!!!1111elevunty-six

[gilboman]

Time and bandwidth? Clicking a button takes no time and my bandwidth is free. Buying burnt DVDs is like getting full serve gas. And screw those pac mall idiots. They're making 1000%+ profit on each burnt DVD, so I'm not going to support them.

it takes me time to d/l dvds, then label and burn them and put them in cases.

i like full serve gas as well, especially in bad weather ;)

[gilboman]

May be. But, if you were them, would you set up a back up facility instead of using that as extra production too? Those equipment probably costs a million. It does not make any business sense to keep it idle. This is not a mission critical operation. You don't want that to be busted too before it can generate money. You have your own enemy to see you going down by tipping off the police.

they will be back b/c the profits are there. no country can succeed against piracy

[Spiderpal93]

I don't understand - do the DVD's that they sell look like the authentic ones? I'm surprised no one ever says to them, "Uh, you know, the label looks a little sketchy to me," What do the discs look like? And what about the cases? Do they look real, too? Do the discs still have the message about the legalities of copying movies, etc., when people hit play?

The majority knows that they are pirated. But most people buying them really don't care since they are so much cheaper than authentic ones(average is $20 for 6, but there are also cheaper ones!).

[boonjaca]

Time and bandwidth? Clicking a button takes no time and my bandwidth is free. Buying burnt DVDs is like getting full serve gas. And screw those pac mall idiots. They're making 1000%+ profit on each burnt DVD, so I'm not going to support them.

Just remember that not everyone is as tech savy as some of the RFD people, a 50 year old lady from China or Hong Kong might not even know how to operate a computer. If so they might not know where or how to get the movies from.

[gman]

they will be back b/c the profits are there. no country can succeed against piracy
I did not say it will not be back. I just say this operation probably will not be back in 2 weeks because getting the equipment with the same capacity will be more than 2 weeks.

I also was talking about if they have a backup system somewhere else right now for the part you quoted me. That is I was talking about 'back up' and not 'back'.

[module]

Does anyone know if these guys sold to the public? or were they only a distribution centre?

[whampoa]

Hints ;)

Toronto International Film Festival
September 7-16, 2006

It's only 1 week away! :twisted:

[Yaowsers]

Does anyone know if these guys sold to the public? or were they only a distribution centre?They probably distribute to the stores.

[SkiLLz]

i like full serve gas as well, especially in bad weather ;)
Are you serious? You live in Canada and need to pay money to have people fill your gas because of the weather? Why are you even buying bootlegged dvds then? Why not order real ones online so you don't have to leave your house and deal with weather?

Just remember that not everyone is as tech savy as some of the RFD people, a 50 year old lady from China or Hong Kong might not even know how to operate a computer. If so they might not know where or how to get the movies from.
But thanks to the emergence of torrents, you don't need to be "tech savy" at all. Any boob with an interent connection can download the newest games/movies/etc almost as fast as people that actually know what they're doing. Torrents have made piracy so simple that literally anybody can do it.

[Yaowsers]

August 28, 2006 - 11:08 am
By: Anne Winstanley

Toronto - Toronto Police have smashed a counterfeit DVD manufacturer in Scarborough, believed to be the largest in the country.

Police got a tip about illegal DVD's at the Dynasty Plaza on Glen Watford Dr., near Midland and Sheppard.

Officers searched three units at the plaza and seized 20,000 counterfeit DVD's, representing a loss of about $400,000 to the motion picture industry. They also say one of the units housed a sophisticated manufacturing laboratory.

Investigators from the Canadian Motion Picture Distributors Association's Anti-Piracy Operations Unit, who assisted in the investigation, believe this operation had the capacity to produce 560 DVD's per hour, representing a potential loss of several million dollars.

Three women were arrested at the time of the warrants. 22-year old Yu Wang of Markham, 22-year old Siying Zhao of Toronto and 28-year old Jing Zhou of Toronto have been charged with possession of property obtained by crime over $5,000.

36-year old Jie Wu of Markham was arrested on Saturday. He has been charged with: possession of property obtained by crime over $5,000, fraud over $5,000, fail to comply - recognizance.

An arrest warrant has been issued for 25-year old Yannie Siu of Markham.

[wiggitywhack]

This is stupid tactic. It's honestly free publicity for the storeowners at P-Mall. Ever since that last bust, there's been more non-Asian people looking for pirated movies.
Ah well, cheap movies for all!

[gman]

Are you serious? You live in Canada and need to pay money to have people fill your gas because of the weather?
Some gas stations in Toronto are still not self-service only.

[SkiLLz]

Some gas stations in Toronto are still not self-service only.
So he'd be driving to a gas station that specifically didn't have self-serve in order to avoid the bad weather?

[gman]

So he'd be driving to a gas station that specifically didn't have self-serve in order to avoid the bad weather?

No, he can drive to a gas station that has both self-service and service. There may be a few in his neighbourhood. Also, his regular gas station may be one of those.

[gilboman]

Are you serious? You live in Canada and need to pay money to have people fill your gas because of the weather? Why are you even buying bootlegged dvds then? Why not order real ones online so you don't have to leave your house and deal with weather?.

just because i live in canada doesnt mean i enjoy pumping gas when its freezing cold with high windchill, or raining hard outside. the point about full serve gas, is that sometimes, people dont mind paying for conveinence which you have correctly pointed out why there are proliferations of so many online retailers. ;)


But thanks to the emergence of torrents, you don't need to be "tech savy" at all. Any boob with an interent connection can download the newest games/movies/etc almost as fast as people that actually know what they're doing. Torrents have made piracy so simple that literally anybody can do it.

again i ask you..how long does it take you to download 7 dvd movies and burn and label them? at about 6gigs a pop, that's 40 or so gigs to download. and burn and label. i use torrents all the time as well, but its way faster and easier if i pass by the store to just pick up dvds i want instead of downloading them w hich hogs my bandwidth for online games ;)

[atforum]

they need to dig into each and every computer inside canada. They will find moreeeeeeeeeee :D

[SkiLLz]

Ok fine, go ahead and pay someone to pump your gas for you while blasting your itunes mp3s and watching your $3 bootlegged pacific mall dvds. I'll be in my room downloading free porn.

[bmwmini]

Why the hell are you talking about gas in this thread.

[YnD]

Awesome... lets get these guys shutdown.

Ohh cry me a river. Its not like you dont burn your own dvds/games or download Mp3's which is also illegal. If you use limewire or bittorrent your no different. Might as well shut us all down then rite?

[Yaowsers]

just because i live in canada doesnt mean i enjoy pumping gas when its freezing cold with high windchill, or raining hard outside. the point about full serve gas, is that sometimes, people dont mind paying for conveinence which you have correctly pointed out why there are proliferations of so many online retailers. ;)



again i ask you..how long does it take you to download 7 dvd movies and burn and label them? at about 6gigs a pop, that's 40 or so gigs to download. and burn and label. i use torrents all the time as well, but its way faster and easier if i pass by the store to just pick up dvds i want instead of downloading them w hich hogs my bandwidth for online games ;)I have close to 600 dvdrs filling up 3 binders all from downloads. It took me about 3 years to build that collection. If someone offered me 7 quality dvds bootleg or not for $20 I'd take it. It does take up a lot of time and it does take work to download and burn.

[SkiLLz]

I have close to 600 dvdrs filling up 3 binders all from downloads. It took me about 3 years to build that collection. If someone offered me 7 quality dvds bootleg or not for $20 I'd take it. It does take up a lot of time and it does take work to download and burn.
#1 What if they were low quality dvdrs? Is it still a bargain?

#2 What if the movies are less than dvd rip quality? Is it still a bargain?

If it was me selling them, I would use the cheapest dvdrs possible and if there was no dvd-rip quality version of a given movie, I would not hesitate in burning a lower quality one instead (like a TS or CAM, if that's all that's available). I wouldn't sacrafice money just to give my customers a better quality movie a couple weeks down the line. I'd sell the CAMs as soon as they were out and then sell the DVD-Rips a couple weeks later when they're out also.

Are all those pac mall dvds really all dvd-rip quality and burned on high quality discs? Then maybe I was too rash.

[Blunt]

Ohh cry me a river. Its not like you dont burn your own dvds/games or download Mp3's which is also illegal. If you use limewire or bittorrent your no different. Might as well shut us all down then rite?

Well, at least the torrent people aren't profitiing from it.
The should also check how much tax evasion is going on in these stores and really hurt'em hard.

[thelefteyeguy]

Ohh cry me a river. Its not like you dont burn your own dvds/games or download Mp3's which is also illegal. If you use limewire or bittorrent your no different. Might as well shut us all down then rite?


but it sucks that they are profiting from it...

[Yaowsers]

#1 What if they were low quality dvdrs? Is it still a bargain?

#2 What if the movies are less than dvd rip quality? Is it still a bargain?

If it was me selling them, I would use the cheapest dvds possible and if there was no dvd-rip quality version of a given movie, I would not hesitate in burning a lower quality one instead (like a TS or CAM, if that's all that's available).

Are all those pac mall dvds really all dvd-rip quality and burned on high quality discs? Then maybe I was too rash.If they are DVD quality then it's a bargain. Anything less I wouldn't consider touching. A lot are just bootleg cams. People who buy those are stupid. There are older releases which are bootlegs that are pure duplicates of the original. As for the quality of the discs I wouldn't know. I wouldn't doubt that they are using cheap discs. You could always test out the movies there before you purchase them. I've never purchased any because I have never needed to. To a lot of people they are providing an invaluble service albiet illegal.

[SkiLLz]

Ohh cry me a river. Its not like you dont burn your own dvds/games or download Mp3's which is also illegal. If you use limewire or bittorrent your no different. Might as well shut us all down then rite?
Wrong. These as.sholes are making money by SELLING the stuff that THEY download off bittorrent or limewire. They're the ones causing all the negativity surrounding piracy and they're the ones causing people that download ONLY FOR PERSONAL USE to get arrested or fined.

I don't know how anybody can seriously support them.

[YnD]

but it sucks that they are profiting from it...

Dude, they're not making anything compared to FS/BB.

If they wanna risk getting caught for a measly couple dollars per DVD then thats their problem. Any of us can profit from DVDs but its against the law and is risky correct? But as a consumer, why would it matter. It doesn't affect any of us.

Just like if a drug dealer is dealing a dime of weed to someone in a random spot in Toronto. They are profiting from the weed sale correct while we're at home in front of our computers. It doesn't affect us. So just ignore it. If we buy the counterfeit DVDs. we're benefiting because we're getting a "deal". No complaints there.

[gman]

Dude, they're not making anything compared to FS/BB.

If they wanna risk getting caught for a measly couple dollars per DVD then thats their problem. Any of us can profit from DVDs but its against the law and is risky correct? But as a consumer, why would it matter. It doesn't affect any of us.

Just like if a drug dealer is dealing a dime of weed to someone in a random spot in Toronto. They are profiting from the weed sale correct while we're at home in front of our computers. It doesn't affect us. So just ignore it. If we buy the counterfeit DVDs. we're benefiting because we're getting a "deal". No complaints there.

I guess nothing will affect you.
A girl is raped in a random spot. You are not a girl and you are at home. It does not affect you.
Some people got murdered. You don't live there. It does not affect you.

[Frankie3s]

Wrong. These as.sholes are making money by SELLING the stuff that THEY download off bittorrent or limewire. They're the ones causing all the negativity surrounding piracy and they're the ones causing people that download ONLY FOR PERSONAL USE to get arrested or fined.

I don't know how anybody can seriously support them.

Exactly. The other issue at hand is lost taxes not being paid not just on the sale (PST & GST) but also in the income generated. Result = you and I pay more in income taxes, sales taxes, e.t.c.

[thelefteyeguy]

Dude, they're not making anything compared to FS/BB.

If they wanna risk getting caught for a measly couple dollars per DVD then thats their problem. Any of us can profit from DVDs but its against the law and is risky correct? But as a consumer, why would it matter. It doesn't affect any of us.

Just like if a drug dealer is dealing a dime of weed to someone in a random spot in Toronto. They are profiting from the weed sale correct while we're at home in front of our computers. It doesn't affect us. So just ignore it. If we buy the counterfeit DVDs. we're benefiting because we're getting a "deal". No complaints there.


you're a noob arent you?

FS doesnt even come close to the amount these f@gs are making...FS has to pay the rent, overhead for the store, sales staff, distributors, manufacturer, studios, agents, marketing, artist, etc...etc...etc.

have you seen this f@gs at pacmall....they have ony rent...some teenage girls sales person collecting the revenues and making squat to nothing...why can't they make much more?

let's not talk about sales volume too...these shops are never empty...traffic all the time..


im not a poster child for the righteous...but I also dont profit from something illegal.

[d_jedi]

If so they might not know where or how to get the movies from.
How about buying them legally?

[neospice]

Oh please, shut up... Of course I download games/mp3s/movies, but I'm not dumb enough to open up a run down shop and sell them like I'm some kind of official retailer. I'm gonna take a wild guess and assume you're chinese, and I'll probably be right, since you're sympathizing with these guys.

Ohh cry me a river. Its not like you dont burn your own dvds/games or download Mp3's which is also illegal. If you use limewire or bittorrent your no different. Might as well shut us all down then rite?

[SkiLLz]

Dude, they're not making anything compared to FS/BB.

If they wanna risk getting caught for a measly couple dollars per DVD then thats their problem. Any of us can profit from DVDs but its against the law and is risky correct? But as a consumer, why would it matter. It doesn't affect any of us.

Just like if a drug dealer is dealing a dime of weed to someone in a random spot in Toronto. They are profiting from the weed sale correct while we're at home in front of our computers. It doesn't affect us. So just ignore it. If we buy the counterfeit DVDs. we're benefiting because we're getting a "deal". No complaints there.
Ok wtf. In your last paragraph, are you saying that drug dealing is okay because it doesn't affect us? That's your analogy to why we shouldn't be happy that these jackasses got arrested??

I smoke weed, but greedy idiots trying to make money by selling dimebags to kids are the reason that people like me have to be worried about cops. I cause NO harm to society, drug dealers do, but I have to suffer and my freedoms are compromised because of their greed. Same thing with piracy. The greedy asses at pacific mall DIRECTLY affect every other computer/internet user, whether or not you want to believe it. Those guys are greedy and selfish and I hope they get exactly what's coming to them. And as others mentioned, I'm not even touching the tax evasion issue.

[Spare-Flair]

:lol:

It wasn't even Pacific Mall.


Good luck. More will just open.

But it was "Dynasty Plaza" Even sitting here in Calgary I can imagine the place. At least us Chinese do DVDs instead of drugs.

[Yaowsers]

Exactly. The other issue at hand is lost taxes not being paid not just on the sale (PST & GST) but also in the income generated. Result = you and I pay more in income taxes, sales taxes, e.t.c.
Tons of people do stuff to make a bit of side money which are not taxed. Be it fixing computers for people. Installing satellite dishes etc. Pirate DVDs are only a small part of it.

[Rocketo]

http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_3126.aspx

"There were 142 burners...going for 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, the potential capacity is in the millions," confirms Det. Cst. Tamari Caccamo.

that's crazy

[SkiLLz]

But it was "Dynasty Plaza" Even sitting here in Calgary I can imagine the place. At least us Chinese do DVDs instead of drugs.
What? I know plenty of chinese guys that deal drugs, stolen ****, fake ****, etc. So because these guys are chinese they should be let go?

[SkiLLz]

Tons of people do stuff to make a bit of side money which are not taxed. Be it fixing computers for people. Installing satellite dishes etc. Pirate DVDs are only a small part of it.
And the bigger the black market is, the worse off everyone with a legal job is. Do you not understand that? Just because there are other black market jobs doesn't make them right.

[Spare-Flair]

Doncha love it when you're walking around Markham or Scarborough and you see all these normal looking shops full of retail goods but then you see that they are closed and the operating hours are

MWTFS - Closed

Open: Sunday 2PM - 4PM

You know something's fishy. Either counterfeit goods, black market, tax evasion, or immigration reasons.

[YnD]

Oh please, shut up... Of course I download games/mp3s/movies, but I'm not dumb enough to open up a run down shop and sell them like I'm some kind of official retailer. I'm gonna take a wild guess and assume you're chinese, and I'll probably be right, since you're sympathizing with these guys.

Hey read my post CAREFULLY dude. Am I backing these guys up? NO. I clearly stated that these guys are stupid enough to sell pirated stuff then let them get caught and enough said. What are you gonna do about it? Nothing.

So I guess all those powersellers on ebay selling fake louis vouitton or any fake name brand and profitting as if they were authentic is illegal too rite? Lets bust them too.

[SkiLLz]

I guess making relevent analogies is a dying art...

[Yaowsers]

What? I know plenty of chinese guys that deal drugs, stolen ****, fake ****, etc. So because these guys are chinese they should be let go?
We know how to weasel our way out.

As Bruce Lee said. "The Chinese are very sneaky. Always like to hit low."

[YnD]

I guess nothing will affect you.
A girl is raped in a random spot. You are not a girl and you are at home. It does not affect you.
Some people got murdered. You don't live there. It does not affect you.

Yah good job there. We're talking about money here. A pirated DVD sale has no affect on you unless all retail DVDs increased in price which obviously they aren't.

If you had thousands invested in Enron before it went bankrupt then of course that affects you.

[YnD]

Wrong. These as.sholes are making money by SELLING the stuff that THEY download off bittorrent or limewire. They're the ones causing all the negativity surrounding piracy and they're the ones causing people that download ONLY FOR PERSONAL USE to get arrested or fined.

I don't know how anybody can seriously support them.

No ones supporting them. Its their fault for selling it so publicly. People just aren't agreeing with me the other side of the story.

When we download anything, burn it to a DVD/CD, and lend it to a friend/family member, that is NOT personal use for obvious reasons. That's already potential revenue lost to a retailer they COULD of bought the DVD from.

[gman]

No ones supporting them. Its their fault for selling it so publicly. People just aren't agreeing with me the other side of the story.

When we download anything, burn it to a DVD/CD, and lend it to a friend/family member, that is NOT personal use for obvious reasons. That's already potential revenue lost to a retailer they COULD of bought the DVD from.

It is not all about the revenue lose. It is about feeding money to the scumbag who turns around to use the money to do something else which can be bad.

[KsprayDad]

So I guess all those powersellers on ebay selling fake louis vouitton or any fake name brand and profitting as if they were authentic is illegal too rite? Lets bust them too.

You are aware that they get busted too right?

http://www.cacn.ca/PDF/RCMP 2006 Winter Edition.pdf

[SkiLLz]

No ones supporting them. Its their fault for selling it so publicly. People just aren't agreeing with me the other side of the story.

When we download anything, burn it to a DVD/CD, and lend it to a friend/family member, that is NOT personal use for obvious reasons. That's already potential revenue lost to a retailer they COULD of bought the DVD from.
YOU'RE supporting them. I have no idea how you can keep defending these guys. Is it seriously just a "standing up for your race" thing or do you honestly not think they're doing anything wrong?

And your analogy isn't the same as making money by selling something that you have no right to be selling. Your analogies just don't work.

[YnD]

You are aware that they get busted too right?

http://www.cacn.ca/PDF/RCMP 2006 Winter Edition.pdf

This has nothing to do with non authentic items being sold as the original.

[d_jedi]

Good news. But these pirate operations are a cancer - if you don't kill it all, it's just going to grow back. Hopefully, these people serve some serious time (ex. a guy in the US got 6 years recently for selling pirated software..), but with our extremely lax justice system (hope the Feds fix this up soon.. they haven't done much of anything on this yet) I sadly doubt it.

The police are well aware of the pirate operations in Pacific Mall and other places (yeah, like the binder really fools anyone..) - but I'm not sure if they have the resources necessary to really do justice (ie. surveillance of each of the places for a week or so, noting all customers who purchase the illegal discs as well as all of the employees and suppliers.. then do a simultaneous bust of each of the shops. Then, in the days and weeks following, go after the customers of these places..)

[Yaowsers]

My white friend said something pretty funny. He said they should've never allowed white people into Pacific Mall. :lol:

[gman]

This has nothing to do with non authentic items being sold as the original.

They are illegal and yes, they should be busted.

[YnD]

My white friend said something pretty funny. He said they should've never allowed white people into Pacific Mall. :lol:

The reason why these busts started to happen :)

[Rocketo]

it's messed up our legal system..how can someone trafficing do more time then someone who assaults multiple people...

[Yaowsers]

The reason why these busts started to happen :)Yup. Bunch of sellouts!

[d_jedi]

The reason why these busts started to happen :)
And will continue to happen. It doesn't take much effort to pick up the phone and let the police know of a new illegal shop being set up.. :D

[d_jedi]

it's messed up our legal system..how can someone trafficing do more time then someone who assaults multiple people...
Since when?

[KsprayDad]

My white friend said something pretty funny. He said they should've never allowed white people into Pacific Mall. :lol:

That is about as funny as saying we shouldn't have let the Asian retailers into Canada in the first place.

[Yaowsers]

And will continue to happen. It doesn't take much effort to pick up the phone and let the police know of a new illegal shop being set up.. :DYou do realize the number of shops selling these aren't declining even with all the raids?

[red_roses101]

Commercial piracy is bad, recreational is OK.

[Yaowsers]

That is about as funny as saying we shouldn't have let the Asian retailers into Canada in the first place.If that was the case then we wouldn't be having this dvd problem now would we?

[YnD]

And will continue to happen. It doesn't take much effort to pick up the phone and let the police know of a new illegal shop being set up.. :D

Thats no problem. Keep in mind this is NOTHING. In the news there's alot more identity theft and mortgage fraud then anything. Alot of crippled Lawyers and Real Estate Agents. We all know these people aren't asian immigrants.

[Yaowsers]

And will continue to happen. It doesn't take much effort to pick up the phone and let the police know of a new illegal shop being set up.. :DYou know what. Someone give me the non-emergency number to the police. I'll make a phonecall to them and report a bootleg dvd store. I'll make a recording of the conversation and post it on RFD. I want to hear what they say and how the conversation goes. :lol:

[d_jedi]

You do realize the number of shops selling these aren't declining even with all the raids?
I know. Our legal system's record of shutting these places down is abysmal - hopefully the federal government will do something about it (they haven't gotten tough on crime yet.. hopefully that's going to come in the next session of the hoc).. BUT, that doesn't stop concerned citizens from doing whatever within their power to help combat the problem.

[gman]

You know what. Someone give me the non-emergency number to the police. I'll make a phonecall to them and report a bootleg dvd store. I'll make a recording of the conversation and post it on RFD. I want to hear what they say and how the conversation goes. :lol:

Toronto: 416-808-2222

[d_jedi]

Commercial piracy is bad, recreational is OK.
Absolutely not. Would you like it if I stole $20 from your wallet/purse?

[d_jedi]

In the news there's alot more identity theft and mortgage fraud then anything. Alot of crippled Lawyers and Real Estate Agents. We all know these people aren't asian immigrants.
:confused: What does a physical handicap have to do with anything :confused:

[red_roses101]

You know what. Someone give me the non-emergency number to the police. I'll make a phonecall to them and report a bootleg dvd store. I'll make a recording of the conversation and post it on RFD. I want to hear what they say and how the conversation goes. :lol:
Do it.

[Yaowsers]

Toronto: 416-808-2222
Thanks.

How can I do this? I need to get this captured on my computer somehow. So I can save it as a mp3. I'll do it like next week. Doing it now when it's all over the news won't make sense.

[KsprayDad]

Toronto: 416-808-2222

Are you required to inform them first that a voice recording is being made???

[d_jedi]

You know what. Someone give me the non-emergency number to the police. I'll make a phonecall to them and report a bootleg dvd store. I'll make a recording of the conversation and post it on RFD. I want to hear what they say and how the conversation goes. :lol:
Which department? Toronto? York Region (this would apply to Pacific Mall..)? RCMP?

Edit: You can also call Crime Stoppers.. although I'm not sure if they forward this stuff on..

[KsprayDad]

:confused: What does a physical handicap have to do with anything :confused:

crippled = crooked ???

[red_roses101]

Thanks.

How can I do this? I need to get this captured on my computer somehow. So I can save it as a mp3. I'll do it like next week. Doing it now when it's all over the news won't make sense.

What I'd do..is open sound recorder, put the phone on speaker, and put the mic near the appropriate source (your mouth/phone speaker).

[YnD]

:confused: What does a physical handicap have to do with anything :confused:

Crippled is another word for Crooked. :lol:... Unethical in other words.

[Yaowsers]

Are you required to inform them first that a voice recording is being made???Yeah I'm sure I do. Well we'll see what happens. It's not on my list of priorities. I don't want to get in any hot water over something stupid.

[Yaowsers]

What I'd do..is open sound recorder, put the phone on speaker, and put the mic near the appropriate source (your mouth/phone speaker).That's the ghetto way of doing it.

[KsprayDad]

Crippled is another word for Crooked. :lol:... Unethical in other words.

My white old suburban a$$ doesn't find this in http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=crippled

How can I understand today's yoots?

[d_jedi]

My white old suburban a$$ doesn't find this in http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=crippled

How can I understand today's yoots?
I've never heard of that term either..

[gilboman]

just to comment on the quality of the dvd's... if the movie is stil in theatres, its most likely a cam vid that you get at any torrent site. if its out on dvd, its a direct rip.

but for 3bux a pop, no waiting, no burning if you buy it. i dont bother d/l and burn movies anymore, i just wait and buy a bunch that i may want to watch. i only d/l series now since i'm much more inclined to watch them multiple times

[Nemodigital]

just to comment on the quality of the dvd's... if the movie is stil in theatres, its most likely a cam vid that you get at any torrent site. if its out on dvd, its a direct rip.

but for 3bux a pop, no waiting, no burning if you buy it. i dont bother d/l and burn movies anymore, i just wait and buy a bunch that i may want to watch. i only d/l series now since i'm much more inclined to watch them multiple times
And thats why these scumbags are in business... do you think they pay taxes to support healthcare and so forth. Often these are the same loosers that create counterfeit money. Automatic 5 year jail sentences would cut it because even though these guys are greedy they are not stupid and the news of a 5 year sentence would spread very quickly thoughout the community.

[bmwmini]

What I'd do..is open sound recorder, put the phone on speaker, and put the mic near the appropriate source (your mouth/phone speaker).

I'm pretty sure a girl doesn't post like this. Maybe i'm wrong...

[YnD]

Just like when black people used the phrase "Thats Arms" which is another word for mean.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=arms

Before I never knew arms meant anything other then parts of the
human anatomy. Soon enough we'll be saying Fingers and Legs.

[Nemodigital]

Just like when black people used the phrase "Thats Arms" which is another word for mean.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=arms

Before I never knew arms meant anything other then parts of the
human anatomy. Soon enough we'll be saying Fingers and Legs.
Guess I am too white :confused: First time I heard of this, sounds more of a shouthern US type of slang if I had to guess.

[red_roses101]

I'm pretty sure a girl doesn't post like this. Maybe i'm wrong...

Heaven forbid I know anything about computers :rolleyes:

[Nemodigital]

Heaven forbid I know anything about computers :rolleyes:
I think just the signiture Daddy's Little Girl conjurs images of a fat hairy guy in a wifebeater sitting infront of a dingy monitor... but thats just me.

[Yaowsers]

Heaven forbid I know anything about computers :rolleyes:You must not be hot then :razz:

I'm only kidding!

[bmwmini]

You must not be hot then :razz:

I'm only kidding!

Read his/her other posts, you'll see what the buzz is about :lol:

[KsprayDad]

I think just the signiture Daddy's Little Girl conjurs images of a fat hairy guy in a wifebeater sitting infront of a dingy monitor... but thats just me.


I'm sorry, but did you just admit to being a fat hairy guy in a wifebeater sitting infront of a dingy monitor? :confused:

[JohnB]

Wow, thanks OP, I better go stock up now !

This is a hot deal ! Woot, woot.

[RedLightning]

Three women were arrested at the time of the warrants.
Yu Wang, 22, of Markham, SiYing Zhao, 22, of Toronto and Jing Zhou, 28, of Toronto have
been charged with Possession of Property Obtained by Crime Over $5,000.
On Saturday, August 26, 2006, You Jie Wu (male), 36, of Markham, was arrested. He has
been charged with:
1) Possession of Property Obtained by Crime Over $5,000,
2) Fraud over $5,000,
3) Fail to Comply  Recognizance.
An arrest warrant has been issued for Yannie Siu (female), 25, of Markham.
Anyone with information is asked to contact police at 4168084200, or Crime Stoppers
anonymously at 416222TIPS (8477), or online at www.222tips.com.
Constable Kristine Bacharach, Public Information, for Detective Constable Tamari Caccamo,
42 Division
ID: 10575 2 / 2

Minor observation: With the exception of the last person, it looks like everybody on the list is from China.

[jkyc]

some computer store do sell the disk dupulicator....

[YnD]

Minor observation: With the exception of the last person, it looks like everybody on the list is from China.

True. Whats even a more concrete oberservation is the fact that they are women running this business.

[PCDawg]

Minor observation: With the exception of the last person, it looks like everybody on the list is from China.

These people are not the brains behind the operations...

They are probably jsut people paid to sit there and do the dirty work in copying the movies and making sure they dont stop .... the shops at Pacific Mall and others relying on them getting the orders in LOL

[gman]

True. Whats even a more concrete oberservation is the fact that they are women running this business.
They probably are not those who are in charge of this business.

[insanity]

So is PMALL having a clearance sale to clear everything out b4 the police raid them again :cheesygri

[YnD]

They probably are not those who are in charge of this business.

Prolly the wives of some Chinese gangsters.

[PSiBeR]

I just love walking through PMALL and seeing all these little stores with picnic tables layed out with large selections of bootleg movies catering to any culture. Bringing diversity together :lol: meanwhile you see an asian woman sitting there on a broken down chair with a little tv by herself.
Makes you wonder how much they get paid just sitting there. and is there some routine they are told of if they see a couple cops around the corner? (flip the tables and run? quickly replace the north american movies with asian ones?)

I wonder would ppl be more enticed to buying these movies, if they were DVDR quality group ripped movies? cuz I know damn well more asians are staying away from buying these movies (unless they were asian movies). I see more white ppl buying these movies thinking they are watchable DVD quality movies.

Oh yea, not really related but if any of you guys been to First Markham lately, theres this store called "Italian Designer clothing whatever.." (obviously the previous store closed down) those dudes put alot of effort into their bootleg business they got racks and had the DVDs all shelved nicely, with retailish look'n covers lol :D

[LeeBoA]

I don't understand - do the DVD's that they sell look like the authentic ones? I'm surprised no one ever says to them, "Uh, you know, the label looks a little sketchy to me," What do the discs look like? And what about the cases? Do they look real, too? Do the discs still have the message about the legalities of copying movies, etc., when people hit play?
No the point is ppl get movies at a cheap cheap price and they're satisfied so nothing happens.

[Siefer999]

some computer store do sell the disk dupulicator....
all computer stores sell disc duplicators... even the ones in pmall

[ZenOps]

Bah, piracy is a tiny cottage industry in Canada. It would probably be a lot bigger if we didn't have such good and fast internet connections everywhere.

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=33945

Now in Argentina, where 60 percent or more of stuff sold is bootleg, thats an issue. Even got little girls selling it in the streets like lemonade (Betcha thought it was the guy selling)

[gman]

I heard a little bit more about this from Chinese radio an hour ago.

It said this is the biggest "manufacturer" in Canada. It is operated 24 hours a day with 3 shifts producing 565 disc per hour.

I think this raid is not the same as the previous one. The previous raid busted the retail. The supply can keep on coming. If the supply is cut, the price of the bootleg may be raised. ;)

The priated DVD business is not just affected the movie business. It can affect others too. In the radio phone in, a guy complained that these outfit messed up the store environment of PacMall. These outfit paid high price to rent the unit with the amount most people could not reject. He said, they pay $50K to sublet a unit. They pay $5000 per month to rent a 200 sqft unit. They pay 4 months up front. They don't need decoration. Most of them does not even operate in weekdays. They pick the best spot. They are more or less the dream tenants if you are the one who owns the unit. It is also good for the stores which are not doing good and planned to get out. However, it is bad for those who are there and those who want to rent an unit to do regular business. THe reason is the rental fee is jacked up significantly. A lot of store just can't afford to pay that rate to stay above red.

It also make the mall not attractive in weekday because there are a lot of empty store (will not be empty in weekend) and a lot of less regular store.

[masterhapposai]

ok lots of complaints, but what if they sold them at $1 a pop?

that seems a reasonable price

But, keep this in mind:

-A good pair of Levis could be $60
-A crappy pair of Biway jeans could be $40 and still sell well, eventhough it's 10% the quality of the Levis

The real criminals here are the ones charging us $20-40 PER DVD/Music CD. The RIAA/etc..

[Menace]

That is one of the reasons I have stop going to the Asian malls unless I have to go to their computer stores for something.

I heard a little bit more about this from Chinese radio an hour ago.

[d_jedi]

The real criminals here are the ones charging us $20-40 PER DVD/Music CD. The RIAA/etc..
That is absolute bull$hit. If you create the content, you can charge whatever you want for it. If you don't like the price of something, you can buy it or not buy it.. stealing (or "infringing copyright", if you want to get technical, even though the effect is exactly the same for the content creator..) is not an option.

[dealguy2]

The real criminals here are the ones charging us $20-40 PER DVD/Music CD. The RIAA/etc..

If you don't think that's a fair price then don't buy them. Same as any product. SUVs are pretty expensive (overpriced in fact) do you advocate the theft of them?

[d_jedi]

It said this is the biggest "manufacturer" in Canada.
That's an odd term to use. It almost makes them sound like a legitimate business.


It is operated 24 hours a day with 3 shifts producing 565 disc per hour.
With statuatory damages of $500/infringement (minimum), that's $6.78 million / day of operation that they'll be liable to pay. Hopefully these scumsucking leeches go down hard..

[PrimoTurbo]

Where do they get these bs numbers, $400,000 loss to movie industry? Yeah right. Not like people who buy ripped version would of bought the retail version...A huge amount of them would simply not buy anything.

20,000 DVD's taken all they do is times it by $20 and act as if that is the loss. Which it clearly isn't.

[Menace]

If the world is that simple and straight forward, yes I have to agree with you. As far as SUVs, that is a bad sample. If I don't like them, I can go rent one at my local Budget Rental....etc <= That is of course if I need one ;)

I just feel sick when I go to an Asian Mall, all I see is pirated shops almost every other shop. For Pete's sake, please please stop building any more those Asian Malls and f up the local traffics.

If you don't think that's a fair price then don't buy them. Same as any product. SUVs are pretty expensive (overpriced in fact) do you advocate the theft of them?

[SamInfinity]

If the world is that simple and straight forward, yes I have to agree with you. As far as SUVs, that is a bad sample. If I don't like them, I can go rent one at my local Budget Rental....etc <= That is of course if I need one ;)

I just feel sick when I go to an Asian Mall, all I see is pirated shops almost every other shop. For Pete's sake, please please stop building any more those Asian Malls and f up the local traffics.

umm...the analogy was actually good. SUV's and DVD's are both luxury goods, and I don't know if you realise this, but you can also rent movies from your local movie store, if you "need" to watch a movie. ;)

[YnD]

If people are complaining about asian malls then why are you even going to them???

That is absolute bull$hit. If you create the content, you can charge whatever you want for it. If you don't like the price of something, you can buy it or not buy it.. stealing (or "infringing copyright", if you want to get technical, even though the effect is exactly the same for the content creator..) is not an option

I'll say this again. You cant say what your saying. Yes selling them is illegal. But even when we download anything copyrighted we're also "stealing". We all do it and there's nothing wrong with it until you get caught.

[gman]

If people are complaining about asian malls then why are you even going to them???



I'll say this again. You cant say what your saying. Yes selling them is illegal. But even when we download anything copyrighted we're also "stealing". We all do it and there's nothing wrong with it until you get caught.

Who said the downloader is not stealing?
Who said there is nothing wrong with it?

The downloader just does not have the gut to say they are stealing. They just want to find all the excuse to justify their action but cannot just admit they are stealing.

I always say "a thief who knows he is stealing is smarter than those who steal but don't even know about it."

[Mehrtens]

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/141/ohnoesiy6.gif

[Flyer]

Cops go into Applegreens to buy burned PS2 games for their kids, occassionally in uniform.

[taro-chan]

Coming back recently from Hong Kong, I have to say Boo Hoo. It makes no difference. Someone will just come and take the place of the last.

It's like a weed. It'll just spread.

[gman]

Cops go into Applegreens to buy burned PS2 games for their kids, occassionally in uniform.

"a thief who knows he is stealing is smarter than those who steal but don't even know about it."

If they are caught in camera and be broadcasted in TV, do you think they will be in deep trouble?

[alv077]

Its shocking how so many of the girls that run the shops are so young...

In any case, pirate dvd shops need to get the hell out. They're making asian mall another way of saying "Pirate dvds here" and giving us a bad name.

[Ogata]

"a thief who knows he is stealing is smarter than those who steal but don't even know about it."

If they are caught in camera and be broadcasted in TV, do you think they will be in deep trouble?

Someone told me Applegreen was the only shop that was LICENSED to sell pirated games for some reason. Does he give like 5-10% profits to sony or something? He didn't tell me the reason.

[alv077]

Oh yea, not really related but if any of you guys been to First Markham lately, theres this store called "Italian Designer clothing whatever.." (obviously the previous store closed down) those dudes put alot of effort into their bootleg business they got racks and had the DVDs all shelved nicely, with retailish look'n covers lol :D

Italian fashion. And they have pretty nice asian porn in the back, fyi.

[Menace]

Really? I can make a backup of my rented SUV? So many genius (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genius) are running this beautiful world :)

umm...the analogy was actually good. SUV's and DVD's are both luxury goods, and I don't know if you realise this, but you can also rent movies from your local movie store, if you "need" to watch a movie. ;)

[nano]

some ppl sell copied DVD's some ppl sell Drugs and some ppl sell fake designer purses its all part of the "hustle" to make ends meet personally i could careless because i dont buy copied DVD's or any other fake stuff

[module]

Unreal the amount of people committing to bootlegging movies, shame on you!! :D

[bmwmini]

Unreal the amount of people committing to bootlegging movies, shame on you!! :D

You don't have a single mp3 on your pc? Nor have you viewed a single .avi movie in your life? I find that extremely hard to believe, especially since you're what, 14, 15 at most?

[Alvito]

You don't have a single mp3 on your pc? Nor have you viewed a single .avi movie in your life? I find that extremely hard to believe, especially since you're what, 14, 15 at most?

some avi files are legit, like homemade porn.

[module]

You don't have a single mp3 on your pc? Nor have you viewed a single .avi movie in your life? I find that extremely hard to believe, especially since you're what, 14, 15 at most?


Downloading mp3's for your own personal use in Canada is perfectly legal. Downloading movies for personal use is also legal.


BUYING is not....but what do I know, im what, 14, 15 at most?

[d_jedi]

You cant say what your saying.
Why not?

Yes selling them is illegal. But even when we download anything copyrighted we're also "stealing". We all do it
Speak for yourself.

and there's nothing wrong with it until you get caught.
Bull$hit. Since when is "if you're not caught it's OK" acceptable? If you kill someone, is that alright so long as you're not caught? Absurd.

[d_jedi]

Someone told me Applegreen was the only shop that was LICENSED to sell pirated games for some reason. Does he give like 5-10% profits to sony or something? He didn't tell me the reason.
That is absolute bull$hit. Licensed to sell pirated games? WTF? :confused:

[d_jedi]

Downloading mp3's for your own personal use in Canada is perfectly legal.
Correct.

Downloading movies for personal use is also legal.
Absolutely not!

[YnD]

Why not?


Speak for yourself.


Bull$hit. Since when is "if you're not caught it's OK" acceptable? If you kill someone, is that alright so long as you're not caught? Absurd.

We're referring to downloading mp3's/movies/games/applications. Its true, its alrite for all of us to do until you get your computer seized and your internet cut off. They cant get everyone because theres millions and millions of us that download.

[tinlunlau]

i don't think i've seen a video game store re-open ever since the last RCMP raid during the summer.

there is one that's still open but they've been selling legit PSP games only (and hiding themselves apparently after i asked them if they modify ps2's when they are modding one right in front of me).

[Yaowsers]

The guy that owns Green Apple has been in business for a while. He used to own Brighter Minds on Finch and Milliken many years ago. Great guy and very reliable.

[gman]

Downloading mp3's for your own personal use in Canada is perfectly legal. Downloading movies for personal use is also legal.


BUYING is not....but what do I know, im what, 14, 15 at most?

Downloading movies for personal use or not IS ILLEGAL according to Canadian Law. As I said, somebody can do something illegal without even knowing it.

[gman]

We're referring to downloading mp3's/movies/games/applications. Its true, its alrite for all of us to do until you get your computer seized and your internet cut off. They cant get everyone because theres millions and millions of us that download.

Sure, that also implies it is okay to Jay walk. It is okay to rolling stop before the stop sign. It is okay to throw garbage to the street. .......

All these will be okay until you are caught. They can't get everyone.

[poppa]

Downloading movies for personal use or not IS ILLEGAL according to Canadian Law. As I said, somebody can do something illegal without even knowing it.

That's a problem in Canada. People misinterpret that downloading mp3's is legal for personal use and apply it to other formats like movies and games.

[Yaowsers]

Saying downloading mp3s is not illegal is a very grey statement. We all know it's wrong but we find an excuse to make it legal. Yeah so one judge deemed it ok to download mp3s. Ask the writers of the song and they'll tell you that it's stealing. The bottom line is you're getting material that was written by someone else and you're suppose to pay for it. We all know it's illegal but we do it anyways.

[ZenOps]

The arrests in piracy are overdone though, considering there are other much larger (In $) frauds going on...

When was the last time you heard of a jeweller getting fined for squeezing oil into precious gems to mask imperfections, or misstating gold K quality?

A little bit harder to prove than DVD-copying.

I blame these quantity of arrests of DVD piracy on extremely lazy police officers who are not willing to take on bigger challenges. Heaven forbid any of these guys have to do a murder investigation or a billion dollar investment fraud one day...

Its like "I didn't meet my quota this month, lets go over and fine some DVD pirates"

[gman]

Saying downloading mp3s is not illegal is a very grey statement. We all know it's wrong but we find an excuse to make it legal. Yeah so one judge deemed it ok to download mp3s. Ask the writers of the song and they'll tell you that it's stealing. The bottom line is you're getting material that was written by someone else and you're suppose to pay for it. We all know it's illegal but we do it anyways.

Sorry, it is not the opinion of one judge saying that. It is the law saying that. Read the actual law. It is pretty black and white. Based on the actual law, one really needs to twist it to make it illegal. To fix it, the government should change the law.

By the way, it is legal only if you do that in the right steps. It is still illegal if you don't follow that.

[Yaowsers]

Sorry, it is not the opinion of one judge saying that. It is the law saying that. Read the actual law. It is pretty black and white. Based on the actual law, one really needs to twist it to make it illegal. To fix it, the government should change the law.

By the way, it is legal only if you do that in the right steps. It is still illegal if you don't follow that.That's pretty shady if it really is the law. It's like you writing a novel and instead of me buying the book I can go online download a version that someone scanned.

[gman]

That's pretty shady if it really is the law. It's like you writing a novel and instead of me buying the book I can go online download a version that someone scanned.

It is for music only as the law indicates. Not for book, not for movie, not for game, not for software or anything else.

http://lois.justice.gc.ca/en/C-42/230711.html#rid-230714

Copying for Private Use

Where no infringement of copyright


80. (1) Subject to subsection (2), the act of reproducing all or any substantial part of

(a) a musical work embodied in a sound recording,

(b) a performer’s performance of a musical work embodied in a sound recording, or

(c) a sound recording in which a musical work, or a performer’s performance of a musical work, is embodied

onto an audio recording medium for the private use of the person who makes the copy does not constitute an infringement of the copyright in the musical work, the performer’s performance or the sound recording.

Limitation


(2) Subsection (1) does not apply if the act described in that subsection is done for the purpose of doing any of the following in relation to any of the things referred to in paragraphs (1)(a) to (c):

(a) selling or renting out, or by way of trade exposing or offering for sale or rental;

(b) distributing, whether or not for the purpose of trade;

(c) communicating to the public by telecommunication; or

(d) performing, or causing to be performed, in public.

1997, c. 24, s. 50.

[Yaowsers]

It is for music only as the law indicates. Not for book, not for movie, not for game, not for software or anything else.Hmm....it would suck to be a musician then.

[d_jedi]

Saying downloading mp3s is not illegal is a very grey statement. We all know it's wrong but we find an excuse to make it legal. Yeah so one judge deemed it ok to download mp3s. Ask the writers of the song and they'll tell you that it's stealing. The bottom line is you're getting material that was written by someone else and you're suppose to pay for it. We all know it's illegal but we do it anyways.
Well, we are paying for it. We're paying for it with each and every cassette tape (does anyone still buy these nowadays?), CD-R, etc. that we buy.. because a levy goes to the recording industry to give us the right to copy music for personal use.

If it weren't for this levy - which the recording industry originally lobbied for (be careful what you wish for) - downloading music would be no different than any other form of media. But that's not the case.

[mingming]

When I goto asian malls, I dont even touch the western movies, because I know they are 90% all camera.

Unless you know the sales person working there and he/she will tell you. Usually, we go to this one place all the time so they recognize us, she would tell us which movies are camera, and which are dvd rip.

Again, we almost never buy the western movies, because they are crap. But the asian movies are most likely dvd rips, and they look nice.

Were they only busted for pirating western/hollywood movies? Because the cops dont give a crap about Chinese movies.

[gilboman]

When I goto asian malls, I dont even touch the western movies, because I know they are 90% all camera.

Unless you know the sales person working there and he/she will tell you. Usually, we go to this one place all the time so they recognize us, she would tell us which movies are camera, and which are dvd rip.

Again, we almost never buy the western movies, because they are crap. But the asian movies are most likely dvd rips, and they look nice.

Were they only busted for pirating western/hollywood movies? Because the cops dont give a crap about Chinese movies.

actually its very easy to know which western movies are cam or dvd rip and not 90% are all camera ;) if the movie is out on DVD it will be a rip..if its not, its a cam. quite a simple concept

[red_roses101]

actually its very easy to know which western movies are cam or dvd rip and not 90% are all camera ;) if the movie is out on DVD it will be a rip..if its not, its a cam. quite a simple concept
unless they're extremely cheap and still selling cam versions despite their being a dvd rip available. and i think that's likely.

[mingming]

actually its very easy to know which western movies are cam or dvd rip and not 90% are all camera ;) if the movie is out on DVD it will be a rip..if its not, its a cam. quite a simple concept

Well, they do have the occasional screeners.

[YnD]

Sure, that also implies it is okay to Jay walk. It is okay to rolling stop before the stop sign. It is okay to throw garbage to the street. .......

All these will be okay until you are caught. They can't get everyone.

Uhh yah. These are all public cases where everyone can notice. When we're all hiding behind our computers we can do anything. Be realistic dude.

[d_jedi]

When we're all hiding behind our computers we can do anything.
WTF? That's the dumbest thing I've heard today. Congratulations.

[YnD]

WTF? That's the dumbest thing I've heard today. Congratulations.

Dumbest? So you dont think its true. Tell me why its dumb and think about it first. Here let me educate you.

People can pretend their someone else??? Umm... there's like a ton of scams and fraud. Hackers. What else??? Old men preying on kids. Males using female nicknames. Yah I'm dumb. Everyone can see what others do when they're using their computers. I can see you right now....

Watch what you say. You sound more stupider then me. Do you have any common sense?

[gman]

Dumbest? So you dont think its true.
People can pretend their someone else??? Umm... there's like a ton of scams and fraud. Hackers. What else??? Old men preying on kids. Males using female nicknames. Yah I'm dumb. Everyone can see what others do when they're using their computers. I can see you right now....

Watch what you say. You sound more stupider then me.

Since you think it is true, he can do anything such as saying what he said, right? ;)

[YnD]

Since you think it is true, he can do anything, right?

Yah, anything that people have been doing with computers and internet for years. You prolly dont want me listing it all. You prolly know already.

[farooq7]

Isn't the fine 250 k for each pirated dvd, you know the FBI WARNING THAT says that at the beggining of the dvd. If they pirated 20000 DVD's that they found * 250 k wouldn't that be 5 Billion dollars. I think that should put them out of business for good.

[sixer]

Excellent. Next all those illegal sattelites and the users.
Off to Jail and up the arse for you!

[ProfessorChaos]

Isn't the fine 250 k for each pirated dvd, you know the FBI WARNING THAT says that at the beggining of the dvd. If they pirated 20000 DVD's that they found * 250 k wouldn't that be 5 Billion dollars. I think that should put them out of business for good.

except that the FBI is in the U.S. Any Region 1 DVD(or any with the FBI Warning) are for North America....so I guess the Americans just assume that Canada is also part of America....

[gilboman]

Isn't the fine 250 k for each pirated dvd, you know the FBI WARNING THAT says that at the beggining of the dvd. If they pirated 20000 DVD's that they found * 250 k wouldn't that be 5 Billion dollars. I think that should put them out of business for good.


bwhahaha...even if it was 5 billion... another person would just open shop.

[d_jedi]

Dumbest? So you dont think its true. Tell me why its dumb and think about it first. Here let me educate you.

People can pretend their someone else??? Umm... there's like a ton of scams and fraud. Hackers. What else??? Old men preying on kids. Males using female nicknames. Yah I'm dumb. Everyone can see what others do when they're using their computers. I can see you right now....
OK, you *can* do anything you want on computers - just like you can in the real world. But just like the real world, you must face the consequences for your actions in the virtual world.

Piracy online is just as illegal as piracy offline.. same with all scams, fraud, breaking and entering (ie. some forms of hacking), child pornography, etc.

[rajab04]

I don't get it, why would they announce the "announcement" ahead of time? What else is there to say in the actual announcement?

May be they want to protect the actual godfather.

[gman]

I don't get it, why would they announce the "announcement" ahead of time? What else is there to say in the actual announcement?

They already busted the joint.
They announced the "announcement" so that the reporters could come over while they were gathering the exact data of the bust such as name of suspects, number of dvd disc, etc.

[Ogata]

I was there today and the stores reopened...not surprisingly the Cantonese Movies were put out this time.

[gman]

I was there today and the stores reopened...not surprisingly the Cantonese Movies were put out this time.

Stores? I thought it was not the stores which were busted.

[Yaowsers]

I never noticed the pirated dvd stores until I read about them on RFD.

I see mostly jewelry, gold, food, clothing, florists, gift stores, tea shops, restaurants, porcelain and china, doctor/dentist, pharmacist, housewares, beauty salons, eyewear, etc.



I think that Applegreens has closed or moved to another address.When was this? I was at Market Village 2 weeks ago and it was still there.

[funkdoobi]

The guy that owns Green Apple has been in business for a while. He used to own Brighter Minds on Finch and Milliken many years ago. Great guy and very reliable.

And his brighter minds locations were raided twice about 12-13 years ago for selling pirated Snes, Genesis, Gameboy games.

[red_roses101]

Thanks.

How can I do this? I need to get this captured on my computer somehow. So I can save it as a mp3. I'll do it like next week. Doing it now when it's all over the news won't make sense.

Hype is over, let's do it.

[masterhapposai]

That is absolute bull$hit. If you create the content, you can charge whatever you want for it. If you don't like the price of something, you can buy it or not buy it.. stealing (or "infringing copyright", if you want to get technical, even though the effect is exactly the same for the content creator..) is not an option.

You're the one who's full of it dude. :lol: The creators don't charge what they want. The RIAA/record labels/publishers/etc.. pocket all the $ and the creators get nada.

They steal from the creators more than any Pac Mall shopper does.

Only recently are games selling online through private distribution methods, such as STEAM for Valve.

How much they pay you to pretend they're good guys.

[jonkaho]

do they sell bootleg music cassettes there?