bitten by Pit Bull, owner is low income criminal ,--i need help!!

[sdzbwxp]

Hi, I urgently need some advice on this:

Both my friend and his Husky was seriously bitten by a unlienced,Unleased and Un-muzzled Pit bull. The owner's girlfriend was right there, but she made no physical attempt to stop her dog from attacking. After we called the police, the dog was seized by SPCA, but was released the next day. The owner had never came by and appolized or offered any compensation whatsoever. Even after the incident, he still walk his dog unleashed and unmuzzled around the neighbour hood. This owner doesn't care even after two warnings by SPCA, and SPCA is not doing much in this matter. According to RCMP, the dog owner has criminal record. He is renting a suite, and the landlord is scared of him and relucant to help at all. Medical treatment of the injured Husky cost $400 already. We are planning to launch a lawsuit against him and/or the landlord, but don't know where to start.

More information:

The dog owner doesn't have tenant insurance.....doesn't look like he has much money

As far as we know, many house insurance would cover dog attack claims

Pit bull is classified as dangous breed and banned in ON and many other provinces.

We do have full support in the neighbour hood


I have the following questions:

1. Under which exact laws should we should sue the dog owner

2. Due to the fact that the pit-bull was unlicensed, under which laws should we sue to landlord for not knowing the owner possess

3. What compensation should we ask

4. What is the recommanded Procedure

any advice or recommandation would be greatly appreciated

Thank in advance

[Siefer999]

gangsters have money

sounds like hes a low-income violent criminal w/ a dog

if you are planning a law suit, you should really get a lawyer but then again you have to ask yourself what you really want out of it? Money? do you want them to put his dog down?

EDIT: if he is a gangster, he will have a high paid lawyer friend that will tear your lawyer apart. you need to find a better word to describe him with. in victoria/vancouver there are like no black people so your definition of gangster would not match up to the mainstream gangster definition that has taken over the traditional mobster type meaning. is he a mobster?

[sdzbwxp]

topic edited....I might consider a lawyer, but i don't know how much that would cost....thank for the advice though...

[Siefer999]

you say "doesn't look like he has much money"... what do you want from him?

[sdzbwxp]

you say "doesn't look like he has much money"... what do you want from him?

he is a threat to the community!! We want to give him a lesson, make him pay whatever he can....kick him out of the neighbour hood... We might be able to get some compensation from the landlord.....

[Siefer999]

he is a threat to the community!! We want to give him a lesson, make him pay whatever he can....kick him out of the neighbour hood... We might be able to get some compensation from the landlord.....
well if you all hate him so much, there is no justice like angry mob justice :) sorry, simpsons on my mind :lol:

i see why your mad at the pitbull owner but i see no reason (from the information given) to go after the landlord unless you know he's his friend. just because the landlord chooses to do nothing doesnt mean he has anything to do with it. you have to look at it from the landlords perspective. the tennent pays rent. you piss off the tennent, you are not going to get the payment, especially if the tennent feels threatened. not only that, but the landlord will potentially lose even more in damaged property. you said hes scared and thats just it. hes scared. can you blame him?

[Cruel_Angel]

it's terrible when people like the one you describe have pit bulls. I'm sure not all are violent, but people like these definitely use them for protection and don't raise them properly. Especially after 2 attacks and they still ignore the law and have the dog unmuzzled. I say it's unfortunate to have to do this to the dog and have it put down, rather than putting rubbish people like it's owner down instead.

[Big Brother]

Dont forget to sue the SPCA for only warning dude twice rather than taking some real action.

[mau108]

did you talk to the police? Being bit by a dog isnt a small thing now, its quite big and was in the new several times.

I'm pretty sure if the police were involved they would do something about the situation.

[SkiLLz]

Your questions are MUCH better suited for a lawyer rather than RFD.

[CanadaBoy]

Which gang is this guy a member of :confused:

[Yukikaze]

Pretty much your case is a for sure win. Looks like you need a lawyer to do just that.

[MrWizard]

My cousin has a pitbull, he doesn't keep her muzzled, but she is the nicest dog you will ever meet. He has had to call the authorities before because HIS dog was being attacked by a smaller dog. Whenever a cop asks him if that's a pit bull, he just lies and tells them she's a different breed (that happens to look like a pitbull)

[najibs]

Just the fact that he walks a pit bull unleashed is enough of a threat. Not to mention it's already attacked another dog. I would record him walking his dog unleashed with a video camera, to have as evidence.

Dogs like this should never be walked without a leash. SOunds like an irresponsible dog owner who doesn't deserve to have a dog like that. The dog should be taken away.

[Happy13178]

Threaten to sue the SPCA...what if the dog had hurt a kid or something? If its attacked another dog or a person it should be destroyed, and the owner should be charged with something....criminal negligence causing bodily harm or what not.

If it doesn't work, take matters into your own hands. I don't have to go into detail for you to think of something.

[kingfencer]

what a loser, no money, yet he can raise a dog, and have a girlfriend? i say sue him till he is poor like a hobo and girlfriend leaves him, and dog starvs to death, putting the dog down would be too easy for him, make him suffer long term.

[Codegen]

While I'll agree, not all pitbulls are bad (My grandmother had one and it was the friendliest thing you could come across, you just had to watch out for the tail :lol:)

My mom's friend had a pitbull, friendliest thing you could ever come across, then one day she came home to her cat (Or what was left of it) in a puddle of blood.

[najibs]

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If it doesn't work, take matters into your own hands. I don't have to go into detail for you to think of something.

Are you suggesting he goes over to comfront and attack a criminal with a dangerous pitbull ready to defend his master? Yeah, that's a smart move!

[Handa]

While I'll agree, not all pitbulls are bad (My grandmother had one and it was the friendliest thing you could come across, you just had to watch out for the tail :lol:)

My mom's friend had a pitbull, friendliest thing you could ever come across, then one day she came home to her cat (Or what was left of it) in a puddle of blood.

That's seriously f'd up... who would want this kind of dog? What do they do to warrant being alive?

After reading these posts and the OP's story, I think people who own that kind of dog and are keeping it unleashed should be put down along with their dog; because, let's face it the dog isn't going to change and who the heck wants that thing alive? Not me, thats for one.

Animal activists you can flame and blame the dog's owner all you want, but the dog attacked someone so he must go. Humans > Dogs >:(

[najibs]

I think people who own that kind of dog and are keeping it unleashed should be put down along with their dog

Not the smartest thing I've seen you write!

[Handa]

Not the smartest thing I've seen you write!

Well, it's how I feel. I am very against violent domesticated animals... I just think of this story I heard a few years ago about a small child and a pitbull. The kid was 3, he didn't die but he was seriously injured. The dog was put down and I just think... is that enough punishment to the owner? Well, I guess we should all be glad I'm not running things.

[MrWizard]

what a loser, no money, yet he can raise a dog, and have a girlfriend? i say sue him till he is poor like a hobo and girlfriend leaves him, and dog starvs to death, putting the dog down would be too easy for him, make him suffer long term.

Dogs are a product of their environment, if they are going to be vicious, it's because they were raised that way, and they don't know any better. I'm not saying the dog shouldn't be put down, but saying it should suffer is ridiculous.


That's seriously f'd up... who would want this kind of dog? What do they do to warrant being alive?



Some humans commit disgusting crimes, does that mean NO humans should be allowed to live?

[kingfencer]

on a more serious note, i got a beef with dog owners not leashing thier dogs and muzzling some. when i was 12, some stupid owner got out powered by his bull, and he ran half a block to chase me, lucky he didn't bite me. Ontario law would be more severe, you live in BC, so i don't know.

[najibs]

Dogs are a product of their environment, if they are going to be vicious, it's because they were raised that way, and they don't know any better.

To a certain extent, but dogs like a pitbull are like time bombs waiting to explode. It's in their genes and blood to be violent.

It's like having a tiger as a pet. Sure, you can domesticate it to a certain point and have it for 10 year without a problem, but next thing you know you're dead meat (literally). Just ask sigfried and roy.

A toy poodle can attack also, but considering it's size, and fighting ability it wont do much damage. When a pitbull goes mad and decides to attack, even after being friendly for all its life, someone will pay the price...it's a dangerous animal, which I why I am in favour of the pitbull ban...no matter how well you raise these animals, the day they decide to attack, someone will pay the price. Just look at Codegen's example. One of MANY!

[UrbanPoet]

To a certain extent, but dogs like a pitbull are like time bombs waiting to explode. It's in their genes and blood to be violent.

It's like having a tiger as a pet. Sure, you can domesticate it to a certain point and have it for 10 year without a problem, but next thing you know you're dead meat (literally). Just ask sigfried and roy.

A toy poodle can attack also, but considering it's size, and fighting ability it wont do much damage. When a pitbull goes mad and decides to attack, even after being friendly for all its life, someone will pay the price...it's a dangerous animal, which I why I am in favour of the pitbull ban...no matter how well you raise these animals, the day they decide to attack, someone will pay the price. Just look at Codegen's example. One of MANY!

you must have had a bad expirience with a dog growing up.
All dogs (even if some are more violent then others) can be trained to have good temperment.

[najibs]

All dogs (even if some are more violent then others) can be trained to have good temperment.

You can do the same with a tiger. So why aren't we allowed to have tigers as pets? Why don't we see people walking their muzzled tiger or lion down the street?

[MrWizard]

You can do the same with a tiger. So why aren't we allowed to have tigers as pets? Why don't we see people walking their muzzled tiger or lion down the street?

Well, a dog can live fine in a house. Dogs are born and raised to be domesticated animals. Tigers and Lions need massive amounts of space, a different kind of habitat, and large amounts of food. Many people don't have the time, space or money for that kind of thing.

I think the ban is ridiculous because it's based on what SOME pit bulls do. SOME humans commit crimes, does that mean we should be "muzzled" and put on a leash?

[najibs]

I think the ban is ridiculous because it's based on what SOME pit bulls do. SOME humans commit crimes, does that mean we should be "muzzled" and put on a leash?

Pitbulls are dangerous animals when they snap. Even well domesticalted ones have been known to snap all of a sudden and attack. People who've had a pitbull for 3 or 4 years and have raised it well all of a sudden have their animal bite their child.

Why take a chance? Ban the breed, and you'll minimize the chances.

And for those arguing "well any dog can snap and bite all of a sudden." Yes, you're right, but Pitbulls are muscular and when they bite they lock their jaws and don't let go. If a toy poodle bit someone, they could easuly defend themselves. I remember the police a few years ago in toronto had to shoot a pitbull 6 or 7 times before it let go of the person it was attacking.

[MrWizard]

Pitbulls are dangerous animals when they snap. Even well domesticalted ones have been known to snap all of a sudden and attack. People who've had a pitbull for 3 or 4 years and have raised it well all of a sudden have their animal bite their child.

Why take a chance? Ban the breed, and you'll minimize the chances.

And for those arguing "well any dog can snap and bite all of a sudden." Yes, you're right, but Pitbulls are muscular and when they bite they lock their jaws and don't let go. If a toy poodle bit someone, they could easuly defend themselves. I remember the police a few years ago in toronto had to shoot a pitbull 6 or 7 times before it let go of the person it was attacking.

Humans aren't dangerous when they snap? Even people who seem normal could snap at any moment. People with kids can become child rapists.

Why take a chance? Ban humans, and you'll minimize the chances...

[UrbanPoet]

You can do the same with a tiger. So why aren't we allowed to have tigers as pets? Why don't we see people walking their muzzled tiger or lion down the street?

lions and tigers dont have thousand of years of domestication like dogs....

[will1087]

However, because of their physical attributes and the social stigmatization surrounding them, the pit bull seems to be a popular choice among unsavoury owners. Those who primarily want an animal to fight or to intimidate do not properly train or socialize their dogs and are partly responsible for the negative stereotype of the "pit bull" in today’s society.

lol

[najibs]

Humans aren't dangerous when they snap? Even people who seem normal could snap at any moment. People with kids can become child rapists.

Why take a chance? Ban humans, and you'll minimize the chances...

Dogs are not the same as humans. Banning a breed of dog doesn't harm anybody.

[UrbanPoet]

Dogs are not the same as humans. Banning a breed of dog doesn't harm anybody.

if they bann pitbulls. what will the bann next... cars that go over 100kmph? b/c that is the max speed limit of most highways. After all... Cars kill 500% more people then pitbulls do.
Bann the unauthrourized use of Ladders? they kill more people then Pitbulls... Maybe we should only allow ladders to be used under the supervision of a government agent since so many people die from it.

regulations are always in place. Thats fine, they should just be enforced and thats all.

[Codegen]

I think any dog that was bred for fighting you'd have to be careful of.

Our Chow mix at the ripe old age of 13 is starting go a little whacko and we may have to put her down soon. It's not so bad if she bites us, we can fight back if need be, but we own a small dog (Boston terrier/pug mix) and 2 cats. They won't be as lucky if she decides to attack.

[CSK'sMom]

All dogs (even if some are more violent then others) can be trained to have good temperment.

No dog can be trained to have a good temperment, they either have one or they don't. Behaviour is something that can be trained, but only to a ceretain extent. There are certain behaviours that are inherant to certain breeds that can only be controlled, they cannot be eliminated. Take for instance a Jack Russell Terrier. Part of their inherant behaviour is that of a hunter who chases fox, rabbit, etc into their burrow and kill. It's something that is in their genes and can only be controlled, not eliminated. That is why it is always suggested to limit a JRT's contact with things like cats, gerbils, hamsters and other things that can be seen as prey. A JRT can be raised with a cat from day one and 5 years down the road the owner will come home to a dead cat. The behaviour cannot be eliminated....A pitbull is absolutely no different. Inherant behaviour cannot be eliminated, only controlled. The problem that I see with pits is that more often than not, the behaviour cannot even be controlled. I am personally sick of hearing owners excuses that it was so sweet and they don't know what happened....

[hagbard]

Which neighborhood is this guy in? Let me guess, Esquimalt. Wish we were allowed to shot these dogs on the spot, and the owners too if they got in your face.

[UrbanPoet]

No dog can be trained to have a good temperment, they either have one or they don't. Behaviour is something that can be trained, but only to a ceretain extent. There are certain behaviours that are inherant to certain breeds that can only be controlled, they cannot be eliminated. Take for instance a Jack Russell Terrier. Part of their inherant behaviour is that of a hunter who chases fox, rabbit, etc into their burrow and kill. It's something that is in their genes and can only be controlled, not eliminated. That is why it is always suggested to limit a JRT's contact with things like cats, gerbils, hamsters and other things that can be seen as prey. A JRT can be raised with a cat from day one and 5 years down the road the owner will come home to a dead cat. The behaviour cannot be eliminated....A pitbull is absolutely no different. Inherant behaviour cannot be eliminated, only controlled. The problem that I see with pits is that more often than not, the behaviour cannot even be controlled. I am personally sick of hearing owners excuses that it was so sweet and they don't know what happened....

okay.. my wording is off... Then yeh... that good behaviour stuff. =))

[eelfliw]

Before looking up lawyers, which will probably cost you more than the Husky vet bill, consider small claims court if the total vet bill is not too much.

As for what you can do... well, not much. You may be able to get the media to notice and write a story about the dangers of pitbull. Or you can talk to your city councillor to get some help. Or you may nab the pitbull one day and cook it for dinner. But if the police and SPCA don't do anything, you're out of luck.

[sdzbwxp]

Thank you for all your advice. The number one purpose is to eliminate the thread from the neighbour hood, so people can walk around feeling safe again. One neighbour was walking his dog (a small little dog) unleashed one day and confronted the pit bull owner walking his pitbull unleashed. All in a sudden, the pit bull guy started swearing "why the Fcuk you don't leash your dog? My dog won't be so friendly....." So, you can tell that the owner is a complete As*hole.

some of you suggest to sue SPCA....i would look into it...if you have more suggestion, please post..



By law, the landlord is liable for letting a unlicenced dog to live on this property. After the incident, the landlord didn't even try to communicate with the renter to be careful.... Just two days ago, another neighbour saw him walking his dog without leash. He tried to warn him (through his window), but all he got was swear and finger......

[m77m7]

I never knew the police in BC were this lax on dog bites. In Ontario, that dog would've been put down by now.

[sdzbwxp]

I never knew the police in BC were this lax on dog bites. In Ontario, that dog would've been put down by now.

RCMP wont do anything as they claim that the pit bull's target was the Husky, despite the fact that my friend's leg was seriously injured. What if a 3 - 4 year old kid was attacked...... :mad:

[Blunt]

Yeah, if it was in Ontario, that pitbull would have been dead already. Can't you file assault charges with the police?

[swiftfox]

Though I am a dog lover, I strongly appose UrbanPoet.
There's an old story I remember poorly but will do my best not to bastardize:

A frog and a scorpion are caught at a riverbank during a flood. The scorpion says to the frog "I'm going to die, because I can't swim across to the other bank". So the frog says "If you promise not to sting me, I'll carry you to the other side", to which the scorpion agrees. Half way across the river, the scorpion stings the frog. As he's dying (and subsequently so is the scorpion), the frog asks "Why did you sting me? Now we will both die?".

And the scorpion replies with "I can't help it. Its my nature."

The point is, pitbulls were bred to be agressive and fight. Look at their name. PIT...BULL. At the end of the day, nature will dominate over nurture, and the dog will likely be agressive.

Now, I've owned both a boxer and a rotti, and both dogs were amazingly well tempered. However, neither of these dogs has near the notoriety of a pitbull, and I believe that the nurturing our dogs got compensated for the original use for the dogs. I would not trust a pitbull, even with the best handling, to a temperment like my dogs.

[Anessa]

Leave dark chocolate lying around for the dog to munch on. That's silent justice for you.

[YnD]

That owner has no job therefore he prolly starves his dog or feeds it shiat.

[sdzbwxp]

Leave dark chocolate lying around for the dog to munch on. That's silent justice for you.


What if other dog ate the chocolate? It will take a lot of chocolate to poison a dog that size....

[UrbanPoet]

What if other dog ate the chocolate? It will take a lot of chocolate to poison a dog that size....

it might also backfire... the evil pit bull might eat the chocolate and want more. Then itll kill children for more chocolate.
they are unstopable!
*hides*

[PQpine413]

you should snipe his dog. the dog is dangerous to everyone

[riskit]

Call back the RCMP and make a criminal complaint against the owners girlfriend for assault (bite to the leg) with a weapon (the pit bull) If the officer refuses to file the the report tell him that your lawyer need his name and badge number as well as his supervisors so he can notify the crown persecutor office.


or sue the girlfriend since she had care and control of the Dog.

[YnD]

Call back the RCMP and make a criminal complaint against the owners girlfriend for assault with a weapon (the pit bull). or sue the girlfriend since she had care and control of the Dog.

You know how much litigation costs right?
If he has the money then sure.

[Mehrtens]

Hi, I urgently need some advice on this:

Both my friend and his Husky was seriously bitten by a unlienced,Unleased and Un-muzzled Pit bull. The owner's girlfriend was right there, but she made no physical attempt to stop her dog from attacking. After we called the police, the dog was seized by SPCA, but was released the next day. The owner had never came by and appolized or offered any compensation whatsoever. Even after the incident, he still walk his dog unleashed and unmuzzled around the neighbour hood. This owner doesn't care even after two warnings by SPCA, and SPCA is not doing much in this matter. For you information, i would classify this owner as gangster (he has criminal record). He is renting a suite, and the landlord is scared of him and relucant to help at all. Medical treatment of the injured Husky cost $400 already. We are planning to launch a lawsuit against him and/or the landlord, but don't know where to start.

More information:

The dog owner doesn't have tenant insurance.....doesn't look like he has much money

As far as we know, many house insurance would cover dog attack claims

Pit bull is classified as dangous breed and banned in ON and many other provinces.

We do have full support in the neighbour hood


I have the following questions:

1. Under which exact laws should we should sue the dog owner

2. Due to the fact that the pit-bull was unlicensed, under which laws should we sue to landlord for not knowing the owner possess

3. What compensation should we ask

4. What is the recommanded Procedure

any advice or recommandation would be greatly appreciated

Thank in advance

I for one, want to hear the dog's side of the story so I can get a fair view of the situation. :razz:

[Happy13178]

Are you suggesting he goes over to comfront and attack a criminal with a dangerous pitbull ready to defend his master? Yeah, that's a smart move!

I'm suggesting he kill the dog.

[Becks]

Call or visit the community policing office and ask them for advice. File a report to police, too, for the previous incident. Carry pepper spray for your protection. Videotape the dog walking around unleashed. Take photos of your dog and your injuries. Keep the vet bill receipt. Go to small claims court to get your vet bill repaid. As for kicking the person out of the neighbourhood, I don't know how you can do that.

[Drthorne]

hire a hitdog or put out a dish of antifreeze

[milhaus]

Dogs are not the same as humans.
That's true. Dogs are much more predictable and less dangerous.

You have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to pit bulls - have you even known one? For example, take the fact that the Staffordshire Terrier - one of those banned in Ontario - is termed "the nanny dog" in England for its reputation of being excellent with young children. Must be all the rage and unpredictability that gives it that reuptation.

Ban the owners, not the dogs; get a real licensing system that requires responisble owners of _all_ breeds, not just select ones, to behave responsibly. Policymakers should look up what breeds are responsible for 1) the most biting incidents 2) the worst injuries, rather than focus on a few specific sensationalized cases to create policy.

[Sparkx]

Get the media involved!
Tell them all that you been throught, and how scared you are for yourself, and those around you.

You know how the media is. They'll wake people up, and I bet City Hall gets involved, who will then force SPCA and the police to do something.
Those are your best options, and won't cost you a dime.

By doing so, you are possibly saving the life of another human being, possibly a child, and if you DO NOT act, you will regret it for the rest of your life.

Please do something, for the sake of the dog's next victims.

[sdzbwxp]

Thank you for all your input. I was talking to a friend about this, and was advised not to fool around with the dog owner. Her ground is this: Someone with criminal record feed and train that progressive pitbull for a purpose. She think he is hiding something illeagle in his house. Plus, those people don't care and their mind is messed up. They can make your life miserable.... what do you guys think....?

[Nemodigital]

Thank you for all your input. I was talking to a friend about this, and was advised not to fool around with the dog owner. Her ground is this: Someone with criminal record feed and train that progressive pitbull for a purpose. She think he is hiding something illeagle in his house. Plus, those people don't care and their mind is messed up. They can make your life miserable.... what do you guys think....?
I vote dish of anti-freeze mixed with cool aid and your troubles are done.

[Sparkx]

Do not personally involved with the dog's owner. Do what i suggested above, and move if you can. Or stay away.

Don't be a wuss, do something! And I say that nicely.

[kuba]

I'm surprised the SPCA doesn't do anything about it, hmmm, really odd.

[kuba]

You didn't hear this from me, but brake fluid on a car (paint), plus rain (aka - water) = bad bad combination. :D

[Thai]

Hi, I urgently need some advice on this:

Both my friend and his Husky was seriously bitten by a unlienced,Unleased and Un-muzzled Pit bull.
Pitbulls aren't banned in BC are they? I'm guessing not, otherwise he wouldn't get only warnings. And also, if not, he has no requirements to have his dog muzzled. And where did this happen? A park? A leash-free park? And if it was licensed, would that have prevented the confrontation? Do they only license dogs that won't bite?

The owner's girlfriend was right there, but she made no physical attempt to stop her dog from attacking.
I'm going to assume that she's an average woman of say, 120-150 lbs.... she wouldn't physically be able to. And she's probably just as intimidated as to why you didn't either.

After we called the police, the dog was seized by SPCA, but was released the next day. The owner had never came by and appolized or offered any compensation whatsoever. Even after the incident, he still walk his dog unleashed and unmuzzled around the neighbour hood. This owner doesn't care even after two warnings by SPCA, and SPCA is not doing much in this matter.
There'd be a reason why the SPCA let him go. Go ask them before making any assumtions. Maybe he got a big fat fine.


For you information, i would classify this owner as gangster (he has criminal record). He is renting a suite, and the landlord is scared of him and relucant to help at all.
This one is really ignorant.

According to your quote, that makes Mel Gibson, Leonardo DiCaprio, etc... gangstas too (they have criminal records).

And how do you know he has a criminal record?


Medical treatment of the injured Husky cost $400 already. We are planning to launch a lawsuit against him and/or the landlord, but don't know where to start.

More information:

The dog owner doesn't have tenant insurance.....doesn't look like he has much money

As far as we know, many house insurance would cover dog attack claims

Pit bull is classified as dangous breed and banned in ON and many other provinces.

We do have full support in the neighbour hood

I have the following questions:

1. Under which exact laws should we should sue the dog owner

2. Due to the fact that the pit-bull was unlicensed, under which laws should we sue to landlord for not knowing the owner possess

3. What compensation should we ask

4. What is the recommanded Procedure

any advice or recommandation would be greatly appreciated

Thank in advance

Best bet is to ask the police on what they recommend you do. Most likely a small claims court. But from the sounds of it, I bet there's a lot missing from this story. Something just doesn't add up.

And to those suggesting she poison his dog: F**K YOU.

[Sparkx]

This one is really ignorant.
And to those suggesting she poison his dog: F**K YOU.

I agree. How stupid can you be to even suggest this. That would bring you to the same level as a criminal, and would end up the next HOT topic on RFD.

[cyberknight]

wasn't a child killed by a dog not too long ago on a reserve in BC?

[Sparkx]

In the last 2 years, at least 450000 people have been bitten by dogs, (most of those by their family pet, and unreported to Police)
5 kids mauled, 3 have died, after being attacked by pitbulls, or cross breeds, in canada.
In Febuary 2005, in BC, 2 kids, and 4 adults were mauled by 3 pitbulls that belonged to the same person.

And in 2006, another toddler child died, in BC.

[Nemodigital]

I agree. How stupid can you be to even suggest this. That would bring you to the same level as a criminal, and would end up the next HOT topic on RFD.
I don't see it as stupid at all if you fear for your safety and the SPCA won't do a thing. Obviously try legal avenues first but I see it on the same level as letting the air out of a drunk driver's car.

[kuba]

A toy poodle can attack also, but considering it's size, and fighting ability it wont do much damage. When a pitbull goes mad and decides to attack, even after being friendly for all its life, someone will pay the price...it's a dangerous animal, which I why I am in favour of the pitbull ban...no matter how well you raise these animals, the day they decide to attack, someone will pay the price. Just look at Codegen's example. One of MANY!

Finally, someone that agrees (and I agree with).
These dogs are innate in that, they have it in their blood to kill.
A guy across the street has one, but he keeps him leashed, and sometimes muzzled. They're pretty f'in dangerous dogs.
Cesar Millan, one of the BEST dog trainers in the world, couldn't save 3 "red zone" (as he calls them) pitbulls.
They're tough guys, with bad ass attitudes.
Same with these breeds. Presa Canario's. (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,209479,00.html)
A few years ago, 2 of them attacked a pregnant woman leaving her apartment, while the owner (some *****, who was warned along with her bf, about them). Needless to say, the woman died.

I like my cuddly mixed mutt I picked up at the pound.
Walk off leash with no issue, unless people can't touch dogs for religious reasons and have a genuine fear, then I call her back, otherwise, it's all good.
These dogs(pits, mastiffs, presa's), aren't the cuddly type, fun, "family dog" type. They're image dogs, for guys who lack balls, ball size and confidence.

[Sparkx]

I don't see it as stupid at all if you fear for your safety and the SPCA won't do a thing. Obviously try legal avenues first but I see it on the same level as letting the air out of a drunk driver's car.


If you fear for your safety, you should NEVER poison, or destroy someelse's property. YOU risk being charged. if you are being attacked, and defend yourself, and somehow end up killing the animal, that's another story. But you do not poison it, or kill it.

You let others with experience help you. Legal help, or even better contact the media.They will raise a stink about it. Mayor will get a whiff of the story, and he will be on the back of the SPCA and the Police to take care of it. OR contact your MLA.

[Happy13178]

Best bet is to ask the police on what they recommend you do. Most likely a small claims court. But from the sounds of it, I bet there's a lot missing from this story. Something just doesn't add up.

And to those suggesting she poison his dog: F**K YOU.

If my dog was attacked by an unleashed unmuzzled pitbull, and the owner didn't do anything about it, and the spca let it go, I'd kill it outright and I wouldn't lose a wink of sleep over it. I could care less if I get charged. Far as I'm concerned, the real criminals are the idiots that let the dogs out like that in the first place. If it was my dog that did the attacking, its gone too.

[ramoose]

Hi, I urgently need some advice on this:

Both my friend and his Husky was seriously bitten by a unlienced,Unleased and Un-muzzled Pit bull. The owner's girlfriend was right there, but she made no physical attempt to stop her dog from attacking. After we called the police, the dog was seized by SPCA, but was released the next day. The owner had never came by and appolized or offered any compensation whatsoever. Even after the incident, he still walk his dog unleashed and unmuzzled around the neighbour hood. This owner doesn't care even after two warnings by SPCA, and SPCA is not doing much in this matter. For you information, i would classify this owner as gangster (he has criminal record). He is renting a suite, and the landlord is scared of him and relucant to help at all. Medical treatment of the injured Husky cost $400 already. We are planning to launch a lawsuit against him and/or the landlord, but don't know where to start.

More information:

The dog owner doesn't have tenant insurance.....doesn't look like he has much money

As far as we know, many house insurance would cover dog attack claims

Pit bull is classified as dangous breed and banned in ON and many other provinces.

We do have full support in the neighbour hood


I have the following questions:

1. Under which exact laws should we should sue the dog owner

2. Due to the fact that the pit-bull was unlicensed, under which laws should we sue to landlord for not knowing the owner possess

3. What compensation should we ask

4. What is the recommanded Procedure

any advice or recommandation would be greatly appreciated

Thank in advance

A friend of mine is a lettercarrier and he says as soon as a mailman is bitten. lawyers line up for the business. there is even a lawyer in town who was attacked by a dog and has said he would take any cases. mind you most of these cases are homeowners. The size of the settlement is dependant on the actual bite but they start around $10,000 minus trhe lawyers fees. Insurance companies are starting to take a look at people with dogs and putting a clause in their policy whether or not you have a dog and you must declare it. your problem could be if they have no money what will you get? probably nothing and he will get legal aid to fight it. As for the landlord I don't think he can be held liable as he justs rents to the tenant what the tenant does in his space is of no concern to the landlord. Did you call animal services and have the attack reported because some municipalities have it the animal is allowed 1 recorded bite another and they will proceed to have it put away as a vicious animal. hope this helps somewhat

[hagbard]

I'd really like to know what neighborhood this mutt is in so I can avoid it.

[kuba]

If my dog was attacked by an unleashed unmuzzled pitbull, and the owner didn't do anything about it, and the spca let it go, I'd kill it outright and I wouldn't lose a wink of sleep over it. I could care less if I get charged. Far as I'm concerned, the real criminals are the idiots that let the dogs out like that in the first place. If it was my dog that did the attacking, its gone too.

Agreed 100%

[Piccolo]

A neighbourhood kid was teasing this dog like crazy
--on the property of the owner while the dog was tied up--
The dog finally got fed up with it and when the kid came a little too close to poke the stick, it niped the kid.

Kid's mom was a cop and forced the owners to put the dog down because it was a danger. Every kid in the neighbour hood boycotted this kids house and never let her play with them (baseball, hockey, football etc) because of what she caused. I sortof feel bad now after all the anger she got from everyone (this dog was a well liked dog in the neighbourhood. She had to have been teasing it ALOT to get nipped).

If that can happen. SOMETHING CAN BE DONE about a pitbull attacking animals and people.

[Anessa]

If my dog was attacked by an unleashed unmuzzled pitbull, and the owner didn't do anything about it, and the spca let it go, I'd kill it outright and I wouldn't lose a wink of sleep over it. I could care less if I get charged. Far as I'm concerned, the real criminals are the idiots that let the dogs out like that in the first place. If it was my dog that did the attacking, its gone too.

It should be in the Constitution :cheesygri

[hagbard]

It should be in the Constitution :cheesygri

:arrowu:

[cyberknight]

remembers guys, the one thing you are not allowed to do in Canada is defend yourself.

[Hubster]

A neighbourhood kid was teasing this dog like crazy
--on the property of the owner while the dog was tied up--
The dog finally got fed up with it and when the kid came a little too close to poke the stick, it niped the kid.

Kid's mom was a cop and forced the owners to put the dog down because it was a danger. Every kid in the neighbour hood boycotted this kids house and never let her play with them (baseball, hockey, football etc) because of what she caused. I sortof feel bad now after all the anger she got from everyone (this dog was a well liked dog in the neighbourhood. She had to have been teasing it ALOT to get nipped).

If that can happen. SOMETHING CAN BE DONE about a pitbull attacking animals and people.


We have had a rather small (less than 20 lbs.) miniature collie/terrier mix for a number of years. Most perfect family dog I could imagine. He is extremely well loved and has a blast playing with mine and all the neighbourhood children.

My 9 year old nephew was constantly teasing, provoking him and getting in his face while the dog was eating and sleeping. Obviously the boy was also not listening to our repeated warnings - unfortunately our dog bit him in the face. Scared the living bejesus out of all of us and thank god, he is ok and will not require facial surgery. He did require a hospital visit for some stitches. I can guarantee you that he has a new respect for all animals.

We were contacted by the SPCA later that same day and our dog had to go under "house arrest" for ten days. We received a visit from them the very next day so the dog could be "observed" and physically checked over. In that ten days we weren't even allowed to take him for his walks. My nephew was also forbidden to visit during this time and he typically spends all Summer days at our home. We also had to prove that the dog's rabies shots were up to date and that he had never bitten before. His name has now also gone into some "dogs that bite" registry, so they informed us.

As much as I love this dog, I had to be talked out of putting him down. The SPCA assured me that it was more than likely a one time occurance, and the animal had simply had enough and was defending itself. Nonetheless it breaks my heart to this day to see the probably permanent small scar on my nephew's cheek, and no doubt will for the rest of my life.


My point is: I can't speak for your locale - but in Ontario any and all dog bites are taken extremley serious. If we had refused any of the above the dog would have been put down, regardless of our feelings and his perfect history. If he ever bites again - he is put down, no choice.

Finding it very hard to fathom that nothing has been done "legally" to this point to stop any future occurances. As mentioned in previous posts, try the police, SPCA, MP's - whomever again and again - to get them to listen and react. In the interim I would also hound the media relentlessly and let them know that your local enforcement officers are NOT protecting the public:!: :confused: :confused:

[Codegen]

I wish some people around here would tie their dog(s) up...

There's been one or two dogs that continuously come into our yard (and tore our neighbor's pool to ratshit). They seem to have some pitbull in them, too, which kind of worries me a bit. They seem pretty friendly (You try and get them to go away, and they come even closer with wagging tales). However, our Chow mix isn't quite the same, and if she got in a fight at her age (13), I don't think she'd be the winner.

[almostfreeman]

So you think someone who ignores SPCA warnings is going to abide by a court ruling IF you were to get a successful judgement against him? Good luck.

[Anessa]

I think the low life would probably either a) disappear or b) make your life a living hell. I agree with cyberknight. I mean, relatively speaking there's very little justice in Canadian society.

[eliza]

I’m sorry to hear about your friend and dog. I wish everyone would follow leash laws.

I have some questions about the incident:

1) How do you know it was a pit bull?

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html


2) Were both the dogs off leash?

3) Where did this happen? Dog park?

4) How did the incident start? When 2 dogs met? Was it a dog fight and they were both involved? How did you friend become involved?

5) Is the purpose to get money out of people or to solve the situation and get someone to be a more responsible dog owner?

I would approach the man and request he say share the vet bill. Send a letter if you like.

With regards to lock jaws and time bombs: Urban Legends. How does a dog eat once he locks his jaw? If you have some proof , I would love to see it!

For an overview of some others myths read:
http:////www.ontla.on.ca/hansard/committee_debates/38_parl/session1/legassembly/M010.htm#P1136_306534

Liz

[Happy13178]

Its true that any dog can go bad and attack people if mistreated or mistrained. The difference between your average toy poodle going nuts and a pitbull, is that the pitbull is so much more powerful than some other dogs. If your three year old gets attacked by a shitzu, he/she will get some scratches, and need a little ice cream to calm down....at worst end up with a minor phobia of dogs. If it gets attacked by a pitbull, if the kid lives at all he's not getting away with a few scratches...neither would a full grown human. Dogs you can kick aside, no problem. Dogs that will catch your leg in mid-kick and rip it off, mayday.

Its not necessarily fair to single out pitbulls, since there's a lot of "attack dogs" that shouldn't be out without a muzzle either....some rottweilers, dobermans, etc. If ANY of them attack, they need to be destroyed. The idiot dog owners who defend their animals over the rights of other human beings, after their dog has attacked someone else, should probably be put down alongside their animals, because they clearly don't have the mental capacity to be let out in public either.

[eliza]

Its true that any dog can go bad and attack people if mistreated or mistrained. The difference between your average toy poodle going nuts and a pitbull, is that the pitbull is so much more powerful than some other dogs. If your three year old gets attacked by a shitzu, he/she will get some scratches, and need a little ice cream to calm down....at worst end up with a minor phobia of dogs. If it gets attacked by a pitbull, if the kid lives at all he's not getting away with a few scratches...neither would a full grown human. Dogs you can kick aside, no problem. Dogs that will catch your leg in mid-kick and rip it off, mayday.

This is not true. Why do you think that?

Here are some snips from the Ontario public hearings.

My name is Michael O'Sullivan. I'm the executive director of the Humane Society of Canada My name is Michael O'Sullivan. I'm the executive director of the Humane Society of Canada
Mr. Zimmer: You've been in the animal care business for many, many years -- the humane society world and so on. The consequences of a pit bull attack on a victim are, for the most part, qualitatively different or qualitatively more severe than -- you used the example -- the bite that you got from your dog. Would you agree with that?
Mr. O'Sullivan: No. As a matter of fact, a chihuahua is just as dangerous to a baby who's crawling along the floor as a pit bull is.
Mr. Zimmer: On the street, are you saying that an attack by a chihuahua is not qualitatively different from an attack by a pit bull?
Mr. O'Sullivan: That's correct.


from Dr. Tim Zaharchuk, the current president of the Ontario Veterinary Medical Association, and also a private practitioner in the city of Brampton from the Ontario Public Hearings.

What about the most serious of attacks, those resulting in the death of a person attacked? Since 1983, there have been 23 reported human fatalities in Canada due to dog attacks. A total of 55 dogs were involved in these attacks, and only one of these dogs, an American Staffordshire terrier, would be banned under the proposed legislation.

What about the second assumption, that all pit bulls are dangerous? Trying to determine what percentage of pit bulls are involved in attacks is difficult, if not impossible. As it is generally acknowledged that a large percentage of dogs are never licensed, it is impossible to know how many dogs there are of each breed in a municipality.

However, in the city of Toronto study referred to earlier, the pit bulls involved in biting incidents accounted for only 1% of the pit bulls licensed in the city at the time. For comparison purposes, 5% of Labs and 6% of German shepherds licensed within the city had been involved in biting incidents over the same period. Even if we assume that every pit bull in Toronto was licensed at the time, 99% of Toronto's pit bulls did not harm anyone. Clearly, the assumption that all pit bulls are dangerous is not based in fact.

To read more from the hearings:
http://www.ontla.on.ca/hansard/committee_debates/38_parl/session1/legassembly/M009.htm#P672_181318


Its not necessarily fair to single out pitbulls, since there's a lot of "attack dogs" that shouldn't be out without a muzzle either....some rottweilers, dobermans, etc.


What do you mean by an “attack” dog? A trained police dog, or an unsocialised dog? Is it defined by looks and size? Who is included in this group? Why only some rotties...are they all viscious or not?

I pick … golden retrievers(see stat above), toy poodles and chows to muzzle and ban as that is what has “attacked” my dog. Wait, lets add boxers and pugs too, just to be on the safe side.

[Montague]

Mr. Zimmer: You've been in the animal care business for many, many years -- the humane society world and so on. The consequences of a pit bull attack on a victim are, for the most part, qualitatively different or qualitatively more severe than -- you used the example -- the bite that you got from your dog. Would you agree with that?
Mr. O'Sullivan: No. As a matter of fact, a chihuahua is just as dangerous to a baby who's crawling along the floor as a pit bull is.
Mr. Zimmer: On the street, are you saying that an attack by a chihuahua is not qualitatively different from an attack by a pit bull?
Mr. O'Sullivan: That's correct.

I do not know enough about the subject matter but frankly I think I would take my chances against a 'chihuahua' vs a 'pit bull'. :|

[will1087]

This is not true. Why do you think that?

Here are some snips from the Ontario public hearings.

My name is Michael O'Sullivan. I'm the executive director of the Humane Society of Canada My name is Michael O'Sullivan. I'm the executive director of the Humane Society of Canada
Mr. Zimmer: You've been in the animal care business for many, many years -- the humane society world and so on. The consequences of a pit bull attack on a victim are, for the most part, qualitatively different or qualitatively more severe than -- you used the example -- the bite that you got from your dog. Would you agree with that?
Mr. O'Sullivan: No. As a matter of fact, a chihuahua is just as dangerous to a baby who's crawling along the floor as a pit bull is.
Mr. Zimmer: On the street, are you saying that an attack by a chihuahua is not qualitatively different from an attack by a pit bull?
Mr. O'Sullivan: That's correct.

Mr. Zimmer: On the street, are you saying that an attack by a chihuahua is not qualitatively different from an attack by a pit bull?
Mr. O'Sullivan: That's correct.

It doesnt make it true. The equivelent is saying that a Toyota Tercel does the same amount of damage as a Hummer in a collision. Use some common sense - a pitbull is capable of a hell of a lot more than a poodle.


What about the most serious of attacks, those resulting in the death of a person attacked? Since 1983, there have been 23 reported human fatalities in Canada due to dog attacks. A total of 55 dogs were involved in these attacks, and only one of these dogs, an American Staffordshire terrier, would be banned under the proposed legislation.

Fatalities. That does not include other injuries - way to take a microcosm and form a conclusion :rolleyes:.

What about the second assumption, that all pit bulls are dangerous? Trying to determine what percentage of pit bulls are involved in attacks is difficult, if not impossible. As it is generally acknowledged that a large percentage of dogs are never licensed, it is impossible to know how many dogs there are of each breed in a municipality.

However, in the city of Toronto study referred to earlier, the pit bulls involved in biting incidents accounted for only 1% of the pit bulls licensed in the city at the time. For comparison purposes, 5% of Labs and 6% of German shepherds licensed within the city had been involved in biting incidents over the same period. Even if we assume that every pit bull in Toronto was licensed at the time, 99% of Toronto's pit bulls did not harm anyone. Clearly, the assumption that all pit bulls are dangerous is not based in fact.

To read more from the hearings:
http://www.ontla.on.ca/hansard/committee_debates/38_parl/session1/legassembly/M009.htm#P672_181318


Wow. I pity whoever believes that conclusion.

What do you mean by an “attack” dog? A trained police dog, or an unsocialised dog? Is it defined by looks and size? Who is included in this group? Why only some rotties...are they all viscious or not?

I pick … golden retrievers(see stat above), toy poodles and chows to muzzle and ban as that is what has “attacked” my dog. Wait, lets add boxers and pugs too, just to be on the safe side.

Dogs bred to attack. Do you think its a coincidence that Beagles are used for fox hunting? Humans used to breed dogs to serve a purpose - attacking was one of those purposes.

[eliza]

Actually, I would not like to be attacked by any dog. That is why I believe they all need to be trained, socialized and leashed by their humans.

Regarding fatalities, it had been stated that one would not survive an attack by a pitbull. The data I was able to find does not support this conclusion. Do you have conflicting data?

By the way, what facts have led you to your conclusion? Who are the experts whose opinions you deem valid?

[will1087]

Actually, I would not like to be attacked by any dog. That is why I believe they all need to be trained, socialized and leashed by their humans.

Regarding fatalities, it had been stated that one would not survive an attack by a pitbull. The data I was able to find does not support this conclusion. Do you have conflicting data?

By the way, what facts have led you to your conclusion? Who are the experts whose opinions you deem valid?

Big dogs cause more damage. Common sense.

I'm saying that the statistics you're using are only a microcosm. I'm not concluding anything.

Also, dogs were bred for purposes - if you do not believe that, please go educate yourself on the matter.

[Narci]

Well, a dog can live fine in a house. Dogs are born and raised to be domesticated animals. Tigers and Lions need massive amounts of space, a different kind of habitat, and large amounts of food. Many people don't have the time, space or money for that kind of thing.

I think the ban is ridiculous because it's based on what SOME pit bulls do. SOME humans commit crimes, does that mean we should be "muzzled" and put on a leash?

reminds me of sigfried and roy.


I got attacked my a husky once. It was our neighbour's dog. It was chained to our porch for the day because it was attacking my neighbours parents. Man was it scary..the thing went for my head and I ended up with bites to the back of my neck and rips in my jacket. No i did not provoke the dog.I just walked by it to get to my car.

[will1087]

That being said,

I do not believe that we should ban pitbulls altogether - they make fantastic pets to responsible people. Also, I do believe Pit Bulls have more violent tendancies than other dogs.

[eliza]

Willy, I never argued with you that dogs were initially bred for a purpose. I'm not sure if i've seen a "pit bull attacks bull" story recently.

And I also agree that there needs to be more stats gathered. This will not be happening in Ontario though, as the liberal voted this down as well as dog bite prevention.

My overall point is that not all dogs of a particular shape are dangerous.

[will1087]

Willy, I never argued with you that dogs were initially bred for a purpose. I'm not sure if i've seen a "pit bull attacks bull" story recently.

And I also agree that there needs to be more stats gathered. This will not be happening in Ontario though, as the liberal voted this down as well as dog bite prevention.

My overall point is that not all dogs of a particular shape are dangerous.


By the way, what facts have led you to your conclusion? Who are the experts whose opinions you deem valid?

Seemed like you didn't agree with any of my points but I digress.

[cyberknight]

why don't all the pitbull lovers give this irresponsible dog owner a piece of their mind? (or more) or find a way to help the OP out?

you can't deny the fact that there are dogs that have killed or seriously injured kids before.

[sdzbwxp]

I’m sorry to hear about your friend and dog. I wish everyone would follow leash laws.

I have some questions about the incident:

1) How do you know it was a pit bull?

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html


2) Were both the dogs off leash?

3) Where did this happen? Dog park?

4) How did the incident start? When 2 dogs met? Was it a dog fight and they were both involved? How did you friend become involved?

5) Is the purpose to get money out of people or to solve the situation and get someone to be a more responsible dog owner?

I would approach the man and request he say share the vet bill. Send a letter if you like.

With regards to lock jaws and time bombs: Urban Legends. How does a dog eat once he locks his jaw? If you have some proof , I would love to see it!

For an overview of some others myths read:
http:////www.ontla.on.ca/hansard/committee_debates/38_parl/session1/legassembly/M010.htm#P1136_306534

Liz

1. It is a pitbull...SPCA taken it away and identified it as pitbull and classified as dangerious dog...

2. Only the pitbull was unleashed

3. Not a park..just in front of the dog owner's house...

4. the pitbull run over from the other side of the street and started attacking. He was trying to divide the two dogs, but got pulled down and bitten.

5. If there is a way to get him to be a responsible dog owner, that would be great. But, it seem not likely......so, the goal is to ensure the safty of the neighbour hood...either get him out of the neighbour hood, or take down the dog...

[Happy13178]

It's funny that you chose O'Sullivan to quote, since he's under investigation for severe mistreatment of animals. But since you agree with this stuff, I have to ask. Would you really qualify an attack from a dog that weighs less then your average encyclopedia volume, the same as an attack from a 90lb pair of jaws? Really? B/c if you can, you may be one of the people I mentioned before.
As far as what I would qualify as attack dogs, I would pick ones bred specifically for police/military use, guard dogs, and those mistreated by owners or trained to fight *AND* capable of overpowering an average-sized adult man. Retreivers could fall into this category, and so could plenty of other dogs, but the majority of the accused fall into the categories I mentioned before.

This is not true. Why do you think that?

Here are some snips from the Ontario public hearings.

My name is Michael O'Sullivan. I'm the executive director of the Humane Society of Canada My name is Michael O'Sullivan. I'm the executive director of the Humane Society of Canada
Mr. Zimmer: You've been in the animal care business for many, many years -- the humane society world and so on. The consequences of a pit bull attack on a victim are, for the most part, qualitatively different or qualitatively more severe than -- you used the example -- the bite that you got from your dog. Would you agree with that?
Mr. O'Sullivan: No. As a matter of fact, a chihuahua is just as dangerous to a baby who's crawling along the floor as a pit bull is.
Mr. Zimmer: On the street, are you saying that an attack by a chihuahua is not qualitatively different from an attack by a pit bull?
Mr. O'Sullivan: That's correct.


from Dr. Tim Zaharchuk, the current president of the Ontario Veterinary Medical Association, and also a private practitioner in the city of Brampton from the Ontario Public Hearings.

What about the most serious of attacks, those resulting in the death of a person attacked? Since 1983, there have been 23 reported human fatalities in Canada due to dog attacks. A total of 55 dogs were involved in these attacks, and only one of these dogs, an American Staffordshire terrier, would be banned under the proposed legislation.

What about the second assumption, that all pit bulls are dangerous? Trying to determine what percentage of pit bulls are involved in attacks is difficult, if not impossible. As it is generally acknowledged that a large percentage of dogs are never licensed, it is impossible to know how many dogs there are of each breed in a municipality.

However, in the city of Toronto study referred to earlier, the pit bulls involved in biting incidents accounted for only 1% of the pit bulls licensed in the city at the time. For comparison purposes, 5% of Labs and 6% of German shepherds licensed within the city had been involved in biting incidents over the same period. Even if we assume that every pit bull in Toronto was licensed at the time, 99% of Toronto's pit bulls did not harm anyone. Clearly, the assumption that all pit bulls are dangerous is not based in fact.

To read more from the hearings:
http://www.ontla.on.ca/hansard/committee_debates/38_parl/session1/legassembly/M009.htm#P672_181318



What do you mean by an “attack” dog? A trained police dog, or an unsocialised dog? Is it defined by looks and size? Who is included in this group? Why only some rotties...are they all viscious or not?

I pick … golden retrievers(see stat above), toy poodles and chows to muzzle and ban as that is what has “attacked” my dog. Wait, lets add boxers and pugs too, just to be on the safe side.