How to stop this crazy old man?

[PlayerOne]

was talking to a friend on msn that doesnt live in toronto, her mom works as the in-charge nurse at a old folks home, and not just regular old folks, all of them has some sort of mental illness

one old man in particular is very..."self protective", in that he beats the other old ppl whenever he gets the chance to...and we are talking injuries such as bruised up face, bloody nose and such (these may not seem very serious but for 80+ year olds, these are pretty serious)

so what do you suggest they do about it?

and a sidenote, even if he kills someone, he wouldnt be sent to jail because its "not his fault" due to the mental illness(i personally think this is very unfair), and of course, he cant be locked in his room because thats violates freedom laws and stuff

keep in mind there are very limited amount of staff

[Siefer999]

everybody has a right to be safe. he should be isolated from other people so he wont injure others

[PlayerOne]

everybody has a right to be safe. he should be isolated from other people so he wont injure others

ya but staff is limited, how will you make sure he stays within his "zone" (he cant be locked in his room)

[Piccolo]

There has to be some sortof rules about this behaviour and a plan of action if this behavour occurs that would best suit the needs of the old age home and ALL it's memebers. If he is a literally beating up other people then can't he be relocated to another institution that is more fitting?

[Siefer999]

the home should kick him out then since they are unable to handle him under their circumstances. im sure theres a home for violent mentally disabled people

[Blue_Thunder13]

couldnt the nurses give him some kind of sedative to kinda calm him down and make him more mellow? :|

[sucka]

Why is he not in a mental hospital or psychiatric ward where he can be treated instead of a nursing home for old folks??? He will not get proper care or treatment in a nursing home and could be dangerous to those around him. Putting someone in a mental hospital is not demeaning but helpful to those who require it ..... otherwise tell u friends mom to put him in a strait jacket. :lol:

[PlayerOne]

this institution is funded by the gov, and the department that she works in is specialised in taking care of ppl with mental illnes, which is what the old guy has, so he can't and won't be kicked out even if he really does kill someone one day, this is the most extreme "patient" they've ever had

i can't explain why "it's not his fault if he kills someone, cuz he has a mental illness" is a resonable excuse, cuz i personally strongly disagree with it, but that's what my friend's mom said...that's just how it works apparently...

[xchodax]

why not just put him on a different schedule than everyone else.

if most of the patients eat at 4, he'll eat at 5
activity time at 3? he can have his activity time at 6


but then again he'd probably become even more depressed (if he already is) cuz he'll be singled out from the other patients.

[cipher]

Ex-Lax...keep him busy....

[PrimoTurbo]

I don't see how your story is possible, even if he is mentally ill how can the facility allow him to be violent towards others?

[blackhawk]

My wife works in a nursing or old folks home and people in them with a history of physical abuse have procedures that have to be followed, in place by the govt but enforced by the administration of the home.

This is to protect both the staff and other residents.

Not enough staff is not an excuse and administration could be found liable for injuries if they dont provide sufficient staff. Also, the provincial govt regulates and checks homes on a continuing basis and acts on any complaint from either family of residents or staff.
If this is serious, it should be reported and normally there are an incredible amount of frivolous complaints investigated by the home and sometimes the authorities.

Physical incidents with dementia patients is quite common and they are normally in a lock down unit to prevent mixing and wandering outside the premises

[ullyeus]

I don't think you have all the info, as mentioned above there are definetly rules and practices in place for things like this, it happens a lot.

[BuildBuyBreed]

They can strap him into a comode or wheelchair with velcro or cloth tiedowns... this is totally protected under the law because he's a danger to other people... and because he's assaulting other people. He's not being confined because he's still mobile.

The staff are protected to because they're preventing assault.

[Spiderpal93]

The Story totally doesn't make sense unless the staff there is clueless or not experienced at all:confused: :confused: :confused:

[Andro]

this thread is worthless without pics.

[Happy13178]

3 words. Electronic Dog Collar. Make his "Zone" the "yard" and anytime he steps out of it he gets zapped.

[gman]

If he is mental, send him to a mental institution which has the right people, tools, rooms, medicine to deal with him. Putting him in an average old folk home is wrong. When people get old, everyone will eventually get some kind of mental illness. I am talking about the mild one, forgetting thing, cannot get the logic right, talking to themselves, etc. This person is more than that. Hence, he should be treated in a mental institution.

[gman]

i can't explain why "it's not his fault if he kills someone, cuz he has a mental illness" is a resonable excuse, cuz i personally strongly disagree with it, but that's what my friend's mom said...that's just how it works apparently...

Well, it is not his fault if it is proven he does not know what he is doing.

It is the fault of the person/organization putting him there. If he does kill someone one day, the one (person/organization) who could foresee that might happen and did nothing to prevent it will be sued. In this case, it is possible that your friend's mom may be held responsbile. If I were her, I would cover all bases to make everybody knows that too.

[CSK'sMom]

this institution is funded by the gov, and the department that she works in is specialised in taking care of ppl with mental illnes, which is what the old guy has, so he can't and won't be kicked out even if he really does kill someone one day, this is the most extreme "patient" they've ever had

i can't explain why "it's not his fault if he kills someone, cuz he has a mental illness" is a resonable excuse, cuz i personally strongly disagree with it, but that's what my friend's mom said...that's just how it works apparently...

You absolutely do not have the whole story or the facts. If he kills someone he is absolutely responsible. The provision in the criminal code that you are referring to is "NCR" or not criminally responsible. It does not mean that one walks away without punishment. It means that if convicted NCR one is sent to a locked mental institution. Once there the accused goes through intensive therapy and is assessed once a year by a panel of doctors. The stats are that most who have been convicted with an NCR distinction are not released for an average of over 15 years. A good number are never released. As it was explained to us, the locked metal facility in Ontario is absolutely the worst place you could end up, it makes maximum security prisons look like a country club.

It's very, very difficult for a defense lawyer to accomplish an NCR conviction, the criteria is quite high. Not only does the defense hire doctors to access the accused, then the Crown attorneys do and a doctor from the Forensic Science Center also does an assessment.Basically, they all must agree that the person is NCR...

[PlayerOne]

i found out a little more just now, apparently they're only allowing him to only be in his room, or ONE of the few tv rooms they have, and when he's in the public area, one of the staff must be with him, they have also installed an infared thing at his door so if anyone ever enters or leaves his room, a light in the office goes on and they'll know and check it out

i guess that's pretty sufficient, my friend's mother just says that there are times when the staff missed the infared light signal thing cuz they're all busy

[Ojam]

If they are all nurses shouldn't they know what to do..........

[squall458]

If they are all nurses shouldn't they know what to do..........
exactly! if these nurses dont know what to do on their own, given their training and knowledge, what would a bunch of redflaggers know....

[Alvito]

upper cut him when nobody is looking.

[UrbanPoet]

that is assault.
criminal charges can be pressed. This isnt just some old geezer banging his cane on the wall this is hard core assault. Police should be called!

[bmwmini]

this thread is worthless

fixed.