Are Hezbollah really terrorists or are they terrorists just because America says so..

[The_Doc]

Its unbelievable how people are gullable to think that these guy are terrorists when they were fighting for the land that they once had that was stolen from them from israel but america and israel considers these guy terrorists because they dont give in into their ********. Lebanon is probably the most peaceful and democratic country.the hezbollah cannot afford tanks and war planes so they use other forms of methods to fight back.

[bottomfeeder]

Hezbollah
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah

From CNN Documentary "Inside Hezbollah"

Hezbolla created in 1982 as a response to the Israeli invasion of Southern Lebanon

Like a "ward organization" in Chicago
People complain that Hezbollah get finding from Syria and Iran - BUT Israel gets funding from US - should we stop the funding to BOTH sides?

They provide -
- Birth to death insurance
- Social service workers
- Schools + Hospitals
- They know their people

Track record of helping rebuild
1996 - Hezbollah elped supporters rebuild after Israeli attacks
Jihad Construction Company - helps people rebuild - they have trucks and guys that go house to house with windows and doors and supplies and ask people if they need help!

Today Hezbollah providng relief services!
People know that Hezbollah will be there for them after the present actions are over

Capturing Israeli soldiers worked in the past.
In 1985 Israel relesed more than 1,000 prisoners in exchange for 3 Israeli soldiers
- why did it not work this time?

Terrorist and Patriot are relative terms

[The_Doc]

since the whole "war on terror"(of really) is out there now so they can go kill anyone and continue their agenda of destroying Lebannon, only by justify it by saying these guys are terrorist.

Of course bush and the true bosses give them the green light because this benefits them, as it opens the route of attack Iran and pulling an "Iraq'D" situation there.

[atforum]

whenever america says some is a terrorist, he becomes one. Saddam was a great ruler till 1990 coz he was giving them oil, gassing his own citizens, fighting iran. but after 1991 he became a terrorist coz he was no longer their puppet

[The_Doc]

whenever america says some is a terrorist, he becomes one.

so are you saying if america says you are a terrorist your going to become one?

[danfromwaterloo]

The term terrorist is not simply one given to enemies, but one given to enemies that rely on harming civilians and innocents to attain their goals.

Nazis, as evil as they were, were not terrorists, because they never aimed at churches, schools, houses, etc. (Even though they were hit, the target was never the civilians).

Hezbollah has used suicide bombers in buses and crowded streets, killed women and children, and continue to bomb civilians with missles. They don't attack military bases, police stations, etc. They go after the innocents.

THAT is the definition of terrorist. Its no different than 9/11.

Hezbollah is the DEFINITION of terrorists.

[atforum]

so are you saying if america says you are a terrorist your going to become one?

Ofcourse. Those fools will send my name to their database and all of EU and canada. The interpol will also say I am a terrorist. No country will have the guts to host me...and i will be hunted down and chased down like a dog by some butchers and packed to some eastern european prison. Did not the americans make saddam a terrorist and supporter of al-quada??

[bottomfeeder]

Bin Laden fights for Arab / Muslim rights

Bin Laden was not a terrorist while he was fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan.
Bin Laden is a terrorist while he fights America.

That is part of the Political Theory of Relativity

[shampoo]

if killing innocent civilians is terrorist, then israel is the biggest terrorist state.
Ofcourse alot of f***** morons will keep supporting them.

Every freedom fighter in the world is now labled as terrorists. Look at kashmiri freedom fighter, india calls them terrorists. Even though they have been fighting for more then 50 yrs!!

No one has desire to blowup themselves. But when everthing is taken away from you, your country, your home, ur families are killed, then the only thing on ur mind is to kill ur enemy.

[bottomfeeder]

To the Canadians - What would you do if the US decided to annex Alberta (oil)?

We don't have any military might - What would you do?
Seriously - if we fought back using guerilla tactics - would we be terrorists?

Or would you sit in front of your computer and whine on RFD?

(I did not use Quebec as an example because we would probably cheer on the Americans - sorry for the jab Quebec - you know the ON + PQ rivalry)

[kingkhan]

whenever america says some is a terrorist, he becomes one. Saddam was a great ruler till 1990 coz he was giving them oil, gassing his own citizens, fighting iran. but after 1991 he became a terrorist coz he was no longer their puppet

wasnt OSAMA once a US Friend, when fighting against Soviet Union? Simple Definition of a terrorist.

Be a Bush yes ***** and you will be a friend/partner whatever, don't listen to his crap you are a terrorist.

[CheapScotsman]

its not the killing of innocent civilians that makes a terrorist ... its the targetting.

you are NOT a terrorist if you fighting against a military (like Bin Laden was doing in Afghanistan against the Russian military)

If you you throw a bomb at a tank and it bounces off and blows up a school bus, that doesn't make you a terrorist. If you throw the bomb at the school bus, thats strongly moving you into the definition of a terrorist.

The geneva convention indicates that armed forces are not to use civilians as protection. If you store your missles in the basement of an apartment building and your enemy takes out the apartment block (and the missles) then the civilian casulties are YOUR responsbility.

Edit ... read danfromwaterloo above, he's mostly got it ...

[SLee]

The geneva convention indicates that armed forces are not to use civilians as protection. If you store your missles in the basement of an apartment building and your enemy takes out the apartment block (and the missles) then the civilian casulties are YOUR responsbility.
The Geneva Conventions also state that you can't attack a military target while knowing that it will cause significant civilian damage and that if you're not fully certain of the nature of a target, you must assume it to be civilian.

[Casanova]

The term terrorist is not simply one given to enemies, but one given to enemies that rely on harming civilians and innocents to attain their goals.

.
what about israel?

[atforum]

what about israel?

its a terrorist state...

[JohnB]

What a stupid question...

[atforum]

What a stupid question...

but correct question...

[plymouthhater]

Israel withdrew from Lebanon completely as per the UN.
Sheba or Shaaba (depending on how you spell it) Farms according to the UN is the property of Syria who Israel is still technically at war with and under no obligation to return the Sheba or Shaaba Farms until a formal peace accord is signed.

So since Israel withdrew from Lebanon completely (as per the UN) exactly what "Resistance to Occupation" was Hezballah exercising prior to the latest flare up?

[blackhawk]

If hezbollah are lebanese freedom fighters, then what is the lebanese govt and armed forces?

Common sense and logic still needs to be applied.

[atforum]

If hezbollah are lebanese freedom fighters, then what is the lebanese govt and armed forces?

Common sense and logic still needs to be applied.

If kurd fighters in iraq were supposed to be freedom fighters by the USA then what is the Iraqi army :confused:

Common sense and logic still needs to be applied by you as well :)

[atforum]

Israel withdrew from Lebanon completely as per the UN.
Sheba or Shaaba (depending on how you spell it) Farms according to the UN is the property of Syria who Israel is still technically at war with and under no obligation to return the Sheba or Shaaba Farms until a formal peace accord is signed.

So since Israel withdrew from Lebanon completely (as per the UN) exactly what "Resistance to Occupation" was Hezballah exercising prior to the latest flare up?


Then why is israel still holding lebonese prisoners?? Why not release them and end the war. So hizb. can dismantle

[CheapScotsman]

Then why is israel still holding lebonese prisoners?? Why not release them and end the war. So hizb. can dismantle
While I don't know know why (or even if) Isreal is holding Hizbollah prisoners ... Hizbollahs mandate is the destruction is the state of Isreal in the middle east ... Isreal releasing any prisoners isn't going to produce a dismantling of Hizbollah.

[bambam]

The term terrorist is not simply one given to enemies, but one given to enemies that rely on harming civilians and innocents to attain their goals.

Nazis, as evil as they were, were not terrorists, because they never aimed at churches, schools, houses, etc. (Even though they were hit, the target was never the civilians).

Hezbollah has used suicide bombers in buses and crowded streets, killed women and children, and continue to bomb civilians with missles. They don't attack military bases, police stations, etc. They go after the innocents.

THAT is the definition of terrorist. Its no different than 9/11.

Hezbollah is the DEFINITION of terrorists.

As usual you talk on topics you have no idea about. So pathetic that you go way further on BSing to acquit Nazis.

Nazis, as evil as they were, were not terrorists

Oh really?
Means Used by the Nazi Conspiractors in Gaining Control of the German State (http://fcit.usf.edu/HOLOCAUST/resource/document/DOCNAC8.htm)

So let's see how the Israelis were doing this area.
Past Zionist-Jewish Terrorism - Some Historical Facts (http://www.rense.com/general21/pastzionist.htm)

Jewish Terrorism in France (http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n2p-2_Faurisson.html)

http://hnn.us/articles/832.html
"As long as young people feel they've got no hope but to blow themselves up we are never going to make progress."
-- Cherie Blair, Wife of the British Prime Minister

"The Palestinians are fighting with human suicide bombers, that's all they have. The Israelis . . . they've got one of the most powerful military machines in the world. The Palestinians have nothing."
-- Ted Turner, Founder of CNN

"I do not think that in his heart an Israeli would deny that, if your enemy has taken land that is rightfully yours and occupied it, then not just your enemy's army but his wife and son and daughter and servants and all who, under his protection, come to live and make their living on the stolen land, are aggressors. By their presence they aid and abet the occupation."
-- Matthew Parris, Saturday Times of London, June 22, 2002

"Terrorism in Israel really started with Begin and Shamir and later Sharon." "It's a very valid question as to why they see no similarities between themselves under the British and the Palestinians under their occupation."
-- Clovis Maksoud, the former Arab League ambassador to the United Nations

"David Ben-Gurion never moved against the Irgun and the Stern Gang until after the state was established and secured, which is definitely not true in the case of the Palestinian Authority. Essentially, the Israelis are asking the Palestinians to do something they themselves refused to do." i
-- Hussein Ibish, Communication director of the American Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Goldstein

So here is some free training for you and alike.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism

[danfromwaterloo]

what about israel?

Please note: RELY on harming civilians, not result in harming civilians.

In war, innocent casualties occur. Londonderry, for example. An entire city was wiped out by Nazi bombings.

Israel might create civilian casualties, but that's not their AIM. Bus bombings however ARE.

[atforum]

While I don't know know why (or even if) Isreal is holding Hizbollah prisoners ... Hizbollahs mandate is the destruction is the state of Isreal in the middle east ... Isreal releasing any prisoners isn't going to produce a dismantling of Hizbollah.

you are confusing the mandate of hizbollah and hamas

[danfromwaterloo]

As usual you talk on topics you have no idea about. So pathetic that you go way further on BSing to acquit Nazis.

Sorry, I forgot. Attending pointless rallies in cities thousands of miles away from the actual action makes one a vital expert on middle eastern politics. I bow to your heightened sense of superiority, asshat.



Oh really?
Means Used by the Nazi Conspiractors in Gaining Control of the German State (http://fcit.usf.edu/HOLOCAUST/resource/document/DOCNAC8.htm)

So let's see how the Israelis were doing this area.
Past Zionist-Jewish Terrorism - Some Historical Facts (http://www.rense.com/general21/pastzionist.htm)

Jewish Terrorism in France (http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n2p-2_Faurisson.html)

http://hnn.us/articles/832.html


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Goldstein

So here is some free training for you and alike.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism

Wow, I'm surprised you didn't quote from the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth as well. I mean, come on, "Institute for Historical Review"? What the hell is wrong with you? Its one thing to have a valid opposing viewpoint, which I can respect, but to say that we're all biased, then quoting ridiculously OBVIOUSLY biased sources....

But since you claim to be such an expert in this area, why don't you enlighten US about your expertise. Where did you do your post-doctoral thesis? Did you intern in the region? Study under high-level leaders in the area?

Or do you consider your level of expertise in this limited to surfing naziesque websites in your underwear "in depth study"?

[bambam]

Sorry, I forgot. Attending pointless rallies in cities thousands of miles away from the actual action makes one a vital expert on middle eastern politics. I bow to your heightened sense of superiority, asshat.



Wow, I'm surprised you didn't quote from the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth as well. I mean, come on, "Institute for Historical Review"? What the hell is wrong with you? Its one thing to have a valid opposing viewpoint, which I can respect, but to say that we're all biased, then quoting ridiculously OBVIOUSLY biased sources....

But since you claim to be such an expert in this area, why don't you enlighten US about your expertise. Where did you do your post-doctoral thesis? Did you intern in the region? Study under high-level leaders in the area?

Or do you consider your level of expertise in this limited to surfing naziesque websites in your underwear "in depth study"?


So Florida Center for Instructional Technology, College of Education, University of South Florida is biased?

Judith Apter Klinghoffer
Ms. Klinghoffer is senior associate scholar at the Political Science department at Rutgers University, Camden, and the author of Vietnam, Jews and the Middle East. is biased?

So if it is not Fox or CNN (as you stated in the past) all others are biased, right?

What else should we expect from people in order to acquit Israelis from the ethnic cleansing they are doing on anyone who is not Jewish in the Middle east? Some don't hesitate to 'cleanse' or acquit Nazis.

Just to summarize what is happening here (to those who can only good at using visual clues):

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/notfas.jpg

PS: I also reported your personal attack to the mods.

[blackhawk]

If kurd fighters in iraq were supposed to be freedom fighters by the USA then what is the Iraqi army :confused:

Common sense and logic still needs to be applied by you as well :)

So you think that hezbollah is fighting for their freedom from the lebanese govt and army? Is it a civil war? Are they fighting other muslims or christians in lebanon?

Lets stay on topic of the op, not compare another country and time period.

[atforum]

So you think that hezbollah is fighting for their freedom from the lebanese govt and army? Is it a civil war? Are they fighting other muslims or christians in lebanon?

Lets stay on topic of the op, not compare another country and time period.

Yes, atleast acc. to hezb. they are opposing the govt. as well. Anyway not to forget its role during hte civil war.

[lip1978]

you are confusing the mandate of hizbollah and hamas

Actually, just to be clear, Hezbollah has also called for the destruction of Israel, and has since it's creation 20+ years ago.

Israel has called for the disarming of Hezbollah as an organization, so that it is no longer a de-facto army for Lebanon.

The Lebanese gov't has no idea what to do about Hezbollah.

And as for the question of Hezbollah being a terrorist organization, that would depend on what the OP's definition of terrorism is.
But if you look at Hezbollah's history of attacks, you'd see a pattern of attacks against civilians, with no military goal.

[CheapScotsman]

you are confusing the mandate of hizbollah and hamas
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah#Ideology ... "Hezbollah supports the destruction of the state of Israel[50]and has co-operated with other militant Islamic organizations such as Hamas in order to promote this goal. "

[lagos]

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah#Ideology ... "Hezbollah supports the destruction of the state of Israel[50]and has co-operated with other militant Islamic organizations such as Hamas in order to promote this goal. "

quoting this kinda topic from wikipedia has to be the most laughable thing one can do...you know wiki can be edited right! :)

[The_Doc]

Israel withdrew from Lebanon completely as per the UN.
Sheba or Shaaba (depending on how you spell it) Farms according to the UN is the property of Syria who Israel is still technically at war with and under no obligation to return the Sheba or Shaaba Farms until a formal peace accord is signed.

So since Israel withdrew from Lebanon completely (as per the UN) exactly what "Resistance to Occupation" was Hezballah exercising prior to the latest flare up?


israel withdrew because iran threatened them.

[atforum]

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah#Ideology ... "Hezbollah supports the destruction of the state of Israel[50]and has co-operated with other militant Islamic organizations such as Hamas in order to promote this goal. "

from the same wiki

but opposing the Zionists ideology is not opposing setting a home for Jews, but rejecting stealing the Palestinian lands...Fighting Zionism has no direct or indirect link to religion or Judaism; people of all races, religions, and nationalities oppose and reject Zionism. There are even Jews and Rabbis opposing Zionism... ZIONISM is not Judaism, and thus opposing Zionism is not opposing Judaism. Opposing ZIONISM is rejecting the concept of creating “Israel” by the use of force and violence, by stealing the Arabs’ lands and killing Palestinians- It is opposing all of the Zionist crimes.

they are opposing zionism and the way israel was created by violence. YOu need to talk with these fellows and I am sure diplomacy can prevail and both israel and arabs can co-exit, but that is through diplomacy. NOt high-handedness that israel has been using...like occupying jeruselum, air raids etc

[CheapScotsman]

quoting this kinda topic from wikipedia has to be the most laughable thing one can do...you know wiki can be edited right! :)
Information sources can always be debated, even those that are eye witnesses

I know that wikipedia can be edited but given that it can edited by both pro and anti whatever topic is under discussion ... its believed that most articles have a somewhat balanced nature about them and most of those that don't are flagged for dispute. The Hez article isn't flagged.

If you wish to believe that the basic information about Hez is factually inaccurate then more power to your conspiracy theory.

[CheapScotsman]

from the same wiki



they are opposing zionism and the way israel was created by violence. YOu need to talk with these fellows and I am sure diplomacy can prevail and both israel and arabs can co-exit, but that is through diplomacy. NOt high-handedness that israel has been using...like occupying jeruselum, air raids etc
From the same wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism
Zionism is a political movement and ideology that supports a homeland for the Jewish people in the Land of Israel, where the Jewish nation originated over 3,200 years ago and where Jewish kingdoms and self-governing states existed up to the 2nd century.

lets see here ...

a) Zionism calls for the creation of a state basically where it is now (and believe they have a historical case for such)

b) Hez and Hamas call for the destruction of said state (I fully understand that Hamas and Hez aren't calling for the extermination of Judiasm, etc, they just want the current state of Isreal gone and their land back)

and how exactly do you think you think this can be reconciled diplomatically? With Isreali in the middle east or Hamas or Hez alive ... it just isn't going to happen and neither is going to give in ...

so lets bring in an arbitrator:
Well, the UN (would you call them the Supreme court?) came up with an idea 50+ years ago but Arabs didn't like that but haven't been able to cut it in the streets to make a change.

So lets try something a little wilder:
Perhaps somebody should offer the Isrealis another place to go? Canada has lots of land (at least those that we took from the Indians) so perhaps those who are keep to relocated the Isrealis should be petitioning our Gov't (and the Isreali's) to carve out a space for an Isreali nation ... or maybe start working on the EU to pony up some rock or ??? But the Isrealis are king of the castle ... think they really want to move?

So lets look at the Reality on the ground today
Isreal isn't going anywhere. Hez and Hamas want to destroy it but can only irritate it ... and when Isreal feels like it has had enough it pounds the tar out of the associated areas. It isn't the Isrealis who are losing, militarily, in this conflict. Can't quite figure out how Hez and Hamas figure they are getting anywhere with their current strategy.

[The_Doc]

On the date of British withdrawal the Jewish provisional government declared the formation of the State of Israel.Which legitimity they had to do it?
Did you know at this time there were much much more Arabs living there than jews?Don't you think it's illogic a minority declare the formation of the State?
For example imagine the latinos declare the formation of a new state insted the USA.They change the flag and the language (Spanish insted English) and they call and invite all latinos from South america to settle in Usa insted USA people.They destroy houses with their inhabitants with bulldozer and build others and give them to latinos from abroad.When Usa people try to react the latinos helped by the number 1 army in the world kill them violently and terrorise them to make them refugees in Canada.Plus they invite them hypocritly to preserve peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions.
The latinos increase the level of violence each time usa people try to react plus they insult them of Terrorist insted resistants fighters.
Can you imagine the situation?Just attempt to put yourself in their shoes for ONE MINUTE!

[lip1978]

On the date of British withdrawal the Jewish provisional government declared the formation of the State of Israel.Which legitimity they had to do it?
Did you know at this time there were much much more Arabs living there than jews?Don't you think it's illogic a minority declare the formation of the State?
For example imagine the latinos declare the formation of a new state insted the USA.They change the flag and the language (Spanish insted English) and they call and invite all latinos from South america to settle in Usa insted USA people.They destroy houses with their inhabitants with bulldozer and build others and give them to latinos from abroad.When Usa people try to react the latinos helped by the number 1 army in the world kill them violently and terrorise them to make them refugees in Canada.Plus they invite them hypocritly to preserve peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions.
The latinos increase the level of violence each time usa people try to react plus they insult them of Terrorist insted resistants fighters.
Can you imagine the situation?Just attempt to put yourself in their shoes for ONE MINUTE!

Just out of curiosity, did you know that the original 1947 resolution that created Israel also created a state of Palestine? Are you aware of the sequence of events that happened at that time?

[asim99]

i consider both israel and hezbollah the embodiment of terror...israel more so, because it terrorizes its own palestinian population as well as the neighboring nations with impunity and without any fear of sanctions, courtesy uncle sam...

[will1087]

i consider both israel and hezbollah the embodiment of terror...israel more so, because it terrorizes its own palestinian population as well as the neighboring nations with impunity and without any fear of sanctions, courtesy uncle sam...

Thats funny, another unsubstantiated claim? I call shenanigans.

[danfromwaterloo]

So Florida Center for Instructional Technology, College of Education, University of South Florida is biased?

Judith Apter Klinghoffer
Ms. Klinghoffer is senior associate scholar at the Political Science department at Rutgers University, Camden, and the author of Vietnam, Jews and the Middle East. is biased?

No, actually, if you READ what you quoted:


Indeed, more and more the argument is forwarded that the murder of innocents through suicide bombing is just another military strategy justified or at the very least expected if the circumstances are dire enough and if the power disparity is big enough. Nations whose land, even if not necessarily people, is under occupation are morally entitled to the most extreme remedies.ii So, there is nothing morally repugnant in blowing up babies of people you deem "occupiers" nor is it depraved for a mother to encourage her son to become a suicide bomber provided it is done for the sake of freeing the land. Indeed, there is something romantic, even admirable in the willingness of youngsters to sacrifice their lives to kill those who inhabit that land. In any case, who are Israelis to complain? Didn't the Yishuv (the Jewish community in Palestine) dabble in terrorism? Didn't its leaders look the other way before they got the state they wanted? The simple answer is no.


You're HNN listing in there IS biased, and it appears to be biased PRO-Israel.

So if it is not Fox or CNN (as you stated in the past) all others are biased, right?

Fox and CNN are HORRIBLY biased. I don't even consider Fox News really a news channel. Its more like reality tv crossed with an editorial. REAL news sources are like Reuters, Associated Press, BBC, etc. something where they're NOT calling the Israelis "zionists" and the Palestinians "Freedom fighters".

What else should we expect from people in order to acquit Israelis from the ethnic cleansing they are doing on anyone who is not Jewish in the Middle east? Some don't hesitate to 'cleanse' or acquit Nazis.

Alright, I guess your reading skills are lacking. Let me ask one last time:

SHOW ME EVIDENCE THAT ETHNIC CLEANSING IS OCCURRING. ONE DEATH CAMP, ONE MASS GRAVE, ONE EXECUTION SQUAD, ONE OVEN. You insult all the people who were victims of Rwanda, Serbia/Croatia, the Holocaust, Algeria, and all the others when you compare the squalor and battlezone that is their poor lives to the vicious and systematic rapings, beatings, tortures, and eventual mass executions that occur at these places. These people who were victims of ethnic cleansings didn't have rockets, or guns, or anything. Your belief that this is an ethnic cleansing is just plain wrong.

Just to summarize what is happening here (to those who can only good at using visual clues):

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/notfas.jpg

A) Not a republican, sorry. If anything, I'm a democrat, but more specifically, I'm a Canadian. That would make me a Liberal. Actually, I am a CARD CARRYING member of the Liberal Party of Canada.

B) I love what you've done there. See, you've inferred that anybody who disagrees with you, or calls you out on your lack of facts concerning your belief that this is an "ethnic cleansing", is actually a nazi (read:evil). That's awesome! I even hate myself now! Woo! You've convinced me through your cunning use of hate! Congrats! Hezbollah much?

PS: I also reported your personal attack to the mods.

I'm sorry, I didn't really understand that one. All I heard was "Waaaaa! Waaaa! Man called me an asshat! Waaaa!" The reason I HAVEN'T been warned OR banned is because you are ACTING like an asshat.

[Blunt]

Screw that crap..
Get the Hezbolah guys and the Israeli guys to hold hands and sing a happy song. Then all this stuff will end. Is that too much to ask. Look at my Avatar.. it's peaceful, isn't it?

[danfromwaterloo]

Alright, I guess your reading skills are lacking. Let me ask one last time:

SHOW ME EVIDENCE THAT ETHNIC CLEANSING IS OCCURRING. ONE DEATH CAMP, ONE MASS GRAVE, ONE EXECUTION SQUAD, ONE OVEN. You insult all the people who were victims of Rwanda, Serbia/Croatia, the Holocaust, Algeria, and all the others when you compare the squalor and battlezone that is their poor lives to the vicious and systematic rapings, beatings, tortures, and eventual mass executions that occur at these places. These people who were victims of ethnic cleansings didn't have rockets, or guns, or anything. Your belief that this is an ethnic cleansing is just plain wrong.


**crickets**

0_o

[bottomfeeder]

Ethnic cleansing does not mean mass graves and camps.

Ethnic cleansing refers to various policies or practices aimed at the displacement of an ethnic group from a particular territory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing

It is celarly evident that the Palestinian population in present day Israel is nowhere near as high as the Palestinian population in 1947. Where did all the Palestinians go and why?

That is ethnic cleansing.

[asim99]

Ethnic cleansing does not mean mass graves and camps.

Ethnic cleansing refers to various policies or practices aimed at the displacement of an ethnic group from a particular territory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing

It is celarly evident that the Palestinian population in present day Israel is nowhere near as high as the Palestinian population in 1947. Where did all the Palestinians go and why?

That is ethnic cleansing.
that's an interesting way to look at it...israel DOES seem to be engaging in ethnic cleansing

[CheapScotsman]

Ethnic cleansing does not mean mass graves and camps.

Ethnic cleansing refers to various policies or practices aimed at the displacement of an ethnic group from a particular territory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing

It is celarly evident that the Palestinian population in present day Israel is nowhere near as high as the Palestinian population in 1947. Where did all the Palestinians go and why?

That is ethnic cleansing.
Sounds like what Canada did to the native indians. Maybe we should all be working to cleanup our own house first

[danfromwaterloo]

Ethnic cleansing does not mean mass graves and camps.

Ethnic cleansing refers to various policies or practices aimed at the displacement of an ethnic group from a particular territory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing

It is celarly evident that the Palestinian population in present day Israel is nowhere near as high as the Palestinian population in 1947. Where did all the Palestinians go and why?

That is ethnic cleansing.

That is one of the broader terms of ethnic cleansing - forcable displacement.

But since we're at it, in that same article:


21st century
The forced removal of 9000 Jews from the Gaza Strip and Northern West Bank in 2005 as part of Israel's unilateral disengagement plan

So I guess Israel is ethnically cleansing their own people, by that definition?

I for one, feel that the narrower definition of ethnic cleansing is more appropriate - that it's a euphemism for genocide, which clearly is not happening right now.

As for what happened to the people in Palestine, many of them immigrated to different countries, rather than live in the conflict.