Follow-up poll: Political/Religion Discussion Forum

[Ryan]

Before creating such a forum, I want to know how many would favour just not allowing political/religious discussion.

Vote!

[will1087]

Before creating such a forum, I want to know how many would favour just not allowing political/religious discussion.

Vote!

Somehow, with posters like asim99, they'll be inevitable.

[xPiercedx]

new forum.

it will clean up OT and keep it more relaxed and easy going.

while giving a seperate place just for heated debates.

[Shaner]

I jumped the gun. I voted for a new forum, but I've changed my mind. I think it should stay in OT.

I see no reason to ban it altogether, that seems excessive. Banning controversial things is never the answer. It just breeds intolerance and ignorance.

[PlayerOne]

but it will also take away ppl from the OT forum, and not only "cool and funny to talk to" people enjoy politics, so that'll take some of those "fun" ppl away, making the forum even less exciting and fast pace than it used to be

and plus, it's not like the only threads that are serious are about politics/religion, you've got people arguing all the time over meaningless topics anyways, are you going to make a "meaningless arguements forum"?

i say keep it the way it is, it'll do more bad than good, if you don't like politics(i.e. me) just ignore them

[neilson]

I advocate a Political Subforum with myself and Crotchety Old Man or Asim99 as Moderators, this way both parts of the political spectrum are represented and noone can say that the Mods are being biased in one way or another.

[Shaner]

I advocate a Political Subforum with myself and Crotchety Old Man or Asim99 as Moderators, this way both parts of the political spectrum are represented and noone can say that the Mods are being biased in one way or another.

Well if you just wanted one extreme to another, myself and NG would have to be mods for that forum, but just picking people based on their beliefs to mod the forum is not a good idea.
RFD already has mods though

[neilson]

Well if you just wanted one extreme to another, myself and NG would have to be mods for that forum, but just picking people based on their beliefs to mod the forum is not a good idea.
RFD already has mods though

Yeah, Shaner and NG would be good too. Just something that gives perspective, and allows the Political Boards to operate in a semi-autonomous manner so that only the Political Mods will have to intervene.

[PlayerOne]

i think it might even be better to have a mod that doesn't know anything about politics, cuz then they'll just be there to do what mods are suppose to do, lock threads that are becoming a thread of personal attacks, if the mods have strong opinions about politics, they may not be able to control the temptation to join in with the arguement and possibly abuse their power

anyhow, leave picking-the-mods to ryan and ppl

[asim99]

i've changed my mind too...i think it's okay the way things are now

there is usually a surge in topical thread in times of conflict...and then it all subsides and things go back to normal teen discussion, you know like threads about acne, boobies, cougars, and stuff like that

[MrWizard]

I advocate a Political Subforum with myself and Crotchety Old Man or Asim99 as Moderators, this way both parts of the political spectrum are represented and noone can say that the Mods are being biased in one way or another.

But then you will have fighting between the mods. One mod closing a thread because their side is "losing", or because they disagree with what is being said only to have the mod that has the opinion in favour of the general direction of the thread to re-open it.

Well, realistically, we don't need a war forum, because if you don't want to discuss politics/religion then just don't go into the thread.

I don't think banning politics/religion discussion altogether is the way to go either. While banning creates a harmonious environment, allowing such discussion could be a good thing. While there are many idiots on RFD, there are lots of well educated people as well. Maybe someone can offer an opinion/thought/reason other than what we get spoon-fed from the media.

The only problem then lies in policing those threads to make sure the discussion stays clean. RFD doesn't have the man power in the form of mods to police every page of every thread, so all you can do is hope that people use that fancy 'Report A Post' button, located below your user name.

[Casanova]

weshould have a teen forum, a chat forum , relationship forum and a rant forum then?

[SAS-1]

Voted for a subforum.

Again, I see no need for extra mods. Really the amount of threads should stay the same; they will just be better organized into their appropriate categories.

[SAS-1]

weshould have a teen forum, a chat forum , relationship forum and a rant forum then?

Well, we have a Home & Garden, Entertainment, Sports Forum ... should we collapse all those back to Off-Topic?

[Happy13178]

Voted for subforum, although I don't know if regular posters in OT should be mods. Shaner would've already banned asim for personal attacks :p

[neilson]

Voted for subforum, although I don't know if regular posters in OT should be mods. Shaner would've already banned asim for personal attacks :p

This is why Bans are done Jointly. Both Mods will have to come to some sort of consensus, and after all I say it wouldn't hurt to put this into practice and see how it goes.

If the 2 Mod(Right/Left) System Fails, then we can revert to the status quo.

[morpheiz]

heh, all the active posts at the top of the forum are about politics and the war :|

[PlayerOne]

i think too many ppl are just thinking

finally, we can get rid of boring threads
or
finally, a forum where i can stay online 24/7 to


whereas they need to think, what will be the effects of such a forum, it will pull a bunch of people away from OT, it was start a forum with more than half the threads ending up being arguements, which may lead to people leaving RFD altogether

the way i see it, starting another forum that's specialised in enjoyable topics that usually don't end in arguement is ok, such as sports, gaames, H&G, entertainment

but starting a forum that'll have a lot of arguing going on, it'll make people feel like rfd is a boring and aggressiv environment

we need to keep it in OT, only that way people can take a break ezily from their heated politics arguement with threads such as "what the fack are you daoing" and "timmy's owes me 4 cents", it's all about the balance, good won't live as well without the bad,and the bad definitly needs the good to even things out

[PlayerOne]

heh, all the active posts at the top of the forum are about politics and the war :|

that just happens to be the recent trend or fad, like in the past it was "ask me anything about *blank*" threads, and some time ago it was about "when it was the nxt RFD MEAT", then sometime ago it was "post your own pic"

it's rare for a type of topic to be the hot topic for a long time, of course it won't completely die down, but it'll decrase sooner or later, just wait, or we'd have to start a new forum for every "recently hot topics" everytime a new fad catches on

[neilson]

i think too many ppl are just thinking

finally, we can get rid of boring threads
or
finally, a forum where i can stay online 24/7 to


whereas they need to think, what will be the effects of such a forum, it will pull a bunch of people away from OT, it was start a forum with more than half the threads ending up being arguements, which may lead to people leaving RFD altogether

the way i see it, starting another forum that's specialised in enjoyable topics that usually don't end in arguement is ok, such as sports, gaames, H&G, entertainment

but starting a forum that'll have a lot of arguing going on, it'll make people feel like rfd is a boring and aggressiv environment

we need to keep it in OT, only that way people can take a break ezily from their heated politics arguement with threads such as "what the fack are you daoing" and "timmy's owes me 4 cents", it's all about the balance, good won't live as well without the bad,and the bad definitly needs the good to even things out

Well with that kind of logic, you'd still see PeterBrowne in here crying about St00ples, but he's banned and we were all happy to be rid of him.

Can't have it both ways apparently.

[SAS-1]

No. Here is what I am thinking (and probably the majority of people who voted yes): I won't have to come to the Off-Topic to 'shoot the sh*t' and wade through waves of political threads that are started by the same people.

I have no problem if those people like to talk about politics, race, religion, etc. and I think a topic of that importance SHOULD have it's own subforum. Especially when compared to some of the other subforums that have been created.

I was a member of a board that did this about two years ago. It worked with great success. You had less thread craps in the Political threads from people who were simply annoyed by seeing all the topics and the political discussion remained unchanged.

If people are not mature enough to debate in a civilized manner in their own subforum then just ban them. :)

[neilson]

If people are not mature enough to debate in a civilized manner in their own subforum then just ban them. :)

Bingo.

RFD Political Discussions should be heated, and that's ok. But as long as it's not uneducated.

[flyguy3bua]

Voted no opinion in the first poll. This time I voted for a seperate forum, with a warning before entry.
No need for additional mods. Leave the topics wide open. Let everyone flame each other to death if need be, afterall, this is the internet, it's bound to happen. If people don't want to read about stuff that may be offensive, then simply do not enter.
Creating this new subforum eliminates the possibility that people who are looking for funny stuff on OT (bus uncle link's been the highlight of this summer) will come accross rediculous biased political thread titles.

I'd just like to further add that, often times, it is not even worth the time & effort making political related posts on RFD. Honestly, a majority of the people who post in the political threads here are so cemented on one side that they're not going to ackowledge the opposite point anyways. So...meh.

[Peckerwood]

Although I believe it will turn into a flamefest(previous experiential evidence from other forums) it will still be useful to have around to allow for a "steam vent" so-to-speak on both subjects.

Perhaps news related subjects could also be incorporated as well...articles etc

[S_G]

I voted for the sub. It's getting tiring coming to OT and seeing more than half of the topics on the first page have something to do with Israel.

Yes, it's an important topic, but if we can get a political/religious subforum, it would really be a breath of fresh air in OT.

[stevethewheel]

I don't think political/religous discussion should be banned. I do think putting it in a separate forum - maybe just call it controversial - is a good idea.

Ryan - does your bulletin board collect any statistics that tells how widely the political/religious forums are read...that is unique views versus repeat views? It may be these threads are of intense interest to a small group in which case there's no point in cluttering up OT for the majority who don't even click on the threads anymore because of the partisan speeches. But many of the posters do post helpful stuff in other threads, so keep them here by making a subforum.

[atforum]

voted. But it looks like a repost ..from an ADMIN :D :D

[teknoluv]

Like I said, you need some VERY GOOD mods to take care of controversial topics (like politics and religion). But if this is too much (in terms of e.g. resources) for RFD, then forget it.

[konfusion666]

Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room.

[atforum]

bump...why are the mods hesitating too much?? Why dont you take a quick decision..either create a new section or stop such posts.... :) are you guys waiting for US to call for a ceasefire :confused:

[jedijome]

move them into a subforum for gods sakes, i'm sick of seeing a new thread made everytime a poster who has some kinda of agenda to push from either side reads an article supporting his particular view.

if you don't want a different subforum then please keep all the posts in one thread and stop using the excuse, "oh it has more impact if the article is in the op." IT DOESNT MATTER, a thread usually focuses on one particular issue or topic and you're making 500 threads dealing with the same topic, it really doesn't make any sense. yes you want to push your agenda's and try to change the way people think and make them sympathetic to your point of view. well i've got a newsflash for you, that usually doesn't work, not on forums at least, not with the kind of yelling and personal attacks that go on.

this is getting to the point where you could compare it to your neighbours mowing their lawn at 4am on a sunday. urgh have some respect for the other people using the forums who don't really want to see 500 topics on the same bloody conflict and who come to the off topic area to just relax.

[atforum]

:arrowu: :arrowu: yes over the past few days I have become to short tempered as well. And started posting rudely...plz move it or stop it..

thansk

[Munchos]

I voted for subfourm. Has worked out great for other sites I visit.

On a side note how about tighter enforcement of personal attacks?? Nothing worse than trying to have a debate and someone stoops to low blows. Adds nothing to the discussion, and incites other remarks.

Or titles such as "Israeli terrorists...." should be changed as not to incite a flame war, which is inappropriate for any meaningful discussion. Stuff like this would help to have a thoughtful debate/discussion instead of one big pissing war.

[othy]

I'm getting really tired of seeing 10+ new israel/lebanon threads every day (each one biased and flawed in its own unique way) flooding the Off Topic. That stuff alone could support its own subforum!

Wall them off from the rest of us!

[SAS-1]

Like I said, you need some VERY GOOD mods to take care of controversial topics (like politics and religion). But if this is too much (in terms of e.g. resources) for RFD, then forget it.

Why would it need more moderation than the current moderation of existing political threads in Off Topic?

[gorf]

Strict modding could kill the discussion also. I wouldn't change the amount of modding that gets done, even if political discussion is its own subform.

I think the problem right now is that the federal government is doing such a great job that people have jumped onto the international discussion bandwagon. :cheesygri

[blackhawk]

thought we already polled this or something like it, lets get rid of the hate...................either move it or get rid of it off this site

[najibs]

Ryan, please make another forum for religious and politis threads...it will benefit us all.

[tkl]

Get these political/war bullsh1t off to its own forum. Every freaking post is about the stupid war and its political/religious issues it causes. ****off already. Once this quiets down then perhaps you can consider collapsing it back into OT.

[afong56]

Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room.


hahaha, good one. . .i wonder how many people got that reference. . .

back to the op:

a separate forum seems apropos considering current events, but i'm not sure exactly why, considering that is hasn't been necessary in the past, even with tons happening in the political world.
if a new forum is created, new mods are not necessary--the current ones are doing an excellent job.
if new mods are selected, they should not be specific to a politics forum
if politics specific mods are selected, they should be politically naive (more common) or the rare politically savvy and sophisticated who can truly be bi-partisan (almost non-existant).
using 'experts' from opposing elements of the political spectrum, and then expecting them to come to anything resembling a concensus on decisions. . .well, to paraphrase walter matthau: "that dog don't hunt". . .frankly, it's a recipe for disaster--there's a very good reason that moderators in political debates are supposed to be ideologically inert. while the idea might have been well-intentioned, it simply won't work.

[ronin893]

I think the word "terrorist" and its derivatives should be banned. It's simply a label that's abused by both sides and doesn't lead to any meaningful discussion.

I'm not annoyed by the topic or its frequency, but I'm annoyed by the trolling. Creating a new forum won't prevent the trolling. I have no idea what kind of anti-trolling policies may be effective.

[othy]

Perhaps more limiting discussions to a single thread ("official" ones) would be better, and any threads started for a topic already covered are immediately locked.. It would help keep it from the thread titles being used as a soapbox for shouting opinions.

[neilson]

hahaha, good one. . .i wonder how many people got that reference. . .

back to the op:

a separate forum seems apropos considering current events, but i'm not sure exactly why, considering that is hasn't been necessary in the past, even with tons happening in the political world.
if a new forum is created, new mods are not necessary--the current ones are doing an excellent job.
if new mods are selected, they should not be specific to a politics forum
if politics specific mods are selected, they should be politically naive (more common) or the rare politically savvy and sophisticated who can truly be bi-partisan (almost non-existant).
using 'experts' from opposing elements of the political spectrum, and then expecting them to come to anything resembling a concensus on decisions. . .well, to paraphrase walter matthau: "that dog don't hunt". . .frankly, it's a recipe for disaster--there's a very good reason that moderators in political debates are supposed to be ideologically inert. while the idea might have been well-intentioned, it simply won't work.

I got 2 shows that put that theory to dirt.

Hannity and Colmes
Crossfire(RIP)

[neilson]

I think the word "terrorist" and its derivatives should be banned. It's simply a label that's abused by both sides and doesn't lead to any meaningful discussion.

I'm not annoyed by the topic or its frequency, but I'm annoyed by the trolling. Creating a new forum won't prevent the trolling. I have no idea what kind of anti-trolling policies may be effective.

By trolling, do you mean ignorance? As in, a lack of knowing the actual facts and an unwillingness to spew even the simpliest of talking points?

[afong56]

I got 2 shows that put that theory to dirt.

Hannity and Colmes
Crossfire(RIP)

uh, okay son, you go on believing that. . .

i'm sure that your scripted and censored examples of network programming, featuring professionals, is a wonderful comparison to what happens daily in the ot section of rfd. . .lol
stop watching fox news for your 'reality'

oh, and you'd be a perfect mod, as erudite and knowledgable as you are! :rolleyes:

alas, sleep beckons, so i wish you luck in your goal to be a mod. . .good night and good luck, i should say

[RonyPal]

I think this is only a temporary situation, there are times when there is no discussion of conflict in OP, so now it is overflooding the OT area becuase of recent events but if/when it dies down, ot will be back to normal, i dont know about a WHOLE new permanent section...oit just SEEMS like the demand is needed now because people are posting over and over about the current actions.

[atforum]

I think this is only a temporary situation, there are times when there is no discussion of conflict in OP, so now it is overflooding the OT area becuase of recent events but if/when it dies down, ot will be back to normal, i dont know about a WHOLE new permanent section...oit just SEEMS like the demand is needed now because people are posting over and over about the current actions.

there are always wars going on in this world >:(

[najibs]

there are always wars going on in this world >:(

Hence why we need a separate forum, to direct all that traffic into :cheesygri

[S_G]

Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room.
Not only does that movie rock, but that's exactly what the subforum should be called, The War Room.

[DaVibe]

I think this is only a temporary situation, there are times when there is no discussion of conflict in OP, so now it is overflooding the OT area becuase of recent events but if/when it dies down, ot will be back to normal, i dont know about a WHOLE new permanent section...oit just SEEMS like the demand is needed now because people are posting over and over about the current actions.

I'll agree with that. Need is high now because of the times, fair enough.
Sounds like a moderating nightmare but for the most part, this site is good about reporting and keeping things under control so if anything, shouldn't be anything to worry about.

[Peckerwood]

I think the most important aspect to modding a political/religion forum is dealing primarily with personal attacks and threats that have nothing to do with the discussions at hand.

Time outs...1 week(first)...2 weeks(second)...permanent ban(third)

Hate threads...self explanatory

Troll threads...simple to either lock or delete...locking is better though as it allows others to see what type of specific behaviour isn't tolerated.

Tinfoil threads...these are generally the conspiracy aspect threads that deal with non-uniform consentual thought to current events...threads dealing primarily with concrete dust etc :D

News articles...even these types of threads can create flamefests as noted in the OT

There are lots of things to look out for when modding this kind of forum venue...and it gets worse if ground rules are not enforced daily...sometimes hourly. the people that frequent such threads have varied and sometimes hardened opinions...with those that are intolerant of other opinions and intellectual debate, one naturally will see fighting...then the flames...then the threats...etc

Not an easy task to mod such a forum...and it should not be left to people who have preclivities to anything but neutrality. I have seen some mods delete threads, delete posts, and even outright ban such posters simply because they didn't agree with their posts/threads etc in various forums

Good luck finding someone neutral to mod such a non-neutral venue.

[teknoluv]

Why would it need more moderation than the current moderation of existing political threads in Off Topic?
It's like building a red light district and all the pimps (even those who have not shown up before) will be there, so we need more resources FOR SURE.

Again, if RFD is NOT prepared to do so, then please don't create a lawless zone and damage its already established reputation. Many forums disallow political and religious discussion altogether, so it's okay.

[tlamm]

I say create a subforum. If interest changes, remove the forum.

[NG]

With some members here referring to Rehan as a supporter of Bin Laden because of his politics and the ****** remarks regarding me that keep coming up I'd be tough to find mods for this forum imho.

Edited to add: Instead/in addition to that I'd propose banning personal references to members as opposed to banning political threads all together.

Is it just me or has the "quoting other members" in your signature to discredit them gone *way* overboard?

I've even see someone use a quote from you Ryan to insult another member in their signature.

[NG]

i've changed my mind too...i think it's okay the way things are now

there is usually a surge in topical thread in times of conflict...and then it all subsides and things go back to normal teen discussion, you know like threads about acne, boobies, cougars, and stuff like that

Lets not marginalize the importance of discussing bobbies and cougars.

[ronin893]

By trolling, do you mean ignorance? As in, a lack of knowing the actual facts and an unwillingness to spew even the simpliest of talking points?Can't ban ignorance, otherwise the forum will be too quiet. :) Trolling would be posting an opinion with the intent to provoke a strong reaction and a disinterest in discussing intelligently.

[curtis]

It's also a great way to pass the time.

Can't ban ignorance, otherwise the forum will be too quiet. :) Trolling would be posting an opinion with the intent to provoke a strong reaction and a disinterest in discussing intelligently.

[MrDisco]

I think it's a terrible idea. OT is bad enough as it is.

-are you going to have new mods to pay close attention to this new section?
-will rules be enforced fairly and evenly?
-will mods be prepared to step in and clearly differentiate between factual, informed debates vs personal insults (no matter how minor)?
-do you want the negativity from that forum to spill out into others? (i.e. "oh you said such and such in that forum so I think I will use that against you here"). or more to the point do you want a new forum which is all about some form of hatred?
-why create a forum where the end result is always the same - "this thread has gone on long enough. lock".

Frankly I think the opposite should be done - ban all religious/policitcal debates. There are websites out there that cater to such discussions. Why does RFD need to be a one-stop-shop for all topics under the sun?

Instead of wasting bandwidth on that, why not focus on more consumer related issues or positive sections. i.e:
Product reviews: not just electronic gadgets, but everything from appliances, home improvement, books, etc. If RFD has a much wider (and older) population as they claim then this would be of great interest.
How-To: how-to guides for newbies and experts alike
Pets and Pet care: its not my cup of tea but there has to be alot of animal lovers out there who may be interested in such discussions
Fashion: its been asked for so why not?
Health care: i don't agree with it, but there is value in discussing health issues and treatments.

Bottom line, the above examples are much more rewarding and contribute to the idea of a consumer website then politics and religion does.

[SAS-1]

The masses have spoken... what is your verdict, forum gods? :twisted:

[artsreview]

Bump...

[blackhawk]

overwhelming response to move political/religion out of topic, whats up?

listen to the masses! :)

[patriot]

I voted to remove political / religious discussion from the forum entirely. I just think that through my experience viewing these threads, I found the discussions very polarized with very little objectivity. Eventually resulting in overt or subtle bashing on anyone who doesn't share a posters perspective. While these threads do get plenty of posts, they're usually from the same suspects.

If RFD is unwilling to remove the topics entirely, a seperate forum would suffice. Don't get me wrong, I do read these threads, however mostly from an entertainment prospective.

[gei]

I personally voted "no" for needing a seperate forum for religious/political debate, as I believe it is perfectly suited to the off topic forum.

However it seems like every 5 minutes now one of the anti-Israel types (usually the same bunch of people) is creating a new thread bashing Israel/spreading propoganda/etc... same goes for the people of the opposite view (albeit not quite as much).

Personally I have gotten tired of the issue, as it can be quite easily seen that the people who believe Israel is evil will never be convinced otherwise (and vice-versa). So if nothing else can't we just merge all these endless threads into one big one and let those same people keep posting their propoganda (pro or against) into that thread? It's must easier to ignore one thread than dozens littering the front page.

[Casanova]

I personally voted "no" for needing a seperate forum for religious/political debate, as I believe it is perfectly suited to the off topic forum.

However it seems like every 5 minutes now one of the anti-Israel types (usually the same bunch of people) is creating a new thread bashing Israel/spreading propoganda/etc... same goes for the people of the opposite view (albeit not quite as much).

Personally I have gotten tired of the issue, as it can be quite easily seen that the people who believe Israel is evil will never be convinced otherwise (and vice-versa). So if nothing else can't we just merge all these endless threads into one big one and let those same people keep posting their propoganda (pro or against) into that thread? It's must easier to ignore one thread than dozens littering the front page.


yet you keep replying to them. Your concentration span must be pretty short. :lol:

[NG]

And confirmation as to why gei is on my ignore from Casanova's quote

And this is from someone who is pretty torn on the middle east since I honestly like sympathize with the Isreali stance (how long will we have to deal with terrorists right next door before we do something) and the Lebonnon stance (large numbers of innocent people are suffering because they just happen to live near the areas where terrorists are) so it's not like I have a problem with you on this issue..

However this thread is really not the time or place to talk politics itself.

Let's try to keep it on topic.

[flyguy3bua]

We need a seperate section now more than ever. That would be option A. Plan B would call for a removal of thread-starting privileges from people who are always looking to stir the pot, mid-east topics or otherwise. :arrowu: is the worst of them all.
Third option, the most easy of all, to ban all political topics. Some people may call this censorship, but this is not the best place for these discussions anyways. RDF doesn't have a section 2b or a 1st admendment.

Simple advices to members:
1) Have an agenda? Take it elsewhere and start a blog.
2) Don't feed the troll.

[NG]

We need a seperate section now more than ever. That would be option A. Plan B would call for a removal of thread-starting privileges from people who are always looking to stir the pot, mid-east topics or otherwise. :arrowu: is the worst of them all.

Yep...Because we all know there weren't supporters of Conservatives left, right and centre who called the Liberals liars and theifs when they were in power and generally mock any idelogy that isn't right wing.


Third option, the most easy of all, to ban all political topics. Some people may call this censorship, but this is not the best place for these discussions anyways. RDF doesn't have a section 2b or a 1st admendment.

Entirely possible to do. It is their site.


1) Have an agenda?

Politics is agenda driven. Anyone interested in politics will have an idelogical agenda.

start a blog.

Already done.

2) Don't feed the troll.[/b]

It's interesting that anybody who disagrees with those who support the Conservatives are automatically "trolls". I'm finding there are a lot of right wing "trolls" on the site myself. Or would that be posters with an agenda?

It's also interesting to note that my last post went out of the way to try to be polite and understanding to both sides of the current middle east issue. Honestly trying not to take a swipe at either side however then this guy comes in and takes a swipe at me personally.

It seems those who don't vote left or centre think it's fine to go after posters instead of politicians and political ideologies.

[SAS-1]

...
2) Don't feed the troll.

That doesn't work because the trolls just feed each other. :lol:

[cko64]

How about a Hate forum? I see a lot of hatred and racism going on here in OT forum.

[SAS-1]

Was this poll just for fun?

[hagbard]

I was going to say, I voted in favor of keeping things the way they are now, but it looks like most would like to split off political discussions. I don't see RFDs as a democracy, so you can do what you want, but it looks like most want a change.

[MrDisco]

Was this poll just for fun?

appears that way :|

[will1087]

Mods, why does no-one move every thread Casanova creates (which is clearly anti-israeli)? Instead, they move every thread that criticizes Hezbollah.

Weird, but so much for moderators who actually moderate and don't take a side.

[Rehan]

Mods, why does no-one move every thread Casanova creates (which is clearly anti-israeli)? Instead, they move every thread that criticizes Hezbollah.

Weird, but so much for moderators who actually moderate and don't take a side. You're talking out of your ignorant hat again. There have been just as many threads merged for one side as the other.

If you've got a problem with a thread, report it so the mods see it.

[will1087]

You're talking out of your ignorant hat again. There have been just as many threads merged for one side as the other.

If you've got a problem with a thread, report it so the mods see it.

Ignorant hat again? Thats quite an acqusation - proof?

Jee, lets count the number of pro to anti-israeli threads. I think we both know which theres more of. :rolleyes:

Edit: I retract the statement... somewhat. Mods have done a good job of cleaning it up - just not fast enough to respond to Casanova's propoganda machine.

My apologies rehan - but i'd like to see where i was ignorant. Maybe for not supporting Hezbollah? Or criticizing muslim extremists?

[Irb]

I voted no simply because every thread in the forum will be locked so why bother?

[Rehan]

Ignorant hat again? Thats quite an acqusation - proof? If I did that, it would probably constitute a personal attack against you... so I won't.

If you would like to be a more valuable contributor to the forums, I would suggest using the Report a Post button rather than assuming that the mods are on here 24/7 watching every thread.

[will1087]

If I did that, it would probably constitute a personal attack against you... so I won't.

If you would like to be a more valuable contributor to the forums, I would suggest using the Report a Post button rather than assuming that the mods are on here 24/7 watching every thread.

You can do it through PM/email. I'm very curious.

And when i see you post, i know you're on RFD - but you're right, i shouldn't assume your attention is focused on cleaning up threads.

[bottomfeeder]

I think that if you create a political forum - it should be "no holds barred" - anarchy. If you can't take it then leave. If you don't like something don't participate - noon forces anyone to go into the forum and participate.

If the majority of the people think that one side are terrorists then that is the way it is. THere should not be any sort of censorship because if there is then what is the point of discussing?

Maybe people would like the freedom to abuse one another. The 'culture' of the subforum will eventually develop that would take care of abusers and idiots.

[bmwmini]

If I did that, it would probably constitute a personal attack against you... so I won't.

If you would like to be a more valuable contributor to the forums, I would suggest using the Report a Post button rather than assuming that the mods are on here 24/7 watching every thread.

Report post buttons don't work. I've reported a few off-the wall slanderous and sexual comments and not a single enforced temp-ban for any of them, not even a PM from a mod in my inbox regarding the incidents...

[bottomfeeder]

Report post buttons don't work. I've reported a few off-the wall slanderous and sexual comments and not a single enforced temp-ban for any of them, not even a PM from a mod in my inbox regarding the incidents...


Are we all adults here? Do we have to go running to "mom the mod" to fight our battles for us?

If you don't like something give the person a good beating in the forum - point out the issues and eventually the forum will ignore that person.

[will1087]

Are we all adults here? Do we have to go running to "mom the mod" to fight our battles for us?

If you don't like something give the person a good beating in the forum - point out the issues and eventually the forum will ignore that person.

Moderators moderate for a reason. And wheres my apology - you and konfusion666?

[Casanova]

Are we all adults here? Do we have to go running to "mom the mod" to fight our battles for us?

If you don't like something give the person a good beating in the forum - point out the issues and eventually the forum will ignore that person.


don't feed the trolls////// :lol: