Harper 'supports intolerance' by not attending Outgames says KD Lang [Archive]

ronny1980

Jul 28th, 2006, 10:42 PM

I don't get it.

Whats the point of these outgames? Does being gay or lesbian make you run any faster or slower? I understand that they are trying to promote social change through sport but it seems ironic that on one hand they want equality irregardless of your sexual orientation but on the other hand they create an event only for the lesbian, gay,bisexual,and transgender (LGBT) athletes.

Ahh...nevermind. I was wrong.

Empowerment (PRIDE), the games welcome everyone, regardless of their sexual orientation, age, gender, race, religion, nationality, ethnicity, physical challenge, political beliefs, physical ability, athletic/artistic skills or HIV/ health status. There are no minimum athletic standards to qualify for the Outgames. The only requirement is the desire to support the ideals of the Outgames. People with specific needs or disabilities are integrated as full-fledged participants, volunteers, officials and spectators. By accepting the Outgames' challenge, all Outgames participants automatically become winners.

Very cool Indeed.

bottomfeeder

Jul 28th, 2006, 10:43 PM

Who is KD Lang?
Why is she relevant?

Old 'has been' that still thinks that her thoughts matter.

konfusion666

Jul 28th, 2006, 10:44 PM

http://www.cbc.ca/story/sports/national/2006/07/28/outgames-lang.html

Guess he knows he wouldn't get a warm reception :twisted:

I'm obviously no fan of Steve, but this may be relevant:

Soudas said Public Works Minister Michael Fortier will represent the government at the games along with several Conservative MPs, although he didn't specify which ones.

Prometheus

Jul 28th, 2006, 10:47 PM

Who is KD Lang?
Why is she relevant?

Old 'has been' that still thinks that her thoughts matter.

Exactly...

ethansmith

Jul 28th, 2006, 11:43 PM

Gotta be KD!

--Ethan

P.S. I am interested in knowing where the PM will be during this thing. I want to see what's more important then this. Honestly, I am interested. Maybe something is higher priority and I want to see what.

najibs

Jul 28th, 2006, 11:46 PM

Who is KD Lang?

Coooonstaaaaaant Craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaving.

x86asm

Jul 28th, 2006, 11:49 PM

Exactly...
x2, who cares what she has to say?

Spray

Jul 28th, 2006, 11:50 PM

KD Lang has some balls in saying that with all the PM is dealing with in the world today.

Coooonstaaaaaant Craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaving.

Jul 28th, 2006, 11:52 PM

KD Lang has some balls in saying that with all the PM is dealing with in the world today.

Dealing with?

Aside from taking the side of Bush (per usual) instead of with the world community and leaving our citizens to die in a war zone instead of getting a proper evacuation procedure together from the get go he's not doing that much.

Parliament isn't even in session.

Jul 28th, 2006, 11:53 PM

Jul 28th, 2006, 11:54 PM

I'm obviously no fan of Steve, but this may be relevant:

Somehow I think that if we were having another World Youth Day/Popefest he'd have been able to find the time to make an appearance.

ephemera

Jul 28th, 2006, 11:54 PM

What if they find out one of the gay competitors is found to be straight? Is he booted out?

Firebot

Jul 28th, 2006, 11:56 PM

http://www.cbc.ca/story/sports/national/2006/07/28/outgames-lang.html

Guess he knows he wouldn't get a warm reception :twisted:

Another dellusional anti-Harper thread posted by NG.

Harper has this current duty called TRYING TO GET CANADIAN CITIZENS OUT OF A WAR ZONE! On one hand you have NG bashing Harper for the evacuation situation, yet on the other hand he's bashing Harper for prioritizing the evacuation of Canadians over the gay olympics where no one is in danger of being killed.

Unfrickingbelievable :evil: NG will even take a stab at Harper for trying to prioritize saving lives. Harper has already given the go ahead for Conservative reprensentatives to go to the games, to show the Party's support for the event.

ElChico

Jul 29th, 2006, 12:05 AM

If the Queen can make it to the commonwealth games, the PM should be able to attend the opening cerimony. It's not like Ottawa is that far from Montreal....oh wait, the HoC is on summer holidays, he's probably fishing in Alberta or something more important...

What if they find out one of the gay competitors is found to be straight? Is he booted out?

See post # 5

Prometheus

Jul 29th, 2006, 12:11 AM

So why isn't the Queen present at this event then?

Anyways, the Queen and Prime Minister have completely different roles. As for fishing in Alberta, it's pretty hard to go fishing when you have stranded Canadians to worry about in Lebanon.

If the Queen can make it to the commonwealth games, the PM should be able to attend the opening cerimony. It's not like Ottawa is that far from Montreal....oh wait, the HoC is on summer holidays, he's probably fishing in Alberta or something more important...
See post # 5

Jul 29th, 2006, 12:14 AM

Anyways, the Queen and Prime Minister have completely different roles. As for fishing in Alberta, it's pretty hard to go fishing when you have stranded Canadians to worry about in Lebanon.

Dealing with?

Aside from taking the side of Bush (per usual) instead of with the world community and leaving our citizens to die in a war zone instead of getting a proper evacuation procedure together from the get go he's not doing that much.

Parliament isn't even in session.

Besides I'm sure he could talk with Peter McKay over a cell. It's not like he's in Lebanon stamping passports.

Jul 29th, 2006, 12:15 AM

If the Queen can make it to the commonwealth games, the PM should be able to attend the opening cerimony. It's not like Ottawa is that far from Montreal....

Agreed.

oh wait, the HoC is on summer holidays, he's probably fishing in Alberta or something more important...

They have pro-life rallies/fishing expeditions now?

Spray

Jul 29th, 2006, 12:18 AM

So thats the way you want people running our countries? Discussing one of the biggest Canadian evacuations in history on a cellular phone at a homosexual festival?

It doesn't seem like a serious competition, just an excuse for these people to get together and have some fun and good press. All the power to them, sounds like a really cool affair, but jesus it's not that important that the PM should drop what he's doing in the middle of what's going on just to attend.

Besides I'm sure he could talk with Peter McKay over a cell. It's not like he's in Lebanon stamping passports.

d_jedi

Jul 29th, 2006, 12:20 AM

So.. is the standard now if the Prime Minister attends an event, he supports it, but if he doesn't, he's completely against it? That's what it sounds like to me, and it seems ludicrous.

Is Harper attending the Beaches Jazz Festival this weekend? No? Harper is anti-Jazz!! That intolerant BAS$TARD!

Maybe Harper has better things to do. Maybe he just doesn't like the political message the games may send..

The OutGames includes an International Conference on LGBT Human Rights held in Montreal immediately prior to the games themselves, from July 26 to July 29.

If those "rights" include gay marriage - which Harper opposes - why would he want to attend? That would make no sense..

Txiasaeia

Jul 29th, 2006, 12:21 AM

Even in peacetime, why should the PM be forced to attend such an event? Is it mandatory that the PM of Canada should attend every event catering to every minority in the country?

Prometheus

Jul 29th, 2006, 12:21 AM

This was the largest mass exodus in Canadian history from a warzone.

I'm sure there was much more work that had to be done than just "stamping passports".

Besides I'm sure he could talk with Peter McKay over a cell. It's not like he's in Lebanon stamping passports.

conman7331

Jul 29th, 2006, 12:22 AM

i hate stephen harper. BRING BACK JEAN CRETIAN

bionicbadger

Jul 29th, 2006, 12:31 AM

KD Lang is a gay, vegetarian, PETA supporter.

Harper is obviously the devil since he eats meat and supports the seal hunt in addition to not watching the outgames.

He should kick her ass.

jimi

Jul 29th, 2006, 12:31 AM

He said it conflicts with his schedule.
In this situation especially, Harper would have gotten a bad rap no matter what he did. When he's not going, people complain, if he did go, people would say it's a PR stunt. If he's got real work to do, I say let him do it.
At least he's not acting like Bush, who met with the American Idol contestants today...

Jul 29th, 2006, 12:34 AM

This was the largest mass exodus in Canadian history from a warzone.

and he left them there to die there for days. Left Canadian citizens. Left men, women and children to die. Until the public outcry to their incompetence demanded they do something.

Answer me this: What is Harper *personally* responsible for that he couldn't delegate effectively to McKay or somebody else?

The fact his the only thing he could have done that would have been expected for the role of Prime Minister of Canada was to be an honest broker - but he shot that down by taking the Geroge Bush position from literally day one - yet again.

ElChico

Jul 29th, 2006, 12:34 AM

So why isn't the Queen present at this event then?

Anyways, the Queen and Prime Minister have completely different roles. As for fishing in Alberta, it's pretty hard to go fishing when you have stranded Canadians to worry about in Lebanon.

It would be appropiate that the Queen be there.. :D

Do you know what he was doing today? I don't...I know what he did two days ago.

26 July 2006
HOPEWELL CAPE, NEW BRUNSWICK � Prime Minister Stephen Harper today announced that Canada�s new government has renewed funding for the Atlantic Canada Tourism Partnership (ACTP) for a three-year period.

And apparently he didn't do anything yesterday...

They have pro-life rallies/fishing expeditions now?

Maybe...there's a CPC Softball game in BC tomorrow....

162

Jul 29th, 2006, 12:36 AM

KD Lang is a gay, vegetarian, PETA supporter.

Harper is obviously the devil since he eats meat and supports the seal hunt in addition to not watching the outgames.

He should kick her ass.

Agreed - like he kicked the liberals ass!

Ferman

Jul 29th, 2006, 12:40 AM

d_jedi

Jul 29th, 2006, 12:41 AM

Maybe I should invite the prime minister to our local counter-strike lan party, and complain like hell if he doesn't show up.
Harper doesn't support the (virtual) war on terrorism!! :D

Prometheus

Jul 29th, 2006, 12:44 AM

and he left them there to die there for days. Left Canadian citizens. Left men, women and children to die. Until the public outcry to their incompetence demanded they do something.

Even if the Canadian government had immediately dispatched some frigates and the supply ship, it would have taken at least 2 weeks to reach Lebanon. Don't forget a couple days to recall the sailors and prepare the ships.
Anyways, they would have reached Lebanon around now. And according to news, the lineups having dramatically shortened.

Unlike the US, Canada doesn't have a superior navy that has ships scattered throughout the world ready to be called upon at moment's notice.

As for recruiting foreign cruise ships, companies don't just lend their million dollar cruise ships to go back and forth in a warzone.

ElChico

Jul 29th, 2006, 12:45 AM

So, does the organizer of the special olympics expect the prime minister to attend their games?

Why does every special interest group expect the head of the country to attend their little organized event? Isn't there more important things for the head of a nation to be doing?

Maybe I should invite the prime minister to our local counter-strike lan party, and complain like hell if he doesn't show up.

This is a major international event...13,000 athletes...And with regards to the last special Olympics..they were opened by Nelson Mandela and the President of Ireland Mary McAleese....So looks like you got served...or whatever you kids say now-a-days...

Jul 29th, 2006, 12:47 AM

It would be appropiate that the Queen be there.. :D

Do you know what he was doing today? I don't...I know what he did two days ago.

26 July 2006
HOPEWELL CAPE, NEW BRUNSWICK � Prime Minister Stephen Harper today announced that Canada�s new government has renewed funding for the Atlantic Canada Tourism Partnership (ACTP) for a three-year period.

And apparently he didn't do anything yesterday...

He sounds real busy getting our citizens out of a war zone :rolleyes:

Maybe...there's a CPC Softball game in BC tomorrow....

Wonder how many there are closet "pitchers and catchers" :twisted:

Ferman

Jul 29th, 2006, 12:47 AM

This is a major international event...13,000 athletes...And with regards to the last special Olympics..they were opened by Nelson Mandela and the President of Ireland Mary McAleese....So looks like you got served...or whatever you kids say now-a-days...

I didn't mean to belittle the speacial olympics, but I meant to imply that special interest groups that demand that world leaders attend are being a bit pretentious.

ElChico

Jul 29th, 2006, 12:50 AM

I didn't mean to belittle the speacial olympics, but I meant to imply that special interest groups that demand that world leaders attend are being a bit pretentious.

That's fine...it was the way I read it...

The point is that it is the norm for the leader of the host nation to attend these kind of events.

Jul 29th, 2006, 12:51 AM

Even if the Canadian government had immediately dispatched some frigates and the supply ship, it would have taken at least 2 weeks to reach Lebanon. Don't forget a couple days to recall the sailors and prepare the ships.

What was that country who used text messaging to get their citizens out asap? Sweden?...Something like that. But it appears that Harper was content to use morse code to get Canadians out.

I wonder if his interest would have increased if more of them were white.

Jul 29th, 2006, 12:53 AM

That's fine...it was the way I read it...

The point is that it is the norm for the leader of the host nation to attend these kind of events.

Considering the poster you quoted I'm not suprised.

Ever wonder if they take their meds Ferman? (to quote what you said to me).

Spray

Jul 29th, 2006, 12:53 AM

By athletes you mean...any random person that wants to come and compete for fun? It's a cool concept, but usually leaders go to the serious sporting events, not these excuses for a party.

"Empowerment (PRIDE), the games welcome everyone, regardless of their sexual orientation, age, gender, race, religion, nationality, ethnicity, physical challenge, political beliefs, physical ability, athletic/artistic skills or HIV/ health status. There are no minimum athletic standards to qualify for the Outgames. The only requirement is the desire to support the ideals of the Outgames. People with specific needs or disabilities are integrated as full-fledged participants, volunteers, officials and spectators. By accepting the Outgames' challenge, all Outgames participants automatically become winners."

This is a major international event...13,000 athletes...And with regards to the last special Olympics..they were opened by Nelson Mandela and the President of Ireland Mary McAleese....So looks like you got served...or whatever you kids say now-a-days...

Ferman

Jul 29th, 2006, 12:57 AM

Considering the poster you quoted I'm not suprised.

Ever wonder if they take their meds Ferman? (to quote what you said to me).

In light of these recents threads..maybe you need to start renewing your prescriptions?

Prometheus

Jul 29th, 2006, 12:59 AM

And how many people did the Swedish government have to plan an evacuation for?

What was that country who used text messaging to get their citizens out asap? Sweden?...Something like that. But it appears that Harper was content to use morse code to get Canadians out.

Ferman

Jul 29th, 2006, 12:59 AM

By athletes you mean...any random person that wants to come and compete for fun? It's a cool concept, but usually leaders go to the serious sporting events, not these excuses for a party.

Ahh.. but as soon as you mention any event remotely associated with gay/lesbian/transwhatever it automatically means that heads of state and royalty must attend.. or they are accused of not supporting "equality".

Spray

Jul 29th, 2006, 01:00 AM

looks like around 6000..compared to our 45,000.
Not to mention Sweden is a little closer to Lebanon than we are.

And how many people did the Swedish government have to plan an evacuation for?

gorf

Jul 29th, 2006, 01:01 AM

ElChico

Jul 29th, 2006, 01:02 AM

By athletes you mean...any random person that wants to come and compete for fun? It's a cool concept, but usually leaders go to the serious sporting events, not these excuses for a party.

This will be the second largest international event ever held in Quebec, Top 10 in all of Canada, he doesn't have anything better to do he should attend for the one day.

Wonder how many there are closet "pitchers and catchers"

Smart money is on Stockwell Day :)

Prometheus

Jul 29th, 2006, 01:05 AM

Ahh.. but as soon as you mention any event remotely associated with gay/lesbian/transwhatever it automatically means that heads of state and royalty must attend.. or they are accused of not supporting "equality".

That's the sad part. If you don't do everything they demand, then you're labelled as "intolerant" and a ton of other words...

Ferman

Jul 29th, 2006, 01:06 AM

Is there anything preventing a gay or lesbian person from competing in current olympic summer/winter games? I don't think so.

Yet another attempt at that community to make a big deal out of nothing.

Prometheus

Jul 29th, 2006, 01:09 AM

Does anyone know what world leaders will be in attendance? I'm sure there should be an official delegation from all the countries represented. Too bad PM Harper won't be in attendence to greet them.

Funny the media didn't say who was coming. :confused:

Don't worry, the media *knows* all to well the world leaders that will attend. I'm sure they will be announced.

Jul 29th, 2006, 01:10 AM

And how many people did the Swedish government have to plan an evacuation for?

The point is they started acting right away as opposed to Harper who just left them there to die.

Ferman

Jul 29th, 2006, 01:12 AM

The point is they started acting right away as opposed to Harper who just left them there to die.

Damn that Harper.. it was his fault that they were there in the first place.

ElChico

Jul 29th, 2006, 01:13 AM

Does anyone know what world leaders will be in attendance? I'm sure there should be an official delegation from all the countries represented. Too bad PM Harper won't be in attendence to greet them.

Funny the media didn't say who was coming. :confused:

These are the Key-Note Speaker (a selected list)

As for attendees, you'll probably find out tomorrow.

Mr. G�rald TREMBLAY, Mayor of Montr�al (Canada)
Mr. Yvon MARCOUX, Minister of Justice of Qu�bec (Canada)
Ms. Louise ARBOUR, United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights, Geneva (Canada)
Ms. Rosanna FLAMER-CALDERA U.N. (Sri Lanka)
Mr. Philipp BRAUN U.N.(Germany)
Edwin CAMERON, Judge of Appeal, Supreme Court of Appeal (South Africa)
Eugenio Ra�l ZAFFARONI, Judge, Supreme Court of Justice of the Nation (Argentina)
Maria BERENICE DIAS
Appellate Judge, Court of Justice, State of Rio Grande do Sul (Brazil)
Ms. Patria JIM�NEZ
Substitute Senator, former Member of the Chamber of Deputies, federal Congress (Mexico)
Ms. Epsy CAMPBELL BARR
Member of the Legislative Assembly (Costa Rica)
Mr. Michael KIRBY, Justice, High Court of Australia (Australia)
Ms. Hina JILANI
Special representative of the UN Secretary General on Human rights defenders (Pakistan)
Ms. LI Yin-He
Head of Sociology of Marriage and Family Section, Institute of Sociology, Chinese Academy of Social Sciences (China)
Ms. Georgina BEYER
The world's first transsexual Member of Parliament (New Zealand)
Mr. Waheed ALLI
Businessman and member of the House of Lords (United Kingdom)
Ms. Claire L'HEUREUX-DUB�
Justice of the Supreme Court of Canada (1987 - 2002)
Mr. Martin CAUCHON
Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada (2002-2003)
Martana Navratilova
Mark TEWKSBURY

Prometheus

Jul 29th, 2006, 01:13 AM

The point is they started acting right away as opposed to Harper who just left them there to die.

You mean they "publicly" acted right away...

I wonder what you would have posted if Canada had declared that they had secued passage for the same number of passengers as the Swedish on the same day Sweden made their announcement :?:

Ferman

Jul 29th, 2006, 01:16 AM

These are the Key-Note Speaker (a selected list)

As for attendees, you'll probably find out tomorrow.

Mr. G�rald TREMBLAY, Mayor of Montr�al (Canada)
...
Mark TEWKSBURY

What? Where are those intolerant Hezbollah? Or the homophobic Iranian leaders?

gorf

Jul 29th, 2006, 01:16 AM

Don't worry, the media *knows* all to well the world leaders that will attend. I'm sure they will be announced.

There's 120 countries represented so I'm expecting 120 world leaders to be in attendence!

ElChico

Jul 29th, 2006, 01:17 AM

What? Where are those intolerant Hezbollah? Or the homophobic Iranian leaders?

I think you're in the wrong thread....And there is a Lebonese GLTG rep speaking aswell.

Ferman

Jul 29th, 2006, 01:19 AM

....And there is a Lebonese GLTG rep speaking aswell.

Thank goodness.. now I can sleep well tonight.

Crotchety Old Man

Jul 29th, 2006, 01:20 AM

Yeah, yeah - Harper's never going to go to the OutGames - he'd get booed and perhaps even outed (anybody see his pic on the cover of this month's Reader's Digest - I'd swear the guy's wearing lipstick) - I've got no problem with him skipping that event.

What is truly shameful though, is the fact that he's skipping the big AIDS conference being hosted by Canada next month...

gorf

Jul 29th, 2006, 01:21 AM

:D

Anyways, I hope they all have fun. :cheesygri

ElChico

Jul 29th, 2006, 01:24 AM

Prometheus

Jul 29th, 2006, 01:28 AM

Another evacuee said she was "ashamed to be Canadian" and regretted the apparently arduous journey.

"If I knew that it was going to be like this, I would have stayed in Lebanon under the bombs," said Roula Karbash. "It would be easier."

I wonder if that was just an impulsive response. Now that Roula Karbash has had some time to calm down and not worry about bombs being dropped from above, wonder if Roula would like to change the statement :?:

Jul 29th, 2006, 01:28 AM

You mean they "publicly" acted right away...

I wonder what you would have posted if Canada had declared that they had secued passage for the same number of passengers as the Swedish on the same day Sweden made their announcement :?:

So you're wondering what I would think about a hypothetical?

Good God. If that's all you have to defend Harper and condemn me that's pathetic.

If you didn't see the half assed attept at a rescue during the opening days when other countries were doing so much more you must be blinded by "The Glory of Harper".

Amen.

Jul 29th, 2006, 01:30 AM

Is Stephen Harper a closet homosexual?
With the American xtian right trying to save us from yet another gay cartoon character, under the dictatorship of James Dobson, an American religious extremist who is sticking his holy nose into the Canadian same sex marriage issue, and the strong stance that Stephen Harper has taken against same sex marriage, one has to wonder if Stephen is not harbouring some deep unfulfilled sexual urges. Now I'm not saying that Stephen is gay, there is no evidence that he has even masturbated, but looking at the pictures below of the supposedly gay Spongebob Squarepants and Stephen Harper, the resemblance is striking. Now we all know that the man, James Dobson, who was so kind to warn parents about a gay sponge, would not lie, so I'm going to let the pictures speak for itself. IS STEPHEN HARPER AND SPONGEBOB SQUAREPANTS GAY??? You be the judge.
http://www.valleyskeptic.com/spongebob_narrowweb__200x270.jpg
http://www.valleyskeptic.com/stephen_harper.gif

http://www.valleyskeptic.com/harper_sponge.html

Prometheus

Jul 29th, 2006, 01:35 AM

My responses to the challenges Canada faced can be found in my prior messages. And I would like to know how you would have responded to the question I posed earlier. Wouldn't you have then started posting messages like who Canada decides will live and who will die etc...?

Would have been nice to have seen a huge aircraft carrier arrive and swoop up 5,000 people eh? Unfortunately, we don't have any aircraft carriers. As for the rest of our navy, you can google around and find how limited it is.

So you're wondering what I would think about a hypothetical?

Good God. If that's all you have to defend Harper and condemn me that's pathetic.

If you didn't see the half assed attept at a rescue during the opening days when other countries were doing so much more you must be blinded by "The Glory of Harper".

Amen.

Daffyd

Jul 29th, 2006, 01:36 AM

I wouldn't expect someone who is planning to try to invalidate Gay marriage to attend the OutGames... Amazing that anyone thinks Harper is actually tolerant at all...

His not attending the AIDS Conference in Toronto fits perfectly with his "George Junior" routine. Be tough, be decisive, make Gays and Lesbians the number one enemy of "the family"...

Pitiful. :evil:

gorf

Jul 29th, 2006, 01:56 AM

I wonder if that was just an impulsive response. Now that Roula Karbash has had some time to calm down and not worry about bombs being dropped from above, wonder if Roula would like to change the statement :?:

Somehow I don't think so. To even come out with such a statement is disturbing and to prefer the hell of war over puke on a boat says alot about her character.

Jul 29th, 2006, 02:03 AM

My responses to the challenges Canada faced can be found in my prior messages. And I would like to know how you would have responded to the question I posed earlier.

Would have been nice to have seen a huge aircraft carrier arrive and swoop up 5,000 people eh? Unfortunately, we don't have any aircraft carriers.

1) I'm not going to answer pedantic hypothetical questions. If you think I'm enough of a ****** to pull a "Mike Dukakis" then I'm washing my hands of you.

2) I'm really baffled someone would actually contend that Canada's evacuation of our citizens was up to par after seeing those photos and hearing evacuees saying that they felt stranded there compared to other countries.

This is what the Cons do.

First it was "he's too busy" with the middle east issue. They go on and on. Post after post trying to cloud the issue. Till....OOPS! Day before yesterday he was announcing a funding program!

And yesterday he had so much to do they that he took the day off.

So now they ramble on about hypotheticals.

A Halifax man trapped in Lebanon spent Tuesday looking for a wedding ring in an attempt to hasten his escape from the strife-torn country.

Spencer Osberg told CBC News he plans to pretend he's married so he can leave with his German-born girlfriend.

"We're trying to find someone who can hook us up with a fake marriage certificate so I can get on the German evacuation list," he said.

In an interview with CBC News hours later, he said he had married his girlfriend, but admitted it wasn't official.

If that doesn't show our anaemic our evacuation was then I guess I'll have to pull up all the quotes from Canadians stranded there who said they felt like they were just left there when other countries were pulling their people out.

3) Anybody got a timeline of which countries started pulling out it's citizens first?

d_jedi

Jul 29th, 2006, 04:06 AM

1) I'm not going to answer pedantic hypothetical questions. If you think I'm enough of a ****** to pull a "Mike Dukakis" then I'm washing my hands of you.

2) I'm really baffled someone would actually contend that Canada's evacuation of our citizens was up to par after seeing those photos and hearing evacuees saying that they felt stranded there compared to other countries.

This is what the Cons do.

First it was "he's too busy" with the middle east issue. They go on and on. Post after post trying to cloud the issue. Till....OOPS! Day before yesterday he was announcing a funding program!

And yesterday he had so much to do they that he took the day off.

So now they ramble on about hypotheticals.

If that doesn't show our anaemic our evacuation was then I guess I'll have to pull up all the quotes from Canadians stranded there who said they felt like they were just left there when other countries were pulling their people out.

3) Anybody got a timeline of which countries started pulling out it's citizens first?
I think we were really about a day behind in planning to get our people out.. the rest of the delays were really because we don't have the capacity to get our ships over there in a timely manner, so we had to contract out some.

Luckily, it appears our delay does not appear to have had any real negative consequences (ie. injury or death) for our citizens who were in Lebanon..

CheapScotsman

Jul 29th, 2006, 04:32 AM

wrt our evacuation out of lebanon ... why would anybody expect to rely on the government (liberal, conservative or otherwise) in times of imminent trouble? The are mostly useless when it comes to long lead time stuff never mind emergencies

asim99

Jul 29th, 2006, 06:58 AM

This was the largest mass exodus in Canadian history from a warzone.

I'm sure there was much more work that had to be done than just "stamping passports".
he did more than that...he cheered the country that murdered his citizens

asim99

Jul 29th, 2006, 07:02 AM

This is a major international event...13,000 athletes...And with regards to the last special Olympics..they were opened by Nelson Mandela and the President of Ireland Mary McAleese....So looks like you got served...or whatever you kids say now-a-days...
honestly, why would anyone expect this homophobic guy harper to attend

ElChico

Jul 29th, 2006, 07:19 AM

Would have been nice to have seen a huge aircraft carrier arrive and swoop up 5,000 people eh? Unfortunately, we don't have any aircraft carriers. As for the rest of our navy, you can google around and find how limited it is.

Well you could fit 5,000 evacuees on an Aircraft carrier, but then who's going to drive the boat? I think what you are looking for is an Amphibious Assult Ship like a landing platform dock...regardless, The RN sent both, however moving a few hundred people at a time is not as good as moving a thousand in leased cruise ships.

Further, I am aware of the RCN's abilities, are you suggesting that Canada acquire numerous Aircraft Carriers to position around the world just incase they are needed for search and rescue? You do realise how much they cost to build and operate? Or are you speaking of some other limitation?

With respect to Harper attending, the organizers probably should have asked Michele Jean to open it instead (If she is not already attending)

Shaner

Jul 29th, 2006, 08:50 AM

Why do people still listen to NG? He's a troll, nothing more!

Reading his posts actually make my IQ go down.

asim99

Jul 29th, 2006, 08:55 AM

Why do people still listen to NG? He's a troll, nothing more!

Reading his posts actually make my IQ go down.
one can argue you are acting like a troll yourself by posting this kind of stuff

and NG is definitely not a troll...he's a member of our rfd community who feels strongly about what he believes in, and ignores people who attacking him personally

162

Jul 29th, 2006, 09:11 AM

one can argue you are acting like a troll yourself by posting this kind of stuff

and NG is definitely not a troll...he's a member of our rfd community who feels strongly about what he believes in, and ignores people who attacking him personally

You just added your name to the list.

asim99

Jul 29th, 2006, 09:15 AM

You just added your name to the list.
you just added yours

flyguy3bua

Jul 29th, 2006, 09:32 AM

NG is definitely not a troll...he's a member of our rfd community who feels strongly about what he believes in, and ignores people who attacking him personally

NG definitely is a troll...he's an extremist in our rfd community who feels strongly against anything having to do with conservatives, and ignores people who believe in common sense.

So what if Harper didn't show up to the event? I didn't attend the Outgames either, so I guess I'm intolerant too.
Hey NG, did you go to the Outgames yourself? Or did you "support intolerance" by not attending it?

asim99

Jul 29th, 2006, 10:08 AM

NG definitely is a troll...he's an extremist in our rfd community who feels strongly against anything having to do with conservatives, and ignores people who believe in common sense.
i suspect your are a conservative, and may be considered as extremist conservative by the people on the other side...you didn't prove anything other than that you are as much a troll as he is

enough with personal attacks!

Ferman

Jul 29th, 2006, 10:24 AM

Why do people still listen to NG? He's a troll, nothing more!

Reading his posts actually make my IQ go down.

I see more and more agreement with your statement.. with the exception of a few extreme left wing-nuts on this site..

asim99

Jul 29th, 2006, 10:27 AM

here comes another right wing troll :arrowu:
and i am sure they'll keep coming (see the next post :arrowd: ), like a group of bees attacking

as regards shaner blaming his low iq on NG's post...i hate to break it to ya shaner, it's always been this low (NG or no NG) :cheesygri

Ferman

Jul 29th, 2006, 10:29 AM

here comes another right wing troll :arrowu:
and i am sure they'll keep coming, like a group of bees attacking

as regards shaner blaming his low iq on NG's post...i hate to break it to ya shaner, it's always been this low (NG or no NG) :cheesygri
:arrowu:

Spoken like a true hard core leftwing-nut.

afong56

Jul 29th, 2006, 10:33 AM

I see more and more agreement with your statement.. with the exception of a few extreme left wing-nuts on this site..

frankly, there are as many (or more) right wing nuts on this board than leftists. . .they are as easily identifiable as the lefties, and conduct themselves in an identical manner to their ideological/political opposites--they post in every politically related thread, and spout polemicisms as facile as the extreme leftists on rfd--to decry one group without acknowledging the other, is faulty.

on to the op:

why is anyone surprised that harper did this? he didn't exactly campaign on a liberal social policy, did he? he openly courted the neo-cons and religious right. . .it would have been surprising if he did show up. yes, he now has the role of pm, but for him to come out (pun intended) and renounce the social conservatism that got him (partly) elected would be seen as a rebuke by his loyalists--something that most politicians would not do (political suicide)

konfusion666

Jul 29th, 2006, 11:35 AM

frankly, there are as many (or more) right wing nuts on this board than leftists. . .they are as easily identifiable as the lefties, and conduct themselves in an identical manner to their ideological/political opposites--they post in every politically related thread, and spout polemicisms as facile as the extreme leftists on rfd--to decry one group without acknowledging the other, is faulty.

Fortunately, the people you're referring to (i.e. Ferman, neilson) probably didn't understand anything you just said, or they'd be posting unwitty one-liners in all your future threads like they currently do to asim and NG. :lol:

Ferman

Jul 29th, 2006, 03:13 PM

Fortunately, the people you're referring to (i.e. Ferman, neilson) probably didn't understand anything you just said, or they'd be posting unwitty one-liners in all your future threads like they currently do to asim and NG. :lol:

ohh.. I'm so afraid of big words. Don't worry buddy, I had to understand more than you know to earn the BSc degree hanging on my wall.

You can go back to trolling now.

konfusion666

Jul 29th, 2006, 03:16 PM

blah blah blah

Don't worry... everyone on this forum knows how much of a troll you really are... especially after that debacle with you bashing the moderators on the Gabbly channel.

What was that again, you said Rehan was a supporter of Al-Qaeda?

Perhaps I should add that to my signature just so everyone can see, on a regular basis, how much of a troll certain right-wing nutjobs really are. :twisted: