New Star Trek Movie "Star Trek XI" - 05.08.09

[Carpe Diem]

Cool. :cool:

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/2922/ishackimage.jpg

[Blunt]

BAhahahhahahwwahhahaawaaw! :lol:

[Xon]

To Matt Damon, I say:

http://shatneriskirk.ytmnd.com

Because we all know who the REAL Kirk is. :D

[Crotchety Old Man]

Can't wait!

(Though that Matt Damon thing is a pretty stale and unsubstantiated rumour - though he'd be okay in my book...)

[Mr. Robo]

This movie is gonna suck just like the rest of the Star Trek series.

[B0000rt]

J.J. Abrams eh?

I think it'll be good if he's directing..

I mean
Felicity..
Alias (the first season or so)
Lost!

[thelefteyeguy]

havent read anything on this...but i hope it doesnt turn into a big fat reunion show like the previous movies.

stick with the plot

[bmwmini]

Comming?

[Amourek]

Michael Giacchino is doing the score according to IMDB. Another guy from Lost.

[Carpe Diem]

Comming?

It's better than Cuming. :)

[Rometiklan]

I'll be keeping an eye on this bit of news, but 2008 seems like a long ways off.

[pfdude]

Johnny Depp as Spock?? hahah that would be funny if true

[Crotchety Old Man]

...and Tommy Lee Jones is set to play Dr. McCoy...

[Defiant]

I like the poster; its simple, but defintely illicits interest.

I am disappointed that they are recasting the original. I grew up in the TNG/DS9 era and while I watched 'ghetto trek,' it wasnt the same.

With that said though, I dont think a mixed cast movie(since TNG is dead) would make any money. I dont know if this will either.

All I want is a DS9 mini-series damnit.

[Crotchety Old Man]

Nerd alert:

Who was the first captain of the Enterprise?

[B0000rt]

Nerd alert:

Who was the first captain of the Enterprise?
Which Enterprise?

HMS Enterprise (there are many)? Space Shuttle Enterprise? USS Enterprise(there are many)? NX-01? NCC-1701, A, B, C, D, E, J?

Did I miss any?

[Defiant]

hahaha nice

You forgot the ISS Enterprise from the mirror universe.

Which Enterprise?

HMS Enterprise (there are many)? Space Shuttle Enterprise? USS Enterprise(there are many)? NX-01? NCC-1701, A, B, C, D, E, J?

Did I miss any?

[B0000rt]

hahaha nice

You forgot the ISS Enterprise from the mirror universe.
You and your DS9 mirror universe!

[Crotchety Old Man]

Which Enterprise?

HMS Enterprise (there are many)? Space Shuttle Enterprise? USS Enterprise(there are many)? NX-01? NCC-1701, A, B, C, D, E, J?

Did I miss any?
Okay, okay - you win the nerd contest!

http://lakeview.esu7.org/business/ComputerApps2004/K.%20Kinzer/Sci%20Club%20Web%20Page/Picture10.jpg

(For those still playing, I was referring to Capt. Kirk's Enterprise...)

[B0000rt]

Okay, okay - you win the nerd contest!

http://lakeview.esu7.org/business/ComputerApps2004/K.%20Kinzer/Sci%20Club%20Web%20Page/Picture10.jpg

(For those still playing, I was referring to Capt. Kirk's Enterprise...)
That's a horrible hot glue gun job!

[Crotchety Old Man]

That's a horrible hot glue gun job!
I was in a hurry to respond to your post...

[st7860]

Nerd alert:

Who was the first captain of the Enterprise?

B40

[puff_daddy_58_99]

Christopher Pike was the answer he was looking for. Captain Pike was played by Jeffrey Hunter in the original pilot episode of TOS. Can I get a nerd award too?

[Crotchety Old Man]

Christopher Pike was the answer he was looking for. Captain Pike was played by Jeffrey Hunter in the original pilot episode of TOS. Can I get a nerd award too?
Surprisingly, no. There was one other captain of the Enterprise before Pike...

[Amourek]

John Archer *shudder*

[B0000rt]

Tiberius Chase?

[Rometiklan]

Captain April. Easy.

[ElChico]

Captain April. Easy.

April was not Roddenberry certified. He was in some Comic book and is not proper canon. I say Capt Pike

[Carpe Diem]

John Archer *shudder*

That would be my guess too.

[Carpe Diem]

John Archer *shudder*

That would be my guess.

How the hell did that happen. :confused:

[Rometiklan]

April was not Roddenberry certified. He was in some Comic book and is not proper canon. I say Capt Pike

Didn't Captain Christopher Pike mention Captain April in the very first Star Trek pilot episode, "The Cage"? If so, then it is canon since Roddenberry himself wrote that particular episode.

As well, in the Star Trek Animated series, the episode ANI 22023, they established that Robert T. April was the first captain of the USS Enterprise NCC-1701 during her initial 5 year mission. Some dispute whether the Animated series was actually canon, but since Roddenberry oversaw its production as Executive Producer and D.C. Fontana was a writer and editor on this series, I tend to lean towards TAS being canonical.

[ElChico]

Didn't Captain Christopher Pike mention Captain April in the very first Star Trek pilot episode, "The Cage"? If so, then it is canon since Roddenberry himself wrote that particular episode.

As well, in the Star Trek Animated series, the episode ANI 22023, they established that Robert T. April was the first captain of the USS Enterprise NCC-1701 during her initial 5 year mission. Some dispute whether the Animated series was actually canon, but since Roddenberry oversaw its production as Executive Producer and D.C. Fontana was a writer and editor on this series, I tend to lean towards TAS being canonical.

If Pike mentioned April on the show, then I'll conceed, I won't like it, but I'll accept it.

[Crotchety Old Man]

John Archer *shudder*
Good God NO!

[Crotchety Old Man]

Captain April. Easy.
Bing, bing, bing - We have a winner!

Captain Robert April.

Thanx to all who came out, but the nerd crown goes to Rometiklan:

http://www.cafenerd.com/PropellerBeanieRev3.jpg

All hail King Nerdicus!

[Rometiklan]

Thanks, COM. I'd like to thank all the little people who made this all possible. I'd also like to thank my parents, the Great Bird of the Galaxy, and of course, Chuck Norris. :D

Um, you don't actually own that cap, do you COM? Cuz that's just plain scary. :D

[felix]

I thought it was Captain Christopher Pike also. I remember those Star Trek trading cards I used to collect. I paid lots of money for them, and still have them all in mint condition. I wonder if they're worth more now or less?

[Crotchety Old Man]

I thought it was Captain Christopher Pike also.
You should be happy! Not knowing the answer is an indicator of a healthy social life outside the Star Trek universe...

[callous]

What is roughly the storyline for this movie.

[Crotchety Old Man]

What is roughly the storyline for this movie.
I heard it was early days of Kirk and Spock...

[Carpe Diem]

Bing, bing, bing - We have a winner!
Captain Robert April.
Thanx to all who came out, but the nerd crown goes to Rometiklan:
ll hail King Nerdicus!

Do you mean First to appear on TV or first time line?

Captain April was the 1st Capt. on the USS Enterprise Class NCC-1701, but if you go by time line, Archer would be the first Capt. They even said it in the first couple of episodes of Enterprise. He was the first Captain of a NX Class star ship named "Enterprise".

[tjuzer]

Why not Willam Shatner?

[Crotchety Old Man]

Do you mean First to appear on TV or first time line?

Captain April was the 1st Capt. on the USS Enterprise Class NCC-1701, but if you go by time line, Archer would be the first Capt. They even said it in the first couple of episodes of Enterprise. He was the first Captain of a NX Class star ship named "Enterprise".
How dare you bring up that abomination of a series and that Quantum Leap hack of a captain! We were discussing the real Star Trek...

[porphyra]

Why not Willam Shatner?

I know. The Shat rules. Even if he almost 80. :) Go Shat......

[Carpe Diem]

How dare you bring up that abomination of a series and that Quantum Leap hack of a captain! We were discussing the real Star Trek...

:eek:

I felt a "Kirk Two handed clutched fist to the back" as you said that.

[Crotchety Old Man]

:eek:

I felt a "Kirk Two handed clutched fist to the back" as you said that.
Spock's comin' at ya next, if ya keep talkin' that crazy talk...

http://members.cox.net/goldkeystartrek/st6.jpg

[thelefteyeguy]

What is roughly the storyline for this movie.

:lol: story line of next movie?...the search for the first captain :cheesygri

[Crotchety Old Man]

:lol: story line of next movie?...the search for the first captain :cheesygri
That's both funny and not a bad idea...

[Rometiklan]

Is Rick Berman attached to this project? If he is, I have very little faith this would be the kind of movie fans would want to see. Still, I'll hold out a little glimmer.

[Ojam]

As much as I love Trek, I think they are going in the wrong direction, I think there will be a lot of people opposed to replacing the Original series actors with new younger actors. I think they should maybe fallow Riker on his ship, or even make a voyager movie. Something that is already established. A movie about the Enterprise B, or C would also be cool, both have been looked at in either the movies or a series (B in Generations, C in TNG episode)

[Rometiklan]

As much as I love Trek, I think they are going in the wrong direction, I think there will be a lot of people opposed to replacing the Original series actors with new younger actors.

You know, in a nutshell, you expressed exactly how I was feeling about Star Trek XI. I very much resent and oppose this idea of using new actors to play such iconic characters as Kirk, Spock, and McCoy, et al. Trek needs to explore new avenues. Going backwards shouldn't be what Trek is all about. I think Enterprise would have proved that.

[Rometiklan]

You should be happy! Not knowing the answer is an indicator of a healthy social life outside the Star Trek universe...

Um, you knew the answer. What does that say about you? :D

[Montague]

You know, in a nutshell, you expressed exactly how I was feeling about Star Trek XI. I very much resent and oppose this idea of using new actors to play such iconic characters as Kirk, Spock, and McCoy, et al. Trek needs to explore new avenues. Going backwards shouldn't be what Trek is all about. I think Enterprise would have proved that.
I personally thought the show "Enterprise" was better than alot of people give it credit for.

Yes it had an awful awful awful beginning - but I think the show was fairly good in the 3rd/4th seasons.

[gilboman]

How dare you bring up that abomination of a series and that Quantum Leap hack of a captain! We were discussing the real Star Trek...

enterprise was great..especially season 3 onwards ;)

[gilboman]

I personally thought the show "Enterprise" was better than alot of people give it credit for.

Yes it had an awful awful awful beginning - but I think the show was fairly good in the 3rd/4th seasons.

agreed...season 3 and 4 of enterprise easily better than any voyager or last couple of TNG seasons or TOS and a lot of DS9 as well.

it's my fav series after TNG

[Emancipated]

Would it denegrate the roots of the show if Matt Damon (or who ever gets casted as Kirk) try to do the infamous stutter speech? I would love to see some cameos.

2008. Awesome.

[Ojam]

I personally thought the show "Enterprise" was better than alot of people give it credit for.

Yes it had an awful awful awful beginning - but I think the show was fairly good in the 3rd/4th seasons.

I enjoyed enterprise, but would love to see what the writers could come up with if they went one or two generations a head like they did when leaping from TOS to TNG. But that would be more of a TV show I supose. There is lots of potential, but what they are doing with XI seems sort of like Rehashing what has already been done. I'll still pay for it though, it will probably still like it, I would just prefer something else. :cheesygri

[Haz]

I enjoyed enterprise, but would love to see what the writers could come up with if they went one or two generations a head like they did when leaping from TOS to TNG. But that would be more of a TV show I supose. There is lots of potential, but what they are doing with XI seems sort of like Rehashing what has already been done. I'll still pay for it though, it will probably still like it, I would just prefer something else. :cheesygriThe movies are more of extentions of the TV series so yeah, I can see new generations happening on the small screen first. I'm looking forward to the new movie. :)

[manixc]

isn't it time to bring Sisko back? He's been stuck in the wormhole for a long time.

[Xon]

isn't it time to bring Sisko back? He's been stuck in the wormhole for a long time.

Don't knock life in the wormhole man. There's always free cake.

[Crotchety Old Man]

Um, you knew the answer. What does that say about you? :D
Exactly.

(Though in my defence, I just read it yesterday, when reading about the new movie on the net...)

[Desibabu3k]

Recasting the orginal trio is an awful idea, and is doomed to failure. Why can't they just make a movie with the DS9 crew.

[mingming]

They should try a movie with the NX-01 crew. That finale last year really pissed me off. They deserve to end on a high note.

I mean TOS was just as bad in the ratings before the movies propelled them. Who knows what an "Enterprise" movie will do for them!!!

I personally really enjoyed "Enterprise".

[Spare-Flair]

Recasting the orginal trio is an awful idea, and is doomed to failure. Why can't they just make a movie with the DS9 crew.

Because nobody will know who they are since nobody watched DS9 which is a shame. Luckily it also led to Berman and Braga (the worst producer/writer in Trek) to focus on Voyager so DS9 could do whatever they wanted and churned out a fantastic series.

[Spare-Flair]

Surprisingly, no. There was one other captain of the Enterprise before Pike...

Captain Robert April (man, I had to reach into cobwebbs of my brain from 10 years ago to remember that). Nothing past 1991 is Roddenbery certified since he was dead. Captain April was in plenty of official publications and encyclopedias.

[manixc]

Because nobody will know who they are since nobody watched DS9 which is a shame. Luckily it also led to Berman and Braga (the worst producer/writer in Trek) to focus on Voyager so DS9 could do whatever they wanted and churned out a fantastic series.

The last 3-4 season of DS9 was the best among all Star Trek series I've seen.

[Crotchety Old Man]

Because nobody will know who they are since nobody watched DS9 which is a shame. Luckily it also led to Berman and Braga (the worst producer/writer in Trek) to focus on Voyager so DS9 could do whatever they wanted and churned out a fantastic series.
DS9 was just a cutrate soap opera, while Voyager had excellent and original storylines. But, of course nothing beats TOS and TNG...

[Carpe Diem]

The cast is set: (http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/10/18/first-look-the-cast-of-jj-abrams-star-trek/)

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/startrekcastingbig.jpg

[thelefteyeguy]

it's Skylar :lol:

[Vertigo]

The cast is set: (http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/10/18/first-look-the-cast-of-jj-abrams-star-trek/)

Harold = Sulu? Wow... :lol:

[Talamasca]

Interesting cast. And Eric Bana as the villain too should be cool.

An unknown is playing Kirk though. Man, talk about filling out some big shoes...

[robertalan]

This thing's sounding more and more like a train wreck waiting to happen.

[Rometiklan]

How is Chekov even supposed to be in this movie?

When Kirk was Captain, he was supposed to be in his mid 30's, since it was established he was the youngest captain to complete a 5 year mission at 35 (I believe that is canon). So if Kirk was 35 during the time of the TOS series, and Chekov was pretty much out of the academy, I would say Chekov was no older than 25. That puts at least a 10 year difference between Kirk and Chekov. So if Kirk were 25 during his days at Starfleet Academy, Chekov would have been 15.

[Talamasca]

How is Chekov even supposed to be in this movie?

When Kirk was Captain, he was supposed to be in his mid 30's, since it was established he was the youngest captain to complete a 5 year mission at 35 (I believe that is canon). So if Kirk was 35 during the time of the TOS series, and Chekov was pretty much out of the academy, I would say Chekov was no older than 25. That puts at least a 10 year difference between Kirk and Chekov. So if Kirk were 25 during his days at Starfleet Academy, Chekov would have been 15.

I imagine this new movie will be a re-boot of sorts for the franchises so while you'll still have Humans, Klingons, Vulcans and so on in their traditional roles, little details like the ages of characters will be altered. It's a risk as the hardcore Trek fans are fanatical when it comes to canon. I think Enterprise failed in part because it went against the established ethos too many times.

[robertalan]

How is Chekov even supposed to be in this movie?

When Kirk was Captain, he was supposed to be in his mid 30's, since it was established he was the youngest captain to complete a 5 year mission at 35 (I believe that is canon). So if Kirk was 35 during the time of the TOS series, and Chekov was pretty much out of the academy, I would say Chekov was no older than 25. That puts at least a 10 year difference between Kirk and Chekov. So if Kirk were 25 during his days at Starfleet Academy, Chekov would have been 15.

An ensign, ala Wesley Crusher?

[Nightgod]

Word has trickled down the pipe that Paul McGillion ("Dr. Carson Beckett") recently auditioned for the role of Montgomery Scott in the eleventh "Star Trek" motion picture. From the mouth of Paul himself, GateWorld is pleased to confirm that this is so!

"I can't tell you a whole lot," McGillion said, "but I can confirm that I did indeed audition for the role of Scotty in the new 'Star Trek' movie. It was obviously thrilling to be able to go in and read for that character, seeing as I grow up watching Star Trek with my family."

It's no surprise that Scotty was McGillion's favorite Trek character while growing up, considering both have roots in Scotland. Additionally, both actors have roots in Vancouver. "It was a great honor [to audition], and obviously I don't want to sound cliché about it, but it would be a privilege to try to follow in James Doohan's footsteps."

Doohan's son, Chris, campaigned for his father's old role, but has stepped aside and endorsed McGillion instead. "I know that the chances that I would be the next Scotty are slim to none," Doohan told TrekMovie.com. "That being said, I think Paul McGillion is a GREAT choice for the role of Scotty. He has a great accent and I think that he actually looks like my father."

"I can't say enough about that," Paul told us. "Thank you, Chris Doohan! I've never met him. That was really a surprise and a thrill. He said some nice things about me. That's really kind of him. I'm absolutely overwhelmed by that."

Stick with GateWorld for more with Paul McGillion later this week!
http://www.gateworld.net/news/2007/10/mcgillion_up_for_star_trek_role.shtml

[Spare-Flair]

Word has trickled down the pipe that Paul McGillion ("Dr. Carson Beckett") recently auditioned for the role of Montgomery Scott in the eleventh "Star Trek" motion picture. From the mouth of Paul himself, GateWorld is pleased to confirm that this is so!

"I can't tell you a whole lot," McGillion said, "but I can confirm that I did indeed audition for the role of Scotty in the new 'Star Trek' movie. It was obviously thrilling to be able to go in and read for that character, seeing as I grow up watching Star Trek with my family."

It's no surprise that Scotty was McGillion's favorite Trek character while growing up, considering both have roots in Scotland. Additionally, both actors have roots in Vancouver. "It was a great honor [to audition], and obviously I don't want to sound cliché about it, but it would be a privilege to try to follow in James Doohan's footsteps."

Doohan's son, Chris, campaigned for his father's old role, but has stepped aside and endorsed McGillion instead. "I know that the chances that I would be the next Scotty are slim to none," Doohan told TrekMovie.com. "That being said, I think Paul McGillion is a GREAT choice for the role of Scotty. He has a great accent and I think that he actually looks like my father."

"I can't say enough about that," Paul told us. "Thank you, Chris Doohan! I've never met him. That was really a surprise and a thrill. He said some nice things about me. That's really kind of him. I'm absolutely overwhelmed by that."

Stick with GateWorld for more with Paul McGillion later this week!
http://www.gateworld.net/news/2007/10/mcgillion_up_for_star_trek_role.shtml

What??? This is so old. Sorry to tell you, but Simon Pegg (guy from Shaun of the Dead) was already cast as Scotty a few weeks ago.

[robertalan]

What??? This is so old. Sorry to tell you, but Simon Pegg (guy from Shaun of the Dead) was already cast as Scotty a few weeks ago.

Nightgod accidentally tripped through the Guardian of Forever on his way to post his message.

[rabbit]

t h r e a d j a c k . . .


They're showing ST Original: the Menagerie (enhanced) on the silver screen.
One night only: Nov 13, in select cinemas

http://www.empiretheatres.com/promotions/StarTrek/StarTrek.asp

[Spare-Flair]

Nightgod accidentally tripped through the Guardian of Forever on his way to post his message.

Man, the Guardian of Forever is getting pretty lazy these days.

[Talamasca]

The first teaser trailer was released with prints of "Cloverfield." I gotta say, it looks pretty promising. I'm still not 100% on board with the reboot of the TOS era but judging from these few seconds of footage, it looks suitably epic and grand, which Star Trek hasn't been for a very long time.

Star Trek Teaser Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RllSZW_YLk8)

[Psylocke]

I had to hold back my excitement after I saw the trailer on Friday. One girl behind me got a little too jazzed up though (must've been a real Trekker).

I don't think I can wait 11 months to see it in theatres! I'm excited to see Zachary Quinto as Spock and Simon Pegg as Scotty (loved them in Heroes and Shaun of the Dead).

It sucks that the TNG series of movies ended on such a bad note... I would've loved to see another film that was as good as First Contact, but it wouldn't be the same w/o Data. :(

Here's nice a shot of the ship from the trailer:

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/4237/ussenterpriseua1.jpg

[ChinpokoMon]

The trailer in QuickTime HD:

720p
http://downloads.paramount.com/mp/startrek/ST_TRL1_720p.mov

1080p
http://downloads.paramount.com/mp/startrek/ST_TRL1_1080p.mov

[sportmiester]

Cautiously optimistic after watching the trailer

[rabbit]

Yeah, the trailer is cool, but it doesn't say anything about the movie. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the scene in the trailer isn't even in the movie. The Enterprise is already built and in service by the time Kirk came around. The trailer seems more like it is saying that the movie is under construction.

You can also check out:
http://www.ncc-1701.com

[rabbit]

New photos released:
http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2008/10/15/exclusive-new-star-trek-movie-photo-with-kirk-spock-sulu-and-the-uss-enterprise-bridge/

[Nightgod]

New photos released:
http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2008/10/15/exclusive-new-star-trek-movie-photo-with-kirk-spock-sulu-and-the-uss-enterprise-bridge/

http://www.mtv.com/movies/photos/s/star_trek_080123/star_trek_400x765.jpg

http://www.mtv.com/movies/photos/s/star_trek_080123/flip-a.jpg



http://blog.ugo.com/images/uploads/new-trekkie-photo.jpg

http://img.trekmovie.com/images/st09/usskelvin1.jpg



http://www.aintitcool.com/images2008/bigspock.jpg

[Talamasca]

The Enterprise bridge looks nice and spiffy.

[originalnutta]

That looks like Spock choking out Kirk.

Sweet!

But shouldn't Spock look a little older, since Vulcans live to be 200 or so.

That's my first nerd critique.

[Exist2Inspire]

Man, Zachary Qunito sure does remind me of Leornard Nemoy. And I love the crew shots, especially the first one.

They all look like they belong on that bridge, espeically Kirk (Christopher Pine). He definately has that cocky look that Kirk usually had

[silentio]

Summer 2009

[rabbit]

> The Enterprise bridge looks nice and spiffy.

Look overly bright. Maybe bright isn't the word, since the Excelsior had a bright bridge (the first ship to do so), which I liked. This one has too many disco lights shining everywhere.


> Man, Zachary Qunito sure does't remind me of Leornard Nemoy.

I don't know why, but the hair on most guys playing Vulcan looks really fake. Leonard Nimoy's looked real. I think Nimoy had natural black hair, so maybe that's why.

[Rometiklan]

So much is riding on this movie. I don't know if people are exactly starved for Trek, but it's definitely been awhile since there's been anything of quality on TV or the big screen. If this movie bombs, it just may very well force Paramount to take this franchise in a new direction. I don't know why they continually look to Trek's past for stories when they should just jump ahead a hundred years so they can "reboot" Trek with a whole new generation.

[SuckaB]

uh.. why does the first post still say that matt damon is t kirk?

[originalnutta]

So much is riding on this movie. I don't know if people are exactly starved for Trek, but it's definitely been awhile since there's been anything of quality on TV or the big screen. If this movie bombs, it just may very well force Paramount to take this franchise in a new direction. I don't know why they continually look to Trek's past for stories when they should just jump ahead a hundred years so they can "reboot" Trek with a whole new generation.

If this movie does well, we should expect more talks of movies and TV show at least.

I might be in the minority, but i miss Enterprise.

But im happy with anything Start Trek, as long as it stays true to its roots.

[rabbit]

> it's definitely been awhile since there's been anything of quality on TV or the big screen.

The last season of Enterprise had some good episodes.

Blame First Contact for taking Star Trek into the black hole. It was Borg-fest after that movie came out.

[silentio]

The cast for the most part look younger than any of the other trek movies. They seem to be taking aim at the younger audience.

[Carpe Diem]

uh.. why does the first post still say that matt damon is t kirk?

That was over 2 years ago, I forgot about that. Fixed for ya!

[porphyra]

That was over 2 years ago, I forgot about that. Fixed for ya!

You might want to fix the Title too. Its coming 2009, not 2008.

[originalnutta]

The cast for the most part look younger than any of the other trek movies. They seem to be taking aim at the younger audience.

ya think?

[rabbit]

Here's the 30s Super Bowl trailer (38MB):
http://movies.apple.com/movies/paramount/star_trek/startrek-sbspot_h1080p.mov

Has some new scenes.

[time space]

The cast for the most part look younger than any of the other trek movies. They seem to be taking aim at the younger audience.

ya think?

Star Trek: 90210

[rabbit]

> Star Trek: 90210

Yeah, when I was watching the trailers again today, I was thinking how generic the characters looked, like the typical Hollywood style.

I hate that youngster Kirk in the car, when he says, "I'm James Tiberious Kirk," like he is some kind of badass or something.

[randomdef]

> Star Trek: 90210

Yeah, when I was watching the trailers again today, I was thinking how generic the characters looked, like the typical Hollywood style.

I hate that youngster Kirk in the car, when he says, "I'm James Tiberious Kirk," like he is some kind of badass or something.

he is badass.

[AndrewSE]

So much is riding on this movie. I don't know if people are exactly starved for Trek, but it's definitely been awhile since there's been anything of quality on TV or the big screen. If this movie bombs, it just may very well force Paramount to take this franchise in a new direction. I don't know why they continually look to Trek's past for stories when they should just jump ahead a hundred years so they can "reboot" Trek with a whole new generation.

I agree 100% they should drop the whole prequel stuff and jump 100yrs ahead of ST:TNG !

Sorta like the ep of enterprise when they go over the whole Xendi (sp) arc and Archer jumps so many 100 years in the future to that big galactic war going on ! That would be cool !

Mind you I enjoyed Enterprise when it was on... guess I was one of the few !

[originalnutta]

I agree 100% they should drop the whole prequel stuff and jump 100yrs ahead of ST:TNG !

Sorta like the ep of enterprise when they go over the whole Xendi (sp) arc and Archer jumps so many 100 years in the future to that big galactic war going on ! That would be cool !

Mind you I enjoyed Enterprise when it was on... guess I was one of the few !

I loved Enterprise.

It was the first series that got me into being a Trekkie.

Its not as good as TNG or DS9, but better than Voyager.

[time space]

I loved Enterprise.

It was the first series that got me into being a Trekkie.

Its not as good as TNG or DS9, but better than Voyager.

Voyager is very underrated - it is better than both Enterprise and DS9.

[Super strokey]

Voyager is very underrated - it is better than both Enterprise and DS9.

Nonsense, Voyager was a one trick pony that essentially ruined star trek. enterprise wasnt a whole lot better but atleast it was cast better and had some interesting story lines in the last 2 seasons. The 7 of 9 show... err i mean voyager didnt have anything... except 7 of 9 lol

[Talamasca]

DS9 was the end of the Golden Age of Trek. Voyager dug the grave and Enterprise fell in it.

[gilboman]

DS9 was the end of the Golden Age of Trek. Voyager dug the grave and Enterprise fell in it.

i thought enterprise from like season 3 onwards was great!!! did you give it a chance?

I liked enterprise quite a bit.

[porphyra]

Voyager is very underrated - it is better than both Enterprise and DS9.

Fail. DS9 was the best by far. So much darker than the others. Voyager offered nothing special at par with Enterprise (and I think the last 2 seasons of ENT were better than VOY as a whole).

[originalnutta]

i enjoyed learning about Starfleet's history in Enterprise and it was refreshing to see a ST series that was also primitive in technology.

Of course they had a few throwbacks, like the alien chicks with green skin, or the onboard fight between the Andoran and Archer.

I wish it went on for a couple more seasons.


Hopefully this movie will boost some interest in the show, and we can have a new ST series helmed by JJ Abrams. That would be sweet.

[originalnutta]

Voyager really starts off after season 3 when they run into the Borg.

The holodeck adventures make for some interesting episodes, but the characters were not very exciting.

Neelix/Kes and Paris/B'Lana love stories were boring and i didn't feel they were essential to the show.

I guess the producers wanted to gain more female viewers. And if the show went on for 7 seasons, then they must have done something right.

[takusan]

+1 for DS9

But none of the star trek series can compete against Firefly. Best scifi series ever!!

[squall458]

ST:TNG was the best series hands down.

DS9 was a soap opera and was great because of the USS DEFIANT and the huge fleet wars. Overall, DS9 was good.

Voyager had its moments, ala 7/9, but it butchered the Borg and I will never forgive Voyager for that. They went from the biggest and baddest enemy ever conceived in the sci-fi world to a bunch of pusses.

Enterprise had a good concept, good overall cast but it was boring as hell. There wasn't any chemistry in the crew, it was so forced. Story lines were decent but in terms of execution, they were just boring or so predictable. The star trek magic isn't here. I guess its for the next gen kiddies.

[blainehamilton]

DS9 was the end of the Golden Age of Trek. Voyager dug the grave and Enterprise fell in it.


Quoted for such great accuracy. While this next 'pre' movie will be fun, I doubt we will see a series, or even a follow up flick unless it smashes all others at the box office.

TOS was good for it's time. Still stands up considering it's age, I'm just partway thru the second season right now.

TNG was also good for it's time. A bit fluffy compared to other series. Had awesome moments such as episodes: Yesterday's Enterprise, The Best Of Both Worlds, Relics, Q Who, and All Good Things.

DS9 started great, waned for a season and a half or so, and then went hardcore for the final 4 seasons. I hated the episode 'Trials and Tribble-ations' the first time I watched it, and then rewatched it after seeing 'The Trouble With Tribbles' for the first time, and loved it. As a whole, the series had a dark, dreary outlook, with heavy stories, great plotlines, and exceptional characters that made it the best. Sisko has to be about the best lead character out of any of the shows or movies.

Voyager started lame, ran lame for a couple of seasons, introduced a teenage trekkies dream borg with big hooters, and continued lame for most of it's run. There are gems, such as Course: Oblivion, Year Of Hell, and others. Easily the weakest of the series so far.

Enterprise was the walking dead. It was better than Yoyager, but fell into the hole the previous series dug, as another poster mentioned. It was a shame it was cancelled early, as it started to get good in the late second and early third seasons with the Xindi as the main enemy. The WWII tie in at the start of the fourth season was pretty lame tho, and it turned a lot of viewers off. The season did end on a high note, with In A Mirror, Darkly, and These Are The Voyages as a couple of the best episodes from the entire series.


As for the movies:

TOS even and odd rules apply after the first movie. Even ones rocked. Odd ones sucked. Well, maybe not exactly sucked. Three was acceptable, but 5 was a big turd.

TNG had a pretty good run of movies. Generations wasn't top notch, and I think destroying the original Enterprise used was a mistake. Seeing Kirk and Picard together? Gold, even if it was like oil and water mixed together. First Contact rocked pretty good, and then Insurrection faded, and Nemesis flopped. Hope we finally get to see what happens to Data in a final movie.

As sad as I am there are no DS9 movies, I think they would have been forced, since the battles going on so long in the final 3 seasons were wrapped up nicely in the last 5 episodes. I guess at least there are books to eventually read, that way I can figure out what happened to Sisko. (Don't spoil it for me!)

The new Star Trek? Looking forward to it. With the iPod generation, and people younger than me picking up new technologies quicker than I have in the last 3 years, it is sure to have a huge following, or a huge failing. They are trying to make Trek relevent again. With the prospect of Moon and Mars missions in the next 20 years, the creators of Trek might be on the right track here...

[AndrewSE]

well said blainehamilton !

Was not keen on DS9 to much for some odd reason.

I liked Voyager :cheesygri But agree it had some real crap eps.

All the ST:TNG movies sucked except for First Contact !

Best TOS movies 2 & 6 !

I HATED the last eps of Enterprise ! What a crap way of ending a series ! Leave it to Rick Berman to put the final blow to Star Trek ! I hope that guy never touches anything trek ever again !

[rabbit]

> I hated the episode 'Trials and Tribble-ations' the first time I watched it, and then rewatched it after seeing 'The Trouble With Tribbles' for the first time, and loved it.

Oh man, that was the best episode of Star Trek ever! It's amazing what they did and how they did it (story-wise), and coming up with the idea was amazing. They even got the same actor (forgot his name, but the guy who played the Klingon agent who looked human in the original show is the same guy who played the Klingon agent who looked human in DS9).


BTW, First Contact was the downfall of Star Trek, due to its popular; they then tried to cater to the masses after that, which is what made Voyager bad. When they had the Borg in an episode of Enterprise, I knew that the series was in trouble (viewer-wise).

[squall458]

I had no idea that many redflaggers preferred DS9 over TNG. I always thought the general concession was that TNG (or TOS)>DS9>Voyager.

[originalnutta]

I had no idea that many redflaggers preferred DS9 over TNG. I always thought the general concession was that TNG (or TOS)>DS9>Voyager.

TOS? No way.


DS9, maybe.

But most of the general public would say TNG is the best of all the series.

I would have to side with them on that.

Data > *

Although the fights between the Quadrants was pretty sweet.

[jokadeska]

Sisko has to be about the best lead character out of any of the shows or movies.



How could you take Sisko over Picard? Picard was the best! He definately made TNG the best Star Trek Series.

[blainehamilton]

Let's see.

English Tea Drinking Archeologist Old Short White Guy

vs.

Louisiana Coffee Drinking Baseball Playing Young Tall Black Guy


No contest.

Both bald in the end, but I doubt picard would look good in a goatee...

[rabbit]

> But most of the general public would say TNG is the best of all the series.

I agree, although I prefer DS9 (of the four modern Star Trek series).

DS9 had a better team behind them (Ira Steven Behr, Rene Echevarra), as well as better characters overall. I would probably say Picard is better than Sisko, but ...
Jake Sisko or Nog > Wesley Crusher (although Jake was whiney early on)
Jadzia Dax > Deanna Troi
DS9 Worf > TNG Worf
Quark > Guinan

I guess most would choose Data over Odo, but I like them both.

DS9 had a lot of cool re-occurring characters that I don't recall TNG having, including guys like that Admiral that Sisko always talked to in the later years ... General Martok ... Morn ... Weyoun. TNG had that Sherlock Holmes nemesis (which is only slightly better than Voyager's Da Vinci).

[time space]

st:tng was the best series hands down.

Ds9 was a soap opera...

+1

[originalnutta]

TNG > DS9

Sisko > Picard.


Although, Picard as Locutus > Sisko.

Sisko was the Emissary, flew the Defiant during the Dominion War, and built a bloody space ship that he flew with Jake, on the DS9 base.

Picard could play the flute.

[originalnutta]

It was weird that DS9 didn't have any Vulcan presence till the end, during the baseball holodeck episode.

Guess it wasn't necessary to the storyline.
The Cardassians were pretty fierce antagonists, to the wussy Bajorans. Gul Dukat was probably one of the best baddies in all of the ST series. Garak was badass too. The Ferengis were always fun to have around. The rivalry between Bashir and O'brien was entertaining, after it was revealed that Bashir was superhuman.

DS9 had great characters, but TNG had a better plot and story, well until the last couple of seasons.

The only ones i really cared for on TNG were Data, Picard and Geordi.
Worf and O'Brien were not as interesting as they were on DS9.

[rabbit]

> Worf and O'Brien were not as interesting as they were on DS9.

I thought O'Brien's lack of TV time was the reason why he was shifted to DS9. If so, how could he be more interesting on TNG? Did you like the way he posed when operating the transporter?

[CSAgent]

Picard could play the flute.

Picard scored with Vash, had the ship's doctor fall for him, even Troi's mother fell for him, he got with that girl with the foldable piano in season 7 (which looked futuristic at the time, now you can buy that), and a few other women. Picard has a classy, British accent, patented the uniform tug, made "Engage!" and "Make it so!" classic Star Trek lines. Hell, even I say "Make it so." sometimes to people, lol! "THERE...ARE....4....LIGHTS!" 'nuff said. In his youth, Picard fought off 3 huge, Nausiccan's on his own and even got stabbed through the heart and still lived to tell the tale!

Who did Sisko score with doing DS9's run, the freighter captain Cassidy?

Picard was a womanizer!

[NG]

[i] DS9 had a lot of cool re-occurring characters that I don't recall TNG having

TNG had Barcley, Gunian and The Traveller as re-occurring characters however I'll agree that, although TOS, TNG and ENT were great, DS9 was my fav.

[Talamasca]

Picard scored with Vash, had the ship's doctor fall for him, even Troi's mother fell for him, he got with that girl with the foldable piano in season 7 (which looked futuristic at the time, now you can buy that), and a few other women. Picard has a classy, British accent, patented the uniform tug, made "Engage!" and "Make it so!" classic Star Trek lines. Hell, even I say "Make it so." sometimes to people, lol! "THERE...ARE....4....LIGHTS!" 'nuff said. In his youth, Picard fought off 3 huge, Nausiccan's on his own and even got stabbed through the heart and still lived to tell the tale!

Who did Sisko score with doing DS9's run, the freighter captain Cassidy?

Picard was a womanizer!

Sisko was a god. Literally. End argument! :D

[Defiant]

I thought I'd chime in too.

DS9 was the best series because it was a serial series. There were consequences for the characters and you really saw them develop. Plus it was a little more realistic in that the writers didn't paint the Federation as a utopia as they did in TNG. In TNG, the Enterprise would solve a problem, Picard would make a great speech and move on, everyone lives happily ever after. DS9, especially during the Dominion war arc, showed some of the skeletons in the Federation closet.

As far as captains go, I have to go with Picard over Sisko, albeit its a close one. Picard's nuanced reasoning and those great speeches could convince anyone to take his side. Sisko would just punch someone in the face (like he did to Q).

The one thing TNG has over DS9 is "Best of Both Worlds," probably the best season ending cliffhanger in sci-fi history (with, perhaps, BSGs season 3 cliffhanger in second).

[Talamasca]

The one thing TNG has over DS9 is "Best of Both Worlds," probably the best season ending cliffhanger in sci-fi history (with, perhaps, BSGs season 3 cliffhanger in second).

The best part was that it was pre-internet (at least as we know it) so the fans had to wait months (MONTHS!) without spoilers to find out what happened.

[squall458]

The best part was that it was pre-internet (at least as we know it) so the fans had to wait months (MONTHS!) without spoilers to find out what happened.

Exactly! I remember I just wanted the summer to end so that I could see the part 2. I didnt even care that school was starting up again.

[thendless]

I was never a star trek fan and one day during summer I noticed space was playing DS9 in syndication... I will have to say this series really appealed to me with the dark storylines regarding war and I think DS9 has a much greater appeal to a general audience. From a minor recurring character like Garak to a series regular like Sisko, every character was memorable and well acted (albeit I hated Jake, he is the most useless character on that show). The series constantly dealt with themes of moral ambiguity during the war which really kept the series interesting (In the pale moonlight anyone?? I've watched this episode countless times). The first 2 or 3 seasons were mediocre but once the Defiant came, Sisko shaved his head and grew his goatee, the show just got awesome. I still watch old eps when I am bored, it always feels fresh everytime I watch an episode of DS9... This series was way ahead of its time.

[SuckaB]

Sisko was a god. Literally. End argument! :D

Q > Sisko (dont flame me, I'm biased) :razz:

[-=Wraith=-]

i like how this thread went from discussing how bad the movie was gonna be to comparing the tv series lol

picard > sisko > archer > janeway

t'pol* > riker > kira > chakotay (*she'd be placed second if she was a guy lol)

geordi > trip > o'brian > b'elanna

tuvok > worf (ds9) > odo > worf (tng) > malcolm (don't remember much of tasha yar lol)

data > jadzia > hoshi > kim

doctor > bashir > crusher > phlox > pulaski

paris > nog > mayweather > wesley (no one really "flew" ds9 lol so i put nog in here)

[CSAgent]

Sisko was a god. Literally. End argument! :D

D'oh! lol!

But Sisko could not fight off the Pah-wraiths by himself, he always needed help. :razz:

Best DS9 episode in my opinion is Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges - a line from Cicero's Pro Milone, "In times of war, the law falls silent."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter_Arma_Enim_Silent_Leges_(DS9_episode)

[rabbit]

Was that the one when he duped the Romulans? That was a great episode, in any case.



> TNG had Barcley, Gunian and The Traveller as re-occurring characters ...

Barcley was a tosser. Guinan was okay, although no Quark. The Traveller ... well, it wasn't good or bad.



> DS9 was the best series because it was a serial series. There were consequences for the characters and you really saw them develop.

Good point regarding the character development, which is one of the main reasons why I like DS9.



> The one thing TNG has over DS9 is "Best of Both Worlds," probably the best season ending cliffhanger in sci-fi history (with, perhaps, BSGs season 3 cliffhanger in second).

I think in some Star Trek documentary, the show claims that TNG were the ones who started the on-going trend of doing season ending cliffhangers.



> every character was memorable and well acted (albeit I hated Jake, he is the most useless character on that show).

I think Cassidy Yates was the most useless.

[CSAgent]

> every character was memorable and well acted (albeit I hated Jake, he is the most useless character on that show).

I think Cassidy Yates was the most useless.

I think the whole point of having Jake was to make Sisko a family oriented Captain something which Kirk, Picard, Janeway never ever were. He's the only one to ever have a child.

And yah, I agree - Cassidy Yates was useless. The love story was never fully explored, it was just tacked on as the seasons went on.

[originalnutta]

I think the whole point of having Jake was to make Sisko a family oriented Captain something which Kirk, Picard, Janeway never ever were. He's the only one to ever have a child.

And yah, I agree - Cassidy Yates was useless. The love story was never fully explored, it was just tacked on as the seasons went on.

She was a C-unit anyways, just like her character on 24.

I think there was some other chick that had eyes for Sisko, but her story wasn't fully developed.

And speaking of relationships, how did Rom manage to get with Leeta? She was smoking.

[redrage]

New trailer for the movie is out. I haven't been much of a fan of the other movies but this one looks good.

http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/startrek/

[rabbit]

Direct download, 1080p, 154MB, no Apple watermark!
http://movies.apple.com/movies/paramount/star_trek/startrek-tlr3_h1080p.mov

[manixc]

I was never a star trek fan and one day during summer I noticed space was playing DS9 in syndication... I will have to say this series really appealed to me with the dark storylines regarding war and I think DS9 has a much greater appeal to a general audience. From a minor recurring character like Garak to a series regular like Sisko, every character was memorable and well acted (albeit I hated Jake, he is the most useless character on that show). The series constantly dealt with themes of moral ambiguity during the war which really kept the series interesting (In the pale moonlight anyone?? I've watched this episode countless times). The first 2 or 3 seasons were mediocre but once the Defiant came, Sisko shaved his head and grew his goatee, the show just got awesome. I still watch old eps when I am bored, it always feels fresh everytime I watch an episode of DS9... This series was way ahead of its time.
+1, DS9 picked up when the Defiant showed up and Sisko shaved his head. That was cool. And "In the Pale Moonlight" is one of the best ep ever!

needless to say, I'm a DS9 fan.


after watching the trailer, I'm looking forward to the movie

[NG]

+1, DS9 picked up when the Defiant showed up and Sisko shaved his head. That was cool. And "In the Pale Moonlight" is one of the best ep ever!

Agreed on the head shaving and Pale Moonlight. Even outside of DS9 that ep is one of the best eps of not only Star Trek but any TV show I've ever seen. I might even call it the best Star Trek episode.

Years ago I was reading the US TV Guide and it said the old UPN network was considering a DS9 TV movie. I still lament that never happened.


after watching the trailer, I'm looking forward to the movie

I'm cautiously optimistic however as long as it's decent I'll be happy.

I just hope it'll be actual Star Trek and not a teen flick since the cast looks pretty young and they conspicuously seem to be excluding any shots of Nimoy in the trailers.

[NG]

Direct download, 1080p, 154MB, no Apple watermark!
http://movies.apple.com/movies/paramount/star_trek/startrek-tlr3_h1080p.mov

Thanks! Here's the 720p version:
http://movies.apple.com/movies/paramount/star_trek/startrek-tlr3_h720p.mov

[CSAgent]

Roddenberry is spinning in his grave over this monstrosity of a movie...

[Johan Liebert]

I thought his body or ashes got sent to space? The ship interior looks like an apple store.

[NG]

Roddenberry is spinning in his grave over this monstrosity of a movie...

I heard for the next movie they'll be bringing him back from the dead.

[NG]

I thought his body or ashes got sent to space? The ship interior looks like an apple store.

I *think* that was James Doohan and not Roddenberry however their was a malfunction and, for a time, they were lost on the way to space (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/2509358/Star-Trek-Scottys-ashes-lost-on-way-to-space.html).

[originalnutta]

Roddenberry's ashes were sent into space. Majel Barret will be joining him soon.

[Talamasca]

New trailer for the movie is out. I haven't been much of a fan of the other movies but this one looks good.

http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/startrek/

Wow, great trailer! Really makes the movie look like an epic. Can anyone identify the music used?

ETA: Apparently the music is from the film's score.

[originalnutta]

So it sounds like the first "blockbuster" of 09 has not met our expectations.

Let's hope ST can deliver. But still there is the issue of either pandering to the fans or trying to get a new audience.

[Talamasca]

This is going to look and sound amazing on Blu-ray!

[originalnutta]

This is going to look and sound amazing on Blu-ray!

i would gladly preorder it now, without watching it. And with Bad Robot being behind it, the BD should have some great extras.

[CSAgent]

Wow, great trailer! Really makes the movie look like an epic. Can anyone identify the music used?

ETA: Apparently the music is from the film's score.

It would be LEGENDARY if they used this song instead...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8rZWw9HE7o

[rabbit]

> The ship interior looks like an apple store.

Yeah, when I was watching this trailer, I was thinking how it would suck if the bridge of the Enterprise were radically different from the original. Obviously, it would look more modern, but to have it completely different is an insult. Good thing the guys in this production weren't in charge of Trials and Tribble-ations.

[squall458]

Wow, great trailer! Really makes the movie look like an epic. Can anyone identify the music used?

ETA: Apparently the music is from the film's score.

anyone know the name of the song or a soundtrack listing for this movie? i cant seem to find it on youtube.

[Talamasca]

anyone know the name of the song or a soundtrack listing for this movie? i cant seem to find it on youtube.

I did a little more digging around and unfortunately, the music used is not from the score but is from a group called Two Steps From Hell that make music specifically for trailers. The track is called "Freedom Fighters". Here is the link to download the mp3:

Two Steps From Hell "Freedom Fighters" (http://www.sendspace.com/file/608mw0)

[squall458]

I did a little more digging around and unfortunately, the music used is not from the score but is from a group called Two Steps From Hell that make music specifically for trailers. The track is called "Freedom Fighters". Here is the link to download the mp3:

Two Steps From Hell "Freedom Fighters" (http://www.sendspace.com/file/608mw0)

You are so awesome! Thanks!!!

[CSAgent]

It would be even awesomer with this most fitting "space" song (try synching it up and it works for both KIRK and the "EPIC-NESS" OF SPACE):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpvoi9AGYds

WTF... Madonna in concert?

[silentio]

The trailer exposes fairly amateurish acting by some of the actors.

The scene where the guy says there is no captain or first officer, right before kirk speaks, is comical - the guy looks like he's about to burst open with laughter.

The other scene with the guy who did the comedy movie, I think he played harold, he obviously watched too many kung fu movies - all he's missing in that scene before he attacks that alien is that bruce lee battle cry and kick.

I suppose that's the price to be paid for using less experienced actors in order to try and capture a younger movie audience.

[SuckaB]

So it sounds like the first "blockbuster" of 09 has not met our expectations.

Let's hope ST can deliver. But still there is the issue of either pandering to the fans or trying to get a new audience.

which movie was that?

[skyblue12]

which movie was that?

i'm going to take a stab at it and say watchmen

[originalnutta]

which movie was that?

Yeah it was Watchmen.

And i have yet to see it.


I was basing it on everyone's review of the movie. I might enjoy it, but either way it was a letdown to the general public.

[winstona]

Yeah it was Watchmen.

And i have yet to see it.


I was basing it on everyone's review of the movie. I might enjoy it, but either way it was a letdown to the general public.

Who cares if the public likes it or not? Just enjoy the movie. I did.

[originalnutta]

Who cares if the public likes it or not? Just enjoy the movie. I did.

oh i know. its just that all my friends saw it already and hated it because they didnt read the novel.

And they wont sit through another 3 hours again. So i gotta do it alone. Ill wait till school is done maybe.

[originalnutta]

New extended TV Spot.....

http://latinoreview.com/news/new-extended-star-trek-tv-spot-6472


God, i hope JJ Abrams starts a ST TV series, after LOST is wrapped up.

[azndoughboi]

Rock Band partnering up with Viacom for the upcoming Star Trek movie. No Star Trek songs to play on Rock Band though, just some freebies.

Thought this was a joke given the day.

http://www.rockband.com/startrek

[Talamasca]

Saw it earlier tonight at a sneak preview screening downtown. No spoilers. LOVED IT. The audience did too and there was a big round of applause at the end. The movie just worked on all levels. The pacing was excellent and there was a perfect mix of action, adventure, intellect, and humour. All the actors just nailed it in terms of their characters.

[originalnutta]

Saw it earlier tonight at a sneak preview screening downtown. No spoilers. LOVED IT. The audience did too and there was a big round of applause at the end. The movie just worked on all levels. The pacing was excellent and there was a perfect mix of action, adventure, intellect, and humour. All the actors just nailed it in terms of their characters.

Are you a ST fan?

What was the consensus among the trekkers?

[Talamasca]

Are you a ST fan?

What was the consensus among the trekkers?

I didn't watch TOS, but I watched the other movies, TNG, DS9 (my favourite), VOY, and about half of ENT before tuning out. I couldn't tell who in the audience were Trekkers but the loud applause at the end meant that the majority of the audience liked it a lot. Its current score at Rotten Tomatoes is a very impressive 94%, so the critics love it too. :D

A hardcore fan might disagree with me, but I think what this reboot movie does extremely well is that it pays great respect to the Trek franchise while forging its own path. The movie is peppered with little in-jokes and bits of dialogue that the fans will understand and love.

[originalnutta]

I didn't watch TOS, but I watched the other movies, TNG, DS9 (my favourite), VOY, and about half of ENT before tuning out. I couldn't tell who in the audience were Trekkers but the loud applause at the end meant that the majority of the audience liked it a lot. Its current score at Rotten Tomatoes is a very impressive 94%, so the critics love it too. :D

A hardcore fan might disagree with me, but I think what this reboot movie does extremely well is that it pays great respect to the Trek franchise while forging its own path. The movie is peppered with little in-jokes and bits of dialogue that the fans will understand and love.

Glad to hear it. This sounds very promising.


Im going all out and watching this movie at the VIP in Oakville on Monday.

[CSAgent]

I didn't watch TOS, but I watched the other movies, TNG, DS9 (my favourite), VOY, and about half of ENT before tuning out. I couldn't tell who in the audience were Trekkers but the loud applause at the end meant that the majority of the audience liked it a lot. Its current score at Rotten Tomatoes is a very impressive 94%, so the critics love it too. :D

A hardcore fan might disagree with me, but I think what this reboot movie does extremely well is that it pays great respect to the Trek franchise while forging its own path. The movie is peppered with little in-jokes and bits of dialogue that the fans will understand and love.

Any Tribbles? Or Orion slave women? Are there?? ARE THERE??? Won't somebody please think of the Tribbles??? What about nuclear wessels? Any nuclear WESSELS?? :lol:

[Talamasca]

Any Tribbles? Or Orion slave women? Are there?? ARE THERE??? Won't somebody please think of the Tribbles??? What about nuclear wessels? Any nuclear WESSELS?? :lol:

SPOILERS:

I didn't see any Tribbles. Kirk gets it on with an Orion girl but she's not a slave but a fellow Starfleet officer and Uhura's roommate. They're interrupted by Uhura coming in the room. Chekov's fake Russian accent is in full display. There's a funny scene where the Enterprise computer cannot understand what he's saying because of his "W"s.

I hated ENT so I laughed when Scotty said that he killed Admiral Archer's dog Porthos in a transporter accident.

[jayslay]

OMG soo excited...already bought my tickets for tomorrow...3 great weeks, last week wolverine, this week star trek and next week terminator

[skyrink]

Hi, I'm considering watching this in IMAX.....you guys think it'll be worth the extra $$$ ($16.50 actually) rather than going on $5 Tuesdays?!?!?!?

[Talamasca]

OMG soo excited...already bought my tickets for tomorrow...3 great weeks, last week wolverine, this week star trek and next week terminator

Terminator doesn't come out until the 21st. Angels & Demons is next week's big release.

Hi, I'm considering watching this in IMAX.....you guys think it'll be worth the extra $$$ ($16.50 actually) rather than going on $5 Tuesdays?!?!?!?

The movie wasn't filmed in IMAX like The Dark Knight partially was so it's basically an upconversion. The next movie coming out with actual IMAX scenes is Transformers 2.

[Dash]

I just came back from seeing it. and damn. It was awesome. Solid from start to finish. It's going to be hard for any movie this summer to be a better all around movie than this one.

[Dash]

Saw it earlier tonight at a sneak preview screening downtown. No spoilers. LOVED IT. The audience did too and there was a big round of applause at the end. The movie just worked on all levels. The pacing was excellent and there was a perfect mix of action, adventure, intellect, and humour. All the actors just nailed it in terms of their characters.

+1. Also the musical score was spot on and well done throughout.

[zod]

Hi, I'm considering watching this in IMAX.....you guys think it'll be worth the extra $$$ ($16.50 actually) rather than going on $5 Tuesdays?!?!?!?

I wanted to see it on Imax.. I love watching movies on such a bigass screen. Unfortunately the Imax in Edmonton is playing Monsters vs. Aliens on the IMAX here.. laaaame.

[jokadeska]

Just saw this at the theater. Pretty good. Didn't get all the star trek references though. CG effects were real nice.

[time space]

This is a lame ADHD parody of Star Trek - what a terrible movie!

[Kerlo]

I watched the movie tonight . . . .

This movie is really going to have mixed reviews. It's a Love it or Hate it movie.

There are parts i liked about the reboot . . . and other parts not so much . . .

I think some of the die hard fans will be disappointed . . .

[sfu_lifer]

Looks like Ebert didn't like it:
http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090506/REVIEWS/905069997

Still, I can't wait to see it tomorrow afternoon (I hate crowds, I'm hoping the kids will be in school and the college kids will either be at work or at lecture and the uber-nerds will be at their cubicles :lol:).

Hope I'm not disappointed since I'm no Trekkie.

[time space]

Looks like Ebert didn't like it:
http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090506/REVIEWS/905069997

Still, I can't wait to see it tomorrow afternoon (I hate crowds, I'm hoping the kids will be in school and the college kids will either be at work or at lecture and the uber-nerds will be at their cubicles :lol:).
You could have gone tonight, the theatre I saw it in was only about 25% full.



Hope I'm not disappointed since I'm no Trekkie.
That may be your only hope.

[i6s1]

I loved it. I never watched TOS but I did watch TNG, STV and DS9.

[evanx]

Saw it yesterday, it was really good. Action and technospeak was balanced, everyone got rather fair airtime. They made it more mainstream, it's basically like watching a good space movie, instead of a Star Trek prequel. A few minor plot problems here and there (*hint* getting a gf really fast).

Overall, really good.

[NG]

How big of a role does Nimoy have in it?

[time space]

How big of a role does Nimoy have in it?

About a 10 minute extended cameo that he should be ashamed of.

[evanx]

About a 10 minute extended cameo that he should be ashamed of.

It wasn't glorious or honouring the good old days, it's like farewell.

[NG]

About a 10 minute extended cameo that he should be ashamed of.

Ugh. I was hoping it'd be a half reboot/half Spock movie.

[tonychau]

possible series after the movie??

Or keep making movies every two/three years??

[Talamasca]

possible series after the movie??

Or keep making movies every two/three years??

Hmm, what time period would they set a new TV series in?

[Ojam]

Hmm, what time period would they set a new TV series in?

The new timeline.

I have to admit, when the Beastie Boys Kicked it, I was thinking to myself "aww yeah, this movie is going to rock"

[CouchPotato]

I loved it right until Nimoy shows up. I hated it thereafter.

GI Joe trailer was awesome.

[Dash]

I loved it right until Nimoy shows up. I hated it thereafter.

GI Joe trailer was awesome.

GI Joe trailer was a joke. It looks like crap in my opinion, and doesn't even look anything remotely like GI Joe. What's with the accelerating suits that they were wearing?

[time space]

This is zombie Star Trek - you can still recognize bits where the flesh hasn't rotted off completely, but the soul is long gone.

[Tiberius]

Just curious if there is any chance of getting tickets at a theater tonight?

Or... are all opening night tickets sold through the web in advance?

Thanks in advance.... just wanting to know if it's worth showing up in person tonight hoping for tickets.

[time space]

Theatres were only 25% - 50% full yesterday on opening night, so you should have no problem getting a seat tonight.

[PCDawg]

Theatres were only 25% - 50% full yesterday on opening night, so you should have no problem getting a seat tonight.

Not alot of people knew about the thursday opening, and most people had to work the next day. Friday night is always busy.

[time space]

Not alot of people knew about the thursday opening, and most people had to work the next day. Friday night is always busy.
You're are so right about Friday generally being a busy movie night - I wonder why no one has noticed that before? However my info about the small Star Trek Thursday opening night audiences, was to compare to other big summer movie openings.

For example, Ironman opened around the same time last May, and it was so full that people were sitting on the stairs watching the movie during the Thursday night opening shows. That first weekend, many of the Ironman screenings were indeed sold out.

So my guess is, with the sparse crowds last night, even though (as you so wisely say: "Friday night is always busy."), Tiberius should still be able to get a seat for Star Trek tonight without pre-ordering his tickets online.

[i6s1]

GI Joe trailer was a joke. It looks like crap in my opinion, and doesn't even look anything remotely like GI Joe. What's with the accelerating suits that they were wearing?

I agree. I was disappointed with the GI Joe trailer. I don't have high hopes for it. (Although I thought the same thing 2 years ago after watching the Transformers trailers, and I was wrong. )

[sfu_lifer]

Just came out of a 3pm showing, WTF. It was 70% full. I came in a little late so the fat nerds (sorry, crowd ;)) already took the good seats. Those were the same people clapping and hooting when the credits rolled around.

I enjoyed it immensely. One fault is that there's too much action sometimes but otherwise, I think it was a great space movie. The musical score was also trying too hard. Sometimes I wish it was quiet rather than having a blaring score.

I loved everyone but I wish Sylar spoke a little lower. He sounded like a teenager next to Spock Prime's baritone.
As someone said in their review, sometimes it seemed like it was "Bring Your Child to Work Day" on the bridge of the Enterprise :lol:

Extremely predictable but I sense a slew of rapid-fire sequels coming our way. Abrams record for his series haven't been stellar (i.e. great first season, mediocre after that) but hopefully the writing staff is up to par.

[Ojam]

For example, Ironman opened around the same time last May, and it was so full that people were sitting on the stairs watching the movie during the Thursday night opening shows. That first weekend, many of the Ironman screenings were indeed sold out.

So you are referring to the Thursday release that made 3.5 million nationwide on 2,500 screens? I find it hard to believe that equates to people sitting on the stairs.

I loved it right until Nimoy shows up. I hated it thereafter.


How could you hate Nimoy? Oh wait...


GI Joe trailer was awesome.

That explains it right there...

[sfu_lifer]

So you are referring to the Thursday release that made 3.5 million nationwide on 2,500 screens? I find it hard to believe that equates to people sitting on the stairs.
He's just bitter since he thought it stunk :razz:

[Talamasca]

You're are so right about Friday generally being a busy movie night - I wonder why no one has noticed that before? However my info about the small Star Trek Thursday opening night audiences, was to compare to other big summer movie openings.

For example, Ironman opened around the same time last May, and it was so full that people were sitting on the stairs watching the movie during the Thursday night opening shows. That first weekend, many of the Ironman screenings were indeed sold out.

Iron Man grossed $3.5M on its opening Thursday last year. Star Trek grossed $7M last night. While there are more factors at play, ST definitely had a great first night.

Box Office Guru (http://www.boxofficeguru.com/050809.htm)

[sonic]

:cheesygri

I Really enjoyed it!~~

i went in with an open mind, not reading any early reviews. i wasnt bored at all. Just wondering if they asked shatner to participate in the movie?

[Ojam]

:cheesygri

I Really enjoyed it!~~

i went in with an open mind, not reading any early reviews. i wasnt bored at all. Just wondering if they asked shatner to participate in the movie?

Kirk is dead (x2). It would not have made sense based on the Story.

[CouchPotato]

How could you hate Nimoy? Oh wait...


I don't hate Nimoy. I hated the plot contrivances that came after his character showed up.

[sfu_lifer]

:cheesygri

I Really enjoyed it!~~

i went in with an open mind, not reading any early reviews. i wasnt bored at all. Just wondering if they asked shatner to participate in the movie?
I heard they tried to insert him via flashbacks etc but he demanded a bigger role so they turfed him. As usual his gigantic ego gets in the way ...

[sonic]

wow...alot of you are nit-picking this movie to death.

yeah so maybe using the old time space /alternate universe is a cop out...& what the hell is "red matter" anyway? :confused:

dont know...dont care.

i enjoyed the reality escape.

;)

[Pavel]

Too bad Paramount doesn't produce R5s. :cry:

[Siefer999]

http://www.geekologie.com/2009/05/facebook_konami_code_pirate_la.php

possibly because of star trek?

If you enter the Konami code (up up down down left right left right B A ENTER -- don't do in a text box) after logging into Facebook you get a lens flare effect anytime you click, scroll or type anything.

really works, i tried it

[sfu_lifer]

wow...alot of you are nit-picking this movie to death.

yeah so maybe using the old time space /alternate universe is a cop out...& what the hell is "red matter" anyway? :confused:

dont know...dont care.

i enjoyed the reality escape.

;)
'
See, that's why I was told it was not a true Trekkie movie by a Trekkie buddy of mine. They like having lots of that and discussing that kind of crap :lol:

[N_Raged]

Solid styling and execution, but Abrams went overboard with the lens flares (I saw enough of them from Mission Impossible 3). Karl Urban was FANTASTIC as McCoy.

This movie didn't feel like Trek as we know it at all, which was probably the point. Though I left feeling somewhat uneasy about how they rewrote the timeline and killed Spock's mother. Even though it was hinted that it was an alternate reality. Star Trek in general needs to stop messing with time.

I think what ruined this film for me was its trailer. The kid Kirk set the bar very low, then the rest of the trailer gave away too many of the big moments. However seeing the trailer for Terminator Salvation was freakin awesome.

But what it comes down to is: I want more! Cmon sequel!

[Atheral]

I have to admit, when the Beastie Boys Kicked it, I was thinking to myself "aww yeah, this movie is going to rock"

+1

The movie was AWESOME!

[Pavel]

It's no secret that there will be changes to the timeline, it was mentioned pretty much everywhere. not a spoiler though. nimoy's voice is getting very old and a lttle annoying. he's only in his mid's 70s but speaks, imo like he's in his 90's.

[TRK9]

Any Tribbles? Or Orion slave women? Are there?? ARE THERE??? Won't somebody please think of the Tribbles??? What about nuclear wessels? Any nuclear WESSELS?? :lol:

Lol... the guy who played Chekov in this new movie was pretty good... loved his accent... reminded me of ST:IV and the nuclear wessels...

I really did enjoy the movie, but as trek fan who's probably watched everything from TOS to Enterprise, this alternate timeline thing still bugs me a bit...

BTW, Nimoy is supposed to make a cameo on Fringe next Tuesday...

Now to look for deals on the ST:1-6 movies coming out on Bluray this Tuesday...

[gei]

I'm actually quite surprised at the positive reviews. I'm the biggest star trek fan I know - I've watched every movie dozens of times, and have seen every episode of every series (even the much maligned "enterprise") dozens of times.... so of course I was very excited for this movie. I suppose the action was good, but it just didn't feel like star trek. Overall I left feeling kinda strange...

I also don't understand why they had to 'reboot' the series and change things so drastically. They could have made virtually the same movie without destroying vulcan (just destroy some other planet), or even without killing spock's mom....

I'll come back with a longer review later... but that is my initial impression.

[time space]

I agree with Deal-Ion and gei - however successful at the box office this movie may end up - it ain't Star Trek.

Star Trek always had action, but it was built over a foundation of thoughtfulness and character development. Kirk was a master of diplomacy as well as battle. Spock was 99% logical, not an insecure child ready to snap at any moment. McCoy was a central character, and he sure wasn't a wimp as shown here. The federation was about peace and exploration, but now reflects our real world war culture, instead of being an alternative to it as Star Trek was in the 60's.

Of course, you can't make money anymore on smart philosophical movies, so the producers made the right move in dumbing it down for today's zero attention span, knuckle dragging teens. But as an old school fan of the franchise, it is a very sad day indeed.

[Digo]

I really enjoyed it.

There will always be 'die-hard' fans who will nitpick and say it sucks. But for the other 99.9999% of people who watch it will like it and enjoy it. It's a trek movie for a new generation of people, and a fresh take for those who are milder fans of the series.

Star Trek never really did appeal to the non-geeks, but with this movie, it just might start to.

[BlazinTrini]

I enjoyed it
The alternate reality was probably needed with the reboot with them starting off when they were young. Which I don't mind. This will lead into other movies as well

[Evil Baby]

It was a fun movie and I'll probably watch it again, but seriously they took some giant liberties in this movie they should have found a way to avoid.

[Digo]

I suppose what separates a Star Trek fan from regular people and "non-geeks" is the fact that we enjoy:

a) common sense
b) good storytelling
c) logical plot development
d) good characterizations

This is not Star Trek, but it is worse than that- it's just plain poor storytelling, and the last I heard, criticizing poor storytelling was not considered "nitpicking". It fails on every level of storytelling and characterization. Go watch Star Trek 6 and try to tell me that J.J.'s movie is better than that film that is an edge of your seat political thriller- and that's a movie that anyone can watch and understand, including "non-geeks", and those who have absolutely no clue about the Star Trek universe.

I'm sorry but have you actually watched the series? They have tons of problems, and most of the episodes are pretty cheesy. But if you take the series as a whole, then yes, they are indeed better.

Besides, the original series wasn't well received either when it aired :P

edit: All I am saying is that on its own, its a good sci-fi flick. But I can totally understand why fans would not like it. Its not meant for them I think.

[BlazinTrini]

I suppose what separates a Star Trek fan from regular people and "non-geeks" is the fact that we enjoy:

a) common sense
b) good storytelling
c) logical plot development
d) good characterizations

This is not Star Trek, but it is worse than that- it's just plain poor storytelling, and the last I heard, criticizing poor storytelling was not considered "nitpicking". It fails on every level of storytelling and characterization. Go watch Star Trek 6 and try to tell me that J.J.'s movie is better than that film that is an edge of your seat political thriller- and that's a movie that anyone can watch and understand, including "non-geeks", and those who have absolutely no clue about the Star Trek universe.


So basically your telling anyone who isn't a big time star trek fan that they are stupid

[bembol]

One of the TV Spots called it "this year's Iron Man."

I had I high expectations/most anticipated. I absolutely loved it, J.J. Abrams did an amazing job and the cast was great! I already saw it twice and can't wait to see it again.

[Chanpod]

wow...alot of you are nit-picking this movie to death.

yeah so maybe using the old time space /alternate universe is a cop out...& what the hell is "red matter" anyway? :confused:

dont know...dont care.

i enjoyed the reality escape.

;)

Keep in mind the nitpickers can say what they want but in the end their opinion means sh1t. Even the hardcore Starwars fans used to nitpick #4-6 to death and they were good movies.

Their opinions (RFD especially) mean nothing compared to the 96% fresh the movie has received from bad to good critics on Rotten Tomatoes.

[time space]

Keep in mind the nitpickers can say what they want but in the end their opinion means sh1t. Even the hardcore Starwars fans used to nitpick #4-6 to death and they were good movies.

Their opinions (RFD especially) mean nothing compared to the 96% fresh the movie has received from bad to good critics on Rotten Tomatoes.

So according to you, a RFD Star Trek fan's opinion means nothing compared to a bad critic's opinion.



(BTW, did you know that many critics work for the same media corporations that own the movie studios? That's a funny coincidence, eh?)

[SAN66]

To all the whiners all I can say is this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02LgdXVkXgM

As much as the above is satire it's a demonstration of the exact reaction from vocal "fanboy's" here and elsewhere on the web. Some people will always criticize remakes as they do not have the ability to observe without comparing to the original.

I've seen all the trek series, from TOS to Enterprise and I thoroughly enjoyed the movie. It doesn't stand up to the amount of hype it was given, but I would watch it again and any sequel they put out.

[Dash]

seriously, it's a shame that some people could dislike the movie as much as they do. It's a solid movie, and very well done. I watched TOS when I was a kid, and I've watched the movies when I was younger, so I have a general knowledge of Star Trek, but I'm not hardcore to the point where I know every detail of the world and remember every episode. After reading some of the comments of the hardcore trekkies, I'm kinda glad I'm not. They love Star Trek so much, that they have such high expectations which actually prevents them from enjoying what is, imo, a very good movie. I can understand some people being annoyed with certain things here and there, and not enjoying certain aspects, but to go as far as saying it's a terrible movie seems ridiculous to me.

[time space]

seriously, it's a shame that some people could dislike the movie as much as they do.

I agree, it is a shame - but it's true. :(

I'm happy for those who enjoyed it though. :)

[BlazinTrini]

seriously, it's a shame that some people could dislike the movie as much as they do. It's a solid movie, and very well done. I watched TOS when I was a kid, and I've watched the movies when I was younger, so I have a general knowledge of Star Trek, but I'm not hardcore to the point where I know every detail of the world and remember every episode. After reading some of the comments of the hardcore trekkies, I'm kinda glad I'm not. They love Star Trek so much, that they have such high expectations which actually prevents them from enjoying what is, imo, a very good movie. I can understand some people being annoyed with certain things here and there, and not enjoying certain aspects, but to go as far as saying it's a terrible movie seems ridiculous to me.

I'm in the same boat as you

[Haz]

I heard they tried to insert him via flashbacks etc but he demanded a bigger role so they turfed him. As usual his gigantic ego gets in the way ...

Shatner said no one came to him about it. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzOs4WEutQ8&feature=related)

This is not criticism from a "hardcore trekkie". There are things in the movie which are not nitpicks, they flat out don't make sense on pure logical plot development and characterization. I don't want to get into spoilers out of respect for those who haven't seen it but I will list a few of them as generally as I can:

<snip>

If this is what passes for good storytelling these days, and all it takes is 100 million dollar Industrial Light and Magic CGI budget to shine a turd, then the film going public and entertainment world is truly "Lost".Haven't watched it yet but sounds like a standard anime-type story where only 16-17 year old can save the world.

Still hyped to see it when I have the time.

[BlazinTrini]

Shatner wouldn't fit into the movie anyway. He is dead unless he came from another alternate reality where he wasn't dead

[Haz]

Shatner wouldn't fit into the movie anyway. He is dead unless he came from another alternate reality where he wasn't deadI thought we was revived in "Ashes of Eden" and other books.

[Angela V]

I'm a huge Trekkie fan. I have watched all the movies, all the tv shows and have some of the comics and novels. I have not watched this movie yet. But my main concern is this need to go backwards. I gave Enterprise a chance because well it is Star Trek and I love Scott Bakula as an actor. I ended up enjoying the series and loved the 4 season the best. I wish the new writer for that season was around since the start.

Now we have a new movie but it's going back again and also using young actors to protray the first Enterprise crew we all got to see on tv. I have been hoping since Enterprise we'd go more into the future of Star Trek. There is so much you can do with this. Considering this movie is being promoted as a movie more for the general public and not the fans, I don't see why they couldn't just go into the future of ST.

But what's done is done. I do know when I do watch it, it will be hard to see characters I know so much doing odd things. Though I'm a Trekkie that has liked every movie but Final Frontier. I just can't get through another viewing of that one it's so bad.

[BlazinTrini]

I thought we was revived in "Ashes of Eden" and other books.

That I wouldn't know since I never read the books. Only watched the movies and tv series. So I'm going based on the last movie he was in Star Trek: Generations

[grappos13]

anyone that has seen the movie, someone that knows nothing about star trek (other than that guy from reading rainbow was on it!), would they/i enjoy this movie and understand whats going on? thx

[sfu_lifer]

Shatner said no one came to him about it. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzOs4WEutQ8&feature=related)

Haven't watched it yet but sounds like a standard anime-type story where only 16-17 year old can save the world.

Still hyped to see it when I have the time.
Except more like they're in their 20s (other than Chekov).

This is from wikipedia:
"William Shatner wanted to appear as the old Kirk, despite the death of the character in Star Trek Generations. He suggested the film canonize the novels where Kirk is resurrected, but Abrams argued, "You and I could come up with dozens of ways [to resurrect Kirk], but every way that we came up with felt like it was transparently fanboys trying to get Shatner in the movie,"[48] and that ultimately, if his character was accompanying Nimoy's, it would have become a film about the resurrection of Kirk, and not about introducing the new versions of the characters.[47] Nimoy disliked the character's death in Generations, but felt resurrecting Kirk would also be detrimental to this film.[13] Shatner added he wanted to share Nimoy's major role, and did not want a cameo.[49] Orci and Kurtzman had written a scene for Shatner before they decided they would rather maintain continuity.[50] Nichelle Nichols suggested playing Uhura's grandmother, but Abrams could not write this in due to the Writers Guild strike.[51] Abrams was also interested in casting Keri Russell, but they deemed the role he had in mind for her too similar to her other roles.[52]"

I understand his response was directed to that quote but hm, who to believe.

His childish feud with George Takei makes me lean towards the anti-Kirk side :lol:

[time space]

anyone that has seen the movie, someone that knows nothing about star trek (other than that guy from reading rainbow was on it!), would they/i enjoy this movie and understand whats going on? thx
The producers claim they made it with that type of audience in mind, so you'll likely understand it.

And if you like modern mindless action movies, then you'll likely enjoy this.

[Digo]

Have you guys watched Wolverine? Star Trek is magnitudes above that movie.

Also, ST is not mindless action. Almost makes me wonder if you guys ever watched the other ST movies. LOL they aren't exactly 'perfect' either, in fact, some of them are really really really really really horrible.

I don't know where this elitism is coming from. Its not like any of the previous movies or series were anything special. Just good ol movies/shows to enjoy for the hell of it.

[sfu_lifer]

Have you guys watched Wolverine? Star Trek is magnitudes above that movie.

Also, ST is not mindless action. Almost makes me wonder if you guys ever watched the other ST movies. LOL they aren't exactly 'perfect' either, in fact, some of them are really really really really really horrible.

I don't know where this elitism is coming from. Its not like any of the previous movies or series were anything special. Just good ol movies/shows to enjoy for the hell of it.
The only star trek movie I finished was Wrath of Khan which was good until Shatner's horrible acting near the "tragic" scene near the end. The others were so horrible I stopped before the ending (the lame "save the whales" one esp comes to mind). This was the 1st star trek movie I watched in the theater since there are enough action scenes to warrant it.

[bembol]

I agree with Dash, sometimes you have to sit back and enjoy the ride.

I'm not a Trekkie but after reading what happened with Shatner, I'm happy Abrams shut him down.

[Evil Baby]

The only star trek movie I finished was Wrath of Khan which was good until Shatner's horrible acting near the "tragic" scene near the end. The others were so horrible I stopped before the ending (the lame "save the whales" one esp comes to mind). This was the 1st star trek movie I watched in the theater since there are enough action scenes to warrant it.

save the whales was awesome, also First Contact was good.

[Mr. Robo]

I'm glad that Shatner is not in this movie. Final Frontier, Undiscovered Country, Generations sucked big time. Also, the whole "passing of the guard" is so overrated. Old actors/characters should stay within their own movie timeline.

[Zeev20]

anyone that has seen the movie, someone that knows nothing about star trek (other than that guy from reading rainbow was on it!), would they/i enjoy this movie and understand whats going on? thx


Yes someone who has not watched the tv series etc could watch this movie and enjoy it.

Having watched all the movies and all the TV series (yes that even includes Enterprise) I did not find the movie bad or the end of Trek as we now it as some people are making it sound like.

Yes they took some liberties, yes their is a lot of action & explosions and epic music. Yes its a movie that was created for the masses and not the die hard trek fans who live with their moms and have no social live. (Anyone remember Shatner's famous line in Saturday Night Live? :twisted:)

Its not a bad move or an amazing movie either. Its not the best trek movie or the worst. Its far better then the last few Star Trek movies though. If you go to the movie expecting to have a movie follow the Star Trek cannon to the letter don't bother.

If you want to go to a movie and enjoy a action packed movie that is wearing the Star Trek clothing then you probably will enjoy it.

Just my two cents

[wju2004]

I thought that this was one of the better Star Trek movies. The only other one that I would rate as being as good in terms of the storyline etc. would have been Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan.
This movie had a good storyline, good character development and was quite a good balance of CGI and action, without it dominating the movie. I also thought that there was good balance of Kirk's past and Spock's past in the movie as a prelude to the development of their friendship.
I've been lucky enough to watch this twice now, and with 2 different audiences but enjoyed it both times. I'm a Trekkie (bought the whole set of BK glasses to prove it) and I can recommend this film to fans, and to newbies alike.

[time space]

I did not find the movie bad or the end of Trek as we now it as some people are making it sound like.

I disagree.

This movie is the end of Star Trek, and the first movie in a new franchise which would have been more accurately named: Generic Space Action Movie.

[Talamasca]

seriously, it's a shame that some people could dislike the movie as much as they do. It's a solid movie, and very well done. I watched TOS when I was a kid, and I've watched the movies when I was younger, so I have a general knowledge of Star Trek, but I'm not hardcore to the point where I know every detail of the world and remember every episode. After reading some of the comments of the hardcore trekkies, I'm kinda glad I'm not. They love Star Trek so much, that they have such high expectations which actually prevents them from enjoying what is, imo, a very good movie. I can understand some people being annoyed with certain things here and there, and not enjoying certain aspects, but to go as far as saying it's a terrible movie seems ridiculous to me.

I would say I'm more of a hardcore fan (if only they offered university degrees in fictional 24th century history!) but I fully agree with your statement.

The weight of the franchise was just too overbearing to tackle. Ron Moore (Battlestar Galactica) said the same thing when he was on DS9. Every storyline had to go through very careful scrutiny to make sure it didn't go against what was said in another episode or movie, making it difficult to make major changes. DS9 had an abandoned storyline where the Federation broke out in civil war with Vulcan seceding from the organization but they scrapped it because it was too "big" and potentially damaging to the franchise.

I think what they did by creating an alternate timeline was brilliant. Now they have carte blanche (more or less) to do what they want without disrupting the "original" universe and the Almighty Canon. The old Trek was on death's door anyway, with the failure of Enterprise and the last two movies. A reboot with fresh blood was definitely the way to go, as the excellent critical response and gonzo box office have shown.

For those who hate this New Trek, you have 10 movies, 6 TV series comprising hundreds of episodes, hundreds of novels, comics, video games, etc. for you to watch until you croak, which is far more than any other entertainment franchise out there. Be glad for that.

[sfu_lifer]

Did they say if they were ever going to turn this into a TV series?

I'm hoping they do so Quinto will stay away from Heroes. I'm tired of Sylar :cheesygri

[zod]

I thoroughly enjoyed this movie. I've enjoyed most of the trek that has been producted (except for maybe star trek nemesis).

They've recasted the characters, but I think they did it really well. And it was really good to have storys around kirk and spock again.

I really really enjoyed it. I have no problem that its a semi-reboot. You could never do another kirk/spock based series without it. They'res too much trek that was produced, too much cannon, and if you want to right stories where we don't know the ending, a reboot is the only way.

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I can't believe they destroyed Vulcan. How f'ing bold was that! I kept waiting for them to reset that part of the story but they never did.

[bembol]

I thoroughly enjoyed this movie. I've enjoyed most of the trek that has been producted (except for maybe star trek nemesis).

They've recasted the characters, but I think they did it really well. And it was really good to have storys around kirk and spock again.

I really really enjoyed it. I have no problem that its a semi-reboot. You could never do another kirk/spock based series without it. They'res too much trek that was produced, too much cannon, and if you want to right stories where we don't know the ending, a reboot is the only way.


I saw an interview with Abrams' and that's exactly what he said.

J.J. Abrams really did an amazing job, what he did with the Star Trek reminds me of Christopher Nolan and Batman Begins/The Dark Knight. I hope he makes a sequel and go even deeper/stronger like what Nolan did!!!

I would be extremely disappointed if X-Men Origins: Wolverine dominates again this weekend. :evil:

[zod]

I saw an interview with Abrams' and that's exactly what he said.

J.J. Abrams really did an amazing job, what he did with the Star Trek reminds me of Christopher Nolan and Batman Begins/The Dark Knight. I hope he makes a sequel and go even deeper/stronger like what Nolan did!!!

I would be extremely disappointed if X-Men Origins: Wolverine dominates again this weekend. :evil:

I hope we get sequel as well. I saw it in a matinee today and theatre was 80 percent full, and there was applause when it was over. I guess I wasn't the only one who liked seeing the original series crew in action again. I'm really surprised at some of the negative reviews in the previous pages of this thread. The federation was suppose to be peaceful, but in the movies/tv shows they always found someone to fight.. dominion, romulans, cardassians, klingons, voyager 6 lol...
I really liked the way they brought the old crew together (since it had to be different than the original plotline). I know it doesn't feel like old trek, but there's alot of old trek. 10 movies, 5 tv series representing over 500 hours of television? Changing it up a bit doesn't hurt. I look forward to the sequels.

[Talamasca]

I would be extremely disappointed if X-Men Origins: Wolverine dominates again this weekend. :evil:

Star Trek is on track to make about $70M this weekend. Wolverine about $26-30M.

[konfusion666]

I'm actually quite surprised at the positive reviews. I'm the biggest star trek fan I know - I've watched every movie dozens of times, and have seen every episode of every series (even the much maligned "enterprise") dozens of times.... so of course I was very excited for this movie. I suppose the action was good, but it just didn't feel like star trek. Overall I left feeling kinda strange...

I also don't understand why they had to 'reboot' the series and change things so drastically. They could have made virtually the same movie without destroying vulcan (just destroy some other planet), or even without killing spock's mom....

I'll come back with a longer review later... but that is my initial impression.

Wait until the strange feeling turns into HATRED of what just happened to you.

I agree with Deal-Ion and gei - however successful at the box office this movie may end up - it ain't Star Trek.

Star Trek always had action, but it was built over a foundation of thoughtfulness and character development. Kirk was a master of diplomacy as well as battle. Spock was 99% logical, not an insecure child ready to snap at any moment. McCoy was a central character, and he sure wasn't a wimp as shown here. The federation was about peace and exploration, but now reflects our real world war culture, instead of being an alternative to it as Star Trek was in the 60's.

Of course, you can't make money anymore on smart philosophical movies, so the producers made the right move in dumbing it down for today's zero attention span, knuckle dragging teens. But as an old school fan of the franchise, it is a very sad day indeed.

Originally I had a similar opinion to you guys. i.e. for the past day or so, since I just watched it last night...

However, now I'm beginning to think that a "reboot" of Trek into an "alternate timeline" isn't necessarily a bad thing. I just try to put myself in the shoes of the hardcore Battlestar Galactica fans who really hated the 2003+ series. It's sort of the same thing with this. Just as we have 2 separate BSGs now: Glen Larson BSG and Ronald Moore BSG - we now have 2 separate Treks: Roddenberry/Berman Star Trek and J.J.Abrams Star Trek.

Roddenberry/Berman Star Trek = more philosophical, continuing in the tradition of "literary" science-fiction, like Arthur C. Clark, Isaac Asimov, Robert A Heinlein

J.J.Abrams Star Trek = sci-fi action-adventure for a post 9/11, "24"-watching world... Bang! Boom! Ka-plooey!

Take your pick. I think I might be able to enjoy actually having both.

[Unicron]

not sure how long this will stay up but someone is streamign full movie

http://www.justin.tv/metal__messiah


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[bembol]

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Trekkies Bash New Star Trek!

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/trekkies_bash_new_star_trek_film

[rpeatt]

Wicked movie, my wife and I both loved it. Go see it, try and do it on the IMAX if you can!

[Chanpod]

save the whales was awesome, also First Contact was good.

First Contact FTW.

[time space]

However, now I'm beginning to think that a "reboot" of Trek into an "alternate timeline" isn't necessarily a bad thing.
I don't have a problem with the alternative timeline. I have a problem with how poorly written and shallow this particular reboot is.



Roddenberry/Berman Star Trek = more philosophical, continuing in the tradition of "literary" science-fiction, like Arthur C. Clark, Isaac Asimov, Robert A Heinlein
"More" philosophical? There's no philosophy in the reboot.



J.J.Abrams Star Trek = sci-fi action-adventure for a post 9/11, "24"-watching world... Bang! Boom! Ka-plooey!
I agree with everything in this statement except your use of the word "sci-fi". Star Trek had always attempted to use accurate science, or at least logical extensions of existing science. Abrams removed any semblance of science from the reboot. Just replace it with the word "space", and it will be a true (though sad) statement.

[originalnutta]

I don't have a problem with the alternative timeline. I have a problem with how poorly written and shallow this particular reboot is.




"More" philosophical? There's no philosophy in the reboot.




I agree with everything in this statement except your use of the word "sci-fi". Star Trek had always attempted to use accurate science, or at least logical extensions of existing science. Abrams removed any semblance of science from the reboot. Just replace it with the word "space", and it will be a true (though sad) statement.Your comments are disheartening. :o

But i'll reserve judgment till i watch it on Monday.

One reason i enjoyed Star Trek is for the innocence of it all. Its a show that can be watched by young and old alike. There are very few shows i can watch with my folks, and ST is one of them.

And people didn't tune in to watch big explosions and crazy CGI, so i'm hoping the story takes precedent.

[maebach]

Good movie. Ive watched 1 ST movie before and I hated it. This was much better

[rfdrfd]

Saw it last night, not a bad movie .... if you aren't a star trek fan.

1. How can their ship's instruments look soooo much more advanced compared to Kirk's old series? Which looked like cardboards compared to this. This movie's main monitor was as big as a wall ! And its glass like? Captain Kirk's old series's main screen was like the size of a table.

2. Can they really transport to a ship during warp ? In that day and age when Kirk was young?

[SuckaB]

Saw it last night, not a bad movie .... if you aren't a star trek fan.

1. How can their ship's instruments look soooo much more advanced compared to Kirk's old series? Which looked like cardboards compared to this. This movie's main monitor was as big as a wall ! And its glass like? Captain Kirk's old series's main screen was like the size of a table.

2. Can they really transport to a ship during warp ? In that day and age when Kirk was young?


My take:
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1) it's almost a tradition that each Enterprise is remade a little newer, whenever newer movies came out in the past. Obviously it doesn't make sense in terms of continuity, but I'd prefer it over the old crappy enterprise anyday.

2) This is the alternate reality, one changed by many events. Old Spock did give them the "yet undiscovered" equation near the end.

[originalnutta]

on ST: Enterprise, the bridge was more modern than the TOS episodes.

Of course they will make it look new. No one wants to watch some gross old computer screens displaying in 800x600.

[skyrink]

Just saw the movie today in IMAX in Vaughan.

Pretending to be a non Trekkie fan, I loved it!! The all around good entertaining movie would get me interested in the series and anything else it produces for the near future.

As a Trekkie fan, I thought it was pretty good. Though like many said, it deviates from the original story line. But think about it, like Star Wars, you can never have a picture perfect storyline exactly like the series before it. The point of reviving the series with a movie is to put a modern spin on it to put interest into the 21st century audience. It had enough of the original plots and characters in it to make it a Star Trek film and it also has enough new things in it to make the series go further than it did from the old movies and make use of the modern perspective that we have now. Only the story line is brought back before TOS, but the technology we see and special effects will obviously be better.

In the end, I really liked the movie and I thought that they're heading in the right direction. Making clear that it is an alternate timeline allows them to reshape the whole franchise in another direction, and thus spawning new life. It begins again...

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8/10 :)

[zod]

Wow there's alot of harsh posts on the new movie. I thought there was enough character development. Spock's vulcan/human conflict, kirk's ascenion to captain.

We are hoping for sequels are we not? Didn't need blow the whole load in the first movie?

Yes there was alot of CGI and space battles, but I don't think this movie would have been as good as it was without its stellar cast. The actors portraying the new crew, made this movie more than the CGI.

The old trek universe wasn't as peaceful as every one makes it out to be? It's just that humans stopped fighting eacher other. Instead of global fights, it was galaxy fights. As much peace and philisophy in trek, there has been war and action.

I suppose I never had much of a problem with the bsg reboot either. I look forward to trek sequels, and hopefully they keep going and building that character development some people want.

How much character development did we get in the motion picture? but the movie after it.. wham! Hopefully we get plenty of movies to explore it.

[CSAgent]

Saw it tonight and all I can say is this... ok not just this but many damn things on how bad this movie is.

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First, how in the hell did this get a 96% rating on Rotten Tomatoes is beyond me. This movie is a travesty, a clear insult, a direct slap to the face and bend over royal screw in the ass of what should be a parody of 43 years of Star Trek history. (The TOS aired in 1966.)

I don't care if this is a damn reboot, at least stick to the established original material. Enterprise COMING OUT OF WARP NEXT TO THE DAMN PLANET, REALLY? Does Abrams even know about the navigational deflector that's present on every Federation ship, its main purpose is to push debris/asteroids/space material out of the way as to not hit the ship? Every ST movie, TV series have ALWAYS had the ship come out of warp far beyond any planet's orbit and then proceed to the planet under half impulse power...and even then, the ship's sensors always, always were able to tell them what's ahead way before they even come out of warp... They don't just fly right next to the enemy ship, never mind the debris of other destroyed ships! It's like Enterprise saying, "hey look at me, I'm blind and dumb so I'm gonna come out of warp next to a big bad warship and make myself an easy target!" Geez, that's been established in every canonical material of Star Trek to date! It goes beyond common sense, hell in our own freakin' real world you don't send in a flagship without some kind of reconnaissance first!

It's like Abrams said: "Let's assume the audience watching this movie will have an IQ of a peanut, no wait that's too much intelligence - the IQ of a pebble and dumb it down to the level of a pile of dog poop!"

The engine room of Enterprise and the Kelvin looking like a damn chemical factory, like, WHAT THE @#$#@?!?!? Are you damn serious? There's all these pipes, THE ENTERPRISE HAS A SEE-THROUGH WATER SLIDE?? Give me a break here! With the big budget you couldn't make a REAL ENGINEERING SET? Multiple warp cores? Really? Are you f@#$#@ing serious?? And what is up with the rocket like propulsion on the warp nacelles? It's been established for 43 years that warp drives create a warp bubble in which it propels ships forward! Not some fancy rocket like engine! Enterprise having pulse phaser turrets that resembles Star Wars' autocannons, ugh, thanks for screwing that up Abrams!

Last but not least, SPOCK AND UHURA HOOKING UP? OMGGGG! *sigh* I'd rather have the romance of the great Captain Jean Luc Picard hooking up with a 300 year old woman from a planet whose environment provides a natural rejuvenation power from Star Trek Insurrection than this garbage! Uhura is a communications officer and nowhere in the movie did we really see her at work, she just stands there looking pretty and repeats what Spock or somebody else has already said... like really, come on, Abrams what are you smoking and can we please have some of it before we go see this garbage of a Star Trek movie?

Blowing up planet Vulcan, again, why??? As one of the founding members of the Federation, they would have a sizeable defense force as to not let a space faring drill dig a hole all the way to the core...what the hell is this Red Matter and where did it came from? Ugh so many damn things wrong with this movie...

This movie is all steroids and no heart, I honestly did not care about anybody in this movie save for the soul of the great bird of the galaxy, Gene Roddenberry and his wife, Majel Roddenberry - God rest their souls. If he were alive today, he would have put a stop to this nonsensical garbage before it even made it to script!

J.J. Abrams, you FAILED MISERABLY! EPICALLY FAILED! You just FAILED big time! The closing lines read by Lenard Nimoy should be: "Star Trek - to boldly go where no pile of shi.te have gone before!"

[Irish13]

Took both my sons to see it and we loved it. Interesting to get the three reactions. My oldest son was familiar with Star Trek and got alot of the humour/classic lines that made us chuckle. My youngest had never seen Star Trek and just thought it was a great movie. I thought itwas great especially the guy playing McCoy. He was perfect. I didn't want to see an exact copy of the original series, I was looking forward to seeing the intial meetings between these lifelong friends and I thought it was done perfectly. Not sure about Spock/Uhura and wished Scotty was used better but otherwise it was great.

We had a bunch of women show up for the screening dressed as vulcans and Klingons, no Romulans.

[Mr. Robo]

Love the way Deal-lon and alike are all rattled up at this movie. :lol:

[time space]

Love the way Deal-lon and alike are all rattled up at this movie. :lol:

You love the way that some people are rattled at seeing something they have loved for decades desecrated?

What kind of sick, sadistic person are you?

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[wiggy]

I saw the movie last night and generally liked it. Sure it was full of minor annoyances if you're a long time Trekker, but all-in-all it was fun to watch (and had just as many goodies for the longtime Trekker). It keeps you engaged throughout. The story is at least decent and not something totally dumbass like #5 was.

Some random pros and cons and observations:

You can't blow up Vulcan, its too big a deal to the ST universe. Then again, they killed Spock and brought him back, so what do you want to bet that ST(reboot) goes back through some sort of time rift to remake the planet? Blowing up Romulus was pretty dim, too. For you classicists it smacks of the Organian Peace Treaty that neutured the Klingons as bad guys in TOS. Not a good move.

Kind of a lame bad guy. Shouldn't you have to have some sort of license if you're a miner flying around in a planet drilling rig capable of such mayhem? A Matrix/ganster look to that bunch which was okay compared to the opera costume approach.

Kirk getting beat up or hanging by his fingernails on some sort of precipice over and over again was getting kind of old by the end of the movie. And for SciFi in general its getting to be too cliche to pitch your bad guys into some sort of bottomless pit at the heart of some mechanical monster.

The cast took a really in your face approach. Kind of fun and it'll probably hold up for at least one more flick, but to see it over and over again? Might get tired if they continue to be so flip, so it'll be interesting to see how the characters are developed down the way.

Generally nice special effects throughout. No it doesn't look like the old ST - why should it? Nice update with proper homage to the original. Thank god they didn't let some refugee from the cafeteria re-design the uniforms (again) like they did in movies 1-5.

Widely varying handling of the secondary characters (Sulu, Chekov, Scotty, Uhura). Not bad handling of Sulu, Chekov a little too over the top, hope for Scotty's character, Uhuru clearly returned to simply being eye candy. Really nice work with McCoys character as part of the big three and a real nice turn with the character of Captain Pike.

Some well-made aliens were kind of fun as part of the scenery.

[time space]

For those having difficulty empathizing with some of the old school fans' disappointment with the reboot, I have a parallel example which may help you to understand our feelings.

Imagine one of your favourite classic rock songs (insert yours here), let's say Led Zeppelin's Whole Lotta Love being covered by Celine Dion and becoming a bigger hit than it ever was back in the day.

Modern middle of the road music lovers declare that Celine Dion finally understands what Led Zeppelin never did, and they procede to laugh at the old school fans for their ignorance and naivete.

[SAN66]

For those having difficulty empathizing with some of the old school fans' disappointment with the reboot, I have a parallel example which may help you to understand our feelings.

Imagine one of your favourite classic rock songs (insert yours here), let's say Led Zeppelin's Whole Lotta Love being covered by Celine Dion and becoming a bigger hit than it ever was back in the day.

Modern middle of the road music lovers declare that Celine Dion finally understands what Led Zeppelin never did, and they procede to laugh at the old school fans for their ignorance and naivete.

I'm sorry that's a poor analogy. Celine Dion is not the same genre as Zeppelin.

A better analogy would be a newer band doing a cover of an older song and people decrying that the new version is better than the original.

Sticking with the Led Zeppelin analogy, its more akin to Zeppelin's cover of "You shook me". Some prefer the more traditional original by Muddy Waters, some say the edgier Zeppelin version is far better, still most will say what AC/DC did with it was best (though not an exact cover, but neither is the new Star Trek), but most will appreciate each for what they are.

Or if you want a newer example how about Alien Ant Farms "Smooth Criminal", some die hard MJ fans will stand by the original, some hard core rockers will love AAF's version, but most will listen to either.

[Vertigo]

If this film had no space battles, and they were all implied on screen, people would think the movie sucks.

You could say that about almost any action flick. And yeah, this was pretty much Star Trek: With a Vengeance.

So they took TOS and replaced camp and corn with explosions and an Apple aesthetic. And I'm not gonna lie - canonical aspects and a myriad of technical sci-fi details suffered greatly. I'll agree with CSAgent's criticisms, adding one of my own: why bother drilling to the centre of the planets in the first place? From the looks of it, a few drops of "RED MATTER!!111" anywhere near a planet would cause it to go bye-bye, no?

That being said... come on. Star Trek ain't Shakespeare. There are moments where it strives for, and sometimes achieves, expression of some deep message. But there are also times where said message is delivered incredibly ham-handedly, and with plenty of elbow grease (action, streeetch of canon, plot contrivances, etc.). If you're a fan, you know this and accept it as just another aspect of Star Trek.

There are episodes of Star Trek that are clearly just for fun. If you can watch Spock do a sig heil (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6XLE7qZxik) and tell me with a straight face that Star Trek is all about SERIuS BIZNESS!!, well, I can't help you.

Why not embrace (or at least accept) the new Star Trek for what it is: pop-corn Star Trek? Abrams hasn't declared his Star Trek the be all and end all - and it certainly isn't. But taken as just one tiny part of a vast universe, I think it does well in adding a bit of spice to what has become, in recent years, something of an irrelevant snooze-fest.

[JustinCredible]

I like Star Trek and I liked the new Star Trek.

The new Star Trek will probably never be the philosophical space series as TOS, TNG and DS9. What I got out of the movie was an enjoyable flick and a fresh slate for old characters, exactly what I expected. I hope in the future films they take a page out of the older series and slide some more character development and intelligence - But for now I'm satisfied.

At least it wasn't a total wash like Transformers where instead of Krik/Spock being the main focus they use Nurse Chapel as the main character.

It seems that some folks would have preferred that Trek ended as opposed to fade away - like it seemed to be going after Nemesis stunk up theatres and Enterprise was given the axe (even after it had started to improve).

For the people who haven't seen TOS, watch it - its fantastic and better than 75% of the shows that stink up the television airwaves nowadays with the amount of procedurals making television writing seem like a big rubber stamp.

[i6s1]

Sorry guys.... TOS is gone.

Star Trek needed a fun, action packed movie to draw out new fans. If they tried to launch with a complicated story that a noob couldn't follow, the reboot would have been a failure. Now that new fans are interested and have some understanding of Trek, the sequals can revisit the old storylines.

[tdu]

I think this is a very apt analogy. Star Trek in J.J. Abrams' hands is the equivalent of Celine Dion destroying a classic song beyond recognition and everyone claiming it's the better version of the song.

I am sorry, but there are opinions that are flat out wrong, and people who think this movie is good by any stretch of the imagination are mistaken. This is poor writing and poor characterization with a veneer of "cool" (CGI) that makes the public feel like they have gotten their money's worth.

I have to ask these same people if they felt they were watching quality during the last battle in Attack of the Clones, when there was so much CGI on screen ILM practically had to build Skynet to render it all. What about the ending battle of Matrix Revolutions? Surely those films are classics because of the CGI. We might as well go to the National archives and burn all copies of The Godfather, Gone With the Wind and other landmarks of cinema since the only criterion of filmic and entertainment value is CGI.

Why even bother going to the theatre if you don't care about stories or characters? Write to your local MPP and get them to invest in hydraulic seats that move at the theatre so you can live out your dream of riding an amusement park attraction. Don't let the illogic of the plot get in the way of your enjoyment, don't let the poor dialogue and characterization get in the way of your supreme pleasure of cutting to the chase and getting to the special FX.

Film is dead, there are no stories anymore. Movies nowadays are essentially amusement park simulations with music video editing in order to appeal to the largest swath of ADHD viewers with seemingly endless disposable income for the most trivial of pursuits. It's the faster, disposable nature of our society which has cannibalized the film experience and turned it into a light show for retards.

A monkey could have smeared his turds on a piece of celluloid, and as long as it was digitized and CGI was added to his "composition" you people would have paid twice to see it out of sheer joy for the value of seeing computer FX. God help your bank account if said film was in IMAX 3D.

I am just curious why your opinion is absolute and correct? Not trying to do it in a rude way either, it's a legitimate question. If someone else enjoyed the film, whether they are Star Trek fans are not, who are you to tell them they are wrong? There is nothing in your posts stating it's 'your opinion', you are flat out saying it's bad because you say it's bad. Lot's of people who a varying degrees of fans seem to disagree.

To those who didn't like it, what would you have liked to have seen instead? I am a Star Trek fan, but the last few movies were more like a goof. Like really bad TV episodes stretched into a movie. Really, I don't think any of the movies have been as good as the shows. I haven't seen the movie yet, so I don't know what exactly the direction is... but I have to think almost ANY new direction would be an improvement over some of the movies. And this movie actually being popular will lead to more movies. Because I don't think anyone was jumping to put money into anything similar to the previous movies anymore.

[Bskll]

I am just curious why your opinion is absolute and correct? Not trying to do it in a rude way either, it's a legitimate question. If someone else enjoyed the film, whether they are Star Trek fans are not, who are you to tell them they are wrong? There is nothing in your posts stating it's 'your opinion', you are flat out saying it's bad because you say it's bad. Lot's of people who a varying degrees of fans seem to disagree.

To those who didn't like it, what would you have liked to have seen instead? I am a Star Trek fan, but the last few movies were more like a goof. Like really bad TV episodes stretched into a movie. Really, I don't think any of the movies have been as good as the shows. I haven't seen the movie yet, so I don't know what exactly the direction is... but I have to think almost ANY new direction would be an improvement over some of the movies. And this movie actually being popular will lead to more movies. Because I don't think anyone was jumping to put money into anything similar to the previous movies anymore.

Don't worry, deal-ion must've had a warp nacelle shoved up his butt by jj abrams to hate the man so much. As soon as JJ abrams comes to pull it out, deal-ion with be fine again and not act like his opinions are facts.

[bembol]

I expected higher numbers over the weekend, with Abrams behind the camera and critics loving it. It made over $75 Million.

I'm watching it for the third time tonight. This is going to be a LONG four, five months before the BD is released. :(

[time space]

I'm sorry that's a poor analogy. Celine Dion is not the same genre as Zeppelin.

Star Trek XI is in the action genre, while the rest of Star Trek was in the sci-fi genre.

[SuckaB]

Don't worry, deal-ion must've had a warp nacelle shoved up his butt by jj abrams to hate the man so much. As soon as JJ abrams comes to pull it out, deal-ion with be fine again and not act like his opinions are facts.

+1 ... there are no "wrong" opinions.

A turd in his perspective may be gold to others. :cheesygri
(which says a lot about different tastes)

[SAN66]

Star Trek XI is in the action genre, while the rest of Star Trek was in the sci-fi genre.

Really this latest Star Trek movie wasn't a sci-fi movie? Coulda fooled me.

Oh and thanks for ignoring the rest of my post which expanded on my point.

[wiggy]

For those having difficulty empathizing with some of the old school fans' disappointment with the reboot, I have a parallel example which may help you to understand our feelings.

Imagine one of your favourite classic rock songs (insert yours here), let's say Led Zeppelin's Whole Lotta Love being covered by Celine Dion and becoming a bigger hit than it ever was back in the day.

Modern middle of the road music lovers declare that Celine Dion finally understands what Led Zeppelin never did, and they procede to laugh at the old school fans for their ignorance and naivete.

A frightening explanation. I must now leave to slash my wrists. Celine Dion. Ew.

(a well made explanation, thx)

[Spongeg]

i loved it

i think it did enough to expose star trek to people who know nothing about it

problem is trekkies - they are never satisfied

[mudman24]

Im a trekkie, seen all the series, more than 2xs each, have all on dvd and I can say i really enjoyed the film. The film has updated the star trek series to modern day times, to what people now a days want to watch. Should cause the series to explode once again.

[zod]

I am just curious why your opinion is absolute and correct? Not trying to do it in a rude way either, it's a legitimate question. If someone else enjoyed the film, whether they are Star Trek fans are not, who are you to tell them they are wrong? There is nothing in your posts stating it's 'your opinion', you are flat out saying it's bad because you say it's bad. Lot's of people who a varying degrees of fans seem to disagree.

To those who didn't like it, what would you have liked to have seen instead? I am a Star Trek fan, but the last few movies were more like a goof. Like really bad TV episodes stretched into a movie. Really, I don't think any of the movies have been as good as the shows. I haven't seen the movie yet, so I don't know what exactly the direction is... but I have to think almost ANY new direction would be an improvement over some of the movies. And this movie actually being popular will lead to more movies. Because I don't think anyone was jumping to put money into anything similar to the previous movies anymore.

Yah I don't get that guys comments either. I've watched everything from TOS to Enterprise. I've liked most of it.

I expected a more action orientated film. When the TOS movie picked up the cast members were a fair bit older already. By the time they made WOK, they decided to address the age issues as part of the story line.

This is a young crew. I'd expect more energy, and balls out action from Kirk.

That being said... I'm also not sure why he rants that we love the movie because of the CGI? My favorite parts were character moments.. like.. lets name him after your father... Tyberious are you kidding?!?! lets name him after your father.. jim.

Kirk beating to Kobiyashi Maru and how smug he was with the hole test. Kirk's barfight scene, then Captain Pike stepping in as a father figure and getting Kirk to join starfleet.

Kirk callout out Spock during his trial, how they didn't get along at first. I like how all the characters intertwine to give us to the end where the entreprise crew as we know seeks out new life, new civilizations etc..

Take nemesis, that tried to be an action movie. A big huge Romulan/Reman ship, that was nothing but a warship. Lots of action scenes, a revenge laden bad guy.. and space battles. Yet it was a steaming pile of crap.

I liked this move better than any of the star wars prequels. This new Star Trek movie is quite good. It's a different twist on the TOS, but I really liked it. I think alot of other people did too. If you look at the ratings on rotton tomatos or IMDB, its rates really high.

I think the people that didn't like it are in the minority. I think their more like original BSG fans that just can't let go and try something new. Are they so set in their ways that they've lost their usefulness? :)

[Talamasca]

I expected higher numbers over the weekend, with Abrams behind the camera and critics loving it. It made over $75 Million.(

At the end of the day, it's still Star Trek with its scary obsessive fanbase and that turns off a lot of people so $75M is amazing (Nemesis only made like $40M TOTAL). It made more money on Saturday than Friday, which is pretty rare and indicates great word of mouth.

[sfu_lifer]

At the end of the day, it's still Star Trek with its scary obsessive fanbase and that turns off a lot of people so $75M is amazing (Nemesis only made like $40M TOTAL). It made more money on Saturday than Friday, which is pretty rare and indicates great word of mouth.
For a Sci-fi flick that's not as beloved as Star Wars (for "normal" folks, personally don't care for that series either), I think $75mill is quite a good haul. Should definitely bode well for more sequels. I hope they start filming again soon :cheesygri

[emacs]

I am sorry, but there are opinions that are flat out wrong ...

irony at its finest.

[emacs]

;)

Quinto and Pine respond to a certain segment of fans
http://www.hulu.com/watch/72444/saturday-night-live-update-feature-star-trek

[Vertigo]

Film is dead, there are no stories anymore.

Would you like a side of ORLY with your facepalm?

Honestly, listen to yourself. Film is dead? Really? God, why didn't somebody tell me before now? There are no stories anymore?! Wow, excuse me while I go slit my wrists.

[SuckaB]

;)

Quinto and Pine respond to a certain segment of fans
http://www.hulu.com/watch/72444/saturday-night-live-update-feature-star-trek

haha that's great

[Chanpod]

Would you like a side of ORLY with your facepalm?

Honestly, listen to yourself. Film is dead? Really? God, why didn't somebody tell me before now? There are no stories anymore?! Wow, excuse me while I go slit my wrists.

http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/img/facepalm.jpeg

[supergenius]

Just finished watching this with my wife and kids (boys 11 and 8) and we thought it was great!! I think what J.J has done is revived a dead series by introducing a whole new generation to Star Trek that had no interest previously.

Btw, anyone else catch the "slusho" reference? I thought it was clever.

[BlazinTrini]

Just finished watching this with my wife and kids (boys 11 and 8) and we thought it was great!! I think what J.J has done is revived a dead series by introducing a whole new generation to Star Trek that had no interest previously.

Btw, anyone else catch the "slusho" reference? I thought it was clever.

Yeah I did when they were at the bar

[infamouskid]

to everyone who hasnt seen this movie yet. GO.
been a loyal star trek fan for ages and i can honestly say. what abrams has done with this reimagined star trek is very very good. both new trek and and old trekkies and ers will like it.

[Mr. Robo]

Unfortunately for you Deal-lon, this piece of garbage (as you say) will be the top grossing Star Trek movie in the history of this franchise.
You should thank your lucky stars, there'll be more Star Trek movies.

[bembol]

My goodness. LOL

[SuckaB]

To all of you: So there are no opinions that are WRONG?

What about these scenarios:

1. What about people who have the opinion that one particular ethnic group must be killed? Surely, their opinion can't be WRONG.

2. People who have an opinion that 1+1=3. Surely, their opinion can't be WRONG.

3. What about people who have the opinion there is a higher power? Surely, their opinion can't be WRONG.


I stand by my statement. They are just different opinions, who are you to say what's right or wrong? 1+1 may not be 3 in today's standards, but it's just the way they went with the numbering system. These are not wrong opinions, they are merely different. Sure, some people "have the opinion that one particular ethnic group must be killed", but this does not prove them wrong for having an opinion. What's WRONG is the actual killing and intentions to carry out such an act. Not for having a differing opinion.

My point is, even if they don't fit the current acceptable social conventions, it doesn't make them "wrong" for having an opinion. Just as I acknowledge the fact that you are entitled to your own opinions, and I'm giving out my view in a civilized manner (instead of merely writing off other opinions as uninformed).

Unless, of course, you care to define your definition of "wrong."

[Ojam]

I hate to agree with Deal-ion, because I did enjoy the movie, but he is 100% correct, opinions can logically be wrong.

[tdu]

To all of you: So there are no opinions that are WRONG?

What about these scenarios:

1. What about people who have the opinion that one particular ethnic group must be killed? Surely, their opinion can't be WRONG.

2. People who have an opinion that 1+1=3. Surely, their opinion can't be WRONG.

3. What about people who have the opinion there is a higher power? Surely, their opinion can't be WRONG.

There are many more examples of opinions that are wrong. If you enjoyed Star Trek, the issue really just comes down to your poor taste as a viewer, because yes- there are standards. Look at the AFI Top 100 list, and those films indisputably deserve their ranking. Go to an art gallery to see paintings that are priceless- there is a global quantifiable standard for art. This holds true for film -it has nothing to do with popular opinion (because box office success has no impact on a film becoming a cultural touchstone or landmark for the medium). Read about the Cahiers du Cinema, read about the New Wave and its influence. Watch other films and inform yourself and you will see a whole new world. Your standards for cinema and for the potential of what cinema can be does not end at the technical considerations. Film is an intersection of form and content to create meaning and new refreshing interpretations of the world around us while moving the medium forward.

Don't accept crap from Hollywood just because it has a $200 million veneer. Try to have an INFORMED opinion instead of passing off rottentomatoes.com reviewer consensus off as your own. You can be better viewers of cinema, and it will enrich your lives. You don't eat the same meal everyday, why subject yourself to the same types of films repeatedly?

So, people aren't allowed to like this movie? Why because someone legitimately likes it, are they catering to someone else? By telling them they should only listen to what you say because only you are right, you are just telling them to be a different kind of sheep. As another poster just pointed out, irony at it's finest.

How are any of the previous Star Trek films a cultural landmark? Some of them are downright horrible. Why aren't you knocking any of them or accusing them of disrespecting the original series?

And again, if you do want more Star Trek movies, what would your solution or vision have been instead of what they came up with for this film?

You are just a film/culture snob to the highest degree. The fact that you get wound up enough to insult users of the forum because they like a movie is just plain scary.

[MrDisco]

Just came back from seeing it. I didn't read any reviews, blogs, or this thread prior so I had an untainted viewing. Overall I liked it..maybe 75/100.

Pros
-Some of the actors were spot on - Bones, Scotty, Kirk were fantastic. Quintin was good too but I still keep seeing Sylar. It was interesting to see Uhura's character fleshed out a bit.
-The new bridge/ship and uniforms looked great.
-The comedy was perfect

Meh
-Sulu, Chekov were decent but largely forgettable.
-The phaser sfx when Kirk and Spock board Nero's ship wasn't 'pew-pew' enough to my liking
-Didn't care for the whirly transporter beam f/x

Cons
-The plot has been done. Many times over. At the end I couldn't help but think 'that was it??'
-They have got to let the old characters die off. How many more TOS cameos are necessary in the ST universe? Let.It.Go!
-On that note, lets ditch the whole "space, the final frontier" bit as well. Die cliche die!
-Product placements just suck. Period.
-Nero sucked as a villain. Can no one top Khan or the Borg?
-Lens flare. Who let the amateur fx guy at this film?

Head Scratchers
-Did they ever explain why the Romulans have tattoos or was it just part of the re-imagined setup?
-Why would Spock stay in a cave when there was a base just over yonder?
-Was there a scene cut from the previews? I thought I remember a scene that showed Amanda in white lying on a chair caressing Spock's face that I didn't see in the film.


I think it was a successful reboot. Hopefully we'll see more movies from this cast (or even better a new tv series). Just think in another 10-20 years what a Star Wars reboot could bring ;)

[MrDisco]

just flipping through comments in this thread now..


1. Spock's mission did not make any sense

I agree. It was just a kludge to get Nimoy on screen.


You do not rest the fate of the world in the hands of a cadet.

Well they're just following in the best tradition of anime :P


3. The villain was just there to be "the villain".

Dead on. His character was horrible as a villain.


4. The fact that given this film TAKES PLACE IN THE FUTURE, you'd think that there would be planetary defense and global civilian notification systems

For sure. If a star was going supernova they would have had advance notice and could have evacuated the planet, or at the very least inform their leaders.


5. Why is it so coincidental and perfect how Kirk meets old Spock?

Dead on again. Another kludge just to keep the story together. Why would Nero let the one man who he's waited 25 years for, stranded on a planet? It would have made more sense to keep him on the bridge so he can see Spock's agony.


6. The character arc from cadet to captain of the flagship is a straight 90 degree angle. It makes no sense.


We can only assume that Pike pulled some strings and placed him there. Speaking of Pike, why did Nero bother to keep him alive (presumably the Wrath of Khan bug would have given him the info he needed at that point)?


7. Chekhov is 17 in the movie.


I agree. 17 and on the flagship? :confused: If we equate this to Air Force One, only the very very best (who happen to also be quite a bit older) make it.


8. Spock fighting on the bridge

This I disagree with you. A much younger Spock would have conflict with his human side so to show him give into that rage makes sense to me.


9. Hanging around a black hole?


I agree with you.

Here's a couple of more 'nitpicks'
-Do we need to see Kirk hanging off the edge of something 3 times in one film?
-When he's on Hoth and he's climbing up the pit, how would that be possible in his bare hands? Mine freeze just from picking up snow on a regular winter day.

[newt_101]

From someone who thinks that Star Trek is 'gay', I loved the new flick.
It was fun, exciting and intelligent.

Kudos to the director for reviving a silly franchise and breathing new life into it for the masses.

[irampage]

I saw it today with my mum (part of her mothers day gift :D ). We both enjoyed it! She saw all the previous star trek movies, i saw only the most recent ones...and we both really enjoyed it.

Great story, graphics, sound, etc. I can't find much of a fault in it, other than it appeared to be longer than i expected...could be because i starved myself during the show to have space for mothers day dinner hahha.

The movie had some comedy in it too, which was well received in the cinema (pickering town center). I did notice that when the movie ended, that i was probably the youngest person there hahaha. Most of the crowd were all in the late 30s-50s.

For those of my generation, who really haven't seen much star trek tv series or movies, and are really not that huge of a fan, go see it! You'll enjoy it! I can't wait for the next one :)

[Evil Baby]

I agree. 17 and on the flagship? :confused: If we equate this to Air Force One, only the very very best (who happen to also be quite a bit older) make it.


Well all of the experienced people were already out as was stated in the movie. Perhaps Chekov was just early in his training and Spock had already seen his potential as it was Spock who was appointing the cadets to each ship.


This I disagree with you. A much younger Spock would have conflict with his human side so to show him give into that rage makes sense to me.


I seem to remember an episode on TOS where Kirk had to make Spock angry because he was under some spell(love spell I think...)

[gflux]

Here's a couple of more 'nitpicks'
-Do we need to see Kirk hanging off the edge of something 3 times in one film?
-When he's on Hoth and he's climbing up the pit, how would that be possible in his bare hands? Mine freeze just from picking up snow on a regular winter day.

What about the fact that nothing on Earth or Vulcan could destroy the chain that held the Romulan drill.

[CSAgent]

What about the fact that nothing on Earth or Vulcan could destroy the chain that held the Romulan drill.

Even in our modern times all it would take is a flight of F-15s or F-22s to take it down.

I guess in a future with warp drive, phasers and photon torpedoes, such defensive capabilities would not exist.

Another J.J Abrams FAIL!

[Fx45]

Watched the movie today, overall I give it a B-, meaning that as a whole I was entertained (and so was my wife), and I don't regret any of the time spent watching the movie, but there were a lot of individual things I didn't like:

- the Romulans looked less like Romulans and more like Orcs from LOTR
- the non-space fight scenes (i.e. hand-to-hand combat, monsters, etc.) felt very contrived and didn't add anything to the story. Felt a lot like a tick in the box for movie formula. Didn't like any of it.
- John Cho was just bad casting. The whole movie I kept expecting him to be Harold; maybe they should have at least changed his hair or something. At least I didn't think Zach Quinto was Sylar throughout the movie.
- The aliens in the movie were just BAD. I mean, the aliens from the original 1970s Star Wars was better. Take Kirk's girlfriend, WTF??!?!
- I didn't like the gatling gun style weaponry on the Enterprise. Personally I like how the simplistic weaponry of Star Trek series (super slow phasers and photon torpedoes) somewhat elegant and sets the series apart from your typical Sci Fi. The space fights were way too messy for me.
- I know that the cast is the crew of the Enterprise, but when you watched them at the ending boy did they not look like a crew of a flagship. Kirk did not look like a captain at all.
- Didn't think Nimoy was that great. Less would have been better.

[Pavel]

A friend gave me a downloaded copy of the movie....it was pretty crappy so I didn 't watch it. However, I did watch SNL the other night and they had Pine and Quinto, as well as Nimoy make guest appearances on Weekend Update. It was pretty good. Apparently, they're getting some flack from serious trekers. Nimoy went to say that anyone who doesn't like the movie is a serious d--k head.

Any way, for some reason, I really can't stand Quinto as Spock. He seems to be a genuinely "cold" unfriendly person while Nimoy in real life isn't. In any case, I'll be seeing the movie with full special effects likely next week. And btw, there WILL be a sequel to the movie.

In addition, for the die-hard trekers, I saw an interview with one "special effects" guy and said that if you find conflicting information in the movie, it's not conflicting, the movie is correct. That, I'm not so sure about. I remember reading a Star Trek novel and how Kirk's father was still alive when Kirk was a child. Hmm.

[time space]

Unfortunately for you Deal-lon, this piece of garbage (as you say) will be the top grossing Star Trek movie in the history of this franchise.

...and as we know from experience, popularity is always directly proportional to quality.

[sfu_lifer]

...and as we know from experience, popularity is always directly proportional to quality.

There are always exceptions. Superman I, Gone with the Wind, and Godfather etc were quite popular back in their heyday and you wouldn't call them crap.

[Rogue_77]

I just got back from seeing it, not bad. I am still trying to wrap my head over *spoiler* the whole time paradox with old spock and destruction of vulcan

Any idea on who the green skin girl is? Found it funny how they brought her on.

[BlazinTrini]

I just got back from seeing it, not bad. I am still trying to wrap my head over *spoiler* the whole time paradox with old spock and destruction of vulcan

Any idea on who the green skin girl is? Found it funny how they brought her on.

Well Kirk used to sleep around in TOS with different alien women. So it made sense having her on

[zod]

In addition, for the die-hard trekers, I saw an interview with one "special effects" guy and said that if you find conflicting information in the movie, it's not conflicting, the movie is correct. That, I'm not so sure about. I remember reading a Star Trek novel and how Kirk's father was still alive when Kirk was a child. Hmm.

yah thats cause the future romulans killed his father at the beginning of the movie, creating an alternate timeline.

[canadiantofu]

I just got back from seeing it, not bad. I am still trying to wrap my head over *spoiler* the whole time paradox with old spock and destruction of vulcan

Any idea on who the green skin girl is? Found it funny how they brought her on.
I think this is her.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Nichols_(actress)
http://www.startrekdb.se/multimedia/bilder/bilder.php?album=115&bild=1352

She played an Orion.

[tdu]

I saw it last night.

The little 'nitpick' points are all very valid. But I definitely feel this movie is superior to a great deal of the movies in the franchise.

I personally enjoyed it. I definitely don't think it was just a CGI-fest. It did have some good character development, and shows some great potential for the future films. It wasn't brilliant plot wise, but it was decent. And most importantly it was fun to watch. There were people ranging from young kids to older seniors at the show I went to and they all seemed to enjoy it and were talking about it while leaving the theatre. I don't think a Star Trek movie has had that effect on that many people for awhile.

I am surprised people hold the old movies as some kind of standard to compare this to. All the series were great, but a good chunk of the films ranged from forgettable, to sort of bad. This was a huge improvement IMO.

[cmge]

i saw it last night.

The little 'nitpick' points are all very valid. But i definitely feel this movie is superior to a great deal of the movies in the franchise.

I personally enjoyed it. I definitely don't think it was just a cgi-fest. It did have some good character development, and shows some great potential for the future films. It wasn't brilliant plot wise, but it was decent. And most importantly it was fun to watch. There were people ranging from young kids to older seniors at the show i went to and they all seemed to enjoy it and were talking about it while leaving the theatre. I don't think a star trek movie has had that effect on that many people for awhile.

I am surprised people hold the old movies as some kind of standard to compare this to. All the series were great, but a good chunk of the films ranged from forgettable, to sort of bad. This was a huge improvement imo.

+1

[time space]

Oh and thanks for ignoring the rest of my post which expanded on my point.
Please excuse me for editing your lengthy post due to time and space constraints.



Really this latest Star Trek movie wasn't a sci-fi movie...
On this point, I agree with you.

[sfu_lifer]

I think this is her.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Nichols_(actress)
http://www.startrekdb.se/multimedia/bilder/bilder.php?album=115&bild=1352

She played an Orion.
She's also Scarlett in GIJOE.
http://www.us.imdb.com/name/nm0629697/

[bigshotceo]

[..] It wasn't brilliant plot wise, but it was decent. And most importantly it was fun to watch. [..]

Agreed. I saw it, and I liked it. To me, Star Trek (2009) was a lot like Jurassic Park 3. There was a lot that was "wrong" with it, but that didn't detract from my liking it. It's not high art, but that wasn't what I was looking for going in.

[SAN66]

Please excuse me for editing your lengthy post due to time and space constraints.

On this point, I agree with you.

Funny. Didn't know the intertubes had space constraints and that it took less time to edit a post to extract one point that you can refute with your narrow minded view of the world than to simple leave it intact.

Do continue to hold your narrow minded view by simply ignoring any differing opinions than your own. I guess when 95% of the population disagrees with you that's all you can really do.

If you want classic scifi, go see Moon in June. Though it will have a limited showing, just as Star Trek would have if they released 2 hours of internal conflict and galactic diplomacy.

I will see and enjoy both this Star Trek movie and Moon.

[kleptodathief]

just watched this, it was alright movie...kinda ok if ur a NON trekkie fan... but the old spock and current spock thing was weird .... kewlest part is that kid speeding in that convertible, driving it off the cliff!

[anton204]

I was never a star trek fan saw only a few episodes of the next generation. But this movie was an awesomes movie and very well paced and a definite MUST SEE!!!

[appleb]

I just saw the movie yesterday. I thought it was well done and quiet refreshing. I was hoping to see a lot more of the actual Enterprise in action, considering it is the ships first mission.

As for nitpicks, if a little bead of red matter is all that is required to stop a supernova, then why did Spocks ship transport enough red matter to destroy every planet in the universe? Also, does Vulcan and Earth have no defenses to destroy the drill? But Spock's little speedy ship with its presumeably weak lasers could?

As for the timeline issues, there were always be inevitable paradoxes. I always think back to the Austin Powers movie where the Q guy brushes off the time travel issue by looking at the audience and saying "I suggest that you stop thinking about it, and just enjoy the film".

The GI JOE trailer was pretty badass too.

[mcewen]

Saw it last night... and came to the following realization.... (spoiler).....

In the original series Spocks mom was alive, and Vulcan wasn't destroyed....Because the entire timeline changed... ....there is the potential that nothing that has happened in any previous movie or episode of the original series, STTNG, DS9 or the Captain Janeway series has ever taken place. The movie series is free to go its own direction. This movie can total reinvent the series.

[gflux]

Hmmm - maybe people weren't paying attention to the movie ;) :

As for the timeline issues, there were always be inevitable paradoxes. I always think back to the Austin Powers movie where the Q guy brushes off the time travel issue by looking at the audience and saying "I suggest that you stop thinking about it, and just enjoy the film".

There won't be any timeline issues because they created an alternate reality to explain everything. Everything from TOS on still exists in the original reality but in this new alternate universe anything can happen. We could see totally new Next Generation episodes if they wanted to go that route. Unfortunately it also means that the Enterprise series is still intact :P

Saw it last night... and came to the following realization.... (spoiler).....

I'm pretty sure everyone realizes this because Spock pretty much spells it all out to Kirk.

I dunno - maybe I'm wrong but I thought all this was pretty obvious.

[Kerlo]

Just finished watching this with my wife and kids (boys 11 and 8) and we thought it was great!! I think what J.J has done is revived a dead series by introducing a whole new generation to Star Trek that had no interest previously.

Btw, anyone else catch the "slusho" reference? I thought it was clever.

I liked that fact that I was the uber geek at my theater! ... I wore my Slusho hat and street clothes and no one was the wiser . . ;)

My friends who were with me thought I was nuts . . . until the reference came up in the movie. :twisted:

[appleb]

I liked that fact that I was the uber geek at my theater! ... I wore my Slusho hat and street clothes and no one was the wiser . . ;)

My friends who were with me thought I was nuts . . . until the reference came up in the movie. :twisted:

What/when was the Slusho reference?

[MrDisco]

As for nitpicks, if a little bead of red matter is all that is required to stop a supernova, then why did Spocks ship transport enough red matter to destroy every planet in the universe?

That one came to me this morning. It makes no sense!

The GI JOE trailer was pretty badass too.

That looked like crap to me, but I'll watch it just for the Baroness (who inexplicably doesn't have an accent yet has a European title).

[Kerlo]

What/when was the Slusho reference?

It was when Uhura/Kirk was looking at the menu of drinks in the bar, before Kirk's faced got smashed up.

It's a slush drink concocted by Abrams's Bad Robot kabbal, it kinda ties all their projects together.

www.slusho.jp

It's been featured in Alias, Cloverfield, and Heroes.

[tanmanwayne]

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Ok...I like/love ST of all flavours (even Enterprise...I love the bit about the disappearing Porthos! ROFL).

Anyways, we have to take this movie as a divergent reality from the mainstream ST we knew.

So now we have two Star Trek realities...let's see where this reboot takes this new franchise. Honestly? I LOVE THIS MOVIE!!! But that's just me.

Well below are some lightly plausible answers to Deal-Lon's list of things:

This is not criticism from a "hardcore trekkie". There are things in the movie which are not nitpicks, they flat out don't make sense on pure logical plot development and characterization. I don't want to get into spoilers out of respect for those who haven't seen it but I will list a few of them as generally as I can:

1. Spock's mission did not make any sense, and the very fact that it had to be SPOCK (as old as he is) to complete this mission is poor writing. He was thrown in there just to lend some credence to the proceedings as I mentioned for the "hardcore fans".

- Well...if you look back at the "Canon" timeline...it was Spock who was working on "Reunification" in the STNG series. Thus if successful, he was the leader of the movement and may have been the one Vulcan/Individual whom the Romulan people would have trusted.

2. The fact that Kirk was even allowed to do anything in this movie instead of a more highly trained, and higher ranking Starfleet officer is stupid. You do not rest the fate of the world in the hands of a cadet.

- Captain Pike himself said that he had immense respect for Kirk's father. Pike probably sized Kirk up after their initial meeting (and most likely followed up with him while at the academy). Since it was Pike's ship, he did what he wanted and perhaps made a leap of faith that Kirk had what so many no longer had in Starfleet...the willingness to go by instinct. Based on that...Pike was one of the few with that ability as well...not simply following regulations and procedures.

3. The villain was just there to be "the villain". Sure, some passing talk was given to his motivation with a blurry picture of his wife, but that's just poor writing. The characters had no vested interest in revenge and pursuing one another.

- Ok...nothing to be said here. However (loosely tying this one), perhaps he was a fanatic about Spock and his ability and passion for the Romulan people (back to STNG "Reunification") and when Spock failed, the fanaticism flipped sides and hence Necro became the SOB he was in the movie.

4. The fact that given this film TAKES PLACE IN THE FUTURE, you'd think that there would be planetary defense and global civilian notification systems instead of the entire duty resting on Spock to inform the planet of what is happening. I mean, we have that technology NOW.

- Well...Science is still Science. Someone may have made a calculation error as to when the Sun was going supernova...what was supposed to be 1 month may have been one day? I guess the person who did that calculation failed the test.


5. Why is it so coincidental and perfect how Kirk meets old Spock? That Kirk was placed, and managed to get to the spot where old Spock was? It is too far fetched.

- Leave it to exaggerated storytelling. Talk about finding a needle in a haystack! But it progressed the movie...let's not think about this one too much...Kirk/Spock should have bought a Lotto 6/49.


6. The character arc from cadet to captain of the flagship is a straight 90 degree angle. It makes no sense.

- As one of the other poster stated...Pike may have pulled some strings, not to mention the reputation his father may have had as an officer killed in duty to protect the crew. To add to this, it was the Enterprise under command of acting Captain James T. Kirk that saved the earth (for the first time of many).


7. Chekhov is 17 in the movie. For him to go from cadet to full Starfleet BRIDGE OFFICER it would take him over 4 years. Do the math, Doogie Howser. While this particular point may be considered "nitpicking", this just goes to show you the general vapidness of the screenwriters and screenplay, and their approach to characters.

- Well...who knows...maybe he is a prodigy and there is more to his character than we know? He is an ensign after all...a graduate from the academy after a minimum of four years training (so he got in at 13?). Hey...works for me! After all...he was able to utilize a transporter better than a transporter officer? Some food for thought.


8. Spock fighting on the bridge- give me a break. Is that the only way to compromise the integrity of the captain? That's poor writing. Why does everything have to be fisticuffs to show conflict? Is that all teenagers are able to process these days with endless UFC on Spike?

- This could have been in the spirit of the movie.
i) Showing that Spock HAD emotions and still had difficulty controlling them at his early age
ii) In this reality, this is NOT the same Spock as in TOS. (With Nyota Uhura? Never saw that coming!)
iii) Kirk as a character could and will always be able to get under his skin.


9. Hanging around a black hole? What the hell do you think is going to happen? I can tell you what's going to happen and I live in the 21st century without warp drive. What's your excuse?

- Ummm...ok. What can I say? It's Sci-Fi? Where's Maximillian and Vincent and Bob? Oh well...

There are more, these are the ones that I could somehow write in general terms without spoiling the movie for those who haven't seen it.

If this is what passes for good storytelling these days, and all it takes is 100 million dollar Industrial Light and Magic CGI budget to shine a turd, then the film going public and entertainment world is truly "Lost".

[time space]

I guess when 95% of the population disagrees with you that's all you can really do.

Your disrespect for minority points of view is readily apparent, it is not necessary to keep emphasizing it with your repetitive responses in this thread.

[SAN66]

Your disrespect for minority points of view is readily apparent, it is not necessary to keep emphasizing it with your repetitive responses in this thread.

I respect peoples opinions in that they dislike the movie. I do not respect baseless statements such as "this is not a scifi movie" or comparing it to Celine Dion, nothing deserves to be compared to Celine Dion, that's just insulting. Or flooding a thread with negative opinion when by and large its positive (that's more Deal-Ion though).

I'd just rather the thread not be drown out by yourself and Deal-Ion as you two seem to be half the thread.

I don't care to argue. I'll just restate, for anyone who hasn't seen the movie, ignore the negative reviews from the minority in this thread and GO SEE IT!!!

[tanmanwayne]

Ok...here's a good link tying together the old ST universe and this new one:

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Countdown,_Number_One

Enjoy! :D

[BoxsterS]

Good movie, but not great. I didn't think Pine was believable as Kirk. The story was full of holes and to quote Spock - illogical at times. When they were initially attacked by Nero, he should have loaded the shuttle with torpedo's and auto piloted it into the Romulan ship. Unfortunately, that logical conclusion would have made the running time of the movie about 4 minutes.

[BoxsterS]

I just got back from seeing it, not bad. I am still trying to wrap my head over *spoiler* the whole time paradox with old spock and destruction of vulcan

Any idea on who the green skin girl is? Found it funny how they brought her on.

Her name is Diora Baird and all I can think about it Jello.

http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/images/trek-showest-2-590x315.jpg

[originalnutta]

Good movie, but not great. I didn't think Pine was believable as Kirk. The story was full of holes and to quote Spock - illogical at times. When they were initially attacked by Nero, he should have loaded the shuttle with torpedo's and auto piloted it into the Romulan ship. Unfortunately, that logical conclusion would have made the running time of the movie about 4 minutes.

And the Romulans would have shot it down before it reached them.


Maybe i missed it, but why did the Romulans not have hair, and have tattoos?

[originalnutta]

Her name is Diora Baird and all I can think about it Jello.

http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/images/trek-showest-2-590x315.jpg



http://www.totalprosports.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/diora-baird.jpg

[originalnutta]

http://sports.popcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/diora-baird-golf-pics-9.jpg

[originalnutta]

http://wallychamp.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/diora-baird1.jpg

[MrDisco]

Maybe i missed it, but why did the Romulans not have hair, and have tattoos?

Don't think they explained it. Maybe they all did it as a tribal brotherhood thing for the loss of their planet.


Another thing which bothered me about this movie - couldn't the props guy come up with something a little bit better than a barely modified Plantronics ear piece (during the scene where Scotty is at the transporter controls). Taping a piece of orange plastic to the end of something like this is just l-a-m-e

http://www.phonearea.net/wp-content/themes/default/pictures/bluetooth_usb/2007/plantronics_cs70n_wireless_headset.jpg

[originalnutta]

Were there any Klingon references or foreshadowing to Klingon appearances in the next movies. Same goes Tribbles.

[originalnutta]

Don't think they explained it. Maybe they all did it as a tribal brotherhood thing for the loss of their planet.


Another thing which bothered me about this movie - couldn't the props guy come up with something a little bit better than a barely modified Plantronics ear piece (during the scene where Scotty is at the transporter controls). Taping a piece of orange plastic to the end of something like this is just l-a-m-e

http://www.phonearea.net/wp-content/themes/default/pictures/bluetooth_usb/2007/plantronics_cs70n_wireless_headset.jpg

The baton sticking out of Uhura's ear wasn't cool either. I mean if the bridge is modernized, then why are some gadgets still medieval.

[spicytunamaki]

Her name is Diora Baird and all I can think about it Jello.


The actress is actually Rachel Nichols, not Diora Baird.

[sfu_lifer]

Her name is Diora Baird and all I can think about it Jello.

http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/images/trek-showest-2-590x315.jpg

I thought it was Rachel Nichols. All I could think of was "She Hulk" in person.

[time space]

Your disrespect for minority points of view is readily apparent, it is not necessary to keep emphasizing it with your repetitive responses in this thread.

I don't care to argue. I'll just restate, for anyone who hasn't seen the movie, ignore the negative reviews from the minority in this thread...

Enough, already.

[ali123]

awesome movie

[SAN66]

I thought it was Rachel Nichols. All I could think of was "She Hulk" in person.

Diora Baird (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1401531/) isn't listed as being in the movie, but Rachel Nichols (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0629697/) is.

I'm not a fan of the green makeup, I was hoping they were going to sub it in post prod, but I guess Abrams left that species as is, as an homage to how it was done in TOS.

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/1041/nicholsorion.jpg

[drunag]

Just came back from seeing it. I didn't read any reviews, blogs, or ...

Cons
-The plot has been done....
-Lens flare. Who let the amateur fx guy at this film?
...
;)

just wanted to make a comment on this.
according to imdb:

Taking advantage of the 35mm 2:35:1 anamorphic stock film, cinematographer Daniel Mindel caught as many lens flares (a photographic effect where light sparkles everywhere) in the film as possible, to create a sense of wonder that enhanced the film: "There's something about these flares, especially in a movie that potentially could be incredibly sterile and overly controlled by CGI, that's just incredibly unpredictable and gorgeous." Mindel would create flares by shining a flashlight/pointing a mirror at the camera lens, or using two cameras (and therefore two lighting set-ups) simultaneously.

so.. lens flare was on purpose
but i noticed them too and kept thinking maybe they should've moved some of the light fixtures around lol

[N_Raged]

Even in our modern times all it would take is a flight of F-15s or F-22s to take it down.

I guess in a future with warp drive, phasers and photon torpedoes, such defensive capabilities would not exist.

Another J.J Abrams FAIL!
That's a silly problem with the Trek Universe in general. It's like starships are the only line of defense, and how there are so few of them around when needed.

[i6s1]

Yup. If anyone was serious about planetary defense, terrestrial-based weapons would be far more efficient and less fragile then ships. Yet we still don't see them on the shows. This isn't a new concept introduced by this film. So if this is something that bugs somebody about the movie, then they're just looking for things to not like.

[AzN_RiverdaleCI]

lol I didn't know we had a thread on RFD about this, anyways yeah it was good if your a Star Trek fan.

[Riffer]

Saw it today. On balance, I didn't like it.

It started off well but got lost in all that alternate time nonsense. I'm still trying to figure out how a Romulan ship going back in time created a romance between Spock and Uhuru :lol:

A good against-type role for Karl Urban.

[time space]

Saw it today. On balance, I didn't like it.

Sssshhhh! SAN66 is going to start freaking out again - he doesn't approve of people not liking this movie.

[Vertigo]

Sssshhhh! SAN66 is going to start freaking out again - he doesn't approve of people not liking this movie.

No, he just doesn't approve of people stating that it's a sign of idiocy or poor taste to like the movie. And he's right.

[SAN66]

No, he just doesn't approve of people stating that it's a sign of idiocy or poor taste to like the movie. And he's right.

Thank you.

[MrDisco]

The baton sticking out of Uhura's ear wasn't cool either. I mean if the bridge is modernized, then why are some gadgets still medieval.

Hmm you do have a point. But then you could argue if they've got super cool touch interface computers, why is Sulu moving the ship by pushing a shiny lever? :confused::confused:

[silentio]

Wasnt bad, but wasnt that great either. Sure doesnt feel like star trek movie.

So long as they attract more than the usual core audiences then everyone should be happy with another movie in a year.

[BoxsterS]

The actress is actually Rachel Nichols, not Diora Baird.

Now, that's strange because Diora actually talks about being in the movie as the green alien. I guess something happened because Nichols definitely has more flubber than Baird.

[i6s1]

Saw it today. On balance, I didn't like it.

It started off well but got lost in all that alternate time nonsense. I'm still trying to figure out how a Romulan ship going back in time created a romance between Spock and Uhuru :lol:

A good against-type role for Karl Urban.

Kirk's arrogance and belligerence (caused by growing up without a father) in the bar caused Uhuru to become more attracted to the strong silent type, so by graduation 3 years later, she was in a relationship with Spock.

Also, there were supposedly hints of it in TOS.

[i6s1]

Hmm you do have a point. But then you could argue if they've got super cool touch interface computers, why is Sulu moving the ship by pushing a shiny lever? :confused::confused:

Even today we can control things with touch interfaces, but we still prefer analogue joysticks.

[Fx45]

Thought the silver stick was better than the fact that the enterprise has a parking brake.

[bembol]

I wonder if this can stay number one two straight weeks with Angels & Demons coming out this Friday.

[tdu]

I wonder if this can stay number one two straight weeks with Angels & Demons coming out this Friday.

I think word of mouth is going to be a powerful factor. At work EVERYONE who saw it is raving about it. The people who haven't have talked about checking it out this weekend for that reason. Then to top it off, a lot of people who saw it are planning to go see it again. I have not heard such a 'buzz' about a movie in a long time.

[Riffer]

Kirk's arrogance and belligerence (caused by growing up without a father) in the bar caused Uhuru to become more attracted to the strong silent type, so by graduation 3 years later, she was in a relationship with Spock.

Also, there were supposedly hints of it in TOS.

I thought of that, but what about Spock? In "Plato' Stepchildren", he resists pretty well. Something must have changed the character of Spock.

Regardless, this new movie destroys everything in all Star Trek series as if they never existed. Just the fact that Vulcan's will have little or no influence on Federation affairs, while the Romulan's will is critical. remeber that in "Balance of Terror", the Romulans are a largely unknown people. I don't think the destroyers of Vulcan would remain so.

The biggest impact is no T'pol! (or at least little statistical chance :) - edit. Forgot T'Pol was before, so would still exist. Too confusing. Worse than Terminator now.

[Ojam]

I thought of that, but what about Spock? In "Plato' Stepchildren", he resists pretty well. Something must have changed the character of Spock.

Regardless, this new movie destroys everything in all Star Trek series as if they never existed. Just the fact that Vulcan's will have little or no influence on Federation affairs, while the Romulan's will is critical. remeber that in "Balance of Terror", the Romulans are a largely unknown people. I don't think the destroyers of Vulcan would remain so.

The biggest impact is no T'pol! (or at least little statistical chance :) - edit. Forgot T'Pol was before, so would still exist. Too confusing. Worse than Terminator now.

It doesn't effect any of those, it's a NEW time-line, all those things still happen in the separate parallel time-line. This is why Spock is there, he is from the old time-line, and has not been changed.

[Talamasca]

Thought the silver stick was better than the fact that the enterprise has a parking brake.

That was a joke. They do have humour in the 23rd century.

[Psylocke]

I really enjoyed it... even though the whole space-time-continuum thingamajig messed up the original history that I'm used to after watching all the television series. "Spochura" was definitely an interesting pairing... I didn't see that coming, but thought it was funny when Kirk got that "wtf" look on his face when he saw them kissing goodbye on the transporter pad... lol. I thought Zachary Quinto did a great job as young Spock. Simon Pegg was hilarious as Scotty. and Karl Urban was a perfect fit to play Bones. Very entertaining flick, but again when these kind of movies come out there's almost always a drift from the "way things are supposed to be" that will cause Trekkers like myself to shake their heads in disappointment at some plotlines (e.g. just like when X-Men came out).

[BoxsterS]

And the Romulans would have shot it down before it reached them.


Maybe i missed it, but why did the Romulans not have hair, and have tattoos?

And how exactly would the Romulans have known? If your reply is that they can detect life forms on the shuttle, then make it a suicide mission. Either way, they would have been destroyed.

[konfusion666]

It doesn't effect any of those, it's a NEW time-line, all those things still happen in the separate parallel time-line. This is why Spock is there, he is from the old time-line, and has not been changed.

Question: In the OLD time-line (which OLD Spock is from), the planet Romulus was destroyed, yes?

And the destruction of that planet would have taken place AFTER Nemesis, yes?

[SAN66]

Question: In the OLD time-line (which OLD Spock is from), the planet Romulus was destroyed, yes?

And the destruction of that planet would have taken place AFTER Nemesis, yes?

There's a set of 4 comics that bridges the gap from Nemesis to this movie called Star Trek countdown. It explains what Spocks mission was, why he was late, what happened to Picard, Worf, Jordie, Data after Nemesis, why Nero is bald and has tattoos all over his face, etc. Its available as an app download to your iphone or otherwise available through other non-official sources on the internet.

[konfusion666]

There's a set of 4 comics that bridges the gap from Nemesis to this movie called Star Trek countdown. It explains what Spocks mission was, why he was late, what happened to Picard, Worf, Jordie, Data after Nemesis, why Nero is bald and has tattoos all over his face, etc. Its available as an app download to your iphone or otherwise available through other non-official sources on the internet.

I'll look it up... but in the meanwhile... Romulus *IS* destroyed, right? (in the post-Nemesis universe that TNG existed in)

[Talamasca]

I'll look it up... but in the meanwhile... Romulus *IS* destroyed, right? (in the post-Nemesis universe that TNG existed in)

Yes. I'd love to see the repercussions of that amongst the other major powers.

[Super strokey]

I have been reading around about how people are talking about how the storyline makes sense this time through... honestly what are they talking about?

Red matter that causes black holes? Makes no sense

Black Holes that cause time travel? Makes no sense

Letting a Starfleet ship stop the explosion of a sun when you could do it youself? Makes no sense

Blowing up the ships core to allow the ship to escape a black holes pull? Makes no sense

Leaving Kirk on a planet of ice, near a new black hole (really logical!) no where near a base instead of tossing him in the brig? Makes no sense

Leaving Spock (old version) on another planet where they know there is a starfleet base to "watch" his planet die, why not leave him on board? Makes no sense

I could continue but you get the idea...

Im not saying i didnt enjoy it but i think people are letting the explosions and the action cover over the fact that the main premise of the show is kinda bonkers.

I love the movie just honestly plot wise its just as out there as the rest, just more explosions is all.

[Vertigo]

Black Holes that cause time travel? Makes no sense
On time travel, Star Trek has always been rather "bwah?" about it. Personally, black hole time travel has about as much believability as swinging around the sun to go back in time (and taking whale to the future, thereby saving the world... *cough*).

Im not saying i didnt enjoy it but i think people are letting the explosions and the action cover over the fact that the main premise of the show is kinda bonkers.
Yeah, that's just the thing. Star Trek has always been somewhat ridiculous, so it seems unreasonable to expect this movie to be the epitome of logic.

[Vertigo]

There's a set of 4 comics that bridges the gap from Nemesis to this movie called Star Trek countdown. It explains what Spocks mission was, why he was late, what happened to Picard, Worf, Jordie, Data after Nemesis, why Nero is bald and has tattoos all over his face, etc. Its available as an app download to your iphone or otherwise available through other non-official sources on the internet.

Thanks for bringing this up. I just finished reading through Countdown, and it does try to explain quite a lot. Made the movie make more sense for me, anyway.

[Haz]

On time travel, Star Trek has always been rather "bwah?" about it. Personally, black hole time travel has about as much believability as swinging around the sun to go back in time (and taking whale to the future, thereby saving the world... *cough*).I enjoyed that one.

Kirk explaining Spock's odd behaviour: Oh, him? He's harmless. Part of the free speech movement at Berkeley in the sixties. I think he did a little too much LDS.

Thanks for bringing this up. I just finished reading through Countdown, and it does try to explain quite a lot. Made the movie make more sense for me, anyway.Interesting read. Will have to see the movie some time.

[Super strokey]

On time travel, Star Trek has always been rather "bwah?" about it. Personally, black hole time travel has about as much believability as swinging around the sun to go back in time (and taking whale to the future, thereby saving the world... *cough*).


Yeah, that's just the thing. Star Trek has always been somewhat ridiculous, so it seems unreasonable to expect this movie to be the epitome of logic.

Yeah thats exactly what i mean though. People are acting like this is the first one to make sense when if anything it makes the least sense lol.

[cmge]

just thought id post this here...

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1910892

interesting similarities.. :P .. no need to flame.. its just for fun..

[Engi-Nir]

I have been reading around about how people are talking about how the storyline makes sense this time through... honestly what are they talking about?

Red matter that causes black holes? Makes no sense

Black Holes that cause time travel? Makes no sense

Letting a Starfleet ship stop the explosion of a sun when you could do it youself? Makes no sense

Blowing up the ships core to allow the ship to escape a black holes pull? Makes no sense

Leaving Kirk on a planet of ice, near a new black hole (really logical!) no where near a base instead of tossing him in the brig? Makes no sense

Leaving Spock (old version) on another planet where they know there is a starfleet base to "watch" his planet die, why not leave him on board? Makes no sense

I could continue but you get the idea...

Im not saying i didnt enjoy it but i think people are letting the explosions and the action cover over the fact that the main premise of the show is kinda bonkers.

I love the movie just honestly plot wise its just as out there as the rest, just more explosions is all.

Kirk goes from ensign to Captain??? doesn't make sense...

but the movie was good...

[drumboz79]

just thought id post this here...

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1910892

interesting similarities.. :P .. no need to flame.. its just for fun..

nice :D

[konfusion666]

just thought id post this here...

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1910892

interesting similarities.. :P .. no need to flame.. its just for fun..

funny because it's true.

[time space]

No, he just doesn't approve of people stating that it's a sign of idiocy or poor taste to like the movie. And he's right.
A quick search of this thread reveals that you have demonstrated as little tolerance for opinions that differ from your own, as SAN66 has. It seems that like misery, narrow-mindedness loves company.

Nonetheless, I will reiterate what I said earlier in this thread:
seriously, it's a shame that some people could dislike the movie as much as they do.
I agree, it is a shame - but it's true. :(

I'm happy for those who enjoyed it though. :)

I am always happy to hear that someone enjoyed a movie. I may not understand why, but you can't argue taste. If it works for you, it works.

[Vertigo]

A quick search of this thread reveals that you have demonstrated as little tolerance for opinions that differ from your own, as SAN66 has.
You're right; I have absolutely no tolerance for any opinion that tells me my opinion is "flat out wrong," blatantly asserts I have no common sense, and declares, as fact, that I have poor taste in storytelling and characterization.

Yes, I am unabashedly and unapologetically intolerant to such a pigheaded opinion.

How else would you expect me to respond to:
If you enjoyed Star Trek, the issue really just comes down to your poor taste as a viewer...


On the other hand, to those who can express disagreement without vomiting their egos all over my screen, I offer only respect.

It seems that like misery, narrow-mindedness loves company.
Spoken like one with experience. You must be bunking with Deal-ion. :rolleyes:

[gsrce]

I thought the ejecting the warp core to ride the wave has been used quite a few too many times during Trek, other than that though it's a good movie and they set up for a promising sequel.

[SAN66]

just thought id post this here...

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1910892

interesting similarities.. :P .. no need to flame.. its just for fun..

Haha that's awesome! They do both follow the standard epic formula of young man with something to prove is confronted by older wiser man to venture out on an adventure that changes the universe forever, yada yada yada. I didn't see the planet killer parallel or similarities with the whole bar scene thing until they pointed it out.

Anyhow, here's a nice fluff piece about the astronauts on the IIS getting to watch Star Trek: http://carpetbagger.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/15/real-live-astronauts-are-watching-star-trek-in-outer-space-right-now/?hp

I wonder what they will think of the movie. It would be so awesome to watch in zero G.

[bembol]

I keep forgetting to ask...

The first five minutes, did you get "something" in your eyes that it teared up. :o :cheesygri I've seen it four times now and it gets to me.

[SuckaB]

There's a set of 4 comics that bridges the gap from Nemesis to this movie called Star Trek countdown. It explains what Spocks mission was, why he was late, what happened to Picard, Worf, Jordie, Data after Nemesis, why Nero is bald and has tattoos all over his face, etc. Its available as an app download to your iphone or otherwise available through other non-official sources on the internet.

read a bit of it...how did Data come back and become the Captain?
I thought he "died" in nemesis.

[billdozer]

I keep forgetting to ask...

The first five minutes, did you get "something" in your eyes that it teared up. :o :cheesygri I've seen it four times now and it gets to me.

That's JJ Abrams for ya. So many scenes reminded me of LOST.

[SAN66]

read a bit of it...how did Data come back and become the Captain?
I thought he "died" in nemesis.

Apparently Data backed up an imprint of his positronic net and it was imprinted onto B4 (the prototype android that appeared in the movie). Kinda lame if you ask me, but meh its a comic book. Of course that begs the question, if Data is captain of the enterprise, what happened to Riker?

[SuckaB]

Apparently Data backed up an imprint of his positronic net and it was imprinted onto B4 (the prototype android that appeared in the movie). Kinda lame if you ask me, but meh its a comic book. Of course that begs the question, if Data is captain of the enterprise, what happened to Riker?

exactly my thoughts...

[konfusion666]

Apparently Data backed up an imprint of his positronic net and it was imprinted onto B4 (the prototype android that appeared in the movie). Kinda lame if you ask me, but meh its a comic book. Of course that begs the question, if Data is captain of the enterprise, what happened to Riker?

riker got his own ship in nemesis. it happened at the end of the movie

[Ziggy007]

That's JJ Abrams for ya. So many scenes reminded me of LOST.

There were a lot of cinematic similarities between Lost and this Star Trek movie.

I also noticed that the soundtrack had a very similar sound. Wouldn't be surprised if it was scored by the same guy.

[randomdef]

read a bit of it...how did Data come back and become the Captain?
I thought he "died" in nemesis.

that whole subplot of nemesis was a problem, why let someone die when you set up the whole movie to let him live? just stupid.

[Ojam]

As for the time-line the thing that bothers me the most is that if Kirk is listening to the Beastie Boys that must mean their entire library exists... which really messes things up since Both Intergalactic and Ch-Check it out both mention star trek... :razz: how is THAT possible??

[Riffer]

As for the time-line the thing that bothers me the most is that if Kirk is listening to the Beastie Boys that must mean their entire library exists... which really messes things up since Both Intergalactic and Ch-Check it out both mention star trek... :razz: how is THAT possible??

:lol:

That's another timeline, I guess :rolleyes:

Actually, there is a timeline where Star Trek isn't real, but is only a TV show.

[thelefteyeguy]

Wasnt bad, but wasnt that great either. Sure doesnt feel like star trek movie.

So long as they attract more than the usual core audiences then everyone should be happy with another movie in a year.

+1

I think the whole point is to capture a new generation of audience. Star Trek was dead for a pretty long time after Deep Space Nine (which I really wasn't fond of myself...kind of stopped after STNG).

The more money this generates, the more sequels it will get (and no crappy budget movies either).

it's definitely positive.

(btw...this movie exceed my expectations. All that matters is it was entertaining.)

[habs77]

I just watched the movie last night at the drive-in, and maybe its because it was late and I was sleepy, but to me, I have alot of ques about the movie -

-since when does Spock get hot n bothered over a chick?

-the time travel thing - is it just me or is everyone else as confused about this as me?

-I thought the first star trek movie from like 1979 showed how all the crew got together and was assigned - is this new movie like a Batman Begins type of thing? (Another more serious movie for new fans?)

-I never knew Spock wasn't a full-blooded Vulcan? Am I the only one that wasn't aware of this?

[Riffer]

....-I never knew Spock wasn't a full-blooded Vulcan? Am I the only one that wasn't aware of this?

Yes :lol:

[gman]

I just watched the movie last night at the drive-in, and maybe its because it was late and I was sleepy, but to me, I have alot of ques about the movie -

-since when does Spock get hot n bothered over a chick?

I guess before he got into the process to be a true mature Vulcan.

-the time travel thing - is it just me or is everyone else as confused about this as me?
Just you. It is a pretty straight forward time travel. Nothing complicated.


-I thought the first star trek movie from like 1979 showed how all the crew got together and was assigned - is this new movie like a Batman Begins type of thing? (Another more serious movie for new fans?)

No. I think they are pretty smart to put up this story line. Read on.


-I never knew Spock wasn't a full-blooded Vulcan? Am I the only one that wasn't aware of this?
Yes, you are the only one. ;)

The script writer is pretty smart to wipe out what we knew about Star Trek and starts out something brand new. They now have a free hand to write whatever story they want without thinking about much about the 'Star Trek history'. They are not bound by Star Trek TV series, movies and books anymore.

Spock can now be more illogical than his older self. He may be forced to be a womanizer because Vulcan needs more babies. ;)
Star Trek is now in an era of 2 Spock's and less Vulcan. Hey! They may even need to start a 'clone war'. ;)

[Pavel]

Kirk's arrogance and belligerence (caused by growing up without a father) in the bar caused Uhuru to become more attracted to the strong silent type, so by graduation 3 years later, she was in a relationship with Spock.

Also, there were supposedly hints of it in TOS.
I dont recall this hint or insinuation. Which episode was it?

[originalnutta]

http://www.startrekmovie.com/panoramas/bridge.html


sweet panoramic

[CSAgent]

http://www.startrekmovie.com/panoramas/bridge.html


sweet panoramic

is that the new Apple Store?

Btw, new Star Trek clearly rips off Wrath of Khan:

Khan wants revenge on Kirk for ruining his life.
Nero wants revenge on Spock for ruining his life.

Khan controls and extracts information using brain attaching worms.
Hmmm, what does Nero use?

Khan obtains want was meant to be a peaceful device but is turned to a Doomsday weapon to destroy whole planets (the Genesis Device)
Nero and red matter, blah blah

Khan exiles his nemesis to an uninhabited planet for revenge while he conquers
Guess what Nero does to older Spock?

[i6s1]

I dont recall this hint or insinuation. Which episode was it?

I don't know, I never watched TOS. Since I didn't really know firsthand, I put in the word "supposedly."

Here's some geek comments from this link:

http://www.scificool.com/spock-and-uhura-together-at-last/

I’m not alone when I say that in the first season, they looked flirty (Particularly Uhura) at times, so this really isn’t a stretch.

Spock+Uhura? Not a far strech at all. Remember that episode with that kid who could make everyone do what he wanted (Robert Walker Jr, I think…Charlie?) Remember how Uhura ‘flirted’ with Spock in the mess hall?


It *was* supposed to be Spock and Uhura in the earlier version of the “Plato’s Stepchildren”, but they changed it; there are two stories about it: one is that they thought it was “braver” to have Kirk, “a white man” kiss her, because Spock is half-alien (huh?), and the other one is that Shatner insisted that, if anyone is going to be kissing Nichelle, it was going to be him.

And besides “Charlie X”, Uhura also flirted with Spock in “Man Trap”… or rather, she was coming onto him and he left her frustrated with her unresponsiveness.

[Super strokey]

Kirk goes from ensign to Captain??? doesn't make sense...

but the movie was good...

Lol forgot about that, Im of the same opinion as you. Its good but seriously doesnt make an sense and it pisses me off that people seem to think it does lol.

[Piro21]

Think of it as a demonstration of "it isn't what you know, it's who you know". He got a battlefield promotion from the old captain (Pike) because Pike was friends with Kirk's dad, so that stuck during the mission since Starfleet is a military organization. Then when the mission was over Starfleet command just let him keep it because he saved the world. Same reason he got away with cheating in the test. When you think about it Kirk is just a yuppie with connections he abused to get his foot in the door.

[sfu_lifer]

is that the new Apple Store?

Btw, new Star Trek clearly rips off Wrath of Khan:

Khan wants revenge on Kirk for ruining his life.
Nero wants revenge on Spock for ruining his life.

Khan controls and extracts information using brain attaching worms.
Hmmm, what does Nero use?

Khan obtains want was meant to be a peaceful device but is turned to a Doomsday weapon to destroy whole planets (the Genesis Device)
Nero and red matter, blah blah

Khan exiles his nemesis to an uninhabited planet for revenge while he conquers
Guess what Nero does to older Spock?
Why not rip off the best Star Trek movie (from what Trekkies have told me)? I know many folks who avoided Star Trek just because they thought it was too nerdy. I'm sure most of those haven't watched Wrath of Khan and would've enjoyed this not knowing that history.

[N_Raged]

is that the new Apple Store?

Btw, new Star Trek clearly rips off Wrath of Khan:

Khan wants revenge on Kirk for ruining his life.
Nero wants revenge on Spock for ruining his life.

Khan controls and extracts information using brain attaching worms.
Hmmm, what does Nero use?

Khan obtains want was meant to be a peaceful device but is turned to a Doomsday weapon to destroy whole planets (the Genesis Device)
Nero and red matter, blah blah

Khan exiles his nemesis to an uninhabited planet for revenge while he conquers
Guess what Nero does to older Spock?
Here's one more:

Kirk screams "KHAAAAN!"
Nero screams "SPOOOOCK!"


http://craphound.com/images/3200285750_d2bd0a62fd.jpg

[time space]

No, he just doesn't approve of people stating that it's a sign of idiocy or poor taste to like the movie. And he's right.
A quick search of this thread reveals that you have demonstrated as little tolerance for opinions that differ from your own, as SAN66 has. It seems that like misery, narrow-mindedness loves company.

Nonetheless, I will reiterate what I said earlier in this thread:
seriously, it's a shame that some people could dislike the movie as much as they do.
I agree, it is a shame - but it's true. :(

I'm happy for those who enjoyed it though. :)

I am always happy to hear that someone enjoyed a movie. I may not understand why, but you can't argue taste. If it works for you, it works.

You're right; I have absolutely no tolerance for any opinion that tells me my opinion is "flat out wrong," blatantly asserts I have no common sense, and declares, as fact, that I have poor taste in storytelling and characterization.

Yes, I am unabashedly and unapologetically intolerant to such a pigheaded opinion.

How else would you expect me to respond to:

If you enjoyed Star Trek, the issue really just comes down to your poor taste as a viewer...


You continue to conveniently choose to ignore my comments and instead respond to the more extreme opinions of Deal-Ion.

[SAN66]

Here's one more:

Kirk screams "KHAAAAN!"
Nero screams "SPOOOOCK!"


http://craphound.com/images/3200285750_d2bd0a62fd.jpg

I don't think SPOOOOCK! Had quite as good a delivery as KHAAAAN! The movie was full of pokes and prods to the original series and previous movies. Variations on a theme really, but it was well delivered.

So the new Star Trek = Star Wars Episode IV + Star Trek wrath of Khan?

You continue to conveniently choose to ignore my comments and instead respond to the more extreme opinions of Deal-Ion.

You continue to quote people out of context and chop up their posts so that they fit into your cookie cutter responses.

Everyone is ignoring you because we're having a conversation about the latest star trek movie and not an argument about your ego.

[Vertigo]

You continue to conveniently choose to ignore my comments and instead respond to the more extreme opinions of Deal-Ion.

You called me out for showing "little tolerance" to others' opinions:
A quick search of this thread reveals that you have demonstrated as little tolerance for opinions that differ from your own, as SAN66 has.

Yet the only "opinion" I've disagreed with in this thread was Deal-Ion's. Why then are you surprised that I responded to your accusation by quoting Deal-Ion?

I continue to conveniently choose to ignore your comments? I haven't ignored you at all; I directly addressed your sole comment to me. Methinks you're confused.

[habs77]

ques for ones that have seen the movie and are also familar with the old show.

The old TV series had an episode where a former Starfleet captain was confined to a wheelchair and could only communicate through the lights and buzz sounds on the front of his chair. If I remember correctly, he was testifying against Kirk.

In the new movie, is the Starfleet captain at the end in the wheelchair the same as the one from the old show? :confused:

[Tristen]

Yes, they're both Captain Christopher Pine.

ques for ones that have seen the movie and are also familar with the old show.

The old TV series had an episode where a former Starfleet captain was confined to a wheelchair and could only communicate through the lights and buzz sounds on the front of his chair. If I remember correctly, he was testifying against Kirk.

In the new movie, is the Starfleet captain at the end in the wheelchair the same as the one from the old show? :confused:

[habs77]

Yes, they're both Captain Christopher Pine.



Ahhhhh I wondered that! Coolio - thanks!

[time space]

Everyone is ignoring you because we're having a conversation about the latest star trek movie and not an argument about your ego.
Far from ignoring me, you take every opportunity to make another failed attempt at belittling me. I suggest that you focus on explaining your own enjoyment of the movie, and stop your attempts at silencing those of us who happen to dislike it.



Yet the only "opinion" I've disagreed with in this thread was Deal-Ion's. Why then are you surprised that I responded to your accusation by quoting Deal-Ion?

I continue to conveniently choose to ignore your comments? I haven't ignored you at all; I directly addressed your sole comment to me. Methinks you're confused.
I suggest that henceforth you respond directly to Deal-lon, and also that your arguments would be stronger without the use of condescending archaic language.

[Vertigo]

I suggest that henceforth you respond directly to Deal-lon, and also that your arguments would be stronger without the use of condescending archaic language.

You must really want to make something out of nothing. "Methinks" is condescending? Please. If I wanted to be condescending, you'd know it.

"Henceforth" I'll respond to whom I please; this is a public forum. If you'd like to continue this lovely chat, the PM button is -> that way.

[Tristen]

LOL. Whoops on me.:o
LOL

Christopher PINE is the ACTOR who played Kirk.

Christopher PIKE is the captain of the Enterprise who ends up in the wheelchair.

[manixc]

Finally watched this movie (stupid delay at where I'm now, it came out yesterday).

LOVED it. I'm not very familiar with the Original Series and the movies but I love the new spin they have put on the story and character.

Love the way the oddball in the away team die right away, so classic. And some of the humor.

there are probably some flaws in the plot but honestly I'm not going to worry about it. overall, it was a very enjoyable movie and I hope they will have more, and maybe even a new tv series!!!!!!!!!!

[Pavel]

I saw the movie a few weeks ago on my iPhone. I found the writing a bit unoriginal like when Spock from the future told young Kirk "I have been and always shall be, your friend" and a few other scenes which were written for no other reason but nostalgia. Old Spock bowing down and on his knees to the villain was another unlikely scene.

Still, the movie is good enough for me to visit in the theatres which I havent done so yet. Not sure though if I'll pay the extra bucks to see it in Imax though.

[CSAgent]

Watched this again last night - ugh, seeing it for the second time I could see so many wrongs in this movie.

There's no heart, no compassion - all action and no substance. It's a travesty.

Star Trek TNG's episode "Chain of Command" had a much more better torture scene that struck you to the bones as opposed to the short 1 minute scene of Pike in this movie. A TV show with an average budget of $250,000 per episode at the time compared to a hundred dollar movie churned out much more intelligence and heart - baffling!

As much as Star Trek IX or X was panned by critics, watching them both on Blu-Ray recently - I realized how much better they both are. Patrick Stewart is 10 times better the actors Zachary Quinto, Chris Pine are combined! Stewart could have clown make up on and in the nude and would command more respect from his crew than Pine would!

"Darmok" (Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra!) in Star Trek: TNG was a more highly intelligent episode than this whole movie even!

[thelefteyeguy]

Watched this again last night - ugh, seeing it for the second time I could see so many wrongs in this movie.

There's no heart, no compassion - all action and no substance. It's a travesty.

Star Trek TNG's episode "Chain of Command" had a much more better torture scene that struck you to the bones as opposed to the short 1 minute scene of Pike in this movie. A TV show with an average budget of $250,000 per episode at the time compared to a hundred dollar movie churned out much more intelligence and heart - baffling!

As much as Star Trek IX or X was panned by critics, watching them both on Blu-Ray recently - I realized how much better they both are. Patrick Stewart is 10 times better the actors Zachary Quinto, Chris Pine are combined! Stewart could have clown make up on and in the nude and would command more respect from his crew than Pine would!

"Darmok" (Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra!) in Star Trek: TNG was a more highly intelligent episode than this whole movie even!

:)

[Buggy166]

it was great popcorn flick and definately eons better than something like transformers 2.

[MrDisco]

Are there any early rumours for a sequel (or a new ST tv series for that matter)?

[rabbit]

> Watched this again last night - ugh, seeing it for the second time I could see so many wrongs in this movie.

Funny, I watched it again recently, and with a less critical eye, I liked it better the second time. :)

The first time, I thought it was a piece of poo, both as a Star Trek movie and as a sci-fi movie. I still think it is poo as a Star Trek movie (ships with an odd number of nacelles, BSG-style missiles), but even though the story was lousy, I was entertained. Someone needs to beat the crap out of Abrams, though, for his overuse of lensflares.

PS. The Enterprise bridge looks like a cosmetics counter.

[movieman]

Funny, I watched it again recently, and with a less critical eye, I liked it better the second time. :)

I've gone in the opposite direction: watching it in the cinema I found it pretty enertaining despite the obvious flaws, but the more I think back on it the more I realise that it was, actually, a piece of poo.

[Talamasca]

Are there any early rumours for a sequel (or a new ST tv series for that matter)?

The sequel was already greenlit by Paramount back in April before this movie even came out based on very positive test screenings. No news on a new TV series though.

[Defiant]

I'm not a huge fan of this movie when its contrasted to the various series (Voyager and Enterprise excluded).

Lets face it, there evidently seems to be an issue with an audience being able to follow a story(and the issue being maximizing profits). Everything has to be encapsulated into snippets. Its Star Trek for the ADHD generation.

[M-e-X-x]

Patrick Stewart is 10 times better the actors Zachary Quinto, Chris Pine are combined! Stewart could have clown make up on and in the nude and would command more respect from his crew than Pine would!

Well, Stewart has a Shakespearean acting background so you can't really compare...

[sfu_lifer]

If Abrams does t hat stupid shaky cam stuff again, I'm not watching the sequel. It's pretty stupid doing a shaky cam during talky pieces while ON EARTH. Space, maybe, but on terra firma while sitting at the table, that is just being stupid.

[i6s1]

I'm not a huge fan of this movie when its contrasted to the various series (Voyager and Enterprise excluded).

Lets face it, there evidently seems to be an issue with an audience being able to follow a story(and the issue being maximizing profits). Everything has to be encapsulated into snippets. Its Star Trek for the ADHD generation.

No, the stories had run their course. There are a limited number of moral issues that people are interested in. There are only a limited number of times that these moral issues can be applied to the ST canon before they become stale and repetitive. Trek TV needs to lie fallow for at least a decade before we can reharvest the classic Trek blend of morality and space. Until that time comes, we might as well enjoy some action movies. And if the action movies get people back into trek to support a new TV series, then that's better for everyone.

[Kujo]

I finally got around to seeing this film. It's definitely entertaining, and the best Star Trek film in ages. That being said, it's far from perfect, and there some things that bothered me.

I didn't like the opening scene when Kirk's introduced as a young boy. Way over the top.

I wish they didn't have use the whole time travel/alternate universe/timeline thing. I think they could have pulled off this reboot without having to resort to this. I understand why they didn't it but I could have done without Leonard Nimoy's Spock. I truly thought this was full 100% reboot.

The main antagonist, Nero, was not really memorable. The villain has been a major issue in the recent Star Trek films, and it's no different here. Not sure if it's Eric Bana's fault, or just how the character was written.

Chekov was somewhat annoying, and underdeveloped as a character.

The positives out way the negatives. The story drives the CGI, and special effects, and not the other way around, which is a refreshing change for Hollywood. I would give this 7 out 10 or 3.5 stars out 5.

I think the future sequels will be much better.

[Talamasca]

I wish they didn't have use the whole time travel/alternate universe/timeline thing. I think they could have pulled off this reboot without having to resort to this. I understand why they didn't it but I could have done without Leonard Nimoy's Spock. I truly thought this was full 100% reboot.

I can't think of any way they could have done this. A completely fresh reboot would have negated all the other movies and TV series and that would have pissed off a lot of the fans. By creating an alternate timeline, it allows the new crew to have all new adventures without being encumbered by the mountain of canon but by having it tied to the Prime timeline through Spock, it doesn't change everything that we already know.

[TechRock]

just wondering why this movie in bluray cost 40 bucks? anyone know? regular edition too nothing fancy or anything

[Haz]

just wondering why this movie in bluray cost 40 bucks? anyone know? regular edition too nothing fancy or anythingIt's still more than a month away. You'll likely find better deals closer to launch day.

With that said, Amazon US is listing $25.99 (http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Three-Disc-Digital-Blu-ray/dp/B001AVCFK6/ref=pd_cp_d_1) and Amazon Canada is showing $33.49 (http://www.amazon.ca/Star-Trek-Blu-ray/dp/B002EB43AG) (reg $47.99). Amazon UK shows £17.88 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Star-Trek-Blu-ray-Chris-Pine/dp/B002JPYIUM) (roughly $30 CAD).

[Emancipated]

It's still more than a month away. You'll likely find better deals closer to launch day.

With that said, Amazon US is listing $25.99 (http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Three-Disc-Digital-Blu-ray/dp/B001AVCFK6/ref=pd_cp_d_1) and Amazon Canada is showing $33.49 (http://www.amazon.ca/Star-Trek-Blu-ray/dp/B002EB43AG) (reg $47.99). Amazon UK shows £17.88 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Star-Trek-Blu-ray-Chris-Pine/dp/B002JPYIUM) (roughly $30 CAD).

whoops, thought it was released. I really wonder how people get their hands on master copies of these.

[zod]

whoops, thought it was released. I really wonder how people get their hands on master copies of these.

Probably in the manufacturing process. It's not like the create 100,000's of copies the week before release, it takes some time to make them and distribute. I always figured stuff ends up on the internet because an employee at the manufacturing plant or distribution centre snags one.

[Kujo]

I can't think of any way they could have done this. A completely fresh reboot would have negated all the other movies and TV series and that would have pissed off a lot of the fans. By creating an alternate timeline, it allows the new crew to have all new adventures without being encumbered by the mountain of canon but by having it tied to the Prime timeline through Spock, it doesn't change everything that we already know.

Good point, but some Star Trek fans are still pissed, claiming they essential wiped out the history of Star Trek, which isn't true as it's an alternate time-line. I guess they would still have some pissed of Trekkie's regardless of what they did. :)

Trekkies are going to nit-pick, and scrutinize the hell out of the future new time-line ST movies.

Personally, I would have preferred a completely new story. New characters, new ship, etc. Hopefully, they'll be another TV series.

whoops, thought it was released. I really wonder how people get their hands on master copies of these.

DVD-Rip leaked to the net last week. ;)

[originalnutta]

Personally, I would have preferred a completely new story. New characters, new ship, etc. Hopefully, they'll be another TV series.



DVD-Rip leaked to the net last week. ;)


And a new name.

I liked this movie, but it's not Star Trek. I'm glad it's an alternate universe, but i still prefer the Roddenberry stuff.

I'm waiting for the SE BD release, with comm badges. Nerd wat!

[rabbit]

> Personally, I would have preferred a completely new story. New characters, new ship, etc.

Agreed. They could have set it in the same time as the original Star Trek, but on a different ship. Another idea would be to do stories based on the crew from the original pilot (Captain Pike, etc).

The Star Trek Universe is so big that they could have rebooted the franchise without touching what has already existed.