Speeding Ticket Missing the date, Valid or Invalid???

[andylo888]

Hi, all

I just got my ticket tonight and when I check it out at home, just found that the "dd" in the date field is missing... Wondering if I could dispute this ticket because of this. Looking for some advice form you guys.
Thanks.



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[dealforme]

You can try but I've been told that the judges now allow some leaway for human error. This is coming from a company, "Points", of ex-cops running a business fighting tickets.

Might be worth fighting if you can afford the time to sit in court.

[mbg]

Is there some day in the month of June that the speed you were going at would NOT have been deemed speeding? If not, I wonder what you think your case is.

[ItzPetey]

173? How fast were you going to get that? My bro got one in Ontario for 14 over or something and it was 25 bucks.

My guess is 95 in a 60 ;)

[Chemical2001]

Hmm... I'd say 140 on a highway.

[MaxPower2000]

Hmm... I'd say 140 on a highway.

Well, in Ontario, if you're doing 40km/h over, the cost is $7 per km/h over the limit. So 140km/h on a 100km/h road will cost ya $280.

Don't ask how I know this. :)

[Chemical2001]

Ok, then 125.
but seriously, who gets pulled over for doing 125?

[urameatball]

Ok, then 125.
but seriously, who gets pulled over for doing 125?yah, at 125, you get pulled over for impeding traffic.

[urameatball]

btw, I know in Ontario, your ticket is thrown out.

To be convicted of speeding, you need:
Date, Time
Location
to be in a motorized vehicle
to be on a public road with an indicated speed limit
(anything else I forget?)

The ticket doesn't say the exact date, it's not a prima facie case and all you have to do is tell the judge and you're home free. LUCKY KID!

[RedLightSpecial]

your ticket is not valid. Consider yourself lucky. I got a speeding ticket at 8:15 am and the officer put down 8:15 pm, i took it to the courts to set a trial date immediately and had them stamp the time I was there to set up a trial on the ticket. So the trial was setup at 9:46 am and the ticket was officially issued to me at 8:15 pm, which was not possible and thus the ticket was thrown out. There is no leaway from judges for human error (officer or driver), because if there was, that would have been my defence as to why I was speeding in the first place.

[Arrow]

Ok, then 125.
but seriously, who gets pulled over for doing 125?

Was it an 80km/h zone?

[ItzMe]

btw, I know in Ontario, your ticket is thrown out.

To be convicted of speeding, you need:
Date, Time
Location
to be in a motorized vehicle
to be on a public road with an indicated speed limit
(anything else I forget?)

The ticket doesn't say the exact date, it's not a prima facie case and all you have to do is tell the judge and you're home free. LUCKY KID!

lucky! :( officer screwed up on my car description in BC but the judge said he wouldn't throw it out... i want to live in ontario! LOL

[gman]

The date is very important. It is not just a simple human error but a big one. For example, you would be taken away the chance of proving you were not even driving on that day. I think the judge will throw the charge away in heart beat.

If I were you, I will make photo copy of that ticket just in case you need to hand that to the clerk or something and somebody happens to add the data back to it. I forget the procedure.

[Defiant]

Go to court and the judge will throw it out. No date=no fine.

[ginabobolee]

that' right
no date no fine

:wink:

[grant]

I guess it's worth a try to fight it.

Personally I think the judge will just let the cop write in the date after the fact.

But maybe not, that's a significant omission.

[urameatball]

btw, I know in Ontario, your ticket is thrown out.

To be convicted of speeding, you need:
Date, Time
Location
to be in a motorized vehicle
to be on a public road with an indicated speed limit
(anything else I forget?)

The ticket doesn't say the exact date, it's not a prima facie case and all you have to do is tell the judge and you're home free. LUCKY KID!

lucky! :( officer screwed up on my car description in BC but the judge said he wouldn't throw it out... i want to live in ontario! LOLthey might not throw it out in Ontario either... because having the wrong description of the vehicle still meets the criteria for a prima facie case. In your case, as long as the description of the vehicle is a motorized vehicle, then you're still screwed (unless the judge was lenient)

[andylo888]

Oh, I think I'll try to dispute the tickets then...
Thanks for your advices... :lol:

Accorrding to the officer, I 'm doing 126km/h (max) in a 100km/h zone...

He just caught me from behind. I wondered how fast were he driving... lol

[KennyX]

Oh, I think I'll try to dispute the tickets then...
Thanks for your advices... :lol:

Accorrding to the officer, I 'm doing 126km/h (max) in a 100km/h zone...

He just caught me from behind. I wondered how fast were he driving... lol

Damn Pigs!

[andylo888]

can anyone give me some advice what to do in the court??
Just saying that I'm dispute the ticket because the date wasn't listed there???

I've no experience disputing tix.

Usually, how long does it take to get to court??

[dealforme]

can anyone give me some advice what to do in the court??
Just saying that I'm dispute the ticket because the date wasn't listed there???

I've no experience disputing tix.

Usually, how long does it take to get to court??

What is your location?

All the information on the back in how to dispute it. Basically you can call a number or write a letter or go down to the Province Traffic cashier and plea not guilty. You get a court date, sit there until you get called up. You state this ticket is invalid due to the issue date of the ticket is not known. You may get lucky if the constable who wrote the ticket doesn't show up and therefore you walk out uncharged.

[gman]

There should be an address for you to arrange the court day. Go there and show this to the clerk.

I think the clerk may just remove the charge for you.

If not, you arrive there in the court day. Show that the DA. The DA may just withdraw in that stage.

If DA does not do that, you will sit in the court with a lot of people and the clerk will ask you guys one by one to face the judge. You just tell him there is no day in the ticket when it is your turn.

[pulsar]

One of the best resources I have found on fighting speeding tickets in Canada:

Fight Your Speeding Tickets (http://www.magma.ca/~fyst/) Please note the site sometimes gets hit hard so give it time.


As a side note, I always appeal my speeding tickets by sending it through the mail. One time, they sent me an acknowledgment that they received the ticket and that they'll send me a court date....they court date never arrived! I've been checking with ICBC to see whether I have any points outstanding and I still don't. It's been 2.5 years now so I pretty well lucked out.


pulsar

[i6s1]

There are 2 types of boxes on a ticket. Some are "critial", some are "non-critical." The Judge may allow the cop to correct non-critical information, (like your birthday) but cannot allow the cop to correct critical information. The date is critical information. So make your court date, cause the cop just saved you $173.

[thomas997]

hah maybe the guy was being nice to you ;)

[bc3205]

What happens if the cop had entered the date on his copy of the ticket? Assuming he enters the correct date, would that make it valid in the eyes of the court? :? The judge might only care that the correct date is reported somehow and you won't have a leg to stand on. You might want to consider this before you decide to fight it in court. Don't forget that you get extra charges if you lose. Maybe you might just take your punishment (you did speed, didn't you?) and cut your losses. :(

[anounymouse]

Fight Your Speeding Tickets (http://www.magma.ca/~fyst/)  Please note the site sometimes gets hit hard so give it time.



great site, they don't mention the date as being either Fatal, or minor piece of information though. The only things they list as fatal is the presence of your name, and the charge

Also, tickets are usually numbered serially, so the officer might have filled in the date later (on his copy of the ticket), according to that site they can amend your ticket in court (and fix the missing date?)

[old_mate]

You committed the crime, why don't you do the right thing and pay the fine. Take some responsiblity for your actions.

[andylo888]

What happens if the cop had entered the date on his copy of the ticket? Assuming he enters the correct date, would that make it valid in the eyes of the court?  :? The judge might only care that the correct date is reported somehow and you won't have a leg to stand on. You might want to consider this before you decide to fight it in court. Don't forget that you get extra charges if you lose. Maybe you might just take your punishment (you did speed, didn't you?) and cut your losses.  :(

Oh, there's a extra changes if I lose?? How much is that??
Beside, will this ticket affects my insurance rate??

[GangStarr]

Q: The ticket has some information that is incorrect. Will the ticket be dismissed?
A: It depends on what information is incorrect. If your name is spelled wrong, it is NOT a fatal error. It usually comes down to the question of "This is not me" or "This is me but my name is Steven not Stephen". As long as you are standing in front of the court, and the officer can identify you, then you are the right person. There are many things on the ticket that have no bearing on the validity of the ticket, such as your address, license, vehicle model etc. A difference in opinion about the colour of your car is definitely not a fatal error (e.g. whether it is cactus green or tropical green). Also, the law only requires that the offence occured "on or about" the time and date stated on the ticket. The only things vital on the ticket are the charge and the PRESENCE of your name. If the officer puts down a charge such as "speeding 40km/h in a 63km/h zone" or forgets to put down the defendant's name then it is a fatal error. Also, the court retains the power to amend an offence notice if something minor is not right. However, you can use the mistake to your advantage, by getting the officer to commit himself on the wrong bits, and then nailing him later. For example, if the officer identified that you were driving a red Honda, but in fact you were in a blue Toyota, you don't raise this until after the officer has testified. If you raise this fact before he testifies, the court will amend the ticket and the officer will change his testimony accordingly. In short, don't say the ticket has some mistakes until the officer has committed himself. This way reasonable doubt about the integrity of the ticket will likely be raised.


Bloody hell, dad got a ticket with 1 character wrong in his last name :(

[anounymouse]

You committed the crime, why don't you do the right thing and pay the fine. Take some responsiblity for your actions.

blah blah blah.. even the school buses do 120-125km/h on the highways here..

[old_mate]

that doesn't matter. When you knowingly break the law, even if everyone else is doing it too, you have to face up to the consequences.

[getmail99]

that doesn't matter. When you knowingly break the law, even if everyone else is doing it too, you have to face up to the consequences.

On which date? :?:

[gman]

that doesn't matter. When you knowingly break the law, even if everyone else is doing it too, you have to face up to the consequences.

He is facing his consequence - going to court.

Everybody is knowingly breaking the law everyday. The difference is if you are caught or not. Everyday, I see people breaking the traffic law.

[My estimation for GTA]

1. 99.9% of drivers do not do a full stop on stop sign. (I do full stop).

2. 80% of drivers do not do a full stop on red before making a right turn. (I do full stop)

3. 70% of drivers do not prepare to stop on an amber light. Not obeying Amber light can give you a ticket. I got one of that ticket 23 years ago for not "obey the amber light". I did not run a red. I only speed up to cross with an amber.

4. Not wearing seat belt in the back seat.

[old_mate]

No, the consequences would be paying the fine. Going to court is his attempt to weasel his way out of the fine.

[lagos]

No, the consequences would be paying the fine. Going to court is his attempt to weasel his way out of the fine.

sorry I am not usually rude but just stfu dude...we are trying to help this guy in here not to accuse him...If he was going at 150+, then I would say yeah face the consequences, but 125km/h? come on now...as someone said already, school buses are going at 125 in TO.

I think what the police officer did was a fatal error...there are hundreds of people everyday win their speeding ticket cases and this one is a very easy one to win.

[charger]

BC speeding tickets are pretty steep. I just got one an hour ago:(.
It was for the same amount:(
Damn my new impreza;however, I can fight it b/c the put down the wrong plate number and a wrong description :roll:

[nightwolf]

my first ticket was thrown out cause it took 1.5 years to get a court date, judge said bleh.

wish the cop woulda screwed up the date on my last ticket/court summons heh. got it downa bit though, from 6 points to 4 points and $400. insurance will hurt even more soon.

[Chemical2001]

BC speeding tickets are pretty steep. I just got one an hour ago:(.
It was for the same amount:(
Damn my new impreza;however, I can fight it b/c the put down the wrong plate number and a wrong description :roll:

Stupid cop.

[Rehan]

BC speeding tickets are pretty steep. I just got one an hour ago:(.
It was for the same amount:(
Damn my new impreza;however, I can fight it b/c the put down the wrong plate number and a wrong description :roll:
So 30 minutes after you posted "I hope I don't get any speeding tickets." ('http://www.redflagdeals.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=257577#257577'), you got one. That's pretty bad luck!

[KennyX]

No, the consequences would be paying the fine. Going to court is his attempt to weasel his way out of the fine.

sorry I am not usually rude but just stfu dude...we are trying to help this guy in here not to accuse him...If he was going at 150+, then I would say yeah face the consequences, but 125km/h? come on now...as someone said already, school buses are going at 125 in TO.

I think what the police officer did was a fatal error...there are hundreds of people everyday win their speeding ticket cases and this one is a very easy one to win.

Completely agree.

Im guessing old_mate is one of those guys on the road holding up all the traffic.

[anounymouse]

No, the consequences would be paying the fine. Going to court is his attempt to weasel his way out of the fine.

sorry I am not usually rude but just stfu dude...we are trying to help this guy in here not to accuse him...If he was going at 150+, then I would say yeah face the consequences, but 125km/h? come on now...as someone said already, school buses are going at 125 in TO.

I think what the police officer did was a fatal error...there are hundreds of people everyday win their speeding ticket cases and this one is a very easy one to win.

Completely agree.

Im guessing old_mate is one of those guys on the road holding up all the traffic.

don't forget, he's driving in the far left lane going 101km/h, because he is willing to face the consequences!

[old_mate]

Actually, I choose not to drive a car. I would rather take my bike than add to pollution.

Before I switched from a car to a bike, I would drive at the same speed as others. The one time I got a speeding ticket I just paid it. I knew I was going over the legal limit , so I took responsibility for it. Even if everyone else is speeding it doesn't mean you have to. If everyone else jumped off a cliff, would you?

[Rehan]

Even if everyone else is speeding it doesn't mean you have to.
If everyone is speeding and you're not, then you're more likely to be the cause of an accident than anyone else is.

[gman]

When I had my driving test, I got one check mark - only one. And, that tick was driving slow. And, I was driving right on the limit of the road. The tester said I did not keep up the speed of the flow of the traffic. I am not sure if he was right but I did get that check mark - otherwise, I would have been perfect.

On the other hand, my friend was charged careless driving for riding a bike (not motor bike) and ran into a women. When the cop asked for id, he follishly gave him his driver licence. The charge was dismissed though and he was not brave enough to face the consequences.

Both case happened 23 years ago. I think the world has been changed since then. :roll:

[gman]

If everyone else jumped off a cliff, would you?

Depends on the situation. If a volcano erupted behind me, I would.

[getmail99]

I knew I was going over the legal limit , so I took responsibility for it.

If you are driving at 60, and the speed of the street changes to
50 and you miss the first 50 sign. You find out you are
speeding when you see the 2nd 50 sign. Too bad there is no
police catch you speeding. "I knew I was going over the legal limit , so I took responsibility for it."

Will you drive your car to the nearest police station and tell
the police that you are speeding and ask for a ticket?

[ud666]

i'm still waiting for a court date for my ticket for disobeying a stop sign.. i'm disputing because the officer put down the wrong location on the ticket... :roll:

[wc72]

i just went to court yesterday for a speeding ticket, and the charges were dropped as the cop did not show up. i'm very happy :lol: :lol:

fight the ticket. don't listen to this nonsense of "face the consequences"... that's a load of BS in your case.

[Menace]

yea, they're just glorified security guards.



Stupid cop.

[mbg]

i just went to court yesterday for a speeding ticket, and the charges were dropped as the cop did not show up. i'm very happy :lol: :lol:

fight the ticket. don't listen to this nonsense of "face the consequences"... that's a load of BS in your case.

I agree. If you were not speeding, you should not have to pay the fine.

Fight it!

[bc3205]

i just went to court yesterday for a speeding ticket, and the charges were dropped as the cop did not show up. i'm very happy :lol: :lol:

fight the ticket. don't listen to this nonsense of "face the consequences"... that's a load of BS in your case.

I agree. If you were not speeding, you should not have to pay the fine.

Fight it!

I think that everyone is forgetting what the original question was. It seems quite obvious that the issue isn't about whether he was speeding or not. The fact that the cop stopped him and the fact that he never denied it points to this fact. I think he wants to know if he stands a chance of beating the ticket based on the error of not having the day entered on his ticket. It is also interesting that so many people like to tell him to go to court without taking into consideration that there is still a good chance he may lose the case and end up paying the fine plus any other expenses that this may incur. Are you good people willing to pay his fines if he does go to court and end up losing? For all we know, the cop might know that he left out the day and puts in on his copy knowing that if you show up in court, you end up losing big time. Would you lie to the judge when he asks if you were driving on that highway on that given day? How do explain the fact that the ticket was handed to you by the cop? Can you honestly say that you would take such a chance with your own money?

[gman]

I think that everyone is forgetting what the original question was. It seems quite obvious that the issue isn't about whether he was speeding or not. The fact that the cop stopped him and the fact that he never denied it points to this fact. I think he wants to know if he stands a chance of beating the ticket based on the error of not having the day entered on his ticket. It is also interesting that so many people like to tell him to go to court without taking into consideration that there is still a good chance he may lose the case and end up paying the fine plus any other expenses that this may incur. Are you good people willing to pay his fines if he does go to court and end up losing? For all we know, the cop might know that he left out the day and puts in on his copy knowing that if you show up in court, you end up losing big time. Would you lie to the judge when he asks if you were driving on that highway on that given day? How do explain the fact that the ticket was handed to you by the cop? Can you honestly say that you would take such a chance with your own money?

Yes, there is a chance to lose but the chance is very low. In my point of view, you should always try to go to court. It is not about the fine. The fine is $147. If the judge somehow does not like you and say double it, it is $300. However, do you know how much really that will cost you if the ticket stands? It can easily cost you $1000 altogether if you factor in all the insurance cost for the next few years. If you have more than one car, it will be even more.

If you are really guilty badly, you can plead guilty with explanation. That usually will at least reduce your fine.

I had less than a handful of tickets in the past 20+ years. I went to court in all of them. All of them were withdraw.

1. I made a left turn at the time I could not. 3 cars were caught by one cop on motor cycles in one shot. I went to court and plead guilty with explanation. I really could not see the sign. A truck was in front of it when I approached the light. The road was down hill and the sign was blocked by a overpass before I got close. By the time I saw the sign, I already committed the turn. Anyway, the guy before me was a jerk and really pissed the judge off - arguing something really stupid and the judge considered him wasting court's time. So, when it was my turn, I went up there, plead guilty with explanation. The judge just let me go and no charge.

2. I drove into a closed road. I planned to plead guilty with explanation. Well, the cop did not show up and the judge just let me go.

Anyway, it is not about the fine. The fine is small for my charges. This is a small consequence. The bigger consequence is the insurance cost.

For my experience, unless you are really a jerk or you are so unlucky that the judge has a bad hair day, you should always be better off. This is not limited to my cases but also watching the proceedings while I was waiting for my turn. If you are polite and humble, the judge seldom makes it worse than what you got already.

[getmail99]

I agree with gman :)

[clearblue]

OK, I received a speeding ticket tonight. And I looked at the ticket and he spelled my last name wrong. I read that this doesn't necessarily mean it is a fatal error, however, it's not like it's a case of a variation in my first name. My last name is clearly spelled wrong. Anybody know if this will be enough to get it thrown out in BC courts?

[maxgohan]

you should be able to fight it, if the cop just makes up a random date and if you can prove to the judge that you were sitting at home on that date then it should be no contest?

[Shaner]

There's been a lot of good information posted in this thread, but there's also a lot of people talking out of their a$$.

The cop is not going to make up a date that the offence occured. He will have it written down in his notebook, which will include all the information on the car, driver and the offence itself. It will also be logged into the computer that he made a traffic stop at a certain time on a certain date.
He's not going to perjure himself by making up a date in court, nobody is that stupid.

The judge can choose to have that ticket amended, or the judge can choose to have it thrown out. If the cop is able to remember the event and accurately refer to his notebook to recall the date, there's a good chance it won't get thrown out. The judge is NOT obligated to dismiss the ticket based on the date.

The problem is if the cop lays a lot of traffic tickets, he may not be able to remember giving you the ticket and may not be able to accurately refer to his notebook, in which case the ticket is going to be dismissed.

Go to court, explain your case and hope it gets dismissed. Keep in mind that the ticket can be amended though, there is no guarantee it will be thrown out, irregardless of what some 15 year old RFD members think.

[Shaner]

OK, I received a speeding ticket tonight. And I looked at the ticket and he spelled my last name wrong. I read that this doesn't necessarily mean it is a fatal error, however, it's not like it's a case of a variation in my first name. My last name is clearly spelled wrong. Anybody know if this will be enough to get it thrown out in BC courts?

If he spelled your last name wrong, it will be amended. If he wrote down a name that's completely different than your own, it will probably be thrown out.
But even if the cop spells your name drastically wrong, if it's still obvious the person on the ticket is you, you're SOL!

[Happy13178]

Agree with Shaner here, I'd bring it in. Date wrong or not, considering the amount you were going over and on the road you were doing it on, its not that big a deal. Hell, on the 407 yesterday we were going 120 and people were passing us like we were standing still. I doubt you'd get your ticket doubled either for fines....they'll either dismiss it or order you to pay the fine. You don't have very much to lose here.

[tempperm]

I agree with GMAN. From personal experience, I ve had one ticket withdrawn because the officer did not show and in the other case I disputed the ticket because the date and model year were wrong. Fine was reduced only.

[dark169]

No, the consequences would be paying the fine. Going to court is his attempt to weasel his way out of the fine.


No thats not the consequences of speeding. The consequences of speeding is being charged for speeding. The fine is consequence of being found / pledding guilty to the chage of speeding. If anything a responsible citizen should always force the crown to prove the charges they lay to prevent an over zelous police force, using the guise of public safety to generate revenue.

If you feel you should pleed guilty to your speeding tickets thats your right, but not your responsibilty. Its up to the crown to convict you of charges laid against you reguardless of what those are beit speeding/shoplifting/murder, without the requirement of the crown to proove guilt we'd have no fair justice system for anyone.

[Shaner]

No thats not the consequences of speeding. The consequences of speeding is being charged for speeding. The fine is consequence of being found / pledding guilty to the chage of speeding. If anything a responsible citizen should always force the crown to prove the charges they lay to prevent an over zelous police force, using the guise of public safety to generate revenue.

If you feel you should pleed guilty to your speeding tickets thats your right, but not your responsibilty. Its up to the crown to convict you of charges laid against you reguardless of what those are beit speeding/shoplifting/murder, without the requirement of the crown to proove guilt we'd have no fair justice system for anyone.

Why should the crown use taxpayers money to find people guilty who know they are guilty? If you get caught for speeding, don't you think you have a moral obligation to plead guilty? Our justice system is geared in such a way as to ensure that innocent people do not get convicted, it is not to ensure that guilty people have a chance to get off scott free.

Our justice system isn't going to change based on the number of guilty and not-guilty pleas.

All you are doing is hurting society by wasting tax payer money by pleading fighting a ticket you know you are guilty of. Imagine if every guilty person actually plead guilty, can you imagine how much billions would be saved every year. Don't be so selfish, if you do something wrong, take responsibility for your actions.

[dark169]

Why should the crown use taxpayers money to find people guilty who know they are guilty? If you get caught for speeding, don't you think you have a moral obligation to plead guilty? Our justice system is geared in such a way as to ensure that innocent people do not get convicted, it is not to ensure that guilty people have a chance to get off scott free.

Our justice system isn't going to change based on the number of guilty and not-guilty pleas.

All you are doing is hurting society by wasting tax payer money by pleading fighting a ticket you know you are guilty of. Imagine if every guilty person actually plead guilty, can you imagine how much billions would be saved every year. Don't be so selfish, if you do something wrong, take responsibility for your actions.

I'm not wasting the crowns money, I'm exercising my RIGHT(s).

I would love if everyone even jsut for a weeek mailed in their tickets and asked for a court date. The crown should not be laying charges to such an extent that it is dependant on people giving up their right to be found guilty.

Doing something WRONG and ILLEGAL are two very differnt things.
And it doesnt change the fact that we are inocinet until proven guilty its the responsiblty of the crown to prove you where guilty to a judge, if I confess by sending in my cheque thats my right but I'm not doing anything except ensuring my rights as a citizen are upheld.

And I assume that when you discover you've been speeding, dont stop for the yellow, only slow down to a almost stop when turning right at a stop sign, ect you send in a letter and cheque asking for a conviction to be placed against your driving record jsut to keep your moral authoritaty over the masses?

[Shaner]

I'm not wasting the crowns money, I'm exercising my RIGHT(s).

I would love if everyone even jsut for a weeek mailed in their tickets and asked for a court date. The crown should not be laying charges to such an extent that it is dependant on people giving up their right to be found guilty.

Doing something WRONG and ILLEGAL are two very differnt things.
And it doesnt change the fact that we are inocinet until proven guilty its the responsiblty of the crown to prove you where guilty to a judge, if I confess by sending in my cheque thats my right but I'm not doing anything except ensuring my rights as a citizen are upheld.

And I assume that when you discover you've been speeding, dont stop for the yellow, only slow down to a almost stop when turning right at a stop sign, ect you send in a letter and cheque asking for a conviction to be placed against your driving record jsut to keep your moral authoritaty over the masses?


You are wasting taxpayers money. You know you are guilty, so why should the crown have to prove it? Speeding is illegal. Fighting a speeding charge you know you are guilty of is wrong, IMO.

Yes, it is your right to fight a traffic ticket, but the only reason it is your right is to ensure that innocent people do not get convicted. If you know you are not innocent of the crime against you, you should plead guilty.

You're right, if everyone elected to go to trial, the system would almost collapse, but that's because most of those people are guilty and are just wasting the crowns money and time.

I have gotten one ticket in 7 years of driving. I plead guilty and paid the fine. Why? Not so I would feel good about myself, but because I'm mature enough to realize when I do something wrong and take responsibility for my actions. If you aren't sur eof your guilt, by all means, fight the ticket, but if you know you are guilty, act like an adult and take responsibility for your actions.

[jedijome]

Fighting a speeding charge you know you are guilty of is wrong, IMO.

isn't that the whole point ? he believes he was just going with the flow of traffic and 126kmp/h on the 401 isn't excessive at all, "IMO".Thus if he belives he was not guilty he can go exercise his right to get a trial.

[tenchi]

If you're going to fight it, don't forget to apply (ask) for the cop's disclosure - which is his version of the incident that happened and he noted down in his notebook.
You can look at what he is going to say in the court and see if there are loopholes.

Once bitten, twice shy. I fought a case without asking for it and realized too late I wasn't properly prepared. On hindsight, I could have easily won the case.

So let my mistake be your learning chance. :D

[weedb0y]

isn't that the whole point ? he believes he was just going with the flow of traffic and 126kmp/h on the 401 isn't excessive at all, "IMO".Thus if he belives he was not guilty he can go exercise his right to get a trial.


word..126 isnt SPEEDING on 401.If you are going the speed limit, you pose more of a threat these days..

[gilboman]

I have gotten one ticket in 7 years of driving. I plead guilty and paid the fine. Why? Not so I would feel good about myself, but because I'm mature enough to realize when I do something wrong and take responsibility for my actions. If you aren't sur eof your guilt, by all means, fight the ticket, but if you know you are guilty, act like an adult and take responsibility for your actions.

exericising one's right to a trial is not a matter of maturity. if i get charged with speeding (like i did last nite), i choose to goto trial because i would like to know the crown's case against me, pleading guilty without even looking at evidence is absurd. e.g. i knew i was speeding, cop said 80 in 60zone, i doubt it was exactly 80..i want to goto trial for the cop to demonstrate how he arrived at the 80kp/h figure.

when people stop exercising their basic rights and at the least examine the evidence against them, society suffers as a whole and we regress all that we have achieved to ensure citizens/people get basic rights guaranteed to them.

[ronny1980]

I have gotten one ticket in 7 years of driving. I plead guilty and paid the fine. Why? Not so I would feel good about myself, but because I'm mature enough to realize when I do something wrong and take responsibility for my actions. If you aren't sur eof your guilt, by all means, fight the ticket, but if you know you are guilty, act like an adult and take responsibility for your actions.

By your logic if you *accidently* drove 110km/hr on the 401 you would report yourself to the police for speeding since you want to take responsiblity for your actions.

[weedb0y]

Btw, I remember I had asked for advice on this board on my one and only speed ticket for 10 over the 60km/h ticket. I was told to suck it up. I was coming back from my 14 hr security position at 7am and sped up a little to get all the dirt off my car. Anyway, it was stupid but on a clear road..it seemed logical at that time..

Anyway, I went to court, had my papers with me and was sitting beside few cops. We chatted and they asked me if I was defending someone since I had my log book and other papers with me for defense. I was telling them how I cant afford to have speeding ticket on my record for insurance reasons.

Apparently, the cop who had given me the ticket was sitting 2 benches ahead of me and overheard me. The other cop that I was chatting with asked me about my security job as well.

The end result was that, The cop told the crown to drop the charges as he's not gonna go for my case. (He was present at the court but decided to not go for my case.)

I actually thanked him because he saved me hundreds of dollars in future insurance hike! Sometimes Cops aren't pricks!

[googoo]

" Don't be so selfish, if you do something wrong, take responsibility for your actions."

Exactly!

The posted speed limit is 100kph, is they catch you going over that, then you are breaking the law!

Everybody breaks the law, remember the first time you smoked?? were you of legal age?? remember the first time you drank, were you of legal age?? Remember driving 126 in a 100kph, you were ALSO breaking the law.

If we were caught for everything illegal we did, we'ed all be in jail. Consider getting caught for doing 1 thing illegal as payback for the dozens of times you break the law every week.

Brent

[Shaner]

By your logic if you *accidently* drove 110km/hr on the 401 you would report yourself to the police for speeding since you want to take responsiblity for your actions.

Of course not, nor would I ever expect anyone to do such a thing. But if I get caught for speeding, I'm going to suck it up and pay the fine. Not for moral reasons, but because I'm not selfish enough to make all of society suffer (wasted taxpayers money) because of my actions.

I admit that I never drive the limit, I always drive over, although the amount varies from road to road. If I get caught and charged with speeding, if I know I am guilty of the offence listed against me, then I will plead guilty and pay the fine. I see no reason to go to court and fight something you know you are guilty of. If you want to go to court to try and get a reduced fine, so be it, but to actually fight it is selfish if you ask me.

Taking responsibility for your actions doesn't mean turning yourself into the police for every little thing you do. It means acknowledging your breaking the law and accepting the punishment if you get caught.

My only speeding ticket was 100 km/hr in an 80 zone. I was more or less going with the flow of traffic, but he nailed me anyway. I paid it because I knew I was speeding.

[jedijome]

nvm

[tempperm]

Taking responsibility for your actions doesn't mean turning yourself into the police for every little thing you do. It means acknowledging your breaking the law and accepting the punishment if you get caught.


Taking responsibility = Acknowledge law breaking and accept punishment if caught speeding? :confused:

Taking responsibility = Don't speed :)

But.....
I admit that I never drive the limit, I always drive over


Please don't preach. Thanks!

[st7860]

Anyway, I went to court, had my papers with me and was sitting beside few cops. We chatted and they asked me if I was defending someone since I had my log book and other papers with me for defense. I was telling them how I cant afford to have speeding ticket on my record for insurance reasons.



Did you have another speeding ticket recently? Or in Ontario, even ONE speeding ticket on your record will increase your insurance? In BC, one ticket won't do anything. you need at least 2 or 3.

[Shaner]

Taking responsibility = Don't speed :)

Being responsible = not speeding
Taking responsibility for your actions = paying the fine if you get caught for speeding.
They are not the same thing.
You can't really take responsibility for your actions if your actions aren't wrong in the first place.



Please don't preach. Thanks!

I never said don't speed. I said shutup and pay the fine if you get caught for speeding, which is exactly what I did. Pay closer attention.

[tempperm]

I m sorry but your "holier than thou" attitude doesn't work for me.

[Shaner]

On a very ironic note, I got pulled over coming home from hockey tonight. I was doing 90 in a 60 and the cop put down April 1st as the date the offence occurred, but the actual date was March 31st.

[Daemar]

Just write in that 'dd' spot a random number like 702.
I've never gotten a ticket, so I have no idea what the rules are in alberta.

[Txiasaeia]

On a very ironic note, I got pulled over coming home from hockey tonight. I was doing 90 in a 60 and the cop put down April 1st as the date the offence occurred, but the actual date was March 31st.

So what are you going to do?

[Shaner]

So what are you going to do?

I'm going to do exactly as I said others should do. I'm going to plead guilty and pay the fine. I am going to see if I can get the fine reduced though, but that's completely different than fighting it.

[gilboman]

I'm going to do exactly as I said others should do. I'm going to plead guilty and pay the fine. I am going to see if I can get the fine reduced though, but that's completely different than fighting it.

how is it any different? you should take responsibility for your actions, you were given a ticket with fine based on amount you were speeding by, trying to lower the fine means you are not accepting responsiblity which you have preached in this thread.

if you are guilty of the offence, then prepare to accept the consequences of it, not to try to ask them to give you the punishment of a lesser offence :lol:

[Shaner]

how is it any different? you should take responsibility for your actions, you were given a ticket with fine based on amount you were speeding by, trying to lower the fine means you are not accepting responsiblity which you have preached in this thread.

if you are guilty of the offence, then prepare to accept the consequences of it, not to try to ask them to give you the punishment of a lesser offence :lol:

Now you're just arguing semantics for the sake of arguing. I have a problem with people fighting a ticket which they are guilty of. Those people stand in front of a judge and say they are not guilty, even though they know they are. I am not doing that. I will go speak to the Justice of the Peace, take 45 seconds of his time and ask for a reduced fine. If he says yes, I plead guilty. If he says no, I plead guilty. Either way, I am not claiming to be innocent, I am taking responsibility by pleading guilty and paying the fine that the JP deems appropriate.

Go back a few pages, you'll see that even before I got this recent ticket, I said asking for a reduced fine is perfectly fine and people should do it.

[clearblue]

if you pay the ticket before the first 30 days, isn't it already reduced by $25?

[Bree]

My uncle is a traffic sgt. in Alberta, and apparently, you may have a chance fighting the ticket. My father is a Sask. JP, and he also says you may have a chance at reducing it.

You should really pay the fine and take responsibility though. You shouldn't have been speeding, you know it. You got caught, you got fined. Pay the price and suck it up. You have no one but yourself to blame.

[Canuck_2005]

Now you're just arguing semantics for the sake of arguing. I have a problem with people fighting a ticket which they are guilty of. Those people stand in front of a judge and say they are not guilty, even though they know they are. I am not doing that. I will go speak to the Justice of the Peace, take 45 seconds of his time and ask for a reduced fine. If he says yes, I plead guilty. If he says no, I plead guilty. Either way, I am not claiming to be innocent, I am taking responsibility by pleading guilty and paying the fine that the JP deems appropriate.

Go back a few pages, you'll see that even before I got this recent ticket, I said asking for a reduced fine is perfectly fine and people should do it.


SHanner you are soo full of $h!t I can smell you from Caledon, Asking for a reduction in your fine is NO different then fighting the charges. Simply by adding that second step you have cost the tax payers money so get off your high horse

oh, and what ever happened to your friend who ran a red light? Did he dispute the charges, or did you advocate against that

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=269136

[tjuzer]

If you're going to fight it, don't forget to apply (ask) for the cop's disclosure - which is his version of the incident that happened and he noted down in his notebook.
You can look at what he is going to say in the court and see if there are loopholes.

Once bitten, twice shy. I fought a case without asking for it and realized too late I wasn't properly prepared. On hindsight, I could have easily won the case.

So let my mistake be your learning chance. :D

How to ask for disclosure :?:

[jm20]

word..126 isnt SPEEDING on 401.If you are going the speed limit, you pose more of a threat these days..

126 on the 401 is not even enough for the slow lane, apart from the odd, READ: FREQUENT, traffic jams and accidents.

[Shaner]

SHanner you are soo full of $h!t I can smell you from Caledon, Asking for a reduction in your fine is NO different then fighting the charges. Simply by adding that second step you have cost the tax payers money so get off your high horse

oh, and what ever happened to your friend who ran a red light? Did he dispute the charges, or did you advocate against that

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=269136

How can I be full of **** for an opinion of mine? I am stating my feelings on something that happened to me, I am not stating a fact, so how can I be full of **** and what exactly am I full of **** about? And I have no idea where Caledon is, but if you can smell ****, it likely is a result of your house being dirty, try cleaning it. ;)

On a serious note, go back and read what I said. I said (even before I got my ticket) that asking for a reduction in the fine is something everyone should do. I recommend people do it, you got nothing to lose. My problem is when people stand in front of a judge and say "not guilty" when they know damn well they are guilty.

I am not trying to get my ticket thrown out on a technicality (the date being wrong), I am just going to ask for a reduced fine. If the answer is no, I will pay the entire fine (I'm going to see the justice tuesday morning).

If you want to label them as being the same thing, so be it, that is your opinion. My opinion differs, it doesn't make me full of **** though.

[GangStarr]

Date is an important factor but it really comes down to the judge.

You will probably receive something in the mail, in which case they will probably have the date on it and argue the officers copy of the ticket was dated.

Its worth a shot, take it to court and see what the judge says.