Is this a typical question for cops to ask? **UPDATE**

[ClubberLang]

I've been randomly pulled over twice in the past three weeks. :mad: . Each time the officer has pulled me over because the car i drive (1990 civic hatchback) is registered in the name of an older woman (my 57 year old mom). I am a 24 year old male. THey ask me my relation to the owner, I provide them with insurance information, liscence ect.

THey also found it fit to ask me if I had any charges/pending court dates. The obvious answer was No. I have no experience with the police outside of my own. To others here, do the cops typically ask you if you have charges pending/court dates?

**UPDATE**
So on Tuesday night I let a friend of mine borrow the same car. He had to pick up his sister from the family buisness that he owns. On the way back he was pulled over and questioned randomly. He was following all the rules of the road. They asked him why he had the car. He explained that he was borrowing it from a friend. He does have a criminal record (will be able to apply for a pardon in a few months). They made him exist the car and performed a full search. They eveuntually let him go and told him that there were "no hard feelings"

I distinctly remember having a 5 dollar bill under my car seat. I keep it there for emergencies. It's no longer there. Three random stops in a six week period. These aren't ride checks either. Just cops who decided to pull over black males because their descriptions did not match the name of the vehicle owner.

[Kasakato]

Well it could be to see if you are telling the truth in correlation to you possibly driving a stolen car.

[corrupt123]

Well it could be to see if you are telling the truth in correlation to you possibly driving a stolen car.

Pretty much. You're on the insurance right?

I'm younge too, and plenty of times my plates have been scanned. (I know because they stop infront of me and dont let me past.. but never get out of their cars or say anything) Cars in my name though fortunately :)

[ClubberLang]

my name is on the insurance. imo someone driving a car that is owned by another person simply is not enough evidence to presume the car is stolen.

[Cafe_333]

yes it is typical for cops to ask this question. i've been asked these myself.

[gilboman]

my name is on the insurance. imo someone driving a car that is owned by another person simply is not enough evidence to presume the car is stolen.

no it is not...but if they did presume it stolen you would've been in back of the cruiser already. moreover, a driver with vastly different bio info to the owner is enough grounds for some suspicion ;)

[curtis]

No, but it IS potentially suspicious enough to checkout.

my name is on the insurance. imo someone driving a car that is owned by another person simply is not enough evidence to presume the car is stolen.

[i6s1]

Me and a friend were pulled over by a paddywagon at four in the morning when I was in school, because the car was his mom's. They said to us that's why they pulled us over. So it happens.

[Spare-Flair]

Pretty much. You're on the insurance right?

I'm younge too, and plenty of times my plates have been scanned. (I know because they stop infront of me and dont let me past.. but never get out of their cars or say anything) Cars in my name though fortunately :)

Can't happen in Alberta since we have no front plates!

[Agent_J]

I've been randomly pulled over twice in the past three weeks. :mad: ...I am a 24 year old male.
what city are you from? also, what's your ethnic background?

[Rehan]

Each time the officer has pulled me over because the car i drive (1990 civic hatchback) is registered in the name of an older woman (my 57 year old mom). So why don't you get the ownership transferred to yourself? It's an easy process.

[dell]

I got pulled over while wardriving on the way home from the gym a few weeks ago and the piggy wanted to know what I was doing driving around with a laptop on. Luckily the guy seemed computer illiterate and didn't understand anything about wireless access points, netstumbler, and all the technobabble I tried to confuse him with. I guess there wasn't much action going on in the area that night and he was bored or somthing.

[Shaner]

my name is on the insurance. imo someone driving a car that is owned by another person simply is not enough evidence to presume the car is stolen.

They are not presuming the car is stolen, if they were, you would have been in the back of the cruiser while they called the registered owner to check it out.

Everything they asked you is typical. They frequently ask young males (and some older males too) if they have any pending charges or anything of the sort. Most people get nervous when talking to the police, and most people aren't good liars when they are nervous, the police can tell these things.

If you haven't done anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about.

[Shaner]

I got pulled over while wardriving on the way home from the gym a few weeks ago and the piggy wanted to know what I was doing driving around with a laptop on. Luckily the guy seemed computer illiterate and didn't understand anything about wireless access points, netstumbler, and all the technobabble I tried to confuse him with. I guess there wasn't much action going on in the area that night and he was bored or somthing.

Wow, I'm so glad we have such mature people on this site.

[Shaner]

So why don't you get the ownership transferred to yourself? It's an easy process.

Very true. It takes about 5 minutes and doesn't cost a penny. Your mom can give the car to you as a family gift and you don't have to pay any taxes on the vehicle. She can also give you the plates and the sticker can be advanced to your birthday.

[corrupt123]

Very true. It takes about 5 minutes and doesn't cost a penny. Your mom can give the car to you as a family gift and you don't have to pay any taxes on the vehicle. She can also give you the plates and the sticker can be advanced to your birthday.

You have to pay tax to register the car in your name, aswell, emissions, safety, bla bla bla. Putting your name on the paper is easy, but the rest is a hassle.

[Rehan]

You have to pay tax to register the car in your name, aswell, emissions, safety, bla bla bla. Putting your name on the paper is easy, but the rest is a hassle. No tax if you're transferring the ownership from a parent to a child. Safety cert may be an issue.

[ClubberLang]

the vehicle is in my mother's name for insurance purposes.

and I don't subscribe to the "if you have nothing to hide then the cops are free to ask" line of thinking. I would like to be able to drive without presumed suspicion. Asking who the car belongs to is one thing. Asking me if I am a criminal is an entirely different issue.

[Rehan]

the vehicle is in my mother's name for insurance purposes.

and I don't subscribe to the "if you have nothing to hide then the cops are free to ask" line of thinking. I would like to be able to drive without presumed suspicion. Asking who the car belongs to is one thing. Asking me if I am a criminal is an entirely different issue. I guess it's a good thing (for you) that the cop can't give you a ticket for lying to your insurance company. ;)

[curtis]

People would like many things. That doesn't mean it should happen. Asking questions like that are not a big deal. If he asks... so what?

the vehicle is in my mother's name for insurance purposes.

and I don't subscribe to the "if you have nothing to hide then the cops are free to ask" line of thinking. I would like to be able to drive without presumed suspicion. Asking who the car belongs to is one thing. Asking me if I am a criminal is an entirely different issue.

[soulflare]

I guess it's a good thing (for you) that the cop can't give you a ticket for lying to your insurance company. ;)

You don't have to own the car to be insured as its primary driver.

[Rehan]

You don't have to own the car to be insured as its primary driver. I believe the situation here is that ClubberLang's parents told the insurance company that his mother is the primary driver of the 1990 Civic that he drives around, so that they'll save on their insurance premium. If insurance cops were driving around stopping people, ClubberLang's family's auto insurance would maybe get cancelled.

[Flyer]

I suppose you get offended if they pull you over in one of those RIDE spotchecks and ask if you have been drinking...

[ClubberLang]

I suppose you get offended if they pull you over in one of those RIDE spotchecks and ask if you have been drinking...
no need to get personal :rolleyes:

Ride checks make sure drunk drivers don't kill people. I'm all for it.

What I am NOT for is a cop asking me if I am a criminal. I didn't like the accusation. I didn't come on here launching overzhealous criticisms of the cops. I simply asked if others had similar experiences. I've had good experiences with cops as well as bad ones. Being randomly stopped twice in a three week span leads to this thread.

[ClubberLang]

I believe the situation here is that ClubberLang's parents told the insurance company that his mother is the primary driver of the 1990 Civic that he drives around, so that they'll save on their insurance premium. If insurance cops were driving around stopping people, ClubberLang's family's auto insurance would maybe get cancelled.
They would have no grounds on which to accuse my mother of not being the primary driver. Like i said before, I am registered as a secondary driver on the insurance policy.

[sandie]

sounds like racial profiling if you ask me. don't know what you can do about it. i remember reading way back when that Cheif Blair is trying to ensure it doesn't happen but i haven't heard anything since.
i don't think there's anything you can do about it. you haven't really had your rights infringed to an extent where you would want to bring a court action. but hey, go to a legal aid office and see what they say. can't really hurt...especially if you're really offended and want something done. or you can write to Chief Blair with the names of the officer next time...but...not sure if you want the cops to hate ya...

[Rembrandt100]

I got pulled over while wardriving on the way home from the gym a few weeks ago and the piggy wanted to know what I was doing driving around with a laptop on. Luckily the guy seemed computer illiterate and didn't understand anything about wireless access points, netstumbler, and all the technobabble I tried to confuse him with. I guess there wasn't much action going on in the area that night and he was bored or somthing.


Is a video screen in the drivers line of vision not an infraction of the traffic code. It was mentioned last year after they caught a dude driving in High Park area looking for a wireless conection. He had kiddie porn on his computer and was only wearing his shirt and shoes AND driving with only one hand. ( the other hand was busy)

Dave

[Kasakato]

Is a video screen in the drivers line of vision not an infraction of the traffic code. It was mentioned last year after they caught a dude driving in High Park area looking for a wireless conection. He had kiddie porn on his computer and was only wearing his shirt and shoes AND driving with only one hand. ( the other hand was busy)

Dave
Not that I could fine:
http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/DBLaws/Statutes/English/90h08_e.htm

Many cars have GPS screens so I assume not.

[i6s1]

Probably it's just charged as driving without due care and attention.

[north77]

Yup, I've been pulled over a few times (in a span of a week) for driving a car that was registered to an someone much older and who's license was under suspension.

Winter:
The first time it happened it was amusing; it was quite late at night and in a 'tough' area of town. It was freezing outside and in the car, so I had my black toque on. I noticed that there was a police car parked on the side of the road, then pulled out as I passed. I got caught at a nearby red light..so they caught up and were right behind me. As the light turned green, they put the sirens on and pulled me over. I was wondering why the hell I was being pulled over.

They had run my plates, and realized that I didn't look as old as what the registration stated... and! The owner's license was under suspension. So they assumed the car was stolen by a young punk in a toque!

While looking in the rear view mirror, I was wondering WTF both officers were approaching the vehicle on either side, so slowly.... and had their hands on their holsters :-0

When I greeted them, they both relaxed a little... I guess they thought I was high risk! I was asked a few questions like you descibed, they checked my license, and the registration/insurance, and realized I was legit. I was advised by a grinning officer to 'be careful, and drive safe' and was on my merry way. ;) HAHA! I bet they had a laugh.

Though the very next day, at lunch... I got pulled over again! For the same reason. I was a bit flippant that time and handed the officer all my paperwork and explained before she could ask me more questions. :lol:

[Badger]

Very true. It takes about 5 minutes and doesn't cost a penny. Your mom can give the car to you as a family gift and you don't have to pay any taxes on the vehicle. She can also give you the plates and the sticker can be advanced to your birthday.

Insurance rates may be different if the ownership of the car is different.

[Cafe_333]

No tax if you're transferring the ownership from a parent to a child. Safety cert may be an issue.Really? Perhaps that rule might have changed recently... a couple of weeks ago a friend of mine requested to transfer her mother's car ownership to her name and they told her that it would have to be taxed. :confused:

[mtharvey]

which ethinic group is stealing all the cars? Racial profiling is fine.

[Rehan]

Really? Perhaps that rule might have changed recently... a couple of weeks ago a friend of mine requested to transfer her mother's car ownership to her name and they told her that it would have to be taxed. :confused: http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/used.htm
"Payment of retail sales tax is not required when a vehicle is a gift and is being transferred between close family members, which only includes a spouse, parent, step-parent, grand-parent, son, daughter, grandson, granddaughter, son-in-law, daughter-in-law, father-in-law or mother-in-law."

[Sonbuster]

So why don't you get the ownership transferred to yourself? It's an easy process.

insurance rates would skyrocket b/c he's a 24 yr old male.
and civic rates are known to be high for that age group.

[Shaner]

insurance rates would skyrocket b/c he's a 24 yr old male.
and civic rates are known to be high for that age group.

True, but if you spend your whole time as a secondary driver, once you hit 25, most insurance companies will treat you like you've never been insured before. The rates after you're 25 will be the same as if you were under 25 because they assume you haven't really driven much over the years and have little experience.

[spawnr]

which ethinic group is stealing all the cars? Racial profiling is fine.


I am sure you would not say that if you belonged to the ethnic group that is targeted all the time.

[Shaner]

I am sure you would not say that if you belonged to the ethnic group that is targeted all the time.

Facts are facts. People of certain races are involved in auto theft more often than other races. Just like young people steal more cars than old people.
Being a young person and taking offence to what I just said doesn't mean it's not true.

It's either true or not true, just because someone is offended by the comment doesn't make it any less true.

Now, I am not saying that justifies racial profiling, I'm just saying that a fact is a fact regardless of who is offended by it.

[shaolinmonk]

I've been randomly pulled over twice in the past three weeks. :mad: . Each time the officer has pulled me over because the car i drive (1990 civic hatchback) is registered in the name of an older woman (my 57 year old mom). I am a 24 year old male. THey ask me my relation to the owner, I provide them with insurance information, liscence ect.

THey also found it fit to ask me if I had any charges/pending court dates. The obvious answer was No. I have no experience with the police outside of my own. To others here, do the cops typically ask you if you have charges pending/court dates?

happens to me everytime i get pulled over.. at least 2x a year on average i'd say...usually minor speeding violations lol

3 months ago i was pulled over at least 3x in 1 month... only let off 2/3 times
everytime
each time same questions as the ones you got

[gman]

There are racial profile, age profile, clothes profile, hair style profile, driving style profile, car model profile, etc. It always happens.

[Shaner]

There are racial profile, age profile, clothes profile, hair style profile, driving style profile, car model profile, etc. It always happens.

Exactly, yet people only get offended when race is the factor being profiled. Why is race any different than age? People get profiled/discriminated against based on their age every day of their lives, yet few complain, and the ones who do complain are ignored.

Profiling is profiling is it not? Why is one tolerated but the other frowned upon?

[TotallyKiller]

They would have no grounds on which to accuse my mother of not being the primary driver. Like i said before, I am registered as a secondary driver on the insurance policy.



One comment to note about this - Remember, if you are stopped,or in an accident and you are a secondary driver, do not tell them that you were on your way to work or school. This invalidates the insurance for a secondary driver as you are not allowed to use the vehicle for school or emplyment.

Just thought I'd mention it.

[TotallyKiller]

True, but if you spend your whole time as a secondary driver, once you hit 25, most insurance companies will treat you like you've never been insured before. The rates after you're 25 will be the same as if you were under 25 because they assume you haven't really driven much over the years and have little experience.

In Alberta at least, the experience as a secondary driver is equal to that of the primary. As long as you don't have a whole in your record (a period where you were not insured as a driver) you will be subjected to the same rate as a fully insured driver of the same age. This was also the case in Ontario for me and I didn't find any difference between providers, which made me believe it was federally or provincially mandated.

[Shaner]

In Alberta at least, the experience as a secondary driver is equal to that of the primary. As long as you don't have a whole in your record (a period where you were not insured as a driver) you will be subjected to the same rate as a fully insured driver of the same age. This was also the case in Ontario for me and I didn't find any difference between providers, which made me believe it was federally or provincially mandated.

I know in Ontario, most insurance companies don't want to insure people who have been secondary drivers most of their lives. If they do insure them, they charge them out the arse.

[ClubberLang]

Exactly, yet people only get offended when race is the factor being profiled. Why is race any different than age? People get profiled/discriminated against based on their age every day of their lives, yet few complain, and the ones who do complain are ignored.

Profiling is profiling is it not? Why is one tolerated but the other frowned upon?

because it's pretty easy to see that the past several decades/centuries of human history have been plagued by a great deal of racial discrimination.there are constitutional protections that protect people from racial discrimination for that very reason. the same really doesn't apply to age. it should be obvious.

[curtis]

because it's pretty easy to see that the past several decades/centuries of human history have been plagued by a great deal of racial discrimination.there are constitutional protections that protect people from racial discrimination for that very reason. the same really doesn't apply to age. it should be obvious.

Sure it applies to age. You're looking at things too absolutely. Racial profiling is not racism. There are numbers behind this. The same goes with age. Young drivers are less experienced and more likely to be driving beyond their ability. Asian drivers are more likely to be driving a rice rocket (not that all do, or nobody else does). Kids dressing in baggy clothes are more likely to be shady (again, not all of them are, and not only criminals dress like that), but those are the numbers.

[ClubberLang]

Sure it applies to age. You're looking at things too absolutely. Racial profiling is not racism. There are numbers behind this. The same goes with age. Young drivers are less experienced and more likely to be driving beyond their ability. Asian drivers are more likely to be driving a rice rocket (not that all do, or nobody else does). Kids dressing in baggy clothes are more likely to be shady (again, not all of them are, and not only criminals dress like that), but those are the numbers.

we allow some forms of descrimination based on age because we as society agree that human beings pass through stages in which they acquire necessarry life experience. that's why minors can't vote or consume alcohol and tobacco. "Everyone" is a minor at some point in their life so in theory no one in particular is being discriminated against. Age is unique. Arguing that it is analagous to race implies that some races are to be treated as "adults" and others as "children". If that isn't racism then I don'w know what is.

I don't care what the "numbers" reveal. (lmao at the ridiculous assertion about baggy clothing) The Canadian CHarter of rights and Freedoms protects individuals from racial discrimination. If you think that you can selectively apply the charter based on "numbers" then you don't deserve the rights it hands out. Who (with even the slightest degree of knowledge of World history) would advocate giving the state the power to discriminate against a minority group for no other reason than the colour of their skin?You should be ashamed of yourself.
.

[simms]

we allow some forms of descrimination based on age because we as society agree that human beings pass through stages in which they acquire necessarry life experience. that's why minors can't vote or consume alcohol and tobacco. "Everyone" is a minor at some point in their life so in theory no one in particular is being discriminated against. Age is unique. Arguing that it is analagous to race implies that some races are to be treated as "adults" and others as "children". If that isn't racism then I don'w know what is.
.

I was just thinking about that.

[Piro21]

which ethinic group is stealing all the cars? Racial profiling is fine.

I don't know that one. Why don't you tell us? I'd assume in most of Canada it's white people though since Canada is as white as snow outside of the major cities.

[Capt.]

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/used.htm
"Payment of retail sales tax is not required when a vehicle is a gift and is being transferred between close family members, which only includes a spouse, parent, step-parent, grand-parent, son, daughter, grandson, granddaughter, son-in-law, daughter-in-law, father-in-law or mother-in-law."

Retail sales tax is not the only form of tax though. I believe there would still be income tax. Something about the person giving the car is deemed to have disposed of the vehicle at fair market value. The person receiving the car will have to report this value as a capital gain and it will included in their yearly income. Taxable capital gain will be 50% of this value.

[Shaner]

Retail sales tax is not the only form of tax though. I believe there would still be income tax. Something about being deemed to have disposed of the vehicle at fair market value so they have to report a capital gain.

No, there is no tax of any kind on a car being given as a family gift. There is no provincial, municipal or federal tax of any kind!!!

[Slippery_Pete]

Retail sales tax is not the only form of tax though. I believe there would still be income tax. Something about being deemed to have disposed of the vehicle at fair market value so they have to report a capital gain.

Why the hell should anyone have to pay capital gains tax on an object that almost always sells for less than the original purchase price, ie NO capital gain. If anything you should be able to claim a capital LOSS, but you can't.

[Capt.]

I edited my post to make it more clear. The person receiving the car has to report it as income. For example, if they receive a car that is worth $5000, the will have a taxable capital gain of $2500.

I'm about 85% sure of this.

[Slippery_Pete]

No, there is no tax of any kind on a car being given as a family gift. There is no provincial, municipal or federal tax of any kind!!!

I can vouch for that first hand, in Ontario anyhow. I did have to get a letter notarized stating that the car was a gift and no money was passing hands. I also had to get emissions and a safety done.

[Shaner]

I edited my post to make it more clear. The person receiving the car has to report it as income. For example, if they receive a car that is worth $5000, the will have a taxable capital gain of $2500.

I'm about 85% sure of this.

I am 100% sure you are wrong.
I have already done this process in the past and so has my ex-girlfriend. It's just as it sounds, a completely free gift (minus the safety and e-test). There is no catch on this one.

[Capt.]

Did you talk to an accountant when you transferred the ownership of the car? Just because you did it without including it in your yearly income does not mean you don't have to. Have you been audited by the CRA since you did it?

[Shaner]

Did you talk to an accountant when you transferred the ownership of the car? Just because you did it without including it in your yearly income does not mean you don't have to. Have you been audited by the CRA since you did it?

Why are you so hell bent on arguing this? Rehan posted the official government documentation as it pertains to giving a vehicle as a gift, and yet you are still hell bent on believing that tax must be paid.

I have never heard of a car being counted as income.

[Capt.]

I'm not hell bent, I just want to know the official rules. Rehan's link did not mention anything about income and income tax. It only referred to retail sales tax.

"A non-arm's length disposition of capital property such as a rental property, for example a transfer to a child, is deemed to take place at fair market value for Canadian Income Tax purposes. If you transfer property that has appreciated in value you will have to report a capital gain of fair market value less cost"

http://www.taxpage.com/topten.htm

Be careful what advice you give on forums :lol:

[Shaner]

I'm not hell bent, I just want to know the official rules. Rehan's link did not mention anything about income and income tax. It only referred to retail sales tax.

"A non-arm's length disposition of capital property such as a rental property, for example a transfer to a child, is deemed to take place at fair market value for Canadian Income Tax purposes. If you transfer property that has appreciated in value you will have to report a capital gain of fair market value less cost"

http://www.taxpage.com/topten.htm

Be careful what advice you give on forums :lol:

Since when do cars appreciate in value???
If you want to get technical then perhaps a classic in mint condition might appreciate, but we're not being technical in this thread, we're being realistic.
A mother giving her son a car is a free gift, there are no taxes involved.
I have been through the process, my ex-gf has been through the process, another RFDer has admitted to being through the process and Rehan has posted the official rules.
I can't imagine a car being considered as income.

[g5cubed]

Last week, me and my friend were driving. He wasn't supposed to be driving the car, but we were in a hurry and so he used a car with expired tags. Well, when we were driving, we merged onto a road and beside us was a cop, and he without even looking at our license pulled us over. To me it was definitely racial profiling as both of us were minorities, could he perhaps use that to fight in court, because I feel bad that I allowed him to even drive.

Edit: I just read my post, and realized how stupid it was, please disregard.

[Shaner]

Last week, me and my friend were driving. He wasn't supposed to be driving the car, but we were in a hurry and so he used a car with expired tags. Well, when we were driving, we merged onto a road and beside us was a cop, and he without even looking at our license pulled us over. To me it was definitely racial profiling as both of us were minorities, could he perhaps use that to fight in court, because I feel bad that I allowed him to even drive.

This is what is wrong with this country. Every time a non-white man gets pulled over, he screams racism or racial profiling.
I've been pulled over many times in the past where the cop pulled me over before looking at my license plate.
Cops pull people over for a lot of different reasons, one of the biggest ones is just to check up on people who are out and about.
The biggest source of arrests is through traffic stops. Cops often make routine traffic stops and find drugs, booze, weapons, outstanding warrants, etc.

Routine traffic stops is the best tool a cop has.

You have no idea why you were pulled over, so stop whining.

[ClubberLang]

This is what is wrong with this country. Every time a non-white man gets pulled over, he screams racism or racial profiling.
I've been pulled over many times in the past where the cop pulled me over before looking at my license plate.
Cops pull people over for a lot of different reasons, one of the biggest ones is just to check up on people who are out and about.
The biggest source of arrests is through traffic stops. Cops often make routine traffic stops and find drugs, booze, weapons, outstanding warrants, etc.

Routine traffic stops is the best tool a cop has.

You have no idea why you were pulled over, so stop whining.

Before you go launching false accusations learn to READ WORDS.

Did I "scream racism" @ anywhere in this thread? I asked if anyone had similar experiences. What's "wrong with this country" is people like you.

[cwb27]

Before you go launching false accusations learn to READ WORDS.

Did I "scream racism" @ anywhere in this thread? I asked if anyone had similar experiences. What's "wrong with this country" is people like you.


How does anything Shaner said make him the cause of wrong doing in this country?

[ClubberLang]

How does anything Shaner said make him the cause of wrong doing in this country?

he's the one that made sweeping generalizations when he said
Every time a non-white man gets pulled over, he screams racism or racial profiling. .

He also made a clear argument in favour of racial profiling. Something that is both unconstitutional and illegal.

[tkl]

no need to get personal :rolleyes:

Ride checks make sure drunk drivers don't kill people. I'm all for it.

What I am NOT for is a cop asking me if I am a criminal. I didn't like the accusation. I didn't come on here launching overzhealous criticisms of the cops. I simply asked if others had similar experiences. I've had good experiences with cops as well as bad ones. Being randomly stopped twice in a three week span leads to this thread.

When a plate is run on CPIC (Cdn Police Info Centre), the record shows in chronological order who ran it and when and why in the remarks field. If an officer pulls you over, most of the time the plate has been checked in the computer by that officer already. If the officer sees a vehicle has been run multiple times then he/she may become suspicious as WHY. For example, a robbery suspect veh would be checked multiple times and stay in the system for a stated period of time.

Getting back to your "issue". Say you were a suspended driver or were on charges and had various conditions, a previous officer could have check on you vehicle already and may have issued a summons, charged you, etc , already. If you were the same driver who drove this same vehicle a few days ago then you may have violated certain conditions. He askes you because you may not be the registered owner of the vehicle as you were not in this case. He will also check your info against any wants/warrants anyways. You did not match the registered info's profile so be happy the officer wants to clarify things and make sure that the vehicle is being driven by an authorized driver.

[Capt.]

Since when do cars appreciate in value???

Go back and read the first sentence again. It doesn't matter if the "capital property" has appreciated or depreciated. The first sentence is what I talking about.

[Happy13178]

I've been pulled over by a visible minority police officer before and asked these questions for no reason before....should I assume its racist because I'm white?

[bubble.tea]

I think it's how Poker players ask the counter better how much money they have left. It's a read. Cop wants to get a read on your anxiety meter :D.

Next time, answer them with "seven hundred thousand" :lol:

[Happy13178]

1. Get bottle of whiskey.

2. Pour said bottle all over yourself until desired smell acheived.

3. Get in car, drive around until you get pulled over.

4. Blow breathalyzer.

5. Pass with flying colours.

6. Victory dance around puzzled officer.

Repeat as necessary.

[ClubberLang]

I've been pulled over by a visible minority police officer before and asked these questions for no reason before....should I assume its racist because I'm white?
gimme a break. there is no history of visible minority police officers discriminating against white drivers. The same does not apply in the reverse. Trying to substitute race in a situation like this is just ignorant.


On top of that I "assumed" nothing. I asked a question to try to build an opinion. I have no idea why so many people in this thread have accused me of jumping to any conclusions.

[Flyer]

1. Get bottle of whiskey.

2. Pour said bottle all over yourself until desired smell acheived.

3. Get in car, drive around until you get pulled over.

4. Blow breathalyzer.

5. Pass with flying colours.

6. Victory dance around puzzled officer.

Repeat as necessary.
Waste of alcohol...

[Happy13178]

gimme a break. there is no history of visible minority police officers discriminating against white drivers. The same does not apply in the reverse. Trying to substitute race in a situation like this is just ignorant.

On top of that I "assumed" nothing. I asked a question to try to build an opinion. I have no idea why so many people in this thread have accused me of jumping to any conclusions.

I've had reverse racism happen to me plenty of times. Because it's reverse makes it unimportant? Or because I haven't gone through it all my life, every day? And people have accused you of jumping to conclusions because in several threads in the past you've done the exact same thing. If there's racism mentioned, odds are you're throwing in your .02.

[ClubberLang]

I've had reverse racism happen to me plenty of times. Because it's reverse makes it unimportant? Or because I haven't gone through it all my life, every day?

I never implied that it was "unimportant" the point i made is that its
A:unlikely. There has been no evidence ever provided of systematic discrimination by visible minority cops against whites. In fact, there is a wide underrepresentaiton of visible minorities in the police force.
B- as a white male, and member of the privledged majority the chances of this happening are minimal, and is really just an attempt to distract from a real problem.




And people have accused you of jumping to conclusions because in several threads in the past you've done the exact same thing. If there's racism mentioned, odds are you're throwing in your .02.
What "same thing"? THis thread was posed as a question. I deliberately set out to ask about the experience of other folks with the police in order to form an opinion. I declined to answer direct questions about my race and the area in which i was stopped. I only included my age. What is noteworthy is how quickly you(and others) are ready to toss the "whiney minority" accusation at me simply because I asked a question. It really says alot more about you than me.


and if racism is mentioned, damb right I'm throwing my two cents in. I'm not going to apologize for it.

[shaolinmonk]

so clubberlang.. do you feel like you were treated unfairly?

[balou911]

Try riding around with freinds who do have charges pending.

yeah frisk search.

damn drunkin bar fights.

[ClubberLang]

When a plate is run on CPIC (Cdn Police Info Centre), the record shows in chronological order who ran it and when and why in the remarks field. If an officer pulls you over, most of the time the plate has been checked in the computer by that officer already. If the officer sees a vehicle has been run multiple times then he/she may become suspicious as WHY. For example, a robbery suspect veh would be checked multiple times and stay in the system for a stated period of time.

Getting back to your "issue". Say you were a suspended driver or were on charges and had various conditions, a previous officer could have check on you vehicle already and may have issued a summons, charged you, etc , already. If you were the same driver who drove this same vehicle a few days ago then you may have violated certain conditions. He askes you because you may not be the registered owner of the vehicle as you were not in this case. He will also check your info against any wants/warrants anyways. You did not match the registered info's profile so be happy the officer wants to clarify things and make sure that the vehicle is being driven by an authorized driver.

This post provided a reasonable explanation for why I would be stopped this frequently. If this is the procedure that was applied, then I don't feel I was treated unfairly.

[ClubberLang]

**UPDATE**
So on Tuesday night I let a friend of mine borrow the same car. He had to pick up his sister from the family buisness that he owns. On the way back he was pulled over and questioned randomly. He was following all the rules of the road. They asked him why he had the car. He explained that he was borrowing it from a friend. He does have a criminal record (will be able to apply for a pardon in a few months). They made him exist the car and performed a full search. They eveuntually let him go and told him that there were "no hard feelings". Honda Civics get stolen often and they were just checking things out.

I distinctly remember having a 5 dollar bill under my car seat. I keep it there for emergencies. It's no longer there. Three random stops in a six week period. These aren't ride checks either. Just cops who decided to pull over black males because their descriptions did not match the name of the vehicle owner. The **cksmokers also stote my five bucks.

[x86asm]

**UPDATE**
So on Tuesday night I let a friend of mine borrow the same car. He had to pick up his sister from the family buisness that he owns. On the way back he was pulled over and questioned randomly. He was following all the rules of the road. They asked him why he had the car. He explained that he was borrowing it from a friend. He does have a criminal record (will be able to apply for a pardon in a few months). They made him exist the car and performed a full search. They eveuntually let him go and told him that there were "no hard feelings". Honda Civics get stolen often and they were just checking things out.

I distinctly remember having a 5 dollar bill under my car seat. I keep it there for emergencies. It's no longer there. Three random stops in a six week period. These aren't ride checks either. Just cops who decided to pull over black males because their descriptions did not match the name of the vehicle owner. The **cksmokers also stote my five bucks.

The cop stole your $5? damn..

[aingaran]

How do you know your friend didn't take the $5 bill?

[ClubberLang]

How do you know your friend didn't take the $5 bill?

He's been my best friend for 18 years. gimme a break.

[jayisthebest88]

Nope, cops never ask that....


It's because your black, and jsut another example of the white man thats out to get you.....

If you dont get a job..its because the owner is white..


If you dont win the lottery, its becuase the ppl picking the numbers are white

If your computer fails you...its because the person that made your comp is white....



they're all out to get you!

[curtis]

He's not one of the master's students, I hope.

He's been my best friend for 18 years. gimme a break.

[ClubberLang]

Nope, cops never ask that....


It's because your black, and jsut another example of the white man thats out to get you.....

If you dont get a job..its because the owner is white..


If you dont win the lottery, its becuase the ppl picking the numbers are white

If your computer fails you...its because the person that made your comp is white....



they're all out to get you!
you're an ass. i have a job and my computer is working fine. why not abandon the sarcasm and address the fact that 3 random stops in a 6 week period seems like far more than a coincidince.

[cwb27]

Yeah, like a cop is gonna take your 5 bucks..... That I don't believe.... I have a hard time taking you seriously in that you believe the cop swiped your money... C'mon now...

Out of curiosty, what sort of vehicle do you drive? Any modifications/changes that make it stand out or be able to be easily recognized?

[x86asm]

Nope, cops never ask that....


It's because your black, and jsut another example of the white man thats out to get you.....

If you dont get a job..its because the owner is white..


If you dont win the lottery, its becuase the ppl picking the numbers are white

If your computer fails you...its because the person that made your comp is white....

they're all out to get you!
:|

[jayisthebest88]

you're an ass. i have a job and my computer is working fine. why not abandon the sarcasm and address the fact that 3 random stops in a 6 week period seems like far more than a coincidince.

you keep saying that you never accused the cops of racial profiling..but at the end of your first post..you subtley mention that your black...Now whats the point of mentioning your black if thats not an issue? Obviously you think the cops are pulling you over because your black.....whici is probablyn ot the case...

[ClubberLang]

you keep saying that you never accused the cops of racial profiling..but at the end of your first post..you subtley mention that your black...Now whats the point of mentioning your black if thats not an issue? Obviously you think the cops are pulling you over because your black.....whici is probablyn ot the case...

Can you read? The "black" part was part of the edit. When I made this thread a couple weeks ago I made no mention of my race. I lent my buddy my car, who happened to be of the same "race" and magically the same result occurred. I kept an open mind, asked for other opinions. But again, 3 stops in 6 weeks is hard to dismiss as police "just doing their jobs". How many people in Toronto here drive cars on which their name does not appear on the ownership. If cops were to stop everyone that didn't fit the discription of the owner then they'd be really busy. I guess they chose "strategically"

[ClubberLang]

Yeah, like a cop is gonna take your 5 bucks..... That I don't believe.... I have a hard time taking you seriously in that you believe the cop swiped your money... C'mon now...

Out of curiosty, what sort of vehicle do you drive? Any modifications/changes that make it stand out or be able to be easily recognized?

it's a 1990 black honda civic dx hatch with visible rust. No tints. No stereo. No mods other than a "fartpipe" exhaust that the previous owner had installed.

As for the $5 what the hell else am I to presume? It was under the car seat. The cops seached the vehicle(which I presume included under the car seat). It's not there now.

[jayisthebest88]

Can you read? The "black" part was part of the edit. When I made this thread a couple weeks ago I made no mention of my race. I lent my buddy my car, who happened to be of the same "race" and magically the same result occurred. I kept an open mind, asked for other opinions. But again, 3 stops in 6 weeks is hard to dismiss as police "just doing their jobs". How many people in Toronto here drive cars on which their name does not appear on the ownership. If cops were to stop everyone that didn't fit the discription of the owner then they'd be really busy. I guess they chose "strategically"

Obviously, I can read, the literacy rate in Canada is like 99% I think, and I am "typing" in my "responses" so that means I can "read" , You kept your "open-mindedness" in the beginning, but it was still in the "back of your head", no? 3 stops in 6 weeks is excessive, but the fact that you labled the thread" is this normal" implies that you were "sort of" leaning towards that he was pulling you over because your "black". If you didn't make your "update" then ppl would say " no thats not normal" and then instead of thining it is a "coincidence", you would have probably thought the cop was being "racist" . The fact that you amde the little "update" supports the theory that you were thinking of racism , becasue you wanted to show , that they even pulled over another guy that was the same "race" as you.

[ClubberLang]

Obviously, I can read, the literacy rate in Canada is like 99% I think, and I am "typing" in my "responses" so that means I can "read" , You kept your "open-mindedness" in the beginning, but it was still in the "back of your head", no? 3 stops in 6 weeks is excessive, but the fact that you labled the thread" is this normal" implies that you were "sort of" leaning towards that he was pulling you over because your "black". If you didn't make your "update" then ppl would say " no thats not normal" and then instead of thining it is a "coincidence", you would have probably thought the cop was being "racist" . The fact that you amde the little "update" supports the theory that you were thinking of racism , becasue you wanted to show , that they even pulled over another guy that was the same "race" as you.

Three cheers for captain obvious. The point is I didn't prematurely accuse the cops of pulling me over because I was black. I asked people to share their experiences in order to form an opinion. You, and others, have decided to throw the label of "hypersensitive/whiny darkie" at me simply for questioning police procedure. That says more about you than me.

[jayisthebest88]

Three cheers for captain obvious. The point is I didn't prematurely accuse the cops of pulling me over because I was black. I asked people to share their experiences in order to form an opinion. You, and others, have decided to throw the label of "hypersensitive/whiny darkie" at me simply for questioning police procedure. That says more about you than me.

O yeah, because if ppl dont agree with you, then we are just accusing you of being a whiny/hypersensitive darkie....

You have called me an ass, illiterate, and captain obvious, and you accuse me of thinking of you as a "hypersentiive/whiny darkie" and all I did was state my own opinion, If u noticed, this is the way I regularly post..im not labeling u with anything, you are just digging yourself into a deeper hole....


Maybe I am digging myself into a deeper hole too? U see we are jst ppl , we are the same.

[superdeals]

Obviously, I can read, the literacy rate in Canada is like 99% I think, and I am "typing" in my "responses" so that means I can "read" , You kept your "open-mindedness" in the beginning, but it was still in the "back of your head", no? 3 stops in 6 weeks is excessive, but the fact that you labled the thread" is this normal" implies that you were "sort of" leaning towards that he was pulling you over because your "black". If you didn't make your "update" then ppl would say " no thats not normal" and then instead of thining it is a "coincidence", you would have probably thought the cop was being "racist" . The fact that you amde the little "update" supports the theory that you were thinking of racism , becasue you wanted to show , that they even pulled over another guy that was the same "race" as you.
Are you some kind of ******? You 'assume' some connotation in some writing and then start to apply your 'theory' on that? Just stop all these nonsense! Spammers!! :mad:

[jayisthebest88]

Are you some kind of ******? You 'assume' some connotation in some writing and then start to apply your 'theory' on that? Just stop all these nonsense! Spammers!! :mad:

:lol:


I might be ********......but I hope u get some sort of ban for that comment, that was just rude.......

[ClubberLang]

Nope, cops never ask that....


It's because your black, and jsut another example of the white man thats out to get you.....

If you dont get a job..its because the owner is white..


If you dont win the lottery, its becuase the ppl picking the numbers are white

If your computer fails you...its because the person that made your comp is white....



they're all out to get you!
This is the first "contribution" you make to this thread. You pretty much made your position clear.


My purpose in making this thread was not to convince you, or anyone else for that matter, of anything. I was trying to get some peace of mind, conduct an infformal survey and develop an informed opinion on what happened.

[jayisthebest88]

This is the first "contribution" you make to this thread. You pretty much made your position clear.


My purpose in making this thread was not to convince you, or anyone else for that matter, of anything. I was trying to get some peace of mind, conduct an infformal survey and develop an informed opinion on what happened.


Thank you for pointing out that was my first post, "captain obvious".

what kind of peice of mind are u looking for...what was the ultimate conclusion you were looking for? what is a "informed opinion" to you, would u liek it if we all agreed that the cops were being racist and feel sorry for you? You are basing your opinion on my post, so whats wrong with me basing my opinion on your post??

[15-20_God]

Three random stops in a six week period. These aren't ride checks either. Just cops who decided to pull over black males because their descriptions did not match the name of the vehicle owner.

i've got you beat, in my heyday I've been stopped randomly 3 times in a span of 4 weeks. and guess what? i'm not black. what will you assume from that?

i will assume that black ppl have it good. and i've never been able to dunk over a black guy, what's up with that?

[chickenbones]

I've been randomly pulled over twice in the past three weeks. :mad: . Each time the officer has pulled me over because the car i drive (1990 civic hatchback) is registered in the name of an older woman (my 57 year old mom). I am a 24 year old male. THey ask me my relation to the owner, I provide them with insurance information, liscence ect.

THey also found it fit to ask me if I had any charges/pending court dates. The obvious answer was No. I have no experience with the police outside of my own. To others here, do the cops typically ask you if you have charges pending/court dates?

**UPDATE**
So on Tuesday night I let a friend of mine borrow the same car. He had to pick up his sister from the family buisness that he owns. On the way back he was pulled over and questioned randomly. He was following all the rules of the road. They asked him why he had the car. He explained that he was borrowing it from a friend. He does have a criminal record (will be able to apply for a pardon in a few months). They made him exist the car and performed a full search. They eveuntually let him go and told him that there were "no hard feelings"

I distinctly remember having a 5 dollar bill under my car seat. I keep it there for emergencies. It's no longer there. Three random stops in a six week period. These aren't ride checks either. Just cops who decided to pull over black males because their descriptions did not match the name of the vehicle owner.

Why is it an automatic "racist" thing when black ppl are pulled over? You drive the most stolen car in north america registered to a 57 year old lady. Stop cheating your insurance company and register it under your own name, then we'll see if you still get pulled over randomly.

[graphite]

ClubberLang:This is the first "contribution" you make to this thread. You pretty much made your position clear.


My purpose in making this thread was not to convince you, or anyone else for that matter, of anything. I was trying to get some peace of mind, conduct an infformal survey and develop an informed opinion on what happened.

Hey man, because of you, I just read an entire post on a subject i am not even interested into. You didn't even had to say you are a black guy at the beginning of your post, because it was clear as daylight, at least for me. Now i've been reading this whole thread for half an hour now to see if you can wake up and realise what most of the users here are trying to say to you, in a more or less obvious way.

You are saying that you want opinions and "peace of mind" which i think is bull****, because after the first opinions you received you started calling people names and blabber about some stupid philosophical theories of yours. I can understand that you see yourself overwhelmingly smart and alone in this world, and you feel the need to show it to us, respectless ordinary joes, what the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, the words behind "edit" and the "reading of words" means. But please if you are not satisfied with the answers, stop insulting people and take a better look upon your stories and accusations. I don't think you understand half of the meanings you've put between those lines.

And further more...what is the big deal? Being stopped 3 times in a 6 week period. Wow...that's gruesome! When i shaved my head and i put on a "cool" pair of sun glasses, i've been stopped 3 times in a day, let alone that every time they kept me for 10 minutes for "checks". But you know what, before i shaved my head i knew something like this is going to happen. That's because most of the kids with their heads shaved are in prison, juvi or have a lot of offences. How do they know that? It's called psychology-sociology. Read some Freud. And there are theories of this science that say a certain group of people will behave in a certain way in a certain enviroment. It's our behaviour, which is known, documented and acted upon. It's not racism and any other thing.

I am sorry to break the news, but as far as i can see on teevee, only black dudes end up shooting others and stealing cars from old ladies. If i see a guy that dresses the same as the last guy that mugged me i will suppose that this guy has the same hobby. And that's not because he's black, but because of his clothes and his attitude. Of course....you don't judge somebody by the appeareance, but i tend to believe that is impossible not to observe somebody who dresses especially for attention. As i also knew that i've been mugged 4 times in my life in Canada, and only by black guys, and my car was broken into twice. What should i say about that ? I've been in Canada for 10 months by know.

So...now i am going to go to LegalAid and sue the whole Police force because they thought i was a punk kid, with a stolen car? And that affected my self respect in such a manner that at this moment i feel that i have no more peace of mind and the whole world has nothing else to think about than my shaved head and my shady glasses! And i know why...!! It's because the guy at the dispatch is a black guy and he works hand in hand with the other black guy managing the databases ! And above that he is not aware of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, let alone the Bill of Rights from the U.S.!!

That is sarcasm in case you would like to comment upon it. If you understand what i am saying, it would be great! If not, i'll just not die and go ahead with my life, as my creditors, bank, insurance, and the Kwik-E-Mart doesn't care about my frustrations.

I've written this because i believe you've gone to far with the accusations, and the next time you would like to reply and you expect some respect from the others, please lower your level, lower your tone, read the other posts with more attention, and try and change your attitude towards the others. I can't believe nobody told you anything until now.!!!

I am sorry if my english is not as elevated and cultured as yours, but i've been here for only 10 months, and i don't get too much reading. I think the guys at the Public Library hate me coz' i am shaved. (Disrespectfull grunt)

[bmwmini]

So why don't you get the ownership transferred to yourself? It's an easy process.

Because then he'd have to pay more insurance.

[bmwmini]

ClubberLang:

Hey man, because of you, I just read an entire post on a subject i am not even interested into. You didn't even had to say you are a black guy at the beginning of your post, because it was clear as daylight, at least for me. Now i've been reading this whole thread for half an hour now to see if you can wake up and realise what most of the users here are trying to say to you, in a more or less obvious way. You are saying that you want opinions and "peace of mind" which i think is bull****, because after the first opinions you received you started calling people names and blabber about some stupid philosophical theories of yours. I can understand that you see yourself overwhelmingly smart and alone in this world, and you feel the need to show it to us, respectless ordinary joes, what the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, the words behind "edit" and the "reading of words" means. But please if you are not satisfied with the answers, stop insulting people and take a better look upon your stories and accusations. I don't think you understand half of the meanings you've put between those lines. And further more...what is the big deal? Being stopped 3 times in a 6 week period. Wow...that's gruesome! When i shaved my head and i put on a "cool" pair of sun glasses, i've been stopped 3 times in a day, let alone that every time they kept me for 10 minutes for "checks". But you know what, before i shaved my head i knew something like this is going to happen. That's because most of the kids with their heads shaved are in prison, juvi or have a lot of offences. How do they know that? It's called psychology-sociology. Read some Freud. And there are theories of this science that say a certain group of people will behave in a certain way in a certain enviroment. It's our behaviour, which is known, documented and acted upon. It's not racism and any other thing. I am sorry to break the news, but as far as i can see on teevee, only black dudes end up shooting others and stealing cars from old ladies. If i see a guy that dresses the same as the last guy that mugged me i will suppose that this guy has the same hobby. And that's not because he's black, but because of his clothes and his attitude. Of course....you don't judge somebody by the appeareance, but i tend to believe that is impossible not to observe somebody who dresses especially for attention. As i also knew that i've been mugged 4 times in my life in Canada, and only by black guys, and my car was braken into twice. What should i say about that ? I've been in Canada for 10 months by know. So...now i am going to go to LegalAid and sue the whole Police force because they thought i was a punk kid, with a stolen car? And that affected my self respect in such a manner that at this moment i feel that i have no more peace of mind and the whole world has nothing else to think about than my shaved head and my shady glasses! And i know why...!! It's because the guy at the dispatch is a black guy and he works hand in hand with the other black guy managing the databases ! And above that he is not aware of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, let alone the Bill of Rights from the U.S.!!
That is sarcasm in case you would like to comment upon it. If you understand what i am saying, it would be great! If not, i'll just not die and go ahead with my life, as my creditors, bank, insurance, and the Kwik-E-Mart doesn't care about my frustrations.
I've written this because i believe you've gone to far with the accusations, and the next time you would like to reply and you expect some respect from the others, please lower your level, lower your tone, read the other posts with more attention, and try and change your attitude towards the others. I can't believe nobody told you anything until now.!!!
I am sorry if my english is not as elevated and cultured as yours, but i've been here for only 10 months, and i don't get too much reading. I think the guys at the Public Library hate me coz' i am shaved. (Disrespectfull grunt)


I guarantee 100% of thread viewers won't read this. For the love of God, use paragraphs :confused: :confused:

[bottomfeeder]

I got pulled over while wardriving on the way home from the gym a few weeks ago and the piggy wanted to know what I was doing driving around with a laptop on. Luckily the guy seemed computer illiterate and didn't understand anything about wireless access points, netstumbler, and all the technobabble I tried to confuse him with. I guess there wasn't much action going on in the area that night and he was bored or somthing.

Isn't wardriving and using other peoples wi-fi illegal?

[beerbaron105]

put the car in your name like most honest people and presto! no more hassle!

but instead you complain because your insurance fraud (by putting your mother as the owner of the vehicle to save some bucks) is resulting in your being pulled over and questioned because you are not a 57 yr old person - suck it up or do it the right way.

[JohnB]

So what, youre a black man driving the number one stolen whip in NorthAmerica...thats life.

About the court date and pending trial thing...its not that bad really. I was pulled over in a borrowed 2006 Jaguar XJ, and the officer asked me the exact same thing, he said since I was clean with no prior history he'd let me off...

And I was going 5KM OVER THE SPEED LIMIT, right in front of my house. And I am a whitey :)

I think its just bad luck, not because youre black. Asians complain, muslims complain, white people like me complain, pretty women complain they get pulled over cause the cop wants to flirt with them, everyone complains...

[TrevorK]

Just cops who decided to pull over black males because their descriptions did not match the name of the vehicle owner.

I'm glad the cops are pulling over people who's descriptions do not match the registered owner of the vehicle.

Generally speaking, it's the registered owner who drives it the majority of the time. When it comes to a car, like a Civic, that is commonly stolen, I wouldn't think it out of the ordinary to stop people who are obviously not the registered owner.

[vrus]

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[farooq7]

I got pulled over while wardriving on the way home from the gym a few weeks ago and the piggy wanted to know what I was doing driving around with a laptop on. Luckily the guy seemed computer illiterate and didn't understand anything about wireless access points, netstumbler, and all the technobabble I tried to confuse him with. I guess there wasn't much action going on in the area that night and he was bored or somthing.

Why do people refer too Police officers as that? They protect and serve the public atleast show some respect for them.