NK to retaliate with an "annihilating strike and a nuclear war" from any US attack

[Allen84]

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2006/07/03/1665935-ap.html

World War III is fast approaching.........




will the Middle east & North Korea ally? vs. USA & any allies that decide to help protect US

[asim99]

well, he ain't gonna get attention...
bush is too obssessed with a country that is 'planning' to get nuclear capabilities, to focus on a country with real nuclear weapons

[Ojam]

North Korea will respond to any pre-emptive U.S. military attack with an "annihilating strike and a nuclear war,"

It says "attack" not threat.

[Allen84]

North Korea will respond to any pre-emptive U.S. military attack with an "annihilating strike and a nuclear war,"

It says "attack" not threat.

fixed

[Ojam]

fixed

:)

[MrWizard]

Wonderful, let's hope the dumbasses don't get us all killed...

[[Ned]]

They'll be serving North Koreans at a restaurant near you.

jk

[HoTiCE_]

boo hoo...

People get nervous because NK has 1 missile that probably takes a couple of hours to reach North America while the US has 3847238942389423 missiles that could take out NK in less then 5 minutes.

Plus the NK missile is so old it's probably going to miss its intended target and land on Mexico or something, that is if Bush doesn't shoot it down first from the comfort of his Texas ranch with his Nintendo Joystick

[atforum]

']They'll be serving North Koreans at a restaurant near you.

jk
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infact we will all be fried if there is a nuclear war

[ElChico]

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infact we will all be fried if there is a nuclear war

I'm fairly confident that NK missles won't be able to reach North America with any accuracy. The targets would most likely be American Bases in South Korea, Japan, and Taiwan.

[Evil Baby]

North Korea is in a position to do a lot of damage to the world economy. They could hit Japan(2nd largest economy), possibly the U.S., the worlds largest economy or China the worlds fastests growing economy. That'll hurt everybody.

[ElChico]

North Korea is in a position to do a lot of damage to the world economy. They could hit Japan(2nd largest economy), possibly the U.S., the worlds largest economy or China the worlds fastests growing economy. That'll hurt everybody.

They won't attack China, they're the closest thing to a friend they have.

[Evil Baby]

They won't attack China, they're the closest thing to a friend they have.


True, but it is an awful lot of power to hold

edit: I think if they were to fire any nuclear weapon at any country, China would have no choice buy to invade and control North Korea

[M@rk]

True, but it is an awful lot of power to hold

edit: I think if they were to fire any nuclear weapon at any country, China would have no choice buy to invade and control North Korea

Yeah, that's why I'm not too worried about NK. NK doesn't have too many real allies... a threat of WWIII will only come if different countries take different sides, but I don't see how this will happen with NK. One US submarine has enough nuclear firepower to cripple the entire country.

[gqbluez]

I think you guys aren't giving enough credit to North Korea. Rogue states are just that. Rogue. Meaning that they dont play by international rules. Their threats are very real and should be heeded. Kim Jong Il probably doesnt care much about Pyong Yang as most of North Korea is rural anyways. Very few urban centers and Bush, should he choose to "retaliate" would not be able to accurately fire a missel from NORAD to North Korea and get KJI anyways.

Next on my point is the North Korean army is huge. The expenditure based on percentage of GDP is staggaring. The amount of money KJI pours into the military program would be enough to feed a good number of his starving people. That said, the army may be outdated and old in the sense that they are still firing weapons designed during the soviet union era but make no mistake about it they wont go down as easily as Iraq did.

The Mutually Assured Destruction clause would come into effect here and Bush would not likely retaliate with nuclear attacks on North Korea due to the fact that one of the US's largest allies, South Korea, is sitting right next to North Korea. The fallout of a nuclear strike caused by the US would almost instantly create havoc for northern parts of China, Japan, and lest we forget South Korea.

Unfortunatly for the US, the DPRK is sitting in a very favorable zone and they know full well that the US will exhaust every means possible before stricking a nuclear attack on them.

[Flyer]

Are the missiles filled with pretzels?

[eelfliw]

Yawn! The media is out of interesting news to print on this holiday weekend.

[Paranoidandroid]

boo hoo...

People get nervous because NK has 1 missile that probably takes a couple of hours to reach North America while the US has 3847238942389423 missiles that could take out NK in less then 5 minutes.


North Korea has several, but all it takes is one...

[poedua]

I think you guys aren't giving enough credit to North Korea. Rogue states are just that. Rogue. Meaning that they dont play by international rules. Their threats are very real and should be heeded. Kim Jong Il probably doesnt care much about Pyong Yang as most of North Korea is rural anyways. Very few urban centers and Bush, should he choose to "retaliate" would not be able to accurately fire a missel from NORAD to North Korea and get KJI anyways.

There is no need to heed N. Korea - they are simply engaging in brinkmanship. Their goal is to try and salvage their country from economic ruin, and the only way to do that is to draw attention to themselves and attempt some form of internationl intervention ( in the guise of trying to secure peace ) by hopefully drawing in China as a peace broker against the US & Japan. N. Korea has clear " salvation " & " survival " goals in mind behind this brinkmanship...it's the only way to save their country from ultimate self-induced ruin.

Oh, and NORAD is a moot point - the US have 16 Ohio class nuclear submarines that could take out N. Korea is an afternoon. They ( N. Korea ) have no "upside" to a "first strike" against anyone - and the US knows it.


Next on my point is the North Korean army is huge. The expenditure based on percentage of GDP is staggaring. The amount of money KJI pours into the military program would be enough to feed a good number of his starving people. That said, the army may be outdated and old in the sense that they are still firing weapons designed during the soviet union era but make no mistake about it they wont go down as easily as Iraq did.

A huge army is irrelevant...US ICBM's make it a moot point.

The Mutually Assured Destruction clause would come into effect here and Bush would not likely retaliate with nuclear attacks on North Korea due to the fact that one of the US's largest allies, South Korea, is sitting right next to North Korea. The fallout of a nuclear strike caused by the US would almost instantly create havoc for northern parts of China, Japan, and lest we forget South Korea.
You're fooling yourself.

The US will always respond to a first strike nulclear attack....but there is no need for a US nuclear first strike on N. Korea...N. Korea is teetering economically ....the US and Japan know that and hold all the political and economic cards...N. Korea is looking to be rescued - pure and simple...they need to either re-unite with S. Korea or form some form of re-defined economic partnership with China to save themselves

Unfortunatly for the US, the DPRK is sitting in a very favorable zone and they know full well that the US will exhaust every means possible before stricking a nuclear attack on them.

The US simply has to wait N. Korea out till it boxes itself into a corner politcally and militarily it ( n. Korea ) can't get out of

[danfromwaterloo]

First of all, NK isn't stupid enough to think that the US is going to sit there and let them launch missles. If they fire a missle at the US, all of NK is going to glow for the next 100 years. AND there's a good chance that the missle won't hit it's intended target.

So, if the most reasonable person can deduce this, why is Kim Jong Il doing this? Posturing. Everytime he makes a threat like this, the US gives him something to shut him up. I'm going to make a bomb! Here, take a power plant. I'm going to make a missle! Here, take some oil. I'm going to take my bomb and put it on a missle! Here's some money. I'm going to send my bomb/missle to your home! Here's some cars. Really! I'm going to bomb your homes! Here's some more money.

Its like being mugged on a country scale.

[JAC]

China would have no choice but to invade and control North Korea

That would not be a bad thing. With China no longer being the "Red Menace", it would be a stabilizing influence to have them oust that lunatic Kim Jong Il.

Certainly better than having Bush turn the entire country to radioactive dust.

[vladislav]

NK is a country that lives in a 50 year old time capsule, they are no threat to anybody and everyone knows that. As people mentioned it's just a slow news day.

[rb]

Little bit off topic here buts its appaling and disgusting how they kidnapped citizens fron Japan and South Korea and now won't make proper effort to reunite families, unimaginable what the families of these victims must be feeling.
Anyone who supports this regieme (china) should be ashamed of itself. I hope the US (God Bless em) sort these B***tards out

[xKagex]

I actually laughed out loud when I heard this reported on the news. Are we all supposed to forget about Iran now or something? What a sad attempt (but obviously successful) to push the Fear Factor just a little deeper. Don't you people ever get tired of being manipulated by the media? We're always just 2 seconds away from total annihilation, whether it's from nuclear war, global warming, cancer from the sun, communism, terrorism, biological warfare, SARS, avian flu, mad cow's, etc etc etc. Governments and the elite realize that Religion no longer has a strangle-hold on most of society (we're so enlightened!) so they're now using fear tactics in the name of Science. Same crap, different pile.

As long as we continue to let others create a version of the world around us that we're supposed to "believe in", we'll never realize true freedom, which can only be found once you begin to consciously create your own future. When people begin to realize that this existence is nothing more than a sea of conscious energy, and that we're literally creating it by our beliefs and perceptions, will people begin to understand that the ultimate reality is, just like Jesus taught: 'Within you'. Thanks to the '100th monkey effect' or our 'morphogenetic field' it only takes a certain percentage of people to wake up and consciously affect change on the world. Sounds like a bunch of nonsense, but it has a basis both in ancient occultic knowledge and in esoteric (mystery school) teachings of most religions as well as in the scientific realm of quantum physics.

[Bullseye]

Poedua's got it right (he even beat me to the use of the word 'brinkmanship', which I've been looking for an application for, for a while now). If anyone doubts it, just look at the tone NK always uses when making these elaborate threats...'We will do THIS, and THIS!... unless you resume talks with us'

For his part, the Bush administration does make lots of political hay from these threats, it strengthens their support for taking away Americans rights, slowly, but surely. It's ironic, Bush using fearmongering about freedom haters attacking the country, so he can actually erode that very freedom himself.

[rb]

I actually laughed out loud when I heard this reported on the news. Are we all supposed to forget about Iran now or something? What a sad attempt (but obviously successful) to push the Fear Factor just a little deeper. Don't you people ever get tired of being manipulated by the media? We're always just 2 seconds away from total annihilation, whether it's from nuclear war, global warming, cancer from the sun, communism, terrorism, biological warfare, SARS, avian flu, mad cow's, etc etc etc. Governments and the elite realize that Religion no longer has a strangle-hold on most of society (we're so enlightened!) so they're now using fear tactics in the name of Science. Same crap, different pile.

As long as we continue to let others create a version of the world around us that we're supposed to "believe in", we'll never realize true freedom, which can only be found once you begin to consciously create your own future. When people begin to realize that this existence is nothing more than a sea of conscious energy, and that we're literally creating it by our beliefs and perceptions, will people begin to understand that the ultimate reality is, just like Jesus taught: 'Within you'. Thanks to the '100th monkey effect' or our 'morphogenetic field' it only takes a certain percentage of people to wake up and consciously affect change on the world. Sounds like a bunch of nonsense, but it has a basis both in ancient occultic knowledge and in esoteric (mystery school) teachings of most religions as well as in the scientific realm of quantum physics.



Translation "don't worry - be happy"

[awestruck]

Does NK have a BIG army?

[ElChico]

Does NK have a BIG army?

Yes if you include Reserves it's the third largest with about 6 million troops including over 1 million regulars.

[Ojam]

Does NK have a BIG army?

A big starving Army..... plus a pretty well fortified border with artillery aimed squarely at Seoul. If they have ammunition, there really is no way of tangling with NK without loosing Seoul. But its all a ploy to get more international aid, when it comes down to it the only bargaining chip that NK has is their supposed Nuclear capability. They simply need to remind people of it every once in a while. There have been reports of NK test missile casings being found in Alaska.

http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200303/kt2003030417272311970.htm

[d_jedi]

And any NK nuclear attack will guarantee their utter and complete destruction.. a nuclear strike by NK would be absolute suicide.

[asim99]

And any NK nuclear attack will guarantee their utter and complete destruction.. a nuclear strike by NK would be absolute suicide.
don't think north korea will go out that easily without harming south korea and japan...about time those countries start appeasing north korea

[Paranoidandroid]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/07/04/korea.missile/index.html

it's coming...

[Ojam]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/07/04/korea.missile/index.html

it's coming...

Every country in the world test fires missiles..... :rolleyes:

[hagbard]

Hope they have a good aim.

[Paranoidandroid]

Every country in the world test fires missiles..... :rolleyes:

I don't know... it's still making me edgy. CNN is making it worse; everytime i see 'BREAKING NEWS' with that threatening font i begin to shiver

[Shaner]

According to CNN, North Korea has test fired the long range missile that the US has been watching.

I hate Bush as much as the next guy, but if Korea finds itself blasted into nothing but smouldering ashes, you can't blame Bush on that one. North Korean's are crazy and are not afraid to die for their cause. If the US, Canada, Japan, South Korea are in serious danger, I have no doubt the US will attack and it will be justified.

Self-defence doesn't require the other party to attack first. A pre-emptive strike can still be classed as self-defence, even in Canada's very Liberal justice system.

[BadDrafter]

I am shocked to see that Japan has not developed some kind of defense against this, with all of their scientific and engineering minds. Would they let this happen on their soil again?

[Sgt_Strider]

I am shocked to see that Japan has not developed some kind of defense against this, with all of their scientific and engineering minds. Would they let this happen on their soil again?

They are cooperating with the U.S on the missile defence program. Sadly, Canada isn't part of the group :(.

[ElChico]

I am shocked to see that Japan has not developed some kind of defense against this, with all of their scientific and engineering minds. Would they let this happen on their soil again?

They have Patriot Missles.

[rb]

coincidence it happened on July 4th?

[Ojam]

coincidence it happened on July 4th?

No, especially since it happened on the 3rd.

[masterhapposai]

I am shocked to see that Japan has not developed some kind of defense against this, with all of their scientific and engineering minds. Would they let this happen on their soil again?

I'm sure if Japan wanted to, they'd whoop everyone in the region.

They've been making a move towards arming themselves recently, with U.S approval. The reason they've been so pacificist for so long is because of WW2.

[Sgt_Strider]

They have Patriot Missles.

Patriot Missiles are U.S technology not Japanese.

[Sgt_Strider]

No, especially since it happened on the 3rd.

Well it happened on the fourth of July in the west. It also seemed to coincide with the launch of Discovery space shuttle.

[Sgt_Strider]

I'm sure if Japan wanted to, they'd whoop everyone in the region.

They've been making a move towards arming themselves recently, with U.S approval. The reason they've been so pacificist for so long is because of WW2.

It's still a long way off. The Japanese can't really do much unless they change the constitution.

[Ojam]

Well it happened on the fourth of July in the west. It also seemed to coincide with the launch of Discovery space shuttle.

Not the topic of this thread. NK is also 12 hours AHEAD of NA, so the Missiles were launched on the 5th.

[ElChico]

Patriot Missiles are U.S technology not Japanese.

I know that. Japan imports (is lent) them from the US.

[masterhapposai]

It's still a long way off. The Japanese can't really do much unless they change the constitution.

I think they have time.

I agree with U.S that NK and all these axis of evil poster boys are bluffing about their "powers".