A friend of mine was nearly attacked by separatists in Quebec City [Archive]

Lonely Soldier Boy

Jul 2nd, 2006, 12:32 AM

A bunch of FLQ dicks nearly attacked Samir (poster on this board). He was in Quebec City for the Canada Day festivities, and wouldn't you know it - the same losers as every year start booing the anthem, and defacing Canadian flags they brought with them. He started taking pictures of them, and then they started menacing him and threatening him. The stupid riot police dragged Samir away instead of the real criminals - what a group of cowards. Why am I not surprised?

I'll put up the pictures in a little bit. Suffice to say, **** seperatism, and f*** the FLQ. If they have a problem with Canada, they can enjoy the wonderful economy in their home territories of Saguenay Lac St. Jean - another "depressed" economy, courtesy of their political BS. I say if they want to leave Canada so bad, drop the load of them in the Afghanistan border, and let them fend for themselves, nothing but a bunch of urban pseudo-intellectual rats who couldn't live a day without the hard work of Canadians throughout this great nation.

Like Samir told them - the only losers were the "Yes" side in the 1995 referendom!

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Choke on this, you dicks.

fakishan

Jul 2nd, 2006, 12:35 AM

I'v lived in Quebec for +15 years, and have never come across someone who showed disrespect for the rest of Canada, except the usual mocking every other province does about another. Never witnessed flag desecration or FLQ emblems. Maybe the people you noticed were just hooligans as their numbers were very small.

To paint all of Quebec as seperatist while you know only 50% of them supported the idea is irresponsible.

Amazing2

Jul 2nd, 2006, 12:54 AM

Feel better now that you vented?!

Lonely Soldier Boy

Jul 2nd, 2006, 12:58 AM

Feel better now that you vented?!

Oh I forgot, I'm on RFD.

When Quebec gets more "equalization money" (read: extortion money) from Ontario and Alberta, you'll understand why I don't like these welfare losers.

Maybe if they were brown and had a funny name for God, you guys would be more outraged and demand they get deported.

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atforum

Jul 2nd, 2006, 12:59 AM

hmm I was watching the parade at montreal today. NO problem whats over. :)

pfdude

Jul 2nd, 2006, 01:05 AM

Oh I forgot, I'm on RFD.

When Quebec gets more "equalization money" (read: extortion money) from Ontario and Alberta, you'll understand why I don't like these welfare losers.

Maybe if they were brown and had a funny name for God, you guys would be more outraged and demand they get deported.

whoa, those pics make me mad.. they're just a buncha misinformed hooligan tabarnacs

Peckerwood

Jul 2nd, 2006, 01:17 AM

Choke on this, you dicks.
While I agree with your sentiments...I think your head is in the wrong alleyway.

To get the desired effect, you really need to use the correct language...and the present Canadian flag doesn't quite have the right tone.

Try this one next time, as I believe it is in the correct dialect:

:D

http://usera.imagecave.com/peckerwood/ensign.JPG

Evil Baby

Jul 2nd, 2006, 01:23 AM

I don't agree with seperatism at all, infact I also think they are a bunch of dinks but that doesn't mean we should ship them off just because they don't want to be a part of our Canadad. They obviously feel that there is something wrong with Canada, and they want a change. I want a lot of things in Canada to change as well.

Peckerwood

Jul 2nd, 2006, 01:25 AM

Personally I would prefer that they just cecede....close off the border...pay their debts according to International Law...and then simply STFU.

Watch how quickly they lose their appeal to the rest of their "countrymen" and either come crawling back with profound apologies...either that or they get swallowed up as the 51st US state.

The one thing that separtists have virtually no care in the world for is the opinions of their fellow provincial citizens...they are willing to have 50% of the province pissed off at them on a regular basis, so long as it feeds into their agenda. :rolleyes:

atforum

Jul 2nd, 2006, 01:28 AM

Peckerwood

Jul 2nd, 2006, 01:34 AM

did they not finish paying the debts last year??
Just because they have balanced their yearly budgets only means they not creating a deficit...but they are still responsible for their share of the total National debt. Just like the rest of the provinces, should they too choose to seperate.

Evil Baby

Jul 2nd, 2006, 01:35 AM

Lonely Soldier Boy

Jul 2nd, 2006, 01:36 AM

I don't seriously expect we have the balls to toss them off in Cuba and let them live under their ideal government.

It just pisses me off that they are just "protesting because they want something better", when if I was to do something like that, I would be someone to be deported from the country. Remember those guys who stomped on the Quebec flag in Brockville and all the seperatists were whining? This is despite the fact that they do the same every year, and are nothing but a group of cowards when confronted.

If I was going to burn a flag, I wouldn't be afraid of a freaking camera wielded by a freaking accountant. But hey, let's be honest, if you are backing the losing side of history, I'm sure you'd be afraid of being immortalized in film.

atforum

Jul 2nd, 2006, 01:37 AM

Maybe if they were brown and had a funny name for God, you guys would be more outraged and demand they get deported.

yes kick these fellows out...law should be the same for everyone

Lonely Soldier Boy

Jul 2nd, 2006, 01:37 AM

Just because they have balanced their yearly budgets only means they not creating a deficit...but they are still responsible for their share of the total National debt. Just like the rest of the provinces, should they too choose to seperate.

Just to clear something up, Quebec DID NOT balance its deficit even. It was an Enron-worthy manipulation of the books, but Quebec's budget deficit is still a billion or so. Everyone acknowledges this in Quebec.

Peckerwood

Jul 2nd, 2006, 01:38 AM

But hey, let's be honest, if you are backing the losing side of history, I'm sure you'd be afraid of being immortalized in film.
Ouchie burn...oooooooh

:D
Just to clear something up, Quebec DID NOT balance its deficit even. It was an Enron-worthy manipulation of the books, but Quebec's budget deficit is still a billion or so. Everyone acknowledges this in Quebec.
Fair enough...I was looking at older books from 1997 to 2001 where they were just breaking even.

Any links to newer booking keeping?

Lonely Soldier Boy

Jul 2nd, 2006, 01:38 AM

yes kick these fellows out...law should be the same for everyone

I agree.

atforum

Jul 2nd, 2006, 01:39 AM

Just to clear something up, Quebec DID NOT balance its deficit even. It was an Enron-worthy manipulation of the books, but Quebec's budget deficit is still a billion or so. Everyone acknowledges this in Quebec.

btw the photos seem one sided. There are some 10 separatists there and I can see some 100's of people on the other side respecting the flag. Probably you should post them as well..

Lonely Soldier Boy

Jul 2nd, 2006, 01:55 AM

btw the photos seem one sided. There are some 10 separatists there and I can see some 100's of people on the other side respecting the flag. Probably you should post them as well..

I'm sorry, I don't have any. You are welcome to look at a newspaper as they will obviously pretend nothing happened.

atforum

Jul 2nd, 2006, 02:15 AM

I'm sorry, I don't have any. You are welcome to look at a newspaper as they will obviously pretend nothing happened.
:D :D

hugh_da_man

Jul 2nd, 2006, 09:07 AM

Burn the Quebec flag?

Flag desecration is kind of stupid. The people of Quebec are not hurt in any way by being a part of Canada. We didn't invade their country and murder their civilians like the US did in Iraq.

They have no reason to hate Canada except for the fact that they want a cause to complain about. They are middleclass white kids who have really never had anything substantial to believe in and get passionate about.

Although, try doing that to a flag in MB, SK, or AB and see if you're able to walk home after.

Samir

Jul 2nd, 2006, 11:37 AM

Indeed, the cop reminded me that their right to desecrate the flag was guaranteed, ironically enough, by the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms signed by Pierre Trudeau in 1981 and enacted in 1982.

What bugs me is that no one pisses all over La F�te Nationale, so why can't us federalists also celebrate La F�te du Canada in peace?

The boo'ed out the national anthem with a bunch of dignitaries present, and basically made Canada look like a bush league country.

Amazing2

Jul 2nd, 2006, 12:06 PM

Lonely Soldier Boy:

Do I agree with the way they acted with your friend? Hell NO.
Do I agree with what they did to the Canadian flag? Definitely not!

They had their say at la Saint-Jean-Baptiste and obviously should of staid home on the 1st.

It only takes a couple of hooligans to stir up the pot. Now, don't let their (stupid) action reflect on the whole province.

second2none

Jul 2nd, 2006, 12:38 PM

He was in Quebec City for the Canada Day festivities

Although I'm not a separatist, I take offence to your comments. So here's mine:

WHAT THE HELL WAS YOUR FRIEND SAMIR DOING IN QUEBEC CITY FOR CANADA DAY FESTIVIES?!?!

Not the place to be. He could have been somewhere else.

purple_rabbit

Jul 2nd, 2006, 12:55 PM

Well in any large manifestations you'll always have that small group of idiots.

But why did you have to take pictures of them? After seeing the pics, at that range, it's obvious you were provoking them.

But please don't pull your frustration off Quebeckers. In general, they are nice people.

atforum

Jul 2nd, 2006, 01:08 PM

Indeed, the cop reminded me that their right to desecrate the flag was guaranteed, ironically enough, by the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms signed by Pierre Trudeau in 1981 and enacted in 1982.

Correct me if I am wrong. Quebec has not signed the canadian charter of rights and freedoms. Was it not signed by the other provinces on the black night :confused:

afong56

Jul 2nd, 2006, 01:14 PM

Although I'm not a separatist, I take offence to your comments. So here's mine:

WHAT THE HELL WAS YOUR FRIEND SAMIR DOING IN QUEBEC CITY FOR CANADA DAY FESTIVIES?!?!

Not the place to be. He could have been somewhere else.

last time i checked, quebec city was part of quebec, and quebec was part of canada.

last time i checked, quebeckers were also canadians

since when was celebrating canada day, in canada, "not the place to be"???

i love quebec, and think canada would not be the same without it, but hell, if being a canadian, celebrating canada day in quebec city is wrong, then maybe i need to rethink my understanding of quebec separtism.

atforum

Jul 2nd, 2006, 01:15 PM

since when was celebrating canada day, in canada, "not the place to be"???

Possibly from the night when canada decided to follow british constitution instead of french constitution :confused:

Lonely Soldier Boy

Jul 2nd, 2006, 02:48 PM

Although I'm not a separatist, I take offence to your comments. So here's mine:

WHAT THE HELL WAS YOUR FRIEND SAMIR DOING IN QUEBEC CITY FOR CANADA DAY FESTIVIES?!?!

Not the place to be. He could have been somewhere else.

Quebec City is part of Canada, and you are a loser. Two facts that you cannot escape. If I want to celebrate there, I will; just like I would celebrate the 4th of July in the middle of South Central LA.

Here is some simple logic for your kind.

1) If you are proud of what you are doing -> You don't mind being seen by other people.

2) Taking Pictures =~ Being seen by people

THEREFORE

3) If you are proud of what you're doing -> You don't mind having pictures taken of you while you are doing it.

The fact that they were upset that Samir was taking pictures just shows that, deep inside, they realize how stupid what they are doing is. I wish I was there, because I would have taken clear pictures of each of their faces and posted it on my website. Frankly, these kids are just loser trailer trash who want more welfare money or a higher minimum wage.

P.S. - I'm very Quebecois as I was born, raised and still live in Montreal. Please re-orient the trolls in here that indicate that I know nothing about Quebec.

Lonely Soldier Boy

Jul 2nd, 2006, 02:50 PM

Possibly from the night when canada decided to follow british constitution instead of french constitution :confused:

Every one of your comments in this thread has been weird. WTF are you talking about? Do you even know, or have you been reading too much stuff from the St. Jean Baptiste Society?

P.S. - A Quebecois intellectual is responsible for repatriating the constitution - Pierre Trudeau.

But please don't pull your frustration off Quebeckers. In general, they are nice people.

This is true. Most Quebecois are decent people - but hardcore seperatists are worse than any terrorist threat -they could do significant long-term harm to this country.

Although, try doing that to a flag in MB, SK, or AB and see if you're able to walk home after.

:cheesygri Damn straight.

atforum

Jul 2nd, 2006, 02:54 PM

Every one of your comments in this thread has been weird.
:cheesygri Damn straight.

what is so weird?? I was just trying to find answers from a non-canadians point of view!!! :mad: :mad: >:(

konfusion666

Jul 2nd, 2006, 02:57 PM

P.S. - A Quebecois intellectual is responsible for repatriating the constitution - Pierre Trudeau.

Yeah, and what's interesting is he knew the correct way to deal with those FLQ hooligans (although they were actually terrorists back in the 70's) - brute force and the Canadian Forces. ;)

eelfliw

Jul 2nd, 2006, 03:06 PM

Welcome to democracy! Welcome to freedom! Did you know that part of every tax dollar you pay goes to those ppl?

Lonely Soldier Boy

Jul 2nd, 2006, 03:39 PM

what is so weird?? I was just trying to find answers from a non-canadians point of view!!! :mad: :mad: >:(

I'm sorry, I thought you were Quebecois :confused: You have my sincere apologies.

Welcome to democracy! Welcome to freedom! Did you know that part of every tax dollar you pay goes to those ppl?

Yeah, this is what makes me so angry.

winner2000

Jul 2nd, 2006, 04:17 PM

"He started taking pictures of them..."

Sorry to be ignorant here, but WHY would he bother taking pictures of them? That's just asking for trouble IMO.

Shaner

Jul 2nd, 2006, 04:29 PM

"He started taking pictures of them..."

Sorry to be ignorant here, but WHY would he bother taking pictures of them? That's just asking for trouble IMO.

Is Canada no longer a free country? Taking pictures of people celebrating (regardless of what they are celebrating) on Canada Day is not exactly uncommon.

I must say, if Quebec were to separate tomorrow, I'd probably give it about 2 minutes of thought, then go back to my regular life and never think about it again. I used to be strongly against separatism, but the more I think about it, the more I think Canada would likely be better off without Quebec.
It's not like anything would change, both English and French would still be official languages, even without Quebec.

Lonely Soldier Boy

Jul 2nd, 2006, 04:29 PM

"He started taking pictures of them..."

Sorry to be ignorant here, but WHY would he bother taking pictures of them? That's just asking for trouble IMO.

Why is that? Seriously, why? They are on public property, making a protest of sorts, and there is nothing illegal about taking pictures of them. Heck, it could even help their cause.

If people are proud of what they have to say, they shouldn't be afraid to have pictures taken of them. Of course, if they are hooligans, it is very much to their detriment.

ynchu

Jul 2nd, 2006, 04:30 PM

Just let Quebec go, and we'll block any access to them - road, air, or sea. Let them go and we don't even have to choose "English or French" on major websites.

Ojam

Jul 2nd, 2006, 04:30 PM

Damn those people piss me off, but they still have the right to do it, just as I have the right to be pissed off at them. But the police taking Samir away is just BS, if they were all "fighting" then they all should have been taken away and not just samir.

winner2000

Jul 2nd, 2006, 05:04 PM

Why is that? Seriously, why? They are on public property, making a protest of sorts, and there is nothing illegal about taking pictures of them. Heck, it could even help their cause.

If people are proud of what they have to say, they shouldn't be afraid to have pictures taken of them. Of course, if they are hooligans, it is very much to their detriment.

I KNOW its not illegal, but what do you have to accomplish by taking pictures? Granted it's a free country, we should be allowed to take pictures, yada yada, but sometimes isn't it better to let things happen without one meddling? If they were protesting, fine. But WHY stoop down to their level and argue with them? They already look like morons...why instigate the situation even further? If you think about it, taking pictures of protesters really doesn't accomplish anything. Unless they were criminals who were committing an act (which I don't think they were), why take pictures?

Lonely Soldier Boy

Jul 2nd, 2006, 05:12 PM

I KNOW its not illegal, but what do you have to accomplish by taking pictures? Granted it's a free country, we should be allowed to take pictures, yada yada, but sometimes isn't it better to let things happen without one meddling? If they were protesting, fine. But WHY stoop down to their level and argue with them? They already look like morons...why instigate the situation even further? If you think about it, taking pictures of protesters really doesn't accomplish anything. Unless they were criminals who were committing an act (which I don't think they were), why take pictures?

I am not sure where you are coming from.

1) There is nothing immoral or wrong about taking pictures. You are simply recording the situation, as is. Yous eem to put photography as some form of instigation, which it is not.

2) There is no "stooping" involved. Quebecers whined and bitched when people stomped their feet on the Quebec flag in Brockville in an isolated incident. Meanwhile, they hypocritically do the same thing every Canada Day during the Canada day parade. This is merely evidence.

3) There is no "meddling" involved, because this is our country. These people are not complaining about a personal problem, they are shitting on the entire country and its symbols. They are crapping on the symbol of peacekeepers and heroes from wars, past and present. They are throwing dung on top of the values we embrace, and you are saying that taking a picture is "meddling"?

Frankly, you come off as this fellow:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevil_Chamberlain

When you let these extremists go off scot-free, they become legitimized. They are far more dangerous extremists than any Muslim Fundamentalists, because they have some actual support within a larger community - and it would be dangerous to Canada if Quebec were to actually secede and be governed by these maniacs.

purple_rabbit

Jul 2nd, 2006, 05:27 PM

Just let Quebec go, and we'll block any access to them - road, air, or sea. Let them go and we don't even have to choose "English or French" on major websites.

Are you dumb? Are you dumb? Are you dumb?

Just to remind you that Quebec has borders with the U.S and has the St. Lawrence river which goes out to sea (which basically gives it access to anything in the world). It would more be the other way around since anything from Ontario and the west has to pass through Quebec to go to the maritimes.

So my question to you is: How do you block what's not yours?

hugh_da_man

Jul 2nd, 2006, 06:05 PM

So my question to you is: How do you block what's not yours?

Military?

MilkyWay

Jul 2nd, 2006, 06:10 PM

Ojam

Jul 2nd, 2006, 06:19 PM

atforum

Jul 2nd, 2006, 06:25 PM

This trolling thread is full of stupid bigots telling one ignorant inflammatory comment after another. It serves no purpose other than to spread imbecility, discrimination and hatred and should be locked.

dude we are just trying to share opinions. I am not a canadian citizen/PR but from what I have seen in montreal people are so good, patriotic, loving, friendly, law abiding (except pedestrians like me dont follow traffic laws :D ) and no discrimination whats so ever. Ofcourse people always try to speak in french, but then once they know that you dont know it, they smile and start speaking in broken english...and ofcourse they are more than happy when I say "bonjour","merci" at the shops. Most of them are not for separtion atleast down here.

And the other set of people who replied are angry because canadian flag was burned. But I am sure even they know that quebec is an inseparable part of canada. Accept it or not. !!! ;) FOr that matter even if prince edward island wants to leave the union I am sure these guys will feel sorry.

Asking for more rights, fighting for them in peaceful ways is just a part of democracy. And be happy that democracy is alive in canada :)

ZenOps

Jul 2nd, 2006, 07:31 PM

Never had a conflict with the FLQ myself. They are pretty neutral almost friendly about Chinese, but they hate English/British with a passion.

The frenchies have strange alliances and beliefs. Take a look at Paris, where just about half the workforce jobs come from the government for "city beautification" projects. Around here, I swear city beautification is less than 1 percent (why beautify, it will just cause people to find reasons lolly around and do less real work, rofl.)

Don't ever upset an Irishman though, or if you are chinese, a korean. (strange how hate sometimes seems to be more intense within a racial group.)

ephemera

Jul 2nd, 2006, 07:41 PM

Funny how you never see this in the news?

Lonely Soldier Boy

Jul 2nd, 2006, 09:06 PM

This trolling thread is full of stupid bigots telling one ignorant inflammatory comment after another. It serves no purpose other than to spread imbecility, discrimination and hatred and should be locked.

Someone nearly gets killed for loving his country and he is "trolling".

I hope you aren't enjoying the benefits of Canadian citizenship.

second2none

Jul 2nd, 2006, 09:24 PM

last time i checked, quebec city was part of quebec, and quebec was part of canada.

last time i checked, quebeckers were also canadians

since when was celebrating canada day, in canada, "not the place to be"???

The majority of separatists are outside Montreal. If it wasn't for the Montreal vote in the last referendum, Quebec would have separated. Quebec City has the largest separatist population.

Face it, it's not the ideal place to celebrate "Canada Day".

second2none

Jul 2nd, 2006, 09:27 PM

Quebec City is part of Canada, and you are a loser.

Listen trash boy... stop looking for trouble. Stay in your low income hole if you don't like what's around you.

Think twice before calling anyone a loser.

srtor

Jul 2nd, 2006, 09:50 PM

Although I'm not a separatist, I take offence to your comments. So here's mine:

WHAT THE HELL WAS YOUR FRIEND SAMIR DOING IN QUEBEC CITY FOR CANADA DAY FESTIVIES?!?!

Not the place to be. He could have been somewhere else.

What a moron? (or dope?). This is a free country and a person can be at any place he wanted to be. You losers should stay home with windows and doors shut on this day ! Cause this is a day for people who believes in Canada!!

cyberknight

Jul 2nd, 2006, 09:55 PM

Sorry to be ignorant here, but WHY would he bother taking pictures of them? That's just asking for trouble IMO.

Why deface the flag and boo the national anthem? That's just asking for trouble IMO.

jakeoh

Jul 2nd, 2006, 10:04 PM

There were 40 people at this "manifestation". They do it every year. Just ignore them, like everyone else in Quebec City.

By doing something like posting a thread calling all independantist Quebecers morons and traitors that should be shipped to Afghanistan, you're actually giving indecise people here a reason to consider independence.

second2none

Jul 2nd, 2006, 10:08 PM

What a moron? (or dope?). This is a free country and a person can be at any place he wanted to be.

Sure...you can be anywhere you want. Just don't look for trouble and then complain about it here on RFD.

Peckerwood

Jul 2nd, 2006, 10:45 PM

Exercising Charter rights is not considered looking for trouble...this isn't a fascist nation...Citizens do not need an excuse for lawful activities.

The moment the others attacked Samir they over-stepped that boundary and thusly perpetrated an unlawful activity...namely "assault".

If more activities like that are condoned or approved of by apologists, then when they do seperate it will become violent to the point of armed resistance...thusly the violent nature of those that attacked Samir would be reflected yet again in the streets during rebellion after a possible successful separation vote.

Stop apologising for unsolicited violent behaviour...appeasment will only breed more violent behaviour as it becomes positive reinforcement to violent offenders.

eelfliw

Jul 2nd, 2006, 11:13 PM

This trolling thread is full of stupid bigots telling one ignorant inflammatory comment after another. It serves no purpose other than to spread imbecility, discrimination and hatred and should be locked.
If there are no "imbecility", no reason to discriminate and ppl don't hate each other for one reason or another, we wouldn't need democracy in this country. We'll be a lot more efficient (and pay lower taxes) under a dictatorship government.

Democracy exists because there are imbecils and ppl discriminate against those different from themselves and hate each other.

konfusion666

Jul 2nd, 2006, 11:18 PM

Never had a conflict with the FLQ myself. They are pretty neutral almost friendly about Chinese, but they hate English/British with a passion.

i know you love bringing Race into all your posts, but in this case it was a brown-skinned person and/or Muslim who was the target of flq/seperatists/whatever rather than someone who looked overtly "English/British".

i wonder if samir's skin color would have anything to do with his treatment? in which case the seperatists are guilty of redneck racism as well... not surprising to be honest ;)

BadDrafter

Jul 2nd, 2006, 11:20 PM

I thought the FLQ (the terrorist group) was destroyed in the 70s by Trudeau.

What the hell? Are they back to cause more trouble?

HoTiCE_

Jul 2nd, 2006, 11:31 PM

I thought the FLQ (the terrorist group) was destroyed in the 70s by Trudeau.

What the hell? Are they back to cause more trouble?

FLQ is dead, there are no remnants. This was an isolated act from stupid little kids

afong56

Jul 2nd, 2006, 11:37 PM

The majority of separatists are outside Montreal. If it wasn't for the Montreal vote in the last referendum, Quebec would have separated. Quebec City has the largest separatist population.

Face it, it's not the ideal place to celebrate "Canada Day".

your logic is flawed. at its core is the belief that a minority group in one province of this country should be able to dictate the freedoms of citizens of this country. unless celebrating canada day was a violation of either canadian or quebec law, then the protestors were working in vain.

if the best that separatists can do is hassle fellow canadian citizens exercising their lawful rights to public assembly, then truly their movement is in a sad state. the logic in putting down canada as a way of 'lifting' up pride in quebec is flawed--classic bullying and ignorance, in fact.

imho, anywhere in canada is an ideal place to celebrate the existence of canada--the one that includes quebec and its people.

second2none

Jul 3rd, 2006, 12:09 AM

imho, anywhere in canada is an ideal place to celebrate the existence of canada--the one that includes quebec and its people.

Not if you're going to take offence to the separatist protestors who will try and ruin the party. All I'm saying is, chances are, you're more likely going to find the "party poopers" in QC city.

Just like certain areas of Montreal, Canadian patriotism IS NOT WELCOME. I can name quite a few cities/buroughs/suburbs that will vandalise your property if there's any sign of a Canadian flag etc...

stooker

Jul 3rd, 2006, 12:38 AM

Ojam

Jul 3rd, 2006, 12:43 AM

For the OP, maybe you dont understand what WAS the FLQ? And the police did the right thing by dragging your friend away because it was HIM that was provocating.

Yeah, taking pictures of a group or protesters sure is provacation..... :rolleyes: Those protesters deserve their privacy and to not be looked at when out in public causing a scene. How dare anybody even think of taking pictures of a group or protesters trying to draw attention to themselves? Just crazyness! :rolleyes:

stooker

Jul 3rd, 2006, 12:51 AM

Yeah, taking pictures of a group or protesters sure is provacation..... :rolleyes: Those protesters deserve their privacy and to not be looked at when out in public causing a scene. How dare anybody even think of taking pictures of a group or protesters trying to draw attention to themselves? Just crazyness! :rolleyes:

Read between the lines.

Lonely Soldier Boy

Jul 3rd, 2006, 12:59 AM

Can we close this thread?

Lots of people here know nothing about the political situation here and post stupid comment.

For the OP, maybe you dont understand what WAS the FLQ? And the police did the right thing by dragging your friend away because it was HIM that was provocating.

For the other people that want to bash Quebec, know your facts and remember, Canada do not exist without Quebec. Quebec = 400 years of history.

P.S Take a look at the OP website, http://www.findmycountry.ca/2006/07/01210209/traitors.html

I stand by everything I said in that article.

The BQ and PQ have their first articles being the dismemeberment of Canada. They are traitors to this country.

The FLQ are terrorists, and even if they supposedly gave up arms, I do not consider them worthy as fellow citizens. They make their "political points" by intimidating fellow citizens. I don't care if you are a brown fundie terrorist or a pasty white welfare bum - you have no right to intimidate me to "bring me around" to your political views

Quebec history, very funny. It is funny that I had to take 9th grade history, in Montreal, which was filled with every grievance that francophones had throughout Quebec's history. "Oh the church brutalized us! The English brutalized us! We were backwards people because our premier refused to take loans! Oh, the English killed Louis Riel! (etc..)". It's funny, they only spent one 60-minute class covering World War 2, but would you blame anyone? It is somewhat embarassing to talk about the "noble war" most Quebecers tried to stay away from. (Ironically, I don't blame them - but it looks awful in retrospect now that we know what was going on in Europe and Asia.) It is much easier to talk about the Plains of Abraham than about living history. Quebec is not short of whiners, that is for sure. This is not restricted to Quebec either - but the attitude is one that leads to intellectual and financial poverty. One of the purposes for my site is to cut through the BS history that I was force-fed in High School. If you don't like honesty, you are welcome to stay asleep with the rest of the sheep.

It isn't as if I'm the only one to feel that way - listen to some Quebec folk music, Les Cowboys Fringants' "En Berne" song pretty much expresses how I feel about this place.

There is no provocation involved in photographing FLQ members. If they can't peaceably integrate into society, they are welcome to resume their exile in Cuba, I am sure Fidel would be happy to take them back.

Not if you're going to take offence to the separatist protestors who will try and ruin the party. All I'm saying is, chances are, you're more likely going to find the "party poopers" in QC city.

Just like certain areas of Montreal, Canadian patriotism IS NOT WELCOME. I can name quite a few cities/buroughs/suburbs that will vandalise your property if there's any sign of a Canadian flag etc...

Just like I am welcome in my house, Canada is welcome within Canada. I am not going to ever hide my patriotism because of street thugs.

hugh_da_man

Jul 3rd, 2006, 01:08 AM

i know you love bringing Race into all your posts, but in this case it was a brown-skinned person and/or Muslim who was the target of flq/seperatists/whatever rather than someone who looked overtly "English/British".

i wonder if samir's skin color would have anything to do with his treatment? in which case the seperatists are guilty of redneck racism as well... not surprising to be honest ;)

Redneck racism?

Rednecks are good people. Stop stereotyping them, they are much better than the seperatists.

gorf

Jul 3rd, 2006, 01:22 AM

Don't close the thread.

I've never been to Quebec and its very interesting reading about a person's personal experiences vs. reading about a province in a book. I'm finding that I'm taking my freedom to express my appreciation of Canada quite for granted. I can't imagine being attacked for that. >:(

BadDrafter

Jul 3rd, 2006, 01:28 AM

My father is from Montr�al (NDG actually) and was there when they rolled tanks through the city and the spectre of terrorism reigned over the city. He told me that it was some serious sh**. Those kids dressed up like clowns don't look scary at all.

I was expecting some terrorists with skimasks and guns.

Lonely Soldier Boy

Jul 3rd, 2006, 01:47 AM

My father is from Montr�al (NDG actually) and was there when they rolled tanks through the city and there was the big FLQ scare. He told me that it was some serious sh**. Those kids dressed up like clowns don't look scary at all.

I was expecting some terrorists with skimaks and guns.

You know, you are right.

These kids aren't the insane FLQ idiots who bombed the Stock Exchange (yeah you read that right), or kidnapped a British minister or killed a few people. However, I'd rather confront them now then when they already did something stupid. Just letting them fester means they will be emboldened in their action.

Let's talk freedom of speech. No one should be afraid to express themself in this country. However, we are responsible for choosing an appropriate time and place to do so.

I wouldn't walk into a church and make fun of Christianity, nor would I talk about German accomplishments prior to World War 2 (IE: Autobahn, etc..) in front of a Synagogue. It is inappropriate, and can only trigger angry reactions.

The main argument in this thread is that somehow Quebec City is inappropriate for saluting Canada. ********. That is completely different. The aforementioned places are small, private places. Quebec City, on the other hand, is a heavily subsidized governmental-welfare paradise. It is entirely appropriate to salute Canada on Canada Day during a Canada Day parade. Besides, most importantly, I do not see how someone is such a hateful bigot that they would get upset by people flying Canadian flags. It isn't like we are flying the symbol of Al Qaeda or Nazis or the Soviet Union. Even if we have instances of our history which are dark, they do not define our national character.

Then again, come to think about it, I do know that kind of bigot. I know about that kind of hatred. I've read about them in history, and see them everytime there is secretarian violence in Pakistan or the Middle East. I saw them when Catholics and Protestants bombed each other in Ireland. I see it when I read about starving people fighting wars over clan rivalries in Africa. This is mindless, thoughtless, self-destructive behavior that is brought forth because manipulators and agent provocateurs stoke people's passions for no reason. It is the triumph of the imagination of small minds over reality that makes these things happen.

When I see the same thing in Quebec, I am rightfully angry. I won't cut and run - I will fly my flag high, and (to steal a phrase from our American neighbours), I won't live my life in fear. I won't surrender to people who would try to scare me into abandoning what I believe in.

gorf

Jul 3rd, 2006, 02:06 AM

Those kids dressed up like clowns don't look scary at all.

Physically they may be no threat but its what they represent that's pretty scarey. I couldn't imagine going to a parade or celebration in Edmonton and being confronted for waving a Canadian flag. Its unheard of here.

atforum

Jul 3rd, 2006, 02:16 AM

Physically they may be no threat but its what they represent that's pretty scarey. I couldn't imagine going to a parade or celebration in Edmonton and being confronted for waving a Canadian flag. Its unheard of here.

you did not read properly. THe fanatics were doing some foolish thing in one corner and the problem started not when this person waived the flag but when he tried to take a picture. For sure if you go to edmonton and try to take a photo of someone, you will be confronted by the concerned people. And these guys are doing some not so good stuff and would for sure love to keep their identity secret

them. He started taking pictures of them, and then they started menacing him and threatening him.

I dont justify their actions though

BadDrafter

Jul 3rd, 2006, 03:07 AM

I would just report them to the police, we've got a government that is tough on terrorism now. The least the police can do is keep tabs on these kind of people. Not that they ever were light on it in the first place; I liked Trudeau's response 'watch me' that's the way to deal with hooligans in the first place. Crush the terrorists and make sure that they don't come back.

Do not confuse my dislike of terrorists with disrespect for seperatists. The Bloq and Parti Quebecois are legitimate peaceful parties that have nothing to do with the FLQ. I actually would have voted for Gille Duceppe if he had somebody running here and had an interest in all of Canada instead of just breaking up Canada. Smart guy, dumb parti.

Are these guys jealous of Al-Queada or something? What's the beef, is there an FLQ revival?

I want details.

Fallen_Paladin

Jul 3rd, 2006, 03:34 AM

First off, your friend was pulled away by the police instead of the seperatists because it's obviously easier for them and safer to seperate one person from a group of 10, rather then seperating 10 people from 1 person. It was not a question of the seperatist agenda.

Secondly, to those who say we should let Quebec seperate; Quebec needs us more then we need them, but we still need Quebec. If Quebec seperates, it would not only break us economicly, but socially as well. Canada would be torn apart as a unified country. Our foreign investment would also be killed off, when investors see that we've lost control over internal affairs.

If Quebec does somehow seperate though, who's to take them in? France hates them, they hate the U.S., and GB has enough problems as it is.

Lastly, not everyone in Quebec are seperatists. Most seperatists don't even want to seperate themselves. They just want more rights, power, and recognition. When the referendum was held regarding the possible seperation of Quebec, the surveys were the only reason that Quebec didn't seperate. If the Quebecers weren't polled as much as they were, I guarantee you that we'd have lost Quebec. As more and more polls were released, people readjusted the way they were going to vote, to level it off for a narrow win for Quebec to not seperate. This enabled Quebec to remain a part of Canada, but also gain recognition.