WOW ---- New cars from US up to 30% cheaper (cost to import under $200)

[Monsieurmaggot]

There are many articles in the press (http://www.torontosun.com/Money/2006/06/22/1646786-sun.html) or even on television (http://drivingtv.canada.com/) that mention that new car prices are considerably cheaper in the US. In some cases up to 40% cheaper. Most are about 20% cheaper. When the Minister of Finance says Canadian cars are overpriced you know something's up:
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2007/08/03/4391821-cp.html

There are dealers in Canada who also agree and (lucky for smart consumers like those reading this thread) are starting to feel it on their ledger sheets:

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/story.html?id=9a93ea9d-e2ad-4db0-8c62-c72d4e75d453&k=77254

For a couple of hours of paperwork (www.riv.ca) you could save THOUSANDS of dollars. Anywhere from $8000 to $15000 on a $30,000 car.

For example, check out Subaru pricing from this dealer in the US then compare it to Canada:

http://www.cars101.com/subaru_prices.html

http://www.cars101.com/canada.html

Unless the car is very hot and desirable (like a new model or extremely popular) The vast majority of buyers pay WELL BELOW invoice (not MSRP). You also qualify for the US rebates (if offered) and other incentives that typically drop the invoice price thousands less than invoice.



Edit: I have since purchased a 2007 Subaru Outback in Buffalo NY personally saving almost $20,000! The price of my car was almost $2000 off posted invoice price.

Contrary to what a Canadian car dealer might tell you, almost ANY car can be imported regardless of it's age. The process is very simple. There's very little paperwork to do. Ask around, you'll be surprised how many people are doing this. The press has taken note, the Canadian car companies are quietly telling some of their US dealers NOT to sell to Canadians since the savings are quite dramatic. Check out the US invoice prices online for free. Many of us are getting cars for LESS than invoice. Canadian dealers insist on working backwards from the MSRP which is ALWAYS thousands more.

Since many of us have done this, we've taken it upon ourselves to spread the word. Thanks to RFD member "Michelb" for helping compile this FAQ:


IMPORTING A CAR FROM THE USA INTO CANADA FAQ
--------------------------------------------

1) Why bother importing a car from the US?

- Partially of the recent strength of the Canadian dollar, many models are significantly less expensive in the US than in Canada. Also some models/trims are available in the US but not in Canada.


2) Can any car from the USA be imported?

- No, check the list at www.riv.ca. While many cars can be imported without any or with very little modifications, some might need modifications like the addition of Daytime running lights, and/or child tether anchors

3) Do I have to pay duty and taxes?

- There is no duty on cars built in North America. Cars from elsewhere will be charged 6.1% duty. You have to pay GST when you import the vehicle and PST when you register your vehicle as per your Province's regulations.


4) How do I know if I can import a car without paying duty?

- If the VIN starts with a number, it's made in North America and can be imported duty free. If they VIN starts with a letter, it's made elsewhere in the world and you will be charged 6.1% duty.


5) IS this only for new cars?

- Any car that can be imported (check point #1) can be imported new or used - does not make any difference and the process is the same (other than things like safety checks and clean air checks which really have nothing to do with importing the car).


6) Will the new car warranty be valid in Canada?

- This varies by manufacturer and you should contact the one for the car you wish to import. Some manufacturers (e.g. Subaru, Toyota) will honor the warranty, others will honor the warranty but under a few conditions (e.g. Nissan), while others void the warranty if the car is not registered in the US first (e.g. Honda)


7) Do I need a US address?

- No, but some dealerships (e.g. Toyota, particularly those near the Canadian border) may not want to sell you a car if you don't register it in the US first. In general dealerships very close to the Canadian border may not be as willing (because of pressure from the manufacturer) to sell to Canadians and you may have to travel further South.


8) I have a friend / relative / whatever with an address in the US, can I or they buy the car in the US and register it there before importing it to Canada?

- Yes but you may be charged sales taxes in the US and in Canada if you do that. Different states have different tax rates (and some none) so it may be possible to do it there. It has been confirmed that Canadian buyers pay NO sales tax in certain states like New York but are charged sales tax in Michigan. Also, there are certain conditions under which Customs Canada will allow you to import the car without paying taxes but this is only for those who are out of Canada for extended periods of time.


9) Can I get financing for a car purchased in the US?

- You cannot get financing through the dealership or manufacturer. You may be able to get a car loan from your bank but probably only once the vehicle is imported into Canada. Some Canadian banks are now offering US loans.


10) Can anyone do this for me?

- There are importers / brokers that will handle shipping and importing however they do charge a significant amount. Individuals can do it for themselve for the cost of a few hours time and the $200 RIV fee.


11) Are there any drawbacks from having a US car?

- Generally no. There are some inconveniences such as having an odometer in miles rather than kilometers and having the 'principal' display (outer ring) in the speedometer in MPH rather than KPH. It may be more difficult to resell an 'US' vehicle and you may get less for it. Dealer supplied bonuses (e.g. free oil changes for the first year) are usually not valid in Canada. Some automatic climate control and computer data information can also be in Imperial measurements. Some vehicles can easily switch between Imperial and Metric measurements while others cannot.


12) What should I pay for my car? What's fair? How to I compare?

This is a complicated question but if you're reading this you have the most valuable tool available to you. It's called THE INTERNET. Unlike Canada, the US readily promotes competition. While most manufacturers indicate a MSRP (Manufacturers Suggested Retail Price) most automobiles in the US are sold based on "invoice" pricing. This is closer to the true value of the car. This information is readily available on the Internet. The theory behind this is to ensure that a dealer in Iowa can sell a car for roughly the same price as one in LA. Unfortunately the fact of the matter is that large volume dealers also get additional discounts and incentives. Some could get free transmissions or moonroofs from the manufacturer. The dealer may choose to charge you for those items and keep it as straight profit. Others will discount the price accordingly.

In very rare cases, the car is so popular it exceeds demand. In those cases, the consumer might have to pay above invoice. If you can't get a car for US invoice price, shop around. Call dealers in other cities or states to get an idea what others are paying. Excellent sites like Edmunds.com have forums where "prices paid" are discussed.

Many of the RFDers compare prices the following way: Use US "invoice pricing" as the starting point. Add the exchange and a thousand or so dollars. Offer that to the Canadian dealer. NEVER compare US MSRP to Canadian MSRP unless you're researching prices. There is no doubt there is a price disparity in Canada. Many Canadian dealers will use all kinds of arguments to mislead you. There is a Canadian automotive analyst who is an expert at deception. They'll point out that model and trim levels aren't the same so true comparisons are not possible and that no real price disparity exists. Unfortunately for him, with the Internet at your disposal, you can compare options to options. This price disparity is huge and is now the subject of a $2 Billion dollar lawsuit filed in Canada in September, 2007.

Don't let taxation get into the discussion. You're paying taxes regardless of where you buy. Lucky for the Canadian buyer purchasing down south, your overall tax bill will be significantly reduced since the initial cost of the car is lower.

You'll be told that the cars aren't compliant and that "thousands" need to be spent to conform your car. Leave that the Transport Canada to decide. RIV.ca will tell you what needs to be done to the car. In the vast majority of cases, very little or in the case of many cars like the Subaru Outback NOTHING is required.

Dealers will tell you the Canadian market is small and can't support the US pricing. Another good one is that the cars in Canada are competitively priced in the market. That's the whole point of the lawsuit. There appears to be some collusion going on. There is an allegation that many Canadian car manufacturers have agreed to keep their prices artificially high.

This information is supplied to the best of our knowledge, if you have any recommendations or corrections please let us know.


Okay now you're convinced to buy in the US. How do you do it?

Follow the import instructions posted at the Registrar Of Imported Vehicles. http://www.riv.ca/english/html/how_to_import.html. It's easier than it sounds.

Another excellent resource is the RFD thread compiled by alysomji with input from just about everyone: http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=477998

Thanks to another RFD member, we made a wiki site at www.carburner.com

If you have any questions, ask some of the members at RFD who've gone through the process.

[maddawg]

Not a hot deal...warranty will not be recognized in Canada.

[guessguy]

I'm with ya! but be careful if you buy new as there might be warranty issues. My next used Porsche will be from the U.S. :lol:

[Monsieurmaggot]

That would be an incorrect statement.

The warranty on many American-bought cars is transferable to Canada.


As an added bonus, vehicles assembled in the US are also free of Duty.

[rooks]

You cannot import cars to Canada unless they are older than 1 year. The only way you can is by paying a hefty duty. The real deal lies in purchasing a car exactly 1 year old.

You can also research demographics in the USA to obtain the best price. Different areas offer the same vehicles at different prices depending on the overall economy of the area of interest.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Follow the links my friends.

Unfortunately most people don't know about this and the Canadian dealers don't like reading this either.

At the RIV.ca site it is clearly outlined.

My local dealer tried to tell me the exact same thing:

The warranty wasn't transferable, I needed expensive modifications, I needed to pay duty. All that information is incorrect.

You can import ANY car into Canada providing it is can be legally imported. The site shows you which cars can be imported.

[thebarry]

You cannot import cars to Canada unless they are older than 1 year. The only way you can is by paying a hefty duty. The real deal lies in purchasing a car exactly 1 year old.

You can also research demographics in the USA to obtain the best price. Different areas offer the same vehicles at different prices depending on the overall economy of the area of interest.

where did you read about the heft taxes? i think the import taxes is 8% plus the RIV fees.......and some companies have both USA and canada warrenty...i know honda work 100% both ways... looking at the s2000 buffalo...

[Rehan]

The warranty on an American-bought cars is transferable to Canada. That is the case for Subaru, but not for all other manufacturers (Honda/Acura and Daimler Chrysler, for example).
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1089211#post1089211

[nanirina]

You cannot import cars to Canada unless they are older than 1 year. The only way you can is by paying a hefty duty. The real deal lies in purchasing a car exactly 1 year old.



What are you talking about?
New cars can certainly be imported into Canada. Warranty is transferrable on certain vehicles. Hondas' warranties are not transferable. There's no duty on cars made within NAFTA --> ie, US and Mexico.

I still think buying a new car is a very good deal if you're willing to do the work. At least the 2007 camry I'm looking at, based on the purchase price of a friend, after all fees is arond $22000 + tax Canadian. Where as in Canada it's arond $29000+ tax.

The 2006 camries cost around the same price as a 2007, so I don't see how it's a better deal?

[Monsieurmaggot]

Here's the beauty of what I uncovered:

You buy the car in the US, pay about $200 RIV fees, you MUST have export documents from US Customs (no charge) you pay GST (6% as of tomorrow) when the car is brought through Canadian Customs (at specific sites only).

You then have to bring the car for Inspection at Canadian Tire (of all places) . The inspection fee is part of the RIV fee. Take that certificate along with the US Customs, and Canadian Customs paperwork to your provincial licensing agent.

Pay them the PST (based on the US selling price) and get your plates.

[Jon04CTS]

I did that with my CTS-V. But I bought it used. You can't bring the car over unless it's 6 months old or has a certain amount of mileage on it. That prevents you from buying brand new cars from the US.

[iamdman]

Follow the links my friends.

Unfortunately most people don't know about this and the Canadian dealers don't like reading this either.

At the RIV.ca site it is clearly outlined.

My local dealer tried to tell me the exact same thing:

The warranty wasn't transferable, I needed daytime running lights, I needed to pay duty. All that information is incorrect.

You can import ANY car into Canada providing it is can be legally imported. The site shows you which cars can be imported.

Just went to the RIV.ca site, says clearly that passenger vehicles require "daytime running lights" see below:

Passenger vehicles

ü Recall clearance letter
ü The vehicle must bear a manufacturer's valid statement of compliance label at the time of
importation, otherwise a manufacturer's letter of compliance will be required.
ü The Registrar of Imported Vehicles will mail a Canadian statement of compliance label to you
after passing the federal inspection.
ü Valid alpha-numeric 17-digit VIN
ü Metric speedometer and odometer labels (provided by inspection centre)
ü Daytime running lights, if manufactured after November 1989
ü Infant restraint kit, if manufactured after 1988
ü Child tether anchorage, for most passenger cars manufactured after 1988
(refer to Admissibility List)
ü 8 km/hour bumpers (refer to Admissibility List)
ü French supplementary restraint system label for airbags that require periodic maintenance

[D-3vil]

I believe Subaru and Toyota warranties are recognized in Canada. I'm not sure about any other brands.

[Rehan]

http://www.cars101.com/canada.html has some good information (geared more towards Subarus).

[dOOMYLEIN]

Ok. This is great if you buy NAFTA cars but how about the great german or japanese cars?! You still have to pay the duty tax which will kill the deal completely.
Any ideea how big are the duty taxes or where can I find info in this regard?

[Monsieurmaggot]

Somewhere on the RIV site I read non-NAFTA cars are subject to 6.1% duty.

Most cars have a NAFTA component and I'm guessing aside from the uber-luxury models, most should conform.

[fireguy9]

There is alot of miss information on here.

My brother saved over $10k buying his BMW in the U.S used and bringing it home. It is not difficult. He had to get daytime running lights installed on it to get the car to comply. It was a great deal.

I also bought my motorcycle 6 months old in Fl and brought it home without a problem, saving about 4k

[Casper]

I also bought a bike in delaware and imported it a couple months back. No duty, just the RIV charge. One note...a copy of the ownership must be presented/faxed to US customs at your border crossing 72 hours before importing the vehicle. They check on liens, against stolen lists etc. You then present the original when you cross with the vehicle, and they stamp it. There's no charge from US customs.

[mwong]

hmmm. i always wondered about this. thanks for the info. so far! all i am assure of is that cars completely made in the USA and mexico are duty/tariff free due to NAFTA. However, duties might still be assessed if some part of the car is mfg. elsewhere.

[nodlive]

after wondering through the CCRA pages it looks like most cars built in the US do not need an inspection to be brought into canada. The car has to be assembled in the US, which a lot of cars are (ie, nissans, hondas etc.. ) to be brought in without any added duty. You'll pay your GST (pst too if youre outside of alberta).

Looks like there is a 250$ customs fee, but thats not a big deal I dont think.

Ive talked with people who have bought Nissan Z's in washington state, and brought them back, and they saved around 8000$ each on the price.

When the CAD was lower americans used to come to canada to buy cars.

[srtor]

Not a hot deal...warranty will not be recognized in Canada.
Wrong, most car company recognizes warranty all over North America. Best to check with concerning car company. I know Toyota does (Honda does not :mad: )

[Jon04CTS]

Wrong, most car company recognizes warranty all over North America. Best to check with concerning car company. I know Toyota does (Honda does not :mad: )
Cadillac does too

[johnsa]

Much mixed information out there..I recently researched this topic and found the following: You CAN import a new vehicle but many dealers will not sell to you as they may jeopardize their dealership franchise with the manufacturer by doing so.(this was discussed at length in the STAR)

The warranties DO vary from company to company. Most will repair your car if you are a Canadian visiting the US and need warranty work but many will not if you have imported it out of the USA..or the warranty may be different. As discussed in the Star, Ford will honour the 3 yr warranty as it offers in the USA but you will not get the 5 yr power train as it is not offered in the USA.

RIV just increased to about $220 in Canada..GST at the border, PST once you register it in your province.



Many vehicles indeed do require some modifications as our Transport Canada standards are different. Daytime running lights is most common..Another one that sucks is the 5 mile per hour bumper. A fellow I know brought over a Porsche Boxter and had to replace the entire bumper! This is the reason the Pontiac GTO and Mitsubishi EVO are not sold here...they do not meet the 5 mile per hour bumper test and the manuf. does not want to spend the money for the mods for such a small market.

Moral of the story..do your homework and do your research..Treat each vehicle differently and also each state differently ..In some states, if you buy from a dealer, you have to pay the state taxes even thought you are exporting the vehicle. Then pay PST/GST up here! that would suck!

[krazykanuck]

I did that with my CTS-V. But I bought it used. You can't bring the car over unless it's 6 months old or has a certain amount of mileage on it. That prevents you from buying brand new cars from the US.

Same thing for my buddy who bought his CTS-V...it was +6 months old...he saved over 25K dollars by getting the car in the states! IMHO..that's a hot deal!

[iamdman]

Is there anyway to get back the american tax you pay when you buy the car in the states? Similar to how americans can apply to get back their canadian tax when they visit canada.

Seems kinda crummy to have to pay american state/federal tax on the car and then again pay GST!

[johnsa]

Is there anyway to get back the american tax you pay when you buy the car in the states? Similar to how americans can apply to get back their canadian tax when the visit canada.

Seems kinda crummy to have to pay american state/federal tax on the car and then again pay GST!


Many states will not charge you the tax if you are not a resident. Just check with the dealer before you sign on the dotted line....I don't know if you could get it back..I doubt it..

[andjules]

There was an article in the Saturday Star about two weeks ago. Yes a lot of dealers - especially near the border - are getting advised by the car companies NOT to sell new to Canadian.

as per the last post, when you show them documentation that you do not reside in their state, they won't charge you their sales tax in the first place.

I just bought a used car last night in the States. It's European, so I'm in for th 6.1% duty. There is also a $100 air conditioner tax, a $209 importation fee. You still have to pay GST and PST. My car ain't in Buffalo, so I am also going to pay for a one-way flight to go pick it up. Facing all those costs... I still did WAY WAY better than I would have for a comparable car in Canada.

[kanatatech]

Adding some stick on numbers to the speedo and an aftermarket daytime lights kit is alls thats needed for most.
Do you have to float it to get it home?

[pulsar]

I have always wondered these two points as I have been thinking for a while to purchase my next vehicle in the USA:

1) How difficult is it to get the recall clearance letter from the manufacturer and do you need to get it prior to importing the vehicle up?

2) Are you sure most Japanese vehicles are not subject to the 6.1% duty? I thought it had to do with where the majority of parts are made on the vehicle versus where most of the parts are assembled? I know most Hondas, Toyotas are assembled in USA/Canada but the majority of their part are made outside North America. I also didn't know Subarus were assembled in North America either.

[Brian2k1]

so glad to hear this. I like many other people realize that with the large decline in the dollar companies have been taking advantage of canadian customers by maintaning the current price structure instead of adjusting to the new currency exchange rates. It's not like the decline happened overnight, the U.S. dollar was been weak for a long time.

Fundementally, there is a problem with importing from the U.S. Whether you buy in the U.S. or Canada the company still makes a sale and collects revenue, inevitably this hurts our domestic market, and the economy which we rely on, IF enough people did this. Theorhetically, the low US dollar should correct itself with greater U.S. exports to countries like Canada who realize the advantage. Also theorhetically, Canadians should realize lower prices on imported products, but multi-national corporations don't exactly play by the rules laid out by Adam Smith, they don't have to rush to re-adjust prices on currency fluctations, especially when we are accustomed to buying at higher prices.

At the end of the day, whose interests are we to protect, our own or our country's? In the end, the company earns their bucks, we as consumers choose where they are spent, in Canada or the US.

Something to think about.

[kanatatech]

But on the eve of Canada Day we have to at least feel a bit bad about it....

[look30]

so glad to hear this. I like many other people realize that with the large decline in the dollar companies have been taking advantage of canadian customers by maintaning the current price structure instead of adjusting to the new currency exchange rates. It's not like the decline happened overnight, the U.S. dollar was been weak for a long time.

Fundementally, there is a problem with importing from the U.S. Whether you buy in the U.S. or Canada the company still makes a sale and collects revenue, inevitably this hurts our domestic market, and the economy which we rely on, IF enough people did this. Theorhetically, the low US dollar should correct itself with greater U.S. exports to countries like Canada who realize the advantage. Also theorhetically, Canadians should realize lower prices on imported products, but multi-national corporations don't exactly play by the rules laid out by Adam Smith, they don't have to rush to re-adjust prices on currency fluctations, especially when we are accustomed to buying at higher prices.

At the end of the day, whose interests are we to protect, our own or our country's? In the end, the company earns their bucks, we as consumers choose where they are spent, in Canada or the US.

Something to think about.

And the point is ?
I don't think is right to encourgae the dealers and importers to rip us of just because we love our country.....
I agree , buying domestic cars or cars made in Canada helps the economy but when you buy Honda or BMW how to you help your fellow canadians ?

[squigly1]

If the automobile is assembled in North America, no matter who the manufacturer is, there is no 6.1% duty, otherwise there is.

You can tell where it's manufactured by looking at the first digit of the VIN. If it is a 1-5 it was built in NA. W=Germany, J=Japan

[Brian2k1]

And the point is ?
I don't think is right to encourgae the dealers and importers to rip us of just because we love our country.....
I agree , buying domestic cars or cars made in Canada helps the economy but when you buy Honda or BMW how to you help your fellow canadians ?

Listen here jack, I armed you with information you take it as you will, thats the point since you obviously are not intelligent enough to figure out the position. There are consequences to everything short and long term, let me spell it out again for you for the simple people.

Buy imported products save your own money in the short run, in the long run this CAN hurt the domestic economy.

Buy domestic, spend more of your own money in the short run, in the long run this HELPS the domestic economy.

TAKE IT AS YOU WILL

[eltonkk]

Much mixed information out there..I recently researched this topic and found the following: You CAN import a new vehicle but many dealers will not sell to you as they may jeopardize their dealership franchise with the manufacturer by doing so.(this was discussed at length in the STAR)

The warranties DO vary from company to company. Most will repair your car if you are a Canadian visiting the US and need warranty work but many will not if you have imported it out of the USA..or the warranty may be different. As discussed in the Star, Ford will honour the 3 yr warranty as it offers in the USA but you will not get the 5 yr power train as it is not offered in the USA.

RIV just increased to about $220 in Canada..GST at the border, PST once you register it in your province.



Many vehicles indeed do require some modifications as our Transport Canada standards are different. Daytime running lights is most common..Another one that sucks is the 5 mile per hour bumper. A fellow I know brought over a Porsche Boxter and had to replace the entire bumper! This is the reason the Pontiac GTO and Mitsubishi EVO are not sold here...they do not meet the 5 mile per hour bumper test and the manuf. does not want to spend the money for the mods for such a small market.

Moral of the story..do your homework and do your research..Treat each vehicle differently and also each state differently ..In some states, if you buy from a dealer, you have to pay the state taxes even thought you are exporting the vehicle. Then pay PST/GST up here! that would suck!

Might be out of topic, but does anyone know how to get a EVO imported to Canada...Toronto more specifically. I know it must be possible some how...I saw 2 of them EVO VII & EVO VIII when I went to Vancouver earlier this month.

Don't ask me why I like the EVO and not just get the STI instead...but I just want one. I want a left steering ones only...and not a Japanese imported right handed ones.

[tilley]

Listen here jack, I armed you with information you take it as you will, thats the point since you obviously are not intelligent enough to figure out the position. There are consequences to everything short and long term, let me spell it out again for you for the simple people.

Buy imported products save your own money in the short run, in the long run this CAN hurt the domestic economy.

Buy domestic, spend more of your own money in the short run, in the long run this HELPS the domestic economy.

TAKE IT AS YOU WILL

Brian lets get back on topic, I think we've all had enough preaching for today!

[espeed]

I also bought a bike in delaware and imported it a couple months back. No duty, just the RIV charge. One note...a copy of the ownership must be presented/faxed to US customs at your border crossing 72 hours before importing the vehicle. They check on liens, against stolen lists etc. You then present the original when you cross with the vehicle, and they stamp it. There's no charge from US customs.

what was your RIV cost for the bike?

[Enthrash]

Regarding warranty issues. If you ask a local dealer DUH of course they will *say* they won't honour it. They want to instill some FUD so you'll buy it from them! Sadly for them, it isn't their decision. Talk to the manufacturer themselves and you'll find most will completely honour the warranty.

This is a common practice for those that move from Canada to the USA or vice versa for work. And no they don't ask for proof that you moved. Numerous lawsuits in the states have re-affirmed this (though I no of none in Canada) arrangement, and some even dealt with those purchasing in Canada.

Basically you don't walk into the dealer and brag how you saved a huge amount of money by going to the states, you nicely pretend you got transferred here, and go from there.

At the end of the day the dealer might be a little bitter they didn't make the $$$ on the commission but I'm sure they'll get over it once they make all the money on the warranty work.

Rich...

[CanAm]

I recently took a night course with a guy who works full time driving new cars from the Seattle to Vancouver. First stop it to have the speedo changed and the DT lights installed. I don't know what cars they

[dzen]

Listen here jack, I armed you with information you take it as you will, thats the point since you obviously are not intelligent enough to figure out the position. There are consequences to everything short and long term, let me spell it out again for you for the simple people.

Buy imported products save your own money in the short run, in the long run this CAN hurt the domestic economy.

Buy domestic, spend more of your own money in the short run, in the long run this HELPS the domestic economy.

TAKE IT AS YOU WILL

That is a load of crap.

First off domestic does not equal made in Canada. Made in the US domestic has nothing to do with us.

I'm sure we will all only buy products made in Canada and nothing else. So why don't you start. Good luck.

[Faeton]

Might be out of topic, but does anyone know how to get a EVO imported to Canada...Toronto more specifically. I know it must be possible some how...I saw 2 of them EVO VII & EVO VIII when I went to Vancouver earlier this month.

Don't ask me why I like the EVO and not just get the STI instead...but I just want one. I want a left steering ones only...and not a Japanese imported right handed ones.

Can't import it. This link (PDF) (http://www.riv.ca/english/US_vehicle_admissibility.pdf) has the list of what cars you can/can't bring into Canada, no matter what. Unfortuately, the EVO is on there. I believe it has to do something with the bumper specs. Trust me, I've looked into it already =(

[Psilosin]

Also as a heads up to anyone planning to import a vehicle from the USA or anywhere else...FEDERAL rules apply to whether you can import the vehicle and PROVINCIAL rules apply to whether or not you can actually liscence, insure and drive the vehicle on the road. I have imported a number of vehicles so I know this as a fact.

Earlier posts mentioned no need for Daytime Running Lights. Well that might be true for the actual importation but if you want to drive that car you better check your provincial regulations. In BC and many other provinces you REQUIRE daytime running lights (among other things) from 1990+.

You might say BS my imported car passed inspection and is fully insured...well that just means that that was overlooked as enforcement in the past was pretty lax. The posibility is remote but if the CVSE (Commercial Vehicle Safety Enforcement in BC) notice and pull you over, you WILL get a notice of re-inspection and will not pass until the required work is done and it doesn't matter how long ago you originally imported the car.

BC is currently the under fairly heavy enforcement of all BC Motor Vehicle Act requirements as of late due to the HUGE increase in the import of Japanese vehicles under the '15year rule' over the last couple years. Most other provinces are not as harsh right now but are moving in that direction.

That said...DRL conversion kits are like $25 at Canadian Tire.... :)

[tazmanyan]

When you buy the car in the US, what about the license plate? Do you get a temporary State license paper? Also, what about insurance? When I imported my car, I had to have it towed since no insurance company would insure a car not registered in my province.

[ecgz88]

Hi, Thanks for your awesome work. It makes me clearly for the manufacture policy.

It seems like Toyota allowed you take the warranty in Canada, Right?
I am not sure if Toyota allowed their USA dealer to sell vehicle to canadian. :)

I lived in BC, there is 20% price difference for the 2007 new Camry.

That is the case for Subaru, but not for all other manufacturers (Honda/Acura and Daimler Chrysler, for example).
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1089211#post1089211

[powerful]

http://www.cars101.com/canada.html has some good information (geared more towards Subarus).
thx

[givinr]

I've done 4 Harley's in the last 6 months, specifically 2-3 year old FXSTD's (Deuces) Dealer wait one those is 4-5 months in canada, and I have been picking up bikes with under 10K miles for the $15K US range. After all is said and done I am landing the bikes with the speedo face change over and all fees for around $17000 and and fethcing $22,000 on average. Since most of these bikes are already piped and half a couple thousand worth of accessories, they are even easier sells. A Canadian Equivelant is going to sell for around the $27000 mark + GST. That being said it is very easy to do, car or bike. I am in the works of bringing up a Corvette Z06 for resale as well which should net a tidy profit of about $23000 once all is said and done. On certain hot models like the Z06 where dealer wait times are in the 9-12 month time frame, these are easy pieces to unload quick. Plus the buyer of a $100,000 car doesn't look at price as an objective. So stick to odball low run higly coveted stuff and you will make some serious cash.

I would rather have the only car with an audience of 50 buyers, than one of 2000 cars with an audience of 10000 buyers. With the current exchange rate this is a gold mine that will slowly but surely be capitalized on. It used to go the other way (Canada to US) but now, it is far more profitable to bring them to this side of the border.

In cases where the manufacturers void the warranties you just buy an aftermarket Warranty like Secure Drive. On most cars you can pick up 3 year bumper to bumper coverage in around $3000 mark, and on a vehicle where you save 6-8000 grand, you are still way ahead of the game.

[ecgz88]

I think if you lived near States, just go there to do warranty check every 5000km, consider for the $6000 price difference, just spend a little bulks in the gas :)

[jon-calgary]

how about if you get the car for free? do you just pay $200 for the RIV?

I have abt 10 immediate-relatives in US, and when we didn't have a vehicle, it was like 5 of them wanted to give us a car.
1 of my Aunt, just donated an RV she bought 8 years ago and was used only once, then parked infornt of their house in San Diego. Their community petitioned it to be removed, so she called a foundation and less than 1 hr it was gone. The RV was nice and well kept (fully furnished), what a waste, lucky foundation. >:(
We thought it was not worth bringing cars here as high taxes or fees plaus all the hassles.
But now, I might have an extra car (need it for standby).
Thanks guys for this topic ... :cool:

[charger]

My miata was imported. Cost me about $4000. Would've cost me about $10,000 if I bought it in Canada.

The speedo is in miles, so it is a little unnerving to be driving "30" through a school zone.

[joeags]

Sorry for being off-topic. He quoted simple macroeconomics, and in a simplified format:

Vehicle made in Canada --> You buy --> Workers get paid --> They spend their money in Canada --> More workers get paid --> They spend the money in Canada --> helps the economy

Vehicle made in US or Japan or anywhere else --> You buy --> Workers get paid --> They spend their money in US or Japan --> Money exits the Canadian economy, which is bad for Canada

Extend that to many other portions of the buying process... dealers, contractors, stock owners, etc, and that's why people want you to buy locally. But you are out of the money that you could have saved. Tons of other social and economic aspects, but this is just a simple view of his rationale.

Who said I'd never use economics out of class. (Oh, me.) Now back on the subject of the deal itself!!!



That is a load of crap.

First off domestic does not equal made in Canada. Made in the US domestic has nothing to do with us.

I'm sure we will all only buy products made in Canada and nothing else. So why don't you start. Good luck.

[scottmcl]

SMALL saving on new cars

HUGE saving on used cars

end of story

[Monsieurmaggot]

Sorry you lost me joeags.

Many automakers' factories and "head offices" are here but a good portion of what I pay for a car goes to foreign nationals. The flag waving doesn't work when I am being gouged. If I follow your logic, I should only buy cars made in Ontario since it's only those workers who will benefit from my purchase. I'm looking at a Subaru (that's made in Indiana). The fact that I buy it here or in the US is inconsequential as the bulk of the price goes back to Japan anyway.

The pricing is set at the corporate level (by the Canadian subsidiary) who according to the Globe and Star articles, are trying to recoup lost revenue.

When I asked my local dealers about the difference, I was told:

They would hate to drop prices as those who previously purchased might be offended. It would need to come as incentives (I have yet to see any). I was also told that they bought the cars when the dollar was low.

Since I respect car dealers as much as insurance agents and politicians, if they want my hard-taxed dollars, they'll have to work for it. The local dealer is entitled to charge me FAIR market price no doubt about that but not one is entitled to my business - as I said, if they want it they'll need to work for it.

Case in point: I emailed SIX dealers in Ontario, NOT ONE bothered to reply to my request for a quote. I sent four emails to US dealers looking for the same and every one of them responded.

Now I'll get off my soapbox.

[dzen]

Sorry for being off-topic. He quoted simple macroeconomics, and in a simplified format:

Vehicle made in Canada --> You buy --> Workers get paid --> They spend their money in Canada --> More workers get paid --> They spend the money in Canada --> helps the economy

Vehicle made in US or Japan or anywhere else --> You buy --> Workers get paid --> They spend their money in US or Japan --> Money exits the Canadian economy, which is bad for Canada

Extend that to many other portions of the buying process... dealers, contractors, stock owners, etc, and that's why people want you to buy locally. But you are out of the money that you could have saved. Tons of other social and economic aspects, but this is just a simple view of his rationale.

Who said I'd never use economics out of class. (Oh, me.) Now back on the subject of the deal itself!!!

Your completely missing the point here. Nothing to do with very elementary economics. It's even more simple than that. It's knowing where your product is coming from.

I repeat:

"First off domestic does not equal made in Canada. Made in the US domestic has nothing to do with us."


Simply, a 'DOMESTIC' made in U.S.A car with American workers in an American company that trades on the New York Stock Exchange is not Canadian.

If you want to support the Canadian economy go buy an "IMPORT' made in Canada car rather than a Made in the U.S.A 'Domestic'.

My comment to his original post he states buying a Honda is not supporting the economy yet Civics, Pilots, Odysseys, Acura EL , and MDX are made in Canada while Ford makes very few of their total vehicles here.

Hmm? With the extra money I'll save buying buying a Canadian made Lexus RX in the states, I could spend all the extra cash Back home to support the economy. Forget the Plasma(Japan) from BestBuy(USA). I'll go buy Gretzky clothes from The Bay! We should all have Blackberrys instead of Motorolas and Nokia too.

Thanks for the elemetary economics review though.

[dzen]

SMALL saving on new cars

HUGE saving on used cars

end of story

Could you give us an examples. Which used cars?

[Eyeman]

Ok. This is great if you buy NAFTA cars but how about the great german or japanese cars?! You still have to pay the duty tax which will kill the deal completely.
Any ideea how big are the duty taxes or where can I find info in this regard?

Most of the Japanese cars sold in the US are built in the US, so there is no issue.

[Rehan]

Hi, Thanks for your awesome work. It makes me clearly for the manufacture policy.

It seems like Toyota allowed you take the warranty in Canada, Right?
I am not sure if Toyota allowed their USA dealer to sell vehicle to canadian. :)

I lived in BC, there is 20% price difference for the 2007 new Camry. Yes, I'm sure some dealers in the US will sell to Canadians. You can read one person's experience over at http://www.siennaclub.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=6465 ... read the document he attached to the first post, also.

[EricMat]

Great thread!
I've been looking to buy a Hyundai Sonata 2006 in the states for a few weeks now... but I don't know where to start looking to find the best dealer to buy from!

Do you guys know of a good Hyundai dealer near Quebec (Maine, New Hampshire (Pittsburg?), Vermont)?

On carsdirect.com you can have a Sonata LX (leather, sunroof, etc) for 18700$. That's a 10k$ difference! And I read that some people are getting even better deals than that.

[Regurge]

Wasn't it always true ever since that if you buy cars from the US it would be cheaper than buying cars in Canada.. duties and taxes included if any depending which car was bought I heard?

Furthermore, when shopping around for a car in the States you need to look into if that car was made to combat harsh winters we have up here or not. I think that's a concern.

[D-3vil]

Wasn't it always true ever since that if you buy cars from the US it would be cheaper than buying cars in Canada.. duties and taxes included if any depending which car was bought I heard?

Furthermore, when shopping around for a car in the States you need to look into if that car was made to combat harsh winters we have up here or not. I think that's a concern.
I'm pretty sure Buffalo (for Ontario folks at least) has harsh winters as well.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Perhaps someone can enlighten us but aside from DRL and odometers/speedometers in kilometres, I doubt the Canadian market generates enough volume to warrant custom manufacturing.

From the on-line brochures I compare, I have yet to find any other differences.

If anything, I would suspect we get less of a selection in Canada: Just off the top of my head, no Mercury line and until recently no Mitsubishi.

The Subaru Outback I'm looking at comes in extra trim levels in the US that aren't available here. It even has DRLs installed as standard equipment.

As many readers pointed out, there are some Canadian manufacturers that insist on changing the American warranties (which in many cases has less coverage or none at all). Other than those few, most honour the warranties as described.

Heck, for an $8000 savings, I'll forego a warranty altogether (dealers read that?) to buy here.

[edsy2k]

Sorry for being off-topic. He quoted simple macroeconomics, and in a simplified format:

Vehicle made in Canada --> You buy --> Workers get paid --> They spend their money in Canada --> More workers get paid --> They spend the money in Canada --> helps the economy

Vehicle made in US or Japan or anywhere else --> You buy --> Workers get paid --> They spend their money in US or Japan --> Money exits the Canadian economy, which is bad for Canada

Extend that to many other portions of the buying process... dealers, contractors, stock owners, etc, and that's why people want you to buy locally. But you are out of the money that you could have saved. Tons of other social and economic aspects, but this is just a simple view of his rationale.

Who said I'd never use economics out of class. (Oh, me.) Now back on the subject of the deal itself!!!

I love this. :D

[ruvz]

anyone know of any good sites to search for private car sales in the U.S? Tried autotrader.com, but it is mostly dealers

[dudestr]

anyone know of any good sites to search for private car sales in the U.S? Tried autotrader.com, but it is mostly dealers

costco auto is supposed to be a good website.

[La0505]

Sorry for being off-topic. He quoted simple macroeconomics, and in a simplified format:

Vehicle made in Canada --> You buy --> Workers get paid --> They spend their money in Canada --> More workers get paid --> They spend the money in Canada --> helps the economy

Vehicle made in US or Japan or anywhere else --> You buy --> Workers get paid --> They spend their money in US or Japan --> Money exits the Canadian economy, which is bad for Canada

Extend that to many other portions of the buying process... dealers, contractors, stock owners, etc, and that's why people want you to buy locally. But you are out of the money that you could have saved. Tons of other social and economic aspects, but this is just a simple view of his rationale.

Who said I'd never use economics out of class. (Oh, me.) Now back on the subject of the deal itself!!!

In the winter , Most (95%) of the vegetable are from the USA or from South America but via USA (The same).

Did you still buy Candian in Winter? I do.

Also most of the food is from the States. If you do like me: Only buy Canadian, we will raise Canada.

Which cars are made Canada?

Thank you

[Asun]

anyone know of any good sites to search for private car sales in the U.S? Tried autotrader.com, but it is mostly dealers

Try craigslist.

[atLANtic]

http://cars.com/go/index.jsp

[jozero]

Vehicle made in Canada --> You buy --> Workers get paid --> They spend their money in Canada --> More workers get paid --> They spend the money in Canada --> helps the economy

I hope you can see your arguement makes zero sense, since if all countries were protectionist, no US or Japanese automakers would even BUILD in Canada - we would have no auto industry what so ever.

Those that believe in protectionist policies (not always a bad thing) argue for control over local resources and good manufacturing from those resources, that were traditionally built in country now wiped out by global trade. Please list for me the Canadian auto brands that were wiped out by global trade.

Argue your point all you want, it is a personal viewpoint and has zero to do with sound economics, or economics at all which has efficiency at its base(which is why US and Japanese makers build in Canada).



By the way even when our dollar was at 80 cents I priced out a Mini Cooper and the saving were over 7K, I should see what the savings are now with the dollar at 90 cents.

[dgs]

The other issue to consider on the economics front is that our interest rates are climbing to tackle inflation - partially as a result of this the Canadian dollar has strengthened. In theory the stronger dollar should see a fall in the cost of imports to consumers (which would be deflationary) but those big conglemerates are taking the margin and feeding inflation instead thanks very much (just watch them swallow up that 1% GST cut as well).

[theastroboy]

Can we get back onto the topic please? This would make a good sticky if a detailed (correct) procedure is outlined in how to import a US vehicle into Canada.

I am just an average consumer. I look for good deals so I am on RFD.

[daftfunk]

there are a lot of used cars on automotive.com

that website is pretty good... gives you saftey, recall, reiiability and other info.

[turanuk]

Do your research is the bottom line. Some vehicles are not that much cheaper from the US, even within the same product line.

For example, in the Subaru case, the base impreza is only about 2000 canadian cheaper after everything, assuming you get invoice price from the US dealer. (Mainly because of the 6.1% extra tax on the impreza since it's made in Japan)

On the other hand, if you want a Legacy GT Limited, you are looking at 48,000 after everything in Canada, and only ~36,000 after the importation process. So yes for $12,000 this is definitely worth going through, but for $2000 i don't know.

[rtsen]

Anyone know where I can get a list of all cars that are assembled in Canada/USA/Mexico?

[KAN]

Heck, for an $8000 savings, I'll forego a warranty altogether (dealers read that?) to buy here.


You could always buy an extra warranty for 1-2 k

[MTL-TechY]

I'm with ya! but be careful if you buy new as there might be warranty issues. My next used Porsche will be from the U.S. :lol:

As of July 1st, all canadian porsche dealers will charge their customers even if its warranty work, and clients have to claim it from Porsche USA. Canadian porsche dealers service depts. loose a lot of money, that why the move, not from porsche directly, but from its dealers. A lot of people buy their porsches now from the states, saves a lot lot of money, thus the move to be more profitable for the dealers. BEWARE

[st7860]

Vehicle made in Canada --> You buy --> Workers get paid --> They spend their money in Canada --> More workers get paid --> They spend the money in Canada --> helps the economy

I hope you can see your arguement makes zero sense, since if all countries were protectionist, no US or Japanese automakers would even BUILD in Canada - we would have no auto industry what so ever.

Those that believe in protectionist policies (not always a bad thing) argue for control over local resources and good manufacturing from those resources, that were traditionally built in country now wiped out by global trade. Please list for me the Canadian auto brands that were wiped out by global trade.

Argue your point all you want, it is a personal viewpoint and has zero to do with sound economics, or economics at all which has efficiency at its base(which is why US and Japanese makers build in Canada).

.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto_pact

[davey_fl]

I've imported two of my bimmers from the US and saved ~ 20K on each. IMporting is easy and there are NO warranty issues. BMWNA warranty covers the US and Canada. And no, these were not 15 yr old bimmers, they were 2004 and 2005. They were purchased used from BMW dealers. Importing was a breeze, no duty, just GST and the nominal charge for paperwork. I did have to have DRLs installed. I found both vehicles on cars.com FWIW...

[Monsieurmaggot]

For those interested in importing: www.RIV.ca (a private company under contract to the government) lists all vehicles that are permissible in Canada.

They also have excellent links to the various government sites.

This US dealer has it outlined the paperwork process pretty well:

http://www.cars101.com/canada.html

I have two dealers in WNY offering me a 2006 Outback Limited for a driveaway price of $ $26,500 US. A dealer in York Region/GTA offered me the same car for $39,000 Cdn. He would eat the $1500 PDI. When I pointed out that the PDI in Canada is more than double, he would speak to the "head office". He insisted the dealers in the US won't sell to me. Even with a 20% exchange rate, the car comes in at $31,800 Cdn.

With over 8000 people reading this post, I hope the car dealers in Canada take note. If only 10% take action, that should spark some corporate interest.

Many of us on this site want to buy locally, but it seems some folks still don't know about the Internet and the flow of information.

[aZnRYcEbOi]

I've imported two of my bimmers from the US and saved ~ 20K on each. IMporting is easy and there are NO warranty issues. BMWNA warranty covers the US and Canada. And no, these were not 15 yr old bimmers, they were 2004 and 2005. They were purchased used from BMW dealers. Importing was a breeze, no duty, just GST and the nominal charge for paperwork. I did have to have DRLs installed. I found both vehicles on cars.com FWIW...

can you please share more details?

which models did you import, and what were the prices?

[trolldealhunter]

ohhh bimmer..! i think i may look into this, we recently got an odyssey from some dealers here, over 11K cheaper in states, but as once said no warranty transference. The bimmer idea is really good, i will look into it!

[rtsen]

I've imported two of my bimmers from the US and saved ~ 20K on each. IMporting is easy and there are NO warranty issues. BMWNA warranty covers the US and Canada. And no, these were not 15 yr old bimmers, they were 2004 and 2005. They were purchased used from BMW dealers. Importing was a breeze, no duty, just GST and the nominal charge for paperwork. I did have to have DRLs installed. I found both vehicles on cars.com FWIW...

I would also like to hear some more details. I thought all BMW were assembled in Germany.
Since you only had to pay GST, i'm guessing you live in Alberta, what BMW dealership did you go to in the States?

[jozero]

A Canadian Driver article on the process (importing from anywhere) :
http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/mj/import.htm

Canadian Government site on importing :
http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/menu.htm

My cousin imported a car a while back, and as others stated biggest issue was daytime lights and the bumper.

I mainly looked at importing a Mini Cooper 2 years back. Specifically for Mini the way they prevent Canadians from importing new Mini's is they refuse to release the letter saying the new mini has been updated with all the latest recalls and safety procedures, and apparently the Canadian import method requires this release. They will release the letter on a year or older Mini Cooper.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto_pact
http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/epic/internet/inauto-auto.nsf/en/am01613e.html
-Production shipments have shown a rising long-term trend:
Vehicles: $43 billion Parts: $13 billion 1991
Vehicles: $66 billion Parts: $33 billion 2002
Just building cars isn't the end all of the Canadian automotive industry.

[jda]

I would also like to hear some more details. I thought all BMW were assembled in Germany.
Since you only had to pay GST, i'm guessing you live in Alberta, what BMW dealership did you go to in the States?

x5s are assemble in the states I think.

[dzen]

I've imported two of my bimmers from the US and saved ~ 20K on each. IMporting is easy and there are NO warranty issues. BMWNA warranty covers the US and Canada. And no, these were not 15 yr old bimmers, they were 2004 and 2005. They were purchased used from BMW dealers. Importing was a breeze, no duty, just GST and the nominal charge for paperwork. I did have to have DRLs installed. I found both vehicles on cars.com FWIW...


Where did you have the DRL's done and how much was it? Would the NO DUTY also apply to brand new BMW's? Where they both USA built BMW's or where they European?

What does FWIW mean?

[dzen]

For those interested in importing: www.RIV.ca (a private company under contract to the government) lists all vehicles that are permissible in Canada.

They also have excellent links to the various government sites.

This US dealer has it outlined the paperwork process pretty well:

http://www.cars101.com/canada.html

I have two dealers in WNY offering me a 2006 Outback Limited for a driveaway price of $ $26,500 US. A dealer in York Region/GTA offered me the same car for $39,000 Cdn. He would eat the $1500 PDI. When I pointed out that the PDI in Canada is more than double, he would speak to the "head office". He insisted the dealers in the US won't sell to me. Even with a 20% exchange rate, the car comes in at $31,800 Cdn.

With over 8000 people reading this post, I hope the car dealers in Canada take note. If only 10% take action, that should spark some corporate interest.

Many of us on this site want to buy locally, but it seems some folks still don't know about the Internet and the flow of information.



PDI is a joke only in Canada. Frieght itself is usually less than 1000 and PDI is mostly a lot of money for doing very little. A pure profit grab.

[davey_fl]

I have imported two X5 4.8is, one black, one Lemans Blue (his and hers). Canadian dealer want $85-$90K USED for these. I used cars.com to find them and the black one I paid $61US, worked out to $73 CAD after GST, import fees, inspection and DRLs. I had, of all places, Autotemp install DRL kit at a cost of $199 (ouch) - next time I'll do it myself as it's easy. I believe there is no duty on new as long as it's built in NA, which the X5 and Z4s are (as I'm sure other models are). You can check with the RIV website in the pdf file it will tell you exatcly which models are duty free. Yes I am in Alberta, but you should take advantage of that also. Have a friend in Alberta? Import it here, or get yourself and address in Alberta. It's worth it to save $5000-$6000K in PST. FWIW=for what it's worth...

[iceage]

2007 camry with moonroof here is about 33k plus tax.


in the states, it's like 24k plus 8 JBL speakers, bluetooth etc.

[aZnRYcEbOi]

2007 camry with moonroof here is about 33k plus tax.


in the states, it's like 24k plus 8 JBL speakers, bluetooth etc.

anyone know if toyota/lexus warranty is transferrable to Canada?

[Monsieurmaggot]

Toyota warranties on US cars are honoured in Canada.

If you ask the dealer, most likely he will say no.

Just one tactic they will use to confuse you.

[freezeepopprice]

I have imported two X5 4.8is, one black, one Lemans Blue (his and hers). Canadian dealer want $85-$90K USED for these. I used cars.com to find them and the black one I paid $61US, worked out to $73 CAD after GST, import fees, inspection and DRLs. I had, of all places, Autotemp install DRL kit at a cost of $199 (ouch) - next time I'll do it myself as it's easy. I believe there is no duty on new as long as it's built in NA, which the X5 and Z4s are (as I'm sure other models are). You can check with the RIV website in the pdf file it will tell you exatcly which models are duty free. Yes I am in Alberta, but you should take advantage of that also. Have a friend in Alberta? Import it here, or get yourself and address in Alberta. It's worth it to save $5000-$6000K in PST. FWIW=for what it's worth...

Not sure which RIV list you are talking about. This list

http://www.riv.ca/english/US_vehicle_admissibility.pdf

Is for admissibility only. If the car is not allowed on this list you won't be able to get it into the country AFAIK.

I haven't found a definitive list on whether a car is NA built or not (I suppose because some models are built in different plants around the world). You can use the VIN number as mentioned elsewhere to determine the origin though but it would be nice to have a complete list.

[freezeepopprice]

Toyota warranties on US cars are honoured in Canada.

If you ask the dealer, most likely he will say no.

Just one tactice they will use to confuse you.

Any idea on Lexus? Somewhere I heard someone having trouble with a lexus warranty issue on a car imported from the states.

Does anyone know about Infiniti?

[superbundance]

Great thread... I looked into this briefly a while ago, of this to work the vehicle must be make in northamerica OR YOU WILL PAY DUITIES!!!

My question is, do you have to pay tax to the dealer? since you are paying tax at the border, or do you get some kind of tax refund?

[dOOMYLEIN]

Ok, I'm an ontarian. Is it possible to import the car in Alberta and "move" it over in Ontario?!?! Don't you have to pay the PST when you register the car in Ontario anyway?! I thought that's the procedure... If not, it's a very good way to save some thousands...


I have imported two X5 4.8is, one black, one Lemans Blue (his and hers). Canadian dealer want $85-$90K USED for these. I used cars.com to find them and the black one I paid $61US, worked out to $73 CAD after GST, import fees, inspection and DRLs. I had, of all places, Autotemp install DRL kit at a cost of $199 (ouch) - next time I'll do it myself as it's easy. I believe there is no duty on new as long as it's built in NA, which the X5 and Z4s are (as I'm sure other models are). You can check with the RIV website in the pdf file it will tell you exatcly which models are duty free. Yes I am in Alberta, but you should take advantage of that also. Have a friend in Alberta? Import it here, or get yourself and address in Alberta. It's worth it to save $5000-$6000K in PST. FWIW=for what it's worth...

[Monsieurmaggot]

You must tell the US dealer you are exporting the car. I was told by a dealer in WNY that if you provide proof of non-state residency, they will forego the state tax.

The only US charge I would incur is for a temporary "transit" permit.

My insurance agent has informed me that my insurance is transferable once I provide them with a copy of the bill of sale.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Ok, I'm an ontarian. Is it possible to import the car in Alberta and "move" it over in Ontario?!?! Don't you have to pay the PST when you register the car in Ontario anyway?! I thought that's the procedure... If not, it's a very good way to save some thousands...

It makes no difference where you buy the car. You will pay PST to register it regardless of where it was purchased.

There's no way around that.

[Beradon]

Anyone know if GM Canada will honor all warranties on new GM US vehicules?

[Prof]

Anyone know if GM Canada will honor all warranties on new GM US vehicules?

I believe it's in this thread. GM will not honour warranties on new vehicles. Car/truck must be in use for 6 mths or 12000 miles(?).

[darrenwua]

Any one knows how to check where does the vehicle make? I am looking for to buy a 2001/2002 IS300

[st7860]

Any one knows how to check where does the vehicle make? I am looking for to buy a 2001/2002 IS300

check the first digit of the VIN

[darrenwua]

J means? japan?

Anyone knows how much DUITIES are usually be?

[st7860]

the duty is around 6.5% if the car was not made in Canada or the USA.

[darrenwua]

the duty is around 6.5% if the car was not made in Canada or the USA.

Thanks, I just found out re-reading thie thread.
seems like there are a lot of work to buy a used car in the state.

[jozero]

Have a friend in Alberta? Import it here, or get yourself and address in Alberta. It's worth it to save $5000-$6000K in PST.

Can you explained how you did this? As soon as you register the car out of Alberta they ding you PST.

[trolldealhunter]

anybody know of any companies that will import the car for you?!

[darrenwua]

Have a friend in Alberta? Import it here, or get yourself and address in Alberta. It's worth it to save $5000-$6000K in PST.

Can you explained how you did this? As soon as you register the car out of Alberta they ding you PST.

Maybe not if you transfer the the owner's name of the car.?? i dont know

[davey_fl]

I've lived in AB and BC. When I bought my M Roadster in 98 (in AB), I moved to BC two months later and registered/insured the car there. I wasn't asked to pay PST and I never did. I don't know, maybe it's different if you bring in a *brand new car* - but my roadster was only 2 months old when I moved...

[coolspot]

It makes no difference where you buy the car. You will pay PST to register it regardless of where it was purchased.

There's no way around that.



Alberta has no PST :)

[tryinginvain]

I'm getting interested in bringing in a used car sometime in the next year, but I want to make sure I have the procedure clear. I understand the drl's but do you have to get the speedo changed? Some people mention it and some say they didn't so I'm not clear on whether you have to do this step. I'd be fine with mph & the kph are usually there anyway.

tryinginvain

[Vacillator]

Interesting read:

http://www.auto123.com/en/info/news/ourwriters,view,.spy?artid=64525&pg=1&author=3

I read this same article today in the local newspaper. It's nice to see confirmation that Canadians are being hosed on car prices.

The Nissan Murano, the vehicle my wife likes, is priced 26% higher here!!

[davey_fl]

I'd head down to the US to pick one up - I don't think I'll buy Canadian again unless the prices are adjusted accordingly. I'm sick and tired of paying 1.5x more than the US for the same items.

[Dave_]

Does anyone know about the Mazda warranty and if it's transferable? I did a search but could only find mention of used vehicles. I'll call a dealer if no one has any experience.

Thanks,
Dave
P.S. - Anyone know a Mazda or Nissan dealer close to the Alberta border? :)

[squigly1]

Does anyone know about the Mazda warranty and if it's transferable? I did a search but could only find mention of used vehicles. I'll call a dealer if no one has any experience.

Thanks,
Dave
P.S. - Anyone know a Mazda or Nissan dealer close to the Alberta border? :)

I would contact Mazda Canada for that information. Something tells me the dealer won't be giving you the correct information. I'd try to get something in writing if it is transferable. That way if you do purchase it in the US and need warranty work done the dealer can't say it isn't covered.

[Dan325ci]

This is very interesting...

Ok im thinking of getting a Porsche Carerra or the new 2007 BMW M3 (released next year)......hope wont have problems... i guess Daytime running lights and the speedometer thing might be the only problems...

Anybody have more information about Porsche warranty issues?

[MMMM]

Hi


The following are my experiences with importing a Honda Element into Canada

Great savings to be had, and the whole process is very easy.

Very few warrenties cross the border. If this is a concern check with the manufacturer.
In most cases you can not cross back into the states to have warrenty work done. Read the owners manual!
Daytime running lights are not that easy to install on newer cars. Get help. The cost is roughly 250.00
All north american made cars are duty free. In the case of the element, the transmission is made in Japan, the frame in Canada, the engine in the states and the vehicle is assembled in Alabama. (exactly which economy are you supporting :cheesygri )
Accesories are way cheaper in the states.
U.S. customs needs the paper work for 3 busines days, allow time for this
Remember a few years ago this worked the other way with Americans coming into Canada buying vehicles. Do not feel sorry for Canadian dealers as they need to adjust there prices to reflect the dollar. They are making obscence profits right now.(editorial)
I would not suggest haggling to much with the dealer in the states as they do have extra paperwork to do. This consists of travel permits, tax forms and the recall letter. I would suggest offering invoice minus 100.00 and see what happens. I ended up paying invoice plus 200.00. They gave me 15% off accessories and where incredibly helpfull. I ended up saving 6700.00 Cdn.
You can get three travel permits. Leave two blank for later. You will need to get the DRL lights installed. and the car certified. This takes time.
Certification takes place at Canadian tire and is a simple 5 minute process.
Do not lie at the border about the value of the vehicle or any extra options. Thay have a good idea of what they are doing and can/will sieze your vehicle!
Plan on some broder crossings being busy. This might delay you and the offices usually close at 3:30pm. I made this time by five minutes otherwise the car was in the states for another day.
Have all your paperwork ready before you cross into the states.
You must declare any funds in any form when you cross the border to pay for the car.
Read the RIV site over and call if you have any questions as they are very helpfull.

Read this if you feel sorry for large auto manufactures:
http://www.naata.org/pdfs/Rip_Off_USA.pdf

The following are helpfull sites

http://www.hamsar.com/drl.htm Daytime running lights (made in Canada)
http://www.securewarranty.ca/drive.html Canadian aftermarket warrenty with money back gaurentee
http://www.maxbimmer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50332 Great info and guidelines on how to improt a car step by step.
http://www.naata.org/ Facilitates brokers for cross border shopping with cars.
http://www.customs.gov/xp/cgov/toolbox/contacts/ports/ U.S. border crossings and phone numbers
http://www.riv.ca/ You must use this site.
http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/ Canadian broder crossing info

[TorontoEh]

my cousin got a bmw 740i (1997) 140K miles from michigan (bought through autotrader-com site online) only $6020 including all taxes and light changes stuff... (i think it's HOT deal)

[Symcrapico]

I ended up saving 6700.00 Cdn.

Mind if i ask how much you pay so we can see how much you saved in %?

[chrisuoft]

Any idea on if the process is different if the car is being resold in Canada vs. personal use?

[AzNCrAzYcOoLeR]

I was doing a search on TOYOTA warranty and according to this dealer's web site, it says it is valid in canada as well. Their original warranty covers 7 years /100 000 KM, better then the canadian warranty as well.

"7-year/100,000-mile limited powertrain warranty from original date of first use when purchased as new. (Available in U.S. and Canada)
"

link
http://www.broadwaytoyota.com/Certified-Toyota-Defined.aspx

[trolldealhunter]

my cousin got a bmw 740i (1997) 140K miles from michigan (bought through autotrader-com site online) only $6020 including all taxes and light changes stuff... (i think it's HOT deal)


ya dad was thinking of buying a S500 from the states :P

[aleksandar_2000]

too bad it will take years to bring Canadian prices down (if ever ...)



Interesting read:

http://www.auto123.com/en/info/news/ourwriters,view,.spy?artid=64525&pg=1&author=3

I read this same article today in the local newspaper. It's nice to see confirmation that Canadians are being hosed on car prices.

The Nissan Murano, the vehicle my wife likes, is priced 26% higher here!!

[andjules]

what I learned today (if you are in Southern Ontario):
As you know, if you are importing to Canada/export from US, you need to fax the original ownership to the US border crossing you will be leaving through, 72 hous before you get there. Once you get there, they'll give you a stamp, and you're off to Canadian customs.

HERE'S the CATCH:
Canadian Customs will accept you 24/7. But of the 5 bridges in the Buffalo area, only the Lewiston/Queenston one will process your export on the US side. Worse yet, you have to fax them the documents 3 business days before (which, depending on the time of the week/holidays, may be a lot MORE than 72 hours). Worse yet, they'll only process your export between 8am-4pm, and I think that may be monday-friday (not sure about that last part), so you need to plan to arrive during business hours ONLY if you want to come in through Buffalo/Niagara.

This is apparently NOT an issue @ Detroit/Windsor, nor at Alexandria/Lansdowne ("Thousand Islands Bridge" - east of Kingston, east end of Lake Ontario). Apparently, there is only one officer in the Buffalo area that has been qualified for this process.

What a PITA!!! (I had organized my trip so that I would probably be arriving in Buffalo around 10pm - so I would have had to find a hotel in a hurry, had I not found about this obstacle now).

[Monsieurmaggot]

For an $8000 dollar savings, that's quite the hotel room. I am prepared to spend a week at a hotel in Buffalo (or Detroit)!

I heard back from two more Ontario dealers today. Neither one is interested in selling me a Subaru.

If I bought MSRP, they would essentially eat the PDI (which is more than double the US price anyway)!

Looks like they're making it clear that I have no choice but to go to the US.

Apparently according to the NAATA.org site I could be blacklisted by Canadian dealers as an American shopper! Oh my gawd!

Interesting read at www.naata.org on how there are a bunch of lawsuits pending about this practice when the trend was reversed. Those pesky Canadian dealers are hiding under their desks.

[Beradon]

Apparently according to the NAATA.org site I could be blacklisted by Canadian dealers as an American shopper! Oh my gawd!

Interesting read at www.naata.org on how there are a bunch of lawsuits pending about this practice when the trend was reversed. Those pesky Canadian dealers are hiding under their desks.We need to punish those dealers that don't abide by the rules.
Only buy cars from the manufacturers that will honour warranty in Canada.

This list from another thread is good but needs to be updated. The only threat now is that manufacturers can suddenly turn on a dime and start changing policies overnight.

Manufacturer warranties covered in Canada. (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1089211#post1089211)

[Zeppo]

Well, Brian2k1 this is what our captains of industry do, don't they. They seek out the cheapest place for labour and EXPORT our good paying jobs to those countries!! Look at all the call centers in India and other countries.It's not just entry level jobs either.It's engineering and medical jobs. Yes, medical, some of our x-rays are sent overseas for consultation thereby saving costs. It's a double edged sword. Are those CEOs less patriotic than a smuck who imports a ca into Canada? I don't know but it seems some of us haven taken a page from their book and are saving lots of money on used & new cars.

I've been looking into this also. I have a link to a govt website that lists which cars can or cannot be imported. The link is on my home PC. I can post it later if anyone wants it. It seems in the PNW the US car dealers are more than happy to help out Canadian car buyers. I guess a sale is a sale.





At the end of the day, whose interests are we to protect, our own or our country's? In the end, the company earns their bucks, we as consumers choose where they are spent, in Canada or the US.

Something to think about.

[dzen]

It seems in the PNW the US car dealers are more than happy to help out Canadian car buyers. I guess a sale is a sale.


Making sales is all dealers care about. Canadian dealers were fighting for US buyers when US dollar was 1.6 to the Canadian dollar a few years back.

[ieatkittens]

I would contact Mazda Canada for that information. Something tells me the dealer won't be giving you the correct information. I'd try to get something in writing if it is transferable. That way if you do purchase it in the US and need warranty work done the dealer can't say it isn't covered.


Keep in mind that Mazda Canada and Mazda USA are two seperate corporations...so I'm not sure that the warranty would be transferrable...also check that the vehicle isn't manufactured in Japan (thats a no-brainer, I think only the Mazda 3 and the Mazdaspeed series are now)

[MMMM]

Quote
Mind if i ask how much you pay so we can see how much you saved in %?




I bought a base LX element with 4wd. This car is not availale in Canada (go figure). I added remote entry. Plus a few others and it equals the base Ypackage with 4wd.

I payed roughly 22134.00 Cdn for a Honda Element (all in)
If I bought the car in Canada the cost would be roughly 28863.00.

Both prices do not include GST.
The cost in Canada is based on paying invoice at the dealer.

[freezeepopprice]

Quote
Mind if i ask how much you pay so we can see how much you saved in %?




I bought a base LX element with 4wd. This car is not availale in Canada (go figure). I added remote entry. Plus a few others and it equals the base Ypackage with 4wd.

I payed roughly 22134.00 Cdn for a Honda Element (all in)
If I bought the car in Canada the cost would be roughly 28863.00.

Both prices do not include GST.
The cost in Canada is based on paying invoice at the dealer.

Nicely done!!!

Does the non warranty coverage also mean that you are ineligible for safety recalls and TSBs? Have you had any issues yet?

[MMMM]

Hi

Strangely enough recalls and TSB's still apply, but the warrenty does not transfer.

No issues, the car works great.

The best way to look at comparing vehicles is to look at invoice price. For the element

cdn invoice base $23385.00
us invoice base $16200.00

Freight and PDI are 1000 cheaper. Must be because building the cars in Canada then shipping them to the states somehow lowers the freight and PDI. :cheesygri

This is really a no-brainer. Do not support your local dealer. By doing so they might get the idea the cars are overpriced.

Also there are a lot of brokers happy to do all the work for you. See my previous post for contact info. They would have charged me 600-1000 to have the vehicle delivered to my door.

[iceage]

i am interested in buying a 07 camry LE v6 with moonroof.

[iceage]

if cross border car purchase is still a hassle(speedometer/drl etc), I was wondering how to take advantage of no pst in alberta?

[crimsona]

if cross border car purchase is still a hassle(speedometer/drl etc), I was wondering how to take advantage of no pst in alberta?

You pay the PST when your car is imported back to your province. Otherwise every person in BC would have been buying cars from Alberta.

[thenatureboy]

for those interested in finding out where the car is being assembled, just look it up on http://autos.msn.com and go under the 'features/specs' tab, scroll to the bottom till you see 'final assembly'

[Beradon]

if cross border car purchase is still a hassle(speedometer/drl etc)There are some cars that have both mph and kph on the same speedo except the mph is in the foreground. This might still be admissable.
As for DRL, there are also a few US cars that already have this installed. Some cars have headlights that automatically come on depending on the ambient lighting conditions. A dealer could program them to always turn on for a few bucks.

[iceage]

You pay the PST when your car is imported back to your province. Otherwise every person in BC would have been buying cars from Alberta.


My plan is to ask my friend to buy in Calgary, then he will drive to BC and sell it to me or can he just tell ICBC that he will relocate in BC?

[jurassicjockey]

Freight and PDI are 1000 cheaper. Must be because building the cars in Canada then shipping them to the states somehow lowers the freight and PDI. :cheesygri

A buddy of mine bought a Honda Pilot in Dubai, made in Alliston, for $8000 less than he could get it for here. This is the sticker price I'm talking about here, no taxes involved. You have to wonder how they can ship a car halfway around the world and sell it for $8000 less :confused:

[tankd0g]

The whole point of buying a car from the US is to get a 5+ year old car that looks like brand new because it never saw Canadian winters and blast crater roads but still depreciated price wise the same because there's a million of every model available for sale in the USA no matter where you go.

[Prof]

My plan is to ask my friend to buy in Calgary, then he will drive to BC and sell it to me or can he just tell ICBC that he will relocate in BC?

The first won't work; the second is fraud. You may jeopardize your insurance coverage as you car could be improperly registered. SK and BC are similar in that insurance is a crown corp. and PST applies to vehicles brought in from elsewhere UNLESS you had a permanent residence and then moved in. When my mom died, her vehicle came to me in the estate. I picked it up in AB. The car was several years old. SGI (Sask Gov't Insurance) asked how much I paid for it. I got into a discussion about how it came from my late mom's estate. The clerk wanted a value for it. They have a book value but will charge PST on the higher amount. Go figure. In any case, play fair and don't take a chance on screwing yourself by trying to illicitly avoid tax. It might work for a TV etc. bought in Calgary, won't work for a car.

[dzen]

Hi

Strangely enough recalls and TSB's still apply, but the warrenty does not transfer.

No issues, the car works great.

The best way to look at comparing vehicles is to look at invoice price. For the element

cdn invoice base $23385.00
us invoice base $16200.00

Freight and PDI are 1000 cheaper. Must be because building the cars in Canada then shipping them to the states somehow lowers the freight and PDI. :cheesygri

This is really a no-brainer. Do not support your local dealer. By doing so they might get the idea the cars are overpriced.

Also there are a lot of brokers happy to do all the work for you. See my previous post for contact info. They would have charged me 600-1000 to have the vehicle delivered to my door.

The US only charges freight and Canada charges freight and PDI. The $1000 difference is a cash grab. Just like documentation fee. So even if you pay invoice in Canada they will still make money on the PDI and doc fee. It takes less than an hour to do the PDI.

Granville Toyota in Vancouver was the worst I ever heard. Low balled a trade-in by $5000 that they were going to flip out sight unseen to another broker for $5000 profit. Pushed the rust proofing , clearcoat (factory clearcoat is better), $1200 alarm system (actually only worth $250) ,etc. from the business manager (i.e another sales person). They can make more money on your trade and all the extras than the car itself.

[ericlitvak]

The question has been asked in the thread but I haven't seen a definite answer.

To those of you who have done this, were you able to get the car insured while driving it back from the US, before it was registered in your province?

[algrande]

Just brought back 2006 Subaru Outback XT from the States. Simple process. Did'nt need a inspection in Alberta. I just took the original title to a registry office and they registered it-no problem. They said that new vehilces DO NOT need any inspection.

The US deal was a NO HASSLE sale. Customer service was top notch also with no pressure sales. This is the price and there was no neogitation and no BS fees. I saved about $14,000.00. cdn.

I may never buy from a Cdn Dealer again.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Excellent to hear.

Might we ask what state you bought from?

What did they charge you for the temporary transit permit?

By the way, I would love to hear if your local dealer will service the car.

The two dealers I spoke to in the GTA told me they would refuse to service any US purchased automobile. I would love to show up and have them refuse me service!

I will up getting the car for free when my lawyer is done with them not to mention the bad press I will bestow on them!

[tryinginvain]

The whole point of buying a car from the US is to get a 5+ year old car that looks like brand new because it never saw Canadian winters and blast crater roads but still depreciated price wise the same because there's a million of every model available for sale in the USA no matter where you go.

This is more along the lines of what I was thinking. I'm still wondering about insurance and whether you have to change the speedo though. Also, if you buy privately is there a lot more hassle getting the correct paperwork. I'd like to do this next year but I want to spend some time making sure I'm clear on the process and figuring what car I want to get. I'd like to get something I could drive for a couple of years and still have good resale here, I was thinking a 2 - 3 year old car.

tryinginvain

[sleepingfrog]

Thank you for all your posts. The question I have is how I can pick up the new car, say, I buy it at Niagara falls or Buffalo. Will the dealer give me a temporary insurance & plate so that I can drive it back? Tx.

[darrenwua]

Just brought back 2006 Subaru Outback XT from the States. Simple process. Did'nt need a inspection in Alberta. I just took the original title to a registry office and they registered it-no problem. They said that new vehilces DO NOT need any inspection.

The US deal was a NO HASSLE sale. Customer service was top notch also with no pressure sales. This is the price and there was no neogitation and no BS fees. I saved about $14,000.00. cdn.

I may never buy from a Cdn Dealer again.


Do you mind tell Us a little more about your story? like where did you buy your car? how did you pay for it? did you drive the car back? did you change the speedometer?did you add on Day Running Light?
I am from Edmonton and I really want to buy like a 2001-2002 Lexus IS300/IS300crossback.

Anyone have experience buying second hand cars from the US? Do you actually go down there to check out the car? and how about the mileage?

I am really sorry for asking that many questions, because I dont know nothing about cars.

[nanirina]

Making sales is all dealers care about. Canadian dealers were fighting for US buyers when US dollar was 1.6 to the Canadian dollar a few years back.
Actaully on the contrary, a lot of US dealers I've contacted refuse to sell to Canadians (those are Toyota dealers). They said their license doens't let them do that or Toyota manufacturer gives them a rule of not selling to Canadians or something like that. That's pretty ridiculous.

[andjules]

Will the dealer give me a temporary insurance & plate so that I can drive it back?
To those of you who have done this, were you able to get the car insured while driving it back from the US, before it was registered in your province?
The dealer will arrange for temp plates. Temp insurance is another matter.
I am picking up a car next week. I have the VIN. I called President's Choice Financial/Insurance and they have insured it 'unplated', based on the VIN. I already have my temp card, once I register they will send me the permanent insurance card.
The whole point of buying a car from the US is to get a 5+ year old car that looks like brand new because it never saw Canadian winters and blast crater roads but still depreciated price wise the same because there's a million of every model available for sale in the USA no matter where you go.
you bet. I bought a 2003 Saab 9-5 wagon with 42000 miles [apprx. 68000 kms]. One owner, off lease, $13,100 US + 6.1% import fee (assembled in Sweden). Not many for sale up here, but dealers in the GTA are asking about $22k-24k for a comparable car. And mine spent it's first 3 winters in North Carolina.
Saabs are nice for import - even in the US, they already have daytime running lights and kilometers on the speedo. Apparently I can get the digital odometer switched over, but I read one post that advised that you get that done with the authorized dealer, or your car will go 'gray market' (no one can prove it wasn't odometer tampering). I phoned GM (who own Saab) yesterday and they say they will honor my warranty - which theoretically means I can buy an extended warranty at a Canadian dealer!

[eltonkk]

Ok, this is a bit off topic, but I know everyone who has experience with importing from US are doing it by themselves, driving it up and just searching for the car online and what not.

My question is, does anyone know how to import a car from Italy? Maybe own experience or know some company that does it.

Why italy you ask? Just like I said before in this thread, I want a lancer evo...preferrably evo V, Vi or Vii. Guess what? Italy has them in left steering and I don't have to worry about driving on the wrong side compared to the Japan ones. It's not quite 15 years old yet and can't past as antique cars, but for your information, EVO 1 is 14 years old now...so by the time I do the research and find the right car...it'll be close enough to 15 years for the later EVOs.

After I get it...straight it goes to West Coast Custom for a completely pimp up.

[Monsieurmaggot]

From previous posts, the newer Mitsubishi EVOs are not importable into Canada. It looks like those manufactured before 1991 might be importable. You could be in luck. The RIV sites indicates this.

For one, I read the bumper does not conform to Transport Canada standards.

It's trial and error about finding a dealer who will sell to Canadians.

Many close to the border dealers can't be bothered. I found this information interesting to read: www.naata.org.

[furball]

I guess if Honda doesn't offer transfer of warranty from US to Canada, neither would Acura :(

Don't forget, if you get something like navigation in your vehicle, you may have to spend $200+ to get the 'local' maps on DVD to reprogram your navigation system...

With respect to insurance.... I thought if you purchased a certain option on your insurance, you are allowed to drive other vehicles? (Kinda like that rental insurance option...) Non???

Unfortunately there's too much speculation and gray areas in this thread to have a huge bunch of people go for it :( Tho the price savings is very tempting :)

Don't forget that for those of you like me that need to consider financing options, that's also something to look into; you can't simply 'finance' through the car dealer.... Going to the bank for a car loan may get sticky as you try to tell them it's for a car from the US......??

I just saw some US cars have more colours than Canada! :)

The dealer will arrange for temp plates. Temp insurance is another matter.
I am picking up a car next week. I have the VIN. I called President's Choice Financial/Insurance and they have insured it 'unplated', based on the VIN. I already have my temp card, once I register they will send me the permanent insurance card.

[Monsieurmaggot]

While I can't speak for other insurance companies, my State Farm agent assured me that once I take possession of ANY car in North America, my auto insurance is completely transferable as long as I am in transit to my home and that I have a bill of sale. I am required to have temporary State "in transit" plates that ensure the vehicle is roadworthy and safe to drive. Buying a new car pretty well assures me of that.

My insurance company realizes that folks move from Country to country or province to province and have no problem insuring those who do.

I am obligated to plate my car with local plates and as soon as the paperwork permits.

[chlorine]

great thread, too bad I'm not in the market for a car right now.

warranty is not really a big issue... I mean cars these days don't really have problems until after the warranty period anyway... at least that's what I find...

saving 5K+ ... that's awesome.

[WILDSTYL]

Back in February I imported a 2001 SVT Vert Triple Black from Linwood Michigan to Toronto… The car has 5,800 miles on it… The Cobra is in showroom condition… even the under carriage is in immaculate condition. A extremely rare find. And for about $8,000 less then it would be here.

The only thing required was DRL's
To get it here... I used an Auto Transport Trailer.

The entire transaction was a painless process... I would definitely import another vehicle.

Since purchasing I have installed a Styling Bar :-)

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[look30]

[QUOTE=chlorine]great thread, too bad I'm not in the market for a car right now.

warranty is not really a big issue... I mean cars these days don't really have problems until after the warranty period anyway... at least that's what I find...
QUOTE]
I think this is the worst way think when buying a new car.
There are so many things to go wrong that eventually something will.

[look30]

Listen here jack, I armed you with information you take it as you will, thats the point since you obviously are not intelligent enough to figure out the position.

Read my post jack, your "economic analysis" have all the depth of a Readers Digest article anyway.
Economy is a way too complicated business to be explained in two paragraphs like you tried .

[eltonkk]

From previous posts, the newer Mitsubishi EVOs are not importable into Canada. It looks like those manufactured before 1991 might be importable. You could be in luck. The RIV sites indicates this.

For one, I read the bumper does not conform to Transport Canada standards.

It's trial and error about finding a dealer who will sell to Canadians.

Many close to the border dealers can't be bothered. I found this information interesting to read: www.naata.org.

Yes, I'm aware that RIV doesn't allow the newer EVO to be imported because of the bumper issue. That's why I'm waiting for the 15years to past...then I can import them as antiques. That's also why just now a few months ago, people are importing right handed skyline R32 to Canada legally.

FYI, it's quite sad, but the first production evo was 1991...but then again...it wasn't till 1996 with the EVO IV that they starts to look good.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Found a few more articles in the press about this.

It seems more and more are carrying this story.

Seems things are picking up...

http://agonist.org/20060622/seeking_a_cheaper_car_cross_the_border

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060621/auto_prices_060621?s_name=&no_ads=

http://cfra.com/headlines/index.asp?cat=3&nid=40314

http://www.auto123.com/en/info/news/news,view.spy?artid=64525&pg=1

THIS IS GREAT!

[eXpedite]

Very Cool OP. Thanks for starting this thread, and for eveyone who's contrubuted. It seems obvious that this is the way to go to import used cars for sure!

[brian]

Does anyone know any brokers who can help to bring new vehicles to CAnada? I rather pay someone with such experience

[BerryPride]

is there any indication of when (if ever) the pricing will be more equal or are we stuck w/ how things are right now?

realistically i'll probably be in the market in the winter time and might use something like apa.ca (??) to help with buying. i mean, it would nice to enjoy the new car instead of going :mad: whenever you think of how much of a "better deal" it would have been getting it over the boarder.

would also love some referrals of people who can do the leg work of importing a car.

[ElvaSoShexai]

Does anyone know any brokers who can help to bring new vehicles to CAnada? I rather pay someone with such experience

i had my used car shipped from florida to toronto with searail. they did all the work @ the border for me.. i had to fill in some documents and fax it to them ... but they give you a list of stuff they will need and it gets into canada "in bond" and u go to your closest bond shed. fill out some paper work, pay the fees and off u go.

[brian]

i had my used car shipped from florida to toronto with searail. they did all the work @ the border for me.. i had to fill in some documents and fax it to them ... but they give you a list of stuff they will need and it gets into canada "in bond" and u go to your closest bond shed. fill out some paper work, pay the fees and off u go.

Can they ship new cars? Is there a contact #? thanks

[smxbox]

I'm confused

[ElvaSoShexai]

Can they ship new cars? Is there a contact #? thanks

*shrugz* you could ask if they ship new cars...
www.searail.ca

if you ship the car you'd lose a lot of the saving from buying down south though...

[MMMM]

Seems to be a lot of confusion. Not to sure why, all of the information to import a vehicle is in this thread.

Purchasing a new car from a dealer is straightforward.
Purchasing a used vehicle wouyld be buyer beware. You would want to do the same checks you would practice when purchaing a vehicle in Canada.

Insurance is a matter of suppling a vin# to the agent.

and for those of you still confused: (copied from http://www.riv.ca/english/html/how_to_import.html)

What to do
before you import

Make sure your vehicle is admissible and can be modified to meet Canadian requirements by checking Transport Canada's List of Vehicles Admissible from the United States. The Registrar of Imported Vehicles program regulates only vehicles originally manufactured for the U.S. market. The program regulates passenger cars, trucks, vans, jeeps, chassis cabs, trailers, motorcycles and snowmobiles less than 15 years old; off-road vehicles manufactured after May 1, 1988 and buses manufactured after January 1, 1971.
For information on the importation of vehicles into Canada from countries other than the United States, go to Transport Canada's web site.
Check the list on this web site for typical modification requirements, or you can contact us at info@riv.ca or 1-888-848-8240.
Contact the original equipment manufacturer or authorized dealer of your vehicle to obtain a recall clearance letter. You must have this document in order to pass the federal inspection.
Obtain information from the manufacturer or authorized dealer on costs and availability of parts for the required modifications. Some manufacturers require an authorized dealer perform the modifications. Remember that the costs of the mocifications are your responsibility.
Determine additional costs, such as duty and taxes. Canada Border Services Agency, responsible for assessing and collecting duties and taxes, can be reached at 1-800-461-9999 (in Canada) or (506) 636-5064 (outside Canada).
Make sure you have the required documentation: title documents, registration, sales receipts, statement of compliance label and manufacturer's recall clearance letter.
Find out about any additional provincial or territorial requirements, such as safety inspections and emissions tests.
Arrange for insurance on your vehicle.
U.S. Customs requires notification of all self-propelled vehicles being permanently exported from the United States. Their regulations state that at land border points:
1. The required documentation must be submitted to U.S. Customs at least 72 hours prior to export; and
2. The vehicle must be presented to U.S. Customs at the time of export.
U.S. Customs recommends that you contact the port of crossing directly to determine exact documentation requirements and hours of operation.
If you are importing a trailer, you may call RIV to have your Vehicle Identification Number verified ahead of time.

What to do
at the border

Produce your title documents, registration and sales receipts.
Complete Vehicle Import Form – Form 1, which Canada Border Services Agency will provide. This requires a Canadian mailing address. This form must be kept in the vehicle until it is licensed.
Canada Border Services Agency will check your vehicle against Transport Canada's List of Vehicles Admissible from the United States. They will also verify the public VIN and manufacturer's statement of compliance label on the vehicle to make sure they match.
Canada Border Services Agency will collect your nonrefundable Registrar of Imported Vehicles' fee of $195.00 + GST in all provinces except Quebec where it is $195.00 + GST and QST.
Payment for the RIV fee may be made directly to Canada Border Services Agency with any major credit card. Canada Border Services Agency does not accept cash or cheques for the RIV fee. If you wish to pay by cheque or money order, Canada Border Services Agency will provide you with a payment envelope which must be mailed to the Registrar of Imported Vehicles. Please note that all personal cheques will be held for ten business days in order to allow them to clear the bank. This will use up a portion of your 45 day time limit.
Remember that payment of fees and receipt of the Vehicle Import Form – Form 1 does not warrant that your vehicle is capable of being brought into conformity with all applicable federal and provincial or territorial laws.
The Registrar of Imported Vehicles will not issue a federal inspection form or any specific modification information for a vehicle with an unpaid file. It is important that you do not proceed with any modificaitons on your vehicle until you receive this federal inspection form. If the file remains unpaid for 14 days after importation, we will send the importer a reminder of notice.


What to do
after the vehicle enters Canada



Within 10 days, you'll receive a letter from RIV with your inspection document (Form 2) which details what must be done to bring your vehicle into compliance.
It is your responsibility to complete the necessary modifications within 45 days. You may have the modifications done by the mechanic or garage of your choice. However, we recommend that you contact the Original Equipment Manufacturer to discuss appropriate parts or warranty issues. Make sure you keep receipts for parts and labour, to present at the inspection, along with Form 1, Form 2 and the recall clearance letter.
The RIV has contracted with Canadian Tire, with 430 locations across Canada, to perform our federal inspections. In many cases, Canadian Tire can perform certain modification work, as well as performing the provincial inspection.
When you pass the inspection, the inspection centre will stamp your Form 1, that you will have to present to the provincial or territorial licensing authority, which may require additional testing.
Within approximately one week of passing the federal inspection, we will send you a new Canadian Certification label with instructions on where to affix it to your vehicle.
If the vehicle fails the inspection, you'll have to pay additional charges for another inspection. If the vehicle cannot pass the inspection within the 45 days, it will have to be exported back to the United States.
If you are having trouble meeting the 45-day deadline or other questions, we may be able to help. Contact us at info@riv.ca or 1-888-848-8240.
Registrar
of Imported Vehicle fees

The fees for the RIV program are:

Vehicles entering the RIV program with a form 1
$195.00 + GST and QST for vehicles entering through a port in Quebec
$195.00 + GST for vehicles entering through a port in any other province

Vehicles entering the RIV program with a form 3 (parts)
$70.00 + GST and QST for vehicles entering through a port in Quebec
$70.00 + GST for vehicles entering through a port in any other province

Reactivation fees for suspended files
$57.51 for residents of Quebec
$53.50 for residents of any other province
The methods of payment have not changed. There are still 5 ways to pay:

On-line payment
Credit Card (Visa, Master Card, or American Express)
Cheque or Money Order to be mailed along with your form to:
REGISTRAR OF IMPORTED VEHICLES
405 THE WEST MALL
TORONTO ON M9C 5K7
(Please note that personal cheques are placed on a 10 day bank hold)
Debit Card for importers that visit the RIV office between 8:30 a.m. and 4:30 p.m. (EST)
Cash for importers that visit the RIV office between 8:30 a.m. and 4:30 p.m. (EST)
Numbers
you'll need

Registrar of Imported Vehicles
1-888-848-8240
Fax: (416) 626-0366
info@riv.ca

Hours of service
Mon. to Fri.: 7:00 a.m. to 12:00 midnight (EST)
Sat. and Sun.: 7:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. (EST)

Canada Border Services Agency
In Canada: 1-800-461-9999 (English) ; 1-800-959-2036 (French)
Outside Canada: (506) 636-5064 (English) ; (506) 636-5067 (French)
www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca

Transport Canada
In Canada: 1-800-333-0371
Outside Canada: (613) 998-8616
Fax: (613) 998-4831
www.tc.gc.ca

[EricMat]

Does anyone know any brokers who can help to bring new vehicles to CAnada? I rather pay someone with such experience

I plan on offering this particular service in Quebec somewhere in the next few months. I just ordered 3 vehicules in Plattsburgh, NY and if everything goes as planned, I'll offer an AutoImport service on the net. To be continued... ;)

[Monsieurmaggot]

It looks like you might be on to something EricMat.

Those RFDers who don't live near the border might find that a great service.

If you can figure out a way to import, ship and do all the paperwork, you might be on to something.

Since I live near the border, buying a car from the US is presenting itself to be an adventure.

In my case, Subaru Canada never replied to my emails. I don't suspect they ever will reply to me.

There's a couple of my co-workers who were looking at buying but now are researching and considering a US purchase particularly after I told them how much they could save.

[hooky]

Monsieurmaggot: Here's something you might be interested in. Some good information on importing your Subaru and maybe someone who's dealt with importing one into Ontario from the US.

http://legacygt.com/forums/canada/24153-import-us-excellent-experience.html

[contact]

When you buy a new or used car from a US dealer, please pay extra caution. US dealers are more unethical, especially when they sell cars to we innocient, honest, pure, and naive Canadian customers. If you buy a car from them, make sure you can track the VIN from the date it was out of the factory. Many "new" cars were soaked in the water last summer at the dealerships in New Orlean. I heard some of these cars are discovered in Canada.

[kaddy69]

Hey RFD's,

I'm looking at buying a Acura RSX. I don't want to buy anything with warranty because Honda doesn't value it in Canada.

1. Where is a good place to buy (I'm in Calgary)
2. I'm was hoping to buy something AROUND a 2003 model.

Anyone help me out on where to look.

How can I arrange a buy before I've even seen a car????
What If I take a trip down to the states and the car is sold that I'm looking at?????

Any advice???

Thanks,
kaddy

[trolldealhunter]

When you buy a new or used car from a US dealer, please pay extra caution. US dealers are more unethical, especially when they sell cars to we innocient, honest, pure, and naive Canadian customers. If you buy a car from them, make sure you can track the VIN from the date it was out of the factory. Many "new" cars were soaked in the water last summer at the dealerships in New Orlean. I heard some of these cars are discovered in Canada.

agreed!

[EricMat]

When you buy a new or used car from a US dealer, please pay extra caution. US dealers are more unethical, especially when they sell cars to we innocient, honest, pure, and naive Canadian customers. If you buy a car from them, make sure you can track the VIN from the date it was out of the factory. Many "new" cars were soaked in the water last summer at the dealerships in New Orlean. I heard some of these cars are discovered in Canada.

Excellent comment! I'll be extra cautious. Thanks Contact!

[Monsieurmaggot]

One of the first things I would check is the date of manufacture on the door panel.

From past buying experiences, I won't be buying any new US car that's over six months old.

[underpants]

When you buy a new or used car from a US dealer, please pay extra caution. US dealers are more unethical, especially when they sell cars to we innocient, honest, pure, and naive Canadian customers. If you buy a car from them, make sure you can track the VIN from the date it was out of the factory. Many "new" cars were soaked in the water last summer at the dealerships in New Orlean. I heard some of these cars are discovered in Canada.

I don't know about the ethics of US used car dealers. I would imagine they would be the same as Canadian used car dealers. How ethical are Canadian used car dealers who sell salvaged vehicles to unsuspecting customers?

Many salvaged vehicles are being brought into Canada. Be very careful when buying a used US vehicle in Canada. Use CarFax, Carproof, whatever and be sure of what you are buying.

My 2 cents. :)

[QuadESL63]

I would also like to hear some more details. I thought all BMW were assembled in Germany.
Since you only had to pay GST, i'm guessing you live in Alberta, what BMW dealership did you go to in the States?

Not all Bimmers are made in Germany (e.g. X5's are not). You have to check the VIN.

[Deemo]

That's correct....X5's are made in good 'ol South Carolina .......so caution on build quality.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I am off to Michigan next week to check out the Subarus close up.

One of the super dealers in Detroit's suburbs (they sell more than just Subarus) tells me that they've sold a dozen cars to Canadian residents in the last few months. He even offered me copies of the forms that need to be filled in.

No wonder they've sold cars to Canadians. A local dealer offered me a weather damaged 2006 Subaru Limited for $2000 off MSRP. I was also going to be charged a $199 fee and $299 windshield inscribing money grab. According to Consumer Reports, I can get the same inscribing kit with registration for under $25 US.

Check out what the Subarus are going for in Washington State:

http://www.cars101.com/subaru_prices.html#legacy

These prices don't even include $1500 - $2000 US dollar cash backs. I was told when the 2007s come out in the fall, the savings will be even better.

[daffod]

i was student in US and bought new civic and brought to canada all Canada honda deals have serve me warranty without a question. warranty is clearly mention valid in US and Canada. read the user manual.

[Rehan]

i was student in US and bought new civic and brought to canada all Canada honda deals have serve me warranty without a question. warranty is clearly mention valid in US and Canada. read the user manual. Your situation was different because you were "living" in the US when you purchased the car. If a Canadian visitor to the US buys a Honda there, then the warranty is not valid in Canada. It was posted earlier in this thread.

[EricMat]

I have some new information for anyone interested in buying a Hyundai in the US (might be specific to Hyundai, I don't know):

If you want to have access to the dealer's incentives and other rebates, you'll need a US address (see this website if you need one : http://www.thelettercarrier.com/) and an American Social security number!!!

Now this is new info to me and it comes from a car dealer in Mass whom I thought was pretty honest so far!

Anyone had a similar experience, questions asked, for a Hyundai or another make?

Eric

[toolin4]

Just a heads up to anyone in the market for a car in the states. I just picked one up today, a used 2005 Mazda 6, and know the process inside-out.
I've gone through it before with another car, as well as a ATV.
One thing to be congnisant of: You DO NOT pay state sales tax, at least in Michigan. The dealer will swear up and down you do (they dont know better), as will the Department of the Treasury (they are unaware of a perfectly legal loophole). The tax savings, 6%, can save you a fortune when buying a car. I just saved $1000 in tax today myself.

For anyone wanting details, PM me. Better yet, let me buy your car in the states for you. Sure, i'll charge a little fee, but it will save ya a fortune. :cheesygri

[excel]

anybody imported a new bmw from US before? is warranty transferrable to canada? the US price for a 330i is 36600USD, here is $47900cad.

using exchange rate 1.112 thats 47900 - 40700 = $7200CAD difference

but i guess after gst 6% + pst 7% + 6% duty it's the same $7000 :twisted:

[Monsieurmaggot]

Are you quoting Canadian MSRP on the BMW then adding the 6.1% duty?

In both cases you will pay GST/PST. Remember you are paying PST/GST on the US purchase price (after the Feds add in the current exchange). You are not paying taxes based on the Canadian MSRP!

If my math works out, that's still a $4000 savings.

If you buy the X5 or the Z4 convertible, they are duty exempt as they are made in South Carolina.

Just found this interesting thread: Canadian Car sales generally down.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1152049812166&call_pageid=968350072197&col=969048863851

It could be due to all the RFDers reading my post!

[excel]

36600USD convert to canadian using 1.112 = $40699 CAD

so 40699CAD + GST $2441 + pst $2848 + duty 6% $2441 = $48429CAD

compared to $47900MSRP here + gst $2874 + pst $3353 = $54127

still save $5698 oh you're right! haha my bad :D


by the way, this whole importing thing is only if we buy the car out right, no leasing ?

[iceage]

plus more incentives available there like manufacturer rebates etc

[Monsieurmaggot]

I haven't even asked the US dealers about financing or leasing.

I suppose some might but I will suspect we are dealing cash only.

As Iceage pointed out many are also offering cash back or other incentives.

[raymondy]

36600USD convert to canadian using 1.112 = $40699 CAD

so 40699CAD + GST $2441 + pst $2848 + duty 6% $2441 = $48429CAD

compared to $47900MSRP here + gst $2874 + pst $3353 = $54127

still save $5698 oh you're right! haha my bad :D


by the way, this whole importing thing is only if we buy the car out right, no leasing ?

Your math is mostly correct, however the PST and GST are added after you add duty. ie ($40699+$2441)*1.13=$49180
Still great deal though IMO. I imported a new Audi S4 earlier this year and am very happy with the car and savings.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I didn't know that you pay taxes on the duty.

Leave it to our government to find a way to tax a tax!

[iceage]

savings are there

[Deemo]

So how much is the DTRL and speedo change over?
Is the DTRL a switch or a whole housing?

[eljay]

Well, the BMW European delivery may not be so attractive after all. (unless you can get EU delivery into the US and then import it to Canada.

BMW M3 (based on MSRP)
US$52,865 = CAD$58,944 + 3,596 (6.1% duty) = CAD$62,540 + (15% HST) = CAD$71,921

Equivalent in Canada: CAD$86,077 (incl. HST)

Difference: CAD$14,156!!!! WOW!

[raymondy]

I don't know about BMW but Volvo OSD (Oversea Delivery) program requires you to be a US resident with social insurance number. I just found out that when I tried to order a 2007 XC90 from a US dealer. Best thing to do is to buy a in stock car with manufacturer's incentives.

[CanadaBoy]

Lucky Albertains all should buy a car from US (no PST)

[michelb]

I don't know about BMW but Volvo OSD (Oversea Delivery) program requires you to be a US resident with social insurance number. I just found out that when I tried to order a 2007 XC90 from a US dealer. Best thing to do is to buy a in stock car with manufacturer's incentives.

Don't know how it compares with the US prices but Volvo Canada (and Mercedes and others) also have Overseas Delivery programs. Not sure how much you can actually save but the principle is that you order a car from the Canadian dealership as OSD, then you go to Europe and pick up the 'Canadian marker' car there, drive it for a while, return it to the factory (or wherever they tell you), they import it to Canada and then you take possession of it here. The money saving is that when you import it, you are now importing a used car so you only pay taxes and duty on the used value of the car (for a $20k car, there's not much savings but for a $75k car, it's pretty significant).

This is actually an excellent deal for people looking for a new car and going on a trip to Europe where they'd normally rent a car since you get to drive your 'rental-car' for free and then you save on the car purchase when you return to Canada.

[Monsieurmaggot]

A dealer in the US just offered me a 2006 Outback Limited (Moonroof, Leather), Homelink & Compass, upgraded security, bumper guards, cargo nets, console extension and trunk tray for at drive-away price of $24,250 US! That includes a $2000 US customer cash incentive (subtracted directly rom the non-haggle price of $26,250.

We didn't even negotiate. I simply asked him "what's your best driveaway price".

Holy mackerel.

If I wait a few more weeks, he says he might do even better as he gets the word to clear out the 2006s from Subaru of America.

[ace1353]

Actaully on the contrary, a lot of US dealers I've contacted refuse to sell to Canadians (those are Toyota dealers). They said their license doens't let them do that or Toyota manufacturer gives them a rule of not selling to Canadians or something like that. That's pretty ridiculous.

Anyone else have experiences dealing with Toyota dealers near the boarder? I can't see why they would turn away customers...

[Gymee]

I haven't read the whole post....no time. But to answer a few queries.

I bought my 2006 BMW 330i in the US. It was a few months old, and I saved over $10 000 CDN. BMW USA won't allow sellers to sell brand new BMWs to some one who will register it with a CDN address. You can however buy a "used" BMW with no restrictions. My car was "used" but only for a few months.

MSRP differences for brand new bimmers are close to $8000 difference. Well worth it.

It took me about a month to coordinate as I flew to the US to drive my car back over and getting a trip license required have the ownership and insurance on the car. This quite tedious to coordinate but if you're going to save big money, it's well worth it. I have no regrets.

Hope this helps...
Gymee

[vishal]

I haven't read the whole post....no time. But to answer a few queries.

I bought my 2006 BMW 330i in the US. It was a few months old, and I saved over $10 000 CDN. BMW USA won't allow sellers to sell brand new BMWs to some one who will register it with a CDN address. You can however buy a "used" BMW with no restrictions. My car was "used" but only for a few months.

MSRP differences for brand new bimmers are close to $8000 difference. Well worth it.

It took me about a month to coordinate as I flew to the US to drive my car back over and getting a trip license required have the ownership and insurance on the car. This quite tedious to coordinate but if you're going to save big money, it's well worth it. I have no regrets.

Hope this helps...
Gymee

Can you explain the process you went through, what you did from beginning to end?

Thanks,
vishal

[lewdvig]

It's the only way to get the Pontiac GTO (Holden). That car never sold here (barely sold in the USA).

[lewdvig]

A dealer in the US just offered me a 2006 Outback Limited (Moonroof, Leather), Homelink & Compass, upgraded security, bumper guards, cargo nets, console extension and trunk tray for at drive-away price of $24,250 US! That includes a $2000 US customer cash incentive (subtracted directly rom the non-haggle price of $26,250.

We didn't even negotiate. I simply asked him "what's your best driveaway price".

Holy mackerel.

If I wait a few more weeks, he says he might do even better as he gets the word to clear out the 2006s from Subaru of America.

That car with that trim level is about $42,000 if bought in Canada, right?

[Prof]

Anyone else have experiences dealing with Toyota dealers near the boarder? I can't see why they would turn away customers...
I've been reading this thread with interest since I have family in the States. The Carsdirect (http://www.carsdirect.com/home) website, along with Edmunds (http://www.edmunds.com/), I've found helpful to get pricing that takes incentives into account. Often, as others here have found, the prices are much cheaper in the US. Interestingly though, at least in the areas I've checked, Toyota prices at sticking close to MSRP. For the most part, they're still cheaper, but apparently there isn't a lot of flexibility on price. Sounds a lot like home. :)

[DrkMnX]

If I buy a used car in the US will I have to pay their state tax even though I'm Canadian? For example the sales tax on cars in New Jersey is 6%, will I be required to pay that?

[crasher]

If I buy a used car in the US will I have to pay their state tax even though I'm Canadian? For example the sales tax on cars in New Jersey is 6%, will I be required to pay that?
No

[i8thesandbox]

I would love to know which cars over the past few years that were manufactured in North America. This would give me a better idea of knowing if any of my favorite Honda's Toyota's etc were manufactured here to save the extra 6+%.
Anyone have a list or a weblink?

[dzen]

I haven't read the whole post....no time. But to answer a few queries.

I bought my 2006 BMW 330i in the US. It was a few months old, and I saved over $10 000 CDN. BMW USA won't allow sellers to sell brand new BMWs to some one who will register it with a CDN address. You can however buy a "used" BMW with no restrictions. My car was "used" but only for a few months.

MSRP differences for brand new bimmers are close to $8000 difference. Well worth it.

It took me about a month to coordinate as I flew to the US to drive my car back over and getting a trip license required have the ownership and insurance on the car. This quite tedious to coordinate but if you're going to save big money, it's well worth it. I have no regrets.

Hope this helps...
Gymee


So did you pay the state tax? I believe you did have to pay 6% duty, right?

[iceage]

Anybody got it in the writing?

[Monsieurmaggot]

Contrary to what any US dealer might tell you (those who are not volume dealers) there is NO US TAX payable on a car that will be export to Canada.

The dealers I spoke to asked for proof of Canadian residency (valid Canadian drivers' license is all it takes) and they indicate this in the invoice.

There are plenty of websites that indicate where cars are assembled.

There are links in this post indicating where to find this information.

The a good place to find information for importing Subarus into Canada is www.cars101.com/canada.html.

The links within that site apply to many other manufacturers.

[aZnRYcEbOi]

Anyone know if Nissan/Infiniti's warranty is transferrable to Canada?

[Monsieurmaggot]

Looks like the Canadian Subaru dealers have approached Subaru Canada to void the warranty on US purchased vehicles.

If Subaru Canada decides to do that am I don't want to travel to Buffalo for service, I know third-party warranty programs are available.

Does anyone have any links for information on those warranty programs?

[Rehan]

If Subaru Canada decides to do that am I don't want to travel to Buffalo for service, I know third-party warranty programs are available.

Does anyone have any links for information on those warranty programs? Third-party warranty programs like Warranty Direct (http://www.warrantydirect.com/warrantydirect/warranty_faq.asp) and Warrantybynet (http://www.warrantybynet.com/FAQs/faq_4.asp) typically don't cover "grey market" vehicles, which a Subaru import may qualify as. I don't know if there are any third-party programs that will completely replace a manufacturer's warranty.

But I wouldn't bother with one anyway. Chances are that you'll pay in to it more than you will get out. (That applies to all insurance/extended warranty programs, otherwise the companies that provide them would not be in business.)

[MMMM]

I spent considerable time looking at warrenties offered in Canada as honda warrenties do not cross the border. Also you can not take the vehicle back to the states for warrenty work unless its regestired in the US. Each car manufacturer is different on this issue and this point has been well discussed previously in this thread. Do you need a warrenty? Often the savings on the vehicle are considerable and should cover any repairs. We did purchase a three year bumper to bumper warrenty leaving us with 3900 in savings on a new vehicle after taxes.


I looked at each company to see who the underwriter is.
Check the BBB for complaints.
Ensure they pay the repair centre direct for repairs.
No reputable US comapnies offer coverage in canada Yet. Soon http://www.warrantydirect.com/ will


I used http://www.securewarranty.ca for an aftermarket warrenty. Like many of the larger US warrenty companies they offer a money back guarentee if the warrenty is not used. They offer warrenties through dealers not direct. You can take the car anywhere for service.

[eXpedite]

Okay, here's my question...
Say I'm looking for an Infinity G35. I look at the Vehicle Admissibility PDF (http://www.riv.ca/english/US_vehicle_admissibility.pdf) on the RIV website and I see that all 1991-2006 models are OK except for the ones in the "inadmissable" column (which it's not there...)

Then I look over at the "Notes" column, and I see the following: "Vehicles equipped with passive restraints do not meet CMVSS 210, seat belt anchorage location requirements. Passive restraints are identified as either a motorized upper torso restraint or door mounted 3-point restraint."

Well, how do I figure this out?
Also - while I know it was already posted somewhere waaay back there, can someone advise how to figure out where a vehicle was built? (to see if you have to pay the duty?)

Thanks!

[iceage]

Looks like the Canadian Subaru dealers have approached Subaru Canada to void the warranty on US purchased vehicles.

If Subaru Canada decides to do that am I don't want to travel to Buffalo for service, I know third-party warranty programs are available.

Does anyone have any links for information on those warranty programs?

I am kind of worried about warranties.

[ottawadeals]

My brother is down in Boston visiting and wants to bring a new 2007 Toyota Camry from down there. I have been reading this post since the beginning but I still don't know how to get temporary permit/plates for him. Can I get temp permit from Ontario and use it to bring a new car from US? One of the requirements for getting a temp permit from Ontario is an original permit which we do not have. Also my brother said that one dealer in Bostom said that Massachussetts does not have temporary permits. I saw in earlier posts that Washington State had 3 day temp permit which you can use to bring the car to Canada but I don't know how to do this from Massachussetts.

[ruvz]

and yet another variable... if a U.S car (U.S plated) is brought across the border by the owner (for a visit, not an import), what would be the process to buy it and get it registered in Ontario?

[GSD]

and yet another variable... if a U.S car (U.S plated) is brought across the border by the owner (for a visit, not an import), what would be the process to buy it and get it registered in Ontario?

One would presume the sales transaction would have to go thru the state licencing office where the vehicle is currently registered and then there would need to be a disclosure that the vehicle is being sold to someone outside the US in order to not incur state taxes. Then all the regular Canadian stuff as mentioned earlier.

[michelb]

and yet another variable... if a U.S car (U.S plated) is brought across the border by the owner (for a visit, not an import), what would be the process to buy it and get it registered in Ontario?

Before it's imported in Canada, it has to be exported from the States so you'd have to return to the US, go to customs there, bring them the title and other required paperwork 72hours prior to actual export and then follow all the procedures described above.

[cannon_fodder]

How do you get insurance for your vehicle so you can drive it back across the border? Do you have to plan on being there for a few days while you figure out what particular model you are purchasing (so you can get the VIN #) and give the insurance company enough time to get it set up? I've assumed that I'm going down to Buffalo for a particular model, but I don't know which specific car I'm going to buy thus I can't provide any information beforehand.

I haven't purchased a vehicle in over 10 years so I forget how long it takes to get insurance...

[crasher]

How do you get insurance for your vehicle so you can drive it back across the border? Do you have to plan on being there for a few days while you figure out what particular model you are purchasing (so you can get the VIN #) and give the insurance company enough time to get it set up? I've assumed that I'm going down to Buffalo for a particular model, but I don't know which specific car I'm going to buy thus I can't provide any information beforehand.

I haven't purchased a vehicle in over 10 years so I forget how long it takes to get insurance...
Your existing ontario policy should cover any additional vehicle you buy for 14 days. The coverage remains same as of your existing vehicle.

[6millions]

Also - while I know it was already posted somewhere waaay back there, can someone advise how to figure out where a vehicle was built? (to see if you have to pay the duty?)

Thanks!

From wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_identification_number)

1, 4, 5 = United States
2 = Canada
3 = Mexico
J = Japan
SN-ST, W = Germany
...

[ertman]

Looks like the Canadian Subaru dealers have approached Subaru Canada to void the warranty on US purchased vehicles.

If Subaru Canada decides to do that am I don't want to travel to Buffalo for service, I know third-party warranty programs are available.

Does anyone have any links for information on those warranty programs?

Where did you hear this? Do you have a link?

[Monsieurmaggot]

I was told by two Ontario dealers that they are pitching to have Subaru Canada not honour warranties on US cars bought by Canadians (unless they have proof they were US citizens when the car was purchased).

I am not interested or worried about that statement but I thought I would pass it along. The savings are just too great.

Last night I visited yet another Ontario dealer who told me that Subaru doesn't really care where I buy the car as long as it's a Subaru. His best offer for a Limited with options is still $6000 more than two New York State dealers I spoke to.

One large WNY dealer tells me he's sold about a dozen high-performance Imprezas to Torontonians in the last year. Those cars are roughly $10,000 cheaper there.

[ertman]

I was told by two Ontario dealers that they are pitching to have Subaru Canada not honour warranties on US cars bought by Canadians (unless they have proof they were US citizens when the car was purchased).

[snip]

Last night I visited yet another Ontario dealer who told me that Subaru doesn't really car where I buy the car as long as it's a Subaru. His best offer for a Limited with options is still $6000 more than two New York State dealers I spoke to.


The dealerships should really be asking Subaru Canada to lower the prices on the cars instead of voiding the warranties. The dealerships simply can not match the US prices since Subaru Canada sets the prices that the dealerships in Canada must pay.

I'm sure that the Canadian dealerships would love to be able to buy truckloads of the cheaper cars from Subaru USA, but that's a sure-fire way to have your dealer license revoked!

[raid-5]

I want to get an Rsx-typeS

Canada sell for $33400. us for $24460

that's almost 10k it's considerably cheaper as you said.

plz add my msn: yihua_t@hotmail.com
Thanks

[Agent_J]

I want to get an Rsx-typeS

Canada sell for $33400. us for $24460

that's almost 10k it's considerably cheaper as you said.

plz add my msn: yihua_t@hotmail.com
Thanks
who do you want to add your MSN? spammers :lol: ?

[Monsieurmaggot]

The RSX Type S invoice price is $21,754 USD.

Depending on your dealers' motivation, and the demand, you can get anywhere from $500 lower than invoice to $500 above with no haggling.

I was quoted a US car for $500 below invoice with tons of accesories thrown in.

Generic RSX pricing:

Base model:

http://www.edmunds.com/new/2006/acura/rsx/100613222/prices.html

RSX model:

http://autos.yahoo.com/newcars/acura_rsx_types6spdmtwleather_2006/17703/style_overview.html

[Faeton]

BMW USA offers the European Delivery (http://www.bmwusa.com/bmwexperience/EuropeanDelivery/default.htm), in which you can save even more money by taking the delivery of the car in Germany (up to $5k), spend a week or so there driving around Europe (Autobahn!), then importing the car to the USA as a used vehicle to bypass the duties levied on new imported cars. Since you've driven it in Europe, it's considered used!

Then you could import it to Canada for further savings! Not 100% if that would work, as you might need a US based address/license.

Sounds like a really cool program, too bad BMW Canada doesn't have this yet.. and no M cars either by the looks of it.

[IceMan77]

I haven't read the whole post....no time. But to answer a few queries.

I bought my 2006 BMW 330i in the US. It was a few months old, and I saved over $10 000 CDN. BMW USA won't allow sellers to sell brand new BMWs to some one who will register it with a CDN address. You can however buy a "used" BMW with no restrictions. My car was "used" but only for a few months.

MSRP differences for brand new bimmers are close to $8000 difference. Well worth it.

It took me about a month to coordinate as I flew to the US to drive my car back over and getting a trip license required have the ownership and insurance on the car. This quite tedious to coordinate but if you're going to save big money, it's well worth it. I have no regrets.

Hope this helps...
Gymee


Yes, could you please explain the entire process you went through. Also, how does the maintenance warranty transfer over or does it even transfer?

Do you mind if you disclose how you paid for it? I'm assuming you were not able to finance or lease it as it's a US car right? Thanks.

[Monsieurmaggot]

The Western New York Subaru dealer I'm dealing with tells me that in order to qualify for US financing, you need a Social Security Number and a 3-year work history. Since I am a non-US resident, I was told that I can't apply for any financing incentives but would automatically get the cashback ($2000 US) price discounted of the pre-sale. You would need to take out a personal loan or use a cash payment. In the States financing works differently than here. If you have a bad credit history or none whatsoever, you get a higher interest rate.

Interestingly the more I read about this the cheaper it gets. The cost to import is actually around $200.

I found these super-dealers in Ontario border communities. They sell various brands and will export to Canada.

http://www.northtownauto.com/
http://www.williamsautoworld.com/en_US/
http://www.thinkthelen.com/

[TheZodiac]

I was crusing threw Craiglist and saw this post there...if anyone is looking for a Civic, dam i wish i had the cash to buy this.

2006 Honda Civic LX - $17338
Reply to: sale-181013316@craigslist.org
Date: 2006-07-11, 11:30PM EDT


We have 2006 Honda Civic LX priced at $17,338 on our lot. Your drive out cost would be $17,487 and we will have a recall letter for you to show the border as well as fax all the necessary information to the border 72 hours prior to delivery. If you have any questions, please feel free to email me. We deliver a minimum of 10 vehicles to Canada a month and with the dollor weakening, you can't get a better deal right now in Canada. As far as the warranty is concerned, all warranty work can be done in Canada! It all depends on the dealership that you get your vehicle worked on in Canada, it is up to THEM whether or not they want to send the warranty work to us in the States. For further details, just email me. Thanks! I look forward to helping you save some money!

Sincerely,
Wyatt

* This item has been posted by-dealer.
* this is in or around Grand Forks, North Dakota
* yes -- it's ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests

[nanirina]

My brother is down in Boston visiting and wants to bring a new 2007 Toyota Camry from down there. I have been reading this post since the beginning but I still don't know how to get temporary permit/plates for him. Can I get temp permit from Ontario and use it to bring a new car from US? One of the requirements for getting a temp permit from Ontario is an original permit which we do not have. Also my brother said that one dealer in Bostom said that Massachussetts does not have temporary permits. I saw in earlier posts that Washington State had 3 day temp permit which you can use to bring the car to Canada but I don't know how to do this from Massachussetts.
You can't even bring the 2007 camry into canada yet.
It's not on the list of admissable vehicles according to RIV> They haven't updated to include 2007 models of Camry.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I would call RIV as I would be very surprised if that model wasn't permissible.

When I called them a few weeks ago regarding a Subaru, they told me they have a running list of new permissible cars that have yet to make the list. I was told the list will be updated in time.

RIV does not generate the list. It is generated by Transport Canada.

Here's the Transport Canada link outlining import rules (for US or overseas imports):

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/menu.htm

[EricMat]

The Western New York Subaru dealer I'm dealing with tells me that in order to qualify for US financing, you need a Social Security Number and a 3-year work history. Since I am a non-US resident, I was told that I can't apply for any financing incentives but would automatically get the cashback ($2000 US) price discounted of the pre-sale. You would need to take out a personal loan or use a cash payment. In the States financing works differently than here. If you have a bad credit history or none whatsoever, you get a higher interest rate.


The best rate I found so far is 7.00% @ PC Financial (http://www.banking.pcfinancial.ca/a/rates/allPurposeLoanRate.page) for a 60 months term.

Please let us know if you find a better deal!

[algrande]

I was told by two Ontario dealers that they are pitching to have Subaru Canada not honour warranties on US cars bought by Canadians (unless they have proof they were US citizens when the car was purchased).


This is probably more BS from a canadian Subaru dealer. I don't know why the Canadian dealers would care. They make way more money on warranty work than they do on the sale. I have owed many, many subarus. If they void my warranty on my US purchased Outback, I will NEVER buy a Subaru again!!!!!!!!!!! Also someone will probably file a lawsuit.

[michelb]

The best rate I found so far is 7.00% @ PC Financial (http://www.banking.pcfinancial.ca/a/rates/allPurposeLoanRate.page) for a 60 months term.

Please let us know if you find a better deal!

I haven't looked into it at all so if it's something you are interested in, don't go by my say and do more research on it but I'm 99% sure that you cannot export a car with a lien on it so you cannot get a car loan for a car you buy in the US and then plan on importing into Canada unless you plan on paying it off when you import it (which would kind of defeat the purpose of getting the loan to begin with).

[nanirina]

I called RIV. They told me unless the vehicle is on that list, it cannot be imported into canada. If it's a new vehicle, we have to wiat till it is on that list to import.
I would call RIV as I would be very surprised if that model wasn't permissible.

When I called them a few weeks ago regarding a Subaru, they told me they have a running list of new permissible cars that have yet to make the list. I was told the list will be updated in time.

RIV does not generate the list. It is generated by Transport Canada.

Here's the Transport Canada link outlining import rules (for US or overseas imports):

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/menu.htm

[Sybersport]

This is probably more BS from a canadian Subaru dealer. I don't know why the Canadian dealers would care. They make way more money on warranty work than they do on the sale. I have owed many, many subarus. If they void my warranty on my US purchased Outback, I will NEVER buy a Subaru again!!!!!!!!!!! Also someone will probably file a lawsuit.

Don't get me started on Subaru dealers... :mad:

And this is just a classic case of a new car dealer not understanding that going forward, with the reliability of newer cars, there will be an increasing need for parts/service work in order to generate enough revenue to run their business. That means that ANY car they can get into their dealership, for ANY reason, is a blessing.

The old business model, where cars sold themselves and there was more warranty work that a dealer knew what to do with, are loooooooooong gone.

Unless you own a Toyota dealership :lol: But even then, it won't last forever.

[simms]

Lexus Lexus! Anyone contacted Lexus to see if a warranty would transfer over?


And everyone's talking about dealers.. what about private auto sales from person to person? How are you supposed to get the required forms then?

[Monsieurmaggot]

The Lexus warranty is transferable to Canada but you lose one year.

The American warranty is four years.

Found this on invoice pricing. Significant savings buying from US.

http://autos.yahoo.com/newcars/lexus.html


Warranty information from the Canadian Lexus Website:

Warranty Application:
Warranty is applicable to any vehicle registered in Canada and normally operated within Canada or the United States mainland.

Personally I would never buy a private sale purchase in the US unless it's an old muscle car. The risk is too great.

[malstew]

Has anyone changed the speedometer from mph to km/h?

[tryinginvain]

And everyone's talking about dealers.. what about private auto sales from person to person? How are you supposed to get the required forms then?

This is what I would like to know. I would like to privately buy a used car and import it but I'm still not clear on how I would do that. I have a friend in Arkansas so I'm thinking about getting him to help me find the car. He could make a deposit or something and I could go down and pick it up but I'm not exactly sure how I get the manufacturer letter and send all the forms to the border 3 days before I'd get there. Or, where I get the temp permit without a dealer. Does anyone have a link to a faq outlining the process for buying a car privately?

tryinginvain

[squigly1]

BMW USA offers the European Delivery (http://www.bmwusa.com/bmwexperience/EuropeanDelivery/default.htm), in which you can save even more money by taking the delivery of the car in Germany (up to $5k), spend a week or so there driving around Europe (Autobahn!), then importing the car to the USA as a used vehicle to bypass the duties levied on new imported cars. Since you've driven it in Europe, it's considered used!

Then you could import it to Canada for further savings! Not 100% if that would work, as you might need a US based address/license.

Sounds like a really cool program, too bad BMW Canada doesn't have this yet.. and no M cars either by the looks of it.

From what I understand Canadians cannot do ED thru the US. Something about a requirement that the purchaser is a US citizen. If you could there would still be the 6.1% duty as the car was manufactured out of North America.

Canada does have an ED program but it is nothing like it is down south. Actually, you end up paying more than buying from the local Canadian dealer, though you do get a trip to europe and cruising in the car on the Autobahn.

Having said all that, you can purchase the BMW for quite a bit of savings from a US dealer. You keep the warranty but do lose the maintenance.

[Beradon]

I haven't looked into it at all so if it's something you are interested in, don't go by my say and do more research on it but I'm 99% sure that you cannot export a car with a lien on it so you cannot get a car loan for a car you buy in the US and then plan on importing into Canada unless you plan on paying it off when you import it (which would kind of defeat the purpose of getting the loan to begin with).The PC financial loan isn't specifically a car loan per say. In fact you can do what you want with that money and the only person that needs to know how you're going to use that loan is you.

[Rehan]

I haven't looked into it at all so if it's something you are interested in, don't go by my say and do more research on it but I'm 99% sure that you cannot export a car with a lien on it so you cannot get a car loan for a car you buy in the US and then plan on importing into Canada unless you plan on paying it off when you import it (which would kind of defeat the purpose of getting the loan to begin with). When my wife and I imported her 1996 vehicle to Canada in 1998, there was still a lien on it from the financing company. We had no problems getting that into Canada, so maybe it's okay to have a lien on the car.

[iceage]

You can't even bring the 2007 camry into canada yet.
It's not on the list of admissable vehicles according to RIV> They haven't updated to include 2007 models of Camry.

I was wondering how come 07 camry is not on RIV list. Seems I have to wait. I lean more on camry.

[dzen]

BMW USA offers the European Delivery (http://www.bmwusa.com/bmwexperience/EuropeanDelivery/default.htm), in which you can save even more money by taking the delivery of the car in Germany (up to $5k), spend a week or so there driving around Europe (Autobahn!), then importing the car to the USA as a used vehicle to bypass the duties levied on new imported cars. Since you've driven it in Europe, it's considered used!

Then you could import it to Canada for further savings! Not 100% if that would work, as you might need a US based address/license.

Sounds like a really cool program, too bad BMW Canada doesn't have this yet.. and no M cars either by the looks of it.

Canada does have european delivery.

[MMMM]

The following poster details the process of purchasing a used BMW in the states. Well written and very clear.

http://www.maxbimmer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50332

[michelb]

When my wife and I imported her 1996 vehicle to Canada in 1998, there was still a lien on it from the financing company. We had no problems getting that into Canada, so maybe it's okay to have a lien on the car.

That's interesting, like I said, I never researched it much but thought I had been told or saw something that it had to be free of liens before you can export/import. Perhaps this is something that depends on the specific state the car is purchased it (I thought when I was in Florida that the title of a car with a lien on it was actually labelled like that).

Also in the link from the fellow who imported a BMW (just above), he also claims that it has to be lien free.

Logically, I would be very surprised if you could export a car with a lien since it would pretty much nullify the effect of the lien. The lien is placed on the title to prevent sale without first paying off the lien - if the car is exported, the lien becomes worthless.

[kaddy69]

The RSX Type S invoice price is $21,754 USD.

Depending on your dealers' motivation, and the demand, you can get anywhere from $500 lower than invoice to $500 above with no haggling.

I was quoted a US car for $500 below invoice with tons of accesories thrown in.

Generic RSX pricing:

Base model:

http://www.edmunds.com/new/2006/acura/rsx/100613222/prices.html

RSX model:

http://autos.yahoo.com/newcars/acura_rsx_types6spdmtwleather_2006/17703/style_overview.html


Honda won't honor the warranty though!!
I'd like to buy one out of warranty if possible.

Type S base:
CANADA is: $34,680 CND
USA is: $23,845 US (~$26,977 CDN)

Base model
CANADA: $28,480 CDN
USA: $20,325 US (~$23,000)

The Type S model is ridiculously over priced!

[aZnRYcEbOi]

Honda won't honor the warranty though!!
I'd like to buy one out of warranty if possible.

Type S base:
CANADA is: $34,680 CND
USA is: $23,845 US (~$26,977 CDN)

Base model
CANADA: $28,480 CDN
USA: $20,325 US (~$23,000)

The Type S model is ridiculously over priced!

In addition, I believe honda/acura dealers aren't allowed to sell new vehicles to Canadians. This was confirmed by a sales manager from Ray Laks Acura in Buffalo, when he was quoted in the Toronto Star article. They're allowed to sell used vehicles to Canadians though.

[simms]

Again, no one has any idea about buying from private sellers?

[michelb]

Again, no one has any idea about buying from private sellers?

You need to re-read the whole thread cause there's been lots of discussion about private sellers (hint: it makes no difference).

[Monsieurmaggot]

As michelb pointed out, buy privately in the US has no bearing on whether a vehicle can be imported.

I would check the RIV site to see if it's allowed into Canada.

I would imagine there would be more paperwork involved in getting a used car in.

You would need a recall certificate, proof of title history, bill of sale (which if too low would result in Customs using the Kelly book value)

[tryinginvain]

As michelb pointed out, buy privately in the US has no bearing on whether a vehicle can be imported.

I would check the RIV site to see if it's allowed into Canada.

I would imagine there would be more paperwork involved in getting a used car in.

You would need a recall certificate, proof of title history, bill of sale (which if too low would result in Customs using the Kelly book value)


I'm not clear on where/how you would get a temp permit to drive it back home. I assume you couldn't go to the local dmv since you are registering it there.

[coolspot]

I like to buy a Subaru - anyone have a list of NY state Subaru dealers that sell to Canadians? Perferrably near Buffalo/Erie.

Thanks.

[Monsieurmaggot]

You cannot drive a car in NY State without "transit" or temporary plates.

I believe the cost is $45 USD for a 30-day permit.

This gives you plenty of time to register the car in Canada.

Coolspot, if you're looking for a Subaru dealer in Buffalo, try Northtown. I posted a link in an earlier post.

They have the export process down pat. The sales guy I'm dealing with is very familiar with the process.

[nanirina]

You cannot drive a car in NY State without "transit" or temporary plates.

I believe the cost is $45 USD for a 30-day permit.

This gives you plenty of time to register the car in Canada.

Coolspot, if you're looking for a Subaru dealer in Buffalo, try Northtown. I posted a link in an earlier post.

They have the export process down pat. The sales guy I'm dealing with is very familiar with the process.
One person from Northtown said he wont' sell new cars to Canadians. Are you buying a new or used card?

[Monsieurmaggot]

I am buying a new Subaru.

Northtown specializes in selling to Canadians.

I guess it depends on who you're speaking to.

Ask for the Sales Manager or senior sales rep.

Originally when I spoke to one of their newer sales reps. they were unwilling to sell to me as well.

[Bigbob85]

I'm not clear on where/how you would get a temp permit to drive it back home. I assume you couldn't go to the local dmv since you are registering it there.

Buying a temp permit in the state of purchase can cost you the tax, in some states, others like Illinois have a temp just to get your car out of state back to home. Cost $12 I believe.

I just got back Thursday from picking up a truck inFlorida. It was really painless and I got a temp permit here from Ontario that I took with me.

[EricMat]

Buying a temp permit in the state of purchase can cost you the tax, in some states, others like Illinois have a temp just to get your car out of state back to home. Cost $12 I believe.

Could you please tell me where to get the temp permit? Directly from the US dealer? I'll drive to Massachussets next week to pick up my Sonata and it's the only question that remains unanswered for my small roadtrip...

Thanks

Eric

[Realrena]

Funny..why the admissibility list didnt list Nissian Skyline R34? Does that mean it's ok to import that?

[michelb]

Buying a temp permit in the state of purchase can cost you the tax, in some states, others like Illinois have a temp just to get your car out of state back to home. Cost $12 I believe.

I just got back Thursday from picking up a truck inFlorida. It was really painless and I got a temp permit here from Ontario that I took with me.

Hi, can you elaborate on what you needed to get the temp permit in Ontario - I always assumed that you wouldn't be able to get an Ontario temp permit without first doing the import and ownership transfer. What exactly did you have to show them?

Thanks.

[Monsieurmaggot]

If you buy a call from a new call dealer in New York, as part of the purchase agreement they will get you a temporary permit (cost is $45 USD).

To get them read this: http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/register.htm

It says: "If you were not a resident of NYS when the vehicle was purchased, use form DTF-803 to receive a non-resident exemption from NYS sales tax. Form DTF-803 defines the terms "non-resident" and "resident".


If you live in Ontario and you want to use temporary provincial plates, you can go to:

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/temp.htm

It does say you need the following to get the 10-day trip permit:

- your original fit vehicle permit;
- if the permit is not registered in your name, a Bill of Sale from the person named on the permit to you, if available;
- if the vehicle is registered as unfit, a Safety Standards Certificate (SSC) is also required;
- name of your insurance company and policy number.

[Bigbob85]

Hi, can you elaborate on what you needed to get the temp permit in Ontario - I always assumed that you wouldn't be able to get an Ontario temp permit without first doing the import and ownership transfer. What exactly did you have to show them?

Thanks.

I showed an original title (had it UPS'd to me), bill of sale and proof of insurance. I was worried about the safety but it can't be done since Florida has no safeties when they transfer. It is based on clean title (or rebuild or salvage)

Now this transfer I did was for a used car not a new purchase.

[ottawadeals]

How do we get the following for a new vehicle from US.

- your original fit vehicle permit;

[Bigbob85]

I am basing my transaction from Florida. YMMV from state to state. I bought the truck so as part of the deal I had the seller UPS me the title completed for transfer.

[nanirina]

Funny..why the admissibility list didnt list Nissian Skyline R34? Does that mean it's ok to import that?
uhh.. no..

if the riv list doens't list it.. u CAN'T import it.

[nanirina]

I am buying a new Subaru.

Northtown specializes in selling to Canadians.

I guess it depends on who you're speaking to.

Ask for the Sales Manager or senior sales rep.

Originally when I spoke to one of their newer sales reps. they were unwilling to sell to me as well.
excellent news! who was ur sales guy? I''ll call him up!

[Kwirky]

uhh.. no..

if the riv list doens't list it.. u CAN'T import it.

Well, although the RIV does say (under Nissan) "all 1991 to 2006 models except.." and the Skyline isn't on the exclusions list, the RIV only lists cars that are sold in the US - the Skyline has never been sold in the US.

Remember the RIV only covers cars that were sold NEW in the US market.

[michelb]

I showed an original title (had it UPS'd to me), bill of sale and proof of insurance. I was worried about the safety but it can't be done since Florida has no safeties when they transfer. It is based on clean title (or rebuild or salvage)

Now this transfer I did was for a used car not a new purchase.

Thanks for the additional info. That's perfect.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Hi Nanirina:

I just sent you a PM with the Northtown Sales rep. who deals exclusively with Canadian buyers.

[nanirina]

Hi Nanirina:

I just sent you a PM with the Northtown Sales rep. who deals exclusively with Canadian buyers.
Thank you! Can you not receive PM? I tried to reply you but RFD says you can't receive PM.

[NeonV]

to Monsieurmaggot and Nanirina:

why u guys insist on getting Subaru if the warranty is not transferable? Cause the warranty is very important thing of buying a car, i mean so many things will go worng, even it is a "new" car.
There are many choices on the market there.

[nanirina]

to Monsieurmaggot and Nanirina:

why u guys insist on getting Subaru if the warranty is not transferable? Cause the warranty is very important thing of buying a car, i mean so many things will go worng, even it is a "new" car.
There are many choices on the market there.
i don't know about monsieurmaggot but i'm getting a toyota from the same dealer since they're also a toyota dealer

[NeonV]

ok, just curious. thx

[ertman]

Who said Subaru warranties are not transferable?

Before I bought my Subaru, I called Subaru Canada - not a dealership - and they told me the warranty is honoured in Canada.

I specifically asked what paperwork I need to fill out to transfer the warranty and they said it doesn't actually get transferred, I just need to take it to a dealership in Canada if I need any work done. They also told me to make sure Subaru USA has my address so they can send me recall notices.

As for financing, I told the bank exactly what I was doing and they gave me the money. The dealership asked me if there were going to be any leins, I told them yes, and they wrote that info on the back of the Certificate of Origin. No mention of it at the border.

No, you can't get financing through the US dealership, which is probably a good thing. My parents bought a car while they were living in the US, then moved back to Canada. By the time they moved, the CDN dollar was falling really low and they had to keep paying for the car in US dollars. As the dollar fell lower, their monthly payment kept going up in Canadian dollars. I don't remember why they didn't refinance. But this could happen to you if you were to try getting US financing. The whole point is to take advantage of the currently high CDN dollar, not to have fluctuating payments every month.

[Rehan]

Who said Subaru warranties are not transferable?

Before I bought my Subaru, I called Subaru Canada - not a dealership - and they told me the warranty is honoured in Canada. Nobody. But what someone said earlier is that some Canadian Subaru dealers are supposedly pushing Subara Canada to not honor/transfer the warranty on imported vehicles.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I was the one who said that Canadian Subaru dealers are asking Subaru Canada not to honour the warranty. This information came to me in the form of an email from a GTA car dealer.

At this point, the warranty is completely transferable.

I just saw the postings for the 2007 Subarus. They are actually cheaper than the 2006s. http://www.cars101.com/subaru/outback/outback2007.html
The pricing is from Carter Subaru in Washington state. They are Subaru's #1 volume Subaru dealer in the US.

This from the Subaru US website:

"CHERRY HILL, N.J., June 27 /PRNewswire/ -- Subaru of America, Inc. is honoring Carter Subaru of Seattle for 30 years of outstanding sales and service. As the number one Subaru dealer in the country in total parts and service volume and sales..."

I can get a LLBean (top of the line model) from them for about $3000 more than the 2.5i Limited. The cost is about $29k USD. This model isn't available in Canada but the closest thing (the 3.O VDC) is $48K. That's a considerable price difference.

The models I am looking at (2.5i Limited or LL Bean) costs about $8k - $15k cheaper in the US.

Frankly for that difference in price, the warranty is of no consequence.

Most Canadian car dealers really have no idea how to compete in the age of information. They provide you with information that sometimes is downright wrong. They cry "foul" and blame the corporate office when you mention the Internet to them. They don't stand together to work out better pricing for the Canadian consumer. I am quite disgusted with Canadian Subaru dealers.

I can't say how the other makers are as I am not interested in their product lines. I did read that GM has more realistic pricing in Canada. I can see why they are the #1 car maker in the world.

You don't become a volume dealer by simply hanging a corporate emblem on your property.

[ertman]

I haven't looked into it at all so if it's something you are interested in, don't go by my say and do more research on it but I'm 99% sure that you cannot export a car with a lien on it so you cannot get a car loan for a car you buy in the US and then plan on importing into Canada unless you plan on paying it off when you import it (which would kind of defeat the purpose of getting the loan to begin with).

Our bank had no problem with it, they even wired the money to the dealership in the US for us. The US border and the Canadian border folks had no problem with it either. There is a shiny new Subaru in our driveway today...

[aZnRYcEbOi]

Has anyone looked into importing Nissan's?

Does anyone know if the Nissan dealers in Buffalo will sell new vehicles to Canadians?

According to google maps, there are 4 dealers in Buffalo
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=l&hl=en&q=nissan&near=buffalo,+ny&ie=UTF8&om=1

- Barney Mike Nissan, 3676 Sheridan Dr, Amherst, NY, (716) 833-9888
- Auto Place: Nissan Auto Place, 8137 Main St, Williamsville, NY, (716) 633-9900
- Cappellino's Niagara Nissan, 6069 S Transit Rd, Lockport, NY, (716) 625-8889
-Westherr Nissan, 3580 Southwestrn Blvd, Orchard Park, NY, (716) 662-2839

[michelb]

Our bank had no problem with it, they even wired the money to the dealership in the US for us. The US border and the Canadian border folks had no problem with it either. There is a shiny new Subaru in our driveway today...

Thanks for the info. Sounds like you got your bank in Canada to finance your purchase in the US which isn't really what the others were asking. I believe they were asking if you could get financed through the US dealership and/or US bank.

Good to know that CND banks will finance US purchases though - thanks again for the info.

Mike

[iceage]

I just saw the postings for the 2007 Subarus. They are actually cheaper than the 2006s. .

but i decided to buy a camry.

[Mike71]

I'm thinking of importing this car into Canada. What do you guys think?

http://a137.g.akamai.net/n/137/3538/20060713163003/www.cars.com/photo300-ad/Recycler/45382438.jpg

About This 350Z
Mileage: 15,000 Exterior Color: Black Stock #: 606255 Engine: 3.5L Transmission: 6-Speed Manual

2005 NISSAN 350Z 15M, 3.5, air, pw, c.c., premium sound, all black color, allloys, rear spioler, 6 spd manual, xlnt shape, must see - 818-349-9782, #606255 BEST PRICE, $18,600

This is by far the best price I have seen for a 350Z, especially a 2005 one. They list for about 42+ in Canada, and this would end up being about 21000 + GST plus RIV and inspection fees. And none of you clowns try to steal my car cause I found it first!! :D

[rainmaker]

Wow! Now that is a hot deal for a 350Z!

It definitely makes me interested in importing from US now.

[m00j]

I'm thinking of importing this car into Canada. What do you guys think?

http://a137.g.akamai.net/n/137/3538/20060713163003/www.cars.com/photo300-ad/Recycler/45382438.jpg

About This 350Z
Mileage: 15,000 Exterior Color: Black Stock #: 606255 Engine: 3.5L Transmission: 6-Speed Manual

2005 NISSAN 350Z 15M, 3.5, air, pw, c.c., premium sound, all black color, allloys, rear spioler, 6 spd manual, xlnt shape, must see - 818-349-9782, #606255 BEST PRICE, $18,600

This is by far the best price I have seen for a 350Z, especially a 2005 one. They list for about 42+ in Canada, and this would end up being about 21000 + GST plus RIV and inspection fees. And none of you clowns try to steal my car cause I found it first!! :D


Good GOD, i just jizzed my pants!!!! crap have to find a new pair!!!! >:(

[DISH]

Based on the price it's probably been involved in an accident.

Don't forget to add the 6.1% duty because the 350z/G35 are assembled in Japan


I'm thinking of importing this car into Canada. What do you guys think?

http://a137.g.akamai.net/n/137/3538/20060713163003/www.cars.com/photo300-ad/Recycler/45382438.jpg

About This 350Z
Mileage: 15,000 Exterior Color: Black Stock #: 606255 Engine: 3.5L Transmission: 6-Speed Manual

2005 NISSAN 350Z 15M, 3.5, air, pw, c.c., premium sound, all black color, allloys, rear spioler, 6 spd manual, xlnt shape, must see - 818-349-9782, #606255 BEST PRICE, $18,600

This is by far the best price I have seen for a 350Z, especially a 2005 one. They list for about 42+ in Canada, and this would end up being about 21000 + GST plus RIV and inspection fees. And none of you clowns try to steal my car cause I found it first!! :D

[dzen]

Thanks for the info. Sounds like you got your bank in Canada to finance your purchase in the US which isn't really what the others were asking. I believe they were asking if you could get financed through the US dealership and/or US bank.

Good to know that CND banks will finance US purchases though - thanks again for the info.

Mike


I found out that finacing from the US banks can be a lot easier, faster, competitive, plus sometimes you get better rates. This is for property or business. Don't know about cars but I don't see why not. They will just put a lien on it like anything else.

[mack]

I showed an original title (had it UPS'd to me), bill of sale and proof of insurance. I was worried about the safety but it can't be done since Florida has no safeties when they transfer. It is based on clean title (or rebuild or salvage)

Now this transfer I did was for a used car not a new purchase.


so you bought the car without inspecting it? you paid for it and then went down there to get it? isnt that pretty risky?

[kaddy69]

Can you bring back a car with a SALVAGE TITLE??

[michelb]

Can you bring back a car with a SALVAGE TITLE??

You'll need to do a bit more research on this. Technically, you can import them but it depends on how exactly it was branded (different states put different titles on them). See here (http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/E/pub/cm/cn427/cn427-e.html) for more information on actually importing them. Once you have it imported, to get it licensed requires a bit more work which depends on the province you are plating it in. E.g. in Quebec, an inspector needs to look at the car BEFORE AND AFTER it was repaired so you cannot re-register a car that has been fixed but still has a salvage title (I believe this is to prevent 'title-washing' (or whatever you call it) (i.e. stealing a car and using the VIN / title from a crashed car to sell it)) and they have to go through a very thorough inspection. In Ontario, it sounds like it's quite a bit easier but I was never able to get a straight answer when I looked into it a few years ago.

Good luck and let us know what you find.

[Bigbob85]

so you bought the car without inspecting it? you paid for it and then went down there to get it? isnt that pretty risky?

Mack you sound like my wife. :lol: But short answer is Yes. You have to have faith in the seller thats for sure. Made a decision. Lived with it. Truck drove 1300 miles with no problems. I knew any issues before buying it. Had it Carfaxed (which does not tell you everything). Just waiting to get it safetied. The money I paid saves me more than enough for the safety (I have planned on putting on new brakes) and still saving a few thousand after all expenses.

[mack]

Mack you sound like my wife. :lol: But short answer is Yes. You have to have faith in the seller thats for sure. Made a decision. Lived with it. Truck drove 1300 miles with no problems. I knew any issues before buying it. Had it Carfaxed (which does not tell you everything). Just waiting to get it safetied. The money I paid saves me more than enough for the safety (I have planned on putting on new brakes) and still saving a few thousand after all expenses.


LOL...sorry i dont mean to sound like your wife..but i can just imagine how she reacted when you bought the car without seeing.....anyways...i was just curious of peoples experiences


btw...where is the best place to get a car? i prefer a place without winter? i've been searching Florida and they seem to have a lot.

[aZnRYcEbOi]

I'm thinking of importing this car into Canada. What do you guys think?

http://a137.g.akamai.net/n/137/3538/20060713163003/www.cars.com/photo300-ad/Recycler/45382438.jpg

About This 350Z
Mileage: 15,000 Exterior Color: Black Stock #: 606255 Engine: 3.5L Transmission: 6-Speed Manual

2005 NISSAN 350Z 15M, 3.5, air, pw, c.c., premium sound, all black color, allloys, rear spioler, 6 spd manual, xlnt shape, must see - 818-349-9782, #606255 BEST PRICE, $18,600

This is by far the best price I have seen for a 350Z, especially a 2005 one. They list for about 42+ in Canada, and this would end up being about 21000 + GST plus RIV and inspection fees. And none of you clowns try to steal my car cause I found it first!! :D

Which model is it? Base, Enthusiast, Touring, Grand Touring...?

That's an amazing price. As another poster said you might want to check to see if it has been in any accidents.
Which website did you use to look up used 350Z's?

818 is a California area code right? Are you flying all the way down there to drive it back up?

I'm looking into importing a new one from Buffalo. I've confirmed that Buffalo dealers will sell new 350Z's to Canadians.

[bibison]

if those cars have a rebuilt/ salvage title.. should be cheaper ;)

[johnsa]

Avoid it if Salvage Title ..I looked into it and is near impossible in Ontario, anyways...Otherwise great deal...or consider importing a new one...Dealer invoice is about $25k on a new base model 350Z

[barold]

How did you guys get a buffalo dealer to agree to sell to you? I'm trying to buy a Scion xB and the dealers I contacted would not sell to a Canadian. Would I have to walk through their doors (as opposed to emailing/calling them from Toronto?)

Thanks

[dgr81]

How did you guys get a buffalo dealer to agree to sell to you? I'm trying to buy a Scion xB and the dealers I contacted would not sell to a Canadian. Would I have to walk through their doors (as opposed to emailing/calling them from Toronto?)

ThanksFYI, from a friend who works at Lexus, no Ontario dealers are touching the xB for service as they don't have the shop manuals for them.

[aZnRYcEbOi]

How did you guys get a buffalo dealer to agree to sell to you? I'm trying to buy a Scion xB and the dealers I contacted would not sell to a Canadian. Would I have to walk through their doors (as opposed to emailing/calling them from Toronto?)

Thanks

I emailed one of the buffalo nissan dealers and they called me back on my cell.

[jafo999]

As my car died on the weekend, I'm now looking at buying another one. I've been talking to one of the Buffalo Subaru dealers mentioned here. If anyone wants to compare Subaru notes, PM me.

[z_squared]

This would be a great topic for the next RFD Article (save us all from reading 20+ pages of posts, not to mention the innumerable links)

Any takers?

[coolspot]

if those cars have a rebuilt/ salvage title.. should be cheaper ;)

Apparently a flood of those cars due to Hurricane Katrina last year - dunno if I'll take a chance with a salvage car. For all you know, the base of the car could have been immersed in water.

THIS APPLIES TO NEW CARS TOO! Shady dealerships are reselling flood damaged cars as new... :(

btw...where is the best place to get a car? i prefer a place without winter? i've been searching Florida and they seem to have a lot.

Hot places like that have other problems ... i.e. flooding. So check underneath the seats, in the spare tire comparment, etc to look for water stains. If possible try checking underneath the carpet/upholstery ... they may have refinished the car - but the body may still be wrecked ;)

Check even if you're buying the car in Buffalo ... after natural disasters in the US - cars just go "missing". Basically cars were getting towed to places like Cali, Northern US, etc and being sold of to people who would not expect a flood damaged car:


http://kdka.com/consumer/local_story_272170518.html
http://www.carfax.com/car_buying/flood_damage_cars.cfm

[nealf]

The speedometer in the US is in miles and in Canada it has to be in Kms.
How do people get around this? Is it cheap to replace the entire dash?

[imnew]

After reading all these posting, I'm with information overload...

Can someone tell me exactly what I need to do to import a used car that is given to me by a relative? The car is just over 5 years old...

Thanks..

[aZnRYcEbOi]

Urgent Question:

Which insurance companies are you guys using once you have imported the car here?

I just called TD Meloche Monnex, and they said they aren't insuring ANY vehicle from the USA, even if it is brand new. Something about how hurricane katrina resulted in alot of salvage vehicles, so they don't want to risk insuring any USA vehicles now.


UPDATE:

My cousin called TD Meloche Monnex, and they clarified that they will insure a USA vehicle that is already registered in Ontario.

THe problem is, they won't offer temporary insurance in order for him to drive it from NY State back to Canada.

Where are you guys getting temporary insurance from?

[Lord Carnage]

Another quick question...

What is the 'Manufacturer's Statement of Compliance", and where does one find it on the car? I'm looking at importing a Volvo (yes, that means some duty, but still a huge savings), but talking to the guy in the US, he thought it meant compliance with emissions standards, etc...

Anyone able to fill me in?

[dcxx]

The speedometer in the US is in miles and in Canada it has to be in Kms.
How do people get around this? Is it cheap to replace the entire dash?

Most cars have both mile and km mark. Even your current car may have both. As long as it has both marks, it is fine.

Otherwise you only need to replace the dial, not the entire dash.

[michelb]

Most cars have both mile and km mark. Even your current car may have both. As long as it has both marks, it is fine.

Otherwise you only need to replace the dial, not the entire dash.

As dcxx mentioned, this isn't an issue with most cars but I just wanted to add that I think you actually can just add stickers on the face of the existing dial at the appropriate locations to mark km/h so you don't even need to replace the dial.

[Yannai]

We just imported a Sienna from Montana to Alberta and TD Meloche Monnex insured us based on the VIN effective the day we planned on picking up the car.

[aZnRYcEbOi]

We just imported a Sienna from Montana to Alberta and TD Meloche Monnex insured us based on the VIN effective the day we planned on picking up the car.

Maybe Ontario is different than Alberta. >:(

I called twice, and my cousin called 4 times, and every time, every single customer service representative said the same thing. They can only insure the vehicle once it has been brought into Ontario and is registered for Ontario. They won't insure the car during the period between vehicle pickup in the states, and when it is brought into Ontario.

[jafo999]

Maybe Ontario is different than Alberta. >:(

I called twice, and my cousin called 4 times, and every time, every single customer service representative said the same thing. They can only insure the vehicle once it has been brought into Ontario and is registered for Ontario. They won't insure the car during the period between vehicle pickup in the states, and when it is brought into Ontario.

Same thing here. The agent said the NY transit permit would cover me for liability though.

[Lord Carnage]

Maybe Ontario is different than Alberta. >:(

I called twice, and my cousin called 4 times, and every time, every single customer service representative said the same thing. They can only insure the vehicle once it has been brought into Ontario and is registered for Ontario. They won't insure the car during the period between vehicle pickup in the states, and when it is brought into Ontario.


Maybe Alberta is different... I called my insurance company, and they said so long as it was only a few days travel (California pickup to Canada) they would be OK with covering it - but again I am in Alberta...

Maybe call around to a few different insurance companies and see if another is willing to help you out...

[Monsieurmaggot]

'Manufacturer's Statement of Compliance" is simply a recall letter from the manufacturer. If you purchase a new car from a US dealer who is familiar with exporting vehicles, he will ensure you get a letter from the manufacturer indicating that the vehicle is free from any outstanding recall notices and that it is up-to-date.

It needs to come from the manufacturer and must be on corporate letterhead. Once you purchase a vehicle in the US, the dealer will process this request for you. Until that letter arrives, you cannot pick up the car. From what I've read on the 'net, it takes a couple of days. The Subaru dealer I am dealing with in WNY has a direct contact at Subaru America who processes the requests for him directly.

As far as travelling with a temporarily-plated vehicle, I deal with State Farm Insurance. I called my agent and he tells me that as long as I have the ownership in my name, as soon as I take possession of the car, my US purchase will be covered regardless of whether it's in transit or not.

[Lord Carnage]

According to post#12 in this thread, you need BOTH:

ü Recall clearance letter
ü The vehicle must bear a manufacturer's valid statement of compliance label at the time of importation, otherwise a manufacturer's letter of compliance will be required.

I called (in my case) Volvo US and got them to fax me a Recall Clearance Letter directly based on the VIN. No problem there...

But how is that different from the 'statement of compliance label'? By the word 'label', it must be stuck on the car somewhere... no?

[raymondy]

Statement of compliance label is usually not a letter you get from the manufacturer. It is the label you will find on the door jam of the vehicle saying that the car meets all US standards. Goto EBAY and look at some of the listings and usually they show a picture of that label. Here is an example on a Volvo XC90.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2003-XC90-AWD-IMMACULATE-One-Owner-Below-Wholesale_W0QQitemZ330009774407QQihZ014QQcategoryZ 119148QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Monsieurmaggot]

You're right raymondy. That one got right past me.

The www.cars101.com/canada.html site shows a picture of the door label and outlines in detail the importation process.

[Dibble]

As dumb as this may sound... Can you lease a Car in the United States and register/insure/drive the Car in Canada or can you only purchase and bring over?

[bionicbadger]

I e-mailed subaru canada and asked if the warranty on a US purchased subaru would be honored in Canada and got this reply:


The reciprocal warranty agreement with Subaru of America covers US vehicle owners who have purchased US vehicles and currently reside and/or are traveling, transferred, or vacationing in Canada. The intent of the reciprocal warranty agreement is to allow US visitors the benefit of emergency warranty repairs while in Canada.

As it is an uncommon practice and only meant to offer assistance to US citizens vacationing or in transit through Canada your dealer may encounter difficulties determining if a repair is warrantable which may in turn delay the repair process. This program was not designed to accommodate Canadian residents who have purchased a Subaru vehicle in the United States for the purpose of importing the car into Canada.

Should you decide to import a US vehicle into Canada you will need to contact the NRIV (National Registrar of Imported Vehicles) at 1-888-848-8240 or online at www.riv.ca for additional information regarding this process.

We trust this information is helpful.

Sincerely,


Christina Morris
Senior Consumer Support Representative
After Sales
1-800-894-4212
www.subaru.ca


So I read that as: Yes they will honor the warranty but don't really want people buying cars in the US and bringing them here.

[Lord Carnage]

Statement of compliance label is usually not a letter you get from the manufacturer. It is the label you will find on the door jam of the vehicle saying that the car meets all US standards. Goto EBAY and look at some of the listings and usually they show a picture of that label. Here is an example on a Volvo XC90.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2003-XC90-AWD-IMMACULATE-One-Owner-Below-Wholesale_W0QQitemZ330009774407QQihZ014QQcategoryZ 119148QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Thanks Raymondy (and of course Monsieurmaggot) for that info. That's actually kind of what I thought it was, but I wasn't 100% sure. I'm gonna do this this weekend... I'll let you all know how it goes... probably won't be back until Monday or Tuesday though (long drive)...

Wish me luck!

[jafo999]

If anyone has any pointers to a US Toyota dealer near the Ontario border that is willing to sell to Canadians, I'd really appreciate a PM. I haven't been having any luck. Subaru, on the other hand, was a piece of cake.

[nino]

Avoid it if Salvage Title ..I looked into it and is near impossible in Ontario, anyways...Otherwise great deal...or consider importing a new one...Dealer invoice is about $25k on a new base model 350Z
I called that place to see if they had any more 350z's and they did. It is a salvage title though.

[Ven0r]

I'm looking at buying a 2003 BWM M5 in the states and was wondering if anyone knew if the CPO warranty was transferrable to a Canadian purchaser?

Thanks!

[yyz2hkg]

Hi Nanirina:

I just sent you a PM with the Northtown Sales rep. who deals exclusively with Canadian buyers.


Monsieurmaggot, could you please PM me with the northtown Rep also...thx. I PM'd you, but don't know if it reaches your email.

[Monsieurmaggot]

For those asking, check your PMs.

[mack]

hey...for those who bought a brand new car...what other charges are there?

so lets say i wanted a honda civic withg MRSP 19,950 USD. its build in canada so theres no duty. do i still have to pay canadian tax or any other fees? (i know theres the RIV, A/C, and few other things but anything major like taxes)

[rfdmember]

anyone had experience with BMW or Lexus dealers in the US? how much did u pay for import and taxes?

how much did u save in the end?

[SeeWhy2]

Well, the MSRP price of 19950 USD is taxed at the border 7%GST and 7%PST when you register your plates.

Correct me if i'm wrong...
6% GST :cheesygri

[mack]

ok wait...so i would still have to pay 14% tax on my car that i imported?

so a car made in the NAFTA would be price + 14% tax + all fees?

and a car made in japan or some place elsewhere would be price + 6.125% duty + 14% tax + all fees?

that wouldnt be a hot deal anymore.

CAD cost for civic: total $27,251.70 MRSP - can probably get it for 26000ish after dealings
US cost for same civic: $19,010 USD = ~$21,601.11 CAD x 1.14 = 24625

so savings will be approx 2,000?

all that trouble for 2,000?....i think i'll just get it here.

correct me if i'm wrong.

[Monsieurmaggot]

rfdmember, if you plan on picking up a Lexus or BMW, you would need to determine where the car is made.

A simple (not necessarily 100% accurate) method to determine if a car is DUTY EXEMPT, look at the VIN number. If the first character is a letter, there will be 6.1% duty. If it's a number, then it's DUTY EXEMPT.

While duty does add to the overall cost, depending on what you buy, you can still save thousands.

From what I was told by a RIV rep, I pay Duty first on the selling price (converted), then pay PST and GST based on that number. Essentially you pay PST and GST on the duty.

[Gevaltech]

6% GST :cheesygri
8% PST :cheesygri

[Monsieurmaggot]

Hey Mack;

I don't know how you compare pricing, but in the US, dealers sell cars based on invoice not the MSRP (like the whacky Canadian dealers). The invoice price for a base CIVIC is $13327 USD.

Convert it at 15% exchange works out to be $15300ish. That's a considerable savings.

Since the model options vary, you need to compare options to options.

Honda is notorious for letting you add $10k in options to a $15k car.

Here is a great link for generic price information:

http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html

[mack]

Hey Mack;

I don't know how you compare pricing, but in the US, dealers sell cars based on invoice not the MSRP (like the whacky Canadian dealers). The invoice price for a base CIVIC is $13327 USD.

Convert it at 15% exchange works out to be $15300ish. That's a considerable savings.

Since the model options vary, you need to compare options to options.

Honda is notorious for letting you add $10k in options to a $15k car.

Here is a great link for generic price information:

http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html


ohh snap...i based my price on MRSP from their site..i guess its wrong....

w0w...thanks for the site you made my day...LOL...the civic coupe EX is $16,884 USD - W0W! so its like 21825 CAD after the conversion and taxes VS the 27000ish here

btw...does it matter what dealership you go to?...like would different states have different prices?

$6000 in savings!

[aZnRYcEbOi]

ok wait...so i would still have to pay 14% tax on my car that i imported?

so a car made in the NAFTA would be price + 14% tax + all fees?

and a car made in japan or some place elsewhere would be price + 6.125% duty + 14% tax + all fees?

that wouldnt be a hot deal anymore.

CAD cost for civic: total $27,251.70 MRSP - can probably get it for 26000ish after dealings
US cost for same civic: $19,010 USD = ~$21,601.11 CAD x 1.14 = 24625

so savings will be approx 2,000?

all that trouble for 2,000?....i think i'll just get it here.

correct me if i'm wrong.


Target Price in USD (check www.edmunds.com and put in the car you want)
multiply by 1.1 USD to CAD conversion rate
= Price in Canadian dollars

The taxes and fees you pay is:
6.1% nafta for cars built outside north america
6% gst
8% pst for ontario
$100 air conditioning tax
$209 riv package fee



However, from earlier on this thread, Honda and Acura won't honour their warranties if you import it from the states....so it might not be worth it to buy a Honda/Acura.
Warranties for the following dealers are valid in canada though: Toyota/Lexus, Nissan/Infiniti, BMW, Mercedes, Ford.
I'm not sure about the other dealers.

Also, for compact cars like the civic, the price differnece isn't as big so it might not be worth it...

hope that helps

[johnsa]

Watch the exchange folks! last message quoted about $1.10 but its more like 1.15 right now! makes a big difference on a large purchase.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Hey aZnRYcEbOi, unless you live in Alberta, you will pay PST when you register your new car in Ontario. I have confirmed that with the Ontario Ministry of Transportation.

If you know how to get around paying PST, the savings would be incredible!

The RIV rep. tells me you will pay GST AFTER the 6.1% duty is applied.

If someone can confirm that, that's even more savings!

If I bought a Honda and could save $5000+, I would have no problem going back to Buffalo for warranty work. I think everyone would agree with that unless the US no longer treated the car as American (since it was registered in Canada).

You raised some very interesting points...

[mack]

well to me, the warrenty is a 50/50 thing...a civic is really cheap to service.......but i worry about the recalls and such...specially its the 1st gen of the new civic.

[Monsieurmaggot]

From what I understand, if Transport Canada forces a recall, any dealer will cover the repair.

If the manufacturer recalls a car, I believe it's treated as a warranty repair and you could run into trouble.

[eltonkk]

How often is recall for cars? I've bought 5 cars new directly from the dealer for the past 10 years...and I have never had anyone of them recalled...unless they did something while I bring it back for service without telling me...I only go back to the dealer for services...and the 5 cars I had are toyota, nissan, acura, mazda & bmw.

[ertman]

The RIV rep. tells me you will pay GST AFTER the 6.1% duty is applied.


We had to pay the 6% GST on top of the 6.1% duty 2 weeks ago. A tax on a tax is always annoying.

So for a $20,000 car, we would pay 6.1% duty, bringing the price up to $21,220.

Then we pay GST on $21,220, bringing the price up to $22493.20

No PST in Alberta!

Make sure you know exactly how much you should be paying before you get to the border. The woman we dealt with at the border was mistakingly charging us the duty twice, and it took some discussion and a calculator to convince her she was doing it wrong (the 6.1% was added automatically, then she added another 6.1% manually, and then the 6% GST!)

We're still waiting for RIV to send us the inspection paperwork (7 business days and counting...)

[ertman]

ok wait...so i would still have to pay 14% tax on my car that i imported?

so a car made in the NAFTA would be price + 14% tax + all fees?

and a car made in japan or some place elsewhere would be price + 6.125% duty + 14% tax + all fees?



Don't forget that the Canadian dealer will charge you somewhere between $1000 and $1500 for "freight and PDI", but the US dealer usually charges closer to $200-$300 for the same thing.

You can't really compare MSRPs, though - you need to get quotes from a Canadian dealer (for the full price, including all of the extra fees), then get quotes from the US dealer, account for the current exchange rate, and then figure out if it is worth the trouble.

We saved over $5000 even after you factor in a hotel for the night, gas there and back, a falling Canadian dollar at the time, different financing rates, inspections, duties, and taxes.

[Gundam]

How often is recall for cars? I've bought 5 cars new directly from the dealer for the past 10 years...and I have never had anyone of them recalled...unless they did something while I bring it back for service without telling me...I only go back to the dealer for services...and the 5 cars I had are toyota, nissan, acura, mazda & bmw.

dealers do not usually call you for the recall parts unless it doesn't work. i have a letter from VW about a recall hazard light since it's not safe without it. they have a long list of other parts that are on the list.

[aZnRYcEbOi]

Hey aZnRYcEbOi, unless you live in Alberta, you will pay PST when you register your new car in Ontario. I have confirmed that with the Ontario Ministry of Transportation.

If you know how to get around paying PST, the savings would be incredible!

The RIV rep. tells me you will pay GST AFTER the 6.1% duty is applied.

If someone can confirm that, that's even more savings!

If I bought a Honda and could save $5000+, I would have no problem going back to Buffalo for warranty work. I think everyone would agree with that unless the US no longer treated the car as American (since it was registered in Canada).

You raised some very interesting points...

sorry, my mistake.
you're correct, Ontario vehicles will require PST also...

[markjia]

I tried searching for information concerning the possibility of getting a lease on a US car, but was not able to find anyhing useful. Can anyone confirm whether a lease is possible?

Also, this car is mainly for company use, so I was wondering if anyone knew of any problems concerning tax purposes.

[michelb]

I tried searching for information concerning the possibility of getting a lease on a US car, but was not able to find anyhing useful. Can anyone confirm whether a lease is possible?

Also, this car is mainly for company use, so I was wondering if anyone knew of any problems concerning tax purposes.

I suspect that it may be quite difficult to lease a car in the US and import it into Canada. At a minimum you will need a letter from the manufacturer (or whoever you are leasing it from) authorizing you to export it (from US Border and Customs website:

Where title evidences third-party ownership/claims. If the used, self-propelled vehicle is leased or a recorded lien exists in the U.S., in addition to complying with paragraph (b)(1)(i) of this section, the provisional owner must provide to Customs a separate writing from the third-party-in interest which expressly provides that the subject vehicle may be exported. This writing must be on the third-party's letterhead paper and contain a complete description of the vehicle including the Vehicle Identification Number (VIN), the name of the owner or lienholder of the leased vehicle, and the telephone numbers at which that owner or lienholder may be contacted and must bear an original signature of the third-party and state the date it was signed.

).

Also when your lease is up, unless you plan on buying out the vehicle, you will need to export it back out of the Canada and re-import it into the US.

I suspect that the money you can save on a cross-border lease will probably be wiped-out easily by the cost and hassle. I also suspect that you will have a hard time finding a leasing company that will agree to lease it to you if you intend on exporting it (actually I suspect that you'll have a fairly hard time finding a company that will lease to you if you aren't living in the US and have a social insurance number, etc).

Good luck and please correct me if I'm wrong.

[stevethank]

Does anybody know of any dealer (toyota/honda) in US who would be ready to sell/lease a car to a canadian with no credit history in US but has maintained a good history in canada? Usually if somebody is paying cash in full, it won't matter but if it has to be financed or leased which dealer would do that?

[Monsieurmaggot]

stevethank, you will have a heck of a time getting a US lease or financing.

As michelb pointed out, leasing a car for temporary export might not make any financial sense.

From everyone I spoke to, it appears a "outright US purchase" is the way to go. You get a Canadian loan.

Since you're seen as a cash buyer in the US, you actually can leverage a better deal or accesories.

[nanirina]

stevethank, you will have a heck of a time getting a US lease or financing.

As michelb pointed out, leasing a car for temporary export might not make any financial sense.

From everyone I spoke to, it appears a "outright US purchase" is the way to go. You get a Canadian loan.

Since you're seen as a cash buyer in the US, you actually can leverage a better deal or accesories.
I agree with MonsieurMaggot.
Americans seem to place more emphasis on credit history than Canadians. I couldn't rent an apt nor getting a cellphone contract without a credit history in the US. I was asked to prepay everything (yes my rent as well). Thus, I HIGHLY doubt u'll be able to get any type of lease or finance.

[lexus]

I read a few time about 'Only used' can be import to Canada. Is that true? I went thru the www.riv.ca but cannot find that quota.

Some people said 1 year old but some just said old with amount of mileage. Please guide me thru here.

Many thanks



I did that with my CTS-V. But I bought it used. You can't bring the car over unless it's 6 months old or has a certain amount of mileage on it. That prevents you from buying brand new cars from the US.

[brandnew]

.Don't forget that the Canadian dealer will charge you somewhere between $1000 and $1500 for "freight and PDI", but the US dealer usually charges closer to $200-$300 for the same thing.

You can't really compare MSRPs, though - you need to get quotes from a Canadian dealer (for the full price, including all of the extra fees), then get quotes from the US dealer, account for the current exchange rate, and then figure out if it is worth the trouble.

We saved over $5000 even after you factor in a hotel for the night, gas there and back, a falling Canadian dollar at the time, different financing rates, inspections, duties, and taxes.

[outlier]

I've called up a bunch of Lexus dealers, and none of them are willing to sell a new car to a Canadian. They say it violates their franchise agreement. They are, however, able to sell used cars. If I remember correctly, BMW is the same...

On another note, Canada & US includes/excludes various packages in their "base" model, so it takes slightly more "work" to compare prices.

anyone had experience with BMW or Lexus dealers in the US? how much did u pay for import and taxes?

how much did u save in the end?

[ReFuGeE]

How can one drive the vehicle from a state to my front door?

Is there any way of getting a temporary permit before entering the states? That is of course if you pay for the vehicle and have the dealer send you an invoice.

What about dealer plates? Could I get a dealer plate (uncle owns a shop), slap it on in the states and drive it on over to CT here in Ontario?

[yyz2hkg]

How can one drive the vehicle from a state to my front door?

Is there any way of getting a temporary permit before entering the states? That is of course if you pay for the vehicle and have the dealer send you an invoice.

What about dealer plates? Could I get a dealer plate (uncle owns a shop), slap it on in the states and drive it on over to CT here in Ontario?

One of the dealers said that they would provide a NYS temp plate to get to the border. Once you're in Ontario, I assume a temp. permit plate is applicable, once you have the VIN and invoice presented to the MTO.

[Deemo]

I have a couple of questions for the pros here. :confused:

1. What is the best method of making sure the car wasn't in a wreck or some damage BEFORE I commit to traveling to look at it? Pre purchase inspection at a dealership?
2. There is a loan on the vehicle I have negotiated for. How should the transaction go down? Who do I pay what and in what order?
3. The "US Title" that is required at the border....is it supposed to show the owners name who I bought it from?

Thanks a bunch! :D

[iceage]

ok wait...so i would still have to pay 14% tax on my car that i imported?

so a car made in the NAFTA would be price + 14% tax + all fees?

and a car made in japan or some place elsewhere would be price + 6.125% duty + 14% tax + all fees?

that wouldnt be a hot deal anymore.

CAD cost for civic: total $27,251.70 MRSP - can probably get it for 26000ish after dealings
US cost for same civic: $19,010 USD = ~$21,601.11 CAD x 1.14 = 24625

so savings will be approx 2,000?

all that trouble for 2,000?....i think i'll just get it here.

correct me if i'm wrong.

you didn't factor in the sales tax(gst/pst) on Canadian MRSP.27251.7x 1.13

[Deemo]

Just found out the bank is hosing me on the exchange rate.
BMO wants >1.14 when the Bank of Canada rate is posted at 1.1345.
The is the best rate for a wire transfer (ie no money laundering cash deal higher rate). :mad:

[mack]

you didn't factor in the sales tax(gst/pst) on Canadian MRSP.27251.7x 1.13


damn....i thought its tax on the american value/purchase price......thats even more tax :( and why is it 1.13?...isnt it 1.14

[ricky13579]

honda does not honour US warranty..

you didn't factor in the sales tax(gst/pst) on Canadian MRSP.27251.7x 1.13

[4revR - Taken]

Does anybody know if Infiniti honours their US warranty??

Thanks.

[Monsieurmaggot]

While I can't speak for other provinces, in Ontario you can get a temporary transit permit for $15 dollars.

You need to provide proof of purchase (invoice from dealer) and proof of insurance. When you get that, you will get the temporary permits.

Since I've been talking to a dealer in New York State, he tells me I would need to purchase a NYS 30-day permit for $45 USD. He was unsure whether you could travel from the dealership through customs with Ontario temporary plates. In my case, I would rather spend the $45USD on a tried and true method. I would consider getting temporary Ontario plates if my registration was going to take a while.

I don't see how Deemo is getting hosed. I was quoted the current exchange rate PLUS 2.5% administration at the first place I went to.

To answer his other question, my dealer has invited me to see the car before I purchase it. He would also indicate that this is a new vehicle that is not storm damaged on the invoice. The invoice (bill of sale) is one of the forms that is required by US Customs to export the vehicle.

[andrew-g]

Does anybody know if Infiniti honours their US warranty??

Thanks.


I'm also looking to import a Infiniti in the new year. Does anybody know if there warranty is still good in Canada?

[stewpy]

I tried searching for information concerning the possibility of getting a lease on a US car, but was not able to find anyhing useful. Can anyone confirm whether a lease is possible?

Also, this car is mainly for company use, so I was wondering if anyone knew of any problems concerning tax purposes.

You might have success with a Canadaian 3rd party lease company. If you arrange the sale in USA and have the Canadian lease company buy it and lease it to you, that might work.

[bubs]

I'm also looking to import a Infiniti in the new year. Does anybody know if there warranty is still good in Canada?

keep posting about your experience. I am also thinking about an Infiniti or an Acura. But as posted here before acura/honda does not honour their warranty in canada.

[aZnRYcEbOi]

I'm also looking to import a Infiniti in the new year. Does anybody know if there warranty is still good in Canada?

It is valid for Nissans. I called both Nissan USA and Nissan Canada.

Nissan Canada says as long as there aren't any hidden clauses in the Nissan USA warranty, and that the USA warranty continues to be valid after import, then Nissan Canada will honour the warranty and you can get work done in Canada.

Then I called Nissan USA to confirm whether there are any hidden clauses regarding importing a car to Canada, and they said the USA warranty will continue to be valid.

I would presume it is the same policy for Infiniti, but someone should call to confirm.


One consideration though - I know someone who imported a 350z from the states last year, and although the warranty is valid, he says he had to jump through a few hoops in order to get Nissan Canada to perform warranty work.

[ReFuGeE]

Since I've been talking to a dealer in New York State, he tells me I would need to purchase a NYS 30-day permit for $45 USD. He was unsure whether you could travel from the dealership through customs with Ontario temporary plates. In my case, I would rather spend the $45USD on a tried and true method. I would consider getting temporary Ontario plates if my registration was going to take a while.

And we as Canadians can walk right into a NYS DMV with our invoice and get temp plates and drive right passed the border and to CT?

[develop]

If anyone has any pointers to a US Toyota dealer near the Ontario border that is willing to sell to Canadians, I'd really appreciate a PM. I haven't been having any luck. Subaru, on the other hand, was a piece of cake.


Same here,I couldn't find any Toyota dealer in Washinton State are able to sell to Canadians.

[Rehan]

Same here,I couldn't find any Toyota dealer in Washinton State are able to sell to Canadians. You could try getting one in Oregon like this guy (http://www.siennaclub.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=6465). He detailed his experience and mentioned the dealership as well as the salesperson.

[golden]

Is there any company in Canada that will do all the work for you for a fee? It might be worthwhile considering how much work you have to put in.

[Deemo]

I don't see how Deemo is getting hosed. I was quoted the current exchange rate PLUS 2.5% administration at the first place I went to.
What rate did you get Bank of Canada is posting 1.13. You can't get better than that.....tha banks want there cut and that was the best rate (1.14) on a direct money transfer from my account to another account.
By paying an extra 2.5 aren't you just worsening the exchange?


To answer his other question, my dealer has invited me to see the car before I purchase it. He would also indicate that this is a new vehicle that is not storm damaged on the invoice. The invoice (bill of sale) is one of the forms that is required by US Customs to export the vehicle.
I am looking at a car that isn't at a dealership.
It is a private sale with a loan (ie lien) at a bank.

[yyz2hkg]

I'm still in disgust on why warranties aren't transferable. I understand that some manufacturers honour their warranties if you export the car to Canada, but for the ones who don't...ultimately a warranty is still a warranty, NO? I mean, if you drive your car on a trip to the US, and it breaks down while under warranty, would you not be able to bring it in to a dealer and have it fixed in the US? Too much politics and greed involved. I did some research and had an invoice sent to me via email on a vehicle and there is a difference.

[Monsieurmaggot]

That's my point Deemo, if you're getting an exchange rate at 1.1345 that's excellent.

The bank I went to (CIBC) wanted a 2.5% premium over "their" posted rate.

It was closer to 1.17.

To answer ReFuGeE's question, when I spoke to a dealer in Washington State (Carter Subaru) about driving a car back to Toronto, he told me that as far as he knew, you couldn't cross state lines with temporary plates. I don't know if that is necessarily true but you might want to check with the authorities in the neighbouring states before you bring a car cross country.

Lucky for me I since found the dealer in Buffalo who gladly sells to Canadians.

[yyz2hkg]

That's my point Deemo, if you're getting an exchange rate at 1.1345 that's excellent.

The bank I went to (CIBC) wanted a 2.5% premium over "their" posted rate.

It was closer to 1.17.

To answer ReFuGeE's question, when I spoke to a dealer in Washington State (Carter Subaru) about driving a car back to Toronto, he told me that as far as he knew, you couldn't cross state lines with temporary plates. I don't know if that is necessarily true but you might want to check with the authorities in the neighbouring states before you bring a car cross country.

Lucky for me I since found the dealer in Buffal who gladly sells to Canadians.

MonsieurMaggot...thanks for the info you provided me earlier. As you stated above, every State that you cross, you need a temporary plate for every one you cross. I checked that out already, so a NYS temp plat is only valid in NYS.

[matkokubko]

Has anybody tried to have the car shipped?

Using Hansen's? http://pages.ebay.ca/ebaymotors/sell/hansens.html

Blah blah from their web site:

You can trust Hansen's to provide an exceptional package of relocation services anywhere in Canada and to or from the U.S. With nearly 25 years of specialized experience, only Hansen's can deliver your car or truck door-to-door, on-time, and damage free.

* Canada's largest national transporter of cars and trucks
* your car or truck is never driven
* competitively priced with no hidden costs
* cross border shipping; customs assistance available
* 5 offices strategically located across Canada
* satellite tracking
* fully insured with no deductible
* on-line vehicle tracking
* Visa & Mastercard accepted
* Canada and U.S. customs bonded

[mack]

ok...now i am worried about the permit...everything else i can obtain there and such...and i do not want to purchase a car without checking it out first, even if its new...so the ontario permit is out of the question.

i thought you could get a temp state (which ever state you are in) permit or a traveling permit and it should be valid for a certain amount of days?

[Monsieurmaggot]

Hiring a mover or even a broker would make sense if you didn't live near the border.

The cost (I have been quoted about $1500USD) for shipping isn't worth the juice for a trip that's only 100kms. I can bring the car across in a few hours.

As far as brokering goes, why would I want to pay someone to do my brokerage when the cost is under $200 to do it myself? I can't imagine what a broker would charge me for that work.

I noticed that their website indicates a broker is required for dealer purchases. That would be incorrect.

Maybe someone reading this can shed more light on the actual costs to do it.

I wouldn't want to wait days to get my new car.

One of my co-workers suggested I buy the cars in the US and flip them here just like the dealer in Oakville does. It would be curious to see how much I could get for a new American car in Auto Trader.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Mack, where are you thinking of buying your car?

[mack]

Mack, where are you thinking of buying your car?


well i'm in Toronto wich is like 1 hour away from buffalo. as for the car, basically somewhere close to the border or somewhere hot (florida? cali?)

however, right now i am taking all the information i can get before i actually import a car. i dont want to purchase the car and be stuck/have trouble getting it over here.

[Monsieurmaggot]

If you buy in Florida, it might almost make sense to have the carrier that matkokubko talked about bring your car over.

You're going to spend two or three days driving the car. The money you spend on permits and gas might pay for the transport cost.

Something to consider anyway....

If I was buying in any of the northern States (Washington through Maine) it would be easier to drive it across.

[mack]

thats true...it shouldnt matter if its a hot state or not since it'll be a brand new car....so lets say buffalo/washington/NY...any place else?...will dealers in buffalo sell to canadians?...its pretty close for us and i wouldnt mind driving there twice.

[stevethank]

It would be great if somebody posted the names of the dealer with phone number they have dealt with. Especially the ones in NY, MA, Washington. I think many of us have shown interest in getting vehicle from US. It will be good to know atleast that few US dealers are interested in selling vehile to canadians.

[markjia]

Thanks for the info on [not] getting a lease!

You might have success with a Canadaian 3rd party lease company. If you arrange the sale in USA and have the Canadian lease company buy it and lease it to you, that might work.

Any suggestions on where I might find such a leasing company? I've never seen one outside an auto dealership.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Living in the GTA, I could easily go to WNY or Michigan. Since I have family in Windsor, it's no problem for me to shop in Detroit (or the suburbs).

If I lived in Alberta or Saskatchewan, could try Idaho, Montana, North Dakota.
If I was in Manitoba or Northern Ontario, I would try dealers in North Dakota or Minnesota.
Those RFDs in Quebec could always try Vermont, and those in the Maritimes could go to Maine.

Since I am shopping for a Subaru Outback I can only say that I started with one dealer in Washington State (Carter Subaru) who has a website dedicated to Canadian exports. The bulk of their Canadian exports are to BC and Alberta residents. Carter sells more Subarus than all the Canadian dealers combined!

When I was sure I could import the Outback with no duties, I then contacted Northtown Auto in Buffalo - Two reps. contacted me willing to do this.

I was ready to try all the dealers in WNY or Michigan if need be, but the first one worked for me.

At this point, I'm waiting for the 2007s...

[stewpy]

Thanks for the info on [not] getting a lease!



Any suggestions on where I might find such a leasing company? I've never seen one outside an auto dealership.

My first car was leased with Ensign Pacific. I got three pages on Telus directory searching auto lease in Vancouver. Here's one that sounds independent :)

Independent Leasing Inc
20-1850 Kingsway Avenue,
Port Coquitlam, BC V3C 1S6
Tel. : 604-941-9233


Category : Automobile Leasing
Directory : Vancouver

[jafo999]

Maybe Alberta is different... I called my insurance company, and they said so long as it was only a few days travel (California pickup to Canada) they would be OK with covering it - but again I am in Alberta...

Maybe call around to a few different insurance companies and see if another is willing to help you out...

I called Monnex again about this. The agent this time said that I would be covered for 14 days automatically for a newly acquired vehicle. I asked about getting a letter (as required by the NY DMV) and was told this would be a "special request" and would have to be processed by the insurance company at their whim.

Has anyone else had any luck in getting a proof of insurance letter from Monnex in Ontario?

[st7860]

My first car was leased with Ensign Pacific.
http://www.ensignpacific.com

[Lord Carnage]

I called Monnex again about this. The agent this time said that I would be covered for 14 days automatically for a newly acquired vehicle. I asked about getting a letter (as required by the NY DMV) and was told this would be a "special request" and would have to be processed by the insurance company at their whim.

Has anyone else had any luck in getting a proof of insurance letter from Monnex in Ontario?


In the end, I just added the car to my insurance... my company didn't see the point in adding coverage for 3 days to get it from the US to Canada, only to have it added once it passed inspection, etc...

So I just added coverage for the vehicle, picked up a new pink insurance thingy for the car, and headed South...

Interestingly enough, nobody asked for any proof of insurance the whole way back (not the dealer, not the border (US nor Canada))... of course, I wasn't pulled over by the cops either... ;)

[Deemo]

OK ...... I am close to pulling the pin on an M3 but getting the total email run around.

In a private sale the owner has a loan from a US bank.
It is my understanding that to cross at Blaine I just need:

1. The title with his name ....probably showing the lien (loan). To show me on the title could take weeks
2. A letter from the bank showing the loan paid off and allowing the vehicle for export.
3. Bill of Sale

Here is what Blaine replied with:

"There are two options that you have. 1. Buy the vehicle and wait until the title is issued to you. 2. Have the current owner export the vehicle, if he/she exports the vehicle prior to the loan being paid off you would not need to produce a title, you would export on a letter of authorization or permission from the lien holder stating that it is okay for that vehicle to be taken out of the country.

Those are your only options at this point.

Thank you

Blaine-Export"

Now I am totally messed up. :confused:
You can never get anyone on the phone there and they respond via email sporadically.

[William Q]

I am considering to import a hybrid car. In BC, if you buy a hybrid car, you will get tax rebate. I am wandering if this would also apply to imported car?

[JL2002]

just wondering, will dealer take a trade-in of an american car?...

[Monsieurmaggot]

A dealer I spoke to told me I could lose about $500-$750 on an American car if I traded it in in Canada.

Since you can save $$$thousands$$$ buying down south, I doubt this would matter to anyone.

Theoretically you can buy cars from the US, keep them for a while. You could get significantly more back when you sell it in Canada since they wouldn't depreciate as much as the Canadian equivalent.

Something for the accouting wizs out there to ponder....

[ottawadeals]

List of admissable vehicles has been updated. I can now bring in 2007 toyota camry. Time to start reading this thread again to find out how to get temporary permit to bring a car from a state that does not give temporary trip permits.

[yyz2hkg]

List of admissable vehicles has been updated. I can now bring in 2007 toyota camry. Time to start reading this thread again to find out how to get temporary permit to bring a car from a state that does not give temporary trip permits.

excellent thread...sheds a lot of light on how to import a vehicle...i'm in the process now and will gives updates.

[ecgz88]

I am considering to import a hybrid car. In BC, if you buy a hybrid car, you will get tax rebate. I am wandering if this would also apply to imported car?

same thing I'm wondering, I send a E-mail to CTBTaxQuestions@gov.bc.ca but they don't reply. :mad:

you can call toll-free 1-877-388-4440 or 604-660-4524 within the Vancouver Area between the hours of 8:30am - 4:30pm.

pls tell me the result. :)

[nanirina]

List of admissable vehicles has been updated. I can now bring in 2007 toyota camry. Time to start reading this thread again to find out how to get temporary permit to bring a car from a state that does not give temporary trip permits.
WOW! yea~~~ time to be seriously looking around to buy cars. The problem though, is who knows of a dealer that is willing to sell Toyotas to Canadians??

I've contacted a bunch but all of them refused to sell Toyotas to canadians while Subaru dealers seemed to be more lenient.

[ecgz88]

same thing I'm wondering, I send a E-mail to CTBTaxQuestions@gov.bc.ca but they don't reply. :mad:

you can call toll-free 1-877-388-4440 or 604-660-4524 within the Vancouver Area between the hours of 8:30am - 4:30pm.

pls tell me the result. :)

I just called them, if you are the one who use it and it's a new hybrid vehicle, you will get the tax rebate! Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

[PQpine413]

Has anyone imported a Lexus IS250 awd?

the price difference even for a new one is pretty big, seems like the US models offer the navi system straight up for the options and then add packages to the navi system.
whereas lexus canada only has the navi if you've added the rest of the packages.

[PQpine413]

Also, would this be possible?
if dealers arent willing to sell you a new car, have family/friends buy the car in the states..drive it for a week or two..and then do the procedures to buy it as a 'used' car??

[ecgz88]

Also, would this be possible?
if dealers arent willing to sell you a new car, have family/friends buy the car in the states..drive it for a week or two..and then do the procedures to buy it as a 'used' car??

but your family/friends need to pay the state tax :mad:

[William Q]

Does anyone know any US dealers close to GVR who would like to sell a Toyota to candians? I could not find one yet.

[Monsieurmaggot]

PQpine413, ecgz88 is right. You will pay both State tax and the Canadian taxes if a US person buys the car for you. Also, I am told Revenue Canada looks closely at what you paid for a car when you import it especially if it's less than three years old. If the price is unrealistic, they will apply what they deem as an acceptable value (using the book values) and charge the tax accordingly. Once they do that, your provincial group will do the same when you register the car.

[Deemo]

Got all my documents in order.
Recieved approval to import within 2 hours......but still have to wait 3 business days.
Flying to Seattle to pick up the M3 on Thursday :cheesygri

[toolin4]

To anyone interested, a Detroit area lexus dealer keeps advertising there used stock here in Windsor. They also offer to pay the duty (6.5% non-NAFTA tax). Prices seems reasonable.

http://www.meadelexus.com/en_US/

Most of the stuff their advertising is late model 04's and 05's.

[brunes]

OK - I have read through this from beginning to end and have yet to see any posts regarding the financing of these cars.

I assume you can't use the US through-dealer financing if you are a Canadian, right? If you can't you must finance through a bank?

Has anyone had any trouble securing financing for a non-Canadian car? Any time I was getting a car loan I had to provide the details to the bank on the car since the car itself would be the colladeral for the loan.

Or is everyone just psaying cash (and making way more money than me) :)

[Monsieurmaggot]

Hi brunes, welcome to this discussion.

From my investigation, it would be nearly impossible for a Canadian with no US credit history to get a loan at a better rate than in Canada.

With the Canadian dollar fluctuating a few cents in a week, I wouldn't want to risk paying a US loan if the Canadian dollar took a nosedive either.

I arranged a non-secured line of credit with two banks I deal with. I can also take out a car loan for half a percentage less. Either way, I would finance through a Canadian institution.

For all intents and purposes, the car will be Canadian once I import it.

[yyz2hkg]

Got all my documents in order.
Recieved approval to import within 2 hours......but still have to wait 3 business days.
Flying to Seattle to pick up the M3 on Thursday :cheesygri

let us know the process and how it went Please....

[Deemo]

let us know the process and how it went Please....
I could write a book already and haven't even gone to pick it up yet.
I may take pics and write a version similiar to the MR2 article....helpful but somewhat disjointed and hard to follow.

The only snag so far is that the owner had financed the car and thought he had a paper copy of the title in a safety deposit box.

I wired the money to kinda jumping the gun and then he told me there was no title in the deposit box (loud thump of heart falling into stomach).
I had the bank hold the funds.

With TONS of help from a great guy at US Bank (the lien holder) we discovered that Washington State holds electronic title ....I think if there is a lien only.

Quandry....no title-I give no money.
No money....I don't get a paper title.
No paper title.......no crossy border.
"OK...release the funds.....I give....pass the Pepto"

US Bank manager rushed the lien release (2 days).....owner raced to Olympia DMV to get paper title (almost 2 hour drive).....faxed to me and I emailed the worksheet, title copy, and Bill of Sale (none of which necessarily has to be signed at this stage).

Blaine emailed me back within 1 hour but I still have to wait the consumate 72 hours.

High points so far:

1. Seat sale to Seattle on Alaska for $172 Cdn one way (usually almost $500)
2. Driving to Kelowna for long planned vacation and meeting rest of my family that is jetting in (seat sale on Westjet). All driving back in new M3.
3. Present owner a fantastic guy

Wish me luck...6 more sleeps and counting. :D

http://members.shaw.ca/geoconsultant/M3.jpg

[PQpine413]

To anyone interested, a Detroit area lexus dealer keeps advertising there used stock here in Windsor. They also offer to pay the duty (6.5% non-NAFTA tax). Prices seems reasonable.

http://www.meadelexus.com/en_US/

Most of the stuff their advertising is late model 04's and 05's.


they're offering to pay the duty? wow..that's a great offer worth a couple thousand right there! anyone had experience with them?


owner raced to Olympia DMV to get paper title (almost 2 hour drive).


in your new m3?!! :eek:
hope everything else goes smoothly!! let us know!
just wondering what was the price of the m3?

[SodiumSulfate]

I could write a book already and haven't even gone to pick it up yet.
I may take pics and write a version similiar to the MR2 article....helpful but somewhat disjointed and hard to follow.

The only snag so far is that the owner had financed the car and thought he had a paper copy of the title in a safety deposit box.

I wired the money to kinda jumping the gun and then he told me there was no title in the deposit box (loud thump of heart falling into stomach).
I had the bank hold the funds.

With TONS of help from a great guy at US Bank (the lien holder) we discovered that Washington State holds electronic title ....I think if there is a lien only.

Quandry....no title-I give no money.
No money....I don't get a paper title.
No paper title.......no crossy border.
"OK...release the funds.....I give....pass the Pepto"

US Bank manager rushed the lien release (2 days).....owner raced to Olympia DMV to get paper title (almost 2 hour drive).....faxed to me and I emailed the worksheet, title copy, and Bill of Sale (none of which necessarily has to be signed at this stage).

Blaine emailed me back within 1 hour but I still have to wait the consumate 72 hours.

High points so far:

1. Seat sale to Seattle on Alaska for $172 Cdn one way (usually almost $500)
2. Driving to Kelowna for long planned vacation and meeting rest of my family that is jetting in (seat sale on Westjet). All driving back in new M3.
3. Present owner a fantastic guy

Wish me luck...6 more sleeps and counting. :D

http://members.shaw.ca/geoconsultant/M3.jpg

Congrats on your new car!

If you don't mind me asking, how much did you save by buying it in the US compared to how much it would cost by buying it in Canada?

[Deemo]

Congrats on your new car!

If you don't mind me asking, how much did you save by buying it in the US compared to how much it would cost by buying it in Canada?

There are two reasons for getting it in the states (maybe three if you include not having seen a Canadian winter)

1. Price
2. Selection - there is very poor inventory to choose from in Canada and the used inventory is priced too high

The car is loaded:
SMG
Nav
Competition Package (19"rims, bigger brakes, better turn in radius, etc)
HK
Power Seats
BMW Assist
Moonroof

Kelly BB pegged it at just over $48K USD Good to $50K USD for Excellent.
I picked it up for $50K USD

After exchange, duty, GST, RIV, and AC I am at $64K Canadian for a 2005.

It is newer than I wanted (would have liked more depreciation) but the history was easy to decipher. It is amazing how many '03's and '04's are already on a second owner.

Most '03's in Canada with not as many options were asking $55-60K Cdn (private) and may all I enquired about were under the M bearing recall. Dealerships were asking way more and then tack on GST.

You tell me how you think I did.

[doublejack]

I've tried to follow this thread to the best of my ability and couldn't come up with an answer to my question, so please don't kill me if it's already been addressed.

My mom owns a us civic and is a dual citizen. Is there anyway she can drive here, drop off the car, and resgister it with the Canadian transportation minsistry uninsured and unfit then do a gift transfer to my name (so no pst) and then I insure, safety, and get the crappy tire US conversion work done. Would she have to let them know at the border her intentions, or could we do it after it's in Toronto?

Thanks for any info.

[SodiumSulfate]

I've tried to follow this thread to the best of my ability and couldn't come up with an answer to my question, so please don't kill me if it's already been addressed.

My mom owns a us civic and is a dual citizen. Is there anyway she can drive here, drop off the car, and resgister it with the Canadian transportation minsistry uninsured and unfit then do a gift transfer to my name (so no pst) and then I insure, safety, and get the crappy tire US conversion work done. Would she have to let them know at the border her intentions, or could we do it after it's in Toronto?

Thanks for any info.

I don't think your mom can register the car here without it meeting Canadian safety standards. And as far as I know, if you or your mom register the car here, you'll have to pay the GST and PST, even if she already owns it...but i'm not 100% positive on that.

[Monsieurmaggot]

You still need to formally export the car from the US.

If the car does not conform to Transport Canada parametres, then you can't register the vehicle here either.

The RIV site should show you the car is acceptable and if not, what needs to be done so it can conform.

If the vehicle comes into Canada as unfit, it can never be registered. Be sure to check the bottom of the RIV list as it outlines this information.

The provincial regulators figured out long ago that cars that transfer as gifts or for $1 are simply taxed on the book value of the car.

If you are the US owner of the vehicle and you move to Canada, different taxation and registration rules apply.

Don't even think of keeping US or out of province plates on your car either. If you get caught for any infraction and it's reported to the insurance company, they can immediately void your coverage and you will face some additional fines.

[michelb]

...

The provincial regulators figured out long ago that cars that transfer as gifts or for $1 are simply taxed on the book value of the car.
...
If you are the US owner of the vehicle and you move to Canada, different taxation and registration rules apply.

...

Actually this is not quite true and there are special rules in place that cover gifts from direct familly members (i.e. I believe a parent can give their car to their child without any taxes owing (my dad gave my brother his old car several years ago).

The rest of the response does apply though. I do believe that she'll have to give it to you in the US at $1 and then you'll have to do the import and everything. As MonsieurMaggot mentioned, there are special policies for returning residents so that they don't have to pay the tax but it do not think it will apply in this case. I believe that a returning owner can register in Canada tax free if they have owned the car for at least 6 months (might be 1 year) and if they are establishing residence in Canada (from what you are saying, your mother would not be doing this).

[Monsieurmaggot]

I would be sure to check with my province's rules on registering automotive gifts before I made the plunge. In most cases if the transfer is from immediate family members, no tax is payable.

If you live in Ontario, this is what is posted at the MTO site:

Retail Sales Tax

When you buy a used vehicle privately, the retail sales tax you pay is based on the purchase price or the vehicle's wholesale value, whichever is more. If the buyer paid less than the Canadian Red Book value and an appraisal supports a lower price because of the condition of the vehicle, tax is paid on the declared price or appraised value, whichever is higher. Any reduction in tax is available only when a completed appraisal is given to a licence issuer prior to changing ownership. If the transfer has been completed and tax has been paid on the average wholesale value, an appraisal must be sent in with an application for a refund to the Ministry of Finance.

Appraisal forms are available from Driver and Vehicle Licence Issuing offices and Ministry of Finance offices.
Tax Exemption

Payment of retail sales tax is not required when a vehicle is a gift and is being transferred between close family members, which only includes a spouse, parent, step-parent, grand-parent, son, daughter, grandson, granddaughter, son-in-law, daughter-in-law, father-in-law or mother-in-law. Only one tax-free transfer per vehicle is allowed every 12 months.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Only a few more weeks and the 2007s will arrive!

[Warped]

oh wow... what an interesting thread. i read all 28 pages in one night. I never knew subarus were so overpriced in Canada :|

anyways, im just curious as to why people are saying that Honda's dont carry over their warranty over to canada... because according to this post by Rehan:

Acura / Honda
The reciprocal warranty agreement between Honda Canada and American Honda only covers owners who relocate from one country to the other, or owners from one country who are travelling on business or vacation in the other country. If a vehicle that was originally sold new in the United States is brought into Canada, its warranty only applies to the owner that purchased the vehicle while living in the U.S. and who imports the vehicle into Canada for their own personal or family use.
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1089211#post1089211

from my understanding the warranty applies to the person who bought the vehicle from the states and the person who brought the vehicle over to canada. so... your honda IS covered, yes?

[Rehan]

anyways, im just curious as to why people are saying that Honda's dont carry over their warranty over to canada... because according to this post by Rehan:

Acura / Honda
The reciprocal warranty agreement between Honda Canada and American Honda only covers owners who relocate from one country to the other, or owners from one country who are travelling on business or vacation in the other country. If a vehicle that was originally sold new in the United States is brought into Canada, its warranty only applies to the owner that purchased the vehicle while living in the U.S. and who imports the vehicle into Canada for their own personal or family use.
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1089211#post1089211

from my understanding the warranty applies to the person who bought the vehicle from the states and the person who brought the vehicle over to canada. so... your honda IS covered, yes? It's covered if a US residents moves to Canada and imports the vehicle for his/her own use. But if a Canadian resident goes down there and brings a Honda back, the warranty will not be valid in Canada.

[Monsieurmaggot]

It would be interesting to hear from any Honda buyer if the warranty is transferable.

Honda's warranty policy does NOT make any mention of cars that are imported.

I would doubt Honda would be willing to have that claim challenged in court.

If I legally import a car into this country, under Transport Canada rules the car is Canadian. Honda would have no business declining my claim for warranty work. That makes no business sense. They would still reap thousands over the course of the cars' life in parts and the dealer would make a killing in service.

There is a very fine line on what Canadian dealers and manufacturers can do. There was a multi-million dollar collusion lawsuit filed in the US about dealers and manufacturers trying this with American consumers (when the dollar was low and Americans coming across the border to buy cars).

Details on the lawsuit could be found at www.naata.org.

I would still buy a new car from the US without a warranty. The price difference is too much.

Incidentally, I sent five emails to Subaru Canada requesting an answer on why their cars are so much more expensive in Canada. I have yet to get any formal reply.

[yyz2hkg]

I would still buy a new car from the US without a warranty. The price difference is too much.

Incidentally, I sent five emails to Subaru Canada requesting an answer on why their cars are so much more expensive in Canada. I have yet to get any formal reply.

I'd like to find out why the price descrepency (sp), but don't want to stir the pot untill I purchase the vehicle and import it back to Canada, and then show them the proof. :)

[Monsieurmaggot]

There's no need to prove to Canadian car dealers that prices are cheaper in the US. They know.

I am looking at Subarus and a couple of them in the GTA told me that they are not going to compete with the US dealers as their margins are controlled by the Canadian Subaru subsidiary.

Subaru's parent company in Japan won't get involved as they don't care where the car is bought providing it's their model. The US subsidiary certainly doesn't care.

I am told that Carter Subaru in Washington State sells more Subarus at their dealership than all Canadian dealerships combined.

As I mentioned, Subaru Canada won't reply to my email requests for an explanation.

[brunes]

There's no need to prove to Canadian car dealers that prices are cheaper in the US. They know.

I am looking at Subarus and a couple of them in the GTA told me that they are not going to compete with the US dealers as their margins are controlled by the Canadian Subaru subsidiary.

Subaru's parent company in Japan won't get involved as they don't care where the car is bought providing it's their model. The US subsidiary certainly doesn't care.

I am told that Carter Subaru in Washington State sells more Subarus at their dealership than all Canadian dealerships combined.

As I mentioned, Subaru Canada won't reply to my email requests for an explanation.
There is no explanation they have to give. The car industry is no different than any other industry when it comes to things like currency fluxuations. They can't just ad-hoc adjust their prices when the dollar values change, lots of the things going into the pricing for the Canadian models are because of things they have no control over - be it paperwork when it comes to importing, or marketing costs, or R+D, or compliancy costs, whatever.

The same pricing trends can be seen obvously in electronics, housing supplies, etc. It is cheaper to buy *a lot* of things in the US right now, not just cars.

Everyone on this thread seems to forgetting the fact that, until two years ago when the U.S. dollar started tanking, it was cheaper to buy cars *here*. In the 80s and 90s in fact it was so much cheaper to buy cars here (when you factored in the exchange rate), that many *many* U.S. consumers used to buy their cars *in Canada* and import them to the south. The stronger Canadian dollar is a very recent thing in the auto market.

[Acuratl]

There is no explanation they have to give. The car industry is no different than any other industry when it comes to things like currency fluxuations. They can't just ad-hoc adjust their prices when the dollar values change, lots of the things going into the pricing for the Canadian models are because of things they have no control over - be it paperwork when it comes to importing, or marketing costs, or R+D, or compliancy costs, whatever.

The same pricing trends can be seen obvously in electronics, housing supplies, etc. It is cheaper to buy *a lot* of things in the US right now, not just cars.

Everyone on this thread seems to forgetting the fact that, until two years ago when the U.S. dollar started tanking, it was cheaper to buy cars *here*. In the 80s and 90s in fact it was so much cheaper to buy cars here (when you factored in the exchange rate), that many *many* U.S. consumers used to buy their cars *in Canada* and import them to the south. The stronger Canadian dollar is a very recent thing in the auto market.

agreed, however it should be emphasized also that if you want to LEASE a vehicle you are better off getting it in Canada, unless you want to BUY THE VEHICLE after the lease! In which case you could sell it for much more if you got it from the states. The best and immediate savings come if you buy cash up front!

[Monsieurmaggot]

I don't expect the car manufacturers to adjust their pricing like the stock market but when there's a $10 - $15k difference, there's more to it than the exchange rate.

According to a recent DesRosiers report, many of the Canadian companies are just raking in the dough and offer "0%" financing to the unsuspecting Canadian consumer. It must be the guilt or an attempt to appease the consumer if they were to ask.

That's exactly what I was told "where else can you get this kind of financing"?

When I explained that even with an 8% 4-year loan to purchase from the US, I would still save $8k compared to the Canadian model.

[HTPCUSER]

Does anyone know how many cars you can import at a time? or is there a limit per year? I have found some REALLY great deals that I know could easily sell here. Im wondering if I could do 3 at a time with out too much hassle.

[Harkonnen]

Does anyone know how many cars you can import at a time? or is there a limit per year? I have found some REALLY great deals that I know could easily sell here. Im wondering if I could do 3 at a time with out too much hassle.

I'm no expert, but I think you'd need to get an export/import license and such if you're looking to resell imported cars in Canada.

[michelb]

I'm no expert, but I think you'd need to get an export/import license and such if you're looking to resell imported cars in Canada.

I don't believe there is such a thing as an import/export license in Canada (although some countries do have them). In theory, if you are doing this as a business you *should* register as a business and get the proper licenses (and there might be some advantages as you might be able to get out of paying GST (but your customers have to pay it) but in practice, you could easily just sell a few them them privately (obviously if you are trying to sell 20 cars/week, you might start getting some problems). Sellling used cars privately as a business is called 'curbsiding' and has gotten a very bad rap and may even be illegal but I think the fuss is mostly from used car dealers and used car dealer associations.

[thedonald]

I think someone should compile this info and write an RFD article...like a how-to article...

--TheDonald

[Fantasia]

I just see this thread and is too much to read. But I see that most of the discussion is around Honda and Subaru. I just want to tell you that my friend got a used BMW Z4 from States, and everything is cool. He told me he saves tons of money (close to CDN$10K) and he fixed up something last month and the warranty is all good in Canada too.

Just want to tell you guys.

[PQpine413]

do carter subaru exports any pre owned cars? and if they do, do they certify them (like how toyota/lexus does with their used cars)?

i'm looking to get a 05/06 legacy. would that make it a much more complicated process compared to getting a new vehicle if i were to get it through the dealer?

thanks

[Monsieurmaggot]

Since I am only looking for a new car, I can't say if Carter Subaru will export a slightly used car.

Try asking Joe Spitz at Carter Subaru.

His email address is joe@cars101.com

[samsquatch99]

OK....there is definitely a lot of speculation and mis-information being thrown about here so let me see if I can clear it up.

You may only import a car in to Canada if it is either less then 14 days from the factory or been on a car dealership's lot for over 6 months. The reason for this is demographics.

There are also the following restrictions:

1. Green, Red and Blue (solid) cars are not subject to additional taxes. All metallic colored paint is subject to a 6.35% luxury tax.

2. Black paint is not allowed at all as US black paint does not conform to CSA standards nor the worldwide regulatory body WBPC for paints.

3. All American gas pedals must be replaced with Canadian versions as typically American feet are a 1/4" fatter.

4. You may NOT display an American dealerships decal on a car being imported in to Canada.

5. American cars with a hemi engine (Dodge) need to be replaced with a comparable V8 version as the Canadian Association of Fuel Conservists have a class action lawsuit against the makers of Hemi.

6. All imported US models must weight physically more then their Canadian counterparts by at least 100 kilos (not pounds). This is not seen as a big obstacle as you can put bricks in the trunk to get around this restriction.

7. All imported US "fast cars" such as Hondas, Subarus, Mazdas, etc. (especially neon colored with big spoilers) must be pre-prepped for NOS and be able to "drift" at ridiculous speeds.

These restrictions are DIRECTLY from the RIV site....

Now you know.

[HTPCUSER]

OK....there is definitely a lot of speculation and mis-information being thrown about here so let me see if I can clear it up.

You may only import a car in to Canada if it is either less then 14 days from the factory or been on a car dealership's lot for over 6 months. The reason for this is demographics.

There are also the following restrictions:

1. Green, Red and Blue (solid) cars are not subject to additional taxes. All metallic colored paint is subject to a 6.35% luxury tax.

2. Black paint is not allowed at all as US black paint does not conform to CSA standards nor the worldwide regulatory body WBPC for paints.

3. All American gas pedals must be replaced with Canadian versions as typically American feet are a 1/4" fatter.

4. You may NOT display an American dealerships decal on a car being imported in to Canada.

5. American cars with a hemi engine (Dodge) need to be replaced with a comparable V8 version as the Canadian Association of Fuel Conservists have a class action lawsuit against the makers of Hemi.

6. All imported US models must weight physically more then their Canadian counterparts by at least 100 kilos (not pounds). This is not seen as a big obstacle as you can put bricks in the trunk to get around this restriction.

7. All imported US "fast cars" such as Hondas, Subarus, Mazdas, etc. (especially neon colored with big spoilers) must be pre-prepped for NOS and be able to "drift" at ridiculous speeds.

These restrictions are DIRECTLY from the RIV site....

Now you know.

You forgot to add that if you buy a PINK car there are zero fees to import :cheesygri


For those that just dont get it PLEASE IGNORE THE ABOVE POST!

[Monsieurmaggot]

So much misinformation samsquatch99.

There was an amendments signed last year under the NAFTA automotive export pact between Canada and the US, that now only permits Red and White cars to be imported.

There is only a surcharge on Blue cars.

You can't fill up an American car with Canadian gasoline as the US cars needs gallons of gas and our stations only supply litres. (Don't even try syphoning a US gallon through the metric hoses).

There is a way around this, you can order a universal gasoline conversion kit which allows you to pump in foreign fuel. It does VOID your warranty.

One last thing, the US cars measure distance in miles so you odometer won't even rack up any digits when the car is driven up North. You need to be extra careful when doing oil changes or any maintenance since the odometer won't move while in Canada --> hence the problem with warranties. The added bonus is that you can sell a car back to the unsuspecting American with hardly any mileage on it. They've been doing this for years to us with the Florida or similar state (low mileage collector cars)

[PQpine413]

i just realized carter subaru is on the west coast...are there any subaru dealers around buffalo or detroit which anyone would recommend?

[Monsieurmaggot]

Contact Northtownauto in Buffalo.

They sell to Canadians AND sell about 20 different models including Toyota, Lexus, Mazda, Chrysler, etc...

http://www.northtownauto.com/

Another huge dealer is West Herr.

www.westherr.com

This dealership is WNY's biggest volume dealer and one of the largest in the US. According to reports, they sold over 20,000 cars last year.

"Keep buying in the US until the Canadian dealers mend their ways"...

Some are noticing already. I keep reminding them.

[Beradon]

Contact Northtownauto in Buffalo.

They sell to Canadians AND sell about 20 different models including Toyota, Lexus, Mazda, Chrysler, etc...

http://www.northtownauto.com/

Another huge dealer is West Herr.

www.westherr.com

This dealership is WNY's biggest volume dealer and one of the largest in the US. According to reports, they sold over 20,000 cars last year.

"Keep buying in the US until the Canadian dealers mend their ways"...

Some are noticing already. I keep reminding them.These are NEW car dealers?

[samsquatch99]

You can't fill up an American car with Canadian gasoline as the US cars needs gallons of gas and our stations only supply litres. (Don't even try syphoning a US gallon through the metric hoses).


Excellent point....I would've been caught with a dumbfounded look on my face the first time I tried to fill up!!!

You've just saved me a ton of embarassment !!!

[ecgz88]

Contact Northtownauto in Buffalo.

They sell to Canadians AND sell about 20 different models including Toyota, Lexus, Mazda, Chrysler, etc...

http://www.northtownauto.com/

Another huge dealer is West Herr.

www.westherr.com

This dealership is WNY's biggest volume dealer and one of the largest in the US. According to reports, they sold over 20,000 cars last year.

"Keep buying in the US until the Canadian dealers mend their ways"...

Some are noticing already. I keep reminding them.

Can anybody recommended some big dealer in the west? Thanks a lot!

[z_squared]

Would someone please be willing to summarize this thread in an RFD Article (similar to the ones on Savings Accounts and Memberworks programs)?

I know it would be a bit of work, but it would provide an incredible service to the RFD community

thanks

[bionicbadger]

Can anybody recommended some big dealer in the west? Thanks a lot!
see the beginning of the thread. http://www.cars101.com/

[Deemo]

I just thought I would let everyone who was interested know that I got my car across the border and am vacationing with it in BC right now.

The whole process of coming across at Blaine took a whopping 0.5hrs and the customs agents on both sides of the border were fantatsic.
The Canadian customs agent even did all the paperwork.

Of course most of the ease of crossing was due to all the excellent info here.
The Canadian agent looked at my binder of prep work and said "you're organised.....most people aren't when they come here". :D

I may write an article similiar to the MR2 link in the thread.

[samsquatch99]

Would someone please be willing to summarize this thread in an RFD Article (similar to the ones on Savings Accounts and Memberworks programs)?

I know it would be a bit of work, but it would provide an incredible service to the RFD community

thanks

Off you go then.

[bbb0bbb]

I'm about to import an Outback 2.5I 2007 from Vermont. I'm in Montreal. I will go there on Sept 1. I can provide a lift if anybody interested to import one at the same time.

I think a got a good price. PM me if you want more details.

[ertman]

Just a couple of notes from what we learned while doing this recently:

- If you don't get your RIV forms within 2 weeks, call them and ask them to email them to you. It took almost 30 days for them to send us the forms in the mail, and you only have 45 days from the date of import to get everything done.

- If you are in Alberta, you do NOT need to get an out-of-province-inspection if the car was purchased new. You might need to convince the folks at the registry office of this, or have them call the government to confirm. The mechanic tried to convince us that we would have to come back to get the inspection done, but we did not. They should ask for the New Vehicle Information Sheet. Since you bought the car in the US, you won't have that specific form, but you should have a similar one from the US. Make sure you take it with you to the registry office.

- RIV is pretty anal about the recall letter you need to provide. They will not accept a hand-written letter, they will not accept a letter that has not been signed, and for some vehicles, they will not accept a letter from the dealership, only from the US head office for that car maker (yes, we had to do all three as we kept having the letter rejected!) RIV doesn't tell you this on the website or in the paperwork they send you, you only find out weeks later when they demand a new/better recall letter.

- Some mechanics will make you put a "odometer is in miles" sticker on your dashboard. Ugly! Some mechanics won't.

In the end, it was worth the effort for the money we saved, but hopefully this info can help other folks avoid some of the hassles.

[BoxsterS]

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[michelb]

Interesting, 64K CDN for a 2005. You could have picked this 2003 M3 up in Quebec for 33K CDN

http://i15.ebayimg.com/05/i/08/06/cd/06_1.JPG
Link (http://cgi.ebay.ca/BMW-M3-M3-SMG-2003_W0QQitemZ140019199060QQihZ004QQcategoryZ6131Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohost ing)

Except that this is a pointless comparaison since the reserve isn't met on that auction - for all you know, the reserve could be $50k (actually maybe you're the seller so you do know the reserve). Also you're comparing a car at auction to whatever he bought - he might have bought at auction but he might have bought it at a dealership and/or private seller and was able to do a test drive and mechanical inspection prior to purchasing - might be apples and oranges.

[ecgz88]

see the beginning of the thread. http://www.cars101.com/

it's just a Subaru dealer though :evil:

[Deemo]

:arrowu:

[Wes.Weber]

Buying US cars is a great idea. I did it for years and made GREAT money on my free time. I purchased brand new, used and insurance/wrecks/repo's. The border stuff was negligible. Once you do it a couple times it really is no big deal. Like anything else.
Warranties are transferrable, etc. Only hitches to importing cars (which are not a big deal now-a-days) are Canadian Vehicle Safety Standards. We have more stringent child safety restraints, different day time running light setups and some tires for some reason on some makes and models. But this only applies to used/repoed or wrecked vehicles. New stuff is simply paying a $220 fee to the Registrar of Imported Vehicles. It is really that simple. I really did make $3000 - $10,000 bucks per import even when the exchange used to be terrible.

[fatpiggy]

I just thought I would let everyone who was interested know that I got my car across the border and am vacationing with it in BC right now.

The whole process of coming across at Blaine took a whopping 0.5hrs and the customs agents on both sides of the border were fantatsic.
The Canadian customs agent even did all the paperwork.

Of course most of the ease of crossing was due to all the excellent info here.
The Canadian agent looked at my binder of prep work and said "you're organised.....most people aren't when they come here". :D

I may write an article similiar to the MR2 link in the thread.

You can start a part-time job giving professional advices to others for a fee!! :lol:

[BoxsterS]

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[Deemo]

MMMMMMM Power...

[BoxsterS]

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[Deemo]

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[BoxsterS]

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[Deemo]

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[Deemo]

Nevermind....

[treo22]

I may buy a new (or nearly new) Honda Civic in the near future. Has anyone here had a recent experience buying a Civic in the states and so what was your justification (calculations) for doing so ?

Can the speedometer/odometer be changed at some point later on ? And wht would the cost be for doing so ?

Regarding warranty: Is the warranty covered by Honda USA ? If so I would not mind bringing back to dealer in US if anything happened.

[flamesfan]

Would you like to take this to PM? It just gives me more latitude in my language towards you. Think about it. Also, I must apologize for assuming you financed the used 64K M3 through a financial institution - I just went with the percentages. You made an intelligent move by paying off the entire principal. I would hate to be the loser that had to float that loan especially with the depreciation hits these cars take (and the boat carrying the new model style 2007 M3's just pulled into port). It is odd, though, that someone with money would buy a used vehicle when a new M3, and the peace of mind that comes with it, isn't too far off. But, perhaps it's just me and the way I think.

Say, could you tell us the difference between your 2005 M3 and the new 2006 M3 listed here for a market average price of $47,374 USD and $44,680 USD invoice?

Link (http://autos.yahoo.com/newcars/bmw_m3_coupe_2006/18282/style_overview.html;_ylt=A9ibyEQQXOVE5zEBpBeheL8F)

If your gonna post information to make others look dumb and make yourself looks smart at least get your info correct. Firstly, there is no 2007 M3's, and the soonest we will likely see the E92 M3 will be Fall 2007 as a 2008 model.

As for talking about depreciation, M3's probably take the least hit out of all cars. Lately they have depreciated more because they new model is close to coming out. Sounds like your just shooting your mouth off cause your jealous.

[flamesfan]

Justed wanted to thank all the people that posted all the info here. Because of this thread I ended up picking up a 2003 BMW X5 4.6is from a reputable dealer in Chicago.

This dealership carsourceusa.com , has dealt tonnes of deals with CDN's and helps get all the paperwork done. I've also hired Hansen transport to bring the car to Calgary and saving me a trip to the border. It is a little pricey, its costing me $2300 to ship from Chicago to Calgary, but still well worth it for me.

[Warped]

I may buy a new (or nearly new) Honda Civic in the near future. Has anyone here had a recent experience buying a Civic in the states and so what was your justification (calculations) for doing so ?

Can the speedometer/odometer be changed at some point later on ? And wht would the cost be for doing so ?

Regarding warranty: Is the warranty covered by Honda USA ? If so I would not mind bringing back to dealer in US if anything happened.

the answer about warranties from a couple of car companies is within this whole thread. honda canada will not cover the warranty on honda's brought from the u.s. UNLESS you were a u.s. citizen at the time of purchase and brought the car over to canada... then only will your u.s honda will be covered by honda canada.
this totally blows, because otherwise i would love to shop for a new acura RDX from the south. >:( RDX is total secks.

also want to add, ive already looked into the civic... yes you save about 2-3 thousand from the MSRP of civics, but without warranty coverage... well i personally wouldnt want to risk it, but others will tell you its worth driving down to the states to do the warranty work...its really up to you and how much convience you would like. Saving 2-3 grand on compact car versus saving like 5-10 grand on other models (Subarus, bmw's, upscale lux's) would be worth importing and going through the hassle, imo.

[HTPCUSER]

Hey flamesfan, when shipping your car here to Calgary did you have to do anything special for Hansen to bring the car across the boarder for you like pre send the paper work to the board crossing or what was involved?
Also how long did it take from the time you bought the car to having it shipped?
and sorry one last question did you go look at the car in person or just do the transaction remotely?
I just wanted to get another perspective on this as I too am in Calgary and want to buy a Subaru Tribeca from a place in New York state as even after importing about $20000 can cheaper! I might even just go for used one with uner 15000 miles for even greater savings.
Thanks for you time, and I hope you dont mind answering a few of these questions.

[Deemo]

Hey flamesfan, when shipping your car here to Calgary did you have to do anything special for Hansen to bring the car across the boarder for you like pre send the paper work to the board crossing or what was involved?
Also how long did it take from the time you bought the car to having it shipped?
and sorry one last question did you go look at the car in person or just do the transaction remotely?
I just wanted to get another perspective on this as I too am in Calgary and want to buy a Subaru Tribeca from a place in New York state as even after importing about $20000 can cheaper! I might even just go for used one with uner 15000 miles for even greater savings.
Thanks for you time, and I hope you dont mind answering a few of these questions.

I could probably jump in here as I weighed it as an option.
You need to supply Hansen's with all the info that you would supply US customs with and even more (your passport photocopy and one or more additional items I believe).
The bill of sale and original title must be in the glovebox.
Hansen's charge is obviously different depending on where the car is being shipped from and to.
My quote was around $700 from Vancouver, WA to their bonded customs depot in Surrey and around $1200 to have it brought to Calgary.
If you don't use there bonded warehouse you will also need to get a brker involved at an additional cost of around $100-$200 Cdn above the shiiping cost.
They can't guarentee a pick up or drop off date...depends on the volume and trucks they have on route.
If you can't pick up the car within a day or so a storage fee of $70.00+ will apply - no one could give me a firm cost or "free" period.
Another shipper is AA Automotive but they seem to be just a shipping broker.
I had a friend who used them and there was confusion when the car was picked up as they weren't from "AA" and the seller didn't know if he was being duped......worked out in the end though.
In my transaction I had some digital images of the car, lots of historical paper, and a dealer inspection and bought the car sight unseen.
I also had a great seller as well who went above and beyond the call.
If you want to see the car you better be close to the border or have a bunch of good seat sales.
I was looking at (Option A) potentially flying to view, coming back to Calgary, completing the transaction, faxing documents to the border and then returning.
Option B is remaining in the states but remember it is 72 hours to fax or email docs to US Customs and no exporting on weekends. If you mess up your paper or timing you will be in the US for over a week before being allowed to cross.
Option C utilizing technology and a good paper trail was preferable in my case.
Good luck and congrats to Flamesfan on his new purchase.
No duty as well as it is S Carolina made :cheesygri

[Deemo]

If your gonna post information to make others look dumb and make yourself looks smart at least get your info correct. Firstly, there is no 2007 M3's, and the soonest we will likely see the E92 M3 will be Fall 2007 as a 2008 model.

As for talking about depreciation, M3's probably take the least hit out of all cars. Lately they have depreciated more because they new model is close to coming out. Sounds like your just shooting your mouth off cause your jealous.
I pm's BoxterS to let cooler heads prevail.
I also deleted my posts that were diminsihing an otherwise excellent thread.
It's all good now.

[romm2002a]

That would be an incorrect statement.

The warranty on an American-bought cars is transferable to Canada.


As an added bonus, vehicles assembled in the US are also free of Duty.


I purchased a brand new Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited back in 1997 when I was working in New Jersey for a year. I also purchased a Crysler Platinum package that would cover me up to 100,000 Miles. Well when I moved back to Canada and years later the Jeep needed servicing, the Platinum package that was purchased in the States was not recognized by Crysler Canada and was told that if I wanted to service it, that I should go to the closest border and have it serviced there under warranty.

Be carefull prior to purchasing extended warranty from the States.

[mikeroyal]

Hi great discussion, have bean following it with great interest since it started I have bean pondering with importing a SUV with the view of selling it on for the right price. I have on ly bean a resident of Canada since April (ex- Brit} and used to regularly buy cars from Europe and import them into the UK use them for a year and then sell them on for about the same price I paid for them last one was a Volvo V70 with a saving of $18,000. A few observations from my research so far.

I have been looking at Honda Pilots on E Bay and was just about to bid when I contacted a manufacture of a day time light running lights and was told that people have bean having severe trouble getting the kits to work on the pilot which you need to pass inspection, although I am shore a good auto- electrician could do the job for you.

Have contacted both Honda Canada and US and warranty definitely non-transferable new or second hand vehicle.

I am also interested in the Subaru Tribeca B9 made in US so no import duties and has day time running lights already fitted plus warranty fully transferable which gives it an advantage.

Have had one quotation for transportation of $1690 US from LA to Summerland BC plus 200 ish for custom brokerage the time you have added flights hotels insurance and gas up if it’s a long way away may not be much more expensive.

As for the Honda Civic some one is interested in buying I have the latest model and it has a digital speedometer that has a button on dashboard to change from KM/Hour to MPH as very easy no warranty on Hondas though.

How many cars can you sell privately before the tax people consider that you are running a business and if you decide to run it as a business you are taxed on your profits in the normal way, and I assume you can claim back GST and PST plus you expenses, any one else looking to making a business out of this.?

[HTPCUSER]

Mikeroyal, i also have looked into buying then reselling but what I have found "i was told by an custom agent" was that the canadian govenment does track cars and the persons importing the for tax reasons. Since you are importing with the intent to sell you MUST declare it this way. He did say however that if you were to do one about every 9 months or so they would likely look the other way and not worry about it as some people do buy new cars almost every year for work.

To run it as a buisness I decided to not look any further so I cant offer any help that way
As for the Tribeca I too have decided to go this route for
a. the price difference!
b. the warranty
c. no issues with duties and getting the car certified
d. ITS a Subaru what else can be said.

Since your in Summerland have you considered contacting Joe Spitz from http://www.cars101.com/canada.html

I was looking for used but Im going to consider new now too.

[mikeroyal]

Hi Htpcuser
Yes am aware of Joe Spitz and his web site, no I haven’t contacted him yet but definitely will do if buying new and especially as he’s very close to me, if buying new would probably wait until the end of the year probably get a better price then as the 2007 model is still very new to the market. Went and visited a local Subaru dealer in Kelowna today they didn’t have a limited but had two base models 2006 one with leather and seven seats that they wanted $48,000 PLUS TAXES and delivery charges LOL, fist one that I have sat in not as roomy as I fault it would be 3rd row seating definitely only for very small kids unless really short journey, but he interior was very well put together, asking the salesman about the 2007 models he told me there was only very minor cosmetic changes (LOL) and they wouldn’t be available until November. I may have a look for a lightly used 2006 model in the us if the price is right.

[F1ash]

I'm interested in buying a car from Washington State as I live in Vancouver.
Can you tell me how you would drive it over from the US to Vancouver?
What plates would you use, and how do you insure it?
Do you purchase a couple days insruance in WA state? And then purchase insurance from ICBC???

[HTPCUSER]

I'm interested in buying a car from Washington State as I live in Vancouver.
Can you tell me how you would drive it over from the US to Vancouver?
What plates would you use, and how do you insure it?
Do you purchase a couple days insruance in WA state? And then purchase insurance from ICBC???

For plates you need to have the dealer get you temporary intransit plates, these are usually good for 30 days.
For insurance you MUST prearrange for it with your insurance company.

And remember you cant just buy your car and drive it home the same day.
All the paper work must be at the boarder crossing a MINIMUM of 72 hours in advance.

[Sih]

It is valid for Nissans. I called both Nissan USA and Nissan Canada.

Nissan Canada says as long as there aren't any hidden clauses in the Nissan USA warranty, and that the USA warranty continues to be valid after import, then Nissan Canada will honour the warranty and you can get work done in Canada.

Then I called Nissan USA to confirm whether there are any hidden clauses regarding importing a car to Canada, and they said the USA warranty will continue to be valid.

I would presume it is the same policy for Infiniti, but someone should call to confirm.


One consideration though - I know someone who imported a 350z from the states last year, and although the warranty is valid, he says he had to jump through a few hoops in order to get Nissan Canada to perform warranty work.


Can you provide more info on this? I just purchased a new 2006 Nissan from the USA and was told at the dealer before I signed the paperwork the warranty was NOT valid in Canada. The warranty pdf files on both Nissan USA and Nissan Canada's sites seem to confirm this.

Goes something like if the vehicle is bought in one country and registered in the other within 6 months the warranty is no longer valid.

In the end, with how much I saved, I'm not overly concerned. Still would be nice to have it though. Also, it's one of the few manufacturers not listed in the previous thread so it could be helpful to find out and update that.

[shopper-X]

Can you provide more info on this? I just purchased a new 2006 Nissan from the USA and was told at the dealer before I signed the paperwork the warranty was NOT valid in Canada. The warranty pdf files on both Nissan USA and Nissan Canada's sites seem to confirm this.

Goes something like if the vehicle is bought in one country and registered in the other within 6 months the warranty is no longer valid.

In the end, with how much I saved, I'm not overly concerned. Still would be nice to have it though. Also, it's one of the few manufacturers not listed in the previous thread so it could be helpful to find out and update that.
Nissan/Infiniti is transferable, read my post here (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3575497&postcount=22) with Sample Warranty from Infiniti site.
This warranty applies to a relocated
vehicle which is returned to, and is registered and
normally operated in the United States, the U.S. territories
or Canada, except for conditions due to the vehicle’s foreign
operation, e.g., use of inappropriate fuels or other fluids.

[aZnRYcEbOi]

Can you provide more info on this? I just purchased a new 2006 Nissan from the USA and was told at the dealer before I signed the paperwork the warranty was NOT valid in Canada. The warranty pdf files on both Nissan USA and Nissan Canada's sites seem to confirm this.

Goes something like if the vehicle is bought in one country and registered in the other within 6 months the warranty is no longer valid.

In the end, with how much I saved, I'm not overly concerned. Still would be nice to have it though. Also, it's one of the few manufacturers not listed in the previous thread so it could be helpful to find out and update that.

Try calling head office yourself, and double check.

Also, now that you've bought the car, can't you just stop by an Infiniti dealer and get them to run your VIN to check your warranty status?

[MMMM]

Adding to some info many pages earlier...

Daytime running lights.

I figured it was as easy as adding the module from Hamsar to the car. This is not the case. I purchased three separate modules from hamsar and one from NAPA. In the end I went with a auto electonics specialist (245.00).

Basically all they added was a relay like the hamsar module which keeps the headlights a full intensity all the time. Yes bulbs will burn out quicker but hamsar should have updated relays available for the new japanese cars soon.

Honda changed all the lighting modules so now you have to have a separate relay for each light. Plus they have something called a multiplexing unit to control the lights.

Check in advance with the dealer to see if they can have the vehicle setup before it leaves the dealership. I turned this down as I thought it would be an easy fix.

The Hamsar tech guy was very helpfull, eventually we would have got the problem working but I probably would have blown the car up in the process.

Lastly make sure to purchase three trip permits. Ask that one be kept blank for you to fill in later if unforseen problems occour. Each permit is good for three days and costs roughly 25.00 US.

Mike

[Tuppin]

I'm also looking at a Subaru Outback. Can get a new 07 for about $25,500 Canadian plus the taxes. Same car in Canada is around $34,000. However, the 07's are not on the approved list yet....so I'm waiting. The Dealer in Maine (closest state) does it all the time and looks after the paperwork. Added bonus....the Outback and Tribeca are made in USA...no duty and they also come standard with daytime running lights....so no mods needed.

Toyota dealer said he couldn't sell me a new car. So Subaru seems to be the best bet right now.

[dandon]

I am very interested in buying a pilot from states. It is definitely a big saving. A base model will only cost US$24,000, compared with CAD$39,000 in canada since Honda gives $3000 rebate in states now. It is still a good bet even without warranty. I asked a dealer in d.c. They said they can sell to me by cash. Any one has idea of the whole procedure to buy a car from states. This thread is just too long to get it clear.

[matkokubko]

I'm looking at Toyota Sienna. I have contacted five NY state dealers in near proximity to Buffalo and unfortunately, three of them said that they are not allowed to sell a new car to Canadians.

Does anybody know of an dealer near by (from GTA/Toronto) in states who is still willing to sell Toyota car to Canadians?

Thanks.

[ecgz88]

How about LEXUS? Does anyone who knew the LEXUS Dealer willing to sell to Canadian? :)

[stock_junkie]

As long as our dollar stays strong, could I conceivably fly one way to Florida in December or maybe Myrtle Beach in March, buy a new Toyota Camry, drive it home and with the money I save offset the depreciation for 1 year? What I'm trying to say is: if I did this each year could I basically have a nice trip someplace warm, have a car to drive around for the week and sell the car used after 12 months for what I originally bought it for new thereby basically driving a new car every year for free?

[Beradon]

As long as our dollar stays strong, could I conceivably fly one way to Florida in December or maybe Myrtle Beach in March, buy a new Toyota Camry, drive it home and with the money I save offset the depreciation for 1 year? What I'm trying to say is: if I did this each year could I basically have a nice trip someplace warm, have a car to drive around for the week and sell the car used after 12 months for what I originally bought it for new thereby basically driving a new car every year for free?
LOL that could work in your favor unless Toyota decides to adjust their MSRP inline with their US dealerships.
I can imagine the brutal drive back from florida to the cdn border every year would discourage most rfd'ers.

[PQpine413]

How about LEXUS? Does anyone who knew the LEXUS Dealer willing to sell to Canadian? :)

To anyone interested, a Detroit area lexus dealer keeps advertising there used stock here in Windsor. They also offer to pay the duty (6.5% non-NAFTA tax). Prices seems reasonable.

http://www.meadelexus.com/en_US/

Most of the stuff their advertising is late model 04's and 05's.

toolin4 posted this a couple pages back.. can anyone confirm?
i guess since toyota wouldnt sell any new cars to us, lexus would be under the same rules?

[Monsieurmaggot]

For those asking about Lexus and Toyota dealers in WNY who sell to Canadians, one simple dealership: NORTHTOWN AUTO.

They WILL sell to Canadians.

If you call them and ask the generic question, they will say no. If you give them your name and contact information, they will tell you that they will.

[Sih]

Try calling head office yourself, and double check.

Also, now that you've bought the car, can't you just stop by an Infiniti dealer and get them to run your VIN to check your warranty status?


I intend on doing that, I had just returned with the car last night. ;) I was just hoping to have something to back my inquiries up.

I'll check out your info too shopper-X , but the US dealer specifically wrote on one of the pieces of paperwork that the warranty isn't valid if quickly registered in Canada. :(

[ReFuGeE]

I intend on doing that, I had just returned with the car last night. ;) I was just hoping to have something to back my inquiries up.

I'll check out your info too shopper-X , but the US dealer specifically wrote on one of the pieces of paperwork that the warranty isn't valid if quickly registered in Canada. :(

Please let us know as I will be importing a G35 into Ontario within the next week.

[shopper-X]

I intend on doing that, I had just returned with the car last night. ;) I was just hoping to have something to back my inquiries up.

I'll check out your info too shopper-X , but the US dealer specifically wrote on one of the pieces of paperwork that the warranty isn't valid if quickly registered in Canada. :(
Let us all know what you find out. I read it as we can, but then again it's up to them (Nissan/Infiniti).

[yu130960]

Let me know where you are getting the price for the Outback as I called Amherst and North Buffalo and was not quoted on the 2007 models yet. Am interested in the same model as you.

I'm also looking at a Subaru Outback. Can get a new 07 for about $25,500 Canadian plus the taxes. Same car in Canada is around $34,000. However, the 07's are not on the approved list yet....so I'm waiting. The Dealer in Maine (closest state) does it all the time and looks after the paperwork. Added bonus....the Outback and Tribeca are made in USA...no duty and they also come standard with daytime running lights....so no mods needed.

Toyota dealer said he couldn't sell me a new car. So Subaru seems to be the best bet right now.

[johnsmithy]

I found a great dealer at West Herr Subaru in the Buffalo, NY area. Very familiar with the importing process and only had to haggle once to match the best rate i found on the net.

He sent the paperwork to the border before I paid for the car (but after the deposit) so I'll only have to go there once, still have the option to back out if I don't like the car, but if I like it, I can drive it home that day!

Only thing is the Impreza is made in Japan so it doesn't qualify under NAFTA and i'll have to pay the 6.1% tax but on the bright side, IT'S MADE IN JAPAN!!! :D

Anyway, wish me luck. If it all works out, I'll post my experience. PM me if you want the contact at West Herr Subaru.

[bbb0bbb]

I was about to import a Outback 2007, but it's not yet on the list of importable cars. The problem (after some investigation of my sale rep) is that Subaru USA did release the Compliance Label for Canada (it is what makes it importable) to Subaru Canada and Subaru Canada doesn't want to give it to RIV, since they have too many 2006 model in stock. Subaru USA is pissed (at least, that's what I heard).

I phoned Subaru Canada and the lady there told me that they should release the 2007 late september, begining of Oct. I told her about importing the car and she replied that she received some many calls about this. She confirmed at the same time that the warranty is good in Canada, but pointed out that it takes more time to process (during a repair).

The best price so far for an Outback 2007 2.5I auto is 22997$US (in Vermont). PM me if you have better deal or if you want my rep info.

[highvalue]

Try craigslist.

I seriously doubt that would work. Craigslist is great and hugely popular in the major US cities but imagine if you posted a local (here in Canada) and some american replied wanting to buy your car for border/customs advantages. Anyway, I've tried and it has worked a few times, but those were for items that could be shipped. Even then, it's a hassle to convince them to ship.

What could work is if you're going to some US city, then you can find potential cars and arrange to see/inspect some cars by going thru CL.

Anyone have experience/research using ebay to buy and import cars?

[ecgz88]

Can anyone provided a dealer in West Area? (Besides Cars101), I'm looking for Toyota/Volkswagon.

[TurboRegal]

I actually know that my friend and his parents just travelled down to Montana last week to buy a car and a truck from Toyota. I'm not sure how it all worked with duty and such, as I know some Toyotas are now made here, bue they ended up buying a Corolla and a Truck (some TRD sport model) and saved quite a bit.

[t0pclass]

I read replies and someone mentioned about colours.
Is it true that only certain colours can be imported to Canada?
What happen if I import Blue Metallic car? Do I have to pay extra or Is it impossible to import?

[jackboot]

I read replies and someone mentioned about colours.
Is it true that only certain colours can be imported to Canada?
What happen if I import Blue Metallic car? Do I have to pay extra or Is it impossible to import?

Don't even try to import a blue (especially metallic paint) car. They will turn you back and not think twice about it. I tried to import a nice metallic blue volvo and hide the colour by applying decals...they discovered the decals and blue paint underneath and siezed the vehicle...I learned my lesson the hard way >:( .

[johnsa]

Please let us know as I will be importing a G35 into Ontario within the next week.


Please keep in mind that the G35 will be subject to PST,GST, and duty as it is not assembled in North America..(as is the 350Z, unfortunately)

[Ron]

Don't even try to import a blue (especially metallic paint) car. They will turn you back and not think twice about it. I tried to import a nice metallic blue volvo and hide the colour by applying decals...they discovered the decals and blue paint underneath and siezed the vehicle...I learned my lesson the hard way >:( .

That's rough. A friend of a friend who tried to import a metallic blue honda was forced to scrape off all the paint by hand with sandpaper before they let him thru.

[MMMM]

Hmmm....

my Honda is metallic blue and we had no problems importing it. Plus the 40 or so cars comming across the border that day where all different shades. I also remember the only things the border guards checked for where the items RIV.CA specified on there webisight and the vehicle color is not on the list.

Have all your paperwork ready.
Do not lie about how much you paid for the car or any options
Pay the fees

Thats it.

[mydnyte]

Has anyone bought a Hyundai ...that US warranty is outstanding ...does anyone import resales as a business yet?

[jackboot]

That's rough. A friend of a friend who tried to import a metallic blue honda was forced to scrape off all the paint by hand with sandpaper before they let him thru.

Had they given me that option I would have gladly taken it. Sounds like your friend got very lucky.

[dealcatcher]

I just read a few articles (http://www.torontosun.com/Money/2006/06/22/1646786-sun.html) that mention that new car prices are considerably cheaper in the US.

For a couple of hours of paperwork (www.riv.ca) you could save anywhere from $8000 to $12000 on a $30,000 car.

I am looking at a Subaru Outback.

For that car, the US dealers also offer up to $2000 cash back.

http://www.cars101.com/subaru_prices.html

http://www.cars101.com/canada.html

The only drawback, the odometer is in miles. Lucky for me this model has daytime running lights as standard US equipment.

Basically, which makers will honor the US Warranty?

Honda? Toyota? Nissan? BMW? Benz?

[dealcatcher]

Adding to some info many pages earlier...

Daytime running lights.

I figured it was as easy as adding the module from Hamsar to the car. This is not the case. I purchased three separate modules from hamsar and one from NAPA. In the end I went with a auto electonics specialist (245.00).

Basically all they added was a relay like the hamsar module which keeps the headlights a full intensity all the time. Yes bulbs will burn out quicker but hamsar should have updated relays available for the new japanese cars soon.

Honda changed all the lighting modules so now you have to have a separate relay for each light. Plus they have something called a multiplexing unit to control the lights.

Check in advance with the dealer to see if they can have the vehicle setup before it leaves the dealership. I turned this down as I thought it would be an easy fix.

The Hamsar tech guy was very helpfull, eventually we would have got the problem working but I probably would have blown the car up in the process.

Lastly make sure to purchase three trip permits. Ask that one be kept blank for you to fill in later if unforseen problems occour. Each permit is good for three days and costs roughly 25.00 US.

Mike

Is the daytime running light need to be mod before entering Canada? So this will need to be done in USA?

[dealcatcher]

There is alot of miss information on here.

My brother saved over $10k buying his BMW in the U.S used and bringing it home. It is not difficult. He had to get daytime running lights installed on it to get the car to comply. It was a great deal.

I also bought my motorcycle 6 months old in Fl and brought it home without a problem, saving about 4k

So the day time running light is required before entering Canada? It must be installed in USA?

[stock_junkie]

If anybody else is serious about buying a Toyota or Lexus in Buffalo PM me and we can improve our negotiating postition together.

For those asking about Lexus and Toyota dealers in WNY who sell to Canadians, one simple dealership: NORTHTOWN AUTO.

They WILL sell to Canadians.

If you call them and ask the generic question, they will say no. If you give them your name and contact information, they will tell you that they will.

[setell]

Sorry but I didn't read through all the pages for this but how are you guys paying for the cars you're importing? Can you finance it the way you do in Canada or do you take out a loan and go pay it all off at once? Thanks

[Vincent_Chander]

I am looking at getting a 2007 Hyundai Sonata from a North Dakota Dealer if anyone is interested maybe we could get a better deal together?.

Also anyone here have experience with DRL Kits for Hyundais?

Last thing, I am kinda intrigued by the 2007 Mitsubishi Galant Ralliart. Not sure if it is available as of yet, but anyone have details on whether or not Mitsubishis warranty transfers to Canada?

The Galant Ralliart could* be a good sporty mid size sedan.

(*depending on quality)

[Rocklegend]

I am looking at getting a 2007 Hyundai Sonata from a North Dakota Dealer if anyone is interested maybe we could get a better deal together?.

Also anyone here have experience with DRL Kits for Hyundais?

Last thing, I am kinda intrigued by the 2007 Mitsubishi Galant Ralliart. Not sure if it is available as of yet, but anyone have details on whether or not Mitsubishis warranty transfers to Canada?

The Galant Ralliart could* be a good sporty mid size sedan.

(*depending on quality)

What is the price of a 2007 Hyundai Sonata?

[Vincent_Chander]

2007 Sonata Top of the Line Models

In Canada 2007 Sonata GLS V6 Premium: MSRP 30,340 (cad dollar)including freight etc.

In US 2007 Sonata Limited with Ultimate Package (Better stereo 6 disc changer) is MSRP 23,845 including freight and 1,750 rebate (US dollar). Need to install Day time running lights (maybe $200 cad).

so US Sonata 23845 (x 1.13 Exchange rate) = 26945 cad(based on MSRP) + 200 DRL = 27145.

I spoke to a salesman who emailed me a price of 22,400 including rebate. (22400x1.13 = 25312) + 200 DRL = $25512 cad.

When I went to shop at Local Hyundai Dealership they basically wanted $31139 including block heater and $125 for paint (black is free).

so 31139 minus what I was quoted from states:

31139
-25512
Diff 5627 and tax differences as well.

Keep in mind fluctuations in exchange rate, also there are basically no changes between 06 and 07 models so if you are able to get an 06 you would save at least 1000$ more (rebate).

[spawnr]

So the day time running light is required before entering Canada? It must be installed in USA?

You could if you want, but you have 45 days after importing into Canada to get them installed.

[ct027]

Finally read the whole thread.

I have a question.
Is invoice price and the cost of the car the same thing?

[dandon]

2007 Sonata Top of the Line Models

In Canada 2007 Sonata GLS V6 Premium: MSRP 30,340 (cad dollar)including freight etc.

In US 2007 Sonata Limited with Ultimate Package (Better stereo 6 disc changer) is MSRP 23,845 including freight and 1,750 rebate (US dollar). Need to install Day time running lights (maybe $200 cad).

so US Sonata 23845 (x 1.13 Exchange rate) = 26945 cad(based on MSRP) + 200 DRL = 27145.

I spoke to a salesman who emailed me a price of 22,400 including rebate. (22400x1.13 = 25312) + 200 DRL = $25512 cad.

When I went to shop at Local Hyundai Dealership they basically wanted $31139 including block heater and $125 for paint (black is free).

so 31139 minus what I was quoted from states:

31139
-25512
Diff 5627 and tax differences as well.

Keep in mind fluctuations in exchange rate, also there are basically no changes between 06 and 07 models so if you are able to get an 06 you would save at least 1000$ more (rebate).

I think if you buy locally you can get invoice price of around 28000 including freight. Plus you also get 60 month 0% interest. So it looks like no difference buying sonata between here and states?

[Vincent_Chander]

"I think if you buy locally you can get invoice price of around 28000 including freight. Plus you also get 60 month 0% interest. So it looks like no difference buying sonata between here and states?"

Let me know where you were quoted this price of 28000 incl freight for a 2007. $28000 is still 2500 more than the US price.

For an 06 here I was told 31139 - 4000$ extra trade in dollars rather than 0% financing (whatever your trade in is worth +4000 extra). I also want a better audio system though. The US 06 including a better audio system can be had for around 21000$US.

27000 (31000-4000) - 23730 (21000us to CAD) = 3270.

Just my view of things but, every dollar counts to me so if I can save more than 1G that still may be worth whatever hassle to import.

[William Q]

I'd like to buy a 07 Camry, I am wandering if anyone knows any dealer who will sell to Canadians. I could only find US deals in Oregon who could sell to me.

[killbillvol1]

Basically, which makers will honor the US Warranty?

Honda? Toyota? Nissan? BMW? Benz?

This is the question we all want answers to - anyone?

[MMMM]

Invoice price has many different meanings.

In Canada there is MSRP, then invoice pricing. The dealer will lead you to belive this is there cost or whatever. if you subscribe to carcostcanada.com(or some other program) they will give you Canadian Invoice pricing. Then you take this info and supposedly buy for less. Do not belive it! Offer 10% under invoice and see what happens ( they will laugh). Ask about grossly inflated freight and PDI. Ask why its a third the price in the states. One guy told me because its so much more expensive to run a dealership in canada.

In the states there is MSRP, then invoice pricing. Which is available on the internet. I used this value when negotiating with a dealer in the states. Then dealer cost what ever that is. You want to negotiate the difference in this value. The high volume Honda dealers will offer 500 under invoice to Canadians on Honda Elements.


Invoice pricing is not the cost to the dealer. Dealer cost is a another issue. There are many websights which will go into the details of the cost of the car to the dealer, the cost of running the business, holdbacks(
http://www.edmunds.com/advice/incentives/holdback/index.html) (great article).

Use invoice pricing minus a set amount for the negotiations with US dealers. Most will have a telephone or web based dealer and the process is simple. Use invoice pricing for an exact comparison of the vehicles in the states and Canada.

[MMMM]

Very few of the automakers will honour cross border warrenties. Honda does not! All manufactures still honour recalls and TSB's. (they have to)

It all so seems to be getting harder with the ones who do. If you read the thread a few are mentioned, Nissan, BMW but check before you buy.

Buy a warrenty with the cash you save. There are many companies out there. Roughly 2000.00 for a bumper to bumper three year warrenty.

[joe friday]

That's rough. A friend of a friend who tried to import a metallic blue honda was forced to scrape off all the paint by hand with sandpaper before they let him thru.

Okay, I'll bite. I may be dense on this point, but what's the issue with paint colour...especially blue?? Is there a list somewhere which specifies which colours are not permitted? :confused:

[DrkMnX]

Okay, I'll bite. I may be dense on this point, but what's the issue with paint colour...especially blue?? Is there a list somewhere which specifies which colours are not permitted? :confused:
And someone mentioned that there is a 6.5% luxury tax for cars with metallic paint? Is that true?

[Beradon]

Buy a warrenty with the cash you save. There are many companies out there. Roughly 2000.00 for a bumper to bumper three year warrenty.No powertrain? Once you register the car in canada, does the american warranty still apply if you're willing to bring it back into the US for servicing?

[ecgz88]

I'd like to buy a 07 Camry, I am wandering if anyone knows any dealer who will sell to Canadians. I could only find US deals in Oregon who could sell to me.

Which dealer did you find it? can you share the information with me? I'm in Vancouver :)

[ecgz88]

"I think if you buy locally you can get invoice price of around 28000 including freight. Plus you also get 60 month 0% interest. So it looks like no difference buying sonata between here and states?"

Let me know where you were quoted this price of 28000 incl freight for a 2007. $28000 is still 2500 more than the US price.

For an 06 here I was told 31139 - 4000$ extra trade in dollars rather than 0% financing (whatever your trade in is worth +4000 extra). I also want a better audio system though. The US 06 including a better audio system can be had for around 21000$US.

27000 (31000-4000) - 23730 (21000us to CAD) = 3270.

Just my view of things but, every dollar counts to me so if I can save more than 1G that still may be worth whatever hassle to import.

I'm in the Edmunds Forum, I know some people after tough negotiation get SONATA GLS V6 for USD16,500!!! What a good price compared to Canada!!!

[MMMM]

In the Honda manual It clearly states if the car is registered outside the US the vehicle will not be covered. You cannot bring the vehicle back to the US and have warrenty issues taken care of.

The dealership explained If I had a US address where the vehicle could be registered then I could have warrenty issues taken care of in the states.

Other manufacturers may be different, check before you buy.

[William Q]

Which dealer did you find it? can you share the information with me? I'm in Vancouver :)

Almost every dealers in OR are willing to sell me 07 camry.

In WA state, Toyota Kirkland had said that they could sell to Candian, but today, when I tried to negociate price with them, I got message from them that they are no longer able to sell to Canadian any more.

I also found some 07 Camry's VIN number starts with "j". I am not sure if I purchase it, I am going to pay duty or not.

BTW, I am in Richmond. Please also share your info if any.

[deeplove]

free of duties, but you still gotta pay the 14% taxes. and they're not going to miss this item (a car is huge). hehe.. change of paying taxes is like 99.9% lol.

[Gee]

I found a transport carrier that makes regular runs to the US from Mississauga. If you purchase a car, they can do all the paper work for you and get it across the border with no fuss. They transport cars to the US 4 times a week and bring cars back.

They will drop off the cars in Mississauga or anywhere in the GTA.

If people are interested, I can get a list of fees for the service.

[VenomGT]

How much to transport a car from Birmingham Alabama to Toronto? Found a classic 1969 Mustang that I will more likely purchase.

[Sih]

And someone mentioned that there is a 6.5% luxury tax for cars with metallic paint? Is that true?

I'm guessing not true. In my research I never came across such a thing, and I also recently imported a silver car with no such tax. I'm still not sure where the blue metallic stuff is coming from either though... :confused:

[ecgz88]

Almost every dealers in OR are willing to sell me 07 camry.

In WA state, Toyota Kirkland had said that they could sell to Candian, but today, when I tried to negociate price with them, I got message from them that they are no longer able to sell to Canadian any more.

I also found some 07 Camry's VIN number starts with "j". I am not sure if I purchase it, I am going to pay duty or not.

BTW, I am in Richmond. Please also share your info if any.

Have you try this dealer?

http://www.siennaclub.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=11906

Costco Price seems just so so , but avoid hassle. This dealer http://www.fitzmall.com is pretty good, they offer invoice+$500
for 07 camry but too far away for us. :mad:

I'm consider Hybrid since I can still get up to $2000 Tax refund in BC.

[Deemo]

This is the question we all want answers to - anyone?
BMW will honour the warrenty but not the "free" maintenence agreement.
On my older 328i this only amounted a lousy 2 oil changes over the term of the agreement before it ran out.

Honda will not honour the warrenty based on info here.
Not sure of the others.

[st7860]

I'm guessing not true. In my research I never came across such a thing, and I also recently imported a silver car with no such tax. I'm still not sure where the blue metallic stuff is coming from either though... :confused:

why would certain colours be prohibited from being imported?

[Neb]

BMW will honour the warrenty but not the "free" maintenence agreement.
On my older 328i this only amounted a lousy 2 oil changes over the term of the agreement before it ran out.

Honda will not honour the warrenty based on info here.
Not sure of the others.

Is this from BMw Canada? I was just talkign to a dealre in NY, andthey said they can't sell Canadians a new car, but a preowned one. and the Warranty will not be transferable, unless you go to a CDN dealer to certify it, not sure what he means exactly .
Did u have to do that step?

[Vincent_Chander]

For those looking for an 07 Camry I would just like to state a bit about my experiences so far.

1) I have been able to find dealers in North Dakota willing to sell to Canadians.

2) Camrys are in back order in this region, not a huge selection so if you want something bad you would have to order. Ordering can take minimum 8 weeks.

3) If the VIN # of the Camry starts with J then it is built in Japan. I spoke to a rep from Toyota USA who told me that most camrys are built in US but some are still built in Japan. YOU WILL HAVE TO PAY DUTIES ON THE JAPANESE CAMRYS.

4) For a fully loaded XLE without navigation I have the dealer cost of the base XLE (no options) and not including the 550 dealer holdback. The dealer cost is around 24000. Add Dest charge, TDA , Gas , Dealer Holdback, Wholesale financial reserve and the total dealer cost is around 25500.

5) Seems Fitzmall has high prices when compared to quotes I received. Quotes I received asked for 1000$ more over the total dealer cost. Still cheaper than "Fitzmall" invoice when I checked out their site.

6) WARRANTY: Toyota Canada says that all US warranties should be covered. But will not give me an official statement in regards to that. I have tried contacting Toyota USA but they will not give me a reply. So beware. Toyota Dealerships (most of them) will say they do not honour the warranty. (One reason I am inclined to purchase sonata: Hyundai service manager explained to me how it works for all dealerships when servicing US vehicles. It takes the dealership a max of 20 mins more to ensure via phone and paperwork that work was done and dealership will be paid. For hyundai it was no problem of servicing a US vehicle in Canada.)

Hope that stuff helps ppl out! :)

If anyone is interested in purchasing a Camry from North Dakota maybe we can put in a big order and save alot more money?! (Though I am still looking at my options, ie 07 Sonata).

Anyone else have any suggestions regarding mid size vehicles to look at? I have gotten quotes regarding subarus, toyotas, hyundais, even mitsubishi(though warranty doesnt seem to be covered here and prices are ridiculous for a mitsubishi).

Cheers,

Vin

[Deemo]

Is this from BMw Canada? I was just talkign to a dealre in NY, andthey said they can't sell Canadians a new car, but a preowned one. and the Warranty will not be transferable, unless you go to a CDN dealer to certify it, not sure what he means exactly .
Did u have to do that step?
Haven't heard of that and I have been to the dealer twice...once for DTRL and the other time for the Alberta out of province inspection.
They are replacing the TCU under warrenty and never said anything.
When I called BMW Canada they never mentioned it either.
(1-800-567-2691)

[mydnyte]

This is the question we all want answers to - anyone?

this is answered a few times in the thread if people would only read the whole thing ...it has alot of helpfull information. ...dont be lazy, read it, it is well worth reading the whole thread.

[Yannai]

We sucessfully imported a Toyota Sienne LE from Bitterrot Motors in Missoula montana (www.bitterrotmotors.com). The internet sales department (Tom Delaney and Todd Padgett) was great to deal with. Price was about $600 or 2% above invoice which was slightly less than edmunds' TMV price. Savings was over $9000 even after costs.

[ecgz88]

For those looking for an 07 Camry I would just like to state a bit about my experiences so far.

1) I have been able to find dealers in North Dakota willing to sell to Canadians.

2) Camrys are in back order in this region, not a huge selection so if you want something bad you would have to order. Ordering can take minimum 8 weeks.

3) If the VIN # of the Camry starts with J then it is built in Japan. I spoke to a rep from Toyota USA who told me that most camrys are built in US but some are still built in Japan. YOU WILL HAVE TO PAY DUTIES ON THE JAPANESE CAMRYS.

4) For a fully loaded XLE without navigation I have the dealer cost of the base XLE (no options) and not including the 550 dealer holdback. The dealer cost is around 24000. Add Dest charge, TDA , Gas , Dealer Holdback, Wholesale financial reserve and the total dealer cost is around 25500.

5) Seems Fitzmall has high prices when compared to quotes I received. Quotes I received asked for 1000$ more over the total dealer cost. Still cheaper than "Fitzmall" invoice when I checked out their site.

6) WARRANTY: Toyota Canada says that all US warranties should be covered. But will not give me an official statement in regards to that. I have tried contacting Toyota USA but they will not give me a reply. So beware. Toyota Dealerships (most of them) will say they do not honour the warranty. (One reason I am inclined to purchase sonata: Hyundai service manager explained to me how it works for all dealerships when servicing US vehicles. It takes the dealership a max of 20 mins more to ensure via phone and paperwork that work was done and dealership will be paid. For hyundai it was no problem of servicing a US vehicle in Canada.)

Hope that stuff helps ppl out! :)


If anyone is interested in purchasing a Camry from North Dakota maybe we can put in a big order and save alot more money?! (Though I am still looking at my options, ie 07 Sonata).

Anyone else have any suggestions regarding mid size vehicles to look at? I have gotten quotes regarding subarus, toyotas, hyundais, even mitsubishi(though warranty doesnt seem to be covered here and prices are ridiculous for a mitsubishi).

Cheers,

Vin

Toyota Dealerships (most of them) will say they do not honour the warranty?
So what we need to do? Everytime for warranty services ask them to check the head office?

[joe friday]

Toyota Dealerships (most of them) will say they do not honour the warranty?
So what we need to do? Everytime for warranty services ask them to check the head office?

Well, it's a personal decision, but I guess you have two choices, either buy the car and add an after market warranty if you want, or don't buy the car. But really, why would you want to deal with a copmpany that plays these kinds of games? There are lots of other cars out there. Personally, I won't let a company jek me around like that, I'll just buy from someone else. No one is that good to be allowed to treat their potential customers in that fashion.

[Anessa]

Does anyone know if Volvo's warranty is transferable to Canada?

[Gee]

How much to transport a car from Birmingham Alabama to Toronto? Found a classic 1969 Mustang that I will more likely purchase.

The transport company is Oakwood

I will check with them on Tuesday for rates. You pay for distance and paper work. They insure the car and you get it to Canada safe and sound with no hassles at the border.

[eliteblaze]

Price of the closest US BMW dealer (that sells to Canadians) to Mississauga?

I found a transport carrier that makes regular runs to the US from Mississauga. If you purchase a car, they can do all the paper work for you and get it across the border with no fuss. They transport cars to the US 4 times a week and bring cars back.

They will drop off the cars in Mississauga or anywhere in the GTA.

If people are interested, I can get a list of fees for the service.

[t0pclass]

I sent an email to RIV regarding of this and they replied.
As long as US_vehicle_admissibility.pdf is satisfied, it is OK to import.
And RIV rep personally mentioned "I don't believe there are any colour restrictions, nor why there would be."
So, I conclude myself that there is no colour/paint restrictions nor surcharge/luxury tax etc. (I may still have wrong info, so I always welcome if there is any precise info regarding of this)

[eliteblaze]

yah that's ludicrous.. you could just paint it aftermarket anytime

[ecgz88]

Well, it's a personal decision, but I guess you have two choices, either buy the car and add an after market warranty if you want, or don't buy the car. But really, why would you want to deal with a copmpany that plays these kinds of games? There are lots of other cars out there. Personally, I won't let a company jek me around like that, I'll just buy from someone else. No one is that good to be allowed to treat their potential customers in that fashion.

If in the Toyota warranty paper said it's North America Warranty then they should honor it with no problem. Just argue a little bit I think. :)

Toyota is Top Seller in Canada, their policy is "take it or leave it", their dealer in BC even don't bargin any price.

[leonleeca]

Anyone has experience with Lexus GX470?

[st7860]

rumour has it that some of those $2,000 extended warranties apply in Canada. but not all.

[Monsieurmaggot]

You can safely import ANY car on the RIV list that is either RED or WHITE without any fear of surcharges. If you insist on BLUE then you are subject to to NAFTA's "non-patriotic" surcharge. Other colour choices need to conform to the NAFTA 2006 IP protocol.

If the car is two-tone (say RED and Blue) CCRS will measure the overall area that is non-red or white and tax accordingly again using the NAFTA2006 IP Protocol.

Metallic colours mixed (pre-protocol agreement of Feb. 30, 2006) don't conform to the NAFTA 2006 IEEE exemption. You can get a waiver from your dealer providing the colour is mixed according to subsection USB-2.0. Base or primer colours would be exempt. You would need to fill out form CCRS-BAYEG Form 1* to be sure.

The colour protocols are clearly laid out at:

www.howgulliblecanyoube.com/notruthtothis.html

*BAYEG= BOY ARE YOU EVER GULLIBLE

[ecgz88]

Anyone knows if Volkswagon will honor warranty or not?

[dealcatcher]

You could if you want, but you have 45 days after importing into Canada to get them installed.

what about mph to KM/h mod? is it required before entering Canada?

where do I get the Recall clearance letter ?

[bionicbadger]

what about mph to KM/h mod? is it required before entering Canada?

where do I get the Recall clearance letter ?

Read the entire thread.

1) all you need is stickers that go on your spedometer, some cars have both miles and Km/h, the odometer will be in miles, but you don't need to have it changed.

2) you get the recall letter from the manufacturer, (ie. toyota of america)

[dealcatcher]

Read the entire thread.

1) all you need is stickers that go on your spedometer, some cars have both miles and Km/h, the odometer will be in miles, but you don't need to have it changed.

2) you get the recall letter from the manufacturer, (ie. toyota of america)

Directly from the manufacturer? or I can get it from the USA Dealership? Will I get the letter on the same day I purchased the dealership?

[dealcatcher]

Adding some stick on numbers to the speedo and an aftermarket daytime lights kit is alls thats needed for most.
Do you have to float it to get it home?

what about the 8km/h bumper? you will need to replace the whole bumper too?

[dealcatcher]

I just called them, if you are the one who use it and it's a new hybrid vehicle, you will get the tax rebate! Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

what's the percentage of saving for the tax rebate on hybrid vehicle?

[Aflac!]

what's the percentage of saving for the tax rebate on hybrid vehicle?

Note: This applies ONLY to the province of British Columbia.

Max $2,000 reduction in PST at point of sale. Reduced to $1,000 max on April 1, 2008. Credit gone by April 1, 2009.

Of course, all of the above is subject to change by Victoria. ;)

[michelb]

what about the 8km/h bumper? you will need to replace the whole bumper too?

Absolutely. This applies to many used US cars (I'm not sure if all new US cars don't have this now). I believe that's one of the things that the RIV site tells you.

[Anessa]

If in the Toyota warranty paper said it's North America Warranty then they should honor it with no problem. Just argue a little bit I think. :)

Toyota is Top Seller in Canada, their policy is "take it or leave it", their dealer in BC even don't bargin any price.

They can take it and shove it then. Toyota USA for all your car needs and fixes. :)

[Bigbob85]

You can safely import ANY car on the RIV list that is either RED or WHITE without any fear of surcharges. If you insist on BLUE then you are subject to to NAFTA's "non-patriotic" surcharge. Other colour choices need to conform to the NAFTA 2006 IP protocol.

If the car is two-tone (say RED and Blue) CCRS will measure the overall area that is non-red or white and tax accordingly again using the NAFTA2006 IP Protocol.

Metallic colours mixed (pre-protocol agreement of Feb. 30, 2006) don't conform to the NAFTA 2006 IEEE exemption. You can get a waiver from your dealer providing the colour is mixed according to subsection USB-2.0. Base or primer colours would be exempt. You would need to fill out form CCRS-BAYEG Form 1* to be sure.

The colour protocols are clearly laid out at:

www.howgulliblecanyoube.com/notruthtothis.html

*BAYEG= BOY ARE YOU EVER GULLIBLE

I don't think they will get this!!!! I bet the next post will be that the link no longer works!! LOL :lol:

[t0pclass]

You can safely import ANY car on the RIV list that is either RED or WHITE without any fear of surcharges. If you insist on BLUE then you are subject to to NAFTA's "non-patriotic" surcharge. Other colour choices need to conform to the NAFTA 2006 IP protocol.

If the car is two-tone (say RED and Blue) CCRS will measure the overall area that is non-red or white and tax accordingly again using the NAFTA2006 IP Protocol.

Metallic colours mixed (pre-protocol agreement of Feb. 30, 2006) don't conform to the NAFTA 2006 IEEE exemption. You can get a waiver from your dealer providing the colour is mixed according to subsection USB-2.0. Base or primer colours would be exempt. You would need to fill out form CCRS-BAYEG Form 1* to be sure.

The colour protocols are clearly laid out at:

www.howgulliblecanyoube.com/notruthtothis.html

*BAYEG= BOY ARE YOU EVER GULLIBLE

Well, more questions pops-up.
How come RIV does not have this info or restrictions on RIV's website?
Can CCRS(??) overrule what RIV already has its own admi~ty list?
Taking care of import car and taking care of import car's colour are different?
If there is such kind of NAFTA rule, it only applies to CCRS but not RIV?

[joe friday]

Well, more questions pops-up.
How come RIV does not have this info or restrictions on RIV's website?
Can CCRS(??) overrule what RIV already has its own admi~ty list?
Taking care of import car and taking care of import car's colour are different?
If there is such kind of NAFTA rule, it only applies to CCRS but not RIV?

OMG...

[joe friday]

They can take it and shove it then. Toyota USA for all your car needs and fixes. :)

Right on! Arrogance should never be rewarded.

[jackboot]

Well, more questions pops-up.
How come RIV does not have this info or restrictions on RIV's website?
Can CCRS(??) overrule what RIV already has its own admi~ty list?
Taking care of import car and taking care of import car's colour are different?
If there is such kind of NAFTA rule, it only applies to CCRS but not RIV?

:sigh:

Read the FAQ, it is all in there.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Okay, it's apparent that some of you actually think there is a colour restriction on cars you bring in. There isn't any. I've made it up. I was just having some fun....

I was going to say that the reason for the deal link is that all the RFDers have overloaded that website and took it down but that would be too easy.

NOTE:

Keep in mind that if you buy a US vehicle and intend on driving it in Canada, you will need to buy "gallons to litre conversion fuel" (Canadian Tire sells it in the border communities) or risk damaging your catalytic converter and other emission components. US-made vehicles run on gallons of gas, very few can accept gasoline by the litre. Best to check the RIV site to ensure that the imported car will accept the conversion fuel. You can ask them to be sure since the information is tough to find on their website.

Sorry, I can't help myself....

[Gee]

I spoke to Oakwood Transport and they will provide the shipping service to Canada.

The licencing fee is $206 Cdn, you still have to pay duties and taxes. He suggests getting your own customs broker to handle that.

After you purchase your car, FAX the title (ownership) to customs. He suggests writting the VIN number on the FAX cover page as it may not be clear on the pink slip.

The two locations he deals with is Sarnia and Lewiston for ports of entry. Alexander Bay is also possible for locations in Montreal / Kingston

Transport costs will vary based on origin. Turn around time is one week as there is a 72 hour hold at customs

For those interested. Call Carlton Mitchell directly on his cell phone 416.651.2800

[joe friday]

Okay, it's apparent that some of you actually think there is a colour restriction on cars you bring in. There isn't any. I've made it up. I was just having some fun....

I was going to say that the reason for the deal link is that all the RFDers have overloaded that website and took it down but that would be too easy.

NOTE:

Keep in mind that if you buy a US vehicle and intend on driving it in Canada, you will need to buy "gallons to litre conversion fuel" (Canadian Tire sells it in the border communities) or risk damaging your catalytic converter and other emission components. US-made vehicles run on gallons of gas, very few can accept gasoline by the litre. Best to check the RIV site to ensure that the imported car will accept the conversion fuel. You can ask them to be sure since the information is tough to find on their website.

Sorry, I can't help myself....

It wasn't your post...it was some earlier posts where people were screwing around about problems crossing the border with certain colour cars...of course, with our government, anything is possible!

[Anessa]

This really should be a stickied thread. It's gotta be in the top 5 most useful RFD threads ever. Someone should do a car manufacturer transferable warranty FAQ and keep it updated.

[SiGEL]

NOTE:

Keep in mind that if you buy a US vehicle and intend on driving it in Canada, you will need to buy "gallons to litre conversion fuel" (Canadian Tire sells it in the border communities) or risk damaging your catalytic converter and other emission components. US-made vehicles run on gallons of gas, very few can accept gasoline by the litre. Best to check the RIV site to ensure that the imported car will accept the conversion fuel. You can ask them to be sure since the information is tough to find on their website.

Sorry, I can't help myself....

LMAO!!! :cheesygri

[Anessa]

AND US cars that take premium unleaded will only accept Exxon and BP premium unleaded so you buy at your own risk. Canadian premium unleaded simply isn't good enough. So you better be warned or you have a tanker of gas accompany you home.

[loplop]

OK!!!!! long time reader. Finally read the whole thread.....extremely useful. So here's my proposition....to start I am from Alberta so I say to anyone here in RDF who is living in Alberta as well and wants a new vehicle to come together and pool/share our information. I am new at this so I say to all that is interested to look for a reputable auto broker to take care of all the paperwork ( or do this ourselves) and bring the cars over to Alberta (and possibly even save on the tranport/freight fee). I am interested in Subarus (but open to other brands), so if anyone is interested in subarus in Alberta, I say we purchase together (group discount) from a close U.S. state and reputable dealer.

http://www.cars101.com/canada.html

This guy Joe Spitz seems pretty knowledgable....maybe him?

Just a suggestion but maybe for anyone interested we can definitely do this!!

[browna]

Been tinkering with this idea myself, for either a new or used car. For used, I found a broker, willing to bring what I want in for 5% plus all the fees talked about here.

My question is on new cars..GM Cars.

Looked at a few automotive websites, couldn't find the answer to the following questions:
I assume the GM 3/60 warranty is tranferable.
Is it possible to get GMAC Finanacing down there, as a Canadian? I haven't seen it mentioned here (mostly because manufactureres like Honda have a "Honda Canada" arm to do the financing).

GM Canada and GM USA both use GMAC..all the calls I've ever made to GMAC on my cars have been answered in the USA.

[Beradon]

Looked at a few automotive websites, couldn't find the answer to the following questions:
I assume the GM 3/60 warranty is tranferable.
Is it possible to get GMAC Finanacing down there, as a Canadian? I haven't seen it mentioned here (mostly because manufactureres like Honda have a "Honda Canada" arm to do the financing).

GM Canada and GM USA both use GMAC..all the calls I've ever made to GMAC on my cars have been answered in the USA.'NO' to all your questions.
Buy a third party warranty if you bring your GM over.
Otherwise, go back to the US dealer if you have major warranty problems. No canadian dealer will touch it unless you pay for the work.

[mydnyte]

anyone have pricing on an 06 Outback? ...and know if they come with Daytime running lights already?

[Prof]

anyone have pricing on an 06 Outback? ...and know if they come with Daytime running lights already?

Subaru is on my short list as well. The Outback does come with daytime running lights. I priced an Outback Limited 2.5 at around $28500 Cdn or $11000 less than list here. For quick quotes I've been using Carsdirect (http://www.carsdirect.com). A mid-trim unit goes for $24,700. Several in this thread have referred to Joe Spitz at http://www.cars101.com/. This is of course in Washington State. Your profile doesn't list location.

I'm with others in pinning this highly useful thread. Perhaps it could go into the Auto section.

[yyz2hkg]

I had an actual invoice sent to me from one of the dealers in NY for a 06 Outback, so if anyone wants to compare...PM me.

[Ghozt]

For those who had brough a car from the US, I have some questions that I like to ask.

1. Do you have to pay the full amount ahead of time and get the car register and fax the paper work to the US border? Does the dealer do all the paper work for you or you have to do it yourself?

2. Do you have to go down twice? Once to pay for the car and get the paper work faxed to the US border and the second time to pickup the car?

3. Do you just park the car at the dealer to wait for the 72hrs period from the US boarder agent?

4. For the Toronto, Ontario subaru buyer, which dealer did you go to in NY? Can you give me the person that you contact with the purchase?

thanks.

[MMMM]

(1) We payed for our car with a certified check. We did pay 1000.00 down over thephone. Remember to declare the amount at the US border when you cross.

(2) The dealer will send you a bill of sale which is for customs. You can then fax this to US customs. Wait the 72 hour period, then go get your car. Remember it is three business days. In our case it was 84 hours and we were at the dealership waiting for customs to call.

(3) Pay for the car with a down payment. Send the bill of sale to US customs and wait three business days then go get the car. We saved enough to make a vacation out of the trip. Flew down and drove the car back.

hope this helps

[Ghozt]

Thanks for the quick answers.

I have one more question related to temporary license. Do I need two different temporary licenses, one for the US and one after crossing the Canadian border?

[michelb]

(1) We payed for our car with a certified check. We did pay 1000.00 down over thephone. Remember to declare the amount at the US border when you cross.

...

That's a really good point. If you enter the US with more $10k or more, you MUST declare it to customs. If you don't declare it and they find it, they can (and probably will) seize it and it that wasn't bad enough, you'll probably get accused of being a drug smuggler or terrorist or something of the sort.

[Monsieurmaggot]

For those of you looking at Subaru Outbacks, according to Northtown Auto and the cars101 website, the 2007s are actually cheaper and have added options this year like an aux plug for your iPod, and more importantly the automatic tire pressure monitoring system which will be mandated soon across all model lines.

The 2006s are being cleared out at less than invoice (I read at edmunds.com that it's about $500 below invoice). When you factor in $1500 - $2000 US instant discount for cash purchases, that's quite a deal too.

I'm waiting for the 2007s as the VDC option is now included with the 3.0 litre six.

The XT version have the renowned Subaru SI computerized speed/driving control system.

A fully loaded LLBean edition (which isn't available in Canada) can be had for about $28K US. (about $31.2 Canadian) The Canadian version MSRPs in Canada for $50K freight in. The freight in the US is about a third what it is in Canada.

The Outback is US made so no duty applies. The car comes with DRLs as standard equipment.

The Forester is Japanese made so 6.1% duty applies. Even so, it's still $10k cheaper than in Canada.

[MMMM]

(1) You can get three tempory permits. get all three and ask that one remaine blank. They will do this. If you have any issues getting the car certifiied in the 45 day window you can date this the extra permit when you need it. In my case I had to take the vehicle in to a shop after the second permit had run out.

(2) Decalaring the money when crossing the border is easy as long as its a small amount (20000.00). There was no paperwork involved and they wanted to see the paperwork.

[seabird]

great post, lost of info.

i'm considering to import a used Honda S2000 from NY, likely Rochester or Buffalo area.

1. Would anyone know what mods would be required for this vehicle as per the list at the following link:

http://www.riv.ca/english/html/mod_inspect_requirements.html

2. What exactly is this compliance label? do all vehicles have? is this the plate found on the inside door jam?

3. Can anyone recommend a good Honda dealer in Rochester or Buffalo?
Thanks

[johnsa]

Some great deals on the S2000 but keep in mind the car is not assembled in North America and will be subject to duty in addition to the PST/GST

[seabird]

thanks for the heads up.

any idea on how much additional duty?

what about a Nissan 350Z?

[HTPCUSER]

thanks for the heads up.

any idea on how much additional duty?

what about a Nissan 350Z?

6.1% for both the honda and the Nissan

[MMMM]

Check out this site for DRL's for the S2000. Very detailed. The forum section at the bottom has some helpfull reading also.

s2000 DRL link (http://alavigne.net/newHomePage/Motorsports/FeatureReports/S2000/DRL/index.jsp)

This car is a great deal in the states new or used, even with the 6.1% duty added on the savings are huge.

The only mod required is are the DRL.

[ReFuGeE]

Hey Guys

I've done quite a bit of research in regards to bringing a g35 coupe here in ontario. Here is some interesting info on the duties and taxes

Duty and GST charged at the border are based on your BUYING price, not the book price(somewhat).

For example, the g35 im looking to buy has the wholesale (lowest) price at $24,400. I'm getting the vehicle at $23,300. When speaking to a customs officer she said they may slap the wholesale price as a baseline for taxes depending on the customs agent you get. Be careful not to bend the figures to much, if you choose to take that route. Also, if you call customs they will tell you the lowest->highest price.

Also, you *must* present a temporary license plate at the border as well. Heres the interesting bit, if I pickup the vehicle from Detroit, I can apply and get a temporary detroit plate and even use it in Ontario!

[Monsieurmaggot]

According the the Revenue Canada site, it's pretty easy to determine if Duty is applicable to an imported vehicle.

If the first character in the VIN is a number (0-9) no duty is applied. If the first character is a letter (A-Z) then a 6.1% duty is applied.

Remember this is over and above the GST and PST (none in Alberta) you pay.

You can also check out sites like:

http://www.usstuff.com/cars.htm
http://autos.msn.com/
http://www.cars.com/go/advice/Story.jsp?section=top&subject=more&story=amMade&referer=advice

They provide generic information but typically for US flag wavers.

[thelefteyeguy]

dealers in canada need to correct this asap...the canadian ecomony must be affected by this.

great thread...i really wish i could buy from Canada...but the prices are just so attractive at times 20% off

[st7860]

great thread...i really wish i could buy from Canada...but the prices are just so attractive at times 20% off

except for possible warranty issues, why does it matter where you buy it from?

[thelefteyeguy]

except for possible warranty issues, why does it matter where you buy it from?

because it affects the canadian economy...cars are usually the second largest personal investment besides homes.

If the trend becomes more and more popular to buy from the states...money is going into the hands of americans rather than canadians. This not only affects jobs and families, but also it reduces tax revenue. Lets not go there on how reduce tax revenues affects us. ;)


but apparently...most Canadians are too lazy to do this or knows that it affects the economy cause sales are up for auto sales in Aug.

TorStar Link (http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1157493013828&call_pageid=968350072197&col=969048863851)

[brunes]

because it affects the canadian economy...cars are usually the second largest personal investment besides homes.

If the trend becomes more and more popular to buy from the states...money is going into the hands of americans rather than canadians. This not only affects jobs and families, but also it reduces tax revenue. Lets not go there on how reduce tax revenues affects us. ;)
I wish these posts would stop - it's total nonsense.

Fact #1 - the vast majority of people are going to continue to buy cars locally for a large number of reasons, most of them revolving around financing. You can't lease a car cross-border, and you can't finance through the dealer either. Add to that the possible warranty issues and the general hassle of the process, and the huge proportion lf "lazy" Canadians are never going to bother with this. Impact to economy is therefore neglidgeable.

Fact #2 - Until the past few years, when the exchange rate shifted in our favour. the exact opposite trend was going on - people from the US were buying cars in Canada because their powerful dollar made it cheaper for them to do so than buying the cars at home. If you don't believe me on this fact check it out for yourself. Did the Canadian car economy collapse when all these cross-border shoppers stopped buying in Canada? Of course not. That's because they made a tiny tiny percentage of overall auto sales. Just like Canadians buying cars in the US are making a tiny tiny percentage of American sales.

Fact #3 - A large number of the cars bought in the US are made in Canada anyways. The cars made in Canadian auto plants are not sold soley in Canada - they are shipped out all over the freaking place. Where you buy the car has little to no impact on the plant where the car was made.

[st7860]

who cares?

do you also buy only made in Canada organic produce and livestock?

[jackboot]

Hey Guys

(snip)For example, the g35 im looking to buy has the wholesale (lowest) price at $24,400. I'm getting the vehicle at $23,300. When speaking to a customs officer she said they may slap the wholesale price as a baseline for taxes depending on the customs agent you get. Be careful not to bend the figures to much, if you choose to take that route. Also, if you call customs they will tell you the lowest->highest price.

Your admonition to "be careful not to bend the figures too much" is PISS-POOR ADVICE. First of all, bending the figures at all is illegal and cheats Canadian taxpayers and should not be done simply on ethical grounds. Secondly, bending the figures so that you pay less tax is the best example of being "penny wise, pound foolish" that I can possibly think of. You are already saving thousands and thousands of dollars simply by legally importing the car - why risk having the car seized and losing your entire investment just so you can possibly cheat the tax system and save a few hundred dollars? Not to mention receiving a criminal record, possibly losing your job because of it, the shame you would bring on your wife, children, parents, etc etc etc...all to save a few lousy bucks when you are already saving thousands.

I know you aren't encouraging anyone to cheat the tax system per se, but by suggesting that it is an option at all legitimises it and readers can come away from reading your post deciding that it can't be that bad if it is presented as seemingly acceptable behaviour on a mainstream forum. Bottom line: cheating taxes cheats other Canadians and will come back to bite you in the arse if not immediately.

[ReFuGeE]

Your admonition to "be careful not to bend the figures too much" is PISS-POOR ADVICE. First of all, bending the figures at all is illegal and cheats Canadian taxpayers and should not be done simply on ethical grounds. Secondly, bending the figures so that you pay less tax is the best example of being "penny wise, pound foolish" that I can possibly think of. You are already saving thousands and thousands of dollars simply by legally importing the car - why risk having the car seized and losing your entire investment just so you can possibly cheat the tax system and save a few hundred dollars? Not to mention receiving a criminal record, possibly losing your job because of it, the shame you would bring on your wife, children, parents, etc etc etc...all to save a few lousy bucks when you are already saving thousands.

I know you aren't encouraging anyone to cheat the tax system per se, but by suggesting that it is an option at all legitimises it and readers can come away from reading your post deciding that it can't be that bad if it is presented as seemingly acceptable behaviour on a mainstream forum. Bottom line: cheating taxes cheats other Canadians and will come back to bite you in the arse if not immediately.

First off, I do not encourage anyone on RFD to "cheat" the government. All I said was that if you DO take that route be careful and don't bend the figures to much. This is again if anyone on this forum decides to do this.

People on this forum aren't little children in which I have to censor everything I say, no, they can make up their own minds. Its no secret that no one has the ability to track the purchase price of a privately sold vehicle, its public knowledge and pretty self evident.

Get that zucchini out of your ass and enjoy the hot deals and conversation. It'll be a cold day in hell when I have to censor what I say to guide some ones good or bad intentions.

Just throwing the facts out there, what people on here do with those facts are up to them.

[thelefteyeguy]

I wish these posts would stop - it's total nonsense.

Fact #1 - the vast majority of people are going to continue to buy cars locally for a large number of reasons, most of them revolving around financing. You can't lease a car cross-border, and you can't finance through the dealer either. Add to that the possible warranty issues and the general hassle of the process, and the huge proportion lf "lazy" Canadians are never going to bother with this. Impact to economy is therefore neglidgeable.

Fact #2 - Until the past few years, when the exchange rate shifted in our favour. the exact opposite trend was going on - people from the US were buying cars in Canada because their powerful dollar made it cheaper for them to do so than buying the cars at home. If you don't believe me on this fact check it out for yourself. Did the Canadian car economy collapse when all these cross-border shoppers stopped buying in Canada? Of course not. That's because they made a tiny tiny percentage of overall auto sales. Just like Canadians buying cars in the US are making a tiny tiny percentage of American sales.

Fact #3 - A large number of the cars bought in the US are made in Canada anyways. The cars made in Canadian auto plants are not sold soley in Canada - they are shipped out all over the freaking place. Where you buy the car has little to no impact on the plant where the car was made.


My argument has always revolved on the dealerships and never on any manufacturing. I know that some car parts are made in Canada (in fact its the largest industry for the canadian economy) I never disputed your fact #3. My post was based on the tax revenue earned from lost sales of car to the US. I was responding on how buying from the US affect us.

I also never questioned about buying import or domestically. So comments such as "do you also buy only made in Canada organic produce and livestock" is irrelevant (which St7860 posted) and wouldnt support the argument. Because you can buy foreign produce but still have to pay taxes to the cdn govt. Unless you go down to the states to buy it.


In regards to fact number 2, considering the fact that cars are 20% off because of the exchange...i would really like to know how much savings there was for the american 2 years ago at the exchange of 1.4 with high canadian taxes and considering the fact the on real terms cars are cheaper in the states due to economy of scale.


and again...my original post wasnt intended for all those buying from the states...infact i encourage it. My comments were to the dealerships and Canadian operated car companies on why they are still using a non market exchange rate. Because of this it does effect the economy. (which i do agree is not a huge dent, and it does only effects the economy at miminal)


but i also agree that this discussion should be in the offtopic and will not make any further arguments.

[noaccess]

Here is what Lexus Canada said regarding importing and warranty coverage.

Thank you for your communication.

It is our understanding that Lexus dealerships in the United States may not sell US specification Lexus vehicles for the purpose of export. Lexus Canada also discourages importing vehicles that were not manufactured for the Canadian market. We do not know whether or not a given model will comply with safety and emission standards in Canada. As well, parts and basic maintenance items for foreign model Lexus vehicles may not be available from local sources. Should a modification be necessary, a Canadian Lexus dealership is not equipped to perform the work. As the The Registrar of Imported Vehicles points out on its website, even if a vehicle is admissible for import into Canada there is no guarantee that it can be successfully modified to meet Canadian requirements.

For information on importing a vehicle to Canada, we suggest you visit the website of The Registrar of Imported Vehicles (a division of Transport Canada). The address is as follows: www.riv.ca . If you prefer, you may call them at 1-888-848-8240.

The manufacturer's warranty (regardless of whether it is a US Lexus vehicle or a Canadian Lexus vehicle) is honoured in continental USA and Canada.

We hope the above information will be helpful to you.

Sincerely,

Diane Scrimshaw
Customer Relations
Lexus Canada

[Vitalogy]

Has anyone tried purchasing a vehicle off Ebay Motors? I was looking at purchasing a MazdaRX8. I noticed the VIN starts with a J so does that mean I'll have to pay duty on the vehicle?

What other taxes would I have to pay other than the $195 plus taxes fee?

Thanks for the help

[ReFuGeE]

Has anyone tried purchasing a vehicle off Ebay Motors? I was looking at purchasing a MazdaRX8. I noticed the VIN starts with a J so does that mean I'll have to pay duty on the vehicle?

What other taxes would I have to pay other than the $195 plus taxes fee?

Thanks for the help

$100 AC Tax
6.1% DUTY
6% GST

*The 195 can be paid later as can the PST* not sure of the AC Tax must be paid at the border or at the ministry.

[st7860]

i'd rather buy a made in the US car and save a lot. I doubt those Buy Canada Shills buy all Made in Canada Organic vegetables and livestock. lol.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I couldn't care less if my local car dealer or other retailer goes belly up if they're not willing to compete. Not one Canadian dealer gave me an initial low price. They all start with "wadd'ya think it's worth?" or some other nonsense. American dealers give me competitive prices OVER THE PHONE the first time around.

A local dealer was lamenting how it was terrible of me to even consider buying in the US as HE would be personally affected. Like I owe him a living.

I pay enough taxes and like most people, if anyone wants to earn my business, they'll need to work for it.

If you are planning to buy new in the US, Canada Customs will ask to see the bill of sale and will tax accordingly. As jackboot and refugee pointed out, you're already saving thousands buying there. Trying to save a few hundred bucks in taxes sn't worth the liability you would endure when you get nailed.

When I first started this thread, I would have never imagined how popular it has become.

I have about a dozen emails from many of you thanking me for bringing this to light. I also got some nasty messages from (obvious) local car dealers/reps. ranting on how these posts are full of mis-information and ranting on how the warranties won't be honoured. When I offered to pay a $5000 premium to them, they still turned me down!

The more I speak to Canadian dealers the more I realize how most are truly dispicable and not trustworthy and I tell co-workers and friends about their potential savings in the US. Some downright LIE about the cost savings and the ability to import cars from the US.

[stewie1]

I don't blame the dealerships so much as I blame the manufacturers. the dealerships can't set prices, after all. the manufacturers have been VERY slow to correct pricing on their models, esp. those that came out a few years ago. they don't want to be seen "cheapening" the brand by dropping prices on their models.

that's fine. but in return, I ain't buying. If I can get an Acura TSX in the US for $5K less than it will cost me in Canada, I will either buy it there, or not buy it at all. I'm not gonna bend over for them.

this will correct itself over time, esp. if the C$ stays high. if not, then I guess it's not an issue.

[PQpine413]

do you need the bill of sale of the car to get a loan from a local bank?

[seabird]

does anyone know what mods would be required for a 1997/8 Boxster?

i'm also assuming the 6.1% duty would apply

thanks

[ReFuGeE]

does anyone know what mods would be required for a 1997/8 Boxster?

i'm also assuming the 6.1% duty would apply

thanks

i think the bumper would have to be changed, not sure.........i'd contact porsche for that info

and yes 6.1% would apply.

[Desalex]

Maybe you can reuse the bumper cover, but the underlying styrofoam/steel support may need to be changed.
You'd also have to put daytime running lights on it, and if the speedo isn't in KM, then a set of stickers put at 31, 37, 50 and 62MPH for their corresponding KM equivalents. I don't know if the odo is digital, but if it is there may be a switch to display km rather than miles...
If you get one with California emissions then you don't have to worry about meeting Canadian emissions regs.
The October Car and Driver had an article comparing the new Solstice GXP with a newer Boxster that a guy bought used with 4000 miles for almost $20,000 US off.
It may be worth getting a newer Boxster with a glass rear window (2001?).....

[Anessa]

Here is what Lexus Canada said regarding importing and warranty coverage.

Thank you for your communication.

It is our understanding that Lexus dealerships in the United States may not sell US specification Lexus vehicles for the purpose of export. Lexus Canada also discourages importing vehicles that were not manufactured for the Canadian market. We do not know whether or not a given model will comply with safety and emission standards in Canada. As well, parts and basic maintenance items for foreign model Lexus vehicles may not be available from local sources. Should a modification be necessary, a Canadian Lexus dealership is not equipped to perform the work. As the The Registrar of Imported Vehicles points out on its website, even if a vehicle is admissible for import into Canada there is no guarantee that it can be successfully modified to meet Canadian requirements.

For information on importing a vehicle to Canada, we suggest you visit the website of The Registrar of Imported Vehicles (a division of Transport Canada). The address is as follows: www.riv.ca . If you prefer, you may call them at 1-888-848-8240.

The manufacturer's warranty (regardless of whether it is a US Lexus vehicle or a Canadian Lexus vehicle) is honoured in continental USA and Canada.

We hope the above information will be helpful to you.

Sincerely,

Diane Scrimshaw
Customer Relations
Lexus Canada

They're the same cars with even more goodies inside. Sounds like propaganda to me.

[ecgz88]

Who's going to buy ES350? :)

[MMMM]

No bumper mods to a porsche boxster. You have to do the DRL's and the speedo.Its MPH only. I think there is a digital readout of the speed also. There is a child tether in there I believe and the 98's have passenger airbags which automatically shut of if the tether is used.

[MMMM]

Couple of points to clarify from earlier posts.

The taxes on a vehicle are paid in Canada. You pay GST and PST at the border. Canada does not loose out on any taxes by buying a vehicle in the states. Only the dealer looses. Did you hear the dealers crying when they were dumping vehicles into the states in 2002.

The number of vehicles imported into the United States through the Registered Importer program was at an all-time high in 2002. It has decreased considerably since then primarily because of the declining U.S. dollar.

Registered Importer Program - Annual Volumes Year Imports
2004 43,661
2003 96,621
2002 211,797
2001 200,074
2000 181,432
1999 151,842
1998 76,092
1997 23,745
1996 16,766
1995 14,052
1994 15,840

This info came from NAATA (http://www.naata.org/new%20files/import2.html) (lots of info on this website)

As Monsieurmaggot stated
"I couldn't care less if my local car dealer or other retailer goes belly up if they're not willing to compete. Not one Canadian dealer gave me an initial low price. They all start with "wadd'ya think it's worth?" or some other nonsense. American dealers give me competitive prices OVER THE PHONE the first time around

Canadian dealers are ripping the public off with inflated vehicle prices. Take your purchasing power somewhere else, possibly over time prices might come down.

[cloudsuck]

A
Just called CBSA and found out that motorcylces are ALL duty free, regardless of origin of manufacture.

So, without boring folks with the details of the math, the savings would be about $700 cnd, not considering time, fuel to pick up the bike.

The warranty may not be honoured either. I have an inquiry in on that

However, the sales guy I spoke to in Sandpoint Idaho said BMW, Ducati, and other Euro bike are big sellers to oil patch workers with cash burning a hole in their coveralls, because the savings can be much greater in the range of $3000.

Q
Anyone ever buy a new motorcycle in the US?

I am looking at the Dual Sport Suzuki DRZ400S

$7400 Cnd vs $5600 usd.

I assume the import requirements would be similar for a motorcyle.

Thanks

[jackboot]

Anyone ever buy a new motorcycle in the US?

I am looking at the Dual Sport Suzuki DRZ400S

$7400 Cnd vs $5600 usd.

I assume the import requirements would be similar for a motorcyle.

Thanks

That hardly seems worth it unless your USD price already includes GST, PST, Duty, fees, and transport to get it here.

[ReFuGeE]

That hardly seems worth it unless your USD price already includes GST, PST, Duty, fees, and transport to get it here.

Agreed, I think the big savings are for higher priced vehicles.

[bbb0bbb]

I just talked (again) with Subaru Canada and they told me that they expect to release the Outback 2007 in 2 weeks and that they will send the Compliance Label to RIV at the same time.

I cross my fingers! I want to import my Outback ASAP!

[Prof]

Just looked through the Driving section of the paper. Hyundai has an ad featuring several of their cars. The base 2007 Sonata GL (no longer available Stateside btw) is actually $1400 more than last year's price. What are these guys thinking? Add to that around $1400 for freight and PDI and you've got an asking price of near $25000. A US model Limited with far more equipment inc leather, V6, ABS, SC, alloys, 5sp auto, etc., etc., can be bought for under $21000 US and the warranty crosses into Canada. So, for less than the base model here, I can import, with warranty, a loaded model from the US. I pity the Hyundai dealers running stores anywhere near the borders.

[Anessa]

With this wonderful thread. You just have to pity the insipid Canadian car dealers who have had it good for too long. It takes more elbow grease to get what you want from America but it's worth it in the end. Aren't they suppose to be lowering prices to adjust with the new dollar exchange rate? What jerks.

[st7860]

With this wonderful thread. You just have to pity the insipid Canadian car dealers who have had it good for too long. It takes more elbow grease to get what you want from America but it's worth it in the end. Aren't they suppose to be lowering prices to adjust with the new dollar exchange rate? What jerks.

hold it! within seconds, I predict someone will come on and whine that the Canadian Dealers can't lower the prices by themselves.

[Yannai]

I don't think that the Hyundai USA warranty is good in Canada. What leads you to belive this?

[Rehan]

I don't think that the Hyundai USA warranty is good in Canada. What leads you to belive this? Yes, it's valid in Canada.
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1089211#post1089211

[Monsieurmaggot]

Warranty transferability merits a completely dedicated thread.

There have been and still are various class action lawsuit in the US and in Europe naming many of the major auto manufacturers with collusion and various other offences relating to their attempt to stop the importation of vehicles.

Overall, the car manufacturers are powerless to stop the export/importation of vehicles and can be heavily fined for even attempting to hamper free trade.

From the NAATA.org website:

"Vehicle manufacturers have been prosecuted by antitrust and competition regulators and have been sued in the courts for trying to prevent the sale of cross-border vehicles".


http://www.naata.org/new%20files/courts.html

[ecgz88]

Just looked through the Driving section of the paper. Hyundai has an ad featuring several of their cars. The base 2007 Sonata GL (no longer available Stateside btw) is actually $1400 more than last year's price. What are these guys thinking? Add to that around $1400 for freight and PDI and you've got an asking price of near $25000. A US model Limited with far more equipment inc leather, V6, ABS, SC, alloys, 5sp auto, etc., etc., can be bought for under $21000 US and the warranty crosses into Canada. So, for less than the base model here, I can import, with warranty, a loaded model from the US. I pity the Hyundai dealers running stores anywhere near the borders.

I fully agreed with you, Canada dealer just sucks, especially Toyota dealer in BC, they even don't want to bargin the price. Compared to states, you can get a quote from everywhere, then after few e-mail competition, your deal are done.

[loplop]

Man, I just got to share this with fellow Albertans and Edmontonians. I just came back from West Ed and was driving down Whitemud and GUESS WHAT? My friends say 'check out that hot subie man' and I look over to my left and there was a white WRX with red calipers gleaming in the sunlight. I slow down to check it out and noticed NO LISCENSE PLATE! Instead, there's a blue/yellow plate that say 'CARTER SUBARU'. True Beauty...anyways, this isn't thread isn't just for Subies so just to let you guys know, many people buying south of the border! and BUMP to a great thread :D :D

[develop]

Great thread!
I am in the market of a mini Van right now,so far I think I will go for the Toyota Sienna.Thanks for this useful thread, I will do the import for sure.
Having contacted with a couple of Oregan dealers(Since I am in Vancouver and no one in Washington State wants to sell to Canadians), so much savings than in Vancouver. Just a little concern about if I should wait for the Sienna 2007, it'll come with bigger engin(3.5 liters), wondering when the 2007 model arrives.

[jjcpa]

I am in Vancouver too. Did you check warranty? Lots of people talked that you can transfer warranty to Vancouver local dealers. Is it true?

thanks,

J

[icu_nxtime]

Anyone have any contacts in Buffalo?

Also is buffalo the best place any other close states have less sales tax which might make for a better deal?

Pricing is ~12,000 cheaper MSRP

I need to get 2 my mom want's one and I have to move from SUV to minivan with the 2 kids

Please PM me if you know of some dealers looking to negotiate and sell to Canadians

BTW not looking until Jan feb so no huge rush, just getting prepared.

Also can anyone provide their experience on trading their vehicle will the US give me similar money for my trade? 2000 Jimmy 4dr 4x4?

Thanks

[crikey]

I fully agreed with you, Canada dealer just sucks, especially Toyota dealer in BC, they even don't want to bargin the price. Compared to states, you can get a quote from everywhere, then after few e-mail competition, your deal are done.

Canadian dealers and, in general, the Canadian car market are somehow, indirectly encouraged by the government to sell vehicles at higher prices because more taxes are generated with higher vehicle transaction prices. Why is it that the invoice prices of cars sold in Canada are not public knowledge, whereas the invoice prices of vehicles sold in the US are easily available? If Canada really wanted consumers to get the best possible deal on a vehicle, legislation should be made such that the actual cost of the vehicle be public knowledge. Canada protects the business entity and the consumer is left holding the bag.

Same is true for Canadian banks...why are there only a handful of them? It's like a cartel and we consumers are constantly paying monthly service fees. In the US, free checking is free checking. The account earns no interest, but no service charges are levied as well.

[Yannai]

We brought in a Sienna from Montana to Calgary. No warranty issues and the price difference between that and the Koreans is minimal.

Anyone have any contacts in Buffalo?

Also is buffalo the best place any other close states have less sales tax which might make for a better deal?

Pricing is ~12,000 cheaper MSRP

I need to get 2 my mom want's one and I have to move from SUV to minivan with the 2 kids

Please PM me if you know of some dealers looking to negotiate and sell to Canadians

BTW not looking until Jan feb so no huge rush, just getting prepared.

Also can anyone provide their experience on trading their vehicle will the US give me similar money for my trade? 2000 Jimmy 4dr 4x4?

Thanks

[Monsieurmaggot]

There is no US sales tax on cars that are exported to Canada.

That's a huge savings for those who live in Alberta.

In the other provinces you pay sales tax but NEVER pay any US taxes.

Northtown Auto or WestHerr are two HUGE car dealers in Buffalo who sell to Canadians. Don't call and ask if they do, speak to a Rep. Once the rep. realizes you mean business, they will sell to you.

[develop]

I am in Vancouver too. Did you check warranty? Lots of people talked that you can transfer warranty to Vancouver local dealers. Is it true?

thanks,

J


According to tons of posts regarding Toyota warranty , I believe it is transferable( so far), you can also check http://www.siennaclub.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=11877

But honestly my current 2 Toyota cars were bought locally,I have no actural experience for this case.

[develop]

We brought in a Sienna from Montana to Calgary. No warranty issues and the price difference between that and the Koreans is minimal.


Good to hear that, congratulations!
Not sure if you ever get chance to go to the local dealer to run the VIN in their computer, that will see how the warranty works,hope it is the same easy as bought locally.

What model did you get? There are so many packages in States, but here for the 8 seats Sienna I don't have any options to choose.

[crikey]

There is no US sales tax on cars that are exported to Canada.

That's a huge savings for those who live in Alberta.

In the other provinces you pay sales tax but NEVER pay any US taxes.

That is correct. It is the same idea as buying from another state. Sales tax is paid in the state where the vehicle is to be registered, not necessarily where it is bought.

[icu_nxtime]

so if I buy in Buffalo I don't pay Buffalo state tax just the CDN GST\PST when I bring it back to Ontario? :idea:

I have contacted someone there, hopefully they are familiar with dealing with Canadians I might even get hime to do the investigative paperwork for me too :cheesygri

The other poster Yanni is correct between Hyundai and Kia the prices are the same, I think it might even be almost the same vehicle Many of the specs are identical. :?:

Edit Yanni are you saying the difference between Toyota and Hundai or Kia is Minimal. I'll have to check that out I'd go Sienna for sure if that's the case. Off to check it out Thanks :D

[Deemo]

so if I buy in Buffalo I don't pay Buffalo state tax just the CDN GST\PST when I bring it back to Ontario? :idea:


That is correct.

If you were to get the title in your name in the states at the state DMV then that is where they would collect the tax as they do with US citizens.

You are only getting the title signed over to you and then registered in Canada.

P.S. Sucks to have a provincial tax :D

[develop]

Hyundai owns Kia, so the 2007 Entourage Van was built based on Kia's.(According to a Hyundai sales).It looks pretty good , bigger engin(3.8 liters),better warranty.The MSRP price is similar with Sennia in Vancouver , but you can get cheaper than Toyota because it is negotiable.Not sure about the US price though. Pls notice Entourage is made in Korea, you will pay 6.1% tax for it if you import from States.




so if I buy in Buffalo I don't pay Buffalo state tax just the CDN GST\PST when I bring it back to Ontario? :idea:

I have contacted someone there, hopefully they are familiar with dealing with Canadians I might even get hime to do the investigative paperwork for me too :cheesygri

The other poster Yanni is correct between Hyundai and Kia the prices are the same, I think it might even be almost the same vehicle Many of the specs are identical. :?:

Edit Yanni are you saying the difference between Toyota and Hundai or Kia is Minimal. I'll have to check that out I'd go Sienna for sure if that's the case. Off to check it out Thanks :D

[ecgz88]

2007 Entourage Van was same as 2006 Kia Sedona

Are they built in Korea? I think Hyundai have a new factory in Albama

[Yannai]

Kia Sedona is made in Korea, Hyundai Entourage in the States so if you are importing, look at the Entourage to save the 6.1% duty (Although I would still go with the US-built Sienna)

[michelb]

2007 Entourage Van was same as 2006 Kia Sedona

Are they built in Korea? I think Hyundai have a new factory in Albama

I would be very surprised if the Hyundai is built in the US and the Kia built in Korea as the are built on the same line.

According to intellichoice.com, the 2007 Hyundai Entourage is built in Korea.
(http://www.intellichoice.com/reports/vehicleReport/vehicle_nmb/19360/section/specs/type/new/year/2007/make/Hyundai/model/Entourage)

[michelb]

Kia Sedona is made in Korea, Hyundai Entourage in the States so if you are importing, look at the Entourage to save the 6.1% duty (Although I would still go with the US-built Sienna)

The reviews are actually very good for the Entourage but I agree with you that the Sienna is probably a better bet. Actually, if you aren't specifically looking at a new one (or don't care to lose the manufacturers warranty), you could look at the Honda Odyssey which is also built in the US. Although I like the Sienna and would consider it, the Odyssey consistently scores higher in head-to-head reviews.

[icu_nxtime]

Just to point it out.

I am dealing with a dealer that has Hyundai, Kia and Toyota so we'll see what the best deal is and avout the 6% import for non us made cars.

Thanks for the feedback everyone.

[develop]

I did check the VIN number of the Hyundai Entourage the other day in Richmond Automall, it starts with "K".
If talking about the US model in States,then I don't know.

[matkokubko]

2007 Subaru is still NOT on the RIV list
http://www.riv.ca/english/US_vehicle_admissibility.pdf

Could anybody confirm whether is really not admissable or just the list on RIV's website is outdated?

[michelb]

2007 Subaru is still NOT on the RIV list
http://www.riv.ca/english/US_vehicle_admissibility.pdf

Could anybody confirm whether is really not admissable or just the list on RIV's website is outdated?

Try to read the thread (or at least search) before asking questions.

Someone else has already posted that if it's not on the list (even if it's because the vehicle is too new and the list hasn't been updated), the vehicle is not admissable. If it's a very new vehicle (especially something that's also sold in Canada), chances are it will be on the list eventually but until then, you can't import it.

[matkokubko]

I'm confused, RIV said no 2007's Subaru. Everybody tells me that if it's not on them RIV list then it's not allowed into the country yet, but Subaru 2007's are listed on autotrader:

http://www.trader.ca/search/Results.asp?BFROM=1&BAD=N&BPRICE=N&BTYPE=B&BCAT=1&BOREGION=-1&BYEAR1=2007&BYEAR2=2007&BPRICE1=&BPRICE2=&BKEYWORD=&BMAKE=765&BMODEL=&category=1&region=-1&makeid=765&adcopy=&multiphoto=N&SortBy=askprice&SortOrder=d&DisplayType=pictures&DisplayRowCount=48&mknm=765&mdnm=&subcategory=&CAT=1

and Peninsula Imports http://www.peninsulaimports.com/ sells (or at least advertizes that they sell) them in Canada.

[michelb]

I'm confused, RIV said no 2007's Subaru. Everybody tells me that if it's not on them RIV list then it's not allowed into the country yet, but Subaru 2007's are listed on autotrader:

http://www.trader.ca/search/Results.asp?BFROM=1&BAD=N&BPRICE=N&BTYPE=B&BCAT=1&BOREGION=-1&BYEAR1=2007&BYEAR2=2007&BPRICE1=&BPRICE2=&BKEYWORD=&BMAKE=765&BMODEL=&category=1&region=-1&makeid=765&adcopy=&multiphoto=N&SortBy=askprice&SortOrder=d&DisplayType=pictures&DisplayRowCount=48&mknm=765&mdnm=&subcategory=&CAT=1

and Peninsula Imports http://www.peninsulaimports.com/ sells (or at least advertizes that they sell) them in Canada.

That's two separate issues. Subaru dealerships can sell 2007s that are built to Canadian specifications and norms and designed for the Canadian market (not imported in the same way you mean) while you're trying to import a vehicle built to US specifications for the US market. The admissibilty of imports is handled by RIV (Registrar of Imported Vehicles) and they have a bit of a lag since they need to wait until the vehicle is available on the market in order to determine which (if any) modifications are required). Chances are the vehicle will be added to the list in the near future so some places might be offering them but strictly speaking, if it's not on the list today, you can't import it today.

[k2lc]

My insurance company (Johnson) told me they will not insure a vehicle with US plate temporary or not. But they can do on an Ontario one. I am not sure if I can drive the car back with Ontario temporary(trip) permit in the States. Please advise,

Thanks.

[k2lc]

Hi,

I am planing to import a Subaru within a month to GTA. Anybody has the plan, maybe we can join together to share experience, ride... PM me if you are interested.

[matkokubko]

Hi,

I am planing to import a Subaru within a month to GTA. Anybody has the plan, maybe we can join together to share experience, ride... PM me if you are interested.

I am having trouble with sending you PM.....
"k2lc has chosen not to receive private messages or may not be allowed to receive private messages. Therefore you may not send your message to him/her."

[k2lc]

I am having trouble with sending you PM.....
"k2lc has chosen not to receive private messages or may not be allowed to receive private messages. Therefore you may not send your message to him/her."
wired... just tried one and worked. anyway Ive PMed you my email.

[Tuppin]

Ok, I just got back from Maine with my 2006 Subaru Tribeca....fantastic car...was a demo with 12,000 miles on it. Just like new....leather 7 passenger, Navigation system....for under 29,000 Canadian!!!!!! No problems at the border....I took the bus down and drove back....What a Car!!! Would be $49-50000 Canadian!!! My wife is still in shock that it is our vehicle!!!

Evergreen Subaru in Lewiston....Talk to Tony....great dealer....rock bottom pricing. They have one other Demo 06 Tribeca Silver...5,000Miles....leather, 5 passenger limited for $27,100 US. PM me for any other questions.

[icu_nxtime]

Ok, I just got back from Maine with my 2006 Subaru Tribeca....fantastic car...was a demo with 12,000 miles on it. Just like new....leather 7 passenger, Navigation system....for under 29,000 Canadian!!!!!! No problems at the border....I took the bus down and drove back....What a Car!!! Would be $49-50000 Canadian!!! My wife is still in shock that it is our vehicle!!!

Evergreen Subaru in Lewiston....Talk to Tony....great dealer....rock bottom pricing. They have one other Demo 06 Tribeca Silver...5,000Miles....leather, 5 passenger limited for $27,100 US. PM me for any other questions.


That's an awesome deal congrats. Any chance you have some step by step details on what processes you followed that you could share for the group. I am seriously considering this in feb march and it would be nice to see a summary instead of going through all the pages of info myself. Just thought if you had done it recently it would be fresh in your mind.

Things like registration with license and insurance are of interest and the process with the dealer what did you do go see it first or all online. Did the dealer help you to prepare any paperwork etc...

Thanks in advance if yu can !!!

[k2lc]

How to handle the payment - cash or money order...? I dont have that much credit.

[charrma]

Yeah, great question! I am looking seriously into buying an Outback from the US, but I got quoted at 7.25% at CIBC and I have a good credit! Any hints/clues, as this might be my only obstacle - 7.25% is too much - takes away the point in importing!.....

How to handle the payment - cash or money order...? I dont have that much credit.

[Tuppin]

We put it on our line of credit which is at prime. The bank did up a bank draft....exchange rate....1.1125 which is pretty good.

There is a good summary of someone who imported here:
http://www.cars101.com/canada.html

Still have a few hurdles before I can register it.....Letter from the RIV (Registry of imported vehicles www.riv.ca) and a recall clearance letter from Subaru in the US showing there are no outstanding recalls for the vehicle.

[matkokubko]

How to handle the payment - cash or money order...? I dont have that much credit.

Deposit using credit card - U$500, the remainer as certified cheque or bank braft.

[spiderviper]

anyone got any info about importing a mini from the US? or experiences to share?

[baboo]

Great Thread!! Lots of usuful information here.

Just wondering if anyone has experience importaing a Toyota Prius or Camry Hybrid from US to Canada. I have noticed that all prius has VIN start with "J". Does that mean I will have to pay the 6.1% duty?

Any help is appreciated, thanks!!

[Anessa]

Made in Japan means 6.1% unfortunately.

[spiderviper]

im supposed to export documents to US customs at least 72 hours prior to exportation......what have you guys done about this? found a good deal on a car.....was thinking of flying down, buy the car off a private sale and drive it back up all within the same day..

how am i supposed to send the documents ahead of time? i dont feel like sleeping in the US for 3 nights.....

on top of it, i have to provide a sales receipt......is the gvt expecting people to buy a car from a dealership ? i doubt they'd accept a handwritten receipt from the seller....

and before anyone asks, i wont send the money 3 days before i even go see the car.........

thanks

[spiderviper]

i want a mini.....made by bmw.....i think built in england.......

i gotta pay duty of 6.1% ?

[turanuk]

i want a mini.....made by bmw.....i think built in england.......

i gotta pay duty of 6.1% ?


Yes.

[lexus]

I was on the same boat as you do few months ago. And eventually got one from local (GTA Toyota) at the ends. Here are some information:
1> After talked to serveral Toyota dealers in US (around Ontario), none of them will sell you a new one (assume you are resident of Canada). There are others can work with you on 'demo/used' basis but do you want it?
2> The Hybrid market in US is lot higher than Canada. People in the States are willing to pay MSRP+ to get one because their gov has a better rebates (the highest one I notice is US$3000) and that suppose to end Sept30,2006. The waiting list for Aug/Sept are even longer.
3> With the 6.1% duty and US-> Cdn (+Ont taxes). It is almost the same price. Plus it is a cash deal for you (I mean no finance/lease).
4> With the buy down lease rate in Ontario, I can said my final figure could be better than in States + save you 1 or 2 trips there.
5> I am not sure or not but did mention in this threat, colour 'Blue Ribbon' was not allow to import to Canada? And that is my colour.

So after 1 month of research, I ordered one in GTA and is waiting to be shipped to Canada in next few months.




Great Thread!! Lots of usuful information here.

Just wondering if anyone has experience importaing a Toyota Prius or Camry Hybrid from US to Canada. I have noticed that all prius has VIN start with "J". Does that mean I will have to pay the 6.1% duty?

Any help is appreciated, thanks!!

[y2imm]

Evidence we are being boned:

1. Currently looking for a Pontiac Vibe, finding several used on eBay and cars.com for several thousand less than comparable Canadian vehicles.

2. Japanese girlfriend and I looked at cars yesterday. She consistently guessed the prices of Japanese models about $10K less than the sticker price here.

[ecgz88]

I think Camry Hybrid is made in US? Still I seen lots of people in US get MSRP-$500 for Camry Hybrid.

How much do you pay finally for total? :)


I was on the same boat as you do few months ago. And eventually got one from local (GTA Toyota) at the ends. Here are some information:
1> After talked to serveral Toyota dealers in US (around Ontario), none of them will sell you a new one (assume you are resident of Canada). There are others can work with you on 'demo/used' basis but do you want it?
2> The Hybrid market in US is lot higher than Canada. People in the States are willing to pay MSRP+ to get one because their gov has a better rebates (the highest one I notice is US$3000) and that suppose to end Sept30,2006. The waiting list for Aug/Sept are even longer.
3> With the 6.1% duty and US-> Cdn (+Ont taxes). It is almost the same price. Plus it is a cash deal for you (I mean no finance/lease).
4> With the buy down lease rate in Ontario, I can said my final figure could be better than in States + save you 1 or 2 trips there.
5> I am not sure or not but did mention in this threat, colour 'Blue Ribbon' was not allow to import to Canada? And that is my colour.

So after 1 month of research, I ordered one in GTA and is waiting to be shipped to Canada in next few months.

[k2lc]

The Dealer told me if the necessary documentations have been faxed to the US customer 72 hrs an confirmed prior importing the car to Canada, I dont have to go the US customer which means I can pick up the car on Sat.. He mentioned lots of people did so. Is it true ?

[Deemo]

The Dealer told me if the necessary documentations have been faxed to the US customer 72 hrs an confirmed prior importing the car to Canada, I dont have to go the US customer which means I can pick up the car on Sat.. He mentioned lots of people did so. Is it true ?
If "customer"=US Customs and they are looking after it for you then yes.
I wouldn't hand that off to someone else though.
Ask them to forward you the approval (email or other) from US Customs as they will have supplied the date for export to them after they sent the documents to US Customs.
++++++Likely no export/import on weekends though++++++

[baboo]

Thanks a lot for sharing the experience. Mind to tell us how much you end up paying?

I have noticed that the US version of the Camry has the little navigation screen like the Prius does, but not the Canadian version. Can somebody confirm that is the case?

Also I have read on many sites that the Camry Hybrid's Final Assembly is USA, but most of the Camry Hybrid I have seen has VIN# starting with "J". I wonder what that's all about..


I was on the same boat as you do few months ago. And eventually got one from local (GTA Toyota) at the ends. Here are some information:

.....

So after 1 month of research, I ordered one in GTA and is waiting to be shipped to Canada in next few months.

[romsan04]

Thanks a lot for sharing the experience. Mind to tell us how much you end up paying?

I have noticed that the US version of the Camry has the little navigation screen like the Prius does, but not the Canadian version. Can somebody confirm that is the case?

Also I have read on many sites that the Camry Hybrid's Final Assembly is USA, but most of the Camry Hybrid I have seen has VIN# starting with "J". I wonder what that's all about..

yes Canadians dont get navi, in US it is optional.
The plant in US is in preparing stage at the moment, should go live pretty soon.

for all other questions go to www.toyota.com

[lexus]

Camry is made in US but not Hybrid (at least 2007).
The VIN for TCH starts with 'J' and that is the reason why my wife is willing to get a Camry over others.

Basically, discount on TCH is not that important to us. I will pay MSRP or even bit more for the Camry Hybrid. I do not just walk in and ask for discount, in this case, compare the different btw Camry LE and Hybrid. You will find Hybrid is giving you lot more than just LE, SE, XLE. If you do a bit more research on Lexus/Toyota, then you will find at this time only TCH has VDIM standard on it.

I am sure you already did your work and agree what I said. Good luck on yours.

I leased mine with close to Cdn$2000 discount and we are very happy with that even still have no idea when is the delivery date :( (last time I was told is near Christmas)


I think Camry Hybrid is made in US? Still I seen lots of people in US get MSRP-$500 for Camry Hybrid.

How much do you pay finally for total? :)

[mikeroyal]

Help wonder if any one can help me with this
I have purchased a 2003 Honda Pilot from a dealer in Texas (not a Honda dealer)
Pilot has just been picked up from dealers, Phoned Honda US and they point blank refused to issue me with a Recall Clearance Letter
Any ideas to ware I can obtain a recall clearance letter would be much appreciated :cheesygri

[MMMM]

To get a letter of recall if Honda will not provide it:

Go to Honda.com
Go to Ownerlink (its under sevices)
Register your vehicle
You only have to provide an email, username and VIN, no address is needed.
Once you have registered goto the recall link and print out the page that comes up.

RIV states this will satisfy their rquirements as long as it shows official Honda logos

Mike

[mikeroyal]

Thanks for the reply Mike I was aware of that link and I already have printed the page but it dose not show your VIN number on this page and also is not signed by anyone so it wouldn’t meet the requirement underlined below,


A recall clearance letter is a document issued by the original equipment manufacturer (OEM) of your vehicle that states whether or not there are any outstanding recalls on your vehicle. If you are not sure of what a recall is, simply put, it is a safety defect on your vehicle as a result of the original manufacturing process. The OEM is responsible for notifying the last known owner, and fixing the problem normally at their expense. It's best to obtain this information before you import the vehicle to avoid any unnecessary delays.

The letter must come from the OEM's head office and be written on official company letterhead, duly signed with the name and position of the official at the OEM clearly visible. If the manufacturer's logo is not on the letter it will not be accepted.

We will also accept a printout from an authorized American dealer. If you obtain a printout from an American dealer, you must ensure that they are an authorized dealer and not a re-seller. You can confirm this by calling the head office of the manufacturer and providing them with the location of the dealership in question

If the printout is from an authorized American dealership, the company stamp must be affixed to the printout. In either case, the 17 digit Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) of the vehicle in question must be included in the letter.
If your vehicle does not have any outstanding recalls then the letter should say "this vehicle has no outstanding recalls." This letter must be presented to your authorized inspection centre, where it will be forwarded along with your completed Form 2 to the RIV.

If your vehicle does have a recall you will need to complete all repairs required. Once completed, the dealer will provide you with an invoice that contains the same work order number as your recall letter. You will then take the recall letter with the invoice from the dealer with you to your federal inspection as proof that the outstanding recall has been completed.

[Deemo]

Help wonder if any one can help me with this
I have purchased a 2003 Honda Pilot from a dealer in Texas (not a Honda dealer)
Pilot has just been picked up from dealers, Phoned Honda US and they point blank refused to issue me with a Recall Clearance Letter
Any ideas to ware I can obtain a recall clearance letter would be much appreciated :cheesygri
Get the dealer to get it for you.
Try Honda Canada.
That is total crap and none of their business.
If you decide to take it after warrenty or give up remaining warrenty who cares.
Give 'em hell.

[MMMM]

Mike

Check with RIV. I did and they stated that would be sufficient.

Call them, they are the ones who told me about the link.

Mike

[k2lc]

The insurance companies really gave me hard time. When I quoted at TD MM for the new car, they told they can insure the car and the only requirement was to fax the Title to them within 7 days. When I wanted to activate the policy, all of sudden they said they can only insure a car within Canada. The reason is I am setting up a new policy and 7 days are not waived ?! :twisted:

[mikeroyal]

Mike Did you import a Honda then?
When I phoned Honda US they told me because I was not an American resident they would not supply and information to me and they considered the car a grey import and were quite anal about it.
So did you just print of the screen under recalls and they accepted that with out your VIN number on it.
Did you try Honda Canada and would they have access to this information.
The Car was even built in Canada
Thanks In Advance

[Anessa]

Do you have to disclose that it's an American bought car to the insurance company? I would think it'd be none of their beeswax

[ecgz88]

Cdn$2000 discount for a TCH? What a good deal!

Im in BC right now and Toyota dealer in BC won't bargin a little for the price. :mad:


Camry is made in US but not Hybrid (at least 2007).
The VIN for TCH starts with 'J' and that is the reason why my wife is willing to get a Camry over others.

Basically, discount on TCH is not that important to us. I will pay MSRP or even bit more for the Camry Hybrid. I do not just walk in and ask for discount, in this case, compare the different btw Camry LE and Hybrid. You will find Hybrid is giving you lot more than just LE, SE, XLE. If you do a bit more research on Lexus/Toyota, then you will find at this time only TCH has VDIM standard on it.

I am sure you already did your work and agree what I said. Good luck on yours.

I leased mine with close to Cdn$2000 discount and we are very happy with that even still have no idea when is the delivery date :( (last time I was told is near Christmas)

[MMMM]

Yep, I imported an Element. I did receive a recall letter form the dealer. But RIV stated the recall info on the screen would be suffucient.

Call RIV to double check

Honda USA will be no help what so ever. Not to sure about Honda Canada. When I first approached them about warrenty questions they were not helpfull at all.

Mike

[danomed]

Holy Crap, I just started looking around at the price differences and I don't think I will buy in Canada again...
Price: 7000 (~8050 Cdn)!!!!!


VIN Number: JNKCV54E23M206255
Miles: 32000

2003 INFINITI G35, Coupe, Navigation system, heated / power leather seats, sunroof / moonroof, one adult owner, non-smoker, always garaged and pampered, includes original books, keys, etc. Gorgeous graphite over black leather, never in an accident or damaged - no dings!
There are very minor (typical) nicks in the lower front bumper from normal driving and I was able to find three very slight scratches on the drivers side probably from something rubbing the car in the garage. They do not go through the paint and are very difficult to find - didn't show in the photos. Two are less than 1 inch long and the third is about 6 inches long right behind the drivers door. They all look like they could be polished out.
Car has never required anything other than standard maintenance and it runs as it did the day it was driven off the lot. Very tight, no pulls, no issues. Carpets and mats were just shampooed and look great. The mats show normal / limited wear, carpet underneath is excellent.

[saugaboy]

2003 infinity for 7000 usd, thats rather unbelievable, was it a private sale, how did yu get it back to Canada, i mean have bill of sale ad all.

[sironside]

Show some proof........VIN checks out, but I think you missed a digit in that price.....ie) $17,000USD would be more realistic.



Holy Crap, I just started looking around at the price differences and I don't think I will buy in Canada again...
Price: 7000 (~8050 Cdn)!!!!!


VIN Number: JNKCV54E23M206255
Miles: 32000

2003 INFINITI G35, Coupe, Navigation system, heated / power leather seats, sunroof / moonroof, one adult owner, non-smoker, always garaged and pampered, includes original books, keys, etc. Gorgeous graphite over black leather, never in an accident or damaged - no dings!
There are very minor (typical) nicks in the lower front bumper from normal driving and I was able to find three very slight scratches on the drivers side probably from something rubbing the car in the garage. They do not go through the paint and are very difficult to find - didn't show in the photos. Two are less than 1 inch long and the third is about 6 inches long right behind the drivers door. They all look like they could be polished out.
Car has never required anything other than standard maintenance and it runs as it did the day it was driven off the lot. Very tight, no pulls, no issues. Carpets and mats were just shampooed and look great. The mats show normal / limited wear, carpet underneath is excellent.

[sironside]

I found one even cheaper - beat $5900! ha!

$5900 G35 Coupe! WOW!! (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?rdpage=thumb&car_id=208097531&dealer_id=572722&car_year=2003&mod_bookmark_id=null&search_type=both&num_records=100&make=INFIN&transmission=&distance=0&model=G35&address=59474&make2=&certified=&advanced=y&max_mileage=&max_price=17000&bkms=1158771116109&min_price=1&end_year=2007&color=&start_year=1981&drive=&engine=&body_style=COUPE&doors=&fuel=&lang=en&cardist=1595)