WOW ---- New cars from US up to 30% cheaper (cost to import under $200)

[dotcalamitie]

Excellent Bullseye!!! Congratulations. Aren't there any dealers closer to home, like Niagara or Buffalo? Did you go to Rochester because the Niagara/Buffalo guys weren't as competitive?

[Vitulla]

I imported a 15 year + car, and its past 45 days...is it still ok? The car is in storage, it is not on the road, but what happens after 45 days?
Thanks

[LoveRFD]

It's funny to see that on one side, people are saying it's really hard to find a Toyota dealer willing to sell to Canadians, on the other side, Toyota is the second most imported in the list of Wall of Savers on www.carburner.com.
Totally 26 people posted on there, 13 are Subaru, 9 are Toyota.

[shopper-X]

I imported a 15 year + car, and its past 45 days...is it still ok? The car is in storage, it is not on the road, but what happens after 45 days?
Thanks

AFAIK, any car older then 15 years is exempt from the RIV program.

[Ebola]

AFAIK, any car older then 15 years is exempt from the RIV program.

Correct.

[underpants]

Anyone know if the NY state temp permit is even legit at all in Canada?? Can't imagine the cops here would even know what to make of it. I know my co-worker drove around for a couple weeks with his with no problem, but I'm a bit nervous about driving with it until I get properly plated.

I drove around with my temporary Pennsylvania permit for almost a month last summer. I even drove back and forth from the cottage a few times. No problems.

I'm fairly certain it's legal.

BTW congrats on the purchase! It feels good to save a few thousand eh?!:cheesygri

[Yannai]

That's the most contradicting comment you've ever made.

Probably not ever :-)

I agree with you that the market needs to set the price, but because of the complexity of the FX and magnitude, it's entirely possible that individual companies/business units are screwed to the point where they can't react. An importer into Canada might have hedged his costs at $0.85 and has no savings to pass on. He is better off with reduced sales at some margin than losing money on each sale and making it up in volume. This is obviously not sustainable and if he can't ride it out until his hedges expire he will eventually go under. If there is any party in this situation throughout the supply chain the whole thing gets stalled.

[HighFlyer]

Anyone know if the NY state temp permit is even legit at all in Canada?? Can't imagine the cops here would even know what to make of it. I know my co-worker drove around for a couple weeks with his with no problem, but I'm a bit nervous about driving with it until I get properly plated.
A colleague got pulled over by Peel and was subsequently let go after they inspected the Form 1 and the package of forms given by VB. I registered mine 2 days after crossing the border.

Congrats on the new car :)

[jnmontario]

Can I summarize what I need? I'm in negotiations with a Toyota dealership down a few states (on the hopes that TC/RIV will soon allow 2008's) and I have asked them when the time comes to:

- give me the recall letter
- give me the MCO (or CoA or whatever it's called) at the time of purchase
- bill of sale


That's it in advance until I'm 72 hrs out from taking possession right?

[googz]

Thank you...much appreciated.
So when people are saying Xan is offering great rates, his prices do not include the MASS taxes.

hmmm another factor to consider

Xan works at Manchester Subaru which is in New Hampshire, therefore NO STATE TAX.

[bguy7890]

I passed thru the border on Thurs. afternoon(18th) and went home and paid the fee on line for the used Honda Pilot we bought. Friday I emailed the recall letter and Owners link pages along with the receipt of payment with reference # off of form 1. I phoned today the 23rd and RIv doesn't even have the copy from customs yet. Anybody hear have any info on their situation and RIV times.

You may want to fax a copy of the Form 1 to RIV yourself. I imported my car at the Pacific Hwy crossing today and was instructed by the Customs officer (he actually gave an instruction sheet) to fax Form 1, MSO, and recall letter to RIV. Seems like they may have stopped faxing Form 1 to RIV.
Hope this helps.

[Lost Horizon]

You may want to fax a copy of the Form 1 to RIV yourself. I imported my car at the Pacific Hwy crossing today and was instructed by the Customs officer (he actually gave an instruction sheet) to fax Form 1, MSO, and recall letter to RIV. Seems like they may have stopped faxing Form 1 to RIV.
Hope this helps.

That's my experience.. I got home then:

1. Did the Fax (called first to make sure they knew I was in a hurry :)
2. Went online and paid the fee
3. Called 24 hrs later, the guy asked if I wanted the stuff emailed to me
4. Email arrived 2 minutes later
5. Called CT and got in the same day. CT Faxed the Form 2 stuff for me
6. Got the plates by 16:30, the car is now a Canadian Citizen.. waiting on the sticker.

All this took 2 days and change to BC Plates.

[Mike_C]

Thanks everyone (esp delseeker), I just got a great deal from NorthTown on the 08 Tribeca. They pretty much PM van bortel's internet price...

[maurice t]

Has anyone imported a mazda5 into Canada used or new? How easy was it, was there any modifications etc. Reply here or PM. I'm looking a used 2006. Thanks

[allknowing]

Says don't blame the dealers blame the manufacturers. Got a point but money is money.
Daryl.

http://news.therecord.com/Opinions/article/260265

Critique of auto prices inaccurate, misleading

October 24, 2007
Dietrich Look

It was with great concern that I read the Oct. 18 article about Phil Edmonston's ill-conceived advice to Canadians not to buy cars in Canada.

Sure this is a hot issue right now, and Edmonston commenting in his usual biased way is no surprise . After all, he was appearing in the public library and is selling a book.

His reasoning, however, is flawed and very misleading. His assertion, "But there's no way I'm going to give a gift of $10,000 to my dealer simply because he wants to make a huge profit," is inflammatory and far removed from the Canadian dealers' reality. The cost prices of vehicles here are set by the respective manufacturers, and are proportionately higher than those in the U.S. It is not the case that the Canadian dealer is making a huge profit.

As a matter of fact, many Canadian dealers right now are cutting their already slim margins to retain reluctant buyers in order to keep moving costly inventory. The parity of the Canadian dollar versus the U.S. greenback has given reason to many consumers questioning the disparity of Canadian pricing on many goods versus the U.S. pricing, not just cars. I'm sure that the market as usual will dictate a solution in the end. I only hope that manufacturers -- including car manufacturers -- act soon to relieve this unfortunate situation.

The appeal by federal Finance Minister Jim Flaherty to Canadian retailers to lower prices was equally misplaced and aimed at the wrong target. Manufacturers and suppliers are the ones that must be urged to act. Flaherty's remarks would have been more helpful and responsible had they been more accurate and informed.

Dietrich Look

Dealer, Volkswagen Waterloo

Waterloo

[Bullseye]

Excellent Bullseye!!! Congratulations. Aren't there any dealers closer to home, like Niagara or Buffalo? Did you go to Rochester because the Niagara/Buffalo guys weren't as competitive?

I went to Van Bortel because no one has posted about any Canadian friendly Subaru dealers closer to home, and I was too lazy to look for myself. :cheesygri Also, I liked their no-haggle price policy, and the fact that everyone has had good experiences with Karl there.

They definitely made it easy, they know the whole process, right up to registering with our ministry in Ontario.

[dotcalamitie]

To some extent I agree with Dietrich Look, but let's not talk whine about slim margins please. The last time I looked, the majority of car dealers are multimillionaires with licenses to print money. The bulk of the $10,000 they talk about is going to the manufacturers, not the dealers. The smart dealers are selling used US cars and making $5,000. A lot more than the few thousand they make on a typical new car.

[shopper-X]

Says don't blame the dealers blame the manufacturers. Got a point but money is money.
Daryl.

http://news.therecord.com/Opinions/article/260265

Critique of auto prices inaccurate, misleading

October 24, 2007
Dietrich Look

It was with great concern that I read the Oct. 18 article about Phil Edmonston's ill-conceived advice to Canadians not to buy cars in Canada.

Sure this is a hot issue right now, and Edmonston commenting in his usual biased way is no surprise . After all, he was appearing in the public library and is selling a book.

His reasoning, however, is flawed and very misleading. His assertion, "But there's no way I'm going to give a gift of $10,000 to my dealer simply because he wants to make a huge profit," is inflammatory and far removed from the Canadian dealers' reality. The cost prices of vehicles here are set by the respective manufacturers, and are proportionately higher than those in the U.S. It is not the case that the Canadian dealer is making a huge profit.

As a matter of fact, many Canadian dealers right now are cutting their already slim margins to retain reluctant buyers in order to keep moving costly inventory. The parity of the Canadian dollar versus the U.S. greenback has given reason to many consumers questioning the disparity of Canadian pricing on many goods versus the U.S. pricing, not just cars. I'm sure that the market as usual will dictate a solution in the end. I only hope that manufacturers -- including car manufacturers -- act soon to relieve this unfortunate situation.

The appeal by federal Finance Minister Jim Flaherty to Canadian retailers to lower prices was equally misplaced and aimed at the wrong target. Manufacturers and suppliers are the ones that must be urged to act. Flaherty's remarks would have been more helpful and responsible had they been more accurate and informed.

Dietrich Look

Dealer, Volkswagen Waterloo

Waterloo

I got one thing to say to that.
Why are the invoice price of Canadian cars no-where to be found unless you pay for a report? You can find the invoice price of almost every US car for sale on sites like MSN, Yahoo!, Costco Auto Program, etc. Even a lot of dealers post the invoice prices of cars.
If the margins in Canada are so slim, show us by opening the book and posting the invoice price.

[ian46]

The real question you should be asking is why a MDX built a few miles from your house has a Freight/PDI of $ 1,855.00 in Canada and Destination of $715.00 the US.
I know they like to hide behind wording like in Canada it's Freight + PDI (pre-delivery inspection) and in the US it's Destination. For fun let’s take the dollar at par and cost to deliver a MDX to Vancouver the same as the delivery to Florida. That means the dealer is charging $1,140 for PDI, and that to be sounds like the dealer is really hurting [sarcasium].


You make a great point ! They seem to screw us
every chance they get !

But selling products in other countries for LESS
than it costs in your home market - Isn't that called DUMPING ?

Do we have another LAW in play folks ?

As always, my personal opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of any group,
company, etc. You should do your own research first before coming
to your own opinions and conclusions.

[huskylord]

Does the Tribeca need premium gas? I'm finding conflicting info on this.

[fugazi11]

Does the Tribeca need premium gas? I'm finding conflicting info on this.

2007 - Yes
2008 - NO

[Tuppin]

Does the Tribeca need premium gas? I'm finding conflicting info on this.

Premium fuel is recommended but not required on 06 and 07 models....works fine with regular. 08's just require regular.

[Think]

What about extended warranties? Will they be covered in Canada?

[huskylord]

Thank you...(that really helped ease my mind in arguing with the wife about a Tribeca vs CR-V).

[bionicbadger]

Premium fuel is recommended but not required on 06 and 07 models....works fine with regular. 08's just require regular.

06 and 07 get poorer performance with regular fuel though, not as much power and worse gas milage.

[hammer]

I found a NY toyota dealer willing to sell me TAX free if I have any out of state address. I am going to use my sisters in washington. He just says I need insurance.

Does anyone know if I need a US insurance as well or will Canadian do?


Does anyone know of any short term (24 hours) US insurance companies that they have dealt with?

[dotcalamitie]

Lets talk about the premium vs regular gas scam...do you really think you need premium gas? Do you think the car manufacturers don't collude with the gas companies for the "premium" fuel label (like pay me $100 per car and we'll put the premium sticker on there for you). Let me tell you the machines I've been running on regular fuel, with no noticeable impact on fuel economy or performance despite saying they need premium gas...

BMW 645 - yes, I ran my $120,000 CDN car entirely on regular unleaded from new - car runs like a top!
G35 - my nephew ran his brand new G35 entirely on regular unleaded from day one - 3 years later, no problemo's.
SeaDoo RXP - 215 HP Supercharged, intercooled, runs great thru hundreds of hours of regular gas, despite "requiring" premium unleaded

BMW 545 - my brother has been running his for almost 3 years now on regular unleaded

I could go on...

My 2002 BMW 745, despite using nothing but premium unleaded required a complete engine rebuild at 20,000 km (actually they thought about replacing the engine - $25,000 vs $19,000 for the total rebuild). Seeing as my 645 has the same engine as the 745, I think I did better using regular fuel, what do you think?

[longdong]

I found a NY toyota dealer willing to sell me TAX free if I have any out of state address. I am going to use my sisters in washington. He just says I need insurance.

Does anyone know if I need a US insurance as well or will Canadian do?


Does anyone know of any short term (24 hours) US insurance companies that they have dealt with?

Some car dealers they have deal from car rental car, so they have temporary insurance company with it. I think the dealer knew it, you can ask him for reference or you can buy from him too.

[killbillvol1]

I found a NY toyota dealer willing to sell me TAX free if I have any out of state address. I am going to use my sisters in washington. He just says I need insurance.

Does anyone know if I need a US insurance as well or will Canadian do?


Does anyone know of any short term (24 hours) US insurance companies that they have dealt with?

Check with your current insurer if you have coverage. sometimes you get 30 day temporary coverage while driving a vehicle before registration, etc.

[scrolllock]

For myself, I brought my 08 Outback home today from Van Bortel. All smooth sailing so far! There was a big line up (luckily formed behind me!) at Lewiston US customs, and only ONE poor woman working the office in a frantic state. 15 minutes there. On to Canada customs, lots of staff there, no lines. Paid GST, got Form 1, and was on my way.

Anyone know if the NY state temp permit is even legit at all in Canada?? Can't imagine the cops here would even know what to make of it. I know my co-worker drove around for a couple weeks with his with no problem, but I'm a bit nervous about driving with it until I get properly plated.

I have heard mny different views -

N.Y. dealers aso seem to have the authority to extend the date if required. I am trying to get some info on all this.

At the same time I have been told that it varies by province. Since Quebec is no fault you could be in trouble. But knowone seems to know.
Anyone else with this issue?

[shaolinmonk]

no one seems to interested in the forester.. any particular reason?

[Bullseye]

no one seems to interested in the forester.. any particular reason?

Likely it's the 6.1% duty payable on it, as it's made in Japan.

For us, we looked at it anyways, but the lack of side curtain airbags was a deal breaker for us. We have young kids, and that is an essential safety feature for us.

I'll tell anyone considering it to wait, though, they are doing a major redesign for 2009. It will be bigger inside and out, and more SUV looking than it is. It will also have side curtain airbags and vehicle dynamics control come standard. I may actually sell my Outback in a year and get one then, seeing as I could probably sell it for at least what I paid for it.

[shaolinmonk]

Likely it's the 6.1% duty payable on it, as it's made in Japan.

For us, we looked at it anyways, but the lack of side curtain airbags was a deal breaker for us. We have young kids, and that is an essential safety feature for us.

I'll tell anyone considering it to wait, though, they are doing a major redesign for 2009. It will be bigger inside and out, and more SUV looking than it is. It will also have side curtain airbags and vehicle dynamics control come standard. I may actually sell my Outback in a year and get one then, seeing as I could probably sell it for at least what I paid for it.

seems all the subie's are great with crash tests...6.1% hmmm.. forgot about that... it's a wash with the dollar lol...ya i'm putting the car purchase off till next year... just doing the research now...

[thfwong]

Can someone who already imported a vehicle manufactured after Sept 1, 2007 tell me what the inspector at CT will need to sign-off that the vehicle has a immobilizer that complies with CMVSS 114?

Thank you for your reply.

[kidda]

Have anybody imported Acura TL 2005 to Canada. Please share the experience. Thanks

[kuqdew]

:cheesygri

[shopper-X]

Can someone who already imported a vehicle manufactured after Sept 1, 2007 tell me what the inspector at CT will need to sign-off that the vehicle has a immobilizer that complies with CMVSS 114?

Thank you for your reply.

From my experience CT does not check much. They wrote the tire pressure down and checked the airbag sticker. The inspecter was done in less then 45 seconds with the car, but took 10 minutes typing in stuff in the CT system.

[yu130960]

Lets talk about the premium vs regular gas scam...do you really think you need premium gas? Do you think the car manufacturers don't collude with the gas companies for the "premium" fuel label (like pay me $100 per car and we'll put the premium sticker on there for you). Let me tell you the machines I've been running on regular fuel, with no noticeable impact on fuel economy or performance despite saying they need premium gas...

BMW 645 - yes, I ran my $120,000 CDN car entirely on regular unleaded from new - car runs like a top!
G35 - my nephew ran his brand new G35 entirely on regular unleaded from day one - 3 years later, no problemo's.
SeaDoo RXP - 215 HP Supercharged, intercooled, runs great thru hundreds of hours of regular gas, despite "requiring" premium unleaded

BMW 545 - my brother has been running his for almost 3 years now on regular unleaded

I could go on...

My 2002 BMW 745, despite using nothing but premium unleaded required a complete engine rebuild at 20,000 km (actually they thought about replacing the engine - $25,000 vs $19,000 for the total rebuild). Seeing as my 645 has the same engine as the 745, I think I did better using regular fuel, what do you think?

Most modern engines have built in controls to ****** the timing to take into account low octane gas. If it didn't you would get "dieseling" and after a preiod of time detonation which would damage you engine. In effect, if you run 87 octane in a car setup to run 91+, you car will detune itself to run on the cheap gas (cool feature).

I think most manufactures set up their cars ultra conservative to account for the cheap gas, which leads to a whole industry devoted to "rechip" cars to take advantage of the fact that some guys will only run 94+ octane in their cars.

[flaming homer]

no one seems to interested in the forester.. any particular reason?I imported a 2007 Forester, this was this May, and before the Immobolizer rule came into effect. You'll be hard pressed to import 2008 Foresters because of that rule

Likely it's the 6.1% duty payable on it, as it's made in Japan.

For us, we looked at it anyways, but the lack of side curtain airbags was a deal breaker for us. We have young kids, and that is an essential safety feature for us.

I'll tell anyone considering it to wait, though, they are doing a major redesign for 2009. It will be bigger inside and out, and more SUV looking than it is. It will also have side curtain airbags and vehicle dynamics control come standard. I may actually sell my Outback in a year and get one then, seeing as I could probably sell it for at least what I paid for it.
They're always doing re-design, and I still saved over $8K even with the 6.1% duty. The rear curtain airbag is an interesting issue, from my understanding they're essential for SUV as they can roll when turning to tight or side-strucked. However, the Forester is not really an SUV, has a low gravity and is unlikely to roll, hence the rear air curtain was not deemed "essential" - you can see this by the test results and their high "star" rating.

This is just my research conclusions. At the time I wanted to buy, the other Subaru was the Tribeca, and the 2007 model year is not that good of a buy. 2008 on the other hand, wow....

[Hesh1]

I just got my recall notice from the manufacturer, they spelt my name wrong on the letter, would this be a problem with the RIV?

[Mongo]

From my experience CT does not check much. They wrote the tire pressure down and checked the airbag sticker. The inspecter was done in less then 45 seconds with the car, but took 10 minutes typing in stuff in the CT system.

Agree with you there shopper-x. I took my Tacoma to CT in S'toon in Dec/06
I didn't even see anyone approach the vehicle in the parking lot,it certainly wasn't done indoors.I think they saw that it had airbags/side airbags and DRL's on the option list and rubber stamped it inspected.

[reddy54]

OK.. Transport Canada has just updated their importable vehicles.

Date: Oct 23 (Previous Oct 9)

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/VAFUS.pdf

Unfortunately...

Honda/Acura/Toyota/Lexus - NO 2008.

The list as noted in another post lists the Nissan Altima 2008 4 dr sedan as not admissable. I called Transport Canada this am and enquired why. They said that the manufacturer advises them as to admissibility or non-admissibility.

Whats to stop Toyota, Lexus and Honda from just saying that their vehicles are not admissible thereby ending any chance of import.

RIV person told me that once vehicle non admissible then you cannot bring it in even if you modify it to conform. This cannot be correct is it?

[Tender]

I imported a 2007 Forester, this was this May, and before the Immobolizer rule came into effect. You'll be hard pressed to import 2008 Foresters because of that rule....

Inadmissible Foresters:

2007 September 2007 and newer Forester 2.5X, Forester Sports 2.5X, Forester 2.5X with premium package, Forester 2.5X L.L. Bean

So basically you only have 2.5XT left.

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/VAFUS.pdf

[shaolinmonk]

I imported a 2007 Forester, this was this May, and before the Immobolizer rule came into effect. You'll be hard pressed to import 2008 Foresters because of that rule


....

Immobolizer rule???????? care to explain...

[Bullseye]

I imported a 2007 Forester, this was this May, and before the Immobolizer rule came into effect. You'll be hard pressed to import 2008 Foresters because of that rule


They're always doing re-design, and I still saved over $8K even with the 6.1% duty. The rear curtain airbag is an interesting issue, from my understanding they're essential for SUV as they can roll when turning to tight or side-strucked. However, the Forester is not really an SUV, has a low gravity and is unlikely to roll, hence the rear air curtain was not deemed "essential" - you can see this by the test results and their high "star" rating.

This is just my research conclusions. At the time I wanted to buy, the other Subaru was the Tribeca, and the 2007 model year is not that good of a buy. 2008 on the other hand, wow....

The current Forester chassis is ancient, hasn't been overhauled in many years. The 2009 will be all new.

I know the Forester still has a good side crash rating, although I'm not sure how. Every vehicle I looked at that had a less than highest side rating had it because of a lack of curtain airbags.

At any rate, Subaru thought it was important enough that they added it for 2009. What does that tell you?

Curiously, the 2009 will also be more fuel efficient, despite being bigger in every way!

[sunny302]

Got my Outback yesterday from Karl at Van Bortel, the car drives better than the Honda's and Toyota's of the same price, too bad for them.... go buy a Subaru... trust me you will be happy. Thanks for all the feedback from this site. The whole process was made so simple with the Van Bortel team, and talk about the service, almost second to none....

pictures to follow...

[lh0628]

Inadmissible Foresters:

2007 September 2007 and newer Forester 2.5X, Forester Sports 2.5X, Forester 2.5X with premium package, Forester 2.5X L.L. Bean

So basically you only have 2.5XT left.

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/VAFUS.pdf

I have no problem with that:twisted:

[yyz2hkg]

Have anybody imported Acura TL 2005 to Canada. Please share the experience. Thanks

Someone on the forum imported a 2007 Acura TL, IIRC, some 200 pages back. Had pictures, just can't seem to find it through all the 450+ pages now.

[flaming homer]

Immobolizer rule???????? care to explain...As of September 1, Canadian vehicles must all be installed with engine immobilizer, this rule applies to all imported vehicles too.

The current Forester chassis is ancient, hasn't been overhauled in many years. The 2009 will be all new.

I know the Forester still has a good side crash rating, although I'm not sure how. Every vehicle I looked at that had a less than highest side rating had it because of a lack of curtain airbags.

At any rate, Subaru thought it was important enough that they added it for 2009. What does that tell you?

Curiously, the 2009 will also be more fuel efficient, despite being bigger in every way!
Interesting that you know of this, considering the people at forester owner's forum all droll over fake 2009 pictures. Still, cars are like computers, they're always going to get bigger, better, and faster - people who owns Honda with their 2-year mini-vamp and 4-year redesign knows this all too well. I'll bet the 2014 Forester will be even better....

[diigii]

I also had this debate on whether I should use 87 or 91 gas on my 2007 Altima SE. I've asked a lot of knowledgeable people, most of them mechanics, if I'm okay using 87 gas. They all said yes. The only drawback is a noticeable reduction in performance since I wouldn't be getting the full 270 hp capability. Well, who needs 270 hp in city driving anyway? And if I drive the car hard, I would be sacrificing fuel efficiency. I've been watching my fuel consumption since I got my car. And I am just so psyched to see it gives me between 8.7 to 10.1 in city driving when the revs are below 2000 rpm and in 6th gear; 6.7 to 7.8 in highway driving doing 114 km/h! That is about the same as my 2000 Altima 4 cylinder! I'm really loving and happy that I got the V6.

Most modern engines have built in controls to ****** the timing to take into account low octane gas. If it didn't you would get "dieseling" and after a preiod of time detonation which would damage you engine. In effect, if you run 87 octane in a car setup to run 91+, you car will detune itself to run on the cheap gas (cool feature).

I think most manufactures set up their cars ultra conservative to account for the cheap gas, which leads to a whole industry devoted to "rechip" cars to take advantage of the fact that some guys will only run 94+ octane in their cars.

[shaolinmonk]

As of September 1, Canadian vehicles must all be installed with engine immobilizer, this rule applies to all imported vehicles too.....

so pretty much all the new subie's have an engine immobilizer except the forester? how does that make sense??

[Bullseye]

Interesting that you know of this, considering the people at forester owner's forum all droll over fake 2009 pictures. Still, cars are like computers, they're always going to get bigger, better, and faster - people who owns Honda with their 2-year mini-vamp and 4-year redesign knows this all too well. I'll bet the 2014 Forester will be even better....

I do have some inside info on the 09 Forester. No pics, though, although I did see the new interior.

[Bullseye]

RIV must be swamped, I e-mailed scanned Form 1, Title, and Recall this morning, and just called to see if they have it. She said even still, it'll be up to a week to get me the Form 2.

Anyone know if I can take my VIN and Title to the Ontario ministry and get a temporary permit?

[jadeboy]

RIV must be swamped, I e-mailed scanned Form 1, Title, and Recall this morning, and just called to see if they have it. She said even still, it'll be up to a week to get me the Form 2.


What if your temporary insurance runs out (ie.. 14 days) and RIV still has not sent you the Form 2? How can you legally drive from the location of your car to Canadian Tire?

[ggweci]

I do have some inside info on the 09 Forester. No pics, though, although I did see the new interior.

Details please :) Rumours say it'll be more CRV or RAV4-ish in nature.

I have always loved the Forester and am really looking forward to the redesign. Hope it stays somewhat true to it's roots.

[jadeboy]

The list as noted in another post lists the Nissan Altima 2008 4 dr sedan as not admissable. I called Transport Canada this am and enquired why. They said that the manufacturer advises them as to admissibility or non-admissibility.

Whats to stop Toyota, Lexus and Honda from just saying that their vehicles are not admissible thereby ending any chance of import.

RIV person told me that once vehicle non admissible then you cannot bring it in even if you modify it to conform. This cannot be correct is it?

Yup, your are **** Out of Luck. We are at the mercy of the manufacturers, providing the information to Transport Canada is "voluntary". These manufacturers are not require to provide ANYTHING if they do not want to.

[andlai]

Inadmissible Foresters:

2007 September 2007 and newer Forester 2.5X, Forester Sports 2.5X, Forester 2.5X with premium package, Forester 2.5X L.L. Bean

So basically you only have 2.5XT left.

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/VAFUS.pdf


How about a 2008 Forester manufactured before Sep 01 2007?

According to the above link:
9. Every Passenger vehicle, multipurpose passenger vehicle, truck and 3 wheeled vehicle manufactured after September 1, 2007 and with a Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) less than 4,536 kg (10,000 lbs), except an emergency vehicle or a walk-in van, must
be equipped with an immobilization system that meets CMVSS 114.
While many vehicles manufactured for the United States market offer the electronic immobilization system as an option, there are some
makes and models where this system is not available from the manufacturer. In many cases, an after market system that meets the
intent of CMVSS114 can be installed by a third party. However you should check with the manufacturer to see if the installation of such
an after market system compromises the vehicle warranty. Importers should check with the manufacturer to determine whether a
vehicle is equipped or can be equipped with an electronic immobilization system that meets the intent of CMVSS 114, before
purchasing and importing a vehicle.
Electronic immobilizers require a special key or small electronic device to start a vehicle's engine. Usually you attach this to your key
ring.
This type of system, when activated, totally immobilizes engine systems in response to any attempt to start the vehicle without using an
authorized key, by shutting off one or more parts of the engine's electrical system. This might include the starter, ignition or fuel
system.
As part of the RIV inspection, the importer will be required to supply documentation to prove that the vehicle came equipped with a
factory installed system that complies with CMVSS 114 or that a recognized aftermarket system that meets the intent of CMVSS 114,
has been installed.

[diigii]

The list as noted in another post lists the Nissan Altima 2008 4 dr sedan as not admissable. I called Transport Canada this am and enquired why. They said that the manufacturer advises them as to admissibility or non-admissibility.

Whats to stop Toyota, Lexus and Honda from just saying that their vehicles are not admissible thereby ending any chance of import.

RIV person told me that once vehicle non admissible then you cannot bring it in even if you modify it to conform. This cannot be correct is it?

So if the 2008 Nissan model is inadmissible, then Nissan Canada is selling illegal vehicles in Canada. I think there is deliberate intention to delay the admissibility info. Is there such violation Nissan Canada can be charged?

[asalvari]

Most modern engines have built in controls to ****** the timing to take into account low octane gas. If it didn't you would get "dieseling" and after a preiod of time detonation which would damage you engine. In effect, if you run 87 octane in a car setup to run 91+, you car will detune itself to run on the cheap gas (cool feature).

I think most manufactures set up their cars ultra conservative to account for the cheap gas, which leads to a whole industry devoted to "rechip" cars to take advantage of the fact that some guys will only run 94+ octane in their cars.


Hello, this is bothering me for long time ..

The way I understand octane number is that essentially tells you what compression the gas in engine would withstand without getting self-ignited. Hence, the higher number octanes can be compressed more and produce better conversion (more energy).

However, I can see the ECU changing the ignition timing, valves and so on.. but HOW it can change the pressure its really mystery for me.. and I agree that my understanding could be completely wrong (so please correct me)

Can a knowledgeable person shed some light on this?

[michelb]

So if the 2008 Nissan model is inadmissible, then Nissan Canada is selling illegal vehicles in Canada. I think there is deliberate intention to delay the admissibility info. Is there such violation Nissan Canada can be charged?

Unfortunately, as much as I like conspiracy theories, without more information, there's no way that we can say that Nissan Canada is selling the same cars as Nissan USA.

There could be significant differences that are made at the factory for cars for the Canadian vs US market (think of the early 90s when a bunch of US cars had 'automatic' shoulder belts that were not legal in Canada (I don't think those could be converted for import into Canada) or Mazda Miatas which in the US have different bumpers (which need to be replaced with Canadian bumpers on import). Same thing can be said about 2008 Foresters; Subaru Canada sells them but you can't import the Subaru USA ones - why is that? Who knows? Many are saying it's because of the immobilizers but I would think you could just add those aftermarket (like DRLs) so I suspect there's some other difference as well. Could simply be crash testing - the inadmissible cars might have some difference in the Canada / US versions that makes them fail the crash tests in Canada ... making the modifications in an attempt to bring them to Canadian standards would probably require passing the crash tests which is not feasible.

[Lost Horizon]

Do we have another LAW in play folks ?

Forget the courts. The natural law that comes into effect instantly is the Law of the Wallet... yours..

You have the power when you speak en masse ... so only if your friends fold do you need to stand alone and take them on in their own turf.. Lawyerville, where they own the Senators and the laws anyway.. why go there to fatten up the pin striped gucchi shoed rosewood private elevator crowd where they still smoke cuban cigars, sip port, munch on stilton and laugh about the sheep to be shorn?

..but as you can see, I digress.. ;)

[cavuu]

Hello, this is bothering me for long time ..

The way I understand octane number is that essentially tells you what compression the gas in engine would withstand without getting self-ignited. Hence, the higher number octanes can be compressed more and produce better conversion (more energy).

However, I can see the ECU changing the ignition timing, valves and so on.. but HOW it can change the pressure its really mystery for me.. and I agree that my understanding could be completely wrong (so please correct me)

Can a knowledgeable person shed some light on this?
In the days before computers you would ****** the timing so the ignition burning would occur when the piston was on the way down. The fuel air would be fully compressed when the piston is at 'top dead centre', but if full ignition occurs later the compression is less so you can get by with a lower octane fuel. (Ignition actually 'begins' before TDC)
In the old days we would advance the timing until it pinged (result of fuel exploding rather than burning, bad news!) under hard acceleration and back off just a bit.
Today the computer senses ping and will make the necessary adjustments which result in less fuel/air being compressed and the time when it burns.
The engine will run hotter and less efficient.

[Bullseye]

What if your temporary insurance runs out (ie.. 14 days) and RIV still has not sent you the Form 2? How can you legally drive from the location of your car to Canadian Tire?

Can't see it taking two weeks, she said up to a week. I may just go to the RIV office in person. At any rate, Cdn Tire is at the end of my street, I'd probably chance the short drive if it came to it.

[Bullseye]

Details please :) Rumours say it'll be more CRV or RAV4-ish in nature.

I have always loved the Forester and am really looking forward to the redesign. Hope it stays somewhat true to it's roots.

Definitely more like those vehicles. They apparently responded to the criticism that it looked too wagon-like currently.

I actually saw a direct comparison sheet showing it against CRV and RAV4, so that's definitely their target competition for it. It'll be the same or bigger in and out by every measurement against those two.

That's pretty much all I know, including what I already wrote above.

[bionicbadger]

What if your temporary insurance runs out (ie.. 14 days) and RIV still has not sent you the Form 2? How can you legally drive from the location of your car to Canadian Tire?

if you phoned them once, phone again in a few days and ask them to Fax/email you a copy of the form 2

[Bullseye]

Forgot to add...Ministry of Ontario WILL give you a 10 day permit with just the original MCO/Title and proof of insurance. I have one in my hands right now, figured I'd play it safe instead of chancing it with the NY state permit.

Question about Form 1, though...Ministry staff said I need the bottom of that stamped by RIV for them to do plating. How does that happen? I have the original Form 1, and I though RIV was just going to be sending me a Form 2? Confused on this one.

[ian46]

Forget the courts. The natural law that comes into effect instantly is the Law of the Wallet... yours..



In the short term you are 100% correct !

I am concerned however with all the "legal stuff"
happening behind closed doors.

eg: Does RIV "inadmissibility" last forever on the
2008 Altima ? If so this could be the way to
lock Cdns out of the US car market !!

Hopefully the US Jury in the Class action lawsuit
in the US will "see thru" all this "stuff" and
provide JUSTICE for both Americans and Cdns !

We once again will be grateful to our American
Friends , but not their corporations ...

I think we all better buy our US Subarus while
we still can !

As always, my personal opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of any group,
company, etc. You should do your own research first before coming
to your own opinions and conclusions.

[djs5916]

Dietrich,

Although I sympathize a little, I feel the correct response from a businessperson's perspective in this case is not to hold their customers for "ransom" but if the manufacturers are responsible for the pricing inequity, then you (as a group) can legitimately sue the manufacturer under Chapter 11 of NAFTA, AFAIK.

So stop holding Canadian consumers responsible for buying legally in the US and get off your backside and direct any issue to those responsible for the inequity. The manufacturers appear to want it both ways and Canadian Dealers should be putting pressure on them. Chapter 11 applies to us all, not just oil and gas companies.

I'm sure we'll all wish you the best of luck too!

Regards
Dirk

Says don't blame the dealers blame the manufacturers. Got a point but money is money.
Daryl.

http://news.therecord.com/Opinions/article/260265

Critique of auto prices inaccurate, misleading

October 24, 2007
Dietrich Look

It was with great concern that I read the Oct. 18 article about Phil Edmonston's ill-conceived advice to Canadians not to buy cars in Canada.

Sure this is a hot issue right now, and Edmonston commenting in his usual biased way is no surprise . After all, he was appearing in the public library and is selling a book.

His reasoning, however, is flawed and very misleading. His assertion, "But there's no way I'm going to give a gift of $10,000 to my dealer simply because he wants to make a huge profit," is inflammatory and far removed from the Canadian dealers' reality. The cost prices of vehicles here are set by the respective manufacturers, and are proportionately higher than those in the U.S. It is not the case that the Canadian dealer is making a huge profit.

As a matter of fact, many Canadian dealers right now are cutting their already slim margins to retain reluctant buyers in order to keep moving costly inventory. The parity of the Canadian dollar versus the U.S. greenback has given reason to many consumers questioning the disparity of Canadian pricing on many goods versus the U.S. pricing, not just cars. I'm sure that the market as usual will dictate a solution in the end. I only hope that manufacturers -- including car manufacturers -- act soon to relieve this unfortunate situation.

The appeal by federal Finance Minister Jim Flaherty to Canadian retailers to lower prices was equally misplaced and aimed at the wrong target. Manufacturers and suppliers are the ones that must be urged to act. Flaherty's remarks would have been more helpful and responsible had they been more accurate and informed.

Dietrich Look

Dealer, Volkswagen Waterloo

Waterloo

[bwhizz]

So I guess Karl is some kind of celebrity up north! Is he the same Karl from Karloncars.com?

I am looking at the legacy now.... I say we contact a dealer on the border and tell him that if he can beat Karl's rates we will buy 5 cars from him...

Hard to say no I bet....

Has anyone heard of the guy in Oakville who will do all the importing and border and inspection crap? He just takes a commission... and you pick the import up from Oakville..... Might be a good idea to save some hassles


PS.. anyone know how good Karl is in terms of trade ins?
Whizz

[diigii]

Unfortunately, as much as I like conspiracy theories, without more information, there's no way that we can say that Nissan Canada is selling the same cars as Nissan USA.

There could be significant differences that are made at the factory for cars for the Canadian vs US market (think of the early 90s when a bunch of US cars had 'automatic' shoulder belts that were not legal in Canada (I don't think those could be converted for import into Canada) or Mazda Miatas which in the US have different bumpers (which need to be replaced with Canadian bumpers on import). Same thing can be said about 2008 Foresters; Subaru Canada sells them but you can't import the Subaru USA ones - why is that? Who knows? Many are saying it's because of the immobilizers but I would think you could just add those aftermarket (like DRLs) so I suspect there's some other difference as well. Could simply be crash testing - the inadmissible cars might have some difference in the Canada / US versions that makes them fail the crash tests in Canada ... making the modifications in an attempt to bring them to Canadian standards would probably require passing the crash tests which is not feasible.

I agree with you on the differences in US-spec vs Canadian-spec cars i.e motorized seatbelts, bumpers, etc. That is the whole point of admissibility submission to RIV of the modifications needed to convert a non-complying US-spec cars to Canadian specs. What we are debating on here is why does it take so long for the 2008 specs to be submitted to RIV?

If Nissan Canada has imported the 2008 Altima 4-dr sedan here in Canada, what modifications did they do to meet Transport Canada's requirements?? They have it already.

[diigii]

Form 2 is just a list of the modifications your car has to meet in order to pass the federal inspections. The bottom half of Form 1 will be stamped by the CT inspector (authorized by RIV since you paid them $206.70) that it passed the federal inspections. CT inspector will keep original Form 2 which they will send to RIV, then you will be given a photocopy to show the Ministry and for your records. Ministry of Transportation will verify your Form 1 CT/RIV stamp when you register the car.

If you have been reading this forum for the past two weeks, you are aware of the hassles you might experience from MTO staff when they insist on having a safety certificate and emissions test. So go in there armed with Ministry info that a current and future model year vehicle does not need any of those.

Forgot to add...Ministry of Ontario WILL give you a 10 day permit with just the original MCO/Title and proof of insurance. I have one in my hands right now, figured I'd play it safe instead of chancing it with the NY state permit.

Question about Form 1, though...Ministry staff said I need the bottom of that stamped by RIV for them to do plating. How does that happen? I have the original Form 1, and I though RIV was just going to be sending me a Form 2? Confused on this one.

[shopper-X]

If Nissan Canada has imported the 2008 Altima 40-dr sedan here in Canada, what modifications did they do to meet Transport Canada's requirements?? They have it already.

Dude...I know we think the same most of the time, but you lost me with the 40-dr Altima. Is this a new model for US only?:D

[ggweci]

Definitely more like those vehicles. They apparently responded to the criticism that it looked too wagon-like currently.

I actually saw a direct comparison sheet showing it against CRV and RAV4, so that's definitely their target competition for it. It'll be the same or bigger in and out by every measurement against those two.

That's pretty much all I know, including what I already wrote above.

Interesting, and along the same rumours I've heard. Hopefully the pricing falls inline (or better, lower) with those competitors.

[Bullseye]

The bottom half of Form 1 will be stamped by the CT inspector that it passed the federal inspections. CT inspector will keep original Form 2, give you a photocopy for your records. Ministry of Transportation will verify your Form 1 CT/RIV stamp when you register the car.

If you have been reading this forum for the past two weeks, you are aware of the hassles you might experience from MTO staff when they insist on having a safety certificate and emissions test. So go in there armed with Ministry info that a current and future model year vehicle does not need any of those.

Thanks for the great info, that clears up my confusion. I'll have to add that extra detail to Car Burner.

I actually asked when I was there, the lady said she thought no safety or e-test was needed, but she double checked with her manager, and confirmed that as true. This is the Oakville Cross St location, if anyone is wondering. I think this office is on the ball with this stuff because Multiline and Fournier are both in the area and doing US imports.

[diigii]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! No wonder it was NOT admissible. Sorry for that typo.

Dude...I know we think the same most of the time, but you lost me with the 40-dr Altima. Is this a new model for US only?:D

[kidda]

Going to buy Acura TL 2005 this weekend, from where do i got the recall letter. Thanks

[michelb]

I agree with you on the differences in US-spec vs Canadian-spec cars i.e motorized seatbelts, bumpers, etc. That is the whole point of admissibility submission to RIV of the modifications needed to convert a non-complying US-spec cars to Canadian specs. What we are debating on here is why does it take so long for the 2008 specs to be submitted to RIV?

If Nissan Canada has imported the 2008 Altima 40-dr sedan here in Canada, what modifications did they do to meet Transport Canada's requirements?? They have it already.

There are 2 issues here:

1) time of reporting to RIV: I completely agree with you that it's bogus that some manufacturers haven't yet provided the information even though they are selling the car in Canada. They should know the differences / requirements well before they even get / sell their cars so should be able to provide the list much faster.

2) actual repairs required: Taking the Altima 4dr as example, it's possible (just hypothesizing) that there's a fundamental difference at the factory between the CND and US version and you can't just swap parts. I.e. US Altima has a different bumper and it mounts to the frame differently than the Canadian one so in effect the frame from the CND and US version are not identical. To retrofit the Canadian bumper on the US frame would probably require re-doing crash testing because the frames are not identical. Hence there's no actual change that Nissan can warrant will make the car conform to Canadian standards (since they haven't tested Canadian bumpers on US frame) (i.e. US Altima with Canadian bumpers is not identical to Canadian Altima). The Mazda Miata also had different bumpers but it's possible that in it's case, the frame / mounting location are identical so Mazda can warrant that the car will conform to Canadian standards (i.e. US Miata with Canadian bumpers is identical to Canadian Miata). Basically my point is that depending on the difference, it's probably not unrealistic that the manufacturer cannot justifiably tell what changes are required and hence have to make the car 'inadmissable'.

[diigii]

I parked my 2007 car next to a 2008 model when I was at the dealer last month. I'm sure it was a 2008 since it had the window specs attached. There are no physical differences in the bumper in the 2007 and 2008 models.

There are 2 issues here:

1) time of reporting to RIV: I completely agree with you that it's bogus that some manufacturers haven't yet provided the information even though they are selling the car in Canada. They should know the differences / requirements well before they even get / sell their cars so should be able to provide the list much faster.

2) actual repairs required: Taking the Altima 4dr as example, it's possible (just hypothesizing) that there's a fundamental difference at the factory between the CND and US version and you can't just swap parts. I.e. US Altima has a different bumper and it mounts to the frame differently than the Canadian one so in effect the frame from the CND and US version are not identical. To retrofit the Canadian bumper on the US frame would probably require re-doing crash testing because the frames are not identical. Hence there's no actual change that Nissan can warrant will make the car conform to Canadian standards (since they haven't tested Canadian bumpers on US frame) (i.e. US Altima with Canadian bumpers is not identical to Canadian Altima). The Mazda Miata also had different bumpers but it's possible that in it's case, the frame / mounting location are identical so Mazda can warrant that the car will conform to Canadian standards (i.e. US Miata with Canadian bumpers is identical to Canadian Miata). Basically my point is that depending on the difference, it's probably not unrealistic that the manufacturer cannot justifiably tell what changes are required and hence have to make the car 'inadmissable'.

[tor_forsale]

with all the inputs here , i am now thinking to get the Toyota Sienna 06/07 from US auction , ( 20K miles , can be found < 17000 USD ) ,

my question is:

how to drive car from US , let say from detroit to toronto,
what about the license plate / permit which allow to do so.

i guess insurance is not a probelm , only this how to take it to the border and then home ??

thanks

[ian46]

I parked my 2007 car next to a 2008 model when I was at the dealer last month. I'm sure it was a 2008 since it had the window specs attached. There are no physical differences in the bumper in the 2007 and 2008 models.

A bumper Mod would not be visible. Take the case
of some Corvettes that make it on the RIV list with a **
beside it - I remember someone else on this forum saidthat the Vette needed metal braces installed under
the plastic bumper, like DRLs on other cars, etc.

We need to distinguish between "admissible" with
mods needed versus "not admissible" which could be
the Vette case simply without the bumper braces
available as a "Kit" for install .... I'm just guessing
here but maybe the factory can decide to not make
a retrofit kit available & lock us Cdns out of the
car importing business forever !

Or perhaps this all has a perfectly reasonable
explanation that has nothing to do with Cdns
importing cars and saving 20 to 30 % in price ...

As always, my personal opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of any group,
company, etc. You should do your own research first before coming
to your own opinions and conclusions.

[ziploc]

Says don't blame the dealers blame the manufacturers. Got a point but money is money.
Daryl.

http://news.therecord.com/Opinions/article/260265

Critique of auto prices inaccurate, misleading

October 24, 2007
Dietrich Look

It was with great concern that I read the Oct. 18 article about Phil Edmonston's ill-conceived advice to Canadians not to buy cars in Canada.

Sure this is a hot issue right now, and Edmonston commenting in his usual biased way is no surprise . After all, he was appearing in the public library and is selling a book.

His reasoning, however, is flawed and very misleading. His assertion, "But there's no way I'm going to give a gift of $10,000 to my dealer simply because he wants to make a huge profit," is inflammatory and far removed from the Canadian dealers' reality. The cost prices of vehicles here are set by the respective manufacturers, and are proportionately higher than those in the U.S. It is not the case that the Canadian dealer is making a huge profit.

As a matter of fact, many Canadian dealers right now are cutting their already slim margins to retain reluctant buyers in order to keep moving costly inventory. The parity of the Canadian dollar versus the U.S. greenback has given reason to many consumers questioning the disparity of Canadian pricing on many goods versus the U.S. pricing, not just cars. I'm sure that the market as usual will dictate a solution in the end. I only hope that manufacturers -- including car manufacturers -- act soon to relieve this unfortunate situation.

The appeal by federal Finance Minister Jim Flaherty to Canadian retailers to lower prices was equally misplaced and aimed at the wrong target. Manufacturers and suppliers are the ones that must be urged to act. Flaherty's remarks would have been more helpful and responsible had they been more accurate and informed.

Dietrich Look

Dealer, Volkswagen Waterloo

Waterloo

If You want to show some credibility...post some real numbers...

[yyz2hkg]

Going to buy Acura TL 2005 this weekend, from where do i got the recall letter. Thanks

Try calling Honda USA. From other forums I read, you may run into some roadblocks though as in Honda/Acura not willing to provide you with a Recall Clearance Letter.

LINKY (http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-49488.html)

[scope11]

Anyone have any info on how tight they are with the 72 hours at US boarder? Dealer dropped my paperwork off there this morning (Wed 10am-ish) and I really want my car before the weekend....

[TheZodiac]

Chrysler to Canadian Consumers: Go Pound Sand

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=5966

By Robert Farago
October 24, 2007

After Chrysler's executive [I have a] dream team addressed the issue of Canadian pricing in Sin City, they may soon wish that what they said in Vegas stayed in Vegas. Speaking to WardsAuto, Ex-Toyota Prez Jim Press said Chrysler had inflated their sticker prices north of the border to account for the historic 10 to 40 percent gap between the dollar and the loonie. And now that the currencies are at parity? “Currency is a long-term move," a pressed Press confessed. "It goes one place to another, and when cycles come up, you take (that) into account. What you have to do is price at where the market is, and that’s what we’ll continue to do.” As for Canadian customers who dare cross the border to buy a Chrysler product, the automaker admits it's trying to cut them off at the pass. Steve Landry, executive director-North American sales, told Wards that he's sent memos to U.S. dealers warning them against selling vehicles to Canada on the gray market Needless to say, Landry claims it's for the customer's own good, considering Canadian auto regs. “It’s not just homologation of an odometer. You have to also change the daytime running lights, which is a pain… Our dealers are more into selling vehicles where they can take care of the entire lifecycle of that customer in that vehicle." Convinced?

Cliff Notes:

Daytime Running Lights and a different (metric)odometer justify Chrysler to charge up to 40 percent more for their junk to Canucks LOLL

[zzricezz]

Anyone was able to use the CITI Bank driver edge rebate with buying a US import car?

[ChemicalBoy]

Anyone have any info on how tight they are with the 72 hours at US boarder? Dealer dropped my paperwork off there this morning (Wed 10am-ish) and I really want my car before the weekend....

Well it all depends, I remember when I was there someone was told by US customs their paper work hasn't arrive and was told to "park the car in US and wait till it arrives, there is a motel down there, and if you want there is a storage place also" they said.

Best bet for you is to call them before you head down to see if its okay.

[shopper-X]

Chrysler to Canadian Consumers: Go Pound Sand

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=5966

By Robert Farago
October 24, 2007

After Chrysler's executive [I have a] dream team addressed the issue of Canadian pricing in Sin City, they may soon wish that what they said in Vegas stayed in Vegas. Speaking to WardsAuto, Ex-Toyota Prez Jim Press said Chrysler had inflated their sticker prices north of the border to account for the historic 10 to 40 percent gap between the dollar and the loonie. And now that the currencies are at parity? “Currency is a long-term move," a pressed Press confessed. "It goes one place to another, and when cycles come up, you take (that) into account. What you have to do is price at where the market is, and that’s what we’ll continue to do.” As for Canadian customers who dare cross the border to buy a Chrysler product, the automaker admits it's trying to cut them off at the pass. Steve Landry, executive director-North American sales, told Wards that he's sent memos to U.S. dealers warning them against selling vehicles to Canada on the gray market Needless to say, Landry claims it's for the customer's own good, considering Canadian auto regs. “It’s not just homologation of an odometer. You have to also change the daytime running lights, which is a pain… Our dealers are more into selling vehicles where they can take care of the entire lifecycle of that customer in that vehicle." Convinced?

Cliff Notes:

Daytime Running Lights and a different (metric)odometer justify Chrysler to charge up to 40 percent more for the junk to Canucks LOLL

Someone on the forum (Kelowna_BC?) bought a Dodge and paid the dealer around $100 (?) to reprogram the ECU for the DRL's. Quick someone hit the Stooples EASY button.
I was just quoted $200 to change the Speedo from the company posted a few pages back.
So far the total is $300...not $10,000!

[inspire]

my question is:

how to drive car from US , let say from detroit to toronto, what about the license plate / permit which allow to do so.
You have to be extremely careful getting from the auction site to the border. I would advise you get it towed to the border and then drive it from the border to the MOT in Windsor, so you can have temp plates while driving on the 401.

You will have to wait at least 72 hours before driving it over since US Customs may not let you cross with it. During that time, it would be best to contact your insurance agent in Toronto with the VIN so it will be insured when you drive it home.

That's how I'd do it. However ... I live in Windsor so getting it home is a lot easier for me than you. An alternative is to find a tow company that will flatbed it from Windsor to Toronto ...

Anyone have any info on how tight they are with the 72 hours at US boarder? Dealer dropped my paperwork off there this morning (Wed 10am-ish) and I really want my car before the weekend....
It's hit and miss ... some places are sticklers ... other places don't really care that much. I would advise waiting to make sure ... because once you're inside US Customs buildings with the car ... it's really hard to get it out (unless it's going to Canada ...)

[goneFishing]

If anyone has any info on importing a BMW x5 3.0 2007/2008 from the United States , please pm me with information regarding taxes, warranty, modifications, and dealers.

Thanks in advance

[tor_forsale]

thanks,

looks like that the other options,

i called to Michigan dept of st (888) 767-6424 , i told them that i am canadian and bought the car from dealer here in michigan , what docs i need to get temp lic plate and how much i have to pay ? , they said ,i should have title, insurance (candian is fine) , and identification ( candian driver id) and 10$ for temp lic plate which is valid for 14 days.

and then after in canada i can try to get canadian temp plates,

You have to be extremely careful getting from the auction site to the border. I would advise you get it towed to the border and then drive it from the border to the MOT in Windsor, so you can have temp plates while driving on the 401.

You will have to wait at least 72 hours before driving it over since US Customs may not let you cross with it. During that time, it would be best to contact your insurance agent in Toronto with the VIN so it will be insured when you drive it home.

That's how I'd do it. However ... I live in Windsor so getting it home is a lot easier for me than you. An alternative is to find a tow company that will flatbed it from Windsor to Toronto ...


It's hit and miss ... some places are sticklers ... other places don't really care that much. I would advise waiting to make sure ... because once you're inside US Customs buildings with the car ... it's really hard to get it out (unless it's going to Canada ...)

[HighFlyer]

Anyone was able to use the CITI Bank driver edge rebate with buying a US import car?

I was told no. It clearly states that it applies to vehicles purchased in Canada.

[zzricezz]

I was told no. It clearly states that it applies to vehicles purchased in Canada.

Ahh that suck.. I got like 2 more years to go before I need to use it up.. Hopefully prices would be fix here in Canada.

[Dreyfus]

(I brought a Toyota in lat summer)

As someone in a trading business that has been struggling to manage FX exposure, I do have some sympathies for retailers. Remember:

a) The $CAD is only that much stronger relative to the $USD. Relative to other currencies the gain is not that strong, therefore it is really a case of US prices being to low not ours to high.

b) The move has been so fast that even sophisticated operations have been blindsided. It is hard to know what costs have been fixed and what are floating and what has been fixed long term and what has not. FX hedging programs may have been in place but failed to react to the move as anticiapted.

c) The auto market is unique because of all the leases out there (~50% of the last 3 years sales). If Prices were slashed 30+% it would be equivalent to 1 year of sales' worth of residual lease values 'disappearing' from the industry's books (Banks and Finance Arms of car companies).

d) Even if a large percentage is shopping abroad, cutting prices locally only helps the local dealerships. In the big picture, car companies will make more if 25% pay 30% less than if 100% pay 30% less.

e) In the end effective prices are set by your competitor, not by you. Local operations just need to realize that when the savings make the hassle more than worth it, US outlets become your competitor.


This hits the nail precisely on its head. The auto mfrs are very much exposed to risks in "Residual Value" through their finance arms. It is a huge market which is becoming riskier every day. If Jim Flaherty had a splink of sense he would have the parties directly involved (Banks, Mfrs, Dealers) appear before a Commons Commitee in order to assess the risks to the Canadian Banking/financial system before it explodes on to the front pages and becomes a crisis on the magnitude of "subprime", CDO etc. . Where is David Dodge now that he is needed.

In the meantime keep on comparison shopping in both countries. The industry will capitulate eventually, unless the "new Govt." comes charging to the rescue with artificial barriers to cross border auto shopping.

[alex_sauvage126]

Does anybody knows the difference in paperwork buying used car in USA from a private party vs. Dealer? I assume that dealer will supply all necessary paperwork (at least Canada friendly dealers). But what do I need to get from private seller?

[Lost Horizon]

Anyone have any info on how tight they are with the 72 hours at US boarder? Dealer dropped my paperwork off there this morning (Wed 10am-ish) and I really want my car before the weekend....

Not sure if they waiver on that... may depend on the crossing, but at the Truck Crossing in BC, the guy ahead of me was less than 72 hrs on his Corvette, and they told him to go park it.. elsewhere.. they didn't have the paper work yet..

[dotcalamitie]

I did a calculation of monthly payments on a 2008 BMW 645 cabriolet with $6,000 down and 36 month lease...

$1,174 a month in the US
$1,680 a month in Canada

BTW, I am driving my 2008 Subaru Tribeca almost all the time now and my 645 cab is sitting in the garage. I really like it!

[Monsieurmaggot]

It's funny and, at the same time, insulting that a person conceived that ad with that thought. As if you're not paying GST, PST and 6.2% duty (Monsieurmaggot, is it really 6.2% because if it is, it just shows the Canadian dealer will gouge you a further 1% on top of the $15K+ on the care) here when you buy a car.

I've heard this guy (I presumed he's a local car salesman) say to these people at a friend's daughter's birthday party that if you buy a US-spec car, that the fuel gauge will NOT be accurate because it's in gallons, not liters! I laughed so hard from the other end of the backyard when told of it. I can't believe there are people like that who are licensed to sell a car when they don't know what they're talking about! Sometime, you could just commit a sin by asking yourself why dumb people are allowed to live. :evil:

Yup. He said "duty is 6.2%".

That's what really prompted me to comment. These people don't even do their research. I suppose if I buy a Volvo from him, he'd be willing to eat the taxes if I pay MSRP. Then we would need to charge me the factory "paint adhesion protection" and "lifetime winshield washer replacement".

[smpmush]

A bumper Mod would not be visible. Take the case
of some Corvettes that make it on the RIV list with a **
beside it - I remember someone else on this forum said
that the Vette needed metal braces installed under
the plastic bumper, like DRLs on other cars, etc.

We need to distinguish between "admissible" with
mods needed versus "not admissible" with could be
the Vette case simply without the bumper braces
available as a "Kit" for install .... I'm just guessing
here but maybe the factory can decide to not make
a retrofit kit available & lock us Cdns out of the
car importing business forever !

Or perhaps this all has a perfectly reasonable
explanation that has nothing to do with Cdns
importing cars and saving 20 to 30 % in price ...

I've read that the retro kit is around 500$ installed in the US and over $1000 here .. If your buying a vette get it converted in the US .. ;)

[Shaun091382]

Hello all..I finally was able to submit 3 faxes to lewiston of my CoT. So now to wait 72 hrs. I was just wondering is it a must to arrive after 72 (business) hrs? or do they keep it on file? 72 (business) hrs from now would put me at about 2pm Monday Oct 29th, but I dont think I'll be able to cross until Monday Nov 5th, just wondering if that poses a problem. Also when is a good time to call and ask for verification that my fax has arrived successfully and everything was legible etc etc?

Sadly I'm still waiting on my seller to obtain his lien release letter and the recall clearance letter...both are taking ridiculously long ...i'm in to the 4th week waiting for both.

Thanks for your help!

[gia]

We stopped in to a GM dealer in Messina NY last Friday and he said they (dealership) were told by GM to NOT sell to Canadians. I just don't get it, a sale is a sale, they had a loaded, except for navigation system, ACADIA for 40000.+change. Up here 55,000, that's a lot of loose change. The salesman commented on the fact that the salesmen up here must be getting good commissions.

[dotcalamitie]

These barriers to trade for importing US cars are the most absurd thing I've ever heard of. Can someone in our goverment please explain to me why it's absolutely no problem for a US citizen to drive into Canada with their own vehicle that a Canadian can't purchase in the USA and bring back without proof of recalls, failure to meet our standards (DRL and bumpers)...etc. Why is a US citizen allowed to drive their apparently (apparently says our government because we can't drive those cars ourselves) unroadworthy vehicles here? Why is there a double standard that allows US citizens to put all us Canadians at risk on our roads? Obviously, this danger needs to be met by our border guards refusing the entry of American owned vehicles that we Canadians are prohibited from bringing into Canada. Why the double standard? Why are we Canadians subjected to discrimination in our own country for being Canadian? Anyone?

[dotcalamitie]

For some people it might be hard to understand what is going on. Imagine living next door to the SeaDoo factory...you can afford to spend $12,000 US on the all new exciting Seadoo RXPX, but you can't afford to spend $16,000 CDN. So next summer, the poor Canadian kid that can't afford to buy the machine of his dreams, sits on the beach and watches Americans come in driving their RXPXs having the time of their life. A machine that his friends made. It's tough being a Canadian and being treated as a second class citizen in your own country. We are not free in Canada to spend our money where we want to spend it. BRP is but one example of the dictatorship corporations have condemned Canadians to. BTW, I'm a capitalist pig...right wing. Even so, this is an example of where government is needed to put laws in place to prevent the mafia tactics that Canadian corporations are exhibiting whether they are Canadian owned or foreign owned corporations, their mafia behaviour is identical. For capitalism to work properly, barriers to trade need to be removed.

[Lost Horizon]

For some people it might be hard to understand what is going on. Imagine living next door to the SeaDoo factory...you can afford to spend $12,000 US on the all new exciting Seadoo RXPX, but you can't afford to spend $16,000 CDN. So next summer, the poor Canadian kid that can't afford to buy the machine of his dreams, sits on the beach and watches Americans come in driving their RXPXs having the time of their life. A machine that his friends made. It's tough being a Canadian and being treated as a second class citizen in your own country. We are not free in Canada to spend our money where we want to spend it. BRP is but one example of the dictatorship corporations have condemned Canadians to. BTW, I'm a capitalist pig...right wing. Even so, this is an example of where government is needed to put laws in place to prevent the mafia tactics that Canadian corporations are exhibiting whether they are Canadian owned or foreign owned corporations, their mafia behaviour is identical. For capitalism to work properly, barriers to trade need to be removed.

Pay attention to this, lurking Senators on the Corporate Boards...... you lose your capitalists, and you are really in trouble.. :mad:

[blazerzr2]

I just wondered if anyone has successfully imported a new Ford into Canada and what dealership they used? I've left a message for Karl at Van Bortel Subaru to see if he has any connections with Van Bortel Ford.

If any of you have had a good experience with importing a Ford, please post here of your experience, savings and with whom you dealt with.

Any help you can give would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks again.

[elviswhite]

If anyone has any info on importing a BMW x5 3.0 2007/2008 from the United States , please pm me with information regarding taxes, warranty, modifications, and dealers.

Thanks in advance

No duty (made in USA), you just have to pay the other two abominations. The warranty is valid but free maintainance isn't. I don't think there are any mods except turning on DRLs.

[ian46]

Pay attention to this, lurking Senators on the Corporate Boards...... you lose your capitalists, and you are really in trouble.. :mad:

Agreed !

The current "Free Market" we have now appears to be only a ONE-WAY
Street !

Companies seem FREE to set their prices (OK )

But

Canadians Can't seem to choose their MARKET ! (Not OK)

As always, my personal opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of any group,
company, etc. You should do your own research first before coming
to your own opinions and conclusions.

[regrus]

I'm surprised that Canadian U-Drive companies are still buying there new vehicles in Canada. They purchase a lot of new vehicles and should be able to pressure the Canadian manufactures for better pricing.

Something that has not been brought up on this forum yet is how about someone trying to use a car buying service operated by some of the USA based U-Drive companies.

For example on the USA website of Enterprise Rent A Car they advertise that they have a division that will locate and buy a new car for you (for a small cut). I think they call it Enterprise Vehicle Acquisition Services.

[ian46]

By the way, for those of you not
familiar with the Cdn Competition ACT,
here is a DIRECT quote:

OFFENCES IN RELATION TO COMPETITION

Conspiracy
45. (1) Every one who conspires, combines, agrees or arranges with another person

(a) to limit unduly the facilities for transporting, producing, manufacturing, supplying,
storing or dealing in any product,

(b) to prevent, limit or lessen, unduly, the manufacture or production of a product
or to enhance unreasonably the price thereof,

(c) to prevent or lessen, unduly, competition in the production, manufacture, purchase,
barter, sale, storage, rental, transportation or supply of a product, or in the price
of insurance on persons or property, or

(d) to otherwise restrain or injure competition unduly,

is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding
five years or to a fine not exceeding ten million dollars or to both.

Am I crazy, but NOT BEING ABLE to buy the product
in the USA should fall within the meaning of "unduly" and
the price difference in cars of 20 to 30% is certainly
"unreasonable" as ALL Canadians can attest !

( Note that the USA has a similar law on their books,
called the Sherman Act, which is the main subject of
the original Class Action Lawsuit - A few years ago
the "shoe was on the other foot" with the exchange rate.)

As always, my personal opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of any group,
company, etc. You should do your own research first before coming
to your own opinions and conclusions.

[Yorker86]

For some people it might be hard to understand what is going on. Imagine living next door to the SeaDoo factory...you can afford to spend $12,000 US on the all new exciting Seadoo RXPX, but you can't afford to spend $16,000 CDN. So next summer, the poor Canadian kid that can't afford to buy the machine of his dreams, sits on the beach and watches Americans come in driving their RXPXs having the time of their life. A machine that his friends made. It's tough being a Canadian and being treated as a second class citizen in your own country. We are not free in Canada to spend our money where we want to spend it. BRP is but one example of the dictatorship corporations have condemned Canadians to. BTW, I'm a capitalist pig...right wing. Even so, this is an example of where government is needed to put laws in place to prevent the mafia tactics that Canadian corporations are exhibiting whether they are Canadian owned or foreign owned corporations, their mafia behaviour is identical. For capitalism to work properly, barriers to trade need to be removed.

You are absolutely right. I know my folks have been in the market for a new vehicle for some time now but the prices here in Canada are just too high. They cant afford to spend $650-$700 dollars per month on a new Camry when you factor in the insurance and taxes. Leasing is not far off either I mean the prices are rediculous and absurd when you consider that cars down south are being leased for as low as $79 per month. Anyways, all my folks can do now is wait and see what happens. They dont have the cash up front to purchase a new vehicle from the states and they cant purchase a car here because the prices are high. Hopefully all this media attention will help prices go down so more people in Canada can have access to better and new vehicles.

[sheriffabc]

Well it all depends, I remember when I was there someone was told by US customs their paper work hasn't arrive and was told to "park the car in US and wait till it arrives, there is a motel down there, and if you want there is a storage place also" they said.

Best bet for you is to call them before you head down to see if its okay.



Does anyone know what number to call for Queenston-Lewiston bridge to verify if fax has arrived and ok to head down? TIA

[jadeboy]

Ok.. the only way I can see around the problem with not selling to Canadian is to get a "friend" to buy it (yes I know about the possiblity of double tax). I was wonder if this can be done immediately quick.

After the friend buy the NEW vehicle do I have to wait several weeks before I can buy from him using a bill of sale and then Title the Car? How long would it take to Title the Car. What would happen to the MSO?

[yyz2hkg]

Does anyone know what number to call for Queenston-Lewiston bridge to verify if fax has arrived and ok to head down? TIA

QL US Customs 1-716-282-1400

[Bincent]

Does anyone know what number to call for Queenston-Lewiston bridge to verify if fax has arrived and ok to head down? TIA

Can anyone also confirm the hours of operation for US Customs?
From their website, it says that they are open 8:30am-5pm
http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/toolbox/contacts/ports/ny/0901.xml

From the carburner site, it says that it's open till 4pm..
http://www.carburner.com/index.php?title=US_Border_Crossings_Information

Which one is correct?

[koleso]

Is there a limit to how many cars an individual can import?

[ian46]

According to the Cdn Federal Accountability Act (now in force):


"Reforms to political financing include:

* new limits on individual donations to parties and candidates [limit =1100$ per year per PERSON]

* a ban on contributions from corporations, unions and organizations to parties and candidates "


Here is one idea to help move our Politicians:

When they come calling for money for the next election,
let's tell them we just spent 10K$ more on a car than we
needed to, come back in about 10 years !

As always, my personal opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of any group,
company, etc. You should do your own research first before coming
to your own opinions and conclusions.

[dairymandip]

the toronto star got wind of it

http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/270299

[ian46]

From the Toronto star story above:

"The federal Competition Bureau says there is nothing illegal about the practice."

The above statement is meaningless without some sort
of explanation ... could be true or not. I think the Press
is doing a great job on this issue - they just have to dig
a little deeper !

Remember, the banning of political contributions from
companies just took effect in Jan/07. Perhaps someone
who is paid by us taxpayers did not receive the "Memo" yet.

Besides, three ongoing lawsuits regarding this issue
suggest strongly that there is merit - as the saying
goes "Where there is smoke there is fire !" Or at least there
could be fire and it at least needs investigation ...

As always, my personal opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of any group,
company, etc. You should do your own research first before coming
to your own opinions and conclusions.

[elviswhite]

Is there a limit to how many cars an individual can import?

I think you're only limited to the number you can drive in personally. Driving in a tractor trailer with 6 cars in tow is fine as long as you're driving it in.

[ian46]

I think you're only limited to the number you can drive in personally. Driving in a tractor trailer with 6 cars in tow is fine as long as you're driving it in.

However, if you intend to sell the cars soon after importing
them you are allowed somethng like 2 sales
per year before you need to be a dealer, otherwise you
become a "curbsider" .... you should check this out first,
it could vary by Province, etc.

The above is a "small scale" example of the principle that
we all must abide by ALL the laws of the land,
not just the law that suits you best today !

As always, my personal opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of any group,
company, etc. You should do your own research first before coming
to your own opinions and conclusions.

[Tender]

A little off topic, but if anyone is buying a car from a dealership in Toronto this week or next contact me if you would like to save an additional $1000. I am currently about to sell my car to a dealership, I have an offer from the dealership for the car at just under $16,000. I am currently not looking to get another vehicle, so I'll be losing out on over $2000 of tax savings for not doing a trade in.

So if anyone is buying a new car this or next week and interested in getting an extra $1000 off their car, message me ASAP, this way we both can benefit the extra money. Cheers.

More specs about your car?

[Sentinels]

More specs about your car?

here's a link for the details of my car:

http://toronto.craigslist.org/car/449707635.html

[Louist]

So you say the Canadian dollar is up on the US, but German made cars don't reflect this...they are Euro based. Wake up and smell the coffee you cheating $%'s

Feb 2004 Euro 1.681 canadian
Oct 2007 Euro 1.39 canadian
(this is a 21% increase in our dollars worth!)

Feb 2004 USA .74 Can
Oct 2007 USA 1.23 Can
(this is a massive 39% gain)

Fact 80 % of a German made car is based on parts that are priced/sourced at a standardized US rate...meaning They are getting their parts CHEAP!!

if we are losing 80% at the 39% and 20% at the 21%...this leaves us extremely ripped off. Quit talking trash about how our currency has not done well compared to the world...just the USA.

The actual gain with the numbers crunched considering 80% of the car is based on USA dollars anyways as parts>>>35.4 frikkin%%

Now think someone can show me the money 35.4% extra profit for who? Cut car prices imediately by half that ammount as a start. 17% and you are still screwing over the Canadians.

Split the difference Audi/BMW/. Porche gave us 8% or a Quarter back of what they are actually making EXTRA.

[georgetoy]

I just wondered if anyone has successfully imported a new Ford into Canada and what dealership they used?

The salesperson at Towne Auto (Buffalo) who sells Fords, Hyundais and other makes, told me that there are NO dealer restrictions for selling Ford or Hyundai cars to Canadians. They are experienced with the import process. However, you will not receive any manufacturer rebates from Ford. You will receive mfg rebates on Hyundais.

[zzricezz]

We should get the Star to report on Subaru success and how they are helping Canadians. And let see how the other manufacture deal with that once the words get out.

[Bullseye]

Hello all..I finally was able to submit 3 faxes to lewiston of my CoT. So now to wait 72 hrs. I was just wondering is it a must to arrive after 72 (business) hrs? or do they keep it on file? 72 (business) hrs from now would put me at about 2pm Monday Oct 29th, but I dont think I'll be able to cross until Monday Nov 5th, just wondering if that poses a problem. Also when is a good time to call and ask for verification that my fax has arrived successfully and everything was legible etc etc?

Don't think the delay will be a problem, looked like US customs is keeping a separate folder for each day (all about 2" thick!) of faxes. Just tell them the day it was faxed, and they will pull that days folder.

Calling to verify is hit and miss, they are so busy that they often just ignore the phone. I'd say first thing in the morning would be best, probably.

[Bullseye]

The salesperson at Towne Auto (Buffalo) who sells Fords, Hyundais and other makes, told me that there are NO dealer restrictions for selling to Canadians. They are experienced with the import process. However, you will not receive any manufacturer rebates from Ford. You will receive mfg rebates on Hyundais.

From today's Star;

'However, a Ford of Canada spokesperson said her company will honour warranties in both countries. Public affairs manager Gina Gehlert also said she is unaware of any company rule prohibiting a Canadian consumer from buying in the U.S. At the same time, she noted Ford will continue to set its prices for the Canadian market, and not to match the U.S.'

http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/270299

[rubeus]

Has anyone imported a saab specifically a 9-3 sedan.

If so let me know if there was any duty.
and a dealer that is CDN friendly.

Thanks in advance

[ryehigh17]

However, if you intend to sell the cars soon after importing
them you are allowed somethng like 2 sales
per year before you need to be a dealer, otherwise you
become a "curbsider" .... you should check this out first,
it could vary by Province, etc.

The above is a "small scale" example of the principle that
we all must abide by ALL the laws of the land,
not just the law that suits you best today !

Can we sell the vehicle before we register it in Ontario? In other words, once the vehicle is in Canada, can we transfer the MSO or title to the new owner before we plate the vehicle? This way we can avoid paying the provincial sales tax...

[f00kie]

"Hyundai Motor America is presently honouring their warranty on vehicles that have been imported to Canada. Please be aware that this may change in the future. In addition, roadside assistance on US vehicles is not honoured in Canada."

Can they legally change and enforce a warranty change for those that have bought the car before the change was announced and/or occurred?

[whampoa]

Can we sell the vehicle before we register it in Ontario? In other words, once the vehicle is in Canada, can we transfer the MSO or title to the new owner before we plate the vehicle? This way we can avoid paying the provincial sales tax...

Yeah, they have a name for that kind of thing, it's called car theft.

Don't get me wrong, you might have someone who can better explained to you how to legally transfer a vehicle from one owner to another.

But since you haven't even register your own vehicle in the first place, how can you transfer to someone else.

[falen55]

I know this may have been asked before, but theres just so many pages to go through to read, but, does anyone know of a shop or place somewhere in or near Toronto which will import a car from the US for you?
And has anyone tried importing a 2008 VW Rabbit?

[Lost Horizon]

Yeah, they have a name for that kind of thing, it's called car theft.

Don't get me wrong, you might have someone who can better explained to you how to legally transfer a vehicle from one owner to another.

But since you haven't even register your own vehicle in the first place, how can you transfer to someone else.

+1.. I actually got the Subaru for my wife, as a surprise, so I had everything along the food chain in my name. When it came time to plate it, (BC) I had to do the initial registration in my name, pay the PST, then I immediately "gifted" (no second taxing) the car to my wife who insured it and plated it for real. So I owned the car as a Canadian Vehicle for about 5 minutes.

[moguy]

Question here:

I'm currently in the process of arranging an import of a US vehicle.

I was planning on doing an import of a "demo" but a new opportunity has arised.

I've got a US friend who is moving to Canada. He as offered to buy a car in his home state (with no tax) and then bring it accross the border with him as a personal use vehicle.

He then would sell it to me here in Canada.

I'm not looking to avoid any taxes, but I also don't want to pay double taxes.

Is anyone here aware of any rules on bringing across personal use vehicles?
Duties? Taxes? Length of ownership? How is it different from a straight import?

I did find one document from 1995 that states the vehicle must have been owned for 6 months. I'm not sure if that is still the case.

Thanks in advance for any help.

[JWL]

These barriers to trade for importing US cars are the most absurd thing I've ever heard of. Can someone in our goverment please explain to me why it's absolutely no problem for a US citizen to drive into Canada with their own vehicle that a Canadian can't purchase in the USA and bring back without proof of recalls, failure to meet our standards (DRL and bumpers)...etc. Why is a US citizen allowed to drive their apparently (apparently says our government because we can't drive those cars ourselves) unroadworthy vehicles here? Why is there a double standard that allows US citizens to put all us Canadians at risk on our roads? Obviously, this danger needs to be met by our border guards refusing the entry of American owned vehicles that we Canadians are prohibited from bringing into Canada. Why the double standard? Why are we Canadians subjected to discrimination in our own country for being Canadian? Anyone?

You might want to think a bit more broadly. The solutions to what you are calling "discrimination" are:
1/ Canadians adopt/follow all American laws that are more permisive thus removing what you call "trade barriers".
2/ Stop Americans from driving into Canada.

Which do you pick? Sounds like you would prefer the first and have Canada give up its power to make its own decisions.

[Bullseye]

Can they legally change and enforce a warranty change for those that have bought the car before the change was announced and/or occurred?

No, it would only be going forward. When you buy, you 'lock in' the rules at that time, from a legal perspective. They must honour the contract as it was when sold to you, and if that included a warranty, they can't suddenly change the rules and back out at some later date.

[tomw]

Question here:

I'm currently in the process of arranging an import of a US vehicle.

I was planning on doing an import of a "demo" but a new opportunity has arised.

I've got a US friend who is moving to Canada. He as offered to buy a car in his home state (with no tax) and then bring it accross the border with him as a personal use vehicle.

He then would sell it to me here in Canada.

I'm not looking to avoid any taxes, but I also don't want to pay double taxes.

Is anyone here aware of any rules on bringing across personal use vehicles?
Duties? Taxes? Length of ownership? How is it different from a straight import?

I did find one document from 1995 that states the vehicle must have been owned for 6 months. I'm not sure if that is still the case.

Thanks in advance for any help.

I believe your friend has to own, possess and use the item including a vehicle for him to qualify as a tax free import otherwise he would have to pay tax at the border. You will also have to pay PST when you purchase it from him. I guess you can research this more by going to the cbsa website.

[ian46]

I know this may have been asked before, but theres just so many pages to go through to read, but, does anyone know of a shop or place somewhere in or near Toronto which will import a car from the US for you?
And has anyone tried importing a 2008 VW Rabbit?

You can phone around your local area if you wish, but
all things considered you should go buy a US built SUBARU
now on your own. Do not wait, do not pass go ...

As always, my personal opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of any group,
company, etc. You should do your own research first before coming
to your own opinions and conclusions.

[Kamloops]

Add in our local rag in Kamloops - I wonder just how well they will reflect.

http://www.kyra.ca/nissan.jpg

[moguy]

I believe your friend has to own, possess and use the item including a vehicle for him to qualify as a tax free import otherwise he would have to pay tax at the border. You will also have to pay PST when you purchase it from him. I guess you can research this more by going to the cbsa website.


Well he would own and possess it. I just don't know how long he has to own it, or wether he would still need to pay taxes and duties to bring it in to canada.

I tried www.cbsa.ca - canadian snooker site, and cbsa.com -college bound student athelete site.
lol

Any chance you can post a link for me?

Thanks :)

[moguy]

Add in our local rag in Kamloops - I wonder just how well they will reflect.

http://www.kyra.ca/nissan.jpg

Those still seem quite a bit higher than US prices.

Looks like more like deceptive advertising to clear out last years cars, instead of real price adjustments.

[shopper-X]

Add in our local rag in Kamloops - I wonder just how well they will reflect.

http://www.kyra.ca/nissan.jpg

So, it's okay for the dealer to cry wolf about importing new cars from the US but it's okay for them to buy used and resale them for hugh profits...wow!

The dealers in Canada need to pick aside. Either allow free trade or not, not whatever suits them.

[ian46]

From today's Star;

'However, a Ford of Canada spokesperson said her company will honour warranties in both countries. Public affairs manager Gina Gehlert also said she is unaware of any company rule prohibiting a Canadian consumer from buying in the U.S. At the same time, she noted Ford will continue to set its prices for the Canadian market, and not to match the U.S.'

http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/270299


Using the same logic as above, I think Walmart won't
have any company rules that prohibit consumers from
shopping at Best Buy !

As always, my personal opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of any group,
company, etc. You should do your own research first before coming
to your own opinions and conclusions.

[falen55]

You can phone around your local area if you wish, but
all things considered you should go buy a US built SUBARU
now on your own. Do not wait, do not pass go ...

Just out of curiosity, why specifically a Subaru? Are the price differences very significant between Canada and US for Subaru's?

[Lost Horizon]

Just out of curiosity, why specifically a Subaru? Are the price differences very significant between Canada and US for Subaru's?

-It has a great crash test rating..
-It is in the top reliability class
-AWD that is seamless
-Handles great
-Saved (after all the dust settles on taxes) 14,000 over the same car in Canada..
-No hassle to import and register.. nothing needs doing
-Warranty is reimbursible in Canada

(Never even sat in one until I picked it up in Bellingham). Love it.

[lilmikey]

I personally like how this site tells u step by step what to do.

http://www.auto-broker-magic.com/Canada_Import.html

[Ebola]

Well he would own and possess it. I just don't know how long he has to own it, or wether he would still need to pay taxes and duties to bring it in to canada.

I tried www.cbsa.ca - canadian snooker site, and cbsa.com -college bound student athelete site.
lol

Any chance you can post a link for me?

Thanks :)

The CBSA website is at www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca

Your friend has to have owned possesed and used the car for at least 6 months before moving to Canada in order to qualify for the settler tariff exemption.

That being said, even if he did own the vehicle for 6 months prior to moving, he cannot sell the vehicle for 12 months upon landing in Canada. If he does, then all import duties and taxes will be collected.

[whampoa]

+1.. I actually got the Subaru for my wife, as a surprise, so I had everything along the food chain in my name. When it came time to plate it, (BC) I had to do the initial registration in my name, pay the PST, then I immediately "gifted" (no second taxing) the car to my wife who insured it and plated it for real. So I owned the car as a Canadian Vehicle for about 5 minutes.

Same as in Ontario, however it only works between spouses, not parent to children or some long lost blood relatives.

So, it's okay for the dealer to cry wolf about importing new cars from the US but it's okay for them to buy used and resale them for hugh profits...wow!

The dealers in Canada need to pick aside. Either allow free trade or not, not whatever suits them.

If that is what they do and we report this dealership practice to Nissan Canada. I love to see what their reaction will be?

[michelb]

Question here:

I'm currently in the process of arranging an import of a US vehicle.

I was planning on doing an import of a "demo" but a new opportunity has arised.

I've got a US friend who is moving to Canada. He as offered to buy a car in his home state (with no tax) and then bring it accross the border with him as a personal use vehicle.

He then would sell it to me here in Canada.

I'm not looking to avoid any taxes, but I also don't want to pay double taxes.

Is anyone here aware of any rules on bringing across personal use vehicles?
Duties? Taxes? Length of ownership? How is it different from a straight import?

I did find one document from 1995 that states the vehicle must have been owned for 6 months. I'm not sure if that is still the case.

Thanks in advance for any help.

I believe your friend has to own, possess and use the item including a vehicle for him to qualify as a tax free import otherwise he would have to pay tax at the border. You will also have to pay PST when you purchase it from him. I guess you can research this more by going to the cbsa website.

The CBSA website is at www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca

Your friend has to have owned possesed and used the car for at least 6 months before moving to Canada in order to qualify for the settler tariff exemption.

That being said, even if he did own the vehicle for 6 months prior to moving, he cannot sell the vehicle for 12 months upon landing in Canada. If he does, then all import duties and taxes will be collected.

From what it sounds like, you are basically using your friend to buy the car for you to get around the manufacturers that don't want to sell to Canadians (e.g. Toyota).

If that's correct, you are making this way more complicated than it needs to be. All you need to do is :

1) your friend buys the car in his name at his address (you said no state tax)
2) your friend sells you the car for what he paid (in the US)
3) you import into Canada.

This really only works well if your friend is in a state with no state tax otherwise he'll have to pay tax on it and you'll have to pay tax on it again.

[moguy]

The CBSA website is at www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca

Your friend has to have owned possesed and used the car for at least 6 months before moving to Canada in order to qualify for the settler tariff exemption.

That being said, even if he did own the vehicle for 6 months prior to moving, he cannot sell the vehicle for 12 months upon landing in Canada. If he does, then all import duties and taxes will be collected.

That's what I was worried about.

Thanks for the info.

[moguy]

From what it sounds like, you are basically using your friend to buy the car for you to get around the manufacturers that don't want to sell to Canadians (e.g. Toyota).

If that's correct, you are making this way more complicated than it needs to be. All you need to do is :

1) your friend buys the car in his name at his address (you said no state tax)
2) your friend sells you the car for what he paid (in the US)
3) you import into Canada.

This really only works well if your friend is in a state with no state tax otherwise he'll have to pay tax on it and you'll have to pay tax on it again.

You're correct (about trying to get around dealers that won't sell to CDN's)

That sounds like a much better way to go about it.

Any idea how simple (or complicated) it is for a private sale in the US?
Would he have to register the vehicle it first?

My friend is from South Carolina, so he doesn't have to pay state tax, but the dealership would be in Buffalo. So I wonder if there would be any issues in doing the private sale immediately after.

Thanks for the help.

[michelb]

You're correct (about trying to get around dealers that won't sell to CDN's)

That sounds like a much better way to go about it.

Any idea how simple (or complicated) it is for a private sale in the US?
Would he have to register the vehicle it first?

My friend is from South Carolina, so he doesn't have to pay state tax, but the dealership would be in Buffalo. So I wonder if there would be any issues in doing the private sale immediately after.

Thanks for the help.

I don't imagine that you'd have any problems as long as the salesperson can write a US address for the buyer - in fact, I suspect that they'd let you buy it in your name using his address in SouthCarolina. I would just call up the dealer and ask them - just be up front about everything (you're from Canada but you have a friend living in SC and you want to know if they'll let you buy a car using his address).

[falen55]

-It has a great crash test rating..
-It is in the top reliability class
-AWD that is seamless
-Handles great
-Saved (after all the dust settles on taxes) 14,000 over the same car in Canada..
-No hassle to import and register.. nothing needs doing
-Warranty is reimbursible in Canada

(Never even sat in one until I picked it up in Bellingham). Love it.

hmm, well now that i checked out the subaru website, im actually considering getting a 5-door imprezza

[diigii]

A colleague relayed me this encounter with a female salesperson working at Downtown Subaru here in Toronto. She arrogantly said that the warranty coverage for a US-bought is not valid here in Canada. My colleague wanted to confront her but decided against it because she didn't want to cause a scene. But if it was me who was in there, I would gladly go head-to-head with her just so to put her up against wall and embarass her with her misleading info.

Little did she know that the people around her know that the warranty is honored by Subaru of America. Or maybe she knows that but is desperate for sales, hence the scare tactic:cheesygri . She's not getting any commission as of late, I hope!

[AirTimid]

hmm, well now that i checked out the subaru website, im actually considering getting a 5-door imprezza

I think the imprezza is built in Japan. If so, add 6.1%

[shopper-X]

I think the imprezza is built in Japan. If so, add 6.1%

You are correct sir!
Imprezza and Forester are built in Japan and you will be required to pay the 6.1% duty fee.

[falen55]

ya i noticed that too.
so what would the taxes be on the imprezza, for example. 6.1% + GST?

[bigbug]

The salesperson at Towne Auto (Buffalo) who sells Fords, Hyundais and other makes, told me that there are NO dealer restrictions for selling Ford or Hyundai cars to Canadians. They are experienced with the import process. However, you will not receive any manufacturer rebates from Ford. You will receive mfg rebates on Hyundais.

I asked 3 Ford dealers in Buffalo area back in June, none of them willing to sell me a Ford Escape.

[White Comet]

But Subaru Japan doesn't make 4 door Impreza's. I thought the sedan version was made in USA???

[Lost Horizon]

But Subaru Japan doesn't make 4 door Impreza's. I thought the sedan version was made in USA???

Look up a VIN .. if the first slot is a digit, it's not taxed, if a letter, it's 6.1% duty.

[diigii]

You are correct sir!
Imprezza and Forester are built in Japan and you will be required to pay the 6.1% duty fee.

That's a cheap price to pay to get a quality-built car. "Made in Japan" somehow means "Built Solid!" An example of that are the 1999-2003 Maximas compared to the current 2004-2008 models.

[shopper-X]

But Subaru Japan doesn't make 4 door Impreza's. I thought the sedan version was made in USA???

Built FOR is what you mean.
The 4 door is not built FOR the market in Japan. That means the sedan is built FOR the North American market.
However they are all built in Japan then shipped here.

You can check autos.msn.com, find your vehicle and click Features and Specs. The last line will be the Assembly country (not always true, but 90% right). You can cross-check ebay and other selling sites as they list the VIN.

[yyz2hkg]

I asked 3 Ford dealers in Buffalo area back in June, none of them willing to sell me a Ford Escape.


I asked a dealership in Syracuse for a GMC Acadia...was originally willing to sell, but "changed their minds" a few days later. Was approx 12-13K cheaper for the same vehicle.

Diigii, you like my Avatar???

[warpdryv]

The globe & mail is doing a q&a with bmw canada tomorrow - register & get your comments posted/questions answered...

http://www.globeinvestor.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071025.wbmw_discussion1025/GIStory/

[diigii]

I asked a dealership in Syracuse for a GMC Acadia...was originally willing to sell, but "changed their minds" a few days later. Was approx 12-13K cheaper for the same vehicle.

Diigii, you like my Avatar???

Yeah boiii!!! Stick it up Honda's a**hole. Better yet, do both Honda and Toyota in a threesome. :D

[HighFlyer]

The "Canadian customers" link has disappeared off of Van Bortel's site.

[diigii]

The "Canadian customers" link has disappeared off of Van Bortel's site.

Are you serious? I hope it's nothing of concern. Maybe he's got a dedicated website for Canadian customers.

EDIT: I'm beginning to suspect that Canadian dealerships have complained again to Subaru Canada, then Subaru of America called Van Bortel to ask them to take it out. But who cares??? Van Bortel has enough word of mouth advertising from their Canadian clients. Even if I didn't buy a Subaru from Karl (although I inquired about the Legacy sedan), I refer his dealership to colleagues who are thinking of buying a car in the US.

[LoveRFD]

The "Canadian customers" link has disappeared off of Van Bortel's site.

What was that link about?

[inkognito81]

What was that link about?

It was about the following: (page still cached by Google :) )


Here at Van Bortel Subaru you can save more from the #1 Subaru dealer in the US.
We make the buying process easy by handling all the necessary paperwork for the border prior to delivery. All vehicles are priced at exact factory invoice, and although we have the largest inventory in New York, you can also order a new Subaru that meets your personal specifications at no additional charge
We are a short drive from the border and we also offer free shuttle service from the Rochester, Buffalo and Syracuse airports.
Kitty Van Bortel owns the top selling Subaru dealership in the USA. Her automotive group is now one of the fastest growing privately held companies in the Greater Rocehster area. With an investment of $500, Kitty founded her first used car dealership in her front yard in 1985, lining up the cars in front of her small house in Victor, NY. It was only natural that she became attracted to Subaru because of the cars' sturdy construction, excellent design and focus on safety, reliability and comfort. She built a facility in Victor to house Van Bortel Subaru, and opened the doors in 1991.
Click here to contact our export consultant.

[Bullseye]

I actually avoided ordering and waiting for a factory Outback, opting for one on the lot instead, because I figured it's only a matter of time before Subaru goes the same way as the other manufacturers and bans sales of new vehicles to Canadians.

The disappearing Canadian Customer link on the VB site just goes to show how much pressure SoC must be putting on.

[itcareer]

This might have been posted before, but just in case:
Ban greets Canadians seeking U.S. car deals
http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/270299

[bmm34]

I am looking at purchasing the Subaru Tribeca (I live in Ontario). My question is do I pay any TFFC tax on this vehicle?

Link for the TFFC listing:
http://www.rev.gov.on.ca/english/guides/tffc/2008.html#subaru

I took one ot for a test drive recently and the sales person said there were no additional "gas guzzling" taxes on the Tribeca.

Thanks

[bmm34]

Net income at Japan's number-two car maker climbed to US$1.83 billion. That's up from US$1.11 billion in the same period a year ago. The automaker says group sales grew 13 per cent to just over US$26 billion to achieve its seventh consecutive sales record.

I AM SURE CDN'S HAVE CONTRIPUTED TO THE INCREASE!!!

[hammer]

Well, after reading every posting in this thread as well as others, I finally bought myself a SCION. I will reveal the dealer after delivery next week...if anyone is interested.

in sum:

You need a relative living outside NY state in US.
You need insurance from US or Canada...doesn't matter.
The trick is saying that your relative will pay the state taxes when he/she registers...but of course it will never be registered in the US but in Canada. (dealer suggested this to me).

THATS IT! No NY taxes paid, just $105US for dealer fees. Will need to pay 6.1 duty and GST+PST at the border which roughly works out to 20% as they charge tax on duty.

RFD is really draining my savings:(

[dealcatcher]

Well, after reading every posting in this thread as well as others, I finally bought myself a SCION. I will reveal the dealer after delivery next week...if anyone is interested.

in sum:

You need a relative living outside NY state in US.
You need insurance from US or Canada...doesn't matter.
The trick is saying that your relative will pay the state taxes when he/she registers...but of course it will never be registered in the US but in Canada. (dealer suggested this to me).

THATS IT! No NY taxes paid, just $105US for dealer fees. Will need to pay 6.1 duty and GST+PST at the border which roughly works out to 20% as they charge tax on duty.

RFD is really draining my savings:(

Great.. please give more details?

Does the dealer need your relative's driver license?

does the dealer need your relative name on the car registation form? or your name?

[runningdog]

The "Canadian customers" link has disappeared off of Van Bortel's site.

I have been reading this thread from the very beginning and if I remember correctly, this happened once before some time near the beginning. The Canadian company talked to the American company who then "scolded" the American dealership. Wasn't it Van Bortel? Or am I just remembering the Meet-Up that was canceled?

[hammer]

Great.. please give more details?

Does the dealer need your relative's driver license?

does the dealer need your relative name on the car registation form? or your name?

No need for my brother's license. In fact my brother doesn't even know if I bought a car yet.

Car registration has my name. It was as if I was living at my brother's place...which is not far from the truth since I visit him often enough. They are just looking for a US address to report to Toyota head office...that is it!

[golfer29]

Well, after reading every posting in this thread as well as others, I finally bought myself a SCION. I will reveal the dealer after delivery next week...if anyone is interested.

in sum:

You need a relative living outside NY state in US.
You need insurance from US or Canada...doesn't matter.
The trick is saying that your relative will pay the state taxes when he/she registers...but of course it will never be registered in the US but in Canada. (dealer suggested this to me).

THATS IT! No NY taxes paid, just $105US for dealer fees. Will need to pay 6.1 duty and GST+PST at the border which roughly works out to 20% as they charge tax on duty.

RFD is really draining my savings:(

Will they honour the warranty in Canada?

[hammer]

Will they honour the warranty in Canada?

Yes. Toyota warranty is good for NA whether imported or not. I had thought about this and found that the SCION share many parts with Yaris and Echo so it should not be hard to find parts/service for my SCION at a toyota dealer. Worst case is I drive to Buffalo.

[jadeboy]

Well, after reading every posting in this thread as well as others, I finally bought myself a SCION. I will reveal the dealer after delivery next week...if anyone is interested.

in sum:

You need a relative living outside NY state in US.
You need insurance from US or Canada...doesn't matter.
The trick is saying that your relative will pay the state taxes when he/she registers...but of course it will never be registered in the US but in Canada. (dealer suggested this to me).



OK.. your relative will sell you the car after.... how long do you have to wait after the transactions? Aren't Lexus/Toyota forcing people to Title their car?

[longdong]

Yes. Toyota warranty is good for NA whether imported or not. I had thought about this and found that the SCION share many parts with Yaris and Echo so it should not be hard to find parts/service for my SCION at a toyota dealer. Worst case is I drive to Buffalo.

just wonder , how can you repare SCION in Canada ? can you get Scion parts somewhere ?

[Longobongo]

wow thats good to know, I have a friend in Colorado so I may ask if I can use his address when I buy a car in a state like NY

Well, after reading every posting in this thread as well as others, I finally bought myself a SCION. I will reveal the dealer after delivery next week...if anyone is interested.

in sum:

You need a relative living outside NY state in US.
You need insurance from US or Canada...doesn't matter.
The trick is saying that your relative will pay the state taxes when he/she registers...but of course it will never be registered in the US but in Canada. (dealer suggested this to me).

THATS IT! No NY taxes paid, just $105US for dealer fees. Will need to pay 6.1 duty and GST+PST at the border which roughly works out to 20% as they charge tax on duty.

RFD is really draining my savings:(

[dotcalamitie]

One of the most important things ALL of us can do is inform everyone we know about the deals available in the US. I have personally helped sell no less than 4 US cars already, have various friends/relatives examining their options of bringing US cars in and continue to advise everyone I know about the US savings. You have to play a part in this. Don't let your friends and family get screwed by buying cars in Canada.

Frankly, whereas I've helped sell 3 Tribeca's - not one of the buyers of the Tribeca's would have even considered Subaru as an option in Canada - not because of the price, but because the buyers would have never even shopped for a Subaru to begin with - they all made the leap because Multiline brought the cars into Canada. So Subaru Canada gets a HUGE benefit here. They get the long term service dollars, they get the Subaru name out there. None of my buyers of US Subaru's impacted Subaru Canada directly in any negative way whatsoever...however, collectively they have. I'm totally impressed with Subaru, a brand I had equated with lower end vehicles because of my lack of knowledge of the brand. Now I'm a Subaru warrior! However, I'm not interested in helping Subaru Canada sell cars. Not till their prices are competitive. I love my Subaru!!! So if SoC is whining to US dealers they can stuff it where the sun don't shine. Their vehicles are making inroads to the Canadian market.

[greatman]

This thread is very informative.
Thanks to every 1 who had a good in put.

I am looking for Nissan Quest buying from US, is there any 1 who bougt it from US and what changes needed to be made? Do the bumpers need replacement, DRL how much it costs? I read it costs from $25 to $250 .. very confuse... any other change???

Is there any dealer near Ontario willing to sell to Canadian??

Thanks

[dealcatcher]

No need for my brother's license. In fact my brother doesn't even know if I bought a car yet.

Car registration has my name. It was as if I was living at my brother's place...which is not far from the truth since I visit him often enough. They are just looking for a US address to report to Toyota head office...that is it!

If any us address works, there is no need to ask for your relative to help? We can always use street address private mail box to purchase cars unless they ask for US ID etc.?

[whampoa]

A colleague relayed me this encounter with a female salesperson working at Downtown Subaru here in Toronto. She arrogantly said that the warranty coverage for a US-bought is not valid here in Canada. My colleague wanted to confront her but decided against it because she didn't want to cause a scene. But if it was me who was in there, I would gladly go head-to-head with her just so to put her up against wall and embarass her with her misleading info.

Little did she know that the people around her know that the warranty is honored by Subaru of America. Or maybe she knows that but is desperate for sales, hence the scare tactic:cheesygri . She's not getting any commission as of late, I hope!

What are you talking about?

She's technically right about Subaru of Canada not honoring warranty, from US imported 2008 Subaru. Imported 2007 Subaru warranty is still covered in Canada.

That's why you have to sent the warranty invoice to be enumerate by Subaru of America to get reimburse.

[J233]

Well, after reading every posting in this thread as well as others, I finally bought myself a SCION. I will reveal the dealer after delivery next week...if anyone is interested.

in sum:

You need a relative living outside NY state in US.
You need insurance from US or Canada...doesn't matter.
The trick is saying that your relative will pay the state taxes when he/she registers...but of course it will never be registered in the US but in Canada. (dealer suggested this to me).

THATS IT! No NY taxes paid, just $105US for dealer fees. Will need to pay 6.1 duty and GST+PST at the border which roughly works out to 20% as they charge tax on duty.

RFD is really draining my savings:(

What year is your SCION ? I did not know that these are admissible ? No problem with the recall letter ?

[shopper-X]

The "Canadian customers" link has disappeared off of Van Bortel's site.

Are you serious? I hope it's nothing of concern. Maybe he's got a dedicated website for Canadian customers.

EDIT: I'm beginning to suspect that Canadian dealerships have complained again to Subaru Canada, then Subaru of America called Van Bortel to ask them to take it out. But who cares??? Van Bortel has enough word of mouth advertising from their Canadian clients. Even if I didn't buy a Subaru from Karl (although I inquired about the Legacy sedan), I refer his dealership to colleagues who are thinking of buying a car in the US.

I actually avoided ordering and waiting for a factory Outback, opting for one on the lot instead, because I figured it's only a matter of time before Subaru goes the same way as the other manufacturers and bans sales of new vehicles to Canadians.

The disappearing Canadian Customer link on the VB site just goes to show how much pressure SoC must be putting on.

Everyone is talking about a missing link but where's Karl been?
He has not posted in awhile...have SOA and SCI muffled Karl? Even Zach from Eastside Subaru has not posted in awhile.
I hope they are just really busy with the North bound traffic and not been told to stop helping.

[shoprbccom]

guys.. just a heads up.. i finally got a site up that i've been working on for a couple days with the help of monsieurmaggot and some other guys who are aces on this thread and other places on the web

www.importcarcanada.com

the page is there.. i pretty much organized it as well as i could and the space, etc is all free.

I know a few of you asked if you could contribute, etc.. by all means.. msg me here or on the site and i'll get you admin access.

and hopefully people won't rag on me for putting this page up with info that is found here and on the web.. carburner, etc. Im just as fed up as you guys with getting ripped off and i figured putting together a well organized site will help the cause.

take care.

[eastsidesubaru]

Everyone is talking about a missing link but where's Karl been?
He has not posted in awhile...have SOA and SCI muffled Karl? Even Zach from Eastside Subaru has not posted in awhile.
I hope they are just really busy with the North bound traffic and not been told to stop helping.

I am just really busy and lurking in the shadows... Got kind of sick of answering the same questions on here over and over and over again cause people don't search ;) So want to invest that time on my website again...
/shameless plug/ http://www.carburner.com ... But I have not heard anything from SOA or SCI. I think we will hit 13 cars this month to Canada total.

-Zach

[ian46]

This might have been posted before, but just in case:
Ban greets Canadians seeking U.S. car deals
http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/270299


From the above article:

"The federal Competition Bureau says there is nothing illegal about the practice."



NOW
Compare this to the Cdn LAW:

OFFENCES IN RELATION TO COMPETITION

Conspiracy

45. (1) Every one who conspires, combines, agrees or arranges with another person

(a) to limit unduly the facilities for transporting, producing, manufacturing, supplying,
storing or dealing in any product,

(b) to prevent, limit or lessen, unduly, the manufacture or production of a product
or to enhance unreasonably the price thereof,

(c) to prevent or lessen, unduly, competition in the production, manufacture, purchase,
barter, sale, storage, rental, transportation or supply of a product, or in the price
of insurance on persons or property, or

(d) to otherwise restrain or injure competition unduly,

is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding
five years or to a fine not exceeding ten million dollars or to both.[/QUOTE]

Now I refer to my dictionary where Unduly is defined
as "Improper or unjust".

Can anyone explain what is going on here ?

As always, my personal opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of any group,
company, etc. You should do your own research first before coming
to your own opinions and conclusions.

[lastchild01]

Hi i am new to this thread, im looking into importing a Mercedes and also looking around to help out my cousin.



One thing i wanted to note was the other day I rented a Pontiac Grand Prix, the new model version (ugly in my opinion), one very impressive thing about this car is the information cluster. There is no km or mph, it uses the trip computer, or car computer and u set it to "metric" or "standard" if i remeber correctly and ALL the gauges and gadjets change.

As we crossed into the U.S., we were going to NYC, we simply clikced the button and the spedo changed from "100" to "60" showing that we were now going 60 miles an hour. the needle literally just lowered intself.

another car like this i believe is the Honda Civic ... with its digital read out, im not sure on that one tho~

[crasher]

One thing i wanted to note was the other day I rented a Pontiac Grand Prix, the new model version (ugly in my opinion), one very impressive thing about this car is the information cluster. There is no km or mph, it uses the trip computer, or car computer and u set it to "metric" or "standard" if i remeber correctly and ALL the gauges and gadjets change.

As we crossed into the U.S., we were going to NYC, we simply clikced the button and the spedo changed from "100" to "60" showing that we were now going 60 miles an hour. the needle literally just lowered intself.

another car like this i believe is the Honda Civic ... with its digital read out, im not sure on that one tho~
I rented Malibu last year, it had the same feature, I was impressed, I guess all GM cars are like that.

[shopper-X]

I am just really busy and lurking in the shadows... Got kind of sick of answering the same questions on here over and over and over again cause people don't search ;) So want to invest that time on my website again...
/shameless plug/ http://www.carburner.com ... But I have not heard anything from SOA or SCI. I think we will hit 13 cars this month to Canada total.

-Zach

Good to hear SOA/SCI haven't silenced you. The Soprano's theme song was going through my head. :twisted:

[dotcalamitie]

http://www.reportonbusiness.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071025.wbmw_discussion1025/BNStory/Business/home

[ian46]

Here is a article from today's National Post - A very
BUSINESS oriented Canadian Paper:

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/driving/story.html?id=f1e58bc1-38b2-43c5-9376-338e317acb72

It points out some issues from the "other side"
of the story (yes, there is never just one side )
BUT:
From the above article it concludes:

"I'm not saying the manufacturers don't need to reprice their Canadian products. They'd better do something soon before there's blood spilled in local dealerships. In fact, considering how incredibly unbalanced the price disparities have become and the incredible public outrage at Canadian prices, automakers deserve to have their pee-pees whacked for not having anticipated this problem and started the adjustments three or four years ago...."
(end quote)

I think this "price disparity" issue is like driving on the 401 or any major Cdn highway - although speeding is
against the law, it is only the "STREET RACERS" that
deserve to get their "pee-pees whacked" !

As always, my personal opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of any group,
company, etc. You should do your own research first before coming
to your own opinions and conclusions.

[Louist]

That article makes me the consumer feel backed into a corner....so what is the outcome if prices stay high because someone doesn't want to eat the cost of the lease??

Sorry industry...the answer is not to just pay the difference. YOU pay the difference. I'll move out of Canada before I pay 40% more for a car. Moving is a bit rash, so it be easier just to not purchase. It is a great time to invest with a dolar that is king right now....save, not spend maybe.

It is simple to say my canadian dollar will buy a lot more US dolars than it used to. Hell buy NYSE, buy comodities, buy anything that is based on US dollars. Make the money now and buy the products when the recession of zero purchasing hits Canada. Go ahead and back us into that corner....like the article says...blood will run from the outcome the longer this goes....heres for a 1.20 dollar AND lots of jobs doing suicide watch.

[superwell]

Here is a article from today's National Post - A very
BUSINESS oriented Canadian Paper:

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/driving/story.html?id=f1e58bc1-38b2-43c5-9376-338e317acb72

It points out some issues from the "other side"
of the story (yes, there is never just one side )

BUT:
From the above article it concludes:

"I'm not saying the manufacturers don't need to reprice their Canadian products. They'd better do something soon before there's blood spilled in local dealerships. In fact, considering how incredibly unbalanced the price disparities have become and the incredible public outrage at Canadian prices, automakers deserve to have their pee-pees whacked for not having anticipated this problem and started the adjustments three or four years ago...."
(end quote)

I think this "price disparity" issue is like driving on the 401 or any major Cdn highway - although speeding is
against the law, it is only the "STREET RACERS" that
deserve to get their "pee-pees whacked" !


I just read the article and i wish there was a "reply to the idiot the wrote this" link so i could put in a few cents. Even though I agree with what he is saying, as they are all valid points...nothing like paying $100 for something and then it's $50 tomorrow...we would all go back for price matches....you can't do that with cars..so his points are valid...but what I would write in my post is that, if the CDN government won't change the prices as maybe they shouldn't for all the problems that may arrise, then at least there should be a law that allow full out a CDN to buy a car at a US dealership without a problem. Why do we have to still be hammered down, even when our dollar is worth more, we as a nation should be allowed to go south of the border and purchase anything we like when we like and even more when the $ is at par, close to par or as it is today above par (if this was a golf game :) Anyway I think that everyone is looking at the wrong side of the problem here, it's not so much that the prices are higher here then south of us, it more that the companies down south have refussed to sell to us because our $ is now worth more. IMO, even when the $ was at 0.73, still not a bad exchange for the most part and I go online to look at some electronics that are still $1000 cheaper even with that exchange, but then when I try to purchase it they tell me that you can only ship to a US address???? Do you want to sell it or not? I as a CDN am willing to even get ripped apart on the shipping to get it up here as it will still be cheaper but yet they don't sell to me..what gives? Are stores/manufactures really making that much money that they can close their markets to only the US? OR is there a higher power, ie like the CDN government that tells them do not sell to us because it will inbalance everything? I think that later.

[ian46]

The current "Free Market" we have now appears to be only a ONE-WAY
Street !

Companies seem FREE to set their prices (OK )

But

Canadians are not able to choose their MARKET ! (Not OK)

As always, my personal opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of any group,
company, etc. You should do your own research first before coming
to your own opinions and conclusions.

[ian46]

Also, for Auto industry:

Canadian Auto Suppliers/Distributors seem FREE
to SET their price in a Cdn Monopoly situation.

BUT:

Independent Auto DEALERS are not able to
choose which supplier/Distributor they buy NEW Cars
from, thus eliminating any "Free Market" situation for
them !

Example: A BMW dealer in Canada MUST buy all his NEW
cars from BMW Canada - AND from nobody else !

As always, my personal opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of any group,
company, etc. You should do your own research first before coming
to your own opinions and conclusions.

[sb_tor]

Hi i am new to this thread, im looking into importing a Mercedes and also looking around to help out my cousin.



One thing i wanted to note was the other day I rented a Pontiac Grand Prix, the new model version (ugly in my opinion), one very impressive thing about this car is the information cluster. There is no km or mph, it uses the trip computer, or car computer and u set it to "metric" or "standard" if i remeber correctly and ALL the gauges and gadjets change.

As we crossed into the U.S., we were going to NYC, we simply clikced the button and the spedo changed from "100" to "60" showing that we were now going 60 miles an hour. the needle literally just lowered intself.

another car like this i believe is the Honda Civic ... with its digital read out, im not sure on that one tho~


yep, on the new civic, it is a one button operation to change display from km to miles. love this feature while driving to the US.

[leafsrule06]

What's the best price for a one way flight to Rochester from Toronto? I'm looking at buying soon and trying to find the cheapest way to get down there. A quick search on the net resulted in flights being at least $300 or more plus taxes.

[jrvic]

I was at a Toyota dealer in the GTA this past Saturday around noon time and the place was empty of car buyers. There were perhaps only half a dozen lookers including myself. This is definitely not normal in my opinion.
I asked about the Camry Hybrid and to my suprise that the sales person said they have 3 units in stock. Wow what happened?, I asked, since only back in August, GTA Toyota dealers were selling these unit BEFORE they arrive at their stores.
Also it looks like BMW is very aggressive with leases on 2007 clearout. With a little negotiation, a 2007 328i - Luxury package can be had for a lot less than a comparable competitor such Infiniti, Acura and Lexus.
I believe that if the auto companies continued to insist on higher prices, there would be a lot of sad faces when the sales numbers are tallied in these last few months of 2007. However, I think they are getting ready with one-time rebates and lease deals and hope to ride out this currency fluctuation without slashing MSRPs.

[HighFlyer]

What's the best price for a one way flight to Rochester from Toronto? I'm looking at buying soon and trying to find the cheapest way to get down there. A quick search on the net resulted in flights being at least $300 or more plus taxes.
Cheapest way would be a one way rental from YYZ to the BUF airport with hertz. There's currently a special until Nov 12 where you can rent a midsize on Friday Nov 9 (and maybe Nov 2 as well) for only $68 tax incl with no drop charges. Rate code: LAST. Then get Karl to pick you up from the BUF airport.

[superwell]

If anyone is interested tonight on CityTV, they will be doing a mini news skit on dealerships that are willing to sell to canadians and the ones that aren't. Might be worth while as they may let you know exactly where a type of dealer is for your car.

[Jay-c]

Cheapest way would be a one way rental from YYZ to the BUF airport with hertz. There's currently a special until Nov 12 where you can rent a midsize on Friday Nov 9 (and maybe Nov 2 as well) for only $68 tax incl with no drop charges. Rate code: LAST. Then get Karl to pick you up from the BUF airport.

Good idea! works on weekends too.. just looked at Nov 3

Do you know if the code works at any locations other than YYZ? I'd rather not have to pay airport parking if I don't have to, not to mention a more convenient location

[HighFlyer]

Good idea! works on weekends too.. just looked at Nov 3
Problem is unless you're going to make it a weekend shopping trip, Nov 3 is a Saturday, and the US customs export office is only open weekdays 8-4.


Do you know if the code works at any locations other than YYZ? I'd rather not have to pay airport parking if I don't have to, not to mention a more convenient location
Try it :)

[Bullseye]

I should create a Van Bortel shuttle service! :cheesygri

Any takers?

[ian46]

http://www.reportonbusiness.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071025.wbmw_discussion1025/BNStory/Business/home

They are having some sort of Live event !

From article above:
"Editor's Note: globeandmail.com editors will read and allow or reject each question/comment. Comments/questions may be edited for length or clarity. We will not publish questions/comments that include personal attacks on participants in these discussions, that make false or unsubstantiated allegations, that purport to quote people or reports where the purported quote or fact cannot be easily verified, or questions/comments that include vulgar language or libellous statements. Preference will be given to readers who submit questions/comments using their full name and home town, rather than a pseudonym."
(end quote)

For obvious reasons, I will hang back, then comment
after .... (Duhhhh ...)

Note that all my quoted information is ALL easily
verifiable, but my opinions are my own.

Please feel free to USE my quoted information in the
Globe & Mail event , as it pertains to the BMW situation.
Your opinions are of course your own !

The result should be a fair & balanced result ...

As always, my personal opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of any group,
company, etc. You should do your own research first before coming
to your own opinions and conclusions.

[irish80ca]

If anyone is interested tonight on CityTV, they will be doing a mini news skit on dealerships that are willing to sell to canadians and the ones that aren't. Might be worth while as they may let you know exactly where a type of dealer is for your car.

Sounds interesting. I'll keep an eye out for it. Is this at 6:00pm? 11:00pm?

Thanks

[HighFlyer]

I should add that those who are thinking of flying from YYZ to ROC, that you will not save much time, if any, over driving. As with all US flights, you have to be at the airport 2 hours in advance to clear US immigration formalities (if you don't have a NEXUS card). And since the turboprop flights depart from a satellite terminal near where the old Terminal 2 used to be, you have to allow time to be bussed from T1.

[thelefteyeguy]

I should create a Van Bortel shuttle service! :cheesygri

Any takers?

see group buy thread...we need one I think...$30-40 per person would be reasonable for me

[shoprbccom]

The CEO of BMW Canada is a dork. If any of you guys are looking at the report on business live chat, his answers are avoiding the questions.

[dotcalamitie]

yes his answers do avoid the question. but he states their position loudly and clearly. Sales are up 20% this year and Canadians are finding good value in buying their cars from BMW Canada. Only 200 BMWs imported this year, no different than 2006. You can see the joyful attitude of their President...and why not, his bonus this year is over the top for sure. Life doesn't get better. When I was negotiating the M6 and telling them I'll buy it in the USA the salesman said to me, in a factual and not arrogant way at all...most people make the threat, but our studies show that it's just a threat. Canadians buy their BMW's in Canada and there is no evidence to show otherwise...in fact the opposite is happening, more and more Canadians are buying their BMW's in Canada. I won't be ordering an M6 from BMW Canada.

[orion747]

This pretty much sums up all that the BMW CEO had to say:

Our pricing is always based on the competitive market situation in Canada, and the prices on our vehicles and options are competitive versus other manufacturers. Again, pretty well everything is more expensive in Canada, based on selling small volumes in a large country. I really wish I could sell vehicles and options at the same prices as the U.S. Our costs are based in euros, so the U.S/Cdn dollar exchange rate has had little impact on our costs.

Same crap oozed by all the car manufacturers. I'm holding my purchase back till something settles out. Hopefully the govt streamlines the importation process to really force the manufacturer's hand on this. That and mandate warranties be transferrable.

[nguyentri]

Something else he says:
If everyone out there can tell me how many more BMWs we could sell if prices were lower, that would give me the ammunition to go forward and fight the good fight for lower prices.


Umm.. isn't that his job to figure out? Is he going to pay me if I provide him with data on how much more/less money he can make if he lowers his prices?

I don't think anyone is going to convince BMW or any other car company to lower their prices by asking them to. You're going to have to tell them that with cash; as in take your cash elsewhere.

[5136440]

I am looking at purchasing the Subaru Tribeca (I live in Ontario). My question is do I pay any TFFC tax on this vehicle?

Link for the TFFC listing:
http://www.rev.gov.on.ca/english/guides/tffc/2008.html#subaru

I took one ot for a test drive recently and the sales person said there were no additional "gas guzzling" taxes on the Tribeca.



Thanks


Gas Guzzler Tax is the Federal and TFFC is actually Ontario's policy. I was quoted $400 in Willowdale Subaru for a Tribeca based on '07 B9 but was not required to pay in any process of my Tribeca from Karl@VB, or "Yet" since they might come back and hunt at any time. Whatever...
Anyway, No Gas Guzzler Tax from the federal gov. on a Trebica.

[warpdryv]

the latest article in the star is a little more accurate (some parts seem to be inspired by this thread), but still quite biased in tone. it's a shame really - they are certainly playing nice with their advertisers, and in the process, misleading their readers.

http://www.wheels.ca/article/32462

[Louist]

His answers are standard...we charge you more because we have record sales...translation...we can.

To go on and on justifying the price difference is a joke. Last year the dollar was 25% lower...the car did not get 25% more expensive. A new 2007 on the lot is the same car now worth 25% more just because?

1 question, just how did you sell a car and make money not even 12 months ago? If it is a fair price now, then you would have been bankrupt a year ago losing 20% per sale. Go back 3 years and it was 40%.....the arguement he makes works, but just not in light of what has actually happened. Record the conversation when the dollar was at 94 cents a few months back, now hear the same thing at 1.04, roll forward and hear what the same thing again at 1.20..........Let me tell you what they will say in the future LOL

Surely if you were telling the truth at .94 cents you owe everyone the 10% it has changed since then????? like 3 months ago. Fact the car is priced for a 70 cent dollar.....everytime it goes up since then it is PROFIT...otherwise how the hell did they sell a car at 70, then 80, or even stay in business at 90?? hello we are talking nearly 1.05 now

Canadian cars were the same 3 years ago and now they are soo much different from the Americans versions? The only thing that is different is the profit margin. Cars have not been changed to be soo different in the last 3 years. &^&*ing Liars

[Louist]

When the dollar WAS 70 cents all the things Liar is talking about being the justification to separate pricing existed then too. This difference has always been there. ONLY the price has changed in 3 years...not DRL, not Canadian winters meaning extra items on the car...in other words the delta on the situation 3 years ago to now is the same thing car wise. Just 40% more expensive for us.

[nguyentri]

I don't think the car companies are afraid of losing business.
A lot of people are saying that they will wait until prices come down (and then buy a car from these scumbags).
Many others are saying I'm going to buy a car from the US unless the prices here go down (in which case they will buy a car in Canada).
I don't think the car companies have anything to lose unless a lot of us show that Canadians will not buy from Canadian car companies for many years to come unless they start treating us fairly.

[superwell]

Sounds interesting. I'll keep an eye out for it. Is this at 6:00pm? 11:00pm?

Thanks

Not sure but i think 6pm

[Bullseye]

The reality is that the automakers know that the vast majority of new car buyers require financing or leasing, so the pool of buyers who may actually go buy in the U.S. is comparatively small. You need to have the cash or the knowledge/ability on how to obtain financing here, to buy a car there.

With a large captive audience, they can be smug about it and afford to piss off the few who can buy in the US by banning sales or voiding warranties.

[sb_tor]

When the dollar WAS 70 cents all the things Liar is talking about being the justification to separate pricing existed then too. This difference has always been there. ONLY the price has changed in 3 years...not DRL, not Canadian winters meaning extra items on the car...in other words the delta on the situation 3 years ago to now is the same thing car wise. Just 40% more expensive for us.



well he was trying to imply that BMW doesnt care about the US dollar, only the euro. We have gained against euro, but not that much. So according to him, nothing much has changed in the last 3 years. I'm not sure how many BMWs are brought directly from Europe compared to those from USA/Mexico. For Most Toyota/Honda/Nissan/GM/Chrysler/Ford they dont even have the Euro excuse.

[sb_tor]

The reality is that the automakers know that the vast majority of new car buyers require financing or leasing, so the pool of buyers who may actually go buy in the U.S. is comparatively small. You need to have the cash or the knowledge/ability on how to obtain financing here, to buy a car there.

With a large captive audience, they can be smug about it and afford to piss off the few who can buy in the US by banning sales or voiding warranties.

Quite right. Friend of mine wanted to lease a Camry/Accord, but when I showed him the huge price disparity with the US, he decided to hold off purchasing for now. Maybe if people held off buying for 6 months, something would change.

[ManchSubaruDealer]

Hi Everyone,
It's Xan Peterson with Manchester Subaru here in New Hampshire again. I have been over whelmed by the amount of response I've gotten from all of you guys! Thanks so much for the referrals and responses. I am familiar with the process necessary to export a vehicle to Canada and provide you with EVERYTHING you need to cross the border. My pricing is the best around, PM me for a list of happy customers from RFD. Once again, I don't play games and provide you with rock bottom pricing. You can reach me toll free at 888-223-7455 or you can email me at manchester@subarumail.com just make sure you ask for me so I can take care of you. If you have any questions, just PM me. Thanks, Xan Peterson.

[shoprbccom]

If Zach and Karl want to email me some banner ads that i can put on my site, i'd be more than happy to promote you guys.

I am just really busy and lurking in the shadows... Got kind of sick of answering the same questions on here over and over and over again cause people don't search ;) So want to invest that time on my website again...
/shameless plug/ http://www.carburner.com ... But I have not heard anything from SOA or SCI. I think we will hit 13 cars this month to Canada total.

-Zach

[smpmush]

That more of a BMW commercial than an interview... there you have it folks BMW along with the other car companies have your best interests at heart... A few lost sales will not deter them from making sure you get the best value you deserve in Canada.. Spoken like a true salesman, indeed..

[DSTU]

Hmmm - this is great, you pay $500 and you are covered under BMW Warranty.

Has anyone who purchased a BMW from the US have all these procedures done?

Lindsay Duffield, BMW Canada: Thanks for your question. Yes, we do charge a reasonable fee to protect any customer bringing in a U.S. vehicle. Since we are agreeing to honour the warranties on these vehicles, it is very important that we know that they are compliant with all Canadian regulations, have any outstanding recalls completed and thus are completely warrantable in Canada. There are a great number of flood, hurricane, bio-hazard and write-off vehicles in the used market, and our compliance program ensures that the car is clean, safe and warrantable. We've already had instances of vehicles imported with forged VINs (Vehicle Identification Numbers).

For $500, which includes a Carfax vehicle history and complete inspection by an authorized Canadian BMW retailer, this is very good value. RIV was accepting U.S. letters of compliance, but we don't believe that does enough to protect the buyer — it is like the seller of a house providing the home inspection report to the buyer. Hmmm!

So bottom-line, even though a customer will get better overall value and service from their Canadian BMW retailer, if they do import a vehicle from the U.S., we really want to make sure the customer is getting the vehicle they thought they were getting and that it is warrantable by us in Canada.

All the best.

[flaming homer]

I crossed yesterday, and there was a HUGE line-up at 3:00 PM. Apperantly the commercial exporters also have to get their stamp there, the US Custom Officer in the office was kinda freaking out, keep asking fellow officers to send more staff and take pictures of the parking lot (EAST of the building) as it was FULL of cars being imported. She wanted to cut off the line as soon as the line reached the stair-well doors.

So the warning is: Get to the office early, they may "close" before 4:00 PM

What's the best price for a one way flight to Rochester from Toronto? I'm looking at buying soon and trying to find the cheapest way to get down there. A quick search on the net resulted in flights being at least $300 or more plus taxes.
For Van Bortel I believe you have a few choices:

1. Rent a car one-way to Rochester Airport and have them come pick you up. Alamo will rent out of Pearson, I just did it and paid CAD$ 193 for a full-size.

2. Take the bus to Niagara Falls, walk to the closest bridge (Whirlpool) or taxi to Peace bridge and walk across, have Karl meet you on the other side (with Coffee...)

[diigii]

YUP! That's why I said my piece to these liars (car manufacturers/dealers), although not as loud as I wanted to shout at them. I've bought my car in the US. These dealers won't see me in their showrooms for the next 10 years!

I don't think the car companies are afraid of losing business.
A lot of people are saying that they will wait until prices come down (and then buy a car from these scumbags).
Many others are saying I'm going to buy a car from the US unless the prices here go down (in which case they will buy a car in Canada).
I don't think the car companies have anything to lose unless a lot of us show that Canadians will not buy from Canadian car companies for many years to come unless they start treating us fairly.

[Bullseye]

2. Take the bus to Niagara Falls, walk to the closest bridge (Whirlpool) or taxi to Peace bridge and walk across, have Karl meet you on the other side (with Coffee...)

Pretty sure Whirpool bridge is closed down now. Looked permanent last time I went by.

I'm amazed Karl would drive 1.5 hrs each way to pick someone up, though!

[flaming homer]

Pretty sure Whirpool bridge is closed down now. Looked permanent last time I went by.

I'm amazed Karl would drive 1.5 hrs each way to pick someone up, though!Check http://apps.cbp.gov/bwt/ - shows Whirlpool current status. However, it is not a 24x7 crossing.

Karl offered to pick me up at the bridge. Problem with Rochester is that you can't bus there and drive back to the bridge by 4:00 PM, the added time for US customs to check a bus-load of people is just too long.

[Trexim]

Hi Everyone,
It's Xan Peterson with Manchester Subaru here in New Hampshire again. I have been over whelmed by the amount of response I've gotten from all of you guys! Thanks so much for the referrals and responses. I am familiar with the process necessary to export a vehicle to Canada and provide you with EVERYTHING you need to cross the border. My pricing is the best around, PM me for a list of happy customers from RFD. Once again, I don't play games and provide you with rock bottom pricing. You can reach me toll free at 888-223-7455 or you can email me at manchester@subarumail.com just make sure you ask for me so I can take care of you. If you have any questions, just PM me. Thanks, Xan Peterson.

Welcome to RFD !!!! I sure am glad to have all Canadian friendly US Subaru dealers around.

Cheers,

[Trexim]

1. Rent a car one-way to Rochester Airport and have them come pick you up. Alamo will rent out of Pearson, I just did it and paid CAD$ 193 for a full-size.



For those renting a car from Ottawa: I checked Alamo and dropping the car off at Rochester airport is about $50 cheaper than dropping it off at Syracus airport. You'll have to drive an extra hour, but it's > 30 minutes closer to Van Bortel.

Now, if I can only find a working coupon code for Alamo, tried the ones I found by googling and none worked so far :(

[ian46]

http://www.wheels.ca/article/32462[/QUOTE]

Now I refer to my dictionary where Unduly is defined
as "Improper or unjust".

In part, this is what the Class Action Lawsuit(s) are
dealing with !

DO the actions described in the article above, TAKEN TOGETHER,
constitute unduly limiting trade across the border ?

The above is of course only my personal opinion.As always, my personal opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of any group,
company, etc. You should do your own research first before coming
to your own opinions and conclusions.

[HighFlyer]

Check http://apps.cbp.gov/bwt/ - shows Whirlpool current status. However, it is not a 24x7 crossing.

The Whirlpool bridge requires a NEXUS card for everyone in the car.

[LoveRFD]

I think Karl should teach Canadian car dealers what customer service is.:D

[toolman]

What's the best price for a one way flight to Rochester from Toronto? I'm looking at buying soon and trying to find the cheapest way to get down there. A quick search on the net resulted in flights being at least $300 or more plus taxes.

Try

http://www.greyhound.ca/en/

It is a lot cheaper and almost as fast getting there...

[shopper-X]

I think Karl should teach Canadian car dealers what customer service is.:D

That's so true. In Regina most of the dealerships are owned the Dalawri group. I walked in to Nissan, Honda and Toyota (owned by Taylor group) the attitude was "the price is online", "we don't haggle, we don't have to", "fine buy it in the US, come service time, OUR customers come first", oh and my favorite "The price is on the window, that's the best price in Canada, come see in my office when your done looking at the price". The last one I just walked out and never looked back.

[utopiadiablo]

Hmmm - this is great, you pay $500 and you are covered under BMW Warranty.

Has anyone who purchased a BMW from the US have all these procedures done?

Lindsay Duffield, BMW Canada: Thanks for your question. Yes, we do charge a reasonable fee to protect any customer bringing in a U.S. vehicle. Since we are agreeing to honour the warranties on these vehicles, it is very important that we know that they are compliant with all Canadian regulations, have any outstanding recalls completed and thus are completely warrantable in Canada. There are a great number of flood, hurricane, bio-hazard and write-off vehicles in the used market, and our compliance program ensures that the car is clean, safe and warrantable. We've already had instances of vehicles imported with forged VINs (Vehicle Identification Numbers).

For $500, which includes a Carfax vehicle history and complete inspection by an authorized Canadian BMW retailer, this is very good value. RIV was accepting U.S. letters of compliance, but we don't believe that does enough to protect the buyer — it is like the seller of a house providing the home inspection report to the buyer. Hmmm!

So bottom-line, even though a customer will get better overall value and service from their Canadian BMW retailer, if they do import a vehicle from the U.S., we really want to make sure the customer is getting the vehicle they thought they were getting and that it is warrantable by us in Canada.

All the best.

This us just a bunch of Bull Crap from BMW Canada. All BMWs sold in US and Canada are already covered under BMW North America Warranty. BMW Canada is only trying to get an extra $500 off the Canadians for the lost revenue. BMW US is refusing to give Canadian the U.S. letters of compliance even RIV is willing to accept. BMW US makes Canadian to contact BMW Canada in order to get the same Letter. Don't trust what BMW Canada tells you.

Read this from Ebay Motors and you will know what I mean.

http://forums.ebay.ca/thread.jspa?threadID=500022243

BTW, Thx Monsieurmaggot and everyone, all the info are very useful. I've been on the sideline for a few months now just to see how BMW is going to act. I hope I can get a hand on a US BMW 335I Convertible soon.

[dotcalamitie]

There is SOMETHING we can ALL do!!! Tell your friends. Tell your family. Tell EVERYONE you know. Start selling your cars here and repeat the process while putting a few thousand in your jeans. Let's go people. I'm putting my 2008 Tribeca up for sale and going to get another one or something else. Make sure you point out to people the difference. And let's thank Lindsay by importing more BMW's and show him why he should be lowering his prices. Tell BMW owners to buy their next one in the USA.

[shoprbccom]

Im looking at a 335i as well. Almost makes me not want to buy a BMW. Honestly, if a nice car comes out from another manuf who doesn't treat Canadians like idiots, BMW can eat it. It so p*sses me off that these guys have suck a cocky attittue about this situation.

This us just a bunch of Bull Crap from BMW Canada. All BMWs sold in US and Canada are already covered under BMW North America Warranty. BMW Canada is only trying to get an extra $500 of the customers. BMW US is refusing to give Canadian the U.S. letters of compliance even RIV is willing to accept. BMW US makes Canadian to contact BMW Canada in order to get the same Letter. Don't trust what BMW Canada tells you.

Read this from Ebay Motors and you will know what I mean.

http://forums.ebay.ca/thread.jspa?threadID=500022243

BTW, this BS finally got me to post here. All the info are very useful. I've been on the sideline for a few months now just to see how BMW is going to act. I hope I can get a hand on a US BMW 335I Convertible soon.

[flaming homer]

Try

http://www.greyhound.ca/en/

It is a lot cheaper and almost as fast getting there...To Rochester ? Try to make it to the US Border by 4:00 PM....

[dotcalamitie]

We also need to start lobbying our government and the US government to change import rules to make the process easier. We need to get the double duty double tax situation fixed.

[shoprbccom]

Speaking of things we can all do to voice our opinions...

who would be interested in getting a group together to call ONE manufacturer (ie. BMW Canada) and set a time to call at once and demanding to speak to an executive about this situation.

Might be fun to get 20-30 people to call and get them annoyed with our inquiries.. see what kind of responses we get.

[bkushner]

This is all great except I can't buy an American vehicle until I sell my Murano and the phone isn't ringing off the wall. For those asking, it is a 2003 AWD SL 63000 km's, excellant condition.Silver

[doc_r]

This is all great except I can't buy an American vehicle until I sell my Murano and the phone isn't ringing off the wall.

What are the details on your Murano?

[Mike_C]

SARNIA, Ont. - The Canadian Tire store in the border city of Sarnia, Ont., says it will match prices with U.S. retailers, effective immediately.

http://finance.sympatico.msn.ca/investing/news/businessnews/article.aspx?cp-documentid=5634311

Lets' hope we have more Canadian CEO/CFO think like this CT owner Peter Ansley

[toolman]

To Rochester ? Try to make it to the US Border by 4:00 PM....

Leave 08:15am Arrive12:55pm Travel time 4h, 40m
Bus fare $ 48.85
Do some shopping
Stay over night at a motel $ 60.00
Be at the border in the morning before the lineup starts..

[Shaun091382]

I'm just wondering, I had my seller (private sale) obtain a recall letter from Nissan North America Inc. and it has all the pertinent information such as logo, Vin#, Case#, statement of recall work has been done and name of person who typed the letter and their position.....couple of questions.

1. The letter doesnt have a signature on it, it is all typed with the person's name and position typed in (who created the letter)

2. The letter has been addressed to my seller since I asked him to obtain one with help through his dealer. Does it matter if his name is on the recall letter? or does mine have to be a must?

Just wondering from those who have dealt with a recall letter before. I have a picture of my recall letter is someone may be willing to look at it to see if it is flawed in any way.

Thanks,

Shaun

[flaming homer]

RIV just shot down my dealer generated letter of recall clearance, they want a "print-out" - this is different than my first time around. Calling Subaru of America...

[yyz2hkg]

As long as the VIN # matches the vehicle, you should be fine. It should also have the co. letterhead.

I'm just wondering, I had my seller (private sale) obtain a recall letter from Nissan North America Inc. and it has all the pertinent information such as logo, Vin#, Case#, statement of recall work has been done and name of person who typed the letter and their position.....couple of questions.

1. The letter doesnt have a signature on it, it is all typed with the person's name and position typed in (who created the letter)

2. The letter has been addressed to my seller since I asked him to obtain one with help through his dealer. Does it matter if his name is on the recall letter? or does mine have to be a must?

Just wondering from those who have dealt with a recall letter before. I have a picture of my recall letter is someone may be willing to look at it to see if it is flawed in any way.

Thanks,

Shaun

[brendonp]

His answers are standard...we charge you more because we have record sales...translation...we can.

.....

Canadian cars were the same 3 years ago and now they are soo much different from the Americans versions? The only thing that is different is the profit margin. Cars have not been changed to be soo different in the last 3 years. &^&*ing Liars

I'm a little surprised anyone could possibly be raving about the prices of BMWs... this is free market economy at work! The cars are still apparently still moving off of the lots - if you want a better deal head to the US (hey, I did!). This is a pretty simple concept, and rather hypocritical to criticize - since this is the same process (the ability to choose where to buy) which is currently lowering the price on many Canadian vehicles, electronics, etc, etc.

My only complaint with BMW is their $500 charge for providing compliance papers - true it's a small portion of the value of the vehicle, but appears to be a method to artificially inflate the price of a US vehicle - which isn't really quite in the spirit of a free market.

Furthermore, servicing my new US vehicle at the local dealership is no different an experience then servicing my Canadian vehicle - they were even fully versed with the changes required for canadian certification (ie DRLs) and didn't push changing the LCDs to metric since it wasn't required (for $40 I did it anyway) - I'd say BMW is actually doing a good job - at least in comparison to many other brands (obviously YMMV with specific dealerships!) ...

Brendon

[spottedmoose]

below is a copy of a letter sent to RIV and the ministers of finance and transport..i urge you to send a letter to them to express your own frustration with the process.

"as you know Toyota/Lexus have apparently not sent to transport Canada info to determine whether or not the 2008 are admissible to Canada.
Lexus,since 1991,has only had 1 model in 1 year(2000 sc300/400) inadmissible and Toyota hasn't had one since 2000..they are all obviously admissible, as they are being sold at dealerships now in Canada.

my question is "why hasn't Transport Canada (or the appropriate authority who grants admissibility of cars) simply used the info provided by the auto maker so they could import their own 2008 cars to their canadian dealers..

this admissibility criteria approval process is being hung up simply because a car company won't fill out some form and the thousands of us who wish to buy in the US cannot because of this beaueaucratic inability to be slightly creative..the way you are looking at the situation,toyota/lexus may never provide the information and no one would then be able to import a 2008 car.

i guess i have to ask "whose best interests are you and the government looking after.?" they do not appear to be the Canadian citizen rights,but those of a Japanese located company whose profits are inflated because we in canada are forced to pay such high prices for the cars..i don't expect the prices to exactly equal as i do respect the claims that it costs more to do business in canada, but the prices are too far apart to believe that claim.

Mr. Flaherty,i realize that you are facing problems with the high $cad. as it pertains to Canadian industry and the loss of jobs ,but there is a way to increase the living standard of every Canadian voter to offset the loss of jobs,and that is to do everything possible to allow Canadians to benefit from the higher dollar..we don't get this chance very often and by doing what is necessary to get wholesalers and retailers to pass on the benefits of the higher dollar,we have a good chance at improving our standard of living..this was cogently pointed out in the Globe and mail editorial about 10 days ago."

email to mr flaherty---jflaherty@fin.gc.ca
email to mr cannon---mintc@tc.gc.ca

let's get the fingers flying on the keyboard !!!

[wally_walrus]

I don't think the car companies are afraid of losing business.
A lot of people are saying that they will wait until prices come down (and then buy a car from these scumbags).
Many others are saying I'm going to buy a car from the US unless the prices here go down (in which case they will buy a car in Canada).
I don't think the car companies have anything to lose unless a lot of us show that Canadians will not buy from Canadian car companies for many years to come unless they start treating us fairly.


I couldn't agree more! The ONLY way to lower the prices is if EVERYBODY holds off as much as possible, and buys a car if ABSOLUTELY needed and in that case either buy used or buy in the US. Though I am afraid most people will be eventually enticed by rebates and will give up (we all know how marketing works - people think will never get that deal again)

[jadeboy]

below is a copy of a letter sent to RIV and the ministers of finance and transport..i urge you to send a letter to them to express your own frustration with the process.

"as you know Toyota/Lexus have apparently not sent to transport Canada info to determine whether or not the 2008 are admissible to Canada.
Lexus,since 1991,has only had 1 model in 1 year(2000 sc300/400) inadmissible and Toyota hasn't had one since 2000..they are all obviously admissible, as they are being sold at dealerships now in Canada.

my question is "why hasn't Transport Canada (or the appropriate authority who grants admissibility of cars) simply used the info provided by the auto maker so they could import their own 2008 cars to their canadian dealers..

this admissibility criteria approval process is being hung up simply because a car company won't fill out some form and the thousands of us who wish to buy in the US cannot because of this beaueaucratic inability to be slightly creative..the way you are looking at the situation,toyota/lexus may never provide the information and no one would then be able to import a 2008 car.

i guess i have to ask "whose best interests are you and the government looking after.?" they do not appear to be the Canadian citizen rights,but those of a Japanese located company whose profits are inflated because we in canada are forced to pay such high prices for the cars..i don't expect the prices to exactly equal as i do respect the claims that it costs more to do business in canada, but the prices are too far apart to believe that claim.

Mr. Flaherty,i realize that you are facing problems with the high $cad. as it pertains to Canadian industry and the loss of jobs ,but there is a way to increase the living standard of every Canadian voter to offset the loss of jobs,and that is to do everything possible to allow Canadians to benefit from the higher dollar..we don't get this chance very often and by doing what is necessary to get wholesalers and retailers to pass on the benefits of the higher dollar,we have a good chance at improving our standard of living..this was cogently pointed out in the Globe and mail editorial about 10 days ago."

email to mr flaherty---jflaherty@fin.gc.ca
email to mr cannon---mintc@tc.gc.ca

let's get the fingers flying on the keyboard !!!

I am all with you and in the same situation (I want a Lexus IS 350). But the paper work to Transport Canada is "VOLUNTARY". If Lexus/Toyota/Honda/Acura/Volvo don't submit the papers... we are SOL for 2008 models.

[crasher]

We also need to start lobbying our government and the US government to change import rules to make the process easier. We need to get the double duty double tax situation fixed.

There is no double duty/tax. 6.1% duty is for all cars mfd, outside NAFTA, and only charged once. There is no tax in US, you pay both taxes, even if you buy in Canada. And process is simple enough. RIV is extremly efficient. Only improvement I can think of is 72hrs, wait, but thats on US side, Canadian customs are open 24/7 to process any import.

[LoDown]

Here are some pictures of the Champlain Border Crossing. The 1st shows the turnoff to 237 West Service Road (US Export office), if your coming back from the east side of Lake Champlain.

http://i22.tinypic.com/2yoal2a.jpg

The 2nd shows how to get there if your driving up highway 87.

http://i21.tinypic.com/6prkgk.jpg

The 3rd shows the general area of where 237 West Service Road should be. Can anyone pinpoint (put an x) on the actual building?

http://i22.tinypic.com/112ebus.jpg

If driving up highway 15, there is no need to go thru US Customs, stay right.

I've searched the thread and noted conflicting info. Please correct if you are "positive" about your correction.

Customs Export office hours: Mon-Fri, 6:00am to 10:00 pm - open for car exporting.

Documents: They need the original CoA and 2 copies back and front - 3 days prior to actual export.

How to deliver documents: Hand deliver and Courier (FEDEX, etc) - someone who has successfully courriered, please confirm.

Hope this helps the next 10,000 exports go smooooth - and drive the unfair car companies into submission:cheesygri

[longdong]

Just to confirm that I can send my title throught this port of entry right ?

Looks like I only need to fax my title , no need to send the original, is it right ?

Can anyone confirm ?


Port Of Entry-Highgate Springs
Port Information
Port Code: 0212
Location Address: Interstate 89 at the Border
Highgate Springs, VT 05460

Long dong

[scotchgolf]

Any advice re pricing appreciated. I see in Canada the 5 passenger limited is 33k list. The quoted price in Rochester is @31k . is there much roomto move on that price?
Thanks in advance

[LoDown]

All Champlain area crossings want an Original title. Not sure if highway 89 port does Exports - check their website.

Just to confirm that I can send my title throught this port of entry right ?

Looks like I only need to fax my title , no need to send the original, is it right ?

Can anyone confirm ?


Port Of Entry-Highgate Springs
Port Information
Port Code: 0212
Location Address: Interstate 89 at the Border
Highgate Springs, VT 05460

Long dong

[LoDown]

If you see it at that price in Canada - its a typo or it comes from the US. Cdn MSRP starts at 45k

Any advice re pricing appreciated. I see in Canada the 5 passenger limited is 33k list. The quoted price in Rochester is @31k . is there much roomto move on that price?
Thanks in advance

[DrXenon]

Hello, this is bothering me for long time ..

The way I understand octane number is that essentially tells you what compression the gas in engine would withstand without getting self-ignited. Hence, the higher number octanes can be compressed more and produce better conversion (more energy).

However, I can see the ECU changing the ignition timing, valves and so on.. but HOW it can change the pressure its really mystery for me.. and I agree that my understanding could be completely wrong (so please correct me)

Can a knowledgeable person shed some light on this?

It's all a question of when you set off the spark - if you're running gas with a lower octane rating than necessary, if you ignite it at the condition of maximum pressure (i.e. at top dead centre) the ignition will happen very suddenly and you get a shock wave that travels through the system. This is called knock. What will happen in a modern engine is that the knock will be sensed, and subsequent spark ignitions will happen under a condition of less pressure, i.e. when the piston has travelled back down toward bottom dead centre a little ways. This reduces the power extracted from the cycle, but will avoid the engine-damaging detonation.

It's only in pathological conditions that you find that a spark ignition engine charge will ignite under compression alone (although there is a new class of engines being developed in Germany that use both techniques in the same engine), for that to happen you need a compression ratio of 20:1. (Common compression ratios in gasoline engines are 10:1 or less.)

[shoprbccom]

anyone with any comments for me in regards to importcarcanada.com ?

[asalvari]

It's all a question of when you set off the spark - if you're running gas with a lower octane rating than necessary, if you ignite it at the condition of maximum pressure (i.e. at top dead centre) the ignition will happen very suddenly and you get a shock wave that travels through the system. This is called knock. What will happen in a modern engine is that the knock will be sensed, and subsequent spark ignitions will happen under a condition of less pressure, i.e. when the piston has travelled back down toward bottom dead centre a little ways. This reduces the power extracted from the cycle, but will avoid the engine-damaging detonation.

It's only in pathological conditions that you find that a spark ignition engine charge will ignite under compression alone (although there is a new class of engines being developed in Germany that use both techniques in the same engine), for that to happen you need a compression ratio of 20:1. (Common compression ratios in gasoline engines are 10:1 or less.)

thanks ! this really make sense now!

[jrvic]

I am all with you and in the same situation (I want a Lexus IS 350). But the paper work to Transport Canada is "VOLUNTARY". If Lexus/Toyota/Honda/Acura/Volvo don't submit the papers... we are SOL for 2008 models.

Give your GTA Lexus dealer a try this weekend. My sales person called today and offered an incredible lease deal on a fully loaded 2008 IS350.

[eastsidesubaru]

If Zach and Karl want to email me some banner ads that i can put on my site, i'd be more than happy to promote you guys.

Not really very good in photoshop :)

[jadeboy]

Give your GTA Lexus dealer a try this weekend. My sales person called today and offered an incredible lease deal on a fully loaded 2008 IS350.

Unfortunately, I am from Calgary.. and I planned to fully paid for the Lexus and don't need lease.. but the price different is way too much for a Canadian Lexus dealership to match. I can probably get the Lexus for 38000-39000 price.. (almost fully loaded) which would cost about 60000+ here.

[shoprbccom]

Not really very good in photoshop :)

Zach,

Post your info here:

http://www.importcarcanada.com/main/index.php?board=5.0

Might as well get a plug for your hard work and helping hand to us Canucks!

[moguy]

Give your GTA Lexus dealer a try this weekend. My sales person called today and offered an incredible lease deal on a fully loaded 2008 IS350.

Care to share the details?

I'm planning on buying either a BMW or Lexus in the US.

I might be swayed back with a great deal. (but it's hard to imagine they'll come anyware close to the US numbers)

[dotcalamitie]

My niece and husband just moved to work and live in NYC. Would there be a way for them to purchase cars and bring them back here on a weekend and sell them to me or someone else? How many cars a year could they do this with?

[tor_forsale]

bmw x5 price in USD 45000
bmw x5 price in CAN 62000

no wayyyyyyyy its gonna be near to US prices.

go south, go sooth ,

Care to share the details?

I'm planning on buying either a BMW or Lexus in the US.

I might be swayed back with a great deal. (but it's hard to imagine they'll come anyware close to the US numbers)

[ziploc]

Give your GTA Lexus dealer a try this weekend. My sales person called today and offered an incredible lease deal on a fully loaded 2008 IS350.

Be carefull about that, to achieve those prices the dealers are actually increase the buy-back which might be dangerous if you don't have replacement warranty durning full lease time or you want to get rid of the car sooner....

and if your plans are to buy it at the end You finish by paying today's regular price.....

it's a false deal....and dangerous specially now...when we expect sooner or later some price drops......

[LD500]

Be carefull about that, to achieve those prices the dealers are actually increase the buy-back which might be dangerous if you don't have replacement warranty durning full lease time or you want to get rid of the car sooner....

and if your plans are to buy it at the end You finish by paying today's regular price.....

it's a false deal....and dangerous specially now...when we expect sooner or later some price drops......

If they increase the buy back price on the lease to decrease the monthly lease payments then aren't you better off? If prices drop in Canada eventually you can just walk away at the end of the lease and not accept their inflated buyback price. You could then buy at the lower prices later.

[dotcalamitie]

in the spring of 2005 I was looking at buying a Dodge Viper...they were listed at $127 CDN then. The US list price at the time translated to $102,000. The best I could negotiate was $118,000 at the time. I said, no way am I driving this car off the lot and it's already depreciated by $16,000. I fought with them to no avail. I knew buyers of the Viper weren't going to pay this huge disparity. Furthermore, Chrysler specifically excluded any Viper from cross border warranty work period. So I bought my BMW 645. A year later I saw 2005 brand new Dodge Vipers for sale from Chrysler Canada $95,000. MAY THE SAME THING HAPPEN TO BMW CANADA!!! It will. Mark my words.

AND... the Dodge Viper today is... $98,000 CDN list price. Still a good bum job as the US list price is $83,000.

[warpdryv]

If they increase the buy back price on the lease to decrease the monthly lease payments then aren't you better off? If prices drop in Canada eventually you can just walk away at the end of the lease and not accept their inflated buyback price. You could then buy at the lower prices later.

it's still not as good as lowering the price. if you need to buy out of your lease early, or if you go substantially over the km limits, you'll get screwed big time with an inflated residual. plus you're still paying interest on the inflated residual.

[nguyentri]

it's still not as good as lowering the price. if you need to buy out of your lease early, or if you go substantially over the km limits, you'll get screwed big time with an inflated residual. plus you're still paying interest on the inflated residual.

yeah. I think that's what the car dealers in Canada are going to do more often. They'll just advertise "incredible savings" and only give you the monthly lease price. I don't think they'll be advertising the price it costs to buy the car anymore.

[scrolllock]

below is a copy of a letter sent to RIV and the ministers of finance and transport..i urge you to send a letter to them to express your own frustration with the process.

"as you know Toyota/Lexus have apparently not sent to transport Canada info to determine whether or not the 2008 are admissible to Canada.
Lexus,since 1991,has only had 1 model in 1 year(2000 sc300/400) inadmissible and Toyota hasn't had one since 2000..they are all obviously admissible, as they are being sold at dealerships now in Canada.

my question is "why hasn't Transport Canada (or the appropriate authority who grants admissibility of cars) simply used the info provided by the auto maker so they could import their own 2008 cars to their canadian dealers..

this admissibility criteria approval process is being hung up simply because a car company won't fill out some form and the thousands of us who wish to buy in the US cannot because of this beaueaucratic inability to be slightly creative..the way you are looking at the situation,toyota/lexus may never provide the information and no one would then be able to import a 2008 car.

i guess i have to ask "whose best interests are you and the government looking after.?" they do not appear to be the Canadian citizen rights,but those of a Japanese located company whose profits are inflated because we in canada are forced to pay such high prices for the cars..i don't expect the prices to exactly equal as i do respect the claims that it costs more to do business in canada, but the prices are too far apart to believe that claim.

Mr. Flaherty,i realize that you are facing problems with the high $cad. as it pertains to Canadian industry and the loss of jobs ,but there is a way to increase the living standard of every Canadian voter to offset the loss of jobs,and that is to do everything possible to allow Canadians to benefit from the higher dollar..we don't get this chance very often and by doing what is necessary to get wholesalers and retailers to pass on the benefits of the higher dollar,we have a good chance at improving our standard of living..this was cogently pointed out in the Globe and mail editorial about 10 days ago."

email to mr flaherty---jflaherty@fin.gc.ca
email to mr cannon---mintc@tc.gc.ca

let's get the fingers flying on the keyboard !!!

Thanks for the letter, I am going to make it a little more generic ( Include Honda and focus on the Government process) It should also be sent to your local MP and Politicians...

We need to send it to a couple of newspapers. Thay should help spread the word. I wonder how many out there have 2008 Toyotas and Honda's sitting in their garages!

There has to be an exception process implemented by our Minister of Transport.

[reddy54]

My niece and husband just moved to work and live in NYC. Would there be a way for them to purchase cars and bring them back here on a weekend and sell them to me or someone else? How many cars a year could they do this with?

Yes there is a way and if you researched this thread you will find it in about 15 minutes

[jrvic]

Care to share the details?

I'm planning on buying either a BMW or Lexus in the US.

I might be swayed back with a great deal. (but it's hard to imagine they'll come anyware close to the US numbers)

Basically, mid six-hundred plus taxes per month plus zero dollars on delivery. This is equivalent to a lease on a normal 45K car IMO. Remember a loaded IS350 is listed at 60K.

With a walk away lease, who cares how high the buy back residual value is? you enjoy the low payment, then return the car at the end. It also make it easier to transfer the lease if you got bored with the car. It's the total costs of ownership that matters.

[jmlleung]

Well, after reading every posting in this thread as well as others, I finally bought myself a SCION. I will reveal the dealer after delivery next week...if anyone is interested.

in sum:

You need a relative living outside NY state in US.
You need insurance from US or Canada...doesn't matter.
The trick is saying that your relative will pay the state taxes when he/she registers...but of course it will never be registered in the US but in Canada. (dealer suggested this to me).

THATS IT! No NY taxes paid, just $105US for dealer fees. Will need to pay 6.1 duty and GST+PST at the border which roughly works out to 20% as they charge tax on duty.

RFD is really draining my savings:(
So when you buy the car, is it registered under your name or your relative's name? Do you have to transfer the ownership? And do you have to pay tax when you transfer ownership?

I have a relative in California that I can use the address.

[yyz2hkg]

Did anyone read today's wheel section of the Toronto Star from John LeBlanc? His whole article regarding buying from the US was more like "It's not worth it to buy in the US, keep your money in Canada." The article made it seem like there were so many "challenges" His checklist to "think" about before buying in the US made me laugh, because everything was more or less negative towards purchasing a new/used vehicle in the States. That's just my 2 cents from his article. I understand his job is to report and supposedly help the consumer, but with all the cons in his write-up, it's so discouraging from his point of view.

ARTICLE FROM THESTAR (http://www.wheels.ca/article/32462)

[HighFlyer]

I had to take my cousin's car in for servicing. While waiting, I decided to take a walk through the other dealerships. Man.... is it ever a ghost town, especially for a Saturday :cheesygri :lol:

[cavuu]

Did anyone read today's wheel section of the Toronto Star from John LeBlanc? His whole article regarding buying from the US was more like "It's not worth it to buy in the US, keep your money in Canada." The article made it seem like there were so many "challenges" His checklist to "think" about before buying in the US made me laugh, because everything was more or less negative towards purchasing a new/used vehicle in the States. That's just my 2 cents from his article. I understand his job is to report and supposedly help the consumer, but with all the cons in his write-up, it's so discouraging from his point of view.

ARTICLE FROM THESTAR (http://www.wheels.ca/article/32462)
I initially though for once we might see an unbiased article when it began with

"Wheels took the perspective of all parties involved – consumers, dealers and manufacturers – in order to debunk some of the myths surrounding cross-border car shopping."

The only perspective seemed to be quoting the auto manufacturers excuses for high prices.
All credibility was lost with the photo of a sleezy used car salesman from Las Vegas. He was using low class scare tactics to make it look like you must deal with less than reputable salesmen.

It certainly was NOT an article that "took the perspective of all parties involved"

I expected more from the Star. Silly me.

[Lost Horizon]

Speaking of things we can all do to voice our opinions...

who would be interested in getting a group together to call ONE manufacturer (ie. BMW Canada) and set a time to call at once and demanding to speak to an executive about this situation.

Might be fun to get 20-30 people to call and get them annoyed with our inquiries.. see what kind of responses we get.

The guy you want to Get hold of is Joe Lawrence, Director of Marketing:

Joe.Lawrence@bmwgroup.ca

THe guy who heads up the 3 division is

Robert.Filipovic@bmwgroup.ca


Fill your boots... :D

[yyz2hkg]

I initially though for once we might see an unbiased article when it began with

"Wheels took the perspective of all parties involved – consumers, dealers and manufacturers – in order to debunk some of the myths surrounding cross-border car shopping."

The only perspective seemed to be quoting the auto manufacturers excuses for high prices.
All credibility was lost with the photo of a sleezy used car salesman from Las Vegas. He was using low class scare tactics to make it look like you must deal with less than reputable salesmen.

It certainly was NOT an article that "took the perspective of all parties involved"

I expected more from the Star. Silly me.


Me too...I thought with all the publicity, soemone would actually publish something that's worthwhile to read and hard facts regarding importing US vehicle. I guess they didn't take in the account that there are literally dozens, if not more individuals on RFD, that had thought the process of searching and actually importing a vehicle is fairly simple. All it takes is a little bit of research. I, for one at first was pretty nervous when I imported my vehicle back on Oct 2006. But once it was said and done...it was great, easy, and i paid considerably less what I would be paying for the same car here. What a bunch of freelancing yoyo's is what I think about the article.

[bimmerfans]

it's really frustrating...have contacted more than 30 dealers, one agreed to sell me a new car. after two weeks fool-around, that sales told me they can only sell me a "new" car after it's in stock for 6 months. what a joke. byebye, bmw.

[dotcalamitie]

Automobile advertising in the Star is a huge portion of their revenue. At some point the social perspective of the Star loses out to the capitalist car dealers screwing Canadians and inevitably, the Star will be used as their medium to screw even more Canadians. Do you think the car dealers are hurting? The last time I looked, most are multi millionaires.

[bcbud]

Any advice re pricing appreciated. I see in Canada the 5 passenger limited is 33k list. The quoted price in Rochester is @31k . is there much roomto move on that price?
Thanks in advance

EBAy pricing for a new 2008 Tribeca & a dealer willing to sell to Canadians (http://cgi.ebay.ca/Subaru-Tribeca-2008-SUBARU-TRIBECA-5-PASS-CLEARANCE-PRICE-MUST-SEE_W0QQitemZ190166101335QQihZ009QQcategoryZ149423 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) buy it now price: US $27,645.00, you may get better.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I was off this thread for a few days and was completely blown away by all the traffic it generates in a few days.

I think we're at a turning point folks. Everywhere I look, Canadian dealers as all singing the same songs. They're trying to convince themselves this isn't happening.

The longer they remain quiet, the worse it will be for them.

Don't stop now. Keep spreading the word.

I'm being stopped at work a couple of times per week now from people asking me for information on importing cars from the US.

I continue to get tons of emails from people telling me that thanks to Subaru's stance on selling to Canadians, they are either seriously looking or buying them now. That's great. Others are so disgusted with the Canadian dealers they're looking for demonstrators or lease returns in the US.

Haven't seen hate mail in quite a while.

I guess those people realize that the rest of us would chew them up alive.

[tuzzi]

I had an interesting call the other day from a Washington State Infiniti dealer. I have recently been down in Washington looking for a FX35, or a clean second hand G35 Coupe.

While this Infiniti dealer seems to be more than willing to sell to Canadians, they have started charging Canadians a $1,000.00 fee to sell them a car. They are claiming increased paper work costs.

Seems like a bit of a cash grab :(

[reddy54]

Any advice re pricing appreciated. I see in Canada the 5 passenger limited is 33k list. The quoted price in Rochester is @31k . is there much roomto move on that price?
Thanks in advance

Who is listing it for 33K in Cda? It starts at 42K on Subaru.ca website

[maurice t]

I can't find it on here, I'm sure it's posted, But is Mazda's warranty transferable on new cars?

[shopper-X]

I had an interesting call the other day from a Washington State Infiniti dealer. I have recently been down in Washington looking for a FX35, or a clean second hand G35 Coupe.

While this Infiniti dealer seems to be more than willing to sell to Canadians, they have started charging Canadians a $1,000.00 fee to sell them a car. They are claiming increased paper work costs.

Seems like a bit of a cash grab :(

Zach form Eastside Subaru has mentioned before that the only two Infiniti dealers in WA state are owned by the same guy and they hardly give you a deal.

If they are charging $1,000 because you are Canadian, look further south and for the most part you are doing most or all of the paper work. The only thing they have to do is put the tax rate to 0% and FedEx you the papers if you don't travel down there. I used A&A Customs Brokerage for the "paper work" and they hosed me for $372.xx not $1,000.

[GoKartRacer]

Thanks for the letter, I am going to make it a little more generic ( Include Honda and focus on the Government process) It should also be sent to your local MP and Politicians...

We need to send it to a couple of newspapers. Thay should help spread the word. I wonder how many out there have 2008 Toyotas and Honda's sitting in their garages!

There has to be an exception process implemented by our Minister of Transport.

Ok well I have read that people have been able to import 2008 toyotas into Canada. How is that possible if the 2008 models are not on the list. Im sure the riv must be making exceptions. On the RIV site it says:

"Where there is no information concerning a current model year (2008) US specification vehicle you must contact the manufacturer to determine its admissibility or inadmissibility"

I dont know what the eff that means. Either way my family purchased a 2008 Lexus ES350, we are going down to bring it over next weekend. I am kinda crapping my pants right now. I hope we dont have to park it in the garage...dammit..

Also Lexus has been slow at giving us the recall clearance letter, I hope Canada Customs doesnt require it and ONLY the RIV requires it.

Scared...

[LoveRFD]

Who is listing it for 33K in Cda? It starts at 42K on Subaru.ca website

www.multiline.ca?

[cinqhoda]

I can't find it on here, I'm sure it's posted, But is Mazda's warranty transferable on new cars?

No. See www.apa.ca

[shopper-X]

I can't find it on here, I'm sure it's posted, But is Mazda's warranty transferable on new cars?

See my very old post #3064 (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5362654)

The online agent said there are no restrictions on the Mazda warranty however www.apa.ca says it's not valid.
I would do an online chat and get it emailed as proof as I did.

[jmlleung]

My friend is very interested in getting a brand new car in US. He said he is flexible and can get either one of the following:

- 2008 Audi A6 Quatto 3.2 AWD
- 2008 BMW 528 AWD
- 2008 Volvo S80 3.2 AWD

Does anyone know if any of the dealers will sell brand new to Canadians?

What if I can get a California address from another friend? Will that make a difference? Will the BMW dealer be willing to selling to us? Will I have to pay the California or NY tax (assuming I am buying from Buffalo)?

[blkm3]

^^ good luck with BMW . I know for sure you won't be able to purchase a brand new BMW from a BMW dealer if you do not have a residence. Also If you do manage to purchase the bmw through a friend you will lose the 4 yr free maintenance but warranty will be valid in canada.
hope this helps

[longdong]

See my very old post #3064 (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5362654)

The online agent said there are no restrictions on the Mazda warranty however www.apa.ca says it's not valid.
I would do an online chat and get it emailed as proof as I did.

No it's not a proof , call Mazda America and they will tell you the true.

[shopper-X]

No it's not a proof , call Mazda America and they will tell you the true.

Has Mazda changed their stance on this?

[jmlleung]

^^ good luck with BMW . I know for sure you won't be able to purchase a brand new BMW from a BMW dealer if you do not have a residence. Also If you do manage to purchase the bmw through a friend you will lose the 4 yr free maintenance but warranty will be valid in canada.
hope this helps
I have another friend who lives in California. If I can use the California address, will the BMW dealer be willing to selling to us? Will I have to pay the California or NY tax (assuming I am buying from Buffalo)?

[diigii]

Also Lexus has been slow at giving us the recall clearance letter, I hope Canada Customs doesnt require it and ONLY the RIV requires it.

Scared...

No, you don't need to show Canada Customs the recall clearance letter. You only show that when you go to RIV to pay the import clearance fee.

[shoprbccom]

I can't find it on here, I'm sure it's posted, But is Mazda's warranty transferable on new cars?

See here:
http://www.importcarcanada.com/main/index.php?topic=8.0

[alex_sauvage126]

No. See www.apa.ca

In the same time a few guys on Mazda RX-8 forum said that they were able to perform warranty work in Canada on the cars bought in US. In any case warranty should be valid in US dealership.

[jadeboy]

Ok well I have read that people have been able to import 2008 toyotas into Canada. How is that possible if the 2008 models are not on the list. Im sure the riv must be making exceptions. On the RIV site it says:

"Where there is no information concerning a current model year (2008) US specification vehicle you must contact the manufacturer to determine its admissibility or inadmissibility"

I dont know what the eff that means. Either way my family purchased a 2008 Lexus ES350, we are going down to bring it over next weekend. I am kinda crapping my pants right now. I hope we dont have to park it in the garage...dammit..

Also Lexus has been slow at giving us the recall clearance letter, I hope Canada Customs doesnt require it and ONLY the RIV requires it.

Scared...

Those 2008 Lexus were SUV/Van which are the exceptions. But if you have a passenger vehicle like the Lexus ES 350, you are not allow to import it. Some people have successfully imported a 2008 vehicles that not on the list.. But I doubt you can get them registered successful with riv.ca (some correct me if I am wrong).


But both riv.ca and Transport Canada told me they will not let vehicles not on the riv.ca list into the country at the border.

There are inconsistencies, but the best thing to do is phone transport canada and riv.ca, please give us updated.

[Mike_C]

I will be bringing my new Tribeca across the border within the next 10 days, just wondering for those who has done it already. What kind of payment method the Canada custom accept for the GST and PST...?

[perfchris]

I will be bringing my new Tribeca across the border within the next 10 days, just wondering for those who has done it already. What kind of payment method the Canada custom accept for the GST and PST...?

Search is your friend !

[tico 1948]

Hey Folks, Just arrived home form N.H. with my '08 Tribeca 5 Pass Ltd.:D U.S customs was less than 5 min. They just handed me the paperwork and checked the VIN on the vehicle and said "On Your Way".:) Canadian Customs was about 15 min. No sweat at all! Paid my RIV and Air Cond. Fee, along with GST so now it's off to Crappy for the rest. I'm a happy guy.:D : Will have to crunch all the numbers when the dust settles but its looking awfully good. Will post a photo later.That vehicle is a blast to drive. Handles very well. Almost like a CX-7 IMO.Yes, it's true, I'm a closet CX-7 admirer.:rolleyes: We have a Mazda 3 GT, it's fun too!:) I never saw so many Subarus in one place before as at Manchester Subaru. They have just about everything imaginable there!!! It's obvious that Subaru is a popular make with New Englanders. Saw as many of them on the road as Toyotas.:cool: Went to North Conway N.H. to the Factory Outlet Shops. Scored lots of Brownie Points with Mrs. and Mom-in-Law on that part of the trip. God Bless Free Trade! Thanks Monsieur M. & all the other RFDer's who have posted all the "Right Stuff" on this Forum.What they have said is 100% Kosher!!!!

[Raikkonen]

Congrats TICO!!!!
Enjoy!
;)
Hey Folks, Just arrived home form N.H. with my '08 Tribeca 5 Pass Ltd.:D U.S customs was less than 5 min. They just handed me the paperwork and checked the VIN on the vehicle and said "On Your Way".:) Canadian Customs was about 15 min. No sweat at all! Paid my RIV and Air Cond. Fee, along with GST so now it's off to Crappy for the rest. I'm a happy guy.:D : Will have to crunch all the numbers when the dust settles but its looking awfully good. Will post a photo later.That vehicle is a blast to drive. Handles very well. Almost like a CX-7 IMO.Yes, it's true, I'm a closet CX-7 admirer.:rolleyes: We have a Mazda 3 GT, it's fun too!:) I never saw so many Subarus in one place before as at Manchester Subaru. They have just about everything imaginable there!!! It's obvious that Subaru is a popular make with New Englanders. Saw as many of them on the road as Toyotas.:cool: Went to North Conway N.H. to the Factory Outlet Shops. Scored lots of Brownie Points with Mrs. and Mom-in-Law on that part of the trip. God Bless Free Trade! Thanks Monsieur M. & all the other RFDer's who have posted all the "Right Stuff" on this Forum.What they have said is 100% Kosher!!!!

[GoKartRacer]

Those 2008 Lexus were SUV/Van which are the exceptions. But if you have a passenger vehicle like the Lexus ES 350, you are not allow to import it. Some people have successfully imported a 2008 vehicles that not on the list.. But I doubt you can get them registered successful with riv.ca (some correct me if I am wrong).


But both riv.ca and Transport Canada told me they will not let vehicles not on the riv.ca list into the country at the border.

There are inconsistencies, but the best thing to do is phone transport canada and riv.ca, please give us updated.

Hmm..this is scary. Anyway maybe it will be overlooked? lets hope so...keep your fingers crossed...but seriosuly this is scary, i am very worried..

[jadeboy]

Hmm..this is scary. Anyway maybe it will be overlooked? lets hope so...keep your fingers crossed...but seriosuly this is scary, i am very worried..

For those who has successfully imported a car, did Custom Canada look to see if your car was on the riv.ca/transport canada list?

[mpbuck]

Anyone have any experience bringing a lift-equipped mini-van across the border?

[evilution]

I have another friend who lives in California. If I can use the California address, will the BMW dealer be willing to selling to us? Will I have to pay the California or NY tax (assuming I am buying from Buffalo)?

you will have to pay both..
you pay the NY tax when you buy in buffalo.. pay the registration to get it registered to your cali friend.. (you need an american driver's liscence / address for the buyer)..
then your cali friend can sell it to your canadian friend as a used vehicle..
importing it, you need to pay gst and duties (since bmw made in germany)..

some cars it is still worth it, but it is a lot of paperwork..

[Dreyfus]

I initially though for once we might see an unbiased article when it began with

"Wheels took the perspective of all parties involved – consumers, dealers and manufacturers – in order to debunk some of the myths surrounding cross-border car shopping."

The only perspective seemed to be quoting the auto manufacturers excuses for high prices.
All credibility was lost with the photo of a sleezy used car salesman from Las Vegas. He was using low class scare tactics to make it look like you must deal with less than reputable salesmen.

It certainly was NOT an article that "took the perspective of all parties involved"

I expected more from the Star. Silly me.


The reality for newspapers is rather depressing. Their sales are decreasing all over N.A.. Auto sections are profit centres largely dependent on dealer advertising. How do you answer irate dealers spending over $10,000 a month on your publication after you print the unvarnished facts that could lead them to bankruptcy. It is not realistic to expect straight shooting, fair dealing out of publications scrambling to make a meagre profit. This would have been a problem more than 10 years ago. Today the word spreads like wildfire on the WWW and there is no way the facts can be hidden. I wake up in the morning and feel grateful that I am not a car dealer and have no exposure to the 30% hit that the banks and auto finance companies will take on "Residual Value" on walk away leases.
Keep on comparison shopping, price capitulation is only months away.

[scouzi]

Just to confirm that I can send my title throught this port of entry right ?

Looks like I only need to fax my title , no need to send the original, is it right ?

Can anyone confirm ?


Port Of Entry-Highgate Springs
Port Information
Port Code: 0212
Location Address: Interstate 89 at the Border
Highgate Springs, VT 05460

Long dong

That's where I crossed. They require a real person to bring the original title 72 hours prior. No fax ,courrier or mail accepted.

[uncle_odb]

For those who has successfully imported a car, did Custom Canada look to see if your car was on the riv.ca/transport canada list?

Hmm, I don't know. I filled out their form and after that, the customs person entered something on the computer. There may be a check that happens when they enter my vehicle information. If not, then I'm sure when the Form 1 is sent to RIV, RIV would probably let me know right away if my vehicle was inadmissable.

[uncle_odb]

Hey Folks, Just arrived home form N.H. with my '08 Tribeca 5 Pass Ltd.:D U.S customs was less than 5 min. They just handed me the paperwork and checked the VIN on the vehicle and said "On Your Way".:) Canadian Customs was about 15 min. No sweat at all! Paid my RIV and Air Cond. Fee, along with GST so now it's off to Crappy for the rest. I'm a happy guy.:D : Will have to crunch all the numbers when the dust settles but its looking awfully good. Will post a photo later.That vehicle is a blast to drive. Handles very well. Almost like a CX-7 IMO.Yes, it's true, I'm a closet CX-7 admirer.:rolleyes: We have a Mazda 3 GT, it's fun too!:) I never saw so many Subarus in one place before as at Manchester Subaru. They have just about everything imaginable there!!! It's obvious that Subaru is a popular make with New Englanders. Saw as many of them on the road as Toyotas.:cool: Went to North Conway N.H. to the Factory Outlet Shops. Scored lots of Brownie Points with Mrs. and Mom-in-Law on that part of the trip. God Bless Free Trade! Thanks Monsieur M. & all the other RFDer's who have posted all the "Right Stuff" on this Forum.What they have said is 100% Kosher!!!!


Congrats Tico, welcome to the club. I hope you enjoy your vehicle just as much as I have.

[2Addicted]

Great education points about why they can't drop prices instantly... it's such a no win situation for the dealerships.. I feel bad for them.


The reality for newspapers is rather depressing. Their sales are decreasing all over N.A.. Auto sections are profit centres largely dependent on dealer advertising. How do you answer irate dealers spending over $10,000 a month on your publication after you print the unvarnished facts that could lead them to bankruptcy. It is not realistic to expect straight shooting, fair dealing out of publications scrambling to make a meagre profit. This would have been a problem more than 10 years ago. Today the word spreads like wildfire on the WWW and there is no way the facts can be hidden. I wake up in the morning and feel grateful that I am not a car dealer and have no exposure to the 30% hit that the banks and auto finance companies will take on "Residual Value" on walk away leases.
Keep on comparison shopping, price capitulation is only months away.

[dreaderus]

can someone who lives in toronto PM me a subaru dealer they have dealt with near the border that will work with me?

[reddy54]

Hmm..this is scary. Anyway maybe it will be overlooked? lets hope so...keep your fingers crossed...but seriosuly this is scary, i am very worried..

I would wait a few more weeks until the next RIV updated list comes out. You cannot just hope they do not notice that the car is not on the list. You can also try having your relatives call Lexus USA and spin a story that they are being transferred to CDA and would like to know if their car qualifies for import into CDA.

[reddy54]

Those 2008 Lexus were SUV/Van which are the exceptions. But if you have a passenger vehicle like the Lexus ES 350, you are not allow to import it. Some people have successfully imported a 2008 vehicles that not on the list.. But I doubt you can get them registered successful with riv.ca (some correct me if I am wrong).


But both riv.ca and Transport Canada told me they will not let vehicles not on the riv.ca list into the country at the border.

There are inconsistencies, but the best thing to do is phone transport canada and riv.ca, please give us updated.


Are you saying that some type of vehicles do not have to be on the list? Please elaborate.
Thanks

[rgc97]

Found this posting (it's a year old) on http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49488 (http://http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49488)

Don't know if the process still works. Someone wanting to import a Honda or Acura should check it out.

I talked to a lady at RIV and she emailed a PDF file that showed, step-by-step, exactly what to do to pass the inspection.

The brief explanation is as follows:
Create a user account with American Honda at www.ahm-ownerlink.com
Enter your USA-based VIN (it only accepts USA VINs)
Print this page
Click on the link, "Recalls"
Print this page

Take these TWO print-outs to your DMV as they constitute the mandatory Manufacturer's Letter.

Tony

[tico 1948]

Hey again Everyone. An interesting comment was made to me, by Xan Peterson @ Manchester Subie,when I picked up the Tribeca. He said, "What's with you Canadians all wanting accessories:confused: ? American buyers never add accessories." I could only reply that because the price difference is so great that we 're like kids in the candy store:lol: . My accessories only cost me an extra $914 U.S. installed:cool: . Equal Canadian price is in the $1,400-1,500 range, UNinstalled>:( . Oh well ,as Xan says, he now practically knows "BY Heart" the Subaru Accessory Book/Pricing. See, everything happens for a reason.Thanks again Xan!!!:D

[Ggilligan]

Just sitting around checking out the tube and found this show featuring the lawyer from jrclassactions suits on - we are with Cogeco and it is on channel 17 right now as a call in program - quite a few callers telling their story - this show will be off the charts for viewing....Ggilligan

[scrolllock]

I would wait a few more weeks until the next RIV updated list comes out. You cannot just hope they do not notice that the car is not on the list. You can also try having your relatives call Lexus USA and spin a story that they are being transferred to CDA and would like to know if their car qualifies for import into CDA.

I have been told that since the car is not on the admissible list and since the car is not on the "inadmissable" list that my file is on hold and I can not use the car.

They tell me it won't be long before Honda US will update the list. I am sure a few others are in the same boat.

It appears to me that all the US dealers have now been officially sent a letter telling them not to sell to Canadians any more.

As far as Honda US amd Canada go I don't think it is in their best interest to hold this process up. They will be getting a very bad media rap when the news gets out as to what they are up to.

As far as the Government departments go, they can not continue to operate in this manner. They need to use some common sense. They have to start looking out for the citizens not big business.

They are just hurting the little guy trying to save a few thousand dollars on a Civic while the big savings can be achieved with the SUVs/Vans etc... They are in section 5 on the list and appear to be a free for all. Any vehicle in this class can be imported as long as it meets the US Federal safety standards.

Why can't this also apply to passenger cars?

Bottom line for the chap with the Lexus passenger car. Talk to the folks at the RIV before going ahead with this. I believed the salesman when he told me "no problem" we have been sending 5 or 6 2008 up North per week!

[shaolinmonk]

officially looking to get an outback for my parents now... just need them to check out the car ahead of time.. to make sure they like it.. my car will still have to wait till next year though... time to contact Karl..

[dotcalamitie]

http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/sales.html

I think this is a useful guide for choosing a State to minimize our double taxation impact in our cross border purchases. Interesting to note that Ontario taxes are higher than any of the 50 US States.

[fireguy9]

Did anyone read today's wheel section of the Toronto Star from John LeBlanc? His whole article regarding buying from the US was more like "It's not worth it to buy in the US, keep your money in Canada." The article made it seem like there were so many "challenges" His checklist to "think" about before buying in the US made me laugh, because everything was more or less negative towards purchasing a new/used vehicle in the States. That's just my 2 cents from his article. I understand his job is to report and supposedly help the consumer, but with all the cons in his write-up, it's so discouraging from his point of view.

ARTICLE FROM THESTAR (http://www.wheels.ca/article/32462)

I bought a 6 month old motorcycle in Fl back in 2001 when the dollar was 50% exchange. The process was flawless, and simple. Even with the crazy exchange rate,,, I saved close to half the cost of buying it here. The dealer was really upset but understood why I would do it.

I would do it again when I am ready for my next vehicle purchase.

After owning it for 4yrs,, I traded it in here on a new bike and actually got 80% of what I paid for it in trade! was a great deal

[jadeboy]

I have been told that since the car is not on the admissible list and since the car is not on the "inadmissable" list that my file is on hold and I can not use the car.

They tell me it won't be long before Honda US will update the list. I am sure a few others are in the same boat.


So you got a inadmissable across the border? Which model and year? What did they do at the border. Btw.. riv.ca/Transport Canada don't really know if Honda will even update the list.


I believed the salesman when he told me "no problem" we have been sending 5 or 6 2008 up North per week!

Who was this?

[shoprbccom]

http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/sales.html

I think this is a useful guide for choosing a State to minimize our double taxation impact in our cross border purchases. Interesting to note that Ontario taxes are higher than any of the 50 US States.

Can people confirm that depending on which state a car is bought, state tax will apply? I thought if a car was bought for export, it would be excepted? Does this apply to both new and used?

[mangoman]

Seems Ottawa Citizen's reporter is not a dunderhead/under the influence of advertisers' as T.O.'s seem to be. ;)

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=cf41db82-2601-4d8e-9733-bcde26cf3c1a&k=29187

To drive prices down, drive south
As the dollar surges, Canadians owe it to themselves -- and their economy -- to stand up to retailers

Randall Denley
The Ottawa Citizen


Sunday, October 28, 2007


Consumers, start your engines please. It's time to head south to do our duty for the Canadian economy.

Lower consumer prices would do more for this country than a tax cut, but the only way to get them is to give our retailers a timely kick in the butt and the way to do that is to take our business elsewhere. Besides, we would really be doing the retailers a favour. With the strong Canadian dollar and U.S. retail prices about 25-per-cent cheaper than here, Canadian retailers are going to get clobbered later if they don't get their prices down now. We need to encourage them.

Let's face it, our retailers have had a pretty good ride. The dollar has been appreciating since 2002 and that has had to help retailers' purchasing power. They say they haven't seen a reduction in wholesale prices. If that's true, they're pretty bad business people. Small businesses don't have much clout, but the big ones do. Who seriously thinks a company like Wal-Mart Canada can't get lower wholesale prices?

The problem is that retailers have had no incentive to pass savings on to us because we keep buying. If you were selling sweaters for $50 and the cost of the sweater went down $5, your first reaction would be to keep the $5, not give it to the consumer. Big corporations are no different.

Canadians are used to over-paying, but we aren't used to a Canadian dollar worth more than the American buck. We shook our heads in dismay at the low price of American goods, but once we did the quick mental math to adjust for the Canadian dollar, the discrepancies weren't too large. Now, it's a different deal.

The most blatant example is in automobile pricing. If car companies could afford to sell Canadians a car for $25,000 when our dollar was worth 65 cents U.S., how come they're still charging the same price now when our dollar is worth more than an American dollar? The auto industry has given us a lot of mumbo-jumbo about cars being differently equipped, but it's a thin point, at best. There is no excuse for charging more in Canada for an American-made car and it's really absurd to charge more for a car made in Canada. On some models, the difference is $10,000.

Some automakers have aggressively protected their Canadian pricing by forbidding their American dealerships from selling to Canadians. Other retailers don't have such a favourable position. More than 80 per cent of Canadians live within a two-hour drive of the U.S. and we're entering the critical Christmas shopping season. Retailers rely on Christmas to make their profits, but the high volume seasonal shopping makes a trip to the U.S. even more productive for Canadian consumers.

Canadian retailers have defended their prices, and they do have a point. It's reasonable to charge somewhat more for many types of goods here because of different tax regimes, labour costs and freight costs. It's also very difficult to determine what that differential should be. In any case, consumers have concluded that's all the retailers' problem. An Ipsos Reid poll shows that 42 per cent of Canadians want prices down now, even if it means selling at a loss. That's a lot of buying power.

Canadian consumers are clearly not interested in paying a patriotism premium. We've already proven that by our preference for cheap Asian consumer goods over things made in North America.

There is an issue here that's larger than saving ourselves money. If Canadian retailers don't get their prices down, it's going to hurt our economy as consumer dollars go south and Canadians lose retail jobs. Sears Canada has already attributed poor third quarter results to cross border shopping.

If retailers do cut prices, there is a potentially substantial economic upside. Canadians spend about $300 billion a year on items like cars, furniture, appliances, clothing, sports equipment, tools, reading material and personal care products. Many of these are standardized goods available on both sides of the border.

Economist Douglas Porter of BMO Nesbitt Burns points out that even a five per cent reduction in the price of these goods would provide a $15 billion stimulus to our economy. That's almost three times the stimulative effect of the one per cent GST cut the federal government is promising and it would knock inflation back by 1.3 percentage points, enough to ease the pressure on interest rates.

That's the point Finance Minister Jim Flaherty should have been making this week when he talked about what a bad deal he had gotten on a Harry Potter book while posing in front of a sign that said "Standing Up for Consumers."

Thanks Jim, but it's time Canadian consumers stood up for themselves.

[inkognito81]

Finally a news article that takes the consumer's point of view on the whole situation.

All the articles I've read prior to this one have tried (not very hard though) to tell the story from both sides, but have always landed on the retailers side in the end.

[Lost Horizon]

Great education points about why they can't drop prices instantly... it's such a no win situation for the dealerships.. I feel bad for them.

ah... maybe a *slight* a twinge for them, but I personally don't know a car dealer who is not a millionaire, and I've been wandering this planet for a long time..

[shaolinmonk]

Hey guys, I've i'm buying the car.. but it's for my dad... how does all the paperwork go? he can't go pick it up and is not familar with all the details so i'd have a better shot...

is that going to cause problems?

[f00kie]

Can people confirm that depending on which state a car is bought, state tax will apply? I thought if a car was bought for export, it would be excepted? Does this apply to both new and used?

I thought you don't pay state tax either when you're buying for export...

[BeeBee]

Seems Ottawa Citizen's reporter is not a dunderhead/under the influence of advertisers' as T.O.'s seem to be. ;)

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=cf41db82-2601-4d8e-9733-bcde26cf3c1a&k=29187

To drive prices down, drive south
As the dollar surges, Canadians owe it to themselves -- and their economy -- to stand up to retailers

Randall Denley
The Ottawa Citizen

Sunday, October 28, 2007


Finally a news article that takes the consumer's point of view on the whole situation.

All the articles I've read prior to this one have tried (not very hard though) to tell the story from both sides, but have always landed on the retailers side in the end.

+1, now lets go stimulate the Canadian economy.

[Monsieurmaggot]

For those who has successfully imported a car, did Custom Canada look to see if your car was on the riv.ca/transport canada list?

It's not Customs Canada's job to ensure the vehicle is on the list. They'll happily accept the GST on a mule.

Trick is, if you vehicle isn't on the list and you can't get it to conform, you will need to return it to the US or have it destroyed. In that case YOU WON'T be getting your GST money refunded.

[Monsieurmaggot]

www.multiline.ca?

Those folks are auto importers. They also get rental and lease returns.

They're pocketing thousands for what you can do for $200.

[thegradas]

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/10/27/new-website-helps-canadians-import-cars-from-u-s-for-less/1#comments

[toolman]

Can people confirm that depending on which state a car is bought, state tax will apply? I thought if a car was bought for export, it would be excepted? Does this apply to both new and used?

My dealer had me sign an "Exemption Certificate" in the state that I'm buying. This way I don't have to pay the state tax.

[kind16]

How do we konw the used car in US have no accidents? Or how many owners the used car has?

[ian46]

I was off this thread for a few days and was completely blown away by all the traffic it generates in a few days.

I think we're at a turning point folks. Everywhere I look, Canadian dealers as all singing the same songs. They're trying to convince themselves this isn't happening.

The longer they remain quiet, the worse it will be for them.

Don't stop now. Keep spreading the word.

I'm being stopped at work a couple of times per week now from people asking me for information on importing cars from the US.

I continue to get tons of emails from people telling me that thanks to Subaru's stance on selling to Canadians, they are either seriously looking or buying them now. That's great. Others are so disgusted with the Canadian dealers they're looking for demonstrators or lease returns in the US.

Haven't seen hate mail in quite a while.

I guess those people realize that the rest of us would chew them up alive.

:)

Thank you for a very interesting chat experience.

But please ALL note:
As always, my personal opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of any group,
company, etc. You should do your own research first before coming
to your own opinions and conclusions.

If they ever try to put me on the "No Fly" list it will be
my turn to need help !

Bye ...

[ryandk]

The RIV site is pretty vague about cars from other countries, just stating that they must meet Canada Motor Vehicle Safety Standards.

I'd like to import a BMW 1-series hatchback. Has anyone else done this? Are safety standards pretty uniform across Europe? Do European safety standards meet Canadian safety standards?

If someone could direct me to a different forum or website that would help me, that would be great.

Thanks.

Ryan
rakewellhotmail.com

[jmlleung]

http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/sales.html

I think this is a useful guide for choosing a State to minimize our double taxation impact in our cross border purchases. Interesting to note that Ontario taxes are higher than any of the 50 US States.
This is only the State tax. If you buy a car in Buffalo, I believe you have to pay 8.25% tax, i.e. 4.25% city tax + 4% NY state tax.

So just using the State tax is not sufficient.

[jmlleung]

How do we konw the used car in US have no accidents? Or how many owners the used car has?
You can check by carfax.

[jmlleung]

you will have to pay both..
you pay the NY tax when you buy in buffalo.. pay the registration to get it registered to your cali friend.. (you need an american driver's liscence / address for the buyer)..
then your cali friend can sell it to your canadian friend as a used vehicle..
importing it, you need to pay gst and duties (since bmw made in germany)..

some cars it is still worth it, but it is a lot of paperwork..

Can my Canadian friend just use my California friend's address? He can pay the NY tax once, and then he will import it to Canada himself. And he does not need to register in California.

Can anyone share their experience with friends or relatives living in the State and help buying cars for Canadians?

[dotcalamitie]

So then we have to choose a city and state for tax purposes. Is that why people are going to Rochester?

[Bullseye]

You can check by carfax.

Carfax is mostly useless. I know several people who've been in accidents, and went to a Collsion Reporting Centre, police reports filled out, etc, and the accident never shows up on their Carfax reports.

[scrolllock]

So you got a inadmissable across the border? Which model and year? What did they do at the border. Btw.. riv.ca/Transport Canada don't really know if Honda will even update the list.



Who was this?

As I look at it now I wish the Border Srvices people would have turned me back.

But there is no mention that the car is not admissible, and all the Government folks know that Honda US and Canada are just playing games.

The Car is built in Canada on the same assembly line as the Canadian version. If you check out the Service Manual called "2006-2008 Honda Civic" you will see their is no issue. The manual is used for both the Canadian and US versions. The 2007 Model is ok and it is "admissible" and it is the same as the 2008 as far as the safety Standards go.


I don't think it would be proper for me to "rat" out the dealership and saleman that sold me the car. They seem to be great folks and just got caught up in this mess. If I was an American citizen losing my job because Canadians can no longer buy from me I would be a bit upset. Many people in the US are making good money for the last couple of years selling the 2007 and other used models to Canadians.

[f00kie]

My dealer had me sign an "Exemption Certificate" in the state that I'm buying. This way I don't have to pay the state tax.

Why is everyone's opinion/experience on US taxes different? Do we, or do we not pay them?

[tuzzi]

Carfax is mostly useless. I know several people who've been in accidents, and went to a Collsion Reporting Centre, police reports filled out, etc, and the accident never shows up on their Carfax reports.

Is there a better, more thorough service than Carfax then?

[kup ladder]

Why is everyone's opinion/experience on US taxes different? Do we, or do we not pay them?

Even when dealing within one state, I get a different answer regarding the taxes. I think the dealers are just overwhelmed with a lack of info. I've had to educate them on some items.

I am curious about why we can't import 2008 Toyotas....?

[Lost Horizon]

I am curious about why we can't import 2008 Toyotas....?

I'm guessing they just don't love us.

[canabiz]

Carfax is mostly useless. I know several people who've been in accidents, and went to a Collsion Reporting Centre, police reports filled out, etc, and the accident never shows up on their Carfax reports.

That might be true in Canada but we don't know what happens in the States. No system is perfect but I find CarFax fairly accurate (at least for the vehicles that I have got involved with) For a small fee, I do think it will help you cover some bases and possibly give you some peace of mind.

It helps to bring a friend who is a mechanic or who knows a bit about used cars with you for the shopping experience. You certainly don't want to bring back to Canada a lemon.

[jadeboy]

I am curious about why we can't import 2008 Toyotas....?

Because it's not on the riv.ca/transport canada admissible list due to the fact Toyota has not provided them with the paperwork. This also include 2008 passenger car from Honda/Acura/Volvo/GM/Saturn/Lexus/Toyota.

[reddy54]

This is only the State tax. If you buy a car in Buffalo, I believe you have to pay 8.25% tax, i.e. 4.25% city tax + 4% NY state tax.

So just using the State tax is not sufficient.

Hard to believe this is a fact. If so everyone in Buffalo will buy cars 30 miles away and save the extra 4%. I do not believe that the state DMV will collect the city tax.

[VladK]

For those who has successfully imported a car, did Custom Canada look to see if your car was on the riv.ca/transport canada list?

Customs in Canada don't know much about the process. They did not even take a look at our car. We just paid taxes and moved on. Process of going through customs is very easy, at least it was for us. Imported Mercedes E350, 2007.

Right now its at Mercedes dealership getting necessary modifications done, which will cost $3,600.

[shopper-X]

Customs in Canada don't know much about the process. They did not even take a look at our car. We just paid taxes and moved on. Process of going through customs is very easy, at least it was for us. Imported Mercedes E350, 2007.

Right now its at Mercedes dealership getting necessary modifications done, which will cost $3,600.

Congrats on the E350!!

What modifications did you need to have to get done and what are the cost for each of those modifications?

[john103]

Could anyone recommed a VW dealer close to TORONTO that will sell to canadians? Like Van Bortel Subaru?

Thanks!

[Raikkonen]

http://autopedia.com/html/Rebate.html

[VladK]

Congrats on the E350!!

What modifications did you need to have to get done and what are the cost for each of those modifications?

Bumper modifications
Daylight
Odometer
Child Seat


I'm not sure what each one of those costs but total came down to $3,600.

[ottawa_hull]

Customs in Canada don't know much about the process. They did not even take a look at our car. We just paid taxes and moved on. Process of going through customs is very easy, at least it was for us. Imported Mercedes E350, 2007.

Right now its at Mercedes dealership getting necessary modifications done, which will cost $3,600.
Congratulations.
Am I correct in assuming that until you buy and bring the car into the country you do not really know how much the local Benz dealer is going to ask for the modifications or is it a standard set of modifications.? I am interested in bringing a 2007 ML320 CDI. Does anoyone have experience with importing such a vehicle. If I cannot figure out the cost before I start I would be switching to an X5 (2007). I want to know what I am dealing with and do not want to be held hostage to some dealer charging whatever they see fit.
Any input and experiences are welcome.

thanks.

[VladK]

Congratulations.
Am I correct in assuming that until you buy and bring the car into the country you do not really know how much the local Benz dealer is going to ask for the modifications or is it a standard set of modifications.? I am interested in bringing a 2007 ML320 CDI. Does anoyone have experience with importing such a vehicle. If I cannot figure out the cost before I start I would be switching to an X5 (2007). I want to know what I am dealing with and do not want to be held hostage to some dealer charging whatever they see fit.
Any input and experiences are welcome.

thanks.

I called a few Mercedes dealerships. A couple were asking me to bring the car in but one of the dealers asked for VIN # and got back to us in 3-4 days with the estimate. At that point we did not have the car yet, following week we brought it in and the cost was exactly what he told us in his estimate over the phone.

Edit: When i called dealerships i told them that i already bought the car, don't know if that made a difference.

[hammer]

Now I am worried. How did you know about the modification required? RIV? Is your car admissible?

[Kocur]

Someone posted the contact info for company in buffalo or niagara falls that does DRLs and changes speedometers to KM from MILES.
I searched back 50 pages twice... can't find it.
Could someone post their name and phone number again please??:cheesygri
Thanks in advance,
Kocur

[allknowing]

Now I am worried. How did you know about the modification required? RIV? Is your car admissible?

As I understand it those modifications are not all required for it to be on the road in canada - you do not need to have the speedo or odometer changed. That is just a nice to have. You need the bumpers, the child tether and drl to meet canadian standards.

[newlegacyowner]

Hey Folks, Just arrived home form N.H. with my '08 Tribeca 5 Pass Ltd.:D U.S customs was less than 5 min. They just handed me the paperwork and checked the VIN on the vehicle and said "On Your Way".:) Canadian Customs was about 15 min. No sweat at all! Paid my RIV and Air Cond. Fee, along with GST so now it's off to Crappy for the rest. I'm a happy guy.:D : Will have to crunch all the numbers when the dust settles but its looking awfully good. Will post a photo later.That vehicle is a blast to drive. Handles very well. Almost like a CX-7 IMO.Yes, it's true, I'm a closet CX-7 admirer.:rolleyes: We have a Mazda 3 GT, it's fun too!:) I never saw so many Subarus in one place before as at Manchester Subaru. They have just about everything imaginable there!!! It's obvious that Subaru is a popular make with New Englanders. Saw as many of them on the road as Toyotas.:cool: Went to North Conway N.H. to the Factory Outlet Shops. Scored lots of Brownie Points with Mrs. and Mom-in-Law on that part of the trip. God Bless Free Trade! Thanks Monsieur M. & all the other RFDer's who have posted all the "Right Stuff" on this Forum.What they have said is 100% Kosher!!!!


Ahhh. so you are the one, Xan mentioned that another Canadian was picking up a car on Saturday. I picked up my Legacy on Friday from Xan. The entire transaction was very easy and I guess Xan works every day because he was always there when I phoned. The paperwork was a breeze and the border was done with in less than 15 minutes.

Subaru got another convert from a Honda buyer who was half way through a transaction before the "letter" showed up at the dealer and then Honda's arrogance really came through. Could not be happier with my Subaru and their great attitude.

[reddy54]

Someone posted the contact info for company in buffalo or niagara falls that does DRLs and changes speedometers to KM from MILES.
I searched back 50 pages twice... can't find it.
Could someone post their name and phone number again please??:cheesygri
Thanks in advance,
Kocur


Try Niagara Speedometer
speedo@autoexportcanada.com

A full conversion for a Toyota Sienna is about $ 200.00

[VladK]

Now I am worried. How did you know about the modification required? RIV? Is your car admissible?

It is a different process for Mercedes. You fax/email them car info and they reply back to tell you if it is admissible. It just a formality as i believe all mercedes cars are. Although it has to be at least a year old, as i was told by a dealer in the states and i have not really be able to confirm that.

[hammer]

As I understand it those modifications are not all required for it to be on the road in canada - you do not need to have the speedo or odometer changed. That is just a nice to have. You need the bumpers, the child tether and drl to meet canadian standards.

Bumpers? That is a big job. What bumpers are not good?

[ottawa_hull]

It is a different process for Mercedes. You fax/email them car info and they reply back to tell you if it is admissible. It just a formality as i believe all mercedes cars are. Although it has to be at least a year old, as i was told by a dealer in the states and i have not really be able to confirm that.
1 year old...that's news to me...but again, we really seem to be at the mercy of MB instead of a bunch of bureaucrats in Ottawa. For once, I wish it were the latter rather than the former

[Kocur]

Try Niagara Speedometer
speedo@autoexportcanada.com

A full conversion for a Toyota Sienna is about $ 200.00

Thanks so much reddy54 !

[perfchris]

Does anyone know what process to follow for Audi ? Does the dealer know what modifications the vehicle needs ?

[Alaric]

If we have to courier the original title to the border 72 hours in advance.

How do we bring it to the DMV for a trip permit (original title needs to be shown) in the US? Would we have to stop by the border again in the US, to pick up the original title?

[scouzi]

I have been told that since the car is not on the admissible list and since the car is not on the "inadmissable" list that my file is on hold and I can not use the car.

They tell me it won't be long before Honda US will update the list. I am sure a few others are in the same boat.

It appears to me that all the US dealers have now been officially sent a letter telling them not to sell to Canadians any more.

As far as Honda US amd Canada go I don't think it is in their best interest to hold this process up. They will be getting a very bad media rap when the news gets out as to what they are up to.

As far as the Government departments go, they can not continue to operate in this manner. They need to use some common sense. They have to start looking out for the citizens not big business.

They are just hurting the little guy trying to save a few thousand dollars on a Civic while the big savings can be achieved with the SUVs/Vans etc... They are in section 5 on the list and appear to be a free for all. Any vehicle in this class can be imported as long as it meets the US Federal safety standards.

Why can't this also apply to passenger cars?

Bottom line for the chap with the Lexus passenger car. Talk to the folks at the RIV before going ahead with this. I believed the salesman when he told me "no problem" we have been sending 5 or 6 2008 up North per week!

Transport Canada should change the law so that car companies need to provide exception lists instead.

[brendonp]

The RIV site is pretty vague about cars from other countries, just stating that they must meet Canada Motor Vehicle Safety Standards.

I'd like to import a BMW 1-series hatchback. Has anyone else done this? Are safety standards pretty uniform across Europe? Do European safety standards meet Canadian safety standards?

If someone could direct me to a different forum or website that would help me, that would be great.

Thanks.

Ryan
rakewellhotmail.com

Can you find a deal on one? There are several Euro vehicles that I've looked at in the past, but they've always been rediculously expensive to comparable US vehicles; that being said, sometimes you just can't find the vehicles in Canada/US! Are you sure that the 1 hatch won't make it over here? I've heard that it won't head to the US, but some models make it to Canada and not the US (crossing my fingers!).

Sorry I can't be of more help - best of luck!

Brendon

[ryandk]

I think I read somewhere that the hatch wouldn't make it to North America. I'm hoping to get a new car next year, so I don't know if I can wait for BWM to change their minds.

I was looking at prices on the BMW France site. Prices didn't look too bad.



Can you find a deal on one? There are several Euro vehicles that I've looked at in the past, but they've always been rediculously expensive to comparable US vehicles; that being said, sometimes you just can't find the vehicles in Canada/US! Are you sure that the 1 hatch won't make it over here? I've heard that it won't head to the US, but some models make it to Canada and not the US (crossing my fingers!).

Sorry I can't be of more help - best of luck!

Brendon

[DSTU]

http://pages.ebay.ca/ebaymotors/explained/checklist/howtobuyUS.html

No more of you damn newbies asking questions that have been answered a 1000 times already.


PRINT THIS PAGE AND KEEP IT NEARBY TO HELP YOU THROUGH EACH STEP

Before you import your car from the United States, go through this document to learn all the steps involved. The guidelines below will help you through the process.

Step 1: Find the Vehicle

Take advantage of the search options available on eBay Motors to find the car you would like to import into Canada. For more information on finding, visit http://pages.ebay.ca/ebaymotors/explained/buy/find.html

Step 2: Ensure the Vehicle is Admissible

If your vehicle is under 15 years old, it will need to be registered with the Registrar of Imported Vehicles (RIV). The RIV outlines a list of admissible vehicles by Make, Model and Year. Visit http://www.riv.ca/english/US_vehicle_admissibility.pdf.

Step 3: Determine Additional Costs

There are some additional costs to import a vehicle into Canada that are not included in the price you pay for the car. These include:

Duty Amounts:


Vehicles Manufactured in North America
Duty Free

Vehicles Manufactured outside North America
6.1% on average

Vehicles over 25 years old
Duty Free


Tax Amounts:

All Vehicles are subject to GST
6%

Vehicles with Air Conditioning
C$100

Vehicles exceeding 2036 KGM
Subject to further excise. Scale based on actual weight


You will also be required to pay a RIV (Registrar of Imported Vehicles) fee of C$209 (or C$224 if in Quebec). This fee can be paid directly to Canada Customs by credit card only. Cash or cheque is not accepted.

Note: If you do want to pay by cheque or money order, you will need to mail directly to the RIV. Canada Customs can provide you with an envelope to do this, however please note clearance of personal cheques will take 10 days and this will take away from your 45 day deadline.


Step 4: Obtain Documentation

Once you have purchased your vehicle, you will need to obtain copies of the following documents. The originals will need to be in the vehicle as it crosses the border.

Certificate of Title or Salvage Title
Bill of Sale
Registration
Statement of compliance label (usually affixed to the vehicle)
Manufacturer's recall clearance letter
Step 5: Arrange Transportation of the Vehicle

If you plan to drive the vehicle through the border, you will want to investigate proper insurance. Although the vehicle may be insured in the USA, once you reach Canadian soil, your U.S. plates are no longer valid.

The Insurance Brokers Association of Canada (http://www.findabroker.ca) website allows you to search for an insurance broker nearest you where a temporary permit can be purchased while you complete the importation process.

If you plan to have the vehicle brought to you, you will want to research pricing for various companies who specialize or are well versed in vehicle transportation. You can either work directly with a trucking company, or you can hire a Freight Forwarder who will work for you and handle the investigation and research.

Step 6: Notify Customs at Least 72 Hours in Advance

Documentation for your vehicle MUST be presented to U.S. Customs at least 72 hours before the vehicle crosses.

U.S. Customs has varying requirements in regards to presentation of documentation. Some offices request originals are received where others are satisfied with copies. It is important that you decide ahead of time where you plan to cross the border and contact the office at that port for confirmation of document receipt.

U.S. Customs Port Contacts - http://www.customs.ustreas.gov/xp/cgov/toolbox/ports/

U.S. Customs Management Centers - http://www.customs.ustreas.gov/xp/cgov/toolbox/contacts/cmcs/

Step 7: Payment of RIV Fees

Your RIV fee must be paid and cleared before the RIV will issue you a federal inspection form or special modification information. DO NOT proceed with any modifications until you have received this information. You can pay this fee prior to importing your vehicle, or you can pay this fee when you reach the border. If you are paying by personal cheque it will take 10 days before the payment is processed, and your vehicle will not be able to enter Canada before it has cleared. You can pay this fee at the border by credit card only.


Step 8: Present the Vehicle to U.S. Customs

Once you reach the border, you will need to report your vehicle and original certificate of title to U.S. Customs. Once they have matched the paperwork to your vehicle and are satisfied, you can proceed to Canada Customs.

Step 9: Declare the Vehicle to Canada Customs

All documentation you have prepared for this importation will now be presented to Canada Customs. At this time Customs will request you complete a Vehicle Import Form (Form 1) which must be kept with the vehicle until it is licensed.

Note: In order to complete this form, you will need to have a Canadian mailing address.

Canada Customs will then check your vehicle against Transport Canada's List of Vehicles Admissible from the USA (http://www.riv.ca/english/_admis_list_may03_Eng.pdf). At this time your public VIN and manufacture's statement of compliance label will be compared to ensure they match.

If you have not already paid the RIV fee, you will need to do this at the border by credit card only, before your vehicle enters Canada. Fees are C$209 or C$224 in Quebec.

Your RIV fee must be paid and cleared before the RIV will issue you a federal inspection form or special modification information. DO NOT proceed with any modifications until you have received this information.

Note: Submission of payment and receipt of your completed Form 1 does not mean your vehicle meets all the necessary requirements - you will still need to conform to all applicable provincial, territorial and federal laws.

Step 10: Register & Insure the Vehicle in Canada

Once your vehicle is in Canada and all your fees have been taken care of, you will receive a letter in the mail from the RIV with your Vehicle Inspection Document (Form 2). This will arrive 1 to 2 weeks after clearance and indicates what modifications must be done in order for your vehicle to be compliant. You will have 45 days from the clearance date to have the noted modifications completed and it is recommended by the RIV that you contact the Original Equipment Manufacturer for proper parts or warrant details.

Note: Make sure you keep your receipts for all parts and labour.

The RIV has contracted with Canadian Tire to perform Federal Inspections in addition to any modification work you may require.

Visit http://www.canadiantire.ca/ to find a Canadian Tire near you.

Step 11: Vehicle Inspection
Upon arrival at the inspection centre, you will need to turn over the following documents:

Form 1 - Vehicle Import Form
Form 2 - Vehicle Inspection Document
Recall Clearance Letter
Receipts for Modification work - parts & labour
A Passing Vehicle:

Once your vehicle passes the inspection, the inspector will stamp your Form 1. You will have to present this to the provincial or territorial licensing authority in case other testing is required.

Provincial / Territory Contacts - http://www.riv.ca/english/html/provincial_licensing.html

Approximately one week after passing inspection, you should be sent a new Canadian Certificate label which will need to be affixed to your car. Instructions on placement will be included with the label.

A Failed Vehicle:

Should your vehicle fail inspection, further modifications may be required and the vehicle will need to be re-inspected. There will be additional charges to have the vehicle re-inspected.

If your vehicle does not pass inspection within the 45 day time limit, it will have to be exported back to the U.S. If you are going to have trouble meeting the deadline, you should contact the RIV at 1-888-848-8240 as they may be able to assist you.

[Hannicho]

You can pay RIV fee online after you have cleared Canada Customs.
Some borders (ie. Blaine) will not process RIV and they will give you step by step instructions.
- payment of $206.70 covers federal inspection
- payment can be made by credit card online at www.riv.ca - For online processing you need the Form 1 number (red number at top right of form 1 page), transaction number, the CB officers # (the person who filled out your form 1) and port code OR payment can be made over the phone with Credit Card.
- fax title & form 1 to riv at 1-888-346-8235.
- fax recall letter to 1-888-642-9899.

It appears with all the imports some borders are too busy just doing your form 1 paperwork and don't have the manpower to do the rest.

In Alberta you can visit a registry agent to obtain a 7 day "unregistered vehicle intransit permit" for driving the car in Canada. You need to show proof of insurance, documentation that you have purchased the vehicle to the registry agent and the port of entry. I waited until the dealer had couriered the docs before going to the registry agent. I showed them my buyers order, insurance and gave them the border crossing. I obtained the permit without the title/CoO/MSO.

Hopefully I'll get the form 2 before the 7 day permit runs out.

[eastsidesubaru]

No more of you damn newbies asking questions that have been answered a 1000 times already.



You're way too optimistic ;)

[shopper-X]

No more of you damn newbies asking questions that have been answered a 1000 times already.


You're way too optimistic ;)

+1
This will get lost in the pages again.
Even if you printed it and hand delivered it, they will still ask. Here is part of the very 1st post of this thread:


Okay now you're convinced to buy in the US. How do you do it?

Follow the import instructions posted at the Registrar Of Imported Vehicles. http://www.riv.ca/english/html/how_to_import.html. It's easier than it sounds.

Another excellent resource is the RFD thread compiled by alysomji with input from just about everyone: http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=477998

Thanks to another RFD member, we made a wiki site at www.carburner.com

If you have any questions, ask some of the members at RFD who've gone through the process.

BTW, Thanks again for providing the www.carburner.com site Zach.

[hotgo]

Well, I've spotted my first Van Bortel license plate holder this morning... Driving to work this morning in Waterloo, I look over at a nice Legacy, and lo and behold, Van Bortel plate holder. It's looking more and more likely that I'll have to do the same shortly...

[Monsieurmaggot]

This is only the State tax. If you buy a car in Buffalo, I believe you have to pay 8.25% tax, i.e. 4.25% city tax + 4% NY state tax.

So just using the State tax is not sufficient.

Maybe we'll add an area in the www.carburner.com wiki that outlines which states charge sales taxes.

That should simplify things for everyone.

For me, I purchased in NY State and paid no sales taxes.

[Bullseye]

Well, I've spotted my first Van Bortel license plate holder this morning... Driving to work this morning in Waterloo, I look over at a nice Legacy, and lo and behold, Van Bortel plate holder. It's looking more and more likely that I'll have to do the same shortly...

Even though I usually remove dealer plate holders immediately, I'm going to keep my Van Bortel one on! Just so others in 'The Club' can identify me. :lol:

[Monsieurmaggot]

Even though I usually remove dealer plate holders immediately, I'm going to keep my Van Bortel one on! Just so others in 'The Club' can identify me. :lol:

Sadly I never got a dealer plate frame.

If any Subaru dealer wants to send me one, I'll be happy to advertise my US purchase.

Just PM me for my mailing address.

Heck, if I get more than one, I will rotate them.

Someone mentioned that I should get one of those "scrolling LED message" plates and advertise my purchase. That would be pushing it.

[scope11]

You can pay RIV fee online after you have cleared Canada Customs.
Some borders (ie. Blaine) will not process RIV and they will give you step by step instructions.
- payment of $206.70 covers federal inspection
- payment can be made by credit card online at www.riv.ca - For online processing you need the Form 1 number (red number at top right of form 1 page), transaction number, the CB officers # (the person who filled out your form 1) and port code OR payment can be made over the phone with Credit Card.
- fax title & form 1 to riv at 1-888-346-8235.
- fax recall letter to 1-888-642-9899.

It appears with all the imports some borders are too busy just doing your form 1 paperwork and don't have the manpower to do the rest.

In Alberta you can visit a registry agent to obtain a 7 day "unregistered vehicle intransit permit" for driving the car in Canada. You need to show proof of insurance, documentation that you have purchased the vehicle to the registry agent and the port of entry. I waited until the dealer had couriered the docs before going to the registry agent. I showed them my buyers order, insurance and gave them the border crossing. I obtained the permit without the title/CoO/MSO.

Hopefully I'll get the form 2 before the 7 day permit runs out.

Question re. the RIV process. I brought my vehicle across, and the boarder would not process my payment, so I did it online. Called RIV the next day and was told that my file would not be in their system until 4-5 days later. The woman told me only to fax my Recall Letter. Question - if I fax in my title and Form 1, will I end up in the system faster?

Thanks.

[scrolllock]

If you plan to drive the vehicle through the border, you will want to investigate proper insurance. Although the vehicle may be insured in the USA, once you reach Canadian soil, your U.S. plates are no longer valid.

The Insurance Brokers Association of Canada ([url]http://www.findabroker.ca) website allows you to search for an insurance broker nearest you where a temporary permit can be purchased while you complete the importation process.

.

You seem to be implying that the Temporary Intransit plates issued by the State the car was purchased in are not valid in Canada! Then how come the Canadian Border Services permit you into the country with the temporary plate?

How com your insurance company issues the pink slip and bills you for the insurance coverage?

Please be more specific when pointing out where I need to purchase a temporary plate. I searched the web site and did not see any discussion on this. Maybe I am looking at the wrong page.

Thanks

[Bullseye]

You seem to be implying that the Temporary Intransit plates issued by the State the car was purchased in are not valid in Canada! Then how come the Canadian Border Services permit you into the country with the temporary plate?

How com your insurance company issues the pink slip and bills you for the insurance coverage?

Please be more specific when pointing out where I need to purchase a temporary plate. I searched the web site and did not see any discussion on this. Maybe I am looking at the wrong page.

Thanks

Border Services is not responsible for enforcing the highway traffic act, they don't care about your temp permit. Insurance also doesn't care about plating, only your VIN.

I asked at the Ministry, they said the NY state permit is technically not valid in Canada. The dealership that gave it to me also pointed out that it was for transitting from there to the border only, but wink-wink- nudge-nudge not to worry too much about it when i get to Canada.

As I posted last week, I went and got an Ontario temp permit when I got the car home, even though I know others who drove around for 2 weeks with their NY state temp permit with no problem. It's $15 for peace of mind, in any event.

[crikey]

I'm planning to give my almost 10-year old Acura 1.6EL, that I imported into the US when I moved, to my younger sister. Since the car originated from Canada, it already complies with all Canadian requirements. I was able to properly title it here in the US and I will be handing the title over to her when she comes down to drive it back up.

What I'm not clear about is what tags will she use on her drive back up? I don't think I should give her the tags currently on the vehicle. Does she need to get tags from Canada first and have it with her when she drives it? I have the old Ontario tags on it, but those have not been renewed since I moved down to the US and they are in my name so it may not be useful to her anyway. Also, since the car was purchased in Canada, all sales taxes have been paid on it when it was originally bought. I don't imagine that she should pay anymore taxes or duties on it, but I wouldn't be surprised if Canada Customs levies taxes on it.

If anyone has imported a used car bought privately, I would appreciate it if you can share your experience. Thanks.

[lh0628]

Good to hear people are buying cars cheaper, but I don't understand why the big rush.

1. sooner or later canadian pricing will come down.
2. US economy will continue to decline and their dollar will get weaker (unless they start another war) = better exchange rate for us.

So in my opinion it's better to wait for a while until the dust settles...

[tico 1948]

If we have to courier the original title to the border 72 hours in advance.

How do we bring it to the DMV for a trip permit (original title needs to be shown) in the US? Would we have to stop by the border again in the US, to pick up the original title?
Hey Alaric, I didn't send the U.S. Customs my original Cert. of Origin. Instead, I got my selling Dealership to e-mail me a Scanned Attachment Copy of the C.o.O. to his e-mail. I then printed it off on my colour printer. VOILA, a copy that you can't tell the difference from anywhere.Those documents are Serial #'d and a faxed copy just doesn't show up those #'s worth a damn!My Salesman told me not to send the orig. because **** happens and if that somehow got lost, you are frigged!!! You can also show your DMV the same scanned copy or just run off another one for their use. Simple as that. That's what I did. Courier'd my Scanned Copy of The Cert. of Origin, along with my Yellow coloured "customer's copy" of the 3 part Dealership Sales Invoice. For extra safety, I also sent them a photocopy of my Bank Wire Transfer to show the U.S. Customs that I had indeed paid for the vehicle in full. I spent less than 10 min. at the U.S. Customs. Piece of Cake. Just be awfully polite, yes sir/ma'm, no sir/ma'm and don't speak unless spoken to. It's only part of the euphoria that you will feel when you finally are heading down the highway from the Cdn. Customs with all things going tickety boo!
Happy new vehicle smells, joy of driving, looks of envy from neighbours, etc, etc.Best Regards, Ron akaTICO 1948

[diigii]

I'm planning to give my almost 10-year old Acura 1.6EL, that I imported into the US when I moved, to my younger sister. Since the car originated from Canada, it already complies with all Canadian requirements. I was able to properly title it here in the US and I will be handing the title over to her when she comes down to drive it back up.

What I'm not clear about is what tags will she use on her drive back up? I don't think I should give her the tags currently on the vehicle. Does she need to get tags from Canada first and have it with her when she drives it? I have the old Ontario tags on it, but those have not been renewed since I moved down to the US and they are in my name so it may not be useful to her anyway. Also, since the car was purchased in Canada, all sales taxes have been paid on it when it was originally bought. I don't imagine that she should pay anymore taxes or duties on it, but I wouldn't be surprised if Canada Customs levies taxes on it.

If anyone has imported a used car bought privately, I would appreciate it if you can share your experience. Thanks.

Your particular question would qualify as a gift so that she doesn't have to pay taxes. If you have your original bill of sale when you bought the car in Canada, then that would be helpful too in proving the car complies with Canadian vehicle standards. Your sister will just have the safety certificate and emissions test done before she could get it registered. I think it's okay to let her drive it back to Canada with your tags. She could just take them off when she puts on the Ontario tags.

[diigii]

Good to hear people are buying cars cheaper, but I don't understand why the big rush.

1. sooner or later canadian pricing will come down.
2. US economy will continue to decline and their dollar will get weaker (unless they start another war) = better exchange rate for us.

So in my opinion it's better to wait for a while until the dust settles...

So if you're saying not to rush, do you know when the Canadian pricing will come down? Do you know the exact date when the Canadian dealers will reduce their prices? Do you know when the Canadian dollar will peak against the US dollar?

But here's the fact. The Canadian dollar is at an all-time high right now. Analysts are saying that it will go up to US$1.06 this week or next. But are they certain? Nobody knows for sure. But if it did, then good for consumers buying cars in the US. I brought my car when the exchange rate as CAD$1.0564 in Sept 4. I could've waited till this month so I could save about $15K, instead of the $12K I did. But I'm happy I got it.

What if OPEC sudenly decided next week they will flood the international market with unlimited production of oil? And you haven't found the car you'd like to buy in the US? Do you think the CAD$ will not fall from it's all-time high when the biggest factor driving it up is because of the high price of oil?

Nobody can tell when the US$ will rebound. Analysts certainly can't tell either. All they can do is speculate, using past trends and current economic factors. While you can take advantage of this buying power while it lasts. Don't get caught when it's too late.

[HighFlyer]

Don't get caught when it's too late.
Exactly. I could have saved an extra $2K had I bought now instead of back then..... as it stands right now, the bush peso is approaching $1.05. But many things could have happened, the peso could have gained strength, subaru could have stopped sales to Canadians.

[jingyu]

Congradulation! Which border office did you croass? Will all places accept scanned one instead of original? Thanks.

Happy new vehicle smells, joy of driving, looks of envy from neighbours, etc, etc.Best Regards, Ron akaTICO 1948

[jwstewart]

I thought I would ask the question....why has Subaru become the poster child for importing US vehicles ?

In fact, having compared all of the manufacturer's US and Canadian pricing, Subaru actually has some of the biggest price differentials. One could argue they are one of the worst offenders of cross-border pricing arbitrage.

Is supporting them a good idea simply because they allow un-hindered exports ?

[crikey]

Your particular question would qualify as a gift so that she doesn't have to pay taxes. If you have your original bill of sale when you bought the car in Canada, then that would be helpful too in proving the car complies with Canadian vehicle standards. Your sister will just have the safety certificate and emissions test done before she could get it registered. I think it's okay to let her drive it back to Canada with your tags. She could just take them off when she puts on the Ontario tags.

Thanks for your reply.
I still have the original bill of sale. Good suggestion on that.

Regarding the tags, I'm just concerned that, should she get pulled over, having the current tags on the vehicle may complicate the transaction even more, since they are not in her name. But I guess the vehicle's title would clear that up.

[crikey]

The Canadian dollar is at an all-time high right now. Analysts are saying that it will go up to US$1.06 this week or next. But are they certain? Nobody knows for sure.

It is rumored that the Feds will cut interest rates yet again. If they do, this will most certainly devalue the US$ yet again. And yes, as oil prices rise, the CDN$ will rise as well. Now, if only prices in Canada would start to go lower... :lol:

[rafku]

I had the same dilemma. Before I got a whiff of this deal, we had a plan to replace our old OUtback with a slightly used one sometime next year. So when I saw those US deals I thought for a while whether to jump in now or wait till next year as planned. I decided to do it now, mostly since you never know whether Subaru will not follow other car manufactures in trying to restrict sales to Canadians. They have already changed their warranty structure for 2008 models to importers' detriment, who knows what is next?

The currency fluctuations are not a big deal. If you know you are going to be buying for sure you can hedge yourself properly now. But I don't believe the prices in Canada will be falling fast: they will come down but not that much. Simply speaking, Canadians are still too timid to negotiate and take advantages of deals, and importing a car is still too much hassle for 90% of us.

rafku

Good to hear people are buying cars cheaper, but I don't understand why the big rush.

1. sooner or later canadian pricing will come down.
2. US economy will continue to decline and their dollar will get weaker (unless they start another war) = better exchange rate for us.

So in my opinion it's better to wait for a while until the dust settles...

[Lost Horizon]

I thought I would ask the question....why has Subaru become the poster child for importing US vehicles ?

In fact, having compared all of the manufacturer's US and Canadian pricing, Subaru actually has some of the biggest price differentials. One could argue they are one of the worst offenders of cross-border pricing arbitrage.

Is supporting them a good idea simply because they allow un-hindered exports ?

Yes. And + (to my initial surprise) they make a great product.. bonus! I would (now) argue that they are under priced in the US .. :cheesygri

[whampoa]

I thought I would ask the question....why has Subaru become the poster child for importing US vehicles ?

In fact, having compared all of the manufacturer's US and Canadian pricing, Subaru actually has some of the biggest price differentials. One could argue they are one of the worst offenders of cross-border pricing arbitrage.

Is supporting them a good idea simply because they allow un-hindered exports ?

You basically answered your own question. Subaru is the poster child because they allow un-hindered export, for now.

It doesn't matter if they have the biggest price differentials. Since you're not buying in Canada, anyways. For that alone, more of a reason to buy in US.

[Bullseye]

In fact, having compared all of the manufacturer's US and Canadian pricing, Subaru actually has some of the biggest price differentials. One could argue they are one of the worst offenders of cross-border pricing arbitrage.

I did think of that. My rationale behind choosing to purchase an Outback regardless was this...a new Outback with quite a few features in the US is $22k (before freight or taxes), so what else will $22k buy me down there? I didn't find anything I liked as much, although we did strongly consider a nearly-new Sienna as well.

Edited to add - if anyone does know of a new US vehicle that has AWD, Auto, A/C, similar cargo space, and good resale value, for $22k or less, I'd be curious to hear!

[Bullseye]

I had the same dilemma. Before I got a whiff of this deal, we had a plan to replace our old OUtback with a slightly used one sometime next year.

No manufacturer has banned the sale of used vehicles to Canadians, so if your plan was to buy used anyways, there was/is no rush. It's very likely that you will always be allowed to buy used in the US.

[newlegacyowner]

Good to hear people are buying cars cheaper, but I don't understand why the big rush.

1. sooner or later canadian pricing will come down.
2. US economy will continue to decline and their dollar will get weaker (unless they start another war) = better exchange rate for us.

So in my opinion it's better to wait for a while until the dust settles...

For those that have already returned their leased car, that simply isn't an option. I was 50% way through a deal with Honda when they changed their policy, so I needed a new car. Subaru had one to offer a very happy Canadian, and I bought it.

[newlegacyowner]

I thought I would ask the question....why has Subaru become the poster child for importing US vehicles ?

In fact, having compared all of the manufacturer's US and Canadian pricing, Subaru actually has some of the biggest price differentials. One could argue they are one of the worst offenders of cross-border pricing arbitrage.

Is supporting them a good idea simply because they allow un-hindered exports ?

In my case, for the 22K that I had, I could get a Canadian Civic without any goodies (Honda doesn't have any 2008 5 speed civics built yet, they want to sell Automatics only for now), or a Legacy Sedan with AWD, Moonroof and all kinds of nice goodies. Easy choice. And to make it even easier, Xan at Manchester Subaru does all the paperwork and steps you right through it. Was a very easy transaction.

[newbe777]

You basically answered your own question. Subaru is the poster child because they allow un-hindered export, for now.

It doesn't matter if they have the biggest price differentials. Since you're not buying in Canada, anyways. For that alone, more of a reason to buy in US.

I have been watching this site for a couple of days now and it boggles my mind how the RIV and Transportation Canada operate! Cars that are completely safe to operate are being turned away at the border because of "big" car boys trying to protect their markets yet our subsidized airlines still manufacture planes that can't land (Bombardizer) and our food inspection agency allows all kinds of poor quality food into the country without any proper checks....( CTV W5 Sunday night)

Try asking Kellogs if their cereal contains any products from China? They can't answer the question. No supply chain tracking. As long as the product is assembled or packaged in Canada it is labeled "made in Canada"!

Maybe the Government should be moving some of the resources around and start using some common sense!

[bionicbadger]

I thought I would ask the question....why has Subaru become the poster child for importing US vehicles ?


1. Because its easy to import a subaru.
2. We have winter, people like AWD so they get stuck less
3. Subaru has a fairly high quality/reliabile product


hey have already changed their warranty structure for 2008 models to importers' detriment
The 2008 warranty thing is actually not a detriment. It makes it easy on the subaru dealers/shops here. The customer is the one who has to deal with the Subaru of America to get their money back, not the dealer, so there is no reason for the dealer to hum and haw and argue about warranty work. plus you get airmiles or cashback or whatever your credit card gives you for the work done.

[frankmp]

For those that were thinking of importing an 08 Vette (like me):mad:, I see OCt 26th's (the latest) admissible list now specifically lists the 2008 coupe/vert and Z06 as INADMISSIBLE. And GM still does'nt list any 08 model cars as admissible. What's with this? I see 08 Vette's in dealer stock locally and I did'nt think the 08 had any safety related changes over the other c6's.

Well might be time to reconsider getting myself an 07 before they change that too. ( and yes I'm aware of the bumper mod requirements and the delay in warranty)............


Frank

[dotcalamitie]

I love my 2008 US Tribeca Subaru. It feels great driving a car that I paid $12,000 less than other people paid. I tip my hat to Subaru...they make a great car. I have had zero defects so far. No need for any warranty claims whatsoever after almost two weeks of ownership and 600 miles. My only beef is that I'm too cheap to spend $400 to convert the odometer and gauge to km. Life is tough. I'm advertising it in Autotrader shortly for $36,000. Anyone want to buy it let me know. Once I sell it I'm going to go back for another, I think a BMW this time to thank Lindsay for his pitch last Friday.

[Bullseye]

FYI - for the recall letter, you will need the actual print out, not just the letter. I just sent in the letter, and RIV denied it. Van Bortel gave me the print out, but I didn't think they needed that for RIV.

[rafku]

No manufacturer has banned the sale of used vehicles to Canadians, so if your plan was to buy used anyways, there was/is no rush. It's very likely that you will always be allowed to buy used in the US.


True enough. I forgot to mention we decided to buy a new one: buying used one long-distance is too much hassle. And the list of car makers forbidding the border dealers from selling to Cad is getting longer by the day. There is also a Recall Clearance letter which the manufactures can make a pain to obtain: this applies to used cars as much as to new ones.

I also forgot another factor for rushing it a bit. If this continues Subaru dealers close to the borders may start getting majority of their business from CAN side and they could start increasing their prices soon (I know some of them are reading this so I haste to add that I would not consider it improper as long as it is done in honest and transparent fashion. It is simply law of supply and demand. Dealers are not in business of rescuing Canadians from themselves, they're in business, period). But we are probably not that close to the tipping point: from my one-time experience, there seems to be quite a bit of competition remaining even in the border region. :)

[dotcalamitie]

If the Car companies are holding us up for ransom, that is what government is for. To protect the people. You simply need to lobby your MP to change the import laws. I don't see any reason why individuals should be held up for ransom by the car companies.

[sb_tor]

according to admissibility list for Honda, following are admissible:
2008 Acura TSX
2008 Acura TL
2008 Acura RL
2008 Honda S2000
2008 Honda Element
2008 Honda Pilot

other 2008 models are inadmissible. sounds strange. are they making separate Civics for US and Canada from this year? ... sounds like Honda is trying to keep some high volume models out of the list.

[Ebola]

I have been watching this site for a couple of days now and it boggles my mind how the RIV and Transportation Canada operate! Cars that are completely safe to operate are being turned away at the border because of "big" car boys trying to protect their markets yet our subsidized airlines still manufacture planes that can't land (Bombardizer) and our food inspection agency allows all kinds of poor quality food into the country without any proper checks....( CTV W5 Sunday night)

Try asking Kellogs if their cereal contains any products from China? They can't answer the question. No supply chain tracking. As long as the product is assembled or packaged in Canada it is labeled "made in Canada"!

Maybe the Government should be moving some of the resources around and start using some common sense!

haha.. based on my experience , common sense doesn't exist. Not for the government, and not in the general public.

[Lost Horizon]

according to admissibility list for Honda, following are admissible:
2008 Acura TSX
2008 Acura TL
2008 Acura RL
2008 Honda S2000
2008 Honda Element
2008 Honda Pilot

other 2008 models are inadmissible. sounds strange. are they making separate Civics for US and Canada from this year? ... sounds like Honda is trying to keep some high volume models out of the list.

Civics are manufactured in Canada as well as the US.. big problem for the Canadian cost of production also..

[dotcalamitie]

BTW, Lindsay Duffield CEO of BMW Canada is a liar. He stated that it was about time Porsche brought their prices into line with BMW and the rest of the industry when Porsche dropped their prices this year. In fact PRIOR to the Porsche price drop, Porsche's average vehicle price was 24.7% higher than the US prices which is less than BMW's 25.4% higher than the US average vehicle price. After Porsche dropped their prices, their average vehicle price was exactly 21% higher than Porsche USA (CDN list/US list).

So Lindsays statement that it was about time Porsche brought their prices in line with BMW and "the rest of us" was both misleading and a lie. BMW's markup over US prices were higher, on average, than Porsches prices before and after Porsche dropped their prices. In fact Porsche had the best comparative prices across the border prior to their price drop when compared to BMW and Mercedes.

In my data points I included most models to calculate the average. If I take out the BMW X3, which is an almost reasonable 16% above US list here in Canada (not factoring in the exchange rate, but CDN dollar over US dollar), BMW's average vehicle price was even higher.

[holders]

Honda must be trying to screwing up potential importers... wtf... I thought SUV are excluded from this admissibility list, so what about Acura RDX & MDX & Honda CR-V?

according to admissibility list for Honda, following are admissible:
2008 Acura TSX
2008 Acura TL
2008 Acura RL
2008 Honda S2000
2008 Honda Element
2008 Honda Pilot

other 2008 models are inadmissible. sounds strange. are they making separate Civics for US and Canada from this year? ... sounds like Honda is trying to keep some high volume models out of the list.

[sb_tor]

Honda must be trying to screwing up potential importers... wtf... I thought SUV are excluded from this admissibility list, why is the Pilot on the inadmissible list.

The pilot is admissible. The list is for admissible vehicles.

[sb_tor]

Civics are manufactured in Canada as well as the US.. big problem for the Canadian cost of production also..

I thought they were assembled only at Alliston,ON. But could be wrong.
My point is: the Civic has not changed for 2008. if the 2007 Civic was admissible into Canada, why not 2008.

[newlegacyowner]

Honda must be trying to screwing up potential importers... wtf... I thought SUV are excluded from this admissibility list, so what about Acura RDX & MDX & Honda CR-V?

Honda is arrogant. When I was looking for a CR-V, I needed a US built one to import before Honda decided not to sell to canadians. What Honda does is take advantage of the free trade and ship ALL north american built CRVs to Canada. Then they import the Japanese ones to the USA. This prevents casual purchase of CRVs into Canada due to the 6.5% duty required. This was reported to me by a US dealer that was quite upset at having his market limited by Honda, but powerless to do anything about it.

So, buy something else and thats the only way that honda will get the message. Thats what I did.

[reddy54]

Am I correct in assuming that the Honda CRV is admissible under section 5 of the RIV list notwithstanding the fact that Honda does not include the vehicle as admissible in section 3?

[Xinc]

I have been watching this site for a couple of days now and it boggles my mind how the RIV and Transportation Canada operate! Cars that are completely safe to operate are being turned away at the border because of "big" car boys trying to protect their markets yet our subsidized airlines still manufacture planes that can't land (Bombardizer) and our food inspection agency allows all kinds of poor quality food into the country without any proper checks....( CTV W5 Sunday night)

Try asking Kellogs if their cereal contains any products from China? They can't answer the question. No supply chain tracking. As long as the product is assembled or packaged in Canada it is labeled "made in Canada"!

Maybe the Government should be moving some of the resources around and start using some common sense!

Well said my lad! I still can't believe we just turned down Siemens and bought Bombard's overpriced lackluster streetcars.... We all know they're going to Bomb someday, but I guess we have to keep the hard working train-repair men hard at work + happy eh?

As for the over flood of 3rd grade Chinese products, I can't help feeling the communists have exported all of their 3rd grade products oversees... I've lived in China for many years, gone back visiting for quite a few times (with the most recent being in 2005), and even I don't recognize half of the brands that's being sold here... Not to mention any supermarket from a mid-sized city is 10X better and cleaner than the "chinese supermarkets" we have here. Mark my words for it, and anyone here who has been to china can be my witness.

[PHANTOMPHOENIX]

1 Cad = 1.04914 Usd

;)

[p110232]

In my data points I included most models to calculate the average. If I take out the BMW X3, which is an almost reasonable 16% above US list here in Canada (not factoring in the exchange rate, but CDN dollar over US dollar), BMW's average vehicle price was even higher.

Since you brought up the X3, I just want to point out that in the US, the X3 comes in only one trim level, that is X3 3.0si with a base price of $38,000. Here however, the X3 3.0si trim has a base price of $51,100, making our prices here 25.6% more expensive for an equivalent model.

Come to think of it, the Canadian spec entry-level X3 3.0 BASE model is MORE expensive than the TOP-level spec from US... HOW UNFAIR IS THAT! :mad:

[whampoa]

:arrowu: I'm at a loss for words if anyone think paying cash for a new car in Canada is a good deal!

Something have to give, and right now if you decide to buy in Canada, you're better off buying used, lease or wait for better pricing.

[dotcalamitie]

well p11032, I guess that makes the CEO of BMW Canada an even bigger slimey used car type than ever. I get the willies now just thinking about BMW. What kind of a clown gets up and belittles Porsche for lowering their prices lower when Porsches prices were lower to begin with??? You have to say, Porsche is a class act for not rebutting Duffields comments. As a long term 6 figure Beemer customer, those donkeys aren't getting my business any more. Go Flames go! What an *******...to think I've been supporting that outfit all these years.

[st7860]

Not to mention any supermarket from a mid-sized city is 10X better and cleaner than the "chinese supermarkets" we have here. Mark my words for it, and anyone here who has been to china can be my witness.

You haven't been to T&T supermarket?

[chekel]

according to admissibility list for Honda, following are admissible:
2008 Acura TSX
2008 Acura TL
2008 Acura RL
2008 Honda S2000
2008 Honda Element
2008 Honda Pilot

other 2008 models are inadmissible. sounds strange. are they making separate Civics for US and Canada from this year? ... sounds like Honda is trying to keep some high volume models out of the list.

I don't get to the point that if both US and Canada civics are made in Canada and have the same spec. Why it's not on the list. Am I missing something here?

[HoTiCE_]

Something funny came up as I was browsing my gmails...

A US Infiniti dealer took out an adword ad with this tagline:

What Canadian dealers don't want you to know - Average Savings 9000$

Here's the link for ppl wanting to import INFINITI:

http://www.lupientinfiniti.com/MiscPage_13?siteMapItemName=1675101188067430154&gclid=CKD0j973tI8CFQROagodk0MFTA

[whampoa]

I don't get to the point that if both US and Canada civics are made in Canada and have the same spec. Why it's not on the list. Am I missing something here?

Yes, it's called dumping, collusion, fraud, etc.

And I said let those guys keep at it. More ammunitions for those who file discrimination and class actions lawsuits when it goes to court.

[P5Pimpin]

Hi Everyone,

Very long time listener, Since day one actually. 1st time posting!
I would like to say what a great job everyone has been doing to keep this thread active. I'm blown away with the amount of traffic RFD's has been getting great work everyone!

I'm in the process of negotiating a deal on a 2008 Acura MDX Sport and Entertainment Package for the US. Just days away. I called RIV twice. The 1st person I spoke to said that even though the MDX, RDX are not on the Honda/Acura Admissibility list that I can still import the car under Section 5.3 "Multipurpose Passenger Vehicles (MPV) the only thing I need to confirm is that it meets the CMVSS 114 regulation. Reading on Acura's website the vehicle already comes with the locking and immobilization system. So that was it I'm ready to purchase.

Thinking to myself that was too easy I thought I should double check and call again! Round 2, I called and had someone else on the phone. They asked for my 1st and last name again. Told them what car I was looking to import. They put me on hold. After 2 minutes she comes back and tells me that I cannot import it due to it not meeting CMVSS 114 regulation. I would have to contact Honda of Canada to get more information.

I would like to know if someone has already brought back a '08 MDX or RDX successfully? From what I've been reading and asking around I'm getting mixed reviews. My understanding is that I should be able to import it under section 5.3 but when I get the paperwork back from RIV and take it to CDN Tire they will just look at the checklist and when they get to the locking and immobilization system I will show them that the car is already chipped and its clearly stated in the owners manual and I should be on my way. Any thoughts on this? Should it work?

Good luck Everyone!
Dragan




Honda must be trying to screwing up potential importers... wtf... I thought SUV are excluded from this admissibility list, so what about Acura RDX & MDX & Honda CR-V?

[tico 1948]

Congradulation! Which border office did you croass? Will all places accept scanned one instead of original? Thanks.

Crossed at Calais, Maine to St. Stephens, New Brunswick. I don't know if other locations accept Scanned copies, but they sure look original. I don't think a Beautiful Scanned copy rather than an Original copy will be a hassle for U.S. Customs.Just my opinion and I know it worked for me. I even told the Calais Border Point that it was a scanned copy of the Original that they were receiving. Didn't seem to matter to them. Just so long as they had a good, clear copy, with a Legible Serial #.

[Trexim]

Crossed at Calais, Maine to St. Stephens, New Brunswick. I don't know if other locations accept Scanned copies, but they sure look original. I don't think a Beautiful Scanned copy rather than an Original copy will be a hassle for U.S. Customs.Just my opinion and I know it worked for me. I even told the Calais Border Point that it was a scanned copy of the Original that they were receiving. Didn't seem to matter to them. Just so long as they had a good, clear copy, with a Legible Serial #.

Did you rent a one-way car to Manchester? Where did you drop it off? Did Xan send someone to pick you up?

Thanks

[dotcalamitie]

P5Pimpin, keep us posted on your MDX experience! Good luck in your purchase, it's an awesome vehicle for sure. I was thinking the Flaherty should open the doors and drop the red tape on importing vehicles and goods into Canada... 1) it would help the dollar situation by allowing Canadians to buy up US dollars as they purchase vehicles and goods... 2) it would help speed up the process of price adjustment in Canada.

Even if they just opened the gate up for a month it would bring change. Remove the red tape for consumers to purchase vehicles and goods.

[jzy]

If we have to courier the original title to the border 72 hours in advance.

How do we bring it to the DMV for a trip permit (original title needs to be shown) in the US? Would we have to stop by the border again in the US, to pick up the original title?

I have the same question: the port that I will be passing through wants the original title sent to them and to get a Ontario temporary permit, I also need to show them the original copy. So I called a local licensing bureau who essentially told me that even though technically you need a permit for each juristication you will be driving through, people do it all the time with out-of-province temporary permits, so as long as your dealer can arrange a US temporary permit for you, you should be fine.

[p110232]

Something funny came up as I was browsing my gmails...

A US Infiniti dealer took out an adword ad with this tagline:

What Canadian dealers don't want you to know - Average Savings 9000$

Here's the link for ppl wanting to import INFINITI:

http://www.lupientinfiniti.com/MiscPage_13?siteMapItemName=1675101188067430154&gclid=CKD0j973tI8CFQROagodk0MFTA

This is exciting news! Since Infiniti competes directly with the german brands, I'm guessing we will witness some form of brand migration if the germans don't change their stance.

hmm... a G35x and an M35x seems more and more attractive now

[dotcalamitie]

I was just checking some car prices and REALIZED. Some car companies have actually got the gall to RAISE prices on 2008 models over their 2007 models. Do you believe this? I even found examples of US prices going down and CDN going up on a few 2008 cars. UNBELIEVABLE. But true. Dotcalamitie's believe it or not.

[agepag]

Well I guess this is how Canadian and US automakers are going to stop us from buying cars and bringing them over the boarder! Its total horseshit!!! This country never lets the little guy get ahead. Buy used! Its the only way to go for now....

[J233]

Just days away. I called RIV twice. The 1st person I spoke to said that even though the MDX, RDX are not on the Honda/Acura Admissibility list that I can still import the car under Section 5.3 "Multipurpose Passenger Vehicles (MPV) the only thing I need to confirm is that it meets the CMVSS 114 regulation. Reading on Acura's website the vehicle already comes with the locking and immobilization system. So that was it I'm ready to purchase.

Thinking to myself that was too easy I thought I should double check and call again! Round 2, I called and had someone else on the phone. They asked for my 1st and last name again. Told them what car I was looking to import. They put me on hold. After 2 minutes she comes back and tells me that I cannot import it due to it not meeting CMVSS 114 regulation. I would have to contact Honda of Canada to get more information.

Dragan
That's the thing....same challenge with 2008 Saturn Outlook/GMC Acadia for me. I hear once that yes, as long as the vehicle comes with the immobilizer that meets the CMVSS 114 regulation I will be fine, another time I hear that I should wait for GM to update their 2008 portion of the list for passenger cars. The bottom line is that nobody seems to know what the CMVSS 114 regulations wr immobilizers are so it is impossible to crossreference that info with what your OEM product specs. Assuming that Acura makes top cars they should also equip them with top notch immobilizers, right ? How tough that CMVSS 114 specs can be ? How can two immobilizers be different in what they suppouse to do ?

[sb_tor]

Looks like this lists the CMVSS 114 amendment (to include immobilizers):

http://canadagazette.gc.ca/partII/2005/20050309/html/sor45-e.html

here is an extract:
The Department of Transport (the Department) is amending Canada Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (CMVSS) 114, which is part of the Motor Vehicle Safety Regulations (MVSR) (see footnote 2). The purpose of this amendment is to require that vehicles be equipped with anti-theft immobilization devices. More specifically, the Department is requiring that all vehicles with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of less than 4,536 kg, except emergency vehicles, be equipped with an immobilization system that, at the option of the manufacturer, meets one of the following standards:

National Standard of Canada CAN/ULC-S338-98, entitled Standard for Automobile Theft Deterrent Equipment and Systems: Electronic Immobilization (May 1998), published by the Underwriters' Laboratories of Canada (ULC); OR
Part III of United Nations Economic Commission for Europe (UNECE) Regulation No. 97, entitled Uniform Provisions Concerning the Approval of Vehicle Alarm Systems (VAS) and of Motor Vehicles with Regard to Their Alarm Systems (AS), dated October 14, 2002.

Mandating the installation of immobilization systems is expected to improve road safety by reducing vehicle theft, especially theft involving young offenders.

[tuzzi]

This is exciting news! Since Infiniti competes directly with the german brands, I'm guessing we will witness some form of brand migration if the germans don't change their stance.

hmm... a G35x and an M35x seems more and more attractive now

Yes it is good news. Unfortunately some of the Washington State Infiniti Dealers are know telling me they will sell me a car, but they will be charging me $1,200.00 "for export fees on our end, installing your daytime running lights, and handling the export paperwork"

That is a direct quote. First it was $1,000.00 now its 1,200.00 Again a cash grab IMHO

[WalterQ]

Has anyone any experience with the Engine Immobilizer requirement with a Hyundai Santa Fe?

[hotgo]

I have read almost every page of this thread from back when we were first talking about it, and now that I'm close to doing this myself, there is one thing I don't understand. Maybe someone here can enlighten me.

If I purchase a new/used vehicle with is on the admissability list, how do I know what "modifications" need to be made prior to registering it in Canada. Does Canadian Tire have some global list of all the mods required for each make/model? I called the manufacturer, and they told me to call a dealer. But really, it's CT that is doing the inspection... what list do they go by.

I am toying with a used Audi Allroad or A4 Avant and am concerned about bumper requirements.

Any help in this would be much appreciated.

[ecgz88]

Don't bother, Wahington just have 2 Infiniti Dealer and they actually belong to same company, so price is high in NW.....


Yes it is good news. Unfortunately some of the Washington State Infiniti Dealers are know telling me they will sell me a car, but they will be charging me $1,200.00 "for export fees on our end, installing your daytime running lights, and handling the export paperwork"

That is a direct quote. First it was $1,000.00 now its 1,200.00 Again a cash grab IMHO

[Louist]

Sadly we must live 2nd class to the poorer Americans, but with a larger and larger %age of cars being sold as used...the problem worsens.

If a small amount of new cars do sell and a glut of used cars imported on the cheap, when the used leases do come back and have to fight with an even larger mass of used 2nd and 3rd time round cheap american cars...yeow!

Manufacturers will get hurt worse the longer this problem goes on....unless our dollar goes back to 70 cents...and that is say? 15 years away. Expect to see MANY new car dealerships bancrupt when the car crunch hits in 2010. The steady flow of barely used aka 2000miles cars to Canada at the prices of dealers 3 yr old olds will be relentless, flooding the market, then super saturating the market, then the next year deflating even further. We will have a country where the "deviant" give the gougers the finger and buy new South of here, with the mass majority buying 40% off almost new American cars. I am going to make fancy "will work for food signs", as the demand for them might just get me rich quick in 3 more years.

Better sell your stealerships now while you can....the ghetto scenario is very real in this kind of economic trade scenario. Oh wait ...the gougers could allways say if you can't beat em join em, and move to the USA to sell the new ones...while we buy the cast of used ones for massive savings.

[Lost Horizon]

...
Better sell your stealerships now while you can....the ghetto scenario is very real in this kind of economic trade scenario. Oh wait ...the gougers could allways say if you can't beat em join em, and move to the USA to sell the new ones...while we buy the cast of used ones for massive savings.

Actually, the dealers are in on the conspiracy.. they are hauling freight north for their lots as we write. Funny how they criticize the customer on the one hand, and do the same dance on the other..

[tico 1948]

Did you rent a one-way car to Manchester? Where did you drop it off? Did Xan send someone to pick you up?

Thanks
Nope, Drove down in my wife's Mazda 3 GT, took Mom-in-law too. New Hampshire is too good a sales tax haven to pass up an opportunity to shop at the Factory Outlet Stores in North Conway. Good thing 2 vehicles returned in order to carry all the booty. It wasn't hard to buy your limit and get a whole boatload of nifty stuff. :D

[kidda]

I was wondering about the border crossing on Weekend. Is it posible, if i fax the Title on Thursday and cross the border on Sunday. Lewiston Bridge??

[crasher]

I was wondering about the border crossing on Weekend. Is it posible, if i fax the Title on Thursday and cross the border on Sunday. Lewiston Bridge??

M-F 8:00-16:00

[cinqhoda]

If the Car companies are holding us up for ransom, that is what government is for. To protect the people. You simply need to lobby your MP to change the import laws. I don't see any reason why individuals should be held up for ransom by the car companies.

Better yet, change the Canadian Vehicle standards to more closely match those of the US. I don't think that there could be much difference between 5 km/h and 8 km/h bumpers, at least not $10k and up.

[Dreyfus]

I made some inquiries which leads me to believe that the financing arms of the manufacturers will get the brunt of collapsing "residual values". The banks have contracts that limit their liability and will suffer very little. Smaller leasing and financing companies including dealers have some exposure but it is difficult to gauge the extent of their liability. This explains the tenaciousness of the mfrs in protecting their Canadian turf. It could be that Canadian dealers are pressuring their suppliers for equality with their US counterparts. In any case their line of least resistance will be to lobby Canada's "new govt." to rewrite the regulations and turn RIV into the Refuse Import Vehicles agency. Look carefully at what politicians do and pay little attention to what they say.
Keep on comparison shopping.

[tuzzi]

Don't bother, Wahington just have 2 Infiniti Dealer and they actually belong to same company, so price is high in NW.....

Any suggestions on a dealership? Farther south in Oregon? East to Idaho?

[Louist]

Canada's "new govt." to rewrite the regulations and turn RIV into the Refuse Import Vehicles agency. Look carefully at what politicians do and pay little attention to what they say.


Hence the Canada used car meca. No one will buy a new car unless they are openly looking for a status symbol, that reads...I paid 20K too much...because I can!!

For the rest well lets hope the used ones are very slightly used. The rich dude can have a new camery, while I drive a half priced BMW for the same dollar outlay. Although new car status may carry more weight against keeping up with the nieghbours....sad world this is.

[dotcalamitie]

I agree Louist. You know, for the first time average Canadians can now afford to drive cars that are as good as the average American. Instead, the average Canadian continues to get fed the crap box and the stealership owners and head office guys drive the Top of the Line. I wouldn't have a problem with this, because I am a capitalist after all, but because the governments and car companies conspire to restrict our ability to bring cars over the border I have a huge problem with this. And as someone else mentioned, yes the dealers are bringing in truckloads of used US cars and yes they are making a killing. A friend of mine owns a few dealerships, and he is making more money than he has ever made his whole life (and he makes a lot of lot of money like most of the dealers I know). But it's not on the new cars, it's on his used cars from the USA. Ride 'em cowboy.

[J233]

Looks like this lists the CMVSS 114 amendment (to include immobilizers):

http://canadagazette.gc.ca/partII/2005/20050309/html/sor45-e.html

here is an extract:
The Department of Transport (the Department) is amending Canada Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (CMVSS) 114, which is part of the Motor Vehicle Safety Regulations (MVSR) (see footnote 2). The purpose of this amendment is to require that vehicles be equipped with anti-theft immobilization devices. More specifically, the Department is requiring that all vehicles with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of less than 4,536 kg, except emergency vehicles, be equipped with an immobilization system that, at the option of the manufacturer, meets one of the following standards:

National Standard of Canada CAN/ULC-S338-98, entitled Standard for Automobile Theft Deterrent Equipment and Systems: Electronic Immobilization (May 1998), published by the Underwriters' Laboratories of Canada (ULC); OR
Part III of United Nations Economic Commission for Europe (UNECE) Regulation No. 97, entitled Uniform Provisions Concerning the Approval of Vehicle Alarm Systems (VAS) and of Motor Vehicles with Regard to Their Alarm Systems (AS), dated October 14, 2002.

Mandating the installation of immobilization systems is expected to improve road safety by reducing vehicle theft, especially theft involving young offenders.

Yeah..I saw that too. It's not the specs but anyway...the interesting part is that it looks like the CMVSS 144 amendment is based on some standard from 1998 ! I have a hard time following the logic that the immobilizer system installed in a 2008 Acura does not conform to a 1998 standard....

[dotcalamitie]

We need a recipricol law in both the US and Canada put in place that states that no company may dictate who their customer shall be based on country of origin or habitat. Laws put in place to protect competition and consumers. I am a huge fan of Milton Friedman and freedom of choice is paramount to our success. The current situation sees capitalism out of control and the left wing government standing there inadvertently protecting capitalism with their consumer laws. The governments need a kick in the butt.

[uwbill]

For those of you who imported from Van Bortel Subaru, does the car have front license plate??? Thanks.

[jadeboy]

according to admissibility list for Honda, following are admissible:
2008 Acura TSX
2008 Acura TL
2008 Acura RL
2008 Honda S2000
2008 Honda Element
2008 Honda Pilot

other 2008 models are inadmissible. sounds strange. are they making separate Civics for US and Canada from this year? ... sounds like Honda is trying to keep some high volume models out of the list.

Those bastard! Honda are at least on the list 2008.
Volvo has "1992 TO 2008 All other models" admissible.
GM also updated with inadmissible

Now Toyota/Lexus.. NOTHING - Absolutely NOTHING!

Not only that.. I read this on Edmund from one user:

"I have just been informed that the new policy at Toyota USA is that they will NOT issue any letter of complience as of now and that 2008 cannot be imported. Any one who was caught in the process of waiting for this letter or riv listing is in a mess. I cannot register this car, cannot drive it as the temporary transit plate is expired, am told that it will never be legal. I cannot sell it in Canada, and cannot drive it across the border to sell it. Toyota USA customer service as been told to tell us that their policy as always been to discourage imports (which is a lie as they have been listing will the riv every year until this one and when I called Toyota USA before and after purchasing the car was always told to be patient that the complience letter would be cleared up soon) Well now they have decided how to clear it up and those of us who were told to be patient are now being told that they are not to deal with us any longer and that our problem is with the dealer who sold the car to us. "

Can anymore confirmed this?

[jadeboy]

I thought they were assembled only at Alliston,ON. But could be wrong.
My point is: the Civic has not changed for 2008. if the 2007 Civic was admissible into Canada, why not 2008.

You should phone Transport Canada and not phone riv.ca to get the answer. But this is what they will said.. "The process is voluntary... the manufacture can request a vehicle not to be on the admissible list"

[jnmontario]

I'm curious, if most Honda 2008's are indamissable, what happens when the a@@hole dealerships up here decide to buy the used 2008 fleet of Hondas from the US at the end of next year and pawn them off at ridiculously high prices here? Perhaps after 1 yr. they'll go on the admissible list then. This leaves such a bad taste in my mouth. The sad thing is there is nothing we can do about it because our lawmakers side with big business usually because they're lobbied.

*grinds teeth*

Those bastard! Honda are at least on the list 2008.
Volvo has "1992 TO 2008 All other models" admissible.
GM also updated with inadmissible

Now Toyota/Lexus.. NOTHING - Absolutely NOTHING!

Not only that.. I read this on Edmund from one user:

"I have just been informed that the new policy at Toyota USA is that they will NOT issue any letter of complience as of now and that 2008 cannot be imported. Any one who was caught in the process of waiting for this letter or riv listing is in a mess. I cannot register this car, cannot drive it as the temporary transit plate is expired, am told that it will never be legal. I cannot sell it in Canada, and cannot drive it across the border to sell it. Toyota USA customer service as been told to tell us that their policy as always been to discourage imports (which is a lie as they have been listing will the riv every year until this one and when I called Toyota USA before and after purchasing the car was always told to be patient that the complience letter would be cleared up soon) Well now they have decided how to clear it up and those of us who were told to be patient are now being told that they are not to deal with us any longer and that our problem is with the dealer who sold the car to us. "

Can anymore confirmed this?

[dealcatcher]

Hi Everyone,

Very long time listener, Since day one actually. 1st time posting!
I would like to say what a great job everyone has been doing to keep this thread active. I'm blown away with the amount of traffic RFD's has been getting great work everyone!

I'm in the process of negotiating a deal on a 2008 Acura MDX Sport and Entertainment Package for the US. Just days away. I called RIV twice. The 1st person I spoke to said that even though the MDX, RDX are not on the Honda/Acura Admissibility list that I can still import the car under Section 5.3 "Multipurpose Passenger Vehicles (MPV) the only thing I need to confirm is that it meets the CMVSS 114 regulation. Reading on Acura's website the vehicle already comes with the locking and immobilization system. So that was it I'm ready to purchase.

Thinking to myself that was too easy I thought I should double check and call again! Round 2, I called and had someone else on the phone. They asked for my 1st and last name again. Told them what car I was looking to import. They put me on hold. After 2 minutes she comes back and tells me that I cannot import it due to it not meeting CMVSS 114 regulation. I would have to contact Honda of Canada to get more information.

I would like to know if someone has already brought back a '08 MDX or RDX successfully? From what I've been reading and asking around I'm getting mixed reviews. My understanding is that I should be able to import it under section 5.3 but when I get the paperwork back from RIV and take it to CDN Tire they will just look at the checklist and when they get to the locking and immobilization system I will show them that the car is already chipped and its clearly stated in the owners manual and I should be on my way. Any thoughts on this? Should it work?

Good luck Everyone!
Dragan


This is strange, MDX is made in canada and RIV doesn't allow them to import back to canada?!

how can it be exported to the US previously?

[wally_walrus]

I'm curious, if most Honda 2008's are indamissable, what happens when the a@@hole dealerships up here decide to buy the used 2008 fleet of Hondas from the US at the end of next year and pawn them off at ridiculously high prices here? Perhaps after 1 yr. they'll go on the admissible list then. This leaves such a bad taste in my mouth. The sad thing is there is nothing we can do about it because our lawmakers side with big business usually because they're lobbied.

*grinds teeth*


We can only do one thing - NOT BUY new cars UNLESS really need to. I know I'm holding off my purchase as much as I can. Also spreading the word about possible price cuts helps

[SIN-7]

Man, I'm so confused now. I have purchased a 2008 Toyota Tacoma, and in the process of importing into Canada.

So Now I hear I can't register it in Canada without a letter of admissibility?

Does this only apply to Toyota cars?

[jadeboy]

Man, I'm so confused now. I have purchased a 2008 Toyota Tacoma, and in the process of importing into Canada.

So Now I hear I can't register it in Canada without a letter of admissibility?

Does this only apply to Toyota cars?

Yes... you need to phone Toyota USA... see what they said and confirm if or if not they will issue you a recall letter so you can get it register. Then phone riv.ca if Toyota USA will not issue the letter and ask them what to do.

[Bullseye]

For those of you who imported from Van Bortel Subaru, does the car have front license plate??? Thanks.

Not sure what you mean, the car won't have plates until you put them on after importing. If you mean is there a place for a front plate, then yes, there is. Van Bortel even put a license plate holder on, I guess because they know we have front plates in Ontario.

[SIN-7]

Yes... you need to phone Toyota USA... see what they said and confirm if or if not they will issue you a recall letter so you can get it register. Then phone riv.ca if Toyota USA will not issue the letter and ask them what to do.


I have the recall paperwork. Does that mean I don't need the letter of admissibility?

[reddy54]

I have the recall paperwork. Does that mean I don't need the letter of admissibility?

The Honda Pilot is admissible along with the Element on the latest Riv list. All others inadmissible. Wouldn't the pilot have qualified anyway under section 5.3 of the list.

[joejack]

Don't think the delay will be a problem, looked like US customs is keeping a separate folder for each day (all about 2" thick!) of faxes. Just tell them the day it was faxed, and they will pull that days folder.

Calling to verify is hit and miss, they are so busy that they often just ignore the phone. I'd say first thing in the morning would be best, probably.

Can someone please point me to where I can find the Lewiston Bridge US Custom Border crossing fax number as well as the phone number for verification?

Thanks.

[jmlleung]

The Honda Pilot is admissible along with the Element on the latest Riv list. All others inadmissible. Wouldn't the pilot have qualified anyway under section 5.3 of the list.
Does it mean that I can't import a 2008 Honda Odyssey even if the dealer is willing to sell to Canadian?

[DSTU]

Can someone please point me to where I can find the Lewiston Bridge US Custom Border crossing fax number as well as the phone number for verification?

Thanks.

Hello Dear Friend, did you happen to come across post xxxx?

Search !!!!!

I took out the post # - don't want to make it too easy.

[BeeBee]

Hello Dear Friend, did you happen to come across post xxxx?

Search !!!!!

I took out the post # - don't want to make it too easy.

Hint: check out DSTU's previous post. ;)

[reddy54]

Does it mean that I can't import a 2008 Honda Odyssey even if the dealer is willing to sell to Canadian?

I believe that the Odyssey will qualify under section 5.3 but check with RIV at least a couple of times to be sure.
I was confused because I want to import a CRV and I thought it strange that Honda would say the Pilot was admissible and effectly none others thereby implying that the CRV was not admissible. The fact that both may be admissible under another section (5.3) only adds to the confusion.

[shopper-X]

I believe that the Odyssey will qualify under section 5.3 but check with RIV at least a couple of times to be sure.
I was confused because I want to import a CRV and I thought it strange that Honda would say the Pilot was admissible and effectly none others thereby implying that the CRV was not admissible. The fact that both may be admissible under another section (5.3) only adds to the confusion.

Not really strange. Honda/Toyota are protecting the big movers like Accord, CRV, Camry, etc. Even Nissan put the 4DR Altima on the inadmissable list b/c it's a big seller on bothsides of the border.

[newlegacyowner]

Did you rent a one-way car to Manchester? Where did you drop it off? Did Xan send someone to pick you up?

Thanks

Hertz has one way car rentals, and there is a hertz office in manchester. In my case, Hertz actually drove me, but Xan would have done it no problem too.

[diigii]

sheriffabc is about to cross back to Canada in three days with his brand new Subaru. You will all hear from him by that time. Congrats to him! :cheesygri

[Trexim]

Hertz has one way car rentals, and there is a hertz office in manchester. In my case, Hertz actually drove me, but Xan would have done it no problem too.
Hertz Web quoted $725.64 for a one way trip from Montreal airport to Manchester Airport :-0 Did you get a (much?) better deal?

Thanks,

[tomasn82]

Hi Everybody,

I cannot stress how easy it is to do this! A few months ago I purchased a BMW Z4 for myself in Virginia, and saved around $9,000 after tax. This past weekend, I went to Rochester with my dad and we bought him an Audi A4 -- total savings vs. price here is $14,000.

The most imporant piece if you're going to go 'close' to the border to shop is to NOT tell them you're Canadian when negotiating the price. If you tell them you are, they won't budge at all, because they know that you're saving boatloads of money as it is. What you need to remember as a consumer is that Americans aren't benefitting from this, so they continue to haggle for as much as they can, and you should too!

$23,000 savings? Thank you Canadian Dollar!!!

[newlegacyowner]

Hertz Web quoted $725.64 for a one way trip from Montreal airport to Manchester Airport :-0 Did you get a (much?) better deal?

Thanks,

Here is the trick. That is because you are leaving a Canadian plated car in the US. You don't want to do that. What you WANT to do is call your local hertz office and request a US plated car to drive to the US. They cannot guarentee one, but there are plenty and I was to do this and I paid around 100$.

[DSTU]

Hi Everybody,

I cannot stress how easy it is to do this! A few months ago I purchased a BMW Z4 for myself in Virginia, and saved around $9,000 after tax. This past weekend, I went to Rochester with my dad and we bought him an Audi A4 -- total savings vs. price here is $14,000.

The most imporant piece if you're going to go 'close' to the border to shop is to NOT tell them you're Canadian when negotiating the price. If you tell them you are, they won't budge at all, because they know that you're saving boatloads of money as it is. What you need to remember as a consumer is that Americans aren't benefitting from this, so they continue to haggle for as much as they can, and you should too!

$23,000 savings? Thank you Canadian Dollar!!!


Were they new or used cars?

[james-007]

Man, I'm so confused now. I have purchased a 2008 Toyota Tacoma, and in the process of importing into Canada.

So Now I hear I can't register it in Canada without a letter of admissibility?

Does this only apply to Toyota cars?

I am also thinking about importing Tacoma, I called RIV last Thursday and they said all 2008 trucks, suvs and vans are admissible because they fall under section 5 of the RIV document. Of course stay away from the onces on the inadmissible column.

[ymlccc]

Guys,

I got back yesterday with my new baby 2008 Subaru outback limited with VDC from Xan Perterson Manchester, NH.

Thanks Xan for better price, (better than Van Bortel instantly), all the paperwork, and be there Sunday for us when he has the day off and insist to give me the key himself. :D

A definitely a nice sales and no BS, no game, no trick experience, highly recommended.

Also, a special thanks to member Symcrapico, googz Monsieurmaggot, and all those people who shared their experiences in this thread!!!


Order:
The whole process is really painless and easy, I mean super easy... you must know what's the model you're looking for and all the options you want. Call him or email him with all your questions, and start from there. Me? It took me 3 mails and 5 phone calls and voila, everything is done. Paid the deposit down in order for them to hold your car until it's fully paid. What I did is put $500 down and paid the rest by bank draft. I physically went down there to give them the payment (price - $500 down) with my wife.

Boder crossing 1st time:
Tell Highgate springs border that you bought the car and show them the bank draft and dealer address (5 minutes you're out), no need to go to the ROOM

At the Manchester Subaru:
see the car, you can even test drive it. Got all the paper work done in 45 minutes, we're back on our way to montreal with all the paperwork, ready to submit the title and sales receipt to US export control. BTW, Xan is not a BS sales, no BS, no chatting, straight forward to the business. Here in montreal, lots sales are bubbling many thing, care about your family, your pets, but they will kill you softly when you coming down to negotiate the price...

Submit document
Monday night we went to Champlain border to submit the documents (72H wait time before exporting the car). Why Champlain border? coz they open early and close late (6 am to 10 pm, M-F). This is the tricky part at the border export office: go straight to the US border waiting line-->show them your passport and yadi yadi yada-->they will tell you to drive about 50-75m and make a U turn and there is a building at your RIGHT (after U turn),there's also a sign says "US export office". going there, officers are nice, so in and out within 5 minutes.

Plan 2nd trip to pickup your new subaru
Hotel: Go to Expedia.ca to reserve a room as early as possible, closer to weekend, less the room and hotel will be available. We stay in SLEEP INN. about 97USD one night with breakfast. Not a fancy place but clean with everything you need for one night.

Transportation:
One way trip is very difficult to plan because border agent will for sure ask you lots questions... One way rental from Montreal to Manchester is CRAZY, coz it easily costs you more than 600$ because they will have to transport your car back to Canada. That's why we asked our friend to drive us to Burlington and we reserved a car at burlington airport earlier (hertz). cost us about $106, why? Because we made a stupid mistake coz we agreed to buy the "return empty gas" option... which I recommend you not to option this, coz from burlington airport to manchester is only 250km... those cars can easily get you there with half tank of gas.

At Manchester
Return the car at airport. what we did is since Xan is at the dealership waiting for us, we don't want to keep him waiting. so we drove the rental car to the dealership and get the key, hug Xan (not really, he probably will beat me up to death), and we're driving our car out of Manchester subaru and go to Wendy's instead coz we are starving to death... Then return the car at Manchester airport. 1 hour parking at the airport is $2... cheap like hell...

Shopping at Manchester
Damn, they do not, I repeat they do not have sales taxes like we do here in Canada (except Alberta). so we shop like crazy... small mall but they got macy's and bestbuy, which will satisfy all the couples in the mall. The food curt is small but the Japanese teriyaki is pretty ok for quick lunch with double meat (!), from dealership to mall is 5 mins drive and LL beam outlet is across the street.

On the way back
Nice weather and enjoying the driving with my new car. with the large 2 panels sunroof opened, damn, life s beautiful. :D

at the Border again
PS->do not, use Microsoft street and trips. It sucks big time and especially if you want it to take you to the border... We must go to champlain border to export the car so we took i78 west to enter NY state... the driving is painful at night, so I suggest you leave early from Manchester, when it gets dark, i78 is hardly enjoyable to drive... Take highway 87N instead your GPS telling you.

US border, go directly to the export office, and they didn't even bother to check my VIN number... so grab and double check the documents in and out within 2 min.

Do not going to commercial export control at the Canadian site. They will refuse your request and you must return to the line like everybody else. I did that stupid mistake and I was like circus monkey backing my car when everyone was watching and laughing at me... >:(

Once you reach the Canadian border, declare the car and the stuffs you bought there, they will quickly get you to "the ROOM" and trust me, all those agents there have full of knowledge of importing cars and it was quick within 10 minutes.

When you got everything done, double check all the paperwork they give you. The exchange rate was really good last night, so I ended up saving another $50CND.

You're all set and remember... when they give you the code to open the gate, drive as close as you can to the stupid gate opener (buzzer)... I was a little too excited and actually 3" away from the buzzer, so I open my door and try to reach the stupid thing, but I didn't notice the distance between door and that stupid buzzer. When I opened the door I hit a little bit on the edge and 1mm of the paint is chipped off at the edge of the door which I almost slap myself the whole nignt, but thank god no dent or nothing serious:|

["Inspection at Canadian tire in Montreal]
I only know 2 places that will do the Federal Inspection during the weekend and at night after 5:00pm. Those 2 Canadian tire are in Chateauguay (search Canadiantire.ca and Store location-->Delson or Chateauguay. Thanks to perfchris for such valuable information. I got it done Saturday morning within 10 minutes. NOTE: better be there earlier like 7:30am or no later than 10:00am, usually if they are busy, they might be able to perform the inspection so quickly, always give them a call before you go.

[SAAQ]
Well, the one I am dealing with in La prairie need to fax my title and all the docs to Quebec City and wait for 1.5 hour to get my car registered. however, they can't perform this task during the weekend as I already tried, I will have to come back during the week day... :(

To be continued...

[scrolllock]

[QUOTE=ymlccc;5849315]Guys,

I got back yesterday with my new baby 2008 Subaru outback limited with VDC from Xan Perterson Manchester, NH.

Congratulations.... do you have a immobilizer in the car? If the car was built before September it should not be a problem. If not does it meet the Canadian Standard?

[jingyu]

How did the border custom officer calculate your departure time? You can only buy up to $50 duty free stuff if you stay outside Canada more than 24 hrs. You have up tp 400 if more than 48 hrs. If you leave today pick up your car tomorrow and drive the car back then you have no duty free quota since you stay less than 24 hrs outside. Is my understanding wrong? Thanks.

Nope, Drove down in my wife's Mazda 3 GT, took Mom-in-law too. New Hampshire is too good a sales tax haven to pass up an opportunity to shop at the Factory Outlet Stores in North Conway. Good thing 2 vehicles returned in order to carry all the booty. It wasn't hard to buy your limit and get a whole boatload of nifty stuff. :D

[can2000]

Guys,

I got back yesterday with my new baby 2008 Subaru outback limited with VDC from Xan Perterson Manchester, NH.


i will post some pictures later with my new baby.

Congratulations!

Would you please PM me your final price for your 2008 Outback and Options?

Thank you in advance!

[diigii]

How did the border custom officer calculate your departure time? You can only buy up to $50 duty free stuff if you stay outside Canada more than 24 hrs. You have up tp 400 if more than 48 hrs. If you leave today pick up your car tomorrow and drive the car back then you have no duty free quota since you stay less than 24 hrs outside. Is my understanding wrong? Thanks.

I have one question for you. Have you ever crossed the border, even once, in your whole life?

[Symcrapico]

Guys,

I got back yesterday with my new baby 2008 Subaru outback limited with VDC from Xan Perterson Manchester, NH.


Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee....Congrat man!

[lake600]

Congras!!!:)

Will they sell to international student study in Canada? I'm a chinese student in Halifax NS, and I have both Chinese and Nova Scotia driver license.
Do they have a website I can check?
Thanks in advance!


Guys,

I got back yesterday with my new baby 2008 Subaru outback limited with VDC from Xan Perterson Manchester, NH.

Thanks Xan for better price, (better than Van Bortel instantly), all the paperwork, and be there Sunday for us when he has the day off and insist to give me the key himself. :D

A definitely a nice sales and no BS, no game, no trick experience, highly recommended.

Also, a special thanks to member Symcrapico, googz Monsieurmaggot, and all those people who shared their experiences in this thread!!!


Order:
The whole process is really painless and easy, I mean super easy... you must know what's the model you're looking for and all the options you want. Call him or email him with all your questions, and start from there. Me? It took me 3 mails and 5 phone calls and voila, everything is done. Paid the deposit down in order for them to hold your car until it's fully paid. What I did is put $500 down and paid the rest by bank draft. I physically went down there to give them the payment (price - $500 down) with my wife.

Boder crossing 1st time:
Tell Highgate springs border that you bought the car and show them the bank draft and dealer address (5 minutes you're out), no need to go to the ROOM

At the Manchester Subaru:
see the car, you can even test drive it. Got all the paper work done in 45 minutes, we're back on our way to montreal with all the paperwork, ready to submit the title and sales receipt to US export control. BTW, Xan is not a BS sales, no BS, no chatting, straight forward to the business. Here in montreal, lots sales are bubbling many thing, care about your family, your pets, but they will kill you softly when you coming down to negotiate the price...

Submit document
Monday night we went to Champlain border to submit the documents (72H wait time before exporting the car). Why Champlain border? coz they open early and close late (6 am to 10 pm, M-F). This is the tricky part at the border export office: go straight to the US border waiting line-->show them your passport and yadi yadi yada-->they will tell you to drive about 50-75m and make a U turn and there is a building at your RIGHT (after U turn),there's also a sign says "US export office". going there, officers are nice, so in and out within 5 minutes.

Plan 2nd trip to pickup your new subaru
Hotel: Go to Expedia.ca to reserve a room as early as possible, closer to weekend, less the room and hotel will be available. We stay in SLEEP INN. about 97USD one night with breakfast. Not a fancy place but clean with everything you need for one night.

Transportation:
One way trip is very difficult to plan because border agent will for sure ask you lots questions... One way rental from Montreal to Manchester is CRAZY, coz it easily costs you more than 600$ because they will have to transport your car back to Canada. That's why we asked our friend to drive us to Burlington and we reserved a car at burlington airport earlier (hertz). cost us about $106, why? Because we made a stupid mistake coz we agreed to buy the "return empty gas" option... which I recommend you not to option this, coz from burlington airport to manchester is only 250km... those cars can easily get you there with half tank of gas.

At Manchester
Return the car at airport. what we did is since Xan is at the dealership waiting for us, we don't want to keep him waiting. so we drove the rental car to the dealership and get the key, hug Xan (not really, he probably will beat me up to death), and we're driving our car out of Manchester subaru and go to Wendy's instead coz we are starving to death... Then return the car at Manchester airport. 1 hour parking at the airport is $2... cheap like hell...

Shopping at Manchester
Damn, they do not, I repeat they do not have sales taxes like we do here in Canada (except Alberta). so we shop like crazy... small mall but they got macy's and bestbuy, which will satisfy all the couples in the mall. The food curt is small but the Japanese teriyaki is pretty ok for quick lunch with double meat (!), from dealership to mall is 5 mins drive and LL beam outlet is across the street.

On the way back
Nice weather and enjoying the driving with my new car. with the large 2 panels sunroof opened, damn, life s beautiful. :D

at the Border again
PS->do not, use Microsoft street and trips. It sucks big time and especially if you want it to take you to the border... We must go to champlain border to export the car so we took i78 west to enter NY state... the driving is painful at night, so I suggest you leave early from Manchester, when it gets dark, i78 is hardly enjoyable to drive... Take highway 87N instead your GPS telling you.

US border, go directly to the export office, and they didn't even bother to check my VIN number... so grab and double check the documents in and out within 2 min.

Do not going to commercial export control at the Canadian site. They will refuse your request and you must return to the line like everybody else. I did that stupid mistake and I was like circus monkey backing my car when everyone was watching and laughing at me... >:(

Once you reach the Canadian border, declare the car and the stuffs you bought there, they will quickly get you to "the ROOM" and trust me, all those agents there have full of knowledge of importing cars and it was quick within 10 minutes.

When you got everything done, double check all the paperwork they give you. The exchange rate was really good last night, so I ended up saving another $50CND.

You're all set and remember... when they give you the code to open the gate, drive as close as you can to the stupid gate opener (buzzer)... I was a little too excited and actually 3" away from the buzzer, so I open my door and try to reach the stupid thing, but I didn't notice the distance between door and that stupid buzzer. When I opened the door I hit a little bit on the edge and 1mm of the paint is chipped off at the edge of the door which I almost slap myself the whole nignt, but thank god no dent or nothing serious:|

i will post some pictures later with my new baby.

[dotcalamitie]

I love RFD and all you guys. Let's keep it up. Keep buying and bringing those US cars into Canada!!!! Congrats to all the new US car owners!!!! Yeehaw! Well, off I go in my new US Tribeca...smiling ear to ear.

[Bullseye]

[QUOTE=ymlccc;5849315]Guys,

I got back yesterday with my new baby 2008 Subaru outback limited with VDC from Xan Perterson Manchester, NH.

Congratulations.... do you have a immobilizer in the car? If the car was built before September it should not be a problem. If not does it meet the Canadian Standard?

I don't get all this immobilizer stuff, my 2008 Outback 2.5i has one, and it was built in Sept. Riv just e-mailed my Form 2, does that mean I'm okay? Or will I have a problem with the Cdn Tire inspection?

I'm a little confused on this one...

[cybermat]

I have been lurking around for a while. Yesterday, I successfully imported a Subaru Legacy from the US. Thanks to this thread, there were no surprises. Everything was as expected.

I just want to take some time to thank diigii, Monsieurmaggot, and everyone who have contributed to this thread.

For all the new people, everything that you need to know is in this thread, just take some time to read through it. If you still have questions afterwards, feel free to PM me. I will be happy to assist you.

Cheers

[flaming homer]

My father's 2008 Tribeca was finally plated today, delayed by the fact that the RIV office didn't accept dealer letter of clearance and wanted a "print-out" that the dealer could not generate. Subaru of America responded with a faxed letter within 1 business day, they must be loving all these extra Canadian business.

The dealer was Doyle Subaru in Rochester. They had the 2008 Tribeca on-lot and came close to Van Bortel's prices, not like those Subaru robbers in Buffalo. Incidently they are attached to a larger Chevy dealership, and the salesman claims they sell Chevy to Canadians too.

[ymlccc]

[QUOTE=ymlccc;5849315]Guys,

I got back yesterday with my new baby 2008 Subaru outback limited with VDC from Xan Perterson Manchester, NH.

Congratulations.... do you have a immobilizer in the car? If the car was built before September it should not be a problem. If not does it meet the Canadian Standard?

answer: according to cars 101, all the 2008 Outback has immobilizer keys. I got exactly the same one on the pic.

quoted from JOE (cars101):
new 2008 New one piece key and remote for Outback, Legacy, Tribeca.
New: all Imprezas have Immobilizer keys, and new for any Subaru, a Laser cut key.
Chipped immobilizer key now standard on all Legacy, Outback, Tribeca and Impreza models, and on the Forester XT and XT Sports. Not on Forester X, X Premium or LLBean

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee....Congrat man!
Thanks man, without you, none of this can be done!
Congras!!!:)

Will they sell to international student study in Canada? I'm a chinese student in Halifax NS, and I have both Chinese and Nova Scotia driver license.
Do they have a website I can check?
Thanks in advance!
NOT sure, you have to make sure you're ok with Canadian government.
wqdfsffsd

see the answer above and below



I don't get all this immobilizer stuff, my 2008 Outback 2.5i has one, and it was built in Sept. Riv just e-mailed my Form 2, does that mean I'm okay? Or will I have a problem with the Cdn Tire inspection?

I'm a little confused on this one...
no worry, 2008 outback is fine, I BELIEVE. Coz mine is manufacturer in June 07.

[shaolinmonk]

My father's 2008 Tribeca was finally plated today, delayed by the fact that the RIV office didn't accept dealer letter of clearance and wanted a "print-out" that the dealer could not generate. Subaru of America responded with a faxed letter within 1 business day, they must be loving all these extra Canadian business.

The dealer was Doyle Subaru in Rochester. They had the 2008 Tribeca on-lot and came close to Van Bortel's prices, not like those Subaru robbers in Buffalo. Incidently they are attached to a larger Chevy dealership, and the salesman claims they sell Chevy to Canadians too.

did you go with your dad to get the car? or did you buy it for him? I'm just trying to figure out how the insurance and ownership would work....

i'm looking to pay the deposit, pay via bank draft and bring back to canada.. but i would want everything under my dad's insurance and his ownership as it would be his car..

[SIN-7]

I am also thinking about importing Tacoma, I called RIV last Thursday and they said all 2008 trucks, suvs and vans are admissible because they fall under section 5 of the RIV document. Of course stay away from the onces on the inadmissible column.

Thanks for the response, I feel a little better now.

[Comatose]

Hertz Web quoted $725.64 for a one way trip from Montreal airport to Manchester Airport :-0 Did you get a (much?) better deal?

Thanks,

I ended up renting a one-way with Avis (single day), and had a relatively good experience with them.

- Compared to other rentals for where I was headed, most other rentals only gave me an option of dropping off in the US at an airport location (which wasn't the ideal dropoff for me). By dropping off at the location I wanted it saved me a good 40 minutes (I had the salesman pick me up from there)

- Pricing appeared to be the best I could find (plus there was either a 20 or 25% costco coupon that anyone could apply).

- I intended on renting a compact, was quoted at $90 (after discount). They noted that they had a US vehicle (minivan) in their lot, and automatically upgraded that to me, plus further reducing my rental charge down to $70. (renting a minivan normally would've cost ~$150)

[scrolllock]

Yeah..I saw that too. It's not the specs but anyway...the interesting part is that it looks like the CMVSS 144 amendment is based on some standard from 1998 ! I have a hard time following the logic that the immobilizer system installed in a 2008 Acura does not conform to a 1998 standard....

The immobilizer on the Honda Civic 2008 is not the issue! Just go to the www.IBC.ca and call one of the companies that install immobilizers. They will not take your old one out( if there is one) but they will just install one on top of the existing one at a cost of around $400.00. The one they install will be certified to meet the spec. Reason you can't get it done at CT is that all personnel doing this work must be ULC approved and have passed police checks etc...etc.. So now what is the real reason the Honda Civic 2008 has not been approved???? Please don't start any rumors until someone from the Transport Canada let us know, unless you know for sure!

[Ggilligan]

Just want to let everyone know that our car experience is still not over but have heard that Toyota has sent the paperwork releasing 2008 Toyotas for import into Canada to RIV last Thursday Oct 25th.
Our friends had purchased a 2008 Avalon Limited 3rd party in the states and we picked it up last Tuesday Oct 23rd. in the states. We had to leave it in the states as it was not on the RIV list. They called Toyota Canada re: their letter of admissability and were told that it would not be sent out because of the release to import Toyotas was sent to RIV. Our friends then called RIV and the girl said yes the paperwork is there but it was not on the list yet as they only update every 2 weeks. They asked about bringing the car into Canada and RIV suggested do it and just have customs call RIV. I think because our friends had been storing the car and already had it in their possession RIV suggested calling. They showed up at our front door this morning just before lunch with their new Avalon...things are looking up for toyota lovers - I think the next official update will be around Nov 9th. Good luck to all you importers!!!

[reddy54]

I am also thinking about importing Tacoma, I called RIV last Thursday and they said all 2008 trucks, suvs and vans are admissible because they fall under section 5 of the RIV document. Of course stay away from the onces on the inadmissible column.

I am confused also.I called RIV this am about a 2008 Honda CRV. They told me they have no info on the 2008's. I told them that their list was updated yesterday and that the CRV was a SUV and should be covered under section 5.3. She then told me that it was "probably ok to import" but I should check with Honda USA to be sure.

Can you imagine that is like asking wolves if the the hen house security is OK!

[cyber007]

Thanks for all the informations here. I successfully imported a 2007 Audi Q7 from New Jersey. The vehicle is slightly used with 5,000 miles but the savings are more that 20K :).

Just want to share my experience regarding the recall clearance letter. Visited the RIV office yesterday morning when I drove the vehicle back with the dealer provided recall clearance letter following exactly the instruction posted on the RIV website how to prepare the dealer recall letter. But the clerk at RIV just said the letter is not acceptable and refuse to listen to my explanation. I had to call Audi USA head office and got my recall letter from them in two hours and faxed over to RIV. When called RIV office later, they said it will take at least 72 hours for them to put my recall letter into their system since the fax volume is extremely high.

Lesson learned, if possible, always get your recall clearance letter from the manufacturer instead of dealership. Do not trust what RIV website and the customer service people said on the phone (I called them three times before I head down to US and they said dealer recall letter is okay but was plainly rejected by the clerk in the office without properly explanation :( ).

[diigii]

I have been lurking around for a while. Yesterday, I successfully imported a Subaru Legacy from the US. Thanks to this thread, there were no surprises. Everything was as expected.

I just want to take some time to thank diigii, Monsieurmaggot, and everyone who have contributed to this thread.

For all the new people, everything that you need to know is in this thread, just take some time to read through it. If you still have questions afterwards, feel free to PM me. I will be happy to assist you.

Cheers

CONGRATS to Cybermat, ymlccc, scrolllock! Enjoy your new cars!

Cybermat, you're welcome. I'm just doing my part and helping out because I was in the same situation as you guys before. I'm happy to return the favor. Monsieurmaggot deserves all the accolades. We should all get together soon.

[warpdryv]

flaherty is a dumbass - 20 out of 20 economists agree. rather than cutting income taxes as much as possible, he's pushed up the gst cut.

the upside - now you can save another 1% if you wait until january to import your american cars.

the downside - in effect, a 1% surtax on all consumer products purchased between now and december 31st. i wonder if it will have a negative impact on the retail economy for the next 2 months...

[Q8888]

I have successfully completed import of new MDX sport - for those waiting reg admissibility - I can confirm it is admissible, it falls under section 5. The immobilizer is not an issue - CT will walk around the vehicle and will not bother about it. If you live in the GTA try CT at East Mall Ave and Queensway.

Some observations:
* US customs did not call back after two tries, I believe too busy to call back these days - there were 10 buyers ahead of me at around 8am. They won't bother to check the car as long as they can see it from their window
* At Lewiston crossing you fill your own Form 1 and they do not fax you recall letter for you. Also no one will inspect the car. Once you pay GST (long line - 30 minutes) you are on your way
* At RIV office you pay and wait around 30 minutes to get your Form 2 - no need to wait 2 days.
* At MTO you can easily have the car registered on someone else's name (I wanted my wife's name on it). I went to Cloverdale mall, familiar with the process, but be prepared to line for 40 minutes.

All can be done within a day.

Many thanks to everyone in this thread for the invaluable assistance - phone/fax number (Lewiston), drawing and pics of US customs office (at Lewinston), and the many others who provided tips and info.

Sad to say my dealer has been requested not to sell to Canadians anymore - used cars are not a problem.

cyber007 - I think we meet at the RIV office, glad to hear you solved your recall letter issue. Great car - congrats.

[tbagg]

Not sure about mods but you will get a 6.1% extra dutie, they are made in Japan. Still save a ton.

The 350Z has a base price of about $28,000 in the US. In Canada, the base price is $49,800 (though it does come with a bit more standard equipment - not much). That's a 56% mark-up!
Simply put, the Canadian market gets SCREWED when it comes to low volume and /or performance cars. Screwed. It's not like changing the speedo in the dash and giving people the option of French labels costs $10,000. Why would a person pay $50,000 Cdn. for a new 350Z when they can go across the border and get one for $35,000 after duty and exchange?!


$28,000 is for the lowest 350z model - Canada sells the GRAND TOURING model only which has a tun of extra stuff, the traction control, cruise control, in car speaker phone, subwoofer/ upgraded stereo etc. etc. GRAND TOURING is more like 38k USD new.

To import it is 6.1% duty + GST (5% come january) + $150 A/C fee. It's still worth while though. The main thing holding me back is I don't have a garage and it's winter coming up!

[thfwong]

I have successfully completed import of new MDX sport - for those waiting reg admissibility - I can confirm it is admissible, it falls under section 5. The immobilizer is not an issue - CT will walk around the vehicle and will not bother about it. If you live in the GTA try CT at East Mall Ave and Queensway.

Some observations:
* US customs did not call back after two tries, I believe too busy to call back these days - there were 10 buyers ahead of me at around 8am. They won't bother to check the car as long as they can see it from their window
* At Lewiston crossing you fill your own Form 1 and they do not fax you recall letter for you. Also no one will inspect the car. Once you pay GST (long line - 30 minutes) you are on your way
* At RIV office you pay and wait around 30 minutes to get your Form 2 - no need to wait 2 days.
* At MTO you can easily have the car registered on someone else's name (I wanted my wife's name on it). I went to Cloverdale mall, familiar with the process, but be prepared to line for 40 minutes.

All can be done within a day.

Many thanks to everyone in this thread for the invaluable assistance - phone/fax number (Lewiston), drawing and pics of US customs office (at Lewinston), and the many others who provided tips and info.

Sad to say my dealer has been requested not to sell to Canadians anymore - used cars are not a problem.

cyber007 - I think we meet at the RIV office, glad to hear you solved your recall letter issue. Great car - congrats.

Great news but can you confirm the manufacture date of your 08 MDX? The concern I have is for vehicle manufactured after Sept 1, 2007 that RIV will require a immobilizer that meets CMVSS 114 requirements. Thanks.

[cyber007]

Yes. Audi USA send me recall letter less than 2 hours. But RIV told me I had to wait at least 72 hours before they can get my recall letter into their system. Oh well, like we both experienced at the border, even at 8:00AM in the morning there are lineup at US export office, I am sure now RIV office have huge piles of import requests coming in...

You MDX looks great too. Congratulation for your savings as well. Hope more people will benefit from this great site and great people helping out :)

I have successfully completed import of new MDX sport - for those waiting reg admissibility - I can confirm it is admissible, it falls under section 5. The immobilizer is not an issue - CT will walk around the vehicle and will not bother about it. If you live in the GTA try CT at East Mall Ave and Queensway.

Some observations:
* US customs did not call back after two tries, I believe too busy to call back these days - there were 10 buyers ahead of me at around 8am. They won't bother to check the car as long as they can see it from their window
* At Lewiston crossing you fill your own Form 1 and they do not fax you recall letter for you. Also no one will inspect the car. Once you pay GST (long line - 30 minutes) you are on your way
* At RIV office you pay and wait around 30 minutes to get your Form 2 - no need to wait 2 days.
* At MTO you can easily have the car registered on someone else's name (I wanted my wife's name on it). I went to Cloverdale mall, familiar with the process, but be prepared to line for 40 minutes.

All can be done within a day.

Many thanks to everyone in this thread for the invaluable assistance - phone/fax number (Lewiston), drawing and pics of US customs office (at Lewinston), and the many others who provided tips and info.

Sad to say my dealer has been requested not to sell to Canadians anymore - used cars are not a problem.

cyber007 - I think we meet at the RIV office, glad to hear you solved your recall letter issue. Great car - congrats.

[propofol]

Four questions:

1) Where do I get French air bag stickers that comply with the RIV guidelines?

2) Has anyone had any problems getting a Lexus-issued recall letters?

3) Does anyone know when Lexus will have its 2008 models on the RIV site?

4) I heard that the Lexus IS 250/ 350 need no modifications, except for the French stickers. Is this true?

[scrolllock]

CONGRATS to Cybermat, ymlccc, scrolllock! Enjoy your new cars!

Cybermat, you're welcome. I'm just doing my part and helping out because I was in the same situation as you guys before. I'm happy to return the favor. Monsieurmaggot deserves all the accolades. We should all get together soon.

I hope my input has helped to many of you. I wish I had know about this site and studied it prior to making my mistake with a 2008 Honda Civic. But I am going to keep on fighting and asking questions to Honda US and the RIV.

I know some of you are in the same boat as me and I know working together we might come up with a way to make Honda US file the right paperwork and let us get on with our lives. They have made certain that their dealerships no longer sell to Canadian re.. their memo of October 11th. The dealers are not taking back the cars.

Please pm me if you are in the same boat and want to discuss solutions. I have also created an email address inadmissibleautos@hotmail.com as well.

strength in numbers!

[Raikkonen]

Four questions:

1) Where do I get French air bag stickers that comply with the RIV guidelines?

2) Has anyone had any problems getting a Lexus-issued recall letters?

3) Does anyone know when Lexus will have its 2008 models on the RIV site?

4) I heard that the Lexus IS 250/ 350 need no modifications, except for the French stickers. Is this true?

Propofol, you must be an anaesthetist, because in your first and only post, you haven't written please or thanks. A resident wouldn't be that arrogant.
;)

[tico 1948]

How did the border custom officer calculate your departure time? You can only buy up to $50 duty free stuff if you stay outside Canada more than 24 hrs. You have up tp 400 if more than 48 hrs. If you leave today pick up your car tomorrow and drive the car back then you have no duty free quota since you stay less than 24 hrs outside. Is my understanding wrong? Thanks.
We left Canada at 5:10pm Atlantic Time on Oct. 24, and returned to Canada at 5:30 pm Atlantic Time on Oct 27. Voila 72 hrs. 3 people @ $400 ea. =$1,200 tax friggin free dollar purchases in North Conway,New Hampshire.:D Ya, good thing we had 2 vehicles!We told the Border Customs Officer what date and time of day we entered the U.S. We had sales slips for munchies,pop,H2O newspapers, hotel accomodations, etc. etc.to prove our departure date. Besides, I have a very honest face!!!!!:twisted:

[diigii]

I saw his report on CTV News at 6pm awhile ago. He detailed how much a used European car and a brand new North American-made SUV. In it, he calculated the 6.1% duty on the European car, A/C tax, taxes and RIV fee for both. But what sounded wrong and, misleading, is how he phrased the taxes as "costs" of importing. To a misinformed viewer, hearing what he said is indeed misleading! Those "costs" he highlighted are also paid for by a Canadian consumer buying a car here in Canada, with the taxes even higher than a car bought in the US.

You guys judge for yourselves. Watch the video on http://toronto.ctv.ca/

[andyhejob]

Is there anywhere to check whether there are people go by group to share the experience and expense?

[Lost Horizon]

You guys judge for yourselves. Watch the video on http://toronto.ctv.ca/

Typical Reporter view.. mixing apples and oranges with comfortable confidence born out of broad based ignorance with an IQ near room temperature (in Celsius?) for anything remotely technical or financial ..

But look who the target viewer is.. the "average" Canadian Consumer... so maybe he's brilliant in insight.. and the rest of us are just nerds..

[cyber007]

Four questions:

1) Where do I get French air bag stickers that comply with the RIV guidelines?



Check this thread: http://www.maxbimmer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50332

[Lanceman1]

Hello all who have posted on this thread,

My appreciation to everyone, for all the information, insight and encouraging words. After reading almost all 500 pages of posts, I placed an order for a Lincoln MKZ this past Friday at a dealer in Vermont. Although they tried to maintain the MRSP on the deal, I negotiated what I believe was a fair deal versus the distance away from the border I was prepared to travel to get the right deal. I ordered the vehicle and will take delivery sometime in late Dec (although I will try to bring the car into Canada in the new year to take advantage of the reduced GST). I am also encouraged that the actual import process is not difficult and was pleased when I inquired with the Canadian border agent about where the office was for the transaction, she reminded me about the export requirements for the US border. BTW when I stopped at US customs to inquire about the submission of documents 72 hrs. inadvance, I was told they had to be delvered....by hand... no Fedex, UPS etc. Luckily its only an hour drive from Montreal.

Again, Thanks to all

PS I suggested to the dealer that they might become a "local" dealer for the Montreal area for those who wish to escape the non-competive practises here i.e. no Saturday opening, no online posting of inventories etc

[frankmp]

and the salesman claims they sell Chevy to Canadians too.

New one's?:?: What was salesman's name? thanks

[JiNuWiNe]

Not sure if anyone else had this idea in mind or even it was posted. Why don't we have a RFD meet in honour of this thread?? This will be extremely beneficial to the "TO BE BUYERS" and the "NEWLY BOUGHTS" can share their experience. It sounds more fun than having to read through 500 pages of info. Whos up for it?

[diigii]

I saw his report on CTV News at 6pm awhile ago. He detailed how much a used European car and a brand new North American-made SUV. In it, he calculated the 6.1% duty on the European car, A/C tax, taxes and RIV fee for both. But what sounded wrong and, misleading, is how he phrased the taxes as "costs" of importing. To a misinformed viewer, hearing what he said is indeed misleading! Those "costs" he highlighted are also paid for by a Canadian consumer buying a car here in Canada, with the taxes even higher than a car bought in the US.

You guys judge for yourselves. Watch the video on http://toronto.ctv.ca/

It will be re-aired again shortly on CTV News. Channel 8 in the GTA region.

[acklam]

Thanks for all the informations here. I successfully imported a 2007 Audi Q7 from New Jersey. The vehicle is slightly used with 5,000 miles but the savings are more that 20K :).

Just want to share my experience regarding the recall clearance letter. Visited the RIV office yesterday morning when I drove the vehicle back with the dealer provided recall clearance letter following exactly the instruction posted on the RIV website how to prepare the dealer recall letter. But the clerk at RIV just said the letter is not acceptable and refuse to listen to my explanation. I had to call Audi USA head office and got my recall letter from them in two hours and faxed over to RIV. When called RIV office later, they said it will take at least 72 hours for them to put my recall letter into their system since the fax volume is extremely high.

Lesson learned, if possible, always get your recall clearance letter from the manufacturer instead of dealership. Do not trust what RIV website and the customer service people said on the phone (I called them three times before I head down to US and they said dealer recall letter is okay but was plainly rejected by the clerk in the office without properly explanation :( ).

Same story here. I have a dealer issued recall clearance letter with manufacturer logo that is rejected last Friday!!

I've got my manufacturer issued recall clearance letter this morning and received my inspection form emailed to me this afternoon. Went to CT after work and got my federal inspection done!

All I need now is the Drive Clean and Safety. :)

[acklam]

Four questions:

1) Where do I get French air bag stickers that comply with the RIV guidelines?

2) Has anyone had any problems getting a Lexus-issued recall letters?

3) Does anyone know when Lexus will have its 2008 models on the RIV site?

4) I heard that the Lexus IS 250/ 350 need no modifications, except for the French stickers. Is this true?

My car has passed with English-only label. I am not sure about others, but my inspection form says French label is required "if it is equipped with an airbag that requires periodic maintenance". I don't think my car's airbag needs "periodic maintenance". :confused:

I have printed a picture of bilingual label and planned to tape it onto the car if needed, but it turns out I don't need to do anything.

[acklam]

Four questions:

1) Where do I get French air bag stickers that comply with the RIV guidelines?

2) Has anyone had any problems getting a Lexus-issued recall letters?

3) Does anyone know when Lexus will have its 2008 models on the RIV site?

4) I heard that the Lexus IS 250/ 350 need no modifications, except for the French stickers. Is this true?

BTW, I briefly chatted with 2 guys who were importing Lexus SUV while I was waiting at the RIV office to pick up inspection form last Friday. They told me the Lexus SUV already comes with bilingual stickers all over the car. I am not sure if it is the same for IS. So, chances are you may not need to worry about anything.

[Joko77]

OK, I got the time to post again finally.

As you all know, 2008 Acuras were added to the RIV admissability list.:D

I found out on Monday (29.10) @14.00pm, run out of house, got to the RIV office at 3.25pm, they had some kind of a computer system trouble, but just as I got there it was fixed so I got my Form2 and was at Queensway CT 3.45pm. The guy just checked DRL`s and was more interested @the price I paid for the car. So the inspection took about 5mins.
Was at the Licensing office (Kipling/Queensway) 4:00pm and had plates on my car at 4.20pm.:cheesygri :cheesygri :lol:

Final review:
1. It took almost 2 month of driving on 1 NY temp. permit (30 days) & 3 Ontario temporary permits to get the car plates (Bought the car 07.Sept.2007 and waited for RIV)
2. Made all the calculations finally and my savings on my 2008 Acura TL (Navi-Black Pearl) is $15,400. ( I also accounted in 3 temp permits for $45)

Houraaaay, NO MORE POLICE STOPS WHY I DON`T HAVE PLATES. (had 6 of them:evil: )

[JiNuWiNe]

OK, I got the time to post again finally.

As you all know, 2008 Acuras were added to the RIV admissability list.:D

I found out on Monday (29.10) @14.00pm, run out of house, got to the RIV office at 3.25pm, they had some kind of a computer system trouble, but just as I got there it was fixed so I got my Form2 and was at Queensway CT 3.45pm. The guy just checked DRL`s and was more interested @the price I paid for the car. So the inspection took about 5mins.
Was at the Licensing office (Kipling/Queensway) 4:00pm and had plates on my car at 4.20pm.:cheesygri :cheesygri :lol:

Final review:
1. It took almost 2 month of driving on 1 NY temp. permit (30 days) & 3 Ontario temporary permits to get the car plates (Bought the car 07.Sept.2007 and waited for RIV)
2. Made all the calculations finally and my savings on my 2008 Acura TL (Navi-Black Pearl) is $15,400. ( I also accounted in 3 temp permits for $45)

Houraaaay, NO MORE POLICE STOPS WHY I DON`T HAVE PLATES. (had 6 of them:evil: )

Hey Joko77, just had a few questions in mind after seeing your post.

1. You were able to buy a BRAND NEW 2008 Acura?

2. If you don't mind, how much did you pay for it?

3. Which dealership did you go to buy the TL?

Lastly, thats great to hear yet another RFD had score a HOT DEAL. TL's are such good cars. I'm thinking about getting a TL-Type S.

[jimmyjamez]

Not sure if anyone else had this idea in mind or even it was posted. Why don't we have a RFD meet in honour of this thread?? This will be extremely beneficial to the "TO BE BUYERS" and the "NEWLY BOUGHTS" can share their experience. It sounds more fun than having to read through 500 pages of info. Whos up for it?

i'm in

[Joko77]

Hey Joko77, just had a few questions in mind after seeing your post.

1. You were able to buy a BRAND NEW 2008 Acura?

2. If you don't mind, how much did you pay for it?

3. Which dealership did you go to buy the TL?

Lastly, thats great to hear yet another RFD had score a HOT DEAL. TL's are such good cars. I'm thinking about getting a TL-Type S.

PM sent. Hopefully thats what you wanted :)

[mole11]

Thanks to everyone on this thread. Its been great information on my quest to purchase a new X5. Has anyone gone thru the process of purchasing an X5 in the states. Would be interested in your feedback. Looking at the price that was paid, options, where it was purchased. Please send me a message. Thanks for uour help.

[trini_2_d_bone]

I'm looking at purchasing a "clean title" SUV from Miami. It has minor at the rear, but the price makes it an easy choice.
It's a 2006 Lexus 400H - US$29,000 + 41200.00 shipping.
I'm checking Customs and Min of Trans to find out if it's admissible.

[crasher]

I'm looking at purchasing a "clean title" SUV from Miami. It has minor at the rear, but the price makes it an easy choice.
It's a 2006 Lexus 400H - US$29,000 + 41200.00 shipping.
I'm checking Customs and Min of Trans to find out if it's admissible.

$41200:!: Thats a lot to ship, I would go personally even to save fraction of that cost.:D

[Bullseye]

I saw his report on CTV News at 6pm awhile ago. He detailed how much a used European car and a brand new North American-made SUV. In it, he calculated the 6.1% duty on the European car, A/C tax, taxes and RIV fee for both. But what sounded wrong and, misleading, is how he phrased the taxes as "costs" of importing. To a misinformed viewer, hearing what he said is indeed misleading! Those "costs" he highlighted are also paid for by a Canadian consumer buying a car here in Canada, with the taxes even higher than a car bought in the US.

You guys judge for yourselves. Watch the video on http://toronto.ctv.ca/

Total BS, I watched this as well and thought the same thing...how can he factor GST, PST, and AC tax into the 'Total cost of importing'? Buyers here would pay the same taxes (except less GST and PST because of the lower price). Very lazy journalism.

[killbillvol1]

I saw his report on CTV News at 6pm awhile ago. He detailed how much a used European car and a brand new North American-made SUV. In it, he calculated the 6.1% duty on the European car, A/C tax, taxes and RIV fee for both. But what sounded wrong and, misleading, is how he phrased the taxes as "costs" of importing. To a misinformed viewer, hearing what he said is indeed misleading! Those "costs" he highlighted are also paid for by a Canadian consumer buying a car here in Canada, with the taxes even higher than a car bought in the US.

You guys judge for yourselves. Watch the video on http://toronto.ctv.ca/

I don't think this should be a surprise.

The media is biased towards the auto-makers. Why? Because they are one of the biggest sponsors.

[dotcalamitie]

"how can he factor GST, PST, and AC tax into the 'Total cost of importing'?"

Certainly GST and PST factored in become an importers advantage because we save hundreds or thousands of dollars because of the lower cost of the car. On my 2008 Tribeca, almost $2,000 in taxes were saved buying in the US vs the poor schmuck in Canada buying here.

[trini_2_d_bone]

Mistype - cost of shipping is $1200.00

[propofol]

Propofol, you must be an anaesthetist, because in your first and only post, you haven't written please or thanks. A resident wouldn't be that arrogant.
;)

:)

Please excuse my poor manners! You are of course correct! ;)

[Q8888]

Great news but can you confirm the manufacture date of your 08 MDX? The concern I have is for vehicle manufactured after Sept 1, 2007 that RIV will require a immobilizer that meets CMVSS 114 requirements. Thanks.

manufacture date of my MDX is Sep 07 - you should have no issues with the immobilizer.

[dotcalamitie]

I finally figured out why the price difference exists between US and Canadian cars. For instance, my 2008 Subaru Tribeca price differential of $12,000 can only be attributed to shipping and handling. If Canadian car companies stop delivering vehicles by UPS and keep their hands off the car we'll get lower prices.

[jmlleung]

I hope my input has helped to many of you. I wish I had know about this site and studied it prior to making my mistake with a 2008 Honda Civic. But I am going to keep on fighting and asking questions to Honda US and the RIV.

I know some of you are in the same boat as me and I know working together we might come up with a way to make Honda US file the right paperwork and let us get on with our lives. They have made certain that their dealerships no longer sell to Canadian re.. their memo of October 11th. The dealers are not taking back the cars.

Please pm me if you are in the same boat and want to discuss solutions. I have also created an email address inadmissibleautos@hotmail.com as well.

strength in numbers!

Is it confirmed that 2008 Honda are not admissible into Canada? How about 2008 Acura? And 2007? Thanks.

[whampoa]

I finally figured out why the price difference exists between US and Canadian cars. For instance, my 2008 Subaru Tribeca price differential of $12,000 can only be attributed to shipping and handling. If Canadian car companies stop delivering vehicles by UPS and keep their hands off the car we'll get lower prices.

It's a non-negotiable dealer/manufacturer profit pure and simple. For example, a Canadian Subaru PDI is around $1245 compare to US Subaru freight of $645.

UPS or not, don't tell me a difference of $600 is purely coincidental.

For a freight charge over the border, I can only see an additional 15%-25% on top of the US freight not over 100%.

[fugazi11]

BTW, I briefly chatted with 2 guys who were importing Lexus SUV while I was waiting at the RIV office to pick up inspection form last Friday. They told me the Lexus SUV already comes with bilingual stickers all over the car. I am not sure if it is the same for IS. So, chances are you may not need to worry about anything.

Do you know if they were new or used RX's?

[michelb]

Yay!!! We're passing the $1.05 mark !!! Next stop $1.10

http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=CADUSD=X&t=1d&l=on&z=m&q=l&c= showing above 1.05 at 10AM.

[P5Pimpin]

Looks like the dealers and manufacturers will not be providing me with the recall letter. Can someone confrim this? This is what I've been told by my dealer I've been negotiating with on my MDX. If this is the case what are we todo? Forge one? Any thoughts?

Dragan

I have successfully completed import of new MDX sport - for those waiting reg admissibility - I can confirm it is admissible, it falls under section 5. The immobilizer is not an issue - CT will walk around the vehicle and will not bother about it. If you live in the GTA try CT at East Mall Ave and Queensway.

Some observations:
* US customs did not call back after two tries, I believe too busy to call back these days - there were 10 buyers ahead of me at around 8am. They won't bother to check the car as long as they can see it from their window
* At Lewiston crossing you fill your own Form 1 and they do not fax you recall letter for you. Also no one will inspect the car. Once you pay GST (long line - 30 minutes) you are on your way
* At RIV office you pay and wait around 30 minutes to get your Form 2 - no need to wait 2 days.
* At MTO you can easily have the car registered on someone else's name (I wanted my wife's name on it). I went to Cloverdale mall, familiar with the process, but be prepared to line for 40 minutes.

All can be done within a day.

Many thanks to everyone in this thread for the invaluable assistance - phone/fax number (Lewiston), drawing and pics of US customs office (at Lewinston), and the many others who provided tips and info.

Sad to say my dealer has been requested not to sell to Canadians anymore - used cars are not a problem.

cyber007 - I think we meet at the RIV office, glad to hear you solved your recall letter issue. Great car - congrats.

[BargainBoy]

So I just bought a very slightly used 2007 Honda Odyssey at Valley Honda just outside of Chicago (I know RFDers are supposed to be boycotting Honda but I need a van and Subaru doesn't make one). I would like to bring it across the border at Port Huron / Sarnia. The US Customs website http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/toolbox/contacts/ports/mi/3802.xml shows a fax # for vehicle exports so I suspect they accept faxed copies of documentation required 72 hours in advance. Can anyone confirm what is exactly required in advance at this border crossing ? I have tried calling the Blue Water Bridge office at (810) 985-9541 numerous time but only get a vmail and calls are not returned.

Thanks

[PHANTOMPHOENIX]

This may be a stupid question.

But if Toyota USA is refusing to have their franchises sell to Canadians....what about Toyota Mexico?

Or am I just asking for it. :D

Toyota Camry LE has an MRSP of 245,000 pesos in Mexico which is about 21800 I believe Canadian.

I kill 2 birds with 1 stone then and get my 2 week vacation in Mexico incorporated into my costs. ;)

[cookiemunster]

AMA guide to importing http://www.ama.ab.ca/cps/rde/xchg/ama/web/everything_auto_autovehicleimportation-8999.htm seems to be a pretty good summary of this process too. There is a link there if you're interested in importing from other countries, btw.

[diigii]

This may be a stupid question.

But if Toyota USA is refusing to have their franchises sell to Canadians....what about Toyota Mexico?

Or am I just asking for it. :D

Toyota Camry LE has an MRSP of 245,000 pesos in Mexico which is about 21800 I believe Canadian.

I kill 2 birds with 1 stone then and get my 2 week vacation in Mexico incorporated into my costs. ;)

Does it come with a case of different tequilas? :cheesygri

[NoooProblem]

Yay!!! We're passing the $1.05 mark !!! Next stop $1.10

http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=CADUSD=X&t=1d&l=on&z=m&q=l&c= showing above 1.05 at 10AM.

This is going to freak out the Canadian automobile dealers that (imho) are behind the huge price discrepancy between US and Canadian prices. I'm sure they were praying that the strong C$ was just temporary and they could just ride this one out. But their problem seems to be getting worse. Even cheaper models that a month ago were not worth the hassle of importing may soon be worth the effort. The CTV clip (mentioned a few pages previously) will be out of date...only about 1/2 of the people attending the sponsored importing workshop said they would import a vehicle. Maybe with the C$ strengthening, more than 1/2 would go for it.

[PHANTOMPHOENIX]

Does it come with a case of different tequilas? :cheesygri

Yes, and a Taco Bell Chihuahua :D

[deim]

Guys, this thread is priceless!!!

Could you please help me with the scheme I'm thinking about?

Basically, my wife has a sister in Boston, MA. What if I'll transfer money to her, she buys a car, registers it on her own name (MA sales tax only 5%). After this, we transfer a car from her to my wife's name as a gift - as close relatives they are allowed to do this, no taxes have to be paid.

Now, we go back to Canada, on the border we pay NO taxes (it is a gift, right?), but duty is still on us - 6.1% from the original price of this car, paid by sister (car I'm looking for is not made in NA).

So, is there a mistake somewhere in this scheme?! Looks like I would be able not only buy ANY car, including those, whose manufacturer does not allow sales to canadians, but also I'm saving on taxes?!

In normal situation I would pay GST+PST+duty=8+6+6.1=20.1%, and in this gift scheme MAsalesTax+duty=5+6.1=11.1% - I'm saving 9%, which is another 3-4 thousand bucks?!

Is there anything wrong with this scheme?

[Rehan]

Haha. Wouldn't it be nice if $30k gifts were not taxed? :razz:

The mistake in your calculations is that you do have to pay GST and PST on the full value of the vehicle when it's imported. Even if the rules were different such that you weren't taxed at the border, gifting vehicles between siblings is not one of the tax-exempt transfers...you can see the eligibility list here (http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/used.htm#tax).

So you'd be paying MAsalesTax+GST+PST+duty=5+6+8+6.1=25.1%. Ouch!

[wally_walrus]

He's probably in hiding mode, waiting for the price drop so he can claim he predicted that as well. What an a**hole...

[sb_tor]

Guys, this thread is priceless!!!

Could you please help me with the scheme I'm thinking about?

Basically, my wife has a sister in Boston, MA. What if I'll transfer money to her, she buys a car, registers it on her own name (MA sales tax only 5%). After this, we transfer a car from her to my wife's name as a gift - as close relatives they are allowed to do this, no taxes have to be paid.

Now, we go back to Canada, on the border we pay NO taxes (it is a gift, right?), but duty is still on us - 6.1% from the original price of this car, paid by sister (car I'm looking for is not made in NA).

So, is there a mistake somewhere in this scheme?! Looks like I would be able not only buy ANY car, including those, whose manufacturer does not allow sales to canadians, but also I'm saving on taxes?!

In normal situation I would pay GST+PST+duty=8+6+6.1=20.1%, and in this gift scheme MAsalesTax+duty=5+6.1=11.1% - I'm saving 9%, which is another 3-4 thousand bucks?!

Is there anything wrong with this scheme?


There are many people on this forum more knowledgeable than me, but it sounds like you will still have to pay GST (+PST depending on province).
Still could be a good deal. you can buy any car by paying 5% more.

[sheriffabc]

Guys, this thread is priceless!!!

Could you please help me with the scheme I'm thinking about?

Basically, my wife has a sister in Boston, MA. What if I'll transfer money to her, she buys a car, registers it on her own name (MA sales tax only 5%). After this, we transfer a car from her to my wife's name as a gift - as close relatives they are allowed to do this, no taxes have to be paid.

Now, we go back to Canada, on the border we pay NO taxes (it is a gift, right?), but duty is still on us - 6.1% from the original price of this car, paid by sister (car I'm looking for is not made in NA).

So, is there a mistake somewhere in this scheme?! Looks like I would be able not only buy ANY car, including those, whose manufacturer does not allow sales to canadians, but also I'm saving on taxes?!

In normal situation I would pay GST+PST+duty=8+6+6.1=20.1%, and in this gift scheme MAsalesTax+duty=5+6.1=11.1% - I'm saving 9%, which is another 3-4 thousand bucks?!

Is there anything wrong with this scheme?

You will have to pay GST+ Duty(if not nafta) - they dont have a gift provision above $60 for GST and for Duty. As for PST - you could get an exemption - but your sister-in -law will have to fill in a special form for gift and have it notarized.

I asked this question from the manager of one of the Licensing Office just htis weekend.

Also be careful to make sure the funds are your sister-in-law's - do not have it traced back to you. Because then you are just trying to evade taxes - and opening another can of worms

[dracore]

Haha. Wouldn't it be nice if $30k gifts were not taxed? :razz:

The mistake in your calculations is that you do have to pay GST and PST on the full value of the vehicle when it's imported (even if the rules were different such that you weren't taxed at the border, gifting vehicles between siblings is not one of the tax-exempt transfers...you can see the eligibility list here (http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/used.htm#tax)). So you'd be paying MAsalesTax+GST+PST+duty=5+6+8+6.1=25.1% (ouch!).


Does it have to be the full value of the car? Once you've touched it, the vehicle starts to depreciate and it's considered a used car. So couldn't your relatives just say oh... well I'll "sell" the car to you for $25K instead of $30K thus reducing the amount that you would be taxed.

[st7860]

its whatever the fair market value of the car is.

[sb_tor]

Why then bother with the gift option?

let relative buy car for 30K
let her sell you for 28K (or whatever proper market value) on Jan 1
Import to Canada with 5% GST and duty and PST
The depreciation reduces some of the tax.

note: I said Jan 1 to use the reduced GST but everyone might not want to wait.

[dotcalamitie]

I love the Mexico idea. Let's send transports down to Mexico and bring cars up from there. I guess heated seats wouldn't be an option down there. I can live without that. Life's tough. Drive a Mexican car. Free jumping beans with every purchase.

[HighFlyer]

At least the Mexican car will be metric.

[J233]

Folks,

pls PM me with a name of a broker or insurance company that would give an insurance binder allowing me to bring a US vehicle over to TO. My current insurance, TD H&A will not insure a US vehicle for without seeing papers from Cdn customs but I need to drive somehow to the boarder first....:mad:

[irish80ca]

So the government is hopefully going to drop the GST another 1% come Jan. 1st 2008. Not a huge savings but still better in my pocket than theirs. It might be worth holding out for another 2 months and only having to pay 5% GST.

I have a question. Can I get around paying PST?

If I import the car into Alberta would I still have to pay PST since I'm a resident of Ontario?

Here's a second part to that question, if I WOULD still have to pay it could I have my sister purchase the car in her name since she lives in Edmonton and then resell the car to me?

8% on a $20,000 car adds up.

[Rehan]

I have a question. Can I get around paying PST?

If I import the car into Alberta would I still have to pay PST since I'm a resident of Ontario?

Here's a second part to that question, if I WOULD still have to pay it could I have my sister purchase the car in her name since she lives in Edmonton and then resell the car to me?

8% on a $20,000 car adds up. You'll need to pay the PST when you register the vehicle in Ontario (whereas the GST is paid at the border). Importing into Alberta doesn't help because you'll still need to register it in Ontario. Having your sister purchase it doesn't help either, because sibling-to-sibling transfers are not exempt from tax.

[irish80ca]

You'll need to pay the PST when you register the vehicle in Ontario (whereas the GST is paid at the border). Importing into Alberta doesn't help because you'll still need to register it in Ontario. Having your sister purchase it doesn't help either, because sibling-to-sibling transfers are not exempt from tax.

What if my sister sold the $20K car to me for $15K (on paper). Would I only have to pay PST on that? I'm assuming it's the $15K or "Red book value", which ever is higher.

[Rehan]

What if my sister sold the $20K car to me for $15K (on paper). Would I only have to pay PST on that? I'm assuming it's the $15K or "Red book value", which ever is higher. I'd be careful trying to play that game with MTO... If it's a 2007/2008 vehicle, the Canadian red book value might actually be higher than the price you (or your sister) paid for it south of the border.

[Tender]

I'd be careful trying to play that game with MTO... If it's a 2007/2008 vehicle, the Canadian red book value might actually be higher than the price you (or your sister) paid for it south of the border.

But do you pay PST on a used car?

[sb_tor]

But do you pay PST on a used car?

yes, PST is payable on all private sales.

while buying used car from dealer, have to pay both GST and PST.

[deim]

Yeah... Thanks for a link - looks like sister (or sister-in-law) is not considered as close relative, so, gift idea does not work :-(

Do I have to pay PST on a purchase of used car? This car will be "used" as soon as we leave dealership.

So, if no PST, then MAsalesTax+Duty+GST. MA tax is 5%, and PST - 8%, so still good.

But an excellent point - about source of money. My relatives there are recent students, no way they would be able to hang out $35K for a new car, even theoretically. I mean - no way they would be able to convince anybody (like Revenue Agency).

Damn it!

I hope subaru won't join honda, bmw and other manufacturers in prohibiting sales to canadians in next 6-7 months, when I'll need a new car.

Haha. Wouldn't it be nice if $30k gifts were not taxed? :razz:

The mistake in your calculations is that you do have to pay GST and PST on the full value of the vehicle when it's imported. Even if the rules were different such that you weren't taxed at the border, gifting vehicles between siblings is not one of the tax-exempt transfers...you can see the eligibility list here (http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/used.htm#tax).

So you'd be paying MAsalesTax+GST+PST+duty=5+6+8+6.1=25.1%. Ouch!

[gsuperman]

Look at that Canadian dollar go!

1.0556 as of this afternoon :)

[hotgo]

Do I have to pay PST on a purchase of used car? This car will be "used" as soon as we leave dealership.
For the last time, yes, ALL cars used or new require you to pay PST. This was answered a couple of times for you already.

So, if no PST, then MAsalesTax+Duty+GST. MA tax is 5%, and PST - 8%, so still good.
Why are you having to pay the MA tax? Since you are purchasing for export, you should not have to pay any local state taxes. Is the dealership trying to tell you that you have to? If so, you may want to shop around as you shouldn't have to pay this.

Good luck!

[zenon]

Haha. Wouldn't it be nice if $30k gifts were not taxed? :razz:

The mistake in your calculations is that you do have to pay GST and PST on the full value of the vehicle when it's imported. Even if the rules were different such that you weren't taxed at the border, gifting vehicles between siblings is not one of the tax-exempt transfers...you can see the eligibility list here (http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/used.htm#tax).

So you'd be paying MAsalesTax+GST+PST+duty=5+6+8+6.1=25.1%. Ouch!

As I read the rules for tax exempt gifts, it seems like I could avoid the PST by getting my wife to go buy my subaru, in the US. She imports it but then before she registers it here in ontario, she gifts it over to me and fills out the form so I dont have to pay the PST. Am I missing something here. Has anyone here doen a gift transfer before? Do you need to show proff of the car being resigtered (even if somewhere else) first? If not, I am doing this for sure.

[vim]

Anyone imported Toyota Sienna through broker? If so, how much was their cut? Actually question is more generic - what would be a brokers fee for any car imported from US?

[flatman]

So I just bought a very slightly used 2007 Honda Odyssey at Valley Honda just outside of Chicago (I know RFDers are supposed to be boycotting Honda but I need a van and Subaru doesn't make one). I would like to bring it across the border at Port Huron / Sarnia. The US Customs website http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/toolbox/contacts/ports/mi/3802.xml shows a fax # for vehicle exports so I suspect they accept faxed copies of documentation required 72 hours in advance. Can anyone confirm what is exactly required in advance at this border crossing ? I have tried calling the Blue Water Bridge office at (810) 985-9541 numerous time but only get a vmail and calls are not returned.

Thanks

Bluewater bridge is open 24 hours. They require a fax of the title 72 hours before export. (I don't klnow if weekends count in the 72 hours).

They will not confirm receipt of the fax if you call them (they are too busy).
They tell you to keep your fax transmission redeipt as proof.

My crossing was very quick. Less tahn 10 minutes on the US side and about 20 minutes on CAnadian side.
This was at about 10 p.m. on a Friday.

[crasher]

Anyone imported Toyota Sienna through broker? If so, how much was their cut? Actually question is more generic - what would be a brokers fee for any car imported from US?

5k

[diigii]

As I read the rules for tax exempt gifts, it seems like I could avoid the PST by getting my wife to go buy my subaru, in the US. She imports it but then before she registers it here in ontario, she gifts it over to me and fills out the form so I dont have to pay the PST. Am I missing something here. Has anyone here doen a gift transfer before? Do you need to show proff of the car being resigtered (even if somewhere else) first? If not, I am doing this for sure.

You cannot get away not paying the PST because when you register the car, that IS when you pay the PST, irregardless of who owns it.

[zenon]

You cannot get away not paying the PST because when you register the car, that IS when you pay the PST, irregardless of who owns it.
not if its a gift from a qualified person.
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/used.htm#retail

[johnsa]

not if its a gift from a qualified person.
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/used.htm#retail


You are still importing the car and the PST will apply....

[diigii]

not if its a gift from a qualified person.
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/used.htm#retail

You are trying to avoid paying sales tax on the purchase of the new car. Don't you think the government hasn't thought of all the possible loopholes that taxpayers are trying to use? Just the timing of the transfer of a car that was newly purchased and not previously registered in Ontario is already suspicious of the motive of not paying the PST.

[Raikkonen]

1 CAD = 1.05790 USD 1 USD = 0.945272 CAD

U.S. Purchase = Many more of these in your pockets

;)

http://www.biocrawler.com/w/images/b/bb/Canadian_bills.jpg

[diigii]

hmmmmmm! :idea: i have a color printer here and some linen paper.....:cheesygri

1 CAD = 1.05790 USD 1 USD = 0.945272 CAD

U.S. Purchase = Many more of these in your pockets

;)

http://www.biocrawler.com/w/images/b/bb/Canadian_bills.jpg

[dotcalamitie]

$1.0602

Cripes, my Tribeca is devaluing everying day.... :-(

[Raikkonen]

hmmmmmm! :idea: i have a color printer here and some linen paper.....:cheesygri


LOL, you've got PM.....j/k


Man the New Honda Accord Coupe is sweet....so is the New Altima Coupe....
:confused:

[Rehan]

not if its a gift from a qualified person.
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/used.htm#retail If that scheme worked for imported cars, it would work for local private sales too -- i.e., your wife pays for the car, "gifts" it to you, and then you go and register it without paying any PST. And if that did work, everybody and their aunt's dog would be doing it, so they could avoid the PST.

But the Retail Sales Tax Act (http://www.canlii.org/on/laws/sta/r-31/20070911/whole.html) plugs loopholes like that.

[reddy54]

I have read several posts about Honda not issuing recall letter. Has anyone had recent experience in this regard??

[can2000]

Do the Subaru cars come with manufacture antirust service already? Or need to pay extra ?

Thanks!

[johnsa]

not if its a gift from a qualified person.
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/used.htm#retail

So..just be be clear....even if Santa Clause buys all his toys in the US and happens to pick you up a new car and leaves it under the tree for you Christmas morning, you are going to have to pay PST..Even a notarized Christmas card from the Red Man himself confirming that it was a gift will not get you out of paying the PST.....:cheesygri :cheesygri :cheesygri

[sb_tor]

not if its a gift from a qualified person.
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/used.htm#retail


once you pay the PST (no way around that), you are free to gift it to your wife immediately. no PST second time. Thats what that rule means.

[jadeboy]

Just want to let everyone know that our car experience is still not over but have heard that Toyota has sent the paperwork releasing 2008 Toyotas for import into Canada to RIV last Thursday Oct 25th.


They showed up at our front door this morning just before lunch with their new Avalon...things are looking up for toyota lovers - I think the next official update will be around Nov 9th. Good luck to all you importers!!!

Well, I phoned riv.ca and they told me they have still got nothing from Toyota. Who did you talked to, any news on the Lexus?

[allknowing]

http://www.westherr.com/How_to_Import_Or_Export_Cars_To_Canada_From_USA.cf m

[Lost Horizon]

once you pay the PST (no way around that), you are free to gift it to your wife immediately. no PST second time. Thats what that rule means.

Exactly what I had to do.. they want their pound.. err.. loonie..

[gregorykay]

Hey all,
Im looking to by a Subaru Outback 2007 from the US and i have a couple questions:
1) Anybody have any experience buying this car in the US?
2)How much did you pay for it?
3)What is a good dealership to buy it from that is not too far from the gta (maybe buffalo)?
if you have any other pointers please tell me feel free to PM me

Thanx

[J233]

5k

5K cut for a Sienna ? Waaay too much.

[ChemicalBoy]

Hey all,
Im looking to by a Subaru Outback 2007 from the US and i have a couple questions:
1) Anybody have any experience buying this car in the US?
2)How much did you pay for it?
3)What is a good dealership to buy it from that is not too far from the gta (maybe buffalo)?
if you have any other pointers please tell me feel free to PM me

Thanx

www.carburner.com

go read from it, although most ppl are buying 2008 ones.

[whampoa]

Hey all,
Im looking to by a Subaru Outback 2007 from the US and i have a couple questions:
1) Anybody have any experience buying this car in the US?

Yes, a lot of people, what do you need to know!

2)How much did you pay for it?

It all depends on the trim level and options, lookup at Edmund, carcost and even vanbortel. Unlike Canada, US dealer invoice price are all black and white for everyone to see and compare.

3)What is a good dealership to buy it from that is not too far from the gta (maybe buffalo)?
if you have any other pointers please tell me feel free to PM me

Thanx

Buffalo are pricier and some dealership might not be so anxious to negotiate. Go further to VB for best price in the upstate NY region. Or go even further to the New England states for the cheapest Subaru price.

[Ggilligan]

Well, I phoned riv.ca and they told me they have still got nothing from Toyota. Who did you talked to, any news on the Lexus?

We have talked with both Toyota Canada and RIV and the paperwork to release 2008 Toyotas is at RIV so it depends I guess on who you chat with if they will look it up for you. They told us they only update their lists every 2 weeks and I figure the next update is Nov 9th but the person at RIV suggested our friends have customs call RIV when they were importing their 2008 Avalon Limited and it is now in Canada - I don't know for sure if Lexus is on the list but if it is no different from the 07's can't see why it wouldn't be. Good luck and be patient..it will pay off...and you will likely have the car you want.

[hammer]

I have hit a snag while importing my SCION...Confirmation of fax of MCO/COO has become next to impossible. I have been phoning them for the last 3 days and I am wondering weather to risk a trip to the US. You get an answering machine that they will call you back after you leave your VIN...The fact is they are SWAMPED and they won't. In fact, phone calls after 1pm are not even answered as it appears to be left off the hook...so much for American efficiency....Any advice on this or experience...:confused:

[cyber007]

I just brought my vehicle back this Monday morning and did not get confirmation fax/phone from them. Since they are so busy and nobody will answer your phone call or fax. Just make sure you have the confirmation printout from your fax when you first fax them the title. Wait for three days and you can just go, everything should be fine :).

I have hit a snag while importing my SCION...Confirmation of fax of MCO/COO has become next to impossible. I have been phoning them for the last 3 days and I am wondering weather to risk a trip to the US. You get an answering machine that they will call you back after you leave your VIN...The fact is they are SWAMPED and they won't. In fact, phone calls after 1pm are not even answered as it appears to be left off the hook...so much for American efficiency....Any advice on this or experience...:confused:

[bcbud]

not if its a gift from a qualified person.
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/used.htm#retail

The Sworn (http://www.rev.gov.on.ca/english/forms/rst/pdf/1157.pdf) Statement you need to attest to makes it clear with point 5, Ontario wants its PST, don't mess with the taxman, they always win.

[crasher]

5K cut for a Sienna ? Waaay too much.

Thats roughly I was quoted for both Sienna, and Camry. only thing was that they also ship it to your door, so no mileage on new car. I forgot his ph. so no PM please.

[JWL]

not if its a gift from a qualified person.
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/used.htm#retail

I say go for it and let us know how it works out.

[Nitol]

I have a couple of questions for those who have imported used cars into Canada?

1-Can a vehicle with a "salvaged" title be imported ?
2-Do Vans/Trucks (non foreign) still need to be modified?How extensive?
I heard bumper modification is not needed,am I right?

[jingyu]

Do they take faxed document? I think they will only accept original document.
Which US border service did you used to export your car? Thanks.
I just brought my vehicle back this Monday morning and did not get confirmation fax/phone from them. Since they are so busy and nobody will answer your phone call or fax. Just make sure you have the confirmation printout from your fax when you first fax them the title. Wait for three days and you can just go, everything should be fine :).

[killbillvol1]

Thank you Monsieurmaggot.

Me and my gf imported a used 2004 Solara coupe for around $14000 Cad all in. Biggest issue was a couple of arrogant folks at the Square One DMV.

[Kvach]

Folks, what the best place to purchase USD? I went to TD bank today and they were selling USD for 1.6% more expensive than the official exchange rate. I am trying to buy a Bank Draft, no need for wiretransfer.

[reddy54]

I have read several posts about Honda not issuing recall letter. Has anyone had recent experience in this regard??

[corykg]

Folks, what the best place to purchase USD? I went to TD bank today and they were selling USD for 1.6% more expensive than the official exchange rate. I am trying to buy a Bank Draft, no need for wiretransfer.

I recommend www.XE.com

I'm finding it to be about 0.5%-0.6% above the foreign exchange rate.

[dotcalamitie]

Talk to your bank manager about a large currency exchange and see what deal he will cut you. I trade US Dollars from my US customers purchases - about $150,000 a month - and use an online trading service at Scotiabank called Scotiafx where the bank scoops 0.14 cents per dollar off each transaction - so close to 0.15 percent. I think if you smile at your bank manager you'll get a good deal.

[Bullseye]

Budd's Subaru of Oakville is now importing US Subaru's! I think they're testing their limits with Subaru Canada here, daring them to act against them for it, as it surely must be against dealership rules.

Here's the deal they are offering;

Bring in your US price printout, and they will match the MSRP on it in Canadian dollars (no discounts). They will charge you a $500 import fee, a $400 admin fee, and the Cdn Freight and PDI. Also, if you finance it, the rate will be higher than it would otherwise (presumably because it's not through Subaru Canada).

Still a crap deal compared to buying in the US, but it does cut down the price gap somewhat. You also get a Canadian warranty, avoiding the potential small hassle of sumbitting warranty claims to SoA. Might be a reasonable option for anyone who can't pay cash or arrange financing in Canada for a US buy.

This info is second hand to me, so may not be entirely accurate. Anyone interested should go talk to them yourself. What I posted is all I know.

[dotcalamitie]

That would be awesome if Budds is doing that! Hope they are successful. Let's see them do the same thing with their BMW dealership. I know the owner of Budds is very very wealthy - like most autodealers. Multi millionaires.

[dotcalamitie]

If you get a CDN warranty, then the action must be from Subaru Canada...even better news!!! Let's see where all this goes...Subaru will be the leader. I would thank RFD and Multiline for this one... Let's move on to BMWs now and thank Mr. Duffield, CEO of BMW Canada!!!

[DSTU]

I have a couple of questions for those who have imported used cars into Canada?

1-Can a vehicle with a "salvaged" title be imported ?
2-Do Vans/Trucks (non foreign) still need to be modified?How extensive?
I heard bumper modification is not needed,am I right?

All your answers belong to RIV.

Have you even bothered going there?

[jayoldschool]

I wish we could bring in the Pontiac GTO:mad:

[Monsieurmaggot]

Budd's Subaru of Oakville is now importing US Subaru's! I think they're testing their limits with Subaru Canada here, daring them to act against them for it, as it surely must be against dealership rules.

Here's the deal they are offering;

Bring in your US price printout, and they will match the MSRP on it in Canadian dollars (no discounts). They will charge you a $500 import fee, a $400 admin fee, and the Cdn Freight and PDI. Also, if you finance it, the rate will be higher than it would otherwise (presumably because it's not through Subaru Canada).

Still a crap deal compared to buying in the US, but it does cut down the price gap somewhat. You also get a Canadian warranty, avoiding the potential small hassle of sumbitting warranty claims to SoA. Might be a reasonable option for anyone who can't pay cash or arrange financing in Canada for a US buy.

This info is second hand to me, so may not be entirely accurate. Anyone interested should go talk to them yourself. What I posted is all I know.

They've always been doing this.

They simply did it from their import company next door.

When I was first looking, and the luxury of this thread didn't exist, I offered the guy $2000 above Van Bortel's price. They turned me down.

They're still charging you about $5000 for the priviledge. Don't forget you're paying tax on their "discounted" rate.

Hell, if anyone wants me to import a Subaru for them, I'll do it for half that amount. Heck, I'll do it for FREE!. You're only paying $200 for the RIV fee. There's no other "fees" when importing NAFTA cars like the Legacy, Tribeca or Outback.

[scrolllock]

I have read several posts about Honda not issuing recall letter. Has anyone had recent experience in this regard??

You can go onto their web site and print it out. Or better yet before you buy have the dealer write a letter on their letterhead and attach the computer printout.

[DSTU]

There's no other "fees" when importing NAFTA cars like the Legacy, Tribeca or Outback.

Excellent quote Monsieurmaggot, too bad all these "journalist" always get it wrong.

[dumbass]

Also includes a quote from lackey#1 (Dennis DesRosiers)

http://www.wheels.ca/article/32528


``We've heard the concerns in the media from dealers and customers about the differences in manufacturer's suggested retail prices (MSRPs) in Canada and the U.S.,'' said Stuart Schorr, Chrysler's senior manager of communications.

Online shoppers have reported prices more than $10,000 lower on popular models at U.S. dealer websites in the past month even though the loonie reached par and is now worth more than the U.S. greenback.

Industry analysts have said in the past few weeks that they expected auto makers to push up incentives rather than lower retail prices in reaction to huge price differences on the same vehicles sold in the two countries. ``These are significant incentives,'' said industry watcher Dennis DesRosiers. ``It shows the market is working.''

He also noted auto incentives in Canada are already at record levels.

Analysts expect other big Canadian auto makers to announce their own new incentive packages during the next week.

Auto makers traditionally don't like to lower retail prices temporarily during the model year because that creates volatility in the marketplace.

Spokespeople for General Motors of Canada Ltd. and Ford Motor Co. of Canada Ltd., the two other biggest auto makers in Canada, could not be reached for comment.

Honda Canada and Toyota Canada hinted earlier this week that they were considering moves to address the price problem.

In the past two weeks, two luxury auto makers, BMW and Mercedes-Benz, have boosted incentives for cash buyers in reaction to price differences in Canada and the U.S.

In view of the increasing value of the Canadian dollar, shoppers have expected more bang for their buck in the marketplace but haven't experienced it. The surging Canadian dollar closed yesterday near a 50-year high at $1.0585 (U.S.).

The price difference in the two countries has triggered consumer criticism of the auto makers in Canada for not reducing their prices here. That criticism has intensified because many automakers also refused to sell to Canadians who wanted to buy south of the border.

Automakers said privately in recent weeks they feared that consumers would begin to stay on the sidelines and not shop until prices came down.

In addition to huge incentives for cash buyers and lower financing charges, consumers will have the choice of a $1,250 rebate or Chrysler will make three monthly financing or lease payments of $500.

Among the incentives, the company is increasing the rebate for the 2007 Chrysler 300C by $4,250; financing amounts will drop by $65 a month and the lease rate by $130 a month.

The total cash incentive on the company's 300C flagship model will now be a stunning $9,250.

The incentive on the 2008 Grand Caravan minivan will climb by $1,250; financing will decline by $10 a month and the lease rate will drop by $25 a month. That will increase the overall cash discount on the model to $2,250.

[scrolllock]

Budd's Subaru of Oakville is now importing US Subaru's! I think they're testing their limits with Subaru Canada here, daring them to act against them for it, as it surely must be against dealership rules.

Here's the deal they are offering;

Bring in your US price printout, and they will match the MSRP on it in Canadian dollars (no discounts). They will charge you a $500 import fee, a $400 admin fee, and the Cdn Freight and PDI. Also, if you finance it, the rate will be higher than it would otherwise (presumably because it's not through Subaru Canada).

Still a crap deal compared to buying in the US, but it does cut down the price gap somewhat. You also get a Canadian warranty, avoiding the potential small hassle of sumbitting warranty claims to SoA. Might be a reasonable option for anyone who can't pay cash or arrange financing in Canada for a US buy.

This info is second hand to me, so may not be entirely accurate. Anyone interested should go talk to them yourself. What I posted is all I know.

Check out the adds in the newspapers and go look at a few of the used 2008 Honda Civics and Accords....

[reddy54]

You can go onto their web site and print it out. Or better yet before you buy have the dealer write a letter on their letterhead and attach the computer printout.

The problem is that the dealer does not know that I am exporting the car. If he did he will not sell to me. I am using a USA address in NH where I have a country home.

[mole11]

Just talked to a sales rep in Buffalo who informed me that they will not sell new BMW's to Canadians, but only pre-owned. Has anyone bought a new BMer in the U.S.

[scope11]

Can anyone recommend where to purchase and have installed DRL's? My original plan was to have a dealer in my area do it, but the couple I spoke to are kind of being jerks about it, and I'd rather not bring it there after that. I'm in Ottawa... Is Crappy Tire ok for this type of thing? I don't usually have anything done there.

Thanks.

[cyber007]

No, they don't take faxed document. The original title has to be presented at the US border control office. But you do not need to get confirmation from the them after you faxed your title, they are too busy to return your call or fax, just wait 72 hours and go. If you want a peace of mind, just bring the printout from your fax machine after you successfully faxed them the title to prove you did fax the title 72 hours earlier.

I cross the Queenston/Lewiston border with no problem at all. They find my faxed title based on the VIN, not even bother to check the vehicle, just saw my car from their window and stamp the title, I left their office in 2 minutes.

Do they take faxed document? I think they will only accept original document.
Which US border service did you used to export your car? Thanks.

[ChemicalBoy]

Folks, what the best place to purchase USD? I went to TD bank today and they were selling USD for 1.6% more expensive than the official exchange rate. I am trying to buy a Bank Draft, no need for wiretransfer.

try calforex

http://www.calforex.com/

[andlai]

A quick recap of yesterday:

(1) Left home (Markham, ON) at 6:30 AM
(2) Arrived Northtown Subaru in Buffalo at 9:10
(3) Left the dealership at 11
(4) Stayed 2 minutes in US custom to obatin the stamp on the MSO
(5) Stayed about 25 minutes in Canadian custom for the FORM 1 and paid duty and GST.
(6) Waited for 40 minutes and obatined Form 2 from RIV at around 3 PM
(7) Finised the Canadian Tire (Scarborough) inspection at 4PM
(8) Paid PST and obatin my Ontario licence plate just before 5.

It was a long day but everything was smoothed. Thanks for John Betley at Northtown Subaru. He made the whole process much easier for me. There were 10 Canadian cutomers picking up their new cars yesterday in John's dealership. :D :D :D

Thanks for all the insights and suggestions from this site. Without all the infomation from here, I may not have the courage to go though the whole process. In the end, I saved more than $15K for my Forester 2.5XS Premium. My wife just in love with the car that we can't afford to pay in Canada.

[WalterQ]

Can anyone recommend where to purchase and have installed DRL's? My original plan was to have a dealer in my area do it, but the couple I spoke to are kind of being jerks about it, and I'd rather not bring it there after that. I'm in Ottawa... Is Crappy Tire ok for this type of thing? I don't usually have anything done there.

Thanks.

What kind of car?

[diigii]

A quick recap of yesterday:

(1) Left home (Markham, ON) at 6:30 AM
(2) Arrived Northtown Subaru in Buffalo at 9:10
(3) Left the dealership at 11
(4) Stayed 2 minutes in US custom to obatin the stamp on the MSO
(5) Stayed about 25 minutes in Canadian custom for the FORM 1 and paid duty and GST.
(6) Waited for 40 minutes and obatined Form 2 from RIV at around 3 PM
(7) Finised the Canadian Tire (Scarborough) inspection at 4PM
(8) Paid PST and obatin my Ontario licence plate just before 5.

It was a long day but everything was smoothed. Thanks for John Betley at Northtown Subaru. He made the whole process much easier for me. There were 10 Canadian cutomers picking up their new cars yesterday in John's dealership. :D :D :D

Thanks for all the insights and suggestions from this site. Without all the infomation from here, I may not have the courage to go though the whole process. In the end, I saved more than $15K for my Forester 2.5XS Premium. My wife just in love with the car that we can't afford to pay in Canada.

CONGRATS ON YOUR NEW SUBARU FORESTER!!! Same goes to those other 10 Canadians picking up their new cars at Northtown Subaru.

You are proof that by reading this forum, you get all the answers to all your questions. :cheesygri Please post your savings on the Wall of Savers on www.carburner.com

[dotcalamitie]

I'm working with a friend of mine who has a bunch of dealerships and we're going to bring in a tractor trailer of BMW X5's, 2008's. There is profit to be had by all. Lindsay Duffield isn't the only one who gets to party! Go Flames Go!

[elviswhite]

I'm working with a friend of mine who has a bunch of dealerships and we're going to bring in a tractor trailer of BMW X5's, 2008's. There is profit to be had by all. Lindsay Duffield isn't the only one who gets to party! Go Flames Go!

Where and when? Looking at 08 X5 4.8.

[jingyu]

I am a little bit confused since you said faxed title document is OK and you also said you have to present US export control the original one. My question is do you need to mail them original title or MSO before 72 hrs veirfication or you can fax them using original title ot MSO and not mail them these instead you keep original by youself and only present to them when you drive your new car through US border. Thanks.

No, they don't take faxed document. The original title has to be presented at the US border control office. But you do not need to get confirmation from the them after you faxed your title, they are too busy to return your call or fax, just wait 72 hours and go. If you want a peace of mind, just bring the printout from your fax machine after you successfully faxed them the title to prove you did fax the title 72 hours earlier.

I cross the Queenston/Lewiston border with no problem at all. They find my faxed title based on the VIN, not even bother to check the vehicle, just saw my car from their window and stamp the title, I left their office in 2 minutes.

[elviswhite]

Fournier Auto Sales and Leasing in Oakville has a new 08 RX400h with Nav for $58,900 as well as Scions and new Siennas. Also saw an 08 Acura MDX for $52,000. You have to look it up on Autotrader as their own website only lists old crap.

[jadeboy]

Toyota/Lexus

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/TOYOTA_LEXUS.htm

ADMISSIBLE

1992 TO 2008 All passenger car models except those listed in the inadmissible column
2008 Yaris Sedan (see notes)

INADMISSIBLE

1992 Corolla
1992 TO 1994 Tercel / Paseo
2000 SC400/300
2000 TO 2005 MR2
2005 AND 2006 Scion TC
2008 Yaris Hatchback
2008 Corolla
2008 Prius
2008 Matrix

[cyber007]

Okay. Let's make it clear. The US border control never ask you to mail the original title. They ONLY want you to fax them a copy of your title 72 hours before you cross the border so they can check if the vehicle you are exporting is not stolen or have lien on it. They will need to stamp on your original title/MSO when you physically bring the vehicle cross.

I am a little bit confused since you said faxed title document is OK and you also said you have to present US export control the original one. My question is do you need to mail them original title or MSO before 72 hrs veirfication or you can fax them using original title ot MSO and not mail them these instead you keep original by youself and only present to them when you drive your new car through US border. Thanks.

[i-o_o-i]

Just talked to a sales rep in Buffalo who informed me that they will not sell new BMW's to Canadians, but only pre-owned. Has anyone bought a new BMer in the U.S.

Anyone know if this is the same for buying a mini in the US? Since they are the same company

[scope11]

Originally Posted by scope11
Can anyone recommend where to purchase and have installed DRL's? My original plan was to have a dealer in my area do it, but the couple I spoke to are kind of being jerks about it, and I'd rather not bring it there after that. I'm in Ottawa... Is Crappy Tire ok for this type of thing? I don't usually have anything done there.

Thanks.


What kind of car?

2008 Nissan Versa SL

Thanks

[Trexim]

Okay. Let's make it clear. The US border control never ask you to mail the original title. They ONLY want you to fax them a copy of your title 72 hours before you cross the border so they can check if the vehicle you are exporting is not stolen or have lien on it. They will need to stamp on your original title/MSO when you physically bring the vehicle cross.

That makes sense, although somewhere in these thousands of posts spreading through 500+ pages, I got the impression that, some ports requires you to bring the original title in person to their office 72 hours prior to export day. That is awfully inconvenient as I live more than 2 hours away from the port.

[can2000]

That makes sense, although somewhere in these thousands of posts spreading through 500+ pages, I got the impression that, some ports requires you to bring the original title in person to their office 72 hours prior to export day. That is awfully inconvenient as I live more than 2 hours away from the port.

Can I export the car after submit the documents more than 72 hours? Or must at the day 3 (should be 4th).

Thanks!

[cyber007]

To be honest, I only cross the Queenston/Lewiston border and the information I provided may only be true at this border crossing. Do not want to give wrong information that all US border crossings follows exactly the same rule because based on the information from this thread that they are not :(. You better contact the specific US border control office to confirm if you are not cross Queenston/Lewiston border.

That makes sense, although somewhere in these thousands of posts spreading through 500+ pages, I got the impression that, some ports requires you to bring the original title in person to their office 72 hours prior to export day. That is awfully inconvenient as I live more than 2 hours away from the port.

[cyber007]

You can cross the border any day after the first 72 working hours (I should say three business days I guess). I crossed the border 5 days after I faxed them the copy of title.

Can I export the car after submit the documents more than 72 hours? Or must at the day 3 (should be 4th).

Thanks!

[drwzer]

Has anyone purchased from a dealer in US that required you to have an American address and for car to be registered in the state first. I have NY address but have been talking with a NH Volkswagen dealer and it sounds like I'm responsible for registering and titling the vehicle so is there anything stopping me from just driving back to Canada and skipping the registration. It looks like dealers in NY and NJ do the registering for you so there is no way to avoid it.

[scope11]

Originally Posted by CatchMoreFish
I have imported a 2007 4Runner from US recently. It doesn't have the daytime running light (DRL). I brought it to Canadian Tire for inspection and asked them to install DRL module for me.

The technician checked the car and told me I have the DRL already. I think he doesn't really understand what DRL means. He told me that I can turn the switch to position 1 which turns parking, tail, license plate, side marker and instrument panel light on. So, my car passed the inspection and I got my license plate.

As I understand, the standard DRL on this 4Runner model is the 'Turn Signal' lights. I worry about being pulled over by plice. So, I will still go ahead to install DRL in another shop.

Has anyone installed DRL on imported 4Runner recenlty? Which light is used as DRL? Who did it? I am in GTA, Ontario. PM or post is more than welcome.

Thanks.


A friend of mine bought a 2008 Toyota Tacoma in the greater Vancouver area. Her new truck's daytime running lights are just like yours -- the turn signal lights come on. Apparently Canada has changed their definition of DRL, and studies have found that having just the turn signal lights on are just as effective as having the headlights on during the day.

Can anyone confirm this information? My 08 Versa does not have traditional DRL, but does have parking lights which turns on the the signals and rears.

[andlai]

CONGRATS ON YOUR NEW SUBARU FORESTER!!! Same goes to those other 10 Canadians picking up their new cars at Northtown Subaru.

You are proof that by reading this forum, you get all the answers to all your questions. :cheesygri Please post your savings on the Wall of Savers on www.carburner.com

I forgot to mention that I want to thank all the buddies from here who answered my pm when I had confusions about the car purcahsed process. Your help is highly appreciated. :D :D

[tomasn82]

Were they new or used cars?


Mine was a 2004 w/ 30,000 miles; my dad's is a 2007 with 877 miles on it.

[flatman]

That makes sense, although somewhere in these thousands of posts spreading through 500+ pages, I got the impression that, some ports requires you to bring the original title in person to their office 72 hours prior to export day. That is awfully inconvenient as I live more than 2 hours away from the port.


You MUST contact the border where you plan on crossing. They all have their own rules. Some require the original (or certified copy) and 2 copies in their hands 72 hours before. Some are ok with a fax. Some you can call and confirm they have received the fax. Others just say to keep your fax transmission receipt as proof.

Call the port where you plan on entering and ask them. They will tell you exactly what they need.

[reddy54]

Has anyone purchased from a dealer in US that required you to have an American address and for car to be registered in the state first. I have NY address but have been talking with a NH Volkswagen dealer and it sounds like I'm responsible for registering and titling the vehicle so is there anything stopping me from just driving back to Canada and skipping the registration. It looks like dealers in NY and NJ do the registering for you so there is no way to avoid it.

If the dealer does not register the car then you can drive it straight to the border. Remember to send USA customs the required info 72 hrs before you export

[flatman]

Just completed import of 2005 BMW Z4.
Here's how it went.

First I did an invetory search at BMW USA to identify location of the vehicle I wanted. There seemed to be a good selection in the Chicago area. I live in Toronto and the selection in areas closer to the GTA isn't as good. I suspect these areas have already been "harvested"

I drove down to Chicago on October 16th and looked at 3 cars, Picked the one I wanted and put a $1000 deposit on credit card. Drove home and next day arranged wire transfer of remaining purchase price. Faxed my insurance company the bill of sale and they sent me pink insurance card.

When the dealership confirmed receipt of funds they faxed the title to US borber crossing at Port Huron Michigan. I checked with this crossing to confirm receipt of the fax and was told to just keep the fax receipt as proof. The salesman did this for me. The BMW dealership installed the daytime running light for me and also a front licence plate holder. (hated to do it to the unmarred front of the car, oh well).

Oct 25th drove down to Chicago with my wife and picked up the car. BMW salesman provide me with a Warranty Vehicle Inquiry which was accepted by RIV as a recall letter.While I was in chicago I picked up 4 snow tires for a savings of over $300 includiong tax and duty. Salesman provided a 10 day Ill. trip permit and I was on my way.

Stop at US customs took about 10 minutes. No problem and I was on my way. Cross the bridge, tell the border guy I'm bringing in car and tires and he sends me to Canada customs building. I pay my RIV fee and all taxes (no duty as Z4 made in US) and I'm on my way after about 15 minutes. My birder crossing was at 10 p.m., times may vary at different time of day.

Went to work for a few days to pay for car :).

Oct. 29th I faxed my form one and title and Recall clearence letter to RIV and requested they email me my form 2.

November 1, took car to local garage to have safety and etest done, all passed. Called RIV to ask about form 2. Person on form emailed it and i had it in 1 minute. Took car to independant RIV inspection center in Toronto. In and out in 5 minutes. Drove to MTO and gave them all my paperwork, paid my pst and licence fee. In and out in 15 minutes. Car is now a full Canadian citizen and in my garage.


I want to thank all the poster on this forum, the process has many steps, but if you educate yourself it really isn't that complicated.

On this vehicle if you only take price difference into account the savings including tax btween buying from a US dealership and a Canadian one are
about $16500. If you take into account travel time and gas as well as perhaps a better finance deal from BMW Canada, I think coservatively the savings are in the $13000 range. Also with the appreciation of the dollar in the last 10 days you could save about $1000 more since i bought it!

Thanks again everyone.

[thegradas]

XE Trade


Folks, what the best place to purchase USD? I went to TD bank today and they were selling USD for 1.6% more expensive than the official exchange rate. I am trying to buy a Bank Draft, no need for wiretransfer.

[thegradas]

2008 Sienna @ $21,900 as shown in the picture:
http://tinyurl.com/2twmnt



Fournier Auto Sales and Leasing in Oakville has a new 08 RX400h with Nav for $58,900 as well as Scions and new Siennas. Also saw an 08 Acura MDX for $52,000. You have to look it up on Autotrader as their own website only lists old crap.

[Trexim]

2008 Sienna @ $21,900 as shown in the picture:
http://tinyurl.com/2twmnt

OK, they got my attention .... that's an excellent price ....

EDIT: Wait .... what if they took the picture when it was in the US dealer parking lot ... hence the US price they paid... not what they are actually selling now

[longdong]

2008 Sienna @ $21,900 as shown in the picture:
http://tinyurl.com/2twmnt

are they steeling or what .... even in US you couldn't get Sienna LE 2008 for 21900$

[thegradas]

:confused: don't know :confused:



OK, they got my attention .... that's an excellent price ....

EDIT: Wait .... what if they took the picture when it was in the US dealer parking lot ... hence the US price they paid... not what they are actually selling now

[shopper-X]

2008 Nissan Versa SL

Thanks

Someone at work here imported a 2008 Nissan Altima Coupe and got the local Regina dealer to install the DRL's for $250+Tax (Parts & Labour).

[moguy]

Well, I went ahead and did it.

I just bought a 2007 Lexus IS250 AWD (fully Loaded with Nav) from michigan.

Savings of at least 12G.

I'll give full details AFTER I pick it up for anyone who wants a Lexus contact.

Kudos to everyone on this thread for sticking it to the man:)

[diigii]

Someone at work here imported a 2008 Nissan Altima Coupe and got the local Regina dealer to install the DRL's for $250+Tax (Parts & Labour).

That's a deal, compared to Toronto-area dealers charging $400 + 14% taxes. If only SK is just an hour's drive from Toronto. :cheesygri

[shopper-X]

That's a deal, compared to Toronto-area dealers charging $400 + 14% taxes. If only SK is just an hour's drive from Toronto. :cheesygri

$250 and we have 11% tax...that's a HOT DEAL!

Funny thing is he went to another CT then I did and he said a kid that looked like he was 10 inspected the car. The kid asked if it had DRL and did not even check it.

CT signed a great deal with RIV. RIV must pay CT atleast $100 to do an inspection and they spend less then 2 minutes checking and passing the vehicle.:twisted:

[LoveRFD]

2008 Sienna @ $21,900 as shown in the picture:
http://tinyurl.com/2twmnt

It says $29,900.00? where did it say 21,900?

[eurasian]

Hey guys,

I am from Montreal and I plan to get the 2008 Legacy. I've contacted some dealers in Plattsburgh and Vermont area and got some very interesting prices.

My problem now is financing. I've asked CIBC for a car loan and the variable rate they offer at the moment is 8-9% (minumum). Althought I'd be saving 12k if I paid the car cash, with the interest I'd be paying I'd save much less.

Do any of you guys know a bank/institution that offer some killer deals?

much appreciated!
E.

[diigii]

$250 and we have 11% tax...that's a HOT DEAL!

Funny thing is he went to another CT then I did and he said a kid that looked like he was 10 inspected the car. The kid asked if it had DRL and did not even check it.

CT signed a great deal with RIV. RIV must pay CT atleast $100 to do an inspection and they spend less then 2 minutes checking and passing the vehicle.:twisted:

But two pieces of black electrical tape sure beats your $250 + 11% tax. hahahaha!

Who knows? That kid is really 10 yrs old?! CT is employing child labour? :cheesygri

[accorder]

:lol: this cool site compares US and Candadian car prices and provides a lot of how-to info too.

http://www.ATaleofTwoPrices.com/

[Trexim]

It says $29,900.00? where did it say 21,900?

Ha, they changed the pic. The price was on the windshield of the old pic. The price on the web site was "Call". Of course nobody knows if it's the same car (though they looks the same). Imagine if they make $8000 profit on the import, not even factor in the exchange rate ....

[tico 1948]

Can I export the car after submit the documents more than 72 hours? Or must at the day 3 (should be 4th).

Thanks!

I courier'd my documents a week ahead of time to the U.S. Crossing, no problems at all. They hardly said more than 30 words to me the whole time I was there to show my originals and export the vehicle. They are a very jovial lot(NOT) at the Calais, Maine Customs. Talk about being happy with your job!

[Trexim]

CT signed a great deal with RIV. RIV must pay CT atleast $100 to do an inspection and they spend less then 2 minutes checking and passing the vehicle.:twisted:

Well, it's not RIV money, it's the customers' money .....

[uria]

any luck with any new Hondas?

[LoveRFD]

Ha, they changed the pic. The price was on the windshield of the old pic. The price on the web site was "Call". Of course nobody knows if it's the same car (though they looks the same). Imagine if they make $8000 profit on the import, not even factor in the exchange rate ....

29,900 is a not bad price

[Trexim]

29,900 is a not bad price

Nope, not bad. Kanata Ford charges 29,999 for 15,000 mile Sienna LE

[moguy]

Well, I went ahead and did it.

I just bought a 2007 Lexus IS250 AWD (fully Loaded with Nav) from michigan.

Savings of at least 12G.

I'll give full details AFTER I pick it up for anyone who wants a Lexus contact.

Kudos to everyone on this thread for sticking it to the man:)

I've gotten a ton of PM's about this :)

Sorry everyone, it was used not new!

So I haven't found a Lexus dealer willing to sell new:(

It was the exact color/option combo I was looking for, and it was a reputable Lexus dealer, so I went ahead and bought the demo.

I'll post the dealer info and price next week once I've gotten the vehicle and confirmed there were no issues.

Cheers :)

[tico 1948]

Nope, not bad. Kanata Ford charges 29,999 for 15,000 mile Sienna LE

Geez, did I get ripped-off for paying that much for my '08 Tribeca Ltd. with 84 miles on it?:eek:

[mygong]

:lol: this cool site compares US and Candadian car prices and provides a lot of how-to info too.

http://www.ATaleofTwoPrices.com/



thank you for the information,

[elmst200]

very nice, thank you.
send it to Dennis DesRosier and see how he responses..

:lol: this cool site compares US and Candadian car prices and provides a lot of how-to info too.

http://www.ATaleofTwoPrices.com/

[ManchSubaruDealer]

Hi Guys,
I want to clarify a few things. I have over 300 new cars in my inventory. The only time I need to get a car from another dealer is if I don't have it here. The extra miles don't affect your warranty and we have full time driver's to go get the vehicles. I am willing to work with anyone on a deal. I'm able to work out the details of shipping vehicles closer to where you live. A large car carrier can fit 9 to 11 vehicles on it, so if you band together then you can cut the costs way down. I'm working with a transportation company as we speak. It will take another day maybe two to get a real idea of what the cost will be. I will provide you with all the paperwork necessary to get a car across the border. For all of you who aren't familiar with me, I have sold 10 RFD members this month alone. I have picked customers up at the airport and bus station. I can get the vehicles to you inside of a week if necessary. I also procide you with a free 20 day temporary plate, at delivery, so you can drive your new car home. It is good throughout the United States and Canada for those who were wondering. If you have any questions please email me at the dealership at manchester@subarumail.com or you can call me toll free at (888)223-7455.
Hope to hear from you soon.
Xan Peterson

[tico 1948]

Here she is folks.

http://70.85.225.31/tico_front.jpg
http://70.85.225.31/tico_back.jpg Got her from Xan at Manchester Subaru. Thanks Xan for being there when I arrived, even though it was your day off!

[Kamloops]

$250 and we have 11% tax...that's a HOT DEAL!

Funny thing is he went to another CT then I did and he said a kid that looked like he was 10 inspected the car. The kid asked if it had DRL and did not even check it.

CT signed a great deal with RIV. RIV must pay CT atleast $100 to do an inspection and they spend less then 2 minutes checking and passing the vehicle.:twisted:

RIV pays ct about 37 dollars

[can2000]

Welcome to RFD, Xan !
Hi Guys,
I want to clarify a few things. I have over 300 new cars in my inventory. The only time I need to get a car from another dealer is if I don't have it here. The extra miles don't affect your warranty and we have full time driver's to go get the vehicles. I am willing to work with anyone on a deal. I'm able to work out the details of shipping vehicles closer to where you live. A large car carrier can fit 9 to 11 vehicles on it, so if you band together then you can cut the costs way down. I'm working with a transportation company as we speak. It will take another day maybe two to get a real idea of what the cost will be. I will provide you with all the paperwork necessary to get a car across the border. For all of you who aren't familiar with me, I have sold 10 RFD members this month alone. I have picked customers up at the airport and bus station. I can get the vehicles to you inside of a week if necessary. I also procide you with a free 20 day temporary plate, at delivery, so you can drive your new car home. It is good throughout the United States and Canada for those who were wondering. If you have any questions please email me at the dealership at manchester@subarumail.com or you can call me toll free at (888)223-7455.
Hope to hear from you soon.
Xan Peterson

[Raikkonen]

Maybe a bit out of place.... but in Oct. 1, 1999 I took delivery of a new Honda S2000, the price of which was unannounced until delivery week.

The U.S. pricing was $32,000 USD,
and I was explicitly told by the dealer that the Canadian Honda pricing was determined to be $48,000 CDN based on the 50% foreign exchange rate at the time.

Canadian consumers deserve better. :mad:

[icu_nxtime]

Here she is folks.

http://70.85.225.31/tico_front.jpg
http://70.85.225.31/tico_back.jpg Got her from Xan at Manchester Subaru. Thanks Xan for being there when I arrived, even though it was your day off!

Congrat's I wanted one but the wife made me get a Sienna. I ended up getting it in T.O. too as financing and selling my used car was an issue.

I hope this is still in effect when my lease is up in 3 yrs. Maybe by then our pricing will be closer ;)

[shopper-X]

RIV pays ct about 37 dollars

No wonder they could care less, at least around here.
Even at $37 for 2 minutes is great.

[jnmontario]

I hate to be crass, but what a bunch of colluding/cheating a@@holes. I've been looking to get a 2008 Prius since this debacle began. I hate that Honda and Toyota are the only car companies that sell decent hybrid passenger cars. I hope that my continued letters to Flaherty do something (yeah, right - like he's not bought and paid for). I guess I have to look for a 2007 someplace in the eastern US that hasn't been sold yet.

Toyota/Lexus

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/TOYOTA_LEXUS.htm

ADMISSIBLE

1992 TO 2008 All passenger car models except those listed in the inadmissible column
2008 Yaris Sedan (see notes)

INADMISSIBLE

1992 Corolla
1992 TO 1994 Tercel / Paseo
2000 SC400/300
2000 TO 2005 MR2
2005 AND 2006 Scion TC
2008 Yaris Hatchback
2008 Corolla
2008 Prius
2008 Matrix

[longdong]

Recently I tried to check the price of a used toyota sienna LE 2007 with a little miles on the vehicle.

Few dealers have Toyota Sienna LE 2007 with mileage from 5k miles to 10 k miles .. and they are asking the price from 23.5k to 24.5k .. And you know what for a brand new Toyota Sienna LE 2008, US citizen can get around 24.5k to 25.5k (unfortunely the US toyota dealer couldn't sell new car to us). Hey folks, the US dealer wants to make money from us on a used car (they sucks ...)

[ac328]

Just had a chat with Kirkland Infiniti in Seattle, Washington. Basically wanted MSRP for an in-stock G35x w/ Premium and Navigation, which was US$39,475, plus 400 for daytime running lights, plus 500 "because we don't get advertising money from Infiniti for cars sold to Canadians". Whatever. On the road price = 40,375.

I mentioned GST was dropping in January, and that I would likley hold off till then, and the sales guy said he could compensate me for that if I was to take a car right then and there over the phone. Said there was a little bit of room to move on price but not much, since (fairly enough) Canadians don't go there for warranty or maintenance work, so overall profit is less. Still, he was working from MSRP, not invoice, which wasn't impressive.

I'm from Calgary and looking for the most painless way to get myself a G35.

Anyone out there have similar/better/worse experience regarding getting an Infiniti in Western Canada?

[propofol]

It is absolutely BS that the carmakers themselves are allowed to say what cars will go on RIV's list or not! Why is this allowed to occur?

[can2000]

Here she is folks.

http://70.85.225.31/tico_front.jpg
http://70.85.225.31/tico_back.jpg Got her from Xan at Manchester Subaru. Thanks Xan for being there when I arrived, even though it was your day off!

Nice color!

Would anyone pls post some pictures of Newport Blue Tribeca??

Thanks !

[bcbud]

:lol: this cool site compares US and Candadian car prices and provides a lot of how-to info too.

http://www.ATaleofTwoPrices.com/

Great site, thank you. Added to my favorites for car price research.

[rockyj81]

I heard Auto Manufacturers have told them dealerships not to sell cars to Canadians in States. They are now losing money in the Canadian Market...Has anyone heard about this?

[Ryu69]

Just had a chat with Kirkland Infiniti in Seattle, Washington. Basically wanted MSRP for an in-stock G35x w/ Premium and Navigation, which was US$39,475, plus 400 for daytime running lights, plus 500 "because we don't get advertising money from Infiniti for cars sold to Canadians". Whatever. On the road price = 40,375.

I mentioned GST was dropping in January, and that I would likley hold off till then, and the sales guy said he could compensate me for that if I was to take a car right then and there over the phone. Said there was a little bit of room to move on price but not much, since (fairly enough) Canadians don't go there for warranty or maintenance work, so overall profit is less. Still, he was working from MSRP, not invoice, which wasn't impressive.

I'm from Calgary and looking for the most painless way to get myself a G35.

Anyone out there have similar/better/worse experience regarding getting an Infiniti in Western Canada?

my friend just got an FX35. he originally looked in Washington state but they wouldn't budge on the price, so we went through a broker and got one shipped from california. price was a couple of thousand cheaper then Washington state. this included shipping and the fee from the brokerage. so this maybe a way to go for infinite. can't really say for other dealerships.

[rafku]

COngrats andlai on your Subaru. You beat me by a day at John's desk and by a couple of hours getting things done. Here was my day today (Thursday) just for comparison:

1) Got up at 6:30am (oouch!)
2) Left home at 6:50 for a subway
3) Got on a Greyhound to Buffalo at 8am. Bus left at 8:15.
4) Got to Buffalo at 11:20. 30min late. John Betley was already waiting to pick me up
5) Got to dealer's at 11:45. Paperwork, little test drive etc.
6) Left dealer's at 1:30.
7) Got to US customs at 2pm with minutes. Took 4mins total.
8) Took about 20min at CAN customs. Left around 2:45.
9) Got to RIV just after 4pm. Was the last one they did today! Left RIV 4:40pm
10) Got to CT on Queensway just after 5pm.
11) Got home 5:50 with everything except the plates (that tomorrow). So 11 hours door-to-door.

Thanks everyone on this thread: Thanks to you guys I knew what I was doing so it was easy. And thanks to John Betley: I totally recomend him. He sau they had like 24 Canadians yesterday.

Talking with some guys at RIV, I must say Subaru must be the easiest to import. They took my dealer printout (no recall letter from Subaru necessary), no trouble with dealership, nothing to do re: mods, no warranty problems - just one great Outback. Pure joy!




A quick recap of yesterday:

(1) Left home (Markham, ON) at 6:30 AM
(2) Arrived Northtown Subaru in Buffalo at 9:10
(3) Left the dealership at 11
(4) Stayed 2 minutes in US custom to obatin the stamp on the MSO
(5) Stayed about 25 minutes in Canadian custom for the FORM 1 and paid duty and GST.
(6) Waited for 40 minutes and obatined Form 2 from RIV at around 3 PM
(7) Finised the Canadian Tire (Scarborough) inspection at 4PM
(8) Paid PST and obatin my Ontario licence plate just before 5.

It was a long day but everything was smoothed. Thanks for John Betley at Northtown Subaru. He made the whole process much easier for me. There were 10 Canadian cutomers picking up their new cars yesterday in John's dealership. :D :D :D

Thanks for all the insights and suggestions from this site. Without all the infomation from here, I may not have the courage to go though the whole process. In the end, I saved more than $15K for my Forester 2.5XS Premium. My wife just in love with the car that we can't afford to pay in Canada.

[Shear1]

OK there is a new update of admissable vehicles. Here is what it says under the column of admissable vheicles.

"2008 : Only 2008 models listed in the admissible column and all 2008 models manufactured before September 1st, 2007 are admissible for importation, except those listed in the inadmissible column."

I am interpreting this to say that all 2008s, except the ones listed in the inadmissable column, built before Sept 1, 2007 are OK. Anyone else have an opinion. Thanks in advance

[Rehan]

I am interpreting this to say that all 2008s, except the ones listed in the inadmissable column, built before Sept 1, 2007 are OK. Anyone else have an opinion.That's exactly how I understood that, too -- "all 2008 models manufactured before September 1st, 2007 are admissible for importation, except those listed in the inadmissible column."

[J233]

OK there is a new update of admissable vehicles. Here is what it says under the column of admissable vheicles.

"2008 : Only 2008 models listed in the admissible column and all 2008 models manufactured before September 1st, 2007 are admissible for importation, except those listed in the inadmissible column."

I am interpreting this to say that all 2008s, except the ones listed in the inadmissable column, built before Sept 1, 2007 are OK. Anyone else have an opinion. Thanks in advance

Yeah. I've been reading this over and over again for an hr and I think your interpretation is correct.
On the other hand, looks like ALL 2008 GM minivans and SUVs manufactured before Sept 01 are inadmissible. For 2008 models manufactured after Setp 01 pls call OEM (a call to RIV just confirmed that 2 minutes ago - meaning that I will have to pay GM extra $$ to get a letter of compliance, if the vehicle is admissible).

[ac328]

my friend just got an FX35. he originally looked in Washington state but they wouldn't budge on the price, so we went through a broker and got one shipped from california. price was a couple of thousand cheaper then Washington state. this included shipping and the fee from the brokerage. so this maybe a way to go for infinite. can't really say for other dealerships.

Could you tell me which broker/dealer you went through? More details would be much appreciated. Also, did you have the US dealer do the daytime running lights? Thanks!

[gsuperman]

Here she is folks.

http://70.85.225.31/tico_front.jpg
http://70.85.225.31/tico_back.jpg Got her from Xan at Manchester Subaru. Thanks Xan for being there when I arrived, even though it was your day off!

Grats on the car Tico, nice purchase and enjoy :)

[ymlccc]

confused?!?

Guys, I called few of the Canadian Tire regarding to the RIV inspection and they told me the only time they will do it is Monday to Friday 8:00am to 5:00pm...

Is it true? Did they misunderstood me or this is the rule?

Any Canadian Tire will perform the Form 2 inspection in Montreal during the weekend or after 6:00pm weekday?

Thanks!

[tuzzi]

Just had a chat with Kirkland Infiniti in Seattle, Washington. Basically wanted MSRP for an in-stock G35x w/ Premium and Navigation, which was US$39,475, plus 400 for daytime running lights, plus 500 "because we don't get advertising money from Infiniti for cars sold to Canadians". Whatever. On the road price = 40,375.

I mentioned GST was dropping in January, and that I would likley hold off till then, and the sales guy said he could compensate me for that if I was to take a car right then and there over the phone. Said there was a little bit of room to move on price but not much, since (fairly enough) Canadians don't go there for warranty or maintenance work, so overall profit is less. Still, he was working from MSRP, not invoice, which wasn't impressive.

I'm from Calgary and looking for the most painless way to get myself a G35.

Anyone out there have similar/better/worse experience regarding getting an Infiniti in Western Canada?

I've had some dealings with Kirkland Infiniti. I too am looking for a Super clean 2006-2007 G35, or an new FX35.

Did they mention to you the Documentation fee for exporting to Canada for $1200? Total cash grab IMHO

I got the same song and dance about "Canadians don't go there for warranty or maintenance work, so overall profit is less" Meh, whatever.

I would deal with Beaverton Infiniti in Oregon. They seem much more receptive to Canadian Business.

[Nitol]

I''d really appreciate if someone can answer my question(second time asking with no replies)

Can a used vehicle with "salvage" title be imported into Canada?Is the procedure any different?

[cookiemunster]

I''d really appreciate if someone can answer my question(second time asking with no replies)

Can a used vehicle with "salvage" title be imported into Canada?Is the procedure any different?

Since no one answered, I would say that no one knows that's read it. Why not CALL RIV yourself and ask them? They'd be the ones to give you an accurate answer.

[killbillvol1]

I''d really appreciate if someone can answer my question(second time asking with no replies)

Can a used vehicle with "salvage" title be imported into Canada?Is the procedure any different?

I would probably not go that route, for you car has to undergo a safety inspection as well as the RIV inspection. If they find you need some modifications, and with an import that could be anything it could be bad news.

I could be wrong, but I think I remember reading that salvage titles could not be imported, but not sure of the source. Take a look at the RIV.ca site to confirm.

Good luck!

[jac_3232]

For 2008 models manufactured after Setp 01 pls call OEM (a call to RIV just confirmed that 2 minutes ago - meaning that I will have to pay GM extra $$ to get a letter of compliance, if the vehicle is admissible).

I called GM today, and they wanted the VIN before they could tell me if a 2008 Chevy Colorado was admissible. They are really being a pain in the @$$. Does GM charge for the letter?

[RedMosquito]

I''d really appreciate if someone can answer my question(second time asking with no replies)

Can a used vehicle with "salvage" title be imported into Canada?Is the procedure any different?

depending on the title, it looks like it can if I am reading this correctly: http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/Wrecked.htm

[Nitol]

Thank you all for your replies,I knew someone would point me in the right direction.

[sheriffabc]

I''d really appreciate if someone can answer my question(second time asking with no replies)

Can a used vehicle with "salvage" title be imported into Canada?Is the procedure any different?

No - see riv site

[michelb]

I''d really appreciate if someone can answer my question(second time asking with no replies)

Can a used vehicle with "salvage" title be imported into Canada?Is the procedure any different?

depending on the title, it looks like it can if I am reading this correctly: http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/Wrecked.htm

I would probably not go that route, for you car has to undergo a safety inspection as well as the RIV inspection. If they find you need some modifications, and with an import that could be anything it could be bad news.

I could be wrong, but I think I remember reading that salvage titles could not be imported, but not sure of the source. Take a look at the RIV.ca site to confirm.

Good luck!

As mentioned, it really depends on the title. Also depends if it's been fixed or it. If not, I think it's actually quite a bit easier to have it fixed in the US and bring it in as 'rebuilt'. If you bring it in as rebuildable, I think it's actually quite a process to have a salvaged car plated again. You have to have before/after pictures, you have to have the full parts list and you have to go through a full inspection - much more than a safety check.

That being said I've though about bringing a fixed salvage but I just don't think it's worth it. If you fix it yourself, I think it's a pain in the ass but if you buy one that's already fixed you have no idea how it's been fixed and I'm not sure you want to take that chance unless you really know what the details of the repair are. I would really want documentation, not just the seller's word that it was just a minor issue.

[Nitol]

No - see riv site

It seems some people had related information.

[Nitol]

As mentioned, it really depends on the title. Also depends if it's been fixed or it. If not, I think it's actually quite a bit easier to have it fixed in the US and bring it in as 'rebuilt'. If you bring it in as rebuildable, I think it's actually quite a process to have a salvaged car plated again. You have to have before/after pictures, you have to have the full parts list and you have to go through a full inspection - much more than a safety check.

That being said I've though about bringing a fixed salvage but I just don't think it's worth it. If you fix it yourself, I think it's a pain in the ass but if you buy one that's already fixed you have no idea how it's been fixed and I'm not sure you want to take that chance unless you really know what the details of the repair are. I would really want documentation, not just the seller's word that it was just a minor issue.

It seems too much work and I believe that "Salvaged" or rebuilt designation stays in the Canadian title,right?
That alone and how it's going to effect the resale value could offset any possible savings.
Thanks again for the reply

[Trexim]

Port Alexandria Bay (1000 Island) http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/toolbox/contacts/ports/ny/0708.xml :
Vehicle Exports, 0800-1600 hrs. Mon.-Fri. (excluding holidays), call 315-482-2261 x 295 Original documents are required at the port a minimum of 72 hours prior to export. Faxed or photocopied documents are not accepted. Directions to the vehicle export office: Take Rte. 81N to exit 52, left at stop sign, drive thru 2nd stop sign. Park in parking lot. Vehicle exports are processed in building marked Commerical Processing Center. Vehicle must be present at time of export. Please bring a copy of documents at time of export to facilitate processing. Original documents will be returned at time of export.

:mad: It's about 2 hours from Ottawa ... And I don't feel comfortable courier the original docs to them and have them hold for 72 hours :|

[cookiemunster]

Has anyone that imported a vehicle gone on to sell it in Canada? I have a friend who offered to buy a vehicle if I went through the effort of importing it, and would split the difference in price ($10k difference, so I'd get $5k that I could use toward importing a second vehicle for myself.)

[ManchSubaruDealer]

Hi Guys,

For those of you that don't know me, my name is Xan Peterson. I work at the #1 Subaru dealer in New England called Manchester Subaru. I decided to arrange my own group buy, or sale in my case, because I want this one to be organized in a way that I can handle it in orderly fashion. I want to set a few things straight before I get started.

1) Van Bortel does pay less for their cars because I am part of Subaru of New England while they are part of Subaru of America. On average, I pay anywhere from $400 to $500, sometimes more, than they do, yet my pricing is still lower than theirs...

2) When you receive pricing from Van Bortel, including accessories, they are using what is called "port installed" accessory pricing. I, on the other hand, am using "dealer installed" accessory pricing. The advantage to port installed accessory pricing is that you get a huge discount on the part installed, usually equal to the labor to install the part sometimes even more. The disadvantage is you can only get this port installed pricing if you order the vehicle. This ordering process may take anywhere from 6 to 10 weeks, I don't care what Van Bortel says. The dealer has absolutely no control over the ordering process. If you don't care about the wait, and want to order a vehicle, I can quote you an ordered price. When you email me just ask for the special ordered price.

3) Van Bortel claims my rebates and dealer incentives are better than theirs. This is not true, I have seen their rebates and their's are actually better than mine on most vehicles. The only vehicles that have the same rebates and dealer incentives for both of us are the Tribecas and Imprezas. I remind you, that he pays at least $400 to $500 less per car than I do.

4) The only paperwork needed to cross the border, for a new car, are the certificate of origin, bill of sale, and re-call clearance letter. I provide you with ALL of those. Certain border crossings have different rules on how they accept them. Some accept faxes, others courrier packages, and some require you to bring them in person. You will need to call the border crossing you plan on going through to find out what is acceptable. Once your paperwork is at the border crossing, you have to wait 72 hours, not business hours, to cross.

5) I am not here to mess around. I am serious about selling cars. I only ask you be as serious as I am. I need to know exactly what vehicle you're interested in and what trim level. I need to know if you want a manual or automatic transmission. I need at least two color preferences so I can check for availability, and any accessories you want. Last, I need to know if you want to order the car or not.

Here's what I'm offering. I will provide you with the rock bottom price right upfront. My pricing is all inclusive. No other fees, besides transportation closer to you if you choose that method, will be added to this price. I will arrange for transportation close to the border, if you pay, or you can pick it up in New Hampshire, at no charge. I provide you with a FREE 20-day temporary plate upon delivery that is good all throughout the United States and Canada. Your first tank of gasoline is FREE. I will add any accessories you want. I am familiar with the process of exporting vehicles to Canada and even provide you with ALL the necessary paperwork to cross the border. I can answer ANY questions you have about exporting a vehicle to Canada. I am very upfront and will not steer you wrong, just ask tico 1948 he picked up his new Tribeca just last week. Anyone that is interested can email me at manchester@subarumail.com or call me toll free at (888)223-7455. Just make sure you mention my name. I hope to hear from you soon.

Thanks,
Xan Peterson
(pronounced ZAN)

[tico 1948]

Port Alexandria Bay (1000 Island) http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/toolbox/contacts/ports/ny/0708.xml :


:mad: It's about 2 hours from Ottawa ... And I don't feel comfortable courier the original docs to them and have them hold for 72 hours :|

Hey Trexim, I Courier'd my Documents to Calais, Maine for my export purposes. Used DHL Courier:) , sent my paperwork over 1 week in advance and no problems whatsoever. The Courier Companies Live or Die by their reputations for not screwing up.A suggestion regarding your Cert. of Origin (which is a very important document) is to have a Scanned Copy made of it. It looks just like the original, colour, everything.Even the serial number of the certificate shows up perfectly:D . Just be sure to send a copy of front & back. Be sure to sign the back where the "purchasers" signature goes. I sent a cover letter with my Document package stating what I was sending and the reason for it, along with the anticipated date of exportation. When I arrived @ U.S. Customs with the vehicle, they just compared my original Cert. of Orig. with the copy they had, stamped my original kept the scanned copy of the front of the C.O.O. and sent me on my way. Painless! Have faith, save your time by not having to play delivery person!

[tico 1948]

Thanks Folks for the kind comments about my new baby. Special thanks to my buddy, Symcrapico, and my 17 yr. old computer competent son for helping me to post the photos. I'm a Computer Klutz, along with other things:twisted:

[sika]

Does the Recall clearance letter form the manufactures need to state my name and address or is OK just the VIN # with the LOGO on the top.

Can it be E-mailed instead to be mailed?
Does it have to be COLOR or can be also B&W?

Can anybody post a sample image of their Recall clearance letter? this will help while on RIV.ca is no sample image....

Thanks!

[stock_junkie]

That's alot of inadmissible models!

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/TOYOTA_LEXUS.htm

Toyota

ADMISSIBLE
1992 TO 2008 All passenger car
models except those listed in the
inadmissible column
2008 Yaris Sedan (see notes)

INADMISSIBLE
1992 TO 1994 Tercel / Paseo
2000 SC400/300
2000 TO 2005 MR2
2005 AND 2006 Scion TC
2008 Yaris Hatchback
2008 Corolla
2008 Prius
2008 Matrix


Honda

ADMISSIBLE
1992 TO 2007 All models.
2008 Acura TSX
2008 Acura TL
2008 Acura RL
2008 Honda S2000

INADMISSIBLE
All other 2008 models not listed in
the admissible column.
See explanations on cover page.

[Bullseye]

Does the Recall clearance letter form the manufactures need to state my name and address or is OK just the VIN # with the LOGO on the top.

Can it be E-mailed instead to be mailed?
Does it have to be COLOR or can be also B&W?

Can anybody post a sample image of their Recall clearance letter? this will help while on RIV.ca is no sample image....

Thanks!

RIV needs the print out of the the vehicle history showing no recalls, not just the letter. Several people have encountered this now, including myself. My dealer (VB) provided it, I just didn't send it originally, thinking they didn't need that part, but they do.

B&W is fine. Scanned and e-mailed is fine.

[heavychemist]

Is it confirmed that 2008 Honda are not admissible into Canada? How about 2008 Acura? And 2007? Thanks.
According to the latest list posted on the RIV web site (http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/VAFUS.pdf) most 2008 Honda's and Acura's are inadmissible. The only models that are are the 2008 Acura TSX, TL, and RL and the 2008 Honda S2000. Looks like this might be another way that Honda is prevently us from buying cars in the States.

This whole price difference between Canada and the US is totally ridiculous. Hell, even prices at the toll price going to the US at Sarnia are different, with Canadian prices being higher then US prices.

I'm seriously looking at Subaru's right now. I'd love to buy a Toyota Rav4 in the States but the dealers I've contacted said that they can't sell to Canadians. I don't think they are particularly happy about it either as they know that they can make a killing selling to us.

Anyone know if Nissan has closed the dealer doors to Canadians?

HC

[kmare]

For those that have successfully imported a new vehicle. For US customs 72h clearance: does the MSO need to be notarized by the dealer? My dealer will fax me a blank copy of the MSO at anytime but obviously will not notarize it until I pay for the car.

I am a little hesitant to wire the money for a car that is unseen and would prefer to pay the day of delivery. any advice out there?

[superwell]

According to the latest list posted on the RIV web site (http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/VAFUS.pdf) most 2008 Honda's and Acura's are inadmissible. The only models that are are the 2008 Acura TSX, TL, and RL and the 2008 Honda S2000. Looks like this might be another way that Honda is prevently us from buying cars in the States.

This whole price difference between Canada and the US is totally ridiculous. Hell, even prices at the toll price going to the US at Sarnia are different, with Canadian prices being higher then US prices.

I'm seriously looking at Subaru's right now. I'd love to buy a Toyota Rav4 in the States but the dealers I've contacted said that they can't sell to Canadians. I don't think they are particularly happy about it either as they know that they can make a killing selling to us.

Anyone know if Nissan has closed the dealer doors to Canadians?

HC

You guys worry to much about what is and isn't admissable. Your rushing. What I am saying is any type of car that is some what a regular car..so like a 2008 accord, will become admissable in the near future, this is a guarantee, why you ask..because if they weren't then all the dealerships other then honda dealerships themselves would close down because they would not be able to import cars themselves....case and point brokers here in canada would all close down in the near future if cars started to become nonadmissable. What the car companies do is they limit what can and can't come in all at once, it keeps a few things in check, firstly they allow their cheaper or not so good sellers to get a jump on the gun and 2 it allows an even playing field between all car companies because if everyone was allowed to import every car from every car company then the hype on certain cars would not be there as everything would seem to "easy" to get.

[eurasian]

Hi,

I tried it once but got no answer, let me try again...

Does anyone know a bank or institution who gives car loan with great rates?

I saw some 6%, but it's only for Ontario, I am from Montreal.

thanks a lot

[fugazi11]

http://www.globeinvestor.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071102.wloonie1102/GIStory/

Time to head to the Forex center

[fugazi11]

Hi,

I tried it once but got no answer, let me try again...

Does anyone know a bank or institution who gives car loan with great rates?

I saw some 6%, but it's only for Ontario, I am from Montreal.

thanks a lot


Where did you find 6% in Ontario?

[Raikkonen]

http://www.ataleoftwoprices.com/

excellent price comparison of Canada versus U.S., thank you to OP

Of the few cars I checked, we're paying 29-49% more in msrp PLUS

If you factor in freight/pdi on Canada being 100% more on many cars (1360CDN versus 635 USD on a Honda accord is actually 120% more if consider foreign exchange is now...

1.00 CAD = 1.06811 USD

That is GOUGING!!

[icu_nxtime]

Hi Guys,

For those of you that don't know me, my name is Xan Peterson. I work at the #1 Subaru dealer in New England called Manchester Subaru. I decided to arrange my own group buy, or sale in my case, because I want this one to be organized in a way that I can handle it in orderly fashion. I want to set a few things straight before I get started.

1) Van Bortel does pay less for their cars because I am part of Subaru of New England while they are part of Subaru of America. On average, I pay anywhere from $400 to $500, sometimes more, than they do, yet my pricing is still lower than theirs...

2) When you receive pricing from Van Bortel, including accessories, they are using what is called "port installed" accessory pricing. I, on the other hand, am using "dealer installed" accessory pricing. The advantage to port installed accessory pricing is that you get a huge discount on the part installed, usually equal to the labor to install the part sometimes even more. The disadvantage is you can only get this port installed pricing if you order the vehicle. This ordering process may take anywhere from 6 to 10 weeks, I don't care what Van Bortel says. The dealer has absolutely no control over the ordering process. If you don't care about the wait, and want to order a vehicle, I can quote you an ordered price. When you email me just ask for the special ordered price.

3) Van Bortel claims my rebates and dealer incentives are better than theirs. This is not true, I have seen their rebates and their's are actually better than mine on most vehicles. The only vehicles that have the same rebates and dealer incentives for both of us are the Tribecas and Imprezas. I remind you, that he pays at least $400 to $500 less per car than I do.

4) The only paperwork needed to cross the border, for a new car, are the certificate of origin, bill of sale, and re-call clearance letter. I provide you with ALL of those. Certain border crossings have different rules on how they accept them. Some accept faxes, others courrier packages, and some require you to bring them in person. You will need to call the border crossing you plan on going through to find out what is acceptable. Once your paperwork is at the border crossing, you have to wait 72 hours, not business hours, to cross.

5) I am not here to mess around. I am serious about selling cars. I only ask you be as serious as I am. I need to know exactly what vehicle you're interested in and what trim level. I need to know if you want a manual or automatic transmission. I need at least two color preferences so I can check for availability, and any accessories you want. Last, I need to know if you want to order the car or not.

Here's what I'm offering. I will provide you with the rock bottom price right upfront. My pricing is all inclusive. No other fees, besides transportation closer to you if you choose that method, will be added to this price. I will arrange for transportation close to the border, if you pay, or you can pick it up in New Hampshire, at no charge. I provide you with a FREE 20-day temporary plate upon delivery that is good all throughout the United States and Canada. Your first tank of gasoline is FREE. I will add any accessories you want. I am familiar with the process of exporting vehicles to Canada and even provide you with ALL the necessary paperwork to cross the border. I can answer ANY questions you have about exporting a vehicle to Canada. I am very upfront and will not steer you wrong, just ask tico 1948 he picked up his new Tribeca just last week. Anyone that is interested can email me at manchester@subarumail.com or call me toll free at (888)223-7455. Just make sure you mention my name. I hope to hear from you soon.

Thanks,
Xan Peterson
(pronounced ZAN)

It's never a good idea from a sales point of view to openly bash a competitor makes you look desperate !!!
Let people get their quotes and make their decision based on price, referrals, good business sense AND trust in the salesrep\dealership.

My 2 Cents

[Bullseye]

Hi,

I tried it once but got no answer, let me try again...

Does anyone know a bank or institution who gives car loan with great rates?

I saw some 6%, but it's only for Ontario, I am from Montreal.

thanks a lot

I posted an idea here a few pages back that is worth looking into. Apply for the MBNA 0% for a year card posted in Hot Deals. They gave me $15k, had it in my bank account within 2 weeks of applying, you can do whatever you want with the money.

After the year is almost up, you could look for another cheap balance transfer offer, or have a LOC set up to flip it over onto.

[eurasian]

Fugazi: I dont' remember the name of the institution and the rate was 6.25%, I found it over the internet, and when I called, they told me it's for Ontario only. So I left it there. It's not a popular bank and I don't even think it's a bank.

Bulleyes: thanks man, I'll look in to that. Can you ask for more than 15K or is that the limit? and do you remember which of the 515 pages your post was?? lol

Anyone else has any suggestions? thanks!

[Bullseye]

Bulleyes: thanks man, I'll look in to that. Can you ask for more than 15K or is that the limit? and do you remember which of the 515 pages your post was?? lol

Anyone else has any suggestions? thanks!

I think $15k is the max for it, I make decent money and have perfect credit, that's what I got, and also what a higher income co-worker got.

If you need more, you could try the Citi 0% deal posted as well. I haven't done that one, but I think it's for only 9 months.

I repeated all the info above, so no need to search for my previous post on it.

[spdztr]

Hi,

I tried it once but got no answer, let me try again...

Does anyone know a bank or institution who gives car loan with great rates?

I saw some 6%, but it's only for Ontario, I am from Montreal.

thanks a lot

You don't have to specifically get a "car loan". The banks don't really care what you use the money for. Any loan or line of credit will do. Just look around the banks' websites or call the offices to find the one that will give you the best rate.

[johnsa]

You don't have to specifically get a "car loan". The banks don't really care what you use the money for. Any loan or line of credit will do. Just look around the banks' websites or call the offices to find the one that will give you the best rate.

That is true for an unsecured line of credit which will have a floating rate of about 7.5+%, but not so for low rate loans...these are reserved specifically for newer vehicle loans....the newer vehicle has to be taken as security to get these lower rates..in most cases...

[flaming homer]

RIV needs the print out of the the vehicle history showing no recalls, not just the letter. Several people have encountered this now, including myself. My dealer (VB) provided it, I just didn't send it originally, thinking they didn't need that part, but they do.

B&W is fine. Scanned and e-mailed is fine.It's either or. EITHER the print-out from dealer (in certain cases) OR for 100% compliance, the letter from the MANUFCATURER (not Dealer). Back in May 2007, a letter from the DEALER was sufficient, that has changed...

FYI: Subaru of America will get a letter of recall to you within 1 business day if you call them, acquire a case number, and fax them with front/back of the certificate of origin + bill of sale.

[perfchris]

You guys worry to much about what is and isn't admissable. Your rushing. What I am saying is any type of car that is some what a regular car..so like a 2008 accord, will become admissable in the near future, this is a guarantee, why you ask..because if they weren't then all the dealerships other then honda dealerships themselves would close down because they would not be able to import cars themselves....case and point brokers here in canada would all close down in the near future if cars started to become nonadmissable. What the car companies do is they limit what can and can't come in all at once, it keeps a few things in check, firstly they allow their cheaper or not so good sellers to get a jump on the gun and 2 it allows an even playing field between all car companies because if everyone was allowed to import every car from every car company then the hype on certain cars would not be there as everything would seem to "easy" to get.

You are absolutley right ! How do you explained that one someone on another forum called Honda USA and told them the situation with his 2008 Civic, they were told that if he provides US ID and insurance they will send him a letter stating that the Civic meets Canadian immobilizer rules ! Sounds like they are using this immbilizer rule to delay or block importation of the most popular models..... Hopefully Transport Canada and the riv will catch wind of this....

P.S. A technician had a look at the schematics of a 2008 US model Civic and a Canadian one, there is NO difference in the schematics nor part number:

HONDA how do you explain that ! ( We all know you are lurking on this site !)

[moguy]

Anyone know a foreign exchange location around Markham/Thornhill that has good rates?

Bank rates stink.

[HCaulfield]

does anyone know of any importers or brokers who will do the "legwork" and i pay them a fee?

[superwell]

You are absolutley right ! How do you explained that one someone on another forum called Honda USA and told them the situation with his 2008 Civic, they were told that if he provides US ID and insurance they will send him a letter stating that the Civic meets Canadian immobilizer rules ! Sounds like they are using this immbilizer rule to delay or block importation of the most popular models..... Hopefully Transport Canada and the riv will catch wind of this....

P.S. A technician had a look at the schematics of a 2008 US model Civic and a Canadian one, there is NO difference in the schematics nor part number:

HONDA how do you explain that ! ( We all know you are lurking on this site !)


At the end of the day we have the power now..our CDN dollar is worth more then the US and it looks like it's on the rise..so why rush. I bet just after christmas, the $ will hover around $1.10 and also those cars that are not importable now will be.

[DSTU]

Hi Guys,

For those of you that don't know me, my name is Xan Peterson. I work at the #1 Subaru dealer in New England called Manchester Subaru. I decided to arrange my own group buy, or sale in my case, because I want this one to be organized in a way that I can handle it in orderly fashion. I want to set a few things straight before I get started.

1) Van Bortel does pay less for their cars because I am part of Subaru of New England while they are part of Subaru of America. On average, I pay anywhere from $400 to $500, sometimes more, than they do, yet my pricing is still lower than theirs...

2) When you receive pricing from Van Bortel, including accessories, they are using what is called "port installed" accessory pricing. I, on the other hand, am using "dealer installed" accessory pricing. The advantage to port installed accessory pricing is that you get a huge discount on the part installed, usually equal to the labor to install the part sometimes even more. The disadvantage is you can only get this port installed pricing if you order the vehicle. This ordering process may take anywhere from 6 to 10 weeks, I don't care what Van Bortel says. The dealer has absolutely no control over the ordering process. If you don't care about the wait, and want to order a vehicle, I can quote you an ordered price. When you email me just ask for the special ordered price.

3) Van Bortel claims my rebates and dealer incentives are better than theirs. This is not true, I have seen their rebates and their's are actually better than mine on most vehicles. The only vehicles that have the same rebates and dealer incentives for both of us are the Tribecas and Imprezas. I remind you, that he pays at least $400 to $500 less per car than I do.

4) The only paperwork needed to cross the border, for a new car, are the certificate of origin, bill of sale, and re-call clearance letter. I provide you with ALL of those. Certain border crossings have different rules on how they accept them. Some accept faxes, others courrier packages, and some require you to bring them in person. You will need to call the border crossing you plan on going through to find out what is acceptable. Once your paperwork is at the border crossing, you have to wait 72 hours, not business hours, to cross.

5) I am not here to mess around. I am serious about selling cars. I only ask you be as serious as I am. I need to know exactly what vehicle you're interested in and what trim level. I need to know if you want a manual or automatic transmission. I need at least two color preferences so I can check for availability, and any accessories you want. Last, I need to know if you want to order the car or not.

Here's what I'm offering. I will provide you with the rock bottom price right upfront. My pricing is all inclusive. No other fees, besides transportation closer to you if you choose that method, will be added to this price. I will arrange for transportation close to the border, if you pay, or you can pick it up in New Hampshire, at no charge. I provide you with a FREE 20-day temporary plate upon delivery that is good all throughout the United States and Canada. Your first tank of gasoline is FREE. I will add any accessories you want. I am familiar with the process of exporting vehicles to Canada and even provide you with ALL the necessary paperwork to cross the border. I can answer ANY questions you have about exporting a vehicle to Canada. I am very upfront and will not steer you wrong, just ask tico 1948 he picked up his new Tribeca just last week. Anyone that is interested can email me at manchester@subarumail.com or call me toll free at (888)223-7455. Just make sure you mention my name. I hope to hear from you soon.

Thanks,
Xan Peterson
(pronounced ZAN)

This is what is great about the US - Cutthroat competition, the consumers benefits.

Here in Canada their is virtually no competition between dealers, its an ogliopoly. 80 Families owns 80% of all dealerships in Canada.

I saw screw them all and buy in the US :)

[jafferk]

Two things will cause the Canadian dollar to rise over the next 30 days.
- US housing crisis will continue on a slow downward spiral. (no signs of bottoming out yet)
- Oil may hit $100.
Both of the above will cause the US $ to go down and the CDN $ to go up, so I agree that $1.10 is coming over the next 30 days!!!!!! Get your money ready to buy a car in the US.

[elmst200]

Soaring loonie hits Canadian showrooms
Car shoppers have 'unrealistic' demands, says sales manager
MARK TOLJAGIC
SPECIAL TO THE STAR
Nov 02, 2007
A funny thing happened to Peter on the way to the dealership to buy a car: he flexed his consumer muscle.
He had been keen to buy a new coupe – the BMW 3 Series and the just-released Infiniti G37 caught his fancy – when the uproar over the U.S.-Canada price disparity stopped him in his tracks.
"I'm not willing to spend my money now," he says, citing the massive gap between sticker prices and the "obstructionist" tactics manufacturers are using to keep Canadians out of American showrooms.
"I had been in touch with a BMW dealer in Buffalo who told me that he was prevented from selling me a new car," says Peter (he doesn't want his surname disclosed because he works in the car industry).
So he's decided to wait it out.
"I'm convinced that if their sales numbers start to decline, manufacturers will have to make price adjustments as a concession to Canadian buyers."
He's not alone in exercising his consumer might.
Anecdotally, dealers are reporting quieter showrooms these days, despite the launch of next-generation models during what is the traditional start of the new model year – a development that has spooked the industry. Incentives such as those announced this week by Chrysler and Volvo are the latest way that the industry is hoping to turn the tide.
One General Motors new-car sales manager, who asked to remain anonymous, blamed the present hysteria around the strong Canadian dollar for consumers' "unrealistic" expectations by demanding deep price cuts to match American stickers.
"Consumers are ill-informed about buying in the U.S., and they think if everyone's doing it, it must be a good thing," she says. But she admits even her own sales staff don't fully understand the issue.
"We get a lot of customers who talk about buying in the U.S., but they're a little confused. They don't realize they have to pay cash," says Eastway Chrysler new-car sales manager Mike Popescu, one of the few dealers willing to let Wheels use his name.
"They tell me they can buy a Jeep Compass for $15,000 down there, a model that can cost $26,000 here. I tell them go ahead and try – you're going to be back in two months."
He says the currency brouhaha has made customers uncertain, so they're not committing to anything.
"The word is out there. It prolongs the decision to purchase – and that's the problem," says Popescu.
Mohamed Bouchama, executive director of CarHelpCanada.com, says dealers have been complaining to him about consumers' reluctance to sign on the dotted line.
"Dealers are screaming. Their showrooms are quiet. They tell me: `The manufacturers are being stubborn; we wish they would do something about pricing.'
"A Toyota dealer confessed he only sold eight cars last weekend; he would usually sell 18 or 20 vehicles on a Saturday."
Bouchama believes dealers are reluctant to speak out publicly, afraid to jeopardize their allotment of popular, profitable models assigned by the manufacturer.
Indeed, a Toyota dealer refused to talk when reached for comment and referred all media inquiries to the Canadian headquarters.
"Toyota sent a notice today telling all of us (dealers) not to speak to reporters. You'll have to call them," said a voice on the line.
Mike Karim, dealer principal at both a Chrysler and Mazda store and who writes the Dealer's Voice column for Wheels, confirms business has slowed significantly this fall as buyers investigate the ins and outs of purchasing in the U.S., or have withdrawn from the market altogether until prices drop.
"Three things can happen to address the present market: our dollar falls to previous levels; Canadians give up this notion they can shop in the U.S.; or manufacturers make their products more affordable in Canada," he says.
"Frankly, I can't foresee either of the first two things happening anytime soon, so our best bet is seeing some price adjustments coming from the manufacturers."
Karim points to encouraging signs: Porsche's 8 per cent price drop as well as BMW's recently announced rebate programs and favourable lease rates. And earlier this week, Chrysler and Volvo have rolled out larger incentive packages.
Karim is adamant that the blame rests squarely on the shoulders of the manufacturers, who dictate the invoice prices dealers pay for their products.
"We retailers don't have much say in it (pricing). Please direct your wrath at the manufacturers."
If dealers are grumbling, they're not showing it.
When Chrysler CEO Robert Nardelli and president Jim Press spoke at a recent company meeting in Las Vegas, the executives told their 460 Canadian dealers they will not be getting pricing relief to address Canada's rising loonie.
The Canadian dealers responded with standing ovations, reported the trade website WardsAuto.com.
One dealer who isn't complaining is CanadianCarsDirect.com, a website operated by a Mitsubishi/Hyundai dealer in Michigan. "I've had 50 calls from Canada today alone," says a sales rep over the phone.
Yet despite the high interest, only a small percentage of shoppers actually take the plunge.
"We've sold 150 cars into Canada so far," the rep adds. "I call them `pioneering Canadians' who venture across the border. It's not for everyone."
The firm uses an intermediary in Sarnia to deliver the vehicles into Canada, where customers can pick them up as they would any new vehicle. "Just bring your licence plates and away you go."
CanadianCarsDirect.com looks after the paperwork, federal compliance, safety inspection and all duties as part of its pricing.
"I had one customer from Toronto who came to pick up his new Hyundai Veracruz for a savings of $7,000," the salesperson relates.
"He told me he made $1,000 per hour that day, since the round trip took him seven hours."
Like the others, the rep is loath to give out his name, fearing retribution from the auto companies. In fact, he corrects himself by saying he does not sell new cars, but vehicles with "ultra-low mileage."
"If I was selling 1,500 cars a year to Canadians, that would definitely arouse suspicions," he says about the prospect of being found out by head office. "But with the Metro Detroit economy tanking, what choice do I have?"
A competing Canadian service based in Halifax, BuyUSAcars.ca, has also garnered plenty of interest from prospective buyers, but most don't qualify because they're shopping inexpensive models.
"If the savings are less than $3,000, we tell people to just drive a harder bargain with their local dealer," says Jack, who did not want his last name published.
That's because the firm's brokerage fee is $2,400. Jack notes that 200 inquiries may result in 10 quotes, of which only one eventually becomes a sale. That one sale will likely be a luxury-car buyer who will save significantly.
"I just delivered a loaded Lincoln Navigator to a customer, a truck that costs $86,000 in Canada, taxes in. The U.S. model ended up costing him $62,000 delivered."
BuyUSAcars.ca is a sideline business of Auto Rail Forwarders, an established transportation company that ships vehicles across North America by train.
"We have an American company that approaches U.S. dealers to purchase vehicles on behalf of our customers," explains Jack.
But he admits the supply chain is shifting daily as manufacturers clamp down on the practice.
"Manufacturers are threatening dealers in the U.S. not to sell to us, which sounds kind of illegal to me. These dealers are independent businesses that have invested a lot of money to sell a brand of vehicles, and now the factory is dictating who they can sell to."
George Iny, president of the Automobile Protection Association, knows the frustration of working in an ever-changing environment.
The Montreal-based consumer group has been brokering deals to buy vehicles in the U.S. on behalf of its members.
Last month, workers loading Toyotas onto an APA-contracted truck at a Scranton, Pa., dealership were stopped when head office threatened the dealer.
"The carmakers are going out of their way to make it difficult," says Iny.
"The rules are changing weekly; new barriers are being thrown up all the time."
Consumer advocates Iny and Bouchama agree there's an easy way out of the present mess: manufacturers could announce substantial cash rebates, rather than lower MSRPs, to protect the residual values of leased vehicles on the road.
"Offer short-term incentives, like cash back, for the next six months to help dealers move their product," Bouchama urges.
It's a simple solution, but one that some manufacturers are reluctant to adopt after decades of favourable exchange rates.
When Nissan unveiled its all-new Rogue for 2008, it priced the compact SUV at $24,998 in Canada and $19,250 in the U.S. The difference is actually $8,548 – a markup of 44 per cent – when the all-wheel-drive models are compared.
"Our pricing is based on the Canadian competitive set and is not based on American pricing," wrote Nissan Canada spokesperson John Lindo in an email.
A new model with no "legacy" pricing to contend with (which can impact residual values on vehicles already leased to customers), Nissan could have addressed the U.S.-Canada gap by pricing the Rogue closer to its American counterpart.
But it chose not to, explaining that (as many makers recite like a mantra), it pays no attention to markets beyond the Canadian border.
"But if they're adamant the U.S. market doesn't matter to them, why are they meddling with import restrictions and asking their U.S. dealers to block sales to Canadians?" asks Iny.
He suggests car sales have been too good in model year 2007 for manufacturers to respond to the price issue, and the actual number of vehicles crossing the border is relatively small (an estimated 160,000 units, many of them used).

[elmst200]

One benefit Canadians are beginning to see is the impact of used American cars being sold beside Canadian cars on lots here.
Andrew Gorman, general manager of Gorrud's Auto Group in Milton, says the pre-owned U.S. vehicles that Canadian dealers are importing are putting downward pressure on all prices. "The used American Toyota Sienna minivans I'm selling are around $3,000 cheaper than the Canadian vans."
He's had to adjust pricing on the latter to keep them moving.
What Gorman won't do is import new U.S. vehicles for resale. "I will not compromise our new-car dealers' livelihood."

[TorontoEh]

I changed my mind to get a civic few weeks ago but with Honda USA...giving a NO NO NO to candian buyers....i may as well just go back to my other option.....A SUBIE :)

[Bullseye]

"They tell me they can buy a Jeep Compass for $15,000 down there, a model that can cost $26,000 here. I tell them go ahead and try – you're going to be back in two months."

Let's all give a big raised middle finger to these arrogant dealers, show them you mean business. Buy in the US, or delay buying here until they press their respective manufacturers for lower pricing here.

I've generally had sympathy for Cdn dealers, but lines like that really tick me off. If that's their attitude, then let 'em starve.

[scope11]

According to the latest list posted on the RIV web site (http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/VAFUS.pdf) most 2008 Honda's and Acura's are inadmissible. The only models that are are the 2008 Acura TSX, TL, and RL and the 2008 Honda S2000. Looks like this might be another way that Honda is prevently us from buying cars in the States.

This whole price difference between Canada and the US is totally ridiculous. Hell, even prices at the toll price going to the US at Sarnia are different, with Canadian prices being higher then US prices.

I'm seriously looking at Subaru's right now. I'd love to buy a Toyota Rav4 in the States but the dealers I've contacted said that they can't sell to Canadians. I don't think they are particularly happy about it either as they know that they can make a killing selling to us.

Anyone know if Nissan has closed the dealer doors to Canadians?

HC


I bought a brand new Nissan last week in NY.

[scrolllock]

It is absolutely BS that the carmakers themselves are allowed to say what cars will go on RIV's list or not! Why is this allowed to occur?

This is allowed because Canadians have a very hard time standing up for their rights. We all know that Transportation Canada is making the rules. Funny the rule on immobilizers came up now! I am sure they could make an exception, given the fact that they have seemed to have botched the immplementation. The IBC web site for the last couple of years clearly indicated the cars that did not meet the specification. Why didn't the RIV simply use this and warn people about this problem. They only did it on October 22nd. Anyone bringing in a car prior to that should have an exemption...... But then again ...These rules are made to protect the big multi-nationals.....

Honda America told me that in order to get a safety compliance letter an American would have to buy a Honda Civic in the U.S. and be transferred to Canada. They would need to provide a U.S. Passport and proof of re-location.

As of today their position seems to be that the immobilizer does not pass Canadian Safety standards but for an American it will pass!

I thought that another way would be to have an American buy the Civic 2008 for his daughter/son who is going to be attending University in Canada. She will be living there for 6-12 months and needs the letter.

Somehow this will happen, but in the meantime all the cars that have been imported will have to be exported or destroyed.

Even if we do find a way, I have a feeling that the Government will find a way to protect Honda Canada at the expense of the every day consumer like you and me. They wil just change the rules again and find another roadblock!Unless we can pool our resources. We need to find a rich dude that wants to make a name for himself! We need a leader that can fight for the consumer? APA?

All of us really need to rattle some chains!

[ac328]

I've had some dealings with Kirkland Infiniti. I too am looking for a Super clean 2006-2007 G35, or an new FX35.

Did they mention to you the Documentation fee for exporting to Canada for $1200? Total cash grab IMHO

I got the same song and dance about "Canadians don't go there for warranty or maintenance work, so overall profit is less" Meh, whatever.

I would deal with Beaverton Infiniti in Oregon. They seem much more receptive to Canadian Business.

This is a great website and forum!!!

So, just chatted with Pat of Beaverton Infiniti, as you said they're much more willing to deal. Usual song and dance about no money from servicing and warranty down the road, so less profit for them, blah blah, blah.

However, off the bat quoted about 39,500 on the road for G35x w/Premium and Nav, 37,500 No nav. Much better than Kirkland. Of course, Beaverton (Portland) OR is 3 hours further away than Seattle, but still.

Another plus is that they have loads of colour combinations to choose from, unlike Kirkland, who wanted to stick me with either beige or black, neither of which I wanted. Oh and if I didn't want Navigation, I would "have to special order that, and that's a 90 to 110 day wait." BS.

Thanks for the tip, waiting to hear back from a Minneapolis Infiniti dealer, Lupient (the ones with the ad welcoming Canadians).

[bmm34]

I am getting closer to buying a Subaru and I had a few questions I was hoping to get help on.

- I am looking at coming across on either the 22nd or 23rd of Nov which is the american Thanksgiving. Will the US border agency be open for me to properly export the vehicle prior to importing it into Canada
- I am torn between Manchester and VB. If I buy from Manchester what border is the best to cross between New Hamshire and Buffalo?
- How do you send the proper documentation to the border 72 hours in advance if you only make the payment in full the day you plan to cross? I think you have to send the title or MSO 72 hours in advance. The dealer I doubt would transfer the title without full payment.

I am sure all these questions are covered some where in this thread; however, I have read so much on the topic I am starting to confuse myself.

thanks

[scrolllock]

It seems some people had related information.

I would suggest you get it in writing and notarized by transport canada. The RIV can't make any decisions . They execute only, following the fules ( typo!) that TC put in place and change back and forth on a daily basis.

[diigii]

"They tell me they can buy a Jeep Compass for $15,000 down there, a model that can cost $26,000 here. I tell them go ahead and try – you're going to be back in two months."

Let's all give a big raised middle finger to these arrogant dealers, show them you mean business. Buy in the US, or delay buying here until they press their respective manufacturers for lower pricing here.

I've generally had sympathy for Cdn dealers, but lines like that really tick me off. If that's their attitude, then let 'em starve.

I wish that the Canadian buyers who were told this by the arrogant Chrysler salesperson do come back to him in less than two months with a brand new Jeep Compass bought in the US and call him out and tell the prick, "you told us to come back in two months. so now we're back with a new Compass. Thank you for telling us."

Oh I just love to shove his cars in the lot up his ass!

As for me and everybody who got their cars now, we won't be walking inside Canadian dealerships for the next 10 years. And the word of mouth and interest we give to family, relatives, friends and colleagues, we turn these reluctant buyers because of high prices here in Canada to willing buyers going to the US. Canadian manufacturers' execs think that Canadians don't have money to a car in the US. Well, they're dead wrong. They have $$$$$ money $$$$$!! I have about 4 people who have decided to buy their cars in the US after I taught them how the process is, and are now in the process of locating their respective dealers to deal with.

[dotcalamitie]

"When Chrysler CEO Robert Nardelli and president Jim Press spoke at a recent company meeting in Las Vegas, the executives told their 460 Canadian dealers they will not be getting pricing relief to address Canada's rising loonie.
The Canadian dealers responded with standing ovations, reported the trade website WardsAuto.com."

You know, this is the sort of thing that says it all. We consumers have to take action. Don't let your friends and family buy here. Tell everyone you know about buying in the USA.

[scrolllock]

You are absolutley right ! How do you explained that one someone on another forum called Honda USA and told them the situation with his 2008 Civic, they were told that if he provides US ID and insurance they will send him a letter stating that the Civic meets Canadian immobilizer rules ! Sounds like they are using this immbilizer rule to delay or block importation of the most popular models..... Hopefully Transport Canada and the riv will catch wind of this....

P.S. A technician had a look at the schematics of a 2008 US model Civic and a Canadian one, there is NO difference in the schematics nor part number:

HONDA how do you explain that ! ( We all know you are lurking on this site !)

TC says that it is up to the Manufacturer to determine if the car meets or beat the Canadian Standard. The RIV simply executes their rules. Someone in Transportation Canada needs to use some common sense!

[perfchris]

TC says that it is up to the Manufacturer to determine if the car meets or beat the Canadian Standard. The RIV simply executes their rules. Someone in Transportation Canada needs to use some common sense!

We need to mass e-mail Transport Canada and the Ministry of Transportation of Canada. This is SCANDALOUS !

Does anyone have contact numbers and e-mails of TC in Ottawa ?

[scrolllock]

I

As for me and everybody who got their cars now, we won't be walking inside Canadian dealerships for the next 10 years. And the word of mouth and interest we give to family, relatives, friends and colleagues, we turn these reluctant buyers because of high prices here in Canada to willing buyers going to the US. Canadian manufacturers' execs think that Canadians don't have money to a car in the US. Well, they're dead wrong. They have $$$$$ money $$$$$!! I have about 4 people who have decided to buy their cars in the US after I taught them how the process is, and are now in the process of locating their respective dealers to deal with.

Bravo, Just wait until some US Bank that is getting kicked in the #### right now because of ABCP and sub-prime loans decides that they should start loaning Canadians US dollars... I am sure they would clean-up. As a matter of fact if I had lots of money right now I would loan it to every car buyer at prime US plus 1!!!

Only a matter of time!

[scrolllock]

We need to mass e-mail Transport Canada and the Ministry of Transportation of Canada. This is SCANDALOUS !

Does anyone have contact numbers and e-mails of TC in Ottawa ?

Email: webfeedback@tc.gc.ca
Phone: 613-990-2309
TTY:1-888-675-6863
Fax: 613-954-4731 / 613-998-8620
Mailing Address:
Transport Canada
330 Sparks Street
Ottawa, ON
K1A 0N5

[Ggilligan]

I am getting closer to buying a Subaru and I had a few questions I was hoping to get help on.

- I am looking at coming across on either the 22nd or 23rd of Nov which is the american Thanksgiving. Will the US border agency be open for me to properly export the vehicle prior to importing it into Canada
- I am torn between Manchester and VB. If I buy from Manchester what border is the best to cross between New Hamshire and Buffalo?
- How do you send the proper documentation to the border 72 hours in advance if you only make the payment in full the day you plan to cross? I think you have to send the title or MSO 72 hours in advance. The dealer I doubt would transfer the title without full payment.

I am sure all these questions are covered some where in this thread; however, I have read so much on the topic I am starting to confuse myself.

thanks

I can only tell you that Thanksgiving is the most travelled holiday in the US - so it will be busy everywhere. Black Friday Nov 23 is like our boxing day- great deals everywhere - stores open very early and the crowds are usually crazy. Shop shop shop if you can stand it you get some get deals!

[scope11]

We need to mass e-mail Transport Canada and the Ministry of Transportation of Canada. This is SCANDALOUS !

Does anyone have contact numbers and e-mails of TC in Ottawa ?

From the site:

Email: webfeedback@tc.gc.ca
Phone: 613-990-2309
TTY:1-888-675-6863
Fax: 613-954-4731 / 613-998-8620
Mailing Address:
Transport Canada
330 Sparks Street
Ottawa, ON
K1A 0N5

or email the Minsister - The Honourable Lawrence Cannon, Minister of Transport, Infrastructure and Communities:

mintc@tc.gc.ca

[rafku]

RIV needs the print out of the the vehicle history showing no recalls, not just the letter. Several people have encountered this now, including myself. My dealer (VB) provided it, I just didn't send it originally, thinking they didn't need that part, but they do.

B&W is fine. Scanned and e-mailed is fine.



That is not true. Recall clearance letter from MANUFACTURER (not dealer) is always enough. In some cases RIV would accept dealer printout (but usually not dealer-generated recall clearance letter).

[whampoa]

I am getting closer to buying a Subaru and I had a few questions I was hoping to get help on.

- I am looking at coming across on either the 22nd or 23rd of Nov which is the american Thanksgiving. Will the US border agency be open for me to properly export the vehicle prior to importing it into Canada.

Neither date, Nov. 22nd is Thanksgiving and I doubt the US border agency is open. And unless you're willing to wait two to three hours to cross the border and risk the chance it might close for the day, I will scratch Nov. 23rd as well.

[bmm34]

I am down in Boston on business that week anyway so I thought I would take the 22nd to drive back and shop and then cross 1st thing in the morning on the 23rd in Buffalo.

Neither date, Nov. 22nd is Thanksgiving and I doubt the US border agency is open. And unless you're willing to wait two to three hours to cross the border and risk the chance it might close for the day, I will scratch Nov. 23rd as well.

[whampoa]

Soaring loonie hits Canadian showrooms
Car shoppers have 'unrealistic' demands, says sales manager
MARK TOLJAGIC
SPECIAL TO THE STAR
Nov 02, 2007
...
If dealers are grumbling, they're not showing it.
When Chrysler CEO Robert Nardelli and president Jim Press spoke at a recent company meeting in Las Vegas, the executives told their 460 Canadian dealers they will not be getting pricing relief to address Canada's rising loonie.
The Canadian dealers responded with standing ovations, reported the trade website WardsAuto.com.
One dealer who isn't complaining is CanadianCarsDirect.com, a website ...

Geez, did Chrysler ship a boat load of Canadian Chrysler worker to Las Vegas and made a spectacle out this crap. I guess they didn't heard about the jobs cut at the meeting, eh!

I doubt they were Canadian dealers either, if it was then I guess they're either tone deaf or got their hand grease with Casino chips.

[dsds]

Hello. 1st post but have been reading for months.

Stressed out like everyone else over 2008 purchase in limbo.

Here is a dealer north of Seattle who wants to move inventory. Maybe they have new 2007's left or 2008 built before the big Sept 1 2007 date:


"Hi there Canadian customers! I just wanted to inform you that our dealership is willing to sell new cars to you from 11/02 through 11/04. I know that it is short notice. But we can sell you any vehicle in our stock at MSRP but it must be a cash deal. Feel free to come on down if you can, but be sure to ask for Wendy or Ginger. Hope to see you this weekend."


Ginger

Have a Fabulous day!

WENDY CLIFFTON
INTERNET MANAGER
GINGER JOHNSON

INTERNET REPRESENTATIVE
RODLAND TOYOTA IN EVERETT

(425)353-1111 OR (800) 308-6968

[huskylord]

ha, I see some accounting entries happening here

[dsds]

Reply to being told about RIV.ca and not getting 08's over border:

"Other Toyota dealerships are selling 2008's to canadians full time. We are talked with Toyota and they said that they really had no way to track vehicles unless they offered the incentives for cash back rebates or financed. So the owner and the sales manager agreed to open it up this weekend. All of the border rules still apply, but it has to be a cash deal, no trade in's or financing."


Ginger

[scrolllock]

That is not true. Recall clearance letter from MANUFACTURER (not dealer) is always enough. In some cases RIV would accept dealer printout (but usually not dealer-generated recall clearance letter).

Seems there is many different stories.. I was told by Honda America if I am an American Citizen and I own a Honda Civic 2008 and I am being re-located to Canada, they will issue me a recall letter.

This letter also includes a clause that states that the vehicle meets Canadian Safety Standards!

[orkhan]

1 US = 93 cents lol cant believe it... has there ever been better time to buy a car from states? lol

[diigii]

1 US = 93 cents lol cant believe it... has there ever been better time to buy a car from states? lol

ummm....NOW?! :cheesygri

[5136440]

Has anyone that imported a vehicle gone on to sell it in Canada? I have a friend who offered to buy a vehicle if I went through the effort of importing it, and would split the difference in price ($10k difference, so I'd get $5k that I could use toward importing a second vehicle for myself.)

You have 1 less friend. How many left?

[Bullseye]

1 US = 93 cents lol cant believe it... has there ever been better time to buy a car from states? lol

Crazy...the Outback I bought just last Monday would have been over $1,000 less had I bought it today instead!

[cookiemunster]

You have 1 less friend. How many left?

What? No less friends, this friend knows perfectly well how easy the process is, and I've urged them to just do it themselves, but they can't be bothered. If I don't do it, they're just going to buy something here. This was not at my urging, but because of my insistence that they're getting gouged here. They can afford to buy here, and this was their idea.

I'm not interested in importing 20 and starting my own car lot :rolleyes:

[vim]

I know this is not confirmed, but I heared from the good source that Honda and Acura might announce price adjustments as early as this weekend.

Hopefully this is true.

[jwstewart]

"Hi there Canadian customers! I just wanted to inform you that our dealership is willing to sell new cars to you from 11/02 through 11/04. I know that it is short notice. But we can sell you any vehicle in our stock at MSRP but it must be a cash deal. Feel free to come on down if you can, but be sure to ask for Wendy or Ginger. Hope to see you this weekend."

Ginger

Call me a cheapskate, but I actually don't want to pay MSRP on either side of the border!

[propofol]

Call me a cheapskate, but I actually don't want to pay MSRP on either side of the border!

Exactly. Americans negotiate from INVOICE not MSRP. Maybe this is the first dealership starting to play games with the huge potential Canadian interest... No can do. Make the deal as if you lived in the States - that's what I'm planning to do...

[diigii]

Two days ago, Wal-Mart Canada announced effective immediately they will sell at US list prices for books, magazines, greeting cards, etc., just two weeks after they announced video games to be sold at par with their US prices. I knew it would only be a matter of time. Immediately, Chapters Indigo lowered their books by 20%. Now, Sears Canada is following the trend!

HOOORAAY Canadian consumers who have pressured them by cross-border shopping in the US. You all deserve a commendation for standing up for our consumer rights.

TOGETHER, WE HAVE THE MONETARY POWER TO TELL THESE CORPORATIONS THAT IT IS THE CONSUMER WHO DETERMINES THEIR SUCCESS OR FAILURE. HEED OUR COLLECTIVE VOICE OR YOU WILL BE IN THE REDNEXT YEAR.

[bmm34]

Help please. for those who have went through the process, did you pay for the car in full prior to picking it up? You need to get the title to the border 72 hours in advance of crossing. Unless you made two trips you must have paid in full prior to picking it up.

Please shed some light on the subject.

thanks,

[diigii]

Help please. for those who have went through the process, did you pay for the car in full prior to picking it up? You need to get the title to the border 72 hours in advance of crossing. Unless you made two trips you must have paid in full prior to picking it up.

Please shed some light on the subject.

thanks,

Of course, you have to pay for the car in full. The US dealership will not even give you the keys if you haven't paid in full.

[longdong]

Exactly. Americans negotiate from INVOICE not MSRP. Maybe this is the first dealership starting to play games with the huge potential Canadian interest... No can do. Make the deal as if you lived in the States - that's what I'm planning to do...

The dealer is right, the dealer can not get the rebate from manufacture if you didn't give them the customer name and address (registration)... but you can negotiate from MSRP price - few hundred dollars ... but for thousands dollars rebate from manufacture you couldn't get it.

[Tender]

Help please. for those who have went through the process, did you pay for the car in full prior to picking it up? You need to get the title to the border 72 hours in advance of crossing. Unless you made two trips you must have paid in full prior to picking it up.

Please shed some light on the subject.

thanks,

Of course, you have to pay for the car in full. The US dealership will not even give you the keys if you haven't paid in full.

How did Karl from VB do it? He doesn't require you to wire money in advance.

[Raikkonen]

I know this is not confirmed, but I heared from the good source that Honda and Acura might announce price adjustments as early as this weekend.

Hopefully this is true.

Heard this, but more in terms of option/accessories/incentives, as opposed to actual price reductions.

LOL

Not good enough.

[whampoa]

How did Karl from VB do it? He doesn't require you to wire money in advance.

No he doesn't, but you still have to pay in full, either certified cheque, cashier cheque ( or whatever they called it this day) or USD cash.

Make certain you declare the amount of the cheque or cash to the US border guard, or else Mr. Hurt is waiting for you in that little room.

[LoveRFD]

This thread is going to get 1 MILLION views soon!

[diigii]

How did Karl from VB do it? He doesn't require you to wire money in advance.

He accepts US bank drafts, though he posted that wire transfers are convenient for both parties since the money is in their bank account and you get to leave his dealership so you make it in time to the Lewiston US Customs. With the bank draft, he will have to make sure the money is clear and that takes time.

[sb_tor]

No he doesn't, but you still have to pay in full, either certified cheque, cashier cheque ( or whatever they called it this day) or USD cash.

Make certain you declare the amount of the cheque or cash to the US border guard, or else Mr. Hurt is waiting for you in that little room.

I think the question being asked is: do you pay in full while picking up the car, or do you have to pay few days in advance, i.e. is full payment required for the title to be faxed to the border.

[bigbug]

TC says that it is up to the Manufacturer to determine if the car meets or beat the Canadian Standard. The RIV simply executes their rules. Someone in Transportation Canada needs to use some common sense!

The common sense is: when you buy cars in Canada for higher price, the fed/provincial pocket more tax money. So they would never say a word about the auto industry ripoff.

[longdong]

I think it's good because not alot of dealer willing to sell you the Toyota right now , also for 2008, you can get max 1000$ --> 2000$ rebate for Sienna,Camry, Corolla .. if anybody knew any dealer in EASTERN canada can do this let's me know. I will buy from that

The dealer is right, the dealer can not get the rebate from manufacture if you didn't give them the customer name and address (registration)... but you can negotiate from MSRP price - few hundred dollars ... but for thousands dollars rebate from manufacture you couldn't get it.

[longdong]

I think it's good because not alot of dealer willing to sell you the Toyota right now , also for 2008, you can get max 1000$ --> 2000$ rebate for Sienna,Camry, Corolla .. if anybody knew any dealer in EASTERN canada can do this let's me know. I will buy from that dealer

The dealer is right, the dealer can not get the rebate from manufacture if you didn't give them the customer name and address (registration)... but you can negotiate from MSRP price - few hundred dollars ... but for thousands dollars rebate from manufacture you couldn't get it.

[Tender]

No he doesn't, but you still have to pay in full, either certified cheque, cashier cheque ( or whatever they called it this day) or USD cash.

Make certain you declare the amount of the cheque or cash to the US border guard, or else Mr. Hurt is waiting for you in that little room.

He accepts US bank drafts, though he posted that wire transfers are convenient for both parties since the money is in their bank account and you get to leave his dealership so you make it in time to the Lewiston US Customs. With the bank draft, he will have to make sure the money is clear and that takes time.

Oh just to clarify, my question was how did Karl provide the title 72 hours before he was paid (if the dealer insist on full payment before providing the title)? Apparently he accepts payment when you pick up the car, but doesn't he provide the title to/for you before that to make sure your car gets clearance from the U.S. border?

[hotgo]

Oh just to clarify, my question was how did Karl provide the title 72 hours before he was paid (if the dealer insist on full payment before providing the title)? Apparently he accepts payment when you pick up the car, but doesn't he provide the title to/for you before that to make sure your car gets clearance from the U.S. border?

+1 I would like clarification as well.

[diigii]

Oh just to clarify, my question was how did Karl provide the title 72 hours before he was paid (if the dealer insist on full payment before providing the title)? Apparently he accepts payment when you pick up the car, but doesn't he provide the title to/for you before that to make sure your car gets clearance from the U.S. border?

I've read from Van Bortel buyers here that you sign the purchase agreement which he sends in advance to you. The way he deals with you is with a lot of trust that you will keep your word with him. In turn, he makes your buying experience worthwhile by doing the paperwork and faxing to US Customs so that when you come to pick up the car, you can drive back to Canada on the same day. He sends you on your way by 11:30am so that you have enough time to make it for the US Customs inspection well before the 4pm deadline.

[diigii]

This thread is going to get 1 MILLION views soon!

I've heard that Monsiuermaggot will donate a free Subaru 3.0R LL Bean for the 1-millionth post. :lol:

[Tender]

I've read from Van Bortel buyers here that you sign the purchase agreement which he sends in advance to you. The way he deals with you is with a lot of trust that you will keep your word with him. In turn, he makes your buying worthwhile by doing the paperwork and faxing to US Customs.

That's good to know. Thanks diigii and whampoa. You've both been very helpful in this thread.

[5136440]

It's never a good idea from a sales point of view to openly bash a competitor makes you look desperate !!!
Let people get their quotes and make their decision based on price, referrals, good business sense AND trust in the salesrep\dealership.

My 2 Cents

+1

Xan, relax Dude. Please do not underestimate the RFD's intelligence. There are always pros and cons we are facing and honestly, do we care how or where you get the cars from and how much your cost are? WE want a deal, so give us a fair deal and we'll find out, good or bad.

Look at Zach(BTW where is Zach recently ), try to answer some questions here and help out first. You will get business.

[flaming homer]

How does everyone here feel about extended warranty ?

According to Van Bortel, paradoxically when a 2008 Subaru enters "extended" warranty the Canadian dealers will repair without pre-payment...

[longdong]

I've heard that Monsiuermaggot will donate a free Subaru 3.0R LL Bean for the 1-millionth post. :lol:

maybe he needs to get another car because 1 loonie = 1.07 US poor dollar right now. So on a car of 30000 US = 28000 Canadian .... alot cheaper now

[longdong]

with today rate the Tribeca limited 2008 costs around 27k Canadian .. what's a deal . and www.multiline.ca is still asking 33k (US import model) ... man a big saving from US.. a real deal with saving of 17k from Canadian model.

[P5Pimpin]

NEWS FLASH

My local dealer just contacted me about the latest news that has come thru the wire at Honda/Acura
.
He has stated that he is able to get me $9000.00 Cash back. The is for only a short time until inventory levels come down if we pay cash? The other offer that they have is 0.9% finance but you do not get the cash back. Just wanted to let everyone know...

[Gromit]

Wow, the 2008 Sienna isn't admissable. Very surprising.

[Bullseye]

How does everyone here feel about extended warranty ?

According to Van Bortel, paradoxically when a 2008 Subaru enters "extended" warranty the Canadian dealers will repair without pre-payment...

I skipped it. I figured if they are going to sell me an extended warranty for that many more years/miles for $1000, it's because the odds of the vehicle needing more warranty repairs within that time frame is very low. They sell these to make money, not lose it.

As per the latest consumer Reports reliability study, Subaru has pulled ahead of Toyota into the top 2 with Honda. They are obviously making very well built vehicles, and they are confident about them.

[vim]

Wow, the 2008 Sienna isn't admissable. Very surprising.

Where did you find this? I know some people from this forum already imported and registered Sienna 2008.

[rafku]

Few pple asked this question and I got some PMs on this.

In my case I took a bank draft with me (make sure you declare it at the border). This is since Lewinston border crossing only requires a fax 72h in advance, so a dealer can fax the title without actually parting with this, and he can do it with a deposit only.

For those crossings that require an original, you may need to pay in advance or do a trip twice. Someone else who crossed at thousand islands (I think there they need original??) should elaborate

[michelb]

Wow, the 2008 Sienna isn't admissable. Very surprising.

Where did you find this? I know some people from this forum already imported and registered Sienna 2008.

Yup, check the RIV list. Sienna's manufactured after Sept 2007 are INADMISSABLE - which is kind of odd since the RIV / TC websites seem to suggest that for cars without the immobilizer, you can just add an aftermarket but this clearly says INADMISSABLE not ADMISSIBLE WITH MODIFICATION.

[bmm34]

Thanks. I plan to buy with Xan on Monday & I was just getting a little nervous about the whole thing. I plan to give him a deposite, he will then fax the purchase agreement which I will sign. I will then wire tansfer the money to him knowing that I have a copy of the purchase agreement in hand. He will then overnight the title of the vehicle to me. I can then send it to the border crossing of choice...Queenston/Lewiston.

The next question. Do I need to ensure it from the date I receive the MSO or just when I pick it up? Xan says their insured however State Farm says insure it from the date you own it. Which would mean when I receive the MSO, wouldn't it???

I've read from Van Bortel buyers here that you sign the purchase agreement which he sends in advance to you. The way he deals with you is with a lot of trust that you will keep your word with him. In turn, he makes your buying experience worthwhile by doing the paperwork and faxing to US Customs so that when you come to pick up the car, you can drive back to Canada on the same day. He sends you on your way by 11:30am so that you have enough time to make it for the US Customs inspection well before the 4pm deadline.

[J233]

Yup, check the RIV list. Sienna's manufactured after Sept 2007 are INADMISSABLE - which is kind of odd since the RIV / TC websites seem to suggest that for cars without the immobilizer, you can just add an aftermarket but this clearly says INADMISSABLE not ADMISSIBLE WITH MODIFICATION.

Correct. And for GM vans/suvs just a short line that none of pre Sept 01 2008 models are admissable. So I called GM and asked for explanation but they didn't comment. I asked then about post Sept 01 2008 admissiblity, as per RIV's note (check with the OEM) but they told me to call RIV. So I called RIV and asked about post Sept 01 2008 SUV and was told that it is not admissable.

I am not emotional about this mess anymore....there is no logic in this rather than a serious attempt to prevent importation and maintain high prices in Canada. I just think that somebody, maybe a good lawyer :) should take a good look at this Nov 01 list and that massive inadmissiblity nonsens under Toyota, Honda and GM products.....

[vim]

Correct. And for GM vans/suvs just a short line that none of pre Sept 01 2008 models are admissable. So I called GM and asked for explanation but they didn't comment. I asked then about post Sept 01 2008 admissiblity, as per RIV's note (check with the OEM) but they told me to call RIV. So I called RIV and asked about post Sept 01 2008 SUV and was told that it is not admissable.

I am not emotional about this mess anymore....there is no logic in this rather than a serious attempt to prevent importation and maintain high prices in Canada. I just think that somebody, maybe a good lawyer :) should take a good look at this Nov 01 list and that massive inadmissiblity nonsens under Toyota, Honda and GM products.....

OK, now I see updated RIV list. That is just a nonsense. OK, I agree that Sienna CE would not be admissable, as it does not have imobilizer, but LE, common, that is just funny.
Actually around end of September before my first unsuccessfull attempt to import Sienna I got e-mail from RIV telling me that "Sienna 2008 appears to be addmissible".
O well, there is no way I'll buy my new van for canadian price. No way. I have time to wait and other brands (Hyunday) to consider.

[drwzer]

Has anybody been forced to registered a car in US before bringing it back to Canada?

[110phil]

NEWS FLASH

My local dealer just contacted me about the latest news that has come thru the wire at Honda/Acura ... He has stated that he is able to get me $9000.00 Cash back.

Interesting! On what vehicle?

[Hannicho]

It's on terra firma and done. Very painless and a lot of worries over nothing. But it does take some research and reading and a lot of PATIENCE.

I had to take a lot of the posts here with a grain of salt since everyone's experience and process is slightly different. I pm'd a lot of people who specifically bought the Tribeca.

I got the 08, 7 seat, navi, dvd, tow package, puddle lit, heated seat, moonroof, leather interior diamond metallic grey tribeca - a couple of options shy of fully loaded.

A base Tribeca might go between the $28,000 to $30,000. But don't sell yourself short. Get some of the upgrades.

My Total Savings: roughly $15,000.

You can PM me if you have any questions.

[jwstewart]

NEWS FLASH

My local dealer just contacted me about the latest news that has come thru the wire at Honda/Acura
.
He has stated that he is able to get me $9000.00 Cash back. The is for only a short time until inventory levels come down if we pay cash? The other offer that they have is 0.9% finance but you do not get the cash back. Just wanted to let everyone know...


yes me too - make, model, year, trim, etc ???

[Tuppin]

OK,

It seems that The car manufacturers are going to plug the import hole by making their cars inadmissable for import. They must be making suble changes to keep them off the import list and that is why we are seeing fewer 2008's on the list. It also explains the "Not admissable if made after Sept 07."

I mean take Toyota Matrix and Corolla....They are made in Canada but now they are inadmissable?!?!

Buggers!!:mad:

[Shear1]

just got back from the queenston bridge with my 2008 Saturn (pre Sep 1, 2007 build date) funny thing was there were at leat 10 people filling out their form 1 in the customs office. The US customs office had 3 people working flat out tring to serve everyone. Also two transports full of cars going north into Canada at the bridge. One last thing. The bridge toll was CD$3.50 or US$3.00. yes I typed that correctly. Unbelivable!

[J233]

just got back from the queenston bridge with my 2008 Saturn (pre Sep 1, 2007 build date) funny thing was there were at leat 10 people filling out their form 1 in the customs office. The US customs office had 3 people working flat out tring to serve everyone. Also two transports full of cars going north into Canada at the bridge. One last thing. The bridge toll was CD$3.50 or US$3.00. yes I typed that correctly. Unbelivable!

Congrats on your success ! I am a bit jealous (just kidding) as I found out today that post Sept 01 2008 Outlooks are not admissible (don’t know why – it has the very same immobilizer as 2007 models)
BTW, did you get the recall letter from the dealer or GM (Vintage dept) ?

[leta01]

Few pple asked this question and I got some PMs on this.

In my case I took a bank draft with me (make sure you declare it at the border). This is since Lewinston border crossing only requires a fax 72h in advance, so a dealer can fax the title without actually parting with this, and he can do it with a deposit only.

For those crossings that require an original, you may need to pay in advance or do a trip twice. Someone else who crossed at thousand islands (I think there they need original??) should elaborate

Sorry I have to ask a stupid question: If you put down a deposit for a car, the title is not on your name until it is fully paid. If you fax the title with the dealer is still the owner to Lewiston border, would they give you hassle when you show up with a different title for your car ?

Thanks

[Bullseye]

Congrats on your success ! I am a bit jealous (just kidding) as I found out today that post Sept 01 2008 Outlooks are not admissible (don’t know why – it has the very same immobilizer as 2007 models)
BTW, did you get the recall letter from the dealer or GM (Vintage dept) ?

My 08 Outback is post-Sept 1 and went through the import process fine. All plated and done.

[newlegacyowner]

That makes sense, although somewhere in these thousands of posts spreading through 500+ pages, I got the impression that, some ports requires you to bring the original title in person to their office 72 hours prior to export day. That is awfully inconvenient as I live more than 2 hours away from the port.

That is exactly the case for the Lacolle border in Quebec, as well as the Rock Island border crossing.

[Shaun091382]

Hello all....I would just like the opinion of those who have crossed at the Lewiston crossing. I plan on importing my vehicle this coming business week and was just wondering if someone can comment on the steps and if any other pointers are needed.

(Already faxed down for 72hrs and received confirmation of receipt from U.S. customs office)

When I arrive at the U.S. export office I will have in hand my

- Certificate of Title
- Lien Release Letter
- Bill of Sale
- Recall Letter

I just need to show the U.S. side my CoT and Lien Release letter. Then once I move on to the Canadian side I then produce the CoT that has been stamped and provide the Bill of sale, fill out form 1 and pay for the GST. I then plan on faxing the recall letter and paying the RIV online once I get home.

Just wondering if I'm missing something in there.....Also just wondering what people think is a good time to arrive at the export office...pretty hit and miss? I realize there is a rush going on now.

Anyways Thanks for any opinions and suggestions it is appreciated!

Thanks,

[bluemule999]

First time poster....

Email I sent to Fed Gov't:

ENOUGH! ENOUGH! ENOUGH!

Stop handcuffing the Canadian population. The government works for the people, and not big business. Why do we have to pay high prices, and high taxes? We live in a free and democratic country where the free-market system should work without manipulation. The govenrment and big business is acting against the consumer and I WILL HOLD IT AGAINST THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY DURING THE NEXT ELECTION!!!!

Eliminate the silly and bureaucratic rules at Transport Canada and RIV. Clearly send a message to the auto manufacturers to freely allow people to purchase where they want without roadblocks.

I AM FED UP WITH BEING FLEECED BY BOTH BIG BUSINESS AND MY OWN GOVERNMENT....GAS PRICES, CAR PRICES, EXCESSIVE TAXES THAT LEAD TO HUGE GOVERNMENT EXCESSES AND REDUCED SERVICES....AND DO NOT BRING UP THE 1% DROP IN GST AS THAT IS A DROP IN THE ATLANTIC OCEAN!!

Get off your butt and do what you were elected to do and honor the oath you took!!

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Rise up and be heard!!!!!!!!!!

[newlegacyowner]

confused?!?

Guys, I called few of the Canadian Tire regarding to the RIV inspection and they told me the only time they will do it is Monday to Friday 8:00am to 5:00pm...

Is it true? Did they misunderstood me or this is the rule?

Any Canadian Tire will perform the Form 2 inspection in Montreal during the weekend or after 6:00pm weekday?

Thanks!

Consider yourself lucky. The Canadian Tire in the West Island (kirkland) will only do the inspections between 2pm and 4pm weekdays. The Canadian Tire near sources will do it between 10am and 2pm, so i went there today.

[dheath]

This thread is going to get 1 MILLION views soon!
Thanks again Monsieurmaggot
:idea:

[bkushner]

I've had some dealings with Kirkland Infiniti. I too am looking for a Super clean 2006-2007 G35, or an new FX35.

Did they mention to you the Documentation fee for exporting to Canada for $1200? Total cash grab IMHO

I got the same song and dance about "Canadians don't go there for warranty or maintenance work, so overall profit is less" Meh, whatever.

I would deal with Beaverton Infiniti in Oregon. They seem much more receptive to Canadian Business.

I have been looking at Infiniti, a couple midwest ones told me Infiniti won't let them sell new to canada. The best bet might be california.

[newlegacyowner]

If only it was as smooth as all the rest. Crossing borders? ?No problem. Canadian Customs , no problem

Quebec SAAQ, big problem. (SAAQ is where you register the car in Quebec)

I completed my Canadian tire inspection today at 10:45, and drove over to the local SAAQ and had ALL the papers filled out and ready. However, apparently, the SAAQ needs to "validate" your 2008 car by faxing papers to Quebec City and then you have to wait 2-3 hours before they "approve".

I mentioned to the woman that this wasn't documented anywhere and I don't think there is such a policy, but that was futile. I wasn't able to do anything but wait. After a few hours they phoned back to say that they forgot to fax 1 paper to them, could I come back and provide a copy and then they could send that for "authorization". So I went and then had to wait a few more hours, and then the call came that it was "approved".

Got all the paperwork done, but I wasn't prepared for the fact that the SAAQ takes your title away from you. Yup, its gone to be stored in some file cabinet somewhere, without a clear picture that I can ever get it back.

So whereas the entire car purchase took 12 hours (driving from Montreal to Xan and crossing the border etc etc etc), today took 8 hours all locally. Very frustrating.

[Mike_C]

Finally drove home my new 08 Tribeca today from Van Bortel (my earlier deal with another dealership didn't competed due to some timing issue) Karl was busy with Canadian today, beside me, there are two more canadian customers picking up car from him, one was coming all the way from Ottawa.

I couldn't get to RIV in time today as my driver side mirrow was not completely flat and I need them to replace one on the spot. The border crossing was very smooth for me, spent about 15 mins on the US and about 10 on the Canadian side. Total saving with tax should be about 15,000...

[P5Pimpin]

all 2008's

For me the MDX Elite, Cargo Cover, Body Side Moulding & Sport Running Board

MDX upto 9,000 off
TL-S is up to 4,500 off

Right now the price gap for me is only 7,000.00. I'll be purchasing here.
Just to get the warranty I can deal with that.



yes me too - make, model, year, trim, etc ???

[flatman]

all 2008's


Right now the price gap for me is only 7,000.00. I'll be purchasing here.
Just to get the warranty I can deal with that.

And that is exactly why car prices are as high as they are in Canada.

[srtor]

It's on terra firma and done. Very painless and a lot of worries over nothing. But it does take some research and reading and a lot of PATIENCE.

I had to take a lot of the posts here with a grain of salt since everyone's experience and process is slightly different. I pm'd a lot of people who specifically bought the Tribeca.

I got the 08, 7 seat, navi, dvd, tow package, puddle lit, heated seat, moonroof, leather interior diamond metallic grey tribeca - a couple of options shy of fully loaded.

A base Tribeca might go between the $28,000 to $30,000. But don't sell yourself short. Get some of the upgrades.

My Total Savings: roughly $15,000.

You can PM me if you have any questions.

Congrats!! Well done!! I will pm you if I need help (just planning, not yet sure). Thank you

[ymlccc]

Consider yourself lucky. The Canadian Tire in the West Island (kirkland) will only do the inspections between 2pm and 4pm weekdays. The Canadian Tire near sources will do it between 10am and 2pm, so i went there today.

seriously?? That's bad for montreal importers... :(

I went to the newly opened Canadian Tire near Dix 30, the guy told me they cannot perform the federal inspection for now since the "stamp" is still on the way to their garage... but if they receive it, they can do it as long as the garage is operated.

I am not sure if I can wait until they receive it or I might just show up at the another CT early Monday morning...

[georgetoy]

However, apparently, the SAAQ needs to "validate" your 2008 car by faxing papers to Quebec City and then you have to wait 2-3 hours before they "approve".


I registered a new car at the SAAQ in St Jean on Oct 29 without any approval steps that you mention. Which office did you go to? Unless it's a new policy, the staff at your SAAQ probably doesn't know the proper steps.

The SAAQ will keep your certificate.

[dotcalamitie]

I was talking to a guy today and he said that he would rather pay the extra $12,000 to get a Tribeca in Canada because of the warranty. How weak many Canadians are... There was a time - in fact it will probably come back again - when one year warranty was standard.

[Raikkonen]

sounds like a dealer....extolling the virtues of a warranty

on a quality vehicle in the hands of a mature owner who services the car properly, how much warranty work do you think you will actuallly claim (will it ever add up to $8,000 or $18,000??)

moreover, honda is notorious for denying warranty claims when they feel they can (check out numerous forums for your proof)

wolves scaring the sheep :mad:

[rafku]

Sorry I have to ask a stupid question: If you put down a deposit for a car, the title is not on your name until it is fully paid. If you fax the title with the dealer is still the owner to Lewiston border, would they give you hassle when you show up with a different title for your car ?

Thanks

For a new car the title is not the real title but the Manufacturer Statement of Origin. Go and read Exporting Vehicles on Us Customs and Border Protection web site: look for section on untitled vehicles. In practice the dealer faxes the title without signing it over to you.


By the way, when I was waiting for my Canadian Importation process and t he border, the officer serving me was talking to an inquirer on the phone about teh process and told him they dont really care if the vehicle is properly exported from US or not. Except of course, if you ever drive back in the US you could have that vehicle impounded. But if you are not planning to you could just drive by the US customs and import it into canada. Even though, many years ago, I've done it myself, unknowingly (and actually moved back to states with the same vehicle 3y later with no problems), I would not recommend it. :)

[MightyMike]

OK, I'm kind of freaking out here--I made a deal yesterday with a dealership in Washington State for a 2008 Sienna, having checked the RIV list a few days ago to make sure I was good to go. I wired them the money this morning--and now I find out that the Sienna is inadmissible! If the car was manufactured after Sept 1, it seems like I'll be out of luck. Does anyone know anything else about this?

[sheriffabc]

+1

Xan, relax Dude. Please do not underestimate the RFD's intelligence. There are always pros and cons we are facing and honestly, do we care how or where you get the cars from and how much your cost are? WE want a deal, so give us a fair deal and we'll find out, good or bad.

Look at Zach(BTW where is Zach recently ), try to answer some questions here and help out first. You will get business.

Guys

first we had to deal with the Canadian dealers who tried to fleece us with their prices.

now we are dealing with US dealers near the border - who think we have no alternative

Solution - try dealers a bit south. I did - and I saved another $1000-$1200 from a dealer in MD - and excellent service too. Interested? try calling Gus at 1-888-670-4800 both he and his manager took the trouble to understand what was required - and they delivered. Best price - great service - sounds like an advertisement - heck why not, when people know the clout of RFD - they will deliver - or we move our business and $ elsewhere.

GL - btw if you see a harvest gold legacy with Fitzmall.com licence plates in Toronto - honk - lots of $$$$ saved!!!

Thanks to all in this thread who contributed their knowledge and experience. Couldn't have done it without you!!!

[Tender]

I was talking to a guy today and he said that he would rather pay the extra $12,000 to get a Tribeca in Canada because of the warranty. How weak many Canadians are... There was a time - in fact it will probably come back again - when one year warranty was standard.

$12,000 just for the warranty? I'll probably start a business by selling the warranties here...

By the way, just heard over the 680 news that Ford is cutting the prices here. Can't remember the details, but something like $4,000 savings on the Focus and $5,000 savings on Fushion.

[toolman]

OK, I'm kind of freaking out here--I made a deal yesterday with a dealership in Washington State for a 2008 Sienna, having checked the RIV list a few days ago to make sure I was good to go. I wired them the money this morning--and now I find out that the Sienna is inadmissible! If the car was manufactured after Sept 1, it seems like I'll be out of luck. Does anyone know anything else about this?

I picked up my 2008 Sienna XLE yesterday, stayed overnight in southern MI and brought it across the Detroit / Windsor border today without any problems. It was quite a wait on the US site to get the title stamped for export. Import at Canada Customs was quick and efficient. On my way home I stopped at the RIF office. It was very busy there but I got Form 2 in about 30 minutes. Nobody mentioned anything about immobilizers. Went to CT got the inspection done by 5PM. By then the MTO offices where closing. If I would not have had to wait that long at the US side of the border and got delayed with construction in Windsor I could have completed the process today. I will get my plates tomorrow or Monday.

[GoogleFish]

U.S. deals still a waiting game

Mark Richardson

Nov 02, 2007

After publishing last weekend's story about buying cars in the U.S., we received a dozen or so letters from readers telling us that we were obviously in league with the auto manufacturers and/or dealers.

We get such accusatory letters just about every week, whatever we publish, but in this case the letter writers scolded journalist John LeBlanc and myself for making the process of buying a car in the United States sound harder than it really is.

We were discouraging the public from crossing the border for bargains by mentioning the pitfalls of cross-border shopping when we should have been leaning on the manufacturers or dealers to drop their Canadian prices on par with U.S. prices, we were told.

The fact is, we don't need to lean on anyone. Manufacturers and dealers are thick-skinned, but the real way to make change is to hit them on the bottom line – and that's what's happening now. Potential customers are waiting for prices to drop before committing to buying a new vehicle, and the figures will soon show it.

"People are coming in and saying, `Have you dropped the prices yet?'" one Chrysler dealer told me. "When we tell them that we haven't, they say, `Okay, we'll come back next week.'"

August was a record month for auto sales, before the loonie hit the magic parity with the greenback. September figures were to come out just after this column was written and were expected to slip though not too dramatically. October sales are expected to be a disastrous plummet.

However, Canadian manufacturers will never drop their MSRP prices in a meaningful way. To do so would ransack the value of vehicles coming off their leases with guaranteed residual prices not much more than adjusted new prices. And most important, if and when the loonie's value slips against the greenback, it will not be easy to bump Canadian prices back up to current levels.

They can, however, adjust prices by offering no end of rebates, financing incentives, easy payments and cash-back offers against the MSRPs that will bring the final price more in line with American stickers.

This has already begun. Chrysler offered massive incentives this week, reacting to the empty showrooms, albeit at a cost to its own workforce. BMW and Mercedes are offering rebates, Audi is stepping up the standard items available, and Toyota has been rumoured for a week now to be about to do something significant with its price structure. Everyone else will soon follow.

The ads in today's section will tell more of the story, but I don't get to see the ads before publication, so they're as much news to me as you.

The beauty of this is that incentive plans are completely flexible. They change from week to week to reflect market conditions and can be adjusted up or down to keep pace with competition.

The other advantage is that there is still a penalty for those who want to buy a new car in the States because financing plans there are not valid for Canadians, not to mention the additional paperwork that, frankly, many buyers are hesitant to undertake.

As many as four out of five Canadian auto buyers prefer to finance their vehicles, and they're the people who will take advantage of the various incentive plans.

Right now, manufacturers are using a stick and carrot approach: many will not allow their U.S. franchises to sell to Canadians, while they 're trying to sweeten the pot for deals available up here without selling the farm.

This week, I called up some U.S. dealerships to find out who could still sell me a car. The situation is changing almost daily, so I suggest you make your own calls.

However, a salesperson at a Ford dealership in Niagara Falls told me that he hasn't closed many sales to Canadians. Of every three serious buyers who enter his store, he said, he'll close the deal to one of them. But among Canadians, he'll only close the deal to one in 10.

"I can't finance you!" he said. Those prospective buyers go away, crunch the numbers and find the savings just aren't always that great on affordable cars.

There are plenty of websites out there that offer advice, including carburner.com and redflagdeals.com as well as our story from last year that's just as relevant today as ever, and available to read at wheels.ca.

Another Star Article

[nightman]

I'm looking for Toyota camry. I call a lot of toyota dealer in New York city. They all told me that they sold out 2007 toyota camry. But they have 2008 Camry.

I'm just wondering if anyone has successfully imported it from U.S Already? If you did, please also tell me which dealer, and Price.

Thank you in Advance.

[CalgaryJeremyK]

I have been following this thread since the beginning and have kept up to date. This is my first post here (although I've posted a few angry messages on Globeauto.com). I would appreciate any help the collective wisdom of this list can provide (note, I have searched the thread extensively and as previously mentioned, I have read every post).

1. We are looking at purchasing a 2008 Tribeca in Montana (we live in Calgary). We are not interested in driving any further than we need to (i.e. Washington etc.) I did not see any posts indicating they purchased a Tribeca in Montana - If anyone here has, can you please provide any advise you think is worth passing on?

2. Kalispell and Great Falls seem to be the closest drives from Calgary. Google Maps is telling me that Great Falls is further in distance than Kallispell but shorter in time (5 hours 16 mins versus 5 hours 24 mins). (Is that right? Is it because of the tour through Glacier Park?) As we want to do some additional shopping, we would prefer to go to Great Falls, however there appears to be exactly ONE Subaru dealer in each location (Kalispell: Jim Dowen Nissan, Mazda & Subaru Great Falls: Bennett Motors). Any feedback on either dealership?

3. Any pricing experience would be appreciated. We are thinking we will go with the 7 passenger LTD BUT might opt for the Nav and DVD Package if we can keep the price of the vehicle below MSRP and get a discount on the option package ($4200 is STEEP).

4. A kind soul had previously provided a link to the export information site for the Coutts crossing: That site says they accept faxes, but I know many folks here have indicated their borders are no longer accepting faxes. Any first had experience with Coutts recently?

Any other tips would be appreciated!

As an aside, we were also looking at an MDX and after seeing the updates on this form indicating that Honda/Acura was offering cash discounts, I called my sales guy @ Silverhill Acura and he indicated that they are offering $7,000 on base MDX and $8,000 on Tech Package. I figure if you got them to waive the Freight of $1,855, take your 7K cash back and then ask for another $1500 to split the profit with them, you're probably looking at around $44K which is only about $4k above the US price which isn't unbearable since you get warranty, roadside assistance, a vehicle in KMs etc. I don't think they will go to parity as the Canadian dollar appreciation to above par might be a temporary aberation. That being said, I hope they keep monitoring the situation AND keep the cash back there even if the rate pulls back. We shouldn't be paying at a 1.3 rate since the dollar hasn't been there since 2004. Regardless, I think we've decided to save the $10,000 and get the Tribeca over the MDX as the Tribeca seems to have all of the same features (albeit with less power and rear legroom) and $10,000 is nothing to sneeze at.

Thanks for all of the great information on this thread!!!

[eastsidesubaru]

Guys

first we had to deal with the Canadian dealers who tried to fleece us with their prices.

now we are dealing with US dealers near the border - who think we have no alternative



LOL.. My favorite part is the border dealerships who have no idea what they are doing... I get to hear all these horror stories. :) Luckily I already made most of my mistakes the hard way...:cheesygri

CalgaryJeremyK - the Montana dealerships charge more. That's why. They have to, to survive - a typical Subaru dealer there just does not have the volume we get over here.


As to the guy who asked "Where is Zach"... well... I deal with local customers as well plus I already have 11 canadian deals in process for November... so I only hit up RFD in my free time, which is lacking lately, but hey, this can't last forever... I might as well get as many up the border as I can while it lasts, eh?

[eastsidesubaru]

I've read from Van Bortel buyers here that you sign the purchase agreement which he sends in advance to you. The way he deals with you is with a lot of trust that you will keep your word with him. In turn, he makes your buying experience worthwhile by doing the paperwork and faxing to US Customs so that when you come to pick up the car, you can drive back to Canada on the same day. He sends you on your way by 11:30am so that you have enough time to make it for the US Customs inspection well before the 4pm deadline.

In Washington there's another nice little trick... I can't give up all my secrets now can I though? :cheesygri

[scrolllock]

OK, now I see updated RIV list. That is just a nonsense. OK, I agree that Sienna CE would not be admissable, as it does not have imobilizer, but LE, common, that is just funny.
Actually around end of September before my first unsuccessfull attempt to import Sienna I got e-mail from RIV telling me that "Sienna 2008 appears to be addmissible".
O well, there is no way I'll buy my new van for canadian price. No way. I have time to wait and other brands (Hyunday) to consider.

I thought the immobilizer rule only applied to passenger cars of a certain weight?

[scrolllock]

If only it was as smooth as all the rest. Crossing borders? ?No problem. Canadian Customs , no problem

Quebec SAAQ, big problem. (SAAQ is where you register the car in Quebec)

I completed my Canadian tire inspection today at 10:45, and drove over to the local SAAQ and had ALL the papers filled out and ready. However, apparently, the SAAQ needs to "validate" your 2008 car by faxing papers to Quebec City and then you have to wait 2-3 hours before they "approve".

I mentioned to the woman that this wasn't documented anywhere and I don't think there is such a policy, but that was futile. I wasn't able to do anything but wait. After a few hours they phoned back to say that they forgot to fax 1 paper to them, could I come back and provide a copy and then they could send that for "authorization". So I went and then had to wait a few more hours, and then the call came that it was "approved".

Got all the paperwork done, but I wasn't prepared for the fact that the SAAQ takes your title away from you. Yup, its gone to be stored in some file cabinet somewhere, without a clear picture that I can ever get it back.

So whereas the entire car purchase took 12 hours (driving from Montreal to Xan and crossing the border etc etc etc), today took 8 hours all locally. Very frustrating.


Thanks for the post. It really looks like our bumbling government bureaucrats are not prepared to handle the tremendous amount of paper work coming at them! no wonder our employment rate is the lowest in 50 years.. The govenment is busy hiring all sorts of people to bog down a simple process, that existing departments can't handle now!

Each imported car probably cost the Canadian Tax payer $5000.00 in Government salaries. What a bunch of bunglers... the whole process sucks!...
and Transport Canada is calling the shots on all this! Sad...sad....Sad

[Dreyfus]

I would not blame the bureaucrats they follow orders from their political masters. The industry is hurting and is now playing the "maitre chez nous" card. The industry made its political contributions and fully expects to be protected by the Quebec Govt.. The Quebec Govt. is responding by implementing another barrier to trade. What about "les citoyens" ? Mario, Jean and Pauline Marois are quite happy to let them eat Kia or any low budget auto. The field of "free trade" is littered with the bodies of non tariff barriers. Plus ca change plus ca meme chose.
Carry on comparison shopping don't let the forces of evil triumph. Its your money protect it.

[Snocow]

Have a look at the number of USA Dealer ads in the Toronto Star Wheels section. Things are heating up!

[Dreyfus]

The gloves are off, it will now be a bare knuckle fight to the finish. There are two possible outcomes now 1) Price capitulation or 2) Govt. of Canada and Provinces implement a raft of non tariff barriers.
Keep your members of federal and provincial parliaments informed of your views.

[newlegacyowner]

I registered a new car at the SAAQ in St Jean on Oct 29 without any approval steps that you mention. Which office did you go to? Unless it's a new policy, the staff at your SAAQ probably doesn't know the proper steps.

The SAAQ will keep your certificate.

The SAAQ office on St-Johns in the West Island, sharing space with the CAA office north of the 40.

[reddy54]

I thought the immobilizer rule only applied to passenger cars of a certain weight?

When I read the new RIV comments they acknowledge that one can have a third party install an acceptable immobilizer system. My questiion is whether this will make an inadmissible Sienna admissible?

[tico 1948]

all 2008's

For me the MDX Elite, Cargo Cover, Body Side Moulding & Sport Running Board

MDX upto 9,000 off
TL-S is up to 4,500 off

Right now the price gap for me is only 7,000.00. I'll be purchasing here.
Just to get the warranty I can deal with that.

Geez is wish I had your money. I don't mean to be offensive but why are you posting on this thread? Why don't you start another thread for those who like to get reamed?

[Monsieurmaggot]

The common sense is: when you buy cars in Canada for higher price, the fed/provincial pocket more tax money. So they would never say a word about the auto industry ripoff.

That's a HUGE misconception.

Most people on RFDs are getting much more vehicle in the US for the money they would be paying here.

I had a "budget" to buy a car.

In Canada I could have purchased a base Yaris for the same money I spent on a loaded Outback (okay perhaps a small exaggeration but you get my point!). The government got the same tax dollars from me.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I've heard that Monsiuermaggot will donate a free Subaru 3.0R LL Bean for the 1-millionth post. :lol:

Actually Van Bortel, Northtown, Manchester, Carter, West Herr and Dexter are working on that exact prize.

The 1,000,000 reader will be offered the opportunity to buy a Subaru in the US for thousands of dollars less than in Canada.

His/her choice of dealer will also assist them with the importation process.

[Monsieurmaggot]

maybe he needs to get another car because 1 loonie = 1.07 US poor dollar right now. So on a car of 30000 US = 28000 Canadian .... alot cheaper now

That's so true.

Back then, I bought my car with a .90 US dollar (average).

I also didn't have the luxury of threads like this.

Sadly, that's the price you pay to be a pioneer.

I don't regret buying my car last March one bit. I got EXACTLY what I wanted and still drive it in disbelief.

I learned a lot during the process, I'm sure I referred hundreds of successful converts, (Still haven't received a penny in referrals!) I even managed to make in on national television.

I'm approaching 7700 trouble-free miles. I am a stickler for quality and finish and admittedly have yet to find any flaws in my Subaru.

If I didn't love my Subie, I would surely do it again. Too bad they are no longer available in Green.

[scouzi]

If only it was as smooth as all the rest. Crossing borders? ?No problem. Canadian Customs , no problem

Quebec SAAQ, big problem. (SAAQ is where you register the car in Quebec)

I completed my Canadian tire inspection today at 10:45, and drove over to the local SAAQ and had ALL the papers filled out and ready. However, apparently, the SAAQ needs to "validate" your 2008 car by faxing papers to Quebec City and then you have to wait 2-3 hours before they "approve".

I mentioned to the woman that this wasn't documented anywhere and I don't think there is such a policy, but that was futile. I wasn't able to do anything but wait. After a few hours they phoned back to say that they forgot to fax 1 paper to them, could I come back and provide a copy and then they could send that for "authorization". So I went and then had to wait a few more hours, and then the call came that it was "approved".

Got all the paperwork done, but I wasn't prepared for the fact that the SAAQ takes your title away from you. Yup, its gone to be stored in some file cabinet somewhere, without a clear picture that I can ever get it back.

So whereas the entire car purchase took 12 hours (driving from Montreal to Xan and crossing the border etc etc etc), today took 8 hours all locally. Very frustrating.


The same had happened to me at the SAAQ in Laval. In my case, it wasn't such a big deal since I had forgotten my cheques to pay the QST so I had to go back home to get them. When I got back it was accepted. I think they check the VIN in some database somewhere. The insurance copmany did the same thing. It took them 2 days to approve.

But you are right that this is not documented anywhere.

There's a reason why bureaucracy is a french word!

[Monsieurmaggot]

I might as well get as many up the border as I can while it lasts, eh?

Is it true?

Zach said EH?

[scouzi]

I was talking to a guy today and he said that he would rather pay the extra $12,000 to get a Tribeca in Canada because of the warranty. How weak many Canadians are... There was a time - in fact it will probably come back again - when one year warranty was standard.

Did you tell him that the US Tribeca HAS a warranty? He gets a refund for warranty work.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Have a look at the number of USA Dealer ads in the Toronto Star Wheels section. Things are heating up!

It's a matter of time before the Canadian manufacturers complain to the paper and threaten to pull their advertising bucks.

Wait, that would be a good thing.

Only US advertisers would be included in the paper so EVERYONE will buy in the US.

Forget I said anything...

Based on the October Canadian sales results, it never ceases to amaze me the number of sheep that still insist on buying in Canada. I'm not sure those numbers are accurate anyway. Some consumers actually believe they're supporting the local economy!

I noticed that Chrysler is saying they've dropped prices to reflect the strong Canadian dollar. Sadly they're comparing US MSRP with Canadian MSRP. They also neglected to include the 4% price differential.

I guess it's how you present the numbers.

If I have time, I will do my own comparison on the "300" that was featured in the news.

[Bullseye]

I forgot to post this when I plated my car a few days ago, but just wanted to reiterate that you DO NOT need the certify a new car when you import it. Some people here had problems with the ministry, but I checked and double checked with my local one, even getting the manager to verify it.

Do not put up with any crap from any MTO staff who tell you otherwise. The key is the MCO, which tells them that the car has never been titled before.

[daftfunk]

Ford joins incentive parade with `allowance,' GST cut:

Ford is offering consumers big auto incentives worth several thousand dollars in response to a consumer uproar over much lower prices on the same vehicles in the U.S.
.........

At Ford, the incentives will drop the price of a 2007 Focus ZX5 by $3,250 to $15,749; a 2007 Ford Fusion by $5,570 to $18,749 and a F-250 super duty pickup truck by $4,500 to $24,499. The prices do not include freight or taxes.

http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/273204

[J233]

I thought the immobilizer rule only applied to passenger cars of a certain weight?

No, it applies to passenger cars, MPVs, trucks and 3 wheeled vehicles manufactured after Sept 01, 2007 with GVWR less than 10,000 lbs.

[scrolllock]

No, it applies to passenger cars, MPVs, trucks and 3 wheeled vehicles manufactured after Sept 01, 2007 with GVWR less than 10,000 lbs.

I guess I should have read back thru the thread.. someone I think posted the new standard or a short write up on it.

[jmlleung]

OK, now I see updated RIV list. That is just a nonsense. OK, I agree that Sienna CE would not be admissable, as it does not have imobilizer, but LE, common, that is just funny.
Actually around end of September before my first unsuccessfull attempt to import Sienna I got e-mail from RIV telling me that "Sienna 2008 appears to be addmissible".
O well, there is no way I'll buy my new van for canadian price. No way. I have time to wait and other brands (Hyunday) to consider.

Can someone confirm? My friend is considering buying a 2008 Sienna with the help of an American friend. He told me that he heard stories that people has successfully importing 2008 Sienna into Canada. Thanks.

[hondafanNOT]

i bought my rdx two months ago. honda is treating us badly.
i paid 590 us delivery fee for the vehicle. canadians pay 1750.
so if you bought an rdx made in ontario, your delivery fee is 1200 dollars higher.

not giving us the warranty? what a load of crap.
Infinnitiy, Toyota, Lexus, BMW, Mercedes, Porsche, Subaru, all honour their warranty. So Dont buy a honda as long as they treat canadians like this. the rdx is a 35.5 thousand dollar car all costs in vs. 45 thousand in canada. gst and pst after that.

buy toyoto, lexus, infinitti, bmw, mercedes. if honda wants to be a premium car company, they should act like it.

[jmlleung]

I forgot to post this when I plated my car a few days ago, but just wanted to reiterate that you DO NOT need the certify a new car when you import it. Some people here had problems with the ministry, but I checked and double checked with my local one, even getting the manager to verify it.

Do not put up with any crap from any MTO staff who tell you otherwise. The key is the MCO, which tells them that the car has never been titled before.

Is that true? I went to the "How to import cars to Canada" seminar by CBSA and Transport Canada, they said that even new cars are considered "used" when the vehicle is imported from US to Canada.

[trini1313]

My Dad just imported a 1 year old Honda Pilot with 500 miles on it from NYC, NY...saved about 20k!

[jnmontario]

So here's an email I sent to... 'Evelyn' shall we call her? at a toyota dealership near Washington DC where I'd lined up a purchase of a Prius. All it would have cost me was $190 for a flight to DC and they would have picked me up and brought me to the dealership.

Hi Evelyn,

Friday morning the Registry for Imported Vehicles (riv.ca) in Canada posted that Toyota will not be allowing most of its 2008 passenger cars sold in the US to be brought into Canada. Frustratingly this includes the Prius. You may want to voice your concern to Toyota America (I have). I know of LOTS of people that want to buy vehicles in the US because the Canadian dealerships are currently gouging us (the EXACT same vehicle as you were quoting me for $22,979 here in Canada costs $37,280 and our dollar is worth more than yours right now!!!). The only alteration that would need to be done to a 2008 Prius bought in the US would be to include daytime running lights (~$200) and an electronic engine immobilizer (which to my knowledge is already in/on the Prius).

Perhaps as a dealership your voice is worth more than mine, but I'm on a forum up here (RFD (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5870496#post5870496)) that has thousands of people who want to buy vehicles in the US (of all makes), but in addition to not allowing the vehicles to be imported into Canada, the American manufacturers (GM, Ford, Honda, Toyota etc...) are not allowing their dealerships to sell to Canadians, robbing you guys of millions of dollars. The only maker allowing their vehicles to be sold to Canadians is Subaru and they're doing BRISK business right now. Unfortunately, Toyota etc.. are missing the boat on this one.

Thanks for being patient. I hope your voice will help turn the tide as I would have loved to have bought a Prius from you. I don't suppose you have 2007's left as the 2008's are now banned?

Sincerely,
James

[ziploc]

I just inquired for a new Hyundai Entourage and the US Dealership, told me that they aren't allowed to sell new to Canadians....:mad:

I might look a little further down south......but those who purchased a new Hyundai not long ago can You pm me the info....
(btw I'm RFD member before this thread was even started and I'm not a carmaker spy :twisted: )

I'm from Montreal, then dealers between Ohio and Atlantic ocean might be good...

[jac_3232]

At Ford, the incentives will drop the price of a 2007 Focus ZX5 by $3,250 to $15,749; a 2007 Ford Fusion by $5,570 to $18,749 and a F-250 super duty pickup truck by $4,500 to $24,499. The prices do not include freight or taxes.


So this delivery allowance is only for a couple of 2007 Ford vehicles. There website doesn't mention the increased delivery allowance. If that's the case, Thanks for nothing Ford.:evil:

[Sentinels]

Looks like Lexus Canada has chopped its price at least for the 2008 GS350...it now has a base price of 61K instead of 65K from 2007...I guess that's a start haha...but still much cheaper in the States of course.

[Lanceman1]

That's a HUGE misconception.

Most people on RFDs are getting much more vehicle in the US for the money they would be paying here.

I had a "budget" to buy a car.

In Canada I could have purchased a base Yaris for the same money I spent on a loaded Outback (okay perhaps a small exaggeration but you get my point!). The government got the same tax dollars from me.

I concur 200%. !! I was planning the purchase of a Buick Allure or similar car. I recalled a few years back when Americans were purchasing cars in Canada and started my research (discovered this site) and recently ordered a Lincoln MKZ at the same price as the Buick would have cost. I got a much more sophisticated and better equipped car

[reddy54]

Can someone confirm? My friend is considering buying a 2008 Sienna with the help of an American friend. He told me that he heard stories that people has successfully importing 2008 Sienna into Canada. Thanks.

The 2008 Sienna if manufactured after Sept 1 2007 is no longer admissible per the Nov 1 2007 RIV list section 5.4

[dotcalamitie]

I'm going to get a used 2007 Prius this week and go thru the protocols. With the 2008 models locked out, that will help me make more money when I go to sell it. I love Toyota Canada!!! Thanks for putting money in my pocket.

[MightyMike]

I think Toolman was just lucky. I made the decision to buy a Sienna from the U.S. last week, wired the money yesterday, and by chance I just happened to double-check the inadmissible vehicle list and discovered that the 2008 Sienna was on there. I called RIV this morning and they confirmed that any 2008 Sienna built on or after September 1, 2007, will not be allowed into Canada. The person at RIV said that the only way such a car could be imported would be to have an immobilizer that is up to Canadian standards installed, but that installation would have to happen in the States--it would not be allowed across the border until it was done. She didn't even know whether such a thing was possible, and said I should call Toyota.

I was lucky--I talked to my dealership and although the car I was going to buy was manufactured in October, they had one on the lot with identical options but in a different colour that was manufactured in August, so I'm in the clear. But if you've already arranged to bring a Sienna across the border, TALK TO YOUR DEALER! Otherwise you may be facing a nasty surprise when you get across the border.

[vim]

I think Toolman was just lucky. I made the decision to buy a Sienna from the U.S. last week, wired the money yesterday, and by chance I just happened to double-check the inadmissible vehicle list and discovered that the 2008 Sienna was on there. I called RIV this morning and they confirmed that any 2008 Sienna built on or after September 1, 2007, will not be allowed into Canada. The person at RIV said that the only way such a car could be imported would be to have an immobilizer that is up to Canadian standards installed, but that installation would have to happen in the States--it would not be allowed across the border until it was done. She didn't even know whether such a thing was possible, and said I should call Toyota.

I was lucky--I talked to my dealership and although the car I was going to buy was manufactured in October, they had one on the lot with identical options but in a different colour that was manufactured in August, so I'm in the clear. But if you've already arranged to bring a Sienna across the border, TALK TO YOUR DEALER! Otherwise you may be facing a nasty surprise when you get across the border.

OK, Toyota Sienna CE does not have immobilizer. Toyota Sienna LE does have immobilizer. Why RIV in the list just wrote that all Toyota Sienna 2008 models are not allowed? Are you buying LE?

[MightyMike]

OK, Toyota Sienna CE does not have immobilizer. Toyota Sienna LE does have immobilizer. Why RIV in the list just wrote that all Toyota Sienna 2008 models are not allowed? Are you buying LE?

I'm buying the LE. Apparently there's some difference between Canadian and American immobilizers that makes this whole vehicle impossible to import. More likely, Toyota's making it all up in an effort to stop people like us from saving money.

[scrolllock]

I'm buying the LE. Apparently there's some difference between Canadian and American immobilizers that makes this whole vehicle impossible to import. More likely, Toyota's making it all up in an effort to stop people like us from saving money.

Toyota is making it up just like Honda! TC is saying if the manufacturer says the car doesn't meet the immobilizer spec your INADMIN. Now the manufacturers are also saying that if you install a 3rd party Immobilizer on top of the non-compliant one they will not guarantee the safety of the car!!

The 3rd party companies are saying that putting their product on top does not affect the safety or performance of the car.

TC does not have the balls to stand up to the manufacturers and favor the consumer, it is all a big joke to them.

[accorder]

Ford joins incentive parade with `allowance,' GST cut:

Ford is offering consumers big auto incentives worth several thousand dollars in response to a consumer uproar over much lower prices on the same vehicles in the U.S.
.........

At Ford, the incentives will drop the price of a 2007 Focus ZX5 by $3,250 to $15,749; a 2007 Ford Fusion by $5,570 to $18,749 and a F-250 super duty pickup truck by $4,500 to $24,499. The prices do not include freight or taxes.

http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/273204
Yahoo! Ford is doing the right thing while GM is playing the hard ball.

[perfchris]

Transport Canada depends on the goodwill of manufacturers to voluntarily submit information on compliance of vehicles to Canadian standards. I suspect that if there is any suspicion of tampering by Toyota and Honda there will be an investigation into the immobilizer issue and should these vehicles be identical they will eventually be allowed in as they ARE compliant to the Canadian standards: case in point the 2008 Civic that you have tried to import and when you contacted Honda USA they said that if you submit a US passport and a US address they will send you a compliance letter. In the legal sphere that is a pretty obvious precedent !

Thus, I would strongly suggest that all of us should send e-mails and call TC about this issue, even if you are not buying a Honda or Toyota as other manufacturers might follow suit with these false immobilizer issues.

Toyota is making it up just like Honda! TC is saying if the manufacturer says the car doesn't meet the immobilizer spec your INADMIN. Now the manufacturers are also saying that if you install a 3rd party Immobilizer on top of the non-compliant one they will not guarantee the safety of the car!!

The 3rd party companies are saying that putting their product on top does not affect the safety or performance of the car.

TC does not have the balls to stand up to the manufacturers and favor the consumer, it is all a big joke to them.

[flatman]

As far as I can tell the recent movement by Canadian car dealers in terms of incentives, rebates and lower prices is pretty much a token guesture.

Whatever vehicle you're looking at check it out fully in Canadian and US models.

I recently imported a used BMW Z4 (couldn't find anyone to sell new). Just for fun I checked out a 2007 model specced exactly the same from BMW Canada and BMW USA.

Canadian price- $60,385 Can. $

US price- $43,050 US $ = $40,613 (at $1.06 rate).

That means the Canadian car costs 50% more!!!. Note, the only alteration needed on this car for me was daytime running ligghts, which the US dealer did for free.

We are still getting screwed here folks.

[MightyMike]

Well it turns out the the Sienna the dealership told me they had in a different colour didn't actually exist--it was from another dealership and should never have been on their system. So they're currently hunting high and low to find me a Sienna manufactured before September--and surprise surprise, they've found me one that's $3,500 more expensive because it has the fancy DVD player package that I don't want!

I'm starting to get the feeling I'm being shafted. If they can't find me an alternative car, I'm buying a Hyundai Entourage. I've already talked to a Hyundai dealership in Bellingham and they're happy to sell to Canadians.

[channy]

Ford joins incentive parade with `allowance,' GST cut:

Ford is offering consumers big auto incentives worth several thousand dollars in response to a consumer uproar over much lower prices on the same vehicles in the U.S.
.........

At Ford, the incentives will drop the price of a 2007 Focus ZX5 by $3,250 to $15,749; a 2007 Ford Fusion by $5,570 to $18,749 and a F-250 super duty pickup truck by $4,500 to $24,499. The prices do not include freight or taxes.

http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/273204
What are the incentives for Mercedes?

[jnmontario]

I have to laugh. After I had to send an email basically saying "sorry, Toyota Canada has shafted me" to the Toyota dealership in DC that I was going to purchase a Prius from, I decided to give a couple dealerships in Ottawa a call (I was in the mood for an argument).

After getting the price $37,940 quoted to me (and $37,250 from dealership #2 -- $22,986 is what I was going to get the Prius for in the US) I brought up the fact that I had an American dealership willing to sell me the EXACT same car for $15,000 less. The guy on the phone at the first dealership quoted the Toyota bulletin saying that because of TSC (whatever it was about the engine immobilizer) that I could not bring the car into Canada. At dealership #2 there was some small-talk before he pulled out the engine immobilizer issue likely from the same bulletin.

Don't you think it's odd that both dealerships had a piece of paper on their desks with the engine immobilizer issue front and center? Almost like they've been told to push that as the excuse for why we shouldn't/couldn't buy from the US. As a side note, both of them tried to convince me that there was virtually no price difference between the American and Canadian cars once I paid duty/DRL etc... is it impolite to laugh at somebody while you're on the phone with them?

Long story short: Contact your local XXX dealership (whatever car you want to get) and tell them that the current situation is unacceptable. You would like to support them, but that their invoice price is too high and that you're buying that same vehicle from an American dealership. They have no way of knowing that you're bluffing about buying, but maybe, just maybe, they'll put pressure on the manufacturer of the car to change the pricing.

[jafferk]

As Acura did this weekend, the rumour is that Honda will have some token rebates for some of their models sometime next week. Even with the MDX at $7-$9000 off, it is still $7000 - $9,000 cheaper in the US. To the auto manufacturers, stop with the token rebates. This is enough, the cost has to be identical, now, not next week, next month, RIGHT NOW. the consumers have spoken!!!!!!!:twisted:

[accorder]

As far as I can tell the recent movement by Canadian car dealers in terms of incentives, rebates and lower prices is pretty much a token guesture.

Whatever vehicle you're looking at check it out fully in Canadian and US models.

I recently imported a used BMW Z4 (couldn't find anyone to sell new). Just for fun I checked out a 2007 model specced exactly the same from BMW Canada and BMW USA.

Canadian price- $60,385 Can. $

US price- $43,050 US $ = $40,613 (at $1.06 rate).

That means the Canadian car costs 50% more!!!. Note, the only alteration needed on this car for me was daytime running ligghts, which the US dealer did for free.

We are still getting screwed here folks.

Exactly. I won't buy cars in Canada until the prices reflect the reality.

[accorder]

What are the incentives for Mercedes?

check out http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/October2007/26/c8886.html

MB Canada did well in Oct and may not want to do more to bring down the prices

[geekhead]

I have to laugh. After I had to send an email basically saying "sorry, Toyota Canada has shafted me" to the Toyota dealership in DC that I was going to purchase a Prius from, I decided to give a couple dealerships in Ottawa a call (I was in the mood for an argument).

After getting the price $37,940 quoted to me (and $37,250 from dealership #2 -- $22,986 is what I was going to get the Prius for in the US) I brought up the fact that I had an American dealership willing to sell me the EXACT same car for $15,000 less. The guy on the phone at the first dealership quoted the Toyota bulletin saying that because of TSC (whatever it was about the engine immobilizer) that I could not bring the car into Canada. At dealership #2 there was some small-talk before he pulled out the engine immobilizer issue likely from the same bulletin.

Don't you think it's odd that both dealerships had a piece of paper on their desks with the engine immobilizer issue front and center? Almost like they've been told to push that as the excuse for why we shouldn't/couldn't buy from the US. As a side note, both of them tried to convince me that there was virtually no price difference between the American and Canadian cars once I paid duty/DRL etc... is it impolite to laugh at somebody while you're on the phone with them?

Long story short: Contact your local XXX dealership (whatever car you want to get) and tell them that the current situation is unacceptable. You would like to support them, but that their invoice price is too high and that you're buying that same vehicle from an American dealership. They have no way of knowing that you're bluffing about buying, but maybe, just maybe, they'll put pressure on the manufacturer of the car to change the pricing.

For those who want to google info check the following specs for this issue. So far I think the Canadian specs are based on the US ones and I must contact Transport Canada for their version as I'm not at all happy that Toyota is upfront with the consumers.

The immobilizer complies with this spec CMVSS 114
http://canadagazette.gc.ca/partII/2005/20050309/html/sor45-e.html
http://www.tc.gc.ca/acts-regulations/GENERAL/m/mvsa/regulations/mvsrg/110/mvsr114.html

in which the immobilizer is defined under this spec
CAN/ULC-S338-98, entitled Standard for Automobile Theft Deterrent Equipment and Systems: Electronic Immobilization
which as far as I can tell is based on the USA spec.
If you read all the info it seems that the whole idea is to harmonize the theft immobilization systems with the ones already in place in the USA.

For any who are willing to research this issue please post any interpretations but for now I can't see any difference between the US spec systems and ours. I'll do my best to contact Transport Canada for their side of the story.

[channy]

check out http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/October2007/26/c8886.html

MB Canada did well in Oct and may not want to do more to bring down the prices
Thanks! :)

[bigbug]

I have to laugh. After I had to send an email basically saying "sorry, Toyota Canada has shafted me" to the Toyota dealership in DC that I was going to purchase a Prius from, I decided to give a couple dealerships in Ottawa a call (I was in the mood for an argument).

After getting the price $37,940 quoted to me (and $37,250 from dealership #2 -- $22,986 is what I was going to get the Prius for in the US) I brought up the fact that I had an American dealership willing to sell me the EXACT same car for $15,000 less. The guy on the phone at the first dealership quoted the Toyota bulletin saying that because of TSC (whatever it was about the engine immobilizer) that I could not bring the car into Canada. At dealership #2 there was some small-talk before he pulled out the engine immobilizer issue likely from the same bulletin.

Don't you think it's odd that both dealerships had a piece of paper on their desks with the engine immobilizer issue front and center? Almost like they've been told to push that as the excuse for why we shouldn't/couldn't buy from the US. As a side note, both of them tried to convince me that there was virtually no price difference between the American and Canadian cars once I paid duty/DRL etc... is it impolite to laugh at somebody while you're on the phone with them?

Long story short: Contact your local XXX dealership (whatever car you want to get) and tell them that the current situation is unacceptable. You would like to support them, but that their invoice price is too high and that you're buying that same vehicle from an American dealership. They have no way of knowing that you're bluffing about buying, but maybe, just maybe, they'll put pressure on the manufacturer of the car to change the pricing.

I would ask the guy over the phone if he's willing to install a "Canadian Compatible" immobilizer for me if I pay him $1000 in cash (must be more than his commission, huh?) :lol:

[bigbug]

I just inquired for a new Hyundai Entourage and the US Dealership, told me that they aren't allowed to sell new to Canadians....:mad:

I might look a little further down south......but those who purchased a new Hyundai not long ago can You pm me the info....
(btw I'm RFD member before this thread was even started and I'm not a carmaker spy :twisted: )

I'm from Montreal, then dealers between Ohio and Atlantic ocean might be good...

This is suprising. I've talked to a couple Hyundai dealers in US and they were pretty friendly, and some were even desperated to sell me below their cost. But I ended up with a MDX. Try the Northtown Hyundai at Buffalo.

[ziploc]

This is suprising. I've talked to a couple Hyundai dealers in US and they were pretty friendly, and some were even desperated to sell me below their cost. But I ended up with a MDX. Try the Northtown Hyundai at Buffalo.

it was internet sales manager from Fuccillo Imports from Watertown NY...near Kingston Ontario that refused to sell me new...only used...

and thx for the dealer name will check it out

[scrolllock]

For those who want to google info check the following specs for this issue. So far I think the Canadian specs are based on the US ones and I must contact Transport Canada for their version as I'm not at all happy that Toyota is upfront with the consumers.

The immobilizer complies with this spec CMVSS 114
http://canadagazette.gc.ca/partII/2005/20050309/html/sor45-e.html
http://www.tc.gc.ca/acts-regulations/GENERAL/m/mvsa/regulations/mvsrg/110/mvsr114.html

in which the immobilizer is defined under this spec
CAN/ULC-S338-98, entitled Standard for Automobile Theft Deterrent Equipment and Systems: Electronic Immobilization
which as far as I can tell is based on the USA spec.
If you read all the info it seems that the whole idea is to harmonize the theft immobilization systems with the ones already in place in the USA.

For any who are willing to research this issue please post any interpretations but for now I can't see any difference between the US spec systems and ours. I'll do my best to contact Transport Canada for their side of the story.

Go to http: //townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.ef18c13/1302


And check out the discussions going on there .. this immobilizer standard is ridiculous. With all that is going on Transport Canada should just provide exemptions to those that did not know about the immobilizer. Prior to this issue all Honda cars had been admissible from 1992 to 2007. I was told by Honda Canada that there is no government agency that is in charge of stating whether or not an immobilizer meets the spec. It is up to the Manufacturers to be honest??

[badkarma]

What step is the immobilizer confirmation letter required? Do we have to fax it to RIV before getting an inspection form? Or is it something that's checked during the federal inspection? Or is it required to present to Canada customs?

[geekhead]

Go to http: //townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.ef18c13/1302


And check out the discussions going on there .. this immobilizer standard is ridiculous. With all that is going on Transport Canada should just provide exemptions to those that did not know about the immobilizer. Prior to this issue all Honda cars had been admissible from 1992 to 2007. I was told by Honda Canada that there is no government agency that is in charge of stating whether or not an immobilizer meets the spec. It is up to the Manufacturers to be honest??

Thanks for that thread-what a mess this whole admissible list has become. Transport Canada has to be held accountable for this joke of a list so it's time to contact my Liberal MP on this and let her know this is unacceptable. And by the time anythings done ....

[Kocur]

First off, a big thanks goes to Monsieurmaggot for starting this thread and to all of you that contributed to it.

Just imported a brand new Hyundai Tucson from Amherst New York. Total savings are somewhere between 7000 - 8000.
The service manager at 401/Dixie Hyundai could not believe it!..and I also still can't! :cheesygri
The import process was very quick and smooth.
Kocur

http://www.xdotseven.com/stuff/hIMG_2617.jpg


P.S. anyone looking for a winter car, i'm selling my SATURN here (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=510202)

[LoveRFD]

First off, a big thanks goes to Monsieurmaggot for starting this thread and to all of you that contributed to it.

Just imported a brand new Hyundai Tucson from Amherst New York. Total savings are somewhere between 7000 - 8000.
The service manager at 401/Dixie Hyundai could not believe it!..and I also still can't! :cheesygri
The import process was very quick and smooth.
Kocur



P.S. anyone looking for a winter car, i'm selling my SATURN here (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=510202)



how much for the car OTD?

[Kocur]

how much for the car OTD?

Not sure what OTD means, but:
US$17200
CAD$20700 on my driveway after everything.

[eastsidesubaru]

Actually Van Bortel, Northtown, Manchester, Carter, West Herr and Dexter are working on that exact prize.

The 1,000,000 reader will be offered the opportunity to buy a Subaru in the US for thousands of dollars less than in Canada.

His/her choice of dealer will also assist them with the importation process.


What, No love for Eastside? :lol:

Is it true?

Zach said EH?

... Sorry... Hanging around a lot of canadians lately... :lol:

[J233]

Thanks for that thread-what a mess this whole admissible list has become. Transport Canada has to be held accountable for this joke of a list so it's time to contact my Liberal MP on this and let her know this is unacceptable. And by the time anythings done ....

Agree, this is so ridiculous ! As I mentioned in my earlier post, the immobilizer requirement is based on some 1998 standard, if I read the #9 note correctly. Nobody can provide any detailed specs that would allow to compare "the standard reqs" with what manufactures provide in 2008 models. GM Acadia/Saturn Outlook 2007 and 2008 models, for example, are equipped with immobilizer as part of the standard equipment. What is different between 2007 and 2008 ??? OK, even if there is a difference, one still should have an opportunity to retrofit the vehicle with and aftermarket system - RIV lists three choices ? I am calling some senior TC bureaucrat in Ottawa responsible for highway safety reqs, etc Monday morning with all these questions - will share the feedback.

[ymlccc]

[Canadian tire in Montreal (Federal Inspection)]
I only know 2 places that will do the Federal Inspection during the weekend and at night after 5:00pm. Those 2 Canadian tire are in Chateauguay (search Canadiantire.ca and Store location-->Delson or Chateauguay. Thanks to perfchris for such valuable information. I got it done Saturday morning within 10 minutes. NOTE: better be there earlier like 7:30am or no later than 10:00am, usually if they are busy, they might not be able to perform the inspection so quickly, always give them a call before you go.

[SAAQ]
Well, the one I am dealing with in La prairie need to fax my title and all the docs to Quebec City and wait for 1.5 hour to get my car registered. however, they can't perform this task during the weekend as I already tried, I will have to come back during the week day... :(

[toolman]

Agree, this is so ridiculous ! As I mentioned in my earlier post, the immobilizer requirement is based on some 1998 standard, if I read the #9 note correctly. Nobody can provide any detailed specs that would allow to compare "the standard reqs" with what manufactures provide in 2008 models. GM Acadia/Saturn Outlook 2007 and 2008 models, for example, are equipped with immobilizer as part of the standard equipment. What is different between 2007 and 2008 ??? OK, even if there is a difference, one still should have an opportunity to retrofit the vehicle with and aftermarket system - RIV lists three choices ? I am calling some senior TC bureaucrat in Ottawa responsible for highway safety reqs, etc Monday morning with all these questions - will share the feedback.

I had no problem getting form 2 at the RIF office yesterday. I imported my 2008 Sienna XLE, build 12.10.07. I believe the problem is with the the CE models. They do not have the Immobilizer.

[GougingCarCartelGroup]

I called a few BMW dealers in the USA and in Canada, and I’m sick to my stomach.

I want to purchase a new 328i coupe, and I am not allowed to purchase a BMW in the States. Because the Car gouging manufacturing Group CGMG (The OPEC of the automotive world) has decreed that the Canadian consumer can grease up and take it up the ass.

I asked when the pricing will be lowered, the dealer said he has no idea. (he said he will give me a 3K break on the 2007 models, which I find funny, he can shove that 3K right back up BMW’s ass.) I want an incentive of 8K minimum on 2008 328i models.

He told me it is not worth going to the states for the car, he suggested the included "heated" seats make up for the 11K+ price difference.

(Oh yeah he also said there is a duty of 6 percent, so i shouldn't go through with the American import) finally when he couldn't convince me of that, he said i will pay pst/gst on that American BMW.......... (LIKE I WOUDLNT PAY HIM THE DAMN PST/GST IN CANADA)...........

how stupid does the salesman have to to be to try this crap on a prospective customer?

I'm so tired of getting raped by our tax crazy government, and the opportunistic leaches we call big business, that I’m going to do something about it.

I will call BMW Germany, or their main "Main" headquarters, and complain, *****, and whine until someone does something. I’m so tired of getting raped because i live in this "Poor country" where most of our money has to go to the tax collector, big business (Oil/cars/etc..) and whatever is left can pay for my stinking funeral cost when i'm too old to drive anyway.

[dotcalamitie]

I attended a party tonight which had several new car dealers there that I talked to...the owners of new car dealerships. I'll give you all the poop on what's cooking, it is really interesting. First off, we all know the dealers have no control or influence on price. But I want to remind everyone of that. The immobilizer issue that has just surfaced this week, the dealers feel that someone probably got greased at Transport Canada to pull something of this magnitude off. Also, the dealers, at least the dealers that were at this party are enjoying the most profitable time of their life. Their new car sales, they say, aren't really off much - what is off is the high end cars. People aren't buying Cadillacs and loaded vehicles right now... Why? Because the dealers are selling them used US vehicles. One of the guys I talked to owns several dealerships including GM's and Japanese. He said for the first time his Japanese new car sales are higher than his GM's...as far as new car sales go. But he is averaging $5,000 profit per used car he sells...and he says he is selling almost a 100 cars a month at some dealerships. So he is a happy because the bottom line is his bottom line has never been so fat. This is the best year in the history of these dealerships.

Another dealer was telling me that one of the Big manufacturers have been selling US cars in Canada as well - they bring in the cars from the US, then change the speedometers and anything else needed to comply and then move the car to the dealers as if they were Canadian. So even some Canadian head offices are in on the gluttony.

I think the most interesting statement was that maybe unit sales might have been holding their own for car sales, but the highly profitable lines aren't selling well. My guess is that maybe BMW is selling lots of 3 series, but the 5, 6 and 7 series are sitting on the lots. I mean come off it, what guy who can afford a $60,000+ car is going to piss their money away on a product that costs 35% more here. It's not going to happen.

That being said, the dealers are with us on the immobilizer issue, this will impact the Toyota and GM dealers as they won't be able to bring in the US 2008 vehicles.

As an aside, I met a few people who had recently purchased 2007 used US vehicles - one guy had a 2007 Lexus LX460 he just paid $62,000 - these are listed at $102,000 in Canada new for the 2007.

[dotcalamitie]

I do have one big question for Transport Canada...

Why is it that an American can legally drive here in his 2008 Toyota Prius, live in his Canadian cottage for 6 months all the while driving around in his Prius, but we Canadians can't drive the same car here? Does anyone understand how this could be? Does it make sense? Where is the common sense in the law? This is completely unacceptable that Canadians are being treated as second class citizens in their own country. Either apply the law to EVERYONE or don't apply it at all!!!!

[drayog]

Just wondering does issue this affect the Toyota Matrix ? I have a friend looking to import one

[tico 1948]

First off, a big thanks goes to Monsieurmaggot for starting this thread and to all of you that contributed to it.

Just imported a brand new Hyundai Tucson from Amherst New York. Total savings are somewhere between 7000 - 8000.
The service manager at 401/Dixie Hyundai could not believe it!..and I also still can't! :cheesygri
The import process was very quick and smooth.
Kocur

http://www.xdotseven.com/stuff/hIMG_2617.jpg


P.S. anyone looking for a winter car, i'm selling my SATURN here (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=510202)
Nice one! Looks good in Black!! Geez MonsieurM, another notch on yer belt!;)

[scrolllock]

I do have one big question for Transport Canada...
Why is it that an American can legally drive here in his 2008 Toyota Prius, live in his Canadian cottage for 6 months all the while driving around in his Prius, but we Canadians can't drive the same car here? Does anyone understand how this could be? Does it make sense? Where is the common sense in the law? This is completely unacceptable that Canadians are being treated as second class citizens in their own country. Either apply the law to EVERYONE or don't apply it at all!!!!

This shows how screwed up the system is:

Thank-you for your recent inquiry. To import a vehicle from the U.S. the vehicle must be cited as admissible on Transport Canada's List of Vehicles Admissible from the United States.
The HONDA CIVIC EX-L COUPE 2008 model appears to be inadmissible, as they are not cited on Transport List of Admissible Vehicles from the United States. Therefore, they appear to be INADMISSIBLE for importation into Canada. Please refer to this list at http://www.riv.ca/english/US_vehicle_admissibility.pdf.

This list is constructed by specifications supplied by the Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) to certify compliance. If the OEM has not provided testing documentation that proves these vehicles comply or can comply with CMVSS, then they would be deemed inadmissible for importation. Please contact the OEM and have them provide this information directly to Transport Canada.

For future year vehicles, the importer must contact the manufacturer directly and request a letter stating this particular vehicle's admissibility into Canada. Once this letter has been obtained, please fax it in to us, at 416-626-0366. Upon receipt of this letter, we will forward it to Transport Canada, so they can update their information, if it has been accepted. Once this has been completed, we will be able to provide you with a letter allowing you to cross the border.

Under the Motor Vehicle Safety Act the responsibility for bringing an imported vehicle into compliance with Canadian safety regulations lies entirely with the importer; the RIV cannot be held responsible for any reason should the importer fail to complete the process successfully. Any information provided by the RIV is strictly based on the facts presented by the importer and reliance upon such information is at the importer’s discretion.

The information contained in this email is intended to assist individuals interested in importing a vehicle from the United States, and contains information on the admissibility of various makes, models, model years and class of vehicles provided by the original equipment manufacturer. This information is contained on the List of Vehicles Admissible Form the United States which is available to the public on our web site at www.riv.ca or directly at:

http://www.riv.ca/english/US_vehicle_admissibility.pdf

The admissibility of any particular make, model and model year of vehicle can only be ultimately determined by a) the presentation of the vehicle to Canada Customs at the time of importation, b) the decoding of the VIN contained on the vehicle import form – form 1 as presented to Canada Customs, and c) the successful completion of the federal inspection.

Special Attention: Effective April 1, 2007, the Registrar of Imported Vehicles will be unable to send Vehicle Inspection Forms out to the importer until we receive a confirmation or evidence that there are no outstanding recalls on the vehicle. Although we will make every effort to assist you with the importation process, please remember that it is the responsibility of the importer to make sure that this process is followed through. To facilitate the timely release of the inspection form, please mail all recall documents directly to our office or:
Fax: 1-888-642-9899 (exclusively for recall service) Email: recall@riv.ca

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[scrolllock]

This shows how screwed up the system is:

Thank-you for your recent inquiry. To import a vehicle from the U.S. the vehicle must be cited as admissible on Transport Canada's List of Vehicles Admissible from the United States.
The HONDA CIVIC EX-L COUPE 2008 model appears to be inadmissible, as they are not cited on Transport List of Admissible Vehicles from the United States. Therefore, they appear to be INADMISSIBLE for importation into Canada. Please refer to this list at http://www.riv.ca/english/US_vehicle_admissibility.pdf.

This list is constructed by specifications supplied by the Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) to certify compliance. If the OEM has not provided testing documentation that proves these vehicles comply or can comply with CMVSS, then they would be deemed inadmissible for importation. Please contact the OEM and have them provide this information directly to Transport Canada.


Honda America (OEM) will only give the letter to an American that is relocating to Canada.


Please someone in Transport Canada wake-up and make and use your common sense. This is being used by the manufacturers to stop Canadians from buying cars in the US at lower prices. They are protecting the Canadian Manufacturers.

[scrolllock]

http://www.dilbert.com/ see the weekly submission.

does it remind you of any organization?

Transport Canada?

[wally_walrus]

Honda America (OEM) will only give the letter to an American that is relocating to Canada.


Please someone in Transport Canada wake-up and make and use your common sense. This is being used by the manufacturers to stop Canadians from buying cars in the US at lower prices. They are protecting the Canadian Manufacturers.


There is no such a thing as a Canadian Manufacturer, only Canadian Distributors.

The CMVSS114 makes reference to CAN-ULC-S338-98-EN, which is available for $130 at www.ulc.ca. Didn't look into the standard, but I am sure if pressed to state what provisions of the standard their US immobilizers don't meet the car makers will suddenly make them admissible. Assuming this is the ONLY thing that makes the US 2008 cars inadmissible, than we should contact Transport Canada and ask that they force manufacturers to state EXACTLY which part of the standard the US cars don't comply with. Perhaps something that can also be used in the lawsuit?

[toolman]

I'm buying the LE. Apparently there's some difference between Canadian and American immobilizers that makes this whole vehicle impossible to import. More likely, Toyota's making it all up in an effort to stop people like us from saving money.

I may be wrong but I do not believe that there is a difference between the immobilizers on US and CDN models. My guess is if I go to the dealer here to get a new key made they use the same software to program the chip in the keys..

[scrolllock]

There is no such a thing as a Canadian Manufacturer, only Canadian Distributors.

The CMVSS114 makes reference to CAN-ULC-S338-98-EN, which is available for $130 at www.ulc.ca. Didn't look into the standard, but I am sure if pressed to state what provisions of the standard their US immobilizers don't meet the car makers will suddenly make them admissible. Assuming this is the ONLY thing that makes the US 2008 cars inadmissible, than we should contact Transport Canada and ask that they force manufacturers to state EXACTLY which part of the standard the US cars don't comply with. Perhaps something that can also be used in the lawsuit?

Yes, what I should have said was the Canadian subsiduaries of Multinationals.

Transport Canada told me that whatever the manufacturer states is final and it is their perogative if they don't want to give a reason.

Transportation Canada told me to get the Recall and Compliance letter from Honda.

American Honda told me they only issue these letters to American citizens.

All Honda cars from 1992 until 2007 have been admissible!

This is just a way to screw Canadians ... I hope everyone starts buying Subaru's and any other car that is admissible from the US.

I also hope an American with a 2008 Honda Civic Exl gets transferred to Canada soon... then what will they do!

[thegradas]

Ford joins incentive parade with 'allowance,' GST cut
TheStar.com - Business

Follows lead of Chrysler, BMW and Mercedes-Benz amid uproar over lower prices on autos sold in U.S.

November 03, 2007
Tony Van Alphen
Business Reporter


Ford is offering consumers big auto incentives worth several thousand dollars in response to a consumer uproar over much lower prices on the same vehicles in the U.S.

"We hear what people are saying – they prefer to purchase in Canada," Bill Osborne, CEO of Ford Motor Co. of Canada Ltd., said yesterday. "To continue to give Canadians good reasons to shop at home, we are providing additional savings on most of our vehicle line-up."

Ford will offer a $1,250 bonus on almost all Ford and Lincoln cars and trucks starting today in what the company calls its "Get in and drive year-end clearance" event.

Furthermore, Ford is adding a delivery allowance of up to $7,000 and a 1 per cent reduction of the federal goods and services tax.

During the last month, on-line shoppers have seen prices more than $10,000 lower on many popular vehicles at U.S. dealer websites, even though the Canadian dollar is now worth more than the American greenback.

As well, the ire of consumers increased when many automakers told U.S. dealers that selling to Canadians violated their franchise agreements.

Ford's move follows major new incentives by Chrysler, BMW and Mercedes-Benz in the last two weeks.

Earlier this week, Chrysler announced discounts of up $5,250 on cash purchases plus cuts in monthly payments for consumers who finance and lease vehicles.

At Ford, the incentives will drop the price of a 2007 Focus ZX5 by $3,250 to $15,749; a 2007 Ford Fusion by $5,570 to $18,749 and a F-250 super duty pickup truck by $4,500 to $24,499. The prices do not include freight or taxes.

[ymlccc]

Guys,

I got back yesterday with my new baby 2008 Subaru outback limited with VDC...

Pic as promised:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y49/ymlccc/outback/mix_1_1600_x9.jpg

[dotcalamitie]

Congrats ymlcc, the car looks gorgeous! Brand spanking new!!!

[Lost Horizon]

....

I'm so tired of getting raped by our tax crazy government, and the ....... and whatever is left can pay for my stinking funeral cost when i'm too old to drive anyway.

ah... the Federalos charge GST for you to die also.. and remember, just in case you think you can get out of it, they probably consider suicide as a taxable crime.. :D

[Lost Horizon]

I also hope an American with a 2008 Honda Civic Exl gets transferred to Canada soon... then what will they do!

..they'll make him remove the built in Navigation as it is not available in Canada....

[gjw1]

Across Canada it appears confusion reigns in the private car importation arena and it is to the benefit of the vested interests that sell new and used vehicles. Confusion and mis-understanding helps create fear and fear stops all action.
Props go to a number of people; Monsieur Maggot and the group of supporters that have worked with many here on the forum, Becca at Eastside Subaru for all the help and good service, and do not forget the inventor of the Internet. These people helped eliminate the fear.
After importing two cars into BC my thoughts about the process are many I would but more about those later I would suggest that rather than get distracted by all the flak that is being created by the "other side", and to enjoy the financial saving and ride quality of a new car get out there and find a vehicle on the admissability list and bring it home. I too have wanted a vehicle from one of the off limits list but the hassle, the increasing confusion and do not forget to consider the process stopping bureaucrats, have encouraged me to consider alternatives.
This maybe considered capitulation but as I have shared with many I have seen this change in currency rates and vehicle importation as an open window but for only a short time and to take advantage of it as quickly as possible. I did not forsee the difficulty to importing vehicles coming so soon or from the direction it is coming from, TC the RIV.
You will be successful at bringing in a great vehicle, many of us have done so and are enjoying the benefits, do not get side tracked by all the distractions. In your process of investigation send an email to your MP and whom ever else you think needs to know that there is something bad going on within Transport Canada and RIV.
Eliminate confusion by reading this forum and asking good questions take action by contacting a good dealership in the US, by the way you will be very pleasantly surprised at how different an attitude the Americans have toward car sales and the business process.
Thanks again to all on this forum, what a great resource and helpful community.
Graham

[longdong]

we are all know that they are identical.

But Pontiac Vibe 2008 is on admissible list and
Toyota Matrix 2008 is not on the list ..


Very funny ....

[ymlccc]

Congrats ymlcc, the car looks gorgeous! Brand spanking new!!!
Thanks! it is indeed brand new :D LOL:D

[thelefteyeguy]

Pic as promised:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y49/ymlccc/outback/mix_1_1600_x9.jpg

4 weeks and I have the identical setup ;)

[dotcalamitie]

I figure that someone in the government is getting greased...the original auto pact between the US in Canada was designed to balance jobs vs vehicle production. Without the auto pact more cars would have been made in the USA and less in Canada. So a lot of factories are set up here in Canada with government support so when the government hear's the auto companys saying protect us, the government is going to respond to their cries. Otherwise, the factories shut down here...because the government didn't help the auto companies in Canada. The whole situation seems very sensitive to me...consumers seeing the blatant disrespect for their pocket books - the government siding with the auto companies to protect the jobs.

Economically speaking, this barrier to trade is a huge drag on the economy. No economist these days, socialist or capitalist, would defend what is going on. The doors to the US have to be opened in order for prosperity to increase in Canada. Every ten thousand we save on a car is going to be spent on something else or the consumer is going to get even more car for their money and enjoy that prosperity. In my case, I've decided to drastically reduce my spend on vehicles. I've dropped down to my Subaru Tribeca from two vehicles, an expensive sports car and truck, and decreased my lease payments by over $2,000 a month. That is $2,000 a month that is not being spent on Automobiles in North America - whether it's Canada or the USA. My cynicism for the Canadian car industry has turned from enthusiast to disgust. Today I no longer look at cars the same way I did months ago.

[accorder]

Pic as promised:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y49/ymlccc/outback/mix_1_1600_x9.jpg

very nice ymlccc. maybe I should get a outback instead from the U.S. too.

[Lax5]

I am in the process of looking at importing another Nissan. Vehicles I am looking at are 2008 Frontier, Maxima SL or Pathfinder. These vehicles are equipped with immobilizers,however I am not sure if they meet Transport Canada's requirements. Anyone have info on this? Or, does anyone have a link to direct me to so that I can check if the Nissan immoblizers meet the requirements of CMVSS 114?

It is interesting that Transport Canada now sends the consumer back to the manufacturer for details about the admissability of the immobilizer if it is post Sept 2007; whereas in the past they verified things. Another in an attempt to discourage Canadians from importing vehicles from the US?

[longdong]

I am in the process of looking at importing another Nissan. Vehicles I am looking at are 2008 Frontier, Maxima SL or Pathfinder. These vehicles are equipped with immobilizers,however I am not sure if they meet Transport Canada's requirements. Anyone have info on this? Or, does anyone have a link to direct me to so that I can check if the Nissan immoblizers meet the requirements of CMVSS 114?

It is interesting that Transport Canada now sends the consumer back to the manufacturer for details about the admissability of the immobilizer if it is post Sept 2007; whereas in the past they verified things. Another in an attempt to discourage Canadians from importing vehicles from the US?

Maxima SL should be OK ... 2008 Frontier or pathfinder , be careful because you need Nissan letter to be able to import (the best is getting a car manufacture before september 2007)

[longdong]

very nice ymlccc. maybe I should get a outback instead from the U.S. too.

very nice another Subie down

Subaru receives alot of free advertising these days, so Subaru is on his way to sell more vehicle even in Canada. Very good decision from Subaru america, to get market share from other manufacture.

[happycamper001]

I am interested in getting a new Audi Q7 from States into Canada (GTA). However, I cannot find too much information about the experience of importing Audi Q7.

I checked the website, and found the followings:
- Audi Q7 is admissible to Canada.
- Audi seemed to honor USA warranty in Canada.

Does anybody have any experience in importing an Audi Q7 into Canada?
Do you have recommendation for me to start my process to import the Q7 into Canada?

[Beradon]

Agree, this is so ridiculous ! As I mentioned in my earlier post, the immobilizer requirement is based on some 1998 standard, if I read the #9 note correctly. Nobody can provide any detailed specs that would allow to compare "the standard reqs" with what manufactures provide in 2008 models. GM Acadia/Saturn Outlook 2007 and 2008 models, for example, are equipped with immobilizer as part of the standard equipment. What is different between 2007 and 2008 ??? OK, even if there is a difference, one still should have an opportunity to retrofit the vehicle with and aftermarket system - RIV lists three choices ? I am calling some senior TC bureaucrat in Ottawa responsible for highway safety reqs, etc Monday morning with all these questions - will share the feedback.If you took a Canadian and US versions of an '08 Saturn and did an investigation of the immobilizer within the vehicles, you will find NO difference between the two. This is obviously a ploy by the manufactures to stem the flow of US vehicles that imported by Canadians.

I can only suggest that everyone buys and supports manufacturers that don't play these dirty tactics. As for Canadians that insist on buying in Canada, don't buy your car yet. Wait until next year when the GST is down to 5% and the pricing of the of new cars(with manufacturer incentives) are evenly matched with US pricing.

[ac328]

If you took a Canadian and US versions of an '08 Saturn and did an investigation of the immobilizer within the vehicles, you will find NO difference between the two. This is obviously a ploy by the manufactures to stem the flow of US vehicles that imported by Canadians.

I can only suggest that everyone buys and supports manufacturers that don't play these dirty tactics. As for Canadians that insist on buying in Canada, don't buy your car yet. Wait until next year when the GST is down to 5% and the pricing of the of new cars(with manufacturer incentives) are evenly matched with US pricing.

I agree it's a ploy. Perhaps everyone should reward those manufacturers that make things straightforward with regard to buying and warranty issues (Infiniti, Subaru).

[LoveRFD]

Not sure what OTD means, but:
US$17200
CAD$20700 on my driveway after everything.

By OTD I mean on the road which means everything included. That's a nice looking car with nice price! Which model is it?

[CalgaryJeremyK]

As Acura did this weekend, the rumour is that Honda will have some token rebates for some of their models sometime next week. Even with the MDX at $7-$9000 off, it is still $7000 - $9,000 cheaper in the US. To the auto manufacturers, stop with the token rebates. This is enough, the cost has to be identical, now, not next week, next month, RIGHT NOW. the consumers have spoken!!!!!!!:twisted:

I thought that if I could convince the dealer to give me a bit of a break, then combined with Acura's 7,000 discount on the base MDX I could get close enough to the US price to justify buying one in Canada. We wrote an offer at an Acura dealership in Calgary yesterday to purchase a 2008 MDX base for $44,125 (after the 7K discount from Acura). This seemed reasonable but they came back with $46,995 which is a useless, measly $300 discount after factoring in Acura's 7K. After that, we gave up and will proceed with a Tribeca purchase. (I would have begrudgingly paid the additional 4K over US MSRP to get the warranty, Canadian instrumentation etc. but they wouldn't have it.) We may still try the offer at the other Acura dealership in Calgary. (I came up with my offer as MSRP 54,355 LESS Freight/PDI (useless markup charge) 1,855 LESS 7,000 discount LESS additional requested discount from the dealer of 1,375. I also refused to pay the stupid documentation fee they gouged us with last time).

Are there any sites where people can post what prices they have offered/had accepted for car purchases? (like biddingfortravel.com?)

[careener]

Yay..Redflagdeals was mentioned in yesterday's Toronto Star wheels section as a source for information on cross-border shopping.
Also in the article was this Hyundai dealership that delivers to Sarnia.
http://canadiancarsdirect.com/

Check out the prices!!
2007 Hyundai Azera SE
Our Price $ 21,999

2007 Hyundai Santa Fe

Our Price $ 19,999

2007 Hyundai Sonata GLS

Our Price $ 15,999

2008 Hyundai Sonata GLS

Our Price $ 16,999

[Lax5]

Maxima SL should be OK ... 2008 Frontier or pathfinder , be careful because you need Nissan letter to be able to import (the best is getting a car manufacture before september 2007)

I have not heard/read anything about getting a letter, other than recall, to import a Frontier or Pathfinder. Anyone else know anything about this change? Could someone post a link regarding this, if they have one. From what I can surmise from RIV and transport Canada there should not be any problem with any of these three vehicles.

[perfchris]

Search is your best friend ! Search audi Q7 and you will find all your answers !



I am interested in getting a new Audi Q7 from States into Canada (GTA). However, I cannot find too much information about the experience of importing Audi Q7.

I checked the website, and found the followings:
- Audi Q7 is admissible to Canada.
- Audi seemed to honor USA warranty in Canada.

Does anybody have any experience in importing an Audi Q7 into Canada?
Do you have recommendation for me to start my process to import the Q7 into Canada?

[MightyMike]

Incidentally, for anyone concerned about the 2008 Toyota vans and SUVs added to the inadmissible list, I talked to RIV again and got clarification on where, exactly, it says that pre-September manufacture dates are OK while post-September is not. If you look at the admissability list, page 19 refers to all minivans manufactured pre-September, and the Sienna is not on that list. The 2008 Sienna, Sequoia, FJ Cruiser, and LX570 are only listed as inadmissible on the list that refers to post-september manufactured vehicles.

The person at RIV said that if customs gives me a hard time, I should tell them to call RIV. It's still such an arbitrary dirty trick, but at least now I have it in black and white as to exactly where it says that my Sienna will be admissible.

[Bullseye]

I am interested in getting a new Audi Q7 from States into Canada (GTA). However, I cannot find too much information about the experience of importing Audi Q7.

I checked the website, and found the followings:
- Audi Q7 is admissible to Canada.
- Audi seemed to honor USA warranty in Canada.

Does anybody have any experience in importing an Audi Q7 into Canada?
Do you have recommendation for me to start my process to import the Q7 into Canada?

A co-worker brought in a nearly new Q7 about a month ago, no problems. Warranty is valid.

[Monsieurmaggot]

What, No love for Eastside? :lol:



What the hell was I thinking?

Don't forget Zach at Eastside. His deals are the best west of the pecos...

I thought I named all those quoted here.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Pic as promised:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y49/ymlccc/outback/mix_1_1600_x9.jpg

Can't look....

Gotta keep saying "I love my car I love my car".

Congratulations on joining RFDs SUPER SAVER CLUB..

Another one converted.....

[PaulieScatone]

Heys guy, I know there has been lots of questions and inquiries about Honda and Acura. Here is a recent success story with an estimated savings of $15,000.

http://borderdeals.ca/2007/11/04/my-border-purcahse2008-acura-mdx/

Its funny how an MDX is manufactured in Ontario and then it is shipped to the US and it becomes $15,000 cheaper. I can somewhat understand a slight difference if the vehicle was shippped from the US to Canada. I just don't get it.

[kellan165]

I just returned this week with a 2007 Acura MDX from an Acura dealer in Las Vegas. The SUV was an Acura corporate vehicle with 2,000 miles on it. It was was fully loaded with Tech and Sport package plus a few other accessories. Saved close to $19K. Honda wouldn't give me a recall letter but the dealer made up their own and RIV accepted it. There's also a Honda website you can go to to enter your VIN and it will show if there are any recalls. RIV will accept this as well.

I managed to find two dealers in other states still willing to sell new 2008 Acuras but for MSRP.

[killbillvol1]

One question - is there a waiting period, as to how long you most own a vehicle before you can resell in Ontario?

Just thinking down the road, if I have to sell the car, just in case.

Thanks.

[southpaw4golf]

Anyone know if it's possible to cross and have import documents/gst fees processed at the border on a stat holiday in particular on Rememberance Day? I'm faxing my documents to customs tommorow and thinking about pulling off the import over the weekend.

[Trexim]

Anyone know if it's possible to cross and have import documents/gst fees processed at the border on a stat holiday in particular on Rememberance Day? I'm faxing my documents to customs tommorow and thinking about pulling off the import over the weekend.

Every port has different rules and different working hour/day. Even if someone here tell you that you can, I would suggest you call the port you plan to cross to be sure ... actually call twice ... to be really sure.

[whampoa]

I just returned this week with a 2007 Acura MDX from an Acura dealer in Las Vegas. The SUV was an Acura corporate vehicle with 2,000 miles on it. It was was fully loaded with Tech and Sport package plus a few other accessories. Saved close to $19K. Honda wouldn't give me a recall letter but the dealer made up their own and RIV accepted it. There's also a Honda website you can go to to enter your VIN and it will show if there are any recalls. RIV will accept this as well.

I managed to find two dealers in other states still willing to sell new 2008 Acuras but for MSRP.

Did Honda suddenly change the rule, and not even issuing Recall letter, for a used Honda at a Honda dealership?

[southpaw4golf]

Every port has different rules and different working hour/day. Even if someone here tell you that you can, I would suggest you call the port you plan to cross to be sure ... actually call twice ... to be really sure.

good advice, will do

[kellan165]

Did Honda suddenly change the rule, and not even issuing Recall letter, for a used Honda at a Honda dealership?

Yup, it looks like Honda changed the rules during the first week of Oct. It came at the same time they stopped selling new to Canadians. I was pretty choked when Honda USA told me they couldn't even issue a recall clearance letter for a used vehicle.

[Dreyfus]

I notice a lot of people complain to RIV and Transport Canada, this is a good thing (to paraphrase Martha). One must not overlook the fact that the bureaucrats follow the orders of their political masters. The various dealer associations must be quite concerned about the volume of private imports and are even more concerned that private import growth is increasing. The members of parliament and Govt. Ministers are on the receiving end of a well run lobbying campaign. The non tariff barriers to private importation (CMVSS ...) do not happen by accident they are the result of a well oiled campaign. It is important that you let your local MP, MPP and relevant Ministers know of your dissatisfaction with their Govt's interference with your right to avail yourself of the benefits of "Free Trade". Lots of Canadians suffered loss of employment when "Free Trade" was implemented. Keep your communications brief, to the point and devoid of threats. Expressing disappointment at the behaviour of Gov't and expecting better from Canada's new Gov't is a reasonable stance. Keep in mind that both the Feds and the Provinces are capable of putting sand in the gearbox of private importation, so far the Feds are the sticking point with Quebec making minor moves.
Keep on comparison shopping.

[ymlccc]

Can't look....

Gotta keep saying "I love my car I love my car".

Congratulations on joining RFDs SUPER SAVER CLUB..

Another one converted.....
Monsieurmaggot,

Thank you VERY VERY much :D

If it isn't because of you started this thread, we'll never save ***** load of money. If I see you in person, beers are all on me :)

[diigii]

I'm watching CP24 right now with a caller asking Mohamed about the immobilizer on US-bought cars. A lot of callers are calling about buying US cars.

[jmlleung]

I also hope an American with a 2008 Honda Civic Exl gets transferred to Canada soon... then what will they do!

Even if an American can get the Recall Clearance Letter from Honda, won't they still be unable to import the car into Canada because it is 2008 Honda Civic is in the inadmissible list at RIV?

[gregorykay]

Ok so ive finally narrowed down my car selection ( I think) to either Nissan Rogue, Mitsubishi Outlander, or the Hyundai Tucson. Which one can I save the most on by buying in the US?

Any other suggestions on a simular car to buy in the same price range?

Thanx

[Lost Horizon]

The Emperors’ have no clothes!

Is it just me, or are the Car Manufactures unable to spin the magic invisible good deal thread like the good old days due to the pesky loon continually rising from the great lakes to the north, and thereby waking the comatose masses perched along the 49th NAFTA fence line?

We Canuks are, by nature, easy to handle as a large flock, and statistically have had this idealistic trust of the Corporations who actually rule over us. If they say they are dressed to the 9’s and bending over backward, we say thanks. Such has been the overlord mechanism of the well oiled Government feeding machine, delivered in bags supplied largely by the big Corps loaded up with Safe Senators and the like, then fed down to us in chapter and verse by the nodding legislative apparatus of the day. And, until this Internet thread thingy caught on, it worked pretty well in the divide and conquer approach to sheep shearing. Unfortunately, the boys in the castle are still spinning with the old style corporate thread, and the rest of the little people (out of desperation, but offset by sheer numbers) are piling on with Internet thread. At last, the huns have a way to actually compare the weave, and for the first time, the ugly and crude underbelly can be seen in the Corporate Automotive Industry as they desperately try to weave a border curtain in time.

Too late for them, but not for me. I will never, never be able to look at my expensive (Canadian referenced) Car or the Company that spun the dream in the same light again…ever.. I am disgusted at myself that it took a little maggot for me to see the truth and lift the blinders.

And to those companies who are still stuck in the rosewood offices planning the next border block tactic, beware.. we see thru your cover… The Emperors' have no Clothes, and you guys look real ugly undressed. No matter what you spend for those recovery advertising spots, this thread approaching one million views is already negating many millions of your traditional advertising dollars, and the downstream effect is way bigger than your spinners can imaging with their traditional brick and mortar mindset. The internet doesn't go away, and lives in the Google search Engine forever..

[sucker4adeal]

Thanks for all the awesome posting guys...

Have a couple of quick questions

1) Where are you finding the vehicles you are looking for? What resource are you using? ie: eBay, cars.com etc? What other website are you using?

2) Do we get taxed on so-called gas guzzlers due to the new environmental tax when importing a vehicle from the States? And do we get a tax break if we are buying full-efficient cars?

Thanks in advance!!!

[Beradon]

Ok so ive finally narrowed down my car selection ( I think) to either Nissan Rogue, Mitsubishi Outlander, or the Hyundai Tucson. Which one can I save the most on by buying in the US?

Any other suggestions on a simular car to buy in the same price range?

ThanxGo for the Tucson. Both Nissan and Mitsubishi won't honor the warranties when you purchase from the US.

[t_garp]

Went to a BMW in Vancouver yesterday to test drive a 3 series.

So the "deal" is they offer $1,500 cash back on 2008's and $3,000 back on 2007's left on the lot.

I was very offended by the snooty service where the dealer made me feel that buying a BMW was a privilege...

When my wife asked about the price difference between Canada and the US, the guy almost hit the roof! He started to "educate" us on all the pitfalls of buying a US car in Seattle and even claiming we had to pay Washington state sales tax. He went on to say that he had just priced out the exact same car we were looking at (328xi) for another client and the price difference, once you account for all the fees and conversion costs, the savings were not worth the hassle. (I had to stop myself from laughing my ass off right there). Long story short, the BMW dealers are acting like ostriches with their heads in the sand. That being said, the dealership was full of people looking... I didn't see much buying...and I know that at least one other couple asked about the US price diffidence too. (oh, and this dealer has US used imports on their lot, however, they sell at prces very close to Canadian cars...so I wonder where all the profit on that 2006 Z4 is going?)

The experience at the dealership left such a bad taste in my mouth, I am seriously reconsidering my car choice...Maybe I will go test drive that Subaru Legacy GT after all...

BMW Canada MSRP for 2007 328xi with Premium & 6Spd is $49,950 - $3,000 = 46,950.
BMW USA MSRP for 2007 328xi with Premium & 6Spd is $38,825 and that assumes no discount...invoice is $35,725.

That's an $8,125 price difference assuming I get no discount from MSRP!!! I have not added the 6.1% duty as the C$ is >1.06, so it's a moot point. Oh, and don't forget the extras $1000 in tax payable on the higher price...

I am now more determined to buy my car in the US (BMW, or other) just to spite the Canadian dealers. I do not feel as they are working to help their customers...I know that they are the ones that should be lobbying BMW, GM or Subaru Canada to act.

Heres to hoping that my next post has pics of my newly imported car. :cheesygri

[ziploc]

Went to a BMW in Vancouver yesterday to test drive a 3 series.

So the "deal" is they offer $1,500 cash back on 2008's and $3,000 back on 2007's left on the lot.

I was very offended by the snooty service where the dealer made me feel that buying a BMW was a privilege...

When my wife asked about the price difference between Canada and the US, the guy almost hit the roof! He started to "educate" us on all the pitfalls of buying a US car in Seattle and even claiming we had to pay Washington state sales tax. He went on to say that he had just priced out the exact same car we were looking at (328xi) for another client and the price difference, once you account for all the fees and conversion costs, the savings were not worth the hassle. (I had to stop myself from laughing my ass off right there). Long story short, the BMW dealers are acting like ostriches with their heads in the sand. That being said, the dealership was full of people looking... I didn't see much buying...and I know that at least one other couple asked about the US price diffidence too. (oh, and this dealer has US used imports on their lot, however, they sell at prces very close to Canadian cars...so I wonder where all the profit on that 2006 Z4 is going?)

The experience at the dealership left such a bad taste in my mouth, I am seriously reconsidering my car choice...Maybe I will go test drive that Subaru Legacy GT after all...

BMW Canada MSRP for 2007 328xi with Premium & 6Spd is $49,950 - $3,000 = 46,950.
BMW USA MSRP for 2007 328xi with Premium & 6Spd is $38,825 and that assumes no discount...invoice is $35,725.

That's an $8,125 price difference assuming I get no discount from MSRP!!! I have not added the 6.1% duty as the C$ is >1.06, so it's a moot point. Oh, and don't forget the extras $1000 in tax payable on the higher price...

I am now more determined to buy my car in the US (BMW, or other) just to spite the Canadian dealers. I do not feel as they are working to help their customers...I know that they are the ones that should be lobbying BMW, GM or Subaru Canada to act.

Heres to hoping that my next post has pics of my newly imported car. :cheesygri
they're not dealerships but stealerships...
and go check Subaru Legacy GT, I'm pretty sure You won't be disappointed

[Lost Horizon]

The experience at the dealership left such a bad taste in my mouth, I am seriously reconsidering my car choice...Maybe I will go test drive that Subaru Legacy GT after all...

Heres to hoping that my next post has pics of my newly imported car. :cheesygri

From someone who has both.. a BMW 335 twin turbo coupe and (just recently) a 2008 Subaru, if you are going AWD, you will definitely like the Subaru with it's VDC. The low C of G of the Boxster engine and the symmetrical AWD (no windup on any shafts) make it a straight tracking smooth running road hugger. Plus, you end up with a bunch of money to play with... bonus! :D

[runeash]

How would avoid paying US STATE SALES TAX?

Went to a BMW in Vancouver yesterday to test drive a 3 series.

So the "deal" is they offer $1,500 cash back on 2008's and $3,000 back on 2007's left on the lot.

I was very offended by the snooty service where the dealer made me feel that buying a BMW was a privilege...

When my wife asked about the price difference between Canada and the US, the guy almost hit the roof! He started to "educate" us on all the pitfalls of buying a US car in Seattle and even claiming we had to pay Washington state sales tax. He went on to say that he had just priced out the exact same car we were looking at (328xi) for another client and the price difference, once you account for all the fees and conversion costs, the savings were not worth the hassle. (I had to stop myself from laughing my ass off right there). Long story short, the BMW dealers are acting like ostriches with their heads in the sand. That being said, the dealership was full of people looking... I didn't see much buying...and I know that at least one other couple asked about the US price diffidence too. (oh, and this dealer has US used imports on their lot, however, they sell at prces very close to Canadian cars...so I wonder where all the profit on that 2006 Z4 is going?)

The experience at the dealership left such a bad taste in my mouth, I am seriously reconsidering my car choice...Maybe I will go test drive that Subaru Legacy GT after all...

BMW Canada MSRP for 2007 328xi with Premium & 6Spd is $49,950 - $3,000 = 46,950.
BMW USA MSRP for 2007 328xi with Premium & 6Spd is $38,825 and that assumes no discount...invoice is $35,725.

That's an $8,125 price difference assuming I get no discount from MSRP!!! I have not added the 6.1% duty as the C$ is >1.06, so it's a moot point. Oh, and don't forget the extras $1000 in tax payable on the higher price...

I am now more determined to buy my car in the US (BMW, or other) just to spite the Canadian dealers. I do not feel as they are working to help their customers...I know that they are the ones that should be lobbying BMW, GM or Subaru Canada to act.

Heres to hoping that my next post has pics of my newly imported car. :cheesygri

[st7860]

for those of you Extremely Worried about lack of warranty service, you can buy a warranty from a warranty company in Canada after the car is imported.

[gregorykay]

Ok so ive finally narrowed down my car selection ( I think) to either Nissan Rogue, Mitsubishi Outlander, or the Hyundai Tucson. Which one can I save the most on by buying in the US?

Any other suggestions on a simular car to buy in the same price range?

Thanx

Go for the Tucson. Both Nissan and Mitsubishi won't honor the warranties when you purchase from the US.

really they dont honour the warranties at all? That sucks, is there any way if I chose those to get a warranty here, like to buy an additional warranty for here once i get one? is there another similar car at the similar price range that does honor the warranty when buying from the us?

[ac328]

really they dont honour the warranties at all? That sucks, is there any way if I chose those to get a warranty here, like to buy an additional warranty for here once i get one? is there another similar car at the similar price range that does honor the warranty when buying from the us?


Please search the forum! This has been asked and answered many times.

www.carburner.com is a good source of info as well.

[eastsidesubaru]

How would avoid paying US STATE SALES TAX?

In washington, we do not charge sales tax to canadians.. state rules may vary however.


In my view? Canadian prices will barely go down at all... Instead, US prices will go up... think about it..

[diigii]

Go for the Tucson. Both Nissan and Mitsubishi won't honor the warranties when you purchase from the US.

I would like to tell you that you are definitely wrong about Nissan. Nissan will honor the warranty of a US-bought car. I know it because I had first-hand information in receiving warranty coverage.

[dotcalamitie]

Well, there is profit in them hills kids...I bought my Subaru off Multiline for $33 and have sold it for $36 thru autotrader. I'm sending an employee down this week to get me a 2007 Prius from the US. I'll sell that too. I'm also going to send an employee to get their dealers license so we can do this as a business. Multiline tells me they have sold over 30 Tribecas now. There are millions and millions of dollars on the table kids - yours for the taking. Go get your dealer license (not that expensive) and let's stop complaining and instead thank the Canadian Auto Industry for putting money in our pocket!

[Beradon]

I would like to tell you that you are definitely wrong about Nissan. Nissan will honor the warranty of a US-bought car. I know it because I had first-hand information in receiving warranty coverage.How long ago was this? Nissan has changed the terms of its warranty coverage. I get my information from the APA as well.

[collector]

Anyone know if it's possible to cross and have import documents/gst fees processed at the border on a stat holiday in particular on Rememberance Day? I'm faxing my documents to customs tommorow and thinking about pulling off the import over the weekend.

I really forgot about this... I was planning to cross the border on Nov. 12th. I don't think this will be possible:

** November 11, 2007, (the legal public holiday for Veterans Day) falls on a Sunday. For most Federal employees, Monday, November 12, will be treated as a holiday for pay and leave purposes (See 5 U.S.C. 6103(b).)

[happycamper001]

Search is your best friend ! Search audi Q7 and you will find all your answers !

Thank you for your advice. I tried the 'search the thread' option, and found some extra information.

[Raikkonen]

Very well written and a pleasure to read. Thank you.

Makes up for a dozen of those moronic posts on the Ford thread.....yay, now my Focus crap box is only $3500 more expensive in Canada as opposed to $6000.....



http://www.salamandersociety.com/blacksheep/sheep_mormons.jpg


The Emperors’ have no clothes!

Is it just me, or are the Car Manufactures unable to spin the magic invisible good deal thread like the good old days due to the pesky loon continually rising from the great lakes to the north, and thereby waking the comatose masses perched along the 49th NAFTA fence line?

We Canuks are, by nature, easy to handle as a large flock, and statistically have had this idealistic trust of the Corporations who actually rule over us. If they say they are dressed to the 9’s and bending over backward, we say thanks. Such has been the overlord mechanism of the well oiled Government feeding machine, delivered in bags supplied largely by the big Corps loaded up with Safe Senators and the like, then fed down to us in chapter and verse by the nodding legislative apparatus of the day. And, until this Internet thread thingy caught on, it worked pretty well in the divide and conquer approach to sheep shearing. Unfortunately, the boys in the castle are still spinning with the old style corporate thread, and the rest of the little people (out of desperation, but offset by sheer numbers) are piling on with Internet thread. At last, the huns have a way to actually compare the weave, and for the first time, the ugly and crude underbelly can be seen in the Corporate Automotive Industry as they desperately try to weave a border curtain in time.

Too late for them, but not for me. I will never, never be able to look at my expensive (Canadian referenced) Car or the Company that spun the dream in the same light again…ever.. I am disgusted at myself that it took a little maggot for me to see the truth and lift the blinders.

And to those companies who are still stuck in the rosewood offices planning the next border block tactic, beware.. we see thru your cover… The Emperors' have no Clothes, and you guys look real ugly undressed. No matter what you spend for those recovery advertising spots, this thread approaching one million views is already negating many millions of your traditional advertising dollars, and the downstream effect is way bigger than your spinners can imaging with their traditional brick and mortar mindset. The internet doesn't go away, and lives in the Google search Engine forever..

[Z-Tuned]

Yep its as easy as going to a dealer here.

Uncle just picked up a loaded Nissan Rogue AWD in Buffalo, NY. When the dust settled he saved $8500 or around 25%. Warranty is honoured, no state tax, regsitration was seamless, dealer lent plates to get back across border.

Hate to be a car salesman these days...they will go hungry for a while until it balances out.

[Dreyfus]

For those of you who get down to the nitty gritty of CMVSS114 and FMVSS114.
http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_06/49cfr571_06.html

[Dreyfus]

If anyone has the link to the whole Cdn standard, would appreciate it if you would post it here. Thanks

[GougingCarCartelGroup]

I find the dealers to be stupid, arrogant, and scummy when they pretend there is no problem and that the 328/335 pricing is close to the American price that it is not worth going through the trouble of importing a BMW.

How can you deal with a-holes like that? I just want to puke.
Even if you had money to burn, do you want to deal with such dishonest asswipes?




Went to a BMW in Vancouver yesterday to test drive a 3 series.

So the "deal" is they offer $1,500 cash back on 2008's and $3,000 back on 2007's left on the lot.

I was very offended by the snooty service where the dealer made me feel that buying a BMW was a privilege...

When my wife asked about the price difference between Canada and the US, the guy almost hit the roof! He started to "educate" us on all the pitfalls of buying a US car in Seattle and even claiming we had to pay Washington state sales tax. He went on to say that he had just priced out the exact same car we were looking at (328xi) for another client and the price difference, once you account for all the fees and conversion costs, the savings were not worth the hassle. (I had to stop myself from laughing my ass off right there). Long story short, the BMW dealers are acting like ostriches with their heads in the sand. That being said, the dealership was full of people looking... I didn't see much buying...and I know that at least one other couple asked about the US price diffidence too. (oh, and this dealer has US used imports on their lot, however, they sell at prces very close to Canadian cars...so I wonder where all the profit on that 2006 Z4 is going?)

The experience at the dealership left such a bad taste in my mouth, I am seriously reconsidering my car choice...Maybe I will go test drive that Subaru Legacy GT after all...

BMW Canada MSRP for 2007 328xi with Premium & 6Spd is $49,950 - $3,000 = 46,950.
BMW USA MSRP for 2007 328xi with Premium & 6Spd is $38,825 and that assumes no discount...invoice is $35,725.

That's an $8,125 price difference assuming I get no discount from MSRP!!! I have not added the 6.1% duty as the C$ is >1.06, so it's a moot point. Oh, and don't forget the extras $1000 in tax payable on the higher price...

I am now more determined to buy my car in the US (BMW, or other) just to spite the Canadian dealers. I do not feel as they are working to help their customers...I know that they are the ones that should be lobbying BMW, GM or Subaru Canada to act.

Heres to hoping that my next post has pics of my newly imported car. :cheesygri

[rail]

Lexus wouldn't sell me a new 2008 Lexus RX350 since I was Canadian, so I bought one through a friend in Atlanta.

Even after paying the Georgia/Atlanta state taxes (7%), one way airfare, hotels, meals and gas to drive it back to Winnipeg... I saved almost $18K.

My U.S. friend bought the vehicle first (and paid the state tax). I bought it from him as a used vehicle (only had 7 miles on it) after the dealership rushed the title through the DMV and my friend got the title in 4 days.

Temporary registration and insurance was easy through Manitoba Public Insurance with the scanned e-mail copies of signed Bill of Sale and front and signed back of the title. MPI registration is good for driving through all states.

Was able to fax scanned copies of the bill of sale & front and signed back of title to the U.S. Pembina, North Dakota border crossing before I left for Atlanta (one week before crossing the border).

Canadian Customs at the Pembina crossing do not process the RIV fee so had to make payment online.

RIV accepted a scanned e-mailed recall letter that was notarized from the owner of the U.S. dealership (otherwise RIV probably would have rejected it).

RIV also accepted scanned e-mailed form 1, but it took 72 hours to get form 2e-mailed to me.... The said they were really busy last week.

RX350 with 18" wheel option package in Canada was $57,450 + including freight & handling ($1775), A/C & tire tax ($114) + GST ($3560) & PST ($4154)= $67,053

RX350 with 18" wheel option package (which included a few more options than the Canadian version) was $39,540 + dealer processing fee ($385) Georgia state taxes ($2795), temp insurance ($104), airfare ($296), RIV fees ($206), A/C tax ($100), Manitoba provincial safety inspection fee since the car was considered used ($51), hotels ($395), gas ($240), meals ($120) + GST ($2316) & PST ($2695) = $49,243

A savings of $17,810.

[Dreyfus]

Makes interesting reading. http://www.tc.gc.ca/acts-regulations/GENERAL/m/mvsa/act/mvsa.html

[toolman]

I really forgot about this... I was planning to cross the border on Nov. 12th. I don't think this will be possible:

** November 11, 2007, (the legal public holiday for Veterans Day) falls on a Sunday. For most Federal employees, Monday, November 12, will be treated as a holiday for pay and leave purposes (See 5 U.S.C. 6103(b).)

This one is allways open....
Detroit
Name: Fort Street Cargo Facility
Phone: (313) 226-3139
Fax: (313) 226-5347
Operational Hours: Twenty Four (24) Hours A Day
Seven Days A Week (7)

[toolman]

Monsieurmaggot,

Thank you VERY VERY much :D

If it isn't because of you started this thread, we'll never save ***** load of money. If I see you in person, beers are all on me :)

I could not said it better myself! Thank you Monsieurmaggot

[Hannicho]

In washington, we do not charge sales tax to canadians.. state rules may vary however.


In my view? Canadian prices will barely go down at all... Instead, US prices will go up... think about it..

I can vouch for Eastside. I picked up my 08 Tribeca last Friday. No sales tax. GST and A/C tax are the only two taxes I paid.

Blaine truck border crossing is fairly busy. They are doing some roadwork at the truck crossing so depending on the time of day expect some extra delays. I was out of Eastside by 11:30am and cleared the border well before the 3:30pm closing time.

If you're from Alberta you can PM me if you have any questions about my new car purchase and experience.

..and i keep forgetting but thanks Monsieur and a thanks to the other Western Cdns for the assistance.

[GougingCarCartelGroup]

The 2008 Mercedes C350 is 37,275 with transportation or about $35,500CAD, and the Canadian version of that car is: $47,900 (but without Freight/PDI (up to $1,895)) another 25%+ markup from the American price.

I just want to ban these stupid ass Mercedes/BMW's from Canada all-together, i don't undersand why they are screwing us over. What we ever do to them? really?

To me 35K is affordable, but 47,900 for the same car is just a BIG RIP OFF

Can't anyone do something about it? Do we have anyone in Government to pick up the ball and run with it? Anyone ? Is every 2bit politician bought and paid by big business?

[teep]

Congrats Hannicho - hope you enjoy the car - and the price!

For those still shopping in Canada - send your sleezy sales person, desperately making up any old fibs to inhibit importing, to look at:

http://www.ataleoftwoprices.com/

where they have a useful list of comparisons of prices for most models for most makes. Each day the website is reset to the current loonie value, but theres a neat box where you can alter that yourself if you want. You can also see where US and Canadian models are not exactly comparable. Before you enter a Canadian car showroom, (BMW especially take note!) print out the page for the models you are interested in. Better yet, show it to all the others wandering round the showroom.

[cookiemunster]

Wow, people are definitely starting to import these for sale. But they sure aren't all dropping their prices!

http://www.canadatrader.com/result/detailinfo.aspx?ID=30233413&pgno=1&srt=1

$42k for 2007 Tribecca seems a bit high, doesn't it?

[t_garp]

How would avoid paying US STATE SALES TAX?

Just tell the dealer the car is for export...In Washington state, it works...or even better, Oregon has no sales tax. I believe sales tax ius collected only whenthe car is registered, but since the car iis never registered, there should be no sales tax.

For the East coast, I believe New Hampshire has no sales tax.

[hksun]

The only problem is you can not buy a brand new BMW in US. I have to settle with a nice pre-owned 07 X5. Paid $60K plus GST, PST and some minor admin. costs. I don't know exactly how much I saved, but I knew I got a good deal. Good luck finding yours!



Went to a BMW in Vancouver yesterday to test drive a 3 series.

So the "deal" is they offer $1,500 cash back on 2008's and $3,000 back on 2007's left on the lot.

I was very offended by the snooty service where the dealer made me feel that buying a BMW was a privilege...

When my wife asked about the price difference between Canada and the US, the guy almost hit the roof! He started to "educate" us on all the pitfalls of buying a US car in Seattle and even claiming we had to pay Washington state sales tax. He went on to say that he had just priced out the exact same car we were looking at (328xi) for another client and the price difference, once you account for all the fees and conversion costs, the savings were not worth the hassle. (I had to stop myself from laughing my ass off right there). Long story short, the BMW dealers are acting like ostriches with their heads in the sand. That being said, the dealership was full of people looking... I didn't see much buying...and I know that at least one other couple asked about the US price diffidence too. (oh, and this dealer has US used imports on their lot, however, they sell at prces very close to Canadian cars...so I wonder where all the profit on that 2006 Z4 is going?)

The experience at the dealership left such a bad taste in my mouth, I am seriously reconsidering my car choice...Maybe I will go test drive that Subaru Legacy GT after all...

BMW Canada MSRP for 2007 328xi with Premium & 6Spd is $49,950 - $3,000 = 46,950.
BMW USA MSRP for 2007 328xi with Premium & 6Spd is $38,825 and that assumes no discount...invoice is $35,725.

That's an $8,125 price difference assuming I get no discount from MSRP!!! I have not added the 6.1% duty as the C$ is >1.06, so it's a moot point. Oh, and don't forget the extras $1000 in tax payable on the higher price...

I am now more determined to buy my car in the US (BMW, or other) just to spite the Canadian dealers. I do not feel as they are working to help their customers...I know that they are the ones that should be lobbying BMW, GM or Subaru Canada to act.

Heres to hoping that my next post has pics of my newly imported car. :cheesygri

[baumann93]

I agree that it is much cheaper to buy a car in US, especially if it is a high end car. But don't you need to spend money making it a "Canadian car"? How much is it to make the necessary changes? Is it still worth it going to US buying a car, paying import taxes, making the changes, etc.?
Thank you.

[jzy]

I really forgot about this... I was planning to cross the border on Nov. 12th. I don't think this will be possible:

** November 11, 2007, (the legal public holiday for Veterans Day) falls on a Sunday. For most Federal employees, Monday, November 12, will be treated as a holiday for pay and leave purposes (See 5 U.S.C. 6103(b).)

I called the Champlain crossing last week and was told that they open on Monday Nov 12 for vehicle exportation.....But now I am crossing Lewiston, I am going to call and ask again just to be sure.

[shopper-X]

I agree that it is much cheaper to buy a car in US, especially if it is a high end car. But don't you need to spend money making it a "Canadian car"? How much is it to make the necessary changes? Is it still worth it going to US buying a car, paying import taxes, making the changes, etc.?
Thank you.

OMG!!!!:eek:
532 pages and you're the first one to figure out we have all forgot the buy the import duty!!!

Please read the very first post and then www.carburner.com before posting your question.

[Bullseye]

Well, there is profit in them hills kids...I bought my Subaru off Multiline for $33 and have sold it for $36 thru autotrader.

The Tribeca's at Multiline were $33k plus GST and PST (I know this for sure, I looked at them). If you sold it for $36k, didn't you just lose $1,600??

[heavychemist]

I have a quick question for those who have imported the Subaru Tribeca. Have you bothered to do any conversion work on the vehicle (odometer, speed guage, gas consumption, etc). We are, obviously, looking to buy a 08 Tribeca with GPS and are a little concerned (only a little) that we won't be able to easily convert anything to metric on the vehicle. Thanks for any replies.

Mike

[LoveRFD]

Well, there is profit in them hills kids...I bought my Subaru off Multiline for $33 and have sold it for $36 thru autotrader. I'm sending an employee down this week to get me a 2007 Prius from the US. I'll sell that too. I'm also going to send an employee to get their dealers license so we can do this as a business. Multiline tells me they have sold over 30 Tribecas now. There are millions and millions of dollars on the table kids - yours for the taking. Go get your dealer license (not that expensive) and let's stop complaining and instead thank the Canadian Auto Industry for putting money in our pocket!

Somebody did buy your Subaru for $36k? Lol, I wonder what he'll feel once he finds out he can get a brand new at $33k from multline.ca and even cheaper in US.:cheesygri

[scouzi]

I have a quick question for those who have imported the Subaru Tribeca. Have you bothered to do any conversion work on the vehicle (odometer, speed guage, gas consumption, etc). We are, obviously, looking to buy a 08 Tribeca with GPS and are a little concerned (only a little) that we won't be able to easily convert anything to metric on the vehicle. Thanks for any replies.

Mike

You can change the GPS to km (or language to French) even on the US spec Tribeca. You can't however change to odometer or the info centre. (ie outside temp from F to C).

The Subaru GPS is not worth the extra cost (unless you want the DVD and backup camera). It doesn't have good reviews and is far to reach.

You're better off in buying a standalone unit with mp3 and bluetooth. That way you save money and get a relatively well integrated system if you plug the GPS in the AUX audio input.

Just my opinion. I own a 2007 Tribeca.

[Bullseye]

Somebody did buy your Subaru for $36k? Lol, I wonder what he'll feel once he finds out he can get a brand new at $33k from multline.ca and even cheaper in US.:cheesygri

The buyer isn't as bad off over the Multiline price as you might think. He saved the GST by buying from Dotcalamity, so the final after tax price would have been $38,880, instead of $37,620.

Looks like Dotcalamity is the loser in this deal, unless he's found some way to avoid paying the GST/PST when he bought (which as an accountant, I'd be very curious to hear about!).

[bionicbadger]

The Subaru GPS is not worth the extra cost (unless you want the DVD and backup camera). It doesn't have good reviews and is far to reach.

You're better off in buying a standalone unit with mp3 and bluetooth. That way you save money and get a relatively well integrated system if you plug the GPS in the AUX audio input.


The backup camera makes it WAY easier to park. Also there is a microphone kit for voice command of the nav system, and also a bluetooth kit you can get. There are several posts about NAV system hacks on NASIOC. That being said the factory nav is way overpriced, but a it doesn't look like an aftermarket add in and fits in well. I got it since it was the only way to get the backup camera without adding some aftermarket camera and screen.

[Kocur]

I purchased the DRL kit and had Canadian Tire install it.
Now, everything seems fine except that there is no difference in 'strenght' of the headlight between DRLs and LIGHTS ON.
I thought DRLs use less WATTS and produce less light.
Was the kit improperly installed or could it be that the american bulb is different than canadian bulb? :cheesygri
Thanks in advance, Kocur.

[dotcalamitie]

I'm having the buyer pay Multiline direct...actually, i think the guy has figured out the Multiline thing and has disappeared. Multiline only has access to 40 or 50 Tribeca's and then they are out...They have sold 30 already they say.

I didn't buy the Tribeca, I leased it. I'll have the check made direct to Multiline and they'll cut me the profit back.

Would the guy feel bad paying $36K? Why??? He was going to buy a new one for $41K plus PDI. He should be happy!

[Dreyfus]

CMVSS 114 (latest iteration) was concocted in 2003. After extensive consultation with Canadian Vehicle Manufacturers Association (CVMA), individual manufacturers, Insurance Bureau of Canada, Insurance Company of British Columbia and other industry groups it came into effect Sept. 01 2007. What is most interesting is that the cost to the manufacturers to put it in each vehicle was estimated to be $32. Equally interesting is that the European and FMVSS 114 USA were accepted up until Sept 2007 at which time the United Nations ECE standard replaced the CMVSS 114 that existed up to that time. It should be emphasized that the IBC and ICBC were supportive of a home grown after market solution or the system used by US manufacturers in high theft vehicles. All this is not cast in stone, what the politicians/bureaucrats write can be rewritten. It is not difficult for Lawrence Cannon to instruct his bureaucrats to rewrite CMVSS 114 to accept European, US and IBC/ICBC standards. We have a land border with a country that constitutes 90% of the NA market it does not make sense to have Acts/Regulations that do not take economic and geographic reality into account. The bottom line here is that Canada has a regulation that adds $4,000 to $40,000 to the cost of a car for the Canadian buyers. This regulation was not supported by the manufacturers or the insurance industry in 2003-2004 when it was formulated. Mind you it became very useful to the manufacturers and dealers over the past two years. This abomination has to be amended and it is not a long drawn out process to get Privy Council to issue the amendment. Lawrence Cannon is personally responsible for presenting his recommendations and supporting documentation to Privy Council. Privy Council is a subset of Cabinet, after Cannon shifts the burden to privy Council you can then find Flaherty and Harper responsible for adding $4,000 to $40,000 to the cost of your car. A $32 mod adds $4,000 to $40,000 to the cost of a car, Alice in Wonderland alive and well, living in Canadian Govt regulations.
Keep on comparison shopping.

[thegradas]

Well, maybe he bought the car through his company and sold it with GST+PST.




Originally Posted by dotcalamitie
Well, there is profit in them hills kids...I bought my Subaru off Multiline for $33 and have sold it for $36 thru autotrader.

----------------------

The buyer isn't as bad off over the Multiline price as you might think. He saved the GST by buying from Dotcalamity, so the final after tax price would have been $38,880, instead of $37,620.

Looks like Dotcalamity is the loser in this deal, unless he's found some way to avoid paying the GST/PST when he bought (which as an accountant, I'd be very curious to hear about!).

[Strikerjs]

As many of you know, manufacturers are finally announcing rebates that would lower the price of new vehicles purchased in Canada. The rebates would not come close to matching US prices, but at least it is a start. Don't purchase a new car in Canada until the prices come down!

http://www.globeinvestor.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071104.whonda1104/GIStory/

[Bikeboy_99]

He told me that 3 people with US cars had come in for service in the past little while. And the dealership could not work on the vehicles because the s/w was not the same version. I know nothing more than that is what he said. The dealership/Subaru Canada is giving a further discount of $1500-$2500 cash discount and 1.9% -2.9 % rates on financing. My guess is that the US rates will go up and ours may move down a digit or two but that is how the car co's will do it anyway.


B

PS is the real problem leased residual values and the companies both finance and car will be holding the bag for upto 50% loss on residuals?

[diigii]

No worries. The DRL kit you bought at CT is the generic module compatible with all vehicles. It supplies full voltage to the headlights. You were expecting to see a reduced light output but the kit supplies full voltage. If you want a reduced light output on your DRL kit, you have to buy the different DRL kit that produces the reduced output for about $75.

I purchased the DRL kit and had Canadian Tire install it.
Now, everything seems fine except that there is no difference in 'strenght' of the headlight between DRLs and LIGHTS ON.
I thought DRLs use less WATTS and produce less light.
Was the kit improperly installed or could it be that the american bulb is different than canadian bulb? :cheesygri
Thanks in advance, Kocur.

[jafferk]

Received the following from the competition Bureau. Looks like from their point of view they can't enforce much, so best to stick with Transport Canada!!


I am responding to your telephone call to the Competition Bureau 2 November 2007 concerning restrictions on importing lower priced vehicles from the U.S.

The Competition Bureau is responsible for enforcing the Competition Act. The purpose of the Act is to maintain and encourage competition in Canada in order to promote economic efficiency in the Canadian economy and to provide consumers with competitive prices and product choices. As a statute of general application, it does not attempt to regulate individual transactions between buyers and sellers. Rather, the Act seeks to develop and maintain the conditions necessary for a competitive marketplace by defining a number of anti-competitive practices. Some of these practices are prohibited as criminal offences. Other practices, perceived to be potentially but not necessarily anti-competitive, are subject to review and remedial action by the Competition Tribunal. The Act does not provide the Bureau with any regulatory authority to decide the law or to compel entities to adopt a particular course of conduct in respect of their activities.

Businesses are generally free to set their own prices, at whatever levels the market will bear. High prices are a concern when they are the result of anti-competitive conduct subject to the Act.

The conspiracy provision, section 45 of the Competition Act, prohibits agreements among competitors that unduly lessen competition, such as price fixing arrangements. However, high prices or higher prices in one place than another is not, by itself, evidence of an agreement, particularly when there are plausible alternative explanations. The case law surrounding section 45 makes it clear that the practice of firms simply following their competitors' initiatives does not constitute a conspiracy offence. In any event, the section does not apply to the unilateral conduct of individual firms or to arrangements among related companies such as a supplier and its franchised dealers.

The Act recognizes that suppliers should be free to determine how best to distribute their products. Market restriction, where a supplier requires its authorized dealers to sell only within a specific geographic area, is generally permissible. The same applies to making warranties conditional on purchasing through an authorized dealer for the area. Pursuant to section 77 of the Act, the Tribunal can prohibit market restriction where it is likely to substantially lessen competition in a market as a whole. In this case, the practice only restricts imports of the manufacturer's own vehicles and does not restrict competition among the relatively large number of vehicle manufacturers in the overall market. Therefore, the market restriction is unlikely to result in a substantial lessening of competition in the market as a whole. Accordingly, this matter does not warrant further examination.

Thank you for bringing your concerns to our attention.

Richard Robicheau
Competition Law Officer | Agent du droit de la concurrence
(819) 994-7703 | Fax | Télécopieur (819) 953-8546
robicheau.richard@cb-bc.gc.ca
Competition Bureau 50 Victoria Street Gatineau QC K1A 0C9
Bureau de la concurrence 50, rue Victoria Gatineau QC K1A 0C9
Government of Canada | Gouvernement du Canada
www.cb-bc.gc.ca

[HondaSucks]

Just sent this to the Politicians.. Harper, Cannon, Pelltier, Dion, Layton

J.C. , here is a write up of what has to be done by Mr. Cannon and Mr. Harper over the course of the next few weeks. If not, I can guarantee you that this will hit the press and make the Conservatives look very bad. Already over 1 million people have visited the web site and clearly understand what Transportation Canada is up to .



The Liberals and NDP are going to be advised of the situation by 4:00 P.M. today.



Please provide me with a special exemption or at least have someone from transportation Canada put down in writing to the me and the public that Honda America states that the Honda Civic 2008 does not meet Canadian Standard Specification CMVS 114 and that there is no work around. The car cannot be altered. (which we all know is a lie)



I am fully prepared to return the car… but I do not want to see it back in the country in 3 years when the American leases run out and they start dumping the cars into Canada.



Again, thank you for your time in this urgent matter.

Non Tariff Barrier

CMVSS 114 (latest iteration) was concocted in 2003. After extensive consultation with with Canadian Vehicle Manufacturers Association (CVMA), individual manufacturers, Insurance Bureau of Canada, Insurance Company of British Columbia and other industry groups it came into effect Sept. 01 2007. What is most interesting is that the cost to the manufacturers to put it in each vehicle was estimated to be $32. Equally interesting is that the European and FMVSS 114 USA were accepted up until Sept 2007 at which time the United Nations ECE standard replaced the CMVSS 114 that existed up to that time. It should be emphasized that the ICB and ICBC were supportive of a home grown after market solution or the system used by US manufacturers in high theft vehicles. All this is not cast in stone, what the politicians/bureaucrats write can be rewritten. It is not difficult for Lawrence Cannon to instruct his bureaucrats to rewrite CMVSS 114 to accept European, US and ICB/ICBC standards. We have a land border with a country that constitutes 90% of the NA market it does not make sense to have Acts/Regulations that do not take economic and geographic reality into account. The bottom line here is that Canada has a regulation that adds $4,000 to $40,000 to the cost of a car for the Canadian buyers. This regulation was not supported by the manufacturers or the insurance industry in 2003-2004 when it was formulated. Mind you it became very useful to the manufacturers and dealers over the past two years. This abomination has to be amended and it is not a long drawn out process to get Privy Council to issue the amendment. Lawrence Cannon is personally responsible for presenting his recommendations and supporting documentation to Privy Council. Privy Council is a subset of parliament, after Cannon shifts the burden to privy Council you can then find Flaherty and Harper responsible for adding $4,000 to $40,000 to the cost of your car. A $32 mod adds $4,00 to $40,00 to the cost of a car, Alice in Wonderland alive and well, living in Canadian Govt regulations.

[Bullseye]

He told me that 3 people with US cars had come in for service in the past little while. And the dealership could not work on the vehicles because the s/w was not the same version. I know nothing more than that is what he said. The dealership/Subaru Canada is giving a further discount of $1500-$2500 cash discount and 1.9% -2.9 % rates on financing. My guess is that the US rates will go up and ours may move down a digit or two but that is how the car co's will do it anyway.

My guess is this is just more scare tactics on the part of a desperate salesperson. Can't possibly be much difference in terms of vehicles, they are all made for global markets now.

[happyandrew]

You are very lucky.
What does warranty vehicle inquiry look like? Is there any BMW logo on it?
I got a sevice histroy report from the dealer, but no logo on it.

Anybody else find a way to avoid paying BMW Canada $500 for this letter?

[QUOTE=flatman;5861003]Just completed import of 2005 BMW Z4.
Here's how it went.

Oct 25th drove down to Chicago with my wife and picked up the car. BMW salesman provide me with a Warranty Vehicle Inquiry which was accepted by RIV as a recall letter.While I was in chicago I picked up 4 snow tires for a savings of over $300 includiong tax and duty. Salesman provided a 10 day Ill. trip permit and I was on my way.

[hhhm3]

Anyone know which BMW dealership in the US is willing to sell to Canadian residents?
Some dealers are not willing to sell to CND res.

I been looking at an X5.
I really want the diesel version but not coming out til late 2008, not sure I can wait that long...
and also I don't like to buy any car first year in production, first year for X5 diesel.
The other thought was Porsche Cayenne Hybrid, but not out til 08 or 09?

[longdong]

The dealer made alot of money from the services, if he didn't to serv you so tell him that you will change the dealer to do the service for you. The dealer made alot of money more on the service than the actual sale to the buyer.


He told me that 3 people with US cars had come in for service in the past little while. And the dealership could not work on the vehicles because the s/w was not the same version. I know nothing more than that is what he said. The dealership/Subaru Canada is giving a further discount of $1500-$2500 cash discount and 1.9% -2.9 % rates on financing. My guess is that the US rates will go up and ours may move down a digit or two but that is how the car co's will do it anyway.


B

PS is the real problem leased residual values and the companies both finance and car will be holding the bag for upto 50% loss on residuals?

[Kocur]

No worries. The DRL kit you bought at CT is the generic module compatible with all vehicles. It supplies full voltage to the headlights. You were expecting to see a reduced light output but the kit supplies full voltage. If you want a reduced light output on your DRL kit, you have to buy the different DRL kit that produces the reduced output for about $75.

thanks a lot diigii

[happyandrew]

Anyone know which BMW dealership in the US is willing to sell to Canadian residents?
Some dealers are not willing to sell to CND res.

I been looking at an X5.
I really want the diesel version but not coming out til late 2008, not sure I can wait that long...
and also I don't like to buy any car first year in production, first year for X5 diesel.
The other thought was Porsche Cayenne Hybrid, but not out til 08 or 09?

You can only get a pre-owned one, unless you have a US friend working with you.

[diigii]

With the immobilizer system fiasco being used as the basis of inadmissibility for volume seller 2008 vehicles, I can't help but see who really is in charge of Transport Canada. It is the Canadian manufacturers/distributors head offices who are running Transport Canada. As what Transport Canada has said in its statements, it is up to the manufacturers to send in the pertinent information to determine a vehicle's admissibility. Transport Canada SHOULD be the one REQUIRING AND MANDATING a vehicle's admissibility standards. But as it stands now, TC is a lame duck and is at the mercy of the manufacturers/distributors. TC gets trampled on by "bullies."

Transport Canada is the government agency, it should act the boss in enforcing it's own mandate. I just feel jealous in that the US' NHTSA is not run by automakers.

[GougingCarCartelGroup]

I called BMW HQ in Canada today, just for the hell of it :)

I figure if more people call in and give them a really hard time maybe they will bring that news to the German HQ.

Funny thing is when i asked for the German HQ number, the guy was very defensive and did not want to give me the number at all, and he did not .

He was just talking about how BMW Canada is giving 1,500 incentive on a 328i 2008 model and that is supposed to let us forget the 10K+ difference in price in the USA.

WE don't have a government that will protect us, we have 2 bit whores in power that sold their souls to the corporations.

[MightyMike]

After hearing on another forum about somebody being refused a recall clearance letter for a 2008 Sienna, I called Toyota of America.

They said that they are no longer issuing recall letters for any 2008 Sienna--even those built before September 1st. In other words, they are refusing to provide recall letters for vehicles that are otherwise admissible under RIV.

I'm buying a Hyundai Entourage.

[accorder]

Yay..Redflagdeals was mentioned in yesterday's Toronto Star wheels section as a source for information on cross-border shopping.
Also in the article was this Hyundai dealership that delivers to Sarnia.
http://canadiancarsdirect.com/

Check out the prices!!
2007 Hyundai Azera SE
Our Price $ 21,999

2007 Hyundai Santa Fe

Our Price $ 19,999

2007 Hyundai Sonata GLS

Our Price $ 15,999

2008 Hyundai Sonata GLS

Our Price $ 16,999

yeah. Here is more details from this dealer. attractive prices.

http://ataleoftwoprices.com/forum/forums/p/47/62.aspx

[flatman]

You are very lucky.
What does warranty vehicle inquiry look like? Is there any BMW logo on it?
I got a sevice histroy report from the dealer, but no logo on it.

.

The warranty vehicle inquiry is a printout of the cars history. Mine did not have BMW logo, but it stated produced by BMW of North America. And the all important line, "not open campaigns" was on the first page.

[LoveRFD]

After hearing on another forum about somebody being refused a recall clearance letter for a 2008 Sienna, I called Toyota of America.

They said that they are no longer issuing recall letters for any 2008 Sienna--even those built before September 1st. In other words, they are refusing to provide recall letters for vehicles that are otherwise admissible under RIV.

I'm buying a Hyundai Entourage.


Somebody mentioned that the dealer can make up a recall letter or something like that if you really want to buy Toyota. But I agree with you, screw Toyota and get something else.

[Andro]

thinking of Importing a MINI Cooper S from US, anyone have any experience with importing a MINI? any restrictions? will they honor warranty?

P.S. i will of course research this more closely later on, however was just wondering maybe someone went through this already.

[tarnator]

thinking of Importing a MINI Cooper S from US, anyone have any experience with importing a MINI? any restrictions? will they honor warranty?

P.S. i will of course research this more closely later on, however was just wondering maybe someone went through this already.

yes, someone did. it was a second hand vehicle from a private seller...

if you so a 'search thread' for 'mini' you should find all the details of his import.
I would doubt that you could get a new one since they are a BMW product, but used seem possible.

I will be hoping to get one myself next year - so I will see how you do!

[newatthis]

just priced the 2008 Honda CR-V online, the same vehicle costs $8000-10000 less in the states:!: This is crazy, the government should step in and do something about this, at least make it easier for us to import cars into Canada.:twisted:

[nguyentri]

Here is the Contact Page for their Investors Relations.
Perhaps you can ask them, from a stockholder point of view, why the USA BMW dealers refuse to sell cars to certain people.

http://www.bmwgroup.com/e/nav/index.html?../0_0_www_bmwgroup_com/home/home.html&source=overview

I called BMW HQ in Canada today,
just for the hell of it :)

I figure if more people call in and give them a really hard time maybe they will bring that news to the German HQ.

Funny thing is when i asked for the German HQ number, the guy was very defensive and did not want to give me the number at all, and he did not .

He was just talking about how BMW Canada is giving 1,500 incentive on a 328i 2008 model and that is supposed to let us forget the 10K+ difference in price in the USA.

WE don't have a government that will protect us, we have 2 bit whores in power that sold their souls to the corporations.

[scope11]

Whoo!!! Thanks to everyone on this site that has contributed so much valuable information. After reading all 500+ pages in this thread (and almost getting divorced over it), I've completed my purchase and successfully imported/registered a new 2008 Nissan Versa SL hatchback into Canada. A modest savings for a smaller car, I saved $4,500.

After calling around and receiving various responses from NY Nissan dealers, I was lucky enough to find a dealer who would put into writing that their specific dealership would honour the Nissan warrenty, even though it clearly states in Nissan's warrenty that it would be void if I imported prior to 6 months. I was prepared to purchase the Versa without the warrenty if I had to, as the savings to me seemed to be worth the risk. This was an added bonus, and I would not expect the document to hold up in court. More of a gesture of good faith.

After negotiating a deal with the dealer over the phone, I took a trip down. I live close to the boarder, and in total it's a 2 hour ride to the dealership from my doorstep. I wanted to inspect and test drive the vehicle I was purchasing. So I ended up going down to do this, and brought my bank draft (dealer also let me put $5k on my credit card to get the points...). That was on a Saturday, and I was a little dissapointed to find out that dealer did not keep any of the titles on site, but at their head office an hour away. Also, they could not complete my paperwork for temp NY tags as the DMV is closed on Saturdays. My plan was to go down there, inspect/drive, purchase and drop the required paperwork off at the boarder on my way home that day (leaving the vehicle at the dealership), and going back 72 hours later. Confirmed with the boarder entry point that I could drop paperwork off at any time, but had to bring the vehicle Mon-Fri 8-4pm.

Anyhow, I bought the car and came home with nothing but a bill of sale that day. From there, this is how things went:

- Oct 20: Bought car
- Oct 20: Called PC Financial with VIN and received insurance with no problems (did not mention US purchase or import, simply gave VIN). Received emailed temp slip on Monday morning (pink slips showed up in mail that Friday).
- Oct 22: Called Nissan USA for the Recall Letter. Received faxed letter the following Monday (a whole week!). This was a pain, I had to call back 3 times and every time they kept entering in my fax number incorrectly.
- Oct 23: Follow-up with dealership, confirmed they have MSO, NY temp tags and that they dropped off paperwork at Ogdensburg boarder.
- Oct 26: Called US Customs at boarder entry point (Ogdensburg) to confirm they had my paperwork and I was good to come and get it that afternoon. Officer told me that dealer did not drop it off until Wednesday at 3pm and that I could not pick it up Friday. I must of had a very nice US Customs officer, because he then told me that he would be in Saturday and that I could do it then, even though they were technically only open for export Mon-Fri 8-4. This was after I was acted very dissapointed in the dealer and mentioned that I was going out of town on the Monday and would not be able to pick up the car for another 2 weeks after that.
- Oct 27: Drove to dealership after waiting the required 72 hours, picked up all paperwork and vehicle. Crossed the boarder, 5 minutes at US customers and 15 minutes at Canadian. No problems at all, officers on both sides were very interested in how much I saved... They would not process my RIV payment as they said RIV was so busy that their machines weren't answering the electronic payment requests.
- Oct 28: Made online RIV payment via credit card.
- Oct 30: Received Recall Letter and faxed RIV Form 1, Certificate of Origin and Recall Letter.
- Oct 31: Called RIV - running behind and it takes 48 hours to get into their system
- Nov 01: Called RIV - was in their system now, emailed me Form 2 within 30 minutes of call.
- Nov 02: Had local shop do up DRL's (and tint windows...). Went CT - passed with flying colours (5 mins), went to MTO plated and out in 5 mins.

To sum it up:

- Saved $4,500
- Got in writing from US Nissan dealership that they would honour the manufacturer's warrenty specifically at their shop, regardless of export.
- Awesome US Custom's officer that let me come and see him personally on a Saturday when they are closed for export.

I took my time with this, and really it only took less than a week after I had the vehicle to get plates. One of the things I found kind of funny was the girl at Canadian Tire tried to insist that I was required to get a "Saftey" done on the vehicle, and without it they would not complete the RIV inspection. I politly "educated" her that I was far more familiar with this process than she was, and my money that I already paid to RIV was to complete the RIV inspection by CT - please do that and nothing more. I also informed her that incorrectly making her customers get a "Saftey" inspection at CT could be perceived as a cash-grab by that CT location. She backed down fairly quick.

[Bullseye]

One of the things I found kind of funny was the girl at Canadian Tire tried to insist that I was required to get a "Saftey" done on the vehicle, and without it they would not complete the RIV inspection. I politly "educated" her that I was far more familiar with this process than she was, and my money that I already paid to RIV was to complete the RIV inspection by CT - please do that and nothing more. I also informed her that incorrectly making her customers get a "Saftey" inspection at CT could be perceived as a cash-grab by that CT location. She backed down fairly quick.

Congrats on the new car.

I found the same thing with CT, they asked if I wanted the safety done as well. I said no, they said I'd need to come back as it was required, I said they were wrong. In the end, I was right, no safety needed for new imports.

I put it down to confusion on the part of the the CT employee, not any conspiracy to get more money from me. The desk reps could care less about store revenues, they just thought they were helping me out.

[Carisear]

Whoo!!! Thanks to everyone on this site that has contributed so much valuable information. After reading all 500+ pages in this thread (and almost getting divorced over it), I've completed my purchase and successfully imported/registered a new 2008 Nissan Versa SL hatchback into Canada. A modest savings for a smaller car, I saved $4,500.


i would not call $4500 'modest'!

congrats!

usually i'm a staunch canadian supporter, but this is just ridiculous. The more people that don't buy here, and buy in the US, the better!

[HondaSucks]

Whoo!!! Thanks to everyone on this site that has contributed so much valuable information. After reading all 500+ pages in this thread (and almost getting divorced over it), I've completed my purchase and successfully imported/registered a new 2008 Nissan Versa SL hatchback into Canada. A modest savings for a smaller car, I saved $4,500.

After calling around and receiving various responses from NY Nissan dealers, I was lucky enough to find a dealer who would put into writing that their specific dealership would honour the Nissan warrenty, even though it clearly states in Nissan's warrenty that it would be void if I imported prior to 6 months. I was prepared to purchase the Versa without the warrenty if I had to, as the savings to me seemed to be worth the risk. This was an added bonus, and I would not expect the document to hold up in court. More of a gesture of good faith.

After negotiating a deal with the dealer over the phone, I took a trip down. I live close to the boarder, and in total it's a 2 hour ride to the dealership from my doorstep. I wanted to inspect and test drive the vehicle I was purchasing. So I ended up going down to do this, and brought my bank draft (dealer also let me put $5k on my credit card to get the points...). That was on a Saturday, and I was a little dissapointed to find out that dealer did not keep any of the titles on site, but at their head office an hour away. Also, they could not complete my paperwork for temp NY tags as the DMV is closed on Saturdays. My plan was to go down there, inspect/drive, purchase and drop the required paperwork off at the boarder on my way home that day (leaving the vehicle at the dealership), and going back 72 hours later. Confirmed with the boarder entry point that I could drop paperwork off at any time, but had to bring the vehicle Mon-Fri 8-4pm.

Anyhow, I bought the car and came home with nothing but a bill of sale that day. From there, this is how things went:

- Oct 20: Bought car
- Oct 20: Called PC Financial with VIN and received insurance with no problems (did not mention US purchase or import, simply gave VIN). Received emailed temp slip on Monday morning (pink slips showed up in mail that Friday).
- Oct 22: Called Nissan USA for the Recall Letter. Received faxed letter the following Monday (a whole week!). This was a pain, I had to call back 3 times and every time they kept entering in my fax number incorrectly.
- Oct 23: Follow-up with dealership, confirmed they have MSO, NY temp tags and that they dropped off paperwork at Ogdensburg boarder.
- Oct 26: Called US Customs at boarder entry point (Ogdensburg) to confirm they had my paperwork and I was good to come and get it that afternoon. Officer told me that dealer did not drop it off until Wednesday at 3pm and that I could not pick it up Friday. I must of had a very nice US Customs officer, because he then told me that he would be in Saturday and that I could do it then, even though they were technically only open for export Mon-Fri 8-4. This was after I was acted very dissapointed in the dealer and mentioned that I was going out of town on the Monday and would not be able to pick up the car for another 2 weeks after that.
- Oct 27: Drove to dealership after waiting the required 72 hours, picked up all paperwork and vehicle. Crossed the boarder, 5 minutes at US customers and 15 minutes at Canadian. No problems at all, officers on both sides were very interested in how much I saved... They would not process my RIV payment as they said RIV was so busy that their machines weren't answering the electronic payment requests.
- Oct 28: Made online RIV payment via credit card.
- Oct 30: Received Recall Letter and faxed RIV Form 1, Certificate of Origin and Recall Letter.
- Oct 31: Called RIV - running behind and it takes 48 hours to get into their system
- Nov 01: Called RIV - was in their system now, emailed me Form 2 within 30 minutes of call.
- Nov 02: Had local shop do up DRL's (and tint windows...). Went CT - passed with flying colours (5 mins), went to MTO plated and out in 5 mins.

To sum it up:

- Saved $4,500
- Got in writing from US Nissan dealership that they would honour the manufacturer's warrenty specifically at their shop, regardless of export.
- Awesome US Custom's officer that let me come and see him personally on a Saturday when they are closed for export.

I took my time with this, and really it only took less than a week after I had the vehicle to get plates. One of the things I found kind of funny was the girl at Canadian Tire tried to insist that I was required to get a "Saftey" done on the vehicle, and without it they would not complete the RIV inspection. I politly "educated" her that I was far more familiar with this process than she was, and my money that I already paid to RIV was to complete the RIV inspection by CT - please do that and nothing more. I also informed her that incorrectly making her customers get a "Saftey" inspection at CT could be perceived as a cash-grab by that CT location. She backed down fairly quick.

Well done and lots of luck!