WOW ---- New cars from US up to 30% cheaper (cost to import under $200)

[diigii]

i think all these newbies are either dealer or from toyota usa HQ....

Suspiciously so! :cheesygri

[gsuperman]

Just got my call today from Karl at VB saying my Subaru Legacy is ready for pickup on Monday. I'm taking the greyhound down and I keep going over all the steps that everyone has done to make sure I don't forget anything!

I'm hoping I can get mostly everything done on Monday, including making the trip to the RIV office to hand in Form 1 and get Form 2, which I will then drive straight to Cdn Tire to have inspect my car and stamp the form. Then if thats all done in time, I can try for Plates and Registration that same day too.

So I'm finally getting closer to joining the official RFD Savers Club, wish me luck :)

[lensls1]

I'm helping my father-in-law bring back a 2008 Shelby GT500. :D He saved over $25,000!!!! We are going through the Queenston-Lewiston border. When I called their hotline, they said that they need the Title faxed over to them 72 hours in advance. The dealer said that all they can fax over to them is the Certificate of Origin and that the "Title" is obtained in the State or Province in which the vehicle is regisitered. Is this correct?

The dealer faxed over the Certificate of Origin on Tuesday and left several messages asking for confirmation that they received the fax. He has yet to receive a call back. Is this normal? Does anyone have any first hand experience bringing a car back through this border.

Thanks in advance,

[diigii]

Just got my call today from Karl at VB saying my Subaru Legacy is ready for pickup on Monday. I'm taking the greyhound down and I keep going over all the steps that everyone has done to make sure I don't forget anything!

I'm hoping I can get mostly everything done on Monday, including making the trip to the RIV office to hand in Form 1 and get Form 2, which I will then drive straight to Cdn Tire to have inspect my car and stamp the form. Then if thats all done in time, I can try for Plates and Registration that same day too.

So I'm finally getting closer to joining the official RFD Savers Club, wish me luck :)

CONGRATS! Just make sure the CoT is faxed at Lewiston 72 hrs prior to Monday. But I'm sure Karl had that part of the process covered.

Are you getting restless, anxious and getting butterflies in your gut?? As what Monsieurmaggot told me when I went thru it, "....wait till you get to the border with the car!!" :cheesygri

[diigii]

I'm helping my father-in-law bring back a 2008 Shelby GT500. :D He saved over $25,000!!!! We are going through the Queenston-Lewiston border. When I called their hotline, they said that they need the Title faxed over to them 72 hours in advance. The dealer said that all they can fax over to them is the Certificate of Origin and that the "Title" is obtained in the State or Province in which the vehicle is regisitered. Is this correct?

The dealer faxed over the Certificate of Origin on Tuesday and left several messages asking for confirmation that they received the fax. He has yet to receive a call back. Is this normal? Does anyone have any first hand experience bringing a car back through this border.

Thanks in advance,

Ask the dealer if they kept the fax confirmation sheet when they faxed the original CoT. That's all you need to be faxed to Lewiston. If you have the VIN with you, you can call Lewiston and ask for receipt confirmation.

I crossed back at this border when I brought back my car from Maryland.

[gsuperman]

CONGRATS! Just make sure the CoT is faxed at Lewiston 72 hrs prior to Monday. But I'm sure Karl had that part of the process covered.

Are you getting restless, anxious and getting butterflies in your gut?? As what Monsieurmaggot told me when I went thru it, "....wait till you get to the border with the car!!" :cheesygri

Yes, Karl did confirm the CoT was faxed and I'll be good to go Monday. I am feeling very anxious though and I can only guess how it'll be as I approach that border with my car. I'm looking forward to it though...it's a great feeling knowing just how much I've saved. I've been lucky enough that the CDN $ just keeps going higher too. I'm getting the bank draft written up tomorrow morning.

I'll get some good reading done on the greyhound ride down at least too.

[diigii]

Yes, Karl did confirm the CoT was faxed and I'll be good to go Monday. I am feeling very anxious though and I can only guess how it'll be as I approach that border with my car. I'm looking forward to it though...it's a great feeling knowing just how much I've saved. I've been lucky enough that the CDN $ just keeps going higher too. I'm getting the bank draft written up tomorrow morning.

I'll get some good reading done on the greyhound ride down at least too.

Believe me. I grew restless and anxious as my day got closer. On the day I was driving back, getting close to the border was a completely different feeling. You start to doubt and think the various "what if something went wrong" thoughts. It's all normal since it's our first time importing a vehicle, not as often as shopping.

[shopper-X]

My friend can not seem to find the right USED 2005-2006 Toyota Tacoma v6 4x4 w/TRD in the North West USA.

Does anyone know of anyother sites then cars.com or autotrader.com? Even tried Toyota.com in the Cretified Used setion.

[ron958]

Anyone have information on dodge dealers willing to sell to Canada?

[smpmush]

I'd like to thank and express appreciation to SMPMUSH for his insider information. You're brave to share what privileged info you get from where you are. It's makes us more informed of what goes in these so-called meetings of high-level marketing types who should be listening to their only reason of existence, we the consumers.

In a utopian society, when we all consumers combined our purchasing clout, and decide to boycott a particular business, we will succeed in bringing down these business off their high chairs. Auto manufacturers, oil companies, insurance companies and banks should feel our wrath.

thanks Diigii but this is not inside info> Im sure most press releases say the same thing.. GM expects employee's to act as sales people for there products. Hence they provide this info s to help educate all employees so they will be able to respond to such questions with the "proper" answers! I supose they figure if all GM employees "sing" the same tune it will help to downplay the attention this topic has recieved in the media over the last month or so... I would like nothing more than for GM to sell more cars and trucks and make buckets of money in the process.. But from the statements comming from the auto companies it would seem that they might be leaning towards a slight increase in US prices ( to offset the weaker US $)instead of a decrease in Canadian prices.. Not the news anyone wants to hear but it doesn't look like they are prepared to adjust Can pricing anytime soon..

[toolman]

First thing, is this circled location right? I am bringing a car from US to Canada next week. I need your driving direction to this office compound.

Thanks.

http://aycu24.webshots.com/image/30503/2003103518581950289_rs.jpg

I would like to know that too.I am planing on exporting at this location in a week or two..
Detroit
Name: Fort Street Cargo Facility
Phone: (313) 226-3139
Fax: (313) 226-5347
Operational Hours: Twenty Four (24) Hours A Day
Seven Days A Week (7)

[crasher]

i think all these newbies are either dealer or from toyota usa HQ....

Toyata US HQ will know rightaway which dealer is selling to Canadians as there will be canadian address in BOS and MSO will be registered here in Canada. It is more likely some canadian dealer. here.

[chinsterr]

Anyone have information on dodge dealers willing to sell to Canada?

hahah i love this ...

NEWBS

[bcbud]

My friend can not seem to find the right USED 2005-2006 Toyota Tacoma v6 4x4 w/TRD in the North West USA.

Does anyone know of anyother sites then cars.com or autotrader.com? Even tried Toyota.com in the Cretified Used setion.

Heres an Ebay link to Tacomas for sale to Canadians http://motors.listings.ebay.ca/Toyota_Tacoma_W0QQfclZ3QQfromZR13QQloglZ1QQsacatZ6 439QQsocmdZListingItemList

[shopper-X]

Heres an Ebay link to Tacomas for sale to Canadians http://motors.listings.ebay.ca/Toyota_Tacoma_W0QQfclZ3QQfromZR13QQloglZ1QQsacatZ6 439QQsocmdZListingItemList

Thanks.
It sucks that most of the used Tacoma's are PreRunners which are 2 wheel drive even in the Northern states.

[cookiemunster]

My friend can not seem to find the right USED 2005-2006 Toyota Tacoma v6 4x4 w/TRD in the North West USA.

Does anyone know of anyother sites then cars.com or autotrader.com? Even tried Toyota.com in the Cretified Used setion.

You can also try http://autos.yahoo.com They have a couple V6's listed in that age range, and a couple V8's.

Sorry, the V8's are the Tundra's. But both the v6's are 4x4

[shopper-X]

You can also try http://autos.yahoo.com They have a couple V6's listed in that age range, and a couple V8's.

Sorry, the V8's are the Tundra's. But both the v6's are 4x4

A lot of sites including http://autos.yahoo.com use AutoTrader.com for the search.
http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/aut/rdsgn04/at_logo2_usdhp.gif

[vim]

I complained here about my insurance problems, and want to warn people who are preparing to buy car - make sure you have insurance arranged upfront. My company "TD General Insurance" refuesed to give me insurance .

I called TD about 7 times, send faxes and e-mails. They latest info - there is nothing they can do. Belairdirect gave me quote, said not problems and at the point when I had to give them my credit card info - they talked to supervisor and then told me cannot do that. Called in again, talked to different person - same problem.
I called in insurance Ombudsman, was told some companies do not have US presence - so they cannot give me insurance. My dealer called in to ask about my insurance and was told even I have 14 day new car automatically insured policy, this does not apply to me! I have car ready to pickup, everything (including customs) confirmed, except insurance problems!

[CheapScotsman]

I'm helping my father-in-law bring back a 2008 Shelby GT500. :D He saved over $25,000!!!! We are going through the Queenston-Lewiston border. When I called their hotline, they said that they need the Title faxed over to them 72 hours in advance. The dealer said that all they can fax over to them is the Certificate of Origin and that the "Title" is obtained in the State or Province in which the vehicle is regisitered. Is this correct?

The dealer faxed over the Certificate of Origin on Tuesday and left several messages asking for confirmation that they received the fax. He has yet to receive a call back. Is this normal? Does anyone have any first hand experience bringing a car back through this border.

Thanks in advance,I am getting interested in an upper end Ford Mustang as well ... did your father-in-law have any issues in finding a Ford dealership willing to sell to a Canadian?

[VladK]

anybody here imported Mercedes before? I want to know what kind of modifications it needs and how much it will cost. I'm looking at E350.

Maybe anybody with BMW or Audio those should be about the same in terms of modifications that will need to be done?

[Kamloops]

I complained here about my insurance problems, and want to warn people who are preparing to buy car - make sure you have insurance arranged upfront. My company "TD General Insurance" refuesed to give me insurance .

I called TD about 7 times, send faxes and e-mails. They latest info - there is nothing they can do. Belairdirect gave me quote, said not problems and at the point when I had to give them my credit card info - they talked to supervisor and then told me cannot do that. Called in again, talked to different person - same problem.
I called in insurance Ombudsman, was told some companies do not have US presence - so they cannot give me insurance. My dealer called in to ask about my insurance and was told even I have 14 day new car automatically insured policy, this does not apply to me! I have car ready to pickup, everything (including customs) confirmed, except insurance problems!

Call ICBC and get a binder from them , only about 100 bucks for 10 days. I dont think it matters if you are not in BC

Right from thier site:
http://www.icbc.com/faqs/Vehicle/bring_backPU.asp
Where to buy insurance

If you are in B.C., you can buy the Temporary Operation Permit or Binder for Owner's Interim Certificate of Insurance from any Autoplan broker.

If you are outside of B.C., call 1-800-328-4484.

[samberkun]

u post on realgm vladk? I think I saw your post! Go RAPS! Anyway For finding tacoma try craigslist maybe?

[vim]

Call ICBC and get a binder from them , only about 100 bucks for 10 days. I dont think it matters if you are not in BC

Right from thier site:
http://www.icbc.com/faqs/Vehicle/bring_backPU.asp
Where to buy insurance

If you are in B.C., you can buy the Temporary Operation Permit or Binder for Owner's Interim Certificate of Insurance from any Autoplan broker.

If you are outside of B.C., call 1-800-328-4484.

I am in Toronto, Ontario. I believe this is for BC residents that are currently outside. I called in, but now they are closed. I'll call in Tomorow and will report here my results! Thanks for suggestions!

[BMNB1tchesss]

I am looking for a new GMC truck and my experiences are that it is difficult to find a dealer willing to sell to Canada. One has gone so far as to claim it is "against the law".

[longdong]

There is a television on October 2nd concerning to buy a vehicle in Albany, and the guy saves around 17k on a Acura MDX.
http://www.radio-canada.ca/actualite/v2/lafacture/niveau2_liste97_200710.shtml

Click on.
Acheter sa voiture aux États-Unis: une bonne affaire?

You must know french. The problem is after this emission, Honda USA sent the letters to warm all US Honda + Acura dealers of not selling vehicle to canadians (they will risk to lose their dealership), the dealer that almost sells a Honda Odyssey, they said they received the letter on October 10th. Other Honda dealers on Rochester, they said they received the letters on October 9th. And I did wire money on October 2nd, unfortunely the money arrives on October 9th. And today the Honda dealer was agreed of selling an Odyssey to me, he refuses to sell the vehicle. He wants to refund my money (but not my wire transfer fee + exchange rates ... I will lose around 1500$ if I exchanged money back to Canadian dollars ) ....

Anyone knows french should voice concern to La Facture (Radio Canada), because of their emission, they cut links to all US Honda dealers. And I'm losing money because of that .

[i-o_o-i]

has anyone here imported an 07/08 Scion tC to Canada? it says on the list that 05/06 tC's are inadmissable but doesnt say anything about the 07/08 models, I do see places in Ontario selling the 07 and 08 tC's does that mean they should be ok to import to Canada?
also, many of you say Toyota cars bought in the US can have the warranty transderred to Canada, does it work for Scion too? or not because there aren't any Scion dealerships in Canada?

[VladK]

u post on realgm vladk? I think I saw your post! Go RAPS! Anyway For finding tacoma try craigslist maybe?

yes....Go Raps

[jshebib]

anybody here imported Mercedes before? I want to know what kind of modifications it needs and how much it will cost. I'm looking at E350.

Maybe anybody with BMW or Audio those should be about the same in terms of modifications that will need to be done?

check out http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5717592&postcount=5679

you can search in the thread... that helps when looking for something specific like feedback on mercedes. it looks like no one has tried recently. I was looking at John Holtz used car sales... they have some nice Mercedes... again, might be still a problem to import used mercedes.

[crasher]

Toyota is getting very aggressive in US
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/5963/adduy7.png

[yyz2hkg]

I just saw another 08 Subie parked near my house with Van Bortel License plate covers...that's the 3rd one now in Markham.

[Monsieurmaggot]

The airbag stickers on your overhead visors should contain both English and French language content.

I'm sorry, I'm not fluent in French. Perhaps someone here who has taken a pic of the bilingual stickers. I think someone posted their pics in earlier pages.

Importing aside, I'm privileged to have opened the 400th page of this forum. :cheesygri

Here's what the airbag stickers look like:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1413/1464555887_f458c518c1.jpg

Sorry the second one is slightly out of focus:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1028/1464555767_fbf9d1b58a.jpg

Even more bilingual safety stickers:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1416/1464555503_bcbd0fe3ea.jpg


I've seen them in French on almost every American car I've looked at. My Subaru has French warning stickers everywhere. That's the way it came from the factory and where these pictures came from.

[jabelone]

We called several Honda dealerships in Washington state yesterday and today, and they all refused to sell us an 08 model, claiming a long standing position of Honda USA not to sell for export to Canada. We tried being polite. We tried arguing... both to no avail. One dealer was willing to sell us a new Nissan, but not a Honda. None of them referred to a recent letter from Honda, as mentioned by others. We talked to a manager at one dealership who we finally persuaded to sell us one, but only if we could provide a US mailing address (friend, relative...). We did that (cousin lives in Olympia) but upon further discussion today with a sales associate, they suddenly said they would charge us Washington sales tax of 8.7%.

I hate to say this on this board, but I think this ship is sailing. Maybe Suburu and the odd Nissan dealer, but the door is closing fast.

So much for free trade.

[5136440]

Just got my call today from Karl at VB saying my Subaru Legacy is ready for pickup on Monday. I'm taking the greyhound down and I keep going over all the steps that everyone has done to make sure I don't forget anything!

I'm hoping I can get mostly everything done on Monday, including making the trip to the RIV office to hand in Form 1 and get Form 2, which I will then drive straight to Cdn Tire to have inspect my car and stamp the form. Then if thats all done in time, I can try for Plates and Registration that same day too.

So I'm finally getting closer to joining the official RFD Savers Club, wish me luck :)

With Greyhound, you will most likely spend a night in hotel doing nothing. So why not rent a car? Good luck.

[whampoa]

With Greyhound, you will most likely spend a night in hotel doing nothing. So why not rent a car? Good luck.

And how do you suggest returning a rental car if there's only one driver?

[BeeBee]

There is a television on October 2nd concerning to buy a vehicle in Albany, and the guy saves around 17k on a Acura MDX.
http://www.radio-canada.ca/actualite/v2/lafacture/niveau2_liste97_200710.shtml

Click on.
Acheter sa voiture aux États-Unis: une bonne affaire?

You must know french. The problem is after this emission, Honda USA sent the letters to warm all US Honda + Acura dealers of not selling vehicle to canadians (they will risk to lose their dealership), the dealer that almost sells a Honda Odyssey, they said they received the letter on October 10th. Other Honda dealers on Rochester, they said they received the letters on October 9th. And I did wire money on October 2nd, unfortunely the money arrives on October 9th. And today the Honda dealer was agreed of selling an Odyssey to me, he refuses to sell the vehicle. He wants to refund my money (but not my wire transfer fee + exchange rates ... I will lose around 1500$ if I exchanged money back to Canadian dollars ) ....

Anyone knows french should voice concern to La Facture (Radio Canada), because of their emission, they cut links to all US Honda dealers. And I'm losing money because of that .

Should contact La Facture and ask them to do a follow-up show on how the car manufacturers are preventing free trade between Canada and USA.

[bobsyouruncle]

... And today the Honda dealer was agreed of selling an Odyssey to me, he refuses to sell the vehicle. He wants to refund my money (but not my wire transfer fee + exchange rates ... I will lose around 1500$ if I exchanged money back to Canadian dollars ) ....


When I was working through my deal I was always afraid that this would happen to me. Thankfully it didn't but I didn't cancel my return ticket until I had driven the car off the lot.

If the deal does fall through I wouldn't convert it back to CDN$. I would open up a US bank account and look for another deal. Good luck.

[diigii]

I am in Toronto, Ontario. I believe this is for BC residents that are currently outside. I called in, but now they are closed. I'll call in Tomorow and will report here my results! Thanks for suggestions!

Switch to State Farm. I switched to State Farm when my previous insurance broker didn't want to provide me with temp coverage. State Farm will gladly take you and give you temp coverage. Call them. You can even choose the nearest State Farm office in your neighborhood.

[Ggilligan]

We are using Travellers Insurance and had no problem getting - our insurance thought will be for six months.

[sheriffabc]

In the 11'clock news tonite - 18 minutes from now - they going to discuss importing cars from USA

[fireguy9]

I would like to know that too.I am planing on exporting at this location in a week or two..
Detroit
Name: Fort Street Cargo Facility
Phone: (313) 226-3139
Fax: (313) 226-5347
Operational Hours: Twenty Four (24) Hours A Day
Seven Days A Week (7)

Thats the facility I went to when I exported a motorcycle

Very very busy there due to truck volume. Best time is late evening

[gsuperman]

In the 11'clock news tonite - 18 minutes from now - they going to discuss importing cars from USA

Which news network will it be on, I'd be curious to see it.

[J233]

[QUOTE=Billyboy;5751542]Did you buy new or used? I think it's easier with a Subaru because the US dealers are prevented from selling to Canadians.

What state did you buy from? MA for example, doesn't issue temporary permits.

Perhaps we should compile a list of all the states it is easiest to buy a car in... I've been negotiating for weeks with this MA dealer only to find out I can't drive off with the car!!![/QUOTE

Three months ago I got a quote for US$ 948.00 to have a SUV shipped from the Boston area to Customs warehouse in Mississauga. Price included clearing US customs on my behalf. I think this is a good deal, one way or the other the car has to get to Canada so there is always an extra cost involved. What I also found out is that some US dealers prefer to ship the car rather than let you drive off with it. If they deal with the shipping company directly they have a higher comfort that the car will leave the US soil for sure.

Here is the link to AA-Auto web site - http://www.aa-auto.com/. If you are interested, call their 800# and ask for Canadian agent. They will tell you how the process works (for example, original documents, like Title/MSO and bill of sale have to go with the vehicle).

[dealcatcher]

In the 11'clock news tonite - 18 minutes from now - they going to discuss importing cars from USA

which channel

[magicray]

I think he's talking about CTV - Channel 8 in the GTA

[svem]

Billyboy asked questions about buying through an American resident. Has anyone got an answer for this because I would like to know as well.

Now, hopefully someone can answer my questions about circumventing the manufacturer ban on selling to Canadians by processing the sale through an American friend.

There are two circumstances.

When the friend is in state (as pertains to the dealer)
When the friend is out-of-state.
In which state are sales taxes payable? The state where the car is purchased or the state where he resides?

The main issue here is can they buy and sell the car without registering it in their state first (thus saving on registration costs as well as state sales taxes).

If the friend lives in the state in which you are buying the car, then he goes to dealer, buys it, pays state sales tax in the state where he buys the car, drives off with it, registers it at DMV (or can we skip this step) and then sells it to you (do you both need to go to DMV?). When I buy it from him, I pay no state taxes or registration, but how do I drive it back to Canada? Don't I need for the car to be registered so I can drive it across the US?
Anyone done this before?

If the friend is out-of-state, does he pay sales tax in the state where the car is purchased or in the state where he lives when he registers the car at his local DMV? If that is the case, best find a friend in a tax-free state. Can he sell me the car before registering it at his DMV? Does he physically have to pick up the car at the dealer or can he sell it back to me without the car leaving the lot?
Anyone done this before?

If we can figure out the process, it could be easy buying a new car. I think a new car would be most people first choice.

What would be the best process for your American friend/relative to buy the car for you and then you buy it from him privately and import the car to Canada?

Is it just possible for your American friend/relative to drive the car over the border and leave the car in your drive way as well as giving any paperwork necessary to transfer the car into your ownership? And then you just go and register the car in Ontario? Is that possible or is there more to it?

[CheapScotsman]

I think he's talking about CTV - Channel 8 in the GTA
Probably matches this CTV article: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20071011/vehicle_imports_071011/20071011?hub=TopStories


Ottawa braces for record-setting vehicle imports

Updated Thu. Oct. 11 2007 9:47 PM ET

David Akin , CTV News

OTTAWA -- The federal government agency responsible for tracking cars and trucks imported into Canada from the U.S. is bracing itself for a record-setting year as tens of thousands of Canadians head south to buy vehicles for thousands of dollars less than they could get them in Canada.

The Registrar of Imported Vehicles, an agency of Transport Canada, is on track to deal with as many 160,000 vehicles this year, which will be bought by Canadian consumers from U.S vendors. As recently as 2002, the Registrar was averaging about 38,000 vehicles a year.

more in the link above


edit ... a Car Importings Tip video goes with the news article above: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/HTMLTemplate?tf=/ctv/mar/video/new_player.html&cf=ctv/mar/ctv.cfg&hub=TopStories&video_link_high=mms://ctvbroadcast.ctv.ca/video/2007/10/11/ctvvideologger3_192102296_1192156062_500kbps.wmv&video_link_low=mms://ctvbroadcast.ctv.ca/video/2007/10/11/ctvvideologger3_192102295_1192154664_218kbps.wmv&clip_start=00:02:19.93&clip_end=00:02:04.15&clip_caption=CTV%20News:%20David%20Akin%20with%20s ome%20car%20importing%20tips&clip_id=ctvnews.20071011.00217000-00217171-clip2&subhub=video&no_ads=&sortdate=20071011&slug=vehicle_imports_071011&archive=CTVNews

[regrus]

I seem to remember the problem with having a friend or relative purchasing a NEW vehicle on your behalf and then reselling it to you is that USA Customs will not allow the MSO to be reassigned to a third party.

So your friend/relative would have to Title it in their home State before they sell it to you. Works for States without a sales tax like Oregon and Montana; not sure of the rest.

[Tender]

Probably matches this CTV article: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20071011/vehicle_imports_071011/20071011?hub=TopStories



edit ... a Car Importings Tip video goes with the news article above: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/HTMLTemplate?tf=/ctv/mar/video/new_player.html&cf=ctv/mar/ctv.cfg&hub=TopStories&video_link_high=mms://ctvbroadcast.ctv.ca/video/2007/10/11/ctvvideologger3_192102296_1192156062_500kbps.wmv&video_link_low=mms://ctvbroadcast.ctv.ca/video/2007/10/11/ctvvideologger3_192102295_1192154664_218kbps.wmv&clip_start=00:02:19.93&clip_end=00:02:04.15&clip_caption=CTV%20News:%20David%20Akin%20with%20s ome%20car%20importing%20tips&clip_id=ctvnews.20071011.00217000-00217171-clip2&subhub=video&no_ads=&sortdate=20071011&slug=vehicle_imports_071011&archive=CTVNews


Just saw it on TV. A savings of $30,000 for a Lincoln Navigator! He paid under $50,000 to have it shipped to his door, while the Canadian dealers are charging $80,000.

[5136440]

And how do you suggest returning a rental car if there's only one driver?

Well, most major car rentals offer "One-Way" rental. I took a Volvo (booked a Sunfire but they found a Volvo:cheesygri with IL lisence plate) from National in T.O. and returned it at Rochester Airport. Karl picked me up then. Saved both of our time and the price I paid: $113 + Gas.

[Dorf]

anybody here imported Mercedes before? I want to know what kind of modifications it needs and how much it will cost. I'm looking at E350.

Maybe anybody with BMW or Audio those should be about the same in terms of modifications that will need to be done?

This is what I have learned through a fair amount of investigation. Take it with a grain of salt because it seems like various sources like to contradict each other, and in some cases, (eg., RIV) they don't seem to know what they are talking about (first post, btw)...

The deal with importing a MB starts with the riv.ca admissibility list. MB seems to refuse to provide modification information to RIV/Transport Canada. So, the admissibility list states that you must fax MB Canada with the year, model and VIN of the vehicle that you wish to import in order to get a "letter of admissibility". While this is provided at no cost by MB Canada, it is a hassle that no other manufacture seems to have. (Note that MB USA provides the recall clearance letter at no cost by faxing them your request). Once you have the specific vehicle that you are wanting to import (with VIN) you can request the letter of admissibility which, in theory, will be required at the border at the time of importation.

The next hurdle MB throws up is the modification requirements. This is what "they" expect you to do. Once you import the car (although with VIN you could probably do this in advance), you are to go to a Canadian MB dealer to inquire as to what modifications are required. Ah, but MB will take $750 of your money to tell you this information (one person I spoke to said that it was $250 to "research" the modification info and $500 for their regional manufacturer's rep to inspect the modifications (after they are completed presumably)). Anyways, after you cough up some money to the MB dealer and determine what needs to be done, you then have to get the actual work done by a MB dealer. Why you ask, well according to MB Canada, in order to get a "letter of compliance" (this is different than the label on the door of the car). After a fair amount of investigation with the provincial licensing agent, MB Canada, and RIV, I determined this letter is required in order to be sent the form 2 from RIV(required to get the federal inspection done). Also, it apparently is required to have the MB USA warranty valid in Canada.

Here is why this is all crap: (1) no other manufacturer seems to have this "letter of compliance", (2) the modifications will cost between $2000 and $6000, depending on year and model (according to MB Canada), (3) you can't find out the exact cost for your vehicle until you pay the $750 (or possibly $250, depending on who was telling me the truth) to a dealer to find out what modifications are needed, (4) the modifications must be done by a MB Canada dealer in order to receive the form 2 to complete the importation process (and to have a valid warranty in Canada).

In my case, I am wanting to import a 2005/06 SLK to Canada. I have been told that modifications are around $4000 (but this is nothing more than a guess as I haven't paid them money to "research" the modification requirements). Part of the modifications likely include replacing the entire instrumentation cluster. What makes this sickening is that according to the 2005 and 2006 SLK owner's manuals, the owner can easily switch the electronic odometer switch from miles to kilometers, cause a digital speedometer to be displayed in kilometers (in addtion to the analog display that doesn't change), and to turn on DRLs.

I have done this long, and hopefully useful, post in order to request some action on your part (if you are looking to import a MB). I spoke with a very helpful Transport Canada lady who suggested that I email roadsafetywebmail@tc.gc.ca (to the attention of Audit Inspection and Vehicle Importation) with a polite, concise detailing of how RIV should not require the "letter of admissibility" to provide the Form 2. If this was changed, then at least a person might be able to import a MB vehicle without being completely at the mercy of a MB dealership.

Thanks for listening... :D

[Pavel]

Has anyone had any success from buying a new car from Oregon where Washington state dealers won't sell to Canadians?

Also, for the lazy, does anyone know the website that offers a service to do all the paper work for you? I think I seen it on CTV. I would like to pass this info on to a friend of mine.

[Billyboy]

This is what I have learned through a fair amount of investigation. Take it with a grain of salt because it seems like various sources like to contradict each other, and in some cases, (eg., RIV) they don't seem to know what they are talking about (first post, btw)...

The deal with importing a MB starts with the riv.ca admissibility list. MB seems to refuse to provide modification information to RIV/Transport Canada. So, the admissibility list states that you must fax MB Canada with the year, model and VIN of the vehicle that you wish to import in order to get a "letter of admissibility". While this is provided at no cost by MB Canada, it is a hassle that no other manufacture seems to have. (Note that MB USA provides the recall clearance letter at no cost by faxing them your request). Once you have the specific vehicle that you are wanting to import (with VIN) you can request the letter of admissibility which, in theory, will be required at the border at the time of importation.

The next hurdle MB throws up is the modification requirements. This is what "they" expect you to do. Once you import the car (although with VIN you could probably do this in advance), you are to go to a Canadian MB dealer to inquire as to what modifications are required. Ah, but MB will take $750 of your money to tell you this information (one person I spoke to said that it was $250 to "research" the modification info and $500 for their regional manufacturer's rep to inspect the modifications (after they are completed presumably)). Anyways, after you cough up some money to the MB dealer and determine what needs to be done, you then have to get the actual work done by a MB dealer. Why you ask, well according to MB Canada, in order to get a "letter of compliance" (this is different than the label on the door of the car). After a fair amount of investigation with the provincial licensing agent, MB Canada, and RIV, I determined this letter is required in order to be sent the form 2 from RIV(required to get the federal inspection done). Also, it apparently is required to have the MB USA warranty valid in Canada.

Here is why this is all crap: (1) no other manufacturer seems to have this "letter of compliance", (2) the modifications will cost between $2000 and $6000, depending on year and model (according to MB Canada), (3) you can't find out the exact cost for your vehicle until you pay the $750 (or possibly $250, depending on who was telling me the truth) to a dealer to find out what modifications are needed, (4) the modifications must be done by a MB Canada dealer in order to receive the form 2 to complete the importation process (and to have a valid warranty in Canada).

In my case, I am wanting to import a 2005/06 SLK to Canada. I have been told that modifications are around $4000 (but this is nothing more than a guess as I haven't paid them money to "research" the modification requirements). Part of the modifications likely include replacing the entire instrumentation cluster. What makes this sickening is that according to the 2005 and 2006 SLK owner's manuals, the owner can easily switch the electronic odometer switch from miles to kilometers, cause a digital speedometer to be displayed in kilometers (in addtion to the analog display that doesn't change), and to turn on DRLs.

I have done this long, and hopefully useful, post in order to request some action on your part (if you are looking to import a MB). I spoke with a very helpful Transport Canada lady who suggested that I email roadsafetywebmail@tc.gc.ca (to the attention of Audit Inspection and Vehicle Importation) with a polite, concise detailing of how RIV should not require the "letter of admissibility" to provide the Form 2. If this was changed, then at least a person might be able to import a MB vehicle without being completely at the mercy of a MB dealership.

Thanks for listening... :D


I looked at a Mercedes too, and decided against it. When it's all said and done, the Mercedes will cost you an additional $4000 in modifications, on top of the 6.1% duty and any US sales tax (if dealer won't sell new Merc to you and you do it through a friend). Add it all up and you will see that the difference isn't great, especially on a car like the C300. You need to also consider that BMW, Audi and Volvo don't cost you anything in modifications.

Lastly, Mercedes won't honor the corrosion' component of their warranty in Canada.

You can go on the assumption, that any Mercedes model out there will require replacement of front and back bumpers. Mercedes Canada will tell you nothing. It's just BS on their part to discourage Canadians from buying in the US.

[jawneo]

I think someone was looking for directions to the U.S. Customs Building at the Ambassador Bridge. I think this is what they are looking for.


Directions to US Customs at the Ambassador Bridge
Head north on I-75N
Take the Ambassador Bridge exit
Turn right onto Lafayette Blvd. W (entrance to tolls)
Turn sharp right just before tolls and head towards 23rd Street
Continue on 23rd Street to West Fort Street
Turn left onto West Fort Street
Turn left onto 22nd Street
Continue on 22nd Street for about 400 ft
Turn right onto access road to US Customs
Turn left onto intersecting road (appears to lead back to toll booths)
Follow this road and park in lot in front of US Customs. Do NOT approach inspection booths as you will have gone too far and you will have to make another circle around the US Customs building. Do not park in the back of the building where there appears to be a large number of truck unloading docks.
Go inside with your new car's title (and supporting documentation if necessary) and await further instructions from USCBP officers.


Jawneo

[msrox]

Excuse me if this doesn't belong on this thread, but almost everyone here is talking about new vehicles. Is there a thread about purchasing used vehicles and importing them back to Canada?

It seems to me that this is the way to go. You save the instant depreciation plus the exchange and don't have the hassle of dealers not wanting to sell to Canadians. Also many of these vehicles have warranties remaining that are fully transferrable.

I am in BC and just returned from a trip to Spokane. Not too fond of the used car salesmen down there. Many vultures. I also do not like the fact that they are not required to post the prices of vehicles on each car but there are many good deals to be had.

Has anyone ever used a proxy service to have a used vehicle purchased for them at a dealer only auction?

Any thoughts on this?

[inspire]

I think someone was looking for directions to the U.S. Customs Building at the Ambassador Bridge. I think this is what they are looking for.


Directions to US Customs at the Ambassador Bridge
Head north on I-75N
Take the Ambassador Bridge exit
Turn right onto Lafayette Blvd. W (entrance to tolls)
Turn sharp right just before tolls and head towards 23rd Street
Continue on 23rd Street to West Fort Street
Turn left onto West Fort Street
Turn left onto 22nd Street
Continue on 22nd Street for about 400 ft
Turn right onto access road to US Customs
Turn left onto intersecting road (appears to lead back to toll booths)
Follow this road and park in lot in front of US Customs. Do NOT approach inspection booths as you will have gone too far and you will have to make another circle around the US Customs building. Do not park in the back of the building where there appears to be a large number of truck unloading docks.
Go inside with your new car's title (and supporting documentation if necessary) and await further instructions from USCBP officers.

I'm not sure if these directions are correct or not since I do not know where the starting point of reference is. I'm not sure what "toll booths" are located in this area, unless you're talking about the toll booths to cross the Ambassador Bridge. I will tell you -- it's in a VERY BAD part of town. Please go there during daylight hours -- it would be scary if you got lost in that part of town at night. No joke -- I live in Windsor and travel to the Detroit area frequently. (I also went through that crossing when I imported my wife's new car ...)

One other generic pearl of wisdom -- don't give those US officers any attitude. Be your typical 'Canadian' friendly behaviour and have all your paperwork in order and only answer the question you are asked in a brief fashion... life is good. When I went there and someone tried to talk his way out of something ... it wasn't pretty.

[shopper-X]

Has anyone had any success from buying a new car from Oregon where Washington state dealers won't sell to Canadians?

Also, for the lazy, does anyone know the website that offers a service to do all the paper work for you? I think I seen it on CTV. I would like to pass this info on to a friend of mine.

We bought a Subaru Tribeca in Oregon because they had the model we wanted. Also we used A&A Customs Brokerage for the paperwork. I would have rather saved the $373 and done it myself (see below).

We used A&A Customs Brokers because we could not get time off work. If you can do this yourself, do it and do not use a broker.
They quote you $250+GST and never mention the other fees.
I'll list the breakdown:

Entry Preparation: $250.50 + 15.03 GST
Tariff Classification: $7.50 + $0.45 GST
Initialization Process: $64.06 (no tax)
Vehicle Import Form - Form 1: $21.00 + $1.26 GST
Vehicle Inspection Fee - Form1 (RIV): $206.70 + 12.40 GST (if you pay RIV it's $195 + $11.70 GST, but since they have an account it's 6% more:twisted: )
Total: $549.76 + $29.14 GST = $578.90
Remember you have to pay the RIV fee anyways but at a lower rate so I'll back out $195 + $11.70 GST.
Total: $354.76 + $17.44 GST = $372.20

[icu_nxtime]

http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/TopStories/ContentPosting.aspx?feedname=CTV-TOPSTORIES_V2&showbyline=True&newsitemid=CTVNews%2f20071011%2fvehicle_imports_07 1011

Ottawa braces for record-setting vehicle imports
12/10/2007 7:48:03 AM

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OTTAWA — The federal government agency responsible for tracking cars and trucks imported into Canada from the U.S. is bracing itself for a record-setting year as tens of thousands of Canadians head south to buy vehicles for thousands of dollars less than they could get them in Canada.


David Akin



The Registrar of Imported Vehicles, an agency of Transport Canada, is on track to deal with as many 160,000 vehicles this year, which will be bought by Canadian consumers from U.S vendors. As recently as 2002, the Registrar was averaging about 38,000 vehicles a year.

In 2006, as the loonie started its climb versus the U.S. greenback, the Registrar recorded 113,000 transactions. This year, it's on track to record between 150,000 and 160,000 transactions.

"Our numbers just went through the roof," said Gary Moriarty, the Deputy Registrar of Imported Vehicles. "We are now receiving 5,000 phone calls a day."

Before the loonie surged against the greenback, calls to the Registry were averaging about 900 a day, said Moriarty. Earlier today, one U.S. dollar was worth 97.63 cents Canadian. Or, put another way, one Canadian dollar was worth 1.024 U.S. dollars.

'Pretty sweet deal'

Nick Bontis, an associate professor at the DeGroote Business School at McMaster University in Hamilton, is one of the thousands of Canadians who have found significant savings south of the border. This week, Bontis took delivery of a 2007 Lincoln Navigator, a luxury sports utility vehicle, that has a manufacturers' list price in Canada of about $75,000. After winning an online auction, Bontis paid a New Jersey dealer $46,200 U.S., the equivalent of about $45,000 Canadian.

"Just on the purchase alone, we saved over $30,000," said Bontis. "It's a pretty sweet deal but you have to do your research. It's not as simple as heading down to New Jersey and driving the car across the border."

To get the vehicle -- a dealer's demo model with only a few hundred kilometres on it -- from New Jersey to his home in Ancaster, Ont., Bontis paid a shipping firm $1,000, then paid a customs broker $100 to handle the paperwork at the border, and also was required to pay a $200 import fee charged by the Canadian government.

Even with the extra fees, his total vehicle purchase from the New Jersey dealer was well under $50,000 U.S. compared to the nearly $80,000 Canadian he would have been charged by an Ontario dealer.

Just as he would on a vehicle purchased in Canada, Bontis also paid the Goods and Services Tax and provincial sales tax on his purchase. But there are no extra tariffs or duties that have to be paid by consumers importing a car from the U.S. into Canada.

"We're very, very happy with the vehicle that arrived today in our house," Bontis said.

"We looked in Ontario, first of all, to find out what Navigators were available and at what price and we were starting to get a little discouraged because we saw such a huge difference between the Canadian prices and the U.S. prices."

Bontis is the kind of sophisticated consumer ideally suited for such a purchase. For one thing, this was his fourth purchase of a Lincoln Navigator. As a result, he was familiar with the product he was buying.

And, as a business professor, he understood some of the risks and liabilities he faced as a consumer completing a complex transaction largely on his own.

Registrar's website

But he also praised the website operated by the Registrar of Imported Vehicles for providing a comprehensive checklist of issues a potential purchaser has to deal with before completing the transaction.

"We went through that website and did every single thing step by step that that website asked for," Bontis said.

Moriarty's team at the Registar has collected plenty of helpful guides and information for Canadians considering purchasing vehicles from the U.S., most of which has been posted at the agency's website at http://www.riv.ca.

The Registrar's mandate is to ensure that any vehicle imported into Canada meets Canadian safety standards.

"Folks should know that the U.S. standards are substantially similar but there's some small significant differences," Moriarty said.

An Ontario Ford dealer -- Lincoln is a vehicle brand marketed by Ford Motor Co. of Detroit -- said that the price differential problem is "the hottest issue dealers in Canada have with Ford right now."

The dealer asked not to be named, citing concerns about spoiling the relationship between the dealership and Ford.

The dealer said he believed it would have been impossible for a Canadian dealer to sell a 2007 Navigator for a price of less than $50,000.

Most dealerships in Canada are independently owned and receive what is, in essence, a franchise from the manufacturer to sell a particular product line. Acting as a group, dealers have considerable power to influence a manufacturer's decision. But manufacturers have considerable power, as well, to fine a dealer or even suspend a dealer's ability to sell their cars.

U.S. dealers face threats

CTV News has learned that some U.S. dealers have been threatened with fines or suspension if they sell new vehicles to Canadian consumers.

There are, however, several bureaucratic pitfalls that could trip up Canadian consumers who are seeking vehicle bargains in the U.S.

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) requires that any vehicles being brought into Canada are registered with the department. The measure, intended to reduce auto theft, requires importers to provide DHS with the vehicle identification number ahead of the border crossing. Then, once the vehicle reaches the border, the importer is required to show proof that it has the appropriate DHS paperwork.
It is illegal to import certain vehicles into Canada. The Registrar of Imported Vehicles maintains a list of which vehicles can and cannot be imported.
Vehicles imported into Canada must meet Canadian safety standards. For example, Canadian vehicles must have daytime running lights. There is no such requirement in the U.S., although many vehicles in the U.S. have them. Where there is a deficiency, a consumer will have 45 days after importing the vehicle to correct any deficiencies before the vehicle must pass a Transport Canada inspection.
Moreoever, vehicles sold in the U.S. are not necessarily identical to the same models sold in Canada. Jim Miller, vice-president of Honda Canada Inc., said, for example, that windshield washer reservoirs tend to be larger in Canada because of our harsher climate.

For the same reason, batteries that are part of the original equipment on vehicles sold in Canada tend to be more powerful than those sold in American vehicles. He said there are dozens of other kinds of small but significant differences like that between Canadian and American models that can make a big difference to a Canadian consumer.

Honda and its upmarket cousin Acura, are notable in that warranties for their new vehicles are specific to the country they are sold in. In other words, a Canadian who buys a Honda vehicle in the U.S. will find that the warranty is no good in Canada.

BMW Group Canada of Whitby, Ont., by contrast, will honour warranties on vehicles purchased in the U.S. but says maintenance plans sold by U.S. BMW retailers are valid only in the U.S.

"BMW Canada's focus is on our own Canadian retailers. We encourage Canadian retailers to keep customers in Canada by offering the highest level of service possible," said BMW Canada spokesperson Jochen Frey.

Bontis asked Ford about his Navigator's warranty. New vehicles sold by Ford come with a "North American" warranty, which means they are covered in both the U.S. and Canada, regardless of where they are sold.

"Ford of Canada's concern is the consumer, and we do honour the warranties in both countries," said Gina Gehlert, public affairs manager with Oakville, Ont.-based Ford of Canada.

Gehlert -- and other manufacturers contacted by CTV News -- said pricing of new vehicles in the Canadian market is meant to reflect Canadian conditions.

"Despite exchange rate fluctuations, we have and continue to price to the Canadian market. The Canadian vehicle market is highly competitive with 16 (manufacturers) selling vehicles here."

Warranties are often a key issue for new car buyers. Canadians who choose to go to the U.S. for their purchase will have to do extra homework to make sure they have the warranty coverage they seek.

"There are a lot of risks involved in importing a vehicle form the U.S.," said Bontis. "First of all, caveat emptor. Are you actually buying and receiving exactly what you think you're buying and receiving?"

[Monsieurmaggot]

This thread has really taken off.

Unless my memory is failing me, we've had almost 200,000 hits since mid-September.

We're approaching 750,000 hits.

Keep spreading the word.

Everytime you turn around, someone is reporting this story like it's something new. Most of us RFDers have been saying this for the past year.

[longdong]

HI All,

Do you have any email from Honda America ? I 'm trying to make them pay me all the problems that I got from them and the Honda dealer (wire transfer fee, and exchange rate from Canadian dollars to US dollars and then exchange money back from US dollars to Canadian dollars, loan's interest, long distance phone etc ...)

I called them (Honda America) yesterday to voice my concern, they promised to investigate the matter (but I still want to send email too so I can have a proven letter). They still have my money, but they still don't want to sell the vehicle because of the Honda's america letter (they promised to send my money back, but they didn't even start to send money yet).

According from the dealer, they received the letter on October 9th from Honda America, they agreed to sell the vehicle September 28th. And I sent my money on October 2nd, they received the money on October 9th.
So they should sell me the vehicle but they donèt

[bcbud]

This is what I have learned through a fair amount of investigation. Take it with a grain of salt because it seems like various sources like to contradict each other, and in some cases, (eg., RIV) they don't seem to know what they are talking about (first post, btw)...

The deal with importing a MB starts with the riv.ca admissibility list. MB seems to refuse to provide modification information to RIV/Transport Canada. So, the admissibility list states that you must fax MB Canada with the year, model and VIN of the vehicle that you wish to import in order to get a "letter of admissibility". While this is provided at no cost by MB Canada, it is a hassle that no other manufacture seems to have. (Note that MB USA provides the recall clearance letter at no cost by faxing them your request). Once you have the specific vehicle that you are wanting to import (with VIN) you can request the letter of admissibility which, in theory, will be required at the border at the time of importation.

The next hurdle MB throws up is the modification requirements. This is what "they" expect you to do. Once you import the car (although with VIN you could probably do this in advance), you are to go to a Canadian MB dealer to inquire as to what modifications are required. Ah, but MB will take $750 of your money to tell you this information (one person I spoke to said that it was $250 to "research" the modification info and $500 for their regional manufacturer's rep to inspect the modifications (after they are completed presumably)). Anyways, after you cough up some money to the MB dealer and determine what needs to be done, you then have to get the actual work done by a MB dealer. Why you ask, well according to MB Canada, in order to get a "letter of compliance" (this is different than the label on the door of the car). After a fair amount of investigation with the provincial licensing agent, MB Canada, and RIV, I determined this letter is required in order to be sent the form 2 from RIV(required to get the federal inspection done). Also, it apparently is required to have the MB USA warranty valid in Canada.

Here is why this is all crap: (1) no other manufacturer seems to have this "letter of compliance", (2) the modifications will cost between $2000 and $6000, depending on year and model (according to MB Canada), (3) you can't find out the exact cost for your vehicle until you pay the $750 (or possibly $250, depending on who was telling me the truth) to a dealer to find out what modifications are needed, (4) the modifications must be done by a MB Canada dealer in order to receive the form 2 to complete the importation process (and to have a valid warranty in Canada).

In my case, I am wanting to import a 2005/06 SLK to Canada. I have been told that modifications are around $4000 (but this is nothing more than a guess as I haven't paid them money to "research" the modification requirements). Part of the modifications likely include replacing the entire instrumentation cluster. What makes this sickening is that according to the 2005 and 2006 SLK owner's manuals, the owner can easily switch the electronic odometer switch from miles to kilometers, cause a digital speedometer to be displayed in kilometers (in addtion to the analog display that doesn't change), and to turn on DRLs.

I have done this long, and hopefully useful, post in order to request some action on your part (if you are looking to import a MB). I spoke with a very helpful Transport Canada lady who suggested that I email roadsafetywebmail@tc.gc.ca (to the attention of Audit Inspection and Vehicle Importation) with a polite, concise detailing of how RIV should not require the "letter of admissibility" to provide the Form 2. If this was changed, then at least a person might be able to import a MB vehicle without being completely at the mercy of a MB dealership.

Thanks for listening... :D

Thank you and VERY informative information.

I am very surprised Toyota, Honda and all the other major dealers have not caught on this hurdle to suppress their American exports to Canada.

[CatchMoreFish]

I think someone was looking for directions to the U.S. Customs Building at the Ambassador Bridge. I think this is what they are looking for.


Directions to US Customs at the Ambassador Bridge
Head north on I-75N
Take the Ambassador Bridge exit
Turn right onto Lafayette Blvd. W (entrance to tolls)
Turn sharp right just before tolls and head towards 23rd Street
Continue on 23rd Street to West Fort Street
Turn left onto West Fort Street
Turn left onto 22nd Street
Continue on 22nd Street for about 400 ft
Turn right onto access road to US Customs
Turn left onto intersecting road (appears to lead back to toll booths)
Follow this road and park in lot in front of US Customs. Do NOT approach inspection booths as you will have gone too far and you will have to make another circle around the US Customs building. Do not park in the back of the building where there appears to be a large number of truck unloading docks.
Go inside with your new car's title (and supporting documentation if necessary) and await further instructions from USCBP officers.


Jawneo

Thank you very much for your input.

[WalterQ]

Anybody found one of these in US or know when available? They're out in Canada but don't seem to be in US.
Thks,
WQ

[bimmerfans]

Here's what the airbag stickers look like:


I've seen them in French on almost every American car I've looked at. My Subaru has French warning stickers everywhere. That's the way it came from the factory and where these pictures came from.

Thanks, Monsieurmaggot! I'm honored. :D The info is really helpful. I'm thinking about asking one of my friends to take some pictures on the stickers of his BMW bought locally in GTA.

[ymlccc]

questions for you guys who bought your subaru from Van Bortel Subaru (Karl)...

Great service and friendly guy! I know the price is great and he doesn't negotiate the price. But did he give you guys any free options or accessories? I am so close to finalize the deal with him... I also remember someone said they don't sell extended warranty to Canadian but surprisingly he said he can:confused:

thanks in advance!

Where did you guys stay? any hotel near their dealership? How you guys get it all done in one day?

[Kamloops]

From ICBC for importing new cars from USA -

This is a relatively new requirement and is set out, as follows, in the ICBC Vehicle Registration, Licence and Insurance Manual:


Registering a New Vehicle Purchased from a USA or Foreign Dealer

New Cars, Light Trucks and Vans Purchased from a USA or Foreign Dealer

To process an initial registration for a new car, light truck or van purchased from a USA or foreign dealer:

1. Ensure your client has:
a completed Certificate of Origin
an original dealer bill of sale
completed Vehicle Import Form (Form 1) with two stamps
any one of:
Casual Goods Accounting Document (B15)
Personal Effects Accounting Document (B4E) or
Canada Customs Coding Form (B3)
a passed Private Vehicle Inspection Report (MV3199)
Exception: A passenger carrying commercial vehicle (type 2) requires a CVIP inspection, not PVIP.

[kellan165]

o.k. I successfully imported an 08 Armada a few months ago and am now in the market for a second vehicle. I am interested in a 2007 or 08 Acura MDX. I know Acura won't honour the warranty, but does anyone know of any Acura dealers in the western U.S. that will sell brand new? I had a lead on two used 07 MDX's one in Spokane and the other in Tacoma with low mileage, but they were sold in 24 hours after listed, both to Canadians.

If anyone has any experience with Acura dealers they could recommend please pm me. Or if anyone has brought back a new Acura, let me know.

Thanks!

[Gromit]

I'm still confused as to why so many of you are having insurance problems. People keep talking about "temporary insurance" or special insurance, and I really think this is all the source of your problems.

Are you only keeping your new vehicle for only a couple of weeks? Of course not. So you want full normal insurance, not temporary.

All I did was call up the insurance company (Belair Direct in my case), say I've bought a new vehicle, I take possession October 27th or whatever, here's the VIN, please provide 1 years coverage starting that date.

Done. Finis.

[tico 1948]

I'm still confused as to why so many of you are having insurance problems. People keep talking about "temporary insurance" or special insurance, and I really think this is all the source of your problems.

Are you only keeping your new vehicle for only a couple of weeks? Of course not. So you want full normal insurance, not temporary.

All I did was call up the insurance company (Belair Direct in my case), say I've bought a new vehicle, I take possession October 27th or whatever, here's the VIN, please provide 1 years coverage starting that date.

Done. Finis.

Good Post! That should alleviate many problems.:)

[vim]

I'm still confused as to why so many of you are having insurance problems. People keep talking about "temporary insurance" or special insurance, and I really think this is all the source of your problems.

Are you only keeping your new vehicle for only a couple of weeks? Of course not. So you want full normal insurance, not temporary.

All I did was call up the insurance company (Belair Direct in my case), say I've bought a new vehicle, I take possession October 27th or whatever, here's the VIN, please provide 1 years coverage starting that date.

Done. Finis.

TD General insurance refused to give me insurance!
Belair Direct - I called in yesterday. They could not find VIN number in their database. Still at first I was told no problem, then when I was ready to give her my credit card - she talked to supervisor and told - no they cannot do that. That was my personal experience.

Congrats, that you have no problems!

[dlseeker]

I'm still confused as to why so many of you are having insurance problems. People keep talking about "temporary insurance" or special insurance, and I really think this is all the source of your problems.

Are you only keeping your new vehicle for only a couple of weeks? Of course not. So you want full normal insurance, not temporary.

All I did was call up the insurance company (Belair Direct in my case), say I've bought a new vehicle, I take possession October 27th or whatever, here's the VIN, please provide 1 years coverage starting that date.

Done. Finis.


I think the problem is that a faxed confirmation of coverage ( a binder ) has to be sent by the broker or insurance company to the US state DMV for them to issue a temporary trip permit.

At this point the purchase transaction may not be fully completed and the insurers bulk at issuing a written confirmation for a transaction in process.

I personaly went through similar problems a few months back with a division of TD Insurance but I was persistant and after some hassles they issued the binder.

My advise is talk to the insurer or broker before completing the transaction and ask them exactly what they will need. Get the individuals name and then deal with the same person. If the first person you deal with is clueless about the process ask to speak to someone who is familiar with it.

[jabelone]

Has anyone had any success from buying a new car from Oregon where Washington state dealers won't sell to Canadians?

We called as far south as Portland, OR. for a Honda and no luck.

Also, for the lazy, does anyone know the website that offers a service to do all the paper work for you? I think I seen it on CTV. I would like to pass this info on to a friend of mine.

Someone else posted this site earlier in the thread:
http://www.c-rich.ca/page/page/4131008.htm

[shopper-X]

I finally got my Tribeca today after it being shipped three weeks ago. SeaRail held it for a week in Saskatoon do to labour shortage.

I went to SGI and got a 24 hour plate for $20. Put it on the Tribeca and drove to CT for the useless inspection of 1.5 minutes. The inspector wrote some values down, turned the car on, and then off. That was it, what a joke.
I then went to SGI and got the plates. DONE!!!

If I were to do this all over again, I would have driven down and picked it up instead of having it shipped. It cost the same, but I would have had control.

Thanks Monsieurmaggot, Diigii, and all the other that helped me out.

[frankmp]

Will a vehicle be held up or denied entry if NOT on the list? Friend has bought an 08 GMC and plans to drive across next week. I warned him as GM is one of the few big manufactuers that still has'nt had their 08's updated on the list (as of today).........


Frank

[michelb]

Will a vehicle be held up or denied entry if NOT on the list? Friend has bought an 08 GMC and plans to drive across next week. I warned him as GM is one of the few big manufactuers that still has'nt had their 08's updated on the list (as of today).........


Frank

Absolutely. If I'm not mistaken, you have 45 days to import. If you can't import it, I suspect you're really screwed (from Canada Border Services Agency website (http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/E/pub/cp/bsf5048/bsf5048-eng.html )):

I cannot import my vehicle

If you arrive at a CBSA office and your vehicle does not meet the requirements of both the CBSA and Transport Canada, you must either export or destroy your vehicle under the CBSA's supervision. You are responsible for all the related costs. In addition, duties and GST will not be refunded.

Remember that it is your responsibility to meet all import requirements. Call the CBSA and Transport Canada (or the RIV) before you attempt to import your vehicle.


As a Canadian citizen, I'm not sure if you can re-import it into the US so I'm not really sure what options you have (other than destroying it ...)

-- update --

A while ago, someone had asked if you get the fees and GST back. Here it clearly states that you don't ...

[johnsa]

It has been mentioned here, before..is it at Detroit?

[jhardy]

Will a vehicle be held up or denied entry if NOT on the list? Friend has bought an 08 GMC and plans to drive across next week. I warned him as GM is one of the few big manufactuers that still has'nt had their 08's updated on the list (as of today).........


Frank

Is it a pickup? According to the riv list, virtually all p/us less than 15 yrs old (and older) are admissible, right?

[jhardy]

TD General insurance refused to give me insurance!
...
People have reported no trouble with Meloche, which is a part of TD, isn't it? Or do they use a different underwriter?

[Kocur]

HI All,

Do you have any email from Honda America ? I 'm trying to make them pay me all the problems that I got from them and the Honda dealer (wire transfer fee, and exchange rate from Canadian dollars to US dollars and then exchange money back from US dollars to Canadian dollars, loan's interest, long distance phone etc ...)

I called them (Honda America) yesterday to voice my concern, they promised to investigate the matter (but I still want to send email too so I can have a proven letter). They still have my money, but they still don't want to sell the vehicle because of the Honda's america letter (they promised to send my money back, but they didn't even start to send money yet).

According from the dealer, they received the letter on October 9th from Honda America, they agreed to sell the vehicle September 28th. And I sent my money on October 2nd, they received the money on October 9th.
So they should sell me the vehicle but they donèt

I was looking to buy a Honda also. Got a reply that US Honda dealers can't sell to Canadians anymore. Sorry to hear about you money problems.
There doesn't seem to be any email for Honda USA, but i found the address in case you'd like to send a letter:

American Honda Motor Co., Inc., Post Office Box 2206 - 700 Van Ness Ave., Torrance, California

[smpmush]

Will a vehicle be held up or denied entry if NOT on the list? Friend has bought an 08 GMC and plans to drive across next week. I warned him as GM is one of the few big manufactuers that still has'nt had their 08's updated on the list (as of today).........


Frank

There is no reason whatsoever that a 08 GMC doesn't meet Canadian requirements... None! There are no differences between a GMC built for the Canadian market and the US market! Other than DRL's and speedo. Which are both easily rectified.. Dealers bring late model US (used)market vehicals up here for resale EVERYDAY! If it's not on the list it is because GM doesn't want it on the list yet.. It GM's way of controling the market in there favour and protecting Canadian dealers.. He will have no warrenty for 6 months if he can get it over and will never be able to use roadside assistance.. These are just hurdles Gm puts in place to deter cross border shopping! I wish him luck and please let us know the outcome! I hope to bring a new GM product over myself in the near future..

[reddy54]

I am considering buying a new Camry through a friend who lives in NY state. It will be purchased in NH to avoid the sales taxes. He will prepare a typed invoice which will transfer the car to me.My question is this: when I arrive at the USA border the MCO will still be in his name. Will this be a problem? if so will USA customs accept a letter from him authorizing me to transport the car to Canada on his behalf and I will not advise them that I am the owner?

Also will the invoice we makeup be acceptable to provincial tax offices?

Thanks for any help in this matter.

[Fx45]

o.k. I successfully imported an 08 Armada a few months ago and am now in the market for a second vehicle. I am interested in a 2007 or 08 Acura MDX. I know Acura won't honour the warranty, but does anyone know of any Acura dealers in the western U.S. that will sell brand new? I had a lead on two used 07 MDX's one in Spokane and the other in Tacoma with low mileage, but they were sold in 24 hours after listed, both to Canadians.

If anyone has any experience with Acura dealers they could recommend please pm me. Or if anyone has brought back a new Acura, let me know.

Thanks!

Try Jerry Harris at Acura of Seattle. He called me back after I had purchased the FX saying that they could now sell me the MDX; however, it involves them selling it to their used car lot and then selling to us (or something like that), which means WA state tax will be required. If you think that could still work for you, I'd give him a try.

Fx

[toolman]

I think someone was looking for directions to the U.S. Customs Building at the Ambassador Bridge. I think this is what they are looking for.


Directions to US Customs at the Ambassador Bridge
Head north on I-75N
Take the Ambassador Bridge exit
Turn right onto Lafayette Blvd. W (entrance to tolls)
Turn sharp right just before tolls and head towards 23rd Street
Continue on 23rd Street to West Fort Street
Turn left onto West Fort Street
Turn left onto 22nd Street
Continue on 22nd Street for about 400 ft
Turn right onto access road to US Customs
Turn left onto intersecting road (appears to lead back to toll booths)
Follow this road and park in lot in front of US Customs. Do NOT approach inspection booths as you will have gone too far and you will have to make another circle around the US Customs building. Do not park in the back of the building where there appears to be a large number of truck unloading docks.
Go inside with your new car's title (and supporting documentation if necessary) and await further instructions from USCBP officers.


Jawneo

I was looking for this! Thank you! How long was your waiting time there?

Detroit
Name: Fort Street Cargo Facility
Phone: (313) 226-3139
Fax: (313) 226-5347
Operational Hours: Twenty Four (24) Hours A Day
Seven Days A Week (7)

[teep]

I'm still confused as to why so many of you are having insurance problems. People keep talking about "temporary insurance" or special insurance, and I really think this is all the source of your problems.
Are you only keeping your new vehicle for only a couple of weeks? Of course not. So you want full normal insurance, not temporary.
All I did was call up the insurance company (Belair Direct in my case), say I've bought a new vehicle, I take possession October 27th or whatever, here's the VIN, please provide 1 years coverage starting that date.
Done. Finis.

This wont work in BC I am afraid Grommit. With ICBC, you cant add an unregistered car to your existing car insurance. You have to get a temporary binder insurance to drive it in the US and to your home in Canada and then later to CT and registration (about 90 bucks for 10 days). You may well be smart to get temporary storage insurance while its on your drive waiting for RIV form2/inspection day (about 30 bucks), but its not compulsory if you are happy with the risk. Once you have the inspections done and stamped, you can get it registered and insured in the normal way.

Looks like things are more complicated/uncertain in Ontario judging from all the posts!

[commie]

Anyone successfully imported a BMW new or used into Toronto?

I am in the market for a 2007/08 335i....

What is the best strategy in getting one? I would in Delaware during the week, but stay in hotel, so don't have a US address...Would getting a P.O. Box work?

[teep]

A work colleague recently had to buy a new Subaru Outback after his previous was totalled by some eejut shooting out of a back lane without looking.

He got a brand new car for $8000 off MRSP from a local Canadian Subaru dealer. He haggled very hard, and its interesting they had that much wriggle room.

Although that is still not the $10.8k I saved by importing, it might have made me think twice.

Two thoughts:
(a) If this is the new policy Subaru of Canada I for one would welcome it!
(b) Think of the implication for the sort of profit they must be making on the car.

[jabelone]

Finally found a Honda dealer in Oregon yesterday who greed to sell us a 2008 for the MSRP but called this morning to say he was just told that he can not sell to Canadians (new cars). Another dealership manager in Port Angeles Washington said he gets 30 calls a day from Canadians, but can not sell them new cars either, unless you provide a US address and pay state taxes. When did Honda get permission to make laws about the importation and exportation of goods. I thought the governments did that.

I hope this lawsuit wins.

http://www.fftimes.com/Business/Automakers-facing-class-action-lawsuit/27-Sep-2007

[longdong]

A work colleague recently had to buy a new Subaru Outback after his previous was totalled by some eejut shooting out of a back lane without looking.

He got a brand new car for $8000 off MRSP from a local Canadian Subaru dealer. He haggled very hard, and its interesting they had that much wriggle room.

Although that is still not the $10.8k I saved by importing, it might have made me think twice.

Two thoughts:
(a) If this is the new policy Subaru of Canada I for one would welcome it!
(b) Think of the implication for the sort of profit they must be making on the car.


Can you clarify ? he can get 8k off the MRSP for a outback ? ... that's a good news for all of us. So Subaru is definitely going to the right way.

[frankmp]

There is no reason whatsoever that a 08 GMC doesn't meet Canadian requirements... None! ..

I know most if not all of GM's 2008 models are the same as the previous model year BUT NONE of the 2008's are currently on RIV's admissible list. ( many/ most of the OTHER manufacturer's are) So the question stands will Canadian customs hold it up or does my friend tell the nice customs officer "......look the 08 GM I have here is the same as last year's 07 model....trust me and let me thru".......

I called Transport Canada and the chap said no way. Until GM sends Transport Canada or RIV their letter advising the status on 08 vechiles they won't update the list and make the 2008's admissible.......likely a tactic from GM to hinder importation (my opinion).

Frank

ps: and yes Jhardy it is a pick-up. I showed my friend yesterday's updated list and it says current admissible GM vehicles are:

".........1992 TO 2007 All General
Motors/Saturn passenger car
models are admissible except
those listed in the inadmissible
column.........."

He thinks because it says "passenger cars" that trucks don't count and therefore because it's an 08 are OK and therefore admissible?:confused:

[SALTYDOG]

Hello everyone

I am new here and find this tread and many of your posts extremely useful. But I still need more help. it would be greatly appreciated. Here it goes:

I am planing to import an RX350 into Quebec (hopefully from NY) I have two sisters in US (one in NY and one in California) so I can buy the car originally in their names. Now:
1- does anyone know a Lexus dealer willing to deal?
2- to get the recall letter should I contact the manufacturer in US or Canada? what is the procedures and fees involve with that process?

[dreaderus]

hey still looking for nissan/mazda dealers selling and anyone with experience with nissan usa purchases that won't ignore me :)

Dreaderus

[hooky]

A work colleague recently had to buy a new Subaru Outback after his previous was totalled by some eejut shooting out of a back lane without looking.

He got a brand new car for $8000 off MRSP from a local Canadian Subaru dealer. He haggled very hard, and its interesting they had that much wriggle room.

Although that is still not the $10.8k I saved by importing, it might have made me think twice.

Two thoughts:
(a) If this is the new policy Subaru of Canada I for one would welcome it!
(b) Think of the implication for the sort of profit they must be making on the car.


Is this for a new 07 or 08 model and from which dealer? Thanks

[jingyu]

That is a good point and I am wondering if your friend can get the car without registered it first?

I am considering buying a new Camry through a friend who lives in NY state. It will be purchased in NH to avoid the sales taxes. He will prepare a typed invoice which will transfer the car to me.My question is this: when I arrive at the USA border the MCO will still be in his name. Will this be a problem? if so will USA customs accept a letter from him authorizing me to transport the car to Canada on his behalf and I will not advise them that I am the owner?

Also will the invoice we makeup be acceptable to provincial tax offices?

Thanks for any help in this matter.

[Sukh]

hey still looking for nissan/mazda dealers selling and anyone with experience with nissan usa purchases that won't ignore me :)

Dreaderus

i just had a 2008 Nissan Pathfinder brought over by these guys, really easy to deal with and very legitimate. A couple of things to note, nissan warranty will not work but they do get you a third party warranty which Nissan Canada & US will honour. Its actually better than Nissans. Also it take 10 business days from the time it enters Canada to get delivery.

Contact them @ carimporter@gmail.com

[reddy54]

http://ctv2.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070927.wh-buzz-0927/business/Business/Business/&id=RTGAM_20070927_wh-buzz-0927

Looks like the article is referring to all of us here at RFD ;)

Just bought a car from US, DRL has been enabled after Canadian dealership re-program it, but it seems difference. On my previous Canadian car, DRL will be automatically turned on after I started the car (still on parking gear), but on my new US car, DRL will be only turned on after I switch to D or R gear. I am not sure it can pass the safety in Canadian Tire or not. Can somebody provide some detail description on DRL? Thanks in advance!

That is a good point and I am wondering if your friend can get the car without registered it first?

I do not believe that NH has a recipricol agreement with NY

[eastsidesubaru]

hey still looking for nissan/mazda dealers selling and anyone with experience with nissan usa purchases that won't ignore me :)

Dreaderus

I don't know where you live but if you give me a PM with your name/phone# i will have a nissan sales rep contact you.. This guy is selling 12 cars a month to Canada. =) Thats assuming you are reasonable close to washington though..

[diigii]

i just had a 2008 Nissan Pathfinder brought over by these guys, really easy to deal with and very legitimate. A couple of things to note, nissan warranty will not work but they do get you a third party warranty which Nissan Canada & US will honour. Its actually better than Nissans. Also it take 10 business days from the time it enters Canada to get delivery.

Contact them @ carimporter@gmail.com

Oh wow! You got conned with the warranty from these guys. Your US car's warranty is honoured by Canadian dealerships. I should know because I took my 2007 Altima to a local dealership here in Toronto and they did warranty work at no charge.

Take a look at my posts# 4368, 4558 and 4606 when I did my own investigation.

[diigii]

I finally got my Tribeca today after it being shipped three weeks ago. SeaRail held it for a week in Saskatoon do to labour shortage.

I went to SGI and got a 24 hour plate for $20. Put it on the Tribeca and drove to CT for the useless inspection of 1.5 minutes. The inspector wrote some values down, turned the car on, and then off. That was it, what a joke.
I then went to SGI and got the plates. DONE!!!

If I were to do this all over again, I would have driven down and picked it up instead of having it shipped. It cost the same, but I would have had control.

Thanks Monsieurmaggot, Diigii, and all the other that helped me out.

You're welcome!!! Enjoy your new Tribeca. Is yours a 2007 or 2008? I like the quirky 2007 front fascia. It's unique.

[burlybeard]

ps: and yes Jhardy it is a pick-up. I showed my friend yesterday's updated list and it says current admissible GM vehicles are:

".........1992 TO 2007 All General
Motors/Saturn passenger car
models are admissible except
those listed in the inadmissible
column.........."

He thinks because it says "passenger cars" that trucks don't count and therefore because it's an 08 are OK and therefore admissible?:confused:[/QUOTE]

Hi,

I have the same question because I am looking for an 07/08 pickup as well.

Section 2 of the List of Vehicles Admissable also says:

Pick-up trucks, trucks, car
dollies, trailers (including air
braked trailers, portable air
compressors, log splitters &
wood chippers, etc.), LESS
THAN FIFTEEN YEARS OLD.

All are admissible, See
EXPLANATIONS on cover page.


So i am not sure exactly if all pickups (less than 15 years old) are admissable or if you need to follow the detailed info in Section 3 ???

I am also interested in an 08 GM truck, which state did your friend find the dealer? Dealers I've contacted in MT & ID won't sell to Canadians unless they have a US address to register the vehicle.

[eastsidesubaru]

If I had more time I could probably make good money brokering these brands that won't sell to canadians.. dunno how legal that is though.. think i'd have to register with the state somehow.. blah. I'll just concentrate on my subarus ;)

[diigii]

If I had more time I could probably make good money brokering these brands that won't sell to canadians.. dunno how legal that is though.. think i'd have to register with the state somehow.. blah. I'll just concentrate on my subarus ;)

hahaha!!! Good one! :cheesygri

[shopper-X]

You're welcome!!! Enjoy your new Tribeca. Is yours a 2007 or 2008? I like the quirky 2007 front fascia. It's unique.

We liked the front fascia of the 2007 too and so yes, we did get the 2007.
The front of the 2008 looks too generic.

[diigii]

We liked the front fascia of the 2007 too and so yes, we did get the 2007.
The front of the 2008 looks too generic.

Generic, that's because it looks exactly like the Chrysler Pacifica! bwahahaha!!! A lot of Subaru forums dubbed it Subaru Pacifica. I'm glad you liked the 2007. Subaru paid homage to their aircraft heritage. Sadly, not a lot of people appreciated the "I'm-different-from-all-of-you" look.

[J233]

I know most if not all of GM's 2008 models are the same as the previous model year BUT NONE of the 2008's are currently on RIV's admissible list. ( many/ most of the OTHER manufacturer's are) So the question stands will Canadian customs hold it up or does my friend tell the nice customs officer "......look the 08 GM I have here is the same as last year's 07 model....trust me and let me thru".......

I called Transport Canada and the chap said no way. Until GM sends Transport Canada or RIV their letter advising the status on 08 vechiles they won't update the list and make the 2008's admissible.......likely a tactic from GM to hinder importation (my opinion).

Frank

ps: and yes Jhardy it is a pick-up. I showed my friend yesterday's updated list and it says current admissible GM vehicles are:

".........1992 TO 2007 All General
Motors/Saturn passenger car
models are admissible except
those listed in the inadmissible
column.........."

He thinks because it says "passenger cars" that trucks don't count and therefore because it's an 08 are OK and therefore admissible?:confused:

Correct. I am in the same situation, have been waiting for two months and checking the RIV list for 2008 GM update everyday. I also called RIV a few weeks ago (when they still answered their phones - not a case lately) and was advised not to follow section 5.3 only (MPVs, trucks, SUVs, etc) but look for updates on the passenger list. Obviously, GM is trying to delay releasing the list and nobody knows how long this is going to go for (Ford and Chrysler, for example, all sections have been updated for 2008 models).
In addition to the above, GM will not release a Recall Clearance Letter for any 2008 model. I called the number from the RIV list, it is a Vintage department of GM that deals with these matters, but was told that they can't do anything for 2008 models yet. They were hoping to get the list by end of September but it has not happened yet. I was advised to call every week to check with them.
Now, another surprise. RIV updated their site yesterday with a message that says that for 2008 models not listed on the admisibility list one should contact respective manufacturer directly for details.......

[jawneo]

I was looking for this! Thank you! How long was your waiting time there?

Detroit
Name: Fort Street Cargo Facility
Phone: (313) 226-3139
Fax: (313) 226-5347
Operational Hours: Twenty Four (24) Hours A Day
Seven Days A Week (7)

Hi Toolman

I'll let you know my wait time after I go through there next week. I picked it up off a website (www.acccc.net/Owning.htm). I'm heading down south of Chicago to pick up a 2007 Altima 2.5S with Covenience Plus Pkg with 11000 miles on it. Although someone else has posted they have been sucessful getting warranty work done on a new Nissan up here, I am not taking any chances. The Nissan I'm getting has been owned for longer than 6 months by the original owner. As per the 2007 Nissan Warranty booklet I am good to go.

Anyone thinking of trying to get any reliable information out of Nissan Customer Relations 1-800 number forget it. They are useless and I received three different answers for the exact same question. Use the info on this board and do your homework. I figure I'm only saving 4-5 grand on this deal but I'm using this as good experience for my next venture when I look for an Acadia or MDX.

Based on my experience here I would not hesitate to go and get a car pretty much anywheres in the States within a days drive of Buffalo/Detroit. Southwest Air flies out of Buffalo and you can get a one way flight for cheaper than the cost of driving pretty much.

This is a great board. Good luck all.

Jawneo

[jwstewart]

Great thread. I have been considering a US car purchase for some time, and have been monitoring prices for a while.

Since the mfr's are tightening rules for US dealers, I have been refused service for the first choices of brands/models, and I am considering the following strategy...

A US address.

I am leaning toward a summer home in North Dakota, as it appears the local DMV will allow the vehicle to be titled in the state without paying state tax as long as it is being exported.

I found one on craigslist, a sublet for six weeks, the current tenant is leaving and would prefer not to pay the last 1-2 months rent. (you can find them all over the US on craigslist)

Has anyone used a temporary sublet for this purpose ?

Since the rent would be fairly expensive, (almost $500/mo) I wonder if some sort of time-share or room-mate arrangement could be undertaken with other interested party's ?

I figure this approach might allow unlimited shopping at the closest possible dealerships, but I would appreciate any feedback.

(I've ruled out Honda because their Formula 1 team SUCKS!)

[jrva2000]

Hello all -
Thank you to those Canadian consumers who are looking out for Canada first and buying their cars in the USA. Its actually UnCanadian to buy a car in Canada. Please continue to purchase in the USA and use the difference to pay down your mortgage/other debt/purchase Canadian stocks etc. --lets look after ourselves first--we know virtually all car companies (sans Subaru) are looking after their interests first, we cannot expect any less.

M.Maggot deserves a medal.

Have been watching this thread for months now -- got ripped off buying my 2006 Sienna in Canada 18 months ago. Never again a Toyota.
Was sent a questionnaire from Toyota re: my satisfaction. Filled it out, explicitly stated I would never buy a Toyota again due to disparity with USA price; no reply of course.

Be mindful of the auto companies' overall business strategy: ripoff Canadians in Canada and use those proceeds to fight for market share through discounts in the USA.
Good luck to all....

[drayog]

Amen Brother. I agree with you 100% Look after your family first

[teep]

You're welcome!!! Enjoy your new Tribeca. Is yours a 2007 or 2008? I like the quirky 2007 front fascia. It's unique.

You might wanna know that in Socal the 2007 Tribeca front end is known as the "flying vxxxxa" - thats why they changed it for 08.

[teep]

If I had more time I could probably make good money brokering these brands that won't sell to canadians.. dunno how legal that is though.. think i'd have to register with the state somehow.. blah. I'll just concentrate on my subarus ;)

Smart move Zach!

[teep]

Can you clarify ? he can get 8k off the MRSP for a outback ? ... that's a good news for all of us. So Subaru is definitely going t the right way.

Sorry longdong and others, this is from a work colleague and this is what he told me - I havent checked it out any further. Next week I will ask him if minds being emailed about it via you contacting me on a PM, so any further details will have to wait till then.

Phew - two pages of posts since this morning - how do you keep up MonsieurMagot?

[teep]

Just bought a car from US, DRL has been enabled after Canadian dealership re-program it, but it seems difference. On my previous Canadian car, DRL will be automatically turned on after I started the car (still on parking gear), but on my new US car, DRL will be only turned on after I switch to D or R gear. I am not sure it can pass the safety in Canadian Tire or not. Can somebody provide some detail description on DRL? Thanks in advance!

No problem lins - our new Subaru does just that and it passed the inspection easily.

[CheapScotsman]

Great thread. I have been considering a US car purchase for some time, and have been monitoring prices for a while.

Since the mfr's are tightening rules for US dealers, I have been refused service for the first choices of brands/models, and I am considering the following strategy...

A US address.

I am leaning toward a summer home in North Dakota, as it appears the local DMV will allow the vehicle to be titled in the state without paying state tax as long as it is being exported.

I found one on craigslist, a sublet for six weeks, the current tenant is leaving and would prefer not to pay the last 1-2 months rent. (you can find them all over the US on craigslist)

Has anyone used a temporary sublet for this purpose ?

Since the rent would be fairly expensive, (almost $500/mo) I wonder if some sort of time-share or room-mate arrangement could be undertaken with other interested party's ?

I figure this approach might allow unlimited shopping at the closest possible dealerships, but I would appreciate any feedback.

(I've ruled out Honda because their Formula 1 team SUCKS!)Why don't you just get a (non PO Box) mailing address in the States? You can usually find these in the border towns.

[dealcatcher]

how long do we have to wait for Form 2 after form 1 and recall letters being sent to RIV?

[VladK]

This is what I have learned through a fair amount of investigation. Take it with a grain of salt because it seems like various sources like to contradict each other, and in some cases, (eg., RIV) they don't seem to know what they are talking about (first post, btw)...

The deal with importing a MB starts with the riv.ca admissibility list. MB seems to refuse to provide modification information to RIV/Transport Canada. So, the admissibility list states that you must fax MB Canada with the year, model and VIN of the vehicle that you wish to import in order to get a "letter of admissibility". While this is provided at no cost by MB Canada, it is a hassle that no other manufacture seems to have. (Note that MB USA provides the recall clearance letter at no cost by faxing them your request). Once you have the specific vehicle that you are wanting to import (with VIN) you can request the letter of admissibility which, in theory, will be required at the border at the time of importation.

The next hurdle MB throws up is the modification requirements. This is what "they" expect you to do. Once you import the car (although with VIN you could probably do this in advance), you are to go to a Canadian MB dealer to inquire as to what modifications are required. Ah, but MB will take $750 of your money to tell you this information (one person I spoke to said that it was $250 to "research" the modification info and $500 for their regional manufacturer's rep to inspect the modifications (after they are completed presumably)). Anyways, after you cough up some money to the MB dealer and determine what needs to be done, you then have to get the actual work done by a MB dealer. Why you ask, well according to MB Canada, in order to get a "letter of compliance" (this is different than the label on the door of the car). After a fair amount of investigation with the provincial licensing agent, MB Canada, and RIV, I determined this letter is required in order to be sent the form 2 from RIV(required to get the federal inspection done). Also, it apparently is required to have the MB USA warranty valid in Canada.

Here is why this is all crap: (1) no other manufacturer seems to have this "letter of compliance", (2) the modifications will cost between $2000 and $6000, depending on year and model (according to MB Canada), (3) you can't find out the exact cost for your vehicle until you pay the $750 (or possibly $250, depending on who was telling me the truth) to a dealer to find out what modifications are needed, (4) the modifications must be done by a MB Canada dealer in order to receive the form 2 to complete the importation process (and to have a valid warranty in Canada).

In my case, I am wanting to import a 2005/06 SLK to Canada. I have been told that modifications are around $4000 (but this is nothing more than a guess as I haven't paid them money to "research" the modification requirements). Part of the modifications likely include replacing the entire instrumentation cluster. What makes this sickening is that according to the 2005 and 2006 SLK owner's manuals, the owner can easily switch the electronic odometer switch from miles to kilometers, cause a digital speedometer to be displayed in kilometers (in addtion to the analog display that doesn't change), and to turn on DRLs.

I have done this long, and hopefully useful, post in order to request some action on your part (if you are looking to import a MB). I spoke with a very helpful Transport Canada lady who suggested that I email roadsafetywebmail@tc.gc.ca (to the attention of Audit Inspection and Vehicle Importation) with a polite, concise detailing of how RIV should not require the "letter of admissibility" to provide the Form 2. If this was changed, then at least a person might be able to import a MB vehicle without being completely at the mercy of a MB dealership.

Thanks for listening... :D

I called 3 Mercedes dealerships , 1 of them said they will look into it without the fee. Other 2 were asking for 250. When i called, i told them that i already bought the car and gave them vin# for a car that i want(or same model). Should get back to me on Monday (Oct 15) with hopefully full estimate.

The car that we have found even when added $5,000 for modifications we would end up saving about $15,000. Car that costs 47 -50 USD in the states and here 65-70. E350 4Matic is what we are looking at.

As of now there is a couple of cars we are looking at and might make a decision any day now and hopefully pick it up Friday coming up.

[jhardy]

Correct. I am in the same situation, have been waiting for two months and checking the RIV list for 2008 GM update everyday. I also called RIV a few weeks ago (when they still answered their phones - not a case lately) and was advised not to follow section 5.3 only (MPVs, trucks, SUVs, etc) but look for updates on the passenger list. Obviously, GM is trying to delay releasing the list and nobody knows how long this is going to go for (Ford and Chrysler, for example, all sections have been updated for 2008 models).
.....
Their list says 5.3 does not apply to pickups. Section 2 does. Did they say to refer to the passenger car list in that case too?

[Dorf]

I called 3 Mercedes dealerships , 1 of them said they will look into it without the fee. Other 2 were asking for 250. When i called, i told them that i already bought the car and gave them vin# for a car that i want(or same model). Should get back to me on Monday (Oct 15) with hopefully full estimate.

The car that we have found even when added $5,000 for modifications we would end up saving about $15,000. Car that costs 47 -50 USD in the states and here 65-70. E350 4Matic is what we are looking at.

As of now there is a couple of cars we are looking at and might make a decision any day now and hopefully pick it up Friday coming up.

It would be great if you could let us know which dealership will provide the modification info without the fee. I would like to know what I would be getting myself into. :cheesygri

[frankmp]

Their list says 5.3 does not apply to pickups. Section 2 does. Did they say to refer to the passenger car list in that case too?

I just can't figure out the logic about pick-ups vs. cars. If this is truely the case what makes pick-ups admissible regardless??? You apparently can't import a "car" if it's not on the admissible list (say an 08 Vette). I KNOW many of the cars are identical to the 07 models ( Ok maybe not the Vette....might be because the new LS3 makes its inadmissible because it has too much power. But then again we have Z06's zooming around with 505HP. Can you tell I'm waiting for the 08 Vette to become admissable:razz:



Frank

[smpmush]

I just can't figure out the logic about pick-ups vs. cars. If this is truely the case what makes pick-ups admissible regardless??? You apparently can't import a "car" if it's not on the admissible list (say an 08 Vette). I KNOW many of the cars are identical to the 07 models ( Ok maybe not the Vette....might be because the new LS3 makes its inadmissible because it has too much power. But then again we have Z06's zooming around with 505HP. Can you tell I'm waiting for the 08 Vette to become admissable:razz:



Frank

I believe that the bumper is different between a vette built for the US and one for Canada.. something to do with crash testing ...Stew Low of GM said this in an interview on TV a few weeks ago...

[Symcrapico]

how long do we have to wait for Form 2 after form 1 and recall letters being sent to RIV?

My Form 1 was sent by the canadian import office at the border this wednesday, thursday at noon I sent my recall letter to RIV and called them at 6pm the same day to ask if they had received everything and gave them my email. The RIV lady told me that I would receive Form 2 by the end of that day, but I didnt since they didnt spell my email correctly. Called them Friday at 6pm and the guy sent me live on phone Form 2 to my correct email address. I received it right away. So, short answer: You gonna wait 1 day of you call them and give them your email.

On a side note, I just cant beleive they mispelled my email since its my full name, the same that it is on Form 1, suffixe with @gmail.com!

Anyway got Form 2, went to crappy tire (Le Corbusier, Laval) at 7pm at the clerck didnt even know if they were doing the Fed Inspection on night shift...They didnt!

[tico 1948]

You might wanna know that in Socal the 2007 Tribeca front end is known as the "flying vxxxxa" - thats why they changed it for 08.

Yup, heard that one too. Let's face it, beauty truly is in the eye of the beholder. Both styles will have their supporters and detractors. Personally, I find things to like in both.

[reddy54]

Why don't you just get a (non PO Box) mailing address in the States? You can usually find these in the border towns.

This may not work. When you use a Mail Boxes Etc address the USPS will only deliver to that address if you use the letters PMB (personal mail box) before the box number. I am assuming you setup this address to have something mailed there such as a bank statement oe a cell phone bill in order to prove residency. In reality in these small border towns they may not enforce this rule 100%. Best to ask the MB Etc outlet owner the scoop.

[reddy54]

Why don't you just get a (non PO Box) mailing address in the States? You can usually find these in the border towns.


This may not work. When you use a Mail Boxes Etc address the USPS will only deliver to that address if you use the letters PMB (personal mail box) before the box number. I am assuming you setup this address to have something mailed there such as a bank statement oe a cell phone bill in order to prove residency. In reality in these small border towns they may not enforce this rule 100%. Best to ask the MB Etc outlet owner the scoop.

[reddy54]

I am considering buying a new Camry through a friend who lives in NY state. It will be purchased in NH to avoid the sales taxes. He will prepare a typed invoice which will transfer the car to me.
Here is what I am unsure of

1) when I arrive at the USA border the MCO will still be in his name. Will this be a problem? if so will USA customs accept a letter from him authorizing me to transport the car to Canada on his behalf and I will not advise them that I am the owner?

2)Will he have to get insurance in his name during transit in USA. The car will presumeably be registered to him in NH upon issue of the transit permit and I question if the bill of sale we draw up has legal effect if car is accidented in USA and he is sued.

3)will the invoice we makeup be acceptable to provincial tax offices?

Thanks for any help in this matter.

[dealcatcher]

My Form 1 was sent by the canadian import office at the border this wednesday, thursday at noon I sent my recall letter to RIV and called them at 6pm the same day to ask if they had received everything and gave them my email. The RIV lady told me that I would receive Form 2 by the end of that day, but I didnt since they didnt spell my email correctly. Called them Friday at 6pm and the guy sent me live on phone Form 2 to my correct email address. I received it right away. So, short answer: You gonna wait 1 day of you call them and give them your email.

On a side note, I just cant beleive they mispelled my email since its my full name, the same that it is on Form 1, suffixe with @gmail.com!

Anyway got Form 2, went to crappy tire (Le Corbusier, Laval) at 7pm at the clerck didnt even know if they were doing the Fed Inspection on night shift...They didnt!

this is crazy.. i sent the fax and via email on wednesday and never receive anything as of today!

which riv email did you sent to? info@riv.ca ? or recall@riv.ca?

which number did you call to confirm your email address?

[CheapScotsman]

This may not work. When you use a Mail Boxes Etc address the USPS will only deliver to that address if you use the letters PMB (personal mail box) before the box number. I am assuming you setup this address to have something mailed there such as a bank statement oe a cell phone bill in order to prove residency. In reality in these small border towns they may not enforce this rule 100%. Best to ask the MB Etc outlet owner the scoop.I use a mailbox company in Blaine Washington. My mailing address is

Mr. CheapScotsman
123 JJJJJJJJJ Street
Blaine, WA,
99999

Nobody looking at that address knows that it is a mail company. I am sure you can find others elsewhere.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Sorry longdong and others, this is from a work colleague and this is what he told me - I havent checked it out any further. Next week I will ask him if minds being emailed about it via you contacting me on a PM, so any further details will have to wait till then.

Phew - two pages of posts since this morning - how do you keep up MonsieurMagot?

I surprise myself really. Every time I read that someone even CONSIDERED buying a car in the US I chuckle to myself. It seems there's a story about the pricing difference every day in the press now.

I bore all my family, friends and co-workers with "buy cars in the US" discussions. Some still are suspicious and expect "Revenue Canada" to come knocking or that the cars we're buying in the US are somehow "factory seconds". Oh well.

I typically get about 20 - 50 emails a day from people asking for information or specific details. I usually have them PM other RFDers if they're looking at a certain model or are importing from a specific region. To be honest, I haven't received any real hate mail in awhile since most of those who were writing the notes know they have no legs to stand on. They're a bunch of morons anyway. Most don't understand about free trade and the Internet.

Most manufacturers still insist on gouging Canadian consumers. With the Canadian dollar now at 1.02+ this isn't going away.

According to Warren Buffett, thanks in part to our "resource commodity" economy, the Canadian dollar is expected to stay above the US peso for a few years.

I will say publicly that I appreciate the fact that Subaru Canada isn't trying to stop cross-border sales (yet).

I understand that a few more manufacturers are going to be named in the class action lawsuit.

[sheriffabc]

I have been pricing Subaru Legacy and have noticed that those closer to our border are taking advantage of Canadians buying from them. We find them cheap - as compared to Canadian dealers, however, drive 200 miles south and save another $1000+.

I have just booked mine from a dealer (for $1200 cheaper) and once all is done and car here will provide details of dealer - a large dealer with excellent service and no haggle - to those who pm me. I mentioned his quote to closer dealers and they wouldnt match it!

My advice is please shop - just because a dealer is willing to sell to Canadians is no reason to pay more. Be a true RFDer and get the best price!

[jwstewart]

I use a mailbox company in Blaine Washington. My mailing address is

Mr. CheapScotsman
123 JJJJJJJJJ Street
Blaine, WA,
99999

Nobody looking at that address knows that it is a mail company. I am sure you can find others elsewhere.

Thanks, this idea may be less work, I will check the local border town(s).

I assume the mail company you use is small local business ?

And more to the point, has this approach worked for an auto purchase ?

Thanks
JS

[jwstewart]

I was at a Canadian mitsu dealer today and he claimed Toyota and others will further restrict warranty for US vehicles with the 08 models. Has anyone heard this ? Or, was he blowing hot air to justify the price difference ?

[toolman]

I think someone was looking for directions to the U.S. Customs Building at the Ambassador Bridge. I think this is what they are looking for.


Directions to US Customs at the Ambassador Bridge
Head north on I-75N
Take the Ambassador Bridge exit
Turn right onto Lafayette Blvd. W (entrance to tolls)
Turn sharp right just before tolls and head towards 23rd Street
Continue on 23rd Street to West Fort Street
Turn left onto West Fort Street
Turn left onto 22nd Street
Continue on 22nd Street for about 400 ft
Turn right onto access road to US Customs
Turn left onto intersecting road (appears to lead back to toll booths)
Follow this road and park in lot in front of US Customs. Do NOT approach inspection booths as you will have gone too far and you will have to make another circle around the US Customs building. Do not park in the back of the building where there appears to be a large number of truck unloading docks.
Go inside with your new car's title (and supporting documentation if necessary) and await further instructions from USCBP officers.


Jawneo

I don't think this parking lot is there anymore.. http://maps.live.com/# Shows it as a construction site. I wish I knew how old that picture is. Looks like there more changes on the way: http://www.ambassadorbridge.com/ads/bridge.html

Has anybody exported at Detroit Lately?

Name: Fort Street Cargo Facility
Phone: (313) 226-3139
Fax: (313) 226-5347
Operational Hours: Twenty Four (24) Hours A Day
Seven Days A Week (7)

[VladK]

It would be great if you could let us know which dealership will provide the modification info without the fee. I would like to know what I would be getting myself into. :cheesygri

We put a deposit on a E350. Sales person actually told us that somebody else exported one not too long ago to Canda and they did not have to do any modifications. There is a way to have speed to show in KM/h and daylight savings can be also turned on. The only thing is the bumper, which might have to be changed.

I'm not going to mention the dealership now until they actually gets back to me with information.

Taking greyhound bus to NY (car is in NJ) on Friday and taking it back here. Still a lot of paperwork between now and then though.

[reddy54]

Quote:
Originally Posted by techboss View Post
Talked to a dealership who is willing to sell me the Sienna 2008, but they will not sell it new. They will have to wait for 4-6 weeks before Toyota will send you the title, and the dealer will sell the car to me as a 2nd owner. Does this sound normal?

Do you need the title to actually cross the border? I thought the MCO/MSO papers are good enough?
You don't need the title for brand new cars (unregistered), but I think you do need one for old cars (registered before).

Toyota just prohibits the U.S. dealers from selling new cars to Canadian. I believe that's why the dealer wants to sell you as 2nd owner so they don't get punished by Toyota.


What is the difference between "title" and "MCO"?

[VladK]

when i see something like:
"Title Information: Title Issuing State: _____________" or " Export Vehicle Not Requiring Title'

what is "Title" referring to?


Also temporary permit. Do we have to get that here in Ontario or where the car is?

[CatchMoreFish]

As I mentioned earlier, I bought a car in US. The dealer had me signed all documents. One of them is the title paper.

The sales explained to me that the car is a trade-in. They must have their bureau issue them the title first. Then, I bring the car back to Canada. The bureau here will issue me the title. Is it the way how it works? I don't know why the car title is not issued to me.

Can anyone explain this? Thanks.

[49ers]

I use a mailbox company in Blaine Washington. My mailing address is

Mr. CheapScotsman
123 JJJJJJJJJ Street
Blaine, WA,
99999

Nobody looking at that address knows that it is a mail company. I am sure you can find others elsewhere.

Which mailbox company?

[49ers]

Quote:
Originally Posted by techboss View Post
Talked to a dealership who is willing to sell me the Sienna 2008, but they will not sell it new. They will have to wait for 4-6 weeks before Toyota will send you the title, and the dealer will sell the car to me as a 2nd owner. Does this sound normal?

Do you need the title to actually cross the border? I thought the MCO/MSO papers are good enough?



What is the difference between "title" and "MCO"?

What is the difference between MSO and COO?

[frankmp]

What is the difference between "title" and "MCO"?

The MSO is what the manufacutuer provides or the birth certificate of a new vehicle. It's given to the first buyer of a new vehicle (manufacturer statement of origin). When the car is first bought new the MSO is given to the buyer or directly to the buyers licensing authourity and a title is then created. Title indicates who has ownership and "interest" in the car. When you buy used you get the title which can have multiple indications of buying and selling of the vehcile.....the MSO is like our NVIS here (at least in Alberta). One of the documents you need to import is the title (which US customs uses during the 72 hour window to assure that vehicle title does not have an parties with an "interest" in the vehicle). IF you buy new, the dealership normally gives you the MSO. I know either the TITLE OR the MSO is acceptable! That's my understanding betwwen the two documents...........



Frank

[frankmp]

I believe that the bumper is different between a vette built for the US and one for Canada.. something to do with crash testing ...Stew Low of GM said this in an interview on TV a few weeks ago...

You're right a C6 vette from the US requires the addition of front and rear bumper extensions (extensions of the steel bumper UNDER the plastic fascia) AND replacement of the front and rear styrofoam impact cushions also located under the plastic fascia. Canada has more stringent crash rating (8km/hr vs. 2.5 mph...something like that) No big deal. Parts from a Canadian dealer at retail price ~$850 but if you buy parts from a US dealer it's ~$380....go figure! Labour varies but expect about $400............. NO other mod's required........

Frank

[jnmontario]

Ok, I've been lurking long enough without finding an answer. I'm looking to get a Toyota Prius and I've emailed toyota HQ as well as all of the toyota dealers nearby and - shock shock - they won't reply to my pleasant email about the disparity in CDN/US prices and price-match the US dealers (there's a $13,000 difference).

I live in Ottawa, and as far as I can tell all of the dealers near the CDN/US border in upper state NY aren't selling to Canadians (especially Toyota). Has anybody had any luck recently? If so where? For the $13,000 difference I'm willing to hit as far south as southern NY or even northern Pennsylvania.

Thanks in advance.

[J233]

Their list says 5.3 does not apply to pickups. Section 2 does. Did they say to refer to the passenger car list in that case too?

Frankly, I don't remember. I was asking about an SUV so all 2008 pickups may be OK. However, I would double and triple check anyway if there is no corresponding entry for 2008 models on the passenger car list for the manufacturer of your pickup. Another good indication would be asking OEM directly for the Recall Clearance Letter. If they refuse you know you have a potential problem.

[diigii]

You might wanna know that in Socal the 2007 Tribeca front end is known as the "flying vxxxxa" - thats why they changed it for 08.

Indeed, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Subaru tried to tie its aviation past with the 2006-2007 B9 Tribeca by incorporating a fuselage shape grille. They suffered the same fate as the unlamented Ford Edsel.

[Raikkonen]

Toyota buyers.....
Let's get 3,4,5 of us together, make our collective deal....
and pack the party mobile for a little roadtrip!!!!!

;)

[diigii]

Toyota buyers.....
Let's get 3,4,5 of us together, make our collective deal....
and pack the party mobile for a little roadtrip!!!!!

;)

If you actually do visit a US Toyota dealer, I think they won't be able to resist all 5 of you! Assuming an average of $25,000 per car, US$125K will make them flinch and sell to you! Money talks in business! Do it! :cheesygri

[toolman]

Ok, I've been lurking long enough without finding an answer. I'm looking to get a Toyota Prius and I've emailed toyota HQ as well as all of the toyota dealers nearby and - shock shock - they won't reply to my pleasant email about the disparity in CDN/US prices and price-match the US dealers (there's a $13,000 difference).

I live in Ottawa, and as far as I can tell all of the dealers near the CDN/US border in upper state NY aren't selling to Canadians (especially Toyota). Has anybody had any luck recently? If so where? For the $13,000 difference I'm willing to hit as far south as southern NY or even northern Pennsylvania.

Thanks in advance.

I phoned riv.ca and they said that the 2008 Toyota/Lexus are not importable yet and they would not give me a date when will be or how I would resolve the problem. My Sienna is a Van/Truck which fits into category 5 so I can import it. But all other passenger vehicles are not importable for Toyota/Lexus (and many other brands).

[5136440]

For the last few weeks, I noticed a few US dealers advertised on Toronto Star. Today at least three shown on the paper as far as Jacksonville Florida. Funny thing is one of Scarborough Chrysler dealer titled their ads as: Canadian cars discounted to American pricing. Not sure about that.:lol:

[VladK]

I phoned riv.ca and they said that the 2008 Toyota/Lexus are not importable yet and they would not give me a date when will be or how I would resolve the problem. My Sienna is a Van/Truck which fits into category 5 so I can import it. But all other passenger vehicles are not importable for Toyota/Lexus (and many other brands).

I know that you can't import a Mercedes unless it has been at least a year since it was first purchased. Might be the same for Lexus.

[jnmontario]

I phoned riv.ca and they said that the 2008 Toyota/Lexus are not importable yet and they would not give me a date when will be or how I would resolve the problem. My Sienna is a Van/Truck which fits into category 5 so I can import it. But all other passenger vehicles are not importable for Toyota/Lexus (and many other brands).

*grinding teeth in anger* Willing to speculate that the car lobby is pushing against RIV?

[yyz2hkg]

I know that you can't import a Mercedes unless it has been at least a year since it was first purchased. Might be the same for Lexus.

Can you elaborate on that? Do you have anything to back that statement up for MB?

[frankmp]

I phoned riv.ca and they said that the 2008 Toyota/Lexus are not importable yet and they would not give me a date when will be or how I would resolve the problem. My Sienna is a Van/Truck which fits into category 5 so I can import it. But all other passenger vehicles are not importable for Toyota/Lexus (and many other brands).

Yup, page 10 as of today indicates that:

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/VAFUS.pdf

Just like GM, they are likely delaying to reduce 08 importation. I gave up asking RIV because all they say is that the list will be updated whenever they get the letter from the manufacturer,,,,,,,,,,

Frank

[49ers]

Is BMW 2008 X5 eligible for import?

[deaddial]

I try to import a new Toyota from a Toyota dealer in the US. I read that I can call Toyota US to get the recall clearance letter. But wouldn't this expose the dealer. I thought Toyota threatens dealers not to sell cars for export to Canada.

Anybody called Toyota US for the letter before? What is the outcome?

[deaddial]

I plan to drive a car from a new car dealer thru a number of states to Ontario. Someone mentioned that I need to get a temporary permit for each state I pass thru. Somewhere else it says the temp permit from a new car dealership is good for all states.

Anyone knows which is correct?

[giaotze]

Toyota buyers.....
Let's get 3,4,5 of us together, make our collective deal....
and pack the party mobile for a little roadtrip!!!!!

;)

I am so innnnn
I want to buy the new sienna by the end of the year...who can really do this together... will be fun and save money! :D:) :) :)

[WantaCar]

Toyota buyers.....
Let's get 3,4,5 of us together, make our collective deal....
and pack the party mobile for a little roadtrip!!!!!

;)

I don't know if they will sell to Canadians. However, if you get enough people together, you may want to try Enterprise Rent a Car Vehicle Acquisition Service. They say they can provide better prices for small fleet purchases.

http://www.enterprise.com/

[J233]

I phoned riv.ca and they said that the 2008 Toyota/Lexus are not importable yet and they would not give me a date when will be or how I would resolve the problem. My Sienna is a Van/Truck which fits into category 5 so I can import it. But all other passenger vehicles are not importable for Toyota/Lexus (and many other brands).

Did they tell you that a 2008 Sienna is admissible for sure ? Also, what time of day did you call RIV ? I've been trying their number with no luck for the last 10 days or so, keeps bouncing back to the recorded message....

[fsabbagh]

I use a mailbox company in Blaine Washington. My mailing address is

Mr. CheapScotsman
123 JJJJJJJJJ Street
Blaine, WA,
99999

Nobody looking at that address knows that it is a mail company. I am sure you can find others elsewhere.


What happens when you get to the border and your address is not a Canadian address but an American one? Won't they have an issue?

[bguy7890]

Can someone please give me some directions to the export office at the Blaine Truck (Pacific Highway) Crossing?
I came back from a shopping trip today via the truck crossing but couldn't figure out where the U.S. Customs Export Office is located. After I took the exit to the truck crossing, there was the sign for the duty free shop on my right hand side. If I go straight ahead, I'll be heading to the Canadian Customs booths. As I drove along, there's a duty free shop and a customs broker office on my right hand side. I saw there's a lane on the left hand side along which a few cars were parked. There's a sign saying something like "U.S. Customs.....Special Alien Departure Control...." Am I supposed to park my car there and walk across the U.S. Customs booth?

Thought I saw a post sometime ago about this but I couldn't find it again.

Thanks.

[ryandk]

The RIV list was updated on October 9th.

The following manufacturers' 2008 models are now listed as admissible for import:

Aston Martin
Audi
BMW
Chrysler
Ferrari
Ford
Hyundai
Jaguar
Kia
Maserati
Mazda
Mini
Mitsubishi
Nissan
Subaru
Volkswagen

Of course, Toyota and Honda are NOT on the list yet. [sigh]

[teep]

We put a deposit on a E350. Sales person actually told us that somebody else exported one not too long ago to Canda and they did not have to do any modifications. There is a way to have speed to show in KM/h and daylight savings can be also turned on. The only thing is the bumper, which might have to be changed.


The E350 4matic is one of the cars I am looking at. Please let us know how you get on - the mods look like they could be a bit of a drama, but the saving looks enormous. Good luck!

There should be good deals from dealers both sides of the border as a new E series is in the pipeline for 08/9, and the lovely 7-speed tranny fits that and it will have the new active suspension that Canadian models have on the new C-series. Present E series 4matics only have the old 5-speed tranny as theres no room in the chassis for the 7-speed box and the AWD gear.

Still weighing it up against a new C series, which actually does have way better specs in Canada for the money. On the Merc blogs, you should hear the groans from US purchasers when they find out US cars dont have memory seats or Xenons, and they cant buy the C350 as a 4matic. (This might be one rare case where that Desrosier guy is right.) For myself, if an imported E350 was that cheap - maybe that would tip the balance.

[reddy54]

I am considering buying a new Camry through a friend who lives in NY state. It will be purchased in NH to avoid the sales taxes. He will prepare a typed invoice which will transfer the car to me.
Here is what I am unsure of

1) when I arrive at the USA border the bill of sale will still be in his name. Will this be a problem? if so will USA customs accept a letter from him authorizing me to transport the car to Canada on his behalf and I will not advise them that I am the owner?

2)Will he have to get insurance in his name during transit in USA. The car will presumeably be registered to him in NH upon issue of the transit permit and I question if the bill of sale we draw up has legal effect if car is accidented in USA and he is sued.

3)will the invoice we makeup be acceptable to provincial tax offices?

Thanks for any help in this matter.

[Symcrapico]

Ive been asked by someone to explain him my process of importing my new car, so here it is:

First, I do recommend Xan from Manchester Subaru in NH because he made me a better price than Van Bortel and Manchester is 30 min closer to Montreal.

I did all the paperwork myself, its really not complicated. Check out the wiki at http://www.carburner.com/ and check the Lacolle/Champlain border section that I added.

I putted my downpayment on the car on october 1st and I got my car in my driveway on october 10th!

Heres the details:
october 1st: contact Xan and negociate. Put the downpayment.
oct 2nd: get the car VIN #, call the insurrance (Meloche) and wire transfer the money from Desjardins to Xan dealer. I also called SoA for my Recall Letter, but they needed a confirmation that the car was really sold to me, but still, the gave me a case number.
oct 3rd: Xan received my money and sent the paperwork to me overnight.
oct 4th: Received the paperwork including the Bill of Sale and the CoA. Signed everything and sent back what needed to be sent back the same day.
oct 5th: Brought the Bill of Sale and the CoA to the Champlain US Export office. (Its not a good idea to go at that border on friday afternnoon!). They gave me single sheet of paper confirming the date of export (oct 10th). That night, I called back Meloche, the insurrance company and they sent me right away a pdf of my insurrance so I can bring it with me.
oct 9th: Called Xan telling him that I was coming the next day! I also got the Recall Letter that day.
oct 10th: Drive to Manchester (5h). Pickup the car. I could have left the dealer in like 5 min, but I asked Xan to explain me the car a little bit! So I was there for about 30 min. Drove back to the border. Stop at the US Export office, officer took the piece of paper that they gave me on oct 5th. He looked through thre window and asked me if it is that car, stamped the CoA and that was it. Drove to the Canadian Import Office. The officer filled Form 1 and sent all the needed paperwork to the RIV except the Recall Letter. Ive paid the RIV fee, A/C fee and the fed tax and I was out in 15 min. Drove back home. I did sleep REALLY well.
oct 11th: I sent my recall letter to the RIV and called them. Gave them my email address and the lady told me that I would received Form 2 by the end of that day. Unfortunately, they mispelled my name.
oct 12th: Called back RIV to check what was going on, fixed my email address and the guy sent me right away Form 2. That night, I went to CT to have the inspection done, but they dont do it on night shift.

So here I am! Driving my 2008 Legacy 2.5GT with my temp NH plate! Im probably gonna go to CT and SAAQ on monday.

Heres a picture of my new baby:
http://70.85.225.31/suby.jpg

[fulrach]

So here I am! Driving my 2008 Legacy 2.5GT with my temp NH plate! Im probably gonna go to CT and SAAQ on monday.

Heres a picture of my new baby:


dude.. that's a sexy beast... congrats!
Another Legacy GT... same colour I've been lookin' at.... mmmmm... thanks for more encouragement!

[bill_best]

I wonder how many cars you can register to an address before it becomes a problem.

Might be a good business opportunity for someone living in a cross-border town.
Someone could charge a couple hundred bucks to register cars for Canadians.
Then all they would have to do is forward any paperwork that comes in.

Hmmm...

[mojof1]

anyone know how much taxes you pay to buy a car in chicago, IL?

[cobretti]

A work colleague recently had to buy a new Subaru Outback after his previous was totalled by some eejut shooting out of a back lane without looking.

He got a brand new car for $8000 off MRSP from a local Canadian Subaru dealer. He haggled very hard, and its interesting they had that much wriggle room.

Although that is still not the $10.8k I saved by importing, it might have made me think twice.

Two thoughts:
(a) If this is the new policy Subaru of Canada I for one would welcome it!
(b) Think of the implication for the sort of profit they must be making on the car.

I went for a test drive of the 08 Tribeca yesterday and though no discussion of price cut on 08 model they wanted to offer me 8K off a 07 Tribeca 7-pass demo at 1.9%. Drove both cars and the 08 is definitely a step up in the power department, loved the handling and just the feeling of being in a new car again:cheesygri

[boci]

Hi guys,
Did anyone brought their vehicle trough Sumas, WA border crossing?
If so, where did you send the required documentation?

[VladK]

Can you elaborate on that? Do you have anything to back that statement up for MB?

That what i was told by MB dealerships in the states. When i called and asked about one of the cars salesperson told me that he had to check if it has been a year since it was purchased. He told me that they are not allowed to export cars unless it has been a year.


Also....another car. It was a Mercedes owned car not purchased by anybody and it was not available for export.

[Billyboy]

Seeing that extended warenty is about the worst waste of money one can even consider on a new vehicle...see what all the experts say...right next to the rust proofing..blah, blahs list,

If I and I expect many others could buy a new vehicle and opt out of the warrenty for 4k? well I know where that 4k would end up for me. I just think it is a joke that anyone would even waste the time to think about warrenty issues when you are saving 10k. Maybe a reality check is needed? Sell the car you saved 10k on before it reaches 60,000 kms and you will only ever have to put oil in the beast.

Recalls will be covered...it is law, so you are more than covered for the big stuff. As for warrenty issues?? that is like getting hit by lightning these days. In 12 new vehicles I have had 1 issue and it was a 1989 Mustang, (cough junk)..which they ended up not covering anyway..oil burner it was.

Purchasing warrenty on a new car with none, (likely winable in court as well)...well this is why the one selling the warrenty is rich, and some are not.

Then again some people insure vehicles for fire and theft, when the vehicle is basically worthless, still others put a 200 dollar theft device (ever see the club on a beater that would not even certify?) on a car not worth stealling, and then there are the ones that live their life paranoid and shelling out the little money they have to whichever snake oil saleman they meet that preys on this ? fear ?

Maybe cross border shopping is not up for everyone, (too much to worry about, too much to reseach, too many unknowns, too many what ifs). Those who want 10k in the pocket today....take the plunge.

Well said my friend, well said.

Create the fear... and then offer them a false sense of security, and they will pay. Cars, TV's, RRSP's, you name it. The only extended warranty worth paying for is that for a laptop.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Heres a picture of my new baby:
http://70.85.225.31/suby.jpg

Welcome to the RFD Super Saver club.

That is one nice car. Congratulations on the car, and saving TONS of money.

Be sure to add your name as a successful importer at carburner.com

[Monsieurmaggot]

I wonder how many cars you can register to an address before it becomes a problem.

Might be a good business opportunity for someone living in a cross-border town.
Someone could charge a couple hundred bucks to register cars for Canadians.
Then all they would have to do is forward any paperwork that comes in.

Hmmm...


We've heard that Canada Customs permits two private imports per year before they consider you a business.

I've never really had the inclination to check it out on their website but I'm sure it's there somewhere.

If anyone has actually confirmed this, please let us know where the link is.

[jadeboy]

The RIV list was updated on October 9th.

The following manufacturers' 2008 models are now listed as admissible for import:

Aston Martin
Audi
BMW
Chrysler
Ferrari
Ford
Hyundai
Jaguar
Kia
Maserati
Mazda
Mini
Mitsubishi
Nissan
Subaru
Volkswagen

Of course, Toyota and Honda are NOT on the list yet. [sigh]

I talked/emailed to riv.ca and I am getting confused about the 2008 Toyota/Lexus. I had 2 people at riv.ca tells me the the 2008 Toyota/Lexus will be on this list this week or next week. But today.. I check the riv.ca website and found this about the 2008.

"The list of vehicles manufactured in the United States which are approved for entry into Canada is published by Transport Canada. Make sure you check your vehicle against the List of Vehicles Admissible from the United States before you import. Where there is no information concerning a current model year (2008) US specification vehicle you must contact the manufacturer to determine its admissibility or inadmissibility. "

What? I know the Lexus 2008 IS 350 is identifical to the 2007 Lexus IS 350 except it has better rims, a coin holder, and better steering control. Everything else is the same.

I will email Lexus USA.

[tico 1948]

I went for a test drive of the 08 Tribeca yesterday and though no discussion of price cut on 08 model they wanted to offer me 8K off a 07 Tribeca 7-pass demo at 1.9%. Drove both cars and the 08 is definitely a step up in the power department, loved the handling and just the feeling of being in a new car again:cheesygri

Where'd you take your test drive? Just curious.

[shopper-X]

I added myself to the www.CarBurner.com site and here are some pics!
I know people are not fans of the 2007 front-end but we like it over the generic 2008 front-end.

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/388/rfd01wv2.jpg

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/6631/rfd02tq9.jpg

[GoKartRacer]

I am considering buying a new Camry through a friend who lives in NY state. It will be purchased in NH to avoid the sales taxes. He will prepare a typed invoice which will transfer the car to me.
Here is what I am unsure of

1) when I arrive at the USA border the bill of sale will still be in his name. Will this be a problem? if so will USA customs accept a letter from him authorizing me to transport the car to Canada on his behalf and I will not advise them that I am the owner?

2)Will he have to get insurance in his name during transit in USA. The car will presumeably be registered to him in NH upon issue of the transit permit and I question if the bill of sale we draw up has legal effect if car is accidented in USA and he is sued.

3)will the invoice we makeup be acceptable to provincial tax offices?

Thanks for any help in this matter.

reddy54,

I am doing a similar thing with Lexus but going by the following:

Friend/family member purchases car, I have to wait till they get the title because Customs needs to see title. So the car is currently sitting in their garage, it takes about 3-4 weeks from purchase date to receive the title. Then I will export using title and bill of sale that friend/family member has written up.

Sorry that doesnt help some of your questions but I dont know if you can do what you are asking.. except that point 3 of what you asked should be the ok..see the following

http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/export/export_docs/motor_vehicle.xml


In addition to that one roadblock you might have is that the dealership in NH will want to register the car in the buyer's home state. For example my relative/friend is from NJ and if they buy from NH (for Lexus) then NH will collect the NJ sales tax and send the information and register it with the NJ motor vehicle department. I found that essentially there is pretty much no way to get around the sales tax issue with Lexus, and quite possibly the same with Toyota.

Good luck..

[googz]

I plan to drive a car from a new car dealer thru a number of states to Ontario. Someone mentioned that I need to get a temporary permit for each state I pass thru. Somewhere else it says the temp permit from a new car dealership is good for all states.

Anyone knows which is correct?

Ditto...anyone???

[luke]

From previous posts, the newer Mitsubishi EVOs are not importable into Canada. It looks like those manufactured before 1991 might be importable. You could be in luck. The RIV sites indicates this.

For one, I read the bumper does not conform to Transport Canada standards.

It's trial and error about finding a dealer who will sell to Canadians.

Many close to the border dealers can't be bothered. I found this information interesting to read: www.naata.org.

If you could even find one to buy.. I contacted a bunch of mitsubishi dealers in different states, and they all tell me that mitsubishi headquarters doesn't allow them to sell to Canadians....

[southpaw4golf]

Anyone know if a used Honda purchased in the States and imported to Canada is covered by warranty in Canada. I think the answer might be no on this one, not sure tho...
Secondly, if a Honda purchased in the US, imported to Canada, can return to the US for warranty work...

[scouzi]

If you could even find one to buy.. I contacted a bunch of mitsubishi dealers in different states, and they all tell me that mitsubishi headquarters doesn't allow them to sell to Canadians....

These guys can:


http://www.burlingtoncars.com/news.htm

[Billyboy]

CONGRATS!!!! Now who said Toyota won't sell? As I've said all along, there will be dealers who will not obey corporate orders.

I could just see a flood of inquiries from potential Toyota buyers posting to get the dealer info.

But I'd be wary of giving out the dealer info because there are spies for the auto corporate headquarters for both US and Canada and will snitch on them. I suggest you give them area in Phoenix and let them do the research. No offense meant to Toyota hunters but the snitches will report the dealership to Toyota USA. As what the MasterCard TV ads says, in this case, "Yup! We've got snitches!"

Thank you for a well written and informative post. I am not buying a Toyota but I thoroughly enjoyed reading it. It is helpful for anyone buying a car in the USA.

The points on the card are a bonus. I love it! I rack up a lot of points too, it's my little private reward.

And boys, ANYTHING that saves you $7k is worth it! Think about it, that's like $14 K before tax. Even more, it is $7k DISCRETIONARY (after-tax and expenses) income. Some people need to work a whole year to be able to save $7K that they can truly call their own.

So, stick it to them where it hurts.

[alex_sauvage126]

Does anybody knows any details about warranty on Mazda vehicles?
"Carburner" site is mentioning that there is no warranty on "Canada" registered cars. However "Mazda USA" website is saying that warranty is valid for the car bought in USA AND serviced in USA dealership. Does it mean I can bring car into USA for the warranty work?
It still a hassle, but might be worth it for the expensive stuff.

[shoprbccom]

Why are all these news casts and stories talking about "how much people are saving!"

Why aren't these news people going to Honda.. Toyota, etc and asking the questions.. why are Canadians being taken advantage of, how can they not honour warranties on their cars, how can they force their dealerships in the US to not sell to certain people..

What happens if you live in the US legit, you decide to move to Canada with your 06 Honda Accord and the engine explodes.. no warranty?

This is a real issue that really isn't getting any real answers.

[sphinxx]

i love that front end.
i think it's the 40+ crowd that really hates it, because it's not "mainstream" enough. to be fair to Sub , they will sell more of them now that it looks like everybody else.

I went to see a Sub dealer in Ottawa, and they are asking for 41K for a 2006 model 7 psg, and 37K withOUT the leather package.
I think I can get it fully loaded for 30K in the states.

spx.



I added myself to the www.CarBurner.com site and here are some pics!
I know people are not fans of the 2007 front-end but we like it over the generic 2008 front-end.

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/388/rfd01wv2.jpg

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/6631/rfd02tq9.jpg

[reddy54]

reddy54,

I am doing a similar thing with Lexus but going by the following:

Friend/family member purchases car, I have to wait till they get the title because Customs needs to see title. So the car is currently sitting in their garage, it takes about 3-4 weeks from purchase date to receive the title. Then I will export using title and bill of sale that friend/family member has written up.

Sorry that doesnt help some of your questions but I dont know if you can do what you are asking.. except that point 3 of what you asked should be the ok..see the following

http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/export/export_docs/motor_vehicle.xml


In addition to that one roadblock you might have is that the dealership in NH will want to register the car in the buyer's home state. For example my relative/friend is from NJ and if they buy from NH (for Lexus) then NH will collect the NJ sales tax and send the information and register it with the NJ motor vehicle department. I found that essentially there is pretty much no way to get around the sales tax issue with Lexus, and quite possibly the same with Toyota.

Good luck..

I am not sure that you had to wait the rgeww weeks for title. I think the MCO
would have been ok ay export just by saying that your friend/relative was the exporter. Read the quote in the link below which seems to confirm this.

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=477998&highlight=MCO

[Billyboy]

From the APA warranty coverage list:

"Nissan vehicles must first be registered in U.S. for coverage to apply. If the car moves to Canada after it is six months old the warranty will be valid. However, if a U.S. market car is brought to Canada and sold before the car is six months old, the warranty will be void."

What the f&^k does this mean?

Does it mean that any used car (last year's model) purchased from a US dealership is good? The used car would have been registered to some US resident before the dealer got it...

OR, does it mean that the car must be registered in the US in the same name as the person who imports and drives it in Canada?

Just curious...

[shopper-X]

i love that front end.
i think it's the 40+ crowd that really hates it, because it's not "mainstream" enough. to be fair to Sub , they will sell more of them now that it looks like everybody else.

I went to see a Sub dealer in Ottawa, and they are asking for 41K for a 2006 model 7 psg, and 37K withOUT the leather package.
I think I can get it fully loaded for 30K in the states.

spx.

Thanks.
I made my deal in August and paid $30K for the 5 passenger w/Nav.
I pretty sure you can find a new 2007 7 passenger w/Nav for $30K today if they have them left.

[jabelone]

Why are all these news casts and stories talking about "how much people are saving!"

Why aren't these news people going to Honda.. Toyota, etc and asking the questions.. why are Canadians being taken advantage of, how can they not honour warranties on their cars, how can they force their dealerships in the US to not sell to certain people..

What happens if you live in the US legit, you decide to move to Canada with your 06 Honda Accord and the engine explodes.. no warranty?

This is a real issue that really isn't getting any real answers.

Here here. +1. Something very bad is going on. Corporations like Honda US have declared themselves governors of international consumer law and effectively instituted their own trade embargo against Canadians (for new cars). I can't even get anyone at the appropriate Canadian government departments to return my calls. Talking to the customer service reps at Honda USA is comical (one guy said it was illegal to export cars to Canada anyway- call yourself 1-800-999-1009) This is a much more serious issue than cross border shopping or bargain hunting. Do you want elected governments to rule society or do you want corporations to? Honda does not make up trade law. They have NO legal right to not sell cars to Canadians, and every Canadian (even ones who don't want to buy a Honda) should oppose this. If Honda succeeds at this exploitive attempt to price fix new cars in Canada, then we are signing up to fixed pricing (ie. higher pricing) on a whole lot of other goods that come across the border.

[Jb0713]

This just exposes a major problem that has been going on for a long time.

The WTO told us we were in violating of GATT back in 1998 but Canadians ignored the issue because they believe their "leaders" when fed BS. (hence the reasons we keep voting Liberal, they set these rules up)

Now we have major companies openly stating that they are taking actions to prevent competition and are colluding to fix or inflate prices in certian areas.

Yet we do almost nothing to protect Canadians or our interests. How is it in our interests to allow companies do decide what should cross our borders? We do this directly when we require : An Official letter of admissibility from Mercedes-Benz Canada Inc. must be presented to a CBSA officer at time of importation. But there are many other, and better, examples.

FTA and NAFTA would be a good idea if trade was indeed free or fair.

With that rant done. I saved about $15G on a $50G car (or about 30%) by buying in the states and bringing it across myself. http://www.jb0713.com/car/Importing.htm I would suggest others consider it.

To the idea that we should only buy "Canadian" cars like the Matrix I would only use one word to point out what a failed idea that is. LADA.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Here here. +1. Something very bad is going on. Corporations like Honda US have declared themselves governors of international consumer law and effectively instituted their own trade embargo against Canadians (for new cars). I can't even get anyone at the appropriate Canadian government departments to return my calls. Talking to the customer service reps at Honda USA is comical (one guy said it was illegal to export cars to Canada anyway- call yourself 1-800-999-1009) This is a much more serious issue than cross border shopping or bargain hunting. Do you want elected governments to rule society or do you want corporations to? Honda does not make up trade law. They have NO legal right to not sell cars to Canadians, and every Canadian (even ones who don't want to buy a Honda) should oppose this. If Honda succeeds at this exploitive attempt to price fix new cars in Canada, then we are signing up to fixed pricing (ie. higher pricing) on a whole lot of other goods that come across the border.

That's why the $2 Billion dollar lawsuit was launched.

These people think the trade laws don't apply to them. They hide under the thin "franchise veil". The franchise veil says they won't go into each other's territory. It only really applies to the franchisee not the consumer.

That will be challenged and THEY WILL LOSE.

Toyota settled out of court in the US for $35 million dollars but NEVER took responsibility for their actions.

They know they can drag this out in the system for a few years.

When they've exhausted all their legal routes and have no choice but to appear in court, they will settle out of court.

[tico 1948]

Ditto...anyone???

Xan Peterson, the salesman at Manchester Subaru told me that the 20 day Temp. Transit Sticker that they place on the purchased vehicle will get you home without any problems. Just follow the rules of the road and you are Good to Go, No Worries! Just be sure that you have your Insurance Card with you proving coverage for the vehicle you are bringing home. You never know, but you may get stopped,for whatever reason, by the police. An RFD aquaintance of mine just returned home from Manchester with his new Subie. He did not report of having any trouble driving through N.H., Vt., N.Y., and into his home prov. of Quebec. So you see, you should have no problems whatever in bringing the vehicle home.I really don't know where all this different transit stickers for different states stuff got started.I don't recall seeing any "Official" statement about that subject.Is it a distinct possibility that someone,or some organization out there,might be spreading Misinformation to hinder or discourage Canadians from cross border car shopping?Honestly, it wouldn't be a suprise to RFD'ers if that were indeed the case. Maybe someone out there can indicate which States are Enforcers of that supposed requirement and, is it a Bona Fide regulation to begin with? If it is a true regulation, and it quite possibly is, a solution may be to avoid buying in or travelling through any of those "problem"States. If anyone out there has 100% proof of that regulation, could they provide info. on where it is stated in print?

[cobretti]

Quote:

Originally Posted by cobretti
I went for a test drive of the 08 Tribeca yesterday and though no discussion of price cut on 08 model they wanted to offer me 8K off a 07 Tribeca 7-pass demo at 1.9%. Drove both cars and the 08 is definitely a step up in the power department, loved the handling and just the feeling of being in a new car again

Where'd you take your test drive? Just curious.

Mississauga

[shoprbccom]

That's why the $2 Billion dollar lawsuit was launched.

These people think the trade laws don't apply to them. They hide under the thin "franchise veil". The franchise veil says they won't go into each other's territory. It only really applies to the franchisee not the consumer.

That will be challenged and THEY WILL LOSE.

Toyota settled out of court in the US for $35 million dollars but NEVER took responsibility for their actions.

They know they can drag this out in the system for a few years.

When they've exhausted all their legal routes and have no choice but to appear in court, they will settle out of court.

Monsieurmaggot - I tend to disagree. The actions that they currently apply are wrong in our eyes as consumers, but I imagine the car manufacturers will spend a lot of money on this case, lobby hard, and somehow explain the pricing differences are justified for some reason we won't even understand.

IMHO, everyone buying Subaru's who might have considered Honda's, etc, does the most damage to these companies. Then again, when the vast majority of Canadians don't care about saving 5-30K on a car, it's kind of hard to sway large corporations into change and really affect their bottom-lines.

As I explained to you in the past few weeks, I'm in the process of setting up a new site that, at this point, will take the more agressive stance AGAINST the car manufacturers and not just celebrating the joys of squeeking 1 purchase through; of course it will have lots of information from you and others who are making this possible for alot of people.

[jabelone]

IMHO, everyone buying Subaru's who might have considered Honda's, etc, does the most damage to these companies.

I agree. The damage to Honda's public image is going to be severe, and that actually does effect the bottom line. I'm so disgusted with Honda, that I'm not sure I even want to drive one anymore.

I can see it now... Foresters and Outbacks on every second driveway.

[GoKartRacer]

I am not sure that you had to wait the rgeww weeks for title. I think the MCO
would have been ok ay export just by saying that your friend/relative was the exporter. Read the quote in the link below which seems to confirm this.

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=477998&highlight=MCO

Reddy54,

Just to note first...

When a car is registered in a state that is to say that the sales tax is paid and the car is titled, the MCO is used to register the car. Thus the dealer will physically give/send the MCO to the state motor vehicle department to obtain registration for the car. Therefore you no longer have the MCO available from the dealer to use for exporting.

Now Lexus/Toyota Annoyances...

Starting with Toyota...As noted in your link, alysomji was able to purchase a new Toyota and NOT have it registered, therefore he received the MCO from the dealer and was easily able to export. The car was not registered in any state so the MCO was not "given up" to the state motor vehicle department. However from posts that I have been reading and hearing what people are saying, Toyota has made it even more difficult, since alysomji bought his car. And how Toyota will not sell unless you register (title/give up MCO) the car in the United States. When you register a car the dealer gives up MCO and you have to wait 3-4 weeks to receive title from the state department.

Now Lexus...Lexus has, since I started researching, not been selling cars on an open MCO. That means the car MUST be titled/registered, they will not sell the car and give you the MCO. This is to deter us Canadians from purchasing. Therefore it is impossible for us to get an MCO from the lexus dealer (I have tried so many dealers and everyone seems to be on the same page).

In conclusion...I am 100% confident that it is impossible to get a lexus and have the MCO from the dealer. However I am not 100% about Toyota, all I know is what people on this forum have been saying. I have not done my research with Toyota dealerships. That being said if you can find a dealership willing to sell to you or your relative a car on an open MSO (that is that they dont require you to register it) then you should be good to go :-).

[alex_sauvage126]

From the APA warranty coverage list:

"Nissan vehicles must first be registered in U.S. for coverage to apply. If the car moves to Canada after it is six months old the warranty will be valid. However, if a U.S. market car is brought to Canada and sold before the car is six months old, the warranty will be void."

What the f&^k does this mean?

Does it mean that any used car (last year's model) purchased from a US dealership is good? The used car would have been registered to some US resident before the dealer got it...

OR, does it mean that the car must be registered in the US in the same name as the person who imports and drives it in Canada?

Just curious...


Actually if one will look into original Nissan warranty it doesn't say it.
Here is a quote:

This warranty is provided to the original and subsequent
owner(s) of a Nissan vehicle originally distributed by Nissan
which is originally sold by a Nissan authorized Nissan
dealership in the United States, and which is registered
in the U.S. and normally operated in the United States
(including Alaska and Hawaii), the United States territories
(specifi cally Guam, Saipan, American Samoa, Puerto Rico
and the U.S. Virgin Islands), and Canada.
■ This warranty is generally transferable from the original
‘owner other than a Nissan dealer’ (OWNER) to
subsequent owners of the vehicle at any time ownership of
the vehicle is transferred, without any action on your part;
except that this warranty is not transferable but is instead
void if during the fi rst six months after delivery to the original
OWNER: (1) ownership of the vehicle is transferred from
the original OWNER, and (2) the vehicle is registered
outside of the United States.

So the way I read it, the warranty IS valid in Canada, and only void if
1) exported into Canada AND 2) resold within 6 monthes (document only talks about warranty being "transferred" to second owner.
Please, correct me if I misread it.

[smpmush]

I posted a paraphrased memo fro GM's head of sales for Canada a few pages back! They clearly state they see no problem with the price difference between US and Can.. In the manufactures eyes prices are market driven.. There is no compitition between the US and Canada as they see it.. Hence the threats to to US dealers for selling to Canuks and the denial of warrenty, road side assistance etc.. They are so sure of themselfs they actually have to hold back from lauging when interviewed on the subject.. Mr D and others have become strangely silent in the past few weeks as the media has started to show real people who have saved real money buying in the US.. As the truth becomes more and more apparent the silence from manufactures is obvious.. When shopping a while back for a new vehical, when I told a salesman how I was thinking of going down to the US to buy what i wanted because of the savings to be had .. He imediatley showed me a list of 07 used US vehicals he had access to for sale and that he would import anything from the list to sell to me.. Dealers can cry foul all they want but at the end of the day they are just as guilty as the maufactures for fleesing the Canadian consumer...If prices are indeed market driven then when the market dry's up prices will fall.. Just remember that falling prices mean less value for the auto you own today.. If you must buy in Canada it is in your best interest to lease and let the manufacturer take the hit in the end.. A correction is comming but it will take time, maby years! This cash cow which is the Canadian market is something they are not about to let go of easily....

[shoprbccom]

I posted a paraphrased memo fro GM's head of sales for Canada a few pages back! They clearly state they see no problem with the price difference between US and Can.. In the manufactures eyes prices are market driven.. There is no compitition between the US and Canada as they see it.. Hence the threats to to US dealers for selling to Canuks and the denial of warrenty, road side assistance etc.. They are so sure of themselfs they actually have to hold back from lauging when interviewed on the subject.. Mr D and others have become strangely silent in the past few weeks as the media has started to show real people who have saved real money buying in the US.. As the truth becomes more and more apparent the silence from manufactures is obvious.. When shopping a while back for a new vehical, when I told a salesman how I was thinking of going down to the US to buy what i wanted because of the savings to be had .. He imediatley showed me a list of 07 used US vehicals he had access to for sale and that he would import anything from the list to sell to me.. Dealers can cry foul all they want but at the end of the day they are just as guilty as the maufactures for fleesing the Canadian consumer...If prices are indeed market driven then when the market dry's up prices will fall.. Just remember that falling prices mean less value for the auto you own today.. If you must buy in Canada it is in your best interest to lease and let the manufacturer take the hit in the end.. A correction is comming but it will take time, maby years! This cash cow which is the Canadian market is something they are not about to let go of easily....

The problem is people ARE complaining and people ARE going to the US to buy cars. Just look at the recent sales numbers.. This is a real issue affecting us Canadians.

The dealers pay what the manufacturers demand.. they have to make money too. Believe them when they say they aren't happy about the price differential, especially the higher end guys like BMW, Lexus, etc. ALOT of people are bringing up this dollar differential and they are having to make excuses, give freebies, etc. I'm very very surprised that Canadian dealers aren't actually raising a big stink about this issue; or maybe they are and it's very discreet and we don't know about it.

At the end of the day, the issue is obviously front and center in their minds, but instead of resolving the issue, even SLIGHTLY, they are imposing new blockages which really infuriates me. As someone posted a few pages back, I strongly believe that other manufacturers are going to impose blocks and this whole importing activity is going to be further curbed.

[shoprbccom]

Another thing I keep forgetting to note which no one really talks about; how is all this affecting the Canadian economy? I realize the cars are being taxed at the border, etc, but what about all the revenue and money that is being spent outside of our country? We're not talking about t-shirt money.. we're talking major amounts of cash.

To me, that equals jobs, businesses, etc, etc. Why is the government allowing all of this money to flow out so easily?

[jabelone]

Another thing I keep forgetting to note which no one really talks about; how is all this affecting the Canadian economy? I realize the cars are being taxed at the border, etc, but what about all the revenue and money that is being spent outside of our country? We're not talking about t-shirt money.. we're talking major amounts of cash.

Someone earlier made an interesting point that the money Canadians could be saving buying new cars south of the border might still contribute to the Canadian economy by allowing them to spend it in other retail sectors in Canada which aren't fleecing the Canadian consumer. In other words, someone saves 10K+ buying a US car, they might come home and buy a flatscreen TV, a stainless steel fridge or a hot tub for a new deck and still have money to spare. After all, the people looking to buy new cars are usually people with some disposable income.

[underpants]

To me, that equals jobs, businesses, etc, etc. Why is the government allowing all of this money to flow out so easily?

I suppose to the gov't they are happier to collect 14% on $45 000 instead of 14% on $30 000.

[tico 1948]

Another thing I keep forgetting to note which no one really talks about; how is all this affecting the Canadian economy? I realize the cars are being taxed at the border, etc, but what about all the revenue and money that is being spent outside of our country? We're not talking about t-shirt money.. we're talking major amounts of cash.

To me, that equals jobs, businesses, etc, etc. Why is the government allowing all of this money to flow out so easily?

Because the Federal Government signed the North American Free Trade Agreement. Remember Brian Mulroney? They aren't going to restrict the free flow of goods across the border. It would contravene the Free Trade Agteement. Something that a number of Auto Manufacturers seem to have forgotten about.

[jabelone]

They aren't going to restrict the free flow of goods across the border. It would contravene the Free Trade Agteement.

Isn't the Canadian Government allowing Honda to restrict the free flow of goods across the border? It's up to the government to enforce the free trade agreement, but are they doing that?

[tico 1948]

Isn't the Canadian Government allowing Honda to restrict the free flow of goods across the border? It's up to the government to enforce the free trade agreement, but are they doing that?

Sure don't appear to be. Maybe the big auto manufacturers make large monetary donations to political parties? Afterall, money talks big time!

[scouzi]

Another thing I keep forgetting to note which no one really talks about; how is all this affecting the Canadian economy? I realize the cars are being taxed at the border, etc, but what about all the revenue and money that is being spent outside of our country? We're not talking about t-shirt money.. we're talking major amounts of cash.

To me, that equals jobs, businesses, etc, etc. Why is the government allowing all of this money to flow out so easily?

The only money that stays in Canada is dealer profit. The rest moves outside Canada anyways.

By buying in the US, you are affecting the Canadian automotive sector but the benefits are greater to the Canadian economy in general if you spend all your savings in Canada.

If your savings are greater than dealer profits, the benefit is positive to the Canadian economy.

If the car companies really want to protect their dealers, they should allow them to compete with US dealers by offering them the same dealer invoice prices.

[reddy54]

Reddy54,

Just to note first...

When a car is registered in a state that is to say that the sales tax is paid and the car is titled, the MCO is used to register the car. Thus the dealer will physically give/send the MCO to the state motor vehicle department to obtain registration for the car. Therefore you no longer have the MCO available from the dealer to use for exporting.

Now Lexus/Toyota Annoyances...

Starting with Toyota...As noted in your link, alysomji was able to purchase a new Toyota and NOT have it registered, therefore he received the MCO from the dealer and was easily able to export. The car was not registered in any state so the MCO was not "given up" to the state motor vehicle department. However from posts that I have been reading and hearing what people are saying, Toyota has made it even more difficult, since alysomji bought his car. And how Toyota will not sell unless you register (title/give up MCO) the car in the United States. When you register a car the dealer gives up MCO and you have to wait 3-4 weeks to receive title from the state department.

Now Lexus...Lexus has, since I started researching, not been selling cars on an open MCO. That means the car MUST be titled/registered, they will not sell the car and give you the MCO. This is to deter us Canadians from purchasing. Therefore it is impossible for us to get an MCO from the lexus dealer (I have tried so many dealers and everyone seems to be on the same page).

In conclusion...I am 100% confident that it is impossible to get a lexus and have the MCO from the dealer. However I am not 100% about Toyota, all I know is what people on this forum have been saying. I have not done my research with Toyota dealerships. That being said if you can find a dealership willing to sell to you or your relative a car on an open MSO (that is that they dont require you to register it) then you should be good to go :-).

Great Post

[reddy54]

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoKartRacer View Post
Reddy54,

Just to note first...

When a car is registered in a state that is to say that the sales tax is paid and the car is titled, the MCO is used to register the car. Thus the dealer will physically give/send the MCO to the state motor vehicle department to obtain registration for the car. Therefore you no longer have the MCO available from the dealer to use for exporting.

Now Lexus/Toyota Annoyances...

Starting with Toyota...As noted in your link, alysomji was able to purchase a new Toyota and NOT have it registered, therefore he received the MCO from the dealer and was easily able to export. The car was not registered in any state so the MCO was not "given up" to the state motor vehicle department. However from posts that I have been reading and hearing what people are saying, Toyota has made it even more difficult, since alysomji bought his car. And how Toyota will not sell unless you register (title/give up MCO) the car in the United States. When you register a car the dealer gives up MCO and you have to wait 3-4 weeks to receive title from the state department.

Now Lexus...Lexus has, since I started researching, not been selling cars on an open MCO. That means the car MUST be titled/registered, they will not sell the car and give you the MCO. This is to deter us Canadians from purchasing. Therefore it is impossible for us to get an MCO from the lexus dealer (I have tried so many dealers and everyone seems to be on the same page).

In conclusion...I am 100% confident that it is impossible to get a lexus and have the MCO from the dealer. However I am not 100% about Toyota, all I know is what people on this forum have been saying. I have not done my research with Toyota dealerships. That being said if you can find a dealership willing to sell to you or your relative a car on an open MSO (that is that they dont require you to register it) then you should be good to go :-).

By the way how are you handling the insurance. When you drive back to CDA the car will be registered in another name. In the event of an accident they could be sued

[shoprbccom]

Because the Federal Government signed the North American Free Trade Agreement. Remember Brian Mulroney? They aren't going to restrict the free flow of goods across the border. It would contravene the Free Trade Agteement. Something that a number of Auto Manufacturers seem to have forgotten about.

Right.. but isn't it more so their primary job to protect Canadian consumers from being ripped off and to question WHY we're being so overcharged?

The government is SUPPOSED to be representing us all, right?

[Monsieurmaggot]

Another thing I keep forgetting to note which no one really talks about; how is all this affecting the Canadian economy? I realize the cars are being taxed at the border, etc, but what about all the revenue and money that is being spent outside of our country? We're not talking about t-shirt money.. we're talking major amounts of cash.

To me, that equals jobs, businesses, etc, etc. Why is the government allowing all of this money to flow out so easily?

You're missing a HUGE point, as has been pointed out to my my literally hundreds (okay maybe half a dozen) RFDers, they're paying EXACTLY the same amount of tax they would have paid in Canada. The difference is that they're getting more car for their money.

My budget was $30,000 before taxes. I spent that in the US and got a loaded Subaru. In Canada, that would have gotten me a base Camry or Honda or Aura.

People aren't going out and spending more money, they're spending the same amount or in the case where they're focusing on a specific model, they're saving thousands.

And you mentioned jobs. What jobs exactly are lost in Canada when I buy a car made in Indiana? The Canadian marketing person? The corporate secretary? Maybe the sales guy. But I respect car sales reps. as much as petroleum companies, insurance agents and bankers. Thanks to the Internet, at least the US car sales folks are a bit more forthcoming with the pricing.

As my signature points out, that leaves the Canadian consumer with extra money to spend in Canada.

In almost all cases, the Canadian subsidiary gets their cut but the bulk goes to the mother corp.

[Alexo]

That would be me.. I'm working on it.. slowly but surely. :D
Dear eastsidesubaru,

What would be the fate of pages on your wiki that include positive mentions and recommendations on non-Subaru vehicles or (heaven forbid!) on your competitors?

[Beradon]

Actually if one will look into original Nissan warranty it doesn't say it.

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So the way I read it, the warranty IS valid in Canada, and only void if
1) exported into Canada AND 2) resold within 6 monthes (document only talks about warranty being "transferred" to second owner.
Please, correct me if I misread it.They may have changed the wording recently to deter Canadians from purchasing in the US. I hope that lawsuit hurts them dearly.

[toolman]

I think that you must have assumed that I am promoting Subaru's. To put some context to my comments, I have owned a Sienna for the past three years, and I am completely unimpressed with the vehicle. I also did not state that Toyota is the only villain in this story and I would agree with you that there are other companies which don't deserve our business either.

I simply made the comment because I sense that some posters feel that Toyota's are the ultimate in a vehicle, and I just don't share that view.

Can your Subaru carry 4' X 8' sheets of plywood and still close the rear hatch?
Seems to me that the Sienna is the only minivan that still measures over 48" between the rear well...And that is important to me!

[GoKartRacer]

Quote:
By the way how are you handling the insurance. When you drive back to CDA the car will be registered in another name. In the event of an accident they could be sued

Reddy54,

I beleive, and I hope that this is a non-issue. The reason is what I am doing is basically purchasing a "used" car. Many Canadians are purchasing used cars from across the border are they not?

So what I plan to do is once the title comes to my relative's house I will go through the proceedings for a title transfer which includes both parties indicating this on the back of the title and signing the back of the title. The my relatives will surrender the plates to the NJ motor vehicle department as per their requirements.

See change of ownership in following link:

http://www.dmv.org/nj-new-jersey/title-transfers.php#Out-of-State_Title_Transfers

For insurance I will get a 14 temp as everyone else has been doing, from my current insurance company, and then drive the car back and go through the registration motions back here in Ontario.

[eastsidesubaru]

Dear eastsidesubaru,

What would be the fate of pages on your wiki that include positive mentions and recommendations on non-Subaru vehicles or (heaven forbid!) on your competitors?

Like I said from the start.. I am trying to keep the site 100% independant and I am a nice guy, I'm not going to be a jerk about it, as that would be bad for my rep... The website is intended for ALL makes and models... It is not intended for dealer discussion (Wouldn't be very independant exactly if I put up a dealer discussion section, would it?) so it should not be an issue.
The only thing I put up is a small note about myself, and maybe it will help pay for the site, but I think it is very small and unobstructive and should not be offensive to anybodies sensibilities.. Otherwise the site is intended to help everybody save money, WHATEVER the car might be... Subarus are not for everyone. If you ask me for a recommendation for another dealer and I know of one, I will happily provide it (Before I get 25 pms, no, I don't know any toyota or honda dealers.. haha..)

[VWPablo]

Wow, I must have really hit a nerve with a local Toyota dealer.

To be honest, I'm not looking for them to match US prices but a least be willing to negotiate to not make it really worth my while to hop the border. I'm even willing to pay $3k-$4k for that privilege :confused:

He pulled out the Dennis Desrosier article which I countered by placing my laptop on the desk and showed him my research (it's quite the detailed spreadsheet with amortization tables included) and asked that he meet me halfway. His reaction was odd. He told me to leave now (which I did) and he followed that up with an email rant about how we're going to become the 51st state, lose our independence, and that it's US prices that should rise, not CDN prices that should be lowered. Needless to say the rant was very unprofessional and I made it a point to forward to the franchise owner.

Any ways, looks like I have an interested dealer in the US willing to sell to Canadians with direct flights. Unless a CDN dealer speaks up by the end of the week, I'll be booking that flight.

Well, looks like even Toyota dealers in Florida are getting cold feet. Use to be Snow Birds were sought after clients but corporate is putting a stop to it.

Anyways, had a 2008 Toyota Sienna XLE all lined up and the dealer sent me a no-can-do email on Wednesday (was all set to fly down on Monday and take my time (3 days) to come back up). Really pissed me off.

Well Toyota, @#$%-You. Sitting in my driveway, is a brand new, 2007 Honda Odyssey Touring :D I picked up in Ohio. I made sure to take pictures of me picking it up stateside (with lots of American flags in the background), again at the border and e-mailed them to my local dealership.

I might not have a valid warranty in Canada but with the $10k I saved and general Honda reliability, not sure I need a warranty anyway.

[Pixy]

ANY LUCK ON YOUR 330i YET.I AM LOOKING FOR A 07 328i RIGHT NOW, COST AROUND 40, JUST FOUND OUT PAY AROUND 47, I CAN GET A BOXTER


Well I am going to wait until spring 2008. (I can't enjoy 330i in Toronto winter), further more, as further interest rate cut expected early next year in US will lead our loonie to reach 1.10 US$. hmm Another ~10% off from US MSRP for Canadian buyers.

[Alexo]

Where is NAFTA? Is it just for the manufacturers?Yes.

[setell]

Just wondering but how good is the resale value of Subaru's? I've alway been a huge fan of Toyota's but they are being such a pain in the ass if you want to import a Toyota and Subaru's are so much easier to deal with.

[shoprbccom]

You're missing a HUGE point, as has been pointed out to my my literally hundreds (okay maybe half a dozen) RFDers, they're paying EXACTLY the same amount of tax they would have paid in Canada. The difference is that they're getting more car for their money.

My budget was $30,000 before taxes. I spent that in the US and got a loaded Subaru. In Canada, that would have gotten me a base Camry or Honda or Aura.

People aren't going out and spending more money, they're spending the same amount or in the case where they're focusing on a specific model, they're saving thousands.

And you mentioned jobs. What jobs exactly are lost in Canada when I buy a car made in Indiana? The Canadian marketing person? The corporate secretary? Maybe the sales guy. But I respect car sales reps. as much as petroleum companies, insurance agents and bankers. Thanks to the Internet, at least the US car sales folks are a bit more forthcoming with the pricing.

As my signature points out, that leaves the Canadian consumer with extra money to spend in Canada.

In almost all cases, the Canadian subsidiary gets their cut but the bulk goes to the mother corp.


I'm not disagreeing, BUT if all things are equal it would obviously be better for the Canadian economy to keep the revenue here.

I'm not going to spend an extra 15K on my car in Canda, dont get me wrong, but I do feel semi-bad for the business in Canada that needs to make excuses for the corporation to try and sell a car.

[jingyu]

congratulation! Can you fax documents to USA custom or you need to send true copies? How did you go to dealer by rental car or fly there? Thanks.

Ive been asked by someone to explain him my process of importing my new car, so here it is:

First, I do recommend Xan from Manchester Subaru in NH because he made me a better price than Van Bortel and Manchester is 30 min closer to Montreal.

I did all the paperwork myself, its really not complicated. Check out the wiki at http://www.carburner.com/ and check the Lacolle/Champlain border section that I added.

I putted my downpayment on the car on october 1st and I got my car in my driveway on october 10th!

Heres the details:
october 1st: contact Xan and negociate. Put the downpayment.
oct 2nd: get the car VIN #, call the insurrance (Meloche) and wire transfer the money from Desjardins to Xan dealer. I also called SoA for my Recall Letter, but they needed a confirmation that the car was really sold to me, but still, the gave me a case number.
oct 3rd: Xan received my money and sent the paperwork to me overnight.
oct 4th: Received the paperwork including the Bill of Sale and the CoA. Signed everything and sent back what needed to be sent back the same day.
oct 5th: Brought the Bill of Sale and the CoA to the Champlain US Export office. (Its not a good idea to go at that border on friday afternnoon!). They gave me single sheet of paper confirming the date of export (oct 10th). That night, I called back Meloche, the insurrance company and they sent me right away a pdf of my insurrance so I can bring it with me.
oct 9th: Called Xan telling him that I was coming the next day! I also got the Recall Letter that day.
oct 10th: Drive to Manchester (5h). Pickup the car. I could have left the dealer in like 5 min, but I asked Xan to explain me the car a little bit! So I was there for about 30 min. Drove back to the border. Stop at the US Export office, officer took the piece of paper that they gave me on oct 5th. He looked through thre window and asked me if it is that car, stamped the CoA and that was it. Drove to the Canadian Import Office. The officer filled Form 1 and sent all the needed paperwork to the RIV except the Recall Letter. Ive paid the RIV fee, A/C fee and the fed tax and I was out in 15 min. Drove back home. I did sleep REALLY well.
oct 11th: I sent my recall letter to the RIV and called them. Gave them my email address and the lady told me that I would received Form 2 by the end of that day. Unfortunately, they mispelled my name.
oct 12th: Called back RIV to check what was going on, fixed my email address and the guy sent me right away Form 2. That night, I went to CT to have the inspection done, but they dont do it on night shift.

So here I am! Driving my 2008 Legacy 2.5GT with my temp NH plate! Im probably gonna go to CT and SAAQ on monday.

Heres a picture of my new baby:

[CatchMoreFish]

Can anyone give an explanation on this? Thanks.

As I mentioned earlier, I bought a car in US. The dealer had me signed all documents. One of them is the title paper.

The sales explained to me that the car is a trade-in. They must have their bureau issue them the title first. Then, I bring the car back to Canada. The bureau here will issue me the title. Is it the way how it works? I don't know why the car title is not issued to me.

Can anyone explain this? Thanks.

[alex_sauvage126]

They may have changed the wording recently to deter Canadians from purchasing in the US. I hope that lawsuit hurts them dearly.
Then it still should work for used cars 2007 and earlier.

[joe friday]

I think that you must have assumed that I am promoting Subaru's. To put some context to my comments, I have owned a Sienna for the past three years, and I am completely unimpressed with the vehicle. I also did not state that Toyota is the only villain in this story and I would agree with you that there are other companies which don't deserve our business either.

I simply made the comment because I sense that some posters feel that Toyota's are the ultimate in a vehicle, and I just don't share that view.

Can your Subaru carry 4' X 8' sheets of plywood and still close the rear hatch?
Seems to me that the Sienna is the only minivan that still measures over 48" between the rear well...And that is important to me!

Did you even read what I posted? I own a Sienna, not a Subaru. I never even mentioned Subaru except to point out that a previous poster had also misunderstood my comments.

To put it simply, I own a Sienna, I don't like it at all, and I would never buy another one. If you like it, good for you.

[49ers]

is 2008 Lexus RX350 eligible for import?

[49ers]

is MSO and COO the same thing or different?

[bly]

I'm not disagreeing, BUT if all things are equal it would obviously be better for the Canadian economy to keep the revenue here.

I'm not going to spend an extra 15K on my car in Canda, dont get me wrong, but I do feel semi-bad for the business in Canada that needs to make excuses for the corporation to try and sell a car.

That kind of thinking is pretty much defending DesRosiers point. Prices is Canada are higher than the US because consumers are willing to purchase cars at the current price.

In order for prices to come that in Canada, there must be less demand. If you feel "semi-bad" for dealerships in Canada then go ahead and purchase a car. The problem is you're not willing to spend the extra 15k...

[shoprbccom]

That kind of thinking is pretty much defending DesRosiers point. Prices is Canada are higher than the US because consumers are willing to purchase cars at the current price.

In order for prices to come that in Canada, there must be less demand. If you feel "semi-bad" for dealerships in Canada then go ahead and purchase a car. The problem is you're not willing to spend the extra 15k...


Of course I feel bad.. you think the dealerships want to lose all of our business? Am I wrong in saying they are FORCED to sell at price levels set by Toyota, Honda, etc?

I run a PC shop and this similar situation has come up with a manufacturer who I won't mention. Basically, I told them I've had multiple people complaining that they can buy the exact same product in the US for $399 direct vs my price of $479.00 They wouldn't budge.

So I put the product on sale at $439.00 to make it up to the clients who were complaining and come CLOSER price-wise.

The manufacturer called me and told me that I was basically going to be cut off and to remove the product from my website.

Soooo.. moral of the story is, I got in trouble for trying to help the client who already knew the pricing was an issue. Am I losing clients? Yes. Would I be willing to sell for less? Yes.

Irregardless, I am not going to spend 15K+ more on my new car in Canada.. i'm bringing my business to the US.

[bly]

Of course I feel bad.. you think the dealerships want to lose all of our business? Am I wrong in saying they are FORCED to sell at price levels set by Toyota, Honda, etc?

I run a PC shop and this similar situation has come up with a manufacturer who I won't mention. Basically, I told them I've had multiple people complaining that they can buy the exact same product in the US for $399 direct vs my price of $479.00 They wouldn't budge.

So I put the product on sale at $439.00 to make it up to the clients who were complaining and come CLOSER price-wise.

The manufacturer called me and told me that I was basically going to be cut off and to remove the product from my website.

Soooo.. moral of the story is, I got in trouble for trying to help the client who already knew the pricing was an issue. Am I losing clients? Yes. Would I be willing to sell for less? Yes.

Irregardless, I am not going to spend 15K+ more on my new car in Canada.. i'm bringing my business to the US.

I guess we can all agree that the fact of the matter is... "that's life"

[shoprbccom]

I guess we can all agree that the fact of the matter is... "that's life"

Actually.. no.. in my business case, it's call price fixing and it is illegal in Canada. It's not justified.

[Van G]

If I were to trade my car in here in Ontario, I would only pay taxes on the difference between purchase price and trade in value.

If I sell my car privately, then purchase a vehicle in the US, is it possible to have the same application of tax?

Seems to be a bit of favouritism for dealerships, but I suppose that my trade in vehicle will be sold again for same or higher value with taxes collected at some point.

[toolman]

Did you even read what I posted? I own a Sienna, not a Subaru. I never even mentioned Subaru except to point out that a previous poster had also misunderstood my comments.

To put it simply, I own a Sienna, I don't like it at all, and I would never buy another one. If you like it, good for you.

Sorry for the misunderstanding...What i was trying to say is that the Sienna is the only minivan that will work for me. I never had more than a test drive in one so i can not say that i will like it but am sure it is a lot better than the old Dodge Caravan that i am driving right now.

[frankmp]

The RIV list was updated on October 9th.

The following manufacturers' 2008 models are now listed as admissible for import:

Aston Martin
Audi
BMW
Chrysler
Ferrari
Ford
Hyundai
Jaguar
Kia
Maserati
Mazda
Mini
Mitsubishi
Nissan
Subaru
Volkswagen

Of course, Toyota and Honda are NOT on the list yet. [sigh]

Nor GM:(

[frankmp]

I talked/emailed to riv.ca "

What? I know the Lexus 2008 IS 350 is identifical to the 2007 Lexus IS 350 except it has better rims, a coin holder, and better steering control. Everything else is the same.

I will email Lexus USA.

RIV does'nt know when a particular vehicle becomes admissible. They post when the manufacturer decides to send them their 08 admissibility letter. Take GM 2008 models; of course most of the models are identical to the 07 models........I think it's a delay some manufacturers are doing to slow new model importation..............

Frank

[bly]

Actually.. no.. in my business case, it's call price fixing and it is illegal in Canada. It's not justified.

If it's illegal in Canada, why is it done? Because they can and that again... is "life."

[CheapScotsman]

If it's illegal in Canada, why is it done? Because they can and that again... is "life."Not only that, if it is illegal then get the documentation and sue them in court for damages and penalties.

[HighFlyer]

Just flew back on an Air Canada international flight. They showed the news which had a significant segment on the price disparities of cars/trucks in Canada and the US. So this story is now spreading around the world :cheesygri

[smokiebk]

Has anyone out there imported a used car that has a lien on it??

From what I understand, the seller has to pay off the loan (with my money most likely), the title holder (bank) will then mail the original title to the seller, who will then sign it over to the buyer. This whole process can take weeks.

I've never bought a car in Canada, let alone the U.S. with a lien on it, so i'm not familiar with the process. I'm contemplating a car with this scenario, so I want to know what I'm getting into. What my plan is, is to go down, make the deal with the guy (go with him to his bank), then drive the car to a friend's place, and park it until I receive the title and complete all the importing docs, etc.

Can anyone enlighten me? Anything I can do to protect myself? Thanks!!

[PHANTOMPHOENIX]

So this story is now spreading around the world :cheesygri

Apparently it is....I spoke to my parents on the phone today and they asked me if I could get a car imported from the US for them.

Some of you will be getting some pms from me

;)

[jadeboy]

RIV does'nt know when a particular vehicle becomes admissible. They post when the manufacturer decides to send them their 08 admissibility letter. Take GM 2008 models; of course most of the models are identical to the 07 models........I think it's a delay some manufacturers are doing to slow new model importation..............

Frank

Thanks... fine.. but can I still import the vehicle and wait upto the maximum of 45 days and hope they have it on their list?

[yyz2hkg]

Thanks... fine.. but can I still import the vehicle and wait upto the maximum of 45 days and hope they have it on their list?

so what happens after the 45 days, and your vehicle still isn't on the list? You're stuck with a non-importable vehicle? Isn't that a big chance you're taking?

[Kamloops]

Has anyone out there imported a used car that has a lien on it??

From what I understand, the seller has to pay off the loan (with my money most likely), the title holder (bank) will then mail the original title to the seller, who will then sign it over to the buyer. This whole process can take weeks.

I've never bought a car in Canada, let alone the U.S. with a lien on it, so i'm not familiar with the process. I'm contemplating a car with this scenario, so I want to know what I'm getting into. What my plan is, is to go down, make the deal with the guy (go with him to his bank), then drive the car to a friend's place, and park it until I receive the title and complete all the importing docs, etc.

Can anyone enlighten me? Anything I can do to protect myself? Thanks!!

You need the title signed over to you but if the bank has it can be a problem but not always. get the seller to see if when you pay him at the bank they will hand over the title on the spot. If they cant what they can do if give you an affidavit letter saying the car is paid off, you can then go to the DMV with the seller and get a new title in minutes.

When I buy cars I find it easier if I just buy from someone that has title in hand. But the deals are better if they owe money on it as alot of times they just want out of the obligation.

Also as for the 72 hr thing, even if the bacnk has the title the seller may be able to get a copy to fax to USA customs

[ADHR21]

Well, looks like even Toyota dealers in Florida are getting cold feet. Use to be Snow Birds were sought after clients but corporate is putting a stop to it.

Anyways, had a 2008 Toyota Sienna XLE all lined up and the dealer sent me a no-can-do email on Wednesday (was all set to fly down on Monday and take my time (3 days) to come back up). Really pissed me off.

Well Toyota, @#$%-You. Sitting in my driveway, is a brand new, 2007 Honda Odyssey Touring :D I picked up in Ohio. I made sure to take pictures of me picking it up stateside (with lots of American flags in the background), again at the border and e-mailed them to my local dealership.

I might not have a valid warranty in Canada but with the $10k I saved and general Honda reliability, not sure I need a warranty anyway.

WELL DONE WELL DONE
HONDA IS VERY RELIABLE
TOYOTA----#@%$ YOU

[JWL]

Has anyone out there imported a used car that has a lien on it??

From what I understand, the seller has to pay off the loan (with my money most likely), the title holder (bank) will then mail the original title to the seller, who will then sign it over to the buyer. This whole process can take weeks.

I've never bought a car in Canada, let alone the U.S. with a lien on it, so i'm not familiar with the process. I'm contemplating a car with this scenario, so I want to know what I'm getting into. What my plan is, is to go down, make the deal with the guy (go with him to his bank), then drive the car to a friend's place, and park it until I receive the title and complete all the importing docs, etc.

Can anyone enlighten me? Anything I can do to protect myself? Thanks!!

Take care to make sure that the bank can and will remove the lien on the spot. Cdn banks can take forever to do this.

[JWL]

He told me .... that it's US prices that should rise, not CDN prices that should be lowered.

There is some truth to this statement. The change in FX rates is more about the US$ dropping than the Cdn$ surging. So if the products are produced (including materials) in the US, they should stay the same price in the US and become cheaper in Canada. If they are produced outside NA, they should become more expensive in the US but stay the same in Canada.

P.S. Are you now going to change your nickname to HondaPablo?

[jnmontario]

Monday morning, still no update on RIV. Want a Prius...... *grrrrr*

[tkooistra]

When at US Customs or Canadian Customs, do you need the recall Letter at that point?

Or just for the federal inspection?

What documents do you need for US customs or do they want to see?
-Faxed/Legible Ownership 72hours prior
-Title/Ownership Original
-Insurance
-State 3day Trip License?
-License/Passport?
-Recall Letter?
-They check VIN and mfg plate of the car?

Anything else?

What documents do you need for Canada customs or what do they want to see?
-Export document from US Customs
-Title/Ownership Original
-Insurance
-License/Passport?
-Recall Letter?
-They check VIN and mfg plate of car?

Anything else?

TIA

[huskylord]

I see Honda and Toyota getting alot of negative vibes for their warranty stances. Does Mazda or Nissan have easier importing policies from a Canadian perspective?

[DSTU]

There is some truth to this statement. The change in FX rates is more about the US$ dropping than the Cdn$ surging. So if the products are produced (including materials) in the US, they should stay the same price in the US and become cheaper in Canada. If they are produced outside NA, they should become more expensive in the US but stay the same in Canada.

P.S. Are you now going to change your nickname to HondaPablo?

I was at a Toyota Dealer recently.

The salesperson stated that don't be fooled by the price diff in the US - they will start going up to match our prices...LOL

What a load of Malarky - at most they will go up is $1000. There is no way that the US economy will support rising car prices.

[googz]

I see Honda and Toyota getting alot of negative vibes for their warranty stances. Does Mazda or Nissan have easier importing policies from a Canadian perspective?

No and Yes (sort-of)...Mazda apparently doesn't support the warranty and Nissan does only if the car has been registered in the U.S. for 6 months before being imported to Canada (though at least one person on this thread has said that they had no problem bringing their U.S. purchased Nissan in for warranty service to a Canadian Nissan dealership when they had imported the new car without having it registered for 6 months in the U.S.).

Here's a link to warranty info:

http://www.apa.ca/template.asp?DocID=253

[elmst200]

saying clearance event is on, saving up to $8k per vehicle....

It seems that Subaru of Canada is acting to the right direction....

[michelb]

Absolutely. If I'm not mistaken, you have 45 days to import. If you can't import it, I suspect you're really screwed (from Canada Border Services Agency website (http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/E/pub/cp/bsf5048/bsf5048-eng.html )):


I cannot import my vehicle

If you arrive at a CBSA office and your vehicle does not meet the requirements of both the CBSA and Transport Canada, you must either export or destroy your vehicle under the CBSA's supervision. You are responsible for all the related costs. In addition, duties and GST will not be refunded.

Remember that it is your responsibility to meet all import requirements. Call the CBSA and Transport Canada (or the RIV) before you attempt to import your vehicle.


As a Canadian citizen, I'm not sure if you can re-import it into the US so I'm not really sure what options you have (other than destroying it ...)

-- update --

A while ago, someone had asked if you get the fees and GST back. Here it clearly states that you don't ...

Thanks... fine.. but can I still import the vehicle and wait upto the maximum of 45 days and hope they have it on their list?

so what happens after the 45 days, and your vehicle still isn't on the list? You're stuck with a non-importable vehicle? Isn't that a big chance you're taking?

As mentioned a while ago, according to the Canada Border Agency website, after 45 days, you need to export the vehicle (not sure what this means or if you can do it (since you're not a US citizen, you might not be able to import back into the US) or destroy.

Seems crazy to take a chance like that (unless you have money to burn but if you do, you're better off just buying the car in Canada to begin with ...)

[michelb]

saying clearance event is on, saving up to $8k per vehicle....

It seems that Subaru of Canada is acting to the right direction....

What are the details of the clearance? If it's $8k off a 2007, that's not really a deal; that car is 1 year old and it's pretty much worth $8k less (even if it's new).

[foxdog]

Just called RIV about my form 2 and the lady told me that my recall letter is rejected because it's a typein not a print out? Does anybody know the difference between a typein and a print out?

[ymlccc]

What are the details of the clearance? If it's $8k off a 2007, that's not really a deal; that car is 1 year old and it's pretty much worth $8k less (even if it's new).

yup, plus I guess they are demo cars... some of them already have almost 10,000km on them already. I was totally pissed off by some of my local dealers trying to sell me a 2007 impreza wagon with 8K-10K km for 24,000+tax... get the hell out, with the same amount of $$+ a little bit more, I can get an 2008 outback 2.5i limited with options I want or WRX, or Legacy GT...

[Bullseye]

saying clearance event is on, saving up to $8k per vehicle....

It seems that Subaru of Canada is acting to the right direction....

I've just e-mailed a salesperson at a Canadian Subaru dealership that I spoke with. I gave her the price I can get an Outback for on the U.S., and asked how close they can get to it. Even if they can get within $2k of it, I'll buy with them over the U.S.

I'll go to the U.S. if needed (and I imagine I'll need to), but $2k is not worth the gas, time, potential insurance issue, financing inconvience, warranty issue, and potential re-sale value loss.

I'll post again when I hear back, let's see how good this clearance sale actually is.

[Louist]

Perhaps the car with 8k off is an imported Subaru they saved 15k on. I would think it pretty easy for a dealership to bring a US spec car and then change the dash/any other cues to make it exactly like the Canadian spec...and make more coin on the deal than selling a regular Canadian spec off their lot. We need some disclosure from an expert that can do some digging on these cars to find out where they actually came from.

As an aside I know a person that bough a US Rental from a dealer in Canada, and it had been converted...no one would ever have known it was a US spec car. That is until they thried to trade it in on a Mazda...and found out from Mazda that the Jeep was a US rental, and not a Canadian used car.

Knowing that prices will sort themselves out, either buy US now, or hold off and wait....either way the extremely low demand in Canada will have the desired effect. 2 months of no new car sales and the differential problem will be narrowed....think we can convince everyone to wait 2 months for the next purchase? (of course there is no talk of price reductions from the car makers, or everyone would do just that..wait for it too happen, with no sales till they did the drop)

[jabelone]

Not only that, if it is illegal then get the documentation and sue them in court for damages and penalties.

What's your problem scotsman?

You keep telling everyone they should sue if they think there is something wrong. Do you think the average Canadian has the time or money to hire lawyers and go through that process? If you think everything is just fine and you don't want to hear people complaining about this subject, go flame some other forum.

[ggweci]

What are the details of the clearance? If it's $8k off a 2007, that's not really a deal; that car is 1 year old and it's pretty much worth $8k less (even if it's new).

I think the $8K off applies to clearance '07 mode Tribecas. So not as good as a deal as one would be led to believe.

I've just e-mailed a salesperson at a Canadian Subaru dealership that I spoke with. I gave her the price I can get an Outback for on the U.S., and asked how close they can get to it. Even if they can get within $2k of it, I'll buy with them over the U.S.

I'll go to the U.S. if needed (and I imagine I'll need to), but $2k is not worth the gas, time, potential insurance issue, financing inconvience, warranty issue, and potential re-sale value loss.

I'll post again when I hear back, let's see how good this clearance sale actually is.

Hmm, interesting... be really interested to see how low they will go. But, I highly doubt they will move more than $3K on an '08 model... so the savings in the US would still be huge.

[Bullseye]

Hmm, interesting... be really interested to see how low they will go. But, I highly doubt they will move more than $3K on an '08 model... so the savings in the US would still be huge.

Someone posted a couple pages back about a Cdn dealer dropping the price $8k on an Outback, so we'll see.

[ymlccc]

no worry, they will try to use "US Subaru warranty is not covered in Canada" or it's a hassle to get warranty repair for US subaru cars...

[ggweci]

Someone posted a couple pages back about a Cdn dealer dropping the price $8k on an Outback, so we'll see.

Was that on an '08? That would be awesome if they did. Hopefully you get a good answer.

[anony]

no worry, they will try to use "US Subaru warranty is not covered in Canada" or it's a hassle to get warranty repair for US subaru cars...

I read that owners can send repair bills by dealers in Canada to Subaru US for reimbursement. Anyone tried this yet?

[VWPablo]

There is some truth to this statement. The change in FX rates is more about the US$ dropping than the Cdn$ surging. So if the products are produced (including materials) in the US, they should stay the same price in the US and become cheaper in Canada. If they are produced outside NA, they should become more expensive in the US but stay the same in Canada.

Except that the US is a much larger market sustainable in itself. They won't change their pricing because the CDN $ moves. This makes it a CDN dealer problem.



P.S. Are you now going to change your nickname to HondaPablo?

No, I'm still keeping my baby :cheesygri (VW Passat Wagon TDI). The Honda is for my wife to haul the rugrats. We're expecting twins anytime now bringing the total to 4 kids. Unfortunately, I couldn't get away with a sub-compact anymore.

[elviswhite]

Do you have to pay the 6.1% duty on a car that is from a German manufacturer (BMW X5 or Z4) but made in the USA (South Carolina)?

[VWPablo]

Do you have to pay the 6.1% duty on a car that is from a German manufacturer (BMW X5 or Z4) but made in the USA (South Carolina)?

If it's made in the US and has a VIN # starting with a number (1-5), then no, duty won't apply.

However, depending on how much of the vehicle may have been preassembled or made in Germany, the VIN # may start with a letter, in that case, duty will apply.

[VladK]

Do you have to pay the 6.1% duty on a car that is from a German manufacturer (BMW X5 or Z4) but made in the USA (South Carolina)?

If vin # starts with a letter then you have to pay, means it was made outside NA and if it starts with a number then you dont.

If it was built in US then you should not have to pay duty.

[diigii]

(though at least one person on this thread has said that they had no problem bringing their U.S. purchased Nissan in for warranty service to a Canadian Nissan dealership when they had imported the new car without having it registered for 6 months in the U.S.).

Here's a link to warranty info:

http://www.apa.ca/template.asp?DocID=253

That would be me! Canadian Nissan dealerships will perform US warranty work on your US bought cars. So if two GTA-area dealerships from the east-end and west-end will do warranty work, pretty much all the Nissan dealerships will do it. Just go to the closest dealership where you live or work and ask their Service Dept if they will do it. You'd be surprised to hear it coming from them, not from Nissan Canada!

[diigii]

As an aside I know a person that bough a US Rental from a dealer in Canada, and it had been converted...no one would ever have known it was a US spec car. That is until they thried to trade it in on a Mazda...and found out from Mazda that the Jeep was a US rental, and not a Canadian used car.



This person should take that dealer to court for fraud if the dealer sold the Jeep without disclosing it was a US-spec vehicle and all the modifications done.

[johnsa]

I do not think this question has been addressed..I want to do the Export paperwork at Champlain near Montreal with US Customs, but then drive to Cornwall and do the IMPORT there..RIV and GST, etc..I can't think of any reason this would not be possible...Any comments??

(I am trying to get through to Canada Border Services, but their damn lines are too tied up with people from RFD wanting to import cars!!!

[Ebola]

I do not think this question has been addressed..I want to do the Export paperwork at Champlain near Montreal with US Customs, but then drive to Cornwall and do the IMPORT there..RIV and GST, etc..I can't think of any reason this would not be possible...Any comments??

(I am trying to get through to Canada Border Services, but their damn lines are too tied up with people from RFD wanting to import cars!!!

No problems there, as long as you have your title in hand, doesn't matter where the export check was done.

[shopper-X]

If it's made in the US and has a VIN # starting with a number (1-5), then no, duty won't apply.

However, depending on how much of the vehicle may have been preassembled or made in Germany, the VIN # may start with a letter, in that case, duty will apply.

If vin # starts with a letter then you have to pay, means it was made outside NA and if it starts with a number then you dont.

If it was built in US then you should not have to pay duty.

If the VIN Starts with:
1 = USA
2 = Canada
3 = Mexico
4 = USA
5 = USA
All these are non-duty VIN's.

If it starts with ANY letter, you will have to pay duty @ 6.1% on the Canadian converted value.

[shopper-X]

That would be me! Canadian Nissan dealerships will perform US warranty work on your US bought cars. So if two GTA-area dealerships from the east-end and west-end will do warranty work, pretty much all the Nissan dealerships will do it. Just go to the closest dealership where you live or work and ask their Service Dept if they will do it. You'd be surprised to hear it coming from them, not from Nissan Canada!

Diigii, I think Nissan has changed the warranty section in 2008 Owners Manual's. A friend at work wants a 2008 Altima Coupe and was told by Nissan USA, Nissan Canada, and the local dealer that it MUST be registered in the US for atleast 6 months before the warranty is valid in Canada.
He is looking in to a 3rd party warranty to see if it's going to be cost effective.

[diigii]

Diigii, I think Nissan has changed the warranty section in 2008 Owners Manual's. A friend at work wants a 2008 Altima Coupe and was told by Nissan USA, Nissan Canada, and the local dealer that it MUST be registered in the US for atleast 6 months before the warranty is valid in Canada.
He is looking in to a 3rd party warranty to see if it's going to be cost effective.

Is that so? I guess they're clamping down too then. But it also stated the same condition for model year 2007 in the 2007 Owner's Manual, that the car must be registered in the US for 6 months.

In that case, if your friend says that for his 2008 coupe, then I guess that it is. the case for 2008 Nissan's. I guess we're one of the lucky ones to have bought 2007's where the warranty is not an issue with local dealers, as is the case with your 2007 B9. Congratulations on your new B9. I love the color and front fascia!

[PHANTOMPHOENIX]

I read that owners can send repair bills by dealers in Canada to Subaru US for reimbursement. Anyone tried this yet?

+1

I would like to know this too.

I am looking at Subarus too

I am wondering how much of a difference there is between Canadian and US Subaru dealers in charging for repairs. Afterall, the difference would be coming out of my pocket.

[jingyu]

Does Cornwall US custom accept fxed document or just true copy only? I will need to send to them by myself if they need true copied? Thanks.

No problems there, as long as you have your title in hand, doesn't matter where the export check was done.

[shopper-X]

Is that so? I guess they're clamping down too then. But it also stated the same condition for model year 2007 in the 2007 Owner's Manual, that the car must be registered in the US for 6 months.

In that case, if your friend says that for his 2008 coupe, then I guess that it is. the case for 2008 Nissan's. I guess we're one of the lucky ones to have bought 2007's where the warranty is not an issue with local dealers, as is the case with your 2007 B9. Congratulations on your new B9. I love the color and front fascia!

Thanks again.
Here is a link the 2008 Altima Coupe Warranty Booklet found on http://www.altimacoupe.com/: Link (http://www.altimacoupe.com/download/08-coupe-WG.pdf)


WHO IS THE WARRANTOR
Nissan1 warrants all parts of your 2008 Nissan vehicle supplied
by Nissan, except for those listed elsewhere under the caption
“WHAT IS NOT COVERED.”

APPLICABILITY
■ This warranty is provided to the original and subsequent
owner(s) of a Nissan vehicle originally distributed by Nissan
which is originally sold by a Nissan authorized Nissan
dealership in the United States, and which is registered
in the U.S. and normally operated in the United States
(including Alaska and Hawaii), the United States territories
(specifi cally Guam, Saipan, American Samoa, Puerto Rico
and the U.S. Virgin Islands), and Canada.

■ This warranty is generally transferable from the original
‘owner other than a Nissan dealer’ (OWNER) to
subsequent owners of the vehicle at any time ownership of
the vehicle is transferred, without any action on your part;
except that this warranty is not transferable but is instead
void if during the first six months after delivery to the original
OWNER: (1) ownership of the vehicle is transferred from
the original OWNER, and (2) the vehicle is registered
outside of the United States.

[bxconst]

I am trying to import a 2008 Camry from US. However, because it is not on the RIV list yet, I was wondering if it is maybe possible to buy it, bring it to Canada, but not register it ? So maybe keep it in the garage for a couple of weeks until the RIV list gets updated ...

My thinking is that, with Toyota clamping down on the dealers, I might not find a dealer willing to sell by the time the RIV list is updated.

Also, does anybody has any insight on when the RIV list might get updated ?

Thanks a lot for any responses !

[VWPablo]

I am trying to import a 2008 Camry from US. However, because it is not on the RIV list yet, I was wondering if it is maybe possible to buy it, bring it to Canada, but not register it ? So maybe keep it in the garage for a couple of weeks until the RIV list gets updated ...

My thinking is that, with Toyota clamping down on the dealers, I might not find a dealer willing to sell by the time the RIV list is updated.

Also, does anybody has any insight on when the RIV list might get updated ?

Thanks a lot for any responses !

Contact Transport Canada, they own the list, not RIV.

As far as I know, all 2008 Toyota and Honda products meet the standards. When I contacted Transport Canada for a 2008 Toyota Sienna XLE, TC informed me that it met specifications. RIV confirmed it over the phone.

[scrolllock]

My Form 1 was sent by the canadian import office at the border this wednesday, thursday at noon I sent my recall letter to RIV and called them at 6pm the same day to ask if they had received everything and gave them my email. The RIV lady told me that I would receive Form 2 by the end of that day, but I didnt since they didnt spell my email correctly. Called them Friday at 6pm and the guy sent me live on phone Form 2 to my correct email address. I received it right away. So, short answer: You gonna wait 1 day of you call them and give them your email.

On a side note, I just cant beleive they mispelled my email since its my full name, the same that it is on Form 1, suffixe with @gmail.com!

Anyway got Form 2, went to crappy tire (Le Corbusier, Laval) at 7pm at the clerck didnt even know if they were doing the Fed Inspection on night shift...They didnt!


Does the RIV now send Form 2 by e-mail? How did you get it so fast?

Thanks for your help.

[PHANTOMPHOENIX]

Contact Transport Canada, they own the list, not RIV.

As far as I know, all 2008 Toyota and Honda products meet the standards. When I contacted Transport Canada for a 2008 Toyota Sienna XLE, TC informed me that it met specifications. RIV confirmed it over the phone.

Does your local Toyota dealer honour the warranty?

[bobsyouruncle]

Does the RIV now send Form 2 by e-mail? How did you get it so fast?

Thanks for your help.

After RIV has received your payment, form 1 and recall letter you can call them and request that form 2 be emailed to you.

My experience was that RIV is very busy these days and it took two days after I faxed my recall clearance letter to get my form 2. Even when I called them and they said they would email the form within the hour it took about six hours for the email to arrive.

[elviswhite]

If the VIN Starts with:
1 = USA
2 = Canada
3 = Mexico
4 = USA
5 = USA
All these are non-duty VIN's.

If it starts with ANY letter, you will have to pay duty @ 6.1% on the Canadian converted value.


Thanks for the info. All 07 X5s start with the number 4.

[johnsa]

Port Information
Port Code: 0212
Location Address: Interstate 89 at the Border
Highgate Springs, VT 05460
Mailing Address: 480 Welcome Center Road
Swanton, VT 05488
General Phone: (802) 868-2778
General Fax: (802) 868-2373
Operational Hours: Twenty Four (24) Hours A Day
Seven Days A Week (7)


An Officer from this crossing south on Montreal told me today that they can export PERSONAL vehicles 24/7..only commercial has mon-friday hrs...

Call to confirm if this is one that works for you..

[ymlccc]

guys, which car rental company allow you to drive from Canada and return the car in States?? Sorry.. for such simple question.

[Bincent]

Not sure if anyone knows this and I'm not sure if this is the right place to be asking this, but I was wondering if anyone can comment on some of my questions since one of the questions involve the option of purchasing a vehicle from the States:

- I've got a part-time business and I'm also in the market for a new (or slightly used) vehicle. Now the question is, should I lease or buy? Does it make a difference accounting wise in the end? I'll be using it partially for business and partially for personal use.

For example, if you lease a vehicle for 4 years vs. buying a vehicle and selling it when 4 years rolls around. Are there any further tax savings that can be realized through leasing vs. financing?

I know that with Leasing, you can just write off the entire lease cost. With Financing however, you have to use a depreciation model but I'm not sure if this is better/worse off at the end of the term.


- Now if I choose to buy, considering that some of the Financing rates here in Canada could be 0% now for some vehicles, at what point do savings become negligible since you would have to take out a LOC (from a bank which is around 7.25%) to buy from the States? As shown in the chart below, over a 4 year term on a $30K vehicle, you'd have to be saving at least $8700 (0% financing vs. 7.25% LOC).


Interest Cost Over 4 yr Term
0% = 0
0.9% = $1080
1.9% = $2280
2.9% = $3480
4.9% = $5880
7.25% = $8700

[JWL]

Not sure if anyone knows this and I'm not sure if this is the right place to be asking this, but I was wondering if anyone can comment on some of my questions since one of the questions involve the option of purchasing a vehicle from the States:

- I've got a part-time business and I'm also in the market for a new (or slightly used) vehicle. Now the question is, should I lease or buy? Does it make a difference accounting wise in the end? I'll be using it partially for business and partially for personal use.

For example, if you lease a vehicle for 4 years vs. buying a vehicle and selling it when 4 years rolls around. Are there any further tax savings that can be realized through leasing vs. financing?

I know that with Leasing, you can just write off the entire lease cost. With Financing however, you have to use a depreciation model but I'm not sure if this is better/worse off at the end of the term.


- Now if I choose to buy, considering that some of the Financing rates here in Canada could be 0% now for some vehicles, at what point do savings become negligible since you would have to take out a LOC (from a bank which is around 7.25%) to buy from the States? As shown in the chart below, over a 4 year term on a $30K vehicle, you'd have to be saving at least $8700 (0% financing vs. 7.25% LOC).


Interest Cost Over 4 yr Term
0% = 0
0.9% = $1080
1.9% = $2280
2.9% = $3480
4.9% = $5880
7.25% = $8700

Personal Finance Forum is the right place for your question. You can get lots of help there.

[smpmush]

Not sure if anyone knows this and I'm not sure if this is the right place to be asking this, but I was wondering if anyone can comment on some of my questions since one of the questions involve the option of purchasing a vehicle from the States:

- I've got a part-time business and I'm also in the market for a new (or slightly used) vehicle. Now the question is, should I lease or buy? Does it make a difference accounting wise in the end? I'll be using it partially for business and partially for personal use.

For example, if you lease a vehicle for 4 years vs. buying a vehicle and selling it when 4 years rolls around. Are there any further tax savings that can be realized through leasing vs. financing?

I know that with Leasing, you can just write off the entire lease cost. With Financing however, you have to use a depreciation model but I'm not sure if this is better/worse off at the end of the term.


- Now if I choose to buy, considering that some of the Financing rates here in Canada could be 0% now for some vehicles, at what point do savings become negligible since you would have to take out a LOC (from a bank which is around 7.25%) to buy from the States? As shown in the chart below, over a 4 year term on a $30K vehicle, you'd have to be saving at least $8700 (0% financing vs. 7.25% LOC).


Interest Cost Over 4 yr Term
0% = 0
0.9% = $1080
1.9% = $2280
2.9% = $3480
4.9% = $5880
7.25% = $8700

You realize in MOST cases if you take the 0% financing rate you will lose any cash backs and incentives there might be???? Have you figured that into the equation.. ???

[diigii]

guys, which car rental company allow you to drive from Canada and return the car in States?? Sorry.. for such simple question.

None of the rental companies I checked here in Canada would allow a one-way rental from any points in Canada to the US. What I did was rent a one-way rental in Buffalo International Airport and drove to Maryland, where I left the rental car, and drove back to Canada with my newly-purchased car.

[JWL]

Thanks again.
Here is a link the 2008 Altima Coupe Warranty Booklet found on http://www.altimacoupe.com/: Link (http://www.altimacoupe.com/download/08-coupe-WG.pdf)

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2008 Altima Coupe Warranty Booklet
WHO IS THE WARRANTOR
Nissan1 warrants all parts of your 2008 Nissan vehicle supplied
by Nissan, except for those listed elsewhere under the caption
“WHAT IS NOT COVERED.”

APPLICABILITY
■ This warranty is provided to the original and subsequent
owner(s) of a Nissan vehicle originally distributed by Nissan
which is originally sold by a Nissan authorized Nissan
dealership in the United States, and which is registered
in the U.S. and normally operated in the United States
(including Alaska and Hawaii), the United States territories
(specifi cally Guam, Saipan, American Samoa, Puerto Rico
and the U.S. Virgin Islands), and Canada.

■ This warranty is generally transferable from the original
‘owner other than a Nissan dealer’ (OWNER) to
subsequent owners of the vehicle at any time ownership of
the vehicle is transferred, without any action on your part;
except that this warranty is not transferable but is instead
void if during the first six months after delivery to the original
OWNER: (1) ownership of the vehicle is transferred from
the original OWNER, and (2) the vehicle is registered
outside of the United States.

The first part says that the warranty is valid if the vehicle is registered in the US and operated in US....and Canada. If you purchase a vehicle in the US and get temporary taggs/plates is it considered registered in the US?

The second part only speaks to transferability of the warranty from the original owner. So if you import a new vehicle into Canada AND sell it, then the warranty is VOID. Or if you buy a used vehicle less than 6 months old and import it, then the warranty is VOID.

[Bullseye]

None of the rental companies I checked here in Canada would allow a one-way rental from any points in Canada to the US. .

A co-worker just rented a car from Hertz in Mississauga and drove it straight to Rochester one way to pick up his new car. Under $200.

[VWPablo]

Does your local Toyota dealer honour the warranty?

It would have been if I purchased a Toyota. In the end I got a Honda Odyssey instead.

[Bullseye]

Someone else I talked to about U.S. buying mentioned that he saved the GST or PST (I forget which it was) by leaving his new car in the U.S. for three months before bringing it up. The logic is that in the ministry's eyes, he didn't buy the vehicle to import, but owned it down in the U.S. and simply moved up here.

I didn't have time to get the details, but this could save a substantial amount of money if done right. Anyone know the details on this?

[stock_junkie]

Yeah but a Sienna falls under MPV (section 5) which means it's admissable right away. A Camry falls under a passenger vehicle (section 3) and therefore you have to wait until the 2008's are added to the RIV list.

Contact Transport Canada, they own the list, not RIV.

As far as I know, all 2008 Toyota and Honda products meet the standards. When I contacted Transport Canada for a 2008 Toyota Sienna XLE, TC informed me that it met specifications. RIV confirmed it over the phone.

[Ebola]

Someone else I talked to about U.S. buying mentioned that he saved the GST or PST (I forget which it was) by leaving his new car in the U.S. for three months before bringing it up. The logic is that in the ministry's eyes, he didn't buy the vehicle to import, but owned it down in the U.S. and simply moved up here.

I didn't have time to get the details, but this could save a substantial amount of money if done right. Anyone know the details on this?

I don't know what the ministry would do,

but if he bought a new car, left it in the US for 3 months, then brought it up to import, he's still paying GST and RIV Import fee when he crosses into Canada.

The only way you get to bring in a car you bought elsewhere tax free into Canada is if the value of the car is under $10k (red book value) and you are a returning resident to Canada.

Meaning you previously had residency here, moved away, established residency somewhere else for minimum of one year, and now you are coming back. Under the returning resident exemption there is a $10k exemption on each item you bring back with you.

That being said, that exemption doesnt apply to items purchased in the last 6 months prior to returning to Canada.. and the items have to have have actually been owned, possessed and used during the time abroad. AS usual, the items (vehicle) must be with the person at the time of re-entry.

All this is detailed in the exciting tariff 9805.00.00 of the Customs D Memoranda , for those familiar with the D-Memos under D-2-3-2.

[HighFlyer]

guys, which car rental company allow you to drive from Canada and return the car in States?? Sorry.. for such simple question.
As mentioned, Hertz does. I have done YYZ-BUF rentals a few times for under $150. Sometimes they have specials for under $80 all incl if they have a bunch of US plated cars sitting around here doing nothing. (they're not allowed to rent it out for domestic Canadian rentals)

[scrolllock]

Does your local Toyota dealer honour the warranty?

Contact Transport Canada, they own the list, not RIV.

As far as I know, all 2008 Toyota and Honda products meet the standards. When I contacted Transport Canada for a 2008 Toyota Sienna XLE, TC informed me that it met specifications. RIV confirmed it over the phone.

So if Transport Canada says that all 2008 Hondas and toyotas are ok to import, and the folks you are talking to at the RIV state that all is ok, then why is the RIV website not updated to reflect this??

[bxconst]

Contact Transport Canada, they own the list, not RIV.

As far as I know, all 2008 Toyota and Honda products meet the standards. When I contacted Transport Canada for a 2008 Toyota Sienna XLE, TC informed me that it met specifications. RIV confirmed it over the phone.

I contacted Transport Canada but they told me the vehicle HAS to be on the approved list in order for me to import it. Otherwise I might be turned back at the border.

The Sienna is in a different category (SUV/VANS) in the list, tthat is why it is admissible as of now.

Did anybody actually managed to import a 2008 Toyota Camry ?

[diigii]

A co-worker just rented a car from Hertz in Mississauga and drove it straight to Rochester one way to pick up his new car. Under $200.

I tried to reserve from Avis, Hertz, Discount, and National from their websites and they don't allow one-way trans-border rental. This was in August 2007.

[HighFlyer]

I tried to reserve from Avis, Hertz, Discount, and National from their websites and they don't allow one-way trans-border rental. This was in August 2007.

I just did a dummy booking for next week at Hertz and got:


Your Quote
You have selected a Ford Taurus 4-door or similar

Full-Size 2-4 Door
1 day at 80.09 CAD

With Unlimited Free Kilometers
Total Including Approximate Charges: 106.72 CAD

Plan Trip

Pick-Up Location:
Lester B. Pearson International Airport, Toronto Airport, Toronto, OT, CA
Location Type: Corporate
Terminal 1,2,3: 06:00- 01:00

Return Location:
Buffalo Niagara International Airport, 4200 Genesee Street, Buffalo, NY, US
Location Type: Corporate


Mo-Fr 0600-0100 Sa-Su 0700-0100


Pick-Up: Tue, Oct 23, 2007 at 10:00 AM
Return: Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 10:00 AM

Arrival Information:
Airline: No Arrival Info

[Bullseye]

I tried to reserve from Avis, Hertz, Discount, and National from their websites and they don't allow one-way trans-border rental. This was in August 2007.

I think he called them. At any rate, I'm holding the receipt in my hand for the rental, so it's definitely possible.

[Kocur]

Does anyone know of any US HONDA dealers that will still sell to Canadians?
Please PM me if you know of any. Thank in advance,
Kocur

[diigii]

I just did a dummy booking for next week at Hertz and got:

Try doing a Maryland return location and see what it will give you. I don't know why it didn't give a reservation when I did it. Maybe it was the distance.

[HighFlyer]

Try doing a Maryland return location and see what it will give you. I don't know why it didn't give a reservation when I did it. Maybe it was the distance.

You would probably have to break it down into two separate rentals.... YYZ to BUF, and then BUF to MD. I haven't tried pricing it out, but that's how I would approach it.

[ymlccc]

Geez, from Montreal to Manchester costs 245$ a day from Herts??? damn that's expensive...

[HighFlyer]

Geez, from Montreal to Manchester costs 245$ a day from Herts??? damn that's expensive...

One way rentals, particularly transborder ones, are expensive to operate for a rental agency. If a car is brought across the border, an agency cannot rent the car out again unless the next renter is bringing it back to the home country. Until another cross border renter is found, the car sits idle in a rental agency's lot instead of earning revenue. And after a certain time period has passed, the car must be shipped back at the agency's expense.

[diigii]

Geez, from Montreal to Manchester costs 245$ a day from Herts??? damn that's expensive...

Highflyer is right. Why not asked to be driven across the border where you can pick up a one-way rental and go from there.

Try Alamo. I went with them last August. But you have to return it to where you indicated in the reservation. If you return it to a different location, they will charge you extra $75 for the recovery concession. Avis does not charge extra if returned to a different location.

[alex_sauvage126]

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2008 Altima Coupe Warranty Booklet
WHO IS THE WARRANTOR
Nissan1 warrants all parts of your 2008 Nissan vehicle supplied
by Nissan, except for those listed elsewhere under the caption
“WHAT IS NOT COVERED.”

APPLICABILITY
■ This warranty is provided to the original and subsequent
owner(s) of a Nissan vehicle originally distributed by Nissan
which is originally sold by a Nissan authorized Nissan
dealership in the United States, and which is registered
in the U.S. and normally operated in the United States
(including Alaska and Hawaii), the United States territories
(specifi cally Guam, Saipan, American Samoa, Puerto Rico
and the U.S. Virgin Islands), and Canada.

■ This warranty is generally transferable from the original
‘owner other than a Nissan dealer’ (OWNER) to
subsequent owners of the vehicle at any time ownership of
the vehicle is transferred, without any action on your part;
except that this warranty is not transferable but is instead
void if during the first six months after delivery to the original
OWNER: (1) ownership of the vehicle is transferred from
the original OWNER, and (2) the vehicle is registered
outside of the United States.

The first part says that the warranty is valid if the vehicle is registered in the US and operated in US....and Canada. If you purchase a vehicle in the US and get temporary taggs/plates is it considered registered in the US?

The second part only speaks to transferability of the warranty from the original owner. So if you import a new vehicle into Canada AND sell it, then the warranty is VOID. Or if you buy a used vehicle less than 6 months old and import it, then the warranty is VOID.

I'm still confused here.
From the second paragraph it seems like one can buy new Nissan (being first owner) and import it into Canada still keeping warranty valid (the "void" part only comes into play if you resell it ). But first paragraph only mentions cars "registered" in USA! What about ones registered in Canada?

[VladK]

Geez, from Montreal to Manchester costs 245$ a day from Herts??? damn that's expensive...

why don't you just take greyhound? Thats what im doing, i'm going from Toronto to NY for 95+ taxes.

[Comatose]

I think from the excerpt you missed one bolded condition that is evident in the PDF... it says "AND". That is, the warranty is void if during the first 6 months the ownership of the vehicle is transferred AND it is registered outside of the US.
For a candian shopper, they are not transferring the ownership. the clause is used to deter ppl from shopping across border for the sake of resale.

that said however, i've seen other sources that still appear to imply that the vehicle still needs to be registered in the US first before warranty will be honored...

Thanks again.
Here is a link the 2008 Altima Coupe Warranty Booklet found on http://www.altimacoupe.com/: Link (http://www.altimacoupe.com/download/08-coupe-WG.pdf)

[Rehan]

I'm still confused here.
From the second paragraph it seems like one can buy new Nissan (being first owner) and import it into Canada still keeping warranty valid (the "void" part only comes into play if you resell it ). But first paragraph only mentions cars "registered" in USA! What about ones registered in Canada? With that wording, Nissan can claim that cars never registered in the USA do not have a warranty. And then the second paragraph doesn't matter, because there would be no valid warranty that could be transferred.

But Nissan may not be very strict on this issue right now.

[Bullseye]

Update on my e-mail to the Cdn Subaru dealer;

Hilarious, they can't even come within $8,500 for the equivalent model. The Touring Edition is MSRP $34,895, they will gave a 'absolute maximum' discount of $3k, making it $31,895, plus freight, PDI, etc. I'm looking at essentially the same car in the U.S. for $23,500 all in.

The salesperson told me that the U.S. dealers are a 'big problem' for them right now.

[jadeboy]

So if Transport Canada says that all 2008 Hondas and toyotas are ok to import, and the folks you are talking to at the RIV state that all is ok, then why is the RIV website not updated to reflect this??

Did you get a verbal confirmation? It's better that you get an email confirmation.. because when talking to riv.ca you will get different answers based on who you get... I would like to get confirmation from email with Honda/Toyotas/Lexus.

[shopper-X]

I'm still confused here.
From the second paragraph it seems like one can buy new Nissan (being first owner) and import it into Canada still keeping warranty valid (the "void" part only comes into play if you resell it ). But first paragraph only mentions cars "registered" in USA! What about ones registered in Canada?


APPLICABILITY
■ This warranty is provided to the original and subsequent
owner(s) of a Nissan vehicle originally distributed by Nissan
which is originally sold by a Nissan authorized Nissan
dealership in the United States, and which is registered
in the U.S. and normally operated in the United States
(including Alaska and Hawaii), the United States territories
(specifi cally Guam, Saipan, American Samoa, Puerto Rico
and the U.S. Virgin Islands), and Canada.

This paragraph says:
As long as you register it in the USA your warranty is covered if you drive it in the United States (including Alaska and Hawaii), the United States territories (specifically Guam, Saipan, American Samoa, Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands), and Canada.



■ This warranty is generally transferable from the original
‘owner other than a Nissan dealer’ (OWNER) to
subsequent owners of the vehicle at any time ownership of
the vehicle is transferred, without any action on your part;
except that this warranty is not transferable but is instead
void if during the first six months after delivery to the original
OWNER: (1) ownership of the vehicle is transferred from
the original OWNER, and (2) the vehicle is registered
outside of the United States.

This paragraph says:
The warranty is VOID if you within the first 6 months you either register it outside the USA or sell it. You can do whatever you want after the first six months.

I wonder if you can first register a Nissan in a friend/relatives name (of course use one in a no-tax state) then after six months import it legally and register it in Canada.
You are allowed to drive it in Canada according to Part 1 and it is registered in the USA for the first six months for Part 2.

[shopper-X]

I think from the excerpt you missed one bolded condition that is evident in the PDF... it says "AND". That is, the warranty is void if during the first 6 months the ownership of the vehicle is transferred AND it is registered outside of the US.
For a candian shopper, they are not transferring the ownership. the clause is used to deter ppl from shopping across border for the sake of resale.

that said however, i've seen other sources that still appear to imply that the vehicle still needs to be registered in the US first before warranty will be honored...

I see the "AND" but what's scary is that Nissan USA, Nissan Canada and the local Dealer see if as "OR".
Nissan USA just need to give a clear answer on this.

[paul29]

This paragraph says:
As long as you register it in the USA your warranty is covered if you drive it in the United States (including Alaska and Hawaii), the United States territories (specifically Guam, Saipan, American Samoa, Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands), and Canada.




This paragraph says:
The warranty is VOID if you within the first 6 months you either register it outside the USA or sell it. You can do whatever you want after the first six months.

I wonder if you can first register a Nissan in a friend/relatives name (of course use one in a no-tax state) then after six months import it legally and register it in Canada.
You are allowed to drive it in Canada according to Part 1 and it is registered in the USA for the first six months for Part 2.

The second paragraph states both conditions must be met , note the word "and ". You are stating either condition will void the warranty , changing the word "and" to "or" Different meaning altogether .

[ChemicalBoy]

Update on my e-mail to the Cdn Subaru dealer;

Hilarious, they can't even come within $8,500 for the equivalent model. The Touring Edition is MSRP $34,895, they will gave a 'absolute maximum' discount of $3k, making it $31,895, plus freight, PDI, etc. I'm looking at essentially the same car in the U.S. for $23,500 all in.

The salesperson told me that the U.S. dealers are a 'big problem' for them right now.

Yeah just go down and get a subaru from the states, u will be better off :)

[johnsa]

This paragraph says:
As long as you register it in the USA your warranty is covered if you drive it in the United States (including Alaska and Hawaii), the United States territories (specifically Guam, Saipan, American Samoa, Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands), and Canada.




This paragraph says:
The warranty is VOID if you within the first 6 months you either register it outside the USA or sell it. You can do whatever you want after the first six months.

I wonder if you can first register a Nissan in a friend/relatives name (of course use one in a no-tax state) then after six months import it legally and register it in Canada.
You are allowed to drive it in Canada according to Part 1 and it is registered in the USA for the first six months for Part 2.


This would technically work....

Lets be clear folks....NISSAN's wording is quite clear and they confirmed this on more than one occassion.......the car must be REGISTERED in the USA first or the warranty was never valid... the 6 months only becomes a factor if the car was ORIGINALLY REG"D IN THE USA..anyone finding Cdn dealers willing to service their NEW Nissan are just plain lucky....I don't know yet..I have not had to take mine in....hopefully I never will...regardless. lets not lead people astray.....The warranty is technically not valid....period...

[diigii]

I see the "AND" but what's scary is that Nissan USA, Nissan Canada and the local Dealer see if as "OR".
Nissan USA just need to give a clear answer on this.

My suggestion for potential Nissan buyers is do what I did. Just buy the car! The savings you make for buying the car in the US will help pay off whatever warranty work will be done. But I didn't stop there. I took my US-bought car in its first week here Sept 4-8, still with its Maryland temp tags, to two local GTA dealers and asked their service depts if they would honor the US warranty of a US-bought Nissan. I asked discreetly!! And I got my answer from people who actually work on the car, not the people who sit in their offices on Mississauga. :cheesygri

[G-StaR]

i have a question i went to the ministry of transportation and they told me i need a provincial inspection for my subaru that i just imported but this car is brand new bought from ny..car is in guelph, ontario. anyone else have this problem?

[michelb]

I do not think this question has been addressed..I want to do the Export paperwork at Champlain near Montreal with US Customs, but then drive to Cornwall and do the IMPORT there..RIV and GST, etc..I can't think of any reason this would not be possible...Any comments??

(I am trying to get through to Canada Border Services, but their damn lines are too tied up with people from RFD wanting to import cars!!!

No problems there, as long as you have your title in hand, doesn't matter where the export check was done.

With that wording, Nissan can claim that cars never registered in the USA do not have a warranty. And then the second paragraph doesn't matter, because there would be no valid warranty that could be transferred.

But Nissan may not be very strict on this issue right now.

This paragraph says:
As long as you register it in the USA your warranty is covered if you drive it in the United States (including Alaska and Hawaii), the United States territories (specifically Guam, Saipan, American Samoa, Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands), and Canada.




This paragraph says:
The warranty is VOID if you within the first 6 months you either register it outside the USA or sell it. You can do whatever you want after the first six months.

I wonder if you can first register a Nissan in a friend/relatives name (of course use one in a no-tax state) then after six months import it legally and register it in Canada.
You are allowed to drive it in Canada according to Part 1 and it is registered in the USA for the first six months for Part 2.

I see the "AND" but what's scary is that Nissan USA, Nissan Canada and the local Dealer see if as "OR".
Nissan USA just need to give a clear answer on this.

The second paragraph states both conditions must be met , note the word "and ". You are stating either condition will void the warranty , changing the word "and" to "or" Different meaning altogether .

I'm with shopper-x and Rehan, in that personally, I think the way the warranty is written is way to vague and could easily allow Nissan to deny coverage. If nothing else the 'Applicability' paragraph implies that the vehicle needs to be registered in the US to receive any coverage. You could probably argue that the coverage does transfer to Canadians who import into Canada but from my interpretation, the first paragraph could still be interpreted to mean that the vehicle MUST first be registered in the US and then later imported and registered in Canada.

[eastsidesubaru]

Just wondering but how good is the resale value of Subaru's? I've alway been a huge fan of Toyota's but they are being such a pain in the ass if you want to import a Toyota and Subaru's are so much easier to deal with.

At least in the US the Subarus hold their value like crazy... in some cases I have seen 5-6 year old cars w/ a lot of miles retain 60% of their original value.. of course YMMV, but resale is pretty high on them.
Throwing Canada into the mix who knows how that will affect things though...

[diigii]

i have a question i went to the ministry of transportation and they told me i need a provincial inspection for my subaru that i just imported but this car is brand new bought from ny..car is in guelph, ontario. anyone else have this problem?

This is the frustrating part in the import process. You have the government's Transportation website saying it clearly in black and white that no safety certificate is needed for brand new vehicles not previously registered, and you have MTO staff, or staffed by MTO-sanctioned private contractors, not familiar with the exemption.

This rant also applies to RIV, which is supposed to provide the latest info on the admissibility of new vehicles.

There is no consistency in the applications of the rules and applications.

I could tell that I didn't get lucky. I was armed with Ministry information when I did my licensing and registration.

I advise you to go to a different Vehicle Licensing office. Print off this page from the Ministry and show it to the staff who doesn't know or unaware of the exemptions.

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/rgoutcan.htm

[jabelone]

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[tico 1948]

Not sure if anyone knows this and I'm not sure if this is the right place to be asking this, but I was wondering if anyone can comment on some of my questions since one of the questions involve the option of purchasing a vehicle from the States:

- I've got a part-time business and I'm also in the market for a new (or slightly used) vehicle. Now the question is, should I lease or buy? Does it make a difference accounting wise in the end? I'll be using it partially for business and partially for personal use.

For example, if you lease a vehicle for 4 years vs. buying a vehicle and selling it when 4 years rolls around. Are there any further tax savings that can be realized through leasing vs. financing?

I know that with Leasing, you can just write off the entire lease cost. With Financing however, you have to use a depreciation model but I'm not sure if this is better/worse off at the end of the term.


- Now if I choose to buy, considering that some of the Financing rates here in Canada could be 0% now for some vehicles, at what point do savings become negligible since you would have to take out a LOC (from a bank which is around 7.25%) to buy from the States? As shown in the chart below, over a 4 year term on a $30K vehicle, you'd have to be saving at least $8700 (0% financing vs. 7.25% LOC).


Interest Cost Over 4 yr Term
0% = 0
0.9% = $1080
1.9% = $2280
2.9% = $3480
4.9% = $5880
7.25% = $8700

If you are in Business you should have a Accountant tell you the score on leasing vs. purchasing. I do know that if you are going to use it for personal things, you have to establish a "Stand-by" number of kilometers per month to cover that personal use. If you don't have an accountant, best to contact Revenue Canada for their ruling on combined personal use/business vehicles.

[Riffer]

This paragraph says:
As long as you register it in the USA your warranty is covered if you drive it in the United States (including Alaska and Hawaii), the United States territories (specifically Guam, Saipan, American Samoa, Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands), and Canada.




This paragraph says:
The warranty is VOID if you within the first 6 months you either register it outside the USA or sell it. You can do whatever you want after the first six months.

I wonder if you can first register a Nissan in a friend/relatives name (of course use one in a no-tax state) then after six months import it legally and register it in Canada.
You are allowed to drive it in Canada according to Part 1 and it is registered in the USA for the first six months for Part 2.

I'll have to pass that on to my sister. Her Subaru was totalled due to the midwest floods a couple of months ago and she just bought a Nissan to replace it. By pure coincidence, after being in the States for 10+ yrs she is moving back to Canada in a few months. That means she could get caught by this if she tries to register the vehicle in Canada.

As for me, I refuse to buy a new vehicle until the Canadian prices come down to a reasonable level vis-a-vis the US.

[shopper-X]

I'll have to pass that on to my sister. Her Subaru was totalled due to the midwest floods a couple of months ago and she just bought a Nissan to replace it. By pure coincidence, after being in the States for 10+ yrs she is moving back to Canada in a few months. That means she could get caught by this if she tries to register the vehicle in Canada.

As for me, I refuse to buy a new vehicle until the Canadian prices come down to a reasonable level vis-a-vis the US.

Since she is not transfering ownership (just exporting) she should be fine. She is still the ORIGINAL owner of the vehicle and this is where the "AND" in part two comes to play.

Part 1: She registered it in the USA first. CHECK!
Part 2: She is not transfering ownership but is exporting. CHECK!
If she transfered owership "AND" exported then it's VOID.

[Flavour]

I was at a Toyota Dealer recently.

The salesperson stated that don't be fooled by the price diff in the US - they will start going up to match our prices...LOL

What a load of Malarky - at most they will go up is $1000. There is no way that the US economy will support rising car prices.

i would have just said "i guess i better buy one down there quick then" :cheesygri

[VladK]

Salesperson at a local Mercedes dealership was telling tales too.

First he said that we would have to pay taxes based on price in Canada not purchased price in the States. Also said that warranty would be void.

[Raikkonen]

Well, I found my dealership....now I need the car on the RIV list....;)

EDIT:
Wanted to ad that because the 2008 cars are not on the admissibility list, and my deal elsewhere is not finalized (and based on what I have read here about persecution of friendly dealers) I will politely state that I will not share details with others at this point (after the list and impending purchase firmed up, sure), so please do not email me if you have zero or 1 or 10 posts...thanks.

There always existed negative stereotypes about car salespeople......some of these posts paint a very uncomplimentary (true) picture.....

Work hard for your money, spend it wisely ;)

http://www.businessweek.com/the_thread/hotproperty/used_car_salesman.jpg

[J233]

Yeah but a Sienna falls under MPV (section 5) which means it's admissable right away. A Camry falls under a passenger vehicle (section 3) and therefore you have to wait until the 2008's are added to the RIV list.


Again - don't assume that your 2008 non passenger vehicle that falls under Section 5.3 is admissible "right away" althought the passenger list has not been updated for 2008 model. Today, I spoke with GM folks that issue Recall Clearance Letters hoping that this would be the case with one of their SUVs. They said NONE GM 2008 US model (passenger or van/SUV) is admissable yet. Apparently, there are two safety related issues that apply to 2008 models that have to be "resolved" hence the delay in udpating the list. Not sure this is the case, I am just stating what I heard from them. Toyota may have a different story.

[G-StaR]

thanks for the fast reply i will attempt to try the same office and if they still want me to get it cerfitied ill head over to another office. wish me luck :)

This is the frustrating part in the import process. You have the government's Transportation website saying it clearly in black and white that no safety certificate is needed for brand new vehicles not previously registered, and you have MTO staff, or staffed by MTO-sanctioned private contractors, not familiar with the exemption.

This rant also applies to RIV, which is supposed to provide the latest info on the admissibility of new vehicles.

There is no consistency in the applications of the rules and applications.

I could tell that I didn't get lucky. I was armed with Ministry information when I did my licensing and registration.

I advise you to go to a different Vehicle Licensing office. Print off this page from the Ministry and show it to the staff who doesn't know or unaware of the exemptions.

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/rgoutcan.htm

[Monsieurmaggot]

i have a question i went to the ministry of transportation and they told me i need a provincial inspection for my subaru that i just imported but this car is brand new bought from ny..car is in guelph, ontario. anyone else have this problem?


There is no emission or inspection required for new vehicles in Ontario. Have the knucklehead at the MTO call their "800 support number". They will set them straight.

Make sure you have documentation to support that it is a new car.

Some lazy MTOers will even tell you that "there's a couple of hundred kilometers on the car" so it can't be new. Don't fall for that.

Take a stand and they'll back off.

Sometimes I think those folks get a percentage. Read my post earlier in the thread about my experience with a lazy MTO person. They did everything they could NOT to process me.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I've been getting lots of questions about the paperwork and what exactly is required at the border crossing. I will post that information at carburner.com.

I want to remind everyone that depending on the jurisdiction you live in, the Canada Customs receipt, the Certificate of Origin, official sales receipt (in NY state they issue you a formal "department of motor vehicle retail sales receipt), FORM1 and FORM2 can be kept by the licensing people.

Make sure you make copies for your records.

For those living in Ontario (I can't say if it happens elsewhere) you could be subject to an "efficiency audit" by the Ministry of Finance. I received a letter about a week after I imported my car asking me to re-submit proof of tax payment. I sent in my Revenue Canada and MTO receipts and they were fine.

I understand one in 10 people get the request. Not a big deal but YOU NEED to respond to them.

[yyz2hkg]

For those living in Ontario (I can't say if it happens elsewhere) you could be subject to an "efficiency audit" by the Ministry of Finance. I received a letter about a week after I imported my car asking me to re-submit proof of tax payment. I sent in my Revenue Canada and MTO receipts and they were fine.
I understand one in 10 people get the request. Not a big deal but YOU NEED to respond to them.

I got a letter too...but faxed it.

[longdong]

Try to buy a Toyota Sienna, agreed to sell and then one week later, when I was ready to buy , they said "no sir" we don't allow to sell car to canadian (at least I didn't send any money yet). And then I did try to Honda Odyssey, this time a little bit further, they asked me to send money ... and then my money arrived 1 week later ... as the same time as the Honda America's letter to the dealer to warm the dealer about selling cars to canadian --> losing dearler license. Their answer was "no sir", we don't allow to sell car to canadian. And now I'm waiting for my check back, before I can start looking something else, maybe a Subie, the problem is Subaru doesn't have any VAN ...

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....

[Geese_Howard]

I've searched this thread but does anyone have a list of cars made in North America? I assume all Mercedes and BMW's are built in Germany.

[longdong]

I've searched this thread but does anyone have a list of cars made in North America? I assume all Mercedes and BMW's are built in Germany.

it's quite easy to figure out.

Go to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

Type your car name in there, and then you will see if the car was made in NA or not

[smpmush]

Again - don't assume that your 2008 non passenger vehicle that falls under Section 5.3 is admissible "right away" althought the passenger list has not been updated for 2008 model. Today, I spoke with GM folks that issue Recall Clearance Letters hoping that this would be the case with one of their SUVs. They said NONE GM 2008 US model (passenger or van/SUV) is admissable yet. Apparently, there are two safety related issues that apply to 2008 models that have to be "resolved" hence the delay in udpating the list. Not sure this is the case, I am just stating what I heard from them. Toyota may have a different story.
LOL .. thats funny... They can import the same truck built with the same parts to the same specs and standards but you can not... If there were really "safety" issues that need to be reslolved then I would supect they should not be able to sell said vehicals in Canada either.. Just another way for maufacturers trying to slow the glut of imports... You should send that responce from GM to the media and have them find out about these "safety" issues, I am sure there are many 08 truck and suv owners out there who would love to find about about these suposed safety issues that need to addressed..:confused:

[VladK]

I've searched this thread but does anyone have a list of cars made in North America? I assume all Mercedes and BMW's are built in Germany.

if Vin # starts with a letter then it was built outside North America. If it was built in NA it will start with a number.

Somebody correct me if i'm wrong. Mercedes builds their cars in Austria too, not that it matters. Someone earlier was saying that BMW might have a plant in the States?

[ggweci]

Update on my e-mail to the Cdn Subaru dealer;

Hilarious, they can't even come within $8,500 for the equivalent model. The Touring Edition is MSRP $34,895, they will gave a 'absolute maximum' discount of $3k, making it $31,895, plus freight, PDI, etc. I'm looking at essentially the same car in the U.S. for $23,500 all in.

The salesperson told me that the U.S. dealers are a 'big problem' for them right now.


LOL... $3K, just what I figured. Thanks for the update on this... looks like it's time for you to contact Karl at Van Bortel :cheesygri

[sonic19982]

Try to buy a Toyota Sienna, agreed to sell and then one week later, when I was ready to buy , they said "no sir" we don't allow to sell car to canadian (at least I didn't send any money yet). And then I did try to Honda Odyssey, this time a little bit further, they asked me to send money ... and then my money arrived 1 week later ... as the same time as the Honda America's letter to the dealer to warm the dealer about selling cars to canadian --> losing dearler license. Their answer was "no sir", we don't allow to sell car to canadian. And now I'm waiting for my check back, before I can start looking something else, maybe a Subie, the problem is Subaru doesn't have any VAN ...

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....

Never send money in advance. Always have the money order or bank draft in your possession until you arrive at the dealership, drive the vehicle and are ready to make the purchase. They might ask you for a $100.00 deposit before you go down, put it on your credit card. In my case the Toyota dealer didn’t ask for anything.

[Xinc]

Hey thanks a lot for this excellent thread!

I'm interested in importing a 2008 Subaru Outback Limitied Bean 2.4L/175HP from the states (~40,000 CND vs. ~25,000 USD) Just wondering if anyone has any experience with this vehicle?

O and by the way how much insurances am I looking at when I register (I've been driving for 7 yr.s and I'm currently paying under $100 for a '01 Camry)? If it's going to be significant higher than most I may look for something else :razz:

Thanks alot in advance!!

[ryandk]

I found this list in another thread. It was dated 2005, so I'm not sure how accurate it is. Does anyone have an updated list?

You will find that at least the following brand new vehicles can (depending on the exact one you are purchasing) or will have a North American VIN:

Acura MDX - Alliston, Ontario
Acura RDX - Marysville, Ohio
Acura TL – Marysville, Ohio
BMW X5 – Spartanburg, South Carolina
BMW Z4 – Spartanburg, South Carolina
Honda Accord – Marysville, Ohio
Honda Civic – East Liberty, Ohio
Honda CRV - East Liberty, Ohio
Honda Element – East Liberty, Ohio
Honda Odyssey – Lincoln, Alabama
Honda Pilot – Lincoln, Alabama
Honda Ridgeline - Alliston, Ontario
Mercedes-Benz M-Class – Vance, Alabama
Mercedes-Benz R-Class – Vance, Alabama
Mazda 6 – Flat Rock, Michigan
Mazda B-Series – Minneapolis, Minnesota
Mazda Tribute – Kansas City, Missouri
Hyundai Sonata – Montgomery, Alabama
Hyundai Santa Fe – Montgomery, Alabama
Infiniti QX56 – Canton, Mississippi
Isuzu Ascender – Moraine, Ohio and Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
Isuzu i-Series Pickup – Shreveport, Louisiana
Lexus RX350 (previously known as the Lexus RX330) – Cambridge, Ontario
Mitsubishi Eclipse – Normal, Illinois
Mitsubishi Endeavor – Normal, Illinois
Mitsubishi Galant – Normal, Illinois
Mitsubishi Raider – Warren, Michigan
Nissan Altima – Smyrna, Tennessee and Canton, Mississippi
Nissan Armada – Canton, Mississippi
Nissan Frontier – Smyrna, Tennessee
Nissan Maxima – Smyrna, Tennessee
Nissan Pathfinder – Smyrna, Tennessee
Nissan Quest – Canton, Mississippi
Nissan Titan – Canton, Mississippi
Nissan Xterra – Smyrna, Tennessee
Saab 9-7X – Moraine, Ohio
Subaru Baja – Lafayette, Indiana
Subaru B9 Tribeca – Lafayette, Indiana
Subaru Legacy – Lafayette, Indiana
Subaru Outback – Lafayette, Indiana
Toyota Avalon – Georgetown, Kentucky
Toyota Camry and Camry Hybrid – Georgetown, Kentucky
Toyota Camry Solara – Georgetown, Kentucky
Toyota Corolla – Fremont, California
Toyota Sequoia – Princeton, Indiana
Toyota Sienna – Princeton, Indiana
Toyota Tacoma – Fremont, California
Toyota Tundra – Princeton, Indiana

[HighFlyer]

O and by the way how much insurances am I looking at when I register (I've been driving for 7 yr.s and I'm currently paying under $100 for a '01 Camry)? If it's going to be significant higher than most I may look for something else :razz:

FWIW, my premiums went up by 30%. you're talking about a new car with a higher replacement value, and of course there are other factors.

[MB123]

Can anyone tell me if they have found a Toyota dealer who sells to Canadians? The closer to Sarnia the better...Thanks.

[J233]

LOL .. thats funny... They can import the same truck built with the same parts to the same specs and standards but you can not... If there were really "safety" issues that need to be reslolved then I would supect they should not be able to sell said vehicals in Canada either.. Just another way for maufacturers trying to slow the glut of imports... You should send that responce from GM to the media and have them find out about these "safety" issues, I am sure there are many 08 truck and suv owners out there who would love to find about about these suposed safety issues that need to addressed..:confused:

I can’t comment, maybe smth like bumper strength requirement that has to conform to Canadian standards? However, I don’t know how any difference between Canadian reqs vs. US can apply so broadly across the entire product line. Probably a way to slow down importation as you said…sooner or later they will have to publish the 2008 specs anyway.

[dotcalamitie]

multiline.ca in Oakville has 8 brand new 2008 Subaru Tribeca's for $33,000 - they list for $45,000 plus $1,000 for pdi here. I'm buying one. So that leaves 7. It's a shame to think that peopl in Ontario someone are buying paying $45,000.

[shopper-X]

multiline.ca in Oakville has 8 brand new 2008 Subaru Tribeca's for $33,000 - they list for $45,000 plus $1,000 for pdi here. I'm buying one. So that leaves 7. It's a shame to think that peopl in Ontario someone are buying paying $45,000.

Are these Canadian or US models?

[elviswhite]

if Vin # starts with a letter then it was built outside North America. If it was built in NA it will start with a number.

Somebody correct me if i'm wrong. Mercedes builds their cars in Austria too, not that it matters. Someone earlier was saying that BMW might have a plant in the States?

All X5s and Z4s as well as MB ML and GL are built in the US.

[Tender]

multiline.ca in Oakville has 8 brand new 2008 Subaru Tribeca's for $33,000 - they list for $45,000 plus $1,000 for pdi here. I'm buying one. So that leaves 7. It's a shame to think that peopl in Ontario someone are buying paying $45,000.

Their website says "10km", so they're second hand.

[vrakela]

Hey i have a 2005 X5 4.8IS Red from the stats.... with 25 000 MILES... I just got a new phorshe so i want to sell this one.... if anyone is interested please email me, Vrakela@gmail.com

[yinger]

Okei.. lots of talk on Subaru..

How'about Hyundai? Great reliable cars with great prices.

Is the US warranty honored in Canada?

Has anyone had any experience with importing a Hyundai?

[PHANTOMPHOENIX]

Okei.. lots of talk on Subaru..

How'about Hyundai? Great reliable cars with great prices.

Is the US warranty honored in Canada?



The US warranty is 10 years but the Canadian one is 5 years. So what they do apparently is service the 5 year warranty in Canada and if you want years 6-10, you have to take it to the US for service.

It's actually a better deal than buying in Canada...in terms of warranty. :razz:

[eastsidesubaru]

Never send money in advance. Always have the money order or bank draft in your possession until you arrive at the dealership, drive the vehicle and are ready to make the purchase. They might ask you for a $100.00 deposit before you go down, put it on your credit card. In my case the Toyota dealer didn’t ask for anything.

I disagree totally with this, as it makes everything a lot easier on everyone if the car is paid for when you come to pick it up.. granted you want to be dealing with a reputable dealer... Generally at my dealer we ask for $500-1000 deposit on a credit card and then strongly prefer the money be transferred before picking the car up for final delivery if you only want to make 1 trip. It's especially important for the dealer if you are putting on, say, $1000 of parts like in the case of one gentleman who just recently purchased from me :)

The reason is that you need the MSO to be signed over to you and notarized when you leave the dealership. In order for that to happen (to protect the dealer) they need to make sure the car is 100% paid for... If you do not pay in advance, and pay on the morning of, then the dealer has to call to verify it is a legit money order/bank draft, and then our notary has to be available at the dealership to sign the MSO over. Given that generally we recommend people leave our dealership by 11:30am to make sure they hit the border before they close, it really puts a lot of stress on everybody to do things last minute. If a dealer were to make a mistake and give an MSO to someone who was not legitimately paying for the car, there would be several people fired and the dealer would have a very difficult time ahead of them trying to get that car back (legally)..
So ultimately it's up to the buyer, but to be on the safe side, wire transfer is far nicer. (That said, I guess I would think twice about wiring money to "Billy Bob's Subaru Dealership And Gun Shop" somewhere in Arkansas...) ;)

[yinger]

The US warranty is 10 years but the Canadian one is 5 years. So what they do apparently is service the 5 year warranty in Canada and if you want years 6-10, you have to take it to the US for service.

It's actually a better deal than buying in Canada...in terms of warranty. :razz:

Just to clarify. So the first FIVE years of warranty will be honored through Canada Hyundai. And from 6-10, the car will have to be service in the US?

[elmst200]

a car with 10 kilometers on it is considered 'New'.

It isn't 10 Kilo-Miles, is it?

Their website says "10km", so they're second hand.

[elmst200]

good news, it seems (some) Subaru canada dealers are down the right path...

multiline.ca in Oakville has 8 brand new 2008 Subaru Tribeca's for $33,000 - they list for $45,000 plus $1,000 for pdi here. I'm buying one. So that leaves 7. It's a shame to think that peopl in Ontario someone are buying paying $45,000.

[Tender]

a car with 10 kilometers on it is considered 'New'.

It isn't 10 Kilo-Miles, is it?

Don't get me wrong. I totally agreee it is new. But you'll not be the first owner. It comes down to more depreciation on your car. Just one thing you need to consider before you buy. Given that the brand new Tribecas start from $28,000 in the states, this price is not bad.

On the other hand, it seems some dealers started doing something.

[shopper-X]

good news, it seems (some) Subaru canada dealers are down the right path...

Multiline is NOT a Subaru dealer. They are a reseller/leasing company.
I have emailed them and asked if the 2008 Tribeca's are US purchased vehicles.
If the Subaru Canada dealers can't sell 2008 Tribeca's at that price how can these guys?

Or even better maybe "dotcalamitie" who mentioned they may purchase one can let us know.

[LoveRFD]

I have a question, for people who posted their paid prices on carburner.com, do the prices include everything like the importing fees and gst/pst?

[scouzi]

One GM dealer in Montreal has lowered his "lease" prices to US prices. He is doing so by increasing the buyback value of the lease therefore lowering the monthly lease payments. He has gotten the OK from GM head office.

He claims that dollar for dollar you can now lease a GM at the same price as you would in the US. The deal has been verified by the APA as being authentic.

Leasing is a good option in Canada as you will be taking a smaller hit if car prices are lowered.

[longdong]

Don't get me wrong. I totally agreee it is new. But you'll not be the first owner. It comes down to more depreciation on your car. Just one thing you need to consider before you buy. Given that the brand new Tribecas start from $28,000 in the states, this price is not bad.

On the other hand, it seems some dealers started doing something.

Looks like they want to make a quick money. You can buy that car in US for around 29k, so they can make around 3k on one car, it's not that bad.


I doubted is Canadian car, can anyone verify is it in miles or in kilometer.

[icu_nxtime]

One GM dealer in Montreal has lowered his "lease" prices to US prices. He is doing so by increasing the buyback value of the lease therefore lowering the monthly lease payments. He has gotten the OK from GM head office.

He claims that dollar for dollar you can now lease a GM at the same price as you would in the US. The deal has been verified by the APA as being authentic.

Leasing is a good option in Canada as you will be taking a smaller hit if car prices are lowered.

Isn't this only good news if you are just giving up the lease??? If you want to keep the car after then it is no better for you. I don't think this is a good idea at all unless you are giving the car back at the end.

[Bullseye]

From Multiline's site;

'US Pricing is here, special fleet purchase.
Loaded 2008 Subaru Tribeca Limited All Wheel
Drive. Leather Trimmed Upholstery, Moonroof,
Heated Seats, Power Seats, Roof Rails, Premium
Audio with in dash CD Changer, digital dual zone
climate control, and more. Canadian MSRP
$44,495 Great Value here only $33,000. '

I'm only 5 minutes from them, maybe I'll drop in today and investigate.

[Monsieurmaggot]

multiline.ca in Oakville has 8 brand new 2008 Subaru Tribeca's for $33,000 - they list for $45,000 plus $1,000 for pdi here. I'm buying one. So that leaves 7. It's a shame to think that peopl in Ontario someone are buying paying $45,000.

Hold on a minute boyz. If I'm not mistaken, those are American Subarus that are imported from the US. Those folks like many along the Niagara Peninsula are flipping cars. Unless the car is coming from a certified Subaru dealer, most assuredly they are imports. Those people ARE NOT Subaru dealers.

Seems like a hefty mark up considering you can do the same for about $200. You can't say it's piece of mind. Importing a Subaru can be done by a school-aged kid if you follow the RIV instructions.

If you really want to buy a Subaru, there's a Canadian Subaru dealer in Oakville who (as I understand it) also sells US cars through a numbered company right next door. I checked them out and they were selling Subies at a $10,000 mark up last spring. In fact a few companies I checked out were selling imported cars in the Oakville/Burlington area.

Check the door jamb. If there's a Transport Canada and maple leaf compliance labels then those are Canadian.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Hey thanks a lot for this excellent thread!

I'm interested in importing a 2008 Subaru Outback Limitied Bean 2.4L/175HP from the states (~40,000 CND vs. ~25,000 USD) Just wondering if anyone has any experience with this vehicle?

O and by the way how much insurances am I looking at when I register (I've been driving for 7 yr.s and I'm currently paying under $100 for a '01 Camry)? If it's going to be significant higher than most I may look for something else :razz:

Thanks alot in advance!!

I live in Toronto (which is an expensive insurance area) and I'm paying just over $1000 per year for my new loaded Subaru LLBean. Includes: under-insured motorist coverage, roadside assistance, $1 million liability, accident forgiveness, comparable replacement rental, $100 comprehensive, $500 collision, 12-month 100% replacement (cash settlement for total purchase price if vehicle is stolen or written off in the first year). I replaced a 10-year old Taurus that cost me about $700 a year to insure (same coverage). That policy includes the following discounts: Accident-free, Multi-car, Home, Life, "Over 50km. weekly" and "driven over 12,000 km yearly".

I've been with State Farm for over 30 years and have NEVER had a chargeable accident. I've been hit (but culpability was placed on the other driver).

My agent told me that the Subaru rated VERY HIGH in the IIHS.org accident testing and my rates reflect that.

Hope that helps you.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I have a question, for people who posted their paid prices on carburner.com, do the prices include everything like the importing fees and gst/pst?

Not my posting. I paid just over $29,000. I then added GST, PST, RIV and A/C tax.

[longdong]

Their website says "10km", so they're second hand.

And they mentioned in their website:
"We buy from other dealers, often taking off make quality trades, such as a Honda from a Ford dealer or a Toyota from a G.M. dealer. We have a constant influx of high quality pre-owned vehicles to choose from. Multi-Line has more than 1700 vehicles on lease at any given time, and our inventory changes on a daily basis. We also purchase vehicles from manufacturer finance companies, such as Honda Canada credit, BMW finance and Ford of Canada Credit."

"pre-owned" vehicles ... so they bought cheaper than a new car. These vehicles are pre-owned, so it's not new. They should pay less than 29k (you can buy a brand new Tribeca Limited 2008 for 29k US ) and then re-sales for 33k canadians, not a bad deals

[scouzi]

Isn't this only good news if you are just giving up the lease??? If you want to keep the car after then it is no better for you. I don't think this is a good idea at all unless you are giving the car back at the end.

I guess so, but I sometimes lease, sometimes buy. When I lease, I have no intention of buying back. I think that a majority of people do not buy back their leases but I'm not 100% sure on the stats.

[Monsieurmaggot]

And they mentioned in their website:
"We buy from other dealers, often taking off make quality trades, such as a Honda from a Ford dealer or a Toyota from a G.M. dealer. We have a constant influx of high quality pre-owned vehicles to choose from. Multi-Line has more than 1700 vehicles on lease at any given time, and our inventory changes on a daily basis. We also purchase vehicles from manufacturer finance companies, such as Honda Canada credit, BMW finance and Ford of Canada Credit."

"pre-owned" vehicles ... so they bought cheaper than a new car. These vehicles are pre-owned, so it's not new. They should pay less than 29k (you can buy a brand new Tribeca Limited 2008 for 29k US ) and then re-sales for 33k canadians, not a bad deals

There's also leasebusters.com. They flip a lot of rentals and US cars too. Seems like everyone is doing it now.

Remember this will have an impact for used car buyers too. The resale values in Canada will drop. You can be sure the greedy dealers who give leasing discounts now will try to gouge the poor unsuspecting sucker who later buys the lease return from the dealer. You'll still be able to buy a used car in the US.

[scouzi]

Don't get me wrong. I totally agreee it is new. But you'll not be the first owner. It comes down to more depreciation on your car. Just one thing you need to consider before you buy. Given that the brand new Tribecas start from $28,000 in the states, this price is not bad.

On the other hand, it seems some dealers started doing something.

They are practically "new" (ie never driven) but by law they can't call them new even though they are.

Even if you buy a brand new car from the States from a dealer, RIV stats indicates it as "used".

I think new means from factory to an authorized dealer.

[ymlccc]

My agent told me that the Subaru rated VERY HIGH in the IIHS.org accident testing and my rates reflect that.
Hope that helps you.
+1

I soon will be another proud owner of the 2008 outback limited, I did my research for more than 3 yrs (buy a house first instead) for my first car. Many of my friends drive wrx, legacy. Father of my best friend's wife is an owner of a garage (used car shops) in Cambridge, ON, he highly recommends Suabru coz the engine is so well done and it's designed to last longer. He said to me" people wants a Subaru because they know what they're looking for..." I know it's not a european car with fancier interior but it has all the features I want.

Also, after driving a corolla for some yrs, I think I need a car with better safety+performance+equivalent reliability+utility... so passing the matrix and other american cars, I guess only subaru falls within my budget range. I did drive my boss's Audi A4 quattro wagon for 3 weeks, it sure is a lovely car but too bad I can't afford it. Sure Subaru has it's own drawbacks, but hey, so does all the cars! I originally wants a Legacy wagon with lower suspension, but since they're discontinued in US and after checking the road condition/snow condition in montreal, I guess outback fits me the most.

[georgetoy]

The US warranty is 10 years but the Canadian one is 5 years. So what they do apparently is service the 5 year warranty in Canada and if you want years 6-10, you have to take it to the US for service.

It's actually a better deal than buying in Canada...in terms of warranty. :razz:

I got this message from Hyundai Canada when I inquired about the warranty for Canadians who buy stateside. My understanding is that we get the 10 year warranty, but need to pay first and get a refund by mailing to the Hyundai USA division. This policy seems to have been changed recently compared to earlier threads. Can anyone confirm this?

"Hyundai Auto Canada and Hyundai Motor America are two separate companies operating in their own countries. The warranty on vehicles purchased by Canadian residents in the United States is not transferable to Canada. It is possible to obtain warranty repairs on U.S vehicles in Canada, however, the cost for the repairs will be assumed by Hyundai Motor America."

"Hyundai Motor America is presently honouring their warranty on vehicles that have been imported to Canada. Please be aware that this may change in the future. In addition, roadside assistance on US vehicles is not honoured in Canada."

[dotcalamitie]

Those Subaru Tribeca's are almost all sold. Me and two friends bought 3 of the 8 units. I doubt there will be any left tomorrow. $33,000 is the landed sale price to you, registered, RIV'd, whatever they do. $33,000 is about the US list price. Multiline in Oakville has them...the deal they got is from a US leasing company who ordered them and then their customer cancelled the order. I'll bet the dealer is picking them up for $28,000. They are beautiful, only complaint is they have a stiff seat...but it's leather! I'm putting mine up for sale for $37,000 since Canadians are paying $45,000. Anyway, what a deal!

[navaz]

I also bought one over the weekend at multiline. They are officially used vehicles but mine came with 4miles on the odometer. Only issue is the warranty begins from the time multiline bought them 10/13 i believe. All in came to 38k cad

[Bullseye]

Those Subaru Tribeca's are almost all sold. Me and two friends bought 3 of the 8 units. I doubt there will be any left tomorrow. $33,000 is the landed sale price to you, registered, RIV'd, whatever they do. $33,000 is about the US list price. Multiline in Oakville has them...the deal they got is from a US leasing company who ordered them and then their customer cancelled the order. I'll bet the dealer is picking them up for $28,000. They are beautiful, only complaint is they have a stiff seat...but it's leather! I'm putting mine up for sale for $37,000 since Canadians are paying $45,000. Anyway, what a deal!

If you paid $33k, plus GST/PST, wouldn't you be losing $600 if you sold it for $37,000? Or is there negotiation room on the $33k?

[5136440]

I disagree totally with this, as it makes everything a lot easier on everyone if the car is paid for when you come to pick it up.. granted you want to be dealing with a reputable dealer... Generally at my dealer we ask for $500-1000 deposit on a credit card and then strongly prefer the money be transferred before picking the car up for final delivery if you only want to make 1 trip. It's especially important for the dealer if you are putting on, say, $1000 of parts like in the case of one gentleman who just recently purchased from me :)

The reason is that you need the MSO to be signed over to you and notarized when you leave the dealership. In order for that to happen (to protect the dealer) they need to make sure the car is 100% paid for... If you do not pay in advance, and pay on the morning of, then the dealer has to call to verify it is a legit money order/bank draft, and then our notary has to be available at the dealership to sign the MSO over. Given that generally we recommend people leave our dealership by 11:30am to make sure they hit the border before they close, it really puts a lot of stress on everybody to do things last minute. If a dealer were to make a mistake and give an MSO to someone who was not legitimately paying for the car, there would be several people fired and the dealer would have a very difficult time ahead of them trying to get that car back (legally)..
So ultimately it's up to the buyer, but to be on the safe side, wire transfer is far nicer. (That said, I guess I would think twice about wiring money to "Billy Bob's Subaru Dealership And Gun Shop" somewhere in Arkansas...) ;)

Zach, your friend Karl @ VB does exactly what you opposed to. The fact is I was in and out of the dealership for just a little more than an hour and they did everything including Notorize the MSO, paperwork, signing etc. My check was on the business manager's desk when I was handed the key. Oh, did I mention, not even a single Dollar was required for a deposit. Theoretically, I cannot argue the risk you would take by accepting Bank Draft with almost no time to verify the authenticity. However, for majority of the buyers, it is confidence and trust, let alone, convenience. I hope Karl would never have a problem with some bad apples and keep doing the same. Do u? Zach?

[dotcalamitie]

I'm leasing it from Multiline. I've been leasing from them for years. I currently have a Ridgeline I'm trading in for the Tribeca. I'll find someone to buy it from Multiline and end my lease for more than I paid, it won't be hard. I trust Multi-line. I looked in Autotrader, 2007 Tribeca's, old style, small motor, are asking price $35,000 with 10K to 20K kilometers. My agent is chris luscombe, he's a good guy. I really want them to sell out these Tribeca's fast so they go back and get more great US Deals. Hopefully the CDN distribution channel will get their prices in line. I'm a pent up buyer waiting for good deals on high end products.

[dotcalamitie]

The tribeca's are preowned. They were purchased by a leasing company in the US whose customer cancelled the order.

[LoveRFD]

Those Subaru Tribeca's are almost all sold. Me and two friends bought 3 of the 8 units. I doubt there will be any left tomorrow. $33,000 is the landed sale price to you, registered, RIV'd, whatever they do. $33,000 is about the US list price. Multiline in Oakville has them...the deal they got is from a US leasing company who ordered them and then their customer cancelled the order. I'll bet the dealer is picking them up for $28,000. They are beautiful, only complaint is they have a stiff seat...but it's leather! I'm putting mine up for sale for $37,000 since Canadians are paying $45,000. Anyway, what a deal!

I wouldn't buy from them considering that you can get the same car from US with only $29k, that's 4k difference and Subaru is the easiest one to import.

[Symcrapico]

Does anyone know if the US Subaru 3yrs roadside assistance is valid in Canada? Even Xan at Manchester Subaru wasnt sure about this.

[yyz2hkg]

I got this message from Hyundai Canada when I inquired about the warranty for Canadians who buy stateside. My understanding is that we get the 10 year warranty, but need to pay first and get a refund by mailing to the Hyundai USA division. This policy seems to have been changed recently compared to earlier threads. Can anyone confirm this?

"Hyundai Auto Canada and Hyundai Motor America are two separate companies operating in their own countries. The warranty on vehicles purchased by Canadian residents in the United States is not transferable to Canada. It is possible to obtain warranty repairs on U.S vehicles in Canada, however, the cost for the repairs will be assumed by Hyundai Motor America."

"Hyundai Motor America is presently honouring their warranty on vehicles that have been imported to Canada. Please be aware that this may change in the future. In addition, roadside assistance on US vehicles is not honoured in Canada."


This is the response I received about 3 months ago regarding Hyundai's warranty, names editted.

Good Afternoon, Mr.XXXXX XXXXX

When purchasing a Hyundai vehicle in the United States for use in Canada the warranty is not transferrable to Hyundai Auto Canada. The warranty will be honoured and paid for by Hyundai Motor America so long as the servicing is done at a Hyundai dealership. The only exception will be the inaccessibility to Hyundai Auto Canada's Roadside Assistance.

You will simply have to bring your vehicle into any hyundai dealership and all repairs that are covered under warranty will serviced here and the invoices will be forwarded to Hyunday Motor America for the charges.

If you have any further questions that we may better assist you, please call our toll-free customer service number at 1-800-633-5151, Monday through Friday from 5:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m., Pacific Time.

Kind Regards,
Txxxx Cxxx

[Bullseye]

I'm leasing it from Multiline. I've been leasing from them for years. I currently have a Ridgeline I'm trading in for the Tribeca. I'll find someone to buy it from Multiline and end my lease for more than I paid, it won't be hard. I trust Multi-line. I looked in Autotrader, 2007 Tribeca's, old style, small motor, are asking price $35,000 with 10K to 20K kilometers. My agent is chris luscombe, he's a good guy. I really want them to sell out these Tribeca's fast so they go back and get more great US Deals. Hopefully the CDN distribution channel will get their prices in line. I'm a pent up buyer waiting for good deals on high end products.

That still doesn't explain how you expect to make any money off of this. If you buy one for $33k, plus taxes, you'd have to sell it for $37,620 just to break even.

[Rehan]

If you buy one for $33k, plus taxes, you'd have to sell it for $37,620 just to break even. He's leasing it, which means he's not paying tax on all of the $33k. His trade-in might also reduce the taxable amount.

[dotcalamitie]

They have one Tribeca left.

[Bullseye]

He's leasing it, which means he's not paying tax on all of the $33k. His trade-in might also reduce the taxable amount.

He would have to buy out the lease to sell it, though, and pay full taxes at that point. A trade in shouldn't be worked into the profit equation on something like this, as I assume he's also buying one for himself.

[stock_junkie]

The few Toyota dealerships that were willing to sell new cars to Canadians is shrinking every day. Does anybody see any problems with buying a 2008 Camry and parking it at my friends house in Buffalo, NY until the RIV list inlcudes 2008 Toyota's. Will I run into trouble with insurance or in importing? Thanks!

[shopper-X]

He's leasing it, which means he's not paying tax on all of the $33k. His trade-in might also reduce the taxable amount.

There is no trade-in as he's leasing a Ridgeline there already. He's going be starting a new lease on an '08 Tribeca.
I wonder how they will value the lease?
I mean in a lease you're paying for the Current Value minus the Future Value plus taxes. What are they valuing the Future Value as?

[dotcalamitie]

I don't have the time to go to the US to pick one up. I'm sure Multiline is paying $28 or $29 for these cars and they are making 4 or 5 K per car. Which is how business is done! We need more companys doing what Multiline is doing in electronics and cars and other major products that people buy. These Tribeca Limiteds are brand new, they still had the plastic on the body panels to protect them from the factory. Maybe you can get them for $29K brand new in the US, I checked on the web for base Tribeca limiteds and the prices people are paying for brand new. None of the people who posted their purchase price paid under $30K that posted their actual buy price. I think these Tribecas also have an option or two on them. Here's the good news, even though they have probably sold all 8 of them by the time you read this, the leasing company that owns them in the USA has 50 more Tribeca's. So I would think that Multiline is going to head right back and buy another 8. Good for them. They make a few thou, I save $11,000.

[longdong]

I'm leasing it from Multiline. I've been leasing from them for years. I currently have a Ridgeline I'm trading in for the Tribeca. I'll find someone to buy it from Multiline and end my lease for more than I paid, it won't be hard. I trust Multi-line. I looked in Autotrader, 2007 Tribeca's, old style, small motor, are asking price $35,000 with 10K to 20K kilometers. My agent is chris luscombe, he's a good guy. I really want them to sell out these Tribeca's fast so they go back and get more great US Deals. Hopefully the CDN distribution channel will get their prices in line. I'm a pent up buyer waiting for good deals on high end products.

Call US Subaru and they will give you the price for this one .. it's not 35k my friend. I did check it and it's around 29.5k US .

And just checked this car:
2008 Subaru Tribeca Limited 5-Passenger
Model Code: 8TB
MSRP: $33,240 (sell price: Internet Price: $29,547 )
Stock Number: IS21487
Transmission: Automatic
VIN: 4S4WX92D284409515

[dotcalamitie]

These are 7 passenger, not 5, although you have to be a massochist to think someone is going to sit in the rear jump seats. The price I have from car.com is...

US List = $33,595 Dealer Invoice = $31,458

Plus PDI of $600

[Bullseye]

These are 7 passenger, not 5, although you have to be a massochist to think someone is going to sit in the rear jump seats. The price I have from car.com is...

US List = $33,595 Dealer Invoice = $31,458

Plus PDI of $600

Multiline site has them all listed as 5 seaters.

[dotcalamitie]

maybe I'm wrong. when I looked inside, it looked like it had a pop up seat panel behind the rear seats like in the MDX. Maybe it's just storage. I didn't actually see the seats up.

[dotcalamitie]

how come you don't see many US cars posted in auto trader? where are the Canadian entrepreneurs?

[Rehan]

how come you don't see many US cars posted in auto trader? where are the Canadian entrepreneurs? I've seen quite a few, mostly from used car dealers. All of these are US cars, for example:
http://shop-wilson.ebizautos.com/inventory-27760.aspx?_page=&_makef=Toyota&_model=Sienna
(I found them on Trader.ca... you can tell they're from the US because of the black casing of the side-view mirrors)

As time goes on, there will be even more used US cars listed in Canada, as more dealers import them and as more consumers decide to sell theirs. It'll be interesting to see how that affects sellers of Canadian market vehicles.

[ChemicalBoy]

how come you don't see many US cars posted in auto trader? where are the Canadian entrepreneurs?


Here is one. But I think most of the people want to buy cars for themselves rather than doing business.

http://edmonton.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-over-5K-2008-Subaru-Outback-gorgeous-car-best-price-W0QQAdIdZ21013125

[googz]

maybe I'm wrong. when I looked inside, it looked like it had a pop up seat panel behind the rear seats like in the MDX. Maybe it's just storage. I didn't actually see the seats up.

The 5-passenger model does have a pop up panel there; it's got a tray for storage beneath it.

[dotcalamitie]

My friend bought two Escalade ESV's, actually 3...he sold one and then bought another. I live in a rural community and there are a lot of Escalades here...from the US.

So why does Subaru Canada get to make an extra $10,000 a car? These car distributors here must be just laughing at the money they are making!

[whampoa]

Here is one. But I think most of the people want to buy cars for themselves rather than doing business.

http://edmonton.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-over-5K-2008-Subaru-Outback-gorgeous-car-best-price-W0QQAdIdZ21013125

For a "new" US 2008 SUBARU OUTBACK 2.5i, at $31,900.00 CDN.

If he can sell it at that price, he will make approximately $6,000.00 CDN and change.

[dotcalamitie]

I started out looking to buy a 2008 Lexus LX570 from Multiline, I'm waiting for a US one. The US list on the 2007 was $67,000 compared to $102,000 CDN. Somehow I ended up with a Tribeca.

[dotcalamitie]

I think this might actually be good for Subaru Canada in the long run. They will have more cars driving around in Canada, and their dealers will get the service work on them in the years ahead. And when it's time to renew...why not look at another car from the a company you would never have purchased from before?

[bxconst]

The few Toyota dealerships that were willing to sell new cars to Canadians is shrinking every day. Does anybody see any problems with buying a 2008 Camry and parking it at my friends house in Buffalo, NY until the RIV list inlcudes 2008 Toyota's. Will I run into trouble with insurance or in importing? Thanks!

This is exactly the problem I am having !

I called RIV again today, and a lady told me to call back in January !!! since the 2008 Toyota models are not on the list yet. She also mentioned there is no guarantee that the 2008 Toyota models will EVER be on the list.

This is soo frustrating !!!! The 2008 Camry is virtually unchanged compared to the 2007 model, but yet Toyota is refusing to certify it for import.

[hap86]

apparently the same price discrepancy exists for Snowmobiles (yep, the ones made in Canada)

check this out:
http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/business/story.html?id=c047dada-8f7b-48b9-8cf4-a6b57a85b610

[longdong]

These are 7 passenger, not 5, although you have to be a massochist to think someone is going to sit in the rear jump seats. The price I have from car.com is...

US List = $33,595 Dealer Invoice = $31,458

Plus PDI of $600

US List = $33,595

And the price that I list is:
MSRP: $33,240 (sell price: Internet Price: $29,547 )

MSRP $33,240 or $33,595 is almost the same. The selling price is the key here.

Why don't you just send an email to a Subaru's US seller ? they will be more than happy to tell you the price. Also the selling price is well below the dealer invoice.

[4got10]

apparently the same price discrepancy exists for Snowmobiles (yep, the ones made in Canada)

check this out:
http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/business/story.html?id=c047dada-8f7b-48b9-8cf4-a6b57a85b610

wow, based on that article I will never buy one of their products. That is just sad how they are treating customers/dealers.

[warpdryv]

For a "new" US 2008 SUBARU OUTBACK 2.5i, at $31,900.00 CDN.

If he can sell it at that price, he will make approximately $6,000.00 CDN and change.

he might not make all that. private sellers can't get their gst and (for certain provinces) pst back when they sell their cars. they can if they register as a business to import & sell, but i think there are some other hoops they have to go through to be registered as a used car dealer as well.

[warpdryv]

i saw a nice clean bmw 550i at the gym the other day, with a NYS temporary permit in the window and a sutherlandautosales.com plate frame. couldn't tell if it was a 2007 or 2008. their website says "bienvenu canadians"

[fugazi11]

I'm leasing it from Multiline. I've been leasing from them for years. I currently have a Ridgeline I'm trading in for the Tribeca. I'll find someone to buy it from Multiline and end my lease for more than I paid, it won't be hard. I trust Multi-line. I looked in Autotrader, 2007 Tribeca's, old style, small motor, are asking price $35,000 with 10K to 20K kilometers. My agent is chris luscombe, he's a good guy. I really want them to sell out these Tribeca's fast so they go back and get more great US Deals. Hopefully the CDN distribution channel will get their prices in line. I'm a pent up buyer waiting for good deals on high end products.

What are you paying monthly for the lease on the tribeca through Multiline? I have dealt with them in the past and always had good experiences.

[dotcalamitie]

Re: snowmobiles - You know, this is just absolutely unacceptable. This year both Yamaha and Bombardier introduced awesome PWCS...The Yamaha SHO is priced 38% higher in Canada. The Bombardier/Seadoo RXPX is priced 31% higher. The pricing was set last month with the dollar at par. It's a good thing I have a house in Florida because I will be my machines in the US, I am buying two machines. I was going to buy Bombardier, their machines are just more fun than the Yamaha's, but the Yamaha is more reliable (I own both). If I'm bringing across the border, Yamaha is clearly the machine to bring over.

[LoveRFD]

I think if you don't have cash to buy from US, maybe financing from multiline.ca is a not bad idea if their rate is not bad.

[jadeboy]

This is exactly the problem I am having !

I called RIV again today, and a lady told me to call back in January !!! since the 2008 Toyota models are not on the list yet. She also mentioned there is no guarantee that the 2008 Toyota models will EVER be on the list.


http://www.riv.ca/english/html/us_vehicle_admissibility.html

"The list of vehicles manufactured in the United States which are approved for entry into Canada is published by Transport Canada. Make sure you check your vehicle against the List of Vehicles Admissible from the United States before you import. Where there is no information concerning a current model year (2008) US specification vehicle you must contact the manufacturer to determine its admissibility or inadmissibility. "


This is soo frustrating !!!! The 2008 Camry is virtually unchanged compared to the 2007 model, but yet Toyota is refusing to certify it for import.

Is that what the lady said? Or is that your opinion?

[dotcalamitie]

I go thru a lot of cars and I just use Multiline as a vehicle for trying different vehicles. I told them to make my lease rate whatever I was paying for the Ridgeline I'm trading in for (I lease the Ridgeline from them). I think I'm paying $900 a month, but I'm sure you'll get a Tribeca for a lot less. As long as there is money in my vehicle, I'm always a shopper. I'm just never happy with my cars so to say...although I loved my BMW 645!!!

[tico 1948]

wow, based on that article I will never buy one of their products. That is just sad how they are treating customers/dealers.

I hope that any RFDer's who might own Bombardier Shares will dump them after reading that article. Stuff like that will come back and bite you on the ass!

[5136440]

US List = $33,595

And the price that I list is:
MSRP: $33,240 (sell price: Internet Price: $29,547 )

MSRP $33,240 or $33,595 is almost the same. The selling price is the key here.

Why don't you just send an email to a Subaru's US seller ? they will be more than happy to tell you the price. Also the selling price is well below the dealer invoice.

Your price is no doubt accurate. But this guy is leasing. You would not get a lease either ways in States. Why bother? Even with a price of $29547, plus RIV fee, Air tax, cost to the south etc, you are talking about 30K+ US. Not mention the time you are taking dealing with the dealers, banks, insurance yadayada and at least a couple of days off from the work. I believe it's not a bad choice for a lot of folks.

[whampoa]

wow, based on that article I will never buy one of their products. That is just sad how they are treating customers/dealers.

And it's the same company who will be building the new rail car or subway car for the city of Toronto for millions more than it's closest competitor.

Bombardier, what a load of crap. I hope their new passenger jet have another faulty landing gear problems.

[fugazi11]

Just spoke to the sales guy at Multiline and they have 2 left but already ordered 8 more 5 passenger ltds. Working on getting 7 seaters, but haven't looked at getting any with Nav and back-up camera.

I also asked about leasing and they said that they will not be leasing any of the Tribeca's brought in from the US as the bank won't finance it for them because of the trade in value. So your only option is to purchase.

[HighFlyer]

Bombardier, what a load of crap. I hope their new passenger jet have another faulty landing gear problems.

As much as I hate BBD as a company and their cramped CRJ sardine cans, I hope this does *not* happen.

[shopper-X]

Your price is no doubt accurate. But this guy is leasing. You would not get a lease either ways in States. Why bother? Even with a price of $29547, plus RIV fee, Air tax, cost to the south etc, you are talking about 30K+ US. Not mention the time you are taking dealing with the dealers, banks, insurance yadayada and at least a couple of days off from the work. I believe it's not a bad choice for a lot of folks.

If he is paying $900 per month to Lease a Ridgeline, why not finance an imported Tribeca himself.

Here is some math using the PCF Loan Rates (http://www.banking.pcfinancial.ca/a/rates/allPurposeLoanRate.page) of 8.05% for three years and 7.35% for four years and the $30.5K you mentioned above. The finance payments are $956.46 per month for three years @ 8.05% and $735.32 for four years @ 7.35%.

I do not know the term in years he does on his leases, but 3-4 years is average AFAIK. So for $56.46 per month more in three years he could own the Tribeca and sell it or trade it in.

[CheapScotsman]

For those who can't get a US dealership to sell to them ... you could always try a complaint with the Federal Trade Commission (the group in the US tasked with advocating for consumers). The complaint webform is here: https://rn.ftc.gov/pls/dod/wsolcq$.startup?Z_ORG_CODE=PU01

[dotcalamitie]

hmmm...did you talk to Chris at Multiline? I'm going to be leasing mine as far as I know. I told him to continue on with the same payments I'm making for my Ridgeline trade in.

[bxconst]

http://www.riv.ca/english/html/us_vehicle_admissibility.html

"The list of vehicles manufactured in the United States which are approved for entry into Canada is published by Transport Canada. Make sure you check your vehicle against the List of Vehicles Admissible from the United States before you import. Where there is no information concerning a current model year (2008) US specification vehicle you must contact the manufacturer to determine its admissibility or inadmissibility. "



Is that what the lady said? Or is that your opinion?

That is my opinion. I have also contacted Toyota US. They told me they are currently waiting for certification results from a test facility in Canada, and that is why the list is not updated yet. But the lady from RIV told me that is actually Toyota Japan that has to provide the list. So, as you see, there is lots of conflicting information regarding this list.

Every time I call RIV I get a different answer. A few weeks ago, they were saying the 2008 Toyota models will be on the list in a couple of weeks. Last week they said the last estimate is between 3 and 4 weeks. And today they told me to call back in January !!!

As much as I want a Camry, I will refrain from buying untill the list is not updated. In my opinion Toyota is just buying time, so that will have time to notify all dealers not to sell to canadians.

By the way, the dealer that last week was willing to sell me a new Camry caled me today, saying he received the letter from Toyota and cannot sell anymore.

[diigii]

I just saw this excerpt from the Business Section of Canoe.ca

"In economic news, Statistics Canada says manufacturing sales slipped 1.7 per cent to $51.2 billion in August, erasing the 1.3 per cent gain recorded in July.

The agency blames a poor performance in the motor vehicle industry for pulling down sales overall.

Now, I don't know if that is attributable to all the imported vehicles bought in the US.

[fugazi11]

hmmm...did you talk to Chris at Multiline? I'm going to be leasing mine as far as I know. I told him to continue on with the same payments I'm making for my Ridgeline trade in.

Believe his name was Dave. I am also confused why you are paying $900/month to lease a tribeca. I received a price from a canadian dealer with zero down and it was cheaper then this.

Does Chris have an email that I could contact him at?

[dotcalamitie]

holy crap...the Tribeca's are in autotrader...my question is what sucker is going to buy the 2006 and 2007 used Tribeca's that are priced higher? There is a 2006 Tribeca listed at $34,000 with 64,000 km.... The marketplace just changed overnight kids!!! Ain't no one gonna buy that 2006 at that price if they see these US cars for sale. Anyone who owns a Tribeca just lost several thousand dollars in valuation. Everything each of us own has it's price ultimately dictated by the biggest economy in the world...the USA. So your dishwasher, stove, dryer, boat, car, furniture...it all devalues every day the US dollar drops. Those who artificially screw with the market, like the Canadian distribution channels are, are simply holding off the inevitable day when they have to drop their prices. The longer they hold off, the more their customers will resent them. The hit is big, and they will all have to do it because it's being done for them whether they like it or not. And putting up blockades like Bombardier is doing, destroys their business reputation and makes Bombardier look like an evil greedy corporation.

[jeffabby]

OK, I just finished importing a 2008 Subaro Outback 3.0 LLB. As I learned a great deal from those who posted, here are some notes on the process I went thru for anyone interested:

1. Shopped for car - wanted AWD, Subaru Outback fit the bill, on RIV eligibility list, knew dealers would sell, and warranty coverage (reimbursement basis)
2. Made deal with New Hampshire dealer - no hassle, up front, great price. Dealer included temporary plate good for 20 days.
3. Wired money (used xe.com since already had an account), dealer couriered docs for signature. Dealer required money up front but it was a registered Subaru dealer so I wasn't particularly worried about this.
4. Called Insurance company and advised them I had bought new car in US, would be improting it. No problem - Insurance was effective from date of sale and insurer emailed me temporary certificate good for 30 days in all provinces and states. I used The Cooperators (Coseco). Although I'm in Newfoundland the very nice agent I dealt with was in Ontario and they have no problem covering an import vehicle.
5. Received couriered docs from dealer. I signed and couried the Certificate of Origin and two copies of bill of sale to US customs in Calais Maine - Maine customs does not accept faxes. Recommend you call your border crossing directly to confirm their exact requirements.
6. Flew to Boston, took bus from airport to Manchester, New Hampshire (45 minutes, $15) Air Canada flies direct to Manchester from Toronto but Boston was an easier and cheaper connection for me.
7. Dealer picked me up at bus station (at 9 pm!) with my new car. Dealer also had obtained recall letter from Subaru of America. Passed along docs, drove dealer back to pick up his car at dealership. Simple and straightforward process and I would recommend dealer - Manchester Subaru- pm me if you want further details.
8. Spent a day in New Hampshire enjoying the lack of sales tax and did some factory outlet shopping. Drove to US customs at Calais, Maine. I had checked the online courier tracking - the courier had been delayed and my docs were only delivered about 48 hours ago (not the 72 required) but figured I'd try it anyway. No problem - in and out of US Customs in 10 minutes.
9.Crossed the border and went to Canadian Customs to pay GST and RIV taxes. Customs official takes care of faxing RIV. Total time at US and Canada Customs, about 45 minutes.
10. Drove to NS and took ferry (Live in western Nfld)
11. Arrived home and called RIV a day later - not in system yet as RIV is very busy these days. Called back the next day and received email of Form 2 within 10 minutes. Went to Cdn Tire and then Motor Vehicle Registration. No problems, have NL plate on car and good to go! Expect RIV compliance label in mail in couple of weeks.

General: I really like the car and saved between $18,000 and $19,000 on this purchase including the GST/PST (HST) tax savings and including my trip travel costs. Everyone, from dealer-US Customs-CDN Customs-RIV-Cdn Tire-Motor Vehicle Reg. was very familiar with the process and walks you thru it as you go. If you're nervous, don't be - Just make sure the car is admissable as per the RIV list, find a dealer with a good reputation and ensure you get the required docs to US Customs and you should be fine. I suggest you always have a copy of the docs such as the Certificate of Origin and bill of sale with you as it can speed the process at US and Canada Customs and they don't always return the copies. Thanks to all for the advise on this forum, and pm me if any questions.

[dotcalamitie]

chris@multiline.ca

You can pay whatever you want in a lease, it just changes the buyback price.

[dotcalamitie]

I do have friends who own dealerships here in Canada. They say that they are importing US vehicles as well as their Canadian sales slip. In fact, one friend told me his used car sales are triple that of last year...it's easier to sell used when a customer comes in and looks at the price of the new vehicles.

[diigii]

Congrats jeffabby on your Outback LLBean!

[scope11]

So I'm looking at purchasing and importing a Nissan Versa SL hatch from upstate NY. Only thing holding me back is being a bit nervous on the warrenty thing. After calling a bunch of Nissan dealerships in the area, most of them told me right off the bat that my warrenty would be void. I'd be saving about $4k on the deal.

Anyhow - got an offer I'm happy with from one dealer, and when I brought up my concerns about warrenty, he told me that I could bring the vehical back to them for warrenty work anytime regardless.

Thoughts? Make him put it in writing?

[jrvic]

Does anyone know where I can do a US car import without going back to the border? I am currently in Toronto, in possession of a US plated RX350.

[diigii]

I do have friends who own dealerships here in Canada. They say that they are importing US vehicles as well as their Canadian sales slip. In fact, one friend told me his used car sales are triple that of last year...it's easier to sell used when a customer comes in and looks at the price of the new vehicles.

You should tell Canada's self-proclaimed auto expert D. DesRosiers that. He doesn't know that fact! He gets fed info from his masters. :cheesygri

[leegoon84]

man, we should change the thread title to Subaru from US, is anyone getting cars other than Subarus?

[dotcalamitie]

here is the Winnipeg Free Press article on snowmobiles

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/subscriber/local/story/4057908p-4662390c.html

[leegoon84]

Are there any trust worthy Subaru Dealer near Montreal Boarder?

[dotcalamitie]

LOL...Subaru is just popular this week because of the 8 Tribecas that just came in and got sold.

[dotcalamitie]

I have an idea...we should lobby our government to impose warranty laws on Canadian facilities. it is the only way to ensure free trade and a vibrant, competitive marketplace. Obviously the existing system is not working. Why should we be forced to buy from our Canadian distribution channels when it is clearly not efficient. That is called monopoly or communism. Take your pick.

[yyz2hkg]

Does anyone know where I can do a US car import without going back to the border? I am currently in Toronto, in possession of a US plated RX350.

No. They have a process that you MUST go through.

[dotcalamitie]

Just wait for some feedback from irate Tribeca buyers. Can you imagine how pissed you would be if you just paid $43,000 for one? I would be screaming at Subaru Canada for ripping me off. In fact, I would bet you could sue them and win under the consumer protection laws. Same applies to the other car companies.

[michelb]

I have an idea...we should lobby our government to impose warranty laws on Canadian facilities. it is the only way to ensure free trade and a vibrant, competitive marketplace. Obviously the existing system is not working. Why should we be forced to buy from our Canadian distribution channels when it is clearly not efficient. That is called monopoly or communism. Take your pick.

How exactly is the Canadian government going to force US companies (e.g. Toyota Motor Sales USA, American Honda Motor Co, Subaru of America, etc) to offer warranty in Canada? Even if the vehicles are being built at Canadian plants, they are being sold to the public by American entities. As far as the Canadian companies, you can't force them to offer warranties on products they don't sell ...

[scouzi]

Are there any trust worthy Subaru Dealer near Montreal Boarder?

Burlington Subaru. They do the US paperwork for you.

[dotcalamitie]

It's simple, you can pass a law for anything. In this case, the consumer is being screwed by the CDN distributor who is trying to impede free trade and a free marketplace across the border. A simple law could be put into effect where any US owned Canadian subsidiary must provide Canadians with warranty equivalent to their choice of the Canadian warranty or the American warranty regardless of the country of origin. This would stop the anti competitive behaviour because the only thing that the distributors are talking up as the value difference is the warranty.

[dotcalamitie]

I actually think that this Subaru deal from Multiline is going to make waves in the industry. The government will pick up on this too...Canadian consumers have been ripped off enough...which will result either in a free marketplace across the border and prices being set to a fair market price. The last run like this I remember was in the late 70's, I made trips to the US to buy electronics circumventig the CDN distribution channel. With our strong CDN dollar and economy, we should open our gates to our citizens to purchase freely in the USA.

[Symcrapico]

Burlington Subaru. They do the US paperwork for you.

They do the US paperwork, but they quoted me 2000$ above Xan at Manchester!

Btw, I got my car plated today. Everything was really smooth. Inspection was done in less than 5 min and the SAAQ was like a 30 min thing.

Ive just calculated the total amount in canadian dollar of my purchase, including RIV fee, A/C fee, Fed and provicial taxes and a 300$ of gaz and food:................drum roll















31988$ CAD for a 2008 Subary Legacy 2.5GT with an automatic transmission!

[dotcalamitie]

Ya Symcrapio!!! Great deal!!!

[diigii]

They do the US paperwork, but they quoted me 2000$ above Xan at Manchester!

Btw, I got my car plated today. Everything was really smooth. Inspection was done in less than 5 min and the SAAQ was like a 30 min thing.

Ive just calculated the total amount in canadian dollar of my purchase, including RIV fee, A/C fee, Fed and provicial taxes and a 300$ of gaz and food:................drum roll

















31988$ CAD for a 2008 Subary Legacy 2.5GT with an automatic transmission!

Woohoo!!!!!! Congrats! :lol:

[Xinc]

I live in Toronto (which is an expensive insurance area) and I'm paying just over $1000 per year for my new loaded Subaru LLBean. Includes: under-insured motorist coverage, roadside assistance, $1 million liability, accident forgiveness, comparable replacement rental, $100 comprehensive, $500 collision, 12-month 100% replacement (cash settlement for total purchase price if vehicle is stolen or written off in the first year). I replaced a 10-year old Taurus that cost me about $700 a year to insure (same coverage). That policy includes the following discounts: Accident-free, Multi-car, Home, Life, "Over 50km. weekly" and "driven over 12,000 km yearly".

I've been with State Farm for over 30 years and have NEVER had a chargeable accident. I've been hit (but culpability was placed on the other driver).

My agent told me that the Subaru rated VERY HIGH in the IIHS.org accident testing and my rates reflect that.

Hope that helps you.


Hey Thanks a lot for that piece of information. It definitely is reassuring to learn that the Subaru is relatively cheap to keep, since I was worried that I may have to pay a premium for AWD.

Thanks once again. Off to the states and pick up a Subie lol

[bkushner]

Are you planning on exporting the FX's to Canada? By our dealer franchise agreement with Infiniti, it is against policy to sell new vehicles outside the U.S.

This sent to me from Isley Infiniti in Illinois. I guess Infiniti is playing hardball now.

[eastsidesubaru]

Zach, your friend Karl @ VB does exactly what you opposed to. The fact is I was in and out of the dealership for just a little more than an hour and they did everything including Notorize the MSO, paperwork, signing etc. My check was on the business manager's desk when I was handed the key. Oh, did I mention, not even a single Dollar was required for a deposit. Theoretically, I cannot argue the risk you would take by accepting Bank Draft with almost no time to verify the authenticity. However, for majority of the buyers, it is confidence and trust, let alone, convenience. I hope Karl would never have a problem with some bad apples and keep doing the same. Do u? Zach?

I respect that and different people have different ways of doing things.
I am not saying I won't take a bank draft etc. I have. But to say that you should 'never' wire transfer is the point I was arguing.. I think it is rather silly. It makes everything a lot easier. :cheesygri

[colinc]

Jadeboy,

My understanding is that although the vehicles may be mechanically identical, Toyota USA has to submit paperwork to Transport Canada related to immobilizers that are being mandated by the insurance industry (don't quote me on this). Most Toyotas have them.

As an FYI, Transport Canada determines admissible vehicles, not RIV. RIV is essentially the import process conduit, which is run by a third party -- Livingston International.

Frankly, the skeptic in me thinks that Honda and Toyota, along with a number of other manufacturers, to delay imports on '08s. The moment they submit this, the floodgates for US demand from Canadians will open a bit more.

Colin

[Hutzal]

I have been looking at getting a Mitsubishi Outlander 2007 model (used) from the states. I can drive to spokane from calgary in about 9-10 hours.

Just wondering if there are any particular places I should be looking at for mitsubishi and anyone knows about?

Thanks guys.

[smpmush]

Jadeboy,

My understanding is that although the vehicles may be mechanically identical, Toyota USA has to submit paperwork to Transport Canada related to immobilizers that are being mandated by the insurance industry (don't quote me on this). Most Toyotas have them.

As an FYI, Transport Canada determines admissible vehicles, not RIV. RIV is essentially the import process conduit, which is run by a third party -- Livingston International.

Frankly, the skeptic in me thinks that Honda and Toyota, along with a number of other manufacturers, to delay imports on '08s. The moment they submit this, the floodgates for US demand from Canadians will open a bit more.

Colin

Not submitting the paperwork to the government is a blatant move to stop/slow the flood of vehicals comming across the border! Being in the auto assembly business for some 25 years, i have never seen parts labeled US/Can.. You pull the same part from the same bin to build the same vehical wheter it is destined for the US or Can.... IN the Case of DRL's all the vehicals I have built were equipted with them .. They are progameed to come on or not come as per the laws of the country the vehical is going to sold in...This is done when the cars main computer is programmed... To change this it is as simple as hooking up a tech 3 to the vehical and changing the setting for DRL's... Manufacturers use these things to try and mislead Canadian consumers into believeing that there are extra costs involved for the Canadian market to justify the difference in MSRP! They have made a lot of money in the last few years in the Canadian market and will fight this to the bitter end to protect those proffits.. In the long run what will happen to them... come on folks this is Canada .. When was the last time a huge corp. has gotten more than a slap on the wrist for fleesing consumers.. They have nothing to lose when in the end the worst that will happen to them is stern warning from the government most likely with 0 monetary penalties for thier actions.. Even if a fine is imposed it will be a drop in the bucket compared to profits they made and at the end of the day accountants will find a way to write off the fine as a tax deduction... It would seem there legal council is telling them to stay the course as the end will result, will not cause them any financial pain ... Remember we live in Canada huge corp's have no fear of repercussions from the government.. And if you think the government will enact laws to protect consumers from this type of gouging think again .. The only thing that will bring about change to this problem will be a drop in profits and the auto manufactures are moving everyday to protect these profits with the threats to US dealers, denial of warrenty etc..

[scouzi]

They do the US paperwork, but they quoted me 2000$ above Xan at Manchester!

Btw, I got my car plated today. Everything was really smooth. Inspection was done in less than 5 min and the SAAQ was like a 30 min thing.

Ive just calculated the total amount in canadian dollar of my purchase, including RIV fee, A/C fee, Fed and provicial taxes and a 300$ of gaz and food:................drum roll







31988$ CAD for a 2008 Subary Legacy 2.5GT with an automatic transmission!

2k? Really?

I could get about $500 more for my Tribeca further south but that's about it.

[Louist]

quote, "By the way, the dealer that last week was willing to sell me a new Camry called me today, saying he received the letter from Toyota and cannot sell anymore."

Well I'd write back to "TOYOTA" and rephrase..."I sent a letter to one of your Toyota dealerships explaining why I cannot BUY your pruduct anymore"

Forcing me to buy a competitors car, might have been the kindest thing Corporate Toyota has done for me in quite some time.

Thanks for the 15000.00 savings you directed me towards by buying a competitors car, instead of your Canadian counterparts.

[Louist]

If everyone that saved 15k took a dollar out of their winfall, "will work for food" signs could be brought to the Canadian Auto Dealerships, (charity)...to be used to picket Headquarters. It is nearly Christmas and all.

[Lost Horizon]

quote, "By the way, the dealer that last week was willing to sell me a new Camry called me today, saying he received the letter from Toyota and cannot sell anymore."

Well I'd write back to "TOYOTA" and rephrase..."I sent a letter to one of your Toyota dealerships explaining why I cannot BUY your pruduct anymore"

Forcing me to buy a competitors car, might have been the kindest thing Corporate Toyota has done for me in quite some time.

Thanks for the 15000.00 savings you directed me towards by buying a competitors car, instead of your Canadian counterparts.

You aren't alone.. My wife has been a loyal Honda buyer from the local dealer for 3 new cars in a row in the last 10 years... she just signed up for an X-Border Subaru Legacy Limited and loaded for less than a Civic here.. Bye, bye Honda.. for good.. She would have never even considered looking at anything else until this dust up, and suddenly she is in love with the look and feel of a new Subaru, a name not on her mind before, never mind the 14k savings to sweeten the deal...

[southpaw4golf]

All this about shutting the doors to Canadian buyers is IMO a precedence to an impending collapse of the US dollar. I think the facts are pointing to that direction and the detrimental effect it will have on both economies.
On a more positive note I have just purchased a 07 Honda Ridgeline used with low mileage from a US dealer, and a wopping 20k off of MSRP, second purchase for me this year.

[Billyboy]

I know, it's propbably been said 100 times, but I don't have time right now to sift through old posts.

As I understand it, the ONLY thing I need to send US Customs 72 hours prior, is the certificate of title. Is this correct?

Is the VIN numer on the Certificate of Title?

Do they require a sales receipt or any other documentation?

Is a fax good enough, or do the need the original title certificate?

If I am buying a used car and I have the owner fax the certificate of title 72 hours before I get there, that title won't say I'm the owner because he would not have signed it over it to me before I got there and paid him. How does that work? Do I need to stay 3 days in the US?!?

Where do I get tags if it is a private sale? Does the seller get them for me?

Thanks guys,

I'm close...

[crasher]

I know, it's propbably been said 100 times, but I don't have time right now to sift through old posts.

As I understand it, the ONLY thing I need to send US Customs 72 hours prior, is the certificate of title. Is this correct?

Is the VIN numer on the Certificate of Title?

Do they require a sales receipt or any other documentation?

Is a fax good enough, or do the need the original title certificate?

If I am buying a used car and I have the owner fax the certificate of title 72 hours before I get there, that title won't say I'm the owner because he would not have signed it over it to me before I got there and paid him. How does that work? Do I need to stay 3 days in the US?!?

Where do I get tags if it is a private sale? Does the seller get them for me?

Thanks guys,

I'm close...

Your best bet is to call that port and ask them directly, as all follow different guidlines, some accept fax, some only accept originals, while some also want BOS. So just call and ask them directly.

[Lost Horizon]

I know, it's propbably been said 100 times, but I don't have time right now to sift through old posts.

As I understand it, the ONLY thing I need to send US Customs 72 hours prior, is the certificate of title. Is this correct?

Is the VIN numer on the Certificate of Title?

Do they require a sales receipt or any other documentation?

Is a fax good enough, or do the need the original title certificate?

If I am buying a used car and I have the owner fax the certificate of title 72 hours before I get there, that title won't say I'm the owner because he would not have signed it over it to me before I got there and paid him. How does that work? Do I need to stay 3 days in the US?!?

Where do I get tags if it is a private sale? Does the seller get them for me?

Thanks guys,

I'm close...


I'd say if you don't have time for this part, you should just pay a broker. If you are going to do it, the border folks are not going to interpret anything. You have to have the documentation exactly right, for the Export (USA) side of the border and a different set of stuff for Import (The CDN side of the border). It's only the US that you have to give notice, then confirm they got it, and they will tell you when.

How to Import 101 (http://www.riv.ca/english/html/how_to_import.html)

[ziploc]

For those who has imported Nissan vehicle...how hard and how much it cost to add DRL's....???
thx
I'm thinking about Pathfinder or maybe Quest...

[Billyboy]

I'd say if you don't have time for this part, you should just pay a broker. If you are going to do it, the border folks are not going to interpret anything. You have to have the documentation exactly right, for the Export (USA) side of the border and a different set of stuff for Import (The CDN side of the border). It's only the US that you have to give notice, then confirm they got it, and they will tell you when.

How to Import 101 (http://www.riv.ca/english/html/how_to_import.html)

Look, I 've referred to that link a dozen times. I can't find any contact info for US Customs. No tel#, no fax#.

They say they need Certficate of Title 72 hours prior for used car export. That doesn't tell me if they need original or fax, that doesn't tell me if the certificate of Title needs to have been signed over or not before it is faxed. That doesn't tell me where I get the tags in the US.

If you can answer any of these questions, I would appreciate it.

[Billyboy]

Anyone have a telephone # for US customs?

[MasterXan]

has anyone from Toronto used a broker before? how much would they charge? would using them be defeating the purpose of importing the car?

[crasher]

Anyone have a telephone # for US customs?

Which port???

[Lost Horizon]

Look, I 've referred to that link a dozen times. I can't find any contact info for US Customs. No tel#, no fax#.

They say they need Certficate of Title 72 hours prior for used car export. That doesn't tell me if they need original or fax, that doesn't tell me if the certificate of Title needs to have been signed over or not before it is faxed. That doesn't tell me where I get the tags in the US.

If you can answer any of these questions, I would appreciate it.

All I did was look up the border crossing in Google......... for me, it's Blaine WA. Go from there. They won't likely chat or even answer the phone, but there usually is a message on what to email where to request a package and instructions for that crossing.. They are really busy these days.

As I said, you can just call your local broker if this is too hard..

[J233]

This is exactly the problem I am having !

I called RIV again today, and a lady told me to call back in January !!! since the 2008 Toyota models are not on the list yet. She also mentioned there is no guarantee that the 2008 Toyota models will EVER be on the list.

This is soo frustrating !!!! The 2008 Camry is virtually unchanged compared to the 2007 model, but yet Toyota is refusing to certify it for import.

What kind of Toyota did you ask about ? Passanger or minivan/SUV or 2008 Toyota in general ?

[J233]

That is my opinion. I have also contacted Toyota US. They told me they are currently waiting for certification results from a test facility in Canada, and that is why the list is not updated yet. But the lady from RIV told me that is actually Toyota Japan that has to provide the list. So, as you see, there is lots of conflicting information regarding this list.

Every time I call RIV I get a different answer. A few weeks ago, they were saying the 2008 Toyota models will be on the list in a couple of weeks. Last week they said the last estimate is between 3 and 4 weeks. And today they told me to call back in January !!!

As much as I want a Camry, I will refrain from buying untill the list is not updated. In my opinion Toyota is just buying time, so that will have time to notify all dealers not to sell to canadians.

By the way, the dealer that last week was willing to sell me a new Camry caled me today, saying he received the letter from Toyota and cannot sell anymore.

Hm....very similar story to the one I've been hearing from GM......except the January thing...

[waldox]

http://www.canadaone.com/ezine/sept07/import.html


"Chrysler, Acura-Honda and Mazda do not transfer their US warranties over to Canada if the owner moves, so the owner would need to drive to the US in order to repair his/her vehicle. Audi-VW, Toyota-Lexus, BMW, Ford, and Volvo on the other hand do honour their US warranty in Canada.

"Audi and VW cars bought in the US and brought to Canada can be repaired at any Canadian Audi-VW dealer, they are repaired under VW's North American Warranty," said Remi Lobo, VW Service Advisor for Agincourt Autohaus Inc.

Some manufacturers like Mercedes-Benz have a limited warranty if the car is registered in Canada, and may need the car be brought up to Canadian standards by a certified dealer to qualify for the warranty."

[Lost Horizon]

Anyone have a telephone # for US customs?

Which port???

I'm assuming you would use St Albans...

Easy Button.. (http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/toolbox/contacts/ports/vt/0201.xml)

[Billyboy]

Which port???

LaColle border crossing.

I'm googling for the number and reading through PDF documents...

Why don't they just post a tel# on their site??!!

Can anyone tell me EXACTLY what US Customs expects to receive 72 hours prior.

Originals docs?

Will fax do?

What's their fax #? (LaColle crossing)

How do I get the docs to them 72 hours prior?

Does the tilte certificate need to be already signed over to me 72 hours prior? That would mean I need to wait 3 days in the states.

Lot's of people have been through this here. Can anyone help? Has anyone ever called them or faxed them before?

[Billyboy]

1.877.227.5511 for CBP.

I'll try it tomorrow.

[Lost Horizon]

1.877.227.5511 for CBP.

I'll try it tomorrow.

..you have to do the US Export side of the story.. Champlain.. and it has to be a CBP, which it is.. I'd use their Customer Service number to start, but that's just me..

(202) 354-1000


Easy Button Champlain.. (http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/toolbox/contacts/ports/ny/0712.xml)

Every Crossing is different.. Blaine is OK with Faxes to start the process, for them you need Title or Certificate of Origin for a new vehicle, Purchase Order/Bill or sale.. then you fill out their custom cover sheet, and you ask about it a day or so later. The fax time starts the 3 days, but they warn that is a minimum.. it may take them longer... Like, don't call us, we'll call you type of thing..

[bxconst]

What kind of Toyota did you ask about ? Passanger or minivan/SUV or 2008 Toyota in general ?

I asked about passanger cars. The 2008 minivans/SUVs are already approved for import.

[longdong]

LaColle border crossing.

I'm googling for the number and reading through PDF documents...

Why don't they just post a tel# on their site??!!

Can anyone tell me EXACTLY what US Customs expects to receive 72 hours prior.

Originals docs?

Will fax do?

What's their fax #? (LaColle crossing)

How do I get the docs to them 72 hours prior?

Does the tilte certificate need to be already signed over to me 72 hours prior? That would mean I need to wait 3 days in the states.

Lot's of people have been through this here. Can anyone help? Has anyone ever called them or faxed them before?

it's champlain border, you need to send original certificate of title + 2 copies , 1 copy of Bill of sale.

Port Code: 0712
Location Address: 237 West Service Road
Champlain, NY 12919
Mailing Address: Same As Above
General Phone: (518) 298-8327
General Fax: (518)298-8395

Name: Export Control
Phone: (518) 298-8335

[mikeroyal]

GM re call letters, Chevrolet how do you get one will GM US office issue with one?

Provincial and Federal (BC) tests is there any lists of what these include

And how do you stand with moded cars engines Turbo exhaust etc

[jadeboy]

"I called RIV again today, and a lady told me to call back in January !!!"

Please phone again to see if you get the same answer about Lexus/Toyota.... It seems you get different answer based on whom you talk to... I try phoning today but hung up after waiting too long.. it has always been, it will be this "week or next week" .. never in January.... well it's already next week... and still no update to the list... the last time the list was updated was Oct 9, 2007.

And they have added this to riv.ca

"The list of vehicles manufactured in the United States which are approved for entry into Canada is published by Transport Canada. Make sure you check your vehicle against the List of Vehicles Admissible from the United States before you import. Where there is no information concerning a current model year (2008) US specification vehicle you must contact the manufacturer to determine its admissibility or inadmissibility."

I emailed Lexus USA and have not got any email back.

[happyandrew]

I am going to pick up a pre-ownd BMW X5 this Saturday. I know from this thread that I have to get a recall clearance letter from a Canadian dealer and it will cost $500. This has been confirmed by my US dealer, and BMW USA will not issue the letter to a canadian purchase. No surprise here.
However, my local dealer issits that they will not issue this letter until I bring the vehicle here and they can perform some inspection. Another dealer I called even wants to do an out of province inspection and install DRL, and charge $$$.
My questions are:
Do I have to get the recall clerance letter before crossing board?

The US dealer told me I will have an actual title, and I don't need a certificate of Origin or MSO (Manufacture Statement of origin?). It this correct? What is the difference between title and COO or MSO?

Thanks.

[teep]

OK, I just finished importing a 2008 Subaro Outback 3.0 LLB. As I learned a great deal from those who posted, here are some notes on the process I went thru for anyone interested:


Way to go Jeffabby: congrats on another imported Yankee LLBean Subie in Canada! We are really enjoying ours.

[teep]

Anyone know how long it takes RIV to mail the "sticker" after successful importation? Its been almost 3 weeks now since we registered the new Subie, and theres nothing arrived in the mail yet. I guess RIV are pretty busy ....

[hksun]

My questions are:
Do I have to get the recall clerance letter before crossing board?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

No, you don't need the recall letter for border Xing. The letter is only needed for you to get Form 2 and inspection.

[Tuppin]

Side note....did anyone notice that Consumer Reports just came out with their reliability report on cars. Toyota fell from #1 to #3 behind Honda and Subaru. Apparently the V6 Camry and new Tundra are below average reliability!

Subaru is the only Manufacturer to have all vehicles recommended by CR and have all vehicles above average for reliability!

Mercedes had no recommended vehicles and all are below average reliability!

[gsuperman]

Another successful Subaru Importer here :) Picked up my 08 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Limited on Monday from Karl at VB. Border was pretty easy on both sides...a little bit of a wait on the CDN side, as there were a few other importers too.

After I crossed back thru the Lewiston Bridge and finished all the paperwork, I headed straight to the RIV office in West Mall. By the time I got there it was 4:15, and they close at 4:30, so I was lucky.

There were a few other importers in that office too, waiting for their forms to be completed. Funny enough, as I went into the office, there was a group of 3 people ahead of me who already submitted their forms. When the lady gave each of them the Form 2 and the letter, she took mine and then left the front desk area. All 3 of the guys were just standing around not knowing what to do. So I went and explained to them you need to take your car to CDN tire for the Federal Inspection, then if all works out well, they fax the form back, and then you go to the MTO to get your ownership and plates. All 3 guys thanked me to no end and said, "Hey, looks like someone's done this before". To which I laughed and said no, I just read up alot on RFD, and knew the steps inside and out.

I managed to make it to CDN tire that night too, was quick and easy, and I finally got my plates and ownership yesterday.

All in all, really easy process, and well worth it. All told, my savings is around the $17,000 mark. Exchange rate was really good to me last Friday!

Thanks again everyone for all the help and friendly advice. I'll be sure to post pictures some time soon.

[whampoa]

Anyone know how long it takes RIV to mail the "sticker" after successful importation? Its been almost 3 weeks now since we registered the new Subie, and theres nothing arrived in the mail yet. I guess RIV are pretty busy ....

No, they did not forget about it. It just happened they haven't received the fax from your CT inspection.

That's what happened to me, after a month I call RIV about this issue, they will send you the sticker, if you have a copy of Form 2 safety inspection and fax it directly to them.

[Ridgeback]

I think the problem is that a faxed confirmation of coverage ( a binder ) has to be sent by the broker or insurance company to the US state DMV for them to issue a temporary trip permit.

At this point the purchase transaction may not be fully completed and the insurers bulk at issuing a written confirmation for a transaction in process.

I personaly went through similar problems a few months back with a division of TD Insurance but I was persistant and after some hassles they issued the binder.

My advise is talk to the insurer or broker before completing the transaction and ask them exactly what they will need. Get the individuals name and then deal with the same person. If the first person you deal with is clueless about the process ask to speak to someone who is familiar with it.

This is the same problem I have. My insurance company says I will be covered for 14 days, but that they will not issue any paperwork until the vehicle is fully registered in Ontario...regardless of whether they have the VIN or not. Has anyone found a way around this? Can anyone confirm that you need to have WRITTEN confirmation of insurance when crossing the border? My insurance company says that the border people can even call them if they like, but they will not issue any confirmation paperwork...

[scrolllock]

Jadeboy,

My understanding is that although the vehicles may be mechanically identical, Toyota USA has to submit paperwork to Transport Canada related to immobilizers that are being mandated by the insurance industry (don't quote me on this). Most Toyotas have them.

As an FYI, Transport Canada determines admissible vehicles, not RIV. RIV is essentially the import process conduit, which is run by a third party -- Livingston International.

Frankly, the skeptic in me thinks that Honda and Toyota, along with a number of other manufacturers, to delay imports on '08s. The moment they submit this, the floodgates for US demand from Canadians will open a bit more.

Colin




These boys are just playing games to discourage Canadians from buying in the US. The US dealers were informed last week in writing that they would face severe penelties if they sold to Canadians.

The imobilizer should not be an issue. Even though our good friends at Honda Canada have not submitted the paperwork to the Insurance Board of Canada IBC ( see their web site ) , it just means that you can get a further insurance discount because their system has not been approved. It should not stop them from being imported. Since the same system is being used in models sold in Canada.

http://www.ibc.ca/en/Insurance_Crime/Prevention_Investigation/Immobilizers/Immobilizer-FAQs.asp


Since Honda Canada has now started advertising and selling the 2008 Civics I wonder how they will explain to their customers that they can't have the discount.

I learned a long time ago, that when you were number one, don't be "cocky and upset people"... they have long memories.. and just wait til GM gets its act together...

[jnmontario]

Now only if subaru sold a hybrid! I hate having to wait for honda/toyota's 2008s to get approved (read: submit their material) to discuss things with an american dealer.

[gsuperman]

Now only if subaru sold a hybrid! I hate having to wait for honda/toyota's 2008s to get approved (read: submit their material) to discuss things with an american dealer.


My Subaru Legacy model has a PZEV tag on the back, which I found out stands for Partial Zero Emission vehicle. From what I've read, it's only available in U.S. States with the more strict emissions standards, New York being one of them.

Here's the wiki link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PZEV

Karl told me this also means the car is just as energy efficient as a hybrid, in terms of reduced pollutants emitted. But not as fuel efficient as a hybrid.

Does that change your mind to a Subaru :)

[dlseeker]

This is the same problem I have. My insurance company says I will be covered for 14 days, but that they will not issue any paperwork until the vehicle is fully registered in Ontario...regardless of whether they have the VIN or not. Has anyone found a way around this? Can anyone confirm that you need to have WRITTEN confirmation of insurance when crossing the border? My insurance company says that the border people can even call them if they like, but they will not issue any confirmation paperwork...

The need for written confirmation is to get a temporary trip permit in the US to travel back to Canada nobody at the border cares.

We all have some dificulty with the insurance binder. Normaly if you are persistant and find someone within the insurance company that knows the process in the end they will issue it. Worse case scenario is to have the car shipped to Canada and dropped off at a Canadian Tire location for the RIV Inspection, however this should not be necessary because of insurance issues.

[jnmontario]

does the $2k government rebate apply to those? I know that hyrbids fall into that category (e.g. I can pick up an US prius/civic and bring it back to 22-24K and get another 2k in savings by using the gov't rebate program).

If so - giggity!

My Subaru Legacy model has a PZEV tag on the back, which I found out stands for Partial Zero Emission vehicle. From what I've read, it's only available in U.S. States with the more strict emissions standards, New York being one of them.

Here's the wiki link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PZEV

Karl told me this also means the car is just as energy efficient as a hybrid, in terms of reduced pollutants emitted. But not as fuel efficient as a hybrid.

Does that change your mind to a Subaru :)

[gsuperman]

does the $2k government rebate apply to those? I know that hyrbids fall into that category (e.g. I can pick up an US prius/civic and bring it back to 22-24K and get another 2k in savings by using the gov't rebate program).

If so - giggity!

No, the government rebate doesn't apply to those. As the PZEV is a US only spec.

[ruvz]

I am going to pick up a pre-ownd BMW X5 this Saturday. I know from this thread that I have to get a recall clearance letter from a Canadian dealer and it will cost $500. This has been confirmed by my US dealer, and BMW USA will not issue the letter to a canadian purchase. No surprise here.
However, my local dealer issits that they will not issue this letter until I bring the vehicle here and they can perform some inspection. Another dealer I called even wants to do an out of province inspection and install DRL, and charge $$$.
My questions are:
Do I have to get the recall clerance letter before crossing board?

The US dealer told me I will have an actual title, and I don't need a certificate of Origin or MSO (Manufacture Statement of origin?). It this correct? What is the difference between title and COO or MSO?

Thanks.

Has anyone been successful in getting the BMW dealer either from the U.S Head office or getting the previous owner to request it (and hence avoid the $500 robbery)??

As per RIV, I dont see any mentioned that the letter must come from BMW of Canada:

The letter must come from the OEM's head office and be written on official company letterhead, duly signed with the name and position of the official at the OEM clearly visible. If the manufacturer's logo is not on the letter it will not be accepted.

[diigii]

Cars aside, I just finished reading this article on the business section that the Greater Toronto Airport Authority (GTAA) is now reducing landing fees to be competitive. This action has been too late in being considered since a lot of Canadians save on their flights by driving to Buffalo and flying out from there. I've done that a couple of times and I saved about $300 on each return flight. GTAA finally realized they're not in a competitive position since Buffalo-Niagara Int'l Airport offers free shuttle. A week's parking costs only $40. At Pearson, you have to surrender your mortgage to park there for a day!!!

[Billyboy]

You want the job done right, do it yourself! Indeed.

So, I have the EXACT information of US Customs which you.

I reached them at: 518-298-8371.

They answered within one ring. No bloody computers. No press this # and that #. I was in shock. Great effecient service.

What you need to do is:

Go to the states, buy the car and THEN send them an ORIGINAL Certficate of Title (signed in the back by the vendor), 2 copies of said title and the Bill of Sale, in advance, 72 hours prior.

THAT means, that you will be stuck in the US 3 days.

The vendor ain't signing and fed exing his title away without your money safely secured and I sure hope you ain't dumb enough to wire 20K before you see the car.

US customs mailing address for Lacolle, Quebec is:

US Customs - export control
237 West Service Road
Champlain, NY
12919, USA

BTW, they will be installing the dreaded automated response soon, cause they've been "flooded with call from us guys".

[bobsyouruncle]

Anyone know how long it takes RIV to mail the "sticker" after successful importation? Its been almost 3 weeks now since we registered the new Subie, and theres nothing arrived in the mail yet. I guess RIV are pretty busy ....

Mine came fairly quick. I got the inspection done on Wednesday Oct 10 and my RIV sticker came in the mail Monday Oct 15. I would call RIV to check on the progress.

[diigii]

Anyone know how long it takes RIV to mail the "sticker" after successful importation? Its been almost 3 weeks now since we registered the new Subie, and theres nothing arrived in the mail yet. I guess RIV are pretty busy ....

Mine arrived exactly 6 business days after I passed the Canadian Tire inspections.

[shopper-X]

Mine arrived exactly 6 business days after I passed the Canadian Tire inspections.

I was emailed Form 2 on September 28 and still have not received it in the mail. CT faxed Form 2 to RIV on Friday so I'll see how long it takes for the sticker.

[heinrich]

So I'm trying to get PC Insurance to issue the paperwork Karl at Van Bortel requires, confirming that the Subaru I intend to pick up will be covered. The PC call center guys all acknowledge that I'm covered from 14 days from purchase, as discussed here, but I can't find anyone there willing to issue a statement on letterhead that the *particular* car with given vin will be covered as of a certain date - they just refuse to deal with an "unregistered" car on that basis.

One fellow at the call center suggested I get a temporary trip permit from the dmv in ontario, but when I called about that they laughed me off the phone...

I noticed one other posting from 2006 in this thread that someone successfully got PC to insure an "unplated" car - any suggestions on navigating the bureaucracy to make this happen? Has anyone got the required letter from PC Insurance? If so, please advise how you made it happen... I have wasted a LOT of time... I wouldn't persist, except all my other insurance is already with PC, so the discounts make sense... Thanks for any help.

[bobsyouruncle]

I am going to pick up a pre-ownd BMW X5 this Saturday. I know from this thread that I have to get a recall clearance letter from a Canadian dealer and it will cost $500. This has been confirmed by my US dealer, and BMW USA will not issue the letter to a canadian purchase. No surprise here.
However, my local dealer issits that they will not issue this letter until I bring the vehicle here and they can perform some inspection. Another dealer I called even wants to do an out of province inspection and install DRL, and charge $$$.
My questions are:
Do I have to get the recall clerance letter before crossing board?

The US dealer told me I will have an actual title, and I don't need a certificate of Origin or MSO (Manufacture Statement of origin?). It this correct? What is the difference between title and COO or MSO?

Thanks.

While I have not imported a BMW myself there has been a lot of discussion on another forum (ebay.ca) where this topic has come up.

Most people are paying the $500 to get the recall clearance letter from BMW and paying about $130 to get DRL installed. Some people, however, have claimed that RIV has accepted the 'Warranty Vehicle Enquiry' report printed on paper having an US based BMW authorized dealer letterhead logo and thus avoided the $500 extortion fee.

[Lost Horizon]

So I'm trying to get PC Insurance to issue the paperwork Karl at Van Bortel requires, confirming that the Subaru I intend to pick up will be covered. The PC call center guys all acknowledge that I'm covered from 14 days from purchase, as discussed here, but I can't find anyone there willing to issue a statement on letterhead that the *particular* car with given vin will be covered as of a certain date - they just refuse to deal with an "unregistered" car on that basis.

One fellow at the call center suggested I get a temporary trip permit from the dmv in ontario, but when I called about that they laughed me off the phone...

I noticed one other posting from 2006 in this thread that someone successfully got PC to insure an "unplated" car - any suggestions on navigating the bureaucracy to make this happen? Has anyone got the required letter from PC Insurance? If so, please advise how you made it happen... I have wasted a LOT of time... I wouldn't persist, except all my other insurance is already with PC, so the discounts make sense... Thanks for any help.


Hmm.. Quebec might be on a different planet, so this may not apply... but, in BC, I got a thing called "Binder for Owner's Interim Certificate of Insurance".. usual kind of coverage, 500 deductible, 5m PLPD, etc.. and it's assigned to my VIN

[Lost Horizon]

While I have not imported a BMW myself there has been a lot of discussion on another forum (ebay.ca) where this topic has come up.

Most people are paying the $500 to get the recall clearance letter from BMW and paying about $130 to get DRL installed. Some people, however, have claimed that RIV has accepted the 'Warranty Vehicle Enquiry' report printed on paper having an US based BMW authorized dealer letterhead logo and thus avoided the $500 extortion fee.

As an aside, (I also own a new 335 twin turbo coupe), I have found BMW Canada to be particularly arrogant in all aspects of how they treat you after you become "the customer". The missing Oil coolers from some performance packages is an example of "Go to hell" for Canadians, whereas BMWNA does step up to the plate in the USA and do the right thing. Not Canada tho. I'm surprised the brickheads aren't squeezing you harder. They own you like a chicken to be plucked, in their minds. Nice people.

[Tender]

So I'm trying to get PC Insurance to issue the paperwork Karl at Van Bortel requires, confirming that the Subaru I intend to pick up will be covered. The PC call center guys all acknowledge that I'm covered from 14 days from purchase, as discussed here, but I can't find anyone there willing to issue a statement on letterhead that the *particular* car with given vin will be covered as of a certain date - they just refuse to deal with an "unregistered" car on that basis.

One fellow at the call center suggested I get a temporary trip permit from the dmv in ontario, but when I called about that they laughed me off the phone...

I noticed one other posting from 2006 in this thread that someone successfully got PC to insure an "unplated" car - any suggestions on navigating the bureaucracy to make this happen? Has anyone got the required letter from PC Insurance? If so, please advise how you made it happen... I have wasted a LOT of time... I wouldn't persist, except all my other insurance is already with PC, so the discounts make sense... Thanks for any help.

Did you tell them you intend to add the new car into your policy? Or you just needed a temporary slip? I thought you can always insure a "unregistered" vehicle (i.e. a brand new car) given you provided the VIN?

[agepag]

Me and friend are going to Chicago in 2 weeks to buy a 04' MDX, now we are going to be driving to buffalo, then flying to Chicago and driving back. Now since he dosn't know which truck he going to buy ( 30 to choose from) my question is can we leave the truck at the boarder for the 72 hours? Then drive back to buffalo to pick it up, Is there a secure lot? Is there someone I can call at the boarder?
Thanks
Age

[gsuperman]

Me and friend are going to Chicago in 2 weeks to buy a 04' MDX, now we are going to be driving to buffalo, then flying to Chicago and driving back. Now since he dosn't know which truck he going to buy ( 30 to choose from) my question is can we leave the truck at the boarder for the 72 hours? Then drive back to buffalo to pick it up, Is there a secure lot? Is there someone I can call at the boarder?
Thanks
Age

I'm pretty positive that you can't park the car at the US Border, they will tow it at the owners expense. And I even remember the lady at US customs telling someone that they can't even recommend a place for you to park the car, as they are not allowed to.

Someone was trying to do the same thing, and they were definitely playing hardball and making sure the guy knew the car can not stay at the U.S. border.

[superdave]

I'm pretty positive that you can't park the car at the US Border, they will tow it at the owners expense. And I even remember the lady at US customs telling someone that they can't even recommend a place for you to park the car, as they are not allowed to.

Someone was trying to do the same thing, and they were definitely playing hardball and making sure the guy knew the car can not stay at the U.S. border.

I'd just park it at the buffalo airport, it's only 25 min from the border and the parking there is secure and pretty cheap.

[superdave]

Me and friend are going to Chicago in 2 weeks to buy a 04' MDX, now we are going to be driving to buffalo, then flying to Chicago and driving back. Now since he dosn't know which truck he going to buy ( 30 to choose from) my question is can we leave the truck at the boarder for the 72 hours? Then drive back to buffalo to pick it up, Is there a secure lot? Is there someone I can call at the boarder?
Thanks
Age

Also it would be easier if you drove to detroit then flew to chicago and drove back, more direct drive that way and you dont have to go around ohio to get back to buffalo. Fly NWA from detroit to chicago for pretty cheap.

[heinrich]

Hmm.. Quebec might be on a different planet, so this may not apply... but, in BC, I got a thing called "Binder for Owner's Interim Certificate of Insurance".. usual kind of coverage, 500 deductible, 5m PLPD, etc.. and it's assigned to my VIN

Hmm, I'll try that language - did you get that Binder from PC in BC, or some other company? (as an aside, I'm in Ontario, not QC)

[Lost Horizon]

We really need to start a new thread.. this one is getting too long.. a lot of history to wade thru.. maybe call it the 2008 Cross Border Vehicle Import thread?? Me being a "n00b", I know my placce, so I'll ask.. :cheesygri

[EL820]

My sister-in-law resides in NY. Does anyone know if she can purchase a vehicle, bring it over the border, and give the vehicle to her mom (my mom-in-law) as a gift? What kind of taxes and or duties will the sister-in-law be charged, if any?

I can get the mom in law to transfer the ownership of the vehicle to my wife after 12 months, tax free. :D

Thanks in advance.

[Lost Horizon]

Hmm, I'll try that language - did you get that Binder from PC in BC, or some other company? (as an aside, I'm in Ontario, not QC)

... from "the Peoples" insurance Company, ICBC...

[heinrich]

Did you tell them you intend to add the new car into your policy? Or you just needed a temporary slip? I thought you can always insure a "unregistered" vehicle (i.e. a brand new car) given you provided the VIN?

I did indeed obtain a full quote to add the car to my policy, and also asked about temporary slips - it didn't seem to make a difference with regard to their "can't add an unregistered vehicle to the policy" policy!

[Lost Horizon]

I did indeed obtain a full quote to add the car to my policy, and also asked about temporary slips - it didn't seem to make a difference with regard to their "can't add an unregistered vehicle to the policy" policy!

ah... the error of your ways is that it is a "separate" and time limited policy... not related to your "other" life, as some would say.. no addum ad existum rule... the clue is also repeated in Tender's reply to you..

[Lost Horizon]

My sister-in-law resides in NY. Does anyone know if she can purchase a vehicle, bring it over the border, and give the vehicle to her mom (my mom-in-law) as a gift? What kind of taxes and or duties will the sister-in-law be charged, if any?

I can get the mom in law to transfer the ownership of the vehicle to my wife after 12 months, tax free. :D

Thanks in advance.

Short Answer.. Nope.. you have to do it stateside, and the vehicle has to be there for 3 days in advance, minimum

[michelb]

My sister-in-law resides in NY. Does anyone know if she can purchase a vehicle, bring it over the border, and give the vehicle to her mom (my mom-in-law) as a gift? What kind of taxes and or duties will the sister-in-law be charged, if any?

I can get the mom in law to transfer the ownership of the vehicle to my wife after 12 months, tax free. :D

Thanks in advance.

That would probably work and I don't even think you'd have to wait the 12 months (I think the law is that one person can only do it once every 12 months) but I don't think there's anything preventing your sister-in-law to give it to her mom right away (mom's 1st time in 12 months) and then mother giving it to your wife right away (your wife's 1st time in 12 months).

However you really won't save that much: if you're sister-in-law buys it, she'll pay NY taxes than when your mom-in-law gets it, she has to import it and will probably still have to pay GST (you get out of the 'retail sales tax' but probably not GST). What's worse is that she'll probably pay GST on the 'red-book' value since she's not actually 'buying' it.

[Duffydog]

Sry if there is a list or link somewhere on this site but I am looking for a list of cars that are exempt from the 6.1 duty coming into Canada.

[DSTU]

Sry if there is a list or link somewhere on this site but I am looking for a list of cars that are exempt from the 6.1 duty coming into Canada.

Hmmm- does the search button not work?

This has been discussed countless times.

[shopper-X]

We really need to start a new thread.. this one is getting too long.. a lot of history to wade thru.. maybe call it the 2008 Cross Border Vehicle Import thread?? Me being a "n00b", I know my placce, so I'll ask.. :cheesygri

try www.carburner.com this site was started by EastSideSubaru (Zach Bridge) for the RFD users.

[Ebola]

That would probably work and I don't even think you'd have to wait the 12 months (I think the law is that one person can only do it once every 12 months) but I don't think there's anything preventing your sister-in-law to give it to her mom right away (mom's 1st time in 12 months) and then mother giving it to your wife right away (your wife's 1st time in 12 months).

However you really won't save that much: if you're sister-in-law buys it, she'll pay NY taxes than when your mom-in-law gets it, she has to import it and will probably still have to pay GST (you get out of the 'retail sales tax' but probably not GST). What's worse is that she'll probably pay GST on the 'red-book' value since she's not actually 'buying' it.

Yep. Gifts have to have a value, so out comes the red book, and that's what you are paying your import taxes on.

[EL820]

That would probably work and I don't even think you'd have to wait the 12 months (I think the law is that one person can only do it once every 12 months) but I don't think there's anything preventing your sister-in-law to give it to her mom right away (mom's 1st time in 12 months) and then mother giving it to your wife right away (your wife's 1st time in 12 months).

However you really won't save that much: if you're sister-in-law buys it, she'll pay NY taxes than when your mom-in-law gets it, she has to import it and will probably still have to pay GST (you get out of the 'retail sales tax' but probably not GST). What's worse is that she'll probably pay GST on the 'red-book' value since she's not actually 'buying' it.

I called MTO, and the lady told me that the same vehicle can only be transferred tax-free once every 12 months. Sibling to sibling transfer is not tax-exempt.

I skimmed through the thread and some recent posts mentioned that Toyota has laid the hammer down and informed their US dealers not to sell to Canadians, so I would have no choice but to get the sister-in-law to purchase the vehicle first.

Oh, my vehicle of interest is the Toyota Rav4 V6 Sport 4WD. :)

[Tender]

I did indeed obtain a full quote to add the car to my policy, and also asked about temporary slips - it didn't seem to make a difference with regard to their "can't add an unregistered vehicle to the policy" policy!

Do you already have an insurance policy with them?

I called them myself since I'd like to know as well. The guy told me that you can use your existing policy as any new vehicle you buy is automatically covered for 14 days, Canada or U.S. Not sure if Karl will be ok with this.

He said the reason for not issuing another temporary slip is that the car has to be in Canada before they formally insure it. They don't insure the cars outside of Canada.

[diigii]

Do you already have an insurance policy with them?

I called them myself since I'd like to know as well. The guy told me that you can use your existing policy as any new vehicle you buy is automatically covered for 14 days, Canada or U.S. Not sure if Karl will be ok with this.

He said the reason for not issuing another temporary slip is that the car has to be in Canada before they formally insure it. They don't insure the cars outside of Canada.

Time to whip out the Ontario Automobile Policy (Jan 1, 2007) and quote Paragraph 2.2.1 to them.

[Longobongo]

Hi guys, excellent thread

Just wondering, I keep hearing how the mfg are making it difficult to find dealers willing to sell to Canadians, is the same applicable for used cars? I've searched and noticed the differences with used car prices as well. So what I am saying is it easier to buy a used car in the states than a new one, or rather, are US dealer not under as much corporate pressure when dealing used cars to Canuckers?

Thanks!

[LoveRFD]

Hi guys, excellent thread

Just wondering, I keep hearing how the mfg are making it difficult to find dealers willing to sell to Canadians, is the same applicable for used cars? I've searched and noticed the differences with used car prices as well. So what I am saying is it easier to buy a used car in the states than a new one, or rather, are US dealer not under as much corporate pressure when dealing used cars to Canuckers?

Thanks!

It is easier to buy used car but you'll need to pay state tax. Manufactures don't care about used cars.

[michelb]

I called MTO, and the lady told me that the same vehicle can only be transferred tax-free once every 12 months. Sibling to sibling transfer is not tax-exempt.

I skimmed through the thread and some recent posts mentioned that Toyota has laid the hammer down and informed their US dealers not to sell to Canadians, so I would have no choice but to get the sister-in-law to purchase the vehicle first.

Oh, my vehicle of interest is the Toyota Rav4 V6 Sport 4WD. :)

Might be right about the tax-free once per vehicle (I just assumed that it was per person) - anyway my point was that there's not really any benefit to be gained from this. You'd probably be better off buying yourself (in your name) from a state that doesn't a tax agreement with NY using your sister-in-laws address (as long as you are providing a US address, the dealership should have no problems selling to you).

[michelb]

Hi guys, excellent thread

Just wondering, I keep hearing how the mfg are making it difficult to find dealers willing to sell to Canadians, is the same applicable for used cars? I've searched and noticed the differences with used car prices as well. So what I am saying is it easier to buy a used car in the states than a new one, or rather, are US dealer not under as much corporate pressure when dealing used cars to Canuckers?

Thanks!

It is easier to buy used car but you'll need to pay state tax. Manufactures don't care about used cars.

Why would you need to pay state tax? Taxes on used is the exact same as taxes on new (actually used is even easier if you are buying privately). There's no restriction on buying used cars in the US although you'll have the same warranty transfer issues as with any new car. If you don't mind used, it's certainly the way to go.

The only problem is that buying a used car is a bit more risky so some buyers might be much more hesitant buying it unseen (or travelling to see a car that might not be what they want).

[cookiemunster]

Why would you need to pay state tax? Taxes on used is the exact same as taxes on new (actually used is even easier if you are buying privately). There's no restriction on buying used cars in the US although you'll have the same warranty transfer issues as with any new car. If you don't mind used, it's certainly the way to go.

The only problem is that buying a used car is a bit more risky so some buyers might be much more hesitant buying it unseen (or travelling to see a car that might not be what they want).

Won't used cars be subject to a safety inspection? That's what worries me.

[michelb]

Won't used cars be subject to a safety inspection? That's what worries me.

Actually that's true (and you'll probably need an emission check too) (to me this is a non issue ($100 or so ...)).

It worries me that it worries you that you need to get a safety inspection (I'm wondering what kind of car and in what condition you plan on driving if it won't pass a safety inspection :) (unless of course, you live in Quebec, which has crazy strict safety inspections which are more of a pain than they are worth (it's one thing to require that the car be safe to operate, but I don't think it really needs to be 'as new as the day it rolled off the factory' which seems to be what Quebec safeties almost require (from my experience anyway))

[Trexim]

I am curious about the common method people used to get to the US dealer. Most say that they drive there, does that imply:

- Rent a car: The drop off (1-way) fee can be stiff, e.g. cheapest is around $250 from Ottawa to Syracuse Airport

- With family/friend: since we need to it in business hours, usually, that's another vacation day used (which probably cost more than $250 at the end)

Thanks,

[Longobongo]

Why would you need to pay state tax? Taxes on used is the exact same as taxes on new (actually used is even easier if you are buying privately). There's no restriction on buying used cars in the US although you'll have the same warranty transfer issues as with any new car. If you don't mind used, it's certainly the way to go.

The only problem is that buying a used car is a bit more risky so some buyers might be much more hesitant buying it unseen (or travelling to see a car that might not be what they want).

Thats what I figured, I was thinking why not just take a Greyhound to NY (I heard you don't have to pay state tax) get the car and drive it back to the border? sure the entire process would take a more than a day but if the savings are substantial, it would be something I'm willing to consider

[diigii]

I am curious about the common method people used to get to the US dealer. Most say that they drive there, does that imply:

- Rent a car: The drop off (1-way) fee can be stiff, e.g. cheapest is around $250 from Ottawa to Syracuse Airport

- With family/friend: since we need to it in business hours, usually, that's another vacation day used (which probably cost more than $250 at the end)

Thanks,

Most of us drove to the dealership. Most were picked up at the airport/bus station by their salesperson, some with free Starbucks coffee too! :cheesygri

In my case, I took a one-way car rental from Buffalo Airport to Maryland. Returned the rental car when I took possession of my car, drove it back a week later after my vacation with relatives.

[afeld]

Hi
Thinking of buying honda Odyssey (probably 2007 used or new). few questions if I could get answers, please.
1. I live in Toronto and are there any Honda dealerships within reasonable distance from Toronto that are willing to sell new cars to Canadians (can be 2007 clearance or 2008 models if it makes a difference for them).
2. Are there any tips or suggestions in this matter?
If there are, PM will be really helpful and appreciated.
Thanks a lot

[cookiemunster]

Actually that's true (and you'll probably need an emission check too) (to me this is a non issue ($100 or so ...)).

It worries me that it worries you that you need to get a safety inspection (I'm wondering what kind of car and in what condition you plan on driving if it won't pass a safety inspection :)

LOL

Actually I was considering a 3 to 5 year old Lexus. I think a Carfax report would probably allay most of my fears (ie getting a flood car or some such thing :confused: )

[Lost Horizon]

Hi
Thinking of buying honda Odyssey (probably 2007 used or new). few questions if I could get answers, please.
1. I live in Toronto and are there any Honda dealerships within reasonable distance from Toronto that are willing to sell new cars to Canadians (can be 2007 clearance or 2008 models if it makes a difference for them).
2. Are there any tips or suggestions in this matter?
If there are, PM will be really helpful and appreciated.
Thanks a lot

I went around that bush (see my previous posts) with Honda for about a month. Honda Canada is unwilling, no.. make that agressively unwilling to bend at this time, fiercely protecting the border by a number of means.

My Suggestion would be to do what I did: Look at the Subaru line up. There is a reason why a good chunk of this thread is Subaru's X-border.

[Tender]

Time to whip out the Ontario Automobile Policy (Jan 1, 2007) and quote Paragraph 2.2.1 to them.

So that means you're automatically covered if you already have an existing insurance policy? That'll save some hussles.

[diigii]

I went around that bush (see my previous posts) with Honda for about a month. Honda Canada is unwilling, no.. make that agressively unwilling to bend at this time, fiercely protecting the border by a number of means.

My Suggestion would be to do what I did: Look at the Subaru line up. There is a reason why a good chunk of this thread is Subaru's X-border.

Yeah, stick it up Honda's ass. A sale to Subaru is a lost to Honda. Let yourself have control over your own money, not Honda. No regrets!

[diigii]

So that means you're automatically covered if you already have an existing insurance policy? That'll save some hussles.

Well, they're saying already that you have 14-day temporary coverage. So they should provide you with a temporary pink slip with the new car's VIN printed on it as proof. You will insure the car with them anyway.

[Lost Horizon]

So that means you're automatically covered if you already have an existing insurance policy? That'll save some hussles.

Just remember, you have to satisfy the Canadian Border Agent with a piece of paper ( with the VIN, I believe) on the import side of the border crossing. IE, make sure you get that out of them in writing on some kind of original document.

[afeld]

I went around that bush (see my previous posts) with Honda for about a month. Honda Canada is unwilling, no.. make that agressively unwilling to bend at this time, fiercely protecting the border by a number of means.

My Suggestion would be to do what I did: Look at the Subaru line up. There is a reason why a good chunk of this thread is Subaru's X-border.

yeah...agree. but, Subaru does not make mini vans and my questions were about Honda Odyssey mini van. So, if anyone could answer my questions on page 436 will be great!!!

[ryandk]

Hi --

I came across a website for an auto broker who claims he can buy any new car in the US for Canadians. His fee starts at $1650 for delivery of the vehicle to your door.

Any make, any model. I'm assuming this would include Hondas and Toyotas.

Is this a reasonable charge? Are there any other brokers in the Vancouver area who charge less for the same service?

Thanks.

[J233]

It is easier to buy used car but you'll need to pay state tax. Manufactures don't care about used cars.

This is incorrect. New or use, if you buying for export there is no state tax on the purchase.

[agepag]

Also it would be easier if you drove to detroit then flew to chicago and drove back, more direct drive that way and you dont have to go around ohio to get back to buffalo. Fly NWA from detroit to chicago for pretty cheap.

That would be eaiser, but since we have to leave the car at the airport for 72hours, Buffalo will be a closer drive when we have to go back and pick up the truck!!!

[michelb]

This is incorrect. New or use, if you buying for export there is no state tax on the purchase.

That's mostly true but I believe some states (I think Illinois and Michigan, possibly others) charge tax on new or used vehicles purchased for export from a dealership (private used sale might be ok although you might still get charged for it if you need a temp permit from those states (I think Florida charges taxes if you want a trip permit).

[moguy]

Hi --

I came across a website for an auto broker who claims he can buy any new car in the US for Canadians. His fee starts at $1650 for delivery of the vehicle to your door.

Any make, any model. I'm assuming this would include Hondas and Toyotas.

Is this a reasonable charge? Are there any other brokers in the Vancouver area who charge less for the same service?

Thanks.

Link please :)

[Lost Horizon]

Hi --

I came across a website for an auto broker who claims he can buy any new car in the US for Canadians. His fee starts at $1650 for delivery of the vehicle to your door.

Any make, any model. I'm assuming this would include Hondas and Toyotas.

Is this a reasonable charge? Are there any other brokers in the Vancouver area who charge less for the same service?

Thanks.


Here's the one I talked to: (but I ended up doing it myself..)

Broker Easy Link (http://www.aacb.com/)

[agepag]

That's mostly true but I believe some states (I think Illinois and Michigan, possibly others) charge tax on new or used vehicles purchased for export from a dealership (private used sale might be ok although you might still get charged for it if you need a temp permit from those states (I think Florida charges taxes if you want a trip permit).

Well in Chicago the dealership told us that since we are not registering the truck in Chicago, we don't pay the tax! We will have to pay GST & PST when we register the truck in Ontario

[bobsyouruncle]

In fact the replacement-as-new policy will get you the a new car exactly like you had. If this costs more than you actually paid for the car, then it will still happen. This policy is an extra option here in BC: the standard policy is as you state. The actual cost of this optional insurance depends on the value of the car, which is why our ICBC agent wrote in the actual Canadian value of the car we purchased. (If ICBC wont go down to the US and get the equivalent car for us, I would have no objection!).

I am certain that is how this works in BC as about 12 years ago some 17 year old kids skidded, hit us head on, and wrote off my VW Corrado. (Darn near wrote us off too - our gratitude to well-engineered crumple zones). The car was 1 month short of two years old (when the policy would have expired) . Within a week of the crash ICBC presented me with a cheque for the full purchase price of the Corrado (which was no longer being marketed), way more than the book value of the 2-year old car. They also said they would have got me brand new Corrado to the spec I had.

This optional policy is not cheap, but to my mind its a great deal.

You are correct that this is how replacement insurance in BC works. I emailed ICBC and specifically asked what would happen if my car was written-off. From ICBC:

Mr. Bobsyouruncle

Thank you for your e-mail.

ICBC Replacement Cost Coverage will provide you with a brand new vehicle of the same make and model, if it is available in Canada, in the event of a total loss up to three model years old for your vehicle, regardless of whether it was bought in the USA. This will protect you from losing money due to depreciation.

In the event that a similiar make and model is not available in Canada, you would be paid the lesser of:
the original net purchase price you actually paid,
the manufacturer's suggested retail price at the date of the purchase, or
a new vehicle of your choice (at ICBC's cost) within 30 days of your vehicle being a total loss, provided that the cost of a different vehicle does not exceed the cost of a vehicle of a similar make and model
You can get more information on ICBC Replacment Cost Coverage from the Autoplan Optional Policy Booklet. Copies are available from any Autoplan broker or you can download it in Portable Document Format (PDF) from this link: http://www.icbc.com/library/pdf/autoplan_optional_policy_booklet_apg33.pdf

Once again, thank you for taking the time to contact us.

XXXX
Customer Contact
ICBC

Now assuming they still make Camry's in three years I am covered if the car get's written off.

[googz]

So I'm trying to get PC Insurance to issue the paperwork Karl at Van Bortel requires, confirming that the Subaru I intend to pick up will be covered. The PC call center guys all acknowledge that I'm covered from 14 days from purchase, as discussed here, but I can't find anyone there willing to issue a statement on letterhead that the *particular* car with given vin will be covered as of a certain date - they just refuse to deal with an "unregistered" car on that basis.

One fellow at the call center suggested I get a temporary trip permit from the dmv in ontario, but when I called about that they laughed me off the phone...

I noticed one other posting from 2006 in this thread that someone successfully got PC to insure an "unplated" car - any suggestions on navigating the bureaucracy to make this happen? Has anyone got the required letter from PC Insurance? If so, please advise how you made it happen... I have wasted a LOT of time... I wouldn't persist, except all my other insurance is already with PC, so the discounts make sense... Thanks for any help.

I'm with PC Insurance and just got off the phone with them. I simply said that I wanted to add a vehicle, gave him the VIN, told when I wanted the coverage to start on that vehicle, confirmed which coverages I want and it's done. Papers will be here in 5-7 days and he's emailing me a copy as well.

I'm guessing that people who mention the whole going to the U.S. to pick it up part of the story are confusing the reps (which isn't difficult by the way, they're not Insurance experts, they're call centre staff and mainly located in India) and causing the problem. Just say you want to add a vehicle...as long as you have the VIN of the vehicle you should be fine.

[reddy54]

Here are the facts
I am having a friend who lives in the Maine buy a Lexus for me in another state (Pensylvania to avoid state taxes), get a temporary in-transit permit from the dealer there and then sign the MCO and prepare a bill of sale to me.

Question: Will the in transit plate issued to her still be valid in USA once she invoices me and I drive away?
Even if good in USA will that in-transit plate which was issued to her be valid in CDA?

My gut feeling tells me the answer at least to the CDA issue is no meaning that I would have to park the car at the border and go to the nearest provincial license office.

Since technically she will be the exporter for uSA purposes then probably the sale to me should become effective once the car leaves the USA.(i.e. FOB Cda border) and therefore the in-transit plate should work until then.

Anyone thought about this issue??

[shopper-X]

This is a bit off-topic and on-topic at the same time...
Do you need a passport to enter the US? Or will other documents still work.
example: Driver's License?

[slapnuts]

Sorry to interrupt this facinating discussion, though I started at page 430. What page would be the best to start at to get all of the correct info? page #1 or more recent?

Thanks in advance

Slapnuts

[PHANTOMPHOENIX]

Sorry to interrupt this facinating discussion, though I started at page 430. What page would be the best to start at to get all of the correct info? page #1 or more recent?

Thanks in advance

Slapnuts

www.carburner.com should cover everything.

If there is anything there not covered or specific you want to know...just come back here and post.

[Lost Horizon]

We really need to start a new thread.. this one is getting too long.. a lot of history to wade thru.. maybe call it the 2008 Cross Border Vehicle Import thread?? Me being a "n00b", I know my placce, so I'll ask.. :cheesygri

Sorry to interrupt this facinating discussion, though I started at page 430. What page would be the best to start at to get all of the correct info? page #1 or more recent?

Thanks in advance

Slapnuts

I'm with you.. as a newcomer, we need to park this jewel and continue with the 2008 version of Rocky II... do we have a moderator who might agree to lock this down and start Phase II?

[shopper-X]

I'm with you.. as a newcomer, we need to park this jewel and continue with the 2008 version of Rocky II... do we have a moderator who might agree to lock this down and start Phase II?

Why do you need a fresh thread?
There is a "Search This Thread" option at the top the screen for a reason.
The only thing a new thread would do is repeat all the questions over again and then everyone will refer people to the old thread.

As Diigii has in his signature and PHANTOMPHOENIX and myself posted, visit www.carburner.com first then ask here. The process and other tips are all there.

[Super strokey]

Hey all, im totally new to this thread and am in the market for a new SUV. Im thinking either the Edge or teh Santa Fe. I would perfer to keep my money in canada and get oen of them here but the price is so different. Im just wondering if anyone knows if the price drop might be coming soon here in canada or if this is a neaw year kinda idea.

[J233]

Hi --

I came across a website for an auto broker who claims he can buy any new car in the US for Canadians. His fee starts at $1650 for delivery of the vehicle to your door.

Any make, any model. I'm assuming this would include Hondas and Toyotas.

Is this a reasonable charge? Are there any other brokers in the Vancouver area who charge less for the same service?

Thanks.

IMO, it is on a US$ 45K+ vehicle, given that it includes all paper work related to importation and registration in Canada so you are shielded from any noise and unpleasant surprises related to buying and bringing a vehicle over. I assume shipping is extra.

[voyager6868]

This is a bit off-topic and on-topic at the same time...
Do you need a passport to enter the US? Or will other documents still work.
example: Driver's License?

To enter by land, you only need a birth certificate (or citizenship card) plus driver's license (or other government-issued photo id). This may change sometime next year, but definitely for the rest of 2007 that's all you need.

If crossing the border by plane you need a passport.

[Ridgeback]

Well, they're saying already that you have 14-day temporary coverage. So they should provide you with a temporary pink slip with the new car's VIN printed on it as proof. You will insure the car with them anyway.

This is the problem that myself and others are having. They are all saying they will insure you for the 14-day period. However, we are having trouble getting them to issue any kind of written statement saying such, until the car is completely registered in Ontario. Sounds ridiculous, but seems to be common.

Perhaps the previous reader's suggestion might work. Don't even bother telling them about the whole US thing. Give them the VIN as you would a Canadian car, and they send the slips as they would any other car. I would just be concerned that something might go wrong by not being outright clear with the insurance company. We all know they will find any excuse they can to avoid paying out if there ever was a problem.

[jadeboy]

That is my opinion. I have also contacted Toyota US. They told me they are currently waiting for certification results from a test facility in Canada, and that is why the list is not updated yet. But the lady from RIV told me that is actually Toyota Japan that has to provide the list. So, as you see, there is lots of conflicting information regarding this list.

Every time I call RIV I get a different answer. A few weeks ago, they were saying the 2008 Toyota models will be on the list in a couple of weeks. Last week they said the last estimate is between 3 and 4 weeks. And today they told me to call back in January !!!


Ok talked to riv.ca again today.. now a lady have told me hopefully sometimes in November. The process is delayed because Toyota/Lexus has not given them the paperwork and it's not riv.ca that is causing the delay. Best thing to do is call Canada Transport, which I have and they didn't answer their phone.. had to leave a voice mail.. and they have not phone me back yet.

[thfwong]

I am planning to use a relative's US address to purchase a vehicle so when the dealer assign me the MSO it will have my name and the US address on it. My questions are,
(1) Does either the US Customs or Canada Custom care that the MSO has a US address and not a Canadian address?
(2) Will the Customs people ask me to produce proof of residency at the US address?
I don't have any US ID. It is my Aunt's address and she said it is OK for me to use her address for the car transaction.

I would love to hear feedback from anyone from anyone who brought a car using a US address from a friend or relative?

Thanks.

[teep]

This is a bit off-topic and on-topic at the same time...
Do you need a passport to enter the US? Or will other documents still work.
example: Driver's License?

Yes, till 2008, by road (not air), you can still get in with a DL, but you will need your birth certificate as well. If you dont have that, be prepared to have to go into the office for some long questioning. (If you are black or look like an arab, just dont bother!)

[teep]

Now only if subaru sold a hybrid! I hate having to wait for honda/toyota's 2008s to get approved (read: submit their material) to discuss things with an american dealer.

They are coming. Subaru showed a concept car (Subaru B5-TPH) at the 2005 Tokyo motor show, but the developmen costs turned out too high, so they are reported to be leasing someone else's technology and cars wont arrive till 2009. Zach might know more?

[Lost Horizon]

Why do you need a fresh thread?
There is a "Search This Thread" option at the top the screen for a reason.
The only thing a new thread would do is repeat all the questions over again and then everyone will refer people to the old thread.

As Diigii has in his signature and PHANTOMPHOENIX and myself posted, visit www.carburner.com first then ask here. The process and other tips are all there.

Just to break it down into current and history... make a link ref to the old thread, and start from there.. like book volumes.. next year it would be 2009... that way, you can "thread" your way thru current events without trying to guess where to start... 250? 300? 400? etc.. that's all.. simple library dewy decimal strategy, that's all..

[vim]

My story:
Paid for the car in full
Got certificate of title, submitted to customs, got confirmation OK.
Changed insurance companies and got insurance for a new car.
Today dealer told me (Toyota) they will not sell car to me and will send me money back - as Toyota US told them they might loose franchise. I already had plane tickets.

Now I am looking for a lawyer to get all my related expenses out of dealership.

[Lost Horizon]

My story:
Paid for the car in full
Got certificate of title, submitted to customs, got confirmation OK.
Changed insurance companies and got insurance for a new car.
Today dealer told me (Toyota) they will not sell car to me and will send me money back - as Toyota US told them they might loose franchise. I already had plane tickets.

Now I am looking for a lawyer to get all my related expenses out of dealership.


That's just plain wrong..

[schnee]

Does anyone have experience importing a BMW and going through the dealership paying $500 for the recall letter? I'm wondering if I can just get one for free from a US dealer.
(almost) All Input is Good

[Yukon99]

First I want to thank everyone for ALL the information. I am seriously considering taking the plunge to buy a 2008 CRV. This is what I understand, please correct me if I am wrong. 1) Honda warranty is not honoured in Canada but if I bring it back to a US dealership, warranty work is covered. 2) The only modification that I see is the Daytime running lights.

I assume if I find a reputable dealer who will work with me that the MSRP should be negotiable (anyone know roughly how much?)

I go to New York State and Pennsylvania and Virginia quite often so does anyone recommend one state over the other?

thanks again!

[Xinc]

man, we should change the thread title to Subaru from US, is anyone getting cars other than Subarus?

Hehehe because Subaru is the only manufacture who'll sell to Canadians, I was hoping to import a Camry Hybrid (given the ever rising gas prices) for the longest time but no Toyota dealership will sell to Canadians and now I probably have to settle for a Subaru as welll...

This brings up another question, I have friends living down the states and a few of them have offered to buy the 08 Camry Hybird themselves then drive to Canada and "sell" me the car (since they were shocked at the huge differences and are very sympathetic to Canadians)... anyone knows if this will work? I know I'll probably end up paying more for taxes but it should be a pretty good saving against Canadian prices.

I know this sounds like we are working our best to "cheat" the system, but this isn't about us as consumers cheating the system, rather we are the ones being taken advantages of and this makes me very angry...

srry for the ranting.

[Rehan]

This is what I understand, please correct me if I am wrong. 1) Honda warranty is not honoured in Canada but if I bring it back to a US dealership, warranty work is covered. The Honda website says:
"If a vehicle that was originally sold new in the United States is brought into Canada, its warranty only applies to the owner that purchased the vehicle while living in the U.S. and who imports the vehicle into Canada for their own personal or family use."

My interpretation of the wording is that the warranty would become void in both countries if it is imported to Canada by a visitor to the US.

[smpmush]

The way things are changing on a daily basis (ie: threats of loss of fanchise/dealerships, etc) it would seem manufacturers are aware of something the genreral public is not.. What's going to happen next ?? Being carded for ID at Walmart in the US? With all the different maufacturers outright telling dealers in the US that they are not allowed to sell to Canuks, it would seem that they have no fear of reprisals from governments or the courts. It just seems a bit odd that with the dollar at par this issue has become mainstream news yet manufacturers seem to be unmoved by threats of lawsuits etc... They are being allowed to spew disinformation and threaten dealers openly, yet no government agency has stepped forward to protect consumers.. Class action lawsuits in Canada have never amounted to any significant amount in Canada .. It would seem profits made will more than pay for any minor slap they MIGHT recieve if found guilty.. With this "bring it on attitude" manufacturers seem to have in regards to this subject it would seem they already know the outcome of any actions brought againt them and are not afraid of the concequencess.. A sad state of afairs indeed!!!

[longdong]

First I want to thank everyone for ALL the information. I am seriously considering taking the plunge to buy a 2008 CRV. This is what I understand, please correct me if I am wrong. 1) Honda warranty is not honoured in Canada but if I bring it back to a US dealership, warranty work is covered. 2) The only modification that I see is the Daytime running lights.

I assume if I find a reputable dealer who will work with me that the MSRP should be negotiable (anyone know roughly how much?)

I go to New York State and Pennsylvania and Virginia quite often so does anyone recommend one state over the other?

thanks again!

I had a painful experience with Honda. So don't bother to buy any honda. They agreed to sell (wire money to them) and last minute ... sorry sir no sell to canadian. They just sent the money back (just simple check, not even a certified check) and now my bank will hold back my money for 45 days (because it's not a wire transfer and it's not a cetified check) ... f*ck .... so I couldn't do anything now. Even if I want to buy something.
Try to call Honda America to complain .. they took notes of everything but never return any call to me ... forget it man

[rgc97]

Having a relative's US address to use made my dealer comfortable. He asked that I not transfer my address for 6-7 months. I had no problems at US Customs or Canadian Customs. US Customs just stamps the MSO and records that the vehicle has been exported. Cdn customs just wants the GST & RIV fee. My extended warranty and welcome letters were sent to my relative's address.

It's a simple process.


I am planning to use a relative's US address to purchase a vehicle so when the dealer assign me the MSO it will have my name and the US address on it. My questions are,
(1) Does either the US Customs or Canada Custom care that the MSO has a US address and not a Canadian address?
(2) Will the Customs people ask me to produce proof of residency at the US address?
I don't have any US ID. It is my Aunt's address and she said it is OK for me to use her address for the car transaction.

I would love to hear feedback from anyone from anyone who brought a car using a US address from a friend or relative?

Thanks.

[EL820]

Might be right about the tax-free once per vehicle (I just assumed that it was per person) - anyway my point was that there's not really any benefit to be gained from this. You'd probably be better off buying yourself (in your name) from a state that doesn't a tax agreement with NY using your sister-in-laws address (as long as you are providing a US address, the dealership should have no problems selling to you).

If I use my relative's US address to purchase the vehicle under my name, would I encounter any problems at the border/custom office? The address on the Sales Agreement will not be consistent with my home address, or do they care?

[Kvach]

A dealer is willing to sell me a car but asks for a US friend's address. He claims all the papers including the title will be under my name and my Canadian address, except for the forms he sends to the manufacturer. I wonder what forms he might be referring to and wheather this will cause me any problems in the future (such as warranty, etc.).

[mushroomcheese]

If I'm purchasing a car off eBay (seller or a dealer), will the process be the same or different?

[longdong]

A dealer is willing to sell me a car but asks for a US friend's address. He claims all the papers including the title will be under my name and my Canadian address, except for the forms he sends to the manufacturer. I wonder what forms he might be referring to and wheather this will cause me any problems in the future (such as warranty, etc.).

Can you PM me dealer's name ?

[Kocur]

First I want to thank everyone for ALL the information. I am seriously considering taking the plunge to buy a 2008 CRV. This is what I understand, please correct me if I am wrong. 1) Honda warranty is not honoured in Canada but if I bring it back to a US dealership, warranty work is covered. 2) The only modification that I see is the Daytime running lights.

I assume if I find a reputable dealer who will work with me that the MSRP should be negotiable (anyone know roughly how much?)

I go to New York State and Pennsylvania and Virginia quite often so does anyone recommend one state over the other?

thanks again!

MSRP is negotiable. I emailed every HONDA dealership in 9 states (eastern us). Best deals were offered from Maryland. I was looking for a CR-V as well.
No one would sell to me unless I would register the vehicle in the states. Please let me know (PM) if you find someone willing to sell you a new HONDA. Thanks in advance, Kocur

[MMMM]

F1) Honda warranty is not honoured in Canada but if I bring it back to a US dealership, warranty work is covered.

Only if the vehicle is registered in the states. Otherwise you loose the warrenty.

2) The only modification that I see is the Daytime running lights.

This was the only mod I needed on my Honda. Have the dealer do this if possible.

I assume if I find a reputable dealer who will work with me that the MSRP should be negotiable (anyone know roughly how much?)

Invoice on Edmonds.com is (LX 4dr SUV AWD 2.4L 4cyl 5A) $20370.


It,s getting harder to buy a Honda, good luck!

[thfwong]

Having a relative's US address to use made my dealer comfortable. He asked that I not transfer my address for 6-7 months. I had no problems at US Customs or Canadian Customs. US Customs just stamps the MSO and records that the vehicle has been exported. Cdn customs just wants the GST & RIV fee. My extended warranty and welcome letters were sent to my relative's address.

It's a simple process.

Thanks for the reply.
Just to reiterate,
(1) Your dealer assigned the MSO to your name and your relative's US address?
(2) The US Customs people do not ask for ID matching the US address on the MSO? (Do they ask for ID at all or they just want to stamp the MSO and send you along?)
(3) The address on the MSO does not have to match the Canada address of the owner? (for example as reported on the vehicle export worksheet required at some crossings.)

Thanks a million.

[crasher]

My story:
Paid for the car in full
Got certificate of title, submitted to customs, got confirmation OK.
Changed insurance companies and got insurance for a new car.
Today dealer told me (Toyota) they will not sell car to me and will send me money back - as Toyota US told them they might loose franchise. I already had plane tickets.

Now I am looking for a lawyer to get all my related expenses out of dealership.

If you have the title, report as stolen:D

[scope11]

Can anyone confirm that by using PC Financial (I'm in Ontario), they will insure your vehical just like that when you provide the VIN? Someone mentioned a few pages back that you can get emailed confirmation but pink slips take 5-7 days. Is the email sufficient? I don't want to have to wait 5-7 days after I purchase the car to import it.

[mydssbin]

I am going to pick up a pre-ownd BMW X5 this Saturday. I know from this thread that I have to get a recall clearance letter from a Canadian dealer and it will cost $500. This has been confirmed by my US dealer, and BMW USA will not issue the letter to a canadian purchase. No surprise here.
However, my local dealer issits that they will not issue this letter until I bring the vehicle here and they can perform some inspection. Another dealer I called even wants to do an out of province inspection and install DRL, and charge $$$.
My questions are:
Do I have to get the recall clerance letter before crossing board?

The US dealer told me I will have an actual title, and I don't need a certificate of Origin or MSO (Manufacture Statement of origin?). It this correct? What is the difference between title and COO or MSO?

Thanks.

i am thinking about importing used BMW X5. I just have some question:
- did you buy it from dealer or private?
- what year?
- 3.0L, 4.0L, 4.4L....?
- millage?
- how much did you end up saving?

Thanks

[VladK]

For those that were interested in Mercedes. I got a quote from the dealer for modifications. $3600 for E350 4 Matic.

Getting car this Friday, will see if the quote is correct next week when i do them.

[Tender]

For those that were interested in Mercedes. I got a quote from the dealer for modifications. $3600 for E350 4 Matic.

Getting car this Friday, will see if the quote is correct next week when i do them.

$3600?

[Tender]

I'm with PC Insurance and just got off the phone with them. I simply said that I wanted to add a vehicle, gave him the VIN, told when I wanted the coverage to start on that vehicle, confirmed which coverages I want and it's done. Papers will be here in 5-7 days and he's emailing me a copy as well.

I'm guessing that people who mention the whole going to the U.S. to pick it up part of the story are confusing the reps (which isn't difficult by the way, they're not Insurance experts, they're call centre staff and mainly located in India) and causing the problem. Just say you want to add a vehicle...as long as you have the VIN of the vehicle you should be fine.

Can anyone confirm that by using PC Financial (I'm in Ontario), they will insure your vehical just like that when you provide the VIN? Someone mentioned a few pages back that you can get emailed confirmation but pink slips take 5-7 days. Is the email sufficient? I don't want to have to wait 5-7 days after I purchase the car to import it.

I'm hoping this works: just provide the VIN without mentioning the purchase is from US.

They usually e-mail you a PDF file for you to print out, which should be good enough.

[elviswhite]

I found out from a broker who's been importing Land and Range Rovers that Land Rover Canada honours both warranty and complimentary service program.

[VladK]

$3600?

Yes. Modifications cost.

[perfchris]

Anyone out there inquire about cost of modifications to a US Audi TT 2008 to bring across the border ?

Thanks

[eastsidesubaru]

They are coming. Subaru showed a concept car (Subaru B5-TPH) at the 2005 Tokyo motor show, but the developmen costs turned out too high, so they are reported to be leasing someone else's technology and cars wont arrive till 2009. Zach might know more?
Diesels in Europe in 2008
Diesels in US in 2009 (My estimate)
Hybrids = 2010-2011???? (my estimate) :cheesygri

http://www.egmcartech.com/2007/10/15/subaru-will-offer-diesels-before-hybrids/#

Toyota owns a stake in Subaru, so it is toyota that will provide the hybrid technology more likely than not.

I found out from a broker who's been importing Land and Range Rovers that Land Rover Canada honours both warranty and complimentary service program.

Dear god.. I hope so... Those engines blow up if you so much as blink at them.

[scope11]

I'm hoping this works: just provide the VIN without mentioning the purchase is from US.

They usually e-mail you a PDF file for you to print out, which should be good enough.

Tender - when are you making your purchase and attempting the insurance? Keep me posted if you don't mind. Thanks.

[J233]

I'm hoping this works: just provide the VIN without mentioning the purchase is from US.

They usually e-mail you a PDF file for you to print out, which should be good enough.

If it was only so easy....they key in a VIN # and if it is not in the system (most likely for brand new US vehicles) they get en error. Then, they will ask you if your new purchase is from the US. What do you you tell them then ?

Some insurance companies are flexible some are not. It is a pain and sometimes the only option is to ship the vehicle which of course adds to the cost

[J233]

Has anyone successfully imported a:

a) 2008 Toyota mininvan or SUV or
b) 2008 GM/Saturn minivan or SUV

[scope11]

If it was only so easy....they key in a VIN # and if it is not in the system (most likely for brand new US vehicles) they get en error. Then, they will ask you if your new purchase is from the US. What do you you tell them then ?

Some insurance companies are flexible some are not. It is a pain and sometimes the only option is to ship the vehicle which of course adds to the cost

Can anyone provide insight on some Insurance companies that they have had luck with? I'm thinking PC won't be as flexible as I need.

[Bullseye]

Called my insurer (RBC) yesterday, without even hesitating, rep said no problem to buying in the US, just provide the VIN and they will send the slips.

Surprisingly, my new rate will only be $20 more per year! Going from an 02 RAV4 to an 08 Outback. Probably because the RAV has no ABS, no side/curtain airbags, and a poor side impact rating (which are the reasons why I'm buying something else!).

[Monsieurmaggot]

Called my insurer (RBC) yesterday, without even hesitating, rep said no problem to buying in the US, just provide the VIN and they will send the slips.

Surprisingly, my new rate will only be $20 more per year! Going from an 02 RAV4 to an 08 Outback. Probably because the RAV has no ABS, no side/curtain airbags, and a poor side impact rating (which are the reasons why I'm buying something else!).

...and lower incidence of rollovers and higher IIHS crash rating.

[reddy54]

Hehehe because Subaru is the only manufacture who'll sell to Canadians, I was hoping to import a Camry Hybrid (given the ever rising gas prices) for the longest time but no Toyota dealership will sell to Canadians and now I probably have to settle for a Subaru as welll...

This brings up another question, I have friends living down the states and a few of them have offered to buy the 08 Camry Hybird themselves then drive to Canada and "sell" me the car (since they were shocked at the huge differences and are very sympathetic to Canadians)... anyone knows if this will work? I know I'll probably end up paying more for taxes but it should be a pretty good saving against Canadian prices.

I know this sounds like we are working our best to "cheat" the system, but this isn't about us as consumers cheating the system, rather we are the ones being taken advantages of and this makes me very angry...

srry for the ranting.

It will work. You can even save the state taxes by having friend buy car out of state and get an in-transit plate. Many states have reciprocal collection arrangements so you may have to go about 500 miles out but still worth it.

[reddy54]

I am planning to use a relative's US address to purchase a vehicle so when the dealer assign me the MSO it will have my name and the US address on it. My questions are,
(1) Does either the US Customs or Canada Custom care that the MSO has a US address and not a Canadian address?
(2) Will the Customs people ask me to produce proof of residency at the US address?
I don't have any US ID. It is my Aunt's address and she said it is OK for me to use her address for the car transaction.

I would love to hear feedback from anyone from anyone who brought a car using a US address from a friend or relative?

Thanks.

Your problem will not be at customs but at the dealer
1) They may ask for proof of residence such as drivers license or utility bill. To get around this consider getting a USA cell phone plan (cancellable) and use your aunt's address
2) You need to show proof of insurance at dealer so you can not show them CDN insurance company otherwise they will get wise. You will have to get USA insurance (cancellable)

[elmst200]

from Toronto Star
http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/267998

Dealer cites ban on sales to Canada

Ski-Doo maker BRP criticized for halting cross-border business

Oct 18, 2007 04:30 AM
GRAND FORKS, N.D.–A snowmobile dealer in North Dakota says he has been ordered by Quebec-based Bombardier Recreational Products Inc. to stop selling snow machines, ATVs and watercraft to Canadians who are looking to take advantage of the rising value of the loonie.
Ron Thompson, owner of Gateway Sports in Grand Forks, N.D. says he was told by Bombardier to increase a surcharge for Canadian buyers and ultimately to stop selling to Canucks at all. Bombardier Recreational makes the popular Ski-Doo and Sea-Doo vehicles.
"Canadians want to buy a Canadian product but I'm not allowed to sell it to them," said Thompson, who turned away 45 Canadian customers in the past two weeks.
Thompson said Canadians can save several thousands of dollars on the purchase of a snow machine in the United States.
Thompson said Bombardier's standard policy had been for its dealers to impose a 7.5 per cent surcharge on all sales to Canadians.
Two weeks ago, Bombardier expanded that to 7.5 per cent or $1,250 – whichever was higher. Last week, the company raised the rate again to $3,000. And earlier this week, Thompson said, a Bombardier representative told him not to sell to Canadians at all.
"They said it's to protect the Canadian dealers, but when the Canadian dollar (was at 70 cents) and Americans were going north to make their purchases, nobody was protecting my interests."
Thompson also said Bombardier will void the warranty on any craft purchased by a Canadian in the U.S. and has threatened to cancel agreements with dealers who sell to Canadians.
Pierre Pichette, Bombardier's vice-president of communications and public affairs, said the company has always assigned geographic boundaries to its dealerships and financial penalties to enforce them.
The policy is based on market analysis and ensures that dealers not only sell but also can service Bombardier products.
The national head of the Consumers Association of Canada says the organization's legal team will be examining the Bombardier policy.
"The actions of Bombardier are disgraceful," said Bruce Cran. ``This is a Canadian firm that has received billions and billions of dollars in the form of loans, loan guarantees and grants from Canadian taxpayers."
Cran said Bombardier's move is morally wrong, but added he doesn't know if the Quebec manufacturer is breaking any laws.
A senior official with the federal Competition Bureau said Canadian law recognizes the right of manufacturers to set up and enforce distribution agreements.
John Pecman, the Competition Bureau's assistant deputy commissioner for criminal matters, said the Competition Act recognizes the free enterprise system, adding that Bombardier's practices would have to be examined in context to provisions of the legislation to determine if an investigation is warranted.
Cran said Canadians should protest the Bombardier policy by boycotting the Quebec manufacturer and contact their MPs to demand action be taken.

[reddy54]

Here are the facts
I am having a friend who lives in the Maine buy a Lexus for me in another state (Pensylvania to avoid state taxes), get a temporary in-transit permit from the dealer there and then sign the MCO and prepare a bill of sale to me.

Question: Will the in transit plate issued to her still be valid in USA once she invoices me and I drive away?
Even if good in USA will that in-transit plate which was issued to her be valid in CDA?

My gut feeling tells me the answer at least to the CDA issue is no meaning that I would have to park the car at the border and go to the nearest provincial license office.

Since technically she will be the exporter for uSA purposes then probably the sale to me should become effective once the car leaves the USA.(i.e. FOB Cda border) and therefore the in-transit plate should work until then.

Anyone thought about this issue??

[BigCheap]

The letter must come from the OEM's head office and be written on official company letterhead, duly signed with the name and position of the official at the OEM clearly visible. If the manufacturer's logo is not on the letter it will not be accepted.

I have no idea why you are quoting only part of the text. The worst part at that! It goes on to say:
" In some cases, we will also accept a printout from an authorized American dealer. If you obtain a printout from an American dealer, you must ensure that they are an authorized dealer and not a re-seller. You can confirm this by calling the head office of the manufacturer and providing them with the location of the dealership in question"

I had the Acura dealer write a letter on their letterhead stating there were no outstanding recall on the vehicle and they quoted the VIN. That was enough for CTC, RIV and MTO. Don't pay for this document. And don't pay attention to misinformation.

[G-StaR]

ok guys heres the update on the situation: I went back to the MTO and argued with them that my car did not need a safety but they tried to pull everything they had off their dusty shelves and made me look at it, but no where did it state that a car that had never been regestered had to be safety. The supervisor at the office kept arguing with me that my car had been regestered in NY where i had bought it but that was not the case. She told me that she'd been making people get safety's for the past 20 years.. I got her on the phone with Karl @ Van Bortel and she totally goes off topic with him and tells him i need a safety because its under ontario law..failing to ask if the car was regestered in NY. Long story short i demanded answers from someone above her and within an hour I get a call back from their MTO office saying my car does not need a safety.

Things to note if they ever do ask you for a safety on your new imported vehicle:

*Let them know that you Certificate of Origin (new vehicles) and that it is NOT a Certificate of Title (used cars in US) and as Monsieurmaggot said.. get them to either call the 1-800 number or get them to contact their head office, which is what i did.

with that said, my subaru legacy gt is now offically imported and plated :razz:


There is no emission or inspection required for new vehicles in Ontario. Have the knucklehead at the MTO call their "800 support number". They will set them straight.

Make sure you have documentation to support that it is a new car.

Some lazy MTOers will even tell you that "there's a couple of hundred kilometers on the car" so it can't be new. Don't fall for that.

Take a stand and they'll back off.

Sometimes I think those folks get a percentage. Read my post earlier in the thread about my experience with a lazy MTO person. They did everything they could NOT to process me.

[gsuperman]

Grats on the car G-star! Can't believe all the troubles you went through at the MTO. I just picked up my car from Karl on Monday, went to MTO on Tuesday without any issues. Guess it depends on the knowledge level of the staff at each location.

Don't you just love that new car smell too :cheesygri

[diigii]

ok guys heres the update on the situation: I went back to the MTO and argued with them that my car did not need a safety but they tried to pull everything they had off their dusty shelves and made me look at it, but no where did it state that a car that had never been regestered had to be safety. The supervisor at the office kept arguing with me that my car had been regestered in NY where i had bought it but that was not the case. She told me that she'd been making people get safety's for the past 20 years.. I got her on the phone with Karl @ Van Bortel and she totally goes off topic with him and tells him i need a safety because its under ontario law..failing to ask if the car was regestered in NY. Long story short i demanded answers from someone above her and within an hour I get a call back from their MTO office saying my car does not need a safety.

Things to note if they ever do ask you for a safety on your new imported vehicle:

*Let them know that you Certificate of Origin (new vehicles) and that it is NOT a Certificate of Title (used cars in US) and as Monsieurmaggot said.. get them to either call the 1-800 number or get them to contact their head office, which is what i did.

with that said, my subaru legacy gt is now offically imported and plated :razz:

CONGRATS!!!! Enjoy your new car. Take it easy on that new car smell. You might get high on it! :cheesygri

[scrolllock]

Here are the facts
I am having a friend who lives in the Maine buy a Lexus for me in another state (Pensylvania to avoid state taxes), get a temporary in-transit permit from the dealer there and then sign the MCO and prepare a bill of sale to me.

Question: Will the in transit plate issued to her still be valid in USA once she invoices me and I drive away?
Even if good in USA will that in-transit plate which was issued to her be valid in CDA?

My gut feeling tells me the answer at least to the CDA issue is no meaning that I would have to park the car at the border and go to the nearest provincial license office.

Since technically she will be the exporter for uSA purposes then probably the sale to me should become effective once the car leaves the USA.(i.e. FOB Cda border) and therefore the in-transit plate should work until then.

Anyone thought about this issue??


I am waiting for Honda US to submit their 2008 passenger vehicles to Transport Canada. Then Transport Canada can update the list that the RIV uses to approve Form2. I understand that many...many people have purchased 2008s and have been allowed into the Country based on the temporary - intransit permit.

Last week someone on this site indicated the file would be updated this week.


The RIV now tells me that my file will be on hold until Honda US does its thing and that I should not be driving the car even though I have a valid in-transit plate. They still insisted that I keep the car off the road until the file is updated!

What have the rest of you folks been told??? My dealer wants to issue me another in-transit to get around the problem. He has also indicated that Honda US contacted them last Thursday October 11 and will not allow them to sell to Canadians any more. Needless to say this is upsetting to everyone involved. It appears that they had been selling 10- 15 cars a week to Canadians.

[overboost]

I also did the same with my insurer (Johnson Insurance) today. I just said that I will be purchasing a new car and need coverage starting on October XX, 2007. I provided the agent the VIN number and she was able to pull up the make and model of the car. I'll be getting my new pink insurance slips in the mail next week!


Called my insurer (RBC) yesterday, without even hesitating, rep said no problem to buying in the US, just provide the VIN and they will send the slips.

Surprisingly, my new rate will only be $20 more per year! Going from an 02 RAV4 to an 08 Outback. Probably because the RAV has no ABS, no side/curtain airbags, and a poor side impact rating (which are the reasons why I'm buying something else!).

[Stoe99]

If I were someone in the States right now, I would be devising a legal trick to sell cars across the border and take a fee for doing so, maybe 7% or something, you could make a real killing doing that.

[bobsyouruncle]

My story:
Paid for the car in full
Got certificate of title, submitted to customs, got confirmation OK.
Changed insurance companies and got insurance for a new car.
Today dealer told me (Toyota) they will not sell car to me and will send me money back - as Toyota US told them they might loose franchise. I already had plane tickets.

Now I am looking for a lawyer to get all my related expenses out of dealership.

If you have the certificate of title in your name they have already sold you the car. You legally own the car.

[jadeboy]

OK.. after talking to a gentlement at Transport Canada (very nice and friendly). I think I got a better understanding of what is going on. According to Transport Canada.. for a car to be importable into Canada.. Toyota/Lexus/etc has to submit the information to them after that.. it will require about 1-2 days for Transport Canada to update it on their list. Right now.. Toyota/Lexus has provided nothing.

This process is totally "voluntary", Toyota/Lexus does not have to provide this information and if they don't you are SOL. So to bug riv.ca/Transport Canada is a useless process... you would have to annoy the manufactures to provide the information. If Lexus/Toyota/etc does not provide information for any of their 2008 vehicles, then we are SOL, that is their best way to prevent 2008 vehicles from coming to Canada. Anyone got any feedback from the manufactures about 2008 vehicles?

Then that bring me to the question... why provide the information anyway in the first place, what benefits do they get out of it?

[PHANTOMPHOENIX]

OK.. after talking to a gentlement at Transport Canada (very nice and friendly). I think I got a better understanding of what is going on. According to Transport Canada.. for a car to be importable into Canada.. Toyota/Lexus/etc has to submit the information to them after that.. it will require about 1-2 days for Transport Canada to update it on their list. Right now.. Toyota/Lexus has provided nothing.

This process is totally "voluntary", Toyota/Lexus does not have to provide this information and if they don't you are SOL. So to bug riv.ca/Transport Canada is a useless process... you would have to annoy the manufactures to provide the information. If Lexus/Toyota/etc does not provide information for any of their 2008 vehicles, then we are SOL, that is their best way to prevent 2008 vehicles from coming to Canada. Anyone got any feedback from the manufactures about 2008 vehicles?

Then that bring me to the question... would would their provide the information anyway in the first place, what benefits do they get out of it?

Eventually they will have to submit it unless of course they also intend to prevent used 2008 cars from crossing the border. My guess is that they are holding out for now and might not do it until those 2008s are close to a year old if they really want to be pricks about it.

[GabL]

Has anyone got experience importing an used BMW from the states? I just want to know what has to be done? I went through a few pages of this thread (didn't went through all 400 pages yet though), and saw some people was saying it costs $500 to get the recall letter, and $160 for DRL modification, and need to get the car to a BMW dealership in US to get the inspection done in order to get a letter for the custom. So if someone has done this before, can you please share the experience? I'm looking to buy a 2004 3 series from the state. Thank you.

[jadeboy]

Eventually they will have to submit it unless of course they also intend to prevent used 2008 cars from crossing the border. My guess is that they are holding out for now and might not do it until those 2008s are close to a year old if they really want to be pricks about it.

So why would they want to import USED 2008? They does not benefits from it or do they?

[J233]

OK.. after talking to a gentlement at Transport Canada (very nice and friendly). I think I got a better understanding of what is going on. According to Transport Canada.. for a car to be importable into Canada.. Toyota/Lexus/etc has to submit the information to them after that.. it will require about 1-2 days for Transport Canada to update it on their list. Right now.. Toyota/Lexus has provided nothing.

This process is totally "voluntary", Toyota/Lexus does not have to provide this information and if they don't you are SOL. So to bug riv.ca/Transport Canada is a useless process... you would have to annoy the manufactures to provide the information. If Lexus/Toyota/etc does not provide information for any of their 2008 vehicles, then we are SOL, that is their best way to prevent 2008 vehicles from coming to Canada. Anyone got any feedback from the manufactures about 2008 vehicles?

Then that bring me to the question... why provide the information anyway in the first place, what benefits do they get out of it?


Same applies to GM/Saturn - no info on 2008 models. The most frustrating part is that GM says ALL 2008 vehicles, including passenger, vans, pickups are not admissable yet because the list has not been updated. On the other hand, when you contact RIV or "study" their admissibility document, you may think that only 2008 passenger cars are not admissible and truck/SUVs/minivans are OK (section 2 vs. section 5.3).

[jadeboy]

Same applies to GM/Saturn - no info on 2008 models. The most frustrating part is that GM says ALL 2008 vehicles, including passenger, vans, pickups are not admissable yet because the list has not been updated. On the other hand, when you contact RIV or "study" their admissibility document, you may think that only 2008 passenger cars are not admissible and truck/SUVs/minivans are OK (section 2 vs. section 5.3).

They are not admissable because they have NOT provided Transport canada with the documentations.. not because the importable list is not updated. According to Transport Canada it takes about 1-2 days for them to update their list.

[overboost]

I'm importing my 2004 M3 in a week. I'll let you know how it goes.

For the car that I am importing, the DRL is a programmable feature that the dealer can take care of. No modifications needed. This applies for all E46 BMW's and activating the DRL. I was able to get the dealer to look up the VIN number and provide me the recall clearance letter (you just have to contact them and provide the VIN, no inspection needed). Whether RIV will accept that or not, we'll see. Otherwise I'll have to pay $500 to BMW Canada.

Has anyone got experience importing an used BMW from the states? I just want to know what has to be done? I went through a few pages of this thread (didn't went through all 400 pages yet though), and saw some people was saying it costs $500 to get the recall letter, and $160 for DRL modification, and need to get the car to a BMW dealership in US to get the inspection done in order to get a letter for the custom. So if someone has done this before, can you please share the experience? I'm looking to buy a 2004 3 series from the state. Thank you.

[PHANTOMPHOENIX]

So why would they want to import USED 2008? They does not benefits from it or do they?

Well it doesn't really hurt the franchises. They are mainly concerned with new car sales.

Although you are right, I am not sure what they would gain from it.

[shopper-X]

Another question:
I know the Toyota warranty is transferable to Canada, but what about the Platinum Warranty?

A friend found a used Toyota with " included in asking price 6yr/75k mi Platinum extended Warranty"

[lightbulb]

Can anyone provide insight on some Insurance companies that they have had luck with? I'm thinking PC won't be as flexible as I need.

I'm insured with Dominion of Canada. I called my broker, who said I was her 1st client to buy from the US; she in turn called the underwriter for Dominion about buying in the US and was told it was a non-issue. I had a pink slip pdf within hours and the hardcopy in 2 days. The insurance confirmation the dealer was looking for, was also immediatlely faxed over. My broker did mention how ALL cars bought on an existing policy in Ontario are automatically covered for 14 days.

[Super strokey]

Just thought i would share an experince with a ford dealership. THe dude that was trying to sell me the car (suv acutally) said that something needs to be done and he totally agrees. He pretty much told me to wait till the new year as something may happen then. Ive never had a sales man tell me to wait like that, maybe knows something we dont? I doubt it but i thought i would share this anyways. Im waiting till january to buy now for sure though. ANyone else heard anything?

[scouzi]

OK.. after talking to a gentlement at Transport Canada (very nice and friendly). I think I got a better understanding of what is going on. According to Transport Canada.. for a car to be importable into Canada.. Toyota/Lexus/etc has to submit the information to them after that.. it will require about 1-2 days for Transport Canada to update it on their list. Right now.. Toyota/Lexus has provided nothing.

This process is totally "voluntary", Toyota/Lexus does not have to provide this information and if they don't you are SOL. So to bug riv.ca/Transport Canada is a useless process... you would have to annoy the manufactures to provide the information. If Lexus/Toyota/etc does not provide information for any of their 2008 vehicles, then we are SOL, that is their best way to prevent 2008 vehicles from coming to Canada. Anyone got any feedback from the manufactures about 2008 vehicles?

Then that bring me to the question... why provide the information anyway in the first place, what benefits do they get out of it?

How can they sell the cars in Canada without providing Transport Canada with the information?

[jadeboy]

How can they sell the cars in Canada without providing Transport Canada with the information?

I don't know.. but it could be 2008 vehicles sold in Canada are different than 2008 sold in the USA.

[diigii]

Just thought i would share an experince with a ford dealership. THe dude that was trying to sell me the car (suv acutally) said that something needs to be done and he totally agrees. He pretty much told me to wait till the new year as something may happen then. Ive never had a sales man tell me to wait like that, maybe knows something we dont? I doubt it but i thought i would share this anyways. Im waiting till january to buy now for sure though. ANyone else heard anything?

Maybe he's telling to hold off when all automakers will be able to restrict sales of new cars to Canadians. :cheesygri

[michelb]

How can they sell the cars in Canada without providing Transport Canada with the information?

I don't know.. but it could be 2008 vehicles sold in Canada are different than 2008 sold in the USA.

Absolutely, if nothing else, they already have a different speedo/odo so there could be other changes. The ones sold buy the Canadian manufacturers are built for the Canadian manufacturers and may or may not be identical as the US ones ...

You certainly can't say that because the US and Canadian models come from the same factory that they are the same vehicles. That being said, the fact that it is taking so long to get them on the list (either as admissible or inadmissible) isn't right either - if they're selling them in Canada, they know the differences (if any) and they should have to provide the info (no idea if or what the laws are on this ...) Maybe it's a loophole that the RIV needs to have fixed ...

[oasis221]

Another question:
I know the Toyota warranty is transferable to Canada, but what about the Platinum Warranty?

A friend found a used Toyota with " included in asking price 6yr/75k mi Platinum extended Warranty"

Called Toyota Canada and Toyota extended warranties purchased in the US are honoured in Canada.

[scrolllock]

Absolutely, if nothing else, they already have a different speedo/odo so there could be other changes. The ones sold buy the Canadian manufacturers are built for the Canadian manufacturers and may or may not be identical as the US ones ...

You certainly can't say that because the US and Canadian models come from the same factory that they are the same vehicles. That being said, the fact that it is taking so long to get them on the list (either as admissible or inadmissible) isn't right either - if they're selling them in Canada, they know the differences (if any) and they should have to provide the info (no idea if or what the laws are on this ...) Maybe it's a loophole that the RIV needs to have fixed ...

The Honda Civic 2008 has the option to switch from Miles to Kilometers right on the dash. Daytime running lights were added to the 2008 model. This is why I chose it over the 2007. The Canadian Tire folks told me that the only modification required on the 2007 was the DRLs....

I just hope someone with common sense gets involved and solves this delema. Honda US authorizes its dealers to sell to Canadains, then on October 11 they change their minds.

[anony]

Called Toyota Canada and Toyota extended warranties purchased in the US are honoured in Canada.

I read on SiennaClub that Toyota Canada told somone they will honour base warranty but not extended warranty, so that's a conflict of information.

[holders]

I was looking for a 08 Acura RDX.

Deal shot down by several dealers in the beginning. Then a dealer in NY was willing to sell for $700 more than other dealers were asking. (after 1 week of countless calls) And I agreed. This morning they just called saying he won't get a in-transit permit for me. I have to bring a flatbed to pickup the car, or Ontario Temp Permit... I was like WTF...

Anyway I brought a Ontario Temp permit and insurance , intending to pick up the car this weekend. And that salesman won't even refund my extra fees indicating they're all dealer charges. (I know it's not 100% legal to use Ontario Temp Permit for this, but what can I do? I have no intention in wasting 1k more to shipping companies, and I have planned everything for this weekend.)

I really hope we as Canadian consumers shouldn't have to jump through this many loops to get our car at a legit price.

I strongly suggest any people looking for cars other than Subaru should look at used ones. It's really a PITA to import a new one.

[HighFlyer]

I strongly suggest any people looking for cars other than Subaru should look at used ones. It's really a PITA to import a new one.
If they make it such a PITA, then maybe we should boycott them entirely.

I was a loyal Honda owner until they joined in on the import restriction fiasco. Then one day I had to rent a car in the US..... it turned out to be a Subaru and from that point on it was easy to say sayonara to Honda.

[spottedmoose]

minister flaherty has professed publicly that his ministry is taking initiatives to convince big business to pass on the savings that the strong canadian dollar furnish..at the moment there are windfall profits for business as they are not passing on the savings.(just check out the prices in the US in walmart and home depot if you get a chance)
rather than talk to transport canada or RIV,we all should be writing to the minister of transport,lawrence cannon(mintc@tc.gc.ca) and to jim flaherty(jflaherty@fin.gc.ca) and to our local MP's expressing our displeasure at the toyota tactics and urging them to bypass the requirement of toyota supplying transport canada with the compliance info(after all ,all toyota vehicles have been admitted since 1992(with a few oddball exceptions,which are not in production now).
if transport canada cannot work around this ,then the other manufacturers will follow suit and that is the end of new car buying in the US..
we should be besieging the politicians on this..if everyone who read this board sent these emails ,something might actually happen to make importing easier.

[whampoa]

ok guys heres the update on the situation: I went back to the MTO and argued with them that my car did not need a safety but they tried to pull everything they had off their dusty shelves and made me look at it, but no where did it state that a car that had never been regestered had to be safety. The supervisor at the office kept arguing with me that my car had been regestered in NY where i had bought it but that was not the case. She told me that she'd been making people get safety's for the past 20 years.. I got her on the phone with Karl @ Van Bortel and she totally goes off topic with him and tells him i need a safety because its under ontario law..failing to ask if the car was regestered in NY. Long story short i demanded answers from someone above her and within an hour I get a call back from their MTO office saying my car does not need a safety.

Things to note if they ever do ask you for a safety on your new imported vehicle:

*Let them know that you Certificate of Origin (new vehicles) and that it is NOT a Certificate of Title (used cars in US) and as Monsieurmaggot said.. get them to either call the 1-800 number or get them to contact their head office, which is what i did.

with that said, my subaru legacy gt is now offically imported and plated :razz:

By chance is that the MTO vehicles and licensing issuing office located at Kipling Mall, 1255 The Queensway, Unit 16B, Toronto ON M8Z 1S1.

I'm not sure if they're private or public. But if that's the case, we definitely have serious problems with that specific office.

I wonder how many people got rip-off by them over the year.

We should get more testimony and report them to the ministry about this little scam they pulled at that location.

Grats on the car G-star! Can't believe all the troubles you went through at the MTO. I just picked up my car from Karl on Monday, went to MTO on Tuesday without any issues. Guess it depends on the knowledge level of the staff at each location.

Don't you just love that new car smell too :cheesygri

It's not about knowledge level of the staff. Each location should follow the rule by the book and not up to their own interpretation or discretion.

I smell something really fishy in some of this location requesting safety inspection on new import car.

[jadeboy]

That being said, the fact that it is taking so long to get them on the list (either as admissible or inadmissible) isn't right either - if they're selling them in Canada, they know the differences (if any) and they should have to provide the info (no idea if or what the laws are on this ...) Maybe it's a loophole that the RIV needs to have fixed ...

Remember.... according to Transport Canada.. it's "voluntary" to provide the information, they can choose to not provide any info at all.

[oasis221]

I read on SiennaClub that Toyota Canada told somone they will honour base warranty but not extended warranty, so that's a conflict of information.

Call Toyota USA 1-800-228-8559 or Toyota Canada 1-888-869-6828

[5136440]

Maybe he's telling to hold off when all automakers will be able to restrict sales of new cars to Canadians. :cheesygri

This is a reasonable assumption.
:idea:

[sika]

Can anybody think at the following situation?

You have a friend in States. He will buy the car and you'll be buying form him next hour?

Why this doesn't work?

Then anybody can buy whatever car they want?

Or Is not allowd by US such market procedures?

[reddy54]

Can anybody think at the following situation?

You have a friend in States. He will buy the car and you'll be buying form him next hour?

Why this doesn't work?

Then anybody can buy whatever car they want?

Or Is not allowd by US such market procedures?

It will work but not everyone has friends let alone one in the USA

[Monsieurmaggot]

Can anybody think at the following situation?

You have a friend in States. He will buy the car and you'll be buying form him next hour?

Why this doesn't work?

Then anybody can buy whatever car they want?

Or Is not allowd by US such market procedures?


So your friend buys the car in the US. He pays US tax. He signs over the CoO to you and you pay him $$$. You get it notarized. Then you bring the car over and declare it. You still need to wait 72 hours to get the US Customs clearance.

Where's the Recall Letter going? If that's a resale, then you will also need an emission and safety since the car changed hands.

Aside from the double taxes, safety and emission test, your scheme should work.

I'm not sure about the ownership transfer. That's a bit cloudy for me.

[heinrich]

Called my insurer (RBC) yesterday, without even hesitating, rep said no problem to buying in the US, just provide the VIN and they will send the slips.

Surprisingly, my new rate will only be $20 more per year! Going from an 02 RAV4 to an 08 Outback. Probably because the RAV has no ABS, no side/curtain airbags, and a poor side impact rating (which are the reasons why I'm buying something else!).

Thanks for the tip - I just called RBC and got a quote (almost $1000 more than PC financial's quote, except PC won't get me back from the states), asked directly that it would be good for bringing a car back from the US, they had me on hold for a few minutes to verify, and were then happy to issue the policy so long as i faxed in registration info within 45 days of purchase. So I can always cancel RBC and switch back to PC once the car is registered, I suppose.

To date my experience has been:
PC Financial - completely impossible, if you admit it's coming from the states - I didn't try to snow or lie to the call center staff, however. They're my current insurer, and trying to get them to just put on paper that by law I get 14 days coverage on any new car has been a Heller-esque nightmare. Fail.

Belairdirect - they will admit on the phone that they'll give the "special privilidge" of bringing a car back from the US, but as soon as the rep found out I was a new, not an existing customer, he changed his story and claimed they weren't allowed to underwrite US import cars unless I bought a separate house insurance or other car policy first. Not impressed.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Thanks for the tip - I just called RBC and got a quote (almost $1000 more than PC financial's quote, except PC won't get me back from the states), asked directly that it would be good for bringing a car back from the US, they had me on hold for a few minutes to verify, and were then happy to issue the policy so long as i faxed in registration info within 45 days of purchase. So I can always cancel RBC and switch back to PC once the car is registered, I suppose.

To date my experience has been:
PC Financial - completely impossible, if you admit it's coming from the states - I didn't try to snow or lie to the call center staff, however. They're my current insurer, and trying to get them to just put on paper that by law I get 14 days coverage on any new car has been a Heller-esque nightmare. Fail.

Belairdirect - they will admit on the phone that they'll give the "special privilidge" of bringing a car back from the US, but as soon as the rep found out I was a new, not an existing customer, he changed his story and claimed they weren't allowed to underwrite US import cars unless I bought a separate house insurance or other car policy first. Not impressed.

Try real insurers (no need to comment) not the no frills/cut-rate companies. Unless you have a long history or a bunch of policies with them, those of us on RFD are finding the big box companies (Co-op., Allstate, SF, etc..) don't seem to have problems with cross-border purchases. My insurer (State Farm) was very familiar with US sales and didn't have any problems insuring me for full coverage just as I would get if I bought in Canada. They did insist on transit permits for all jurisdictions I travelled through (Ontario and NY).

[jabelone]

if transport canada cannot work around this ,then the other manufacturers will follow suit and that is the end of new car buying in the US..

Not just new cars... new anything in the US.

we should be besieging the politicians on this..if everyone who read this board sent these emails ,something might actually happen to make importing easier.

I agree 100% but everyone seems to be too busy buying Suburu's! Most people can't see their rights slowly being taken from them until they wake up one day and they're gone. Politician's especially! I had the Canadian Deputy Director of US Trade Relations (call 1-613-943-4550) explain that this was nothing more than a business protecting exclusive regional pricing agreements, but when pressed for similar examples, he cited entirely different situations to what's occurring here. There is nothing analogous to a US firm outright denying to sell to people a legal product based on their citizenry (which is what Honda and others are doing). But if he was okay with it, the future looks grim. Pretty soon, every company worried about cross border shopping will demand the same "regional pricing agreement" and suddenly NAFTA will mean nothing. Buy hey, as long as Suburu has heated seats, right?

[ottawa_hull]

Forget the Mercedes SUV man, it 's inadmissible. You need to export this SUV back to US.

Check section 5 of :
http://www.riv.ca/english/US_vehicle_admissibility.pdf

All others SUV but Mercedes-Benz.

How did you come up with this conclusion?

[scrolllock]

minister flaherty has professed publicly that his ministry is taking initiatives to convince big business to pass on the savings that the strong canadian dollar furnish..at the moment there are windfall profits for business as they are not passing on the savings.(just check out the prices in the US in walmart and home depot if you get a chance)
rather than talk to transport canada or RIV,we all should be writing to the minister of transport,lawrence cannon(mintc@tc.gc.ca) and to jim flaherty(jflaherty@fin.gc.ca) and to our local MP's expressing our displeasure at the toyota tactics and urging them to bypass the requirement of toyota supplying transport canada with the compliance info(after all ,all toyota vehicles have been admitted since 1992(with a few oddball exceptions,which are not in production now).
if transport canada cannot work around this ,then the other manufacturers will follow suit and that is the end of new car buying in the US..
we should be besieging the politicians on this..if everyone who read this board sent these emails ,something might actually happen to make importing easier.

Done!

Now some good news... a comic book seller in Montreal has decided to sell all books at the U.S. price.... he is smart!:!:

For all those buying winter tires go to the U.S. I was quoted a 70 dollar difference for each tire.... and they would store my all seasons over the winter... At that price I will be glad to pay the GST at customs on my way home...

Jump on it before the Canadian Tire companies get wind and tell the U.S companies not to sell to Canadians. Just after they closed down a Goodyear plant in Vallyfield last spring and moved all the jobs to the U.S.

Did you here the latest... I went to a Macdonald's in the U.S. to buy a big Mac and Fries. They refused to serve me because I was Canadian! Colusion reigns applenty!!

From this day forward I will not buy anything over $100 in Canada, until I check the pricing in the U.S.

[whampoa]

Done!

Did you here the latest... I went to a Macdonald's in the U.S. to buy a big Mac and Fries. They refused to serve me because I was Canadian! Colusion reigns applenty!!

From this day forward I will not buy anything over $100 in Canada, until I check the pricing in the U.S.

No, I haven't here the latest news about Mickey D!

What the hell are you babbling about. Please fill in the detail.

And why do they care if you're Canuck or not?

Do they ask for your ID or you just pay in Loonies, and they only exchange sixty cents to the dollar and you're pissed!

[scrolllock]

No, I haven't here the latest news about Mickey D!

What the hell are you babbling about. Please fill in the detail.

And why do they care if you're Canuck or not?

Do they ask for your ID or you just pay in Loonies, and they only exchange sixty cents to the dollar and you're pissed!

Sorry about the spelling. please replace "Here" with "Hear".

If you are a newcommer to this thread I suggest you go back a few pages and you will get the general gist that many companies in Canada and the U.S are colluding to keep the price of their products higher in Canada. The Car manufacturers in particular.

I was hoping to pass onto everyone the news on winter tires. and at the same time provide a bit of levity with the Macdonald's joke!

As of today the 1 U.S. dollar = 1.0270 loonie.
A $20,000 car in the U.S should cost lest than $20,000 in canada not $26,000

[scrolllock]

Sorry about the spelling. please replace "Here" with "Hear".

If you are a newcommer to this thread I suggest you go back a few pages and you will get the general gist that many companies in Canada and the U.S are colluding to keep the price of their products higher in Canada. The Car manufacturers in particular.

I was hoping to pass onto everyone the news on winter tires. and at the same time provide a bit of levity with the Macdonald's joke!



As of today the 1.027 U.S. dollar = 1.00 loonie.
A $20,000 U.S car in the U.S should cost less than $20,000 in Canada not $26,000

[smpmush]

I don't know.. but it could be 2008 vehicles sold in Canada are different than 2008 sold in the USA.
I know for a fact there is no difference betweeen GM pickups built for the US market and the Canadian market... except drl's which are programmeable and trhe spedo is opposite.. Miles on top opposed to KM's on top.. everything else is the same.. No reason for these not to be on the list.. it does beg the question of how can they sell 08's here and refuse to let them be imported???? Wait, we know the answer ... they are closing the border to Canadians... It looks like it will only get worse as the $ rises.. :mad:

[49ers]

Anybody is buying a BMW X5 in USA?

[drayog]

I know this is a little of topic but it is very related. Just bought a new 07 Honda ATV (great year end deals) from the US, saved over $4,000, paid just under $8,000CDN all in, compared to $12,000 in CND. If anyone is interested in purchasing a ATV in Western Canada (BC , Alberta) pm me and I'll provide you with the info and contact.

[diigii]

I know this is a little of topic but it is very related. Just bought a new 07 Honda ATV (great year end deals) from the US, saved over $4,000, paid just under $8,000CDN all in, compared to $12,000 in CND. If anyone is interested in purchasing a ATV in Western Canada (BC , Alberta) pm me and I'll provide you with the info and contact.

I'm sure one of your pm's will be from a Honda Canada snitch finding out who's your dealer and contact so that they will be given a "friendly" call from Honda USA ordering the dealer not to sell to Canadians.

"Hey Honda snitch! You've got such a red a**hole!" :mad:

[whampoa]

I know this is a little of topic but it is very related. Just bought a new 07 Honda ATV (great year end deals) from the US, saved over $4,000, paid just under $8,000CDN all in, compared to $12,000 in CND. If anyone is interested in purchasing a ATV in Western Canada (BC , Alberta) pm me and I'll provide you with the info and contact.

I suggest you watch out for the member post count before replying to a PM request.

Minimum hundred plus post and member for at least one year, any less is either a lurker or snitcher.

[bcbud]

I'm sure one of your pm's will be from a Honda Canada snitch finding out who's your dealer and contact so that they will be given a "friendly" call from Honda USA ordering the dealer not to sell to Canadians.

"Hey Honda snitch! You've got such a red a**hole!" :mad:

I know this is a little of topic but it is very related. Just bought a new 07 Honda ATV (great year end deals) from the US, saved over $4,000, paid just under $8,000CDN all in, compared to $12,000 in CND. If anyone is interested in purchasing a ATV in Western Canada (BC , Alberta) pm me and I'll provide you with the info and contact.

I'm not a snitch and would interested in the Honda ATV contact details please PM me. I will wait a year or two for a vehicle purchase as I we really want to buy a diesel. Wife would want a Turbo Boxer diesel Tribeca (if offered) while I would like a Diesel Ridgeline(if offered) hauling a Honda Utility ATV.
I realize I may have to wait more like 2-3 years but I believe prices are only going to get better both in Canada and America.

[jabelone]

Minimum hundred plus post and member for at least one year, any less is either a lurker or snitcher.

Alternatively, anyone with 700+ posts and been member for over half a decade is either obsessive/compulsive or needs to get a life.

Actually, thousands of people are discovering this forum (and this thread in particular) as they search online for info about this developing issue. It doesn't make them "lurkers' and it sure doesn't make them "snitches".

[jadeboy]

I suggest you watch out for the member post count before replying to a PM request.

Minimum hundred plus post and member for at least one year, any less is either a lurker or snitcher.


I agreed.. there are some dealerships here.. anyone less than 1 year is a potential snitch.

[trex]

got an email today from town & country bmw (GTA dealer). due to the strong canadian dollar, they have announced the following:

1. cheaper leasing rates
2. 1500 to 25000 (yes 25 thousand) "delivery credit" for cash purchase of vehicles, depending on model, 2007s and 8s.
3. better financing rates

the delivery credit sounds enticing! i bet their competitors will have to follow suit.

[RRKnight]

I say screw all the Toyota dealers for making the consumers jump through hoops to purchase a Toyota in the states. The latest news have it, Toyota's reliability have dropped from 1st to 5th and the Subaru have prevail with the 4th spot.

http://money.cnn.com/2007/10/16/autos/cr_reliability/index.htm?postversion=2007101613

That's why I got a 08 outback myself and very happy with the decision.
(Coming from a previous 1989 camry owner.:D )

[sphinxx]

I say screw all the Toyota dealers for making the consumers jump through hoops to purchase a Toyota in the states. The latest news have it, Toyota's reliability have dropped from 1st to 5th and the Subaru have prevail with the 4th spot.

http://money.cnn.com/2007/10/16/autos/cr_reliability/index.htm?postversion=2007101613

That's why I got a 08 outback myself and very happy with the decision.
(Coming from a previous 1989 camry owner.:D )

You know what : screw Toyotal....
I was thinking about getting a lex, not gonna happen now.
I'm aiming for Subaru or an Audi.

[diigii]

I say screw all the Toyota dealers for making the consumers jump through hoops to purchase a Toyota in the states. The latest news have it, Toyota's reliability have dropped from 1st to 5th and the Subaru have prevail with the 4th spot.

http://money.cnn.com/2007/10/16/autos/cr_reliability/index.htm?postversion=2007101613

That's why I got a 08 outback myself and very happy with the decision.
(Coming from a previous 1989 camry owner.:D )

Better yet another reason to dump Toyota. Have you noticed their Camry's are being used for taxis? A lot of Camry taxis out there! :cheesygri

[sika]

Can anybody tell us the recipe in how to import a car from a private sale?
I got few opinions but not through the end. Anybody did this before?

It's Ok for now for at least 1 type of brand to buy new directly from dealer (I'm not saying who to avoid blocking them in the future) but what is if someone wants other new car manufactures and he has an extra help over the border.

Let's have an example:

Friends in Buffalo are ( the nicest case :))
1) You'll go there and choose the car model and seal the deal of a new car
2) Pay the car but you put in your friend/relative name. so he becames the owner. you have everything in his name. What/Who can stop him to sell you the car? The car now is "used" you'll be the second owner....I'll say totally legal
3) In this moment they will have to pay the state tax , why we're not clever and let the dealer pay these tax let's called this is the part of the deal.
4) Perfect case you'll be paying same money as you import the care and they will waive the state with the motive you're exporting the car
till here is clear....
5) Recall letter you'll need anyway
6) the letter to US customs you'll get it from DMV? here is the part I don't get it
7) can your friend send the fax or just DMV (in this case considered dealer)
8) rest of the fees GST +RIV +PST paid+AC tax
9) Emission $35 e-safety will pass without problems )it's a brand new car after all)
10 Safety is another $75 bucs ....but other tax I don't thing will be added to the final bill

Can anybody complete with true informations what I'm assuming here?
I will say this will help others, who want "special" cars and sure they have a little help for the State buddies :))

Thanks

[elviswhite]

got an email today from town & country bmw (GTA dealer). due to the strong canadian dollar, they have announced the following:

1. cheaper leasing rates
2. 1500 to 25000 (yes 25 thousand) "delivery credit" for cash purchase of vehicles, depending on model, 2007s and 8s.
3. better financing rates

the delivery credit sounds enticing! i bet their competitors will have to follow suit.

Which models? When does it go into effect?

[teep]

I suggest you watch out for the member post count before replying to a PM request.
Minimum hundred plus post and member for at least one year, any less is either a lurker or snitcher.

Whoa there whampoa! Neither snitcher nor lurker I

[trex]

Which models? When does it go into effect?

the changes are effective as of october 17. as for which models, no details were given. you can ask at the dealerships. my email came from town and country, but the changes originate from BMW, not the dealership.

[teep]

the changes are effective as of october 17. as for which models, no details were given. you can ask at the dealerships. my email came from town and country, but the changes originate from BMW, not the dealership.

nothing on the BMW websites yet (including the built-it-yourself confobulator). If 5 series reductions bring it +/- into line with US prices, they might have gotten themselves a customer here...

[tico 1948]

Whoa there whampoa! Neither snitcher nor lurker I

Nor Moi. It seems that "Paranoia Strikes Three" is beginning to creep into this thread. I believe in Kharma. Snitches and Unscrupulous Lurkers will be casterated, in due time, with a ______________! (You fill in the blank with whatever you true RFDer's find appropriate.):eek: :twisted:

[allknowing]

Most likely big discounts on the clearing of 2007. Which would be the case regardless of the US pricing. Sounds like they are trying to make it sound like they are lowering their prices rather then their normal clearance prices for '07s.

[stock_junkie]

I'm picking up my new car in the U.S. on November 8th. I just gave PC Financial the VIN and the date I wanted coverage to start. They never asked me where I was purchasing the car from so I didn't tell. Could I run into problems if I had an accident in the States? Or am I covered?

[Danno2005]

Call them and ask?????

[p110232]

snitcher am not, too. :D

just lurkin' all day for the latest updates... and very happy to hear about the bmw 25k delivery credit. Thanks for the heads-up trex.

[veryhuman]

What's a delivery credit? :o

[ian46]

from Toronto Star
http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/267998

Dealer cites ban on sales to Canada

Ski-Doo maker BRP criticized for halting cross-border business

Oct 18, 2007 04:30 AM
GRAND FORKS, N.D.–A snowmobile dealer in North Dakotasays he has been ordered by Quebec-based Bombardier Recreational Products Inc. to stop selling snow machines, ATVs and watercraft to Canadians who are looking to take advantage of the rising value of the loonie.
Ron Thompson, owner of Gateway Sports in Grand Forks, N.D. says he was told by Bombardier to increase a surcharge for Canadian buyers and ultimately to stop selling to Canucks at all. Bombardier Recreational makes the popular Ski-Doo and Sea-Doo vehicles.
"Canadians want to buy a Canadian product but I'm not allowed to sell it to them," said Thompson, who turned away 45 Canadian customers in the past two weeks.
Thompson said Canadians can save several thousands of dollars on the purchase of a snow machine in the United States.
Thompson said Bombardier's standard policy had been for its dealers to impose a 7.5 per cent surcharge on all sales to Canadians.
Two weeks ago, Bombardier expanded that to 7.5 per cent or $1,250 – whichever was higher. Last week, the company raised the rate again to $3,000. And earlier this week, Thompson said, a Bombardier representative told him not to sell to Canadians at all.
"They said it's to protect the Canadian dealers, but when the Canadian dollar (was at 70 cents) and Americans were going north to make their purchases, nobody was protecting my interests."
Thompson also said Bombardier will void the warranty on any craft purchased by a Canadian in the U.S. and has threatened to cancel agreements with dealers who sell to Canadians.
Pierre Pichette, Bombardier's vice-president of communications and public affairs, said the company has always assigned geographic boundaries to its dealerships and financial penalties to enforce them.
The policy is based on market analysis and ensures that dealers not only sell but also can service Bombardier products.
The national head of the Consumers Association of Canada says the organization's legal team will be examining the Bombardier policy.
"The actions of Bombardier are disgraceful," said Bruce Cran. ``This is a Canadian firm that has received billions and billions of dollars in the form of loans, loan guarantees and grants from Canadian taxpayers."
Cran said Bombardier's move is morally wrong, but added he doesn't know if the Quebec manufacturer is breaking any laws.
A senior official with the federal Competition Bureau said Canadian law recognizes the right of manufacturers to set up and enforce distribution agreements.
John Pecman, the Competition Bureau's assistant deputy commissioner for criminal matters, said the Competition Act recognizes the free enterprise system, adding that Bombardier's practices would have to be examined in context to provisions of the legislation to determine if an investigation is warranted.
Cran said Canadians should protest the Bombardier policy by boycotting the Quebec manufacturer and contact their MPs to demand action be taken.


For those interested in the "Big Picture" the above
quote introduces the LEGAL issue involved here, from
my point of view:

There are actually several Canadian laws in play here -
one supports free trade while the other allows companies
to set up and protect their "territories".

However, what happens after title (=ownership) is
transferred to the end user (=customer) ? The end
user is not bound by the "territory clause", which was intended
to prevent high volume/low cost city retailers from eating up their lower
volume rural based SAME BRAND retailer.

In addition, all cdn companies are ALSO bound by the NAFTA agreement,
which prevents them from setting up
trade barriers (eg: voiding the warrantee, etc)
Companies have not yet realized that they must abide
by ALL the laws of the land, not just the law that best
suits them today.

Hopefully a judge/jury and/or Cdn government body will
soon clarify this situation.

In the mean time , all Cdn consumers should:
1) Boycott offending retailers and
2) Complain long and hard to their local MP for
ACTION !

As always, my personal opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of any group,
company, etc. You should do your own research first before coming
to your own opinions and conclusions.

[Bincent]

In the mean time , all cdn consumers should:
1) Boycott offending retailers and
2) Complain long and hard to their local MP for
ACTION !

Well, I'm in the market for a new vehicle and based on what I've seen in this thread and in the news, I've ruled out certain Manufacturers now because of how they are "protecting" their distribution districts. *cough* Toyota/Honda *cough*

I'm sure not everyone is going to shy away from the Toyota's/Honda's out there for a Subaru, but this is what I am doing and the manufacturers should realize that with these actions that they are taking, they are losing customers that would have at least taken their products into consideration when shopping for a new vehicle. Now that I know what they are doing, I've taken them completely off my short list.

In the end, numbers will rule. I'm not sure if Subaru's are breaking any sales records this month/year, but it's got to hurt since it's sales taken away from many other manufacturers. If you are so intent on protecting your distribution channel, you are also neglecting the fact that you are also potentially losing business overall since it's just not worthwhile for the consumer to purchase the vehicle within Canada. However, I'm fairly certain that US operations/sales are completely separate from their Canadian equivalent. Which makes it much more complicated because since each operate mostly independently, that is probably why they are trying to "protect" their own dealers and being obnoxious of the fact that potential customers have choice and can very easily eliminate options that were previously in the mix. But who's going to feel the effect of this... certainly not Toyota/Honda US/Canada because they are too ignorant individually. It will be Toyota's/Honda's head office that will eventually get overall sales numbers and by that time, it is too late.

[ian46]

By the way, for those of you not
familiar with the Cdn Competition ACT,
here is a DIRECT quote:

OFFENCES IN RELATION TO COMPETITION

Conspiracy

45. (1) Every one who conspires, combines, agrees or arranges with another person

(a) to limit unduly the facilities for transporting, producing, manufacturing, supplying,
storing or dealing in any product,

(b) to prevent, limit or lessen, unduly, the manufacture or production of a product
or to enhance unreasonably the price thereof,

(c) to prevent or lessen, unduly, competition in the production, manufacture, purchase,
barter, sale, storage, rental, transportation or supply of a product, or in the price
of insurance on persons or property, or

(d) to otherwise restrain or injure competition unduly,

is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding
five years or to a fine not exceeding ten million dollars or to both.

As always, my personal opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of any group,
company, etc. You should do your own research first before coming
to your own opinions and conclusions.

[scrolllock]

Alternatively, anyone with 700+ posts and been member for over half a decade is either obsessive/compulsive or needs to get a life.

Actually, thousands of people are discovering this forum (and this thread in particular) as they search online for info about this developing issue. It doesn't make them "lurkers' and it sure doesn't make them "snitches".

Thanks for your frank input. This is a great thread! You just have to be aware of the possibility that some of the folks that are using it could be working against us.

Thanks

[Bincent]

By the way, for those of you not
familiar with the Cdn Competition ACT,
here is a DIRECT quote:

OFFENCES IN RELATION TO COMPETITION

Conspiracy

45. (1) Every one who conspires, combines, agrees or arranges with another person

(a) to limit unduly the facilities for transporting, producing, manufacturing, supplying,
storing or dealing in any product,

(b) to prevent, limit or lessen, unduly, the manufacture or production of a product
or to enhance unreasonably the price thereof,

(c) to prevent or lessen, unduly, competition in the production, manufacture, purchase,
barter, sale, storage, rental, transportation or supply of a product, or in the price
of insurance on persons or property, or

(d) to otherwise restrain or injure competition unduly,

is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding
five years or to a fine not exceeding ten million dollars or to both.

I can see a case against 1a/b... not so sure about c/d since it applies to competition and I suppose that Toyota can argue that their US arm is not in competition with the Canadian arm. But all these laws have different interpretations so who would be considered competition? Does it have to be another manufacturer or can it be within your own brand (ie. Toyota)?

[holders]

Bad news today. Deal got shot down again... this time I have already wired the money and scheduled delivery for tomorrow. This time I am really pissed, at the dealership and by Acura.

[oasis221]

I read on SiennaClub that Toyota Canada told somone they will honour base warranty but not extended warranty, so that's a conflict of information.

Thank you for your recent correspondence.

Please be advised that the American Extra Care Protection (ECP) is valid in Canada.

We hope the above information is useful.

Sincerely,

Toyota Canada Inc.

[michelb]

Thank you for your recent correspondence.

Please be advised that the American Extra Care Protection (ECP) is valid in Canada.

We hope the above information is useful.

Sincerely,

Toyota Canada Inc.

Thank you for checking into this (rather than just spitting back what you heard/read)

[Trexim]

I am wondering how would one pay the US dealer? I keep hearing "wire money" but what exactly does that mean? Can we bring a check there? Go to the bank personally? Do the transaction on the phone (the dealer must have given you their bank account number?)?

Also, it seems most (if not all) pay the car in full before actually seeing it, is that right? Is it true that you'll only get the title if you have paid in full?

Thanks,

[HighFlyer]

as of 10:28AM EDT... 1 CAD = 1.0353 US Pesos

[ian46]

Anti-competition act, my interpretation:

1) The magic word "OR" means that a case
would exist if one or more situations are true.

2) If it goes before a judge,the whole issue will
involve the meaning of the phrases "limit unduly"
and "enhance unreasonably". A slam dunk win
for the consumer in my view, but I am not
a legal expert ...


In practical terms, it was in the press today that
the Cdn Federal Gov't is having a MEETING next
week with company reps on this very issue.


(I would love to be a fly on the wall in that meeting)

It was stated that "moral suasion" will be used,
which means to me that it will go something like
this:

1) Gov't: "Voluntarily close the price gap, or else ! "

2) Companies: What do you mean by "or else" ?

3) Gov't: Fight this and if you lose , please note that
the penalties in the cdn Competion Act include
provisions for PRISON TERMS.

And by the way, have you read the papers lately-
this Federal Gov't is heading towards an election
very soon where they will be seeking a MAJORITY
mandate .... this would make a great common
issue to run an election on !


How can the average consumer do his
part - boycott & complain to your MP !

As always, my personal opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of any group,
company, etc. You should do your own research first before coming
to your own opinions and conclusions.

[Louist]

the changes are effective as of october 17. as for which models, no details were given. you can ask at the dealerships. my email came from town and country, but the changes originate from BMW, not the dealership.

I called it is 1500 on an 08 335. So a bit of in your pocket cash. 1500 more than everyone else is offering so far...except Porche did 10%

November might heat things up with real low October sales.

[elviswhite]

I called it is 1500 on an 08 335. So a bit of in your pocket cash. 1500 more than everyone else is offering so far...except Porche did 10%

November might heat things up with real low October sales.

Went to BMW this morning. I was told there was a $5500 money back credit on 07 X5s $7500 on remaining M5s. That's for purchase, only. Only models like 760 would get $25k cash back. Credit on 08 models will be much less. Also there would be special lease and financing rates (big deal).

[gsuperman]

I am wondering how would one pay the US dealer? I keep hearing "wire money" but what exactly does that mean? Can we bring a check there? Go to the bank personally? Do the transaction on the phone (the dealer must have given you their bank account number?)?

Also, it seems most (if not all) pay the car in full before actually seeing it, is that right? Is it true that you'll only get the title if you have paid in full?

Thanks,

That depends on where you buy the car from. If you're buying a Subaru from Karl at VB, they don't require any down payment or deposit. I basically showed up with a bank draft the day I picked up my car.

But if you really need to wire the money, buying from another dealer, that usually entails getting certain bank account information from the dealer, and going to a local bank here and giving them the details for the wire. Others that have actually done this can probably give you more details.

[Lost Horizon]

You know what : screw Toyotal....
I was thinking about getting a lex, not gonna happen now.
I'm aiming for Subaru or an Audi.

I ended up with the Subaru, thinking it was just the least hassle. I had never even been in one until the dealer in Bellingham handed me the keys in the *blinding* rain, knowing I had to make the 13:00 ferry back to Victoria. There was a lot of truck traffic on I-5, serious standing water in the tracks, and the Legacy just stuck like glue on a dry sock. I would have travelled slower in my BMW, even with it's dynamic stability control. By the time I arrived home, my reasoning had gone from the path of least resistance to the greatest car out there for the money.

So, in a way, thank you Honda, thank you Toyota. Generous of you to have me take that second thought and look around after of a lifetime of sheep-like buying. :D

[hotgo]

Am I missing something, but are there no Legacy wagons available in the US? The subaru.com site seems to only have the sedans...

[Trexim]

That depends on where you buy the car from. If you're buying a Subaru from Karl at VB, they don't require any down payment or deposit. I basically showed up with a bank draft the day I picked up my car.

But if you really need to wire the money, buying from another dealer, that usually entails getting certain bank account information from the dealer, and going to a local bank here and giving them the details for the wire. Others that have actually done this can probably give you more details.

Ah, thank you very much. Just another reason to look at a Subaru. :)

[Lost Horizon]

That depends on where you buy the car from. If you're buying a Subaru from Karl at VB, they don't require any down payment or deposit. I basically showed up with a bank draft the day I picked up my car.

But if you really need to wire the money, buying from another dealer, that usually entails getting certain bank account information from the dealer, and going to a local bank here and giving them the details for the wire. Others that have actually done this can probably give you more details.

For Dewey Griffin in Bellingham where I bought mine, ( I wanted a specific model/options combo). I gave him my credit card # over the phone. He spent a week or so looking around the State to come as close as possible to my wish list, snagged/put a hold on the vehicle by putting $1000 down. After that he called me to check if that was "the one". We agreed, and he got it delivered from the Seattle area to Bellingham. Once it got there (I asked them to drive it up, to work out any infant bugs it might have had coming off the line, and fix them pre-delivery), I wired the money to their bank. They provided the detailed transaction routing to me for their account. My bank charged $50 US to do it, and I think their end sucked up another $10US.

After that, I just picked a day to go get the car. The border folks (Export and Import) are well oiled in this by now, and they have streamlined the process a lot. It took me 10 minutes to export, and 20 minutes to import (thx to this thread and others.. it was easy to understand the process, and to make sure you have it all lined up.. One thoing the Canadian agent did as tho, was proof that I had actually paid for the car (other than the bill of sale). So when I had wired the money, I asked the bank to stamp the printout, which they did. The agent was happy with that.

The whole deal went smoother than the purchase of my BMW 335 last year locally. Wake up Canada.

[gsuperman]

Am I missing something, but are there no Legacy wagons available in the US? The subaru.com site seems to only have the sedans...

Not sure why, but the Legacy wagon is discontinued in the States. I think the Sedan is sharper anyways :razz:

[p110232]

Went to BMW this morning. I was told there was a $5500 money back credit on 07 X5s $7500 on remaining M5s. That's for purchase, only. Only models like 760 would get $25k cash back. Credit on 08 models will be much less. Also there would be special lease and financing rates (big deal).

so much for the "up to 25k credit"... just your plain old marketing diversionary tactic to see who's gonna bite.

back to the drawing board :|

[diigii]

Not sure why, but the Legacy wagon is discontinued in the States. I think the Sedan is sharper anyways :razz:

It's because of dismal sales of the station wagon configuration due to Americans' love for SUVs (size) and disdain for the station wagon led to Subaru discontinuing the wagon in the US. But for Canada, Canadians lean more towards European-style functionality. This can be proven with iterations from Volvo, BMW, Mercedes, Saab, Audi, etc.

[Bincent]

In practical terms, it was in the press today that
the Cdn Federal Gov't is having a MEETING next
week with company reps on this very issue.

(I would love to be a fly on the wall in that meeting)

It was stated that "moral suasion" will be used,
which means to me that it will go something like
this:

1) Gov't: "Voluntarily close the price gap, or else ! "

2) Companies: What do you mean by "or else" ?

3) Gov't: Fight this and if you lose , please note that
the penalties in the cdn Competion Act include
provisions for PRISON TERMS.

And by the way, have you read the papers lately-
this Federal Gov't is heading towards an election
very soon where they will be seeking a MAJORITY
mandate .... this would make a great common
issue to run an election on !


I'm not sure if the gov't has that much pull in this situation. Keep in mind that these auto manufacturers employ thousands of people here in Canada. If it were to become financially unreasonable for a company to operate here, the manufacturers could threaten to move the operations elsewhere. But I have to agree that it should not cost that much more to do business here in Canada vs. in the US to warrant such inflated auto prices. And did US citizens also go through the same hassle and discrimination when it was cheaper for a US person to purchase vehicles from Canada?

[Lost Horizon]

^^ Senators sit on senior boards for a reason.. so that the Corp's can pown them and herd the sheep accordingly...

We do have the power, if we stick together. They count on the fact that historically, we won't and many sheep will bolt.

For example, let's start by picking on one of them (divide and conquer- we use their tactic).. say, for example, No one in Canada buys a Honda from Oct 15 to Nov 15th.

I'm dreaming, of course, but if it actually happended, they would have to break ranks. Next month pick on Toyota, then it would be over for the mid priced stuff... Next, point Team Canada at BMW.. the one I love to hate personally...

Not gonna happen, because we are the sheep, and don't really understand how the shepherd works or is motivated to act on us. But the laws of consumer physics are there, if we only understood their power as a herd.

[NoooProblem]

By the way, for those of you not
familiar with the Cdn Competition ACT,
here is a DIRECT quote:

OFFENCES IN RELATION TO COMPETITION

Conspiracy

45. (1) Every one who conspires, combines, agrees or arranges with another person

(a) to limit unduly the facilities for transporting, producing, manufacturing, supplying,
storing or dealing in any product,

(b) to prevent, limit or lessen, unduly, the manufacture or production of a product
or to enhance unreasonably the price thereof,

(c) to prevent or lessen, unduly, competition in the production, manufacture, purchase,
barter, sale, storage, rental, transportation or supply of a product, or in the price
of insurance on persons or property, or

(d) to otherwise restrain or injure competition unduly,

is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding
five years or to a fine not exceeding ten million dollars or to both.

If your sales transaction is taking place in the US, would the Cdn Competition Act apply? I would think that a US "consumer" type law would apply, but possibly not to foreigners. Maybe preventing price competition that affects foreigners is not a big deal in the US. ??

[Lost Horizon]

If your sales transaction is taking place in the US, would the Cdn Competition Act apply? I would think that a US "consumer" type law would apply, but possibly not to foreigners. Maybe preventing price competition that affects foreigners is not a big deal in the US. ??

From the point of view for the purchase, I was surprised to know that I am protected by the WA US "Lemon Law" because the car was purchased in WA.. bonus! So I get better consumer protection than is possible in Corporate run Canada, the place where I vote for such....

[ian46]

Bincent:

Re-read your point about "competition"
in b/c of the act:

Remember that Manufacturer "ABC" is
different than Dealer "ABC". (same brand)

Each dealer is in competition with other
dealers of the same brand as well as those
of other brands.

The Manufacturer gives out MSRP as a
suggested price while the fine print always
states "dealer may sell for less"

For the Manufacturer to do otherwise would
be limiting competition since it can't dictate
pricing to another company - BIG NOTE:
The Dealer owns the car I buy from any dealer.
Dealers BUY their new cars from manufacturers.
The title of ownership passes from Manufacturer
to Dealer first, then to Customer.

Thus it logically follows that Manufacturers can't
dictate what I do with my car after I buy it from
the dealer. I could drive it , burn it, or export it
it does not matter to them !


As for next week's meeting - the best solution for
all would be for the car companies to voluntarily
lower (but not eliminate) the price gap without
further fuss. No Canadian jobs will be lost or at
risk - the change involves corporate pricing not
manufacturing costing - two completely different
numbers. All corporate profit effects are sent
outside of Canada !

Yes, a few years ago the "shoe was on the other
foot" - US buyers were locked out of buying
cheaper Cdn cars ! In fact a class action lawsuit
is now ongoing in the USA on this very matter.
(Their Sherman ACT = our Competition Act )


What can the average Joe do ?

1)Boycott offending Manufacturers !
2) Call your MP and complain long and hard
and demand action !

Why settle for a 1% sales tax cut when consumer
items in Canada cost 20%- 30% more
than they should !

As always, my personal opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of any group,
company, etc. You should do your own research first before coming
to your own opinions and conclusions.

[dumbass]

It's because of dismal sales of the station wagon configuration due to Americans' love for SUVs (size) and disdain for the station wagon led to Subaru discontinuing the wagon in the US. But for Canada, Canadians lean more towards European-style functionality. This can be proven with iterations from Volvo, BMW, Mercedes, Saab, Audi, etc.

Look at the Outback. It has some configurations that are close to the Legacy Wagon.

[CheapScotsman]

As mentioned earlier ... For those who can't get a US dealership (like Toyota, Honda, BMW or SkiDoo) to sell to them ... you could always try a complaint with the Federal Trade Commission (the group in the US tasked with advocating for consumers). The complaint webform is here:
https://rn.ftc.gov/pls/dod/wsolcq$.startup?Z_ORG_CODE=PU01

[ian46]

If your sales transaction is taking place in the US, would the Cdn Competition Act apply? I would think that a US "consumer" type law would apply, but possibly not to foreigners. Maybe preventing price competition that affects foreigners is not a big deal in the US. ??

Not honoring a MANUACTURERS' WARRANTY
in Canada on a US car would apply !

( Note: Various DEALER perks like free oil
changes may not transfer across the border,
but a Manufacturer Warranty ? Come on folks ! )

A Canadian Dealer not being able to sell to
our American FRIENDS also applies !
(This happened a few short years ago ! )

Listen Folks: The allegations are much worse -
The US lawsuit has documents showing the
various dealers of different BRANDS got together
via their dealer associations and worked out
how they were going to "manage this cross border
situation" . Were they managing their "territories"
or PRICE FIXING ?

How can you as an individual help ?
1) Boycott offending companies and
2) Call you MP to complain !

As always, my personal opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of any group,
company, etc. You should do your own research first before coming
to your own opinions and conclusions.

[JWL]

The Manufacturer gives out MSRP as a suggested price while the fine print always states "dealer may sell for less"

For the Manufacturer to do otherwise would be limiting competition since it can't dictate pricing to another company - BIG NOTE: The Dealer owns the car I buy from any dealer. Dealers BUY their new cars from manufacturers.
The title of ownership passes from Manufacturer to Dealer first, then to Customer.

Thus it logically follows that Manufacturers can't dictate what I do with my car after I buy it from the dealer. I could drive it , burn it, or export it it does not matter to them !


You have to keep in mind that the Manufacturers DO determine the wholesale price that they sell to the dealers. Sure a dealer can "sell for less" but he won't want to sell for less than he buys them for.

In the end I agree with you that the only way manufacturers will change is if we continue to buy in the US.

[Lost Horizon]

You have to keep in mind that the Manufacturers DO determine the wholesale price that they sell to the dealers. Sure a dealer can "sell for less" but he won't want to sell for less than he buys them for.

In the end I agree with you that the only way manufacturers will change is if we continue to buy in the US.

Bocott will work, for certain.. The problem is at the Distributor level (with maybe some collusion with the Manufacturer).. They are separate companies in each country.. they are the ones getting the rake off, the man in the middle... The problem is, the Canadian Distributors have happily raised prices instantly when the dollar was dropping, but, like gas companies (or worse) didn't follow that profile down the other way. Now they have a big problem. In absolute terms, the manufacturer just wants to move units... anywhere... unfortunately, the snotty nosed kids they signed up with in Canada to be their arms and legs have been greedy little buggers in the good times and are now crying mommy and throwing a tantrum to the parents to come and get them out of trouble ..

[diigii]

From the point of view for the purchase, I was surprised to know that I am protected by the WA US "Lemon Law" because the car was purchased in WA.. bonus! So I get better consumer protection than is possible in Corporate run Canada, the place where I vote for such....

Mine too. Maryland has a Lemon Law so mine is covered.

[Trexim]

Mine too. Maryland has a Lemon Law so mine is covered.

Same for NY, I believe: http://www.oag.state.ny.us/consumer/cars/newcarlemon.html

[whampoa]

That depends on where you buy the car from. If you're buying a Subaru from Karl at VB, they don't require any down payment or deposit. I basically showed up with a bank draft the day I picked up my car.

But if you really need to wire the money, buying from another dealer, that usually entails getting certain bank account information from the dealer, and going to a local bank here and giving them the details for the wire. Others that have actually done this can probably give you more details.

Same here, that's my first time a dealer not asking for a deposit, and only a bank draft for the day of pick up.

That show confident and integrity folks!

[teep]

That depends on where you buy the car from. If you're buying a Subaru from Karl at VB, they don't require any down payment or deposit. I basically showed up with a bank draft the day I picked up my car.

But if you really need to wire the money, buying from another dealer, that usually entails getting certain bank account information from the dealer, and going to a local bank here and giving them the details for the wire. Others that have actually done this can probably give you more details.

Well done those dealers that will work on trust. (Maybe they can check your professional website if you have one).

But if you have to wire the money, some US dealers wont give you their bank info. You have ask your bank to phone them to get their secret bank numbers. I had no problems doing this at my Royal Bank branch - they could not have been more helpful. Took 10 minutes. (Any US dealers on this thread might like to note that in Canada you have by law to be given a copy of this transaction, so the secret numbers are not.)

[teep]

Went to BMW this morning. I was told there was a $5500 money back credit on 07 X5s $7500 on remaining M5s. That's for purchase, only. Only models like 760 would get $25k cash back. Credit on 08 models will be much less. Also there would be special lease and financing rates (big deal).

This is total nonsense. Forget it BMW! You wont get me buying unless we see something close to US prices.

[Duffydog]

Man trying to buy a Hyndai Sonata or Azera (2007) is tough. Spoke to dealer said has sold almost a hundred into Canada in the last 2 months. Priced them out the Azera is about 10K cheaper and the Sonata about 6K..

[hotgo]

Look at the Outback. It has some configurations that are close to the Legacy Wagon.

Thanks.

For the Outback, can everything except for the spedometer be changed to metric? Temperatures, Odometer, Trip computer, etc.

Thanks a lot...

[teep]

I ended up with the Subaru, thinking it was just the least hassle. I had never even been in one until the dealer in Bellingham handed me the keys in the *blinding* rain, knowing I had to make the 13:00 ferry back to Victoria. There was a lot of truck traffic on I-5, serious standing water in the tracks, and the Legacy just stuck like glue on a dry sock. I would have travelled slower in my BMW, even with it's dynamic stability control. By the time I arrived home, my reasoning had gone from the path of least resistance to the greatest car out there for the money.

So, in a way, thank you Honda, thank you Toyota. Generous of you to have me take that second thought and look around after of a lifetime of sheep-like buying. :D

Agreed. Great cars; under appreciated. We have had two Outbacks now. The 1st one lasted ten years with no problems (and sold for $10k!). The new one is very smooth and has all the goodies. Hope you enjoy it - wait for the snow!

[chene]

Just came back from a visit to the Nissan dealer in Kingston Ontario. First, they don't even carry the Altima Hybrid, citing the lack of the local interests and that they won't have the car in a foreseeable future. Even if I buy an Altima Hybrid from say, Toronto or Ottawa, they won't service it as they won't have the parts.

Which is too bad, I had my mind set on a hybrid (Camery or Altima) already.

When I questioned them about honoring warranty on US-bought new cars, they said they won't 'cus the warranty would be voided.

So all the big-3 Japanese manufacturers (Toyota/Honday/Nissan) are out of the question for me. I'll be looking into Subaru now.

[teep]

Thanks.
For the Outback, can everything except for the spedometer be changed to metric? Temperatures, Odometer, Trip computer, etc.
Thanks a lot...

The short answer is no. If you have the NAV option, you can set distances on the NAv only to come up in km, but the odometer remains firmly in miles and the temperature in F.

There is probably a way though - there are several neat Subie owners discussion forums (?fora). Ive seen a European advert on the web offering to re-flash the EPROM code to do this kind of thing. Here, I havent seen that for Subaru, but you can guess that is all that Subaru Canada have done to the cars they import from the US factory. The original Jap EPROM very likely has a simple option to set the whole car to any local country setting (EU, US, AUS, CAN etc.) But you have really know what you are doing to do this though, as it could cause a disaster.

It strikes me that someone in the US Subaru plant could likely make a few bucks selling this info so that your local car tweaker garage could do it ...

[chene]

Am I missing something, but are there no Legacy wagons available in the US? The subaru.com site seems to only have the sedans...

For 2008 models, Legacy is sedan only and Outback is wagons only. See http://www.cars101.com/outback.html for more detail.

[teep]

They provided the detailed transaction routing to me for their account. TD charged $50 US to do it, and I think their end sucked up another $10US. .

Congrats on importing your new aar, hope you enjoy it and feel very comfortable with the huge saving! Every time my wife gets into the thing she mentions it with a grin, and we have told many many friends about it and about this helpful RFD thread!

On the bank, readers might like to consider the Royal Bank. They charged me $30 flat to wire the money and do all the phone calls, stamp the receipt etc.

And in fact we slightly overpaid the dealer (for the US driving permit?) and wife was just delighted to get a $15.00 cheque back from them!

[ertman]

There is probably a way though - there are several neat Subie owners discussion forums (?fora). Ive seen a European advert on the web offering to re-flash the EPROM code to do this kind of thing. Here, I havent seen that for Subaru, but you can guess that is all that Subaru Canada have done to the cars they import from the US factory. The original Jap EPROM very likely has a simple option to set the whole car to any local country setting (EU, US, AUS, CAN etc.) But you have really know what you are doing to do this though, as it could cause a disaster.

Mr. Speedometer will do the conversion for about $300.

http://www.mrspeedometer.com/servlet/Detail?no=455

There are other places that will do it too. It takes some skill and an EEPROM writer. I think it's silly that you can't just switch it yourself through a dashboard control of some sort (like you can do with just about all GM cars.)

[f00kie]

Agreed. Great cars; under appreciated. We have had two Outbacks now. The 1st one lasted ten years with no problems (and sold for $10k!). The new one is very smooth and has all the goodies. Hope you enjoy it - wait for the snow!

A 10 year old car sold for 10k? No way!

[michelb]

Mr. Speedometer will do the conversion for about $300.

http://www.mrspeedometer.com/servlet/Detail?no=455

There are other places that will do it too. It takes some skill and an EEPROM writer. I think it's silly that you can't just switch it yourself through a dashboard control of some sort (like you can do with just about all GM cars.)

Before you make any changes that affect the odometer, make sure you double check with the manufacturer as there are conflicting reports that this will void the warranty

[michelb]

A 10 year old car sold for 10k? No way!

Guess it depends on the shape / mileage / market but a 10 yr old (98) Outback Limited has a RedBookValue of $6-$7k.

[reddy54]

Can anybody tell us the recipe in how to import a car from a private sale?
I got few opinions but not through the end. Anybody did this before?

It's Ok for now for at least 1 type of brand to buy new directly from dealer (I'm not saying who to avoid blocking them in the future) but what is if someone wants other new car manufactures and he has an extra help over the border.

Let's have an example:

Friends in Buffalo are ( the nicest case :))
1) You'll go there and choose the car model and seal the deal of a new car
2) Pay the car but you put in your friend/relative name. so he becames the owner. you have everything in his name. What/Who can stop him to sell you the car? The car now is "used" you'll be the second owner....I'll say totally legal
3) In this moment they will have to pay the state tax , why we're not clever and let the dealer pay these tax let's called this is the part of the deal.
4) Perfect case you'll be paying same money as you import the care and they will waive the state with the motive you're exporting the car
till here is clear....
5) Recall letter you'll need anyway
6) the letter to US customs you'll get it from DMV? here is the part I don't get it
7) can your friend send the fax or just DMV (in this case considered dealer)
8) rest of the fees GST +RIV +PST paid+AC tax
9) Emission $35 e-safety will pass without problems )it's a brand new car after all)
10 Safety is another $75 bucs ....but other tax I don't thing will be added to the final bill

Can anybody complete with true informations what I'm assuming here?
I will say this will help others, who want "special" cars and sure they have a little help for the State buddies :))

Thanks
Since your friend will be the registered owner you will have to wait about 3 weeks for certificate of title to arrive before you can import car

[diigii]

Just came back from a visit to the Nissan dealer in Kingston Ontario. First, they don't even carry the Altima Hybrid, citing the lack of the local interests and that they won't have the car in a foreseeable future. Even if I buy an Altima Hybrid from say, Toronto or Ottawa, they won't service it as they won't have the parts.

Which is too bad, I had my mind set on a hybrid (Camery or Altima) already.

When I questioned them about honoring warranty on US-bought new cars, they said they won't 'cus the warranty would be voided.

So all the big-3 Japanese manufacturers (Toyota/Honday/Nissan) are out of the question for me. I'll be looking into Subaru now.

Last time I checked the Altima Hybrid, it's selling for about US$23,442 invoice in the US. Here in Canada, $34K. I'm just not sure though if local GTA dealers, including mine, will honor the hybrid's warranty.

[hotgo]

Before you make any changes that affect the odometer, make sure you double check with the manufacturer as there are conflicting reports that this will void the warranty

So is everyone that is purchasing a Subaru from the US just leaving everything in miles/Fahrenheit?

[diigii]

So is everyone that is purchasing a Subaru from the US just leaving everything in miles/Fahrenheit?

I guess so. What is important is the speedometer has the km/h scale on it. The odometer reading can always be converted to kms by multiplying 1.6. no need to spend hundreds of dollars.

[hotgo]

I guess so. What is important is the speedometer has the km/h scale on it. The odometer reading can always be converted to kms by multiplying 1.6. no need to spend hundreds of dollars.

I agree with the not spending money on a new cluster, but I know that for other manufacturers (Audi for example) it's a simple setting that can be done quite easily (and free) to change everything except for the spedometer (as it's not digital) from imperial to metric.

I was hoping that this could be done with Subaru as well.

[Duffydog]

diggi is the warranty valid here. I am also looking at the same car..

[huskylord]

I'm sorry if this has been addressed before, but are certain states preferable to purchase cars from? (etc, lower or no state taxes, less duties, etc). And can a Canadian avoid paying state taxes by having an out-of-transfer purchase made from one state into another (such as buying in N.Y but having a car transferred to Michigan). Sorry if I'm way too vague here.

As a resident of southern ontario, would my best bets be simply to deal with upstate New York/Michigan dealers (that is if I'm already considering a Subaru).

Thanks in advance for your responses.

Cheers

[MasterXan]

anyone figured out the Nissan warranty issue?

this is what the APA says about Nissan's warranty:

Nissan vehicles must first be registered in U.S. for coverage to apply. If the car moves to Canada after it is six months old the warranty will be valid. However, if a U.S. market car is brought to Canada and sold before the car is six months old, the warranty will be void.

would getting a "used" Nissan go around this issue?

[diigii]

diggi is the warranty valid here. I am also looking at the same car..

I can claim for my 2007 car that the warranty is valid here in Canada. I have two GTA-area dealerships okay with doing US warranty work since I talked to them. And I have proven it is actually honored since one of them did warranty work on re-balancing the wheels/tires 3 weeks ago at no charge. I won't divulge these 2 dealerships that confirmed but you can find out by asking the closest Nissan dealership near you discreetly.

I don't know about the 2008's. It was posted a few pages back (last week) that the 2008s' warranty is not valid.

[Bincent]

So is everyone that is purchasing a Subaru from the US just leaving everything in miles/Fahrenheit?

I'm really looking at the Tribeca and if it's at all possible to change to metric, I'd be all over it. I thought Karl mentioned somewhere that it's not possible though

[Hesh1]

A question for anyone who came through Alexandria Bay (1000 Islands) crossing. Is there any special instructions that I need to attach to my courier package containing my original title and bill of sale? Anything else I am missing that they would require?

Thanks!

[bmm34]

If you are paying by wire transfer, how do you know you are wiring it to the correct bank account? I have never done one before, and before I wired 30K to a US account, I would want to ensure it wasn't to the salesman's!

Thanks,

Brad

[yyz2hkg]

So is everyone that is purchasing a Subaru from the US just leaving everything in miles/Fahrenheit?

I did...not that much of a difference, sort of gotten used to it now. I mean...you look down at your cluster, you just tune yourself to look at the km/hr even though mph is more dominant. As for the Fahrenheit, all I know 32 degrees Fahrenheit is 0...haha.

[Lost Horizon]

If you are paying by wire transfer, how do you know you are wiring it to the correct bank account? I have never done one before, and before I wired 30K to a US account, I would want to ensure it wasn't to the salesman's!

Thanks,

Brad

A wise move... you can check that the name is the dealership's, there is a corresponding account/authorization that your bank will do. It all has to line up.. double check by calling the financial dept for the dealership, independent of the salesman..

[longdong]

Check Subaru Canada, amazing ... the below info. is from SUBARU Canada. So Subaru really wants to take market share in Canada from other dealers such: Toyota, Honda, Volvo, Chrysler etc .. we want to buy from US we will buy from US no matter what ... no one from my knowledge, if we really want to buy from US, we will buy from US. If not a toyota, a honda ... , if they didn't want us to buy them so we will buy SUBARU ... it's official .. and looks like Subaru Canada supports the initiative from Subaru America by posting proper information from their website.



www.subaru.ca

Is the U. S. A. warranty valid in Canada?
The following applies to 2008 model year Subaru vehicles and newer.
Subaru of America's Limited Warranty specifically states, "Any and all repairs must be performed by an authorized Subaru Dealer in the United States." Therefore, Canadian residents who purchase a Subaru in the U.S., then registers the vehicle in Canada, will have two viable options for obtaining warranty repairs:

1. Return the car to the U.S. for all warranty repairs at an authorized Subaru dealer at no charge: or,

2. Have the car repaired at an authorized Canadian Subaru dealer, pay for the repairs, then submit a copy of the Repair Order marked Paid for reimbursement to SOA through the CDS department at:

Subaru of America, Inc.
Subaru Plaza
P.O. Box 6000
Cherry Hill, New Jersey 08034-6000
Attn: CDS Department

"Can I purchase a Subaru vehicle from the U. S. A. and import it into Canada?
All new vehicle's sold to a Canadian resident by a Subaru dealer in the United States can be imported into Canada subject to any modification that may be required to bring the vehicle to Canadian safety and emissions standards. Contact the National Registrar for Imported Vehicles (1-888-848-8240) for more detail. Contact Subaru of America to obtain warranty information and the letter of compliance (1-800-782-2783)."

[Shaun091382]

Its almost been 1 month since I've purchased my truck via private sale...and the paperwork is coming like syrup...definitely never again privately. I can't get through to lewiston to talk to someone in person and they will NOT return my request for info required in advance or at arrival. I am starting to get somewhat frustraed with this process.

My vehicle had a lien on it but it is gone and the lien release letter I have...I have no response on whether the lien release letter is needed 72hrs ahead or I can just show at arrival it would be extremely frustrating to arrive and not know.

Does anyone know of anywhere my seller can drop off my truck around the niagara/lewiston area like a impound lot or other area of storage for a fee?

I wish maybe I would have considered a broker they would have been faster on the other hand $1000+ plus to move the vehicle 2 km across the border just isnt worth it.

[WalterQ]

What is the best way to pay, taking into account exchange rates, fees, etc?

I currently have Bank Nova Scotia, ING, & PC Financial.

Thks WQ

[Ebola]

A question for anyone who came through Alexandria Bay (1000 Islands) crossing. Is there any special instructions that I need to attach to my courier package containing my original title and bill of sale? Anything else I am missing that they would require?

Thanks!


Heheh .. maybe I'll see you in person when you come across to the CBSA lines..:twisted:

[WalterQ]

What is the best way to pay, taking into account exchange rates, fees, etc?

I currently have Bank Nova Scotia, ING, & PC Financial.

Thks WQ

[jnmontario]

A question for anyone who came through Alexandria Bay (1000 Islands) crossing. Is there any special instructions that I need to attach to my courier package containing my original title and bill of sale? Anything else I am missing that they would require?

Thanks!

I've brought a vehicle through there before. Easy as pie. Just call them to ensure that they received the package.

Location Address: 46735 Interstate Route 81
Alexandria Bay, NY 13607
Mailing Address: Same As Above
General Phone: (315) 482-2472
Operational Hours: Twenty Four (24) Hours A Day
Seven Days A Week (7)
Description: A Service Port is a CBP location that has a full range of cargo processing functions, including inspections, entry, collections, and verification (19 CFR 101.1).

Contact Information: Vehicle Exports, 0800-1600 hrs. Mon.-Fri., call 315-482-2261

[jnmontario]

Oh, BTW, there are definitely dealers (both cdn and american) for good or ill lurking through this thread as per an earlier discussion - this is not idle speculation.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I'm really looking at the Tribeca and if it's at all possible to change to metric, I'd be all over it. I thought Karl mentioned somewhere that it's not possible though

Not buying a car because it has imperial measurements is silly.

I grew up with both the metric and imperial system and we were taught both in school but....

Look at it this way, for the temperature pick any number on the dial, if you're hot, LOWER THE NUMBER. (Still with me?) now, if you're cold RAISE THE NUMBER. It might take some tweaking but I find "72" a magic number. Not too hot OR too cold.

Let's move on to the mileage display: When you see the number go up on the "Average Miles Per Gallon" display, this is good, it means you're saving gas. If it goes down, that's bad, you're wasting gas.

Here's another trick for those who are unfamiliar with the Imperial system: If the outside temperature display shows a certain number, try opening the window. If it's nice outside, try MATCHING the number on your internal temperature display. If not, repeat the steps I outlined above.

Lastly, "Miles to Empty" you can disregard this display. When the "gas pump" light illuminates on the dash, you should fill up again.

Now contrary to what anyone tells you: ANY American car WILL RUN on litres of gas even though the tank measures gallons.

There will be a test...

[J233]

What is the best way to pay, taking into account exchange rates, fees, etc?

I currently have Bank Nova Scotia, ING, & PC Financial.

Thks WQ

You may want to explore currency exchange firms. If you are familiar with a well established FX business they can save you some good $$ on exchange rate (less than the banks), especially with larger sums. They can do wire transfers too (in addition to money drafts, etc).

[dheath]

Not buying a car because it has imperial measurements is silly.

I grew up with both the metric and imperial system and we were taught both in school but....

Look at it this way, for the temperature pick any number on the dial, if you're hot, LOWER THE NUMBER. (Still with me?) now, if you're cold RAISE THE NUMBER. It might take some tweaking but I find "72" a magic number. Not too hot OR too cold.

Let's move on to the mileage display: When you see the number go up on the "Average Miles Per Gallon" display, this is good, it means you're saving gas. If it goes down, that's bad, you're wasting gas.

Here's another trick for those who are unfamiliar with the Imperial system: If the outside temperature display shows a certain number, try opening the window. If it's nice outside, try MATCHING the number on your internal temperature display. If not, repeat the steps I outlined above.

Lastly, "Miles to Empty" you can disregard this display. When the "gas pump" light illuminates on the dash, you should fill up again.

Now contrary to what anyone tells you: ANY American car WILL RUN on litres of gas even though the tank measures gallons.

There will be a test...

Well put. Now EVERYONE will want a car with imperial measures. Do any mfr's sell cars with currency converters?

[frankmp]

What is the best way to pay, taking into account exchange rates, fees, etc?

I currently have Bank Nova Scotia, ING, & PC Financial.

Thks WQ

For exchange rates use GLOBEX if they're in your part of the country. A fraction of the cost vs. any bank. IE banks usually charge 2-3% basis points on the exchange; Globex is like .5%. (thats like up to $750 on a $30K exchange). Plus their wire tranfser fee is $15 for any transaction amount (not like TD; wants to charge me $50).

http://www.globexfx.com/content.php?id=1

[jnmontario]

Well put. Now EVERYONE will want a car with imperial measures. Do any mfr's sell cars with currency converters?

Plus w/ imperial measures on the speedo, you might get away with playing dumb with a cop (I rehearsed that speech a thousand times when I was driving an american olds cutlas ciera w/ imperial dashboard - not that I got caught, but it was lurking as a possible explanation why I was speeding if I did).

[Hesh1]

I've brought a vehicle through there before. Easy as pie. Just call them to ensure that they received the package.

Location Address: 46735 Interstate Route 81
Alexandria Bay, NY 13607
Mailing Address: Same As Above
General Phone: (315) 482-2472
Operational Hours: Twenty Four (24) Hours A Day
Seven Days A Week (7)
Description: A Service Port is a CBP location that has a full range of cargo processing functions, including inspections, entry, collections, and verification (19 CFR 101.1).

Contact Information: Vehicle Exports, 0800-1600 hrs. Mon.-Fri., call 315-482-2261


Does someone by any chance have a map where I'm suppose to go into for the US customs?

Much appreciated.

[ggweci]

Now contrary to what anyone tells you: ANY American car WILL RUN on litres of gas even though the tank measures gallons.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Good one!

[CatchMoreFish]

Oct 18, 2007
22:00 Detroit US Custom office
22:30 Detroit Canada Custom office
Oct 19, 2007
3:00 Arrive at Toronto Home
10:00 At RIV Office (found lots of happy Canadian)
13:00 Canadian Tire inspection done (do they really check the car)
14:00 Got license plate
15:00-17:00 Sleeping happily - sound and loud.

I went over most of your posts on this thread. They gave me lots of helpful information. By doing this home work, I went through the whole process without any trouble. Following stuff is my experience of passing the Detroit US custom. The site is under construction, google and Microsoft's Live search website doesn't have the latest one. Live's one is more latest, I'd use this one.

I had Garmin GPS when I was driving on 75 to Ambassador bridge. There are two exits 47A and 47B. The GPS told me to exit 47B which I followed. It told me keep right and turn right. I missed it and went into the bridge toll booth. There is an entrance on the right of toll booth. A kindness stuff helped me backward and went into that entrance. If you miss that, make sure you tell the stuff you need to go to the cargo office, they will tell you. If you pass the toll booth, you will see a seperate gate on your right hand side which is right under the bridge. This gate is exactly the exit when you have done your paper work. I am not sure if it is one way only.

There is no road there, after 30 meters, you will see the road (lafayette blvd), turn left, follow the fence to a automatic gate seeing a one-way sign, turn left, then you will get to the two office building (A and B). Ask where you can park (besides A there are 4 mobile toilets). If you park the car at the back (which you shouldn't as I was told), there is a path between two building, the office (B) is the 2nd door on your right.

Get your paper work done, drive your car back to that 4 toilet booth, you will see a gate with sign "back to Canada" on your left. Wait there or line up with other cars. No sure there is always someone on duty at the gate. Maybe it was late last night, 5 cars was lining up until an officer open the gate. He/she will check your document and let you go through. Right at the bottom of the bridge, you will see the toll gate stuff and he will collect the fee. After that, turn a circle round and you are on the bridge to Canada.

If you drive on Fort street, you need to turn in 23rd, 22nd is blocked. Follow 23rd, you will see a tackle store on your right (not that sure it is a tackle store, and it says open). Looks like a haunted house. Do people fish there? I am very interested to know.

Look at the picture, the crossed place is not there anymore. Office B has a red star.

http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/7bd1020605.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

[toolman]

Oct 18, 2007
22:00 Detroit US Custom office
22:30 Detroit Canada Custom office
Oct 19, 2007
3:00 Arrive at Toronto Home
10:00 At RIV Office (found lots of happy Canadian)
13:00 Canadian Tire inspection done (do they really check the car)
14:00 Got license plate
15:00-17:00 Sleeping happily - sound and loud.

I went over most of your posts on this thread. They gave me lots of helpful information. By doing this home work, I went through the whole process without any trouble. Following stuff is my experience of passing the Detroit US custom. The site is under construction, google and Microsoft's Live search website doesn't have the latest one. Live's one is more latest, I'd use this one.

I had Garmin GPS when I was driving on 75 to Ambassador bridge. There are two exits 47A and 47B. The GPS told me to exit 47B which I followed. It told me keep right and turn right. I missed it and went into the bridge toll booth. There is an entrance on the right of toll booth. A kindness stuff helped me backward and went into that entrance. If you miss that, make sure you tell the stuff you need to go to the cargo office, they will tell you. If you pass the toll booth, you will see a seperate gate on your right hand side which is right under the bridge. This gate is exactly the exit when you have done your paper work. I am not sure if it is one way only.

There is no road there, after 30 meters, you will see the road (lafayette blvd), turn left, follow the fence to a automatic gate seeing a one-way sign, turn left, then you will get to the two office building (A and B). Ask where you can park (besides A there are 4 mobile toilets). If you park the car at the back (which you shouldn't as I was told), there is a path between two building, the office (B) is the 2nd door on your right.

Get your paper work done, drive your car back to that 4 toilet booth, you will see a gate with sign "back to Canada" on your left. Wait there or line up with other cars. No sure there is always someone on duty at the gate. Maybe it was late last night, 5 cars was lining up until an officer open the gate. He/she will check your document and let you go through. Right at the bottom of the bridge, you will see the toll gate stuff and he will collect the fee. After that, turn a circle round and you are on the bridge to Canada.

If you drive on Fort street, you need to turn in 23rd, 22nd is blocked. Follow 23rd, you will see a tackle store on your right (not that sure it is a tackle store, and it says open). Looks like a haunted house. Do people fish there? I am very interested to know.

Look at the picture, the crossed place is not there anymore. Office B has a red star.

http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/7bd1020605.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

Thank you for the update! I was looking for this info. Google is a bit behind in there sat pictures...

[southpaw4golf]

Its almost been 1 month since I've purchased my truck via private sale...and the paperwork is coming like syrup...definitely never again privately. I can't get through to lewiston to talk to someone in person and they will NOT return my request for info required in advance or at arrival. I am starting to get somewhat frustraed with this process.

My vehicle had a lien on it but it is gone and the lien release letter I have...I have no response on whether the lien release letter is needed 72hrs ahead or I can just show at arrival it would be extremely frustrating to arrive and not know.

Does anyone know of anywhere my seller can drop off my truck around the niagara/lewiston area like a impound lot or other area of storage for a fee?

I wish maybe I would have considered a broker they would have been faster on the other hand $1000+ plus to move the vehicle 2 km across the border just isnt worth it.

Do you have a copy of the original title?
I would think that this would be adequate proof for customs. The lienholder holds the title document until the lien has been satisfied then returns it to the vehicle owner.

[toolman]

Oh, BTW, there are definitely dealers (both cdn and american) for good or ill lurking through this thread as per an earlier discussion - this is not idle speculation.

Im sure the car manufacturers are monitoring this thread too..
That is the reason I will not reveal my dealer at this point. Hoping to bring my Sienna home in a week or so..

[toolman]

I'm really looking at the Tribeca and if it's at all possible to change to metric, I'd be all over it. I thought Karl mentioned somewhere that it's not possible though

Try Niagara Speedometer
speedo@autoexportcanada.com

A full conversion for a Toyota Sienna is about $ 200.00

[eastsidesubaru]

It's because of dismal sales of the station wagon configuration due to Americans' love for SUVs (size) and disdain for the station wagon led to Subaru discontinuing the wagon in the US. But for Canada, Canadians lean more towards European-style functionality. This can be proven with iterations from Volvo, BMW, Mercedes, Saab, Audi, etc.

Actually the outback wagon is probably Subaru's #1 performer so i don't think Americans hate station wagons that much. pretty sure it outsells every other model we have. The legacy wagon sold poorly, but then again, there never was very many of them available... for some reason we just can't get enough Legacies from SoA. However the biggest reason is the Outback cannibalized sales of the normal ol' legacy wagon, and Subaru decided consumers were too confused - "Legacy sedan, outback sedan? legacy wagon, outback wagon? they look the same" etc.. :lol: so they decided: ALL sedans are Legacies, all Outbacks are wagons, end of story. Apparantly canadians are smart enough to tell the difference between the Legacy Wagon and Outback Wagon :)

[CheapScotsman]

I’ve posted a thread in offtopic referencing a couple of news articles; one on retailer finally working to adjust pricing and another on Finance Minister Jim Flaherty taking on retailers … http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=504406

Since Finance Minister Jim Flaherty seems to want to take on the pricing differences; feel free to send him an email requesting he pummel the manufacturers on Canadian car prices. His email can be found here: http://www.fin.gc.ca/comment/commen_e.html

You can email the US Federal Trade commission to complain about US divisions not selling to Canadians. Their webpage is here: https://rn.ftc.gov/pls/dod/wsolcq$.startup?Z_ORG_CODE=PU01

[Shaun091382]

Do you have a copy of the original title?
I would think that this would be adequate proof for customs. The lienholder holds the title document until the lien has been satisfied then returns it to the vehicle owner.


Hi yes the owner had the title in his possession and has already sent me it. Id just hate to realize upon arrival they office also required the lien notice in advance and get turned away. The title on it says it has a lien but that is where the letter from the bank comes in handy. When I get to faxing the title down I'm sure they will notice where it says a lien is present so whether or not they also require proof in advance is still up in the air since I cannot reach anyone to find this out.

[mangoman]

Well it's a start but still not enough - BMW Canada will now offer $3000 in rebates to Cdn's who purchase 2007 models IF they purchase by cash or use non-BMW financing:

http://ctv2.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071020.r-bmw20/business/Business/businessBN/ctv-business

[Symcrapico]

Hey,

Ive been driving my 2008 Legacy 2.5GT for 2 weeks now and last wednesday, a 8" crack appeared in the windshield. I went to the winsheild repair shop, and the guy told me that the windshield was placed to tight in place. So I called SoA and the lady gently told me to go to a canadian Subaru dealer to get it fix and pay for the repair and then send the invoice to SoA.

So next tuesday, im going to my dealer to get my windshield replace "under waranty".

I'll keep you guys informed on how fast I get my money back from SoA.


In the mean time, Ive started looking for winter tires and ive realized that I cant just use regular wheels. They also need to have the TPMS. Anyone with the TPMS has changed his tires yet?

Cheers

Sympa

[dotcalamitie]

BMW can talk all they want...I had a 740, 745 and currently a 645 from them. I really enjoyed my Beemers. But their pricing practice leaves a nasty taste in my mouth and I may never give BMW Canada my business again. I'll buy in the USA. It is terrible that there are enough Canadian suckers out there giving BMW Canada sales a record high in September. Those people have all been ripped off. My BMW dealer is bringing in nearly new BMW's from the US by the tractor trailer load. You just have to preorder what you want from them. It was funny, I was sitting in the service room, and another 645 owner was sitting there with me and we started talking, he was a doctor and had got his from the USA from that dealer (the car was 9 months old). Although he only saved about 15% off the new price considering he got a used vehicle, the BMW dealer really stuck it to him. But he seemed happy.

[dotcalamitie]

rebates and financial incentives are designed to confuse the consumer and marketplace. the BMW deal offer is such a deal. anyway, I'm doing my part, I bought my 2008 Tribeca, will sell it for a profit and buy another US vehicle and sell that too.

[Lost Horizon]

BMW can talk all they want...I had a 740, 745 and currently a 645 from them. I really enjoyed my Beemers. But their pricing practice leaves a nasty taste in my mouth and I may never give BMW Canada my business again. I'll buy in the USA. It is terrible that there are enough Canadian suckers out there giving BMW Canada sales a record high in September. Those people have all been ripped off..

I am exactly with you .. three new bmw's in a row, 2 new 54x's, then the last one (335 turbo coupe) came without the performance external oil cooler, even tho the build sheet, the parts breakout for the VIN, etc, etc said it would have it (like the one they used to demo the car had.. same package). In the US BMWNA stepped up for those who were missing the performance cooler, but in Canada, BMW.ca basically said get lost... not only get lost, but if you pursue it, we will go after you bigtime. BMW Canada Customer service... on another planet.

[jadeboy]

I’ve posted a thread in offtopic referencing a couple of news articles; one on retailer finally working to adjust pricing and another on Finance Minister Jim Flaherty taking on retailers … http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=504406

Since Finance Minister Jim Flaherty seems to want to take on the pricing differences; feel free to send him an email requesting he pummel the manufacturers on Canadian car prices. His email can be found here: http://www.fin.gc.ca/comment/commen_e.html

You can email the US Federal Trade commission to complain about US divisions not selling to Canadians. Their webpage is here: https://rn.ftc.gov/pls/dod/wsolcq$.startup?Z_ORG_CODE=PU01


All these links are great.. but most people here don't have time to write a letter... maybe someone write a template for each site.. and all we have to put in is our personal information.

[warpdryv]

...
In the mean time, Ive started looking for winter tires and ive realized that I cant just use regular wheels. They also need to have the TPMS. Anyone with the TPMS has changed his tires yet?



check out tirerack.com - they're all set up to ship to canadians now, and can sell you alloy wheels with the tpms sensors and top quality snow tires for less than steelies & cheap tires from a local dealer. their checkout now handles shipping, duty, brokerage, gst, and pst. sweet.

[ChemicalBoy]

Hey,

Ive been driving my 2008 Legacy 2.5GT for 2 weeks now and last wednesday, a 8" crack appeared in the windshield. I went to the winsheild repair shop, and the guy told me that the windshield was placed to tight in place. So I called SoA and the lady gently told me to go to a canadian Subaru dealer to get it fix and pay for the repair and then send the invoice to SoA.

So next tuesday, im going to my dealer to get my windshield replace "under waranty".

I'll keep you guys informed on how fast I get my money back from SoA.


In the mean time, Ive started looking for winter tires and ive realized that I cant just use regular wheels. They also need to have the TPMS. Anyone with the TPMS has changed his tires yet?

Cheers

Sympa

I just changed my winter tires and you dont need TPMS, the only down side is the light will be on, on your dashboard. And when you put your TPMS tires back on, the light goes off as far as I know.

[Hesh1]

The US Customs website was updated for Alexandria Bay, I didn't see this new information yesterday. Perfect timing for myself!

http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/toolbox/contacts/ports/ny/0708.xml

Vehicle Exports, 0800-1600 hrs. Mon.-Fri. (excluding holidays), call 315-482-2261 x 295 Original documents are required at the port a minimum of 72 hours prior to export. Faxed or photocopied documents are not accepted. Directions to the vehicle export office: Take Rte. 81N to exit 52, left at stop sign, drive thru 2nd stop sign. Park in parking lot. Vehicle exports are processed in building marked Commerical Processing Center. Vehicle must be present at time of export. Please bring a copy of documents at time of export to facilitate processing. Original documents will be returned at time of export.

[Bincent]

Not buying a car because it has imperial measurements is silly.

I think that my comment was misunderstood..
I was implying that if there was a way to do the imperial to metric conversion for the vehicle, I'd be all over that. Whether or not it can be done has no impact on my decision to purchase the vehicle and the main reason for doing it would be for future resale value.

With that said though, it was a funny response "if" my intention was really the fact that I wouldn't buy a vehicle because of the imperial display on the speedometer and temperature. ;)

Try Niagara Speedometer
speedo@autoexportcanada.com

A full conversion for a Toyota Sienna is about $ 200.00

Thanks!

[Georgian]

A Canadian couple to fight US car dealership discrimination

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20071020/cdns_fight_071020/20071020?hub=TopStories

[Comatose]

What exactly does the Insurance Binder cover really cover? I was assuming it basically substitutes the same insurance you would have on a typically registered vehicle -- only in this case this was temporary for xx days.
From reading the threads however it still implies that you need either storage insurance (if parked at your place) or a temporary day permit if you want to drive the car out for inspection (which is where i get really confused, as I thought the binder would cover this?!)
Any info would be appreciated!


No one checked that either on the US or Canadian side of the border. But you would have to be pretty brave not to purchase that $80 'binder', especially if anything happened in the US. We took out $3 million liability. Then we took out a $60-for-2 weeks storage insurance while it was parked on our drive waiting for the recall-letter-RIV-form-2 procedures needed before inspection.

Our main problem on the insurance front was finding an insurance agent who knew what they were doing rather than trying to make it up on the spot. Even then we had to more or less force them to phone ICBC HQ to know what to do. (ICBC HQ were courteus, patient and helpful).

[lilmikey]

A Canadian couple to fight US car dealership discrimination

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20071020/cdns_fight_071020/20071020?hub=TopStories

Nice, hope they win their case. This would open the floodgates so no dealer can say no to Canadians.

[Lost Horizon]

What exactly does the Insurance Binder cover really cover? I was assuming it basically substitutes the same insurance you would have on a typically registered vehicle -- only in this case this was temporary for xx days.
From reading the threads however it still implies that you need either storage insurance (if parked at your place) or a temporary day permit if you want to drive the car out for inspection (which is where i get really confused, as I thought the binder would cover this?!)
Any info would be appreciated!

The Temporary Day permit part is the Licence Tag side of the story.. The binder is only Insurance.. When you brought the car over the line, you had a "temporary" WA licence tag, so that plus the binder had you legal.. but typically, the temp tag expires long before you get done at the Riv (er) :cheesygri

[ian46]

Quote from today's Toronto Star:

[The waiting game of U.S./Canada pricing

Mark Richardson

WHEELS EDITOR

Oct 20, 2007

It didn't take long this week, in a meeting with the Star's editorial board, for Ford of Canada's president to start talking about U.S. auto prices.

Bill Osborne said he gets letters every week from people wanting to know why we pay more for vehicles in Canada than south of the border – as does Wheels.

You'd better believe Osborne knows all about the issue: the Canadian government apparently estimates that some 160,000 vehicles will be imported this year alone from the U.S.

"There is the potential for prices to come down in Canada," he said. "One manufacturer making a significant move will trigger all the other manufacturers... If that happens, Ford will react, and will react instantly."

And none of them want to be the first to do so, because all it will do over the long term is cut everybody's profits across the board.

The facts are that now that the greenback is worth less than the loonie, vehicles are thousands of dollars cheaper in the United States than here.

In many cases, those cars and trucks were actually built here – Ontario is now the largest auto-producing jurisdiction in North America.

In the U.S., vehicle prices have been fairly stable over the last several years. There's no issue down there.

But the problem is that if Canadian prices are slashed to match them, the bottom will drop out of the used-vehicle market up here. Cars coming off a four-year lease could have a guaranteed residual value of not much less than the new, next-generation vehicle.

Not everyone is worried about existing owners losing the resale value of their current vehicles.

Harley-Davidson, for example , dropped its Canadian prices this week for the third time this year, this time by 5 per cent, to bring them more into line with American MSRPs.

But also this week, Bombardier copied the example of most auto manufacturers by stepping in to prohibit its U.S. dealers from selling to Canadians, who were saving more than $3,000 on every snowmobile and ATV.

Dealers are often penalized for making a cross-border sale, and Canadian consumers are penalized by many manufacturers refusing to honour warranties on cross-border cars.

So much for free trade.

The bigger the price tag, the bigger the price difference. Luxury makers are feeling the pressure a lot more than Ford.

Osborne said this week that his company's research shows that the average Canadian stands to save only $500 to $1,200 on the purchase of an American Ford, and that's after all the various duties are paid, modifications made to bumpers and speedometers, and the considerable paperwork hassles.

As well, Canadians do not qualify in the U.S. for low-interest financing; the best they can hope for is a bank loan at the regular rate.

This is the key, for as Osborne explained, "If you do not need financing and are able to take the cash out of your pocket (to pay for the vehicle), there is a much greater disparity. Most Canadians finance their cars. If they didn't, we'd probably be seeing 1.6 million (vehicles) imported."

Americans, of course, can benefit from American financing plans.

And so the manufacturers are sticking it out, nobody wanting to be the first to move in this most competitive of markets.

If, when and how far prices drop is anyone's guess – it all depends on who blinks first.]

(end quote)

It seems to me that all the Cdn Manufacturers
want to be SECOND to lower prices !

What they don't realize is that they are sitting on
a PUBLIC RELATIONS time bomb - the first company
to lower prices will actually enjoy a great PR victory
in the press and in customers minds !

I think his 1200$ savings is a bit suspect though.
If it were only 1200$ then there would be no
worries about the bottom dropping out of the used car
market !

As a good business man he should have been
adjusting his company's "buyback" value gradually
over the last TWO years as the Cdn dollar gradually
increased to parity as well as gradually lowering the
price of new cars ...

As always, my personal opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of any group,
company, etc. You should do your own research first before coming
to your own opinions and conclusions.

[hotgo]

Not buying a car because it has imperial measurements is silly.



I totally agree... but that doesn't mean that I wouldn't like to change it. I was hoping (and I still can't believe there's not simple software flag that just needs to be switched) that this would be possible for the 2008 Subaru Outback.

I'm trying to look in the Subaru forums as well, but I thought I'd ask here seeing that most of you buying Subarus from the US are probably going through the same thing.

[teep]

A 10 year old car sold for 10k? No way!

was only 85K km, a fair price as shown by plot of all Subies advertised in BC in Sept.
(oops sorry - bear with me while I learn how to put up an image here)

[LD500]

"There is the potential for prices to come down in Canada," he said. "One manufacturer making a significant move will trigger all the other manufacturers... If that happens, Ford will react, and will react instantly."

If Ford Canada's president is saying that then everyone buying a new car in Canada today at the non-adjusted prices is in for a big letdown.
There is no doubt a sudden drop of 20% in new car prices is going to severely impact lease buybacks and the used car market but what other outcome is possible if the CDN/US exchange rate holds or gets even more severe. Car manufacturers should have adjusted their prices many times leading to today but they didn't. Time to pay the price.

I'm looking to buy a new car now but believe I need to hold off as a smart consumer otherwise I'm caught both ways. My trade-in is probably already lowered in value somewhat by the car dealerships, worrying about an impending new car price drop, while I would be paying the high unadjusted price for the new car. Am I so desperate for a new car that I would risk buying under the worse conditions, and assuming this situation cannot linger on for much longer.

Unless you need a new car immediately, everyone should wait until all the manufacturers make their move. Each day the Canadian dollar could creep up further adding more and more pressure to them.

What an insane, but soon to be positive for buyers, situation we have in today's car market.

[teep]

I totally agree... but that doesn't mean that I wouldn't like to change it. I was hoping (and I still can't believe there's not simple software flag that just needs to be switched) that this would be possible for the 2008 Subaru Outback.

I'm trying to look in the Subaru forums as well, but I thought I'd ask here seeing that most of you buying Subarus from the US are probably going through the same thing.

Yep - if you find out how, help to us RFDers would appreciated.

The EPROM flash is not a simple thing though, as the overriding CAN setting will affect a number of linked changes, some of which you may not wish for. For example, think of your speedo - the amount the needle swings in a US spec model will be geared to the primary mph dial (with secondary km dial), whereas in the CAN flashed model, the swing will be geared to the primary km dial (secondary mph). So unless you also change the speedo dial (which probably means the whole binnacle unit), it may not show the right speed. This means that you would need to find JUST the part of software that deals with the odometer, which, according to the Subie forums, is not a small hack. :(

[r2r]

Hi,

I have a question that I don't think has been addressed so far and it concerns importing used cars.

I see a car that I want from US as a project car. The title, however, is irreperable. I know if the title is salvage, you can put it back on the road here after "strict safety testing/inspections". Moreover, I know also that irrepairable branded cars in Ontario can not be put on the road again. But what about when importing a car with an irreperable title, do the same rules apply or can it be put on the road after undergoing the same inspections as for a salvaged car?

Thanks

[jnmontario]

All these links are great.. but most people here don't have time to write a letter... maybe someone write a template for each site.. and all we have to put in is our personal information.

Use the email link (I had no luck with the webform) http://www.fin.gc.ca/comment/commen_e.html


Dear Minister Flaherty

I have read recently that you are aware, and concerned, about the discrepancy between pricing for vehicles in the US vs. Canada. Now that our dollar is essentially equal, the difference in price is brazenly apparent.

Canadian prices remain inflated which naturally leads many Canadians to want to purchase a vehicle in the US. After all, if you can save between $8,000 and $50,000 on a new vehicle why would you want to spend your hard-earned after-tax dollars here? On average, cars in the US are 30% cheaper (e.g. I looked into getting a Prius from the US and it is 38% cheaper than if I had bought it in Canada).

Rather than fix the problem by lowering the invoice price here in Canada, all of the automobile companies (with the exception of Subaru) are threatening their US dealers with the removal of their francise license should they sell to Canadians. This makes the car companies look quite complicit in collusion with their pricing.

I urge you to tackle the matter and keep our dollars here where they belong.

Thank you in advance.

Sincerely,
INSERT YOURNAME HERE

[jnmontario]

I saw this on Digg.com according to this (if I'm reading this right) Toyota owns Subaru?????

http://tides.ws/wp-content/uploads/images/WhoOwnsWho/Who%20Owns%20Who.jpg

[whampoa]

I saw this on Digg.com according to this (if I'm reading this right) Toyota owns Subaru?????

http://tides.ws/wp-content/uploads/images/WhoOwnsWho/Who%20Owns%20Who.jpg

And that's news to you?

At one time or another Fuji Heavy Industries Co. Ltd. parent company of Subaru is partially own by Nissan, GM and finally Toyota Motor Co.

That's why according to some US dealership. The financing arm of Subaru is Nissan.

And they might still use part from Nissan and Renault in the manufacturing process.

[LoDown]

The report speaks of CR reliability statistics in terms of % better or worse than the average car. Does anyone know what percentage " better than average" the Subaru Outback happens to be?


I say screw all the Toyota dealers for making the consumers jump through hoops to purchase a Toyota in the states. The latest news have it, Toyota's reliability have dropped from 1st to 5th and the Subaru have prevail with the 4th spot.

http://money.cnn.com/2007/10/16/autos/cr_reliability/index.htm?postversion=2007101613

That's why I got a 08 outback myself and very happy with the decision.
(Coming from a previous 1989 camry owner.:D )

[jadeboy]

Use the email link (I had no luck with the webform) http://www.fin.gc.ca/comment/commen_e.html


Dear Minister Flaherty

I have read recently that you are aware, and concerned, about the discrepancy between pricing for vehicles in the US vs. Canada. Now that our dollar is essentially equal, the difference in price is brazenly apparent.

Canadian prices remain inflated which naturally leads many Canadians to want to purchase a vehicle in the US. After all, if you can save between $8,000 and $50,000 on a new vehicle why would you want to spend your hard-earned after-tax dollars here? On average, cars in the US are 30% cheaper (e.g. I looked into getting a Prius from the US and it is 38% cheaper than if I had bought it in Canada).

Rather than fix the problem by lowering the invoice price here in Canada, all of the automobile companies (with the exception of Subaru) are threatening their US dealers with the removal of their francise license should they sell to Canadians. This makes the car companies look quite complicit in collusion with their pricing.

I urge you to tackle the matter and keep our dollars here where they belong.

Thank you in advance.

Sincerely,
INSERT YOURNAME HERE

Thanks, Done! I just change your Prius to a Lexus.

[joe friday]

If Ford Canada's president is saying that then everyone buying a new car in Canada today at the non-adjusted prices is in for a big letdown.
There is no doubt a sudden drop of 20% in new car prices is going to severely impact lease buybacks and the used car market but what other outcome is possible if the CDN/US exchange rate holds or gets even more severe. Car manufacturers should have adjusted their prices many times leading to today but they didn't. Time to pay the price.

I'm looking to buy a new car now but believe I need to hold off as a smart consumer otherwise I'm caught both ways. My trade-in is probably already lowered in value somewhat by the car dealerships, worrying about an impending new car price drop, while I would be paying the high unadjusted price for the new car. Am I so desperate for a new car that I would risk buying under the worse conditions, and assuming this situation cannot linger on for much longer.

Unless you need a new car immediately, everyone should wait until all the manufacturers make their move. Each day the Canadian dollar could creep up further adding more and more pressure to them.

What an insane, but soon to be positive for buyers, situation we have in today's car market.

I agree completely. And that's exactly what I am doing too, waiting to see what develops. Either the Canadian market starts to reflect fair pricing, or I'll be heading south too. I've never owned a Subaru but I'm sure becoming interested!

[Lost Horizon]

Dear Minister Flaherty

I have read recently that you are aware, and concerned, about the discrepancy between pricing for vehicles in the US vs. Canada. I can see by the news sound bites that this issue is causing you some concern, but for whatever reason, you seem unable to concurrently act at this time. I have no idea why that would be the case for someone in control of legislative power such as yourself. I am just a simple citizen who doesn’t fully understand the Corporate/Government linkage, other than to see the Senatorial names that occasionaly surface for this official or that who sit on the various boards of Corporations doing the business on the voting citizenry. I suppose they are there to look after our interests from the inside out.

For my part, I have just completed the purchase of a new 2008 Subaru from the USA for $24,011.00 (US), and saved $14,560.00 (CDN) verses a comparatively priced and optioned car in Canada. To a regular citizen like myself (who works for you totally until July to hit Tax Free day), it’s a big deal, as I’m sure you appreciate, based on the empathy I see in your eyes as the camera’s roll.

You might be interested to know, as an unsolicited bonus in taking that short drive across the line, the State of Washington really has my interest at heart, and have generously included ME (!)under their very effective Lemon Law for consumer protection, just as any other citizen of WA, something we don’t have in Canada. On top of that, I have the full reimbursable warranty honored by Subaru of America. The good news is that they are happy to have me get my US Exported vehicle serviced at a Canadian Dealer of my choice, so there is at least some jobs preserved in the shop side for Canadians. Bonus!

Now, I don’t know why little Subaru stepped up to the plate as the clear leader in this mess, while the so called Big Manufacturers are still giving you such a hard time. I’m not sure if you had a talk with Subaru, but however it came about, that arrangement gets my unfettered vote. Apparently a lot of other Canadians feel the same way, as many of us discussed at the crossing. On some days, the Customs agents told me there is a 4 hour lineup for Canadians to Import their vehicles. I can tell you that those four hours are actually quite enjoyable in the waiting area, as you get to mill about with many other Canadians, share stories, and make new friends, and talk Canadian Politics with like minded individuals.

Based on the trickle that started as a murmur for the early adopters, it is apparent that there is a groundswell making it’s way to the mainstream consciousness. You can feel it at the border. Just talk to the front line agents who are there witnessing it with the rest of us. If I may offer a fast track suggestion to help you get this behind you in a hurry, I have an idea that will get results in months, verses those messy expensive hearings and lobby arm twisting things you folks do down there in Ottawa when the jack lighting season starts. Here’s the outline:

Making best use of the internet, simply mail this schedule to two of your friends, and they to two others, etc. In no time at all we will have complete coverage (pun intended), and can force these uncooperative Corps to belly up to the round table.

NO BUY BLACKOUT SCHEDULE – CANADA

Dear Canadian Consumer:
You have that new car in mind, but the Canadian Price is out of sight, here’s how to rationalize the Company and your better deal in a Gandhi sort of way:

Simply mail this schedule to two friends, and have them do the same, so as to get the word out in a hurry. For your part, just hold off on your purchase during the scheduled blackout month. At the end of the Blackout month, it is highly likely that you will get a much better reception at the dealer of your choice. And you will have done yourself (and your friends) a great favor, as well as helping our National Leader, Minister Flaherty.

Here’s the first “No Buy” list schedule:

NOVEMBER 01 to NOV 30 – TOYOTA
DECEMBER 01 to DEC 31 – HONDA
JAN 01 to JAN 31 – GENERAL MOTORS
FEB 01 to FEB 29 – CHRYSLER
MAR 01 to MAR 31 – NISSAN
APR 01 to APR 30 - BMW
MAY 01 to MAY 31 - MERCEDES

By the time we get well into the list, the Companies may well have seen the error of their ways in this internet instant message to the flock at large age, and your concerns may well be resolved. At that point, we, the people, will be happy to let you take the credit in time for the election. You can take our word on that.

Now that sounds like a great plan, eh?

Sincerely,
INSERT YOURNAME HERE

[wally_walrus]

I've read almost all 5000+ postings in this thread and I think it's an amazing way to educate ourselves and become aware of the gouging that's currently happening in Canada. I agree with previous posters that we should not expect miraculous results from finance minister next week's meeting with the retailers. The ONLY way to help align the prices is by putting pressure on the manufacturers / importes. I think right now the weakest link is Subaru Canada, and here is why:

- they don't have any manufacturing facility in Canada, so can't claim "higher cost of doing business up here"
- because of the above they can't even pressure SoA too much into restricting Canadians to import
- the savings are higher on Subarus than other cars

Here's the idea: everybody considering (even if not in the near future) to buy a new car, to write to Subaru Canada and ask why their prices are so much higher, and if there is anything they can do to align them to prices in the US. In case this won't happen let them know you'll buy your car in the US, and advice people you know do the same. I think if enough people do this they'll eventually give up. This is the crack in the system we're all expecting, I am sure if this happens all manufacturers will follow.

What you all guys think?

[WantaCar]

I thought this was amusing.

In order to get a Canadian safety certificate for your new purchase, you'll need to ensure it has daytime running lights and a kilometre display on the speedometer. Neither is available on U.S.-made vehicles.

-- Source: CarCostCanada and Volvo Winnipeg

The full article is at

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/subscriber/business/local/story/4061553p-4665052c.html

[Lost Horizon]

I've read almost all 5000+ postings in this thread and I think it's an amazing way to educate ourselves and become aware of the gouging that's currently happening in Canada. I agree with previous posters that we should not expect miraculous results from finance minister next week's meeting with the retailers. The ONLY way to help align the prices is by putting pressure on the manufacturers / importes. I think right now the weakest link is Subaru Canada, and here is why:

- they don't have any manufacturing facility in Canada, so can't claim "higher cost of doing business up here"
- because of the above they can't even pressure SoA too much into restricting Canadians to import
- the savings are higher on Subarus than other cars

Here's the idea: everybody considering (even if not in the near future) to buy a new car, to write to Subaru Canada and ask why their prices are so much higher, and if there is anything they can do to align them to prices in the US. In case this won't happen let them know you'll buy your car in the US, and advice people you know do the same. I think if enough people do this they'll eventually give up. This is the crack in the system we're all expecting, I am sure if this happens all manufacturers will follow.

What you all guys think?

I like the targetted rolling blackout strategy.. I think the Subaru (the corp) is sacrificing the Canadian Distributorship as we speak, and have allowed the US Distributor to do what they are actually doing to put the pressure on Subaru Canada. My local dealer (whom I've made peace with for my US Purchase) pays about $9,000 more for the same vehicle than the US Distributor. The local dealer is in constant dialog with Subaru Canada, who seem to be running in circles with the pressure. Personally, I'm glad I bought in the US just for the Lemon Law Protection peace of mind. Miles ahead of Canada.

You have to crack one of the big ones. The Subaru (Corp) approach must be working for them as half the new units crossing are Subaru. They have to be getting good market share out of this. I would rather have Honda or Toyota (Canada) sit up and be forced to take notice, but that's just my personal take on things.

[Lost Horizon]

I thought this was amusing.

In order to get a Canadian safety certificate for your new purchase, you'll need to ensure it has daytime running lights and a kilometre display on the speedometer. Neither is available on U.S.-made vehicles.

-- Source: CarCostCanada and Volvo Winnipeg

The full article is at

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/subscriber/business/local/story/4061553p-4665052c.html

Ah... the ministry of confusion is gearing up.. And the typical wooden headed reporter sucks it up and spits it out, spinning the story for the Man.

It's good to see that kind of fear mongering popping up.. means "they" are running a bit scared, I'd say.. The speedometer is a non issue.. CT will actually give you free stickers to conform if you only have MPH.. they make it a big deal? lol.

[wally_walrus]

I like the targetted rolling blackout strategy.. I think the Subaru (the corp) is sacrificing the Canadian Distributorship as we speak, and have allowed the US Distributor to do what they are actually doing to put the pressure on Subaru Canada. My local dealer (whom I've made peace with for my US Purchase) pays about $9,000 more for the same vehicle than the US Distributor. The local dealer is in constant dialog with Subaru Canada, who seem to be running in circles with the pressure. Personally, I'm glad I bought in the US just for the Lemon Law Protection peace of mind. Miles ahead of Canada.

You have to crack one of the big ones. The Subaru (Corp) approach must be working for them as half the new units crossing are Subaru. They have to be getting good market share out of this. I would rather have Honda or Toyota (Canada) sit up and be forced to take notice, but that's just my personal take on things.


Agree about having to crack one of the big ones first, but since we can't cause a big crack in one hit, let's try a small one and keep hitting. They have deep pockets and won't crack easily. Having Subaru Canada align prices will put much higher pressure than we can.

[whampoa]

I thought this was amusing.

In order to get a Canadian safety certificate for your new purchase, you'll need to ensure it has daytime running lights and a kilometre display on the speedometer. Neither is available on U.S.-made vehicles.

-- Source: CarCostCanada and Volvo Winnipeg

The full article is at

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/subscriber/business/local/story/4061553p-4665052c.html

Are you sure about that?

Is that why you're being stop in the Expressway every time you drive pass 100?

I guess that little digit 160 at the bottom don't mean much! ;)

[HSK]

Are you sure about that?

It aint amusing. It's true, you have to have a km display.

But then...all American cars have a km display. Right under the miles ;).

[trenton1776]

Does anyone know the actual restrictions automakers have been placing on US dealerships (aside from Subaru)?

Are the restrictions based on all exports or is it specifically a Canadian thing? Would it make any difference if the buyer is a US citizen but being exported to Canada?

If the buyer is a US citizen what would stop him/her from buying the vehicle at a US dealership for cash, financing or otherwise and simply driving it across the border (with all the correct paperwork, naturally)

[burtyboy74]

Has anyone crossed at the Eastport, Id crossing? If so could you provide any info you have for it?

[Rehan]

Would it make any difference if the buyer is a US citizen but being exported to Canada? No, the restrictions are based on residency rather than citizenship. In other words, a US citizen living in Canada would face the same restrictions as a Canadian citizen+resident. The dealerships aren't going to check your passport (for your citizenship)...but they might check your driver's license (for your residence).

[ryandk]

I noticed today that a Westminster Volkswagen is advertising their US Price Adjustment sale this weekend only. Their website shows this pricing on two models -- a 2008 Jetta and 2007 Passat.

2008 Jetta 2.5L
US Price: $23,632
Their Price: $21,732
Automatic/Air Conditioning/Keyless Entry/Heated Seats/Power Group/Comfortline Package/16" Alloy Wheels

2007 Passat 2.0T
US Price: $29,762
Their Price: $28,792
200HP/Power Group/Sunroof/Alloy Wheels/Climate Control/Keyless Entry/6 speed Automatic/A/C with climate control/Comfortline Package/Keyless Entry/16" Alloy Wheels/Heated Seats/Power Group/8 Air Bags

I also got a call from Open Road Lexus in Port Moody, BC. I had requested a brochure from them, and they called to ask if I was interested to come in for a test drive. When I told the salesman that I was going to buy a Lexus through a broker in the US, he told me to give him the price I'd pay through the broker, and he'd do his best to give me a deal. I'm not sure how good the deal would be, but I think it's encouraging that he would say that.

The dealerships are feeling the pressure. We need to flat out tell them that current Canadian pricing is not acceptable and that it needs to fall in line with US pricing, or we're not buying.

[jadeboy]

I also got a call from Open Road Lexus in Port Moody, BC. I had requested a brochure from them, and they called to ask if I was interested to come in for a test drive. When I told the salesman that I was going to buy a Lexus through a broker in the US, he told me to give him the price I'd pay through the broker, and he'd do his best to give me a deal. I'm not sure how good the deal would be, but I think it's encouraging that he would say that.

The dealerships are feeling the pressure. We need to flat out tell them that current Canadian pricing is not acceptable and that it needs to fall in line with US pricing, or we're not buying.

Please do tell what happen with the Lexus dealership. Which model are you buying?

[uncle_odb]

Hey,

Ive been driving my 2008 Legacy 2.5GT for 2 weeks now and last wednesday, a 8" crack appeared in the windshield. I went to the winsheild repair shop, and the guy told me that the windshield was placed to tight in place. So I called SoA and the lady gently told me to go to a canadian Subaru dealer to get it fix and pay for the repair and then send the invoice to SoA.

So next tuesday, im going to my dealer to get my windshield replace "under waranty".

I'll keep you guys informed on how fast I get my money back from SoA.


In the mean time, Ive started looking for winter tires and ive realized that I cant just use regular wheels. They also need to have the TPMS. Anyone with the TPMS has changed his tires yet?

Cheers

Sympa

Hi Sympa

Wow, sounds like everything will work out. I've never heard of a windshield that's been put on too tight. Yes, definitely let us know how long it takes for SoA to reimburse you.

Thanks!

[ian46]

A Canadian couple to fight US car dealership discrimination

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20071020/cdns_fight_071020/20071020?hub=TopStories

I think there are now THREE laws in play:

1) The one that allows Companies to set up and
protect their territories

AND

2) Companies are not allowed to violate the Cdn
Competition Act (= Sherman Act in USA), with
CRIMINAL penalties and possible JAIL time
after a CONVICTION.

AND

3) Companies are NOT allowed to discriminate
against certain customers.


Remember , companies are expected to abide by ALL
the LAWS of the land, not just the one that best suits
them today !

I think the only Jobs currently at risk are the corporate
lawyers and PR hacks that have given these firms
such BAD advice ! They should be replaced with
Criminal Defense lawyers and "PR crisis management"
teams ASAP !

As always, my personal opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of any group,
company, etc. You should do your own research first before coming
to your own opinions and conclusions.

[trenton1776]

No, the restrictions are based on residency rather than citizenship. In other words, a US citizen living in Canada would face the same restrictions as a Canadian citizen+resident. The dealerships aren't going to check your passport (for your citizenship)...but they might check your driver's license (for your residence).

So if I really wanted to push this through I could obtain a US license from a state by showing residency (as easy as any bill with your name and address). Then buy the car as if a standard US buyer. I take it this would mean registering with the local DMV and acquiring standard local insurance. Definitely a hassle, but just might be worth it.

I'm looking at the Honda Odyssey Touring which is $40KUS but almost $50K CDN. For $10K I'm willing to inconvenience myself.

[cavuu]

Dear Minister Flaherty

You might be interested to know, as an unsolicited bonus in taking that short drive across the line, the State of Washington really has my interest at heart, and have generously included ME (!)under their very effective Lemon Law for consumer protection, just as any other citizen of WA, something we don’t have in Canada.
Just an FYI that Canada does have a Lemon Law, it's called CANVAP (http://camvap.ca/), Canadian Motor Vehicle Arbitration Plan. It works, my 2005 Dodge Magnum "Lemon" was bought back by Chrysler thanks to the arbitrators decision.

[ian46]

A Canadian couple to fight US car dealership discrimination

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20071020/cdns_fight_071020/20071020?hub=TopStories

For those readers not fully aware, here is a direct quote from Section 15 of the Canadian Constitution:


" (1) Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability."

So, in Canada, an American should be able to
walk into ANY store and be served as if he were
a Canadian. He may be required to use Cdn dollars
and the customer can't ask to buy a "baseball bat
so that he can go home and beat up his wife, etc",
but that is about it folks ....

*cough* I do believe that the US Constitution has
a similar section *cough*
(History buffs will remember that the Americans
fought a CIVIL WAR to achieve this AND I believe
the "Good Guys" won ! )

As always, my personal opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of any group,
company, etc. You should do your own research first before coming
to your own opinions and conclusions.

[tjjohnst]

Whats a statement of compliance label? And where do you get one?
I have been talking with a dealer in Ohio and they have never heard of a statement of compliance label.

RIV.ca says I need one before import. Any ideas?

[thebat88]

A quick question.

What is the advantage of going to the RIV office at Etobicoke in person?

I thought we pay RIV fee and GST at the border and then Canadian Customs will fax the FORM1 to RIV. I then will receive FORM2 by calling them a few days later after the import and they will email me the form or receive FORM2 via snailmail? So i don't understand why one will go to RIV office in person?

Hope someone can confirm my understanding is correct. Thx.

currently anxiously waiting my subaru to arrive....

[jzy]

Is anyone having problems connecting to www.cars101.com today? I don't seem to connect to it.:(

[ian46]

No, the restrictions are based on residency rather than citizenship. In other words, a US citizen living in Canada would face the same restrictions as a Canadian citizen+resident. The dealerships aren't going to check your passport (for your citizenship)...but they might check your driver's license (for your residence).

According to Car Company rules, the above could be true.

BUT,

According to the Canadian Constitution, I feel ALL forms
of discrimination are banned - there should be no advantage
to distinguishing between Cdn Citizenship and Cdn
Residence !

In the case of a conflict between Car Company
rules and our Constitution, which will
ultimately prevail ?

In the USA, the quote above may also be true,
at least according to Car company rules, but there
is now a Lawsuit in Maine which will clarify this issue.

Moral of this story - Just because the Car Company
rules say "XYZ" don't be lulled into the impression
that it is a valid and "Gospel" position !

Also, all you Cdns out there who have just bought
a US car should keep your records and receipts -
you may be able to join in the Maine Lawsuit once
in gets certified as "Class Action" !

In addition, all you Cdns who still want to buy in
Canada, at least contact a US dealer and obtain a
"Rejection letter" so that you too can join in a
future class action lawsuit in Maine. Your damage
claim may be the amount you COULD have saved
if you were able to buy a new US car !

As always, my personal opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of any group,
company, etc. You should do your own research first before coming
to your own opinions and conclusions.

[brokenteeth]

For those readers not fully aware, here is a direct quote from Section 15 of the Canadian Constitution:


" (1) Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability."

So, in Canada, an American should be able to
walk into ANY store and be served as if he were
a Canadian. He may be required to use Cdn dollars
and the customer can't ask to buy a "baseball bat
so that he can go home and beat up his wife, etc",
but that is about it folks ....

*cough* I do believe that the US Constitution has
a similar section *cough*
(History buffs will remember that the Americans
fought a CIVIL WAR to achieve this AND I believe
the "Good Guys" won ! )

Just to settle this, where you reside (i.e. your address) does not make you part of a protected group. Your national origin does.

National origin refers to where you born or where you came from, not your current address. In the US, retailers cannot refuse to service to US-residents of Canadian origin. However they are within their rights to discriminate based on your address and to deny service to any non-residents, including US citizens who are not currently living in the country (e.g. an American living in Canada).

[Monsieurmaggot]

I totally agree... but that doesn't mean that I wouldn't like to change it. I was hoping (and I still can't believe there's not simple software flag that just needs to be switched) that this would be possible for the 2008 Subaru Outback.

I'm trying to look in the Subaru forums as well, but I thought I'd ask here seeing that most of you buying Subarus from the US are probably going through the same thing.

Here's something interesting I noticed on my Subaru. The sun was shining into my car and onto the computer electronic display (the one that shows outside temperature, mileage, etc..) I could clearly see all the instrumentation. The display appears to support Celcius, and kilometres to empty etc...) There should be a way to change the EPROM to display the metric measurement. I can't believe it requires different sensors.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I've read almost all 5000+ postings in this thread and I think it's an amazing way to educate ourselves and become aware of the gouging that's currently happening in Canada. I agree with previous posters that we should not expect miraculous results from finance minister next week's meeting with the retailers. The ONLY way to help align the prices is by putting pressure on the manufacturers / importes. I think right now the weakest link is Subaru Canada, and here is why:

- they don't have any manufacturing facility in Canada, so can't claim "higher cost of doing business up here"
- because of the above they can't even pressure SoA too much into restricting Canadians to import
- the savings are higher on Subarus than other cars

Here's the idea: everybody considering (even if not in the near future) to buy a new car, to write to Subaru Canada and ask why their prices are so much higher, and if there is anything they can do to align them to prices in the US. In case this won't happen let them know you'll buy your car in the US, and advice people you know do the same. I think if enough people do this they'll eventually give up. This is the crack in the system we're all expecting, I am sure if this happens all manufacturers will follow.

What you all guys think?

I sent FIVE emails to Subaru Canada asking this same question about a year ago. I was never answered until I change the tone of my message.

Then I got a terse answer something to the effect "car pricing in Canada is not like commodities"; "Subaru is marketed to a different demographic in Canada" and that their cars are "competetively priced in the marketplace".

I took the emails I received along with a few from local Subaru dealers and sent them off to Consumer and Corporate Affairs AND the Competition Bureau.

I spoke to a person at the Competition Bureau who thanked me for the information said "they'd investigate" and I'm sure promptly filed it in the trash.

[longdong]

So if I really wanted to push this through I could obtain a US license from a state by showing residency (as easy as any bill with your name and address). Then buy the car as if a standard US buyer. I take it this would mean registering with the local DMV and acquiring standard local insurance. Definitely a hassle, but just might be worth it.

I'm looking at the Honda Odyssey Touring which is $40KUS but almost $50K CDN. For $10K I'm willing to inconvenience myself.

Where do you get this number (40K) usually Honda Odyssey 2007 Touring costs around 31K US (Honda Odyssey 2008 is not arrived yet).

[CatchMoreFish]

I have imported a 2007 4Runner from US recently. It doesn't have the daytime running light (DRL). I brought it to Canadian Tire for inspection and asked them to install DRL module for me.

The technician checked the car and told me I have the DRL already. I think he doesn't really understand what DRL means. He told me that I can turn the switch to position 1 which turns parking, tail, license plate, side marker and instrument panel light on. So, my car passed the inspection and I got my license plate.

As I understand, the standard DRL on this 4Runner model is the 'Turn Signal' lights. I worry about being pulled over by plice. So, I will still go ahead to install DRL in another shop.

Has anyone installed DRL on imported 4Runner recenlty? Which light is used as DRL? Who did it? I am in GTA, Ontario. PM or post is more than welcome.

Thanks.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I like the targetted rolling blackout strategy.. I think the Subaru (the corp) is sacrificing the Canadian Distributorship as we speak, and have allowed the US Distributor to do what they are actually doing to put the pressure on Subaru Canada. My local dealer (whom I've made peace with for my US Purchase) pays about $9,000 more for the same vehicle than the US Distributor. The local dealer is in constant dialog with Subaru Canada, who seem to be running in circles with the pressure. Personally, I'm glad I bought in the US just for the Lemon Law Protection peace of mind. Miles ahead of Canada.

You have to crack one of the big ones. The Subaru (Corp) approach must be working for them as half the new units crossing are Subaru. They have to be getting good market share out of this. I would rather have Honda or Toyota (Canada) sit up and be forced to take notice, but that's just my personal take on things.

I took my Subaru into my local dealer yesterday for it's 7500 mile service.

No problems whatsoever except that I thought an oil change, service check and tire rotation for $75 was a bit steep.

Still, as a sat in a new 3.0R Outback all polished in the showroom, I couldn't help but chuckle at the $49,000 price tag, the $199 administrative fee, the $299 security fee and the $1495 PDI. It didn't even have two-tone leather seats. :(

Interestingly while I was there looking through the local Toronto Star paper, there was an add from a GTA Volvo dealer justifying why you should not buy in the US.

I might not remember the whole ad but it said something to the effect:

It mentioned that you WILL be paying PST and GST on US cars!
You will pay 6.2% duty,
The is a lot of paperwork (save a headache and let them gouge you instead),
and that a considerable amount of money needs to be spent to conform the vehicle.

[Monsieurmaggot]

A quick question.

What is the advantage of going to the RIV office at Etobicoke in person?

I thought we pay RIV fee and GST at the border and then Canadian Customs will fax the FORM1 to RIV. I then will receive FORM2 by calling them a few days later after the import and they will email me the form or receive FORM2 via snailmail? So i don't understand why one will go to RIV office in person?

Hope someone can confirm my understanding is correct. Thx.

currently anxiously waiting my subaru to arrive....

You can get your FORM2 in a few minutes and since you're in the presence of the RIV person, you can ask any question about what appears on your FORM2.

They will also confirm that everything is in order and that the import process is underway. Even though you pay GST, the process doesn't start until RIV gets all the paperwork.

[flaming homer]

I took my Subaru into my local dealer yesterday for it's 7500 mile service.

No problems whatsoever except that I thought an oil change, service check and tire rotation for $75 was a bit steep.I was similiarly dinged for the 3,000 miles oil change, and I didn't get tire rotation for that amount.

When my Forester hits 7,500 miles, it's going to Costco for syntethic oil change. I think this is how the Canadian Subaru dealers are aiming to "recover" lost revenues.

BTW: Those of you considering 2008 Tribecas, the story is dealers in Buffalo all want at least $1000 over invoice, this is after their crappy attitude. While Van Bortel has the best prices, Karl has a long list of Tribeca factory orders and it takes a while to fill them. Don't forget the other dealers in the Rochester area, you'll actually find on-hand stock if you look hard enough, and they beat Buffalo (Northtown, West Herr) prices

[shopper-X]

I was similiarly dinged for the 3,000 miles oil change, and I didn't get tire rotation for that amount.

When my Forester hits 7,500 miles, it's going to Costco for syntethic oil change. I think this is how the Canadian Subaru dealers are aiming to "recover" lost revenues.


I too talked with my local dealer to make amends and they were supportive to my surprise. The sale rep sat in the Tribeca and shock his head and said "It's exactly the same".
I spoke with the service manager about service and they quoted me $30 + fees (Disposal + Enviro) for regular oil and $65-70+fees (I forget) for synthetic. He also mentioned I should drive on regular oil for at least 10K Miles before switching to synthetic oil. I guess everyone has a different opinion on when to switch.

[Lost Horizon]

Agree about having to crack one of the big ones first, but since we can't cause a big crack in one hit, let's try a small one and keep hitting. They have deep pockets and won't crack easily. Having Subaru Canada align prices will put much higher pressure than we can.

I think Subaru Canada is in the process of cracking without anything else needed. It is so simple to get a new Subaru out of the US that the sales targets are not happening in Canada anyway. Other than taking a day off to go get the car, it comes thru seamlessly, meets the specs and you get to drive it around with a US Dealer's Licence plate frame. Drives the local dealers nuts, and they beat back on the distributor... they will fold, they have no choice as the momentum builds. But the big ones, like big oil, will continue to conspire together and attempt to price fix, as long as the sheep continue to buy from them. For some reason, the average Canadians seem to like getting continuously rammed, even when you show them the gate..

But, IMO, the big guys will only fold if one of the other big guys crack. Ford has already said as much. Even tho the Canadian Consumer is aware that not buying en masse will help each individual in the end, (s)he will ignore the obvious.

[trenton1776]

Where do you get this number (40K) usually Honda Odyssey 2007 Touring costs around 31K US (Honda Odyssey 2008 is not arrived yet).


According to Honda.com:

http://automobiles.honda.com/tools/build-price/summary.asp?MODEL=RL3898KW&MODELNAME=ODYSSEY%205DR%20TOUR&DIVISION=A&SERIESNAME=Odyssey&SERIESID=14&YEAR=2008&SERIES=14&Trim=&CATEGORY=&ECOLOR=B-530M&ICOLOR=GR&SELECTED=&INCLUDED=&REQUIRED=

[dheath]

I thought this was amusing.

In order to get a Canadian safety certificate for your new purchase, you'll need to ensure it has daytime running lights and a kilometre display on the speedometer. Neither is available on U.S.-made vehicles.

-- Source: CarCostCanada and Volvo Winnipeg

The full article is at

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/subscriber/business/local/story/4061553p-4665052c.html

I sent this Misinformation Spreader an email, maybe he'll do a follow-up story.

[georgetoy]

Thanks to contributing members of this forum, I successfully imported a Hyundai Sonata on Friday for my dad who lives in Quebec.

Our initial choice was a Toyota Camry. Since we could not find a Toyota NY or NJ dealer willing to sell to Canadians directly, we started to look at alternatives like the Sonata. After some research, I found that the Sonata is pretty much identical to the Camry with respect to power, weight, exterior dimensions, fuel consumption, safety features (6 bags, active head restraint, stability control) etc. A test drive of the Sonata, lower price and longer warranty convinced us that the Sonata is a better choice over the Camry. We paid $20900 (on the road) whereas a similarly equipped Sonata model would have been $29400 in Canada for a savings of $8500. PDI is under 700 in the US, but it's over 1400 in Canada. Are we getting fleeced or what!?

The overall process was simple. While crossing the Queenston-Lewiston bridge at 11am, we encountered lineups with people importing cars at US and Canadian customs as well as the RIV office. In fact, one guy was importing 6 vehicles at the US customs office, which is easy money for a days work.

For anybody looking to import a Hyundai, the Sonata and Sante Fe are built in N.A. which would save you 6% Canadian duty. Also, manufacturer rebates to Canadians are available and applicable for Hyundai products.

Although my dad accompanied me to the dealer, he did NOT need to be physically present for the import process. For the signature on the warranty, the Hyundai dealer was willing to courier the documents to my dad and he did not need to be physically at the dealer.

Finally, I’d like to say, Screw you Toyota and welcome to the family Hyundai.

[Lost Horizon]

Just an FYI that Canada does have a Lemon Law, it's called CANVAP (http://camvap.ca/), Canadian Motor Vehicle Arbitration Plan. It works, my 2005 Dodge Magnum "Lemon" was bought back by Chrysler thanks to the arbitrators decision.

I think if you look at the US lemon law, it's not about going to arbitration and talking it out... It's cut and dried, and doesn't have the manufacturer/dealer/distributor as part of the "arbitration". CANVAP is more like an alternative (ugh) to court.. State Lemon Law is the law of the land... no arguments... much more consumer oriented than the Canadian compromise which actually gives the Car Corp's a better chance to wiggle and offer a rebuttal.

If you call a Lemon in the US, and you meet the 30 day or 3 strikes or whatever requirements, it's over. No need to buy a new suit to go talk to the nice CANVAP people and prepare a big long story with "friendly" folks who will give you coffee..

[Monsieurmaggot]

In fact, one guy was importing 6 vehicles at the US customs office, which is easy money for a days work.

See the cars appear in Auto Trader, craiglist and the like in the next few days.



Finally, I’d like to say Screw you Toyota and welcome to the family Hyundai.

That statement makes me just so warm and fuzzy. The Canadian sales rep. needs to wait a few more weeks now to renew his country club membership.

Boo $%#@ Hoo.

[ryandk]

A friend of mine bought a 2008 Toyota Tacoma in the greater Vancouver area. Her new truck's daytime running lights are just like yours -- the turn signal lights come on. Apparently Canada has changed their definition of DRL, and studies have found that having just the turn signal lights on are just as effective as having the headlights on during the day.



I have imported a 2007 4Runner from US recently. It doesn't have the daytime running light (DRL). I brought it to Canadian Tire for inspection and asked them to install DRL module for me.

The technician checked the car and told me I have the DRL already. I think he doesn't really understand what DRL means. He told me that I can turn the switch to position 1 which turns parking, tail, license plate, side marker and instrument panel light on. So, my car passed the inspection and I got my license plate.

As I understand, the standard DRL on this 4Runner model is the 'Turn Signal' lights. I worry about being pulled over by plice. So, I will still go ahead to install DRL in another shop.

Has anyone installed DRL on imported 4Runner recenlty? Which light is used as DRL? Who did it? I am in GTA, Ontario. PM or post is more than welcome.

Thanks.

[orion747]

The auto manufacturers are getting more ridiculous by day. I was on a Toyota test drive today when the salesdroid mentioned that Toyota will be limiting or dropping sales of replacement instrument clusters, to convert to km/h. (take that with a grain of salt, coming from a salesdroid) That and Toyota is already dragging their feet to file 2008 modification information with RIV, paperwork necessary to import a car.

It's one thing to not drop prices, but restricting the free flow of goods is something that really needs a Government sponsored beat down.

I just remembered Jim Prentice, Minister of Industry is my MP. Time for a letter.

http://www.jimprentice.ca/contact.html

[smpmush]

Here's something interesting I noticed on my Subaru. The sun was shining into my car and onto the computer electronic display (the one that shows outside temperature, mileage, etc..) I could clearly see all the instrumentation. The display appears to support Celcius, and kilometres to empty etc...) There should be a way to change the EPROM to display the metric measurement. I can't believe it requires different sensors.

The conversions are all done in the computer... when it is programmed at the factory it is either set to metric or imperial.. It's funy how dealers have no problem importing used vehicals and doing a speedo swap and reflash of the ecm, but it is a big deal for regular consumers..
This is just another scare tactic , they are using to keep buyers up here! Remember 100km's and 60 mph's are in the same position on a speedo so this bull about sensors is just that bull.... It's amazing that they can make such false statements yet no one of authority has stepped up to put a stop to it...

[Lost Horizon]

Finally, I’d like to say Screw you Toyota and welcome to the family Hyundai.

A team cheer erupts from the thread :cheesygri .. And from here, the same to you Honda, bye bye.. after 15 years a loyal new car customer.. Hello Subaru.. for life..

[trenton1776]

[QUOTE=Monsieurmaggot;5801724]See the cars appear in Auto Trader, craiglist and the like in the next few days.

Are the laws any different when importing for resale? Can you actually import 6 cars for personal use?

If importing for resale I assume you don't need to pay PST like any other product for resale but when selling you need to charge both GST and PST from the customer.

Is there anything else to the process?

[kidda]

Have anybody got Lexus Rx330 2004 from US, If yes please share the experience. Thanks

[Monsieurmaggot]

Are the laws any different when importing for resale? Can you actually import 6 cars for personal use?

If importing for resale I assume you don't need to pay PST like any other product for resale but when selling you need to charge both GST and PST from the customer.

Is there anything else to the process?

Lots of "professional importers" popping up everywhere. As long as you're a registered company, you can import as many cars as you can handle. I don't know the tax implications for those folks.

Someone way back in the thread mentioned that you can import up to two vehicles per year for personal use but I have yet to read that for myself.

If anyone spots that tidbit, please post it.

[tico 1948]

I was similiarly dinged for the 3,000 miles oil change, and I didn't get tire rotation for that amount.

When my Forester hits 7,500 miles, it's going to Costco for syntethic oil change. I think this is how the Canadian Subaru dealers are aiming to "recover" lost revenues.

BTW: Those of you considering 2008 Tribecas, the story is dealers in Buffalo all want at least $1000 over invoice, this is after their crappy attitude. While Van Bortel has the best prices, Karl has a long list of Tribeca factory orders and it takes a while to fill them. Don't forget the other dealers in the Rochester area, you'll actually find on-hand stock if you look hard enough, and they beat Buffalo (Northtown, West Herr) prices Try Manchester Subaru in New Hampshire if you are having problems locating a Subaru of any Style. Best pricing that I encountered.:D Several RFDer's can back me up on that one:) . Below invoice pricing & No bad attitude for sure. Zan Peterson is the man to deal with and dosen't forget about the customer after he has your $$$. I got a super deal on an '08 Tribeca. I'm picking it up on the 25th. You may have to travel a bit farther but Zan seems to be able to make it worth your while. PM me for details if you wish.

[Lost Horizon]

I took my Subaru into my local dealer yesterday for it's 7500 mile service.

No problems whatsoever except that I thought an oil change, service check and tire rotation for $75 was a bit steep..

Call me de-sensitized from my local Extortion BMW Ltd, but that seems like a pretty good bargain, relatively.. and they still have to get rid of that gucky old oil in a green way....:D

[trenton1776]

[QUOTE=Monsieurmaggot;5801724]See the cars appear in Auto Trader, craiglist and the like in the next few days.

Are the laws any different when importing for resale? Can you actually import 6 cars for personal use?

If importing for resale I assume you don't need to pay PST like any other product for resale but when selling you need to charge both GST and PST from the customer.

Is there anything else to the process?

I bet these guys have registered corporations in both the US and Canada. The US corporation buys from the US dealership 'as a company vehicle.' That should allow them to circumvent any of the do not sell to Canadian restrictions. They then sell it to their Canadian corporations at cost (pay the GST to customs) and resell locally in Canada. They make good money per vehicle, the end-user saved a couple of thousand and the US dealer did well for himself. Overall a win-win-win.

[ziploc]

Here's something interesting I noticed on my Subaru. The sun was shining into my car and onto the computer electronic display (the one that shows outside temperature, mileage, etc..) I could clearly see all the instrumentation. The display appears to support Celcius, and kilometres to empty etc...) There should be a way to change the EPROM to display the metric measurement. I can't believe it requires different sensors.

i'm pretty sure there's a way to change the software...it's much cheaper that way that built and calibrate different language/measures cars for different markets....like that all the cars are the same it's just the calculations made by software are different and the display units...


for an example my 2004 VW Passat came with French onboard computer and it took minutes for the dealer to change it to english...and they told me that i i wanted they could off put in in German also....and probably onter languages too....

[baz5]

I phoned a Grand Forks Ford Dealership a couple days ago, and they said they arent allowed to sell to Canadians. Phoned another in Fargo and they said they just cant give the $1000 rebate. Is there a summary for this 400 page post anywhere? I would like to find the proper information for importing a car.

[longdong]

So if I really wanted to push this through I could obtain a US license from a state by showing residency (as easy as any bill with your name and address). Then buy the car as if a standard US buyer. I take it this would mean registering with the local DMV and acquiring standard local insurance. Definitely a hassle, but just might be worth it.

I'm looking at the Honda Odyssey Touring which is $40KUS but almost $50K CDN. For $10K I'm willing to inconvenience myself.

Honda will make it difficult for your life, call Honda America and they will tell you that they will not issue any Clearance recall letter to canadian. Also They insist several time about the warranty will be void if you bring the car to Canada. try to buy something else not a honda.

[longdong]

Honda will make it difficult for your life, call Honda America and they will tell you that they will not issue any Clearance recall letter to canadian. Also They insist several time about the warranty will be void if you bring the car to Canada. try to buy something else not a honda.

Also Honda has Honda Odyssey 2007 overstock everywhere either from US or Canada, certain dealer they has almost 60 odyssey available (2007). And they don't want us to buy from US, and they think that we will buy from Canada. Poor boys, they denied me to buy a Honda in US. So I will not buy any Honda in Canada for sure , I will buy something else. Maybe a subaru ... tribeca ... (waiting for the bank to un-freeze my money, thanks Honda America to lock my money for almost 2 months, Honda sucks for life ....)

[dreaderus]

hey there

considering a suburu, hyandi or nissan(which is scary if warranty is void unless registered in us for 6 months)

also anyone think that this will come to fruitation sooner rather then later and we can see price drops in canada before year end? or is this going to drag out.

Dreaderus

[lightbulb]

Hey,

In the mean time, Ive started looking for winter tires and ive realized that I cant just use regular wheels. They also need to have the TPMS. Anyone with the TPMS has changed his tires yet?

Cheers

Sympa

Tough break on the windshield. I've had my 2.5 GT for almost a month now; a nice drive, yes? Please let us know how the SOA re-imbursement goes.

You can go without the TPMS sensors but the warning light on dash will stay on, so the solution to that would be to put a piece of tape over that area. If that's not your style you will need to either use your existing set up and just swap tires or get a set of winter rims with sensors installed. Tirerack will ship up to Canada and they have winter packages available with the sensors installed. Check their website. You would then need to have the new sensors initialized by a dealer. I asked Karl at VanB about defeating the whole TPMS thing but he said they couldn't / wouldn't do it. I subsequently read how it's a recent US regulation that all new cars have this system as result of the Firestone rollover fiasco.

[jwstewart]

Has anyone imported a Subaru from a dealer in Minnesota, ND, SD or Montana ?

I would appreciate hearing positive feedback with referal and contact info.

(I suppose I could go as far as Chicago if needed)

[ChemicalBoy]

Has anyone imported a Subaru from a dealer in Minnesota, ND, SD or Montana ?

I would appreciate hearing positive feedback with referal and contact info.

(I suppose I could go as far as Chicago if needed)

I called around in montana when I was buying my car but I found the best deals were in washington, u might want to try eastside subaru in seattle a try.

[wally_walrus]

I sent FIVE emails to Subaru Canada asking this same question about a year ago. I was never answered until I change the tone of my message.

Then I got a terse answer something to the effect "car pricing in Canada is not like commodities"; "Subaru is marketed to a different demographic in Canada" and that their cars are "competetively priced in the marketplace".

I took the emails I received along with a few from local Subaru dealers and sent them off to Consumer and Corporate Affairs AND the Competition Bureau.

I spoke to a person at the Competition Bureau who thanked me for the information said "they'd investigate" and I'm sure promptly filed it in the trash.


Unfortunately we can only do something when we're acting in numbers. I'm sure others have got this same answer from Subaru Canada, but when emails are going to pour in the thousands the'll change their tune. Plus the market has already changed, they sure feel the heat. It's only a matter of time and we have the option

[ymlccc]

Unfortunately we can only do something when we're acting in numbers. I'm sure others have got this same answer from Subaru Canada, but when emails are going to pour in the thousands the'll change their tune. Plus the market has already changed, they sure feel the heat. It's only a matter of time and we have the option
I will never count on Subaru Canada to be honest. Even thought they can sorta drop the price by offering rebate, matching US lease price or offering new customer $2000 gas money but so what? They will NEVER match US price... I spent hours trying to negotiate $1000-$2000 discount for a new 2007 or 2008 impreza but they didn't even willing to negotiate. Pay Cash one shot? No, giving me more accessories, No. Couple sales supposed to call me back but waiting for weeks without hearing anything. I really got FED UP with their attitude so I bought the car from US...

Guys, be smart, don't wait for them to do something for you, HELP YOURSELF while you can. House and car are two biggest spendings in your life... The saving is big and significant!

[Tuppin]

When I got my Tribeca last year I had Tirerack send a set of Michelin X-ice tires with some nice alloy wheels to the dealer. I got a fantastic deal...got the tires and the wheels for what the tires alone would cost in Canada.

Anyway, for those wondering about TPMS....I didn't bother with them on my winter tires. So when the winter tires are on the TPMS light will periodically flash....seems to be random but usually when you are at highway speed. It doesn't bother me in the slightest. When the regular tires go back on the light goes out.

This vehicle is very good in snow with dedicated winter tires!!

[VladK]

Is it true that Lexus wont sell to you if you don't have a US address? Any ways around that?

[jadeboy]

That and Toyota is already dragging their feet to file 2008 modification information with RIV, paperwork necessary to import a car.


Could you provide a little more details on this?

[bcbud]

Taliking about Tribeca's, I thought some of these cars seemed reasonably priced http://motors.listings.ebay.ca/Subaru_Tribeca_W0QQfclZ3QQfromZR13QQloglZ1QQsacatZ 149423QQsocmdZListingItemList
particularly the ones from Texas ( a little far though)

[ryandk]

Has anyone used an autobroker in BC to import a car from Washington state? I've found C-Rich Management Ltd., but I'm wondering if there are any others out there.

I'm looking to import a MazdaSpeed 3 or a VW GTI.

Thanks.

[Lost Horizon]

Taliking about Tribeca's, I thought some of these cars seemed reasonably priced http://motors.listings.ebay.ca/Subaru_Tribeca_W0QQfclZ3QQfromZR13QQloglZ1QQsacatZ 149423QQsocmdZListingItemList
particularly the ones from Texas ( a little far though)

The dealer that seems to have a good supply in WA is

Mike Scarff Subaru (http://www.mikescarffsubaru.com/en_US/)

I got my Legacy from Dewey Griffin, but it originated from Scarff (dealer/dealer trade). I went to Dewey because it is closer to the border, and I liked the CA (Dale Wills). Prices in both places are similar, good discounts.

Has anyone used an autobroker in BC to import a car from Washington state? I've found C-Rich Management Ltd., but I'm wondering if there are any others out there.

I'm looking to import a MazdaSpeed 3 or a VW GTI.

Thanks.

I started out thinking I would use a broker, and settled on A & A. They seem to be straight up. In the end, it seemed such a straightforward thing that I took a day off and did it myself. It is an easy exercise if you use a dealer familiar with the process. Griffin had the export package folder set up, as well as all the stuff I needed for the Canadian Import side. It took 10 minutes to Export at the truck crossing, and 20 minutes to import on the Canadian side, and I was on my way up 99.

A & A Broker link (http://www.aacb.com/)

[rbsx]

Hey guys, I'm importing a BMW from the states and I'm very familliar with the issues involved.

The one question I haven't been able to answer is do you still pay PST if the car is used?

I know that if you buy a used car within Canada you don't pay one of the taxes.

Cheers.

Oh by the way, any idea who offers affordable shipping from the States?

[ian46]

Just to settle this, where you reside (i.e. your address) does not make you part of a protected group. Your national origin does.

National origin refers to where you born or where you came from, not your current address. In the US, retailers cannot refuse to service to US-residents of Canadian origin. However they are within their rights to discriminate based on your address and to deny service to any non-residents, including US citizens who are not currently living in the country (e.g. an American living in Canada).

The quote above is likely true ONLY ACCORDING to
CAR COMPANY RULES !

According to the Canadian Constitution, it may
not be correct.

The confusion likely exists because the Car Company
rules have never been LEGALLY challenged,
at least not until NOW to my knowledge.

My Reference for my opinion is the just launched
lawsuit in the US against several CAR companies
for "discrimination" - (details have been posted
on this board a few pages ago) as well as the recent
CANADIAN Class Action lawsuit launched in Sept/07.

Mr. Brokenteeth,
1) What are your references / backup for your
position ?
2) What company do you work for ?

BTW,
Is is legal to discriminate against
African Blacks, but not American Blacks ?

OR
Is it legal to discriminate against orthodox
Jews but not regular Jews ?

Opinions are Great, but without some backup
they carry little weight ... looking forward
to your reply !

As always, my personal opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of any group,
company, etc. You should do your own research first before coming
to your own opinions and conclusions.

[ian46]

A Canadian couple to fight US car dealership discrimination

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20071020/cdns_fight_071020/20071020?hub=TopStories

Mr. Brokenteeth:
Above is some very interesting reading !!

As always, my personal opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of any group,
company, etc. You should do your own research first before coming
to your own opinions and conclusions.

[scope11]

Has anyone used an autobroker in BC to import a car from Washington state? I've found C-Rich Management Ltd., but I'm wondering if there are any others out there.

I'm looking to import a MazdaSpeed 3 or a VW GTI.

Thanks.

Keep in mind, if I'm not mistaken (and if I am I'm sure someone here will correct me...), the Mazda 3 is not manufactured in NA so you will be required to pay the 6% duty when you cross the boarder. Also, I believe Mazda does not honour the warrenty if you import.

[shopper-X]

Keep in mind, if I'm not mistaken (and if I am I'm sure someone here will correct me...), the Mazda 3 is not manufactured in NA so you will be required to pay the 6% duty when you cross the boarder. Also, I believe Mazda does not honour the warrenty if you import.

Correct, the Mazda3 is built in Japan so add on the 6.1% for duty.

[killbillvol1]

Guys, do I have to wait from the package from the RIV to arrive after going through the border process or can I just goto a Canadian tire and start the work?

Also, seems like a lot of dealers aren't aware of how to get around the sales tax (esp for used cars). Any one like to point to a link to or post their experience with a used car import?

Thanks!

[Ridgeback]

Thanks for the tip - I just called RBC and got a quote (almost $1000 more than PC financial's quote, except PC won't get me back from the states), asked directly that it would be good for bringing a car back from the US, they had me on hold for a few minutes to verify, and were then happy to issue the policy so long as i faxed in registration info within 45 days of purchase. So I can always cancel RBC and switch back to PC once the car is registered, I suppose.

To date my experience has been:
PC Financial - completely impossible, if you admit it's coming from the states - I didn't try to snow or lie to the call center staff, however. They're my current insurer, and trying to get them to just put on paper that by law I get 14 days coverage on any new car has been a Heller-esque nightmare. Fail.

Belairdirect - they will admit on the phone that they'll give the "special privilidge" of bringing a car back from the US, but as soon as the rep found out I was a new, not an existing customer, he changed his story and claimed they weren't allowed to underwrite US import cars unless I bought a separate house insurance or other car policy first. Not impressed.

I just got off the phone with Bel Air Direct, and got the exact same story. The rep seemed ok at first, but when she found out I was not an existing customer, she immediately told me it was impossible for them to insure a car that wasnt registered in Ontario.

The insurance thing is starting to become a bit of a joke. My current insurer, Scottish and York (who are part of Aviva) will insure me, but wont provide written confirmation until I register the car in Ontario. I guess Ill try RBC next, however Im guessing this isnt going to work either.

[JWL]

The one question I haven't been able to answer is do you still pay PST if the car is used?

I know that if you buy a used car within Canada you don't pay one of the taxes.


You do pay GST if you buy it from a dealer. It is possible you don't if you buy privately.

In Ontario, you do pay PST whether it is purchased from a dealer or privately.

[ian46]

Just to settle this, where you reside (i.e. your address) does not make you part of a protected group. Your national origin does.

National origin refers to where you born or where you came from, not your current address. In the US, retailers cannot refuse to service to US-residents of Canadian origin. However they are within their rights to discriminate based on your address and to deny service to any non-residents, including US citizens who are not currently living in the country (e.g. an American living in Canada).

Just to make my position PERFECTLY clear:

According to the Nafta agreement, which
both Canada and the USA signed many years
ago:

Nafta , Section 201 (definitions):

"national means a natural person who is a citizen or permanent resident"

Once again any "company rule" in Canada or the USA
that says otherwise should be invalid, nul and void, and not enforcable !

As always, my personal opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of any group,
company, etc. You should do your own research first before coming
to your own opinions and conclusions.

[bwhizz]

Hey guys,

A friend and I are thinking of hitting up a Subaru Dealer in Buffalo to try and get some kind of discount for buying 2 cars at once..... It then dawned on me that if other red flaggers are thinking of getting a Subaru, it would make sense to organize a Red Flag trip to Buffalo to maximize our discounts on Cars. If we bought 10 cars in one shot I am sure we would get some mad deals.

Also if anyone knows of someone who has a dealer license this would be a good business venture I think.

Thoughts?

[michelb]

Hey guys, I'm importing a BMW from the states and I'm very familliar with the issues involved.

The one question I haven't been able to answer is do you still pay PST if the car is used?

I know that if you buy a used car within Canada you don't pay one of the taxes.

Cheers.

Oh by the way, any idea who offers affordable shipping from the States?

You do pay GST if you buy it from a dealer. It is possible you don't if you buy privately.

In Ontario, you do pay PST whether it is purchased from a dealer or privately.

When importing always pay both taxes whether it's new or used, dealer or private.

[lightbulb]

You need the form that RIV provides; CT uses this form to do the inspection and returns to RIV. CT will stamp your Form 1, which then allows to you to register the car and finally, you will get a complience sticker from RIV in the mail a short time later to stick on the car itself.

If you're in the GTA area, that's the benefit of going to the RIV office to pay the fee, you'll get your form on the spot.


Guys, do I have to wait from the package from the RIV to arrive after going through the border process or can I just goto a Canadian tire and start the work?



Thanks!

[huskylord]

My question is whether as a Canadian, can you avoid paying any of the U.S. state taxes and then getting hit for GST/PST. Can you get reimbursed for U.S taxes paid when importing?

[dotcalamitie]

I agree about organizing purchases. As consumers, if we get organized on the internet into buying groups we could pretty much dictate sales. If we went to Buffalo and ordered 100 Honda Pilots, we would effect change at Honda. All we have to do is get organized on the web with our purchasing plans.

[doylie]

I will be buying a new vehicle in the next year.. my lease is up next Nov. so I am starting to research now to find the vehicle we want rather then rushing into something we really dont. (last time). I narrowed down our choices to the Forrester and the Tucson. The Forrester here starts at 28,500 (bare bones) for a 2007 and up to 40K. In maine they can be had for 18K. I think I will be taking a drive to Maine next Fall unless Subaru Canada wakes up..

[Bullseye]

I will be buying a new vehicle in the next year.. my lease is up next Nov. so I am starting to research now to find the vehicle we want rather then rushing into something we really dont. (last time). I narrowed down our choices to the Forrester and the Tucson. The Forrester here starts at 28,500 (bare bones) for a 2007 and up to 40K. In maine they can be had for 18K. I think I will be taking a drive to Maine next Fall unless Subaru Canada wakes up..

We considered the Forester as well, but because the design on it is so ancient, it has no side curtain airbags, an essential safety feature for us. Maybe they'll have a re-design for 2009, though, it's certainly due.

Also, the Forester is made in Japan, so you pay the 6.1% duty.

For those reasons, we ended up with an Outback instead.

[cookiemunster]

An article on the Financial post site that supports us

http://communities.canada.com/financialpost/blogs/francis/archive/2007/10/21/border-bargains.aspx

[shoprbccom]

I agree about organizing purchases. As consumers, if we get organized on the internet into buying groups we could pretty much dictate sales. If we went to Buffalo and ordered 100 Honda Pilots, we would effect change at Honda. All we have to do is get organized on the web with our purchasing plans.

Do it up on SwarmBuy.com.. new site though.. :( Not much traffic.

Anyone looking for a BMW? I'm looking for a 335i in the next 1-2-3 months..

[newlegacyowner]

it's champlain border, you need to send original certificate of title + 2 copies , 1 copy of Bill of sale.

Port Code: 0712
Location Address: 237 West Service Road
Champlain, NY 12919
Mailing Address: Same As Above
General Phone: (518) 298-8327
General Fax: (518)298-8395

Name: Export Control
Phone: (518) 298-8335

Hi
All Border crossings are listed state by state with phone number and all other contact information at

www.cbp.gov

Click on "PORTS" and then select the state you wish and all the info is there. Very good site!

[LoveRFD]

My question is whether as a Canadian, can you avoid paying any of the U.S. state taxes and then getting hit for GST/PST. Can you get reimbursed for U.S taxes paid when importing?


I thought you need to pay tax for a used car in US but some people here said you don't need to pay state tax for either new or used cars in US.

[diigii]

I will never count on Subaru Canada to be honest. Even thought they can sorta drop the price by offering rebate, matching US lease price or offering new customer $2000 gas money but so what? They will NEVER match US price... I spent hours trying to negotiate $1000-$2000 discount for a new 2007 or 2008 impreza but they didn't even willing to negotiate. Pay Cash one shot? No, giving me more accessories, No. Couple sales supposed to call me back but waiting for weeks without hearing anything. I really got FED UP with their attitude so I bought the car from US...

Guys, be smart, don't wait for them to do something for you, HELP YOURSELF while you can. House and car are two biggest spendings in your life... The saving is big and significant!

Wow!!! I didn't get to view this thread for Saturday and Sunday and I have to catch up on 4 pages!!!

Now, if only I can buy a house in the US and import it back here in Canada, that will be something! :cheesygri

[fugazi11]

Just wondering if you lose any space in the 2nd row if you decide to go for the 7 seater instead of the 5 seater? I know you lose some storage in the 7 seater but I like the option of having the extra rows (as small as they are) as well as the rear cabin a/c?

[Bincent]

Hey guys,

A friend and I are thinking of hitting up a Subaru Dealer in Buffalo to try and get some kind of discount for buying 2 cars at once..... It then dawned on me that if other red flaggers are thinking of getting a Subaru, it would make sense to organize a Red Flag trip to Buffalo to maximize our discounts on Cars. If we bought 10 cars in one shot I am sure we would get some mad deals.

Also if anyone knows of someone who has a dealer license this would be a good business venture I think.

Thoughts?

Count me in.. I'm looking to buy before December if possible.

I'm looking at the Subaru Tribeca or Hyundai Santa Fe.

[moguy]

Do it up on SwarmBuy.com.. new site though.. :( Not much traffic.

Anyone looking for a BMW? I'm looking for a 335i in the next 1-2-3 months..

328xi coupe is on my short list. IS250 AWD is my other choice.

PM me if you're serious.

I just got my credit line approved, so I'm ready to pull the trigger on this if the price is right.

[Xinc]

Count me in.. I'm looking to buy before December if possible.

I'm looking at the Subaru Tribeca or Hyundai Santa Fe.

N' I'm looking at the Outback these days heh... If this would work definitely count me in!

[diigii]

I took my Subaru into my local dealer yesterday for it's 7500 mile service.

No problems whatsoever except that I thought an oil change, service check and tire rotation for $75 was a bit steep.

Still, as a sat in a new 3.0R Outback all polished in the showroom, I couldn't help but chuckle at the $49,000 price tag, the $199 administrative fee, the $299 security fee and the $1495 PDI. It didn't even have two-tone leather seats. :(

Interestingly while I was there looking through the local Toronto Star paper, there was an add from a GTA Volvo dealer justifying why you should not buy in the US.

I might not remember the whole ad but it said something to the effect:

It mentioned that you WILL be paying PST and GST on US cars!
You will pay 6.2% duty,
The is a lot of paperwork (save a headache and let them gouge you instead),
and that a considerable amount of money needs to be spent to conform the vehicle.

It's funny and, at the same time, insulting that a person conceived that ad with that thought. As if you're not paying GST, PST and 6.2% duty (Monsieurmaggot, is it really 6.2% because if it is, it just shows the Canadian dealer will gouge you a further 1% on top of the $15K+ on the care) here when you buy a car.

I've heard this guy (I presumed he's a local car salesman) say to these people at a friend's daughter's birthday party that if you buy a US-spec car, that the fuel gauge will NOT be accurate because it's in gallons, not liters! I laughed so hard from the other end of the backyard when told of it. I can't believe there are people like that who are licensed to sell a car when they don't know what they're talking about! Sometime, you could just commit a sin by asking yourself why dumb people are allowed to live. :evil:

[diigii]

I agree about organizing purchases. As consumers, if we get organized on the internet into buying groups we could pretty much dictate sales. If we went to Buffalo and ordered 100 Honda Pilots, we would effect change at Honda. All we have to do is get organized on the web with our purchasing plans.

If you guys are successful in organizing a group of would-be Subaru buyers, then that's good because you can even go to Van Bortel (Karl) and negotiate even better deals! You all got 2 excellent reasons Karl will love you to go to his dealership. :cheesygri

[shopper-X]

I've heard this guy (I presumed he's a local car salesman) say to these people at a friend's daughter's birthday party that if you buy a US-spec car, that the fuel gauge will NOT be accurate because it's in gallons, not liters! I laughed so hard from the other end of the backyard when told of it. I can't believe there are people like that who are licensed to sell a car when they don't know what they're talking about! Sometime, you could just commit a sin by asking yourself why dumb people are allowed to live. :evil:

An example to combat this thought path is mentioning measuring cups for cooking/baking. On the side they have two scales, imperial (oz) and metric (ml). Either one you use, you get the same amount of liquid and gasoline is dispensed as a liquid.

[Tender]

Just wondering if you lose any space in the 2nd row if you decide to go for the 7 seater instead of the 5 seater? I know you lose some storage in the 7 seater but I like the option of having the extra rows (as small as they are) as well as the rear cabin a/c?

I remember someone from a TV review said that the second row does lose some space. The position of the third row is quite low that I don't know if anyone will feel comfortable in there. It could be personal preference though.

[bionicbadger]

Just wondering if you lose any space in the 2nd row if you decide to go for the 7 seater instead of the 5 seater? I know you lose some storage in the 7 seater but I like the option of having the extra rows (as small as they are) as well as the rear cabin a/c?

I believe if you use the 3rd row, the 2nd row loses space. There is some kind of safety feature that prevents the 2nd row from sliding back all the way (and crushing the feet of people in the 3rd row). If the 3rd row is folded down, I think the 2nd row moves all the way back as it does in the 5 seater.
My advice is to go to a local subaru dealer and check it out. Actually have someone like the wife sit in the 3rd row seats for your test drive, and then sit in the 2nd row seats without adjusting them from when someone was sitting in the 3rd row and see if the legroom in both rows is sufficient. I found the 3rd row a joke and forcing an adult to sit in there would be bad and make the 2nd row seating uncomfortable to boot.

[scope11]

I just got off the phone with Bel Air Direct, and got the exact same story. The rep seemed ok at first, but when she found out I was not an existing customer, she immediately told me it was impossible for them to insure a car that wasnt registered in Ontario.

The insurance thing is starting to become a bit of a joke. My current insurer, Scottish and York (who are part of Aviva) will insure me, but wont provide written confirmation until I register the car in Ontario. I guess Ill try RBC next, however Im guessing this isnt going to work either.

Bought my car on Saturday (I'll post my entire process once I have it across the boarder and registered), however as soon as I purchased it I called PC Financial (my current auto insurance provider). Told them I just bought a new car. They asked me for the VIN, I gave it to them. They pulled my vehical up no problem on their system, and gave me a quote for the insurance. I said please add it and they emailed me a temp slip this morning. No mention of the US ever came up, they did not ask where I bought it. I had been planning this all along, but was keeping my fingers crossed that the VIN came up in their system.

[moguy]

Got some PM's about this.

Those of you that own your home should consider a secured line of credit.

Here's the processs:

Your house is appraised and the equity you have in 80% of the house is available to you as credit at prime.

Example

House appraised at 500G
80% of 500 = 400G
Balance on Mortgage =320G

Credit available = 400-320 = 80G

That amount is available at prime, and with the option to pay as little as interest only (verses 3% a month for unsecured credit)

Also, that money is available for ANYTHING. Car, vacation, giant box of porn, whatever. So, there will be no problem converting it to US and buying an american car.

Hopefully that information is useful to some of you.

Cheers, and good luck to all importers.

Mo :)

[Bullseye]

Bought my car on Saturday (I'll post my entire process once I have it across the boarder and registered), however as soon as I purchased it I called PC Financial (my current auto insurance provider). Told them I just bought a new car. They asked me for the VIN, I gave it to them. They pulled my vehical up no problem on their system, and gave me a quote for the insurance. I said please add it and they emailed me a temp slip this morning. No mention of the US ever came up, they did not ask where I bought it. I had been planning this all along, but was keeping my fingers crossed that the VIN came up in their system.

Can an insurer actually pull up registration info from a VIN? I didn't think so. I had the same experience, gave them my VIN this morning, they just faxed me my temp pink slip. Even though they'd previously said it was fine that I bought in the US, I didn't mention it when adding it today to my policy.

Now I just wish I'd converted the money on Friday instead of today! Dollar dropped well over a cent this morning, I would have been at least $200 more ahead if I did it then...ah well.

[Bullseye]

moguy - go even one better, get the HELOC set up, then take advantage of one of the MBNA or Citi 0% for 12/15 months deals discussed in the forums. Make the $10 min payment (with MBNA) on it monthly, then dump as much as you can every month into a high interest savings account. When you eventually exhaust the 0% deals, use your built up savings to pay it off. If you do ever run out of promos before it's paid off, HELOC is there. Worst case scenario is you pay interest at prime.

[brokenteeth]

Regarding our right to purchase in the USA:

I dislike the situation as much everyone else done. But I'm not convinced that the manufacturers are doing anything illegal. The best way to change the price is to: shop in the USA when possible and/or buy used and/or delay your purchase until prices change.

The quote above is true ONLY ACCORDING to
CAR COMPANY RULES !

According to the Canadian Constitution, it is
not correct.

My Reference for my opinion is the just launched
lawsuit in the US against several CAR companies
for "discrimination" - (details have been posted
on this board a few pages ago) as well as the recent
CANADIAN Class Action lawsuit launched in Sept/07.


The ability of a resident of Canada to purchase a car in the USA is not a human right. Just because the NFLD couple filed with the MAINE HRC, doesn't mean there is any validity to their claim. I have read the statement of claim for the Canadian Class Action and it does not refer to the constitution or discrimination but to competition laws.


Mr. Brokenteeth,
1) What are your references / backup for your
position ?
2) What company do you work for ?



Haha. You can search the Internet, as I said before, "national origin" (http://www.eeoc.gov/origin/index.html) is different than where you reside. Discrimination is only prohibited against the groups mentioned in the constitution and other laws. Geographic discriminiation is completely legal in the USA unless it is being used as a front to discriminate against a protected group.

For example, insurance companies, universities, and many services discriminate based on address all the time, even in Canada.

Lots of other types of discrimination are legal too: Nightclubs can refuse entrance to "ugly" people, Banks can refuse services to broke people, Amusement parks can refuse rides to short people, etc...It's all legal if it doesn't discriminate against an explicitly protected group.


BTW,
Is is legal to discriminate against
African Blacks, but not American Blacks ?



It depends on the basis of the discrimination. If based on race or national origin: No. If based on residence: Yes.


OR
Is it legal to discriminate against orthodox
Jews but not regular Jews ?


Again, it depends on the basis of discrimination. If based on race or religion: No. If based on their residence address: Yes.

If a store states that they will only sell to US residents it would be legal for them to forbid sales to all visitors from Israel. They could not be charged with "religous" discrimination against Jews if they show they consistently apply the rule to all foreign visitors.

[Lost Horizon]

Regarding our right to purchase in the USA:

I dislike the situation as much everyone else done. But I'm not convinced that the manufacturers are doing anything illegal. The best way to change the price is to: shop in the USA when possible and/or buy used and/or delay your purchase until prices change..

Chasing the legal arguments for a solution is a waste of time and money. They have bigger, fatter lawyers than anyone, and love the fight ($$ lawyer joke - insert here).

You are right in your observation quoted above..

[brokenteeth]

Just to make my position PERFECTLY clear:

According to the Nafta agreement, which
both Canada and the USA signed many years
ago:

Nafta , Section 201 (definitions):

"national means a natural person who is a citizen or permanent resident"

Once again any "company rule" in Canada or the USA
that says otherwise is invalid, nul and void, and not enforcable !


Perhaps I'm being baited with these response.

NAFTA is the reason we don't have to pay duty on imported Subarus or any other North American made product imported from the USA.

NAFTA compels the federal, provincial and state goverments of North America to give fair and equal treatment in trade to all products produced in North America (e.g. Ontario cannot import Quebec maple syrup tariff-free and then slap a 10% tariff on Vermont maple syrup).

It does NOT require private businesses or individuals to offer the same products/price across the continent. The legality of distributor and territory agreements has been long established and are perfectly legal. Even within Canada a manufacturer could charge different prices across the country to adjust for market preferences.

[f00kie]

I tried to search this thread, but came up blank. My father just test drove a 2008 Camry and when he inquired about U.S. pricing, they told them it varies so much in part because the Canadian cars are treated for our winter. The salesperson told him that the Camry here in Canada comes with the bottom treated differently, and some other things.

Two questions:

1. Is this true?
2. If yes, then wouldn't a Buffalo car, where winters are worse than in Canada, get the same 'winter' treatment?

[moguy]

I tried to search this thread, but came up blank. My father just test drove a 2008 Camry and when he inquired about U.S. pricing, they told them it varies so much in part because the Canadian cars are treated for our winter. The salesperson told him that the Camry here in Canada comes with the bottom treated differently, and some other things.

Two questions:

1. Is this true?
2. If yes, then wouldn't a Buffalo car, where winters are worse than in Canada, get the same 'winter' treatment?

I'm sure whatever "treatment" if any, amounts to $50 of the 10,000 difference.

I'd move on to a more truthful salesman, if he still wants to buy in Canada.

[yyz2hkg]

I tried to search this thread, but came up blank. My father just test drove a 2008 Camry and when he inquired about U.S. pricing, they told them it varies so much in part because the Canadian cars are treated for our winter. The salesperson told him that the Camry here in Canada comes with the bottom treated differently, and some other things.

Two questions:

1. Is this true?
2. If yes, then wouldn't a Buffalo car, where winters are worse than in Canada, get the same 'winter' treatment?

I think you answered you question yourself. It's true that the same cars are geared towards different markets, hence what Toyota wrote that was posted here a few ago. But in all things, I think the dealers are trying to keep their business here regardless.

Taken from Toyota.ca

Canadian vehicle specifications

When Toyota Canada considers equipment on Toyota vehicles for the Canadian market, we select certain options and features, on a model-by-model basis, that we believe are best suited for Canada's challenging climatic and driving conditions. These may differ from equipment and options selected for vehicles distributed and sold in the U.S. market.

Customers might believe that the only real difference between Canadian and US vehicles relates to vehicle gauges (which are metric in Canada and imperial in the United States). Depending on model, however, made-for-Canada Toyota vehicles may include any of the following features:



Heavy-duty heaters, batteries, alternators, and starters;
High capacity window washer fluid reservoirs;
More robust weather stripping and seals;
Added paint chip protection;
Mudguards;
All-season tires;
An outside temperature gauge;
Heated mirrors;
Towing packages.
A streamlined purchasing

LINK (http://www.toyota.ca/cgi-bin/WebObjects/WWW.woa/18/wo/Home.WhatsNew-oK1r21s63rrip2Tb7nbBrM/0.9?fmg%2fnew%2fticker%5fn306313e%2ehtml)

[whampoa]

I tried to search this thread, but came up blank. My father just test drove a 2008 Camry and when he inquired about U.S. pricing, they told them it varies so much in part because the Canadian cars are treated for our winter. The salesperson told him that the Camry here in Canada comes with the bottom treated differently, and some other things.

Two questions:

1. Is this true?
2. If yes, then wouldn't a Buffalo car, where winters are worse than in Canada, get the same 'winter' treatment?

Why are people still fall for this piece of CRAP? >:(

While you're at it, did the sleazeperson also mentioned about US car only take gallon and not litre of oil, fuel and all rainbow color of liquid. :twisted:

[ian46]

Perhaps I'm being baited with these response.

NAFTA is the reason we don't have to pay duty on imported Subarus or any other North American made product imported from the USA.

NAFTA compels the federal, provincial and state goverments of North America to give fair and equal treatment in trade to all products produced inNorth America (e.g. Ontario cannot import Quebec maple syrup tariff-free and then slap a 10% tariff on Vermont maple syrup).

It does NOT require private businesses or individuals to offer the same products/price across the continent. The legality of distributor and territory agreements has been long established and are perfectly legal. Even within Canada a manufacturer could charge different prices across the country to adjust for market preferences.


Not baited - just challenged for more than
"let's settle this - here is the answer with
no explanation !"

I commend you for your well thought out
responses - I agree with some of what you say.

As Cdns we should shop for cars in the US or wait, etc.

However, since there are now three lawsuits ongoing
(one Class Action in USA, One Class Action (to-be)
in Canada, and one Class action (hopeful) in the USA)
these issues will eventually and(finally) be resolved
by a judge / Jury , or even better, settled out of
court much sooner.

It is also reasonable to assume that all these lawsuits
at least have merit since the lawyers involved
only get paid if they win ! Whether they win
or loose, only time will tell !

In addition, I am not convinced that the Cdn
Constitution will have no bearing on this - it
could simply be the "Plan B" ... It is not likely that the
"notwithstanding clause" will ever be invoked
on this issue after a "slam dunk win" !

My point being - Nothing is settled yet,
and may not be for some time !

Cheers !

As always, my personal opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of any group,
company, etc. You should do your own research first before coming
to your own opinions and conclusions.

[baillieul]

Base price of a VW Rabbit is 14,999 US and 20,000 CDN. I called a US dealer in Bangor maine for pricing, they have been told by VW America not to sell to canadians. They can sell used product, not new.

I kind of have it in my mind now to import a new 2008 VW Rabbit. Anyone have any luck inporting a VW? Any dealers you'd recommend, etc.:?:

[f00kie]

Why are people still fall for this piece of CRAP? >:(

While you're at it, did the sleazeperson also mentioned about US car only take gallon and not litre of oil, fuel and all rainbow color of liquid. :twisted:

I am not falling for it (and neither is my father, he's well aware of the premise behind this thread), I know it's not worth the savings, I just wanted to know if there is in fact a difference, and thank you to the above posters for pointing me in the right direction (the link).

[ian46]

While we all wait for the legal "mess" to sort
itself out, what should the average Cdn do?

1) Try a Cdn Dealer first, and ask him to
price match to the US car, if he is willing
to get close ( say about 2000 $ for a NA built car;
2K + 6.1% duty for others)
then buy in Canada ! But YMMV

2) If you don't get the price match - you are best to buy
your car down in the USA and save about 20%
to 30% of the Cdn price ! The process should be
very easy, but can be time consuming. You can pay
a car broker to do some of the effort for you,
but you will save less money , obviously ...

3) If you insist on buying you car in Canada at these
inflated prices, at least contact the US dealer for
your brand of car and ask for a written quote.
When he sends back your "rejection letter",
(which says something like "I am not allowed to sell
to Canadians") file it away in a safe place , it may
be useful in the future in a class action lawsuit - your
damage claim should be what you COULD have saved
if you were able to buy from a US dealer !

4) In all cases, you should contact your MP and
complain long and hard , and tell all your friends
and neighbours to do the same !

As always, my personal opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of any group,
company, etc. You should do your own research first before coming
to your own opinions and conclusions.

[BeeBee]

Count me in.. I'm looking to buy before December if possible.

I'm looking at the Subaru Tribeca or Hyundai Santa Fe.

N' I'm looking at the Outback these days heh... If this would work definitely count me in!

I am in too. Planning on getting an Outback in the next 2 months.

[Raikkonen]

Because Minnesota winters are so mild compared to SW Ontario....:mad:



I think you answered you question yourself. It's true that the same cars are geared towards different markets, hence what Toyota wrote that was posted here a few ago. But in all things, I think the dealers are trying to keep their business here regardless.

Taken from Toyota.ca

Canadian vehicle specifications

When Toyota Canada considers equipment on Toyota vehicles for the Canadian market, we select certain options and features, on a model-by-model basis, that we believe are best suited for Canada's challenging climatic and driving conditions. These may differ from equipment and options selected for vehicles distributed and sold in the U.S. market.

Customers might believe that the only real difference between Canadian and US vehicles relates to vehicle gauges (which are metric in Canada and imperial in the United States). Depending on model, however, made-for-Canada Toyota vehicles may include any of the following features:



Heavy-duty heaters, batteries, alternators, and starters;
High capacity window washer fluid reservoirs;
More robust weather stripping and seals;
Added paint chip protection;
Mudguards;
All-season tires;
An outside temperature gauge;
Heated mirrors;
Towing packages.
A streamlined purchasing

LINK (http://www.toyota.ca/cgi-bin/WebObjects/WWW.woa/18/wo/Home.WhatsNew-oK1r21s63rrip2Tb7nbBrM/0.9?fmg%2fnew%2fticker%5fn306313e%2ehtml)

[superwell]

Does everyone know of the current "US" prices at the AL Paladini Ford dealership? They had an ad about a F150 for $18,900 and $13,900 for a Focus, not bad without having to goto the states if you looking for a ford anyway.

[diigii]

I tried to search this thread, but came up blank. My father just test drove a 2008 Camry and when he inquired about U.S. pricing, they told them it varies so much in part because the Canadian cars are treated for our winter. The salesperson told him that the Camry here in Canada comes with the bottom treated differently, and some other things.

Two questions:

1. Is this true?
2. If yes, then wouldn't a Buffalo car, where winters are worse than in Canada, get the same 'winter' treatment?

This is one of those situations where a bonehead salesman either does not know what he's talking about or is intentionally misleading an uninformed Canadian car buyer.

Solution? A $90 rustproofing at Rust Check will winterize a US car. That is way cheaper than the $500 dripless rust proofing the dealer's business manager will further gouge you after the salesman is through with you.

[Raikkonen]

Does everyone know of the current "US" prices at the AL Paladini Ford dealership? They had an ad about a F150 for $18,900 and $13,900 for a Focus, not bad without having to goto the states if you looking for a ford anyway.

Toronto Star recently reported the Focus for $9900 (which is still about 30% less).

I believe you posted to be helpful, don't get me wrong. But deception or false assertions are part of the game used by our domestic car industry.;)

[superwell]

Toronto Star recently reported the Focus for $9900 (which is still about 30% less).

I believe you posted to be helpful, don't get me wrong. But deception or false assertions are part of the game used by our domestic car industry.;)

TRUE, just stating what I saw, and I did a quick check for a F150 on edmunds and it was slightly less in US $, then the 18,900 here....so not a bad deal IMO

[abpat75]

I've found a dealer in Chicago area, who is willing to sell me 07 Toyota Camry. One of my who lives in Chicago area will be vising me in Nov 1st week. He is willing to drive the car and drop here in Mississauga for me.

The questions "Can he cross the border and take care of the import process?". (I think it should be possible, since brokers are able to do it, I read it in some previous posts).

Any insight/suggestions.

[110phil]

Lots of posters here talking about importing a new Subaru over the next few months ... don't you think you'd better hurry up before Subaru USA starts refusing sales to Canadians like all the other manufacturers?

Seriously, if I were interested in a Subaru I'd be moving my butt to get it done real quick. :)

[Lost Horizon]

Lots of posters here talking about importing a new Subaru over the next few months ... don't you think you'd better hurry up before Subaru USA starts refusing sales to Canadians like all the other manufacturers?

Seriously, if I were interested in a Subaru I'd be moving my butt to get it done real quick. :)

Dunno... I'd say Subaru (the Corp) is quite happy to pick up market share from Toyota, Honda, etc.. no matter where it comes from...

They look like they are semi-punishing Subaru.ca for being asleep at the switch in the first place..

[Trexim]

Lots of posters here talking about importing a new Subaru over the next few months ... don't you think you'd better hurry up before Subaru USA starts refusing sales to Canadians like all the other manufacturers?

Seriously, if I were interested in a Subaru I'd be moving my butt to get it done real quick. :)

Good luck to them if they try to do that. If forced to buy in Canada, lots of people (myself included) will return to Toyota or Honda.

[diigii]

Why are people still fall for this piece of CRAP? >:(

While you're at it, did the sleazeperson also mentioned about US car only take gallon and not litre of oil, fuel and all rainbow color of liquid. :twisted:

Could that be the same sleazeperson whom I overheard at a recent birthday party I posted earlier?

[diigii]

I saw this on Digg.com according to this (if I'm reading this right) Toyota owns Subaru?????

http://tides.ws/wp-content/uploads/images/WhoOwnsWho/Who%20Owns%20Who.jpg

Even if Toyota owns a bit part of Subaru, it's not significant enough for Toyota to exert its influence in Subaru's selling practices. I read the reports when GM sold its shares in Fuji Heavy Industries (Subaru's parent) and Toyota bought them as part of a strategic plan. But, from what I remember, the shares amounted to only 10%. The major decisions still belongs to Fuji Heavy Industries in Japan. 33% is the minimum percentage required for significant control. And for Toyota to exert its influence, they have to have a majority stake at Fuji Heavy Industries, not with Subaru.

[diigii]

Toronto Star recently reported the Focus for $9900 (which is still about 30% less).

I believe you posted to be helpful, don't get me wrong. But deception or false assertions are part of the game used by our domestic car industry.;)

From what I remember from my Business Law course in college, deception or false advertising is against the Competition Act. But sadly, the federal government rarely prosecutes companies here. What Ford will do is to print an ad correction a week later to claim they did reasonable measures to correct the misprint on their part. But by that time, the deceipt has been done.

[flaming homer]

Even if Toyota owns a bit part of Subaru, it's not significant enough for Toyota to exert its influence in Subaru's selling practices. I read the reports when GM sold its shares in Fuji Heavy Industries (Subaru's parent) and Toyota bought them as part of a strategic plan. But, from what I remember, the shares amounted to only 10%. The major decisions still belongs to Fuji Heavy Industries in Japan. 33% is the minimum percentage required for significant control. And for Toyota to exert its influence, they have to have a majority stake at Fuji Heavy Industries, not with Subaru.I read somewhere the Toyota bought Subaru so it can use the excess capacity at Subaru's Indiana plant to build Camrys. Not sure if this is still the case with Tribeca's flying out the door...

http://www.worldcarfans.com/2070423.001/toyota-camry-production-begins-in-indiana

[diigii]

I read somewhere the Toyota bought Subaru so it can use the excess capacity at Subaru's Indiana plant to build Camrys. Not sure if this is still the case with Tribeca's flying out the door...

http://www.worldcarfans.com/2070423.001/toyota-camry-production-begins-in-indiana

Yeah, I think we read the same article. That's what Toyota's business plan why iit bought GM's shares: to use the excess capacity in Subaru's Indiana plant for iits Camry line.

I just hope they don't screw the line up to affect the Subaru's coming out of there like how their Camry's are suffering from reliability issues right now.

[Raikkonen]

Yes, you post-*****, ;) you are right.

What would happen if Canadian car sales dropped to 5% levels in Nov and Dec.......wide-scale love-in across ten provinces.....:evil:


From what I remember from my Business Law course in college, deception or false advertising is against the Competition Act. But sadly, the federal government rarely prosecutes companies here. What Ford will do is to print an ad correction a week later to claim they did reasonable measures to correct the misprint on their part. But by that time, the deceipt has been done.

[Raikkonen]

OK, I will finally have a good look at Subarus on the net (a la Edmunds, of course).

[shopper-X]

Here is an article about Toyota thinking of creating a Scion version of the Tribeca. In the article they site Ikuo Mori, CEO Of Subaru mentions that Toyota's input has helped them out and the author thinks a take over is not out of the question. It's from July 2, 2007 on eGMCarTech (http://www.egmcartech.com/2007/07/02/subaru-tribeca-to-spawn-a-scion-suv/).


Subaru Tribeca to spawn a Scion SUV?

As reported before, Scion is looking to add more models to its lineup. Ever since Scion was founded in 2003, it has stayed true to offering only three models. Well now Toyota is planning to use its influence in Subaru and may rebadge a Subaru Tribeca as Scion SUV to join the tC, xB and xA.

According Automotive News, a Japanese magazine shows a picture of a Scion “xTribeca” idea in its latest issue. A spy photo shows a Tribeca-like vehicle diguised for testing with a badge on the grille that resembles Scion’s.


Since 2005, Toyota has owned an 8.7 percent stake in Subaru’s parent company, Fuji Heavy Industries. Subaru’s CEO, Ikuo Mori, has admitted that without Toyota’s input, Subaru would probably not exist. It seems now that Subaru is open to be taken over by Toyota if such an action takes place.

Subaru’s CEO also said that if Toyota does plan on aquiring Subaru from Fuji Heavy Industries, don’t expect much than just another Toyota division like Scion.

Source: Automotive News (Subscription Required)

[allknowing]

As a result of the strength of the Canadian Dollar and to support hassle-free local buying, we have introduced a Customer Loyalty Bonus as high as $2,000.00 on certain models. Contact us now for more details.
http://www.vwwaterloo.com/
$2,000 should be more like $10,000 imho.
Real quick check shows
Touareg "Starting at $50k" Cdn vw.ca
And vw.com "Starting at $39K" vw.com

[dotcalamitie]

Honestly, there doesn't seem to be a better example for supporting the creation of a true unified marketplace with a single currency. Our Canadian distribution system can not begin to compete with the American system for efficiency. We need to start asking our politicians to go to the next step beyond free trade. I have no doubt that our retailers and merchants can compete. But the fat cat distribution network needs to be eliminated. Why do we need to have a distributor in Canada when the one that serves the US could be supplying us instead of a second middleman here?

In the meantime, I'm driving around in my brand new Tribeca and smiling ear to ear.

[DrXenon]

I have imported a 2007 4Runner from US recently. It doesn't have the daytime running light (DRL). I brought it to Canadian Tire for inspection and asked them to install DRL module for me.

The technician checked the car and told me I have the DRL already. I think he doesn't really understand what DRL means. He told me that I can turn the switch to position 1 which turns parking, tail, license plate, side marker and instrument panel light on. So, my car passed the inspection and I got my license plate.

As I understand, the standard DRL on this 4Runner model is the 'Turn Signal' lights. I worry about being pulled over by plice. So, I will still go ahead to install DRL in another shop.

Has anyone installed DRL on imported 4Runner recenlty? Which light is used as DRL? Who did it? I am in GTA, Ontario. PM or post is more than welcome.

Thanks.

The law is that the manufacturer/importer must supply the vehicle with DRLs. You can disable them at will after the inspection; a police officer will have nothing to charge you with (although he might pull you over if he thinks, incorrectly, that your headlights are burned out).

For safety, though, you should have proper DRLs i.e. the low beam headlights at lower wattage.

[Dreyfus]

I was talking to a Honda sales rep (dlrshp) yesterday. Word has come down from on high on how to counter customers arguments concerning price differential US/Canada. It takes the form of a memo and among other things implies that the climate difference between the US great lakes states and Ontario is such that different materials/procedures/processes are employed in manufacturing for the 2 distinct markets.
Clearly there is concern about customer perceptions so it must be affecting sales. Are people holding back waiting for the big correction or are they buying late model used in the US. The jury is still out. As the late great P. E. Trudeau said
"no doubt fate will unfold as it should".

[Lost Horizon]

I was talking to a Honda sales rep...
Clearly there is concern about customer perceptions so it must be affecting sales. Are people holding back waiting for the big correction or are they buying late model used in the US. The jury is still out. As the late great P. E. Trudeau said
"no doubt fate will unfold as it should".

Having just come back from the front, I'd say the considerable X-border importing is a lot of New Subarus and slightly used everything else... It will be interesting to see the stats for October.

[DrXenon]

The local Volkswagen dealer here in Kingston, ON is staging a seminar on the pitfalls of importing from the US. Interesting that he's feeling the pressure too since I think Volks is one of the manufacturers whose US warranty doesn't cross the border (but correct me if I'm wrong).

[scouzi]

I was talking to a Honda sales rep (dlrshp) yesterday. Word has come down from on high on how to counter customers arguments concerning price differential US/Canada. It takes the form of a memo and among other things implies that the climate difference between the US great lakes states and Ontario is such that different materials/procedures/processes are employed in manufacturing for the 2 distinct markets.
Clearly there is concern about customer perceptions so it must be affecting sales. Are people holding back waiting for the big correction or are they buying late model used in the US. The jury is still out. As the late great P. E. Trudeau said
"no doubt fate will unfold as it should".

Canadians are not so stupid. Buffalo has tougher winters than Toronto. Northern New York and Vermont has as much snowfall. Besides the "winterization" of cars is not worth 10k. Why are lower priced cars selling at almost the same price if this is the case?

Lies are a lot worst and I hope it blows up in their faces.

I've started another thread on Oakley:

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=505021

They are blocking Canadian IP addresses to their .com site! It is redirected to oakley.ca. How stupid is that!

[smpmush]

Did anyone notice the slide in the value of our buck today! It would seem A comment by David Dodge has taken the steam from the rise of the dollar.. Interesting that no such comment came in the 90 cent to parity time frame.. Also interesting that with most manufacuters responses they alude to the fact that money markets are volitile and therefore do not factor into pricing decisions.. Could it be that maufacturers are quietly lobbing the gov. to reign in the high flying loonie.. It makes sence when you read the press statements from major companies who are being targeted for fleessing the Canadian consumer! If they can get the Bank of Canada to to drive the $ back down to the 90 cent level they can come out and use it as the basis for the higher costs etc.. It looks more and more like big business will win this PR battle one way or another.. And who better to pave the way than the Canadian government! A week ago money market guru's were predicting a $1.10 loonie by christmass and today these same guru's are predicting a 90 to 95 cent dollar by christmass.. What a difference an week of lobbying can make! ;)

[bmm34]

With the US Thanksgiving coming up (traditionally the biggest shopping day of the year) do you think there will be some attractive incentive programs by the car manufacturers?

[ymlccc]

Lots of posters here talking about importing a new Subaru over the next few months ... don't you think you'd better hurry up before Subaru USA starts refusing sales to Canadians like all the other manufacturers?

Seriously, if I were interested in a Subaru I'd be moving my butt to get it done real quick. :)
+1
This is exactly the point... act before the roof is coming down...:D

[ymlccc]

Edited.

[DrXenon]

To author of http://www.carburner.com/index.php?title=US_Border_Crossings_Information

Under Quebec, the highgate spring border export office is only open from 8:00am-4:00pm Monday to Friday. Not sure if you need to physically bring up the paperwork to them but they are one of the nicest border in Quebec so far (both US/CA).

Dude, it's a wiki. That means you can edit/correct it yourself. Just click on the "edit" tab at the top.

[dotcalamitie]

All these Subaru's coming into Canada is good for Subaru Canada. One day they'll figure that out. I would NEVER have purchased a Subaru until these Tribeca's showed up. If Subaru Canada was smart, which I doubt they are, they would knock their prices down and lead the market where it's going to go. Being a very successful businessman, there are two interesting sayings in business I've learned over the years and been taught by business people I respect...

1) We don't set the prices, the customers do.

2) We don't set the prices, the competition does.

With regards to point 2, the market lead is the one who sets the prices. When GM decides that their Canadian Escalade customers have taken it up the rear long enough, they will adjust the price. And then everyone will adjust the price. The interesting piece here is that perhaps Toyota might, just might (but I doubt it), beat them to the punch. If I were Subaru, or another lesser known name, I would step up to the plate BIG TIME and break the business mold. Why? Because if the little guy decides to become the price leader, they will get ALL the media attention and their 15 minutes of fame for making the move - headlines read "Acme Motors leads the way with parity pricing and NA wide warranty" You can't buy publicity like that. Everyone will flock to that car company.

And that is how you build a business - and a little guy becomes a big guy. Lead the market. So let's see who the market leader is in the Auto industry in Canada. It wasn't the tight wads at Porsche who have still left a 21% price difference.

[ryandk]

Thanks for the suggestion of the customs broker, but I need a US auto broker who will buy a car for me from a dealer who won't sell to Canadians.

I'm not interested in a Subaru.

Has anyone bought a new car through an auto broker in the western US?

Thanks.



The dealer that seems to have a good supply in WA is

Mike Scarff Subaru (http://www.mikescarffsubaru.com/en_US/)

I got my Legacy from Dewey Griffin, but it originated from Scarff (dealer/dealer trade). I went to Dewey because it is closer to the border, and I liked the CA (Dale Wills). Prices in both places are similar, good discounts.



I started out thinking I would use a broker, and settled on A & A. They seem to be straight up. In the end, it seemed such a straightforward thing that I took a day off and did it myself. It is an easy exercise if you use a dealer familiar with the process. Griffin had the export package folder set up, as well as all the stuff I needed for the Canadian Import side. It took 10 minutes to Export at the truck crossing, and 20 minutes to import on the Canadian side, and I was on my way up 99.

A & A Broker link (http://www.aacb.com/)

[eggshen]

Monsieurmaggot,

Thank you. I saw this thread many months ago and at first I thought it was a bit exaggerated, but found out, it isn't.

I would conservatively say I saved $4-5,000.

Monsieurmaggot , thanks to you and all the great people that have contributed to this thread making it what it is today.

I ended up buying a pre-owned 2005 Volvo XC90 from a great sales person in the Seattle area (i.e. Bellevue). Wayne at Barrier Volvo was familiar with the process and helpful throughout, and he's a Canadian citizen to boot. From my recent experiences, some of the dealers were not very enthusiastic nor helpful. He was great with both.

If anyone from the lower mainland is looking to buy a car from Washington, I have a few pages of documents I would be happy to share if you PM me. The documents cover the basics of how to find the US Customs (Highway exits, parking etc.) also some tips on storage if you can't make it across on the same day.

[scouzi]

Dude, it's a wiki. That means you can edit/correct it yourself. Just click on the "edit" tab at the top.

It's a fact. Call and check for yourself. All Vermont crossings are like that.

[Trexim]

All these Subaru's coming into Canada is good for Subaru Canada. One day they'll figure that out. I would NEVER have purchased a Subaru until these Tribeca's showed up. If Subaru Canada was smart, which I doubt they are, they would knock their prices down and lead the market where it's going to go. ..........

I did not know much about Subaru until very recently, thanks to this thread and now I seriously consider buying one. I have only driven/owned a Honda or an Acura the last 15-16 years and it's hard to break the habit. But I think I am ready for it. I just detest the way Honda treating its customer. There are much money to made after the cars been sold, the Canadian arm could certainly make lots of money on services and parts. People is certainly spreading the words about buying cars in the US and Subaru is repeatedly mentioned. That's the cheapest and most effectively form of advertising. I'll give Karl of Van Bortel call soon and let's see where it takes me ....... Wish me luck ....

[sheriffabc]

Guys:

I am going Nov 1, to pick up my Subaru. Same dealer also has Toyota dealership.

If anyone is interested in Subaru - pm me (pl provide email also as my pm box is almost full) and I will provide the dealers contact details. However, this will only apply to those RFDers who have 100+ post or have been members of RFD for 1 yr +. dont want snitches!!!

For those interested in Toyota - serious buyers only - pm me with model interested in. When I am there I will see what I can do - as I need an Avalon too. Should be willing to drive 500 miles south of Toronto - but can almost assure the best prices - beats the border dealers by a loong shot. Will email from there the details of my discussions.

[cookiemunster]

All these Subaru's coming into Canada is good for Subaru Canada. One day they'll figure that out. I would NEVER have purchased a Subaru until these Tribeca's showed up.

I agree. I hope Subaru Canada realizes that while this may cost them a few sales in the short term, that

1. Most of the people buying them from in the US wouldn't have even considered Subaru otherwise. (therefore these sales did not get 'taken away' from Cdn dealerships)

2. They will get increased traffic through their dealerships for warranty work that will be paid for by Subaru America

3. After people own a Subaru once, if they like the vehicle they will be much more apt to buy Subaru again, and surely by then either our dollar will have dropped, or prices will have adjusted.

4. They will not garner the bad will that other companies such as Toyota will.

[Acadian]

I must admit, i never considered buying a Subaru. But i've been looking a lot more at Subaru's since i've been reading this thread. US prices are unreal.

Being currently unemployed doesn't help...but as soon as i land a job, i'll be heading down to buy one. If they still sell to Canucks!

The few reviews i've read seem to say these cars are of good quality too.

[jadeboy]

Alberta Infrastructure and Transportation
===============================

A new vehicle imported into Alberta may be exempt from Alberta's inspection requirements if the title history does not indicate a flood, salvage, or non-repairable status.

Within 90 days from the date of purchase present the following documents to any Alberta Registry agent:

Bill of Sale or Lease agreement
Form 1 issued by Transport Canada
New Vehicle Information Sheet (NVIS) or State issued Title or Certificate of Origin
The Registry agent is required to physically verify and record the Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) and complete a verification document. The Alberta Registry agent will then forward all documentation to Alberta Infrastructure and Transportation for review. If all is in order Alberta Infrastructure and Transportation will issue an exemption letter to the Registry agent.

[dealcatcher]

there must be a way to change the F to C in climate Control

This link has the info on a previous Subaru Model SVX, other subaru must be designed the same way and we might have to check it out.

http://www.svx-iw.com/svxiw/article/?category=faq#_Toc482082609

[Bincent]

I agree. I hope Subaru Canada realizes that while this may cost them a few sales in the short term, that

1. Most of the people buying them from in the US wouldn't have even considered Subaru otherwise. (therefore these sales did not get 'taken away' from Cdn dealerships)

I must admit, i never considered buying a Subaru. But i've been looking a lot more at Subaru's since i've been reading this thread.

This applies to me as well. I was basically going to jump into a 2007 Santa Fe and the other options that I was looking at was Toyota Rav, Honda CRV and even GM/Pontiac Torrent when I started looking. I had no intention and didn't even think of Subaru when I first started my search (I didn't even know what the Subara SUV was lol).

Reading through this thread and hearing about the amazing prices of Subaru's and how easy it is to deal with them, I basically ruled out everyone else except for the Santa Fe. Now I've basically decided on a Subaru.

[deejayspinz]

For what its worth, I have 2 family members buying 2 Subies (together) from a dealer in Rochester. One of them is saving ~24G and the other ~15G. They are the Legacy (LL Bean ED) and one of the base model Legacy's. No joke.

[ahmad416]

Is there any agency in Canada does all the paperworks and import cars for you from the US?

[ian46]

I'm not sure where you live but:
There is a great auto broker in Oakville that will
do it all for you called Fournier Auto Sales & Leasing
(fournierleasing.ca)- good reputation & has been around for a long time.
(No, I don't work there)

Ironically, it is not far away from a large Ford Assembly plant
where they used to build the *cough* fabulous Windstar
Minivan !

As always, my personal opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of any group,
company, etc. You should do your own research first before coming
to your own opinions and conclusions.

[tico 1948]

I was talking to a Honda sales rep (dlrshp) yesterday. Word has come down from on high on how to counter customers arguments concerning price differential US/Canada. It takes the form of a memo and among other things implies that the climate difference between the US great lakes states and Ontario is such that different materials/procedures/processes are employed in manufacturing for the 2 distinct markets.
Clearly there is concern about customer perceptions so it must be affecting sales. Are people holding back waiting for the big correction or are they buying late model used in the US. The jury is still out. As the late great P. E. Trudeau said
"no doubt fate will unfold as it should".
Yeah, the Climate down here in the Maritimes causes their "specially constructed" Honda's to rust out within a few years.:eek: Maybe they're older than they appear?Of course, our lovely, healthy salt sea breezes probably don't help their different materials/proceedures/processes either. Afterall, they ARE built for life in Canada, no matter the location, right?;) They all look the same to me anyways. Most have a clonkin' big Honker of an exhaust tip/flo-thru muffler(sic) on them!:mad: A pox on them all!:twisted: IMHO their anti- corrosion only applies to their very hi-end vehicles. Everything else well, take your chances. Just my opinion.

[crasher]

Is there any agency in Canada does all the paperworks and import cars for you from the US?

All car makers have their distributors who import the car for you, and sellthrough dealers here. If you dont have time, they will probably deliver it to your home too.

[scouzi]

Alberta Infrastructure and Transportation
===============================

A new vehicle imported into Alberta may be exempt from Alberta's inspection requirements if the title history does not indicate a flood, salvage, or non-repairable status.

Within 90 days from the date of purchase present the following documents to any Alberta Registry agent:

Bill of Sale or Lease agreement
Form 1 issued by Transport Canada
New Vehicle Information Sheet (NVIS) or State issued Title or Certificate of Origin
The Registry agent is required to physically verify and record the Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) and complete a verification document. The Alberta Registry agent will then forward all documentation to Alberta Infrastructure and Transportation for review. If all is in order Alberta Infrastructure and Transportation will issue an exemption letter to the Registry agent.

Seems that they don't require Form 2.

So you can register it before Fed inspection.

[fugazi11]

Whomever was discussing a group purchase a couple of pages back, please keep me posted. I am interested in a tribeca, just have to convince the wife to get over her fear of the subaru name.

[ian46]

Found this quote on the Law Society of Upper Canada
Website in the Rules of Conduct section:

"a lawyer may seek information from any potential witness (whether under subpoena or not) but shall disclose the lawyer's interest and take care not to subvert or suppress any evidence or procure the witness to stay out of the way."

Basically, I believe it means that any Lawyer in Ontario,
acting for his client, must properly tell people like us
that he is a lawyer acting on behalf of "Acme Corp" or
whatever the person or company is.

Posting a note on a forum like this would likely apply.

Failure to properly disclose his interest upfront
could be grounds for sanctions and potential
disbarment.

All lawyers learn this in "Law School 101" , but
of course, some lawyers are tempted to ignore
this basic rule !

As always, my personal opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of any group,
company, etc. You should do your own research first before coming
to your own opinions and conclusions.

[scrolllock]

Alberta Infrastructure and Transportation
===============================

A new vehicle imported into Alberta may be exempt from Alberta's inspection requirements if the title history does not indicate a flood, salvage, or non-repairable status.

Within 90 days from the date of purchase present the following documents to any Alberta Registry agent:

Bill of Sale or Lease agreement
Form 1 issued by Transport Canada
New Vehicle Information Sheet (NVIS) or State issued Title or Certificate of Origin
The Registry agent is required to physically verify and record the Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) and complete a verification document. The Alberta Registry agent will then forward all documentation to Alberta Infrastructure and Transportation for review. If all is in order Alberta Infrastructure and Transportation will issue an exemption letter to the Registry agent.

Are you saying that in Alberta, if you import a new car you do not need Form 2 from the RIV? I have heard that Ontario seems to have the same wording and do not require form 2. Now has any one heard anything like this from my Quebec compatriots? With the provinces all doing their own thing why do we need the RIV? Sounds like a lot of duplication.

[scouzi]

Are you saying that in Alberta, if you import a new car you do not need Form 2 from the RIV? I have heard that Ontario seems to have the same wording and do not require form 2. Now has any one heard anything like this from my Quebec compatriots? With the provinces all doing their own thing why do we need the RIV? Sounds like a lot of duplication.

A small factor is price differential between US and Canada is probably due to provincial/federal duplication of duties.

[bionicbadger]

Are you saying that in Alberta, if you import a new car you do not need Form 2 from the RIV? I have heard that Ontario seems to have the same wording and do not require form 2. Now has any one heard anything like this from my Quebec compatriots? With the provinces all doing their own thing why do we need the RIV? Sounds like a lot of duplication.

No, what is says is that you don't need an out of province inspection done on the car since its a new car (otherwise all cars purchased out of province need an out of province inspection). You still need the RIV inspection for import into canada.

Also the registry office has to send a fax to Alberta Infrastructure and wait for a response. This can take a few hours so you might have to go visit the registry office twice.

[bcbud]

Do it up on SwarmBuy.com.. new site though.. :( Not much traffic.

Anyone looking for a BMW? I'm looking for a 335i in the next 1-2-3 months..


Checked out Swarmbuy.com (http://www.swarmbuy.com) and it looks like the perfect forum for the group of poeple out east wanting to buy Subaru's in Bulk. I think you need someone to start a thread, but it would be interesting to see how & if it works for purchasing vehicles.

[DSTU]

A small factor is price differential between US and Canada is probably due to provincial/federal duplication of duties.

Baloney, what about the US, all states have different requirements on licensing.

[Lost Horizon]

This applies to me as well. I was basically going to jump into a 2007 Santa Fe and the other options that I was looking at was Toyota Rav, Honda CRV and even GM/Pontiac Torrent when I started looking. I had no intention and didn't even think of Subaru when I first started my search (I didn't even know what the Subara SUV was lol).

Reading through this thread and hearing about the amazing prices of Subaru's and how easy it is to deal with them, I basically ruled out everyone else except for the Santa Fe. Now I've basically decided on a Subaru.

Same here.. Honda's for the last 15 years for my wife, then this dustup on the dollar shows up and we end up with a Subaru thinking least cost/hassle.. but now I see that it is one solid car, great layout and drives like its glued to the road... Bought initially in Bellingham for the savings, will rebuy for the quality ..

The fleet is compl33t

http://www.rceheli.com/main/Images/submw_back_small.jpg

[thien]

Seems that they don't require Form 2.

So you can register it before Fed inspection.

You have to get it inspected at CT. Then take the Form 2 with the CT stamp and showing that it passed inspection to the registry and register the car. Can't bypass the inspection.

[leafsrule06]

Spotted a new Subie Legacy on the 404 this morning around 9am....must have been just imported as it was not plated as of yet. Had my window down and was going to talk to the guy driving (Asian background I believe and maybe and RFD'er) but did not try to get his attention.

I'll be joining the ranks of successful importers soon but just have to decide where to buy from....manchester subaru is the best price I've found but not sure about such a long drive back to T.O. Anyone have any other suggestions for best deals on Subie's?

[gsuperman]

Very Nice Car Lost Horizon, looks alot like mine :)

I finally managed to upload a picture, my car is 1 week old now from VB...very happy!

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b7ce38b3127ccebeea751d4ffc00000026100KYsnLhk3Y6

[teep]

I've found a dealer in Chicago area, who is willing to sell me 07 Toyota Camry. One of my who lives in Chicago area will be vising me in Nov 1st week. He is willing to drive the car and drop here in Mississauga for me. The questions "Can he cross the border and take care of the import process?". (I think it should be possible, since brokers are able to do it, I read it in some previous posts). Any insight/suggestions.

Yes, done that. See some info on the wiki www.carburner.com

[teep]

Anyone, please tell me where the RFD help info is for putting up an image? (have hunted through all the buttons I can find; used the IMG command, but it didnt work?)

[donjuancarlos]

Hi, I'm a long time listener, first time caller.

I ran into this post on another forum about importing Honda's.


So here is a suggestion.

As mentioned, US dealership letter heads are ok.

1. talk to the parts guy, get his name, or his managers name, or a sales managers name through normal conversation.

2. buy something very inexpensive, like a key chain, oil filter, or something that you need.

3. make sure you get an invoice (most dealership invoices print it on their letter)

4. go home, type up a letter in MS word.

5. pull out your arts and crafts supply, (scissors and tape) and tape the letter head from the invoice on to your MS word produced letter. (word of advice, photo copy the invoice so you don't chop up the original cause it could take a few tries to make it look right)

6. photocopy it again, and then sign it with the name of the person from the dealership talking to the parts guy.

7. you have yourself a recall letter that says whatever you want it to say. =)

Hope that helps.



Here is the link (http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49488)

I'm planning to help my mother pick up a 1 or 2 year old Accord in the next few months. I figure I could probably do a private sale as the true dealers won't help out. I was wondering if anyone on this forum had tried this out.

[hahh]

Hi,

I am seriously considering purchasing and importing a Subaru Tribeca 2008, Limited Edition from the US.

Can someone advise which dealer(s) have the best price?

Thanks in advance.

[Kamloops]

Hi, I'm a long time listener, first time caller.

I ran into this post on another forum about importing Honda's.



Here is the link (http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49488)

I'm planning to help my mother pick up a 1 or 2 year old Accord in the next few months. I figure I could probably do a private sale as the true dealers won't help out. I was wondering if anyone on this forum had tried this out.

Create a user account with American Honda at www.ahm-ownerlink.com
Enter your USA-based VIN (it only accepts USA VINs)
Print this page
Click on the link, "Recalls"
Print this page
Take these TWO print-outs to you when you get your RIV inspection done and you're set.

pulling one from the honda website is fine.. no letterhead needed..

[leafsrule06]

Hi,

I am seriously considering purchasing and importing a Subaru Tribeca 2008, Limited Edition from the US.

Can someone advise which dealer(s) have the best price?

Thanks in advance.

Best price is from Manchester Subaru in New England area but Van Bortel in Rochester is about 700 or 800 more and so much closer. Karl at van Bortel is supposed to be great to deal with and you do no have to wire money to them, can just show up with a bank draft.

Let's do a group purchase...my buddy wants to buy a new Impreza as well. And I've seen a few others post recently that they want to buy a Subie. I'm sure if he can move 5 in one day to RFD'ers he'll give us a sweet deal. (And can pick us all up from the airport at once!!)

Let's do this!

[EL820]

What's the best deal anyone has gotten on the following from a US dealer that's close to the GTA?

2008 Subaru Tribeca 7-seater
2008 Subaru Tirbeca Limited 7-seater

Can you post up the dealer info for PM me the details?

Thanks in advance.

[shopper-X]

What's the best deal anyone has gotten on the following from a US dealer that's close to the GTA?

2008 Subaru Tribeca 7-seater
2008 Subaru Tirbeca Limited 7-seater

Can you post up the dealer info for PM me the details?

Thanks in advance.

Look one post above :arrowu: yours.

[flaming homer]

Hi,

I am seriously considering purchasing and importing a Subaru Tribeca 2008, Limited Edition from the US.

Can someone advise which dealer(s) have the best price?Best price, hands down, is Karl @ Van Bortel. However, Karl has sold his regional allotment of 2008 Tribeca's already, and you're looking at at least a 3 week wait, if not longer.

The two dealers in Buffalo (Martin @ West Herr - expensive, Betley @ Northtown - slimy) all want at least $1000 over invoice while Karl is selling it a little below invoice.

Try the other dealers in the Rochester area, I found one that had stock and sold it to me pretty much at invoice...

[dotcalamitie]

Multiline is bringing in another 8 Tribeca's I'm told from an RFD'r. We should be buying every Subaru from every dealer in the Buffalo area! Eventually, Canada will be the land of the Subaru.

[dotcalamitie]

I just got in a CBC article for my Tribeca - I'm Bob Kay from Midland

http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2007/10/23/retailers-flaherty.html?

[ecgz88]

three weeks wait? :cheesygri Is it Tribeca sell very well? I don't think so. http://www.fitzmall.com IS SELLING 1800 BELOW INVOICE!

Best price, hands down, is Karl @ Van Bortel. However, Karl has sold his regional allotment of 2008 Tribeca's already, and you're looking at at least a 3 week wait, if not longer.

The two dealers in Buffalo (Martin @ West Herr - expensive, Betley @ Northtown - slimy) all want at least $1000 over invoice while Karl is selling it a little below invoice.

Try the other dealers in the Rochester area, I found one that had stock and sold it to me pretty much at invoice...

[Tender]

Anyone, please tell me where the RFD help info is for putting up an image? (have hunted through all the buttons I can find; used the IMG command, but it didnt work?)

Image Shack:

http://www.imageshack.us/

[p110232]

I just got in a CBC article for my Tribeca - I'm Bob Kay from Midland

http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2007/10/23/retailers-flaherty.html?

Great job Bob! More publicity like this will help fuel the fire started by MonsieurMaggot.

The heat is definitely ON :cheesygri

[dotcalamitie]

it seems this cross border issue has been front page stuff for the past week. It won't go away! More people need to find this place. RFD is not well known.

[ian46]

I just got in a CBC article for my Tribeca - I'm Bob Kay from Midland

http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2007/10/23/retailers-flaherty.html?

Quote from above article:
"Retailers cite size, duties as reasons for price gap"


Lets see how the logic can work for a Car Company:

An Acura MDX built in Canada a few miles away
from my house becomes about 12K $ MORE expensive in
Canada than say in Florida ??? All because of Duties
and size ???

Can anyone explain this twisted logic ?

I can't explain it !!

I can't explain it for Bombardier either, but I think
there could be a special place in forum "Hell" for them,
but I digress...

As always, my personal opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of any group,
company, etc. You should do your own research first before coming
to your own opinions and conclusions.

[huskylord]

three weeks wait? :cheesygri Is it Tribeca sell very well? I don't think so. http://www.fitzmall.com IS SELLING 1800 BELOW INVOICE!

What exactly is this Fitzmall website?
Do they sell to Canadians and do they allow you to customize?

[shopper-X]

Quote from above article:
"Retailers cite size, duties as reasons for price gap"


Lets see how the logic works for a Car Company:

An Acura MDX built in Canada a few miles away
from my house becomes 12K $ MORE expensive in
Canada than say in Florida ??? All because of Duties
and size ???

Can anyone explain this twisted logic ?

I can't explain it !!

I can't explain it for Bombardier either, but I think
there is a special place in forum "Hell" for them,
but I digress...

The real question you should be asking is why a MDX built a few miles from your house has a Freight/PDI of $ 1,855.00 in Canada and Destination of $715.00 the US.
I know they like to hide behind wording like in Canada it's Freight + PDI (pre-delivery inspection) and in the US it's Destination. For fun let’s take the dollar at par and cost to deliver a MDX to Vancouver the same as the delivery to Florida. That means the dealer is charging $1,140 for PDI, and that to be sounds like the dealer is really hurting [sarcasium].

[whampoa]

three weeks wait? :cheesygri Is it Tribeca sell very well? I don't think so. http://www.fitzmall.com IS SELLING 1800 BELOW INVOICE!

Read it again, VB already sold out their allotment for the year. Any new order for Tribeca has to come from the factory.

Beside do you know much they are selling for in the first place.

And why are you comparing prices from New York with a dealership in Maryland?

If that's the case, I got news for you, it's also alot cheaper if you like to drive down south to Texas.

[flaming homer]

three weeks wait? :cheesygri Is it Tribeca sell very well? I don't think so. http://www.fitzmall.com IS SELLING 1800 BELOW INVOICE!

http://www.subaru.com/common/news/article_details.jsp?file=latest_news_index.xml&articleId=20071002&attrNavItemId=NEWS_LATEST_NEWS

Subaru Tribeca sales were up 19 percent with 1,730 units in September. Also up for the month were sales of the Subaru Legacy that recorded sales of 6,777 units a 5 percent increase over last year. The Subaru Outback accounted for 4,796 sales units of the Legacy line total. Subaru Forester recorded a September total of 3,746 units, while the Subaru Impreza was up 11 percent with a September record of 4,195 units for the month. The discontinued Subaru Baja also recorded 9 units in September.
So yes, they are selling well. As far as the the Fitzmall dealers selling them cheap, they do seem to be cheaper, but not $1,800 cheaper. I got a 5-Seat limited w/ NAVI, and after accounting the $2,400 difference for the NAVI package, the difference is less than $500. However, the Fitzmall price is not complete while as mine is an "out the door" price.

I also believe NY specification automobiles have "California" emissions standards - they're built differently, costs more, and have a much longer emission warranty

[blazerzr2]

Hi All,

First off, this is a great thread! Really got me thinking...
I'm looking at buying either a 2008 Subaru Tribeca Limited (5 passenger) or a 2008 Ford Escape Ltd.

There is alot of info. about the Subies, but what about the Ford? Does anyone have any pertinent info./experience on importing one of these? If so, would you know of the best dealer closest to Toronto to deal with?

Lastly, assuming you bring the vehicle across the border successfully, when it comes time to go and register the vehicle and get your plates, what taxes are you paying for and are they based on what you paid or on Canadian value equivalents?

Any help would be great, thanks alot.

Blazerzr2

[googz]

Look one post above :arrowu: yours.

Ditto. Xan at Manchester has the best prices. Yes, it's a bit more travel but it just depends what it's worth to you.

Personally, I found it worth the over $1000 difference in price to go with Xan but it's obviously a personal choice.

[reddy54]

Does anyone know if a NJ or VT in-transit plate will be allowed in Quebec?

[flaming homer]

Lastly, assuming you bring the vehicle across the border successfully, when it comes time to go and register the vehicle and get your plates, what taxes are you paying for and are they based on what you paid or on Canadian value equivalents?Quick re-cap:

- At the border, the value of your vehicle is converted to the current exchange rate as deemed by Canada Customs. All subsiquent taxes are based on this amount. At the border, you're asked to pay:
1. GST 6%
2. Duty 6.1% if car does not have a VIN number starting with a number
3. Optional: RIV Fee $209. If you choose to pay this fee at the border, you'll have to pay in via a major credit card

- At your provincial ministry of transportation office, you're asked to pay (still based on the converted amount calculated by Canada Customs at the border) any applicable PST. In Ontario's case, that's 8%

[blazerzr2]

Quick re-cap:

- At the border, the value of your vehicle is converted to the current exchange rate as deemed by Canada Customs. All subsiquent taxes are based on this amount. At the border, you're asked to pay:
1. GST 6%
2. Duty 6.1% if car does not have a VIN number starting with a number
3. Optional: RIV Fee $209. If you choose to pay this fee at the border, you'll have to pay in via a major credit card

- At your provincial ministry of transportation office, you're asked to pay (still based on the converted amount calculated by Canada Customs at the border) any applicable PST. In Ontario's case, that's 8%


Thank you for the info. homer! As for the rest of my post, any leads with regards to a good Canadian friendly Ford dealer? Thanks.

[huskylord]

Were you able to recover any U.S. state taxes when purchasing your vehicle?

[Bincent]

Quick re-cap:

- At the border, the value of your vehicle is converted to the current exchange rate as deemed by Canada Customs. All subsiquent taxes are based on this amount. At the border, you're asked to pay:
1. GST 6%
2. Duty 6.1% if car does not have a VIN number starting with a number
3. Optional: RIV Fee $209. If you choose to pay this fee at the border, you'll have to pay in via a major credit card

- At your provincial ministry of transportation office, you're asked to pay (still based on the converted amount calculated by Canada Customs at the border) any applicable PST. In Ontario's case, that's 8%

Are we able to pay the amounts that you specified above by Credit Card. If so, do you know what types of cards they accept?

[AirTimid]

Were you able to recover any U.S. state taxes when purchasing your vehicle?

Why are you paying state taxes if you're not a resident? But if for some reason you do pay, and come back to Canada, i'm pretty sure you don't get that money back, plus you'll still have to pay GST+PST.

[Trexim]

Are we able to pay the amounts that you specified above by Credit Card. If so, do you know what types of cards they accept?

RIV Web site (http://www.riv.ca/english/html/how_to_import.html)

# Canada Border Services Agency will collect your nonrefundable Registrar of Imported Vehicles' fee of $195.00 + GST in all provinces except Quebec where it is $195.00 + GST and QST.
# Payment for the RIV fee may be made directly to Canada Border Services Agency with any major credit card. Canada Border Services Agency does not accept cash or cheques for the RIV fee. If you wish to pay by cheque or money order, Canada Border Services Agency will provide you with a payment envelope which must be mailed to the Registrar of Imported Vehicles. Please note that all personal cheques will be held for ten business days in order to allow them to clear the bank. This will use up a portion of your 45 day time limit.

[diigii]

Just saw this article and had CAW Buzz Hargrove quoting. This guy is worried about his union members losing jobs that will affect his $200K salary! Wow, not bad for a union boss! :twisted:

http://money.canoe.ca/News/Other/2007/10/23/4599048-cp.html

Auto prices to drop from dollar pressure
By Julian Beltrame, THE CANADIAN PRESS

OTTAWA - North American automakers will be forced by consumer pressure to drop prices on their vehicles in Canada to reflect the greater purchasing power of the Canadian dollar, a major union leader says.

But Canadian Auto Workers president Buzz Hargrove said Tuesday it will be "unfortunate" if they do because the Big Three domestic automakers - General Motors, Ford and Chrysler - can't afford to lower prices much.

Recently, both Porsche and BMW have announced price reductions and other incentives in an effort to bring the costs of the high-end vehicles more in line for similar models in the U.S.

Hargrove said he other automakers won't have any choice but to follow suit.

"Unfortunately, I don't think the automakers have an alternative, given the publicity and given the pressures that are out there," he said. "Remember, BMW is one of the most successful, high-profit manufacturers in the world, whereas ... Ford lost $12 billion last year. That's a substantive difference in the argument, but I do believe they'll still be forced to lower their prices."

The slow pace of price declines in Canada, in contrast to the rapid appreciation of the loonie, has caused a political storm in Ottawa, with Finance Minister Jim Flaherty taking retailers to task for not responding quicker.

After plunging by 1.5 cents US on Monday, the Canadian dollar was flying high again to 103.5 cents US in trading Tuesday. It has appreciated about 23 per cent over the last six months.

The finance minister was scheduled to meet with the Retail Council of Canada and individual retailers in Ottawa later Tuesday afternoon, but Flaherty has already made it clear he does not believe many goods are priced appropriately in Canada.

Flaherty has said retailers should drop prices as soon as possible to reflect the increased purchasing power of the Canadian dollar.

"My job, really ... is to say to the retailers, 'You should move your inventory prices as quickly as you can to reflect the reality the Canadian dollar is much stronger than it was even a few months ago,' " he said.

And both Flaherty and Bank of Canada governor David Dodge have publicly urged Canadians to comparison-shop to ensure they get the best deal, although one option may be to cross-border shop.

In a release, the Canadian Manufacturers and Exporters said having prices 20 to 40 per cent higher in Canada doesn't necessarily mean consumers are getting "ripped off."

Many products being sold now were purchased months ago, when the loonie was at 84 cents US, said the group's president Jayson Myers, adding that many manufacturers set their selling prices on a yearly basis and other costs factor into the final sale price.

"Time to chill," he said.

"We need to understand that most of the goods that Canadians buy are not manufactured here in Canada at all. And we have to realize that prices reflect a lot of other costs - like wages, taxes, regulatory, materials and energy costs - not just the exchange value of the Canadian dollar."

[Trexim]

Were you able to recover any U.S. state taxes when purchasing your vehicle?

If the dealer is familiar with out-of-state sale. You shouldn't pay any states taxes at all. Call and check with the dealer.

[huskylord]

Why are you paying state taxes if you're not a resident? But if for some reason you do pay, and come back to Canada, i'm pretty sure you don't get that money back, plus you'll still have to pay GST+PST.

I'm confused. Are we talking about the same kind of tax here? If I as a Canadian resident were to go to Buffalo and purchase a DVD player, hotel room, etc the seller would charge me just as any other N.Y. state resident. But with something as large as a car purchase, is there any way to recoup the taxes collected by N.Y. state? (ie. if I were staying a certain amount of days in the U.S., or some paper work to file with the U.S.).

Sorry if this makes no sense.

Edit: post above came in before I finished this post.

[Chipbug]

In a release, the Canadian Manufacturers and Exporters said having prices 20 to 40 per cent higher in Canada doesn't necessarily mean consumers are getting "ripped off."

Many products being sold now were purchased months ago, when the loonie was at 84 cents US, said the group's president Jayson Myers, adding that many manufacturers set their selling prices on a yearly basis and other costs factor into the final sale price.

"Time to chill," he said.

"We need to understand that most of the goods that Canadians buy are not manufactured here in Canada at all. And we have to realize that prices reflect a lot of other costs - like wages, taxes, regulatory, materials and energy costs - not just the exchange value of the Canadian dollar."

The Canadian Manufacturers and Exporters must be kidding. Canadian Dollar has been above 85 cents since March and above 90 cents since May. I can hardly think of any retailers could still have inventory purchased 6 months ago. If they are moving their stocks that slow, they will be out of business soon. Of course we understand that the price will never be the same as the place of origin due to other overhead cost. But 30% to 40% difference is ridiculous. They think we are stupid or what.

[michelb]

If the dealer is familiar with out-of-state sale. You shouldn't pay any states taxes at all. Call and check with the dealer.

I'm confused. Are we talking about the same kind of tax here? If I as a Canadian resident were to go to Buffalo and purchase a DVD player, hotel room, etc the seller would charge me just as any other N.Y. state resident. But with something as large as a car purchase, is there any way to recoup the taxes collected by N.Y. state? (ie. if I were staying a certain amount of days in the U.S., or some paper work to file with the U.S.).

Sorry if this makes no sense.

Edit: post above came in before I finished this post.

Taxes are handled differently depending on the state. For the vast majority of states, as a non-resident who's being for export, you pay no tax. Some states have no tax on cars so you pay no tax in any case, some states charge full tax if the vehicle is purchased for export (e.g. Massachusetts I think) while others will not charge tax if the vehicle is delivered out of state but will charge tax if you want a temp permit (e.g. Florida I think).

Basically you need to do your homework depending on which state you are buying from.

Any tax you pay in the US will not be refunded or credited in Canada.

[huskylord]

Thank you...much appreciated.
So when people are saying Xan is offering great rates, his prices do not include the MASS taxes.

hmmm another factor to consider

[whampoa]

I'm confused. Are we talking about the same kind of tax here? If I as a Canadian resident were to go to Buffalo and purchase a DVD player, hotel room, etc the seller would charge me just as any other N.Y. state resident. But with something as large as a car purchase, is there any way to recoup the taxes collected by N.Y. state? (ie. if I were staying a certain amount of days in the U.S., or some paper work to file with the U.S.).

Sorry if this makes no sense.

Edit: post above came in before I finished this post.

In theories, Canadian are not suppose to pay any taxes if shopped in NY, varies according to each States, if shown proper ID.

But if you're going to NY just to purchase clothes, shoes and other goods. No one bother going through the process of checking for your nationalities, and they will politely ask you to pay for the good plus tax. Take it or leave it.

Now depending in which cities you're staying they might have city taxes on top of states taxes on hotel and any goods purchase within that city, for example, New York City.

Now the good news, items such as car purchase are exempt from NY state if you're not a resident of NY.

And also, I heard through the media, that in NY a purchase of an item of cloth or shoe that are $150 or less are state tax exempt too.

[flaming homer]

Are we able to pay the amounts that you specified above by Credit Card. If so, do you know what types of cards they accept?You can pay ALL taxes and fees by credit card (and earn points), I am only certain that they take Visa and MasterCard, not sure about Amex. This is true for Canada Customs, RIV Office, and Ontario Ministry of transportation

BTW: Missed another border fee - $100 Air Conditioning Tax..

[CheapScotsman]

The Canadian Manufacturers and Exporters must be kidding. Canadian Dollar has been above 85 cents since March and above 90 cents since May. I can hardly think of any retailers could still have inventory purchased 6 months ago. If they are moving their stocks that slow, they will be out of business soon. Of course we understand that the price will never be the same as the place of origin due to other overhead cost. But 30% to 40% difference is ridiculous. They think we are stupid or what.The webpage with his email address on it is here: Mail him

http://www.cme-mec.ca/national/template_na.asp?p=2

[dreaderus]

man lets see them prices drop!

im so busy at work its time consuming to plan to do the us export atm

[White Comet]

Anyone know what Acura's policy is for importing? Did anyone even import an Acura? lol...too much subbies here

*Keep me posted on the Group Buy for Subaru. I'd be interested

Also, when you import a car to Canada, Aside from the RIV fees of $209, do you pay GST only or GST + PST for Ontario?

Thanks

[eggshen]

You can pay ALL taxes and fees by credit card (and earn points), I am only certain that they take Visa and MasterCard, not sure about Amex. This is true for Canada Customs, RIV Office, and Ontario Ministry of transportation

Canada Customs (Pacific Crossing) took AMEX for the GST and duties. I was told to pay online for the RIV fee, which only took Visa and MC.

[whampoa]

http://money.canoe.ca/News/Other/2007/10/23/4599048-cp.html

Auto prices to drop from dollar pressure
By Julian Beltrame, THE CANADIAN PRESS

OTTAWA - ... In a release, the Canadian Manufacturers and Exporters said having prices 20 to 40 per cent higher in Canada doesn't necessarily mean consumers are getting "ripped off."

Many products being sold now were purchased months ago, when the loonie was at 84 cents US, said the group's president Jayson Myers, adding that many manufacturers set their selling prices on a yearly basis and other costs factor into the final sale price.

"Time to chill," he said.

"We need to understand that most of the goods that Canadians buy are not manufactured here in Canada at all. And we have to realize that prices reflect a lot of other costs - like wages, taxes, regulatory, materials and energy costs - not just the exchange value of the Canadian dollar."

Lets see if they have the same train of thought if and when the Canadian dollar go up by another 20 to 40 per cent. What would they excuse be if we don't have at least parity with the USD, taking all revelant factors into account.

So for example, if the price remain the same, instead of ripping us off by at least 25 per cent with an average vehicle purchase now. Another 20 per cent increase in the dollar mean we are been rape by 45 per cent.

[longdong]

Anyone know what Acura's policy is for importing? Did anyone even import an Acura? lol...too much subbies here

*Keep me posted on the Group Buy for Subaru. I'd be interested

Also, when you import a car to Canada, Aside from the RIV fees of $209, do you pay GST only or GST + PST for Ontario?

Thanks


On september, Honda + Acura still sold cars to canadian (but no warranty).
Since October, Honda + Acura didn't allow dealers to sell cars to Canadians and no warranty on whatever new car or used car

[jadeboy]

OK.. Transport Canada has just updated their importable vehicles.

Date: Oct 23 (Previous Oct 9)

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/VAFUS.pdf

Unfortunately...

Honda/Acura/Toyota/Lexus - NO 2008.

[crasher]

OK.. Transport Canada has just updated their importable vehicles.

Date: Oct 23 (Previous Oct 9)

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/VAFUS.pdf

Unfortunately...

Honda/Acura/Toyota/Lexus - NO 2008.

They may get included, but Nissan Altima 2008 4-door Sedan got EXLCUDED

[Louist]

How often do we need to read..."we are not getting ripped off" I beg to differ. All prices in Canada are based on a 65 cent dollar. We were getting ripped off at 80 cents let alone 103.5. Lets think of the laws of physics here...matter can not be created or destroyed.

Dollar was 65 now is 103.5 so where the &^$ did the money go? SOMEBODY has the money...who the hell has the money. Everyone needs to just plain quit spending. Buy nothing, chill for a YEAR, and this sillyness will sort itself out. There is massive margin for the undercut game to begin...zellers and wallmart had to move together or suicide for the one that didn't move...way to go wallmart.

I am prepared to put everything on hold till somebody who is making this money starts to make LESS...like I said..where the *&^$%^&% did the 40 cents on the dollar go? It is not in my pocket. Unless I refuse to spend it. Everybody claims they are not making the money and we are not getting ripped off...such BS even the amazing kreskin could figure this one out...the money has gone somewhere!

[dreaderus]

id be interested in a group buy as well

[gowings]

I passed thru the border on Thurs. afternoon(18th) and went home and paid the fee on line for the used Honda Pilot we bought. Friday I emailed the recall letter and Owners link pages along with the receipt of payment with reference # off of form 1. I phoned today the 23rd and RIv doesn't even have the copy from customs yet. Anybody hear have any info on their situation and RIV times.

[crasher]

Did anyone notice the slide in the value of our buck today! It would seem A comment by David Dodge has taken the steam from the rise of the dollar.. Interesting that no such comment came in the 90 cent to parity time frame.. Also interesting that with most manufacuters responses they alude to the fact that money markets are volitile and therefore do not factor into pricing decisions.. Could it be that maufacturers are quietly lobbing the gov. to reign in the high flying loonie.. It makes sence when you read the press statements from major companies who are being targeted for fleessing the Canadian consumer! If they can get the Bank of Canada to to drive the $ back down to the 90 cent level they can come out and use it as the basis for the higher costs etc.. It looks more and more like big business will win this PR battle one way or another.. And who better to pave the way than the Canadian government! A week ago money market guru's were predicting a $1.10 loonie by christmass and today these same guru's are predicting a 90 to 95 cent dollar by christmass.. What a difference an week of lobbying can make! ;)

What is the same guru predicting about Loonie today:D

[Bincent]

For everyone in GTA area that is interested in a Group Buy for a Subaru, I've started a thread here so that we can have all the group buy info in one place:

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5814349&posted=1#post5814349

[Yannai]

(I brought a Toyota in lat summer)

As someone in a trading business that has been struggling to manage FX exposure, I do have some sympathies for retailers. Remember:

a) The $CAD is only that much stronger relative to the $USD. Relative to other currencies the gain is not that strong, therefore it is really a case of US prices being to low not ours to high.

b) The move has been so fast that even sophisticated operations have been blindsided. It is hard to know what costs have been fixed and what are floating and what has been fixed long term and what has not. FX hedging programs may have been in place but failed to react to the move as anticiapted.

c) The auto market is unique because of all the leases out there (~50% of the last 3 years sales). If Prices were slashed 30+% it would be equivalent to 1 year of sales' worth of residual lease values 'disappearing' from the industry's books (Banks and Finance Arms of car companies).

d) Even if a large percentage is shopping abroad, cutting prices locally only helps the local dealerships. In the big picture, car companies will make more if 25% pay 30% less than if 100% pay 30% less.

e) In the end effective prices are set by your competitor, not by you. Local operations just need to realize that when the savings make the hassle more than worth it, US outlets become your competitor.

[whampoa]

(I brought a Toyota in lat summer)

As someone in a trading business that has been struggling to manage FX exposure, I do have some sympathies for retailers. Remember:

e) In the end effective prices are set by your competitor, not by you. Local operations just need to realize that when the savings make the hassle more than worth it, US outlets become your competitor.

As someone who's in the FX business. That's the most contradicting comment you've ever made. If a consumer doesn't not affect the prices but are set by the local competitor.

But if the hassle more than worth it, than the US outlets is effectively your competitor.

Questions, who made the hassle worth it in the first place?

[scrolllock]

They may get included, but Nissan Altima 2008 4-door Sedan got EXLCUDED

Did Transport Canada indicate why the 4 door Atima was excluded??

Is the 2 dr ok?

[Shaun091382]

I have finally received my title and I am trying to fax to lewiston 716-285-3565. all 12 of my attempts have failed in the last hour and a half as the fax machine is always busy. Anyone know what the deal is with this border crossing? Do they just leave the fax off the hook after 4pm or something? I can't believe it is always busy.

This sucks

[J233]

OK.. Transport Canada has just updated their importable vehicles.

Date: Oct 23 (Previous Oct 9)

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/VAFUS.pdf

Unfortunately...

Honda/Acura/Toyota/Lexus - NO 2008.

No change for GM/Saturn.....

[xsivspd]

No changes to Volvo as yet for the 2008's

[thfwong]

Can anyone who successful imported a 2008 Honda/Acura/Toyota/Lexus van or SUV manufactured after Sept 1, 2007 comment on how RIV actually verify the immobilizer in your vehicle. I received confirmation from RIV that the SUV I planning to purchase is admissible with a disclaimer that it must have a immobilizer that meet the CMVSS 114 standard. I called RIV and the guy on the phone first told me that I need a letter from the manufacturer and I told him that is unlikely that Acura would do that. Then he put me on hold for couple minutes and came back and said the inspector at Canadian Tire will check and having a immobilizer from the manufacturer should be fine.

Thanks.

[jadeboy]

OK.. Transport Canada has just updated their importable vehicles.

Date: Oct 23 (Previous Oct 9)

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/VAFUS.pdf

Unfortunately...

Honda/Acura/Toyota/Lexus - NO 2008.

OK.. the major hold out are

1. Toyota /Lexus
2. Honda/Acura
3. Volvo
4. GM

If you have to buy a new car now.. take your money and buy the other companies in the USA and take the saving.

[blazerzr2]

If anyone knows of a U.S. (close to the border) Ford dealer that is willing to deal with Canadians, please let me know. I'd like to try and import an Escape Limited as soon as possible.

Thanks again.

[cinqhoda]

All these Subaru's coming into Canada is good for Subaru Canada. One day they'll figure that out. I would NEVER have purchased a Subaru until these Tribeca's showed up. If Subaru Canada was smart, which I doubt they are, they would knock their prices down and lead the market where it's going to go. Being a very successful businessman, there are two interesting sayings in business I've learned over the years and been taught by business people I respect...

1) We don't set the prices, the customers do.

2) We don't set the prices, the competition does.

With regards to point 2, the market lead is the one who sets the prices. When GM decides that their Canadian Escalade customers have taken it up the rear long enough, they will adjust the price. And then everyone will adjust the price. The interesting piece here is that perhaps Toyota might, just might (but I doubt it), beat them to the punch. If I were Subaru, or another lesser known name, I would step up to the plate BIG TIME and break the business mold. Why? Because if the little guy decides to become the price leader, they will get ALL the media attention and their 15 minutes of fame for making the move - headlines read "Acme Motors leads the way with parity pricing and NA wide warranty" You can't buy publicity like that. Everyone will flock to that car company.

And that is how you build a business - and a little guy becomes a big guy. Lead the market. So let's see who the market leader is in the Auto industry in Canada. It wasn't the tight wads at Porsche who have still left a 21% price difference.

I totally agree with you. It would be a lot easier for Subaru of Canada if they weren't trying to compete with Acura, Infiniti and Lexus. With all due respect to all Subie owners out there, SoA has it right in that they're competing primarily with Honda, Nissan and Toyota, which is reflected in their MSRP.

I am interested in seeing what the Chinese built cars will do to the market if/when they arrive in Canada.

[Bullseye]

If anyone knows of a U.S. (close to the border) Ford dealer that is willing to deal with Canadians, please let me know. I'd like to try and import an Escape Limited as soon as possible.

Thanks again.

Van Bortel near Rochester not only has a Subaru dealership, but also a Ford one. Google it for the site. I assume they are Canadian friendly as well, but am not sure. They also have the no-haggle prices.

[Bullseye]

For myself, I brought my 08 Outback home today from Van Bortel. All smooth sailing so far! There was a big line up (luckily formed behind me!) at Lewiston US customs, and only ONE poor woman working the office in a frantic state. 15 minutes there. On to Canada customs, lots of staff there, no lines. Paid GST, got Form 1, and was on my way.

Anyone know if the NY state temp permit is even legit at all in Canada?? Can't imagine the cops here would even know what to make of it. I know my co-worker drove around for a couple weeks with his with no problem, but I'm a bit nervous about driving with it until I get properly plated.

[Lost Horizon]

Anyone know if the NY state temp permit is even legit at all in Canada?? Can't imagine the cops here would even know what to make of it. I know my co-worker drove around for a couple weeks with his with no problem, but I'm a bit nervous about driving with it until I get properly plated.

Not sure, but if you have already faxed RIV, paid online, call them (RIV) tomorrow and they will email you the form 2 instantly. Drop by CT, get 'er done and you will be plated by the time the sun sets anyway ...