WOW ---- New cars from US up to 30% cheaper (cost to import under $200)

[hqguy]

So has anyone actually successfully got a Santa Fe imported and cleared in Ontario? Is there an issue with DRL on this car?

I know for sure DRL is needed. The salesperson I spoke with at Northtown Hyundai (Buffalo) mentioned this right up front. They do it on site for customers before coming back to Canada.

I didn't ask about the child seat tether and bilingual airbag stickers though. Anyone buying a Santa Fe confirm this?

[joe friday]

If Toyota prevents me from buying in the US thinking i will be steered to my local Toyota dealer, they are wrong. Because of their attitude, it's no Toyota at all for me (Canada or US). No Mazda, Audi , Acura, Chrysler either.

+1

Right on.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Now you know why car shows such as driving tv (global) have shed a dark light on the process of importing a vehicle into Canada. They depend on Canadian Auto manufacturers to supply them with the vehicles they test. They also get flown all over the world to attend the inauguration of a new model, all on the manufacturer's expense account.

Most of these car journalists are not as impartial as they would like to be....

Furthermore, most of these car shows have long term test fleet that is supplied to them free of charge by the auto manufacturer !

As a matter of fact driving tv has a minivan supplied by Chrysler to shoot their on-road shots.

Car shows and their journalists independent...... I think NOT !

I sent a note to the Victoria dealer and the Victoria paper. Might I suggest you all do the same. Maybe tell your friends in Victoria to stop buying from the dealership (not that anyone is still foolish to still buy cars in Canada) and to cancel their subscription to the paper.

They're both listed on the article via the link in the previous threads.

Quite frankly I'm disgusted.

Just reinforces my argument against Driving TV. They failed to even post my retort when I said their stories on Importing cars were misleading.

[crasher]

I know for sure DRL is needed. The salesperson I spoke with at Northtown Hyundai (Buffalo) mentioned this right up front. They do it on site for customers before coming back to Canada.

I didn't ask about the child seat tether and bilingual airbag stickers though. Anyone buying a Santa Fe confirm this?

Bilingual Airbag sticker are only required for airbags, which needs periodic maintenance. Regular airbags dont require these label.

[crank71]

Which dealer are you using? Rally?

Nope, I called them but they couldn't do the out of province...and I only wanted to make 1 trip for the OOP and the warranty work. I still haven't heard back from them whether they got the go ahead or not...I'm calling SoA tomorrow and see what procedure is for getting warranty work done in Canada on a US car...if Sub City is screwing me around, it will be the last time I take it there...

[Kamloops]

Mr. Wheaton and Victoria Times, you both disgust me. I just purchased a Dodge Durango in Seattle and saved at least 7000.00. Also know others who have as well. Some friends just bought 3 trucks in Texas and had then shipped to Bellingham. They tried to buy here from the dealer but could not get close to the same deal. After shipping and taxes - all said and down on the 3 new trucks from a GMC Texas Dealer they saved a total of 42,000.00.

Canadians flocking to the USA is news! Its all over the news. The dealers in Canada are sticking it to us. How could Vic times fire anyone for this. Mr. Wheaton should be ashamed. The dealers themselves are bringing up used USA cars. In Kamloops BC right now there is a Used Nissan Armada on the Nissan Lot and A used Nissan Titan on the Suburu lot. The dealers both brought them in from the USA.

As for risk in buying in the USA ??? What risk no more than buying in Canada. Easy to check on cars, even have them inspected. Use Carfax and find complete history on any car. For 99 bucks they will even send someone to do a full inspection for you. US customs even checks it all out before allowing it to leave the USA. No more risk than me buying anywhere in Canada. And what risk if you are buying new from a dealer.

I have also bought 3 boats in the USA. Saved a whack of money , used them and resold for more than I paid, alot more!

How could you fire someone for putting out the truth.

This is all over the internet now. People are very mad a Victoria Times and Dave Wheaton Pontiac Buick GMC Ltd.

Mr Weaton says "I was upset with the paper for doing it because it was one person's opinion" -

It is not one persons opinion, people are saving thousands in the USA, you are just upset that they are not buying from you!

[hagbard]

I'm more disturbed by Black Press, Dave Wheaton didn't have the power to fire those journalists. Pretty much confirms they're just advertising rags, not any sort of newspaper. Which is too bad on a number of levels.

[scouzi]

Mr. Wheaton and Victoria Times, you both disgust me. I just purchased a Dodge Durango in Seattle and saved at least 7000.00. Also know others who have as well. Some friends just bought 3 trucks in Texas and had then shipped to Bellingham. They tried to buy here from the dealer but could not get close to the same deal. After shipping and taxes - all said and down on the 3 new trucks from a GMC Texas Dealer they saved a total of 42,000.00.

Canadians flocking to the USA is news! Its all over the news. The dealers in Canada are sticking it to us. How could Vic times fire anyone for this. Mr. Wheaton should be ashamed. The dealers themselves are bringing up used USA cars. In Kamloops BC right now there is a Used Nissan Armada on the Nissan Lot and A used Nissan Titan on the Suburu lot. The dealers both brought them in from the USA.

As for risk in buying in the USA ??? What risk no more than buying in Canada. Easy to check on cars, even have them inspected. Use Carfax and find complete history on any car. For 99 bucks they will even send someone to do a full inspection for you. US customs even checks it all out before allowing it to leave the USA. No more risk than me buying anywhere in Canada. And what risk if you are buying new from a dealer.

I have also bought 3 boats in the USA. Saved a whack of money , used them and resold for more than I paid, alot more!

How could you fire someone for putting out the truth.

This is all over the internet now. People are very mad a Victoria Times and Dave Wheaton Pontiac Buick GMC Ltd.

Mr Weaton says "I was upset with the paper for doing it because it was one person's opinion" -

It is not one persons opinion, people are saving thousands in the USA, you are just upset that they are not buying from you!


LOL,

Mr Wheaton doesn't understand that negative publicity costs a lot more in the long run.

Wait till Victorians start boycotting them. These little rediculous episodes only bring MORE attention to the savings in the US.

[diigii]

The weekend is almost here again. I admit I'm a bit scared of going thru the process myself as I haven't done this before. I've got butterflies since Monday when I closed the deal. And Monsieurmaggot gave me some dose of encouragement by telling me "If you have butterflies now, wait till you get back to the border with the car!" :lol:

Shout out to Canadian dealers! Another car lost to US. I'm picking up my car in 3 days! FOO!!

[okano]

How long did you have to wait until they had the car ready for you to pick it up? I've ordered a 2008 Subaru at the end of July and they still don't have it in...

same here, i have been waiting and waiting and waiting
me also from end of july
now is waiting for the certificate of origin
but that took like 2 weeks already
=/

[Kamloops]

same here, i have been waiting and waiting and waiting
me also from end of july
now is waiting for the certificate of origin
but that took like 2 weeks already
=/

You dont need certificate of origin. Its in the door jam on all cars I have ever seen

[uncle_odb]

You dont need certificate of origin. Its in the door jam on all cars I have ever seen

I think he'll still need the MSO to provide to US Customs 72 hours in advance prior to export.

[perfchris]

Can anyone who has access to the on-line rate please tell me what it is today ?

[paul29]

The TD rate is 1.0620 . Can anyone tell me the avg spread between TD Borderless and XE . One has to have an acct at XE to get the actual rate , the rates shown at XE.com are middle rates . Thanks

[perfchris]

The TD rate is 1.0620 . Can anyone tell me the avg spread between TD Borderless and XE . One has to have an acct at XE to get the actual rate , the rates shown at XE.com are middle rates . Thanks

1.068 on xe. So ,I guess TD borderless is a better rate !

The spread between xe's mid-market and trading is 1.5 %

[eastsidesubaru]

I was talking to my Brother the other night. He told me that many people living in the Iroquois to Brockville,Ontario corridor are importing new autos from the U.S. When will the Canadian Dealers learn? Maybe when it gets to the point when their sales drop off to practically nil. He also mentioned that Capital One Credit Card offers auto loans. Has anyone used Capital One to purchase a U.S. auto? I have a 2004 F-150 that goes back off-lease in Nov.07 and already the dealer is calling me wanting to know if they can put me in a new Ford product.They sure didn't give me any breaks when they wrote up the lease BACK IN '04.I was told that they were not giving anything away.They sure didn't.Now they tell me they can do much better on a new lease. I'm sure they can. From what I hear, the sales on the big trucks has "Tanked". Thanks to folks like MONSIEURMAGGOT and others who are "showing the way", I'm into buying (hopefully) a 2007 Tribeca or Outback in the U.S. Not sure which yet. We're going to use a Cdn. Subaru dealership for test drives. That's it. From what I've heard about the Cdn. dealers and their elitist attitude I don't think I'd even want to buy from them in any event.


Honestly if you like the 07 Tribeca, there are some pretty insane deals to be had on them for the ones we have left (we've got 14, most dealers have far fewer.. they are proving to be tough to get rid of). Plus the warranty is better due to the warranty change for the 08 Subarus. (You don't have to prepay.) Unless you go for an 07 outback. But availability and selection are really really limited.

[tkyoshi]

1.068 on xe. So ,I guess TD borderless is a better rate !

The spread between xe's mid-market and trading is 1.5 %

Yes, TD's Borderless rate is generally better than XE's rate. But XE does have good rates too.

[james-007]

Monsieurmaggot:

I already sent an email to Vic Times yesterday and I told that it's been on global TV 3 times. I myself imported a vehicle last year and saved 10k. Also in my email I said I hope Kevin will sue their ASS off.

[ChemicalBoy]

so what is the best way to send the funds to the dealer?

My situation would be that I would have my money in my PC chequing account, I would need to get it into US funds I doubt they can do it or they would charge I think around $20 to wire the funds to another bank but I dont know what rate would they give me.

So would it be better for me to open up a TD borderless or an XEtrade account? and link up my account there and take a bank draft down or just wire the entire amount to the dealer.

Any recommendations?

Thanx

[perfchris]

so what is the best way to send the funds to the dealer?

My situation would be that I would have my money in my PC chequing account, I would need to get it into US funds I doubt they can do it or they would charge I think around $20 to wire the funds to another bank but I dont know what rate would they give me.

So would it be better for me to open up a TD borderless or an XEtrade account? and link up my account there and take a bank draft down or just wire the entire amount to the dealer.

Any recommendations?

Thanx

Leave a deposit at the dealer with your credit card. They will reserve the car but will not actually charge your card. (ask them about that)

Get your money out of PC (do you have cheques from that account ?), open up a TD borderless account (US), open a TD CDN funds savings account, deposit the money into TD savings account. Transfer money from CDN to TD borderless account on-line.

Go to branch get yourself a bank draft in US funds (free) at TD.

Cross border with bank draft declaring the draft with e-mails showing that you are purchasing vehicle.

[spdztr]

Just got back from Buffalo with our brand new Santa Fe.

Guys, if any of you are procrastinating for any reason, let me tell you, this was simpler than buying a new car at your local dealership. The process is laid out very nicely in the other thread already so I won't get into it. Follow the steps, and you'll have no problems.

Here was my day:
8:30am Leave TO
10:00am Lewiston border (~20 min wait)
11:15am Arrive at Towne Hyundai, test drive, chit chat, paperwork, more chit chat
12:30pm Depart Towne Hyundai
1:00pm Lunch @ Appleby's.... mmmmm :cheesygri
1:40pm Arrive US Customs
1:41pm Depart US Customs (yes, it did only take one minute. She didn't even look at the car, just stamped the title certificate after finding our paperwork.)
1:43pm Arrive Canadian border - 2 minute wait at the border
1:45pm Arrive Canadian Customs - filled out Form 1, paid GST (exchange rate at 1.0568 - even better than what I exchanged money at yesterday (1.0591)) and RIV fee, and we were on our way back!
1:50 Depart Canadian Customs!
4:00pm Home!

It really was THAT easy.

I got home, emailed the recall clearance to RIV, and I'm waiting for Form 2 now. Hopefully they'll send it today so I can get the certification done tomorrow.

Total savings on the car is about $6000, but I haven't added everything up yet because I've yet to pay PST. I'll update once it's done.

Here's our new baby:
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1320/1225798932_cbefe1f125.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1257/1224938501_0fe6ce9775.jpg

[perfchris]

Did you get them to install the DRL on it ? Do you have details on the parts that it requires and the installation process?

[paul29]

so what is the best way to send the funds to the dealer?

My situation would be that I would have my money in my PC chequing account, I would need to get it into US funds I doubt they can do it or they would charge I think around $20 to wire the funds to another bank but I dont know what rate would they give me.

So would it be better for me to open up a TD borderless or an XEtrade account? and link up my account there and take a bank draft down or just wire the entire amount to the dealer.

Any recommendations?

Thanx
The US Customs at the border point you are going to use to return , has to have the certificate of title or new car docs for at least 72hrs ,so the best way is to wire the funds or use Fedex / Purolator / Xpresspost to send your bank draft to the dealer , they will then ( if they know the procedure ) send the docs to the appropiate border crossing . After the 72hrs passes you can go pick up your vehicle and proceed to the border

[spdztr]

Did you get them to install the DRL on it ? Do you have details on the parts that it requires and the installation process?

No, the DRL issue is still outstanding. I'm hoping to go to CT tomorrow and see what they do when I'm actually there. If not, I have a friend who does alarm/audio installs, and he'll do some wiring for me.

CT also said (when I was there yesterday) that they can do the rest of the cert - w/o the DRL -, and I can go back in once that's done so they can sign off on it.

[5136440]

No, the DRL issue is still outstanding. I'm hoping to go to CT tomorrow and see what they do when I'm actually there. If not, I have a friend who does alarm/audio installs, and he'll do some wiring for me.

CT also said (when I was there yesterday) that they can do the rest of the cert - w/o the DRL -, and I can go back in once that's done so they can sign off on it.

Congrats! Someone mentioned in the thread that you could go to RIV office in Etobicoke to submit the recall letter and pay RIV fee at the same time then they would issue Form 2 right way. Can anyone confirm this is the best way to do instead of paying RIV fee at the boader and waiting for Form 2?

[yyz2hkg]

Congrats! Someone mentioned in the thread that you could go to RIV office in Etobicoke to submit the recall letter and pay RIV fee at the same time then they would issue Form 2 right way. Can anyone confirm this is the best way to do instead of paying RIV fee at the boader and waiting for Form 2?


Yes, you can do that...I didn't wait the full 10 days, but a day later, I called to confirm they had my Form 1 on file, went to the office located at:

REGISTRAR OF IMPORTED VEHICLES
405 THE WEST MALL
SUITE 500
TORONTO ON M9C 5K7

Waited 10 mins and had my Form 2.

[j0yb0y]

I'm waiting my 72 hours now, this is the basic procedure I went through for crossing at Champlain/Lacolle (new york, near montreal) for a private sale, removing some of the ambiguities I got from other posters:

1) attempt to get the oem recall letter - still a question since it is a Mini and BMW are pricks, etc. I shouldn't've wasted time on this before getting the other steps done.

2) Get the funds to the owner. I used a money order from TD. (@1.07 I believe) He signed over the Certificate of Title and provided a handwritten receipt. (Normally NY State requires that a specific form is used as a sales receipt but since I'm not paying NY state taxes this was unnecessary.)

3) Get proof of insurance, which shows VIN, car description, my name, policy #, etc. It was faxed to my by my insurance company. Incidentally they noted that getting insurance for a car being brought in from the states was unusual, and that I will have to call them back with more info when I receive the quebec tags.

4) go to NYS DMV (I went to the Clinton County DMV in Plattsburgh, NY). Fill out the form for the Transit permit to take the vehicle out of NY. Show title, proof of insurance, sales bill (briefly), quebec drivers license, my visa card. Get the transit permit which will go in the window of the car when driving. It is valid until September 22nd.

5) Make a photocopy of the sales bill, also get two copies, front and back of the title for US Exports.

6) Stop at US Exports, give them the original title, the two copies of the title, the copy of the sales bill. Get a receipt indicating the time I can return with the car. I'll get the title back when I present the car.

If the paperwork is completed before 11am you get credit for that day, e.g. I could've picked it up tuesday:!: After 11am I need to wait until wednesday.

Oh, Champlain does NOT accept faxes at all. Also the people who answered the main Champlain line did not tell me about the need for the copies.

So basically I'm at the RIV part on wednesday. I need to see if what I have is enough or whether I need the BMW blackmail recall letter. It doesn't help that there are NO recalls listed against my year and model. :mad:

[joe friday]

Congrats! Someone mentioned in the thread that you could go to RIV office in Etobicoke to submit the recall letter and pay RIV fee at the same time then they would issue Form 2 right way. Can anyone confirm this is the best way to do instead of paying RIV fee at the boader and waiting for Form 2?

I don't think that this is correct. As yyz2hkg said, you can attend at the RIV office in person to get your Form 2 quicker, but I think that you still need to pay the RIV fee at the border. I think that other people have mentioned that they have called RIV to confirm that they have Form 1, and have had RIV email them Form 2 right away instead of waiting.

[chadw01]

I don't think that this is correct. As yyz2hkg said, you can attend at the RIV office in person to get your Form 2 quicker, but I think that you still need to pay the RIV fee at the border. I think that other people have mentioned that they have called RIV to confirm that they have Form 1, and have had RIV email them Form 2 right away instead of waiting.

You do not have to pay the RIV fee at the border - once you get your Form 1 you can go directly to the RIV office and get your Form 2 and pay there on the spot. They'll give you a Form 2 which you then take to Canadian Tire - after you get Form 2 filled out by Cdn Tire and they stamp Form 1, you can go get your plates. I don't know why people are doing all this waiting when you can do it all (okay if you have time) in one day. Just plan it out, and you'll be fine.

[joe friday]

I don't know why people are doing all this waiting when you can do it all (okay if you have time) in one day.

Well, perhaps not everyone lives in Toronto... :twisted:

[chadw01]

Well, perhaps not everyone lives in Toronto... :twisted:

Well in that case, it sucks to be you ;)

[scouzi]

Here's someone that was pulled over with an imported 8.


http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?p=2028167#post2028167

[spdztr]

Here's someone that was pulled over with an imported 8.


http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?p=2028167#post2028167

Good to know, I don't have my Form 1 in the car... will put it in now!
I probably won't have the car inspected until some time next week anyway.

[CCT2]

If my US friend buys a new car and registers it under his/her name in US and then I buy this car from him/she some time after, do I need pay Ontario PST (8%) when I register it in Ontario?

[spdztr]

If my US friend buys a new car and registers it under his/her name in US and then I buy this car from him/she some time after, do I need pay Ontario PST (8%) when I register it in Ontario?

Yes, no different from buying a used car in Canada. When you register for your Ontario plates, you pay the PST.

[okano]

Yes, no different from buying a used car in Canada. When you register for your Ontario plates, you pay the PST.

what if his friend sell a new G37 to him for 100CAD??
lol

[Monsieurmaggot]

what if his friend sell a new G37 to him for 100CAD??
lol

They could give you the car for free.

You will pay PST and GST based on book value anyway.

The only way around this is to get into the grey area relating to family sales.

The government stopped the $1 sale loophole years ago.

[vr6man25]

could you please tell us more info on your santa fe model
and how much you paid and saved.
thanks..
Just got back from Buffalo with our brand new Santa Fe.

Guys, if any of you are procrastinating for any reason, let me tell you, this was simpler than buying a new car at your local dealership. The process is laid out very nicely in the other thread already so I won't get into it. Follow the steps, and you'll have no problems.

Here was my day:
8:30am Leave TO
10:00am Lewiston border (~20 min wait)
11:15am Arrive at Towne Hyundai, test drive, chit chat, paperwork, more chit chat
12:30pm Depart Towne Hyundai
1:00pm Lunch @ Appleby's.... mmmmm :cheesygri
1:40pm Arrive US Customs
1:41pm Depart US Customs (yes, it did only take one minute. She didn't even look at the car, just stamped the title certificate after finding our paperwork.)
1:43pm Arrive Canadian border - 2 minute wait at the border
1:45pm Arrive Canadian Customs - filled out Form 1, paid GST (exchange rate at 1.0568 - even better than what I exchanged money at yesterday (1.0591)) and RIV fee, and we were on our way back!
1:50 Depart Canadian Customs!
4:00pm Home!

It really was THAT easy.

I got home, emailed the recall clearance to RIV, and I'm waiting for Form 2 now. Hopefully they'll send it today so I can get the certification done tomorrow.

Total savings on the car is about $6000, but I haven't added everything up yet because I've yet to pay PST. I'll update once it's done.

Here's our new baby:
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1320/1225798932_cbefe1f125.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1257/1224938501_0fe6ce9775.jpg

[diigii]

I was renewing my car's registration this morning at St Clair and McCowan area. I saw a 2008 Subara Tribeca with Van Bortel Subaru plate frame parked outside. I saw the lady owner and I asked her how the process went at the border. She said it was so easy! Hearing it from personally from a person physically standing in front of me somehow made me lose the butterflies. :cheesygri

[TorontoEh]

could you please tell us more info on your santa fe model
and how much you paid and saved.
thanks..

cool....very nice...which other thread is he talking about? the santa fe car post above?

1 more month before I go and buy my Suby in NY :) Can't wait

[TorontoEh]

and one of my neighbors just got a 2006 Honda Accord with NY Temp license plate in his driveway :) need to ask him Q's and find out if it was RFD effect :)

[zonie]

Can one buy a US Toyota Extended Care Protection Warranty on a Canadian purchased & registered Toyota?

It's a lot cheaper (http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.ef071a2/3017?@507.Iuo0aOtbh7U@).

[tico 1948]

I've recently heard that the U.S. warranty on vehicles imported into Canada carries the warranty in miles not kilometers. If that is true,then a 3yr. 60,000 km. basic warranty becomes 3yr. 60,000 "mile"basic warranty. If you do a lot of driving,thats a whole bunch of extra distance you can drive in that 3 years. If my math is correct, 60,000 km.x0.6= 36,000 miles. Subtract that from 60,000 miles, that equals 24,000 bonus driving miles in the first 3 yrs.Take that on top of the price savings, wow.:D Can anyone confirm this or is it just wishful thinking?

[Rehan]

Just wishful thinking. :) A vehicle sold with a 3yr/60000km warranty in Canada would have a 3yr/36000mi warranty when sold in the US. 36k miles = 57.9k km....so you actually lose a couple thousand kilometers.

[tico 1948]

Oh Well, at least you still save a bunch of $$$$.:) BTW,we went for a test drive at a Maritime Subaru Dealership yesterday, took out a 2008 Tribeca. Nice vehicle but we found it to have some hesitation when you gun it to enter the main highway from an on ramp. Was that just us or is that a characteristic of the Boxer engine? Other than that, we found everything else to be first class. The engine hesitation is not a big deal, just something to get used to. It may not do that if you use the manual mode in the transmission. We didn't use the manual aspect because my wife was driving at the time and dosen't care for manual.Back at the Dealership,I asked the Salesperson and the Business/Sales Manager where the Tribeca fit in with reference to the Cdn. Gov't. gas guzzler levy. They couldn't tell us. They couldn't even tell what the Tribeca's average fuel consumption per 100 km. was.They didn't even appear to know about the Rebates or when the Levy kicked in. Hmmm, kinda makes one wonder about the folks a this dealership.>:(

[chadw01]

I've recently heard that the U.S. warranty on vehicles imported into Canada carries the warranty in miles not kilometers. If that is true,then a 3yr. 60,000 km. basic warranty becomes 3yr. 60,000 "mile"basic warranty. If you do a lot of driving,thats a whole bunch of extra distance you can drive in that 3 years. If my math is correct, 60,000 km.x0.6= 36,000 miles. Subtract that from 60,000 miles, that equals 24,000 bonus driving miles in the first 3 yrs.Take that on top of the price savings, wow.:D Can anyone confirm this or is it just wishful thinking?

I've been asking about this specifically, and although I like your optimism, I highly doubt Toyota Canada would give you any extra miles for importing a vehicle from the States.. the US warranty is 3 yrs/36,000 miles which equates to 3 yrs/57936.384 kilometres.. so more or less the same (you actually lose 2063.616 kilometres!).

I would like to know for those who have imported Toyota's, did you purchase an extended warranty? Is the US extended care plan (ECP) valid up here?

[okano]

They could give you the car for free.

You will pay PST and GST based on book value anyway.

The only way around this is to get into the grey area relating to family sales.

The government stopped the $1 sale loophole years ago.

so let's say you bought a car in the states for 20k USD
and if the same car is selling at 35kCAD, which taxes value do you pay?
and what if that model is not available in canada?

[spdztr]

could you please tell us more info on your santa fe model
and how much you paid and saved.
thanks..

I got the AWD Limited, with the Premium package. I got it for 800 below invoice ($26,300 OTD).


cool....very nice...which other thread is he talking about? the santa fe car post above?


http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=477998

Some other questions I got via PM that I thought I'd answer here to help others:
1. Could you just drive off the lot after making the payment, or did you book ahead etc and they had the car ready all prepped up?
I was in touch with the salesrep via email, and told her in advance when we'd be coming down. When we got there, the car was prepped and ready to go. She even let us go for a test-drive first to ensure everything was alright. After that, it was a bunch of paperwork, and then we were off.

2. Plates - what plated u used to drive to border
Dealer provides temporary NY "in-transit" plates, which are good for 30 days (even in Ontario).

3. Insurance - how did you arrange insurance
The dealer provides the VIN number ahead of time, which you provide to your insurance company. They emailed me a temporary insurance slip, which I forwarded to the salesrep. No problems at all there. In fact, the '07 Santa Fe is cheaper to insure than my '98 Pathfinder!! The rep was very appreciative of the fact that I provided all the information up front (i.e. importing from the US, etc) - I even sent him a link to this thread - and as long as their system accepted the VIN number, there shouldn't be a problem.

4. What do you estimate you saved
I haven't done the math yet since I have yet to pay the PST portion and the cost to wire for the DRL (hopefully minimal). I estimate $6000-$7000 in savings.

[drayog]

For those of you that purchased this vehicle, can you pm me some info on it ? Price paid to your canadian driveway, after all costs. Also how do you find the vehicle. Looking to pick one up this week. Thanks

[Nitroman]

Has anyone gone through the process of asking an Amerifriend to purchase it first and then transfer ownership? How does the sales tax go, if he already paid sales tax, then will I have to pay it again? Also, is it OK to just do a name transfer or does it actually have to be a "sale"? Also wondering how does insurance work, does the Amerifriend have to buy insurance? Thanks.

[Rehan]

The friend would pay the state+local tax in the US, and you would have to pay GST when you cross the border and PST when you register it in your province. You would both need to get temporary state permits. I'm guessing you could avoid having him buy insurance if the "sale" to you is done in the parking lot of the dealership, so that it never goes on the road under his ownership.

[rgc97]

I bought a 100K (miles) 6 yr Platinum Extended Care Plan with my Sienna XLE this past May. It's good in US & Canada. Zero deductible, and covers EVERYTHING except the usual wear/tear. It lists at $1500 and I paid $940. You can find a lot about Sienna ECPs over on SiennaClub.org. Some people report paying as low as $750.

Since the Sienna comes with 3 yr/36K (miles), and we put about 18K (miles) on per year, this ECP gives us 4 yrs/64K extra coverage. With all the electronics and power equipment on the XLE, it provides us with 'peace of mind' for a known cost. While I was picking up our Sienna, I heard a customer complain about a $875 charge to repair a power side door. One major problem will pay for the extended warranty. And if we never use it, that's still fine.

I would like to know for those who have imported Toyota's, did you purchase an extended warranty? Is the US extended care plan (ECP) valid up here?

[TorontoEh]

I got the AWD Limited, with the Premium package. I got it for 800 below invoice ($26,300 OTD).




http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=477998

Some other questions I got via PM that I thought I'd answer here to help others:
1. Could you just drive off the lot after making the payment, or did you book ahead etc and they had the car ready all prepped up?
I was in touch with the salesrep via email, and told her in advance when we'd be coming down. When we got there, the car was prepped and ready to go. She even let us go for a test-drive first to ensure everything was alright. After that, it was a bunch of paperwork, and then we were off.

2. Plates - what plated u used to drive to border
Dealer provides temporary NY "in-transit" plates, which are good for 30 days (even in Ontario).

3. Insurance - how did you arrange insurance
The dealer provides the VIN number ahead of time, which you provide to your insurance company. They emailed me a temporary insurance slip, which I forwarded to the salesrep. No problems at all there. In fact, the '07 Santa Fe is cheaper to insure than my '98 Pathfinder!! The rep was very appreciative of the fact that I provided all the information up front (i.e. importing from the US, etc) - I even sent him a link to this thread - and as long as their system accepted the VIN number, there shouldn't be a problem.

4. What do you estimate you saved
I haven't done the math yet since I have yet to pay the PST portion and the cost to wire for the DRL (hopefully minimal). I estimate $6000-$7000 in savings.

Wow...thanks buddy, didnt even know there was a nice thread like this

[sonic19982]

I’m interested in importing a Sienna from the US and I was hoping someone could help me out. I found a dealer willing to sell to me but I’m worried about the registration issue. How did those of you without US addresses get around the registration process (most dealers won’t sell unless you have a US address) since Toyota requires it for to register the car to their computers. Do any of you have any problems with your Toyota warranty?

[ecgz88]

I think the US Extended Care Plan not work in Canada, maybe you can double check

I bought a 100K (miles) 6 yr Platinum Extended Care Plan with my Sienna XLE this past May. It's good in US & Canada. Zero deductible, and covers EVERYTHING except the usual wear/tear. It lists at $1500 and I paid $940. You can find a lot about Sienna ECPs over on SiennaClub.org. Some people report paying as low as $750.

Since the Sienna comes with 3 yr/36K (miles), and we put about 18K (miles) on per year, this ECP gives us 4 yrs/64K extra coverage. With all the electronics and power equipment on the XLE, it provides us with 'peace of mind' for a known cost. While I was picking up our Sienna, I heard a customer complain about a $875 charge to repair a power side door. One major problem will pay for the extended warranty. And if we never use it, that's still fine.

[thien]

I’m interested in importing a Sienna from the US and I was hoping someone could help me out. I found a dealer willing to sell to me but I’m worried about the registration issue. How did those of you without US addresses get around the registration process (most dealers won’t sell unless you have a US address) since Toyota requires it for to register the car to their computers. Do any of you have any problems with your Toyota warranty?


Warranties should be honoured in Canada. I'm in the process of buying two 2007 Siennas from the US. The dealer says no problem selling to me. We agreed on a price including rebate (OTD price), I paid the deposit, he gets the paperwork ready to send me and then tells me that he just found out that the $1500 rebate is only for US residents. I told him to double check because that's BS! Waiting to see what he finds out. If I don't get that rebate, gonna cancel the deal, get my deposit back and go buy a Subaru. Any Subaru dealers out there close to Alberta or BC, message me. If this Sienna deals doesn't fall through, I'm looking to buy a 2007 2.5X + Prem Pkg Forester (automatic) this week.:confused:

[spdztr]

Warranties should be honoured in Canada. I'm in the process of buying two 2007 Siennas from the US. The dealer says no problem selling to me. We agreed on a price including rebate (OTD price), I paid the deposit, he gets the paperwork ready to send me and then tells me that he just found out that the $1500 rebate is only for US residents. I told him to double check because that's BS! Waiting to see what he finds out. If I don't get that rebate, gonna cancel the deal, get my deposit back and go buy a Subaru. Any Subaru dealers out there close to Alberta or BC, message me. If this Sienna deals doesn't fall through, I'm looking to buy a 2007 2.5X + Prem Pkg Forester (automatic) this week.:confused:

If you're looking at the Forester, remember that the following cars are INADMISSABLE to be imported:

SEPTEMBER 2007 AND NEWER
FORESTER 2.5X, FORESTER SPORTS
2.5X, FORESTER 2.5X WITH PREMIUM
PACKAGE, FORESTER 2.5X L.L. BEAN

[Monsieurmaggot]

...And there`s duty on a Forester too.

[bionicbadger]

If you're looking at the Forester, remember that the following cars are INADMISSABLE to be imported:

SEPTEMBER 2007 AND NEWER
FORESTER 2.5X, FORESTER SPORTS
2.5X, FORESTER 2.5X WITH PREMIUM
PACKAGE, FORESTER 2.5X L.L. BEAN

Thats manufacture date of those cars. You wont see them on the lots until at least october

[spdztr]

Thats manufacture date of those cars. You wont see them on the lots until at least october

True, but something to be aware of in case the deal gets delayed.

[chadw01]

Warranties should be honoured in Canada. I'm in the process of buying two 2007 Siennas from the US. The dealer says no problem selling to me. We agreed on a price including rebate (OTD price), I paid the deposit, he gets the paperwork ready to send me and then tells me that he just found out that the $1500 rebate is only for US residents. I told him to double check because that's BS! Waiting to see what he finds out. If I don't get that rebate, gonna cancel the deal, get my deposit back and go buy a Subaru. Any Subaru dealers out there close to Alberta or BC, message me. If this Sienna deals doesn't fall through, I'm looking to buy a 2007 2.5X + Prem Pkg Forester (automatic) this week.:confused:


That's BS.. the rebate is for anyone, not just US citizens - depending on which state you try and buy from, you could get up to $2000.

[RACEFACE]

From Toyota Canada:

We would like to take this opportunity to advise you that Toyota's Extra-Care Protection (ECP) must be purchased from a Toyota dealership. It can only be purchased for vehicles sold from a Canadian Toyota dealership the same day as they are sold. As such, you cannot purchase a Canadian ECP policy on a vehicle imported from the United States.

Bummer.

[shopper-X]

From Toyota Canada:

We would like to take this opportunity to advise you that Toyota's Extra-Care Protection (ECP) must be purchased from a Toyota dealership. It can only be purchased for vehicles sold from a Canadian Toyota dealership the same day as they are sold. As such, you cannot purchase a Canadian ECP policy on a vehicle imported from the United States.

Bummer.

Anyone know if Subaru offers any type of ECP and if it's vaild in Canada if bought in the USA?

[chadw01]

From Toyota Canada:

We would like to take this opportunity to advise you that Toyota's Extra-Care Protection (ECP) must be purchased from a Toyota dealership. It can only be purchased for vehicles sold from a Canadian Toyota dealership the same day as they are sold. As such, you cannot purchase a Canadian ECP policy on a vehicle imported from the United States.

Bummer.

That's funny.. I just called both Toyota Canada and Toyota USA and they said the exact opposite of one another:

Toyota Canada (1-888-869-6828) - we honour your base warranty on US imports, but no extended warranties (ECP) on US-purchased vehicles..

Toyota USA (1-800-228-8559)- we honour your base and extended warranty (called Toyota Extra Care) in both the US and Canada..

..uh, yeah.. well, I'm more inclined to believe Toyota USA on this one..

[jrvic]

The friend would pay the state+local tax in the US, and you would have to pay GST when you cross the border and PST when you register it in your province. You would both need to get temporary state permits. I'm guessing you could avoid having him buy insurance if the "sale" to you is done in the parking lot of the dealership, so that it never goes on the road under his ownership.

The friend needs to show proof of insurance to register the vehicle. However, he/she can "pretend" to buy the insurance, then cancel it immediately after the deal is complete.
Also the friend can lend the original plate on the vehicle for the few days it takes to export/import , so there is no need to get a temp plate for anyone.

[bionicbadger]

Anyone know if Subaru offers any type of ECP and if it's vaild in Canada if bought in the USA?

I emailed Subaru earlier and asked about this.
You can buy the US extended warranty and it will honored the same way as the regular warranty (pay first and get reimbursed from Subaru USA).
Hello Mr. bionicbadger:

Thank you for your patience and even moreso for your question. I had to get a couple of people involved to make sure that the information was correct. The policy with regards to Added Security Warranty services and claims would be the same as with the standard warranties on our 2008 vehicles. Any warranty services, including those under a Added Security Plan would either need to be completed at a dealership in the US free of cost to you or at a Canadian dealership where you pay for the services and send us the paperwork and receipts for reimbursement.

Thank you for the opportunity to be of assistance. If you need any future assistance, please let us know.

Best wishes,

John J. Mergen
Subaru of America, Inc.

[LoveRFD]

I got the AWD Limited, with the Premium package. I got it for 800 below invoice ($26,300 OTD).




http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=477998

Some other questions I got via PM that I thought I'd answer here to help others:
1. Could you just drive off the lot after making the payment, or did you book ahead etc and they had the car ready all prepped up?
I was in touch with the salesrep via email, and told her in advance when we'd be coming down. When we got there, the car was prepped and ready to go. She even let us go for a test-drive first to ensure everything was alright. After that, it was a bunch of paperwork, and then we were off.

2. Plates - what plated u used to drive to border
Dealer provides temporary NY "in-transit" plates, which are good for 30 days (even in Ontario).

3. Insurance - how did you arrange insurance
The dealer provides the VIN number ahead of time, which you provide to your insurance company. They emailed me a temporary insurance slip, which I forwarded to the salesrep. No problems at all there. In fact, the '07 Santa Fe is cheaper to insure than my '98 Pathfinder!! The rep was very appreciative of the fact that I provided all the information up front (i.e. importing from the US, etc) - I even sent him a link to this thread - and as long as their system accepted the VIN number, there shouldn't be a problem.

4. What do you estimate you saved
I haven't done the math yet since I have yet to pay the PST portion and the cost to wire for the DRL (hopefully minimal). I estimate $6000-$7000 in savings.

$26,300 on the road? Does it include the gst+pst you have to pay in Canada? My 2wd Tucson costs me $30k CAD! I feel being ripped off so much!!!:mad:

My next car will be from US for sure.......

[spdztr]

$26,300 on the road? Does it include the gst+pst you have to pay in Canada? My 2wd Tucson costs me $30k CAD! I feel being ripped off so much!!!:mad:

No, the price doesn't include taxes. My estimate of the breakdown is:

$26,300US = $27793.84CAN (using 1.0568 when I crossed the border)
+14% = $31,684.98.

So basically my Canadian total cost at the end of it all will be $32,000, including the RIV fee and gas. I think the $2K b/w your 2wd Tucson and my fully loaded 4wd Santa Fe is worth it :cheesygri .

[whampoa]

The friend needs to show proof of insurance to register the vehicle. However, he/she can "pretend" to buy the insurance, then cancel it immediately after the deal is complete.
Also the friend can lend the original plate on the vehicle for the few days it takes to export/import , so there is no need to get a temp plate for anyone.

Call me naive but I really like to know how your friend pretend to buy the insurance.

Don't they have to look for an original copy of the insurance policy number and verify through the insurance company, or do you actually think the dealership would just take your word for it?

Putting aside the insurance and the vehicle plate, you're really playing roulette with this scheme of yours.

What happened if you are in an accident or pulled over by an officer?

[MooseTits]

Just an FYI for moto enthusiasts in AB. I called Big Sky Harley in Great Falls, MT and they told me it was "illegal" to sell a new Harley to Canadians because would "hurt their Canadian business if everyone came down there to buy Harleys".

I could be wrong but I think when buying a HD, you're paying mostly for the name so it shouldn't be difficult for the Canadian dealerships to adjust their prices to more closely reflect the change in the strength of the CAD $.

Might have to get a crotch rocket now. :razz:

... or this bad-ass guy for almost half the price of the Harley:

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/photos/stu-vmaxp-ro-to-06.jpg
2008 Yamaha Star V-Max

[ChemicalBoy]

Warranties should be honoured in Canada. I'm in the process of buying two 2007 Siennas from the US. The dealer says no problem selling to me. We agreed on a price including rebate (OTD price), I paid the deposit, he gets the paperwork ready to send me and then tells me that he just found out that the $1500 rebate is only for US residents. I told him to double check because that's BS! Waiting to see what he finds out. If I don't get that rebate, gonna cancel the deal, get my deposit back and go buy a Subaru. Any Subaru dealers out there close to Alberta or BC, message me. If this Sienna deals doesn't fall through, I'm looking to buy a 2007 2.5X + Prem Pkg Forester (automatic) this week.:confused:

Hey Thien,
I was in touch with east side subaru talk to Zach there he will most probably give you the best deal, I am also in Alberta and am planning to get a subaru outback from him, just waiting for my money to arrive and make a deal with him. The only thing is you have to go to Kirkland Washington to pick it up.
Personally I like the subaru rather than the toyota.

Here is his info
Zachary Bridge
Assistant Internet
Eastside Subaru
Kirkland, WA
425-823-3906
You can also talk to Becca if i'm not here.

[CCT2]

Yes, no different from buying a used car in Canada. When you register for your Ontario plates, you pay the PST.

As my experiece, I did not pay Ontario PST (8%) when I bought my car from a private owner in Canada. The Ontario PST is only for purchases from dealers. My question is that: Does this apply to purchases from private US owners?

[Rehan]

As my experiece, I did not pay Ontario PST (8%) when I bought my car from a private owner in Canada. The Ontario PST is only for purchases from dealers. My question is that: Does this apply to purchases from private US owners? You do pay the PST (when you register the vehicle) if you buy privately within Canada. But you don't pay GST.

If you're importing from the US, regardless of whether it is new or used or dealer sale or private sale, you pay GST at the border and PST when you register in the province.

[shopper-X]

I emailed Subaru earlier and asked about this.
You can buy the US extended warranty and it will honored the same way as the regular warranty (pay first and get reimbursed from Subaru USA).

Thanks. I'm buying a 2007, so I'll contact them to see if I would have to pay first or not.

[Blude]

Can someone help me. I'm currently looking at buying a luxury car from the USA and importing it back here to Vancouver, but it's not a brand new car. Is carfax the only way to check the title and history of a US vehicle for accidents, damage reports, salvage titles, etc... or are there other methods also? Where would I go to check on liens and such as well. It's going to cost a lot of money, though still cheaper than here and I want to be safe and not having to find out after the purchase that I've been mislead. Any information would be appreciated. I'm looking at 3 different cars, one from Seattle, 2nd from Arizona and 3rd from California.

Thanks!

[jrvic]

Call me naive but I really like to know how your friend pretend to buy the insurance.

Don't they have to look for an original copy of the insurance policy number and verify through the insurance company, or do you actually think the dealership would just take your word for it?

Putting aside the insurance and the vehicle plate, you're really playing roulette with this scheme of yours.

What happened if you are in an accident or pulled over by an officer?

Progressive will fax the insurance policy to the dealer once you bought the policy on the internet. It's real and valid until you cancel it, but there maybe some small cancellation fee. The Canadian buyer should have his/her own insurance for the trip back to Canada.
There are posters here drove back with borrowed plate. There is nothing illegal about it if the seller agreed to loan the buyer the plate until proper registration can be done. There is always a risk to whatever you do, for example what happens if the friend decided to keep the car for himself after taking delivery of the car? you can have all the insurance, temp plate you want, and there is nothing the Canadian buyer can do...

[yyz2hkg]

Thanks. I'm buying a 2007, so I'll contact them to see if I would have to pay first or not.

I don't think so. I own a MY07 Outback, and needed some warranty work done. I brought the vehicle to my local Subaru dealer and had no problems, as she told me it only affects MY08 and on. I told them that I have extended warranty, and she replied, just as long as not an MY08, you don't need to pay out of your pocket. She checked by looking through the bulletins posted on the maintenance wall.

[shopper-X]

I don't think so. I own a MY07 Outback, and needed some warranty work done. I brought the vehicle to my local Subaru dealer and had no problems, as she told me it only affects MY08 and on. I told them that I have extended warranty, and she replied, just as long as not an MY08, you don't need to pay out of your pocket. She checked by looking through the bulletins posted on the maintenance wall.

Awesome, thats great news.
If you do not mind can you PM me with what you paid that warranty?

[whampoa]

Progressive will fax the insurance policy to the dealer once you bought the policy on the internet. It's real and valid until you cancel it, but there maybe some small cancellation fee. The Canadian buyer should have his/her own insurance for the trip back to Canada.
There are posters here drove back with borrowed plate. There is nothing illegal about it if the seller agreed to loan the buyer the plate until proper registration can be done. There is always a risk to whatever you do, for example what happens if the friend decided to keep the car for himself after taking delivery of the car? you can have all the insurance, temp plate you want, and there is nothing the Canadian buyer can do...

Let me get this straight, I presume it's your friend who is the one to purchase the vehicle in your behalf. Few questions here for you:


1) If your friend purchase the insurance under their name, how it's possible for you to purchase a temp insurance for the trip back to Canada.

I assume the insurance company want to verify the VIN number and the certificate of origin and/or purchase invoice from the dealer.


2) Nothing illegal about borrowing someone's plate or even your own plate on a non-register vehicle.

That's a first, maybe all those lost and stolen plates are all legal to use then.

Why am I even bother paying for a license plate renewal every other year.


3) You're also paying state tax, if your friend lived in a state with sale tax.

On top of that, you have to pay the GST and PST if you're bringing over to Canada

(note: if it's a used vehicle, Custom will base the GST on the higher Canadian Red book value).


Hey, all the power to you bro, if you ever manage to get away with it.

Oh, don't cry like a baby if your plan fell through at the last minute.

[hagbard]

Update on that story about the editor and reporter being fired for a story on cross border car purchase:

August 27, 2007
Greetings and solicitations

Earlier, we reported the firing of Victoria News editor Keith Norbury was connected, in part, to an advertiser complaint concerning a story about a cross-border car shopper. This, according to Vancouver Island News Group publisher Mark Warner. But, in a subsequent email interview with Public Eye over the weekend, Dave Wheaton Pontiac Buick GMC Ltd. dealer principal Dave Wheaton added, "I never did complain about the article until I was asked (about it by a news group representative) and it was several days after it had run. My opinion was solicited and I gave it to them in an honest, straight-forward manner, in a meeting, at their request, in my office. They phoned me. I never called them.” Asked for comment, news group vice-president Kirk Freeman said Mr. Norbury's firing "is an internal personnel issue. And what has transpired had nothing to do with Dave Wheaton." In an earlier interview, Mr. Wheaton also stated he hadn't and wouldn't pull any advertising with the news group as a result of the story.

http://www.publiceyeonline.com/archives/cat_from_the_gallery.html

[jrvic]

Let me get this straight, I presume it's your friend who is the one to purchase the vehicle in your behalf. Few questions here for you:


1) If your friend purchase the insurance under their name, how it's possible for you to purchase a temp insurance for the trip back to Canada.

I assume the insurance company want to verify the VIN number and the certificate of origin and/or purchase invoice from the dealer.


2) Nothing illegal about borrowing someone's plate or even your own plate on a non-register vehicle.

That's a first, maybe all those lost and stolen plates are all legal to use then.

Why am I even bother paying for a license plate renewal every other year.


3) You're also paying state tax, if your friend lived in a state with sale tax.

On top of that, you have to pay the GST and PST if you're bringing over to Canada

(note: if it's a used vehicle, Custom will base the GST on the higher Canadian Red book value).


Hey, all the power to you bro, if you ever manage to get away with it.

Oh, don't cry like a baby if your plan fell through at the last minute.


1) The orginal plan is to buy the vehicle from the friend immediately after taking delivery from the dealer. This is exactly the same as if you were buying a used vehicle, and you should already have the necessary info required by insurance co. Your CDN insurance WILL cover you for such purchase. Perhaps you need to read the original post more closely.
2) I drove my US friend's car across the border a few times and no one cares. I always told them I borrowed the car and that I have the owner's Phone #, and ownership for them to check if they wanted. Of course the friend must be on the same page here just in case the cop actually calls.
3) Whampoa, you should know by now that in the cases of new Lexus and BMW, you DON'T have a choice but register the car first in the US. Unless the friend lives in a states with no sales taxes, you have no choice but paying the required taxes. On the plus side, in spite of all the taxes, I still saved 15K on my 08 RX350 AWD. No needs for crying, I have mine for almost a month now. :D

[drunkgoat]

Update on that story about the editor and reporter being fired for a story on cross border car purchase:

August 27, 2007
Greetings and solicitations

Earlier, we reported the firing of Victoria News editor Keith Norbury was connected, in part, to an advertiser complaint concerning a story about a cross-border car shopper. This, according to Vancouver Island News Group publisher Mark Warner. But, in a subsequent email interview with Public Eye over the weekend, Dave Wheaton Pontiac Buick GMC Ltd. dealer principal Dave Wheaton added, "I never did complain about the article until I was asked (about it by a news group representative) and it was several days after it had run. My opinion was solicited and I gave it to them in an honest, straight-forward manner, in a meeting, at their request, in my office. They phoned me. I never called them.” Asked for comment, news group vice-president Kirk Freeman said Mr. Norbury's firing "is an internal personnel issue. And what has transpired had nothing to do with Dave Wheaton." In an earlier interview, Mr. Wheaton also stated he hadn't and wouldn't pull any advertising with the news group as a result of the story.

http://www.publiceyeonline.com/archives/cat_from_the_gallery.html


If you read Chomsky, you will see that there are many filters on the media, the above is merely one form of censorship.

[hammer]

Here is what I got from the toyota dealer in rochestor. Anyone know where I can buy a toyota in the US?

Eve,

we can NOT sell to Canadian residents





Joe Profetta
Internet Sales Manager
Hoselton Toyota Scion
585.381.8530 x4265

[HighFlyer]

Ok, I've read what I could on this thread. I'm interested in buying an 08 Subaru Legacy. A few questions (sorry if I'm repeating anything)....

-I have a trade-in. I'm assuming that I'll have to list and sell the car myself privately?
-What if I were to sell the car a few years from now? Will the resale value be drastically affected since it's a US car?

[okano]

Ok, I've read what I could on this thread. I'm interested in buying an 08 Subaru Legacy. A few questions (sorry if I'm repeating anything)....

-I have a trade-in. I'm assuming that I'll have to list and sell the car myself privately?
-What if I were to sell the car a few years from now? Will the resale value be drastically affected since it's a US car?

yes, that might have an effect (as we read kms, not miles), so it is inconvinence, but it won't be drastically i guess
btw, i am getting a 08 legacy too =)
ordered late july and still waiting ....
they probably have too many business and too busy now

[yyz2hkg]

Ok, I've read what I could on this thread. I'm interested in buying an 08 Subaru Legacy. A few questions (sorry if I'm repeating anything)....

-I have a trade-in. I'm assuming that I'll have to list and sell the car myself privately?
-What if I were to sell the car a few years from now? Will the resale value be drastically affected since it's a US car?

I asked the dealership about a trade-in when I bought the Subie, he just said it wasn't worth it and to sell it privately in Canada. Didn't want the added paperwork. That was the dealer in the states...YMMV...lol.

As for resale value, I think it just depends. You'll get many different opinions on this issue alone. I myself won't think it'll affect it at all. In fact, I'd probably get more because of the options on the vehicle that Canada doesn't offer on their certain trim levels. Everything's the same practically, except for the odometer, and all the Outbacks are "TEAM CRAFTED" in Indiana. IF you get the Top of the Line model, and you're paying an average of $15 000 cheaper, you can't lose. Some of the guys may drive it for a year and sell it here in Canada for more than what they actually paid. Just my 2 cents.

[HighFlyer]

Thanks all. I'm looking at either the Special Edition or the Limited. On Edmunds, the difference between MSRP and invoice seems to be $1500. How much can I reasonably bargain for given that based on what I've read, it seems like we're asking for a 'favor' from them to sell to Canadians?

I'm assuming that since I'm bringing a new vehicle in that using the NEXUS lane to pay the taxes at Canada customs won't be allowed then..... must use the regular lanes to go into the secondary inspection area.

[hagbard]

If you read Chomsky, you will see that there are many filters on the media, the above is merely one form of censorship.

I know. :lol:

[yyz2hkg]

Thanks all. I'm looking at either the Special Edition or the Limited. On Edmunds, the difference between MSRP and invoice seems to be $1500. How much can I reasonably bargain for given that based on what I've read, it seems like we're asking for a 'favor' from them to sell to Canadians?

I'm assuming that since I'm bringing a new vehicle in that using the NEXUS lane to pay the taxes at Canada customs won't be allowed then..... must use the regular lanes to go into the secondary inspection area.

Try negotiating a little more since the MY08 are in and they're trying to get rid of the 07's, if they're still available. I dunno...500 off invoice, depends on the dealer...have you tried contacting Karl at Van Bortel?

Can't use the NEXUS lanes unfortunately, as you must first stop off at the US Customs and then Canada Customs...Usually when you're importing a new vehicle, it's a pretty quick process, took me less than 15 minutes starting from the U.S Border IIRC. Good Luck!

[zonie]

From Toyota Canada:

We would like to take this opportunity to advise you that Toyota's Extra-Care Protection (ECP) must be purchased from a Toyota dealership. It can only be purchased for vehicles sold from a Canadian Toyota dealership the same day as they are sold. As such, you cannot purchase a Canadian ECP policy on a vehicle imported from the United States.

Bummer.
That's funny.. I just called both Toyota Canada and Toyota USA and they said the exact opposite of one another:

Toyota Canada (1-888-869-6828) - we honour your base warranty on US imports, but no extended warranties (ECP) on US-purchased vehicles..

Toyota USA (1-800-228-8559)- we honour your base and extended warranty (called Toyota Extra Care) in both the US and Canada..

..uh, yeah.. well, I'm more inclined to believe Toyota USA on this one..

Toyota Canada has botched every question I've ever asked them. You can tell they're wrong here because you certainly don't have to buy an extended warranty on the same day as you buy the car. That information is extensively outlined on their website.

What it all depends on is what the legal extended warranty document says. Anyone have a copy and willing to read it to see if there are any Canadian exclusions?

[teep]

Encouraged by all the posts here and elsewhere, we are about to take the plunge and import an '08 Subaru Outback - estimated saving 8K on the top model (LLBean). (Nervous? Yes! Visions of being stranded at the border with a car you cant bring in or take back ...)

Ive seen all the helpful posts on getting the Federal RIV inspection done by Canadian Tire (120 bucks to check the DRL module is operating - which is factory installed on the Subie), but is there anyone with BC experience with knowledge about the "BC inspection", what it entails, who does it, and whether the Subaru needs one? I see that Alberta does not require it.

[stock_junkie]

Does anybody know, historically speaking, when we might see the 2008 Toyota's on the RIV list?

[yyz2hkg]

Encouraged by all the posts here and elsewhere, we are about to take the plunge and import an '08 Subaru Outback - estimated saving 8K on the top model (LLBean). (Nervous? Yes! Visions of being stranded at the border with a car you cant bring in or take back ...)

You won't regret it, very painless and simple process if everything is in order. DRL's are a non-issue on Subies, because they're already factory installed.

[bbb0bbb]

You won't regret it. I imported mine (Subaru Outback 2007) a year ago and it's a really nice car. I saved 10K (incl taxes, since taxes are on the price paid).

[CCT2]

You do pay the PST (when you register the vehicle) if you buy privately within Canada. But you don't pay GST.

If you're importing from the US, regardless of whether it is new or used or dealer sale or private sale, you pay GST at the border and PST when you register in the province.

Yes, You are right. I was wrong. Thanks for your reply.

[CCT2]

Can someone help me. I'm currently looking at buying a luxury car from the USA and importing it back here to Vancouver, but it's not a brand new car. Is carfax the only way to check the title and history of a US vehicle for accidents, damage reports, salvage titles, etc... or are there other methods also? Where would I go to check on liens and such as well. It's going to cost a lot of money, though still cheaper than here and I want to be safe and not having to find out after the purchase that I've been mislead. Any information would be appreciated. I'm looking at 3 different cars, one from Seattle, 2nd from Arizona and 3rd from California.

Thanks!

You can try "CarProof". Just google it. You will find the web.

[karl_at_vanbortel]

So I have a question about the change to the Forester import eligibility. So the deal is that the car has to have an immobilizer, correct? Must it be the chipped key or does the car simply have to be equipped with some sort of immobilization device? If it's just an immobilizer issue than that shouldn't exclude the Forester from anyone's shopping list. Any Forester 2.5X model can be ordered with an immobilizer.

[thien]

So I have a question about the change to the Forester import eligibility. So the deal is that the car has to have an immobilizer, correct? Must it be the chipped key or does the car simply have to be equipped with some sort of immobilization device? If it's just an immobilizer issue than that shouldn't exclude the Forester from anyone's shopping list. Any Forester 2.5X model can be ordered with an immobilizer.

Hi Karl,

From what I understand starting this year (2007) all new vehicles must come with an immobilizer. They passed some law. Best bet is to call transport canada or RIV to find out.

[johnsa]

I am looking for a Toyota dealer who is able to sell to Cdns. My friend wants to buy a Tundra SR5 4x4 double cab..prefer dealer in north-eastern USA but he is willing to pay for shipping to Buffalo...

Thanks everyone..

[uncle_odb]

Encouraged by all the posts here and elsewhere, we are about to take the plunge and import an '08 Subaru Outback - estimated saving 8K on the top model (LLBean). (Nervous? Yes! Visions of being stranded at the border with a car you cant bring in or take back ...)

Ive seen all the helpful posts on getting the Federal RIV inspection done by Canadian Tire (120 bucks to check the DRL module is operating - which is factory installed on the Subie), but is there anyone with BC experience with knowledge about the "BC inspection", what it entails, who does it, and whether the Subaru needs one? I see that Alberta does not require it.

Hi Teep,

I picked up my 2008 Tribeca from Eastside Subaru last week Monday August 20, and I got my recall clearance letter on Wednesday, faxed RIV with it on Thursday, got my Form 2 on Friday, went to Canadian Tire on Saturday morning to do the Federal and Provincal inspection. The inspection part is pretty painless, and yes the provincial inspection is required to get full insurance at ICBC. The provincial inspection covers alot of items, but it's a non-issue with a new vehicle. Example, they check the horn, mirrors, wipers, defroster, visors, heaters, parking brake, power brake, brake pedal reserve and leakage test, steering lash and travel power steering, accelerator pedal transmission, speedo. The list goes on, but it's simple to pass with a new car. Hope this helps. One final thing; I was very nervous buying from the States as well, but now i'm glad I did it. Just remember the 72 hour rule at US customs and make sure you email them to ensure they have your documents, so you won't be stranded at the border. That was my fear as well.

[karl_at_vanbortel]

Hi Teep,

I picked up my 2008 Tribeca from Eastside Subaru last week Monday August 20, and I got my recall clearance letter on Wednesday, faxed RIV with it on Thursday, got my Form 2 on Friday, went to Canadian Tire on Saturday morning to do the Federal and Provincal inspection. The inspection part is pretty painless, and yes the provincial inspection is required to get full insurance at ICBC. The provincial inspection covers alot of items, but it's a non-issue with a new vehicle. Example, they check the horn, mirrors, wipers, defroster, visors, heaters, parking brake, power brake, brake pedal reserve and leakage test, steering lash and travel power steering, accelerator pedal transmission, speedo. The list goes on, but it's simple to pass with a new car. Hope this helps. One final thing; I was very nervous buying from the States as well, but now i'm glad I did it. Just remember the 72 hour rule at US customs and make sure you email them to ensure they have your documents, so you won't be stranded at the border. That was my fear as well.

You have an e-mail address for customs????????? If you could pm me with that that would be awesome.

[stock_junkie]

Does anybody know, based on previous years, when we might see the 2008 Toyota's on the RIV approved list?

[chadw01]

You have an e-mail address for customs????????? If you could pm me with that that would be awesome.

There is no e-mail address for the US Customs vehicle export office (at least not publicly known).. at Lewiston, they only have a semi-working fax machine and a phone number which goes right to a machine where you leave a message..

[uncle_odb]

There is no e-mail address for the US Customs vehicle export office (at least not publicly known).. at Lewiston, they only have a semi-working fax machine and a phone number which goes right to a machine where you leave a message..

As I am on the west coast, we take our exports through:

Bureau of Customs & Border Protection
9901 Pacific Highway
Blaine, WA
Ph: 360-332-2632
Fax 360-332-2639
Email blaine-export@customs.treas.gov

As per the instructions for this border crossing, they say to fax over the title, bill of sale and their export worksheet (probably only this office's requirement) 72 hours prior to export. They also say, do not assume we have received your fax, so please email them for a status of your export application. Again this is just the instructions given at this particular US customs office. You're probably right; over in your area, they may not want emails from potential exporters.

[karl_at_vanbortel]

There is no e-mail address for the US Customs vehicle export office (at least not publicly known).. at Lewiston, they only have a semi-working fax machine and a phone number which goes right to a machine where you leave a message..

And an over abundance of rude customs agents >:(

[Dano76]

After several days of intermittent reading, I have finally managed to get through this entire thread. I'm convinced. I believe that by the time my lease is up in April 08, and if nothing drastic happens with the exchange by then, I will have imported myself a car from the US... that is provided I still have eyesight after reading 4000+ posts!

Thanks to all, RFDers and dealers included, for their contributions to this incredible thread.

[dheath]

Encouraged by all the posts here and elsewhere, we are about to take the plunge and import an '08 Subaru Outback - estimated saving 8K on the top model (LLBean). (Nervous? Yes! Visions of being stranded at the border with a car you cant bring in or take back ...)

Ive seen all the helpful posts on getting the Federal RIV inspection done by Canadian Tire (120 bucks to check the DRL module is operating - which is factory installed on the Subie), but is there anyone with BC experience with knowledge about the "BC inspection", what it entails, who does it, and whether the Subaru needs one? I see that Alberta does not require it.

I'm picking up my 08 Subaru Outback 3.0 LL Bean on Saturday from Grand Forks Subaru in North Dakota. I can confirm the amount I saved on my purchase is OVER $15K. I was in Cdn Tire today getting my current vehicle inspected to sell it and the guy in front of me was getting TWO imports inspected (federal and provincial). I asked the clerk if they get a lot of imports to inspect and she said they get them almost every day. Good luck with your purchase.

[eastsidesubaru]

Thanks all. I'm looking at either the Special Edition or the Limited. On Edmunds, the difference between MSRP and invoice seems to be $1500. How much can I reasonably bargain for given that based on what I've read, it seems like we're asking for a 'favor' from them to sell to Canadians?

I'm assuming that since I'm bringing a new vehicle in that using the NEXUS lane to pay the taxes at Canada customs won't be allowed then..... must use the regular lanes to go into the secondary inspection area.

You are a buyer too... don't put yourself down. Yes it is some additional office work but nothing too terrible! Although I will say this, the special editions and limited have been selling pretty well but that doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to still get a deal.

[teep]

Hi Teep,

I picked up my 2008 Tribeca from Eastside Subaru last week Monday August 20, and I got my recall clearance letter on Wednesday, faxed RIV with it on Thursday, got my Form 2 on Friday, went to Canadian Tire on Saturday morning to do the Federal and Provincal inspection. The inspection part is pretty painless, and yes the provincial inspection is required to get full insurance at ICBC. The provincial inspection covers alot of items, but it's a non-issue with a new vehicle. Example, they check the horn, mirrors, wipers, defroster, visors, heaters, parking brake, power brake, brake pedal reserve and leakage test, steering lash and travel power steering, accelerator pedal transmission, speedo. The list goes on, but it's simple to pass with a new car. Hope this helps. One final thing; I was very nervous buying from the States as well, but now i'm glad I did it. Just remember the 72 hour rule at US customs and make sure you email them to ensure they have your documents, so you won't be stranded at the border. That was my fear as well.

THANK YOU very much for the helpful info on the BC inspection Uncle_odb. Thats a relief! Now we are just waiting for a suitable Outback at the Seattle dealer - they only have the one colour out of the six we cant live with in stock. This is my wife's car and she has had the old Outback ten years from new with no problemos - lets trust the new one will be as good!

[uncle_odb]

THANK YOU very much for the helpful info on the BC inspection Uncle_odb. Thats a relief! Now we are just waiting for a suitable Outback at the Seattle dealer - they only have the one colour out of the six we cant live with in stock. This is my wife's car and she has had the old Outback ten years from new with no problemos - lets trust the new one will be as good!

Hi Teep,

No problem, it's a slightly scary process, but it'll be worth it. Just curious about the outback and the colour you want; did the dealership try to source out your preferred colour from another dealership? Eastside Subaru didn't have my 2008 Tribeca in the colour that I wanted, but sourced it from Skagit Subaru. Give Zach a call if your dealer can't find the outback you want. Good luck with your purchase!

Andy

[billyh55]

just want to make sure about that environmental tax i heard about
I am interested in looking at getting an 08 tribeca 7 seater over next couple weeks.
is there an extra environmental tax on this?
Is there any way to get just the DVD player without all the navigaton gear i wouldnt use?
can you normally get comparable tow packages in canada from local person if they arent on the vehicle when bought at comparable price or better to have it done in the states before i bring it to alberta?
thanks anyone

[uncle_odb]

just want to make sure about that environmental tax i heard about
I am interested in looking at getting an 08 tribeca 7 seater over next couple weeks.
is there an extra environmental tax on this?
Is there any way to get just the DVD player without all the navigaton gear i wouldnt use?
can you normally get comparable tow packages in canada from local person if they arent on the vehicle when bought at comparable price or better to have it done in the states before i bring it to alberta?
thanks anyone

Hi Billy,

My 2 cents here; get the tow package installed at the dealership when you buy your tribeca. The dealership will install the Trail Hitch and a Transmission Cooler. I read somewhere that the automatic tranny is rated at 2000 lbs without the transmission cooler and 3500 lbs with the transmission cooler. Hope this helps.

[scouzi]

just want to make sure about that environmental tax i heard about
I am interested in looking at getting an 08 tribeca 7 seater over next couple weeks.
is there an extra environmental tax on this?
Is there any way to get just the DVD player without all the navigaton gear i wouldnt use?
can you normally get comparable tow packages in canada from local person if they arent on the vehicle when bought at comparable price or better to have it done in the states before i bring it to alberta?
thanks anyone

Subaru doesn't offer DVD only package. Only the GPS only package is offered. I think it should be the other way around.

[bionicbadger]

just want to make sure about that environmental tax i heard about
I am interested in looking at getting an 08 tribeca 7 seater over next couple weeks.
is there an extra environmental tax on this?
Is there any way to get just the DVD player without all the navigaton gear i wouldnt use?
can you normally get comparable tow packages in canada from local person if they arent on the vehicle when bought at comparable price or better to have it done in the states before i bring it to alberta?
thanks anyone

No environmental fee on a tribeca.
No way to get just DVD player. Get one installed aftermarket if you want, it will be much cheaper. Though be aware the front information screen is not a touch screen if you don't get the nav system. (I got the nav system just for the backup camera, the tribeca like many SUVs has poor visibility out the back down low).
If you want the tranny cooler & hitch, the cheapest is to get one that was factory installed. It can be installed at the dealer, or you can do it yourself too if not factory installed(there are how to instructions on the net, not supposed to be that hard to do).

[Somboa]

Hi all, been lurking and reading these threads for a loooong time now and am in the process of getting a WRX wagon from Karl soon (pickup is next Friday). :)

My question is since the US border only works Mon-Fri 8-4pm and the Canadian side imports 24/7, can I export the car on Friday but continue to stay in the US (wife wants to shop) and then on Saturday night as we're heading back, import the car at the Canadian side?

I don't see a reason why not but just want to be sure.

[Kamloops]

Hi all, been lurking and reading these threads for a loooong time now and am in the process of getting a WRX wagon from Karl soon (pickup is next Friday). :)

My question is since the US border only works Mon-Fri 8-4pm and the Canadian side imports 24/7, can I export the car on Friday but continue to stay in the US (wife wants to shop) and then on Saturday night as we're heading back, import the car at the Canadian side?

I don't see a reason why not but just want to be sure.

I know at the pacific way (truck Crossing) in BC that is impossible to do. No way to get turned around, USA customs said I had to proceed to the Canada Customs.

[yyz2hkg]

Hi all, been lurking and reading these threads for a loooong time now and am in the process of getting a WRX wagon from Karl soon (pickup is next Friday). :)

My question is since the US border only works Mon-Fri 8-4pm and the Canadian side imports 24/7, can I export the car on Friday but continue to stay in the US (wife wants to shop) and then on Saturday night as we're heading back, import the car at the Canadian side?

I don't see a reason why not but just want to be sure.

That's a good question...The Transit Permit allows you to have the vehicle travel from one destination to another, just as long as your insurance covers you throughout the whole trip.

[Somboa]

Ok, something I should have done first I guess but this way, others will know too.

I just called the Lewiston border (US side) and they said the exporting officer is in the warehouse it self and after I'm done, we can make a u-turn back into the states without having to go through to the Canadian side.

I can't remember the traffic direction, logistics and layout at the moment but I hope he's right. We'll see what happens I guess or else I might have a somewhat upset wife on my hands. :lol:

[whampoa]

Hi all, been lurking and reading these threads for a loooong time now and am in the process of getting a WRX wagon from Karl soon (pickup is next Friday). :)

My question is since the US border only works Mon-Fri 8-4pm and the Canadian side imports 24/7, can I export the car on Friday but continue to stay in the US (wife wants to shop) and then on Saturday night as we're heading back, import the car at the Canadian side?

I don't see a reason why not but just want to be sure.

Haven't try before, but I don't see why not.

I know at Lewiston bridge in Niagara Falls, the American export custom is located at the US side.

So if you are going to export it, might as well shop in the US over the long Weekend.

When shopping in NY make sure to show your Canadian ID, so that you don't have to pay NY state sale tax. ;)

[yayaya]

I'm a bit confused.

I will be crossing at Pembina, North Dakota bound for Winnipeg with my used 2007vehicle.

The automated phone system at that particular border crossing says fax the "original title".

I have 2 questions.

1. How do I get the "original" title if the vehicle I am buying is used?

2. I have read people have to fax "title, bill of sale and their export worksheet". Is this everyone's experience who has actually imported or is just the "title" sufficient.

Ron

[bionicbadger]

I'm a bit confused.

I will be crossing at Pembina, North Dakota bound for Winnipeg with my used 2007vehicle.

The automated phone system at that particular border crossing says fax the "original title".

I have 2 questions.

1. How do I get the "original" title if the vehicle I am buying is used?

2. I have read people have to fax "title, bill of sale and their export worksheet". Is this everyone's experience who has actually imported or is just the "title" sufficient.

Ron

The owner should have the original title (or Certificate of Origin), this is what they stamp when you export it, so it is absolutely required.
You need all the stuff they tell you to fax in, and its actually both sides of the title.

[yayaya]

The owner should have the original title (or Certificate of Origin), this is what they stamp when you export it, so it is absolutely required.
You need all the stuff they tell you to fax in, and its actually both sides of the title.

Ahhh, so what I am surmising here is that the original "title" follows the vehicle in the USA where ever the vehicle goes in an "ownership" sense? Yes?

[spdztr]

Update on the import process of the 2007 Santa Fe: DONE!!

DRL issue? ha!

The US SF doesn't come with DRL, so you can get a kit or do your own wiring. One neat feature of it, however, is that if you leave the headlights on all the time, they turn on and off when you turn the car on/off.

I decided to take my chances at CT by not saying anything when the guy did the inspection, and just playing dumb if he said anything about it. He didn't.
The inspection took about 30 seconds as he checked the headlights and the mileage, and filled out Form 2. My wife and I were standing there in disbelief. This is definitely one of those YMMV things...

One misconception that I (and perhaps others) had is that you need Form 2 to get the license plates - you don't. I went to the MTO office today, and all she needed was Form 1, the original title, and the piece of paper you get at the border showing the Canadian value of the car. I asked about Form 2, and she said that it's for federal only, and not provincial. So technically I could have gotten the new plates immediately.

Do I have to do anything with the Form 2 now? It says on it that it should be faxed to a 1-888 number that's listed, but otherwise is there anything else?

[yayaya]

Congrats spdztr !!

You also answered a question I had in mind about needing the form 2 or not to get plates. Thanks.

Ron

[uncle_odb]

Update on the import process of the 2007 Santa Fe: DONE!!

DRL issue? ha!

The US SF doesn't come with DRL, so you can get a kit or do your own wiring. One neat feature of it, however, is that if you leave the headlights on all the time, they turn on and off when you turn the car on/off.

I decided to take my chances at CT by not saying anything when the guy did the inspection, and just playing dumb if he said anything about it. He didn't.
The inspection took about 30 seconds as he checked the headlights and the mileage, and filled out Form 2. My wife and I were standing there in disbelief. This is definitely one of those YMMV things...

One misconception that I (and perhaps others) had is that you need Form 2 to get the license plates - you don't. I went to the MTO office today, and all she needed was Form 1, the original title, and the piece of paper you get at the border showing the Canadian value of the car. I asked about Form 2, and she said that it's for federal only, and not provincial. So technically I could have gotten the new plates immediately.

Do I have to do anything with the Form 2 now? It says on it that it should be faxed to a 1-888 number that's listed, but otherwise is there anything else?

At my Canadian Tire, they kept my Form 2, so I never got it back. They were going to fax it for me, and send it somewher for processing. I didn't even get a copy back. Oh well, i'll know soon enough from RIV if CT didn't fax it for me. I say fax the Form 2 to the 1-888 number just in case.

In BC, we need the Provincial Inspection done before we can get our license plates. This of course may vary in different provinces. So technically, if you want to get your plates right away, you could go to Canadian Tire and just do the provincial inspection first, get your plates and be on the road. But you'll need to make another trip to CT when you get your form 2 to do the federal inspection.

[Kamloops]

If you are in the USA for over 48hrs $400.00 of your car purchase is tax exempt as well. and over 7 days its $750.00

After each absence of 48 hours or more You can claim up to CAN$400 worth of goods without paying any duties.

[johnsa]

Ok, something I should have done first I guess but this way, others will know too.

I just called the Lewiston border (US side) and they said the exporting officer is in the warehouse it self and after I'm done, we can make a u-turn back into the states without having to go through to the Canadian side.

I can't remember the traffic direction, logistics and layout at the moment but I hope he's right. We'll see what happens I guess or else I might have a somewhat upset wife on my hands. :lol:


I do know that this possible at Ivy Lea...the warehouse is just off the hwy before entering the Canada Customs lanes...you could easily turn back into the USA...

[spdztr]

I do know that this possible at Ivy Lea...the warehouse is just off the hwy before entering the Canada Customs lanes...you could easily turn back into the USA...


I don't see why it wouldn't be possible at QL bridge. However, it's quite frightening, because you have to drive across all the lanes (20 or so?) that are leaving from the US customs lanes. Reminded me of the old Frogger game (and the Seinfeld episode).

[bionicbadger]

One misconception that I (and perhaps others) had is that you need Form 2 to get the license plates - you don't. I went to the MTO office today, and all she needed was Form 1, the original title, and the piece of paper you get at the border showing the Canadian value of the car. I asked about Form 2, and she said that it's for federal only, and not provincial. So technically I could have gotten the new plates immediately.

Do I have to do anything with the Form 2 now? It says on it that it should be faxed to a 1-888 number that's listed, but otherwise is there anything else?

Didn't the canadian tire guy stamp your form 1 on the bottom right corner to show it passed the inspection? Thats what you need here to get plates.

I haven't done anything with my form 2, I'm not even sure if I still have it, the CT guy might have kept it.

[summerman]

If you are in Ontario, your existing insurance covers new purchase for 14 days, regardless, where you buy it.

I knew this, but my insurance company just refused providing me the letter!

[Somboa]

If you are in the USA for over 48hrs $400.00 of your car purchase is tax exempt as well. and over 7 days its $750.00

After each absence of 48 hours or more You can claim up to CAN$400 worth of goods without paying any duties.

Looks like I might be crossing back on Sunday (heading over Friday) then. :)

Didn't even think of this, have done it before but that was for a shopping spree. I bet even after hotels and food, we'll still be under $400 for the 2 nights assuming of course we don't buy anything else.

[eastsidesubaru]

Hi Billy,

My 2 cents here; get the tow package installed at the dealership when you buy your tribeca. The dealership will install the Trail Hitch and a Transmission Cooler. I read somewhere that the automatic tranny is rated at 2000 lbs without the transmission cooler and 3500 lbs with the transmission cooler. Hope this helps.


The transmission cooler is a good thing to have anyway if you are towing in my opinion, it does give you a lot of extra tow capacity. Just to confirm, it is 2000 lb without the cooler and 3500 with the transmission cooler.

[tico 1948]

Hello everyone, With regards to paying taxes at the Canadian Border, we Maritimers (N.S., N.B., & P.E.I.) pay HST (Harmonized Sales Tax) of 14% rather than separate G.S.T. & P.S.T. The Maritime Gov'ts made a deal with the Feds to lump both taxes together. I'm wondering if we have to pay the 14% in one shot at the border:confused: . I've not read or heard about anyone from the East importing a vehicle so it would be good to know what percentage is due upon entering Canada? I'd hate to not have enough $$ at Customs when the time comes.>:( Anyone have any info on this? Thanks

[HighFlyer]

I'd hate to not have enough $$ at Customs when the time comes.>:( Anyone have any info on this? Thanks
I think the border accepts credit cards, no?

[yyz2hkg]

I think the border accepts credit cards, no?

Cash/Credit/Interac is accepted for payment of any and all duties/taxes owing, but again, NOT for the RIV Vehicle Import fee (Credit card only).

[summerman]

Anyone from Ottawa? Where did you accross the board? One day travel to Van Bortel for picking up the car is enough? Thanks!

[uncle_odb]

Didn't the canadian tire guy stamp your form 1 on the bottom right corner to show it passed the inspection? Thats what you need here to get plates.

I haven't done anything with my form 2, I'm not even sure if I still have it, the CT guy might have kept it.

Oh that's a good point. My insurance agent asked to see my form 1, MSO (title), provincial inspection report, and that document I got at customs showing the value of my vehicle in CAD and shows the GST paid. Yes I do see on my copy of Form 1 that the Canadian Tire inspector did stamp and inital on the bottom right corner. Bionicbadger may be right on this one, both federal and provincial inspections need to pass for plates in BC. I've read others getting plates earlier, but this could be in a different province. It's best to check with your insurance provider.

[uncle_odb]

Hello everyone, With regards to paying taxes at the Canadian Border, we Maritimers (N.S., N.B., & P.E.I.) pay HST (Harmonized Sales Tax) of 14% rather than separate G.S.T. & P.S.T. The Maritime Gov'ts made a deal with the Feds to lump both taxes together. I'm wondering if we have to pay the 14% in one shot at the border:confused: . I've not read or heard about anyone from the East importing a vehicle so it would be good to know what percentage is due upon entering Canada? I'd hate to not have enough $$ at Customs when the time comes.>:( Anyone have any info on this? Thanks

Is there anyway you can contact the Canadian Customs office at your border crossing? When I was importing my vehicle at Canadian Customs, another person was there just to ask questions about taxes and fees for his import the following week. The folks there are very helpful, so I hope it will be the same in your area.

[New2Subaru]

Anyone from Ottawa? Where did you accross the board? One day travel to Van Bortel for picking up the car is enough? Thanks!


One day should be good enough. Cross the 1000 island bridge. Leave early in the morning, get back to the US custom before 4pm.

[hagbard]

here's more on the editor and reporter that were allegedly fired for reporting on cross border car shopping:

http://www.publiceyeonline.com/archives/cat_from_the_gallery.html

They continue to deny they were fired for that reason, yet, they continually bring it up and how it hurt their business.

[summerman]

I know that Van Bortel offers a no-dicker price on their new car, how about the used car? Anyone has exprience? Thanks!

[michelb]

Anyone from Ottawa? Where did you accross the board? One day travel to Van Bortel for picking up the car is enough? Thanks!

One day should be good enough. Cross the 1000 island bridge. Leave early in the morning, get back to the US custom before 4pm.

I think crossing at 1000 Island is super busy. I think you are better off going to Ogdensburg / Prescott.

[whampoa]

here's more on the editor and reporter that were allegedly fired for reporting on cross border car shopping:

http://www.publiceyeonline.com/archives/cat_from_the_gallery.html

They continue to deny they were fired for that reason, yet, they continually bring it up and how it hurt their business.

That O'Connor guy sound like a broken record, he kept using doublespeak throughout the interview.

Why it's so hard for him to fess up and to call a spade a spade. He is more worried about ad money than actual readership. Now that's an oxymoron!

[eastsidesubaru]

If you are in the USA for over 48hrs $400.00 of your car purchase is tax exempt as well. and over 7 days its $750.00

After each absence of 48 hours or more You can claim up to CAN$400 worth of goods without paying any duties.

Hey, do you have any more info on this? Interesting... :)
I found this: http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/new-neuf/advisory-avis/2007-03-20-eng.html
which seems to mention it...

[Ride-On]

I think crossing at 1000 Island is super busy. I think you are better off going to Ogdensburg / Prescott.

Second vote for Ogdensburg. I haven't crossed too often, but I've never had a line of any sort. Though the US customs guys were somewhat confused/intrigued by the bear barrel in the trunk last time (en route to hike in the 'dacks).

Karl from Van Bortel... how is your used inventory? Thanks...

[Draug]

If you are in the USA for over 48hrs $400.00 of your car purchase is tax exempt as well. and over 7 days its $750.00

After each absence of 48 hours or more You can claim up to CAN$400 worth of goods without paying any duties.

Hey, do you have any more info on this? Interesting... :)
I found this: http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/new-neuf/advisory-avis/2007-03-20-eng.html
which seems to mention it...

It isnt just for car purchases. It is our duty exempt portion of what we bring back into Canada. You have to count all consumer goods, total them all up (including the car) and deduct duty-free exemption from that.

[okano]

It isnt just for car purchases. It is our duty exempt portion of what we bring back into Canada. You have to count all consumer goods, total them all up (including the car) and deduct duty-free exemption from that.


i thought no duties for american made car anyways right?

[crasher]

i thought no duties for american made car anyways right?

You save GST on $400, so if your car in $25400, you pay GST on 25000

[HighFlyer]

i thought no duties for american made car anyways right?
That's right, no duties, but sales taxes. There's a difference between the two.

[johnsa]

I think crossing at 1000 Island is super busy. I think you are better off going to Ogdensburg / Prescott.

If I recall correctly you cannot export the vehicle at that crossing. Check with US customs, but I think you are stuck with Ive Lea or PQ for Eastern Ontario..the last 2 times I crossed there on a weekday before 10 am I had only 2-5 cars in front of me.......just avoid weekends and holidays or cross very early.

[HighFlyer]

IIRC, they tend to have only 1 or 2 lanes open at the Alexandria crossing. But from experience, they tend to be the most reasonable (US or Canada).

[diigii]

If I recall correctly you cannot export the vehicle at that crossing. Check with US customs, but I think you are stuck with Ive Lea or PQ for Eastern Ontario..the last 2 times I crossed there on a weekday before 10 am I had only 2-5 cars in front of me.......just avoid weekends and holidays or cross very early.

Are you saying that Ivy Lea Border Crossing is open for vehicle export processing on weekends? I'm coming home with the car this Tuesday at Lewiston. But if Ivy Lea processes exports on weekends, then I will head that way.

Thanks!

[mrnice]

I tried to buy a car from this dealer several months ago. They could not get the Prius I wanted so I went elsewhere. They have contacted me letting me know they now have what I want. I am out of the market but thought I would pass their details on. It is a flight and chunky drive away but the savings could be big.

They are located in Rock Hill SC. Fly into Charlotte NC and they will pick you up. It was months ago so my memory is fuzzy, but I believe that SC charges a maximum $300 tax on cars. You would have to pay this even being from out of state but that is not too bad.

Call George Mataruka at Harrelson Toyota.
803.328.2886

[lins_canada]

Any difference between importing new and used car?

[johnsa]

Are you saying that Ivy Lea Border Crossing is open for vehicle export processing on weekends? I'm coming home with the car this Tuesday at Lewiston. But if Ivy Lea processes exports on weekends, then I will head that way.

Thanks!

What I meant was that the Prescott US Customs office will not let you export a car...only certain US customs offices will. If you go to the US Customs website for Cornwall or Prescott, they indicate vehicle exports must be done at Ivy Lea, which is only weekdays ...

Good luck.

[yyz2hkg]

Any difference between importing new and used car?

www.RIV.ca

[JayJJJ]

What I meant was that the Prescott US Customs office will not let you export a car...only certain US customs offices will. If you go to the US Customs website for Cornwall or Prescott, they indicate vehicle exports must be done at Ivy Lea, which is only weekdays ...

Good luck.

How did you find it out? I checked their website and I don't know how to find out if exporting a vehicle is ok there.

Here is the link:

http://www.customs.gov/xp/cgov/toolb...acts/ports/ny/

[shopper-X]

I'm having my vehicle shipped here, since it's cheaper to ship then travel and no time off work.>:(
If I were to Purolator a draft to the dealership instead of Wiring it ($500 cheaper), where do I declare the amount other then in the PuroLetter description? I've read here that any amount over $10,000 must be declared at the border. Does it hold true in this case? Or is the description enough?

[billyh55]

anyone ever import one of these?
they seem like good vehicles upon review for decent price
I wasnt sure if I want that or the subaru tribeca I am leaning toward
thanks

[Monsieurmaggot]

I'm having my vehicle shipped here, since it's cheaper to ship then travel and no time off work.>:(
If I were to Purolator a draft to the dealership instead of Wiring it ($500 cheaper), where do I declare the amount other then in the PuroLetter description? I've read here that any amount over $10,000 must be declared at the border. Does it hold true in this case? Or is the description enough?


Why wouldn't you EFT the funds to the dealer?

There's relatively no cost to do that. All you need is their Bank's business number, brank transit code and account number. Any bank will transfer funds electronically for you. You are limited to a $9999.99 electronic transfer before you have to fill out additional forms proving where the money came from. My branch told me I could make out numerous EFTs and keep them under the $10k to avoid the extra paperwork.

I chose to do a $4000+ EFT and the rest as a bank draft that I personally delivered to the dealer.

When I crossed over into the US, I was asked to not only show my Bank Draft but proof of deposit.

[shopper-X]

Why wouldn't you EFT the funds to the dealer?

There's relatively no cost to do that. All you need is their Bank's business number, brank transit code and account number. Any bank will transfer funds electronically for you. You are limited to a $9999.99 electronic transfer before you have to fill out additional forms proving where the money came from. My branch told me I could make out numerous EFTs and keep them under the $10k to avoid the extra paperwork.

I chose to do a $4000+ EFT and the rest as a bank draft that I personally delivered to the dealer.

When I crossed over into the US, I was asked to not only show my Bank Draft but proof of deposit.

I just called Purolator and they said that I just declare the value on the "Bill of Lading" with the words "FOR CUTOMS ONLY" and another note "FOR PURCHASE OF NEW CAR"
They also mentioned that you can not send cash, personal cheques, and securities over $2,000. Since a Draft is none of these it's okay to send.

[diigii]

I think the don't-sell-new-to-Canadians order only applies to border state dealers. I came down here in Maryland and I mentioned about these so-called don't-sell orders, they never heard of it or never been ordered not to sell. They even got surprised/shocked when they heard about it. In fact, they even thank you and show their appreciation for bringing your business to them. I've got a free loaner car from the dealership when I mentioned I have to return my rental car just so (in the General Manager's words) I won't have to incur additional costs.

[bionicbadger]

I'm having my vehicle shipped here, since it's cheaper to ship then travel and no time off work.>:(
If I were to Purolator a draft to the dealership instead of Wiring it ($500 cheaper), where do I declare the amount other then in the PuroLetter description? I've read here that any amount over $10,000 must be declared at the border. Does it hold true in this case? Or is the description enough?

get an XE.com account. It costs $12 to send a wire with them, they have good exchange rates, and you can set them up as an electronic payee where they pull money out of your account like your insurance or utilities so the bank fee is zero.

[courtneyng]

Hi, can somebody let me know the processes, timeline, law involve, cost, paperwork, and saving of buying a Acura MDX from the U.S into Canada - and if it's worth it?

Thanks alot!

[G-Yo]

I prefer not to be sarcastic, but that question warrants a sarcastic reply.

Hi, can somebody let me know the processes, timeline, law involve, cost, paperwork, and saving of buying a Acura MDX from the U.S into Canada - and if it's worth it?

Thanks alot!

=

Hi, can somebody hand me everything on a silver platter; tell me where I can find the best price, fill out all my paperwork, drive my car back to Canada and toss in a couple of grand to boot ?

Thanks alot!

:lol:

You get the best deal buying stateside because YOU do the RESEARCH.

People here who have saved thousands of dollars have done so because they have taken the time and effort to properly research the subject.

I suggest you start by reading this thread from the beginning. Im sure most of your questions are addressed somewhere here. If after your preliminary research you still have questions/concerns, somebody will be more than happy to assist you.

Good luck.

[svem]

Hi,

One of my cousins from the US has heard about this importing cars to Canada and is thinking of selling his used 06 Honda Pilot in Canada since he could possibly get more for it here. Since he lives in the US and wants to sell in Canada, what would be the steps to do this in regards to customs, title transfers, registration etc. Is anyone here from the US or has a family member from the U.S. who sold his used car in Canada?

[darock_sayz]

Advertise in Canada for US pickup (slightly under Can prices) ?

or import into Canada...pay GST/PST ?

Just a guess though....

[yiujun]

I've read about 50 pages of this thread, and let me tell you.. I've read a lot online about importing cars..

Just don't dare to do it because of the warranty.. and no idea which dealer will actually sell me a car..

Would be great if anyone can shed some light on the warranties for BMW, Mercedes, Nissan, Infiniti, Mazda, etcetc.

Of course plenty of people here have talked about the Subaru and Toyota warranties, and I know that Honda/Acura would not honour their warranties.. no idea about the other ones though. Haven't seen anyone, in any of the sites, articles and forums that I've been through, talk about the other manufacturer warranties. And is the warranty such a big deal in the first place? I've heard that you can buy aftermarket warranties or something for cars?

I live in Vancouver, so if anyone can PM me their experiences for importing a car from the States to Vancouver, that would be great! Especially if anyone can tell me which dealer they dealt with.. I would really appreciate that!

Thanks in advance!

[yyz2hkg]

I've read about 50 pages of this thread, and let me tell you.. I've read a lot online about importing cars..

Just don't dare to do it because of the warranty.. and no idea which dealer will actually sell me a car..

Would be great if anyone can shed some light on the warranties for BMW, Mercedes, Nissan, Infiniti, Mazda, etcetc.

Of course plenty of people here have talked about the Subaru and Toyota warranties, and I know that Honda/Acura would not honour their warranties.. no idea about the other ones though. Haven't seen anyone, in any of the sites, articles and forums that I've been through, talk about the other manufacturer warranties. And is the warranty such a big deal in the first place? I've heard that you can buy aftermarket warranties or something for cars?

I live in Vancouver, so if anyone can PM me their experiences for importing a car from the States to Vancouver, that would be great! Especially if anyone can tell me which dealer they dealt with.. I would really appreciate that!

Thanks in advance!
Thanks in advance!


Canadian warranty status of new cars imported from the USA:

BMW: Coverage in Canada for the vehicle warranty but not for maintenance that includes engine and oil services.
GM: No warranty for first 6 months after the import is made. Must be brought back to U.S.
DaimlerChrysler: Only if a U.S. owner is on vacation in Canada at time of it needing service. Even a U.S. citizens permanantly moving here is not covered.
Ford: Coverage in Canada but only as stated in U.S. warranty booklet.
Honda/Acura: Only for U.S. citizens who move to Canada.
Hyundai: Fully transferable.
Nissan/Infiniti: Conflicting reports. Some say warranty only applies if vehicle is registered in the US for at least six months. To confirm, call Nissan USA (1-800-NISSAN-1) if purchasing Nissan, and Infiniti USA (1-800-662-6200) if purchasing Infiniti.
Subaru: Full Canadian warranty applies but works through a reimbursement scheme (you pay here, send invoices to Subaru USA and get reimbursed accordingly)
Toyota/Lexus: Full Canadian warranty applies, but they do not encourage people to cross border shop.
Mazda: Conflicting warranty coverage. Check with Mazda USA/CAN

Details can be found here. (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=477998)

[diigii]

What I meant was that the Prescott US Customs office will not let you export a car...only certain US customs offices will. If you go to the US Customs website for Cornwall or Prescott, they indicate vehicle exports must be done at Ivy Lea, which is only weekdays ...

Good luck.

Ivy Lea Bridge crossing is my backup crossing if I should have some paperwork hassle since they don't require 72 hours in your experience. I'm not too sure if the dealer faxed them over to Lewiston US Customs office last Monday as I have instructed. I'll be back in Toronto on Tuesday after Labor Day at the earliest. I'm enjoying my time here in Virginia with relatives. ;)

[diigii]

As for the fellow asking about warranty coverage from Nissan, the US dealership I bought my car from is saying that they don't have a problem accepting the warranty of my car. It's just Nissan Canada's way of discouraging cross border purchase. The dealers in the Buffalo, NY area have said that the warranty will not be an issue for them in selling the car.

[shopper-X]

get an XE.com account. It costs $12 to send a wire with them, they have good exchange rates, and you can set them up as an electronic payee where they pull money out of your account like your insurance or utilities so the bank fee is zero.

How long does it take to setup an account and be able to transfer money? I'm wanting to get the money to the dealer by Wednesday at the latest.

[bionicbadger]

How long does it take to setup an account and be able to transfer money? I'm wanting to get the money to the dealer by Wednesday at the latest.

Setting it up for the first trade takes a while. It would probably take a couple weeks to get the money to the dealer.

But for other people who may be in the same situation down the road, or aren't in a big hurry, its good way to save some $$$

[BeeBee]

I'm having my vehicle shipped here, since it's cheaper to ship then travel and no time off work.>:(
If I were to Purolator a draft to the dealership instead of Wiring it ($500 cheaper), where do I declare the amount other then in the PuroLetter description? I've read here that any amount over $10,000 must be declared at the border. Does it hold true in this case? Or is the description enough?

Hi Shopper-X,
Can you tell us how much will it cost you to get your vehicle shipped and which shipping company are you going to use?
Thanks.

[thien]

I just got off the phone with Transport Canada regarding the admissibility of the 2008 Siennas. They told me that it was up to the manufacturer to send them the info so that Transport Canada can see if it is admissible. If they don't send any info then Transport Canada can't do anything. The manufacturer has to send this info every year.

Here's what I think. Since all the Siennas sold in North America are made in the US. Toyota has to send the specs to Transport Canada if they themselves can import the Siennas into Canada to sell to the Canadians. Toyota Canada orders the cars from Toyota USA. It's no different from us importing the vehicles ourselves. Any other options configurations doesn't matter as long as the safety features outlined by Transport Canada are met.

I talked to a Toyota dealership here is Calgary and they told me that the ETA for the 2008 Siennas are between mid September and the end of September. Therefore I believe the list will be updated anytime now. We just have to be patient and wait for them to update the list.

Anybody have any thoughts on this issue?

[feminazi]

Why does it take so long to setup the first currency trade?

If I wanted to setup and account and wire US money from Canada, I would have to wait weeks?

Please explain! :)

[james-007]

Why does it take so long to setup the first currency trade?

If I wanted to setup and account and wire US money from Canada, I would have to wait weeks?

Please explain! :)

When I set mine up with them they want to verify my bank information. They send a request to the bank and no trading until the information is verified.

[yayaya]

I have been calling a few USA dealers about vehicles I am interested in and most of them go "huh"??? about the recall letter from the MFG.

Does the letter HAVE TO be from the MFG or can it be on dealer letterhead.

Ron

[paul29]

I have been calling a few USA dealers about vehicles I am interested in and most of them go "huh"??? about the recall letter from the MFG.

Does the letter HAVE TO be from the MFG or can it be on dealer letterhead.

Ron

Call the US distributor at the phone number in the owners manual . Have bought and done this with BMW , Dodge , and Toyota with out a problem. They will fax you the recall letter . Wait until you have settled on a particular vehicle , then call the distributor with the vin number . BMW and Toyota were very quick with the faxes .

[shopper-X]

Hi Shopper-X,
Can you tell us how much will it cost you to get your vehicle shipped and which shipping company are you going to use?
Thanks.

Sent you a PM

[shopper-X]

Setting it up for the first trade takes a while. It would probably take a couple weeks to get the money to the dealer.

But for other people who may be in the same situation down the road, or aren't in a big hurry, its good way to save some $$$

Thanks. I guess I'll send it by Purolator then.

[yayaya]

Call the US distributor at the phone number in the owners manual . Have bought and done this with BMW , Dodge , and Toyota with out a problem. They will fax you the recall letter . Wait until you have settled on a particular vehicle , then call the distributor with the vin number . BMW and Toyota were very quick with the faxes .

Thanks paul29

The RIV site is wonderfully ambiguous:

The letter must come from the OEM's head office and be written on official company letterhead, duly signed with the name and position of the official at the OEM clearly visible. If the manufacturer's logo is not on the letter it will not be accepted.

In some cases, we will also accept a printout from an authorized American dealer. If you obtain a printout from an American dealer, you must ensure that they are an authorized dealer and not a re-seller. You can confirm this by calling the head office of the manufacturer and providing them with the location of the dealership in question

If the printout is from an authorized American dealership, the company stamp must be affixed to the printout. In either case, the 17 digit Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) of the vehicle in question must be included in the letter.

How does one know if / when its acceptable to get the letter from the authorized dealer?

Ron

[paul29]

Thanks paul29

The RIV site is wonderfully ambiguous:

The letter must come from the OEM's head office and be written on official company letterhead, duly signed with the name and position of the official at the OEM clearly visible. If the manufacturer's logo is not on the letter it will not be accepted.

In some cases, we will also accept a printout from an authorized American dealer. If you obtain a printout from an American dealer, you must ensure that they are an authorized dealer and not a re-seller. You can confirm this by calling the head office of the manufacturer and providing them with the location of the dealership in question

If the printout is from an authorized American dealership, the company stamp must be affixed to the printout. In either case, the 17 digit Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) of the vehicle in question must be included in the letter.

How does one know if / when its acceptable to get the letter from the authorized dealer?

Ron
Why bother with the dealer , only a few near the border would know what you are talking about. Use the first option , the OEM main office does this many times a day . Go to the official website and look for a "contact" tab , the phone numbers will be there.

[shopper-X]

Why bother with the dealer , only a few near the border would know what you are talking about. Use the first option , the OEM main office does this many times a day . Go to the official website and look for a "contact" tab , the phone numbers will be there.

I had the dealer I'm buying from get the letter for me.
I found the information on the RIV Recall Clearance page (http://www.riv.ca/english/html/recall_clearance.html) for where they can call.
On the RIV Recall Clearance page (http://www.riv.ca/english/html/recall_clearance.html) look for the consult the contact information list (http://www.riv.ca/english/Recall_Contacts_on_RIV.pdf) link, and call the manufacture.

[kellan165]

Well you can add me to the list as successfully importing a 2008 Nissan Armada this week.

Brought the vehicle back on Tuesday via the Blaine truck crossing in Washington. (Note to anyone unfamiliar with the area as we were, as the Blaine truck crossing is different from the main border crossing at Blaine. ) That stupid mistake cost us 2 hours as we had to turn around and get back into the U.S. and wait in the long border lineups. Even the U.S. border patrol had a good laugh at us.

Anyhow, once we got to the right crossing it took one minute to go through the U.S. side. The guy stamped my Certificiate of Origin and didn't ask to see any other original documents. Went to the Canadian side and it took about 10 minutes to pay GST, Gas Guzzler's levy and RIV fee. No one even came out to look at the vehicle.

Got home and had the DRL installed and faxed my Recall Clearance Letter to RIV. Within 10 minutes, RIV faxed me back Form 2. Went to Canadian Tire. Took 5 minutes to do the inspection.

This process couldn't have been any easier. Total savings for us was $14K.
The Nissan dealer in Washington was excellent and even had a full tank of gas for us (which costs about $100 to fill that tank).

Thanks to everyone on the board for all of the information that was posted. It took about two months of research to get everything in order but it was well worth it. Now I'm thinking about selling our other car and doing this again :lol:

[yayaya]

Schweeeeet.

Thanks shopper-X

Ron

[Kamloops]

Call the US distributor at the phone number in the owners manual . Have bought and done this with BMW , Dodge , and Toyota with out a problem. They will fax you the recall letter . Wait until you have settled on a particular vehicle , then call the distributor with the vin number . BMW and Toyota were very quick with the faxes .

No recall letters needed for Dodge. But you should make sure there are no outstanding recalls.

[pooyaj]

Nice deal. What company did you go through? Do they do new cars as well?

So I reported I purchased an A3 form the US from a Canadian dealer who specialized in this, New Roads Leasing.

Well turns out I got semi-shafted. The car got here today and when I went to sign the papers, the price jumped by $2,000.

He tried telling me it was a good deal still but I say f him. It turns out he had another customer willing to pay 29,000 for it where as me and him agreed on a price of 26,000.

I found the vehicle in Ohio and he purchased it for 21,000 (which was the price I negotiated).

I am so pissed but that just teaches you that never trust a car dealer cause they would screw their own mother on a deal.

Ah well.,...off to Cars.com...this time I am doing the leg work myself.

[Spirit84]

I am a newbie to this forum.
Quite frankly thousands of posts have appeared on this thread and although I would love to read them all I just don't have that much time.
Just thought I would post that I purcahsed a brand new Tribeca in Buffalo last week and couldn't be happier with the process and, above all, the $12,000.00 (approx) CDN that I pocketed!!!
If anyone needs advcie on the process or if I can learn more from the experts on the forum, please respond.

[crasher]

Got my Camry hybrid RIV inspected using the same trick:twisted:
What a nice vehicle this is. It is more powerful, quite, and efficient than my previous XLE.
Glad that I switched.

[diigii]

What more could you ask for? I came to pick up my car and go on a one-week vacation, driving it around and breaking it in. I'll post my border experience on Tuesday or Wednesday. I don't have 24-hr internet access here but I don't mind at all. I get to relax and enjoy the sights even if I've been five times.

Watch out for a 2007 Altima 3.5 SE driving on QEW and Hwy 401 with a Maryland temp tag on Tuesday, Sept 4. That's me! :cheesygri

[yyz2hkg]

Hey guys, found this from another forum I visit regularily. Just wrong...It was the other way around when their dollar was high, and no one stopped them....

LINKYPOOOOOCBC (http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2007/08/31/consumer-calgarycar070831.html?ref=rss)

Edit: Was posted here (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=484721) earlier here in Motor Vehicles and Accessories.

[joe friday]

US Dealer refuses to sell to "Canadians"-Calgary, AB

Hey guys, found this from another forum I visit. Just wrong...It was the other way around when their dollar was high, and no one stopped them....

LINKYPOOOOOCBC (http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2007/08/31/consumer-calgarycar070831.html?ref=rss)

I heard this story on CBC Radio this morning. This guy from the Competition Bureau exemplifies the attitude of our government by trying to suggest that it's only profiteers who are interested in importing vehicles into Canada. He actually defends practices like Toyota is engaged in.

And anyway, what would be wrong with someone bringing back cars to sell here for a profit? Dealers do it all the time!

[scouzi]

I heard this story on CBC Radio this morning. This guy from the Competition Bureau exemplifies the attitude of our government by trying to suggest that it's only profiteers who are interested in importing vehicles into Canada. He actually defends practices like Toyota is engaged in.

And anyway, what would be wrong with someone bringing back cars to sell here for a profit? Dealers do it all the time!

If this is true - it's pathetic -especially from a competition official. Commerce is commerce. As is Toyota isn't a profiteer.

The practice is actually called arbitrage - or carbitrage. It's existed since the beginning of commerce.

[shopper-X]

Anyone use a Customs Broker to import their vehicle? What other options are there other then A&A?

I'm going to use A&A Customs Brokers which I was quoted $250 + GST which is $265.00 for the service. However I asked a few questions and the price is now at $314.65 including GST.
*Start with $250.00+GST = $265.00 for the service.
*Add 6% on to RIV fee because they have an account and not paying by Credit Card = $11.70
*Applying for "Tariff of Customs" = $7.50+GST = $7.95
*Form 1 is an additional $30.00 which should be included in the RIV fee which they already increased by 6%. I called RIV and they said their fee includes Form 1 along with Form 2 when you fax your Recall Clearance Letter.

So the total for service is:
$265.00+$11.70+$7.95+$30.00 = $314.65 from the quoted $250+GST.

[coolmody]

Hey Guys,

Need some help here. I just crossed the border yesterday at the Truck Crossing in Blaine WA and ran into some problems.

When I was going through it was around 3:45pm and the US vehicle export section of the US customs office closes at 3:30pm. I almost got stuck over the long weekend with my car, but when I went over to the Canadian side of customs, they said they could import my car for me even though it was never properly exported by the US. So now I am in Vancouver with my car and Form 1 completely filled out and approved by Canadian customs. Is this all I really need to do? When I got there I was pretty confused on where I was supposed to go. They said I was supposed to go over to the US side FIRST to get my Certificate of Title stamped and properly exported by the US before coming over to the Canadian side, but from what I could tell that is almost impossible with the way they have the borders setup.

My concern now is that if I go over to US customs on Tuesday (when they reopen) to get the car properly exported, I will run into problems because I am on the Canadian side already with the car, and I have already imported it. I don't want to get there Tuesday and get stuck there again with the car so any insight on what I should do would be mucho appreciated!

[galaxyworld]

I am in Winnipeg.... Can anybody help in getting car there...

Any nearby US Dealers which sells car to Canadians... I have US SSN also.. if that helps...

What things I need to take care... What are the total expense.... mean Duties fees etc ? If you have any process let me know

Please help... God Bless You...:lol:

[teep]

[QUOTE=kellan165;5556549]Well you can add me to the list as successfully importing a 2008 Nissan Armada this week.
/QUOTE]

Way to go kellan165! We are still waiting for the Subie we want. The dealer has gone completely silent (on holiday?)

[yyz2hkg]

I am in Winnipeg.... Can anybody help in getting car there...

Any nearby US Dealers which sells car to Canadians... I have US SSN also.. if that helps...

What things I need to take care... What are the total expense.... mean Duties fees etc ? If you have any process let me know

Please help... God Bless You...:lol:

The link below will help you with the second part of of your question. As for importers and US Dealers willing to sell cars to Canadians, you'll have to do some digging in this thread...good luck.

LINKYPOO (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=477998)

[kehoz]

For those interested in importing a New Toyota from a dealer in the States:

If you have a relative/friend in the states, you can arrange the purchase under their name, and, more importantly, also avoid extra registration fees and US sales tax.

I just did this by picking a dealership from a different state as my relative. In this case, the dealer will just give you a temporary permit, and a copy of the MCO (Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin). This can be faxed to the US border, and will allow you to export the car without actually registering in the states or paying state sales tax. If you buy in the same state as your relative, then the dealer is pretty much obligated to register and plate the car. The out-of-state thing is crucial if you want to avoid the extra delay and cost of having to register and tranfer the car.

All the paperwork was done by courier between the dealer and my relative. I brought the payment, and picked up the vehicle. There was no need to actually physically, or financially, involve my relative in the transaction.

The trick is that you have to indicate to US customs that your relative is the purchaser/exporter and that you are the transporter. Their name will have to go on the MCO, and you cannot transfer the MCO, in the States, between individuals. It can only be transfered from a dealer to an individual, or between dealers.

Luckily, the Canadian system doesn't have the same restrictions. I drew up a simple bill of sale between my relative and myself, effective the date of pickup. I used this, along with the stamped MCO, and was able to start the RIV process under my own name, once I got the vehicle to Canada.

Essentially, I exported the vehicle from the US under my relative's name, and imported it into Canada under my name. I had no problems with insurance, or registration in Canada, pretty much disclosed everything to everyone. (Except US customs, and that was because they didn't ask!).

I saved a ton of money, and the dealer was more than happy to sell the car. Toyota has no restrictions about re-sale, so his ass was firmly covered. He even helped me with faxing things ahead of time to US customs, and getting me a service printout to prove recall clearance.

[whampoa]

The practice is actually called arbitrage - or carbitrage. It's existed since the beginning of commerce.

What's the point of capitalism if not to make a profit. Last time I look, I don't remembered any non-profit automaker, in North America atleast.

[Rehan]

For those interested in importing a New Toyota from a dealer in the States:

If you have a relative/friend in the states, you can arrange the purchase under their name, and, more importantly, also avoid extra registration fees and US sales tax.

I just did this by picking a dealership from a different state as my relative. In this case, the dealer will just give you a temporary permit, and a copy of the MCO (Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin). This can be faxed to the US border, and will allow you to export the car without actually registering in the states or paying state sales tax. If you buy in the same state as your relative, then the dealer is pretty much obligated to register and plate the car. The out-of-state thing is crucial if you want to avoid the extra delay and cost of having to register and tranfer the car.

All the paperwork was done by courier between the dealer and my relative. I brought the payment, and picked up the vehicle. There was no need to actually physically, or financially, involve my relative in the transaction.

The trick is that you have to indicate to US customs that your relative is the purchaser/exporter and that you are the transporter. Their name will have to go on the MCO, and you cannot transfer the MCO, in the States, between individuals. It can only be transfered from a dealer to an individual, or between dealers.

Luckily, the Canadian system doesn't have the same restrictions. I drew up a simple bill of sale between my relative and myself, effective the date of pickup. I used this, along with the stamped MCO, and was able to start the RIV process under my own name, once I got the vehicle to Canada.

Essentially, I exported the vehicle from the US under my relative's name, and imported it into Canada under my name. I had no problems with insurance, or registration in Canada, pretty much disclosed everything to everyone. (Except US customs, and that was because they didn't ask!).

I saved a ton of money, and the dealer was more than happy to sell the car. Toyota has no restrictions about re-sale, so his ass was firmly covered. He even helped me with faxing things ahead of time to US customs, and getting me a service printout to prove recall clearance. Excellent tips, and a great first post kehoz. Welcome to RFD. :)

Are there any problems US Customs potentially could have given you, if they were more strict when processing the export?

[jrvic]

For those interested in importing a New Toyota from a dealer in the States:

If you have a relative/friend in the states, you can arrange the purchase under their name, and, more importantly, also avoid extra registration fees and US sales tax.

I just did this by picking a dealership from a different state as my relative. In this case, the dealer will just give you a temporary permit, and a copy of the MCO (Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin). This can be faxed to the US border, and will allow you to export the car without actually registering in the states or paying state sales tax. If you buy in the same state as your relative, then the dealer is pretty much obligated to register and plate the car. The out-of-state thing is crucial if you want to avoid the extra delay and cost of having to register and tranfer the car.

All the paperwork was done by courier between the dealer and my relative. I brought the payment, and picked up the vehicle. There was no need to actually physically, or financially, involve my relative in the transaction.

The trick is that you have to indicate to US customs that your relative is the purchaser/exporter and that you are the transporter. Their name will have to go on the MCO, and you cannot transfer the MCO, in the States, between individuals. It can only be transfered from a dealer to an individual, or between dealers.

Luckily, the Canadian system doesn't have the same restrictions. I drew up a simple bill of sale between my relative and myself, effective the date of pickup. I used this, along with the stamped MCO, and was able to start the RIV process under my own name, once I got the vehicle to Canada.

Essentially, I exported the vehicle from the US under my relative's name, and imported it into Canada under my name. I had no problems with insurance, or registration in Canada, pretty much disclosed everything to everyone. (Except US customs, and that was because they didn't ask!).

I saved a ton of money, and the dealer was more than happy to sell the car. Toyota has no restrictions about re-sale, so his ass was firmly covered. He even helped me with faxing things ahead of time to US customs, and getting me a service printout to prove recall clearance.
I tried the exact same thing with a couple of Lexus dealers and they did not bite. They both insisted that they do the registration of the vehicle (out of state), so I must pay the tax and registration up front.
Anyways, glad that you were able to do this to the Toyota dealer. Congrats.

[gg_gg]

(this Thread is looong! :confused: )

this is my first time posting so i hope i'm doing things correctly. just wondering if anyone here has or know of anyone who has imported either a Mercedes SLK or a Audi TT to Canada recently and can share some light?

[sonic19982]

For those of you who bought in the US, what modifications did you have to get to get the Sienna approved to Canadian standards? How did they change the odometer in the vehicle?

[shopper-X]

(this Thread is looong! :confused: )

this is my first time posting so i hope i'm doing things correctly. just wondering if anyone here has or know of anyone who has imported either a Mercedes SLK or a Audi TT to Canada recently and can share some light?

Audi should be straight forward but Mercedes is another story.
Check the RIV Admissibility List (http://www.riv.ca/english/html/us_vehicle_admissibility.html) for details.

Also try the "Search this Thread" option at the top of every page. I've been reading this thread for over a year and I still have to use it.
http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/6561/searchbl2.png

[dheath]

I am in Winnipeg.... Can anybody help in getting car there...

Any nearby US Dealers which sells car to Canadians... I have US SSN also.. if that helps...

What things I need to take care... What are the total expense.... mean Duties fees etc ? If you have any process let me know

Please help... God Bless You...:lol:

I picked my Outback up today from Grand Forks Subaru (2 hours south of Winnipeg). I PM'd you.

[yyz2hkg]

For those of you who bought in the US, what modifications did you have to get to get the Sienna approved to Canadian standards? How did they change the odometer in the vehicle?

IIRC, Daytime Running Lights are standard on the 08's, correct me if i'm wrong. As for the odometer, no changes needed as long as both Miles and Kilometres are shown. www.RIV.ca will list all modifications that need to be done. If that doesn't help, go to www.toyota.com and check the specifications and standard features on the Sienna. Have Fun!

[ecgz88]

dealer are lie to you, I heard lots of US customer from WA go to CA to buy Lexus there, since in CA Lexus/Toyota price is always lower than invoice:) .....and customer don't need to pay CA Tax


I tried the exact same thing with a couple of Lexus dealers and they did not bite. They both insisted that they do the registration of the vehicle (out of state), so I must pay the tax and registration up front.
Anyways, glad that you were able to do this to the Toyota dealer. Congrats.

[sonic19982]

I finally found a US Toyota dealer willing to sell to me. However, I have concerns over the registration with Toyota USA. My dealer says that in order to get around the registration issue, the vehicle will be registered under the dealerships address in the Toyota USA computers. Once we get the vehicle back to Canada we simply have to call Toyota USA to update them of the vehicles new address and the registration will be complete. This will allow us to use the warranty and get recall notices sent to us. Is this true? Have any of you had problems doing this?

[zonie]

Can one buy a US Toyota Extended Care Protection Warranty on a Canadian purchased & registered Toyota?

It's a lot cheaper (http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.ef071a2/3017?@507.Iuo0aOtbh7U@).
Just an update on this: I contacted the first company on that list (MidWest), and they said they can't sell extended warranties in this case.

[jrvic]

dealer are lie to you, I heard lots of US customer from WA go to CA to buy Lexus there, since in CA Lexus/Toyota price is always lower than invoice:) .....and customer don't need to pay CA Tax

That's true people in the US buy cars from out of state, but the CA dealers suppose to collect the money for sales tax and registration for WA. The WA will then mail the plates to the buyers to their homes.

[yyz2hkg]

So...just out of curiosity then, what if a person has dual citizenship? Is he/she able to buy a vehicle and import the vehicle back to Canada without any restrictions? That means the dealers are able to sell to them, correct?

[pgfreak]

An obvious problem here is that you cant drive the car first right ... how about that factor?

And where can we look for a 2003 Tiburon??? lol

[Rehan]

So...just out of curiosity then, what if a person has dualcitizenship? Is he/she able to buy a vehicle and import the vehicle back to Canada without any restrictions? That means the dealers are able to sell to them, correct? It's your home address (on your driver's license, for example) that matters, not citizenship. When dealing directly with the dealerships, a US citizen living in Canada has no advantage over a Canadian citizen here.

[newt_101]

I'm in the process of bringing a car over from Nevada.
I'm going to fly there, buy it and then DRIVE IT MYSELF Toronto (my home).

Once I take care of all the paperwork on the importing end, what do I do about:

1) Insurance:
Do I have to insure it with a US company?
My company back home?
Can I do a temporary insurance on it just till I drive it home?

2) Plates/Registration:
Do I have to register/plate it in the US or can I take care of it from Canada (temporary plates?). Any ways around this or making it as cheap as possible?

If there are any places I should look about specifically DRIVING IT FROM THE US TO CANADA, please refer me to this as it would be very appreciated.

Regards from a future Mazda MX5 owner,
Marco

[galaxyworld]

Has anyone got success in getting Toyota/Honda car to Winnipeg from USA ....

Please help......I need to get one asap... :)

[yyz2hkg]

So...just out of curiosity then, what if a person has dual citizenship? Is he/she able to buy a vehicle and import the vehicle back to Canada without any restrictions? That means the dealers are able to sell to them, correct?

It's your home address (on your driver's license, for example) that matters, not citizenship. When dealing directly with the dealerships, a US citizen living in Canada has no advantage over a Canadian citizen here.

Now what if he/she has a valid Canadian address? I'm sure there is an advantage somewhat.

[yyz2hkg]

I'm in the process of bringing a car over from Nevada.
I'm going to fly there, buy it and then DRIVE IT MYSELF Toronto (my home).

Once I take care of all the paperwork on the importing end, what do I do about:

1) Insurance:
Do I have to insure it with a US company?
My company back home?
Can I do a temporary insurance on it just till I drive it home?

2) Plates/Registration:
Do I have to register/plate it in the US or can I take care of it from Canada (temporary plates?). Any ways around this or making it as cheap as possible?

If there are any places I should look about specifically DRIVING IT FROM THE US TO CANADA, please refer me to this as it would be very appreciated.

Regards from a future Mazda MX5 owner,
Marco


1. Insurance is from your current provider. Usually they'll insure the vehicle for 7-14 days, depending on your insurance company, enough time for you to import the vehicle back to Canada.

2. If you're purchasing a new vehicle, the dealer will usually provide you with a Temp Plate. You must have a Temp Plate for every STATE that you go through. If used, you need a TEMP Plate for every State you pass through.

It's a lot of work guys, it's not just purchasing the vehicle and driving it up. If you're missing one slight detail, you'll be ending up with a vehicle that not permitted into Canada. Check out this THREAD (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=363416) or this THREAD. (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=477998)

BTW, what year MX-5 are you planning to import? You also might want to check out some of the Mazda MX-5's forums, which detail some of the successful imports of MX-5's. Anyhow, good luck.

[shopper-X]

2. If you're purchasing a new vehicle, the dealer will usually provide you with a Temp Plate. You must have a Temp Plate for every STATE that you go through. If used, you need a TEMP Plate for every State you pass through.


Are you sure you have to have a Temp plate from EVERY state you drive through? I thought the Temp plate was from the originating state (Nevada in this case) where the Title is from.
If you had to get a Temp plate from every state it could take weeks to drive the vehicle back home as you would have to find a licensing office that's open while you are drive through.

[Lax5]

Are you sure you have to have a Temp plate from EVERY state you drive through? I thought the Temp plate was from the originating state (Nevada in this case) where the Title is from.
If you had to get a Temp plate from every state it could take weeks to drive the vehicle back home as you would have to find a licensing office that's open while you are drive through.

When I was preparing to drive my truck back from Arizona I had heard that I needed a temp tag from each state I was going to drive through. I went to each DMV site and found nothing on this. There was something about commercial vehicles having to have a tag, but not passenger vehicles. Needless to say, I just drove home on the tag from the AZ dealer and the binder from ICBC.

[MaDeuce]

All, herewith my first post. Thanks very much to everyone for the outstanding information that's here; what an awesome (and huge!) thread.

I see that confusion about temporary license plates (tags) is a recurring theme here. It's actually quite simple -- all states in the US practice reciprocity for both vehicle and driver licensing. In other words, if your license plate is valid in one state, it is automatically valid in the other 49 states. There are no exceptions to this when it comes to passenger vehicles.

To summarize: you do NOT need a temporary plate from each state you intend to travel through; all you need is a temporary plate from one state, which will be honored by all of the remaining states.

MaDecue

[michelb]

When I was preparing to drive my truck back from Arizona I had heard that I needed a temp tag from each state I was going to drive through. I went to each DMV site and found nothing on this. There was something about commercial vehicles having to have a tag, but not passenger vehicles. Needless to say, I just drove home on the tag from the AZ dealer and the binder from ICBC.

All, herewith my first post. Thanks very much to everyone for the outstanding information that's here; what an awesome (and huge!) thread.

I see that confusion about temporary license plates (tags) is a recurring theme here. It's actually quite simple -- all states in the US practice reciprocity for both vehicle and driver licensing. In other words, if your license plate is valid in one state, it is automatically valid in the other 49 states. There are no exceptions to this when it comes to passenger vehicles.

To summarize: you do NOT need a temporary plate from each state you intend to travel through; all you need is a temporary plate from one state, which will be honored by all of the remaining states.

MaDecue

I can also confirm that I purchased a car in AZ and was told by the DMV that the temp permit is valid for any states. In fact, I asked the OPP about it to and they said it was not a problem using the temp permit in Ontario for as long as I need to get the vehicle registered Ontario (AZ temp permits are valid for 90 days).

[yyz2hkg]

I was given information from the dealer regarding that issue. I know in some parts of the states, a temp plate/transit plate isn't recognized.

"Important information for Massachusetts residents: Massachusetts (MA) does not recognize the NYS in-transit permit. According to the MA Registry of Motor Vehicles, you can receive a ticket for no registration if you use an NYS in-transit permit in MA. This also makes the insurance on the vehicle not valid. MA authorities can impound the vehicle for no valid insurance. For more information, contact the MA Registry of Motor Vehicles."

[ffonly]

For those interested in importing a New Toyota from a dealer in the States:

If you have a relative/friend in the states, you can arrange the purchase under their name, and, more importantly, also avoid extra registration fees and US sales tax.

I just did this by picking a dealership from a different state as my relative. In this case, the dealer will just give you a temporary permit, and a copy of the MCO (Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin). This can be faxed to the US border, and will allow you to export the car without actually registering in the states or paying state sales tax. If you buy in the same state as your relative, then the dealer is pretty much obligated to register and plate the car. The out-of-state thing is crucial if you want to avoid the extra delay and cost of having to register and tranfer the car.

All the paperwork was done by courier between the dealer and my relative. I brought the payment, and picked up the vehicle. There was no need to actually physically, or financially, involve my relative in the transaction.

The trick is that you have to indicate to US customs that your relative is the purchaser/exporter and that you are the transporter. Their name will have to go on the MCO, and you cannot transfer the MCO, in the States, between individuals. It can only be transfered from a dealer to an individual, or between dealers.

Luckily, the Canadian system doesn't have the same restrictions. I drew up a simple bill of sale between my relative and myself, effective the date of pickup. I used this, along with the stamped MCO, and was able to start the RIV process under my own name, once I got the vehicle to Canada.

Essentially, I exported the vehicle from the US under my relative's name, and imported it into Canada under my name. I had no problems with insurance, or registration in Canada, pretty much disclosed everything to everyone. (Except US customs, and that was because they didn't ask!).

I saved a ton of money, and the dealer was more than happy to sell the car. Toyota has no restrictions about re-sale, so his ass was firmly covered. He even helped me with faxing things ahead of time to US customs, and getting me a service printout to prove recall clearance.

If this doesn't work, how about if you have a friend in portland (where they don't have the tax) and you get him to buy it and register it, and then immediately buy it from him, thus not having to pay any taxes and import it up to Canada. Would this work, or am I missing something?

[newt_101]

1. Insurance is from your current provider. Usually they'll insure the vehicle for 7-14 days, depending on your insurance company, enough time for you to import the vehicle back to Canada.

2. If you're purchasing a new vehicle, the dealer will usually provide you with a Temp Plate. You must have a Temp Plate for every STATE that you go through. If used, you need a TEMP Plate for every State you pass through.

It's a lot of work guys, it's not just purchasing the vehicle and driving it up. If you're missing one slight detail, you'll be ending up with a vehicle that not permitted into Canada. Check out this THREAD (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=363416) or this THREAD. (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=477998)

BTW, what year MX-5 are you planning to import? You also might want to check out some of the Mazda MX-5's forums, which detail some of the successful imports of MX-5's. Anyhow, good luck.

Thanks a lot for that help.

I am importing a USED vehicle and will be driving it through quite a few states (Nevada all the way to Ontario). What do I do about that? Obviously it's too much trouble to get temp plates for all of those states just to drive it home.

I'm confused now :S

I am importing a 2001 Miata, I am familar with the modifications that must be made in order to be imported into Canada (bumper and daytime running lights).

[southpaw4golf]

Thanks to everyone that has contributed to this thread, it has given me the confidence to purchase a 2006 VW Touareg from Montana which I will be importing within the next 10 days.

Just to make sure I've got everything straight I want to list the process, if I'm wrong please go ahead correct me.

-Deposit forwarded to dealer on a used vehicle from a dealer located in Montana.

-Intend to wire balance of payment within the next couple of days.

-I will then have the dealer fax a copy of the bill of sale and a copy of the original title in my name to myself and US customs (Sweetgrass Montana) no less than three days from my returning to Canada with the vehicle.

-With bill of sale in hand I can now get insurance on my new purchase before I head down to pick up the vehicle.

-Fly down to US, pick up vehicle at dealership. At the dealership I will need to get a temporary plate, original title with my name on it, original bill of sale
for the trip back to the Canada/US border.
Do I need to get temporary registration for the state of Montana besides
the Dealer Plate?
Can I actually drive all the way back to Edmonton with the dealer issued plate?

-Once at US Customs they will stamp my original title with my name on it, original bill of sale, should be good to go.

-Off to Canada Customs to obtain Form 1, pay gst, duties, and Riv fees.

-Obtain recall letter from VW, must I fax Volkswagen a copy of the Bill of sale in my name to receive the recall letter from VW ?

-Once recall letter is receiver from VW fax that off to Riv, they willl inturn fax back a form 2 which I'll then take down to Canadian Tire for inspection.

-register the vehicle.

[shopper-X]

I was given information from the dealer regarding that issue. I know in some parts of the states, a temp plate/transit plate isn't recognized.

"Important information for Massachusetts residents: Massachusetts (MA) does not recognize the NYS in-transit permit. According to the MA Registry of Motor Vehicles, you can receive a ticket for no registration if you use an NYS in-transit permit in MA. This also makes the insurance on the vehicle not valid. MA authorities can impound the vehicle for no valid insurance. For more information, contact the MA Registry of Motor Vehicles."

The warning is for residents. You're traveling though, just keep all the paperwork in the car and show your ID.

All you need is the Temp plate provided by the dealer and Temp insurance from your insurance company to drive the vehicle.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Thanks to everyone that has contributed to this thread, it has given me the confidence to purchase a 2006 VW Touareg from Montana which I will be importing within the next 10 days.

Just to make sure I've got everything straight I want to list the process, if I'm wrong please go ahead correct me.

-Deposit forwarded to dealer on a used vehicle from a dealer located in Montana.

-Intend to wire balance of payment within the next couple of days.

-I will then have the dealer fax a copy of the bill of sale and a copy of the original title in my name to myself and US customs (Sweetgrass Montana) no less than three days from my returning to Canada with the vehicle.

-With bill of sale in hand I can now get insurance on my new purchase before I head down to pick up the vehicle.

-Fly down to US, pick up vehicle at dealership. At the dealership I will need to get a temporary plate, original title with my name on it, original bill of sale
for the trip back to the Canada/US border.
Do I need to get temporary registration for the state of Montana besides
the Dealer Plate?
Can I actually drive all the way back to Edmonton with the dealer issued plate?

-Once at US Customs they will stamp my original title with my name on it, original bill of sale, should be good to go.

-Off to Canada Customs to obtain Form 1, pay gst, duties, and Riv fees.

-Obtain recall letter from VW, must I fax Volkswagen a copy of the Bill of sale in my name to receive the recall letter from VW ?

-Once recall letter is receiver from VW fax that off to Riv, they willl inturn fax back a form 2 which I'll then take down to Canadian Tire for inspection.

-register the vehicle.

We're glad to give you our insight.

I can't say what Montana's registration requirements are but in NY State, a temporary transit permit implies that the car is in transit and has not yet been registered. IMHO I don't think you need to do anything in Montana after you get the transit permit.

I don't think you would need a transit permit for any other state you travel in.

In my case, I was sure I didn't need an Ontario transit permit but my insurer insisted I get one. For the $15, it wasn't worth thinking about...

Welcome to the exclusive RED FLAG DEALS SUPER SAVER CLUB.

[yyz2hkg]

Thanks a lot for that help.

I am importing a USED vehicle and will be driving it through quite a few states (Nevada all the way to Ontario). What do I do about that? Obviously it's too much trouble to get temp plates for all of those states just to drive it home.

I'm confused now :S

I am importing a 2001 Miata, I am familar with the modifications that must be made in order to be imported into Canada (bumper and daytime running lights).

Just confirm with the DMV in Nevada. It seems logical to require only one Temp Plate/Transit Permit to get the car where you want. I was probably given the wrong info when I had to go through 2 States. Others have reported the requirements of multiple Temp Plates too, as I applied for 2 Temp Plates and inquired at the local DMV when I purchased. Anyhow, good luck.

[southpaw4golf]

Hi Monsieur,
thanks for the welcoming and also for the info

[eastsidesubaru]

[QUOTE=kellan165;5556549]Well you can add me to the list as successfully importing a 2008 Nissan Armada this week.
/QUOTE]

Way to go kellan165! We are still waiting for the Subie we want. The dealer has gone completely silent (on holiday?)



Teep... contact me :cheesygri I have no life. ;)

[bionicbadger]

-I will then have the dealer fax a copy of the bill of sale and a copy of the original title in my name to myself and US customs (Sweetgrass Montana) no less than three days from my returning to Canada with the vehicle.

Make sure its at least 3 full business days before to be sure.


-Fly down to US, pick up vehicle at dealership. At the dealership I will need to get a temporary plate, original title with my name on it, original bill of sale
for the trip back to the Canada/US border.
Do I need to get temporary registration for the state of Montana besides
the Dealer Plate?
Can I actually drive all the way back to Edmonton with the dealer issued plate?

The "temporary plate" is just a piece of paper that sticks in the back window.
I drove from seattle to Edmonton with the paper intransit permit with no problems.


-Obtain recall letter from VW, must I fax Volkswagen a copy of the Bill of sale in my name to receive the recall letter from VW ?

-Once recall letter is receiver from VW fax that off to Riv, they willl inturn fax back a form 2 which I'll then take down to Canadian Tire for inspection.

Not sure about VW specifically, but they will probably want to get a copy of the title, the back of the title usually has ownership info and if the car is sold, its recorded there and stamped with notary seal.

Phone RIV shortly after you fax the recall letter (AND your title, CoO) and ask them to fax or email you the form 2

If your car is used (2006 so I'm thinking it is) you will need an out of province inspection.

[thegradas]

I've seen yesterday a new Sonata with Oklahoma 60-day temp plate in Kitchener, ON... it doesn't seem you're right...


2. If you're purchasing a new vehicle, the dealer will usually provide you with a Temp Plate. [B]You must have a Temp Plate for every STATE that you go through. If used, you need a TEMP Plate for every State you pass through.

[uncle_odb]

[QUOTE=kellan165;5556549]Well you can add me to the list as successfully importing a 2008 Nissan Armada this week.
/QUOTE]

Way to go kellan165! We are still waiting for the Subie we want. The dealer has gone completely silent (on holiday?)

Teep, have you contacted Zach at Eastside Subaru? He'll be able to help you out and provide you with the service you expect. Good luck with your Subie purchase!

[okano]

cancelling this post

[teep]

Ok - thanks - contacted that one now - other dealer has died I think.

[diigii]

Monsieurmaggot, add me to ever-growing list of RFD members who have successfully bought and imported a car here in Canada!!!

I came back this morning from my 9-day long vacation in Frederick, MD and Alexandria, VA area. Not only did I picked up my car at Herb Gordon Nissan in Silver Spring, MD, but I also got to drive my car in and around the DC area especially in the picturesque George Washington Parkway!! What a way to enjoy my car's first drive. I came back today having put 820 miles already, 400 short of the break-in period. Before I left for Maryland, I arranged for the dealership to have a Maryland temporary tag, certificate of title. The recall clearance letter was drafted when I went there.

Here was my purchasing experience which may not have proceeded as pleasantly as I would liked it to be. We arrived in Frederick, MD on Sunday afternoon (Aug 26) to relatives I haven't seen in a long time. That's also a bonus on this trip. I got to see 5 families/relatives I haven't seen in almost 20 years.

Anyway Aug 27, we went to the dealer with the bank draft. It was endorsed the same day. I was confident before I left TO that the draft clearing won't be a hassle since I was assured by my friend who worked at TD Bank that it won't be a problem as long as the dealer's bank asked for a draft fax verification tha the funds are good and clear. Little did I know that Wells Fargo would be a factor in the draft's clearing period. In short, I wasn't able to pick up my car on Aug 27 or 28 as I have expected but on Aug 31!!! I had to wait for 5 days for the bank draft to clear! The dealership was gracious though in giving me a loaner so I can returned my rental car and won't incur more expenses. I was loaned a 2006 Altima 2.5S that I drove around DC from Aug 28-30.

The following is my vehicle export process experience at Lewiston-Queenston Bridge Crossing.

9:05am : Arrived at the US Customs Vehicle Export office. Customs guy who felt like not working that morning took my certificate of title and asked which date it was faxed. Not sure what date the dealership faxed it so I said either Aug 27, 28 or 29. He gave all 3 date files and looked for myself. I found it on the Aug 28 file. Five minutes later, after my certificate of title was red-stamped and hole-punched with date, petite US Customs lady went out with me and physically matched VIN on dash and compliance label on door jam with the original title. We were sent off to Canada after she spent 20 seconds matching everything. Some guy was waiting outside for his brand new Porsche Carrera to be checked as well!!!!! Time between arriving inside office to actual verification was wasted on chit-chat between all three US Customs personnel. It was about some co-worker's attitude!!

9:35am : Stopped at Canada Customs crossing and declared to Customs lady that I am importing car I'm driving. She asked how much I paid and was actually interested in how I got the best deal. She even said they are cheaper down there. After asking about car's price, she asked if we had anymore to declare. I declared $200 worth of personal effects. Afterwards, I was sent off to Canada Customs office to pay RIV and GST.

9:45am : Filled out Form 1. US purchase price was converted to CAD value using 1.0564 exchange rate. Paid GST and Excise taxes. Waived RIV payment choice and chose to pay at RIV office myself.

11:22am : Arrived at RIV office at 405 The West Mall. Form 1, title and recall clearance letter were checked and returned. Paid $206.70 via debit card. Seated for about 5 mins; used their phone to call my dearly beloved! :cheesygri

11:30am : Form 2 was given and left RIV office. Headed home to rest since I drove all night from Maryland.

So there ya go for you folks still doubting if you can do it!!!!

So when is our get-together?! Summer weather is disappearing fast! :cheesygri

[whampoa]

Diigii,

Congrats, and welcome to the ever growing exclusive super saver club.

I see you manage to spent up to nine days in MD and Virginia area. How did you ever manage to stay for so long?

I spend about four days in Alexandria, driving my imported Subaru Outback. And let me tell you, I'm bored to death.

Nothing really to see except for the museums, capitol hill and monuments.

The only good parts is the driving back and spent a day tax-free shopping at Grove City, PA.

Leesburg Corner, VA doesn't do it for me, I heard Potomac Mills, VA is way better for outlet shopping in the DC and Alexandria areas.

[Vitulla]

any luck passing the us customs with just 48 hour notice?

[eastsidesubaru]

Congrats diigii! monsiuer.. have you ever tried adding up all the money you've saved RFD'rs??? bet it tops $1million ;)
teep.. pm'd you.

[fulrach]

Monsieurmaggot, add me to ever-growing list of RFD members who have successfully bought and imported a car here in Canada!!!

I came back this morning from my 9-day long vacation in Frederick, MD and Alexandria, VA area. Not only did I picked up my car at Herb Gordon Nissan in Silver Spring, MD, but I also got to drive my car in and around the DC area especially in the picturesque George Washington Parkway!! What a way to enjoy my car's first drive. I came back today having put 820 miles already, 400 short of the break-in period. Before I left for Maryland, I arranged for the dealership to have a Maryland temporary tag, certificate of title. The recall clearance letter was drafted when I went there.

Here was my purchasing experience which may not have proceeded as pleasantly as I would liked it to be. We arrived in Frederick, MD on Sunday afternoon (Aug 26) to relatives I haven't seen in a long time. That's also a bonus on this trip. I got to see 5 families/relatives I haven't seen in almost 20 years.

Anyway Aug 27, we went to the dealer with the bank draft. It was endorsed the same day. I was confident before I left TO that the draft clearing won't be a hassle since I was assured by my friend who worked at TD Bank that it won't be a problem as long as the dealer's bank asked for a draft fax verification tha the funds are good and clear. Little did I know that Wells Fargo would be a factor in the draft's clearing period. In short, I wasn't able to pick up my car on Aug 27 or 28 as I have expected but on Aug 31!!! I had to wait for 5 days for the bank draft to clear! The dealership was gracious though in giving me a loaner so I can returned my rental car and won't incur more expenses. I was loaned a 2006 Altima 2.5S that I drove around DC from Aug 28-30.

The following is my vehicle export process experience at Lewiston-Queenston Bridge Crossing.

9:05am : Arrived at the US Customs Vehicle Export office. Customs guy who felt like not working that morning took my certificate of title and asked which date it was faxed. Not sure what date the dealership faxed it so I said either Aug 27, 28 or 29. He gave all 3 date files and looked for myself. I found it on the Aug 28 file. Five minutes later, after my certificate of title was red-stamped and hole-punched with date, petite US Customs lady went out with me and physically matched VIN on dash and compliance label on door jam with the original title. We were sent off to Canada after she spent 20 seconds matching everything. Some guy was waiting outside for his brand new Porsche Carrera to be checked as well!!!!! Time between arriving inside office to actual verification was wasted on chit-chat between all three US Customs personnel. It was about some co-worker's attitude!!

9:35am : Stopped at Canada Customs crossing and declared to Customs lady that I am importing car I'm driving. She asked how much I paid and was actually interested in how I got the best deal. She even said they are cheaper down there. After asking about car's price, she asked if we had anymore to declare. I declared $200 worth of personal effects. Afterwards, I was sent off to Canada Customs office to pay RIV and GST.

9:45am : Filled out Form 1. US purchase price was converted to CAD value using 1.0564 exchange rate. Paid GST and Excise taxes. Waived RIV payment choice and chose to pay at RIV office myself.

11:22am : Arrived at RIV office at 405 The West Mall. Form 1, title and recall clearance letter were checked and returned. Paid $206.70 via debit card. Seated for about 5 mins; used their phone to call my dearly beloved! :cheesygri

11:30am : Form 2 was given and left RIV office. Headed home to rest since I drove all night from Maryland.

So there ya go for you folks still doubting if you can do it!!!!

So when is our get-together?! Summer weather is disappearing fast! :cheesygri



Congrats on your purchase! Can I ask which car you ended up purchasing? Thanks :)

[uncle_odb]

Ok - thanks - contacted that one now - other dealer has died I think.

Good Teep, that's what happened to me too. So that's why I called Zach for my Subie purchase. Good luck!

[sheriffabc]

A job well done. I too was in Md during that time and couldnt get a Toyota dealer to sell to me - guess I should go for an Altima.

Can you please give me an idea of price and how cooperative was the dealer and whom did you specifically deal with. I out of frustration almost picked an Subaru Outback - as that dealer was cooperative but my wife did not like the vehicle. I returned tonite (Sept 4) alas empty handed - but can go again - love to see my grandson again

What do you estimate the savings?

TIA

Bob

[diigii]

Diigii,

Congrats, and welcome to the ever growing exclusive super saver club.

I see you manage to spent up to nine days in MD and Virginia area. How did you ever manage to stay for so long?

I spend about four days in Alexandria, driving my imported Subaru Outback. And let me tell you, I'm bored to death.

Nothing really to see except for the museums, capitol hill and monuments.

The only good parts is the driving back and spent a day tax-free shopping at Grove City, PA.

Leesburg Corner, VA doesn't do it for me, I heard Potomac Mills, VA is way better for outlet shopping in the DC and Alexandria areas.

Hahaha!!!! I have a lot of relatives from my mom's side in Maryland and Virginia so the 9 days I've spent there is not only visiting museums and memorials. It was food, getting re-acquianted with relatives I haven't seen in almost 20 yrs and more food. I think I've gained about 5 lbs from all those blue crabs and shrimps we ate. This was my first time to visit the U.S. Holocaust Memorial too. Yeah, I love going to Grove City, PA. I see that you went a bit out of the way to get back to TO. I usually take this route: I-83, US Hwy 15, I-390, I-90 when going to DC.

[st7860]

i dont understand - how can you gain weight eating a lot of shrimp?

[diigii]

A job well done. I too was in Md during that time and couldnt get a Toyota dealer to sell to me - guess I should go for an Altima.

Can you please give me an idea of price and how cooperative was the dealer and whom did you specifically deal with. I out of frustration almost picked an Subaru Outback - as that dealer was cooperative but my wife did not like the vehicle. I returned tonite (Sept 4) alas empty handed - but can go again - love to see my grandson again

What do you estimate the savings?

TIA

Bob

I figured I saved about CAD$10,000. I still have to tally everything to get the real cost. I just got back yesterday and still tired. No mood to crunch numbers yet.

[diigii]

Congrats on your purchase! Can I ask which car you ended up purchasing? Thanks :)

Thanks!!! It's a 2007 Nissan Altima 3.5 SE. Good luck finding the same car loaded with the Sport Package that US-spec cars come with here from Canadian dealers at CAD$25,554 here in Canada! I was tempted to drop by a Scarborough-area dealer just to piss them off but I backed off. :cheesygri

[diigii]

i dont understand - how can you gain weight eating a lot of shrimp? I should've added the other foods we had and should've said how high my cholesterol is right now. When you eat rice, baked potatoes, bread, roasted pork, bbq pork, more rice, and more Filipino specialty noodle dishes. And no exercise because you're busy telling stories with relatives. Then you have beers too! Don't you think you'll gain with all that food and no exercise? :cheesygri

[overboost]

Quick question...

My father plans to import a car and all the paperwork will be under his name.

Is it possible for me, his son, to drive the car from the USA into Canada on his behalf? All the paperwork is under my father's name...I will be the one driving the car to the border. Does anyone know if this is OK? I have not found anything that states the rules on who can actually import the car.

[diigii]

Congrats diigii! monsiuer.. have you ever tried adding up all the money you've saved RFD'rs??? bet it tops $1million ;)
teep.. pm'd you.

Thanks! I saw a lot of newly-bought Subarus there. Actually, the dealer I bought my car from also owns a Subaru franchise. They're a rich family operating other franchises: Nissan, Subaru, Ford, Mercedes-Benz, Volvo, Saturn

[chene]

Thanks!!! It's a 2007 Nissan Altima 3.5 SE. Good luck finding the same car loaded with the Sport Package that US-spec cars come with here from Canadian dealers at CAD$25,554 here in Canada! I was tempted to drop by a Scarborough-area dealer just to piss them off but I backed off. :cheesygri

Good job Diigii, that's the car I was thinking of importing as well. It is either this or the Altima Hybrid.

Once you have some dealing with ON dealer with regarding to warranty services, can you please let us know if the warranty is honoured in Canada? There are many conflicting reports about Nissan/Warranty and this is the only issue stopping me from importing.

tia,

[diigii]

Quick question...

My father plans to import a car and all the paperwork will be under his name.

Is it possible for me, his son, to drive the car from the USA into Canada on his behalf? All the paperwork is under my father's name...I will be the one driving the car to the border. Does anyone know if this is OK? I have not found anything that states the rules on who can actually import the car.

YES!!! It doesn't matter if it's you bringing the car over. As long as you have all the paperwork related to the car you are driving back. But bring your passport or citizenship card just to be sure about your identity. US Customs did not even ask for ID. The certificate of title and bill of sale are the only documents they care about. Lewiston-Queenston Bridge is very particular about the 72-hr notice. DO NOT think they will process your car by talking to them if you're under the 72-hr notice. They will NOT process it. I saw it first-hand when I was there yesterday morning.

[diigii]

Good job Diigii, that's the car I was thinking of importing as well. It is either this or the Altima Hybrid.

Once you have some dealing with ON dealer with regarding to warranty services, can you please let us know if the warranty is honoured in Canada? There are many conflicting reports about Nissan/Warranty and this is the only issue stopping me from importing.

tia,

Hi Tia! Tia Carrere? :cheesygri Yes, too many conflicting reports of Canadian dealerships honoring warranty work. But the US dealer assured me if ever I run into problems here, I can just drive to Buffalo-area dealerships to get warranty work.

You'll love the Altima. I love it!!! If ever you need the dealership info I got it from in Maryland, pm me.

[tico 1948]

i dont understand - how can you gain weight eating a lot of shrimp?

My Wife's Shrimp Creole or Seafood Supreme does it for me. Only problem is, She dosen't serve it often enough.>:( Maybe just as well, I'd need new clothes instead of a new vehicle. I'd better shut-up, I'm off topic.

[diigii]

My Wife's Shrimp Creole or Seafood Supreme does it for me. Only problem is, She dosen't serve it often enough.>:( Maybe just as well, I'd need new clothes instead of a new vehicle. I'd better shut-up, I'm off topic.

That was the dish!!!! Shrimp Creole!!!! Now, you made me crave for that dish again. :)

[HotDeal]

I had to pay sales tax but still worth the savings. By the way I picked up my van in Michigan.

To cover my gas expenses of a drive to Michigan and return with two vehicles I purchased tires (for my old vehicle) at Costco in U.S.. My cost (tax in) for 4 Michelins under $300 U.S. and the same tires at Costco in Canada are $560.

I was ready to buy BF Goodrich tires but when I was there Michelins were on sale $60 off the price of 4 tires ($2-3 higher then BF Goorich with longer warranty of 80,000 miles).

Thanks for everyones help.

[eastsidesubaru]

Thanks! I saw a lot of newly-bought Subarus there. Actually, the dealer I bought my car from also owns a Subaru franchise. They're a rich family operating other franchises: Nissan, Subaru, Ford, Mercedes-Benz, Volvo, Saturn

Nice... the only franchises we have are just Subaru, Hyundai, and Nissan. :cheesygri

[Rocklegend]

The Hot new trend for cars is sturdy, inexpensive — and probably not American-made. By Next year we will see new cars sold for between $4000 - $8,000.

Yes, brand new cars!


http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4159/is_20050807/ai_n14862234

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18097600/

[whampoa]

not American-made.

Are you sure about that?

Unless you're buying Masserati, Ferrari or Bentley. Not alot of cars are made outside of North American. Even some Lexus models are made in the USA.

[diigii]

The Hot new trend for cars is sturdy, inexpensive — and probably not American-made. By Next year we will see new cars sold for between $4000 - $8,000.

Yes, brand new cars!


http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4159/is_20050807/ai_n14862234

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18097600/

I would not be buying a Chery for sure. Not any car made in China.

[johnsa]

I would not, either. They will likely be recalled for having lead in the paint!:D :D

[Huntingweb]

I would not, either. They will likely be recalled for having lead in the paint!:D :D

I agree with you today.
But, you never know what will happen in 10 years later.

As I know, 20 years ago, people were talking about never buying Japan's car.

[ffonly]

If I have a friend or relative in the u.s. buy a new vehicle (from a different state than the vehicle dealership), would they have to register it before I buy it off him, or can it be transferred to me without them registering it? I'm not sure exactly what kind of signed documentation would be needed at U.S. customs (such as whether the vehicle needed to be registered first in the states)

[hqguy]

I was given information from the dealer regarding that issue. I know in some parts of the states, a temp plate/transit plate isn't recognized.

"Important information for Massachusetts residents: Massachusetts (MA) does not recognize the NYS in-transit permit. According to the MA Registry of Motor Vehicles, you can receive a ticket for no registration if you use an NYS in-transit permit in MA. This also makes the insurance on the vehicle not valid. MA authorities can impound the vehicle for no valid insurance. For more information, contact the MA Registry of Motor Vehicles."

I was going to wait until I had more time to prepare a detailed response but figured I'd quickly give out some valuable information based on my personal experience.

I'm currently in the middle of this whole process - will be driving to Rochester, NY from Toronto Monday to drive my new baby home. Finding the dealer and negotiating the price was a snap thanks to lots of good info on the net (in particular, http://www.carbuyingtips.com is a MUST). Anyhow, my biggest problem came down to a) insurance and b) getting the vehicle back home.

First, with insurance good luck finding any US company who will give you temp insurance to drive to the Canadian border. I tried and couldn't. Why did I do this you ask? Mainly because my current insurer and several I called wouldn't cover me in the US for a yet to be registered vehicle! In the end, I had to escalate to the underwriting department and get an exception on my policy. With that in hand...

Second was sorting out how to the the vehicle home. The dealer would not issue me a temp permit to drive back to Canada as this is illegal! Those temp permits I learned are only valid within the US. Once you drive into Canada they are not valid and if you should get into an accident I'm certain your insurance will be void. I called the DMV in Manhattan and they confirmed that DMV offices are not allowed to issue temp permits for the purpose of export out of the US.

Apparently the only way to legally get your vehicle back to Canada is to either ship on a flatbed, or get a temp permit from your home province. I'm going to MTO tomorrow night to get my permit which is valid for 10 days.

The bottom line: please ensure you have insurance which will cover you for not only transit between US and Canada on an unregisted vehicle and if you need to keep at the dealer for a few days (as in my case), ensure your vehicle is insured while on their lot. Once the title is transferred, dealer insurance will not likely cover any theft, fire etc.

Second, definitely check with the state you are importing from to see whether the use of a temp permit issued by the dealer will be legal for use within Canada. I'd hate to see someone with an accident and void insurance.

Good luck to everyone!

[uncle_odb]

I was going to wait until I had more time to prepare a detailed response but figured I'd quickly give out some valuable information based on my personal experience.

I'm currently in the middle of this whole process - will be driving to Rochester, NY from Toronto Monday to drive my new baby home. Finding the dealer and negotiating the price was a snap thanks to lots of good info on the net (in particular, http://www.carbuyingtips.com is a MUST). Anyhow, my biggest problem came down to a) insurance and b) getting the vehicle back home.

First, with insurance good luck finding any US company who will give you temp insurance to drive to the Canadian border. I tried and couldn't. Why did I do this you ask? Mainly because my current insurer and several I called wouldn't cover me in the US for a yet to be registered vehicle! In the end, I had to escalate to the underwriting department and get an exception on my policy. With that in hand...

Second was sorting out how to the the vehicle home. The dealer would not issue me a temp permit to drive back to Canada as this is illegal! Those temp permits I learned are only valid within the US. Once you drive into Canada they are not valid and if you should get into an accident I'm certain your insurance will be void. I called the DMV in Manhattan and they confirmed that DMV offices are not allowed to issue temp permits for the purpose of export out of the US.

Apparently the only way to legally get your vehicle back to Canada is to either ship on a flatbed, or get a temp permit from your home province. I'm going to MTO tomorrow night to get my permit which is valid for 10 days.

The bottom line: please ensure you have insurance which will cover you for not only transit between US and Canada on an unregisted vehicle and if you need to keep at the dealer for a few days (as in my case), ensure your vehicle is insured while on their lot. Once the title is transferred, dealer insurance will not likely cover any theft, fire etc.

Second, definitely check with the state you are importing from to see whether the use of a temp permit issued by the dealer will be legal for use within Canada. I'd hate to see someone with an accident and void insurance.

Good luck to everyone!

My understanding (correct me if i'm wrong folks), but the trip permit from the dealer only allows us to drive from the dealer to the US border. The dealer should not have a problem issuing a trip permit for this purpose. Prior to picking up our vehicle in the states, we need to purchase an "Insurance Binder" which covers us from driving from the US border to our Home. I don't exactly know what will happen if you get into an accident during transport. If we get into an accident in the states, I assume we are covered under the trip permit of the issuing state? I really don't know. If we get into an accident up in Canada while we are driving our vehicle home, I assume we are covered under our Canadian insurance dealer.

[gg_gg]

(1) i am considering to buy either the mercedes slk or the audi tt... anyone know what the modification cost is for either one?
(i know the mercedes slk will depend on the vin number, but i just want a rough idea... i want to know if i am looking at the $1-3k range, or somewhere more? i heard as much as $10k for the modification!!!)

(2) also, i live in ontario. when the car crosses the broader, do i pay customs (6%) + GST (6%) + PST (8%)??

Thanks folks for your help in advance!!

[jcl4]

Hi there, I am new to this forum, I signed up after seeing this section as I am currently looking to purchase a new car.
It seems like we can save up to 20% buying from us.
Some of you guys reviews/process seemed pretty simple, so maybe I should give it a try. But I would like to ask a few questions, any comments, or suggestion are appreciated.

I am located in Vancouver, BC. So if I want to buy a new 2007 subaru wrx wagon where should I try going? Also anything difference importing into bc?(seems like the majority of you guys are from the Ont. Region)

Does anyone know what price is consider a good deal in US for this car?

I am not quite sure about the insurance of driving the car back from us to Canada, could someone please give me a couple very simple direction to acquire the insurance. ( if not, what happens if I get into an accident?)

What are the Extra $ that I would need to pay aside the US dealer price?
(riv,duty,tax)

What are something I need to take caution on?

Minimum how many days would I need to stay in the US?

THX in advance to any Help. :)

[Jin]

Maybe you can reuse the bumper cover, but the underlying styrofoam/steel support may need to be changed.
You'd also have to put daytime running lights on it, and if the speedo isn't in KM, then a set of stickers put at 31, 37, 50 and 62MPH for their corresponding KM equivalents. I don't know if the odo is digital, but if it is there may be a switch to display km rather than miles...
If you get one with California emissions then you don't have to worry about meeting Canadian emissions regs.
The October Car and Driver had an article comparing the new Solstice GXP with a newer Boxster that a guy bought used with 4000 miles for almost $20,000 US off.
It may be worth getting a newer Boxster with a glass rear window (2001?).....

Sorry just skimming the thread and this (old) answer stuck out to me. Not to be a thread crapper but this is a bad response. I appreciate that people are trying to help each other but if you don't know, don't answer. You may do more harm then good.

First, the body of Boxster's do not need to be modified for import.

Second, there's a daytime running lights mod that takes about five minutes (and $10) to apply here: http://www.whiteson.org/boxster/mods/drl/

Third, the digital spedo on a Boxster can be changed from MPH to KPH by holding the time adjustment knob twisted counter-clockwise for 5 seconds.

Voila all you're all done.

2001 Boxsters actually have plastic windows, 2003 and newer have glass windows.

p.s. I'm sorry if I come off as a snob in this post but it really scares me when people are giving advice and are wrong for things as important as car purchases.

[Jin]

My understanding (correct me if i'm wrong folks), but the trip permit from the dealer only allows us to drive from the dealer to the US border. The dealer should not have a problem issuing a trip permit for this purpose. Prior to picking up our vehicle in the states, we need to purchase an "Insurance Binder" which covers us from driving from the US border to our Home. I don't exactly know what will happen if you get into an accident during transport. If we get into an accident in the states, I assume we are covered under the trip permit of the issuing state? I really don't know. If we get into an accident up in Canada while we are driving our vehicle home, I assume we are covered under our Canadian insurance dealer.

My understanding is that you purchase the binder before you go to pickup the car. The binder of insurance then covers (insures) you while you drive the car in either the states or Canada. The vehicle permit allows you to drive the car in the US (Colorado told me theirs was good for all states for 10 days - $2.20!) but does not provide insurance coverage. That permit is not valid in Canada so further registration (like a temp permit) is required in Canada as soon as possible once you get into the country (the binder is still insuring the parked car though). I cannot comment on temp permits in Canada however since I have heard conflicting stories on how that works from Autoplan brokers.

[scouzi]

My understanding is that you purchase the binder before you go to pickup the car. The binder of insurance then covers (insures) you while you drive the car in either the states or Canada. The vehicle permit allows you to drive the car in the US (Colorado told me theirs was good for all states for 10 days - $2.20!) but does not provide insurance coverage. That permit is not valid in Canada so further registration (like a temp permit) is required in Canada as soon as possible once you get into the country (the binder is still insuring the parked car though). I cannot comment on temp permits in Canada however since I have heard conflicting stories on how that works from Autoplan brokers.


The validity of temp permits is not "Canadian" , it's provincial. US state temp permits are legal in Quebec for example. People need to validate with their provincial DMV.

[scouzi]

I was going to wait until I had more time to prepare a detailed response but figured I'd quickly give out some valuable information based on my personal experience.

I'm currently in the middle of this whole process - will be driving to Rochester, NY from Toronto Monday to drive my new baby home. Finding the dealer and negotiating the price was a snap thanks to lots of good info on the net (in particular, http://www.carbuyingtips.com is a MUST). Anyhow, my biggest problem came down to a) insurance and b) getting the vehicle back home.

First, with insurance good luck finding any US company who will give you temp insurance to drive to the Canadian border. I tried and couldn't. Why did I do this you ask? Mainly because my current insurer and several I called wouldn't cover me in the US for a yet to be registered vehicle! In the end, I had to escalate to the underwriting department and get an exception on my policy. With that in hand...

Second was sorting out how to the the vehicle home. The dealer would not issue me a temp permit to drive back to Canada as this is illegal! Those temp permits I learned are only valid within the US. Once you drive into Canada they are not valid and if you should get into an accident I'm certain your insurance will be void. I called the DMV in Manhattan and they confirmed that DMV offices are not allowed to issue temp permits for the purpose of export out of the US.

Apparently the only way to legally get your vehicle back to Canada is to either ship on a flatbed, or get a temp permit from your home province. I'm going to MTO tomorrow night to get my permit which is valid for 10 days.

The bottom line: please ensure you have insurance which will cover you for not only transit between US and Canada on an unregisted vehicle and if you need to keep at the dealer for a few days (as in my case), ensure your vehicle is insured while on their lot. Once the title is transferred, dealer insurance will not likely cover any theft, fire etc.

Second, definitely check with the state you are importing from to see whether the use of a temp permit issued by the dealer will be legal for use within Canada. I'd hate to see someone with an accident and void insurance.

Good luck to everyone!

The DMV of the State doesn't know anything about Canada. They can't make bold claims like that. You have to contact your own provincial authorities to see if they accept US temp permits.

[scouzi]

My understanding (correct me if i'm wrong folks), but the trip permit from the dealer only allows us to drive from the dealer to the US border. The dealer should not have a problem issuing a trip permit for this purpose. Prior to picking up our vehicle in the states, we need to purchase an "Insurance Binder" which covers us from driving from the US border to our Home. I don't exactly know what will happen if you get into an accident during transport. If we get into an accident in the states, I assume we are covered under the trip permit of the issuing state? I really don't know. If we get into an accident up in Canada while we are driving our vehicle home, I assume we are covered under our Canadian insurance dealer.

Youre binder will insure you in the States also. As long as they know the VIN ahead of time.

Get $2 million liability insurance on your binder.

[imnew]

Hi there, I am new to this forum, I signed up after seeing this section as I am currently looking to purchase a new car.
It seems like we can save up to 20% buying from us.
Some of you guys reviews/process seemed pretty simple, so maybe I should give it a try. But I would like to ask a few questions, any comments, or suggestion are appreciated.

I am located in Vancouver, BC. So if I want to buy a new 2007 subaru wrx wagon where should I try going? Also anything difference importing into bc?(seems like the majority of you guys are from the Ont. Region)

Does anyone know what price is consider a good deal in US for this car?

I am not quite sure about the insurance of driving the car back from us to Canada, could someone please give me a couple very simple direction to acquire the insurance. ( if not, what happens if I get into an accident?)

What are the Extra $ that I would need to pay aside the US dealer price?
(riv,duty,tax)

What are something I need to take caution on?

Minimum how many days would I need to stay in the US?

THX in advance to any Help. :)


JC.... Read this whole thread and you will get it... Have fun...

[Da Mango]

Hi there, I am new to this forum, I signed up after seeing this section as I am currently looking to purchase a new car.
It seems like we can save up to 20% buying from us.
Some of you guys reviews/process seemed pretty simple, so maybe I should give it a try. But I would like to ask a few questions, any comments, or suggestion are appreciated.

I am located in Vancouver, BC. So if I want to buy a new 2007 subaru wrx wagon where should I try going? Also anything difference importing into bc?(seems like the majority of you guys are from the Ont. Region)

Does anyone know what price is consider a good deal in US for this car?

I am not quite sure about the insurance of driving the car back from us to Canada, could someone please give me a couple very simple direction to acquire the insurance. ( if not, what happens if I get into an accident?)

What are the Extra $ that I would need to pay aside the US dealer price?
(riv,duty,tax)

What are something I need to take caution on?

Minimum how many days would I need to stay in the US?

THX in advance to any Help. :)

Don't think you can just come in here and not read the 286 pages of this thread... after you read it, there is a quiz you need to pass before you can start importing. :razz: hehe jk Actually, there is a dealer guy here in the thread... eastsidesubaru or something that's in WA... talk to him, I'm sure he can help... Subarus are one of the easier vehicles to import....

[Somboa]

Any recommendation for the Canadian Tire inspection? I plan on going straight to RIV after I cross the border (Monday now, instead of Friday) and hopefully go to Canadian Tire right away and then to the MTO office.

I know any Canadian Tire can do it but I'd prefer one that isn't as anal and does has done it so they'll simply look at it, spend 3 minutes and stamp it versus looking through every nook and cranny.

Is there one near the RIV office and any experience with that particular one?

Thanks!

[diigii]

Hi there, I am new to this forum, I signed up after seeing this section as I am currently looking to purchase a new car.
It seems like we can save up to 20% buying from us.
Some of you guys reviews/process seemed pretty simple, so maybe I should give it a try. But I would like to ask a few questions, any comments, or suggestion are appreciated.

I am located in Vancouver, BC. So if I want to buy a new 2007 subaru wrx wagon where should I try going? Also anything difference importing into bc?(seems like the majority of you guys are from the Ont. Region)

Does anyone know what price is consider a good deal in US for this car?

I am not quite sure about the insurance of driving the car back from us to Canada, could someone please give me a couple very simple direction to acquire the insurance. ( if not, what happens if I get into an accident?)

What are the Extra $ that I would need to pay aside the US dealer price?
(riv,duty,tax)

What are something I need to take caution on?

Minimum how many days would I need to stay in the US?

THX in advance to any Help. :)

I don't mean to sound rude or insensitive. But if you read from page 220, you will get all the information on buying a Subaru in WA state. A lot of the people in this forum bought Subaru from WA and there is a famous dealership there who will take care of you. Please read. It's been posted over and over and over again so there is no sense repeating it again. Good luck with your purchase!

[diigii]

The validity of temp permits is not "Canadian" , it's provincial. US state temp permits are legal in Quebec for example. People need to validate with their provincial DMV.
Prior to going to Maryland, I was at an MTO branch in Scarborough renewing my validation sticker to my old car. After I did that, I asked the lady if I still need a temp ON permit to drive an imported car. She told me that as long as I have the certificate title, bill of sale, Customs Form 1 and the Customs GST/Excise receipt with me in the car, I don't need an Ontario temp permit. So I crossed back into Canada after a week and drove the car with Maryland temp tags. I'm still driving with them while I'm in the process of getting the federal inspection.

[shopper-X]

(1) i am considering to buy either the mercedes slk or the audi tt... anyone know what the modification cost is for either one?
(i know the mercedes slk will depend on the vin number, but i just want a rough idea... i want to know if i am looking at the $1-3k range, or somewhere more? i heard as much as $10k for the modification!!!)

(2) also, i live in ontario. when the car crosses the broader, do i pay customs (6%) + GST (6%) + PST (8%)??

Thanks folks for your help in advance!!

Seems like you're the first one for a SLK, so you have to do the work.
Read the How to Import (http://www.riv.ca/english/html/how_to_import.html) page on the www.riv.ca site.
Check the list of Passenger Vehicle modification's (http://www.riv.ca/english/html/mod_inspect_requirements.html) on this RIV page: LINK (http://www.riv.ca/english/html/mod_inspect_requirements.html).
Basically take the list of Modifications to a Mercedes dealer and ask for which items are not on the US models. Get a quote as to how much it will cost to add the remaining items and then it's up to you as to proceed with the purchase.

Good luck and post your results.

[flaming homer]

As I know, 20 years ago, people were talking about never buying Japan's car.1987, isn't that when Japan won the auto-war ?

Next crop is Korean, I've been saying no to the in the past decade, but that'll probably change soon. China is very far off unless you're a student and just need "wheels"...

Even some Lexus models are made in the USA.Sadder. Lexus RX350 is made in Ontario, and I can't get anyone in NY to sell back a Canadian product back to a Canadian....

[DrXenon]

Subaru USA should be motivated to make deals these days; their monthly sales are down 7.5% at 16,573 (08/06: 17,809). I wonder what accounts for that?

Another interesting stat is that Toyota sells 10 cars for every 1 Subaru sells. If that ratio holds in Canada, it might explain why the prices here are so high -- the dealers are selling so few cars that they need to make a lot more per car to pay the overhead.

[jcl4]

Wow, this forum replies pretty fast.

Thanks for all the good helps, I just read the first 15, and last 15pages of this thread, I guess I will start looking for the subaru dealer in WA, from page 220 -_-.

[shopper-X]

Wow, this forum replies pretty fast.

Thanks for all the good helps, I just read the first 15, and last 15pages of this thread, I guess I will start looking for the subaru dealer in WA, from page 220 -_-.

Zachary Bridge @ Eastside Subaru is on the fourm here and is really quick to respond. He went above and beyond to help me find the Tribeca I wanted. Even though I did not buy one from him, I would have in a heartbeat. His user name here is eastsidesubaru.

[jcl4]

Zachary Bridge @ Eastside Subaru is on the fourm here and is really quick to respond. He went above and beyond to help me find the Tribeca I wanted. Even though I did not buy one from him, I would have in a heartbeat. His user name here is eastsidesubaru.

Well I hope he can help me answer some of the questions I posted or at least help me out in some of the process.
Currently reading from 220-last page of thread. Haven't found much about the dealer in WA. -_-

[Losmir]

I just brought up a 2008 Nissan Pathfinder LE from the Seattle area. No problems with the import process. Just waiting for the recall clearance letter and then only quick mods (DRL) and the inspection left to do.

Thanks to all for the great information in this thread. Much appreciated.

Cheers,
Losmir

[hammer]

For those interested in importing a New Toyota from a dealer in the States:

If you have a relative/friend in the states, you can arrange the purchase under their name, and, more importantly, also avoid extra registration fees and US sales tax.

I just did this by picking a dealership from a different state as my relative. In this case, the dealer will just give you a temporary permit, and a copy of the MCO (Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin). This can be faxed to the US border, and will allow you to export the car without actually registering in the states or paying state sales tax. If you buy in the same state as your relative, then the dealer is pretty much obligated to register and plate the car. The out-of-state thing is crucial if you want to avoid the extra delay and cost of having to register and tranfer the car.

All the paperwork was done by courier between the dealer and my relative. I brought the payment, and picked up the vehicle. There was no need to actually physically, or financially, involve my relative in the transaction.

The trick is that you have to indicate to US customs that your relative is the purchaser/exporter and that you are the transporter. Their name will have to go on the MCO, and you cannot transfer the MCO, in the States, between individuals. It can only be transfered from a dealer to an individual, or between dealers.

Luckily, the Canadian system doesn't have the same restrictions. I drew up a simple bill of sale between my relative and myself, effective the date of pickup. I used this, along with the stamped MCO, and was able to start the RIV process under my own name, once I got the vehicle to Canada.

Essentially, I exported the vehicle from the US under my relative's name, and imported it into Canada under my name. I had no problems with insurance, or registration in Canada, pretty much disclosed everything to everyone. (Except US customs, and that was because they didn't ask!).

I saved a ton of money, and the dealer was more than happy to sell the car. Toyota has no restrictions about re-sale, so his ass was firmly covered. He even helped me with faxing things ahead of time to US customs, and getting me a service printout to prove recall clearance.

This sounds like a promising lead for those with relatives. Just a few questions...
1. What forms are couriered to/from dealer to relative?
2. If your relative is a brother, can he give it to you as a gift?...and hence avoid pst?
3. Can I ask which Toyota dealer or area of dealer?

[jcl4]

I am a bit confused about one thing.

I know that buying a new car need us to pay Gst/Pst ( live in BC)
And if the car is not made in NA also need the 6.1% duty.

What about buying a used car in a private sales?

Lets say a 2006 car that is not made in NA.
Which tax would I have to pay? both? or just the gst?
Does the 6.1% duty still apply on used cars that are not made in NA?

[Rehan]

Lets say a 2006 car that is not made in NA.
Which tax would I have to pay? both? or just the gst?
Does the 6.1% duty still apply on used cars that are not made in NA? It doesn't matter whether the car is new or used. You would have to pay both taxes and the duty.

[flaming homer]

For those interested in importing a New Toyota from a dealer in the States:

If you have a relative/friend in the states, you can arrange the purchase under their name, and, more importantly, also avoid extra registration fees and US sales tax.

I just did this by picking a dealership from a different state as my relative. In this case, the dealer will just give you a temporary permit, and a copy of the MCO (Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin). This can be faxed to the US border, and will allow you to export the car without actually registering in the states or paying state sales tax. If you buy in the same state as your relative, then the dealer is pretty much obligated to register and plate the car. The out-of-state thing is crucial if you want to avoid the extra delay and cost of having to register and tranfer the car.

All the paperwork was done by courier between the dealer and my relative. I brought the payment, and picked up the vehicle. There was no need to actually physically, or financially, involve my relative in the transaction.

The trick is that you have to indicate to US customs that your relative is the purchaser/exporter and that you are the transporter. Their name will have to go on the MCO, and you cannot transfer the MCO, in the States, between individuals. It can only be transfered from a dealer to an individual, or between dealers.

Luckily, the Canadian system doesn't have the same restrictions. I drew up a simple bill of sale between my relative and myself, effective the date of pickup. I used this, along with the stamped MCO, and was able to start the RIV process under my own name, once I got the vehicle to Canada.

Essentially, I exported the vehicle from the US under my relative's name, and imported it into Canada under my name. I had no problems with insurance, or registration in Canada, pretty much disclosed everything to everyone. (Except US customs, and that was because they didn't ask!).

I saved a ton of money, and the dealer was more than happy to sell the car. Toyota has no restrictions about re-sale, so his ass was firmly covered. He even helped me with faxing things ahead of time to US customs, and getting me a service printout to prove recall clearance.

Background: I'm trying to get my father a Lexus RX350. As a snowbird, he holds a Florida license and address. I'm trying to avoid the applicable FL state tax.

After reading this, I called a WNY Lexus dealer. I learned that (with respect to WNY dealer):

- He must produce US insurance
- He must pay applicable FL sales tax - dealer will forward payment to FL
- Lexus dealer MUST register the car in the above manner, cannot sell with without being 'involved' in the registration process

Which state did you do this in ?

[diigii]

I just brought up a 2008 Nissan Pathfinder LE from the Seattle area. No problems with the import process. Just waiting for the recall clearance letter and then only quick mods (DRL) and the inspection left to do.

Thanks to all for the great information in this thread. Much appreciated.

Cheers,
Losmir

Congratulations to another RFD saver! Another Nissan buyer like me! :cheesygri

[hqguy]

The DMV of the State doesn't know anything about Canada. They can't make bold claims like that. You have to contact your own provincial authorities to see if they accept US temp permits.

That's not entirely true. Temp permits issued via the dealer are approved for use within the US - not for export. The same goes for heading over to a DMV kiosk on your own. What happens when you drive over the border and use within Canada? I'm not entirely sure but if the DMV is saying they can't legally issue one, I'll bet that's considered easy grounds for insurance claim denial regardless of whether the OPP, MTO or otherwise are ok with it.

Please note my comments only apply to my conversations with various agencies, dealers, insurance companies both in NY state and Ontario. It's possible that it differs in other jurisdictions and it is possible someone in my long list of people I spoke with is incorrect for whatever reason. Please note though: a friend in Minneapolis who owns a used auto dealership told me that he is not able to issue a temp permit if the intended use is for export out of the US.

What I do know 100% for certain: get your insurance and temp permit issued from Canada and you won't have anything to be concerned about.

The bottom line: don't assume anything; the risk is too high should you have a serious accident and not properly be insured; especially in sue happy USA where lawsuits of millions are launched over drycleaning blunders!

[gg_gg]

Seems like you're the first one for a SLK, so you have to do the work.
Read the How to Import (http://www.riv.ca/english/html/how_to_import.html) page on the www.riv.ca site.
Check the list of Passenger Vehicle modification's (http://www.riv.ca/english/html/mod_inspect_requirements.html) on this RIV page: LINK (http://www.riv.ca/english/html/mod_inspect_requirements.html).
Basically take the list of Modifications to a Mercedes dealer and ask for which items are not on the US models. Get a quote as to how much it will cost to add the remaining items and then it's up to you as to proceed with the purchase.

Good luck and post your results.

Thanks shopper-x for the quick response! What about the Audi TT? anyone know?

[eastsidesubaru]

Hi there, I am new to this forum, I signed up after seeing this section as I am currently looking to purchase a new car.
It seems like we can save up to 20% buying from us.
Some of you guys reviews/process seemed pretty simple, so maybe I should give it a try. But I would like to ask a few questions, any comments, or suggestion are appreciated.

I am located in Vancouver, BC. So if I want to buy a new 2007 subaru wrx wagon where should I try going? Also anything difference importing into bc?(seems like the majority of you guys are from the Ont. Region)

Does anyone know what price is consider a good deal in US for this car?

I am not quite sure about the insurance of driving the car back from us to Canada, could someone please give me a couple very simple direction to acquire the insurance. ( if not, what happens if I get into an accident?)

What are the Extra $ that I would need to pay aside the US dealer price?
(riv,duty,tax)

What are something I need to take caution on?

Minimum how many days would I need to stay in the US?

THX in advance to any Help. :)

hey jcl4. the subaru wrx wagons are totally sold out at this point... how do you feel about the 08 hatch? or i do also have a preowned 04 wrx wagon with 28,322 miles if you're set on a wagon, but it's an auto transmission... :(
importing into BC is pretty easy..
i'm not sure about the insurance binder, what my understanding was, is that for insurance you just need to talk to your agent, i think you have 14-30 days though before you have to get the new car insured (the companies give you some flexibility so you can go buy a new car without having to get them immediately involved). maybe you do need a binder though... ymmv. check with your insurance agent.
You pay the US dealer price, then you also pay $207 to RIV for the vehicle import fee (afaik), 6% GST and 6% duty on an impreza. (outback, legacy and tribeca have no duty, but impreza and forester do). in WA we also sell you a 3 day trip permit, it is $30-35 (I don't remember) per permit and you can get up to three if you plan on staying on staying in the US for a while.
you don't need to stay in the US at all, but you do need to make sure your documents get faxed to the border 72 hours IN ADVANCE of you trying to cross.
Well I hope he can help me answer some of the questions I posted or at least help me out in some of the process.
Currently reading from 220-last page of thread. Haven't found much about the dealer in WA. -_-

I hope I answered them all.. let me know if you've got others.


the reason that subaru USA sales are down is because of the subprime mortgage crisis here in the states..... =) all car sales are down. actually my dealership is doing better than last year though.. #31 in volume for the US last month.

Zachary Bridge @ Eastside Subaru is on the fourm here and is really quick to respond. He went above and beyond to help me find the Tribeca I wanted. Even though I did not buy one from him, I would have in a heartbeat. His user name here is eastsidesubaru.

Thanks shopper-x. =) I appreciate it.

One thing I will say is.. it is kind of frustrating when I spend a lot of time on here and some RFD'rs have called up my dealership and bought from some other salespeople who have not bothered to learn anything about selling cars to Canada and have spent no time doing the research.. (and may give you retail pricing, not internet pricing..) Cause I do this on my own time. So I ask if you call my dealership *PLEASE* ask for me so I can be the one to get the sale.. Thanks guys...


ps uncle_odb.. I just learned your retractable cargo cover got in... I am getting everything ready to ship it out and hopefully it will get shipped *Tomorrow*.. YAY! =)

[ygtgxi]

does importing cars from US work the same if it is a used car? will i still savE?

[eastsidesubaru]

does importing cars from US work the same if it is a used car? will i still savE?

yes, it does and yes you absolutely will.

[kehoz]

Background: I'm trying to get my father a Lexus RX350. As a snowbird, he holds a Florida license and address. I'm trying to avoid the applicable FL state tax.

After reading this, I called a WNY Lexus dealer. I learned that (with respect to WNY dealer):

- He must produce US insurance
- He must pay applicable FL sales tax - dealer will forward payment to FL
- Lexus dealer MUST register the car in the above manner, cannot sell with without being 'involved' in the registration process

Which state did you do this in ?

I think you have to find a state that doesn't have a reciprocal sales tax arrangement with Florida (which New York does), so I think it has more to do with the state of residency than the state of purchase.

[kehoz]

This sounds like a promising lead for those with relatives. Just a few questions...
1. What forms are couriered to/from dealer to relative?
2. If your relative is a brother, can he give it to you as a gift?...and hence avoid pst?
3. Can I ask which Toyota dealer or area of dealer?

1. Basically anything that needed to be signed was couriered, I think that was just the Toyota purchase agreement.

2. Not sure on that one, I live in Alberta and don't pay PST.

3. It was in the western border states, and, sorry, I don't want to say more than that and risk getting the dealership in trouble.

[DrXenon]

the reason that subaru USA sales are down is because of the subprime mortgage crisis here in the states..... =) all car sales are down. actually my dealership is doing better than last year though.. #31 in volume for the US last month.

The August results were not down across all manufacturers; they are kind of mixed, actually:

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/09/05/by-the-numbers-august-2007/

I suspect the best deals in cars are yet to be had - one Canadian bank is predicting parity in the Can-US exchange rate by Christmas. Add to the mix lower new car sales in the US due to eroding consumer confidence, and I expect the incentives will start up in earnest. It's a great time to be a Canadian car shopper in the US.

I heard from a contact in the used car business that there's a Chicago outfit that's looking to import 2500 used American cars into the Toronto market.

[ecgz88]

:cheesygri I agree with that, they should call you.

One thing I really don't understand why Subaru put so many dealer in WA? :confused: sales number for Subaru is nearly the same as Infiniti, 150K-200K/per year? but Infiniti just have 2 dealer in WA :)



One thing I will say is.. it is kind of frustrating when I spend a lot of time on here and some RFD'rs have called up my dealership and bought from some other salespeople who have not bothered to learn anything about selling cars to Canada and have spent no time doing the research.. (and may give you retail pricing, not internet pricing..) Cause I do this on my own time. So I ask if you call my dealership *PLEASE* ask for me so I can be the one to get the sale.. Thanks guys...

[eastsidesubaru]

The August results were not down across all manufacturers; they are kind of mixed, actually:

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/09/05/by-the-numbers-august-2007/

I suspect the best deals in cars are yet to be had - one Canadian bank is predicting parity in the Can-US exchange rate by Christmas. Add to the mix lower new car sales in the US due to eroding consumer confidence, and I expect the incentives will start up in earnest. It's a great time to be a Canadian car shopper in the US.

I heard from a contact in the used car business that there's a Chicago outfit that's looking to import 2500 used American cars into the Toronto market.

Hmm. Well I learn something new every day. I thought it was across the board.. Oh well. I am actually just repeating what Subaru corporate told us..
Subaru corporate blames the sub-prime mortgage market and says NADA is predicting huge drops across the board for all franchises.
They also said that part of the reason we are down 7% versus last year is due to lower incentives this year... last year there was a ton of extra inventory so SoA had to do heavy incentives... This year they don't have back up on inventory bad at all so they are not doing heavy incentives.
So while they sold 1200 fewer cars aug 07 vs aug 06, the ones they did sell were a lot more profitable for SoA.


:cheesygri I agree with that, they should call you.

One thing I really don't understand why Subaru put so many dealer in WA? :confused: sales number for Subaru is nearly the same as Infiniti, 150K-200K/per year? but Infiniti just have 2 dealer in WA :)

Infiniti sells far fewer cars in WA than Subaru does.. it's not so much that Subaru put a lot of dealers in washington, as that the market can support it up here due to AWD being a pretty big deal. Most of the dealerships up here still push 50-100 cars a month... in some other states each dealership might get only 13-18 cars out.. If you want to sell Subarus in WA you just have to apply with Subaru, it is a franchise. And if you are experienced and have a good track record with car dealerships then they will approve you.

[Monsieurmaggot]

That's not entirely true. Temp permits issued via the dealer are approved for use within the US - not for export. The same goes for heading over to a DMV kiosk on your own. What happens when you drive over the border and use within Canada? I'm not entirely sure but if the DMV is saying they can't legally issue one, I'll bet that's considered easy grounds for insurance claim denial regardless of whether the OPP, MTO or otherwise are ok with it.

Please note my comments only apply to my conversations with various agencies, dealers, insurance companies both in NY state and Ontario. It's possible that it differs in other jurisdictions and it is possible someone in my long list of people I spoke with is incorrect for whatever reason. Please note though: a friend in Minneapolis who owns a used auto dealership told me that he is not able to issue a temp permit if the intended use is for export out of the US.

What I do know 100% for certain: get your insurance and temp permit issued from Canada and you won't have anything to be concerned about.

The bottom line: don't assume anything; the risk is too high should you have a serious accident and not properly be insured; especially in sue happy USA where lawsuits of millions are launched over drycleaning blunders!

That's exactly why my State Farm Agent wanted TWO transit permits. I had a NY State permit to drive the 10 miles to the border ($77) and $15 to drive the other 170kms home from the border. The underwriter wanted to ensure (pun there) that there was NO problems should I have an accident.

I really don't understand why people are balking at the transit permits.

Get one for each country and be done with it. The only real debate is if they're required for each state you pass through. Ask your insurance company. They're the ones who you should care about in the event of an accident. The people at most DMV offices don't have a clue about local regulations let alone crossing state lines.

[ygtgxi]

wats a US version of auto trader?

[aznxtambOy]

wats a US version of auto trader?

Autotrader.com

[Rehan]

wats a US version of auto trader? AutoTrader.com seems to be dominated by dealers (even more so than Trader.ca), and it's not very easy to filter and find the private sellers. Take a look at www.cars.com , which also has a lot of listings and a better user interface than autotrader.com.

[ygtgxi]

yup thats wat i meant, ty mod, autotrader.com seems weird cuz u have to enter zip code!
i will look at cars.com

[eastsidesubaru]

AutoTrader.com seems to be dominated by dealers (even more so than Trader.ca), and it's not very easy to filter and find the private sellers. Take a look at www.cars.com , which also has a lot of listings and a better user interface than autotrader.com.


Both are pretty expensive honestly which filters out a lot of private sellers.
I recommend checkings craigslist (and the ever-so-awesome http://www.crazedlist.org/ ) - due to the 0 fees you get a lot more private sellers, if that's what you're into. :cheesygri


I do have a RFD special going on this month by the way.. :) Valid only through me, Zach, @ Eastside Subaru... 2008 Outback (The base not the 2.5i), Auto transmission, MSRP: $23,640, Invoice $22,277, RFD price: $20,799 after instant rebate this month only (+fees) You do also get a 5yr 100,000 mile powertrain warranty good in Canada. Alternatively the 2008 Outback 2.5i MSRP $25,240, invoice 23,745, RFD price $22,245 after instant rebate (+fees).

[flaming homer]

I think you have to find a state that doesn't have a reciprocal sales tax arrangement with Florida (which New York does), so I think it has more to do with the state of residency than the state of purchase.
Considering NY is most convinient to me as I live in the GTA, I can't think of another state that I want to deal with that does not have this reciprocal sales tax. I have now engaged a dealer in a "no state tax" state and am optimistic...

[inspire]

For those who can find a dealership close enough to the border (ie Niagara Falls, NY / Detroit, MI), have the dealer drive with dealer plates to the border crossing (or close enough) and then you take your newly purchased car across the border (get Ontario temp plates ahead of time or ... be like me ... drive without plates to your house! :D Be sure to use side roads with the latter method ... but I live < 10 minutes from the border) That way, you will save the headaches of multiple temp plates.

Just a suggestion. Hope that helps.

[thegradas]

What do you think about this?


2007 Toyota Camry $20,034.94 price includes tax,tag&fees! - $19367

Hello, our names are Robert Byman and Brock Frady. We are dealers for Rice Toyota, the first Toyota dealership in the Southeast United States. We are volume oriented, so this should explain the super price. Price includes 3% NC highway use tax ($569.64 & new tag fee ($98).

This MSRP for this 2007 Camry LE is $21,864!!! Brand new, never titled, with 6 miles on the odometer. Many colors to choose from.

****FREE PICK-UP LESS THAN 300 MILES****

So, the sell price of $19,367 +$569.94 +$98 = $20,034.94 TOTAL for North Carolina residents only. Total price for out of state could slightly vary due to tag and tax differences.

Will accept all trades! (even if it's not paid for)

[diigii]

Both are pretty expensive honestly which filters out a lot of private sellers.
I recommend checkings craigslist (and the ever-so-awesome http://www.crazedlist.org/ ) - due to the 0 fees you get a lot more private sellers, if that's what you're into. :cheesygri


I do have a RFD special going on this month by the way.. :) Valid only through me, Zach, @ Eastside Subaru... 2008 Outback (The base not the 2.5i), Auto transmission, MSRP: $23,640, Invoice $22,277, RFD price: $20,799 after instant rebate this month only (+fees) You do also get a 5yr 100,000 mile powertrain warranty good in Canada. Alternatively the 2008 Outback 2.5i MSRP $25,240, invoice 23,745, RFD price $22,245 after instant rebate (+fees).

WOW!! EXCLUSIVE RFD PRICE! WE'RE SO SPECIAL!:cheesygri

[5136440]

I really don't understand why people are balking at the transit permits.


You are absolutely right. Just for a peace of mind, a $15 Ontario Temp Permit is a no brainer even MTO office assured me that a NY state permit is okay to drive in On. However, the requirement to get a trip permit on their webpage http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/temp.htm
is a bit confusing. So Monsieur, would you please share your sucess on what did you bring to have the trip permit issued by MTO? Thanks.

[KillaB]

This may be a stupid question, but I searched and couldn't find the answer.

On the faxed copy of the MSO that gets sent to the boarder.....does the back need to be filled out?

[uncle_odb]

Both are pretty expensive honestly which filters out a lot of private sellers.
I recommend checkings craigslist (and the ever-so-awesome http://www.crazedlist.org/ ) - due to the 0 fees you get a lot more private sellers, if that's what you're into. :cheesygri


I do have a RFD special going on this month by the way.. :) Valid only through me, Zach, @ Eastside Subaru... 2008 Outback (The base not the 2.5i), Auto transmission, MSRP: $23,640, Invoice $22,277, RFD price: $20,799 after instant rebate this month only (+fees) You do also get a 5yr 100,000 mile powertrain warranty good in Canada. Alternatively the 2008 Outback 2.5i MSRP $25,240, invoice 23,745, RFD price $22,245 after instant rebate (+fees).

Holy Crap! Those are great prices! If I wasn't poor now after my Tribeca purchase...I'd be tempted again! Didn't realize RFD'ers were calling up the dealership and not asking for you. You gotta ask for Zach to get internet pricing.

[LoveRFD]

Holy Crap! Those are great prices! If I wasn't poor now after my Tribeca purchase...I'd be tempted again! Didn't realize RFD'ers were calling up the dealership and not asking for you. You gotta ask for Zach to get internet pricing.

Agree, the price is really attractive! The msrp on subaru.ca is $32,195.00 for the 2.5i with auto trans, that's almost 10k difference.

[diigii]

This may be a stupid question, but I searched and couldn't find the answer.

On the faxed copy of the MSO that gets sent to the boarder.....does the back need to be filled out?

No. From my experience, I didn't see the US Customs people pay attention to it. He looked at the sales invoice though. I asked if he needed my ID, she said no.
But my title was filled out, attesting the mileage reading in the odometer. It was authorized by the dealer's accountant and even notarized by the dealership's lawyer.

[hqguy]

Considering NY is most convinient to me as I live in the GTA, I can't think of another state that I want to deal with that does not have this reciprocal sales tax. I have now engaged a dealer in a "no state tax" state and am optimistic...

As a non-resident of NY state, we're exempted from their sales tax. My dealer explained this up front and I didn't have to pay. This also included a handful of other minor taxes like state inspection.

[flaming homer]

As a non-resident of NY state, we're exempted from their sales tax. My dealer explained this up front and I didn't have to pay. This also included a handful of other minor taxes like state inspection.Yeah, that's true if you're buying a Canadian-friendly manufacturer such as Subaru. Try Lexus/Toyota and see how far you get...

[hqguy]

I really don't understand why people are balking at the transit permits.


You are absolutely right. Just for a peace of mind, a $15 Ontario Temp Permit is a no brainer even MTO office assured me that a NY state permit is okay to drive in On. However, the requirement to get a trip permit on their webpage http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/temp.htm
is a bit confusing. So Monsieur, would you please share your sucess on what did you bring to have the trip permit issued by MTO? Thanks.

You only need two things: the original title (or CO) and proof of insurance coverage within the US. I was in and out of the MTO office in about 10 min with my temp permit which I'm taking down Monday.

Note that faxed/copied titles are not accepted which unfortunately means taking two trips to the US: one to buy and sign over the title, the other to actually go down and bring it back. If the dealer will handle payment/title transactions via courier that would save a trip but my dealer wasn't willing to do this.

If the MTO would accept a faxed/copied title, this would make everything substantially easier!

[crasher]

What a wonderful vehicle it is.
Dealer gave me with full tank from NC which lasted till buffalo. Filled up once there before entering Canada. After 2 weeks of driving here, still some left and already 1300 miles on it. :-0

[Monsieurmaggot]

ISo Monsieur, would you please share your sucess on what did you bring to have the trip permit issued by MTO? Thanks.

There was nothing odd.

I walked in to the MTO office at Sheppard/McCowan in Scarborough, ON told the person behind the counter that I was buying a new car and needed a temporary permit to get it home.

I handed her a sheet with the Brand, model, trim and VIN number.

She took my $15 and printed me up a temporary permit. It took a few minutes, no questions asked.

Getting my car registered a few days later was a joke. The person really didn't want to process my request and found 100 reasons not to. Eventually she had no choice when (I assume was her supervisor) asking why I was still there and what was taking so long.

This is what happened as I posted it in message #1481:.

This was the only snag I ran into and I suspect it had more to do with a lazy clerk....

At the MTO office in Scarborough, the person I spoke to really had no ambition to register my US car. There were so many excuses! First she wanted to know what province Buffalo, New York was in! She wanted to see the previous owners' Ontario ownership paperwork. When I explained that the car was imported new from a US dealer, the person handed me back the paperwork (without really looking at it) and told me that I need to first get the car legally exported from the US. I also was required to bring in proof of GST payment AND two approval forms from Transport Canada before she could proceed. I explained that it was all there. I was then told that the car needed to be "safetied" by the US dealer before I could export it and it should go back to Buffalo to get that done! I told her that was incorrect and that it was a new car and no safety was required. I referred her to the MTO site. She then corrected herself and said she meant to say I needed to get a Drive Clean emission certificate. Again I explained that the car is new and is exempt of this. (At this point I clearly understood this person really didn't want to process my paperwork). She went and grabbed her supervisor who told her that no further testing was required and that all my paperwork was in order. The clerk then commented that it would take a bit of time to process this paperwork and hoped I wasn't in a hurry. Believe it or not, she then insinuated that I would need to pay PST which could be in the "thousands" and that they would not accept personal cheques. I explained that I would be paying by credit card. She then commented that there was an error in the system as the car was listed as a 2007 Legacy Outback LLBean on my paperwork but came up as a 2007 3.0R Outback in their system. She called the MTO head office again to confirm why there was a difference. After over an hour in the office, her supervisor came by to see why I was still there. The supervisor took over and had me out of there in a few minutes with new plates.

At the provincial licensing office, they took the original proof of GST payment receipt issued by Canada Customs and also took the original Certificate of Origin. In turn I was handed the green Ontario ownership papers.

From her supervisors' reaction, this person wasn't the sharpest knife in the cupboard. The supervisor had obvious experience with the registering process.

[TorontoEh]

What a wonderful vehicle it is.
Dealer gave me with full tank from NC which lasted till buffalo. Filled up once there before entering Canada. After 2 weeks of driving here, still some left and already 1300 miles on it. :-0

Wow...i guess savings do add up with a hybrid.......

My cousin just bought an 08 Camry hybrid from DVP Toyota.....for like around $36G's...... after talking to him about this thread and how im importing a subie, he was little upset (but said he's lazy to go down states) lol :lol:

[Joko77]

SO that its not all only about Subaru, today (07.09`07) I have succesfully imported 2008 Acura TL Navi (black/black).
Brought it from John Holtz Acura, Rochester, NY. I have roughly saved $14,000.

The Internet Manager, Brian Buchman, was great. Helped with everything and also did get all the papers done and promptly sent it to the border.
Also, he told me that if I will need to have some repairs done that if I can than I can bring the car to them for warranty repair. He said other Honda or Acura dealers don`t do it after you export the car, but they will.

Ha ha, I just wanted to drive it sooo much I went with the car to the border like 4 hours before the 72 hour requirement was met. That US custom officer left me sitting at the Customs office for 31/2, but then when I begged her, she did it like 30 minutes sooner and I came to Canada Customs at 15.45, fuh (close).

[uncle_odb]

SO that its not all only about Subaru, today (07.09`07) I have succesfully imported 2008 Acura TL Navi (black/black).
Brought it from John Holtz Acura, Rochester, NY. I have roughly saved $14,000.

The Internet Manager, Brian Buchman, was great. Helped with everything and also did get all the papers done and promptly sent it to the border.
Also, he told me that if I will need to have some repairs done that if I can than I can bring the car to them for warranty repair. He said other Honda or Acura dealers don`t do it after you export the car, but they will.

Ha ha, I just wanted to drive it sooo much I went with the car to the border like 4 hours before the 72 hour requirement was met. That US custom officer left me sitting at the Customs office for 31/2, but then when I begged her, she did it like 30 minutes sooner and I came to Canada Customs at 15.45, fuh (close).

Nice! Very Nice! Enjoy your sweet ride! I wish the Navi in my Subie was as good as yours!

[spyhero]

SO that its not all only about Subaru, today (07.09`07) I have succesfully imported 2008 Acura TL Navi (black/black).
Brought it from John Holtz Acura, Rochester, NY. I have roughly saved $14,000.

The Internet Manager, Brian Buchman, was great. Helped with everything and also did get all the papers done and promptly sent it to the border.
Also, he told me that if I will need to have some repairs done that if I can than I can bring the car to them for warranty repair. He said other Honda or Acura dealers don`t do it after you export the car, but they will.

Ha ha, I just wanted to drive it sooo much I went with the car to the border like 4 hours before the 72 hour requirement was met. That US custom officer left me sitting at the Customs office for 31/2, but then when I begged her, she did it like 30 minutes sooner and I came to Canada Customs at 15.45, fuh (close).

I thought that Honda/Acura warranty is voided once a vehicle is registered outside of US. Did they register your vehicle with Honda USA using an US address? I'm looking to import an 07 Honda Accord. Maybe I'll give John Holtz Honda a try.

[frugal905]

Anyway Aug 27, we went to the dealer with the bank draft. It was endorsed the same day. I was confident before I left TO that the draft clearing won't be a hassle since I was assured by my friend who worked at TD Bank that it won't be a problem as long as the dealer's bank asked for a draft fax verification tha the funds are good and clear. Little did I know that Wells Fargo would be a factor in the draft's clearing period. In short, I wasn't able to pick up my car on Aug 27 or 28 as I have expected but on Aug 31!!! I had to wait for 5 days for the bank draft to clear! The dealership was gracious though in giving me a loaner so I can returned my rental car and won't incur more expenses. I was loaned a 2006 Altima 2.5S that I drove around DC from Aug 28-30.

The following is my vehicle export process experience at Lewiston-Queenston Bridge Crossing.

9:05am : Arrived at the US Customs Vehicle Export office. Customs guy who felt like not working that morning took my certificate of title and asked which date it was faxed. Not sure what date the dealership faxed it so I said either Aug 27, 28 or 29. He gave all 3 date files and looked for myself. I found it on the Aug 28 file. Five minutes later, after my certificate of title was red-stamped and hole-punched with date, petite US Customs lady went out with me and physically matched VIN on dash and compliance label on door jam with the original title. We were sent off to Canada after she spent 20 seconds matching everything. Some guy was waiting outside for his brand new Porsche Carrera to be checked as well!!!!! Time between arriving inside office to actual verification was wasted on chit-chat between all three US Customs personnel. It was about some co-worker's attitude!!

9:35am : Stopped at Canada Customs crossing and declared to Customs lady that I am importing car I'm driving. She asked how much I paid and was actually interested in how I got the best deal. She even said they are cheaper down there. After asking about car's price, she asked if we had anymore to declare. I declared $200 worth of personal effects. Afterwards, I was sent off to Canada Customs office to pay RIV and GST.

9:45am : Filled out Form 1. US purchase price was converted to CAD value using 1.0564 exchange rate. Paid GST and Excise taxes. Waived RIV payment choice and chose to pay at RIV office myself.

11:22am : Arrived at RIV office at 405 The West Mall. Form 1, title and recall clearance letter were checked and returned. Paid $206.70 via debit card. Seated for about 5 mins; used their phone to call my dearly beloved! :cheesygri

11:30am : Form 2 was given and left RIV office. Headed home to rest since I drove all night from Maryland.

So there ya go for you folks still doubting if you can do it!!!!

So when is our get-together?! Summer weather is disappearing fast! :cheesygri


hi;
great post!

I am about to buy a Toyota Prius in the US and bring it over. I have a friend in PA that I can use his address.

I am curious on the dealer process. can you help with these issues folks?

You paid a deposit and then waited for the wired payment.
What did the dealer give you when you left?

Temp plates; bill of sale; title doc; anything else?
Did you pay state taxes or not have to? how do I prevent paying State taxesif I am importing to Canada right away?
Was the title in your name or relatives? and CDN or US address?
Did your CDN insurance cover you? Did you get a letter to prove it? ( I called US insurance companies and they need me to get a US drivers licence to insure me)
Was temp plates an issue? ( I am wondering if I can get the dealer to drive the car to the Cdn border with dealer plates, then I slap on an Ontario temp plate I bring down with me)

Any other tips?

So after getting all these docs. you were ready to go to border.
If title is in my name or my friend's name ( US friend) does it matter?

Buffalo dealer I am talking with says they need to sell to US address person and pay state tax and then can sell to me.

Any way around NOT paying state tax and getting temp permit to drive the car to Canada and not have issues at the double border?

Thanks in advance.

I am told from dealer they nee

[sheriffabc]

Need to find a friendly and co-operative dealer who handles Toyota or Lexus?

Anyone care to list or pm me name of one with details. TIA

Got the lowest price Subaru dealer in MD if anyone is interested - pm me

[Joko77]

Nice! Very Nice! Enjoy your sweet ride! I wish the Navi in my Subie was as good as yours!

True, that navi is very good, at least from what I saw on my way back home. I was in the U.S. for the first time so driving in there wasn`t easy for me, although only from Rochester. The only thing it can`t do is steer your wheel, otherwise it shows you everything so that even a complete idiot can understand it :)


I thought that Honda/Acura warranty is voided once a vehicle is registered outside of US. Did they register your vehicle with Honda USA using an US address? I'm looking to import an 07 Honda Accord. Maybe I'll give John Holtz Honda a try.

They did not register it with the US address as I don`t have one. However I am on their file and we wrote down a note in it that in case of a serious damage or some kind of a malfunction (esp. navi) I can return back for warranty repairs. Again, they told me Acura (Honda) dealers usually don`t do warranty after car is exported, however as a courtesy, their dealership does it anyways.
Give them a try and you`ll see.

[DrXenon]

They did not register it with the US address as I don`t have one. However I am on their file and we wrote down a note in it that in case of a serious damage or some kind of a malfunction (esp. navi) I can return back for warranty repairs. Again, they told me Acura (Honda) dealers usually don`t do warranty after car is exported, however as a courtesy, their dealership does it anyways.


Dude, I hope you have a copy of this agreement, on letterhead. Arrangements like this with dealers have a habit of evaporating once the sale is finalized. Do you really think the service department (typically a completely separate management unit from sales) is going to submit a fraudulent reimbursement claim on your behalf when you actually show up with your warranty issue?

[Joko77]

Dude, I hope you have a copy of this agreement, on letterhead. Arrangements like this with dealers have a habit of evaporating once the sale is finalized. Do you really think the service department (typically a completely separate management unit from sales) is going to submit a fraudulent reimbursement claim on your behalf when you actually show up with your warranty issue?

Yes I do have this agreement on their letterhead with their stamp and signature of Manager. I know that when they want to sell something they promise everything to you, then after the deal is done, noone remembers, so thats why I did it.

[DrXenon]

Hee. I should have known that someone smart enough to be able to afford a TL would get everything in writing. It could be that the dealer is knowingly assuming the potential liability without any intention of defrauding Honda, but I kinda doubt it. Your hands are clean, though.

[Louist]

Any speculation when either VW gti 2008, or Audi A3 make the RIV entry list? I am open to buy either, but only the 2007s show up.

Hoping for September maybe? The Subaru's are there now. Many vw/Audi close to the border are balking at selling to Canadians...might have to go deep in. If you are A dealer in NY give me a tell. I am in Ontario.

Lou

[tico 1948]

Hey folks, What do you think about this price that I just rec'd via e-mail from a U.S. Subaru Dealer? 2008 Tribeca 5 Pass. Limited (MSRP $33,270) for $29,999 all fees included. Even figuring in a liberal 6% exchange rate, the price seems awfully good.:D What's your opinions?

[billyh55]

I noticed too that some 2008s arent on the RIV listg either yet yo can but them in canada or US
is it something to worry about
I am still looking at cars but buying some type of crossover and car soon i hope

[michelb]

Dude, I hope you have a copy of this agreement, on letterhead. Arrangements like this with dealers have a habit of evaporating once the sale is finalized. Do you really think the service department (typically a completely separate management unit from sales) is going to submit a fraudulent reimbursement claim on your behalf when you actually show up with your warranty issue?

Yes I do have this agreement on their letterhead with their stamp and signature of Manager. I know that when they want to sell something they promise everything to you, then after the deal is done, noone remembers, so thats why I did it.

Keep us informed if / when you do get warranty work done. I have to admit that I'm amazed the dealership would agree to that - from my understanding, the warranty with Acura became void the minute you exported the car to Canada and I was always under the impression that dealerships made very little off the actual car sale so for them to agree to potentially pay thousands of dollars out of pocket for future warranty work shocks me.

That being said, you did save a bunch so even if you lose the warranty and had to pay repairs yourself, you're probably still ahead.

[yyz2hkg]

Hey folks, What do you think about this price that I just rec'd via e-mail from a U.S. Subaru Dealer? 2008 Tribeca 5 Pass. Limited (MSRP $33,270) for $29,999 all fees included. Even figuring in a liberal 6% exchange rate, the price seems awfully good.:D What's your opinions?

GO FOR IT!

[scouzi]

Hey folks, What do you think about this price that I just rec'd via e-mail from a U.S. Subaru Dealer? 2008 Tribeca 5 Pass. Limited (MSRP $33,270) for $29,999 all fees included. Even figuring in a liberal 6% exchange rate, the price seems awfully good.:D What's your opinions?

Seems like a good price - around $1200 below invoice. However, I would get the 7 seat for about $1k more.

I paid $28.5k US for a 2007 7 seat Limited (No Nav, No DVD).

Here's a few invoice pricing for you.

http://www.bennington.sne1.com/

[DrXenon]

One solution to the "no American address" problem with Toyota and like companies is to hire a mail forwarding service:

http://www.escapees.com/MailForwardingService.asp
http://www.mydakotaaddress.com/
http://www.americas-mailbox.com

I haven't actually used any of these services; it's just a suggestion.

[sheriffabc]

One solution to the "no American address" problem with Toyota and like companies is to hire a mail forwarding service:

http://www.escapees.com/MailForwardingService.asp
http://www.mydakotaaddress.com/
http://www.americas-mailbox.com

I haven't actually used any of these services; it's just a suggestion.

US address is not the only issue - they are charging State Sales Tax - that's what kills the deal.

[DrXenon]

US address is not the only issue - they are charging State Sales Tax - that's what kills the deal.

So make sure your mail forwarding service is in one of the low-tax states listed at http://www.kiplinger.com/php/cartax.html .

[KevinH]

State tax and the other fees and taxes that each state charges per vehicle....

[frugal905]

Folks;

Here is a summary sheet I made up from a couple useful postings on importing a new car from the US into Canada. Also there is a good summary below on how to import a Toyota.

Thought I would share with you.

SUMMARY:
Out of state purchase 
get MCO and Bill of sale and recall letter 
fax to Border crossing 

wait 3 days 
drive to US border  stamped 
go to CDN border import and pay fees GST/DUTY/RIV/Air RIV forms 
Cdn tire inspection and DRL 
MTO for licence and PST.
The last thing to do which is important:
Invest the $10,000 to $20,000 in your childs education with the money you saved !!!!:razz:
<SNIP>

Steps For Importing A Car Into Canada:

1. Check if the car that you are planning to purchase is admissible for importing into Canada. The list is available at: www.riv.ca/english/US_vehicle_admissibility.pdf. This list also will state if any major modification is required to import your car into Canada.

2. Get your new car insured by your Canadian insurance company. Make sure that your insurance covers you while you are in the United States. The insurance coverage should begin on the day that you are planning to pick up your car.

3. After purchasing your car at a U.S. Dealer, they will issue you a one-month temporary license plate. You can drive in the U.S. and Canada (while you are completing the import process) with the temporary license during this period.

4. Fax the car's Certificate of Title to the U.S. Customs at the border where you will be exiting the Country. U.S. Customs needs three business days to process the title before they can authorize exportation of your car (a stamp is needed for importing the car into Canada). Call the U.S. Customs office to ensure that they have received your fax.

5. Request a "proof of recall clearance document" from your car's manufacturer. This will be required to register your car in Canada.

6. Drive the car to Canada. Allow three business days from when you faxed the title to the U.S. Customs before you go through the border (otherwise you will have to come back to the border to get the export stamp later). Note that Canada Customs may not allow a Canadian resident to drive their car with a U.S. license plate in Canada, unless they are satisfied that the owner is in the process of licensing the car in Canada. Make sure you go through the U.S. Customs office that received your fax (refer to Step 4 above).

7. Get your Certificate of Title stamped for exportation by U.S. Customs.

8. Drive to the Canadian Customs office. They will need the Bill of Sale and the Certificate of Title stamped by U.S. Customs for exportation. You will pay 7% GST, CAD$100 excise tax if your car has an air conditioner, and CAD$182 fee for the Registrar of Imported Vehicles (cars manufactured in the U.S.A and Canada are normally exempt from additional import duties). You may use a credit card or the payment. You will receive the Vehicle Import Form - Form 1. You will need this form to register the car in your province. A second form, Form 2, will be mailed to your home address within 5 to 7 business days.

9. In Ontario you will have to carry out a safety inspection and a vehicle emission inspection. For our last car these inspections were CAD$63.24 and CAD$37.45 for our last car (the car passed all tests without needing any work).

10. About two weeks after your arrival in Canada, you will receive the "Vehicle Import Form - Form 2" by mail.

11. Take Form 1 and Form 2 and the "proof of recall clearance document" (letter from your car's manufacturer which you requested in step 5 above) to an approved federal inspection centre (e.g. Canadian Tire). The service centre will do an inspection of the car to ensure that it conforms to Canadian standards. If your vehicle did not require major alterations according to http://www.riv.ca/english/US_vehicle_admissibility.pdf, it should pass this inspection with no problem. This inspection should not cost you anything, except if any modification is required. Our last inspection cost CAD$8.04 for the purchase of a tether bolt, which is required to be in all cars sold in Canada. After the completion of the federal inspection, the inspector will stamp Form 1.

12. Take Form 1, original title, bill of sales, safety inspection certificate (Ontario), emission inspection certificate (Ontario), and insurance certificate to your vehicle licence issuing office (the documents may vary in other provinces). In Ontario you will have to pay 8% Provincial Sales Tax and some additional fees for your license plate purchase and sticker.

13. Within a few days, you will receive your car's Canadian Certification Label by mail, which you will have to affix to the car.

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For those interested in importing a New Toyota from a dealer in the States:

If you have a relative/friend in the states, you can arrange the purchase under their name, and, more importantly, also avoid extra registration fees and US sales tax.

I just did this by picking a dealership from a different state as my relative. In this case, the dealer will just give you a temporary permit, and a copy of the MCO (Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin). This can be faxed to the US border, and will allow you to export the car without actually registering in the states or paying state sales tax. If you buy in the same state as your relative, then the dealer is pretty much obligated to register and plate the car. The out-of-state thing is crucial if you want to avoid the extra delay and cost of having to register and transfer the car.

All the paperwork was done by courier between the dealer and my relative. I brought the payment, and picked up the vehicle. There was no need to actually physically, or financially, involve my relative in the transaction.

The trick is that you have to indicate to US customs that your relative is the purchaser/exporter and that you are the transporter. Their name will have to go on the MCO, and you cannot transfer the MCO, in the States, between individuals. It can only be transferred from a dealer to an individual, or between dealers.

Luckily, the Canadian system doesn't have the same restrictions. I drew up a simple bill of sale between my relative and myself, effective the date of pickup. I used this, along with the stamped MCO, and was able to start the RIV process under my own name, once I got the vehicle to Canada.

Essentially, I exported the vehicle from the US under my relative's name, and imported it into Canada under my name. I had no problems with insurance, or registration in Canada, pretty much disclosed everything to everyone. (Except US customs, and that was because they didn't ask!).

I saved a ton of money, and the dealer was more than happy to sell the car. Toyota has no restrictions about re-sale, so his ass was firmly covered. He even helped me with faxing things ahead of time to US customs, and getting me a service printout to prove recall clearance.

SUMMARY:
Out of state purchase 
get MCO and Bill of sale and recall letter 
fax to Border crossing 

wait 3 days 
drive to US border  stamped 
go to CDN border import and pay fees GST/DUTY/RIV/Air RIV forms 
Cdn tire inspection and DRL 
MTO for licence and PST.
The last thing to do which is important:
Invest the $10,000 to $20,000 in your childs education with the money you saved !!!!

[yyz2hkg]

Folks;

Here is a summary sheet I made up from a couple useful postings on importing a new car from the US into Canada. Also there is a good summary below on how to import a Toyota.

Thought I would share with you.



On your previous post, you mentioned bout purchasing a Prius, is that what you ended up with? Wierd...you posted questions on the same day and reported buying a Toyota the same day?

[tico 1948]

Seems like a good price - around $1200 below invoice. However, I would get the 7 seat for about $1k more.

I paid $28.5k US for a 2007 7 seat Limited (No Nav, No DVD).

Here's a few invoice pricing for you.

http://www.bennington.sne1.com/

Yes Man, looks like you did alright but, the 5 pass. limited is more suitable for our family situation, no young/small children. Instead, we have a 17 yr. old 6'5 Basketball player. Guess where He's gonna want to sit in that vehicle? Anywhere, as long as the ignition key comes with it.;)

[hammer]

Folks;

Here is a summary sheet I made up from a couple useful postings on importing a new car from the US into Canada. Also there is a good summary below on how to import a Toyota.

Thought I would share with you.

SUMMARY:
Out of state purchase 
get MCO and Bill of sale and recall letter 
fax to Border crossing 

wait 3 days 
drive to US border  stamped 
go to CDN border import and pay fees GST/DUTY/RIV/Air RIV forms 
Cdn tire inspection and DRL 
MTO for licence and PST.
The last thing to do which is important:
Invest the $10,000 to $20,000 in your childs education with the money you saved !!!!:razz:
<SNIP>

Steps For Importing A Car Into Canada:

1. Check if the car that you are planning to purchase is admissible for importing into Canada. The list is available at: www.riv.ca/english/US_vehicle_admissibility.pdf. This list also will state if any major modification is required to import your car into Canada.

2. Get your new car insured by your Canadian insurance company. Make sure that your insurance covers you while you are in the United States. The insurance coverage should begin on the day that you are planning to pick up your car.

3. After purchasing your car at a U.S. Dealer, they will issue you a one-month temporary license plate. You can drive in the U.S. and Canada (while you are completing the import process) with the temporary license during this period.

4. Fax the car's Certificate of Title to the U.S. Customs at the border where you will be exiting the Country. U.S. Customs needs three business days to process the title before they can authorize exportation of your car (a stamp is needed for importing the car into Canada). Call the U.S. Customs office to ensure that they have received your fax.

5. Request a "proof of recall clearance document" from your car's manufacturer. This will be required to register your car in Canada.

6. Drive the car to Canada. Allow three business days from when you faxed the title to the U.S. Customs before you go through the border (otherwise you will have to come back to the border to get the export stamp later). Note that Canada Customs may not allow a Canadian resident to drive their car with a U.S. license plate in Canada, unless they are satisfied that the owner is in the process of licensing the car in Canada. Make sure you go through the U.S. Customs office that received your fax (refer to Step 4 above).

7. Get your Certificate of Title stamped for exportation by U.S. Customs.

8. Drive to the Canadian Customs office. They will need the Bill of Sale and the Certificate of Title stamped by U.S. Customs for exportation. You will pay 7% GST, CAD$100 excise tax if your car has an air conditioner, and CAD$182 fee for the Registrar of Imported Vehicles (cars manufactured in the U.S.A and Canada are normally exempt from additional import duties). You may use a credit card or the payment. You will receive the Vehicle Import Form - Form 1. You will need this form to register the car in your province. A second form, Form 2, will be mailed to your home address within 5 to 7 business days.

9. In Ontario you will have to carry out a safety inspection and a vehicle emission inspection. For our last car these inspections were CAD$63.24 and CAD$37.45 for our last car (the car passed all tests without needing any work).

10. About two weeks after your arrival in Canada, you will receive the "Vehicle Import Form - Form 2" by mail.

11. Take Form 1 and Form 2 and the "proof of recall clearance document" (letter from your car's manufacturer which you requested in step 5 above) to an approved federal inspection centre (e.g. Canadian Tire). The service centre will do an inspection of the car to ensure that it conforms to Canadian standards. If your vehicle did not require major alterations according to http://www.riv.ca/english/US_vehicle_admissibility.pdf, it should pass this inspection with no problem. This inspection should not cost you anything, except if any modification is required. Our last inspection cost CAD$8.04 for the purchase of a tether bolt, which is required to be in all cars sold in Canada. After the completion of the federal inspection, the inspector will stamp Form 1.

12. Take Form 1, original title, bill of sales, safety inspection certificate (Ontario), emission inspection certificate (Ontario), and insurance certificate to your vehicle licence issuing office (the documents may vary in other provinces). In Ontario you will have to pay 8% Provincial Sales Tax and some additional fees for your license plate purchase and sticker.

13. Within a few days, you will receive your car's Canadian Certification Label by mail, which you will have to affix to the car.

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For those interested in importing a New Toyota from a dealer in the States:

If you have a relative/friend in the states, you can arrange the purchase under their name, and, more importantly, also avoid extra registration fees and US sales tax.

I just did this by picking a dealership from a different state as my relative. In this case, the dealer will just give you a temporary permit, and a copy of the MCO (Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin). This can be faxed to the US border, and will allow you to export the car without actually registering in the states or paying state sales tax. If you buy in the same state as your relative, then the dealer is pretty much obligated to register and plate the car. The out-of-state thing is crucial if you want to avoid the extra delay and cost of having to register and transfer the car.

All the paperwork was done by courier between the dealer and my relative. I brought the payment, and picked up the vehicle. There was no need to actually physically, or financially, involve my relative in the transaction.

The trick is that you have to indicate to US customs that your relative is the purchaser/exporter and that you are the transporter. Their name will have to go on the MCO, and you cannot transfer the MCO, in the States, between individuals. It can only be transferred from a dealer to an individual, or between dealers.

Luckily, the Canadian system doesn't have the same restrictions. I drew up a simple bill of sale between my relative and myself, effective the date of pickup. I used this, along with the stamped MCO, and was able to start the RIV process under my own name, once I got the vehicle to Canada.

Essentially, I exported the vehicle from the US under my relative's name, and imported it into Canada under my name. I had no problems with insurance, or registration in Canada, pretty much disclosed everything to everyone. (Except US customs, and that was because they didn't ask!).

I saved a ton of money, and the dealer was more than happy to sell the car. Toyota has no restrictions about re-sale, so his ass was firmly covered. He even helped me with faxing things ahead of time to US customs, and getting me a service printout to prove recall clearance.

SUMMARY:
Out of state purchase 
get MCO and Bill of sale and recall letter 
fax to Border crossing 

wait 3 days 
drive to US border  stamped 
go to CDN border import and pay fees GST/DUTY/RIV/Air RIV forms 
Cdn tire inspection and DRL 
MTO for licence and PST.
The last thing to do which is important:
Invest the $10,000 to $20,000 in your childs education with the money you saved !!!!


Great summery....should be a faq.


Few questions/comments...
1. If buying a used car from a private seller would there be any changes?
1.1 For proof of insurance do they just need the policy number or something with a vin of the car? My insurance company says the policy number stays the same.
2. If the state has a sales tax agreement with the relatives state than you will be charged sales of that state.
3. What are some success Toyota dealers in the US? Can't seem to find any...anyone compile a list?
4. If using mailboxes etc...you will be paying 4% sales tax in NY and registration...wouldn't that be small compared to time and airplane ticket to North Carolina from GTA?

[Monsieurmaggot]

Folks;

Here is a summary sheet I made up from a couple useful postings on importing a new car from the US into Canada. Also there is a good summary below on how to import a Toyota.

Thought I would share with you.

SUMMARY:
Out of state purchase 
get MCO and Bill of sale and recall letter 
fax to Border crossing 

wait 3 days 
drive to US border  stamped 
go to CDN border import and pay fees GST/DUTY/RIV/Air RIV forms 
Cdn tire inspection and DRL 
MTO for licence and PST.
The last thing to do which is important:
Invest the $10,000 to $20,000 in your childs education with the money you saved !!!!:razz:
<SNIP>

Steps For Importing A Car Into Canada:

1. Check if the car that you are planning to purchase is admissible for importing into Canada. The list is available at: www.riv.ca/english/US_vehicle_admissibility.pdf. This list also will state if any major modification is required to import your car into Canada.

2. Get your new car insured by your Canadian insurance company. Make sure that your insurance covers you while you are in the United States. The insurance coverage should begin on the day that you are planning to pick up your car.

3. After purchasing your car at a U.S. Dealer, they will issue you a one-month temporary license plate. You can drive in the U.S. and Canada (while you are completing the import process) with the temporary license during this period.

4. Fax the car's Certificate of Title to the U.S. Customs at the border where you will be exiting the Country. U.S. Customs needs three business days to process the title before they can authorize exportation of your car (a stamp is needed for importing the car into Canada). Call the U.S. Customs office to ensure that they have received your fax.

5. Request a "proof of recall clearance document" from your car's manufacturer. This will be required to register your car in Canada.

6. Drive the car to Canada. Allow three business days from when you faxed the title to the U.S. Customs before you go through the border (otherwise you will have to come back to the border to get the export stamp later). Note that Canada Customs may not allow a Canadian resident to drive their car with a U.S. license plate in Canada, unless they are satisfied that the owner is in the process of licensing the car in Canada. Make sure you go through the U.S. Customs office that received your fax (refer to Step 4 above).

7. Get your Certificate of Title stamped for exportation by U.S. Customs.

8. Drive to the Canadian Customs office. They will need the Bill of Sale and the Certificate of Title stamped by U.S. Customs for exportation. You will pay 7% GST, CAD$100 excise tax if your car has an air conditioner, and CAD$182 fee for the Registrar of Imported Vehicles (cars manufactured in the U.S.A and Canada are normally exempt from additional import duties). You may use a credit card or the payment. You will receive the Vehicle Import Form - Form 1. You will need this form to register the car in your province. A second form, Form 2, will be mailed to your home address within 5 to 7 business days.

9. In Ontario you will have to carry out a safety inspection and a vehicle emission inspection. For our last car these inspections were CAD$63.24 and CAD$37.45 for our last car (the car passed all tests without needing any work).

10. About two weeks after your arrival in Canada, you will receive the "Vehicle Import Form - Form 2" by mail.

11. Take Form 1 and Form 2 and the "proof of recall clearance document" (letter from your car's manufacturer which you requested in step 5 above) to an approved federal inspection centre (e.g. Canadian Tire). The service centre will do an inspection of the car to ensure that it conforms to Canadian standards. If your vehicle did not require major alterations according to http://www.riv.ca/english/US_vehicle_admissibility.pdf, it should pass this inspection with no problem. This inspection should not cost you anything, except if any modification is required. Our last inspection cost CAD$8.04 for the purchase of a tether bolt, which is required to be in all cars sold in Canada. After the completion of the federal inspection, the inspector will stamp Form 1.

12. Take Form 1, original title, bill of sales, safety inspection certificate (Ontario), emission inspection certificate (Ontario), and insurance certificate to your vehicle licence issuing office (the documents may vary in other provinces). In Ontario you will have to pay 8% Provincial Sales Tax and some additional fees for your license plate purchase and sticker.

13. Within a few days, you will receive your car's Canadian Certification Label by mail, which you will have to affix to the car.




This is great but some information is incorrect. The information is mostly outdated.

Point 3: The transit permit validity varies from state-to-state. There is some serious debate on whether a US temporary plate is valid in Canada. In the case of my insurer, State Farm Insurance, they say US temporary plates are not valid in Canada and a provincial transit plate is also required.

Point 6: You can't drive the car legally into Canada without the proper US Customs export stamp.

Point 8: GST is 6%. Effective mid-March, 2007 you also pay a gas guzzler tax for any vehicle that consumes excessive amounts of gas. This applies to any new car purchased in Canada as well.

Point 9: If your bill of sale says "New Car" and you're in Ontario, no safety or emission testing is required. It is required for any used car.

Point 10 and 11: New rules at RIV indicate you won't get a form 2 from RIV without the Recall Letter. That notice appears on the main page at RIV.

New rules will also apply that are not mentioned:

Any vehicles manufactured after Sept. 2007 must have an immobilizer system installed in order to be listed on the new RIV list.

I'm sure other will agree that the rest is pretty accurate.

[Snocow]

Anybody looking at the Mazda 3 or Mazda 6 and get quotes yet. If so, can you share some info with me...Thanks.

[yyz2hkg]

This is great but some information is incorrect. The information is mostly outdated.

Point 3: The transit permit validity varies from state-to-state. There is some serious debate on whether a US temporary plate is valid in Canada. In the case of my insurer, State Farm Insurance, they say US temporary plates are not valid in Canada and a provincial transit plate is also required.

Point 6: You can't drive the car legally into Canada without the proper US Customs export stamp.

Point 8: GST is 6%. Effective mid-March, 2007 you also pay a gas guzzler tax for any vehicle that consumes excessive amounts of gas. This applies to any new car purchased in Canada as well.

Point 9: If your bill of sale says "New Car" and you're in Ontario, no safety or emission testing is required. It is required for any used car.

Point 10 and 11: New rules at RIV indicate you won't get a form 2 from RIV without the Recall Letter. That notice appears on the main page at RIV.

New rules will also apply that are not mentioned:

Any vehicles manufactured after Sept. 2007 must have an immobilizer system installed in order to be listed on the new RIV list.

I'm sure other will agree that the rest is pretty accurate.

That now makes 3-4 detailed summaries of how to import a vehicle that I know so far, but is there one that MonsieurMaggot (original OP) can make into a sticky.

LINKY1 (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4160338&postcount=1)

LINKY2 (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=477998)

LINKY3 (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5592747&postcount=4349)

[billyh55]

Is it true that rebates on nissan in the states are only apply if you are american? I was going to just pay cash but told no rebate if so and not if canadian

[johnsa]

This is great but some information is incorrect. The information is mostly outdated.

Point 3: The transit permit validity varies from state-to-state. There is some serious debate on whether a US temporary plate is valid in Canada. In the case of my insurer, State Farm Insurance, they say US temporary plates are not valid in Canada and a provincial transit plate is also required.

Point 6: You can't drive the car legally into Canada without the proper US Customs export stamp.

Point 8: GST is 6%. Effective mid-March, 2007 you also pay a gas guzzler tax for any vehicle that consumes excessive amounts of gas. This applies to any new car purchased in Canada as well.

Point 9: If your bill of sale says "New Car" and you're in Ontario, no safety or emission testing is required. It is required for any used car.

Point 10 and 11: New rules at RIV indicate you won't get a form 2 from RIV without the Recall Letter. That notice appears on the main page at RIV.

New rules will also apply that are not mentioned:

Any vehicles manufactured after Sept. 2007 must have an immobilizer system installed in order to be listed on the new RIV list.

I'm sure other will agree that the rest is pretty accurate.

Re Point 8: could someone clarify..I was under the impression that the gas guzzler tax applied only to vehicles manufactured AFTer a certain date in 2007...perhaps I heard wrong...

[ecgz88]

Yeah, I heard 2 Infiniti dealer in WA actually belongs to same corp, so the price is insame in WA. :)

each dealership might get only 13-18 cars out.. how they can survival? :confused:



Infiniti sells far fewer cars in WA than Subaru does.. it's not so much that Subaru put a lot of dealers in washington, as that the market can support it up here due to AWD being a pretty big deal. Most of the dealerships up here still push 50-100 cars a month... in some other states each dealership might get only 13-18 cars out.. If you want to sell Subarus in WA you just have to apply with Subaru, it is a franchise. And if you are experienced and have a good track record with car dealerships then they will approve you.

[hksun]

I am doing it! Finally, after seeing many suceessful stories.

I am in process of getting pre-owned BMW from Seattle.
I would like to ask anyone know how to get temp.car insurance.
The dealer there said I should get it in Canada before I pick up the car.

Thanks

[PQpine413]

i posted this in the auto forum but thought i'd get more reponses over here as well

I've been told that if i bought a car in the states and went thorugh with importing it, that when it's time for me to resell the car, the value would be lower than an equivalent of a 'canadian' car

isn't the car already 'canadian' after you've imported it and gone through with the mods required?

Thanks

[shopper-X]

i posted this in the auto forum but thought i'd get more reponses over here as well

I've been told that if i bought a car in the states and went thorugh with importing it, that when it's time for me to resell the car, the value would be lower than an equivalent of a 'canadian' car

isn't the car already 'canadian' after you've imported it and gone through with the mods required?

Thanks

Since not all manufactures allow the digital Odometer read out to be changed to Kilometers and also the Speedometer shows Miles larger (on top) then Kilometers, people find this "inconvenient" and discount the value.

It's a personal thing I guess.

[donx]

Anybody knows how to by cars from US to Canada and register under company's name? Thanks in advance.

[JayJJJ]

Just brought my 2008 Legacy SE back last week and have it registered in QC and would like to share something with you guys.

1. Karl told me that he sold 23 or 25 vehicles to Canadians last month. He must have made good money!
2. It was a nightmare to deal with my insurance company, TD insurance. Finally, I made it and I have to purchase a few months insurance first from it.
3. Confirmed at Alexandria Bay port that 72-hour waiting time is required unless this vehicle is never titled anywhere before. In another word, new vehicle could be brought to the port right away.
4. As long as you have all the documents ready, the time spent at the customers is next to nil. A breeze in deed.
5. Tax is charged based on the price before the manufacture rebate. In my case, even if I paid only $20K USD for my car, I had to pay my QST and PST based on $22K CAD, even thought the rate was 1.0564 that day.
6. You can pay the RIV fee at the custom and call them once you are home and quote your case number to get an electrical copy or form 2. You don't have to wait for 2 weeks.

Thanks for OP and thanks for everyone who contribute to this thread. I quoted a Malibu for $26K without ABS, side airbag, remote starter, a basic Legacy here for $32K. After my calculation, my total expense was withing $25K CAD, which is close to the price a Honda Civic.

Don't know if I should tell this story to the local dealer.

[Bob Sacamano]

Apologies if this has been asked and answered, but I have noticed people have been successful in importing 2008 vehicles. (Someone just mentioned a 2008 TL a few posts above).

How is it possible to import a vehicle that has not yet been added to the RIV eligibility list?

Also, as an aside, I noticed that people buying in the states don't have to pay PDI, or have been paying a reasonable amount, like $150 or $200.

This weekend I was car shopping in the GTA, and was several BMW and Audi dealerships were giving PDI prices of $800-$900 + $800 freight (Audi) or $1800 blended fee (BMW). This is aside from admin fees of ~200 - 300, which they all fairly quickly admitted would be easy to waive.

Now, I haven't bought a car in a long time, and I was really shocked at how ridiculous these fees seemed. Are these typical?

[whampoa]

5. Tax is charged based on the price before the manufacture rebate. In my case, even if I paid only $20K USD for my car, I had to pay my QST and PST based on $22K CAD, even thought the rate was 1.0564 that day.

I don't think so, Canadian tax (QST, PST, HST or PST) is base on the final price of the car (i.e. balance due on delivery, not the selling price).

I think what the Customs is confuse about is the NY sales tax comes before the manufacturer rebate.

IIRC, I believe in Canada the rebate and all other discount is included before the sales tax.

If I were you, I would double checked with Revenue Canada and the Provincial licensing office.

[eastsidesubaru]

Hey guys.. I am out of town until the 16th and internet access here in Mexico is $10 a day at my hotel... so if you need anything please call Becca - 425-823-3906 ... Just wanted to let ppl know. :)

[crasher]

9. In Ontario you will have to carry out a safety inspection and a vehicle emission inspection. For our last car these inspections were CAD$63.24 and CAD$37.45 for our last car (the car passed all tests without needing any work).



That is NOT TRUE!
You DO NOT need provincial safety or emission test for new imported vehicles in Ontario.
Read #3 of this (http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/rgoutcan.htm) checklist.

[diigii]

I would like to post my experience with meeting federal inspection and provincial licensing just so to clear up the confusion that some of the members here are posting that further confuses others who are thinking about or just about to import their US-spec cars. After I posted my border experience, why not share the aftermath to which my car I just brought across the border on Sept 4 is now registered and licensed in Ontario since Saturday, Sept 8.

After I got the Form 2 from RIV office when I personally went there to pay for the RIV fee, I went home to rest. I wanted to take the car right away to Canadian Tire but I was just so spent from driving thru the night that I decided to just do the rest the next day.

I did not start fulfilling the Form 2 requirements not until Sept 6, two days after I brought home the car. That night after work, I went to the Canadian Tire on Eglinton and Warden to have the fed inspection. After the guy sent out one of his staff to check and confirm the daytime running lights, he did the rest of the fed requirements (LATCH anchor for kids, bilingual stickers, functioning airbags), my car passed and was given photocopies of the approved Form 2 to take with me along with Form 1 to local MTO for licensing.

Sept 8: Went to MTO, bringing along Forms 1 and 2. MTO lady asked for my driver's license, car's insurance, the Forms, GST receipt from Canada Customs and original title. She asked for safety certificate and I told her I don't need one since it's a brand new car. She double-checked my title and she saw it's year 2007. She corrected herself and apologized. She inputted all pertinent information, including car's mileage and converted it to kilometres. I was assessed $2,138.17 for the PST, plates and registration. Now, all I'm waiting for is for my Canadian compliance label to arrive from the mail so I can stick it to my car's door jam beside the US compliance label.

I've tallied my final costs, including my one-way rental car from Buffalo to Maryland, gas and airport parking for my car. My savings came up to $12,845. I miss having the Maryland temp tags at the back of my car, telling everybody behind me that the car is imported. hahahaha!!!

And this is one of the highlights of my trip to a local GTA-area Nissan dealership after I passed my federal inspection. I went inside to ask the price of a hood deflector. Afterwards, I asked the lady at the service desk about warranty coverage on a US-bought car. She replied that it is no problem at all for them to do warranty work as long as the car is not written off. She thought it was a used car but I told her it's a brand new car bought from an authorized Nissan dealership. So she said "it's okay then." I couldn't believe Nissan Canada's official position is otherwise. I guess it depends on the dealership. I'm thinking that the dealership will go to Nissan USA directly.

[tomw]

Since not all manufactures allow the digital Odometer read out to be changed to Kilometers and also the Speedometer shows Miles larger (on top) then Kilometers, people find this "inconvenient" and discount the value.

It's a personal thing I guess.

Does anyone know if the Prius's display can be changed from miles to kms and from Fehrenheit to Celcius?

Thanks!

[sheriffabc]

Frugal:

Which dealership and sales person you bought from? I have a US address available and need a Toyota dealer who will sell on the basis you have indicated. Having a hard tinme finding one. TIA

[teep]

After all the hugely helpful material and advice on this post (esp thanx to Uncle_odb), we have finally taken the plunge and put a deposit on a new Subaru Outback 2.5 top spec LLbean. Zach (smart for him to be on this site!) has given us a great deal, got the colour wife desired (blue), and our total savings should be in the region of $10k.

As neither myself nor my wife (its her car) can easily take a weekday off right now, we made enquiries about having the car shipped here. It has proved hard to get much sense of the A&A company (good web site: poor phone messages). Their advertised 250 fee actually creeps up to around $310 all told, and they have been disconcertingly vague about the shipping cost, implying that it might be charged "on the day accord to mileage". They said about $750 to Vancouver, but if that actually began to creep up too, the total could end up being about $1500. Fortunately we have been rescued by my brother in law, who is going to pick the Subie up and bring it across the border for us (there is a neat post that tells us thats not a problem).

The most fuzzy area now in my mind is the Canadian insurance. From what I can gather this may vary with province, as some posts seem to suggest you can get a "binder" (what that?) to cover you from crossing the border till you get the car home, then you have to leave it sitting on your drive for a week while you wait for a Recall letter from the manufacturer to arrive. Then you need another insurance "binder" to drive to Canadian Tire get it inspected with your Form 2 etc, and then, finally, go get your Canadian plates.

Others sound, however, as though they are driving their imported cars on the temporary US plates (and some sort of insurance?) while they wait for all the stuff needed for the inspection to arrive.

So, should my brother in law get the insurance "binder" as its him driving the car home? Do I get it on my insurance as I am paying. Or does my wife get it on her insurance as she is the owner?

[shopper-X]

After all the hugely helpful material and advice on this post (esp thanx to Uncle_odb), we have finally taken the plunge and put a deposit on a new Subaru Outback 2.5 top spec LLbean. Zach (smart for him to be on this site!) has given us a great deal, got the colour wife desired (blue), and our total savings should be in the region of $10k.

As neither myself nor my wife (its her car) can easily take a weekday off right now, we made enquiries about having the car shipped here. It has proved hard to get much sense of the A&A company (good web site: poor phone messages). Their advertised 250 fee actually creeps up to around $310 all told, and they have been disconcertingly vague about the shipping cost, implying that it might be charged "on the day accord to mileage". They said about $750 to Vancouver, but if that actually began to creep up too, the total could end up being about $1500. Fortunately we have been rescued by my brother in law, who is going to pick the Subie up and bring it across the border for us (there is a neat post that tells us thats not a problem).

The most fuzzy area now in my mind is the Canadian insurance. From what I can gather this may vary with province, as some posts seem to suggest you can get a "binder" (what that?) to cover you from crossing the border till you get the car home, then you have to leave it sitting on your drive for a week while you wait for a Recall letter from the manufacturer to arrive. Then you need another insurance "binder" to drive to Canadian Tire get it inspected with your Form 2 etc, and then, finally, go get your Canadian plates.

Others sound, however, as though they are driving their imported cars on the temporary US plates (and some sort of insurance?) while they wait for all the stuff needed for the inspection to arrive.

So, should my brother in law get the insurance "binder" as its him driving the car home? Do I get it on my insurance as I am paying. Or does my wife get it on her insurance as she is the owner?

Hey Teep,
I know what you mean about A&A slowing adding fee's to the advertised $250 price...worse then Canadian Car Dealers :twisted:

Since you are in Vancouver you can try to call Canuck Towing for a shipping quote. They do not charge fuel surcharges and are straight forward. I'm using them to get my Tribeca shipped to Regina. They also work well with A&A, both know each other and have worked together a far bit.

The name and number I got is:
Phil Mathiesen, Manager
Canuck Towing & Services Ltd.
(604) 294-8294
M-F 11:00am-5:00pm PST

Also give SeaRail a try. They apparently are targeting/marketing WA Subaru dealers for the bester rates...not so for me.

George Hutchison
U.S. Sales Representative
Searail-Livingston Freight
(Phone) 604-521-1016 (Toll Free) 1-866-282-9831

[TorontoEh]

Folks;

Here is a summary sheet I made up from a couple useful postings on importing a new car from the US into Canada. Also there is a good summary below on how to import a Toyota.

Thought I would share with you.

SUMMARY:
Out of state purchase 
get MCO and Bill of sale and recall letter 
fax to Border crossing 

wait 3 days 
drive to US border  stamped 
go to CDN border import and pay fees GST/DUTY/RIV/Air RIV forms 
Cdn tire inspection and DRL 
MTO for licence and PST.
The last thing to do which is important:
Invest the $10,000 to $20,000 in your childs education with the money you saved !!!!:razz:
<SNIP>

Steps For Importing A Car Into Canada:

1. Check if the car that you are planning to purchase is admissible for importing into Canada. The list is available at: www.riv.ca/english/US_vehicle_admissibility.pdf. This list also will state if any major modification is required to import your car into Canada.

2. Get your new car insured by your Canadian insurance company. Make sure that your insurance covers you while you are in the United States. The insurance coverage should begin on the day that you are planning to pick up your car.

3. After purchasing your car at a U.S. Dealer, they will issue you a one-month temporary license plate. You can drive in the U.S. and Canada (while you are completing the import process) with the temporary license during this period.

4. Fax the car's Certificate of Title to the U.S. Customs at the border where you will be exiting the Country. U.S. Customs needs three business days to process the title before they can authorize exportation of your car (a stamp is needed for importing the car into Canada). Call the U.S. Customs office to ensure that they have received your fax.

5. Request a "proof of recall clearance document" from your car's manufacturer. This will be required to register your car in Canada.

6. Drive the car to Canada. Allow three business days from when you faxed the title to the U.S. Customs before you go through the border (otherwise you will have to come back to the border to get the export stamp later). Note that Canada Customs may not allow a Canadian resident to drive their car with a U.S. license plate in Canada, unless they are satisfied that the owner is in the process of licensing the car in Canada. Make sure you go through the U.S. Customs office that received your fax (refer to Step 4 above).

7. Get your Certificate of Title stamped for exportation by U.S. Customs.

8. Drive to the Canadian Customs office. They will need the Bill of Sale and the Certificate of Title stamped by U.S. Customs for exportation. You will pay 7% GST, CAD$100 excise tax if your car has an air conditioner, and CAD$182 fee for the Registrar of Imported Vehicles (cars manufactured in the U.S.A and Canada are normally exempt from additional import duties). You may use a credit card or the payment. You will receive the Vehicle Import Form - Form 1. You will need this form to register the car in your province. A second form, Form 2, will be mailed to your home address within 5 to 7 business days.

9. In Ontario you will have to carry out a safety inspection and a vehicle emission inspection. For our last car these inspections were CAD$63.24 and CAD$37.45 for our last car (the car passed all tests without needing any work).

10. About two weeks after your arrival in Canada, you will receive the "Vehicle Import Form - Form 2" by mail.

11. Take Form 1 and Form 2 and the "proof of recall clearance document" (letter from your car's manufacturer which you requested in step 5 above) to an approved federal inspection centre (e.g. Canadian Tire). The service centre will do an inspection of the car to ensure that it conforms to Canadian standards. If your vehicle did not require major alterations according to http://www.riv.ca/english/US_vehicle_admissibility.pdf, it should pass this inspection with no problem. This inspection should not cost you anything, except if any modification is required. Our last inspection cost CAD$8.04 for the purchase of a tether bolt, which is required to be in all cars sold in Canada. After the completion of the federal inspection, the inspector will stamp Form 1.

12. Take Form 1, original title, bill of sales, safety inspection certificate (Ontario), emission inspection certificate (Ontario), and insurance certificate to your vehicle licence issuing office (the documents may vary in other provinces). In Ontario you will have to pay 8% Provincial Sales Tax and some additional fees for your license plate purchase and sticker.

13. Within a few days, you will receive your car's Canadian Certification Label by mail, which you will have to affix to the car.

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For those interested in importing a New Toyota from a dealer in the States:

If you have a relative/friend in the states, you can arrange the purchase under their name, and, more importantly, also avoid extra registration fees and US sales tax.

I just did this by picking a dealership from a different state as my relative. In this case, the dealer will just give you a temporary permit, and a copy of the MCO (Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin). This can be faxed to the US border, and will allow you to export the car without actually registering in the states or paying state sales tax. If you buy in the same state as your relative, then the dealer is pretty much obligated to register and plate the car. The out-of-state thing is crucial if you want to avoid the extra delay and cost of having to register and transfer the car.

All the paperwork was done by courier between the dealer and my relative. I brought the payment, and picked up the vehicle. There was no need to actually physically, or financially, involve my relative in the transaction.

The trick is that you have to indicate to US customs that your relative is the purchaser/exporter and that you are the transporter. Their name will have to go on the MCO, and you cannot transfer the MCO, in the States, between individuals. It can only be transferred from a dealer to an individual, or between dealers.

Luckily, the Canadian system doesn't have the same restrictions. I drew up a simple bill of sale between my relative and myself, effective the date of pickup. I used this, along with the stamped MCO, and was able to start the RIV process under my own name, once I got the vehicle to Canada.

Essentially, I exported the vehicle from the US under my relative's name, and imported it into Canada under my name. I had no problems with insurance, or registration in Canada, pretty much disclosed everything to everyone. (Except US customs, and that was because they didn't ask!).

I saved a ton of money, and the dealer was more than happy to sell the car. Toyota has no restrictions about re-sale, so his ass was firmly covered. He even helped me with faxing things ahead of time to US customs, and getting me a service printout to prove recall clearance.

SUMMARY:
Out of state purchase 
get MCO and Bill of sale and recall letter 
fax to Border crossing 

wait 3 days 
drive to US border  stamped 
go to CDN border import and pay fees GST/DUTY/RIV/Air RIV forms 
Cdn tire inspection and DRL 
MTO for licence and PST.
The last thing to do which is important:
Invest the $10,000 to $20,000 in your childs education with the money you saved !!!!


Wow, thats great frugal, I was just wondering if someone could do this and make it a sticky......

1 suggestion is to somehow put it in a WIKI, so some of you who have imported several vehicles from US, can update and share your tips :)

[scouzi]

Anybody knows how to by cars from US to Canada and register under company's name? Thanks in advance.

Mine was bought under an Inc company. Just bring all your fed/prov paperwork with you. I brought my company book with me. My dealer actually phoned US border before to check what to do. They basically want the company's permit information. When I crossed however, they didn't check anything.

Make sure the dealer puts the Company name of the invoice.

I only noticed afterwards but the border people made the Form 1 under my personal name only.

When I went to the DMV in Quebec (SAAQ) to register under the the conapny's name, they spotted it but since the Invoice was made to my company it was OK and they didn't consider it a transfer of ownership.

[hammer]

Mine was bought under an Inc company. Just bring all your fed/prov paperwork with you. I brought my company book with me. My dealer actually phoned US border before to check what to do. They basically want the company's permit information. When I crossed however, they didn't check anything.

Make sure the dealer puts the Company name of the invoice.

I only noticed afterwards but the border people made the Form 1 under my personal name only.

When I went to the DMV in Quebec (SAAQ) to register under the the conapny's name, they spotted it but since the Invoice was made to my company it was OK and they didn't consider it a transfer of ownership.


I have a company and was wondering what the advantage would be to put it under a company name? Taxes?

[tico 1948]

I have a company and was wondering what the advantage would be to put it under a company name? Taxes?

If you are a Small Business, like I am (Sole Proprietorship, not Incorporated) all or some of the Sales Taxes due on the purchase can be claimed. If you have a leased vehicle and that vehicle is used exclusively for the business, eg. a pick-up truck or van type vehicle for pick-ups & deliveries, than the Tax portion of the monthly payment is 100% deductable from your monthly/quaterly PST/HST return.:D If the vehicle is only partially used for business that is, if you also use it for personal things (Groceries, Kids to their activities,Vacation Trips) then you have to show a reasonable Stand-By charge every month for taxation purposes at years end. That is especially true if you are a single vehicle family. In my case, I had to show a 300 km. Stand-By per month at years end when we only had 1 vehicle. Every business has different criteria that they can fall under. Best to talk with a professional Data Management person and they can give you a better idea on what would work best for your situation.

[scouzi]

I have a company and was wondering what the advantage would be to put it under a company name? Taxes?

Don't forget that the max GST/PST you can claim is on a $30K purchase. You cannot claim a sales tax credit on what is over $30k CDN.

The yearly amortization expense for income tax purposes is also based on a max $30k purchase.

Bottom line is you can buy a car over $30k but all tax and expenses for income tax purposes are capped as if you paid $30k for the car.

[teep]

Thank you shopper-x, will try the shippers you suggest!

[eastsidesubaru]

Thank you shopper-x, will try the shippers you suggest!

Teep: two important things if you do have it shipped - make sure you have Eastside Subaru listed as the 'shipper'. Also you will need to make sure they have a bill of lading (sp)??

=)

[5136440]

[QUOTE=Monsieurmaggot;5587698]There was nothing odd.

I walked in to the MTO office at Sheppard/McCowan in Scarborough, ON told the person behind the counter that I was buying a new car and needed a temporary permit to get it home.

I handed her a sheet with the Brand, model, trim and VIN number.

She took my $15 and printed me up a temporary permit. It took a few minutes, no questions asked. ////



Just come back from MTO office at Don Mills & Finch. They refused to issue Trip Permit since I do not have the title. I tried to explain that I need it to pick up the car I am buying in New York state and she assured me that it would be okay to drive with NY Temporary Permit in Ontario. Well, if you feel lucky, you may want to try different offices or individuals but chances are you are wasting time at line-up and most likely will get turned down.
Of course, you can visit the dealer twice but I doubt anyone would do it just for this. Oh well, I'll see how it happens.

[whampoa]

There was nothing odd.

I walked in to the MTO office at Sheppard/McCowan in Scarborough, ON told the person behind the counter that I was buying a new car and needed a temporary permit to get it home.

I handed her a sheet with the Brand, model, trim and VIN number.

She took my $15 and printed me up a temporary permit. It took a few minutes, no questions asked.



Just come back from MTO office at Don Mills & Finch. They refused to issue Trip Permit since I do not have the title. I tried to explain that I need it to pick up the car I am buying in New York state and she assured me that it would be okay to drive with NY Temporary Permit in Ontario. Well, if you feel lucky, you may want to try different offices or individuals but chances are you are wasting time at line-up and most likely will get turned down.
Of course, you can visit the dealer twice but I doubt anyone would do it just for this. Oh well, I'll see how it happens.

Me and half dozen people have the same issues with MTO not issuing temporary / trip permit.

My sense is Monsieur got really lucky or that particular clerk have no idea what he/she is doing.

Anyhow, I manage to import my Subie without any issued, so I guess no one ever bother with the permit.

[uncle_odb]

After all the hugely helpful material and advice on this post (esp thanx to Uncle_odb), we have finally taken the plunge and put a deposit on a new Subaru Outback 2.5 top spec LLbean. Zach (smart for him to be on this site!) has given us a great deal, got the colour wife desired (blue), and our total savings should be in the region of $10k.

As neither myself nor my wife (its her car) can easily take a weekday off right now, we made enquiries about having the car shipped here. It has proved hard to get much sense of the A&A company (good web site: poor phone messages). Their advertised 250 fee actually creeps up to around $310 all told, and they have been disconcertingly vague about the shipping cost, implying that it might be charged "on the day accord to mileage". They said about $750 to Vancouver, but if that actually began to creep up too, the total could end up being about $1500. Fortunately we have been rescued by my brother in law, who is going to pick the Subie up and bring it across the border for us (there is a neat post that tells us thats not a problem).

The most fuzzy area now in my mind is the Canadian insurance. From what I can gather this may vary with province, as some posts seem to suggest you can get a "binder" (what that?) to cover you from crossing the border till you get the car home, then you have to leave it sitting on your drive for a week while you wait for a Recall letter from the manufacturer to arrive. Then you need another insurance "binder" to drive to Canadian Tire get it inspected with your Form 2 etc, and then, finally, go get your Canadian plates.

Others sound, however, as though they are driving their imported cars on the temporary US plates (and some sort of insurance?) while they wait for all the stuff needed for the inspection to arrive.

So, should my brother in law get the insurance "binder" as its him driving the car home? Do I get it on my insurance as I am paying. Or does my wife get it on her insurance as she is the owner?

Hi Teep,

Congrats on your Subie purchase; Zach will treat you right! For Provincial Insurance Coverage for BC, I suggest you contact your insurance broker and just ask. Insurance varies from province to province, as you know already. For me, being in Vancouver, BC, I needed an insurance binder b/c i'm insuring an "unregistered" vehicle. This provides coverage for me should anything happen while driving back from the US to CAD back to my home. I'm pretty sure the insurance binder is in your wife's name as her name will be on the back of the MSO, and the Bill of Sale, not your brother in law. The trip permit given by the dealership is just a piece of paper stuck to your back window. It just allows you to drive the vehicle from the dealership within WA state, but it doesn't provide any insurance coverage, again, it's your insurance binder in BC that give this coverage. I've read different variations of this from people in different regions from insuring the vehicle or getting a trip permit from their insurance dealer first, then going down. Like I said, just call and ask b/c like you said, it varies from region to region. Enjoy!

[tico 1948]

I am doing it! Finally, after seeing many suceessful stories.

I am in process of getting pre-owned BMW from Seattle.
I would like to ask anyone know how to get temp.car insurance.
The dealer there said I should get it in Canada before I pick up the car.

Thanks

I spoke to my insurance agent today regaring insurance to bring a vehicle back from the states. Here's the drill according to him: Aquire the VIN for the auto a week in advance to your departure. This gives them the opportunity to get the necessary paperwork together.They will give you an insurance card for the vehicle along with a letter stating that insurance is in effect from the time you leave the dealership and during transit to Canada. That card is good for 14 days. Then when you get back home just go to the ins. office and get the permanent stuff done. Just that easy (at least with my agent ING) no fuss, no muss. Hope this helps.:)

[KevinH]

For anyone interested in purchasing a Toyota in the States: I am able to purchase and import any new Toyota from the US and sell it to you.

If you are interested, give me the model and any 'must have' options, and I'll give you a price including pickup in the US.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Now, I haven't bought a car in a long time, and I was really shocked at how ridiculous these fees seemed. Are these typical?

That's one of the first things that set off alarm bells for me over a year ago when I first started looking into this.

Subaru US's PDI was about $625US. It was $1500 Canadian. No Canadian dealer could justify why there was such a difference.

I was given all kinds of stories. Interesting that Alaska residents pay half of Canadians so it couldn't have anything to do with distance.

[Joko77]

So here are couple of new stories I`ve got since getting back home with my 2008 Aura TL on Friday:

1, On Saturday and Sunday, I got stopped 4 times by police.(3times in Toronto, 1 Peel regional police). I n all 4 cases they said they didn`t see my New York "out-of-state in-transit permit". Each time I just said the car is imported and showed them all the documentation I had from the deal and from the border + insurance. They let me go all the time.

2, I went to RIV, located @ West Mall and after I paid the fee, I was told that I will have to wait for 2 weeks max. till the list of admissable vehicles gets updated.

So I will still use my NY temporary plates (valid for 30 days), wait for RIV, and I will prolly record a message on a CD for all the Police officers so I don`t have to explain every time, whats up with those plates.

For those who are unsure if the NY temporary in-transit plates are OK, YES THEY ARE. Your dealer should slap them on your back window, when you buy the car. I got mine for $10 and they are good till they either expire or till you pass the inspection and register your new Ont. plates.

[yyz2hkg]

So here are couple of new stories I`ve got since getting back home with my 2008 Aura TL on Friday:

1, On Saturday and Sunday, I got stopped 4 times by police.(3times in Toronto, 1 Peel regional police). I n all 4 cases they said they didn`t see my New York "out-of-state in-transit permit". Each time I just said the car is imported and showed them all the documentation I had from the deal and from the border + insurance. They let me go all the time.

2, I went to RIV, located @ West Mall and after I paid the fee, I was told that I will have to wait for 2 weeks max. till the list of admissable vehicles gets updated.

So I will still use my NY temporary plates (valid for 30 days), wait for RIV, and I will prolly record a message on a CD for all the Police officers so I don`t have to explain every time, whats up with those plates.

For those who are unsure if the NY temporary in-transit plates are OK, YES THEY ARE. Your dealer should slap them on your back window, when you buy the car. I got mine for $10 and they are good till they either expire or till you pass the inspection and register your new Ont. plates.

Just a quick question though...I was interested in a 2008 Acura TL, but since it wasn't on the RIV list yet, how is it importable?

[scouzi]

That's one of the first things that set off alarm bells for me over a year ago when I first started looking into this.

Subaru US's PDI was about $625US. It was $1500 Canadian. No Canadian dealer could justify why there was such a difference.

I was given all kinds of stories. Interesting that Alaska residents pay half of Canadians so it couldn't have anything to do with distance.

There was an article in a french newspaper on how they increase the price of a car by increasing PDI so they can advertize a lower MSRP. I don't think the dealers realy know what it includes.

But I do think that economies of scale to play a factor in transportation costs. In the old days, a uniform PDI didn't exist which made cars in western Canada much more expensive than in Ontario because of piece-wise transportation costs.

However, I do believe that they are streched more in Canada. Another big factor when comparing US-Canada costs.

Ironically, a car made in Ontario has a lower PDI in Florida than in Oakville.

[HighFlyer]

On the weekend, I saw a Subaru Legacy GT at the Dixie and Dundas FS, and another on Dundas and 427. Both had Ontario plates with "Van Bortel" license plate holders. Any RFDers here want to raise their hands? :cheesygri

That said, if things work according to plan, you can add my Subaru to the list after Friday :).

[sonic19982]

I checked with several people at the MTO and all US temp permits are valid in Ontario until they expire. Likewise all Ontario temp permits are valid in the US.

[elmst200]

:) Does this signal that Toyota will eventually align its car price in Canadian and american markets? Good news anyway.

http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/070907-2.htm

September 7, 2007

Toyota drops price of 2008 Prius hybrid, adds more standard features



2008 Toyota Prius. Click image to enlarge
Photo Gallery: 2008 Toyota Prius

Toronto, Ontario - Toyota Canada announced the 2008 Prius hybrid now comes with more standard features and a lower starting price than the 2007 model. The 2008 Prius, now on sale, starts at $29,500. The 2007 model was $31,280.

New standard features include an auto-dimming rearview mirror, 16-inch alloy wheels (replacing 15-inch), garage door opener, coloured rear spoiler and fog lamps, and front seat-mounted side airbags and curtain airbags.

Two option packages are available: a Special Edition Premium Package adds vehicle stability control, premium stereo, backup camera and Smart Key system, while the Special Edition Premium Package with Navigation builds on that with a DVD-based navigation system.

Introduced in Japan in 1997 and in Canada in 2000, the Prius has sold more than 700,000 copies globally, which Toyota says makes it the most popular hybrid vehicle in the world. It uses a 1.5-litre four-cylinder engine mated to a high-torque electric motor/generator and 500-volt storage battery, and is rated at 4.0 L/100 km in city driving and 4.2 L/100 km on the highway.

[crasher]

So here are couple of new stories I`ve got since getting back home with my 2008 Aura TL on Friday:

1, On Saturday and Sunday, I got stopped 4 times by police.(3times in Toronto, 1 Peel regional police). I n all 4 cases they said they didn`t see my New York "out-of-state in-transit permit". Each time I just said the car is imported and showed them all the documentation I had from the deal and from the border + insurance. They let me go all the time.

2, I went to RIV, located @ West Mall and after I paid the fee, I was told that I will have to wait for 2 weeks max. till the list of admissable vehicles gets updated.

So I will still use my NY temporary plates (valid for 30 days), wait for RIV, and I will prolly record a message on a CD for all the Police officers so I don`t have to explain every time, whats up with those plates.

For those who are unsure if the NY temporary in-transit plates are OK, YES THEY ARE. Your dealer should slap them on your back window, when you buy the car. I got mine for $10 and they are good till they either expire or till you pass the inspection and register your new Ont. plates.

Even if you have temp. permit valid for 30 days, your form1 is only valid for 14 days. You can drive only for 14 days after it was issued. That means you have to get it towed to CT for getting the federal safety check. Or just park there.:cheesygri
BTW I got my Ontario plates for the new Camry hybrid, and instantly applied for the tax credit (http://www.rev.gov.on.ca/english/guides/rst/pdf/702.pdf):lol: Thus completing another successful import.
Another good thing about hybrids are that you never have to get its emission tested.:twisted:

[diigii]

Even if you have temp. permit valid for 30 days, your form1 is only valid for 14 days. You can drive only for 14 days after it was issued. That means you have to get it towed to CT for getting the federal safety check. Or just park there.:cheesygri
BTW I got my Ontario plates for the new Camry hybrid, and instantly applied for the tax credit (http://www.rev.gov.on.ca/english/guides/rst/pdf/702.pdf):lol: Thus completing another successful import.
Another good thing about hybrids are that you never have to get its emission tested.:twisted:

I'm not sure where you got the 14-day validity info for Form 1. The website says that if your file is UNPAID in 14 days, RIV will send you a reminder notice. Failure to comply within the 45-day period, your case will be forwarded to Transport Canada who will enforce the federal inspection. Failure to heed that, your vehicle may be refused licensing or an existing license will be revoked.

[Comatose]

Whoa... I would like to know as well! I've been in the process of attempting to import a 2008 Infiniti passenger vehicle, and after 20 phone calls and several run-arounds to RIV, Transport Canada, Nissan USA, and Nissan Canada, I've come to the conclusion that I can do absolutely NOTHING but wait until it magically appears on the RIV's list.

While you may be able to get the vehicle physically across the border, until its completely authorized by RIV and pass all inspections, I dont think you'll be able to properly insure it locally if im not mistaken...

Just a quick question though...I was interested in a 2008 Acura TL, but since it wasn't on the RIV list yet, how is it importable?

[crasher]

I'm not sure where you got the 14-day validity info for Form 1. The website says that if your file is UNPAID in 14 days, RIV will send you a reminder notice. Failure to comply within the 45-day period, your case will be forwarded to Transport Canada who will enforce the federal inspection. Failure to heed that, your vehicle may be refused licensing or an existing license will be revoked.

I am not sure how it came to me, I think this condition was briefed to me by custom agent.

[Joko77]

Just a quick question though...I was interested in a 2008 Acura TL, but since it wasn't on the RIV list yet, how is it importable?

Well, when I first decided on TL, I called riv cause I didn`t see it on the list. Nice lady on the phone told me that it is possible to import it into canada, but I might have to wait till it gets on the admisable list (was told it will take around 2-3 weeks most). Since my dealer told me that they had a guy that got back to Canada with a new 08 TSX, I said I`ll do it anyways. And I had no trouble at the border. All went well, although I had to wait for that 72 hour stupidity.

Oh and here are 2 quick photos of my new baby :)
1, http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/4939/dsc01246kc9.th.jpg (http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc01246kc9.jpg)
2, http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6898/dsc01247sv3.th.jpg (http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc01247sv3.jpg)

[chadw01]

Well, when I first decided on TL, I called riv cause I didn`t see it on the list. Nice lady on the phone told me that it is possible to import it into canada, but I might have to wait till it gets on the admisable list (was told it will take around 2-3 weeks most). Since my dealer told me that they had a guy that got back to Canada with a new 08 TSX, I said I`ll do it anyways. And I had no trouble at the border. All went well, although I had to wait for that 72 hour stupidity.

Oh and here are 2 quick photos of my new baby :)
1, http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/4939/dsc01246kc9.th.jpg (http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc01246kc9.jpg)
2, http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6898/dsc01247sv3.th.jpg (http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc01247sv3.jpg)

Sweet car.. how much did you pay/save?

What are you going to do about the warranty? Acura/Honda warranties aren't transferrable between US/Canada.

[chadw01]

For anyone interested in purchasing a Toyota in the States: I am able to purchase and import any new Toyota from the US and sell it to you.

If you are interested, give me the model and any 'must have' options, and I'll give you a price including pickup in the US.

Where in the US are you located? You sound like a broker, and not a Toyota dealer..

[yyz2hkg]

Oh and here are 2 quick photos of my new baby :)
1, http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/4939/dsc01246kc9.th.jpg (http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc01246kc9.jpg)
2, http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6898/dsc01247sv3.th.jpg (http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc01247sv3.jpg)



Very Nice....Congrats! Hmmmm...gets me itching to buy another vehicle.

[michelb]

Well, when I first decided on TL, I called riv cause I didn`t see it on the list. Nice lady on the phone told me that it is possible to import it into canada, but I might have to wait till it gets on the admisable list (was told it will take around 2-3 weeks most). Since my dealer told me that they had a guy that got back to Canada with a new 08 TSX, I said I`ll do it anyways. ...

So if I understand correctly, you bought it and exported it from the US but you aren't sure if you'll ever be able to import it into Canada and right now will just keep driving with the US temp permit until it goes on the RIV list

[SiR001]

has anyone purchased a new 2006/2007 Volkswagen - Jetta or GTI?
If so from where & how much did you pay?

I'm trying to decide between the 2...actually want a Jetta GLI to save on the 6.1% duty (however on the RIV pdf, it says the GLI can't be brought in..yet the Jetta GLI trim is available in Canada - I wonder why?) so my next best thing would be the GTI.

any leads? especially if you are in the BC area (Vancouver, 604, lower mainland area, Alberta boarder area)

[Joko77]

So if I understand correctly, you bought it and exported it from the US but you aren't sure if you'll ever be able to import it into Canada and right now will just keep driving with the US temp permit until it goes on the RIV list

Well, I am sure it will be on the list, because I was told by riv lady that it will be there, they just haven`t received reply from Acura Canada yet, so they cannot put it on the list. But she said that if the 2008 is the same as 2007 then all I have to do is to wait for 2 weeks max. And yeah I intend to drive it with US plate until I can register it.

[Da Mango]

Thanks to this forum, I recently picked up a 2006 Lexus RX400h from the US. It was incredibly easy, and compared to a used one here that Lexus dealers are selling, I saved nearly $18-$20k. All in all, it was a very easy process. For those ppl wanting to buy a vehicle out of Michigan, there is a way to avoid paying State tax, however, it will mean you have to pay for transport fees (saved $1500 as a result of the difference between State Tax minus transport fees). Depending on the value of the car/SUV, it may or may not make sense to just pay the State tax. I also used a customs broker who saved me a trip to go down to the border and clear customs. The fee was really nominal compared to my time to drive to there, wait, etc... All in all, a really pleasant experience, and again, would like to thank Monsieurmaggot for starting this forum.

[michelb]

Well, I am sure it will be on the list, because I was told by riv lady that it will be there, they just haven`t received reply from Acura Canada yet, so they cannot put it on the list. But she said that if the 2008 is the same as 2007 then all I have to do is to wait for 2 weeks max. And yeah I intend to drive it with US plate until I can register it.

I suspect that you're correct and it shouldn't be long but it still seems a bit risky to me.

Enjoy your new car - looks awesome!

[thegradas]

I also used a customs broker who saved me a trip to go down to the border and clear customs. The fee was really nominal compared to my time to drive to there, wait, etc...


Could you please name the customs broker you used in this transaction? Thanks.


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[Comatose]

I can almost guarantee you that if you call RIV and speak with someone else on the phone, you will likely get a different and less pleasing answer. There are already many 2008's out there that have been available in the canadian and US dealers for *months* and have yet to show up on the RIV. The majority of representatives I've spoken to from RIV have absolutely no information on when 2008's for other manufacturers will be rolled in, and tell me nothiing short of me having to just wait. I get the same answer when calling transport canada directly.
That being said -- i am completely on your side.. why SUV's are exempt from this RIV list is a joke (if anything I would think they should be more stringent with them). Hopefully by the next RIV update we'll see more 2008's, but really this is dependent on the manufacturers themselves in providing the required information to transport Canada.

Well, I am sure it will be on the list, because I was told by riv lady that it will be there, they just haven`t received reply from Acura Canada yet, so they cannot put it on the list. But she said that if the 2008 is the same as 2007 then all I have to do is to wait for 2 weeks max. And yeah I intend to drive it with US plate until I can register it.

[bobsyouruncle]

For those of you waiting for more 2008's to appear on the RIV list, here is an email that I received this morning from Livingston International. (Livingston manages the RIV program for transport Canada):


Dear Mr. Bobsyouruncle


Thank you for your inquiry regarding 2008 vehicles.


Please note the list of admissible vehicles is constantly being updated and currently holds some 2008 information. For future year vehicles not currently listed, the importer must contact the manufacturer directly and request a letter stating this particular vehicle's admissibility into Canada. Once this letter has been obtained, please fax it in to us, at 416-626-0366. Upon receipt of this letter, we will forward it to Transport Canada, so they can update their information, if it has been accepted. Once this has been completed, we will be able to provide you with a letter allowing you to cross the border. We anticipate this being completd within the next two weeks.

Regards,
XXXXXXX
Importer Service Representative
Registrar of Imported Vehicles

[michelb]

For those of you waiting for more 2008's to appear on the RIV list, here is an email that I received this morning from Livingston International. (Livingston manages the RIV program for transport Canada):


Dear Mr. Bobsyouruncle


Thank you for your inquiry regarding 2008 vehicles.


Please note the list of admissible vehicles is constantly being updated and currently holds some 2008 information. For future year vehicles not currently listed, the importer must contact the manufacturer directly and request a letter stating this particular vehicle's admissibility into Canada. Once this letter has been obtained, please fax it in to us, at 416-626-0366. Upon receipt of this letter, we will forward it to Transport Canada, so they can update their information, if it has been accepted. Once this has been completed, we will be able to provide you with a letter allowing you to cross the border. We anticipate this being completd within the next two weeks.

Regards,
XXXXXXX
Importer Service Representative
Registrar of Imported Vehicles

That's interesting.

First thing that jumps out at me is that it appears that once you get the letter from the manufacturer and send it to them, they need about two weeks to update the list and get you a letter back for you to import it so realistically if you are looking for a car that's not on the list, it could be easily 3 weeks or more before it's on it assuming you can get the letter from the manufacturere right away.

Second thing (has already been mentioned I think), is that you are probably at the mercy of the Canadian manufacturer. E.g. I just don't see Toyota USA / Subaru USA / whoever sending a letter to Canada stating the vehicle's admissibility into Canada and that it conforms with Canadian requirements, etc so you probably have to wait for Toyota Canada / Subaru Canada / whoever to send the letter.

[jadeboy]

For those of you waiting for more 2008's to appear on the RIV list, here is an email that I received this morning from Livingston International. (Livingston manages the RIV program for transport Canada):


Dear Mr. Bobsyouruncle


Thank you for your inquiry regarding 2008 vehicles.


Please note the list of admissible vehicles is constantly being updated and currently holds some 2008 information. For future year vehicles not currently listed, the importer must contact the manufacturer directly and request a letter stating this particular vehicle's admissibility into Canada. Once this letter has been obtained, please fax it in to us, at 416-626-0366. Upon receipt of this letter, we will forward it to Transport Canada, so they can update their information, if it has been accepted. Once this has been completed, we will be able to provide you with a letter allowing you to cross the border. We anticipate this being completd within the next two weeks.

Regards,
XXXXXXX
Importer Service Representative
Registrar of Imported Vehicles


I got the same thing when inquiring about the 2008 Lexus IS 350 (just out). All 2007 are admissible, the 2008 model is almost identical in every way to the 2007. There are already some 2008 Lexus that been out for that has not been updated on the riv.ca admissible list. Damn red tape and government... Anyway to speed up this process...? Any way to get the OEM paper and send directly to RIV.

[diigii]

I think something fishy is going on why the RIV list is not updated to include the new 2008 models for all manufacturers, and yet you see the 2008 models in dealer lots and some on the road now. Take for example the 2008 Nissan Altima coupe. That is 2008 model year but RIV's list on Nissan only has up to 2007 only. So why is Nissan Canada able to import those 2008 Altima coupes into Canada if they're not yet on RIV list of admissible cars? I can bet that Nissan Canada is withholding the 2008 model from Transport Canada so potential cross-border buyers cannot import it. Maybe some "secret deals" have been exchanged between government staff and the manufacturers, so they can throw another snag against the cross-border buying trend. Indeed, a foul stench emanates from all these delays.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I think something fishy is going on why the RIV list is not updated to include the new 2008 models for all manufacturers, and yet you see the 2008 models in dealer lots and some on the road now. Take for example the 2008 Nissan Altima coupe. That is 2008 model year but RIV's list on Nissan only has up to 2007 only. So why is Nissan Canada able to import those 2008 Altima coupes into Canada if they're not yet on RIV list of admissible cars? I can bet that Nissan Canada is withholding the 2008 model from Transport Canada so potential cross-border buyers cannot import it. Maybe some "secret deals" have been exchanged between government staff and the manufacturers, so they can throw another snag against the cross-border buying trend. Indeed, a foul stench emanates from all these delays.

I think is has more to do with the fact that the Canadian distributors need to actually do some work and confirm the 2008s have the immobilizers installed. This is a new import requirement. They can't simply paste the 2007s information onto their 2008 submissions.

You can bet they're trying to figure out what exactly an immobilizing system is.

[diigii]

I think is has more to do with the fact that the Canadian distributors need to actually do some work and confirm the 2008s have the immobilizers installed. This is a new import requirement. They can't simply paste the 2007s information onto their 2008 submissions.

You can bet they're trying to figure out what exactly an immobilizing system is.

I somewhat agree to a certain degree to what you said about the immobilizers as some manufacturers' cars aren't equipped with the system. But for Nissan's case, they have immobilizers in their cars since 2000 (I should know since my 2000 Altima has one.). So their reason couldn't be that it's taking them so long to provide info on their immobilizer systems. I know the others such as Honda, Toyota, Volkswagen, Chrysler, BMW, Volvo, etc have immobilizers in their cars since 2000.

[flaming homer]

I somewhat agree to a certain degree to what you said about the immobilizers as some manufacturers' cars aren't equipped with the system. But for Nissan's case, they have immobilizers in their cars since 2000 (I should know since my 2000 Altima has one.). So their reason couldn't be that it's taking them so long to provide info on their immobilizer systems. I know the others such as Honda, Toyota, Volkswagen, Chrysler, BMW, Volvo, etc have immobilizers in their cars since 2000.My 2001 Toyota Echo definetly does NOT have immobilizer, and I doubt any low-end cars do.
RIV told me 2008 SUV are fine except there may be an issue for those MANUFACTURED after September 1, 2007.

[jadeboy]

I think something fishy is going on why the RIV list is not updated to include the new 2008 models for all manufacturers, and yet you see the 2008 models in dealer lots and some on the road now. Take for example the 2008 Nissan Altima coupe. That is 2008 model year but RIV's list on Nissan only has up to 2007 only. So why is Nissan Canada able to import those 2008 Altima coupes into Canada if they're not yet on RIV list of admissible cars? I can bet that Nissan Canada is withholding the 2008 model from Transport Canada so potential cross-border buyers cannot import it. Maybe some "secret deals" have been exchanged between government staff and the manufacturers, so they can throw another snag against the cross-border buying trend. Indeed, a foul stench emanates from all these delays.

I don't get this.. manufactures are allowed to import their car but the consumer are not allow? If the 2008 Nissan Altima coupe was manufactured in Japan/USA.. technically their are not allows to import it into Canada? Then we should not see any 2008 Nissan Altima coupe in Canada. Regular average joe should follow the same rule as the manufactures.

[thien]

I think something fishy is going on why the RIV list is not updated to include the new 2008 models for all manufacturers, and yet you see the 2008 models in dealer lots and some on the road now. Take for example the 2008 Nissan Altima coupe. That is 2008 model year but RIV's list on Nissan only has up to 2007 only. So why is Nissan Canada able to import those 2008 Altima coupes into Canada if they're not yet on RIV list of admissible cars? I can bet that Nissan Canada is withholding the 2008 model from Transport Canada so potential cross-border buyers cannot import it. Maybe some "secret deals" have been exchanged between government staff and the manufacturers, so they can throw another snag against the cross-border buying trend. Indeed, a foul stench emanates from all these delays.


When I talked to Transport Canada, their response was: The Canadian "2008batch" that was manufactured in the US was manufactured based on the Canadian standards. Therefore the specs on this "2008 batch" were sent to Transport Canada thus allowing the dealerships to bring in the 2008's to sell to the Canadian market.

All other "2008 batches" that are manufactured to the US standards, the manufacturer has to send the specs to Transport Canada. There is not much you can do about it, even though both US and Canadian "batches" are manufactured from the same plant in the US.

Just gotta wait or go buy something else.

[KevinH]

Where in the US are you located? You sound like a broker, and not a Toyota dealer..

I'm neither a broker or a dealer. I'm located in Ontario and have some business connections with a Toyota dealer in the US that ables me to export them to Canada. I can give you a price on a US vehicle, which will be thousands less than what you'd pay up here - the whole point of this thread, I guess.

I do make money off of every car I import, however, at the end of the day its still far less than what you would pay in Canada. If you're interested, shoot me a pm or an email to TundraImports@gmail.com . As you can see by my email name, I usually only bring Toyota Tundra's across - and that is where you'd see the most savings, but I am able to deal with all new Toyota's.

Obviously the huge advantage to you is the savings you'll see, and you won't have to make the trip to the US to pick the vehicle up. Let me know if you're interested!

[shwinn]

Are imported Hybrids eligible for Federal and Provincial tax credit?

[warpdryv]

I'm neither a broker or a dealer. I'm located in Ontario and have some business connections with a Toyota dealer in the US that ables me to export them to Canada. I can give you a price on a US vehicle, which will be thousands less than what you'd pay up here - the whole point of this thread, I guess.

I do make money off of every car I import, however, at the end of the day its still far less than what you would pay in Canada. If you're interested, shoot me a pm or an email to TundraImports@gmail.com . As you can see by my email name, I usually only bring Toyota Tundra's across - and that is where you'd see the most savings, but I am able to deal with all new Toyota's.

Obviously the huge advantage to you is the savings you'll see, and you won't have to make the trip to the US to pick the vehicle up. Let me know if you're interested!

- How much less would my savings be than if I did it myself (ie: what's your cut?)

- How do you transfer ownership here? Do you register the car in Ontario (handling all the inspection/RIV documentation, etc) under your own name & pay pst/gst and then sell it to me?

[bcbud]

Are imported Hybrids eligible for Federal and Provincial tax credit?


Federal: No
http://www.tc.gc.ca/programs/environment/ecotransport/ecoAUTO-QandAs.htm

quote
"15. I bought an eligible vehicle in th United States, can I apply for the rebate?
Vehicles imported from the United States are not eligible for the ecoAUTO Rebate Program. Only vehicles that have been purchased or leased (12 months or more) in Canada on or after March 20th, 2007 are eligible for the rebate."

Provincial: Check on your provincial rebate site, can be found on the link above

[Louist]

this is the exerp from the email dealer mailed me.

The only way I could do this would be to have a name, address,
insurance and drivers license that match an address in the states.

the insurance and license might be a catch?

any ideas?

[bigwiggum23]

This dealership is staffed by bufoons.

I have sucessfully imported a brand new 2007 Hyundai Sonata SE from Hyundai in Kirkland, Wa. We got a great price on the car ($16,600 US OTD).

The Problem? These guys are a bunch of bafoons. They messed up sending the export documents to the border crossing after repeated request on my part to have this done. They shipped (terrible DHL) the documents to me express overnight thinking I would rather fax the documents to the border. FIVE days later the doc's arrived just as my wife was leaving to pick me up and go to the airport. This was 3 days past the deadline I had requested them sending the doc's to the border. The result? We had to stay in the USA for 4 extra nights over the labour day long weekend at our own cost. I aslo had to miss two days of work unpaid. They DID NOT offer any sort of compensation and barely ever mumbled an appology

The did give us a very nice key chain as compensation for their error. Actually, the sales manager - David Lafferty - was the one who messed everything up. Our sales guy took us out to dinner once.

I asked for some accessories at dealer cost as compensation. I was told "Sure!" The mud flaps they had tried to sell me the day before for $250 installed were suddenly out of stock. And so it goes.... Any further attempts to contact them have been totally ignored.

They are BRUTAL!

[teep]

The Subaru purchase documents have arrived by UPS and the wife is signing them as we speak. At least there is a pre-paid return UPS sticker. The package includes a rather odd out-of-state delivery document attesting against all sorts of awful penalties for lying that the car has been delivered, to us in Vancouver, which it hasnt, so technically we cant sign it. And nowhere on all this stuff does it say this is exactly the model and colour we ordered - is that normal?

Also, on the phone the dealer (Eastside Subaru in Seattle) now claims to know nothing about faxing documents to the border, but the lady on the phone (the famous Zach is on hols sipping Margueritas in Mehico) rather vaguely said they will, but given the previous post, I am chasing that aggressively. There is also a major issue in getting the money to them - which I hope to solve tommorrow so more on that later. Zach is great, but I am sensing some rather negative vibes about the dealership at the present time - there is a bit too much going on trust for my liking - lets hope all goes well.

Now, more confusion on the insurance situation in BC I am afraid.

My ICBC insurance agent said that the wife (she the owner) can get a one-day "binder" for $77 to cover the car from Seattle. But she also said that immediately after crossing the border we had to get a one-day Temporary Operating Permit (TOP, $33) from the ICBC office that was open nearest to the border at the Blaine truck crossing where we have to cross (she didnt know where that was). This is the first I have heard of needing to get a TOP. She said they cant issue a TOP until the car is physically in Canada. We will need to get another one day TOP to get to Canadian Tire, but thats OK and I would glad to be at that stage right now. Its getring a bit nerve racking.

[x51v]

This dealership is staffed by bufoons.

I have sucessfully imported a brand new 2007 Hyundai Sonata SE from Hyundai in Kirkland, Wa. We got a great price on the car ($16,600 US OTD).

The Problem? These guys are a bunch of bafoons. They messed up sending the export documents to the border crossing after repeated request on my part to have this done. They shipped (terrible DHL) the documents to me express overnight thinking I would rather fax the documents to the border. FIVE days later the doc's arrived just as my wife was leaving to pick me up and go to the airport. This was 3 days past the deadline I had requested them sending the doc's to the border. The result? We had to stay in the USA for 4 extra nights over the labour day long weekend at our own cost. I aslo had to miss two days of work unpaid. They DID NOT offer any sort of compensation and barely ever mumbled an appology

The did give us a very nice key chain as compensation for their error. Actually, the sales manager - David Lafferty - was the one who messed everything up. Our sales guy took us out to dinner once.

I asked for some accessories at dealer cost as compensation. I was told "Sure!" The mud flaps they had tried to sell me the day before for $250 installed were suddenly out of stock. And so it goes.... Any further attempts to contact them have been totally ignored.

They are BRUTAL!

Can you tell me what model you take? what is that mean $16,600 US OTD? thans.

[Lax5]

The Subaru purchase documents have arrived by UPS and the wife is signing them as we speak. At least there is a pre-paid return UPS sticker. The package includes a rather odd out-of-state delivery document attesting against all sorts of awful penalties for lying that the car has been delivered, to us in Vancouver, which it hasnt, so technically we cant sign it. And nowhere on all this stuff does it say this is exactly the model and colour we ordered - is that normal?

Also, on the phone the dealer (Eastside Subaru in Seattle) now claims to know nothing about faxing documents to the border, but the lady on the phone (the famous Zach is on hols sipping Margueritas in Mehico) rather vaguely said they will, but given the previous post, I am chasing that aggressively. There is also a major issue in getting the money to them - which I hope to solve tommorrow so more on that later. Zach is great, but I am sensing some rather negative vibes about the dealership at the present time - there is a bit too much going on trust for my liking - lets hope all goes well.

Now, more confusion on the insurance situation in BC I am afraid.

My ICBC insurance agent said that the wife (she the owner) can get a one-day "binder" for $77 to cover the car from Seattle. But she also said that immediately after crossing the border we had to get a one-day Temporary Operating Permit (TOP, $33) from the ICBC office that was open nearest to the border at the Blaine truck crossing where we have to cross (she didnt know where that was). This is the first I have heard of needing to get a TOP. She said they cant issue a TOP until the car is physically in Canada. We will need to get another one day TOP to get to Canadian Tire, but thats OK and I would glad to be at that stage right now. Its getring a bit nerve racking.


Teep, call a different ICBC agent. I had a binder that was good for ten days and after I got back I went directly to the agent and rolled the binder into a temp permit for the remaining days. I believe the total cost for the ten days was in the $80 range. A friend also had a similar experience with his binder, although it was slightly different. The point being that it may depend on the agent/office that you deal with.

[teep]

woo - thanks for the advice. Will do just that. How come all these insurance agents have different ideas about this! So you dont need to rush into White Rock and get a TOP to get home?

[2Addicted]

Can you tell me what model you take? what is that mean $16,600 US OTD? thans.


I think he meant... $16,000 US OTD (out the door - final price)...

[hksun]

How do you guys pay the GST at the Customs?
What methods of payment do they accept?
Mine is going to be 4 grand. Anyone? Thanks

[yyz2hkg]

How do you guys pay the GST at the Customs?
What methods of payment do they accept?
Mine is going to be 4 grand. Anyone? Thanks

IIRC, Cash/Credit Card/Interac is accepted when paying the GST at Customs. The RIV fee is Credit Card only, no Interac, as the fees go directly to the the RIV.

[hksun]

IIRC, Credit Card/Interac is accepted when paying the GST at Customs. The RIV fee is Credit Card only, no Interac, as the fees go directly to the the RIV.


Thank you for the prompt answer.

[southpaw4golf]

I'm in the process of preparing to fax copies of my title and bill of sale to customs officials on the US side for my 2006 VW Touareg purchase. The dealer had emailed me a hi resolution scan of the documents which look really good, but when I print them off for faxing the quality is so, so. Does anyone know if customs will accept an emailed attachment of the documents rather than a fax?

[yyz2hkg]

I'm in the process of preparing to fax copies of my title and bill of sale to customs officials on the US side for my 2006 VW Touareg purchase. The dealer had emailed me a hi resolution scan of the documents which look really good, but when I print them off for faxing the quality is so, so. Does anyone know if customs will accept an emailed attachment of the documents rather than a fax?

Documentation required:

For U.S. Titled Vehicles:

Vehicles issued an original certificate of title. For used, self-propelled vehicles issued, by any jurisdiction in the United States, a Certificate of Title (See Attachment A) or a Salvage Title that remains in force, the owner must provide to Customs the original Certificate of Title or a Certified Copy of the Certificate of Title and two complete copies of the original Certificate of Title or the Certified Copy of the original.

Certified Copy and Copy of the Title Record

A number of states will not issue a certified copy of the certificate of title under certain circumstances. In some states, the certified copy is equal to a duplicate title, replacing an original certificate of title that has been lost, destroyed, or damaged, or has become illegible. In these states, the certified copy is an acceptable document on which ownership may be transferred; thus, these states will not issue a certified copy if the original is still available. In a similar situation, if a recorded lien exists and the original title is held by the lienholder, a state DMV will not issue a certified copy.
In these situations, Customs will accept another document—known as a copy of the title record, title record, title summary, title abstract, or a similar name—to meet the ownership document requirement of 19 CFR 192.2 (b)(1). The copy of the title record is a DMV-generated computer printout of the vehicle’s title and registration data which is then certified by the DMV with a seal and original signature. The American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators (AAMVA) indicates that this document is widely used and should be generally available from state DMVs. There is usually a small fee, and some DMVs offer same-day service to individuals who apply in person. NOTE: Only documents issued by the state DMV—the same government authority that issued the original certificate of title—will be accepted by Customs.
Copies of the title record should be requested from the state DMV using the VIN rather than the name of the owner; this will produce a complete report, reflecting the last owner of record.
If the vehicle has a recorded lien and the lienholder issues a letter authorizing the vehicle to be exported but will not release the original certificate of title, the exporter may satisfy the requirements of 19 CFR Part 192 by securing a certified copy or copy of the title record. Certified copies of the certificate of title that have been obtained by the lienholder from the state DMV on behalf of the exporter are acceptable for presentation to Customs. A certified or notarized copy issued by the lienholder is NOT acceptable. The copy of the title record must be presented to Customs together with the letter of authorization from the lienholder.

This may help: LINKYPOO (http://search.cbp.gov/query.html)

[MVP1]

Can someone post or PM me a quick summary for BC(Vancouver)?

Thanks in advance

[Lax5]

woo - thanks for the advice. Will do just that. How come all these insurance agents have different ideas about this! So you dont need to rush into White Rock and get a TOP to get home?

I am not sure if one is really supposed to, but I didn't. I imported at the start of January and the ICBC agents where I went had to talk about it, look into their manuals and then eventually call ICBC. I believe that my friend did not get to roll the remaining time into a TOP, but also did not need to pay for the one day permit to take it to Canadian Tire. Let us know if you try a different agent and it turns out differently. Perhaps the first question to the agent should be, "Have you ever sold a binder to someone importing a vehicle from the US and driving it home?"

[bionicbadger]

I'm in the process of preparing to fax copies of my title and bill of sale to customs officials on the US side for my 2006 VW Touareg purchase. The dealer had emailed me a hi resolution scan of the documents which look really good, but when I print them off for faxing the quality is so, so. Does anyone know if customs will accept an emailed attachment of the documents rather than a fax?

You will probably have to fax them. Don't worry about it though. I faxed a fax of a fax that was barely legible and it was fine, dealer said they do it all the time and never had a problem. If you know the email address (its been posted for blaine) you send them an email a day later and ask if they received the documents and everything is ok. They will email back saying you can export on day XX and make sure to bring the original documents.

[Louist]

Does the riv form 1 have to be filled out at the border, or can you drive home and then call and start the process? There was some confusion with a statement made earlier where the person said they started the riv process again, but this time in their name.

If I am forced to use a friend in the us name and address, the title will be in their name, and at the border will the customes not want to have the us persons name on the riv form?

Any clarity to the process for using an out of state person as a name and address would be helpfull. car is in NY person in NC, me the buyer in Ontario.

I know that the car does not need to be registered in the US, and can be exported then registered for the first time in Canada. I suppose the manufacturer will have the wrong name as the original owner though, and although it was registered once, the us persons name and adress will be in the system for warrenty?

If the RIV list is not updated, can one still bring the car into canada, then when it gets on the list start the whole process of riv, inspection, plates?

Thanks Lou

[HighFlyer]

How does one go about declaring the large $20000+ bank draft at the border (and do we need to?)? I know if you're going by air, you just simply check off "I/we are bringing $10000 or more" on the customs declaration form.

[yyz2hkg]

How does one go about declaring the large $20000+ bank draft at the border (and do we need to?)? I know if you're going by air, you just simply check off "I/we are bringing $10000 or more" on the customs declaration form.

At the border, I told them I had a Bank Draft for $XX, xxx amount (over 10 000) you must declare. I did so and they asked me what it was for. I told them, with documentation, it was for a car purchase as stated on the draft. I also produced the agreement to coincide with the amount.

[5136440]

Teep, call a different ICBC agent. I had a binder that was good for ten days and after I got back I went directly to the agent and rolled the binder into a temp permit for the remaining days. I believe the total cost for the ten days was in the $80 range. A friend also had a similar experience with his binder, although it was slightly different. The point being that it may depend on the agent/office that you deal with.


What binder? My ins. agent @ ING Novex (Ontario) issued the full coverage even before I take possession of the car.

[whampoa]

What binder? My ins. agent @ ING Novex (Ontario) issued the full coverage even before I take possession of the car.

Same here, no binder, no temp coverage and no question ask.

I got full coverage the day I call about insuring a new car purchase. Told the agent about the new car descriptions, VIN and the date of possession. They already have my previous coverage records.

That's all I have to do!

[Louist]

Well I have found the answers I was looking for. You can bring an inaddmissable car into Canada, but if it does not appear on the list in 45 days you are in big trouble as it needs to be inspected and plated by that time...could go as far as fines and jail if your riv process is not completed in time.

As for importing...It is getting very difficult to get an Audi, all so far want the car to be registered in the USA. Audi is pressing hard so that no NEW cars are sold to Canadians. Only used. SO as in the Toyota posts before....this seems the only way to get a new Audi into Canada. The last dealer was even more restrictive than the others...wanted everything via a us resident, all I could do is pickup, and sort out the import after the fact with a us resident friend. The search continues.

[BigCheap]

Sorry about the long post but I wanted to share my experience and hopefully help others. I live in Ottawa and although the process was not without some hassle, it was quite easy overall and I would do it again.

1. Research: Identify the car you wish to import. Verify that the difference in price made importing viable and that the vehicle is on the RIV list.
In my case the vehicle was a 2007 Acura MDX with Sport and Entertainment packages (roughly equivalent to Elite model in Canada – minus roof rack).
Test drove one here and decided it met our criteria. The RX-350 was too small and the Lexus dealers here are pricks. The Canadian Acura dealers were great but they could not take 10K off the price, so no deal.
2. Dealers: Call US dealers and ask to speak with the Internet sales manager (usually more versed in cross-borders shoppers). Ask if they will sell to a Canadian with or without providing a US address for the Title (NOT Registration!!!).
I called three different Acura dealers:
i. Would sell if I provided a US address for Title but refused to do anything extra.
ii. Would sell if I provided a US address for Title but did not do this very often and were unaware of the process.
iii. Would sell if I provided a US address for Title and very familiar with the process. Happy to answer any questions about the process.
Got so many of the right answers from the third dealer we decided to concentrate on them. Used the address of a friend in Pennsylvania. This meant no Vermont state taxes. This means the car is titled but not registered in the USA. This technique should allow others to get around the stupid Lexus rules as well. As far as the dealer is concerned you are transporting the vehicle out of state to have it registered.
3. Negotiate: Determine if the make/model/colour you want is on the lot or can be obtained and negotiate the sale price. Also ask about the down payment amount and method and final payment method.
In our case the down was $2000 on credit card and the rest could be wired or EFT. Other dealers would only deal with certified cheques or cash. Also they would get the make/model/colour we desired for no extra charge. Other dealers wanted $400 to $750 for this service. Our chosen dealer offered us $3000USD off the list price and included a cargo cover and lock nuts.
4. Insurance: Once your down payment is made, you should be able to get the VIN of the vehicle and secure temporary insurance coverage.
In our case, our broker called the insurance company (Wawanesa) to ask about coverage. They replied that they did not provide such coverage. I pointed out that the OPA document specifies that new vehicles from outside Ontario (nothing about outside Canada) are covered automatically for 14 days. I also said that I would change companies if coverage was denied. They agreed to cover the vehicle and provided me with a temporary coverage slip.
5. Financing: Arrange to get the money to the dealer.
In our case, we got a bank draught for the outstanding amount and took it to Calforex Exchange services, which converted and wired the funds to the dealers bank. The dealer confirmed receipt and prepared all documentation required at the border. The documents were couriered to the US custom service at the crossing we would be using. The dealer sent the original MSO and bill of sale. I called several crossings since we are about an hour from three. Each one had different requirements for the docs. One said: ‘for new card just show up’, another said ‘fax the documents 72 hours in advance’ and the third said ‘original documents must be received 72 hours prior to importation’. We followed regulations.
6. Documentation: Ensure that all required documentation would be at the dealers when you pick up the car, with you or at the border crossing.
They dealer was providing the temporary license (30 days), a Recall Clearance Letter and all sales documents. The MSO and bill of sale were couriered to the US border crossing. Since Acura refuses to provide Recall Clearance Letters for imported vehicles and it would make life difficult for the dealer, they provided us with a letter attesting to the fact that no recalls existed (which was on their letterhead and included the VIN); this was sufficient.
7. Delivery: Take delivery of the vehicle just as you would here.
We finished the paperwork, inspected the vehicle and went over some of the really cool features. This took about one hour. We took a hotel room in town so that we could complete the purchase in the AM and ensure our arrival at US customs well before they close for vehicle importation at 4pm.
8. US Customs: Present yourself at the border crossing with the rest of your documentation and tell them you are importing a vehicle. They will ask for some ID and information so they can look up your documentation sent to them 72 hours before. Although some customs offices will accept faxes, the rules stipulate original MSO and 2 copies of the bill of sale. Anything less is risky. They will complete some documentation of their own and perform a minor inspection of the vehicle. In our case the MSO was already stamped since they had completed the investigation of the vehicle. (20 minutes)
9. Canada Customs: At the border inform them you are import the vehicle. They will complete a yellow form and ask you to park and enter the building. One of the officers will complete RIV Form 1, inspect the vehicle, charge you GST and AC tax, Charge you the RIV fee and fax Form 1 to the RIV office. They take credit cards, cash and debit. They should ask for a fax the Recall Clearance Letter to the RIV as well. Once you pay they will print out a tax receipt for you. (25 minutes)
10. RIV Form 2: Call to confirm they receive your Form 1 and the Recall Clearance Letter. Wait a couple of business days and call and ask if Form 2 is ready. If it’s ready, give them a fax number or email address and they will get Form 2 out right away. Form 2 will list the items that Canadian Tire should check. I had to fax them the Recall Clearance Letter. They understood the situation with Acura and accepted the dealer’s letter.
11. Canadian Tire: Once you have Form 2, call the closest Canadian Tire, ask to speak with the service manager and tell him/her that you have Form 2 and would like to do the RIV inspection. They will probably tell you it’s first-com-first-served. If so ask if now is a good time.
Those I called insisted I would need a Drive Clean or Safety inspection. NOT TRUE!! Canadian Tire was the worst part of the process. The first two stores I went to had no one available to do the inspection (IDIOTS). The next day I called the one in Kanata and they said it would take 10 minutes and come in any time, nothing about Drive Clean or a safety. I asked about the French labels for the air bags and they said they didn’t care since I could just rip them off when I got home. I showed up, they inspected (5 minutes) and then they stamped my Form 2 and faxed it to RIV. (15 minutes)
12. Registration: Once you have all your documents, you can register the vehicle. Bring your MSO, Bill of Sale, Customs tax receipt, Recall Clearance Letter, insurance slip, drivers license, stamped Form1 and Form 2. Pay them the PST listed on the Customs tax receipt. You can pay for the plate, the sticker and the PST by debit or credit card.
This is what we did and the process took 15 minutes on Friday night. We left with our new plates, everything paid for, and all paperwork done. (15 minutes)


Purchase:

2007 Acura MDX with Sports and Entertainment packages (Elite in Canada)
Dark Cherry Pearl
Cargo Cover, body side molding and lock nuts included.

Total price with delivery ($6 and admin fee ($125): $45 590 USD $48 130 CDN

Taxes: A/C tax $100 CDN
GST $2 915 CND
PST $3 886 CND

Hotel $112 CND
Gas $100 CND
Bank Fees $30 CND
Total $55 273 CND

Total in Canada (assuming $2000 off MSRP) $70 790 CND

Time
Sent out emails and called various Acura dealers July 10
Negotiated final price and placed down payment July 23
Wired final amount to dealership July 27
Documents sent to customs via courier July 31
Pick up vehicle and repatriate to Canada August 6
Canadian Tire inspection and MTO license August 10
RIV sticker placed on vehicle August 16

Drawbacks: Odometer in miles, temperature in Fahrenheit and navigation DVD is US version and contains only a few parts of Canada. We ordered the Canadian version from Alpine. A total rip off at $320 but the Maritimes was fairly well covered.

Potential drawback: Warranty not valid in Canada. US dealer will happily service under warranty. Myself, my wife and all the others we polled confirmed that they had not had any warranty work done for their current new car. Since Acura has a very high build quality, we did not consider the lack of Canadian warranty a serious issue.

There seems to be a fair amount of unintentional misinformation in this thread. I would suggest that you do your own research to confirm these steps. We had no problem using the temporary plates while driving in Ontario and we have seen other importers drive by with the same type of plate. Also new cars do not require a safety or drive clean check. Finally, my insurance company (Wawanesa) covered me once I explained that I was aware of the rules for Ontario insurers and that I would switch if they would not cover me.

If you would like to purchase a new Acura, Audi or Volkswagon and you live relatively close to Burlington Vermont, please contact John Kimel at acurajohn@hotmail.com or 802-343-2666. His goal was to make my buying experience one of the best and he succeeded.

Add me to the list of successful importers!

[bionicbadger]

Total price with delivery
Total $55 273 CND

Total in Canada (assuming $2000 off MSRP) $70 790 CND


Nice. Congrats.
If I lived next to the border, I wouldn't worry so much about warranty either since you could easily go across to get service. Its a bit more difficult in Edmonton :lol:

[5136440]

Good for you. Congratulations!

Did you pay ontario TFFC (Tax for Fuel Conservation)? If you did, then at where? See the list:
http://www.rev.gov.on.ca/english/guides/tffc/2007.html#suv
2007 MDX $400. It is under SUV/Honda.



Sorry about the long post but I wanted to share my experience and hopefully help others. I live in Ottawa and although the process was not without some hassle, it was quite easy overall and I would do it again.



Add me to the list of successful importers!

[fatjoe]

If you want to buy a used car from a private party in the US, how do you get a Certificate of Orgin or Manufacturer's Certicate of Orgin (MCO) from the owner?

Thanks

[xcel]

I am trying to finalize a purchase of used 06 Honda from a small car dealer (not a honda dealer). My question is who can request a recall clearance from Honda. Does it has to be the dealer ? and how quickly honda gives the letter ?

Thanks.

[shopper-X]

I am trying to finalize a purchase of used 06 Honda from a small car dealer (not a honda dealer). My question is who can request a recall clearance from Honda. Does it has to be the dealer ? and how quickly honda gives the letter ?

Thanks.

You can.
See "consult the contact information list" (http://www.riv.ca/english/html/recall_clearance.html) at the bottom of the page.
Link (http://www.riv.ca/english/Recall_Contacts_on_RIV.pdf)

[xcel]

You can.
See "consult the contact information list" (http://www.riv.ca/english/html/recall_clearance.html) at the bottom of the page.
Link (http://www.riv.ca/english/Recall_Contacts_on_RIV.pdf)

I have already checked that.

Let me clarify my question. If I finalize deal, make some deposit, ask this dealer to fax me bill of sale and then Can I call honda to get the recall clearance faxed directly to me ??

[shopper-X]

I have already checked that.

Let me clarify my question. If I finalize deal, make some deposit, ask this dealer to fax me bill of sale and then Can I call honda to get the recall clearance faxed directly to me ??

If you have the VIN you can call them now.

[Somboa]

+1 to the list of successful stories here. :)

Just imported a brand new Subaru WRX Wagon (previous model, don't like the 08 models) from Karl from Van Bortel Subaru. Just got my plates 2 hours ago!

Process was painless and I would say the most problematic part was trying to convince my insurance (TD) to insure the car while I drove it back. They wanted a carproof (similar to a carfax) report which I had to pay $30 to get.

Other than that, Karl (Van Bortel) knew exactly what forms and papers had to be faxed to the border and even came and picked me up from Buffalo. All this and he even bought me a large Starbucks coffee. Lol.

Anyways, total savings was just under $10,000cdn and that includes the hotel bill, gas, food and the fact that the wife bought about $300 of clothes while we were in the states. Anyone thinking of a Subaru and is close to the Lewiston border, I have nothing but high praises for Van Bortel Subaru and Karl specifically.

My wife's lease on her RSX is coming up in 2 years. Assuming the dollar stays where it is, I'm 99.99% sure it's replacement will be a US car. :)

[flaming homer]

I have already checked that.

Let me clarify my question. If I finalize deal, make some deposit, ask this dealer to fax me bill of sale and then Can I call honda to get the recall clearance faxed directly to me ??

If you have the VIN you can call them now.

My Subaru dealer could not request a clearance letter from Subaru of America UNTIL I have officially paid for the car (via a bank draft). This was a moot point for me as the dealer clearance letter is sufficient for new cars.

[Boodie]

Is it worth buying a chev truck from the states?

I have a price of $26,250.00 USD vs $35,460 CDN for the same chev silverado truck?

[hhnyy]

For those of you waiting for more 2008's to appear on the RIV list, here is an email that I received this morning from Livingston International. (Livingston manages the RIV program for transport Canada):


Dear Mr. Bobsyouruncle


Thank you for your inquiry regarding 2008 vehicles.


Please note the list of admissible vehicles is constantly being updated and currently holds some 2008 information. For future year vehicles not currently listed, the importer must contact the manufacturer directly and request a letter stating this particular vehicle's admissibility into Canada. Once this letter has been obtained, please fax it in to us, at 416-626-0366. Upon receipt of this letter, we will forward it to Transport Canada, so they can update their information, if it has been accepted. Once this has been completed, we will be able to provide you with a letter allowing you to cross the border. We anticipate this being completd within the next two weeks.

Regards,
XXXXXXX
Importer Service Representative
Registrar of Imported Vehicles

I think this is what the dealer at Buffalo was trying to do to help me import the 2008 Altima Coupe that I want...I told him the car is not on RIV list and asked if he could do anything...he said might be able to do something about it and let me know...2 weeks later ...he finally told me that Nissan will not help him import the car... so still got to wait....

[oasis221]

Hi everyone,

I just successfully imported an 08 Toyota Sienna yesterday and am now off to get my plates. I would like to thank everyone for the information that has been posted. It saved me about $9000 :lol:

[michelb]

Nice. Congrats.
If I lived next to the border, I wouldn't worry so much about warranty either since you could easily go across to get service. Its a bit more difficult in Edmonton :lol:

I believe this has been posted before but from the Honda Online Warranty Booklet (Acura's is the same), the warranty on Hondas requires that the vehicle is registered and normally driven in the US or US possession:
The warranties in this booklet do not
cover: ... Any vehicle while it is registered
or normally driven outside the
United States, Puerto Rico, or the
U.S. Virgin Islands.

From that it appears that a US purchased Honda imported into Canada would NOT qualify for warranty repairs even if it's brought back to the US.

Interestingly enough, they also include:
The warranties in this booklet do not
cover: ... Any vehicle with an odometer that
has been altered so it is impossible
to determine the actual mileage.

Which could indicate that US vehicles modified to get the odo in kms, might void the warranty as well.

As many have agreed, if you save enough on the price, no warranty is not a huge issue but don't assume that you can return to the US for warranty service.

[shopper-X]

My Subaru dealer could not request a clearance letter from Subaru of America UNTIL I have officially paid for the car (via a bank draft). This was a moot point for me as the dealer clearance letter is sufficient for new cars.

My dealer requested the recall clearance letter in my name from the SOA well befored I even applied for my loan, no deposit either. The dealer then faxed me the letter and I got the original in the mail from SOA.
Mind you, "flaming homer" and I are talking about new, never titled vehicles, and "xcel" is talking about a used one.

xcel, I would call Honda and ask. You have nothing to lose and you'll have peace of mind on the recall end.

[michelb]

My dealer requested the recall clearance letter in my name from the SOA well befored I even applied for my loan, no deposit either. The dealer then faxed me the letter and I got the original in the mail from SOA.
Mind you, "flaming homer" and I are talking about new, never titled vehicles, and "xcel" is talking about a used one.

xcel, I would call Honda and ask. You have nothing to lose and you'll have peace of mind on the recall end.

I was able to get the recall clearance letter before I bought my used GM.

[Louist]

With Audi usa auditing all transactions on new cars....there is just no easy way to get a car without having it actually bought plated/registered, and resold...hence I am done with Audi. Selling no cars is better than 1 to me.

BMW,Mercedes, or Lexus is next in line.

[AllWheelDrift]

That sucks to hear about Audi USA as I was hoping to buy an A3 or A4 soon. Oh well, maybe I'll get a used one.

[diigii]

Congratulations to the new additions to our successful owners club, BigCheap and Somboa!!! Enjoy your new cars! :-0

[Miguel]

So has anyone put together a list of cars that offer big savings? I notice the H3 and X5 can be bought with big savings and little hassle since the are US built... anything else with 20%+ savings over their Canadian counterparts?

[diigii]

So has anyone put together a list of cars that offer big savings? I notice the H3 and X5 can be bought with big savings and little hassle since the are US built... anything else with 20%+ savings over their Canadian counterparts?

The list will be long, for sure. But the easiest factor to gauge if you will save a lot on your purchase, its cars that are priced higher than CAD$25,000 here in Canada. Compact cars will not offer you that much savings; you might even pay more if you buy them in the US. I saw this on a Versa sold in Maryland for US$15,861 for a fully loaded model. A similar Versa here in Canada is about CAD$17,398. Factor in the exchange rate (as of Sept 12, 5:25pm: CAD$1.0368), that brings the US pricing to CAD$16444.69. Add your time and hassle you have to go thru in finding and negotiating with a US dealer, the $954 difference is not worth it. Sales taxes, excise, duty (if any) and RIV fee are not included yet.

[shopper-X]

So has anyone put together a list of cars that offer big savings? I notice the H3 and X5 can be bought with big savings and little hassle since the are US built... anything else with 20%+ savings over their Canadian counterparts?

Here is a list done way back. Link (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5186542)
This is not of HUGE savings, but US built vehicles.

[GoKartRacer]

Hello everyone...

I have been a lurker here for a long long time, I thought it is finally time to register and start to share my share of stories, both good and horror...:|

Our family is looking to replace two of our cars after reading all 280 pages of this thread I can say that I am well equipped to know what to expect, I want to thank everyone for their help and contributions...

I can say that definately one of my new cars in the near future will be a Subaru from Karl @ Van Bortel..

But my beef is with Lexus USA. I have been trying for the past month to find a Lexus Dealer that will sell. I have found some that will sell but they MUST title the car in a state in the United States and that means collecting that state's sales tax. I have family in NJ so I would title in NJ, but I would have to pay the 7% tax though a dealer iN North Carolina for example.. What a pain..

I am looking to import a 07/08 Lexus ES 350 (brand new) with a few options and the savings after paying the NJ state tax is only around ~$2000 which is not worth it for all the hassle including driving the car back to Toronto (in my opionion). Sigh, well I am still trying to call dealers and see what can be done....

One thing I was thinking of was getting a mailing address or mail forwarding address in say Oregon (for 0% tax) but then they have to title it in Oregon and the law is a little shady cause Oregon might ask for proof of residence and this and that. It would be ideal if my family was there are not in NJ!!

So heres a toast to you Lexus Inc. you boneheads for making it soooo difficult for us Canadians!

[perfchris]

Hello everyone...

I have been a lurker here for a long long time, I thought it is finally time to register and start to share my share of stories, both good and horror...:|

Our family is looking to replace two of our cars after reading all 280 pages of this thread I can say that I am well equipped to know what to expect, I want to thank everyone for their help and contributions...

I can say that definately one of my new cars in the near future will be a Subaru from Karl @ Van Bortel..

But my beef is with Lexus USA. I have been trying for the past month to find a Lexus Dealer that will sell. I have found some that will sell but they MUST title the car in a state in the United States and that means collecting that state's sales tax. I have family in NJ so I would title in NJ, but I would have to pay the 7% tax though a dealer iN North Carolina for example.. What a pain..

I am looking to import a 07/08 Lexus ES 350 (brand new) with a few options and the savings after paying the NJ state tax is only around ~$2000 which is not worth it for all the hassle including driving the car back to Toronto (in my opionion). Sigh, well I am still trying to call dealers and see what can be done....

One thing I was thinking of was getting a mailing address or mail forwarding address in say Oregon (for 0% tax) but then they have to title it in Oregon and the law is a little shady cause Oregon might ask for proof of residence and this and that. It would be ideal if my family was there are not in NJ!!

So heres a toast to you Lexus Inc. you boneheads for making it soooo difficult for us Canadians!

Sales tax in NC is 3 % I believe. Also, why don't you buy in a state other than your family's address. You tell them you are titling in NJ. You pick up the car and cross the border. You do not pay sales tax because you are titling out of state.

Search Lexus and you will see some people have succeeded.....

[flaming homer]

Sales tax in NC is 3 % I believe. Also, why don't you buy in a state other than your family's address. You tell them you are titling in NJ. You pick up the car and cross the border. You do not pay sales tax because you are titling out of state.

Search Lexus and you will see some people have succeeded.....I've been trying without success, but the theory is sound. Buy it at a tax-free state and tell them you're registering in NJ...

[perfchris]

The list will be long, for sure. But the easiest factor to gauge if you will save a lot on your purchase, its cars that are priced higher than CAD$25,000 here in Canada. Compact cars will not offer you that much savings; you might even pay more if you buy them in the US. I saw this on a Versa sold in Maryland for US$15,861 for a fully loaded model. A similar Versa here in Canada is about CAD$17,398. Factor in the exchange rate (as of Sept 12, 5:25pm: CAD$1.0368), that brings the US pricing to CAD$16444.69. Add your time and hassle you have to go thru in finding and negotiating with a US dealer, the $954 difference is not worth it.

As a matter of fact the Versa is priced about 5000 dollars lower in the US.

My friend brought one in from the US

2007 Versa Hatchback SL ABS CVT 14500 USD out the door before sales tax and riv fees. Comes out to about 17000 all inclusive !
No duty to pay as vehicle is assembled in Mehico !

2007 Versa Hatchback SL CVT 22500 CDN price non negotiable.

[perfchris]

I've been trying without success, but the theory is sound. Buy it at a tax-free state and tell them you're registering in NJ...

It does not need to be a tax free state. It just needs to be another state than the address you are submitting. Just tell them that you will be titling it in NJ and paying sales tax there !

[thegradas]

Relatives of mine bought a fully loaded Versa in Canada for almost CAD25,000 OTD a few weeks ago though...



I saw this on a Versa sold in Maryland for US$15,861 for a fully loaded model. A similar Versa here in Canada is about CAD$17,398. Factor in the exchange rate (as of Sept 12, 5:25pm: CAD$1.0368), that brings the US pricing to CAD$16444.69. Add your time and hassle you have to go thru in finding and negotiating with a US dealer, the $954 difference is not worth it. Sales taxes, excise, duty (if any) and RIV fee are not included yet.

[perfchris]

Relatives of mine bought a fully loaded Versa in Canada for almost CAD25,000 OTD a few weeks ago though...

You can probably get that one for about 20000 out the door in the US.

That is still a 5000 dollar savings.....

[diigii]

As a matter of fact the Versa is priced about 5000 dollars lower in the US.

My friend brought one in from the US

2007 Versa Hatchback SL ABS CVT 14500 USD out the door before sales tax and riv fees. Comes out to about 17000 all inclusive !
No duty to pay as vehicle is assembled in Mehico !

2007 Versa Hatchback SL CVT 22500 CDN price non negotiable.

Okay, I might be wrong because I took the Canadian MSRP from Nissan Canada's website. The US price I found from my Maryland dealer's special pricing page of $13,803 plus the all the options that you can possibly get on the car. Here's the link below.

http://www.herbgordonspecials.com/Versa_2007/models/18SL.html

So for those looking for Nissan Versa, go to Maryland if you find the savings worth it.

Therefore, I correct myself and apologize for the error.

On a different note, I just received my Canadian compliance label from RIV from the mail. I can now attached the label to my side door jam. With that, I completed my import process and I won't have anything to worry about! SWEET!!! :cheesygri

[diigii]

Relatives of mine bought a fully loaded Versa in Canada for almost CAD25,000 OTD a few weeks ago though...I shudder seeing that CAD$ price when your relatives could've gotten similar car like mine, if size and engine practicality was not the issue. My car's converted value at the Customs was $25,552.20

[flaming homer]

It does not need to be a tax free state. It just needs to be another state than the address you are submitting. Just tell them that you will be titling it in NJ and paying sales tax there !I tried that in Western NY, no dice. Found out here about reciprical tax agreements between states, and NY/FL is one of them - I imagine NY/NJ is another.

[whampoa]

Relatives of mine bought a fully loaded Versa in Canada for almost CAD25,000 OTD a few weeks ago though...

And for CAD4,000.00 more OTD (i.e. taxes, fees, RIV and the whole enchilada), you can pickup a brand new 2007 Subaru Outback 4cyl LL Bean.

Shudder the thought of a subcompact Versa vs. all-wheel drive sport utility Outback.

[hammer]

I tried that in Western NY, no dice. Found out here about reciprical tax agreements between states, and NY/FL is one of them - I imagine NY/NJ is another.

Anyone have a list of reciprocal tax list of the states?

I am really thinking of a Subaru now...every Toyota dealer from New Hamshire to Michigan won't even consider selling to a canook. Why are they so anal retentive?...Can't they drive 10 meters and sell it to me used?

[dohmer]

I recently imported a BMW X3. Made the deal with a dealer in Illinois (Peoria). The sales manager there have no problem selling a car to me. I saved at least 14k when everything is said and done. To give you a perspective, I got a fully loaded vehicle (only option I didn't get is 19" wheels since I didn't want summer tires) and it cost me less than the base price here in canada. This is factoring freight and PDI as well. We need to send a strong message to the canadian divisions of these car maker. Change your price, or we go elsewhere.

[GoKartRacer]

It does not need to be a tax free state. It just needs to be another state than the address you are submitting. Just tell them that you will be titling it in NJ and paying sales tax there !


Wow, this forum is neat. Thanks for your response "Flaming Homer "and "perfchris" .

Couple things I would like to note.

First of all, no matther where I buy the car from (I have called so many dealers around the US) all of them tell me the EXACT same thing "we can NOT sell a car with an OPEN MSO". It is now Lexus Policy, blah blah blah..so basically they will charge me tax of whatever state I provide an address for. Therefore I buy a car in NC but give a NJ address I get charged NJ sales tax. I actually spoke with the General Sales Manager and he said they actually contract out a company to handle the titling of the car. The company will take my info to the NJ DMV and register the car there..

I have called other dealers in the south and said that I want to buy a car from you because im looking for a good deal on a 2007, basically make up some excuse. I dont tell them I am Canadian, but I then say well I reside in NJ and I will drive it back to my state and title it myself and they tell me that they will HAVE charge me NJ sales tax and title the car for me via courier as they can not sell an untitled car.

I am NOT 100% sure but I dont think it has anything to do with reciprocal tax agreements, I think it just has to do with the fact that Lexus will not sell a car with an open MSO and the car MUST be titled coming off the lot and that is forcing dealers to collect the sales tax and title it themselves.

[Lax5]

What binder? My ins. agent @ ING Novex (Ontario) issued the full coverage even before I take possession of the car.


The binder is for insurance coverage while driving in the US, if you are from BC, where we only have one choice for insurance.

[joe friday]

Interestingly enough, they also include:


Which could indicate that US vehicles modified to get the odo in kms, might void the warranty as well.



I don't think that's what is meant. I think it means that if there is evidence of tampering with the odometer, the warranty will be void, not if the odometer is changed from miles to kilometres. In the latter case, it's still possible to determine the car's mileage, just by doing a simple conversion.

[jadeboy]

Hi everyone,

I just successfully imported an 08 Toyota Sienna yesterday and am now off to get my plates. I would like to thank everyone for the information that has been posted. It saved me about $9000 :lol:


How? No 2008 Toyota/Lexus is on the RIV.CA list...

http://www.riv.ca/english/US_vehicle_admissibility.pdf

TOYOTA / LEXUS ALL 1992 TO 2007 PASSENGER

CAR MODELS EXCEPT THOSE
LISTED IN THE NEXT COLUMN
1992 COROLLA
1992 TO 1994 TERCEL/PASEO
2000 SC400/300
2000 TO 2005 MR2
2005 & 2006 SCION tC

[yyz2hkg]

How? No 2008 Toyota/Lexus is on the RIV.CA list...

http://www.riv.ca/english/US_vehicle_admissibility.pdf

TOYOTA / LEXUS ALL 1992 TO 2007 PASSENGER

CAR MODELS EXCEPT THOSE
LISTED IN THE NEXT COLUMN
1992 COROLLA
1992 TO 1994 TERCEL/PASEO
2000 SC400/300
2000 TO 2005 MR2
2005 & 2006 SCION tC

When I talked to Transport Canada, their response was: The Canadian "2008batch" that was manufactured in the US was manufactured based on the Canadian standards. Therefore the specs on this "2008 batch" were sent to Transport Canada thus allowing the dealerships to bring in the 2008's to sell to the Canadian market.

All other "2008 batches" that are manufactured to the US standards, the manufacturer has to send the specs to Transport Canada. There is not much you can do about it, even though both US and Canadian "batches" are manufactured from the same plant in the US.

Just gotta wait or go buy something else.

Well I have found the answers I was looking for. You can bring an inaddmissable car into Canada, but if it does not appear on the list in 45 days you are in big trouble as it needs to be inspected and plated by that time...could go as far as fines and jail if your riv process is not completed in time.



:arrowu:

I had the same question, apparently, it can be done.

[uncle_odb]

The Subaru purchase documents have arrived by UPS and the wife is signing them as we speak. At least there is a pre-paid return UPS sticker. The package includes a rather odd out-of-state delivery document attesting against all sorts of awful penalties for lying that the car has been delivered, to us in Vancouver, which it hasnt, so technically we cant sign it. And nowhere on all this stuff does it say this is exactly the model and colour we ordered - is that normal?

Also, on the phone the dealer (Eastside Subaru in Seattle) now claims to know nothing about faxing documents to the border, but the lady on the phone (the famous Zach is on hols sipping Margueritas in Mehico) rather vaguely said they will, but given the previous post, I am chasing that aggressively. There is also a major issue in getting the money to them - which I hope to solve tommorrow so more on that later. Zach is great, but I am sensing some rather negative vibes about the dealership at the present time - there is a bit too much going on trust for my liking - lets hope all goes well.

Now, more confusion on the insurance situation in BC I am afraid.

My ICBC insurance agent said that the wife (she the owner) can get a one-day "binder" for $77 to cover the car from Seattle. But she also said that immediately after crossing the border we had to get a one-day Temporary Operating Permit (TOP, $33) from the ICBC office that was open nearest to the border at the Blaine truck crossing where we have to cross (she didnt know where that was). This is the first I have heard of needing to get a TOP. She said they cant issue a TOP until the car is physically in Canada. We will need to get another one day TOP to get to Canadian Tire, but thats OK and I would glad to be at that stage right now. Its getring a bit nerve racking.


Hi Teep,

I hope you're dealing with Becca (Rebecca) while Zach is away enjoying the sun. For my purchase, it was all done via fax. Eastside Subaru faxed me a purchase order which shows the final price, the make, model, vin # and colour. It didn't show all the options / accessories that I was buying as well, but it was all there when I picked up my vehicle.

Yes, Becca helped me fax a copy of the Purchase order (bill of sale), the MSO and the Export Worksheet (required by the Blaine Truck Crossing). I don't know why they are giving you a hassle, Becca faxes this stuff to the Truck Crossing regularly. Strange.

Becca gave me a choice of sending a bank draft for the remaining balance or wiring the funds down. Their accounting department, for security reasons, made it a hassle to wire funds down. They refused to give me their bank account number, routing number, bank name and address for me to complete the wire. Instead, they wanted me to go to my bank, call them from there, and they will give the banking details to the Teller. When we were at the bank, they actually wanted a written document faxed on bank letter head requesting for their bank account information. This was a pain, but we eventually wired the funds down.

Yes I agree with the other poster, go to another insurance broker. I paid $90 for a 10 day insurance binder, not a 1 day.

[chadw01]

Potential drawback: Warranty not valid in Canada. US dealer will happily service under warranty. Myself, my wife and all the others we polled confirmed that they had not had any warranty work done for their current new car. Since Acura has a very high build quality, we did not consider the lack of Canadian warranty a serious issue.

There seems to be a fair amount of unintentional misinformation in this thread. I would suggest that you do your own research to confirm these steps. We had no problem using the temporary plates while driving in Ontario and we have seen other importers drive by with the same type of plate. Also new cars do not require a safety or drive clean check. Finally, my insurance company (Wawanesa) covered me once I explained that I was aware of the rules for Ontario insurers and that I would switch if they would not cover me.

If you would like to purchase a new Acura, Audi or Volkswagon and you live relatively close to Burlington Vermont, please contact John Kimel at acurajohn@hotmail.com or 802-343-2666. His goal was to make my buying experience one of the best and he succeeded.

Add me to the list of successful importers!

Congrats on the purchase, however I think you're rolling the dice when importing any vehicle that does not come with at least a base warranty that is transferrable to Canada..

It's been mentioned on this thread a number of times that Honda/Acura do not honour their warranties in Canada for US-imports.

But it seems like you already knew this going in - just hope it works out for you.

Thanks for the info on the dealer in Vermont!

[chadw01]

Hi everyone,

I just successfully imported an 08 Toyota Sienna yesterday and am now off to get my plates. I would like to thank everyone for the information that has been posted. It saved me about $9000 :lol:

An East coast Toyota dealer? If so, and you don't mind disclosing, which state/dealer sold it to you?

[hammer]

=Originally Posted by oasis221
Hi everyone,

I just successfully imported an 08 Toyota Sienna yesterday and am now off to get my plates. I would like to thank everyone for the information that has been posted. It saved me about $9000 ?


Well, you can really thank us by telling us the nitty gritty details.:|

[Comatose]

SUV's, minivans, vans, etc fall under a category in section 5, which appear to be exempt from all the stringent regulations around regular passenger vehicles. Why? I have no idea.. but someone feel free to call transport canada and inquire :)

How? No 2008 Toyota/Lexus is on the RIV.CA list...

http://www.riv.ca/english/US_vehicle_admissibility.pdf

TOYOTA / LEXUS ALL 1992 TO 2007 PASSENGER

CAR MODELS EXCEPT THOSE
LISTED IN THE NEXT COLUMN
1992 COROLLA
1992 TO 1994 TERCEL/PASEO
2000 SC400/300
2000 TO 2005 MR2
2005 & 2006 SCION tC

[oasis221]

An East coast Toyota dealer? If so, and you don't mind disclosing, which state/dealer sold it to you?

I had to drive all the way to Dover, Delaware in order to find a dealership that would sell to me. The salesperson was Adam Brocato and he knows the process and all the info you require. Tell him Ed sent you.

C.F. Schwartz
Adam Brocato
1-800-441-8022

[johnsa]

I had to drive all the way to Dover, Delaware in order to find a dealership that would sell to me. The salesperson was Adam Brocato and he knows the process and all the info you require. Tell him Ed sent you.

C.F. Schwartz
Adam Brocato
1-800-441-8022

Do you know approximately how much of a discount from the U.S. MSRP he gave you and if the rebates were applied?

I am looking for a new Tundra...I have sent an e-mail off to them..

[thegradas]

Yes, I totally agree with you guys... if you're smart, you can buy a loaded midsize car from the US for the money you pay in Canada for a loaded subcompact... right now 1 USD = 1.03244 CAD on XE trade... wow!
Can't wait for the new diesels to come...



And for CAD4,000.00 more OTD (i.e. taxes, fees, RIV and the whole enchilada), you can pickup a brand new 2007 Subaru Outback 4cyl LL Bean.

Shudder the thought of a subcompact Versa vs. all-wheel drive sport utility Outback.

-----------
Diigii:
I shudder seeing that CAD$ price when your relatives could've gotten similar car like mine, if size and engine practicality was not the issue. My car's converted value at the Customs was $25,552.20
__________________
Another happy RFD importer! 2007 Nissan Altima 3.5 SE "Yup! It's that good!"

[hqguy]

Me and half dozen people have the same issues with MTO not issuing temporary / trip permit.

My sense is Monsieur got really lucky or that particular clerk have no idea what he/she is doing.

Anyhow, I manage to import my Subie without any issued, so I guess no one ever bother with the permit.


After many phonecalls, reading on the web etc., as posted earlier in this thread I ended up just making two trips: one to pay for and obtain the title, then with title in hand I could get the MTO permit and proceed to go and get my vehicle. An extra $50 in gas plus 7hrs of my time for the trip there and back - a drop in the bucket vs. the money I saved vs. buying here in Canada.

As noted, with NY state the temp permit is NOT valid in Ontario/Canada. The only legal option you have is two trips (or if you can find an MTO office who will give you the permit sans title) or ship it.

[scouzi]

After many phonecalls, reading on the web etc., as posted earlier in this thread I ended up just making two trips: one to pay for and obtain the title, then with title in hand I could get the MTO permit and proceed to go and get my vehicle. An extra $50 in gas plus 7hrs of my time for the trip there and back - a drop in the bucket vs. the money I saved vs. buying here in Canada.

As noted, with NY state the temp permit is NOT valid in Ontario/Canada. The only legal option you have is two trips (or if you can find an MTO office who will give you the permit sans title) or ship it.

But the SAAQ in Quebec says that a NY state permit IS valid in Quebec for importation (I called when I was researching).

So who says that NY state the temp permit is NOT valid in Canada?

[LD500]

We need to send a strong message to the canadian divisions of these car maker. Change your price, or we go elsewhere.

Didn't our Finance Minister say recently that corporations need to pass along the savings to Canadians due to the escalating dollar otherwise he would look at taking action?

Automobile pricing is the perfect example to show action should be taken. Often it's the same car, with the same options, coming out the of same factory, but priced 10-20% higher in Canada while the exchange is only 4-5% higher. I'm sure automobile manufacturers will argue the smaller sized Canadian market, different taxes and regulations, but there's no way it should make that large a difference. Why would the price difference percentagewise be about the same today as it was before the Canadian dollar made a big move upwards.

No sense writing to Toyota, Honda, BMW, Subaru and others. They will hold out as long as they can. We should write to Jim Flaherty and CC the manufacturers.

[bionicbadger]

Didn't our Finance Minister say recently that corporations need to pass along the savings to Canadians due to the escalating dollar otherwise he would look at taking action?

No sense writing to Toyota, Honda, BMW, Subaru and others. They will hold out as long as they can. We should write to Jim Flaherty and CC the manufacturers.

Why should the government have any say in what prices retailers want to charge for items? There are plenty of cars to choose from, its not a monopoly where consumers are forced to buy high priced cars. Having the government legislate a price is wrong. Consumers vote with their dollars and if they want to keep buying cars at inflated prices, the dealers would be stupid to lower the prices.

[buyingtoyota]

Hi everyone,

I just successfully imported an 08 Toyota Sienna yesterday and am now off to get my plates. I would like to thank everyone for the information that has been posted. It saved me about $9000 :lol:

Congrats! I am thinking of importing a sienna as well. COuld you please tell me what model and options you got and how much? How are you going to get the warranty transfered? Thanks!

[flaming homer]

As noted, with NY state the temp permit is NOT valid in Ontario/Canada. The only legal option you have is two trips (or if you can find an MTO office who will give you the permit sans title) or ship it.Someone here wrote that they were stopped 4 times with a Temporary NY plate, in every case it was because the cops couldn't see it, they let him/her go without issues every time, so I don't think that it is a definitive statement to say that they're not valid in Ontario/Canada.

With Monsiourmaggot it wasn't a road/legal requirement, rather his insurance company demanded that it has Ontario plates of some sort. Most others here whom has purchased from the US did not have such requirement from their own insurnace company.

[whampoa]

But the SAAQ in Quebec says that a NY state permit IS valid in Quebec for importation (I called when I was researching).

So who says that NY state the temp permit is NOT valid in Canada?

Nobody, he just made it up.

I dare him to find the organization, person or thing that said a temporary NY permit is not valid in Ontario, or anywhere else in Canada. As a temporary permit, for a certain period of time, before registering the vehicle .

And be that a lesson to you all, I've notice alot tall tale, misinterpretation and sheer ignorance about the importation process in some posting. I suggest any potential buyer to do their own research and ask questions. Or else you'll make the same mistake of taking two trips to the border.

[dlseeker]

Hello everyone. I would like to be counted as one more successful importer thanks in good part to this forum.

Aprox. 6 weeks ago I bought a new 2008 Subaru Legacy LTD from Nothtown Subaru in Buffalo drove it back and sved close to 14K.

Here are a few tidbits from my experiece:
-the New York transit permit is perfectly valid in Ontario you do not need an Ontario permit, I drove with mine for nearly two weeks
-you do not need either a safety or emmisions tests for a new car despite what everyone says ( specialy Canadian Tire)
-your insurance company is going to make it dificult to get a binder, just talk to someone else within the company and eventualy they will come around, otherwise threaten to go to another company

Finnaly tell everyone you know how straight forward it is to import and how much you can save and eventualy the distributors will lower the prices in Canada.

[yyz2hkg]

I'm neither a broker or a dealer. I'm located in Ontario and have some business connections with a Toyota dealer in the US that ables me to export them to Canada. I can give you a price on a US vehicle, which will be thousands less than what you'd pay up here - the whole point of this thread, I guess.

I do make money off of every car I import, however, at the end of the day its still far less than what you would pay in Canada. If you're interested, shoot me a pm or an email to TundraImports@gmail.com . As you can see by my email name, I usually only bring Toyota Tundra's across - and that is where you'd see the most savings, but I am able to deal with all new Toyota's.

Obviously the huge advantage to you is the savings you'll see, and you won't have to make the trip to the US to pick the vehicle up. Let me know if you're interested!

Do you know approximately how much of a discount from the U.S. MSRP he gave you and if the rebates were applied?

I am looking for a new Tundra...I have sent an e-mail off to them..


Johnsa, take a look at the post above...I noticed he does Tundra's.

[yyz2hkg]

Hello everyone. I would like to be counted as one more successful importer thanks in good part to this forum.

Aprox. 6 weeks ago I bought a new 2008 Subaru Legacy LTD from Nothtown Subaru in Buffalo drove it back and sved close to 14K.

Here are a few tidbits from my experiece:
-the New York transit permit is perfectly valid in Ontario you do not need an Ontario permit, I drove with mine for nearly two weeks
-you do not need either a safety or emmisions tests for a new car despite what everyone says ( specialy Canadian Tire)
-your insurance company is going to make it dificult to get a binder, just talk to someone else within the company and eventualy they will come around, otherwise threaten to go to another company

Finnaly tell everyone you know how straight forward it is to import and how much you can save and eventualy the distributors will lower the prices in Canada.

Did you deal with John Betley? John and Northtown did all the paperwork...smooth and easy.

[Rocketo]

ughhh mini convertible S price is only 25k :( such a big difference and the lexus IS starts at 30k

[summerman]

Bought a car already, the dealer was telling me that NY DMV is asking for the insurance binder for applying the 30-day transit permit, they don't accept my Temporary Motor Vehicle Liability Insurance Card, anybody encountered this? on line waiting...

[fatjoe]

I want to buy a used vehicle in the US from a private party, what kind of documentation I need from the seller for US Customs?

Thanks

[johnsa]

Johnsa, take a look at the post above...I noticed he does Tundra's.


Yeah..he previously PM'ed me and offered me for a grand savings of 3-4k Cdn...42k Cdn truck I have seen on many websites for 27K US.....

Not sure what his thing is .....if he is a dealer or not...he says he is not....whatever.

[dlseeker]

Did you deal with John Betley? John and Northtown did all the paperwork...smooth and easy.

Actualy I dealt with Bob Hinckley, who was getting tips on the process from one of his coleagues (maybe John). I agree with you they made the process smooth and easy. You will probably save a bit more by buying from Van Bortel, but they are much farther out if you are from southern Ontario.

[yyz2hkg]

Yeah..he previously PM'ed me and offered me for a grand savings of 3-4k Cdn...42k Cdn truck I have seen on many websites for 27K US.....

Not sure what his deal is if he is not a dealer....whatever.

Ouch...didn't know that...dealer...disregard.

[yyz2hkg]

I want to buy a used vehicle in the US from a private party, what kind of documentation I need from the seller for US Customs?

Thanks

Vehicles issued an original certificate of title. For used, self-propelled vehicles issued, by any jurisdiction in the United States, a Certificate of Title (See Attachment A) or a Salvage Title that remains in force, the owner must provide to Customs the original Certificate of Title or a Certified Copy of the Certificate of Title and two complete copies of the original Certificate of Title or the Certified Copy of the original.
(ii) Where title evidences third-party ownership/claims. If the used, self-propelled vehicle is leased or a recorded lien exists in the U.S., in addition to complying with paragraph (b)(1)(i) of this section, the provisional owner must provide to Customs a separate writing from the third-party-in interest which expressly provides that the subject vehicle may be exported. This writing must be on the third-party’s letterhead paper and contain a complete description of the vehicle including the Vehicle Identification Number (VIN), the name of the owner or lienholder of the leased vehicle, and the telephone numbers at which that owner or lienholder may be contacted and must bear an original signature of the third-party and state the date it was signed.

[summerman]

up

Bought a car already, the dealer was telling me that NY DMV is asking for the insurance binder for applying the 30-day transit permit, they don't accept my Temporary Motor Vehicle Liability Insurance Card, anybody encountered this? on line waiting...

[Monsieurmaggot]

Bought a car already, the dealer was telling me that NY DMV is asking for the insurance binder for applying the 30-day transit permit, they don't accept my Temporary Motor Vehicle Liability Insurance Card, anybody encountered this? on line waiting...

I can confirm that was a requirement for me (and anyone else who buys in NY State).

It's not as ominous as it sounds. It's really a letter for the NY DMV office. Nothing too difficult to acquire.

I got my broker to (on State Farm letterhead) to state:

My name
Vehicle Brand, Model and Trim
VIN

Is covered under policy # effective on date...

If they had any questions, to contact the brokers office (which included his office information).

That's all that was required before the dealer would release the car to me.

I faxed a copy to them (in order to get the temporary plate) and provided them the original when I paid for the car.

Very easy.

[diigii]

Nobody, he just made it up.

I dare him to find the organization, person or thing that said a temporary NY permit is not valid in Ontario, or anywhere else in Canada. As a temporary permit, for a certain period of time, before registering the vehicle .

And be that a lesson to you all, I've notice alot tall tale, misinterpretation and sheer ignorance about the importation process in some posting. I suggest any potential buyer to do their own research and ask questions. Or else you'll make the same mistake of taking two trips to the border.

In my case, before I left for Maryland, I went to the MTO branch and personally inquired to one of the service reps after I renewed the registration on my old car. I told her I am going to the US the following week to pick up a new car I just bought. I asked if I would ever need a temporary ON permit. She said "No, you don't need one. Which state are you getting your car from? Did you get a temp permit from that state?" I replied Maryland and yes I did get a temp tag. She continued "then you don't need an Ontario permit. The Maryland temp tag is valid. As long as you have documents with you, you will be okay."

As for the insurance binder, when I called my insurance provider I explained to him what my intention was: that I was going to the US and pick up a newly bought car from Maryland and that I need to get a temporary coverage on it by getting the pink insurance card. This chap was clueless and told me that I cannot import it, and that my insurance provider will not provide temporary coverage because the car is in the US and it's against their policy. I asked "who's policy is it?" He said it's AVIVA's policy. I corrected him that under Ontario's Automobile Policy, I am entitled to 14 days temp coverage for a newly acquired car and it doesn't limit me where I'm getting the car. Long story short, he didn't provide me with temp coverage. He even dared and insulted me by saying that I can go look for an insurance company whose willing to provide temp coverage. In his own words, "Be my guest."

Well, let me tell you all that he was reprimanded yesterday because I called my insurance provider to cancel my auto and home policy with them. This nice lady inquired why I am cancelling all policies. So I told her the whole story. Right off the bat, she told me "he should have provided you with 14 temp coverage with no questions asked. I will have a meeting to inform all the advisors to let them know not to let this happen again. And I will personally talk to **** to let him know that he erred on this. I apologize for this misinformation and I am sad that you had to take your business elsewhere."

I'm still pissed actually. But State Farm came to my rescue and I'm staying with them now.

My advise to all potential importers: Know the import process by reading the RIV process. Know what documents are needed. The 3 most important documents that you need are the bill of sale, certificate of title (COT) or Manufacturer's Statement of Origin (MSO) and manufacturer's recall clearance letter (that may come from the manufacturer's head office or typewritten by the dealer on their letterhead with the manufacturer logo).

Most of the successful importers here, myself included, did not get an Ontario temporary permit. If not sure about it, call the MTO or visit an MTO branch. In my case, I drove with my Maryland temp tag for 5 days and there were three instances when TO police cruisers were behind me and looked at me when they passed me, but they never stopped me. I even asked my State Farm agent if I will need a temporary ON permit. She didn't ask me to get one if I have a temporary tag from the state I'm buying from.

This is my experience so that is what I can advise. I may have been lucky not to have been required an ON temp permit or stopped by TO cops. But it is what I experienced.

[blomidon]

Anyone with an opinion on how the new Canadian regulations regarding all new cars sold i Canada being required to have anti theft imobilizer keys? Will we have to have US cars retro fitted with these devices before we can import them?

[bionicbadger]

Anyone with an opinion on how the new Canadian regulations regarding all new cars sold i Canada being required to have anti theft imobilizer keys? Will we have to have US cars retro fitted with these devices before we can import them?

Look on the RIV list, the regulation is for cars manufactured after september 1 2008. Cars like subaru forester base models are off the list starting then because they have no immobilizer....

[diigii]

CORRECTION: It is September 1, 2007

One less inconsistent info and confusion on other people.


Look on the RIV list, the regulation is for cars manufactured after september 1 2008. Cars like subaru forester base models are off the list starting then because they have no immobilizer....

[diigii]

Anyone with an opinion on how the new Canadian regulations regarding all new cars sold i Canada being required to have anti theft imobilizer keys? Will we have to have US cars retro fitted with these devices before we can import them?

If the vehicle you are planning to buy was manufactured BEFORE September 1, 2007, then you don't have to have an immobilizer installed. But if the vehicle is manufactured after that date, then you have to retrofit the car with an immobilizer system before it will pass the federal inspection.

[longdong]

What do you guys think ? I checked the used car price in US and the used car price in Montreal , they are almost the same ... around thousant dollar different.

[michelb]

Look on the RIV list, the regulation is for cars manufactured after september 1 2008. Cars like subaru forester base models are off the list starting then because they have no immobilizer....

If the vehicle you are planning to buy was manufactured BEFORE September 1, 2007, then you don't have to have an immobilizer installed. But if the vehicle is manufactured after that date, then you have to retrofit the car with an immobilizer system before it will pass the federal inspection.

I suspect that there's more than just the immobilizer for the Subaru Forester. If it was just the immobilizer, could you just add an aftermarket one? But RIV lists the Forester as 'non eligible' (not eligible with modifications like a bunch of other cars).

[crasher]

Even I did not need one. I bought a "club" brand electronic immobilizer from Princess Auto for only $1. I thought the lock and relay in it is probably more. :D

[Louist]

If you would like to purchase a new Acura, Audi or Volkswagon and you live relatively close to Burlington Vermont, please contact John Kimel at acurajohn@hotmail.com or 802-343-2666. His goal was to make my buying experience one of the best and he succeeded.

Add me to the list of successful importers!

Things have changed. John shut my Audi A3 purchase down hard and fast. Audi corperate is auditing sales and if it is not plated in the usa...it is not gonna jive with Audi corporate. Car must be sold as USED.

I had 7 dealers all say no in the last 3 days. However I have heard wind of BMW canadian pricing being lowered....so Audi told me that they will follow suit to keep the competitive edge. I expect 2009s to be 8% less. Have to wait and see.

[zonie]

Toyota attacks imports to Canada from the US (http://www.toyota.ca/cgi-bin/WebObjects/WWW.woa/20/wo/Home.WhatsNew-menR7u8hyYCebSgxLjW5ag/0.9?fmg%2fnew%2fticker%5fn306313e%2ehtml)

[ziploc]

Toyota attacks imports to Canada from the US (http://www.toyota.ca/cgi-bin/WebObjects/WWW.woa/20/wo/Home.WhatsNew-menR7u8hyYCebSgxLjW5ag/0.9?fmg%2fnew%2fticker%5fn306313e%2ehtml)

TOYOTA CANADA instead of trying to justify yourself and the price differences....just lower your prices.....
don't take us for idiots.....

the reasons explained in that letter...may justify a small price difference not tens of thousands of $$$$........



the best one: 4 season tires.....make me laugh....if you want to speak safety you know that in our climat you require winter tires...

[diigii]

Toyota attacks imports to Canada from the US (http://www.toyota.ca/cgi-bin/WebObjects/WWW.woa/20/wo/Home.WhatsNew-menR7u8hyYCebSgxLjW5ag/0.9?fmg%2fnew%2fticker%5fn306313e%2ehtml)

How hypocrite of Toyota Canada!!! I was told by this proprietor/operator of Rust Check where I got my car rust-proofed last week that a Toyota dealership north of Toronto sells Scion xB cars imported from the US. And now they're releasing this press release about how a Canada-spec car is the best for Canadian consumers??? It's laughable that Toyota Canada counts the outside temp gauge as one reason to buy here in Canada. Every Canadian living here in Canada knows what temp it is during the winter season. It's freezing!!!! What more do we need to know from that gauge?

[joe friday]

Why should the government have any say in what prices retailers want to charge for items? There are plenty of cars to choose from, its not a monopoly where consumers are forced to buy high priced cars. Having the government legislate a price is wrong. Consumers vote with their dollars and if they want to keep buying cars at inflated prices, the dealers would be stupid to lower the prices.

I agree that the government should not get involved in setting prices, but it should get involved in ensuring that Canadians have the ability to "vote with their dollars". The tactics that some of these companies are employing go against the very nature of free trade ( a Tory policy by the way Mr. Flaherty) and there is plenty that the government could be doing to ensure that such practices are stopped. Once Canadian dollars start flooding south and Canadian car sales dry up, market forces would prevail. I doubt that will ever happen because most people won't buy from the US if they can't get a warranty, or have to pay taxes in both countries, or can't buy the vehicle they want etc. Which, of course, is exactly want companies like Toyota and some others want to happen.

[joe friday]

Toyota attacks imports to Canada from the US (http://www.toyota.ca/cgi-bin/WebObjects/WWW.woa/20/wo/Home.WhatsNew-menR7u8hyYCebSgxLjW5ag/0.9?fmg%2fnew%2fticker%5fn306313e%2ehtml)

Do you think maybe they are starting to feel the heat? ;)

Approval for articles like that to be released would typically require discussion at pretty senior levels within the company I would think.

[diigii]

Do you think maybe they are starting to feel the heat? ;)

Approval for articles like that to be released would typically require discussion at pretty senior levels within the company I would think.

Yup, you're right. They're feeling the heat. The floodgates have opened. Word of mouth gets around of the significant savings from buying in the US. There's no stopping that now.

[scouzi]

Toyota attacks imports to Canada from the US (http://www.toyota.ca/cgi-bin/WebObjects/WWW.woa/20/wo/Home.WhatsNew-menR7u8hyYCebSgxLjW5ag/0.9?fmg%2fnew%2fticker%5fn306313e%2ehtml)


So what's this link for? I only see a main page.

[diigii]

So what's this link for? I only see a main page.

They might have taken down the article. Luckily, I had another tab opened where I was viewing it awhile ago. Here is the whole article.



MAKE THINGS BETTER: WHY A MADE-FOR-CANADA TOYOTA IS MORE THAN JUST A GREAT VEHICLE

Toyota may be one of the largest automakers in the world, but we achieved this success one customer at a time. That's why when you purchase or lease a made-for-Canada Toyota car or truck you get more than a great vehicle. You also enjoy the services and support that only Toyota Canada and your Toyota Dealer can provide, to make your ownership experience the best that it can be.

There are many advantages in purchasing or leasing a made-for-Canada Toyota from an authorized Toyota Dealer. Here are a few.

Canadian vehicle specifications

When Toyota Canada considers equipment on Toyota vehicles for the Canadian market, we select certain options and features, on a model-by-model basis, that we believe are best suited for Canada's challenging climatic and driving conditions. These may differ from equipment and options selected for vehicles distributed and sold in the U.S. market.

Customers might believe that the only real difference between Canadian and US vehicles relates to vehicle gauges (which are metric in Canada and imperial in the United States). Depending on model, however, made-for-Canada Toyota vehicles may include any of the following features:

* Heavy-duty heaters, batteries, alternators, and starters;
* High capacity window washer fluid reservoirs;
* More robust weather stripping and seals;
* Added paint chip protection;
* Mudguards;
* All-season tires;
* An outside temperature gauge;
* Heated mirrors;
* Towing packages.

A streamlined purchasing or leasing process

Only Made-for-Canada Toyota vehicles are eligible for new vehicle promotions, programs, and incentives offered by Toyota Financial Services in Canada, including:

* Financing and leasing programs;
* Lease Renewal;
* Multiple Security Deposits.

In addition, only Made-for-Canada Toyota vehicles may qualify for other financial incentives or programs offered by Toyota Canada, including:

* The Toyota Canada Graduate Program;
* Toyota Canada Fleet Elite Incentives.

Tax/government considerations

Only Made-for-Canada Toyota vehicles may be eligible for certain incentives provided by the Canadian federal and/or certain provincial governments. These include:

* The federal eco-Auto rebate for fuel efficient vehicles;
* Provincial sales tax breaks and rebates for hybrid vehicles and other fuel efficient vehicles.

Vehicles purchased in the United States may not qualify for the above-mentioned "green" incentives AND the purchaser of a US vehicle may still be required to pay the following, in addition to any state taxes or charges imposed on the US purchase:

* Excise tax on fuel inefficient vehicles;
* GST and provincial sales tax;
* Import duties;
* Any costs to modify or retrofit a U.S. vehicle to ensure it complies with Canadian regulations, including, for instance, the installation of daytime running lights; and the installation of an enhanced vehicle immobilization system.

Peace of mind benefits

Purchasing or leasing a made-for-Canada Toyota vehicle includes peace of mind:

* Toyota Canada Inc. provides vehicle owners with Toyota Roadside Assistance (24-hour, every day of the year) for three years.

Warranty/servicing benefits

Canadian Toyota Dealers will honour the new vehicle warranty as provided on vehicles sold in the U.S.A. However, made-for-Canada Toyota vehicles may enjoy certain warranty and servicing benefits not necessarily available in the US. These include:

* Special warranty policy adjustments and extensions from Toyota Canada Inc. that are specific to made-for-Canada vehicles and which may include no-cost or reduced-cost replacements of components to ensure owner satisfaction;
* A streamlined warranty process: When a Canadian Dealer works on a vehicle covered by a U.S. warranty, it may take longer to confirm coverage, secure approvals and process the repairs;
* Access to Replacement Part and Components: Toyota Canada only stocks replacement parts and components for Canadian-specified vehicles so that repairs can be completed in a timely manner. Toyota vehicles distributed in the U.S. may have equipment or components unique to the US market which may require additional lead time to secure replacement parts resulting in additional time to carry out any necessary repairs or servicing;
* Toyota Canada Inc. offers optional extended coverage for servicing and repairs. This coverage cannot be purchased for vehicles sold in the United States;
* Special Service Campaigns: Owners of Toyota vehicles purchased in the United States may not receive timely notification of safety-related service campaigns. In addition, where a safety recall is specific to a US vehicle, a Canadian dealer may not be able to carry out any necessary repairs quickly if replacement parts are not readily available in Canada. Securing replacement parts from US sources may require additional lead time resulting in delays in carrying out any necessary repairs or servicing.

A trusted relationship

Buying or leasing a made-for-Canada Toyota establishes a trusted relationship that will last throughout the ownership cycle:

* Customers gain access to Canadian Toyota Dealers' expertise on made-for-Canada vehicle specifications;
* Customers benefit from Canadian Toyota Dealers' knowledge of Canadian support and service programs;
* Customers are automatically enrolled in Club Toyota for online tracking of a vehicle's service history, customer financial information and warranty information.

[yyz2hkg]

They might have taken down the article. Luckily, I had another tab opened where I was viewing it awhile ago. Here is the whole article.

Try this LINK (http://www.toyota.ca/cgi-bin/WebObjects/WWW.woa/20/wo/Home.WhatsNew.LatestNews-dIdVWrJCMK0iXwDHuJ8kKg/3.7?n306313e%2ehtml). I think they just moved it. How different are the vehicles, if they come from the same plant? Aren't towing packages options, and fluid reservoirs the same plastics...? Strange...

[impronto]

Warranty/servicing benefits

Canadian Toyota Dealers will honour the new vehicle warranty as provided on vehicles sold in the U.S.A. However, made-for-Canada Toyota vehicles may enjoy certain warranty and servicing benefits not necessarily available in the US. These include:


wait, so Toyota's US warranty is applicable in Canada (other than some stipulations)?

[HighFlyer]

wait, so Toyota's US warranty is applicable in Canada (other than some stipulations)?

Yeah, that's what I read too. So this makes it official?

[diigii]

It's just do disgusting to hear some companies try to spin things and expect Canadians to be fools in accepting their pleas when it's well-known that they treat the Canadian market as an after-thought to the US market.

[diigii]

wait, so Toyota's US warranty is applicable in Canada (other than some stipulations)?

Maybe the reason for this press release is that Toyota USA cannot stop its US dealers from selling to Canadians? And that their dealers are going against the do-not-sell-new-to-Canadians order??

Maybe the people in this forum who imported a US-spec Toyota should print a copy of this press release by Toyota so they have some written guarantee by Toyota Canada they will honor the US warranty of their car.

[drayog]

just by reading this statement by Toyota Canada, makes me buy from the US. Something so idiotic as they way it was put, should make Canadian buyers flock to the US even more to purchase their Toyota.

[HighFlyer]

Going to pick up my Subaru tomorrow. I know I have to get to the US CBP office before 4PM as it closes, is there any such time restriction at the CBSA Queenston Lewiston? Or is it pretty much 24 hrs? We want to do some shopping.

[flaming homer]

Going to pick up my Subaru tomorrow. I know I have to get to the US CBP office before 4PM as it closes, is there any such time restriction at the CBSA Queenston Lewiston? Or is it pretty much 24 hrs? We want to do some shopping.Revenue Canada will take your money 24x7x365 at all border crossings...But probably only the Queenston-Lewiston bridge in WNY is familiar with auto taxation and the RIV procedure.

[Vitulla]

i imported my car last week. I just noticed I paid the ac tax, my car doesnt have ac. anyway to get that money back? long story short, i didnt pay attention to the fee's, border lady was trying to forbid me importing the car...

[MVP1]

Can someone please post the summary for the GVA?

Also does Ford recognize warranty if you bring one across?

[fugazi11]

In regards to warranty, do you think this would be valid for Lexus as well? Now finding a Lexus dealer that is willing to sell to Canadians is a different story.

[DSTU]

Can anyone who has gone through the process scan and post their MSO, COT, Recall Letter, etc. With any private info blocked out of course.

I think this would help people understand what these documents are.

[diigii]

Can anyone who has gone through the process scan and post their MSO, COT, Recall Letter, etc. With any private info blocked out of course.

I think this would help people understand what these documents are.

I will gladly post my copies when I get home later.

[Kamloops]

i imported my car last week. I just noticed I paid the ac tax, my car doesnt have ac. anyway to get that money back? long story short, i didnt pay attention to the fee's, border lady was trying to forbid me importing the car...

Just call them I am sure they have a form to request it back. What did the border lady do?

[x49167]

can anyone shed light on the RIV list for 2008 Toyota/Lexus admissable vehicles?

I've called RIV twice.

The first lady, an older one, explains to me that list for 2008 is currently being updated. She sort of opened up a case file for me and asked for my name and vehicle I am looking at. Basically she said that in most cases the vehicle I am looking at would be admissable and that I can open up a case and they would be able to look at the approval as a single case.

However, the second time I called, a younger lady answered.. sounded like a student. She told me that if the vehicle is not on the list, it is not admissable.

Seems like different answers to different people I talk to. If its the issue about engine immobilizer.. the vehicle I am looking already has one

Any thoughts?

[jadeboy]

can anyone shed light on the RIV list for 2008 Toyota/Lexus admissable vehicles?

I've called RIV twice.

The first lady, an older one, explains to me that list for 2008 is currently being updated. She sort of opened up a case file for me and asked for my name and vehicle I am looking at. Basically she said that in most cases the vehicle I am looking at would be admissable and that I can open up a case and they would be able to look at the approval as a single case.

However, the second time I called, a younger lady answered.. sounded like a student. She told me that if the vehicle is not on the list, it is not admissable.

Seems like different answers to different people I talk to. If its the issue about engine immobilizer.. the vehicle I am looking already has one

Any thoughts?

Please update to with all the results. I am very interested in this because I am planning to import an 2008 Lexus IS 350 from the US.

[x49167]

i'm looking at the IS250 AWD

getting it in FL

[yayaya]

I'm just getting ready to go to Iowa to pick up my 2007 Chevy Trailblazer LT with 8,000 miles on it.

Of course also trying to get all my documentation and forms in order.

Do I need an MCO (manufacturer's certificate of origin) if I am importing a used vehicle?

If so, who would have that document........the dealer? How hard is it to obtain?

Thanks, Ron.

[WHO]

Do you guys think we could attract enough attention if we start a www.petitiononline.com ?

I mean, on this forum alone, we got about say 200 "votes" in the original poll, and there's people from all over the country (BC, AB, ONT, QC, etc). So not only would WE sign the petition, but we could each pitch in to let our local media, internet BLOGS, forums, etc know and spread the word.

A petition would ask for:
A) price adjustments that REALLY reflect the dollar value and
B) Manufacturers should honor US warranties/service bulletins/recalls in Canada
C) For the government (transport Canada/RIV/etc) to make it easier to import cars

Once enough signatures would be obtained, we'd send it to all the major manufacturers and provincial/federal government.

This is just a summary of what the petition could/would/should say or ask for.

(canadian) inputs welcome (o:

[ssainani]

there's way too much info in this thread

but can someone please post the procedure for a used vehicle purchase in the states?

thank you

[yyz2hkg]

I'm just getting ready to go to Iowa to pick up my 2007 Chevy Trailblazer LT with 8,000 miles on it.

Of course also trying to get all my documentation and forms in order.

Do I need an MCO (manufacturer's certificate of origin) if I am importing a used vehicle?

If so, who would have that document........the dealer? How hard is it to obtain?

Thanks, Ron.

there's way too much info in this thread

but can someone please post the procedure for a used vehicle purchase in the states?

thank you

Vehicles issued an original certificate of title. For used, self-propelled vehicles issued, by any jurisdiction in the United States, a Certificate of Title (See Attachment A) or a Salvage Title that remains in force, the owner must provide to Customs the original Certificate of Title or a Certified Copy of the Certificate of Title and two complete copies of the original Certificate of Title or the Certified Copy of the original.
(ii) Where title evidences third-party ownership/claims. If the used, self-propelled vehicle is leased or a recorded lien exists in the U.S., in addition to complying with paragraph (b)(1)(i) of this section, the provisional owner must provide to Customs a separate writing from the third-party-in interest which expressly provides that the subject vehicle may be exported. This writing must be on the third-party’s letterhead paper and contain a complete description of the vehicle including the Vehicle Identification Number (VIN), the name of the owner or lienholder of the leased vehicle, and the telephone numbers at which that owner or lienholder may be contacted and must bear an original signature of the third-party and state the date it was signed.

[bigwiggum23]

deadline passed...

Thanks

[bionicbadger]

A petition would ask for:
A) price adjustments that REALLY reflect the dollar value and
B) Manufacturers should honor US warranties/service bulletins/recalls in Canada
C) For the government (transport Canada/RIV/etc) to make it easier to import cars



A) consumers vote with their dollars, now lots of dollars are going south of the border, manufacturers are already aware of this.
B) Why should company A honor company B's warranty? Most manufacturers have separate Canadian and US companies. They are different legal entities and have separate accounting systems. Companies that do honor warranties are doing their customers a service, so they are good companies to buy from. Again vote with your dollars.
C) the import process is already very easy. Look how many people have successfully done it without problems. It takes 15 minutes at the border to fill out the forms, 2 minutes to fax in paperwork, then 10 minutes at canadian tire. How much easier does it have to get?

[WHO]

A) consumers vote with their dollars, now lots of dollars are going south of the border, manufacturers are already aware of this.
B) Why should company A honor company B's warranty? Most manufacturers have separate Canadian and US companies. They are different legal entities and have separate accounting systems. Companies that do honor warranties are doing their customers a service, so they are good companies to buy from. Again vote with your dollars.
C) the import process is already very easy. Look how many people have successfully done it without problems. It takes 15 minutes at the border to fill out the forms, 2 minutes to fax in paperwork, then 10 minutes at canadian tire. How much easier does it have to get?
A) Yes, but not everyone (me, for instance) has a passport, and/or relatives in the US to make the process faster/easier.
B) These are just gimmicks, HONDA builds some of their cars in CANADA, EXPORTS them to the USA (I don't see the government giving them too much trouble there) and then tries to screw us up by selling us overpriced cars, or loosing the warranty if we buy from the US.
C)The process itself may be easy, but with all the 2008 models coming out, we're seeing the difficulty some people are having the with RIV process.

[dlseeker]

Hello Everyone,

This is a reocuring theme in this forum so I thought that this link will be usefull to people.

I just came across a good summary of which manufactorer's will honour thir US warranties in Canada from the APA at:

http://www.apa.ca/template.asp?DocID=253

[tzcnd]

They might have taken down the article. Luckily, I had another tab opened where I was viewing it awhile ago. Here is the whole article.



MAKE THINGS BETTER: WHY A MADE-FOR-CANADA TOYOTA IS MORE THAN JUST A GREAT VEHICLE

Toyota may be one of the largest automakers in the world, but we achieved this success one customer at a time. That's why when you purchase or lease a made-for-Canada Toyota car or truck you get more than a great vehicle. You also enjoy the services and support that only Toyota Canada and your Toyota Dealer can provide, to make your ownership experience the best that it can be.

There are many advantages in purchasing or leasing a made-for-Canada Toyota from an authorized Toyota Dealer. Here are a few.

Canadian vehicle specifications

When Toyota Canada considers equipment on Toyota vehicles for the Canadian market, we select certain options and features, on a model-by-model basis, that we believe are best suited for Canada's challenging climatic and driving conditions. These may differ from equipment and options selected for vehicles distributed and sold in the U.S. market.

Customers might believe that the only real difference between Canadian and US vehicles relates to vehicle gauges (which are metric in Canada and imperial in the United States). Depending on model, however, made-for-Canada Toyota vehicles may include any of the following features:

* Heavy-duty heaters, batteries, alternators, and starters;
* High capacity window washer fluid reservoirs;
* More robust weather stripping and seals;
* Added paint chip protection;
* Mudguards;
* All-season tires;
* An outside temperature gauge;
* Heated mirrors;
* Towing packages.

A streamlined purchasing or leasing process

Only Made-for-Canada Toyota vehicles are eligible for new vehicle promotions, programs, and incentives offered by Toyota Financial Services in Canada, including:

* Financing and leasing programs;
* Lease Renewal;
* Multiple Security Deposits.

In addition, only Made-for-Canada Toyota vehicles may qualify for other financial incentives or programs offered by Toyota Canada, including:

* The Toyota Canada Graduate Program;
* Toyota Canada Fleet Elite Incentives.

Tax/government considerations

Only Made-for-Canada Toyota vehicles may be eligible for certain incentives provided by the Canadian federal and/or certain provincial governments. These include:

* The federal eco-Auto rebate for fuel efficient vehicles;
* Provincial sales tax breaks and rebates for hybrid vehicles and other fuel efficient vehicles.

Vehicles purchased in the United States may not qualify for the above-mentioned "green" incentives AND the purchaser of a US vehicle may still be required to pay the following, in addition to any state taxes or charges imposed on the US purchase:

* Excise tax on fuel inefficient vehicles;
* GST and provincial sales tax;
* Import duties;
* Any costs to modify or retrofit a U.S. vehicle to ensure it complies with Canadian regulations, including, for instance, the installation of daytime running lights; and the installation of an enhanced vehicle immobilization system.

Peace of mind benefits

Purchasing or leasing a made-for-Canada Toyota vehicle includes peace of mind:

* Toyota Canada Inc. provides vehicle owners with Toyota Roadside Assistance (24-hour, every day of the year) for three years.

Warranty/servicing benefits

Canadian Toyota Dealers will honour the new vehicle warranty as provided on vehicles sold in the U.S.A. However, made-for-Canada Toyota vehicles may enjoy certain warranty and servicing benefits not necessarily available in the US. These include:

* Special warranty policy adjustments and extensions from Toyota Canada Inc. that are specific to made-for-Canada vehicles and which may include no-cost or reduced-cost replacements of components to ensure owner satisfaction;
* A streamlined warranty process: When a Canadian Dealer works on a vehicle covered by a U.S. warranty, it may take longer to confirm coverage, secure approvals and process the repairs;
* Access to Replacement Part and Components: Toyota Canada only stocks replacement parts and components for Canadian-specified vehicles so that repairs can be completed in a timely manner. Toyota vehicles distributed in the U.S. may have equipment or components unique to the US market which may require additional lead time to secure replacement parts resulting in additional time to carry out any necessary repairs or servicing;
* Toyota Canada Inc. offers optional extended coverage for servicing and repairs. This coverage cannot be purchased for vehicles sold in the United States;
* Special Service Campaigns: Owners of Toyota vehicles purchased in the United States may not receive timely notification of safety-related service campaigns. In addition, where a safety recall is specific to a US vehicle, a Canadian dealer may not be able to carry out any necessary repairs quickly if replacement parts are not readily available in Canada. Securing replacement parts from US sources may require additional lead time resulting in delays in carrying out any necessary repairs or servicing.

A trusted relationship

Buying or leasing a made-for-Canada Toyota establishes a trusted relationship that will last throughout the ownership cycle:

* Customers gain access to Canadian Toyota Dealers' expertise on made-for-Canada vehicle specifications;
* Customers benefit from Canadian Toyota Dealers' knowledge of Canadian support and service programs;
* Customers are automatically enrolled in Club Toyota for online tracking of a vehicle's service history, customer financial information and warranty information.


If they have to issue a letter like this then they are feeling the importing heat.

This Toyota BS letter makes me want to gag. Does Toyota actually think that anyone will believe this garbage. This is really pathetic. Forget the BS and JUST LOWER YOUR PRICES.

I imported a Sienna last year and would do it again in a second.

For the Toyota executives who thought up this letter (i'm sure you're reading these forums) I have one question - they actually pay you for this? This letter would make me want to buy from the U.S. just in spite of you.

On the up side I now have another written piece of proof that my warranty is fully valid in Canada. Not that I was ever concerned but at least I have something if I ever run into a snotty dealer. I'll be printing this out and tucking it into my glove box just in case.

Buy your cars from the U.S. and keep your money where it belongs - in your pocket.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Pleeeese:

Only Made-for-Canada Toyota vehicles are eligible for new vehicle promotions, programs, and incentives offered by Toyota Financial Services in Canada, including:

* Financing and leasing programs;
* Lease Renewal;
* Multiple Security Deposits.

In addition, only Made-for-Canada Toyota vehicles may qualify for other financial incentives or programs offered by Toyota Canada, including:

* The Toyota Canada Graduate Program;
* Toyota Canada Fleet Elite Incentives.

Why on earth would I care about Toyota of Canada's silly incentive programs? Save me some real cash. DROP YOUR PRICES! Even if Toyota Canada offered me 0% financing for 100 months, they're still on average $15,000 more expensive.

In their second paragraph, they make no mention on where the factory rebates are.

Toyota can choke on their "Canadian Cars". I'm more convinced than ever to promote buying in the US, particularly since the Canadian dollars' broken the .97 cent barrier.

The price difference is just too much to pass up now.

You can get a 2007/2008 Outback LLBean (LOADED) for either $30,000 Canadian or $52,000 Canadian. The choice is yours. Add the appropriate taxes and you're now saving over $24,000 buying a loaded Subaru in the US




Wow. Yeah that would make me seriously consider buying a Toyota in Canada!

[tzcnd]

Hello Everyone,

This is a reocuring theme in this forum so I thought that this link will be usefull to people.

I just came across a good summary of which manufactorer's will honour thir US warranties in Canada from the APA at:

http://www.apa.ca/template.asp?DocID=253

Thanks for the link. Great summary of the warranties by the APA. Hopefully this puts to rest the endless questions of which companies honour their warranty in Canada and which do not.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Do you guys think we could attract enough attention if we start a www.petitiononline.com ?

I mean, on this forum alone, we got about say 200 "votes" in the original poll, and there's people from all over the country (BC, AB, ONT, QC, etc). So not only would WE sign the petition, but we could each pitch in to let our local media, internet BLOGS, forums, etc know and spread the word.

A petition would ask for:
A) price adjustments that REALLY reflect the dollar value and
B) Manufacturers should honor US warranties/service bulletins/recalls in Canada
C) For the government (transport Canada/RIV/etc) to make it easier to import cars

Once enough signatures would be obtained, we'd send it to all the major manufacturers and provincial/federal government.

This is just a summary of what the petition could/would/should say or ask for.

(canadian) inputs welcome (o:

The only way you're going to get a response it to complain to the proper government authorities.

As I have mentioned in the past, if you think that Canadian dealers and manufacturers are taking advantage of the Canadian consumer, there is something you can do. Contact the following organizations:

You local MP and MPP.
Contact Jim Flaherty - Minister of Finance www.jimflaherty.com
Telephone: (905) 665-8182
Fax: (905) 665-8124
E-mail: jim@jimflaherty.com


or to actually get someone who works a couple of hours a week and might do something other than provide you rhetoric (Jim nods a lot when you speak to him akin to a bobble-head but doesn't really do much):


The Canadian Competition Bureau:

File a complaint by phone or by fax:

Monday - Friday, 8:30 a.m. to 4:30 p.m., Eastern Time.
Toll-free: 1 800 348-5358
TDD (for hearing impaired): 1 800 642-3844
Fax: (819) 997-0324

File a complaint by mail:

Competition Bureau
50 Victoria Street
Gatineau, Quebec
K1A 0C9

Send them more than one email. Tell them to look into this.
Someone is making huge money and gouging the Canadian Consumer.

email: compbureau@cb-bc.gc.ca

You can also file a formal complaint with Consumer and Corporate affairs:

http://consumerinformation.ca/app/oc...ndex.do?lang=e

Canadian Consumer Information Gateway - Office of Consumer Affairs
Industry Canada
235 Queen Street
6th Floor West
Ottawa, ON
K1A 0H5
Tel: (613) 946-2576
E-mail: consumer.information@ic.gc.ca

Something's SERIOUSLY wrong when you have to buy a car outside the country.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Some of you have asked to see what the "Certificate Of Origin" looks like.

I had a choice to get an immediate dealer trade (from Pennsylvania) or a factory order. The NY State dealer wanted to get both for me since they had no problems selling the really scarce 3.0r LLBeans. My car was delivery by enclosed carrier with only 5 miles on the odometer. I added two miles to the car (test driving) before it was registered to the NY dealer. The original paperwork shows the car was made on January 26, 2007 and delivered to a dealer in Pennsylvania. The back of the CoO shows a notarized stamp indicating the dealer trade from Pennsylvania to NY State.

The really interesting thing is that you can see the dealer trade was made the same day I agreed to buy the Subaru (February 20th) from West Herr in NY State. The car was barely one month old. I took possession on March 21st and delivery on March 27th

The CoO was embossed and had texture like real money. You can clearly see the US Customs export stamp. The original was kept by my provincial licensing office (MTO):


http://farm1.static.flickr.com/208/516559881_45286ade67.jpg


The NY State Bill of sale:


http://farm1.static.flickr.com/220/516488622_e222c3bba2.jpg

[scouzi]

The only way you're going to get a response it to complain to the proper government authorities.

As I have mentioned in the past, if you think that Canadian dealers and manufacturers are taking advantage of the Canadian consumer, there is something you can do. Contact the following organizations:

You local MP and MPP.
Contact Jim Flaherty - Minister of Finance www.jimflaherty.com
Telephone: (905) 665-8182
Fax: (905) 665-8124
E-mail: jim@jimflaherty.com


or to actually get someone who works a couple of hours a week and might do something other than provide you rhetoric (Jim nods a lot when you speak to him akin to a bobble-head but doesn't really do much):


The Canadian Competition Bureau:

File a complaint by phone or by fax:

Monday - Friday, 8:30 a.m. to 4:30 p.m., Eastern Time.
Toll-free: 1 800 348-5358
TDD (for hearing impaired): 1 800 642-3844
Fax: (819) 997-0324

File a complaint by mail:

Competition Bureau
50 Victoria Street
Gatineau, Quebec
K1A 0C9

Send them more than one email. Tell them to look into this.
Someone is making huge money and gouging the Canadian Consumer.

email: compbureau@cb-bc.gc.ca

You can also file a formal complaint with Consumer and Corporate affairs:

http://consumerinformation.ca/app/oc...ndex.do?lang=e

Canadian Consumer Information Gateway - Office of Consumer Affairs
Industry Canada
235 Queen Street
6th Floor West
Ottawa, ON
K1A 0H5
Tel: (613) 946-2576
E-mail: consumer.information@ic.gc.ca

Something's SERIOUSLY wrong when you have to buy a car outside the country.

Governments would lose sales tax revenues if prices were lower so it's not in their best ineterests to act. Car companies will blackmail them with job cuts if they act on this.

If anyone is too lazy to save $15k for just a little more effort in buying a car - then it's their loss.

[bcbud]

Greetings and have been a lurker for a while. In my research found a good resource for finding Canadian friendly US car dealers is on EBAY. I use the following link
http://motors.listings.ebay.ca/Cars-Trucks_W0QQfclZ3QQfromZR13QQloglZ1QQsacatZ6001QQso cmdZListingItemList

All these sellers state they are willing to sell to Canada in their listings. I contacted a Honda dealer(in WA) from his listing and confirmed though email is would be happy to sell to me a new Ridgeline, he is familiar with the exporting procedure, and has many vehicles being driven up here.

If you have time, watching the auctions can give a good idea of how much used and new vehicles are being sold for down there.

[WHO]

Hello Everyone,

This is a reocuring theme in this forum so I thought that this link will be usefull to people.

I just came across a good summary of which manufactorer's will honour thir US warranties in Canada from the APA at:

http://www.apa.ca/template.asp?DocID=253

Thanks for this info.
Strange that Infiniti will honor US warranty. but not Nissan. Sad and dissapointing as I was considering to renew my 2001 Nissan Sentra to possibly a Versa.

[diigii]

Thanks for this info.
Strange that Infiniti will honor US warranty. but not Nissan. Sad and dissapointing as I was considering to renew my 2001 Nissan Sentra to possibly a Versa.

It's sad to see Nissan Canada has not gone official about honoring the US warranty on US-bought cars. But you would be surprised to hear their dealers are willing to cover them. Just ask your Nissan dealer where you took your Sentra for its oil changes. If they're not willing to honor, check out other Nissan dealers in your area. I found mine where I can take my '07.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Governments would lose sales tax revenues if prices were lower so it's not in their best ineterests to act. Car companies will blackmail them with job cuts if they act on this.

If anyone is too lazy to save $15k for just a little more effort in buying a car - then it's their loss.

I can't believe that. People in Eutopia would say "wow are car prices ever cheap in Canada now. No need to keep our old clunker, let's buy a new one"

From what I've read, the average car on the road is at an all-time high average.

The article:

In the year 2001, the National Automobile Dealers Association conducted a study revealing the average age of vehicles in operation in the US. The study found that of vehicles in operation in the US, 38.3% were older than ten years, 22.3% were between seven and ten years old, 25.8% were between three and six years old and 13.5% were less than two years old. According to this study the majority of vehicles, 60.6%, of vehicles were older than seven years in 2001. This relatively high age of automobiles in the US might be explained through gradually declining sales figures since 1998.

The median and mean age of automobiles has steadily increased since 1969. In 2005 the overall median age for automobiles was 8.9 years, a significant increase over 1990 when the median age of vehicles in operation in the US was 6.5 years and 1969 when the mean age for automobiles was 5.1 years.[8] Of all body styles, pick-up trucks had the highest mean age (9.4 years), followed by cars with a mean age of 8.4 years and van with a mean age of 7.0 years. As SUVs are part of a relatively new consumer trend originating mostly in the 1990s, SUVs had the lowest mean age of any body style in the US (6.1 years). The average recreational vehicle was even older with a mean age of 12.5. The mean age has increased continuously for all body styles from 1969 to 2005.


Most people I talk to never actually think about importing since they are completely unaware how simple the process actually is. Most choose to lease cars since that's what the dealer tells them is the cheapest (monthly cost) option. Those who consistently lease cars in Canada don't deserve to buy in the US.

[shopper-X]

Thanks for this info.
Strange that Infiniti will honor US warranty. but not Nissan. Sad and dissapointing as I was considering to renew my 2001 Nissan Sentra to possibly a Versa.

I think the warranty is vaild if:
1. It's new and never registered in the US, and registered to the 1st owner for at least 6 months.
or
2. Used and registered in the US for the 1st 6 months

If you call Nissan USA and ask about it, they say it's fine to export a new vehicle and the warranty is valid. They will give you a CASE# (if not, ask for it) and don't lose it.

BTW, how do you like your 2001 Sentra? I drive a '01 SE and love it still.

[WHO]

I think the warranty is vaild if:
1. It's new and never registered in the US, and registered to the 1st owner for at least 6 months.
or
2. Used and registered in the US for the 1st 6 months

If you call Nissan USA and ask about it, they say it's fine to export a new vehicle and the warranty is valid. They will give you a CASE# (if not, ask for it) and don't lose it.

BTW, how do you like your 2001 Sentra? I drive a '01 SE and love it still.

Good info, I'll look into it.

I really like the Sentra. Always been a fan of Nissan, especially how tough they are. Don't try to kill a transmission on a Nissan, it just won't happen.
The Sentra is my grocery getter/daily driver.
Never had to do anything to it but change the oil/filter, wash it, fill the washer fluid and replace the tires.
I did have to replace the battery, but it was due to an incident. And still...
Oh yeah, one of the O2 sensor is bad, check engine light is part of my daily life now. At 150$, it will stay that way, until I eventually take the time to bypass the sensor. I never figured out why Nissan chose to have four 150$ sensors instead of one 40$ one. Must be emission-related.
The brakes are probably due soon, we'll see after the winter...

Anyway, don't want to divert from the subject. When I'm ready to make a buying move, I'll see how the local dealer deals with me. I never set foot in a dealer for any of my cars. I did once, and they managed to screw up an oil change...

Getting that CASE # from Nissan USA seems to be one of the things I'll put on my checklist.

[Shear1]

Anyone have info regarding 2008 GM cars on the RIV/Transport canada list of admissable vehicles? I'm trying to import a 2008 Saturn SKy but there are no GMs and almost no other 2008 on the list yet. Thanks in advance

[Louist]

There have been many meetings in the last week about price drops for 2009. If the pressure keeps up or gets worse as it will once the dollar is at 1:1 next month.

An Audi Canada rep told me he gets requests for recall letters by the hundreds weekly now. It has become feverish, and the sales for sept should show that although the first half of the year was good, the last quarter it will be dismall. The profit curve is quickly shifting. Making 10k per car on no cars is not as good as 5k per car on many...since in the us it might be say 2k per car. Greedy bast...s will reprice to make it the max profit. I would say for some even if the prices were equal, some would import just to drive home the point that car makers have screwed with Canadian buyers....and no amount of intervention is gonna stop it.

I was also told that Audi will not stand by and let BMW reprice without following...as Audi has taken some market share and want to keep the momentum up. So heres hoping that BMW pull the trigger to start a freefall to fairness.

2009 will see a drop, I am 95% sure. Best guess is 8%. Porche did 8% for 2008,,,they just have very little competitors in class. So keep up the importing and the consumer will win this one in the end. Momentum can be out of control. One month you sell 100 cars the next could be 5.....this is fact. Everyone I bump into at work, at daycare, at the grocery store, reporters....go a day without hearing about importing a car and you must have stayed in bed.

As for me..time is money, and kissing an Audi USA butt is not my style....if they dig in their heals, then Audi won't sell cars in Canada OR in the US...to canadaians....we canadians will try other brands.

Thread is approaching 600,000 views.cough word travels fast.

Lou

[ecgz88]

I believe they won't drop the price at all, if Audi canada drop the price 10-20% 2009, what happen to all Audi old customer? depreciation is huge and they won't be repeat customer again!



There have been many meetings in the last week about price drops for 2009. If the pressure keeps up or gets worse as it will once the dollar is at 1:1 next month.

An Audi Canada rep told me he gets requests for recall letters by the hundreds weekly now. It has become feverish, and the sales for sept should show that although the first half of the year was good, the last quarter it will be dismall. The profit curve is quickly shifting. Making 10k per car on no cars is not as good as 5k per car on many...since in the us it might be say 2k per car. Greedy bast...s will reprice to make it the max profit. I would say for some even if the prices were equal, some would import just to drive home the point that car makers have screwed with Canadian buyers....and no amount of intervention is gonna stop it.

I was also told that Audi will not stand by and let BMW reprice without following...as Audi has taken some market share and want to keep the momentum up. So heres hoping that BMW pull the trigger to start a freefall to fairness.

2009 will see a drop, I am 95% sure. Best guess is 8%. Porche did 8% for 2008,,,they just have very little competitors in class. So keep up the importing and the consumer will win this one in the end. Momentum can be out of control. One month you sell 100 cars the next could be 5.....this is fact. Everyone I bump into at work, at daycare, at the grocery store, reporters....go a day without hearing about importing a car and you must have stayed in bed.

As for me..time is money, and kissing an Audi USA butt is not my style....if they dig in their heals, then Audi won't sell cars in Canada OR in the US...to canadaians....we canadians will try other brands.

Thread is approaching 600,000 views.cough word travels fast.

Lou

[AllWheelDrift]

I believe they won't drop the price at all, if Audi canada drop the price 10-20% 2009, what happen to all Audi old customer? depreciation is huge and they won't be repeat customer again!
Sure they will, because the price reductions on new models would more than offset the depreciation. Also, do you think they wouldn't jump ship to BMW for their next car if they feel they get better value from them?

[crasher]

They might have taken down the article. Luckily, I had another tab opened where I was viewing it awhile ago. Here is the whole article.



MAKE THINGS BETTER: WHY A MADE-FOR-CANADA TOYOTA IS MORE THAN JUST A GREAT VEHICLE

Toyota may be one of the largest automakers in the world, but we achieved this success one customer at a time. That's why when you purchase or lease a made-for-Canada Toyota car or truck you get more than a great vehicle. You also enjoy the services and support that only Toyota Canada and your Toyota Dealer can provide, to make your ownership experience the best that it can be.

There are many advantages in purchasing or leasing a made-for-Canada Toyota from an authorized Toyota Dealer. Here are a few.

Canadian vehicle specifications

When Toyota Canada considers equipment on Toyota vehicles for the Canadian market, we select certain options and features, on a model-by-model basis, that we believe are best suited for Canada's challenging climatic and driving conditions. These may differ from equipment and options selected for vehicles distributed and sold in the U.S. market.

Customers might believe that the only real difference between Canadian and US vehicles relates to vehicle gauges (which are metric in Canada and imperial in the United States). Depending on model, however, made-for-Canada Toyota vehicles may include any of the following features:

* Heavy-duty heaters, batteries, alternators, and starters;
* High capacity window washer fluid reservoirs;
* More robust weather stripping and seals;
* Added paint chip protection;
* Mudguards;
* All-season tires;
* An outside temperature gauge;
* Heated mirrors;
* Towing packages.

A streamlined purchasing or leasing process

Only Made-for-Canada Toyota vehicles are eligible for new vehicle promotions, programs, and incentives offered by Toyota Financial Services in Canada, including:

* Financing and leasing programs;
* Lease Renewal;
* Multiple Security Deposits.

In addition, only Made-for-Canada Toyota vehicles may qualify for other financial incentives or programs offered by Toyota Canada, including:

* The Toyota Canada Graduate Program;
* Toyota Canada Fleet Elite Incentives.

Tax/government considerations

Only Made-for-Canada Toyota vehicles may be eligible for certain incentives provided by the Canadian federal and/or certain provincial governments. These include:

* The federal eco-Auto rebate for fuel efficient vehicles;
* Provincial sales tax breaks and rebates for hybrid vehicles and other fuel efficient vehicles.

Vehicles purchased in the United States may not qualify for the above-mentioned "green" incentives AND the purchaser of a US vehicle may still be required to pay the following, in addition to any state taxes or charges imposed on the US purchase:

* Excise tax on fuel inefficient vehicles;
* GST and provincial sales tax;
* Import duties;
* Any costs to modify or retrofit a U.S. vehicle to ensure it complies with Canadian regulations, including, for instance, the installation of daytime running lights; and the installation of an enhanced vehicle immobilization system.

Peace of mind benefits

Purchasing or leasing a made-for-Canada Toyota vehicle includes peace of mind:

* Toyota Canada Inc. provides vehicle owners with Toyota Roadside Assistance (24-hour, every day of the year) for three years.

Warranty/servicing benefits

Canadian Toyota Dealers will honour the new vehicle warranty as provided on vehicles sold in the U.S.A. However, made-for-Canada Toyota vehicles may enjoy certain warranty and servicing benefits not necessarily available in the US. These include:

* Special warranty policy adjustments and extensions from Toyota Canada Inc. that are specific to made-for-Canada vehicles and which may include no-cost or reduced-cost replacements of components to ensure owner satisfaction;
* A streamlined warranty process: When a Canadian Dealer works on a vehicle covered by a U.S. warranty, it may take longer to confirm coverage, secure approvals and process the repairs;
* Access to Replacement Part and Components: Toyota Canada only stocks replacement parts and components for Canadian-specified vehicles so that repairs can be completed in a timely manner. Toyota vehicles distributed in the U.S. may have equipment or components unique to the US market which may require additional lead time to secure replacement parts resulting in additional time to carry out any necessary repairs or servicing;
* Toyota Canada Inc. offers optional extended coverage for servicing and repairs. This coverage cannot be purchased for vehicles sold in the United States;
* Special Service Campaigns: Owners of Toyota vehicles purchased in the United States may not receive timely notification of safety-related service campaigns. In addition, where a safety recall is specific to a US vehicle, a Canadian dealer may not be able to carry out any necessary repairs quickly if replacement parts are not readily available in Canada. Securing replacement parts from US sources may require additional lead time resulting in delays in carrying out any necessary repairs or servicing.

A trusted relationship

Buying or leasing a made-for-Canada Toyota establishes a trusted relationship that will last throughout the ownership cycle:

* Customers gain access to Canadian Toyota Dealers' expertise on made-for-Canada vehicle specifications;
* Customers benefit from Canadian Toyota Dealers' knowledge of Canadian support and service programs;
* Customers are automatically enrolled in Club Toyota for online tracking of a vehicle's service history, customer financial information and warranty information.

I dont know what Toyota is talking about. They cant distinguish car assembly line for the basic operation like painting, weather strips, and seals. My Camry Hybrid bought in US came with tires Made in Canada:D and also heated mirrors, DRL and navigation which is not available here.
Why would someone want to share their financial info on their website?
And biggest BS was about rebates. Federal ecorebate is still not available to ppl who bought the cars in Canada, and once it is available, it will be available to everyone. Provincial tax rebate is available to US purchased vehicle.
BTW here is the direct link (http://www.toyota.ca/cgi-bin/WebObjects/WWW.woa/20/wo/Home.WhatsNew.LatestNews-BIxtbIMVuPPODV0VAD4hTM/3.7?n306313e%2ehtml) to the article.

[whampoa]

There have been many meetings in the last week about price drops for 2009. If the pressure keeps up or gets worse as it will once the dollar is at 1:1 next month.

2009?

They better lower like right now, before the end of the year, when the dollar is on par with the greenback. Yes, I'm making this bold prediction.

Or else Audi and the likes of them will find the invisible hand at work by pricing themselves out of the market.

And I'm not talking about a paltry reduction of 9% either.


P.S. Hope Audi won't stoop so low? By pulling a Toyota on our rear view mirror.

[southpaw4golf]

I'm just getting ready to go to Iowa to pick up my 2007 Chevy Trailblazer LT with 8,000 miles on it.

Of course also trying to get all my documentation and forms in order.

Do I need an MCO (manufacturer's certificate of origin) if I am importing a used vehicle?

If so, who would have that document........the dealer? How hard is it to obtain?

Thanks, Ron.

I believe the Title transferred into your name and a bill of sale would do the trick...

[Louist]

I was told price incentives would cover the 2008s mid year till 2009 when the drop would happen. Kind of phase in the better deal so as not to shift the price by 5k and screw over a person that just bought...instead it will be a year long screw for that guy. Don't think an actual retail price will change for 2008 now, buy Audi can get money to the buyers in other ways.

At work today a co-worker said the movie industry has had a similar situation...in Canada the ticket prices went up and up till no one went anymore, profits fell, and prices were dropped from 14 to 7 dollars. Place is packed, sell pop-corn, and record profits. Gas prices fell from 1.19 to 96 here in Canada, becuase the actual profit rises when more fuel is sold, and at 1 buck a litre no one buys gas..they get 50 mpg vs 15 mpg vehicles and it hurts. Supossedly at 96 to 99 no one goes the eco route and they consume lots of fuel...so profits again record highs. All is good until US vs. Canada tries to control the market with bull.... it will sort itelf out, just takes longer and pisses many customers off along the way, perhaps some may lose brand loyalty and never go back. It is a real risk right now to be amongst the few that leave prices high. Once some come to the realization that more profit can be made at a lower price...all will follow. Lets punish the last ones to lower.

[Flavour]

lurker here for a while, great thread, when its time to buy i'm definately going state side if the rip offs continue. i couldn't decide on what i wanted, but i'm now interested in the new 08 a4. theoretically, audi should price that model properly in canada from the start since it is brand new, so there is nothing to compare it to. but i won't hold my breath, they are one of the worst gougers out there.

which brings me to what i was thinking. say i do go to the us to buy an audi, am i not still rewarding audi with my buisness? they're trying to either a) gouge me, or b) make me buy a car from relatively far away, take up my time, and make me pay more taxes (nafta). why should i have to do either? both options piss me off, and make me not want to buy a new car at all!

sure they're audi canada and audi usa, but isn't the parent the same? not only they get a sale, but its one less sale to a competitor.

i just think maybe it makes sense to promote those cars that have the least amount of price difference rather than promoting those that have the most. unfortunately i can't find one i like that fit that criteria.

[Indijones]

I've read the first 25 pages and the more I read the more I want to buy my car from USA. I would like to look into prices offered by US distributors near Toronto in those pages that require US zip codes.
http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html
http://www.edmunds.com/
http://www.cars.com/go/index.jsp
Could anyone please send me some zip codes for that purpose? If anyone has bought a new Toyota from there, I would appreciate it very much if you share your experience. Thanks in advance!

[Louist]

lexus IS250awd, IS350
Mercedes c350 sport
Infinity G37
BMW 335

some very stiff competition. Take a rip in that lexus and see the smile.

[gjw1]

Could anyone please send me some zip codes for that purpose?

You might find this useful. USPS Zip Codes (http://zip4.usps.com/zip4/citytown.jsp)

[scouzi]

There have been many meetings in the last week about price drops for 2009. If the pressure keeps up or gets worse as it will once the dollar is at 1:1 next month.

An Audi Canada rep told me he gets requests for recall letters by the hundreds weekly now. It has become feverish, and the sales for sept should show that although the first half of the year was good, the last quarter it will be dismall. The profit curve is quickly shifting. Making 10k per car on no cars is not as good as 5k per car on many...since in the us it might be say 2k per car. Greedy bast...s will reprice to make it the max profit. I would say for some even if the prices were equal, some would import just to drive home the point that car makers have screwed with Canadian buyers....and no amount of intervention is gonna stop it.

I was also told that Audi will not stand by and let BMW reprice without following...as Audi has taken some market share and want to keep the momentum up. So heres hoping that BMW pull the trigger to start a freefall to fairness.

2009 will see a drop, I am 95% sure. Best guess is 8%. Porche did 8% for 2008,,,they just have very little competitors in class. So keep up the importing and the consumer will win this one in the end. Momentum can be out of control. One month you sell 100 cars the next could be 5.....this is fact. Everyone I bump into at work, at daycare, at the grocery store, reporters....go a day without hearing about importing a car and you must have stayed in bed.

As for me..time is money, and kissing an Audi USA butt is not my style....if they dig in their heals, then Audi won't sell cars in Canada OR in the US...to canadaians....we canadians will try other brands.

Thread is approaching 600,000 views.cough word travels fast.

Lou

I the $US dollar keeps dropping, car pices will eventually have to go up in the States in my opinion.

[scouzi]

I believe they won't drop the price at all, if Audi canada drop the price 10-20% 2009, what happen to all Audi old customer? depreciation is huge and they won't be repeat customer again!


The used Audis imported from the US will depreciate their cars regardless.

[HighFlyer]

I brought back a Subaru from Van Bortel today. Interestingly enough, the car in front of me at Canada customs primary was a Subaru Outback (blue).... also from Van Bortel.

a couple things:
-I did report the bank draft at US customs
-it is definitely possible to re-enter the US at Queenston after visiting the export office. In fact, you have to U-turn back into the US, and cross 10 lanes.

[gjw1]

Has anyone a link or experience picking up a vehicle for someone else?

[ecgz88]

That's not true, Federal ecorebate is not available to US purchased vehicle.
I have call them few times confirm that.


I dont know what Toyota is talking about. They cant distinguish car assembly line for the basic operation like painting, weather strips, and seals. My Camry Hybrid bought in US came with tires Made in Canada:D and also heated mirrors, DRL and navigation which is not available here.
Why would someone want to share their financial info on their website?
And biggest BS was about rebates. Federal ecorebate is still not available to ppl who bought the cars in Canada, and once it is available, it will be available to everyone. Provincial tax rebate is available to US purchased vehicle.
BTW here is the direct link (http://www.toyota.ca/cgi-bin/WebObjects/WWW.woa/20/wo/Home.WhatsNew.LatestNews-BIxtbIMVuPPODV0VAD4hTM/3.7?n306313e%2ehtml) to the article.

[tico 1948]

Hey folks, What do you think about this price that I just rec'd via e-mail from a U.S. Subaru Dealer? 2008 Tribeca 5 Pass. Limited (MSRP $33,270) for $29,999 all fees included. Even figuring in a liberal 6% exchange rate, the price seems awfully good.:D What's your opinions?

Further to my previous post, I added some accessories to my original price request. Here they are: remote starter,allweather floor mats,auto-dimming mirror w/compass,cargo tray, & retracting cargo cover. That brought the total price quote for the vehicle to: $29,999 plus $914 for accessories(installed price) = $30,913 (no state sales tax because N.H. has no state sales tax. The Cd. dollar is now .97+ so things are just getting better.: It should hopefully be even better when time comes to finalize the deal by months end. Compare this to the $45,195 (no dicker price of the Cdn. Subaru Dealer I visited) along with $1,495 dest. chg. on top & the 14% H.S.T. we Maritimers pay. Holy Cow we're savinig a boatload of $$$!.:D If that wouldn't convince someone to go stateside for a vehicle I don't know what would.As for Cdn. dealers honouring warranties, they had better. If things don't change soon, Service Depts. are all that will keep some dealers open if their vehicle sales drop off.Even that may not be enough if they have incompetent/unfriendly service people.Believe me, I've encountered some.

[crasher]

That's not true, Federal ecorebate is not available to US purchased vehicle.
I have call them few times confirm that.

I called them too, and they said it is not available for used cars, but will be available for brand new cars. They are still in the process of finalizing their policy.

[LD500]

just by reading this statement by Toyota Canada, makes me buy from the US. Something so idiotic as they way it was put, should make Canadian buyers flock to the US even more to purchase their Toyota.

Totally agree. That statement by Toyota makes me want to buy one in the USA, and save 20%, even more. They use the word "may" often, likely meaning they scanned their whole lineup of cars and those are all the differences they could find. I am looking at the 2008 Toyota Sienna and you can get so many different option combinations in the USA that you can't get here. In general, the same model is better spec'ed in the USA.

I really wonder which manufacturer will break first and lower their prices. At the moment, it looks like Subaru and Toyota are the most popular to buy in the USA. Once one manufacturer moves then the rest will need to follow. If Toyota moves, Honda & Nissan must move. If Toyota moves then Lexus is a given which means BMW, Audi, Infiniti must move.

Hope the Canadian dollar hits $1.01 USD. Then the exchange rate excuse will turn against them too.

My guess is the US prices should move up and the Canadian prices should move down. The days of going after the USA market at all cost are probably over for a while.

[collector]

I'm thinking of getting a 2008 Tribeca next month. I have a question for those who got one already- What is your experience with the Subaru (Kenwood) navigation system?
Is it any good or is it better to get something else? And, is it possible to change the Fahrenheit readings to Celsius?

Thanks

[buyingtoyota]

Or it might be worth doing a bit more research on the car itself - if it's like the Sienna, you just need to use a fuse to activate the DRL.

I wouldn't hardwire the lights to go on all the time (although that's exactly what I did when I imported a used car a few months ago).

You can also buy the DRL add-on module from CT for about $25 but that requires you to splice a few wires.

HI, you mentioned to to use a fuse to activate the DRL on the sienna. Could you please tell me in a bit more details? Cause I am buying a sienna from the states. Thanks!

[HighFlyer]

Hope the Canadian dollar hits $1.01 USD. Then the exchange rate excuse will turn against them too.

My car was assessed at 1.0293 by the CBSA yesterday, so we're getting there :cheesygri


My guess is the US prices should move up and the Canadian prices should move down.
I don't think so. They can't afford to raise the prices with the US economy in the crapper due to that subprime mess that's currently taking place.

[rusich]

Does anyone know of a US Toyota dealership, that would sell new Toyotas to Candians. Every dealer I called, and I called quite a few, tell me the same story they cant sell to Canadians.

BTW. If I were to find an Amerifriend to buy a car for me and sell it to me right away, so I could import it as used, would I need no pay double tax? State tax and Canadian 6% at the border. THanks.

[Cheemes]

If you would like to purchase a new Acura, Audi or Volkswagon and you live relatively close to Burlington Vermont, please contact John Kimel at acurajohn@hotmail.com or 802-343-2666. His goal was to make my buying experience one of the best and he succeeded.


Great thread and great post....thx for all the info!

I did call John Kimel (and a couple of Audi dealers in WA) and he said as of a couple of weeks ago Audi has shut down his ability to sell new cars to Canadians. They (the car manufacturer) are obviously keeping the profits for themselves at our expense. My only option now is to get a relative to buy the car for me, pay his state tax at 6% and then bring it over....still worth the deal, but living in AB I would have paid no state tax in WA.

I'm no lawyer, but is Audi breaking the law (NAFTA) here by restricting sales to only US citizens? Or are corporations exempt from NAFTA because it applies only to governments? Any comments?

[lightbulb]

I expect to pick up my Subie in the next 10 days or so and am probably going to buy the extended warranty as well. I've seen very little to no mention of this option by others here; it seems like another good deal. The one I'm thinking of going with, for a Legacy GT, is 7 years / 70,000 miles for a bit under U$900; it basically extends the 3 year factory warranty with a $50 deductable.

Another option are a set of winter wheels but Tire Rack doesn't seem to have their winter packages yet.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I'm thinking of getting a 2008 Tribeca next month. I have a question for those who got one already- What is your experience with the Subaru (Kenwood) navigation system?
Is it any good or is it better to get something else? And, is it possible to change the Fahrenheit readings to Celsius?

Thanks

I purchased a new LLBean a few months ago and purposely chose NOT to get the Kenwood GPS system.

Aside from fitting nicely in the dash, the unit is useless. It relies on a DVD to access maps and from what I read, they new versions are already outdated>

I chose to buy a stand alone GPS which is considerably more versatile than Subaru's Kenwood unit. I also saved about $1000. Sure I don't get told when I need to change my oil but the dealer puts a reminder on my windshield anyway.

[whampoa]

I expect to pick up my Subie in the next 10 days or so and am probably going to buy the extended warranty as well. I've seen very little to no mention of this option by others here; it seems like another good deal. The one I'm thinking of going with, for a Legacy GT, is 7 years / 70,000 miles for a bit under U$900; it basically extends the 3 year factory warranty with a $50 deductable.

Another option are a set of winter wheels but Tire Rack doesn't seem to have their winter packages yet.

I don't know if your dealer will offer to sell you the extended warranty? When I bought my mine, the salesman took a look at the extended warranty brochure and say it doesn't applied to Canadian. :confused:

If your Subie is equipped with tire pressure sensor be careful with the wheels when changing the tires, I heard it doesn't jive too well.

I purchased a new LLBean a few months ago and purposely chose NOT to get the Kenwood GPS system.

Aside from fitting nicely in the dash, the unit is useless. It relies on a DVD to access maps and from what I read, they new versions are already outdated>


To each his own, I am able to use it throughout my travel from Toronto to Washington DC with no problem. The maps is pretty update, accurate and quick automatic rerouting.

Having a GPS system makes you more confident at traveling alone. It's like having an extra passenger at your side, without having to look at the paper map, or your significant other nagging at your ear all the time.

Since it comes standard with my trim level, I have no complaints. But as you said, it's not on my top of wish list options.

[shopper-X]

I don't know if your dealer will offer to sell you the extended warranty? When I bought my mine, the salesman took a look at the extended warranty brochure and say it doesn't applied to Canadian. :confused:


It is transferable. I emailed and called SOA about it. I was looking at the 5yr/60,000mile/$0, but you can purchase it anytime as long as the vehicle still has factory warranty.

Ask for the "Subaru Added Security" by name. The dealer will try to sell you 3rd party extended warranty that will not work in Canada. I found the "Subaru Added Security" cheaper then the 3rd party one.

This is what SOA sent me:
To find the SAS price,
1. On www.subaru.com type the zipcode in the top right corner and find your dealer.
2. Pick the dealer of your choice.
3. Mouse over (not click) Vehicles and click Add Security.
4. Scroll to the near the very bottom for that dealer's "Dealer Suggested Retail Pricing Schedule" for SAS.

I am going to wait and see if other 2006/2007 Tribeca's start to have major problems then I'll think about buying it.

[normancarlton01]

Well, I am purchasing my next car in the united states regardless, Who cares if the warranty does not transfer, if you are saving 20,000!

[bionicbadger]

I'm thinking of getting a 2008 Tribeca next month. I have a question for those who got one already- What is your experience with the Subaru (Kenwood) navigation system?
Is it any good or is it better to get something else? And, is it possible to change the Fahrenheit readings to Celsius?

Thanks

Can't change fahrenheit to celcius without replacing instrument cluster and reprogramming ECU.

I got the nav system, mainly for the backup camera. Its hard to see out the back of the tribeca when parking, the camera makes parking MUCH easier. If you don't get the nav system, you don't get the camera and you get a different (non touch) LCD. The nav system is ok. I haven't used another system to compare it to, but it finds addresses and highway routes just fine, if you buy the right microphone for it the speech recognition/voice activation is supposed to work pretty good..

[shopper-X]

Can't change fahrenheit to celcius without replacing instrument cluster and reprogramming ECU.

I got the nav system, mainly for the backup camera. Its hard to see out the back of the tribeca when parking, the camera makes parking MUCH easier. If you don't get the nav system, you don't get the camera and you get a different (non touch) LCD. The nav system is ok. I haven't used another system to compare it to, but it finds addresses and highway routes just fine, if you buy the right microphone for it the speech recognition/voice activation is supposed to work pretty good..

Which microphone do you need? Do you have a part code or example?

I got the NAV for the same reason...Backup camera.

[crasher]

HI, you mentioned to to use a fuse to activate the DRL on the sienna. Could you please tell me in a bit more details? Cause I am buying a sienna from the states. Thanks!

US sienna already have fully functioning DRL, no mod required.

[flaming homer]

-it is definitely possible to re-enter the US at Queenston after visiting the export office. In fact, you have to U-turn back into the US, and cross 10 lanes.I have a logistics question that perhaps you or someone else can answer - from a "legal" point of view.

I want to import a Lexus in the same day, and the only state I can find is too far to drive back by 4 PM at the Queenston-Lewiston crossing (no other crossing is closer). So my question is:

- A week before delivery, I'll have the dealer fax me the Certificate of Origin so I may fax to the US Customs @ Queenston-Lewiston for clerance
- Days before delivery, I have the dealer FedEx the original Certificate of Origin to me in Canada
- Day of delivery, when entering the US to pick up a cheap SouthWest flight from Buffalo, I first visit the US Customs office with the Original Certificate of Origin and have it signed off as "Exported"
- I then take the flight to the dealership, and drive back
- Late in D-Day, I cross into Canada via the Queenston-Lewiston bridge well after the US Custom has closed (say 9 PM instead of 4 PM)

Your opinions please ? It would save me having to spend a night in Buffalo waiting for next business day. My concern is that the Certificate of Origin is essentially your ownership, and once the US Customs office stamps it as "Exported", it cannot be legal on US streets...

[icecom]

I have a logistics question that perhaps you or someone else can answer - from a "legal" point of view.

I want to import a Lexus in the same day, and the only state I can find is too far to drive back by 4 PM at the Queenston-Lewiston crossing (no other crossing is closer). So my question is:

- A week before delivery, I'll have the dealer fax me the Certificate of Origin so I may fax to the US Customs @ Queenston-Lewiston for clerance
- Days before delivery, I have the dealer FedEx the original Certificate of Origin to me in Canada
- Day of delivery, when entering the US to pick up a cheap SouthWest flight from Buffalo, I first visit the US Customs office with the Original Certificate of Origin and have it signed off as "Exported"
- I then take the flight to the dealership, and drive back
- Late in D-Day, I cross into Canada via the Queenston-Lewiston bridge well after the US Custom has closed (say 9 PM instead of 4 PM)

Your opinions please ? It would save me having to spend a night in Buffalo waiting for next business day. My concern is that the Certificate of Origin is essentially your ownership, and once the US Customs office stamps it as "Exported", it cannot be legal on US streets...

NO, you can't do that. US Customs needs both the car and the owner present at the border to be exported.

[uncle_odb]

Can't change fahrenheit to celcius without replacing instrument cluster and reprogramming ECU.

I got the nav system, mainly for the backup camera. Its hard to see out the back of the tribeca when parking, the camera makes parking MUCH easier. If you don't get the nav system, you don't get the camera and you get a different (non touch) LCD. The nav system is ok. I haven't used another system to compare it to, but it finds addresses and highway routes just fine, if you buy the right microphone for it the speech recognition/voice activation is supposed to work pretty good..

Woah, speech recognition/voice activation? I got the NAVI just so i can have the backup camera. My wife loves it b/c it makes parking so much easier. But please tell me more about this speech recognition/voice activation? I didn't even notice anywhere, while playing with the Navi that voice inputs were possible, even if I did install a microphone? I'm curious now.

[flaming homer]

NO, you can't do that. US Customs needs both the car and the owner present at the border to be exported.That may be a technicality, but my experience so far that they're not leaving that building to check. Even Canada Customs didn't come outside to inspect the car itself...

[HighFlyer]

That may be a technicality, but my experience so far that they're not leaving that building to check. Even Canada Customs didn't come outside to inspect the car itself...
you're taking your chances. the CBP agents at the Lewiston export office are about the rudest, surly, and aggressive of the bunch that I've ever seen. and yes, they were roaming the parking lot when I was there.

[bionicbadger]

Which microphone do you need? Do you have a part code or example?


Its in this thread on legacygt forums, they have the same factory nav system.

This is the thread about adding a mic and a switch (about $65 US in parts) for it:
http://www.legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48659

this thread is other factory nav system hacks:
http://www.legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36342

[shopper-X]

Its in this thread on legacygt forums, they have the same factory nav system.

This is the thread about adding a mic and a switch (about $65 US in parts) for it:
http://www.legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48659

this thread is other factory nav system hacks:
http://www.legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36342

Thanks, I'll have to try this out.

[Monsieurmaggot]

NO, you can't do that. US Customs needs both the car and the owner present at the border to be exported.


I second that remark.

When I crossed over at Lewiston, three of us at US Customs were escorted outside and asked to show the inspector the vehicle being exported. The agent looked at the VIN and handed me the stamped CoO form.

The Canada Customs people were more interested in taking my money than coming outside.

[Tuppin]

When I crossed with our first tribeca both US and Canadian customs people looked at it. For the Second Tribeca for my dad....same thing....lucky for me they didn't question the winter tires and alloy wheels I had gotten from Tirerack and had sent to the dealer. I said they were part of the car deal.

Crossing was bet Maine and New Brunswick.

[Tuppin]

My wife has her eye on the new VW Eos...the convertable. She wants a 4 seater convertable and likes the idea of the hardtop. I read that VW will honour the warranty in Canada but are the dealers allowed to sell to Canadians?

Yes I know the Eos is built in Germany so there will be a duty.

[dasteve]

Anyone import a BMW Z4?

Sorry if this is a dupe, any ideas on how I can search for Z4 (too short) in this thread?

Any issues, does it have DRL, etc? Any recommended BMW dealer?

Thanks,
Steve

[diigii]

I just confirmed from another west-end area Nissan dealer that they honor the basic warranty of US-bought cars. That's two dealers I've confirmed. They just won't honor the extended warranty. Good enough for me!!! The service advisor advised me to have the case number given by Nissan USA handy whenever I need warranty work done.

So for those thinking of a Nissan car, know that the US basic car (3 yrs/36,000 mile) warranty will be honored here in Canada. Forgive me if I won't divulge the west-end dealership's name (even if you PM me) since I would be snitching out on the dealer and Nissan Canada lurking in here. I advise you to do your own legwork by going to Nissan dealers and asked discreetly if they honor US warranty on US-bought Nissans. You'd be surprised to hear such good news.

[diigii]

That may be a technicality, but my experience so far that they're not leaving that building to check. Even Canada Customs didn't come outside to inspect the car itself...

Why even take chances on a very simple procedure of having bought you and car at the border for inspection? Maybe the reason why CBP agents are rude and impolite is because some Canadians or even Americans try to side-step procedures in place? Canada Customs don't need to go out of the office because they could see the car from inside because they have glass windows overlooking the parking spaces. And why would they go out? The US agents have done their job for them by having the CoT or MSO red-stamped and physically checking out the cars.

When I crossed back with my car, CBP agent went out with me and check the VIN and compliance label. After 10 seconds, she congratulated me and said "You can now go back to Canada and enjoy your new car. Just be careful when crossing the inbound lanes on your way to the other side." That's not rude in my experience.

[okano]

hey yo
i am just another fellow rfd saver
brought a 08 legacy 2.5limited dark grey
i think saved over 12k
muwahahahaha
car is really smooth although the steeling wheel is a bit hard compare to my old civic

anyways, i saw another subaru, a black wrx yesterday on mccowen rd close to 401 exit with plate van bortel as well =p

[highjumper]

Anyone have any experience doing this with high end cars, like the Bently GTC? I am looking at buying one, and I have a feeling they are much cheaper in Florida.

[bcbud]

These EBAY lising for Z4 indicate they will sell to Canadians, contact the dealers to confirm. http://motors.listings.ebay.ca/BMW_Z4_W0QQfclZ3QQfromZR13QQloglZ1QQsacatZ36469QQs ocmdZListingItemList

Anyone import a BMW Z4?

Sorry if this is a dupe, any ideas on how I can search for Z4 (too short) in this thread?

Any issues, does it have DRL, etc? Any recommended BMW dealer?

Thanks,
Steve

[WHO]

I just confirmed from another west-end area Nissan dealer that they honor the basic warranty of US-bought cars. That's two dealers I've confirmed. They just won't honor the extended warranty. Good enough for me!!! The service advisor advised me to have the case number given by Nissan USA handy whenever I need warranty work done.

So for those thinking of a Nissan car, know that the US basic car (3 yrs/36,000 mile) warranty will be honored here in Canada. Forgive me if I won't divulge the west-end dealership's name (even if you PM me) since I would be snitching out on the dealer and Nissan Canada lurking in here. I advise you to do your own legwork by going to Nissan dealers and asked discreetly if they honor US warranty on US-bought Nissans. You'd be surprised to hear such good news.

Thanks for the input. little light at the end of the tunnel ;)

[Symcrapico]

On a side note, we can fully sized the RFD effect....as of around 3:00 PM today, subaru.ca is down! :lol:

EDIT: nvm...its back online as of 5:44PM

[crasher]

Just bought a used 2005 Suzuki Boulevard from Buffalo from a private sale for my friend.;)

[valicu64]

We just purchased our SF AWD Limited with Touring Package (7 pass.) for an even 27,000US$, rebates included from Washington State.
The invoice price was 28,125. We couldn’t go any lower because the stock is really low these days on the West coast. If somebody wants a 5 pass, they may find one really easy.
The final price will be 31,000 CND$ with all the fees and taxes included.
The Canadian dealers are selling the same model for 42,400 taxes + fees included. Dealer struggled to find one for us for two days, we wanted red or black exterior with black leather.
The salesman was really helpful and they are gladly selling to Canadians. If I remember this correctly, if you want a 7 pass, there are some beige on beige leather left.
I also had a quote on the same SF Limited with Touring Package (7 pass.) but FWD for 25,000.
As you can see, roughly, I just saved 11,000 $, Thank you Monsieurmaggot.

[valicu64]

Sorry for being imprecise, SF stands for Hyundai Santa Fe.

[brendonp]

Anyone import a BMW Z4?

Sorry if this is a dupe, any ideas on how I can search for Z4 (too short) in this thread?

Any issues, does it have DRL, etc? Any recommended BMW dealer?

Thanks,
Steve

Haven't done a Z4, but I have done Mini Cooper S - same dealership for me here in Waterloo, so some of my info may apply. You will need the DRLs enabled (~$50 at the dealership) and you may want to have the imperial LCD readings switched to metric - again about $50. Since the Z4 is made in Spartenburg, SC, you can dodge the 6% import duties, but you'll need to grab a recall clearance letter. BMW Canada has instructed RIV not to accept a US recall clearance letter (and I couldn't find anyone at RIV that would, though otherwise RIV was quite helpful), so you'll probably wind up coughing up $500CAD for the clearance letter. If the vehicle is still under warranty, BMW Canada currently honors/honours the warranty, but you lose your free oil changes, brakes, tires, etc, etc. Given the savings, this was not a big deal to me! From all the dealers that I have questioned, you would also lose any extended CPO warranties - which is really too bad...

I haven't heard of any Canadian dealers giving customers a hard time about imported vehicles - other then the $500 fee for receiving a single faxed peice of paper!

All this is assuming that you've bought a used Z4 - if you can find a dealer that will sell you a new one, you may be able to avoid all these charges!

Brendon

[kidda]

Have anybody imported Mercedes M Series to Canada.

[DarkCat]

These EBAY lising for Z4 indicate they will sell to Canadians, contact the dealers to confirm. Ebay Link (http://motors.listings.ebay.ca/BMW_Z4_W0QQfclZ3QQfromZR13QQloglZ1QQsacatZ36469QQs ocmdZListingItemList)

Thanks for the great link!

General question for all:
Anything one should be looking out for when buying an american car via Ebay?

Thanks, DarkCat

[diigii]

Thanks for the input. little light at the end of the tunnel ;)

I spoke to Nissan USA's Consumer Affairs Dept today to get my case number. The guy I spoke to said that I don't need a case number if the car is brand new. A case number will only be set up and given to a Nissan owner if he/she bought a used car. Otherwise, if it's brand new there's no need for a case number. Nissan USA or Nissan Canada will honor the basic US warranty, no questions asked.

So, there!! US-bought brand new Nissans are covered!!

[uncle_odb]

Thanks, I'll have to try this out.

Let us know if it works for you. I'm not that brave! haa haa.

[Monsieurmaggot]

We just purchased our SF AWD Limited with Touring Package (7 pass.) for an even 27,000US$, rebates included from Washington State. The final price will be 31,000 CND$ with all the fees and taxes included.
The Canadian dealers are selling the same model for 42,400 taxes + fees included. As you can see, roughly, I just saved 11,000 $, Thank you Monsieurmaggot.

Sweet!

Well done. Welcome to the exclusive RFD Super Savers Club.

Thanks for the kind words.

I am simply passing along information. Smart RFD members like yourself are finding this stuff out on your own. There's so much money to be saved.

I came really close to buying a SF myself. That's a great vehicle.

We're nearing 600,000 hits in just over a year. In a short time this thread will be the most popular on RFDs.

Thanks to everyone. Keep spreading the word.

[diigii]

Sweet!

Well done. Welcome to the exclusive RFD Super Savers Club.

Thanks for the kind words.

I am simply passing along information. Smart RFD members like yourself are finding this stuff out on your own. There's so much money to be saved.

I came really close to buying a SF myself. That's a great vehicle.

We're nearing 600,000 hits in just over a year. In a short time this thread will be the most popular on RFDs.

Thanks to everyone. Keep spreading the word.

Monsieurmaggot, so are we still having the RFD Super Savers meet?

[flaming homer]

Not sure it if was mentioned, riv.ca has a link to CBSA's "Importation of Vehicles into Canada Seminar"

http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/events/on/scr-veh-eng.html

[HighFlyer]

Now that the car has ON plates and PST has been paid, the final tally of savings comes out to $12,900. Not bad for 9 hours of work (to drive down and back, and running around to RIV, crappy tire, and the MTO office). Easier than I thought and enjoyed the experience. I'm definitely spreading the word around. Thanks monsieurmaggot for starting this thread and everyone else for your help!

[eastsidesubaru]

Not sure it if was mentioned, riv.ca has a link to CBSA's "Importation of Vehicles into Canada Seminar"

http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/events/on/scr-veh-eng.html

Too bad it's in Ontario or I'd try to sneak in ;) Haha.

[bly]

Conspiracy in this article?

http://ctv2.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070917.wautos0917/business/Business/businessBN/ctv-business

[ffonly]

For those interested in importing a New Toyota from a dealer in the States:

If you have a relative/friend in the states, you can arrange the purchase under their name, and, more importantly, also avoid extra registration fees and US sales tax.

I just did this by picking a dealership from a different state as my relative. In this case, the dealer will just give you a temporary permit, and a copy of the MCO (Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin). This can be faxed to the US border, and will allow you to export the car without actually registering in the states or paying state sales tax. If you buy in the same state as your relative, then the dealer is pretty much obligated to register and plate the car. The out-of-state thing is crucial if you want to avoid the extra delay and cost of having to register and tranfer the car.

All the paperwork was done by courier between the dealer and my relative. I brought the payment, and picked up the vehicle. There was no need to actually physically, or financially, involve my relative in the transaction.

The trick is that you have to indicate to US customs that your relative is the purchaser/exporter and that you are the transporter. Their name will have to go on the MCO, and you cannot transfer the MCO, in the States, between individuals. It can only be transfered from a dealer to an individual, or between dealers.

Luckily, the Canadian system doesn't have the same restrictions. I drew up a simple bill of sale between my relative and myself, effective the date of pickup. I used this, along with the stamped MCO, and was able to start the RIV process under my own name, once I got the vehicle to Canada.

Essentially, I exported the vehicle from the US under my relative's name, and imported it into Canada under my name. I had no problems with insurance, or registration in Canada, pretty much disclosed everything to everyone. (Except US customs, and that was because they didn't ask!).

I saved a ton of money, and the dealer was more than happy to sell the car. Toyota has no restrictions about re-sale, so his ass was firmly covered. He even helped me with faxing things ahead of time to US customs, and getting me a service printout to prove recall clearance.

If you buy a new vehicle directly from a friend or relative in the U.S. without the vehicle being titled or registered, can't you just show u.s. customs the original mso and bill of sale from relative to you so you're the one exporting it instead of the relative being the exporter. seems easier and less risky

[KillaB]

Finally imported a Tacoma!!! Could have been a two day trip, but my dad wanted to tag along to see how the import process went and we took our time driving back.

Purchase price for my Double Cab Long Bed TRD Sport w/towing was $29,000US 'out the door'. I opted for an '08 because I couldn't buy an '07 with the configuration I wanted in white. The '08's have a couple TSB's implemented (stiffer suspension, etc.) over the '07's and should have a better resale value in the future. I could have had an '07 for $27,750 OTT (might be even better now), but as I already stated I couldn't get the color I wanted.

In total, including taxes (still need to pay PST), plane tickets, hotels, DTRL parts, and food I'm in approx $35,500

Compared to Canadian MSRP of $46,249.80 (taxes, freight, etc. included) I saved approx. $10,750CDN.

If anyone needs the name of a US dealer still selling Toyota's just send me a PM.

Thanks to crasher and Monsieurmaggot and anyone who responded to any questions I had along the way!

[scouzi]

Conspiracy in this article?

http://ctv2.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070917.wautos0917/business/Business/businessBN/ctv-business

Thanks!

I like this quote:

"Consumers should remember, this dealer said, that when the Canadian dollar was trading in the 65-cent range during the earlier part of this decade, vehicle companies didn't raise their prices in Canada to compensate"

They're so nice!

Obviously, they didn't raise prices it's because the market didn't let them!

[eastsidesubaru]

The Subaru purchase documents have arrived by UPS and the wife is signing them as we speak. At least there is a pre-paid return UPS sticker. The package includes a rather odd out-of-state delivery document attesting against all sorts of awful penalties for lying that the car has been delivered, to us in Vancouver, which it hasnt, so technically we cant sign it. And nowhere on all this stuff does it say this is exactly the model and colour we ordered - is that normal?

Also, on the phone the dealer (Eastside Subaru in Seattle) now claims to know nothing about faxing documents to the border, but the lady on the phone (the famous Zach is on hols sipping Margueritas in Mehico) rather vaguely said they will, but given the previous post, I am chasing that aggressively. There is also a major issue in getting the money to them - which I hope to solve tommorrow so more on that later. Zach is great, but I am sensing some rather negative vibes about the dealership at the present time - there is a bit too much going on trust for my liking - lets hope all goes well.

Now, more confusion on the insurance situation in BC I am afraid.

My ICBC insurance agent said that the wife (she the owner) can get a one-day "binder" for $77 to cover the car from Seattle. But she also said that immediately after crossing the border we had to get a one-day Temporary Operating Permit (TOP, $33) from the ICBC office that was open nearest to the border at the Blaine truck crossing where we have to cross (she didnt know where that was). This is the first I have heard of needing to get a TOP. She said they cant issue a TOP until the car is physically in Canada. We will need to get another one day TOP to get to Canadian Tire, but thats OK and I would glad to be at that stage right now. Its getring a bit nerve racking.

Hey Teep. Sorry to be just responding now, I am home now... I apologize that this has been stressful! We are still learning as well-- I think in the future we are going to try for money orders rather than wire transfer, since the wire transfer is proving to be a problem.... As for the out-of-state delivery, I think that's standard boilerplate to explain to Washington state why we didn't charge you sales tax... As for the exact wording on it I don't think it had this exact situation quite in mind. You should have the vin#, I can take a picture of the car for you showing the vin to assuage your fears if you'd like, it's sitting here safe and yes I know it's the color you want. :) And I don't think we have a bad reputation here. The export worksheet and the MSO has been faxed to the border. :) Everything is going to work out fine.

[orion747]

Conspiracy in this article?

http://ctv2.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070917.wautos0917/business/Business/businessBN/ctv-business

Desrosier is a fool if he thinks savings are confined to Porsches and what not. Has he not seen this thread and the $10,000 savings people are seeing here?

Who knows what kind of crazy assumptions he's using to justify his comments. That and the continued well being of his company is dependant on info from the auto manufacturers, I highly doubt he'd say anything critical to jeopardize that.

[whampoa]

Conspiracy in this article?

http://ctv2.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070917.wautos0917/business/Business/businessBN/ctv-business

I would like to take this opportunity to thanks Mr. Dennis DesRosiers for clarifying this cross-border auto buying phenomenon.

Didn't Buzz Hargrove once describe DesRosiers as the lap-dog of the Canadian Auto Dealer, and that Globe Auto is the mouthpiece of the Canadian auto industry.

Nah, I'm probably too paranoid. Just move along folks, I'm taking the red pill and follow the masses.

[CheapScotsman]

Conspiracy in this article?

http://ctv2.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070917.wautos0917/business/Business/businessBN/ctv-business

Swamp em guys ... Feedback goes here: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070917.wautos0917/BNStory/robNews/

[HighFlyer]

Conspiracy in this article?

http://ctv2.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070917.wautos0917/business/Business/businessBN/ctv-business

I'll just print this out and use it to line the bird cage

[eastsidesubaru]

Average difference is under $300?
Wow, I'd like to have whatever it is they are on...

[johnsa]

Swamp em guys ... Feedback goes here: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070917.wautos0917/BNStory/robNews/



Just crapped on them with RFD reality!

[uncle_odb]

Average difference is under $300?
Wow, I'd like to have whatever it is they are on...

No kidding Zach! What the heck are they smoking?

Yikes, gimme gimme too!

[Louist]

The list of who got screwed in this beautifull free trade market we live in. LOST 6384, gained the right to complain for the next 5 years about how Audi Canada sucks ass though. :)

I don't blame the dealer I bought at, their hands are tied, and they did dig deep on the price (although coming up with 6k is not ever gonna happen)...Audi Canada/usa are the ones to really blame for their non compete policys. If I had actually saved the money, I would have less to complain about. Maybe the Karma will come back to me another way, because it was pure charity to buy the car here.

[fatjoe]

"Just bought a used 2005 Suzuki Boulevard from Buffalo from a private sale for my friend.
Last edited by crasher : Sep 17th, 2007 at 11:11 AM. Reason: Added details"

Hey Crasher, what kind of paper work you got from the seller to show US customs?

I'm thinking of buying a used vehicle from US also.

Thanks

[crasher]

"Just bought a used 2005 Suzuki Boulevard from Buffalo from a private sale for my friend.
Last edited by crasher : Sep 17th, 2007 at 11:11 AM. Reason: Added details"

Hey Crasher, what kind of paper work you got from the seller to show US customs?

I'm thinking of buying a used vehicle from US also.

Thanks

Well this being my first experience in importing used vehicle, I cannt say yet. I am only helping my friend. We already got title from seller, and faxed it to US export office. Will call them if it OK I will post here. BTW Suzuki Bulevard is Bike:D

[brendonp]

"Just bought a used 2005 Suzuki Boulevard from Buffalo from a private sale for my friend.
Last edited by crasher : Sep 17th, 2007 at 11:11 AM. Reason: Added details"

Hey Crasher, what kind of paper work you got from the seller to show US customs?

I'm thinking of buying a used vehicle from US also.

Thanks

Fatjoe - I bought from a private party in the US - I had a Bill of Sale (drafted off the internet) and the title to the car - both were presented at the border. I also had the Certificate of Origin, which I wasn't necessary (at least no one looked at it), but the seller had it so he gave it to me.

Brendon

[teep]

Progress report on importing the new Subie Outback. From Zach. Who is back.

It has proved quite a drawn out process, but now looks like its into final stages. Estimated savings will be around $10,000.

ICBC insurance here in BC ended up needing trips to three agents till we found one that knew anything. We have the binder for comprehensive for 10 days - cost 87 bucks. We were told we CANNOT buy the storage-on-your-drive insurance for the time while waiting for the inspection until the car is actually here in Canada (Hmm - how would they know?).

Wiring the money took just ten minutes at the bank. We had to go in person, but it cost only 30 bucks total and included some special security check for a sum over $10k (hence the need for an actual bank visit I think). And we got a way better rate than we had planned as the $ is a rising again. Zach says there may be problem at the US end, but I dont know why - the dough was sucked out of my bank account a week ago now (so who has it in the meantime then?).

The car should get picked up by worthy bro-in-law on Friday. More news once the Subie is safely here in Canada!

And more grateful thanks to Monsieurmaggot for starting this thread - and others such as Uncle-odb who have generously responded with info and advice. We would not have embarked on this without all this reassuring info. I guess I am the original 'cav'man in caveat emptor; mighty cautious where parting with hard earned money is concerned.

[eastsidesubaru]

Zach says there may be problem at the US end, but I dont know why - the dough was sucked out of my bank account a week ago now (so who has it in the meantime then?).

Sorry, I think I wasn't clear.. I meant in general, not in your case. (Was referring more to the problems uncle_odb had). We have your money...

[Kamloops]

DesRosiers is an ass. He wrote this in 2006 and now the difference is even more. I think he is bipolar maybe?

July 4, 2006

Special Feature - Canada/U.S. vehicle price differences: why Canadians pay more
By Dennis Desrosiers
http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/dd/canada-usa_price_differential.htm

http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/dd/images/us-ca_table2.gif

[MVP1]

What is this new green fee? Do they charge it on every vehicle with a V8?

[icecom]

Can successful Hyundai US purchasers PM me your sales rep contact? I got a couple of quotes from a couple dealers who work from MSRP less 1000 competitive incentive, I think it should be invoice less 1000. Am I right? Thanks.

[AllWheelDrift]

I don't blame the dealer I bought at, their hands are tied, and they did dig deep on the price (although coming up with 6k is not ever gonna happen)...Audi Canada/usa are the ones to really blame for their non compete policys.
Actually, I think the real problem is Audi Canada/USA aren't seperate entities. AFAIK it's "Audi of America" which runs both Canada and the US so of course they're not going to want their USA dealers selling to Canadians for a lower price.

[tzcnd]

Conspiracy in this article?

http://ctv2.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070917.wautos0917/business/Business/businessBN/ctv-business

I could post what I really think of Desrosiers and his BS but someone would probably report my post and I would be banned.

I guess this guy must have been sniffing glue before he made his comments. Only an idiot would believe his and the crap in this article.

Desrosiers go back to that cespool that you just climbed out of.

The Globe and Mail isn't even good enough to line a bird cage.

[michelb]

Actually, I think the real problem is Audi Canada/USA aren't seperate entities. AFAIK it's "Audi of America" which runs both Canada and the US so of course they're not going to want their USA dealers selling to Canadians for a lower price.

You sure they aren't separate? They have:

Audi Canada
Corporate Headquarters
777 Bayly Street West
Ajax, Ontario L1S 7G7

and

Audi of America
Corporate Headquarters
3800 Hamlin Road
Auburn Hills, MI 48326

[diigii]

You sure they aren't separate? They have:

Audi Canada
Corporate Headquarters
777 Bayly Street West
Ajax, Ontario L1S 7G7

and

Audi of America
Corporate Headquarters
3800 Hamlin Road
Auburn Hills, MI 48326

They might have separate office locations but Audi Of America runs Audi Of Canada operations. The Canadian office is just a satellite office of the US office. I read that in numerous newspaper/magazine reports. Same with Porsche Of America running Porsche operations in Canada.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I could post what I really think of Desrosiers and his BS but someone would probably report my post and I would be banned.

I guess this guy must have been sniffing glue before he made his comments. Only an idiot would believe his and the crap in this article.

Desrosiers go back to that cespool that you just climbed out of.

The Globe and Mail isn't even good enough to line a bird cage.

I couldn't pass it up, I added my two cents to the comments section of the article. Curious to see if it stays up or gets edited.

[diigii]

I couldn't pass it up, I added my two cents to the comments section of the article. Curious to see if it stays up or gets edited.

Monsieurmaggot, is this how you wrote it? Or has it been edited already?

"The story is misleading and IMHO leaves a lot of doubt in the consumers' mind. I recently purchased a loaded 3.0R Subaru Outback LLBean in Buffalo NY. The vehicle is not considered a high-end vehicle by any stretch. There is NO US sales tax payable. There is NO duty on the vehicle either. The cost to import was $200. I paid the usual PST, GST and A/C tax when I brought it across. I couldn't believe that there was such a huge price disparity on the Subarus. There are plenty of sites online that explain the import process quite easily. (www.riv.ca) Sites like www.cars101.com or my favourite at http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=307601 clearly show how easily the process actually is. There are literally hundreds of people who are sharing their import experiences online. My savings (using .87 cent dollars) was slightly over $17,000. Now with a .98 dollar, you can get the same vehicle for $30,300 Canadian (plus taxes) Price a Subaru Outback here in Canada. First of all, the LLBean trim level isn't offered. The Premiere edition in Canada doesn't have two-tone perforated leather seats. I was charged $520 US dollars for accessories that totalled $3200 in Canada. The PDI is also $900 cheaper in the US. A similarly equipped vehicle would cost you well over $58,000 when suitably equipped. Judging from the reaction to this article, if consumers do their research, they'd see Mr. DesRosiers comments are misleading and don't present all the facts."

[Monsieurmaggot]

Monsieurmaggot, is this how you wrote it? Or has it been edited already?

"The story is misleading and IMHO leaves a lot of doubt in the consumers' mind. I recently purchased a loaded 3.0R Subaru Outback LLBean in Buffalo NY. The vehicle is not considered a high-end vehicle by any stretch. There is NO US sales tax payable. There is NO duty on the vehicle either. The cost to import was $200. I paid the usual PST, GST and A/C tax when I brought it across. I couldn't believe that there was such a huge price disparity on the Subarus. There are plenty of sites online that explain the import process quite easily. (www.riv.ca) Sites like www.cars101.com or my favourite at http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=307601 clearly show how easily the process actually is. There are literally hundreds of people who are sharing their import experiences online. My savings (using .87 cent dollars) was slightly over $17,000. Now with a .98 dollar, you can get the same vehicle for $30,300 Canadian (plus taxes) Price a Subaru Outback here in Canada. First of all, the LLBean trim level isn't offered. The Premiere edition in Canada doesn't have two-tone perforated leather seats. I was charged $520 US dollars for accessories that totalled $3200 in Canada. The PDI is also $900 cheaper in the US. A similarly equipped vehicle would cost you well over $58,000 when suitably equipped. Judging from the reaction to this article, if consumers do their research, they'd see Mr. DesRosiers comments are misleading and don't present all the facts."

That's pretty well it.

Good to see it's still there as I typed it.

[uncle_odb]

Progress report on importing the new Subie Outback. From Zach. Who is back.

It has proved quite a drawn out process, but now looks like its into final stages. Estimated savings will be around $10,000.

ICBC insurance here in BC ended up needing trips to three agents till we found one that knew anything. We have the binder for comprehensive for 10 days - cost 87 bucks. We were told we CANNOT buy the storage-on-your-drive insurance for the time while waiting for the inspection until the car is actually here in Canada (Hmm - how would they know?).

Wiring the money took just ten minutes at the bank. We had to go in person, but it cost only 30 bucks total and included some special security check for a sum over $10k (hence the need for an actual bank visit I think). And we got a way better rate than we had planned as the $ is a rising again. Zach says there may be problem at the US end, but I dont know why - the dough was sucked out of my bank account a week ago now (so who has it in the meantime then?).

The car should get picked up by worthy bro-in-law on Friday. More news once the Subie is safely here in Canada!

And more grateful thanks to Monsieurmaggot for starting this thread - and others such as Uncle-odb who have generously responded with info and advice. We would not have embarked on this without all this reassuring info. I guess I am the original 'cav'man in caveat emptor; mighty cautious where parting with hard earned money is concerned.

Hi Teep,

I'm glad your near the home stretch! I'm also glad your bank trip was much faster than mine. Mine was about 1.5 hours. I think Eastside Subaru has streamlined their process, which is good to hear. Once money has left your bank account, it should only take about a day to hit their bank account in the states. You can always call the dealership to confirm receipt of the funds. As Zach stated, they have confirmed that they have your money. Your almost there. Did you email the Blaine Truck Crossing to check on the progress of your export?

blaine-export@customs.treas.gov

They will email you back with your export date or let you know if there are any problems. Teep, I feel the same way about parting with my money. Just have some trust and faith in a large dealership. My brother in law bought a Subie last year from Joe Spitz at Carter Subaru, and they do wire transfers as well. So a level of trust is needed.

Cheers!

[diigii]

That's pretty well it.

Good to see it's still there as I typed it.

I just posted my comment as well.

[Duffydog]

How this benefits the Canadian economy when you are taking money out of the economy.

I would think that the strong dollar is the biggest factor in all of this when the dollar was week the manufactures artificially lowered the price in the Canadian market which made it much more attractive for people in the US to grab the cars up here and take them back and sell at a profit. There was a time when all of the SUV's that were coming through auction where bought by US dealers. It is the ebb and flow of the dollar. If you notice a lot more US cars are appearing at domestic dealers I was at a ford dealer and they had a bunch of Mercury Mountainers that are/were not ever sold in Canada.

I understand that the money savings is great and I would probably do it as well, but I think it hurts the Canadian economy as much as helps...

The higher the price of the car the bigger the gap is...

just my .02

[flaming homer]

How this benefits the Canadian economy when you are taking money out of the economy.

I would think that the strong dollar is the biggest factor in all of this when the dollar was week the manufactures artificially lowered the price in the Canadian market which made it much more attractive for people in the US to grab the cars up here and take them back and sell at a profit. There was a time when all of the SUV's that were coming through auction where bought by US dealers. It is the ebb and flow of the dollar. If you notice a lot more US cars are appearing at domestic dealers I was at a ford dealer and they had a bunch of Mercury Mountainers that are/were not ever sold in Canada.

I understand that the money savings is great and I would probably do it as well, but I think it hurts the Canadian economy as much as helps...

The higher the price of the car the bigger the gap is...

just my .02I can tell you I am not hurting the Canadian Economy.

I am buying a Lexus RX 350, made in Cambridge, Ontario.

Unless the auto workers in Cambridge are paid more for cars sold to Canada than US, I am not hurting them.

I may be hurting Canadian Lexus dealers, but I'm not hurting the economy.

[FX Guy]

Hey guys!

The one thing that NO ONE has mentioned (both in this form and in Magazine articles) is. Where are you exchanging your money (CAD-USD) etc...?

Selecting the right FX broker can save you $500-2000.


Tyson

[flaming homer]

Hey guys!

The one thing that NO ONE has mentioned (both in this form and in Magazine articles) is. Where are you exchanging your money (CAD-USD) etc...?

Selecting the right FX broker can save you $500-2000.


TysonSpam ?

xe.net (XETRADE) sufficies most people's needs

Interactive Brokers (Canadian site not showing up properly) while difficult to deal with, gets you AMAZING rates http://www.interactivebrokers.ca/en/main.php

Spam ? FX Guy ? Spam ?

[michelb]

Hey guys!

The one thing that NO ONE has mentioned (both in this form and in Magazine articles) is. Where are you exchanging your money (CAD-USD) etc...?

Selecting the right FX broker can save you $500-2000.


Tyson

Actually, this has been discussed many, many times. Just do a seach in the forum for xe.com and you'll see a bunch. (Although if you are saving $2000 from the exchange, you're either spending a whole lot of money or you're really getting screwed)

[Duffydog]

I am to lazy to search but is the warranty valid if you take it out of country?

found this nugget as well.

You also need to consider whether the car meets Canadian automobile standards, such as having the speedometer in kilometers (KM). If not you will be provided a temporary permit that gives you 45 days to bring your car up to code. Otherwise you will not be able to license the car in Canada.

The car must either be returned to the U.S. for warranty repairs, or the owner can have the car repaired by a Subaru dealer in Canada, pay for it in full, and submit the bill to Subaru U.S. for re-imbursement

from http://www.apa.ca/template.asp?DocID=253#SUBARU

[diigii]

How this benefits the Canadian economy when you are taking money out of the economy.

I would think that the strong dollar is the biggest factor in all of this when the dollar was week the manufactures artificially lowered the price in the Canadian market which made it much more attractive for people in the US to grab the cars up here and take them back and sell at a profit. There was a time when all of the SUV's that were coming through auction where bought by US dealers. It is the ebb and flow of the dollar. If you notice a lot more US cars are appearing at domestic dealers I was at a ford dealer and they had a bunch of Mercury Mountainers that are/were not ever sold in Canada.

I understand that the money savings is great and I would probably do it as well, but I think it hurts the Canadian economy as much as helps...

The higher the price of the car the bigger the gap is...

just my .02

Do you think the profit that manufacturers make from every car they sell stays here in Canada? FYI, Nissan does not have a factory here in Canada. So I don't know why I'm hurting the Canadian economy when the car I bought was built in the US with 65% US-Canadian parts content. I actually supported the parts manufacturers here in Canada.

[DarkCat]

I can tell you I am not hurting the Canadian Economy.
I am buying a Lexus RX 350, made in Cambridge, Ontario.
Unless the auto workers in Cambridge are paid more for cars sold to Canada
than US, I am not hurting them.
I may be hurting Canadian Lexus dealers, but I'm not hurting the economy.

Don't know how far you've gotten on your RX350
(yes I will also be going for one - eventually!),
but I saw this RX350 (http://cgi.ebay.ca/Lexus-RX-350-STUNNING-FL-CAR-ONLY-885-MILES-DEALERS-WELCOME_W0QQitemZ220149687372QQihZ012QQcategoryZ13 474QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) on eBay. Only 885 miles on it for $36k!

Are there any reasons why one shd avoid eBay car auctions?
It certainly looks like a reasonable alternative to all the
Toyota/Lexus dealers asking you to pound sand...?

[Kamloops]

I just posted my comment as well.

I tried but -
Comments are closed

Thanks for your interest in commenting on this article, however we are no longer accepting submissions.

[flaming homer]

Don't know how far you've gotten on your RX350
(yes I will also be going for one - eventually!),
but I saw this RX350 (http://cgi.ebay.ca/Lexus-RX-350-STUNNING-FL-CAR-ONLY-885-MILES-DEALERS-WELCOME_W0QQitemZ220149687372QQihZ012QQcategoryZ13 474QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) on eBay. Only 885 miles on it for $36k!

Are there any reasons why one shd avoid eBay car auctions?
It certainly looks like a reasonable alternative to all the
Toyota/Lexus dealers asking you to pound sand...?I don't have any reasons for you to avoid Ebay auctions in general, but I wanted a new one. The ebay link you have does not clearly specify if it is a FWD or AWD model (they sell both types in the US). MSRP for new AWD is US$ 38,800

[diigii]

Conspiracy in this article?

http://ctv2.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070917.wautos0917/business/Business/businessBN/ctv-business

Globe and Mail just closed the comment section. I guess they HEARD enough from people who saved. Or they probably realized they forgot what journalism is all about: impartiality. I don't blame them. They started an Auto section and its contents suck, actually!

[rfd_DD]

Just noticed that cbc.ca has published a similar misinformed article on their site citing industry insider DesRosiers.

There is no comments section on the site but, you can send feedback to help cbc see the error of their ways!

http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/... (http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2007/09/18/cars-crossborder.html?ref=rss)

[eastsidesubaru]

Hi Teep,

I'm glad your near the home stretch! I'm also glad your bank trip was much faster than mine. Mine was about 1.5 hours. I think Eastside Subaru has streamlined their process, which is good to hear. Once money has left your bank account, it should only take about a day to hit their bank account in the states. You can always call the dealership to confirm receipt of the funds. As Zach stated, they have confirmed that they have your money. Your almost there. Did you email the Blaine Truck Crossing to check on the progress of your export?

blaine-export@customs.treas.gov

They will email you back with your export date or let you know if there are any problems. Teep, I feel the same way about parting with my money. Just have some trust and faith in a large dealership. My brother in law bought a Subie last year from Joe Spitz at Carter Subaru, and they do wire transfers as well. So a level of trust is needed.

Cheers!

I've been talking w/ Blaine on the phone and they are very busy but they told me the email address is actually cbp.blaine-export@dhs.gov .. If you email them the yr/make/model/vin/date export packet was submitted/state from which certificate of origin (MSO) was issued and name of transport company (if any)... That is supposedly how you check on the status.. I am still waiting for a response from them. :)

[karl_at_vanbortel]

RFD Get Together Ideas Needed!!!

Hey everyone! I would like to announce the Van Bortel Subaru Red Flag Deals Appreciation Get Together. Kitty Van Bortel and I would like to thank everyone that has not only purchased a car from us but been so instrumental in assisting in others' purchases.

I would love as much input as possible from you guys. I would like to do this in October or November and on a Sunday if possible. We will provide a couple of new Subaru's to display, food and drink, and anything else you might suggest.

Please e-mail me (not PM) with any suggestions for locations, times, etc. I look forward to hearing everyone soon!

Karl

sales@vanbortelsubaru.com

[Monsieurmaggot]

I am to lazy to search but is the warranty valid if you take it out of country?

found this nugget as well.

You also need to consider whether the car meets Canadian automobile standards, such as having the speedometer in kilometers (KM). If not you will be provided a temporary permit that gives you 45 days to bring your car up to code. Otherwise you will not be able to license the car in Canada.

The car must either be returned to the U.S. for warranty repairs, or the owner can have the car repaired by a Subaru dealer in Canada, pay for it in full, and submit the bill to Subaru U.S. for re-imbursement

from http://www.apa.ca/template.asp?DocID=253#SUBARU

Gotta have all the facts before comments are made:

Aside from Daytime Running Lights. the VAST MAJORITY of US cars don't need any modifications whatsoever. The speedometre DOESN'T need to have any metric markings. If it doesn't, stickers are provided by RIV. RIV spells out what exactly is required. In the case of Subarus (many of us imported them) NOTHING is required. Others on this site can comment about their particular manufacturers' modifications. I have yet to read that anyone needed any serious work.

The Canadian dealers like to shed that doubt in the conversation much the same way they plug the perceived "lack of warranty".

If you're speaking about Subaru warranties, only the 2008s have the change in warranty coverage. You're still covered just need to do some extra work. If you have a 2007 model, the warranty is completely transferable in Canada.

Submitting an invoice to the US for a reimbursement is far easier than importing a car. Many of us on this site won't bat an eye about that.

When you're saving $20,000 who really cares about warranties anyway?

[HighFlyer]

Just noticed that cbc.ca has published a similar misinformed article on their site citing industry insider DesRosiers.



"If you deep dive into this analysis you would find that there is a Canada - U.S. price differential of approximately $1,000 spread across two-thirds of the market. In most cases, the price differential is getting smaller despite an even stronger dollar this year," he said.
emphasis mine. what a way to put a spin on this :mad:

[Flavour]

dollar is 98.35 and rising. as someone said, once it reaches 1.01 and people don't have to do the conversion factor any more, it will be that much easier for them to see how much we are getting ripped off. the manufacturers will have to change their prices if they want to move any new product.

[diigii]

dollar is 98.35 and rising. as someone said, once it reaches 1.01 and people don't have to do the conversion factor any more, it will be that much easier for them to see how much we are getting ripped off. the manufacturers will have to change their prices if they want to move any new product.

Cue the Jaws theme and turn up the volume. The Federal Reserve has just cut the US interest rate. You all know what that means for our dollar. Last time I checked, it's at 1.0147 or US$0.9855 .

Oh just imagine the savings!!! :cheesygri

[uncle_odb]

I've been talking w/ Blaine on the phone and they are very busy but they told me the email address is actually cbp.blaine-export@dhs.gov .. If you email them the yr/make/model/vin/date export packet was submitted/state from which certificate of origin (MSO) was issued and name of transport company (if any)... That is supposedly how you check on the status.. I am still waiting for a response from them. :)

Hi Zach,

Hopefully they update their information packet with their new email address, or maybe they have multiple email addresses. I used the old email address with no problems. Zach, if you want a copy of their information packet, let me know and I'll email it to you.

Cheers!

[michelb]

Cue the Jaws theme and turn up the volume. The Federal Reserve has just cut the US interest rate. You all know what that means for our dollar. Last time I checked, it's at 1.0147 or US$0.9855 .

Oh just imagine the savings!!! :cheesygri

The only thing that sucks with the exchange is that even when (if) the CND$ hits $1.00US, we'll still be paying a bit over the top to the bank :mad: We have to work at getting the US dealers to accept CND$ !!!

Right now I'm seeing 1.0226CND for 1US on TDBorderless.

[HighFlyer]

The only thing that sucks with the exchange is that even when (if) the CND$ hits $1.00US, we'll still be paying a bit over the top to the bank :mad: We have to work at getting the US dealers to accept CND$ !!!

Right now I'm seeing 1.0226CND for 1US on TDBorderless.
Exchange rate fees are the cost of doing business. All we can do is shop around for the lowest bid/ask spread. If US dealers accept CAD, you can bet that they'll build it into the cost of your car. At least currently, you can do your own comparision costs.

1.0226 on a 1.013 spot rate is quite fair.

[imbane]

The only thing that sucks with the exchange is that even when (if) the CND$ hits $1.00US, we'll still be paying a bit over the top to the bank :mad: We have to work at getting the US dealers to accept CND$ !!!

Right now I'm seeing 1.0226CND for 1US on TDBorderless.

I just came back from TD bank, 0.9931 CND for 1 US if you want to sell US$.

[ChemicalBoy]

I have shopped around and find that calforex is offering the best rate, and one can take a bank draft and they will create you another one in draft again, so that one can just fedex or purolator it the draft over, cost only $31.61 Cdn.
I also have td borderless but I dont really think they have the best rate.

[michelb]

I have shopped around and find that calforex is offering the best rate, and one can take a bank draft and they will create you another one in draft again, so that one can just fedex or purolator it the draft over, cost only $31.61 Cdn.
I also have td borderless but I dont really think they have the best rate.

Don't know about calforex but I know that xe.com has better rates than TDBorderless however it's really not a big difference (I think TDBorderless does rate +- 0.01 and xe.com might do rate +- 0.007). I think on $25k, the difference is under $100 so for me, it's just more convenient doing it with TD.

[ChemicalBoy]

Don't know about calforex but I know that xe.com has better rates than TDBorderless however it's really not a big difference (I think TDBorderless does rate +- 0.01 and xe.com might do rate +- 0.007). I think on $25k, the difference is under $100 so for me, it's just more convenient doing it with TD.

If you have xe set up then its good [I don't], but one still has to wait for the money to transfer from xe etc. I understand the convenience of TD, but saving a $100 is still good money I could put in another $100 and buy a flight to Seattle and isn't this thread all about saving money :D
Also for my case it pretty much like walking across the street and getting $100 off rather than sitting at home on a pc to transfer the money.

[HighFlyer]

How this benefits the Canadian economy when you are taking money out of the economy.

I would think that the strong dollar is the biggest factor in all of this when the dollar was week the manufactures artificially lowered the price in the Canadian market which made it much more attractive for people in the US to grab the cars up here and take them back and sell at a profit. There was a time when all of the SUV's that were coming through auction where bought by US dealers. It is the ebb and flow of the dollar. If you notice a lot more US cars are appearing at domestic dealers I was at a ford dealer and they had a bunch of Mercury Mountainers that are/were not ever sold in Canada.

I understand that the money savings is great and I would probably do it as well, but I think it hurts the Canadian economy as much as helps...

The higher the price of the car the bigger the gap is...

just my .02

The subie that I bought in the US was "Team Crafted" in Indiana. The subie that I would have bought in Canada is also "Team Crafted" in Indiana. Except now, I have about $13K in savings that could go into building a deck (employs BC forestry workers) or other major purchases that actually help the Canadian economy. The only Canadian entity affected are the dealers... which there is no love lost.

[Louist]

The argument that is used by manufacturers...well when the dolar hit 65 cents we did not raise car prices...well actually they did, a few percent a year...and it went from 80 to 65. Well now it is not at 80...it is 99. The arguement works great if the dollar was at 80 or even 90 cents, but this is now gouging with the 99 cent dollar.

Sure have some payback for the bad years, but not like this. Lower prices to reflect a 85 cent dollar and split the difference with us poor Canadians...even then many will go down to the US and save 7k instead of 15k.

I expect our dollar to hit as high as 1.10 then trade between 1.02 and 1.10 all of next year and in the near term of 5 years out. There is absolutely no way that we will see even a 90 cent dolar in the next 5 years. We are in need of rate hikes as US is in need of rate cuts...the cycle is gonna be here for a long time .

[Duffydog]

= CDN economy in the dumps...In my business (Computers) 3 years ago we did 40% of our business (for our canadian facility) into the US that has now dropped to less than 20%. Has to most manufacturing industry and tourism.

Need that 80 cent level.

I am not against buying in the US just seeing if they're any potentially bumps in the road so to speak.

Strike while the iron is hot the gov won't let it go on forever.

I have brought boats in in the past (Used) and had no issues and have been able to make a few bucks along the way...

Cheers...

[DSTU]

:lol: = CDN economy in the dumps...In my business (Computers) 3 years ago we did 40% of our business (for our canadian facility) into the US that has now dropped to less than 20%. Has to most manufacturing industry and tourism.

Need that 80 cent level.

I am not against buying in the US just seeing if they're any potentially bumps in the road so to speak.

Strike while the iron is hot the gov won't let it go on forever.

I have brought boats in in the past (Used) and had no issues and have been able to make a few bucks along the way...

Cheers...

LOL

The Canadian Economy is at an all-time high baby, just that you haven't improved your productivity.

[eastsidesubaru]

Hi Zach,

Hopefully they update their information packet with their new email address, or maybe they have multiple email addresses. I used the old email address with no problems. Zach, if you want a copy of their information packet, let me know and I'll email it to you.

Cheers!

I have an info packet from them... is it the one that says "Blaine Vehicle Export Team Fax"?? It says cbp.blaine-export@dhs.gov on it as well so I think it is updated now.
Also, they are pretty quick it seems via email.. It only took them about 45 minutes after I re-faxed my documents for them to confirm they got them and all is well.

Also Karl, great idea... I was thinking of doing something similar, but in Vancouver since I doubt RFD'rs would cross the border and drive 3 hours for food and refreshment ;) However logistically seems like it will be tough...

[whampoa]

:lol:

LOL

The Canadian Economy is at an all-time high baby, just that you haven't improved your productivity.

It's not as simple as improving your productivity, especially if the CAD keep rising this high, in a short period of time.

You can have all the productivity you want, but the facts remain many small domestic manufacturers are struggling to stay afloat in this difficult time.

In the end, the economies of supply and demand will eventually comes to an equilibrium.

[uncle_odb]

I have an info packet from them... is it the one that says "Blaine Vehicle Export Team Fax"?? It says cbp.blaine-export@dhs.gov on it as well so I think it is updated now.
Also, they are pretty quick it seems via email.. It only took them about 45 minutes after I re-faxed my documents for them to confirm they got them and all is well.

Also Karl, great idea... I was thinking of doing something similar, but in Vancouver since I doubt RFD'rs would cross the border and drive 3 hours for food and refreshment ;) However logistically seems like it will be tough...

Hi Zach,

Thanks for the update email address. I've amended my instructions, so I'll know in the future.

That would be nice, having a RFD get together. It would be nice to finally meet you since when I picked up my Tribeca, you weren't in the office yet. But Becca was nice enough to help me out.

Cheers.

[jadeboy]

can anyone shed light on the RIV list for 2008 Toyota/Lexus admissable vehicles?

I've called RIV twice.

The first lady, an older one, explains to me that list for 2008 is currently being updated. She sort of opened up a case file for me and asked for my name and vehicle I am looking at. Basically she said that in most cases the vehicle I am looking at would be admissable and that I can open up a case and they would be able to look at the approval as a single case.

However, the second time I called, a younger lady answered.. sounded like a student. She told me that if the vehicle is not on the list, it is not admissable.

Seems like different answers to different people I talk to. If its the issue about engine immobilizer.. the vehicle I am looking already has one

Any thoughts?

OK.. I phone riv.ca, I got a man, he seems tried and didn't want to help. I asked him about a 2008 Lexus IS 350. He said it was not importable, and he doesn't know when it will be importable.

What car are your importing? If the older lady said it's importable.. get her name.

[longdong]

Do they have any opening hours ? or we can bring the imported car anytime to the border and then they can take care of the imported car ?

[HighFlyer]

the US customs export office at lewiston is only open 9-4 on weekdays.

[diigii]

the US customs export office at lewiston is only open 9-4 on weekdays.

Make that 9-4 BUSINESS days because they are closed on holidays that fall on a weekday.

[Symcrapico]

Does anyone know if there is a difference between the Legacy 2.5 GT Sedan (canadian version) and the Legacy 2.5 GT Limited Edition (US version)?

They seem to be identical, but i just want a confirmation.

[eastsidesubaru]

Does anyone know if there is a difference between the Legacy 2.5 GT Sedan (canadian version) and the Legacy 2.5 GT Limited Edition (US version)?

They seem to be identical, but i just want a confirmation.

The canada one costs like 11 grand more? ;) ... Kmh on the odometer instead of miles on the odometer...

[diigii]

Does anyone know if there is a difference between the Legacy 2.5 GT Sedan (canadian version) and the Legacy 2.5 GT Limited Edition (US version)?

They seem to be identical, but i just want a confirmation.

When I looked at that car last August, I found that the US-spec car does not have the fog lights, spoiler, mud guards and engine block heater as standard features. Otherwise, the difference is in the price. I think it was around $9,000 when I did my research. I don't know about now as they might have changed for the 2008 model year. I guess you can check both Subaru USA and Subaru Canada websites to compare.

[shopper-X]

Does anyone know if there is a difference between the Legacy 2.5 GT Sedan (canadian version) and the Legacy 2.5 GT Limited Edition (US version)?

They seem to be identical, but i just want a confirmation.

You have to fillup in gallons, liters will not work. (sorry could not resist)

[Kamloops]

I am thinking og buyed a used dirtbike in Washington, I guess same rules apply for title?

I wont be insuring it

[Symcrapico]

The canada one costs like 11 grand more? ;) ... Kmh on the odometer instead of miles on the odometer...

Mmm, I would say more like 15 grand more! On the US site, it starts at 28295$US =28705$CAD and on the Canadian site, it starts at 44995$CAD, giving a difference of 16290$! :lol:

And also, here in Quebec, I would pay the taxes on 28705$ and not 44995$, so only the taxes on the difference is at least 2000$!

Cant wait to drive south! (I should be a Legacy owner by the end of november)

[michelb]

Does anyone know if there is a difference between the Legacy 2.5 GT Sedan (canadian version) and the Legacy 2.5 GT Limited Edition (US version)?

They seem to be identical, but i just want a confirmation.

When I looked at that car last August, I found that the US-spec car does not have the fog lights, spoiler, mud guards and engine block heater as standard features. Otherwise, the difference is in the price. I think it was around $9,000 when I did my research. I don't know about now as they might have changed for the 2008 model year. I guess you can check both Subaru USA and Subaru Canada websites to compare.

If you are looking at the 2.5GT Limited, any reason why you're not considering the 3.0 R Limited (US only)? Doesn't look like a big difference in price.

[stevepirso]

O.K. so after spending the better part of the day raeding through this forum I am 100% ready to buy a Subaru Outback in Buffalo (although my wife is leaning towards a CR-V).

I have contacted a guy from a dealership but I'm open to other dealers who people have had good results with.

I think I have gotten my head around the import process. The only hurdle I seem to have is my Insurance. My insurance carrier (TDinsurance) told me they will not insure the car until I have:
Custom papers
Bill of Sale
Ontario ownership

How have others insured there new U.S cars until the get back to Ontario?

Any help would be greatly appriciated - thanks in advance.

cheers,
steve

P.S. Can't wait to get the car and start bragging to the buddies.

[michelb]

Mmm, I would say more like 15 grand more! On the US site, it starts at 28295$US =28705$CAD and on the Canadian site, it starts at 44995$CAD, giving a difference of 16290$! :lol:

And also, here in Quebec, I would pay the taxes on 28705$ and not 44995$, so only the taxes on the difference is at least 2000$!

Cant wait to drive south! (I should be a Legacy owner by the end of november)

I don't think you're comparing the same trim; in Canada 'SpecB' is 44995, GT Sedan is $40295. In the US 'SpecB' is 33995, 2.5 GT Limited is 28295, 3.0 R Limited is $31295. No idea if they are similar equipped or not ...

[tzcnd]

O.K. so after spending the better part of the day raeding through this forum I am 100% ready to buy a Subaru Outback in Buffalo (although my wife is leaning towards a CR-V).

I have contacted a guy from a dealership but I'm open to other dealers who people have had good results with.

I think I have gotten my head around the import process. The only hurdle I seem to have is my Insurance. My insurance carrier (TDinsurance) told me they will not insure the car until I have:
Custom papers
Bill of Sale
Ontario ownership

How have others insured there new U.S cars until the get back to Ontario?

Any help would be greatly appriciated - thanks in advance.

cheers,
steve

P.S. Can't wait to get the car and start bragging to the buddies.


Dump TD Insurance they are morons. My brother-in-law is having a real struggle with them over a house insurance claim. May have to get the lawyers involved. My broker said that they are cheaper than most companies but will make your life a living hell if you ever have a claim.

All my broker wanted was a bill of sale showing what I paid and the VIN number and I had a temporary insurance slip two minutes later. No problems, no hassle.

Look elsewhere (other than TD) for insurance and in the end i'm sure you'll be happier.

[Symcrapico]

I don't think you're comparing the same trim; in Canada 'SpecB' is 44995, GT Sedan is $40295. In the US 'SpecB' is 33995, 2.5 GT Limited is 28295, 3.0 R Limited is $31295. No idea if they are similar equipped or not ...

Yeah my bad its more like 11000$ plus the crazy canadian 1500$ preparation fee!

Also for the 3.0R, thanks for the tip, I never really though about it before now. You just made me realize that it came with GPS Nav!

[bcbud]

While researching American car prices (plus this thread) I check out if it would be as much a savings to import a QUAD ATV as well as the requirements for doing so. Low and behold with savings that I can get when I buy a car from the states I can buy top of the line quad down south. As I am interested in a pickup truck I can buy the truck and ATV at the same time as the importing requirement are very similiar (plus I save on Shipping either or both). Found a good article on importing an ATV for those interested:

http://vehicleimportation.ca/

** Note: This is just a temporary holding place for this article. In the future this site will contain information on importing all types of vehicles into Canada.
Discussion Forum
Importing an ATV from the United States
Introduction
I see the question being asked more and more lately... "How hard is it to import a quad from the U.S.?"
Well, here is my experience.
When I sold my Honda Rancher AT, I knew that the next quad I wanted to purchase was a Rubicon. I called around to some of the local dealers for pricing and found that the average price before taxes and dealer fees was $9600, close to $11000 after taxes... out of my price range.
I then did some searching on the Quads.ca forums and found a thread about a wholesaler in Delta that sold imported quads. I called them up to get a price on the Rubicon... $8699; cheaper than the dealers but close to $10000 after taxes, and once again a bit out of my budget.
I then remembered about a couple of threads in regards to importing quads from the US. I read the threads a few times and wondered how much money I could save by going this route. The first place I thought about checking was eBay. I found that there were a few dealers selling brand new Honda Rubicons. The best price I could find was from a dealer in Minnesota, and he also happened to be one of the dealers that was willing to ship the quad.
Before I put a bid on the quad, I did some further research.
First I contacted the dealer (by phone, as this helped me determine that it was indeed a legit auction) to inquire about the cost of shipping and if he was willing to sell to a Canadian Resident (I had read in some other forums that some dealers did not want to sell to Canadians as some manufacturers frown upon this as it is cutting into Canadian Sales and they can risk loosing their dealer licence). I received a quote of US$370 to ship to Sumas, Washington (which is where I have an account at Package Express) and he told me it is not a problem that I am a Canadian Resident.
Accounts at Package Express are free; however they charge you a fee depending on the size of the package they receive for you. Check their website for more information.
Package Express
115 Garfield Street
Sumas, WA 98295
Abbotsford: 604-755-4388
Vancouver: 604-628-2230
http://www.packageexpress.com/

Registrar of Imported Vehicles
The next step is to contact the Registar of Imported Vehicles (http://www.riv.ca/) to determine if the quad is admissible into Canada. In their list of allowable vehicles I found the following restriction:
Vehicles manufactured before December 1, 2004, must have a VIN between 14 to 17 alphanumeric digits as required by CMVSS 115. Vehicles manufactured after December 1, 2004, must bear a 17 digit alphanumeric Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) as required by CMVSS 115.
Honda ATV's have 17-digit VINs, so this was no problem.
The RIV site also states that the following requirements must be met at the inspection that must be done once the quad is in Canada.
1. Recall clearance letter
2. Off-road statement label
3. All Lights On, for existing lights
Registrar of Imported Vehicles
405 The West Mall
Toronto, ON M9C5K7
Phone: 1-888-848-8240
http://www.riv.ca/

The Purchase
I then went back on eBay and put my bid in and ended up getting the quad for US$6099. For payment, I did a wire transfer to the dealer's bank account.
The next day I called the dealer to make sure he received the payment. I also asked him to fax me the bill of sale and the certificate of origin.

U.S. Customs
U.S. Customs requires notification of all self-propelled vehicles being permanently exported from the United States. Their regulations state that at land border points:
1. The required documentation must be submitted to U.S. Customs at least 72 hours prior to export; and
2. The vehicle must be presented to U.S. Customs at the time of export.

I called up the Sumas US Customs office and told them that I would be exporting an atv. They faxed me what they call the "Vehicle Export Worksheet".
I filled out the worksheet and faxed them the following as requested:
1. Vehicle Export Worksheet
2. Bill of Sale
3. Certificate of Origin (or Title, if vehicle is used)
4. Driver's license

They suggest to call back the next day to make sure they received all the documentation properly. At the same time they will be able to give you an exportation number.
Note: U.S. Customs will only do vehicle exports between 8-4 Monday to Friday. They clearly state no vehicle exportations after 4pm.
U.S. Customs and Border Protection
103 Cherry Street
Sumas, WA 98295
Phone: 360-988-2971
Fax: 360-988-6300
www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/export/export_docs/motor_vehicle.xml

The Pick Up
My package consisting of the original documents, owners manuals and safety video finally arrived in the mail. I was now ready to head down to Sumas and pick up the quad!
We headed down to Sumas, waited 1/2 hour in the lineup and proceeded down the street to Package Express. They had already taken the quad out of the crate (they needed to do so to unload it from the truck as they did not have forklift extensions at the time) so we wheeled it out of the warehouse and onto the trailer. The staff at Package Express were very helpful with this process.
We then headed to US Customs with the original paper work and export number I was issued beforehand. After a 5 minute wait, the expert clerk asked to see the original certificate of origin. She embossed the certificate and said I was all done. She did not even go out to check the VIN on the ATV.
Next was a short wait in the Canada bound line-up. We told the customs agent why we were down there, for how long etc... and showed him the bill of sales for the atv. He wrote us up and asked us to go inside to pay the taxes.
Once inside the Canadian Customs Clerk asked to see the bill of sale and wrote up the charges. She also asked if we had cleared the machine with US Customs and wanted to see the embossed certificate. She filled out the RIV form for me as well. She quickly went outside to check the VIN and off-road statement label. Two minutes later she returned and told me everything was good to go. I then headed to the cashier to pay the taxes and RIV fee (you can either pay the RIV fee at the same time, ask for an envelope and mail it in, or you can pay online).
Within 10 days I will receive a package from RIV that lists instructions on what to do next (inspection information). The whole process took less than 10 minutes.
When I called Canada Customs to check if there were specific hours that they do vehicle imports, they told me it can be done anytime.

RIV Inspection
Two weeks later, I received the inspection information from RIV in the mail. It consisted of a checklist of what is inspected and a list of inspection locations.
I decided to go to Canadian Tire since they are just down the hill from me. I called Canadian Tire the day before and they told me that I did not need an appointment, and that I could just show up anytime during business hours.
When I arrived I had to show them my recall clearance letter. The mechanic then went outside to inspect the ATV. I did not have to take it off the back of the truck. The only thing he checked was the VIN, to insure it matched what Canada Customs gave them.
Canadian Tire faxed in all the information to RIV. The whole process took about 15 minutes, and the inspection fee was included in the RIV fee I paid at the border.
Two weeks later I received the compliance decal in the mail with instructions on where to affix it on the quad.

Cost Summary
2006 Honda Rubicon: Cdn$7400.00 (includes cost of quad + shipping)
Package Express Fee: Cdn$35.00
GST/PST: Cdn$893.00
RIV Fee: Cdn$206.70
Total: Cdn$8534.70
That's a savings of about Cdn$2465.00.
** Please Note: The exchange at the time of purchase was about .86

[brendonp]

All my broker wanted was a bill of sale showing what I paid and the VIN number and I had a temporary insurance slip two minutes later. No problems, no hassle.

Look elsewhere (other than TD) for insurance and in the end i'm sure you'll be happier.

I think I have gotten my head around the import process. The only hurdle I seem to have is my Insurance. My insurance carrier (TDinsurance) told me they will not insure the car until I have:
Custom papers
Bill of Sale
Ontario ownership

How have others insured there new U.S cars until the get back to Ontario?

P.S. Can't wait to get the car and start bragging to the buddies.

Steve - tzcnd is probably correct in that it shouldn't be difficult. I provided my State Farm agent with a VIN number over the phone and had an e-mail with the entire insurance binder attached within 10 minutes or so - there was no charge or anything - it was merely viewed as the "start" point for the insurance on the car.

Brendon

[Chopstick]

Does anyone know of a US Toyota dealership, that would sell new Toyotas to Candians. Every dealer I called, and I called quite a few, tell me the same story they cant sell to Canadians.

BTW. If I were to find an Amerifriend to buy a car for me and sell it to me right away, so I could import it as used, would I need no pay double tax? State tax and Canadian 6% at the border. THanks.

I have the same experience as well. All the Toyota dealers that I have called in the Buffalo area say they can't sell to Canadians.

Does anyone know any US Toyota Dealers who will sell to Canadians?

Would it make any difference if I go into the Dealer in person?

Thanks!

[lightbulb]

Does anyone know if there is a difference between the Legacy 2.5 GT Sedan (canadian version) and the Legacy 2.5 GT Limited Edition (US version)?

They seem to be identical, but i just want a confirmation.

The US model has the "Tire Pressure Monitor System". I would rather have it disabled if I could, I think a dealer is needed to set it up each time you change wheels (winter / spare).

[icecom]

Call again and get an agent who knows the business. I am with TD Monnex and they just want bill of sale to issue me the insurance binder.

O.K. so after spending the better part of the day raeding through this forum I am 100% ready to buy a Subaru Outback in Buffalo (although my wife is leaning towards a CR-V).

I have contacted a guy from a dealership but I'm open to other dealers who people have had good results with.

I think I have gotten my head around the import process. The only hurdle I seem to have is my Insurance. My insurance carrier (TDinsurance) told me they will not insure the car until I have:
Custom papers
Bill of Sale
Ontario ownership

How have others insured there new U.S cars until the get back to Ontario?

Any help would be greatly appriciated - thanks in advance.

cheers,
steve

P.S. Can't wait to get the car and start bragging to the buddies.

[longdong]

HI All,

I will go to US to import either Toyota sienna 2008 or Toyota highlander 2008, my question is:

if I check:
www.riv.ca website , the latest list is only allow the 2007 model to be import to Canada. So what's about the 2008 models, can we import these models at well starting by now ?

Also for Toyota highlander 2008, made in Japan, so do I need to pay special tax on it ? and how much ?


Thanks.

Longdong

[jadeboy]

HI All,

I will go to US to import either Toyota sienna 2008 or Toyota highlander 2008, my question is:

if I check:
www.riv.ca website , the latest list is only allow the 2007 model to be import to Canada. So what's about the 2008 models, can we import these models at well starting by now ?

Also for Toyota highlander 2008, made in Japan, so do I need to pay special tax on it ? and how much ?


Thanks.

Longdong

1. You can't import any 2008 Toyota/Lexus right now... :(
2. 6.1% duty on top of that

[yyz2hkg]

People are actually charging people a fee on how to import a vehicle from the U.S, it's below. There's a comprehensive guide right here...it's just 314 pages long, LOL. I compiled a "HOW TO IMPORT GUIDE" here back in 2006. It's not $9.99, it's FREE! Since then, there have been at least 3-4 new more detailed "How To Import a US Vehicle" post in the RFD Community Forum.

LINKYPOO (http://www.ucanimport.com/)

[MVP1]

Can someone give me some info about the new GREEN FEE? Is it on every V8 vehicle?

[Comatose]

If its a minivan, van, jeep or SUV, it falls in category 5 on their list which does not appear to have any restrictions on model years. So yes, you should be able to import the 08 sienna ok. Not sure about the highlander, but I believe trucks have a section of its own as well ..

HI All,

I will go to US to import either Toyota sienna 2008 or Toyota highlander 2008, my question is:

if I check:
www.riv.ca website , the latest list is only allow the 2007 model to be import to Canada. So what's about the 2008 models, can we import these models at well starting by now ?

Also for Toyota highlander 2008, made in Japan, so do I need to pay special tax on it ? and how much ?


Thanks.

Longdong

[whampoa]

People are actually charging people a fee on how to import a vehicle from the U.S. There's a comprehensive guide right here...it's just 314 pages long

LINKYPOO (http://www.ucanimport.com/)

See what I tell you, I bet there's a sucker born every minutes, who think paying for this is the greatest thing since slice bread.

And when they read the parts about importing German and Toyota/Honda vehicles.

They'll be presently surprised at some convoluted rules some automakers go through, in order to avoid selling cars to cross border shoppers.

[yyz2hkg]

See what I tell you, I bet there's a sucker born every minutes, who think paying for this is the greatest thing since slice bread.

And when they read the parts about importing German and Toyota/Honda vehicles.

They'll be presently surprised at some convoluted rules some automakers go through, in order to avoid selling cars to cross border shoppers.

To all the regulars who have followed this THREAD. Look what they're charging on top of the $9.99

Taken from the website at www.ucanimport.com:

* Organizing and correctly completing the documentation you will require, such as the Letter of Admissibility, Recall Clearance Letter and Vehicle Export Worksheet;
* Helping you organize your United States Trip Permit;
* Helping you organize your Canadian Temporary Insurance for your new car;
* Organizing and delivering all documents to you by courier prior to your trip to the United States.

All you have to do is:

1. Research and locate your car;
2. Negotiate the purchase with the current owner and arrange for payment;
3. Arrange and travel to the United States to pick up your new car (with our completed documentation in hand);
4. Be sure to obtain the Bill of Sale and Title for the car so that you have it, along with our completed documentation when you return into Canada.


Price: $150.00 + GST


Tier Two - Border, Compliance and Registration
Service included:

* Organizing and correctly completing the documentation you will require, such as the Letter of Admissibility, Recall Clearance Letter and Vehicle Export Worksheet;
* Helping you organize your United States Trip Permit;
* Helping you organize your Canadian Temporary Insurance for your new car;
* Organizing and delivering all documents to you by courier prior to your trip to the United States.
* Obtaining multiple quotes from Manufacturer's Representative Dealership for mandatory compliance work;
* Assisting with Trip Permits within Canada, as necessary;
* Coordinating all appointments:
o Compliance work using most reasonable quote from a Manufacturer's Representative Dealership;
o Schedule appointments for federal/provincial vehicle inspections;
o Schedule appointment with ICBC for final inspection and registration.

All you have to do is:

1. Research and locate your car;
2. Negotiate the purchase with the current owner and arrange for payment;
3. Arrange and travel to the United States to pick up your new car (with our completed documentation in hand);
4. Be sure to obtain the Bill of Sale and Title for the car so that you have it, along with our completed documentation when you return into Canada;
5. Take your car to all pre-scheduled appointments;
6. If required, fax a signed Letter of Compliance to the Registrar of Imported Vehicles (RIV);
7. Take your car and all documents to ICBC for registration.


Price: $500.00 + GST

Wow...they probably making a killing...I would've been a millionaire by now. BTW...Again thanks OP MonsieurMaggot for providing me $650.00 worth of services for FREE!

[tico 1948]

The argument that is used by manufacturers...well when the dolar hit 65 cents we did not raise car prices...well actually they did, a few percent a year...and it went from 80 to 65. Well now it is not at 80...it is 99. The arguement works great if the dollar was at 80 or even 90 cents, but this is now gouging with the 99 cent dollar.

Sure have some payback for the bad years, but not like this. Lower prices to reflect a 85 cent dollar and split the difference with us poor Canadians...even then many will go down to the US and save 7k instead of 15k.

I expect our dollar to hit as high as 1.10 then trade between 1.02 and 1.10 all of next year and in the near term of 5 years out. There is absolutely no way that we will see even a 90 cent dolar in the next 5 years. We are in need of rate hikes as US is in need of rate cuts...the cycle is gonna be here for a long time .
Just an example of how "LITTLE "they raised the prices when the Cdn. dollar was low. The MSRP for my 2002 Ford F-150 Lariat Supercrew was $45,700 and the MSRP for my next vehicle, a 2004 Ford F-150 Lariat Supercrew is $50,915. That's only a "paltry" $5,215 in the space of 2.5 yrs. The only difference between these two vehicles is that the 2004 has a moonroof,reverse sensing system, power sliding rear window, and a bit better audio system, not to mention a minor styling change.I also found that for that $5,215 difference I had less comfortable seats, smaller floor mats,rougher ride, no behind the rear seat storage compartments,and a lot more suprising things that went wrong with a "sic" better built vehicle.I was a loyal Ford customer.It just breaks my heart to hear the sob stories and guilt trips that the Canadian Auto Industry lays upon us, the great unwashed.God bless Free Trade! It's finally working for the buying public. And as for all this gnashing of teeth by manufacturers about how hard it is to compete with the dollar so high.I grew up in the 50's and my old man had a factory job. We always had 3 meals a day. Granted it was rarely prime cuts, but we lived and were no better off than anyone else on our street. I remember when the U.S. dollar was only worth $0.90,for a number of years, against the Cdn. buck. The Canadian manufacturers only have to relearn how to compete. Get rid of the high paid fat cats at the top, replace them with dynamic people who know how to roll up their sleeves and get things done.I'm by no means an economist, just a self employed working slob.I know I'm on quite a rant but, it's amazing how it's so easy for Canadian industry to get all bent out of shape when they don't have an artificial advantage to work with.It's not like they didn't see it coming. Seems like it's easier to just tool along as usual and cry like hell when reality hits.Then lay-off a bunch of people. I'll shut up now. Thanks for your kind indulgence.

[diigii]

Wow!!! I told myself that some slimeballs will pop out and advertise their business to make importing so much simple for potential buyers. What a rip off these people do to take advantage of vulnerable people. I just hope that potential buyers are smart enough to know not to believe these scam artists. I also hope they will do their research and ask people who have imported before so they'll know how easy the import process is. I've been assisting colleagues on how the process is so easy, been telling my friends to look into it and ask me questions they may have in importing. It's so easy and quick, as long as you have the certificate of title or MSO, bill of sale, manufacturer's recall clearance letter and an insurance policy that gives 14-temporary coverage. All these can be obtained via simple phonecalls.

[yyz2hkg]

Wow!!! I told myself that some slimeballs will pop out and advertise their business to make importing so much simple for potential buyers. What a rip off these people do to take advantage of vulnerable people. I just hope that potential buyers are smart enough to know not to believe these scam artists. I also hope they will do their research and ask people who have imported before so they'll know how easy the import process is. I've been assisting colleagues on how the process is so easy, been telling my friends to look into it and ask me questions they may have in importing. It's so easy and quick, as long as you have the certificate of title or MSO, bill of sale, manufacturer's recall clearance letter and an insurance policy that gives 14-temporary coverage. All these can be obtained via simple phonecalls.


How to Import a U.S vehicle in 2 sentences. In bold above:arrowu: . LOL

COST/FEE: $0.00

[longdong]

1. You can't import any 2008 Toyota/Lexus right now... :(
2. 6.1% duty on top of that

Hmmm ... where did you get 6.1% duy on top of the paid price ? ... are you sure ?

[HighFlyer]

Hmmm ... where did you get 6.1% duy on top of the paid price ? ... are you sure ?

if the vehicle is made outside of north america, yes.

[jadeboy]

Hmmm ... where did you get 6.1% duy on top of the paid price ? ... are you sure ?

Yes - If the vehicle is not made in North America. Pissed me off too.. but that life.

[yyz2hkg]

Hmmm ... where did you get 6.1% duy on top of the paid price ? ... are you sure ?

If the Highlander is made in Japan, then the 6.1% duty applies...If you're looking for the 08 Sienna, no duties applicable, because they're built in Princeton, Indiana.

[sheriffabc]

How to Import a U.S vehicle in 2 sentences. In bold above:arrowu: . LOL

COST/FEE: $0.00


Dont know if this has been mentioned b4 in this huge thread - but the Canadian Government - Customs gives free seminars - how to import cars from USA - next seminar in November at Scarboro town centre

Check riv site

[teep]

Here is an interesting quote from the the (very helpful) people at
Subaru America.

I mentioned that I was a tad sorry for Canadian Subaru dealers, stuck with this ridiculously high MRSP. Reply - "Well we are NOT! They buy their cars from us. They are hosing you in Canada."

[svem]

Hi, I have a question:

Will an American car dealership or an American/Canadian Bank finance a car purchase in the US to a Candian buyer?

[Symcrapico]

Hi, I have a question:

Will an American car dealership or an American/Canadian Bank finance a car purchase in the US to a Candian buyer?

I think you at least need an american Social Security Number (SSN)

[shopper-X]

Can someone give me some info about the new GREEN FEE? Is it on every V8 vehicle?

MVP1,
It not just V8 vehicles that get this tax, it's inefficient vehicles.
Check this link for Transport Canada (http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/agency/budget/2007/excise-e.html). There are two more links in Q3 to check also.


Q.3 How is the new excise tax calculated?

A.3 The excise tax is calculated on the basis of the weighted average fuel consumption, as determined in accordance with information published by Natural Resources Canada. For purposes of this excise tax, the weighted average is calculated by combining 55% of the city fuel consumption rating with 45% of the highway fuel consumption rating. A listing of vehicles and associated fuel-efficiency ratings can be found on the Natural Resources Canada Web site (http://oee.nrcan.gc.ca/transportation/tools/fuelratings/ratings-search.cfm?attr=8). For your convenience a listing of 2007 model year vehicles, their weighted average fuel consumption ratings and associated fuel-inefficient vehicle tax rates can also be found here (http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/whatsnew/items/list_veh-e.pdf) (PDF document).

Vehicles that have a weighted average fuel consumption of 13 or more litres per 100 km will be subject to the tax at the following rates:

At least 13 but less than 14 litres per 100 km: $1,000
At last 14, but less than 15 litres per 100 km: $2,000
At least 15 but less than 16 litres per 100 km: $3,000
16 or more litres per 100 km: $4,000

[michelb]

Hi, I have a question:

Will an American car dealership or an American/Canadian Bank finance a car purchase in the US to a Candian buyer?

I think you at least need an american Social Security Number (SSN)

I believe you can get a US loan without a SSN (although it's harder) but I don't think it makes any difference. I'm pretty certain that you cannot export the vehicle from the US without getting all liens on it discharged and whoever finances the car probably won't agree to that (the lien is the only thing that protects them in case you don't pay).

You might actually be able to get a car loan from a Canadian bank so talk to your bank although you might only be able to do this once the car is actually imported into Canada (same as getting a car loan from a bank for a used car purchase).

[michelb]

We're almost there !!! Delayed exchange quotes are showing $1US = 0.997x. TDWaterhouse is sellin $1 US at $1.011x CND

[Rocketo]

why is everyone getting a subaru outback...are the vehicles that good?

[vim]

Hello,

I am preparing to buy Toyota Sienna from US (LE + Package 2). What I noticed, that there are different Sienna options in different states of US and that kind of bothers me.
If I buy Sienna in Charlotte, North Carolina - all cars they are listed there do not have option for "Windshield De-Icer + DRL".
You can see this by entering zip code 28624 in toyota.com wesite "Build and price your toyota" option. You will see all available cars with different options, but none for "Windshield De-Icer + DLR"

Now if you enter zip code for Baltimore 21075, there is different interface to price your toyota. And there is option for "Windshield de-icer + DRL".

In Canada I definatelly need DLR and I believe Windshied de-icer would be very nice too (anyone have de-icer and comment on this?). I read that it is quite easy to make DLR buy just adding fuse, can anyone confirm that for Sienna 2008?

So, my question is - is everything else between siennas will be same? Example, is it possible that Siennas bought in south states will have lest powerfull cabin heaters and more powerfull AC?

[DSTU]

Yes - If the vehicle is not made in North America. Pissed me off too.. but that life.

You pay that with any imported vehicles bought in Canada. Its buried in the price.

So its no different than paying 6.1% duty for US bought vehicles.

As its mentioned in the title of this thread - your only additional cost is the $200 RIV fee - Thats it.

[dheath]

The dollar hit parity today. First time since 1976.

I suspect that the poor performance of the USD will result in higher US prices on cars (among other things) in the very near future. However, Canadian retailers will have to start lower some prices now unless the govt closes the borders.

It's good to be Canadian.

[michelb]

why is everyone getting a subaru outback...are the vehicles that good?

I think they're very decent but the biggest attraction with them is that: 1) they are a lot cheaper in the US (for some reason they seem to be among the biggest price differences) 2) the warranty is valid in Canada (with a bit more hassle for 2008) and probably most importantly 3) Subaru dealers in the US are happy to sell to Canadians (there's even a few sales people that post in this thread)

[scouzi]

why is everyone getting a subaru outback...are the vehicles that good?

Subaru makes to the most sense because it has the biggest price difference, lots of dealers in the tree-hugger Northern states and no barriers imposed from Subaru itself.

The warranty for 2007 is good in Canada as written. For the 2008 models, you have to pay for warranty repairs if worked performed at a Canadian delearship and ask for a refund from Subaru of America.

The only thing I'm not sure about is if whether or not this repair has to be pre-approved somehow.

[scouzi]

Here is an interesting quote from the the (very helpful) people at
Subaru America.

I mentioned that I was a tad sorry for Canadian Subaru dealers, stuck with this ridiculously high MRSP. Reply - "Well we are NOT! They buy their cars from us. They are hosing you in Canada."

I'm not sure about that. There is a distributor in between called Subaru of Canada that hoses Canadian dealers.

I do feel sorry for them also. Their invoice prices is quite high also.

[scouzi]

Wow!!! I told myself that some slimeballs will pop out and advertise their business to make importing so much simple for potential buyers. What a rip off these people do to take advantage of vulnerable people. I just hope that potential buyers are smart enough to know not to believe these scam artists. I also hope they will do their research and ask people who have imported before so they'll know how easy the import process is. I've been assisting colleagues on how the process is so easy, been telling my friends to look into it and ask me questions they may have in importing. It's so easy and quick, as long as you have the certificate of title or MSO, bill of sale, manufacturer's recall clearance letter and an insurance policy that gives 14-temporary coverage. All these can be obtained via simple phonecalls.

Personally, I think the service is worth the price if it works. They are not scam artists if they deliver on their promise.

[HighFlyer]

Personally, I think the service is worth the price if it works. They are not scam artists if they deliver on their promise.

Agreed. I'm all for it, if it encourages more and more people to boycott the Canadian distributors over their tactics and buy in the US.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Personally, I think the service is worth the price if it works. They are not scam artists if they deliver on their promise.

They're no different than the auto importers.

I know of a person who was charged $200 for Form1 from their importer and a $500 administrative surcharge which included the recall letter. They also paid $2000 for the service. On top of that they paid the RIV fee and taxes A total of $2900 (plus taxes) to have someone basically do something that takes a few minutes and about $200 to do themselves.

Sad thing is, Form1 is completed by the Canada Customs inspector.

The recall letter is provided by the manufacturer for free (unless it's BMW/Mini who seem to charge $500 for one).

I read that the Canadian Dollar hit 99.97 this morning.

Subaru Legacys can now be had for as little as $19,900 Canadian (less when you factor in the rebates).

source: http://www.cars101.com/subaru_prices.html

Gotta love Subaru US. When the buck breaks par, I can't wait to post that you will actually pay less for a Subaru than our American friends.

[sos1]

WOW, can you imagine the dollar at par. Finally we'll see prices drop, eventually. Anybody here, know of a Toyota Dealer in Western New York, willing to sell to us Canadians. Any info, would be appreciated
Regards
SOS1

[michelb]

...

The warranty for 2007 is good in Canada as written. For the 2008 models, you have to pay for warranty repairs if worked performed at a Canadian delearship and ask for a refund from Subaru of America.

The only thing I'm not sure about is if whether or not this repair has to be pre-approved somehow.

From what I've seen you don't have to get pre-approved. You just get the work done and if it's something covered under warranty, submit the invoice and they'll repay it. The only catch is that they'll repay whatever is authorized in the US. With the CDN$ basically at par and with high shop rates here, you might get stuck with some amount to pay (I think shop rate in Ottawa is about $85/hr - last time I was at a garage in the US, I think the shop rate there was about $50US/hr).

[dumbass]

1 USD = 1.0004 CAD

wow.

[DSTU]

WOW

Priced some Nissan's

Savings are........

Sentra SE-R Spev V - $5k
Altima Coupe 3.5 - $9k
Xterra - High End Model $9k, Low End $15K

[shopper-X]

You can add me to the list!
We bought a Tribeca from Kendall Subaru in OR.
They had what we were looking for and we are having it shipping here soon. Having it shipped takes alot longer then driving it up. >:(

We saved over $16,000!!!!!
Thank you Monsieurmaggot for starting the invasion of US vehicles!

We used A&A Customs Brokers = $383.06 + Tax (they start with $250 then add all the fees)
We are using Canuck Towing to have it shipped to Regina.

Here is the dealer info:
Kendall Subaru
Jesse Snarr
1-877-833-6841
Eugene OR

The Kendall Auto Group (http://www.kendallautogroup.com) owns the following brands:
Honda + Acura
Chevy + Cadillac
Chrysler + Dodge + Jeep
Ford
Hyundai
Toyota + Lexus + Scion (not sure if they export)
Subaru

I know it's a bit far but they are great people to work with. The sale was way under invoice and hold back and they still added a few accessories to the deal.

[harria5]

I have to laugh when I read people saying that Canadian car prices will come down. Why on earth would the car companies lower their prices when there are still people buying cars here? Sure they are losing some sales to the US but the stonger Canadian dollar should result in higher profit on every vehicle sold.

It is very clear that manufacturers like Toyota are trying to stop US sales to Canadians, all in the name of protecting their Canadian dealer's sales. I talked to the Toyota dealer where I bought my Sienna about buying another and he told me Toyota USA has new policy requiring proof of US residency and collection of state sales tax, regardless of where you plan to register the car. The recent article on Toyota Canada's website touting the "benefits" of buying a Toyota that is made specifically for the Canadian market is simply a scare tactic that they hope will discourage uninformed consumers from importing from the US.

[scouzi]

I have to laugh when I read people saying that Canadian car prices will come down. Why on earth would the car companies lower their prices when there are still people buying cars here? Sure they are losing some sales to the US but the stonger Canadian dollar should result in higher profit on every vehicle sold.

It is very clear that manufacturers like Toyota are trying to stop US sales to Canadians, all in the name of protecting their Canadian dealer's sales. I talked to the Toyota dealer where I bought my Sienna about buying another and he told me Toyota USA has new policy requiring proof of US residency and collection of state sales tax, regardless of where you plan to register the car. The recent article on Toyota Canada's website touting the "benefits" of buying a Toyota that is made specifically for the Canadian market is simply a scare tactic that they hope will discourage uninformed consumers from importing from the US.

They eventually won't have a choice to adjust somewhere. I think with such a low US dollar, they will have to raise prices in the US or increase production there.

New cars will have to compete with slightly used imported cars sold by the wharehouse used car lots in Canada.

[dumbass]

So has anyone had success importing a Toyota? I'm looking at the 08 Highlander, and would love to buy it in the US.

[flaming homer]

I've failed.

I've failed in purchasing a Lexus from a Delaware dealer.

While Delaware is a tax free state, they're totally 'weird':

- Cannot disclose their bank account number to me for wiring, I must contact my bank and have the bank (yeah, right) contact them for the banking info
- Cannot COD with US$ Bank Draft drawn on New York bank, must send them the Bank Draft (Originally they wanted Cerfitied Bank Cheque, WTF?!?) 2 weeks prior to pick up so it would clear on time
- Slow slow in responding, definetly working on banker's hours

When asked how "locals" pay for their cars, the answer was "personal cheque". Go figure...

So now, bye bye RX350, hello Tribeca. Karl, answer your e-mail please...

[HighFlyer]

It is very clear that manufacturers like Toyota are trying to stop US sales to Canadians, all in the name of protecting their Canadian dealer's sales.
I will take it one step further and *REFUSE* to buy from a manufacturer (both Canadian and US divisions) who is blatantly out to gouge the consumers, and patronize one who is happy to take my business. Which for now, is still Subaru.

[dlseeker]

From what I've seen you don't have to get pre-approved. You just get the work done and if it's something covered under warranty, submit the invoice and they'll repay it. The only catch is that they'll repay whatever is authorized in the US. With the CDN$ basically at par and with high shop rates here, you might get stuck with some amount to pay (I think shop rate in Ottawa is about $85/hr - last time I was at a garage in the US, I think the shop rate there was about $50US/hr).

Can anyone else confirm that Subaru USA will not reimburse warranty work done on 2008 vehicles at a Canadian dealer in full?

[michelb]

I have to laugh when I read people saying that Canadian car prices will come down. Why on earth would the car companies lower their prices when there are still people buying cars here? Sure they are losing some sales to the US but the stonger Canadian dollar should result in higher profit on every vehicle sold.

It is very clear that manufacturers like Toyota are trying to stop US sales to Canadians, all in the name of protecting their Canadian dealer's sales. I talked to the Toyota dealer where I bought my Sienna about buying another and he told me Toyota USA has new policy requiring proof of US residency and collection of state sales tax, regardless of where you plan to register the car. The recent article on Toyota Canada's website touting the "benefits" of buying a Toyota that is made specifically for the Canadian market is simply a scare tactic that they hope will discourage uninformed consumers from importing from the US.

I have to agree. We might see a slight decrease in prices but I think it will be pretty insignificant. A lot of stuff costs more in Canada (cars, electronics, clothes, etc) and part of that is because of the exchange but a bigger part of that is supply/demand. Car manufacturers charge $x for a car because they can. Sure some customers are going to go to the US but most will just buy in Canada (financing, leasing, warranty, ease, etc). I think someone reported that over 100k cars were imported in the past year from the US but I'd guess that over 1 million cars were registered in Canada so the number of imports is still only 10% - I think they can live with 90% of the sales if they don't have to reduce the prices.

[michelb]

Can anyone else confirm that Subaru USA will not reimburse warranty work done on 2008 vehicles at a Canadian dealer in full?

This is from Joe Spitz's webpage (http://www.cars101.com/canada.html) (He's had info on importing Subaru's for a long time (I think even long before this thread was started)).

Reimbursement Note: Subaru of America warranty reimbursement comes in US dollars and at the US dollar amount that would normally be paid for the warranty work if done at a US dealership.
This is effective June 21, 2007 and applies to any year new 2008 U.S. spec Subaru purchased by a Canadian resident and immediately registered in Canada. It is not retroative. Previous models should continue to be serviced as they have been with no change.

Doesn't mean that they won't reimburse in full but they are covering themselves ...

[xriddle]

I've failed.

I've failed in purchasing a Lexus from a Delaware dealer.

While Delaware is a tax free state, they're totally 'weird':

- Cannot disclose their bank account number to me for wiring, I must contact my bank and have the bank (yeah, right) contact them for the banking info
- Cannot COD with US$ Bank Draft drawn on New York bank, must send them the Bank Draft (Originally they wanted Cerfitied Bank Cheque, WTF?!?) 2 weeks prior to pick up so it would clear on time
- Slow slow in responding, definetly working on banker's hours

When asked how "locals" pay for their cars, the answer was "personal cheque". Go figure...

So now, bye bye RX350, hello Tribeca. Karl, answer your e-mail please...

A little tip for Lexus ... I imported an IS250 AWD ... Get it slightly used ... I have a contact in New York ... PM me

[techboss]

I have not been following this thread very closely, but can you still import a 2008 Sienna into Canada? I read someone was posting about Toyota preventing Canadians from buying from the US. Is this true. Does it applies to 2007 model as well? Can you have the car shipped into Canada or do you have to pick it up yourself? Thanks

[warpdryv]

- Cannot disclose their bank account number to me for wiring, I must contact my bank and have the bank (yeah, right) contact them for the banking info

That's not unusual. Your bank has probably dealt with this before, and at least one other RFDer has done it this way. You can't blame them for being careful.

- Cannot COD with US$ Bank Draft drawn on New York bank, must send them the Bank Draft (Originally they wanted Cerfitied Bank Cheque, WTF?!?) 2 weeks prior to pick up so it would clear on time

Not as common, but there is a risk that you could present them with a fraudulent bank draft.

Can you PM me the dealership contact info - i've been looking to import a lexus for a while, and have no issue with going to my bank to do the wire xfer.

[warpdryv]

has anyone imported a new cadillac?

[johnsa]

That's not unusual. Your bank has probably dealt with this before, and at least one other RFDer has done it this way. You can't blame them for being careful.



Not as common, but there is a risk that you could present them with a fraudulent bank draft.

Can you PM me the dealership contact info - i've been looking to import a lexus for a while, and have no issue with going to my bank to do the wire xfer.


I agree that neither of these policies are unusual..I persoanlly was able to wire my funds directly to the dealer's bank but I was half expecting them to request my bank make contact with theirs. I also work at a Cdn bank so I would have been fine with this...If I was a US dealer I would not take any Bank Draft as their bank may require up to 2 weeks to clear the funds..It is that slow betweeen countries.......

Don't give up!!

[gjw1]

has anyone imported a new cadillac?

Not that I have seen yet. You could be the first to dive in, let us know how the water is.

[diigii]

I take back my "scam artists" claim in my earlier post. I would call them HOSERS!!!!! They don't differ from Canadian dealers hosing car buyers. If you read their service, you still have to do most of the work, especially looking for your potential dealer. Laughable!!! $500 for getting you the CoT, recall clearance letter? That's a joke!!!!

[flaming homer]

I agree that neither of these policies are unusual..I persoanlly was able to wire my funds directly to the dealer's bank but I was half expecting them to request my bank make contact with theirs. I also work at a Cdn bank so I would have been fine with this...If I was a US dealer I would not take any Bank Draft as their bank may require up to 2 weeks to clear the funds..It is that slow betweeen countries.......

Don't give up!!Well, we I visited my HSBC branch, the did NOT want to "call" the dealer on my behalf, they just want the damn "swift" code (?) and get it over with. As far as the 2 week hold on US (new york state) drawn bank draft that is just silly, they actually said that they have to contact my bank (not theirs) 2 weeks after deposit to see if they've released the funds.

Other difficulties has to do with the availabilty of the Certificate of Origin, faxed photocopy of it, etc etc.

Bottom line is that you have to trust the dealer on the other end, and I could not trust him with delays after delays and the fact that he would not trust me one little bit (like filling out the back of the Certificate of Origin after a US$ 3000 deposit via credit card). I assure you the Northtown Subaru dealer had none of these issues. Come on, you can drive away with a personal cheque but not a bank draft ??!?

I will not publish the name of the dealer as I don't want them to get in trouble. Try using the following criteria on how I found them:

1. They're in Delaware, no tax
2. City has Amtrak service between it and BWI Airport
3. Southwest Airlines has cheap and direct flights to BWI from Buffalo all the time, under US$ 50 (one-way) most cases

[diigii]

I have to laugh when I read people saying that Canadian car prices will come down. Why on earth would the car companies lower their prices when there are still people buying cars here? Sure they are losing some sales to the US but the stonger Canadian dollar should result in higher profit on every vehicle sold.

It is very clear that manufacturers like Toyota are trying to stop US sales to Canadians, all in the name of protecting their Canadian dealer's sales. I talked to the Toyota dealer where I bought my Sienna about buying another and he told me Toyota USA has new policy requiring proof of US residency and collection of state sales tax, regardless of where you plan to register the car. The recent article on Toyota Canada's website touting the "benefits" of buying a Toyota that is made specifically for the Canadian market is simply a scare tactic that they hope will discourage uninformed consumers from importing from the US.

Someone posted here that a local Toyota dealer offered him $100 off the MSRP and a box of Tim Horton's Timbits. I don't know what you guys will think of that but I think that's an insult to us. Maybe the reason why the salesman offered a box of Timbits is he knows a buyer would go broke after buying the Sienna $14K overpriced!!!

I couldn't wait for Toyota's next release on their website touting a Made-For-Canada car.

[diigii]

I just remembered one more tip for people buying from Karl at Van Bortel Subaru. Don't cross at Buffalo on your way to Rochester. Save yourself some time by taking the Toronto-Rochester ferry, ask Karl to pick you up close to his dealership and not in Buffalo anymore. Then just drive your new car to Buffalo for the export process. It's a win-win situation for both of you guys!

Just thinking about you Subaru buyers! :cheesygri

[LiquidGoop]

Too bad the ferry link doesn't exist anymore.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Sadly the Rochester - Toronto service ceased in 2005. The ship was hung up all of 2006 waiting for a buyer. Earlier in 2007 the new ferry was sold to Förde Reederei Seetouristik Gmbh & Co. of Germany.

From what I read on the 'net, the ship now plows the straight between Spain and Morocco.

This is what she looked like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:The_Breeze_Fast_Ferry_2004-08-08.JPG

Here are some pictures of her new livery: http://www.frs.es/tanger-jet-2.php

[diigii]

Sadly the Rochester - Toronto service ceased in 2005. The ship was hung up all of 2006 waiting for a buyer. Earlier in 2007 the new ferry was sold to Förde Reederei Seetouristik Gmbh & Co. of Germany.

From what I read on the 'net, the ship now plows the straight between Spain and Morocco.

Oh shoot!!! Is that what happened?? I knew it temporarily stopped because of some funding shortfall, but it was resumed after some financing was provided. I didn't follow on it after that. I didn't hear it ceased operations.

Thanks for the correction on that. I would've been waiting forever there if I did decide to take the ferry. :cheesygri

[flaming homer]

Thanks for the correction on that. I would've been waiting forever there if I did decide to take the ferry. :cheesygri
You would have too, all the signs for the ferry still exists in the Portlands area. You may even get confused, it's a hopping place now that T&T and Cirque du Soleil are both operational.

Anyone have Karl come pick them up from:

1. Canadian side of bridge ?
2. US side of bridge (buffalo/niagara falls, NY) ?

[eastsidesubaru]

Man... I wonder what the dollar hitting parity is going to do to the border towns... I know last time I was in Vancouver I did *a lot* of shopping because the prices were pretty good on some stuff and the government still had a tax refund for purchases over $50 for Americans. Now the tax break is gone and things are more expensive. :|

[diigii]

You would have too, all the signs for the ferry still exists in the Portlands area. You may even get confused, it's a hopping place now that T&T and Cirque du Soleil are both operational.

Anyone have Karl come pick them up from:

1. Canadian side of bridge ?
2. US side of bridge (buffalo/niagara falls, NY) ?

Someone posted here that Karl picked him up and even brought him a cup of Starbucks while he left his wife shopping! That's funny!

[icecom]

Is there any way we can tell trim level and color from the VIN? For example SE AWD. Thanks.

[GoKartRacer]

Question to some of you who have imported. I couldnt find a straight answer on this topic/nor was it explicitly mentioned.

basically if I buy a car on Sept 15th from the United States but I bring it across the border (export) on Sept 30th for example. What exchange rate will Canada customs use to convert the USD to CAD. Will they use the rate of Sept 15th (purchase date) or the rate of Sept 30th (export date).

Thanks,
Racer..

[bionicbadger]

Question to some of you who have imported. I couldnt find a straight answer on this topic/nor was it explicitly mentioned.

basically if I buy a car on Sept 15th from the United States but I bring it across the border (export) on Sept 30th for example. What exchange rate will Canada customs use to convert the USD to CAD. Will they use the rate of Sept 15th (purchase date) or the rate of Sept 30th (export date).


Customs uses the rate the day you bring it across (import date).

[RRKnight]

OK, looking for a second vehicle to import. This time 2008 G37, anyone know a infiniti dealer in the US near GTA that I can call to make a deal?

[GoKartRacer]

Customs uses the rate the day you bring it across (import date).

thanks a lot :-)

[hksun]

Just got my 07 X5 passing the border over the weekend. Other than $500 recall letter, everything else is smooth as I expected to be. Maybe I should wait for one more week. The par rate will save me another $3000. There is no better time buying from US than now.

[dealcatcher]

Just got my 07 X5 passing the border over the weekend. Other than $500 recall letter, everything else is smooth as I expected to be. Maybe I should wait for one more week. The par rate will save me another $3000. There is no better time buying from US than now.

how much did u pay? any duty?

[teep]

Just a note to report very helpful service from Subaru America.

I had phoned them earlier about the RCL early in the week and they promised to paper mail and email a copy. (It was encouraging that on their computer we were already the registered owners for this VIN). I faxed them the bill of sale as requested. Nothing happened so I phoned again yesterday and was glad I did so as something had gone astray with the fax. I immediately faxed again - this was by then right at the end of their working day - and lo and behold the RCL was in my email first thing this morning.

Great service, thanks Subaru America!

The reason behind my sense of urgency was that the car is being picked up Friday, and some have reported (and its on some web sites) being asked to show the RCL at the border. I phoned RIV yesterday (my, they sounded busy!) and they confirmed that it is NOT required at the Canadian border.

[Luckster]

Where did you buy your X5, was it new from a dealer? If you don't want post the dealer's name, could you PM me.

Thanks
Just got my 07 X5 passing the border over the weekend. Other than $500 recall letter, everything else is smooth as I expected to be. Maybe I should wait for one more week. The par rate will save me another $3000. There is no better time buying from US than now.

[teep]

There has been a flurry of posts from RFLers seeking to import Audis.

I have owned several Audis both here and in Europe, and they sure can build great cars. (But Audi Canada sucks big time inmy experience.)

The new Audi S6 (its got the V10 engine from the Lambo) looks like a great car: excellent reviews. Its quite a lot cheaper than the Beemer M5 and is a better drive with a more refined interior (have you ever tried out the cup holders on the beemer - they defy both belief and gravity).

Price on Audi Canada website with most of the options ticked (why stint yourself at this price?) = $112,950

Price of the same car configured on the Audi America website = $81,430

Thats a $30,000 dollar difference! (Savings would buy a very nice Subaru for the wife) (oh sorry - 'spouse'). No wonder Audi Canada are making it next to impossible.









a lot fo neat oiptins (at thspreice,you wnt worry about skiomogn)

[Slant]

http://www.globeinvestor.com/servlet/story/GAM.20070917.RTOYOTA17/GIStory/

"TORONTO -- Toyota Canada Inc. is considering entering the car insurance market as part of an aggressive expansion plan that includes boosting its annual vehicle sales to 250,000 by 2010..."

I can SO see them screwing us over at the dealership...

Toyota salesperson: "...I'm sorry but Toyota credit didn't approve your financing... Oh wait a minute, my manager says if you insure your purchase with Toyota's insurance division we may be able to do something for you!!

[longdong]

After doing some research on vehicle , and carefully compare option by option. I can see the price different between US and Canada is around 6-7000$ as of today rate exchange (almost 1 to 1).

Toyota Sienna CE in US has lesser option than Toyota Sienna CE in Canada

And
Toyota Sienna LE in US has lesser option too than Toyota Sienna LE in Canada. so I need to add all the options to get the price differents.

Yes we save money but unfortunely I didn't see 12k or 10k saving yet.

Also , I check the Toyota Highlander 2008 price. Toyota Highlander 2008 US starting price with 2x4 model, but Toyota Highlander 2008 Canada staring price with 4x4 model with more options.


Anyway , I contact few toyota dealers, and they offer me some discounts ... the most discount that I can get is around $1000 ... also they charge extra fee for dealer's fee around 600$ ...


I hate them, they take advantage of us.

[longdong]

also one more thing, I check autos.yahoo.com for the national average selling price (and invoice price) ... I try to deal as hard has I can .. but I couldn't get the natioonal average selling price ... looks like the deader around the border they want to sell at a higher price now

[RichHi]

I am thinking of import a new Toyota Prius from US (may be bufferlo)
And have the following questions in case anyone had done it before.

1/ Will it get the Canaidian rebate for hybrid?
2/ Is there a good dealership one can recommend?
3/ Any good agencies who can handle the hard work in case I want to hire a gun to do it?
4/ Will the car still be covered by Canadian warranty? with the same terms and conditions?

Thanks a million.
Rich

[vim]

After doing some research on vehicle , and carefully compare option by option. I can see the price different between US and Canada is around 6-7000$ as of today rate exchange (almost 1 to 1).

Toyota Sienna CE in US has lesser option than Toyota Sienna CE in Canada

And
Toyota Sienna LE in US has lesser option too than Toyota Sienna LE in Canada. so I need to add all the options to get the price differents.

Yes we save money but unfortunely I didn't see 12k or 10k saving yet.


My findings - I think if you are good at negotiating here in Canada you could get about 2000-2500$ off MSRP price from Sienna. That is what I heared.
In US Sienna LE + Pckg 2 is roughly equal to Canadian Sienna LE. Did you find any more options on Canadian Sienna?
In US Sienna LE + Pckg 2 is sold for about 26000, maybe 27000 all fees are in (but no import fee or canadian tax). In Canada Sienna LE cost :
37225 - 2225$ (discount) + 1400 (delivery inspection) = 36400$.

How are you getting your numbers?

[longdong]

My findings - I think if you are good at negotiating here in Canada you could get about 2000-2500$ off MSRP price from Sienna. That is what I heared.
In US Sienna LE + Pckg 2 is roughly equal to Canadian Sienna LE. Did you find any more options on Canadian Sienna?
In US Sienna LE + Pckg 2 is sold for about 26000, maybe 27000 all fees are in (but no import fee or canadian tax). In Canada Sienna LE cost :
37225 - 2225$ (discount) + 1400 (delivery inspection) = 36400$.

How are you getting your numbers?


Yes, I got the quote from www.toyota.com, so is around 27455$ with alloy wheel and Daytime Running Lights (Toyota Sienna LE in Canada already has alloy wheal and daytime running lights )... you may get discount 800$ at max for 2008 model. For 2007 models, you can get around 2200$ discount.


And the price has around: 27455$ + dealer fee: 600$ + transport (700$) = 28755 + 200$ (at the border) + Fee at Canadian Tire = 29000$ ...

So basically we can save around 7000$ at most.

[noobienoob]

so i'm in the market for a US corolla to bring up to Canada...i'm also considering buying a used corolla as dealers might be allow to sell that too.

please advice.

Thanks

[Georgian]

Some one posted that there is an old law suit that Toyota Canada lost on warranty work on US cars

" Toyota Canada Inc. v. Lipetz, 1998 CanLII 4473 (BC S.C.) "

I wonder where I can print out this case (I googled but found nothing). Since there are some Manufactuers still do not honor US warranty (such as Honda). Wonder if
this case would compell them to do so.

Or some lawyers from RFD community should sue them and Toyota for hindering free trade.

[longdong]

so i'm in the market for a US corolla to bring up to Canada...i'm also considering buying a used corolla as dealers might be allow to sell that too.

please advice.

Thanks

ha ... corolla .. not much different you can save 2000$ at best .. used car ? almost the same price in Canada, maybe more expensive .. (as always you need to count option by option to have exactly the same thing in Canada).

I understand now why people here bought Subaru in US, the discount is enormous over 10k ... I may consider Subaru instead

[Yorker86]

ha ... corolla .. not much different you can save 2000$ at best .. used car ? almost the same price in Canada, maybe more expensive .. (as always you need to count option by option to have exactly the same thing in Canada).

I understand now why people here bought Subaru in US, the discount is enormous over 10k ... I may consider Subaru instead


Hi Canadian dealer

I think you can save a little bit more than $2 000 dollars. Also, its not just Subaru that you can save a bundle on, its other auto brands such as Toyota, Honda, Ford, GMC.... Its all in this thread. The price difference for vehicles bought in the U.S is also not 6-7k like you claim, its more than that depending on what you purchase.

But in any case, why are you here? You must be pretty well off if $2 000 dollars to you is just a "ha".

[mak]

ha ... corolla .. not much different you can save 2000$ at best .. used car ? almost the same price in Canada, maybe more expensive .. (as always you need to count option by option to have exactly the same thing in Canada).

I understand now why people here bought Subaru in US, the discount is enormous over 10k ... I may consider Subaru instead

$2000 is $2000, can buy a years worth of gas or a hell of a lot of Timmies. I think now it's more about principal than anything. Car Manufacturers and Dealers are screwing us plain and simple. They are uncooperative and almost monopolistic in their ways. Many have already mentioned about going into showrooms and being given the cold shoulder, unable to strike a deal for a decent price, and of course one can't find invoice pricing in Canada cause they don't want you to know. After all check out the huge rebates/incentives each U.S. company has going. In Canada they are giving out peanuts in comparison.

I am 90% positive I'll be purchasing a vehicle in the U.S. primarly cause I can save money. Every dollar counts in my books and with the currency at par, I'll exchange my loonies and hold on and wait for deals to arise in the U.S. as the sub-prime market explodes.

[vim]

Yes, I got the quote from www.toyota.com, so is around 27455$ with alloy wheel and Daytime Running Lights (Toyota Sienna LE in Canada already has alloy wheal and daytime running lights )... you may get discount 800$ at max for 2008 model. For 2007 models, you can get around 2200$ discount.


And the price has around: 27455$ + dealer fee: 600$ + transport (700$) = 28755 + 200$ (at the border) + Fee at Canadian Tire = 29000$ ...

So basically we can save around 7000$ at most.

I received e-quote today for LE+Pckg 2: 25516$ + Fees. If fees add up to 1500, then total price 27000$. You pay tax on 27000 so + 3780 = 30780.

With canadian price:
37200-1000 (Discount) + 1400 (PDI) = 37600 + 5264 tax = 42864.

Problem is - find dealer that sells it to you. I am still trying to find a dealer that is North enough. In more south states Sienna does not have DRL+winshield de-icer option.

[longdong]

Hi Canadian dealer

I think you can save a little bit more than $2 000 dollars. Also, its not just Subaru that you can save a bundle on, its other auto brands such as Toyota, Honda, Ford, GMC.... Its all in this thread. The price difference for vehicles bought in the U.S is also not 6-7k like you claim, its more than that depending on what you purchase.

But in any case, why are you here? You must be pretty well off if $2 000 dollars to you is just a "ha".

Also, can you show me that you can save more than 2000$ dollars on a Toyota Corolla (apple with apple , with the comparable options) ... get the price quote from dealer on a Toyota Dealer and then you can get back to me.

Sorry I was claiming on Toyota Sienna (to save 7000$, it's still good no ?), it's very depending on model that you can save. If you can get me a better deal, please help me I'm very appreciated.

we are here to learn from each other the best discount that we can get from different dealer ... I'm searching for Honda Odyssey and Nissan Quest .. but so far I got Toyota Sienna has a better discount than other 2 ... please back your words before accusing someone ..

Post facts not just blabla bla ... without any merit ..

Also concerning Ford , GMC ... do you know that in Canada you can get roughly 5000$ to 8000$ discount from dealers ... and comparing to US .. and then get back to me (so there is no way for me to buy Ford or GM or Chrylser from US, not worth for my time).

Show me the money man , show me where can I get the good price for Honda Odyssey or Nissan Quest ... (if I can save around 6k for the price of 30k, again apple with apple , not apple with orange).

[Tender]

Yes, I got the quote from www.toyota.com, so is around 27455$ with alloy wheel and Daytime Running Lights (Toyota Sienna LE in Canada already has alloy wheal and daytime running lights )... you may get discount 800$ at max for 2008 model. For 2007 models, you can get around 2200$ discount.


And the price has around: 27455$ + dealer fee: 600$ + transport (700$) = 28755 + 200$ (at the border) + Fee at Canadian Tire = 29000$ ...

So basically we can save around 7000$ at most.

ha ... corolla .. not much different you can save 2000$ at best .. used car ? almost the same price in Canada, maybe more expensive .. (as always you need to count option by option to have exactly the same thing in Canada).

I understand now why people here bought Subaru in US, the discount is enormous over 10k ... I may consider Subaru instead

I'm not sure about you. But $7,000 or $2,000 are both a LOT to me.

[Rehan]

Just as a reminder... Although you may be saving $10k-ish on the purchase of the new vehicle, some of those savings will be wiped out when it comes time to sell the car -- US model cars typically sell for less in Canada than their Canadian counterparts. I was browsing Toyota Siennas on trader.ca, and there's a 2006 Sienna LE listed for several thousand less than other '06 Sienna LE's and even less than some CE's.

(There's a thread here (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=488457) about the reasons why US cars sell for less...)

[thien]

Yes, I got the quote from www.toyota.com, so is around 27455$ with alloy wheel and Daytime Running Lights (Toyota Sienna LE in Canada already has alloy wheal and daytime running lights )... you may get discount 800$ at max for 2008 model. For 2007 models, you can get around 2200$ discount.


And the price has around: 27455$ + dealer fee: 600$ + transport (700$) = 28755 + 200$ (at the border) + Fee at Canadian Tire = 29000$ ...

So basically we can save around 7000$ at most.

I'm buying 2, 2008 Siennas 8 passenger LE option pack3 savings around $12K. The 2008 are priced lower than the 2007, reason being the VSC and alloy wheels come as standard equipment. My dealer fee $100, destination $685, driving it back to calgary (gas=$200), RIV fee $200, GST.

Everything landed in Calgary = $30K
Buying from local dealer = $42K
Savings = $12K

Who ever posted that they can get $2K off MSRP from a Canadian Toyota Dealer, let me take a puff of the joint you're smoking! You are lucky if they give you $100 off MSRP and tell you they are giving you a deal. I've tried the dealerships in Calgary.

[thebat88]

Does anyone has a broker contact that will import car from Buffalo to Toronto?
(Toyota/Lexus)

Thanks

[longdong]

I received e-quote today for LE+Pckg 2: 25516$ + Fees. If fees add up to 1500, then total price 27000$. You pay tax on 27000 so + 3780 = 30780.

With canadian price:
37200-1000 (Discount) + 1400 (PDI) = 37600 + 5264 tax = 42864.

Problem is - find dealer that sells it to you. I am still trying to find a dealer that is North enough. In more south states Sienna does not have DRL+winshield de-icer option.

So the dealer that willing sell to me, they are asking for : 27455$ + dealer fee: 600$ + transport (700$) = 28755 + 200$ (at the border) + Fee at Canadian Tire = 29000$ + 4350$ = 32500$ (Mine is for 2008 Toyota Sienna model)

But BTW, your e-quote , is it 2007 model or 2008 model , I don't really think that you can get that price for 2008 model . Yes I'm considering for another dealer with 2007 model with that price quote.

[Rehan]

Who ever posted that they can get $2K off MSRP from a Canadian Toyota Dealer, let me take a puff of the joint you're smoking! You are lucky if they give you $100 off MSRP and tell you they are giving you a deal. I've tried the dealerships in Calgary. Through www.cars4u.com (Toronto area only, I think), you can get about $1000 off MSRP without any haggling. I don't think $2k is out of the question for someone that negotiates really well.

Regardless, saving $12k is much better than saving $2k. :)

[HighFlyer]

Just as a reminder... Although you may be saving $10k-ish on the purchase of the new vehicle, some of those savings will be wiped out when it comes time to sell the car -- US model cars typically sell for less in Canada than their Canadian counterparts.
Yes that is true. Although if the currency gap doesn't narrow in a few years, many of the current purchasers will probably be buying from the US again.... so they can trade their cars in there.

Many of us are planning on driving our cars into the ground, so resale value may not even matter.

[fireguy9]

I have imported once already without a problem. Has anyone brought there vehicle to the U.S dealer to trade towards another vehicle????

[fireguy9]

Does anyone has a broker contact that will import car from Buffalo to Toronto?
(Toyota/Lexus)

Thanks

Do it yourself,,, its simple!

[LiquidGoop]

Some one posted that there is an old law suit that Toyota Canada lost on warranty work on US cars

" Toyota Canada Inc. v. Lipetz, 1998 CanLII 4473 (BC S.C.) "

I wonder where I can print out this case (I googled but found nothing). Since there are some Manufactuers still do not honor US warranty (such as Honda). Wonder if
this case would compell them to do so.

Or some lawyers from RFD community should sue them and Toyota for hindering free trade.

This (http://www.courts.gov.bc.ca/jdb-txt/sc/98/14/s98-1474.txt) is the judgement you're probably after. 9 Years is likely enough for them have resolved the naming ambiguity which to me seemed to be the only thing in question. Toyota's warranty explicitly covers Canada, which was a factor in the above.

[Chopstick]

Does anyone know if the 2008 Sienna are admissable into Canada?

Looking at RIV website, they only list 2007 models of the Toyota vehicles.

[johnsa]

Also, can you show me that you can save more than 2000$ dollars on a Toyota Corolla (apple with apple , with the comparable options) ... get the price quote from dealer on a Toyota Dealer and then you can get back to me.

Sorry I was claiming on Toyota Sienna (to save 7000$, it's still good no ?), it's very depending on model that you can save. If you can get me a better deal, please help me I'm very appreciated.

we are here to learn from each other the best discount that we can get from different dealer ... I'm searching for Honda Odyssey and Nissan Quest .. but so far I got Toyota Sienna has a better discount than other 2 ... please back your words before accusing someone ..

Post facts not just blabla bla ... without any merit ..

Also concerning Ford , GMC ... do you know that in Canada you can get roughly 5000$ to 8000$ discount from dealers ... and comparing to US .. and then get back to me (so there is no way for me to buy Ford or GM or Chrylser from US, not worth for my time).

Show me the money man , show me where can I get the good price for Honda Odyssey or Nissan Quest ... (if I can save around 6k for the price of 30k, again apple with apple , not apple with orange).


I just imported a Maxima and am not ruling a out a new Quest SE LOADED, to replace our 06 s which sells at some dealers for 22k USD..the SE is aas low as 29-30k which is 44k+ up here..don;t take my word for it ..check www.herbgordonspecials.com


P.S or you could buy my 2006 special edition with 20,000km for about $20k..then I'll go to the US and buy the SE......

[sleepaholic]

My wife is an American citizen, I am canadian. We moved back to Toronto from LA in 2002. But we still maintain US bank accounts, and her credit history is good and goes back 20 years.

I know that I would not be able to get financing from NY, but what do you think the chances that she would be able to?

[johnsa]

I just imported a Maxima and am not ruling a out a new Quest SE LOADED, to replace our 06 s which sells at some dealers for 22k USD..the SE is aas low as 29-30k which is 44k+ up here..don;t take my word for it ..check www.herbgordonspecials.com


P.S or you could buy my 2006 special edition with 20,000km for about $20k..then I'll go to the US and buy the SE......[/QUOTE]


P.S.S. you won't come anywhere close in savings on the Odyssey vs the Quest or Sienna.....

[michelb]

My wife is an American citizen, I am canadian. We moved back to Toronto from LA in 2002. But we still maintain US bank accounts, and her credit history is good and goes back 20 years.

I know that I would not be able to get financing from NY, but what do you think the chances that she would be able to?

Easiest thing to do is ask but I'm 99.9% certain that while you won't have any problems getting a car loan, when you get a loan, they'll put a lien on the car and you won't be able to export the car because it will have a lien.

Let us know if you find out any different.

[harria5]

Just as a reminder... Although you may be saving $10k-ish on the purchase of the new vehicle, some of those savings will be wiped out when it comes time to sell the car -- US model cars typically sell for less in Canada than their Canadian counterparts. I was browsing Toyota Siennas on trader.ca, and there's a 2006 Sienna LE listed for several thousand less than other '06 Sienna LE's and even less than some CE's.

(There's a thread here (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=488457) about the reasons why US cars sell for less...)

Looks like there are dealers selling imported Toyota Siennas on trader.ca. The pisser is that they seem to favour the LE model which is comparable to the CE sold here but has nowhere near the feature content a Canadian LE has.

Do a search on 2007 Toyota Sienna LE and you will see many with black exterior mirrors (Canadian ones are painted body colour) and steel wheels w/wheelcovers (Canadian LEs come with 16" alloy wheels). I was able to zoom in on the IP on two and the spedos are in KM/h, so they have even replaced the instrument pods... I wonder if the mileage is even correct?

To an uninformed car buyer, these would seem like unbelievable deals but they are being hosed yet again by Canadian car dealers!


Those bastards!

[CheapScotsman]

Some one posted that there is an old law suit that Toyota Canada lost on warranty work on US cars

" Toyota Canada Inc. v. Lipetz, 1998 CanLII 4473 (BC S.C.) "

I wonder where I can print out this case (I googled but found nothing). Since there are some Manufactuers still do not honor US warranty (such as Honda). Wonder if
this case would compell them to do so.

Or some lawyers from RFD community should sue them and Toyota for hindering free trade.

The BC S.C above mean British Columbia Supreme Court. Their website is here: http://www.courts.gov.bc.ca/index.asp

The case you are looking for is here: http://www.courts.gov.bc.ca/jdb-txt/sc/98/14/s98-1474.txt

My Summary: His extended warranty was between the appellant and "Toyota" (not specifically naming Toyota USA or Toyota Canada or Toyota Insurance". The ruling was:

[36] This is a contract which, although made in the United
States of America with respect to a car purchased there,
specifically provides that repairs performed in Canada would be
covered. By using their trade name "Toyota" in the agreement
it seems to me clear that in the event of a dispute arising
under the agreement with respect to repairs performed in Canada
Mr. Lipetz should be able to pursue Toyota in Canada. I reject
any suggestion it was intended he should pursue one unnamed
corporate entity after another, many of which he has never
heard of, until he is finally able to discover one which will
accept responsibility under the agreement. Toyota says in the
agreement it is a party. In Canada Toyota is Toyota Canada
Inc.

[billyh55]

just closed a deal on a new 2007 nissan maxima SL
who says there is no savings?
the cars are identical or darn near in canada and the US
I am guessing after I pay for it I am saving about $10,000.00 after all my costs including having it delivered here but could have saved more if i went and picked it up and did my own paper work
have a friend who knows importing and he is having it delivered here and registered in my province etc...
saw similar or same car advertised in my province for $5000 more at a CHEV dealer so am guessing it is a US import since it is advertised as used but only200 kilometers
thanks to monsieur and others who have this site and those that answered my questions
now back to shopping for some kinda crossover either the enclave or the tribeca and sure I will save another 10,000.00 with the dollar climbing more

[ygtgxi]

what is the list of cars again that are made in the states and are duty free for import into canada? i cannot seem to find the list again

[orion747]

Interesting - I see Toyota has lowered the price of an 08 RAV 4 V6


2007 Price: 37,070
2008 Price: 35,745

3.6% decrease. Chips away a bit at the discrepancy but it's still about 4K savings to buy from the US.

Try harder Toyota. Hopefully continued pressure by all of us can change the auto manufacturer's minds.

[crasher]

It is ridiculous that BMW is charging $500 for the recall letter. It is your vehicle and you have right to obtain any information on that. Hope somebody challange them in court. I am planning to get one, next year. :twisted:

[Spare-Flair]

Has anybody imported a Civic SI (2-Door) recentely? Any details? With the Civic having the digital KPH to MPH switch, that makes one less thing to worry about. They are built in Canada in the first place, just bringing it back!

Looking on ebay motors, the prices seem $10,000 cheaper!

[Rehan]

Looks like there are dealers selling imported Toyota Siennas on trader.ca. The pisser is that they seem to favour the LE model which is comparable to the CE sold here but has nowhere near the feature content a Canadian LE has.

Do a search on 2007 Toyota Sienna LE and you will see many with black exterior mirrors (Canadian ones are painted body colour) and steel wheels w/wheelcovers (Canadian LEs come with 16" alloy wheels). I was able to zoom in on the IP on two and the spedos are in KM/h, so they have even replaced the instrument pods... I wonder if the mileage is even correct?

To an uninformed car buyer, these would seem like unbelievable deals but they are being hosed yet again by Canadian car dealers! Good catch! No wonder Kanata Ford has a dozen or more nearly new Toyota Siennas on its lot. :|

[Shojin]

Pardon my question if it's been answered before but I don't have the time to read through 1000s of posts.

If you plan to sell a car you purchased in the US in say, 5 years, is it not likely that you will receive less for it than a Canadian model of same age/specs? IE, the buyer may be wary of purchasing an import vehicle for whatever reason.

Hence, even though you may be saving money when you buy and import, you give up some of those savings when you sell since you'll get less than market value for it. Is it still worth it then to go through the hassle of importing? Would this be of greatest value to those that intent to keep the car forever?

[longdong]

I just imported a Maxima and am not ruling a out a new Quest SE LOADED, to replace our 06 s which sells at some dealers for 22k USD..the SE is aas low as 29-30k which is 44k+ up here..don;t take my word for it ..check www.herbgordonspecials.com


P.S or you could buy my 2006 special edition with 20,000km for about $20k..then I'll go to the US and buy the SE......


P.S.S. you won't come anywhere close in savings on the Odyssey vs the Quest or Sienna.....[/QUOTE]


wahhh ... I just checked your website ... amazing man ... they offer for a huge discount on Nissan Quest ... MSRP 25k and Internet price is 18k ... Sorry Sienna .... I will definitely ... check the nissan Quest ... unbelievable

[marklin]

Good catch! No wonder Kanata Ford has a dozen or more nearly new Toyota Siennas on its lot. :|

Ah no wonder... I was going like "since when did Kanata Ford become Kanata Toyota.." when I passed by the other day, and indeed, those Siennas are all listed with miles on instead of km!!

[shopper-X]

Ah no wonder... I was going like "since when did Kanata Ford become Kanata Toyota.." when I passed by the other day, and indeed, those Siennas are all listed with miles on instead of km!!

Wow!
All these dealers crying because Canadians are shopping south of the border, but it's OK for them to do so, how hypercritical.

[elmst200]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070921.wxdollargouge21/BNStory/robNews

Identical cars, clothes, books come cheaper in U.S.
Canadian-dollar prices are on average 24 per cent higher than U.S.-dollar prices on the same items, according to a study
PAUL WALDIE AND GREG KEENAN

From Friday's Globe and Mail

September 21, 2007 at 4:07 AM EDT

When Huck Baldwin was looking for a new car a couple of weeks ago, he headed to Seattle and saved about $13,000.

"The savings are huge," said Mr. Baldwin, who lives in Vancouver. "I think everyone should do it."

Mr. Baldwin saved so much on his 2008 Subaru Outback that he has already put it up for sale in Vancouver and plans to buy another one in Seattle with the proceeds. "I figure I've got nothing to lose," he said. "If I sell it and make a couple of grand, I'll do it again."

With the loonie hitting parity with the U.S. greenback yesterday, before closing at 99.87 cents, Canadians are starting to compare and question the price they pay for everything from cars to magazines, books, clothes and even comics.


According to a study released yesterday by Doug Porter, deputy chief economist at the Bank of Montreal, Canadian-dollar prices are on average 24 per cent higher than U.S.-dollar prices on identical goods.

"I'm not a political person - I'm not an activist - but this particular situation has me so riled up for some reason that I talk to my friends and my blood starts to boil," said Sam Gonchor, a Toronto businessman who recently bought a Subaru Tribeca in Buffalo, N.Y., for $32,122.50 (U.S.). The same car sells for a suggested $41,995 in Canada. "Why should there be a [$10,000] difference on the exact same vehicle?"

Mr. Gonchor related his experience to his neighbour, who will pick up a 2008 Hyundai Sonata mid-sized car in Buffalo next week and save about $6,000. In general, as long as the cars are made in North America, there is no duty and buyers only pay GST and PST.

"People are getting tired of paying the huge prices here," said Zabin Somani, a Victoria entrepreneur who recently created ucanimport.com to help people buy cars across the border. Since the dollar closed in on parity this week, her site has been flooded with hits. "I am overwhelmed. It has taken on a life of its own."

Cars are among the easiest items for comparison shopping and some auto makers are taking note.

Toyota dealers in Canada said the cross-border issue dominated a recent dealer meeting, prompting that company to put a notice on its website outlining why Canadians should buy cars here. Only Toyota vehicles earmarked for Canada are eligible for rebates and other incentives offered by Toyota Canada Inc., the company said. But it also noted that it will honour warranties on new vehicles purchased in the United States.

Dennis DesRosiers, president of DesRosiers Automotive Consultants Inc., argues that Canadian car prices are not out of line. He issued a study earlier this week which said that on about 75 per cent of the vehicles sold in Canada, the price gap was insignificant. Vehicle companies in Canada are adjusting prices by offering rebates, low-interest loans and other incentives to Canadian buyers, he added.

Other retailers are also starting to feel a push back from customers. The price gap "scares me," said Jason Guralnick, who owns the Swank Boutique in Winnipeg.

Mr. Guralnick said he can control the price on clothes he imports from the United States, but he has to buy many top American brands from Canadian distributors who have not adjusted their prices to reflect the stronger currency. As a result, he has been trying to sell jeans at $400 even though they cost $300 (U.S.) online.

"Right now some of the price differences are way out of line," said Mr. Guralnick, who watches customers come in, try on clothes and then go home to buy them online. "It's definitely a concern. I'm just going to have to bite the bullet - because I don't want to be stuck - and lower the price."

Booksellers face a similar dilemma because most books, magazines and greeting cards are printed with a suggested Canadian and U.S. price. The Canadian price can be as much as 20 per cent higher.

"I've stopped buying at the local store," said Hervé St. Louis, an animator in Calgary who runs a website called comicbookbin.com. Mr. St. Louis said the latest issue of the Justice League of America comic carried a price of $3.50 U.S. or $4.25 in Canada. He said he now buys all his comics and magazines online.

Jacqueline Hushion, a spokeswoman for the Canadian Publishers' Council, said publishers have cut suggested Canadian prices on new books but it will take time to adjust all prices. The industry may also rethink printing prices on books, she added. "This is all going to settle out. It just takes time," she said.

Diane Brisebois, president and chief executive of the Retail Council of Canada, said overall prices have been falling as the dollar strengthens, but there is a lag.

"The stuff you're seeing in the stores today was purchased by most of the retailers back in January, so it was purchased at a different exchange rate," she said. "If the dollar continues to remain strong, for those retailers who are sourcing outside of Canada, they will, in the quarters ahead, be able to pass on those savings."

With a report from Virginia Galt

What a buck buys

A comparison of popular purchases north and south of the border shows only a Starbucks coffee is cheaper in Canada.

Apple 80 GB Canada U.S.
iPod Classic - (bestbuy.ca) (bestbuy.com)
Silver $279.99 $249.99

Harry Potter Canada U.S.
And the (amazon.ca) (amazon.com
Deathly Hallows $22.50 $19.24

Lululemon Canada U.S.
Yoga Relaxed Fit (Vancouver) (Bellevue, Wash.)
Cropped Pants $79.00 $69.00

Starbucks Canada U.S.
Grande Brewed (Toronto) (Buffalo)
Coffee $2.00 $2.01

Gas price for Canada U.S.
Regular unleaded - (Vancouver) (Seattle)
On Sept. 18 105.5cents/litre 76.4 cents/litre

2007 Canada U.S.
Impala SS (gmcanada.com) (autos.yahoo.com)
MSRP $35,560 $28,040

MIKE FAILLE/THE GLOBE AND MAIL

GAS PRICES: M.J. ERVIN AND ASSOCIATES

[dheath]

Finally a media outlet that is telling it like it is. Subaru Canada probably won't like this free advertising. Let's see what they do.

[Rehan]

Some retailers/dealers are arguing that it's just an effect of lag and prices will adjust themselves over time, but that argument is bogus. It's not as if the dollar instantly jumped from US$0.75 to US$1.00... Even in 2006, it was around $0.90, yet we have never really seen any of those exchange rates reflected in local prices.

And for sure Canadian dealers aren't going to drop their prices dramatically. This thread will live for a long time.

[HighFlyer]

Some retailers/dealers are arguing that it's just an effect of lag and prices will adjust themselves over time, but that argument is bogus. It's not as if the dollar instantly jumped from US$0.75 to US$1.00... Even in 2006, it was around $0.90, yet we have never really seen any of those exchange rates reflected in local prices.

And for sure Canadian dealers aren't going to drop their prices dramatically. This thread will live for a long time.

And when the dollar went the other way, Canadian retailers were falling all over themselves to instantly adjust the prices upwards to compensate :mad:

[HighFlyer]

oh, and from the article....

Vehicle companies in Canada are adjusting prices by offering rebates, low-interest loans and other incentives to Canadian buyers, he added.

uh huh...

I asked both the Canadian and US Subaru dealer if they offered incentives for paying in cash;

Canadian dealer: No, we haven't done that in a long time.

US dealer: Yes, there's a $1000 factory to dealer cash incentive.

[johnsa]

P.S.S. you won't come anywhere close in savings on the Odyssey vs the Quest or Sienna.....


wahhh ... I just checked your website ... amazing man ... they offer for a huge discount on Nissan Quest ... MSRP 25k and Internet price is 18k ... Sorry Sienna .... I will definitely ... check the nissan Quest ... unbelievable[/QUOTE]

Deal with Ana and tell her Andy sent ya.........


:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[diigii]

It's a banner year for Subaru America. I'm pretty sure that they don't give a damn about Subaru Canada and their dealers for their lackluster year. All you could hear is laughter behind closed doors while Subaru Canadian execs are on the phone on hold. :lol:

[diigii]

wahhh ... I just checked your website ... amazing man ... they offer for a huge discount on Nissan Quest ... MSRP 25k and Internet price is 18k ... Sorry Sienna .... I will definitely ... check the nissan Quest ... unbelievable

Deal with Ana and tell her Andy sent ya.........


:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D[/QUOTE]

Tell her Gary says "Hi" too! :cheesygri Maybe I should email her just to say hi and catch up with her.

[RedBargainz]

I'm interested in getting the new 2008 Accord LX-P sedan from the US. I have not yet finished reading this entire thread :eek: I was wondering if anyone has looked into the new accord...what type of savings there can be? Honda Warranty, What needs to be done with the car itself etc...Thanks in advance...now back to the reading :)

[G-StaR]

from what ive read is honda's warranty is not vaild in canada, and there are no exceptions, as far as mods to the car to have it imported i doubt you will need any but check if its on RIV admissable list

[Kwik-E-Mart]

Somebody needs to know the background to this DesRosiers person.

Who did he work for in the past?

Where are the sources of contribution coming from towards his research?

[Indijones]

Could someone please provide me with the details of some Toyota dealers near GTA across the border that I could contact to buy a new Corolla/Camry.

[g2fl]

from what ive read is honda's warranty is not vaild in canada, and there are no exceptions, as far as mods to the car to have it imported i doubt you will need any but check if its on RIV admissable list

This also applies to certified used and Acura vehicles. Just got off the phone with an Acura Rep. and they indicated because of a "reciprocal agreement" between Honda Canada and Honda America, the warranty will not be covered for non-US citizens.

Pure BS... oh well .... time to look at a lexus instead...

[warpdryv]

----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis DesRosiers
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 2:04 PM
Subject: Canada US pricing


Well I reallllllllly did it this time. Earlier this week I published our annual Canada - US light vehicle pricing report and needless to say it did not sit well with a lot of consumers across Canada. The nerve of me to actually write an article that supported the position of the vehicle companies in Canada. Shame on me. I'll follow this note with some samples of what consumers are writing and they all are saying the same thing. They each identify a particular vehicle, usually on the web, and claim that the price differential is substantial and that Canadians therefore are being 'ripped off'. None of them adjust those prices for equipment and trim level differences and none of them adjust for incentives and transaction price differentials. And these adjustments are critical to get a fair representation of cross border pricing. For instance, I believe Chrysler hasn't offered a base model 4 cylinder mini van in Canada since about 1992. Comparing our 6 cylinder minivans to American 4 cylinder minivans is not accurate. Another example. You would be hard pressed to find a 2 wheel drive SUV in Canada almost all are 4 wheel drive whereas in the US 2 wheel drive is still quite popular. Consumers don't understand these differences and simply going onto the internet and looking up the price of any vehicle does not accurately reflect cross border pricing. Indeed, in most cases where these adjustments are made and thus an"apples to apples" situation exists, most of the price differentials disappear or are substantially reduced.

The basic points I made in my Observations earlier this week were this:

1. The price differentials are purely the result of exchange rate movements rather than changes in base prices ( some actually believe prices in Canada have gone up, they haven't)
2. The price differential in about 2/3'rds of the market is relatively small and it is not worth the effort for consumers/dealers/wholesalers to shop in the US or even worth the effort for the OEMs to adjust prices
3. The average MSRP in some segments have come down as a result of the exchange rate and average transaction prices (which I admit we can't accurately track) have come down even more. Consumers are indeed benefiting from our strong dollar and are NOT being 'ripped' off as many want to believe. Of course, when you read the e-mails that are coming my way, I'm now considered to have sold out to the OEMs and/or have done shoddy research. Those who know me realize that this is ridiculous.
4. The OEMs with high exposure to vehicle exports (GM, Ford, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda and Suzuki) may actually be in a worse position because of the strength in our dollar rather than in better position. They are likely net losers in this complex exchange rate question because they export so many vehicles from Canada.
5. There are vehicles in Canada where there is a substantial price differential and where it would appear that there would be benefits for consumers to shop in the US.
6. If you examine each and every vehicle in any OEMs product portfolio you can usually identify one or two where some price adjustments should be made. But it is not all or even most of their vehicles, it is one or two ... that's all. By the way, any OEM that would like help on this issue should call us, we've helped a couple OEMs through this issue and have some really good insights.
7. Vehicle pricing comprises a very complex algorithm of variables including some very soft philosophical approaches to the market and exchange rates is only one of about a dozen or more variables that need to be examined. For OEMs to only respond to price changes and not these other variables would be a very big mistake.
8. For the most part, the markets are working. Many Canadians may not want to believe this but the facts show that the market is adjusting quite nicely to the strong Canadian dollar.
9. The exchange rate issue is being highly over blown by many ... especially consumers ... but also some car dealers ... and some in the media.

It is worth exploring this issue a little more carefully.

First there is very little evidence that consumers or car dealers are being hurt by these price differentials. Remember prices for the most part are coming down NOT going up. Dealer margins are up NOT down. Now some dealers may have wanted a bigger share of any exchange rate bonus that is out there, but dealers are not being hurt. Heck, we are tracking at almost a 1.8 million units market this year which if it holds in the last quarter will be an all time record level of new vehicle sales. In this kind of market, virtually everyone, including dealers make more money not less money. I don't buy, in any way shape or form, the notion that somehow car dealers are being seriously hurt by any price differential that exists. To be sure they can all identify a customer that is complaining about the price of their vehicle in Canada relative to some unproven price in the US. But most if not all of these consumers are lying throw their teeth when they claim they bought their vehicle in the US instead of Canada. Very few have or are capable of doing this. (see next point). The are simply using US prices as negotiating leverage with their dealers, the vast percentage are still buying in Canada if they are purchasing at all. And consumers are benefiting from lower prices so it is hard to make the argument that they are being hard done to.

Second, the volume of new vehicles bought in the US and brought into Canada in actually very small and it is simply not true that hundreds of thousands of Canadians have flocked to the US to buy a new vehicle. This is a lie. There is a requirement for any vehicle imported into Canada to go through a formal importing process so we can track volumes coming through the border. The following table documents these volumes going back to 2000. Last year volumes exceeded 100K for the first time and are on track for about 150K for full year 2007. But most of these vehicles are used and not new. Maybe 20 to 25K are new. This year Canadians will buy about 4.4 million light vehicles new and used. (1.7ish new and 2.5ish used). I would argue that 150K imports represents a very small fraction of the market. I'm struggling to find the "beef" in this issue. Most are trying to sensationalize these price differentials when there is actually very little meat on the bones. Imports of new and used vehicles will represent about 3 percent of the total market this year, that's all. So don't believe most of the stories you read about Canadians flocking by the thousands to the US to buy their vehicles. Yes there are some but most NEW vehicles imported into Canada are by professional wholesalers and car dealers who know how to get around the restrictions US dealers have selling to Canadians. Understand that there is nothing illegal about a consumer or a car dealer/wholesaler buying a vehicle in the US and bringing it into Canada provided they go through the proper channels, pay the taxes due and certify it for Canadian regulatory standards. But every new car dealer in the US is restricted in their franchise agreement from selling vehicles "for export purpose's" and most will not knowingly sell to a Canadian consumer. Most Joe blow consumers that go to the US will be turned away and this is one of the reasons why the numbers are so low. One can argue whether these restrictions are fair or not fair but if a US car dealer is caught selling to a Canadian they could lose their franchise. Is it really worth it? The answer is clearly NO so most will not do it. Can you find the odd dealer that will stand up to their factory or will back door vehicles into Canada? ... absolutely ........ but it is very dangerous for them to do this. The new product that is coming into Canada is being imported by professionals who take their fair share if not more than their fair share of any price differential. So if there is a $2 or $3K price difference on the internet, the ordinary consumer would be lucky to see half of that and probably less. These wholesales do not offer their services for free.

[diigii]

Could someone please provide me with the details of some Toyota dealers near GTA across the border that I could contact to buy a new Corolla/Camry.

Don't sweat it. US dealers along the border states will not sell new to you. You gotta go further south to find one willing to sell, if you want the idea of paying state tax too. So you will be taxed twice: in the US and in Canada when you bring it over.

[warpdryv]

...These wholesales do not offer their services for free.

Vehicles Imported into Canada
2007YTD 64,096
2006YTD 49,709
2006 112,826
2005 72,639
2004 60,389
2003 48,753
2002 38,923
2001 31,303
2000 28,019

Third, if Canadians were being taken advantage of in the market then why would they be buying so many new vehicles? Again we are on a pace to set an all time record in new vehicle sales. If pricing was out of line then this could not have happened. The prices paid by Canadians are the prices that the market will bear. If they were too high then Canadians would be rejecting them and the market would be down quite a bit instead of up quite a bit. If any Canadian is that upset about our prices versus the US then they should just not pay them, pure and simple.

Fourth, are the price differentials that exist legitimate? This is a tougher question because it is very OEM specific if not model by model specific. To be sure the OEMs are struggling to keep up with the pace of the dollar in that it is a moving target and it is moving very rapidly. Just look at this year. In January the dollar was about 87-88 cents, by March it had fallen to about 83-84 cent, today it is near par. What exchange rates do Canadians want OEMs to use? The average this year, the spot rate or some longer term tracking? With an average transaction price about $30K, if OEMs had used the spot rate then prices would have been up and or down by about $5K per vehicle month to month this year. This kind of pricing volatility would not be tolerated by the market or even be wise to do since it would force most consumers to the sidelines guessing on what exchange rates would be day to day. A real stupid move. The OEMs also use fairly sophisticated hedging strategies so they may be still operating in the mid 80 cent range rather than the par dollar we see today. And indeed, at any particular time, there is about two months of inventory on the ground and these vehicles would have been imported 2 to 3 months ago reflecting the exchange rates of that period rather than today's dollar. There are other very legitimate reasons to maintain these differentials. The first and perhaps the most important is that consumers are still willing to pay the going prices. If consumers are willing to pay these prices then why would any OEM lower their prices? If consumers want radically lower prices then they should sit on their hands and not buy. But that would be very negative for the entire economy and especially the million Canadians who make their living build vehicles or parts, retailing vehicles or repairing vehicles. Canadians not buying would mean high unemployment and most will not trade their job for a few thousand dollar savings on their vehicle. (Remember one in seven jobs in Canada are tied directly or indirectly to the auto sector so a serious downturn in the auto industry would hurt millions of Canadians). And OEMs also have to set prices across their entire cost structure not just exchange rates. For instance, the influx of used vehicles is pushing down residual values in Canada and some OEMs are under water on their residual value risk. So some have to use any exchange rate bonus they may have to pay for these lower residuals. You can argue that the current new vehicle buyers should not have to pay for the residual losses of consumers from 4 years ago but someone has the cover these losses. And I've already mentioned that those OEMs in a net export position may not have any exchange rate bonus at all, and there may be even an exchange rate penalty as a result of our strong dollar. So for the most part, these price differentials are justifiable and quite definitively .. Canadian consumers are benefiting from the strong dollar. Maybe not as quickly and as much as some would like but they are benefiting. Price differentials for the most part are legitimate.

Fifth, there is an emerging view that somehow the Government should intervene and force the OEM's to equate prices between the two countries. Trust me you don't want the Government to be involved. We have done nine of these cross border pricing analysis and most forget that just three years ago (and for most of the last decade) the average Canadian was paying $4,000 to $8,000 less than their American counterparts (exchange rate adjusted) for their vehicles. If our Governments were to force this issue instead of letting the market take care of it then there would be a two edge sword. Yes some Canadians would benefit today from price equality but, if and dare I say, when our dollar weakens then Canadians would be paying a lot more than they otherwise would have if the market was just allowed to work freely.

Sixth, almost all of the outrageous examples of large price differentials are in the very high end vehicle segments. The pure luxury market in Canada represented 8 percent of sales last year, that's all. So I have very little sympathy for any Canadian who choose to buy one of these vehicles. They obviously could afford it and if they are upset over what they paid in Canada vs there counterparts in the US then they should have stayed out of the market. Consumers are much more powerful than any vehicle company or any executive in any vehicle company. If they don't like pricing they can just choose not to buy and then watch prices change. The fact of the matter is that the markets are working and working quite well, thank you very much. Prices are reflecting what the market will bear as we would expect in any market where about 50 brands compete with about 500 different products and about 3,500 new car dealer retail points and about 10,000 used car dealer retail points. There is no monopoly pricing in Canada or oligopoly pricing in Canada. Pricing may not be perfect but it is working.

Now if you want to waste a tank of high priced gasoline, hop into your car and drive to Buffalo or Seattle or wherever the closest border point is and try to buy a vehicle in the US. Ninety nine percent of consumers will fail and find it to be a waste of time and money.

My rant for today.

Dennis



DesRosiers Automotive Consultants Inc
Dennis DesRosiers
President
dennis@desrosiers.ca
80 Fulton Way Suite 101
Richmond Hill, Ontario
L4B 1J5
tel: 1-905-881-0400 - 13
fax: 1-905-881-7456
mobile: 1-416-543-8611
www.desrosiers.ca

[jshebib]

Thanks for posting. Very interesting but looks like total bs. He provides absolutely no data to back up his claims, he just sites studies he has done. He also claims it is just at the high end that savings can be made, and that it depends on the models and options. Well duhh. Whether I save $1000 on a $15000 vehicle or $10000 on a $50000 vehicle, I am saving. Of course it does matter which model i choose, but if I decide there is a similar model with similar options in the US that I want to buy, and I save a $1000, then I am buying that US model.

I found his letter well written but self serving and not convincing. If lots of people are buying new cars and 99% of Canadians are paying more for their new car then they should, it doesn't mean that they are right. Maybe they aren't getting ripped off, but they could be getting a better deal in the US.

[Rehan]

Now if you want to waste a tank of high priced gasoline, hop into your car and drive to Buffalo or Seattle or wherever the closest border point is and try to buy a vehicle in the US. Ninety nine percent of consumers will fail and find it to be a waste of time and money. That's because 99% of consumers are uneducated and uninformed/misinformed. Empower them with the right knowledge, and they can move mountains. That's why many Canadian dealers are doing what they can to restrict consumers' benefits.

[Chopstick]

Don't sweat it. US dealers along the border states will not sell new to you. You gotta go further south to find one willing to sell, if you want the idea of paying state tax too. So you will be taxed twice: in the US and in Canada when you bring it over.

What's the deal with the US tax? Are there certain states that do not charge tax if you are exporting the car out? Or do you have to pay the US tax and then claim it back at the border?

[Indijones]

Don't sweat it. US dealers along the border states will not sell new to you. You gotta go further south to find one willing to sell, if you want the idea of paying state tax too. So you will be taxed twice: in the US and in Canada when you bring it over.

Everyone is saying one thing and you're saying the other!!!!!! As far as I've read in this forum, non-US residents don't need to pay state taxes. Corolla LE MSRP (US) is 16,415 and MSRP (Can) is 21,900. I'm willing to go to Detroit if I find a dealer there :)

[flaming homer]

Everyone is saying one thing and you're saying the other!!!!!! As far as I've read in this forum, non-US residents don't need to pay state taxes. Corolla LE MSRP (US) is 16,415 and MSRP (Can) is 21,900. I'm willing to go to Detroit if I find a dealer there :)And I recall Michigan (Detroit) will charge anyone Michigan State Tax, ditto for Florida, I believe. Toyota or Lexus ? Find those states that doesn't snow very often...

[thien]

Besides the savings on Subarus that we have all heard about. Which vehicles have people seen the biggest price discrepancies?

[michelb]

And I recall Michigan (Detroit) will charge anyone Michigan State Tax, ditto for Florida, I believe. Toyota or Lexus ? Find those states that doesn't snow very often...

Taxes vary state by state. Some you don't have a pay, others you do. If that wasn't already complicated enough, some dealers (e.g. some Toyota) will use the dealership address as your to get around 'no sales for export' so you are in effect titling the vehicle in that state first so need to pay the Taxes.

As far as Michigan, flaming_homer is correct and Canadians do pay taxes (http://www.msdra.com/out_of_state_buyersales_tax.htm):

8-5.4 When Going to Canada or Another Country. If the purchaser is taking the vehicle to Canada or another country (including U.S. territories), collect six percent Michigan sales tax. A 14-day in-transit permit should be obtained, if necessary.

Basically, there's no 'magic answer', whether you pay or not depends on the situation.

[johnsa]

...These wholesales do not offer their services for free.

Vehicles Imported into Canada
2007YTD 64,096
2006YTD 49,709
2006 112,826
2005 72,639
2004 60,389
2003 48,753
2002 38,923
2001 31,303
2000 28,019

Third, if Canadians were being taken advantage of in the market then why would they be buying so many new vehicles? Again we are on a pace to set an all time record in new vehicle sales. If pricing was out of line then this could not have happened. The prices paid by Canadians are the prices that the market will bear. If they were too high then Canadians would be rejecting them and the market would be down quite a bit instead of up quite a bit. If any Canadian is that upset about our prices versus the US then they should just not pay them, pure and simple.

Fourth, are the price differentials that exist legitimate? This is a tougher question because it is very OEM specific if not model by model specific. To be sure the OEMs are struggling to keep up with the pace of the dollar in that it is a moving target and it is moving very rapidly. Just look at this year. In January the dollar was about 87-88 cents, by March it had fallen to about 83-84 cent, today it is near par. What exchange rates do Canadians want OEMs to use? The average this year, the spot rate or some longer term tracking? With an average transaction price about $30K, if OEMs had used the spot rate then prices would have been up and or down by about $5K per vehicle month to month this year. This kind of pricing volatility would not be tolerated by the market or even be wise to do since it would force most consumers to the sidelines guessing on what exchange rates would be day to day. A real stupid move. The OEMs also use fairly sophisticated hedging strategies so they may be still operating in the mid 80 cent range rather than the par dollar we see today. And indeed, at any particular time, there is about two months of inventory on the ground and these vehicles would have been imported 2 to 3 months ago reflecting the exchange rates of that period rather than today's dollar. There are other very legitimate reasons to maintain these differentials. The first and perhaps the most important is that consumers are still willing to pay the going prices. If consumers are willing to pay these prices then why would any OEM lower their prices? If consumers want radically lower prices then they should sit on their hands and not buy. But that would be very negative for the entire economy and especially the million Canadians who make their living build vehicles or parts, retailing vehicles or repairing vehicles. Canadians not buying would mean high unemployment and most will not trade their job for a few thousand dollar savings on their vehicle. (Remember one in seven jobs in Canada are tied directly or indirectly to the auto sector so a serious downturn in the auto industry would hurt millions of Canadians). And OEMs also have to set prices across their entire cost structure not just exchange rates. For instance, the influx of used vehicles is pushing down residual values in Canada and some OEMs are under water on their residual value risk. So some have to use any exchange rate bonus they may have to pay for these lower residuals. You can argue that the current new vehicle buyers should not have to pay for the residual losses of consumers from 4 years ago but someone has the cover these losses. And I've already mentioned that those OEMs in a net export position may not have any exchange rate bonus at all, and there may be even an exchange rate penalty as a result of our strong dollar. So for the most part, these price differentials are justifiable and quite definitively .. Canadian consumers are benefiting from the strong dollar. Maybe not as quickly and as much as some would like but they are benefiting. Price differentials for the most part are legitimate.

Fifth, there is an emerging view that somehow the Government should intervene and force the OEM's to equate prices between the two countries. Trust me you don't want the Government to be involved. We have done nine of these cross border pricing analysis and most forget that just three years ago (and for most of the last decade) the average Canadian was paying $4,000 to $8,000 less than their American counterparts (exchange rate adjusted) for their vehicles. If our Governments were to force this issue instead of letting the market take care of it then there would be a two edge sword. Yes some Canadians would benefit today from price equality but, if and dare I say, when our dollar weakens then Canadians would be paying a lot more than they otherwise would have if the market was just allowed to work freely.

Sixth, almost all of the outrageous examples of large price differentials are in the very high end vehicle segments. The pure luxury market in Canada represented 8 percent of sales last year, that's all. So I have very little sympathy for any Canadian who choose to buy one of these vehicles. They obviously could afford it and if they are upset over what they paid in Canada vs there counterparts in the US then they should have stayed out of the market. Consumers are much more powerful than any vehicle company or any executive in any vehicle company. If they don't like pricing they can just choose not to buy and then watch prices change. The fact of the matter is that the markets are working and working quite well, thank you very much. Prices are reflecting what the market will bear as we would expect in any market where about 50 brands compete with about 500 different products and about 3,500 new car dealer retail points and about 10,000 used car dealer retail points. There is no monopoly pricing in Canada or oligopoly pricing in Canada. Pricing may not be perfect but it is working.

Now if you want to waste a tank of high priced gasoline, hop into your car and drive to Buffalo or Seattle or wherever the closest border point is and try to buy a vehicle in the US. Ninety nine percent of consumers will fail and find it to be a waste of time and money.

My rant for today.

Dennis



DesRosiers Automotive Consultants Inc
Dennis DesRosiers
President
dennis@desrosiers.ca
80 Fulton Way Suite 101
Richmond Hill, Ontario
L4B 1J5
tel: 1-905-881-0400 - 13
fax: 1-905-881-7456
mobile: 1-416-543-8611
www.desrosiers.ca


My E-mail response to this goof and his B.S arguments:

Your origional article and follow up comments of 09/20 are so full of B.S.

If you think that significant savings can only be had on 8% of sales, or"luxury" models, think again....I few minutes on the internet and a visit to your local Honda, Toyota and Nissan dealers will confirm what I tell people everyday:

"If you shop around, you can pretty much purchase a Honda Accord in the USA for the price we pay for a Civic; or you can get a 4cyl Camry for the price of a Corolla in Canada; same goes for a Sentra vs Altima."

This pretty much sums up the fleecing we are getting in Canada by the manufacturers. It also completely negates any comments you made about significant savings being available on luxury or high end models.

Give me a break...

[diigii]

So is Mr DesRosiers saying that the Altima SE is a luxury car because only luxury cars provide the high price differential? Before I went there, I did my research for two months. I compared the US-spec vs the Canadian-spec cars in base SE package and found them to have the same equipment. The difference? a full-size spare on the Canadian-spec model, and daytime running lights. Are those worth $10K difference??? PLEASE!

And if he thinks I wasted high-price gasoline to get the car, I paid a total of US$100 that gives me gallons, not liters. I even get to spend quality time with relatives I haven't seen in 12 years.

It's laughable and made himself an idiot for implying that Canadians make same-day trips to Buffalo or Seattle expecting to come home with a brand new car!

[Kwik-E-Mart]

You don't need to read endearing response above to know what kind of person DesRosiers is if you can spend five minutes just to take a look at his website.

After taking a look at the DesRosiers Consultant Group's site, it is not surprising to see why he is in the minority in the car debate.

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By looking at what he does and how close he is to the automotive industry, it is no rocket science on why he defended the price differences between here and the US.

[Agedashi]

Dear Dennis,

I saved $14,000 in the US on the exact model and trim package that I had looked at in Canada. This figure is after all expenses were accounted for... exchange, taxes, the trip down (expensive tanks of gas) etc. and that was with a 93 cent dollar. The fellow next to me in the customs line saved about the same and his car, while purchased in Oregon, was manufactured in Ontario. So much for labour costs and exchange arguments.

How I spend/save my after tax dollars is the bottom line. I'm sure many unsavy consumers will continue to purchase their cars in Canada but hopefully threads like this will inform those consumers on how to save there hard earned dollars.

Have a nice day.

[dasteve]

Could someone please provide me with the details of some Toyota dealers near GTA across the border that I could contact to buy a new Corolla/Camry.

PM me too on this! I'm looking for Camry...

Thanks,
Steve

[hksun]

how much did u pay? any duty?

It isn't brand new. The US dealer can't sell Canadian any new BMWs.
I found the near mint certified X5 4.8. It has 6k miles on speedo. and has all packages except Techno packages. A similar new car in Canada is selling $82500 plus GST, PST and Extra TAX on V8. It will bring the total close to
100K. Mine is listing at US $64500. and I got it at US$60500. You don't need to pay any duty since it is made in US. no PST since it is pre-owned. and no$3000 V8 Tax since the car is put in use before March,07. Only GST being charged about CAD $3800. I really don't know how much I saved, but i know you can't never get such a bargain here in Canada. BMWs in Canada is so overpriced. I also saw lot of 06 BMW 325i in the dealership while I am waiting for the paperworks done. They are around $32000 with most 11k mile on speedo. Good luck on finding yours. you can go to BMWUSA.com to search preowned cars closer to where you live. Good Luck finding yours.

[michelb]

It isn't brand new. The US dealer can't sell Canadian any new BMWs
...
no PST since it is pre-owned. and no$3000 V8 Tax since the car is put in use before March,07.
...

As with Toyota, some US BMW dealers will sell you new - just depends on who you ask.

Don't know about BC but in Ontario, you will pay PST on a used-car (private sales in Ontario don't pay GST (always pay PST) but imported private sale pays both (just like new car or used car bought from dealership)).

Good point about the 'green levy'; any car 'put in service' before March 07 is not subject to the levy so used is good for that.

[Rehan]

no PST since it is pre-owned. PST isn't paid at the border regardless of whether the vehicle is new or used. But I think you'll have to pay the PST when you register it in your province...?

[5136440]

the fast growing elite group! Today, I received the sticker from RIV and officially completed all requirement to import my Subaru. A week ago, picked up the car from, well who else, the greatest Karl from the greatest Van Bortel. The whole process was painless, actually a pleasant experience with Karl and everybody in the dealership. People are friendly, car is great, no haggling pricing. What else can you expect buying a car?

Hats off to OP Monsieur for starting all of these, especially taking the time to answer my questions privately and publicly. Have to thank everybody here for valuable input, OMG, what a bunch of great people here!

A few of my experience to share:

Go to RIV office in person (405 West Mall) if you close to GTA area and you would get your Form 2 in 10 minutes.

Recommend CT store at Dundas W and Kipling (5363 DUNDAS ST. WEST) for federal inspections. Call 416-239-2388 to verify the only guy who is doing the inspection is available. No appointment needed.

Recommend to go to MTO office in Cloverdale Mall (inside the mall). Reasons for recommendations: all are located close to each other and because of the location, people are familiar with process, no s* questions asked and no time wasted.

Now I did it, you all can do it. Good luck.

[teep]

This Desrosier guy writes, " almost all of the outrageous examples of large price differentials are in the very high end vehicle segments. The pure luxury market in Canada represented 8 percent of sales last year, that's all. So I have very little sympathy for any Canadian who choose to buy one of these vehicles. They obviously could afford it and if they are upset over what they paid in Canada vs there counterparts in the US then they should have stayed out of the market."

This is condescending, arrogant, and misleading clap trap.

Some may choose to buy high-end vehicles with hard earned money even though not being super rich. Thats a free market right and why should the luxury car buyer be treated any differently to anyone else. Would you apply that attitude to high-end cameras? Houses? Dogs? Its the same thinking as underlay the BC "luxury car" tax that we suffered from in BC a year or two back ("luxury" started at 30k!). Underlying this is a profoundly malformed view of the human situation, driven by pure malicious envy, that would lead us in its extreme form to the soviet and the gulag (read 'Dr Zhivago'). Pandering to envy creates a malevolent and powerful populist message that we humans easily respond to. Hitler, too, knew all about it.

But I dont think this Desrosier is that politically astute: if you look at his company web site you will see that its transparent that he represents the Canadian vehicle lobby that we all know, from hard evidence, is hosing us. This post is part of a lobby activity for which is being paid. He will also be paid to deny it. (Gosh - I am envious of that - it should be stopped!)

[Monsieurmaggot]

Just as a reminder... Although you may be saving $10k-ish on the purchase of the new vehicle, some of those savings will be wiped out when it comes time to sell the car -- US model cars typically sell for less in Canada than their Canadian counterparts. I was browsing Toyota Siennas on trader.ca, and there's a 2006 Sienna LE listed for several thousand less than other '06 Sienna LE's and even less than some CE's.

(There's a thread here (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=488457) about the reasons why US cars sell for less...)

But if you're saving over $20,000 on a Subaru, I really don't care about a couple of thousand dollar depreciation.

There were a few American 2006s selling in the Canadian Auto Trader for $40,000 Canadian. I could easily sell mine for $35,000 and STILL MAKE A PROFIT.

[Rehan]

But if you're saving over $20,000 on a Subaru, I really don't care about a couple of thousand dollar depreciation.

There were a few American 2006s selling in the Canadian Auto Trader for $40,000 Canadian. I could easily sell mine for $35,000 and STILL MAKE A PROFIT. Yup, of course. They key word in my post was some. :)

[scouzi]

This Desrosier guy writes, " almost all of the outrageous examples of large price differentials are in the very high end vehicle segments. The pure luxury market in Canada represented 8 percent of sales last year, that's all. So I have very little sympathy for any Canadian who choose to buy one of these vehicles. They obviously could afford it and if they are upset over what they paid in Canada vs there counterparts in the US then they should have stayed out of the market."

This is condescending, arrogant, and misleading clap trap.

Some may choose to buy high-end vehicles with hard earned money even though not being super rich. Thats a free market right and why should the luxury car buyer be treated any differently to anyone else. Would you apply that attitude to high-end cameras? Houses? Dogs? Its the same thinking as underlay the BC "luxury car" tax that we suffered from in BC a year or two back ("luxury" started at 30k!). Underlying this is a profoundly malformed view of the human situation, driven by pure malicious envy, that would lead us in its extreme form to the soviet and the gulag (read 'Dr Zhivago'). Pandering to envy creates a malevolent and powerful populist message that we humans easily respond to. Hitler, too, knew all about it.

But I dont think this Desrosier is that politically astute: if you look at his company web site you will see that its transparent that he represents the Canadian vehicle lobby that we all know, from hard evidence, is hosing us. This post is part of a lobby activity for which is being paid. He will also be paid to deny it. (Gosh - I am envious of that - it should be stopped!)

Mr. Desrosiers does not seem to understand that some cars in Canada are considered in the "Luxury" segment just because of the price. Drop them by $15k and they are no longer luxury cars!

It seems that in the States "Luxury" is up another notch above Canada for most things.

[Monsieurmaggot]

That DesRosier guy is a knucklehead who's obviously cow-towing to the Canadian automotive sector.

He really must think most Canadian consumers are idiots.

Mr. DesRosier twists the truth to make his point.

Sure Canadian dealers can negotiate special trim levels on vehicles. Almost anyone who buys in bulk can do that. The Subaru Special Edition is different than the Canadian version. In the case of the Huyndai Santa Fe, the Canadian top-of-the-line is called the GLS whereas in the US the GLS is the base model. They call the GLS the Limited in the US.

He claims many use US pricing against the Canadian dealer. I did. But I did end up buying in the US. Don't know what kind of proof he would need.

I can't speak for others but I can say this about the Subaru (or any model for that matter):

When you can buy a car in the US WITH EVERY OPTION imaginable for less than the Canadian base model something is wrong. I got a LOADED TOP-OF-THE-LINE 3.0R LLBean Outback for $29,150US That included over $3200 Canadian in accessories. The US version HAS options that aren't even available in Canada, perforated two-toned leather seats, tire pressure monitoring system are just two things that come to mind.

How could Subaru US charge me $23 for wheel locks when they're almost $100 in Canada. Maybe I'm comparing the 4 cylinder version right? Give me a break.

I could go on and on.

I'll be sending Mr. DesRosier a personal email. I suggest you all to the same.

Who is he consulting anyway? With all his misinformation, I surely wouldn't be paying for his services.

I doubt he's ever bought a car in his career. I bet a quick check on the VIN will indicate it's a manufacturer's vehicle.

DesRosiers Automotive Consultants Inc
Dennis DesRosiers
President and Director of misinformation (I added this new title)
Honorary puppet to the Canadian Automotive sector (I liked that title too)
dennis@desrosiers.ca
80 Fulton Way Suite 101
Richmond Hill, Ontario
L4B 1J5
tel: 1-905-881-0400 - 13
fax: 1-905-881-7456
mobile: 1-416-543-8611
www.desrosiers.ca

[jadeboy]

I'll be sending Mr. DesRosier a personal email. I suggest you all to the same.

We need to do a pool email to Mr DesRosier instead of everyone sending the same thing. The author of the email should be RedFlagDeal users on this thread.

Here are some of the thing in the email.

1. If there is minor price differences why are Canadian Dealership have put up barriers for Canadians to buy in USA (complaining to head quarter and tell us dealership not to sell).

2. Asking him to provide RAW data of his work

[tiburonguy]

Excellent time to buy a car from the US with the exchange rate...save even more money. Now I just have to figer out how to do it lol

[Monsieurmaggot]

He's clearly justifying to his "puppet masters" that RFDers don't really exist.

According to my data (hey it's every bit as valuable as his), someone reported that a single US dealer is selling 23 NEW vehicles to Canadians per month.

The Lewiston NY/ONT border folks told me they process hundreds of new cars per week. I don't dispute that used cars are coming across, but according to Mr. DesRosiers' information, there are only about 25,000 new vehicles coming over every year. According to my highly scientific ;) research, that would mean they're only coming across at the Lewiston Bridge.

I should state that perhaps what he actually means is that only 25,000 new cars cross over this particular border (since he clearly only speaks for the GTA region).

A GTA area BMW dealer (through his import company) recently took delivery of a truckload of new US Beemers. The count was 10.

Someone else just posted that many US Siennas have appeared at a Ottawa-area dealership.

Hmmm.

I'd be curious to see the Canada Customs numbers at the end of the year.

Sure 150,000 units doesn't sound like much but what makes me smile is that we did our part. On a $20,000 average price, that works out to be about $3,000,000,000 in sales going to the US. Even with a 1% profit margin, we collectively gave US dealers $30,000,000! (please correct me if I'm wrong)

[DSTU]

Ah no wonder... I was going like "since when did Kanata Ford become Kanata Toyota.." when I passed by the other day, and indeed, those Siennas are all listed with miles on instead of km!!

Checks http://www.kanataford.com/flash.html

They are all 2007's with miles listed on the website.

[elmst200]

http://www.wheels.ca/article/31673

Shopping for cars in the U.S.

Canadians look at sharply lower auto prices in States and feel it's very unfair they're paying thousands more while the buck hovers near par; Wheels talks to buyers, dealers and car makers
Mark Toljagic

Special to the Star

Sep 21, 2007

Like Seinfeld's non-fat yogurt, the pitch seems too good to be true.

A brand-new Ford Focus with air conditioning for just $9,999, a factory-fresh VW Rabbit for $12,999 and a 2007 Chevy Trailblazer 4x4 for $21,999 are three pinch-me-I'm-dreaming bargains advertised recently in The Boston Globe.

Prices like these take the breath away of vacationing Canadians who open a local newspaper in the U.S.

The lease deals seem even more unbelievable: Boston's Kelly Nissan offers a new Altima for $139 per month (with $2,723 due at signing) and a Pathfinder 4x4 for $239 monthly.

While priced in American dollars, the gap between the two currencies is closing, making the U.S. stickers especially appealing.

Yet it begs the question: with the loonie's rise against the U.S. currency, why aren't Canadians seeing lower automobile prices here?

Reader Tom Becker asked the same question of Porsche North America, the importer of his 2001 911 C4. He's contemplating purchasing a new 911, but noticed the wide chasm between American and Canadian prices on the auto maker's website.

"Why do I and every other Canadian get unfair pricing?" Becker wrote in an e-mail. "You list a GT3 at $147,300 Canadian and $106,000 American. After conversion, I would have to pay more than $24,000."

When he posed his question last December, one American dollar cost $1.16. Plug in a more recent exchange rate ($1.06) and the gap between the two prices has widened to more than $33,000 (Canadian) (the GT3 is now listed at $107,500 in the U.S.).

Porsche wrote back, explaining that its German-built cars are valued in Euros, not American greenbacks, so the Canada-U.S. exchange rate was moot.

But when Becker crunched the Euro's exchange rates, he discovered that Canadians were still paying well over $20,000 more than Americans for the same model.

"Wow, that would buy many sets of tires, gas and insurance!" he wrote to us.

Despite growing awareness of the loonie's favourable exchange rate, auto manufacturers seemingly have done nothing to address the situation. If anything, they've let the price disparity grow unchecked.

"The gap has become embarrassingly large," confirms George Iny, president of the Automobile Protection Association (APA). "The potential is there to erode the Canadian dealers' business," he says, as more consumers go new-car shopping south of the border.

Iny knows of one Montreal-area Porsche dealer that has seen one-quarter of its sales volume migrate to the U.S.
“The phenomenon is most pronounced in the super high-end market where the savings are substantial,” he says.

Like other car-buying services, the APA has begun purchasing vehicles in the U.S. for its members, but it’s strictly a cash-only proposition, which precludes two-thirds of the buying public, says Iny.

Broker Mark Derry says his clients increasingly have been asking about importing new cars from the U.S., but he has declined to do so.

“It is a very detailed transaction that must be done perfectly or you will have difficulties at the border, such as faxing the title to the border you are crossing 48 or 72 hours beforehand,” he says. “I am busy enough with regular business that is very straightforward.”

WHILE IMPORTING VEHICLES from the U.S. is not as complicated as it used to be — thanks to the North American Free Trade Agreement — it is time-consuming and intimidating for the novice.

But where there’s a problem, an entrepreneur can often spot an opportunity.

Originally a decades-old Pontiac dealership in Hamburg, N.Y., Superior Auto Sales opened a satellite showroom in Oakville two years ago under the name Fournier Auto Sales, where it could display new and used American-sourced vehicles and explain how Canadians could tap into the savings without leaving the GTA.

“We offer a 10 per cent savings by the time all is said and done,” explains sales agent Jim Reddy. “The more expensive the vehicle, the more significant the savings.”

The Fournier showroom offers a mix of pristine used vehicles and brand-new models, including a Porsche GT3, Mustang Shelby GT500 and Dodge Charger Super Bee.

Fournier promises a dealership experience virtually identical to that of a new-car dealer, a convenience factor that has considerable appeal given the do-it-yourself alternative.

“IMPORT THE CAR yourself and you have to present the title to U.S. Customs, which could take 72 hours,” cautions Reddy. “The consumer basically has to book a week’s vacation to shop in the U.S.”

That’s if the buyer can find an American dealer willing to deal at all.

“U.S. dealerships have clamped down and will not sell new cars to Canadians anymore,” warns Fournier general manager Bob Barker. “Used cars are a different kettle of fish, however.”

The company has amassed plenty of experience, having exported some 30,000 vehicles from Canada to the U.S. back when American dealers took advantage of the 65-cent dollar. Now Fournier hopes to reverse the flow by making it easy to shop American.

In a study conducted last year, DesRosiers Automotive Consultants determined that the typical new vehicle was $5,842 more expensive in Canada than in the U.S., a 17 per cent price premium (after the exchange rate was factored in).

Dennis DesRosiers believes auto makers are addressing the yawning price gap by offering Canadians better incentives.

“They are taking some of their exchange rate bonus and putting it out into the market in the form of aggressive incentives,” he says.

“Not much movement on MSRPs yet, but we expect these to come gradually with the new models being priced aggressively this fall.”

Stew Low, communications director at General Motors of Canada, maintains that Canadians are getting better deals on the showroom floor, regardless of the disparity in manufacturers’ suggested retail prices.

“ANY PUBLIC COMPARISONS of pricing I have seen does not take the discussion to the actual transaction level, which is important because of the high percentage of Canadians that finance/lease and the level of finance/lease incentives in the Canadian market,” he wrote in an email.

But when pressed to provide an example of a superior Canadian deal, Low could not supply one.

Spotted in the Boston Globe was an advertised GMAC lease on a 2007 Chevrolet Silverado 2500 4x4 for $249 per month, while a GMAC SmartLease on a similar Chevy pickup truck in Ontario costs about $400 per month (with $2,000 down in both cases).

It would take a Cray supercomputer to uncover all of the differences between Canadian and American sales incentives, but suffice it to say American consumers are no strangers to deep discounts.

To suggest Canadians are getting better deals is open to debate. Just try negotiating a $79 per month lease on a new Nissan Sentra with $1,995 down (as offered by Colonial Nissan of Medford, Mass.).

Robert Dexter, a spokesperson for BMW Canada, was more forthcoming with some answers as to why Canadians are paying more.

He says adjusting prices to reflect currency fluctuations can introduce “instability” in the marketplace, impacting the residual values of leased vehicles and ticking off owners who purchased earlier at higher prices.

Then there’s the negative perception of falling prices, Dexter says, which can hurt an upscale image.

“There’s a reluctance to discount, which can affect the `premium’ brand,” he says.

Rather than tinker with sticker prices, BMW and other manufacturers prefer to give Canadians more product features for the same price.

“We’ve made efforts to address the currency (valuation) by adding content to our products,” Dexter says. “Base models are better equipped in Canada than in the U.S.”

He explains the reason Canadians will never see identical prices on both sides of the border is because the cost of doing business in the Great White North is higher.

“The U.S. has economies of scale with 10 times the population. Marketing costs are higher here by doing everything in two languages. There is only one port of entry in Canada (for BMW), while there are three or four in the U.S. Taxes are higher here.”

Meanwhile, the volume of U.S. vehicles being imported into Canada continues to grow. Last year’s sum was 112,826 units while this year’s total to June was 64,096 — 29 per cent ahead of last year’s cumulative total to June.

The types of vehicles crossing the border have changed, too.

FIVE YEARS AGO, the list reflected Canada’s top sellers, such as the Honda Civic and Toyota Corolla, while the popular 2006 and 2007 models now entering the country are Chevrolet Trailblazers, Cadillac Escalades and Hummers, according to information compiled by the Registrar of Imported Vehicles (www.riv.ca), which is authorized by federal authorities to provide information to importers and make sure regulations are followed.

While most imported vehicles are pre-owned, it is new and nearly new products that are experiencing greater importation volumes now.

“Basically everything that enters the RIV is considered used despite the fact you may have purchased it off the lot minutes prior to importing (it) into Canada,” says deputy registrar Gary Moriarty.

“It does give an idea of the increasing trend towards current-year models going through the program,” he says of the latest data.

The trend suggests dealers, brokers and fleet buyers are getting involved in importation in a big way, likely to circumvent the manufacturers’ Canadian pricing.

Beyond the obvious higher prices Canadian consumers pay, it is new-car dealers here who bear the brunt of the fallout.

[elmst200]

Mike Karim, president of the Toronto Automobile Dealers Association, is hopeful a meeting between his association and car makers can take place to discuss the issue of price differentials.

“We would like the manufacturers to do away with the cost disparity between the two countries, especially as the dollar approaches parity,” he says, adding that “we have to tread carefully.”

Fat chance, says the APA’s George Iny. The automobile manufacturers ultimately don’t care, he maintains, since a car sold is a unit moved — regardless of which side of the border the transaction takes place.

“The manufacturers view it as one market, a continental economy,” says Iny. “Only the dealers lose.”

Iny believes the dealers’ protests will fall on deaf ears. The only hope, he suggests, is to bend the rules so that they can import cars, too.

“Create a partnership with U.S. dealers to control the importation and service of the vehicles,” Iny advises.

For the most part, new-car warranties that are often cited by many as the biggest impediment to importation already transcend the U.S.-Canada border.

Among major manufacturers, only Chrysler and Honda/Acura do not honour their warranties on vehicles imported from the U.S.

In the case of GM, the car has to be six months old before warranty repairs are honoured.

“We find when we properly explain the warranty situation to the consumer, they can make an informed decision,” says Fournier Auto Sales’ Bob Barker.

As a consequence, Fournier sells a lot more Lexus RX 350 crossovers than it does Acura MDXs, thanks to the full factory warranty provided by Toyota.

Some customers, however, wouldn’t think twice about driving their Honda or Acura down the QEW to Buffalo for warranty work, Barker says.

FOURNIER EVEN SELLS a Lubrico warranty that mirrors factory coverage on Chryslers and Jeeps, for example, whose exported products are not supported by the manufacturer.

Chris Travell, vice-president of the Automotive Research Group of Maritz Research, believes the manufacturers view U.S.-Canadian pricing as a nuisance issue, despite the growing trend of private importation.

He draws a comparison with Internet-based auto sales, which five years ago were predicted to make bricks-and-mortar dealerships obsolete. Needless to say, that hasn’t happened.

“Maybe five per cent of vehicles will be sold by enterprising dealers as U.S. imports,” he says. “That five per cent factor will always be there.”

Toronto Star

[tiburonguy]

Has anyone bought a Lexus IS250 from buffalo and exported it to Toronto?

If so how much was it and any other details you can give such as where you got it from.

[DSTU]

DimWit DesRosiers contradicts himself...lol

From the above article.

In a study conducted last year, DesRosiers Automotive Consultants determined that the typical new vehicle was $5,842 more expensive in Canada than in the U.S., a 17 per cent price premium (after the exchange rate was factored in).

Dennis DesRosiers believes auto makers are addressing the yawning price gap by offering Canadians better incentives.

“They are taking some of their exchange rate bonus and putting it out into the market in the form of aggressive incentives,” he says.

“Not much movement on MSRPs yet, but we expect these to come gradually with the new models being priced aggressively this fall.”

[elmst200]

he should make public his research report (raw data) in order to be more convincing.

DimWit DesRosiers contradicts himself...lol

From the above article.

In a study conducted last year, DesRosiers Automotive Consultants determined that the typical new vehicle was $5,842 more expensive in Canada than in the U.S., a 17 per cent price premium (after the exchange rate was factored in).

Dennis DesRosiers believes auto makers are addressing the yawning price gap by offering Canadians better incentives.

“They are taking some of their exchange rate bonus and putting it out into the market in the form of aggressive incentives,” he says.

“Not much movement on MSRPs yet, but we expect these to come gradually with the new models being priced aggressively this fall.”

[hksun]

PST isn't paid at the border regardless of whether the vehicle is new or used. But I think you'll have to pay the PST when you register it in your province...?

Oops, overlook the PST part, I guess I will find out when I am buying my insurance. But it is still a sweet deal.

http://i21.ebayimg.com/06/i/000/b7/e9/a0ee_1_sbl.JPG

[scouzi]

We need to do a pool email to Mr DesRosier instead of everyone sending the same thing. The author of the email should be RedFlagDeal users on this thread.

Here are some of the thing in the email.

1. If there is minor price differences why are Canadian Dealership have put up barriers for Canadians to buy in USA (complaining to head quarter and tell us dealership not to sell).

2. Asking him to provide RAW data of his work

Send him a scan of your bill of sale. Darken your personal information.

[DSTU]

What a bunch of liars.

BMW
Rather than tinker with sticker prices, BMW and other manufacturers prefer to give Canadians more product features for the same price.

Metallic Paint US $475 Canada $800 - how is that a bargain.


GM
But when pressed to provide an example of a superior Canadian deal, Low could not supply one.

Even if I just save a few thousand I'm buying in the US - Screw these crooks and liars.

[vim]

Interesting.....


From Comments from Dennis Desrosiers :
. Last year volumes exceeded 100K for the first time and are on track for about 150K for full year 2007. But most of these vehicles are used and not new. Maybe 20 to 25K are new.


From Toronto Star 21/07/2007 article:
“Basically everything that enters the RIV is considered used despite the fact you may have purchased it off the lot minutes prior to importing (it) into Canada,” says deputy registrar Gary Moriarty.

[Fx45]

Dear Dennis,

I saved $14,000 in the US on the exact model and trim package that I had looked at in Canada. This figure is after all expenses were accounted for... exchange, taxes, the trip down (expensive tanks of gas) etc. and that was with a 93 cent dollar. The fellow next to me in the customs line saved about the same and his car, while purchased in Oregon, was manufactured in Ontario. So much for labour costs and exchange arguments.

How I spend/save my after tax dollars is the bottom line. I'm sure many unsavy consumers will continue to purchase their cars in Canada but hopefully threads like this will inform those consumers on how to save there hard earned dollars.

Have a nice day.

Fellow RFDers,

Why are we wasting our time responding to this guy? He's obviously biased and uninformed, and what he writes doesn't change a things for anyone. So rather reply to him or put together a formal response, we can do the better thing and buy more cars in the US and let the market do the talking.

Now, onto business. To consolidate all of the useful on this thread, i am thinking of putting together a wiki where we can update price comparisons for different cars, procedures, and dealerships that are willing work with with Canadians.

Would anyone be up for something like this? or continuing to use this thread is good enough?

[diigii]

http://www.wheels.ca/article/31673

Shopping for cars in the U.S.

Canadians look at sharply lower auto prices in States and feel it's very unfair they're paying thousands more while the buck hovers near par; Wheels talks to buyers, dealers and car makers
Mark Toljagic


In a study conducted last year, DesRosiers Automotive Consultants determined that the typical new vehicle was $5,842 more expensive in Canada than in the U.S., a 17 per cent price premium (after the exchange rate was factored in).

Dennis DesRosiers believes auto makers are addressing the yawning price gap by offering Canadians better incentives.

“They are taking some of their exchange rate bonus and putting it out into the market in the form of aggressive incentives,” he says.

“Not much movement on MSRPs yet, but we expect these to come gradually with the new models being priced aggressively this fall.”

Stew Low, communications director at General Motors of Canada, maintains that Canadians are getting better deals on the showroom floor, regardless of the disparity in manufacturers’ suggested retail prices.

“ANY PUBLIC COMPARISONS of pricing I have seen does not take the discussion to the actual transaction level, which is important because of the high percentage of Canadians that finance/lease and the level of finance/lease incentives in the Canadian market,” he wrote in an email.

But when pressed to provide an example of a superior Canadian deal, Low could not supply one.



What a crock of s#%t!!!! Even with the Sport Package Option I bought for my car, it was still $10K cheaper than a comparably equipped Canadian-spec model. The Sport Package option cost US$1,127 for the power moonroof, spoiler and front fog lamps. The Canadian-spec model will cost $1,000 for the sunroof alone. Although it's got front fog lamps as standard, the spoiler is also another option of which pricing is not available on Nissan Canada's website. A generous $500 is my estimation for it. My car came with a moonroof wind deflector too which is NOT even available in Canada.

[Rehan]

So how many vehicles can an individual import in a year before CRA/CSBA/RIV have a problem with it? I think I saw the number 2 earlier in this thread...? Is that every 12 months, or per calendar year?

(Yeah, I'm thinking of doing a little arbitrage...)

[diigii]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070921.wxdollargouge21/BNStory/robNews

Identical cars, clothes, books come cheaper in U.S.
Canadian-dollar prices are on average 24 per cent higher than U.S.-dollar prices on the same items, according to a study
PAUL WALDIE AND GREG KEENAN

From Friday's Globe and Mail

September 21, 2007 at 4:07 AM EDT



Toyota dealers in Canada said the cross-border issue dominated a recent dealer meeting, prompting that company to put a notice on its website outlining why Canadians should buy cars here. Only Toyota vehicles earmarked for Canada are eligible for rebates and other incentives offered by Toyota Canada Inc., the company said. But it also noted that it will honour warranties on new vehicles purchased in the United States.

Finally, one manufacturer admitting that sales have taken a hit in the past few months, if not for the last year.

[michelb]

Fellow RFDers,

...

Now, onto business. To consolidate all of the useful on this thread, i am thinking of putting together a wiki where we can update price comparisons for different cars, procedures, and dealerships that are willing work with with Canadians.

Would anyone be up for something like this? or continuing to use this thread is good enough?

That's a great idea. I'm not up to writing it (I'm way too lazy for that) but I'd certainly chip in where I can.

With the information in this thread, you should have pretty much everything you need - it's just a matter of sifting through all the c**p to get actual facts.

[michelb]

So how many vehicles can an individual import in a year before CRA/CSBA/RIV have a problem with it? I think I saw the number 2 earlier in this thread...? Is that every 12 months, or per calendar year?

(Yeah, I'm thinking of doing a little arbitrage...)

I don't think there's really a fixed number but you'd be curbsiding which is illegal (not really sure why though). Instead of doing it as an individual, just register as a car dealer - I don't think it actually costs that much and there's probably benefits to doing it that way.

[DSTU]

What a crock of s#%t!!!! Even with the Sport Package Option I bought for my car, it was still $10K cheaper than a comparably equipped Canadian-spec model. The Sport Package option cost US$1,127 for the power moonroof, spoiler and front fog lamps. The Canadian-spec model will cost $1,000 for the sunroof alone. Although it's got front fog lamps as standard, the spoiler is also another option of which pricing is not available on Nissan Canada's website. A generous $500 is my estimation for it. My car came with a moonroof wind deflector too which is NOT even available in Canada.

From what I understand Canadian dealers are offering cut rate financing, I haven't checked if that is true or not since you can't really compare against the US where you can't get dealer financing. But if its true its only worth a few thousand at most.

[larva]

I emailed Mazda Canada about warranties and here is the response I got back:

We appreciate your interest in Mazda. We encourage customer correspondence and are pleased to be of assistance when possible.

The basic and powertrain manufacturer warranty are applicable in Canada upon the purchase of a Mazda vehicle from the United States.

However the Mazda extended warranty also known as the Mazda Added Protection (MAP) is not applicable on US Mazda vehicles operated in Canada.

I took a look on Edmunds.com and noticed that Mazda 6's have a $1750 cash rebate right now! Sounded positive until I emailed some Mazda dealerships and got responses like:

thanks for your consideration, however Mazda does not allow US
dealers to export new Mazdas outside the US

Thanks for your interest in the Mazda Product. Unfortunately, we are unable
to export 'new' Mazdas to Canada because of our franchise agreement.


Anyone know of any Mazada or Toyota dealerships in the Washington or Seattle area that will sell to Canadians?

[diigii]

I emailed Mazda Canada about warranties and here is the response I got back:

We appreciate your interest in Mazda. We encourage customer correspondence and are pleased to be of assistance when possible.

The basic and powertrain manufacturer warranty are applicable in Canada upon the purchase of a Mazda vehicle from the United States.

However the Mazda extended warranty also known as the Mazda Added Protection (MAP) is not applicable on US Mazda vehicles operated in Canada.

I took a look on Edmunds.com and noticed that Mazda 6's have a $1750 cash rebate right now! Sounded positive until I emailed some Mazda dealerships and got responses like:

thanks for your consideration, however Mazda does not allow US
dealers to export new Mazdas outside the US

Thanks for your interest in the Mazda Product. Unfortunately, we are unable
to export 'new' Mazdas to Canada because of our franchise agreement.


Anyone know of any Mazada or Toyota dealerships in the Washington or Seattle area that will sell to Canadians?

Don't lose hope. All you gotta do is email a bunch of Mazda dealerships in states you are willing to go. Check out states south of the border states. The further south you go, the more chances you'll get to hear a Mazda dealership willing to sell. Volume dealerships are your best bet.

[diigii]

From what I understand Canadian dealers are offering cut rate financing, I haven't checked if that is true or not since you can't really compare against the US where you can't get dealer financing. But if its true its only worth a few thousand at most.

Really? They might have a catch though. I remember when I bought my old car 7 yrs ago, there was a loan administration fee, in addition to their document processing fee, for getting dealer financing. Another opportunity to get HOSEDagain.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I emailed Mazda Canada about warranties and here is the response I got back:

We appreciate your interest in Mazda. We encourage customer correspondence and are pleased to be of assistance when possible.

The basic and powertrain manufacturer warranty are applicable in Canada upon the purchase of a Mazda vehicle from the United States.

However the Mazda extended warranty also known as the Mazda Added Protection (MAP) is not applicable on US Mazda vehicles operated in Canada.

I took a look on Edmunds.com and noticed that Mazda 6's have a $1750 cash rebate right now! Sounded positive until I emailed some Mazda dealerships and got responses like:

thanks for your consideration, however Mazda does not allow US
dealers to export new Mazdas outside the US

Thanks for your interest in the Mazda Product. Unfortunately, we are unable
to export 'new' Mazdas to Canada because of our franchise agreement.


Anyone know of any Mazada or Toyota dealerships in the Washington or Seattle area that will sell to Canadians?

Too funny. Tell them not to worry about the paperwork, you will be doing the exporting.

The MazdaSpeed 6 is really the only Mazda I would consider. It's still made in Japan. The quality is much higher but so is the price tag. IMHO, since their association with Ford, Mazda's quality line up has suffered. They've taken on the original Big 3 mentality. Mass produce junk and make a killing in the service bays. Can't forget when I looked at a Saturn Vue. The hood on the showroom model was clearly misaligned. The rep. told me they'd fix that before delivery. Speaks volumes when it's in the showroom that way.

If you're looking at the Mazda 6s, consider the Subaru Legacy. It's almost identical, can be imported with no hassle, the warranty is transferable AND the US dealers are happy to sell you one.

On another note, try negotiating anything better than PDI off when you apply for the 0% financing in Canada.

[ChemicalBoy]

Anyone know if I could make a U at Blaine to enter back into States, wanted to spend some time there before heading back to canada but since blaine is only open for certain hours for import.

Thanx

[Kamloops]

Anyone know if I could make a U at Blaine to enter back into States, wanted to spend some time there before heading back to canada but since blaine is only open for certain hours for import.

Thanx

Nope, was hoping to do that my self at the truck crossing. Once I hit US Customs they made me proceed to canada customs

[uncle_odb]

Just a note to report very helpful service from Subaru America.

I had phoned them earlier about the RCL early in the week and they promised to paper mail and email a copy. (It was encouraging that on their computer we were already the registered owners for this VIN). I faxed them the bill of sale as requested. Nothing happened so I phoned again yesterday and was glad I did so as something had gone astray with the fax. I immediately faxed again - this was by then right at the end of their working day - and lo and behold the RCL was in my email first thing this morning.

Great service, thanks Subaru America!

The reason behind my sense of urgency was that the car is being picked up Friday, and some have reported (and its on some web sites) being asked to show the RCL at the border. I phoned RIV yesterday (my, they sounded busy!) and they confirmed that it is NOT required at the Canadian border.

That's strange that some were asked to show the RCL at the border. I also checked when I was bringing up my Tribeca. No RCL was required at the border, it's just needed to get your Form 2 from RIV.

Let us know how it goes today with your brother in law. Today is the big day!

[Shojin]

Am I right in understanding that most (if not all) the people importing cars in this thread (new or used) are paying for them in cash (ie. no financing)?

Apart from using a LOC, is it possible to get an auto loan for an imported vehicle?

[larva]

Too funny. Tell them not to worry about the paperwork, you will be doing the exporting.


Thanks. I'll email them back and see what kind of response I get.

I'll take a look at a Legacy as well. My brother in law bought one in the states and is pretty happy with it. He also forwarded me to the cars101 website that you posted a link to. I think there is a $1000 rebate on Legacy's too.


Has anyone on these forums had success importing a Mazda? If so, has dealing with Mazda Canada over warranty been an issue yet?

[flaming homer]

Nope, was hoping to do that my self at the truck crossing. Once I hit US Customs they made me proceed to canada customsI think even if you could it's not legal - your Certificate of Origin has been stamped "Exported" hence no longer valid in the US...

[Tijuana]

What if you get a friend from America to buy the car, sell it to you within a week and then you bring it up to Canada yourself?

[Rehan]

What if you get a friend from America to buy the car, sell it to you within a week and then you bring it up to Canada yourself? The main drawback there is that the friend would have to pay tax and probably get insurance on the vehicle too. And some manufacturers have restrictions about warranty transfers within the first few months of ownership. But other than that, it's fine.

[HighFlyer]

What if you get a friend from America to buy the car, sell it to you within a week and then you bring it up to Canada yourself?

then you pay state sales tax, unless your friend is from a state with no sales tax.

[ChemicalBoy]

Am I right in understanding that most (if not all) the people importing cars in this thread (new or used) are paying for them in cash (ie. no financing)?

Apart from using a LOC, is it possible to get an auto loan for an imported vehicle?

Dont think u could get it in the US in order to import it, it has to not have any liens on it. Think the best was is either u have the money or get a LOC, in most cases even with a LOC u would still benefit from the price.


To Kamloops, is there a way to get from the canadian side back into then? I mean I want to spend couple of more hours down there.

[michelb]

Slightly off topic but if there's anyone in the Ottawa area interested in partnering up to start up a business importing and flipping cars, PM me.

[scouzi]

I don't think there's really a fixed number but you'd be curbsiding which is illegal (not really sure why though). Instead of doing it as an individual, just register as a car dealer - I don't think it actually costs that much and there's probably benefits to doing it that way.

You need a dealer's license and a physical location to sell cars. This location usually needs to be approved by the city before you can get the license. You also need around a $100k bond (Quebec) to get the license depending on the province. I think there are legal issues pertaining to minimum warranties but I'm not 100% certain.

[AllWheelDrift]

Now, onto business. To consolidate all of the useful on this thread, i am thinking of putting together a wiki where we can update price comparisons for different cars, procedures, and dealerships that are willing work with with Canadians.

Would anyone be up for something like this? or continuing to use this thread is good enough?
I think a wiki would be an excellent idea and I was thinking of suggesting it. People are constantly posting "I haven't read the entire thread but I have a question..." and 99% of the time the questions has already been answered. Given the length of this thread, I can't really fault people for asking again because even using the search it's really hard to find info you know is here.

I think the proceedure is the most important part. The links to the apa site with warranty information, dealers that have been helpful, sites for finding used cars are all also very useful. Inspection proceedures for particular provinces etc...

A list of manufacturers that simply won't allow American dealers to sell cars to Canadians. Speaking of which, I just talked to a US Audi dealer who confirmed it's strictly forbidden by Audi to sell to Canadians. He informed me that if he sold to a Canadian he could lose his franchise and be charged-back $10,000 for each unit. He also suggested that did not mean that I may not be able to find another Audi dealer willing to take the risk.

[vim]

Does anyone know if the 2008 Sienna are admissable into Canada?

Looking at RIV website, they only list 2007 models of the Toyota vehicles.

I just got this from riv:



Thank-you for your recent inquiry about the importation of a 2008 Toyota Sienna from the US to Canada.


This vehicle appears to be admissible as it is cited on Transport Canada's List of Vehicles Admissible from the United States as admissible, revised September 2007 under Section 5 – Multipurpose Passenger Vehicle (MPV). This vehicle must bear a Statement of Compliance label affixed by the Original Equipment Manufacturer stating that "the vehicle as manufactured to comply with all US federal emission, bumper and safety standards on the date of manufacture". This label is located on the pillar of the driver door side. Failing that, we will accept a letter from the manufacturer stating the same. Please refer to this list at http://www.riv.ca/english/US_vehicle_admissibility.pdf ..



Please note that as of September 1st 2007 CMVSS 114 Immobilizers will be in effect at this time this may change the status of admissibility on your vehicle. If you’re planning on importing this vehicle after September 1st 2007, than the vehicle must have an immobilizer unit.

[johnsa]

has anyone imported a 350Z??/I am wondering if it requires any significant mods. ie new bumper????

I can pick up a brand new base model for 25kUS=25K CDN:D

Also considering a new motorcycle..Goldwing or Kawasaki Concours 14..just can't decide.....

[Shojin]

I think a wiki would be an excellent idea and I was thinking of suggesting it. People are constantly posting "I haven't read the entire thread but I have a question..." and 99% of the time the questions has already been answered. Given the length of this thread, I can't really fault people for asking again because even using the search it's really hard to find info you know is here.

+1

I second this idea :D It really would help a lot:!:

[moguy]

[QUOTE=AllWheelDrift;5655310]I think a wiki would be an excellent idea and I was thinking of suggesting it. People are constantly posting "I haven't read the entire thread but I have a question..." and 99% of the time the questions has already been answered. Given the length of this thread, I can't really fault people for asking again because even using the search it's really hard to find info you know is here.

QUOTE]

A wiki would be great. As great as this thread is, it has become far too big to be easily searched or read.

[Fx45]

A wiki would be great. As great as this thread is, it has become far too big to be easily searched or read.

Glad people like this idea - now to find time to learn how to do it :P Moderators - would it be possible to host something like that on RFD? would be a shame to need to do something like this on an external site when all the info is from here...

[Rehan]

Glad people like this idea - now to find time to learn how to do it :P Moderators - would it be possible to host something like that on RFD? would be a shame to need to do something like this on an external site when all the info is from here... I suggested it to Ryan earlier today... Hopefully it can happen. :)

[michelb]

I just got this from riv:



...

Please note that as of September 1st 2007 CMVSS 114 Immobilizers will be in effect at this time this may change the status of admissibility on your vehicle. If you’re planning on importing this vehicle after September 1st 2007, than the vehicle must have an immobilizer unit.

Interesting that you've also confirmed that 2008s that aren't eligible (e.g. SubForesters) are because of lack of immobilizer (as has been speculated). I don't understand why you can't just add the immobilizer like you can add the bumpers or child-seat restraints or any other minor mods (e.g. DRLs). If some Foresters have them and some don't, it can't be that hard to add can it (not to mention that immobilizers are available aftermarket as well)).

As an aside, I recently saw some stats that said from 2003-2006 (or something like that), 33% of stolen cars had immobilizers. Given that many of the cars on the road during that time didn't come with immobilizers, it kind of implies that they're pretty useless (if 1/3 of the cars stolen had immobilizers but only 1/3 of the cars had immobilizers then cars with immobilizers are stolen just as much as cars without them - if less than 1/3 of cars on the road from 2003-2006 had immobilizers then cars with immobilizers were actually stolen more than cars without !!! (as mentioned I really have no idea what the actual numbers are but given the number economy cars and of older cars still on the road as well, I can't imagine the percentage was all that high)).

[larva]

Thanks. I'll email them back and see what kind of response I get.

I emailed back some Mazda dealerships and the various responses included:

- I can buy a vehicle but I "must register it in the state"

- They "cannot sell a New Mazda to a Canadian Resident."

- "We are restricted from selling any new vehicle that we know will be registered or shipped to any foreign country...another dealer was fined $350,000 for selling three vehicles to a customer who exported them to China...the manufacturer insists on controlling the selling theater, we have to either comply or chance forfeiting our Franchise."

[icecom]

There is something that easily overlooked and you need it for your insurance binder. This is the requirement from TD Meloche Monnex:
mileage,
Trim
Final price
VIN
Seller and buyer signatures

I was declined because missing mileage and signatures. I have to postpone planed next Monday pick up. Hope you can avoid that by asking the dealer to complete the bill of sale.

[KillaB]

Everyone is saying one thing and you're saying the other!!!!!! As far as I've read in this forum, non-US residents don't need to pay state taxes. Corolla LE MSRP (US) is 16,415 and MSRP (Can) is 21,900. I'm willing to go to Detroit if I find a dealer there :)

It definetly varies by state.

In some states you can claim the tax back only if you're willing to have the vehicle shipped (not driven) back across the boarder.

Send me a PM if you're looking for a Toyota dealer still selling to Canadians, allowing you to drive off the lot, and NOT charging state taxes....the way it should be :cheesygri

[bionicbadger]

There is something that easily overlooked and you need it for your insurance binder. This is the requirement from TD Meloche Monnex:
mileage,
Trim
Final price
VIN
Seller and buyer signatures

I was declined because missing mileage and signatures. I have to postpone planed next Monday pick up. Hope you can avoid that by asking the dealer to complete the bill of sale.

Were you talking about a used car? New cars don't need that.
You should have talked to someone else. All they need is a VIN for a new vehicle and you should have 14 days to get the car registered and get them the other information. I used TF Meloche Monnex and it was no problem to get 14 day temporary insurance. Once I got my registration/plates I called back and then they asked me for some of that stuff, but not the seller/buyer signatures.

[MrDisco]

Would anyone be up for something like this? or continuing to use this thread is good enough?

yes please do this. a Wiki is a fantastic idea. i would suggest writing in a newbie/dummy friendly way - timelines with what to do when, various costs/fees, who you have to deal with, etc etc.

[Kamloops]

has anyone imported a 350Z??/I am wondering if it requires any significant mods. ie new bumper????

I can pick up a brand new base model for 25kUS=25K CDN:D

Also considering a new motorcycle..Goldwing or Kawasaki Concours 14..just can't decide.....
Not sure about mods but you will get a 6.1% extra dutie, they are made in Japan. Still save a ton.

The 350Z has a base price of about $28,000 in the US. In Canada, the base price is $49,800 (though it does come with a bit more standard equipment - not much). That's a 56% mark-up!
Simply put, the Canadian market gets SCREWED when it comes to low volume and /or performance cars. Screwed. It's not like changing the speedo in the dash and giving people the option of French labels costs $10,000. Why would a person pay $50,000 Cdn. for a new 350Z when they can go across the border and get one for $35,000 after duty and exchange?!

[Kamloops]

Anyone who bought and saved money can you pm me what you bought and how much you saved. I am going to put a list together and post it. I will keep your ID secret

Thanks

[johnsa]

Not sure about mods but you will get a 6.1% extra dutie, they are made in Japan. Still save a ton.

The 350Z has a base price of about $28,000 in the US. In Canada, the base price is $49,800 (though it does come with a bit more standard equipment - not much). That's a 56% mark-up!
Simply put, the Canadian market gets SCREWED when it comes to low volume and /or performance cars. Screwed. It's not like changing the speedo in the dash and giving people the option of French labels costs $10,000. Why would a person pay $50,000 Cdn. for a new 350Z when they can go across the border and get one for $35,000 after duty and exchange?!

Found a new 2007 for 25,600..same dealer I bought my 2007 Maxima from..so tempting........

[bcbud]

just closed a deal on a new 2007 nissan maxima SL
who says there is no savings?
the cars are identical or darn near in canada and the US
I am guessing after I pay for it I am saving about $10,000.00 after all my costs including having it delivered here but could have saved more if i went and picked it up and did my own paper work
have a friend who knows importing and he is having it delivered here and registered in my province etc...
saw similar or same car advertised in my province for $5000 more at a CHEV dealer so am guessing it is a US import since it is advertised as used but only200 kilometers
thanks to monsieur and others who have this site and those that answered my questions
now back to shopping for some kinda crossover either the enclave or the tribeca and sure I will save another 10,000.00 with the dollar climbing more


I'm interested in the both The Enclave (& Tribeca), if you do import an Enclave be sure to post your Experience please.

[eastsidesubaru]

Anyone who bought and saved money can you pm me what you bought and how much you saved. I am going to put a list together and post it. I will keep your ID secret

Thanks

More than that, I think you need an FAQ....
I'm trying to think what questions I see getting asked here over and over.
I would say Insurance, Warranty and Border crossing/Recall clearance letter/MSO stuff, as well as Which dealers will sell what brands and to whom...
Make sure that goes in the wiki/FAQ...

[jcl4]

Hi I was trying to find a 2007 wrx impreza before, but now have set my eyes on the 08 forester.
I am just wondering if anyone in this forum have imported a forester before?
I would love to know how did your deal went down, and some advice or cautions of buying one of these. If you don't mind can pm me.
Any comment will be helpful!

[icecom]

Were you talking about a used car? New cars don't need that.
You should have talked to someone else. All they need is a VIN for a new vehicle and you should have 14 days to get the car registered and get them the other information. I used TF Meloche Monnex and it was no problem to get 14 day temporary insurance. Once I got my registration/plates I called back and then they asked me for some of that stuff, but not the seller/buyer signatures.

I called a couple of times both of them told me I need bill of sale. I will try again. Thanks.

[dasteve]

Found a new 2007 for 25,600..same dealer I bought my 2007 Maxima from..so tempting........

In the riv under Nissan/Infiniti:
Vehicles equipped with passive restraints do not meet CMVSS 210, seat belt anchorage location requirements. Passive restraints are identified as either a motorized upper torso restraint or door mounted 3-point restraint. See EXPLANATIONS on cover page.

On this car and driver website (http://www.caranddriver.com/carspecs/2007-nissan-350z/nissan_350z_roadster/6240-350ZENTHUSIASTV635Liter.html) it mentions:
Passive Restraints: driver and passenger front and side airbags

I'm really not sure what either means or if it matches the condition. If so, it may not be importable...

[Indijones]

It definetly varies by state.

In some states you can claim the tax back only if you're willing to have the vehicle shipped (not driven) back across the boarder.

Send me a PM if you're looking for a Toyota dealer still selling to Canadians, allowing you to drive off the lot, and NOT charging state taxes....the way it should be :cheesygri

PM sent!

[steveng]

I know that Honda/Acura will not honour their warranties in Canada on new cars but will they on used cars?

And does a demo count as a used car? I'm pretty sure it does but would like confirmation. Then you wouldn't have the pay GST on import either, just PST upon registration.

[donx]

My friend has almost bought a Q7 3.6 Premium in Toronto yesterday, when he asked for my opinion, I asked him to wait to buy from US.

The dealer is pushing him to buy it within a couple of days, trying to sell to my friend for 76,000 on the road, and said the original price is 86,000 and this is a special promotion that only last this week...

I couldn't help laughing, I told me friend that he could buy it in the states for 50,000, and then he immediately changed his mind.:D

But now I am hearing from this thread that it is almost impossible to buy Audi in the states to import to Canada. Is this true? Would really appreciate it if anybody could share your experience with importing Audi.

[Rehan]

I know that Honda/Acura will not honour their warranties in Canada on new cars but will they on used cars? No, not on used cars either.

And when importing, it doesn't matter whether a vehicle is "new" or "used"...you still have to pay GST at the border in both cases. (And PST when you get it plated.)

[scouzi]

My friend has almost bought a Q7 3.6 Premium in Toronto yesterday, when he asked for my opinion, I asked him to wait to buy from US.

The dealer is pushing him to buy it within a couple of days, trying to sell to my friend for 76,000 on the road, and said the original price is 86,000 and this is a special promotion that only last this week...

I couldn't help laughing, I told me friend that he could buy it in the states for 50,000, and then he immediately changed his mind.:D

But now I am hearing from this thread that it is almost impossible to buy Audi in the states to import to Canada. Is this true? Would really appreciate it if anybody could share your experience with importing Audi.

Try these guys:

They can't sell new to Canadians

http://www.lewisautos.com/sales-to-non-us-citizens.htm

But they can find slightly new ones:

http://www.lewisautos.com/canadian_sales.htm


And these guys have had these Q7 forever. They can't seem to be able to get rid of them.

http://www.kinneymotors.com/frameset.htm?url=/featured_vehicles.htm

One on sale for 42K US.

http://www.kinneymotors.com/new_vehicle_details.htm?vehicleId=cfe47f2b4046381e 01824d2c7a18f1e2


They've had these since May.

[Genia11]

http://www.wheels.ca/article/31673

[Hybrid88]

The Canadian government is holding seminars for Canadians on how to import their vehicles into Canada!

Canada Border Services Agency
http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/events/on/scr-veh-eng.html

RIV
http://www.riv.ca/english/html/how_to_import.html

[Carisear]

if anyone has any experience buying a LEXUS or INFINITI on the west coast (i'm in vancouver -- so washington/oregon are preferable) please post it up, or PM me with the info. i'm current looking at the IS250/350 and g37 coupe.

thanks!

[makalan]

just wonder has anyone special order a from lexus at state, is it possible to haveit as Km instead of mile odometer?

[Flavour]

The Canadian government is holding seminars for Canadians on how to import their vehicles into Canada!

Canada Border Services Agency
http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/events/on/scr-veh-eng.html

RIV
http://www.riv.ca/english/html/how_to_import.html

Someone mentioned this earler. I'm signed up for one next month so if theres any new news I'll post it up.

[teep]

The big day - awaited for past 3 weeks when the process started.

The new Subie Outback is here!

I have to say its a really lovely car with all those LLBean model goodies: esp the perforated leather seats are a delight (not available on Canadian models). Nice subtle blue colour. Wife (it her car) is over the moon.

Brother-in-law picked it up and drove it from Seattle. Thanks to Zach and Eastside Subaru who had faxed the right things at the right time to the US Border, and were also most helpful in a number of other ways.

There were no problems at the border, except for some nervous cellphone calls when it looked like Bro might miss the 3pm deadline as he was was stuck in a long line-up at the Blaine crossing: in fact the deadline has been extended to 3.30pm so all was OK. Although he was armed with copies of the owner's DL and passport, and his own DL# name and address had been supplied to the US border in advance, none of this turned out to be needed.

Time at the US border getting it exported: 1 minute (didnt even look at the car).

Time at the Canadian border with very friendly Border Service lady filling in Form 1 and paying the RIV fee and GST: 15 minutes (didnt look at the car)

Forex rate for the GST calculation: 99.98 !

The Canadian border lady faxed form 1 to RIV, but when I phoned after the car arrived here, they said it was too early for the details to be on their system. They said to fax in the Subaru recall clearance letter (already arrived) and then I had to wait 72 hours before asking for Form 2: so the inspection and registration wont be before next Tuesday.

Total savings are on track for $10.5k.

[vim]

Can I import new car under my and my wife's name together? I want title to say my name, my wife name. But my wife will not be present at the border. Anyone done that?

[lightbulb]

I noticed a couple of ads in this week's "Auto" section. One for $2,000 worth of accessories or gas with the purchase of a Subaru Outback, which sounded unsually generous and another ad from a Florida based used luxury dealer,http://www.chariotsofpb.com. Their ad includes "...experts in the exportation of vehicules from the U.S. to Canada". A quick look at their site yields a range of BMW, Porche, MB and more exotic makes. I'm picking up my Subie next week otherwise I'd be very tempted by one of their listings, an '06 Volvo S60 R with less than 5,000 miles for $32,000; this was the 300hp beauty that was around $60,000 new in Canada.

[Monsieurmaggot]

More than that, I think you need an FAQ....
I'm trying to think what questions I see getting asked here over and over.
I would say Insurance, Warranty and Border crossing/Recall clearance letter/MSO stuff, as well as Which dealers will sell what brands and to whom...
Make sure that goes in the wiki/FAQ...

I like your thinking.

Personally I would avoid a WIKI since it's open to everyone and you know the dealers will be adding their mis-information.

If the RFD moderators wants to set up a locked FAQ area within this site, I would be happy to contribute. Perhaps we can split the task among a few of us.

Give me access and I'll start the process...

Folks can contribute what models come across easily, what dealers sell to who, what we know about warranties.

We can add the names of the Super Saver members so if anyone had particular questions about importing a specific model, the reader would know who to PM.

We can start by including the FAQ on page 1 that was compiled by Michelb and myself.

[johnsa]

I just got an email from Chev dealer advertising new corvette coupes at $7,000 off!! That would make a base C6 38,075......wow..I am rethinking my thoughts on buying a 350Z......list in Canada on a base vette is $68,495..........:cheesygri :cheesygri

[iandi]

the star has a story on this today:
http://www.wheels.ca/article/31673

[tzcnd]

Just as a reminder... Although you may be saving $10k-ish on the purchase of the new vehicle, some of those savings will be wiped out when it comes time to sell the car -- US model cars typically sell for less in Canada than their Canadian counterparts. I was browsing Toyota Siennas on trader.ca, and there's a 2006 Sienna LE listed for several thousand less than other '06 Sienna LE's and even less than some CE's.

(There's a thread here (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=488457) about the reasons why US cars sell for less...)

So in about 12+ years when the wrecking yard comes to tow away my Sienna i'm only going to get $190 instead of $200. Wow I guess I should have bought in Canada. Oh wait the interest that I got on the $10000 I saved is just going to be a bit more than the $10 less the wrecking yard will give me.

[HighFlyer]

Long shot question..... Has anyone been able to get a "do not sell to Canadians" dealer to sell to them if they have a US work visa (ie. L1B)?

[tzcnd]

Somebody needs to know the background to this DesRosiers person.

Who did he work for in the past?

Where are the sources of contribution coming from towards his research?

He is a lap dog of the Canadian automobile manufacturers. Whatever his masters tell him to say he says. The only thing that you're going to get out of his mouth is verbal diarrhea.

[johnsa]

I am looking for the name of a Chevrolet dealer who will sell to canada...Please advise!

[tzcnd]

DesRosiers Automotive Consultants Inc
Dennis DesRosiers
President
dennis@desrosiers.ca
80 Fulton Way Suite 101
Richmond Hill, Ontario
L4B 1J5
tel: 1-905-881-0400 - 13
fax: 1-905-881-7456
mobile: 1-416-543-8611
www.desrosiers.ca

Since he has so generously provided his cell number I think that everyone should give him a call and tell him what they think of his BS.

[scouzi]

Long shot question..... Has anyone been able to get a "do not sell to Canadians" dealer to sell to them if they have a US work visa (ie. L1B)?

The rule is not "do not sell to Canadians" but rather "do not sell for export to Canada". If you are a Canadian with a US address, they can sell to you. It`s not based on nationality.

[HotDeal]

The story is abount a lag in prices in Canada and U.S. but for some reason when they did an example of a vehicle they selected two used Toyota's and arrived at a lower prices for them in Canada then in the U.S.

It is interesting that they selected used and Toyota. I recently purchased new Toyota Sienna with conservative savings of about $8,000. Why they chose a used Toyota from one dealer when they did not choose used products for any other example of prices in Canada and U.S.. I wonder if there was some corporate (Toyota) input into this story.

[shopper-X]

The story is abount a lag in prices in Canada and U.S. but for some reason when they did an example of a vehicle they selected two used Toyota's and arrived at a lower prices for them in Canada then in the U.S.

It is interesting that they selected used and Toyota. I recently purchased new Toyota Sienna with conservative savings of about $8,000. Why they chose a used Toyota from one dealer when they did not choose used products for any other example of prices in Canada and U.S.. I wonder if there was some corporate (Toyota) input into this story.

All for-profit news outlets are biased. It's all about advertising dollars. Newspapers layout the advertising first then fill in the leftover space, called "News Holes" with articles.

They need the ad dollars to generate revenues and will resort to articles like these to keep their advertisers happy, not their customers.

If you think/know you can save X thousands of dollars, do it. We did and even though it's not here yet, I'm sure will be happier that we can enjoy a better quality vehicle for a lot less money.

[tico 1948]

In case anyone finds this helpful, I am dealing with Manchester Subaru in Manchester, New Hampshire. Alexander(He goes by the abbreviation "Xan" pronounced San) Peterson has given me what I feel is a super deal.I didn't even try to beat him down.He just came up with something I felt to be very fair.:) If there are any Eastern (Maritime) Canadian prospective buyers of U.S. vehicles out there you may want to Google their website. They have a very good inventory, lots of selection both new & used.They have given me the best price, including accessories of any that I have seen on RFD as well as any that I rec'd from other dealers.One thing that some Maine dealers wanted to charge is a $249.00 Documentation Fee along with saying I "may" be responsible for state taxes as well. That kinda raised a warning sign right there. If anyone wants to know the final deal, you can pm me.

[hugedrive]

Hi,


I am looking to import a Meercedes 2008 ML320 CDI from the USA.

The question I have for the RFD experts is the following:

Since it is not considered as a passenger vehicle, is it posible to import a Mercedes ML SUV? Will I keep the warranty?

Thanks for your help.

[longdong]

Hi,


I am looking to import a Meercedes 2008 ML320 CDI from the USA.

The question I have for the RFD experts is the following:

Since it is not considered as a passenger vehicle, is it posible to import a Mercedes ML SUV? Will I keep the warranty?

Thanks for your help.

Forget the Mercedes SUV man, it 's inadmissible. You need to export this SUV back to US.

Check section 5 of :
http://www.riv.ca/english/US_vehicle_admissibility.pdf

All others SUV but Mercedes-Benz.

[HSK]

Forget the Mercedes SUV man, it 's inadmissible.
Check section 5 of :
http://www.riv.ca/english/US_vehicle_admissibility.pdf
All others SUV but Mercedes-Benz.

Wrong. Section 5 is for motor homes and modified vehicles (van campers etc). Section 2 (General) is the appropriate section for a Mercedes ML.

[Comatose]

Actually, both you guys need to read section 5 more carefully :)

1) it does indeed apply to SUV's/minivans/etc.
2) Despite it having Mercedes under the admissible column, the explanations are that you need to contact Mercedes Canada directly to determine if its admissible or not..

Wrong. Section 5 is for motor homes and modified vehicles (van campers etc). Section 2 (General) is the appropriate section for a Mercedes ML.

[tzcnd]

Everyone that has imported from the US tell your friends about the savings and how easy it is to do. Don't let the biased news media spread their propaganda without being challenged.

Although I have only imported one car/van myself I know that I am directly responsible for two other people importing trucks because I did it. These are friends that I know did it because of myself and my experiences. Total savings on the three vehicles is at least $45000. I know that there are probably others that I have indirectly helped because of postings and PMs that I have received.

SPREAD THE WORD AND HELP A FRIEND SAVE A TON OF MONEY.

[sharp21]

What about buying a vehicle to resell in canada? Is the warranty transferable to the next person? Or does it stop there as it is then used?
I work in the states so would have opportunity to do this about 4 times per year...
S.

[hugedrive]

Has anyone here ever heard of someone having sucessfully imported a Mercedes into Canada?

Thanks again

[sharp21]

Also, what about getting financing for the vehicle? Must arrange with the bank prior to going to the US?
S.

[longdong]

Wrong. Section 5 is for motor homes and modified vehicles (van campers etc). Section 2 (General) is the appropriate section for a Mercedes ML.

I did contact RIV by email, and they told me that Section 5 applied for Van and SUV. Concerning "the explanations are that you need to contact Mercedes Canada directly to determine if its admissible or not.." , do you really want to go through this step (with risk that your bought vehicle couldn't import to Canada) ? if you have plenty of other good SUV out there from other manufactures.

[danlg]

Hi all
I know that Audi dealers will not sell brand new vehicles for export out of US. See the following dealer correspondence:

"We are allowed to sell new vehicles to anyone - regardless of nationality - so long as they intend to register the vehicle in the United States. For example, if you are a Canadian with a winter home in Florida or a summer home in upstate New York, we can sell you a new vehicle as long as you tell us that you intend to register the car here in the U.S. You must provide us with that valid address, and we must make out all paperwork to you at that address. We will provide you with an in-transit plate allowing you to drive the car for 30 days pending final registration."

I have family in WA state whos address I could use, however i then get stuck with 8.9% WA state sales tax.

What if I drive to oregon, pay 0% sales tax , give the Oregon dealer my family's address in Seattle (dealer will not charge tax as car is not remaining in Oregon), then drive the car through to Canada and follow the normal import process?

Anyone have any thoughts on this? Good or bad idea?? Main purpose is to end up with a brand new Audi in the end, without blowing savings on US sales tax.

Cheers

[luxurytravel]

I imported a 2006 Mercedes ML 350 into Vancouver from Denver. No problems, but I did use a customs broker (Pacific) and they charged me 800 bucks. I then had it towed from their "hold" facility in Blaine and towed to Vancouver. You do need a recall letter, and need to place a call into Mercedes Benz Canada and receive a letter (kind of like a no objection letter).

[maurice t]

Has anyone here imported a car into Winnipeg, if so from where? Just want to see if anyone in Grand Forks is willing to sell us Manitobans a vehicle. Thanks

[HSK]

Actually, both you guys need to read section 5 more carefully :)

1) it does indeed apply to SUV's/minivans/etc.

No. You need to understand Section 5. Section 5 is for automobiles that are "modified to meet the needs of physically challenged individuals, travel vans and conversion vans".

A Mercedes Benz ML does not fall under Section 5. It falls under Section 2.

[Rehan]

No. You need to understand Section 5. Section 5 is for automobiles that are "modified to meet the needs of physically challenged individuals, travel vans and conversion vans".

A Mercedes Benz ML does not fall under Section 5. It falls under Section 2. They're right...it's section 5. In Section 2, it says for SUVs: "There are numerous restrictions on these types of vehicles. Please read Section 5 carefully." :razz:

The top of Page 13 (part of Section 5) has the details for non-modified SUVs and minivans.

[Rehan]

What about buying a vehicle to resell in canada? Is the warranty transferable to the next person? Or does it stop there as it is then used? Most are transferrable. Some (like Nissan) are void if you sell the vehicle within 6 months.

I work in the states so would have opportunity to do this about 4 times per year... I think that flipping that many vehicles would make you a "curbsider" in the eyes of the gov't, and that's against the Motor Vehicle Dealers Act (http://www.omvic.on.ca/mvda.htm). There can be pretty hefty fines if you're caught.

[sharp21]

There must be a number of vehicles an individual can turn over in a year without being considered a dealer! If its less than 4 then I would stick to that number.
How about financing? Would I need to arrange with my Canadian bank before going down to purchase?
Just to clarify, Toyota warranty is good in Canada correct? Was looking at a frontier, but perhaps a tacoma would be the better deal...
S.

[degenx83]

Anyone know any Infiniti dealers in New York State that will sell to Canadians?

I'm looking specifically for something near the Quebec border or on the other hand something right near New York city (my friend has a house in Connecticut).

Thanks

[leta01]

Hi,

I am thinking of buying a used Totoya Highlander. I have done some reading from this thread, as well as others in the net. Basically, these are the steps that I have to follow:

1. Find a car. If I find a car through a US dealer, do I have to pay American taxes ?
2. Fill out a form from RIV and pay $200.
3. Send the information to US custom (at the exiting port) three days prior to bring it to Canada
4. Get somekind of recall letters from either an American Toyota Dealer or from a Canadian Dealer to prove that the vehicle is free from recalls.
5. Drive the car through Custom. Pay GST (what about PST)
6. Goto CrappyTire to get the car certify
7. Goto MTO to get Ontario license (at this point, do I have to pay more taxes). What if I buy it from a dealer in the US, do I have to pay the PST ?

Please let me know if I am missing anything.

Thanks very much.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Hi,

I am thinking of buying a used Totoya Highlander. I have done some reading from this thread, as well as others in the net. Basically, these are the steps that I have to follow:

1. Find a car. If I find a car through a US dealer, do I have to pay American taxes ?
2. Fill out a form from RIV and pay $200.
3. Send the information to US custom (at the exiting port) three days prior to bring it to Canada
4. Get somekind of recall letters from either an American Toyota Dealer or from a Canadian Dealer to prove that the vehicle is free from recalls.
5. Drive the car through Custom. Pay GST (what about PST)
6. Goto CrappyTire to get the car certify
7. Goto MTO to get Ontario license (at this point, do I have to pay more taxes). What if I buy it from a dealer in the US, do I have to pay the PST ?

Please let me know if I am missing anything.

Thanks very much.

1. Depending on where you buy and how experienced the dealer is with Canadian Sales. No sales tax should be payable. In NY State, many of us confirm that no tax is payable.

2. Watch the Canada Customs person fill out the form. You don't fill it out.

3. The information goes to US Customs 3 days BEFORE you show up at the border.

4. You need that before you can get Form2.

5. Once you have 3 done, go to US Customs first, then got to Canada Customs, watch them fill out form1. You can also choose to hire a broker who will charge you hundreds of dollars to take the form from Canada Customs. Remember THEY FILL OUT THE FORM in order to collect the tax.

6. Get Form2 before you go to CT.

7. We've beat this question around forever: It doesn't matter if you buy from a US dealer or receive the car as a gift form your Aunt Fanny, you still pay GST and PST (if applicable) when the car formally becomes "Canadian". A "gift" car is subject to Canada Customs applying the book value to the car. If they find you making a rediculous claim, they can also charge you with obstruction and will fine you accordingly. DON'T try to mislead Canada Customs on where/how much you paid.

Since I bought from a reputable US dealer, they didn't question my sales receipt. Others on this thread have commented that they've been fined a couple of grand for "misleading" the Customs people. If you're saving $10,000+ or more on a car, an extra couple of hundred bucks in taxes shouldn't be a concern.

If you choose to re-sell it privately, the buyer won't be paying GST.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Okay, once again I'm asked what the heck a NY State "Bill of Sale" looks like.

I have attached a lovely picture. This is what Canada Customs compared with the "dealers' invoice" which listed all the options and accessories.

Note it says "Legacy" which totally threw the MTO person. The Outbacks are called "Legacy Outbacks" in the US. My insurance company shows it as a Subaru Outback LLBean. All my paperwork shows a Legacy with the Outback LLBean trim.

Perhaps we can post these pictures in the upcoming FAQ section we're working on.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/220/516488622_e222c3bba2.jpg

This form shows the vehicle was purchased from West Herr in NY State who acquired it on a dealer trade from a dealership in Pennsylvania.

Note that it indicates a "NEW" car. This needs to be shown to your local licensing group or (in my case the MTO in Ontario) they will challenge it and request you get a safety and/or emission test.

And this is what I got for $23,000 (based on today's exchange rate) less in the US.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/173/464217464_205bd14569.jpg
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1140/1425733524_6039bd00a9.jpg

I copied the last picture with the LL Bean logo from www.cars101.com website so they get the credit for that one.

[leta01]

Thank you Monsieurmaggot. Here is another question: Can I obtain the Recall Clearance letter from a US Toyota Dealer or do I have to get it from a Canadian one ?

Thanks.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Either one will work.

Canada Customs accepts Recall letters from dealers providing they use or display a manufacturers logo or letterhead.

[thien]

Okay, once again I'm asked what the heck a NY State "Bill of Sale" looks like.

I have attached a lovely picture. This is what Canada Customs compared with the "dealers' invoice" which listed all the options and accessories.

Note it says "Legacy" which totally threw the MTO person. The Outbacks are called "Legacy Outbacks" in the US. My insurance company shows it as a Subaru Outback LLBean. All my paperwork shows a Legacy with the Outback LLBean trim.

Perhaps we can post these pictures in the upcoming FAQ section we're working on.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/220/516488622_e222c3bba2.jpg

This form shows the vehicle was purchased from West Herr in NY State who acquired it on a dealer trade from a dealership in Pennsylvania.

Note that it indicates a "NEW" car. This needs to be shown to your local licensing group or (in my case the MTO in Ontario) they will challenge it and request you get a safety and/or emission test.

And this is what I got for $23,000 (based on today's exchange rate) less in the US.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/173/464217464_205bd14569.jpg
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1140/1425733524_6039bd00a9.jpg

I copied the last picture with the LL Bean logo from www.cars101.com website so they get the credit for that one.


I am still recovering from shock after reading your post. You mean to tell me that you got a 2007 Subaru Outback 3.0R LL Bean Edition for $23,000 US OTD?

[1226]

I am still recovering from shock after reading your post. You mean to tell me that you got a 2007 Subaru Outback 3.0R LL Bean Edition for $23,000 US OTD?

I think he meant $23,000 less than in Canada.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I am still recovering from shock after reading your post. You mean to tell me that you got a 2007 Subaru Outback 3.0R LL Bean Edition for $23,000 US OTD?

I wish. You can get an Outback in the US Loaded for about $23,000 LESS than in Canada.

Here's my reasoning: You can buy a 2008 3.0R LLBean (the US price did not go up for 2008) today with the exact same rebates for $23,000+ less in the US. That's based on a 4% exchange rate.

I base this on two things: I offered a Canadian dealer $51,000 Canadian for a 2007 3.0R Premiere edition with exactly the same options and accessories I purchased. I was turned down. With local taxes that works out to just over $58,000 Canadian.

I paid around $29,000US OTD for my car. This included a bunch of options and accessories. So factoring in a 4% exchange rate plus taxes (14% total in Ontario) it comes to about $34,500. Subtract the $58,000 from $34,500 you realize a $23,500+ savings. If you live in Alberta, you save an extra $2,500 in taxes. Keep in mind the GTA dealers TURNED DOWN the offer of $51,000!

Granted, I got the LLBean which has two-toned perforated leather, extra floor mats and tire pressure monitoring which were are not available in Canada. The Premiere edition in Canada didn't have those features but had the navigation system.

Do the math yourselves.

From www.cars101.com:

Outback 3.0R LL Bean 6 cylinder, VDC, automatic 5speed Sportshift transmission model: 8DV invoice (including delivery): $29.995.

Outback 3.0R LL Bean 6 cylinder with Navigation, VDC, automatic 5 speed Sportshift transmission model: 8DW (including delivery): $31,817.

Both cars get a $750 factory rebate. Most dealers offer a $75-$100 Internet rebate and depending on who you go to anywhere from $500 to $1200 more off as holdbacks, manufacturer to dealer incentives.

In my case I was offered $1825 off the invoice price (750+75+1000) by three dealers without even haggling.

That means (using the conservative $1825 discount):

Model 8DV: $29,995 - 1825 = $28,170US
Model 8DW: $31,817 - 1825 = $29,992US

If you want to be a purist and try to get even more exact, compare the 8DW to the Canadian Premiere Edition in your equation. Simply subtract $51,000 - 31,200 ($29,992@ 4%) and you still realize a savings of about $22,000 when taxes are factored in. Remember you don't get two-toned leather, perforated leather seats and the tire pressure monitoring system which you get in the US model.

Simply add your accessories and options (not that you have many left to pick on the LLBean) and add the $77.50 NY State fees and you're out the door. No Sales tax payable in NY State.

For fun, add $10,000 to the cost and offer it to your friendly Canadian Subaru dealer. I know the answer you'll get. But you can be assured they'll be happy you stopped in. They're really lonely in the sales area. The service areas are buzzing working on all the US imported cars.

[Kamloops]

Anyone have a copy of the digital eition of the Vancouver Sun for today? Would love to read this..I am sure Toyota or GM cant stop a new car from entering canada. Sounds like another article with misinformation. I know someone that bought 3 new 2007 trucks without a hitch.

Article relevance
Page 100 CROSS- BORDER BAN ‘ NOTHING NEW’
When buyers import cars, he added, they also have to spend money making modifications to ensure they comply with Canadian vehicle safety laws. Besides Toyota, GM won’t let its new cars sold in the U. S. cross the border into Canada, neither will...
The Vancouver Sun | 22 Sep 2007 | Page: 100

[Kamloops]

Buyers finding roadblocks to car-shopping in U.S.
Dealers across the border say they don't want to cut in on Canadian turf
By Derrick Penner, Vancouver Sun
Published: Friday, September 21, 2007

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/story.html?id=2eaf555f-83ff-4a71-abe4-1ac2e48da188

Delta resident Gerry Pyke is being stymied in his efforts to engage in a bit of "free trade" by buying a new Toyota Tacoma pickup truck in Washington State, and saving himself, in his estimation, about $6,000.

It is not because there is a ban on purchasing and importing autos from the United States - with the Canadian dollar hitting par with U.S. currency, the number of Canadians car shopping across the border is skyrocketing.

The roadblock is Toyota's regional distribution agreements which forbid dealers in one region from selling to customers who are going to register their cars in another dealer's territory.

That policy doesn't sit well with Pyke, however, who contends that Toyota enjoys the benefits of the North American Free Trade Agreement that allows them to manufacture cars in Canada and the U.S., then ship them across each other's borders without tariffs, "while not giving us the benefits of an equalizing dollar."

This is "inequitable, or unfair," Pyke said in an interview, but it is not unique to Toyota.

Manufacturers can't stop Canadians from buying used cars and importing them, which is what some brokers and dealers that The Vancouver Sun contacted are suggesting.

But as far as new cars go - those which have list prices that are consistently less in the U.S. than in Canada - several manufacturers ban dealers from selling to customers who plan on registering their vehicles in Canada.

Glen Ringdal, CEO of the New Car Dealers Association of B.C., said while cross-border sales may look attractive on price, they aren't always easy to pursue, and come with their own pitfalls.

For new sales, he said, Canadians who buy in the U.S. often run into problems getting warranties honoured. Also, if they run into difficulties that require going back to the dealer, "They have a long way to go to see him."

When buyers import cars, he added, they also have to spend money making modifications to ensure they comply with Canadian vehicle safety laws.

Besides Toyota, GM won't let its new cars sold in the U.S. cross the border into Canada, neither will Acura. But Canadians should have no problems buying Fords, Subarus or Nissans that they plan to take through the process of importing.

At Skagit Subaru in Burlington, Wash., Canadian sales "have been a lot more active recently," according to Joe Thurmond, the dealership's sales manager. "We've seen a few [Canadians] each week."

Randy Carlton, sales manager at Lynwood Acura, said he sees a lot of Canadians too, but directs their attention to the used-car side of his lot. Selling new vehicles across the border has always been a violation of his dealership's sales agreement.

"We didn't realize it until it was brought to our attention," Carlton added, and it has only become an issue within the last couple of years.

The cross-border market is also growing as the value of the Canadian dollar remains high against the U.S. currency. Canadians bought a record 112,826 cars in the U.S. during 2006, according to the North American Automobile Trade Association, and the trend is still on the upswing.

However, brokers in the business of importing vehicles for Canadians report that the manufacturers are getting more strict about clamping down on sales to Canadians.

"It is getting harder for people to buy new [cars to import]," Randal Reid, owner of Kelowna-based PNT Registered Importers Inc. "The manufacturers are stepping up to the program a little more, making sure there's not a carte blanche influx [of cars into Canada]."

Reid added that the situation was reversed about five years ago when the Canadian dollar languished against its U.S. counterpart, making cars on the Canadian side of the border cheaper for Americans, who came in droves to buy.

Reid said whether Canadians can find an American dealer can be hit or miss, unless they find a "friendly dealer." He added that his company used to work with a friendly Toyota dealer in Montana until Toyota stepped in and stopped the practice.

Toyota U.S.A. spokesman Xavier Dominicis said it has been a long-standing policy for the company.

"This isn't a Canada-specific directive," Dominicis said. "This is the way our distributorships work throughout the world."

The policy is that dealers in one Toyota distributor's area are not allowed to sell vehicles that are going to wind up in another distributor's territory, whether it's Mexico, Cuba, France or Canada.

"There's nothing new in it," Dominicis added. "The purpose ... is the efficiency of allocation of product."

"Each distributorship has its own territory that it services, and you have to maintain the integrity of the territory, or distributorship."

Toyota Canada spokeswoman Nicole Grant added that on pricing, "in the long run, it's always our goal to be as competitive as we can in the marketplace."

She added that often "unseen differences" between components in Canadian and U.S. models will also influence some of the price differential.

GM Canada spokeswoman Patty Faith said that GM doesn't encourage people to buy vehicles in the U.S. and take them north. One of the problems for buyers who do this is that GM won't honour the vehicle's warranty for six months after a border crossing.

"We price to the Canadian marketplace," she added.

While GM does monitor the exchange rate, "It's not something we would look at in determining prices.

"Exchange rates are volatile. They go up and down on a regular basis. You wouldn't have seen prices change the other way when the Canadian dollar was low."

North American Automobile Trade Association president Brian Osler said that, generally, manufacturers will tell their dealers in the U.S. not to sell new cars to Canadians.

However, there is a way for Canadian buyers to get around that rule. Osler added that there are brokers, or independent auto dealers, with operations based in the U.S. that will buy new cars from American dealers. Those cars are registered in the U.S., Osler said, effectively making them used cars that the broker or dealer can pass on to a Canadian buyer.

But the New Car Dealers Association's Ringdal said many states "don't have anywhere near the used-vehicle history reporting that we have here," which can cause buyers difficulties.

And while cross-border new car sales are an issue for B.C. dealers, Ringdal sees the phenomenon as more prevalent among luxury car buyers, the segment where price differences are largest.

The pricing issue, he added, is one for the manufacturers to deal with, because they are the ones that set the wholesale and retail prices. And they are making adjustments.

"On the traditional cars that most of us buy, the price difference has been narrowing significantly, certainly during this past year," Ringdal said. "Virtually every car in Canada is cheaper today than it was a year ago, and that's because pricing strategies are catching up."

And for all the talk of rising cross-border sales, Ringdal said B.C. auto dealers "are having a record year" for sales.

Steve Wilson, sales manager at Peace Arch Toyota in south Surrey said, "We are losing some sales, there's no doubt about that," but he reports business is still good. He said his dealership put up a record year in 2006, and is even doing a bit better this year.

Wilson added that the influence of U.S.-purchased vehicles probably won't be felt for a few years, when they start showing up in the used market, which could push down prices.

And the issue of vehicle-history disclosure could come back to bite buyers when they try to trade in used autos they've purchased south of the border.

[whampoa]

I think he meant $23,000 less than in Canada.

Or $33,000 (base on current exchange rate) OTD!

Even with today's exchange rate, plus taxes and fees, there's no way a 2007 Subaru Outback 3.0R LL Bean can be had for $23,000 OTD.

Unless it's used or damage good.

[Kamloops]

Great link. read the comments -

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070919/Car_deals_070919

[Kamloops]

http://www.apa.ca/template.asp?DocID=253

Canadian Warranty Information on U.S. Cars

This information was compiled on August 3, 2007.

While the APA attempts to verify the accuracy of the following information, you MUST contact the manufacturer yourself to confirm the details of warranty coverage for your specific vehicle.


ACURA-HONDA

Honda Canada

1-888-946-6329 (Honda)

1-888-922-8729 (Acura)

300 Middlefield Rd, Scarborough, ON M1S 5B1



NO Warranty Coverage


No warranty coverage.


AUDI

Audi

1-800-822-2834

777 Bayly Street West, Ajax, ON

L1S 7G7



Warranty Coverage


Will have full Canadian warranty.

BMW

BMW Group Canada (Incl. MINI)

1-866-805-5853

920 Champlain Court, Whitby

L1N 6K9



Warranty Coverage


Warranty coverage, but free scheduled service, standard in Canada, will not be offered.

CHRYSLER

Chrysler Canada

1-800-465-2001

1-800-387-9983 (Quebec)

3000 Temple Dr, Windsor, ON

N9A 4H6



NO Warranty Coverage


U.S. cars brought into Canada new will not be covered on either side of the border.


FORD

Ford Motor Company of Canada

1-800-565-3673

The Canadian Rd, Oakville, ON

L6J 5E4



Warranty Coverage


U.S. warranty of 3 years/36,000 miles bumper-to-bumper and five years/60,000 miles on powertrain will apply.

GENERAL MOTORS

General Motors of Canada

1-800-263-3777 (English)

1-800-263-7854 (French)

1908 Colonel Sam Drive, Oshawa, ON L1H 8P7



Delayed Warranty Coverage


The owner of a new GM car imported from the U.S. must wait until the car is 6 months old before registering the warranty.


HYUNDAI

Hyundai Auto Canada

1-800-461-8242

1-800-461-5695 (Quebec)

75 Frontenac Dr, Markham, ON

L3R 6H2



Limited Warranty Coverage


Will honour the five year/60,000 mile warranty, but not the 10 year powertrain warranty that comes with U.S. market cars. The Canadian roadside assistance will not be honoured.

INFINITI

Infiniti Canada

1-800-387-0122

5290 Orbitor Drive, Mississauga, ON L4W 4Z



Warranty Coverage


Warranty applies with U.S. warranty limits. Four years/60,000 miles bumper to bumper and six years/70,000 miles on the powertrain.

KIA

KIA Canada

1-877-542-2886

180 Foster Crescent, Mississauga, ON, L5R 4J5



Warranty Coverage Unknown


Warranty coverage unknown.


MAZDA

Mazda Canada

1-800-263-4680

55 Vogell Road, Richmond Hill, ON

L4B 3K5



NO Warranty Coverage


No provision to cover new U.S. spec cars bought in the U.S. and registered in Canada.


MERCEDES-BENZ

Mercedes-Benz Canada

1-800-387-0100

98 Vanderhoof Ave, Toronto, ON

M4G 4C9



NO Corrosion Coverage


Car must be modified to meet Canadian specs by a Mercedes-Benz Canada dealer and certified that standards are met. Mercedes-Benz Canada then issues a Letter of Compliance, and the same 4 year/80,000 km warranty as Canadian market cars. There is no corrosion warranty and no extended warranty is available.
MITSUBISHI

Mitsubishi Motor Sales of Canada

1-888-576-4878

2090 Matheson Blvd. E., Mississauga, ON, L4W 5P8



Limited Warranty Coverage


Will honour the 5 year/60,000 mile new vehicle limited warranty but not the 10 year extended powertrain warranty.
NISSAN

Nissan Canada

1-800-387-0122

5290 Orbitor Drive, Mississauga, ON L4W 4Z5



Delayed Warranty Coverage


Nissan vehicles must first be registered in U.S. for coverage to apply. If the car moves to Canada after it is six months old the warranty will be valid. However, if a U.S. market car is brought to Canada and sold before the car is six months old, the warranty will be void.
SUBARU

Subaru Canada

1-800-894-4212

560 Suffolk Court, Mississauga, ON

L5R 4J7



Limited Warranty Coverage


The car must either be returned to the U.S. for warranty repairs, or the owner can have the car repaired by a Subaru dealer in Canada, pay for it in full, and submit the bill to Subaru U.S. for re-imbursement.

SUZUKI

Suzuki Canada

100 E. Beaver Creek Rd, Richmond Hill, ON




No Coverage Forenza/Reno


Suzuki Canada will provide the equivalent warranty coverage for Suzuki vehicles that originate in the U.S., but the car has to be offered in Canada (the Suzuki Forenza and Reno sold in the U.S. are not sold here, so won’t be covered).


TOYOTA-LEXUS

Toyota Canada

1-888-869-6828 (Toyota & Lexus)

1 Toyota Place, Scarborough ON,

M1H 1H9



Warranty Coverage


Will honour U.S. warranty.


VOLKSWAGEN

Volkswagen of Canada

1-800-822-8987

777 Bayly Street West, Ajax, ON

L1S 7G7



Warranty Coverage


Will have full Canadian warranty, but may not cover things like an extended service plan.

VOLVO

Volvo Cars Canada

1-800-663-8255

175 Gordon Baker Road, Toronto, ON

M2H 2N7



Warranty Coverage


Warranty applies in 50 U.S. States and Canada.

[donx]

Thanks a lot for forwarding the info, I have forwarded the info to my friend!

Try these guys:

They can't sell new to Canadians

http://www.lewisautos.com/sales-to-non-us-citizens.htm

But they can find slightly new ones:

http://www.lewisautos.com/canadian_sales.htm


And these guys have had these Q7 forever. They can't seem to be able to get rid of them.

http://www.kinneymotors.com/frameset.htm?url=/featured_vehicles.htm

One on sale for 42K US.

http://www.kinneymotors.com/new_vehicle_details.htm?vehicleId=cfe47f2b4046381e 01824d2c7a18f1e2


They've had these since May.

[eastsidesubaru]

Or $33,000 (base on current exchange rate) OTD!

Even with today's exchange rate, plus taxes and fees, there's no way a 2007 Subaru Outback 3.0R LL Bean can be had for $23,000 OTD.

Unless it's used or damage good.

If it can, please tell me where, we'd like to buy 30 of em, that's a lot less than what we have to buy them from Subaru for ;) ... if you read his post again it's clear he means he bought it for 23,000 less than what it would have cost in canada.

[Paladin2025]

Anyone on here try to import either a Toyota Tacoma or Tundra?

[smrtscott]

Just stopped buy to report my Toyota Tundra has been successfully imported and everything went smoothly. Information posted in this thread was valuable and made the process fairly simple. Way more truck than I will ever need but bah, the price was right and I'm happy.

[dudestr]

Anyone on here try to import either a Toyota Tacoma or Tundra?

imported a 07 Tundra 4x4 limited DC 5.7 three months ago and was it easy. The hardest part was finding her but lucky for me I found a used one with 100miles on her. Black with red rock leather, full load, nav, sonar, back up cam, TRD, TRD exhaust.

Good luck.

[Alexo]

Hey guys, don't worry about the American clocks, they are really easy to change. Say you buy a 2003 civic with 80 000 miles on it...for dirt cheap, simply go to an auto wrecker, and pick up a used canadian clock, usually they'll let it go for between 100-125 dollars.

Sorry to go on a tangent and reply to an old post but can anyone tell me where to find these "auto wreckers"?

Original new parts are expensive...

[ReBeL]

Sorry to go on a tangent and reply to an old post but can anyone tell me where to find these "auto wreckers"?

Original new parts are expensive...



car-part.com ;)


Big U.S/Canada Scrap Yard, Auto Wrecker, Auto Salvage, Etc... Database...

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[Alexo]

If you don't tell a US dealer you are exporting the car, HE IS REQUIRED to charge you sales tax (unless you work for the US military).

There are no "extra" or "hidden charges" when buying a car in the US.

If you're driving the car, you will need to pay for temporary plates for EVERY state you drive through.

Legally you can't use US temporary plates in Canada and are required to purchase Canadian provincial transit plates. I confirmed this with both my insurance carrier (State Farm) and my provincial transportation office (MTO for me).
Monsieurmaggot, some of this points have been contested in later postings.
Could you comment?

[MVP1]

How much Green Fee do they charge on a Lincoln Aviator? It's a V8-4.6

[scouzi]

Great link. read the comments -

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070919/Car_deals_070919

Jeffrey
The name of the Case which states that Canadian dealers must do warranty work on U.S. cars is:

Toyota Canada Inc. v. Lipetz, 1998 CanLII 4473 (BC S.C.)

I recommend anyone purchasing a car print off this case to know what Canadian Dealers are OBLIGATED to do under warranty.

Edit: Already posted before here

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5652436&postcount=4807

[longdong]

HI Guys,

recently I'm considering to buy Nissan Quest instead of Toyota Sienna or Honda Odyssey. But I just got the email back from Herb Gordon nissan that the discount price 3000$ is only applied for US customers only , so we want to buy we will pay a higher price. So they are starting to punish Canadian customer for the same car.

Here the price:
http://herbgordonspecials.com/new_models/Quest_models.html + 3000$ (for canadian customers)

[collector]

HI Guys,

recently I'm considering to buy Nissan Quest instead of Toyota Sienna or Honda Odyssey. But I just got the email back from Herb Gordon nissan that the discount price 3000$ is only applied for US customers only , so we want to buy we will pay a higher price. So they are starting to punish Canadian customer for the same car.

Here the price:
http://herbgordonspecials.com/new_models/Quest_models.html + 3000$ (for canadian customers)


I emailed them yesterday and still waiting for a quote for Altima 3.5SL. There is a small print just under the prices saying that "posted prices include all rebates".
I guess some rebates apply only if you finance your purchase through Nissan US (they offer the same $2000 rebate is here in Canada). So I guess we cannot get this rebate. But anyways it shouldn't be $3000 difference.
If we cannot get any of this rebates for 2007 models it is kind of pointless getting 2007. I will wait a week or few and once RIV will add 2008 models to the list I will get 2008 instead.

[longdong]

I emailed them yesterday and still waiting for a quote for Altima 3.5SL. There is a small print just under the prices saying that "posted prices include all rebates".
I guess some rebates apply only if you finance your purchase through Nissan US (they offer the same $2000 rebate is here in Canada). So I guess we cannot get this rebate. But anyways it shouldn't be $3000 difference.
If we cannot get any of this rebates for 2007 models it is kind of pointless getting 2007. I will wait a week or few and once RIV will add 2008 models to the list I will get 2008 instead.

Yes that's the case for Nissan Quest, here the quote that she sent me:
"So you price would be $18,720+750 (freight)+$3,000 rebate= $22,470+ any
added options you need to be in the vehicle. The rebate is only for USA
consumers. "

[bcbud]

How much Green Fee do they charge on a Lincoln Aviator? It's a V8-4.6

I believe Aviators have been discontinued so you do not need to pay a Green Fee, according to the CRA Link and quote below.


Q.5 When will the new excise tax come into effect?

A.5 The new excise tax applies to automobiles delivered by a manufacturer after March 19, 2007 and each automobile imported into Canada after that day unless the automobile had been put into service before March 20, 2007.

This measure does not apply to an automobile for which an agreement in writing has been entered into before March 20, 2007 between a person in the business of selling vehicles and a final consumer and for which possession is taken by the final consumer before October 2007
http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/agency/budget/2007/excise-e.html

[Monsieurmaggot]

Monsieurmaggot, some of this points have been contested in later postings.
Could you comment?

Boy that's old information:

I don't think any of these points were ever contested. That's the whole point of a thread. People give their findings and others add to it and confirm their experiences.

Some folks don't get inspected when they reach US Customs, others do. Some people are told to buy an Ontario permit, others are given opposite instructions. The inspection at Canadian Tire could take five minutes or an hour depending on how anal the inspector is. I think the rules leave a lot to interpretation.


"If you don't tell a US dealer you are exporting the car, HE IS REQUIRED to charge you sales tax (unless you work for the US military)".

You need to tell the dealer you are NOT a local resident. In my case, I was asked to show proof of "non-residency" to avoid NY State tax. From what one dealer told me, US Military personnel going on assignment can buy vehicles in the US and export them to their new location without incurring local taxes. Originally I was asked if I was with the military.

"There are no "extra" or "hidden charges" when buying a car in the US."

Most dealers in the US give you OTD (out the door) pricing. Unlike Canadian dealers that agree on a price then add on "door etching" and "administrative" fees.


"If you're driving the car, you will need to pay for temporary plates for EVERY state you drive through".

This has yet to be clearly answered. When it was posted originally, that was the thinking. There were RFDers who crossed many states and were given those instructions.


"Legally you can't use US temporary plates in Canada and are required to purchase Canadian provincial transit plates. I confirmed this with both my insurance carrier (State Farm) and my provincial transportation office (MTO for me)".

This is another long-standing question. It appears that there is mixed feelings on this. Many RFDers are reporting that they've travelled across many states with a single permit. In my case, State Farm told me that I would need a temporary permit for every jurisdiction I travelled through. At the end of the day, it's important to do what your insurer says to avoid any possible complications in the event of an accident. The last thing you need is to have them say "you're not covered". What you don't want is to get into an accident and should there be a personal liability issue, find out that you're going to incurring all the costs of repairs never mind all the legal issues associated with it. My insurer was quite specific on this.

[bcbud]

I know in Canada we are charge a 6.1% import duty for non NA made cars and that that duty is hidden when we purchase these vehicle from Canadian dealers. Does anyone know if the US has a similar duty on non NA built cars? Would a non NA built cars imported from the US pay both a US duty at the dealers and then a Canadian Duty at the Border?

[Monsieurmaggot]

I know in Canada we are charge a 6.1% import duty for non NA made cars and that that duty is hidden when we purchase these vehicle from Canadian dealers. Does anyone know if the US has a similar duty on non NA built cars? Would a non NA built cars imported from the US pay both a US duty at the dealers and then a Canadian Duty at the Border?

Found this on the web:http://www.foreignborn.com/visas_imm/entering_us/7importingyourcar.htm

Foreign-made vehicles imported into the U.S., whether new or used, either for personal use or for sale, are generally dutiable at the following rates:
Autos. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.5%
Trucks . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 25%
Motorcycles. . . . . . . . . . 3% or 3.4%

[scouzi]

Found this on the web:http://www.foreignborn.com/visas_imm/entering_us/7importingyourcar.htm

Foreign-made vehicles imported into the U.S., whether new or used, either for personal use or for sale, are generally dutiable at the following rates:
Autos. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.5%
Trucks . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 25%
Motorcycles. . . . . . . . . . 3% or 3.4%

Wow - Seems to be a bit of protectionism for trucks!

[LiquidGoop]

Jeffrey
The name of the Case which states that Canadian dealers must do warranty work on U.S. cars is:

Toyota Canada Inc. v. Lipetz, 1998 CanLII 4473 (BC S.C.)

I recommend anyone purchasing a car print off this case to know what Canadian Dealers are OBLIGATED to do under warranty.

Edit: Already posted before here

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5652436&postcount=4807

That's misinformation. The outcome was that Toyota Canada was responsible for the warranty coverage because the agreement said it was between the buyer and Toyota (no country given), and the buyer was now in Canada, and Toyota's warranty explicitly covers Canada. Please read it before making incorrect statements.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Would a non NA built cars imported from the US pay both a US duty at the dealers and then a Canadian Duty at the Border?

I'm guessing, like us, the duty on foreign non-NAFTA cars is already factored into the price you pay at the US dealer.

[SiR001]

Any Canadian friendly VW(Volkswagen) dealers for new/used VW in the Washington State area (Bellingham, Seattle, Kirkland, etc) area or perhaps Oregon areas. If so please can you PM me?

I'm looking at a 2006-08 VW Jetta 2.0T, GTI or maybe...a 08 Subaru Imprezza WRX (4dr sedans) just because, they seem to be a high saving & less issues dealing dealers.

[PQpine413]

does mercedes have transferable warranty?

i've been eyeing the new C300 sports version that just came to canada..its mrsp is 41k in canada and with the 4matic option it is around 36k USD

there'll be a duty since its made in germany i believe

do you guys think this will be a good buy?

[CatchMoreFish]

I am looking into buying a 2 to 3 years old used Toyota 4Runner from US. I know I can save a lot of money. My friend remind me I need to pay attention to emission test and bumper part which may need modification. He doesn't really mean the 4Runner needs modification.

So, does anyone buy a 4Runner from US rencently? Would you please share your experience?

Thanks.

[thegradas]

Canadian Loonie reaches parity with U.S. dollar, so why are Canadian cars more expensive?

http://tinyurl.com/yt4x5n

Due to the dollar's dip, one American greenback is worth the equivalent Canadian Loonie. At least, it's worth the same at the exchange window. However, it is not worth anywhere near the same amount at Canadian car dealerships, and at least one Canadian wants to know why.

Even though the two currencies are at parity, the difference in the prices of various cars ranges from $7,000 to $10,000. An Audi A4 Quattro with the turbo 2.0-liter is $32,000 in the US, but it'll set you back more than $40,000 in Canada. A $25,095 Taurus here will run you $33,399 in Canada. The discrepancy when it comes to Volvo is highest, with a 38-percent markup that equates to an $11,000 premium if you buy in Canada.

With those kinds of numbers, it's no surprise that Canadians are going south of the border to find a set of wheels. The blogger, Clever Shark, has written to automakers to find out why the land of the maple leaf has to pay so much, but he's not holding his breath for answers.

... read the comments also

[jcl4]

Hey Zach from eastside subaru could you delete some of your mail? I can't send you anything since your messages on here are full.Thanks

[jdeals]

Hi guys,
a newbie here
This is a great thread.

I was wondering when you buy the car from say New york and drive it to Toronto, do you worry about the break-in period for the car?
What about getting the car serviced, will the Canadian service dealer mess around with your U.S. bought car?
Thanks for your comments.

[southpaw4golf]

Just returned to Edmonton from Montana with my used 2006 VW Touareg purchase. Want to report that everything went as planned, the crossing at Sweetgrass/Coutts went seemless and took an estimated 1/2 an hour.
The documents that were required were faxed to customs 72 hours prior to crossing, they were a faxed bill of sale and a faxed copy of the title in my name.
This evening I paid Riv online the $206 fee. The customs official suggested doing this over the net because she believed it sped up the process and also to put in a request from Riv that the Form 2 be emailed out to me to further speed up the process.

One question, does anyone know besides getting the required Federal inspection (RIV) if a Provincial inspection is also required for a used vehicle that is brought into Alberta, the age of the Touareg being 2006?

[diigii]

Hi guys,
a newbie here
This is a great thread.

I was wondering when you buy the car from say New york and drive it to Toronto, do you worry about the break-in period for the car?
What about getting the car serviced, will the Canadian service dealer mess around with your U.S. bought car?
Thanks for your comments.

You can drive your new car and don't worry about the break-in period. What you do is limit your speed to 90 km/h. Stop for about 30 mins every two hours just so you don't stress a new engine and let the seals set properly.

I drove my new car from Maryland to Toronto 20 days ago for a 9-hour drive. That's exactly what I did. It's a good feeling driving your new car from a long drive. Just stay on the right lane though.

Don't worry about getting your new car serviced at a local dealership. Just make sure that you take it to a dealership you trust. They won't mess with a brand new car since it's covered by the new car warranty (assuming you bought a car that's warranted in US and Canada). And if they do mess with it, they'll have to fix it again, and they actually lose more productivity and revenue.

[HighFlyer]

I was wondering when you buy the car from say New york and drive it to Toronto, do you worry about the break-in period for the car?
what I did was vary the speed.... drive 60 for a few minutes, then drop down to 50 or 40 when there's no one behind me, then back to 60, etc. After 1/2, exit, drive around the city for a few, then back to the freeway. All this while keeping the RPM's less than 4K. I was lucky there were a few slow moving vehicles in the right lane, so I just trailed behind them.

[diigii]

Just returned to Edmonton from Montana with my used 2006 VW Touareg purchase. Want to report that everything went as planned, the crossing at Sweetgrass/Coutts went seemless and took an estimated 1/2 an hour.
The documents that were required were faxed to customs 72 hours prior to crossing, they were a faxed bill of sale and a faxed copy of the title in my name.
This evening I paid Riv online the $206 fee. The customs official suggested doing this over the net because she believed it sped up the process and also to put in a request from Riv that the Form 2 be emailed out to me to further speed up the process.

One question, does anyone know besides getting the required Federal inspection (RIV) if a Provincial inspection is also required for a used vehicle that is brought into Alberta, the age of the Touareg being 2006?

Check with your provincial Ministry of Transportation. But I believe you need a safety inspection since your car is 2006 model year. If it's a current model year (2007) or a 2008 model, then you might not need one. For Ontario, it's like that. I don't know about Alberta. Check with your ministry.

[jcl4]

Hi guys, I have a question about when do you pay for the car.

If we are making one trip down, would it be possible if we paid when we get the car? or do we have to pay before hand so to get the documents processed ?

Would be much appriciated if some could share when and how you guys pay for your purchases.

Also Since I live in Vancouver, I want to ask anyone that has imported into BC that, other than gst/pst, duty, price of car to dealer, $200 riv fee, anything else you have to pay?

[johnsa]

what I did was vary the speed.... drive 60 for a few minutes, then drop down to 50 or 40 when there's no one behind me, then back to 60, etc. After 1/2, exit, drive around the city for a few, then back to the freeway. All this while keeping the RPM's less than 4K. I was lucky there were a few slow moving vehicles in the right lane, so I just trailed behind them.


I just did the 9 hr drive home at the flow of traffic..there is much debate about break in periods and also on motorcycles (which rev much higher than cars) and I think its all a mute point with todays cars...I am not saying redline the damn thing but I don't think driving for 8 hrs at fairly constant speed is going to shorten the life expectancy of your motor.


But then I won't put enough miles on it to have to worry, anyways..

[HighFlyer]

I think its all a mute point with todays cars...I am not saying redline the damn thing but I don't think driving for 8 hrs at fairly constant speed is going to shorten the life expectancy of your motor.
I'm pretty sure it would have been fine too. But I wasn't in a hurry, so it was no big deal to do it. I just went by what was posted on the cars101 site.

New Car Break-in period:
1000 miles: Drive calmly for the first 1,000 miles
Avoid hard starts and stops.
Vary your speeds over the full range of city and highway driving
Don't use cruise control too much
City and freeway driving is fine because that will vary the speeds
1st oil change due at 3 months or 3,000 miles

[HighFlyer]

does mercedes have transferable warranty?

i've been eyeing the new C300 sports version that just came to canada..its mrsp is 41k in canada and with the 4matic option it is around 36k USD

there'll be a duty since its made in germany i believe

do you guys think this will be a good buy?
If it's from Germany, duty will apply. This will bring it to $38196, which is probably close enough to the Canadian price that I would probably buy it here.

[thebat88]

since Buffalo toyota dealers can't sell cars to canadians, where do you guys buy your car from the US?
Maryland and North Carolina? Any other closer place (to Toronto)?

[eastsidesubaru]

Hi guys, I have a question about when do you pay for the car.

If we are making one trip down, would it be possible if we paid when we get the car? or do we have to pay before hand so to get the documents processed ?

Would be much appriciated if some could share when and how you guys pay for your purchases.

Also Since I live in Vancouver, I want to ask anyone that has imported into BC that, other than gst/pst, duty, price of car to dealer, $200 riv fee, anything else you have to pay?

You might pay something if you have to get the car inspected.
As to paying for it, that's a tricky issue. We have to fax the MSO to the border along with the export worksheet 3 days in advance. However, the MSO is technically not yours until the car is paid for so the MSO isn't signed over to you... At a minimum paperwork has to be filled out and signed in advance because the border needs a copy of the purchase order. :) But the payment thing is a technicality I'm not quite sure of. You need the original MSO physically in hand to get across the border but until the car is paid we can't give/sign it over to you.

[lastchild01]

hmmm this may be even sweater deals than the iphone thread!

[eastsidesubaru]

I'm pretty sure it would have been fine too. But I wasn't in a hurry, so it was no big deal to do it. I just went by what was posted on the cars101 site.

It's not a REALLY big deal but still important to try to follow the rules if you want your engine to last you a long time.
The engine is broken in at the factory, however, this is the first time it's had load put on it and it's more stress on the engine.
Really the only thing to remember is for the first 1000 miles try to keep the RPMs under 4000 as much as possible and also try not to go a constant speed for more than 15 minutes, and that's why you want to avoid cruise control a bit. You want to vary the RPMs.

[eastsidesubaru]

Hey Zach from eastside subaru could you delete some of your mail? I can't send you anything since your messages on here are full.Thanks

Sorry about that I get a LOT of PMs.
Cleared it out.

[dohmer]

I say budget around 1000 for all fees that are not gst/pst/duty. There's RIV, A/C excise tax, provincial fee, and temporary insurance. I wire transferred the money to the dealer days before the car was picked up.
Hi guys, I have a question about when do you pay for the car.

If we are making one trip down, would it be possible if we paid when we get the car? or do we have to pay before hand so to get the documents processed ?

Would be much appriciated if some could share when and how you guys pay for your purchases.

Also Since I live in Vancouver, I want to ask anyone that has imported into BC that, other than gst/pst, duty, price of car to dealer, $200 riv fee, anything else you have to pay?

[jcl4]

I say budget around 1000 for all fees that are not gst/pst/duty. There's RIV, A/C excise tax, provincial fee, and temporary insurance. I wire transferred the money to the dealer days before the car was picked up.

What are the provincial fees?

From a earlier post I digged up here I got the following
A/C excise tax -$100
RiV - $207
10-day temp - $77
1 day temp for inspection within the 10-day - $12
inspection center fee - approx $120

totaling to $516

Is there anything I missed?

Also does the pst include - car price + duty + A/c tax?
or is it just on car price?
I know gst is on all those things.

[brendonp]

What are the provincial fees?

From a earlier post I digged up here I got the following
A/C excise tax -$100
RiV - $207
10-day temp - $77
1 day temp for inspection within the 10-day - $12
inspection center fee - approx $120

totaling to $516

Is there anything I missed?

Also does the pst include - car price + duty + A/c tax?
or is it just on car price?
I know gst is on all those things.


Duty + AC tax I believe were paid at the border along with GST (IIRC).

If you are buying a used vehicle, dont forget about an eTest (~40) and a safety certificate ($40-$80 depending on where you go).

Brendon