WOW ---- New cars from US up to 30% cheaper (cost to import under $200)

[flaming homer]

For anybody that has successfully purchased a car in Florida, does the local law permit state tax exemption on exports ? Meaning, is it like New York state that if you prove that you're Canadian and are only plated temporarely you do not need to pay the State tax ?

[lins_canada]

Any lawer here? Is it possible to sue those car dealers in US if they refuse selling new car to us just because we are not American?

[Flojd]

buy a warranty with an aftermarket extended warranty company.

go to

ensurall.com

I used them

Looking at the their fine print I can see that manufacturer recalls are not covered. Ugly, if you get slapped with a big recall bill. Maybe you can go and do your recall across the border?
Other than that it looks good to me.

[flaming homer]

Looking at the their fine print I can see that manufacturer recalls are not covered. Ugly, if you get slapped with a big recall bill. Maybe you can go and do your recall across the border?
Other than that it looks good to me.And if you would have paid attention here you would have noted that recalls are always serviced by the manufacturing dealerships, regardless of your "warranty" status and location

[Matrix_dot_ca]

I never read a car being traded in the US in this thread? or should I sell my car in Canada first then buy a car in US? Selling a car might take time compared to being traded. But of course you will get a better value if you sell you car privately.

[develop]

I never read a car being traded in the US in this thread? or should I sell my car in Canada first then buy a car in US? Selling a car might take time compared to being traded. But of course you will get a better value if you sell you car privately.

I was checking this before, too much work for doing that.You have to export and import your current car to US.

[Draug]

I never read a car being traded in the US in this thread? or should I sell my car in Canada first then buy a car in US? Selling a car might take time compared to being traded. But of course you will get a better value if you sell you car privately.


You need to sell the old car in Canada and buy the new car in the US. Your car is worth WAY less in the US because the new replacement is worth way less.

[crasher]

I was at dealership here, and first they were confused that Camry XLE is 4 cyl.:cheesygri . Once I told then, then they said that I have to pay for the diognostics, and the rest will be covered under warranty from toyota USA, which of course I refused, and then they called the USA, and got authorization. But the bad news is that, the main computer in the car is faulty, and have to be ordered, meaning the car have to sit with them, for probably 1 week. So much for the toyota quality, car is less than 1 month and not even 1k miles yet. :mad:

[james-007]

I was at dealership here, and first they were confused that Camry XLE is 4 cyl.:cheesygri . Once I told then, then they said that I have to pay for the diognostics, and the rest will be covered under warranty from toyota USA, which of course I refused, and then they called the USA, and got authorization. But the bad news is that, the main computer in the car is faulty, and have to be ordered, meaning the car have to sit with them, for probably 1 week. So much for the toyota quality, car is less than 1 month and not even 1k miles yet. :mad:

Sorry to hear you are having problems with you car. On the other hand it is a risk you when purchasing across the border. If you had email Toyota before purchasing you would have realized that warranty is cover in Canada but they do say because the cars are different part might not alway be readily available in Canada. Look on the positive side a least the repairs are covered unlike Honda and others.

[dragon69]

Hello,

I am looking at importing a used 2004 BMW motorcycle from VA to Ontario. Realistically, how long does the entire process take from the time the bike arrives into Canada to the time the bike is registered??

[thegradas]

Though not officially announced, pricing for the new 2008 Subaru Impreza has leaked out onto the web courtesy of a dealer with loose lips. The complete breakdown of models and packages shows that the redesigned 2008 Impreza will have a base MSRP of $16,995 for a four-door sedan with the 2.5L boxer-four. That's a full $1,000 less expensive than the outgoing 2007 Impreza 2.5i sedan.

At the other end of the spectrum, the WRX model with its turbocharged version of the 2.5L engine producing 224 horsepower will start at $24,350 for the four-door sedan and $24,850 for the five-door hatch. This model year's 2007 WRX TR (Tuner Ready) starts lower at $23,995, but is somewhat of a blank canvas car meant for customers who will immediately begin customizing their WRX. The base 2007 WRX sedan, however, starts at $24,995, meaning the 2008 model with its controversial new skin and upgraded interior will be $645 less expensive than the outgoing model.

It appears that Impreza prices have dropped across the board, which should help satisfy potential defectors who aren't pleased with the new design. If you've got money in your pockets, the most expensive Impreza until the STi appears will be a five-door WRX model with the Satellite Radio and Navigation package that retails for $28,950. There will also be an Outback Sport version of the five-door hatch, though not the sedan, that starts at $19,995. Destination charges, don't forget, will raise the price of any model by $645.

Click here to view the 2008 Impreza's complete pricing structure.


http://www.autoblog.com/2007/07/17/2008-subaru-impreza-starts-at-16-995-wrx-at-24-350/
http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2008-subaru-impreza/315640/

[RRKnight]

I'm looking to purchase one of the following vehicle this week and need help with the prices.

I'm located in the GTA and looking for...

Toyota Camry or Corolla
Nissan Altima
Subraru Legacy or outback.

Anyone who have already purchased any of the following vehicles over the US, can you please email me with your cost and the dealer info. So that I can cross the boarder and do the same.

Thank you.

[KillaB]

For anybody that has successfully purchased a car in Florida, does the local law permit state tax exemption on exports ? Meaning, is it like New York state that if you prove that you're Canadian and are only plated temporarely you do not need to pay the State tax ?

Anyone willing to answer this or should I start calling DMV offices in each potential state with the truck I want?

What about Ohio or Michigan?

[chrisc2]

Just thought I'd share with the rest of the group (and add me to that growing list of people)! Special thanks to monsieurmaggot, gromit, tzcnd, and tuppin for their advice!

Over the last month, I've replaced my family's two vehicles and saved approximately $22,000!

2007 Toyota Sienna CE Pkg 1
US Cost: $22,500 USD x 1.055 = $23,750 + AC Tax + GST + PST + $210 Riv Fee + $200 one-way rental car + $100 hotel stay + $100 bar tab = approx $27,785 CAD
Approx Canadian Cost for Same Vehicle $37,266.60
Savings = approx $9,500

2007 Toyota Solara SE V6 Pkg 1 (Premium JBL/Pwr Seat)
US Cost: $22,700 USD x 1.052 = $23,880 + AC Tax + GST + PST + $210 Riv Fee + $200 one-way rental car + $100 hotel stay = approx. $27,850 CAD
Approx Canadian Cost for Same Vehicle $39,689 (This isn't 100% accurate since there is no V6 option for the SE. This price is for the Sport which has more features in some areas and less in others)
Approx Savings = approx $11,839
(The Canadian Border services agent wouldn't even believe the price of the car when they compared it to the Red Book Value; they searched the car for an hour and kept quizzing me about the dealer - I think they thought the receipt was forged or something)

Total Savings == close to $21,339

It took me forever to find a Toyota dealer. I think I called over 50 before I finally found one! I asked my dealer if I could tell others about them but they politely declined, they didn't realize they "shouldn't" sell to Canadians when I first inquired about the cars but out of courtesy to me, they did it (probably because the pricing they gave me was a few hundred over invoice). So my advice: keep calling Toyota dealers in the US if you really want a Toyota.

[confused]

I want an 04-06 WRX now or even an STi now :lol:

F Toyota and their boring ass cars

[soupnazi]

Chris, I noticed you didn't have to pay Duty. Is this because the Toyatas were domestically manufacturered instead made in Japan?

[chrisc2]

Yeah... the Sienna was made in Kentucky and I think the Solara too.. not 100% sure but both definitely in the US

[soupnazi]

Cool. Thx. Good ol' foreign domestic cars.:)

[RRKnight]

OK, after I've test drove some of the vehicles today. I've decided to go for the Outback. Can anyone please email me with the quotes that you've gotten from the US dealers? I'm going to make a deal tomorrow, but want to get some idea how much of I deal can I get.

Thanks

[RRKnight]

After 202 pages of this thread and no one on RFD can give me a price or have purchased an outback? Can someone please provide me with the price that you were quoted for.

Thank you.

[shopper-X]

After 202 pages of this thread and no one on RFD can give me a price or have purchased an outback? Can someone please provide me with the price that you were quoted for.

Thank you.

SEARCH...There is a SEARCH THIS TREAD option at the top under the page numbers.
People are getting tired of answering the same questions over and over again.
Also read the first post. There is a website that publishes the BEST INVOICE price.

[whampoa]

After 202 pages of this thread and no one on RFD can give me a price or have purchased an outback? Can someone please provide me with the price that you were quoted for.

Thank you.

First of all, it's like going to a dealership asking for a Subaru Outback. What would you think the salesman ask next.

Not every individual have the same exact model year, trim level and options request as yours.

[tzcnd]

Just thought I'd share with the rest of the group (and add me to that growing list of people)! Special thanks to monsieurmaggot, gromit, tzcnd, and tuppin for their advice!

Over the last month, I've replaced my family's two vehicles and saved approximately $22,000!

2007 Toyota Sienna CE Pkg 1
US Cost: $22,500 USD x 1.055 = $23,750 + AC Tax + GST + PST + $210 Riv Fee + $200 one-way rental car + $100 hotel stay + $100 bar tab = approx $27,785 CAD
Approx Canadian Cost for Same Vehicle $37,266.60
Savings = approx $9,500

2007 Toyota Solara SE V6 Pkg 1 (Premium JBL/Pwr Seat)
US Cost: $22,700 USD x 1.052 = $23,880 + AC Tax + GST + PST + $210 Riv Fee + $200 one-way rental car + $100 hotel stay = approx. $27,850 CAD
Approx Canadian Cost for Same Vehicle $39,689 (This isn't 100% accurate since there is no V6 option for the SE. This price is for the Sport which has more features in some areas and less in others)
Approx Savings = approx $11,839
(The Canadian Border services agent wouldn't even believe the price of the car when they compared it to the Red Book Value; they searched the car for an hour and kept quizzing me about the dealer - I think they thought the receipt was forged or something)

Total Savings == close to $21,339

It took me forever to find a Toyota dealer. I think I called over 50 before I finally found one! I asked my dealer if I could tell others about them but they politely declined, they didn't realize they "shouldn't" sell to Canadians when I first inquired about the cars but out of courtesy to me, they did it (probably because the pricing they gave me was a few hundred over invoice). So my advice: keep calling Toyota dealers in the US if you really want a Toyota.

Congratulations on your purchases. Glad I could provide some help. Happy that I could help another member save some serious money and not get screwed by Toyota Canada pricing.

If you're like me now that you've saved some serious money the other threads where you can save $5 on an item just don't seem that exciting.:)

[tzcnd]

Yeah... the Sienna was made in Kentucky and I think the Solara too.. not 100% sure but both definitely in the US

The Sienna is made in Princeton, Indiana. The Solara is built in Kentucky.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Can someone please provide me with the price that you were quoted for.

Thank you.

I was quoted $51,000 for a 2007 3.0R Outback Premiere from a few local GTA retailers. Naturally I didn't got with any of them!

I picked mine up in Buffalo for about $20,000 less.

As Whampoa pointed out, you're asking a pretty generic question.

"Can someone quote me on a Chevrolet"? Would that be the Cobalt or Corvette?

You want a four, six or turbocharger? You want a sedan or wagon? Leather, moonroof, navigation?....

You get the point.

This forum is to provide insight. If you're looking for specific pricing, speak to a dealer.

[Monsieurmaggot]

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Take a moment and show your appreciation.

Make our thread #1.

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[DarkCat]

After 202 pages of this thread and no one on RFD can give me a price or have purchased an outback? Can someone please provide me with the price that you were quoted for.

There is a very good Prices Paid: Buying & Leasing Experiences (http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/WebX/.ef17997/) thread at edmunds.com that you might want to check out.

[RRKnight]

I was quoted $51,000 for a 2007 3.0R Outback Premiere from a few local GTA retailers. Naturally I didn't got with any of them!

I picked mine up in Buffalo for about $20,000 less.

As Whampoa pointed out, you're asking a pretty generic question.

"Can someone quote me on a Chevrolet"? Would that be the Cobalt or Corvette?

You want a four, six or turbocharger? You want a sedan or wagon? Leather, moonroof, navigation?....

You get the point.



This forum is to provide insight. If you're looking for specific pricing, speak to a dealer.





Sorry, can someone please give me quote on an outback 4cyl with the sunroof option.

[shaolinmonk]

Sorry, can someone please give me quote on an outback 4cyl with the sunroof option.

you need to go to a dealer for specific pricing...

if you want basic pricing... use subaru.ca to get pricing on the car and compare it to van bortel.com in the US... as a start point...

[RRKnight]

you need to go to a dealer for specific pricing...

if you want basic pricing... use subaru.ca to get pricing on the car and compare it to van bortel.com in the US... as a start point...

Van bortel do not have any 07 2.5i limited left. They quoted me the 08 2.5 Limited for $25,502 US and Westherr will only beat that by $100. Is this a good price?

[shopper-X]

Van bortel do not have any 07 2.5i limited left. They quoted me the 08 2.5 Limited for $25,502 US and Westherr will only beat that by $100. Is this a good price?

Did you get Manual or Automatic, did you get it VDC or without as no more Non-VDC models delivered after July 07.
Compare your price with Cars101.com<---link from first post. (http://www.cars101.com/subaru/outback/outback2008.html#prices)

[summerman]

Anybody try Ford? 2008 Taurus X Lmt, US$29950 to CA$39990.

[rfdaddict]

As most of you would agree, this thread has the ability to save you considerable amount of money.

Take a moment and show your appreciation.

Make our thread #1.

Vote here:

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Thanks Monsiermaggot:
Your thread saved me 12K or cost me 30K;)

[yyz2hkg]

Anybody try Ford? 2008 Taurus X Lmt, US$29950 to CA$39990.

No, but try finding a dealer willing to sell to Canadians. I was trying to help a friend import a Saturn Outlook, with a savings of approx. 7-8k. No one along the border states including Rochester, Buffalo would want to risk their "franchises" by selling to Canadians. Found one a lttle further south. It's getting harder and harder now to find dealers now with the dollar so high, but keep looking and calling as other say and eventually you'll find one.

[Vincent_Chander]

Hey Guys,

Just doing some research here, but has anyone imported a g35 from the states. The savings are there, but there are the usual questions in regards to Warranty and DRLs. If anyone out there has successfully imported an infiniti from the states (or if anyone wants to provide some input) it would be greatly appreciated.

Also I know there is duty on the car as well, but I still think I can get about 7-8 grand savings.

I am currently waiting for more information and reviews on the subaru legacy 3.0 R, so I thought I would research the infiniti g35x as a higher class competitor (with a higher price by a few grand).

Thanks everyone...

VC

[ryehigh17]

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Take a moment and show your appreciation.

Make our thread #1.

Vote here:

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Thanks for the reminder - just voted for this thread. Thank you Monsieurmaggot!

[njchan]

I guess this means you can't import Land Rovers?

I've got my eyes set on the LR3 :)

[69Stang]

Anyone willing to answer this or should I start calling DMV offices in each potential state with the truck I want?

What about Ohio or Michigan?

NY and OH are tax exempt.

Florida you have to pay tax.

[yyz2hkg]

Hey Guys,

Just doing some research here, but has anyone imported a g35 from the states. The savings are there, but there are the usual questions in regards to Warranty and DRLs. If anyone out there has successfully imported an infiniti from the states (or if anyone wants to provide some input) it would be greatly appreciated.

Also I know there is duty on the car as well, but I still think I can get about 7-8 grand savings.

I am currently waiting for more information and reviews on the subaru legacy 3.0 R, so I thought I would research the infiniti g35x as a higher class competitor (with a higher price by a few grand).

Thanks everyone...

VC


Go back about 20 pages or more (not sure), IIRC, there was some discussion regarding Infinitis



I guess this means you can't import Land Rovers?

I've got my eyes set on the LR3 :)

I don't think that's even on the admissable list to import from the U.S.

Also, not sure if anyone has posted this before, but on the edmunds site, there's a forum on how to import.

LINKY (http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.ef18c13/0)

[inspire]

Hey Guys,

Just doing some research here, but has anyone imported a g35 from the states. The savings are there, but there are the usual questions in regards to Warranty and DRLs. If anyone out there has successfully imported an infiniti from the states (or if anyone wants to provide some input) it would be greatly appreciated.
Importing an Infiniti is a piece of cake -- I called a dealer in Michigan (about 45 min from my house in Windsor, including average border traffic) and they confirmed they sell to Canadians (this was in December 2006 when I bought my wife's Acura TSX instead).

Read the posts in this thread on how to import ... it's easier when the dealership has sold to Canadians before ... but be sure to know what paperwork needs to be done / when it needs to be done so that the process is made so much easier!

I wouldn't be worried about not having DRLs from the factory -- when you go to Canadian Tire for your RIV inspection, they can do it for $100. That's what I did since it'll be guaranteed to pass inspection if they do all the mods.

Now that the 3rd gen G has been out a few months, the ability to get a deal will be that much easier. I can see why you'd want to buy now -- sales are hurting at Infiniti plus our dollar is around US$0.96 ... I doubt it will reach parity in the near future, as some economists have predicted (at least, in my quasi-educated approximation). :cheesygri

PM me if you want to know what dealership I was calling ...

[tzcnd]

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Make our thread #1.

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Thanks for the reminder. I just voted for the thread that saved me $10000.

Thanks
tzcnd

[tzcnd]

Van bortel do not have any 07 2.5i limited left. They quoted me the 08 2.5 Limited for $25,502 US and Westherr will only beat that by $100. Is this a good price?

Homework, homework and more homework.

As someone stated earlier http://www.edmunds.com is a great help and it's free (unlike consumer reports).

Edmunds let you price out a car with the options you want and calculates the price including any incentives/rebates. It also shows you what other people paid for that car in that configuration.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Thanks for the kinds words and votes everyone.

This thread is quickly becoming the most popular thread on RFD. It's surely the one that can save you the most.

I'm getting emails from people telling me that thanks to this thread on RFDs, some have saved upwards of $30,000 on their new car purchase.

Without this thread, they would never had been able to "upgrade" to a higher-end vehicle for the same money as a base model in Canada. Others have purchased the base model and pocketed thousands.

Please make sure you vote to make this thread #1:

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=464535

[KillaB]

NY and OH are tax exempt.

Florida you have to pay tax.

Thanks a bunch, lets keep this list going.

A friend from work is headed for Kentucky and says the dealer is not going to be charging state tax.

Anyone know if Maryland is exempt? I'm trying to figure out why DARCARS say they need to charge tax. NC anyone? it seems what I want exists in the south eastern states.

[patrickmychan]

Thanks a bunch, lets keep this list going.

A friend from work is headed for Kentucky and says the dealer is not going to be charging state tax.

Anyone know if Maryland is exempt? I'm trying to figure out why DARCARS say they need to charge tax. NC anyone? it seems what I want exists in the south eastern states.

I bought my car in NC. I can confirm that there were no state taxes

[RRKnight]

I just picked up a 2008 2.5i Limited with extra option

VDS
Auto Dimming Mirror
extra security alarm system ( pressure sensor)
Slide out middle arm rest
Cargo Net

$25,560 at West Herr.

Hope that's a good deal.

Now I have to sell my wife's 1995 Civic.

[Prof]

I just picked up a 2008 2.5i Limited with extra option

VDS
Auto Dimming Mirror
extra security alarm system ( pressure sensor)
Slide out middle arm rest
Cargo Net

$25,560 at West Herr.

Hope that's a good deal.

Now I have to sell my wife's 1995 Civic.

Considering almost exactly the same car (along side a Camry). Do you find the arm rest extension helps much? What colour did you get?

[ggweci]

I just picked up a 2008 2.5i Limited with extra option

VDS
Auto Dimming Mirror
extra security alarm system ( pressure sensor)
Slide out middle arm rest
Cargo Net

$25,560 at West Herr.

Hope that's a good deal.

Now I have to sell my wife's 1995 Civic.

Congrats. Is that price the US$ one, or final CDN$ price?

[RRKnight]

Considering almost exactly the same car (along side a Camry). Do you find the arm rest extension helps much? What colour did you get?

Yes the arm rest extension helps, because it's going to be my wife's car and she's short.:D

We got the Diamond Grey (not two tone)

[RRKnight]

Congrats. Is that price the US$ one, or final CDN$ price?

Price is in US $25,560.00, this should run me around $30K-$31K CAD after conversion and taxes.
Base on my rate $.95 on a dollar I'm getting.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I just picked up a 2008 2.5i Limited with extra option

VDS
Auto Dimming Mirror
extra security alarm system ( pressure sensor)
Slide out middle arm rest
Cargo Net

$25,560 at West Herr.

Hope that's a good deal.

Now I have to sell my wife's 1995 Civic.

The 2008 2.5i Limited with VDC has an invoice of $25,895US Add $645 for PDI (PDI is $1500 in Canada!) and it totals $26,540. Add about $200 in extras brings you to about $26740. Subtract the $1000 rebate brings you to $25740US.

Personally, I think you could have squeezed out a few more hundred but overall, you got an outstanding deal.

Price that in Canada and you'd be paying at least $15,000 more.

[Prof]

Yes the arm rest extension helps, because it's going to be my wife's car and she's short.:D

We got the Diamond Grey (not two tone)

Oops. I was thinking sedan while you bought Outback. My bad. We're thinking the new Deep Bronze.

[RRKnight]

The 2008 2.5i Limited with VDC has an invoice of $25,895US Add $645 for PDI (PDI is $1500 in Canada!) and it totals $26,540. Add about $200 in extras brings you to about $26740. Subtract the $1000 rebate brings you to $25740US.

Personally, I think you could have squeezed out a few more hundred but overall, you got an outstanding deal.

Price that in Canada and you'd be paying at least $15,000 more.

Yes, I could of squeezed more but so many Canadians like me are going over there to purchase the outback. They know if I don't take it, someone in Canada will. Also with savings like $15K over Canadian version outback, few hundreds won't hurt me.

[BoxsterS]

Hey Guys,

Just doing some research here, but has anyone imported a g35 from the states. The savings are there, but there are the usual questions in regards to Warranty and DRLs. If anyone out there has successfully imported an infiniti from the states (or if anyone wants to provide some input) it would be greatly appreciated.

Also I know there is duty on the car as well, but I still think I can get about 7-8 grand savings.

I am currently waiting for more information and reviews on the subaru legacy 3.0 R, so I thought I would research the infiniti g35x as a higher class competitor (with a higher price by a few grand).

Thanks everyone...

VC

I'm just wondering how you're realizing those savings? Given a G35 goes for about $32000 USD which is about $33400 CDN. Add 6% import duty and the price becomes $35400. The CDN MSRP is about $40000 so you're saving roughly about $5000.

Also, will Infiniti honor the warranty in Canada?

[Xeno15]

Anyone know if Mazda will recognize the warranty on a car purchased in the U.S. and brought into Canada? Anyone import a Mazda3 into Canada?

-thanks

[shopper-X]

Anyone know if Mazda will recognize the warranty on a car purchased in the U.S. and brought into Canada? Anyone import a Mazda3 into Canada?

-thanks

Here is the chat log I had using the Mazda USA online chat:

AGENT:"Thank you for connecting with Mazda’s Personal Shopping Assistant. This is [AGENT], how may I be of assistance to you today?"
ME: "Hi [AGENT]"
AGENT:"Hello!"
ME: "I am looking to buy my a USED Mazda3 hatchback and driving it in Canada. Will the warranty be vaild in Canada?"
AGENT:"Yes, the warranty is valid in Canada."
ME: "Is there any restrictions on the warranty?"
AGENT:"There shouldn't be that I'm aware of."
ME: "Is this the case for NEW purchases also?"
AGENT:"If the Mazda dealers in Canada don't have the U.S. spec part in inventory, the only problem that may arise is the delay in ordering it from the U.S."
ME: "Is the warranty valid on NEW car purchases also?"
AGENT:"Well, in order to purchase a new vehicle here in the U.S. you will need to be a resident of the U.S. If you export it to Canada later or drive it in Canada, the warranty is still valid."
ME: "So I could not buy a new Mazda for export?"
AGENT:"Our dealers are restricted to only sell our vehicles to U.S. residents only."
ME: "okay. Would a demo be concidered new or used?"
AGENT:"You will need to check with the dealer, but some demo vehicles are sold as new."
ME: "How is a demo new if it's been driven?"
AGENT:"It depends on the mileage. Again, it would be best to check with the dealer as to how they are selling it."
AGENT:"Please keep in mind that dealerships are independently owned and operated and are at liberty to set their own pricing."
ME: "Thank you for your time in answering my questions."
AGENT:"You're welcome! Is there anything else I can assist you with?"


Same as Toyota's, you'll need to find a dealer to sell to you new.

[hfx_chris]

I can definitely see the advantages of buying an expensive car in the US, where the savings could be significant. But what about small cars? I'm looking at buying a Toyota Yaris, and after crunching all of the numbers and taking everything into account (including duty because it's non-NAFTA, importation fee, Canadian Government $1000 energy rebate, GST/PST, etc etc) I would only be saving about $3,000 buying from the US. Not sure if the three thousand is really worth the time, effort and headache. Hell, I may even be able to use the whole buying-from-the-US-for-cheaper thing as leverage to get a local Toyota dealership to lower their price a bit.

I guess this deal really only is hot for expensive cars. It has really opened my eyes though to the ridiculous price differences between the Canadian and US markets. After much research, I can get a fully loaded Toyota Matrix in the US for cheaper than a fully loaded Toyota Yaris in Canada. Pretty much double the car too. Hmm.. maybe I should be looking into a Matrix from the US instead!? No duty either, it's assembled in North America!

[addicted2it]

I can definitely see the advantages of buying an expensive car in the US, where the savings could be significant. But what about small cars? I'm looking at buying a Toyota Yaris, and after crunching all of the numbers and taking everything into account (including duty because it's non-NAFTA, importation fee, Canadian Government $1000 energy rebate, GST/PST, etc etc) I would only be saving about $3,000 buying from the US. Not sure if the three thousand is really worth the time, effort and headache. Hell, I may even be able to use the whole buying-from-the-US-for-cheaper thing as leverage to get a local Toyota dealership to lower their price a bit.

I guess this deal really only is hot for expensive cars. It has really opened my eyes though to the ridiculous price differences between the Canadian and US markets. After much research, I can get a fully loaded Toyota Matrix in the US for cheaper than a fully loaded Toyota Yaris in Canada. Pretty much double the car too. Hmm.. maybe I should be looking into a Matrix from the US instead!? No duty either, it's assembled in North America!

I am in the same boat as you..Could you plz PM me the numbers( US vs CAD for these models) you are getting after your research for the Yaris/Matrix.

[hfx_chris]

The numbers I got right off the Toyota US and Canadian websites.

3 door Yaris RS model in Canada is quoted on the website at $18,861.96, in the US the same one (not called the RS) is $14,599 (in Canadian dollars). These prices are for the top-of-the-line packages (in Canada the RS B package, in the US it's called the D package).
2007 Matrix XR in Canada is quoted at $21,706, in the US it's $19,512. Again, this is for the top of the line package (the B package in Canada, and the C package in the US)
Add freight and delivery, plus a couple of Canadian federal bonuses like their tire levy and excise tax, and a Canadian Yaris comes in at 20,066, Matrix at 22,960, US Yaris at 17,428, Matrix at 23,029. Add tax to that.
Canadian Yaris is eligible for the federal government's $1000 green rebate. US Yaris is manufactured in Japan, so there's a 6.1% duty payable on it, which works out to about $920 (you don't have to pay duty on the Matrix in the US), plus ~$200 import fee.

My totals after taxes (14% here in Nova Scotia) were: $21,376 for Yaris in Canada, vs. $18,555 for Yaris in US. $25,675 for Matrix in Canada, vs. $23,239 for Matrix in US.

This of course is for the model I'm looking at, if you didn't want the RS model Yaris, or didn't want the packages I'm looking at it would be cheaper. And obviously this is using the MSRP prices found on the websites, not after bartering with a sales rep, which could possibly beat the price down further.
This of course also assumes my figures and calculations are correct -- I don't claim to be an expert using Excel...

[addicted2it]

The numbers I got right off the Toyota US and Canadian websites.

3 door Yaris RS model in Canada is quoted on the website at $18,861.96, in the US the same one (not called the RS) is $14,599 (in Canadian dollars). These prices are for the top-of-the-line packages (in Canada the RS B package, in the US it's called the D package).
2007 Matrix XR in Canada is quoted at $21,706, in the US it's $19,512. Again, this is for the top of the line package (the B package in Canada, and the C package in the US)
Add freight and delivery, plus a couple of Canadian federal bonuses like their tire levy and excise tax, and a Canadian Yaris comes in at 20,066, Matrix at 22,960, US Yaris at 17,428, Matrix at 23,029. Add tax to that.
Canadian Yaris is eligible for the federal government's $1000 green rebate. US Yaris is manufactured in Japan, so there's a 6.1% duty payable on it, which works out to about $920 (you don't have to pay duty on the Matrix in the US), plus ~$200 import fee.

My totals after taxes (14% here in Nova Scotia) were: $21,376 for Yaris in Canada, vs. $18,555 for Yaris in US. $25,675 for Matrix in Canada, vs. $23,239 for Matrix in US.

This of course is for the model I'm looking at, if you didn't want the RS model Yaris, or didn't want the packages I'm looking at it would be cheaper. And obviously this is using the MSRP prices found on the websites, not after bartering with a sales rep, which could possibly beat the price down further.
This of course also assumes my figures and calculations are correct -- I don't claim to be an expert using Excel...

Thnx a lot chris...this will be my very first car and since I do not have any family here, am relying on any knowledge I can gain from fellow Rfders before I make the first big purchase.

[hfx_chris]

Hey, my first car too!
The Matrix is a nice car I'll admit, but it's really getting away from what I had initially wanted: a small car. I need something that's easy to drive in the city, easy to parallel park, easy to get into tight parking spaces, and the Yaris fits the bill. The Matrix, while I nice car and very tempting at the US price, is fun to think about but not really what I had wanted. So I'll probably end up going for a Yaris anyway. Whether or not i buy in the US I don't know, if I can get a local dealer to beat the price down a bit I might just buy here. Not sure if the hassle is worth a couple of thousand dollars. Although a couple thousand is a couple thousand :D

Anyway, don't rely on my numbers... i'm still not 100% sure I know what I'm doing!


Edit: Then again, it also might be a good idea to wait until the 2008 Yaris comes out, and see if you can strike a deal on a 2007.

[Luckster]

Hey, my first car too!
The Matrix is a nice car I'll admit, but it's really getting away from what I had initially wanted: a small car. I need something that's easy to drive in the city, easy to parallel park, easy to get into tight parking spaces, and the Yaris fits the bill. The Matrix, while I nice car and very tempting at the US price, is fun to think about but not really what I had wanted. So I'll probably end up going for a Yaris anyway. Whether or not i buy in the US I don't know, if I can get a local dealer to beat the price down a bit I might just buy here. Not sure if the hassle is worth a couple of thousand dollars. Although a couple thousand is a couple thousand :D

Anyway, don't rely on my numbers... i'm still not 100% sure I know what I'm doing!


Edit: Then again, it also might be a good idea to wait until the 2008 Yaris comes out, and see if you can strike a deal on a 2007.

If you're set on a small car, why don't you look at the toyota Scion brand, the new Xd looks pretty cool and you will have a unique car in Canada. The warranty on Scion are valid in Canada too.

[KillaB]

Edit: Then again, it also might be a good idea to wait until the 2008 Yaris comes out, and see if you can strike a deal on a 2007.

Strike a deal in Canada or the US?

IMHO, you should never go by MSRP numbers. US dealers almost always take cash off the top (factory rebates, etc.) where a Canadian dealer will not budge in price. Also, freight is only $645US and here we are dinged with PDI.

If it was me personnally, I'd go for the Matrix, only because you're stating it's such a good deal. If you end up really liking it, keep it, otherwise sell it (possibly with a profit) then go back and buy your Yaris.

***The views and opinions expressed in this post are strictly those of the author. The contents of this post have not been reviewed or approved by RFD*** :lol:

[hfx_chris]

I'll admit, the Scion xD is a nice looking car, but there's something I just don't like about it. Plus I could never test drive one, so I'd be buying it blind.

Not to mention there's almost no information about it out there yet..

This is a nice picture though..
http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/decobocobo/imgs/d/1/d124b8d8.jpg


Edit: Strike a deal in Canada. Good point on selling off the Matrix if I end up not liking it... but again, it goes against what I wanted right from the start: small. This is going to take some serious head-pounding to think it over.

[WildPegasus]

I guess this deal really only is hot for expensive cars.

Not really. Take a look at a Hyundai Sonata. Here they list starting at over $23K CDN. You can get a better equipped entry level model in the US for ~$15K US. Assuming you can get the Canadian price knocked down by a thousand, you're still looking at saving around $7k.

[feminazi]

The Matrix is not a large car by any stretch of the imagination! It is pretty well reviewed as far as I know, and it is made in Cambridge, Ontario (pretty sure)!!

It has a peppy 175 hp engine as well, doesn't it?

I am just not getting how you think the Matrix is a big car!! :)

I went from a Sentra to an Accord and I really miss having a small car sometimes but obviously the Accord is a far superior car in almost every single way . . .

The picture of the Scion rubs me the wrong way as well because to me it looks like a Mazda with some aesthetic issues to deal with!! :)

[hfx_chris]

I consider the Matrix a big car, compared to a 3-door Yaris hatchback, which is really the size I'm looking at.
The more I look at the Scion xD, the more I like it, but the more I wonder if any local Toyota dealerships will work on it.. going to have to do some inquiring.

[darock_sayz]

Does anyone know if the Form 1 needs to be filled out before hand or can it be done at Canada Customs. Also, the crossing I am going to is open 24 hours (pacific truck/vancouver)...is there a specfic time to bring across vehicles ?

Thanks in advance!

[Luckster]

Does anyone know if the Form 1 needs to be filled out before hand or can it be done at Canada Customs. Also, the crossing I am going to is open 24 hours (pacific truck/vancouver)...is there a specfic time to bring across vehicles ?

Thanks in advance!

Canada Custom will fill out form 1 when you get there. You can only cross between 8am and 3:30pm when you are exporting a car from the US at that crossing.

[flaming homer]

Canada Custom will fill out form 1 when you get there. You can only cross between 8am and 3:30pm when you are exporting a car from the US at that crossing.Yeah, as I've mentioned earlier, Canada Customs will take your money 24x7x365, but it's US Customs in which you need the "export stamp" that has regular business hours and only exists in certain crossings

[DarkCat]

I'm just wondering how you're realizing those savings? Given a G35 goes for about $32000 USD which is about $33400 CDN. Add 6% import duty and the price becomes $35400. The CDN MSRP is about $40000 so you're saving roughly about $5000.

I think the math would be as follows (but feel free to correct me):

1) CDN MSRP less US MSRP = $40,000 - $33,000 = $7,000

2) $7000 escapes sales (GST/PST) taxation: $7k @ 14% = $1000 approx

3) Duty & taxes are exempt from sales tax (my assumption)

4) PDI is much higher here in Canada.
Car I am looking at has a PDI of $2025, whereas in the US, it is about $715.
And this is (sales) taxable. Asssuming this is similiar with this car.

5) $7000 (diff) + 1000 (tax) - 2000 (duty) + [$1300 * 1.14](PDI)
= 7 + 1 - 2 + 1.5 = $7500

Some rounding issues there, and some assumptions, but you get the idea...

[shan]

May I ask why do the majority of RFD'ers in this thread want a Subaru??

[torontolove]

Are you sure about the price:


This is buffalo:


Here's the XR 2WD you've configured
Model MSRP:* $17,820.00
XR 2WD 4-Speed Automatic
Delivery, Handling and Processing Fee:* $660.00
Options: $1,490.00
4-wheel Anti-lock Brake System (ABS) with Electronic Brake-force Distribution (EBD) All-Weather Guard Package-windshield molding,
heavy-duty heater and rear-seat heater ducts AM/FM 6-disc in-dash CD changer with six speakers 50 State Emissions Extra Value
Package #2-includes 16-in. alloy wheels with P205/55R16 tires, power tilt/slide moonroof with sunshade [7], cruise control, integrated
front fog lamps, and color-keyed front and rear underbody spoilers
Color: $0.00
Accessories: $0.00
Total MSRP:* $19,970.00
--------------------------------

This is Ontario:

FINANCE/CASH

VEHICLE PRICE

MSRP
$24,985.00

SUBTOTAL for Finance/Cash
$24,985.00


Administration Fee

Included

Documentation Charge
N/C

Freight and Delivery
$1,140.00

Lien Registration Fee
Not Applicable

Federal Excise Tax - Air Conditioning
$100.00

Tax For Fuel Conservation
$75.00

SUBTOTAL for Finance/Cash
$26,300.00


Trade-In Value*

$0.00

SUBTOTAL for Finance/Cash
$26,300.00


GST (6.0%)

$1,578.00

PST (8.0%)
$2,104.00

TOTAL for Finance/Cash
$29,982.00

==============

It means in Buffalo: about 20,000US$ before tax
In Ontario: about 30,000CAN$ after tax
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The numbers I got right off the Toyota US and Canadian websites.

3 door Yaris RS model in Canada is quoted on the website at $18,861.96, in the US the same one (not called the RS) is $14,599 (in Canadian dollars). These prices are for the top-of-the-line packages (in Canada the RS B package, in the US it's called the D package).
2007 Matrix XR in Canada is quoted at $21,706, in the US it's $19,512. Again, this is for the top of the line package (the B package in Canada, and the C package in the US)
Add freight and delivery, plus a couple of Canadian federal bonuses like their tire levy and excise tax, and a Canadian Yaris comes in at 20,066, Matrix at 22,960, US Yaris at 17,428, Matrix at 23,029. Add tax to that.
Canadian Yaris is eligible for the federal government's $1000 green rebate. US Yaris is manufactured in Japan, so there's a 6.1% duty payable on it, which works out to about $920 (you don't have to pay duty on the Matrix in the US), plus ~$200 import fee.

My totals after taxes (14% here in Nova Scotia) were: $21,376 for Yaris in Canada, vs. $18,555 for Yaris in US. $25,675 for Matrix in Canada, vs. $23,239 for Matrix in US.

This of course is for the model I'm looking at, if you didn't want the RS model Yaris, or didn't want the packages I'm looking at it would be cheaper. And obviously this is using the MSRP prices found on the websites, not after bartering with a sales rep, which could possibly beat the price down further.
This of course also assumes my figures and calculations are correct -- I don't claim to be an expert using Excel...

[tzcnd]

I can definitely see the advantages of buying an expensive car in the US, where the savings could be significant. But what about small cars? I'm looking at buying a Toyota Yaris, and after crunching all of the numbers and taking everything into account (including duty because it's non-NAFTA, importation fee, Canadian Government $1000 energy rebate, GST/PST, etc etc) I would only be saving about $3,000 buying from the US. Not sure if the three thousand is really worth the time, effort and headache. Hell, I may even be able to use the whole buying-from-the-US-for-cheaper thing as leverage to get a local Toyota dealership to lower their price a bit.

I guess this deal really only is hot for expensive cars. It has really opened my eyes though to the ridiculous price differences between the Canadian and US markets. After much research, I can get a fully loaded Toyota Matrix in the US for cheaper than a fully loaded Toyota Yaris in Canada. Pretty much double the car too. Hmm.. maybe I should be looking into a Matrix from the US instead!? No duty either, it's assembled in North America!


Only saving $3000. You have got to be kidding me. I think that people are getting too spoiled here. A lot of people on RFD get excited because a store like No Frills has Coke on sale for 30 cents off a bottle and this kind of thread gets 100s of postings from people who are excited about 30 cents. $3000 is a lot of money (at least to me it is) and I would rather have it in my pocket than the pocket of some big corporation.

If you could invest 10 hours of time, effort and headache to save $3000 then that investment is saving you $300/hour. Do you make $300/hour at your job. ? I don't. Even if you invest 30 hours of time the your saving $100/hour. Still worth it in my opinion.

You've obviously have never been into a Canadian Toyota dealership if you think that the buy in the U.S. thing will give you leverage. If you use that they might throw in a touch paint to seal the deal.

When I was looking for my Sienna last year I went into a certain Toronto Toyota dealership and the best they could give me was $130 off the sticker price. You read that correctly $130. I just laughed and walked out went to the U.S. bought my Sienna and pocketed $10000.

[RRKnight]

May I ask why do the majority of RFD'ers in this thread want a Subaru??

It's easier to import and it has the biggest savings. The reason we went for the outback is because we needed a family car with safety, AWD, VDC and outdoor adventure capability. We test drove a 2008 Camry and Altima. Both are great cars, but didn't have most of the options we are looking for.

[yyz2hkg]

May I ask why do the majority of RFD'ers in this thread want a Subaru??

It's easier to import and it has the biggest savings. The reason we went for the outback is because we needed a family car with safety, AWD, VDC and outdoor adventure capability. We test drove a 2008 Camry and Altima. Both are great cars, but didn't have most of the options we are looking for.

+1 Symmetrical AWD. Saving of 5 figures and warranty that is recognized.

[Comatose]

Anyone have any luck expediting the addition of 2008 / new models to RIV's admissible list? Like who to call (e.g. manufacturer), and what information to ask for to pass along to RIV?

[yyz2hkg]

Anyone have any luck expediting the addition of 2008 / new models to RIV's admissible list? Like who to call (e.g. manufacturer), and what information to ask for to pass along to RIV?

If you're looking for a vehicle to be on the list of admissable vehicles, i.e 08 model, that depends on the manufacturer, you're not able to expedite the process. The list is updated every so often, but the RIV may know what vehicle is admissable before the list/website is even updated. I did that waiting for an 07 model last year, so I called them and the manufacturer and was told the vehicle was on the list, but it was just a matter of them updating the website. The manufacturer advised they'd email once they'd know, but I justed checked the RIV site every so often.

[alanbrenton]

Yes indeed it is: and here's a part related to this thread:

Merchants across the border don't mind the extra business.

The above article just appeared on National Post today. How much savings do we really get from purchasing a used or a brand new car from a US Dealer like Superior Auto. It appears that the cars listed on its inventory doesn't look at all cheap.

http://www.sascars.com/index.asp

Is depreciation much faster in a bigger car market like the US? I find it absurd for most used cars sold at Canadian dealerships when they sell for just a few thousand less (2 year old civic selling for just $1,000-2,000 off the current model's price) than MSRP.

How is dealer pricing for used cars across the border?

Also, are there car brokers, like Superior Auto, that will not charge an arm and a leg in fees? I wouldn't mind going through a broker to avoid the hassles especially if the broker will only be taking in $1000-3000 at the most.

[ferkel]

I am regretting now after buying new Camry XLE. Already have few problems and not even done 1k miles. The moonroof is malfunctioning, airbag warning sign is lit, car pulls to right.>:( My 10+ yrs. old Intrepid still drives, handles better than it, and have never broken down ever.

Yep.. sounds about right.. .not sure why Toyota is getting such attention.. their quality control is worse than Hyundais right now

[Vincent_Chander]

I'm just wondering how you're realizing those savings? Given a G35 goes for about $32000 USD which is about $33400 CDN. Add 6% import duty and the price becomes $35400. The CDN MSRP is about $40000 so you're saving roughly about $5000.

Also, will Infiniti honor the warranty in Canada?


I have spoken with a CAD dealer and a US dealer. The car in question is a 2007 g35x with premium package and wood trim. In canada the MSRP is 48,630 (Best price I was quoted is 47,500). In usa the msrp is 37,265 (best price I have received so far is 36000). The conversion of 1.05 us/cad $ ( 37,800) add duties (6.2%) and you get a cad converted price of 40,143.6. Add in taxes and you save about 7grand.

Also, according to infiniti.com, the warranties in the US are covered in Canada. Go read them, it exactly specifies that the warranty is good in canada.

Now you gotta take into account other factors like travel costs and time spent. Depending on individual preferences etc, you have decide if that amount of savings is worth all that time and effort. Personally, I believe my time is worth more than 100$ an hour. But the savings are there for the people who want them (not saying I wouldn't buy at this price).

[jhardy]

Personally, I believe my time is worth more than 100$ an hour. ...
:eek:

[Slant]

"Just my view of things but, every dollar counts to me so if I can save more than 1G that still may be worth whatever hassle to import.

Personally, I believe my time is worth more than 100$ an hour.

I guess VC had moved up quite a bit in the world in the past year...

[crasher]

I guess VC had moved up quite a bit in the world in the past year...

Nice catch slant, I was going to ask VC if I can help him only for half that amount.;)

[Vincent_Chander]

I guess VC had moved up quite a bit in the world in the past year...

I guess I didn't explain myself very clearly. If it took me 5 hours to go south and buy a car and save a G, then it is worth it. If it took me 20 hours to go and get the car and save 2 Gs then it isn't worth it.

Like I said it is up to each individual to decide. Right now, my life is so busy that I rarely get down time (Full time work, full time student). Hence, why I feel my free hours are worth at least $100 to me.

Also by the way, I have been in the hunt for a long time so I know I have spent alot of time and energy.

I do my due diligence.

Anyways, we are here to share input and save money...Hopefully my posts have helped some people.

Cheers.

[soarer2k]

Hi,maybe this is a very dumb question, but all new 07/08 Toyota RAV 4 from the state would have already got DRL installed. How about the speedmeter and odometer? Do I have to modify them to pass the inspection? Thank you

[hfx_chris]

Good question... cars built for the US market would have miles on the speedometer, but they also have kilometers as well, even though they're printed smaller than the miles (just like in Canada, only with miles being the smaller numbers). The odometer would be in miles that's for sure... I think the RIV website just says they put a sticker on it? What kind of solution is that... does the sticker have a formula on it for converting miles to kilometers or something? :P


Anyway, after some serious thinking, the Yaris is looking less and less appealing.. I'm actually leaning closer and closer to a Matrix right now.
Also, that Scion xD is growing on me more and more, I love the look of the outside, and the inside is quite nice as well. The only drawback would be if the local Toyota dealerships here in Canada are unable to work on the Scions, which aren't available in Canada. I sure would love to own a car that very few people here would have ever seen before, or even know what they are!

[640m]

Hi,maybe this is a very dumb question, but all new 07/08 Toyota RAV 4 from the state would have already got DRL installed. How about the speedmeter and odometer? Do I have to modify them to pass the inspection? Thank you

I believe all Rav4s are currently built in Japan until the Woodstock, Canada plant is up and running. That means you would have to pay duty.

[kellan165]

Can anyone tell me if you pay the new "green levy" on SUV's at the Canadian border or do you pay it when you register the vehicle? I presume that I will get charged for this as I believe it applies to importers. I am importing a 2008 Nissan SUV in two weeks from Washington.

Thanks in advance!

[hfx_chris]

Can anyone tell me if you pay the new "green levy" on SUV's at the Canadian border or do you pay it when you register the vehicle? I presume that I will get charged for this as I believe it applies to importers. I am importing a Nissan SUV in two weeks from Washington.

Thanks in advance!
Hmm.. if they'll charge the levy when you bring it through the border...
...I wonder if I can get the $1000 rebate applied if I bring something like a Yaris back from the states...

[picturethismister]

Good question... cars built for the US market would have miles on the speedometer, but they also have kilometers as well, even though they're printed smaller than the miles (just like in Canada, only with miles being the smaller numbers). The odometer would be in miles that's for sure... I think the RIV website just says they put a sticker on it? What kind of solution is that... does the sticker have a formula on it for converting miles to kilometers or something? :P


Anyway, after some serious thinking, the Yaris is looking less and less appealing.. I'm actually leaning closer and closer to a Matrix right now.
Also, that Scion xD is growing on me more and more, I love the look of the outside, and the inside is quite nice as well. The only drawback would be if the local Toyota dealerships here in Canada are unable to work on the Scions, which aren't available in Canada. I sure would love to own a car that very few people here would have ever seen before, or even know what they are!

Hey Chris...I was also leaning towards a matrix...I had a quick question for you...You said this will be your first car, same here...Do you know how we can handle insurance....I am not on any insurance policy right now and dont know how to proceed if I decide to make my first purchase across the border...completely lost:| :confused:

[scouzi]

I have spoken with a CAD dealer and a US dealer. The car in question is a 2007 g35x with premium package and wood trim. In canada the MSRP is 48,630 (Best price I was quoted is 47,500). In usa the msrp is 37,265 (best price I have received so far is 36000). The conversion of 1.05 us/cad $ ( 37,800) add duties (6.2%) and you get a cad converted price of 40,143.6. Add in taxes and you save about 7grand.

Also, according to infiniti.com, the warranties in the US are covered in Canada. Go read them, it exactly specifies that the warranty is good in canada.

Now you gotta take into account other factors like travel costs and time spent. Depending on individual preferences etc, you have decide if that amount of savings is worth all that time and effort. Personally, I believe my time is worth more than 100$ an hour. But the savings are there for the people who want them (not saying I wouldn't buy at this price).


I believe Infiniti is the same as Nissan. The warranty is void if the car was not registered for a minimum of 6 months in the US.

[sajkaj]

Hi, guys

I need some help from u guys, I'am in Ottawa and I'am planing to buy a SUV can somebody help me which SUV should I buy and from where if any good dealer u guys had experience with them , Yes I'am still on process to read all threads but advance thanks for your early response.

Thanks guys

[sajkaj]

Hi, guys

I need some help from u guys, I'am in Ottawa and I'am planing to buy a SUV can somebody help me which SUV should I buy and from where if any good dealer u guys had experience with them , Yes I'am still on process to read all threads but advance thanks for your early response.

Thanks guys

I'am still not sure shuld I go for new one or used .????????????????

[chadw01]

I'am still not sure shuld I go for new one or used .????????????????

SUV? Get a new Subaru Tribeca down south.. everyone else seems to be getting one around here.

[sajkaj]

SUV? Get a new Subaru Tribeca down south.. everyone else seems to be getting one around here.


Should I go for the new one or used, does it worth to buy used.???????????

[michelb]

I believe Infiniti is the same as Nissan. The warranty is void if the car was not registered for a minimum of 6 months in the US.

I would double check with Infinity but I do not believe that this is correct; I believe that the 1st owner can import into Canada immediately if it has never been registered OR it has to be at least 6 months old if it's not the original owner (i.e. a CND used car dealer can't buy a new one in the US and then resell used in Canada within the first six months).

[crasher]

After having not so satisfying experience with my Camry XLE. I gave it to my uncle on my purchase cost, he is happy, as he saved a tonne, without any effort. I happy to get rid of it.
I am now thinking of getting an Camry hybrid. Read nothing but praise for that car. Called ecocanada, no discount for US bought cars, but still lot cheaper in state. Their 50 anniversary edition is loaded, probably thats why sold my XLE;)

[develop]

Can anyone tell me if you pay the new "green levy" on SUV's at the Canadian border or do you pay it when you register the vehicle? I presume that I will get charged for this as I believe it applies to importers. I am importing a 2008 Nissan SUV in two weeks from Washington.

Thanks in advance!

I believe you will be charged at the Canadian border.Since the lady was asking me how many cylinders for my 4Runner when she was calculating how much I should pay, she told me I had to pay the green fee if I got a V8 4Runner. Don't know how much the damage for that though.

[michelb]

After having not so satisfying experience with my Camry XLE. I gave it to my uncle on my purchase cost, he is happy, as he saved a tonne, without any effort. I happy to get rid of it.
I am now thinking of getting an Camry hybrid. Read nothing but praise for that car. Called ecocanada, no discount for US bought cars, but still lot cheaper in state. Their 50 anniversary edition is loaded, probably thats why sold my XLE;)

I'm just curious (I really don't know much about the rebate) - who is EcoCanada? I thought the hybrid rebate in most provinces was a credit on the PST paid which shouldn't make any difference if the car is from Canada or the US.

Does anyone know if the hybrid rebate is only on new cars or is it on used cars as well?

-- update --

In Ontario, one place I've looked says new cars only (http://www.hybridexperience.ca/Pages/Ontario%20Hybrid%20Tax%20Rebate.pdf), another place says new or used (http://www.hybridexperience.ca/Pages/Ontario%20Hybrid%20Tax%20Rebate%20Form.pdf) ...

[crasher]

I'm just curious (I really don't know much about the remate) - who is EcoCanada? I thought the hybrid rebate in most provinces was a credit on the PST paid which shouldn't make any difference if the car is from Canada or the US.

Does anyone know if the hybrid rebate is only on new cars or is it on used cars as well?

-- update --

In Ontario, one place I've looked says new cars only (http://www.hybridexperience.ca/Pages/Ontario%20Hybrid%20Tax%20Rebate.pdf), another place says new or used (http://www.hybridexperience.ca/Pages/Ontario%20Hybrid%20Tax%20Rebate%20Form.pdf) ...

These (http://www.tc.gc.ca/programs/environment/ecotransport/ecoauto.htm#2007vehicleeligibility) are the vehicles eligible for eco rebate. It is a federal program, and it clearly say on their website that it is only eligible for canadian purchased vehicle, US vehicles are not eligible. Dont know if there is also a provincial program to get rebate in PST.
Edit: Checked the provincial website (http://www.rev.gov.on.ca/english/guides/rst/702.html) looks like Hybrid is eligible for PST rebate for the max of $2000. Makes hybrid purchase even better.

[CatDog]

anyone else have any success stories?

better yet, horror stories?

[danno567]

I am looking in Montana and Seattle for a Sienna Mini Van. I have seen some great prices, over 10k cheaper. I would like to hear from anyone who purchased a Toyota south of the border to let me know how it went and if they would recommend their dealer they went through. I am trying to find one who is Canadian Friendly.

Also, does anyone know the cost approx of shipping the car over to save the flight?

-Thanks!

Dan

[Aaargh]

Found a Sienna in the US, but the dealership wants sales tax and for me to license it. I've got no problem with the tax as I still save a bundle, but are there any consequences to licensing it in the States and then trying to import it into Canada?

[whampoa]

but are there any consequences to licensing it in the States and then trying to import it into Canada?

Not really, you just need to be a US resident, have a valid US driving license and maybe a social security card.

On top of that, you also have to pay all the necessary taxes in the US and Canada, if importing.

[hfx_chris]

Well, this is interesting.

If you check out the admissible vehicles list on the RIV.ca website, it says all Toyota passenger vehicles up to 2007 are admissible (with a few exceptions)... but it mentions nothing about 2008 models. So I sent them an email, and just got a very helpful response saying:

Unfortunately, the 2008 Toyota passenger car models appear to be
inadmissible, as they are not cited on Transport List of Admissible
Vehicles from the United States. Therefore, they appear to be
INADMISSIBLE for importation into Canada. Please refer to this list at
http://www.riv.ca/english/US_vehicle_admissibility.pdf.

This list is constructed by specifications supplied by the Original
Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) to certify compliance. If the OEM has not
provided testing documentation that proves these vehicles comply or can
comply with CMVSS, then they would be deemed inadmissible for
importation. Please contact the OEM and have them provide this
information directly to Transport Canada.

Aside from not telling me anything I didn't already see on the list... basically she's saying at the moment you can't import ANY 2008 Toyota? In the next paragraph, she's saying Toyota has to send TC their testing documentation before they can add their 2008 models to the list... so when would that happen? Shouldn't that information already have been sent? When would Toyota send it... so we can start buying 2008's? Do we need to prod Toyota?

[crank71]

I searched this post but couldn't find any mention of the new gas guzzler tax that the feds are now placing on vehicles with fuel consumption greater than 13L/100Km. It looks like it only applies to vehicles with in service dates after March 2007.
I'm bringing in a 2006 Tribeca next week, and it would have fallen into this tax scenario due to its listed 13.2L/100Km...but since it's in service is prior to March 2007, it is exempt...thankfully.
This tax could be a deal killer for someone looking at a full size SUV or something else with terrible gas mileage...

Here is the summary

"Automobiles that have a weighted average fuel consumption rating of 13 or more litres per 100 kilometres
will be subject to the excise tax at the following rates:
• at least 13 but less than 14 litres per 100 kilometres, $1,000;
• at least 14 but less than 15 litres per 100 kilometres, $2,000;
• at least 15 but less than 16 litres per 100 kilometres, $3,000; and
• 16 or more litres per 100 kilometres, $4,000."

Here is the link:
http://www.riv.ca/english/07.03_New_Green_Levy.pdf

[johnsa]

I am on the verge of buying a 2007 Nissan Maxima in New Jersey(net savings will be 12k)

I am wondering if anyone has imported at the Gananoque/Ivy Lea crossing? I am looking for their contact info/fax..hours available to process imports, etc...thanks!

[stock_junkie]

I was wondering if anybody has successfully sold their imported Subaru yet? They're not the most popular car to begin with and also they are imported (which might scare some prosepctive buyers) so I wonder if they will be hard to move if I want to sell it after 6mos or 1 year and then buy another new one?

Please PM me if you're shy. :lol:

[Comatose]

Ya I really hate that automated-email reply they send. I've never gotten anything useful back via email. Via phone however, the individual I dealt was was very informative and friendly.
I too would really want to see more 2008 models being added.. let us know if you find anything more.

Well, this is interesting.

If you check out the admissible vehicles list on the RIV.ca website, it says all Toyota passenger vehicles up to 2007 are admissible (with a few exceptions)... but it mentions nothing about 2008 models. So I sent them an email, and just got a very helpful response saying:



Aside from not telling me anything I didn't already see on the list... basically she's saying at the moment you can't import ANY 2008 Toyota? In the next paragraph, she's saying Toyota has to send TC their testing documentation before they can add their 2008 models to the list... so when would that happen? Shouldn't that information already have been sent? When would Toyota send it... so we can start buying 2008's? Do we need to prod Toyota?

[DarkCat]

RIV does not list any 2008 Toyota/Lexus cars.
1) How often is the list updated?
2) Any speculations re: Toyota/Lexus?

Thanks,

DarkCat

[acklam]

I am considering a used car from Illinois. I live in Toronto. Any recommendation on which port of entry I should use?

[hfx_chris]

Ya I really hate that automated-email reply they send. I've never gotten anything useful back via email. Via phone however, the individual I dealt was was very informative and friendly.
I too would really want to see more 2008 models being added.. let us know if you find anything more.That was an automated reply? I had no idea :P

[crasher]

I am considering a used car from Illinois. I live in Toronto. Any recommendation on which port of entry I should use?

Buffalo(queenston) or you can come via detroit

[faston]

... basically she's saying at the moment you can't import ANY 2008 Toyota? In the next paragraph, she's saying Toyota has to send TC their testing documentation before they can add their 2008 models to the list... so when would that happen? Shouldn't that information already have been sent? When would Toyota send it... so we can start buying 2008's? Do we need to prod Toyota?

As has been mentioned in this thread many times Toyota is very actively disinterested in having their US vehicles exported to Canada.

I wouldn't be holding my breath on that documentation being rushed to Transport Canada.

[oasis221]

Finally found a Toyota dealership that would sell to me and talked him down to $32,200 US. Has anyone else been able to get a better price than this?

[Fx45]

Hi everyone,

This is the analysis I've been doing for a 2007 MDX with Tech Package:

For Comparison:
- MDX With Tech Package
- Assume need to finance 40K @ 48 months

Purchasing in Canada
- MSRP (with freight) less 3000 = 55400
- GST / PST = 7202
- Interest @ 3.9% = 3265
TOTAL = 65867

Purchasing in the US
- Invoice + 1000 = 40500
- Currency Exchange (1.08) = 3200
- Replacement Warranty = 3200 (SecureDrive quote)
- Importing Fees & Stuff = 400
- GST / PST = 6154
- Interest @ Prime 6.25 = 5311
TOTAL = 58905

Difference = Approx $7,000

Is there anything I missed in or is wrong with this analysis?

[drayog]

I was just down on the weekend looking at vehicles. I am going to buy a used Honda and a New Toyota, the prices are just crazy down there, For the same price of 1 toyota up here I can buy 2 vehicles down there. Any help from those who have already purchased down south would be apprecitaed. Things to do ? Tips ? etc Thanks

[kellan165]

I searched this post but couldn't find any mention of the new gas guzzler tax that the feds are now placing on vehicles with fuel consumption greater than 13L/100Km. It looks like it only applies to vehicles with in service dates after March 2007.
I'm bringing in a 2006 Tribeca next week, and it would have fallen into this tax scenario due to its listed 13.2L/100Km...but since it's in service is prior to March 2007, it is exempt...thankfully.
This tax could be a deal killer for someone looking at a full size SUV or something else with terrible gas mileage...

Here is the summary

"Automobiles that have a weighted average fuel consumption rating of 13 or more litres per 100 kilometres
will be subject to the excise tax at the following rates:
• at least 13 but less than 14 litres per 100 kilometres, $1,000;
• at least 14 but less than 15 litres per 100 kilometres, $2,000;
• at least 15 but less than 16 litres per 100 kilometres, $3,000; and
• 16 or more litres per 100 kilometres, $4,000."

Here is the link:
http://www.riv.ca/english/07.03_New_Green_Levy.pdf

Even with the gas guzzler levy, you should still be able to save a fair chunk of change. I am bringing back a fully loaded 08 Armada in the next few weeks. Best price I could get here after dealing down was $72K. Picked one up in the Seattle area for $58K CDN which includes GST payment and $3,000 green levy. When all is said and done I will have still saved $14K.

[dpkform]

thanks Monsieurmaggot

I just ordered a brand new Harvest Gold Metallic 2008 Subaru Outback 3.0R LLbean edition, without the GPS. We did not want GPS.

I shopped Van Bortel, West Herr, Shutlz, and Northtown. No one would touch Van Bortel's current web price, which is $500 below invoice. I think when Monsieur purchased his 2007, there was some dealer cash to move the remaining 2007 models. Was also told that many of the 2007 models were scrapped due to industrial damage that occured next to the manufacturer lot where those cars were stored.

No matter, as I personally prefer the 2008 grille, my short wife likes the telescopic wheel, and finally - in 2008, the front map lights come on when you open the door in sunroof equipped models - so the interior is properly lit at night :) I also ordered factory installed accessories of remote car starter, trailer hitch and wiring harness, homelink mirror upgrade, rubber floor mats, and side cargo nets.

In Canada, the closest equivalent model is the 3.0 Premier Edition, which has all the same equipment as the 3.0 R LLbean USA version, except that in Canada, the GPS comes standard, whereas in the USA, it is the only option, invoice priced at $1846 or so. We did not want GPS, so we did not order it.

In Canada the 3.0R Premier edition Outback lists for $47,500 including freight. There are no cash incentives in Canada. Compared to purchasing the 3.0R model in Canada at list price, together with our chosen accessories, after converting currency, paying all fees, freight, and the usual Canadian taxes (PST/GST), we will have saved a grand total of $CDN 19,000 ! Wow !

Car should be ready to pick up in about 10 days. :cheesygri

[jhardy]

Eco rebate isn't valid, but gas guzzler levy is? :|

[MrDisco]

out of curiosity i looked up the price of a camry le v6 and after adding the numbers i think the difference is roughly $5k between here and NY. holy @#$. anyone know of an importer who will do it all for us for a few hundred bucks?

better yet, is there a list of car manufacturers who have transferable warranties? i think i read in the paper last week that honda doesn't recognize US imports.

[ecgz88]

Hi everyone,

This is the analysis I've been doing for a 2007 MDX with Tech Package:

For Comparison:
- MDX With Tech Package
- Assume need to finance 40K @ 48 months

Purchasing in Canada
- MSRP (with freight) less 3000 = 55400
- GST / PST = 7202
- Interest @ 3.9% = 3265
TOTAL = 65867

Purchasing in the US
- Invoice + 1000 = 40500
- Currency Exchange (1.08) = 3200
- Replacement Warranty = 3200 (SecureDrive quote)
- Importing Fees & Stuff = 400
- GST / PST = 6154
- Interest @ Prime 6.25 = 5311
TOTAL = 58905

Difference = Approx $7,000

Is there anything I missed in or is wrong with this analysis?

How do you get that SecureDrive Drive? I assume all third party warranty will not be able to kick in since original warranty is void by manufacturer.:lol:

I know in BC if you buy 55K or more car, PST is 10%:confused:

[crasher]

Eco rebate isn't valid, but gas guzzler levy is? :|

I was thinking the same, The cars are same I think new car dealers lobby had a word in setting this policy. Is there ombudsman we can complain. I am thinking of buying a camry hybrid,

[scouzi]

Eco rebate isn't valid, but gas guzzler levy is? :|

I was thinking the same thing the other day. How can they justify the levy and not give the credit when it is the same program. The car will stil be driven in Canada and will either pollute or pollute less IN Canada.

[scouzi]

I was thinking the same, The cars are same I think new car dealers lobby had a word in setting this policy. Is there ombudsman we can complain. I am thinking of buying a camry hybrid,

You could probably get it in small claims court. If it's not written anywhere, they have to give it to you.

[crasher]

You could probably get it in small claims court. If it's not written anywhere, they have to give it to you.

It is metioned on their website (http://www.tc.gc.ca/programs/environment/ecotransport/ecoAUTO-QandAs.htm) that ecoauto rebate is not valid for cars imported from US:mad: And as scouzi mentioned it is the same agency that levy green tax.:mad: :mad: :mad:

[elmst200]

filing a class-action lawsuit against the government agency. the chance for winning is high. It shouldn't be difficult to find a lawyer who would like to dig into this issue as most lawyers are keen on new ideas (or leads) that might make them rich.

It is metioned on their website (http://www.tc.gc.ca/programs/environment/ecotransport/ecoAUTO-QandAs.htm) that ecoauto rebate is not valid for cars imported from US:mad: And as scouzi mentioned it is the same agency that levy green tax.:mad: :mad: :mad:

[sajkaj]

"Hi, guys

I need some help from u guys, I'am in Ottawa and I'am planing to buy a SUV can somebody help me which SUV should I buy and from where if any good dealer u guys had experience with them , Yes I'am still on process to read all threads but advance thanks for your early response.

Thanks guys"

hey guys,

can somebody tell me good dealer close to ottawa.????????

Advanced Thanks;)

[harria5]

Finally found a Toyota dealership that would sell to me and talked him down to $32,200 US. Has anyone else been able to get a better price than this?

I'd say that's a good price. I bought a 2006 XLE with the same option package last Oct and paid $31,000 US. With the current exchange rate, you will pay a lot less than I did, plus you'll get the 3.5L engine and rear parking assist. Given the fact that finding Toyota dealers who are willing to sell to Canadians seems to be getting much harder, I wouldn't fool around trying to save a few hundred more. Good luck!

[Fx45]

How do you get that SecureDrive Drive? I assume all third party warranty will not be able to kick in since original warranty is void by manufacturer.:lol:


I talked to the guy at SecureWarranty and basically the way to go is to treat it as a pre-owned vehicle - this way we don't need a manufacturer's warranty (and the price is different). I got the $3200 from an actual dealer.


I know in BC if you buy 55K or more car, PST is 10%:confused:

Yes - I guess I can assume we could work something with my trade-in to get it below the 55K mark. I definitely will refuse to pay the luxury tax on this car.:mad:

[Yorker86]

Are my calculations for the Yaris S correct??

Yaris S $12 025us = $12 483.8cdn

Destination fee $660us = 685.2cdn
A/C Fee = $100cdn
GST 6% = $721.5cdn
PST 8% = $962cdn
Import Fee = $206.7cdn
Canadian Tire Inspection = $250cdn
Total = $15 409.2cdn

Total cost of yaris in Canada = $21 434.60cdn
Total cost if yaris bought in US = $15 409.2cdn

Savings = 6 025.4 (roughly)

[michelb]

Are my calculations for the Yaris S correct??

Yaris S $12 025us = $12 483.8cdn

Destination fee $660us = 685.2cdn
A/C Fee = $100cdn
GST 6% = $721.5cdn
PST 8% = $962cdn
Import Fee = $206.7cdn
Canadian Tire Inspection = $250cdn
Total = $15 409.2cdn

Total cost of yaris in Canada = $21 434.60cdn
Total cost if yaris bought in US = $15 409.2cdn

Savings = 6 025.4 (roughly)

Calcs are mostly ok although I'm not sure where you'll get that good of an exchange rate (most banks will probably charge you around $13750CND for $12700US).

As far as I can tell, the Yaris is built in Japan so you'll have to pay 6.1% duty on it as well however there is no Canadian Tire Inspection fee (it's part of the import fee). Also you are not including travel costs which could be significant especially since it looks like to find a Toyota dealer that will sell to you, you'll probably need to go pretty far from the border.

Also where did you get that price? Toyota.com prices the Yaris S at $16530 incl freight.

[Gromit]

Aside from not telling me anything I didn't already see on the list... basically she's saying at the moment you can't import ANY 2008 Toyota? In the next paragraph, she's saying Toyota has to send TC their testing documentation before they can add their 2008 models to the list... so when would that happen? Shouldn't that information already have been sent? When would Toyota send it... so we can start buying 2008's? Do we need to prod Toyota?

Heh. I bet they found a loophole, if they don't send in their test data, no one can buy a US model and import it. Even if they eventually have to pay a fine for not sending it in, they're still ahead of the game.

I'd say that's a good price. I bought a 2006 XLE with the same option package last Oct and paid $31,000 US.

Really? Mine was $29,010 US all in, including temporary tag etc. Same month, too.

Doesn't surprise me that dealers are inflating their prices by a few thousand when we desperate Canucks come down, because most of us have nowhere else to go when we finally find a dealer who will sell to us.

[Yorker86]

Calcs are mostly ok although I'm not sure where you'll get that good of an exchange rate (most banks will probably charge you around $13750CND for $12700US).

As far as I can tell, the Yaris is built in Japan so you'll have to pay 6.1% duty on it as well however there is no Canadian Tire Inspection fee (it's part of the import fee). Also you are not including travel costs which could be significant especially since it looks like to find a Toyota dealer that will sell to you, you'll probably need to go pretty far from the border.

Also where did you get that price? Toyota.com prices the Yaris S at $16530 incl freight.

My appologies. I didnt calculate the right way. What I was really looking at here is the Basic Yaris Sedan, not the S version. So the actual price comes out at $14, 230 US. In Canadian that would be around $14,737.80 CAD. I am not sure how much they will charge me for converting. I will have to check with my bank (CIBC).

*Update

With the Duty fee at 6.1% and everything else, the total price of the Yaris Sedan would end up being $17 625.4 CAD. The conversion fee would also add another $1, 000 I assume which would equal the total savings roughly around $3 000.

[harria5]

[/QUOTE]Really? Mine was $29,010 US all in, including temporary tag etc. Same month, too.

Doesn't surprise me that dealers are inflating their prices by a few thousand when we desperate Canucks come down, because most of us have nowhere else to go when we finally find a dealer who will sell to us.[/QUOTE]

yeah, I had a dealer who was willing to deal and knew the process. I think he was making a bit extra off of me but it was worth it to know that I wasn't going to have any problems. I still got it for well below dealer invoice and a hell of a lot less than the $48,000 the same van was selling for here in Canada.

[CanAm]

Looking to buy an 08 Toyota Tacoma in NW WA State. Can anyone recommend a dealer. Please PM.

Thanx

[tzcnd]

Heh. I bet they found a loophole, if they don't send in their test data, no one can buy a US model and import it. Even if they eventually have to pay a fine for not sending it in, they're still ahead of the game.



I don't think that that is a loophole. If they don't provide their test data to the government then Toyota Canada can't import vehicles themselves either.

[hfx_chris]

total savings roughly around $3 000.
$3,000 savings is exactly the same I came up with for the Yaris as well.

I don't think that that is a loophole. If they don't provide their test data to the government then Toyota Canada can't import vehicles themselves either.But there's already 2008 Toyotas on the lots in Canada... aren't there? I'm pretty sure I saw some '08 Matrix's on the lot here... although they could have been '07's.

[drayog]

I found Kirkland and Toyota of Tacoma dealers the best to deal with. These guys seemed to know the process and were willing to deal. Prices a bit high but I'll wait a few weeks and go back

[fugazi11]

Just wanted to thank everybody who has contributed to this thread. Come the time of my next car I will be purchasing it in the US. I was wondering if there is any way that a summary can be posted of the process (I saw this previously) and also what we have found out about each manufacturers warranty in Canada (valid vs not valid, might take longer as parts have to be ordered, etc...). This seems to be difficult to find in the post. Is there a way that this could be attached so it can be saved or posted somewhere so we don't have to remember that it is posted on page 247 as an example......

[crasher]

Just wanted to thank everybody who has contributed to this thread. Come the time of my next car I will be purchasing it in the US. I was wondering if there is any way that a summary can be posted of the process (I saw this previously) and also what we have found out about each manufacturers warranty in Canada (valid vs not valid, might take longer as parts have to be ordered, etc...). This seems to be difficult to find in the post. Is there a way that this could be attached so it can be saved or posted somewhere so we don't have to remember that it is posted on page 247 as an example......

Whole process is summarized here (http://www.riv.ca/english/html/how_to_import.html).

[rgc97]

Here's a site with a summary WORD document of the whole import process that you can download: http://www.siennaclub.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=15215&pid=121652&mode=threaded&start=#entry121652

I bought a Sienna XLE in May and imported it to Ontario. Not very difficult, and great savings. However, it takes some time. So I documented my entire process, and added additional useful info.

[belfour]

could you provide a direct link for that word doc... instead of having us to register to that site. Thanks.

[hfx_chris]

So basically I just got an email from Toyota Canada regarding the warranty on a Scion xD being covered in Canada:

As the Scion marque is not in any way affiliated with Toyota Canada, we are not in a position to assist you with obtaining parts and service on an imported Scion.

All Toyota dealerships in Canada are independently owned and operated. You may speak with the service manager at any Toyota dealership to discuss the possibility of servicing a Scion xD under warranty, however, this is entirely at their discretion. Furthermore, the warranty on an imported Scion is still administered by Toyota in the United States. If you choose to import this vehicle and you do run into any difficulties performing warranty service or importing the necessary parts, you would need to resolve those difficulties directly with the servicing dealership and Toyota Motor Sales in the United States.

So basically, they say in one hand they honor the Scion warranties... but at the same time say they won't?
I'm actually getting kind of pissed off at Toyota at the moment. Right now I want nothing to do with them.

I wonder if I can import a nice Mazda3 Sport instead...

[shopper-X]

So basically I just got an email from Toyota Canada regarding the warranty on a Scion xD being covered in Canada:



So basically, they say in one hand they honor the Scion warranties... but at the same time say they won't?
I'm actually getting kind of pissed off at Toyota at the moment. Right now I want nothing to do with them.

I wonder if I can import a nice Mazda3 Sport instead...

I know what you mean. I spoke with the service manager at Toyota and he said that they would service a US bought Toyota when they had time, after their "real" customers where serviced. I think he was hinting at never. The one guy there also BS'd me by saying that the ODB-II connections are not the same in Canada and the US and the problem would be harder to find.

[Beradon]

I know what you mean. I spoke with the service manager at Toyota and he said that they would service a US bought Toyota when they had time, after their "real" customers where serviced. I think he was hinting at never. The one guy there also BS'd me by saying that the ODB-II connections are not the same in Canada and the US and the problem would be harder to find.
Ignore what those so called 'service' managers say and just bring in your car like anyone else. The minute you feel you are treated differently, complain to Toyota's head office. Also, throw in a threat that you will publicly dispute their underhanded treatment. Would be great if you could record this on tape or hidden camera.

[newbie_07]

Hi,
I've spent a few hours going through the threads on rfd's on importing a car from the states.

1. It seems that's it's getting harder to import toyota's unless you go for dealers further south.
2. It appears that most people are buying new cars and getting a savings of aprox 10k

I've looked around and it seems the significant savings of 10k or so is only on a new sienna xle (the car i'm looking for), but not on a used one? I'd have thought a true RFD would get 10k off a used sienna xle. Would apprecaite your comments esp from those who got a sienna from the states

[drayog]

not true, you just have to hookup with the right sales manager

[abowodun]

Hi,
I've spent a few hours going through the threads on rfd's on importing a car from the states.

1. It seems that's it's getting harder to import toyota's unless you go for dealers further south.
2. It appears that most people are buying new cars and getting a savings of aprox 10k


I just got my 07 Toyota Camry out of the dealership in North Carolina and TRUCKING it to Montana for onward pickup to Calgary, Alberta. I did not want to drive 2days from NC to AB.

Bought 2007 Camry LE V6 with Leather for about $24k usd @ Rice Toyota Internet Sales Department, Greensboro, NC

They are very nice, and customer-friendly

Used a US Address (Delaware where no sales tax are required) to purchase car. I have a family friend in the USA. So, I did not pay state sales tax. Even if I had to pay state sales tax, I would have used a NC address....since they have one of the cheapest sales tax in USA for new cars (3%). I have my MSO original with me (DHL'd). Did not have to fly to NC. Paid Cash though. They will not sell via mail again....u have to fly physically and pay/sign some docs.

The company gave me my MSO and did not send MSO to Delaware because they know there are no Tax Obligations. If u allow them to send MSO to a US state...u then have to wait more to collect Title from US State.

Savings is about $9k since a similar vehicle will cost $33k (without GST) in Calgary, Alberta. My company pays for Trucking for me.....

I am off to Great Falls this weekend to drive car into Calgary.

I plan to drive the car with Texas Insurance (insurance under my sisters name since Canadian insurance wanted car in canada) and 30-day Temporary Tag from Dealership. The MSO has a Delaware address on it. My DL has a Calgary address. My insurance has a Texas Address.

NB: Montana, Dealware, New Hampshire Oregon, and Alaska are the other zero sales tax sates. See if you have a friend/family u can use their address.
Some sales tax states have exempt sales tax on New Cras (eg North Carolina)

So technically, I visited my cousin in Delaware (makes me USA resident/visitor for purchases purposes)....saw a car in NC and bought the car using my best contact address at that time of purchase (Delaware). Car sold to me with ZERO tax and Now I am taking car to Canada where I reside and will pay Taxes at that time...........

I have faxed the US customs worksheet and MSO (front and Back) to US Customs. I have obtained Toyota Recall letter. I have my Bill of Sale. I have my Credit ards and I am ready for the empowerment.

Anybody see problems here (e.g Delaware address on MSO, Texas Insurance under sisters name, Temporary Tag for driving inside Canada)

Anybody

[Leisures]

I did a search on the thread. There wasn't a definitive answer as to whether you can import a Volvo from the US. If this can be done, which dealership should I go to and what the process entail.

I just noticed the 2008 C30 is selling significantly less in the US than in Canada. It's definitely worth it to import it over.

[crasher]

With Cad $ all time high the savings are close to 30%
And I also want to clarify that local dealer here did not treat any different than cad. car. I had same service as expected.:cheesygri

[shopper-X]

Ignore what those so called 'service' managers say and just bring in your car like anyone else. The minute you feel you are treated differently, complain to Toyota's head office. Also, throw in a threat that you will publicly dispute their underhanded treatment. Would be great if you could record this on tape or hidden camera.

When it comes to making a stink when not treated right, I'm right there. Verbal threats do not scare me, I know that they honour the warranty and they shall honour it. However, I test drove the Camary and I'm not too thrilled with it.

[harria5]

Anybody see problems here (e.g Delaware address on MSO, Texas Insurance under sisters name, Temporary Tag for driving inside Canada)

Anybody

I don't see any problems but I would be worried about that Texas Insurance if you were ever in an accident. I was able to get coverage from my insurance co here in Canada but if your company wouldn't cover you, then you do what ya gotta do.

As for the sales tax, you don't have to pay it as long as you are not registering the car in that state so it doesn't matter where your US address is - ie. you don't have to use a tax-free state. I used my aunt's address in Florida and if I were indeed bringing it back there, I would pay sales tax in Florida. Instead, I brought it back to Ontario and paid PST at the MTO here.

I think we run into problems with dealers not wanting to sell to Canadians because we tell them we intend to export the car to Canada. Toyota requires a US address, so why not give them one for another state (so they don't collect sales tax) and just let them think that you are taking the car back to that state? They might question you when you present a Canadian DRL but you could probably talk your way around that as long as you are not buying near the border.

Only problem I see with this is you couldn't get them to fax the MSO to the border for you but you could always do it yourself and wait the 72 hours in the US (take a vacation!). Also you wouldn't know for sure ahead of time that the transaction will go through without a hitch - which I think is why we are upfront about our intentions. Just my $0.02

[newbie_07]

not true, you just have to hookup with the right sales manager

sorry, was that response to my question on 10k saving only on new?

[acklam]

Not sure if anyone has done research in this area.

Which method would you guys choose (does it matter?):
- money order?
- wire the money?

Which bank/financial institution gives the best rate?

TD Bank gives 1.066 when I check their web site now. It seems like I may need to share some of my gains with the :evil: bank! Damn, banks always make money!

[drayog]

no, that you had to travel further down south, there are many dealers in Idaho, Montana etc that will sell New Toyota's to you, you just have to find a Canadian friendly salesperson

[thegradas]

xe.com


Not sure if anyone has done research in this area.

Which method would you guys choose (does it matter?):
- money order?
- wire the money?

Which bank/financial institution gives the best rate?

TD Bank gives 1.066 when I check their web site now. It seems like I may need to share some of my gains with the :evil: bank! Damn, banks always make money!

[hfx_chris]

It's like nobody knows what they're doing...
just finished talking to somebody at a Mazda dealer in Maine. She seems to think the reason they cannot sell a new Mazda to me is because it's illegal in the state of Maine. I thought this was some sort of US Mazda head office rule?
So is it a state law, or just Mazda's own policy? Grr.
However, I must give her credit.. she was very pleasant. And she did reassure me that this is not a Mazda US policy.

[shopper-X]

It's like nobody knows what they're doing...
just finished talking to somebody at a Mazda dealer in Maine. She seems to think the reason they cannot sell a new Mazda to me is because it's illegal in the state of Maine. I thought this was some sort of US Mazda head office rule?
So is it a state law, or just Mazda's own policy? Grr.
However, I must give her credit.. she was very pleasant. And she did reassure me that this is not a Mazda US policy.

It's a Mazda US rule. I posted an online chat a few pages back. Mazda USA would like only USED Mazda's to leave the US not NEW...similar to Toyota's rules.

[hfx_chris]

Indeed, there's no way this is a state law in Maine, since I've been reading about other people buying Subarus and Nissans from Maine...

[abowodun]

I don't see any problems but I would be worried about that Texas Insurance if you were ever in an accident. I was able to get coverage from my insurance co here in Canada but if your company wouldn't cover you, then you do what ya gotta do.


The problem is that if U just use another state address and the states collect TAX....the dealership might mail your MSO to the DMV in that state. However, if u have a good relationship...they will give MSO for u and u will have to do whatever pleases u.

[mmonro]

xe.com

I used XE trade.. which was a quarter point lower than TD at the time I did the wire transfer

[chadw01]

I used XE trade.. which was a quarter point lower than TD at the time I did the wire transfer

You wired the money to them before taking possession of the vehicle? I guess as long as you trust the dealership, and then there's always a papertrail.. I would be weary though - would rather take a draft and declare it at the border when I head down.

On the other hand, it might give you some leverage to ensure the dealer you are serious about buying - although I think they also ask for a deposit on your credit card ($500-1000), don't they?

[mmonro]

Hi,
I've spent a few hours going through the threads on rfd's on importing a car from the states.

1. It seems that's it's getting harder to import toyota's unless you go for dealers further south.
2. It appears that most people are buying new cars and getting a savings of aprox 10k

I've looked around and it seems the significant savings of 10k or so is only on a new sienna xle (the car i'm looking for), but not on a used one? I'd have thought a true RFD would get 10k off a used sienna xle. Would apprecaite your comments esp from those who got a sienna from the states

I saved about $7k on a 2007 Sienna CE that I purchased in the Seattle area, wihch I thought was worth the time and effort. I paid $22US. I think the general rule is the higher the price the vehicle the more you can Save. I looked at a used Sienna but the saving difference wasn't that significant on the 2006 because of the manufactures rebate's, which was $1500US. I would use websites like edmonds to figure out what other people are paying for the vehicle with the options you want and then negotitate your best deal and see what the saving are. With the canadian $ inching to parity the saving are continuing to grow if you can negotiate a good deal

[mmonro]

You wired the money to them before taking possession of the vehicle? I guess as long as you trust the dealership, and then there's always a papertrail.. I would be weary though - would rather take a draft and declare it at the border when I head down.

On the other hand, it might give you some leverage to ensure the dealer you are serious about buying - although I think they also ask for a deposit on your credit card ($500-1000), don't they?

I put $500 deposit on credit card and wired the money becuase I was comfortable with the dealership. Also they know your serious about the deal and it may give you a bit more leverage to get a better dealer. Either way its whatever you feel comfortable with.

[warthog777]

I am very unhappy with my Camry also.
If I had TEST drove it on the interstate and used the CRUISE, I would never of bought the care.
In fact. I do not think ANY potental customer would
purchase the Camry.
I also thnk Toyota KNEW this and they are deceiving
the public by not disclosing this DEFECT.




Edmunds.com customer reviews:
- "delay in acceleration and poor mileage"
- "The car hesitated during acceleration, repeatedly shifted gears during minimal acceleration, and ALWAYS down-shifted when using cruise control on slight inclines. In fact it down-shifted two gears to climb small hills in Florida and hit 4800 RPM in third gear"
- "It takes from 1-3 seconds after pushing the gas pedal for the tranny to downshift and accelerate. With a hard heavy downshift the car takes off, but on normal moderate accelerating, it is dangerous and frustrating"

[shopper-X]

I am very unhappy with my Camry also.
If I had TEST drove it on the interstate and used the CRUISE, I would never of bought the care.
In fact. I do not think ANY potental customer would
purchase the Camry.
I also thnk Toyota KNEW this and they are deceiving
the public by not disclosing this DEFECT.

I test drove the v6 SE and found it slow and slugish compared to the Accord and Legacy.

[tkyoshi]

I am very unhappy with my Camry also.
If I had TEST drove it on the interstate and used the CRUISE, I would never of bought the care.
In fact. I do not think ANY potental customer would
purchase the Camry.
I also thnk Toyota KNEW this and they are deceiving
the public by not disclosing this DEFECT.

Looks like they need to push out a software update.

Ahhh the joys of Drive-By-Wire :cheesygri, at least they don't use Brake-By-Wire widely yet.

[karl_at_vanbortel]

After much pushing and prodding by my Canadian customers I have decided to officially introduce myself here. My name is Karl Lindemuth and I am the internet sales manager at Van Bortel Subaru. I remain completely blown away by how many people are catching on to the savings of buying a car in the US every day. If anyone ever has any questions about buying a Subaru please do not hesitate to contact me. I can assure you that I will make the buying process easy, painless, but most importantly, FUN! Keep up all of the awesome information that you all are posting up!

[drayog]

Now that is a Brother. Thanks for the Response Bro

[MrDisco]

After much pushing and prodding by my Canadian customers I have decided to officially introduce myself here.

Welcome. Its always nice to see industry representation online who can answer questions.

[acklam]

I used XE trade.. which was a quarter point lower than TD at the time I did the wire transfer

Thank you and thegradas for the info.

The salesperson is not willing to even negotiate a cent off the asking price of the used car that I am interested in. :mad:

Well, I will have to keep looking or wait for the CND dollar to rise a bit more...

[lightbulb]

I've been reading from both ends, what is the longest thread of any forum I've ever visited; from the front, I'm at pg. 76 and backwards from the most recent, I've gotten to pg. 189. There's been some great information, thanks to those who are sharing their experiences. About a year ago, well before I discovered this thread, I was looking through eBay listings for Audi wagons; I was amazed at the affordability and even more, at the vast selection (by Canadian standards). As an avid eBay user, I was pretty determined I would go that route with my next car. Now, as I'm perhaps 30-90 days from actually buying a car, I think I've narrowed it down to a Saab or Subaru. At this time, I think Saab has the edge. I've just emailed a handful of border dealers to enquire as to them selling a car for export, new or used. Currently Saab has a $4,500 cash back, how sweet is that! By my calculation, after the exchange and 6.1% duty, there should be a savings of $11-13K. There are also an abundant number of used vehicules with certified warranties south of the border. I expect dealers would have less or no reason not to sell a used car for export. As other have mentioned, a call to GM confirmed, new cars need to have 12,000km and 6 months before warranties apply. I'm going to check out the Subie wagon later this week, I think it may be a more dependable car with better resale than a Saab but not as sexy. I guess now that we have an American Subaru dealer posting here, it should be a piece of cake to import. I'll follow up with my experiences.

[reyt]

I searched this post but couldn't find any mention of the new gas guzzler tax that the feds are now placing on vehicles with fuel consumption greater than 13L/100Km. It looks like it only applies to vehicles with in service dates after March 2007.
I'm bringing in a 2006 Tribeca next week, and it would have fallen into this tax scenario due to its listed 13.2L/100Km...but since it's in service is prior to March 2007, it is exempt...thankfully.
This tax could be a deal killer for someone looking at a full size SUV or something else with terrible gas mileage...

Here is the summary

"Automobiles that have a weighted average fuel consumption rating of 13 or more litres per 100 kilometres
will be subject to the excise tax at the following rates:
• at least 13 but less than 14 litres per 100 kilometres, $1,000;
• at least 14 but less than 15 litres per 100 kilometres, $2,000;
• at least 15 but less than 16 litres per 100 kilometres, $3,000; and
• 16 or more litres per 100 kilometres, $4,000."

Here is the link:
http://www.riv.ca/english/07.03_New_Green_Levy.pdf

Acoording to the formula .55 x 13.3 + .45 x 9.5 Tribeca's average fuel consumption is 11.59 litres per 100 kilometres therefore the car is NOT a subject to gas guzzler tax.

[johnsa]

Add me to the list!!This may be the first Nissan purchase I have seen on here.

Thanks so much for everyones' input on here.

I just finalized a deal on a new 2007 Nissan Maxima SL with every option except GPS. List in Ontario about 44k with freight, best deal about 41k before taxes ..I paid 28k Cdn freight incl. How about that..a net savings of about 15k after taxes...I purchased at at OpenRoad Nissan In NJ ..They are couriering the docs to me and I am will be wiring the funds to them. Pick it up Aug6..fly from T.O to NJ for 236 cdn..they pick me up at airport...8 hr drive to cross at 1000 Islands.

Does anyone know the fax and ph number for the Ivy Lea crossing??

yeah..can't wait to replace the Quest!!!

[hhnyy]

Good Job! Johnsa

I'm planning to import the 2008 Nissan Coupe 3.5SE....

[whampoa]

I can assure you that I will make the buying process easy, painless, but most importantly, FUN! Keep up all of the awesome information that you all are posting up!

I can vouch this guy is legit. He even have an avatar of the same Subie Outback I bought from him.

Say bro, do you think I can get a touch up paint on the house for my Outback?

[RRKnight]

Just picked up my new 08 Subaru Outback 2.5i Limited and crossed the boarder. Man this was the easiest $11K that I saved. The process was soooooo easy and with the rates this low. Don't wait, buy your new vehicle now. Now I'm thinking of selling my other car so that I can get another new one in the states. Hahahahaha

[RRKnight]

Anyone on RFD, is there a way to change the odometer reading from Miles to Kilometers after importing the car from US? My Outback also has the temp in fahrenheit, can I change it to Celsius?

[sajkaj]

Just picked up my new 08 Subaru Outback 2.5i Limited and crossed the boarder. Man this was the easiest $11K that I saved. The process was soooooo easy and with the rates this low. Don't wait, buy your new vehicle now. Now I'm thinking of selling my other car so that I can get another new one in the states. Hahahahaha

Congratulations .:cheesygri ......but can u post all the details,the process,dealer,borders etc.. for the members it'll be very nice .
Thanks

[sajkaj]

Hey guys,

Can somebody tell me the good dealer, I'am in Ottawa.

Advance Thanks.........

[RRKnight]

Congratulations .:cheesygri ......but can u post all the details,the process,dealer,borders etc.. for the members it'll be very nice .
Thanks

I just followed the steps posted on this thread.

1. There is no duty if car is assembled in the USA.
Verify that the car is importable: [url]www.riv.ca[/url

Incorrect - no duty if it meets NAFTA content.


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2. Verify that the car has the required Canadian Safety Standards.
See http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/menu.htm

No need - RIV has this information


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3. Check that warranty is valid in Canada.

If Canadian dealer won't warranty it make sure the US dealers will - short trip over the border to get it done, some manufacturers Honda will not warranty it in any country. Get a 3rd party warranty then


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4. Verify for a label stating that it meets all US Federal Standard.

No need - this is already on the car.


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5. Verify if state taxes are required.

No taxes since its for export.

6. Have the dealership fax a "Certificate of Origin" to US Customs (USC).
72 hours before your arrival at the border crossing.

7. Inspect the car - check dealer modification (e.g. block heater, etc.).

8. Obtain a letter from the manufacturer
stating this car (include VIN) does not have a Recall Pending.

9. Dealership provides a temporary plate sticker.

10. Call your insurance company and
provide the VIN number to arrange coverage.

11. At USC will verify that the VIN matches the doc,
this document must be presented at Canadian Customs.

12. At Canada Customs, present the
a) Bill of Sale,
b) Certificate of Origin and drivers license;
customs will verify that the VIN matches the doc.

13. You must pay the $206.70 at CC to Registrar of Imported Vehicles (RIV),
this covers the cost of inspection at Cdn Tire and Federal Registration.

14. Pay the GST at the Canada Customs.
There is a $100.00 charge if you have A/C.
They will provide a Form 1.

15. At home, fax the Recall Letter and file number to RIV;
they will then mail/email you a Inspection Form.

16. Go to Canadian Tire with your doc package.
Canadian Tire will provide Form 2.

17. A provincial safety maybe required even if its brand new.
This can be done at Cdn Tire or other certified station.
A Safety Standards Certificate will be provided.

18. Obtain proof of Insurance.

19. Go to Driver Licensing and take your Documentation package,
Pay the PST and registration fee.

20. RIV will send you a sticker to place on the car.
You're done.

[bionicbadger]

Anyone on RFD, is there a way to change the odometer reading from Miles to Kilometers after importing the car from US? My Outback also has the temp in fahrenheit, can I change it to Celsius?

Its been asked a few times before if you search.
On a subaru, you need to replace the instrument cluster to get metric readings. When you get it done there will be note in your carfax and other history showing odometer replaced or something similar, buyers really don't like seeing that and it will probably kill your resale more than if you leave the odometer in miles.

[shopper-X]

Its been asked a few times before if you search.
On a subaru, you need to replace the instrument cluster to get metric readings. When you get it done there will be note in your carfax and other history showing odometer replaced or something similar, buyers really don't like seeing that and it will probably kill your resale more than if you leave the odometer in miles.

I was told by Nissan here in Regina that they buy used Nissan's cars from the US, ship them to Calgary where there is a certified Odometer changer (would not tell me the name or the cost of the service). Then they ship the car to Regina. They must be still making a far bit of money or they would not be doing all this.

They also told me that if I buy a NEW Nissan that was not register for atleast six months to a US resident, there is no warranty. For the Warranty to be valid you MUST find a used Nissan.

[michelb]

...

They also told me that if I buy a NEW Nissan that was not register for atleast six months to a US resident, there is no warranty. For the Warranty to be valid you MUST find a used Nissan.

This has been discussed in the thread before and is incorrect. From the Nissan warranty book, the warranty becomes VOID if the vehicle is transfered from the original owner within the first 6 months and it's registered outside the US. This means that the warrany is valid if the car is more than 6 months old OR the original owner (1st owner) imports the new car into Canada (basically I believe that this policy was put in place so used car dealers in Canada couldn't buy new cars in the US and sell them as 'nearly new' in Canada).

[sajkaj]

I just followed the steps posted on this thread.

1. There is no duty if car is assembled in the USA.
Verify that the car is importable: [url]www.riv.ca[/url

Incorrect - no duty if it meets NAFTA content.


Quote:
2. Verify that the car has the required Canadian Safety Standards.
See http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/menu.htm

No need - RIV has this information


Quote:
3. Check that warranty is valid in Canada.

If Canadian dealer won't warranty it make sure the US dealers will - short trip over the border to get it done, some manufacturers Honda will not warranty it in any country. Get a 3rd party warranty then


Quote:
4. Verify for a label stating that it meets all US Federal Standard.

No need - this is already on the car.


Quote:
5. Verify if state taxes are required.

No taxes since its for export.

6. Have the dealership fax a "Certificate of Origin" to US Customs (USC).
72 hours before your arrival at the border crossing.

7. Inspect the car - check dealer modification (e.g. block heater, etc.).

8. Obtain a letter from the manufacturer
stating this car (include VIN) does not have a Recall Pending.

9. Dealership provides a temporary plate sticker.

10. Call your insurance company and
provide the VIN number to arrange coverage.

11. At USC will verify that the VIN matches the doc,
this document must be presented at Canadian Customs.

12. At Canada Customs, present the
a) Bill of Sale,
b) Certificate of Origin and drivers license;
customs will verify that the VIN matches the doc.

13. You must pay the $206.70 at CC to Registrar of Imported Vehicles (RIV),
this covers the cost of inspection at Cdn Tire and Federal Registration.

14. Pay the GST at the Canada Customs.
There is a $100.00 charge if you have A/C.
They will provide a Form 1.

15. At home, fax the Recall Letter and file number to RIV;
they will then mail/email you a Inspection Form.

16. Go to Canadian Tire with your doc package.
Canadian Tire will provide Form 2.

17. A provincial safety maybe required even if its brand new.
This can be done at Cdn Tire or other certified station.
A Safety Standards Certificate will be provided.

18. Obtain proof of Insurance.

19. Go to Driver Licensing and take your Documentation package,
Pay the PST and registration fee.

20. RIV will send you a sticker to place on the car.
You're done.

Thanks. It'll help lot.

[sajkaj]

Hey guys,
any body who lives in ottawa and buying car from usa .
Thanks.

[johnsa]

I want to confirm that I spoke directly to the US border crossing at Alexandria Bay NY and I can drive right in on a brand new car with Mfr cert of Origin (untitled car) ...check with your local US border crossing directly, but I do not need to get a copy to them 72 hrs in advance...Only if it was a car with a title.........

[johnsa]

This has been discussed in the thread before and is incorrect. From the Nissan warranty book, the warranty becomes VOID if the vehicle is transfered from the original owner within the first 6 months and it's registered outside the US. This means that the warrany is valid if the car is more than 6 months old OR the original owner (1st owner) imports the new car into Canada (basically I believe that this policy was put in place so used car dealers in Canada couldn't buy new cars in the US and sell them as 'nearly new' in Canada).


Your statement does certainly make sense to me but does not match what the US dealer told me..which is no warranty in Can or USA..once I have my new Maxima up here I will have fun "interpreting " the warranty policy, as i will be the first registered owner...

[diigii]

Here is the Applicability section of Nissan USA's Warranty coverage for a US car.

"This warranty is generally transferable from the original 'owner other than a Nissan dealer' (OWNER) to subsequent owners of the vehicle at any time ownership of the vehicle is transferred, without any action on your part; except that this warranty is not transferable but is instead void if during the first six months after delivery to the original OWNER: (1) ownership of the vehicle is transferred from the original OWNER, and (2) the vehicle is registered outside of the United States."



Your statement does certainly make sense to me but does not match what the US dealer told me..which is no warranty in Can or USA..once I have my new Maxima up here I will have fun "interpreting " the warranty policy, as i will be the first registered owner...

[inspire]

I want to confirm that I spoke directly to the US border crossing at Alexandria Bay NY and I can drive right in on a brand new car with Mfr cert of Origin (untitled car) ...check with your local US border crossing directly, but I do not need to get a copy to them 72 hrs in advance...Only if it was a car with a title.........

Interesting to hear this ... because the US is very picky as to what goes through their crossing. I wouldn't necessarily believe this applies to all crossings. Perhaps the agent you spoke to was new and doesn't know all the rules-- because this is certainly news to many of us who've already imported a car before. (I would hate for you to get to the border and be told to turn around and wait for 71 hours since you didn't give them enough notice...)

[johnsa]

I spoke directly to the officer in charge at that border crossing and he is the one I will be dealing directly with....I asked him the question specifically as another poster had made a similar comment a few days ago that they did not require the docs 72 hrs in advance if you had mfr cert of origin rather than cert of title...

If the purpose of the 72 hrs is to ensure someone is not trying to steal a car or remove a car from the US that has liens, etc...this policy would make sense on a new car that has never been titled..I will likely call the officer to confirm several days beforehand......

[johnsa]

Here is the Applicability section of Nissan USA's Warranty coverage for a US car.

"This warranty is generally transferable from the original 'owner other than a Nissan dealer' (OWNER) to subsequent owners of the vehicle at any time ownership of the vehicle is transferred, without any action on your part; except that this warranty is not transferable but is instead void if during the first six months after delivery to the original OWNER: (1) ownership of the vehicle is transferred from the original OWNER, and (2) the vehicle is registered outside of the United States."

I am not a lawyer but I think this can be interpreted both ways.........void or not void, that is the question......

[flaming homer]

I spoke directly to the officer in charge at that border crossing and he is the one I will be dealing directly with....I asked him the question specifically as another poster had made a similar comment a few days ago that they did not require the docs 72 hrs in advance if you had mfr cert of origin rather than cert of title...

If the purpose of the 72 hrs is to ensure someone is not trying to steal a car or remove a car from the US that has liens, etc...this policy would make sense on a new car that has never been titled..I will likely call the officer to confirm several days beforehand......Those of us importing new from Buffalo via Queenston-Lewiston all have "original manufacturer certificate of origin", and it's 3 business days wait.

[johnsa]

I called the office again and spoke directly with a supervisor and they confirmed that I do not need to fax the docs if the vehicle has never been titled and i have a Cert of Origin........typical of gov't offices ....not always 100% consistency...

[flaming homer]

I called the office again and spoke directly with a supervisor and they confirmed that I do not need to fax the docs if the vehicle has never been titled and i have a Cert of Origin........typical of gov't offices ....not always 100% consistency...Don't know why we're going on and on about this, we're trying to save you the possibility of hanging around the border for 3 business days. See section 192.2.c http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/export/export_docs/motor_vehicle.xmlWhen presented

Exportation by vessel or aircraft. For those vehicles exported by vessel or aircraft, the required documentation and the vehicle must be presented to Customs at least 72 hours prior to export.

Exportation at land border crossing points. For those vehicles exported by rail, highway, or under their own power.

The required documentation must be submitted to Customs at least 72 hours prior to export; and

The vehicle must be presented to Customs at the time of exportation.

[johnsa]

I will be faxing them the docs......not going to take any chances..

[flaming homer]

I just followed the steps posted on this thread.

5. Verify if state taxes are required.

No taxes since its for export.This seems to only be true in certain states such as New York. Previous discussion clearly stated in Michigan state tax must be paid regardless if it is being exported or not
17. A provincial safety maybe required even if its brand new.
This can be done at Cdn Tire or other certified station.
A Safety Standards Certificate will be provided.This is not true for new cars, you need to fight your local MTO about this

[kellan165]

Here is the Applicability section of Nissan USA's Warranty coverage for a US car.

"This warranty is generally transferable from the original 'owner other than a Nissan dealer' (OWNER) to subsequent owners of the vehicle at any time ownership of the vehicle is transferred, without any action on your part; except that this warranty is not transferable but is instead void if during the first six months after delivery to the original OWNER: (1) ownership of the vehicle is transferred from the original OWNER, and (2) the vehicle is registered outside of the United States."

One thing I noticed is that the applicability section on the Nissan website actually has the word "AND" between (1) and (2) underlined. Doesn't that mean that both (1) and (2) must occur before the warranty is void? Also, (1) says that ownership has to be transferred from the original OWNER. It says the orignal owner is not considered to be a Nissan dealer. If that is the case, then if you buy new, you are the original owner and (1) wouldn't apply because you are not transferring the warranty to anyone else.

Any thoughts??

[Kamloops]

Man this sucks. I a, buying a used Durango Hemi in the USA. Great deal. Its a 2004 for only 34000 miles on it and has the Maxcare 7/70000 mile service contract.

Just called dodge canada and he said that the warranty will be no good in Canada. He even said Dodge is wanting to slow down the cross border shopping for Dodge/Chysler Products. Sucks!

What we need is a list of what company's will honor the warranty's. PM me what you know and I will make alist and post it on my website

UPdate - Just called them again to see if it would be honored in the USA, they said NO! As soon as it is in a Canadians Name and address all warrantys are void

[Lax5]

Your statement does certainly make sense to me but does not match what the US dealer told me..which is no warranty in Can or USA..once I have my new Maxima up here I will have fun "interpreting " the warranty policy, as i will be the first registered owner...

When I purchased and imported my 2006 Nismo Frontier at Christmas I interpreted the warranty section to be valid because I was the original owner. However, the registration in the USA section has me somewhat worried. The dealership in Vancouver where I had the DRL installed indicated that if warranty work was needed they would do it, though.

Has anyone purchased and imported a Nissan and had warranty work completed?

[johnsa]

I just spoke to Nissan USA and read the warranty info on their website. The rep (who confirmed with a supervisor) confirmed that the warranty is valid because I am the original owner and it has never been titled. I will call them to register it just as I did when I bought my existing 04 Maxima and 06 Quest. If the dealer gives me any issues, I will refer them to Nissan USA AND show them the warranty info.....

No worries......

[crasher]

I just spoke to Nissan USA and read the warranty info on their website. The rep (who confirmed with a supervisor) confirmed that the warranty is valid because I am the original owner and it has never been titled. I will call them to register it just as I did when I bought my existing 04 Maxima and 06 Quest. If the dealer gives me any issues, I will refer them to Nissan USA AND show them the warranty info.....

No worries......

You should ask them same in writing, with supervisor name and employee ID, I also called them as wanted to buy Altima, but they said it is only valid for 60 days, which is also mentioned in their warranty statement posted online.
Thats why I bought a camry, and had to fax the MSO 3 days ahead of crossing the border. Now that I have got rid of camry(crap), if warranty is valid, I will get an altima.

[johnsa]

I do not see any ref to 60 day validity in the 2007 warranty guide online..just the previous quote..this is sufficient for me...I will register the car as the first buyer and hold Nissan to their stated policy...As I previously stated;with the amount I am saving the warranty is not that big a factor............

[Lax5]

I do not see any ref to 60 day validity in the 2007 warranty guide online..just the previous quote..this is sufficient for me...I will register the car as the first buyer and hold Nissan to their stated policy...As I previously stated;with the amount I am saving the warranty is not that big a factor............

You've twice mentioned "register the car." It is the first time I have purchased a new vehicle and I did not register the car with Nissan. I assumed that would be done by the dealership I purchased it from. When I called Nissan USA to get the recall letter I was asked to quote the VIN # and they knew about the vehicle, so assumed it was registered with them. Am I missing something?

[johnsa]

They are supposed to do it but I always call to double check the address so that I get notified of any recalls...........

[New2Subaru]

I have called the number (315)482-2261 at Alexandria Bay port, seems I need to UPS the "original copy of the COO" to the office 72 hours prior to crossing. Does any one have similiar experience recently. Also he mentioned the office is not operating 24/7 anymore, but only Mon-Fri, 8am-4pm.

Anybody knows how about other Eastern Ontario port?

Thanks

[darock_sayz]

I've managed to import a new 07 Camry (add me to the list!! )

Question for those with Camry's and other Toyotas/models...

Went to Canadian Tire, the guy said he was going to have to fail my car because the daytime running lights have an off setting and do not come on automatically. Although if you set them on auto they come on....anyways we disagreed and did not do the inspection. I thought I would try another Canadian tire or could anyone shed some light if they have been in a similar position and what I should do ? (Vancouver area)

Thanks....I'm panicking as i wanted to insure my car for the weekend!

[crasher]

I've managed to import a new 07 Camry (add me to the list!! )

Question for those with Camry's and other Toyotas/models...

Went to Canadian Tire, the guy said he was going to have to fail my car because the daytime running lights have an off setting and do not come on automatically. Although if you set them on auto they come on....anyways we disagreed and did not do the inspection. I thought I would try another Canadian tire or could anyone shed some light if they have been in a similar position and what I should do ? (Vancouver area)

Thanks....I'm panicking as i wanted to insure my car for the weekend!

I had the same problem, solution was easy, I cut a small piece of black electrical tape, and stick on top of position which said DRL off.:cheesygri
And to further make my arguement took the window sticker, which clearly said Daytime Running Light:cheesygri, with me to another CT, and car passed with flying colours. One canadian tire even told me that I need my Odometer converted to KMs. I complained to RIV about that CT location as that ediot wrote "failed" on the worksheet. RIV instantly emailed me a new worksheet and I went to third location.

[crasher]

I do not see any ref to 60 day validity in the 2007 warranty guide online..just the previous quote..this is sufficient for me...I will register the car as the first buyer and hold Nissan to their stated policy...As I previously stated;with the amount I am saving the warranty is not that big a factor............
Warranty was a big issue for me. Here is quote from their warranty policy posted online: (http://www.nissanusa.com/pdf/warranty/2007_Wrnty.pdf)
Your Nissan vehicle is manufactured to meet U.S.
regulations and environmental requirements. With the
exception of privately owned vehicles belonging to
members of the U.S. military or employees and officers
of the United States Government stationed abroad, this
warranty does not apply if an otherwise covered vehicle
is operated in, or relocated to, a country other than those
listed above under this caption, except that it continues
to apply if the vehicle is operated in full compliance with
its proper use as described in the applicable OWNERS
MANUAL while touring outside of the United States, the
U.S. territories or Canada for a period not exceeding sixty (60)
consecutive days or sixty (60) days in any one 12 month period.
Subject to the transferability restriction described above, this

[diigii]

You've twice mentioned "register the car." It is the first time I have purchased a new vehicle and I did not register the car with Nissan. I assumed that would be done by the dealership I purchased it from. When I called Nissan USA to get the recall letter I was asked to quote the VIN # and they knew about the vehicle, so assumed it was registered with them. Am I missing something?

Could I ask you something? If I were to follow what is written on riv.ca, isn't the recall letter supposed to be given to you when you pick up the car in the US? Isn't it this letter is the most important document that you need in order for US Customs to match and stamp with the embossed Export, and same document Canada Customs to accept the car? Nissan USA knows your vehicle now, and you will be denied warranty work if ever your car needed one.

[reyt]

After much pushing and prodding by my Canadian customers I have decided to officially introduce myself here. My name is Karl Lindemuth and I am the internet sales manager at Van Bortel Subaru. I remain completely blown away by how many people are catching on to the savings of buying a car in the US every day. If anyone ever has any questions about buying a Subaru please do not hesitate to contact me. I can assure you that I will make the buying process easy, painless, but most importantly, FUN! Keep up all of the awesome information that you all are posting up!

We just got 2 Tribecas from Karl at Van Bortel Subaru today. Huge savings and pleasure to deal with. Would recommend Karl to anybody looking for an awesome deal on Subaru. Thank you to all the people sharing info and personal experiences on the forum!

[summerman]

Anyone knows how to import private sale car from US? Thanks!

[diigii]

I just couldn't think of buying the 2007 Altima SE V6 6-spd for US$24K car with no warranty even though I know Nissan's build quality is somewhat solid considering how long I've owned my car. I have a 2000 Altima SE bought brand new and it only had two warranty works done: a premature left ball joint leak and a defective temperature sensor. Otherwise, the car runs like new.

Seriously considering the 2007 Subaru Legacy Special Edition and GT Limited Edition now, especially the warranty is valid in Canada. I haven't done the exact calculations but I am looking at around CAD$7K savings.

[diigii]

After much pushing and prodding by my Canadian customers I have decided to officially introduce myself here. My name is Karl Lindemuth and I am the internet sales manager at Van Bortel Subaru. I remain completely blown away by how many people are catching on to the savings of buying a car in the US every day. If anyone ever has any questions about buying a Subaru please do not hesitate to contact me. I can assure you that I will make the buying process easy, painless, but most importantly, FUN! Keep up all of the awesome information that you all are posting up!

Okay! I'll take you up on your offer! What's the lowest offer below invoice can you offer on the 2007 Legacy Special Edition and GT Limited. Both to be manual transmission. Any rebates offered? PM me. Looking forward to hearing from you. Thanks!

[darock_sayz]

I had the same problem, solution was easy, I cut a small piece of black electrical tape, and stick on top of position which said DRL off.:cheesygri
And to further make my arguement took the window sticker, which clearly said Daytime Running Light:cheesygri, with me to another CT, and car passed with flying colours. One canadian tire even told me that I need my Odometer converted to KMs. I complained to RIV about that CT location as that ediot wrote "failed" on the worksheet. RIV instantly emailed me a new worksheet and I went to third location.

LOL - I thought about the black tape instantly and might give it a try on Saturday y. Failing that, what is the legitimate way to get the off switch not working or have them come on automatically ? Anyone can recommend someone in BC, not sure if Toyota would do it for me ?

Also - do you need a provincial inspection in BC, Can Tire kept telling me I do.

Thanks in advance!

[perd]

Yep, I imported an Element. I did receive a recall letter form the dealer. But RIV stated the recall info on the screen would be suffucient.

Call RIV to double check

Honda USA will be no help what so ever. Not to sure about Honda Canada. When I first approached them about warrenty questions they were not helpfull at all.

Mike

Hello,

Has anyone here imported a new Honda Accord into Canada? I saw from previous posting that warranty will not be valid on either side, but with about 6K saving it might worth to take the risk, and count on Honda quality.

Is it accecptable for RIV if I get a value package? Does it need Daytime Running light installation?

If there is a recall later, can I still get it fixed even without a warranty?

Thanks.:)

[Gromit]

I want to confirm that I spoke directly to the US border crossing at Alexandria Bay NY and I can drive right in on a brand new car with Mfr cert of Origin (untitled car) ...check with your local US border crossing directly, but I do not need to get a copy to them 72 hrs in advance...Only if it was a car with a title.........

I have called the number (315)482-2261 at Alexandria Bay port, seems I need to UPS the "original copy of the COO" to the office 72 hours prior to crossing.

Good ol' Alexandria. They're like a box of chocolates... :cheesygri

When dealing with these guys, it's always a good idea to either be prepared to sit there for three days, or have faxed a copy to Buffalo, etc.

[develop]

LOL - I thought about the black tape instantly and might give it a try on Saturday y. Failing that, what is the legitimate way to get the off switch not working or have them come on automatically ? Anyone can recommend someone in BC, not sure if Toyota would do it for me ?

Also - do you need a provincial inspection in BC, Can Tire kept telling me I do.

Thanks in advance!

There are so many places to go for your inspection,check the paper Riv sent to you. I Went to a Truck service center in Delta, they were very friendly ,not picky at all.
I heard about the provincial inspection, but I took chance and went to an ICBC angency earlier this month, they insured my new car without asking that.

[RRKnight]

To all the RFD who imported the outback from the US. Where did you go for the extended warranty and did you also get the lifetime rust proof package?

[spdztr]

We just got 2 Tribecas from Karl at Van Bortel Subaru today. Huge savings and pleasure to deal with. Would recommend Karl to anybody looking for an awesome deal on Subaru. Thank you to all the people sharing info and personal experiences on the forum!


So how much did you pay for the Tribeca?

[johnsa]

Warranty was a big issue for me. Here is quote from their warranty policy posted online: (http://www.nissanusa.com/pdf/warranty/2007_Wrnty.pdf)

This only SUPPORTS the idea that the warranty is valid in North America, as it refers to touring outside of the USA AND CANADA...........

[johnsa]

Good ol' Alexandria. They're like a box of chocolates... :cheesygri

When dealing with these guys, it's always a good idea to either be prepared to sit there for three days, or have faxed a copy to Buffalo, etc.


GREAT IDEA!!I am just going to fax the C.O.O to Lewiston as a back up plan! Just in case Alexandria Bay does not work out (I have now spoken to and have names of 3 officers and a supervisor who assure me I can show up with original C.O.O, as long as there is not title)

[DrXenon]

About the Camry Daytime Running Lights issue, I think (IANAL) that the relevant section is :

(54) Subject to subsections (55) and (56), daytime running lamps shall be on continuously when the engine is operating and the master lighting switch is not in the headlamps on position.

In the Camry's case, it doesn't meet this criterion if the switch is in the off position.

I think to make it legal you'd have to open up the stalk and do a little rewiring. Alternatively, you could hardwire the headlights to be fully on all the time.

Before I went to that trouble, though, I'd be taking the car to be inspected at every Canadian Tire within a 50 km radius to find an inspector who hasn't read the law too closely!

[michelb]

About the Camry Daytime Running Lights issue, I think (IANAL) that the relevant section is :

(54) Subject to subsections (55) and (56), daytime running lamps shall be on continuously when the engine is operating and the master lighting switch is not in the headlamps on position.

In the Camry's case, it doesn't meet this criterion if the switch is in the off position.

I think to make it legal you'd have to open up the stalk and do a little rewiring. Alternatively, you could hardwire the headlights to be fully on all the time.

Before I went to that trouble, though, I'd be taking the car to be inspected at every Canadian Tire within a 50 km radius to find an inspector who hasn't read the law too closely!

Or it might be worth doing a bit more research on the car itself - if it's like the Sienna, you just need to use a fuse to activate the DRL.

I wouldn't hardwire the lights to go on all the time (although that's exactly what I did when I imported a used car a few months ago).

You can also buy the DRL add-on module from CT for about $25 but that requires you to splice a few wires.

[S N Frost]

For anyone temped to try and take advantage of Chrysler's new lifetime warranty:

Canadians who buy Chrysler vehicles in the U.S. would lose the lifetime warranty once it crossed the border, the [Chrysler] spokesperson said.

[shopper-X]

I just spoke to Nissan USA and read the warranty info on their website. The rep (who confirmed with a supervisor) confirmed that the warranty is valid because I am the original owner and it has never been titled. I will call them to register it just as I did when I bought my existing 04 Maxima and 06 Quest. If the dealer gives me any issues, I will refer them to Nissan USA AND show them the warranty info.....

No worries......

JohnUSA, you are covered according to the telephone call I just had with both Nissan USA and Infiniti USA.

Nissan USA: 1-800-NISSAN-1
Spoke with a great lady that gave me her full name, extention, and a CASE#.

Infiniti USA: 1-800-662-6200 option 7
Spoke with a guy, again gave me his full name, extention, and a CASE#

They both said that the warranty is valid from DAY 1 and if the dealer gives me a hassle to call back and quote the CASE#.
The Infiniti guy also said that the website is confusing and incorrect and that Legal is looking in to clearing things up soon. Both even asked for my address and told me the closest US dealers to shop at. Now that is service!

So I would advise you to call in and create a CASE#, if the dealer hassles you, call in from the dealer, quote the CASE# and have them hear it.

Final words...Nissan/Infiniti is playing fair unlike Honda/Acura and Toyota/Lexus.

[tzcnd]

I had the same problem, solution was easy, I cut a small piece of black electrical tape, and stick on top of position which said DRL off.:cheesygri
And to further make my arguement took the window sticker, which clearly said Daytime Running Light:cheesygri, with me to another CT, and car passed with flying colours. One canadian tire even told me that I need my Odometer converted to KMs. I complained to RIV about that CT location as that ediot wrote "failed" on the worksheet. RIV instantly emailed me a new worksheet and I went to third location.

CT is so f****** stupid. Can you actually imagine these morons working on your car.

[johnsa]

I just did the same..they provided me with a file number for any future problems and at the same time they are going to prepare and fax me the recall clearance letter.

No WORRIES!:cheesygri

[tzcnd]

JohnUSA, you are covered according to the telephone call I just had with both Nissan USA and Infiniti USA.

Nissan USA: 1-800-NISSAN-1
Spoke with a great lady that gave me her full name, extention, and a CASE#.

Infiniti USA: 1-800-662-6200 option 7
Spoke with a guy, again gave me his full name, extention, and a CASE#

They both said that the warranty is valid from DAY 1 and if the dealer gives me a hassle to call back and quote the CASE#.
The Infiniti guy also said that the website is confusing and incorrect and that Legal is looking in to clearing things up soon. Both even asked for my address and told me the closest US dealers to shop at. Now that is service!

So I would advise you to call in and create a CASE#, if the dealer hassles you, call in from the dealer, quote the CASE# and have them hear it.

Final words...Nissan/Infiniti is playing fair unlike Honda/Acura and Toyota/Lexus.



Good to see another choice when looking to purchase in the U.S.

[diigii]

Good to see another choice when looking to purchase in the U.S.

I guess I can decide now to go and proceed with dealing with my Chicago dealer. I am getting the Altima SE V6 6-spd through Costco's Auto Buying Program in the US. Too bad, there are no Costco locations around the Buffalo area. That's why I decided to go in Chicago since I have a friend I can crash in for a few days. I tried West Herr Nissan but they didn't have my color.

[michelb]

...

Final words...Nissan/Infiniti is playing fair unlike Honda/Acura and Toyota/Lexus.

I'm not sure I'd say they are better than Toyota; don't forget that with Nissan, you can't buy a used car unless it's more than 6 months old and if you do buy new and import to Canada, warranty will become void if you need to sell within 6 months (e.g. lose job, etc). Toyota is giving Canadians a hard time buying new but if you get one, the warranty is good with no conditions and you can buy any used Toyota with no hassles and no issues.

[kellan165]

I just phoned the Nissan USA number as well and also was told the same thing....as long as it is a new vehicle and you don't sell the vehicle within the first 6 months, the warranty is valid from day 1. They will also fax you a copy of the recall letter.

[diigii]

I just phoned the Nissan USA number as well and also was told the same thing....as long as it is a new vehicle and you don't sell the vehicle within the first 6 months, the warranty is valid from day 1. They will also fax you a copy of the recall letter.

That is good to hear. I am keeping the car for good, just like what I did with my 2000 Altima SE. I am a keeper! :cheesygri Thanks to all of you who have done the work for the rest of us.

[shopper-X]

I'm not sure I'd say they are better than Toyota; don't forget that with Nissan, you can't buy a used car unless it's more than 6 months old and if you do buy new and import to Canada, warranty will become void if you need to sell within 6 months (e.g. lose job, etc). Toyota is giving Canadians a hard time buying new but if you get one, the warranty is good with no conditions and you can buy any used Toyota with no hassles and no issues.

If you are going to sell within the first six month it probably to make a profit. If you lose your job and HAVE to sell it, make arrange with the buyer that it must be your name for the X number of remaining. Or have a small LOC ready to make the payments and sell it after the six months is over and pay off the car loan and LOC with the profit you just made.

[Venom]

Anyone Import an INfiniti? I'm looking at the G35 right now.

[drayog]

Those of you from BC if you bought in Wash St, did you pay tax for a used vehicle ??

[crasher]

LOL - I thought about the black tape instantly and might give it a try on Saturday y. Failing that, what is the legitimate way to get the off switch not working or have them come on automatically ? Anyone can recommend someone in BC, not sure if Toyota would do it for me ?

Also - do you need a provincial inspection in BC, Can Tire kept telling me I do.

Thanks in advance!

I dont know about BC, but in Ontario you do NOT need provicial safety, no matter what CT tell you. All 3 CT I went to insisted to have provincial safety done, but I refused. As long your car is not registered before, you dont need provicial safety. My car was registered by my uncle under his name, still he didnt have to get the safety, and had to pay PST only once.
So if you buy a car in US and sell before 14 days, you dont have to pay taxes twice.:cheesygri

[tzcnd]

I guess I can decide now to go and proceed with dealing with my Chicago dealer. I am getting the Altima SE V6 6-spd through Costco's Auto Buying Program in the US. Too bad, there are no Costco locations around the Buffalo area. That's why I decided to go in Chicago since I have a friend I can crash in for a few days. I tried West Herr Nissan but they didn't have my color.

Check around with a few other dealers and see what kind of price you can get from them. I have heard of more than a few people who have been able to get better prices on their own than what was offered by the Costco Auto Buying Program.

A great free resource for finding out what others are paying is www.edmunds.com (http://www.edmunds.com)

[hfx_chris]

I just want to make sure I'm 100% on a couple of points:

72 hours before crossing, I fax (or rather, get the dealer to fax) the certificate of origin to the US customs office... is that the only thing I need to send them in advance?

As for registration, the vehicle will be temporarily registered in the state in which I buy it from by the dealer (in my case looks like it might be New Hampshire), which will let me drive it through NH and Maine to the New Brunswick border... then I need a temporary registration permit for the province of New Brunswick to take it the rest of the way?

Exciting.

[okano]

does anyone know what is DMV fee?

[hfx_chris]

Registration fee charged by your province's registry of motor vehicles (or whatever it's called in your province).

[Kamloops]

From Customs in Blaine - Truck Crossing.

Please read through entire information packet it should answer any questions that you have, if you still have questions e-mail us with your question and we will be happy to help you.
Bureau of Customs & Border Protection Phone: (360) 332-2632
Vehicle/Equipment Outbound Team Fax: (360) 332-2639
9901 Pacific Highway E-Mail: blaine-export@customs.treas.gov
Blaine, WA 98230-9299
Export Hours: 8:00am – 3:30pm Monday-Friday
NO EXPORTATIONS AFTER 3:30 PM
NO EXPORTATIONS ON WEEKENDS or HOLIDAYS
(Holiday Closures for 2007 Jan 1, Jan. 15, Feb 19, May 28, July 4, Sept 3,
Oct 8, Nov 12, Nov 22, Dec 25)
This requirement ONLY pertains to LAND BASED / SELF PROPELLED vehicles
Required Documents
These Documents must be on file with our office for 3-business days prior to export!!!!
1. U.S. CUSTOMS & BORDER PROTECTION/NICB VEHICLE /EQUIPMENT EXPORT WORKSHEET. http://abouttime.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/blaine-export-worksheet.pdf(This document is always required.)
2. Title/Certificate of Ownership, which includes Salvage title, rebuilt title, or flood title. (Because Washington State does not issue a Salvage title the required document to export a salvaged vehicle out of Washington is a PUBLIC DISCLOSURE FORM, which can be obtained from the Department of Licensing in Olympia. Contact Washington Department of Licensing Public Disclosure Section at (360) 902-3760 for further information.)
3. Bill of sale, this can be a hand written document between buyer and seller. If vehicle was a gift a letter of gift can be substituted for bill of sale. If you are the titled owner of the vehicle a bill of sale is not required.
A few common exceptions
1. Vehicle’s that are being financed through a U.S. based lender often do not have a titled issued for that vehicle. A letter from the finance company granting permission for that vehicle to leave the country can be used in lieu of title.
2. Off road vehicles often do not have titles issued to them in those cases an invoice can be used in lieu of title.
3. Brand new vehicles bought from dealerships will not have a title. Manufactures Statement of Origin, (MSO) or a Certificate of Origin can be used in lieu of a title.
Once all required documents have been obtained, fax the documents to our office at 360.332.2639. Documents may also be hand delivered to our office or we can accept them via e-mail if you have the ability. These documents must be on file, in our office, 3-business days prior to you physically taking the vehicle into Canada. It will not take less then 3-business days to process these documents; during this 3-day period, the vehicle must remain in the United States. Here are examples of how to calculate when the vehicle will be ready for export. If you submit the paper work on Monday, the vehicle will be ready for export on Thursday, as long as there are no holidays with in that time frame. If you submit the paperwork on Thursday your vehicle will not be ready for export until the following Tuesday. Any paper work received after 3:00pm will not be processed until the following day, meaning the 3-day clock will not start until the following day. Weekends do not count towards the 3-day period. Once again, the
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vehicle must be in the United States during the 3 Business day period!!! If the vehicle is already in Canada and you wish to export it, the vehicle must be brought back to the United States for the 3-day period!!!!!!!!
Checking Status of your paper work (do not assume that your fax was received)
1-2 days after submitting documents to our office, send us an email stating that you are checking the status of your vehicle. Make sure email includes Year, Make, Model, and what state vehicle is titled in. If there is a carrier company that will be transporting the vehicle across the border include carry company name. If email is not available to you, call our message service and leave the same information as well as a contact number. EMAIL: blaine-export@customs.treas.gov. Phone number to message service: 360.332.2632.
Day of Export
After the 3-buisness day requirement has been met and your vehicle has been cleared for export bring vehicle and ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS to our office during hours of operation which are 8:00am - 3:30pm Mon-Friday.
Directions:
Exit Interstate 5 at exit 275. Proceed through two stoplights, Boblett and H Street. Continue up and over a small hill, at the bottom of the hill, there will be a turnout on the left side of the road, leading around a small building with a sign that reads KIOSK, park next to that building. Carefully cross the lanes of traffic that are entering the U.S., and proceed into the Customs and Border Protection building. Once inside, we are located on the left side of the lobby, just past the first counter.
Storage Information
Pantec Storage
Contact phone number: 360.332.6111
Yorky’s Gas Station
Contact phone number: 360.332.4341
A to Z Self Storage
Contact phone number: 360.332.8016
C & G Sales & Rentals
Contact phone number: 360.961.1045



Frequently Asked Questions
Here are some of the most frequently asked questions we received. If your question is not answered then please feel free to contact us via e-mail or phone.
1. Do you need originals at the time of application for export?
When you submit the application to our office, it is NOT necessary to send us the originals. A copy of all three of the required documents is sufficient to start the process.
2. What if I don’t have the original title?
You will have to get one.
3. Do I need to have the title issued in my name?
No. It is unnecessary for you to have title issued in your name. All that is required is to have the original title and a legal transfer of ownership (bill-of-sale). If you have the vehicle title transferred into your name, you will only delay the process.
4. What if the state I am purchasing the vehicle in has a paperless title issued?
You will have to wait until you receive the paper title. We are not able to communicate with the states that have paperless titles.
5. What if I purchased a vehicle that has an electronic / paperless title?
We will not be able to start the export process until you have received the paper title.
6. Can I have the seller FAX you in a copy of the title and I’ll FAX the worksheet?
No, due to the volume of applications we receive, we are unable to receive partial applications and match them up with each other. Please only submit complete applications to our office.
7. What happens if I have already taken my car to Canada and need to export it?
You will have to bring the vehicle back to the United States and submit the application to export. The vehicle must then stay inside the United States until the 72-business hours have elapsed and your vehicle has been cleared for export.
8. What if I cannot get to your office during your normal business hours?
While we cannot tell you what to do, we would suggest that you either have someone you trust export the vehicle during our normal business hours or you can pay a company to export it.
9. Is there any way to expedite the 72-hour process?
No. Our Federal Law mandates this timeframe.
10. Can I take my vehicle to Canada during the export process?
No.
11. Do I still have to wait for 72-business hours if I have an MSO?
Yes.

[hfx_chris]

Ok, so you have to fax them your COO, export worksheet (where do I get this?), and bill of sale.
So... how do I fax them a bill of sale if I haven't bought the car yet? My plan is to get the dealer to fax the stuff to the border, then 2 days later I swoop down to the US, sign the papers at the dealer, pay him his money, spend a night (do a little shopping), then boot it up to the border crossing.
Don't tell me I have to spend 3 nights in the US after purchasing the car, waiting to satisfy the US border folks 3 day rule...

[james-007]

Ok, so you have to fax them your COO, export worksheet (where do I get this?), and bill of sale.
So... how do I fax them a bill of sale if I haven't bought the car yet? My plan is to get the dealer to fax the stuff to the border, then 2 days later I swoop down to the US, sign the papers at the dealer, pay him his money, spend a night (do a little shopping), then boot it up to the border crossing.
Don't tell me I have to spend 3 nights in the US after purchasing the car, waiting to satisfy the US border folks 3 day rule...

Pay for the vehicle ahead of time or spend 3 days in the US.
I paid ahead of time. After you have paid for the vehicle you or the dealer can do the paper work and fax to the border you plan to cross. 3 days laster cross the border with original documents.

[ExcitedCanuck]

If anyone has any pointers to an US BMW dealer near the Ontario border or
that is willing to sell to Canadians 2007 brand new, demo or slightly used ( less than 5,000 miles) cars, I'd really appreciate a PM.

Thank you in advance!

[dntn]

Hi

I am in Southern Ontario and recently purchased a 2006 Cadillac STS4, 6 cylinder, all wheel drive, with navigation, sunroof and every other option you could imagine for $36,500US in Michigan. It had 11,000km when I purchased it from a Cadillac dealer as a demo unit.

List price here is about $74,000 plus. Dealer had similar demo units for about $65,000, which could probably have been negotiated down to $55,000. With the exchange rate what it is, it just didn't make sense.

No problem bringing across the border, and have brought it in for warranty service with no issues.

Dealer here said that they are used to dealing with import vehicles and have treated me at least as good as with the other cadillacs that I have purchased locally. Kudos to Dan Kane Cadillac.

[Kamloops]

Ok, so you have to fax them your COO, export worksheet (where do I get this?), and bill of sale.
So... how do I fax them a bill of sale if I haven't bought the car yet? My plan is to get the dealer to fax the stuff to the border, then 2 days later I swoop down to the US, sign the papers at the dealer, pay him his money, spend a night (do a little shopping), then boot it up to the border crossing.
Don't tell me I have to spend 3 nights in the US after purchasing the car, waiting to satisfy the US border folks 3 day rule...

export worksheet http://abouttime.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/blaine-export-worksheet.pdf

[UTSC]

I bought a Hyundai Santa Fe yesterday and the Buffalo dealer got me a 60 day temp registration permit [Inter State Transit Permit] and I went through all the processes and paid the GST and RIV fees at the border. They told me that the will mail a package within 10 days and I have to take if from there.

Now can I drive my vehicle in Ontario with the NY Inter State Transit permit until I register the vehicle?

[eljay]

I bought a Hyundai Santa Fe yesterday and the Buffalo dealer got me a 60 day temp registration permit [Inter State Transit Permit] and I went through all the processes and paid the GST and RIV fees at the border. They told me that the will mail a package within 10 days and I have to take if from there.

Now can I drive my vehicle in Ontario with the NY Inter State Transit permit until I register the vehicle?

Yes. Just keep your form from Canada customs in the car. That form is actually your temp registration until you get the car properly registered in ON.

[eljay]

Are there any time restrictions on selling an imported car in Canada? Can you do it right away?

I couldn't find any official answer.

Thanks!

[DrXenon]

UTSC, if you haven't done it already, you better call your insurance agent to make sure you're covered in your new car.

[UTSC]

Thanks guys for the quick response. Yes I did call my insurance company and thy first faxed the temp insurance certificate and then mailed the "pink slip" for my new vehicle.

Importing was so much easier because of the information provide by the member s of this forum.

Once gain Thank you everybody for sharing your experience in this forum.

[tzcnd]

I bought a Hyundai Santa Fe yesterday and the Buffalo dealer got me a 60 day temp registration permit [Inter State Transit Permit] and I went through all the processes and paid the GST and RIV fees at the border. They told me that the will mail a package within 10 days and I have to take if from there.

Now can I drive my vehicle in Ontario with the NY Inter State Transit permit until I register the vehicle?

Don't believe the 10 day thing. After 10 days I called RIV and although they had my case # (or whatever they call it) in the system Canada Customs had not yet faxed them a copy of form 1. I had to fax them the copy of form 1 that I had. This got the process moving.

Don't wait for them to mail you form 2. Call them in a few days and if they have already received form 1 from Canada Customs then they can email you form 2 almost immediately and you can head over to CT and finish the process.

[brendonp]

Anyone knows how to import private sale car from US? Thanks!

I just joined the group of "buyers", and thought I'd reply to this question as well, since I just picked up a 2005 Mini Cooper S from Virginia yesterday and drove it back. The process is basically the same as a new car; I believe that you probably only need title (though the previous owner had the Certificate of Origin as well) and a Bill of Sale. The title from Virginia actually had the sale information including the odometer report on it, so you might get away without a Bill of Sale, but I'd get one for your protection anyway.

In my case, I picked up a bank draft and grabbed an insurance binder on Thursday, flew down early Friday morning, paid for the car (had to go to the previous owners bank to verify the draft) and was on my way about an hour after I landed. The seller worked about 10 minutes from the airport so he picked me in the car, we did a quick test drive and headed over to his bank to verify the check - easy and painless. He left the plates on the vehicle (he's in the Navy and is heading oversees so he had no use for them) and I drove the vehicle straight back to Canada; about a 11 hour trip door-to-door including roughly an hour standing around waiting at the border - I actually got a "new guy" and helped with the RIV paperwork based on the info from this site, since he'd never done one before!

For those who like Coopers, it was a CR/W 2005 "S" with 25k kms (~17k miles) with Sport/Premium/Cold weather packages and factory LSD - for 19K USD. I saw a few others that were slightly better deals (by ~500-1000), but I talked a fair bit with the seller and he was easy to work with and left me with a good "vibe" - and a Colonel in the Navy! ( I actually needed to go through security and get a security badge just to go to his bank!).

I figured my savings were somewhere between 8k CAN after factoring in taxes; mostly due to the specific options/colors my wife was looking for. If I didn't care about color/options I figured the savings was only about 5-6k... Still a decent savings.

[Joko77]

Hey everyone,

I already found in this thread that Honda(Acura) restricts sale to Canadiens and doesn`t honour their waranty here:evil: ,
but still did someone found a dealer and imported 2007\2008 Acura TL???

[Viddi]

:evil: I have heard of american toyata dealers refusing to sell canadians new cars, but can they refuse to sell used cars?!?!?

here is the story...I'm pissed! I called a toyota dealer who had a used honda ridgeline I was interested in (he also told me that the warranty WAS transferrable to canada, but that doesn't seem to be the case judging by other users experience?) he told me to drive down, and I could drive the vehicle, and he would get me set up. I spent a total of 11 hrs return (driving/border/dealer) to go to the dealership...and it wasn't until we sat down to do the paperwork that the salesperson comes back, and tells we that he is sorry, but they have a new policy that they don't sell to Canadians!!! I was shocked???I asked to see the manager, and I got the same story...ooops. the salesman didn't read the email I guess? :evil:

I am just curious as to whether they can do that? I can see them refusing to sell if I was an *******, or disrespectful, but that was not at all the case. substitue "Sorry we do not sell to _____________(Canadian) customers" with black, hispanic, gay, lesbian, etc...

I needed to vent, but maybe I would be more American if I threatened to sue...:confused:

Thoughts?

[hfx_chris]

So, after much thought, I've decided not to buy from the US.

I was planning on purchasing a Mazda3 sport from a dealer in New Hampshire, figured I would save around 3-4 thousand. After adding all of my expected expenses (including renting a car to get down there, ferry cost for the Nova Scotia to Maine ferry, hotel expenses, etc) plus a certain amount I budgeted for unexpected events, AND adding in my loss of wages (I don't have paid vacation or sick days) of 4 work days, which was the major expense... I might save a thousand. For all of the hassle and bother, I just decided that isn't worth it to me, so I'll buy my Mazda3 up here. Maybe if the savings were going to be a little more (or I had paid vacation time :() I would go for it, but not for what I'll be saving. But I'll be keeping this in mind for my next car, assuming this ridiculous price different between American and Canadian cars still exists!

For anyone who is interested, the only Mazda dealer I was able to locate who seemed willing to sell to Canadian buyers, was Seashore Mazda in Portsmouth, New Hampshire. All the dealers in Maine said no right off the bat.

[mre]

I bought a Hyundai Santa Fe yesterday and the Buffalo dealer got me a 60 day temp registration permit [Inter State Transit Permit] and I went through all the processes and paid the GST and RIV fees at the border. They told me that the will mail a package within 10 days and I have to take if from there.

Now can I drive my vehicle in Ontario with the NY Inter State Transit permit until I register the vehicle?

How much do you think you saved on this vehicle? Is the warranty honoured in Canada?

[RRKnight]

Don't believe the 10 day thing. After 10 days I called RIV and although they had my case # (or whatever they call it) in the system Canada Customs had not yet faxed them a copy of form 1. I had to fax them the copy of form 1 that I had. This got the process moving.

Don't wait for them to mail you form 2. Call them in a few days and if they have already received form 1 from Canada Customs then they can email you form 2 almost immediately and you can head over to CT and finish the process.

That was exactly what happened to me. After bringing the car over on last Tuesday. I called RIV on Friday and they said that they didn't receive anything from Custom. So I had to fax the Form 1 and Recall Clearance to them again. Also, I just realize I didn't get a US custom stamp on the certificate of origin. Therefore I will have to drive back to the boarder to get the stamp. I hope I don't get in trouble for this...:confused:

[azul]

viddi

that was brutal!!
I got some messages saying they can only sell used cars to Canadians.
And now they refused to sell you a used one?

Did you pay in full before you went down to pick up the car?

[kevin01]

Can anyone find me a good deal on a 2006-2007 300? Ive been looking online, but the deals arent that much better than what you can get here. Looking for something under 25 000.

[pmdoit]

Can anyone find me a good deal on a 2006-2007 300? Ive been looking online, but the deals arent that much better than what you can get here. Looking for something under 25 000.
with or without delivery:lol:

[crasher]

Just to assure others who were turned down by Toyota dealers. After succussfully importing 3 new toyotas last month. I bought another new Camry Hybrid today. Savings were not as much as in other cars, but still around 6K, which were enough for me.:cheesygri

[mmonro]

:evil: I have heard of american toyata dealers refusing to sell canadians new cars, but can they refuse to sell used cars?!?!?

here is the story...I'm pissed! I called a toyota dealer who had a used honda ridgeline I was interested in (he also told me that the warranty WAS transferrable to canada, but that doesn't seem to be the case judging by other users experience?) he told me to drive down, and I could drive the vehicle, and he would get me set up. I spent a total of 11 hrs return (driving/border/dealer) to go to the dealership...and it wasn't until we sat down to do the paperwork that the salesperson comes back, and tells we that he is sorry, but they have a new policy that they don't sell to Canadians!!! I was shocked???I asked to see the manager, and I got the same story...ooops. the salesman didn't read the email I guess? :evil:

I am just curious as to whether they can do that? I can see them refusing to sell if I was an *******, or disrespectful, but that was not at all the case. substitue "Sorry we do not sell to _____________(Canadian) customers" with black, hispanic, gay, lesbian, etc...

I needed to vent, but maybe I would be more American if I threatened to sue...:confused:

Thoughts?

I just imported on 07 Sienna and my experience with toyota dealers was all were willing to sell you a used totoya or another other used model on the lot to canadians.However, many would not sell you a brand new toyota. For them not sell you a used Honda is very strange policy. Toyota USA has been sending memo's to their dealer(especially those close to the border) not to sell brand new toyota to Canadian. They should have no problem selling a used car to Canadian. That dealer screwed you and I would have been pissed too.

[shopper-X]

Can anyone find me a good deal on a 2006-2007 300? Ive been looking online, but the deals arent that much better than what you can get here. Looking for something under 25 000.

AFAIK Chrysler does not honour the warranty and you'll have to find a 3rd party warranty if you want one.

I read here someone talking to Dodge and they want to slowdown the importing. I'm thinking it's the same for Chrysler.

[darock_sayz]

In regards to Toyota dealers and selling to Canadians...here is my experience...Washington State area

I successfully imported my 07 new Camry last week with a little scare. A day before I could not get a hold of my sales guy, I was told he was in meetings something did not seem right. Since, I had wired my money and agreed on pickup date, I did not care and made way down. My car was ready and the first thing the sales guy said was "This is last car we can sell to Canadians and he had to fight like mad to sell mine. Apparently those meeting the day before were Toyota USA reading the riot act to this dealer! He told me the guy was going to a select others in the state that were still selling, but overall it looks like it is going to be very difficult getting a new Toyota. This is a dealer that many on this board have used and recommended to me.

[darock_sayz]

I had the same problem, solution was easy, I cut a small piece of black electrical tape, and stick on top of position which said DRL off.:cheesygri
And to further make my arguement took the window sticker, which clearly said Daytime Running Light:cheesygri, with me to another CT, and car passed with flying colours. One canadian tire even told me that I need my Odometer converted to KMs. I complained to RIV about that CT location as that ediot wrote "failed" on the worksheet. RIV instantly emailed me a new worksheet and I went to third location.

LOL - The black tape worked! Canadian Tire at its finest...thanks! Take note Camry importers!

[jokerstone]

anyone have success with any honda dealers , closer to the ontario border?

[CanAm]

In regards to Toyota dealers and selling to Canadians...here is my experience...Washington State area

I successfully imported my 07 new Camry last week with a little scare. A day before I could not get a hold of my sales guy, I was told he was in meetings something did not seem right. Since, I had wired my money and agreed on pickup date, I did not care and made way down. My car was ready and the first thing the sales guy said was "This is last car we can sell to Canadians and he had to fight like mad to sell mine. Apparently those meeting the day before were Toyota USA reading the riot act to this dealer! He told me the guy was going to a select others in the state that were still selling, but overall it looks like it is going to be very difficult getting a new Toyota. This is a dealer that many on this board have used and recommended to me.


Looks like Oregon now for us in BC.

[crasher]

LOL - The black tape worked! Canadian Tire at its finest...thanks! Take note Camry importers!

Congratulations! I saved my tape for the next car :lol:

[Viddi]

viddi

that was brutal!!
I got some messages saying they can only sell used cars to Canadians.
And now they refused to sell you a used one?

Did you pay in full before you went down to pick up the car?

No, I didn't pay in full, but I did activate a loan before i went down, and now I am paying interest on it right now...

[chadw01]

In regards to Toyota dealers and selling to Canadians...here is my experience...Washington State area

I successfully imported my 07 new Camry last week with a little scare. A day before I could not get a hold of my sales guy, I was told he was in meetings something did not seem right. Since, I had wired my money and agreed on pickup date, I did not care and made way down. My car was ready and the first thing the sales guy said was "This is last car we can sell to Canadians and he had to fight like mad to sell mine. Apparently those meeting the day before were Toyota USA reading the riot act to this dealer! He told me the guy was going to a select others in the state that were still selling, but overall it looks like it is going to be very difficult getting a new Toyota. This is a dealer that many on this board have used and recommended to me.

Looks like the West folk will start feeling the crunch we here out East have been feeling with Toyota dealerships for quite some time..

[KillaB]

Looks like the West folk will start feeling the crunch we here out East have been feeling with Toyota dealerships for quite some time..

Let's start class action lawsuits against Transport Canada (ecoAUTO Program) and Toyota USA.
Who here that wants a Toyota has the most time on their hands?

P.S. Type "eco rebate" (without the quotes) into google and see what comes up as the first link ;)

[yyz2hkg]

Just to assure others who were turned down by Toyota dealers. After succussfully importing 3 new toyotas last month. I bought another new Camry Hybrid today. Savings were not as much as in other cars, but still around 6K, which were enough for me.:cheesygri

I thought you were only allowed to import 2 vehicles per year, unless you have a business/licensed broker to import more than that a year? Can anyone confirm?

[KillaB]

I thought you were only allowed to import 2 vehicles per year, unless you have a business/licensed broker to import more than that a year? Can anyone confirm?

One was for his uncle IIRC.

[crasher]

I thought you were only allowed to import 2 vehicles per year, unless you have a business/licensed broker to import more than that a year? Can anyone confirm?

All 3 vehicles were imported by different family members, we went together and came back together. I gave mine car to my uncle, and would import another for myself now. I think I would be fine, as this is my second car.

[yyz2hkg]

All 3 vehicles were imported by different family members, we went together and came back together. I gave mine car to my uncle, and would import another for myself now. I think I would be fine, as this is my second car.

Cheers! I was wondering b/c hypothetically, what happens when you import more than your quota? Do they charge you extra?

Well, as I said before, everyone should jump on this deal before this all comes to a screeching halt. From the last couple of pages, certain dealers are flat out denying Canadians from purchasing the same product for considerably less. Good Luck to all!

[michelb]

Cheers! I was wondering b/c hypothetically, what happens when you import more than your quota? Do they charge you extra?

Weel, as I said before, everyone should jump on this deal before this all comes to a screeching halt. From the last couple of pages, certain dealers are flat out denying Canadians from purchasing the same product for considerably less. Good Luck to all!

I believe this 'quota' is just a value someone made up somewhere. I don't believe there is technically a limit of how many times you can import vehicles although if you are doing it more than x times a year, RevenueCanada could argue that you are doing this as a business and thus need to pay taxes (also car sales are regulated (in Ontario at least) and you need to have permits, etc (i.e. not a curbsider - which is illegal)). The only issue here is a taxation / legal / business issue and has nothing to do with the actual importing.

As far as jumping on the deal before it comes to a halt, certainly it's possible that more and more manufacturers / dealers are trying to reduce it but I do not believe it will ever come to a halt. There's nothing wrong / illegal / whatever with buying any product in the US (or elsewhere) and importing it into Canada and while they can try to restrict new cars, I don't really don't think it will get too far - the dealers / manufacturers in the US for the most part have no problem with it, it's the ones in Canada that are trying to prevent it and they can't really do that much before the practice becomes illegal because it's 'anti-competitive'. Used cars will always be available.

[brendonp]

Cheers! I was wondering b/c hypothetically, what happens when you import more than your quota? Do they charge you extra?

Weel, as I said before, everyone should jump on this deal before this all comes to a screeching halt. From the last couple of pages, certain dealers are flat out denying Canadians from purchasing the same product for considerably less. Good Luck to all!

In Ontario I believe you are allowed to sell 6 vehicles per year before being considered a "dealer"; this information comes from a friend of mine who just recently got his dealer license (he's getting close to retiring and is considering just importing cars on the side when he does). He wasn't aware of any limit in terms of importing vehicles, though obviously you couldn't sell more then 6 without having questions come at you from the CCRA... His dealer papers also "streamline" the importation process, though I didn't ask him what this really meant - he just mentioned it in passing.

[scouzi]

I believe this 'quota' is just a value someone made up somewhere. I don't believe there is technically a limit of how many times you can import vehicles although if you are doing it more than x times a year, RevenueCanada could argue that you are doing this as a business and thus need to pay taxes (also car sales are regulated (in Ontario at least) and you need to have permits, etc (i.e. not a curbsider - which is illegal)). The only issue here is a taxation / legal / business issue and has nothing to do with the actual importing.

As far as jumping on the deal before it comes to a halt, certainly it's possible that more and more manufacturers / dealers are trying to reduce it but I do not believe it will ever come to a halt. There's nothing wrong / illegal / whatever with buying any product in the US (or elsewhere) and importing it into Canada and while they can try to restrict new cars, I don't really don't think it will get too far - the dealers / manufacturers in the US for the most part have no problem with it, it's the ones in Canada that are trying to prevent it and they can't really do that much before the practice becomes illegal because it's 'anti-competitive'. Used cars will always be available.

And the more they try to stop it the more they bring attention to their illegal tactics. It amazes me that they even publicly acknowledge these dealer restrictions.

In the past, the EU had allowed car companies to restrict import/export between member countries. The car companies took advantage of this exemption and large price variances existed between countries. The EU put a stop to this and removed the car companies exemption privileges.

I would boycott companies that have these agreements. (ie Toyota, Mazda, Audi , BMW etc). Buy another brand entirely.

[jcon]

Difference- The EU is a common market and the North America is not. There is nothing in NAFTA forces an American company to sell to a Canadian. Completely different situation.

The only way you could fight this and win, would be to take them to a US court claiming discrimination. And you would lose, or if by some miracle you won, the company wouldn't honour the warranty - which they could do.

[scouzi]

Difference- The EU is a common market and the North America is not. There is nothing in NAFTA forces an American company to sell to a Canadian. Completely different situation.

The only way you could fight this and win, would be to take them to a US court claiming discrimination. And you would lose, or if by some miracle you won, the company wouldn't honour the warranty - which they could do.

I am no expert but I believe that under NAFTA, the parties must mutally work together to prevent anti-competitive behavior that work against the spirit of the agreement.

In this case, unless the US government sues Toyota, don't expect the canadian government to do anything about this. They protect companies before voters and consumers.

[azul]

from the thread, it's like Subaru is very Canadian friendly.I'll definitely consider their car next time.
who else is restricting the sales to Canadians?
how about Lexus, Acura and Infiniti?

thanks

[Viddi]

Difference- The EU is a common market and the North America is not. There is nothing in NAFTA forces an American company to sell to a Canadian. Completely different situation.

The only way you could fight this and win, would be to take them to a US court claiming discrimination. And you would lose, or if by some miracle you won, the company wouldn't honour the warranty - which they could do.

Was there not an classa ction suit recently for this excat thing...only in reverse? According to NAFTA, isn't it illegal to artificially reeduce copetitiion in a specified market? By limiting who they sell to, they are artificially maintaining high prices in Canada. This is wrong! I don't know the exact outcome of teh case, but here is a link to the case:
\
http://www.naata.org/pdfs/Toyota%202006.pdf

Anybody know a good class action lawyer?


PS. why would I lose a discrimination case?

[shopper-X]

from the thread, it's like Subaru is very Canadian friendly.I'll definitely consider their car next time.
who else is restricting the sales to Canadians?
how about Lexus, Acura and Infiniti?

thanks

Nissan/Infiniti is NOT restricting sales and you get the warranty if you buy NEW or USED if registered for more then 6 month in the USA first.


Honda is NOT restricting sales, but you get NO warranty.
***Acura = UNSURE...Anyone know for sure???
VW/Audi are restricting sales, (do not know about warranty).

Toyota/Lexus is restricting sales, but you get FULL warranty.

Other can add to the list to help out or correct me if I'm wrong.

[scouzi]

Nissan/Infiniti is NOT restricting sales and you get the warranty if you buy NEW or USED if registered for more then 6 month in the USA first.

Honda/Acura is NOT restricting sales, but you get NO warranty.

Toyota/Lexus is restricting sales, but you get FULL warranty.

Other can add to the list to help out or correct me if I'm wrong.

Apparently, Audi,VW and Acura don't allow sales to Canadians:

http://www.lewisautos.com/sales-to-non-us-citizens.htm

As far as Nissan, you will get a different answer from Nissan/Infiniti Canada.

What I don't understand is why not a single car company breaking ranks in Canada to increase their market share. It seems that they have the margin to do this.

[jcon]

Car companies have a responsibility to their Car Dealers in Canada. Restricting imports protects the Canadian Dealers. The better question is why don't they just drop the prices of their cars in Canada to protect their dealers?

[scouzi]

Car companies have a responsibility to their Car Dealers in Canada. Restricting imports protects the Canadian Dealers. The better question is why don't they just drop the prices of their cars in Canada to protect their dealers?

I guess that once you lower prices, it's almost impossible to raise them after.

Another question is why don't car prices go up in the states due to the sliding US dollar?

[CanAm]

They don't drop/raise price on a whim. They try to keep the prices steady in local currency over the year. If the currency one year is strong and the next it is weak the price incrase could be huge from year to year. Very difficult for the average buyer. Also, dealers accross the country have cars on their lots, they can hardly knock $10k off the price if they only expect to make $1k to begin with based on their invoice price. I say buy in the US, there must be Toyota dealers willing to sell.

[jcon]

Dealers don't set the price the just make a portion off the sale price.

It's actually quite easy for a Car Company to adjust car prices to reflect the market. We're not talking huge swings here, just adjustments. It's also much easier to explain to customers that you raised prices a bit to reflect a weaker dollar, rather than explaining why you can't lower prices when the dollar is strong.

[S N Frost]

They don't drop/raise price on a whim. They try to keep the prices steady in local currency over the year. If the currency one year is strong and the next it is weak the price incrase could be huge from year to year. Very difficult for the average buyer. Also, dealers accross the country have cars on their lots, they can hardly knock $10k off the price if they only expect to make $1k to begin with based on their invoice price. I say buy in the US, there must be Toyota dealers willing to sell.

Its even more involved than that. Lets say that you leased a car 4 years ago when the dollar was much lower. That car's lease rate is dependent on the residual value of the car after the lease is over. If the car company in question raised an lowered the value of a car yearly as new models came out to follow currency trends and the value in the US martket, then a new car of the same model could now be worth 15 or 20% less than the comparable car 4 years ago. If this is the case, then the residual value would now be much lower than estimated, and result in the dealer taking back a car that they could be losing money on from the lease due to the faster depreciation.

When selling a product like a car, where most purchases are financed or leased, price stability and predictability is very very important, and that's why prices will not drop very quickly at all.

[scouzi]

They don't drop/raise price on a whim. They try to keep the prices steady in local currency over the year. If the currency one year is strong and the next it is weak the price incrase could be huge from year to year. Very difficult for the average buyer. Also, dealers accross the country have cars on their lots, they can hardly knock $10k off the price if they only expect to make $1k to begin with based on their invoice price. I say buy in the US, there must be Toyota dealers willing to sell.

Consumers are used to price fluctuations. If the car market was truly competitive in Canada, car companies would be unable to "set" the prices. The market forces would do it for them.

Besides, why would they lower their prices when Canadians are content to buying cars at inflated prices in record numbers.

http://www.wheels.ca/article/29496

[abowodun]

I had the same problem, solution was easy, I cut a small piece of black electrical tape, and stick on top of position which said DRL off.:cheesygri
.

My Camry comes in thru Montana soon
Did you have to pay for each of the Canadian Tire Inspections?????
So put a black tape on the DRL off (where is that located).

DO I need Pronvincial Inspection for a New Car (never registered) in Alberta?
Will Federal inspection suffice

[kellan165]

My Camry comes in thru Montana soon
Did you have to pay for each of the Canadian Tire Inspections?????
So put a black tape on the DRL off (where is that located).

DO I need Pronvincial Inspection for a New Car (never registered) in Alberta?
Will Federal inspection suffice


In Alberta, I was told that you do NOT require a provincial inspection if the car is brand new, only a federal inspection must be done at Canadian Tire which is included in your RIV fee.

[diigii]

Apparently, Audi,VW and Acura don't allow sales to Canadians:

http://www.lewisautos.com/sales-to-non-us-citizens.htm

As far as Nissan, you will get a different answer from Nissan/Infiniti Canada.

What I don't understand is why not a single car company breaking ranks in Canada to increase their market share. It seems that they have the margin to do this.

Don't call Nissan/Infiniti Canada! They will just refer you to Nissan USA. I emailed them last week and got a reply.

"For assistance, may we kindly recommend you contact Nissan North America at 1-800-647-7261, as they are in a better position to address warranty queries on U.S. vehicles.

So I did! I called Nissan USA this morning. A few of the guys here last week also called and they got responses from Nissan USA's Consumer Affairs Dept. My rep was so nice and helpful in my warranty query and in finding out if manufacturer's rebate applies to non-US residents as well. I hope she looks hot to go along with that sultry voice!

[kellan165]

Don't call Nissan/Infiniti Canada! They will just refer you to Nissan USA. I emailed them last week and got a reply.

"For assistance, may we kindly recommend you contact Nissan North America at 1-800-647-7261, as they are in a better position to address warranty queries on U.S. vehicles.

So I did! I called Nissan USA this morning. A few of the guys here last week also called and they got responses from Nissan USA's Consumer Affairs Dept. My rep was so nice and helpful in my warranty query and in finding out if manufacturer's rebate applies to non-US residents as well. I hope she looks hot to go along with that sultry voice!

diigii: What was the verdict on the manufacturer's rebate as to whether or not it applied to non-US residents? I saw someone post in another forum in Edmunds.com recently that the Nissan rebate was only valid for U.S. residents.

[Lax5]

Don't call Nissan/Infiniti Canada! They will just refer you to Nissan USA. I emailed them last week and got a reply.

"For assistance, may we kindly recommend you contact Nissan North America at 1-800-647-7261, as they are in a better position to address warranty queries on U.S. vehicles.

So I did! I called Nissan USA this morning. A few of the guys here last week also called and they got responses from Nissan USA's Consumer Affairs Dept. My rep was so nice and helpful in my warranty query and in finding out if manufacturer's rebate applies to non-US residents as well. I hope she looks hot to go along with that sultry voice!

What did Nissan USA say about their warranty on imported vehicles?
When I bought my truck at Christmas I got the $2000 rebate off the top!

[scouzi]

Don't call Nissan/Infiniti Canada! They will just refer you to Nissan USA. I emailed them last week and got a reply.

"For assistance, may we kindly recommend you contact Nissan North America at 1-800-647-7261, as they are in a better position to address warranty queries on U.S. vehicles.

So I did! I called Nissan USA this morning. A few of the guys here last week also called and they got responses from Nissan USA's Consumer Affairs Dept. My rep was so nice and helpful in my warranty query and in finding out if manufacturer's rebate applies to non-US residents as well. I hope she looks hot to go along with that sultry voice!

Strange! When I called a few months back, they refered me to Nissan Canada!

[diigii]

Well, Nissan USA said that the warranty is valid as long as the car is not sold, or in their lingo "ownership is not transferred in the first six months after the vehicle is delivered to its first owner from the dealer..." One thing I'm still confused is the part where it says "it has to be registered in the United States first." I clarified this with the guy I first talked to when I asked if he meant the temporary permit (tags) the dealer will put on the car, and he said that as long as the car has those, the car can be exported "right away."

What did Nissan USA say about their warranty on imported vehicles?
When I bought my truck at Christmas I got the $2000 rebate off the top!

[jcon]

Well, Nissan USA said that the warranty is valid as long as the car is not sold, or in their lingo "ownership is not transferred in the first six months after the vehicle is delivered to its first owner from the dealer..." One thing I'm still confused is the part where it says "it has to be registered in the United States first." I clarified this with the guy I first talked to when I asked if he meant the temporary permit (tags) the dealer will put on the car, and he said that as long as the car has those, the car can be exported "right away."

Basically, as soon as you purchase your Nissan in the US it will be registered. They're trying to stop a dealer from shipping it to Canada before 'selling' it.

[diigii]

Nissan Canada would not take these calls anymore, I guess. So, we can all assume that Nissan Canada knows that smart shoppers looking for a Nissan will head south for their cars. That group includes me. My dealer contact called me twice. I didn't returned his first call, not until I get a definitive answer from Nissan USA about the warranty coverage. I wouldn't gamble on a first-model year car costing US$24K with no warranty.

Strange! When I called a few months back, they refered me to Nissan Canada!

[darock_sayz]

In BC, when do you pay the PST ?

I registered/insured my 07 camary at the Autoplan yesterday and just realised I was not charged provincial sales tax....so when is the tax man going to come get me ??

[shopper-X]

Apparently, Audi,VW and Acura don't allow sales to Canadians:

http://www.lewisautos.com/sales-to-non-us-citizens.htm

As far as Nissan, you will get a different answer from Nissan/Infiniti Canada.

What I don't understand is why not a single car company breaking ranks in Canada to increase their market share. It seems that they have the margin to do this.

Thanks. I did not know that about Acura. I will change the post.

[diigii]

I've checked edmunds.com and they have the invoice price as US$22,246. Costco's Auto Buying Program has it listed as $22,196. West Herr quoted me US$23,074 for a white model, not my preferred precision grey metallic color.

Check around with a few other dealers and see what kind of price you can get from them. I have heard of more than a few people who have been able to get better prices on their own than what was offered by the Costco Auto Buying Program.

A great free resource for finding out what others are paying is www.edmunds.com (http://www.edmunds.com)

[Lax5]

In BC, when do you pay the PST ?

I registered/insured my 07 camary at the Autoplan yesterday and just realised I was not charged provincial sales tax....so when is the tax man going to come get me ??


The ICBC agent should have collected the PST, just as they do when a used car is bought and sold. That could be a very good strole of luck. It will be interesting to see if they can track you down and collect it, after the fact. Good luck!

[scouzi]

Thanks. I did not know that about Acura. I will change the post.

That's just what this particular dealer says. It all depends how the companies enforce and track their own rules.

[jhardy]

In Alberta, I was told that you do NOT require a provincial inspection if the car is brand new, only a federal inspection must be done at Canadian Tire which is included in your RIV fee.

http://www.infratrans.gov.ab.ca/Drivers_&_Vehicles/Motor_Vehicle_Inspection_Program/Importing_a_Vehicle_into_Alberta.htm

[diigii]

I was told to ask the Sales Dept of the prospective dealer. I asked the lady shouldn't it be Nissan USA's call since they call it "manufacturer to customer rebate." She put me on hold and asked colleagues who are more experienced and was told that: to ask the dealership's Sales Dept. My dealer contact in Chicago said I wouldn't qualify. But a Buffalo, NY area dealer said I would get it. So it really depends on the dealership, if they want to pass the rebate or not.

kellan165, you might be right.
diigii: What was the verdict on the manufacturer's rebate as to whether or not it applied to non-US residents? I saw someone post in another forum in Edmunds.com recently that the Nissan rebate was only valid for U.S. residents.

[kellan165]

http://www.infratrans.gov.ab.ca/Drivers_&_Vehicles/Motor_Vehicle_Inspection_Program/Importing_a_Vehicle_into_Alberta.htm

Hmmm...I was given this information from the Canadian Tire inspector in my area. He said as long as the car is new, I would not need any other inspections except for the federal one. But then again, this info is coming from Can. Trash.

[bionicbadger]

http://www.infratrans.gov.ab.ca/Drivers_&_Vehicles/Motor_Vehicle_Inspection_Program/Importing_a_Vehicle_into_Alberta.htm

Like it says there "As the vehicle you are registering in Alberta was last registered in another jurisdiction, it must pass an Out of Province (OOP) Vehicle Inspection.", BUT since the vehicle is new it was never registered in another jurisdiction, therefore you don't need an OOP vehicle inspection.

[jhardy]

But it has to be registered to get it to AB, unless it's carried on the back of a truck or train. And those pages say it cannot have an AB registration until it is physically in AB.

[Luckster]

But it has to be registered to get it to AB, unless it's carried on the back of a truck or train. And those pages say it cannot have an AB registration until it is physically in AB.

You don't need AB registration to get it to Alberta, you can buy a termporary permit from the state that you are buying the vehicle from. For example, in Washington state, the temp permit is good for 3 days and it cost $21. This is all you need to drive the vehicle back to Alberta.

[jhardy]

But wouldn't that count as being previously registered? There must be someone in this thread who has done it, and can give a definitive answer.

[Luckster]

But wouldn't that count as being previously registered? There must be someone in this thread who has done it, and can give a definitive answer.

I bought a Subaru Outback from Seattle in May and brought it back to Alberta, and this was the process that I used. There is no Out of province inspection as it was a new car. I only used the temp permit that I got from the dealer to drive the car back.

[whampoa]

I guess that once you lower prices, it's almost impossible to raise them after.

Another question is why don't car prices go up in the states due to the sliding US dollar?

LOL, you already answered your question with your reply to another post.

[crasher]

In BC, when do you pay the PST ?

I registered/insured my 07 camary at the Autoplan yesterday and just realised I was not charged provincial sales tax....so when is the tax man going to come get me ??

Sell it and get another:razz:

[jhardy]

...There is no Out of province inspection as it was a new car. ....
No such luck importing a new car from another province. It should be that the inspection isn't needed unless it's over 1 year old.

[fugazi11]

Just wondering if anybody knows a good site to look up where a model is manufactured? Not interested in paying duty so I would like to look up some different models.

[bionicbadger]

No such luck importing a new car from another province. It should be that the inspection isn't needed unless it's over 1 year old.

Only if you registered the car in the other province. If you buy a new car in Ontario and drive it to Alberta with the Alberta temporary registration permit you can get from a registry place, the car will never have been previously registered and you wont need an inspection.

[bionicbadger]

Just wondering if anybody knows a good site to look up where a model is manufactured? Not interested in paying duty so I would like to look up some different models.

wiki often, but not always, has this data

[shopper-X]

Just wondering if anybody knows a good site to look up where a model is manufactured? Not interested in paying duty so I would like to look up some different models.

Check the above post# 2324
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5186542&postcount=2324

here's the list of cars made in the USA by "import" manufacturers:
canadian or mexico manuf cars are not listed:

Acura TL – Marysville, Ohio
BMW X5 – Spartanburg, South Carolina
BMW Z4 – Spartanburg, South Carolina
Honda Accord – Marysville, Ohio
Honda Civic – East Liberty, Ohio
Honda Element – East Liberty, Ohio
Honda Odyssey – Lincoln, Alabama
Honda Pilot – Lincoln, Alabama
Mercedes-Benz M-Class – Vance, Alabama
Mercedes-Benz R-Class – Vance, Alabama
Mazda 6 – Flat Rock, Michigan
Mazda B-Series – Minneapolis, Minnesota
Mazda Tribute – Kansas City, Missouri
Hyundai Sonata – Montgomery, Alabama
Hyundai Santa Fe – Montgomery, Alabama
Infiniti QX56 – Canton, Mississippi
Isuzu Ascender – Moraine, Ohio and Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
Isuzu i-Series Pickup – Shreveport, Louisiana
Mitsubishi Eclipse – Normal, Illinois
Mitsubishi Endeavor – Normal, Illinois
Mitsubishi Galant – Normal, Illinois
Mitsubishi Raider – Warren, Michigan
Nissan Altima – Smyrna, Tennessee and Canton, Mississippi
Nissan Armada – Canton, Mississippi
Nissan Frontier – Smyrna, Tennessee
Nissan Maxima – Smyrna, Tennessee
Nissan Pathfinder – Smyrna, Tennessee
Nissan Quest – Canton, Mississippi
Nissan Titan – Canton, Mississippi
Nissan Xterra – Smyrna, Tennessee
Saab 9-7X – Moraine, Ohio
Subaru Baja – Lafayette, Indiana
Subaru B9 Tribeca – Lafayette, Indiana
Subaru Legacy – Lafayette, Indiana
Subaru Outback – Lafayette, Indiana
Toyota Avalon – Georgetown, Kentucky
Toyota Camry – Georgetown, Kentucky
Toyota Camry Solara – Georgetown, Kentucky
Toyota Corolla – Fremont, California
Toyota Sequoia – Princeton, Indiana
Toyota Sienna – Princeton, Indiana
Toyota Tundra – Princeton, Indiana
Toyota Tacoma – Fremont, California

[diigii]

I might head down to Niagara Falls, US tonight to negotiate with a Nissan dealer. We talked last night and he said he's not allowed to give a quote over the phone. But he said that he's willing to take a price hit on the car I'm buying since they are trying to push sales out the door so they can hit a sales target for the month of July. He might able to give me a better deal since it's the end of the month, but cannot guarantee the same deal in August. I thought he was sincere. He admitted that they are aiming for sales target, which is a legitimate sales objective.

My question is "how much less could I start from the invoice price of $22,246 quoted by edmunds.com?

[chadw01]

I might head down to Niagara Falls, US tonight to negotiate with a Nissan dealer. We talked last night and he said he's not allowed to give a quote over the phone. But he said that he's willing to take a price hit on the car I'm buying since they are trying to push sales out the door so they can hit a sales target for the month of July. He might able to give me a better deal since it's the end of the month, but cannot guarantee the same deal in August. I thought he was sincere. He admitted that they are aiming for sales target, which is a legitimate sales objective.

My question is "how much less could I start from the invoice price of $22,246 quoted by edmunds.com?

Nissan.. what model?

[diigii]

Nissan.. what model?

2007 Altima SE V6 6-spd.

[shopper-X]

2007 Altima SE V6 6-spd.

Try Edmunds.com Forums as a starting point.
Look for "Nissan Altima: Prices Paid & Buying Experience" and try a search within it.

LINK (http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/WebX?ed_displayMakeModelRelatedDiscussions@@.ef14c 39!make=Nissan&model=Altima)

[flaming homer]

I might head down to Niagara Falls, US tonight to negotiate with a Nissan dealer. We talked last night and he said he's not allowed to give a quote over the phone. But he said that he's willing to take a price hit on the car I'm buying since they are trying to push sales out the door so they can hit a sales target for the month of July. He might able to give me a better deal since it's the end of the month, but cannot guarantee the same deal in August. I thought he was sincere. He admitted that they are aiming for sales target, which is a legitimate sales objective.

My question is "how much less could I start from the invoice price of $22,246 quoted by edmunds.com?While the end-of-the-month thing is probably true with regards to his sales quota, the "no quote over the phone" is pure BS. I had a CX-7 quoted to me via e-mail by Northtown, and my entire purchase experience for the Subaru Forester was done over phone/e-mail/fax, never met the dealer until the day I showed up at the bus station to pick up the car.

[inspire]

^ I agree -- the no price over the phone is utter crap. I helped buy 2 cars for my in-laws through the phone. (Call one place ... then use that price with dealership #2 ... call back dealership # 1 ... until lowest price attained and signed that day over fax).

The reason why they want you in the store ... so they can use their sales techniques on you, so they can get you for the highest price. The end of month is a great technique -- it helps you but you have to know when to walk away. When I negotiated my deal on the TSX in December 2006 on a 2007 model ... I went in on the 30th ... got them on a really low price ($750 over invoice) but I wanted $500 over invoice. When they didn't budge ... I walked away. A week later -- they called me back and went with $500 over invoice (autos.yahoo.com has the invoice prices of every model sold in the US).

So ... if you want to make the deal, drive to Niagara Falls. Tell them you won't drive down until you know what you're getting yourself into -- that's my advice to you. They know you want to buy and might be willing to let "$500-$1000" go since they know how much the car is in Canada. Hold firm ... maybe have them do the fax-back offer to buy sign a contract thing dealers do.

autos.yahoo.com says the invoice for the 2007 Altima 3.5 SE 6MT is $22,196 + destination (freight) of $625. You might want to start with $22,750 and go from there. I'd say go no higher than $23,400. The dealership needs to make a little money and the salesguy has bills to pay. (You have to add the other things like license, administration ... but that's dealer specific.)

Good luck on your car buy.

[77_Bus_Girl]

What exactly does "dealer invoice" mean? It can't be the price they pay for it, as they wouldn't sell below invoice unless it was old stock they figured they couldn't get rid of otherwise, yet they sell "under invoice" and suck up the freight and pdi all the time...?

[flaming homer]

What exactly does "dealer invoice" mean? It can't be the price they pay for it, as they wouldn't sell below invoice unless it was old stock they figured they couldn't get rid of otherwise, yet they sell "under invoice" and suck up the freight and pdi all the time...?
http://autos.yahoo.com/consumerreports/article/pricing_maze.html
Dealer invoice price. This is the price printed on the dealer’s invoice from the manufacturer. However, this isn’t necessarily what the dealer actually paid for the vehicle. There are often behind-the-scenes bonuses, such as dealer incentives or a holdback, that give the dealer more profit margin. Looking beyond the dealer invoice price can sometimes save you hundreds of dollars.
On a unrelated answer, Subaru dealers in WNY will apply the amount of rebate directly against the cost of the car, so you don't have to front the full amount first and then get re-imbursed - this is to address a previous post on the subject

[77_Bus_Girl]

http://autos.yahoo.com/consumerreports/article/pricing_maze.html

On a unrelated answer, Subaru dealers in WNY will apply the amount of rebate directly against the cost of the car, so you don't have to front the full amount first and then get re-imbursed - this is to address a previous post on the subject

This is true in Seattle as well - it was included as though it was a deposit.

[shopper-X]

Nissan/Infiniti is NOT restricting sales and you get the warranty if you buy NEW or USED if registered for more then 6 month in the USA first.


Honda is NOT restricting sales, but you get NO warranty.
***Acura = UNSURE...Anyone know for sure???
VW/Audi are restricting sales, (do not know about warranty).

Toyota/Lexus is restricting sales, but you get FULL warranty.

Other can add to the list to help out or correct me if I'm wrong.

Anyone know for sure Acura USA's status on exportation to Canada? Also mention if the warranty is valid or not. AFAIK they are same as Honda and it is not valid, but I could be wrong.

[RRKnight]

OK, I'm almost home free with my imported outback. I got my Form2 yesterday and brought it to Crappy Tire to fill out the Form. They told me that I need to get a Safety and E-Tested done before they can pass the Form 2. Is that right? Do I still need to do it, even if it's a brand new car?

[scouzi]

OK, I'm almost home free with my imported outback. I got my Form2 yesterday and brought it to Crappy Tire to fill out the Form. They told me that I need to get a Safety and E-Tested done before they can pass the Form 2. Is that right? Do I still need to do it, even if it's a brand new car?

CT only has to do what the RIV contract says. All the other stuff are provincial rules and have nothing to do with RIV FORM 2. It's possible that your province demands it but the RIV inspection is a compliance one.

This CT is trying to get some more money off you. They may be right, but it's not a condition to be RIV compliant.

When I registred mine in Quebec, the DMV (SAAQ) said I needed an inspection. After arguing and showing the word NEW on the bill of sale, they waived this condition.

[diigii]

CT only has to do what the RIV contract says. All the other stuff are provincial rules and have nothing to do with RIV FORM 2. It's possible that your province demands it but the RIV inspection is a compliance one.

This CT is trying to get some more money off you. They may be right, but it's not a condition to be RIV compliant.

When I registred mine in Quebec, the DMV (SAAQ) said I needed an inspection. After arguing and showing the word NEW on the bill of sale, they waived this condition.

I was browsing in the Ontario's Ministry of Transportation website last night, looking for that specific provincial inspection requirement. I can't find anything that says an imported brand new car needs to pass the Drive Clean test.

I may be wrong or I just can't locate it from the ministry's website.

[RRKnight]

I was browsing in the Ontario's Ministry of Transportation website last night, looking for that specific provincial inspection requirement. I can't find anything that says an imported brand new car needs to pass the Drive Clean test.

I may be wrong or I just can't locate it from the ministry's website.

Me too, I don't see it stated anywhere that I have to pass a e-test or safety for registering a new vehicle. I think the Crappy tire is trying to scam some money.

[diigii]

Me too, I don't see it stated anywhere that I have to pass a e-test or safety for registering a new vehicle. I think the Crappy tire is trying to scam some money.

Here's the only wording I could find under Vehicle Licensing>Licensing A Vehicle That Is Registered In Another Jurisdiction:

"When you bring a vehicle into Canada you will, in most cases have to pay duty and taxes. For information on federal taxes, please contact the Canada Border Services Agency. Please note that the imported vehicles must meet all federal government requirements prior to registration. You may also be required to pay provincial Retail Sales Tax when the vehicle is registered in Ontario."

It doesn't say the vehicle must meet any provincial test prior to registration. I've read some of the people who posted their experiences in here that they were either told no provincial emissions test is needed since it's a brand new car or that they were issued license plated without even being told or questioned by ministry staff where is the emissions test result paperwork.

And on the RIV website, here is what is posted on the website.


"The RIV has contracted with Canadian Tire, with 430 locations across Canada, to perform our federal inspections. In many cases, Canadian Tire can perform certain modification work, as well as performing the provincial inspection."

"When you pass the inspection, the inspection centre will stamp your Form 1, that you will have to present to the provincial or territorial licensing authority, which may require additional testing."

It is the provincial licensing authority who will require additional testing, if needed. I interpret this RIV posting as if the car you are importing is a used car. But what we are importing are new cars. I've spent hours on the MTO website and I can't find any required emissions test for brand new imported vehicles.

[HCCC]

Forgive me if this question has been asked already...

Just picked up my new Subaru and they faxed the form 1 to RIV. Can I call and get form 2 emailed to me or faxed to me so I don't have to wait the entire ten days?

HCCC

[Monsieurmaggot]

Forgive me if this question has been asked already...

Just picked up my new Subaru and they faxed the form 1 to RIV. Can I call and get form 2 emailed to me or faxed to me so I don't have to wait the entire ten days?

HCCC

Absolutely.

No reason to wait.

[tzcnd]

:evil: I have heard of american toyata dealers refusing to sell canadians new cars, but can they refuse to sell used cars?!?!?

here is the story...I'm pissed! I called a toyota dealer who had a used honda ridgeline I was interested in (he also told me that the warranty WAS transferrable to canada, but that doesn't seem to be the case judging by other users experience?) he told me to drive down, and I could drive the vehicle, and he would get me set up. I spent a total of 11 hrs return (driving/border/dealer) to go to the dealership...and it wasn't until we sat down to do the paperwork that the salesperson comes back, and tells we that he is sorry, but they have a new policy that they don't sell to Canadians!!! I was shocked???I asked to see the manager, and I got the same story...ooops. the salesman didn't read the email I guess? :evil:

I am just curious as to whether they can do that? I can see them refusing to sell if I was an *******, or disrespectful, but that was not at all the case. substitue "Sorry we do not sell to _____________(Canadian) customers" with black, hispanic, gay, lesbian, etc...

I needed to vent, but maybe I would be more American if I threatened to sue...:confused:

Thoughts?

What kind of a moronic dealership wouldn't sell a used car to a Canadian.
:confused: :confused: :confused:

[Monsieurmaggot]

Some folks have asked to see my beauty.

Here she is.... 2007 Outback 3.0R LLBean - Loaded

(Taken by the WNY dealer at the end of March prior to delivery and installation of bumper guards and hood deflector).

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/173/464217464_205bd14569.jpg

[crasher]

OK, I'm almost home free with my imported outback. I got my Form2 yesterday and brought it to Crappy Tire to fill out the Form. They told me that I need to get a Safety and E-Tested done before they can pass the Form 2. Is that right? Do I still need to do it, even if it's a brand new car?

In Ontario you DONOT need any more test, Call your provincial transport ministry for your province.

[inspire]

Anyone know for sure Acura USA's status on exportation to Canada? Also mention if the warranty is valid or not. AFAIK they are same as Honda and it is not valid, but I could be wrong.

I think Honda/Acura Canada does not warranty US-bought cars unless the owner was American and moved to Canada. (ie case-by-case basis) I bought a 2007 TSX for my wife back in December ... no concernss about the warranty. First, it's built in Japan; second, it's in its 5th year of production. Besides, my wife works in the States so she can drive it to the dealership for work (the salesperson and service manager said they would do warranty work when we bought the car) so I'm not worried. NOTE: Acura USA does not care who they sell cars to -- we bought a new Acura with 7 miles on the odometer. No penalty to the dealership.

Perhaps you being in SK would have some concerns about it but make sure you don't buy a first year model of anything (general rule of thumb if you are a warranty "worry-er") By the second or greater year of production, the bugs are ironed out.

[scouzi]

Forgive me if this question has been asked already...

Just picked up my new Subaru and they faxed the form 1 to RIV. Can I call and get form 2 emailed to me or faxed to me so I don't have to wait the entire ten days?

HCCC

Call the with your form 1 number and they will immediately e-mail you FORM2. However, it takes 3-4 days for your CC payment to be processed and they won't send you anything until the money is in their bank account.

[RRKnight]

In Ontario you DO NOT need any more test, Call your provincial transport ministry for your province.

Thanks guys, I brought the car to another Crappy tire and they didn't say anything about safety or e-test. They filled out the Form 2 without any questions. I think the other Crappy Tire was trying to scam some money off me. So be careful everyone, you do not have to do the safety or e-test in Ontario for the new car.

[diigii]

Thanks guys, I brought the car to another Crappy tire and they didn't say anything about safety or e-test. They filled out the Form 2 without any questions. I think the other Crappy Tire was trying to scam some money off me. So be careful everyone, you do not have to do the safety or e-test in Ontario for the new car.

Hi RRKnight,
Could you please let us members know which location tried to scam you? I wonder if there is a thread for scamming CT locations? I think RIV should look into this situation too. Any comments or suggestions from everybody?

[chadw01]

Hi RRKnight,
Could you please let us members know which location tried to scam you? I wonder if there is a thread for scamming CT locations? I think RIV should look into this situation too. Any comments or suggestions from everybody?

Yeah, let's make a list of CT locations to avoid for inspections. The RIV fee should cover practically everything, so there's no reason for them to skim anything off us..

[RRKnight]

Hi RRKnight,
Could you please let us members know which location tried to scam you? I wonder if there is a thread for scamming CT locations? I think RIV should look into this situation too. Any comments or suggestions from everybody?

The first location I went to was the queensway location. (STAY AWAY!):mad:
1608 THE QUEENSWAY
ETOBICOKE, ON
M8Z 1V4
Phone: 416-255-5531

The second location was slow, but friendly (No BS about safety or e-test).;)
3050 MAVIS RD
MISSISSAUGA, ON
L5C 1T8
Phone: 905-270-9200

[diigii]

The first location I went to was the queensway location. (STAY AWAY!):mad:
1608 THE QUEENSWAY
ETOBICOKE, ON
M8Z 1V4
Phone: 416-255-5531

The second location was slow, but friendly (No BS about safety or e-test).;)
3050 MAVIS RD
MISSISSAUGA, ON
L5C 1T8
Phone: 905-270-9200

That Mavis location, is that on Mavis/Brittania or Mavis/Dundas?

[flaming homer]

The first location I went to was the queensway location. (STAY AWAY!):mad:
1608 THE QUEENSWAY
ETOBICOKE, ON
M8Z 1V4
Phone: 416-255-5531 I have to disagree, this location is REALLY convinient if you want to get it all done in one day (RIV office, CT RIV Test, MTO @ Cloverdale Mall), I dropped off mine at lunch, went across the street to California Sandwich, and it was all done without issues after 45 minutes.

[diigii]

I have to disagree, this location is REALLY convinient if you want to get it all done in one day (RIV office, CT RIV Test, MTO @ Cloverdale Mall), I dropped off mine at lunch, went across the street to California Sandwich, and it was all done without issues after 45 minutes.

I believe what RRKnight was trying to convey is that they tried to scam him to submitting to a provincial inspection, when it's NOT needed.

[flaming homer]

I believe what RRKnight was trying to convey is that they tried to scam him to submitting to a provincial inspection, when it's NOT needed.And what I'm saying is that is not my experience. People, you're going to Candian Tire for the free RIV inspection, if they want to sell you another service (breaks, safetly, e-test, oil change, whatever), you don't have to take it, just do your RIV test, get your form 2, and leave.

[johnsa]

Another website worth checking out....good place to see what the current rebates are to dealers...it is being updated right now as it is beginning of new month. you can also see what the top 10 rebates are .......right now the rebate on a SAAB 9-5 is $8,000!....crazy..

[RRKnight]

And what I'm saying is that is not my experience. People, you're going to Candian Tire for the free RIV inspection, if they want to sell you another service (breaks, safetly, e-test, oil change, whatever), you don't have to take it, just do your RIV test, get your form 2, and leave.

That wasn't the case for me, when I went there for the RIV inspection. They refuse to do it unless I do the safety and e-test with them. Which was BS, it's not required for the Form2. I also contacted the ministry of transportation and they said "Safety and E-tested is not required for a new vehicle".

[RRKnight]

That Mavis location, is that on Mavis/Brittania or Mavis/Dundas?


Mavis/Dundas

[bionicbadger]

.......right now the rebate on a SAAB 9-5 is $8,000!....crazy..
a 2006 model...

[mrwinky]

Just got back last night from Importing a 2008 Palomino Pony Tent Trailer. No issues, showed up at the border with it, gave them my Bill of sale, they charged me the GST at the Border and told me to go home and pay the RIV fee online (since it would be instant, as apposed to 1 month wait paying at the border) was in and out in 20min.


WInky

[Kamloops]

Word of caution to anyone importing. Dont try to cheat the Taxman. Claim what you paid. Trust me the customs people are good at what they do.

I had my boat seized two years ago and had to pay 3700.00 plus GST fine to get it back. I learned a good lesson from this.

Even after the fine it still was a great deal but really sucked!

[RRKnight]

Word of caution to anyone importing. Dont try to cheat the Taxman. Claim what you paid. Trust me the customs people are good at what they do.

I had my boat seized two years ago and had to pay 3700.00 plus GST fine to get it back. I learned a good lesson from this.

Even after the fine it still was a great deal but really sucked!

+1 I agree, when I purchased my 94 GTI from a private sale. I told them that I only paid $5K for it. They found out I paid $9K for it. I had to pay the PST difference X2 for penalty. Learn not to mess with the tax man.

[hagbard]

+1 I agree, when I purchased my 94 GTI from a private sale. I told them that I only paid $5K for it. They found out I paid $9K for it. I had to pay the PST difference X2 for penalty. Learn not to mess with the tax man.

When you think of taxman, think of this guy:

http://www.superchefblog.com/images/marlonbrando_godfather.png

So, yah understand what wez sayin'?

[chrisc2]

I have to disagree, this location is REALLY convinient if you want to get it all done in one day (RIV office, CT RIV Test, MTO @ Cloverdale Mall), I dropped off mine at lunch, went across the street to California Sandwich, and it was all done without issues after 45 minutes.

+1. Went there to get my inspection and it passed. The guy did try to sell me on the E-test and Certification but I had a printout of the requirements from the MTO website. I just told them that it doesn't say that it is required for new vehicles and wrt to imported vehicles, there is a special condition (I believe #10) which is that it only needs to pass the RIV inspection.

On a similar note, the MTO main office @ Bay/Wellesley is horrible. The lines are extremely long and then woman there insisted that it did need certification/E-test. When I complained to a supervisor she said that it was ridiculous, "obviously" you need a safety check when you import a foreign vehicle. I realized I was getting no where - after all it is a government employee, I left. I went to the one at College/Bathurst - no line up, no certification/e-test required. Out the door in 10 mins and I even got to choose the last 3 numbers of the plates (within reason).

[johnsa]

That wasn't the case for me, when I went there for the RIV inspection. They refuse to do it unless I do the safety and e-test with them. Which was BS, it's not required for the Form2. I also contacted the ministry of transportation and they said "Safety and E-tested is not required for a new vehicle".

Link to MTO website..see number 3...not required on new, unregistered vehicles...also number 4 re: exemption from emissions test.........

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/rgoutcan.htm

I have printed it to bring with me to crappy tire when I go next week.

[RRKnight]

Link to MTO website..see number 3...not required on new, unregistered vehicles...also number 4 re: exemption from emissions test.........

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/rgoutcan.htm

I have printed it to bring with me to crappy tire when I go next week.


Good work:!:

[crasher]

I called canada excise today, and they confirmed that I am eligible for fedral rebate, even though I am importing the vehicle. They said, if you have new vehicle which is not registered elsewhere, that implies that that vehicle is purchased for use in Canada, hence eligible for rebate.:razz:
Provincial rebate is also available.:)

[GoodDeal]

I called canada excise today, and they confirmed that I am eligible for fedral rebate, even though I am importing the vehicle. They said, if you have new vehicle which is not registered elsewhere, that implies that that vehicle is purchased for use in Canada, hence eligible for rebate.:razz:
Provincial rebate is also available.:)

How do you know which car qualifies for the "Federal rebate for fuel efficient vehicles"? Does a 2008 Subaru Legacy qualify?

[crasher]

How do you know which car qualifies for the "Federal rebate for fuel efficient vehicles"? Does a 2008 Subaru Legacy qualify?

check here (http://www.tc.gc.ca/programs/environment/ecotransport/ecoauto.htm)

[diigii]

I called canada excise today, and they confirmed that I am eligible for fedral rebate, even though I am importing the vehicle. They said, if you have new vehicle which is not registered elsewhere, that implies that that vehicle is purchased for use in Canada, hence eligible for rebate.:razz:
Provincial rebate is also available.:)

But it says on the website that eligible vehicles bought in the United States are not eligible. Take a look at No. 15 in the Questions and Answers Section.

15. I bought an eligible vehicle in th United States, can I apply for the rebate?
Vehicles imported from the United States are not eligible for the ecoAUTO Rebate Program. Only vehicles that have been purchased or leased (12 months or more) in Canada on or after March 20th, 2007 are eligible for the rebate.

http://www.tc.gc.ca/programs/environment/ecotransport/ecoAUTO-QandAs.htm

[summerman]

Anybody deal with Bel-air direct? They told me that they can not cover the car with NY temporary plate.

[crasher]

But it says on the website that eligible vehicles bought in the United States are not eligible. Take a look at No. 15 in the Questions and Answers Section.

15. I bought an eligible vehicle in th United States, can I apply for the rebate?
Vehicles imported from the United States are not eligible for the ecoAUTO Rebate Program. Only vehicles that have been purchased or leased (12 months or more) in Canada on or after March 20th, 2007 are eligible for the rebate.

http://www.tc.gc.ca/programs/environment/ecotransport/ecoAUTO-QandAs.htm

I read that, and even told him. He called back after confirming with his superiors and confirmed that I am eligible, and should apply for rebate. The # I called is 1-866-330-3304 given to me by CBSA. Too bad I could not write his name, as I was driving.

[diigii]

I read that, and even told him. He called back after confirming with his superiors and confirmed that I am eligible, and should apply for rebate. The # I called is given to me by CBSA. Too bad I could not write his name, as I was driving.

Oh okay...I guess the federal government should correct the information in their website as it confuses people.

[crasher]

Anybody deal with Bel-air direct? They told me that they can not cover the car with NY temporary plate.

Why would you keep NY temp permit. You only have 14 days to have your car inspected and registered here. Check your provincial insurance policy, as in Ontario you automatically have insurance for your new car for 14 days.

[jd2080]

Hi, Anyone can recommend new car import dealer in Toronto area. looking for importing Lexus from US. Looked all news, seems it's ok to do it myself, but trying to find one who had done this to save me time.

thx.

[shaolinmonk]

Hi, Anyone can recommend new car import dealer in Toronto area. looking for importing Lexus from US. Looked all news, seems it's ok to do it myself, but trying to find one who had done this to save me time.

thx.

what's the point? the importing will probably mark the car back up in price and eat into your savings...

[hhnyy]

Anyone has any idea when the 2008 Altima Coupe will be on the RIV list?

I want that car so bad :(

I called RIV they said they don't have that car on the list so I can't import it...

[77_Bus_Girl]

what's the point? the importing will probably mark the car back up in price and eat into your savings...

Well, actually, I just used one on my 08 Outback Ltd and for me it was the best option. In the end I figure it only cost me less than $600 extra to use an importer. If you take into account a day's salary (or using one of your very precious days off) and all the running around, it's not that bad. Also, a registered importer can do it all so much faster. (if the shipper hadn't messed up I would have had it 4 days after I put a deposit on it...instead it was a week)

(but this was in Vancouver...)

[Comatose]

Anyone has any idea when the 2008 Altima Coupe will be on the RIV list?

I want that car so bad :(

I called RIV they said they don't have that car on the list so I can't import it...

Call up nissan/infiniti USA and get them send RIV the documentation indicating that their 2008 vehicles comply with canadian motor vehicle safety standards. Its basically up to them to do that.

[shaolinmonk]

Well, actually, I just used one on my 08 Outback Ltd and for me it was the best option. In the end I figure it only cost me less than $600 extra to use an importer. If you take into account a day's salary (or using one of your very precious days off) and all the running around, it's not that bad. Also, a registered importer can do it all so much faster. (if the shipper hadn't messed up I would have had it 4 days after I put a deposit on it...instead it was a week)

(but this was in Vancouver...)

in that case... it is a good idea... i was under the impresion that these importers... mark the cars back up a lot...

[Mepoor]

Just got back last night from Importing a 2008 Palomino Pony Tent Trailer. No issues, showed up at the border with it, gave them my Bill of sale, they charged me the GST at the Border and told me to go home and pay the RIV fee online (since it would be instant, as apposed to 1 month wait paying at the border) was in and out in 20min.
Details please!
What model of Palomino TT did you get??
Where did you go to buy it (what City and State, what dealer)?
What was the price comparison difference between US and Canadain?
After all the RIV fees, CND to US exchange, GST, etc., how much do you figure you saved??

thanks

[eastsidesubaru]

http://autos.yahoo.com/consumerreports/article/pricing_maze.html

On a unrelated answer, Subaru dealers in WNY will apply the amount of rebate directly against the cost of the car, so you don't have to front the full amount first and then get re-imbursed - this is to address a previous post on the subject

We do this in WA too... =) Rebate is instantly taken off.
A note on holdback and how far you can go under invoice...
Yes, invoice is the real price we paid (don't forget destination charge). However, there are so many other factors on price. Holdback can be just a little bit on a cheaper car, or more on a more expensive car like the Tribeca.
We try to give up as little as possible(it goes towards interest on the cars, minimum commission, lot attendant, advertising etc - yes we have real costs!), but on the internet there is usually less overhead so we will go under invoice to make a deal.
Also, sometimes we will even lose money on cars depending on the circumstance.. If we are at 69 cars out for the month, and the 70th car carries a nice bonus, then yes we will make a really good deal :razz:
Rule of thumb is.. paying invoice = you are getting a good deal. Under invoice any amount = really good deal.

[bguy7890]

Well, actually, I just used one on my 08 Outback Ltd and for me it was the best option. In the end I figure it only cost me less than $600 extra to use an importer. If you take into account a day's salary (or using one of your very precious days off) and all the running around, it's not that bad. Also, a registered importer can do it all so much faster. (if the shipper hadn't messed up I would have had it 4 days after I put a deposit on it...instead it was a week)

(but this was in Vancouver...)

Hi Bus_Girl,
Did you actually buy the car directly from the importer, or did they simply transport the car and clear customs for you? Also, did they take care of the inspection part for you?
Thanks for the info.;)

[77_Bus_Girl]

Hi Bus_Girl,
Did you actually buy the car directly from the importer, or did they simply transport the car and clear customs for you? Also, did they take care of the inspection part for you?
Thanks for the info.;)

I did the initial shop around for the best deal, emailed about a dozen subaru dealers and also about 4 importers. The guy I used was "a friend of a friend of a friend..." but was the best price anyhow. He dealt with everything, he'd even deliver it to your door if you want. (but I opted to get the ride out to Richmond to pick it up...) I didn't have to do a thing except write a cheque. (in CAD, he got me a good exchange rate too)

Very simple, saved about 14K or more on an 08 Outback Ltd.

Anyone who wants his contact info PM me. (Lower Mainland only)

If things stay the same, I'll be importing a new diesel Outback when they are out... :lol:

[caribbeansun]

I've been trying to find US dealers for both Lexus and Infiniti to purchase new.

I've been told outright by Lexus dealers that they won't sell to Canadians but I've found some Inifiniti dealers that are happy to sell to us. On a 2008 FX35 with hands free and touring package, even after paying the 6.1% duty I conservatively estimate I'd be ahead about $5k from a local dealer 2007 demo unit with 5,000km.

Lexus dealers seem willing to sell used vehicles however.

There's some real anomalies going out there - an importer in my area had a '07 Lexus RX350 with Nav for $47k with about 15,000kms (it was in miles but they advertise in kms). A comparable vehicle adding in exchange is about $41kUS from what I've found so add on the exchange and there wasn't a whole lot in it for the importer - unfortunately it was sold by the time I got there (bait and switch - perhaps).

One Lexus dealer put me in touch with a company in Concord, Ontario that imports new Lexus apparently all the time - they send a truck down and fill it up every couple of weeks BUT they still wouldn't sell to me as an individual - pretty funky stuff if you ask me.

Thought this might be of interest to others.

One question - SUV's seem to be dealt with differently on the RIV listing as they don't mention model years other than the inadmissable - is it safe to assume that all 2008's are therefore admissable?

[Shaun091382]

Hi all I live in Ontario and just wanted to know because I couldnt find any information on it. Can vehicles be imported into Canada at any border crossing or point of entry? if not are there designated areas only for importing vehicles?

Thanks

Shaun

[robpeters]

It is possible to save money, usually you save at least $1000 by importing a vehicle. Depending on the model you can save/make more. Escalades are the craziest margin they go for alot of money here.

[kellan165]

One question - SUV's seem to be dealt with differently on the RIV listing as they don't mention model years other than the inadmissable - is it safe to assume that all 2008's are therefore admissable?

I will be bringing back a 2008 SUV in the next few weeks. I phoned RIV and they informed me that SUV's fall under Section 5 of the list under multipassenger vehicles and the model years don't apply here.

[maddmike]

So ive been readin through this post (as much as possible) and ive got a lot of the technical stuff down, but what I want to know is where are people lookin for these cars? Mainly dealerships, or used car search sites?

Any help with good sites/dealerships that people have found near alberta would be greatly appreciated. im not stuck on one particular car, but have a few in mind...toyota, subaru, vw.

Thanks in advance.
M

[jrvic]

I will be bringing back a 2008 SUV in the next few weeks. I phoned RIV and they informed me that SUV's fall under Section 5 of the list under multipassenger vehicles and the model years don't apply here.

Mine is coming this Sunday, an RX350. I am not even importing it right the way, since I have to register it in my US address in order to buy new. I will drive it for a couple of months as allowed by the law and then export/import it. I may even resell it to someone to import it if the SUV does not meet my requirement (first time SUV owner). The deal is just too good to pass up i.e. saves around 15K.

[scouzi]

So ive been readin through this post (as much as possible) and ive got a lot of the technical stuff down, but what I want to know is where are people lookin for these cars? Mainly dealerships, or used car search sites?

Any help with good sites/dealerships that people have found near alberta would be greatly appreciated. im not stuck on one particular car, but have a few in mind...toyota, subaru, vw.

Thanks in advance.
M

The best way to go about this is find a zip code in the US nearest where you live. Then go to the car companies US web sites and you can find dealers by zip code within a certain radius from that zip code. Work from there.

[mathomas]

This thread is WAY too long...

Just saw a guy importing a 2008 Impreza WRX STi, said he saved about $12k on the effort ($48k CDN vs $33k US). For kicks, sent an e-mail to Subaru Canada...


Thank you for contacting Subaru Canada, Inc. regarding American vs. Canadian pricing concerns.

Historically, vehicles have always been less expensive in Canada compared to the United States. However, with the abnormal strength of the Canadian dollar this year, the price gap between the United States and Canada has become a concern for many Canadian consumers. Nonetheless, the exchange rate is not the only factor that we consider in determining our pricing; otherwise, automobile prices in Canada would constantly fluctuate throughout the year whenever the value of our dollar changes. It is important to note that this situation is not exclusive to Subaru. Rather, it applies to the entire auto industry.

Canadian Subaru vehicles are priced to be competitive within the Canadian market and in part are driven by market conditions. Subaru Canada, Inc. will continue to monitor and adjust prices competitively to those key competitors in the Canadian market.

Thank you for the opportunity to explain our position.

Best Regards,

I've been trying to sort out a Civic Sedan Si (US only) -- but Honda won't honour warranty at all, and US Honda dealer I called said they weren't allowed to sell to Canadian buyers. Acura has a CSX model in Canada that competes with Si, which is not available in the US, so they don't want competition between the Si and the Acura...

[Monsieurmaggot]

Canadian Subaru vehicles are priced to be competitive within the Canadian market and in part are driven by market conditions. Subaru Canada, Inc. will continue to monitor and adjust prices competitively to those key competitors in the Canadian market.

Thank you for the opportunity to explain our position.

Best Regards,

That`s a nicer way of saying they`re free to set any price they want.

Early on, I received an email from Subaru Canada telling me that they`re aiming for a higher-end demographic in Canada.

They haven`t adjusted the Subaru prices in Canada for three years. In fact, they`ve gone up.

[GoodDeal]

At the border, can you pay the GST owed on a car by Credit Card?

[DSTU]

This thread is WAY too long...

Just saw a guy importing a 2008 Impreza WRX STi, said he saved about $12k on the effort ($48k CDN vs $33k US). For kicks, sent an e-mail to Subaru Canada...


2007 STI in Canada $50590
2008 STI in US $34120 (Probably 2k less than this - invoice pricing)

Diff of $13555

[jcon]

Monsieur - The prices on the '08 Imprezas have gone down not up.

[RRKnight]

At the border, can you pay the GST owed on a car by Credit Card?

Yes, they will take Credit cards for the GST and RIV payment.

[D-3vil]

I'm not going to read all 230 pages here, but I wanted to chime in and say that this whole thing applies for motorcycles as well.

I just imported a brand new Suzuki SV650A into Ontario, and the process itself was painless and took less than a week.

A few things to note:
- for brand new motorcycles you do not have to notify US customs of the exportation 72 hrs in advance. In fact, you don't even have to stop at the US side.
- there is absolutely NO DUTY for any imported motorcycle, regardless of where it was manufactured.
- you can go to RIV in person to pick up your inspection form (provided you have all the necessary documentation) -- they are located in Etobicoke (obviously not applicable if you don't live in the GTA). This will shave off a week from your wait.

[inspire]

Can vehicles be imported into Canada at any border crossing or point of entry? if not are there designated areas only for importing vehicles?
You may select ANY border crossing to bring a car over ... but be sure to note their hours of operation to conduct such business. When you do select a crossing, you have to go to that crossing. And be sure to fax the necessary information at least 72 hours.

Good luck with your purchase.

[Kamloops]

You may select ANY border crossing to bring a car over ... but be sure to note their hours of operation to conduct such business. When you do select a crossing, you have to go to that crossing. And be sure to fax the necessary information at least 72 hours.

Good luck with your purchase.

Yes and no, any canada customs but not all usa customs will do the export, so make sure you go across at one where the USA customs will export

[lovevasi]

Hi everyone,
this forum is great.... and this thread rocks...

I am reading thru the threads *read abt 100* already... I am in the process of buying a 08 highlander anywhere close to Boston (cause I have relatives there).
-Does anyone know a toyota dealer around there who can sell me that?
-If not, any dealers?

thanks,

[jcon]

You'll have some problems with Toyota. Toyota dealers in the US are forbidden (supposedly) from selling to Canadians.

Good-luck anyhow!

[DarkCat]

I will be bringing back a 2008 SUV in the next
few weeks. I phoned RIV and they informed me that SUV's fall under Section
5 of the list under multipassenger vehicles and the model years don't apply
here.

So *all* SUV's (I am thinking of a 2008 Lexus RX350) are permitted?
Is there an RIV reference (other than the phone call) that will help validate this?

Thanks, DarkCat

[kellan165]

So *all* SUV's (I am thinking of a 2008 Lexus RX350) are permitted?
Is there an RIV reference (other than the phone call) that will help validate this?

Thanks, DarkCat

Here is the link to the RIV list of admissible vehicles. Go to Section 5 (Page 13) for Multipassenger vehicles.

http://www.riv.ca/english/US_vehicle_admissibility.pdf

[scouzi]

Seems that the finance minister is getting frustrated:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070803.wflaherty0803/BNStory/National/home

[Monsieurmaggot]

Seems that the finance minister is getting frustrated:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070803.wflaherty0803/BNStory/National/home


It`s not like this is new. The Canadian sector will do what it can to make excuses why the Canadian consumer should continue to be gouged.

The minister`s right. People are shopping more and more in the US.

The Canadian dealers`greediness will hurt them considerably in the long run.

They make all kind of excuses why the prices need to stay high. If I buy a computer today, I don`t go back to the retailer because the newer model costs less and is better. Why can`t the Canadian car retailers do the same.

The corporate offices overseas won`t since you`re buying their product. I`m sure they see the US/Canada border differences as a minor anomaly.

[drayog]

I was just speaking to a friend / owner of a Toyota dealer here in BC. He told me they are revisiting all pricing structure of vehicles in Canada. He said hold on a while like 08, you may see a slight drop in prices making it comparable (not cheaper or the same as importing) but close. He told me that dealers are loosing thousands of dollars to consumers purchasing new/used in the US. I myself jusdt bought from the US, am actually thinking of moving down there soon, everything is cheaper (beverages, food, clothing, items etc), and they don't have those f----- recycling/deposit/eco fees (I call them another tax) associated with pop , juices and beer.

[scouzi]

I was just speaking to a friend / owner of a Toyota dealer here in BC. He told me they are revisiting all pricing structure of vehicles in Canada. He said hold on a while like 08, you may see a slight drop in prices making it comparable (not cheaper or the same as importing) but close. He told me that dealers are loosing thousands of dollars to consumers purchasing new/used in the US. I myself jusdt bought from the US, am actually thinking of moving down there soon, everything is cheaper (beverages, food, clothing, items etc), and they don't have those f----- recycling/deposit/eco fees (I call them another tax) associated with pop , juices and beer.

I really doubt they will lower prices. If so, it will be by a few hundreds not thousands like it should be.

Toyota could really harm the US big 3 if they brought US pricing to Canada though.

I don't think evrything is cheaper over there. Housing isn't and in some states, the level of taxes can be higher than in Canada.

[inspire]

I myself jusdt bought from the US, am actually thinking of moving down there soon, everything is cheaper (beverages, food, clothing, items etc), and they don't have those f----- recycling/deposit/eco fees (I call them another tax) associated with pop , juices and beer.
Many states add a 'deposit' on things instead (and they tax you on top of those refundable deposits) ... so what's the difference? But you being from BC ... you guys are taxed like mad ... (just like Quebec and the Maritimes). Ontario isn't that far behind.

(And please don't tell me how great the US is ... if so, please move to the US. I live 10 minutes from the border, so I am showered with US rhetoric on a regular basis...)

Yes and no, any canada customs but not all usa customs will do the export, so make sure you go across at one where the USA customs will export
Thanks for clarifying my previous response.

[chadw01]

I was just speaking to a friend / owner of a Toyota dealer here in BC. He told me they are revisiting all pricing structure of vehicles in Canada. He said hold on a while like 08, you may see a slight drop in prices making it comparable (not cheaper or the same as importing) but close. He told me that dealers are loosing thousands of dollars to consumers purchasing new/used in the US. I myself jusdt bought from the US, am actually thinking of moving down there soon, everything is cheaper (beverages, food, clothing, items etc), and they don't have those f----- recycling/deposit/eco fees (I call them another tax) associated with pop , juices and beer.

Moving down there? Watch any of Michael Moore's documentaries first.. as far as the Toyota dealers in Canada slashing their prices, it's about damn time!

[rinottawa]

You'll have some problems with Toyota. Toyota dealers in the US are forbidden (supposedly) from selling to Canadians.

Good-luck anyhow!

We canadians should avoid to buy Toyota cars from those local dealers. The fact is that the Canadian dollors have risen 50% in the past 5 yrs but these dealer refused to lower their price for the import cars. They are robbing us!!!:mad:

[jcon]

THE DEALERS DO NOT SET PRICES!!!

It's Toyota Canada that sets the price. The dealers have no say on the pricing and would make the same amount whether Toyota Canada told them to sell the cars for $10,000 more or $10,000 less.

[Shaun091382]

Hi again sorry for my questions I just cant seem to find the answers where they should be. I live in Ontario and I am interested in importing in a pickup from Georgia I was anticipating picking it up at either the queenston(NY) or bluewater(MI) bridge ports. The dealer told me georgia has a 7% sales tax on the truck and that I had two options.

1. the tax could be added to the purchase price of the truck

Or.

2. He could forward the paperwork on with the truck to either MI or NY and pay tax there

So if I were to have the paperwork forwarded with the truck to either of those states am I still on the hook for the 7%(Georgia tax) in MI or NY or would I just be responsible for that current states sales tax since I'm importing in Canada? ie 6.1% in MI Or 0% in NY?

Can anyone maybe help me out with this problem? If more information is required please let me know!

Shaun

[dpkform]

Thanks to everyone for your help - big thank-you to OP.

Wife and I picked up our 2008 Harvest Gold LLbean 3.0R Outback yesterday, from Karl Lindemuth, at Van Bortel Subaru. Highly recommend dealing with him. Karl not only gave us the best price, but also the best service.

Here's Karl handing the keys to my wife. Everyone else at Van Bortel Subaru was very professional and they have the export process down pat. Import process was practically effortless. Canadian customs officers at Queenston/Lewiston bridge said they are doing about 40 car imports per day just at that crossing.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h307/dpkform/VanBortel/Getting_the_Keys_33.jpg

In Canada, with freight/PDI a 3.0R Premiere package with all the major accessories we purchased would have listed well over $50K. We added remote starter, armrest extension, subwoofer/amplifier, rear map lights, all weather floor mats (in addition to standard carpet mats), cargo compartment divider/dog guard, cargo nets, cargo area hand-held spot light, trailer hitch, hitch mount bike rack, and wheel locks.

We decided to forgo GPS (optional in USA) but otherwise the LLbean is just like the 3.0R Premier package. Integrated Live Traffic GPS units are just coming on to the Toronto market - and with a little skill - we can make aftermarket look built in. The LLbean has perforated leather seats which are more comfortable than the flat leather in Canada. Got it from Karl for just over $30K USD.

[rinottawa]

THE DEALERS DO NOT SET PRICES!!!

It's Toyota Canada that sets the price. The dealers have no say on the pricing and would make the same amount whether Toyota Canada told them to sell the cars for $10,000 more or $10,000 less.

If the dealers can not sell cars at the robbing price, the dealers will close or sell other makers cars. Then the Toyota Canada will close or stop it's robbing to lower the price.

[tzcnd]

I was just speaking to a friend / owner of a Toyota dealer here in BC. He told me they are revisiting all pricing structure of vehicles in Canada. He said hold on a while like 08, you may see a slight drop in prices making it comparable (not cheaper or the same as importing) but close. He told me that dealers are loosing thousands of dollars to consumers purchasing new/used in the US. I myself jusdt bought from the US, am actually thinking of moving down there soon, everything is cheaper (beverages, food, clothing, items etc), and they don't have those f----- recycling/deposit/eco fees (I call them another tax) associated with pop , juices and beer.

Don't hold your breath waiting for a price drop. More likely Toyota will realize that cars are priced too low in Canada and raise their prices.

Obviously Toyota cars are priced too low in Canada or otherwise they wouldn't be selling so many at such overinflated prices compared to the U.S.

Go south to car shop and put the huge savings where they belong - in your pocket.

[DrXenon]

With the new Subaru warranty program where Canadians have to front the money for warranty repairs and be reimbursed by Subaru of America, do they guarantee that 100% of the cost will be reimbursed? I'm afraid the Canadian dealers are going to gouge us out of spite.

[Nitol]

Could someone tell me if I need a recall clearance letter to import a car older than 15 years into Canada.

[jokerstone]

is there a certain percentage of the car value that you have to pay as tax when coming to the border? the title of the thread says $200? what is that and are the taxes in addition to tis. for example a car thats 40k US would be what on the road after licensing etc taxes.. in canada?

[eljay]

is there a certain percentage of the car value that you have to pay as tax when coming to the border? the title of the thread says $200? what is that and are the taxes in addition to tis. for example a car thats 40k US would be what on the road after licensing etc taxes.. in canada?

$200 is the RIV fee. Read all about it here: www.riv.ca
You need to pay duty of 6.1% if the car is made outside North America. Then you pay GST+PST and A/C tax.

So US$40k = cca. CAD$44k x 1.061 x 14% (GST+PST Ontario) + $200 = $53,420 plus expenses of bringing the car home (gas, airfare, etc.)

[shopper-X]

Then you pay GST+PST and A/C tax.
So US$40k = cca. CAD$44k x 1.061 x 14% (GST+PST Ontario) + $200 = $53,420 plus expenses of bringing the car home (gas, airfare, etc.)

You forgot the AIR tax that you mentioned above. Plus GST on the RIV fee ($195 + GST = $206.70).
Some provinces also collect a Tire Tax of about $20 + GST.

[crasher]

Hi again sorry for my questions I just cant seem to find the answers where they should be. I live in Ontario and I am interested in importing in a pickup from Georgia I was anticipating picking it up at either the queenston(NY) or bluewater(MI) bridge ports. The dealer told me georgia has a 7% sales tax on the truck and that I had two options.

1. the tax could be added to the purchase price of the truck

Or.

2. He could forward the paperwork on with the truck to either MI or NY and pay tax there

So if I were to have the paperwork forwarded with the truck to either of those states am I still on the hook for the 7%(Georgia tax) in MI or NY or would I just be responsible for that current states sales tax since I'm importing in Canada? ie 6.1% in MI Or 0% in NY?

Can anyone maybe help me out with this problem? If more information is required please let me know!

Shaun

If you are importing the truck to Canada, then you dont pay any tax in any state, instead pay 6% GST at border, and then provincial tax (8%) while registering here in Ontario. Only other fee you pay is $206.70 to RIV and $100 A/C. I dont know if there is greenlevy(fuel guzzler tax), Which you can find out by calling 1-877-330-3304

[crasher]

Could someone tell me if I need a recall clearance letter to import a car older than 15 years into Canada.

Call RIV

[kellan165]

If you are importing the truck to Canada, then you dont pay any tax in any state, instead pay 6% GST at border, and then provincial tax (8%) while registering here in Ontario. Only other fee you pay is $206.70 to RIV and $100 A/C. I dont know if there is greenlevy(fuel guzzler tax), Which you can find out by calling 1-877-330-3304

For those interested, here is the list of NEW vehicles subject to the green levy/gas guzzler tax (for those vehicles put into service on or after March 20, 2007) :

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/whatsnew/items/list_veh-e.pdf - List of new vehicles subject to the tax

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/agency/budget/2007/excise-e.html - Info on the excise tax

[ianitrix]

Hi im about to purchase a jeep here in the states and im confused on what to do really, so if someone who has time could walk to through it. Im in the chicago area for 2 weeks. Now could someone explain to me what i need to do to bring this thing back with me to canada. I know i gotta fax the I read something about getting a letter about having no recalls on the jeep . How do i do that??
Thanks for looking

ian
i forgot to mention that i found some info on us customs here is the link:
http://www.customs.gov/xp/cgov/toolbox/contacts/ports/mi/3801.xml
Is this where i fax in my ownership and where do i pick up all the paperwork before i enter back into canada\
thanks

[Kamloops]

For those interested, here is the list of vehicles subject to the green levy:

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/whatsnew/items/list_veh-e.pdf

I am confused with this, I am picking up a 2004 Dodge Durango Ltd with hemi next week , will I get nailed an extra levy for this?

[Kamloops]

I am confused with this, I am picking up a 2004 Dodge Durango Ltd with hemi next week , will I get nailed an extra levy for this?

I think I found the answer it is only for new cars.

Q.7 Are used vehicles imported into Canada subject to this new tax?

A.7 If the vehicle was put into service prior to March 20, 2007 and imported into Canada on or after March 20, 2007, the tax does not apply.

If the vehicle was put into service on or after March 20, 2007 and imported into Canada, the tax would apply provided the weighted average fuel consumption rating of 13 or more litres per 100 km.

An automobile is considered to be put into service at the earliest of:

* the date the automobile is registered with a motor vehicle authority;
* the date it is plated;
* the date on which the automobile's warranty has been put in place; or
* the date the automobile is appropriated by a dealer for their own use.

[Shaun091382]

Thanks for your replies Crasher they are appreciated. I was wondering about the taxes in MI I read somewhere that the 6.1% had to be collected regardless if the vehicle was to be sold to a foreign country(Canada) listed in their vehicle code. If this is not true is there some sort of exit permit required to get the vehicle listed as for export only?. Also if I were to buy from a private seller there is no extra documentation required for state tax?

I see that every state has different tax rates...so no matter what state I purchase from I plan on taking delivery in either michigan(port huron) or NY(lewiston).

Thanks for the help

Shaun

[Monsieurmaggot]

is there some sort of exit permit required to get the vehicle listed as for export only?.

Shaun

Your car`s ownership will be stamped by US Customs and will be required by Canada Customs.

Look for the embossed US Customs stamp.

On mine it can be clearly seen at the top.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/208/516559881_45286ade67.jpg

[Monsieurmaggot]

Thanks to everyone for your help - big thank-you to OP.

Wife and I picked up our 2008 Harvest Gold LLbean 3.0R Outback yesterday, from Karl Lindemuth, at Van Bortel Subaru. Highly recommend dealing with him. Karl not only gave us the best price, but also the best service.

Here's Karl handing the keys to my wife. Everyone else at Van Bortel Subaru was very professional and they have the export process down pat. Import process was practically effortless. Canadian customs officers at Queenston/Lewiston bridge said they are doing about 40 car imports per day just at that crossing.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h307/dpkform/VanBortel/Getting_the_Keys_33.jpg

In Canada, with freight/PDI a 3.0R Premiere package with all the major accessories we purchased would have listed well over $50K. We added remote starter, armrest extension, subwoofer/amplifier, rear map lights, all weather floor mats (in addition to standard carpet mats), cargo compartment divider/dog guard, cargo nets, cargo area hand-held spot light, trailer hitch, hitch mount bike rack, and wheel locks.

We decided to forgo GPS (optional in USA) but otherwise the LLbean is just like the 3.0R Premier package. Integrated Live Traffic GPS units are just coming on to the Toronto market - and with a little skill - we can make aftermarket look built in. The LLbean has perforated leather seats which are more comfortable than the flat leather in Canada. Got it from Karl for just over $30K USD.

Sweet ride. I'm very happy for you. Congratulations on the huge savings.

[jadeboy]

I was thinking of buying a cheap P.O. Box somewhere in the US which I can use as my address. Will this be a valid way to get around not selling to a Canadian? I don't know about the border crossing if the Title and Bill of Sales has to be in Canadian or US address.

People who has brought a car from the US, do they put on your Canadian addresses for the Bill of Sales and Title of your car?

[yyz2hkg]

We should hold a RFD SUCCESSFULLY IMPORTED VEHICLE MEET...:lol:...that includes motorhomes too.

[bigred123]

Was thinking of importing a used 2007 Acura TL, but neither Acura US or Canada will provide a warranty. I tried calling one extended warranty company but they won't warranty a car not under the manufactures initial warranty period.

Has anyone looked into extended warranty companies that will provide warranties to Canadians on new/used cars that are relatively new, but no longer under the manufactures warranty?

Thanks.

[yyz2hkg]

Was thinking of importing a used 2007 Acura TL, but neither Acura US or Canada will provide a warranty. I tried calling one extended warranty company but they won't warranty a car not under the manufactures initial warranty period.

Has anyone looked into extended warranty companies that will provide warranties to Canadians on new/used cars that are relatively new, but no longer under the manufactures warranty?

Thanks.

There have been a lot of discussions regarding third party warranties in this thread...I just can't find them anymore, but there are some listed here. Secondly, are you able to find an Acura dealer in the US that's willing to sell to Canadians new?

[drayog]

buy in the US ! Maybe Canada dealers will get the hint

[Shaun091382]

The process would be much easier I assume when dealing with a dealer as they would have a better idea the process to sell to a Canadian for export. But if you buy from a private seller do they simply mark down your canadian address on their bill of sale or ownership piece?

The way I have the information lined up right now is the following if someone see's a flaw in these steps could someone please give me opinion on the steps.

Let's say for example I want to import a vehicle from the U.S to Canada and it is say located in the state of Illinois, Ohio, or Pennsylvania from a private seller these are the steps to follow:

1. Pay the seller the funds for purchase

2. Obtain recall letter from vehicle manufacturer dealership.

3. Obtain Temp plates from state of purchase

4. Call your insurance company to put vehicle on insurance policy

4. Make sure paperwork i.e. bill of sale, ownership, recall letter are received at U.S. customs office 72 hrs prior to showing up with vehicle

5. Arrive at Canada Customs office and show supporting paperwork to complete form 1

6. Pay RIV (and A/C excise tax) fees and 6% GST tax

7. Contact RIV and have form 2 sent electronically (to conserve time)

8. Take vehicle to Canadian Tire to complete inspection to have modifications made for form 2 completion, also complete inspection for Canadian Safety certificate (and emissions testing if applicable to area)

9. Take form1, form2, proof of insurance, ownership, bill of sale and canadian safety certificate to local licensing office and pay 8% PST tax.

10. Your ready to drive

I'm hoping someone can shed more light through their own personal experience of paying state taxes. There are soo many state taxes and rules per state it's hard to decipher IF a Canadian has to pay upfront or at the border state tax...I'm using the Michigan rule for example stating you have to pay their's.

More input would be appreciated!

Thanks,

Shaun

[Kamloops]

If its a DAIMLER CHRYSLER product no recall letter needed , just make sure there are no outstanding recalls. You can go to there website and run the vin to see.

[yyz2hkg]

If its a DAIMLER CHRYSLER product no recall letter needed , just make sure there are no outstanding recalls. You can go to there website and run the vin to see.


It clearly states that a Recall Letter is necessary for them to release the Inspection Form. Why would Daimler Chrysler be any different from any other car manufacturer in obtaining a Recall Letter?

From the RIV:

Special Attention: The Registrar of Imported Vehicles makes every effort to assist the importer with importation process. Recall clearance however is the responsibility of the importer. As a result we are unable to release the Inspection Form until such time as we receive a confirmation that there are no Outstanding recalls for your vehicle.

[Kamloops]

It clearly states that a Recall Letter is necessary for them to release the Inspection Form. Why would Daimler Chrysler be any different from any other car manufacturer in obtaining a Recall Letter?

From the RIV:

Special Attention: The Registrar of Imported Vehicles makes every effort to assist the importer with importation process. Recall clearance however is the responsibility of the importer. As a result we are unable to release the Inspection Form until such time as we receive a confirmation that there are no Outstanding recalls for your vehicle.

Because Daimler Chrysler has made the information avail on the website. Call RIV if you dont believe. You cant even get a recall letter from them. RIV just runs the VIN on Daimler Chrysler's website.

[yyz2hkg]

Because Daimler Chrysler has made the information avail on the website. Call RIV if you dont believe. You cant even get a recall letter from them. RIV just runs the VIN on Daimler Chrysler's website.

Don't get me wrong...I'm not doubting you, it just seems that the RIV stresses so much on the Recall Letter that it contradicts what they state on their website. While others are calling all over the place to find corporate HQ regarding Recall letters with Company Logos/letterheads, Daimler Chrysler's recall letter is just a click away.

[v452]

Which car (any make + model) provides the greatest savings when importing to Canada, while giving full warranty coverage?

Thanks.
-v

[bionicbadger]

Which car (any make + model) provides the greatest savings when importing to Canada, while giving full warranty coverage?

Thanks.
-v
Dollar wise I believe it would be Porsche

[Luckster]

Which car (any make + model) provides the greatest savings when importing to Canada, while giving full warranty coverage?

Thanks.
-v

Any Subaru Outback and Tribeca

[consumerPI]

Nice summary for those who do not want to read the 3445+ posts here.
Thanks.

The process would be much easier I assume when dealing with a dealer as they would have a better idea the process to sell to a Canadian for export. But if you buy from a private seller do they simply mark down your canadian address on their bill of sale or ownership piece?

The way I have the information lined up right now is the following if someone see's a flaw in these steps could someone please give me opinion on the steps.

Let's say for example I want to import a vehicle from the U.S to Canada and it is say located in the state of Illinois, Ohio, or Pennsylvania from a private seller these are the steps to follow:

1. Pay the seller the funds for purchase

2. Obtain recall letter from vehicle manufacturer dealership.

3. Obtain Temp plates from state of purchase

4. Call your insurance company to put vehicle on insurance policy

4. Make sure paperwork i.e. bill of sale, ownership, recall letter are received at U.S. customs office 72 hrs prior to showing up with vehicle

5. Arrive at Canada Customs office and show supporting paperwork to complete form 1

6. Pay RIV (and A/C excise tax) fees and 6% GST tax

7. Contact RIV and have form 2 sent electronically (to conserve time)

8. Take vehicle to Canadian Tire to complete inspection to have modifications made for form 2 completion, also complete inspection for Canadian Safety certificate (and emissions testing if applicable to area)

9. Take form1, form2, proof of insurance, ownership, bill of sale and canadian safety certificate to local licensing office and pay 8% PST tax.

10. Your ready to drive

I'm hoping someone can shed more light through their own personal experience of paying state taxes. There are soo many state taxes and rules per state it's hard to decipher IF a Canadian has to pay upfront or at the border state tax...I'm using the Michigan rule for example stating you have to pay their's.

More input would be appreciated!

Thanks,

Shaun

[Shaun091382]

No problem consumer PI. Did I miss anything or anything incorrect? I am curious to know if you imported a vehicle and had to deal with U.S. state tax? anything to watch out for?

[whampoa]

We should hold a RFD SUCCESSFULLY IMPORTED VEHICLE MEET...:lol:...that includes motorhomes too.

I'm in, where should we meet. Preferably somewhere in the GTA.

Please PM your request to yyz2hkg, so we can avoid letting all the CAD dealers know where we will meet.

[v452]

On top of the MSRP price, what taxes apply to Canadians importing a vehicle in the United States?

Thanks again.
-v

[crasher]

I'm in, where should we meet. Preferably somewhere in the GTA.

Please PM your request to yyz2hkg, so we can avoid letting all the CAD dealers know where we will meet.

I think Cad dealers would be too embarassed to attend, even if we invite them.:cheesygri

[v452]

If a Subaru is purchased in the United States, is the warranty coverage recognized in Canada?


Thanks.
-v

[karl_at_vanbortel]

If a Subaru is purchased in the United States, is the warranty coverage recognized in Canada?


Thanks.
-v

2007 and older Subaru's purchased in the US by Canadian buyers and immediately exported to Canada have full, normal, warranty coverage. 2008 and newer models will require you to do one of two things. You can either pay for the repairs and submit a claim to Subaru of America or you can bring your car to a US dealer.

And, if anyone is up for a meet near the WNY or TO area, count me in! Would be great to see some of my customers again.

[ExcitedCanuck]

In your experience buying from a dealer, where was the original title kept : at the dealership, dealer's bank or local DMV?

Thank you in advance.

[MMMM]

Was thinking of importing a used 2007 Acura TL, but neither Acura US or Canada will provide a warranty. I tried calling one extended warranty company but they won't warranty a car not under the manufactures initial warranty period.

Has anyone looked into extended warranty companies that will provide warranties to Canadians on new/used cars that are relatively new, but no longer under the manufactures warranty?

Thanks.

Try the following:

http://www.securewarranty.ca/drive.html (call and ask for a dealer in your area)

warrentydirect.com was dealing in Canada but has stopped.

Due to credit card processing issues, we have temporarily suspended sales in Canada. We appreciate your patience as we wade through this process and thank you for your interest in Warranty Direct.

[hlfire]

Just curious, is it worth the trouble for econ-cars like Civics, Corollas and Yaris's?

I know it pays to go through the hassle for higher end cars but how about budget low end base models.

[GoodDeal]

Any Subaru Outback and Tribeca

I would also include the Subaru Legacy

[rgc97]

In your experience buying from a dealer, where was the original title kept : at the dealership, dealer's bank or local DMV?

Thank you in advance.

The dealer has the Certificate of Origin. It comes with the vehicle, from the factory. It's a double-sided 8 1/2 x 11 inch page.

When I bought my Sienna, they had a notary public in their office, and the Certificate was signed over to me. Had to get it stamped for the US export process. MTO took it when I registered the van in Ontario. In return, I got the Ontario ownership slip (they also charged me a few dollars -- PST, license, etc.). ;)

[dpkform]

If the timing works for me - count me in too. GTA would be best - why not somewhere in the city, how about High Park?

PM sent to yy2hkg.

I'm in, where should we meet. Preferably somewhere in the GTA.

Please PM your request to yyz2hkg, so we can avoid letting all the CAD dealers know where we will meet.

[torontolove]

I am among the people who dig into all the posts.
:twisted:

The thing is I am going to be a new immigrant of Canada this year, so theoratically I am honored the Tax-free import for my first car. However, for anyone who imported the car, do you have the owership/title when you import it?

Or anyone has the experience of waive the GST/PST for the sake of new immigrant? It seems like I need to 'own the vehicle' before my tax can be waived, so I need to have my name on the owership or title.

thanks every bro;)

[diigii]

The Ministry of Transportation will gladly take a photocopy of your certificate of title and return the original after they view it for verification of the photocopy. Here is the link and wording on Ontario's MTO website: http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/rgoutcan.htm

"The original copy of the vehicle registration permit in your name. If the permit is not in your name, a signed Bill of Sale describing the vehicle fully from the seller to you is also required. If you have a Certificate of Title in your name and wish to keep it, you must provide a legible photocopy of the title with the original. The licence office will view the original title, keep the photocopy and return the original to you at the same time. The ministry does not mail back titles to applicants. Make sure you collect your title before you leave the licence office."

Anyway, enjoy your new car!



The dealer has the Certificate of Origin. It comes with the vehicle, from the factory. It's a double-sided 8 1/2 x 11 inch page.

When I bought my Sienna, they had a notary public in their office, and the Certificate was signed over to me. Had to get it stamped for the US export process. MTO took it when I registered the van in Ontario. In return, I got the Ontario ownership slip (they also charged me a few dollars -- PST, license, etc.). ;)

[diigii]

I would gladly join you guys in this meet. But I still have to get my car. Hopefully, this week I can close the deal and pick it up next week. I would still go if the date is set and I don't have my car yet.

I have a few suggestions so we can all make a "noise" about this to the manufacturers' Canadian head offices. We should ask/get Jim Kenzie (Wheels chief contributor) to attend. Or we could get heads of consumer groups who are championing against the high price of consumer goods here, and have a cruise to dealerships and show our disgust by having logos or posters in cars saying "Buy your cars in the US for cheap!" or something. I know the last one sounds radical and disruptive and might get in trouble with the police. But the point is to make the public aware. As what Finance Minister Jim Flaherty said last week, "the consumer must shop around for better prices." The head offices will react once they see there is evidence of consumer action against their robbery pricing.

That's just my two cents to the dollar opinion. :)
If the timing works for me - count me in too. GTA would be best - why not somewhere in the city, how about High Park?

PM sent to yy2hkg.

[DrXenon]

Be careful about which third party warranty company you choose! There are lots of them out there, and some substantial fraction will have gone out of business, taking your premium with them, by the time you actually need them.

One company that's been in business a long time and is recommended by a relative I have in the used car business is Lubrico. (I have no connection with them; just passing on the recommendation.)

Make sure you tell them in advance, and get it in writing, that you are expecting them to cover manufacturer warranty repairs. Most standard policies have an explicit exclusion for such repairs.

[e1e0n]

What about warranty? New 2008 cars must be serviced at US dealer.
That what I was read on Canadian site.

Thanks to everyone for your help - big thank-you to OP.

Wife and I picked up our 2008 Harvest Gold LLbean 3.0R Outback yesterday, from Karl Lindemuth, at Van Bortel Subaru. Highly recommend dealing with him. Karl not only gave us the best price, but also the best service.

Here's Karl handing the keys to my wife. Everyone else at Van Bortel Subaru was very professional and they have the export process down pat. Import process was practically effortless. Canadian customs officers at Queenston/Lewiston bridge said they are doing about 40 car imports per day just at that crossing.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h307/dpkform/VanBortel/Getting_the_Keys_33.jpg

In Canada, with freight/PDI a 3.0R Premiere package with all the major accessories we purchased would have listed well over $50K. We added remote starter, armrest extension, subwoofer/amplifier, rear map lights, all weather floor mats (in addition to standard carpet mats), cargo compartment divider/dog guard, cargo nets, cargo area hand-held spot light, trailer hitch, hitch mount bike rack, and wheel locks.

We decided to forgo GPS (optional in USA) but otherwise the LLbean is just like the 3.0R Premier package. Integrated Live Traffic GPS units are just coming on to the Toronto market - and with a little skill - we can make aftermarket look built in. The LLbean has perforated leather seats which are more comfortable than the flat leather in Canada. Got it from Karl for just over $30K USD.

[bigred123]

There have been a lot of discussions regarding third party warranties in this thread...I just can't find them anymore, but there are some listed here. Secondly, are you able to find an Acura dealer in the US that's willing to sell to Canadians new?

Regarding your second question, I was looking to buy a used one (about 3-4K miles on it). Haven't tried to buy a new one.

[dpkform]

What about warranty? New 2008 cars must be serviced at US dealer.
That what I was read on Canadian site.

Not True.

In fact Subaru's announcement is actually very good news because it affirms that Canadians purchasing American models, WILL HAVE VALID WARRANTY COVERAGE from Subaru of America.

2008 Subarus can still have warranty work done at any Canadian dealer. The difference is that the Canadian dealers are no longer required to do the warranty work at no up front charge to you.

You may be asked by the Canadian dealer to pay for the warranty work. If this is the case, then you simply submit your repair invoice marked "paid" to Subaru of America, and they will re-imburse you. Pretty much anyone who does any travel for work pays their business travels up front, and submits receipts to their company for re-imbursement. No big deal. If you can't afford to do this, you can't afford to buy the car in the first place.

I suspect that many Canadian dealers, if you form a service relationship with them, will still do warranty work at no charge to you, and submit the claim for re-imbursement on your behalf. Even though they did not get your purchase business, there is still lots of money to be made, and dealership loyalty to be made by servicing you well.

US Subaru dealers continue to be obligated to perform warranty work at no charge to you. You can always make a quick trip across the border if you live nearby.

Heck, for less than half of the $20,000 I saved I would be willing to forgo a warranty altogether. Subaru is consistently among the top 3 reliable brands sold in North America. If I was buying a Mercedes, for example, I would be worried. They make the least (yes, absolute rock bottom - worse than LandRover) reliable vehicle sold in North America. Their brand has 10 (ten!) times the number or repair incidents as the most reliable brands in North America - and those repairs will cost a lot more too.

Contrast that to Honda and Chrysler which deny you any warranty coverage in either country, if as a Canadian you purchase your car in the U.S.A. This is actually illegal according to trade treaties. This probably why Toyota still honours warranties, and claims Canadians are welcome to purchase their vehicles, while hypocritically behind the scenes they try to hold a gun to their USA dealer's heads, by denying them future allocation of profitable vehicles, if they are caught selling new US Toyotas to Canadians.

I will never purchase any vehicle from any such sleazebag companies. Why anyone would want to purchase anything from a company that is so highly unethical, and either blatantly or in a two-faced manner makes such a major effort to rip you off by thousands of dollars is beyond me.

By contrast, Subaru of America's approach is very up front, fair, and ethical. I admire that. As previously mentioned, I also found that Karl Lindemuth, and everyone at Van Bortel was also totally upfront, beyond fair, ethical, knowledgeable and professional. They have an up-front price, right on their website, and in my case, none of the three other WNY Subaru dealers would even match Van Bortel's posted price. They were willing to order exactly the car I wanted at the same price as an in-stock car. In fact, I ordered through them, and they had exactly the car I wanted only 3 days later. They did so by grabbing a factory model in the color I wanted, then installing the accessories themselves, but giving the accessories to me at the factory installed price. I'm sure it helped them to meet their montly sales quota by declaring the car sold by end of month - but nevertheless, it was incredible customer service!

When their business manager called me to work out the details of the deal, and when doing the final paperwork during pick-up of the car, he never once tried to sell us additonal rustproofing, or other typical major mark-up business office items. The "business office" in most dealerships are where the biggest rip-offs typically happen. There were NO "administration fees", "glass etching" fees or any other sleazly manipulative rip-offs. Most dealerships hard print an "administration fee" and sometimes a "glass etching fee" onto their bills of sale to further pad profit. These are pure bull***** fees. An administration fee is charging you for what the dealership is supposed to do in the first place. Some Canadian Ford dealers actually charged $800 administration fees for vehicles sold during "family pricing" days. This for sending a guy with a stack of 10 ownerships to the license office, and for typing a few pages of documents? Glass etching is of questionable value. Do you really think the professional theives at the illegal export ring, loading your car onto an export ship on the Vancouver dock, or the ultimate "customer" in China, or the middle east cares about the window etching on the car they stole from you?

As someone who has purchased many cars, and has worked as a new car salesperson years ago, I can tell you I have never dealt with a dealership that was as fair, ethical, competent, and professional, as Van Bortel was with me. Having their price up-front, right on their website, and still remaining unbeaten by quotes from three other WNY dealers underlines what an incredible deal it was. Being a volume dealer probably helps their price, as the more vehicles a dealer sells, the higher the per-car incentives paid by the manufactuer to the dealership. It's no wonder Van Bortel is the largest Subaru dealer in the USA. In my experience, they have earned it, in the most ethical way.

If you are looking for a Subaru, I can't think of any reason why you would regret purchasing from Karl and Van Bortel. From what I read on the forum, there are several other excellemt dealers as well. I should note that West Herr responded to my queries promptly and dealt with me very well over the phone. In my case, Karl was better able to get exactly what I wanted, and sold it for less. I know that at least one forum member that did better for themselves at West Herr, so it still pays to shop around a little, and buy from the dealership and person you feel most comfortabe with. Seems like east-side Subaru in Seattle also provides great customer service.

[markchamp]

I was looking for a Lexus in Syracuse New York and the dealer said unless you have a U.S address they would not be able to sell a new car to Canadians. I have a Florida address but they would have to register the car in Florida ( also pay the Florida State tax ) and then I could get it registred in Canada. Does anyone know of a Lexus dealer who would sell to a Canadian resident without going thru all of the BS ??

[inspire]

Does anyone know of a Lexus dealer who would sell to a Canadian resident without going thru all of the BS ??
This thread is becoming too tedious to find the answers ... maybe the OP can summarize this type of question is asked on the first page.

Lexus USA forbids any dealership from selling for the purpose of direct exportation. So you will not find a single Lexus dealer who will sell to you directly to go to Canada. Sorry. You're going to save a bundle buying in the US ... so my advice is:

1) buy a demo model -- they have no problems selling a previously titled (aka "used") car to Canadians
2) use your FLA address if you *have* to have a new car -- suck it up and pay the sales tax there

Either way, you will not be able to take advantage of the warranty in a Canadian dealership without expressed written approval from Lexus USA ... you might be lucky and have a dealership do warranty work on the US side...

Hope that helps.

[Shaun091382]

So as a Canadian can I import a vehicle from michigan to Ontario and not pay any sales tax because its being registered in Ontario? can anyone verify this. I read something about being charged 6% sales tax regardless of whether its being registered in canada or not ...its standard to charge the 6% state tax anyways.

Anyone?

Thanks

[dpkform]

Why should the OP do it? He's already done a great service by posting all he has done. Why should anyone else do it, why not YOU?

I agree the thread is long and tedious, so why not offer to CONTRIBUTE to a potential sticky thread. You summarised a few good points - keep it up. Since you seem interested in Lexus/Toyota - why don't you summarize all of that, and offer it as part of a permanent "sticky" summary post. I'm sure the OP or anyone else would be much more inclined to help organize such a summary if people were willing to chip in.

This thread is becoming too tedious to find the answers ... maybe the OP can summarize this type of question is asked on the first page..

[scouzi]

I would gladly join you guys in this meet. But I still have to get my car. Hopefully, this week I can close the deal and pick it up next week. I would still go if the date is set and I don't have my car yet.

I have a few suggestions so we can all make a "noise" about this to the manufacturers' Canadian head offices. We should ask/get Jim Kenzie (Wheels chief contributor) to attend. Or we could get heads of consumer groups who are championing against the high price of consumer goods here, and have a cruise to dealerships and show our disgust by having logos or posters in cars saying "Buy your cars in the US for cheap!" or something. I know the last one sounds radical and disruptive and might get in trouble with the police. But the point is to make the public aware. As what Finance Minister Jim Flaherty said last week, "the consumer must shop around for better prices." The head offices will react once they see there is evidence of consumer action against their robbery pricing.

That's just my two cents to the dollar opinion. :)

Car companies won't do a thing. They are selling cars in Canada in record numbers. Why would they. They won't reduce the price on millions of cars to stop the flow of a few hundred thousand cars.

However, here's a smart dealer that understands the consumer. He wants Porshe to lower car prices. He's not bitching a consumers.

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/story.html?id=9a93ea9d-e2ad-4db0-8c62-c72d4e75d453&k=77254

[AEmgee]

I was looking for a Lexus in Syracuse New York and the dealer said unless you have a U.S address they would not be able to sell a new car to Canadians. I have a Florida address but they would have to register the car in Florida ( also pay the Florida State tax ) and then I could get it registred in Canada. Does anyone know of a Lexus dealer who would sell to a Canadian resident without going thru all of the BS ??

Just a thought... Is it possible to purchase the Lexus in a tax-free state using your U.S. address? I believe the state sales tax is only due at the time of licensing - so is it possible to bring it back to Canada without needing it licensed? Anybody know?

[jadeboy]

Just a thought... Is it possible to purchase the Lexus in a tax-free state using your U.S. address? I believe the state sales tax is only due at the time of licensing - so is it possible to bring it back to Canada without needing it licensed? Anybody know?

I looking to get a lexus also too.. I lived from alberta. Montana is a tax free state. I was thinking of buying a temporary PO Box and using it as an address. When you buy a car, you ask the dealership to get you a temporary license so you can drive it back to Canada. But you will need insurance for the car.

[glonq]

Can anybody provide a helpful link or instructions regarding what exactly I need to do to export a (used) vehicle from the US? The RIV import stuff is clear, but I can't figure out exactly what I need to send in 72 hours before export? What info? What forms? Who do I call or fax if I want to use the Blaine ("Pacific Highway") border crossing?

[eljay]

Can anybody provide a helpful link or instructions regarding what exactly I need to do to export a (used) vehicle from the US? The RIV import stuff is clear, but I can't figure out exactly what I need to send in 72 hours before export? What info? What forms? Who do I call or fax if I want to use the Blaine ("Pacific Highway") border crossing?

Call the border crossing you will use. They will tell you all they need.

[crasher]

So as a Canadian can I import a vehicle from michigan to Ontario and not pay any sales tax because its being registered in Ontario? can anyone verify this. I read something about being charged 6% sales tax regardless of whether its being registered in canada or not ...its standard to charge the 6% state tax anyways.

Anyone?

Thanks

If you buy from Michigan, you pay Michigan tax, regardless where you take the car and then pay tax here in Canada on top of that.
If you buy from N.Y./Georgia, you dont pay any tax in US, only in Canada.

[TorontoEh]

Not True.

In fact Subaru's announcement is actually very good news because it affirms that Canadians purchasing American models, WILL HAVE VALID WARRANTY COVERAGE from Subaru of America.

2008 Subarus can still have warranty work done at any Canadian dealer. The difference is that the Canadian dealers are no longer required to do the warranty work at no up front charge to you.

You may be asked by the Canadian dealer to pay for the warranty work. If this is the case, then you simply submit your repair invoice marked "paid" to Subaru of America, and they will re-imburse you. Pretty much anyone who does any travel for work pays their business travels up front, and submits receipts to their company for re-imbursement. No big deal. If you can't afford to do this, you can't afford to buy the car in the first place.

I suspect that many Canadian dealers, if you form a service relationship with them, will still do warranty work at no charge to you, and submit the claim for re-imbursement on your behalf. Even though they did not get your purchase business, there is still lots of money to be made, and dealership loyalty to be made by servicing you well.

US Subaru dealers continue to be obligated to perform warranty work at no charge to you. You can always make a quick trip across the border if you live nearby.

Heck, for less than half of the $20,000 I saved I would be willing to forgo a warranty altogether. Subaru is consistently among the top 3 reliable brands sold in North America. If I was buying a Mercedes, for example, I would be worried. They make the least (yes, absolute rock bottom - worse than LandRover) reliable vehicle sold in North America. Their brand has 10 (ten!) times the number or repair incidents as the most reliable brands in North America - and those repairs will cost a lot more too.

Contrast that to Honda and Chrysler which deny you any warranty coverage in either country, if as a Canadian you purchase your car in the U.S.A. This is actually illegal according to trade treaties. This probably why Toyota still honours warranties, and claims Canadians are welcome to purchase their vehicles, while hypocritically behind the scenes they try to hold a gun to their USA dealer's heads, by denying them future allocation of profitable vehicles, if they are caught selling new US Toyotas to Canadians.

I will never purchase any vehicle from any such sleazebag companies. Why anyone would want to purchase anything from a company that is so highly unethical, and either blatantly or in a two-faced manner makes such a major effort to rip you off by thousands of dollars is beyond me.

By contrast, Subaru of America's approach is very up front, fair, and ethical. I admire that. As previously mentioned, I also found that Karl Lindemuth, and everyone at Van Bortel was also totally upfront, beyond fair, ethical, knowledgeable and professional. They have an up-front price, right on their website, and in my case, none of the three other WNY Subaru dealers would even match Van Bortel's posted price. They were willing to order exactly the car I wanted at the same price as an in-stock car. In fact, I ordered through them, and they had exactly the car I wanted only 3 days later. They did so by grabbing a factory model in the color I wanted, then installing the accessories themselves, but giving the accessories to me at the factory installed price. I'm sure it helped them to meet their montly sales quota by declaring the car sold by end of month - but nevertheless, it was incredible customer service!

When their business manager called me to work out the details of the deal, and when doing the final paperwork during pick-up of the car, he never once tried to sell us additonal rustproofing, or other typical major mark-up business office items. The "business office" in most dealerships are where the biggest rip-offs typically happen. There were NO "administration fees", "glass etching" fees or any other sleazly manipulative rip-offs. Most dealerships hard print an "administration fee" and sometimes a "glass etching fee" onto their bills of sale to further pad profit. These are pure bull***** fees. An administration fee is charging you for what the dealership is supposed to do in the first place. Some Canadian Ford dealers actually charged $800 administration fees for vehicles sold during "family pricing" days. This for sending a guy with a stack of 10 ownerships to the license office, and for typing a few pages of documents? Glass etching is of questionable value. Do you really think the professional theives at the illegal export ring, loading your car onto an export ship on the Vancouver dock, or the ultimate "customer" in China, or the middle east cares about the window etching on the car they stole from you?

As someone who has purchased many cars, and has worked as a new car salesperson years ago, I can tell you I have never dealt with a dealership that was as fair, ethical, competent, and professional, as Van Bortel was with me. Having their price up-front, right on their website, and still remaining unbeaten by quotes from three other WNY dealers underlines what an incredible deal it was. Being a volume dealer probably helps their price, as the more vehicles a dealer sells, the higher the per-car incentives paid by the manufactuer to the dealership. It's no wonder Van Bortel is the largest Subaru dealer in the USA. In my experience, they have earned it, in the most ethical way.

If you are looking for a Subaru, I can't think of any reason why you would regret purchasing from Karl and Van Bortel. From what I read on the forum, there are several other excellemt dealers as well. I should note that West Herr responded to my queries promptly and dealt with me very well over the phone. In my case, Karl was better able to get exactly what I wanted, and sold it for less. I know that at least one forum member that did better for themselves at West Herr, so it still pays to shop around a little, and buy from the dealership and person you feel most comfortabe with. Seems like east-side Subaru in Seattle also provides great customer service.

thanks for letting us know your honest experience and the photo above. I was really thinking about van bortel now im convinced.....

[kellan165]

Can anybody provide a helpful link or instructions regarding what exactly I need to do to export a (used) vehicle from the US? The RIV import stuff is clear, but I can't figure out exactly what I need to send in 72 hours before export? What info? What forms? Who do I call or fax if I want to use the Blaine ("Pacific Highway") border crossing?

Info from the Blaine border crossing on what you need to send in 72 hours before export:

http://abouttime.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/blaine-information-packet.pdf

[DSTU]

Can anybody provide a helpful link or instructions regarding what exactly I need to do to export a (used) vehicle from the US? The RIV import stuff is clear, but I can't figure out exactly what I need to send in 72 hours before export? What info? What forms? Who do I call or fax if I want to use the Blaine ("Pacific Highway") border crossing?

This has been answered numerous times - do a SEARCH!!!!

[dealhuntre]

I just read a few articles (http://www.torontosun.com/Money/2006/06/22/1646786-sun.html) that mention that new car prices are considerably cheaper in the US.

For a couple of hours of paperwork (www.riv.ca) you could save anywhere from $8000 to $12000 on a $30,000 car.

I am looking at a Subaru Outback.

For that car, the US dealers also offers $2750 cash back on a 2006 model.

http://www.cars101.com/subaru_prices.html

http://www.cars101.com/canada.html

The only drawback, the odometer is in miles. Lucky for me this model has daytime running lights as standard US equipment.



Edit: I have since purchased a 2007 Subaru Outback in Buffalo NY.

Thanks to Michelb for helping compile this FAQ:

IMPORTING A CAR FROM THE USA INTO CANADA FAQ
--------------------------------------------

1) Why bother importing a car from the US?

- Partially of the recent strength of the Canadian dollar, many models are significantly less expensive in the US than in Canada. Also some models/trims are available in the US but not in Canada.


2) Can any car from the USA be imported?

- No, check the list at www.riv.ca. While many cars can be imported without any or with very little modifications, some might need modifications like the addition of Daytime running lights, and/or child tether anchors

3) Do I have to pay duty and taxes?

- There is no duty on cars built in North America. Cars from elsewhere will be charged 6.1% duty. You have to pay GST when you import the vehicle and PST when you register your vehicle as per your Province's regulations.

For a list of currenly know duty exempt cars (NAFTA Cars) click on this subsequent link:

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/s...postcount=2325


4) How do I know if I can import a car without paying duty?

- If the VIN starts with a number, it's made in North America and can be imported duty free. If they VIN starts with a letter, it's made elsewhere in the world and you will be charged 6.1% duty.


5) IS this only for new cars?

- Any car that can be imported (check point #1) can be imported new or used - does not make any difference and the process is the same (other than things like safety checks and clean air checks which really have nothing to do with importing the car).


6) Will the new car warranty be valid in Canada?

- This varies by manufacturer and you should contact the one for the car you wish to import. Some manufacturers (e.g. Subaru, Toyota) will honor the warranty, others will honor the warranty but under a few conditions (e.g. Nissan), while others void the warranty if the car is not registered in the US first (e.g. Honda)


7) Do I need a US address?

- No, but some dealerships (e.g. Toyota, particularly those near the Canadian border) may not want to sell you a car if you don't register it in the US first. In general dealerships very close to the Canadian border may not be as willing (because of pressure from the manufacturer) to sell to Canadians and you may have to travel further South.


8) I have a friend / relative / whatever with an address in the US, can I or they buy the car in the US and register it there before importing it to Canada?

- Yes but you may be charged sales taxes in the US and in Canada if you do that. Different states have different tax rates (and some none) so it may be possible to do it there. It has been confirmed that Canadian buyers pay NO sales tax in certain states like New York but are charged sales tax in Michigan. Also, there are certain conditions under which Customs Canada will allow you to import the car without paying taxes but this is only for those who are out of Canada for extended periods of time.


9) Can I get financing for a car purchased in the US?

- You cannot get financing through the dealership or manufacturer. You may be able to get a car loan from your bank but probably only once the vehicle is imported into Canada. Some Canadian banks are now offering US loans.


10) Can anyone do this for me?

- There are importers / brokers that will handle shipping and importing however they do charge a significant amount. Individuals can do it for themselve for the cost of a few hours time and the $200 RIV fee.


11) Are there any drawbacks from having a US car?

- Generally no. There are some inconveniences such as having an odometer in miles rather than kilometers and having the 'principal' display (outer ring) in the speedometer in MPH rather than KPH. It may be more difficult to resell an 'US' vehicle and you may get less for it. Dealer supplied bonuses (e.g. free oil changes for the first year) are usually not valid in Canada. Some automatic climate control and computer data information can also be in Imperial measurements. Some vehicles can easily switch between Imperial and Metric measurements while others cannot.


This information is supplied to the best of our knowledge, if you have any recommendations or corrections please let us know.

Okay now you're convinced to buy in the US. How do you do it?

Follow the import instructions posted at the Registrar Of Imported Vehicles. http://www.riv.ca/english/html/how_to_import.html. It's easier than it sounds.

If you have any questions, ask those of us at RFD who've gone through the process.


Can anyone tell me the process to secure a good price in the US? I phoned Cars Direct but they told me I need a US address and must pay state tax...not consistent with what I'm reading elsewhere

[dealhuntre]

Just in case my question got lost in my "quote reply"....

Can anyone tell me the process to secure a good price in the US? I phoned Cars Direct but they told me I need a US address and must pay state tax...not consistent with what I'm reading elsewhere

[bug]

They had a story about this on Pulse News(CFCF) last night, and spoke with a dealer in Burlington Vermont who said they will bring the paperwork to the border for Canadian customers. He said about 30% of their sales are to Canadians.

[yyz2hkg]

They had a story about this on Pulse News(CFCF) last night, and spoke with a dealer in Burlington Vermont who said they will bring the paperwork to the border for Canadian customers. He said about 30% of their sales are to Canadians.

What make and model of vehicles do they sell?

[dealhuntre]

Can't find the clip...can you be more specific?...googled CFCF and Pulse News but no obvious thread.

What I'm looking for is if there are any internet sites that will get quotes from US dealerships for people without US addresses

[diigii]

Start by going to edmunds.com and choose your car there. Then, after seeing the invoice cost (which is what US dealers will sell you, not the MSRP), find out which dealer is closest to you by inputting a zip code. If you don't have any idea what the zip code of the closest city where you live, go the manufacturer's US website and use their dealer locator link. After typing in the zip code, edmunds.com will provide with a list of dealers in the area.

If you read thru the forums (start around page 150) and you will get all the answers to all your questions. That's what I did. You have to do your research. All the people here who bought their cars did their own research too.

Just in case my question got lost in my "quote reply"....

Can anyone tell me the process to secure a good price in the US? I phoned Cars Direct but they told me I need a US address and must pay state tax...not consistent with what I'm reading elsewhere

[chadw01]

Start by going to edmunds.com and choose your car there. Then, after seeing the invoice cost (which is what US dealers will sell you, not the MSRP), find out which dealer is closest to you by inputting a zip code. If you don't have any idea what the zip code of the closest city where you live, go the manufacturer's US website and use their dealer locator link. After typing in the zip code, edmunds.com will provide with a list of dealers in the area.

If you read thru the forums (start around page 150) and you will get all the answers to all your questions. That's what I did. You have to do your research. All the people here who bought their cars did their own research too.

Why wouldn't US dealers try to sell you MSRP? Isn't the markup where they make their money on you?

[diigii]

MSRP is the Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price. That is just that, SUGGESTED. Dealers can sell below that by selling you between that amount and their invoice cost, the price they pay for the cars they sell. Beyond that invoice cost, they get holdback (4-8%) on each car they sell. That's why they can sell them at their invoice cost. www.edmunds.com has a lot of resource materials for understanding how dealers determine their selling to price to consumers. Sadly, we don't have that openness here in Canada. US dealers are more open to negotiations.

Why wouldn't US dealers try to sell you MSRP? Isn't the markup where they make their money on you?

[DSTU]

Can anyone tell me the process to secure a good price in the US? I phoned Cars Direct but they told me I need a US address and must pay state tax...not consistent with what I'm reading elsewhere

Two words for ya brother.

Read & Search

[jayk]

if you lived in eastern Canada, why would you go through other US cities rather than just Buffalo which is closest to the border?

[scouzi]

They had a story about this on Pulse News(CFCF) last night, and spoke with a dealer in Burlington Vermont who said they will bring the paperwork to the border for Canadian customers. He said about 30% of their sales are to Canadians.

If it's the Subaru dealer, that's exactly what they did for me.

[drayog]

MSRP and Invoice cost. Yes US dealers are way better to negotiate with, willing to move on sticker price. I find dealers in Canada very hard to move with. Seems they try to tell us that 500 off MSRP is a deal. You've got to be kidding. They are still making lots of profit, and what about this Employee Pricing that = Joke

[jrvic]

Either way, you will not be able to take advantage of the warranty in a Canadian dealership without expressed written approval from Lexus USA ... you might be lucky and have a dealership do warranty work on the US side...

Hope that helps.

Where did you get this info regarding getting Lexus warranty?

[Monsieurmaggot]

Count me in for a RFD "meet and greet".

Might I suggest we meet somewhere along a main artery (say like Yorkdale, Square One or Scarborough Town Centre). Some of us don't live near downtown Toronto.

I'd love to meet Karl even though I didn't buy my Subaru from him.

I appreciate the fact that he's on the forum discussing US sales.

[Gentile]

My buddy and I drove down to New Hampshire this weekend to pick up 2 motorcycles we had purchased. They are slavage title bikes but the damage is very minimal, well worth the price. We paid less than half what we would here. The border was quick and painless on both sides (Calais, ME/St Stephen, NB) because the do it about 20 times a day they said. Purchased from Argo Cycles if anyone is interested, pm me for who we dealt with.

And just to confirm - there is no duty on motorcycles.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Today in about a year, this thread has become the third most popular on RFDs surpassing all others in it's quick popularity.

At this rate, it will become the most popular thread this time next year.

Thanks to everyone who's contributed.

Thanks for all your PM emails (even those from dealers and negative emailers out there! - you know who you are!)

I'm glad this thread is making you nervous!

YES it is possible to buy in the US at CONSIDERABLE savings. YES I have personally imported a car! I won't stop saying that. For the dealers out there reading this and sending me emails, I say this: "Drop your pricing and I will be the first to send business your way". Until then, choke on your sales literature!.

[RRKnight]

thanks for letting us know your honest experience and the photo above. I was really thinking about van bortel now im convinced.....

Here's another dealer I dealt with and was able to beat Van Bortel's price by $100 and it was 1.5 hours closer to GTA.

West-Herr Subaru
Sales guy, Martin.

He did all the paper work for me and no BS on extra cost here or there. Great guy to deal with, got my 08 outback in 3 days. No delay or problems at all. If you want to save some gas, drop by at West-Herr. Make sure you show them your Van Bortel price so that you can save another $100.

[jadeboy]

Where did you get this info regarding getting Lexus warranty?

Lexus and Toyota will honor warranty in North America. Driving TV had an epsiode on this. I also hear from another Lexus owner who has said the same from www.clublexus.com.

[diigii]

Way to go, Monsieurmaggot! After reading this whole thread when I signed up, I will never buy a car here from any Canadian dealers who rips off consumers with their reasoning that their inventory was purchased when the dollar was higher. And why aren't manufacturer's rebate passed along to consumers? And the generic press statement that says cars here are priced at what the Canadian market will bear, that's a crock of *****!!!! Here's the fact that the head offices should heed: lower your prices or risk losing to educated shoppers. We, consumers, have the money and ultimate decision in completing any kind of purchase. If we don't get treated fairly, we will go to the US where it's cheaper.

BUY YOUR CARS IN THE US AND SAVE YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY.

Today in about a year, this thread has become the third most popular on RFDs surpassing all others in it's quick popularity.

At this rate, it will become the most popular thread this time next year.

Thanks to everyone who's contributed.

Thanks for all your PM emails (even those from dealers and negative emailers out there! - you know who you are!)

I'm glad this thread is making you nervous!

YES it is possible to buy in the US at CONSIDERABLE savings. YES I have personally imported a car! I won't stop saying that. For the dealers out there reading this and sending me emails, I say this: "Drop your pricing and I will be the first to send business your way". Until then, choke on your sales literature!.

[DSTU]

Way to go, Monsieurmaggot! After reading this whole thread when I signed up, I will never buy a car here from any Canadian dealers who rips off consumers with their reasoning that their inventory was purchased when the dollar was higher. And why aren't manufacturer's rebate passed along to consumers? And the generic press statement that says cars here are priced at what the Canadian market will bear, that's a crock of *****!!!! Here's the fact that the head offices should heed: lower your prices or risk losing to educated shoppers. We, consumers, have the money and ultimate decision in completing any kind of purchase. If we don't get treated fairly, we will go to the US where it's cheaper.

BUY YOUR CARS IN THE US AND SAVE YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY.

Car sales in Canada are still strong, there is no reason why the Manufacturers will lower prices. As they have said in many replies, they price their vehicles to what the market will bear.

In the US its a whole different market, competition is much stronger, that is why they sell mostly at invoice prices.

What the Manufacturers will probably do is restrict warranty coverage or lobby the gov't to restrict imports.

I've read that only about 80 families control most of the dealer market in Canada. The government should investigate this ogliopoly.

[diigii]

I doubt they will try to lobby the federal government to restrict imports. That would be against the spirit of free trade that this country signed on for, and where the various car manufacturers benefitted for millions and millions of dollars in duty free goods between the three countries. That smacks of ignorance on their part.

Either way, consumers now have a choice if they want to save money or not. But for the educated shoppers in this forum, they have the last laugh and are ahead by thousands and thousands of dollars in savings. As what Finance Min. Jim Flaherty said, "it's up to the consumer to shop around." I don't think that is the tone the Canadian head offices of manufacturers are looking to hear. But who knows? The federal gov't might change its mind if it's blackmailed with loss of auto manufacturing jobs if cross-border purchases isn't addressed. But in the meantime, let's enjoy this rare economic benefit given to us consumers. IT'S OUR MONEY AND OUR CHOICE.

By the way, interest rates will go up again next month. The Canadian dollar will appreciate a bit and will make a difference in savings again!

Car sales in Canada are still strong, there is no reason why the Manufacturers will lower prices. As they have said in many replies, they price their vehicles to what the market will bear.

In the US its a whole different market, competition is much stronger, that is why they sell mostly at invoice prices.

What the Manufacturers will probably do is restrict warranty coverage or lobby the gov't to restrict imports.

[yyz2hkg]

I'm in, where should we meet. Preferably somewhere in the GTA.

Please PM your request to yyz2hkg, so we can avoid letting all the CAD dealers know where we will meet.

If the timing works for me - count me in too. GTA would be best - why not somewhere in the city, how about High Park?

PM sent to yy2hkg.

I would gladly join you guys in this meet. But I still have to get my car. Hopefully, this week I can close the deal and pick it up next week. I would still go if the date is set and I don't have my car yet.

I have a few suggestions so we can all make a "noise" about this to the manufacturers' Canadian head offices. We should ask/get Jim Kenzie (Wheels chief contributor) to attend. Or we could get heads of consumer groups who are championing against the high price of consumer goods here, and have a cruise to dealerships and show our disgust by having logos or posters in cars saying "Buy your cars in the US for cheap!" or something. I know the last one sounds radical and disruptive and might get in trouble with the police. But the point is to make the public aware. As what Finance Minister Jim Flaherty said last week, "the consumer must shop around for better prices." The head offices will react once they see there is evidence of consumer action against their robbery pricing.

That's just my two cents to the dollar opinion. :)

Count me in for a RFD "meet and greet".

Might I suggest we meet somewhere along a main artery (say like Yorkdale, Square One or Scarborough Town Centre). Some of us don't live near downtown Toronto.

I'd love to meet Karl even though I didn't buy my Subaru from him.

I appreciate the fact that he's on the forum discussing US sales.

This is going to be a tough one...I don't know where to start....but so far, about 3-4 people interested as stated above. I remember MonsieurMaggot had a list of successful imports, maybe I can start from there and make a successful meet out of this. This would be fun, share some stories and see each other's vehicles. I'll keep everyone posted.

[Monsieurmaggot]

The Ministry of Transportation will gladly take a photocopy of your certificate of title and return the original after they view it for verification of the photocopy. Here is the link and wording on Ontario's MTO website: http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/rgoutcan.htm

"The original copy of the vehicle registration permit in your name. If the permit is not in your name, a signed Bill of Sale describing the vehicle fully from the seller to you is also required. If you have a Certificate of Title in your name and wish to keep it, you must provide a legible photocopy of the title with the original. The licence office will view the original title, keep the photocopy and return the original to you at the same time. The ministry does not mail back titles to applicants. Make sure you collect your title before you leave the licence office."

Anyway, enjoy your new car!

I tried that with the MTO in Toronto. They insisted on keeping the original and offered me a photocopy.

Here's what the original looked like.


http://farm1.static.flickr.com/208/516559881_45286ade67.jpg

The back of the form was notarized with the trail showing the car came from the factory and was acquired by a dealer in Pennsylvania. There was a dealer trade and the vehicle was assigned to my dealer in Buffalo. I am listed as the original owner and took possession of the vehicle with 7 miles on the odometer. The car actually had 5 miles on it when I took possession. I added the two doing a test drive before I actually paid for it.

As I called Subaru to request the recall letter, they already had me listed in their system as the original owner. Gotta love computers.

The recall letter also was copied to Subaru Canada's warranty group.

[MrDisco]

Thanks for all your PM emails (even those from dealers and negative emailers out there! - you know who you are!)


Without naming names, what are some of the comments you are receiving from dealers?

[johnsa]

My buddy and I drove down to New Hampshire this weekend to pick up 2 motorcycles we had purchased. They are slavage title bikes but the damage is very minimal, well worth the price. We paid less than half what we would here. The border was quick and painless on both sides (Calais, ME/St Stephen, NB) because the do it about 20 times a day they said. Purchased from Argo Cycles if anyone is interested, pm me for who we dealt with.

And just to confirm - there is no duty on motorcycles.

Let us know if you are able to register them..I have heard some provinces will not allow you to rebuild and register salvage cars or motorcycles from the USA..

[johnsa]

Drove my 2007 Maxima SL home today..total border time at 1000 islands crossing was about 1/2 hr....total price before PST/GST= 28,500 cdn..BEST price here about 40-41k (list 44k)

I did not provide them with original cert of origin 72 hrs in advance..just showed up..no problems....had faxed a copy to Buffalo as a backup plan...

Once I sell my existing 2004 Maxima I will be making another trip down to import a vehicle and resell it...nor sure what, yet...

[New2Subaru]

I just drove back from Rochester yesterday with the Legacy 2.5i Sedan.
Karl and the team are very professional.

Also thanks Monsieurmaggot for starting this valuable thread!

[cobretti]

By any chance is the owner of the brand new 08 Outback (Diamond Gray) parked off Gibbs Rd today on this forum? Still had the NY temporary permit on. The car looked absolutely great - congrats! I work across the road so would be great if I could bounce a few ?'s off you:D

[RRKnight]

By any chance is the owner of the brand new 08 Outback (Diamond Gray) parked off Gibbs Rd today on this forum? Still had the NY temporary permit on. The car looked absolutely great - congrats! I work across the road so would be great if I could bounce a few ?'s off you:D



Hi, I'm the owner of the new 08 Outback, purchased from West-Herr NY.

[diigii]

Congratulations!!! Enjoy your new car!

I just drove back from Rochester yesterday with the Legacy 2.5i Sedan.
Karl and the team are very professional.

Also thanks Monsieurmaggot for starting this valuable thread!

[diigii]

Congratulations too!!! Enjoy your new Subaru!

Hi, I'm the owner of the new 08 Outback, purchased from West-Herr NY.

[caribbeansun]

Does anyone know if any of the other entities within the West-Herr Automotive Group Canadian friendly or is it just the Subaru dealer?

[TorontoEh]

Drove my 2007 Maxima SL home today..total border time at 1000 islands crossing was about 1/2 hr....total price before PST/GST= 28,500 cdn..BEST price here about 40-41k (list 44k)

I did not provide them with original cert of origin 72 hrs in advance..just showed up..no problems....had faxed a copy to Buffalo as a backup plan...

Once I sell my existing 2004 Maxima I will be making another trip down to import a vehicle and resell it...nor sure what, yet...

WOW!!! That' some crazy amount of savings man!!!! YIKES.....

P.S. Canadian Dealers if you're reading - TAKE NOTE OF THE ABOVE DIFFERENCE. Cuz I'm one of the RFD'ers who's almost done completing my sale at WEST HERR NY :) It's a SUBY.......;)

[childofthestorm]

Drove my 2007 Maxima SL home today..total border time at 1000 islands crossing was about 1/2 hr....total price before PST/GST= 28,500 cdn..BEST price here about 40-41k (list 44k)

I did not provide them with original cert of origin 72 hrs in advance..just showed up..no problems....had faxed a copy to Buffalo as a backup plan...

Once I sell my existing 2004 Maxima I will be making another trip down to import a vehicle and resell it...nor sure what, yet...

Where did you buy? Dealer recommendation?

[can2000]

Drove my 2007 Maxima SL home today..total border time at 1000 islands crossing was about 1/2 hr....total price before PST/GST= 28,500 cdn..BEST price here about 40-41k (list 44k)

I did not provide them with original cert of origin 72 hrs in advance..just showed up..no problems....had faxed a copy to Buffalo as a backup plan...

Once I sell my existing 2004 Maxima I will be making another trip down to import a vehicle and resell it...nor sure what, yet...

Congras! Is your car still in KM system ? how is the warranty?
Dealer's contact info.? etc

thanks for sharing.

[whampoa]

As what Finance Min. Jim Flaherty said, "it's up to the consumer to shop around." I don't think that is the tone the Canadian head offices of manufacturers are looking to hear. But who knows? The federal gov't might change its mind if it's blackmailed with loss of auto manufacturing jobs if cross-border purchases isn't addressed.

I heed the finance minister word, I shop around...south of the border.

And what loss of auto manufacturing jobs, if anything it should be the other way around.

As more vehicles is manufacture here, to meet the demand from dealership in the border states. ;)


BTW, tips to the wise, there's no sales tax on clothes and shoes in Pennsylvania.

During the major US holidays season, i.e. Labor day, thanksgiving, etc. The saving are huge.

I heard Erie, PA is full of outlet malls. Any other suggestion for canucks from Ontario?

[Monsieurmaggot]

Without naming names, what are some of the comments you are receiving from dealers?

While no one actually says they are a dealer (or represent one) I am told my information is misleading and that I'm not providing all the facts. I'm making it sound too easy to import and fail to bring up issues with warranties and false claims about "true title". WTF? I think I've made it pretty apparent on this thread that with a $15,000 - $20,000 savings, I wouldn't get too hung up on warranties. The Canadian dealers really push "piece of mind". GET OVER IT!

I'm told I should be ashamed in promoting foreign business and that I'm hurting the livelihood of my fellow residents. Sorry but last time I checked, I don't owe ANYONE a living. As I said before, you want my business, earn it. Treat me with some semblance of dignity. Most of the Canadian consumers are NOT idiots. Stop treating us like we are. Learn to compete. Thanks to the Internet, you don't have a captured market anymore. Perhaps the Canadian Automotive dealers associations should petition the government to ban the Internet.

I am told that I constantly slam Canadian Sales reps. by only quoting MSRP in Canada vs. Invoice pricing in the US on this thread. Quite frankly I do since the Canadian dealers I spoke to like playing the "what do you think it's worth" game. The Canadian guys go out of their way to hide the incentives, the clawbacks and manufacturer to dealer deals. Yes they exist. Ask the Canadian guy to tell you what they are. Good luck. I quote the fact that I offered a GTA area dealer $51,000 for a 2007 Outback Premiere edition and was politely turned down. Maybe if we knew what the Canadian Invoices actually were, we'd really despise the local reps. I know someone is pocketing TENS of THOUSANDS of dollars. You should learn to compete in the North American market.

I'm given lectures on how the frail Canadian economy works. I unfairly attack Canadian companies. No I don't. I only attack the automotive sector. Computers, prescription drugs, food and electronics are sometimes much cheaper in Canada. I offered a dealer a $5000 premium over the US converted price. It was refused.

Another note mentioned that I outright lied when I mentioned that I offered another dealer $350 per month on a 48-month lease with a $15,000 buy back and was turned down. How do they know that? That was an offer that was flatly refused.

Someone mentioned that the "Subarus are so competitively priced" in Canada that I don't give local dealers a chance as I'm basically anti-Canadian! Right.
One dealer offered to "eat" the $1500 PDI. I needed to accept a $299 administration feed as well as "security etching" for $200. In that case it was non-negotiable since the cars came from the factory with the security etching!

Did I also mention when asked why there's a $900 premium on Canadian PDI, I'm told the rest is for "duty" and "import taxes". That came directly from a sales rep.

Sure the automotive sector can't be compared to the US but then again, someone consciously chose not to compete. Why is it that many vehicles in the GM line-up are similarly priced OR in the case of the Malibu (last time I checked), actually cheaper in Canada? Can't say it's an exchange issue. Perhaps GM realizes that the Canadian consumer deserves a little respect.

Now I'll get off my soapbox (albeit temporarily!)

I welcome any and ALL emails. I would prefer if those "unbelievers" out there publicly comment on this thread. Get everyone's feedback. I don't have a problem being corrected on this forum.

C'mon you Canadian dealers, you know you want to, but choose not to since you know I'm right!

[TorontoEh]

While no one actually says they are a dealer (or represent one) I am told my information is misleading and that I'm not providing all the facts. I'm making it sound too easy to import and fail to bring up issues with warranties and false claims about "true title". WTF? I think I've made it pretty apparent on this thread that with a $15,000 - $20,000 savings, I wouldn't get too hung up on warranties. The Canadian dealers really push "piece of mind". GET OVER IT!

I'm told I should be ashamed in promoting foreign business and that I'm hurting the livelihood of my fellow residents. Sorry but last time I checked, I don't owe ANYONE a living. As I said before, you want my business, earn it. Treat me with some semblance of dignity. Most of the Canadian consumers are NOT idiots. Stop treating us like we are. Learn to compete. Thanks to the Internet, you don't have a captured market anymore. Perhaps the Canadian Automotive dealers associations should petition the government to ban the Internet.

I am told that I constantly slam Canadian Sales reps. by only quoting MSRP in Canada vs. Invoice pricing in the US on this thread. Quite frankly I do since the Canadian dealers I spoke to like playing the "what do you think it's worth" game. The Canadian guys go out of their way to hide the incentives, the clawbacks and manufacturer to dealer deals. Yes they exist. Ask the Canadian guy to tell you what they are. Good luck. I quote the fact that I offered a GTA area dealer $51,000 for a 2007 Outback Premiere edition and was politely turned down. Maybe if we knew what the Canadian Invoices actually were, we'd really despise the local reps. I know someone is pocketing TENS of THOUSANDS of dollars. You should learn to compete in the North American market.

I'm given lectures on how the frail Canadian economy works. I unfairly attack Canadian companies. No I don't. I only attack the automotive sector. Computers, prescription drugs, food and electronics are sometimes much cheaper in Canada. I offered a dealer a $5000 premium over the US converted price. It was refused.

Another note mentioned that I outright lied when I mentioned that I offered another dealer $350 per month on a 48-month lease with a $15,000 buy back and was turned down. How do they know that? That was an offer that was flatly refused.

Someone mentioned that the "Subarus are so competitively priced" in Canada that I don't give local dealers a chance as I'm basically anti-Canadian! Right.
One dealer offered to "eat" the $1500 PDI. I needed to accept a $299 administration feed as well as "security etching" for $200. In that case it was non-negotiable since the cars came from the factory with the security etching!

Did I also mention when asked why there's a $900 premium on Canadian PDI, I'm told the rest is for "duty" and "import taxes". That came directly from a sales rep.

Sure the automotive sector can't be compared to the US but then again, someone consciously chose not to compete. Why is it that many vehicles in the GM line-up are similarly priced OR in the case of the Malibu (last time I checked), actually cheaper in Canada? Can't say it's an exchange issue. Perhaps GM realizes that the Canadian consumer deserves a little respect.

Now I'll get off my soapbox (albeit temporarily!)

I welcome any and ALL emails. I would prefer if those "unbelievers" out there publicly comment on this thread. Get everyone's feedback. I don't have a problem being corrected on this forum.

C'mon you Canadian dealers, you know you want to, but choose not to since you know I'm right!

+ 1 -THANKS FOR YOU STARTING THIS AMAZING THREAD

and that's why I'll help my cousin buy his subaru 07 from NY :)

[diigii]

it's funny how these dealers try to accuse monsieurmaggot of misleading information and outright lies, and yet they don't even post their explanation for all people to read.

To all those dealers who choose to hide behind their pm messages, why don't you guys come out in the open and explain your side? Care to comment on why you can't mention the various incentives your dealerships get from your manufacturer's head offices? Anyone? Thought so!!

[tzcnd]

While no one actually says they are a dealer (or represent one) I am told my information is misleading and that I'm not providing all the facts. I'm making it sound too easy to import and fail to bring up issues with warranties and false claims about "true title". WTF? I think I've made it pretty apparent on this thread that with a $15,000 - $20,000 savings, I wouldn't get too hung up on warranties. The Canadian dealers really push "piece of mind". GET OVER IT!

I'm told I should be ashamed in promoting foreign business and that I'm hurting the livelihood of my fellow residents. Sorry but last time I checked, I don't owe ANYONE a living. As I said before, you want my business, earn it. Treat me with some semblance of dignity. Most of the Canadian consumers are NOT idiots. Stop treating us like we are. Learn to compete. Thanks to the Internet, you don't have a captured market anymore. Perhaps the Canadian Automotive dealers associations should petition the government to ban the Internet.

I am told that I constantly slam Canadian Sales reps. by only quoting MSRP in Canada vs. Invoice pricing in the US on this thread. Quite frankly I do since the Canadian dealers I spoke to like playing the "what do you think it's worth" game. The Canadian guys go out of their way to hide the incentives, the clawbacks and manufacturer to dealer deals. Yes they exist. Ask the Canadian guy to tell you what they are. Good luck. I quote the fact that I offered a GTA area dealer $51,000 for a 2007 Outback Premiere edition and was politely turned down. Maybe if we knew what the Canadian Invoices actually were, we'd really despise the local reps. I know someone is pocketing TENS of THOUSANDS of dollars. You should learn to compete in the North American market.

I'm given lectures on how the frail Canadian economy works. I unfairly attack Canadian companies. No I don't. I only attack the automotive sector. Computers, prescription drugs, food and electronics are sometimes much cheaper in Canada. I offered a dealer a $5000 premium over the US converted price. It was refused.

Another note mentioned that I outright lied when I mentioned that I offered another dealer $350 per month on a 48-month lease with a $15,000 buy back and was turned down. How do they know that? That was an offer that was flatly refused.

Someone mentioned that the "Subarus are so competitively priced" in Canada that I don't give local dealers a chance as I'm basically anti-Canadian! Right.
One dealer offered to "eat" the $1500 PDI. I needed to accept a $299 administration feed as well as "security etching" for $200. In that case it was non-negotiable since the cars came from the factory with the security etching!

Did I also mention when asked why there's a $900 premium on Canadian PDI, I'm told the rest is for "duty" and "import taxes". That came directly from a sales rep.

Sure the automotive sector can't be compared to the US but then again, someone consciously chose not to compete. Why is it that many vehicles in the GM line-up are similarly priced OR in the case of the Malibu (last time I checked), actually cheaper in Canada? Can't say it's an exchange issue. Perhaps GM realizes that the Canadian consumer deserves a little respect.

Now I'll get off my soapbox (albeit temporarily!)

I welcome any and ALL emails. I would prefer if those "unbelievers" out there publicly comment on this thread. Get everyone's feedback. I don't have a problem being corrected on this forum.

C'mon you Canadian dealers, you know you want to, but choose not to since you know I'm right!

Canadian car dealers can kiss my a**.

Obviously they have a lot of time to email you because they are sitting in the showroom staring out the window at their full lot of cars and wondering where all the customers are.

Buy your new car in the U.S. and keep the savings where they belong - in your pocket.

[scouzi]

it's funny how these dealers try to accuse monsieurmaggot of misleading information and outright lies, and yet they don't even post their explanation for all people to read.

To all those dealers who choose to hide behind their pm messages, why don't you guys come out in the open and explain your side? Care to comment on why you can't mention the various incentives your dealerships get from your manufacturer's head offices? Anyone? Thought so!!

Well I just came back for my first oil change at a local Subaru dealer and I must admit being treated with the most respect. He even gave me a free car wash voucher.

He only asked me if I had bought the Tribeca at an auction or direct from a US dealer. I will give him more business like snow tires and accessories etc.

[tzcnd]

MSRP and Invoice cost. Yes US dealers are way better to negotiate with, willing to move on sticker price. I find dealers in Canada very hard to move with. Seems they try to tell us that 500 off MSRP is a deal. You've got to be kidding. They are still making lots of profit, and what about this Employee Pricing that = Joke

You're going to love this. I had a dealer in T.O. offer me $130 off a Sienna van and thought that was a good deal. (the list price was over $38000). What a f***ing joke. They also had a FJ cruiser on the lot and the special price was $99 off sticker.

These guys just don't get it an they never will because there are still way too many uneducated consumers.

[flaming homer]

Well I just came back for my first oil change at a local Subaru dealer and I must admit being treated with the most respect. He even gave me a free car wash voucher.

He only asked me if I had bought the Tribeca at an auction or direct from a US dealer. I will give him more business like snow tires and accessories etc.While I didn't get a car wash, my local Subaru dealer didn't bat an eye when I came in earlier for minor warranty adjustment and now first oil change. Did get dinged for $55 ++ for it thought, ouch...

[scouzi]

While I didn't get a car wash, my local Subaru dealer didn't bat an eye when I came in earlier for minor warranty adjustment and now first oil change. Did get dinged for $55 ++ for it thought, ouch...


Was that for synthetic oil?

[scouzi]

You're going to love this. I had a dealer in T.O. offer me $130 off a Sienna van and thought that was a good deal. (the list price was over $38000). What a f***ing joke. They also had a FJ cruiser on the lot and the special price was $99 off sticker.

These guys just don't get it an they never will because there are still way too many uneducated consumers.

Not to defend them but people are buying them at these prices. If I would be a dealer, I would probably do the same thing.

I do hate these silly price negociations with dealers in $100 increments. Just give me the best price and I will decide. I especially hate it when they have to talk to the manager for $100.

[tzcnd]

Well I just came back for my first oil change at a local Subaru dealer and I must admit being treated with the most respect. He even gave me a free car wash voucher.

He only asked me if I had bought the Tribeca at an auction or direct from a US dealer. I will give him more business like snow tires and accessories etc.

Here's a very smart dealership. They know that they will not get the sale from you but why not try and be nice because there could be a lot of service business in the future and they make a lot of money on service.

I had the same experience when I went to my local Toyota dealership for my first oil change on my Sienna. When I entered the drive thru oil change lane they asked me my information and I told them it was a U.S. vehicle and that the odometer was in miles. They didn't have any problem with that. They asked if I wanted a free car wash (the car wash machine is part of the dealership) and they gave me a coupon for a free coffee and cookie (there is a restaurant in the dealership). They also have a free putting green in the dealership if you want to practice your golf while you are waiting for your car. When I got my van back I noticed that the oil change reminder sticker listed the mileage in miles (not km)and it listed the proper suggested distance of 5000 miles. Very professional experience. I will be back to them if I need warranty work.

[TorontoEh]

You're going to love this. I had a dealer in T.O. offer me $130 off a Sienna van and thought that was a good deal. (the list price was over $38000). What a f***ing joke. They also had a FJ cruiser on the lot and the special price was $99 off sticker.

These guys just don't get it an they never will because there are still way too many uneducated consumers.

You're right, I guess people are lazy, specially some in car buying as it involves so much researching, but then they dont realize like us on RFD, that it could translate savings of up to $25K!!!! in my case....

Like these folks recently were cheering that they bought a brand new car, telling all their friends and stuff about getting such a good deal, i asked where and said here in TO :) i said Great savings....lol

[diigii]

When I bought my car brand new, I always took it back to the dealer for its oil changes. I did that for 5 yrs. From time to time, I'd get discount coupons from the mail, giving me special $23.95 oil change. Regular oil change was $28.95. Then discount coupons stopped arriving from the mail. Meanwhile, oil changes went up to $34.95 . Add to that the taxes and this RIDICULOUS $2.50 environmental fee for disposing used oil. You're looking at around $43 for a friggin oil change!! Why is there an additional $2.50 masked as an environmental fee just so they can pad their service dept profit when the dealer sells the used oil to recycling companies?!!! That is just so wrong. It's called double dipping!!!!! So what did I do?? I started taking my car to Costco for just $23.79 for an oil change, no environmental fee. And best of all, they use Castrol GTX. What do dealers use for their oil changes? Maybe it's just Motomaster-branded oil. Let's hear it from any dealers refute my accusation? :)

While I didn't get a car wash, my local Subaru dealer didn't bat an eye when I came in earlier for minor warranty adjustment and now first oil change. Did get dinged for $55 ++ for it thought, ouch...

[TorontoEh]

wow 30 folks reading this thread...man is it just me or is it getting hot in here ..lol:




;)

[whampoa]

Wow, Monsieur there's alot of hate out there for you.

Appearantly, there's enough sheeps for some unformentioned dealerships to keep practising their crap.

I am with you bro, we need to support our Canadian brethren who really need our support.

Not some charlatans who just want to charge us more for less.

[tzcnd]

While I didn't get a car wash, my local Subaru dealer didn't bat an eye when I came in earlier for minor warranty adjustment and now first oil change. Did get dinged for $55 ++ for it thought, ouch...

Unless that was synthetic oil then it seems a little too high. I would look to another Subaru dealer.

[PAVV]

Right before this thread began i was shopping for a car in the United States. I thought I would share my experience and knowledge gained from bringing the car back to Canada. First off I was shopping for a Volvo because I am a student and I needed cheap insurance and a reliable car. I ended up finding a Volvo 850 on ebay and some how won with a 1300 dollar bid. For 6 months I watched autotrader for the same vehicle and I could only find ones for $5000dollars and up with 250K on the car. This car not only had 150K, it had brand new oil pan ($800) Transmission ($1400) and Brakes ($200) all reciepts were included and from 2006. I was floored making up the cost in new parts alone. So next I had to get organized I made sure I had the american ownership faxed to the border along with the Bill of Sale 3 days prior to bringing it across. After paying taxes, registration fees, trip permit, and fuel to go pick up the car I was only up to 2000 dollars. The hardest thing about bringing the car back was finding American customs comming from the american side (Crossed at Windsor open 24/7). It took about an hour between the American and Canadian customs to get across and I was on my way home. The car has been running flawlessly for 6 months and if I decide to sell it I'll make all my money back and more. The benifits of getting a used car in the states is there is usually no rust on it (given it's about 10 hours south) and a lot of the are fully loaded (so key).
It's way easier then you think remeber i have never done this before and I had no help.

First off check the list to see if you can even import your vehicle. My car was made in Swedan luckily(right before the americans bought volvo) If it's a car that was originally made outside the US but for sale in the US you do not have any extra fees.

Make sure you have
Trip permit
American ownership (Certifcate of Title)
Bill of Sale
Registration with RIV letting them know your bringing the car across
Money for Taxes and Fuel
Recall clearance letter (Had to contact Volvo Canada and they faxed it to my right away......easy stuff)

Very Important to
Fax Bill of Sale and Ownership 3 days before crossing the border to the american customs at that border
Register with RIV and make sure you have a recall clearance letter

Final steps
Get the car inspected in Canada (WHAT A JOKE...hahaha)
Get Canadian ownership = ontario taxes!!
Get plates
and your on your way

[st7860]

- I couldn't care less about the Canadian dealers, they dug their own hole.

look at this
http://vancouver.craigslist.org/search/sss?query=prius

there's a guy selling a 'b package' prius 2007, with only 50 MILES on it for $38,000. I bet he's importing them from the US.

the toyota prius price differential between Canada and the USA is one of the biggest, for cars under $40,000.

[johnsa]

Congras! Is your car still in KM system ? how is the warranty?
Dealer's contact info.? etc

thanks for sharing.

www.openroadnissan.com Morristown NJ, 6 hrs from 1000 is bridge..

973-267-0800 ask for Jimmy....not many 2007 left but give hime a call he might find something. Warranty is valid in canada as confirmed with Nissan USA (and my owners manual)..


P.S.when Canada Customs charged me GST at the border, they did it on the US price, and not Cdn converted price..also forgot the $100 air tax.....saved me almost $200.....oops....

[whampoa]

While I didn't get a car wash, my local Subaru dealer didn't bat an eye when I came in earlier for minor warranty adjustment and now first oil change. Did get dinged for $55 ++ for it thought, ouch...

What kind of minor warranty adjustment? I have some minor scratches, is that covered under the warranty?

Currently, Subaru Canada is running the 2007 Spring and Summer Service Specials until September 21, 2007.

http://www.subaru.ca/WebPage.asp?WebSiteID=282&WebPageID=6499

[whampoa]

P.S.when Canada Customs charged me GST at the border, they did it on the US price, and not Cdn converted price..also forgot the $100 air tax.....saved me almost $200.....oops....

You might get away at the border, but you might be surprise when you try to register your vehicle at the MTO and pay the PST.

And also, you might get a letter from your friendly Revenue Canada office in regard to the GST. They are very perceptive in this kind of matter.

[flaming homer]

Unless that was synthetic oil then it seems a little too high. I would look to another Subaru dealer.Nope, regular oil, there was extra charges for "inspection" as it is it's very first oil change. My baby is getting Costco Synthenic next time @ 7500 Miles

The minor warranty work had to do with the hill-holder break (yes, it's a MANUAL transmission car !!!!). It was too tight, basically was on all the time whenever I was driving after hitting the breaks hard. They charged 1/2 hour of labour against the warranty, I was not asked to pay or front the money.

[diigii]

Castrol Syntec, I think, is around $41.99 at Costco.

Nope, regular oil, there was extra charges for "inspection" as it is it's very first oil change. My baby is getting Costco Synthenic next time @ 7500 Miles

The minor warranty work had to do with the hill-holder break (yes, it's a MANUAL transmission car !!!!). It was too tight, basically was on all the time whenever I was driving after hitting the breaks hard. They charged 1/2 hour of labour against the warranty, I was not asked to pay or front the money.

[Gmax]

Right before this thread began i was shopping for a car in the United States. I thought I would share my experience and knowledge gained from bringing the car back to Canada. First off I was shopping for a Volvo because I am a student and I needed cheap insurance and a reliable car. I ended up finding a Volvo 850 on ebay and some how won with a 1300 dollar bid. For 6 months I watched autotrader for the same vehicle and I could only find ones for $5000dollars and up with 250K on the car. This car not only had 150K, it had brand new oil pan ($800) Transmission ($1400) and Brakes ($200) all reciepts were included and from 2006. I was floored making up the cost in new parts alone. So next I had to get organized I made sure I had the american ownership faxed to the border along with the Bill of Sale 3 days prior to bringing it across. After paying taxes, registration fees, trip permit, and fuel to go pick up the car I was only up to 2000 dollars. The hardest thing about bringing the car back was finding American customs comming from the american side (Crossed at Windsor open 24/7). It took about an hour between the American and Canadian customs to get across and I was on my way home. The car has been running flawlessly for 6 months and if I decide to sell it I'll make all my money back and more. The benifits of getting a used car in the states is there is usually no rust on it (given it's about 10 hours south) and a lot of the are fully loaded (so key).
It's way easier then you think remeber i have never done this before and I had no help.

First off check the list to see if you can even import your vehicle. My car was made in Swedan luckily(right before the americans bought volvo) If it's a car that was originally made outside the US but for sale in the US you do not have any extra fees.

Make sure you have
Trip permit
American ownership (Certifcate of Title)
Bill of Sale
Registration with RIV letting them know your bringing the car across
Money for Taxes and Fuel
Recall clearance letter (Had to contact Volvo Canada and they faxed it to my right away......easy stuff)

Very Important to
Fax Bill of Sale and Ownership 3 days before crossing the border to the american customs at that border
Register with RIV and make sure you have a recall clearance letter

Final steps
Get the car inspected in Canada (WHAT A JOKE...hahaha)
Get Canadian ownership = ontario taxes!!
Get plates
and your on your way

I was just looking for some info on how to import a cheap used car from US. Want to buy one on ebay. But most of the discussion is about new cars. So thanks for the info. Could you answer some questions:

- Did you fax all necessary papers yourself or get the seller to fax them?
- How did you get a trip permit and what is it?
- Registration with RIV letting them know your bringing the car across??? How?? Explain?
- What about insurance? Did you get one? Do i need it?

[abowodun]

Anybody help with where to find DRLs ON/OFF Switch for 2007 Toyota Camry.
I need to take car to Canadian Tire for Federal Inspection and wanted to Switch to ON position.

[diigii]

Do a search. Someone just explained that exact topic with a black tape recently. Begin reading page 220 onwards.

Anybody help with where to find DRLs ON/OFF Switch for 2007 Toyota Camry.
I need to take car to Canadian Tire for Federal Inspection and wanted to Switch to ON position.

[abowodun]

Do a search. Someone just explained that exact topic with a black tape recently. Begin reading page 220 onwards.

Is the switch under the hood or where....dont know how to locate it.
Toyota dealership in Canada wants to collect $200 to do this....i think they are mad already...

[diigii]

Here is your solution to your problem. Courtesy of crasher.

" Originally Posted by crasher View Post
I had the same problem, solution was easy, I cut a small piece of black electrical tape, and stick on top of position which said DRL off.

Is the switch under the hood or where....dont know how to locate it.
Toyota dealership in Canada wants to collect $200 to do this....i think they are mad already...

[Agedashi]

My story briefly,

Two weeks ago a friend told me his father bought a Subaru in the US for about $10,000 less than Ca.

My wife and I were in the market for a new all wheel drive vehicle so I started researching and found this thread among others. Researched and test drove a Honda (no Warranty), a Toyota (no sales) and a Subaru. Found a dealer in Seattle (cars 101) and ordered, paid for and have done the paper work on a 08 Subaru Outback 2.5i limited. My wife and I fly down from Northern BC to pick it up on Thursday evening. The U.S border at Blaine has told me the paper work is in order and the vehicle is good to export as of Thursday. Subaru USA has sent me the letter of recall and insuring it for the return trip was no problem.

The bottom line.... I paid $27,700cad including exchange, bank wire costs, a block heater, remote start, and an arm rest extension. The best price we found in Canada without the above mentioned extras was $40,715cad.

Net savings before GST and PST - $13,015cad (again not incl. the extras).

It will probably cost us about $2,000 to pick it up and drive it home ourselves, but we wanted a little getaway anyways. Now, if you count the 1,691.95 less I'll pay in GST/PST because I'm paying taxes on a lesser total, the trip is more or less free.

As for the Canadian dealers 1 of 2 possibilities exists:

1) The car companies are sticking it to the Canadian dealerships and they are forced to charge these high prices. To this I would say the dealers owe it to themselves and the Canadian public to stand up to the companies and demand more equitable pricing in order to provide fair competition.


2) The dealerships are sticking it to the Canadian public. To this I would say it's a free market so don't be mad at monsieur for spreading the good word.

Either way, $13,000 after tax money is better in my pocket than theirs. And, I will take the advice and spend my savings in Canada...in fact I'm so happy about the savings I may just buy a new iMac in Canada. I checked into it and they are essentially the same price here as in the US (take note car dealers).

One final note of interest is regarding Subaru's warranty. Starting with the 08 models Canadians will now have to pay for warranty work done in Canada and get reimbursed from Subaru of America, or bring the vehicle into the US for the work.

This is fine with me, it just means more air miles on the credit card should I have any problems.

Ciao

Thomas

[smpmush]

What an excellent thread! My lease is set to expire in Oct so i have been researching my options.. After reading this thread and other's it's clear as Canadian consumers we only have one choice! Buying across the boarder is the only option! I am a GM employee who get's suposedly the best price and the difference in price Can/US is amazing! On my vechical of choice, a Chevy Avalanche, the difference in price from my Emp price is around 13K before US rebates and deals are added in! The difference in shipping is $400 alone.. But seeing how GM has all but shut the door on buying US(new) and bringing it up here, I am left with 2 choices.

1.. Buy a Subaru and and save ton's! :)
2.. (and please correct me if I'm wrong here)I could buy a used 07 Avalanche and bring it up... I have not researched the used market yet but i am assuming that there will still be around a $10K savings even buying a 6 month old Av..

If I go with #2 what can I expect for warenty from GM! If any?

On a side note! To any of the dealers who are harrasing the OP! Please direct your anger at the Manufacturers not people who make informed car buying choices! I was in a meeting with some higher ups at work earler this week and the question was asked about an adj in prices to reflect the rise in the Can$>The fellow from regional sales said there are no plans to adj pricing due to the $.
Canadian sales are flat or above last years numbers so in thier eyes there is no need to be more"competitive" with pricing..It's that additude that will make info like this the hottest thing in Canadian Car buying.. With the mainstream news this topic has been getting lately, you would think the car companies would respond but.... as is the case with GM , the Canadian arms of the Car companies are VERY profitable and they need the "cash cow" to balance books so to speak... Like all cows the well does run dry...

Smp

[Luckster]

My story briefly,

Two weeks ago a friend told me his father bought a Subaru in the US for about $10,000 less than Ca.

My wife and I were in the market for a new all wheel drive vehicle so I started researching and found this thread among others. Researched and test drove a Honda (no Warranty), a Toyota (no sales) and a Subaru. Found a dealer in Seattle (cars 101) and ordered, paid for and have done the paper work on a 08 Subaru Outback 2.5i limited. My wife and I fly down from Northern BC to pick it up on Thursday evening. The U.S border at Blaine has told me the paper work is in order and the vehicle is good to export as of Thursday. Subaru USA has sent me the letter of recall and insuring it for the return trip was no problem.

The bottom line.... I paid $27,700cad including exchange, bank wire costs, a block heater, remote start, and an arm rest extension. The best price we found in Canada without the above mentioned extras was $40,715cad.

Net savings before GST and PST - $13,015cad (again not incl. the extras).

It will probably cost us about $2,000 to pick it up and drive it home ourselves, but we wanted a little getaway anyways. Now, if you count the 1,691.95 less I'll pay in GST/PST because I'm paying taxes on a lesser total, the trip is more or less free.

As for the Canadian dealers 1 of 2 possibilities exists:

1) The car companies are sticking it to the Canadian dealerships and they are forced to charge these high prices. To this I would say the dealers owe it to themselves and the Canadian public to stand up to the companies and demand more equitable pricing in order to provide fair competition.


2) The dealerships are sticking it to the Canadian public. To this I would say it's a free market so don't be mad at monsieur for spreading the good word.

Either way, $13,000 after tax money is better in my pocket than theirs. And, I will take the advice and spend my savings in Canada...in fact I'm so happy about the savings I may just buy a new iMac in Canada. I checked into it and they are essentially the same price here as in the US (take note car dealers).

One final note of interest is regarding Subaru's warranty. Starting with the 08 models Canadians will now have to pay for warranty work done in Canada and get reimbursed from Subaru of America, or bring the vehicle into the US for the work.

This is fine with me, it just means more air miles on the credit card should I have any problems.

Ciao

Thomas

Congrats on the new car, I bought a 07 outback from Joe too back in May, and I am now considering an 08. It was definitely the easiest car purchase I've ever made. It's our first Subaru, after owning many Hondas and Toyotas. I would dare to say that the Outback has a better quality feel than both the Camry and Accord. For those of you looking to import a Honda or Toyota, check out the Subaru and you will not regret it.

[hotshu]

My wife and I fly down from Northern BC to pick it up on Thursday evening. The U.S border at Blaine has told me the paper work is in order and the vehicle is good to export as of Thursday.

FYI you can only get it thru the USA border export processing/stamped before 3pm weekdays. Assuming you're picking it up in WA. So if you're trying to cross Thu. evening, take note. Going thru Cdn customs (must use Pacific truck crossing, not Peace Arch), there is no time restriction. BTDT

[bly]

For those who are interested in Mitsubishi US warranty:

"IMPORTANT:
Vehicles operating outside of the U.S., its territories and
possessions are not covered under the terms of this limited
warranty.

NOTE
Vehicles registered in the United States, but temporarily
traveling in Canada or Puerto Rico are covered by the
terms of this warranty and may be brought to Mitsubishi
dealers in Canada or Puerto Rico for warranty covered
repairs."

source: http://www.mitsubishicars.com/media/owners/pdf/2008_pass_car_and_suv_warranty_booklet.pdf

I know Canada offers an extended warranty, so if you move to the US, you are covered. Not sure if the US has an extended warranty as well...

[PAVV]

I was just looking for some info on how to import a cheap used car from US. Want to buy one on ebay. But most of the discussion is about new cars. So thanks for the info. Could you answer some questions:

- Did you fax all necessary papers yourself or get the seller to fax them?
- How did you get a trip permit and what is it?
- Registration with RIV letting them know your bringing the car across??? How?? Explain?
- What about insurance? Did you get one? Do i need it?

Alot of sellers (small and large dealerships the best way to go) on Ebay have dealt with Candian buyers in one way or another it seemed. Everytime I contacted one that were usually aware of the basic needs for Canadians to get it back.

The seller had to fax me the Certificate of Title adn Bill of Sale (therefore it was not original) and I had to sign in all the spaces they marked for me. I had to fax it back to them where they proceeded to fax it to the border of my choice. I also faxed copies to be better safe then sorry. If the do not get it in 3 days advance minimum the you will not be crossing the border.

The trip permit were temporary plates which were pretty expensive but thats because I had to cross 4 states on my way home. There is a sinlge state permit which is dirt cheap and there is a multi state permit which is expensive. I never researched this any further, but just took the dealers word for it. I used the ones I got in the United States for 3 weeks in Canada since it was a 30 day permit. So my car was registered in the US with me so I drove untill I had my Canadian Plates.

If you have automobile insurance on a vehicle you call your insurance company and tell them your bringing a car in from the states and you need insurance. You can get temporary insurance from many companies or ask them to cover your importing vehicle on your way home with existing insurance.

RIV is important, there is a one time fee of 195 dollars I believe and this registers your car so when you cross the border they are aware. The Canadian customs can bring up the file and they do a bunch of paper work which they send on your behalf to the RIV office. After that all you do is wait for the inspection forms to arrive in the mail and it'll have a list of what is needed in order to make the car street legal which usually is a joke. The car must be inspected (daytime running lights, infant restraint kit, do the air bags need service......) all small things
I was missing the infant restraint kit which was a couple bolts and brakets the Volvo dealership wanted 80 dollars so I went the auto wreckers and they gave them to me for free

Sounds like a lot of work here is how long it took me and I'm high balling it

2 hours on paper work

1 hour crossing (if everything is in order)

45 min vehicle inspection, get it E tested while your at it

30 min to get plates, canadian ownership, and a sticker

And a long ass drive!!

[christr]

I am interested to buy a Subaru from the US and just checked RIV website. There is a news alert for the CMVSS 114 which means all the cars manufactured after 1st of September need to meet the requirement. Just wondering anyone knows whether the current Subaru has this kind of immobilization system . Here below is the link

http://www.riv.ca/english/html/news_alert.html

Any information is appreciated

[Luckster]

I am interested to buy a Subaru from the US and just checked RIV website. There is a news alert for the CMVSS 114 which means all the cars manufactured after 1st of September need to meet the requirement. Just wondering anyone knows whether the current Subaru has this kind of immobilization system . Here below is the link

http://www.riv.ca/english/html/news_alert.html

Any information is appreciated

As far as Outback, Legacy and Tribeca, they all have built in immobilizer. This is the chip in the keys, car can not be started without chipped keys. I'm not sure about Impreza or Forester though. Check www.cars101.com to be sure, all the info is there.

[Beradon]

But seeing how GM has all but shut the door on buying US(new) and bringing it up here, Can you elaborate on this? Last I heard GM warranties on new US vehicles were valid in Canada after it is registered for 6 months.

[vim]

I am looking to buy a minivan. Normally, I would buy Toyota Sienna, but with such a big price difference (US and here) I believe that is it a rip off. So my other options:
1. Lease Dodge (Grand) Caravan for a 2-3 years and hope that prices on Sienna will go down.
2. Go to US and buy Sienna LE + Package 3. That is what I would like to buy, but I would have to go south to find a dealer willing to sell. Too much trouble for me. Even at about 10000 savings.
3. Go to Buffalo (I am in Toronto) and buy Honda Odyssey. I know I'll have no waranty, but I assume if there is a big recall, I can go back to Bufallo to fix it (?).

To me best options right now looks like Honda Odyssey without warranty. With about 8000 savings I am willing to take a risk. So my question - anyone bought Honda Odyssey recently in US? Any problems when dealers not willing to sell? Will Buffalo dealers ask to pay state tax? Any other tips ?

Thanks

[diigii]

Why would it be too much trouble for you to save $10,000? Even if you shop a car here in Canada, you'll still do your research in looking for the dealership that will offer you the best price. Make the internet work for you. Most of the people here did their research and shopping by using the internet.

If it was my choice, I would choose the Toyota Sienna over the Honda Odyssey because warranty coverage for the Toyota is assured. If you start reading from page 200, you'll find someone here who have found their Sienna. Yes, there are still US Toyata dealerships willing to sell to Canadians. Just research. It's free. :)

I am looking to buy a minivan. Normally, I would buy Toyota Sienna, but with such a big price difference (US and here) I believe that is it a rip off. So my other options:
1. Lease Dodge (Grand) Caravan for a 2-3 years and hope that prices on Sienna will go down.
2. Go to US and buy Sienna LE + Package 3. That is what I would like to buy, but I would have to go south to find a dealer willing to sell. Too much trouble for me. Even at about 10000 savings.
3. Go to Buffalo (I am in Toronto) and buy Honda Odyssey. I know I'll have no waranty, but I assume if there is a big recall, I can go back to Bufallo to fix it (?).

To me best options right now looks like Honda Odyssey without warranty. With about 8000 savings I am willing to take a risk. So my question - anyone bought Honda Odyssey recently in US? Any problems when dealers not willing to sell? Will Buffalo dealers ask to pay state tax? Any other tips ?

Thanks

[diigii]

As I could remember from reading thru this forum from the beginning, GM's US warranty coverage in Canada starts from 6 months or when the car gets 12,000 kms mileage. Basically, it means that the car should be a used car and have to be registered in the US before it can be exported here in Canada.

Can someone confirm or correct me?

Can you elaborate on this? Last I heard GM warranties on new US vehicles were valid in Canada after it is registered for 6 months.

[johnsa]

You might get away at the border, but you might be surprise when you try to register your vehicle at the MTO and pay the PST.

And also, you might get a letter from your friendly Revenue Canada office in regard to the GST. They are very perceptive in this kind of matter.


Obviously, but who cares.....occasionally even CRA misses details..

[whampoa]

Obviously, but who cares.....occasionally even CRA misses details..

You think, even I and Monsieur got this friendly reminder from CRA.

I will get my paperwork and explanation in order, just in case they ask for it.

And watch out for the exchange rate, they will try to convert from, preferably BOC rate over bank rate.

[thegradas]

News: APA expands Used Car Buying Service

"Members can now obtain cars from the US through a reputable and APA approved dealer/importer. With the appreciation of Canadian currency in respect to the US dollar, you can pay less for used cars in the $25,000 and up category. While you can buy and import a vehicle from the US on your own, the process can take a long time and the risk involved in buying a used car across the border is even greater than usual. By dealing with an APA approved dealer, you can avoid border delays and realize the savings without extra risk. Contact the APA for further details".

apatoronto@apa.ca OR apamontreal@apa.ca

[Agedashi]

FYI you can only get it thru the USA border export processing/stamped before 3pm weekdays. Assuming you're picking it up in WA. So if you're trying to cross Thu. evening, take note. Going thru Cdn customs (must use Pacific truck crossing, not Peace Arch), there is no time restriction. BTDT

Thanks for the info. I think we'll spend the night in Seattle just for kicks.

[tzcnd]

I am looking to buy a minivan. Normally, I would buy Toyota Sienna, but with such a big price difference (US and here) I believe that is it a rip off. So my other options:
1. Lease Dodge (Grand) Caravan for a 2-3 years and hope that prices on Sienna will go down.
2. Go to US and buy Sienna LE + Package 3. That is what I would like to buy, but I would have to go south to find a dealer willing to sell. Too much trouble for me. Even at about 10000 savings.
3. Go to Buffalo (I am in Toronto) and buy Honda Odyssey. I know I'll have no waranty, but I assume if there is a big recall, I can go back to Bufallo to fix it (?).

To me best options right now looks like Honda Odyssey without warranty. With about 8000 savings I am willing to take a risk. So my question - anyone bought Honda Odyssey recently in US? Any problems when dealers not willing to sell? Will Buffalo dealers ask to pay state tax? Any other tips ?

Thanks

Wow I wish that I was as well off as you that a little bit of research and leg work is not worth saving $10000. What kind of job do you have or are you just independently wealthy?
Are you sure that it is a van that you want? Maybe you should be looking at a Rolls-Royce or something like that.

[Monsieurmaggot]

You think, even I and Monsieur got this friendly reminder from CRA.

I will get my paperwork and explanation in order, just in case they ask for it.

And watch out for the exchange rate, they will try to convert from, preferably BOC rate over bank rate.

Actually I never heard from the Federal government. I got a letter from the Ontario Ministry of Finance asking for proof of GST and PST payment.

I called the guy on the MoF letter who told me they wanted to confirm what I had actually declared to Canada Customs. I faxed him over the Canada Customs sheet and my receipt from the MTO.

He was fine with that.

You know the underworked government people need something to do while their Internet screen refreshes (LOL)

[tzcnd]

I didn't say in my post that I have the cash to pay the car in full. Some of the people here took out a loan from their banks, a few took out their loans from PC Financial because they offer cheaper rates. I mentioned in my post the savings worth getting, not my means of paying the car.

What???:confused: :confused: :confused:

My post was not a response to your posting. My post was a response to a post originally from vim.

[chadw01]

Wow I wish that I was as well off as you that a little bit of research and leg work is not worth saving $10000. What kind of job do you have or are you just independently wealthy?
Are you sure that it is a van that you want? Maybe you should be looking at a Rolls-Royce or something like that.

LOL

[fugazi11]

I know it is difficult to find a lexus dealer that will sell to Canadians, but I was wondering if anybody who has done this successfully could please send me a PM of the contact they have found. I like the fact (like subaru) that you save a boat load of $$$ and still get warranty coverage.

[superwell]

Wow I wish that I was as well off as you that a little bit of research and leg work is not worth saving $10000. What kind of job do you have or are you just independently wealthy?
Are you sure that it is a van that you want? Maybe you should be looking at a Rolls-Royce or something like that.



If you read his post again..you will understand that he said that it's not worth the extra $2000 in savings for all the trouble of finding a toyota dealership that will sell to him...not that it's not worth $10000 in savings.

[karl_at_vanbortel]

Count me in for a RFD "meet and greet".

Might I suggest we meet somewhere along a main artery (say like Yorkdale, Square One or Scarborough Town Centre). Some of us don't live near downtown Toronto.

I'd love to meet Karl even though I didn't buy my Subaru from him.

I appreciate the fact that he's on the forum discussing US sales.

Like I said, count me in for a meet. I work 1,000 hours a week thanks to you Canadians so a Sunday would be best! Heck, I'll even bring the beer!:lol:

[picturethismister]

If you have automobile insurance on a vehicle you call your insurance company and tell them your bringing a car in from the states and you need insurance. You can get temporary insurance from many companies or ask them to cover your importing vehicle on your way home with existing insurance.


I am not on any insurance policy, So could I still make my first car purchase from the states:confused:

[karl_at_vanbortel]

I am not on any insurance policy, So could I still make my first car purchase from the states:confused:

Not in New York State. You must provide the dealer with proof of insurance on the vehicle that you are purchasing to legally drive it off of the lot. Once you have a VIN you can set up insurance on your new car.

[Rocklegend]

I think this is the best RFD post! Cheers to the OP!

[jabba]

Thanks to all who shared information and experiences on this forum.

We got back to Calgary from Seattle with our new Sienna a couple of days ago, and just got the Form 2 stamped.

We saved about $13,000 i.e we got an XLE (package 4) for the price of a basic CE.

We found our Toyota dealer by phoning around. Unfortuntely ours was the last sale of a new Toyota they can make to a Canadian customer.

However if you are looking for a very low mileage used vehicle you could try calling the lady we dealt with, Susie Hutchinson at Doxon Toyota (253-833-4555). She is pleasant, straight-forward and helpful. We had an excellent experience with her. (Tell her Lucy said hi.)

[eastsidesubaru]

Not in New York State. You must provide the dealer with proof of insurance on the vehicle that you are purchasing to legally drive it off of the lot. Once you have a VIN you can set up insurance on your new car.

Haha, hey Karl... Zach over at Eastside Subaru in Kirkland, WA here clear on the other side of the country... Now we got West Coast and East Coast represented.. LOL. :)

[Jin]

Picking up a Posrche Boxster (used) in Colorado this weekend and driving it to Vancouver.

Wish me luck.

[pooyaj]

Hey guys,

I just bought an A3 from Ohio. I found the vehicle for 22K USD and purchased through a Toronto dealer specializing in bringing cars from the US. I didn't want to the running around. Cost me an extra $1000 CAD but still worth the deal. Final price was CAD $26K&change + GST & PST

Specs are:

A3 2.0T with 16,000 Km (10,000 Miles)
Open Sky
6-Speed Manual
Silver

[yyz2hkg]

You think, even I and Monsieur got this friendly reminder from CRA.

I will get my paperwork and explanation in order, just in case they ask for it.

And watch out for the exchange rate, they will try to convert from, preferably BOC rate over bank rate.

Count me in too...Gave me a "friendly letter" to call them to verify some details.

[karl_at_vanbortel]

Haha, hey Karl... Zach over at Eastside Subaru in Kirkland, WA here clear on the other side of the country... Now we got West Coast and East Coast represented.. LOL. :)

Cool! I am almost at the point where I would rather be Canadian... except for when I need a car!:lol:

[azul]

Hi, we got the plate for our new Sienna AWD XLE LTD (package #2 and #4) today. It turned out we needed the provincial examination to get it insured(BC) , so it took a bit longer to get everything done.
Thanks to this thread.
We'll do this again very soon.:)

[hotshu]

Picking up a Posrche Boxster (used) in Colorado this weekend and driving it to Vancouver.

Wish me luck.

More like "lucky". Have fun, i bought my last 2 cars, Porsche & BMW used from Colorado. The direct route back to BC is a nice drive on secondary highways. But the last time, I drove to California & up the coast. :D

[Kamloops]

Just got back from Seattle and brought these two gems back.

2004 Dodge Durango Ltd Hemi with every avail option. 32,000 miles. Mint condition for all in at 22K Cad.

2005 Searay 1800 Mint with only 10.5 Hrs. all in at 15K Cad.

Went smooth as silk. Went down for the truck and stumbled across the boat well surfing Ebay in my hotel. Dodge was Craigslist.

My buddy who is a sales manager at a dealer told me the Durango would be approx 30K here and I know the boat would sell easy for 20K

Customs told me they were processing 50 a day easy. Pacific Way Crossing.

One word of advice, print the ad is you found it on ebay or craigslist and bring it with you.

NEVER lie about what you paid to customs. I did that a couple of years ago on a boat, they siezed it and fined me 3700.00 to get it back.

So how do I go about getting Daytime Running lights for this Durango? Anyone know?


http://www.kyra.ca/d1.jpg
http://www.kyra.ca/d2.jpg

[CHIA]

So how do I go about getting Daytime Running lights for this Durango? Anyone know?

Unfortunately, Crappy Tire might be your best bet....have gotten 2 vehicles changed to DRL with them...one was $150, the other was $205...call ahead.

Ideally, you would get the Provincial inspection done at the same time...they do it. They also do the Federal one, which is paid for in your RIV fee....Provincial is not.

[tkyoshi]

Just got back from Seattle and brought these two gems back.

2004 Dodge Durango Ltd Hemi with every avail option. 32,000 miles. Mint condition for all in at 22K Cad.

2005 Searay 1800 Mint with only 10.5 Hrs. all in at 15K Cad.

Went smooth as silk. Went down for the truck and stumbled across the boat well surfing Ebay in my hotel. Dodge was Craigslist.

My buddy who is a sales manager at a dealer told me the Durango would be approx 30K here and I know the boat would sell easy for 20K

Customs told me they were processing 50 a day easy. Pacific Way Crossing.

One word of advice, print the ad is you found it on ebay or craigslist and bring it with you.

NEVER lie about what you paid to customs. I did that a couple of years ago on a boat, they siezed it and fined me 3700.00 to get it back.

So how do I go about getting Daytime Running lights for this Durango? Anyone know?


Chrysler's generally have the DRL module installed already, it's just disabled in the software. All you have to do is have a dealer hook it up to the programming tool (Star Scan) and enable DRL from the options.

Congrats on your new purchase, looking good!

[inspire]

So how do I go about getting Daytime Running lights for this Durango? Anyone know?
Congrats on your purchases! Sounds like you saved a bundle. Now for DRLs on the Durango -- like someone posted before -- go to Canadian Tire ... they are the ones who will be certifying your Form 2, so they can do it for you. I paid $100 + tax (6% GST + 8% PST in Ontario) to get that done (including the DRL unit) so prices may vary, depending on the vehicle (I bought a 2007 Acura TSX).

Good luck! Hopefully ... I might bring over an Acura NSX, if I can find one at the right price!

[ggweci]

Hey guys,

I just bought an A3 from Ohio. I found the vehicle for 22K USD and purchased through a Toronto dealer specializing in bringing cars from the US. I didn't want to the running around. Cost me an extra $1000 CAD but still worth the deal. Final price was CAD $26K&change + GST & PST

Specs are:

A3 2.0T with 16,000 Km (10,000 Miles)
Open Sky
6-Speed Manual
Silver

Nice deal. What company did you go through? Do they do new cars as well?

[Monsieurmaggot]

Haha, hey Karl... Zach over at Eastside Subaru in Kirkland, WA here clear on the other side of the country... Now we got West Coast and East Coast represented.. LOL. :)

Sweet.

All we need is someone in the mid-west and we're covered.

I noticed that Van Bortel now has a "Canadian Customers" link. It's good to see that some groups appreciate our business. Tie that to their "build your own Subaru" link and you get a pretty good idea what you can expect to actually pay.

Great stuff.

For me, the importing process all started with the cars101.com website. That guy actually spelled out the whole process.

I've asked my WNY dealer why they don't have more of an Internet presence.

The joke about this whole thing is that any similar Canadian dealer link insists on always quoting MSRP pricing which doesn't vary at all from region to region. Doesn't give you any reason to shop around.

[kuqdew]

debating whetehr to do this

[RRKnight]

debating whetehr to do this

Do it, I did and I'm happy with my purchase. The process might look long, but it's the easiest thing I've ever done. There is more effort to fill out a mortgage application than to go through the process of importing a car.:D

[Lookin' for deals]

I am looking for a Lexus dealer also !!! >:(

If you find one let me know !!

Thanks...

[Monsieurmaggot]

debating whetehr to do this


No debate necessary. From an earlier post you'd see the RFD member "Kamloops" saved enough money buying a truck in the US he could buy a power boat to go along with it.

I saved almost $20,000 buying a Subaru and still can't get over it.

Now's the time to do it.

There's a lot of press about this going around. Some manufacturers are putting a stop to this practice by quietly not permitting sales to Canadians (look at Toyota, Honda, Chrysler and Lexus). They all agree to honour the warranties knowing full-well that getting someone to sell you a new car will be difficult.

I wouldn't be surprised that more manufacturers jump on that bandwagon until someone with litigation experience (a lawyer) gets refused a purchase and starts a class action lawsuit.

I've read that www.HeritageVT.com still sells Toyotas to Canadians. They are in Vermont. You know this will end shortly.

If in doubt, buy a Subaru. Karl and Eastside Subaru are RFD members and will happily sell you one.

There's lots of us on this forum who'd promote nothing less.

[karl_at_vanbortel]

Sweet.

All we need is someone in the mid-west and we're covered.

I noticed that Van Bortel now has a "Canadian Customers" link. It's good to see that some groups appreciate our business. Tie that to their "build your own Subaru" link and you get a pretty good idea what you can expect to actually pay.

Great stuff.

For me, the importing process all started with the cars101.com website. That guy actually spelled out the whole process.

I've asked my WNY dealer why they don't have more of an Internet presence.

The joke about this whole thing is that any similar Canadian dealer link insists on always quoting MSRP pricing which doesn't vary at all from region to region. Doesn't give you any reason to shop around.

I really wish I had the time and the skill to emulate Joe Spitz's website. That is actually a tool that I use on a regular basis! I can't speak for other WNY dealers but I do know that a lot of sales people just can't put in the time that a Canadian sale requires. I love it and actually feel like I am preforming some sort or good deed by helping you Canucks!!! I am really glad to see that people are noticing our Canadian mini site. That was my only option as Subaru of Canada made us stop advertising in the metro TO area. Bastards!

[diigii]

That was my only option as Subaru of Canada made us stop advertising in the metro TO area. Bastards!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I bet Karl has seen Don Cherry's Rock 'em Sock 'Em videos! Some egos in Mississauga are smarting right now from what they just read. :cheesygri

[silverspec]

Nice deal. What company did you go through? Do they do new cars as well?

Yes, please share the company with us.
I have been contemplating getting a car from the states for a few months, but have been holding off because I am not totally comfortable with all the paperwork, etc.

[can2000]

Yes, please share the company with us.
I have been contemplating getting a car from the states for a few months, but have been holding off because I am not totally comfortable with all the paperwork, etc.

+1.

Maybe we can group together to States on long weekend... ;)

[scouzi]

I really wish I had the time and the skill to emulate Joe Spitz's website. That is actually a tool that I use on a regular basis! I can't speak for other WNY dealers but I do know that a lot of sales people just can't put in the time that a Canadian sale requires. I love it and actually feel like I am preforming some sort or good deed by helping you Canucks!!! I am really glad to see that people are noticing our Canadian mini site. That was my only option as Subaru of Canada made us stop advertising in the metro TO area. Bastards!


How can Subaru Canada make you stop advertising? You have no link to them.

As far as a Subaru website,

I used this one to locate mine

www.sne1.com

It's got the in stock of all of New-England Subaru dealers. Subaru of New Engand is actually the distributor for those 6 states.

When you click on a car, they used to have a "make an offer" box. But it's gone now.

[whampoa]

How can Subaru Canada make you stop advertising? You have no link to them.

I think Karl meant advertising in the Toronto and GTA print ads. Not on the internet.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Buying in the US is now a family affair.

My brother is looking at picking up a Lexus ES, IS or RX350 truck (sorry SUV!).

I know there are dealers out there selling new Lexus' "under the table".

If you know them, please PM me.

There'd be no problem finding "demo" units for sale as long as they're considered "used".

Barring that, he's considering a Subaru model since I've already done the legwork on them.

Let me know what you know.

[karl_at_vanbortel]

I think Karl meant advertising in the Toronto and GTA print ads. Not on the internet.

Subaru of Canada called Subaru of America who then called our distributorship, Subaru Distributors Corp. SDC then called us and politely "asked" us to take down our advertising and mini-site by the end of the day.>:(

[kashirat]

Only if you registered the car in the other province. If you buy a new car in Ontario and drive it to Alberta with the Alberta temporary registration permit you can get from a registry place, the car will never have been previously registered and you wont need an inspection.

Has anyone in Edmonton found a registry which will allow you to register the car without the OOP inspection (or an OOP exemption)? I've contacted 2 registries and they both either need me to have an OOP inspection or apply for an exemption... Which shouldn't be necessary!

[Monsieurmaggot]

Subaru of Canada called Subaru of America who then called our distributorship, Subaru Distributors Corp. SDC the called us and politely "asked" us to take down our advertising and mini-site by the end of the day.>:(

They can't compete so they whine to the principal instead.

Very nice business practice.

Just so I understand, what advertising and mini-site are you referring to?

My retort: take out a full page ad in the national "Globe and Mail" or "National Post" papers advertising your wares.

Ask for forgiveness after the ad appears.

I understand Toyota's trying to recoup dough after their multi-million dollar class action settlement but the others are simply greedy. Threading the fine line on what exactly is legal and acceptable free trade practices.

[diigii]

I don't know why they whine with their business being encroached upon when they deserved it. I went to the Subaru dealership on Eglinton Ave East, east of Midland Ave, last night to inquire about the Legacy. The only person who took care of me, even has nothing to do with selling the cars, was the receptionist who asked if she could help me. I said I'm interested in the Legacy and asked for some brochures. She happily obliged. I counted 3 salesmen and all ignored me. They all saw me checking out the new Impreza and Legacy, including the lone '07 model on clearance sale. So I don't understand why they cry wolf about losing sales to an American dealership when they ignore people in their showrooms? :-0

Subaru of Canada called Subaru of America who then called our distributorship, Subaru Distributors Corp. SDC the called us and politely "asked" us to take down our advertising and mini-site by the end of the day.>:(

[scouzi]

I think Karl meant advertising in the Toronto and GTA print ads. Not on the internet.

By link I meant business link or contractual link.

[Kamloops]

Wow, came through last night, customs faxed the form 1. I just called RIV to confirm they got it and she said yes everything looks good and she emailed me the form 2 well still on the phone. RIV employees are awesome , have had a good experience whenever dealing with them!

[tkyoshi]

Congrats on your purchases! Sounds like you saved a bundle. Now for DRLs on the Durango -- like someone posted before -- go to Canadian Tire ... they are the ones who will be certifying your Form 2, so they can do it for you. I paid $100 + tax (6% GST + 8% PST in Ontario) to get that done (including the DRL unit) so prices may vary, depending on the vehicle (I bought a 2007 Acura TSX).

Good luck! Hopefully ... I might bring over an Acura NSX, if I can find one at the right price!

Kamloops, I just PMed you the procedure you can try for enabling DRL in the car's software using Daimler-Chrysler StarScan. Like I said in Chrysler's the module is usually present and just disabled in software when the country code is set to US (The Canadian Country Code will not allow DRL to be disabled).

Hopefully this works for you, I haven't personally seen it done on a 2004 Durango though. I just know it works on LX based cars (Charger/Magnum/300).

[caribbeansun]

For those not interested in doing the travel there are a couple of importers you can try:

Canadian Auto Associates in Guelph http://www.canadianautoassociates.com/
who are bringing mostly used US vehicles (Lexus, BMW, Porsche)

and

The Car Company of Canada in Concord http://www.carcompanyofcanada.com/contact.shtml

(these guys are bringing in loaded new Lexus along with BMW, Porsche, etc.) but not very personable if you care about that.

It's also interesting to note a couple of facts:

Lexus Canada had the best ever sales month in their history in May 2007. They just brought out a new "touring package" for the RX350 with Navi and Bluetooth for $2,200 over their premium package and rates as low as 2.5% - maybe they are starting to wake up. I think everyone knows a big drop in retail price isn't going to happen but it seems like they may be trying to bring down the overall cost without hitting the retail $. (Still way too much more than US but it's a start).

[Monsieurmaggot]

I don't know why they whine with their business being encroached upon when they deserved it. I went to the Subaru dealership on Eglinton Ave East, east of Midland Ave, last night to inquire about the Legacy. The only person who took care of me, even has nothing to do with selling the cars, was the receptionist who asked if she could help me. I said I'm interested in the Legacy and asked for some brochures. She happily obliged. I counted 3 salesmen and all ignored me. They all saw me checking out the new Impreza and Legacy, including the lone '07 model on clearance sale. So I don't understand why they cry wolf about losing sales to an American dealership when they ignore people in their showrooms? :-0

Those guys are a bunch of knuckleheads. I stopped in that dealership early on and got the same treatment. Absolutely useless. I asked to speak to a rep. about an Outback. He insisted I look at the demo. Legacy wagon they were trying to pawn off. He wouldn't listen to me. Told me to save my $5000 and stick with the Legacy since it was a much better car.

They have the mindset to think they are trained to spot "tire kickers" and "browsers". Why bother talking to you since you obviously couldn't afford this "premium" car.

The real question is, how could they be playing euchre with three people? Was the manager playing solitaire again?

[caribbeansun]

Nothing pisses me off more than that attitude - in all the lots I've visited over the past two weeks I met exactly one salesman smart enough to not make it obvious he'd made a judgment (if he did at all). Asked probing questions to qualify me without being intrusive ie. what are you driving now, where do you live, what else have you test driven - smart questions and well done. He was a 20+ year vet of the sales game though...


They have the mindset to think they are trained to spot "tire kickers" and "browsers". Why bother talking to you since you obviously couldn't afford this "premium" car.

[Luckster]

Has anyone in Edmonton found a registry which will allow you to register the car without the OOP inspection (or an OOP exemption)? I've contacted 2 registries and they both either need me to have an OOP inspection or apply for an exemption... Which shouldn't be necessary!

Riverbend Registry did mine no problem. All they needed was the Certificate of Origin, You only need an OOP when it's a used vehicle.

[eastsidesubaru]

I really wish I had the time and the skill to emulate Joe Spitz's website. That is actually a tool that I use on a regular basis! I can't speak for other WNY dealers but I do know that a lot of sales people just can't put in the time that a Canadian sale requires. I love it and actually feel like I am preforming some sort or good deed by helping you Canucks!!! I am really glad to see that people are noticing our Canadian mini site. That was my only option as Subaru of Canada made us stop advertising in the metro TO area. Bastards!

haha... imagine how you would feel if you were less than 15 miles from /that/ dealership. It's rough. I've thought about putting something like it together, but that just seems tacky.

Thanks for the good words Monsieur. I think this was a great idea you had and you can tell it's obviously helped a lot of people! I just had two more Canadians leave my dealership in an Outback - they showed me some kind of crazy quote they got from a Vancouver dealership - it was insane! I wish Subaru let us advertise in Vancouver... We just shipped one over to Sasketchewan a week or so ago though.

Karl: I had heard the same thing, we got yelled at for advertising in Canada I think.

[karl_at_vanbortel]

haha... imagine how you would feel if you were less than 15 miles from /that/ dealership. It's rough. I've thought about putting something like it together, but that just seems tacky.

Thanks for the good words Monsieur. I think this was a great idea you had and you can tell it's obviously helped a lot of people! I just had two more Canadians leave my dealership in an Outback - they showed me some kind of crazy quote they got from a Vancouver dealership - it was insane! I wish Subaru let us advertise in Vancouver... We just shipped one over to Sasketchewan a week or so ago though.

Karl: I had heard the same thing, we got yelled at for advertising in Canada I think.

They get to hide behind the "You're advertising in our AOR" bs. All I know is that EVERY Canadian sale I have made can be attributed to this forum, referrals, and word of mouth. Best advertising I could ask for!

[chs]

What a great thread. :)

Has anyone any experience importing pickups or commercial vehicles?
I am in Vancouver, BC and looking to purchase a pickup (GM or Ford)
and Flatdeck single axel and or Cube Van.
Thanks

[chs]

What a great thread. :)

Has anyone any experience importing pickups or commercial vehicles?
I am in Vancouver, BC and looking to purchase a pickup (GM or Ford)
and Flatdeck single axel and or Cube Van.
Thanks

Sorry, More specificaly, I'm looking for a dealer in WA that may have these or be of assistance. Any help greatly appriciated.

[eastsidesubaru]

They get to hide behind the "You're advertising in our AOR" bs. All I know is that EVERY Canadian sale I have made can be attributed to this forum, referrals, and word of mouth. Best advertising I could ask for!

Yeah... It's too bad too, I like the canadian deals.. straightforward and the extra volume is appreciated... Plus you feel good, like a hero or something, for bringing cheap Subaru's across the border. No money to be made on em though :cheesygri Oh well. That's every internet deal right now anyway.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Sorry, More specificaly, I'm looking for a dealer in WA that may have these or be of assistance. Any help greatly appriciated.

I've received emails from a few people who routinely import commercial vehicles into Canada (dump trucks, school buses, coaches).

Apparently the savings for those vehicles are HUGE (since those vehicles are beyond the premium car price range).

Unfortunately I don't have their contact information but I know they're on the sidelines here.

Maybe they'll PM you.

[Monsieurmaggot]

No money to be made on em though :cheesygri Oh well.

Right. None. :lol:

I know if I had a car dealership, I'd be selling cars at least $5000 below invoice to get market share. Eventually the neighbouring dealerships will go out of business since they'd couldn't compete and then I would be free to jack up my prices.

Hey wait, doesn't Wal-Mart already do that?

[johnsa]

Right. None. :lol:

I know if I had a car dealership, I'd be selling cars at least $5000 below invoice to get market share. Eventually the neighbouring dealerships will go out of business since they'd couldn't compete and then I would be free to jack up my prices.

Hey wait, doesn't Wal-Mart already do that?

I'll say.. when I crossed there was a fellow importing 5 new cargo vans..he had 4 drivers with him and they were out of their in no time...funny to see 5 identical white ford vans in a line up crossing the border...

[diigii]

I opened my email this morning to my surprise in receiving this email from the internet sales manager of Dorschel Nissan in Rochester. Here is the email:

Thank you for contacting Dorschel. We are prohibited by the manufacturer from selling New Nissan product to non U.S. residents. Unless you are able to register the vehicle to a valid U.S. residence of yours, as much as we would like to, we unfortunately will not be able to assist you.

Sincerely,

The Dorschel Automotive Group

What the hell?!! :confused: I just spoke to their Consumer Affairs Dept 2 weeks ago and they said they are okay in selling to Canadians as long as the ownership does not change within the first 6 months!!!

[Monsieurmaggot]

I opened my email this morning to my surprise in receiving this email from the internet sales manager of Dorschel Nissan in Rochester. Here is the email:

Thank you for contacting Dorschel. We are prohibited by the manufacturer from selling New Nissan product to non U.S. residents. Unless you are able to register the vehicle to a valid U.S. residence of yours, as much as we would like to, we unfortunately will not be able to assist you.

Sincerely,

The Dorschel Automotive Group

What the hell?!! :confused: I just spoke to their Consumer Affairs Dept 2 weeks ago!!!

Dare I say it? It's happening more and more.

The damn Canadian Dealers are whining to the corporate head offices. Instead of competing they do that.

Good thing. It's obvious they're starting to feel the heat. I read that personal US imports reached over 65,000 units in the first six months of this year. Great stuff.

[HeavyFuel]

Hey Folks,

Great thread. Apologies if it has been mentioned but this thread is way too long to read the whole thing - does GM warranty transfer to Canada? I would have also looked at the Dodge Cummins but they say the warranty isn't valid.

I am looking at a new diesel pickup and the savings would appear to be in the $10k+ range, so if anyone has any specific experience with diesel truck buying in the US please chime in.

Thanks in advance.

[diigii]

If that's the case, then I just got converted to a Subaru buyer. Where's Karl? :)

Dare I say it? It's happening more and more.

The damn Canadian Dealers are whining to the corporate head offices. Instead of competing they do that.

Good thing. It's obvious they're starting to feel the heat. I read that personal US imports reached over 65,000 units in the first six months of this year. Great stuff.

[Kamloops]

Hey Folks,

Great thread. Apologies if it has been mentioned but this thread is way too long to read the whole thing - does GM warranty transfer to Canada? I would have also looked at the Dodge Cummins but they say the warranty isn't valid.

I am looking at a new diesel pickup and the savings would appear to be in the $10k+ range, so if anyone has any specific experience with diesel truck buying in the US please chime in.

Thanks in advance.

I believe it has to be registerered for 6 months in the usa before they will honor it in Canada for GM

[Kamloops]

I think it is time for a class action lawsuit against these guys. Need to find out who the lawyer was that won 35 mill against toyota, nothing reached yet with the other car manufacturers that is still in the courts, I guess toyota just wanted out of it, they never admitted guilt.

It was done before when it was cheaper to buy in Canada rather than the usa.

Here is some good reading. Anyone on board?

February 20, 2003
http://consumeraffairs.com/news03/imports.html
A Boston law firm has filed a class action suit against major automakers, claiming they conspire to prevent Americans from buying new cars in Canada, where prices are about 30 percent less than in the U.S.

May 30, 2002
http://consumeraffairs.com/news02/chrysler_import.html
Chrysler is taking action to stamp out what it calls the U.S. "gray market" for vehicles built for the Canadian market. From now on, DaimlerChrysler told its dealers, it will not honor warranty claims from U.S. dealers on cars built for sale in Canada.

March 20, 2006
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.ef18c13/78
Toyota settles suit alleging collusion on imports
Toyota paid $35 million to settle allegations that it colluded with other major automakers to keep gray-market vehicles from being exported from Canada to the United States.

February 19, 2003
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20030219/REXPO/Business/Idx
U.S. car buyers sue auto makers
Move could push prices up in Canada
Car buyers in at least two U.S. states have filed class-action lawsuits against seven auto makers in a move that has the potential to send prices soaring for new vehicles in Canada.

[johnsa]

Count me in..

[can2000]

If that's the case, then I just got converted to a Subaru buyer. Where's Karl? :)

Count me in too.

From Toronto.

[johnsa]

I opened my email this morning to my surprise in receiving this email from the internet sales manager of Dorschel Nissan in Rochester. Here is the email:

Thank you for contacting Dorschel. We are prohibited by the manufacturer from selling New Nissan product to non U.S. residents. Unless you are able to register the vehicle to a valid U.S. residence of yours, as much as we would like to, we unfortunately will not be able to assist you.

Sincerely,

The Dorschel Automotive Group

What the hell?!! :confused: I just spoke to their Consumer Affairs Dept 2 weeks ago and they said they are okay in selling to Canadians as long as the ownership does not change within the first 6 months!!!


WHO CARES!! Screw Dorschel and dealers for Nissan, Toyota, Honda who lay down dead while there parent companies screw them and prohibit then from taking advantage of FREE TRADE!! Drive a couple of more hrs , or 8 for that matter and go to a dealer that will sell to you...again..screw Dorschel....who should have more power here with Nissan USA...the US dealers who will lose business or whining Nissan Canada and its dealers???

Sign me for class action suit.....we just need an aggressive firm willing to spear head it!

[Kamloops]

WHO CARES!! Screw Dorschel and dealers for Nissan, Toyota, Honda who lay down dead while there parent companies screw them and prohibit then from taking advantage of FREE TRADE!! Drive a couple of more hrs , or 8 for that matter and go to a dealer that will sell to you...again..screw Dorschel....who should have more power here with Nissan USA...the US dealers who will lose business or whining Nissan Canada and its dealers???

Sign me for class action suit.....we just need an aggressive firm willing to spear head it!

I have been trying and try to find the firms who brought on the suit against the auto manufactures in 2003 but have had no success. If anyone can figure that out I will do the legwork I am mad I just bought a Dodge that had an extra 7/70 full extended warranty that is useless here.

[CheapScotsman]

I have been trying and try to find the firms who brought on the suit against the auto manufactures in 2003 but have had no success. If anyone can figure that out I will do the legwork I am mad I just bought a Dodge that had an extra 7/70 full extended warranty that is useless here.Isn't that listed in the first newspaper article from your post above ???

From that article ...
"Carmakers have rigged the deck," said Joseph Tabacco Jr., a partner in the Boston law firm of Berman DeValerio.

Their webpage (and contact info) is: http://www.bermanesq.com

[Kamloops]

Isn't that listed in the first newspaper article from your post above ???

From that article ...


Their webpage (and contact info) is: http://www.bermanesq.com

LOL, funny I read all those looking for clues. Just sent an email to them to see how I can get the ball rolling on this.

[Beradon]

I believe it has to be registerered for 6 months in the usa before they will honor it in Canada for GMThat's odd, the information I gleaned (from this thread) was that for new US vehicles imported into Canada, the warranty will be honored 6 months after registration.

[jadeboy]

I think it is time for a class action lawsuit against these guys. Need to find out who the lawyer was that won 35 mill against toyota, nothing reached yet with the other car manufacturers that is still in the courts, I guess toyota just wanted out of it, they never admitted guilt.

Look at what Toyota agrees to

http://www.bermanesq.com/Antitrust/CasePage.asp?caseid=464

"On February 24, 2006, Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A. agreed to pay $35 million to settle plaintiffs’ claims. Toyota also agreed to refrain from engaging in anticompetitive conduct with other auto makers and trade associations and to cooperate in the lawsuit’s discovery process. "

I guess Toyota/Lexus has gone back to their old ways.

We need someone to champion this cause and contact the lawyers to update them that Toyota has violated their terms for their settlement.

[nutsackninja]

:idea: Has anyone looked into using

http://www.dasglobalservices.com/

I plan on buying a Lexus IS350 (used) and get it shipped up here in Canada using them. They said they would do all the customs paper work and just bill you when you pickup the car. Could save a ton of hassle and custom headaches.

Does anyone have any experience using them?

[shopper-X]

Which rental car company does one-way car rentals between Canada and the United States?

[eastsidesubaru]

Right. None. :lol:

I know if I had a car dealership, I'd be selling cars at least $5000 below invoice to get market share. Eventually the neighbouring dealerships will go out of business since they'd couldn't compete and then I would be free to jack up my prices.

Hey wait, doesn't Wal-Mart already do that?

You just need to pick a franchise people want that there aren't any other dealerships around of.
Over here Infiniti is the one.. there are only 2 infiniti dealerships in WA and they are both owned by the same guy :| So it is very tough to buy em for like even 2 grand OVER invoice... They can charge whatever they want.

But there are so many Subaru dealerships over here, competition is so steep that there is not really any room for markup because it's guaranteed that the other guy will undercut you.. ;)

[Prof]

I'm currently in Seattle as part of vacation. Unlike back home, everywhere you look you see Subaru vehicles, Outbacks in particular. The northwest sure seems to be Subaru country. I just don't get Subaru Canada's approach to competing with entry level luxury brands. I'm more convinced than ever that Subaru makes sense as a US import.

[torontolove]

Are they expensive?

:idea: Has anyone looked into using

http://www.dasglobalservices.com/

I plan on buying a Lexus IS350 (used) and get it shipped up here in Canada using them. They said they would do all the customs paper work and just bill you when you pickup the car. Could save a ton of hassle and custom headaches.

Does anyone have any experience using them?

[dpkform]

Like I said, count me in for a meet. I work 1,000 hours a week thanks to you Canadians so a Sunday would be best! Heck, I'll even bring the beer!:lol:

Hey Karl.

Would be great to see you again, and while our Yankee friends sell damn fine cars, and it is very nice of you to offer, we do have better beer here - at least from the major brands. Though I gotta admit - the budweiser sold here is not bad. Canadians have a beer superiority complex :)

I'm into micro-brew craft beers - always great to try different stuff from small local brewers. BTW - got a 12V cooler for the outback - works great with the 12v outlet in the cargo area. Great for beer shopping - buy it cold - stays cold, all the way to the cottage/camping :)

We've had the Outback for just over a week now, and LOVE it. I keep looking for excuses to drive, even though the Outback 3.0 is a thristier beast than our 5 year old civic :)

Chatted up a neighbour across the street who has a 10 year old Legacy GT. He reckognised our Outback as American, I told him our story - he heard about your dealership. Perhaps another customer potential customer for you. I put in a god word. He mentioned he got his info on http://www.toronto-subaru-club.com - perhaps another forum for you to check out for more canadian sales.

Keep up the good work, Karl.

Cheers

Dave

[jadeboy]

:idea: Has anyone looked into using

http://www.dasglobalservices.com/

I plan on buying a Lexus IS350 (used) and get it shipped up here in Canada using them. They said they would do all the customs paper work and just bill you when you pickup the car. Could save a ton of hassle and custom headaches.

Does anyone have any experience using them?

You could do a lot of the paper work yourself. Read this thread it's not that hard.. it just you must follows the instructions. Also.. if they ship it to you it will cost you some thousands more.

[big up]

You could do a lot of the paper work yourself. Read this thread it's not that hard.. it just you must follows the instructions. Also.. if they ship it to you it will cost you some thousands more.


Agreed, its not the customs paper work that is the hassle, its the inspections and what notthat takes more time. Just follow the FAQ unless you really have no time at all to take care of it.

I bought my car used in the USA, and know several people who bought new cars. New cars require less work since the car never has been registered, so it can speed up the process.

[kellan165]

I opened my email this morning to my surprise in receiving this email from the internet sales manager of Dorschel Nissan in Rochester. Here is the email:

Thank you for contacting Dorschel. We are prohibited by the manufacturer from selling New Nissan product to non U.S. residents. Unless you are able to register the vehicle to a valid U.S. residence of yours, as much as we would like to, we unfortunately will not be able to assist you.

Sincerely,

The Dorschel Automotive Group

What the hell?!! :confused: I just spoke to their Consumer Affairs Dept 2 weeks ago and they said they are okay in selling to Canadians as long as the ownership does not change within the first 6 months!!!

What the hell is right!! I phoned 6 Nissan dealers last month in Washington and 5 out of the 6 said they would sell new to Canadians. Plus, not to mention consumer affairs said it was no problem to sell new. I've already put a deposit down on a new Nissan and am supposed to go on the 26th to pick it up. I hope my deal doesn't fall through now.

[jadeboy]

I opened my email this morning to my surprise in receiving this email from the internet sales manager of Dorschel Nissan in Rochester. Here is the email:

Thank you for contacting Dorschel. We are prohibited by the manufacturer from selling New Nissan product to non U.S. residents. Unless you are able to register the vehicle to a valid U.S. residence of yours, as much as we would like to, we unfortunately will not be able to assist you.

Sincerely,

The Dorschel Automotive Group


Anyone got emails from Toyota/Lexus saying the same thing? We need some a paper trail... Anyone who has emails should post it here for record keep just in case we need need evidences and file a complain of the anti trust/competitive practices which Toyota has agrees to stop in their settlement lawsuit.

[alkapone]

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[caribbeansun]

Actually their pricing to ship to Buffalo from various parts of the states isn't all that bad. I checked from Hollywood, FL was something like $800 and it was $700 from Texas. Sure would save the hassle of getting down there and bringing it back up. Depending on the price of air ticket and gas to get home plus likely a night or two in hotels along the way it's an option worth looking at.

You could do a lot of the paper work yourself. Read this thread it's not that hard.. it just you must follows the instructions. Also.. if they ship it to you it will cost you some thousands more.

[caribbeansun]

Anyone got emails from Toyota/Lexus saying the same thing? We need some a paper trail... Anyone who has emails should post it here for record keep just in case we need need evidences and file a complain of the anti trust/competitive practices which Toyota has agrees to stop in their settlement lawsuit.

Sent: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 17:45:20 -0400
From: "Lexus Sales" <lexussales@burdickcars.com>
Subject: Lexus RX350
To: <xxxx.xxxx@xxx.com>

Sorry xxxx we cannot sell a new Lexus for export. You will have to go to a Canadian Lexus Dealership.

Thanks

Phil Bisson
Sales Consultant
Burdick Lexus
5947 East Circle Drive
Cicero, NY 13039
Tel: 315-458-7800
Fax: 315-458-1164
url: www.driversvillage.com
email: lexussales@burdickcars.com
************************************************** ***
Sent: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 12:54:50 -0400
From: "Williams, Richard" <rwilliams@newcountry.com>
Subject: Lexus RX 350
To: <xxxx.xxxx@xxx.com>

Xxxx,

Thank you for your interest in the Lexus RX 350. You need to register your Lexus at an American address in order for us to do business. Please let me know if this is possible. Thanks again, and I hope to hear from you soon.

Rick Williams.
Lexus Sales & Leasing Consultant
New Country Lexus of Latham
toll free 1-888-625-3987
local 518-786-1000
fax number 518-786-1002
e-mail rwilliams@newcountry.com
website newcountrylexus.com
************************************************** ***
Looks like I deleted the rest already including one from Dorchel mentioned earlier in this thread.

[protege2k]

Was just browsing around at the new volvo c30 and noticed a 10k msrp difference between US and Canada (comparing the T5 model).

Just an interesting tidbit...

[raskal]

Was just browsing around at the new volvo c30 and noticed a 10k msrp difference between US and Canada (comparing the T5 model).

18K difference on a C70, but will Volvo Canada honour a US car's warranty?

[TorontoEh]

Sent: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 17:45:20 -0400
From: "Lexus Sales" <lexussales@burdickcars.com>
Subject: Lexus RX350
To: <xxxx.xxxx@xxx.com>

Sorry xxxx we cannot sell a new Lexus for export. You will have to go to a Canadian Lexus Dealership.

Thanks

Phil Bisson
Sales Consultant
Burdick Lexus
5947 East Circle Drive
Cicero, NY 13039
Tel: 315-458-7800
Fax: 315-458-1164
url: www.driversvillage.com
email: lexussales@burdickcars.com
************************************************** ***
Sent: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 12:54:50 -0400
From: "Williams, Richard" <rwilliams@newcountry.com>
Subject: Lexus RX 350
To: <xxxx.xxxx@xxx.com>

Xxxx,

Thank you for your interest in the Lexus RX 350. You need to register your Lexus at an American address in order for us to do business. Please let me know if this is possible. Thanks again, and I hope to hear from you soon.

Rick Williams.
Lexus Sales & Leasing Consultant
New Country Lexus of Latham
toll free 1-888-625-3987
local 518-786-1000
fax number 518-786-1002
e-mail rwilliams@newcountry.com
website newcountrylexus.com
************************************************** ***
Looks like I deleted the rest already including one from Dorchel mentioned earlier in this thread.

that name rang a bell, since my neighbor bought his CAMRY 06 from BURDICK Toyota in Rochester NY, though i believe he lives there and comes every weekend.....

[ecgz88]

What the hell is right!! I phoned 6 Nissan dealers last month in Washington and 5 out of the 6 said they would sell new to Canadians. Plus, not to mention consumer affairs said it was no problem to sell new. I've already put a deposit down on a new Nissan and am supposed to go on the 26th to pick it up. I hope my deal doesn't fall through now.


How about the warranty?

[azul]

Anyone got emails from Toyota/Lexus saying the same thing? We need some a paper trail... Anyone who has emails should post it here for record keep just in case we need need evidences and file a complain of the anti trust/competitive practices which Toyota has agrees to stop in their settlement lawsuit.

here are a few of them from toyota
are these enough? I have more in the mailbox:cheesygri

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Thanks for your interest in a new vehicle from Abajian Toyota in Walla Walla.

Unfortunately, our dealer agreement does not allow us to sell new Toyotas directly into Canada. We could maybe work on something slightly used. Let us know if there is anything else we can do for you.

Thanks

Scott Abajian
President/General Manager
Abajian Toyota-Scion
www.FindMyToyota.com
abajian@bmi.net

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Hi xxxx,

Thank-you for your inquiry!

I noticed by your contact info that you are located in Canada. If you are going to register this vehicle in the US, I can sell a new one to you. If you want to take it to Canada, I can only sell you a used one.

Please let me know how you would like to proceed.

Thanks for the opportunity!




Best Regards,


Jeff Sadighi
Internet Sales Manager
Wilson Motors
Bellingham, Washington
360-676-0600 Ext 3314 Office
800-634-1395 Washington toll-free
360-820-JEFF [5333] Cellular
Alternate Cellular E-mail available 24/7: carguy@clearwire.net
Out of the office on: Monday and Tuesday

--------------------------------------------------

We're sold out of the 2007 model. I can get a 2008 but we are prevented from selling the car to Canadian residents when it is a new vehicle.



Randy Brooks Internet Sales Manager
Toyota/Scion of Olympia
2380 Carriage Loop SW, Olympia WA 98502

www.toyotaofolympia.com


-----------------------------------

Hi xxxx,

Thank you for contacting our dealership for your purchase of a Toyota Sienna. However, unless you have a residence in the U.S., we cannot sell you a new one. We can only sell used Toyotas to our Canadian neighbors. Please let me know if you have an address in the U.S. I am looking forward to your response. Sincerely, Pam Hansen

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Hi xxxx,

Thank you for inquiring about the 2006 Toyota Sienna. My name is Dave Hubbard, your representative with Toyota of Puyallup .

I'm sorry to inform you that we can no longer sell to Canadian citizens. We have made an agreement with Toyota USA and Toyota of Canada.

Sorry,

Dave Hubbard
Your Representative
Toyota of Puyallup
(253) 286-6000

[ecgz88]

You just need to pick a franchise people want that there aren't any other dealerships around of.
Over here Infiniti is the one.. there are only 2 infiniti dealerships in WA and they are both owned by the same guy :| So it is very tough to buy em for like even 2 grand OVER invoice... They can charge whatever they want.

But there are so many Subaru dealerships over here, competition is so steep that there is not really any room for markup because it's guaranteed that the other guy will undercut you.. ;)

Yeah, It's weird WA had so many Subaru dealers.:lol: I think Subaru sell around 200K in States every year, Infiniti 150K? But Infiniti just have 2 dealers in WA?

[hammer]

Has anyone tried to register Mailboxes ETC US address and then purchased a car using that US address? I know I may have US plates but at least I can buy from the Toyota dealer at the border.

[mau108]

Got a question, if your buying the car near the border and want to drive it over, do you get ontario plates or do you have to register the car in the US and get NY plates and bring it over???

[Kamloops]

Got a question, if your buying the car near the border and want to drive it over, do you get ontario plates or do you have to register the car in the US and get NY plates and bring it over???

In my case the car still had valid wash plates on it. They left the plates on and I got a binder of insurance from my insurance (icbc)

I drove back with an rcmp officer and he said that was fine, in fact he bought a boat and his trailer plate was still good and he used that.

You can get a temp permit from the state you are in and on from ont ario for ont before you leave

[caribbeansun]

You do realize that you'd have to pay the state sales tax if you did this. Your only other option would be to try this in a state without sales tax.

Has anyone tried to register Mailboxes ETC US address and then purchased a car using that US address? I know I may have US plates but at least I can buy from the Toyota dealer at the border.

[caribbeansun]

Another message

----- Original Message -----
From: Dorschel eCommerce Department
To: xxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxx.com
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 8:26 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Dorschel Automotvie


We sell to everyone as long as you have a valid US residence. If you do not, then it's not that we won't sell to you, but that we can't. The manufacturer prohibits us from doing so. We wish that we could. I apologize for any inconvenience and I have removed you from our follow-up list.

-Chris
The Dorschel eCommerce Department
eCommerce@Dorschel.com

[xriddle]

Some info I haven't seen in the forum regarding the Quebec area.

First off, to my knowledge, the borders in Quebec DO NOT accept a fax 72 hours before exporting. I called the Lacolle / Champlain and the St-Philipsburg / crossings and they both told me they require the original title + 2 copies and a copy of the bill of sale. I was at Lacolle this morning and as I was walking in a fax was coming in from someone trying to import a vehicle and the customs clerk started laughing and said some thing along the lines of "Look another dumbass trying to send a fax ... they don't understand we don't do faxes" He took the fax of the title and tossed it in the trash. Besides that he was really nice, my copies were kind of crappy so he said he would make new ones. Their PCs were down so he filled the paperwork manually. I think he made a mistake, he wrote I can pick up the vehicle on August 15th which is not 72 hours but 48. So maybe i'll be able to get it earlier. If all goes well I'll have my 2007 IS 250 AWD (not new 3000 miles on it) on Wednesday or Thursday. For those wanting to go to Lacolle, don't make the same mistake I made. No need to actually cross US customs to get to the export office. Its actually right before the border crossing on the right side. There is a little 15x15 square building. I crossed and the customs officer guided me around.

Also does anyone know if after the RIV inspection Quebec requires a provincial inspection. I haven't been able to get a clear answer on this but some people have told me I may have to do that also.

Hope this tidbit of info helps.

[jadeboy]

You do realize that you'd have to pay the state sales tax if you did this. Your only other option would be to try this in a state without sales tax.

States without sales taxes:

Alaska, Delaware, Hawaii, Montana, New Hampshire and Oregon

[jadeboy]

Another message

----- Original Message -----
From: Dorschel eCommerce Department
To: xxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxx.com
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 8:26 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Dorschel Automotvie


We sell to everyone as long as you have a valid US residence. If you do not, then it's not that we won't sell to you, but that we can't. The manufacturer prohibits us from doing so. We wish that we could. I apologize for any inconvenience and I have removed you from our follow-up list.

-Chris
The Dorschel eCommerce Department
eCommerce@Dorschel.com



Excellent. Once I collect enough emails. I will try to email the law firm that had a settlement with Toyota to see if they can do anything about the situation. So people please keep posting and keep your emails.

[scouzi]

Some info I haven't seen in the forum regarding the Quebec area.

First off, to my knowledge, the borders in Quebec DO NOT accept a fax 72 hours before exporting. I called the Lacolle / Champlain and the St-Philipsburg / crossings and they both told me they require the original title + 2 copies and a copy of the bill of sale. I was at Lacolle this morning and as I was walking in a fax was coming in from someone trying to import a vehicle and the customs clerk started laughing and said some thing along the lines of "Look another dumbass trying to send a fax ... they don't understand we don't do faxes" He took the fax of the title and tossed it in the trash. Besides that he was really nice, my copies were kind of crappy so he said he would make new ones. Their PCs were down so he filled the paperwork manually. I think he made a mistake, he wrote I can pick up the vehicle on August 15th which is not 72 hours but 48. So maybe i'll be able to get it earlier. If all goes well I'll have my 2007 IS 250 AWD (not new 3000 miles on it) on Wednesday or Thursday. For those wanting to go to Lacolle, don't make the same mistake I made. No need to actually cross US customs to get to the export office. Its actually right before the border crossing on the right side. There is a little 15x15 square building. I crossed and the customs officer guided me around.

Also does anyone know if after the RIV inspection Quebec requires a provincial inspection. I haven't been able to get a clear answer on this but some people have told me I may have to do that also.

Hope this tidbit of info helps.

The Vermont dealer I bought from physically brought the paperwork himself to Highgate Springs (St-Philipsburg I-89) 72 hours before I crossed.

As for the provincial inspection - you don't need it for new cars. My bill of sale had the word NEW on it so this was the basis of my argument. For CT, go to the one on "Le Corbuiser" in Laval since you don't need a appointment - you just show up.

The SAAQ takes about 90 minutes to give you your plates since they have to perform a VIN check on their own. Remember, to pay the PST, they don't accept credit cards - so bring your cheques.

EDIT: I just realized that you had 3000 miles on your car so you will most likely need an inspection.

[diigii]

I am being given the runaround now. I called my Chicago dealer contact just awhile ago so we can proceed with the deal. I was put on hold and I sensed that there's something wrong right away. He came back on and told me that there are two things of concern: an emissions restriction that prevents the car from being exported to Canada and the warranty coverage. So I told him that the car meets our federal standards and that I talked to Nissan USA's Consumer Affairs dept and was told that the warranty is covered. So he put me on hold again to confer with his manager. He came back on and basically told me to call back Nissan USA Consumer Affairs dept and have them call him so he can clarify if he can sell to me. I called NU CA and asked for Nissan's position if they have changed their position to not sell new to Canadians. I wasn't given a direct response to my question. Instead, I was referred to NHTSA and given a number to call. I called NHTSA and I can't believe I'm talking to a guy who sounded like he just woke up from his desk with drool still all over his face. I asked him about what kind of emissions restriction the 3.5 SE has that prevents it from being exported to Canada. I think as soon as he heard me say Canada, he babbled about me having to be forwarded to another 1-800 number. He gave it to me and I begin to suspect that I could earn air miles with all the travelling I have to with my phone calls. I dialed the number and lo behold, I was right back in Canada with Transport Canada!!!!!!

All I could just say is F#*% the local dealers here!!!! Do they think with what they're whining to their head offices and to US head offices will make me buy a car here again???? I'd rather buy used/pre-owned or whatever they call them in the US. And I can't believe that Nissan USA is heeding the cries of their Canadian office. I have a guy who is ready to get my money off my hands and they get to sell another car to increase their overall US sales. And they don't want it?? I thought they want to increase their sales this year???? So why not sell to buyers?????

So I say to Nissan, "Want these US dollars off my hands?? You have to fight for them against Subaru!"

[scouzi]

I am being given the runaround now. I called my Chicago dealer contact just awhile ago so we can proceed with the deal. I was put on hold and I sensed that there's something wrong right away. He came back on and told me that there are two things of concern: an emissions restriction that prevents the car from being exported to Canada and the warranty coverage. So I told him that the car meets our federal standards and that I talked to Nissan USA's Consumer Affairs dept and was told that the warranty is covered. So he put me on hold again to confer with his manager. He came back on and basically told me to call back Nissan USA Consumer Affairs dept and have them call him so he can clarify if he can sell to me. I called NU CA and asked for Nissan's position if they have changed their position to not sell new to Canadians. I wasn't given a direct response to my question. Instead, I was referred to NHTSA and given a number to call. I called NHTSA and I can't believe I'm talking to a guy who sounded like he just woke up from his desk with drool still all over his face. I asked him about what kind of emissions restriction the 3.5 SE has that prevents it from being exported to Canada. I think as soon as he heard me say Canada, he babbled about me having to be forwarded to another 1-800 number. He gave it to me and I begin to suspect that I could earn air miles with all the travelling I have to with my phone calls. I dialed the number and lo behold, I was right back in Canada with Transport Canada!!!!!!

All I could just say is F#*% the local dealers here!!!! Do they think with what they're whining to their head offices and to US head offices will make me buy a car here again???? I'd rather buy used/pre-owned or whatever they call them in the US. And I can't believe that Nissan USA is heeding the cries of their Canadian office. I have a guy who is ready to get my money off my hands and they get to sell another car to increase their overall US sales. And they don't want it?? I thought they want to increase their sales this year???? So why not sell to buyers?????

So I say to Nissan, "Want these US dollars off my hands?? You have to fight for them against Subaru!"

Just e-mail him and Nissan USA the RIV list.

[xriddle]

The Vermont dealer I bought from physically brought the paperwork himself to Highgate Springs (St-Philipsburg I-89) 72 hours before I crossed.

As for the provincial inspection - you don't need it for new cars. My bill of sale had the word NEW on it so this was the basis of my argument. For CT, go to the one on "Le Corbuiser" in Laval since you don't need a appointment - you just show up.

The SAAQ takes about 90 minutes to give you your plates since they have to perform a VIN check on their own. Remember, to pay the PST, they don't accept credit cards - so bring your cheques.

EDIT: I just realized that you had 3000 miles on your car so you will most likely need an inspection.

Thanks for the response and the info about CT. I live in Laval and you just saved me some time. It was too difficult buying Lexus new. I got the run around about selling to Canadians so I found something a little cheaper with low mileage. I'll post back about what happens with the inspection.

[RRKnight]

I am being given the runaround now. I called my Chicago dealer contact just awhile ago so we can proceed with the deal. I was put on hold and I sensed that there's something wrong right away. He came back on and told me that there are two things of concern: an emissions restriction that prevents the car from being exported to Canada and the warranty coverage. So I told him that the car meets our federal standards and that I talked to Nissan USA's Consumer Affairs dept and was told that the warranty is covered. So he put me on hold again to confer with his manager. He came back on and basically told me to call back Nissan USA Consumer Affairs dept and have them call him so he can clarify if he can sell to me. I called NU CA and asked for Nissan's position if they have changed their position to not sell new to Canadians. I wasn't given a direct response to my question. Instead, I was referred to NHTSA and given a number to call. I called NHTSA and I can't believe I'm talking to a guy who sounded like he just woke up from his desk with drool still all over his face. I asked him about what kind of emissions restriction the 3.5 SE has that prevents it from being exported to Canada. I think as soon as he heard me say Canada, he babbled about me having to be forwarded to another 1-800 number. He gave it to me and I begin to suspect that I could earn air miles with all the travelling I have to with my phone calls. I dialed the number and lo behold, I was right back in Canada with Transport Canada!!!!!!

All I could just say is F#*% the local dealers here!!!! Do they think with what they're whining to their head offices and to US head offices will make me buy a car here again???? I'd rather buy used/pre-owned or whatever they call them in the US. And I can't believe that Nissan USA is heeding the cries of their Canadian office. I have a guy who is ready to get my money off my hands and they get to sell another car to increase their overall US sales. And they don't want it?? I thought they want to increase their sales this year???? So why not sell to buyers?????

So I say to Nissan, "Want these US dollars off my hands?? You have to fight for them against Subaru!"


I avoided all these dealer mumbo jumbo BS by going directly to Subaru. I've had my 08 outback for 3 weeks now and I'm soooooooo happy with my purchase.

[diigii]

That is what I just decided now. I'm going where my money is wanted.

To all these sour puss dealers reading this thread. Did you see what I just posted?? I've got money and I'm willing to spend it. And you think by throwing some roadblocks to smart shoppers will make us change our minds and buy local??? I don't think so!! You just made people stay away from pricks like you. I'm headed where all of the people here know where they will be treated like friends. Say goodbye to US$25K.

I avoided all these dealer mumbo jumbo BS by going directly to Subaru. I've had my 08 outback for 3 weeks now and I'm soooooooo happy with my purchase.

[spyhero]

I'm thinking to buy a Honda Accord from the States. Does anyone know beside the car price, freight, and admin fee, what other fees will the dealers charge? Will the admin fee cover for all the paper work required for importing a car to Canada?

[nutsackninja]

:idea: Has anyone looked into using

http://www.dasglobalservices.com/

I plan on buying a Lexus IS350 (used) and get it shipped up here in Canada using them. They said they would do all the customs paper work and just bill you when you pickup the car. Could save a ton of hassle and custom headaches.

Does anyone have any experience using them?



I just called and setup a quote they are actually very expensive. $1763 to ship the car from Florida to Toronto. If you shipped it from Florida to Buffalo NY (30 miles from the boarder) and picked it up it would only cost $723 USD.

its also only $665 to ship it from California (don't know why its cheaper then Florida).

Probably best idea is to either drive and pick it up if it isn't too far or just get it shipped to Buffalo. Fingers crossed on the paper work :)

[uncle_odb]

Hi everyone,

I've used the search function, and i'm still not entirely sure here, so I'll just ask.

Do I need to have an "original" recall clearance letter from the auto manufacturer? Or will a fax do? Does Canadian Tire still need to see the Recall clearance letter for the inspection, b/c form 2 won't be released until RIV receives the recall clearance letter?

Thanks,

[flaming homer]

Hi everyone,

I've used the search function, and i'm still not entirely sure here, so I'll just ask.

Do I need to have an "original" recall clearance letter from the auto manufacturer? Or will a fax do? Does Canadian Tire still need to see the Recall clearance letter for the inspection, b/c form 2 won't be released until RIV receives the recall clearance letter?

Thanks,I bought a new Subaru Forester, and the clerance letter produced by the dealer was sufficient for the RIV office to accept - I believe for used cars the ORIGINAL (mailed) clearance letter from the manufacturer is required.

[Kamloops]

States without sales taxes:

Alaska, Delaware, Hawaii, Montana, New Hampshire and Oregon

My sister lives in Hawaii, so I could use her address?>

[jadeboy]

My sister lives in Hawaii, so I could use her address?>

I don't know.. you might want to talk to the dealership... You will probably do the negiotation... The dealership will probably have to fedex/ups the final document to sign (maybe a fax will do). Then you sister will have to sell you the car with a bill of sale. I have not done this myself so I can not say, if anyone on the forum has, please post.

[ggweci]

What are the ages of all you Subaru owners/potential buyers?

I really like the Forester and Outback, but my wife says she doesn't like them at all and that they look like "old people" cars (i.e. Buick, Lincoln, etc) :D
(fyi, I'm 30 this year...maybe I'm getting old :lol:)

[hieppo]

A question for Monsieurmaggot or anyone else who have purchased a Subaru. I assume the car would have miles for the odometer. I know the speedometer will have both km/h and mph (probably the larger number is the mph). Does the Canadian requirement need you to change the odometer to km? Is it possible for cars with digital odometer be reflash and set to km?

Anyone who bought a Subaru in the GTA, please PM me with your experience.

Thanks

Hiep

[ggweci]

^
Excellent question. I'd love to hear about this as well.

[tzcnd]

I really wish I had the time and the skill to emulate Joe Spitz's website. That is actually a tool that I use on a regular basis! I can't speak for other WNY dealers but I do know that a lot of sales people just can't put in the time that a Canadian sale requires. I love it and actually feel like I am preforming some sort or good deed by helping you Canucks!!! I am really glad to see that people are noticing our Canadian mini site. That was my only option as Subaru of Canada made us stop advertising in the metro TO area. Bastards!

Karl-
Keep up the good work. Unfortunately, i'm not in the market for a car right now (got a U.S. Toyota last year before the sh*t hit the fan) but if I was I would definately be looking at a Subaru from you. If I know anyone who is in the market for a new car I will be sure to send them your way.

[tzcnd]

Everyone who has received a sales refusal email from a U.S. dealer don't delete them. If some U.S. law firm wants to start a class action lawsuit then i'm sure that these emails would be very helpful.

Here's hoping that some law firm will sue these greedy bastards.

[temporalillusion]

:idea: Has anyone looked into using

http://www.dasglobalservices.com/

I plan on buying a Lexus IS350 (used) and get it shipped up here in Canada using them. They said they would do all the customs paper work and just bill you when you pickup the car. Could save a ton of hassle and custom headaches.

Does anyone have any experience using them?

I called and they quoted me $929 from their depot in Washington to Calgary. They said they handle the US side of the paperwork only though, so I'm not sure what would be required to get it out of their bonded depot.

However the downside of not having the paperwork ready while driving across the border is far worse than not having the paperwork while getting a ride from a friend to the depot in town.

Weighing that against the cost of a 1 way flight down, driving it back, cost of gas, hotels, etc.

[PAVV]

Hi everyone,

I've used the search function, and i'm still not entirely sure here, so I'll just ask.

Do I need to have an "original" recall clearance letter from the auto manufacturer? Or will a fax do? Does Canadian Tire still need to see the Recall clearance letter for the inspection, b/c form 2 won't be released until RIV receives the recall clearance letter?

Thanks,

Call up the manufacturer of your car (Eg. Volvo Canada) and they will fax it to you. Thats all you need to show at the border and inspection centre.
It's stamped and signed

[PAVV]

A question for Monsieurmaggot or anyone else who have purchased a Subaru. I assume the car would have miles for the odometer. I know the speedometer will have both km/h and mph (probably the larger number is the mph). Does the Canadian requirement need you to change the odometer to km? Is it possible for cars with digital odometer be reflash and set to km?

Anyone who bought a Subaru in the GTA, please PM me with your experience.

Thanks

Hiep

The car I purchaes had KPH in small print on the odometer and MPH in large and thats all I needed at the inspection. To tell you the truth I don't think they even checked. If you need a whole new background because you don't have KPH then it varies in cost between car companys. Also Digital odometers can be changed between KPH ann MPH but the dealership will probably charge 100$. They like free money!!

[inspire]

Everyone who has received a sales refusal email from a U.S. dealer don't delete them. If some U.S. law firm wants to start a class action lawsuit then i'm sure that these emails would be very helpful.

Here's hoping that some law firm will sue these greedy bastards.
Why does this sound like to me that us Canadians are sounding more like Americans? Why are we so ready to 'sue' somebody? To play devil's advocate, we can't "blame" any particular dealership, per se. Just like any private business, they can sell whatever they want to you or not. (And they have to listen to headquarters...)

When the manufacturer's sales start to slide while others are propsering, I bet you their close-minded practices will change. I'm sure the Subaru dealers along the border are making mint, which will make some other dealerships start to pressure headquarters to relax their practices. (Conversely, the dealerships on this side of the border will try and do the exact opposite ...)

I'd like to say Free Trade ... maybe in this is one point in time I am in agreement with Flaherty. (I can't believe I said that ...)

PS Did anyone read the article in CanadianDriver.com about importing a vehicle from the US? Using an example of a used Porsche, it was only a couple thousand less overall using an importer ... I found that article a bit skewed since there are deals to be had over there!

[karl_at_vanbortel]

If that's the case, then I just got converted to a Subaru buyer. Where's Karl? :)

Where am I? Geez, I would post pictures of the two day long birthday party I was at but you guys would laugh me out of the thread! But I am all rested up now and ready to help!

[karl_at_vanbortel]

A question for Monsieurmaggot or anyone else who have purchased a Subaru. I assume the car would have miles for the odometer. I know the speedometer will have both km/h and mph (probably the larger number is the mph). Does the Canadian requirement need you to change the odometer to km? Is it possible for cars with digital odometer be reflash and set to km?

Anyone who bought a Subaru in the GTA, please PM me with your experience.

Thanks

Hiep

There is no way to modify the odometer. It will always be in MILES. From what I've been told you'll be given a conversion card to keep with you when you import the car. Can anyone back me up on this?

[hlfire]

Attn: US Toyota/Nissan Dealers

I know Corporate Toyota/Nissan has put in restrictions in you to selling to us Canadians. Are there any in the state of WA or Oregon still able to sell NEW cars to me? I know I can get used cars but I want new. If so, please PM me with contact and I'll call you.

I also have friends in Oregon so I am willing to go down to that state to shop. Again please PM me.

[mefreakboy]

A question for Monsieurmaggot or anyone else who have purchased a Subaru. I assume the car would have miles for the odometer. I know the speedometer will have both km/h and mph (probably the larger number is the mph). Does the Canadian requirement need you to change the odometer to km? Is it possible for cars with digital odometer be reflash and set to km?

Anyone who bought a Subaru in the GTA, please PM me with your experience.

Thanks

Hiep

It's been asked here many times...there is no requirement to change the odometer, it could even have a detrimental effect. It would be nice if it was just a button to push. :idea:

Post #3192 (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5389801&postcount=3192)

[scouzi]

There is no way to modify the odometer. It will always be in MILES. From what I've been told you'll be given a conversion card to keep with you when you import the car. Can anyone back me up on this?

No conversion card for me. Some people mentioned that they sometimes receive some stickers from RIV to affix saying that "odometer in miles".

I did not receive this myself.

[tzcnd]

Why does this sound like to me that us Canadians are sounding more like Americans? Why are we so ready to 'sue' somebody? To play devil's advocate, we can't "blame" any particular dealership, per se. Just like any private business, they can sell whatever they want to you or not. (And they have to listen to headquarters...)

When the manufacturer's sales start to slide while others are propsering, I bet you their close-minded practices will change. I'm sure the Subaru dealers along the border are making mint, which will make some other dealerships start to pressure headquarters to relax their practices. (Conversely, the dealerships on this side of the border will try and do the exact opposite ...)

I'd like to say Free Trade ... maybe in this is one point in time I am in agreement with Flaherty. (I can't believe I said that ...)

PS Did anyone read the article in CanadianDriver.com about importing a vehicle from the US? Using an example of a used Porsche, it was only a couple thousand less overall using an importer ... I found that article a bit skewed since there are deals to be had over there!


I'm not a big fan of lawyers or the U.S legal "suing" system but these a**holes (Honda, Nissan, Toyota, Chrysler, etc.) have to be taught a lesson and the only way to do that is to hit them in the wallet.

[tzcnd]

No conversion card for me. Some people mentioned that they sometimes receive some stickers from RIV to affix saying that "odometer in miles".

I did not receive this myself.

CT put a tiny sticker under my odometer that says "Miles" when they did the Form 2 inspection.

[johnsa]

Why does this sound like to me that us Canadians are sounding more like Americans? Why are we so ready to 'sue' somebody? To play devil's advocate, we can't "blame" any particular dealership, per se. Just like any private business, they can sell whatever they want to you or not. (And they have to listen to headquarters...)

When the manufacturer's sales start to slide while others are propsering, I bet you their close-minded practices will change. I'm sure the Subaru dealers along the border are making mint, which will make some other dealerships start to pressure headquarters to relax their practices. (Conversely, the dealerships on this side of the border will try and do the exact opposite ...)

I'd like to say Free Trade ... maybe in this is one point in time I am in agreement with Flaherty. (I can't believe I said that ...)

PS Did anyone read the article in CanadianDriver.com about importing a vehicle from the US? Using an example of a used Porsche, it was only a couple thousand less overall using an importer ... I found that article a bit skewed since there are deals to be had over there!


We are not trying to be hard onthe Cdn dealers on here...the pricing is set by Nissan corporate..having said that..the Canadian dealers of all of the mfrs need to put pressure on their corporate guys to bring down prices in general if the dollar stays so strong or they will continue to lose more business..and this trend is growing...as some mfr rep stated a few weeks ago in a Star article, though..it only represents 2-3 % of sales in canada so they are not going to change their pricing....bite me...

[diigii]

Thanks Karl. I got the email. I forgot to mention fog lamps as the added option and quartz silver metallic color. Otherwise, I'm okay with that. Thanks again!

Where am I? Geez, I would post pictures of the two day long birthday party I was at but you guys would laugh me out of the thread! But I am all rested up now and ready to help!

[diigii]

That Mfg rep is lying. If it's only 2-3 % of their sales, so why are they crying/whining about losing sales to US dealerships? So it's not only 2-3%. It could be maybe 20%. As what Monsieurmaggot posted, 65,000 units total for the 7 months ending in July. Just the August units will be eye-popping since end of model year incentives and rebates to entice the public to buy. That 65,000 units could easily be the years total for one company.

We are not trying to be hard onthe Cdn dealers on here...the pricing is set by Nissan corporate..having said that..the Canadian dealers of all of the mfrs need to put pressure on their corporate guys to bring down prices in general if the dollar stays so strong or they will continue to lose more business..and this trend is growing...as some mfr rep stated a few weeks ago in a Star article, though..it only represents 2-3 % of sales in canada so they are not going to change their pricing....bite me...

[xcel]

I just followed the steps posted on this thread.

1. There is no duty if car is assembled in the USA.
Verify that the car is importable: [url]www.riv.ca[/url

Incorrect - no duty if it meets NAFTA content.


Quote:
2. Verify that the car has the required Canadian Safety Standards.
See http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/menu.htm

No need - RIV has this information


Quote:
3. Check that warranty is valid in Canada.

If Canadian dealer won't warranty it make sure the US dealers will - short trip over the border to get it done, some manufacturers Honda will not warranty it in any country. Get a 3rd party warranty then





I am planning for a 07 USED honda. I was thinking about making short trip accross the border for any warranty work.

Can someone else also comment on this ? whether honda will refuse the warranty work ? Thanks.

[hooky]

Attn: US Toyota/Nissan Dealers

I know Corporate Toyota/Nissan has put in restrictions in you to selling to us Canadians. Are there any in the state of WA or Oregon still able to sell NEW cars to me? I know I can get used cars but I want new. If so, please PM me with contact and I'll call you.

I also have friends in Oregon so I am willing to go down to that state to shop. Again please PM me.


If you have friends in Oregon, couldn't you get them to buy the car and sell you the car since they don't have state tax?

[tzcnd]

That Mfg rep is lying. If it's only 2-3 % of their sales, so why are they crying/whining about losing sales to US dealerships? So it's not only 2-3%. It could be maybe 20%. As what Monsieurmaggot posted, 65,000 units total for the 7 months ending in July. Just the August units will be eye-popping since end of model year incentives and rebates to entice the public to buy. That 65,000 units could easily be the years total for one company.

diigii is correct the 2-3% number is a lie. If they were only losing such few sales why would they put all this effort into making all their U.S. dealership march in step? For example if Toyota sold 500,000 cars in Canada then 2% would be 10,000 cars. An insignificant number considering they sold half million cars. So to stop the 10,000 lost sales they asked their U.S. parent company to strictly enforce a no Canadian sales order to their 1000s of dealerships in the U.S. Seems unlikely. The lost sales number is much, much higher.

Just another lie from some lying scumbag car manufacturers.

[scouzi]

diigii is correct the 2-3% number is a lie. If they were only losing such few sales why would they put all this effort into making all their U.S. dealership march in step? For example if Toyota sold 500,000 cars in Canada then 2% would be 10,000 cars. An insignificant number considering they sold half million cars. So to stop the 10,000 lost sales they asked their U.S. parent company to strictly enforce a no Canadian sales order to their 1000s of dealerships in the U.S. Seems unlikely. The lost sales number is much, much higher.

Just another lie from some lying scumbag car manufacturers.


That number doesn't seem that far off considering that there is about 1.7 million cars-trucks sold in Canada per year. I believe we are on track for about 200 000 to 250 000 RIV imports for 2007.

EDIT: My bad at math! It's almost 10%

Anyways here is the number.
http://www.statcan.ca/english/research/11-621-MIE/11-621-MIE2007054.htm

[Monsieurmaggot]

A question for Monsieurmaggot or anyone else who have purchased a Subaru. I assume the car would have miles for the odometer. I know the speedometer will have both km/h and mph (probably the larger number is the mph). Does the Canadian requirement need you to change the odometer to km? Is it possible for cars with digital odometer be reflash and set to km?

Anyone who bought a Subaru in the GTA, please PM me with your experience.

Thanks

Hiep

My odometer is digital and measures miles. Both the RIV and Canadian Tire people didn't have a problem with this. The speedometer has the Imperial (US measurements) in larger graphics. Canadian Tire only wanted to see the Metric marker somewhere on the display. If not, I was told that stickers would need to be affixed. That wasn't a problem for me.

As far as the odometer goes, no changes were made.

I am told that on some vehicles, you can change the country code in the firmware to make the appropriate changes (some actually turn daytime runnig lights) on the digital displays. This can't be done on my Subaru but I'm fine with everything the way it is. I like seeing the temperature in the old Imperial measurements.

Here's what my speedometer looked like when I picked up my car.

Naturally it has a few more miles on it now.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/190/464217448_d3e4cba698.jpg

[Monsieurmaggot]

Why does this sound like to me that us Canadians are sounding more like Americans? Why are we so ready to 'sue' somebody? (And they have to listen to headquarters...)

I don't think automobile manufacturers are above the law. The free trade agreement was enacted (and agreed at the federal level) to simplify trade between the three countries. It doesn't give any company the right to change the rules. The class action suit in the US against Toyota did just that. Toyota was under the mistaken belief that the laws didn't apply to them. I sent a note to the lawyer in San Francisco who successfully sued Toyota. Unfortunately he is not permitted to continue any action against Toyota but did suggest that there could be some merit to what is going on.



PS Did anyone read the article in CanadianDriver.com about importing a vehicle from the US? Using an example of a used Porsche, it was only a couple thousand less overall using an importer ... I found that article a bit skewed since there are deals to be had over there!

I found it very skewed towards fear-mongering. I was left with the impression that they eluded that only "expensive" cars are worth imported and that importing should be left to the professionals.

Naturally I sent them a note on their public forum but my message was never posted (go figure). Remember they do rely on Canadian manufacturers for advertising.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Hi everyone,

I've used the search function, and i'm still not entirely sure here, so I'll just ask.

Do I need to have an "original" recall clearance letter from the auto manufacturer? Or will a fax do? Does Canadian Tire still need to see the Recall clearance letter for the inspection, b/c form 2 won't be released until RIV receives the recall clearance letter?

Thanks,

Since I brought my car across a few months ago, there's a new change at RIV. You need to produce the recall letter BEFORE they issue you a form2.

This is directly off the RIV site:

http://www.riv.ca/english/html/recall_clearance.html

Special Attention: The Registrar of Imported Vehicles makes every effort to assist the importer with importation process. Recall clearance however is the responsibility of the importer. As a result we are unable to release the Inspection Form until such time as we receive a confirmation that there are no Outstanding recalls for your vehicle.

To facilitate the timely release of the inspection form, mail directly to our office or:

Fax: 1-888-642-9899 (exclusively for recall service)

Email: recall@riv.ca


A recall clearance letter is a document issued by the original equipment manufacturer (OEM) of your vehicle that states whether or not there are any outstanding recalls on your vehicle. If you are not sure of what a recall is, simply put, it is a safety defect on your vehicle as a result of the original manufacturing process. The OEM is responsible for notifying the last known owner, and fixing the problem normally at their expense. It's best to obtain this information before you import the vehicle to avoid any unnecessary delays.

The letter must come from the OEM's head office and be written on official company letterhead, duly signed with the name and position of the official at the OEM clearly visible. If the manufacturer's logo is not on the letter it will not be accepted.

In some cases, we will also accept a printout from an authorized American dealer. If you obtain a printout from an American dealer, you must ensure that they are an authorized dealer and not a re-seller. You can confirm this by calling the head office of the manufacturer and providing them with the location of the dealership in question

If the printout is from an authorized American dealership, the company stamp must be affixed to the printout. In either case, the 17 digit Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) of the vehicle in question must be included in the letter.

If your vehicle does not have any outstanding recalls then the letter should say "this vehicle has no outstanding recalls." This letter must be presented to the RIV department prior to your Vehicle Inspection Form being released.

If your vehicle does have a recall you will need to complete all repairs required. Once completed, the dealer will provide you with an invoice that contains the same work order number as your recall letter. You will then take the recall letter with the invoice from the dealer with you to your federal inspection as proof that the outstanding recall has been completed.

If you are importing a Motor home, Bus, Truck, Conversion Van or Limousine or any other vehicle that requires more than one manufacturer, you may require 2 recall letters. In some cases the final stage manufacturer may provide a recall clearance letter that also makes reference to the OEM recall information: In a case like this only one letter is necessary.

Normally, the recall letter from the final stage manufacturer will say "Please contact the chassis manufacturer for recall information". It is your responsibility to determine the number of recall letters that are necessary. The final stage manufacturer of your vehicle can assist with this.

For further details on your vehicle's recall clearance, consult the contact information list.

[Agedashi]

I posted last week about my recent purchase of a 08 Outback 2.5i Limited. My wife and I are now back from Seattle where we picked up our car last weekend and I thought I'd share the rest of the experience.

We flew into Seattle Thursday evening and spent the night. Went to the dealer at 8 am and signed all of the paper work and inspected the car. They still had to install a few of the extras we had requested but had no problem in giving us a loaner to do some shopping while this was done. The US boarder crossing took 5 minutes (including the time it took me to walk from the car into the building and back). On the Canadian side it took about 40 minutes to fill out the form 1 and pay the GST and RIV fees. All in all it was completely painless. We then took a few days and drove the 1,000 miles home which served as the break in period for the car.

So after 2-weeks of minimal research and a pleasant long weekend vacation we are ahead about $14,000cad including all (and I mean all) of the expenses.

I would (and now do) recommend this to everyone in the market for a new vehicle.

[hlfire]

If you have friends in Oregon, couldn't you get them to buy the car and sell you the car since they don't have state tax?

That is correct and that is my plan as a last resort. I need to look into details if selling to me after purchase will affect warranty. I've love to hear anyone's experience doing this. Oregon, here I come.

[Monsieurmaggot]

That Mfg rep is lying. If it's only 2-3 % of their sales, so why are they crying/whining about losing sales to US dealerships? So it's not only 2-3%. It could be maybe 20%. As what Monsieurmaggot posted, 65,000 units total for the 7 months ending in July. Just the August units will be eye-popping since end of model year incentives and rebates to entice the public to buy. That 65,000 units could easily be the years total for one company.

Right from the Financial post:

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/story.html?id=9a93ea9d-e2ad-4db0-8c62-c72d4e75d453&k=77254

"Canadians imported 64,096 vehicles from the United States in the first half of this year, a 29% increase over the same time in 2006, according to figures provided by the North American Automobile Trade Association. Last year marked the first time more than 100,000 vehicles headed north and this year imports are poised to climb even further"

I like reading that. The numbers are closer to 6% of the market.

Assuming each car sells for an average price of $25,000, that's a massive amount of cash going to the automotive sector. That's 2.5 BILLION dollars. Assume again the average car is only 20% cheaper. That's 3 BILLION dollars. My simple math works out that we collectively saved $500 million dollars buying cars in the US.

You wonder why this thread is among the most popular on RFD and at this rate will become the most popular.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I posted last week about my recent purchase of a 08 Outback 2.5i Limited. My wife and I are now back from Seattle where we picked up our car last weekend and I thought I'd share the rest of the experience.

So after 2-weeks of minimal research and a pleasant long weekend vacation we are ahead about $14,000cad including all (and I mean all) of the expenses.

I would (and now do) recommend this to everyone in the market for a new vehicle.

:lol: CONGRATULATIONS! :lol: You are now part of a very elite and exclusive group of saavy shoppers.

Welcome to RFDs Super Saver Club!

It's easy to see why 100,000+ cars were imported last year.

Thanks to RFDs and informed consumers, those numbers will continue to rise!

[abowodun]

[QUOTE=Monsieurmaggot;5470417]:lol: QUOTE]

NEED HELP

If I import a new car from the USA and try to give/sell to my brother inside Canada within first 14days.....does he have to pay GST??????????

When must I give/sell it to him to avoid GST

Crasher should help with this question

[tashkent]

I planing to buy Lexus RX350 2008 or GX470 2007 from the States
One of my friend told me i need pay duty for GX470 becouse car made in Japan but for RX350 no duty becouse car made in Canada. If this information correct?

Please also give me detail info how to bring this car to Canada
Thanks in advance

[eastsidesubaru]

Yeah, It's weird WA had so many Subaru dealers.:lol: I think Subaru sell around 200K in States every year, Infiniti 150K? But Infiniti just have 2 dealers in WA?

I dunno, but having so many other Subaru dealerships around is no fun :cheesygri

It's because it's the NW... there are a lot fewer Infiniti dealerships here, whereas if you go to California there are a ton of infiniti dealers.. (well probably lots of subaru as well, but... I know like in the deep south you don't see too many Subarus...) ;)

[basketball]

Can we PLEASE get a list of all the dealers that RFDers have successfully dealt with on the first page? PLEASEEEEE.....


I guess just PM the OP (Monsieurmaggot) if you got a car saying the model, year, brand, where and when....


This would be pretty useful as others can see what options are avail. other than subarus (lol, nothing wrong with them of course)!

Thanks

[shopper-X]

There has been alot of talk about shipping so has anyone had their car shipped to Canada yet?
If so, did you use a Customs Broker or handle all the paperwork yourself?

[whampoa]

Today, I almost got into an accident on my way home from work. A joker in front of me brake suddenly for a left turn to another street.

I'm only feet away from the vehicle in front of me, I have no time for braking before I make my drastic move.

I just quickly turn to the right lane without glancing or flashing for a right turn.

Luckily, no car is near the vicinity of my lane when I turn.

My Outback turn so fast and instant. It's feel like a slight jolt on a rollercoaster ride.

I doubt my old GM Cavalier will ever react this fast compare to a four wheel Subie.

[Rehan]

NEED HELP

If I import a new car from the USA and try to give/sell to my brother inside Canada within first 14days.....does he have to pay GST??????????

When must I give/sell it to him to avoid GST No, he will not need to pay GST. You will pay GST during the import process, and he will pay only PST when he licenses the vehicle.

[dpkform]

My wife initially said the same thing. She is 35 and I am 41. But, after driving a lot of cars, Acura RDX (twice), Hyundai Santa Fe (twice), a Subaru Forester 2.5i (once), and an Outback 2.5i and 3.0r (both twice) she begain to think that she sat too high in the SUVs. At frist she liked it, but when she realised the compromise made to emergency handling, she wanted the Outback. The Acura had very sports car like handling, but oddly enough, did not inspire the same confidence in emergency manouvers. The turbo 4 in the Acura RDX was nowhere near as nice as the silky smooth H6 in the Outback.

All the cars were on the IIHS top safety pick list, but the Subaru still ran circles around them, when it came to real-world safe driving and accident avoidance, and actual driver confidence. During test drives at highway speeds, Cheryl's fastest and most confident pretend emergency lane changes, occured by far in the Outback.

Interestingly, my wife always claimed she didn't care about the 4cyl vs 6cyl - as long as she got her moonroof. When I followed her home after picking up the Outback though, she started having some serious fun with the car. She is normally very sedate, but admitted she was really enjoying the seemingly effortless smooth power - passing other cars a lot more than she used to. :)

Turns out what she definitely did NOT want was a two-tone Outback - those look like really old people's cars. We purchased a 2008 monotone harvest gold 3.0R outback LLbean edition from Karl at Van Nortel Subaru.

My brother in law and his wife recently attended a BMW advanced driver school where they did a lot of emergency manouvers. They are very image conscious (suburban yuppies). He's my age, his wife is in her early 30's. His wife wanted a safe vehicle for the kids, that did not make her look like a soccer mom. Both of them now regret their recent purchase of a brand new Honda Pilot - as the day long course really demonstrated how incompetent SUV type vehicles are when it comes to emergency handling and accident avoidance. I let my brother in law take a drive in our new Outback and he kept repeating, "very nice, VERY nice" as he drove it :) I nearly had to pry the keys out of his hands at the end of the drive. He was obviously wishing he had bought an H6 outback instead.


What are the ages of all you Subaru owners/potential buyers?

I really like the Forester and Outback, but my wife says she doesn't like them at all and that they look like "old people" cars (i.e. Buick, Lincoln, etc) :D
(fyi, I'm 30 this year...maybe I'm getting old :lol:)

[samberkun]

Is it possible to lease from an American dealer?

[chadw01]

How strictly enforced is the 72 hour policy about getting the MSO faxed to US customs?

If I were to import and fax the documentation to them Tuesday morning, would I be able to pick up the vehicle and go through US customs on Friday (which technically is 3 business days but not 72 hours)?

Would this mean that if I were to go through Queenston Lewiston Bridge (which is closed on weekends), I would have to wait until next Monday to go through?

[jadeboy]

How strictly enforced is the 72 hour policy about getting the MSO faxed to US customs?

If I were to import and fax the documentation to them Tuesday morning, would I be able to pick up the vehicle and go through US customs on Friday (which technically is 3 business days but not 72 hours)?

Would this mean that if I were to go through Queenston Lewiston Bridge (which is closed on weekends), I would have to wait until next Monday to go through?

By 72 hours is by law, and it does not count weekend.

[jadeboy]

That is correct and that is my plan as a last resort. I need to look into details if selling to me after purchase will affect warranty. I've love to hear anyone's experience doing this. Oregon, here I come.

It depends on the manufacturer. Please post your result.

[chadw01]

By 72 hours is by law, and it does not count weekend.

Well then in that case, faxing them the MSO by 9am Tuesday to 9am Friday is 72 hours, and I should be good to cross, correct?

[jadeboy]

Well then in that case, faxing them the MSO by 9am Tuesday to 9am Friday is 72 hours, and I should be good to cross, correct?

No.. phone them to CONFIRM they got it after, then you should be fine but some border crossing MIGHT require the real MSO or Certificate of Title. Best thing to do is phone the crossing your are planning to use and ask them.

[chadw01]

No.. phone them to CONFIRM they got it after, then you should be fine but some border crossing MIGHT require the real MSO or Certificate of Title. Best thing to do is phone the crossing your are planning to use and ask them.

I know, I was planning on calling QL tomorrow morning to confirm.. anyone have their phone number? :)

I believe you only need the original MSO when you are physically at US customs.. they will take the fax 72 hours prior to do their mandatory checks on the vehicle.

Thanks.

[scouzi]

How strictly enforced is the 72 hour policy about getting the MSO faxed to US customs?

If I were to import and fax the documentation to them Tuesday morning, would I be able to pick up the vehicle and go through US customs on Friday (which technically is 3 business days but not 72 hours)?

Would this mean that if I were to go through Queenston Lewiston Bridge (which is closed on weekends), I would have to wait until next Monday to go through?

I took a chance and crossed after 69 hours instead of sitting 3 hours waiting and it went through no problems.

I don't think it's enforced to the minute.

[crasher]

I know, I was planning on calling QL tomorrow morning to confirm.. anyone have their phone number? :)

I believe you only need the original MSO when you are physically at US customs.. they will take the fax 72 hours prior to do their mandatory checks on the vehicle.

Thanks.

716-282-1500 option3

[hieppo]

I have another couple of question about insuraning and resell down the line. I know resell will be not well known because of these purchase are recent. What if we were to sell the car down the road? Do we base on Canadian Black Book? If this is the case, if we did sell the car 1 or 2 years down the line, we would not really lose any money? Is this correct?

The other question is about insurance. Some Subaru model have same trim level as Canadian version. However, I am interested in the 2008 Tribeca and the Canadian trim level do not match with the US version. How do I go about notifying the insurance company the value of the car?

I guess the insurance company question applies to registration as well. The trim levels designation are different.

Thanks

[caribbeansun]

I would expect that you'll get somewhat less than Canadian blackbook due to miles and Fahrenheit gauges however I believe it's fair to assume that the discount off blackbook won't be anywhere near the discount off retail you are getting at the front end so you come out ahead.

Send your insurance company the US invoice although I would expect them to base it off of the most comparable Canadian model - ultimately, does it really matter since insurance almost always pays less than replacement cost when you need coverage?


I have another couple of question about insuraning and resell down the line. I know resell will be not well known because of these purchase are recent. What if we were to sell the car down the road? Do we base on Canadian Black Book? If this is the case, if we did sell the car 1 or 2 years down the line, we would not really lose any money? Is this correct?

The other question is about insurance. Some Subaru model have same trim level as Canadian version. However, I am interested in the 2008 Tribeca and the Canadian trim level do not match with the US version. How do I go about notifying the insurance company the value of the car?

I guess the insurance company question applies to registration as well. The trim levels designation are different.

Thanks

[inspire]

I have another couple of question about insuraning and resell down the line. I know resell will be not well known because of these purchase are recent. What if we were to sell the car down the road? Do we base on Canadian Black Book? If this is the case, if we did sell the car 1 or 2 years down the line, we would not really lose any money? Is this correct?

You will not get anything near the Black Book value if you trade it into a dealership / used car lot. Even if you are the original owner / bought brand new, people in general do not want something that is not Canadian-spec. Imagine ... 2 identical cars (model year, colour, trim, mileage) yet one was a US-spec VS Canadian-spec. Would you buy it at the same price? What if you knew that the US-spec was $5000 less when new? The creature comforts (climate control, speedo, distance -- all US units with metric in small font, if even there) make the car inherently worth less.

Your best bet would be to sell the car as a private-party sale so that the average buyer won't necessarily know what you bought it for and will use Black Book to base what the 'value' of the car is. Take it to a dealer ... no way.

And unless you do this for a living, don't bother trying to flip US cars here to try and make a profit / break even. Cars are perpetual money losers and the whole intent of buying a US-spec car is to save money -- drive it into the ground (ie > 6 years) so that you're not 'losing as much' since most of the depreciation is already taken into account.

[RRKnight]

What are the ages of all you Subaru owners/potential buyers?

I really like the Forester and Outback, but my wife says she doesn't like them at all and that they look like "old people" cars (i.e. Buick, Lincoln, etc) :D
(fyi, I'm 30 this year...maybe I'm getting old :lol:)

I'm a new owner of a 08 Outback 2.5i LTD w/VDC and I'm 29. Coming from a guy who used to ride a motorcycle (CBR600RR) and still own my Mitsu Eclipse. I really liked the outback. The car was for my wife and she's 26. We were in a market for a new family car. We went and test drove a Camry, Altima and the Outback. Right away my wife wanted the outback. You get some much more options and it's more versatile. Safety was my first concern, knowing that I will be having kids in the near future. So we went with the Outback AWD system. We have the car for 3 weeks now and it's been nothing but a blast to drive. Highly recommended.

[chadw01]

716-282-1500 option3

Thanks for the number!

I called QL and they said no problem crossing on Friday if they receive the fax for the MCO/MSO today.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I have another couple of question about insuraning and resell down the line. I know resell will be not well known because of these purchase are recent. What if we were to sell the car down the road? Do we base on Canadian Black Book? If this is the case, if we did sell the car 1 or 2 years down the line, we would not really lose any money? Is this correct?

The other question is about insurance. Some Subaru model have same trim level as Canadian version. However, I am interested in the 2008 Tribeca and the Canadian trim level do not match with the US version. How do I go about notifying the insurance company the value of the car?

I guess the insurance company question applies to registration as well. The trim levels designation are different.

Thanks

Remember that initially you're paying $15,000 - $20,000 less for the car. A Subaru dealer told me that I would lose about 5% on resale (unless the car's a hot model - which the 3.0R Subaru seems to be).

Depending on the mileage and how well I take care of the car, the hit won't even be noticed. - Not that I'm selling. In the same time, I would have earned hundreds of dollars in interest (remember I saved huge money up front)

As far as insurance goes, the Subaru LLBean edition isn't sold in Canada but my insurance agent had it in their system. I am fully insured as a LLBean not the Canadian equivalent.

Incidentally, the LLBean trim level isn't available in Canada and offers two-tone perforated leather seating and specific badging on the mats, seats and outside. It also has tire pressure monitoring which isn't available in Canada. Only the Tribeca offers it here.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I planing to buy Lexus RX350 2008 or GX470 2007 from the States
One of my friend told me i need pay duty for GX470 becouse car made in Japan but for RX350 no duty becouse car made in Canada. If this information correct?

Please also give me detail info how to bring this car to Canada
Thanks in advance


Check the VIN. If the first character is a letter, you pay 6.1% duty. No need to worry about declaring that. The Customs people already have it programmed in their system.

This information is posted all over this thread and the Internet too.

[can2000]

When you guys talk about buying Subaru Outback, meaning the Wagon or car (there are 2 types Outback).

Anyone in Montreal recently bought Subaru from US? It will be appreciate if they can share the info.

Thanks!

[Monsieurmaggot]

Today, I almost got into an accident on my way home from work. A joker in front of me brake suddenly for a left turn to another street.

I'm only feet away from the vehicle in front of me, I have no time for braking before I make my drastic move.

I just quickly turn to the right lane without glancing or flashing for a right turn.

Luckily, no car is near the vicinity of my lane when I turn.

My Outback turn so fast and instant. It's feel like a slight jolt on a rollercoaster ride.

I doubt my old GM Cavalier will ever react this fast compare to a four wheel Subie.

I had almost the same thing happen to me except with a deer.

I was travelling down a country road north of Toronto going about 50m/80k at dusk when I spotted a deer along the side of the road (on the far side of a ditch). I started slowing down but wouldn't you know it, as I approached about five car lengths away, the crazy animal decides to jump the ditch IN FRONT of my car. I slammed on the brakes, I could hear the ABS/ESC thumping (maybe it was my heart) and just stayed on course. I missed the guy by mere feet.

I was glad I wasn't driving my old car but a bit annoyed that I might have severely damaged my three-month-old car.

I must say the headlight system on the Outback is amazing. Maybe it's the height but with the brights on, you can see quite a wide berth.

[Monsieurmaggot]

When you guys talk about buying Subaru Outback, meaning the Wagon or car (there are 2 types Outback).

Thanks!

Not anymore. Sales of the Outback sedan has been discontinued in America.

Everyone here seems to favour the Outback wagon over the Legacy wagon or sedan. The Legacy Wagon is no longer sold in the US. If you want one, you need to buy an overpriced Canadian model.

[Monsieurmaggot]

And unless you do this for a living, don't bother trying to flip US cars here to try and make a profit / break even. Cars are perpetual money losers and the whole intent of buying a US-spec car is to save money -- drive it into the ground (ie > 6 years) so that you're not 'losing as much' since most of the depreciation is already taken into account.

Huh? Depends on what car you're taking about.

A dealer in Oakville, Ontario has a US 2006 Outback on his lot with 15,000 miles on it. He wants $40,000. That's still cheaper than buying it at a dealership.

I can sell my 2007 (with less than 5000 miles) for the same money, flip it around and buy a 2008 for about $33,000 Canadian.

Check out Auto Trader or any auto importer. There are dozens of them in the GTA area alone. Lots of people/companies are doing it and making a good living at it.

I agree that depreciation will kill you but not when the cars' already 30% more expensive to begin with. The Canadian buyer looses significantly more money in the long run.

I bought in the US simply as a method to save money. I got every option imaginable for less than the base model here. I don't plan on flipping cars but I smile every time I take her out remembering what I saved doing this excercise.

[DSTU]

Is it possible to lease from an American dealer?

How do you think that would work?

[DSTU]

You will not get anything near the Black Book value if you trade it into a dealership / used car lot. Even if you are the original owner / bought brand new, people in general do not want something that is not Canadian-spec. Imagine ... 2 identical cars (model year, colour, trim, mileage) yet one was a US-spec VS Canadian-spec. Would you buy it at the same price? What if you knew that the US-spec was $5000 less when new? The creature comforts (climate control, speedo, distance -- all US units with metric in small font, if even there) make the car inherently worth less.

Your best bet would be to sell the car as a private-party sale so that the average buyer won't necessarily know what you bought it for and will use Black Book to base what the 'value' of the car is. Take it to a dealer ... no way.

And unless you do this for a living, don't bother trying to flip US cars here to try and make a profit / break even. Cars are perpetual money losers and the whole intent of buying a US-spec car is to save money -- drive it into the ground (ie > 6 years) so that you're not 'losing as much' since most of the depreciation is already taken into account.

Most of these cars are IDENTICAL.

A lot of people are flipping cars and making a great profit.

[DSTU]

I'm a new owner of a 08 Outback 2.5i LTD w/VDC and I'm 29. Coming from a guy who used to ride a motorcycle (CBR600RR) and still own my Mitsu Eclipse. I really liked the outback. The car was for my wife and she's 26. We were in a market for a new family car. We went and test drove a Camry, Altima and the Outback. Right away my wife wanted the outback. You get some much more options and it's more versatile. Safety was my first concern, knowing that I will be having kids in the near future. So we went with the Outback AWD system. We have the car for 3 weeks now and it's been nothing but a blast to drive. Highly recommended.


AWD does not make the car safer, in fact it makes it less safe since you THINK the car will perform better.

The only advantage of AWD is acceleration in wet/snowy conditions.

It will not make the car stop faster, in fact its worse since AWD is heavier. Same goes with cornering.

People are easily fooled by the slick marketing :(

[chadw01]

AWD does not make the car safer, in fact it makes it less safe since you THINK the car will perform better.

The only advantage of AWD is acceleration in wet/snowy conditions.

It will not make the car stop faster, in fact its worse since AWD is heavier. Same goes with cornering.

People are easily fooled by the slick marketing :(

AWD is worse on gas mileage too..

[RRKnight]

AWD does not make the car safer, in fact it makes it less safe since you THINK the car will perform better.

The only advantage of AWD is acceleration in wet/snowy conditions.

It will not make the car stop faster, in fact its worse since AWD is heavier. Same goes with cornering.

People are easily fooled by the slick marketing :(

It is a bigger car overall compare to the Camry and Altima and it has a higher clearance. My definition of safer is bigger is better. The outback can out perform the camry and altima on snow and ice any day. Also it has all around airbags which also help.

[whampoa]

The only advantage of AWD is acceleration in wet/snowy conditions.

It will not make the car stop faster, in fact its worse since AWD is heavier. Same goes with cornering.


Doesn't that say it all, good traction and acceleration in wet/snowy conditions. So you can get out of a potential mess before it happens.

I know it uses a bit more gas than a front wheel drive, but I find I can get more mileage from Shell gas than Esso, for instance.

I don't know about your comment about cornering, in fact, I feel I had better control and feel more stable cornering with a Subaru than anything else.

[Tuppin]

While it is true that AWD does not substantially improve safety...they are extremely handy in Winter here in Canada. Also, the stability control system tied with the AWD system can be better than with 2wd.

Saying it is marketing is partly true.

Saying it will hurt stopping distances is utter nonsense!

Saying the Subaru's are less safe is totally untrue...quite the opposite.

The insurance institute awarded 13 vehicles top honours for safety....3 were Subaru's.....not one toyota made the list!

[flaming homer]

AWD is worse on gas mileage too..Worse than what ?

Please stay on topic, this is about importing a car and not about "my car is better than your car", thanks.

[ggweci]

I'm a new owner of a 08 Outback 2.5i LTD w/VDC and I'm 29. Coming from a guy who used to ride a motorcycle (CBR600RR) and still own my Mitsu Eclipse. I really liked the outback. The car was for my wife and she's 26. We were in a market for a new family car. We went and test drove a Camry, Altima and the Outback. Right away my wife wanted the outback. You get some much more options and it's more versatile. Safety was my first concern, knowing that I will be having kids in the near future. So we went with the Outback AWD system. We have the car for 3 weeks now and it's been nothing but a blast to drive. Highly recommended.

My wife initially said the same thing. She is 35 and I am 41. But, after driving a lot of cars, Acura RDX (twice), Hyundai Santa Fe (twice), a Subaru Forester 2.5i (once), and an Outback 2.5i and 3.0r (both twice) she begain to think that she sat too high in the SUVs. At frist she liked it, but when she realised the compromise made to emergency handling, she wanted the Outback. The Acura had very sports car like handling, but oddly enough, did not inspire the same confidence in emergency manouvers. The turbo 4 in the Acura RDX was nowhere near as nice as the silky smooth H6 in the Outback.

All the cars were on the IIHS top safety pick list, but the Subaru still ran circles around them, when it came to real-world safe driving and accident avoidance, and actual driver confidence. During test drives at highway speeds, Cheryl's fastest and most confident pretend emergency lane changes, occured by far in the Outback.

Interestingly, my wife always claimed she didn't care about the 4cyl vs 6cyl - as long as she got her moonroof. When I followed her home after picking up the Outback though, she started having some serious fun with the car. She is normally very sedate, but admitted she was really enjoying the seemingly effortless smooth power - passing other cars a lot more than she used to. :)

Turns out what she definitely did NOT want was a two-tone Outback - those look like really old people's cars. We purchased a 2008 monotone harvest gold 3.0R outback LLbean edition from Karl at Van Nortel Subaru.

My brother in law and his wife recently attended a BMW advanced driver school where they did a lot of emergency manouvers. They are very image conscious (suburban yuppies). He's my age, his wife is in her early 30's. His wife wanted a safe vehicle for the kids, that did not make her look like a soccer mom. Both of them now regret their recent purchase of a brand new Honda Pilot - as the day long course really demonstrated how incompetent SUV type vehicles are when it comes to emergency handling and accident avoidance. I let my brother in law take a drive in our new Outback and he kept repeating, "very nice, VERY nice" as he drove it :) I nearly had to pry the keys out of his hands at the end of the drive. He was obviously wishing he had bought an H6 outback instead.

Thanks for the responses guys :cool: I'll see if I can use them as leverage towards the other half :lol:

[chadw01]

Worse than what ?

Please stay on topic, this is about importing a car and not about "my car is better than your car", thanks.

Worse than a FWD car, what did you think? A moped?

[drayog]

Question: For those who have purchased out West : Washington St and Oregon

Washington St purchase : Do I pay WA St. tax and PST and GST at the border? or just WA St tax and only GST at export

Oregon purchase: Do I only pay the GST at the Border or do I pay both the PST and GST, I know you don't pay any tax in oregon

Thanks Bros

[Pseudo Nim]

AWD does not make the car safer, in fact it makes it less safe since you THINK the car will perform better.

The only advantage of AWD is acceleration in wet/snowy conditions.

It will not make the car stop faster, in fact its worse since AWD is heavier. Same goes with cornering.

People are easily fooled by the slick marketing :(

At the risk of getting into a flame war, I have to flame you for this - saying "AWD does not make the car safer, in fact it makes it less safe" is just as much FUD as would be saying "omg it's the safest car in the world". I agree that AWD makes you _think_ you are safer, which is probably not a good thing (it's like the 2nd year of a driver's license - much more dangerous than the first since you think you know everything by now), but I've been driving a Subaru for 3 years now, and it's a BLAST to drive (not to mention that the 167hp engine is much more than what you get with comparably priced Hondas and Toyotas). Sure - it's 1,500 kg, which is pretty heavy, but in terms of brute acceleration, it does a nice job (though an overzealous fat woman in an Echo beat me once - it was rather humiliating); but in terms of winter handling, it's SUPERB. Unlike FWD cars, which have humongous understeer in adverse conditions, and RWD cars, which have terrible oversteer, the AWD system gives you a CHOICE -- I can drift the car if I want, and I can throw it in a turn if I want, and I know that if I, for instance, am in a turn and the car is sliding, I can bring the car back under control. And not to mention parking in uncleaned streets - many a time have I seen all-powerful Accords and Camries burning rubber trying to get out of 40cm of snow. :)

I think a lot of people misunderstand AWD - but, at least in our winter, I think it has an undisputed advantage over any other drive system. The only thing I wish is that it had a locking differential...

Btw, my best story about a RWD car was a guy in one of the uber-rich areas here who drove out of his parking lot in his '06 BMW 5-series and went into a huge oversteer (I guess the traction control isn't too great on that), spun the car 180 degrees, and then LITERALLY sat there for about a full minute, looking entirely dazed, blinking and GRIPPING the steering wheel tight. Brakes on, rear wheels slowly spinning, car facing in opposite direction. Totally hilarious.

[DSTU]

It is a bigger car overall compare to the Camry and Altima and it has a higher clearance. My definition of safer is bigger is better. The outback can out perform the camry and altima on snow and ice any day. Also it has all around airbags which also help.

Not if the Altima and Camry had snow tires and the Outback didn't...lol

[flaming homer]

Worse than a FWD car, what did you think? A moped?Apologies, I figured you were talking about some MUCH LESS OBVIOUS. Which model has better milage ? The Toyota Highlander Hybrid in 4WD/AWD mode or the Ford Mustang in 2WD ?

[drayog]

those of you who have bought in WA and Oregon, what dealer or dealers would you reccommend ? I would go with Karl but he seems to far

[Pseudo Nim]

Not if the Altima and Camry had snow tires and the Outback didn't...lol

OMG but what if they were competing on ice, the Subaru had chains, whereas the Altima and Camry had NO TIRES AND were CUSTOM-MOUNTED on SKIS?! And this was set to a backdrop of Godzilla fighting Mothra?

[DSTU]

Doesn't that say it all, good traction and acceleration in wet/snowy conditions. So you can get out of a potential mess before it happens.

I know it uses a bit more gas than a front wheel drive, but I find I can get more mileage from Shell gas than Esso, for instance.

I don't know about your comment about cornering, in fact, I feel I had better control and feel more stable cornering with a Subaru than anything else.

While it is true that AWD does not substantially improve safety...they are extremely handy in Winter here in Canada. Also, the stability control system tied with the AWD system can be better than with 2wd.

Saying it is marketing is partly true.

Saying it will hurt stopping distances is utter nonsense!

Saying the Subaru's are less safe is totally untrue...quite the opposite.

The insurance institute awarded 13 vehicles top honours for safety....3 were Subaru's.....not one toyota made the list!

What nonsense.

A Top of the Line Legacy Spec B is a worse handler than a Front Wheel drive MazdaSpeed6 in certain categories.

60-0 - 123 vs 113 feet

Slalom 67 vs 68 mph

I never said its less safe, in Fact Subaru's are at the top in crash testing, not handling.

[DSTU]

At the risk of getting into a flame war, I have to flame you for this - saying "AWD does not make the car safer, in fact it makes it less safe" is just as much FUD as would be saying "omg it's the safest car in the world". I agree that AWD makes you _think_ you are safer, which is probably not a good thing (it's like the 2nd year of a driver's license - much more dangerous than the first since you think you know everything by now), but I've been driving a Subaru for 3 years now, and it's a BLAST to drive (not to mention that the 167hp engine is much more than what you get with comparably priced Hondas and Toyotas). Sure - it's 1,500 kg, which is pretty heavy, but in terms of brute acceleration, it does a nice job (though an overzealous fat woman in an Echo beat me once - it was rather humiliating); but in terms of winter handling, it's SUPERB. Unlike FWD cars, which have humongous understeer in adverse conditions, and RWD cars, which have terrible oversteer, the AWD system gives you a CHOICE -- I can drift the car if I want, and I can throw it in a turn if I want, and I know that if I, for instance, am in a turn and the car is sliding, I can bring the car back under control. And not to mention parking in uncleaned streets - many a time have I seen all-powerful Accords and Camries burning rubber trying to get out of 40cm of snow. :)

I think a lot of people misunderstand AWD - but, at least in our winter, I think it has an undisputed advantage over any other drive system. The only thing I wish is that it had a locking differential...

Btw, my best story about a RWD car was a guy in one of the uber-rich areas here who drove out of his parking lot in his '06 BMW 5-series and went into a huge oversteer (I guess the traction control isn't too great on that), spun the car 180 degrees, and then LITERALLY sat there for about a full minute, looking entirely dazed, blinking and GRIPPING the steering wheel tight. Brakes on, rear wheels slowly spinning, car facing in opposite direction. Totally hilarious.

My point exactly - its better in snow/wet conditions, in dry its worse.

But you do go faster into corners thinking that the AWD will save you - well it doesn't unless you are a professional rally racer.

[karl_at_vanbortel]

What nonsense.

A Top of the Line Legacy Spec B is a worse handler than a Front Wheel drive MazdaSpeed6 in certain categories.

60-0 - 123 vs 113 feet

Slalom 67 vs 68 mph

I never said its less safe, in Fact Subaru's are at the top in crash testing, not handling.

Last time I checked there are no slaloms on my way to work. None on the way to the market, either. Hmmm. I agree. Let's keep this post on topic. There are plenty of other forums for us to discuss our OPINIONS about the shortfalls and attributes of our favorite cars!:cool:

[Agedashi]

Question: For those who have purchased out West : Washington St and Oregon

Washington St purchase : Do I pay WA St. tax and PST and GST at the border? or just WA St tax and only GST at export

Oregon purchase: Do I only pay the GST at the Border or do I pay both the PST and GST, I know you don't pay any tax in oregon

Thanks Bros

From my experience:

I paid no Washington State tax. I paid GST at the border and PST when I insured the vehicle in BC.

And now here is the New and interesting tidbit I just found out yesterday which may apply to anyone in BC. When I went to the insurance broker to have them sight my VIN # I was told I only needed the form 1 that I received at the border, the letter of recall and title to insure the vehicle. I was told I did not require the form from the RIV nor an inspection on a new vehicle. She said the forms from the RIV were taking too long to receive. In short, 2-days after getting home the vehicle is now insured and on the road.

I can't tell you if this is a "one-off" and a matter of my own good fortune or the new procedure at ICBC, but it's worth looking into if you are waiting to insure your vehicle.

[RRKnight]

Not if the Altima and Camry had snow tires and the Outback didn't...lol

Actually I still think the outback will do better even if it didn't have snow tires compare to the Altima and Camry with. I'll have to test it out this winter when I see a camry or altima on the street and try to race them. :D

[MMMM]

Originally Posted by drayog
Question: For those who have purchased out West : Washington St and Oregon

Washington St purchase : Do I pay WA St. tax and PST and GST at the border? or just WA St tax and only GST at export

Oregon purchase: Do I only pay the GST at the Border or do I pay both the PST and GST, I know you don't pay any tax in oregon

Thanks Bros

No tax buying your vehicle in Wash state.

[RRKnight]

What nonsense.

A Top of the Line Legacy Spec B is a worse handler than a Front Wheel drive MazdaSpeed6 in certain categories.

60-0 - 123 vs 113 feet

Slalom 67 vs 68 mph

I never said its less safe, in Fact Subaru's are at the top in crash testing, not handling.

The MazdaSpeed 6 only comes in AWD and only the regular Mazda 6 are FWD. Not sure what FWD MazdaSpeed 6 test are you referring to?????

[Lookin' for deals]

Anyone got emails from Toyota/Lexus saying the same thing? We need some a paper trail... Anyone who has emails should post it here for record keep just in case we need need evidences and file a complain of the anti trust/competitive practices which Toyota has agrees to stop in their settlement lawsuit.

Here are some more responses:

:cry:

I'm sorry but we cannot sell any vehicles out of the country. The vehicle
must be titled in the United States. I apologize for any inconvenience.

Thank you and have a great day!

Edward Montaine

Internet Sales Manager
Lexus of Toledo
419.841.3500 Office
419.843.4995 Fax
800.4LEXUS4 Toll Free
lexus@whitecars.com
lexusoftoledo.com URL

:cry:

Thank you for your email. Lexus automobiles cannot be exported to Canada from the United States.

Best regards,

Moe Benkhadra
Internet Sales Manager
Lexus of Silver Spring
Phone:(301)680-0400
sales@darcarslexus.dealerspace.com
www.lexusofsilverspring.com

[drayog]

Okay no tax in WA.

So if I buy a used vehicle do I still pay GST and PST at the border ?

How about from a dealer or private deal in Washington St. does anything change

Thanks to those who are helping me out

[Monsieurmaggot]

Okay no tax in WA.

So if I buy a used vehicle do I still pay GST and PST at the border ?

How about from a dealer or private deal in Washington St. does anything change

Thanks to those who are helping me out

It doesn't matter who you buy from in the US.

In order to register a US vehicle in Canada, you will need to pay the GST and provide proof of payment to RIV. You can't circumvent that one.

Only the subsequent buyers don't pay the GST.

[DSTU]

Here are some more responses:

:cry:

I'm sorry but we cannot sell any vehicles out of the country. The vehicle
must be titled in the United States. I apologize for any inconvenience.

Thank you and have a great day!

Edward Montaine

Internet Sales Manager
Lexus of Toledo
419.841.3500 Office
419.843.4995 Fax
800.4LEXUS4 Toll Free
lexus@whitecars.com
lexusoftoledo.com URL

:cry:

Thank you for your email. Lexus automobiles cannot be exported to Canada from the United States.

Best regards,

Moe Benkhadra
Internet Sales Manager
Lexus of Silver Spring
Phone:(301)680-0400
sales@darcarslexus.dealerspace.com
www.lexusofsilverspring.com

Did you ask them about pre-owned Lexi?

Hell a used Lexi is better than probably 99% of new cars...LOL

[DarkCat]

Okay no tax in WA.
So if I buy a used vehicle do I still pay GST and PST at the border ?



As MonsieurMaggot said, your sales tax situation does not change in Canada.

Just to elaborate, for the purposes of importing a car, the only real reason
(AFAIK) to identify the tax-free states is so that if possible(/necessary), you
can get a potential friend/family to buy the car for you and then turn around
and sell it to you without incurring transaction fees. The higher the local
sales taxes, the less sense this transaction makes.

When you get back to Canada, you WILL pay GST, and (unless you live in
Alberta!) you WILL pay PST.

[karl_at_vanbortel]

One thing I would like to bring to everyones attention is that the incentives from the manufacturer change on a monthly basis. I was speaking to a forum member on the phone just a few moments ago. He was asking about the Holiday Coupon and Dealer Cash incentives that he read about here. The incentives he was referring to expired in December! Not only do these incentives change on a monthly basis but they vary regionally as well. You can always view the current incentive program on our website, www.vanbortelsubaru.com. Not a rant, just hope this clarifies things!:razz:

[drayog]

Got it. Thanks

[DarkCat]

Hi Karl,

Didn't think about it before, but you are actually the guy to ask/confirm.

My understanding is that Lexus has a problem with exporting BRAND NEW cars to Canada, but NOT with used cars.

I do not need to contact a Lexus dealer for that - you also sell used Lexus', do you not?

Can you confirm my assumption?

thanks, DarkCat

[DSTU]

One thing I would like to bring to everyones attention is that the incentives from the manufacturer change on a monthly basis. I was speaking to a forum member on the phone just a few moments ago. He was asking about the Holiday Coupon and Dealer Cash incentives that he read about here. The incentives he was referring to expired in December! Not only do these incentives change on a monthly basis but they vary regionally as well. You can always view the current incentive program on our website, www.vanbortelsubaru.com. Not a rant, just hope this clarifies things!:razz:


Canadian Subaru Dealers are rip-off artists:

This is the only rebate showing -

Think about this. Subaru is now offering a $750 cash rebate to qualified graduate students who purchase a new vehicle.

I guess they pocket the incentives from the manufacturer while only giving you a few hundred off MSRP.

Whereas US Subaru dealers show you all rebates and incentives right on their website.

[chadw01]

Apologies, I figured you were talking about some MUCH LESS OBVIOUS. Which model has better milage ? The Toyota Highlander Hybrid in 4WD/AWD mode or the Ford Mustang in 2WD ?

Please stay on topic, this is about importing a car and not about "my car is better than your car", thanks.

[flaming homer]

Please stay on topic, this is about importing a car and not about "my car is better than your car", thanks.Ha ha ha, nice one, welcome to my ignore list

[bguy7890]

No tax buying your vehicle in Wash state.

Is it simply because you're exporting the car directly? If I register the car in WA State prior to exporting it to BC, will I have to pay WA state tax as well? Thinking about getting a friend to buy a Toyota in WA and sell it to me as used.
Thanks.

[Monsieurmaggot]

As MonsieurMaggot said, your sales tax situation does not change in Canada.

Just to elaborate, for the purposes of importing a car, the only real reason
(AFAIK) to identify the tax-free states is so that if possible(/necessary), you
can get a potential friend/family to buy the car for you and then turn around
and sell it to you without incurring transaction fees. The higher the local
sales taxes, the less sense this transaction makes.

When you get back to Canada, you WILL pay GST, and (unless you live in
Alberta!) you WILL pay PST.

What transaction fees? Unless you live near a state that insists on charging sales tax to non-residents (like cash-strapped Michigan) you're not really saving any money. Some states might not charge sales tax but buyers do incur county and municipal taxes.

Personally I bought my car in New York state. There is no sales tax to non-residents.

The only "fee" I paid was a total of $77.50 DMV fees.

You will still pay PST (unless you live in Alberta) and GST.

Be sure to be truthful to Revenue Canada on what you paid since as others mentioned, you can have your vehicle seized and fined.

[chadw01]

If you register it in the US, you must pay state taxes, and then when you bring it back to Canada, you pay GST/PST (except Alberta).

If you want your Amerifriend to buy it for you, he will pay state taxes, and then you don't get double taxed.

[icu_nxtime]

Basically yes or direct export or "buying it used from a friend" if you bought it in a state that had tax then you would esentially be double taxed US and CDN but if you get someone to buy it in a non tax state then you only pay the CDN tax and it would be based on the book value not some fake amount that your friend claims to have sold it to you for.

Don't know how it works with a close relative ie mother selling it to you for $1 though if that even still exists any more.

[scouzi]

Canadian Subaru Dealers are rip-off artists:

This is the only rebate showing -

Think about this. Subaru is now offering a $750 cash rebate to qualified graduate students who purchase a new vehicle.

I guess they pocket the incentives from the manufacturer while only giving you a few hundred off MSRP.

Whereas US Subaru dealers show you all rebates and incentives right on their website.

I think it's a Subaru Canada issue. They take themselves for a premium brand here in Canada - hence no rebates ever. Their business model is based on lower volume but higher per car profit. Why they don't lower their car prices to gain Canadian market share is beyond me.


I don't put the blame 100% on Candian car dealers for pricing differences.

[scouzi]

Here are some more responses:

:cry:

I'm sorry but we cannot sell any vehicles out of the country. The vehicle
must be titled in the United States. I apologize for any inconvenience.

Thank you and have a great day!

Edward Montaine

Internet Sales Manager
Lexus of Toledo
419.841.3500 Office
419.843.4995 Fax
800.4LEXUS4 Toll Free
lexus@whitecars.com
lexusoftoledo.com URL

:cry:

Thank you for your email. Lexus automobiles cannot be exported to Canada from the United States.

Best regards,

Moe Benkhadra
Internet Sales Manager
Lexus of Silver Spring
Phone:(301)680-0400
sales@darcarslexus.dealerspace.com
www.lexusofsilverspring.com

MAZDA:

Thank you for contacting Mazda. I apologize for the delay in response to your contact.

Yes, US Mazda dealerships per their dealer agreement are not allowed to sell
vehicles that will not be registered in the US first. If the dealership knows a
vehicle is being sold to export to another country then they will not sell the
vehicle. Exactly what penalties they suffer I could not say.

Once again, thank you for contacting Mazda.

Regards,
Michael M.
Specialist, Customer Assistance

TOYOTA TAKE 1:

We apologize if the previous email did not fully address your question.

Toyota does not have a set policy that United States dealerships must follow regarding a sales transaction that may lead to a vehicle being exported to another country. All United States Toyota dealerships are independently owned and operated and reserve the right to make their own decisions on individual sales transactions.

We encourage you to speak with the Customer Relations Manager at your local Toyota dealership for clarification and or parameters on vehicle sales.

TOYOTA TAKE 2:

We apologize for any lack of clarify in our previous reply and we appreciate the opportunity to clarify Toyota's position in this matter:

Toyota dealerships in the U.S. are not authorized to sell Toyota motor vehicles for resale or use outside the United States.

We value you as a customer, and appreciate this opportunity to review your concerns.

Toyota Customer Experience


PORSCHE:

You should contact the U.S. dealer regarding penalties if there are any. The dealerships would have their own standards for that. Porsche Cars North America recommends speaking to the dealership in Canada for your purchase even though the exchange rate is higher the taxes and fees tend to weigh out the equation.
Regards,
Jolene
Porsche General Response Team
(800) Porsche, Option 5

[karl_at_vanbortel]

Hi Karl,

Didn't think about it before, but you are actually the guy to ask/confirm.

My understanding is that Lexus has a problem with exporting BRAND NEW cars to Canada, but NOT with used cars.

I do not need to contact a Lexus dealer for that - you also sell used Lexus', do you not?

Can you confirm my assumption?

thanks, DarkCat

In the four years (next week) I've been here we've had two used Lexus's... or is it Lexi? Anyway, for those of you that don't know where we are located, Van Bortel Subaru is sort of in the country. There isn't much around us and most people don't come out this way looking for things other than Subaru's. I don't see why you couldn't buy a used Lexus from a Lexus dealer. One thing that I haven't seen ANYONE bring up in Certified Pre-Owned. Do manufacturers like Toyota and Lexus have the same "head up their a$$" mentality on CPO cars????

[Monsieurmaggot]

I think there's some confusion here regarding sales taxes.

Let me clarify things (based on what we collectively know from this thread):

If you buy ANY car regardless of whether it's in the US or Canada, you will be paying GST when it's new or imported. You will also pay a $100 A/C tax AND the gas guzzler tax (if applicable). You can't get around that.

You will also pay provincial sales tax (unless you're lucky enough to live in Alberta where no sales tax exists) when you first register the car.

Do your research. You don't need to buy a car in a tax-free US state. There are plenty of people on this site who've bought from many US states and paid NO sales tax at the dealership. Non-residents normally DON'T pay sales tax on car purchases. At this point, the only state that we know that is screwed up is Michigan. Some folks pay the sales tax there, others don't. It seems to be hit and miss but increasingly people are reporting that sales tax is applicable.

Both Karl and eastsidesubaru can confirm this.

[chadw01]

I think it's a Subaru Canada issue. They take themselves for a premium brand here in Canada - hence no rebates ever. Their business model is based on lower volume but higher per car profit. Why they don't lower their car prices to gain Canadian market share is beyond me.


I don't put the blame 100% on Candian car dealers for pricing differences.

We should put part of the blame on ourselves for buying from them at those outrageous prices..

[flaming homer]

You don't need to buy a car in a tax-free US state. There are plenty of people on this site who've bought from many US states and paid NO sales tax at the dealership. Non-residents normally DON'T pay sales tax on car purchases. At this point, the only state that we know that is screwed up is Michigan. Some folks pay the sales tax there, others don't. It seems to be hit and miss but increasingly people are reporting that sales tax is applicable.My limited research into importing a Lexus from Florida says that non-residents are charged State Sales Tax in Florida, 4.5% ?

[DarkCat]

What transaction fees? ...

Perhaps bad wording on my behalf.

The sales tax IS the transaction fee.
If a local buys the car and sells to you, then
1) in a tax-free zone, TXN Fee = 0, or
2) in a tax zone, the TXN Fee = the sales tax the local paid to the dealer.

[brendonp]

I've recently imported an '05 Mini Cooper S, but have hit a slight snag. I bought it private-party in the US and don't have a recall clearance yet. Unfortunately I'm having difficulty tracking one down (sort of!) - I can easily get one from the local Mini dealer, but apparently BMW & Mini of Canada now charge $500 to source the document (as of June 1st) - some kind of f.u. tax.... Has anyone managed to get around this buying a BMW in the last 2 months?

[whampoa]

I've recently imported an '05 Mini Cooper S, but have hit a slight snag. I bought it private-party in the US and don't have a recall clearance yet. Unfortunately I'm having difficulty tracking one down (sort of!) - I can easily get one from the local Mini dealer, but apparently BMW & Mini of Canada now charge $500 to source the document (as of June 1st) - some kind of f.u. tax.... Has anyone managed to get around this buying a BMW in the last 2 months?

Why couldn't you get a recall letter from BMW USA. It's none of BMW Canada business to provide you with one, since they're not the one who sell it to you used or new.

[scouzi]

I've recently imported an '05 Mini Cooper S, but have hit a slight snag. I bought it private-party in the US and don't have a recall clearance yet. Unfortunately I'm having difficulty tracking one down (sort of!) - I can easily get one from the local Mini dealer, but apparently BMW & Mini of Canada now charge $500 to source the document (as of June 1st) - some kind of f.u. tax.... Has anyone managed to get around this buying a BMW in the last 2 months?

Ask the original owner to you a favor and do it for you. He's probably still registered as the owner in their system with the USA side.

[inspire]

I can easily get one from the local Mini dealer, but apparently BMW & Mini of Canada now charge $500 to source the document (as of June 1st) - some kind of f.u. tax.... Has anyone managed to get around this buying a BMW in the last 2 months?
Uh ... you're saving how much on buying an '05 Mini in the US ... and you're gonna try to sneak out of US$500 for a mandatory clearance letter? You're lucky that BMW is going to charge you US$500 -- Porsche ... that's closer to US$1500.

Think of it this way ... the cost to bring the Mini in is an extra US$500. Peanuts, considering your purchase is > US$10 000. (And you won't have to pay GST on it, either! ;) )

Ask the original owner to you a favor and do it for you. He's probably still registered as the owner in their system with the USA side
They'll know what he's up to (dealership or corporate) ... and still will ask for US$500 for it.

[brendonp]

Why couldn't you get a recall letter from BMW USA. It's none of BMW Canada business to provide you with one, since they're not the one who sell it to you used or new.

I contacted BMW USA - the rep I spoke to said that I should contact BMW Canada, since they've changed their policy.

Ask the original owner to you a favor and do it for you. He's probably still registered as the owner in their system with the USA side.

He's left the US and is now in Germany (with the armed forces)!

Uh ... you're saving how much on buying an '05 Mini in the US ... and you're gonna try to sneak out of US$500 for a mandatory clearance letter? You're lucky that BMW is going to charge you US$500 -- Porsche ... that's closer to US$1500.

While the letter is mandatory, the fee is disproportionate to the service rendered - we're talking about 30 seconds of work. I hadn't considered trying to find an "alternate" method to deal with RIV "sneaking", but I understand your viewpoint. I'm just not sure why anyone wouldn't investigate the alternatives.... I spoke with the local Mini advisor who was almost apologetic about the fee - especially since she had just charged me $150 to hook the car up to a computer and switch on the DRL and change all the LCDs to read out metric information.


Think of it this way ... the cost to bring the Mini in is an extra US$500. Peanuts, considering your purchase is > US$10 000. (And you won't have to pay GST on it, either! ;) )

They'll know what he's up to (dealership or corporate) ... and still will ask for US$500 for it.

Actually, it's an extra $500 CAD - which is even better (not sure about the tax)! However, again we've made a point of looking for a cheaper way to purchase an automobile - why not look for a way to minimize the potential fees as well? I don't really buy the argument that if you've saved a bunch of money you should feel obligated to pay extra for something else... if this was the case, we'd all be paying an import company to get the vehicle to us directly and handle the paperwork instead of picking them up ourselves.

I think the largest problem I have with this fee is that BMW Canada can NOT actually providing the service - they MUST call BMW NA in order to get a clearance letter since they don't have access to US vehicles in their computer system. They (BMW CA) have also made a point of contacted RIV and telling them not to accept clearance letters issued by the BMW NA (who issues the letter anyway, then sends it to BMW CA). This would be acceptable if it was built into the pricing of vehicles or other costs, but the payment is to BMW CA, not a dealership and would appear to be a direct response to losing sales to US imports. In other words, instead of attempting to be competitive with our US neighbours the response is to find a way to increase the cost of importation with the money by-passing Candian dealers and heading straight to the Fatherland!...

Oddly enough the car was actually bought through the Canadian Armed Forces in Germany so I may try to see if it's listed in a Canadian registry somewhere (even though it has a US spec)...

Thanks for everyone's comments!

[uncle_odb]

When can I officially call the auto manufacturer to get the recall clearance letter? When I officially take possession of the vehicle? Or can I do this once I have paid for the vehicle in full? I'm in the process of buying a Subaru, and I want to know if i need to wait until I officially pickup the vehicle and Subaru reports that I am now the owner? I've already wired the full payment down and the dealer has faxed over the required documents to US Customs. I was hoping i could at least order the recall clearance letter while I'm waiting for my 3 days.

Thanks!

[hlfire]

Nissan is now saying they won't honour warranty on cars imported from the US. However, dealers in the US say it's up to my interpretation of their warranty statement.

Has anyone gotten service from an imported car in Canada yet?

[brendonp]

When can I officially call the auto manufacturer to get the recall clearance letter? When I officially take possession of the vehicle? Or can I do this once I have paid for the vehicle in full? I'm in the process of buying a Subaru, and I want to know if i need to wait until I officially pickup the vehicle and Subaru reports that I am now the owner? I've already wired the full payment down and the dealer has faxed over the required documents to US Customs. I was hoping i could at least order the recall clearance letter while I'm waiting for my 3 days.

Thanks!

I believe all you need is the VIN - at one time with BMW/Mini you could just ask for it to be faxed to you by calling up head office. I would think that this varies by manufacturer, but if you have the VIN you might as well try.

[LoDown]

Here are some more responses:

:cry:

I'm sorry but we cannot sell any vehicles out of the country. The vehicle
must be titled in the United States. I apologize for any inconvenience.

Thank you and have a great day!

Edward Montaine

Internet Sales Manager
Lexus of Toledo
419.841.3500 Office
419.843.4995 Fax
800.4LEXUS4 Toll Free
lexus@whitecars.com
lexusoftoledo.com URL

:cry:

Thank you for your email. Lexus automobiles cannot be exported to Canada from the United States.

Best regards,

Moe Benkhadra
Internet Sales Manager
Lexus of Silver Spring
Phone:(301)680-0400
sales@darcarslexus.dealerspace.com
www.lexusofsilverspring.com

I take it they will not sell NEW or USED Lexus cars. Are there any anti-competition laws being broken here? A previous post mentioned that Toyota paid a $35M fine (out of court settlement) but I believe that was for 'collusion' with other car companies to prevent US customer from buying in Canada. What we need to know is whether a car company can decide (on it's own) to NOT sell to NAFTA customers. If the answer is YES, then we can only boycott their products ... or catch them colluding again :mad:. Is anyone in this forum a lawyer or know a lawyer who can shed some light on the facts sourrounding this issue?

On a side note: If I buy a 'used' car in the US from a dealer or privately and it is not NAFTA exempt do I still pay the 6.125% Duty?

LoDown

[crasher]

On a side note: If I buy a 'used' car in the US from a dealer or privately and it is not NAFTA exempt do I still pay the 6.125% Duty?

LoDown

YES

[uncle_odb]

I believe all you need is the VIN - at one time with BMW/Mini you could just ask for it to be faxed to you by calling up head office. I would think that this varies by manufacturer, but if you have the VIN you might as well try.

Hi,

Thanks for the reply. I guess it wouldn't hurt to try. I'll try calling Subaru of America tomorrow morning.

[chadw01]

All you need is the VIN.

Here is your recall contacts list courtesy of RIV:

http://www.riv.ca/english/html/recall_contacts.html

[LoDown]

There must still be some out there. If you recently bought a new car from a US Toyota dealer for export to Canada (directly or using a US address) please PM me with dealer/salesman details.

Thanx in advance.

[azul]

hi, I saw from some forum discussing about buying cars in the US, but they didn't bother to change the plates to Canadian plates(ex. still using the california plates), would this cause a lot of trouble in Canada?

also if anyone knows the process that how I can have my amerifriend buy the car and resell it to me in a short time, please post here or pm me.

I appreciate any help.

[Rehan]

hi, I saw from some forum discussing about buying cars in the US, but they didn't bother to change the plates to Canadian plates(ex. still using the california plates), would this cause a lot of trouble in Canada? Yes, technically it's illegal for Canadians to drive US cars in Canada (unless they're going through the import process).

also if anyone knows the process that how I can have my amerifriend buy the car and resell it to me in a short time, please post here or pm me. I'm also wondering if there is anything more to it than having the Amerifriend make the purchase, get temporary plates, and then selling it to you. In your case, if you make the purchase in Oregon then you won't have to worry about state tax, either.

[brendonp]

Yes, technically it's illegal for Canadians to drive US cars in Canada (unless they're going through the import process).

We still have American plates on our Mini, pending getting the recall clearance letter so that we can get our CndTire inspection and proper tags for the car from the MOT/DMV (or whatever they call it in Ontario). As far as I can tell, I can't put our extra set of Canadian plates on because they don't have valid tags and I can't get valid tags until all the paperwork is completed. The guy at the border crossing counter said that our proof of payment and RIV documents are actually all we need to drive the car for 45 days from the date of crossing (assuming we have insurance, etc, etc).

I'm not too concerned about the american plates (I figure it's roughly the equivalent of driving with temp tags from NY State as several people have done), but we will obviously be switching over to Canadian plates as soon as possible.

[johnsa]

Nissan is now saying they won't honour warranty on cars imported from the US. However, dealers in the US say it's up to my interpretation of their warranty statement.

Has anyone gotten service from an imported car in Canada yet?

There is really no room for interpretation...both the Nissan USA website and my 2007 Maxima manual state very clearly that the warranty is valid in canada unless 1. the original registered owner brings it to Canada AND 2. sells it within the first 6 mths of ownership.....

Perhaps they are working on a change to the manual and there policy...

[hlfire]

There is really no room for interpretation...both the Nissan USA website and my 2007 Maxima manual state very clearly that the warranty is valid in canada unless 1. the original registered owner brings it to Canada AND 2. sells it within the first 6 mths of ownership.....

Perhaps they are working on a change to the manual and there policy...

That's how interpret it. The AND in the manual says that. I think Nissan Canada is trying to scare people.

[drayog]

Thinking of purchasing a 04 Toyota Matrix.

If someone can help me with all the fees I would incure.

Cost $11,000 US

my fees:

exchange around 6% on the $ 11,000 = $11660

GST and PST 13% : based on the Canadian cost after exchange I would think ? $1515.80

$ 100 A/C Fee

$200 RIV Fee

Duty 6% ?? $699.60

so my final across the border ready to go total is = $14175.40 (estimated)

Can someone help me confirm this or am I missing anything, or over charged ???

[Rehan]

There is really no room for interpretation...both the Nissan USA website and my 2007 Maxima manual state very clearly that the warranty is valid in canada unless 1. the original registered owner brings it to Canada AND 2. sells it within the first 6 mths of ownership.....

Perhaps they are working on a change to the manual and there policy... I think Nissan Canada was referring to the practice of "grey market" middlemen who buy the car, import it to Canada, and then sell it to a Canadian. In that case, the warranty could not be transferred to the eventual Canadian owner.

But if a Canadian goes down himself, makes the purchase, and imports it, then there should be no problem.

[Kamloops]

11,000 Base USD
x 1.06 exchange
= 11,660.00
x 1.13 PST/GST
= 13,175.80
+106.00 Excise
+100.00 DRL
+85 Insurance binder
+120.93 Prov inspection
+206.70 Riv Fee

Total + 13,949.43 Plus travel Expenses

No 6.1% , Matric is made in Canada.

The Toyota Matrix is a compact hatchback manufactured by Toyota in Cambridge, Ontario, Canada and sold in North America.

The Matrix is the Toyota version of a joint venture between Toyota and General Motors; the GM version is the Pontiac Vibe, made at NUMMI in Fremont, California. A third version, also assembled at NUMMI, was sold in Japan from 2002 to early 2004 as the Toyota Voltz. Although the Voltz was sold under the Toyota brand there, the styling was nearly identical to the Vibe. The Matrix is considered to be the sporty station wagon version of the Corolla.

The Matrix and the Vibe are identical mechanically and practically identical internally, but they are clothed in different sheetmetal in order to appear somewhat different.



Thinking of purchasing a 04 Toyota Matrix.

If someone can help me with all the fees I would incure.

Cost $11,000 US

my fees:

exchange around 6% on the $ 11,000 = $11660

GST and PST 13% : based on the Canadian cost after exchange I would think ? $1515.80

$ 100 A/C Fee

$200 RIV Fee

Duty 6% ?? $699.60

so my final across the border ready to go total is = $14175.40 (estimated)

Can someone help me confirm this or am I missing anything, or over charged ???

[Kamloops]

A resident of Canada is not permitted to drive a US registered car in Canada unless:

1. The car has been admitted to Canada for permanent
importation and duties and taxes were paid/or waived.
(In this case, the car may have US plates until all the
paperwork is processed by the Registrar of Imported
Vehicles);

hi, I saw from some forum discussing about buying cars in the US, but they didn't bother to change the plates to Canadian plates(ex. still using the california plates), would this cause a lot of trouble in Canada?

also if anyone knows the process that how I can have my amerifriend buy the car and resell it to me in a short time, please post here or pm me.

I appreciate any help.

[Kamloops]

Bought my Durango on the 9th and today on the 14th it passed both provincial and federal inspections and now has BC Plates. Painless process except for the dealers charging me 60 bucks for a 3 minute job enabling the daytime running lights.

Also Service guy tried to lecture me in front of other customers that it was not legal for me to drive with Washington plates. I had to educate him.

They also did the provincial inspection. 130.00 plus $22.72 for shop supplies??? What the F$%#$% is that? And another 33 dollars for new wipers that worked great two days earlier in the rain.

[game]

this may have been covered previously in the thread but this is the first time I have accessed this particular thread and do not feel like reading through 200+ pages. Is there an auto broker that I can contact about purchasing a vehicle from the states who would have answers such as warranty, insurance, etc.
thanks for the help.

[Kamloops]

VEHICLE SALES--NONRESIDENTS

Here is some info for anyone buying from a dealer in Wash State and they try to charge tax, you dont pay it

http://www.leg.wa.gov/pub/billinfo/2007-08/Pdf/Bills/Session%20Law%202007/2158-S.SL.pdf

[scouzi]

this may have been covered previously in the thread but this is the first time I have accessed this particular thread and do not feel like reading through 200+ pages. Is there an auto broker that I can contact about purchasing a vehicle from the states who would have answers such as warranty, insurance, etc.
thanks for the help.

Try these guys:

http://www.aacb.com/services/carimport.php

I never used them.

[caribbeansun]

I have confirmed with multiple Lexus dealers in the US (Ohio and NY states as well as ebay seller in Texas) that they have no issue with selling pre-owned Lexus to Canadians including their Certified Pre-Owned. In fact one offered to drive an RX350 to the airport to meet me.

For the poster asking about RX350 - not all of them are built in Canada some are still brought in from Japan depending on the trim level so check the VIN # ALWAYS!

In the four years (next week) I've been here we've had two used Lexus's... or is it Lexi? Anyway, for those of you that don't know where we are located, Van Bortel Subaru is sort of in the country. There isn't much around us and most people don't come out this way looking for things other than Subaru's. I don't see why you couldn't buy a used Lexus from a Lexus dealer. One thing that I haven't seen ANYONE bring up in Certified Pre-Owned. Do manufacturers like Toyota and Lexus have the same "head up their a$$" mentality on CPO cars????

[chadw01]

Can someone please confirm that this is the statement of compliance label that Canada Customs requires during inspection?

http://img14.imagevenue.com/loc816/th_85097_compliance-label_122_816lo.jpg (http://img14.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=85097_compliance-label_122_816lo.jpg)

Typically this should be located on the driver-side door jamb, correct?

[johnsa]

I think Nissan Canada was referring to the practice of "grey market" middlemen who buy the car, import it to Canada, and then sell it to a Canadian. In that case, the warranty could not be transferred to the eventual Canadian owner.

But if a Canadian goes down himself, makes the purchase, and imports it, then there should be no problem.

I agree entirely...they simply do not want "dealers" bringing cars up here....to resell..

[johnsa]

www.herbgordonspecials.com

Large dealer in Maryland/DC area....savings as much as 40% off Cdn MSRP!!!!!!!!

2007 Quest..base here about 32k ... this place $18,700 USD and only charge $99 admin fee!!!

2007 Armada LE 4x4 here....64k...these guys...34k USD!!

My blood is boiling and I wish I were a lawyer.......

I think I might sell my 2006 Quest and pick up an SE down there for 27k USD...list here is pushing 44k......

I need a drink...

Geez..you'd think this was a zellers clearance sale!!!

I just noticed some of these unclude a $500 rebate from Nissan Finance which we would not get..who cares....

[chadw01]

Faxed in my MSO to US customs at Queenston yesterday and called them back this morning to confirm they received it - left a message and waited.

About 30 minutes later one of the Customs officers calls back saying the fax machine is broken (even though I received a confirmation report from my fax saying the pages had been sent) and that they don't know when it's going to be fixed and that I should either mail the documents to them or hand it to them in person!

So much for my 72 hours.. anyways, could someone please recommend what other ports of entry can be used near Toronto?

Who knows when Queenston will get their 1 fax machine fixed..

Thanks!

[jadeboy]

Faxed in my MSO to US customs at Queenston yesterday and called them back this morning to confirm they received it - left a message and waited.

About 30 minutes later one of the Customs officers calls back saying the fax machine is broken (even though I received a confirmation report from my fax saying the pages had been sent) and that they don't know when it's going to be fixed and that I should either mail the documents to them or hand it to them in person!

So much for my 72 hours.. anyways, could someone please recommend what other ports of entry can be used near Toronto?

Who knows when Queenston will get their 1 fax machine fixed..

Thanks!


No way.. fax machine is broken.. like if they have only 1 fax. What type of operation are they running. Good thing you phone to confirm.

[chadw01]

No way.. fax machine is broken.. like if they have only 1 fax. What type of operation are they running. Good thing you phone to confirm.

Tell me about it.. it's ridiculous!

I don't know what to do other than wait until later today and try re-faxing it to them, or tomorrow, or the day after and keep hounding them until they confirm..

or.. I just found the other port nearest me in Michigan - but I don't want to drive all the way out there even if they are 24/7:

Detroit, MI (Ambassador Bridge)
2810 West Fort Street
Detroit, MI 48216-0000
313-226-3139 tel
313-226-5347 fax
Open 24-7

This really sucks..

[spdztr]

Did you ask if you can email it to them? They must have internet in the office...

Tell me about it.. it's ridiculous!

I don't know what to do other than wait until later today and try re-faxing it to them, or tomorrow, or the day after and keep hounding them until they confirm..

or.. I just found the other port nearest me in Michigan - but I don't want to drive all the way out there even if they are 24/7:

Detroit, MI (Ambassador Bridge)
2810 West Fort Street
Detroit, MI 48216-0000
313-226-3139 tel
313-226-5347 fax
Open 24-7

This really sucks..

[chadw01]

Did you ask if you can email it to them? They must have internet in the office...

No e-mail address, no alternate fax machine/number I was told..

[uncle_odb]

All you need is the VIN.

Here is your recall contacts list courtesy of RIV:

http://www.riv.ca/english/html/recall_contacts.html

Thanks for the reply. I just got off the phone with Subaru of America. They want me to fax over the title (front and back) and the bill of sale. I have a faxed copy of the front of the MSO, not the back, so I don't know if there is anything there. Can anyone confirm? I also have a "vehicle buyers order" which I think is a purchase order. I hope this is also considered a bill of sale, unless I get something else from the dealership when I go pick up my vehicle next week.

Thanks,

[Agedashi]

Thanks for the reply. I just got off the phone with Subaru of America. They want me to fax over the title (front and back) and the bill of sale. I have a faxed copy of the front of the MSO, not the back, so I don't know if there is anything there. Can anyone confirm? I also have a "vehicle buyers order" which I think is a purchase order. I hope this is also considered a bill of sale, unless I get something else from the dealership when I go pick up my vehicle next week.

Thanks,

There is a back to the title, just have the dealership fax it to you. The buyer's order will work; however, SoA wouldn't send me the letter until they received confrimation from the dealership that the car was now transfered into my name. It only took two days to work it all out.

[whampoa]

No way.. fax machine is broken.. like if they have only 1 fax. What type of operation are they running. Good thing you phone to confirm.

Contact the Niagara Falls bridge US border, but asked for a different department, maybe trucking, quarantine, or special delivery phone and fax number.

And have them bring it over to vehicle clearance department. When I have it stamps, it was literally a one person operation.

[uncle_odb]

There is a back to the title, just have the dealership fax it to you. The buyer's order will work; however, SoA wouldn't send me the letter until they received confrimation from the dealership that the car was now transfered into my name. It only took two days to work it all out.

Hi Agedashi, Thanks for the information. SoA will probably do the same to me; not release the recall clearance letter until the dealership confirms the vehicle is now in my name. Oh well, I guess I can't rush this part. I'll wait to get the actual Title when I pick up the vehicle next week. God this 3 days of waiting is killing me. :(

Cheers!

[Lax5]

Hi Agedashi, Thanks for the information. SoA will probably do the same to me; not release the recall clearance letter until the dealership confirms the vehicle is now in my name. Oh well, I guess I can't rush this part. I'll wait to get the actual Title when I pick up the vehicle next week. God this 3 days of waiting is killing me. :(

Cheers!

The recall clearance letter can also be provided by the dealership. The letter must be on formal dealership letterhead, I believe. Check the RIV site to verify this. Good luck!

[chs]

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[alkapone]

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2007 Ford Fusion Invoice Price Starts : ($16,316 - $22,073)



Go to Ford Direct to get lowest price quotation for this latest "2007 Ford Fusion".
Then click on "2007 Ford Fusion" to continue.
Next fill all the required information on the right hand side of the page.
Next click on "Get an Internet Price".
Next you will get your "2007_Fusion_S_Buyer's_Guide.pdf".

[Gmax]

I want to buy a used car in US (PA). I already found a car i'd like (a 2004 VW Jetta). A dealer i spoke said that he would give me a transit plate which is valid for 30 days and he doesn't know whether i have to buy an insurance to drive the car back to Canada.

-Do I have to buy insurance???

-Where i can buy insurance without a car?

-Maybe somebody has experience with importing used car in Quebec?

I would appreciate to any advice!

[jadeboy]

>Do I have to buy insurance???

Yes.. can't drive it without it unless you plan to tow it.

>Where i can buy insurance without a car?

All you need is the VIN number with any insurance company.

[Gmax]

>Do I have to buy insurance???

Yes.. can't drive it without it unless you plan to tow it.

>Where i can buy insurance without a car?

All you need is the VIN number with any insurance company.
I called to Desjardins (a Quebec bank/insurance co) and was told what i have to provide them with my plate #, before they can insure the car :(.

- Does someone know a broker in Montreal who could sell the insurance based only on VIN?

[Kamloops]

No e-mail address, no alternate fax machine/number I was told..

Fedex it

[Kamloops]

I called to Desjardins (a Quebec bank/insurance co) and was told what i have to provide them with my plate #, before they can insure the car :(.

- Does someone know a broker in Montreal who could sell the insurance based only on VIN?
You just need make model year and vin, tell them you want a binder of insurance. here in BC for 28,000 dollar value cost me 84.00 for 10 days. That was full coverage.

If they insist on a plate number here is a good one to give them - YOU-ASS

[lins_canada]

I just sold my old car and keep the plate (Ontario), can I use this plate in US to drive a car back to Canada? Thanks!

[Agedashi]

Hi Agedashi, Thanks for the information. SoA will probably do the same to me; not release the recall clearance letter until the dealership confirms the vehicle is now in my name. Oh well, I guess I can't rush this part. I'll wait to get the actual Title when I pick up the vehicle next week. God this 3 days of waiting is killing me. :(

Cheers!

No worries ODB,

I notice you are from BC so here is some other info that may help. I didn't actually need the letter of recall to get into Canada. I thought I would, but the customs agent told me I just had to fax it to the RIV in order to get my inspection form from the RIV. I did fax it in to the RIV, but in the meantime I went to my local ICBC broker to see about insurance and I was told I could insure the vehicle right away with only my filled out form 1 (which I received at the border), the bill of sale and the title. No inspection, no further forms and more importantly no waiting.

So only two days after arriving in Canada the vehicle is insured and on the road.

[diigii]

Why would you want to do that?? You are committing a felony crime in the US. If you are caught, you will be charge with a felony. You're no different from a car thief putting stolen plates illegally in a car so as to appear the car is duly registered. What you should get is state temporary tags for around US$15-20 from the state you bought your car and use them on your US-bought car. They are good for 60 days and you will be able to drive the car in the US and into Canada legally. Save yourself a big headache in expensive lawyer fees and inadmissibility back in the US if you get caught illegally putting plates that are not registered for the car itself.

I just sold my old car and keep the plate (Ontario), can I use this plate in US to drive a car back to Canada? Thanks!

[Monsieurmaggot]

Can someone please confirm that this is the statement of compliance label that Canada Customs requires during inspection?

http://img14.imagevenue.com/loc816/th_85097_compliance-label_122_816lo.jpg (http://img14.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=85097_compliance-label_122_816lo.jpg)

Typically this should be located on the driver-side door jamb, correct?

Canada Customs couldn't care less about compliance labels.

The label is a RIV requirement. They don't really care since the manufacturer provides them all the compliance details. RIV knows exactly what is required to make the car comply with Transport Canada rules.

Once you're in compliance, you'll get a new label from RIV showing the car was legally imported and complies to all rules.

I'll snap a picture of my compliance label and post it on the site.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Thanks for the reply. I just got off the phone with Subaru of America. They want me to fax over the title (front and back) and the bill of sale. I have a faxed copy of the front of the MSO, not the back, so I don't know if there is anything there. Can anyone confirm? I also have a "vehicle buyers order" which I think is a purchase order. I hope this is also considered a bill of sale, unless I get something else from the dealership when I go pick up my vehicle next week.

Thanks,

That's odd. When I went to pick up Subaru in Buffalo, I contacted SoA the same day. The dealer had provided them all the details and their system showed the car registered in my name. They knew I was Canadian and would require a recall letter. I got it faxed to me the following day and the original arrived a few days later.

I didn't need to send anything to SoA. I'm guessing your dealer hadn't reported the sale yet.

[lins_canada]

Just call my current insurance company Bel-air direct, they refused providing me the coverage for driving my car back to Ontario from US, they stupid broker said they only insured Ontario-register car, I can not even buy a car from Quebec! Insurance company don't even understand OAP.1. What a joke!

[Monsieurmaggot]

Why would you want to do that?? You are committing a felony crime in the US. If you are caught, you will be charge with a felony. You're no different from a car thief putting stolen plates illegally in a car so as to appear the car is duly registered. What you should get is state temporary tags for around US$15-20 from the state you bought your car and use them on your US-bought car. They are good for 60 days and you will be able to drive the car in the US and into Canada legally. Save yourself a big headache in expensive lawyer fees and inadmissibility back in the US if you get caught illegally putting plates that are not registered for the car itself.

Your right. That's insane. Who would ever consider crossing the border with illegal plates to save $15 (in Ontario)? The car isn't even registered in Canada. In this day and age, I'd love to be a fly on the wall as lins-canada explains himself to the Department of Homeland security why a US car was carrying Canadian plates. The DHS folks take their job very seriously. They have NO sense of humor.

[kuqdew]

thanks guys

[Monsieurmaggot]

Just call my current insurance company Bel-air direct, they refused providing me the coverage for driving my car back to Ontario from US, they stupid broker said they only insured Ontario-register car, I can not even buy a car from Quebec! Insurance company don't even understand OAP.1. What a joke!

Unfortunately the cut-rate "direct" insurance companies don't normally offer the extended services up front. I understand many of them will offer the services as an add-on for additional costs. I would imagine they have some sort of transit insurance coverage.

If not, try contacting a full-service insurer like Allstate, State Farm or Co-op.

I could write a new thread on insurance. Like most people I shopped around for insurance since I THOUGHT my insurer (State Farm) was charging me too much. (I made the mistake to compare prices not policies). I was insulted that their pricing wasn't the best. After I got a price quote from "Direct" Protect via an employee deal through my employer, I was amazed to find I'd save about 20-25%. I sat down with my agent to complain and learned about "named perils" and "all perils" policies, accident forgiveness, roadside assistance, rental cars, 18-month 100% replacement coverage, uninsured or underinsured motorist protection. When you added those "add-ons" to the Direct Protect price it turned out I would save less than $100 per year going with Direct Protect but give up my 30-year history with State Farm. In many cases the "Direct" companies don't even offer similar "add-ons" regardless of cost.

In my case, my SF agent provided me an Insurance Binder letter which was required in NY state and FULL coverage for 30 days without paying a cent up front. They double insured me (my old and new car) with no increase in payments. The only thing they insisted on what that I not needlessly drive my new car until the import process was completed and the car was successfully registered in Canada.

[chadw01]

Why would you want to do that?? You are committing a felony crime in the US. If you are caught, you will be charge with a felony. You're no different from a car thief putting stolen plates illegally in a car so as to appear the car is duly registered. What you should get is state temporary tags for around US$15-20 from the state you bought your car and use them on your US-bought car. They are good for 60 days and you will be able to drive the car in the US and into Canada legally. Save yourself a big headache in expensive lawyer fees and inadmissibility back in the US if you get caught illegally putting plates that are not registered for the car itself.

How does a Canadian insurance company provide insurance for a vehicle with US temporary tags? I called my insurance company DirectProtect Group and the broker was clueless on how to handle the import process. They said they would call me back as it had to go to the "underwriters" for evaluation.

[chadw01]

Fedex it

If I can get their mailing address, I will..

(I just left them another voice message.)

Thanks.

[whampoa]

Just call my current insurance company Bel-air direct, they refused providing me the coverage for driving my car back to Ontario from US, they stupid broker said they only insured Ontario-register car, I can not even buy a car from Quebec! Insurance company don't even understand OAP.1. What a joke!

Then what's stopping you from shopping around and look for another insurance company.

Hint: RBC insurance is a good start, they do insure out of province and US vehicle, and it usually 20% cheaper to insure compare to other cough Bel-Air cough.

[KillaB]

Do your research. You don't need to buy a car in a tax-free US state. There are plenty of people on this site who've bought from many US states and paid NO sales tax at the dealership. Non-residents normally DON'T pay sales tax on car purchases. At this point, the only state that we know that is screwed up is Michigan. Some folks pay the sales tax there, others don't. It seems to be hit and miss but increasingly people are reporting that sales tax is applicable.

The truck of my dreams exists in Illinois and they are willing to deal. The only problem is that they want to charge me sales tax, which is 6.5% in county I'm dealing with. Any supporting documents that I can challenge them with? Or is there some way I can apply for a credit once the vehicle is registered in Ontario.

Florida seems the same. If you want to drive it off the lot you have to pay the taxes. If you agree to trailer it home the dealership will refund the tax once you send them the Bill of Lading.

EDIT, big screw up in geography. It's actually Illinois I need to be worried about.

[hieppo]

Hi,

This thread is way too long to peruse through to find information. It is nice to have such a big thread to indicate the popularity but it is a nightmare to follow and search.

Could the admin (or the original author) start a new thread on participating manufacturers and warranties and others. Please make it sticky with no updates.

On a side note, does anyone know how Hyundai and Kia stands with selling and warranty? I know the savings are not as big as the more expensive brand but there still are some.

Thanks

[xriddle]

Some info I haven't seen in the forum regarding the Quebec area.

First off, to my knowledge, the borders in Quebec DO NOT accept a fax 72 hours before exporting. I called the Lacolle / Champlain and the St-Philipsburg / crossings and they both told me they require the original title + 2 copies and a copy of the bill of sale. I was at Lacolle this morning and as I was walking in a fax was coming in from someone trying to import a vehicle and the customs clerk started laughing and said some thing along the lines of "Look another dumbass trying to send a fax ... they don't understand we don't do faxes" He took the fax of the title and tossed it in the trash. Besides that he was really nice, my copies were kind of crappy so he said he would make new ones. Their PCs were down so he filled the paperwork manually. I think he made a mistake, he wrote I can pick up the vehicle on August 15th which is not 72 hours but 48. So maybe i'll be able to get it earlier. If all goes well I'll have my 2007 IS 250 AWD (not new 3000 miles on it) on Wednesday or Thursday. For those wanting to go to Lacolle, don't make the same mistake I made. No need to actually cross US customs to get to the export office. Its actually right before the border crossing on the right side. There is a little 15x15 square building. I crossed and the customs officer guided me around.

Also does anyone know if after the RIV inspection Quebec requires a provincial inspection. I haven't been able to get a clear answer on this but some people have told me I may have to do that also.

Hope this tidbit of info helps.

Update ... Went to Lacolle to bring in my Lexus today.... 48 hours after bringing the Originals in and had no problems at all. Export was quick and Import was easy also. They didnt ask me for my recall letter. Hope I dont have problems.

[Rehan]

Hi,

This thread is way too long to peruse through to find information. It is nice to have such a big thread to indicate the popularity but it is a nightmare to follow and search.

Could the admin (or the original author) start a new thread on participating manufacturers and warranties and others. Please make it sticky with no updates.

On a side note, does anyone know how Hyundai and Kia stands with selling and warranty? I know the savings are not as big as the more expensive brand but there still are some.

Thanks I started a new thread about that here: http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=477905

Right now some of the info is outdated (because I collected it back in 2004), but I'll update it later today when I get a chance.

[thegradas]

You may also try Johnson Insurance... they will do it
http://www.johnson.ca/


Then what's stopping you from shopping around and look for another insurance company.

Hint: RBC insurance is a good start, they do insure out of province and US vehicle, and it usually 20% cheaper to insure compare to other cough Bel-Air cough.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Update ... Went to Lacolle to bring in my Lexus today.... They didnt ask me for my recall letter. Hope I dont have problems.

The recall letter is only required to get the Form 2 inspection paperwork. Without it, there will be no formal inspection.

RIV will need the letter. No one else really cares about it. The formal registry process won't happen without it. Even if you pay the $200 RIV fee, you won't get Form 2. This information is clearly laid out on the RIV.ca site: http://www.riv.ca/english/html/recall_clearance.html

Canada Customs couldn't care less if you register the car or not, they only collect taxes based on the purchase price.

On a side note, if the import process fails, you won't get a GST or RIV refund.

I've heard stories where people got provincial licensing without a federal inspection. The clock is ticking for those folks. Provincial licensing has no bearing on the Transport Canada approval. They will be getting letters after the initial 45 day period asking for proof of inspection and conformity.

The regulations state you have 45 days to have your vehicle conform to Canadian standards or you must return the car to the US or have it destroyed in the presence of a sanctioned official. In some instances, RIV will grant you an extension.

[uncle_odb]

There is a back to the title, just have the dealership fax it to you. The buyer's order will work; however, SoA wouldn't send me the letter until they received confrimation from the dealership that the car was now transfered into my name. It only took two days to work it all out.

No worries ODB,

I notice you are from BC so here is some other info that may help. I didn't actually need the letter of recall to get into Canada. I thought I would, but the customs agent told me I just had to fax it to the RIV in order to get my inspection form from the RIV. I did fax it in to the RIV, but in the meantime I went to my local ICBC broker to see about insurance and I was told I could insure the vehicle right away with only my filled out form 1 (which I received at the border), the bill of sale and the title. No inspection, no further forms and more importantly no waiting.

So only two days after arriving in Canada the vehicle is insured and on the road.

Wow, really? Thanks for the info. I'm still floored that you are able to insure the vehicle without the inspection. I gotta look into this. :D

[Monsieurmaggot]

Wow, really? Thanks for the info. I'm still floored that you are able to insure the vehicle without the inspection. I gotta look into this. :D

Even though the vehicle was successfully plated in BC, the federal import process for Agedashi hasn't been formally completed.

Unless Form2 is completed and the car passes the federal inspection, you're not home free. I don't want to alarm Agedashi but unless you found a major loophole, you have 45-days to complete the inspection.

The only way to circumvent the process would be to import the car without paying the RIV fee (and not involve them). I can't believe that can be done.

You don't want people believing that just because the car is licensed the process is completed.

If you stumbled on a loophole, cool.

Personally I can't believe you did.

[alysomji]

Tried to compile everything I've read on this forum and other forums with respect to American vehicle importing into one complete guide:

Thread (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=477998)

[uncle_odb]

Even though the vehicle was successfully plated in BC, the federal import process for Agedashi hasn't been formally completed.

Unless Form2 is completed and the car passes the federal inspection, you're not home free. I don't want to alarm Agedashi but unless you found a major loophole, you have 45-days to complete the inspection.

The only way to circumvent the process would be to import the car without paying the RIV fee (and not involve them). I can't believe that can be done.

You don't want people believing that just because the car is licensed the process is completed.

If you stumbled on a loophole, cool.

Personally I can't believe you did.

Yes I agree! The federal inspection is still manditory. I'd hate to have my vehicle destroyed after 45 days!

[crasher]

How does a Canadian insurance company provide insurance for a vehicle with US temporary tags? I called my insurance company DirectProtect Group and the broker was clueless on how to handle the import process. They said they would call me back as it had to go to the "underwriters" for evaluation.

If you are in Ontario, your existing insurance covers new purchase for 14 days, regardless, where you buy it.

[KillaB]

Ok, so I finally have a deal in the works for my dream Toyota in the Southern US.

I have a stupid question to ask....can I walk across a boarder?
My girlfriends family has a cottage in Fort Erie and I was thinking of leaving my current car there and flying out of Buffalo. So can I taxi it to the border, cross, then taxi it to the airport??

The dollar is really taking a pounding, but I really don't want to wait and take a chance not getting a Toyota.

[crasher]

Ok, so I finally have a deal in the works for my dream Toyota in the Southern US.

I have a stupid question to ask....can I walk across a boarder?
My girlfriends family has a cottage in Fort Erie and I was thinking of leaving my current car there and flying out of Buffalo. So can I taxi it to the border, cross, then taxi it to the airport??

The dollar is really taking a pounding, but I really don't want to wait and take a chance not getting a Toyota.

Yes, I had walked across once, via Rainbow bridge:D
Congrats!!! for your dream truck.

[Rehan]

Ok, so I finally have a deal in the works for my dream Toyota in the Southern US.

I have a stupid question to ask....can I walk across a boarder?
My girlfriends family has a cottage in Fort Erie and I was thinking of leaving my current car there and flying out of Buffalo. So can I taxi it to the border, cross, then taxi it to the airport?? Or you could just take a Greyhound bus... it's under $10 from Fort Erie to Buffalo.

[LoDown]

Tried to compile everything I've read on this forum and other forums with respect to American vehicle importing into one complete guide:

Thread (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=477998)

One word. Fan-tas-tic!!! Ok, maybe 3. One small point on Duty. To be Duty exempt, vehicles must have sufficient "North American content" - that is, parts/components made in North America. I'm not sure of the percentage needed to comply. Believe most cars made in NA meet the content rule but some may not. So, if your NA made car draws Duty, you'll know why.

[KillaB]

Yes, I had walked across once, via Rainbow bridge:D
Congrats!!! for your dream truck.

Or you could just take a Greyhound bus... it's under $10 from Fort Erie to Buffalo.

Good deal, thanks guys!
I haven't put down a deposit yet, but it's looking promising. I'll let you all know how it goes.

[scouzi]

I called to Desjardins (a Quebec bank/insurance co) and was told what i have to provide them with my plate #, before they can insure the car :(.

- Does someone know a broker in Montreal who could sell the insurance based only on VIN?

I used Meloche but I pretty much had to buy and insure the car for good with them.

Try to call another agent as this is not an everyday request.

They are paranoid in Quebec because a lot of stolen cars are imported there from Ontario and the US.This is based on stats.

[johnsa]

I have confirmed that a car from Nissan must be registered originally in the US and remain there for 6 mths to be valid outside the US....It is in the warrantyu book if you read it carefully.

[diigii]

What I posted during that week we were all talking about Nissan. The car has to be registered in the US and transfer of ownership within the first six months it is sold to its original owner.

This warranty is generally transferable to the original 'owner other than a Nissan dealer' (OWNER) to subsequent owners of the vehicle at any time ownership of the vehicle is transferred, without any action on your part; except that this warranty is not transferable but is instead void if during the first six months after delivery to the original OWNER: (1) ownership of the vehicle is transferred from the original OWNER, and (2) the vehicle is registered outside of the United States.

I have confirmed that a car from Nissan must be registered originally in the US and remain there for 6 mths to be valid outside the US....It is in the warrantyu book if you read it carefully.

[hhnyy]

I have confirmed that a car from Nissan must be registered originally in the US and remain there for 6 mths to be valid outside the US....It is in the warrantyu book if you read it carefully.

Are you certain about this?? If it is...I can forget about importing a car from US...

Last time I read the online 2007 pdf from Nissan regarding the warranty.. it states...as long as you don't transfer the ownership of car within 6 months...the warrenty should still be good even if you import it either from Canada to US or vice versa..

I've also asked somone from dealership here in Toronto...they also said the warranty should be good

[Monsieurmaggot]

Tried to compile everything I've read on this forum and other forums with respect to American vehicle importing into one complete guide:

Thread (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=477998)


Excellent work alysomji.

I would add that as of the end of March, there are "gas guzzler" surcharges are now applicable to any vehicle purchase - regardless of whether it's bought in the US or not.

If you buy a big V8 vehicle, you can pay up to $4000 in extra "green levy" fees. The dealers in Canada do a very good job of not mentioning that since it's out of their control (and fear losing the sale).

http://www.riv.ca/english/07.03_New_Green_Levy.pdf

[oasis221]

Hi,

I have been working with a dealership in PA and was about to purchase but am now getting the following response from them.

We are running into a problem with the state of PA with the title issue. They need proof of residence as well as a PA drivers license to approve your paper work for the car.

In PA is it a requirement to have the vehicle titled if it is a new car purchase?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[spdztr]

I've been searching around to get a good price on a Hyundai Santa Fe, and today I called one of the Fitzmall locations. The guy on the phone told me that they have been advised by their regional rep that they should not be selling cars to Canadians, as the rebates do not apply, and they are "not set up for it". This dealership is in Maryland, so I didn't waste too much time arguing since I have two other dealers in Buffalo who are more than willing to sell me cars. It's just a shame because the prices on fitzmall.com are a lot less than other quotes I've gotten (even with the fact that their prices include $500 Hyundai financing incentive).

[Kamloops]

Why are so many people here so stuck on buying new from a dealer there are many great deals in the USA on a car that is 1 or 2 years old. And the savings are even more.

[spdztr]

Why are so many people here so stuck on buying new from a dealer there are many great deals in the USA on a car that is 1 or 2 years old. And the savings are even more.

For the same reason that you'd buy new in Canada vs. used. There is still a sense of security in buying a new car and having a full warranty, and not having to deal with a potentially sleazy used car salesmam. I agree that sometimes the savings are worth it, but I justify it by looking at used cars here, and adding only a couple more thousand to buy a brand new car in the states.

[johnsa]

Are you certain about this?? If it is...I can forget about importing a car from US...

Last time I read the online 2007 pdf from Nissan regarding the warranty.. it states...as long as you don't transfer the ownership of car within 6 months...the warrenty should still be good even if you import it either from Canada to US or vice versa..

I've also asked somone from dealership here in Toronto...they also said the warranty should be good

Unfortunately, the paragraph ABOVE that of the PDF doc on the Nissanusa.com site and my 2007 warranty book state that the warranty is valid when the car was originally sold by a US Nissan dealer and REGISTERED IN THE US.

Then the next paragraph states that if the vehicle changes ownership in the first 6 mths AND the car leaves the US, the warranty is void.

Can't get much clearer than that.

[Kamloops]

For the same reason that you'd buy new in Canada vs. used. There is still a sense of security in buying a new car and having a full warranty, and not having to deal with a potentially sleazy used car salesmam. I agree that sometimes the savings are worth it, but I justify it by looking at used cars here, and adding only a couple more thousand to buy a brand new car in the states.

Makes sense, I did not realize a new car was only a couple of K more, but if you are buying a new car where the warranty is not covered in Canada I would prefer to buy a used from in a private sale. I would not even consider buying used from a dealer in the USA.

[kellan165]

Unfortunately, the paragraph ABOVE that of the PDF doc on the Nissanusa.com site and my 2007 warranty book state that the warranty is valid when the car was originally sold by a US Nissan dealer and REGISTERED IN THE US.

Then the next paragraph states that if the vehicle changes ownership in the first 6 mths AND the car leaves the US, the warranty is void.

Can't get much clearer than that.

Hmmm, I'm confused. A few of us in this forum (including myself) phoned Nissan USA a few weeks ago and they said the warranty is valid on a NEW vehicle as long as it is not sold within the first 6 months. I made sure I got the person's name and reference number for the phone call. It would be nice to know one way or another. Personally, I am still going ahead with my Nissan purchase as the amount I am saving is substantial enough to cover any warranty work if required.

[diigii]

Hmmm, I'm confused. A few of us in this forum (including myself) phoned Nissan USA a few weeks ago and they said the warranty is valid on a NEW vehicle as long as it is not sold within the first 6 months. I made sure I got the person's name and reference number for the phone call. It would be nice to know one way or another. Personally, I am still going ahead with my Nissan purchase as the amount I am saving is substantial enough to cover any warranty work if required.

Yes, we all did. But since last week, Nissan started issuing orders to the US dealer network not to sell new cars to Canadians. I personally was told by Dorschel Nissan they are forbidden to sell to me, as much as they want to. Then last Monday, my dealer contact in Chicago told me too that "head office" said that the Altimas have some emission restriction problem that prohibits them from selling to me and being brought to Canada. I thought that was so lame of an excuse.

I'll post my opinions why Nissan USA and Nissan Canada should wake up and get their acts together shortly.

[zappel]

I have just imported a Subaru Tribeca 2008 into BC. I thought I would share my experience and let the forum know what a huge saving this has turned out to be. I dealt with Joe Spitz at Carter Subaru (www.cars101.com) It was an absolute pleasure to buy a car and not haggle and negotiate a "best price", Joe gives you the best deal available by far, trust me I did my homework.
The process has been described many times in this forum, but I will add that it was far easier than I expected. Joe sent all the documents and instructions to me and it was as easy as filling in my name and faxing off the documents to the US Border agency. This had to be done 72 hours before importing the vehicle. I organized an 11 day insurance binder from ICBC to cover me for the drive back to Canada. On the day I drove the vehicle back, it took me 5min to get the title deed stamped at the US side. Crossing over to Canada I told the custom agent I was importing the vihicle, He filled out a small white form and sent me over to the office. The process of filling out the Form 1 and paying the $216 Fee and the GST took about 30 min. I drove home and parked the car for 5 days untill I received the Form 2 from RIV Canada. The same process took my sister 2 days. She was importing a 2008 Acura RDX. I organized a one day permit to drive to Candian Tire to get the Inspection. This cost $12. It took 45 min and then off to ICBC to insure the vehicle and pay the GST. This was as easy as it gets. The most inconvenient part of this process was getting down to Seattle the day before I drove the vehicle back to Canada.
I figured I saved close to $17 000 dollars. I also lucked out with the exchange and paid $1.05 for a US Dollar. I would highly recommend that if you are looking for a Subaru you give Joe a call, he is professional, delivers exactly as promised and doesn't try and sell you anything you do not want or need.
I hope this helps anyone who is wondering if it is worth the effort to import a vehicle. In my opinion there is very little effort and well worth the small inconvenience.

[chadw01]

I have just imported a Subaru Tribeca 2008 into BC. I thought I would share my experience and let the forum know what a huge saving this has turned out to be. I dealt with Joe Spitz at Carter Subaru (www.cars101.com) It was an absolute pleasure to buy a car and not haggle and negotiate a "best price", Joe gives you the best deal available by far, trust me I did my homework.
The process has been described many times in this forum, but I will add that it was far easier than I expected. Joe sent all the documents and instructions to me and it was as easy as filling in my name and faxing off the documents to the US Border agency. This had to be done 72 hours before importing the vehicle. I organized an 11 day insurance binder from ICBC to cover me for the drive back to Canada. On the day I drove the vehicle back, it took me 5min to get the title deed stamped at the US side. Crossing over to Canada I told the custom agent I was importing the vihicle, He filled out a small white form and sent me over to the office. The process of filling out the Form 1 and paying the $216 Fee and the GST took about 30 min. I drove home and parked the car for 5 days untill I received the Form 2 from RIV Canada. The same process took my sister 2 days. She was importing a 2008 Acura RDX. I organized a one day permit to drive to Candian Tire to get the Inspection. This cost $12. It took 45 min and then off to ICBC to insure the vehicle and pay the GST. This was as easy as it gets. The most inconvenient part of this process was getting down to Seattle the day before I drove the vehicle back to Canada.
I figured I saved close to $17 000 dollars. I also lucked out with the exchange and paid $1.05 for a US Dollar. I would highly recommend that if you are looking for a Subaru you give Joe a call, he is professional, delivers exactly as promised and doesn't try and sell you anything you do not want or need.
I hope this helps anyone who is wondering if it is worth the effort to import a vehicle. In my opinion there is very little effort and well worth the small inconvenience.

Congrats on your purchase - couple of things.. unless you were buying mandatory parts for the compliance, the inspection at CT should have been included with the RIV fee you paid (not sure why you paid $12); also I don't believe you have to wait very long for Form 2 if you give RIV a call and ask for it 1 or 2 days after you've imported.. just like perhaps your sister did.

Anyways, once again another satisfied Subaru importer.. I wish we could see more stories like this for the other car manufacturers.

[diigii]

Here it is! My gripes with Nissan USA and Nissan Canada. These are just my personal opinions.

- Nissan Canada does not have a manufacturing plant in Canada. All their North American-built cars are all "imported" from the USA and Mexico. Nissan models built in the US are Altima, Maxima, Quest and Titan. Sentras are manufactured in Mexico. So they can't claim that NAFTA has not given them economic benefit: the free flow of goods without import duties being slapped on their North American supply chain

- Nissan, as a whole, was near bankruptcy in the 1990's because of poor management and uninspired styling. But there were people who bought these cars and have been loyal to them despite the circumstance. Why risk alienating these few people who have been loyal? Renault SA or Carlos Ghosn did not save Nissan. It was the people who bought their cars who saved Nissan. Even if Renault or Ghosn came up with the cash and management savy, respectively, to save Nissan from bankruptcy, it would've never mattered if they didn't sold any cars or trucks.

- Law of supply and demand. Demand for Nissan cars is not that great. Last time I checked, Nissan is trailing Toyota's and Honda's runaway lead and been left to suck their dust. But there were people who liked Nissans. Why not take advantage of this rare US-CAD dollar parity trend to build market share. Subaru is taking advantage of it somewhat.

- Restricting cross-border sales does not guarantee that buyers will give up their pursuits. Sure, some people will relent. But there will be a bigger portion of these buyers who will either switch to other brands that are flexible in sales and warranty (I'm in that category right now). Others will just stay away and buy used. Whether that sale is from a Nissan dealership or private sale, we will never know. So why let the sale and eventual profit go to some other place?

- Separate territories for exclusive jurisdiction? Isn't NAFTA's purpose is to eliminate auto tarrifs? Their generic sales statement to the public can be interpreted to restricting prices. "Pricing for Nissan and Infiniti products offered in Canada is based on Nissan Canada's assessment of the appropriate competitive value relationship that we need to achieve with our vehicles, in order to meet our business expectations in Canada." In theory, their claim to exclusive jurisdiction to distribution is akin to anti-trust.

Lastly, the internet is a great research tool. The internet generation is a smart-shopper generation. Putting up territorial barriers will not prevent cross border shoppers. There will always be US dealers willing to defy orders because every sale helps pay the bills and salaries of their staff. Nissan Canada, did you hear that? The savings will cover for warranty costs. Ooops! Why do you have so many cars in your Canadian dealer lots?

Nissan Canada, your salespeople are arrogant! Do they think they're the only brand out there? I've been inside a few dealerships here in the GTA and I don't exist. "I'm outta here! And with my business!"

There! So long, Nissan. I'm taking the next turn to Subaru's lot. Don't go back in the loss column again.

[KillaB]

There! So long, Nissan. I'm taking the next turn to Subaru's lot. Don't go back in the loss column again.

I truly understand your grief in importing something other than a Subaru, but why are people settling on Subies? Get what you want, no matter what it takes.

[shopper-X]

I went to the SGI (Saskatchewan Government Insurance) office today and they said that when I import a NEW car from the US (or buy one in Canada) you get a New Vehicle Information Sheet (NVIS). It includes the Make, Model, # of Doors, Engine size, etc.

Any one know what an NVIS is?
**EDIT**
I asked if it was the window information sheet and they said no.

[fulrach]

I truly understand your grief in importing something other than a Subaru, but why are people settling on Subies? Get what you want, no matter what it takes.

I just wanted to say I test drove a Subaru Legacy GT Limited today... unfortunately the only one the Mississauga dealership had in stock was the 2006 model but I'm sure the drive is about the same... that thing is frackin awesome! Now just waiting on Karl to send me a quote on it... Maybe Subaru's ARE the way to go? Anyone have any negative thoughts on them? I've only heard positive so far... :)

I've been to 2 Infiniti dealerships in the GTA so far in the past week and no one ever approached me to ask if I needed any help, even after I stood by the (empty) reception desk for about 10 minutes.

What I 'wanted' was a G35, now what I 'want' is a 2008 Legacy GT Limited

[svem]

Hi,

A family member of mine has been looking into getting a 7 passenger Minivan/Crossover SUV type vehicle and I've been trying to convince him to look into finding one in the U.S. and get a great deal.

Some cars that seem to fit the bill are the Dodge Caravan, Toyota Sienna, Honda Odyssey, Hyundai VeraCruz, Hyundai Sante FE, and Mazda CX-9. I personally really like the Vera Cruz and CX-9 and would love to find a great deal on one of them somewhere in the States (don't we all?).

Has anyone here had any experience in purchasing one of these vehicles or something similar and found a good dealer in the States? If so, could you share some info on that dealer and how to see what he has available? Also, I think I've read that New Hampshire has no sales tax at all, correct? Is there some other State closer to Toronto where there is minimal to no sales tax on the purchase of the vehicle?

Thanks!

[Rehan]

Also, I think I've read that New Hampshire has no sales tax at all, correct? Is there some other State closer to Toronto where there is minimal to no sales tax on the purchase of the vehicle? NH is the closest to Toronto, and NY has 4% state tax (Edit: oops... I didn't realize there's local tax on top of that, for a combined total of at least 7%). But I think there have been others that have written in this thread that they didn't pay tax when buying the vehicle in NY.

According to CarsDirect.com, you can get a Veracruz GLS AWD for about US$27000 (CA$28600) including destination charge... that certainly beats the Canadian MSRP+dest of $41590 (that doesn't take into account some of the deals Canadian Hyundai dealers are offering... but I'm sure the US price is far better anyway).

spdztr above mentioned he found a couple of dealers in Buffalo willing to sell to Canadians...you could PM him for more info if he doesn't notice your post.

[grumps]

Sorry, I've read about 100 or so pages in this thread on and off over the last couple months, but I don't remember seeing anything about Minis. They are quite a bit cheaper in the states, but does the BMW warranty on them transfer to Canada? And are there any dealers down there willing to sell to us? Anyone know?

[Raikkonen]

This may help some of you.

They sell Acura, Honda, Porsche, Audi, Mazda, Mercedes, BMW, Land Rover

http://www.johnholtz.com/locations.asp?map=5


Last November I purchased a new Acura MDX from Rochester, New York (ninety minutes from Niagara Falls Ontario), from the Sales Manager, Mr. Mark Gonsenhauser. contact

He can set you up with any of these makes of vehicles.

Acura
201 East Linden Avenue
East Rochester, NY 14445
(585) 385-5544
(585) 385-1063 fax
Sales: 9-8 Mon-Thu
9-6 Fri
9-5 Sat



Pricing was exceptional.

Mark is about 55 years old, knows the business, great guy to talk with, will have all the papers prepared promptly (even directly faxed material to the bridge without me asking!).... a super guy.

Feel free to tell him that the Canadian doctor in Burlington referred you, but also please respect his time. If you are a serious buyer, you will be picking up a new vehicle from one of their dealerships very soon, at a price that can't be beat (in surrounding states, we checked).

Good luck to all!!

:)

[spdztr]

spdztr above mentioned he found a couple of dealers in Buffalo willing to sell to Canadians...you could PM him for more info if he doesn't notice your post.


I've been working with Towne Hyundai in Buffalo for the last week, and last night we finalized our deal for a 2007 Hyundai Santa Fe Limited AWD. Now I just have to do the paperwork, and we should be picking up the car by the end of next week! Can't wait! Total savings on the SF will be around $6-7,000 (compared to what I could get it for here). I was able to get $900 below invoice (as listed on Edmunds) plus the $1000 rebate. So basically $1900 below invoice.
If you're looking for the space of a minivan, I wouldn't bother looking at the 7 passenger Santa Fe.. it's waaay too small to fit anything back there, except maybe small kids. The Veracruz is slightly bigger, but I'd probably opt for the minivan if space is an issue.

PM me and I can give you the salesperson's information if you're interested. I'm also working with her to import a Hyundai Azere for my in-laws. Even though it's not made in the states, and will be subject to the 6% duty, it will still save them a few thousand dollars.

By the way, I spoke to two different Fitzmall dealers, and they both said that they could not sell to me. I told them outright that they're losing a lot of customers that way, because all the border states are more than happy to sell to us!

Hopefully by next weekend I'll be able to share my successful import story!

[Monsieurmaggot]

I just wanted to say I test drove a Subaru Legacy GT Limited today... Anyone have any negative thoughts on them? I've only heard positive so far... :)

Since I keep my cars for 10 years and drive them into the ground, I did a LOT of research before I committed to my purchase.

I started this thread in July 2006 after I'd been shopping around for a few months. I ended up buying at the end of March almost a full year of research, tire kicking and more research.

I was surprised to read that Subarus have among the best value retention of "mid-range" cars. Those who own them swear by them. JD Powers and Consumer reports give them a "strong recommendation". What really surprised me is when I was speaking to my insurance company. Thanks to their high safety rating (Subaru had three out of 10 cars in the Insurance Institute top crash safety results), insurance for the Subaru was less than any other similar vehicle I compared it to.

That should give you something to consider but to answer your question, there are a couple of oddities with Subaru that I don't like.

They have a huge reliance on "gadgets" like outside temperature readings, and auto-dimming mirrors but they lack obvious things like chimes when you activate your parking brake, an internal trunk release (there's one on the key fob) isn't present on the wagon. The internal lighting is dismal. There's no foot well lights, no lights in the globe box and if you have the panoramic moonroof, the sole entry light ends up above the rear passenger. There is a puddle light on the door but it lights the ground not the interior. There are lights above the rear-view mirror, they are on switches and should come on when you open the door. (Some folks say they've corrected this on the 2008s. There's a prop. rod to keep the hood up.

Technically, the only drawback I can say is that the Subaru is a bit thirstier than two-wheel drive vehicles since it's driving four wheels all the time. If you compare a similarly equipped vehicle (AWD or 4-wheel drive) the fuel consumption is about the same. The six has more power than you'll ever need and with a five-speed, you can easily pass the speed limit if you're not careful.

One last thing, when I was shopping around one of the sales guys put a bottle of water on the running engine. With the boxer engine, there's hardly any vibration. When the car is idling, you don't know the engine is running.

[brendonp]

Sorry, I've read about 100 or so pages in this thread on and off over the last couple months, but I don't remember seeing anything about Minis. They are quite a bit cheaper in the states, but does the BMW warranty on them transfer to Canada? And are there any dealers down there willing to sell to us? Anyone know?

You can search for "Mini" (I have a couple of posts about one) in this thread. To summarize:

1) Policy is to not sell "new" Minis/BMWs but you could probably get a dealer demo.
2) Warranty is transferable, but you lose free servicing/inspection (not a big eal in my mind, since it's usually just 2 oil changes & 1 inspection I).
3) Extended warranties (CPO) are not transferrable
4) Be prepared to spend an extra $500 to get a recall clearance letter from BMW Canada. As of June (or July?) BMW NA has started to refuse to provide a recall clearance letter and BMW CA has told RIV not to accept the clearance unless it's stamped by BMW CA. I'm still trying to work around this, but it sounds like most people just pay the extra $500.
5) Flipping the LCDs to metric (speed/mileage/temp/etc - not required, but nice to have) cost me ~$50 CAD at a Mini dealer - if you have a good relationship with a dealer you may be able to avoid a charge. I have two other vehicles with the same dealer (not Minis!) and I still couldn't convince them to waive the fee (it takes about 60 seconds to do)!
6) Flipping on the DRLs (required) cost ~$50 at the Mini dealer - all parts of #5 applies!

We bought an '05 Chili Red / White Cooper S with 25k kms fully loaded (Sports/Premium/ Cold Weather/LSD/Interior upgrades/etc) except NAV for 19k US. It's possible to grab 06s for roughly the same price, but with few options or higher mileage (at least from what I could see). Note that these are just about the lowest prices - you can certainly find dealers/people selling them for $30k US+. 05s & 06s seem to generally hover around 25k US with low mileage and full options. The "best" deal that I could see would be to get a JCW packaged Mini or a Cooper S Convertible - at least in terms of the difference between US & CA pricing....

good luck!

Brendon

[zappel]

Congrats on your purchase - couple of things.. unless you were buying mandatory parts for the compliance, the inspection at CT should have been included with the RIV fee you paid (not sure why you paid $12); also I don't believe you have to wait very long for Form 2 if you give RIV a call and ask for it 1 or 2 days after you've imported.. just like perhaps your sister did.

Anyways, once again another satisfied Subaru importer.. I wish we could see more stories like this for the other car manufacturers.
In BC we need a mandatory Safety Inspection as well so that was $ 123.12 at Canadian Tire. The Form 2 Inspection was included in the $216 I paid RIV. The $12 was what I paid ICBC to get the 1 Day permit to get my vehicle to and from Canadian Tire. My sister got charged $56 for the same thing. If you have the inspection done withing the 11 days that you are covered from the Insurance Binder taken to drive the vehicle back, you should only pay the $12 for the permit.

[scrumhalf]

It's amazing how the fees charged for the provincial test in B.C. and the insurance charges change from case to case, day to day.

My story -- a work colleague and I both bought new Subaru Outbacks in Washington State on the same day. Identical, except for the colour.

When the time came for our tests, we took them to two seperate Canadian Tires. Because I was stil within the 10 days of my insurance binder, my ICBC agent filled out the one-day trip permit for free.
My colleague, at a different ICBC insurance agent, was charged the one day trip fee - it could have been $12 or $18.

When I was tested at Canadian Tire, I paid $118 for the Provincial test.
When my colleague was tested at at Canadian Rire -- he paid $98.

Same test, same car, same day, two different branches of Canadian Tire.

I asked why, because I was tested later and knew how much he paid. I was told the mechanics hourly wage is different from Canadian Tire to Canadian Tire for the provincial test.

Of course you can be provincially tested at a lot of different locations, so the price you pay will vary considerably. Its just that it seemed convenient to have both federal test and provincial test done at the same time and when it comes to federal Canadian Tire is it.

[j0yb0y]

The RIV document says that a dealer can provide that information

In some cases, we will also accept a printout from an authorized American dealer. If you obtain a printout from an American dealer, you must ensure that they are an authorized dealer and not a re-seller. You can confirm this by calling the head office of the manufacturer and providing them with the location of the dealership in question

If the printout is from an authorized American dealership, the company stamp must be affixed to the printout. In either case, the 17 digit Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) of the vehicle in question must be included in the letter.

If your vehicle does not have any outstanding recalls then the letter should say "this vehicle has no outstanding recalls." This letter must be presented to the RIV department prior to your Vehicle Inspection Form being released.


I think I have that printout - importing a 2004 Cooper S with 35k miles on it for $US17k - needs new tires... (before all fees) - so I hope that's good enough. I'll find out on monday.



I contacted BMW USA - the rep I spoke to said that I should contact BMW Canada, since they've changed their policy.



He's left the US and is now in Germany (with the armed forces)!
...
While the letter is mandatory, the fee is disproportionate to the service rendered - we're talking about 30 seconds of work. I hadn't considered trying to find an "alternate" method to deal with RIV "sneaking", but I understand your viewpoint. I'm just not sure why anyone wouldn't investigate the alternatives.... I spoke with the local Mini advisor who was almost apologetic about the fee - especially since she had just charged me $150 to hook the car up to a computer and switch on the DRL and change all the LCDs to read out metric information.

Thanks for everyone's comments!

[Lax5]

It's amazing how the fees charged for the provincial test in B.C. and the insurance charges change from case to case, day to day.

My story -- a work colleague and I both bought new Subaru Outbacks in Washington State on the same day. Identical, except for the colour.

When the time came for our tests, we took them to two seperate Canadian Tires. Because I was stil within the 10 days of my insurance binder, my ICBC agent filled out the one-day trip permit for free.
My colleague, at a different ICBC insurance agent, was charged the one day trip fee - it could have been $12 or $18.

When I was tested at Canadian Tire, I paid $118 for the Provincial test.
When my colleague was tested at at Canadian Rire -- he paid $98.

Same test, same car, same day, two different branches of Canadian Tire.

I asked why, because I was tested later and knew how much he paid. I was told the mechanics hourly wage is different from Canadian Tire to Canadian Tire for the provincial test.

Of course you can be provincially tested at a lot of different locations, so the price you pay will vary considerably. Its just that it seemed convenient to have both federal test and provincial test done at the same time and when it comes to federal Canadian Tire is it.

When I brought my truck to Canadian Tire for the inspection they just did the mandatory RIV test and no Provincial test. There was talk of having to do one, but it was decided that because it was a new vehicle it was not necessary. Go figure!

[brendonp]

The RIV document says that a dealer can provide that information

I think I have that printout - importing a 2004 Cooper S with 35k miles on it for $US17k - needs new tires... (before all fees) - so I hope that's good enough. I'll find out on monday.

Post back with your results; so far everyone I've contacted recently has coughed up the $500. I'd love to avoid it if possible...

Brendon

[tjuzer]

Okay can anyone tell me if this deal worth it if I'm in edmonton?

[Luckster]

Okay can anyone tell me if this deal worth it if I'm in edmonton?

I'm from Edmonton and I saved over $12,000 on a new Subaru Outback.

[can2000]

That is BS I got 3 brand new toyotas for family this month without paying any taxes in US. All you have to do is look (keep looking)for dealer. I even posted the dealer in this thread, who sell to Canadians. There are lots of them ;)

Hi Crasher, how is the warranty transfer things? Interested in a RAV4 or Sienna.

Thanks!

[bionicbadger]

Okay can anyone tell me if this deal worth it if I'm in edmonton?

Yep, I just drove back after flying down to Seattle on Friday to pick up a 2008 Tribeca. Saved over $15500 even after the flight and gas home.

[Luckster]

Yep, I just drove back after flying down to Seattle on Friday to pick up a 2008 Tribeca. Saved over $15500 even after the flight and gas home.

Just a little advice, take your Tribeca to Freedom Ford for the RIV inspections, don't waste your time with Crappy tire. Also for registration, I did it at Riverbend registry, got no hassle from them. GL

[Kvach]

It could be a silly idea but I wonder if it is absolutely necessary for a US dealer to know if I am a Canadian or not. As a buyer, am I required to reveal my nationality?

[Kvach]

But since last week, Nissan started issuing orders to the US dealer network not to sell new cars to Canadians. I personally was told by Dorschel Nissan they are forbidden to sell to me, as much as they want to.

The more I think about it the less sense it makes to me. A vendor should not be able to refuse a sale to a person based on the fact that he/she is a resident of another country. There is no such law that allows for it. As long as a customer agrees to pay the advertised price in local currency, and there is no trade restrictions between the two countries, there can't be any reason to refuse to sell. Isn't it a kind of consumer's rights violation, and therefore illegal?

[Kamloops]

Just a little advice, take your Tribeca to Freedom Ford for the RIV inspections, don't waste your time with Crappy tire. Also for registration, I did it at Riverbend registry, got no hassle from them. GL

RIV has to be done at crappy tire they have the contact with RIV

[sphinxx]

The more I think about it the less sense it makes to me. A vendor should not be able to refuse a sale to a person based on the fact that he/she is a resident of another country. There is no such law that allows for it. As long as a customer agrees to pay the advertised price in local currency, and there is no trade restrictions between the two countries, there can't be any reason to refuse to sell. Isn't it a kind of consumer's rights violation, and therefore illegal?


You're right...I'm not a lawyer, but that looks like a strong case.
I think this is just a tactic (with no legal basis) to discourage people ...cdn dealer probably started to b*tch about it. I think anything under a free trade agreement is fair game for consumers, and we should be able to buy whereever we want.

spx

[sphinxx]

LOOKING FOR 2007 Tribeca sp. edition 7 psger
OR
AUDI A6 (2006 or 2007) ?

Any help would be appreciated.

thx

spx

[hotshu]

RIV has to be done at crappy tire they have the contact with RIV

Perhaps that's true in Kamloops, but I think there are other options depending on the size of the city. In Vancouver, the RIV inspection can be done at a few shops other than CT. I chose the other option both times I've imported a car from the USA, & I couldnt be happier. Look at the list for your city that RIV states are authorized RIV inspection shops.

[shopper-X]

LOOKING FOR 2007 Tribeca sp. edition 7 psger
OR
AUDI A6 (2006 or 2007) ?

Any help would be appreciated.

thx

spx

There are a lot of 2007 7-passenger Tribeca's w/NAV left in the North-West US. With the current $2,750 rebate and dealers willing to let them go, it's a great bargain.

[bionicbadger]

RIV has to be done at crappy tire they have the contact with RIV
not true there are a bunch of places you can go instead.
Here is the list:
http://www.riv.ca/english/Independent-Inspection-Centres.pdf

[crasher]

Hi Crasher, how is the warranty transfer things? Interested in a RAV4 or Sienna.

Thanks!

No problems with the warranty, Infact my Camry was with dealer for 3 days for repairs within first week, now its transmission is acting up, it only have 1500 miles. Whereas no problem with both Siennas.

[Monsieurmaggot]

The more I think about it the less sense it makes to me. A vendor should not be able to refuse a sale to a person based on the fact that he/she is a resident of another country. There is no such law that allows for it. As long as a customer agrees to pay the advertised price in local currency, and there is no trade restrictions between the two countries, there can't be any reason to refuse to sell. Isn't it a kind of consumer's rights violation, and therefore illegal?

I can tell you this is quite annoying. I am assisting a family member to seek out a new Lexus. We've tried dealers all along the Great Lakes regions.

They all say the same thing - they won't sell to Canadians. One motivated Subaru dealer offered to do a dealer trade for me for a small finders fee. Unfortunately his attempts were stopped by his General Manager.

Since these actions were successfully challenged in US courts (www.naata.org) and specifically outlined the "free trade agreement" even though there's another country's laws involved, I would imagine that a precedent has been set. It would be just a matter of finding a law firm who'd be willing to challenge this in Canadian court.

What's quite startling is that Toyota and their affiliates were named in the class action suit AND LOST! Now it appears the Canadian subsidiary is up to the same thing!

[DSTU]

LOOKING FOR 2007 Tribeca sp. edition 7 psger
OR
AUDI A6 (2006 or 2007) ?

Any help would be appreciated.

thx

spx

Tell what you've done to search!

[scouzi]

LOOKING FOR 2007 Tribeca sp. edition 7 psger
OR
AUDI A6 (2006 or 2007) ?

Any help would be appreciated.

thx

spx


I was looking for the Special Edition in May and they were hard to find. I had a black one lined up only to find out at the last moment that the chrome wheels had beed swapped. You can buy the chrome mesh grille on Ebay.

You may have some luck here:

www.sne1.com

This is Subaru dealer stock in 5 New England states.

[diigii]

If your insurance company or broker does NOT want to provide coverage based on their OWN manual, even if the Ontario Automobile Policy provides you with the privilege, what is your recourse?? Are there any other insurance companies willing to provide coverage?

[CCT2]

No problems with the warranty, Infact my Camry was with dealer for 3 days for repairs within first week, now its transmission is acting up, it only have 1500 miles. Whereas no problem with both Siennas.

How did you transfer your warranty? Is it an automatical thing as long as you have the bill of sales? Or did you got an actual TOYOTA warranty certificate from the dealer when you purchased your car? Do you need to show the warranty certificate when you bring your car to a Canadian TOYOTA dealer for repair? Or you just show them the bill of sales?

[spdztr]

You wired the money to them before taking possession of the vehicle? I guess as long as you trust the dealership, and then there's always a papertrail.. I would be weary though - would rather take a draft and declare it at the border when I head down.

On the other hand, it might give you some leverage to ensure the dealer you are serious about buying - although I think they also ask for a deposit on your credit card ($500-1000), don't they?


Ok guys, so I'm in the process of perparations for my new car, and now I'm at the part where I need to get the money ready. What are the best rates people have been getting in the last few days? I think I would prefer to just bring a bank draft or certified cheque with me instead of wiring the money, as I don't feel comfortable sending money ahead of time. Is there anything special that you have to do at the border when you're going down, other than stating your intentions to the customs officer?

[maks]

Definitely avoid wiring money. Certified Cheque or other type of money that you can carry in your hand is much safer imo. You wouldn't want to wire money, then find out there's something wrong with the car when you get there...

At the border, I take it you notified US Customs that you will be exporting a vehicle right?

[michelb]

Ok guys, so I'm in the process of perparations for my new car, and now I'm at the part where I need to get the money ready. What are the best rates people have been getting in the last few days? I think I would prefer to just bring a bank draft or certified cheque with me instead of wiring the money, as I don't feel comfortable sending money ahead of time. Is there anything special that you have to do at the border when you're going down, other than stating your intentions to the customs officer?

I just used my TD borderless rate because it was less hassle and almost as good (I think it was off by 0.005) but I believe the best rate is at www.xe.com (just search for the thread for exchange rate and you'll probably get tons of info. If you are flying with a bank draft or money order remember that you MUST declare it at customs if it's more than $10k - if you don't and they find it, it could probably get seized. It's arguable if you need to declare it when you cross if you wired the money over (I told them and they said it's all good and let me through but by his reaction I think they might be required to do something even in that case but the guard didn't feel like going through the paperwork).

--- update

As far as the last comment, I believe several of us (myself included) did wire the funds - obviously you have to be comfortable with the dealership but I confirmed with them prior that they would refund my payment in full if the vehicle wasn't as expected and was okay with that.

[spdztr]

Definitely avoid wiring money. Certified Cheque or other type of money that you can carry in your hand is much safer imo. You wouldn't want to wire money, then find out there's something wrong with the car when you get there...

At the border, I take it you notified US Customs that you will be exporting a vehicle right?

Thanks, that's what I was thinking too. I have some US cash that I'll use, and then certified cheque for the rest.

As for notifying US Customs, the salesrep should be sending the paperwork today. I'm planning on going down on Friday to pick up the car. Do I actually have to go into the customs office, or is this something that I would just mention when driving through?

[spdztr]

I just used my TD borderless rate because it was less hassle and almost as good (I think it was off by 0.005) but I believe the best rate is at www.xe.com (just search for the thread for exchange rate and you'll probably get tons of info. If you are flying with a bank draft or money order remember that you MUST declare it at customs if it's more than $10k - if you don't and they find it, it could probably get seized. It's arguable if you need to declare it when you cross if you wired the money over (I told them and they said it's all good and let me through but by his reaction I think they might be required to do something even in that case but the guard didn't feel like going through the paperwork).

I've searched the thread and found the xe.com link, but that's only good if you're wiring the money, right? If I want a bank draft or certified cheque, I have to actually go to a bank, correct? All my money is with TD, so I'll probably use them to avoid hassle.

[michelb]

I've searched the thread and found the xe.com link, but that's only good if you're wiring the money, right? If I want a bank draft or certified cheque, I have to actually go to a bank, correct? All my money is with TD, so I'll probably use them to avoid hassle.

If you don't have a 'Borderless' account with TD, I believe there rate is quite high - you might even want to open an account just to do the exchange. Looking quickly at their website, it's 1.0791 for regular, 1.0725 for borderless but if you do online exchange with Borderless account, you get 1.0671.

If anyone reading this has a xe.com account, can you quickly check the 'buy' rate to compare and post here (make sure it's the buy rate as I'm not sure if they post the 'exchange rate' and then take a % for buy / sell or if they post there actual 'buy rate' and 'sell rate') (the rates I'm getting with TD are 1.0489 / 1.0671)

[spdztr]

If you don't have a 'Borderless' account with TD, I believe there rate is quite high - you might even want to open an account just to do the exchange. Looking quickly at their website, it's 1.0791 for regular, 1.0725 for borderless but if you do online exchange with Borderless account, you get 1.0671.

If anyone reading this has a xe.com account, can you quickly check the 'buy' rate to compare and post here (make sure it's the buy rate as I'm not sure if they post the 'exchange rate' and then take a % for buy / sell or if they post there actual 'buy rate' and 'sell rate') (the rates I'm getting with TD are 1.0489 / 1.0671)

I do have a US borderless account at TD. So I guess I'll transfer all the CAN money online into the US account, and then I'll go into a branch and get a draft or certified cheque. Thanks, I would have never known that!
(Rate now is 1.0673)

[james-007]

How did you transfer your warranty? Is it an automatical thing as long as you have the bill of sales? Or did you got an actual TOYOTA warranty certificate from the dealer when you purchased your car? Do you need to show the warranty certificate when you bring your car to a Canadian TOYOTA dealer for repair? Or you just show them the bill of sales?

You don't need to do anything, for warranty work just take your vehicle to a Toyota dealer ask them to fix whatever needs fixing. Just inform them that the vehicle was purchased from States because their paperwork changes slightly cause they have to bill Toyota US.

[Soaring]

If anyone reading this has a xe.com account, can you quickly check the 'buy' rate to compare and post here (make sure it's the buy rate as I'm not sure if they post the 'exchange rate' and then take a % for buy / sell or if they post there actual 'buy rate' and 'sell rate') (the rates I'm getting with TD are 1.0489 / 1.0671)

I have an account with xe.com. I used their services to purchase my new Subaru in May.
Once you log in and setup a basic trade they post their actual buy rate. There is no additional charge for electronic funds transfer.
XE current buy rate is 1.06948 (today at 11:45 EDT)

[Kamloops]

I have an account with xe.com. I used their services to purchase my new Subaru in May.
Once you log in and setup a basic trade they post their actual buy rate. There is no additional charge for electronic funds transfer.
XE current buy rate is 1.06948 (today at 11:45 EDT)

I have an account setup there but how to I see the buy rate? Have not been able to figure that out?

[michelb]

If you don't have a 'Borderless' account with TD, I believe there rate is quite high - you might even want to open an account just to do the exchange. Looking quickly at their website, it's 1.0791 for regular, 1.0725 for borderless but if you do online exchange with Borderless account, you get 1.0671.

If anyone reading this has a xe.com account, can you quickly check the 'buy' rate to compare and post here (make sure it's the buy rate as I'm not sure if they post the 'exchange rate' and then take a % for buy / sell or if they post there actual 'buy rate' and 'sell rate') (the rates I'm getting with TD are 1.0489 / 1.0671)

I have an account with xe.com. I used their services to purchase my new Subaru in May.
Once you log in and setup a basic trade they post their actual buy rate. There is no additional charge for electronic funds transfer.
XE current buy rate is 1.06948 (today at 11:45 EDT)

Thanks for the update so for anyone curious, it looks like XE beats TDs online borderless rate by about 0.25% (or 0.0025 less on the buy rate). In real terms, if you are trading in $25k CND, you'll get 23375.85US with XE and 23370.38 with TD.

(for me it wasn't enough to justify the extra 'hassle' (not really much hassle as others with attest) to go through XE however if you don't have a 'borderless' (or equivalent) account, it's much more significant and probably worth it. At the 'regular posted TD' rate, you'd get 23161.01US for $25k CND.)

[bionicbadger]

Thanks for the update so for anyone curious, it looks like XE beats TDs online borderless rate by about 0.25% (or 0.0025 less on the buy rate). In real terms, if you are trading in $25k CND, you'll get 23375.85US with XE and 23370.38 with TD.

(for me it wasn't enough to justify the extra 'hassle' (not really much hassle as others with attest) to go through XE however if you don't have a 'borderless' (or equivalent) account, it's much more significant and probably worth it. At the 'regular posted TD' rate, you'd get 23161.01US for $25k CND.)

Though TD will charge you $50+ for wiring over $10K, whereas xe is a flat rate of $12 for any amount.

[whampoa]

As for notifying US Customs, the salesrep should be sending the paperwork today. I'm planning on going down on Friday to pick up the car. Do I actually have to go into the customs office, or is this something that I would just mention when driving through?

No you don't have to go into the custom office, you just have to declare it at the booth if you're bringing anything 10K and over.

As some already mentioned, they can seize your bank draft if they search and find it in you, and you failed to declare it.

Also, on your way back to the Canadian custom, if they find out that you failed to declare the cheque amount on your way to the US, somehow their systems is link in regard to monetary transaction.

You better have alot to explain about.

[spdztr]

No you don't have to go into the custom office, you just have to declare it at the booth if you're bringing anything 10K and over.

As some already mentioned, they can seize your bank draft if they search and find it in you, and you failed to declare it.

Also, on your way back to the Canadian custom, if they find out that you failed to declare the cheque amount on your way to the US, somehow their systems is link in regard to monetary transaction.

You better have alot to explain about.

I plan on declaring the cheque!


Though TD will charge you $50+ for wiring over $10K, whereas xe is a flat rate of $12 for any amount.

TD charges $10 for a certified cheque or $6.50 for a bank draft, so it's much cheaper to go this route.

[5136440]

Thanks for the update so for anyone curious, it looks like XE beats TDs online borderless rate by about 0.25% (or 0.0025 less on the buy rate). In real terms, if you are trading in $25k CND, you'll get 23375.85US with XE and 23370.38 with TD.

(for me it wasn't enough to justify the extra 'hassle' (not really much hassle as others with attest) to go through XE however if you don't have a 'borderless' (or equivalent) account, it's much more significant and probably worth it. At the 'regular posted TD' rate, you'd get 23161.01US for $25k CND.)


If you guys want to exchange a minimum of US$25,000, then Scoitabank's rate is set at 1.0650 for today but you have to have both CAD and US accounts with them (takes 10 minutes to open). The cash price is much higher (1.075). I have no experience with other banks or exchanges however, US$25,000 seems to be a critical amount. Well, maybe you can give it a try on your own bank but getting a quote on US$25K. Good luck.

[Monsieurmaggot]

There's some misconception here about money transfers and electronic fund transfers that need to be clarified.

I will give you some insight that I personally went through.

First of all, XE.com does not charge you for an EFT. You pay if you want it done the same day. I went with the no-charge solution. My EFT took three days to move over. During this time, the money didn't come out of my account. The money only came out the day the money changed accounts.

Secondly, there is a small hassle to set up an XE account but once it's done. It's permanent. There's no maintenance fees and no charge to keep it open.

XE works on a simple basis. You transfer money from one of your bank accounts to another. In my case I registered a Canadian CIBC chequing account as my "from" choice and set up my US CIBC chequing account as my "to" account. On XE I transfer xxx dollars from my Canadian to US account. It's done almost instantly.

I had a bank draft (most banks don't use certified cheques anymore) drawn from my US account.

This was all done on line. I simply showed up at CIBC and paid $6 for a Bank Draft. That was it.

If you make a lot of US visits, then a XE account is the way to go.

XE gives you better rates the more $$$ you trade. For $20,000+ business you should be able to get about .035-.045% above the current Bank of Canada rate. It's less than half a cent per dollar. You can call them to negotiate a permanent "spread" rate.

[michelb]

...




TD charges $10 for a certified cheque or $6.50 for a bank draft, so it's much cheaper to go this route.

Actually I think US money orders are free (same as certified check) if you have borderless account ...

[hotshu]

Actually I think US money orders are free (same as certified check) if you have borderless account ...

This is confirmed correct. I got a US $ bank draft from TD for my car purchase & there were no fees using my borderless account.

As far as best exchange rate, I found in Vancouver that going to "Vancouver Bullion & Currency Exchange" with cash, their rate saved me almost 1% on the conversion to US $ versus TD borderless rate. So $250 saved on $25k. They have 3 locations I am aware of. Downtown, South Granville & Richmond. I dont know if they have a website, but I just phone for the current rate. I went to the Granville location & thereafter walked 1.5 blocks to TD for the bank draft.

[shopper-X]

I went to the SGI (Saskatchewan Government Insurance) office today and they said that when I import a NEW car from the US (or buy one in Canada) you get a New Vehicle Information Sheet (NVIS). It includes the Make, Model, # of Doors, Engine size, etc.

Any one know what an NVIS is?
**EDIT**
I asked if it was the window information sheet and they said no.

I'm answering my question for other SK importers.
The NVIS is the New Vehicle Information Statement and it's just the Certificate of Origin or MSO.

[Van G]

We are looking at buying either a new 08 or used 07 Cadillac SRX.

I noticed in other posts that people mention some states are cheaper than others due to differing levels of 'local afford ability.'

Any suggestions on the best states to look for our Cadillac is appreciated.

[bilzebub]

Hey guys,

For various reasons too boring and stupid to go into here, I am staying overnight in Niagara Falls, NY, which is very very sketchy indeed. The 3.0R Legacy, purchased today from Karl at Van Bortel near Rochester, NY, is simply incredible, and all kudos to monsieurmaggot for getting me started down this road. This car is not available in canada, but it's still an amazing deal.

A couple of practical notes for those coming from the GTA or eastern Ontario:
1. Don't show up at the Lewiston bridge export office after 4 pm! :)
2. Every US export agent in Alexandria north of Watertown will tell you a different story about whether you need to have the original export docs at their crossing 72hrs ahead or not, but apparently one Van Bortel customer, not me (i was chicken), got through just by showing up with them, so there ya go
3. Every Canadian Border Services agent you contact will tell you something different about exporting more than $10,000, but the best adice i got was from an agent who said to just show US customs the bank draft made out to Subaru - they just waved me on.
4. Those wanting winter tires and wheels at the time of purchase could do worse than Dunn tires, who are all over upstate NY and have decent prices - less than 100$ each for alloys isn't bad after all! I was too slow to ask about shipping from Tirerack.com to the US dealer, but anyway tirerack told me they wouldn't have much in stock for about a month. Dunn had lots. I can highly recommend Greg at WestHenrietta Dunn Tires in Rochester - easily the most knowledgeable tire guy i have come across.
5. As Monsieurmaggot said, one of the best things about a 3.0R is that very few will guess at first glance that you could almost keep up with a Legacy GT :) -- its very much under the, er, radar
6. Can't say enough good things about Karl Lindemuth (and by extension Van Bortel Subaru) -- really, really professional, and a good guy!

[Vitulla]

Which border is open on weekends? I live in Quebec, closest to Lacolle border. Are they open on weekends or is Alexandria bay open on weekends to export vehicles?
Thanks

[j0yb0y]

Which border is open on weekends? I live in Quebec, closest to Lacolle border. Are they open on weekends or is Alexandria bay open on weekends to export vehicles?
Thanks

I don't think anything is open on weekends. But then it does say 24/7 below, and the Buffalo one doesn't. I'll check that tomorrow when I check some other questions I have with them.

http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/toolbox/contacts/ports/ny/0712.xml

[Monsieurmaggot]

Which border is open on weekends? I live in Quebec, closest to Lacolle border. Are they open on weekends or is Alexandria bay open on weekends to export vehicles?
Thanks

You can import a car at pretty well any Canadian "port of entry" that is listed on the RIV site, any day 24/7. THE PROBLEM is that US Customs "export ports" only allow the export of cars Monday to Friday only (they must have a union that allows students to work on weekends).

Be sure to check the business hours at both locations. I called a few days before and confirmed their business hours.

For those crossing at Lewiston, I found and easy trick to speak to a US Customs person, hit the "0" button and you will be directed to a real human. Mind you, the person I got was really annoyed and asked "why didn't I listen to the messages? How did you get this extension?". Can't say if it still works though.

[spdztr]

I am buying a 2007 Hyundai Santa Fe and it it does NOT have a Day Time Running Light,

I asked the Hyundai Dealer in NY and he told me they don't install day time running light as it is not required in the US. Where do I get a day time running lights installed.

don't be silly, it doesn't have DRLs because it has projectors, I'm sure they're only halogens, but in anycase, just turn your FOGs on the whole day :).

So has anyone actually successfully got a Santa Fe imported and cleared in Ontario? Is there an issue with DRL on this car?

[nightfly]

So has anyone actually successfully got a Santa Fe imported and cleared in Ontario? Is there an issue with DRL on this car?

I am trying to import this same model (Santa Fe) In BC and would also like to know if it is possible to easily install DRL before I make the purchase.. Anyone ?

[superwell]

I am trying to import this same model (Santa Fe) In BC and would also like to know if it is possible to easily install DRL before I make the purchase.. Anyone ?

you guys can get the kit at CT for this...or worst case at the dealership....they are not hard to install.

[Kamloops]

I am trying to import this same model (Santa Fe) In BC and would also like to know if it is possible to easily install DRL before I make the purchase.. Anyone ?

http://santafemods.com/Mods/DRL.htm

Hyundai Santa Fe DRL Installation
(Daytime Running Lights)

And for more mods go here - http://www.automotiveforums.com/t246231-santa_fe_modifications___install_guides.html

[nightfly]

So has anyone actually successfully got a Santa Fe imported and cleared in Ontario? Is there an issue with DRL on this car?

you guys can get the kit at CT for this...or worst case at the dealership....they are not hard to install.

I called CT and they said they have to look at the vehicle first. (not promising since I would have to purchase it then bring it in)

[nightfly]

http://santafemods.com/Mods/DRL.htm

Hyundai Santa Fe DRL Installation
(Daytime Running Lights)

The instructions above are for pre 2007 model, I am not sure if it is the same for 2007 models. ( has anyone performed this on a 2007US model Sante Fe ?)

[michelb]

Many of you seemed to be overly worried about the DRL - this is not a big deal - some cars already have them, some need a software upgrade to enable, some need a fuse but ANY car can be made to have DRL using a $25 module from CanadianTire (http://www.canadiantire.ca/browse/product_detail.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=140847439 6673462&PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524443278206&bmUID=1187714878666&assortment=primary&fromSearch=true)

This module just splices into a few a few wires and is very easy to install - if CT tells you they need to see the car before they can tell you if they can install it, I'd run to another garage.

[nightfly]

http://santafemods.com/Mods/DRL.htm

Hyundai Santa Fe DRL Installation
(Daytime Running Lights)

And for more mods go here - http://www.automotiveforums.com/t246231-santa_fe_modifications___install_guides.html

Many of you seemed to be overly worried about the DRL - this is not a big deal - some cars already have them, some need a software upgrade to enable, some need a fuse but ANY car can be made to have DRL using a $25 module from CanadianTire (http://www.canadiantire.ca/browse/product_detail.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=140847439 6673462&PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524443278206&bmUID=1187714878666&assortment=primary&fromSearch=true)


This module just splices into a few a few wires and is very easy to install - if CT tells you they need to see the car before they can tell you if they can install it, I'd run to another garage.

I wish this was true, I just spoke to a service manager for Hyundai in Washington. He informed me that there is no part available to him from Canada or US to enable this on the Sante Fe, he also indicated that 3rd party devices have caused the CEL to active in numerous occasions, was very helpful (this is the dealer that was trying to sell me the car)

[spdztr]

I wish this was true, I just spoke to a service manager for Hyundai in Washington. He informed me that there is no part available to him from Canada or US to enable this on the Sante Fe, he also indicated that 3rd party devices have caused the CEL to active in numerous occasions, was very helpful (this is the dealer that was trying to sell me the car)


I just called CT, and they told me that they won't bother with it, and to take it to the dealer. I'm waiting for a call back from the Hyundai dealer in Woodbridge. I hope this isn't a stumbling block to importing the car!

[nightfly]

I just called CT, and they told me that they won't bother with it, and to take it to the dealer. I'm waiting for a call back from the Hyundai dealer in Woodbridge. I hope this isn't a stumbling block to importing the car!


I think this issue just kyboshed my deal, I will probably go with the Tribecca now for a bit more money

[spdztr]

I think this issue just kyboshed my deal, I will probably go with the Tribecca now for a bit more money

I spoke to another Hyundai dealership, and the service guy there said that they don't sell the kit, but they could install it, probably for around $89. He was surprised when I told him that crappy tire wouldn't do it, and said it's a relatively easy job, and I could probably do it myself.

I also just spoke to friend who installs remote starters/alarm systems etc., and he said it's a piece-of-cake job to do - he'll probably do it for me.
Don't let this kill your deal!

edit: Also found this on another site:


The headlamps, however, are separate. You could set something up to turn them on separately from the tail lamps. I encourage you to register for a free account at www.hmaservice.com so you can look at and see the schematics for your vehicle. It'll hopefully help you understand what I'm going to suggest. The site requires Internet Explorer, and you'll probably need Adobe SVG Viewer (free download) to see the schematics.

The headlamps are signalled to be turned on by grounding the blue/black wire that runs from the headlamp switch to the BCM. You could achieve your goal by installing a relay that grounds this circuit whenever the ignition is on. To do this:
1. Wire one side of the relay coil to the red wire in pin three of the ignition switch connector. This will provide power to the relay coil only when the ignition switch is in the "on" position.
2. Wire one side of the relay contacts to the blue/black wire (pin 15 of switch connector) mentioned above.
3. Wire the remaining coil terminal and the remaining contact terminal to ground.

[northeastwind]

Just checked RIV, and found the following cars are INADMISSIBLE:
SEPTEMBER 2007 AND NEWER
FORESTER 2.5X, FORESTER SPORTS
2.5X, FORESTER 2.5X WITH PREMIUM
PACKAGE, FORESTER 2.5X L.L. BEAN

Does SEPTEMBER 2007 mean the manufactured date or imported date?

[ChemicalBoy]

Wanting to look into a new Subaru Outback 2008 Limited 2.5i model or even the base model, where have ppl bought theirs from, if they live in Alberta?

I live in Alberta so would probably like to drive down to Montana or if need be Washington.

How much am I really saving? If its 10grand+ I could see myself doing it but if its less than that, I dont know if I am want to go through all the hassle of it. Since I will probably be getting a loan from bank to get it. At current the prime rate is around 6.25, also anyone have experience in getting loan from bank.

From my calculations if I borrow 30,000 from bank for this new car in 60 months I will end up playing around $6000 extra on the loan.

Anyone with experience, is it really worth doing it?

Thanx

[spdztr]

Wanting to look into a new Subaru Outback 2008 Limited 2.5i model or even the base model, where have ppl bought theirs from, if they live in Alberta?

I live in Alberta so would probably like to drive down to Montana or if need be Washington.

How much am I really saving? If its 10grand+ I could see myself doing it but if its less than that, I dont know if I am want to go through all the hassle of it. Since I will probably be getting a loan from bank to get it. At current the prime rate is around 6.25, also anyone have experience in getting loan from bank.

From my calculations if I borrow 30,000 from bank for this new car in 60 months I will end up playing around $6000 extra on the loan.

Anyone with experience, is it really worth doing it?

Thanx

You can use this website to calculate your costs:
http://www.cars.com/go/advice/financing/calc/loanCalc.jsp

If you put some money down, the amount of interest goes down a lot. It will also depend on how much you're paying every month.

[michelb]

I wish this was true, I just spoke to a service manager for Hyundai in Washington. He informed me that there is no part available to him from Canada or US to enable this on the Sante Fe, he also indicated that 3rd party devices have caused the CEL to active in numerous occasions, was very helpful (this is the dealer that was trying to sell me the car)

I spoke to another Hyundai dealership, and the service guy there said that they don't sell the kit, but they could install it, probably for around $89. He was surprised when I told him that crappy tire wouldn't do it, and said it's a relatively easy job, and I could probably do it myself.

I also just spoke to friend who installs remote starters/alarm systems etc., and he said it's a piece-of-cake job to do - he'll probably do it for me.
Don't let this kill your deal!

edit: Also found this on another site: ...

I don't know anything about the 'CEL' but from looking at the kit, it really looks trivial to install.

If you are worried about the 'CEL' problems, wire up the kit, get the RIV inspection done, remove the kit. (Actually if you are going to do this and your car has fog lights, forget the DRL kit, just bypass the foglight switch and have the foglights turn on when the car is turned on (depending on where the switch is, you can probably just reach under the dash, and disconnect the wires from the switch and connect them together with tape)).

[spdztr]

(Actually if you are going to do this and your car has fog lights, forget the DRL kit, just bypass the foglight switch and have the foglights turn on when the car is turned on (depending on where the switch is, you can probably just reach under the dash, and disconnect the wires from the switch and connect them together with tape)).

Interesting... will have to try this, thanks!

[ChemicalBoy]

You can use this website to calculate your costs:
http://www.cars.com/go/advice/financing/calc/loanCalc.jsp

If you put some money down, the amount of interest goes down a lot. It will also depend on how much you're paying every month.

Thanx, yeah that was more my rough estimate, its around 3 grand if I put downpayment as 3 grand and the car is around 25000.

So anyone have any experience in going down to Butte in MT for a Subaru or somewhere in Montana?

The limited is around 40000 here in alberta if I could get it for 25000 - 26000 which is the invoice price that is still a very good deal.

Anyone with experience?

Thanx

[tico 1948]

:confused: I heard recently that there are some Canadian Financial Institutions that will now make loans for purchasing U.S. vehicles and importing them into Canada. This is only for personal use vehicles, not for resale purposes. Has anyone else out there heard anything similar or do you know which Banks or Credit Unions do make these loans?

[hotshu]

If you are worried about the 'CEL' problems, wire up the kit, get the RIV inspection done, remove the kit. (Actually if you are going to do this and your car has fog lights, forget the DRL kit, just bypass the foglight switch and have the foglights turn on when the car is turned on (depending on where the switch is, you can probably just reach under the dash, and disconnect the wires from the switch and connect them together with tape)).

Yea I wired the fog lites as DRL on my last 2 imported cars. Actually I paid my local independent mechanic $50 to do it. He soldered the bypass wire from the fog switch to a power source. If I wasnt lazy & in a hurry to get the RIV inspection I would have done it myself.

[kellan165]

Thanx, yeah that was more my rough estimate, its around 3 grand if I put downpayment as 3 grand and the car is around 25000.

So anyone have any experience in going down to Butte in MT for a Subaru or somewhere in Montana?

The limited is around 40000 here in alberta if I could get it for 25000 - 26000 which is the invoice price that is still a very good deal.

Anyone with experience?

Thanx

I think there is a Subaru dealer from Kirkland, Washington who is a member in this forum (member name: Eastsidesubaru) and has posted in this thread here:

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5452261#post5452261

I know you are looking for someone in Montana, but I am also from Alberta and am going to pick up a Nissan this weekend in Washington. I'm flying there and will drive the vehicle 13 hours back home to Edmonton.

[diigii]

I know you are looking for someone in Montana, but I am also from Alberta and am going to pick up a Nissan this weekend in Washington. I'm flying there and will drive the vehicle 13 hours back home to Edmonton.

Hahahaha!!!! Washington state or DC?

[j0yb0y]

Post back with your results; so far everyone I've contacted recently has coughed up the $500. I'd love to avoid it if possible...

Brendon

You know when you speak with a telephone representative and they don't answer your direct question? That's the response I got. So I'm going to try and push my case and see how it goes over.

[kellan165]

Hahahaha!!!! Washington state or DC?

Yah like I can drive back in 13 hours from DC to Alberta. :lol: Of course I'm driving back from Seattle, Washington. There is a Subaru sales guy on this board from Kirkland, Washington state which is about a 13 hour drive from where ChemicalBoy lives.

[nswills]

Definitely avoid wiring money. Certified Cheque or other type of money that you can carry in your hand is much safer imo. You wouldn't want to wire money, then find out there's something wrong with the car when you get there...

At the border, I take it you notified US Customs that you will be exporting a vehicle right?

Just wondering what people's experience is with wiring vs bank drafts. I guess the bank draft means waiting in the States for 72 hours, but I would feel more comfortable that way. Has anyone wired the money and had a problem????

[diigii]

Yah like I can drive back in 13 hours from DC to Alberta. :lol: Of course I'm driving back from Seattle, Washington. There is a Subaru sales guy on this board from Kirkland, Washington state which is about a 13 hour drive from where ChemicalBoy lives.


Well, you can if you drive it fast and not get caught by state police or RCMP. :cheesygri

[Monsieurmaggot]

Just wondering what people's experience is with wiring vs bank drafts. I guess the bank draft means waiting in the States for 72 hours, but I would feel more comfortable that way. Has anyone wired the money and had a problem????

I EFT'd a $4000+ deposit to my dealer in Western New York. It took a few days to process. On the third day the money came out of my account and the next morning the dealer confirmed the money was in their account.

I kept the transfer receipts since I suspected I'd be asked for them. And I showed them at the border when I crossed into the US when my car was ready for my inspection.

Since I live about 1.5 hours from the dealer, I made arrangements to inspect the car a week before formal delivery to ensure the accessories I wanted were installed on the car. That was the first time I met the dealer and actually saw the car I was buying. At that point we did 99% of the paperwork and paid for the car in full then using a US bank draft. During the waiting period, the dealer sent in my documents to US Customs and Subaru of America.

The day I picked up my car, I was met at the bus station and drove my new car home from there. I had the recall letter in my hand as well.

[spdztr]

Just wondering what people's experience is with wiring vs bank drafts. I guess the bank draft means waiting in the States for 72 hours, but I would feel more comfortable that way. Has anyone wired the money and had a problem????

Why would you have to wait 72 hours in the states for a bank draft? You can just go to your bank (if that's where you have your money), and get them to give you a draft or certified cheque.

[Luckster]

Wanting to look into a new Subaru Outback 2008 Limited 2.5i model or even the base model, where have ppl bought theirs from, if they live in Alberta?

I live in Alberta so would probably like to drive down to Montana or if need be Washington.

How much am I really saving? If its 10grand+ I could see myself doing it but if its less than that, I dont know if I am want to go through all the hassle of it. Since I will probably be getting a loan from bank to get it. At current the prime rate is around 6.25, also anyone have experience in getting loan from bank.

From my calculations if I borrow 30,000 from bank for this new car in 60 months I will end up playing around $6000 extra on the loan.

Anyone with experience, is it really worth doing it?

Thanx

If you have read the thread, there have been quite a few people from Alberta that have imported Subarus, including myself. From my experience, it was a very easy process and straight forward. I ended up saving about $12,000 on an 2007 Outback. I bought my car from Joe Spitz at Carter Subaru, he is a straigh forward guy and has lots of experience selling to Canadians, he probably sells 2-3 a week to Canadians, alot of members on this thread has bought from him. You can do all your research on this site for a Subaru at www.cars101.com, it is run by Joe, it also includes a step by step guide on importing a subaru to Canada.

[Agedashi]

Wanting to look into a new Subaru Outback 2008 Limited 2.5i model or even the base model, where have ppl bought theirs from, if they live in Alberta?

I live in Alberta so would probably like to drive down to Montana or if need be Washington.

How much am I really saving? If its 10grand+ I could see myself doing it but if its less than that, I dont know if I am want to go through all the hassle of it. Since I will probably be getting a loan from bank to get it. At current the prime rate is around 6.25, also anyone have experience in getting loan from bank.

From my calculations if I borrow 30,000 from bank for this new car in 60 months I will end up playing around $6000 extra on the loan.

Anyone with experience, is it really worth doing it?

Thanx

I just purchased a 2.5i Limited in Seattle and saved around $14k all said and done. I didn't find it a hassle at all so for me even 5 to 10k in savings would have been worth it.

As for the bank loan I guess you need money from somewhere. I'm not sure what rates the dealerships are offering, but I can tell you that you will be paying interest on 10 to 15 thousand less if you buy your Subaru in the States.

[shopper-X]

Why would you have to wait 72 hours in the states for a bank draft? You can just go to your bank (if that's where you have your money), and get them to give you a draft or certified cheque.

They are not waiting 72 hours for the Bank Draft, they are waiting the 72 hours required to process the Bill of Sale by the export office. If you wire the payment down, the dealer or brokerage service can fax the paid Bill of Sale to the border before you get down there and you do not have to wait 72 hour before arriving at the border.
If you pay by bank draft inperson, you have to wait 72 hours before arriving at the border.

[fulrach]

:confused: I heard recently that there are some Canadian Financial Institutions that will now make loans for purchasing U.S. vehicles and importing them into Canada. This is only for personal use vehicles, not for resale purposes. Has anyone else out there heard anything similar or do you know which Banks or Credit Unions do make these loans?


Anyone know about this?

[eastsidesubaru]

Thanx, yeah that was more my rough estimate, its around 3 grand if I put downpayment as 3 grand and the car is around 25000.

So anyone have any experience in going down to Butte in MT for a Subaru or somewhere in Montana?

The limited is around 40000 here in alberta if I could get it for 25000 - 26000 which is the invoice price that is still a very good deal.

Anyone with experience?

Thanx

Hey, give me a call, I can do better than invoice - I'm a straight shooter, no games, good pricing. I'm in Seattle though not Montana but it'll be worth it. :)


Zachary Bridge
Assistant Internet
Eastside Subaru
Kirkland, WA
425-823-3906
You can also talk to Becca if i'm not here.

[crasher]

The dealer faxed my CoO/MSO, without accepting any deposit. I then took certified cheque with me, and drove back, with original MSO.
As I know the dealer now, so this time I did EFT via XE. XE usually takes longer, but have some advantages, like free drafts, EFT. and you can even book the rates in advance, if you think that rates are good now, and convert later when you have money.

[spdztr]

They are not waiting 72 hours for the Bank Draft, they are waiting the 72 hours required to process the Bill of Sale by the export office. If you wire the payment down, the dealer or brokerage service can fax the paid Bill of Sale to the border before you get down there and you do not have to wait 72 hour before arriving at the border.
If you pay by bank draft inperson, you have to wait 72 hours before arriving at the border.

I'm not sure that's the case. The dealer will fax everything down to the border at least 72 hours before you get there. You get the bill of sale and you just bring that with you to customs.

The dealer faxed my CoO/MSO, without accepting any deposit. I then took certified cheque with me, and drove back, with original MSO.
As I know the dealer now, so this time I did EFT via XE. XE usually takes longer, but have some advantages, like free drafts, EFT. and you can even book the rates in advance, if you think that rates are good now, and convert later when you have money.

My dealer also did not take a deposit, and I'll just bring a certified cheque. She confirmed that she sent the docs to the border on Monday, so I'll call them tomorrow or Thursday to confirm.

[eastsidesubaru]

Just checked RIV, and found the following cars are INADMISSIBLE:
SEPTEMBER 2007 AND NEWER
FORESTER 2.5X, FORESTER SPORTS
2.5X, FORESTER 2.5X WITH PREMIUM
PACKAGE, FORESTER 2.5X L.L. BEAN

Does SEPTEMBER 2007 mean the manufactured date or imported date?

After september 2007 production date.
So basically once the 08 foresters show a september 07 production date, the only foresters eligible for import will be the XT and XT sports due to the chipped immobilizer key (the baser foresters don't have it).

[crank71]

Well add me to the list of imports. Just got back with my used 2006 Subaru Tribeca 7 passenger. I conservatively saved $8k-$10K judging from what used ones are going for here in Alberta.
It's in for the OOP inspection and warranty work already. The dealer just called to let me know that they are just waiting on the go ahead from SoA to do the warranty work...WTF I said? I was told and have in writing from SoA that the warranty is transferable...what is with this asking permission crap? Any other Subbie owners experience this? I hope this isn't an indication of things to come with regards to warranty work...maybe it's just the dealer...man I hope not, there are only 2 in Edmonton.

[shopper-X]

Well add me to the list of imports. Just got back with my used 2006 Subaru Tribeca 7 passenger. I conservatively saved $8k-$10K judging from what used ones are going for here in Alberta.
It's in for the OOP inspection and warranty work already. The dealer just called to let me know that they are just waiting on the go ahead from SoA to do the warranty work...WTF I said? I was told and have in writing from SoA that the warranty is transferable...what is with this asking permission crap? Any other Subbie owners experience this? I hope this isn't an indication of things to come with regards to warranty work...maybe it's just the dealer...man I hope not, there are only 2 in Edmonton.

Two in one city...In Saskatchewan there are two period. One in Regina and one in Saskatoon. I hope the Regina one plays friendly.

[G-StaR]

if you buy a used car and it is not made in NA does that mean you still have to pay the duty (6.1%) plus PST and GST? or are you exempted from the duty?

[dheath]

I'm due for a new vehicle and I've been quietly reading this forum for some time now and have decided to take the plunge. If all goes well I should be saving about $15K on the price of a '08 Outback 3.0 LL Bean. I cannot believe the price difference in Canada, why would anyone buy a Subaru in Canada? Wish me luck. I'll post my experience in the next week or so after I take delivery.

Thanks to all the posters for the valuable info and links.

[tjuzer]

Is subaru even good reliability car? What is best car to get reliablity wise? How about look good?

[aznxtambOy]

if you buy a used car and it is not made in NA does that mean you still have to pay the duty (6.1%) plus PST and GST? or are you exempted from the duty?

Nope

[bionicbadger]

.maybe it's just the dealer...man I hope not, there are only 2 in Edmonton.

Which dealer are you using? Rally?

[Monsieurmaggot]

if you buy a used car and it is not made in NA does that mean you still have to pay the duty (6.1%) plus PST and GST? or are you exempted from the duty?

I can't say if vehicles over 15 years old are exempt, but you WILL be paying Duty on ANY vehicle that is not a NAFTA vehicle.

There's no way around this. The government wants their share.

[michelb]

I can't say if vehicles over 15 years old are exempt, but you WILL be paying Duty on ANY vehicle that is not a NAFTA vehicle.

There's no way around this. The government wants their share.

Just to confirm that you need to pay taxes (and duty for non-NAFTA) for any and all vehicles you import into Canada. Cars more than 15 years old are exempt from the RIV program (i.e. don't need to be on admissible list, don't need to make any modifications, etc) but are still taxed and subject to duty.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Is subaru even good reliability car? What is best car to get reliablity wise? How about look good?

One Subaru or another is on the JD Power/Consumer Reports/IIHS lists as either among the safest, reliable or retains it's value.

The 2.5i litre Turbo Boxer engine was named as one of the top engines of 2006 (for those engines between 2.0 and 2.5 litres). BMW engines seem to be the best in most categories.

http://www.ukintpress.com/engineoftheyear/previous04.html

[yayaya]

Has anyone imported a larger SUV (any brand) and had to pay the "Excise Tax on Fuel Inefficient Cars" ?

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/agency/budget/2007/excise-e.html

Or is this something that is ONLY applicable to vehicles purchased in Canada and NOT applicable to vehicles imported into Canada?

............comments please.

[whampoa]

Has anyone imported a larger SUV (any brand) and had to pay the "Excise Tax on Fuel Inefficient Cars" ?

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/agency/budget/2007/excise-e.html

Or is this something that is ONLY applicable to vehicles purchased in Canada and NOT applicable to vehicles imported into Canada?

............comments please.

Do a search on this thread is been discuss a dozen times. And to answer your question, yes, you'll be hit with the excise tax.

On top of that, new vehicles outside of Canada won't qualify for the fuel efficient rebate that the federal government is bragging about.

[kellan165]

Has anyone imported a larger SUV (any brand) and had to pay the "Excise Tax on Fuel Inefficient Cars" ?

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/agency/budget/2007/excise-e.html

Or is this something that is ONLY applicable to vehicles purchased in Canada and NOT applicable to vehicles imported into Canada?

............comments please.


I'm importing a 2008 Nissan Armada within the next week and yes you will be hit with the green levy at the border. Canada Customs will collect the fee when you bring the vehicle across. However, if you purchase a SUV put into service prior to March 2007, it is my understanding that will not have to pay.

[diigii]

After almost two months of research and being a member of this forum, I will be another successful RFD'er. I will be going to Silver Spring, MD to pick up my 2007 car this coming Monday, Aug 27. (I'll leave out the car details and dealer for now till I get the car back here in Canada. I don't want the lurking dealers to phone their corporate head office to rant on the dealer.) The car is fully loaded with some added options built into the car, non-car charges were for the state temporary tag and document processing fees. All for $24,168!! I did not get the $500 rebate, but I did get the amount back somewhat in the form of Internet discount since I negotiated with the dealership through email and finalized the deal with a phone call. No downpayment was requested.

I'd like to thank Monsieurmaggot for starting this thread and giving me helpful tips to make the process even shorter. Not to mention saving $10,250 as of 12pm. Actually, my colleagues here at work would like me to assist them in importing their next cars after I successfully get my car all registered here in Toronto.

Thanks to johnsa for giving me the dealer link as well.

I'd like to thank Karl Lindemuth of Van Bortel Subaru for his honesty and professionalism. I wish all car salespersons are like you. But then again, that's what sets you apart. I appreciated your advice very much when you told me to spend enough time behind the wheel of both cars. I'd like to return the favor by recommending you and Van Bortel Subaru to people who are looking at a new Subaru.

Lastly, I don't know if my rant a few days ago mattered. I'd like to think it did because after I posted that, I got a call from Maryland with an offer and the dealer don't care if there's a don't-sell order because they are a big volume dealer and export cars to other states.

Looking forward to posting my export/import experience here to help other see the light of day!

[ChemicalBoy]

Hey eastsidesubaru,
I will get in touch with you once I secure a loan in canada.

Btw do u know if

Subaru LL Bean Nav system is it compatible in canada?
Would the GPS system work here?

Thanx

[Monsieurmaggot]

Hey eastsidesubaru,
I will get in touch with you once I secure a loan in canada.

Btw do u know if

Subaru LL Bean Nav system is it compatible in canada?
Would the GPS system work here?

Thanx

Yes it will.

From the unit I played with in the US, you can even select Metric/Imperial measurements.

However, IMHO for the money, you're better off with a Garmin or Magellan unit. The Subaru Navigation system is DVD based and unless you want to spend $2000 to be told to change your oil, you'd be better off saving your cash. There are some after-market mods that even let you install after-market systems right into your dash for $1000 less than you'd pay.

[whampoa]

Hey eastsidesubaru,
I will get in touch with you once I secure a loan in canada.

Btw do u know if

Subaru LL Bean Nav system is it compatible in canada?
Would the GPS system work here?

Thanx

Yes, it does work in Canada, make sure you get the update version 2.0 DVD.

You'll have to select the country in the setup menu, US, Canada or Mexico. Otherwise the default country will be in the US.

[uncle_odb]

Hey, give me a call, I can do better than invoice - I'm a straight shooter, no games, good pricing. I'm in Seattle though not Montana but it'll be worth it. :)


Zachary Bridge
Assistant Internet
Eastside Subaru
Kirkland, WA
425-823-3906
You can also talk to Becca if i'm not here.


Hi All,

I just wanted to chime in here. I just bought an 08 Tribeca through Zach and Becca at Eastside Subaru. Zach is definitely a straight shooter, no doubt about that. I had originally wanted to deal with Joe Spitz at Carter Subaru, but it's just so hard to get a hold of him b/c he's with customers or on the phone. When I do speak to him over the phone, he's awesome and knowledgeable. But he's so busy, so for me, I felt it was hard to get that extra little help and attention. Zach and Becca at Eastside Subaru helped me out and even beat Joe's excellent price. So as an alternative, Zach and Becca at Eastside Subaru is an excellent alternative. Don't get me wrong, Joe Spitz is awesome, and I definitely don't want to take anything away from him. Just my 2 cents.

p.s. Zach, i'll be waiting for my retractable luggage cover in the mail. Apparently it's on backorder?

Andy

[eastsidesubaru]

Thanks for the kind words Andy! Your check's in the mail ;) with the luggage cover. Soon as it arrives.

BTW as to the nav question: All the Tribeca's I've checked have had Canada on them by default without doing anything, as well as some POIs.. whether it's super detailed, I don't know, your mileage may vary.

[shopper-X]

Hey, give me a call, I can do better than invoice - I'm a straight shooter, no games, good pricing. I'm in Seattle though not Montana but it'll be worth it. :)


Zachary Bridge
Assistant Internet
Eastside Subaru
Kirkland, WA
425-823-3906
You can also talk to Becca if i'm not here.

Have to agree with Andy, Zach is very quick and helpfull. I was looking for an 2007 Tribeca and even though he could not find me the one I wanted, Zach was extremely helpfull and quick to respond to any and all question.

If you're looking around the WA area give him a call atleast to see if they can beat the price.

[bkushner]

Anyone looking into bringing up a g35? Or has experience doing it?

[eastsidesubaru]

Anyone looking into bringing up a g35? Or has experience doing it?

I know the two infiniti dealerships here in WA (Kirkland Infiniti and Tacoma Infiniti) are both owned by the same guy... and so they don't really make deals (they have no competition in the state!)... Believe me I tried to help a friend who wanted a g35 and could not get them to go more than $500 below MSRP! :mad:

[5136440]

Any idea how much TFFC(Tax for Fuel Conservation) will be for a 2008 Tribeca? Seems like it's only in Ontario. http://www.rev.gov.on.ca/english/taxes/tffc/formpub.html
I can't find any tribeca (06-08)on the list.

[Kamloops]

Has anyone imported a larger SUV (any brand) and had to pay the "Excise Tax on Fuel Inefficient Cars" ?

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/agency/budget/2007/excise-e.html

Or is this something that is ONLY applicable to vehicles purchased in Canada and NOT applicable to vehicles imported into Canada?

............comments please.

I just imported a 2004 Dodge Durango with Hemi, no Excise tax, but after a certain date you will get dinged mine was too old

[ecgz88]

I know the two infiniti dealerships here in WA (Kirkland Infiniti and Tacoma Infiniti) are both owned by the same guy... and so they don't really make deals (they have no competition in the state!)... Believe me I tried to help a friend who wanted a g35 and could not get them to go more than $500 below MSRP! :mad:

maybe buy one in CA and ship back , no more than $1000 :D

[stock_junkie]

and I received this interesting reply. This internet sales manager actually reveals a penalty system in place for selling to Canadians! I smell a lawsuit!!

Thank you for your interest in the Camry hybrid models available through Sparks Toyota. We take the opportunity to earn your business seriously and I will work hard to make certain your experience is friendly and professional.

Unfortunately, when a dealer sells a new, untitled vehicle to a Canadian resident for immediate registration in Canada the dealer is penalized by Toyota two for one. This means that our available inventory will not be replenished by the car we sell to the Canadian resident plus we will have one additional Camry hybrid less. So next month if we were slated to get 25 Camry hybrids we would only get 23.

If you have the ability to register the Camry in the United States before you import the car to Canada, I can help you.

If I can help in any way, please feel free to contact me directly.

Thanks again,


William Jordan
Sparks Toyota - Scion
E-Commerce Sales Manager
843-236-2161 -- Office
800-968-9644 -- Toll-free
843-446-9724 -- Cellular
www.sparkstoyota.com

[Monsieurmaggot]

Holy mackerel almost 500,000 reads and 4000 replies.

This thread must be popular don't you think?

Looks like we'll break that barrier later today or tomorrow.

Thanks to everyone who participates.:cheesygri

[ziploc]

and I received this interesting reply. This internet sales manager actually reveals a penalty system in place for selling to Canadians! I smell a lawsuit!!

Thank you for your interest in the Camry hybrid models available through Sparks Toyota. We take the opportunity to earn your business seriously and I will work hard to make certain your experience is friendly and professional.

Unfortunately, when a dealer sells a new, untitled vehicle to a Canadian resident for immediate registration in Canada the dealer is penalized by Toyota two for one. This means that our available inventory will not be replenished by the car we sell to the Canadian resident plus we will have one additional Camry hybrid less. So next month if we were slated to get 25 Camry hybrids we would only get 23.

If you have the ability to register the Camry in the United States before you import the car to Canada, I can help you.

If I can help in any way, please feel free to contact me directly.

Thanks again,


William Jordan
Sparks Toyota - Scion
E-Commerce Sales Manager
843-236-2161 -- Office
800-968-9644 -- Toll-free
843-446-9724 -- Cellular
www.sparkstoyota.com

I'm not sure about the lawsuit because according to this Toyota US doesn't forbide the dealers to sell those cars to Canadians they just panalise them if they do....then the persons who looses in this case is the dealership himself then he is the victim...

But on another hand...if a dealership refuse to sell a car to a Canadian on the sole reason because You are a Canadian or even non us citizen they can be sued for sure.....
it's like a restaurant or hotel will refuse You because you are an alien citizen..but then does American law protects the alien citizens in the same way as they own ???

[ziploc]

Holy mackerel almost 500,000 reads and 4000 replies.

This thread must be popular don't you think?

Looks like we'll break that barrier later today or tomorrow.

Thanks to everyone who participates.:cheesygri

It's a great informative thread...thx for sharing

[whampoa]

I'm not sure about the lawsuit because according to this Toyota US doesn't forbide the dealers to sell those cars to Canadians they just panalise them if they do....then the persons who looses in this case is the dealership himself then he is the victim...

Anyways you see it, panalise is also a form of trade barrier between the parties.

What we need is some lawyers, south of the 49th parallel, with backbone to stand up against this type of trade collusion among the big automakers.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Any idea how much TFFC(Tax for Fuel Conservation) will be for a 2008 Tribeca? Seems like it's only in Ontario. http://www.rev.gov.on.ca/english/taxes/tffc/formpub.html
I can't find any tribeca (06-08)on the list.

I haven't heard anyone paying TFFC yet. From what I understand, only the vehicles that are subject to a credit or tax charge appear on the list. This is small potatoes compared to the new federal tax imposed at the end of March.

All new vehicles are subject to a new federal "gas guzzler" tax regardless where you buy it.

Here's the breakdown of taxation on a new vehicle:

* At least 13 but less than 14 litres per 100 km: $1,000
* At last 14, but less than 15 litres per 100 km: $2,000
* At least 15 but less than 16 litres per 100 km: $3,000
* 16 or more litres per 100 km: $4,000

Unless you buy a big block vehicle, most are exempt of the tax. None of the Subarus (which have AWD and many with six cylinders) are exempt. I bought my car at the end of March and was told it was exempt (Subaru 3.0 litre, six, AWD)

This list of taxable gas guzzlers can be found at this link:

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/agency/budget/2007/excise-e.html#q6

Got to hand it to the federal government. They always come up with creative ideas to screw you over. They drop 1% off the GST and add a new tax.

[RRKnight]

Anyways you see it, panalise is also a form of trade barrier between the parties.

What we need is some lawyers, south of the 49th parallel, with backbone to stand up against this type of trade collusion among the big automakers.

I think everyone should pitch in some $$ to this thread to get a lawyer and end this non-sense once and for all. If there are 500,000 readers, $1 per reader, that's $500,000 towards lawyer fees. :D

[johnsa]

I have a friend looking a a Nissan Titan..he will do a carfax report but I have heard they are not really any good...are there any other services that one can use to do a search on a US vehicle??

[spdztr]

Just thought I'd let others know that the exchange rate today is very good, and if you're picking up a car this week or next, it may be a good time to jump the gun. Using TD Borderless online exchange, I got 1USD = 1.0591CAN. It's now 1.0612, bus still an amazing rate. It may be slightly less on XE.com.

[Van G]

edmunds.com is a good source for auto reviews

[ziploc]

Anyways you see it, panalise is also a form of trade barrier between the parties.

What we need is some lawyers, south of the 49th parallel, with backbone to stand up against this type of trade collusion among the big automakers.

i never said otherwise...but You need a victim to complain, you can't do it in his place.....

and i doubt that you will find a dealer which wants to sue his brandmaker for few sells that he might or might not do to Canadians.....

and if the dealer refuses to sell to You...You become a victim and can sue the dealer....on your own....no lawsuit here....
I'm pretty sure You would win...but it will cost fortune in lawyer fees and take forever....

[michelb]

There are tons of posts suggesting there should be a class-action suit of some kind but I honestly don't think you'll get anything out of it:

1) the only people that make any money in large lawsuits are the lawyers
2) who are you going to sue? The manufacturers? Technically, they don't prevent the sale, they just discourage it (probably not enough to sue them though and as someone else mentioned, if you wanted to sue them for imposing restrictions on vehicle allocation for export, it would probably have to be done by the plaintiff (e.g. dealerships) and not us)). The dealerships themselves - not going to get anywhere there especially if you need to sue 1000s of them individually - in any case you probably don't have a case, there is nothing that forces them to sell to anyone as long as they aren't doing it because of discrimination (i.e. won't sell because you're colored, a women, religious belief, etc).
3) even if you did manage to successfully sue a manufacturer and force them to sell to Canadians, you'd probably end up losing anyway (e.g. if you manage to sue Toyota to force them to sell, they'd probably turn around and just revoke the warranty from being valid in Canada (and you can't sue them for that; there is absolutely nothing to prevent them from only offering a valid warranty in the US).

[scouzi]

There are tons of posts suggesting there should be a class-action suit of some kind but I honestly don't think you'll get anything out of it:

1) the only people that make any money in large lawsuits are the lawyers
2) who are you going to sue? The manufacturers? Technically, they don't prevent the sale, they just discourage it (probably not enough to sue them though and as someone else mentioned, if you wanted to sue them for imposing restrictions on vehicle allocation for export, it would probably have to be done by the plaintiff (e.g. dealerships) and not us)). The dealerships themselves - not going to get anywhere there especially if you need to sue 1000s of them individually - in any case you probably don't have a case, there is nothing that forces them to sell to anyone as long as they aren't doing it because of discrimination (i.e. won't sell because you're colored, a women, religious belief, etc).
3) even if you did manage to successfully sue a manufacturer and force them to sell to Canadians, you'd probably end up losing anyway (e.g. if you manage to sue Toyota to force them to sell, they'd probably turn around and just revoke the warranty from being valid in Canada (and you can't sue them for that; there is absolutely nothing to prevent them from only offering a valid warranty in the US).


Technically, they do prevent the sale. It's in their contract. They even admit it.

But some manufacturers encourage it under the table (like Subaru) to gain market share.

If Toyota prevents me from buying in the US thinking i will be steered to my local Toyota dealer, they are wrong. Because of their attitude, it's no Toyota at all for me (Canada or US). No Mazda, Audi , Acura, Chrysler either.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Because of their attitude, it's no Toyota at all for me (Canada or US).


You're absolutely right. The manufacturers can charge what they want or prohibit sales to Canadians but if I were to compare many models across various manufacturers, we'd find many cars are almost the same so the only determining factor is price. A Mazdaspeed6 is virtually identical to a Legacy GTSpecB (no need to debate this) but with only one manufacturer permitting cross-border sales, the deal is pretty well one sided. In less than a heartbeat, I'd buy a Subaru in the US and save $20,000+ dollars. At that point, there really isn't a comparison.

There seems to be a "narrowmindedness" on some of the manufacturers' Canadian subsidiaries where they actually believe their marketing. "You deserve" brand X. Anything else would just mean I would have to "settle" for second best. Subaru told me last year they market cars in Canada to a more upscale demographic. I guess that's their way of saying they can't compete with Honda/Toyota/Mazda.

[Kamloops]

Warning for Car Shoppers on Ebay.

Be very carefull when shopping Ebay for cars.
People will steal Ids' and then setup a fake auction.

In that listing they will insert some Java code that changes the listing. When you click on the buy it now it will take you to a login page that looks just like Ebay but is not. You enter your ID and Password, it will fail logging in but now the scammers have your id and password and they steal your Ebay Account.

Here is an example http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Nissan-Titan-LE-FFV-Crew-Cab-4x4-Nav-DVD-Warrty_W0QQitemZ300144191389

You will notice it changes from a bid to a buy it now, watch it refreash. Then click buy it now and it will ask for id and password (DONT ENTER YOUR ID AND PASSWORD). You will alos see in the address it is now even on Ebay site anymore.
I have reported this any many others to ebay but they never remove them. They need to stop allowing Java to be inserted into listings.

Just be very carefull.

[hagbard]

Story of what happened to a newpaper editor and his reporter after they published a story on this topic:

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=481415

Allegedly, a large car dealer and advertiser didn't take kindly to having the his potential customers going to the States to buy their cars, called the publisher, and suggested these people be fired. They were.

So much for journalistic integrity.

[diigii]

Story of what happened to a newpaper editor and his reporter after they published a story on this topic:

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=481415

Allegedly, a large car dealer and advertiser didn't take kindly to having the his potential customers going to the States to buy their cars, called the publisher, and suggested these people be fired. They were.

So much for journalistic integrity.

If that dealer is here in Toronto, I would never buy a car from him. EVER! And as for that newspaper, I would stop buying or reading it, or cancel my subscription. Journalism should not be biased. But for this media company, they just showed it to the public that they can be bought with advertising dollars. The editor should be fired, not the reporter.

[perfchris]

If that dealer is here in Toronto, I would never buy a car from him. EVER! And as for that newspaper, I would stop buying or reading it, or cancel my subscription. Journalism should not be biased. But for this media company, they just showed it to the public that they can be bought with advertising dollars. The editor should be fired, not the reporter.

Now you know why car shows such as driving tv (global) have shed a dark light on the process of importing a vehicle into Canada. They depend on Canadian Auto manufacturers to supply them with the vehicles they test. They also get flown all over the world to attend the inauguration of a new model, all on the manufacturer's expense account.

Most of these car journalists are not as impartial as they would like to be....

Furthermore, most of these car shows have long term test fleet that is supplied to them free of charge by the auto manufacturer !

As a matter of fact driving tv has a minivan supplied by Chrysler to shoot their on-road shots.

Car shows and their journalists independent...... I think NOT !

[bionicbadger]

i found this interesting (it was at the the bottom of the actual article in question):
Industry Canada estimates that Canadians purchased more than 112,000 cars from the U.S. in 2006.

Thats a whole lot of imports

[hagbard]

If that dealer is here in Toronto, I would never buy a car from him. EVER! And as for that newspaper, I would stop buying or reading it, or cancel my subscription. Journalism should not be biased. But for this media company, they just showed it to the public that they can be bought with advertising dollars. The editor should be fired, not the reporter.

Not sure why the editor was fired, he's an innocent victim in this.

[diigii]

I'll be another statistic for 2007. Just don't know what will be my number on the lineup. :cheesygrin

tsk tsk tsk!!! If only dealers tried to compete with their prices, they would've keep those numbers. Instead, they are numbers they won't get back anymore. Oh such wishful thinking on their part!

i found this interesting (it was at the the bottom of the actual article in question):


Thats a whole lot of imports

[kevin01]

so does acura sell used cars to Canadians....? and how would the warranty work on their used cars if they do sell to canadians?

[Rehan]

Hmm... I wonder where the label "stealerships" comes from.

[Rehan]

so does acura sell used cars to Canadians....? and how would the warranty work on their used cars if they do sell to canadians? Yeah, the dealers will probably sell you either a new or used car. But you'd get no warranty in either case... See Acura/Honda at http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=477905 for the details.

[tico 1948]

I was talking to my Brother the other night. He told me that many people living in the Iroquois to Brockville,Ontario corridor are importing new autos from the U.S. When will the Canadian Dealers learn? Maybe when it gets to the point when their sales drop off to practically nil. He also mentioned that Capital One Credit Card offers auto loans. Has anyone used Capital One to purchase a U.S. auto? I have a 2004 F-150 that goes back off-lease in Nov.07 and already the dealer is calling me wanting to know if they can put me in a new Ford product.They sure didn't give me any breaks when they wrote up the lease BACK IN '04.I was told that they were not giving anything away.They sure didn't.Now they tell me they can do much better on a new lease. I'm sure they can. From what I hear, the sales on the big trucks has "Tanked". Thanks to folks like MONSIEURMAGGOT and others who are "showing the way", I'm into buying (hopefully) a 2007 Tribeca or Outback in the U.S. Not sure which yet. We're going to use a Cdn. Subaru dealership for test drives. That's it. From what I've heard about the Cdn. dealers and their elitist attitude I don't think I'd even want to buy from them in any event.

[GoodDeal]

How long did you have to wait until they had the car ready for you to pick it up? I've ordered a 2008 Subaru at the end of July and they still don't have it in...

[Agedashi]

so does acura sell used cars to Canadians....? and how would the warranty work on their used cars if they do sell to canadians?


When I was at the Canadian border importing my Subaru there was a fellow next to me importing a new Acura he had purchased in Portland. I asked him about the warranty as I had read about the Honda/Acura warranty issue on this thread. He said he just had to buy the extended warranty for an extra $900 to have it extend to Canada. A win/win of sorts because he also gets the extended time for his $$$. I can't verify whether or not this is a solution to the issue, but it may be worth the research if you want a Honda or Acura. He also said his savings were in the 14k range warranty included.

Cheers

[New2Subaru]

In my case, it took 3 weeks to get the car from Van Bortel