WOW ---- New cars from US up to 30% cheaper (cost to import under $200)

[kuri]

Looks like Driving Television will be doing a few segments on importing cars from the states as well. Here are the first 2 parts:

http://drivingtelevision.com/CarReviewVideos.php?ccID=2
http://drivingtelevision.com/CarReviewVideos.php?ccID=23

It'll be interesting to see what they recommend, or maybe they'll just take all the info from RFD. :cheesygri

[ecgz88]

Canada is smaller market compare to US, so Manufacturer won't make lots change for their price structure.

Looks like Driving Television will be doing a few segments on importing cars from the states as well. Here are the first 2 parts:

http://drivingtelevision.com/CarReviewVideos.php?ccID=2
http://drivingtelevision.com/CarReviewVideos.php?ccID=23

It'll be interesting to see what they recommend, or maybe they'll just take all the info from RFD. :cheesygri

[ELT]

How does everyone rate Subaru's vehicles?

It's good.. We have a 95 Legacy with 310k on it - didn't have any major problems yet. Engine got a little noisy, obviously had to replace some gaskets, got a new stereo.. but that's about it, suspension is still strong, no problems with eletrics.. So from my experience I'd certainly recommend it, although I know some Subarus had engine problems - check MSN Auto for model years.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Looks like Driving Television will be doing a few segments on importing cars from the states as well. Here are the first 2 parts:

http://drivingtelevision.com/CarReviewVideos.php?ccID=2
http://drivingtelevision.com/CarReviewVideos.php?ccID=23




That's great. I'm happy more and more folks are paying attention.

Interesting reply from Toyota and Subaru. "they will price whatever the market will bear".

They can charge what they like. I will go to wherever give me the best deal.

On a different topic, I found this excellend explanation of the VIN numbering scheme. It will help you determine if you need to pay Duty on your new US car.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_Identification_Number

[Tuppin]

Wow...that guy selling the imported Subaru's is making a killing!!! I paid 28600 Canadian for a Tribeca the same as he is charging 37K for!!! Sell a few like that and you are set.

[t0pclass]

I finally picked up 2007 Outback 2.5i Limited.
I purchased from Van Bortel Subaru (www.vanbortelsubaru.com) near Rochester. Entire buying/import process and experiance are great.
Actually this is the first time I did not have any headache from buying process. I also recommend Van Bortel Subaru, these guys are excellant. Their website shows almost everything such as dealer invoice price, all incentives.
I don't need to mention my price here because all is in the website. (oh, $75 internet discount is not there). I contacted 2 as you know guys from this forum, but one was never respond, another showed me an unhonest numbers. Personally I don't give them a trust(Pls don't get me wrong, this is personal feeling).
Crossing borders are painless. Actual processing time is 2 min in the US and 5 min in Canada. Thanks everyone in this forum.

[ecgz88]

I'm checking 2007 B9, Van Bortel Subaru show up $1250 rebate, but cars.101 show up nothing, maybe Van Bortel Subaru is bigger dealer so get more discount from Manufacturer?:?:

I finally picked up 2007 Outback 2.5i Limited.
I purchased from Van Bortel Subaru (www.vanbortelsubaru.com) near Rochester. Entire buying/import process and experiance are great.
Actually this is the first time I did not have any headache from buying process. I also recommend Van Bortel Subaru, these guys are excellant. Their website shows almost everything such as dealer invoice price, all incentives.
I don't need to mention my price here because all is in the website. (oh, $75 internet discount is not there). I contacted 2 as you know guys from this forum, but one was never respond, another showed me an unhonest numbers. Personally I don't give them a trust(Pls don't get me wrong, this is personal feeling).
Crossing borders are painless. Actual processing time is 2 min in the US and 5 min in Canada. Thanks everyone in this forum.

[sharlyne]

I am interested in buying a Toyota Rav 4. I live in Alberta and want to know if anyone has bought from the US, just over the Alberta Border? Worth it?

[Tuppin]

I'm checking 2007 B9, Van Bortel Subaru show up $1250 rebate, but cars.101 show up nothing, maybe Van Bortel Subaru is bigger dealer so get more discount from Manufacturer?:?:

Different regions of the country have different incentives. Currently, the east region has a 1250 rebate on the B9 but the west does not. My father got his 5 pass limited B9 for 30,000 US.

[icu_nxtime]

On tribecca B9
Customer Cash (Rebate) can be combined with LOW RATE
06 Tribeca 7 Pass model (6HO) $2,500.
’06 Dealer Cash
06 Tribeca (All Models) Can be combined with Low Rate & Rebates $1,000

Plus the coupon for 500 cash
http://www.vanbortelsubaru.com/pdf/500%20holidaycoupon.pdf

Total of $4000 on a 2006. I am trying to convince the wife there is enough room in the Subaru over the Sienna and it looks cooler !!! Much cooler !!!

[TheGrouch]

Has anyone done a jetta or a golf I was interested in the Sienna and the Subaru but they are a bit pricey for me. If anybody can share their experience with VW that would be great also a good dealer.

It seems like it be cheaper to be a new US car than a 1 year or 2 year used CDN car.
Thanks

[cpoole]

There is new CanWest newpaper article - not much new there but maybe worth a read...

http://www.canada.com/saskatoonstarphoenix/news/driving/story.html?id=9df0359d-bb60-4f6a-9196-d885aa14ed36

[kquon]

Thanx to RFD I took the plunge and bought a new Infiniti QX56. (2006). Retails in Canada for $78,000 Cdn plus GST. Probably could have bought one for $75,000 as the 2007 are coming out. I am using Hansens forwarding and the car is being shipped here now so I haven't done the paper work yet. Its costing about $2000 to ship. After GST, shipping, paperwork, and converting to daytime running lites, I'll save about $25,000 Cdn. The QX 56 is made in the USA so I won't have to pay any duty. Definitely worth my while.

[manixc]

Thanx to RFD I took the plunge and bought a new Infiniti QX56. (2006). Retails in Canada for $78,000 Cdn plus GST. Probably could have bought one for $75,000 as the 2007 are coming out. I am using Hansens forwarding and the car is being shipped here now so I haven't done the paper work yet. Its costing about $2000 to ship. After GST, shipping, paperwork, and converting to daytime running lites, I'll save about $25,000 Cdn. The QX 56 is made in the USA so I won't have to pay any duty. Definitely worth my while.

wow, $25k difference. that's crazy.

[arrush]

Any idea if VW will honor the warranty in canada?

[Gromit]

wow, $25k difference. that's crazy.

And that's even after taking the expensive route of having it shipped. Could have saved a couple thousand more by driving it himself. :!:

In general, the more expensive the vehicle, the more the savings. Or the more the Canadian ripoff, if you prefer.

[Monsieurmaggot]

For those who are asking for specifics on why I'm so big on buying in the US. Use this as an example. Here is EXACTLY what I am ordering from the US. It's a 2007 Subaru LLBean loaded (all options minus the navigation) including about $1500 US MSRP in assesories.

Depending on the exchange and the final negotiated price, the savings are roughly $15k Canadian. These numbers are typical pricing that is negotiated downwards.

Note: Many options on the LL Bean aren't even available in Canada (notably two-tone leather seating).

Compare this for starters:

Right from the Canadian dealer:

Subaru Outback 3.0R Premier Package: $45,995.00 MSRP
This model includes Navigation

Then add:

Rear Bumper Moulding - $131.50 (one pair)
Armrest Extension - $196.00
Cargo Anti Slip Mat - $39.00
Remote Engine Starter - $500.00
Wheel Lock Set - $37.00
Security System Upgrade - $200.00
Dome Reading Lamp - $115.50
Mirror Autodim/Compass with Homelink - $555.00
Audio-Subwoofer/Amplifier Kit - $440.50
Rubber Floor Mats - $100.00
Armrest Extension-Black - $196.00
Cargo Tray - $102.00
Carpet Floor Mat - $107.00
Cargo Net (Rear of Gate) - $35.00

Total Price of Selected Canadian Accessories approximately: $2,750

NO BUYER INCENTIVES.

Total Vehicle Price: $48,750 + Freight + Taxes.

You negotiate down from there. Since the Canadian dealers won’t tell you the invoice pricing. You can get APA discount pricing but it only amounts to a couple of grand off the top.

Now online pricing from a US dealer:

Subaru Outback 3.0R L.L. Bean with Navigation Package: $31,485 Invoice

Now add:

Rear Bumper Moulding $35.00 (two pair)
Armrest Extension-Beige $106.00
Cargo Anti Slip Mat - Included
Remote Engine Starter $288.00
Wheel Lock Set $28.00
Security System Upgrade $79.00
Dome Reading Lamp $56.00
Mirror Autodim/Compass with Homelink – Included but add $45 for Homelink
Audio-Subwoofer/Amplifier Kit $186.00
Rubber Floor Mats $33.00
Armrest Extension-Black $106.00
Cargo Tray - Included
Carpet Floor Mat - Included
Cargo Net (Rear of Gate) $33.00

Total Price of Selected US Accessories approximately: $995

Subaru is currently offering $750 US instant cash
Van Bortel or other similar US Subaru dealers are currently offering $500 - $600 additional cash. Van Bortel offers $500 plus a $75 Internet discount.

Total Vehicle Price: $32,480 + $645 Freight - $1325 + Exchange + Taxes

If you wait until April Suburu offers a $1500 Cash back. Add that to the dealer incentive and you get $2100 US instant cash back.

That's why I'm buying in the US.

[t0pclass]

According to Van Bortel, there are 4 discounts available for 07 Legacy and Legacy Outback.
(Except Spec B)
Custermer Rebate: $750
Dealer Cash: $500
Holiday Coupon: $500
Internet Discount: $75

So, total incentives can be $1825.

[eljay]

Any good cross-border Nissan dealers in Maine for us Eastern Canada folks?

I'm hoping I can find a dealer who did these before, so they could save me paperwork and time.

Thanks.

[ecgz88]

Thanks for the info, is it 2007 5 Pass Limited (with Navi) B9?

Different regions of the country have different incentives. Currently, the east region has a 1250 rebate on the B9 but the west does not. My father got his 5 pass limited B9 for 30,000 US.

[timv]

In Maine check out LeeAuto.com. They are in Auburn, ME about 4.25 hours from the Calais, ME border shortly before Portland. I know they post and offer group buys on a lot of Nissan forums. With their online customer service I'm assuming they would be good to deal with...

Let me/us know how it goes if you deal with someone in Maine.

[bionicbadger]

Depending on the exchange and the final negotiated price, the savings are roughly $15k Canadian. These numbers are typical pricing that is negotiated downwards.


Its a good, deal but not as good as it was 8 months ago when the exchange rate was better.
You math is off too by the way, the savings are much closer to $10K (still well worth it to go buy in the states) if you take into account the current exchange rate and the fact that you can negotiate some off the subaru in canada, but van bortel is a no haggle dealer.

I'm still thinking about importing, but may wait until april for better incentives in the states or a better exchange rate.

[TheGrouch]

Any idea if VW will honor the warranty in canada?


I read in this thread it does.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I didn't realize that Vanbortel was offering an extra $500 off. That's great.

Each percentage the dollar drops only adds $100 per $10,000 so the incentives offset the differences.

My math is based on a 13% exchange rate which is what I have confirmed for one year. I have a trading account that gets me an amazing discount on US exchange (way less than 1.00 cent). I read some RFDers were getting a 1.11 rate a while back.

While the Canadian dollar has been lagging of late, the drop is relatively insignificant in relations to the savings especially if you tack on the extra $750 that arrives in April. At that point, I'm sure it could be possible to get a $2575 US discount from Van Bortel since they are currently offering $1825 as t0pclass pointed out.

Canadian dealers are offering me $2 - 3K off the MSRP. I'm too tired to deal with them. When I was less informed I actually went to a local Subaru guy and offered them $5000 Canadian over my US price. They still wanted an extra $8000. Some insist they have no control over the "$299 window etching". I don't think those guys realize that the Internet is actually used by consumers. At this point I don't have the time or inclination to deal with them. When was the last time you saw Subaru Canada offer cash back? They aren't even courteous enough to the Canadian consumer to offer any.

Unless the Canadian dollar drops to .80 cents, or my savings are less than $5000, the NY dealers will get my cash.

By the way, for those who want to save on exchange rates, register with XEtrade.com or similar on-line currency exchange service. Since you're transferring over $10,000, they give you a preferred rate. ALWAYS much less than 1% (and significantly more as you exchange more cash). Considerably more than the banks or credit unions. XEtrade also does EFT to the car dealer so you don't need to go through the hassled of getting certified cheques either. Did you read the banks posted record "quarter" profits in the billions? Not from me.

[eljay]

In Maine check out LeeAuto.com. They are in Auburn, ME about 4.25 hours from the Calais, ME border shortly before Portland. I know they post and offer group buys on a lot of Nissan forums. With their online customer service I'm assuming they would be good to deal with...

Let me/us know how it goes if you deal with someone in Maine.


Thank you. I will certainly document my experience if I do this.

[johnsa]

I didn't realize that Vanbortel was offering an extra $500 off. That's great.

Each percentage the dollar drops only adds $100 per $10,000 so the incentives offset the differences.

My math is based on a 13% exchange rate which is what I have confirmed for one year. I have a trading account that gets me an amazing discount on US exchange (way less than 1.00 cent). I read some RFDers were getting a 1.11 rate a while back.



No really a realistic rate these days..The best rate you will find now is about 1.15 and the Cdn Dollar is weakening as we speak...

[Monsieurmaggot]

You are correct johnsa.

I was lucky enough to be able to lock in a 13% exchange rate through Xetrade.com (check out their option to lock in rates).

Even at 15%, you're only paying an extra $600 on a $30K US purchase.

In the new year there will be additional incentives that will make up the difference.

[scouzi]

I'm looking into importing a Tribeca from Vermont and I have the following questions for people who may have done it:

1) Do you have to replace the dash (at what cost) or are stickers good enough?

2) What is your experience in dealing with Canadian dealers for warranty issues? Do you get the cold shoulder treatment?

3) For those who got the NAV with it:
a) Does it support the French language (no problem for me but maybe for resale purposes in the future)
b) Can the trip info be changed to Km from miles or is is always in miles only?
c) Does it cover Canadian territory?

4) What Vermont dealer did you deal with? So far none had reservations of exporting to Canada.

[yyz2hkg]

I'm looking into importing a Tribeca from Vermont and I have the following questions for people who may have done it:

1) Do you have to replace the dash (at what cost) or are stickers good enough?

2) What is your experience in dealing with Canadian dealers for warranty issues? Do you get the cold shoulder treatment?

3) For those who got the NAV with it:
a) Does it support the French language (no problem for me but maybe for resale purposes in the future)
b) Can the trip info be changed to Km from miles or is is always in miles only?
c) Does it cover Canadian territory?

4) What Vermont dealer did you deal with? So far none had reservations of exporting to Canada.

1) No stickers are required...my 07 Outback has both Miles and Kilometres, but as you may know, the Miles are on top and Kilometres are on the bottom.

2) To be honest, I did get the cold shoulder treatment from certain dealers to service my vehicle in my area. I got some good opinions from guys on RFD about the dealers that have had service done with imported vehicles. I guess it depends. Some will service your car with no problems, other gave me piss poor attitude.

3) I've been told the Nav system is pretty out-dated (basic) I mean, it'll get the job done, but as far as I know,a portable system is much better and may have the French language installed. It covers a good part of North America.

The trip info and mileage can be changed, but the dealers here in Ontario aren't willing to do it. I've heard all it takes is the re-programming of the ECU to change everything, but not that simple as described (I'm still looking into it.)

I can't help you on the Vermont dealers as I purchased MY 07 Outback in NYS. I hope that helps.

[ecgz88]

What's extra $750 that arrives in April goes for? How did you know that?

I didn't realize that Vanbortel was offering an extra $500 off. That's great.

Each percentage the dollar drops only adds $100 per $10,000 so the incentives offset the differences.

My math is based on a 13% exchange rate which is what I have confirmed for one year. I have a trading account that gets me an amazing discount on US exchange (way less than 1.00 cent). I read some RFDers were getting a 1.11 rate a while back.

While the Canadian dollar has been lagging of late, the drop is relatively insignificant in relations to the savings especially if you tack on the extra $750 that arrives in April. At that point, I'm sure it could be possible to get a $2575 US discount from Van Bortel since they are currently offering $1825 as t0pclass pointed out.

Canadian dealers are offering me $2 - 3K off the MSRP. I'm too tired to deal with them. When I was less informed I actually went to a local Subaru guy and offered them $5000 Canadian over my US price. They still wanted an extra $8000. Some insist they have no control over the "$299 window etching". I don't think those guys realize that the Internet is actually used by consumers. At this point I don't have the time or inclination to deal with them. When was the last time you saw Subaru Canada offer cash back? They aren't even courteous enough to the Canadian consumer to offer any.

Unless the Canadian dollar drops to .80 cents, or my savings are less than $5000, the NY dealers will get my cash.

By the way, for those who want to save on exchange rates, register with XEtrade.com or similar on-line currency exchange service. Since you're transferring over $10,000, they give you a preferred rate. ALWAYS much less than 1% (and significantly more as you exchange more cash). Considerably more than the banks or credit unions. XEtrade also does EFT to the car dealer so you don't need to go through the hassled of getting certified cheques either. Did you read the banks posted record "quarter" profits in the billions? Not from me.

[scouzi]

1) No stickers are required...my 07 Outback has both Miles and Kilometres, but as you may know, the Miles are on top and Kilometres are on the bottom.

2) To be honest, I did get the cold shoulder treatment from certain dealers to service my vehicle in my area. I got some good opinions from guys on RFD about the dealers that have had service done with imported vehicles. I guess it depends. Some will service your car with no problems, other gave me piss poor attitude.

3) I've been told the Nav system is pretty out-dated (basic) I mean, it'll get the job done, but as far as I know,a portable system is much better and may have the French language installed. It covers a good part of North America.

The trip info and mileage can be changed, but the dealers here in Ontario aren't willing to do it. I've heard all it takes is the re-programming of the ECU to change everything, but not that simple as described (I'm still looking into it.)

I can't help you on the Vermont dealers as I purchased MY 07 Outback in NYS. I hope that helps.

Thanks!

Back to the NAV, from the sounds of it, there's no way of updating the map info to it and the information is all in miles? Correct. If this is the case, I might just buy a lower end model then (or a 2007 with heated seats).

Ok thanks for the info. I know a retired person who used to work at the Toyota CS. He said they always had lot of complaints from customers over dealers unwilling to service their cars imported from the US(they would sometimes keep the car for 1 week just to p*&*&? them off). Toyota can't do that much about it since they are still an independant business. They don't make much money off the warranty service.

To be honest with you, I can't really blame them. They sell the car for a higher price beacause Subaru Canada sells it to them for a higher price. They don't make $15k profit on a car.

I thought maybe I would go to one local Subaru dealer and buy a whole bunch of accessories from him at least to give him a small profit somewhere.

[st7860]

you dont blame them, but i blame them, because its their duty to service the toyota product.

[ecgz88]

They don't make much money off the warranty service? ut they get same pay from Manufacturer no matter car is buy in US or Canada right?

there's no way of updating the map info? Is it use DVD? I really like 2007 Version for Backup Camera>:(



Thanks!

Back to the NAV, from the sounds of it, there's no way of updating the map info to it and the information is all in miles? Correct. If this is the case, I might just buy a lower end model then (or a 2007 with heated seats).

Ok thanks for the info. I know a retired person who used to work at the Toyota CS. He said they always had lot of complaints from customers over dealers unwilling to service their cars imported from the US(they would sometimes keep the car for 1 week just to p*&*&? them off). Toyota can't do that much about it since they are still an independant business. They don't make much money off the warranty service.

To be honest with you, I can't really blame them. They sell the car for a higher price beacause Subaru Canada sells it to them for a higher price. They don't make $15k profit on a car.

I thought maybe I would go to one local Subaru dealer and buy a whole bunch of accessories from him at least to give him a small profit somewhere.

[Tuppin]

I have the nav in our Tribeca and really love it. I haven't gotten the vehicle serviced yet at the dealer....it has worked great since we got it 3 months ago. My dad just got an 07.

I would recommend the Nav. I live in PEI and I am amazed at the level of detail in our little town (summerside). It has about 80% of the streets labeled correctly. You select in the Nav which region you are in...so you select Canada. The Nav allows you to select the voice...Male, female or French. I think the nav is the exact one that sells in Canada since it has the option to go into metric/km for distances as well ("Turn right in 800meters"). As a bonus...if you get the 07 with nav you get the backup camera which I think would be of great use....kinda wished I had one. I think that would be a big resale helper as well. There is a Nav update in the works as well. Sure aftermarket ones are cheap and good....but it's nice to have it encorporated into the vehicle. It's much more impressive to people as well (my son tells everyone that our car talks).

[Pseudo Nim]

I spoke to my dealer about buying from the US (I own a 2005 Impreza). His reaction was funny - he got angry, started shaking his fist and started swearing at Subaru. "We lost 3 deals this week alone," he said. "And there's nothing we can do! We've been yelling at Subaru for months now! Look at this!" he pointed to a brand-new Legacy in the showroom. "This Subaru comes from the US - we bought it there ourselves because it was cheaper than buying from Subaru Canada! Look, this trim package isn't even offered in Canada!"

I found it amusing. He seemed OK with people bringing in USA cars for service, though - he recognizes the fact that they're not competitive on base price.

Btw, re: car navi - they usually charge an arm and a leg to update the maps, and they're hard to uh, "find". Much better to put in your own sat-nav system (shameless plug (http://www.game-over.net/pseudo/carpc/0_general.jpg) and another one (http://www.game-over.net/pseudo/carpc/2_main.jpg)). The 2-DIN opening on Imprezas is phenomenal for it! The pop-up box on top of the dash on Legacies/Outbacks looks like a modders' haven, too, haven't played with it though. Tribecas look much, much harder though - too molded/nice-looking. :(

[st7860]

I spoke to my dealer about buying from the US (I own a 2005 Impreza). His reaction was funny - he got angry, started shaking his fist and started swearing at Subaru. "We lost 3 deals this week alone," he said. "And there's nothing we can do! We've been yelling at Subaru for months now! Look at this!" he pointed to a brand-new Legacy in the showroom. "This Subaru comes from the US - we bought it there ourselves because it was cheaper than buying from Subaru Canada! Look, this trim package isn't even offered in Canada!"

I found it amusing. He seemed OK with people bringing in USA cars for service, though - he recognizes the fact that they're not competitive on base price.

Btw, re: car navi - they usually charge an arm and a leg to update the maps, and they're hard to uh, "find". Much better to put in your own sat-nav system (shameless plug (http://www.game-over.net/pseudo/carpc/0_general.jpg) and another one (http://www.game-over.net/pseudo/carpc/2_main.jpg)). The 2-DIN opening on Imprezas is phenomenal for it! The pop-up box on top of the dash on Legacies/Outbacks looks like a modders' haven, too, haven't played with it though. Tribecas look much, much harder though - too molded/nice-looking. :(


don't feel sorry for the canadian car dealers, thats their problem.

perhaps if they had a reputation for sterling service with happiness, ethics, on time reliable repairs, polite sales staff, etc, people wouldn't mind paying a little bit more buying a car in Canada.

[Pseudo Nim]

don't feel sorry for the canadian car dealers, thats their problem.

perhaps if they had a reputation for sterling service with happiness, ethics, on time reliable repairs, polite sales staff, etc, people wouldn't mind paying a little bit more buying a car in Canada.

Curiously, sometimes it's not their fault. He was telling me of the case of one guy who bought a WRX and his engine blew at 2,000km. They gave him a courtesy car (which was obviously not a WRX) and requested warranty service from Subaru Canada. Apparently, Subaru Canada's policy, unlike GM and others, is to *rebuild* the engine, rather than just do a complete swap (even though it's 2,000km!). So they spent 2 months sending the engine back to Subaru, getting a new one, replacing it, etc. They bring in the engine, customer's waiting, everyone's happy, guy calls to bring the car down, mechanic sits in it, starts it up, puts it in gear - bang, engine blows again. Rinse, repeat for 3 more months. All this time the customer didn't have a WRX - so he sued Subaru and got his monthly payments back at least (this is all the dealer telling me this). To a certain point, it does look like they have their hands tied.

In my personal experience, I've had _shoddy_ service from this same dealer at one point, where they were supposed to replace some plastic panels on my doors, and they actually ended up making it worse. But to their credit, they've replaced them when I notified them without issue. I've been back to the dealer several times for minor things (i.e. had my muffler replaced, rear differential replaced, transmission + front diff replaced, etc), and have had no trouble since.

But would I pay him an extra $10k? Hell, no. :)

[PlayerOne]

don't feel sorry for the canadian car dealers, thats their problem.

perhaps if they had a reputation for sterling service with happiness, ethics, on time reliable repairs, polite sales staff, etc, people wouldn't mind paying a little bit more buying a car in Canada.

I disagree

[st7860]

I disagree

that was just supposed to be tongue-in-buttcheek about supporting canadian dealers. lol

[BoxsterS]

I was watching Driving Television on Global the other day and they addressed this very question - why are US vehicles so much more cheaper than Canadian vehicles. Part of the problem lies in the fact that the Canadian companies still price their cars in accordance to when the dollar was very low to the U.S dollar and they haven't really adjusted their prices to reflect the changes in the exchange rate.

Driving Television also sent letters to all of the major Canadian manufactures asking them to explain the price discrepancy. Only two manufactures replied - Toyota and Subaru. According to Toyota and Subaru, they price their cars to what the market will bear. So as long as people keep buying these cars at these inflated and non-adjusted prices, they'll continue to sell them for that price. Driving Television basically summed up their report by saying that the best way to voice your opinion on this issue is with your wallet and not buy a Canadian car. They also mentioned that they would be discussing the issue further in an upcoming episode by talking to people that buy their cars in the U.S.

[scouzi]

I have the nav in our Tribeca and really love it. I haven't gotten the vehicle serviced yet at the dealer....it has worked great since we got it 3 months ago. My dad just got an 07.

I would recommend the Nav. I live in PEI and I am amazed at the level of detail in our little town (summerside). It has about 80% of the streets labeled correctly. You select in the Nav which region you are in...so you select Canada. The Nav allows you to select the voice...Male, female or French. I think the nav is the exact one that sells in Canada since it has the option to go into metric/km for distances as well ("Turn right in 800meters"). As a bonus...if you get the 07 with nav you get the backup camera which I think would be of great use....kinda wished I had one. I think that would be a big resale helper as well. There is a Nav update in the works as well. Sure aftermarket ones are cheap and good....but it's nice to have it encorporated into the vehicle. It's much more impressive to people as well (my son tells everyone that our car talks).

Ok thanks. Thats good to hear.

[Pseudo Nim]

I have the nav in our Tribeca and really love it. I haven't gotten the vehicle serviced yet at the dealer....it has worked great since we got it 3 months ago. My dad just got an 07.

I would recommend the Nav. I live in PEI and I am amazed at the level of detail in our little town (summerside). It has about 80% of the streets labeled correctly. You select in the Nav which region you are in...so you select Canada. The Nav allows you to select the voice...Male, female or French. I think the nav is the exact one that sells in Canada since it has the option to go into metric/km for distances as well ("Turn right in 800meters"). As a bonus...if you get the 07 with nav you get the backup camera which I think would be of great use....kinda wished I had one. I think that would be a big resale helper as well. There is a Nav update in the works as well. Sure aftermarket ones are cheap and good....but it's nice to have it encorporated into the vehicle. It's much more impressive to people as well (my son tells everyone that our car talks).

I like that French is considered a third gender. :)

[Monsieurmaggot]

What's extra $750 that arrives in April goes for? How did you know that?

Early in the new year, Subaru US will add a couple of hundred dollars to the rebate (I'm told they will bump it to $1000). After that it will go to $1500 cash back by the end of April start of May.

If you can wait until the model end clearout, you can get $2750 US Cash back from Subaru and about the same in dealer incentives. Giving you essentially $5000+ off. This happens every year and has been this way with the 2006s since about September.

It's just a question of how much you want to save.

I just received an email from a sales rep. at Van Bortel in Rochester, NY who confirmed that on top of any current Subaru factory incentive, they will give any buyer an extra $1000 off providing the order is placed by December 31st.

Read it yourself at http://www.vanbortelsubaru.com/ and click "Holiday Coupon"

I noticed that Subaru Canada is now offering $750 cash back as a "student discount". Like any student can afford a Canadian Subaru. Give me a break.

I can get a WRX or Legacy Spec. B in the US and pay for a whole year of college tuition (with accommodations) to many colleges or universities.

I'm glad that TV show http://drivingtelevision.com/CarReviewVideos.php?ccID=2 and
http://drivingtelevision.com/CarRevi...os.php?ccID=23 is commenting on the gouging that's taking place.

Don't forget: If you think that Canadian dealers and manufacturers are taking advantage of the Canadian consumer, there is something you can do. Contact the Canadian Competition Bureau:

File a complaint by phone or by fax:

Monday - Friday, 8:30 a.m. to 4:30 p.m., Eastern Time.
Toll-free: 1 800 348-5358
TDD (for hearing impaired): 1 800 642-3844
Fax: (819) 997-0324

File a complaint by mail:

Competition Bureau
50 Victoria Street
Gatineau, Quebec
K1A 0C9

Send them an email and have them look into this. Someone is making huge money here and it's not us. email: compbureau@cb-bc.gc.ca

[ecgz88]

Does it apply to 2007 Tribeca as well? That happens every year so you guess it will happen in 2007 right?:cheesygri

And How Subaru dealer can give $1000-2000 dealer incentive on top of manu Invoice price? it's manu-dealer rebate or 2% dealer holdback?

"Early in the new year, Subaru US will add a couple of hundred dollars to the rebate (I'm told they will bump it to $1000). After that it will go to $1500 cash back by the end of April start of May."

[scouzi]

Does it apply to 2007 Tribeca as well? That happens every year so you guess it will happen in 2007 right?:cheesygri

And How Subaru dealer can give $1000-2000 dealer incentive on top of manu Invoice price? it's manu-dealer rebate or 2% dealer holdback?

"Early in the new year, Subaru US will add a couple of hundred dollars to the rebate (I'm told they will bump it to $1000). After that it will go to $1500 cash back by the end of April start of May."

Does anyone know if you can pay GST with a credit card at the border?

I called border services and after about 10 messages and 15 menu options, the system hung up on me!

[mlc2000]

I was talking to a guy on Sunday night who was going to buy a 2007 Acura RL at Performance in St Catharines for $84,000 taxes included.
Instead he bought it 'across the river' for $62,000CAD inclusive.

Thats a savings of $22,000 (over 25%,!!)

[Tuppin]

Does anyone know if you can pay GST with a credit card at the border?

I called border services and after about 10 messages and 15 menu options, the system hung up on me!


Yes, you can pay the GST at the border by credit card. You also pay the RIV fee there by CC.

[Pseudo Nim]

Yes, you can pay the GST at the border by credit card. You also pay the RIV fee there by CC.

They're willing to let you put $4-6k on a credit card? Wow, besides it costing them 2.5-4% (anyone know if they take Amex?), think of the points you get on the card! Use a cash back card and you even get ~2% cash back :D

[Tuppin]

Yup, I used my Cash advantage card and got 3% cash back. On a $30000 vehicle that was $1800 so to get to the 4K you would need to buy a pricey vehicle. Here in PEI you can also use your CC to pay your PST when you register the vehicle.

[scouzi]

Ok hopefully the last question:

Does the RIV fee include the inspection at Canadian Tire or is there a separate fee for this? If so, how much does CT charge for the rubber stamp?

[Tuppin]

Canadian Tire fee to do the federal inspection is covered in the RIV fee. The only fee you might pay to Canadian Tire is for a provincial inspection.

[james-007]

Ok hopefully the last question:

Does the RIV fee include the inspection at Canadian Tire or is there a separate fee for this? If so, how much does CT charge for the rubber stamp?

CT inspection fee is included in RIV.

[scouzi]

I was told by two Ontario dealers that they are pitching to have Subaru Canada not honour warranties on US cars bought by Canadians (unless they have proof they were US citizens when the car was purchased).

I am not interested or worried about that statement but I thought I would pass it along. The savings are just too great.

Last night I visited yet another Ontario dealer who told me that Subaru doesn't really car where I buy the car as long as it's a Subaru. His best offer for a Limited with options is still $6000 more than two New York State dealers I spoke to.

One large dealer tells me he's sold about a dozen high-performance Imprezas to Torontonians in the last year. Those cars are roughly $10,000 cheaper there.

I called Subaru Canada and they told me that the warranty is still handled by Subaru America. If you have problems, the dealer has to deal with Subaru America and not Subaru Canada to get paid and get the proper authorizations to go ahead with the repairs.

This makes the warranty process more complicated for everyone.

[Tuppin]

I called Subaru Canada and they told me that the warranty is still handled by Subaru America. If you have problems, the dealer has to deal with Subaru America and not Subaru Canada to get paid and get the proper authorizations to go ahead with the repairs.

This makes the warranty process more complicated for everyone.

I suspect from the huge number of Subaru's being imported that the dealerships will have lots of practice dealing with warranty issues. Either that or they will lose a lot of business. Some dealerships are actually starting to import vehicles to sell just to be competitive.

[Mongo]

Whew....I'm all done importing my 2007 Toyota Tacoma 4x4 Dbl Cab.Just had the federal inspection completed this am at CanadianTire ( took about 10minutes ) then off to licence and insure for replacement cost. This whole process has been fairly straight forward, the only real glitch was Customs at the Peace Arch crossing in BC apparently "forgot" or misplaced my Form1 and didn't fax it to the registrar:( . So after a few phone calls I faxed my copy to riv and they emailed the Form2 within the hour:)
to myself. Total savings including currency conversion,flight to Vancouver etc, GST and PST paid...savings of just over 8K:D . Thanks once again for all the people who have come forward with information and opened my eyes to the rip off the manufacturers and dealerships are inflicting upon the Canadian consumer.

[satoshi]

Whew....I'm all done importing my 2007 Toyota Tacoma 4x4 Dbl Cab.Just had the federal inspection completed this am at CanadianTire ( took about 10minutes ) then off to licence and insure for replacement cost. This whole process has been fairly straight forward, the only real glitch was Customs at the Peace Arch crossing in BC apparently "forgot" or misplaced my Form1 and didn't fax it to the registrar:( . So after a few phone calls I faxed my copy to riv and they emailed the Form2 within the hour:)
to myself. Total savings including currency conversion,flight to Vancouver etc, GST and PST paid...savings of just over 8K:D . Thanks once again for all the people who have come forward with information and opened my eyes to the rip off the manufacturers and dealerships are inflicting upon the Canadian consumer.

Was it easy to find a Toyota dealer near the BC-WA border that's willing to sell to Canadians? The last time that I heard, they were less incline to do so.

I'm thinking of importing a Solara Sport (as that trim is not available in Canada) or a Camry SE.

[Mongo]

Was it easy to find a Toyota dealer near the BC-WA border that's willing to sell to Canadians? The last time that I heard, they were less incline to do so.

I'm thinking of importing a Solara Sport (as that trim is not available in Canada) or a Camry SE.

If you want to know the dealers name send me a pm...if you're interested.This dealership had absolutely no problem selling to Canadians, as a matter of fact I was told that they are selling 7-8 Toyotas a week to Canadians.

[bigbug]

:cheesygri

[SquealADeal]

Don't forget: If you think that Canadian dealers and manufacturers are taking advantage of the Canadian consumer, there is something you can do. Contact the Canadian Competition Bureau:

File a complaint by phone or by fax:

Monday - Friday, 8:30 a.m. to 4:30 p.m., Eastern Time.
Toll-free: 1 800 348-5358
TDD (for hearing impaired): 1 800 642-3844
Fax: (819) 997-0324

File a complaint by mail:

Competition Bureau
50 Victoria Street
Gatineau, Quebec
K1A 0C9

Send them an email and have them look into this. Someone is making huge money here and it's not us. email: compbureau@cb-bc.gc.ca

I am sure these car companies can easily come up with a thought out excuse for the price difference in response to an inquiry. It would probably relate to setting up an infrastructure and network in a country with a fraction of the population compared to the US.

[yyz2hkg]

:cheesygri

As for your question on leasing a vehicle, it's not possible unless you're a US resident and have a SSN IIRC.

[last5oh_302]

Hi all. Newbie to the site. I read the first few pages of this thread but not all ;) I'm also in the market and have done quite a bit of research on importing my own vehicle in the near future.

Congrats on your new Tacoma Mongo, but I have a question. Did you check with Toyota about whether they will cover warranty on a brand new vehicle? I've been looking at Pathfinders and after a quick call to Nissan Canada, they told me that they would not honour the warranty on any new vehicles from the states. They specifically indicated that the vehicle had to be previously registered in the states (ie,used) before they would honour the balance of the factory warranty. Also, Nissan will not honour any extended warranties bought in the states nor would they extend any warranty on a vehicle that was bought in the states here.

This is why I've been looking at Pathfinders with as low an odometer reading as possible. Most are 2000-5000 miles. I've seen some dealers that have their vehicles listed as used with 500-800 miles on them as well, but after doing a carfax search I've found that they usually have not been registered yet, in other words they're brand new.

[methyl]

I'm considering to buy Subaru Outback and want to confim I have a good understanding of the process, so please correct me if I'm wrong, what I need to do is:

1. Determine the final price with the dealer
2. Pay the dealer the deposit if you have it built to specs and pay the balance to the dealer (sales tax not charged to non-residents), obtain title to the vehicle
3. Dispatch the fax with the title doc and sales bill to US customs for checks before export and wait 3 days
4. Obtain transit plates from the ministry of transportation in Canada
5. Obtain temporary insurance based on VIN
6. Arrive at the dealership and transfer warranty to Canada (or is this done at a different time?), get the registration documents, letter of recall and drive to the border
7. Submit ownership & verification of export checks to US customs and drive out
8. Submit title documents, registration, sales receipts, statement of compliance label, recall letter, RIV fee, GST to Canadian customs (air con fee charged? any other fees?)
9. Visit Can. Tire for inspection
10. Submit inspection letter, ownership, export/import documents, provincial tax to register and obtain plates at ministry of transportation (or agent)
11. Get permanent insurance based on plates and drive off

Is this right? I'm in Ontario, if it's relevant

Thanks

[yyz2hkg]

I'm considering to buy Subaru Outback and want to confim I have a good understanding of the process, so please correct me if I'm wrong, what I need to do is:

1. Determine the final price with the dealer
2. Pay the dealer the deposit if you have it built to specs and pay the balance to the dealer (sales tax not charged to non-residents), obtain title to the vehicle
3. Dispatch the fax with the title doc and sales bill to US customs for checks before export and wait 3 days
4. Obtain transit plates from the ministry of transportation in Canada
5. Obtain temporary insurance based on VIN
6. Arrive at the dealership and transfer warranty to Canada (or is this done at a different time?), get the registration documents, letter of recall and drive to the border
7. Submit ownership & verification of export checks to US customs and drive out
8. Submit title documents, registration, sales receipts, statement of compliance label, recall letter, RIV fee, GST to Canadian customs (air con fee charged? any other fees?)
9. Visit Can. Tire for inspection
10. Submit inspection letter, ownership, export/import documents, provincial tax to register and obtain plates at ministry of transportation (or agent)
11. Get permanent insurance based on plates and drive off

Is this right? I'm in Ontario, if it's relevant

Thanks

This may help out a bit:

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=363416

[stewpy]

Keep reading... Toyota and Subaru are noted as warranty transfer friendly.

Hi all. Newbie to the site. I read the first few pages of this thread but not all ;) I'm also in the market and have done quite a bit of research on importing my own vehicle in the near future.

Congrats on your new Tacoma Mongo, but I have a question. Did you check with Toyota about whether they will cover warranty on a brand new vehicle? I've been looking at Pathfinders and after a quick call to Nissan Canada, they told me that they would not honour the warranty on any new vehicles from the states. They specifically indicated that the vehicle had to be previously registered in the states (ie,used) before they would honour the balance of the factory warranty. Also, Nissan will not honour any extended warranties bought in the states nor would they extend any warranty on a vehicle that was bought in the states here.

This is why I've been looking at Pathfinders with as low an odometer reading as possible. Most are 2000-5000 miles. I've seen some dealers that have their vehicles listed as used with 500-800 miles on them as well, but after doing a carfax search I've found that they usually have not been registered yet, in other words they're brand new.

[BMR]

I just talked online with a Mazda US customer relations person and she told me that all American Mazda dealers have been instructed as of April 1, 2006 not to sell a car to anyone that is not going to first own it in the US for 6 months. When I further asked about the price discrepancy, she would not comment.

Can I or can I not buy a loaded Mazda 3 in say New York and then bring it across to Toronto, after the paper work. Will Mazda honour the warrenty ?

Side note: American version of the car will have a speedometer in miles per hour with the km/h in small print or not there at all ?? Correct ??

BMR

[last5oh_302]

I just talked online with a Mazda US customer relations person and she told me that all American Mazda dealers have been instructed as of April 1, 2006 not to sell a car to anyone that is not going to first own it in the US for 6 months. When I further asked about the price discrepancy, she would not comment.

Can I or can I not buy a loaded Mazda 3 in say New York and then bring it across to Toronto, after the paper work. Will Mazda honour the warrenty ?

Side note: American version of the car will have a speedometer in miles per hour with the km/h in small print or not there at all ?? Correct ??

BMR

It sounds to me like Mazda is the same as Nissan, as I stated in my above post. I believe most manufacturers treat NEW cars the same way. Honda won't honour warranty on brand new either.
Dealers are merely trying to protect each other.

Yes, the odometer and speedometer will be in MPH, but the speedometer will simply have the MPH as the predominant digits. KMH will still be there.

So, as I was asking above, I assume by Stewpy's reply that Toyota and Subaru must honour warranty on BRAND NEW cars bought in the states then.

[methyl]

So, as I was asking above, I assume by Stewpy's reply that Toyota and Subaru must honour warranty on BRAND NEW cars bought in the states then.

I read in the threads that in order to do work under warranty for Subaru, the canadian dealer will need to work with Subary US for authorization and reimbursement, which will complicate the process, and it's a question whether a dealer will undertake this.

[last5oh_302]

I read in the threads that in order to do work under warranty for Subaru, the canadian dealer will need to work with Subary US for authorization and reimbursement, which will complicate the process, and it's a question whether a dealer will undertake this.

Well that could cause problems, but on top of that, I'd want something in writing stating that they'll honour the warranty on brand new.

I have no problems going across the border to pick up something with little to no km's either way. At least I know for sure, at least as far as Nissan is concerned, that they'll honour factory warranty, as long as the vehicle was previously registered in the states. They said nothing about time limits or mileage on the said vehicle.
I guess I could get brand new by simply having somebody I know in the states buy the vehicle for me. That way it has been previously registered.

[bionicbadger]

Well that could cause problems, but on top of that, I'd want something in writing stating that they'll honour the warranty on brand new.



READ

THE

THREAD.

Everything has already been stated and answered.
People have posted e-mail responses from subaru canada saying they will honor the warranty. If thats not good enough for you email them yourself.

[methyl]

I guess I could get brand new by simply having somebody I know in the states buy the vehicle for me. That way it has been previously registered.

In that case at least one of you may need to pay the state sales tax

[last5oh_302]

In that case at least one of you may need to pay the state sales tax

I won't buy from a state that charges state tax, regardless if I can get it back.

Yeah, I hear ya on getting someone to buy within a state that they already reside though. I won't be going that route anyway. I was just throwing out a suggestion or alternate plan of attack for buying brand new.

I've been compiling a list of which states do and which don't, although I only have a few on that list so far.

[last5oh_302]

READ

THE

THREAD.

Everything has already been stated and answered.
People have posted e-mail responses from subaru canada saying they will honor the warranty. If thats not good enough for you email them yourself.


Great, and thanks for the answer, but I don't have time to read almost 80 pages at the moment ;)

[tzcnd]

Just finished importing a Sienna from the U.S. The guy/girl at the border will gladly take your credit card for the GST and RIV fee and the PST and licencing fees in Ontario can also be paid on your card.

Someone on another board posted that he not only saved a ton on a car but he also got an espresso machine as well with his points.



Yup, I used my Cash advantage card and got 3% cash back. On a $30000 vehicle that was $1800 so to get to the 4K you would need to buy a pricey vehicle. Here in PEI you can also use your CC to pay your PST when you register the vehicle.

[scouzi]

READ

THE

THREAD.

Everything has already been stated and answered.
People have posted e-mail responses from subaru canada saying they will honor the warranty. If thats not good enough for you email them yourself.


Subaru Canada won't honor the warranty. It's Subaru US that allows Canadian dealerships to perform warranty work. The process might be a little longer and Canadian dealers certainly won't give you any priorities on your car.

I'm thinking of buying a Subaru in the US and going to the closest dealer here and give him $500 for no hassle service in the future.

[st7860]

READ

THE

THREAD.

Everything has already been stated and answered.
People have posted e-mail responses from subaru canada saying they will honor the warranty. If thats not good enough for you email them yourself.

some people just refuse to search thats all, and whine that reading is hard.
i think most people here write at the sub-college level for online purposes, so I dont think its that difficult to read and understand most people's posts.

[last5oh_302]

Subaru Canada won't honor the warranty. It's Subaru US that allows Canadian dealerships to perform warranty work.


Oh no, say it isn't so!!

Glad I asked rather than sifting through multiple pages of contradictory posts.;)

In my opinion, you won't find ANY manufacturers that will honour warranty on a brand new vehicle. It only makes sense.

There is after all some sort of autopact in effect. There has to be!
Yes, certain dealers will sell you a new car, but they're taking their chanceson losing their franchise, not to mention the buyer is taking a chance on being refused warranty work if buying brand new.


Assuming Mongo's new vehicle is brand new, I hope he made sure he won't have any warranty issues. I'm sure he did his research on that first though.

[methyl]

some people just refuse to search thats all, and whine that reading is hard.
i think most people here write at the sub-college level for online purposes, so I dont think its that difficult to read and understand most people's posts.

You're amusing.
What use is searching if every second thread about warranty contradicts the previous one?

In the worst case scenario, if you get a blown up engine or transmision you can tow it across the border for service. I suppose you shouldn't have any trouble getting service under warranty at a US dealership?

[Monsieurmaggot]

If Mazda US is publicly refusing to sell you a car, I would think that would contravene the free trade agreement.

I would look at www.naata.org (under "cross border sales in the courts" section) and see what the US federal court system thinks of that. That's a clear violation of the Sherman antitrust act.

I would imagine they are quietly threatening the smaller dealers.

Since many of the US dealers are part of multi-line retailers, I doubt Mazda or anyone else would have any teeth to stop them.

Interestingly of the three WNY Subaru dealers I've been speaking to, they all carry various brands. Everyone of them told me they have a very large Canadian clientele base.

In Subaru's case, Van Bortel in Rochester is the largest Subaru retailer in the US. I seriously doubt either side would try to change that.

As far as warranties go, too many people on this post are hung up on that aspect. You're playing right into the dealers hands. They live on the "doom and gloom". I seriously doubt I would ever need $10k - 15k in warranty work. That's what you're saving on a $30k US purchase. Buy third party warranties if it's that much of a concern.

If it's the warranty coverage that is stopping you from buying, you should not even consider the US purchase. The Canadian dealers are grasping at straws. Remember they also tell you that cars can't be imported. "LOOK AWAY FROM THE LIGHT". This post is intended to present you with an opportunity to save big money. You probably are the same type who buy extended warranties on electronics.

[last5oh_302]

I would look at www.naata.org (under "cross border sales in the courts" section) and see what the US federal court system thinks of that. That's a clear violation of the Sherman antitrust act.





Perhaps refusing warranty work in Canada is the manufacturers alternative around that?

[tzcnd]

That's all it is - your opinion. Until you have done your homework and imported a car yourself then it is only your opinion. Not a fact. If you did your homework you would find out that your opinion is wrong.




Oh no, say it isn't so!!

In my opinion, you won't find ANY manufacturers that will honour warranty on a brand new vehicle. It only makes sense.
.

[tzcnd]

I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!!!!!!

Canadians it's time to vote with your wallet.

If you enjoy bending over and taking it you know where then continue to buy your cars and other overpriced things in Canada. Please don't bother with the speech that this is hurting our economy. Ripping me off is hurting the economy because it means I have less money to spend on other things. A car is not $10000+ more in Canada because that money is for health care or whatever. It is more because the manufacturers know they can price it that high because most Canadians will bend over and take it yet again and thank them for charging too much.

If you are like myself and have had enough of this gouging, screwing (or whatever you want to call it) then vote with your feet and wallet and look south to save some serious bucks. If you do your homework and put in a little effort then you too can save $10000 or more and yes you can still have a warranty.

If you don't mind paying $10000+ more in Canada then go ahead and pay it. You obviously have more money than I do. You obviously have more dollars than sense.


By the way I would like to thank the members of RFD for their postings on this topic because of you I started to look into importing car, did my homework and just finished doing it myself. Thanks.

I think that someone else posted this but I would like to repeat it. After saving $10000 on a car all the other RFD just don't seem quite as good. I don't think that I will be able to get excited about a deal for $1.00 off toothpaste any more.

[james-007]

Oh no, say it isn't so!!

Glad I asked rather than sifting through multiple pages of contradictory posts.;)

In my opinion, you won't find ANY manufacturers that will honour warranty on a brand new vehicle. It only makes sense.

There is after all some sort of autopact in effect. There has to be!
Yes, certain dealers will sell you a new car, but they're taking their chanceson losing their franchise, not to mention the buyer is taking a chance on being refused warranty work if buying brand new.


Assuming Mongo's new vehicle is brand new, I hope he made sure he won't have any warranty issues. I'm sure he did his research on that first though.

Are you taking your foot out of your mouth just so you can put the other one in. Tell me something did you do any research warranty? I guess NOT because then you would know that Toyota honors warranty across North America. Easy way to find the truth just send an email "http://toyota.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/toyota.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php?"

Here a response I got "Thank you for contacting Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc.

In regards to your inquiry, the warranty is transferable between the United States, Canada, and Mexico."

[Tuppin]

Almost wonder if some desparate car dealers are posting here to sew seads of doubt.

Subaru is probably the most imported vehicle because:
The warranty is good
The cars need no mods...they have daytime running lights
you save so much $$$$$
The dealers in the US are glad to sell.
most models are made in the US so no duty.

Toyota is probably second because:
The warranty is good
you'll likely have to rig up daytime running lights
most dealers won't sell to Canadians

GM is also probably a good bet
The warranty will revert to the Canadian warranty after 6 months or 12000Km(not sure the exact mileage) You are on your own for the first 6 months.


As for the guy going to give his Canadian dealer $500.00 for good faith in service. I wouldn't bother....wait until/if you need warranty work done and then sweeten the pot a little if he's a little cranky about it all. After all I've owned a few vehicles that ran out of warranty without needing any warranty work done.

I'm driving a more luxurious (spelling??) and safer vehicle than I could afford in Canada....so if warranty work becomes an issue...I'll still believe I did the right thing. Service centers are not going to walk away from potential $$$$ they are usually independant of the sales dept.

[last5oh_302]

Are you taking your foot out of your mouth just so you can put the other one in. Tell me something did you do any research warranty? I guess NOT because then you would know that Toyota honors warranty across North America. Easy way to find the truth just send an email "http://toyota.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/toyota.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php?"

Here a response I got "Thank you for contacting Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc.

In regards to your inquiry, the warranty is transferable between the United States, Canada, and Mexico."


Try reading my posts on the previous page, then take your head out of your arse.
If you're accepting the wording in that e-mail as being valid for brand new cars, then I have some swamp land to sell you in Florida.

Nissan will not honour warranty on BRAND NEW vehicles, nor will Ford or Gm for that matter (as per 6 month/mileage deal mentioned above). That e-mail says nothing about brand new cars bought from the states. It says the warranty is transferable. Please, oh please Mr Wonderful, explain what that means to you.
Does it mean that if you're traveling in Mexico, or the US, or Canada, but you bought the vehicle in your country of residence that it will be honoured in other countries? Sounds to me like you were blinded by the wording, because that's all it means to me.

It's hilarious watching people claim they know this or that when in fact they're talking out their arse.

Your post is as misleading as many others are.

Sounds like I've done more research than you; either that or you're a sucker for punishment. Again, that e-mail you just quoted isn't worth the the paper you'll print it on.

[last5oh_302]

That's all it is - your opinion. Until you have done your homework and imported a car yourself then it is only your opinion. Not a fact. If you did your homework you would find out that your opinion is wrong.

Another arse talker.

I've done research. I never buy anything without doing research.

When somebody can actually show proof in writing, not some generic e-mail sent out to appease suckers, then speak up.

[last5oh_302]

I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!!!!!!

Canadians it's time to vote with your wallet.

If you enjoy bending over and taking it you know where then continue to buy your cars and other overpriced things in Canada. Please don't bother with the speech that this is hurting our economy. Ripping me off is hurting the economy because it means I have less money to spend on other things. A car is not $10000+ more in Canada because that money is for health care or whatever. It is more because the manufacturers know they can price it that high because most Canadians will bend over and take it yet again and thank them for charging too much.

If you are like myself and have had enough of this gouging, screwing (or whatever you want to call it) then vote with your feet and wallet and look south to save some serious bucks. If you do your homework and put in a little effort then you too can save $10000 or more and yes you can still have a warranty.

If you don't mind paying $10000+ more in Canada then go ahead and pay it. You obviously have more money than I do. You obviously have more dollars than sense.


By the way I would like to thank the members of RFD for their postings on this topic because of you I started to look into importing car, did my homework and just finished doing it myself. Thanks.

I think that someone else posted this but I would like to repeat it. After saving $10000 on a car all the other RFD just don't seem quite as good. I don't think that I will be able to get excited about a deal for $1.00 off toothpaste any more.


That was a great rant, but I still wonder if there are truly any car manufacturers out there that will honour warranty on brand new vehicles bought in the US.

[mrtimboalogo]

Try reading my posts on the previous page, then take your head out of your arse.
If you're accepting the wording in that e-mail as being valid for brand new cars, then I have some swamp land to sell you in Florida.

Nissan will not honour warranty on BRAND NEW vehicles, nor will Ford or Gm for that matter (as per 6 month/mileage deal mentioned above). That e-mail says nothing about brand new cars bought from the states. It says the warranty is transferable. Please, oh please Mr Wonderful, explain what that means to you.
Does it mean that if you're traveling in Mexico, or the US, or Canada, but you bought the vehicle in your country of residence that it will be honoured in other countries? Sounds to me like you were blinded by the wording, because that's all it means to me.

It's hilarious watching people claim they know this or that when in fact they're talking out their arse.

Your post is as misleading as many others are.

Sounds like I've done more research than you; either that or you're a sucker for punishment. Again, that e-mail you just quoted isn't worth the the paper you'll print it on.

It almost sounds like you are working for one of those Canadian dealers losing big bucks to people taking their business across the border.

You are trying awful hard to convince people against doing it:?: :?:

[royal]

quick question.. osrry if its random.. because the thread is too long and i havent kept up with it but....

Does these discounts apply to used cars aswell? i am looking to buy a 2003-4 MDX and i see it is relativley $3000 Cheaper there and here. Now:
1. what are my main costs if someone doesnt miind listing them? ex, tranposrt, daytime lights, buying privatized warranty
2.how much do cumtoms charge?
3.is it really worth the pain? or is it easy and like a days worth of work?

Thanks.

[last5oh_302]

It almost sounds like you are working for one of those Canadian dealers losing big bucks to people taking their business across the border.

You are trying awful hard to convince people against doing it:?: :?:

Nope, not at all. I'm seriously in the market for a Pathfinder and just reading to find whatever tips I can get. If I could buy new, then I would, but warranty is important to me. Like I said, I have no problem buying a slightly used Pathfinder with low low mileage, because then I'm assured that the warranty will be covered if I have any problems with it here in Canada.

Why would you say that? Because I'm opening a few eyes?

The fact of the matter is, I think that anybody that doesn't take advantage of importing their own vehicle is losing out huge. Like everything, you have to do your research first. Can you show me anything in this thread that indicates concretely that a certain manufacturer honours warranties on brand new US imported vehicles? If you can, then I guess I've been raining on everyone's parade.

[tzcnd]

Please don't buy a car from the U.S. This is obviously something that you do not feel comfortable doing.

So you join RFD today and all of a sudden you are the U.S. car buying warranty expert and everybody else is wrong. You are the only one who has done their homework and everyone else is a sucker. Out of the goodness of your heart you are here to save the day for anybody who is thinking about buying a car in the U.S.

Why don't you just admit that you work for a car manufacturer or a car dealership and it really gets under your skin seeing all of your potential customers heading south and saving big bucks. All of those commissions that you will never see must be driving you crazy.

Why don't you move on and look for another job outside of the automotive field.




Another arse talker.

I've done research. I never buy anything without doing research.

When somebody can actually show proof in writing, not some generic e-mail sent out to appease suckers, then speak up.

[last5oh_302]

Please don't buy a car from the U.S. This is obviously something that you do not feel comfortable doing.

So you join RFD today and all of a sudden you are the U.S. car buying warranty expert and everybody else is wrong. You are the only one who has done their homework and everyone else is a sucker. Out of the goodness of your heart you are here to save the day for anybody who is thinking about buying a car in the U.S.

Why don't you just admit that you work for a car manufacturer or a car dealership and it really gets under your skin seeing all of your potential customers heading south and saving big bucks. All of those commissions that you will never see must be driving you crazy.

Why don't you move on and look for another job outside of the automotive field.


LOL!! This is like the blind leading the blind. Show me PROOF!!!

I'll save you the effort. YOU CANT!!
You come in here rant a bunch of jibberish that means diddly.

Yeah, I'd buy that for a dollar.

Ah well. I thought I might learn something in this thread. Instead it's infested with morons..lol

I'll buy my Pathfinder in the states, and I'll have a warranty.
I was hoping there was a possibility to buy new, but I guess I was temporarily fooled like most others in here are. Word of warning to those that are listening. DO YOUR RESEARCH! I know for a fact Nissan will not honour warranty on a vehicle I import from the states that wasn't previously registered over there. I actually spoke to them instead of believing what people type on the net.

[st7860]

Please don't buy a car from the U.S. This is obviously something that you do not feel comfortable doing.

So you join RFD today and all of a sudden you are the U.S. car buying warranty expert and everybody else is wrong. You are the only one who has done their homework and everyone else is a sucker. Out of the goodness of your heart you are here to save the day for anybody who is thinking about buying a car in the U.S.

Why don't you just admit that you work for a car manufacturer or a car dealership and it really gets under your skin seeing all of your potential customers heading south and saving big bucks. All of those commissions that you will never see must be driving you crazy.

Why don't you move on and look for another job outside of the automotive field.


i think he's shilling for a car dealer

[last5oh_302]

i think he's shilling for a car dealer


Wow! I give.

[st7860]

give what?

[james-007]

RFDers this guy isn't worth fighting with truly find out for yourself. Toyota is covered in North America. Send toyota.com and .ca email yourself and ask them. Dealers may and will tell it's not covered because they don't want you to go across the border. I know my vehicle is covered and that's all the matters.

[betaboy00]

Mongo

Please clear your pm box.

I tried sending you a PM but your inbox is full.

or maybe you can give PM me your email address and I can correspond with you directly.

- I'm interested to know about your Toyota importing experiences, the dealers and etc..

Thanks for your time

[last5oh_302]

I just got off the phone with Toyota Canada. They have the exact same policy as Subaru. Any work on a vehicle has to be approved through Toyota USA and any bills from the Canadian dealership are to be paid by the US side.

I asked him if this ever causes issues, and he said it can, and sometimes it's a bit of a hassle, but it should work either way.

1-888-TOYOTA-8
or 1-888-869-6828
between 7:00am and 11:00pm Eastern time.

There! Now that's at least a concrete answer. I'll give Toyota credit at least because I emphasized that the vehicle I was talking about is brand new from the US, and that was his answer.

Nissan on the other hand will not. This is rumour, but I've heard German manufacturers won't honour warranty at all, even if it's used. I don't know how true that is though.

[Tuppin]

Somewhere back a few hundred pages was an article that discussed the various manufacturers and their warranty policies...maybe someone can do the work and find that article.

last5oh_302:
I think the reason people jumped on you is that you said you don't believe that any manufacturer would honour a new us car warranty in Canada. This is not true. Subaru and Toyota definitely will. We have people on here discussing having work done under warranty...I know people who have had these cars serviced. Nissan and Mazda are ones that I haven't heard about first hand experiences. The article I mentioned above seemed to indicate that the warranty for Nissan would be valid so your information is new but entirely plausible. Given this is the first time this has been mentioned, perhaps you should try asking Nissan Canada again....or even a local dealer.
I wonder how much work they would have to do to determine if a vehicle with say 10000 miles on it was purchased new or was preowned.

Toyota USA lost a class action lawsuit a few years back where they refused warranty work to Americans who bought Toyota's in Canada. That's probably why they honour the warranty but discourage cross border sales.

Anyhow, this warranty issue is a valid issue and while we know you are safe with a Subaru or a Toyota, or a GM after 6 months....other manufacturers seem to be less clear. So please, lets not discourage this discussion. We almost need a FAQ with confirmed information on warranty issues.

The other issue people need to keep in mind is where the car is made....6.1% duty applies to non north american built vehicles (such as a Pathfinder I think).

[GoiNGPoSTaL]

I just talked online with a Mazda US customer relations person and she told me that all American Mazda dealers have been instructed as of April 1, 2006 not to sell a car to anyone that is not going to first own it in the US for 6 months. When I further asked about the price discrepancy, she would not comment.

Can I or can I not buy a loaded Mazda 3 in say New York and then bring it across to Toronto, after the paper work. Will Mazda honour the warrenty ?

Side note: American version of the car will have a speedometer in miles per hour with the km/h in small print or not there at all ?? Correct ??

BMR

I'm interested as well as I'm considering the same car, Mazda 3 Sport GT, but just going by the invoice price from US Yahoo! auto (no incentives/rebates/haggling adjustment) after the import duty/tax the Mazda will be about the same price or more. What is different are the standard features: the US version has leather, TC/Stability, and tire pressure monitor; the Canadian version has heated mirrors and daytime running lights. I'm not going to add the options as I'll probably go the aftermarket route. So yeah I think it will end up more or the about same (after DRL mod but no ridiculous PDI and Destination) depending on how much the dealer is willing to drop the price/rebates/incentives.

[last5oh_302]

Somewhere back a few hundred pages was an article that discussed the various manufacturers and their warranty policies...maybe someone can do the work and find that article.

last5oh_302:
I think the reason people jumped on you is that you said you don't believe that any manufacturer would honour a new us car warranty in Canada. This is not true. Subaru and Toyota definitely will. We have people on here discussing having work done under warranty...I know people who have had these cars serviced. Nissan and Mazda are ones that I haven't heard about first hand experiences. The article I mentioned above seemed to indicate that the warranty for Nissan would be valid so your information is new but entirely plausible. Given this is the first time this has been mentioned, perhaps you should try asking Nissan Canada again....or even a local dealer.
I wonder how much work they would have to do to determine if a vehicle with say 10000 miles on it was purchased new or was preowned.

Toyota USA lost a class action lawsuit a few years back where they refused warranty work to Americans who bought Toyota's in Canada. That's probably why they honour the warranty but discourage cross border sales.

Anyhow, this warranty issue is a valid issue and while we know you are safe with a Subaru or a Toyota, or a GM after 6 months....other manufacturers seem to be less clear. So please, lets not discourage this discussion. We almost need a FAQ with confirmed information on warranty issues.

The other issue people need to keep in mind is where the car is made....6.1% duty applies to non north american built vehicles (such as a Pathfinder I think).


Well said Tuppin and I agree. The Pathfinder is actually made in the states, so I'd be safe on duties.
Funny you mention calling Nissan back because I just hung up the phone trying to get ahold of them. Their business hours are only until 6pm. Now I'm a bit upset that Nissan won't, so I'll drfinitely give them another ing tomorrow during business hours.

As for them determining whether the vehicle was previously owned; that involves a simple carfax report which indicates all tranfers of ownership as well as the mileage on the vehicle when those transactions took place.

[jstaneon]

Does anyone know if the 93-98 Toyota Supra is ok to import? I did not specifically see it on the "inadmissable" list, but I did read on a Supra message forum that there maybe be some difficulties importing one to Canada.

Thanks

[parlaminty]

Why is everyone interested in buying cars like Subaru, Toyotas, etc etc.

Why not buy great cars like BMW's, Mercedes, etc. The costs are so cheap in the US for these vehicles. I just bought a 2004 BMW Z4 convertible with only 30K for $30K Cdn.

If your going to buy a car, buy something that you couldnt afford here in Canada, but can afford to buy b/c of the cheap prices in the US.

For 30K in canada, I couldn't even buy a brand new Grand Am. Instead I am driving a Beemer that is practically brand new and flawless.

I understand people have different incomes, but I just finished school 5 months ago and, since i needed a car, I got the Beemer. Flashy, sexy, great car, for the same price as a crappy domestic GM.

CMon, deep down inside we all want a flashy car. That's why this thread helps us save so much and allows us to understand how to buy that flashy car.

[Gromit]

Try reading my posts on the previous page, then take your head out of your arse.
If you're accepting the wording in that e-mail as being valid for brand new cars, then I have some swamp land to sell you in Florida.

Straight out of the NEW Toyota Owner's Warranty Information booklet:

"Obtaining Warranty Service"

In the United States, US Territories, and Canada: Take your vehicle to an authorized Toyota Dealership.

Outside the United States, US Territories, and Canada:
Contact a local dealership. Note that your vehicle may not be repaired free of charge because the local Toyota distributor may have no obligation to provide warranty service for your vehicle."

There is *zero* doubt about this. Toyotas are fully covered. It's why it's generally the vehicle of choice to import.

Why not buy great cars like BMW's, Mercedes, etc.

A great many people would dispute putting the word 'great' with BMW and Mercedes. Some of us like to drive our vehicles, not have them repaired constantly. ;)

[last5oh_302]

A great many people would dispute putting the word 'great' with BMW and Mercedes. Some of us like to drive our vehicles, not have them repaired constantly. ;)

I agree whole heartedly. People buy Toyota's, Subaru's etc because of the reliability factor. Just about everything German has issues. You can go ahead and get that flashy car, if that's what you're into, but that's all it will be.
Just read JD Powers ratings, or Consumers Reports. Mercedes are one of the most unreliable, troublesome cars out there, right along with VW, BMW et al.
Best part of it all is that when you have problems with your Beemer, Mercedes, Audi whatever, the dealerships don't know how to fix them.

Just ask anybody that's owned one. I know a few people that have owned VW's, and all the above I mentioned was true about them. My father bought a brand new Audi A8 a couple of years ago. Long story short, he had a problem with it, they couldn't figure out what was wrong, so they sent him a new car from Germany eventually after a long struggle.


Like I mentioned above. I heard they don't cover warranty on German cars when imported, but again, that's just a rumour because I haven't checked.

[scouzi]

Straight out of the NEW Toyota Owner's Warranty Information booklet:

"Obtaining Warranty Service"

In the United States, US Territories, and Canada: Take your vehicle to an authorized Toyota Dealership.

Outside the United States, US Territories, and Canada:
Contact a local dealership. Note that your vehicle may not be repaired free of charge because the local Toyota distributor may have no obligation to provide warranty service for your vehicle."

There is *zero* doubt about this. Toyotas are fully covered. It's why it's generally the vehicle of choice to import.



A great many people would dispute putting the word 'great' with BMW and Mercedes. Some of us like to drive our vehicles, not have them repaired constantly. ;)


Was that out of a US purchased Toyota booklet or a Canadian purchased booklet?

Can anyone look into their Subaru warranty booklet to see what it "officially" says?

[Pseudo Nim]

Was that out of a US purchased Toyota booklet or a Canadian purchased booklet?

Can anyone look into their Subaru warranty booklet to see what it "officially" says?

I have a Canadian Subaru - I can check what the warranty says, but I suppose the USA Subarus are more of a key point here.

To the poster above re: reliability of Subarus and Toyotas... I must be the only odd one out, since I've replaced the muffler, the rear differential, the front diff, and the transmission, along with heat shields and various minor parts on my 05 Impreza (on the upside, half of it is brand new I guess :P - the only truly original part is the engine still, hehe). Still love it dearly and will buy again, mind you, but will make sure to buy new for warranty reasons :)

[bionicbadger]

Why is everyone interested in buying cars like Subaru, Toyotas, etc etc.

Why not buy great cars like BMW's, Mercedes, etc.

The reasons are warranty transferabillity, and import duty. The toyotas and subarus are built in north american and people don't have to pay an extra 6.1% bringing them across the border. Most BMW, Mercedes, Audi, etc. are built in Germany and you would be dinged an extra 6.1% when you bring it to Canada. And the BMWs assembeled in the states (the little roadster and the SUV) are crap wagons to begin with.

[Pseudo Nim]

The reasons are warranty transferabillity, and import duty. The toyotas and subarus are built in north american and people don't have to pay an extra 6.1% bringing them across the border. Most BMW, Mercedes, Audi, etc. are built in Germany and you would be dinged an extra 6.1% when you bring it to Canada. And the BMWs assembeled in the states (the little roadster and the SUV) are crap wagons to begin with.

There's a lot wrong with what you said. #1: Not all Subarus are made in the US. The better ones (Imprezas) are made in Japan and imported directly. The Outbacks and Tribecas are made in Indiana. #2: Notwithstanding the fact that the X3s and X5s are not bad cars in and out of themselves, which "little roadster" do you refer to? The Z4? I'll have you know the Jeremy (Clarkson) loves the Z4M, and there's nothing crap about it. On what basis do you make that statement?

[last5oh_302]

The article I mentioned above seemed to indicate that the warranty for Nissan would be valid so your information is new but entirely plausible. Given this is the first time this has been mentioned, perhaps you should try asking Nissan Canada again....or even a local dealer.


I just called Nissan Canada and Nissan USA. Nissan Canada told me to call Nissan USA. Nissan USA told me that when importing to Canada, for Nissan USA to cover the warranty, the vehicle must have been registered in the US for at least 6 months, and that there is no mileage restriction.
This is basically the same thing Nissan Canada told me last time I called.

[Tuppin]

There's a lot wrong with what you said. #1: Not all Subarus are made in the US. The better ones (Imprezas) are made in Japan and imported directly. The Outbacks and Tribecas are made in Indiana. #2: Notwithstanding the fact that the X3s and X5s are not bad cars in and out of themselves, which "little roadster" do you refer to? The Z4? I'll have you know the Jeremy (Clarkson) loves the Z4M, and there's nothing crap about it. On what basis do you make that statement?


Well, I don't know about the BMW's....I like the Z4...
But back at you....how can you say the better Subaru's (Impreza's) are made in Japan. On what basis do you make that statement? The engines are mostly made in Japan and are shared between models. The same engine is in the Japan built Impreza and Forester as is in the US built Legacy and Outback. They all have similar reliability. Actually the US built Legacy and Tribeca are on the list of top 13 safest vehicles while the Impreza is not. Reliability reports have been pretty much the same for all Subaru's. So I don't think people need worry that the US built Subaru's are in any way inferior to Japan built ones. In fact, the Indiana Subaru factory will soon be making Camray's....and we all know they tend to be reliable.

[Pseudo Nim]

Well, I don't know about the BMW's....I like the Z4...
But back at you....how can you say the better Subaru's (Impreza's) are made in Japan. On what basis do you make that statement? The engines are mostly made in Japan and are shared between models. The same engine is in the Japan built Impreza and Forester as is in the US built Legacy and Outback. They all have similar reliability. Actually the US built Legacy and Tribeca are on the list of top 13 safest vehicles while the Impreza is not. Reliability reports have been pretty much the same for all Subaru's. So I don't think people need worry that the US built Subaru's are in any way inferior to Japan built ones. In fact, the Indiana Subaru factory will soon be making Camray's....and we all know they tend to be reliable.

Yeah, I knew the Impreza statement would come back at me. It's purely personal opinion, I admit; but I find Outbacks and Legacies handle like boats. The Outbacks' suspension is much too high and the wheels are too high-profile, which results in a mushy ride; and the suspension of the Legacies is way too soft, which results in awful corner handling, especially on our crap roads where you never know when you'll hit a bump and lose traction. This doesn't apply to the Legacy Spec B: the suspension is completely redone on that one. Imprezas are more basic, for sure, but I find they are more fun to drive.

But, like my dealer says, a Legacy turbo is a presentable car to take to a client meeting, while a WRX STi wouldn't be quite in the right spot. But you know what? I don't care. :) I'd take an STi to a polo club meeting and not give a damn.

[methyl]

Anyone knows where to look up the working hours of the Can border service agency at the niagara crossings?
I found http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/contact/listing/indexpages/index_full-e.html and http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/contact/listing/offices/office1003-e.html for peace bridge but not sure that this is the right information. Someone stated that niagara crossings cannot be used for importation during the weekends.

Also, what about the US side for export, anyone aware of the operating hours?

I'm looking to do this on a weekend.

thanks

[scouzi]

Has anyone purchased one of these?

They seem to be discounting the MSRP on fully loaded 2006 7 psx/DVD/NAV/Leather by around $6k-$7k US Does this sound like a good price?

The MSRP is around $US 38,350.

[Gromit]

Was that out of a US purchased Toyota booklet or a Canadian purchased booklet?

That's the booklet that came with my US Toyota.

[bionicbadger]

There's a lot wrong with what you said. #1: Not all Subarus are made in the US. The better ones (Imprezas) are made in Japan and imported directly. The Outbacks and Tribecas are made in Indiana. #2: Notwithstanding the fact that the X3s and X5s are not bad cars in and out of themselves, which "little roadster" do you refer to? The Z4? I'll have you know the Jeremy (Clarkson) loves the Z4M, and there's nothing crap about it. On what basis do you make that statement?

I didn't say all subaru's, i was refering to the ones in the thread that people are importing.

as for #2 yes I guess its the z4, i think bmw only make one roadster. I base my opinion on talking to the owner of one, listening to the problems he's had with it, and taken a ride in it. But if Jeremey Clarkson loves it, well then it must be the best car in the whole world; and people that actually own the car instead of only driving on the track for a couple hours must be wrong.

[scouzi]

That's the booklet that came with my US Toyota.

Cool! Thanks. Once you've got the car and the booklet you're safe even if they change the policy in the future.

[tzcnd]

In the Niagara area you can only use the Queenston-Lewiston bridge to export a vehicle. Canada Customs will do the export paperwork anytime but the U.S. side is only open 9AM-4PM weekdays. If you get there at 4:01PM you'll be staying overnight in Buffalo.

You won't be exporting on a weekend.

You also have to fax your paperwork (MSO) to U.S. customs 72 hours before you plan to export.

If you cross at Detroit you can export 24-7.






Anyone knows where to look up the working hours of the Can border service agency at the niagara crossings?
I found http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/contact/listing/indexpages/index_full-e.html and http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/contact/listing/offices/office1003-e.html for peace bridge but not sure that this is the right information. Someone stated that niagara crossings cannot be used for importation during the weekends.

Also, what about the US side for export, anyone aware of the operating hours?

I'm looking to do this on a weekend.

thanks

[Tuppin]

Has anyone purchased one of these?

They seem to be discounting the MSRP on fully loaded 2006 7 psx/DVD/NAV/Leather by around $6k-$7k US Does this sound like a good price?

The MSRP is around $US 38,350.


I got a demo 7 pass limited with nav for under 30K Canadian (when exchange was 1.112). My dad just got an 07 5 pass limited with no nav for 30K US. Check out www.cars101.com for pricing info...keep in mind some places like the east have 1250 cash back on 07Tribecas.

[scouzi]

I got a demo 7 pass limited with nav for under 30K Canadian (when exchange was 1.112). My dad just got an 07 5 pass limited with no nav for 30K US. Check out www.cars101.com for pricing info...keep in mind some places like the east have 1250 cash back on 07Tribecas.

Wow, seems like you bought at the CDN peak! How much mileage was on yours?

I was quoted about $US 31,700 for a brand new 06 7 psx limited NAV/DVD. For some reason, the DVD costs about $1800 US more. I'd rather get the DVD and no NAV, but that's not possible.

The 7 psx limited NAV but without DVD was about $US 30500.

There are very few 06 demos left.

[last5oh_302]

Wow, seems like you bought at the CDN peak! How much mileage was on yours?

I was quoted about $US 31,700 for a brand new 06 7 psx limited NAV/DVD. For some reason, the DVD costs about $1800 US more. I'd rather get the DVD and no NAV, but that's not possible.

The 7 psx limited NAV but without DVD was about $US 30500.

There are very few 06 demos left.


I just did a quick search and there are a few of them available for better prices. I assume that since they're considered used, you'd also save on freight, PDI, etc etc, and the mileage on thIS is as good if not better than a demo. This one has DVD and GPS and 4000 milies. I also noticed that this dealer has a few 7 passenger Trebeca's for sale with very low mileage:

http://images.autotrader.com/images/2006/12/15/213/800/1358518540.213800052.IM1.08.565x421_A.562x421.jpg
http://images.autotrader.com/images/2006/12/15/213/800/1358518539.213800052.IM1.09.565x421_A.562x421.jpg

This one is in New York as well. New York doesn't charge state tax to out of state/country buyers.


2006 Subaru B9 Tribeca 7-Passenger
$27,386


Here's the link, if it works:

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=213800052&dealer_id=575930&car_year=2006&search_type=used&num_records=25&keywordsfyc=&make=SUB&model=B9TRIBECA&transmission=&distance=0&address=14304&make2=&only_price=1&default_sort=mileageASC&advanced=y&certified=&max_mileage=15000&max_price=&sort_type=mileageASC&min_price=&feature4=leather+seats&only_photo=1&body_code=0&end_year=2007&keywordsrep=&color=&start_year=2006&color3=&drive=&color2=&engine=&fuel=&doors=&style_flag=1&cardist=293

[scouzi]

I just did a quick search and there are a few of them available for better prices. I assume that since they're considered used, you'd also save on freight, PDI, etc etc, and the mileage on thIS is as good if not better than a demo. This one has DVD and GPS and 4000 milies. I also noticed that this dealer has a few 7 passenger Trebeca's for sale with very low mileage:

http://images.autotrader.com/images/2006/12/15/213/800/1358518540.213800052.IM1.08.565x421_A.562x421.jpg
http://images.autotrader.com/images/2006/12/15/213/800/1358518539.213800052.IM1.09.565x421_A.562x421.jpg

This one is in New York as well. New York doesn't charge state tax to out of state/country buyers.


2006 Subaru B9 Tribeca 7-Passenger
$27,386


Here's the link, if it works:

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=213800052&dealer_id=575930&car_year=2006&search_type=used&num_records=25&keywordsfyc=&make=SUB&model=B9TRIBECA&transmission=&distance=0&address=14304&make2=&only_price=1&default_sort=mileageASC&advanced=y&certified=&max_mileage=15000&max_price=&sort_type=mileageASC&min_price=&feature4=leather+seats&only_photo=1&body_code=0&end_year=2007&keywordsrep=&color=&start_year=2006&color3=&drive=&color2=&engine=&fuel=&doors=&style_flag=1&cardist=293


Thanks. This guy seems to have a lo of used low mileage ones. He's a bit further than from my place that I wanted.

Since he'e got a lot, I wonder if they are not weather dammaged cars. I guess I'd have to get a carfax subscription to get the full history.

[last5oh_302]

Thanks. This guy seems to have a lo of used low mileage ones. He's a bit further than from my place that I wanted.

Since he'e got a lot, I wonder if they are not weather dammaged cars. I guess I'd have to get a carfax subscription to get the full history.

I doubt there's anything wrong with them. I thought that one showed the carfax report. Maybe not, but some of them do.
Why would you think they were weather damaged?

When I do my searches for Pathfinders, I find a lot of very low mileage one's, but I've also noticed that what appear to be the best deals, are always out in Utah, or Texas. I'm not willing to go that far, but I'd take the trip down to North Carolina for example, or Boston, Chicago, or Virginia.

[scouzi]

I doubt there's anything wrong with them. I thought that one showed the carfax report. Maybe not, but some of them do.
Why would you think they were weather damaged?

When I do my searches for Pathfinders, I find a lot of very low mileage one's, but I've also noticed that what appear to be the best deals, are always out in Utah, or Texas. I'm not willing to go that far, but I'd take the trip down to North Carolina for example, or Boston, Chicago, or Virginia.

There was a windstorm that swep through the Subaru plant in Indianna a while back and it dammged some cars in the yard.

[ziploc]

Hi,
I have searched the tread but didn't find the info...

Is Kia and Hyundai US warranty good in Canada ???

Thx in advance for answers

[last5oh_302]

:eek: There was a windstorm that swep through the Subaru plant in Indianna a while back and it dammged some cars in the yard.


Oh! ..and dealers are now selling them??:confused:

[scouzi]

:eek:


Oh! ..and dealers are now selling them??:confused:

I don't have a lot of information on that. But I'm sure they weren't destroyed. Some dealers were selling them cheap with full disclosure about it.

However, I might just be a little too paranoid.

Edit (But..)

My DD shows this:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=993185

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103585

http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/2002/jan/jan14b_02.html

I am paranoid. Not buying from them at any price

Interesting Subaru Dealership reviews:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=57

[last5oh_302]

I don't have a lot of information on that. But I'm sure they weren't destroyed. Some dealers were selling them cheap with full disclosure about it.

However, I might just be a little too paranoid.

Edit (But..)

My DD shows this:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=993185

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103585

http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/2002/jan/jan14b_02.html

I am paranoid. Not buying from them at any price

Interesting Subaru Dealership reviews:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=57

Wow! How'd you find all that? Just using Google?
I'd like to have easy access to something like that when looking at Nissan dealerships.

If you look at this page there are quite a few 7 passenger Subbies close to the same price that the above dealership has them for. They can't all be criminals :(

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/searchresults.jsp?num_records=25&search_type=both&distance=0&address=14304&style_flag=1&make=SUB&model=B9TRIBECA&make2=&start_year=2006&end_year=2007&min_price=&max_price=&transmission=&engine=&drive=&doors=&fuel=&max_mileage=15000&color=&feature4=leather+seats&keywordsfyc=&only_photo=1&only_price=1&sort_type=mileageASC&body_code=0&certified=&advanced=y&default_sort=mileageASC&keywordsrep=

Edit* I just realized you're a member of that Subbie site. There's some great info there.

[scouzi]

Wow! How'd you find all that? Just using Google?
I'd like to have easy access to something like that when looking at Nissan dealerships.

If you look at this page there are quite a few 7 passenger Subbies close to the same price that the above dealership has them for. They can't all be criminals :(

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/searchresults.jsp?num_records=25&search_type=both&distance=0&address=14304&style_flag=1&make=SUB&model=B9TRIBECA&make2=&start_year=2006&end_year=2007&min_price=&max_price=&transmission=&engine=&drive=&doors=&fuel=&max_mileage=15000&color=&feature4=leather+seats&keywordsfyc=&only_photo=1&only_price=1&sort_type=mileageASC&body_code=0&certified=&advanced=y&default_sort=mileageASC&keywordsrep=

Edit* I just realized you're a member of that Subbie site. There's some great info there.

Thanks! I wonder if we should be worried about the availability of such a high number of low mileage B9 Tribecas.

That particular dealer really stands out as being unpopular. Maybe it's because he sells a lot of cars.

I never knew I was a member! I'm only a member of edmunds. Maybe someone else has my nickname.

[last5oh_302]

That particular dealer really stands out as being unpopular. Maybe it's because he sells a lot of cars.

I never knew I was a member! I'm only a member of edmunds. Maybe someone else has my nickname.

I just assumed you were a member since most of your info was from the same forum/board.

Yeah, does that dealer ever standout.

Nissan probably doesn't have any bad dealers like Subaru does anyway ;)

[last5oh_302]

Thanks! I wonder if we should be worried about the availability of such a high number of low mileage B9 Tribecas.




If it's a concern, I'd stick with 07's. We're already there, and there should be a few demo's and offlease vehicles becoming available in the next couple of months or so anyway.

[Tuppin]

Most of those low mileage Tribecas are fleet vehicles or rental vehicles. I wouldn't be too concerned with the large number as there are just as many or more 06 outbacks out there as well....for the same reasons. If I had time to wait, I might wait until April when the 08 touchup comes out....rumoured to have a new nose design and perhaps a 3.3l engine. That's when the 07's will be reduced relatively early in the season.

[lw132324]

I'm interested in buying a new Lexus from US, but I was told by the dealer at Buffalo only can buy used cars and they won't sell new one to me. Does anyone here have the experience in buying new Lexus from US can share some information with me?

Thanks a lot!

[ivsp]

anyone have a rough estimate of how much would 3rd party warranty be for honda civic?

[mrtimboalogo]

I'm interested in buying a new Lexus from US, but I was told by the dealer at Buffalo only can buy used cars and they won't sell new one to me. Does anyone here have the experience in buying new Lexus from US can share some information with me?

Thanks a lot!

Tell them they have to sell to you under the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA)between Canada the USA and Mexico!
I think it is about time people started reminding these dealers of this!
Good luck;)

[MMMM]

3rd party warrenty for a civic would roughly be 2000.00 for three years.

I went with the following, but there are many available.

http://www.securewarranty.ca/drive.html

[gotoend]

Hi, All

I have read more than half of the posts, if brand new car has problems to import here, then how about two other alternatives:

1. Ebay motor: some sellers will ship worldwide but most of them without warranty. I am contacting them for more details now. I had lots of experience dealing with ebay, but not motor. so let us see...

2. buy from private seller or maybe from my relatives: I know that they will pay the sales tax when they purchase the car. but when they resell it to me, it is not brand new anymore, price mark down is possible(extremly case, would be "Gift"), then this could compensate the US sales tax for sure.

anyone ever received car as a gift from US relatives? how that works? still pay GST/PST based on market value or what? where we transfer the title? US or Canada? comments please. thanks

[Prof]

Hi, All

I have read more than half of the posts, if brand new car has problems to import here, then how about two other alternatives:

1. Ebay motor: some sellers will ship worldwide but most of them without warranty. I am contacting them for more details now. I had lots of experience dealing with ebay, but not motor. so let us see...

2. buy from private seller or maybe from my relatives: I know that they will pay the sales tax when they purchase the car. but when they resell it to me, it is not brand new anymore, price mark down is possible(extremly case, would be "Gift"), then this could compensate the US sales tax for sure.

anyone ever received car as a gift from US relatives? how that works? still pay GST/PST based on market value or what? where we transfer the title? US or Canada? comments please. thanks

As for tax, here we pay the going rate as a percentage the greater of the book value or what we paid. When I brought a car (family estate willed to me) in from AB years ago, the agent asked what I paid. Even when I explained that it was an estate vehicle, she wanted to know what I paid. The intent was for me to pay the max PST. In the end, we settled on a fair value. So, if a SK resident were to bring in a used vehicle, our gov't likely wouldn't care about the value on the bill of sale. It will assign it's own, reasonable or not. As for GST, I don't know.

[kud0s69]

Tag for later.

[djayboi]

I'm looking to buy a new 2007 Jeep Wrangler.

Is is better for me to purchase this vehicle from here in Canada or in the States.

any comments is appreciated.

thanks!

[inspire]

I'm interested in buying a new Lexus from US, but I was told by the dealer at Buffalo only can buy used cars and they won't sell new one to me. Does anyone here have the experience in buying new Lexus from US can share some information with me?

Thanks a lot!

Tell them they have to sell to you under the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA)between Canada the USA and Mexico!
I think it is about time people started reminding these dealers of this!
Good luck;)

^ No ... while that might be true ... I know for a fact that some dealerships will be fined from corporate office if they sell a new car intended for export to Canada. For instance, I live in southwestern Ontario ... Lexus and Honda dealerships cannot sell new cars directly to Canadians. (I wanted to pick up a new IS350 but got shot down pretty fast.)

Instead, I bought a 2007 Acura TSX for a US$27,000. As in earlier posts, I followed the RIV instructions, had the necessary paperwork on hand, paid the necessary taxes, got the Canadian Tire inspections, and finally have Ontario license plates. I figure after taxes, I paid C$37,000 for the car. MSRP for the TSX in Canada is C$38,000 (before freight, license, taxes) so I think I did pretty well for myself.

As for warranty -- I'm pretty sure it's up to the dealership (in Canada) to do any warranty work (ie good will). I think most won't touch my car until after the warranty runs out. Luckily, I commute each day to the US so getting warranty work / regular service to be done shouldn't be an issue.

Now ... as someone has said ... a dealership has the right to refuse business. Using 'NAFTA' as a reason to sell you. Sorry -- doesn't fly. If McDonald's has the right to refuse service (ie no shirt, no shoes) ... I think a car dealership can refuse to sell you something if they choose to. Heck, they can ask you to leave the premises since it is private property. You're in America -- you have to abide by their rules.

My $0.02 ...

[scouzi]

^ No ... while that might be true ... I know for a fact that some dealerships will be fined from corporate office if they sell a new car intended for export to Canada. For instance, I live in southwestern Ontario ... Lexus and Honda dealerships cannot sell new cars directly to Canadians. (I wanted to pick up a new IS350 but got shot down pretty fast.)

Instead, I bought a 2007 Acura TSX for a US$27,000. As in earlier posts, I followed the RIV instructions, had the necessary paperwork on hand, paid the necessary taxes, got the Canadian Tire inspections, and finally have Ontario license plates. I figure after taxes, I paid C$37,000 for the car. MSRP for the TSX in Canada is C$38,000 (before freight, license, taxes) so I think I did pretty well for myself.

As for warranty -- I'm pretty sure it's up to the dealership (in Canada) to do any warranty work (ie good will). I think most won't touch my car until after the warranty runs out. Luckily, I commute each day to the US so getting warranty work / regular service to be done shouldn't be an issue.

Now ... as someone has said ... a dealership has the right to refuse business. Using 'NAFTA' as a reason to sell you. Sorry -- doesn't fly. If McDonald's has the right to refuse service (ie no shirt, no shoes) ... I think a car dealership can refuse to sell you something if they choose to. Heck, they can ask you to leave the premises since it is private property. You're in America -- you have to abide by their rules.

My $0.02 ...

I agree 100% . There is no law that forces someone to sell you something. You have the choice to buy if you want. Sellers have a choice to not sell you something.

Anti-trust laws don't work here because there is no monopoly situation.

[michelb]

As for warranty -- I'm pretty sure it's up to the dealership (in Canada) to do any warranty work (ie good will). I think most won't touch my car until after the warranty runs out. Luckily, I commute each day to the US so getting warranty work / regular service to be done shouldn't be an issue.



Not to be the bearer of bad news but I'm not sure if your car is even under warranty in the US either. From my understanding (although I could certainly be wrong) I thought that even Honda USA (i.e. Acura) would no longer warranty a Honda imported into Canada even in the US if you exported it from US to Canada while not being a US resident who was relocating to Canada when you bought it (Warranties on Hondas remain valid if a US resident buys in the US and then relocates to Canada (probably requires registering in the US first)). (I was interested in importing an S2000 before and did a bit of research and that's the impression I got)

Good luck and please let us know if I'm wrong and you are able to get warranty (actually if you have some spare time one day, when you are in the US it should be pretty easy to go to any dealership, give them your VIN and ask if your car is still on warranty (you could probably even do it over the phone)).

[inspire]

Good luck and please let us know if I'm wrong and you are able to get warranty (actually if you have some spare time one day, when you are in the US it should be pretty easy to go to any dealership, give them your VIN and ask if your car is still on warranty (you could probably even do it over the phone)).

Funny thing is that the dealership I bought the car from ... I think they entered my street address, but their city + zip code in the Hondalink database. Not sure if it's "dishonest" (since I did not submit this data) but I have the impression that the dealership will help me out if any problems result from any manfacturer's concerns.

I seriously hope nothing will go wrong with the car. Built in Japan (VIN starts with the letter 'J") and this is the 4th model year (in a traditional Honda 5 yr production run) so most of the 'bugs' have been ironed out. Furthermore, I have never had problems with Honda products since the '91 Accord EX my father passed down to me (bought new).

Now ... my next car will be a RWD coupe. The new Accord concept is to appear at the Detroit Autoshow next week ... I hope I am thoroughly surprised at how good it looks ... because right now ... 2nd gen G35 coupe is in my sights.

Sorry if I go off-topic... I'll look and see my warranty status is next time I go to the dealership at the 6500 mile oil change.

PS Although Acura is a subsidiary of Honda ... it seems their corporate policy is different with sales to Canadians ... so I am extrapolating this information to speculate that the warranty still holds.

[michelb]

Funny thing is that the dealership I bought the car from ... I think they entered my street address, but their city + zip code in the Hondalink database. Not sure if it's "dishonest" (since I did not submit this data) but I have the impression that the dealership will help me out if any problems result from any manfacturer's concerns.

...

Sorry if I go off-topic... I'll look and see my warranty status is next time I go to the dealership at the 6500 mile oil change.

PS Although Acura is a subsidiary of Honda ... it seems their corporate policy is different with sales to Canadians ... so I am extrapolating this information to speculate that the warranty still holds.

I wouldn't be surprised if the US dealership does whatever it can to keep your warranty active since bottom line, if they can do warranty work, Acura/Honda will pay them so it's in their interest to do it.

Let us know if/when you find out. Good luck.

[MMMM]

michelb/inspire

Honda/Acura warrenties do not transfer from the states. The warrenty is not valid in the US either. The only way around this is to have a US address(not PO BOX #) and register the vehicle on that address with Honda. The dealer I bought at offered this to me if I had a US address.

TSB's and recalls are available for all vehicles including Honda/Acura's on either side of the border for the life of the car.

Generally the cash you save would easily cover any warrenty costs. As a side note the amount saved on Honda S2000's is huge. Buy one in the states, bring it over, buy a third party warrenty and laugh all the way to the bank.

[scouzi]

michelb/inspire

Honda/Acura warrenties do not transfer from the states. The warrenty is not valid in the US either. The only way around this is to have a US address(not PO BOX #) and register the vehicle on that address with Honda. The dealer I bought at offered this to me if I had a US address.

TSB's and recalls are available for all vehicles including Honda/Acura's on either side of the border for the life of the car.

Generally the cash you save would easily cover any warrenty costs. As a side note the amount saved on Honda S2000's is huge. Buy one in the states, bring it over, buy a third party warrenty and laugh all the way to the bank.


How do the 3rd party warranties work anyways? Do you have to pay the repairs and ask for a refund after or the dealer takes care of it all.

If you buy a Honda in the States and get it serviced in Canada at a Honda dealer with the 3rd party warranty, how will the dealer deal with that?

I can't imagine the dealer being too friendly in this situation.

[michelb]

How do the 3rd party warranties work anyways? Do you have to pay the repairs and ask for a refund after or the dealer takes care of it all.

If you buy a Honda in the States and get it serviced in Canada at a Honda dealer with the 3rd party warranty, how will the dealer deal with that?

I can't imagine the dealer being too friendly in this situation.

My experience with 3rd party warranties hasn't been great (more on this later) but they should work fine in this scenerio however when you buy it, make sure they are aware that the car is no longer covered on the manufacturers original warranty (i.e. make sure they don't think that your not just buying an extended warranty)

As far as the 3rd party warranty, I've had some for 2 cars and they were a bit of a pain; the garage gets paid directly so you don't have to worry about that (although there's often a deductible you're responsible for) but the problem is that the garage (probably same as with a manufacturers warranty) needs to get any repair work approved. The annoying part in my experience was that getting the approval was sometimes difficult or took a lot of time or in other cases they'd insist that used/remanufactured/3rd party parts had to be used, etc.

As far as the dealers don't really care since in the end, they get paid one way or another but it is a bit more hassle for them and the time is sometimes an issue (i.e. if it takes 2 hours to get the approval, they'll start working on another car and by the time they do get the approval (and the finish the other cars they started working on while waiting on yours), it could be too late to finish so you end up having to wait for the next day to get your car back). Getting loaner cars would be an issue as well (with my policy I think I got a loaner car if there was $500+ of work needed however I couldn't get the car until the $500 of work was actually approved (i.e. if I brought the car in the morning, I often wouldn't know by noon if the warranty company would pay for a loaner - by then it's kind of too late so I'd make other plans). Finally, there's often a lot of small print in 'bumper-to-bumper' 3rd party warranties. That being said, it does give piece of mind so might not be a bad idea anyway (and I think they are pretty cheap in the States although obviously you have to make sure you'll be covered in Canada after you import the car).

[Monsieurmaggot]

I think my poll question ran it's course.

Even with the Canadian dollar in the 85 cent range, the savings in the US are still amazing albeit not as great as they were when the dollar was at 88 cents.

MichelB, didn't you have some suggestions for new Poll Questions?

[michelb]

I think my poll question ran it's course.

Even with the Canadian dollar in the 85 cent range, the savings in the US are still amazing albeit not as great as they were when the dollar was at 88 cents.

MichelB, didn't you have some suggestions for new Poll Questions?

Thanks for remembering :)

Can't remember exactly what I proposed (I think it was several pages back) but I think it was something like:

For those who've bought new or used cars since seeing this thread, did you:

1) Buy a car in the US because it offered significant savings or model (options) not offered in Canada
2) Buy a car in Canada because of warranty concerns
3) Buy a car in Canada because didn't think savings significant enough for trouble
4) Leased/financed a car in Canada simply because it couldn't be done with US vehicle
5) Haven't bought yet but will most likely buy next car in US
6) Haven't bought yet but will most likely buy next car in Canada

Open to other suggestions (I'm just curious how many people have actually benefited from this - it's certainly generated a lot of discussion and page views).

Just to throw my early vote in, I'm at #5 (partially because the model I'm leaning to purchase (Toyota Sienna Hybrid) isn't actually available yet but I'm hoping to buy within the next 6-9 months).

[glonq]

I keep hearing that Honda Canada won't recongize warranties from the USA. FWIW, I imported a Honda Odyssey from the US into Canada a couple years ago. The alternator died recently, and Honda Canada wouldn't honor the US warranty. I sent a letter to Honda USA describing the situation, and they sent me a cheque.

[betaboy00]

Hi

I emailed a Nissan dealer in Washington State and they said they are willing to sell to Canadians for importing back to Canada. However he said that the incentives offers by Nissan USA only applies to US resident. i.e If I buy the vehicle, I do not get any cash incentive unless I have a US address. Is this true? Because other manufacturer like Toyota and Subaru, you do get the cash incentive right?

In addition, the salesman at this dealership will only sell me the vehicle at the MSRP price and not invoice.

thanks

[Gromit]

the model I'm leaning to purchase (Toyota Sienna Hybrid) isn't actually available yet but I'm hoping to buy within the next 6-9 months).

There are no plans yet for a Sienna Hybrid. It's likely years, 2009 or 2010 before you'll see one.

Hi

I emailed a Nissan dealer in Washington State and they said they are willing to sell to Canadians for importing back to Canada. However he said that the incentives offers by Nissan USA only applies to US resident. i.e If I buy the vehicle, I do not get any cash incentive unless I have a US address. Is this true? Because other manufacturer like Toyota and Subaru, you do get the cash incentive right?

In addition, the salesman at this dealership will only sell me the vehicle at the MSRP price and not invoice.

You've got a dealer who'se playing hardball, because he knows that a lot of dealers won't sell to you. For example, my dealer just took the incentive right off the price. Eventually, he just mails it off and gets the cheque himself, but it's the same thing to us buyers. While your guy is technically correct, he's just driving up his own profit.

Walk away from this guy, and find another dealer.

[cookiemunster]

Does anyone else wish that we could attach a summary to the first post with the basic info re: which companies will transfer waranty? 77+ pages is a lot of digging for bare bones info.

[MMMM]

In the 77 pages there is a lot of contradictory warrenty information. The best advice is to call the manufacturer and ask.

On pages 55/56 you will find warrenty info for many on the vehicles. But double check yourself.

[Monsieurmaggot]

In the 77 pages there is a lot of contradictory warrenty information. The best advice is to call the manufacturer and ask.

On pages 55/56 you will find warrenty info for many on the vehicles. But double check yourself.

I couldn't agree with you more. I would check with the manufacturer directly. While the warranty is an important aspect to the purchase, in some cases the price difference outweighs any warranty concerns. When the pricing is less than $5000 (arbitrary number) it would make a difference to me. I could consider the extra expense for the piece of mind.

[michelb]

I keep hearing that Honda Canada won't recongize warranties from the USA. FWIW, I imported a Honda Odyssey from the US into Canada a couple years ago. The alternator died recently, and Honda Canada wouldn't honor the US warranty. I sent a letter to Honda USA describing the situation, and they sent me a cheque.

That's good to know that you were able to get money from Honda USA but your post only confirms the warranty issue: Honda Canada refused to honor the warranty and you had to deal with Honda USA directly. For something relatively cheap like an alternator, they probably don't care much so would rather keep you happy but for something major like a new transmission or cracked engine block or something, they might not be as willing.

In any case, your post does seem to indicate that if something major does happen, it might possible to have the vehicle towed to the US and repaired there which is great news. (although depending on where you are, that might not be that easy either (e.g. from Ottawa, the closest US dealer is 132 miles away. From Edmonton or something, the towing to a US dealership alone might cost more than a major repair :-0 )).

[goathead]

I had a Honda brought with me from when I moved from the US to Canada. It had a major failure under warranty. Honda Canada told me I had to deal with Honda US, Honda US did cover it, but only because I was able to produce proof that it was registered in the US. They told me that if I had purchased it only to import, I'd have been SOL.

[camber]

Well when you saving $10k+ on a car, you'll have more then enough savings to cover even the most costly repair on most cars!:lol:

[michelb]

I had a Honda brought with me from when I moved from the US to Canada. It had a major failure under warranty. Honda Canada told me I had to deal with Honda US, Honda US did cover it, but only because I was able to produce proof that it was registered in the US. They told me that if I had purchased it only to import, I'd have been SOL.

This is actually my understanding of the warranty on imported US Hondas and consistent with what Honda Canada says on their website. I think that if you buy a US Honda without the intention of registering it in the US first, assume that you won't get any warranty service and if you do, it's a bonus.

[thegradas]

I found a transport carrier that makes regular runs to the US from Mississauga. If you purchase a car, they can do all the paper work for you and get it across the border with no fuss. They transport cars to the US 4 times a week and bring cars back.

They will drop off the cars in Mississauga or anywhere in the GTA.

If people are interested, I can get a list of fees for the service.



Do you have a link or would you be able to email me the list?

Thank you.

[rdx]

Should we create a list here to show what auto manufacterers would honor warranty for US cars in Canada ? So that everyone looks at this thread can get an idea what car brands and models they can consider importing. :!:

[camber]

I'm not exactly sure why people are worried about warranties. The savings from buying in the US will cover even the most catastrophic failure of your vehicle. That's even get an absolute lemon which in recent times is actually pretty hard thing to find.

I think the more worrisome issue are finding which brands or dealers are willing to export to Canada from the US.:D

[Smoothie]

Should we create a list here to show what auto manufacterers would honor warranty for US cars in Canada ? So that everyone looks at this thread can get an idea what car brands and models they can consider importing. :!:

I think this is a great idea. Eventhough it looks like great savings can be had, having the warranty is always nice.

Is importing a used car, say '03-'04 differ than going brand new?
Thanks!

[Mei Yee]

Interesting!

[goathead]

I'm not exactly sure why people are worried about warranties. The savings from buying in the US will cover even the most catastrophic failure of your vehicle. That's even get an absolute lemon which in recent times is actually pretty hard thing to find.

I think the more worrisome issue are finding which brands or dealers are willing to export to Canada from the US.:D

My Honda has had its transmission replaced under warranty twice. At $4000 each I'd have taken a big loss if I hadn't been able to get it covered (it was originally $16K US - no way I'd have saved $8K Ca). Now this is somewhat unusual, but the 98-02 Hondas have horrible xmission failure rates.

[goathead]

Should we create a list here to show what auto manufacterers would honor warranty for US cars in Canada ? So that everyone looks at this thread can get an idea what car brands and models they can consider importing. :!:

Definitely, personally I wouldn't buy without a warranty...

[BeaverLiquor]

there is already a list/link to a list, search for rehan's name/posts in this thread.

[edit] here's the thread, http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1089211#post1089211, but maybe we can bug rehan to update it?

[Gromit]

My Honda has had its transmission replaced under warranty twice. At $4000 each I'd have taken a big loss if I hadn't been able to get it covered (it was originally $16K US - no way I'd have saved $8K Ca).

True in that case, but not for most of us who have saved $10K+, $14 thousand in my case.

The more expensive the vehicle in general, the better the savings have been. Going to the US doesn't make sense if folks just want to buy a cheap little p***pot to run around in.

Unless you get a Toyota, which honours the warranty.

[camber]

My Honda has had its transmission replaced under warranty twice. At $4000 each I'd have taken a big loss if I hadn't been able to get it covered (it was originally $16K US - no way I'd have saved $8K Ca). Now this is somewhat unusual, but the 98-02 Hondas have horrible xmission failure rates.

What year was your Honda?

IIRC that issue was well known by 2000. No point buying a car that you know has inherent design problems and then importing from the US!

Well, no point buying said car in Canada anyways for warranty....

Most of the cars people have been listing here do not have any major known issues. General rule of thumb is to be wary of first year models or significant changes in powertrain. Your just asking for potential headaches.

[joe friday]

I'm not exactly sure why people are worried about warranties. The savings from buying in the US will cover even the most catastrophic failure of your vehicle. That's even get an absolute lemon which in recent times is actually pretty hard thing to find.

Absolutely! I've driven so many cars over the past 35 years that I can't even begin to count them, and I've never had anything go wrong I would consider to be a significant warranty claim. Most of my vehicles have had no warranty claims whatsoever. I know that things do go wrong sometimes but really people...keep it in perspective!

Personally I've had more problems with houses for things that I think should have been covered by warranties. If you think about it, we spend a lot more money on our homes which come with virtually no warranty whatsoever, and people don't even think twice about doing that!

Definitely, personally I wouldn't buy without a warranty...

Then consider buying an aftermarket warranty with part of your savings (as many, many people have suggested on this thread previously).

[goathead]

What year was your Honda?

IIRC that issue was well known by 2000. No point buying a car that you know has inherent design problems and then importing from the US!

Well, no point buying said car in Canada anyways for warranty....

Most of the cars people have been listing here do not have any major known issues. General rule of thumb is to be wary of first year models or significant changes in powertrain. Your just asking for potential headaches.

It was a 2000, but actually the problem wasn't well known until around 02 - if you check consumer reports from 2000 you'll find the accord got the highest ranking on the transmission, and was overall considered the most reliable in its class. My point is simply that people are saying there is no chance of losing out by doing the import, this is false. There is probably a <20% chance of losing out based on not having a warranty and this does make it a pretty good gamble.

[scouzi]

It was a 2000, but actually the problem wasn't well known until around 02 - if you check consumer reports from 2000 you'll find the accord got the highest ranking on the transmission, and was overall considered the most reliable in its class. My point is simply that people are saying there is no chance of losing out by doing the import, this is false. There is probably a <20% chance of losing out based on not having a warranty and this does make it a pretty good gamble.

If I had these choices:

a) Buy a car in Canada with full warranty
b) Buy a car In US with no warranty for 10k less
c) Find another option altogether

I would pick c. I wouldn't want to have to set aside the money I save as a warranty provision. That wouldn't give me piece of mind.

[Katadare]

I am a bit confused...
The RIV website only lists the ~200 and mods...

I just want to double check with you veterans, the ONLY thing I have to pay for (if say, I import a Honda Accord bought in Seattle) is the 200 or so dollars for RIV fees and then the price of changing the speedo and daytime lights, etc??

Is there additional tax, ie tax on how much I paid for it, on the car itself when I roll with it into the Ontario border?

Thanks!

[camber]

It was a 2000, but actually the problem wasn't well known until around 02 - if you check consumer reports from 2000 you'll find the accord got the highest ranking on the transmission, and was overall considered the most reliable in its class. My point is simply that people are saying there is no chance of losing out by doing the import, this is false. There is probably a <20% chance of losing out based on not having a warranty and this does make it a pretty good gamble.


Are we talking about the FWD 5 speed AT?

If that's the case many people were reporting issues with that transmission soon after they bought their cars online. It takes a while for major media and reports to pick on issues.

[camber]

If I had these choices:

a) Buy a car in Canada with full warranty
b) Buy a car In US with no warranty for 10k less
c) Find another option altogether

I would pick c. I wouldn't want to have to set aside the money I save as a warranty provision. That wouldn't give me piece of mind.


Warranties aren't infailliable. There are many reasons why a manufacturer or dealership cany deny repairs and there's nothing you can do about it. I would rather have $10k+ in my pocket to invest and do as I please.

I'm sure in the case of the blown transmission, a transimission could have been sourced and installed by a reputable third party for close to half the price. Instead of going by the inflated dealership numbers.

Importing isn't for eveyone. If your not knowledgeable about cars and don't want to do the research then it's probably not something you want to do.

[Gromit]

I just want to double check with you veterans, the ONLY thing I have to pay for (if say, I import a Honda Accord bought in Seattle) is the 200 or so dollars for RIV fees and then the price of changing the speedo and daytime lights, etc??

Is there additional tax, ie tax on how much I paid for it, on the car itself when I roll with it into the Ontario border?

You're paying PST and GST no matter where you buy, in Canada or the States. Death and taxes, as they say...

So it really doesn't enter into the equation. (other than since the US price when converted into canadian is lower, you'll pay less PST and GST).

You'll pay GST at the border, and PST when you register.

[Gromit]

If I had these choices:

a) Buy a car in Canada with full warranty
b) Buy a car In US with no warranty for 10k less
c) Find another option altogether


You missed option d) Buy a car in US with full warranty for 14k less

[Monsieurmaggot]

Something else to consider: Even if you paid $5000 for a new transmission, providing you had the work done at a reputable shop, they warranty the work so you wouldn't be out any more than your initial purchase.

When I service my Ford at the dealer, they warranty the work for a specific period whether it be lifetime, one year, 90-days (depending on what was done).

As camber says, if you're squeamish about importing a car, stick with a Canadian dealer and help them pay for their country club memberships. They love to hang the "oh god you have no warranty" over your head.

Remember you'll lose your warranty after three years. My initial $10,000 savings will have grown to almost $11,250 in my ING account.

If you're only saving a couple of grand, then buying in the US isn't worth the effort. In the case of Subarus, Toyotas and most other imports, the savings are considerable. North American cars (yes some people still buy them) are priced relatively the same in both countries.

[scouzi]

You missed option d) Buy a car in US with full warranty for 14k less

Yes I agree to that. That would be option c. But my point was that I would chose another model that has a warranty.

[scouzi]

Something else to consider: Even if you paid $5000 for a new transmission, providing you had the work done at a reputable shop, they warranty the work so you wouldn't be out any more than your initial purchase.

When I service my Ford at the dealer, they warranty the work for a specific period whether it be lifetime, one year, 90-days (depending on what was done).

As camber says, if you're squeamish about importing a car, stick with a Canadian dealer and help them pay for their country club memberships. They love to hang the "oh god you have no warranty" over your head.

Remember you'll lose your warranty after three years. My initial $10,000 savings will have grown to almost $11,250 in my ING account.

If you're only saving a couple of grand, then buying in the US isn't worth the effort. In the case of Subarus, Toyotas and most other imports, the savings are considerable. North American cars (yes some people still buy them) are priced relatively the same in both countries.

I'm also looking at leasebusters.com. With enough patience there are some good deals. I've seen lease take-overs with buybacks on lease-ends at 8k-10k below what the dealers are selling for as "recertified" used cars.

[goathead]

Something else to consider: Even if you paid $5000 for a new transmission, providing you had the work done at a reputable shop, they warranty the work so you wouldn't be out any more than your initial purchase.

When I service my Ford at the dealer, they warranty the work for a specific period whether it be lifetime, one year, 90-days (depending on what was done).

As camber says, if you're squeamish about importing a car, stick with a Canadian dealer and help them pay for their country club memberships. They love to hang the "oh god you have no warranty" over your head.



For a tranny every shop I've spoken to only offers a 1 yr warranty, mine went at 5 yrs and again at 6.5 - Honda had extended it to 7 yrs at that point. Unusual? Absolutely. My point is simply that on THIS model I could have only saved about $3K buying in the US which to me isn't worth the hassle. In my case I'd have been SOL with this vehicle, which was at the time considered extremely reliable.

The other thing people tend to ignore is that when you go to sell the vehicle you'll get $1-2K less than if it was made in Canada (in my experience) so you should factor that into your cash equation.

I'm not saying people shouldn't do this, a buddy of mine went the US route & saved about $10K on his Tundra and never looked back - and he'll drive it till the doors fall off so he isn't concerned about resale. People just need to make sure they're saving enough $$$ when everything is factored in to be worth it.

[scouzi]

Interesting how the tables have turned. LOL

http://www.edmunds.com/help/about/press/66110/article.html

http://www.edmunds.com/advice/specialreports/articles/64615/article.html

[iandi]

You're paying PST and GST no matter where you buy, in Canada or the States. Death and taxes, as they say...

So it really doesn't enter into the equation. (other than since the US price when converted into canadian is lower, you'll pay less PST and GST).

You'll pay GST at the border, and PST when you register.

I think that for cars not made in USA e.g. Infiniti, there is also a 6% ?tax added on. Still worth it as I think the warrenty is transferable here for nissan/infiniti.

[goathead]

I think that for cars not made in USA e.g. Infiniti, there is also a 6% ?tax added on. Still worth it as I think the warrenty is transferable here for nissan/infiniti.

Is this true? A 6% extra tax is a pretty big bite... But maybe worth it to get a vehicle not touched in North America (the downfall of the Honda auto transmission was when they bought an American manufacturing facility).

[vybe232]

Looking to get a corvette z06 imported from the US, any suggestions on where to buy /look online ? i am thinking buffalo or Michigan area?

also does anyone know if the warranty will be covered, ill be buying used...

any tips for any part of the transaction would be greatly appreciated..thank you.

[goathead]

Wouldn't New Hampshire make sense (no sales tax)?

[michelb]

Wouldn't New Hampshire make sense (no sales tax)?

Makes no difference since you are not paying taxes on the car in the US anyway since you are not registering it (taxes are paid on cars on registration).

[satoshi]

Is this true? A 6% extra tax is a pretty big bite... But maybe worth it to get a vehicle not touched in North America (the downfall of the Honda auto transmission was when they bought an American manufacturing facility).

That's because automobiles not manufactured in North America don't fall under NAFTA; therefore, you are required to pay duty on them for import...

[goathead]

That's because automobiles not manufactured in North America don't fall under NAFTA; therefore, you are required to pay duty on them for import...

I'll bet I'd know that if I'd read all 80 pages, eh? :)

[iandi]

I found a transport carrier that makes regular runs to the US from Mississauga. If you purchase a car, they can do all the paper work for you and get it across the border with no fuss. They transport cars to the US 4 times a week and bring cars back.

They will drop off the cars in Mississauga or anywhere in the GTA.

If people are interested, I can get a list of fees for the service.


Does anyone have any contact information for such a company?

[methyl]

Hi,

I've read throughout the thread that some people from Ontario had difficulties arranging for insurance to import from NY state.
I have the same issue now, with PC Insurance. I already have 2 cars insured with them but they refuse to insure one as soon as they ask where it's being purchased from and hear US, even though we tell them it's a brand new car. They are willing to insure it once it's registered in Ontario though, which is hard to do without getting the car here.

Are there any ways out of this catch 22?
Is it possible to arrange for a short term insurance from another company? Which ins. companies were you successful with?

Thanks

[perfchris]

Your car in the states should be considered a rental. Your PC insurance should cover that. If you are still stuck, check edmunds.com, somebody did insure a car from Ontario and brought it up. Just search import into canada.

Good luck.

[methyl]

Your car in the states should be considered a rental. Your PC insurance should cover that. If you are still stuck, check edmunds.com, somebody did insure a car from Ontario and brought it up. Just search import into canada.

Good luck.

Not sure if rentals are covered under PC insurance. Even so, the dealer needs proof of coverage and ins. company doesn't seem to be willing to input the vin until it's registered, called different agents -same thing. Called belair, they say they don't do such thing either.

Loosing hope in the whole scheme.

[yyz2hkg]

Called belair, they say they don't do such thing either.

Loosing hope in the whole scheme.

That's really weird...Belair Direct covered me throughout the whole process...I told them I purchased a vehicle and all they asked for was the ViN number, YR, Make, Model....and sent me a fax confimation for coverage valid for 14 days, until the car is registered in Ontario. Try calling again for another agent. I'm surprised at that, since you're giving them the business.

Check this out, this may help...

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4160338#post4160338

[scouzi]

That's really weird...Belair Direct covered me throughout the whole process...I told them I purchased a vehicle and all they asked for was the ViN number, YR, Make, Model....and sent me a fax confimation for coverage valid for 14 days, until the car is registered in Ontario. Try calling again for another agent. I'm surprised at that, since you're giving them the business.

Check this out, this may help...

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4160338#post4160338

Meloche Monnex told me the same thing for coverage.

[ecgz88]

anybody know if Infiniti is made in Us or Japan?

[Gromit]

Is it possible to arrange for a short term insurance from another company? Which ins. companies were you successful with?

Call Belair Direct after you get your VIN. Zero problems. They even post dated it, so it only came into effect the day I picked up the car in the US.

And no need to make it temporary, go with them permanently. Their rates were better than any other quotes I got.

edit: Maybe the fact you were trying temporary was the problem?

[yyz2hkg]

anybody know if Infiniti is made in Us or Japan?

Coupes and Sedans are made in Japan. I believe the QX56 are made in the US b/c the VIN # begins with a 5 as opposed to a J.

[ecgz88]

Too bad I'm looking for 2007 G35 for long time>:(

Coupes and Sedans are made in Japan. I believe the QX56 are made in the US b/c the VIN # begins with a 5 as opposed to a J.

[methyl]

Call Belair Direct after you get your VIN. Zero problems. They even post dated it, so it only came into effect the day I picked up the car in the US.

And no need to make it temporary, go with them permanently. Their rates were better than any other quotes I got.

edit: Maybe the fact you were trying temporary was the problem?

No, I didn't ask for temporary insurance, I said that I am buying a new car and need coverage. I am reluctant to switch to another company from PC insurance since we have 2 other cars registered with them and I would be very surpised if belair beats our current rate (I shopped)

I have the VIN and everything. I will try another agent.

[methyl]

That's really weird...Belair Direct covered me throughout the whole process...I told them I purchased a vehicle and all they asked for was the ViN number, YR, Make, Model....and sent me a fax confimation for coverage valid for 14 days, until the car is registered in Ontario. Try calling again for another agent. I'm surprised at that, since you're giving them the business.

Check this out, this may help...

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4160338#post4160338


Thanks, I will try another agent. Did you have insurance with belair before getting the new car? Did you keep the policy after 14 days or switched?

[yyz2hkg]

Thanks, I will try another agent. Did you have insurance with belair before getting the new car? Did you keep the policy after 14 days or switched?


I told them I was with them previously...I actually kept the policy after the 14 days as it was considerably lower than any other insurance co. quoted me. Try that.

[iandi]

Too bad I'm looking for 2007 G35 for long time>:(

I looked into getting a G35X in Buffalo - still comes out at least $5-10 K cheaper than buying it in Toronto, and I'm pretty sure the warrenty is transferable. Anyone have experience with Nissan or Infiniti US purchase?

[michelb]

re: Insurance

There seems to be conflicting answers for the insurance (from the companies themselves). When I called, I was told it was not possible to insure it until it was actually imported and plated in Canada (I ended up just getting insurance from a US company) however many other members have said they were able to get insurance through a Canadian company so it does appear to be possible if you call around enough. If you do find a Canadian company, I would make sure that they understand very clearly that the car is in the US and is currently not imported in Canada and that you need the insurance to drive it from the US to Canada on a temporary permit in order to bring it to Customs and have it imported and then plated in Canada. The last thing anyone wants to happen is that you get into an accident in the US and find out that your insurance is not valid because of a technicality. It's also worth mentionning that many insurance companies in the US recommend carrying at least 2 million liability coverage because the cost of medical care and the potential for litigation is much greater.

Hope this helps.

[yyz2hkg]

re: Insurance

There seems to be conflicting answers for the insurance (from the companies themselves). When I called, I was told it was not possible to insure it until it was actually imported and plated in Canada (I ended up just getting insurance from a US company) however many other members have said they were able to get insurance through a Canadian company so it does appear to be possible if you call around enough. If you do find a Canadian company, I would make sure that they understand very clearly that the car is in the US and is currently not imported in Canada and that you need the insurance to drive it from the US to Canada on a temporary permit in order to bring it to Customs and have it imported and then plated in Canada. The last thing anyone wants to happen is that you get into an accident in the US and find out that your insurance is not valid because of a technicality. It's also worth mentionning that many insurance companies in the US recommend carrying at least 2 million liability coverage because the cost of medical care and the potential for litigation is much greater.

Hope this helps.

True...I made sure the Insurance Co. knew the vehicle was being imported to Canada and provided them the Temp plate number too just to be sure.

[loplop]

Has anyone had any recent experience purchasing a Subaru from US and resides in Alberta? Thanks

[methyl]

re: Insurance

There seems to be conflicting answers for the insurance (from the companies themselves). When I called, I was told it was not possible to insure it until it was actually imported and plated in Canada (I ended up just getting insurance from a US company) however many other members have said they were able to get insurance through a Canadian company so it does appear to be possible if you call around enough. If you do find a Canadian company, I would make sure that they understand very clearly that the car is in the US and is currently not imported in Canada and that you need the insurance to drive it from the US to Canada on a temporary permit in order to bring it to Customs and have it imported and then plated in Canada. The last thing anyone wants to happen is that you get into an accident in the US and find out that your insurance is not valid because of a technicality. It's also worth mentionning that many insurance companies in the US recommend carrying at least 2 million liability coverage because the cost of medical care and the potential for litigation is much greater.

Hope this helps.

Thanks for the info. Can you post the the US company you arranged insurance with, the term and the cost? Was that in NY state? Was the policy valid in Canada?
So far no company has agreed to insure the car until it is registered by the min. of transportation, and I've called a bunch, as well as insurance brokers. All of them, however, are willing to insure the car imported from US after it has been registered here. I'm pretty disappointed with the way every company is responding here in Ontario, especially after spending so much effort for preparation work, finding the car, dealer, exchanging money.

[michelb]

Thanks for the info. Can you post the the US company you arranged insurance with, the term and the cost? Was that in NY state? Was the policy valid in Canada?
So far no company has agreed to insure the car until it is registered by the min. of transportation, and I've called a bunch, as well as insurance brokers. All of them, however, are willing to insure the car imported from US after it has been registered here. I'm pretty disappointed with the way every company is responding here in Ontario, especially after spending so much effort for preparation work, finding the car, dealer, exchanging money.

Mine was with AllState in Florida but I had to call a whole bunch before I found a company that would give me insurance (I'm pretty sure other AllStates had turned me down) - also had a friend's address there so that might have helped. I'm pretty sure it was valid as long as I had the temporary plate on it.

[CRXguy]

Has anyone had any recent experience purchasing a Subaru from US and resides in Alberta? Thanks

If you signup on www.nasioc.com , search the Canada Forum for "xrayvsn" and you'll find what you're looking for.

[chuchu]

There has been a lot of discussion on insurance on this thread and discussion of cooperative and un-cooperative insurance companies. I had an un-cooperative insurance company (Federation) which I turned into a co-operative insurance company through persistence, and I would like to help out fellow RFDers by giving them a detailed explanation.

The Ontario Standard Policy covers off the acquiring of vehicles in the U.S. In my case, my independent broker agreed with me, but I was faced with objections from the underwriting department of my insurance company, for no other reason than they just could not psychologically wrap their head around this issue. It’s the international border that throws these people for a loop. So I insisted on speaking to the Legal Counsel of the insurance company to have that individual confirm my interpretation of the Ontario Standard Policy. To my surprise, my insurance company had no such person on staff, and so I went the next route which was to speak to the internal “Ombudsman” who is mandated with resolving disputes with customers. In my particular case, I won over the Ombudsman by walking him through the policy sections. He still had a psychologically hard time with the international border, and so I then put to him a hypothetical of acquiring an auto in Quebec or B.C. and driving it into Ontario. That he was able to agree with, and so I went the next step of pointing out that the policy extends coverage to the U.S. and that there is no exclusion for acquiring autos by jurisdiction. He finally conceded the point, and I was able to get an insurance card issued.

Here is the link to the Standard Ontario Policy:

http://www.insurancehotline.com/oap1eng.pdf#search=%22ontario%20automobile%20insur ance%20policy%22

First take a look at section 1.2 and you will see that you are covered for incidents in Canada and the United States.

Then take a look at sections 2.1, 2.2, and 2.2.1 and you will see that the policy covers off “Newly Acquired” automobiles. Indeed, you have 14 days after delivery to notify them of the newly acquired automobile. Note that the policy does not exclude newly acquired automobiles based on the jurisdiction where they are acquired. So the clear interpretation of this is that your insurance company cannot deny you coverage for newly acquired automobiles anywhere in Canada or the U.S.

Even though you have a 14 day period to notify your insurance company, the much safer course of action is to get an insurance card from them to keep with you as you travel back from the U.S. Depending on where you buy in the U.S., you will face different requirements to get a temporary permit from that jurisdiction. Some will want just the insurance policy number. Some will want to see the insurance card. Some will want a binder letter from your broker or insurance company.


So if you are faced with an un-cooperative insurance company my recommendations to you are as follows:

1. If you are dealing with an independent broker, then walk through with them the above sections in the Ontario Standard Policy. Once you convince them, see if they will then work on the insurance company on your behalf.

2. If you do not have an independent broker, then speak directly to the Underwriting Manager and walk through with him/her the above sections and get their agreement.

3. If the Underwriting Manager is still a problem, then insist on speaking to the Legal Counsel or General Counsel of the insurance company. Walk through with them the above sections, and get them to agree with you and then to tell the Underwriting Department that, legally, insurance extends to newly acquired automobiles in the U.S.

4. Absent a legal department, speak to the Ombudsman of the Insurance Company.

5. Absent an Ombudsman, call the President of the Company directly.



If at the end of all of this, you still don’t have success, then you will just have to switch insurance companies. If you do that, then while you are at it, you might as well file a complaint with the Superintendent of Financial Institutions which regulates insurance companies against your former insurance company for not following the Standard Ontario Policy.


So at the end of the day, remember that (a) the Standard Ontario Policy permits (or does not prohibit) newly acquired automobiles from the U.S. and extends coverage for incidents across Canada and the U.S., (b) the insurance company works for you; you are the customer and you have been paying them all these years to work on your behalf and to follow the policy provisions.

Do not tolerate your insurance company acting as an obstacle to you saving many thousands of dollars.

[shopper-X]

There has been a lot of discussion on insurance on this thread and discussion of cooperative and un-cooperative insurance companies. I had an un-cooperative insurance company (Federation) which I turned into a co-operative insurance company through persistence, and I would like to help out fellow RFDers by giving them a detailed explanation.

The Ontario Standard Policy covers off the acquiring of vehicles in the U.S. In my case, my independent broker agreed with me, but I was faced with objections from the underwriting department of my insurance company, for no other reason than they just could not psychologically wrap their head around this issue. It’s the international border that throws these people for a loop. So I insisted on speaking to the Legal Counsel of the insurance company to have that individual confirm my interpretation of the Ontario Standard Policy. To my surprise, my insurance company had no such person on staff, and so I went the next route which was to speak to the internal “Ombudsman” who is mandated with resolving disputes with customers. In my particular case, I won over the Ombudsman by walking him through the policy sections. He still had a psychologically hard time with the international border, and so I then put to him a hypothetical of acquiring an auto in Quebec or B.C. and driving it into Ontario. That he was able to agree with, and so I went the next step of pointing out that the policy extends coverage to the U.S. and that there is no exclusion for acquiring autos by jurisdiction. He finally conceded the point, and I was able to get an insurance card issued.

Here is the link to the Standard Ontario Policy:

http://www.insurancehotline.com/oap1eng.pdf#search=%22ontario%20automobile%20insur ance%20policy%22

First take a look at section 1.2 and you will see that you are covered for incidents in Canada and the United States.

Then take a look at sections 2.1, 2.2, and 2.2.1 and you will see that the policy covers off “Newly Acquired” automobiles. Indeed, you have 14 days after delivery to notify them of the newly acquired automobile. Note that the policy does not exclude newly acquired automobiles based on the jurisdiction where they are acquired. So the clear interpretation of this is that your insurance company cannot deny you coverage for newly acquired automobiles anywhere in Canada or the U.S.

Even though you have a 14 day period to notify your insurance company, the much safer course of action is to get an insurance card from them to keep with you as you travel back from the U.S. Depending on where you buy in the U.S., you will face different requirements to get a temporary permit from that jurisdiction. Some will want just the insurance policy number. Some will want to see the insurance card. Some will want a binder letter from your broker or insurance company.


So if you are faced with an un-cooperative insurance company my recommendations to you are as follows:

1. If you are dealing with an independent broker, then walk through with them the above sections in the Ontario Standard Policy. Once you convince them, see if they will then work on the insurance company on your behalf.

2. If you do not have an independent broker, then speak directly to the Underwriting Manager and walk through with him/her the above sections and get their agreement.

3. If the Underwriting Manager is still a problem, then insist on speaking to the Legal Counsel or General Counsel of the insurance company. Walk through with them the above sections, and get them to agree with you and then to tell the Underwriting Department that, legally, insurance extends to newly acquired automobiles in the U.S.

4. Absent a legal department, speak to the Ombudsman of the Insurance Company.

5. Absent an Ombudsman, call the President of the Company directly.



If at the end of all of this, you still don’t have success, then you will just have to switch insurance companies. If you do that, then while you are at it, you might as well file a complaint with the Superintendent of Financial Institutions which regulates insurance companies against your former insurance company for not following the Standard Ontario Policy.


So at the end of the day, remember that (a) the Standard Ontario Policy permits (or does not prohibit) newly acquired automobiles from the U.S. and extends coverage for incidents across Canada and the U.S., (b) the insurance company works for you; you are the customer and you have been paying them all these years to work on your behalf and to follow the policy provisions.

Do not tolerate your insurance company acting as an obstacle to you saving many thousands of dollars.

Thank you for the write up.

[crikey]

Awesome write-up and thanks for sharing this!

There has been a lot of discussion on insurance on this thread and discussion of cooperative and un-cooperative insurance companies. I had an un-cooperative insurance company (Federation) which I turned into a co-operative insurance company through persistence, and I would like to help out fellow RFDers by giving them a detailed explanation.

The Ontario Standard Policy covers off the acquiring of vehicles in the U.S. In my case, my independent broker agreed with me, but I was faced with objections from the underwriting department of my insurance company, for no other reason than they just could not psychologically wrap their head around this issue. It’s the international border that throws these people for a loop. So I insisted on speaking to the Legal Counsel of the insurance company to have that individual confirm my interpretation of the Ontario Standard Policy. To my surprise, my insurance company had no such person on staff, and so I went the next route which was to speak to the internal “Ombudsman” who is mandated with resolving disputes with customers. In my particular case, I won over the Ombudsman by walking him through the policy sections. He still had a psychologically hard time with the international border, and so I then put to him a hypothetical of acquiring an auto in Quebec or B.C. and driving it into Ontario. That he was able to agree with, and so I went the next step of pointing out that the policy extends coverage to the U.S. and that there is no exclusion for acquiring autos by jurisdiction. He finally conceded the point, and I was able to get an insurance card issued.

Here is the link to the Standard Ontario Policy:

http://www.insurancehotline.com/oap1eng.pdf#search=%22ontario%20automobile%20insur ance%20policy%22

First take a look at section 1.2 and you will see that you are covered for incidents in Canada and the United States.

Then take a look at sections 2.1, 2.2, and 2.2.1 and you will see that the policy covers off “Newly Acquired” automobiles. Indeed, you have 14 days after delivery to notify them of the newly acquired automobile. Note that the policy does not exclude newly acquired automobiles based on the jurisdiction where they are acquired. So the clear interpretation of this is that your insurance company cannot deny you coverage for newly acquired automobiles anywhere in Canada or the U.S.

Even though you have a 14 day period to notify your insurance company, the much safer course of action is to get an insurance card from them to keep with you as you travel back from the U.S. Depending on where you buy in the U.S., you will face different requirements to get a temporary permit from that jurisdiction. Some will want just the insurance policy number. Some will want to see the insurance card. Some will want a binder letter from your broker or insurance company.


So if you are faced with an un-cooperative insurance company my recommendations to you are as follows:

1. If you are dealing with an independent broker, then walk through with them the above sections in the Ontario Standard Policy. Once you convince them, see if they will then work on the insurance company on your behalf.

2. If you do not have an independent broker, then speak directly to the Underwriting Manager and walk through with him/her the above sections and get their agreement.

3. If the Underwriting Manager is still a problem, then insist on speaking to the Legal Counsel or General Counsel of the insurance company. Walk through with them the above sections, and get them to agree with you and then to tell the Underwriting Department that, legally, insurance extends to newly acquired automobiles in the U.S.

4. Absent a legal department, speak to the Ombudsman of the Insurance Company.

5. Absent an Ombudsman, call the President of the Company directly.



If at the end of all of this, you still don’t have success, then you will just have to switch insurance companies. If you do that, then while you are at it, you might as well file a complaint with the Superintendent of Financial Institutions which regulates insurance companies against your former insurance company for not following the Standard Ontario Policy.


So at the end of the day, remember that (a) the Standard Ontario Policy permits (or does not prohibit) newly acquired automobiles from the U.S. and extends coverage for incidents across Canada and the U.S., (b) the insurance company works for you; you are the customer and you have been paying them all these years to work on your behalf and to follow the policy provisions.

Do not tolerate your insurance company acting as an obstacle to you saving many thousands of dollars.

[methyl]

There has been a lot of discussion on insurance on this thread and discussion of cooperative and un-cooperative insurance companies. I had an un-cooperative insurance company (Federation) which I turned into a co-operative insurance company through persistence, and I would like to help out fellow RFDers by giving them a detailed explanation.



Thank you very much for sharing, really appreciated!

Here's a more recent version of the document, referred to as Standard Ontario Automobile Policy Form (OAP 1), from the gov-t of Ontario:http://www.fsco.gov.on.ca/english/pubs/bulletins/autobulletins/2005/a-05_05.pdf

This page has versions for other provinces:
http://www.aon.com/about/publications/issues/2001_canada_auto.jsp

[methyl]

Just wanted to report that I've been able to obtain temporary coverage from my insurance company after a long battle.

Having the Standard Ontario Policy document in front of me I pointed out the applicable sections. The agent went through them, making various excuses, the most important ones are that the car must first be registered in Ontario, and that coverage is not extended to US at all. I kept countering that, and pointed out that this registration limitation is not stated in the policy, and US is specifically mentioned. They responded that filed these restrictions with Financial Services, and that the standard insurance policy does not describe all the details. After this prolonged bickering I asked to speak to an underwriting manager, and the agent put me on hold for 10 minutes. When she came back on the line she said that they want to keep me as customer so that they decided to cover the car for a period of 7 days, with no charge, but asked for transit documents upfront. I said that I cannot get transit documents until I provide proof of insurance to the dealer. The agent said she will call me back about this, and within 15 minutes I got a call back confirming that they will send me the coverage without conditions.
Today morning I received a pdf with the liability card through email.

Persistence and awareness of facts is key. In my case I did not even need to go through the underwriting manager, legal council or ombudsman. I don't think a successfull resolution would've been possible without referring to a copy of the standard policy document.

Many thanks to chuchu!

[icu_nxtime]

Or did you decide on something else.

I am going to look at a Toyota Sienna just wanted to know what you were getting?

Thanks

[michelb]

Good job digging up the legal issues for convincing the Canadian Insurers to grant coverage for US vehicles in transit. One more thing I'd suggest looking into is making sure that there's no 'legal loophole' through which they deny a claim. I.e. make sure there's no 'fit for Canadian use' or something like requirement in the Canadian policies which they could use to deny a claim. I have no idea if they have any requirements like that but I wouldn't be all that surprised and if they do, they could probably deny a claim on the basis that until the car has been modified for import into Canada, it does not meet the requirements of being 'fit for use on Canadian roads'. (I honestly don't think this is much of an issue in most cases, but in case of an accident with injuries with a car that requires bumper modifications, I can see them playing that card to get out of paying. On that same note, when you do buy a US car and drive it with your Canadian insurance, if it doesn't already have DRL, drive with the headlights on even during the day (just something less for them to use)).

Just playing devil's advocate.

Now if our dollar can just go back into the $0.90s range, we can save even more!

[methyl]

Or did you decide on something else.

I am going to look at a Toyota Sienna just wanted to know what you were getting?

Thanks

I'm getting a Subaru Forrester. BTW, duty applies.

[shopper-X]

I'm getting a Subaru Forrester. BTW, duty applies.

Two of the Subaru's are built in Japan vs the USA. They are the Imprezza and Froester. Both of these the 6.1% duty will apply.

[chuchu]

To Methyl:

You’re welcome. Glad to hear you achieved success with my suggestions.


To MichelB:

There are no such loopholes in the Standard Policy. It is an easy read for those so inclined.


To others with insurance difficulties:

Here are some additional comments on how to go at these insurance people. First of all, in my case, when I went at these people, I explained what my objective was. Something like: “I am not doing anything sinister or illegal. All that I am doing is buying a car in another jurisdiction with the objective of saving many thousands of dollars. As my insurance company, I expect you to help me and co-operate. I do not expect you to be an obstacle to me saving many thousands of dollars.” Tell them this flat out. After all, it is the absolute truth, isn’t it?

Then, if they start to raise objections, challenge them on every point. For example, if you read Methyl’s post you will see a whole bunch of “Nonsense” objections by the insurance company. When faced with these sorts of Nonsense statements, I suggest you could say : “You have absolutely no business trying to impose a 7 day transit limit on me. Show me which section number in this policy allows you to impose a 7 day limitation”.

Same for the transit documents: “You have absolutely no business trying to require me to produce transit documents. Show me the section number which allows you to do this.” Of course, there are no provisions anywhere in the standard policy allowing any of this. Then go on to say: “Indeed, I don’t even have to inform you in advance. I have 14 days after the acquisition of the new vehicle to inform you according to the Standard Policy. I am doing so as a courtesy and I want you to issue an insurance card for this VIN”.

Don’t hesitate to escalate this right to the top of the insurance company if you have to.

Good luck to all.

[Gromit]

Hell, the first sign your insurance company starts to hassle you, I'd say "Look, do you want my business or not?"

There are more than enough companies around that are willing to have you as a company, you don't need to spend hours fighting with them just to take your money. :)

[antman59]

Has anyone purchased either a Kia or Hyundai from the U.S. Not sure if it' worth it not as large a discrepency compared to other companies. Looking at their minivans.

[michelb]

Has anyone purchased either a Kia or Hyundai from the U.S. Not sure if it' worth it not as large a discrepency compared to other companies. Looking at their minivans.

I think the Kia's are built in Korea and the Hyundai are built in the US so the Kia is probably not worth the hassle because you'll pay 6% duty but even on the Hyundai, I don't believe there's that much of a difference in price to justify the hassle. Part of the reason is that with some makes (e.g. Toyota), you often can't get much of a discount on the price in Canada but can get a significant discount in the US but with Hyundai, I think you can get big discounts on them in Canada so I think buying in the US might only save $1-2k which IMO, is not worth the hassle. (off topic but from the reviews I've seen the Hyundai is significantly nicer than the Kia even if they are built on the same platform).

[Pseudo Nim]

Has anyone purchased either a Kia or Hyundai from the U.S. Not sure if it' worth it not as large a discrepency compared to other companies. Looking at their minivans.

I personally would never buy a Kia. Too close to "Killed In Action". What a naming fiasco :P

[Yman]

I have been watching this forum and am close to importing a car myself. I am looking at the Infiniti G35X and have a dealer in the U.S. that is willing to sell to me. The conflict still seems to be about the warranty. The information in the warranty seems to state that warranty would be transferable yet the Canadian dealer here I have spoken with told me that if the car is bought in the U.S. and registered in Canada within 6 months the warranty is void. The U.S. dealer didnt think this was an issue.
Has anyone had any experience or know anything definate on this issue?
Thanks in advance.

[faston]

What kind of price is the US dealer quoting you for the G35x? Significant savings?

[ecgz88]

You have to pay 6% Duty for G35X, right?

[ecgz88]

You won't get lots of rebate in US for Hyundai just like competitive rebate/Military rebate......

but maybe still worth for it, I know someone last year get Sonata V6 for USD$16800 compare L4 in Canada charge for $22800:!:

I think the Kia's are built in Korea and the Hyundai are built in the US so the Kia is probably not worth the hassle because you'll pay 6% duty but even on the Hyundai, I don't believe there's that much of a difference in price to justify the hassle. Part of the reason is that with some makes (e.g. Toyota), you often can't get much of a discount on the price in Canada but can get a significant discount in the US but with Hyundai, I think you can get big discounts on them in Canada so I think buying in the US might only save $1-2k which IMO, is not worth the hassle. (off topic but from the reviews I've seen the Hyundai is significantly nicer than the Kia even if they are built on the same platform).

[bilzebub]

Hi

New to this forum and thinking about either a Subaru Legacy GT or VW GTi. The Subie people especially seem to have it good with no duty (for Legacies)/ warranty hassles.

Has anyone imported a VW recently, esp a GTi? I imagine its 6% for sure, but do they have running lights or other mods to do to placate the Gov't? The price differential seems massive at first glance, did the math add up in the end for those that brought one over?

Thanks!
Bill

[yyz2hkg]

You have to pay 6% Duty for G35X, right?

Yes, Coupes and Sedans are made in Japan, so 6.1% duty applies. I believe the QX56 are made in the US b/c the VIN # begins with a 5 as opposed to a J.

[michelb]

You won't get lots of rebate in US for Hyundai just like competitive rebate/Military rebate......

but maybe still worth for it, I know someone last year get Sonata V6 for USD$16800 compare L4 in Canada charge for $22800:!:

No idea how much more the V6 is versus that L4 but that's not a huge difference; using today's exchange rate, it will cost you about $21k CND to get $16800US. If you have to fly to pick up the car or stay at a hotel or something plus pay import fees plus any potential time off work, it will probably end up costing close to $1k or more to go buy in the US. That's probably not enough to justify any potential warranty issues or the slightly lower resale value of having a US car and the hassle of going to the US to get the car.

[antman59]

It might have gotten lost in this thread but I have not seen Nissan's listed. Is the waranty for Nissan transferable? Has anyone tried importing one?

[shopper-X]

It might have gotten lost in this thread but I have not seen Nissan's listed. Is the waranty for Nissan transferable? Has anyone tried importing one?

Search term: Nissan Warranty

I just called Nissan Canada and Nissan USA. Nissan Canada told me to call Nissan USA. Nissan USA told me that when importing to Canada, for Nissan USA to cover the warranty, the vehicle must have been registered in the US for at least 6 months, and that there is no mileage restriction.
This is basically the same thing Nissan Canada told me last time I called.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Sadly I heard back from RFD's help desk that I can't add or change the poll question without starting a new thread.

No point in starting a new thread.

The Canadian dollar has been taking a beating lately. I'm now only saving $15k+ on a US purchase. Still so much cheaper to buy certains cars in the States.

[Spray]

Hey guys just wanted to chime in here.

Just picked up a Subaru Legacy GT Ltd Spec B from the USA for 24k USD

The import and export was pretty straighforward, although I didnt have the original Title so I have to go back to the border to export it from the USA legally.

Heres some pictures of my new baby!

http://legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=30303&d=1168457792
http://legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=30304&d=1168457792

Dont have an interior pic of the actual car, but have this one:
http://www.subarunews.net/news/Leg_specB_interior.jpg

[Monsieurmaggot]

That's a beauty. Congratulations.

When it was all said and done, what did you end up saving?

Tell us about the import process...

[Spray]

Well the spec B's are around 44k here, i paid before taxes around 28.2K CAD

So i guess i saved around 17k or so

Import is easy, just bring the Title and bill of sale to the american side, then after exporting you go to the canadian side, pay the GST and import fee (mine was around $1900 for both) and show them the bill of sale. They ship you a registration package in the mail (which I still havn't receieved) and bobs your uncle.

So with the airplane ticket, gas and a hotel bill and import fee, probably saved 16k total, not to mention i got a VERY special car, with only three now in canada.

[jda]

Spray, how did you get your spec B for so cheap?

I thought they usually go for around 30k usd.

Is yours used?

[Spray]

Mine was a tradein from a Doctor down in tenesee, had 3700 miles on it. Still had the new car smell and not a scratch on it. He even had three sets of keys made, this guy was ANAL about the car.

But yeah the 2nd cheapest spec B i saw, was for 29,000 USD with 10k Miles

[Tuppin]

Spray:

Good deal on the Spec B. I sat in one at the dealer....nice stealth vehicle!

Don't wait for RIV to send you the Form 2....call them and give them your case number (at top of your Form 1) and have them email or fax you the form 2....this will save you a week or two. However, you will need your original title...funny they didn't give it to you....I doubt you will be able to register the car without it.

[Deemo]

Spray:
Don't wait for RIV to send you the Form 2....call them and give them your case number (at top of your Form 1) and have them email or fax you the form 2....this will save you a week or two. However, you will need your original title...funny they didn't give it to you....I doubt you will be able to register the car without it.


I second that!;)

[Spray]

Yeah it's been two weeks and still no package from them...however im still waiting for the title from the dealer i bought it from...

Whats the inspection at CT like?

[dealcatcher]

Hey guys just wanted to chime in here.

Just picked up a Subaru Legacy GT Ltd Spec B from the USA for 24k USD

The import and export was pretty straighforward, although I didnt have the original Title so I have to go back to the border to export it from the USA legally.

Heres some pictures of my new baby!

http://legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=30303&d=1168457792
http://legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=30304&d=1168457792

Dont have an interior pic of the actual car, but have this one:
http://www.subarunews.net/news/Leg_specB_interior.jpg

How did you able to find used car over the internet? Is there a way to check any accident or history on an used vechicle?

[hooky]

Is this a Brand New Legacy GT Ltd Spec B ? The starting price should be around 34000 USD$?

Read post #1238 thank you

[Spray]

I knew the dealer personally, as well as the previous owner. I was able to arrange a killer deal on the car, it honestly is pretty much a new car to me, theres not one sign it's been driven in, not so much as a scuff or anything.

The dealer tossed in the full vehicle history and carfax for free, nothing there :)

Yes I could of probably wrangled the newer spec B for around 32k USD, however that was above my budget, and i prefer the 2006 Spec B better. It has a more suited gearbox for competitive racing, and i like the red interior vs the blue 2007 one.


How did you able to find used car over the internet? Is there a way to check any accident or history on an used vechicle?

[dealcatcher]

I knew the dealer personally, as well as the previous owner. I was able to arrange a killer deal on the car, it honestly is pretty much a new car to me, theres not one sign it's been driven in, not so much as a scuff or anything.

The dealer tossed in the full vehicle history and carfax for free, nothing there :)

Yes I could of probably wrangled the newer spec B for around 32k USD, however that was above my budget, and i prefer the 2006 Spec B better. It has a more suited gearbox for competitive racing, and i like the red interior vs the blue 2007 one.

you are lucky and i'm jealous of you

[snguy82]

I was wondering if you guys can clarify this whole importing thing for me. I've been doing some research and this is what i've found: Im looking at the 2007 toyota camry LE 4 cylinder:
if purchased in Canada:
MSRP: $25,800
on the road: $31,025.10

if purchased in US:
MSRP: $20,975
on the road: $21,595USD

converted to $CDN: approx $25,914 $CDN
(21,595x1.20*)

duty: 0
excise tax (A/C): 100 = $26,014

tax: GST (26,014x7%) = 27,834.98

additional charges:
this is where I need to clarify:

RIV program: $209

- how much do I need to spend to modify it: ?
- other paper work?
- inspection fees?
- and when i register it in Ontario I have to pay PST on top of the $27,834.98?
(if this is the case: the total would be approx: $29,783.43)
- I thinking another $500 for mods and other paper work?
approx: $30,283.43


difference from purchase price in canada and US:

31,025 - 30,283.43 = $741.57


If someone can please help me clarify my calculations and other costs, this will be very helpful.

thank you

Steven

[Spray]

where was the car made? if not in north america it's another what...6.1%?

[MMMM]

Steven

[MMMM]

Steven

The calculations look correct. Add a couple of hundred for DRL and thats it.

Now assume you can get the Toyota for invoice you will save a further 2000.00 US on the cost of the Camry. Call a few dealers in the states and get a firm quote. Offer 100 dollars minus Invoice (19391, includes destination charge). Try this in Canada at a Toyota dealship in Canada and see how much luck you have.

New Calculations

Cost including destination charge
19391US (edmunds.com)
23269 Cdn (@1.2)
24898 add the GST
100 AC
209 Riv
500 in mods (seems a little high)

27763 is the cost of the vehicle
31025 Cost in canada
your saving would be approximatly 3261 Cdn dollars
You would have to add in the costs of bringing the car to Canada.

Use invoice pricing in the states. You will have to try hard to find a toyota dealer who will sell you one. Earlier in the threads is a discussion about which dealers in which parts of the US will sell to Canadians.

[snguy82]

Steven

The calculations look correct. Add a couple of hundred for DRL and thats it.

Now assume you can get the Toyota for invoice you will save a further 2000.00 US on the cost of the Camry. Call a few dealers in the states and get a firm quote. Offer 100 dollars minus Invoice (19391, includes destination charge). Try this in Canada at a Toyota dealship in Canada and see how much luck you have.

New Calculations

Cost including destination charge
19391US (edmunds.com)
23269 Cdn (@1.2)
24898 add the GST
100 AC
209 Riv
500 in mods (seems a little high)

27763 is the cost of the vehicle
31025 Cost in canada
your saving would be approximatly 3261 Cdn dollars
You would have to add in the costs of bringing the car to Canada.

Use invoice pricing in the states. You will have to try hard to find a toyota dealer who will sell you one. Earlier in the threads is a discussion about which dealers in which parts of the US will sell to Canadians.

thanx for the help and clarification. I really appreciated it.

The $500 of mods/paper work costs is just a number I put out there. If anyone has actual experiences with importing and modifying a Camry, please give me a more realistic figure.

Are the only mods I need DRL? what about the speedometer? mph to Km/h?

Are there any advantages in purchasing used vs. new?

thanx again for the replies.

[ecgz88]

USD:CAD=1.2 ??? I think it's 1.18:)

100 dollars minus Invoice to get Carmy in US? not easy to get, specify you need ask them to sell to Canadian.:-0

Most Canadian people buy LE+package B or C, you should compare specific to US LE:)


Steven

The calculations look correct. Add a couple of hundred for DRL and thats it.

Now assume you can get the Toyota for invoice you will save a further 2000.00 US on the cost of the Camry. Call a few dealers in the states and get a firm quote. Offer 100 dollars minus Invoice (19391, includes destination charge). Try this in Canada at a Toyota dealship in Canada and see how much luck you have.

New Calculations

Cost including destination charge
19391US (edmunds.com)
23269 Cdn (@1.2)
24898 add the GST
100 AC
209 Riv
500 in mods (seems a little high)

27763 is the cost of the vehicle
31025 Cost in canada
your saving would be approximatly 3261 Cdn dollars
You would have to add in the costs of bringing the car to Canada.

Use invoice pricing in the states. You will have to try hard to find a toyota dealer who will sell you one. Earlier in the threads is a discussion about which dealers in which parts of the US will sell to Canadians.

[kuri]

Looks like Driving Television will be doing a few segments on importing cars from the states as well. Here are the first 2 parts:

http://drivingtelevision.com/CarReviewVideos.php?ccID=2
http://drivingtelevision.com/CarReviewVideos.php?ccID=23

It'll be interesting to see what they recommend, or maybe they'll just take all the info from RFD. :cheesygri

To follow up on this, here is Driving Television's the first true Part 1 of 'Importing Cars from the U.S.':
http://drivingtelevision.com/CarReviewVideos.php?ccID=441

[zhewie]

Dealcatcher,

Sweet ride! Even sweeter deal!

I wish I saw this thread 5 years ago when I bought my Forester ;)

[michelb]

Dealcatcher,

Sweet ride! Even sweeter deal!

I wish I saw this thread 5 years ago when I bought my Forester ;)

5 years ago the CND dollars was about $0.63US and this would have been a horrible deal (a $30k US car would have been around $46US CND). At that time it would probably have been cheaper for US residents to come to Canada to buy the same car here than to buy it in the US.

[snguy82]

does anyone know if we are able to import a Toyota Camry CE model into Canada, since we do not have the CE model in Canada?

The CE would represent a significant savings as compared to the LE model in Canada. Total price including importation: approx $25,000 on the road.

thanx

[james-007]

does anyone know if we are able to import a Toyota Camry CE model into Canada, since we do not have the CE model in Canada?

The CE would represent a significant savings as compared to the LE model in Canada. Total price including importation: approx $25,000 on the road.

thanx

There should not be any problems, if in dought call or look on RIV.CA

[aZnRYcEbOi]

Haven't read this thread in a while...

so has anyone successfully imported a Nissan/Infiniti?

Someone mentioned that warranty is valid and transferrable in this post: http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3808896

but I just read the past few pages of this thread and someone said that it has to be registered in the US for 6 months first??

What's the deal now?

[Anessa]

They seem pretty biased. It's not cookie cutter clear like that.

[develop]

I am thinking going down to states to buy a Toyota minivan this month, Canadian $ was down a bit, but still worth to try in States, they have more options and better price.
Did anybody just bring in Toyota cars to Canada recently ? I am in Vancouver and hoping you can share your experence and the dealer contacts.

[perfchris]

You need to look at edmunds.com and look at prices paid and buying experiences in order to look at dealers in your area that are open to negotating. Also, some dealers near the border refuse to sell to Canadians. So, you need to drive a little more south to buy a car. But, you could probably do all the paperwork from your home.

P.S. Should anyone need assistance in Ontario-Quebec, I have researched this in depth and have all the answers to your questions.

Please contact me through the site.

[goathead]

Steven

The calculations look correct. Add a couple of hundred for DRL and thats it.

Now assume you can get the Toyota for invoice you will save a further 2000.00 US on the cost of the Camry. Call a few dealers in the states and get a firm quote. Offer 100 dollars minus Invoice (19391, includes destination charge). Try this in Canada at a Toyota dealship in Canada and see how much luck you have.

New Calculations

Cost including destination charge
19391US (edmunds.com)
23269 Cdn (@1.2)
24898 add the GST
100 AC
209 Riv
500 in mods (seems a little high)

27763 is the cost of the vehicle
31025 Cost in canada
your saving would be approximatly 3261 Cdn dollars
You would have to add in the costs of bringing the car to Canada.

Use invoice pricing in the states. You will have to try hard to find a toyota dealer who will sell you one. Earlier in the threads is a discussion about which dealers in which parts of the US will sell to Canadians.

Although you assumed MSRP in Canada. Realistically you can easily get $1000 off that, closer to $2K if you are a good negotiator. The short summary is based on these prices it isn't worth the effort/lack of warranty to import a Camry.

[ecgz88]

I am thinking going down to states to buy a Toyota minivan this month, Canadian $ was down a bit, but still worth to try in States, they have more options and better price.
Did anybody just bring in Toyota cars to Canada recently ? I am in Vancouver and hoping you can share your experence and the dealer contacts.

go to www.siennaclub.org, I'm in VanCOUVER as well, thinking get a Camry since West Canada dealer sell Toyota in MSRP!:twisted:

[underpants]

I believe the link to Sienna Club is this:

http://www.siennaclub.org/forum/

[MMMM]

Although you assumed MSRP in Canada. Realistically you can easily get $1000 off that, closer to $2K if you are a good negotiator. The short summary is based on these prices it isn't worth the effort/lack of warranty to import a Camry.

When I bought a Rav in 2003, Toyota Access pricing did not allow for any negotiating. For the purpose of this price comparison I left the price of the Camry at MSRP. I am not sure if Toyota has continued Access pricing as I recently purchased A Honda. And Honda does negotiate. I do agree buying any inexpensive vehicle would yield little benefit in price savings.

[sphinxx]

actually...
I think this is the only way I can get the car that I want.
A nice car is ridiculously expensive here.
don't know why.
But I'm not sure about the heavy duties.
I'd have to loook at that.

good info though.

[perfchris]

The Toyota Camry is assembled in the Us and thus there are no duties to pay at the border.

You pay GST and riv fee of 220 dollars at the border.
100 dollar accise tax for AC
PST when you register the car.

Do not let dealers that are posting wrong info discourage you from saving LOTS of money on many cars !

[ecgz88]

Since USD:CAD=1.19 now, not like 5 month ago for 1.13, I believe buy Carmy from US is not saving too much in Canada East (they can negotiate price in there), but in West we have Access Toyota Policy.:mad:

[Monsieurmaggot]

The dollar climbed almost 3/4 of a cent yesterday.

The trading exchange rate today is 1.1725. If you sign up with currency exchanges like XEtrade, they will give you a rate roughly .05-.075 cents above that on a $30k exchange.

That beats any banks 2-4% spread.

[scouzi]

The dollar climbed almost 3/4 of a cent yesterday.

The trading exchange rate today is 1.1725. If you sign up with currency exchanges like XEtrade, they will give you a rate roughly .05-.075 cents above that on a $30k exchange.

That beats any banks 2-4% spread.

The rate you see on XE.com is not the actual rate you will get. It's the mid-market. To get the actual rate you need to sign up and set up a fake transaction (ie $1) and then cancel it. It's still cheaper than the banks though.

[Monsieurmaggot]

You are correct Scouzi.

The more you trade, the better your exchange rate.

By the way, according to the Subaru US website, some US dealers will be taking orders on the redesigned 2008 Subaru Outback by the end of February.

Look for increased rebates on the 2007s to follow.

Also, recently Subaru announced the sale of the 2.5i Outback LLBean edition for about $3000 less than the six. You lose the 6, stability, traction control, the LED side mirrors and the fancy upgraded steering wheel but gain Navigation (which is like a million dollar* upgrade if you buy it in Canada)

*slight exaggeration

Even with a 20% exchange rate and all costs factored in, you save thousands on either car buying in the US.

[perfchris]

Ing Direct is at 1.191. That is a pretty good rate. 1.6 % over. Does anyone know how easy it is to wire money from an ING account ?

[Monsieurmaggot]

Sadly ING does not offer international transfers or provide cheques.

You'll need to go to a regular bank to do that.

Keep your cash in ING and set up a US full service account with a regular bank.

Transfer it when you're ready.

In my case, my bank wants $85 to transfer money over electronically to my US dealers' account. The dealer accepts EFTs. The other option is to bring a US certified cheque across the border. You'll need to declare anything over $10k or risk having it seized by US Customs. Some folks get a bit a grief when they declare that kind of cash.

As far as the ING rate, on a $30k purchase you're still giving them almost $500. The regular bank gave me a discount exchange rate of $650!! On a $30k transfer, you should easily get a rate of $40-65 per $10k (depending on how much you actually commit to the exchange company)

Sign up with a currency exchage service. It will take about a week to have them do a background check on you but on such a large purchase, it's worth the effort.

There's a whole new thread possible here. Banking charges....

[perfchris]

Would you mind sharing the bank you deal with ?

[scouzi]

You are correct Scouzi.

The more you trade, the better your exchange rate.

By the way, according to the Subaru US website, some US dealers will be taking orders on the redesigned 2008 Subaru Outback by the end of February.

Look for increased rebates on the 2007s to follow.

Also, recently Subaru announced the sale of the 2.5i Outback LLBean edition for about $3000 less than the six. You lose the 6, stability, traction control, the LED side mirrors and the fancy upgraded steering wheel but gain Navigation (which is like a million dollar* upgrade if you buy it in Canada)

*slight exaggeration

Even with a 20% exchange rate and all costs factored in, you save thousands on either car buying in the US.

I'm waiting for the 2008 Tribeca to be announced so I can get the 2007 cheaper. In new England, they are not moving at all. They stiil have new 2006 for sale! So far there's a $2k rebate on the 2007 and a $3k rebate + low interest on the 2006. If you pay the 2006 cash, you can get more that $3k due to the financing opt-out.


You can get a fully loaded 2006 7 pass DVD/NAV/Leather for about $31k US.

[goathead]

Another example: I was looking at an Accord SE recently. When you factor in the exchange rate, the US edition costs $2000 less (MSRP). I'm willing to believe that US dealers are a bit more agressive on price, but I've never run into a situation in which dealers wouldn't negotiate. Now, I didn't look at the full set of options, but the US model lacks the moonroof, and heated side mirrors. Worthwhile? Not a chance, IMHO.

BTW, I do think this is probably worthwhile if you are looking at a vehicle which has an MSRP > 35-40K in Canada, I know when I was looking at 4runners the price difference was absurd.

[goathead]

Since USD:CAD=1.19 now, not like 5 month ago for 1.13, I believe buy Carmy from US is not saving too much in Canada East (they can negotiate price in there), but in West we have Access Toyota Policy.:mad:

What is this Toyota Access Policy?

[shopper-X]

What is this Toyota Access Policy?

Basically it like Saturn...the price you see is the price you pay, no bargaining and all dealers sell at MSRP.

[Monsieurmaggot]

A local (ONT.) Toyota dealer told me that the dealers in other provinces like AB and QC don't abide by the MSRP rule and assign their own pricing schedule (sounds like a cartel). In AB they use the Toyota Access Policy to keep all dealers on a even keel. I'd be curious to know if the pricing in QC or AB is similar to Ontario.

In my searches I've been quoted $31,5-$32k+++ for a Rav4 Limited in Ontario. Taxes aside, anyone know what I can get the RAV4 in AB?

Still way too high when compared to a US Subaru or even the new 2007 Hyundai Santa Fe GLS.

[goathead]

A local (ONT.) Toyota dealer told me that the dealers in other provinces like AB and QC don't abide by the MSRP rule and assign their own pricing schedule (sounds like a cartel). In AB they use the Toyota Access Policy to keep all dealers on a even keel. I'd be curious to know if the pricing in QC or AB is similar to Ontario.

In my searches I've been quoted $31,5-$32k+++ for a Rav4 Limited in Ontario. Taxes aside, anyone know what I can get the RAV4 in AB?

Still way too high when compared to a US Subaru or even the new 2007 Hyundai Santa Fe GLS.

I don't understand... Why are you comparing a Canadian price on a RAV to a US price for a Subaru? FWIW, I'm NOT a RAV fan, but if I wanted one, I'd look at the US price and Canadian price, and make my call based on that.

[goathead]

Basically it like Saturn...the price you see is the price you pay, no bargaining and all dealers sell at MSRP.

Well, I thought the Saturn propaganda was that they had less markup, therefore the listed price was fair. Personally I've never looked into this, since I'm not a Saturn fan. But if the western dealers are really trying to push MSRP, no bargaining, I'd skip Toyota altogther (and I'm a big Toyota fan!)

[st7860]

is this a joke? i looked on toyota.com, highlander hybrid limited, about $35,000US and toyota.ca says $53,000CAD. wow.

[goathead]

is this a joke? i looked on toyota.com, highlander hybrid limited, about $35,000US and toyota.ca says $53,000CAD. wow.

That's insane. As much as I laugh at the people thinking its a good deal to save $1K or so importing an Accord, for that price I would absolutely head south.

That almost seems like the kind of thing someone should point out to our politicians - why is Toyota Canada trying to stop people from buying hybrids?

[st7860]

That's insane. As much as I laugh at the people thinking its a good deal to save $1K or so importing an Accord, for that price I would absolutely head south.

That almost seems like the kind of thing someone should point out to our politicians - why is Toyota Canada trying to stop people from buying hybrids?

toyota canada would probably say some nonsense about the local market demands. but then in the US, the toyota prius hybrid has a waiting list, but yet, toyota still sells it for $22,000US, and here, the same car without a waiting list costs $32,000CAD

[shopper-X]

toyota canada would probably say some nonsense about the local market demands. but then in the US, the toyota prius hybrid has a waiting list, but yet, toyota still sells it for $22,000US, and here, the same car without a waiting list costs $32,000CAD

If a Prius sells for $32,000 CAD then it's cheaper to buy a Camary Hybrid and get more room. However it's cheaper to buy a Prius then a Camary Hybrid in the US. What a wierd world.

CAMRY HYBRID (http://www.toyota.ca/cgi-bin/WebObjects/WWW.woa/12/wo/Home.Vehicles.Go.CamryHybrid-b1p2VJVBzpBB8tHtOOGXQ0/3.9.1?v127060e%2ehtml)
Base
$31,900 CAD
B Package
$35,580 CAD

PRIUS 5 Door Liftback (http://www.toyota.ca/cgi-bin/WebObjects/WWW.woa/12/wo/Home.Vehicles.Prius-b1p2VJVBzpBB8tHtOOGXQ0/7.11?v169060e%2ehtml)
Automatic Transmission
$31,280 CAD
Package B
$35,360 CAD
Package C
$38,710 CAD

[MMMM]

Taxes aside, anyone know what I can get the RAV4 in AB?

Base price for a Rav4 (Base) is 29300.00.
All in price is 32847.00(if you are purchasing from another province you would have to add PST)

This is from Charles Glen in Calgary.

US MSRP is 20950.00
Invoice is 19378.00


Rav4 (base) 20950.00
frieight&PDI 645.00

Cdn$(1.175) 25384.7
add the riv fee 209.00
AC fee 100.00
Mods 500.00
Us Price 26193.7

Savings 6053.3

[michelb]

Base price for a Rav4 (Base) is 29300.00.
All in price is 32847.00(if you are purchasing from another province you would have to add PST)

This is from Charles Glen in Calgary.

US MSRP is 20950.00
Invoice is 19378.00


Rav4 (base) 20950.00
frieight&PDI 645.00

Cdn$(1.175) 25384.7
add the riv fee 209.00
AC fee 100.00
Mods 500.00
Us Price 26193.7

Savings 6053.3

That's a pretty significant difference however from a quick search, the 2007 RAV4 appears to be built in Japan (please correct me if I'm wrong) so you'd pay 6.1% duty (or whatever it is) and your exchange rate might not be that realistic.

from my calculations it should be more like

base + PDI = 21595US
in CND (1.1938 (TD's buy rate right now - you might be able to do better though) = 25780.11CND
plus duty (at 6.1%) = 27352.70
plus conversion/import fees listed above = 28161.70

From Toyota.ca, I get $30798 for base+freight+AC tax (it doesn't matter whether you buy in Canada or Import, if your province charges taxes, you'll have to pay PST&GST when you register so I'm not taking taxes into consideration)

For a difference of a bit more than $2500CND. Not negligeable but not $6000 like you mentioned.

I'm not saying it's not worth it but the benefit is certainly not as great as listed. Don't forget you'll probably have to fly, maybe spend 1 or 2 nights at a hotel, meals, gas and wear (if you have to drive 500-1000km it's not huge but still something). Don't forget any potential warranty or recall complications and possible depreciation on resale.


(I also have no idea if there are any differences between US and CND base).


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Edit: Just to be clear, I think that for certain vehicles buying in the US is a great deal but for non-NAFTA built, the duty and the lower exchange rate reduce the deal by a fair amount (I do believe that on resale, having a US car with miles in the odometer could cost 5%-10% so I also consider that in how good the deal is)

[goathead]

toyota canada would probably say some nonsense about the local market demands. but then in the US, the toyota prius hybrid has a waiting list, but yet, toyota still sells it for $22,000US, and here, the same car without a waiting list costs $32,000CAD

Yep, somehow Toyota seems to prefer not to sell hybrids in Canada. It may have to do with the clout of Toyota US essentially taking up all of the supply, so supply is low up north. Beats me, but it seems pretty bogus.

[shopper-X]

Yep, somehow Toyota seems to prefer not to sell hybrids in Canada. It may have to do with the clout of Toyota US essentially taking up all of the supply, so supply is low up north. Beats me, but it seems pretty bogus.

Does Toyota Canada have to pay more to import Off-Shore cars and trucks in to Canada? Both Toyota Hybrids are built in Japan.

[tomme35]

Another alternate if you have relatives/ friends in the US is have them bought a vehicle for you and drove it into Canada, then transfering the ownership to you. Does this work? Just my 2 cents...

[shopper-X]

Another alternate if you have relatives/ friends in the US is have them bought a vehicle for you and drove it into Canada, then transfering the ownership to you. Does this work? Just my 2 cents...

Depending on the state, they would have to pay the tax on the car. Some states do not charge tax and that might work. Being from Canada, you do not have to State Tax.

[MMMM]

My goof, the Rav is made in Japan. As of 2008 it will be made in Canada. And some math errors!

Lets take this one step further. If I were to purchase the car, the average selling price for a Rav4 in the states is:

Avg selling US Price(edmunds) 20622.00
F%PDI 645.00
21267
Cdn (1.185 see note) 25201.39

Duty (6.1) 26738.68
riv 209
AC 100
Mods 245.00 ( the actual cost of my DRL conv)
27292.68
+ Gst 29203

Cdn price (no taxes) 30798
+ Gst 32953.86

As the taxes paid would be less for the US car the difference including GST is 3750.00. More savings could be had by purchasing the options in the states.

You do have to factor in the cost of picking up the car.

I agree this is not a huge difference. Purchasing a less expensive veheicle made outside of North America negates a lot of the savings. I also called three dealers and there was little to no movement on the price of A Rav4 in Canada(I was given a box of chocolates when I bought my Rav4:cheesygri ). Call most US dealers and you will find they will negotiate over the phone. Know the invoice pricing for the vehicle and start there. Then there is the warrenty factor. Are Toyota warrenties transferable to Canada? Discuss this with the dealer before the car is purchased. Recalls and TSB do transfer with any vehicle purchased in the states.

Note: This exchange is based on using a line of credit mastercard. As of 1:24 pm Monday the rate is 1.1855. A certified cheque would have cost 1.1895.
There are many ways to setup some sort of account to purchase a vehicle in the states. Some suggestions would be: US dollar account, Line of Credit, Purchase a certified cheque, wire the funds ect...
Each will have costs asscoiated with it. Talk to your bank and find out what is best for you. Remember if your bringing the cash accross the border to declare the funds!!


The following link is all the Toyotas made in North America
http://www.toyota.com/about/operations/numbers/factsfigures04/na_production.html

[goathead]

Another alternate if you have relatives/ friends in the US is have them bought a vehicle for you and drove it into Canada, then transfering the ownership to you. Does this work? Just my 2 cents...

Not if you are concerned about warranty issues. For that you need a registration in your name from the US, plus a us drivers license. Also, in most states you'd be stuck with sales tax (oregon, new hampsire, maybe others are exceptions).

[ecgz88]

In US Camry Hybrid have everything you don't need so many packages, but Prius you need add a lot.:)

If a Prius sells for $32,000 CAD then it's cheaper to buy a Camary Hybrid and get more room. However it's cheaper to buy a Prius then a Camary Hybrid in the US. What a wierd world.

CAMRY HYBRID (http://www.toyota.ca/cgi-bin/WebObjects/WWW.woa/12/wo/Home.Vehicles.Go.CamryHybrid-b1p2VJVBzpBB8tHtOOGXQ0/3.9.1?v127060e%2ehtml)
Base
$31,900 CAD
B Package
$35,580 CAD

PRIUS 5 Door Liftback (http://www.toyota.ca/cgi-bin/WebObjects/WWW.woa/12/wo/Home.Vehicles.Prius-b1p2VJVBzpBB8tHtOOGXQ0/7.11?v169060e%2ehtml)
Automatic Transmission
$31,280 CAD
Package B
$35,360 CAD
Package C
$38,710 CAD

[michelb]

I'm looking at completing a purchase in the near future so will need to convert CND$ to US$.

What's the best way to proceed? I've read in the forum that XE.com (XETrade) is very good but you need an account to get the actual rate. Can anyone give me their buy/sell rate for today (TD (Borderless account) gives me B1.1785 S1.1497 (US$ looks to be 1.1674 end of day))? What about stock brokerage accounts; do they give better rates as well? What about ING; are they competitive?

Let us know. Thanks.

[perfchris]

ING is at 1.185 as of this AM. TD seems to be a better bet. The advantage with ING is that you get 3.5 % interest annually whereas most of the big banks give you peanuts. If you are planning to purchase soon I would suggest locking in the money in the TD account.
Furthermore, ING does not have cheques and they do not allow EFT to a US bank.

[scouzi]

ING is at 1.185 as of this AM. TD seems to be a better bet. The advantage with ING is that you get 3.5 % interest annually whereas most of the big banks give you peanuts. If you are planning to purchase soon I would suggest locking in the money in the TD account.
Furthermore, ING does not have cheques and they do not allow EFT to a US bank.

XE.com trade rate this morning is 1.17665

[dealzuser]

When I do currency exchange (not to the level of a vehicle purchase. :) ), I notice that the Foreign Exchange Service merchants give better rates than the bank.

I would try calling around and see where they offer the best rate for the amount of USD you are buying.

Two that I've used before are Guardian FX and Omega Foreign Exchange Commercial. (When I went to Omega, I noticed Olympic Foreign Exchange Inc is next door.) Omega and Olympic may negotiate with you as they are Chinese owned. :)

(I just typed foreign exchange in Yellowpages for Toronto, and they all come up.)

[james-007]

XE.COM is great but you do need to remember one thing, that is with XE.COM you need to give yourself few days. 1st you'll have to setup an account with then you need to give them you bank account information. After all said and done they'll want o t verify you account with the bank and this can take few days and in my case PC changed me $16 for faxing them a letter stating that was my account. Once account has been verify you can then and only then go ahead and make the transaction.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I don't understand... Why are you comparing a Canadian price on a RAV to a US price for a Subaru? FWIW, I'm NOT a RAV fan, but if I wanted one, I'd look at the US price and Canadian price, and make my call based on that.

I have been pricing all type of AWD/4WD Wagons and SUVs in both Canadian and US markets.

In my search, the best US deals by far are with any Subaru. When it comes to the SUV-type vehicle, I've been pricing the RAV4, Santa Fe and CR-V in both countries as well. Depending on how you equip them, the savings are almost always less than $5k. That's still significant if I really wanted one of those vehicles.

The leading choice for me is a Subaru. The savings on any Subaru Legacy/Outback have ALWAYS been over $12K. At one point when the dollar was hovering over .90 cents, the total savings approached $20k (depending on how you equip the car.)

PDI in Canada always seems to be almost double the US rate.

Incidentally, today's XETrade rate for a $30k US purchase is $1.168 (trading at 1.16549). On that amount, that would be roughly $300 less than TD's rate.

[goathead]

I've been told that Accutrade should beat the Banks rates too, although my one experience for this was that the banks won out for an exchange of $50K US.

[Desalex]

You can get a Santa Fe in the States with a manual transmission and AWD on the base model, unlike the Canadian models. Order the package with DRL and sunroof (which you cant get on the base model up here) and you still come in around the same price as a base Canadian FWD Santa Fe ..

[kmchow]

There are many factors that determine selling price of the veh, the market conditions, the economy, exchange markets.

From approx 96-04 (??), Cndian car prices were on average, cheaper in Canada than the US!
Specifically, I did a comparison back in the '00 on Euro/japaneese/domestic, but it should be the same situation +/- a few years. But now, Cdn economy doing extremely well,currency is strong compared to the US soft (but getting better) economy, US prices are now cheaper. There obviously is more brands in the US as well like Dodge/Mecury/Scion that is not sold in Canada.

The manufacturers are just making up the difference now. Is it fair? That depends on who you talk to.

[DSTU]

There are many factors that determine selling price of the veh, the market conditions, the economy, exchange markets.

From approx 96-04 (??), Cndian car prices were on average, cheaper in Canada than the US!
Specifically, I did a comparison back in the '00 on Euro/japaneese/domestic, but it should be the same situation +/- a few years. But now, Cdn economy doing extremely well,currency is strong compared to the US soft (but getting better) economy, US prices are now cheaper. There obviously is more brands in the US as well like Dodge/Mecury/Scion that is not sold in Canada.

The manufacturers are just making up the difference now. Is it fair? That depends on who you talk to.

The manufacturers did not lose money when cars were cheaper in Canada than in the US. They are in to get the highest profit. So don't feel bad for them when you can save thousands by buying a car in the US, they still made a sale.

[shopper-X]

The manufacturers did not lose money when cars were cheaper in Canada than in the US. They are in to get the highest profit. So don't feel bad for them when you can save thousands by buying a car in the US, they still made a sale.

Porsche is making an average of $33,200 per Vehicle profit.
http://news.en.autos.sympatico.msn.ca/article.aspx?cp-documentid=2644530

Porsche sold 97,000 units and had a record gain of €2.11 billion ($3.21 bn CAD) before taxes.



BMW makes €2,475 ($3,769 CAD) for each car it sells - a handsome figure, no doubt. Toyota pulls in an average of €1,684 ($2,564 CAD), while Audi makes €1,580 ($2,406 CAD). DaimlerChrysler (including Mercedes-Benz and Smart) makes €708 ($1,078 CAD), and VW makes just €332 ($505 CAD) per vehicle

[Rick]

Any luck with Infiniti and bringing one across the border?

[Inno]

Does anyone know about the logistics and legalities of bringing in new or used motorcycles?

From seeing ads on Craigslist and ebay there is a significant price difference.

[Monsieurmaggot]

After eight months of searching and comparison shopping, I have finally closed a deal for a 2007 Subaru 3.0R Outback LLBean wagon from the US.

After all is said and done, my savings were over $15,000 Cdn. I could have saved even more had the deal been done when the exchange rate was closer to 10%.

I have placed a factory order for a new unit which will be ready for delivery by the end of March. Unfortunately I was hoping to wait until Subaru offered $1500 cash back (later in the year) but my '97 Taurus has other plans which put me in a position to proceed immediately.

As a last resort, I did the final rounds of Canadian dealerships trying to get a good deal on a similar vehicle. I wasn't committed to the Subaru. It just has all the options and features I want. I was reminded of a monopoly or a vendors market. The more I shopped in Canada the stronger my desire was to buy in the US. There was no room for real negotiations. Deals were discussed in the "hundreds' not thousands (let alone more!). I was open to smaller SUVs or wagons. The closest thing I could come up with was a Toyota RAV4 Limited with specific accessories for $41k all inclusive. That was after two weeks of negotiations. The Honda CRV EX-L with essentially the same accessories was slightly less at $39k. I came really close to buying a Huyndai Santa Fe GLS with NO accessories for a driveaway price of $37,300. After I came to my senses, I realized that for essentially the same money as that, I could get a fully equipped top-of-the line Subaru. With all the options and accessories I ordered from the US, the same car as mine in Canada is over $53k driveaway priced.

When speaking to my insurance agent, I was told that the better insurance deal for me was the Subaru as they are highly ranked by the IIHS.org group. I would actually pay less for the Subaru (which costs more money in Canada) than any of the smaller SUVs I looked at.

From those who have been following these post, you know that I have also looked at all other AWD/4WD wagons availabe in Canada such as the Volvos and Audis.

Over the next few weeks, I will provide everyone with the step-by-step process that I am going through to import my car. It would vary slightly from model to model. The overall process is relatively the same across the country.

Initial Research, purchase and transit process:

Step One (done):
I checked with RIV.ca, personally called them and they confirmed that the vehicle conforms to the required entry standard. I was told the absolute need for DRLs, rear-seat child seat anchors and bilingual airbag warning stickers. Since this isn't the first Subaru Outback that has been imported the person told me there wasn't much to worry about since those three items come standard on my vehicle. The RIV agent said that unless the vehicle has a dual speedometer display (or one that can be switched electronically from the Imperial to metric system), I would need stickers placed on the dash showing the conversion rate. The Subaru, like most cars have the dual display anyway. I should also expect to adhere a sticker on the door jam indicating that the odometre measures Imperial (not metric) units.

Step Two (done):
Confirmed that the Subaru warranty is transferable to Canada. It is.

Step Three (done):
Confirmed with my insurance agent that I can bring in a US car and insure it during the "limbo period". No problems.


Step Four (done):
Buy the car.

Step Five (almost done):
Insurance paperwork for delivery, transit and inspection.

I am lucky enough to have State Farm as my insurance company who have agreed to automatically transfer my coverage over to the new car as soon as I legally take possession of it in the US. Their underwriter insists that I bring over "temporary Ontario transit plates" as well as equip the vehicle with temporary NY state plate during the cross-over. They have given me 30 days to have the vehicle plated properly in Ontario. During this time, unless the car is going in for a federal inspection, I am NOT permitted to drive the car around. Fair enough. The US dealer requires a proof of insurance letter from my agent with specific details outlining that the specific car is insured. They will not accept the standard pink "insurance card" that everyone gets. This has to do with NY state liability laws I suppose.

The proof of insurance letter would include:

Name and address of agent, Insurance company, manufacturer, model, VIN, policy number, effective date, my name and address are among the items requested on the letter.

Until I get a physical VIN number from the dealer, my insurance company can't generate a letter for me. They agreed to do it and like me are just waiting for the VIN number.

Step Six:
Once the car is ready for delivery, the dealership will fax over the ownership and bill of sale to US Customs (to the specific crossing that I will pass through) ahead of time. US Customs requires three working days.

At the same time the dealership will request a "recall letter" from Subaru of America which is required by Transport Canada to ensure that the vehicle in question has all potential recall issues resolved. That isn't required for entry into Canada but is expected at the final inspection. This letter will be mailed to me and should arrive two weeks after I take delivery of the vehicle.

That's all there is so far. Now we just wait for the car to arrive.

[MMMM]

Congrats on the purchase and the huge savings!

[perfchris]

Congrats on the purchase. All the best for the process. It is great saving 15000 dollars !

How are you going to proceed to get the funds to the dealer ?

Thanks in advance

[vr6man25]

Monsieurmaggot ,
whats the final cost for you.
Where did you buy it?
Do you have to pick it up at the dealership?
Also Please keep the very helpful Information coming
Thanks.

[shopper-X]

Way to go Monsieurmaggot!
Keep us informed with more updates.

[yyz2hkg]

Way to Monsieurmaggot!
Keep us informed with more updates.

+1:arrowu: thanks to your thread, I purchased one last Oct. ThX MonsieurMaggot. Hope you enjoy your car as I am.

[Inno]

Can someone who had done it post an accounting of Can. $ price, US $ price, total cost of "extras", etc. so that we can see how the numbers crunch for a real car?

Much appreciated!

[Monsieurmaggot]

Thanks guys.

Here's what I can tell you specifically when it comes to finances.

I set up a trading account with XEtrade. They are a currency exchange service.

They aren't the only ones around but I can say a currency exchange service saves you so much more money than dealing with a specific bank. Remember we're all RFDers here and saving money is the key right?

I went with XEtrade since they permit EFTs to a third party and their rates are phenomenal when exchanging $20k+. Their exchange rate coupled with EFTs saves me the hassle of physically going to a bank.

The whole transaction was done over the 'net, I think banking should be as well.

For the past few months, I've had dialogue with a few Subaru dealers in WNY.

Pricing between them was essentially the same and it was merely a matter of finalizing a purchase based on geographic location and dealer reputation. The most aggressive dealership (no nonesense pricing) from the start was located in Rochester. They claim to be the largest Subaru dealership in the US and have an Internet sales group. It turns out of the three Subaru dealers in WNY willing to sell to Canadians, every one of them had an Internet Sales Manager.

Here's what I ordered (prior to any rebates or dealer incentives):

Invoice pricing (readily available off the 'net)

2007 Willow Green 3.0R LLBean model 7DM (no navigation) $29,975 w/$625 freight included (direct from SoA dealer)
When buying from an eastern US dealer (those in NY state), the invoice price is about $250 more since the cars are distributed via an intermediary company.
The invoice for this particular model ranges from $29,975 - $30250. Minor point but nevertheless important to note that there are slight geographical price differences based on who actually controls a particular market.

Bumper Moldings ( 2 pair) Front and back ($35x2)
Wheel Locks ($28)
License Plate Bracket ($31)
Security System Shock Sensor ($79)
Rubber Winter Mats ($33)
Home Link Upgrade ($49)
Armrest Extension ($106)
Read Dome Lamp ($56)
Cargo Net Package ($102)
Total options: $554
Total Invoice: $30,778US

NY State temporary transit ($60)
Full Tank of gas ($45)
Fuel Surcharge ($7)

Subtract:
$750 rebate
$550 dealer incentive
$internet sales incentive (typically $75 - $100 off)
$whatever else you can negotiate.

Total driveaway cost for this package (with all incentives and rebates applied) from all three dealers were in the $29,500US range. While I would love to share my final price, I will let you negotiate exact pricing yourself since your accessory selection may vary. The LLBean package already comes with metal door sills, upgraded floor mats, mud flaps and the auto dimming mirror standard so those were not required. There is a minor upgrade cost for the homelink option (less than $50 US). For about $1500US more, I could add the computer interface which includes navigation and a more thorough system diagnostic system. If you opt. for the lesser models, you will not get stability and traction control option. I was after the six cylinder model. If you want raw power and a higher "wow" factor, you can choose the turbocharged four (Outback XT) which won the "Engine of the Year" award in 2006. That model also features the renouned SI Drive performance management system. It's cost roughly the same as the LLBean but you trade niceties for mechanical performance.

Now the fun part, try pricing the accessories and PDI in Canada! Holy mackerel.

To answer vr6man25's question, since I live in the Toronto area, will be picking up the vehicle personally at the dealership and driving it back the same day.

[BeeBee]

Thank you monsieurmaggot!! This thread was a real eye openner and a lot of help for buying a car in the US. :D

[goathead]

Excellent. Funny, I was looking at buying a Subaru or Honda recently in Canada. My conclusion was that the Subaru dealers here are arrogant pricks. The honda dealer was easy to deal with, gave me $2500 more for my trade than subaru offered, and it only took a bit of effort to get them to drop $1500 off the list price of a Civic.

Subaru is doing a good think letting you transfer the warranty, it would be nice if Toyota &/or Honda would do this (the 4runner is another of those vehicles which is stunningly overpriced here).

[methyl]

Thanks guys.


Did you need to do anything in order to transfer warranty to Canada on the Subaru or is that automatic?

[yyz2hkg]

Did you need to do anything in order to transfer warranty to Canada on the Subaru or is that automatic?

I just took mine to the Subaru dealer I chose and they entered the VIN # into their computer. Nothing on my part was done, and dealer said to leave everything to them. Easy...the hard part was finding a dealer who showed some class, and didn't give me BS on warranty.

[michelb]

...

Subaru is doing a good think letting you transfer the warranty, it would be nice if Toyota &/or Honda would do this (the 4runner is another of those vehicles which is stunningly overpriced here). ...

Toyota does transfer for the warranty.

[goathead]

Toyota does transfer for the warranty.

My experience says otherwise. I needed a warranty service on a legally imported Toyota, due to a recall. Toyota Canada told me they provide no coverage, unless Toyota US provides it. Toyota US told me they would cover it only with proof that the vehicle was registered in the US in my name. In my case this was true, so it was easy.

Honda is amazingly hard-assed about warranty transfers.

[Beradon]

Honda is amazingly hard-assed about warranty transfers.In that case don't buy a Honda. I'll rather support a company that doesn't throw up such nonsense when dealing with BS warranty threats. Do buy from Subaru, Nissan, BMW, Hyundai, or any other company that honors warranties in Canada on cars purchased in the US.

[goathead]

In that case don't buy a Honda. I'll rather support a company that doesn't throw up such nonsense when dealing with BS warranty threats. Do buy from Subaru, Nissan, BMW, Hyundai, or any other company that honors warranties in Canada on cars purchased in the US.

Well, that can be one consideration. OTOH, my recent experience told me there was little price difference on a Honda purchased in Canada or US. So, if that's the vehicle someone wants, the warranty transfer isn't much of a big deal - just buy in Canada. FWIW, I'm a big fan of Toyota trucks (I've owned 4 of them), and Honda cars (2).

[michelb]

My experience says otherwise. I needed a warranty service on a legally imported Toyota, due to a recall. Toyota Canada told me they provide no coverage, unless Toyota US provides it. Toyota US told me they would cover it only with proof that the vehicle was registered in the US in my name. In my case this was true, so it was easy.

Honda is amazingly hard-assed about warranty transfers.

I'm not sure what to say, several other people have said that they have had their US Toyota's repaired under warranty in Canada with no problems (I haven't bought yet but I'm looking at importing a Toyota and you're the first I hear say that they don't honor the warranty).

As far as recalls, even Honda Canada has to perform recalls on US cars - on their website, they state that they will perform recalls on US models so I believe the person you spoke to may be in error (I believe that by law they are required to perform the recall and this has nothing to do with warranty coverage (recalls apply even if the car is out of warranty))

[goathead]

I'm not sure what to say, several other people have said that they have had their US Toyota's repaired under warranty in Canada with no problems (I haven't bought yet but I'm looking at importing a Toyota and you're the first I hear say that they don't honor the warranty).



So, when I had a recall on a US made Toyota, I needed to arrange it through Toyota US. Toyota Canada claims to have no information regarding recalls on US made vehicles. I did this as a one-off.

I have much more experience with Honda than Toyota as far as warranty issues, but I would highly recommend talking directly with both Toyota Canada and Toyota US.

[sliq1]

I'm gonna bump this thread so I can read it later (all 50+ pages) I'm in the market of a new car and if I can get a car for 5Gs cheaper in the US....

edit
been reading some and something tells me my province ......yes damn Quebec will screw me somehow if I did import a new car..





ok back to reading

[perfchris]

Others have imported new cars into Quebec. If you pay GST at the border and PST upon registration, they cannot give you a hard time !

[lt_x]

HEy everyone I tried to do this late last year when I was trying to buy a new Yaris, as I was going to save around $1300 CDN even though the car is from Japan and I would have to pay duties on it.

The problem was I could not find a dealer to sell to Canadians believe me I tried (15-20 Dealerships). Apparently Toyota has threatened revoking thier dealers licence if they are caught selling to Canadians. They can tell becasue when you buy it you have to get an import form (I forget the exact form) from the dealer when you register it which has to go with the bill of sale to Toyota.

So yes there is big savings to be had but you need to find a way to get a US Address and then import it into Canada.

I don't know what it's like for other car manufacturers but just a heads up before you start buying plane tickets. Call ahead!!

[sliq1]

Others have imported new cars into Quebec. If you pay GST at the border and PST upon registration, they cannot give you a hard time !

I hope it's that simple because our province is known to be an a-hole :D

[Rick]

Makes no difference since you are not paying taxes on the car in the US anyway since you are not registering it (taxes are paid on cars on registration).

If you have an amerifriend, can you get them to buy the car, transfer it to you so you can drive it to the border without paying the local state tax?

[perfchris]

If your friend is a US resident, then they can be forced into paying the local sales tax. Then, if you buy it from them, you would have to pay GST and PST on top of that amount . It is really not worth it.

How about someone who is a US resident and a Canadian citizen. Can they buy the car in the US, do not pay tax in the US since they are not registering it there, bring it into Canada, register it in Canada and then give it to you. That way, the car has a US address for the garantee.

[Rick]

If your friend is a US resident, then they can be forced into paying the local sales tax. Then, if you buy it from them, you would have to pay GST and PST on top of that amount . It is really not worth it.

How about someone who is a US resident and a Canadian citizen. Can they buy the car in the US, do not pay tax in the US since they are not registering it there, bring it into Canada, register it in Canada and then give it to you. That way, the car has a US address for the garantee.

Can't the dealership still deny them if they know that their intent is to import it to Canada? Lexus in Portland did that to my friend.

[Alexo]

The problem was I could not find a dealer to sell to Canadians believe me I tried (15-20 Dealerships). Apparently Toyota has threatened revoking thier dealers licence if they are caught selling to Canadians. They can tell becasue when you buy it you have to get an import form (I forget the exact form) from the dealer when you register it which has to go with the bill of sale to Toyota.
We really should get a legal opinion on that but I smell a nice, juicy class action suit.

[goathead]

HEy everyone I tried to do this late last year when I was trying to buy a new Yaris, as I was going to save around $1300 CDN even though the car is from Japan and I would have to pay duties on it.



Did you figure out if you'd have a warranty? I'm still very curious about other's experiences with Toyota in this respect.

[lt_x]

Did you figure out if you'd have a warranty? I'm still very curious about other's experiences with Toyota in this respect.

Yes I phoned Toyota's North American head office and spoke to three different people who said they would honour the warranty in Canada, no worries there. they all assured me it would be as simple as taking it to your local dealer. One of them even reminded me to make sure you are getting a model that comes ready for our winters. In some states a block heater and all season tires are not standard, just another heads up.

It's too bad they neglected to tell me that no one would sell it to me because of their policy.

[eljay]

Did anyone buy their car far from the border?

For example, I'm looking at a car from Texas, but I'm in NS. So, I'm hoping to have it shipped somewhere in North East U.S. and then fly down and drive it home fromthere. Did anyone do something like this? Which shipping company did you use?

Thanks.

[Rick]

If one of my friends from the States buys a car and drive it to Vancouver, are they able to transfer ownership to me like that? Would I still have to pay the 6.1% duties?

[inspire]

If one of my friends from the States buys a car and drive it to Vancouver, are they able to transfer ownership to me like that? Would I still have to pay the 6.1% duties?

^ Yes ... your friends paid the taxes in the US ... you still are responsible for taxes in Canada. Mind you ... the 6.1% import duty is for anything that does not fall under NAFTA rules (ie 50% content from North American sources).

Nice try, though.

[inspire]

Can't the dealership still deny them if they know that their intent is to import it to Canada? Lexus in Portland did that to my friend.

Best bet would be buy a used Lexus from the dealership. Over in Detroit, Meade Lexus actively advertises used car for export (to Canada) in the Windsor Star. Business at Lexus of Windsor ... what a joke. (But the guys in Windsor deserve it since they're a bunch of jerks ...)

[bobbyt]

Where are Subaru's built?
don't non-domestic cars have 6% duty?

[Prof]

Where are Subaru's built?
don't non-domestic cars have 6% duty?

Varies with model. e.g. Outback is made in the US while the Forester is assembled in Japan.

[perfchris]

Where are Subaru's built?
don't non-domestic cars have 6% duty?

www.cars101.com is a great web site that will give you all the info you need about subarus and the import process. This site is brought to you by a Subaru dealer in the Seattle area but the info applies to all the US and Canada.

[crikey]

If your friend is a US resident, then they can be forced into paying the local sales tax. Then, if you buy it from them, you would have to pay GST and PST on top of that amount . It is really not worth it.

How about someone who is a US resident and a Canadian citizen? Can they buy the car in the US, do not pay tax in the US since they are not registering it there, bring it into Canada, register it in Canada and then give it to you. That way, the car has a US address for the guarantee.

The dealership may or may not allow the sale IF the buyer specifically states that the vehicle will be imported to Canada. That is at the dealership's discretion. Now, if the buyer just buys it without divulging that information, then it is doable. Problem is, they will likely be subject to the sales tax for purchasing the vehicle.

A workaround to NOT paying the sales tax is to buy the vehicle in a state different from the buyer's resident state. For example, I am a US permanent resident and a Canadian Citizen. My resident state is Florida. I can purchase a vehicle in any other state outside FL. The out-of-resident-state dealership will not charge sales tax under the assumption that the vehicle will be registered in FL, where FL sales tax will be paid upon registration.

The fly in the ointment is that I cannot, technically, register the vehicle in Canada since I currently do not have a Canadian driver's license. That is a requirement to register a vehicle in Ontario, I am not sure about other provinces. There maybe ways around this, like stating that it is a gift to your parent (which I think, exempts some form of taxation) and have the parent, who is licensed in Canada, to register it.

[cchiu]

Hi,

I've been looking into getting a Vue and came across this great thread. Here is my contribution to it through my research.

No Saturn dealership in the US is allowed to sell a NEW vehicle to anyone without a US citizenship / residence (not sure which one it is).

They can sell you USED Saturns, however. If you do buy a USED one, Saturn Canada will honour the manufacture's warranty if there's anything left. Call 1-800-553-6000 if you would like to check this yourself.

This stuff is already mentioned in this thread but I'll say it here again for your convenience: You will also have to pay $200 for the RIV fee, 8.25% NY state tax, $40+ for admin fee, 7% GST. It still works out to be a lot cheaper than buying here in Canada.

Hope this helps someone.

[perfchris]

If you are not registering the vehicle in the US and you are not a US resident, then you should not pay NY tax. The only tax you pay is GST at the border and PST upon registration !

[Beradon]

No Saturn dealership in the US is allowed to sell a NEW vehicle to anyone without a US citizenship / residence (not sure which one it is).With the precarious financial situation that GM is in they should really reconsider being picky about who is or isn't qualified to buy 'their' new cars.

[cchiu]

How would you go about getting re-imbursed or should the dealer not charge it to you? Thanks

If you are not registering the vehicle in the US and you are not a US resident, then you should not pay NY tax. The only tax you pay is GST at the border and PST upon registration !

[crikey]

If you are not registering the vehicle in the US and you are not a US resident, then you should not pay NY tax. The only tax you pay is GST at the border and PST upon registration !

That is under the assumption that the dealership would sell the vehicle to a Canadian buyer knowing that the vehicle will be imported to Canada. I think the buyer's issue is that a dealership would not sell the vehicle for Canadian importing which prompted the buyer to find a workaround.

[crikey]

How would you go about getting re-imbursed or should the dealer not charge it to you? Thanks

Let's assume that the dealership does agree to sell the vehicle. Since the vehicle will not be registered in NY State, the dealership is not supposed to charge sales tax. However, this maybe on a state by state basis also.

For example, if NY has to charge sales tax on the vehicle and the vehicle gets registered in FL, the DMV will not charge additional sales tax to register the vehicle since sales tax has already been taken, i.e. FL recognizes the sales tax paid. The downside is that NY sales tax is higher than FL sales tax. So, the difference paid will not be refunded by FL or NY.

For a Canadian buyer purchasing in NY, this will result in double taxation -- one in NY and one in Canada. A workaround to sales taxes is to buy from a state with no sales taxes, like New Hampshire OR Oregon (I think, not sure).

[perfchris]

You will NOT be charged sales tax of you are not a resident of NY. On top of that, if you do not register the car in NY there is no reason that you should pay sales tax. It is in the NY DMV papers (google it).

[crikey]

You will NOT be charged sales tax of you are not a resident of NY. On top of that, if you do not register the car in NY there is no reason that you should pay sales tax. It is in the NY DMV papers (google it).

Again, what actually happens is not always what should happen. If the dealership is decent, they will NOT charge sales tax. But, if they are not and know that being a Canadian buyer, you are SOL, they may charge you sales tax and pocket it as profit. There will be NO record of the vehicle at the NY DMV since it will not be registered there. So, NY State will not know that the buyer was charged sales tax and therefore, cannot collect it from the dealership. Dealerships are out to make money and they will try everything to extract as much out of a buyer as possible.

Bottomline, the Canadian buyer must be well educated about the DMV policies for the US state to purchase from. If NY DMV says they should not charge sales tax, then the Canadian buyer must show this documentation to the dealership IF the dealership insists on charging sales tax.

[joe friday]

Bottomline, the Canadian buyer must be well educated about the DMV policies for the US state to purchase from. If NY DMV says they should not charge sales tax, then the Canadian buyer must show this documentation to the dealership IF the dealership insists on charging sales tax.

Or better yet, tell the dealer to shove it up his ass and walk out the door. Why would you want to do business with a crook like that?

(And report him too!)

[Monsieurmaggot]

From every vehicle I've ever bought, you can't buy a car anywhere without proof of insurance AND a valid drivers' license. Residency is declared on the purchase agreement.

One of the first things I was told by the US dealer I'm dealing with was to provide a photocopy of my license and proof of insurance. This is what is used by the dealership to determine tax exemption.

You only pay tax in the jurisdiction you live in.

Aside from a temporary NY transit permit, I didn't pay a cent to any US government body.

[crikey]

From every vehicle I've ever bought, you can't buy a car anywhere without proof of insurance AND a valid drivers' license. Residency is declared on the purchase agreement.

One of the first things I was told by the US dealer I'm dealing with was to provide a photocopy of my license and proof of insurance. This is what is used by the dealership to determine tax exemption.

You only pay tax in the jurisdiction you live in.

Aside from a temporary NY transit permit, I didn't pay a cent to any US government body.

Not everyone knows this, which is why someone like cchiu was asking. I wasn't certain if NYS charges sales taxes on vehicles not to be registered there. Some states may, since I've heard some US buyers (who are actually US residents) actually get charged sales taxes for an out-of-state vehicle purchase, which is why I stated it is on a state-by-state basis and provided scenarios should sales tax be charged. It is good to know that NYS does state that dealerships should not charge sales taxes for non-NYS residents.

I do agree that the general rule-of-thumb is sales taxes should not to be charged if buyer is non-resident of state.

[crikey]

Or better yet, tell the dealer to shove it up his ass and walk out the door. Why would you want to do business with a crook like that?

(And report him too!)

But that's assuming the buyer knows that the dealership is not allowed to charge sales taxes. Otherwise, yes, a walkout is in order.

[stock_junkie]

Sorry I did a search and couldn't find the answer to a quick question: I'm interested in purchasing the RAV4 in the U.S. but until they finish that Toyota plant in Cambridge in 2008, the RAV4's will be manufactured in Japan. If I buy the RAV4 USED would I still have to pay the additional 6.1% duty? TIA.

[yyz2hkg]

Sory I did a search and couldn't find the answer to a quick question: I'm interested in purchasing the RAV4 in the U.S. but until they finish that Toyota plant in Cambridge in 2008, the RAV4's will be manufactured in Japan. If I buy the RAV4 USED would I still have to pay the additional 6.1% duty? TIA.

YES...6.1% of vehicle value.

[ecgz88]

Toyota Motor Corporation will no longer allow U.S. dealerships to sell new Toyota vehicles with less than 7000 miles to Canadian residents unless they can prove some sort of residencey in the USA.

That's the e-mail I got from US WA Toyota dealer.:cry:

[Monsieurmaggot]

I did compare the RAV4 (US vs. Canada) along with a few other vehicles and when you factor in the exchange, and duty, I was only saving about $5000.

Still cheaper than in Canada.

Having someone sell you a RAV4 within reasonable driving distance of the border is another matter.

[Rick]

I did compare the RAV4 (US vs. Canada) along with a few other vehicles and when you factor in the exchange, and duty, I was only saving about $5000.

Still cheaper than in Canada.

Having someone sell you a RAV4 within reasonable driving distance of the border is another matter.

"only" $5000 is still a lot of money. That will buy you a nice home entertainment system. :)

[iandi]

I was pretty set to buy my car in the US.....Well, after much investigating I bought my Inifiniti G35x in Canada, I paid pretty much the same as the US price that was offered to me by 2 dealers in buffalo area. I used carcostcanada.com and made an offer to the canadian dealer at 4.5% above his invoice which he accepted.

[inspire]

I bought my Inifiniti G35x in Canada ... and made an offer to the canadian dealer at 4.5% above his invoice which he accepted.

Dude ... could you post the invoice cost of a G35x in Canada? One thing I absolutely *hate* about car sales in Canada is that you can't find out any dealer cost info about a car without paying for it.

Meanwhile ... go to Yahoo Autos and it lists the invoice cost for every conceivable car sold in the US ... :evil:

[ecgz88]

I was pretty set to buy my car in the US.....Well, after much investigating I bought my Inifiniti G35x in Canada, I paid pretty much the same as the US price that was offered to me by 2 dealers in buffalo area. I used carcostcanada.com and made an offer to the canadian dealer at 4.5% above his invoice which he accepted.

I need too.:)


Inifiniti G35x need pay 6.1% duty:(

[iandi]

You can go to carcostcanada.com to check out all the options for 30 or 40 bucks...but for the base price:

MSRP $43,390.00, Wholesale $40,263.00 (canadian)- this does not include freight of $1630 (no mark-up), and does not include options/packages. The dealer will usually accept around 5% profit as far as I understand (worked for me). Not sure why this information is readily available in the USA but not here...

[shopper-X]

You can go to carcostcanada.com to check out all the options for 30 or 40 bucks...but for the base price:

MSRP $43,390.00, Wholesale $40,263.00 (canadian)- this does not include freight of $1630 (no mark-up), and does not include options/packages. The dealer will usually accept around 5% profit as far as I understand (worked for me). Not sure why this information is readily available in the USA but not here...

I think it has to do with Taxes. The higher the price the more taxes the Government of Canada gets.

[ecgz88]

40,263.00+4.5%? that's another $2000! so basically $1500 off MSRP:o

I know in US can get G35X Top model with all opinions for around USD40K, still cheaper than Canada if you do not need pay duty:(


You can go to carcostcanada.com to check out all the options for 30 or 40 bucks...but for the base price:

MSRP $43,390.00, Wholesale $40,263.00 (canadian)- this does not include freight of $1630 (no mark-up), and does not include options/packages. The dealer will usually accept around 5% profit as far as I understand (worked for me). Not sure why this information is readily available in the USA but not here...

[ecgz88]

:twisted: tried all WA Toyota dealer, no one would sell brand new to Canadian.

[michelb]

:twisted: tried all WA Toyota dealer, no one would sell brand new to Canadian.

Look for Toyota forums on the net to find dealerships that will sell to Canadians. Unfortunately, most (all ?!?) of the ones close to the border will not sell to Canadians but if you travel a bit further south you shouldn't have too much trouble (probably not really their fault, Toyota dealerships in Canada are probably putting a lot of pressure on Toyota Canada to tell Toyota USA to tell their border dealerships not to sell to Canadians or risk losing their franchise).

[jackboot]

Look for Toyota forums on the net to find dealerships that will sell to Canadians. Unfortunately, most (all ?!?) of the ones close to the border will not sell to Canadians but if you travel a bit further south you shouldn't have too much trouble (probably not really their fault, Toyota dealerships in Canada are probably putting a lot of pressure on Toyota Canada to tell Toyota USA to tell their border dealerships not to sell to Canadians or risk losing their franchise).

What the CDN dealerships *should* be doing is putting pressure on Toyota Canada to lower their prices to be in line with the current exchange rate :rolleyes:

[jhardy]

Toyota dealerships in Canada should be putting a lot of pressure on Toyota Canada to stop gouging, instead.

[jackboot]

Toyota dealerships in Canada should be putting a lot of pressure on Toyota Canada to stop gouging, instead.

BEAT YOU!!! ;)

[Pseudo Nim]

What the CDN dealerships *should* be doing is putting pressure on Toyota Canada to lower their prices to be in line with the current exchange rate :rolleyes:

Uh, sure, whatever you say. Subaru dealers here have been doing that to Subaru Canada ever since the exchange rate collapsed. And you know what happens now? They buy Subarus in the US to sell them locally for less than Canadian Subarus. :)

[DSTU]

Dude ... could you post the invoice cost of a G35x in Canada? One thing I absolutely *hate* about car sales in Canada is that you can't find out any dealer cost info about a car without paying for it.

Meanwhile ... go to Yahoo Autos and it lists the invoice cost for every conceivable car sold in the US ... :evil:

are you sure about that?

Canada
Base G35x - $45000

US
Base G35 $32000 x 6.1% x 1.18 = $40000

So youa re saying you got it for $40000 in Canada before taxes?

[Pseudo Nim]

are you sure about that?

Canada
Base G35x - $45000

US
Base G35 $32000 x 6.1% x 1.18 = $40000

So youa re saying you got it for $40000 in Canada before taxes?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the G35 RWD while G35x is AWD?

[crasher]

are you sure about that?

Canada
Base G35x - $45000

US
Base G35 $32000 x 6.1% x 1.18 = $40000

So youa re saying you got it for $40000 in Canada before taxes?

You can get it for $50000 taxes in

[crasher]

I am looking for new Camry. It is strange that here in Canada you can not get 4cyl XLE, while in US you can. Did someone find a toyota dealer in Buffalo area, who will sell a new car for export?
Edit: Just read the reviews for 07Camry, It just scared **** out of me. Holding it off for now maybe for good.

[Beradon]

What the CDN dealerships *should* be doing is putting pressure on Toyota Canada to lower their prices to be in line with the current exchange rate :rolleyes:What you as consumers should be doing is stop buying Toyotas. There are plenty of good alternatives and Toyotas aren't the only game in town. Punish them collectively with your wallet and let's see how fast Toyota will succumb to pressure.

[jhardy]

Uh, sure, whatever you say. Subaru dealers here have been doing that to Subaru Canada ever since the exchange rate collapsed. And you know what happens now? They buy Subarus in the US to sell them locally for less than Canadian Subarus. :)

OK then, Toyota dealers should follow suit. It's unreal how much Canadians are being ripped off on Tacos.

What you as consumers should be doing is stop buying Toyotas. There are plenty of good alternatives and Toyotas aren't the only game in town. Punish them collectively with your wallet and let's see how fast Toyota will succumb to pressure.The others are almost as arrogant as Toyota though.

[michelb]

What you as consumers should be doing is stop buying Toyotas. There are plenty of good alternatives and Toyotas aren't the only game in town. Punish them collectively with your wallet and let's see how fast Toyota will succumb to pressure.

That kind of works except that it's not just Toyota; many (the majority of ?!?) cars are significantly cheaper in the US than in Canada (especially if you do not factor in the duty (e.g. the G35 mentioned a few posts prior is significantly cheaper in the US, if you bring a US one into Canada the fact that you'll have to pay an extra 6.1% doesn't change the fact that the car is cheaper in the US, it just makes it a more expensive model to bring to Canada)).

I'm not saying that everyone should buy cars from the US - for some it works well (some Toyotas, some Subarus, etc) and for others it doesn't (e.g. all new Hondas) but I suspect that if you were buying shopping for cars solely on the basis of cost equivalency between CND and US, you might have a pretty slim list.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I suspect that if you were buying shopping for cars solely on the basis of cost equivalency between CND and US, you might have a pretty slim list.

Well said Michelb.

Can't imagine buying a car based solely on pricing.

I couldn't believe the arrogance of many Canadian dealerships I visited. Some were downright rude.

A local Toyota dealer told me "I'm always free to settle for something less than a Toyota... People realize that and we'll be #1 by the end of this year!" arrogant indeed. By buying a Subaru, I'm doing my share to ensure they aren't.

A Huyndai dealer told me "our products are as good as Honda's for significantly less" --- good to see their comparing themselves to their competition.

A Honda dealer told me "the Honda name speaks for itself. Our products price themselves out the door". They priced me out the door too.

Nice to see I'm not the only one who's noticed that.

[Beradon]

That kind of works except that it's not just Toyota; many (the majority of ?!?) cars are significantly cheaper in the US than in Canada .Maybe there's a misunderstanding here. My suggestion was to purchase from a brand that:
a. You can get significantly cheaper in the US.
b. Respects the warranty if its registered in Canada.
c. Allows you to buy from US based dealers.

Toyota is the only one that actively threatens its US dealerships. Consumers have the power to discourage car manufacturers from these practices by boycotting their products.

I'm not saying that everyone should buy cars from the US - for some it works well (some Toyotas, some Subarus, etc) and for others it doesn't (e.g. all new Hondas) but I suspect that if you were buying shopping for cars solely on the basis of cost equivalency between CND and US, you might have a pretty slim list.It's not that slim but just a handful. There is a good amount of savings to be realized except it's up to the individual whether that amount is worth his or her time.

[Mongo]

:twisted: tried all WA Toyota dealer, no one would sell brand new to Canadian.

pm me.....I bought a 2007 Tacoma from a Washington state dealer Dec/06.

[Gromit]

What you as consumers should be doing is stop buying Toyotas. There are plenty of good alternatives and Toyotas aren't the only game in town.

Except Toyota is the only one that respects the warranty. And the other manufacturers are also pressuring dealers not to sell to Canadians.

Unless there's some mythical "fully honours the warranty and every dealer in the US will gladly sell to you" company I'm unaware of. That isn't selling #$%^ vehicles. :)

[Beradon]

Except Toyota is the only one that respects the warranty. And the other manufacturers are also pressuring dealers not to sell to Canadians.

Unless there's some mythical "fully honours the warranty and every dealer in the US will gladly sell to you" company I'm unaware of. That isn't selling #$%^ vehicles. :)Did you just come late into this thread? Toyota isn't the only company honouring warranties on newly purchased US vehicles.

There's Audi, BMW, GM(after 6mths), Hyundai, Infiniti, Nissan, Kia, Mercedes-Benz, Subaru, Suzuki, VW.

This is what I gathered from a quick search. You can probably find more manufacturers if you did a thorough review of this thread.

[crasher]

Did you just come late into this thread? Toyota isn't the only company honouring warranties on newly purchased US vehicles.

There's BMW, GM(after 6mths), Hyundai, Infiniti, Nissan, Kia, Subaru, Suzuki, VW.

This is what I gathered from a quick search. You can probably find more manufacturers if you did a thorough review of this thread.
Benz too

[Monsieurmaggot]

After Toyota lost a $35 million dollar lawsuit regarding cross-border sales, you know they're going to pull out all the stops to discourage us from buying in the US.

See earlier in the posts for links and details....

[ecgz88]

After Toyota lost a $35 million dollar lawsuit regarding cross-border sales, you know they're going to pull out all the stops to discourage us from buying in the US.

See earlier in the posts for links and details....



http://www.naata.org/pdfs/Toyota%202006.pdf

Too long:(

[Gromit]

There's Audi, BMW, GM(after 6mths), Hyundai, Infiniti, Nissan, Kia, Mercedes-Benz, Subaru, Suzuki, VW.

Most of those are on the #$%^ vehicle list. And how many are on the "I can call up any dealer in America and they *will* sell me a car list"? This thread is full of folks who've had trouble dealing with almost every manufacturer in one way or another.

All I'm saying it's a nuts to discount some of the best vehicles on the market today, that come with a full warranty from day 1, simply because you don't like the hubris of the company. Folks are investing way too much money to blow off one of the best choices on reasons of principle.

[jhardy]

Are you talking about Toyota Canada? I don't get it. Isn't the point that people *don't* want to invest that much money?

[joe friday]

Most of those are on the #$%^ vehicle list. And how many are on the "I can call up any dealer in America and they *will* sell me a car list"? This thread is full of folks who've had trouble dealing with almost every manufacturer in one way or another.

All I'm saying it's a nuts to discount some of the best vehicles on the market today, that come with a full warranty from day 1, simply because you don't like the hubris of the company. Folks are investing way too much money to blow off one of the best choices on reasons of principle.

Not sure what you mean by the "#$%^ vehicle list".....

Also, I would dispute your implication that Toyota is one of the best vehicles on the market. I have a Sienna right now and I don't like it at all. This is really something that each person needs to decide based on their own needs and preferences.

Are you really suggesting that people should just bend over and take it from companies with these sorts of practices?? Or that standing up for your principles has no merit?? It's that kind of attitude that keep practices like this alive and growing....

Excuse me, but I don't worship at the altar of Toyota, or any other company for that matter. I can live quite nicely, and sleep better at night too, without putting up with that kind of crap. You want my money? Show me why I should give it to you...

[MMMM]

Most of those are on the #$%^ vehicle list. And how many are on the "I can call up any dealer in America and they *will* sell me a car list"? This thread is full of folks who've had trouble dealing with almost every manufacturer in one way or another.

All I'm saying it's a nuts to discount some of the best vehicles on the market today, that come with a full warranty from day 1, simply because you don't like the hubris of the company. Folks are investing way too much money to blow off one of the best choices on reasons of principle.

We bought a Rav4 in 2003. Great car,...but any time I went near the dealership funds were siphoned from my wallet. We bought out our lease and dumped the car. I did not sell the car because I disliked the vehicle I sold the Rav4 because the dealerships treated us like we owed them.

To your point is Toyota arrogant? Read the following and decide for yourself.

Access Pricing Issues
http://www.cbc.ca/disclosure/archives/030211_notebook.html
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20040617/RTOYOTA17//?query=toyota

Class action lawsuit in BC
(nothing to read here, but it is ongoing)
http://www.mackoff.ca/classaction.htm

[kuba]

What you as consumers should be doing is stop buying Toyotas. There are plenty of good alternatives and Toyotas aren't the only game in town. Punish them collectively with your wallet and let's see how fast Toyota will succumb to pressure.

Hi,


American cars SUCK.


Bye.


PS - Why are domestic sales way down?
Why are Ford and GM struggling?
THEIR PRODUCTS SUCK!

[Beradon]

Hi,


American cars SUCK.


Bye.


PS - Why are domestic sales way down?
Why are Ford and GM struggling?
THEIR PRODUCTS SUCK!I wouldn't say all domestics suck. Sure their poor quality and customer service in the past has gotten them to their current situation. GM has made great strides in improving their problems and if they continue this trend it'll put them back into the top spot.


Most of those are on the #$%^ vehicle list. And how many are on the "I can call up any dealer in America and they *will* sell me a car list"?

All I'm saying it's a nuts to discount some of the best vehicles on the market today, that come with a full warranty from day 1, simply because you don't like the hubris of the company. Folks are investing way too much money to blow off one of the best choices on reasons of principle.I certainly wouldn't say Toyota is one of the 'best' choices. Frankly 'best' can be subjective for everyone else. If we're talking about a sedan like the Camry, I would rather choose a Hyundai Azera or Nissan Altima as their vehicles are unique and offer more features for the same price range. Toyota is taking its consumer base for granted and their tactics of introducing no haggle pricing and threatening US dealers from selling to Canadians will leave a bad taste for the prospective consumer.

[BeeBee]

I was thinking about buying a new camry... But after reading about Toyota trying to fix prices in Canada and threatening US dealers from selling to Canadians, I'll look for something else. :twisted: :twisted:

[golden]

I think this is a YMMV depends on which dealer you talked to and which car are you buying. I guess unless the saving on your specific car is huge, sounds like too many hoops to jump through...

Anyway, someone mentioned the new G35, anyone acutally imported one from the states? How much did you end up saving?

[crasher]

I was thinking about buying a new camry... But after reading about Toyota trying to fix prices in Canada and threatening US dealers from selling to Canadians, I'll look for something else. :twisted: :twisted:

Also read the reviews for that car, eg. yahoo auto, there was a recall for its transmission, according to the dealer.

[Beradon]

I was thinking about buying a new camry... But after reading about Toyota trying to fix prices in Canada and threatening US dealers from selling to Canadians, I'll look for something else. :twisted: :twisted:Well good decision. You also saved yourself from boredom. *yawn* Getting tired of seeing every joe schmo with the same Accord, Camry, Civic or Corolla.

[kuri]

As an update, all the Driving Television segments covering this topic so far:

http://www.drivingtelevision.com/CarReviewVideos.php?ccID=2
http://www.drivingtelevision.com/CarReviewVideos.php?ccID=23

http://www.drivingtelevision.com/CarReviewVideos.php?ccID=441
http://www.drivingtelevision.ca/CarReviewVideos.php?ccID=452
http://www.drivingtelevision.ca/CarReviewVideos.php?ccID=456

[Monsieurmaggot]

As an update, all the Driving Television segments covering this topic so far:

http://www.drivingtelevision.com/CarReviewVideos.php?ccID=2
http://www.drivingtelevision.com/CarReviewVideos.php?ccID=23

http://www.drivingtelevision.com/CarReviewVideos.php?ccID=441
http://www.drivingtelevision.ca/CarReviewVideos.php?ccID=452
http://www.drivingtelevision.ca/CarReviewVideos.php?ccID=456

Naturally they're covering this topic, I've sent them enough emails pointing them to this site.

Also mentioned it to many US dealers and other media outlets too.

This information needs to get out.

[ecgz88]

No useful info is provided in this session

As an update, all the Driving Television segments covering this topic so far:

http://www.drivingtelevision.com/CarReviewVideos.php?ccID=2
http://www.drivingtelevision.com/CarReviewVideos.php?ccID=23

http://www.drivingtelevision.com/CarReviewVideos.php?ccID=441
http://www.drivingtelevision.ca/CarReviewVideos.php?ccID=452
http://www.drivingtelevision.ca/CarReviewVideos.php?ccID=456

[sonicDX]

[
QUOTE=Monsieurmaggot;4731402]From every vehicle I've ever bought, you can't buy a car anywhere without proof of insurance AND a valid drivers' to any US government body.[/QUOTE]

Grats to your new car !
Did you finished the licensing and registration yet ?
Any modification on the car for Canadian regulation ?

thanks !

[sonicDX]

Hi, all :

If I buy a used car in Alabama , do you go through the same the process to import it ?

How do I get temporary plate for each passing states ?

thanks !

Sonic

[Monsieurmaggot]

Grats to your new car !
Did you finished the licensing and registration yet ?
Any modification on the car for Canadian regulation ?

thanks !

Thanks.

My dealer confirmed my car is in Buffalo and ready for pickup. I will be heading off early next week to sign off on it. At that point the paperwork will be submitted to US Customs and a request for a recall letter will be made to Subaru US. I will take the car across the following week. I am told that Subaru usually sends out the letter in a day and since it will be a week before I pick up the car, hopefully the recall letter will be in my hands in time to get the car registered the same day I bring it across.

I will pay for the car next week. My dealer will accept a bank draft and the cheque will need to be declared when I bring it over. US Customs told me that I MUST declare any sum over $10,000 regardless of whether it's in a draft, cheque or cash form. Failure to do so could result in them impounding the vehicle when I leave. US Customs also told me that if I'm crossing via a common carrier (train or bus) I need to provide proof of a return ticket or risk being turned back at the border. I purchased a return bus ticket today and I noticed there was a sign posted at the Greyhound kiosk saying the same thing.

My insurance company provided me a letter as proof of insurance which will also be required to take possession of the car in NY State. The dealer told me the pink "Interprovincial" cards are not acceptable.

During the next week I need to bring proof of payment and ownership to the MTO in order to get a temporary transit permit ($15). While I've heard conflicting stories debating the need for one (remember I will have NY state temp plates), my insurance company insist on having Ontario Temporary plates on the vehicle. My insurance company also need to see proof of ownership before the insurance kicks in.

I spoke to the RIV person who told me according to their records, there are NO modifications required whatsoever on the Outback so I am free to drop off the paperwork personally at the RIV office in Etobicoke, Ontario the same day I bring the car across. If the recall letter from Subaru is in my hands, they will sign off on the car then and I can head off to Canadian Tire to get the final inspection.

If I make it back in time, I could feasibly get to the licensing office the same day.

Once it's all done, I will repost the 'step-by-step' process just as many others have done.

[sonicDX]

Thanks.

Once it's all done, I will repost the 'step-by-step' process just as many others have done.

I read all posts in 2 days .
There is some discussion about blue paint and Metallic paint are not allowed enter , is it a joke or real ?

thanks !

[Rehan]

I read all posts in 2 days .
There is some discussion about blue paint and Metallic paint are not allowed enter , is it a joke or real ?

thanks ! It was a joke.

[stock_junkie]

New budget offers up to a $2000 rebate for fuel efficient cars. If the budget passes I wonder if cars imported from the states will still be eligible for this?

[ecgz88]

http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/toolbox/contacts/ports/wa/3004.xml

Name: Vehicle Export Office
Phone: (360) 332-2632
Fax: (360) 332-2639
Operational Hours: 8:00 AM-3:30 PM(Pacific)
Weekdays (Monday-Friday)

they don't open in weekends? :mad: anyone have experience can share?

[ecgz88]

for BC, Check this

http://www.sbr.gov.bc.ca/ctb/publications/bulletins/sst_085.pdf


New budget offers up to a $2000 rebate for fuel efficient cars. If the budget passes I wonder if cars imported from the states will still be eligible for this?

[windsorguy2007]

Guys, I am a canadian resident and was thinking of buying a Nisaan Altima from Michigan. I have a few questions in regards to that:

1. Do I have to pay Michigan Sales tax? I plan to bring the vehicle back to canada.

2. Can I take financing from the dealership? If not, can I arrange for financing from my canadian bank? I can pay some money down, but how do I pay the rest of the balance.

3. Does Nissan warrantee work in Canada?

Has anyone bought an Altima from US recently? Any re

Thanks for your help.

[golden]

Anyone successfully bought the new G35 or BMW 3 series from the states? Can you share your experience and how much you saved? Your help is much appreciated.

[iandi]

I just got the new g35x last week and looked into getting it in Buffalo as well as having a broker bring it in from the states. Turned out that you can get it for pretty much the same price with some haggling here, so that's what I did.

Get a quote from the states, check out the dealer invoice prices here in Canada (you can try carcostcanda.com) and make them an offer.

It's an awesome car BTW

[BeeBee]

I just got the new g35x last week and looked into getting it in Buffalo as well as having a broker bring it in from the states. Turned out that you can get it for pretty much the same price with some haggling here, so that's what I did.

Get a quote from the states, check out the dealer invoice prices here in Canada (you can try carcostcanda.com) and make them an offer.

It's an awesome car BTW


How much did you get the g35x down to here in Canada?

[Monsieurmaggot]

Guys, I am a canadian resident and was thinking of buying a Nisaan Altima from Michigan. I have a few questions in regards to that:

1. Do I have to pay Michigan Sales tax? I plan to bring the vehicle back to canada.

2. Can I take financing from the dealership? If not, can I arrange for financing from my canadian bank? I can pay some money down, but how do I pay the rest of the balance.



If you provide proof of Canadian residency, no US Sales Tax is applicable. You will pay the AC tax, GST and provincial sales tax (unless you live in AB). There is also a $206 RIV fee.

US dealers won't permit financing from Canadian residents BUT (there's a good side) you are treated as a CASH buyer. This actually means something in the US. I got tons of accessories thrown in at no charge. In Canadian terms, I got about $3000 in upgrades for free. You need to get Canadian financing. I deal with CIBC and they were willing to give me a car loan on a US purchase.

You can pay the deposit by credit card, EFT or cheque. I paid the deposit via EFT and brought the rest over via Bank Draft which they had no problems with. You need to keep proof of payment as US Customs will want to see it.

I have completed the final hurdle in my import process. I now have clear title of my new Subaru and am merely waiting the required three days for US Customs to pre-clear my car before I import it early next week.

[golden]

How much did you get the g35x down to here in Canada?

I'm interested in knowing that too, as I was looking at the G35 but hoping to get a better deal in the States so that I can get the G35x instead. Sounds like not much of a saving afterall to import one.

[iandi]

Guys, I am a canadian resident and was thinking of buying a Nisaan Altima from Michigan. I have a few questions in regards to that:

1. Do I have to pay Michigan Sales tax? I plan to bring the vehicle back to canada.

2. Can I take financing from the dealership? If not, can I arrange for financing from my canadian bank? I can pay some money down, but how do I pay the rest of the balance.

3. Does Nissan warrantee work in Canada?

Has anyone bought an Altima from US recently? Any re

Thanks for your help.


Last I checked a few months ago Nissan's warranty does transfer to Canada. I think financing in the states is quite problematic, but you should be able to work out something with your bank here in Canada especially if you own a home (for a secured loan), but not necessary to own a home. I don't think you need to pay Michigan sales tax as far as I know.

[windsorguy2007]

I called Nissan regarding the whole warranty thing. They said the vehicle needs to be registered in the US first for the warranty to kick-in. Later on, the warranty can be transferred to canada.

If I register the vehicle in US first, won't I have to pay the state tax ?
Has anyone recently exported a Nissan and specifically Altima recently?
Would you be kind enough to share your experience

thanks,

[Beradon]

I called Nissan regarding the whole warranty thing. They said the vehicle needs to be registered in the US first for the warranty to kick-in. Later on, the warranty can be transferred to canada.

If I register the vehicle in US first, won't I have to pay the state tax ?
Has anyone recently exported a Nissan and specifically Altima recently?
Would you be kind enough to share your experience

thanks,If that's what they told you then it looks like Nissan is making it even harder for Canadian buyers. The problem here is that you can't register a vehicle in the US unless you're US resident. Yes, if you do find someway to register it you have to pay the state tax which makes any savings negligible.

[windsorguy2007]

I live in windsor, ontario and would like to buy a Nissan Altima from michigan. Does anyone know of any Nissan dealers in michigan/illinois that sell to canadians? Since, I commute to work in US everyday, I could just take my car to the US dealership in case of problems......what do you guys think?

[inspire]

^ I just imported a 2007 Acura TSX back in December 2006. I also live in Windsor. Check out: suburbancollection.com ... they have a Nissan dealership in Farmington Hills or Troy. I highly recommend going to Troy since it's a lot closer (re: I-75). Unfortunately, I had to go to Farmington Hills since that's where the only Acura dealership was at the time. :(

If you sign up for a price quote through their website, you receive a US$500 e-voucher off the price of the car. I'm not sure if it's really a discount, per se. Check out yahoo autos to find out the invoice of the model you want, then offer them $500 over that and go from there. Although you avoid the 6% MI sales tax, you have to pay $170 for Michigan registration (you can't avoid that since apparently, the gov't wants to keep a record of sales of cars ... for dealership income tax purposes) On second thought, I think that's also the titling / documentation / service fee that dealership adds (ie profit). It might vary from dealership to dealership ... check out how much Surburan Nissan charges ...

This thread does a fantastic job on what you have to have to successfully import your car. Before you do this somewhat lengthy (but easy) process, did you check out the Windsor dealership? I know the Infiniti sales manager (Ryan) somewhat well (went to school with his older brother) and he's a pretty cool guy. I don't know how 'flexible' the Nissan guys are with a relatively new product like the Altima. Worth a shot?

PS My wife commutes to the 'States every weekday so I have no worries about servicing over there. If Nissan is no different than Honda, the Canadian dealerships won't touch your car until the warranty expires. That might be a hassle (but I would still go to a private garage to get my car fixed here if I really had to ...)

[windsorguy2007]

^ I just imported a 2007 Acura TSX back in December 2006. I also live in Windsor. Check out: suburbancollection.com ... they have a Nissan dealership in Farmington Hills or Troy. I highly recommend going to Troy since it's a lot closer (re: I-75). Unfortunately, I had to go to Farmington Hills since that's where the only Acura dealership was at the time. :(

If you sign up for a price quote through their website, you receive a US$500 e-voucher off the price of the car. I'm not sure if it's really a discount, per se. Check out yahoo autos to find out the invoice of the model you want, then offer them $500 over that and go from there. Although you avoid the 6% MI sales tax, you have to pay $170 for Michigan registration (you can't avoid that since apparently, the gov't wants to keep a record of sales of cars ... for dealership income tax purposes) On second thought, I think that's also the titling / documentation / service fee that dealership adds (ie profit). It might vary from dealership to dealership ... check out how much Surburan Nissan charges ...

This thread does a fantastic job on what you have to have to successfully import your car. Before you do this somewhat lengthy (but easy) process, did you check out the Windsor dealership? I know the Infiniti sales manager (Ryan) somewhat well (went to school with his older brother) and he's a pretty cool guy. I don't know how 'flexible' the Nissan guys are with a relatively new product like the Altima. Worth a shot?

PS My wife commutes to the 'States every weekday so I have no worries about servicing over there. If Nissan is no different than Honda, the Canadian dealerships won't touch your car until the warranty expires. That might be a hassle (but I would still go to a private garage to get my car fixed here if I really had to ...)


I presently drive an Acura. How much does the 07 TSX cost? Did you save a bundle buying from US? So, are you saying your warranty is not covered in Canada...so, in case of any issues, you'd have to take the Car to US....I work in the US so I cross the border everyday....I would get the car fixed in US as it is easier for me and sometimes the dealerships give you a rental car......but I don't feel too good about the Canadian dealerships not covering warranty

[WILDSTYL]

Came across these videos, and thought I would share... very informative.

Driving Television Clips

Canadian Vs US Pricing

Clip 1 (http://www.drivingtelevision.ca/CarReviewVideos.php?ccID=2)

Clip 2 (http://www.drivingtelevision.ca/CarReviewVideos.php?ccID=23)

Buying from the US

Clip 1 (http://www.drivingtelevision.ca/CarReviewVideos.php?ccID=441)

Clip 2 (http://www.drivingtelevision.ca/CarReviewVideos.php?ccID=452)

Clip 3 (http://www.drivingtelevision.ca/CarReviewVideos.php?ccID=456)

[vybe232]

anyone here have a company or anything handling importing cars from the US..(so i dont have to do it myself) if you do PM me.

[rebe1]

I was driving for the whole month that my US temp plates allowed me for, with police walking by it, behind me, etc, they didn't care. Plus the safety inspection was a joke @CTire. I don't think they even tested anything except emissions (I was looking at them doing a walk around of my car, sitting down inside to get the odometer reading, and signing off).

Thanks.

My dealer confirmed my car is in Buffalo and ready for pickup. I will be heading off early next week to sign off on it. At that point the paperwork will be submitted to US Customs and a request for a recall letter will be made to Subaru US. I will take the car across the following week. I am told that Subaru usually sends out the letter in a day and since it will be a week before I pick up the car, hopefully the recall letter will be in my hands in time to get the car registered the same day I bring it across.

I will pay for the car next week. My dealer will accept a bank draft and the cheque will need to be declared when I bring it over. US Customs told me that I MUST declare any sum over $10,000 regardless of whether it's in a draft, cheque or cash form. Failure to do so could result in them impounding the vehicle when I leave. US Customs also told me that if I'm crossing via a common carrier (train or bus) I need to provide proof of a return ticket or risk being turned back at the border. I purchased a return bus ticket today and I noticed there was a sign posted at the Greyhound kiosk saying the same thing.

My insurance company provided me a letter as proof of insurance which will also be required to take possession of the car in NY State. The dealer told me the pink "Interprovincial" cards are not acceptable.

During the next week I need to bring proof of payment and ownership to the MTO in order to get a temporary transit permit ($15). While I've heard conflicting stories debating the need for one (remember I will have NY state temp plates), my insurance company insist on having Ontario Temporary plates on the vehicle. My insurance company also need to see proof of ownership before the insurance kicks in.

I spoke to the RIV person who told me according to their records, there are NO modifications required whatsoever on the Outback so I am free to drop off the paperwork personally at the RIV office in Etobicoke, Ontario the same day I bring the car across. If the recall letter from Subaru is in my hands, they will sign off on the car then and I can head off to Canadian Tire to get the final inspection.

If I make it back in time, I could feasibly get to the licensing office the same day.

Once it's all done, I will repost the 'step-by-step' process just as many others have done.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I just confirmed with US Customs that my car has cleared the title search and is ready for export.

I'm off to Buffalo tomorrow morning to pick up my car.

I will provide details of the border clearing process.

As a side note, I declared my "Bank Draft" when I went to accept the car last week since you risk getting your cash impounded if you bring over more than $10k in any form without declaring it. There are signs posted at the customs gate. US Customs asked to see both the invoice and original bank draft. The inspector quizzed me on the content of the invoice (who was my sales rep., the options I ordered and stuff like that) then waved me through. It was painless.

[windsorguy2007]

so lets say the car you are buying is worth $20K, should I take 2 checks of $10K each and declare at the US customs? I have a bank account in the US since I work in US. Could I use money from that account for payment?

[perfchris]

I just confirmed with US Customs that my car has cleared the title search and is ready for export.

I'm off to Buffalo tomorrow morning to pick up my car.

I will provide details of the border clearing process.

As a side note, I declared my "Bank Draft" when I went to accept the car last week since you risk getting your cash impounded if you bring over more than $10k in any form without declaring it. There are signs posted at the customs gate. US Customs asked to see both the invoice and original bank draft. The inspector quizzed me on the content of the invoice (who was my sales rep., the options I ordered and stuff like that) then waved me through. It was painless.

How long did it take you from the moment you sent the documents, to getting cleared for export ? Did you fax copies and then you will bring in the original ?

[michelb]

so lets say the car you are buying is worth $20K, should I take 2 checks of $10K each and declare at the US customs? I have a bank account in the US since I work in US. Could I use money from that account for payment?

It doesn't matter what the amount of each cheque is (you might as well do one cheque for the whole amount); it's just a US customs requirement that anytime you enter the US with $10000 or more you have to declare it.

As far as the account in the US, if you can get the money in it, then you can certainly make the purchase from that account and you don't have to do the customs declaration (that being said, it's really not a big deal, it's just a formality).

[brendonp]

I drove my father-in-law down today to Buffalo to pick up his new Hyundai Azera from a dealership in Buffalo. The entire process was painless! A few notes:

1) Crossing the border towards the US we declared our intention to buy a car and asked which building we needed to visit on the way back - the guard pointed it out, but did not ask to see the bank draft, nor asked for any real details about the car.

2) We stopped in on the US side to verify the paperwork before picking up the car - my father-in-law was assured by the dealer that they had everything at the border, but he couldn't get a hold of anyone at the border and didn't get a call-back in time. The lady there was quite friendly and verified that all the paperwork was in order. This step probably isn't required, but we didn't want to pick up the car and head back only to find out something wasn't in order - note the phone number for a "person" at the border changed as of the 19th of March.

3) We spent about 45 minutes at the dealer including a quick drive with the salesman who went over various features in the car. I can't say enough positive stuff about the salesguy - very friendly, had all documents bundled and in envelopes for presentation at the border. He says he gets 4-5 Canadian customers per month and is starting to get pretty good at handling all the documentation.

4) On the way back we stopped at the US "warehouse" at the border to have the COA papers stamped and the VIN verified on the car. Again, rather painless. They were only interested in the original COA, not any of the other papers (copies/bill of sale/recall statement/etc), but the dealer mentioned that they might be interested in the other documents - depends on who you get on any given day.

5) At the Canadian security gate (regular customs decleration) my father-in-law mentioned he was grilled a bit about the car - ie, why did he buy it, payment price, etc, etc - they cross referenced his info with the bill of sale. The lady there questioned me a bit more strongly then usual (I cross a lot) so it probably wasn't anything out of the ordinary.

6) When we stopped at the actual customs building to pay the RIV fees and duty + GST everyone was really friendly and helpful. My father in law paid GST + 206 RIV by VISA (not sure what else is accepted). I was chatting with another guy who had just imported a new Porsche - sounds like he saved roughly 40k, and he hopes to drive it for 2 years, then sell it for what he bought it for!

It was all extremely straightforward... I'm considering buying an SUV now for my wife!

Brendon

[Rehan]

I was chatting with another guy who had just imported a new Porsche - sounds like he saved roughly 40k, and he hopes to drive it for 2 years, then sell it for what he bought it for! Did you at least tell him about RFD? Sounds like he could fit in quite well here. :cheesygri


So how much did your father-in-law save on the purchase?

[batman321123]

Has anyone bought a used car from the States? How did you deal with having to get info to US customs 72 hours before crossing the border?

[yyz2hkg]

I drove my father-in-law down today to Buffalo to pick up his new Hyundai Azera from a dealership in Buffalo. The entire process was painless! A few notes:

1) Crossing the border towards the US we declared our intention to buy a car and asked which building we needed to visit on the way back - the guard pointed it out, but did not ask to see the bank draft, nor asked for any real details about the car.

2) We stopped in on the US side to verify the paperwork before picking up the car - my father-in-law was assured by the dealer that they had everything at the border, but he couldn't get a hold of anyone at the border and didn't get a call-back in time. The lady there was quite friendly and verified that all the paperwork was in order. This step probably isn't required, but we didn't want to pick up the car and head back only to find out something wasn't in order - note the phone number for a "person" at the border changed as of the 19th of March.

3) We spent about 45 minutes at the dealer including a quick drive with the salesman who went over various features in the car. I can't say enough positive stuff about the salesguy - very friendly, had all documents bundled and in envelopes for presentation at the border. He says he gets 4-5 Canadian customers per month and is starting to get pretty good at handling all the documentation.

4) On the way back we stopped at the US "warehouse" at the border to have the COA papers stamped and the VIN verified on the car. Again, rather painless. They were only interested in the original COA, not any of the other papers (copies/bill of sale/recall statement/etc), but the dealer mentioned that they might be interested in the other documents - depends on who you get on any given day.

5) At the Canadian security gate (regular customs decleration) my father-in-law mentioned he was grilled a bit about the car - ie, why did he buy it, payment price, etc, etc - they cross referenced his info with the bill of sale. The lady there questioned me a bit more strongly then usual (I cross a lot) so it probably wasn't anything out of the ordinary.

6) When we stopped at the actual customs building to pay the RIV fees and duty + GST everyone was really friendly and helpful. My father in law paid GST + 206 RIV by VISA (not sure what else is accepted). I was chatting with another guy who had just imported a new Porsche - sounds like he saved roughly 40k, and he hopes to drive it for 2 years, then sell it for what he bought it for!

It was all extremely straightforward... I'm considering buying an SUV now for my wife!

Brendon


Can you tell us how much saved in the long run? Was it worth it?

[aZnRYcEbOi]

Does the 6.1% NAFTA get applied on the cost of the vehicle in $CAD, or does it get applied after 14% GST?

I guess I'm asking if you get double taxed or not?

i.e. is it a) or b)?

a) 30k USD x (1.xx CDN conversion factor) x (1 + (0.14 + 0.061))

b) 30k USD x (1.xx CDN conversion factor) x (1.14% GST & PST) x (1.061% NAFTA)


Thanks.

[Prof]

I drove my father-in-law down today to Buffalo to pick up his new Hyundai Azera from a dealership in Buffalo. The entire process was painless! A few notes:

1) Crossing the border towards the US we declared our intention to buy a car and asked which building we needed to visit on the way back - the guard pointed it out, but did not ask to see the bank draft, nor asked for any real details about the car.

2) We stopped in on the US side to verify the paperwork before picking up the car - my father-in-law was assured by the dealer that they had everything at the border, but he couldn't get a hold of anyone at the border and didn't get a call-back in time. The lady there was quite friendly and verified that all the paperwork was in order. This step probably isn't required, but we didn't want to pick up the car and head back only to find out something wasn't in order - note the phone number for a "person" at the border changed as of the 19th of March.

3) We spent about 45 minutes at the dealer including a quick drive with the salesman who went over various features in the car. I can't say enough positive stuff about the salesguy - very friendly, had all documents bundled and in envelopes for presentation at the border. He says he gets 4-5 Canadian customers per month and is starting to get pretty good at handling all the documentation.

4) On the way back we stopped at the US "warehouse" at the border to have the COA papers stamped and the VIN verified on the car. Again, rather painless. They were only interested in the original COA, not any of the other papers (copies/bill of sale/recall statement/etc), but the dealer mentioned that they might be interested in the other documents - depends on who you get on any given day.

5) At the Canadian security gate (regular customs decleration) my father-in-law mentioned he was grilled a bit about the car - ie, why did he buy it, payment price, etc, etc - they cross referenced his info with the bill of sale. The lady there questioned me a bit more strongly then usual (I cross a lot) so it probably wasn't anything out of the ordinary.

6) When we stopped at the actual customs building to pay the RIV fees and duty + GST everyone was really friendly and helpful. My father in law paid GST + 206 RIV by VISA (not sure what else is accepted). I was chatting with another guy who had just imported a new Porsche - sounds like he saved roughly 40k, and he hopes to drive it for 2 years, then sell it for what he bought it for!

It was all extremely straightforward... I'm considering buying an SUV now for my wife!

Brendon

I'm curious as well about $ saved and the name of the dealership if possible. Thx.

[bspahn]

Wow, I just read the entire 96 pages on this thread since I started a quick new thread specifically about importing vehicles (not for personal use).

I believe there were 3-4 people asking about doing this multiple times in a year, but there are no clear answers out there. Certainly there must be a few of you out there that have tried this. One person or two I believe mentioned buying and selling a few Harleys or other vehicles, but years ago.

When does it become a business and not a personal re-sale, what are the limitations - how is the taxation different? If you buy as a business, do you receive the GST/PST back and then sent the PST/GST you collect on final sale to send to the government?

The other question is, would you perhaps be better off just being an auto broker specializing in higher end imports from primarily the states - for some sort of flat fee on the price, that way the client gets exactly what they are looking for instead of you buying a particular one and having it sit in your driveway for months because it's not quite what people are looking for (color, options etc)

[ecgz88]

I'm looking for this business as well:)

Wow, I just read the entire 96 pages on this thread since I started a quick new thread specifically about importing vehicles (not for personal use).

I believe there were 3-4 people asking about doing this multiple times in a year, but there are no clear answers out there. Certainly there must be a few of you out there that have tried this. One person or two I believe mentioned buying and selling a few Harleys or other vehicles, but years ago.

When does it become a business and not a personal re-sale, what are the limitations - how is the taxation different? If you buy as a business, do you receive the GST/PST back and then sent the PST/GST you collect on final sale to send to the government?

The other question is, would you perhaps be better off just being an auto broker specializing in higher end imports from primarily the states - for some sort of flat fee on the price, that way the client gets exactly what they are looking for instead of you buying a particular one and having it sit in your driveway for months because it's not quite what people are looking for (color, options etc)

[Infamous1]

I've imported 3 cars from the US overall (2-3 yr span) and I believe you are able to do it 3-4 times a year without it being a business. I forget where I read this.

The main thing to remember is if the car is made outside North America you have to pay roughly 6% more for duty. That and the up and down CDN dollar can make the car only a little bit cheaper than buying it in Canada.

Oh and sometimes cars purchased in the US have modifications that need to be done to register it in Canada. We bought a Volvo S40 and it needed a bumper modification to be registered and it cost around $600 to do at the dealership :(

[bspahn]

I'm familiar with the numbers and percentages, and would take into account the difference between nafta and non-nafta built vehicles, the important thing is knowing your local market for vehicles and what will produce the highest difference in cost for a given vehicle.

One concern would be what kind of middle aged person (say 50+) would want to buy a porsche, lexus, infinity from a 27 year old entrepeneurial guy who happened to purchase a car in the states and is reselling it locally - over going to a local dealer where psychologically they feel they would get peace of mind in a purchase.

If i cannot turn around and sell the vehicle in a relatively short amount of time (say < 3 months) then insurance and depreciation will chew away at too much of the profit.

[Alexo]

Can one get a one-way plane ticket into the US with the intention of buying a car and driving it back, or will that mean trouble?

[bspahn]

I don't see getting a one way ticket to buy a car is a problem, nothing illegal about it.

Also, as of 8:16am mar 27:
Exchange Rate: $1.00 USD = $1.1676 CDN

It's not 1.112 but it's also not 1.20 like some may have predicted. Definitely fluctuates.

[brendonp]

Did you at least tell him about RFD? Sounds like he could fit in quite well here. :cheesygri


I probably should have mentioned it to him - very friendly guy - late thirties with at least 11k kicking around to pay GST/Duty on his VISA!


So how much did your father-in-law save on the purchase?

Can you tell us how much saved in the long run? Was it worth it?

I'm curious as well about $ saved and the name of the dealership if possible. Thx.

Tough to say what the "real" savings were - this all depends on what you negotiate for the sale price (typically I knock off 10%-20%, but it takes quite a while and is a pain in the xxx). If we use MSRP for Canadian pricing vs. his offered price for the US vehicle (he didn't have to haggle - just checked for a reasonable deal on line and made the offer) which isn't probably completely fair, factor in no financing (on either the CAN/US vehicle), 20% exchange rate and 6% duty, his savings is about 8k on a vehicle that would sell for roughly 40k after tax here - again assuming you paid full MSRP. I suspect the "real" savings to be closer 4k, given that the vehicle wasn't moving well in Canada - some definite bargaining room. On the other hand, it was pretty hassle free for him! There's also the 6% duty - not applicable had the vehicle been manufactured in the US.

He was looking to buy this vehicle last year, but was waiting on RIV to update their lists - the wait cost about 1k in the change in the dollar value as well...

The dealership was Northtowne Hyundai in Buffalo - PM me for info on the sales rep if you anyone is interested; he was a younger guy and seemed to really know is stuff (it isn't hard, but it does help to be organized) - my father in law really didn't have to "do" anything to get the vehicle across, the salesman took care of all the paperwork, including faxing documents, etc. It was just a matter of showing up and getting everything stamped and making payments.

BTW, NorthTowne Subaru is in the same building has Hyundai, but there is a whole line of Northtowne dealerships - I saw a Toyota, LandRover and Lexus that I could remember as well as a bunch of others, but I wasn't paying attention to the brands (saw a few BMWs, Infinitis and Nissans coupes on lots as we drove by, but can't remember if they were dealerships, or just used cars).

I'm considering a new Santa Fe for my wife from the US, but she has a LandRover that we'd like to get rid of (paid off, but we'd need to get at least 2k more privately to equal the sales tax discount on a trade) and while the salesguy said he could contact the local LR dealer to see if they'd take it, I'm doubtful that there is a market for a used Canadian vehicle in the US right now...

Brendon

[michelb]

I don't see getting a one way ticket to buy a car is a problem, nothing illegal about it.

Also, as of 8:16am mar 27:
Exchange Rate: $1.00 USD = $1.1676 CDN

It's not 1.112 but it's also not 1.20 like some may have predicted. Definitely fluctuates.

Keep in mind that you have to look at the US$ 'BUY RATE' not just the exchange rate. Most banks will typically charge you 1-2% above the exchange rate.

E.g. at 11:55am the USDCND rate is 1.1588 but the TDCanadaTrust 'buy rate' is 1.1767 (1.1701 if you have borderless account) ('sell rate' is 1.1347 (1.1413 for borderless).

If you search the thread, there's some discussion on where to get better rates but you can probably expect current rate + 1%

[bspahn]

Keep in mind that I have exchanged tens of thousands of dollars, and I would never post a rate that isn't what I was talking about. The rate I quoted was a real time quote from my bank at the specified time to exchange CAD$ to USD$

Whenever possible on large amounts one should always approach three separate entities to negotiate the best rate. For instance the best rate the bank can give you, and locally Thomas Cook exchange and in Vancouver Globex Exchange corporation.

[windsorguy2007]

Does anyone know if we can import GM cars into Canada? Would GM dealers near the border sell to canadians? I am hearing contradicting views about Nissan. I spoke to a Nissan dealership in New York and he said he gets Toronto customers all the time and that I wouldn't have to pay New York sales tax. While the Nissan dealership in Michigan says the only way I could buy is if I had a michigan address and pay michigan tax.

I am confused and need your help!!!

[Beradon]

Does anyone know if we can import GM cars into Canada? Would GM dealers near the border sell to canadians?Yes you import GM cars into Canada. The warranty would only transfer over in 6 months after you register it.
There shouldn't be any problem with GM dealers selling to Canadians. You would probably get an odd few that don't want to go through the trouble of paperwork.

I am hearing contradicting views about Nissan. I spoke to a Nissan dealership in New York and he said he gets Toronto customers all the time and that I wouldn't have to pay New York sales tax. While the Nissan dealership in Michigan says the only way I could buy is if I had a michigan address and pay michigan tax.

I am confused and need your help!!!You should not have to pay any state sales tax if you intend on importing this into Canada. The Nissan dealer who says you have to is either clueless or trying to discourage you from buying from them.

Btw; I would double check with Nissan Canada on whether the US warranty is transferrable. I think someone here mentioned they would not honour the US warranty anymore so it be wise for you to get official confirmation from Nissan Canada.

[Alexo]

I don't see getting a one way ticket to buy a car is a problem, nothing illegal about it.
There is a slight difference between "illegal" and "paranoid terrorist craze".
Or, substitute "illegal immigration".

A single male with a one-way ticket can arouse suspicion.

[scouzi]

Keep in mind that you have to look at the US$ 'BUY RATE' not just the exchange rate. Most banks will typically charge you 1-2% above the exchange rate.

E.g. at 11:55am the USDCND rate is 1.1588 but the TDCanadaTrust 'buy rate' is 1.1767 (1.1701 if you have borderless account) ('sell rate' is 1.1347 (1.1413 for borderless).

If you search the thread, there's some discussion on where to get better rates but you can probably expect current rate + 1%

Buy rate on xe.com is 1.16735 today.

[michelb]

Buy rate on xe.com is 1.16735 today.

Thanks for the info. That's good to know. FYI, TD Borderless rate is 1.1698 as of 1:25pm.

So:

at XE, $20k US is $23347
at TD, $20k US is $23396

I had heard that XE was better but it seemed like it was a bit more of a hassle to get the funds to / from (especially for those like me that already have a TD account) but it's great to have actual numbers.

[iamdman]

Thanks for the info. That's good to know. FYI, TD Borderless rate is 1.1698 as of 1:25pm.

So:

at XE, $20k US is $23347
at TD, $20k US is $23396

I had heard that XE was better but it seemed like it was a bit more of a hassle to get the funds to / from (especially for those like me that already have a TD account) but it's great to have actual numbers.

1:56pm with TD Waterhouse US Trading Account:

Amount: $20,000.00 USD = $23,356.00 CDN
Exchange Rate: $1.00 USD = $1.1678 CDN

[michelb]

1:56pm with TD Waterhouse US Trading Account:

Amount: $20,000.00 USD = $23,356.00 CDN
Exchange Rate: $1.00 USD = $1.1678 CDN

Thanks for the info - I actually meant to look into that as well and simply forgot (I had heard that the TDWaterhouse US Trading rate was a bit better than the TD Borderless rate).

I think that might actually make using TD Waterhouse the best bet; I might have misunderstood but I was under the impression that you had to wire or do an electronic funds transfer to get money in/out of XE and that each transaction will probably cost you around $25+. Please confirm / correct me if you've actually used XE for conversion (I'm just going by their FAQ).

[inspire]

I was chatting with another guy who had just imported a new Porsche - sounds like he saved roughly 40k, and he hopes to drive it for 2 years, then sell it for what he bought it for!
Brendon,

Sounds like there is hope for me and importing a new Cayman S ... interesting ...

-----

Windsorguy2007 -- did you contact the people over at Suburban Nissan? The Suburan group is huge in southwestern Michigan ... they sell to Canadians for exportation all the time. Don't get conned into paying 6% MI sales tax. I bet they do that so that the dealership doesn't get heat from Nissan corporate for selling directly for export... that would be my guess.

[nonvtec]

Ditto, I'm looking at importing the exact same car! Drop me a PM as I'm interested in discussing this with you if you are :)

[QUOTE=inspire;4869575]Brendon,

Sounds like there is hope for me and importing a new Cayman S ... interesting ...
QUOTE]

[michelb]

Ditto, I'm looking at importing the exact same car! Drop me a PM as I'm interested in discussing this with you if you are :)

[QUOTE=inspire;4869575]Brendon,

Sounds like there is hope for me and importing a new Cayman S ... interesting ...


Unfortunately the savings on the Cayman is not huge. After exchange and duty, you might save about $10k, which while it's nothing to throw away, on a car of nearly $100k, isn't that big of a saving. I believe that Porsche will honour the warranty in Canada so that's probably not an issue but even with that, your resale value is going to be affected (there is a significant amount of used 'US' Porsches in Canada and they do sell for less than the Canadian model). That being said, you might have more negotiating power in the US so that might help your price.

Good luck with the purchase.

[Anessa]

Sometimes it's not even about the absolute savings but more about selection (eg. colours, trim) and treatment.

[Trigger]

Planning on doing a daytrip to a Manheim auction in the states over the long weekend (family friend is a dealer) and had some questions.

I'm looking at picking up an S2000. Probably a 2003 or 2004 model year coming off a lease.

I've checked the Canadian gov site to make sure everything is ok and the car is legit.. but I've had numerous people tell me that I have to convert the car for daytime running lights as well as an odometer with KMs on it (as the primary, I know KMs are on US cars.. but only as a secondary measure).

Does anyone have a definitive resource to let me know if I'm in the safe or if I'm wasting my time?

Thanks, much appreciated. If you wouldn't mind PM'ing, it'll ensure I get the reply.

Trigg

[Ixidor]

Hmmm my dad's looking at replacing his car there and I was just thinking with the cars being cheaper down there would it be smarter to try to sell his car in canada and then buy a new one down there instead of trying to go down there and do a trade-in?

[michelb]

Hmmm my dad's looking at replacing his car there and I was just thinking with the cars being cheaper down there would it be smarter to try to sell his car in canada and then buy a new one down there instead of trying to go down there and do a trade-in?

A canadian car would be virtually worthless as a trade in the US so you're much better off selling it in Canada (the dealer would have to import / register and it's probably not worth the hassle unless it's a very new and/or expensive car). I do not think that your dad can import it into the US himself without being a US resident.

As you mentioned though, with the used car market low in the US, chances are his car is worth less there anyway (even if there wasn't the importing into the US issue) so he'd still be better selling in Canada.

[shopper-X]

Planning on doing a daytrip to a Manheim auction in the states over the long weekend (family friend is a dealer) and had some questions.

I'm looking at picking up an S2000. Probably a 2003 or 2004 model year coming off a lease.

I've checked the Canadian gov site to make sure everything is ok and the car is legit.. but I've had numerous people tell me that I have to convert the car for daytime running lights as well as an odometer with KMs on it (as the primary, I know KMs are on US cars.. but only as a secondary measure).

Does anyone have a definitive resource to let me know if I'm in the safe or if I'm wasting my time?

Thanks, much appreciated. If you wouldn't mind PM'ing, it'll ensure I get the reply.

Trigg

Doing a search for S2000 in this tread here are some answers:
Check out this site for DRL's for the S2000. Very detailed. The forum section at the bottom has some helpfull reading also.

s2000 DRL link (http://alavigne.net/newHomePage/Motorsports/FeatureReports/S2000/DRL/index.jsp)

This car is a great deal in the states new or used, even with the 6.1% duty added on the savings are huge.

The only mod required is are the DRL.

Seabird

The following is copied from the S2000 link on the forums area. I do not have an S2000 (want one though).So I am unsure if it works.

Andrew Fri Mar 10 15:32:34 EST 2006
re: Speedo conversion
Not to worry!

There is a little button in the instrument cluster that you press and hold for a few seconds. The entire display will change to metric. This setting will survive even when you turn off the car. It will only reset back to mph if you hold the button again, or if you disconnect the battery (or rather, the power to the ECU or the instrument cluster, not sure which).

...Andrew

[Monsieurmaggot]

Yesterday I picked up my new Subaru. The process couldn't be any easier.

The dealer faxed my paperwork to US Customs at Lewiston last Wednesday. I called them on Monday to confirm everything was in place. Some folks have commented that getting a person is difficult. I simply stayed on the line and didn't hit any buttons. A human answered immediately and put me through to the right people. They confirmed my paperwork was in order and that I was free to export anytime. Interestingly I also got a voice message a few hours later from them telling me the same thing.

Here's what happened: When I arrived by bus at US Customs (Fort Erie), they asked to see my return ticket. The person quickly glanced at the paperwork and copied some vehicle details into their computer system. They asked how I paid for the vehicle and asked to see proof of TOTAL payment. I was also asked if I declared the Electronic Funds Transfer (which I did last week). I was allowed to pass.

The dealer met me at the bus station with my new car. The car jockey that joined him was in a Legacy Spec B (nice!). I took possession of the car, signed a few forms and the dealer pasted my NY State temporary permit on the back window. I was off to US Customs.

It took me forever to find the export office at the Lewiston Bridge. I actually drove around the Customs buildings until someone carrying a gun directly me. For those of you crossing over at Lewiston, as the highway ends, go to the EXTREME left. The first warehouse (red trimmed) building you see. Go up the half flight of stairs. Go through the door on the left and the first room on the left (Big sign Department of Homeland Security on the door).

The person there asked to see the original copy "Certificate of Origin" document. They compared it to what was on file, entered something into the computer. They stamped an embossed "Export" stamp on the certificate and I was then asked to take an inspector with me to the vehicle. The inspector compared the VIN on the document with that on the vehicle. I was then allowed to leave. Total time (after I found the building): Less than five minutes. In the time I was there, I counted at least a half dozen people exporting cars.

At Canada Customs they knew I was importing since I had no license plate. The person asked me if I was "Importing a car today?" and directed me to the Customs inspection area. The Customs clerk (to the centre right) asked to see the stamped Certificate of Origin, asked to see the bill of sale and my license. They filled in the FORM 1 for me then directed me to the cashier. I paid by American Express. I didn't pay the $206 RIV fee since I was headed there next. Total time: About five minutes.

I was free to go.

On my way home I stopped at the RIV building (Fifth Floor@405 The West Mall in Etobicoke Ontario). They took my payment, FORM1 and Certificate of Origin and provided me with a VEHICLE INSPECTION FORM which needs to be presented to Canadian Tire. This saved me about 10 days waiting period. In my case, the form indicates that the inspector needs to confirm Daytime Running Lights, Latch Child Seats, Dual Language air bag warning stickers. I am told the car requires a "ODOMETRE REGISTERS IN MILES" sticker but not a speedometre sticker since the vehicle registers both.

I'm off to Canadian Tire tonight to get that done.

Next step, provincial licensing....

[nonvtec]

This is in regard to the KM/H / MP/H button on the s2k.. I had one for a little over 5 yrs before it was stolen off my driveway... but that's another story in itself.

I can confirm that the button on the dash does convert the ENTIRE display from Imperial to Metric and vice versa... so indeed the only mod required is the DRL, which is simple.

GREAT CAR!!! Can't say enough good things about the s2k, not for everyone though.. good luck with the purchase!

Doing a search for S2000 in this tread here are some answers:

[nonvtec]

I have never looked at importing a brand new Cayman S, the price is simply prohibitive for me. But a quick look at the prices of used Cayman S's in Canada and the US with low mileage for a 2006 model changed my mind -- it's actually quite reasonable to import this thing.

The savings I find are slightly greater than 10K CAD when everything is said and done... if I buy one on the lower end of the american asking prices, the total CAD price wouldn't exceed 65K CAD. Buying a new or used car in Canada wouldn't yield such a nice ride imho.

As far as resale is concerned, I have heard of this issue that it's not worth as much... but not an issue for me as I don't anticipate selling it for quite some time.

Just have to find the right one now...

[QUOTE=nonvtec;4869847]Ditto, I'm looking at importing the exact same car! Drop me a PM as I'm interested in discussing this with you if you are :)



Unfortunately the savings on the Cayman is not huge. After exchange and duty, you might save about $10k, which while it's nothing to throw away, on a car of nearly $100k, isn't that big of a saving. I believe that Porsche will honour the warranty in Canada so that's probably not an issue but even with that, your resale value is going to be affected (there is a significant amount of used 'US' Porsches in Canada and they do sell for less than the Canadian model). That being said, you might have more negotiating power in the US so that might help your price.

Good luck with the purchase.

[windsorguy2007]

Does anyone know how much it costs to make the change for the day time running lights for a Nissan Altima? The US dealer is asking to do it for USD 250. Is that a reasonable price for such a small change?

[Monsieurmaggot]

....I might have misunderstood but I was under the impression that you had to wire or do an electronic funds transfer to get money in/out of XE and that each transaction will probably cost you around $25+. Please confirm / correct me if you've actually used XE for conversion (I'm just going by their FAQ).

I used XE Trade to transfer money over. There were NO charges whatsoever when doing an Electronic Funds Transfer.

[Sih]

Does anyone know how much it costs to make the change for the day time running lights for a Nissan Altima? The US dealer is asking to do it for USD 250. Is that a reasonable price for such a small change?

That's a reasonable price from a dealer, yes. However, I was able to do my Murano for about $20 myself. Do some research on the specific car (forums are good) to see what is required. You may also be able to find an independent mechanic to do it at slightly less cost.

[brendonp]

I used XE Trade to transfer money over. There were NO charges whatsoever when doing an Electronic Funds Transfer.

My father had mentioned using XE as well - however he said that while there was no charge to move money in and out of XE, they made their money off of the exchange rate - just like everyone else; however he felt XE's rates were excellent. I do recall he mentioned something about having to sign up to view the actual exchange rate - I don't think the rate matches exactly with what is listed on their freely available conversion rate page....

Brendon

[perfchris]

Does anyone know if you pay sales tax in NJ when you title a vehicle there but not register it there ?

Does anyone have experience with that ?

Thanks in advance !

[shopper-X]

Does anyone know if you pay sales tax in NJ when you title a vehicle there but not register it there ?

Does anyone have experience with that ?

Thanks in advance !

If you are exporting, you DO NOT PAY STATE TAXES
If you try to be creative, you will have to pay.

[perfchris]

The dealer I am working with is preparing the certificate of origin and says that he needs to title it in my address that I gave him in NJ. If I do not intend on registering the car in NJ, am I going to get a call one day to pay the sales tax ? I do know that when you register a car in NJ you need the certificate of origin and the sales tax stamp.

Does the dealer need to title the car absolutely or can he just get the certificate of origin.

[michelb]

I have never looked at importing a brand new Cayman S, the price is simply prohibitive for me. But a quick look at the prices of used Cayman S's in Canada and the US with low mileage for a 2006 model changed my mind -- it's actually quite reasonable to import this thing.

The savings I find are slightly greater than 10K CAD when everything is said and done... if I buy one on the lower end of the american asking prices, the total CAD price wouldn't exceed 65K CAD. Buying a new or used car in Canada wouldn't yield such a nice ride imho.

...



I hadn't even realized you could get them used - I thought they were pretty much new in the market. I agree that if you can find a used one, you can probably get a much better deal as many used cars a significantly cheaper in the US - saving $10k on a $80k car isn't that great but saving $10k on a $40k car is very excellent.

I used XE Trade to transfer money over. There were NO charges whatsoever when doing an Electronic Funds Transfer.

Thanks for the info. I had always assumed that you had to pay for EFT (I actually thought it was pretty much the same as doing a wire transfer).

[Gloaming]

Does anyone know how much it costs to make the change for the day time running lights for a Nissan Altima? The US dealer is asking to do it for USD 250. Is that a reasonable price for such a small change?

If the dealer in the US will offer to do it, get it done THERE. You will pay a lower tax rate on the change AND if you were to bring it up to a Canadian dealer, you may find that they "run into delays" when it comes to getting any necessary parts.

[shopper-X]

The dealer I am working with is preparing the certificate of origin and says that he needs to title it in my address that I gave him in NJ. If I do not intend on registering the car in NJ, am I going to get a call one day to pay the sales tax ? I do know that when you register a car in NJ you need the certificate of origin and the sales tax stamp.

Does the dealer need to title the car absolutely or can he just get the certificate of origin.

Not that I'm and expert, but I have read this thread since day one and it's been a great read for knowledge.
One thing I have seen posted is US dealers trying to get you to pay Sales Tax on exporting which should not be done. It sounds like they are trying to scam you. Clearly state you are exporting and they should not charge you sales tax. You will be paying the Canadian Federal Tax (6% GST) when crossing the border and your Provincial Tax (PST) when you register (plate) your car.
DO NOT let them scam you into paying the state tax.

[batman321123]

Has anyone bought a used car from the States? How did you deal with having to get info to US customs 72 hours before crossing the border?

anyone?

[ecgz88]

Sweet you saved 10 days waiting period, I'm in west:mad:

Yesterday I picked up my new Subaru. The process couldn't be any easier.

The dealer faxed my paperwork to US Customs at Lewiston last Wednesday. I called them on Monday to confirm everything was in place. Some folks have commented that getting a person is difficult. I simply stayed on the line and didn't hit any buttons. A human answered immediately and put me through to the right people. They confirmed my paperwork was in order and that I was free to export anytime. Interestingly I also got a voice message a few hours later from them telling me the same thing.

Here's what happened: When I arrived by bus at US Customs (Fort Erie), they asked to see my return ticket. The person quickly glanced at the paperwork and copied some vehicle details into their computer system. They asked how I paid for the vehicle and asked to see proof of TOTAL payment. I was also asked if I declared the Electronic Funds Transfer (which I did last week). I was allowed to pass.

The dealer met me at the bus station with my new car. The car jockey that joined him was in a Legacy Spec B (nice!). I took possession of the car, signed a few forms and the dealer pasted my NY State temporary permit on the back window. I was off to US Customs.

It took me forever to find the export office at the Lewiston Bridge. I actually drove around the Customs buildings until someone carrying a gun directly me. For those of you crossing over at Lewiston, as the highway ends, go to the EXTREME left. The first warehouse (red trimmed) building you see. Go up the half flight of stairs. Go through the door on the left and the first room on the left (Big sign Department of Homeland Security on the door).

The person there asked to see the original copy "Certificate of Origin" document. They compared it to what was on file, entered something into the computer. They stamped an embossed "Export" stamp on the certificate and I was then asked to take an inspector with me to the vehicle. The inspector compared the VIN on the document with that on the vehicle. I was then allowed to leave. Total time (after I found the building): Less than five minutes. In the time I was there, I counted at least a half dozen people exporting cars.

At Canada Customs they knew I was importing since I had no license plate. The person asked me if I was "Importing a car today?" and directed me to the Customs inspection area. The Customs clerk (to the centre right) asked to see the stamped Certificate of Origin, asked to see the bill of sale and my license. They filled in the FORM 1 for me then directed me to the cashier. I paid by American Express. I didn't pay the $206 RIV fee since I was headed there next. Total time: About five minutes.

I was free to go.

On my way home I stopped at the RIV building (Fifth Floor@405 The West Mall in Etobicoke Ontario). They took my payment, FORM1 and Certificate of Origin and provided me with a VEHICLE INSPECTION FORM which needs to be presented to Canadian Tire. This saved me about 10 days waiting period. In my case, the form indicates that the inspector needs to confirm Daytime Running Lights, Latch Child Seats, Dual Language air bag warning stickers. I am told the car requires a "ODOMETRE REGISTERS IN MILES" sticker but not a speedometre sticker since the vehicle registers both.

I'm off to Canadian Tire tonight to get that done.

Next step, provincial licensing....

[MMMM]

For those considering importing Porsches check out the following quote:

New warranty problem on US Porsches...........

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Call your rep at PCNA and raise hell...........the Canadian dealers are at it again.

My dealer just told me an hour ago that effective as of today all US cars imported to Canada, whether past or present must now have a $400 inspection done at a Porsche dealer in order to have the warranty validated. Additionally, all documentation pertiaining to the sale (RIV, bill of sale, etc) must be in the name of the person requesting the warranty work and the inspection to be done......OR THERE WILL BE NO WARRANTY period.

If you bought the car from a dealer who imported it you now have no warranty, if you imported the car personally, you now have NO WARRANTY unless you open your wallet at the dealer............and the Canadian dealer will NOT honor either warranty, OEM 48/80 or CPO.

Myself and another high volume high end dealer here in Canada are retaining counsel and investigating a lawsuit under the "competition act" as this is in direct violation of same IMHO. It is a good thing that we both have several high powered lawyers and Porschephiles as clients.......

Came from the following thread http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=144185

[brendonp]

anyone?

I haven't directly, but an uncle of mine bought a used BMW Z3 from Florida last year, so it's certainly possible. I didn't get any details from him, but he didn't even purchase it himself - he sent his daughter down to pick it up for him (paperwork was basically already done, she just needed to drop off the draught and sign some papers - not sure how this worked as it wasn't her car, but that's what occured).

I'll try to get some details next time I talk to him....

Brendon

[aZnRYcEbOi]

I guess Nissan is off the list. :(

http://www.nissanusa.com/pdf/warranty/2007_Wrnty.pdf

page 8 of the warranty details

This warranty is generally transferable from the original
‘owner other than a Nissan dealer’ (OWNER) to
subsequent owners of the vehicle at any time ownership of
the vehicle is transferred, without any action on your part;
except that this warranty is not transferable but is instead
void if during the first six months after delivery to the original
OWNER: (1) ownership of the vehicle is transferred from
the original OWNER, and (2) the vehicle is registered
outside of the United States.

[aZnRYcEbOi]

There's no such clause in Infiniti's warranty details though...

http://www.infiniti.com/pdf/ownership/INFINITI_sample_warranty_2007.pdf

[bionicbadger]

Here's what happened: When I arrived by bus at US Customs (Fort Erie), they asked to see my return ticket. The person quickly glanced at the paperwork and copied some vehicle details into their computer system. They asked how I paid for the vehicle and asked to see proof of TOTAL payment. I was also asked if I declared the Electronic Funds Transfer (which I did last week). I was allowed to pass.


A couple questions...
A) Did you have a return ticket even though you didn't need one?
B) How/where/why did you declare an electronic funds transfer? I understand you have to declare currency or negotiables when you cross the border if, but the EFT is done electronically days before you crossed the border. Who did you declare it to? How? And when did you declare it (when you crossed the border? or when you did the transfer?)

[michelb]

I guess Nissan is off the list. :(

http://www.nissanusa.com/pdf/warranty/2007_Wrnty.pdf

page 8 of the warranty details


This warranty is generally transferable from the original
‘owner other than a Nissan dealer’ (OWNER) to
subsequent owners of the vehicle at any time ownership of
the vehicle is transferred, without any action on your part;
except that this warranty is not transferable but is instead
void if during the first six months after delivery to the original
OWNER: (1) ownership of the vehicle is transferred from
the original OWNER, and (2) the vehicle is registered
outside of the United States.



Actually I believe that this only specifies that the warranty is void if during the first 6 months of ownership, the original owner ('owner other than a Nissan dealer') sells the car and the car is registered outside the US (i.e. you cannot buy a new Nissan, import into Canada and sell it in the first six months and you cannot buy a used Nissan less than 6 months old and import it into Canada otherwise you lose the warranty)

[Gromit]

but I've had numerous people tell me that I have to convert the car for daytime running lights as well as an odometer with KMs on it (as the primary, I know KMs are on US cars.. but only as a secondary measure).

Primary or secondary is irrelevant, all that matters is that the speedometer displays them somehow. My US vehicle has the KM's as secondary, and no modifications were required.

From what I understand, if you don't have any KM's at all, you get a little sticker to put on the display.

Odometer doesn't seem to matter at all (despite riv referring to it), as mine is still in miles only. At least, I think it is, maybe I haven't used the car as much as I thought! :)

[aZnRYcEbOi]

Actually I believe that this only specifies that the warranty is void if during the first 6 months of ownership, the original owner ('owner other than a Nissan dealer') sells the car and the car is registered outside the US (i.e. you cannot buy a new Nissan, import into Canada and sell it in the first six months and you cannot buy a used Nissan less than 6 months old and import it into Canada otherwise you lose the warranty)

Hmmm, good point. I missed the "AND" clause.

So what's the conclusion with Nissan then? Have people been able to successfully purchase & import a Nissan, AND have warranty work honoured by Canadian Nissan dealers?

[Monsieurmaggot]

A couple questions...
A) Did you have a return ticket even though you didn't need one?
B) How/where/why did you declare an electronic funds transfer? I understand you have to declare currency or negotiables when you cross the border if, but the EFT is done electronically days before you crossed the border. Who did you declare it to? How? And when did you declare it (when you crossed the border? or when you did the transfer?)

From what I read on this post and from what the Greyhound sales person told me, having a return ticket saves you the potential of being turned back at the border. For the $15 bucks I considered it insurance. The return ticket portion is refundable as well.

I was asked to show proof of TOTAL payment at the border when I came across by bus. I was asked to provide a confirmation of the funds transfer and to show any supporting documentation. I had a receipt for the EFT, a receipt from the dealer for the deposit and photocopies of the bank draft along with a "paid in full" receipt from the dealer. The border guard compared the total to the invoice.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Early this morning I headed over to Canadian Tire to have the final step in the import process completed. I was out to get my FORM 2 approved.

The technician ensured the daytime running lights were on when the car started, he confirmed the airbag warning had a French language sticker (odd that an American-based car would have that), he checked the speedometre and compared the Recall Letter VIN with what was on the car. In a matter of five minutes we were done. He signed and stamped my FORM 1 and FORM 2 then faxed it to RIV. He also gave me the fax machines' "transmission confirmation". He welcomed the car to Canada and I was told I was free to get my car licensed in Ontario. He confirmed that no emission or other testing was required.

Off to the MTO...

This was the only snag I ran into and I suspect it had more to do with a lazy clerk....

At the MTO office in Scarborough, the person I spoke to really had no ambition to register my US car. There were so many excuses! First she wanted to know what province Buffalo, New York was in! She wanted to see the previous owners' Ontario ownership paperwork. When I explained that the car was imported new from a US dealer, the person handed me back the paperwork (without really looking at it) and told me that I need to first get the car legally exported from the US. I also was required to bring in proof of GST payment AND two approval forms from Transport Canada before she could proceed. I explained that it was all there. I was then told that the car needed to be "safetied" by the US dealer before I could export it and it should go back to Buffalo to get that done! I told her that was incorrect and that it was a new car and no safety was required. I referred her to the MTO site. She then corrected herself and said she meant to say I needed to get a Drive Clean emission certificate. Again I explained that the car is new and is exempt of this. (At this point I clearly understood this person really didn't want to process my paperwork). She went and grabbed her supervisor who told her that no further testing was required and that all my paperwork was in order. The clerk then commented that it would take a bit of time to process this paperwork and hoped I wasn't in a hurry. Believe it or not, she then insinuated that I would need to pay PST which could be in the "thousands" and that they would not accept personal cheques. I explained that I would be paying by credit card. She then commented that there was an error in the system as the car was listed as a 2007 Legacy Outback LLBean on my paperwork but came up as a 2007 3.0R Outback in their system. She called the MTO head office again to confirm why there was a difference. After over an hour in the office, her supervisor came by to see why I was still there. The supervisor took over and had me out of there in a few minutes with new plates.

At the provincial licensing office, they took the original proof of GST payment receipt issued by Canada Customs and also took the original Certificate of Origin. In turn I was handed the green Ontario ownership papers.

From her supervisors' reaction, this person wasn't the sharpest knife in the cupboard. The supervisor had obvious experience with the registering process.

At the end of it all, I now have a new CANADIAN Subaru Outback LLBean with an extra $14-17k in my pocket!

It was interesting, fun and well worth the few days work to save such serious cash. This won't be my last time.

[shopper-X]

Early this morning I headed over to Canadian Tire to have the final step in the import process completed. I was out to get my FORM 2 approved.

The technician ensured the daytime running lights were on when the car started, he confirmed the airbag warning had a French language sticker (odd that an American-based car would have that), he checked the speedometre and compared the Recall Letter VIN with what was on the car. In a matter of five minutes we were done. He signed and stamped my FORM 1 and FORM 2 then faxed it to RIV. He also gave me the fax machines' "transmission confirmation". He welcomed the car to Canada and I was told I was free to get my car licensed in Ontario. He confirmed that no emission or other testing was required.

Off to the MTO...

This was the only snag I ran into and I suspect it had more to do with a lazy clerk....

At the MTO office in Scarborough, the person I spoke to really had no ambition to register my US car. There were so many excuses! First she wanted to know what province Buffalo, New York was in! She wanted to see the previous owners' Ontario ownership paperwork. When I explained that the car was imported new from a US dealer, the person handed me back the paperwork (without really looking at it) and told me that I need to first get the car legally exported from the US. I also was required to bring in proof of GST payment AND two approval forms from Transport Canada before she could proceed. I explained that it was all there. I was then told that the car needed to be "safetied" by the US dealer before I could export it and it should go back to Buffalo to get that done! I told her that was incorrect and that it was a new car and no safety was required. I referred her to the MTO site. She then corrected herself and said she meant to say I needed to get a Drive Clean emission certificate. Again I explained that the car is new and is exempt of this. (At this point I clearly understood this person really didn't want to process my paperwork). She went and grabbed her supervisor who told her that no further testing was required and that all my paperwork was in order. The clerk then commented that it would take a bit of time to process this paperwork and hoped I wasn't in a hurry. Believe it or not, she then insinuated that I would need to pay PST which could be in the "thousands" and that they would not accept personal cheques. I explained that I would be paying by credit card. She then commented that there was an error in the system as the car was listed as a 2007 Legacy Outback LLBean on my paperwork but came up as a 2007 3.0R Outback in their system. She called the MTO head office again to confirm why there was a difference. After over an hour in the office, her supervisor came by to see why I was still there. The supervisor took over and had me out of there in a few minutes with new plates.

At the provincial licensing office, they took the original proof of GST payment receipt issued by Canada Customs and also took the original Certificate of Origin. In turn I was handed the green Ontario ownership papers.

From her supervisors' reaction, this person wasn't the sharpest knife in the cupboard. The supervisor had obvious experience with the registering process.

At the end of it all, I now have a new CANADIAN Subaru Outback LLBean with an extra $14-17k in my pocket!

It was interesting, fun and well worth the few days work to save such serious cash. This won't be my last time.

Wow!
I just want to personally thank you for starting this tread and showing your progress through out.
I will be looking in to importing when my car dies and this again has shown it is well worth doing.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I am pleased to have started this thread.

As I mentioned in previous posts, I came really close to buying a Subaru in Canada then stumbled on an article in the Globe and Mail indicating how much cheaper it is to buy in the US.

I stopped my Canadian shopping and started doing US comparisons. Thanks to many folks on this site, I gained very valuable experience and insight.

Never once was a concerned (expect with the ever-fluctuating Canadian dollar).

Armed with information, the process was relatively painless.

In this process, I only used a faxed copy of the recall letter. I have yet to receive the original letter from Subaru.

If I have anything to say, two sites I used routinely were www.cars101.com (Subaru export site) and the www.RIV.ca. Be absolutely clear on what Transport Canada requires on your new car. Without that, you are headed down the path to disaster. I personally contacted RIV about a half dozen times to confirm what I needed to get done on the Subaru.

For those of you interested in importing a Subaru Outback, THERE'S NOTHING TO DO. The car fills all the Transport Canada requirements. Daytime running lights, child LATCH restraint system, bilingual airbag stickers, dual speedometre are all standard.

[tzcnd]

Early this morning I headed over to Canadian Tire to have the final step in the import process completed. I was out to get my FORM 2 approved.

The technician ensured the daytime running lights were on when the car started, he confirmed the airbag warning had a French language sticker (odd that an American-based car would have that), he checked the speedometre and compared the Recall Letter VIN with what was on the car. In a matter of five minutes we were done. He signed and stamped my FORM 1 and FORM 2 then faxed it to RIV. He also gave me the fax machines' "transmission confirmation". He welcomed the car to Canada and I was told I was free to get my car licensed in Ontario. He confirmed that no emission or other testing was required.

Off to the MTO...

This was the only snag I ran into and I suspect it had more to do with a lazy clerk....

At the MTO office in Scarborough, the person I spoke to really had no ambition to register my US car. There were so many excuses! First she wanted to know what province Buffalo, New York was in! She wanted to see the previous owners' Ontario ownership paperwork. When I explained that the car was imported new from a US dealer, the person handed me back the paperwork (without really looking at it) and told me that I need to first get the car legally exported from the US. I also was required to bring in proof of GST payment AND two approval forms from Transport Canada before she could proceed. I explained that it was all there. I was then told that the car needed to be "safetied" by the US dealer before I could export it and it should go back to Buffalo to get that done! I told her that was incorrect and that it was a new car and no safety was required. I referred her to the MTO site. She then corrected herself and said she meant to say I needed to get a Drive Clean emission certificate. Again I explained that the car is new and is exempt of this. (At this point I clearly understood this person really didn't want to process my paperwork). She went and grabbed her supervisor who told her that no further testing was required and that all my paperwork was in order. The clerk then commented that it would take a bit of time to process this paperwork and hoped I wasn't in a hurry. Believe it or not, she then insinuated that I would need to pay PST which could be in the "thousands" and that they would not accept personal cheques. I explained that I would be paying by credit card. She then commented that there was an error in the system as the car was listed as a 2007 Legacy Outback LLBean on my paperwork but came up as a 2007 3.0R Outback in their system. She called the MTO head office again to confirm why there was a difference. After over an hour in the office, her supervisor came by to see why I was still there. The supervisor took over and had me out of there in a few minutes with new plates.

At the provincial licensing office, they took the original proof of GST payment receipt issued by Canada Customs and also took the original Certificate of Origin. In turn I was handed the green Ontario ownership papers.

From her supervisors' reaction, this person wasn't the sharpest knife in the cupboard. The supervisor had obvious experience with the registering process.

At the end of it all, I now have a new CANADIAN Subaru Outback LLBean with an extra $14-17k in my pocket!

It was interesting, fun and well worth the few days work to save such serious cash. This won't be my last time.

What province is Buffalo, NY in? That just made me laugh. These are the Einstein's we having working for us in the provincial government.:mad:

Who would have guessed it, a lazy government worker. When I did this back in November 2006 the woman at the license office knew exactly what to do. I asked her if they had done a lot of these and she said a few. Total time at the counter and out the door with plates about ten minutes.

You just got a lazy employee, probably bitter because she is not smart enough to do this importing thing and save herself some money. Or maybe she just bought an Outback recently from a Canadian Subaru dealer and found out that she got hosed.

Congratulations on your purchase. I did the same thing in November (except with a Toyota). It was because of this thread (that you started) that got me into researching buying in the U.S. and saving some big money ($10000 in my case).

[windsorguy2007]

Does the odometer have to be in KM's too if you buy a car from US? The speedometer has both Miles and KM but I am not sure about the odometer. How much would that change cost for an Altima?

[Monsieurmaggot]

My car passed with an Imperial measuring odometre.

The person at RIV and Canadian Tire told me that "possibly" I would get a sticker to affix to my door jamb indicating that distance is measured using the Imperial (non-metric) system.

This really isn't an import requirement.

There's a real concern about the DRLs, LATCH child seats and bilingual airbag warnings.

Even the speedometre isn't that big of an issue. Transport Canada would send you some stickers to affix if there weren't dual guages. Most cars I've seen have both guages now anyway.

If someone knows how to upload a picture, if it helps, I'd post a picture of the speedometre I have in the Subaru.

[windsorguy2007]

Thanks for your reply Monsieurmaggot. What about the bilingual airbag warnings? How much would it cost to get those? I am not sure if Nissan provides those in french. Thanks for your help.

[Sih]

Thanks for your reply Monsieurmaggot. What about the bilingual airbag warnings? How much would it cost to get those? I am not sure if Nissan provides those in french. Thanks for your help.

They didn't for me while importing a Nissan, but the requirement is :

"French supplementary restraint system label for airbags that require periodic maintenance"

They don't require any maintenance and I wasn't required to have the French.

Also the inspection center didn't bother giving me any sticker for my odm.

[batman321123]

I haven't directly, but an uncle of mine bought a used BMW Z3 from Florida last year, so it's certainly possible. I didn't get any details from him, but he didn't even purchase it himself - he sent his daughter down to pick it up for him (paperwork was basically already done, she just needed to drop off the draught and sign some papers - not sure how this worked as it wasn't her car, but that's what occured).

I'll try to get some details next time I talk to him....

Brendon

Thanks, let us know. I would like to buy a used car from there, as even used ones are a lot cheaper down in the States.

[Beradon]

My car passed with an Imperial measuring odometre.

The person at RIV and Canadian Tire told me that "possibly" I would get a sticker to affix to my door jamb indicating that distance is measured using the Imperial (non-metric) system.
Is your odometer analog or digital? If it's the latter, did you look into getting the display reprogrammed for metric by Subaru?

[bionicbadger]

Is your odometer analog or digital? If it's the latter, did you look into getting the display reprogrammed for metric by Subaru?

The subaru odometer is digital. From what I've read on subaru boards, you would need to replace the ECU and the dash to convert to metric, if you replace only one or the other it screws things up.

[Beradon]

The subaru odometer is digital. From what I've read on subaru boards, you would need to replace the ECU and the dash to convert to metric, if you replace only one or the other it screws things up.
Replace the dash and ecu? That would be excessively expensive. Too bad Subaru couldn't designed a way to selectively display metric and imperial.

[nonvtec]

Most cars today will display both imperial and metric...

On the subject of bilingual airbag stickers, these are a requiremenet. But they don't stipulate where they should come from. If you call up Porsche for example and order them up, they'll charge you an arm and a leg. Do yourself a favour and get them from GM. This works for any car you want to import over. Other dealers may even have them for less, do some research.

[crasher]

Cant you just peal sticker from old car, and glue it in new car. Nobody check if your old car have sticker, nor they have any role in airbag functioning.

[golden]

Given that most people imported Subaru with the least hassle, I'm wondering how much can you save on a Sti....

[michelb]

Given that most people imported Subaru with the least hassle, I'm wondering how much can you save on a Sti....

Subaru is a good choice and popular for import because they honor the warranty and many models are built in the USA so not subject to duty. The STi (possibly all Imprezas?) are built in Japan so you'll pay 6.1% duty so the deal isn't quite as attractive (I'm not that familiar with Subaru's line and prices but I suspect that for an extra 6%, the Impreza is probably close to the price of a Legacy / Outback and although the WRX / STi are slightly different cars, in general, the Legacy gives you more car than the Impreza).

[michelb]

Cant you just peal sticker from old car, and glue it in new car. Nobody check if your old car have sticker, nor they have any role in airbag functioning.

With some cars you can do that but on some models at least, the sticker is 'baked' into the visor material and you can't peal it off. As someone else mentioned, if your car doesn't have them, it's probably easier to buy them from a manufacturer that will sell just the sticker (I'm know even on our Chrysler, it's baked on to the visor so if you want the 'real' bilingual ones, you'd have to buy new visors).

[Thriftydude]

Glad to have the info. Good luck with the new car you can bet I'll be looking into this in the near future.

[camber]

Replace the dash and ecu? That would be excessively expensive. Too bad Subaru couldn't designed a way to selectively display metric and imperial.

It just requires you replacing the the dash guage cluster behind the steering wheel. You do not have to replace the entire dash or ecu.

[nonvtec]

This is a very interesting point you make about having to put them onto the visors. A friend of mine just had the stickers on them without putting them on the car when it was inspected, they only wanted to verify that you HAD the stickers. It may be a case of who you get when your car is inspected.

With some cars you can do that but on some models at least, the sticker is 'baked' into the visor material and you can't peal it off. As someone else mentioned, if your car doesn't have them, it's probably easier to buy them from a manufacturer that will sell just the sticker (I'm know even on our Chrysler, it's baked on to the visor so if you want the 'real' bilingual ones, you'd have to buy new visors).

[Dave_]

It just requires you replacing the the dash guage cluster behind the steering wheel. You do not have to replace the entire dash or ecu.

What about the digital climate control portion of the dash?

Dave

[camber]

What about the digital climate control portion of the dash?

Dave


When you change out the cluster that will change from farenheit to celsius. The part of the car that controls the Imperial or Metric conversion from the cars sensors is located in the guage cluster assembly.

Check out legacygt.com in the Canadian section.

[windsorguy2007]

can anyone tell me where these stickers are located? do I look for them on individual air bags? or are they on the dash ?.....does anyone have a pic they can share?....I am interested in a Nissan Altima

[windsorguy2007]

another question. Do we have to pay GST+ PST on used cars as well?....Toyota dealers in michigan want you to pay the state tax for all new vehicles.....wonder why?.... they say the vehicle should be registered in michigan before it can be taken to canada.....how come some dealers want you to pay state tax and some don't?

[Monsieurmaggot]

Why on earth would anyone want to change out or reprogram the US car display just to get a metric display anyway?

I have a dual speedometre and that's all that really matters. The fact that the car's odometre measures distance in miles is irrelevant since you only really need to refer to this when maintenance is required.

My digital status displays in Imperial (Inside/outside temperature, miles to empty, fuel economy, etc...) but since I grew up learning both systems so this isn't a bother for me either. Temperature is temperature. Fuel ecomony goes up, that's good. If it goes down, that's bad. Who really cares that you're using 11.1 or 11.2 litres per hundred kilometres or 29.3 miles per gallon? You really only care where the average is going.

For the money I saved buying in the US, I could easily afford to replace the entire dashboard into any format I would choose. Better still, I can buy a second low-priced car! The displays ain't broke so why try to fix them?

Sure it would be nice if Subaru offered both options (like many others) but it certainly doesn't impact cross-border sales. During the whole purchase process, I never once worried about the display format.

You can get picky and say that some american-market cars display "BRAKE" instead of the graphic version. Mine does. It also has a little display that says "DRL" instead of the usual graphic seen on Canadian cars. I suppose my French-speaking Canadian relatives could be affended since "BRAKE" and "DRL" are really not French terms.

Heck if I was underhanded, I could keep the odometre measuring method quiet so when I resold the car someone would think I have hardly any mileage on the car. As someone pointed out to me, I'm not accumulating any kilometres on my car so I can market it as "very low kilometres".

[andyhkng]

I have been researching the US/Canada border importation of new vehicles for a while and the math works out.

The problem is trying to find a person that can get you a new car.

I am trying to look for a MINI COOPER S, and there is a dealer in California that I can get the car from. I am trying to find one that is closer.

Any suggestions?

[canadianguy_001]

another question. Do we have to pay GST+ PST on used cars as well?....
You pay the GST at the border, then PST when you register it in at your provincial motor vehicle office

Toyota dealers in michigan want you to pay the state tax for all new vehicles.....wonder why?.... they say the vehicle should be registered in michigan before it can be taken to canada.....how come some dealers want you to pay state tax and some don't?
SHOULD be registered? This procedure is generally frowned upon by dealerships as they can be penalized by their auto manufacturer for selling to Canadians so they'll tell you anything to discourage you. Many other car dealers just don't knowConsider this: you buy a vehicle and get it shipped or have it towed home to Canada, car never gets registered in the US, why should you ever pay state tax?

You will usually just have to pay for a temporary trip permit to drive it back to Canada if you decide to do so, but thats usually no more than $30.

Find a good dealer to work with, some are much more willing than others.
Import Car to Canada (http://www.importcartocanada.info)

[Beradon]

Why on earth would anyone want to change out or reprogram the US car display just to get a metrice display anyway?

I have a dual speedometre and that's all that really matters. The fact that the car's odometre measures distance in miles is irrelevant since you only really need to refer to this when maintenance is required.Well that's the problem. For most people it's a question of habit. I'll say for myself, I'm used to metric and remembering the different maintenance markers are key to getting the vehicle compliant with warranty.

It's easy to remember that every:
5000km is oil changes
12000km tire rotation
50000km spark plug check
60000km bumper-to-bumper warranty ends
80000km tune up
95,000km transmission oil change
100000km timing belt replacement/water pump (depending on car) -powertrain warranty ends
etc....

[sonicDX]

Yesterday I picked up my new Subaru. The process couldn't be any easier.
Next step, provincial licensing....

congratulations !!!
I guess one of the problem of detering people from buying car from US is finance .
Say , not everyone can dish out 30K-50K out of their checking account .
So , if they want to buy from US , they need to sell some equity or borrow from the bank paying prime interest .
On the other way , even you pay prime , and can't enjoy the 0% finance , you still save a lot of money !

Question for you : which dealer you are working with ? Is it Van borte ?

How do you ask for free options since you are a cash buyer ?

thanks !

[perfchris]

congratulations !!!
I guess one of the problem of detering people from buying car from US is finance .
Say , not everyone can dish out 30K-50K out of their checking account .
So , if they want to buy from US , they need to sell some equity or borrow from the bank paying prime interest .
On the other way , even you pay prime , and can't enjoy the 0% finance , you still save a lot of money !

Question for you : which dealer you are working with ? Is it Van borte ?

How do you ask for free options since you are a cash buyer ?

thanks !

I looked up the Royal Bank Section on US banking for Canadians and it seems that if you open a US account at the RB of Canada, they offer you the possibility of opening an account in US dollars with RBC Centura, a US bank. These accounts are linked to each other, meaning you can freely transfer money between the Canadian and US bank AND get financing on the US side using your Canadian credit history. I think I might have found the perfect solution to the financing issue for Canadians that do not have the money up front !

Here is a direct quote from the web site:

As easy as Banking at Home

We understand that as a Canadian who visits or travels to the U.S.A. regularly, you have a very specific and unique set of banking needs, on both sides of the border. That's why we created RBC Access USA to help you take full advantage of our services when you are in the U.S. through RBC Centura® Bank, a member of RBC Financial Group®.


Travelling to Florida or the southeastern states? RBC Centura has over 27 branches in Florida to serve you in person if you are an RBC Access U.S.A. client. More




Your money is There when You need It
With RBC Access USA, you have the option to enrol at no extra charge for RBC Centura Web Banking. Sign in once to access both your RBC Online Banking and RBC Centura Web Banking at the same time.

As an RBC Access USA Client, you can also take advantage of:

Transfer money instantly between your RBC Royal Bank® account in Canada and your RBC Centura account in the U.S.A.
An extensive network of Automated Teller Machines (ATMs) for convenient access to your money.
A range of U.S. mortgages1 and lending products that are tailored to the unique needs of Canadians.
Your Canadian credit history, so the process of taking out a loan or acquiring a mortgage in the U.S. can be easier.

[sonicDX]

congratulations !!!
Question for you : which dealer you are working with ? Is it Van borte ?

How do you ask for free options since you are a cash buyer ?

thanks !


one more question :
If I buy a used car in US . do I pay GST and PST ?
Or just one tax ?


thanks !

[Monsieurmaggot]

congratulations !!!
I guess one of the problem of deterring people from buying car from US is finance .
Say , not everyone can dish out 30K-50K out of their checking account .
So , if they want to buy from US , they need to sell some equity or borrow from the bank paying prime interest .
On the other way , even you pay prime , and can't enjoy the 0% finance , you still save a lot of money !

Question for you : which dealer you are working with ? Is it Van borte ?

How do you ask for free options since you are a cash buyer ?

thanks !

If you send me a PM I will let you know what WNY dealer I bought from. I can safely say if you're looking for a Subaru, pretty much ALL of them will sell you a car. Van Bortel is a good starting point since you can build a car on their website (using invoice pricing) and use that as a HIGH POINT. I got my car for about $2000 off the Van Bortel Internet price.

When you're a cash buyer, you have unbelievable clout (in the US). I simply made a list of options and accessories I wanted. There were three dealers I was speaking to, they each whittled away at the driveaway price until no one could move anymore. Then they started offering me accessories in place of cash. Overall I paid the price I was after but I suspect it had more to do with their internal accounting. While Canadian dealers as still sizing up your ability to pay, the US dealer has already sold the car and moved on to the next client.

Here's an example; price wheel locks at any Subaru parts store in the US or through sites like Edmunds or Yahoo cars. See what you can get them for (about $15 - $22). Then price them in Canada. There's really no cost for some accessories so throwing them in means little to the dealer.

Regardless of what you buy in the US, you will pay both GST and PST if you purchase from a dealer. Can't say if you pay GST buying privately. I'm sure there are others on this post who can say for sure.

[Monsieurmaggot]

You will usually just have to pay for a temporary trip permit to drive it back to Canada if you decide to do so, but thats usually no more than $30.

Find a good dealer to work with, some are much more willing than others.
Import Car to Canada (http://www.importcartocanada.info)

If you're importing a car from New York, the cost is actually $77.50 for a thirty day NY state permit. My insurance company insisted that I also put on a 15-day Ontario Transit permit ($15) when driving across the GTA.

For about $100 I covered all my bases.

[Monsieurmaggot]

another question. Do we have to pay GST+ PST on used cars as well?....Toyota dealers in michigan want you to pay the state tax for all new vehicles.....wonder why?.... they say the vehicle should be registered in michigan before it can be taken to canada.....how come some dealers want you to pay state tax and some don't?

This guy is obviously giving you the runaround or is unfamiliar with the export process. You should look to other Nissan dealers. If you really want a Nissan and be assured of a US sale, drive to Buffalo NY (3.5 hours) and buy your car from www.Westherr.com. I've seen a few Nissans in Toronto with the West Herr license plate bracket.

All you need to do is provide the US dealer proof of non-residency (I was asked to show my driver's license.) and no US sales tax will be payable.

My New York dealer told me that by registering the sale to the address listed on my license (out of state) no taxes would be incurred. As I have mentioned in past posts, the only US (non-dealer) cost I incurred was the $77.50 NY State Department of Motor Vehicles transit permit.

Good luck.

[Monsieurmaggot]

In today's mail I got my RIV Certificate of compliance sticker to attach to the side of my door frame. It's basically the same Transport Canada sticker that is seen on most Canadian cars.

The accompanying letter said my vehicle recently passed all requirements and that it conforms to all Canadian transportation standards. There was no mention of a odometre sticker or anything else.

The import process has finally come to a close. A mere six days after I imported my car. For those of you near the GTA, it certainly pays to visit the RIV site personally. My car was imported, certified and licensed in about two days.

If someone knows how to post a picture, I would be happy to upload the certification sticker.

[michelb]

I'm just wondering if anyone has tried or knows if you can bring the car into Canada with the temp permit without actually importing at that time and go import it a few days later. We're picking up an RV in Arizona and will be driving back to Canada but we're doing a road trip at the same time so are thinking of entering of Canada in BC but I would prefer not having to do the actual import at that time (first, I'd rather not have to spend the time dealing with the import during the trip but second, if anything is wrong and we can't import immediately, we'd rather have that happen closer to home (Ottawa)).

[bspahn]

I am interested in some theories about reselling vehicles. I've done a few quick calculations and it seems it may be quite difficult, the main problem being that once you factor in the smaller fees plus let's say 15-18% extra exchange rate, plus in many cases (desirable vehicles) NAFTA fee plus another 13% in tax (for BC anyway) you often end up with a number fairly close to what you'd pay here for the same thing once you get a deal at a dealer or private sale.

From reading all 97 pages or so it seems you are all purchasing vehicles for your own use and saving some money, which is great. I personally don't even think this is bad for our economy like one guy was bitching about, fact is if you SAVE a lot of money that means you can spend it elsewhere, most likely within canada!

One thing is if you re-sell privately you can entice a buyer by letting them know they will save the GST on a private sale which they won't at a dealer Lot. On a 50k car that's 3k so not bad.

The other thing is, can you import a car get all the paper work done, pay the GST, NAFTA etc but NOT insure it hence not paying any PST on it. Then selling the car. That 7% difference will surely be important in a private re-sell.

What do you think?

[Trigger]

Sorry for being off-topic. He quoted simple macroeconomics, and in a simplified format:

Vehicle made in Canada --> You buy --> Workers get paid --> They spend their money in Canada --> More workers get paid --> They spend the money in Canada --> helps the economy

Vehicle made in US or Japan or anywhere else --> You buy --> Workers get paid --> They spend their money in US or Japan --> Money exits the Canadian economy, which is bad for Canada

Extend that to many other portions of the buying process... dealers, contractors, stock owners, etc, and that's why people want you to buy locally. But you are out of the money that you could have saved. Tons of other social and economic aspects, but this is just a simple view of his rationale.

Who said I'd never use economics out of class. (Oh, me.) Now back on the subject of the deal itself!!!

I can't believe I'm replying to such an old quote. How's this scenario:

1) Buy domestic only -> domestic company stays afloat with your money even though it's not competitive in the world market -> exports fall -> less money comes into North America -> the terrorists win

Ok, the last part is a slight exaggeration.

I'm a firm believer that the cheapest and best product (highest overall value) should be the one consumer's purchase (assuming that it doesn't take advantage of child labour, environmental laws, etc) as it's the best option for promoting healthy competition and.. 'advancing society' (or at least technology and innovation).

[canadianguy_001]

I'm just wondering if anyone has tried or knows if you can bring the car into Canada with the temp permit without actually importing at that time and go import it a few days later. We're picking up an RV in Arizona and will be driving back to Canada but we're doing a road trip at the same time so are thinking of entering of Canada in BC but I would prefer not having to do the actual import at that time (first, I'd rather not have to spend the time dealing with the import during the trip but second, if anything is wrong and we can't import immediately, we'd rather have that happen closer to home (Ottawa)).
nope - It's Illegal (in 99% of cases) for a Canadian to drive an American vehicle in Canada. You're gonna have to do the import the first time around. Shouldn't be much of a hassle just make sure you have all the right paperwork. You can then wait until you get home to Ottawa to do the federal inspection and deal with any modifications it might need, as long as you dont wait longer than 45 days from the initial import.

[eljay]

I have a quick question about temp registration for US vehicle.

Do I need to get registration from the DMV of the U.S. state where I'm buying the car?
OR can I just bring my current provincial plate, slap it onto the car and cross with it?
OR would my local provincial DMV need to issue me a temp registration to cross and import?

Thanks!

[perfchris]

It is even simpler than that. You get a temporary plate for x number of days from the dealer which allows you to drive with the vehicle until your paperwork is settled. You cannot register a vehicle without a title and new cars come with a certificate of origin which is a document sufficient to cross the border and obtain registration in your province.

I know from others, that in Ontario the insurance companies do ask you to use a temp plate form Ontario until you get your Ontario plates but I do not know why. You cannot just slap plates on a car you have not done the paperwork yet and paid taxes, that is illegal.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I have a quick question about temp registration for US vehicle.

Do I need to get registration from the DMV of the U.S. state where I'm buying the car?
OR can I just bring my current provincial plate, slap it onto the car and cross with it?
OR would my local provincial DMV need to issue me a temp registration to cross and import?

Thanks!

According to my insurance company you need a temporary plate for every province or state you drive through. While you might get away saving a couple of bucks by not going down that route, if you had an accident, it would be an excellent reason to be denied coverage. This was confirmed with their underwriter who insisted on this.

If you try to go across the border with incorrectly tagged plates, you run the risk of getting your car impounded. There's no reason to do that. It is illegal to put plates on a car that isn't properly registered. Good luck trying to explain that to Customs while they rip the car apart looking for contraband.

All you need to get a temporary transit permit is the VIN number of the vehicle. In Ontario it's only $15.

[Mongo]

According to my insurance company you need a temporary plate for every province or state you drive through. While you might get away saving a couple of bucks by not going down that route, if you had an accident, it would be an excellent reason to be denied coverage. This was confirmed with their underwriter who insisted on this.

If you try to go across the border with incorrectly tagged plates, you run the risk of getting your car impounded. There's no reason to do that. It is illegal to put plates on a car that isn't properly registered. Good luck trying to explain that to Customs while they rip the car apart looking for contraband.

All you need to get a temporary transit permit is the VIN number of the vehicle. In Ontario it's only $15.

Congrats on the Subie, Monsieurmaggot! In regards to the above post Saskatchewan just requires a temporary insurance card that is valid for 7 days from the date and time that you specify. I had temporary plates from
Washington state,BC and Alberta didn't require permits to travel through.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Congrats on the Subie, Monsieurmaggot! In regards to the above post Saskatchewan just requires a temporary insurance card that is valid for 7 days from the date and time that you specify. I had temporary plates from
Washington state,BC and Alberta didn't require permits to travel through.

That's good to know.

It's obvious that anyone reading these posts should confirm requirements from any jurisdiction they're planning on travelling through (as well as any requirement their insurer might want).

At the end of the day, there's very little cost to do this.

[ecgz88]

http://www.infiniti.com/pdf/ownership/INFINITI_sample_warranty_2007.pdf

According this Infiniti warranty is transfable:cheesygri

[Pavel]

Just to recap, importing a 2007/2008 Ford will result in the warranty being fully transferrable? Now Ford USA has the 5 yr/60,000 mile powertrain warranty.

[eljay]

According to my insurance company you need a temporary plate for every province or state you drive through. While you might get away saving a couple of bucks by not going down that route, if you had an accident, it would be an excellent reason to be denied coverage. This was confirmed with their underwriter who insisted on this.

If you try to go across the border with incorrectly tagged plates, you run the risk of getting your car impounded. There's no reason to do that. It is illegal to put plates on a car that isn't properly registered. Good luck trying to explain that to Customs while they rip the car apart looking for contraband.

All you need to get a temporary transit permit is the VIN number of the vehicle. In Ontario it's only $15.

I was just checking Nova Scotia's policy on this and you can actually take off a plate from an old car (car I sold) and put it on a new one. Then you have 30 days to transfer the plate properly. See here:

After selling a vehicle, you can take your licence plates, and attach them to another vehicle you own (for example, another car you just bought), and drive it. You have up to 30 days to contact the Registry of Motor Vehicles to transfer your licence plate to your new vehicle and to get a new Vehicle Permit.
Source: http://www.gov.ns.ca/snsmr/paal/rmv/paal271.asp

Now, the question is, can I just put my NS plate on a car in say New Jersey and import it without a problem or do I need NJ temp permit to cross the border?
I actually plan to pick up a car on Saturday and drive it across on Sunday, so I won't have an option to visit DMV to get temp registration sticker.

[darrylgoossen]

Thanks for all the info on importing. I just imported a 2004 Nissan Quest into Saskatchewan. No Problems At All. I would however like to change the speedometer over to km's. Does anyone have suggestions how to do this.:)

[shopper-X]

Thanks for all the info on importing. I just imported a 2004 Nissan Quest into Saskatchewan. No Problems At All. I would however like to change the speedometer over to km's. Does anyone have suggestions how to do this.:)

As I mentioned to Mongo, I just moved to Regina and am wondering where the closest place to find Import cars in the US. All I can find listed are domestics in the bordering cities.
Where did you get yours from?

[ecgz88]

I went to Vancouver Autoshow today and check every car, most of them are
'baked' into the visor material.:mad: I believe the US Version Vehicle just have English and Spanish :razz: Does anybody know where I can buy one and how much will be?


With some cars you can do that but on some models at least, the sticker is 'baked' into the visor material and you can't peal it off. As someone else mentioned, if your car doesn't have them, it's probably easier to buy them from a manufacturer that will sell just the sticker (I'm know even on our Chrysler, it's baked on to the visor so if you want the 'real' bilingual ones, you'd have to buy new visors).

[darrylgoossen]

As I mentioned to Mongo, I just moved to Regina and am wondering where the closest place to find Import cars in the US. All I can find listed are domestics in the bordering cities.
Where did you get yours from?

I have a friend in Fredonia, Kansas that I bought it from. He runs a used car lot and does order buying at car auctions. PM me if you want his phone #.

[messerchmidt]

US is a great place to pickup used cars, especially ones ligthly hit or theft recoveries. they are dirt cheap comapred to here.

[perfchris]

I was just checking Nova Scotia's policy on this and you can actually take off a plate from an old car (car I sold) and put it on a new one. Then you have 30 days to transfer the plate properly. See here:

After selling a vehicle, you can take your licence plates, and attach them to another vehicle you own (for example, another car you just bought), and drive it. You have up to 30 days to contact the Registry of Motor Vehicles to transfer your licence plate to your new vehicle and to get a new Vehicle Permit.
Source: http://www.gov.ns.ca/snsmr/paal/rmv/paal271.asp

Now, the question is, can I just put my NS plate on a car in say New Jersey and import it without a problem or do I need NJ temp permit to cross the border?
I actually plan to pick up a car on Saturday and drive it across on Sunday, so I won't have an option to visit DMV to get temp registration sticker.

You CANNOT just cross the border without first having submitted the paperwork to the US side 72 business hours before. The Canadian side will not process your import before the American has stamped your title papers. They need to check that the vehicle is free of liens. Most border crossings need your paperwork 72 hours ahead of time and the need the originals also.
With respect to NJ, you can use their temp tag all the way to your province if your insurance company is OK with that.

[perfchris]

I went to Vancouver Autoshow today and check every car, most of them are
'baked' into the visor material.:mad: I believe the US Version Vehicle just have English and Spanish :razz: Does anybody know where I can buy one and how much will be?

Just go to a scrap yard and buy old visors and tear them off. As someone said here before, Canadian Tire does not actually need to see them stuck on your visor. Of course, that probably also depends on the Canadian Tire you visit.

[Monsieurmaggot]

As someone pointed out, I think the visor airbag warning is nothing to get hung up about.

I can say that when Canadian Tire looked at my car, they DID look for the French/English airbag warning label. It was on the RIV FORM 2's "check off" list. The Canadian Tire inspector signed off on it.

In the case of Subarus, the US cars have FRENCH/ENGLISH informational stickers everywhere not just for the airbag. No Spanish anywhere on my Subaru. Not even on the Owner's Manuel (pun intended)

Crossing an international border with an unproperly licensed car is asking for trouble.

Perfchris is right, you can't just show up at US Customs expecting to be cleared through. They require 72 hours notice and won't make any exceptions. They will also physically inspect that the VIN matches the paperwork. Canada Customs needs the US Customs stamp before they will even look at the paperwork. There is a defined export/import process and you will be asked to follow it.

[inspire]

Perfchris is right, you can't just show up at US Customs expecting to be cleared through. They require 72 hours notice and won't make any exceptions. They will also physically inspect that the VIN matches the paperwork. Canada Customs needs the US Customs stamp before they will even look at the paperwork. There is a defined export/import process and you will be asked to follow it.

Ironically, the border crossing didn't even bother to look at my car ('07 Acura TSX)! The inspector looked at my paper work ... used his stamp ... made me pay the RIV fee + GST ... and off I went!

I do believe if I bought a used car (I bought mine brand new from a Michigan Acura dealership) ... they would have done a more thorough inspection, I'm sure!

[bspahn]

So. Have any of you done this for the sole purpose of reselling the car quickly? It seems to me the 13% difference in tax chews away at almost all the profit you might make and it's not really worth the hassle... Any thoughts?

[perfchris]

Ironically, the border crossing didn't even bother to look at my car ('07 Acura TSX)! The inspector looked at my paper work ... used his stamp ... made me pay the RIV fee + GST ... and off I went!

I do believe if I bought a used car (I bought mine brand new from a Michigan Acura dealership) ... they would have done a more thorough inspection, I'm sure!

You were very lucky !

[Monsieurmaggot]

So. Have any of you done this for the sole purpose of reselling the car quickly? It seems to me the 13% difference in tax chews away at almost all the profit you might make and it's not really worth the hassle... Any thoughts?

You can become an importer and save yourself all kinds of taxes. That's what Peninsula Importers does. I heard that shop is owned by a local car dealer.

I read somewhere that a private individual can bring in two cars per year before they're considered importers.

Perhaps someone can confirm that.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Ironically, the border crossing didn't even bother to look at my car ('07 Acura TSX)! The inspector looked at my paper work ... used his stamp ... made me pay the RIV fee + GST ... and off I went!

I do believe if I bought a used car (I bought mine brand new from a Michigan Acura dealership) ... they would have done a more thorough inspection, I'm sure!

What border crossing did you go through? I find it hard to believe that US Customs didn't check your car's VIN. That defeats the whole purpose of a background check.

[eljay]

You CANNOT just cross the border without first having submitted the paperwork to the US side 72 business hours before. The Canadian side will not process your import before the American has stamped your title papers. They need to check that the vehicle is free of liens. Most border crossings need your paperwork 72 hours ahead of time and the need the originals also.
With respect to NJ, you can use their temp tag all the way to your province if your insurance company is OK with that.


I understand the export/import procedure. I know I have to send original title in my name to US customs 72 hours in advance.
What I was asking is whether I can show up at the dealer in the US, put my NS license plate on the car and drive it home across the border with that license since NS regulations state that I have 30 days to register the new car.
OR do I need a temp permit from US state to cross the border.

[sonicDX]

Hi, all :
I have a chance of buying a car in Alabama .
Do I really need to buy round-trip ticket to there ? ( flight or greyhound )
Will the US custom refuse your entry with only a one way ticket ?
How do you get a temp license for each states you traverse ?

thanks !
Ben

[William Q]

Anyone knows any US Honda dealers who could sell new cars to us ?

[BeeBee]

The 2008 Legacy looks really nice. On Subaru's website it says that it's coming out on summer 2007. can anyone tell me what month will it come out? And will the price be similar to 2007 models?
Thanks in advance. :D

[Anessa]

Spray, how did it work travelling up from Tenn. Did your Ont. insurance company require you to get a separate plate for each state you went through?

[darrylgoossen]

Hi, all :
I have a chance of buying a car in Alabama .
Do I really need to buy round-trip ticket to there ? ( flight or greyhound )
Will the US custom refuse your entry with only a one way ticket ?
How do you get a temp license for each states you traverse ?

thanks !
Ben

When I went to get my van in Kansas I brought my family along (wife and two children). We flew down with one way tickets. I have never been asked for my return tickets at USA immigration. Just tell them you will be driving back.

The Kansas 30 day temperary permit is an interstate permit so that was what I used untill I got to the border (North Portal, SK)

[Prof]

The 2008 Legacy looks really nice. On Subaru's website it says that it's coming out on summer 2007. can anyone tell me what month will it come out? And will the price be similar to 2007 models?
Thanks in advance. :D

I did some checking myself. Some US dealers already have inventory (according to their listings at least). I like the changes too. The thing to consider though, is that last year sometime after the 2007 models came out, the rebates on the 2006i models went to $2750. That's a huge amount of money and brings the SE trim models well under $20K. If that happens, I will likely pull the trigger if I can find one I like. At that price, bringing a Legacy up here would be cheaper than a top end Civic locally. Let's hope!

I prefer the Limited but for some reason Subaru seems to exclude them from the rebates. Joe at Carter Suburu told me that Limited models are not that commom. (because of pricing?)

[lindmar]

OK

What I dont understand about RFD

We now have 104 pages of discussion. Can we possibly make a standard info guide.

1) Steps to doing this
2) Which companies transfer warranty
3) Known dealers who deal with Canadians
4) Best & Hot Deals


Or am I way out of line to ask for such a thing?

[BeeBee]

I did some checking myself. Some US dealers already have inventory (according to their listings at least). I like the changes too. The thing to consider though, is that last year sometime after the 2007 models came out, the rebates on the 2006i models went to $2750. That's a huge amount of money and brings the SE trim models well under $20K. If that happens, I will likely pull the trigger if I can find one I like. At that price, bringing a Legacy up here would be cheaper than a top end Civic locally. Let's hope!

I prefer the Limited but for some reason Subaru seems to exclude them from the rebates. Joe at Carter Suburu told me that Limited models are not that commom. (because of pricing?)

$2750 rebate for a year old model is quite a lot of savings, can you still negotiate on top of the rebate? The 2008 Legacy looks so much better though, it will be hard to decide which one to pick. The 2008 Outback looks nice too.

I thought the Limited edition cars are better equipped and shouldn't be that rare to find. Well, better equipped cars are less likely to be on sale (or if on sale will have less savings).

[scouzi]

The 2008 Legacy looks really nice. On Subaru's website it says that it's coming out on summer 2007. can anyone tell me what month will it come out? And will the price be similar to 2007 models?
Thanks in advance. :D

Be carefull.

It will take a while before any 2008 get on the allowable RIV import list.

[McLaren]

OK

What I dont understand about RFD

We now have 104 pages of discussion. Can we possibly make a standard info guide.

1) Steps to doing this
2) Which companies transfer warranty
3) Known dealers who deal with Canadians
4) Best & Hot Deals


Or am I way out of line to ask for such a thing?

Why not take the initiative and start one?

[Prof]

$2750 rebate for a year old model is quite a lot of savings, can you still negotiate on top of the rebate? The 2008 Legacy looks so much better though, it will be hard to decide which one to pick. The 2008 Outback looks nice too.

I thought the Limited edition cars are better equipped and shouldn't be that rare to find. Well, better equipped cars are less likely to be on sale (or if on sale will have less savings).

I was told by Joe at Carter Subaru that My price will be under total invoice, invoice including all factory options on the car, so it's a good deal.

Current invoice inc PDI on the SE Auto is $21,176 less $750 = 20,426. Note that a block heater is an extra $105. So, I'm thinking the price will be less than $20,500, maybe under $20k with the current rebate. If the rebate goes up, what a deal. Again though, the big rebate was not available on the more desirable Limited model.

There are costs in bringing it home on top of that price. But at an exchange rate of .85, the Canadian equivalent is 24,154. A Civic EX (very nice) prices at $24,900 less any discounts. An equivalent Accord is around $30k.

[bionicbadger]

Note that a block heater is an extra $105.

Tell Joe to lay off the crack pipe. A block heater is on the subaru.com website as an accessory for $30, and its an easy install that doesn't even take close to an hour. He should be willing to throw it in as a freebie.

[Prof]

Tell Joe to lay off the crack pipe. A block heater is on the subaru.com website as an accessory for $30, and its an easy install that doesn't even take close to an hour. He should be willing to throw it in as a freebie.

In fairness to Joe, in quoting the price he said he was at home and not completely sure of the price. He was quessing. He is in Seattle after all, where a block heater might be something to keep people warm at a street party.:cheesygri

[Monsieurmaggot]

The 2008 Legacy looks really nice. On Subaru's website it says that it's coming out on summer 2007. can anyone tell me what month will it come out? And will the price be similar to 2007 models?
Thanks in advance. :D

According to what I'm reading on the web, the prices for the 2008 Subarus are unchanged. There is a $20 increase in PDI (due to increase in shipping costs).

Some dealers claim to have limited inventory on hand. All are currently accepting orders.

The only drawback is that it can take months for the car to be approved by Transport Canada.

There are huge deals on the 2006s and suspect the 2007s will be deeply discounted soon. Currently the discount on most Subaru Outbacks and Legacys are $750. Interestingly a previous post mentioned that the LIMITEDs don't have $750 cash back. That would be incorrect. I was offered a 2007 LIMITED with the rebate.

The invoice pricing is unchanged but the incentives don't really exist for the 2008 until the new year. My 2007 Subaru 3.0R came with $2000 cash off invoice incentives. The hard Outback to find is any with the 3.0R boxer. Most dealers can't keep them on the lot and those that do, don't normally do trades. The new 2008 Legacy now offers the six, but the US has discontinued the Legacy Wagon and the Outback Sedan. If you want a 2008 wagon, you'll be buying the Outback. The sedans are all Legacys. Canada will keep getting the Legacy wagons: http://www.ccnmatthews.com/news/releases/show.jsp?action=showRelease&searchText=false&showText=all&actionFor=635587

I also read that due to the increase cost in aluminum, the 2008 Subarus (Legacys/Outbacks, Foresters, Imprezas) now have SHEET METAL hoods, liftbacks, (or trunks) and bumper assemblies. On the 2007s those parts were made of lightweight aluminum. This saved considerable weight but added to the cost of the car. http://www.forbes.com/business/feeds/afx/2006/12/24/afx3280775.html

[Prof]

According to what I'm reading on the web, the prices for the 2008 Subarus are unchanged. There is a $20 increase in PDI (due to increase in shipping costs).

The only drawback is that it can take months for the car to be approved by Transport Canada.

There are huge deals on the 2006s and suspect the 2007s will be deeply discounted soon. Currently the discount on most Subaru Outbacks and Legacys are $750. Interestingly a previous post mentioned that the LIMITEDs don't have $750 cash back. That would be incorrect. I was offered a 2007 LIMITED with the rebate.

The invoice pricing is unchanged but the incentives don't really exist for the 2008 until the new year.

I also read that due to the increase cost in aluminum, the 2008 Subarus (Legacys/Outbacks, Foresters, Imprezas) now have SHEET METAL hoods, liftbacks, (or trunks) and bumper assemblies. On the 2007s those parts were made of lightweight aluminum. This saved considerable weight but added to the cost of the car. http://www.forbes.com/business/feeds/afx/2006/12/24/afx3280775.html

Thanks for the additional info. I would be glad to be wrong on the rebate front. I took this statement from Subaru's website to mean that Limited models didn't receive the rebate.

$750 Customer Cash on 07 LEGACY GT models (excluding LEGACY 2.5 GT spec.B)
$750 Customer Cash on 07 LEGACY 2.5i models

Could it be a regional thing? Monsieurmaggot, were there any issues with your purchase we should watch for?

[bigbug]

I have SSN and driver's license in US. What if I just register the car in US and drive it in Canada? Does US car insurance cover accident in Canada?

[Monsieurmaggot]

Thanks for the additional info. I would be glad to be wrong on the rebate front. I took this statement from Subaru's website to mean that Limited models didn't receive the rebate.

$750 Customer Cash on 07 LEGACY GT models (excluding LEGACY 2.5 GT spec.B)
$750 Customer Cash on 07 LEGACY 2.5i models

Could it be a regional thing? Monsieurmaggot, were there any issues with your purchase we should watch for?

I can assure you that the $750 rebate applies to all Legacy and Outback trim levels except the Legacy GT Spec. B which basically sells itself. No rebates needed to sell that car. Subaru doesn't normally play the "regional rebate" games. I priced my car in Washington State, Michigan and New York. They were all the same price (even though some dealers told me that there was a $250 distributor surcharge for NY State).

The LIMITED is a higher high end trim level. If memory serves me, it's the first level that offers Fog Lights, Moonroof and leather. The highest is the LL Bean trim level. You can check www.cars101.com for the exact model breakdown.

To confuse you even more, my Bill Of Sale and Certificate of Origin shows my car as a 2007 Legacy 3.0R Outback L.L. Bean. I questioned the dealer about that. The dealer explained that the Outbacks are technically still Legacy models with Outback trim levels. They have just recently been marketed as different cars. The identical interior is the giveaway.

The person at the MTO (Ontario Transport) seemed to be confused by that too.

[tomme35]

At the end of it all, I now have a new CANADIAN Subaru Outback LLBean with an extra $14-17k in my pocket!
.

Just curious, did you register the vehicle with Subaru Canada yet for warranty/ roadside services?

[BeeBee]

Thanks to Scouzi, Prof and Monsieurmaggot for all the infos.
I am really excited to go test drive the 2007 Subarus this weekend.
For an automatic model, is the Outback 3.0 R LLBean better compare to the other models?

[Monsieurmaggot]

Just curious, did you register the vehicle with Subaru Canada yet for warranty/ roadside services?

My recall letter from Subaru Of America was also sent to Subaru Canada's warranty group.

I have 3-year roadside assistance but I don't really care how that's handled since it was so insignificant to my purchase decision.

While I hope I won't need warranty work, I'm not too worried either. I have received emails from other RFDers who purchased in Buffalo who have had warranty work done in Canada with no problem.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Thanks to Scouzi, Prof and Monsieurmaggot for all the infos.
I am really excited to go test drive the 2007 Subarus this weekend.
For an automatic model, is the Outback 3.0 R LLBean better compare to the other models?

If you're looking for sheer power off the mark, the XT turbocharger is hard to beat. Both the turbocharger and six cylinder have the same horsepower but the turbo has more torque. The LLBean comes with a 5-speed shiftronic transmission. Compared to my old Taurus, there's no comparison.

I stayed away from the turbocharger simply as a personal choice. It runs EXCLUSIVELY on Premium and since I keep my cars for at least 10 years, the maintenance cost (and cost of replacement) isn't worth the juice. I'm sure many will disagree with me but at the end of the day, unless the turbo kicks in, you're still driving a four banger... The six can run on any fuel grade.

IMHO: The Outback isn't a car designed for speed of the mark. It makes up for that in the luxury department. If you want power, I'd stick to a Legacy GT Spec B or if you really need power, go with the WRX STI. It's about $20k cheaper in the US.

[sonicDX]

Early this morning I headed over to

I told her that was incorrect and that it was a new car and no safety was required.

.


question for Monsieurmaggot , you bought a new card , so there is no safety check .

If it's a used car , should there be a satety check ? is it done by U.S. dealer or Canadian mechanic ?

thanks !

[golden]

STi is $20k cheaper from the states? Now that's tempting....

[Monsieurmaggot]

question for Monsieurmaggot , you bought a new card , so there is no safety check .

If it's a used car , should there be a satety check ? is it done by U.S. dealer or Canadian mechanic ?

thanks !

Can't answer that question as it depends on where you live in Canada. In Ontario I was quizzed about both a safety and emission test.

In Ontario, you need a Drive Clean certificate for any used car REGARDLESS of the age. A US or out of province emission test won't suffice. I just sold my old car and my Drive Clean certificate was still valid (valid for one year) so the buyer didn't need another one done. He was told that he would need one next year since in Ontario they're required every two years (for cars older than 5 years).

An Ontario Safety certificate is required for any used car. Since I don't buy used cars, I don't know what the limitation or requirements would be.

Conversely I don't know what you'd do about a UVIP which seems to be required in Ontario too. There are many experts out there who can answer that better than I ever could.

[crasher]

I have SSN and driver's license in US. What if I just register the car in US and drive it in Canada? Does US car insurance cover accident in Canada?

Then U have to pay the state tax, if you import u save on that. Check with ur insurance, canadian insurance all cover north america including US and Mexico.

[Monsieurmaggot]

STi is $20k cheaper from the states? Now that's tempting....

Providing you can find one, you could pick up a WRX STI for about $30-31k US with some accessory goodies thrown in.

Figure in exchange, add 6.1% duty (it's made in Japan), GST and PST (depends on where you reside), you're driveaway price is in the really low 40s.

In Canada the WRX STI STARTS at $49,000 PLUS accessories, PDI and taxes.

See if a Canadian dealer will sell you one for $50k driveaway! (not!) I added some typical options at the Subaru.ca site and my price was over $60k.

Remember that you're paying GST and all taxes at the lower US purchase price. For me that saved me THOUSANDS in taxes alone!

[eljay]

Question about paying PST at registration...

My DMV says that they will charge PST based on the purchase price or Canadian Red Book Value, whichever is higher. I think most provinces have that provision.

Obviously, an imported U.S. car will be purchased for substantially less than the Red Book value. So, which do we base the PST on?
Can anyone share when they paid their PST if the base was their actual purchase price converted from US$ or did you end up paying it based on the Red Book value?

Thanks.

[james-007]

Question about paying PST at registration...

My DMV says that they will charge PST based on the purchase price or Canadian Red Book Value, whichever is higher. I think most provinces have that provision.

Obviously, an imported U.S. car will be purchased for substantially less than the Red Book value. So, which do we base the PST on?
Can anyone share when they paid their PST if the base was their actual purchase price converted from US$ or did you end up paying it based on the Red Book value?

Thanks.

I'm in BC PST is based on the purchase price.

[ecgz88]

ordered a Camry Hybrid from States, wait one month, Made in Japan, have to canceled the order.:mad:

[beljevina]

Can anyone share when they paid their PST if the base was their actual purchase price converted from US$ or did you end up paying it based on the Red Book value?I got a deal on a car off eBay ... didn't really expect to win it. When I drove it into Canada across the designated border crossing, my eBay winning bid purchase price was sufficient, and that's what I paid tax on; it was less than half of what the same car would cost in Canada. Got a ~$7k CDN vehicle for ~$3K US. In case the redbook was to come out, I was also prepared to bring up items like poor tires, A/C doesn't work, or other stuff that'd be very expensive to repair, hence the lower sale value.

[lindmar]

This is possibly the most unorganized thread I've ever seen.

Is what I'm reading now that if you buy a Subaru Legacy in the US, you need to change the speedometer and use a new one?

Somebody really needs to organize this. This would make a fantastic eBook and you could sell the info.

[xaueious]

Someone start a wiki

[Tuppin]

Just to let people know. No modifications need to be made to any new Subaru purchased from the US.

The only thing to consider is that Japan built models will be subject to the 6.1% duty. Those Subaru models include the Impreza and the Forester.

[fruzmatik]

hey can anyone possbly pm me if they are aware of specific subaru dealers in New York state who will deal with Canadians? possibly some recommendations about who to speak to?

thanks in advance!

[bionicbadger]

This is possibly the most unorganized thread I've ever seen.

Is what I'm reading now that if you buy a Subaru Legacy in the US, you need to change the speedometer and use a new one?

Somebody really needs to organize this. This would make a fantastic eBook and you could sell the info.

you only need to change the speedo/instument cluster if you want the odometer and temperature to read in kilometers and celcius, the speedo is in miles and kilometers already.

I think someone already did compile the information into a book and was trying to sell it

[scouzi]

hey can anyone possbly pm me if they are aware of specific subaru dealers in New York state who will deal with Canadians? possibly some recommendations about who to speak to?

thanks in advance!

Maybe Vermont or anywhere in New-England.

Here's a good site to locate one anywhere in New England. For the Tribeca, the inventory is not moving at all. You could get a good deal.

http://www.newenglandsubaru.com/03_locate.asp

[Monsieurmaggot]

hey can anyone possbly pm me if they are aware of specific subaru dealers in New York state who will deal with Canadians? possibly some recommendations about who to speak to?

thanks in advance!

Pretty well ANY US dealer will sell cars to Canadians.

Initially I was told "no way" then EVERYONE I spoke to was willing to sell me a car once they heard that "some dealers" are.

Trick is to find the first dealer to agree.

The BIG super dealers (West Herr, Northtown in Western NY) sell to Canadians. West Herr is just a few miles from the Fort Erie (Ontario) Bridge. Sadly you still need to cross back at Queenston-Lewiston since that's the only US export site on the Niagara River.

[Anessa]

Just go further into the US (eg. non border states) and you'll get responses.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Question about paying PST at registration...

Can anyone share when they paid their PST if the base was their actual purchase price converted from US$ or did you end up paying it based on the Red Book value?

Thanks.

Canada Customs calculated my tax based on what I paid PLUS the current posted exchange rate. The MTO in Ontario didn't even need to think. They used the GST form to calculate the provincial tax.

The person at Canada Customs told me they only really question vehicle values when the vehicle price is way off (typically through a private sale or small used car retailer). She told me that they normally never question bill of sales from large retailers since "they'd have too much to loose".

[flaming homer]

After much researching, I'm going to bite and go for a 2007 Subaru Forester. I have a comment and a few questions:

For those of you comparing the Forester, note that the BASE model "2.5X" price difference between US and Canada is not large, as the 6.1% duty takes away most of the difference. However, Canadian 2.5X Premium is almost 10K more after taxes when compared toe the Canadian 2.5X Base, whereas the US 2.5X w/ Premium Package is only US$ 2500 more. You get EVERYTHING that is in the Canadian 2.5X Premium EXCEPT leather seats. For me, the difference is going to be 9K, and my local dealer recommeded after-market leather (if necessary) for CAD$ 1800

Bottom line is I'm going to be paying about < 1K more than the Canadian base 2.5X and getting a US 2.5X w/ Premium Package. I can live without the leather.

A few questions:

- I understand that you have to cross over the Queenston bridge during a business day, and I plan for Victoria Monday as this is not a US holiday. Does anyone know if the Canadian Border Agency will process me on the Queen's birthday ?

- I know the RIV fee can be paid by Credit Card, and the GST/Duty has to be paid at the border, can I use a credit card for that part as well ?

- My current quote is a few hundred ABOVE dealer invoice according to Edmunds, should I push for a better discount ? They want US$ 110 for fees which I imagine includes the US$ 45 NY State temporary plate.

- As brought up before, is the 3 years road-side assistance available in Canada ?

Thanks for any words of advice, I will gladly share my experiences if need be, bug me after Victoria day...

[Prof]

After much researching, I'm going to bite and go for a 2007 Subaru Forester. I have a comment and a few questions:

For those of you comparing the Forester, note that the BASE model "2.5X" price difference between US and Canada is not large, as the 6.1% duty takes away most of the difference. However, Canadian 2.5X Premium is almost 10K more after taxes when compared toe the Canadian 2.5X Base, whereas the US 2.5X w/ Premium Package is only US$ 2500 more. You get EVERYTHING that is in the Canadian 2.5X Premium EXCEPT leather seats. For me, the difference is going to be 9K, and my local dealer recommeded after-market leather (if necessary) for CAD$ 1800

Bottom line is I'm going to be paying about < 1K more than the Canadian base 2.5X and getting a US 2.5X w/ Premium Package. I can live without the leather.

A few questions:

- I understand that you have to cross over the Queenston bridge during a business day, and I plan for Victoria Monday as this is not a US holiday. Does anyone know if the Canadian Border Agency will process me on the Queen's birthday ?

- I know the RIV fee can be paid by Credit Card, and the GST/Duty has to be paid at the border, can I use a credit card for that part as well ?

- My current quote is a few hundred ABOVE dealer invoice according to Edmunds, should I push for a better discount ? They want US$ 110 for fees which I imagine includes the US$ 45 NY State temporary plate.

- As brought up before, is the 3 years road-side assistance available in Canada ?



Thanks for any words of advice, I will gladly share my experiences if need be, bug me after Victoria day...
$22,521 delivered price for a 2007 2.5X Prem Auto (http://www.fitzmall.com/carfind/resultsb.asp?Search=NEW&ID=S737166&photo=SU077FD&loc=FBS&mall=WF&year=2007&mk_code=SU)w/ some extra options. Invoice is $23, 732. Might be worth using this info w/your current dealer.

[yyz2hkg]

After much researching, I'm going to bite and go for a 2007 Subaru Forester. I have a comment and a few questions:

A few questions:

- I know the RIV fee can be paid by Credit Card, and the GST/Duty has to be paid at the border, can I use a credit card for that part as well ?

- My current quote is a few hundred ABOVE dealer invoice according to Edmunds, should I push for a better discount ? They want US$ 110 for fees which I imagine includes the US$ 45 NY State temporary plate.

- As brought up before, is the 3 years road-side assistance available in Canada ?

Thanks for any words of advice, I will gladly share my experiences if need be, bug me after Victoria day...


- I know the RIV fee can be paid by Credit Card, and the GST/Duty has to be paid at the border, can I use a credit card for that part as well ?

Yes.

- My current quote is a few hundred ABOVE dealer invoice according to Edmunds, should I push for a better discount ? They want US$ 110 for fees which I imagine includes the US$ 45 NY State temporary plate.

You can probably negotiate a little more, as I did. As mentioned above, by Prof, use those numbers and let us know.

- As brought up before, is the 3 years road-side assistance available in Canada ?

I called about this. Apparantly, if you use the service, SoA will reimburse you. Your VIN is not registered with Roadside Assistance here, unless you can transfer it from SoA to Subie of Canada. If anyone has any other experiences, please let me know.

[moosemanic]

Brother bought a BMW and saved about 20,000 it was brand new and had it shipped by train to NS.

Saved a bundle!

[flaming homer]

$22,521 delivered price for a 2007 2.5X Prem Auto (http://www.fitzmall.com/carfind/resultsb.asp?Search=NEW&ID=S737166&photo=SU077FD&loc=FBS&mall=WF&year=2007&mk_code=SU)w/ some extra options. Invoice is $23, 732. Might be worth using this info w/your current dealer.

Thanks Prof and YYZ2HKG for your information so far. I called Canada Border Agency this morning and confirmed:

- They're open 365 x 24 x 7, so Victoria Monday is fine
- I can pay RIV, GST, Duty, and A/C tax all with credit card (yeah points !)

Prof, your link to fitzmall seems to be dealers based in the Washington DC area, how can I leverage that against a Buffalo dealer ?

And I loved AutoByTel, which no longer exists in Canada. Anyone tried to RIV with the US version ?

And is it really a big deal to "register" with Subaru Canada once you have the car here ? I would love to have the 3-year road-side assistance and save on CAA for 3 years.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Thanks Prof and YYZ2HKG for your information so far. I called Canada Border Agency this morning and confirmed:

- They're open 365 x 24 x 7, so Victoria Monday is fine
- I can pay RIV, GST, Duty, and A/C tax all with credit card (yeah points !)

And is it really a big deal to "register" with Subaru Canada once you have the car here ? I would love to have the 3-year road-side assistance and save on CAA for 3 years.

My advice: DON'T pay the RIV fee at Canada Customs. Instead, take your car directly to RIV's offices located on the fifth floor of 405 The West Mall the next business day. They will process your paperwork directly and save you the 10-day processing wait time. Providing your car passes inspection, you can plate it the same day. It was suggested on this site and that exactly what I did.

Also, with a US Subaru you get three-year roadside assistance from AAA. CAA would be providing that service in Canada. I confirmed that by calling the 800 number on my US card. They told me that SoA would pick up the cost since I bought the car from them.

[lindmar]

My advice: DON'T pay the RIV fee at Canada Customs. Instead, take your car directly to RIV's offices located on the fifth floor of 405 The West Mall the next business day. They will process your paperwork directly and save you the 10-day processing wait time. Providing your car passes inspection, you can plate it the same day. It was suggested on this site and that exactly what I did.

Also, with a US Subaru you get three-year roadside assistance from AAA. CAA would be providing that service in Canada. I confirmed that by calling the 800 number on my US card. They told me that SoA would pick up the cost since I bought the car from them.

Monsieurmaggot,

I still dont understand about changing stuff.

IF i go over and buy a legacy GT... What exactly needs to be changed on the car?
Are you saying there is no way to change from MPH to KPH?

[flaming homer]

My advice: DON'T pay the RIV fee at Canada Customs. Instead, take your car directly to RIV's offices located on the fifth floor of 405 The West Mall the next business day. They will process your paperwork directly and save you the 10-day processing wait time. Providing your car passes inspection, you can plate it the same day. It was suggested on this site and that exactly what I did.

Also, with a US Subaru you get three-year roadside assistance from AAA. CAA would be providing that service in Canada. I confirmed that by calling the 800 number on my US card. They told me that SoA would pick up the cost since I bought the car from them.
That's great advise, I drive by The West Mall every day.

2 Questions:

- Did you end up getting a temporary Ontario (10-day) plate or did you just stick with the temporary NY plate ?
- So there is no way to "transfer" the car to Subaru Canada so that you don't have to be re-imbursed for road-side assitance ?

[Monsieurmaggot]

Monsieurmaggot,

I still dont understand about changing stuff.

IF i go over and buy a legacy GT... What exactly needs to be changed on the car?
Are you saying there is no way to change from MPH to KPH?

Why would you want to change the speedometre? The car has a dual display. The only drawback is cosmetic since the MPH markers are larger. The odometre measurements are irrelevant. It was noted that it was registering Imperial mesurements on my Form 2 but no changes were required.

If you want to spend the money converting the car to metric displays, that a personal preference. It's not an import requirement.

From personal experience, the Legacy/Outbacks don't require ANY modifications to be imported.

I got a Transport Canada conformity sticker a few days after importing my car which says my vehicle conforms to ALL of Transport Canada requirements.

[Monsieurmaggot]

That's great advise, I drive by The West Mall every day.

2 Questions:

- Did you end up getting a temporary Ontario (10-day) plate or did you just stick with the temporary NY plate ?
- So there is no way to "transfer" the car to Subaru Canada so that you don't have to be re-imbursed for road-side assitance ?

My insurance company's (State Farm) underwriter insisted that I have a NY State temporary permit while in the US and an Ontario temporary permit while driving through the province.

Since you can't drive off the NY dealer's lot without a NY State permit, adding an Ontario permit was only $15. If it made my insurance company happy then it worked for me. For $15 there's nothing to worry about.

MY recall letter was sent to me and to Subaru Canada's warranty department.

I can't speak about the Subaru claim process (and I hope I never have to) but other RFDers who have say it was relatively painless and invisible to them.

From these posts you will read that there is a specific local Toronto Subaru dealer who's attempted to drag his feet to get warranty claims done as some ill-thought protest. Others mentioned that Richmond Hill Subaru processes the claims without any problems.

If I ever have any warranty work done, I will be sure to post my dealer's response. I'm mid-way between three Subaru dealers so I don't expect any issues.

[dgr81]

I will be heading to the US in June (Indianapolis and Chicago) for a week and look to bring back a BMW M3.

My research begins today and I will post all of my findings in this thread so that it will help others looking to import a BMW.

Time to read all of the posts in this thread. Wish me luck :D

[sonicDX]

I contacted two Toyota dealer in US . ( one of them was mentioned before as the only one that sell to Canadian )
They replied back and said no to me .

Quote ,
"
Since about 6 weeks, no Toyota Dealers in the USA can sell cars to export to any countrys outside the USA., all cars been sold here in the USA needs to have valid insurance and pay taxes what ever state you are going to title the car to.
Thank you very much
"

Bad Toyota ! I am going with Subaru !

[dgr81]

Dear XXXXX:

Thank you for contacting BMW Canada.

In regards to your inquiry, BMW Canada and BMW of North America, Inc. have an agreement to
honour each other's New Car Limited Warranty of 4 years or 80,000 kilometres which ever occurs
first. Therefore, any authorized BMW retailer in Canada will provide full warranty coverage.

However, the BMW Maintenance Program and Certified Series Protection Plan are not transferable
to Canada.

Sincerely,
BMW Canada.

[dgr81]

Mr. XXXXX:

Unfortunately, only the New Car Limited Warranty is transferable to Canada.

As for the extended warranty, BMW Canada doesn't offer an extended warranty at this time.
Please contact your local BMW retailer to find out the parameters of extended warranties offered
through third party companies.

Best regards,

BMW Canada
.

[ecgz88]

I contacted two Toyota dealer in US . ( one of them was mentioned before as the only one that sell to Canadian )
They replied back and said no to me .

Quote ,
"
Since about 6 weeks, no Toyota Dealers in the USA can sell cars to export to any countrys outside the USA., all cars been sold here in the USA needs to have valid insurance and pay taxes what ever state you are going to title the car to.
Thank you very much
"

Bad Toyota ! I am going with Subaru !

Where did you get this mail, West or east?:lol:

[yyz2hkg]

From these posts you will read that there is a specific local Toronto Subaru dealer who's attempted to drag his feet to get warranty claims done as some ill-thought protest. Others mentioned that Richmond Hill Subaru processes the claims without any problems.

If I ever have any warranty work done, I will be sure to post my dealer's response. I'm mid-way between three Subaru dealers so I don't expect any issues.

Others mentioned that Richmond Hill Subaru processes the claims without any problems.

+1:arrowu:

[sonicDX]

Where did you get this mail, West or east?:lol:

EAST , including MD

[davey_fl]

I've never had a problem with CPO on my bimmers not being recognized in Canada. Wouldn't worry about it...

[eliteblaze]

Anyone know if you import a car into Canada for a year or so and export it back to the USA do you get any of the taxes and duties back at all?

[james-007]

Anyone know if you import a car into Canada for a year or so and export it back to the USA do you get any of the taxes and duties back at all?


This the government you are talking about. Why would they give you the taxes back? It's a one way street buddy, think about it!!! Remember if the vehicle is not made in North America you have to pay 6.1% duty. Do you know why they call it "duty".... it's so that they can charge you GST on it too. Yes that's right you have to pay GST on duty.....

[dgr81]

I've never had a problem with CPO on my bimmers not being recognized in Canada. Wouldn't worry about it...thanks. good to know.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I finally figured out how to post pictures of my new Outback.

Photo taken as car arrived at dealership prior to accessory installation:


http://farm1.static.flickr.com/173/464217464_205bd14569.jpg

And the speedometre with dual display:


http://farm1.static.flickr.com/190/464217448_d3e4cba698.jpg

[Prof]

It's a beauty. Love the colour. I prefer the Outback to the Legacy but my wife is a fan of "wagon."

Is it possible, if you haven't already, to see a breakdown of your costs?

[acg1978]

Hello,
I have recently went through the whole import process (btw thanks Monsieurmaggot). I will do my best to document my story and include as many details as I can. This is for a 2007 Nissan Maxima SE.

1. I contacted various dealerships using edmunds.com. You can confiure the exact specs for the car you want and then submit it to the various dealerships in a given area (sorted via zip code).

2. Once I got the lowest quote I emailed the dealership and negotiated a little lower price for myself. I ended up negotiating a price of $24,200 for the Maxima in US funds with the options I wanted.

3. I left the dealership my VISA # and they took a small deposit ($100). I was then emailed the next day with the VIN #.

4. I called my insurance and gave them the vin # and asked that insurance be effected as of the day I pick it up.

5. I contacted the dealership and gave them the phone number for my insurance compnay. They contacted the insurance company for confirmation of insurance (they call it a binder).

6. I verified with the dealer that they sent the necessary documentation to the Queenston-Lewiston border and arranged a date to pick up the car (after the 3 day wait time). The dealership faxed me the bill of sale with the outstanding balance listed.

7. THE BIG DAY!!!! I drove down to Buffalo with a buddy and advised the customs officer that I was picking up a car I had purchased with the intent to import it.

8. Got to the dealership and signed all the paperwork and checked out the car (minor chips etc... arranged to get that fixed...). The temporary sticker was already on the car and I was good to go. When I got to the Lewiston bridge the customs officer asked me how much I paid and gave me a yellow slip and told me to pull over and go inside the Canada Customs office. Make sure that you have all the required documentation (Recall Letter, Bill of Sale, etc.). They will give you Form 1 stamped and then you are required to pay the GST (I used VISA). GST is based on the posted rate that day. You have the option of paying the Import Fee at that time, which I did (VISA again). They are supposed to go outside and compare the VIN number but in my case they didn't. It was a joke... 10 minutes in and out.

9. Got back to Toronto and parked the car in the driveway. I phoned the RIV the next business day and asked them to email me the Form 2 instead of waiting in the mail for it. This form will tell you what, if any, mods need to be done. I got the required mods done the same day (DRL only in my case) and then got the Federal Inspection done at Canadian Tire (Safety and Emissions check as well - yup, they ding ya). Seeing as it was still only 2:30pm I took the car down to the MTO and got my plates and paid the PST. Make sure you take all the paperwork with you. I didn't even bother sorting through anything, I just took all the paperwork and let the various people shuffle through it.

That's it!!!!!!!!

I now got a new and beautiful 2007 Maxima for a paltry $32600 CAD once all was said and done. What an easy experience this was.
Highly recommended and I suggest you check out edmunds.com - great site!!

[perfchris]

Hello,
I have recently went through the whole import process (btw thanks Monsieurmaggot). I will do my best to document my story and include as many details as I can. This is for a 2007 Nissan Maxima SE.

1. I contacted various dealerships using edmunds.com. You can confiure the exact specs for the car you want and then submit it to the various dealerships in a given area (sorted via zip code).

2. Once I got the lowest quote I emailed the dealership and negotiated a little lower price for myself. I ended up negotiating a price of $24,200 for the Maxima in US funds with the options I wanted.

3. I left the dealership my VISA # and they took a small deposit ($100). I was then emailed the next day with the VIN #.

4. I called my insurance and gave them the vin # and asked that insurance be effected as of the day I pick it up.

5. I contacted the dealership and gave them the phone number for my insurance compnay. They contacted the insurance company for confirmation of insurance (they call it a binder).

6. I verified with the dealer that they sent the necessary documentation to the Queenston-Lewiston border and arranged a date to pick up the car (after the 3 day wait time). The dealership faxed me the bill of sale with the outstanding balance listed.

7. THE BIG DAY!!!! I drove down to Buffalo with a buddy and advised the customs officer that I was picking up a car I had purchased with the intent to import it.

8. Got to the dealership and signed all the paperwork and checked out the car (minor chips etc... arranged to get that fixed...). The temporary sticker was already on the car and I was good to go. When I got to the Lewiston bridge the customs officer asked me how much I paid and gave me a yellow slip and told me to pull over and go inside the Canada Customs office. Make sure that you have all the required documentation (Recall Letter, Bill of Sale, etc.). They will give you Form 1 stamped and then you are required to pay the GST (I used VISA). GST is based on the posted rate that day. You have the option of paying the Import Fee at that time, which I did (VISA again). They are supposed to go outside and compare the VIN number but in my case they didn't. It was a joke... 10 minutes in and out.

9. Got back to Toronto and parked the car in the driveway. I phoned the RIV the next business day and asked them to email me the Form 2 instead of waiting in the mail for it. This form will tell you what, if any, mods need to be done. I got the required mods done the same day (DRL only in my case) and then got the Federal Inspection done at Canadian Tire (Safety and Emissions check as well - yup, they ding ya). Seeing as it was still only 2:30pm I took the car down to the MTO and got my plates and paid the PST. Make sure you take all the paperwork with you. I didn't even bother sorting through anything, I just took all the paperwork and let the various people shuffle through it.

That's it!!!!!!!!

I now got a new and beautiful 2007 Maxima for a paltry $32600 CAD once all was said and done. What an easy experience this was.
Highly recommended and I suggest you check out edmunds.com - great site!!

Maybe it will convince other people to go through this process. Especially with a 88.65 dollar (1.13) !

[lindmar]

I emailed subaru in Michigan today. They said they would help me get a great deal on a new car.

I think the speedometer mph/kph kind of sucks like that.. but oh well..

I really want to get a subaru.. these look sweet.

[lindmar]

Hello,
I have recently went through the whole import process (btw thanks Monsieurmaggot). I will do my best to document my story and include as many details as I can. This is for a 2007 Nissan Maxima SE.

1. I contacted various dealerships using edmunds.com. You can confiure the exact specs for the car you want and then submit it to the various dealerships in a given area (sorted via zip code).

2. Once I got the lowest quote I emailed the dealership and negotiated a little lower price for myself. I ended up negotiating a price of $24,200 for the Maxima in US funds with the options I wanted.

3. I left the dealership my VISA # and they took a small deposit ($100). I was then emailed the next day with the VIN #.

4. I called my insurance and gave them the vin # and asked that insurance be effected as of the day I pick it up.

5. I contacted the dealership and gave them the phone number for my insurance compnay. They contacted the insurance company for confirmation of insurance (they call it a binder).

6. I verified with the dealer that they sent the necessary documentation to the Queenston-Lewiston border and arranged a date to pick up the car (after the 3 day wait time). The dealership faxed me the bill of sale with the outstanding balance listed.

7. THE BIG DAY!!!! I drove down to Buffalo with a buddy and advised the customs officer that I was picking up a car I had purchased with the intent to import it.

8. Got to the dealership and signed all the paperwork and checked out the car (minor chips etc... arranged to get that fixed...). The temporary sticker was already on the car and I was good to go. When I got to the Lewiston bridge the customs officer asked me how much I paid and gave me a yellow slip and told me to pull over and go inside the Canada Customs office. Make sure that you have all the required documentation (Recall Letter, Bill of Sale, etc.). They will give you Form 1 stamped and then you are required to pay the GST (I used VISA). GST is based on the posted rate that day. You have the option of paying the Import Fee at that time, which I did (VISA again). They are supposed to go outside and compare the VIN number but in my case they didn't. It was a joke... 10 minutes in and out.

9. Got back to Toronto and parked the car in the driveway. I phoned the RIV the next business day and asked them to email me the Form 2 instead of waiting in the mail for it. This form will tell you what, if any, mods need to be done. I got the required mods done the same day (DRL only in my case) and then got the Federal Inspection done at Canadian Tire (Safety and Emissions check as well - yup, they ding ya). Seeing as it was still only 2:30pm I took the car down to the MTO and got my plates and paid the PST. Make sure you take all the paperwork with you. I didn't even bother sorting through anything, I just took all the paperwork and let the various people shuffle through it.

That's it!!!!!!!!

I now got a new and beautiful 2007 Maxima for a paltry $32600 CAD once all was said and done. What an easy experience this was.
Highly recommended and I suggest you check out edmunds.com - great site!!


What would that car have cost you in Canada? Is that total with all yours fees?

[Monsieurmaggot]

Hello,
I have recently went through the whole import process (btw thanks Monsieurmaggot). I will do my best to document my story and include as many details as I can. This is for a 2007 Nissan Maxima SE.

1. I contacted various dealerships using edmunds.com. You can confiure the exact specs for the car you want and then submit it to the various dealerships in a given area (sorted via zip code).

2. Once I got the lowest quote I emailed the dealership and negotiated a little lower price for myself. I ended up negotiating a price of $24,200 for the Maxima in US funds with the options I wanted.

3. I left the dealership my VISA # and they took a small deposit ($100). I was then emailed the next day with the VIN #.

4. I called my insurance and gave them the vin # and asked that insurance be effected as of the day I pick it up.

5. I contacted the dealership and gave them the phone number for my insurance compnay. They contacted the insurance company for confirmation of insurance (they call it a binder).

6. I verified with the dealer that they sent the necessary documentation to the Queenston-Lewiston border and arranged a date to pick up the car (after the 3 day wait time). The dealership faxed me the bill of sale with the outstanding balance listed.

7. THE BIG DAY!!!! I drove down to Buffalo with a buddy and advised the customs officer that I was picking up a car I had purchased with the intent to import it.

8. Got to the dealership and signed all the paperwork and checked out the car (minor chips etc... arranged to get that fixed...). The temporary sticker was already on the car and I was good to go. When I got to the Lewiston bridge the customs officer asked me how much I paid and gave me a yellow slip and told me to pull over and go inside the Canada Customs office. Make sure that you have all the required documentation (Recall Letter, Bill of Sale, etc.). They will give you Form 1 stamped and then you are required to pay the GST (I used VISA). GST is based on the posted rate that day. You have the option of paying the Import Fee at that time, which I did (VISA again). They are supposed to go outside and compare the VIN number but in my case they didn't. It was a joke... 10 minutes in and out.

9. Got back to Toronto and parked the car in the driveway. I phoned the RIV the next business day and asked them to email me the Form 2 instead of waiting in the mail for it. This form will tell you what, if any, mods need to be done. I got the required mods done the same day (DRL only in my case) and then got the Federal Inspection done at Canadian Tire (Safety and Emissions check as well - yup, they ding ya). Seeing as it was still only 2:30pm I took the car down to the MTO and got my plates and paid the PST. Make sure you take all the paperwork with you. I didn't even bother sorting through anything, I just took all the paperwork and let the various people shuffle through it.

That's it!!!!!!!!

I now got a new and beautiful 2007 Maxima for a paltry $32600 CAD once all was said and done. What an easy experience this was.
Highly recommended and I suggest you check out edmunds.com - great site!!

Congratulations. Now welcome to the exclusive RFD SERIOUS SAVER CLUB(C).

Did this site have any bearing on your decision?

We should post a list of all the RFD SSC members!

[lindmar]

Congratulations. Now welcome to the exclusive RFD SERIOUS SAVER CLUB(C).

Did this site have any bearing on your decision?

We should post a list of all the RFD SSC members!


I'd still like to see this thread turned into a proper WIKI

If anyone is willing to help. I'm willing to organize, get it started. But quite frankly., I havent read all 200 pages.. I just started.... But its very confusing this way.

[Monsieurmaggot]

It's a beauty. Love the colour. I prefer the Outback to the Legacy but my wife is a fan of "wagon."

Is it possible, if you haven't already, to see a breakdown of your costs?

My breakdown was posted much earlier in the thread:

Essentially, the 2007 3.0R LLBean's invoice with PDI is $29975.

Subtract the rebate, dealer incentive, manufacturer to dealer incentive, internet purchase discount.

Add a bunch of accessories (shock sensor, reading lamps, homelink upgrade, winter mats, cargo tray, cargo net package, wheel locks, console extension, front and back bumper moldings, license plate bracket, fuel, NY State licensing). Drove away for approximately $29,000 USD.

The US Outback also include the tire pressure monitoring system which is not available on Canadian models (yet!)

The only options I didn't want was navigation, XM radio, auto start or amplifier option.

The Momo mahogany wood and leather steering wheel is awesome.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/223/464350909_ccb6b9e1dd.jpg

[superwell]

Whao..that was a-lot to read through..I did about 60 pages..here and there, and i think i got it down packed..but have a few questions left for the 2 that have listed importing a car:

acg1978: First off nice car..something I am looking at also. You said you left a $100 deposit and they gave you a VIN #, so how did you pay for the rest of the car? (also what forms of payment do they accept for this (visa, certified cheque) I assume you paid the remainder when you picked it up and you had set-up some type of financing here priror??

Monsieurmaggot: Thanks for starting this (and nice car :) So it is better to NOT pay the RIV fee at the border and drive there right after?

Just so I can help other's out here is the list of things to do as read here.

1)get best price from dealer and confirm.
2)Set-up some type of financing option (loans, credit lines)
3)Pay deposit to dealership and get VIN.
4)Give VIN to insurance and also get a temp. plate for ontario.
5)Call dealer/us bridge to make sure paper work is in place. (3 days)
6)drive/bus/walk/bike down to dealership
7)Pay remainder for car after inspection (still waiting for ways to pay answer above)
8)Drive to border (with us temp plate on) Give paper work(they check car out and give you FORM 1) and then goto canada customs for GST payment
9)After GST payment and RIV (if you choose) go home and wait for FORM 2 or goto RIV office and get Form 2.
10)After receiving Form 2 goto CT for an inspection
11) with inspecion in hand goto MTO and register car for ontario and get plates and such and pay PST

If I left anything out OR got anything wrong then please correct me or make changes.

thanks for everyone that made the effort to update us all.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Thanks for starting this (and nice car :) So it is better to NOT pay the RIV fee at the border and drive there right after?

I didn't pay the RIV fee at the border as I was stopping in to RIV on my way home. They processed my paperwork on the spot.

I paid my deposit via EFT and the rest with a Bank Draft.

Just so I can help other's out here is the list of things to do as read here.

8)Drive to border (with us temp plate on) Give paper work(they check car out and give you FORM 1) and then goto canada customs for GST payment
9)After GST payment and RIV (if you choose) go home and wait for FORM 2 or goto RIV office and get Form 2.
10)After receiving Form 2 goto CT for an inspection
11) with inspecion in hand goto MTO and register car for ontario and get plates and such and pay PST

If I left anything out OR got anything wrong then please correct me or make changes.

thanks for everyone that made the effort to update us all.

The only thing you left out is that you must show up at US Customs first. They stamp your "Certificate Of Origin" paperwork with a fancy "EXPORT" embossed stamp.

Canada Customs asks to see that stamped COO and filled in Form 1 for you. They look at the bill of sale to determine what you paid and convert the rate based on the current exchange.

The rest is correct.

After a few days of passing the CTC inspection, you will receive a new Transport Canada Sticker.

I also got a letter from the Ministry of Finance (Ontario) asking me to submit all my paperwork for verification. Not everyone is asked but I understand that this is a random request.

[superwell]

I didn't pay the RIV fee at the border as I was stopping in to RIV on my way home. They processed my paperwork on the spot.

I paid my deposit via EFT and the rest with a Bank Draft.



The only thing you left out is that you must show up at US Customs first. They stamp your "Certificate Of Origin" paperwork with a fancy "EXPORT" embossed stamp.

Canada Customs asks to see that stamped COO and filled in Form 1 for you. They look at the bill of sale to determine what you paid and convert the rate based on the current exchange.

The rest is correct.

After a few days of passing the CTC inspection, you will receive a new Transport Canada Sticker.

I also got a letter from the Ministry of Finance (Ontario) asking me to submit all my paperwork for verification. Not everyone is asked but I understand that this is a random request.


Ok so i get it right and clear it up for others, when you come to the US border with you temp plate on you must have what in hand :only the bill of sale? and they have everything else fax to them already?? and then you get the FORM1 (after) you pay GST at the CDN side.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Ok so i get it right and clear it up for others, when you come to the US border with you temp plate on you must have what in hand :only the bill of sale? and they have everything else fax to them already?? and then you get the FORM1 (after) you pay GST at the CDN side.


I had all my documents with me but US Customs only wanted to see the COO which they compared to the one the dealer faxed in. The guard came out and confirmed the VIN on the paperwork matched the car.

They didn't ask to see any other paperwork.

Canada Customs wanted my drivers' license, the bill of sale, COO with Export embossed stamp nothing more. After a couple of minutes, they handed me the completed Form1 and sent me over to the cashier over on the left who gave me a formal receipt outlining all the details.

Interestingly the MTO in Ontario kept the COO and the original receipt I got from Canada Customs.

Can anyone else confirm if the MTO kept their COO?

[sergiepopov]

believe or not, I put my own plate and crossed both borders, no one asked anything.

I just have a quick question for you guys, I didn't read the whole thing here, how Canadian Customs calculate GST and PST on NEW CARS, because when I brought a USED CAR, they didn't look at the price I paid at the dealer, instead they looked at their own estimate and I ended up paying 30% of the total cost of the car just in taxes, which basically killed the deal.

[superwell]

I had all my documents with me but US Customs only wanted to see the COO which they compared to the one the dealer faxed in. The guard came out and confirmed the VIN on the paperwork matched the car.

They didn't ask to see any other paperwork.

Canada Customs wanted my drivers' license, the bill of sale, COO with Export embossed stamp nothing more. After a couple of minutes, they handed me the completed Form1 and sent me over to the cashier over on the left who gave me a formal receipt outlining all the details.

Interestingly the MTO in Ontario kept the COO and the original receipt I got from Canada Customs.

Can anyone else confirm if the MTO kept their COO?


Maybe just to confirm, can you please let us know what "ALL" the documents you had with you were coming back into canada.

[yyz2hkg]

I had all my documents with me but US Customs only wanted to see the COO which they compared to the one the dealer faxed in. The guard came out and confirmed the VIN on the paperwork matched the car.

Can anyone else confirm if the MTO kept their COO?

I wanted to keep mine too, and asked if I could....nope...they took it!

[Monsieurmaggot]

Hey yyz2hkg;

You bought a Subaru in the US didn't you? Any regrets?

If memory serves me, didn't you get it serviced at Richmond Hill Subaru?

[Monsieurmaggot]

Maybe just to confirm, can you please let us know what "ALL" the documents you had with you were coming back into canada.

Documents in my folder included:

Proof of Insurance
Insurance letter (rider required by dealer)
Dealer's Bill of Sale - outlining the options etc...
Certificate of Origin (notarized)
Formal "NY State" automotive bill of sale (don't remember what it was called)
Temporary NY State Permit
Temporary Ontario Permit
Proof of deposit
Proof of full payment
Return bus ticket

At the US border I got my CoO stamped.
Canada Customs gave me a Form1 and a GST receipt form.

RIV gave me a Form2

MTO took a copy of my Form1 and Form2 as well as the original CoO and GST receipt. I was allowed to pay 50 cents to have copies of each.

[superwell]

Documents in my folder included:

Proof of Insurance
Insurance letter (rider required by dealer)
Dealer's Bill of Sale - outlining the options etc...
Certificate of Origin (notarized)
Formal "NY State" automotive bill of sale (don't remember what it was called)
Temporary NY State Permit
Temporary Ontario Permit
Proof of deposit
Proof of full payment
Return bus ticket

At the US border I got my CoO stamped.
Canada Customs gave me a Form1 and a GST receipt form.

RIV gave me a Form2

MTO took a copy of my Form1 and Form2 as well as the original CoO and GST receipt. I was allowed to pay 50 cents to have copies of each.

So I assume that these were all given to you by the dealership:
Dealer's Bill of Sale - outlining the options etc...
Certificate of Origin (notarized)
Formal "NY State" automotive bill of sale (don't remember what it was called)
Temporary NY State Permit

And these are brought over by you from canada:
Proof of Insurance
Insurance letter (rider required by dealer)

And these are really just your bill of sale?
Proof of deposit
Proof of full payment

[BeeBee]

I test drove the Outback 2.5 limited today for a short drive in the city. Compared to the other cars that I drove (Toyota Camry and Rav4), the handling and response was pretty good. Is there anything that I should try when I test drive that will show the quality of the 4wd?

The windows don't have a metal rim around them and when they are fully closed the windows close around a thick band of plastic seals. Can anyone that owned a Subaru tell me if water leaks in through the windows and/or if the seals around the window wears out often?

I am still debating btw 2007 vs 2008 models of Legacy (2.5i limited sedan or 3.0 R) and the Outback (3.0 R LLBean wagon). I'll need to use automatic transmission at least until I get more comfortable with manual transmission. I read somewhere that 3.0 R LLBean has better automatic because it is a V6, can anyone comment on this?

Thanks in advance.

Edit: also considering the 2008 Legacy 3.0 R. :D

[yyz2hkg]

Hey yyz2hkg;

You bought a Subaru in the US didn't you? Any regrets?

If memory serves me, didn't you get it serviced at Richmond Hill Subaru?

Any Regrets? Nope...probably the only time I've ever saved so much money. I would probably end up buying my next car in the U.S., perhaps even another Subie. If it wasn't for you MonsieurMaggot, I wouldn't have gone through the process. Again,Thanks!

RH Subaru is where I get it serviced...I don't work for them, nor am I affiliated with them, just my recommendation on their Customer Service and accepting that a warranty is a WARRANTY!

[yyz2hkg]

I test drove the Outback 2.5 limited today for a short drive in the city. Compared to the other cars that I drove (Toyota Camry and Rav4), the handling and response was pretty good. Is there anything that I should try when I test drive that will show the quality of the 4wd?

The windows don't have a metal rim around them and when they are fully closed the windows close around a thick band of plastic seals. Can anyone that owned a Subaru tell me if water leaks in through the windows and/or if the seals around the window wears out often?

I am still debating btw 2007 vs 2008 models of Legacy (2.5i limited sedan or 3.0 R) and the Outback (3.0 R LLBean wagon). I'll need to use automatic transmission at least until I get more comfortable with manual transmission. I read somewhere that 3.0 R LLBean has better automatic because it is a V6, can anyone comment on this?

Thanks in advance.

Edit: also considering the 2008 Legacy 3.0 R. :D

I took the Subie on a gravel road, slammed the brakes, let go of the steering wheel, practically did donuts...as per the salesman...his quote was "go crazy" I was a bit timid, so he got in and he went "crazy" As you said...good handling, and love the AWD system. Trust me, you can't purchase any Subaru of that trim level here in Ontario even at the US price.

As for the windows, they're frameless as you may know, the weather seal around it has been good to me with no problems. I was told to apply something on it every year, but forgot what it was called.

I ended up with the wagon, due to "family" outings...It's really up to you. I would've preferred the sedan...WoW, especially the Spec B..(drool), but NO GO due to practicality...The 2.5 has sufficient power, but the v6 just makes the car sweeter.

[fruzmatik]

Hey im interested in the subaru's as well...

The current incentives expire April 30th.....anyone have any idea if they are expected to increase or decrease..... Specifically interested in the 2007 Outback and Tribeca's.

Thanks again.

[bionicbadger]

The windows don't have a metal rim around them and when they are fully closed the windows close around a thick band of plastic seals. Can anyone that owned a Subaru tell me if water leaks in through the windows and/or if the seals around the window wears out often?


The same problem exists for all cars with frameless windows. Its not the seals that wear out, the window itself can get misalligned if its pushed around too much. You have to learn to close the car door by pushing the door closed, not pushing on the window (where the window frame would be on most cars) to close the door.

[Prof]

Hey im interested in the subaru's as well...

The current incentives expire April 30th.....anyone have any idea if they are expected to increase or decrease..... Specifically interested in the 2007 Outback and Tribeca's.

Thanks again.

When I contacted Joe and cars101, he agreed that incentives may increase. Supply will become the issue as the 2008's arrive. Last years rebates reaching $2750, if rerealized, would make make a Legacy/Outback an incredible deal. For that reason, at least, I'm being patient. I'm open to other makes but it's hard to argue the value quotient on a US vs Cdn Subarus. And to top it off, the Cdn dollar broke 89 cents today. Let's go Loonie!

[BeeBee]

When I contacted Joe and cars101, he agreed that incentives may increase. Supply will become the issue as the 2008's arrive. Last years rebates reaching $2750, if rerealized, would make make a Legacy/Outback an incredible deal. For that reason, at least, I'm being patient. I'm open to other makes but it's hard to argue the value quotient on a US vs Cdn Subarus. And to top it off, the Cdn dollar broke 89 cents today. Let's go Loonie!

Yeah! At 1.12% the exchange rate is really good.
Thanks to zzy2hkg and bionicbadger on your inputs about the frameless window.
Now my final four choices:
1. 2008 Legacy 3.0 R
2. 2007 Legacy 2.5i Limited wagon
3. 2008 Outback 3.0 R LLBean
4. 2007 Outback 3.0 R LLBean
I'll post some of the difference btw then a bit later.

[inspire]

Hmmmm ... this is becoming a Subaru post. No one interested in an Infiniti or Acura? I know the 'mainstream' cars like Honda / Toyota are not selling directly to Canadians. (Sadly, I got a deal for a 2007 Honda S2000 for $29 500 + $595 destination yesterday ... but they won't sell it to me ... MSRP for it here in C$50 000!!!)

What about the Big 3? I am under the impression that there are no more restrictions with GM / Ford / Chrysler. There is no way that a Canadian dealership can touch the price of its US counterpart!!! :D

[inspire]

believe or not, I put my own plate and crossed both borders, no one asked anything.
Dude ... you did an illegal thing here. If you got pulled over, you would have got in serious trouble. Since the plate is not registered to the car, the cops may have thought it was stolen. You could have gone to jail for this (before it was straightened out...)


I just have a quick question for you guys, I didn't read the whole thing here, how Canadian Customs calculate GST and PST on NEW CARS, because when I brought a USED CAR, they didn't look at the price I paid at the dealer, instead they looked at their own estimate and I ended up paying 30% of the total cost of the car just in taxes, which basically killed the deal.

That's how Canadian Customs (and the Canadian car industry) screws us. They don't look at your bill of sale of a used car. They look at the Canadian Black Book value. So what might be a 'deal' in the US ... you will get screwed by the gov't. Remember -- it's in the gov'ts best interest for your car to be 'worth more' so they can collect more taxes.

It's unfortunate that your experience wasn't as good as others here.

[perfchris]

Hey im interested in the subaru's as well...

The current incentives expire April 30th.....anyone have any idea if they are expected to increase or decrease..... Specifically interested in the 2007 Outback and Tribeca's.

Thanks again.

Incentives on Subarus should increase. The Tribeca has been redesigned for 2008 and thus a lot of people might wait until the model year 2008 to buy.

Subscribe to the on-line forum on edmunds.com, prices paid aind buying experiences, they have subcategories for every vehicle imaginable with real people actually giving their prices paid. Also, incentives are discussed as soon as they arrive early in the month.

[inspire]

So I assume that these were all given to you by the dealership:
Dealer's Bill of Sale - outlining the options etc...
Certificate of Origin (notarized)
Formal "NY State" automotive bill of sale (don't remember what it was called)
Temporary NY State Permit
Be sure to given the ORIGINAL copy of the certificate of origin!!! Bill of sale can be the carbon copy (but an 'original' carbon copy ... no xerox'ed copies)

If the dealership is close enough to the border, you can save on the temp plates on the US side by asking them to use a dealer plate to drive you to the border (but they would need a 2nd car to tail them ... so they can go back to the dealership!) That's what I asked when I bought a TSX ...

And these are brought over by you from Canada:
Proof of Insurance
Insurance letter (rider required by dealer)

And these are really just your bill of sale?
Proof of deposit
Proof of full payment
That's pretty much what sums it up. Make sure you bring a checklist with you to make sure your transition from US to Canada is a smooth one.

[Tuppin]

We had a Subaru Forester for 9 years and it had frameless windows. They are actually fairly common. Certain Lexus models used to have frameless windows. We never had a problem with them. I never put a thing on them either. I did try to remember to close the door by pushing on the metal part of the door...not the glass.

The Subaru AWD system is far better than the part time systems seen in most other companies such as Honda and even Toyota. In those systems the front wheels have to slip first. I remember test driving a CRV prior to the Forester and the Subaru AWD system is far better.

Subaru's hold their value extremely well. We sold our 98 Forester for $8900 last fall. We went to the US where I got a fantastic deal on a demo 7 pass Tribeca with leather and Nav ($28,600 Canadian). I really love the Tribeca...Dual zone climate, leather, cd changer, etc etc. We drove it to Florida a month ago and it was fantastic. The more I drove it the more I loved it! The nav, while not the best in the industry was a life saver!!! Works great around little ol PEI as well.

[st7860]

We had a Subaru Forester for 9 years and it had frameless windows. They are actually fairly common. Certain Lexus models used to have frameless windows. We never had a problem with them. I never put a thing on them either. I did try to remember to close the door by pushing on the metal part of the door...not the glass.

The Subaru AWD system is far better than the part time systems seen in most other companies such as Honda and even Toyota. In those systems the front wheels have to slip first. I remember test driving a CRV prior to the Forester and the Subaru AWD system is far better.

Subaru's hold their value extremely well. We sold our 98 Forester for $8900 last fall. We went to the US where I got a fantastic deal on a demo 7 pass Tribeca with leather and Nav ($28,600 Canadian). I really love the Tribeca...Dual zone climate, leather, cd changer, etc etc. We drove it to Florida a month ago and it was fantastic. The more I drove it the more I loved it! The nav, while not the best in the industry was a life saver!!! Works great around little ol PEI as well.

yes, i heard the RT4WD that honda uses has a vicious coupling that overheats if its used too long and thus the 4x4 shuts down after 5 minutes of continuous use or something like that.

[gman1975]

So a 2007 Honda Accord SE 4dr 4cyl Auto is $22,220 US inc destination fee and in Canada same car is $29,060 CDN. So that is a differance of $6,840.
If I buy in the states what can I expect the price to be CDN including all fees and taxes and how much will I save???

Thanks

[ecgz88]

When I contacted Joe and cars101, he agreed that incentives may increase. Supply will become the issue as the 2008's arrive. Last years rebates reaching $2750, if rerealized, would make make a Legacy/Outback an incredible deal. For that reason, at least, I'm being patient. I'm open to other makes but it's hard to argue the value quotient on a US vs Cdn Subarus. And to top it off, the Cdn dollar broke 89 cents today. Let's go Loonie!

the 2006 model rebate reaching $3500 I believe, and they don't have any Tribeca in Stock if you check their website CarterSubaru, looks like sales is very low.:cheesygri

[Prof]

So a 2007 Honda Accord SE 4dr 4cyl Auto is $22,220 US inc destination fee and in Canada same car is $29,060 CDN. So that is a differance of $6,840.
If I buy in the states what can I expect the price to be CDN including all fees and taxes and how much will I save???

Thanks

You would save some but be aware that you have no Cdn warranty on Honda products. GM will warranty their products but I believe someone in the thread said you had to wait 6 months. Right now, Hyundai (Sonata's currently have a $2000 US rebate -full load is around 23K) and Subarus seem to offer the best mainstream values. Toyota's can be a great buy as well but it seems that window is closing. Way to go Toyota. Let your dealers rape customers with their fixed price practice and prevent us from buying equivalent cars out of the States.

[flaming homer]

I've committed today to a 2007 Subaru Forester. While I had to haggle with the two Buffalo dealers, Van Bortel, aside from the $75 internet coupon, did not budge for me from their website price - mind you, they have excellent web price. West Kerr would take 2x $3000 credit card charge, Northtown would only take a maximum of $3000 on credit card.

Van Bortel's location makes it imposible for you do this in a day via bus from the GTA. The first Greyhound/Greycoach arrives into Rochester after noon, and you have to cross the Queenston-Leweiston bridge by 3:30, not really a possiblity considering they want an hour of your time for paperwork at the dealership.

Thanks for the recommendation on paying the RIV fee in person, I will post again after Victoria Day about the rest of the experience.

[lindmar]

I've got the Subaru Itch now too.

These are sweet looking cars.

I'm looking now at the Outback Sport....

I would be buying in Detroit.
We don't have a Subaru dealer in Windsor...

1) Do I need to have my car serviced at Subaru all the time? Can I just take it back to Detroit.

2) Can a few of you give me ideas of total price you paid if anyone bought Subaru Outbacks.... total costs.. gst/pst/

3) Would I need to pay Michigan tax?

4) Do I have to take a 2007 thats "in inventory" or will they bring me in a new one?

5) I like the Outback Sport - But its also listed as the Impreza Wagon? Confused on this as it shows in both areas... Outbacks built in the US, Impreza's in Japan... so where does this one fall?

Thanks

[BeeBee]

We had a Subaru Forester for 9 years and it had frameless windows. They are actually fairly common. Certain Lexus models used to have frameless windows. We never had a problem with them. I never put a thing on them either. I did try to remember to close the door by pushing on the metal part of the door...not the glass.

The Subaru AWD system is far better than the part time systems seen in most other companies such as Honda and even Toyota. In those systems the front wheels have to slip first. I remember test driving a CRV prior to the Forester and the Subaru AWD system is far better.

Subaru's hold their value extremely well. We sold our 98 Forester for $8900 last fall. We went to the US where I got a fantastic deal on a demo 7 pass Tribeca with leather and Nav ($28,600 Canadian). I really love the Tribeca...Dual zone climate, leather, cd changer, etc etc. We drove it to Florida a month ago and it was fantastic. The more I drove it the more I loved it! The nav, while not the best in the industry was a life saver!!! Works great around little ol PEI as well.

Thanks for the feedback. :D :D

[Prof]

I've got the Subaru Itch now too.

These are sweet looking cars.

I'm looking now at the Outback Sport....

I would be buying in Detroit.
We don't have a Subaru dealer in Windsor...

1) Do I need to have my car serviced at Subaru all the time? Can I just take it back to Detroit.

2) Can a few of you give me ideas of total price you paid if anyone bought Subaru Outbacks.... total costs.. gst/pst/

3) Would I need to pay Michigan tax?

4) Do I have to take a 2007 thats "in inventory" or will they bring me in a new one?

5) I like the Outback Sport - But its also listed as the Impreza Wagon? Confused on this as it shows in both areas... Outbacks built in the US, Impreza's in Japan... so where does this one fall?

Thanks

The Outback Sport is a trim level of the Impreza unlike the traditional Outback which is a modifed Legacy Wagon. A quick check didn't determine build location but I would suspect Japan therefore add 6.1% to pricing. Use these two sites for pricing. Cars101.com (http://www.cars101.com/subaru/impreza/impreza2006.html) run by the Internet sales manager at Carter Subaru in Seattle and Fitzmall (http://www.fitzmall.com/carfind/search.asp?lstMake=SUBARU), a dealergroup in the eastern US. You're looking at around 19K US for a an SE Sport model, less for a lower model. There is a $500 rebate in effect. At that price, your Cdn equivalent is around $23K after exchange and duty (again SE Sport trim). Hope that helps.

[Tuppin]

Outback sports are made in Japan. Better deal in Canada would be the Outback 2.5 basic or the 2.5i which has better options. They are very cheap and available in the US. You can service it at a Canadian dealer or the US dealer as Subaru USA would pay for any warranty work...even if the work was done in Canada....so it means a little more paperwork for the Canadian Subaru dealer....usually not a problem although they must be totally frustrated at losing all the sales to the US dealers. In the US the warranty is tracked through the serial number....so warranty work should not be a problem.

[Prof]

Rebate for Outback Basic and i models went up to $1000 this week. Essentially, there is after tax, a 10K savings from Canada. It's almost obscene.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I've got the Subaru Itch now too.

These are sweet looking cars.

I'm looking now at the Outback Sport....

I would be buying in Detroit.
We don't have a Subaru dealer in Windsor...

1) Do I need to have my car serviced at Subaru all the time? Can I just take it back to Detroit.

IMHO, Unless you keep receipts and records, new cars should be serviced at the dealers to ensure you don't run into trouble with warranty repairs.


2) Can a few of you give me ideas of total price you paid if anyone bought Subaru Outbacks.... total costs.. gst/pst/

Many of us did. You'll need to do your own homework to get the exact price as it varies with accessories and options purchased.



3) Would I need to pay Michigan tax?

No US tax of any kind is payable.


4) Do I have to take a 2007 thats "in inventory" or will they bring me in a new one?

Since I got in just as the factory orders for 2007 were closing out, I got exactly what I wanted. My dealer found my car in Pennsylvania and had it flat-bed shipped to Buffalo. The car was in Buffalo in a few days.

The 3.0R LLBeans are VERY DIFFICULT to find particularly in the more popular colours. For the extra few grand, the added traction and stability control are well worth it.

One last note to anyone looking at Subarus. Last fall, an old cement mixing building was being demolished near the Boston storage facility that housed many vehicles (not just Subarus). Many of the cars suffered CEMENT DUST damage and shipped to both Canada and the US. Be sure to ask if the car had been exposed to that dust. Any car manufactured early spring or summer of last year could have been exposed. Find out when your selected vehicle was made. Mine was manufactured in 01/07

Most US dealers (all I dealt with) were open about those cars. US dealers deep discount these cars and are required to have you sign a "waiver" saying you understand they were environmentally damaged. A couple of Canadian dealers were selling "re-finished" vehicles that appeared to be re-painted. I don't know if they suffered the same damage.

Last thing you want is high-toxic silica particles floating around in the vehicle cabin even though the insurance companies had the vehicles "professionally detailed" and all air filtration filters replaced.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Yeah! At 1.12% the exchange rate is really good.
Thanks to zzy2hkg and bionicbadger on your inputs about the frameless window.
Now my final four choices:
1. 2008 Legacy 3.0 R
2. 2007 Legacy 2.5i Limited wagon
3. 2008 Outback 3.0 R LLBean
4. 2007 Outback 3.0 R LLBean
I'll post some of the difference btw then a bit later.

The Legacy 3.0R will be one quick car. Imagine that as a Spec B with a six-speed manual tranny.

You know that in the fall they introduced a 2.5i LLBean that includes navigation? It's actually a better deal than the 2007 Limited since it has more options for less money.

Remember only the 2007 LLBean and XT offer traction control and variable torque distribution. That makes the car even more stable.

Luckily, traction control and VTD is now an available option across most 2008 model lines

[lindmar]

Are 08's importable yet?


And since we're talking about servicing ...

does that mean oil changes and what not too?

Seems weird there is no subaru in windsor... yet a dealer in Sarnia..

[Monsieurmaggot]

Are 08's importable yet?



No.

If it was like last year, many won't be until late fall...

Getting timely importation schedules would imply an efficient import process. I'm thinking the Canadian manufacturers aren't too quick to help out the feds.

[bilzebub]

08 subarus not importable till fall? woah, that puts a crimp in my plans (was just about to order an 08 3.0R Legacy) Say it isn't so!! >:(

[lindmar]

No.

If it was like last year, many won't be until late fall...

Getting timely importation schedules would imply an efficient import process. I'm thinking the Canadian manufacturers aren't too quick to help out the feds.


Thats OK.
I think I'm going to wait then.

[shopper-X]

Thats OK.
I think I'm going to wait then.

But will the dollar wait that long...heres hoping.

[bilzebub]

Just called RIV to inquire on the 2008s: they said they are admissable before the publication of the admissability list so long as Subaru head office faxes on company letterhead an admissability letter for your vehicle (incl VIN) before you go to the border.

[Monsieurmaggot]

You are correct.

It took Subaru until October to get the 2007s approved for import. There was very little technical changes between the 2006 and 2007s.

RIV told me that some manufacturers don't submit information for up to six months after the model goes on sale in Canada.

May be their way to suppress the market.

[lindmar]

Just called RIV to inquire on the 2008s: they said they are admissable before the publication of the admissability list so long as Subaru head office faxes on company letterhead an admissability letter for your vehicle (incl VIN) before you go to the border.

Not really sure what that means?
Is subaru going to do that?

[Monsieurmaggot]

Not really sure what that means?
Is subaru going to do that?

What you'd be doing is essentially contacting the manufacturers' Canadian subsidiary and telling them you don't want to buy their overpriced Canadian model. You would also like their assistance in ensuring that the same vehicle purchased from a US subsidiary at a much lower price conforms to the Canadian standard. If it doesn't, request that they provide all necessary information on what actually differs between the two models.

Expect a warm and speedy reception with that request.

I didn't need a car that badly. I simply waited until the approval list was updated to include my model year and minimized any contact with the Canadian subsidiary.

[bilzebub]

Well it's not SOC I was told to contact, but SOA, as they are the ones selling the car, and have the VIN. Not that they'd want to help out either, necessarily, but they might, who knows? I'll give'em a call.

[BeeBee]

Well it's not SOC I was told to contact, but SOA, as they are the ones selling the car, and have the VIN. Not that they'd want to help out either, necessarily, but they might, who knows? I'll give'em a call.

It would be great if SOA would do that for us to speed up the importation.
Please keep us know if SOA will do that. :D :D I am also waiting for 08 models to get approved for importation.

[ecgz88]

can't wait to import 2008 Tribeca,looks need wait another 4 month for RIV to put on the list>:(

[Tuppin]

Don't count on being able to speed the process. Last fall I tried to get them to speed up the process with the 2007 Subarus. They were out in the Western US for 6 months and Eastern US 3 months prior to Subaru Canada adding them to the list for import. Subaru USA would not send the letter to the RIV even though they had Subaru dealers asking them to so they could sell to Canadians. Subaru Canada obviously didn't care. Basically when Subaru Canada starts to import the next year model is when they will show up on the RIV list. Expect it to be Sept or Oct. Keep an eye on the Subaru Canada website or just call your local Canadian Subaru dealer and ask when the 08's will arrive....that will give you an idea.

[stock_junkie]

I'm interested in compiling a list of people who want to buy in Buffalo when the 2008 Subaru's are on the RIV admissibility list. Can you imagine the clout we'll have if a bunch of us buy together? We'll get the best price with alot of extra's thrown in so that they get our business! What do you think? Inbox me your name, your e-mail address and maybe the Subaru you're interested in, and when the time comes I'll send out a group e-mail and we can go through the process as a group and even go pick up our vehicles together.

I had my heart set on a RAV4 but the savings on Subarus is just sick. Also Subaru dealers in the US seem to actually value Canadians business as opposed to Toyota.

P.S. Big thanks to Monsieurmaggot for starting this thread and taking the time to answer questions and post your personal experience.

[bilzebub]

I called SOA and they will not fax an admissbility letter. The CSR was sympathetic, however, and is going to get back to me with info as to when the admissability list is being updated... :|

[shaolinmonk]

anybody got any info on importing an scion xb?

this thread has gotten me a bit confused....

[drhal]

Sorry if this information has been stated already as I did not read all messages. I was looking for an S2000 from the US, you have to pay 14% pst, gst and 6.9% duty on any NAFTA non complaint car. The TV show Canadian Driver (may have been Driving TV) did series of shows on importing and interviewed an importer who stated that the saving must be at least 5000 before it is really worth it. One thing to watch for is that it is easy to clear the history of car in the US – wipe out flood damage etc. Recently I check some cars with known damage (about 2000 in repairs) on car fax and they came up clean which lead me to believe only very expensive repairs are listed. Watch out for the S2000, from what I found there are only great deals on cars with a lot of damage if you going to look for a 2004 or younger.

[drhal]

Oh and I forgot, if you are not going to keep the car for a long time my friend found that they are alot harder to sell, although some people make a good living off of importing.

[fruzmatik]

What border crossing can vehicles be exported at in New York State?
Only the Alexandria crossing? or is that the office that handles the paperwork?

http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/toolbox/contacts/ports/ny/0701.xml

On the ogdensburg crossing is shows vehicle export services provided by alexandria crossing but what does that mean ?

thanks again!

[michelb]

What border crossing can vehicles be exported at in New York State?
Only the Alexandria crossing? or is that the office that handles the paperwork?

http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/toolbox/contacts/ports/ny/0701.xml

On the ogdensburg crossing is shows vehicle export services provided by alexandria crossing but what does that mean ?

thanks again!

Just call and ask them. You need to do that anyway to find out if they only handle exports during specific hours, if they'll accept a fax of the title or if they want the original, if they need or really want the title 72hrs before (or some are even 72 business hours before), etc (some places may want the original title in their hand 72 business hours before you export - others are fine with a fax).

[Monsieurmaggot]

anybody got any info on importing an scion xb?

this thread has gotten me a bit confused....

Go to RIV.ca.

Be careful as some 2005 and 2006 Scion tC models are not admissible in Canada. I understand the biggest issue is that the bumpers can't pass the crash safety tests.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Sorry if this information has been stated already as I did not read all messages. I was looking for an S2000 from the US, you have to pay 14% pst, gst and 6.9% duty on any NAFTA non complaint car. The TV show Canadian Driver (may have been Driving TV) did series of shows on importing and interviewed an importer who stated that the saving must be at least 5000 before it is really worth it. One thing to watch for is that it is easy to clear the history of car in the US – wipe out flood damage etc. Recently I check some cars with known damage (about 2000 in repairs) on car fax and they came up clean which lead me to believe only very expensive repairs are listed. Watch out for the S2000, from what I found there are only great deals on cars with a lot of damage if you going to look for a 2004 or younger.

Duty is actually 6.1% on non-NAFTA cars. I watched the same episode on television. The importer won't bother bringing in a car that has less than $5000 in price since it eats in on their profit. It costs $206 to import a car. Why pay an importer $2000 to do it? Remember that ANY charges to make the car compliant are passed along to the client as well. Don't expect them to deliver any car to you for the price specified. You are responsible to ensure the car conforms to Canadian standards.

There are a few GTA-area dealer-importers that do sell compliant cars. Unfortunately in the case of Subarus, they mark them up by $10k! The lazy buyer still saves thousands off the Canadian retail price but bends over for the importer.

I'll help ANYONE import a Legacy or Outback at no additional cost. Just follow my directions or PM me.

[xriddle]

Is there any clear documentation anywhere that states whether GST and duty is calculated on the value or the Bill of Sale. I find it odd that some people say it depends on the customs officer. If it is based on the value do they use the Canadian Black Book values?

Thanks

I'm looking at importing a 2006 IS 250 AWD and want to calculate if its worth it after everything. Thus far I think I can easily save 10K.

Thanks

[flaming homer]

Go to RIV.ca.

The Scions are not admissible in Canada. I understand the biggest issue is that the bumpers can't pass the crash safety tests.

Scions are admissible, seen the xB all the time in the GTA. It is the 2005/2006 tC that is not admissible.

In the RIV guide, they're listed under Toyota/Lexus

[michelb]

Is there any clear documentation anywhere that states whether GST and duty is calculated on the value or the Bill of Sale. I find it odd that some people say it depends on the customs officer. If it is based on the value do they use the Canadian Black Book values?

Thanks

I'm looking at importing a 2006 IS 250 AWD and want to calculate if its worth it after everything. Thus far I think I can easily save 10K.

Thanks

Easiest thing to do is to call the customs office and ask them. It could be that it depends on if the purchase is from a dealer or if it's private (in Ontario, a private sale is charged tax based on BlackBook while a sale through a used/new dealership is charged tax on purchase price). I bought a used vehicle sold by a dealer in the US and was charged GST on the price on the bill of sale (haven't completed importation/registration so don't know if they'll charge me PST on the Black Book value or on the bill of sale value).

[Monsieurmaggot]

What border crossing can vehicles be exported at in New York State?
Only the Alexandria crossing? or is that the office that handles the paperwork?

http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/toolbox/contacts/ports/ny/0701.xml

On the ogdensburg crossing is shows vehicle export services provided by alexandria crossing but what does that mean ?

thanks again!

I can confirm that on the Niagara River, you can import a car at Fort Erie and Lewiston 24/7 BUT US Customs only has an export office at Lewiston. It also operates on restricted hours Monday through Friday. If memory serves me I think the hours are 10:00 - 3:30 p.m.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Scions are admissible, seen the xB all the time in the GTA. It is the 2005/2006 tC that is not admissible.

In the RIV guide, they're listed under Toyota/Lexus

I stand corrected.

I will edit my post accordingly.

Thanks for pointing that out.

[acg1978]

The Lewiston bridge is actually open until 4:30 pm Monday-Friday. I'm unsure when they open but I suspect it is either 8:30 or 9:00 like most other Federal government departments.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Easiest thing to do is to call the customs office and ask them. It could be that it depends on if the purchase is from a dealer or if it's private (in Ontario, a private sale is charged tax based on BlackBook while a sale through a used/new dealership is charged tax on purchase price). I bought a used vehicle sold by a dealer in the US and was charged GST on the price on the bill of sale (haven't completed importation/registration so don't know if they'll charge me PST on the Black Book value or on the bill of sale value).


michelb is correct. What he writes is exactly what Canada Customs told me over the phone.

[lindmar]

Duty is actually 6.1% on non-NAFTA cars. I watched the same episode on television. The importer won't bother bringing in a car that has less than $5000 in price since it eats in on their profit. It costs $206 to import a car. Why pay an importer $2000 to do it? Remember that ANY charges to make the car compliant are passed along to the client as well. Don't expect them to deliver any car to you for the price specified. You are responsible to ensure the car conforms to Canadian standards.

There are a few GTA-area dealer-importers that do sell compliant cars. Unfortunately in the case of Subarus, they mark them up by $10k! The lazy buyer still saves thousands off the Canadian retail price but bends over for the dealer.

I'll help ANYONE import a Legacy or Outback at no additional cost. Just follow my directions or PM me.

I will be pm'ing, emailing you when the 2008's get put on the riv list..

[inspire]

Sorry if this information has been stated already as I did not read all messages. I was looking for an S2000 from the US, you have to pay 14% pst, gst and 6.1% duty on any NAFTA non complaint car.

Dude ... I got a deal for a brand new 2007 S2000 for US$29,500 + US$595 freight out of a Michigan dealership. Problem is ... Honda USA won't let me buy it from the directly. We need to find someone who will buy it from Honda ... get the COO (certificate of origin) and then buy it from the 2nd party for export.

I calculate after all is said and done, the car will cost ~C$43k at 13% exchange rate, taxes & licenses in. That's roughly C$15,000 savings over a new one from any Ontario Honda dealership!!!

[golden]

Sorry to ask as I forgot if I read it over this long thread or not, is the Legacy (non Outback version) also made in the States? I'm also interested in the Infiniti G35, but I think the saving won't be as much due to the 6.1% Duty

Duty is actually 6.1% on non-NAFTA cars. I watched the same episode on television.

I'll help ANYONE import a Legacy or Outback at no additional cost. Just follow my directions or PM me.

[golden]

I thought Honda won't honour the US warranty if you import it.

Dude ... I got a deal for a brand new 2007 S2000 for US$29,500 + US$595 freight out of a Michigan dealership. Problem is ... Honda USA won't let me buy it from the directly. We need to find someone who will buy it from Honda ... get the COO (certificate of origin) and then buy it from the 2nd party for export.

I calculate after all is said and done, the car will cost ~C$43k at 13% exchange rate, taxes & licenses in. That's roughly C$15,000 savings over a new one from any Ontario Honda dealership!!!

[Gromit]

I thought Honda won't honour the US warranty if you import it.

Which means that even if you got a total lemon and end up having to pay $10,000 in repairs yourself, you're still ahead of the game.

The lack of a warranty is really a small consideration here.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Sorry to ask as I forgot if I read it over this long thread or not, is the Legacy (non Outback version) also made in the States? I'm also interested in the Infiniti G35, but I think the saving won't be as much due to the 6.1% Duty

The Legacy is s'merican! An "Assembled with Pride in Indiana" sticker is affixed to the left rear window.

For those auto enthousiasts out there, yes Indiana!

I hear that cars are only assembled in Indiana during the winter months as most hoosiers are out in the fields from April to harvest in September!

[flaming homer]

The Legacy is s'merican! An "Assembled with Pride in Indiana" sticker is affixed to the left rear window.

For those auto enthousiasts out there, yes Indiana!

I hear that cars are only assembled in Indiana during the winter months as most hoosiers are out in the fields from April to harvest in September!

Colleague was turned-off Subarus when he was told that Subarus were made in "India" at a local auto-show few years ago...

US exchange is unreal today, 1.1146....

[dealzuser]

Which means that even if you got a total lemon and end up having to pay $10,000 in repairs yourself, you're still ahead of the game.

The lack of a warranty is really a small consideration here.

Has anyone asked about buying extended warranty once you get it imported?

[cybermat]

After doing 100+ pages, I am definitely interested in buying a 2007 Subaru Legacy GT from the US. Anyone else in the same boat? We can get a group together and get some negotiation power.

Thanks for starting this thread and documenting your entire process.

[yyz2hkg]

Sorry to ask as I forgot if I read it over this long thread or not, is the Legacy (non Outback version) also made in the States? I'm also interested in the Infiniti G35, but I think the saving won't be as much due to the 6.1% Duty

The savings are there...a few pages back, someone had a quoted an Infiniti G35x imported here with a savings of approximately 4-8 thousand after taxes and fees.

[eliteblaze]

Has anyone at all been able to import a Lexus? Their selling UNDER invoice in the US.. so it's a real steal :D

We're talking about $8000 in savings on a $50000 car!!!!

[ecgz88]

Has anyone at all been able to import a Lexus? Their selling UNDER invoice in the US.. so it's a real steal :D

We're talking about $8000 in savings on a $50000 car!!!!

Lexus all made in Japan, so 6.1% duty cut the deal:lol:

[ecgz88]

Check Acura website

The warranties in this booklet do not
cover:

Any vehicle while it is registered
or normally driven outside of the
United States, Puerto Rico, or the
U.S. Virgin Islands.:mad:

[perfchris]

Lexus all made in Japan, so 6.1% duty cut the deal:lol:

Just to let everyone know not all Lexus are made in Japan.

The Lexus RX350 is assembled in Canada (check the VIN, it starts with 2)
There is at least a 15000 dollar discrepancy between the RX350 sold in Canada vs USA. A fully loaded RX350 goes for about 45000 US vs 70000 in Canada. Anyone interested ?

[eliteblaze]

that's exactly what i'm looking at... If anyone knows a way to buy a lex in the states let me know
And right now you can get that fully loadedx 2007 rx350AWD (brand new) for 40gs

[d-kim]

I'm interested... If anyone finds a dealer, can you please PM me?

thanks...

[perfchris]

Consult edmunds.com - prices paid and buying experience subforum - lexus rx 350. You will be surprised at the prices !

[michelb]

If you're looking for a dealer and you're serious about buying, start calling and emailing.

Here's a list (complete ?!?) of all the Lexus dealers by state:
http://car-dealers.automobile.com/Lexus/make-6/

From the forum, it looks like border states are sometimes harder than states a bit farther.

[perfchris]

Consult edmunds.com - prices paid and buying experience subforum - lexus rx 350. You will be surprised at the prices !

Just went to edmunds.com, Wow ! people are getting full equipped RX350 AWD MSRP of 46000 for 40400. That car is in the 70s here. If anyone is interested please PM me as I am willing to help out, I have already gone through the experience of importing for a friend.

Cheers !

[tzcnd]

EAST , including MD

Thats too bad that our friends in Maryland will no longer sell Toyotas to Canadians. Bought a Sienna from them in November and was the easiest car purchase that I had ever made. I know that they sold quite a few cars to Canadians so they can't be happy with the new directive from Toyota.

Guess if I wouldn't have been able to buy my Toyota in the U.S. I would have probably gone with a Subaru even though they don't make a minivan. But I would have definately still purchased my car from the U.S. There was no chance that I would have bought a car at these overinflated Canadian prices.

I'm very happy with my purchase and the $10000 that I saved feels much better in my pocket than in the pocket of the car company that is now number one in the world.


I've said it before and i'll say it again. Look south for big savings on your next car purchase. Do a bit of homework and save a pile of cash. I don't think that manufacturers/dealers in Canada will ever change their ways. They realize that only a few people will ever buy from the U.S. and that in the end they will be able to screw most of the people most of the time.

[tzcnd]

Just went to edmunds.com, Wow ! people are getting full equipped RX350 AWD MSRP of 46000 for 40400. That car is in the 70s here. If anyone is interested please PM me as I am willing to help out, I have already gone through the experience of importing for a friend.

Cheers !

Kind of ironic that a vehicle that is made about ten minutes away from where I live is over $20000+ cheaper if i go to the U.S. and buy it from a dealer there.

I think this is just more of Toyota Canada telling Canadian car buyers to bend over.:mad:

[michelb]

Thats too bad that our friends in Maryland will no longer sell Toyotas to Canadians. Bought a Sienna from them in November and was the easiest car purchase that I had ever made. I know that they sold quite a few cars to Canadians so they can't be happy with the new directive from Toyota.

Guess if I wouldn't have been able to buy my Toyota in the U.S. I would have probably gone with a Subaru even though they don't make a minivan. But I would have definately still purchased my car from the U.S. There was no chance that I would have bought a car at these overinflated Canadian prices.

I'm very happy with my purchase and the $10000 that I saved feels much better in my pocket than in the pocket of the car company that is now number one in the world.

...

I think it's harder but if you look/call around, you can still find Toyota dealers that will sell to Canadians. In another forum, someone said he bought a Sienna in the US a few days ago.

[ecgz88]

Thanks for the collection, but keep in mind RX350 will redesign 2008:lol: .

How about the Lexus RX400H? is it made in Japan?

Just to let everyone know not all Lexus are made in Japan.

The Lexus RX350 is assembled in Canada (check the VIN, it starts with 2)
There is at least a 15000 dollar discrepancy between the RX350 sold in Canada vs USA. A fully loaded RX350 goes for about 45000 US vs 70000 in Canada. Anyone interested ?

[ecgz88]

They realize that only a few people will ever buy from the U.S. and that in the end they will be able to screw most of the people most of the time.:)

I try to find Camry Hybrid in US, just need base model but all I can find is full-loaded, the dealer order one for me but unfortunatelly it's made in Japan.>:(

[michelb]

They realize that only a few people will ever buy from the U.S. and that in the end they will be able to screw most of the people most of the time.:)

I try to find Camry Hybrid in US, just need base model but all I can find is full-loaded, the dealer order one for me but unfortunatelly it's made in Japan.>:(

I think I looked into this before and I believe that all of the Toyota Hybrids are from Japan (please correct me if I'm wrong).

Actually a quick search showed me that you *some* Camry Hybrids are built in the US but I'm not sure how you can order one or the other (most seem to be from Japan). Could be that they just started making them in the US so newly received ones are US built (Georgetown, KY) but slightly older ones are from Japan.

[Trigger]

I think I looked into this before and I believe that all of the Toyota Hybrids are from Japan (please correct me if I'm wrong).

Actually a quick search showed me that you *some* Camry Hybrids are built in the US but I'm not sure how you can order one of the other (most seem to be from Japan)

I'm quite sure all Toyota/Lexus hybrids are made in Japan. For a fact, the Cambridge plant does not make any Lexus hybrids.

Camry Hybrids I find unlikely to be made in Kentucky/the rest of the US. Considering their volume (at the moment), it makes no sense to have the same car (hybrid camry) manufactured in different locations.

The only luck you'll have getting a hybrid with no 6% duties is the Ford Escape right now (which as far as I know is the only domestic hybrid being manufactured). There'll be more shortly... the Vue is out shortly (unless it's out already) and GM/Ford will have a few more out soon too.

No word on whether Nissan will make it's Altima hybrid in the US.. I find that unlikely.

Pretty sure the Accord hybrid is manufactured in Japan. Not sure about the Civic hybrid.

Trigg

[michelb]

I'm quite sure all Toyota/Lexus hybrids are made in Japan. For a fact, the Cambridge plant does not make any Lexus hybrids.

Camry Hybrids I find unlikely to be made in Kentucky/the rest of the US. Considering their volume (at the moment), it makes no sense to have the same car (hybrid camry) manufactured in different locations.

...

Here's an example

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Toyota-Camry-2007-Camry-HYBRID-Beat-this-price-24-973_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6017QQihZ007QQitemZ 170103257345QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
(look at the picture of the 'sale tag' and of the VIN)

There's also another one on eBay listed as built in Georgetown, KY (but they don't have a pic of the tag)

In case you are curious, I ran Carfax on the VIN of the first one and it says 'Manufactured and shipped to original dealer' on 2007/01/08 and then I ran a 'Japan' built one and it came back with a date of 2006/08/10 (both are MY2007) so it could simply be a date thing (until they were ready to build them in the US, they imported from Japan)

[Trigger]

Here's an example

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Toyota-Camry-2007-Camry-HYBRID-Beat-this-price-24-973_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6017QQihZ007QQitemZ 170103257345QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
(look at the picture of the 'sale tag' and of the VIN)

There's also another one on eBay listed as built in Georgetown, KY (but they don't have a pic of the tag)

In case you are curious, I ran Carfax on the VIN of the first one and it says 'Manufactured and shipped to original dealer' on 2007/01/08 and then I ran a 'Japan' built one and it came back with a date of 2006/08/10 (both are MY2007) so it could simply be a date thing (until they were ready to build them in the US, they imported from Japan)

You are correct sir, they are in fact manufactured here. Sounds like they have approximate volumes of 45,000 a year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Camry

And I thought I was a car expert. With that news, I wouldn't be surprised if the Highlander, Corolla, and RX hybrids start being manufactured here in a short bit.

Good news indeed for people looking to buy and avoid the tax rate.

[eliteblaze]

except no one knows where to buy the lexus/toyota cars ;)

[eliteblaze]

Right on... that's an INSANE savings... I wasn't going to buy the rx350 before but now it's perfectly in price range.

Just went to edmunds.com, Wow ! people are getting full equipped RX350 AWD MSRP of 46000 for 40400. That car is in the 70s here. If anyone is interested please PM me as I am willing to help out, I have already gone through the experience of importing for a friend.

Cheers !

[Monsieurmaggot]

There's no need to worry about mis-information on where a car is manufactured.

Under the NAFTA rules it's very simple to determine. If the FIRST character of the VIN is a NUMBER. It's a NAFTA car. If it's a LETTER, 6.1% duty applies.

To confirm this yourself simply google "indentifying VIN".

From the VINGUARD.ORG site: Identifying VIN:

1st character- Identifies the country in which the vehicle was manufactured.
For example: U.S.A.(1or 4), Canada(2), Mexico(3), Japan(J), Korea(K), England(S), Germany(W), Italy(Z)

There's no science to it. The Customs computers are set up to automatically spot this and to apply the tax as required.

[Alexo]

Hey guys,

What about compact and subcompact cars?
Which are worth buying in the States?

Thanks.

[Monsieurmaggot]

As I have mentioned in the past, if you think that Canadian dealers and manufacturers are taking advantage of the Canadian consumer, there is something you can do. Contact the following organizations:

You local MP and MPP or:

The Canadian Competition Bureau:

File a complaint by phone or by fax:

Monday - Friday, 8:30 a.m. to 4:30 p.m., Eastern Time.
Toll-free: 1 800 348-5358
TDD (for hearing impaired): 1 800 642-3844
Fax: (819) 997-0324

File a complaint by mail:

Competition Bureau
50 Victoria Street
Gatineau, Quebec
K1A 0C9

Send them an email and have them look into this. Someone is making huge money here and it's not us. email: compbureau@cb-bc.gc.ca

You can also file a complaint with Consumer and Corporate affairs:

http://consumerinformation.ca/app/oca/complaintcourier/index.do?lang=e

Canadian Consumer Information Gateway - Office of Consumer Affairs
Industry Canada
235 Queen Street
6th Floor West
Ottawa, ON
K1A 0H5
Tel: (613) 946-2576
E-mail: consumer.information@ic.gc.ca

Something's SERIOUSLY wrong when you have to buy a car outside the country.

[tzcnd]

They realize that only a few people will ever buy from the U.S. and that in the end they will be able to screw most of the people most of the time.:)

I try to find Camry Hybrid in US, just need base model but all I can find is full-loaded, the dealer order one for me but unfortunatelly it's made in Japan.>:(

Your quote about the screwing sounds familiar. Oh I know where I saw it, I said the exact same thing in post #1693.:)

[ecgz88]

Some Camry Hybrid it's built in Georgetown, KY. In my case dealer offer me about $153 over "invoice", their margin is low so not willing to trade one for me from other dealer.:lol:

If you check US Toyota dealer stock, most of them just have full loaded Camry Hybrid since it's still a hot item in US.


Here's an example

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Toyota-Camry-2007-Camry-HYBRID-Beat-this-price-24-973_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6017QQihZ007QQitemZ 170103257345QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
(look at the picture of the 'sale tag' and of the VIN)

There's also another one on eBay listed as built in Georgetown, KY (but they don't have a pic of the tag)

In case you are curious, I ran Carfax on the VIN of the first one and it says 'Manufactured and shipped to original dealer' on 2007/01/08 and then I ran a 'Japan' built one and it came back with a date of 2006/08/10 (both are MY2007) so it could simply be a date thing (until they were ready to build them in the US, they imported from Japan)

[shopper-X]

I did a search and did not see this posted.

I found this on LegacyGt.com (US Info)
How to Buy a New Subaru at 2% Below Dealer Invoice Without Haggling (http://www.legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58200)

The cheapest membership is the National Gardening Association.
I have emailed the NGA to see if Canadian's can join for $19.95 USD per year price. I keep everyone posted.

NGA Subaru Info P1 (http://assoc.garden.org/login/?q=subaru1)
NGA SOA FAQ (http://assoc.garden.org/login/?q=subaru2)


Procedures

To participate in the VIP Program:
1. National Gardening Association members must receive an approved VIP Dealer Visit Authorization form PRIOR to contacting a participating Subaru dealer.
2. Members must contact National Gardening Association to request a dealer visit authorization form.
3. National Gardening Association will verify the customer's membership status.
4. The member will be asked their name, membership ID number, address, telephone number and choice of participating dealer.
5. The National Gardening Association member services employee will log on to the VIP website at www.vip.subaru.com using their National Gardening Association e-mail address. TheNational Gardening Association member services employee will complete the Dealer Visit Authorization form on line and submit it to the VIP Partners Program at SOA for processing.

Upon receipt, SOA will mail the SOA approved Dealer Visit Authorization form directly to the National Gardening Association member. As an introduction to the dealer, SOA will also fax a copy of the Dealer Visit Authorization form directly to the dealer. The authorization form is non-transferable and will expire in 45 days from the date of the letter. The member must take the form to the participating dealer indicated on the form. We ask that the member wait until the form is received before visiting Subaru dealers. The form must be presented to the participating dealer contact person (noted on the Dealer Authorization form) upon entry into the dealership.

The bold portion is the only snag I see, but it may not be since most of this stuff is handled by lower tiered employees and don't care.

[ecgz88]

To qualify, you must be a paid NGA Supporter in good standing for at least six months prior to purchase:twisted:

Good Job find this useful info!

[GoiNGPoSTaL]

Has anyone broght over a Spec B/GT Limited? If so what was the total cost?

I need a new car for around $30k Cad.

[shopper-X]

To qualify, you must be a paid NGA Supporter in good standing for at least six months prior to purchase:twisted:

Good Job find this useful info!

True, but if someone (like me) who is waiting for the 2008's to be admissible this is fine.
The VIP program is very cleaver in the wording, so may have to wait like 6 months anyways.

Vehicle Availability

All new Subaru models are included in the VIP Program, subject to availability and dealer discretion. At the dealer's election, the Subaru vehicle may be secured from the dealer's new vehicle inventory or ordered from SOA. From time-to-time, new models may be temporarily held from the VIP Program until dealer inventories are sufficient to accommodate VIP customers.

New Subaru vehicles are those never titled, not previously reported sold and generally have less than 100 miles.


So this may save 2% more as people are getting close to invoice, but it may not either.

[stanleyko]

Woo... Someone is selling 2007 model?
T.O. Lexus dealership is selling 2008 (old style to keep deperication low) since March.


that's exactly what i'm looking at... If anyone knows a way to buy a lex in the states let me know
And right now you can get that fully loadedx 2007 rx350AWD (brand new) for 40gs

[stanleyko]

More and more TCH you can get in Ontario are make from the States.
I ordered mine last August and luck that it was from Japan. People who got their TCH from States said workmanship is a bit off.

I think I looked into this before and I believe that all of the Toyota Hybrids are from Japan (please correct me if I'm wrong).

Actually a quick search showed me that you *some* Camry Hybrids are built in the US but I'm not sure how you can order one or the other (most seem to be from Japan). Could be that they just started making them in the US so newly received ones are US built (Georgetown, KY) but slightly older ones are from Japan.

[PascualPitch]

Hey guys,

What about compact and subcompact cars?
Which are worth buying in the States?

Thanks.

Good question. There is a lot of sub-compact and compact cars sold in Canada...

Which are the cheapest cars (and their price) a Canadian citizen can buy in the States? We are talking about new cars, made in NAFTA territory, with a transferrable warranty in Canada, and with US dealers willing to sell Canadians.

[shopper-X]

Got a reply from the NGA and yes Canadians can join for $19.95 per year.


Yes. The price is the same.
-----Original Message-----
From: XXXXX XXXX [mailto:xxxxxxxxx@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 11:46 PM
To: customerservice@garden.org
Subject: Joining the National Gardering Association


Hi,
I Live in Canada and would like to join the NGA.
Is the price the same at $19.95USD per year?

Thank you,

Xxxxx Xxxx


Good time to join if you're looking for a 2008. The membership and RIV should work out at the same time, six months.

[930929930]

so does it mean i cannot take advantage of this if i want to get a BMW Z4?
since they are not made within NAFTA so i have to pay 6.1% more and i got no warranty??
please advise....

[shopper-X]

so does it mean i cannot take advantage of this if i want to get a BMW Z4?
since they are not made within NAFTA so i have to pay 6.1% more and i got no warranty??
please advise....

If it's not NAFTA you HAVE to pay 6.1% duty. No way around it.
Monsieurmaggot posted a few times that if the VIN starts with 1,2,3, or 4 it's NAFTA and NO 6.1% duty. Everything else, open your wallet.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Has anyone broght over a Spec B/GT Limited? If so what was the total cost?

I need a new car for around $30k Cad.


Spec. B's are really well priced in the US but you won't get one for less than $33-35k plus taxes. They sell themselves and don't even have rebates applicable to them.

On another note, after reaching a special agreement, SUBARU has started producing US Camrys in their Lafayette Indiana assembly plant. This isn't unusual to see cross-manufacturer assembly plants.

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070421/BUSINESS/704210423/1003

[Monsieurmaggot]

I've been getting a lot of email from people asking me the same questions over and over. I am compelled to mention this again:

It's true: NOT ALL CARS ARE CHEAPER IN THE US

Some folks seem to delight in pointing out that "so and so" is actually cheaper in Canada. That's great. Overall, accessories and PDI are way higher here. Many base models are about the same price. The difference can be considerable when you upgrade the trim level or add expensive options.

I'm not an expert or an importer. I don't know what cars qualify for import, what cars are American-made, warranty transferability or what the current rebates are. Those questions should be asked publicly to the group reading these threads. I'll give you my opinion if you want it.

All I've been doing is simply pointing out that once you decide on a car to buy, price it in the US. Do your own research. Call the manufacturer about warranty coverage. If they say they won't honour the warranty believe them. If no one in the US is willing to sell you a particular model, you'll need to determine if you're willing to pay the extra cash for the Canadian model. If the savings aren't worth your efforts, that's your business.

In my case, I WANTED A SUBARU from the start. Upon researching Subarus on the Internet, it was apparent to me that they are way overpriced in Canada. For a few days of work, I saved about $15-17k! I decided to tell everyone this fact.

When I crossed over the border one guy was delighted with the $30k he saved buying a 2007 Corvette in the US. Another mentioned even after paying duty, he bought a Passat in Buffalo and saved about $25k. You can't realistically expect to save this kind of money if you're looking for a Yaris or Civic. I can almost guarantee with certainty that for a particular amount of cash, you can do CONSIDERABLY better buying in the US. A $25k US Subaru works out to be $40-45k Canadian in automotive dollars.

[ecgz88]

Most dealer just have 2008 model now, and 2008 price is higher

I contacted Seattle Lexus dealer, no luck, :evil: they said they can sell second-hand but not brand new.

Woo... Someone is selling 2007 model?
T.O. Lexus dealership is selling 2008 (old style to keep deperication low) since March.

[ecgz88]

Call Subaru Vip Program as well make sure you can attend this program:)



Got a reply from the NGA and yes Canadians can join for $19.95 per year.



Good time to join if you're looking for a 2008. The membership and RIV should work out at the same time, six months.

[Anessa]

Most dealer just have 2008 model now, and 2008 price is higher

I contacted Seattle Lexus dealer, no luck, :evil: they said they can sell second-hand but not brand new.


Try some in Oregon ;)

[fruzmatik]

Hey everyone just wanted to thank you all for such an informative thread....Doesnt matter what anyone says you CAN save alot of cash on a new car.....

I am picking up a brand new 2007 Subaru Tribeca 5passenger Limited
MSRP: $33,519
Invoice: $31,849
Rebates/Discounts: $2000 Cash Back, $1000 Dealer Incentive

Purchase Price:30,899 - $3000 = 27,899
Vehicle Accessories: $1824
Total: $29,723 + 57.50 Fees = $29,780.50
= 33607.29 CDN (RBC conversion)
= 38,312.31 (GST + PST)
+ RIV, a/c fee, gas (~210+~100+~80)
= ~ $38,700

The same car in canada:

MSRP $45,195.00
PDI & Freight $1,495.00
Air Tax $100.00
Accessories $3,055.62
Purchase Price $49,845.62
PST $3,987.65
GST/FST Taxes $2,990.74
Total $56,824.01

Although, im sure you could negotiate the canadian MSRP price down, maybe by 3 or 4 thousand dollars, but even still savings amount to over $14,000.

Also exporting new vehicles through alexandria bay does not require 72 hours notice as the vehicles are new and untitled....i have confirmed this with them by phone.....

Thanks Again for the Savings! Just hoping others will take advantage too!

[ecgz88]

$3950 off Invoice!!!!!!!!!!!you are very good negotiator:razz:

Hey everyone just wanted to thank you all for such an informative thread....Doesnt matter what anyone says you CAN save alot of cash on a new car.....

I am picking up a brand new 2007 Subaru Tribeca 5passenger Limited
MSRP: $33,519
Invoice: $31,849
Rebates/Discounts: $2000 Cash Back, $1000 Dealer Incentive

Purchase Price:30,899 - $3000 = 27,899
Vehicle Accessories: $1824
Total: $29,723 + 57.50 Fees = $29,780.50
= 33607.29 CDN (RBC conversion)
= 38,312.31 (GST + PST)
+ RIV, a/c fee, gas (~210+~100+~80)
= ~ $38,700

The same car in canada:

MSRP $45,195.00
PDI & Freight $1,495.00
Air Tax $100.00
Accessories $3,055.62
Purchase Price $49,845.62
PST $3,987.65
GST/FST Taxes $2,990.74
Total $56,824.01

Although, im sure you could negotiate the canadian MSRP price down, maybe by 3 or 4 thousand dollars, but even still savings amount to over $14,000.

Also exporting new vehicles through alexandria bay does not require 72 hours notice as the vehicles are new and untitled....i have confirmed this with them by phone.....

Thanks Again for the Savings! Just hoping others will take advantage too!

[fruzmatik]

Information = Bargaining Power ....thanks to everyone here!!!

P.S. I contacted the MTO and they said they cant give me a temporary trip permit since the car is not located in Ontario currently....They further said the New York Transit permit will be enough to drive the car in Ontario....

Anyone have any input? I should probably take their word for it, but i am a skeptical guy. :D

[ecgz88]

I believe Subaru have $2000 rebate to customer and $2000 incentive to dealer at this time, but you get a awesome deal,

still wait for 08 Tribeca:)

[Monsieurmaggot]

Information = Bargaining Power ....thanks to everyone here!!!

P.S. I contacted the MTO and they said they cant give me a temporary trip permit since the car is not located in Ontario currently....They further said the New York Transit permit will be enough to drive the car in Ontario....

Anyone have any input? I should probably take their word for it, but i am a skeptical guy. :D

Welcome to RFD's Subaru Super Saver Club!

The person who told you that at the MTO must be the same idiot I dealt with.

The whole purpose of a trip permit is to licence a car while in transit.

All you need to provide them is the vehicle's VIN. My suggestion, for $15 do it. It's not worth the hassle if you get stopped. Also, my insurance company (State Farm) insisted it have a Ontario Transit permit in order to be insured under my policy - don't understand the specifics but that's what their underwriter insisted on.

[cdencore]

believe or not, I put my own plate and crossed both borders, no one asked anything.

I just have a quick question for you guys, I didn't read the whole thing here, how Canadian Customs calculate GST and PST on NEW CARS, because when I brought a USED CAR, they didn't look at the price I paid at the dealer, instead they looked at their own estimate and I ended up paying 30% of the total cost of the car just in taxes, which basically killed the deal.

This totally SCARY! This means you are reallt taking a huge financial risk when you are buying a USED car from the USA. I had been hoping to buy a USED ACURA TSX from the USA; your email has just scared me out of trying to do this.

[Monsieurmaggot]

This totally SCARY! This means you are reallt taking a huge financial risk when you are buying a USED car from the USA. I had been hoping to buy a USED ACURA TSX from the USA; your email has just scared me out of trying to do this.

I agree.

Buying a new car in the US is one thing, but buying private is a whole different ball of wax. Definitely not for the faint of heart.

Can't imagine what your recourse would be if problems come up and title or damage isn't reported.

Unless you know the reputation of the seller or really know your vehicles, I'd rather buy from a dealer in Canada who buys from the US. At least I can go after them in court.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I have added new poll questions in the Automobile Deals thread.

Thanks to michelb for suggesting most of the questions.

The poll will run for 120 days at which time I will post a new one.

Go over and add your comments:

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=436654

[cupoftea2823]

hi, anyone imported a 2007 VW GTI or planning to import one?
if so, where do you get yours and for around how much?
please let me know
i would like to get a GTI instead of the 2007 rabbit if i can save up a lot from importing 1 from states.

[yayaya]

Well, I am a virgin no more :D this is my first post !

I have read every single page of this most interesting forum and found it most informative.

Has someone found out or posted difinitively if GM factory warranty is transferrable to Canada and fully honoured?

I am looking to buy a 2007 used vehicle on Ebay and am unsure about the warranty.

Many thanks for replies !

Ron

[cupoftea2823]

Oh, also, if i get a second hand gti from states thru a private sale, do i have to pay tax as well?

[perfchris]

Oh, also, if i get a second hand gti from states thru a private sale, do i have to pay tax as well?

If you buy from a dealer, you will pay GST 6% on the converted value of the bill of sale in CDN funds. You will then pay PST when you register also based on the value in CDN funds. Be very careful about buying from a private seller, you will probably have to pay the GST and PST on the book value of the car in Canada. Also, if the border agents suspect a too lowish value on the bill off sale they will charge GST on the book value also.

Another to keep in mind is that the GTi is made in Germany and thus a 6.1 % duty will be imposed on the value of the vehicle which will also be used to calculate your GST due and the PST upon registration. The inspection process should be painless as according to Consumer Reports the GTi has Daytime running lights.

[perfchris]

Well, I am a virgin no more :D this is my first post !

I have read every single page of this most interesting forum and found it most informative.

Has someone found out or posted difinitively if GM factory warranty is transferrable to Canada and fully honoured?

I am looking to buy a 2007 used vehicle on Ebay and am unsure about the warranty.

Many thanks for replies !

Ron
I believe that the warranty becomes valid 6 months after you maintain ownership of the vehicle. But, just to make sure, call the manufacturer !

[Anessa]

How does it work if you buy a used car from let's say an actual Lexus or Subaru dealer. How do they calculate the tax - using actual price paid or their own inflated estimates?

[shopper-X]

How does it work if you buy a used car from let's say an actual Lexus or Subaru dealer. How do they calculate the tax - using actual price paid or their own inflated estimates?

If you buy from a dealer that is not a private sale, the bill of sale will be the value of the car (correct me if I'm wrong).

When it comes to private sales, people try to "fudge" the value with a lower one to avoid taxes on both ends. If the private sale value is too low, customs will start to question and start using their book values.

[michelb]

If you buy from a dealer that is not a private sale, the bill of sale will be the value of the car (correct me if I'm wrong).

When it comes to private sales, people try to "fudge" the value with a lower one to avoid taxes on both ends. If the private sale value is too low, customs will start to question and start using their book values.

I can confirm that for a used car from a dealer, you will be charged tax on the bill of sale (not the book value).

[perfchris]

A friend of mine recently bought a Camry Hybrid in Canada. His VIN starts with 4: built in the USA. Time to start look into this, especially with the ECO rebate from transport Canada and the dollar hitting 90 cents ! 1.11

[shopper-X]

Call Subaru Vip Program as well make sure you can attend this program:)

Just got an email back, after explaining that I live in Canada and have joined the NGA and that I would be purchasing from a US Dealer.

The answer was YES, they will mail the certificate to a Canadian address to be used at a US dealership.


Yes, we will mail your paperwork to a Canadian address.

To me this is HOT! I will be joining the NGA for $19.95 and waiting six months since the 2008's are not on the RIV list until that long anyways.

[Anessa]

I can confirm that for a used car from a dealer, you will be charged tax on the bill of sale (not the book value).

+1. Thanks

[perfchris]

Unfortunately I am sure that neither the federal or provincial governments will be handing out rebates on a car purchased in the USA........:cry:

I am also considering a Camry Hybrid and with both the fed and prov rebates I don't really think it will be worth while importing from the USA......If I was looking at a loaded XLE that might be a different story.......

Are you sure about the statement you just made ? You should at least try to contact transport Canada and your local provincial DMV.

[scouzi]

Information = Bargaining Power ....thanks to everyone here!!!

P.S. I contacted the MTO and they said they cant give me a temporary trip permit since the car is not located in Ontario currently....They further said the New York Transit permit will be enough to drive the car in Ontario....

Anyone have any input? I should probably take their word for it, but i am a skeptical guy. :D


I don't know about Ontario but in Quebec, a US transit temp permit is valid. It must be similar with Ontario.
I confirmed with the SAAQ by calling myself.

[michelb]

Unfortunately I am sure that neither the federal or provincial governments will be handing out rebates on a car purchased in the USA........:cry:

I am also considering a Camry Hybrid and with both the fed and prov rebates I don't really think it will be worth while importing from the USA......If I was looking at a loaded XLE that might be a different story.......


Are you sure about this? From what I've been able to gather this is incorrect. For Ontario anyway, the rebate (actually a reimbursement of the PST) is offered on the taxes paid upon registration is is available for new or used vehicles so it should make absolutely no difference if the car is from Canada or imported.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Unfortunately I am sure that neither the federal or provincial governments will be handing out rebates on a car purchased in the USA........:cry:

I am also considering a Camry Hybrid and with both the fed and prov rebates I don't really think it will be worth while importing from the USA......If I was looking at a loaded XLE that might be a different story.......

From what I've read, the rebate is on the tax paid. Where you purchase the vehicle should be of no consequence.

From those I know who purchased hybrids, you pay the full tax upon purchase and apply for the credit afterwards. Kinda like a mail-in rebate.

[johnsa]

If I am incorrect that is great..I will have to look into this! My inlaws just bought a Hybrid before the fed rebate........for the provincial thay had to mail in a copy of their bill of sale..still waiting for rebate chq.

[sergiepopov]

Just for general info, I know there are some people here who imported Subaru from the US, a friend brought an '06 Honda Pilot from California just this Friday, 25000 USD, the vihicle was purchased at the dealer, transferrable warranty, taxes on declared value, top of the line. I think it's a pretty awesome deal.

[fuhreal]

Anyone researched motorcycles and the cost to import them?

[sonicDX]

[QUOTE=sergiepopov;5024617]Just for '06 Honda Pilot from California just this Friday, 25000 USD, the vihicle was purchased at the dealer, transferrable warranty,QUOTE]

From previous posts , Honda doesn't honor the US warranty in Canada .

[flaming homer]

From previous posts , Honda doesn't honor the US warranty in Canada .
Since it was a 2006 Pilot, I imagine either:

- Canadian Buyer paid California state tax and 'registered' it in CA prior to exporting to Canada

or

- Used - previously registered in CA

Either case I believe meets Honda's requirement for cross-border warranty

[iw_786]

Does anyone know any cheap and reliable shipping companies that would deliver a car from the US to Edmonton?

[shopper-X]

Does anyone know any cheap and reliable shipping companies that would deliver a car from the US to Edmonton?

I just used Hansen's Forwarding for my move from Ontario to Saskatchewan. Great service and rates. You can get a quote off the site.
http://www.lhf.com/

They also have a Import and Export link on their site.
Importing Link (http://www.lhf.com/hansens/refs_links/importexport/import.php)

[johnsa]

Have been doing a bit of looking on the net and it seems that others in the US have been able to get a Hybrid slightly below the invoice of 23,500, for about 23,200 plus freight and lets assume small admin fee ..make it about 24k @1.11 26640.....not bad..wonder if any Cdn dealers are offering much discounts?? likely not much with the rebates available. Even assuming a generous 2,000 off MSRP of 32000 and freight/admin, that's still a potential savings of about 5,000 or so.

Not bad...assuming we can get BOTH the provincial and fed rebates....

[johnsa]

From the feds website:New eligible vehicles purchased or leased (long term lease of 12 months or more) as of March 20, 2007 will qualify for the rebate.

It refers to only new car purchases....but does not seem to have any exclusions about US cars...

[michelb]

Since it was a 2006 Pilot, I imagine either:

- Canadian Buyer paid California state tax and 'registered' it in CA prior to exporting to Canada

or

- Used - previously registered in CA

Either case I believe meets Honda's requirement for cross-border warranty


This has been discussed to death in the forum. The only case that a US Honda keeps it's warranty in Canada is if the US owner (doesn't matter if it's new or used) but has to be registered in the US exports it and then registers it in Canada (your first example). And in the case, the warranty is ONLY valid for that owner - if he sells it used in Canada before the warranty expires, the warranty is void.

[baz5]

Okay, there are 118 pages on this, I have a question about used.
Do certified used cars keep their warranty if they come to Canada or only certain models?

I phoned a dealership in ND and they said he thinks all certified will keep their value.

[Prof]

This is a great thread without question. Real money is available to be saved by using the advice and experience of posters here, especially the OP. Still, having read every post in the thread at one time or another, it grows and grows and the same questions keep popping up. It's been suggested this be made a sticky, something that seems a good idea. I have not gone through this process (yet) so I don't feel qualified to speak to the overall procedure. One or two have offered somewhat organized advice on the steps but I think it needs a more structured set of guidelines. If someone who has been through the process feels the urge to consolidate the steps and advice into a single post, I for one would be very grateful. I suggest that such a post be "stickied" and locked for viewing only so that we don't end up with 100+ page thread again. Comments could be restricted to accompanying threads that could then encourage edits/updates to the original without it growing unwieldly as this thread has.

Here's a sample outline based on the kind of

1A General Background Advice
1a This section would include such items as financing, negotiating exchange rates, duty issues, pricing hints/comparisons, methods for research etc.

1b Warranty - the following companies offer full warranty coverage on US purchased models.....The following companies offer warranty but with restrictions or limitations....The following companies do not offer warranty under any conditions

2A Purchase Process: new vehicle
2a These are the step by step with timelines procedures for importing a US purchased vehicle
1.
2.
3.

3A Purchase Process: used vehicle
etc.

[st7860]

its not very useful to have a locked thread

[yyz2hkg]

It sounds like a good idea, and this has been suggested previously about making it into a sticky, but no one has come forward. Again, anyone who's willing to put it together, you're free to use my post I made on importing and financing.

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=363416

[cba123]

Sorry...adding to the post/page count...at least this thread isn't 769 pages long, and questions are repeated a fraction of the time.

Taking a few hours to read 100 pages to save $1000's isn't too much to ask...think of it like getting paid $10+ for each page you read.

[ecgz88]

It's difficult to get Camry Hybrid for invoice price( dealer are not willing to sell since there need do additional paper work), plus most dealer just have full loaded in stock:o

For Fed rebates, I contact TransCanada twice, they said need ask the guy who design this program :cheesygri and not give me answer yet, but should be no problem.

Have been doing a bit of looking on the net and it seems that others in the US have been able to get a Hybrid slightly below the invoice of 23,500, for about 23,200 plus freight and lets assume small admin fee ..make it about 24k @1.11 26640.....not bad..wonder if any Cdn dealers are offering much discounts?? likely not much with the rebates available. Even assuming a generous 2,000 off MSRP of 32000 and freight/admin, that's still a potential savings of about 5,000 or so.

Not bad...assuming we can get BOTH the provincial and fed rebates....

[PascualPitch]

From what I've read, the rebate is on the tax paid. Where you purchase the vehicle should be of no consequence.

From those I know who purchased hybrids, you pay the full tax upon purchase and apply for the credit afterwards. Kinda like a mail-in rebate.

From the Revenu Quebec website:

QST rebate for hybrid vehicles

If you purchase, lease for a long term (at least 12 months) or bring into Québec a prescribed new hybrid vehicle, you may be entitled to a rebate of the Québec sales tax (QST) paid.

So if you can buy a Camry Hybrid in the States, (build in the States, to avoid the non-NAFTA tax), stack the provincial and federal rebates, and get the fuel economy for 5 years/100 000 kms, with the small depreciation on the Toyotas, well... it seems like a good deal!

[john_rt]

re: creating a sticky

I recently purchased a Subaru Legacy GT in NY and brought it over.
And just from my experience, it is going to be hard to create one sticky to cover the warranty issue primarily because every mfr. seems to have a different set of rules and I think it changes.

For a subaru, this is what the 100% rule currently is:
If you buy a Subaru in the states, the warranty is 100% valid in the states and you can always get it serviced there.

(the following is a mixture of first hand and second/third hand knowledge)
There is currently some uncertainty regarding Canada honoring the warranty. They have to honor it (according to their legal requirements with SOA/Subaru of America). However, depending on the dealership, they may make it a bigger hassle than its worth (just take it to states and save yourself some headaches). The dealership can make you pay for the service and then get compensated from SOA. SOA does not like this and if you talk to them they will sometimes talk to the dealership.
However, your warranty SHOULD be honored and SOA should be willing to help you get it honored. Worst case scenario is take it to the states. When you are saving 10+K on a car (25% savings), its not that bad a price to pay especially if you live near the border.

All other mfrs, no ideas.

[michelb]

re: creating a sticky
...

For a subaru, this is what the 100% rule currently is:
If you buy a Subaru in the states, the warranty is 100% valid in the states and you can always get it serviced there.

(the following is a mixture of first hand and second/third hand knowledge)
There is currently some uncertainty regarding Canada honoring the warranty. They have to honor it (according to their legal requirements with SOA/Subaru of America). However, depending on the dealership, they may make it a bigger hassle than its worth (just take it to states and save yourself some headaches). The dealership can make you pay for the service and then get compensated from SOA. SOA does not like this and if you talk to them they will sometimes talk to the dealership.
However, your warranty SHOULD be honored and SOA should be willing to help you get it honored. Worst case scenario is take it to the states. When you are saving 10+K on a car (25% savings), its not that bad a price to pay especially if you live near the border.

All other mfrs, no ideas.

Unfortunately, for most people, going to the US for warranty work isn't really an option - not sure how close the nearest US Subaru dealership is to Toronto but for people in Ottawa, Montreal or Vancouver, it's a good 1 to 2 hours or more to the nearest US dealership. Personally, I always drop off my car on the way to work if I need any service done - obviously this not an option if the garage is 2 hours away. And that's assuming that you can even drive the car - if you need to get towed, it would probably cost a lot and you might even have a hard time finding someone to do it (can tow trucks in Canada even tow vehicles into the US)?

For what it's worth, I think both our cars have had at least $5k repairs done on warranty so IMO accepting to not have warranty because you are saving a lot on the car might not be that wise (not that you were suggesting that but it's been mentioned a few times in the thread).

[Gromit]

For what it's worth, I think both our cars have had at least $5k repairs done on warranty so IMO accepting to not have warranty because you are saving a lot on the car might not be that wise (not that you were suggesting that but it's been mentioned a few times in the thread).

Of course it's been mentioned. Because saving $10K - paying $5K in repairs = $5K *still* in savings.

And $5K in warranty repairs is *huge*. My last three vehicles have had $0. That's two Toyotas and a Honda, going nearly 20 years back to 1988.

The only situation in which you have to worry about the warranty is:

A) You're buying a US vehicle that's hardly a savings.

and

B) You're buying such a crap vehicle that's historically so unreliable that you're expecting that the warranty repairs will eat up your entire savings on the purchase.

In case A, you probably shouldn't be making that deal at all, really. If you're not saving a huge chunk of change, it's really not worth the hassle. The entire point of doing this is to save the huge bucket of cash.

And in case B, you shouldn't be buying that brand of vehicle, period. There's more than enough competition that you can get a great vehicle *and* a reliable one.

[Beradon]

And $5K in warranty repairs is *huge*. My last three vehicles have had $0. That's two Toyotas and a Honda, going nearly 20 years back to 1988.

B) You're buying such a crap vehicle that's historically so unreliable that you're expecting that the warranty repairs will eat up your entire savings on the purchase.

In case A, you probably shouldn't be making that deal at all, really. If you're not saving a huge chunk of change, it's really not worth the hassle. The entire point of doing this is to save the huge bucket of cash.

And in case B, you shouldn't be buying that brand of vehicle, period. There's more than enough competition that you can get a great vehicle *and* a reliable one.Whether you go with case A or B it's still a risk to go without warranty. Frankly, the best way to go about it is to purchase third party warranty coverage. Contact the APA or CarhelpCanada for a list of reputable companies.

[michelb]

Of course it's been mentioned. Because saving $10K - paying $5K in repairs = $5K *still* in savings.

And $5K in warranty repairs is *huge*. My last three vehicles have had $0. That's two Toyotas and a Honda, going nearly 20 years back to 1988.

The only situation in which you have to worry about the warranty is:

A) You're buying a US vehicle that's hardly a savings.

and

B) You're buying such a crap vehicle that's historically so unreliable that you're expecting that the warranty repairs will eat up your entire savings on the purchase.

In case A, you probably shouldn't be making that deal at all, really. If you're not saving a huge chunk of change, it's really not worth the hassle. The entire point of doing this is to save the huge bucket of cash.

And in case B, you shouldn't be buying that brand of vehicle, period. There's more than enough competition that you can get a great vehicle *and* a reliable one.

Whether you go with case A or B it's still a risk to go without warranty. Frankly, the best way to go about it is to purchase third party warranty coverage. Contact the APA or CarhelpCanada for a list of reputable companies.

I agree that my repairs are probably higher than the norm but I don't think it's reasonable to assume that you're not going to have any warranty repairs (over a 3-5 year period (avg length of most manufacturers warranty), I don't think it's uncommon to get at least $2k-3k in warranty work done (that's only about $750/year which really isn't much for modern cars with shop rates at close to $100/hr)).

Not sure why I've had so much warranty repairs - maybe it's combination of bad luck, harder driving (although I don't think I drive that hard, I'm sure I drive harder than others (e.g. my dad)), being picky (if it's on warranty, I'll have anything and everything fixed (this is probably one of the main reasons my claims are so high)) and vehicle choice (last three cars have been VW, Chrysler and Volvo (not necessarily all bad but certainly not Toyota or Honda (although my dad drives an Echo (and drives very mellow) and I think he has had a good $500/year of warranty repair for minor things)). The trim level also makes a difference here - if you buy the basic trim and/or a basic car (e.g. Echo, Civic), you usually end up with less 'little items' claims however if you're saving $10k, you're likely not buying a simple, cheap, basic trim car.

A third party warranty might be an option but if you get some, make sure it's clear that the car doesn't have manufacturers warranty anymore (if it doesn't) since that will significantly affect your rates (they usually have a set of rates/coverage for with and without existing factory warranty). I've had a 3rd party warranties twice in the past and I have to say that I wasn't very pleased with it (once on a used car and once on a new car) - you'd have to fight for claims, they have to authorize everything and nickle and dime all repairs, some of them force you to use certain garages (are at least strongly encourage by having different deductibles).

I'm not saying that the warranty issues kill buying in the US (I bought a vehicle in the US myself (although it's an older one with no warranty anyway)) but you certainly have to keep it in mind. Saving $10k on a $50+k vehicle is great but if you end up having to pay $3k in warranty repairs out of your pocket and you have a vehicle than on resale is worth $3k less, then the deal isn't quite as good and there's certainly more hassle (while it's not hard to buy in the US, it's certainly a lot more work than going to a local dealership) and risk (if you buy a car in the US thinking you'd keep it for 5 years and something happens 6 months down the line and you need to sell it (lose your job, move away for job, change in lifestyle, etc), you will likely take a very significant hit on resale especially if there's no warranty - you might not care but people buying your 6 month old car with 5000 miles on it (i.e. almost new) might care a lot that it doesn't have a warranty)

[john_rt]

Unfortunately, for most people, going to the US for warranty work isn't really an option - not sure how close the nearest US Subaru dealership is to Toronto but for people in Ottawa, Montreal or Vancouver, it's a good 1 to 2 hours or more to the nearest US dealership. Personally, I always drop off my car on the way to work if I need any service done - obviously this not an option if the garage is 2 hours away. And that's assuming that you can even drive the car - if you need to get towed, it would probably cost a lot and you might even have a hard time finding someone to do it (can tow trucks in Canada even tow vehicles into the US)?

My american dealership is about 2 hours away. Yes, you lose some convenience in that you cannot drop off the car on your way to work. But c'mon, do the math, even if you need to take a couple of days off over the course of the 3 year warranty to take the car in, rent a car in the meantime (they'll give you a loaner but lets say worst case scenario), you stay at a hotel in the states while they fix it, ...., how much is it going to cost you? Is it more than 10k? If it is, yes, perhaps you should not be buying a car in the states.
Except for the fact that you don't need to take the car to the US. Subaru of Canada will fix the car for you though you may have to make the payment and Subaru of America has to re-imburse you. PITA? Yes, worth saving $$? For me it is.


Saving $10k on a $50+k vehicle is great but if you end up having to pay $3k in warranty repairs out of your pocket and you have a vehicle than on resale is worth $3k less, then the deal isn't quite as good

And you don't pay out of your pocket for warranty repairs. In the rare cases where Subaru of Canada doesn't just fix it for free, you can ask Subaru of America to pay the bill (and according to other forums, they have). And I've received letters from Subaru of America that Subaru of Canada will honor the warranty.



then the deal isn't quite as good and there's certainly more hassle (while it's not hard to buy in the US, it's certainly a lot more work than going to a local dealership) and risk (if you buy a car in the US thinking you'd keep it for 5 years and something happens 6 months down the line and you need to sell it (lose your job, move away for job, change in lifestyle, etc), you will likely take a very significant hit on resale especially if there's no warranty - you might not care but people buying your 6 month old car with 5000 miles on it (i.e. almost new) might care a lot that it doesn't have a warranty)

I agree with you that there is a risk but honestly, I am not sure how you can consider this a bigger risk than buying any car. My car in canada out the door was atleast 45k CDN (actual dealer price I got was 47k but assuming I can haggle a bit more) while I actually paid 35k CDN.

As for resale, yes, you will get less than a cdn. car with warranty and the dials and electronics in celsius and kilometers instead of miles. But warranty is only three years. I plan to keep my car for way longer than 3 years. Also, I doubt you would be losing all the money you save on the purchase price (and the savings you make from not paying interest on $10k). If anything, Cdn. cars will lose more of their value as I can afford to sell my car for less.

Initially, I looked at getting a used subaru legacy gt and was getting quotes of 31-32k+taxes (same price I paid) for about 15,000KM (cdn) at cdn dealerships. these were often 2 years old so the warranty at most is 1.5 year left.

What am I really losing at equal money? If I had NO warranty coverage for my car, you could say I'm losing 1 year of warranty but I am gaining a brand new car, newer model with newer and better options (2007 is much better than 2005).

If you're worried that you might have to sell your car in 6 months, 1st, should you be buying a car? Perhaps you should be buying a cheaper car or a used car if you are that worried about it.

And as a previous poster suggested, if you are that worried about the reliability of the car, you should not be buying it. And if you're that worried about having to sell, you should not be buying a car either.

There are people on this forum who will drive 2 hours and/or wait in line for god knows how many hours to save $100. You have to consider how much money you save to the cost of the inconvenience but in my case, it wasn't even close.

You can make arguments about convenience but 10k savings...dude...
buy an echo for the 10k you saved and you can use that when your car is in the shop.;)

[michelb]

I agree that buying a Subaru in the US is a very smart thing to do because there's a huge savings and IMO bottom line is that the warranty is still valid in Canada (some dealerships might give you a hard time but in the end, I believe you'll find one that will do the repairs). However, buying a new Honda or another brand that won't extend the warranty into Canada (and I'd be very careful that it doesn't also terminate the warranty coverage in the US as well if you export from the US) even if you save $10k or $15k might not be as good of an idea (it really depends on the your personal situation).

I understand that it might be possible to go to the US for service but that's not a good option for many people - if you make $250-$500/day and need to take a day off work to bring the car in, that's a huge hit. Do that 3 times a year for 3 years and that's costing you $2250-$4500 just in lost wages alone. Also keep in mind that sometimes the repairs can't be done in one day - it's one thing if you just drive the car in the morning / drive back at night but if you have to stay in a hotel or if someone else has to drive you there and back or you have to rent a car, it's a bigger issue (the dealership may have loaners but it's very likely that you won't be allowed to drive the loaner to Canada). Add $2k of repairs and you're savings is almost gone (and $2k of repairs is nothing if you get a major problem). If it's paid, it's obviously not a big deal (even if you have to pay it up front and get reimbursed (e.g. pay SoC and then get SoA to refund), it's not a very big issue) but if you have to pay out of your pocket, it can add up very quickly.

As far as having to resell it, I realize that in all likelyhood, it's not going to be necessary but things happen sometimes in life and you have to keep in mind that it's a possibility. E.g. Someone buys an S2000 from the US (saving lots of money but no warranty in Canada). Three months later, this person finds out that he/she is going to have a baby (ies) and so they need to sell it because a) now need the money and/or b) now need to trade it for a minivan! Or a more likely, same person with the S2000 gets a high speeding tickets or minor accident and finds out that his insurance is going up from $1800/year to $4200/year and they just can't justify/afford that so have to sell the car (happened to my friend).

Like I said, I do think that buying in the US can be a great idea but not in all situations - I think if you are only saving $4-5k, I would question if it's really worth it (obviously depends on the value - if you save $5k on a $15k car, that's pretty significant, if you are saving $5k on a $65k car, I would suggest not bothering).

[dealzuser]

....buying a new Honda or another brand that won't extend the warranty into Canada (and I'd be very careful that it doesn't also terminate the warranty coverage in the US as well if you export from the US) even if you save $10k or $15k might not be as good of an idea (it really depends on the your personal situation).
.

I asked before and maybe it got lost in the flurry of posts on this thread.

Suppose you import a Honda and then buy manufacturer's extended warranty in Canada. Would that give you warranty in Canada then? It could be worthwhile if you can save ~$10k on the import car, then spend maybe ~$3k to buy the extended warranty.

I may get the extended warranty even if I did buy the car in Canada anyway because many costly items (i.e. Air Conditioning) are not covered under the warranty after 1-3 years / 15000 km. It would be sweeter if you can get it at the US import discount and just pay for the manufacturer's extended warranty to get it covered...

[michelb]

I asked before and maybe it got lost in the flurry of posts on this thread.

Suppose you import a Honda and then buy manufacturer's extended warranty in Canada. Would that give you warranty in Canada then? It could be worthwhile if you can save ~$10k on the import car, then spend maybe ~$3k to buy the extended warranty.

I may get the extended warranty even if I did buy the car in Canada anyway because many costly items (i.e. Air Conditioning) are not covered under the warranty after 1-3 years / 15000 km. It would be sweeter if you can get it at the US import discount and just pay for the manufacturer's extended warranty to get it covered...

I haven't looked into this personally but I suspect that if you mean buy a "manufacturers extended warranty" from Honda, you will not be able to except maybe the "extended warranty" they sell for used cars which has much less coverage (even that you might not be able to get; I believe that many manufacturers (e.g. Toyota), have warranties available for used / out of warranty cars but it's only available if you buy the used car from a dealership and they perform an inspection (e.g. Toyota Select Used Car (or something like that)). Most (all ?!?) manufacturers (and many 3rd party companies) require the vehicle to still be covered under the original warranty in order to buy their warranty (or at least their 'best' warranty). For an example, look at www.warrantydirect.com (don't know anything about them, never used them, just listing them as an example) - you'll notice that for their 'top' plans under eligibility it says 'still under full factory warranty'.

Also you'll have to check with the manufacturer as I believe some companies (e.g. BMW) will honor the original warranty in Canada but the extended warranty you can purchase on the new BMW through BMW dealerships is NOT valid in Canada (at least that's what I believe I read somewhere).

Good luck and don't hesitate to correct me if I'm wrong and let us know if you get more info on this.

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Update: I just noticed that under 'exclusions' on the WarrantyDirect website (http://warrantydirect.com/ineligible_vehicles.asp) they specifically list vehicles from Canada (US website) so you might have similar exclusions for extended warranty companies in Canada.

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Update 2: That wasn't too hard - WarrantyDirect also has a 'Canadian' branch (http://warrantydirect.ca/ineligible_vehicles.asp) and they specifically mention that:

The following vehicles are not eligible for Warranty Direct coverage:

...
* Grey market vehicles which are defined as those that were not manufactured to be sold in Canada and have no factory warranty. Vehicles purchased in U.S. often fall into this category.

So from this, Hondas would not qualify (unless you purchase, title the Honda in the US before you export it to Canada so that the warranty is still valid).

[southpaw4golf]

Here is a scenario, I personally don't know if it will work, but, let's say I work out a deal to purchase a newer vehicle from a dealer or private seller in the US. Then, arrange for the seller to deliver the car to me in Canada. Can that kind of deal work? and will there be any GST taxes or any other charges incurred by me relating to this transaction.

[michelb]

Here is a scenario, I personally don't know if it will work, but, let's say I work out a deal to purchase a newer vehicle from a dealer or private seller in the US. Then, arrange for the seller to deliver the car to me in Canada. Can that kind of deal work? and will there be any GST taxes or any other charges incurred by me relating to this transaction.

I don't see what you would gain from this. Someone still has to export it from the US and import it into Canada so the costs will be the same (not sure how they would figure out / charge the GST but I'm sure someone will have to pay it). It might be that a non-resident can't import it anyway so you might have no choice but doing that part.

[Prof]

Rebates on 2007 Subaru Legacy and Outbacks are now $1000 and $1500 respectively. My oh my.

[vsavka]

can some1 please tell me what Federal inspection consists of(what they look for)? I have not received the Form 2 yet but would like to get the car prepared now.

thanks.

[james-007]

can some1 please tell me what Federal inspection consists of(what they look for)? I have not received the Form 2 yet but would like to get the car prepared now.

thanks.

It's not much but here you go http://www.riv.ca/english/html/mod_inspect_requirements.html

[flaming homer]

subaru.com just updated the cash rebates for May (Western NY specifically, using zip code 14303). Drat, no change for Forester, still @ $1000 for 2.5 X Premium...

[ecgz88]

$2750 for Tribeca:cheesygri

[Monsieurmaggot]

With this current wave of US rebates, you can now get a fully equipped Subaru 3.0R LLBean for about $28,000 USD. That same car is Canada is over $20k more!!!!! I would ask who is keeping the manufacturer rebates in Canada and specifically, why they are not even being offered. The Canadian consumer is certainly getting hosed big time.

Unbelievable deals down south. With a .90 cent dollar there's really no reason not to make your move now.

2007 Tribecas for $2750 off INVOICE.

[shopper-X]

With this current wave of US rebates, you can now get a fully equipped Subaru 3.0R LLBean for about $28,000 USD. That same car is Canada is over $20k more!!!!! I would ask who is keeping the manufacturer rebates in Canada and specifically, why they are not even being offered. The Canadian consumer is certainly getting hosed big time.

Unbelievable deals down south. With a .90 cent dollar there's really no reason not to make your move now.

2007 Tribecas for $2750 off INVOICE.

I went to the Subaru Dealer yesterday and asked when the rebates on the 2007's will be coming out in Canada and the answer was..."Subaru in Canada does not do rebates, we're not Ford. Subaru will lower the lease and financing rates or give you no more then $1,000 in accessories, but never a rebate. Subaru's hold there value that way."

Uncle Sam, here I come...just for the car, nothing more.

[Anessa]

I went to the Subaru Dealer yesterday and asked when the rebates on the 2007's will be coming out in Canada and the answer was..."Subaru in Canada does not do rebates, we're not Ford. Subaru will lower the lease and financing rates or give you no more then $1,000 in accessories, but never a rebate. Subaru's hold there value that way."

Uncle Sam, here I come...just for the car, nothing more.

They think they're frickin Toyota now :lol:

[shopper-X]

They think they're frickin Toyota now :lol:

Even Toyota offers discounts and rebates that are sometimes greater then $1,000 off MSRP

[michelb]

With this current wave of US rebates, you can now get a fully equipped Subaru 3.0R LLBean for about $28,000 USD. That same car is Canada is over $20k more!!!!! I would ask who is keeping the manufacturer rebates in Canada and specifically, why they are not even being offered. The Canadian consumer is certainly getting hosed big time.

Unbelievable deals down south. With a .90 cent dollar there's really no reason not to make your move now.

2007 Tribecas for $2750 off INVOICE.

Out of curiosity, do they offer the rebates to Canadians or do you have to be a US resident to get them (I have no idea, I'm just curious so thought I'd ask in case anyone else has already looked into it)

[Monsieurmaggot]

Sure they do. My American money is as good as anyone's.

The rebates is discounted from the agreed price. In my case it was $750 US.

Interesting what shopper-x says, I was told exactly the same thing. They also mentioned that Subaru Canada caters to a completely demographic group in Canada (the uninformed buyer group).

Those who know, buy Subarus in the US.

It's an oxymoron: I buy from the lesser demographic US group, save $15-$17k which puts me in a higher financial demographic group in Canada. With the extra money in my pocket, I'm free to spend it at all kinds of Canadian retailers. That helps the Canadian economy on many scales.

Moral of the story, you buy a Subaru from the US, you save a whack of cash, you inadvertently support the Canadian economy. Remember at the end of it all, most of the profits from Subaru go back to Japan. I'm doing my share in keeping Canada strong by buying Subarus in the US. It makes so much sense now. Must be due to the fact that I'm in a different demographic group.

[GoiNGPoSTaL]

Spec. B's are really well priced in the US but you won't get one for less than $33-35k plus taxes. They sell themselves and don't even have rebates applicable to them.

On another note, after reaching a special agreement, SUBARU has started producing US Camrys in their Lafayette Indiana assembly plant. This isn't unusual to see cross-manufacturer assembly plants.

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070421/BUSINESS/704210423/1003

Yeah thanks, I was just reading car101's sight. No rebates on the STi or SpecB's but there is $1000 rebate on all other Legacy sedans so after conversion that is about a $6000 off! Now the question is, is there anyother way of find other rebates?

[xriddle]

Does anyone else think a list of NAFTA cars would help?

I know I can look at the VIN but that could be quite long. For example I'm in the market for a car/suv right now. I really wanted a Lexus IS 250 AWD but its not NAFTA so I'm now considering a 2006 Lexus RX 330 or Subaru Tribeca after someone in another post mentioning them as NAFTA cars. If I knew which cars/year combo were exempt from the 6.1 duty charge it would really help my research. Does such a list exist?

Thanks to everyone for all the great info so far.

[sonicDX]

I didn't hear much about buying Mazda in US .
Will you have a good deal ? will they honor the waranty in Canada ?

thanks !

[Anessa]

Does anyone else think a list of NAFTA cars would help?

I know I can look at the VIN but that could be quite long. For example I'm in the market for a car/suv right now. I really wanted a Lexus IS 250 AWD but its not NAFTA so I'm now considering a 2006 Lexus RX 330 or Subaru Tribeca after someone in another post mentioning them as NAFTA cars. If I knew which cars/year combo were exempt from the 6.1 duty charge it would really help my research. Does such a list exist?

Thanks to everyone for all the great info so far.

I'll try with a few off the top of my head

Acura: RDX, MDX, TL, CSX,
Mazda: Mazda 6
Honda: Accord, Civic, Pilot, CRV
Toyota: Matrix, Corolla, Camry, Tundra, Tacoma
Lexus: RX350
Mercedes: R-class, ML
BMW: X3, Z4?
Subaru: Legacy, Outback,

[shopper-X]

Does anyone else think a list of NAFTA cars would help?

I know I can look at the VIN but that could be quite long. For example I'm in the market for a car/suv right now. I really wanted a Lexus IS 250 AWD but its not NAFTA so I'm now considering a 2006 Lexus RX 330 or Subaru Tribeca after someone in another post mentioning them as NAFTA cars. If I knew which cars/year combo were exempt from the 6.1 duty charge it would really help my research. Does such a list exist?

Thanks to everyone for all the great info so far.

If you look at some car sites like MSN, you can go to the "Features & Specs" page at the bottom it will tell you the where the "Assembly" was.
Since the 2006 Lamborghini Murcielago (http://en.research.autos.sympatico.msn.ca/autos/vip/Spec_Glance.aspx?year=&make=Lamborghini&model=Murcielago&ts=73407112006) is assemblied in Italy you have to pay the 6.1% Duty. :cool:
Note: This is not always true as the Camary Hybrid (http://en.research.autos.sympatico.msn.ca/autos/vip/Spec_Glance.aspx?year=&make=Toyota&model=Camry+Hybrid&ts=73589022007) is listed as USA and we have seen posts here of both Japan and USA built units.

[flaming homer]

In my case, the 6.1% duty on the Subaru Forester (non-NAFTA, made in Japan) still makes it a great deal. It's only another $1500 added to the cost, it's not the end of the world.

I also found that the manufacturers web site I was interested in allowed you to search your local dealer's inventory, and the VIN numbers are part of the result. Good way for you to deal with the dealer on a specific on-hand vehicle.

[xriddle]

I'll try with a few off the top of my head

Acura: RDX, MDX, TL, CSX,
Mazda: Mazda 6
Honda: Accord, Civic, Pilot, CRV
Toyota: Matrix, Corolla, Camry, Tundra, Tacoma
Lexus: RX350
Mercedes: R-class, ML
BMW: X3, Z4?
Subaru: Legacy, Outback,



Acura: RDX, MDX, TL, CSX,
Mazda: Mazda 6
Honda: Accord, Civic, Pilot, CRV
Toyota: Matrix, Corolla, Camry, Tundra, Tacoma
Lexus: RX350 2006-RX330(added)
Mercedes: R-class, ML
BMW: X3, Z4?
Subaru: Legacy, Outback, Tribeca(Added)

[kaikara]

Acura: RDX, MDX, TL, CSX,
Mazda: Mazda 6
Honda: Accord, Civic, Pilot, CRV
Toyota: Matrix, Corolla, Camry, Tundra, Tacoma
Lexus: RX350 2006-RX330(added)
Mercedes: R-class, ML
BMW: X3, Z4?
Subaru: Legacy, Outback, Tribeca(Added)

You can add the Element to the Honda list.

[Tuppin]

Aren't there some Hyundai models as well....Sonata I think is built in the US now.

[xriddle]

Acura: RDX, MDX, TL, CSX,
Mazda: Mazda 6
Honda: Accord, Civic, Pilot, CRV, Element(Added)
Toyota: Matrix, Corolla, Camry, Tundra, Tacoma
Lexus: RX350 2006-07 RX330
Mercedes: R-class, ML
BMW: X3, Z4?
Subaru: Legacy, Outback, Tribeca
Hyundai: 2006+2007 Sonata (Added)

I don't think the X3 is NAFTA ...can someone confirm.

[michelb]

Acura: RDX, MDX, TL, CSX,
Mazda: Mazda 6
Honda: Accord, Civic, Pilot, CRV, Element(Added)
Toyota: Matrix, Corolla, Camry, Tundra, Tacoma
Lexus: RX350 2006-07 RX330
Mercedes: R-class, ML
BMW: X3, Z4?
Subaru: Legacy, Outback, Tribeca
Hyundai: 2006+2007 Sonata (Added)

I don't think the X3 is NAFTA ...can someone confirm.

Yeah the X3 is not built in NA but the X5 as is the Z4 is (maybe xriddle can update the list as it's nice to have it all in one spot).

You can also add Toyota Sienna, Hyundai Santa Fe

[xriddle]

Acura: RDX, MDX, TL, CSX,
Mazda: Mazda 6
Honda: Accord, Civic, Pilot, CRV, Element
Toyota: Matrix, Corolla, Camry, Tundra, Tacoma, Sienna
Lexus: RX350 2006-07 RX330
Mercedes: R-class, ML
BMW: 2002-07 X5, Z4
Subaru: Legacy, Outback, Tribeca
Hyundai: 2006+2007 Sonata, 2007 Santa Fe

[scouzi]

Does anyone else think a list of NAFTA cars would help?

I know I can look at the VIN but that could be quite long. For example I'm in the market for a car/suv right now. I really wanted a Lexus IS 250 AWD but its not NAFTA so I'm now considering a 2006 Lexus RX 330 or Subaru Tribeca after someone in another post mentioning them as NAFTA cars. If I knew which cars/year combo were exempt from the 6.1 duty charge it would really help my research. Does such a list exist?

Thanks to everyone for all the great info so far.

Subaru as upped the rebate to US $2750 on the 2007 Tribeca.

EDIT: Sorry for the repost!

[superwell]

is there a specific site that one can search for rebates on cars...all brands...not just subaru's.

[kuba]

That sucks, Honda won't honor a car purchased States side and then brought into Canada. Unless it's a permanent residential move.

[superwell]

is there a specific site that one can search for rebates on cars...all brands...not just subaru's.

Never mind that i found this info and edmunds.com.

BUT my question is when i look at the cash rebates...like for example the tribeca for $2750 is also say's that you only qualify for it if you finance your car through suburu

[ruvz]

Acura: RDX, MDX, TL, CSX,
Mazda: Mazda 6
Honda: Accord, Civic, Pilot, CRV
Toyota: Matrix, Corolla, Camry, Tundra, Tacoma
Lexus: RX350 2006-RX330(added)
Mercedes: R-class, ML
BMW: X3, Z4?
Subaru: Legacy, Outback, Tribeca(Added)

Just a note that early 2004 and even some 2005 RX330's were built in Japan...the Canadian models will have their VINs start with a 2xxx

[develop]

Acura: RDX, MDX, TL, CSX,
Mazda: Mazda 6
Honda: Accord, Civic, Pilot, CRV, Element
Toyota: Matrix, Corolla, Camry, Tundra, Tacoma, Sienna
Lexus: RX350 2006-07 RX330
Mercedes: R-class, ML
BMW: 2002-07 X5, Z4
Subaru: Legacy, Outback, Tribeca
Hyundai: 2006+2007 Sonata, 2007 Santa Fe

You can add Toyota Sequoia in your list.
Anybody owns a Tribeca? How do you like it.

[sonicDX]

Hi, guys :
If I buy a used car privately , how can I find out if he paid all the the loan and there is no financial problem with it ?
thanks !

[yyz2hkg]

Hi, guys :
If I buy a used car privately , how can I find out if he paid all the the loan and there is no financial problem with it ?
thanks !

CarFax

[inspire]

^ Good luck trying to export a Mercedes less than 15 yrs old out of the US. Essentially, you need to have the blessing of MB-USA for it to leave the country. Some say it's next to impossible unless you already own one and have to move. Private sale? See how you're going to get any "warranty" work done ... and I would highly recommend you keep a warranty with any MB product! (From what I have heard, even if the car is still under warranty in the US ... you import it ... it's got Canadian registration ... bring it back to the US for warranty work... you're SOL unless you have aforementioned blessing from MB-USA)

My brother had to sign papers when he bought his C32 AMG that that he wouldn't export his for 18 months out of Canada, even if he did move for legitimate reasons!!!

[Monsieurmaggot]

Never mind that i found this info and edmunds.com.

BUT my question is when i look at the cash rebates...like for example the tribeca for $2750 is also say's that you only qualify for it if you finance your car through suburu

That's wrong. If you buy cash (which is really how a Canadian deal goes through) you qualify for the full rebate. Financing and rebates don't go hand-in-hand. Financing gets you a lower rate but you don't qualify for a full rebate. Sometimes US dealers sell a car with a lower finance rate and a reduced rebate.

Since you are Canadian, take as much of a rebate that you can and apply that against your loan.

[Tuppin]

You can add Toyota Sequoia in your list.
Anybody owns a Tribeca? How do you like it.


I have a Tribeca and my father does as well. We both love them. The more you drive them the more you like them. We took ours for a trip to Florida...the GPS was a great option to have. Nice to have a unique vehicle as well.

[shopper-X]

^ Good luck trying to export a Mercedes less than 15 yrs old out of the US. Essentially, you need to have the blessing of MB-USA for it to leave the country. Some say it's next to impossible unless you already own one and have to move. Private sale? See how you're going to get any "warranty" work done ... and I would highly recommend you keep a warranty with any MB product! (From what I have heard, even if the car is still under warranty in the US ... you import it ... it's got Canadian registration ... bring it back to the US for warranty work... you're SOL unless you have aforementioned blessing from MB-USA)

My brother had to sign papers when he bought his C32 AMG that that he wouldn't export his for 18 months out of Canada, even if he did move for legitimate reasons!!!

From what I read of the Admissibility list is that you have to contact Mercedes-Benz CANADA not USA. I see that you have to contact MB USA for the recall letter, but it's MB Canada that you have to deal with. If MB Canada say yes, it should no problem *knock on wood* to get the recall letter from MB USA.


Please contact Mercedes-Benz Canada
Inc. to determine if the vehicle you wish to
import is admissible and the required
safety certification work can be carried
out.
Prior to reviewing your request for a letter
of admissibility, the following information
must be provided:
- Model
- Model Year
- 17 digit VIN (Vehicle Identification
Number)
Please send the above information to
Mercedes-Benz Canada Inc. Customer
Relations, 98 Vanderhoof Ave, Toronto,
Ontario M4G 4C9, or via fax at
416- 425-6370.
For recall letter please call Mercedes-
Benz in the U.S.A at 1-800-367-6372.
An Official letter of admissibility from
Mercedes-Benz Canada Inc. must be
presented to a CBSA officer at time of
importation.

[develop]

I have a Tribeca and my father does as well. We both love them. The more you drive them the more you like them. We took ours for a trip to Florida...the GPS was a great option to have. Nice to have a unique vehicle as well.

That is true, most of other SUVs look similar, only Tribeca is unique.
Read some reviews, lots of people complained the fuel efficient and less power, it has a 3.0L engine now, not sure need to wait the 2008 model which come with a 3.6L engine.
How is the quality build compare to other Japaness cars?

[johnsa]

located in Dallas..talk about savings..hope this link works

http://cgi.ebay.ca/Subaru-Legacy-Spec-B-turbo-2007-Legacy-GT-Spec-B-Buy-for-BELOW-INVOICE_W0QQitemZ200105398941QQihZ010QQcategoryZ31 869QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Monsieurmaggot]

This thread is approaching a quarter of a million reads.

Tack on 1800+ replies.

It's great to see how many people have actually purchased cars in the US.

Maybe we should start a list.

RFDers who I know bought in the US and are part of the RFD super savers club.

Monsieurmaggot - Subaru
Tuppin - ?
yyz2hkg - Subaru
Flaming_homer - Subaru

Anyone else want to add to the list?

Then there's the list started by xriddle indicating what cars have been confirmed as NAFTA vehicles:

Acura: RDX, MDX, TL, CSX,
Mazda: Mazda 6, Tribute
Honda: Accord, Civic, Pilot, CRV, Element
Toyota: Matrix, Corolla, Camry, Tundra, Tacoma, Sienna, Sequoia
Lexus: RX350 2006-07 RX330
Mercedes: R-class, ML
Mitsubishi: Galant, Eclipse, Eclipse Spyder, Raider, Endeavor
BMW: 2002-07 X5, Z4
Saab:9-7x
Subaru: Legacy, Outback, Tribeca
Suzuki: XL7
Hyundai: 2006+2007 Sonata, 2007 Santa Fe
Nissan: Altima, Armada, Titan

[shopper-X]

For those interested in Nissan or Infiniti's, I spoke with my service manager about importing one and having the warranty work done. He mentioned that anyone wanting one should read the warranty booklet first. The warranty transfer depends on Model and year. Nissan has been wierd about the wording from year to year, model to model.
I did not get in to details but, he mentioned the Murano and a customer that bought one and the warranty was not valid. However the Murano model year before that and the one after that one are.

[algrande]

This thread is approaching a quarter of a million reads.

Tack on 1800+ replies.

It's great to see how many people have actually purchased cars in the US.

Maybe we should start a list.

RFDers who I know bought in the US and are part of the RFD super savers club.

Monsieurmaggot - Subaru
Tuppin - ?
yyz2hkg - Subaru
Flaming_homer - Subaru

Algrande- Subaru Outback XT, saved almost $15K

Anyone else want to add to the list?

Then there's the list started by xriddle indicating what cars have been confirmed as NAFTA vehicles:

Acura: RDX, MDX, TL, CSX,
Mazda: Mazda 6, Tribute
Honda: Accord, Civic, Pilot, CRV, Element
Toyota: Matrix, Corolla, Camry, Tundra, Tacoma, Sienna, Sequoia
Lexus: RX350 2006-07 RX330
Mercedes: R-class, ML
Mitsubishi: Galant, Eclipse, Eclipse Spyder, Raider, Endeavor
BMW: 2002-07 X5, Z4
Saab:9-7x
Subaru: Legacy, Outback, Tribeca
Suzuki: XL7
Hyundai: 2006+2007 Sonata, 2007 Santa Fe
Nissan: Altima, Armada, Titan


Algrande-Subaru Outback XT, saved almost $15,000

[ecgz88]

This thread is approaching a quarter of a million reads.

Tack on 1800+ replies.

It's great to see how many people have actually purchased cars in the US.

Maybe we should start a list.

RFDers who I know bought in the US and are part of the RFD super savers club.

Monsieurmaggot - Subaru
Tuppin - ?
yyz2hkg - Subaru
Flaming_homer - Subaru

Anyone else want to add to the list?

Then there's the list started by xriddle indicating what cars have been confirmed as NAFTA vehicles:

Acura: RDX, MDX, TL, CSX,
Mazda: Mazda 6, Tribute
Honda: Accord, Civic, Pilot, CRV, Element
Toyota: Matrix, Corolla, Camry, Tundra, Tacoma, Sienna, Sequoia
Lexus: RX350 2006-07 RX330
Mercedes: R-class, ML
Mitsubishi: Galant, Eclipse, Eclipse Spyder, Raider, Endeavor
BMW: 2002-07 X5, Z4
Saab:9-7x
Subaru: Legacy, Outback, Tribeca
Suzuki: XL7
Hyundai: 2006+2007 Sonata, 2007 Santa Fe
Nissan: Altima, Armada, Titan

Honda CRV is made in Japan:twisted:

[michelb]

This thread is approaching a quarter of a million reads.

Tack on 1800+ replies.

It's great to see how many people have actually purchased cars in the US.

Maybe we should start a list.

RFDers who I know bought in the US and are part of the RFD super savers club.

Monsieurmaggot - Subaru
Tuppin - ?
yyz2hkg - Subaru
Flaming_homer - Subaru

Anyone else want to add to the list?

Then there's the list started by xriddle indicating what cars have been confirmed as NAFTA vehicles:

Acura: RDX, MDX, TL, CSX,
Mazda: Mazda 6, Tribute
Honda: Accord, Civic, Pilot, CRV, Element
Toyota: Matrix, Corolla, Camry, Tundra, Tacoma, Sienna, Sequoia
Lexus: RX350 2006-07 RX330
Mercedes: R-class, ML
Mitsubishi: Galant, Eclipse, Eclipse Spyder, Raider, Endeavor
BMW: 2002-07 X5, Z4
Saab:9-7x
Subaru: Legacy, Outback, Tribeca
Suzuki: XL7
Hyundai: 2006+2007 Sonata, 2007 Santa Fe
Nissan: Altima, Armada, Titan

Probably one of the largest vehicles here :) - Tiffin Allegro Bay 37' motorhome for me.

[perfchris]

Some CR-Vs are made in the USA and some in Japan. Check autotrader.com and look up specific dealers near Ohio, they have 5J VINs which represents CR-Vs made in East Liberty, Ohio !

[Monsieurmaggot]

Here is the current list of successful RFD importers (part of the elite RFD super savers club):

Monsieurmaggot - Subaru 3.0R Outback LLBean
Tuppin - ?
yyz2hkg - Subaru
Flaming_homer - Subaru Tribeca
Tiffin - Allegro Bay 37' motorhome
Algrande - Subaru Outback XT

Anyone else want to add to the list? I'm sure there are more of you out there.

Then there's the list started by xriddle indicating what cars have been confirmed as NAFTA vehicles:

Acura: RDX, MDX, TL, CSX,
Mazda: Mazda 6, Tribute
Honda: Accord, Civic, Pilot, CRV, Element
Toyota: Matrix, Corolla, Camry, Tundra, Tacoma, Sienna, Sequoia
Lexus: RX350 2006-07 RX330
Mercedes: R-class, ML
Mitsubishi: Galant, Eclipse, Eclipse Spyder, Raider, Endeavor
BMW: 2002-07 X5, Z4
Saab:9-7x
Subaru: Legacy, Outback, Tribeca
Suzuki: XL7
Hyundai: 2006+2007 Sonata, 2007 Santa Fe
Nissan: Altima, Armada, Titan

This list gets bigger

[40Niner]

For those interested in Nissan or Infiniti's, I spoke with my service manager about importing one and having the warranty work done. He mentioned that anyone wanting one should read the warranty booklet first. The warranty transfer depends on Model and year. Nissan has been wierd about the wording from year to year, model to model.
I did not get in to details but, he mentioned the Murano and a customer that bought one and the warranty was not valid. However the Murano model year before that and the one after that one are.

I checked with my Nissan owner's forum and got these replies. the second reply below is from a member that works for a Nissan service dept.

"Nissan sent a memo to their dealers last year stating that Nissan Canada would not cover any warrenty issues on cars purcachsed in the US and brought into Canada. The cost of warrenty is built into the price of the car and it would be Nissan US collecting the $ not Nissan Canada. You would have to go across the boarder for any warrenty issues that may occur"

"^^ this is true, we stopped doing warrenty repairs on US vehicles. For them to receive warrenty worked covered by nissan it must be taken to the US. More or less on 350z's and there problematic 6spd tranny's."

[kid_icarus]

Without reading through the 120 pages of this forum i was hoping to ask if there is there a summary post that basically lists step-by-step the instructions required to go through with this type of purchase?

I see that there is a list as well of NAFTA cars floating around.
Is there also a summary list of all cars where the warranty will also be covered in Canada?

THE OP has posted the forms and paperwork link.

I'm hoping there's a link that basically lists what the best way to purchase this is. Basically a "timeline" and "checklist" of things to do and remember.

[shopper-X]

I checked with my Nissan owner's forum and got these replies. the second reply below is from a member that works for a Nissan service dept.

"Nissan sent a memo to their dealers last year stating that Nissan Canada would not cover any warrenty issues on cars purcachsed in the US and brought into Canada. The cost of warrenty is built into the price of the car and it would be Nissan US collecting the $ not Nissan Canada. You would have to go across the boarder for any warrenty issues that may occur"

"^^ this is true, we stopped doing warrenty repairs on US vehicles. For them to receive warrenty worked covered by nissan it must be taken to the US. More or less on 350z's and there problematic 6spd tranny's."

Wow, thats nuts.

[shopper-X]

Without reading through the 120 pages of this forum i was hoping to ask if there is there a summary post that basically lists step-by-step the instructions required to go through with this type of purchase?

I see that there is a list as well of NAFTA cars floating around.
Is there also a summary list of all cars where the warranty will also be covered in Canada?

THE OP has posted the forms and paperwork link.

I'm hoping there's a link that basically lists what the best way to purchase this is. Basically a "timeline" and "checklist" of things to do and remember.

I saw a link on someones sig, forget who.

[john_rt]

Without reading through the 120 pages of this forum i was hoping to ask if there is there a summary post that basically lists step-by-step the instructions required to go through with this type of purchase?

I see that there is a list as well of NAFTA cars floating around.
Is there also a summary list of all cars where the warranty will also be covered in Canada?

THE OP has posted the forms and paperwork link.

I'm hoping there's a link that basically lists what the best way to purchase this is. Basically a "timeline" and "checklist" of things to do and remember.

No one (that i have seen) has put together all the cars that have warranty and don't have warranty probably because it changes all the time and its always dependent on the dealer.

The official link for instructions on how to download is: www.riv.ca

[michelb]

No one (that i have seen) has put together all the cars that have warranty and don't have warranty probably because it changes all the time and its always dependent on the dealer.

The official link for instructions on how to download is: www.riv.ca

Search the forum (might not have been in this thread though) as I believe someone had a descent list. Whatever you end up choosing, as suggested by the prior post, I would double check with the manufacturer and try to get something in writing as I believe this is something that can change (e.g there was rumors recently that Porsche would stop honoring warranties on US cars imported into Canada) (I think it's more a manufacturer issue than a dealer issue, although it's possible that dealers will force you to pay the repairs upfront and then get refunded by the US manufacturer).

[windsorguy2007]

Has anyone bought a toyota camry from the US...Michigan dealers charge the canadian customers with the michigan sales tax. This is true for both new and used vehicles. I was wondering if other states had the same policies? Can anyone share their experience and post the dealership they bought their vehicle from. Anyone imported a Nissan lately?

[shopper-X]

Without reading through the 120 pages of this forum i was hoping to ask if there is there a summary post that basically lists step-by-step the instructions required to go through with this type of purchase?

I see that there is a list as well of NAFTA cars floating around.
Is there also a summary list of all cars where the warranty will also be covered in Canada?

THE OP has posted the forms and paperwork link.

I'm hoping there's a link that basically lists what the best way to purchase this is. Basically a "timeline" and "checklist" of things to do and remember.

I knew I saw it somewhere, check the signature of "canadianguy_001"
Import Car To Canada! » How to Import a Car, Truck, Van, Motorcycle or Passenger Vehicle into Canada (http://www.importcartocanada.info/)
(http://www.importcartocanada.info/)

[golden]

:mad: I was thinking of importing a G35.... no warranty breaks the deal.

[Spud72]

Some CR-Vs are made in the USA and some in Japan. Check autotrader.com and look up specific dealers near Ohio, they have 5J VINs which represents CR-Vs made in East Liberty, Ohio !
Only the first launch CRVs were made in Japan. Production for North American CRVs have fully moved to East Liberty since the fall of 06.

[perfchris]

Only the first launch CRVs were made in Japan. Production for North American CRVs have fully moved to East Liberty since the fall of 06.

Some CR-Vs are still made in Japan. All the west coast dealers are getting them from Japan and east coast dealers, Ohio.

Canada is getting US made CR-Vs.

Soon they will switch to Mexico production.

[shopper-X]

Some CR-Vs are still made in Japan. All the west coast dealers are getting them from Japan and east coast dealers, Ohio.

Canada is getting US made CR-Vs.

Soon they will switch to Mexico production.

As per Forbes and ALG (Automotive Leasing Guide) the CR-V has the second best Resale value only behind the BMW 330Ci convertible and ahead of the Lexus GX SUV.
Forbes Link (http://www.forbes.com/vehicles/2006/11/01/resale-cars-value-forbeslife-vehicles-cx_dl_1102value.html)
If they change the production to Mexico, then the resale value will for sure drop.

You can also check Projected Residual Values as Cars.com (http://www.cars.com/go/alg/index.jsp) (linked to ALG) http://www.cars.com/go/alg/index.jsp

[Prof]

Not sure about the 2007 Sonata, but the 2006 4cyl was made in Korea.

[evozero]

just did a little comparison to see how much money i would save.

2007 Honda Element SC 2wd - $29,990 base price on honda.ca
2007 Honda Element SC 2wd - $22,265 USD (=$25,001cdn) base price on honda.com

so i'd save about $5000, which isn't bad. obviously there would be some other work involved, and you would have to pay tax.

i bet our higher original sale price has ALOT to do with the inflated values that used cars seem to carry in this country. however, this still goes against my #1 rule which is don't buy a new car. good savings for people who were gonna shell out the money anyways.

[fruzmatik]

Hey everyone, been busy enjoying the new car.
But just wanted to confirm to everyone that i smoothly completed the entire import, registration and licensing process in a single day. Wired cash for the vehicle on monday, dealer faxed title to customs, I personally called SOA to request recall letter to be faxed to the dealer, and arranged for pickup on Thursday. Also arranged for a insurance binder from my insurance agent and sent this to dealer.

Left Toronto at 7:30AM arrived in Buffalo 10:45AM.

The longest part of the process was signing the paperwork at the dealership and going over the maintenance plans that i didnt want.

US Export took 2 minutes
Canadian Import took 5 minutes
RIV office took 15 minutes (10 minutes to find the damn place its on the 5th floor).
Canadian tire took 15 minutes (but the first Ctire's federal inspector was off that day :S). The stupid guys at Ctire tried to convince me i needed a provincial emissions and safety test done for an additional $130 but i refused flat out knowing better.

MTO asked for all my paperwork, i paid PST, and $94 for plates/registration.
I was out of the MTO by 6pm and they dont close till 9 :-).

Plenty of time to spare. Just a heads up for anyone whose impatient and does not like dealing. Ended up paying $38,500 CDN on the road (RBC purchase rate). The same vehicles MSRP in Canada is about $56,000.

Big Savings!

Thanks Guys Add me to the RFD Super Savings CLUB. :D

[shopper-X]

Plenty of time to spare. Just a heads up for anyone whose impatient and does not like dealing. Ended up paying $38,500 CDN on the road (RBC purchase rate). The same vehicles MSRP in Canada is about $56,000.

Big Savings!

Thanks Guys Add me to the RFD Super Savings CLUB. :D

Thats a great deal.
Did RBC give you a car loan to purchase from a US Dealer? or is it a Line of Credit?

[kid_icarus]

I knew I saw it somewhere, check the signature of "canadianguy_001"
Import Car To Canada! » How to Import a Car, Truck, Van, Motorcycle or Passenger Vehicle into Canada (http://www.importcartocanada.info/)
(http://www.importcartocanada.info/)

thanks! very helpful and step by step lol.
now i wish there were diagrams on how to deal with dealerships when i'm down there lol

and getting temp plates and license and etc

[windsorguy2007]

Has anyone bought a toyota camry from the US...Michigan dealers charge the canadian customers with the michigan sales tax. This is true for both new and used vehicles. I was wondering if other states had the same policies? Can anyone share their experience and post the dealership they bought their vehicle from. Anyone imported a Nissan lately?

anyone?????

[johnsa]

My advice is find another state, as most do not have to collect tax unless you reside in the state...

[windsorguy2007]

i am a canadian resident and live close to michigan....wondering if anyone has bought a camry from US...if yes, which state without paying state taxes.

[superwell]

i am a canadian resident and live close to michigan....wondering if anyone has bought a camry from US...if yes, which state without paying state taxes.

As far as I know after reading about 1000 posts in this thread, if your not a resident of a state you don't pay the tax. If they are trying to make you pay tell the government on them as they are trying to pocket some cash.

[slothy@cutey]

I hate to be one of those people who may be asking a question that was already answered, but after skimming through 50 pages of this thread (whew! it's a long one!)... there's some contradicting posts regarding Honda. Some say Honda dealers in Canada WILL honour the warranty (under certain conditions), or will not honour it at all.

Is it reasonable to ask someone who's followed most or all of this thread from inception to provide a consensus of opinion on:

1) Is there a cost advantage to buying a Honda (say a 2007 CRV EX-L) from the US? (Has someone here done this? What is the expected savings versus buying in Canada?)

2) If you bring it into Canada (and are not a resident or on business in the US), will Honda canada - dealers honour the warranty service?

I'm a bit confused with the Nafta car list and if certain VIN #'s qualify while others do not... any help would really be appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

[st7860]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/search

[develop]

just did a little comparison to see how much money i would save.

2007 Honda Element SC 2wd - $29,990 base price on honda.ca
2007 Honda Element SC 2wd - $22,265 USD (=$25,001cdn) base price on honda.com

so i'd save about $5000, which isn't bad. obviously there would be some other work involved, and you would have to pay tax.

i bet our higher original sale price has ALOT to do with the inflated values that used cars seem to carry in this country. however, this still goes against my #1 rule which is don't buy a new car. good savings for people who were gonna shell out the money anyways.

I am checking the Toyota 4 runner now.

Buy in Canada :2007 4Runner SR5 V6 $46,877CAD (based on toyota.ca)

Buy in US: 2007 4Runner SR5 V6 $35,000CAD(based on invoice price from Costco auto programm, plus 6.1% duty, exchange rate 1.1)

Huge savings, just now too sure about the difference between the 2 versions,
and also what modifications need to be done (like daylight running light).

[michelb]

I am checking the Toyota 4 runner now.

Buy in Canada :2007 4Runner SR5 V6 $46,877CAD (based on toyota.ca)

Buy in US: 2007 4Runner SR5 V6 $35,000CAD(based on invoice price from Costco auto programm, plus 6.1% duty, exchange rate 1.1)

Huge savings, just now too sure about the difference between the 2 versions,
and also what modifications need to be done (like daylight running light).

Make sure you're comparing the same prices though; the price from Toyota.ca problably includes PST & GST + AC tax - Costco price probably doesn't (let us know if you included that). Add the taxes to the Costco price and you're about at $40k (still very good savings but not $12k).

As far as the changes, if it's like other Toyotas, you might not really have to do anything (e.g. Siennas require no mods; DRL is already there and just needs to be activated).

[develop]

Make sure you're comparing the same prices though; the price from Toyota.ca problably includes PST & GST + AC tax - Costco price probably doesn't (let us know if you included that). Add the taxes to the Costco price and you're about at $40k (still very good savings but not $12k).

As far as the changes, if it's like other Toyotas, you might not really have to do anything (e.g. Siennas require no mods; DRL is already there and just needs to be activated).


These are the numbers buying 2007 4Runner sr5 in US:
$27,400 us dollors (Costco invoice) *1.061*1.1*1.13(taxes)=$34,560 CAD

Add RIV and other small fees, so it is be around $35,000CAD.

[michelb]

These are the numbers buying 2007 4Runner sr5 in US:
$27,400 us dollors (Costco invoice) *1.061*1.1*1.13(taxes)=$34,560 CAD

Add RIV and other small fees, so it is be around $35,000CAD.

Thanks for the update - that's a great price! (from the Toyota.com site, it came up to about $40k CND after duty, exchange and taxes).

That's certainly one of the other great benefits of buying in this US; buyers seem to have a lot more negotiating power (as opposed to Toyota dealerships in Canada which don't seem to move off MSRP).

[bae146]

Not sure about the 2007 Sonata, but the 2006 4cyl was made in Korea.

V6 Sonata is made in the USA Great car bye the way. Could use better seats. My wife hardly ever lets me have the car sh likes it so much.

[scouzi]

Hey everyone, been busy enjoying the new car.
But just wanted to confirm to everyone that i smoothly completed the entire import, registration and licensing process in a single day. Wired cash for the vehicle on monday, dealer faxed title to customs, I personally called SOA to request recall letter to be faxed to the dealer, and arranged for pickup on Thursday. Also arranged for a insurance binder from my insurance agent and sent this to dealer.

Left Toronto at 7:30AM arrived in Buffalo 10:45AM.

The longest part of the process was signing the paperwork at the dealership and going over the maintenance plans that i didnt want.

US Export took 2 minutes
Canadian Import took 5 minutes
RIV office took 15 minutes (10 minutes to find the damn place its on the 5th floor).
Canadian tire took 15 minutes (but the first Ctire's federal inspector was off that day :S). The stupid guys at Ctire tried to convince me i needed a provincial emissions and safety test done for an additional $130 but i refused flat out knowing better.

MTO asked for all my paperwork, i paid PST, and $94 for plates/registration.
I was out of the MTO by 6pm and they dont close till 9 :-).

Plenty of time to spare. Just a heads up for anyone whose impatient and does not like dealing. Ended up paying $38,500 CDN on the road (RBC purchase rate). The same vehicles MSRP in Canada is about $56,000.

Big Savings!

Thanks Guys Add me to the RFD Super Savings CLUB. :D

Was that 38500 with taxes?

[Monsieurmaggot]

Here is the current list of successful RFD importers (part of the elite RFD super savers club):

Monsieurmaggot - Subaru 3.0R Outback LLBean
Tuppin - ?
yyz2hkg - Subaru
Flaming_homer - Subaru Tribeca
Tiffin - Allegro Bay 37' motorhome
Algrande - Subaru Outback XT
Fruzmatik - Subaru Tribeca
Deemo - 2005 BMW M3

Anyone else want to add to the list? I'm sure there are more of you out there.

Then there's the list started by xriddle indicating what cars have been confirmed as NAFTA vehicles:

Acura: RDX, MDX, TL, CSX,
Mazda: Mazda 6, Tribute
Honda: Accord, Civic, Pilot, CRV, Element
Toyota: Matrix, Corolla, Camry, Tundra, Tacoma, Sienna, Sequoia
Lexus: RX350 2006-07 RX330
Mercedes: R-class, ML
Mitsubishi: Galant, Eclipse, Eclipse Spyder, Raider, Endeavor
BMW: 2002-07 X5, Z4
Saab:9-7x
Subaru: Legacy, Outback, Tribeca
Suzuki: XL7
Hyundai: 2006+2007 Sonata, 2007 Santa Fe
Nissan: Altima, Armada, Titan


Okay there has to be more than just successful Subaru importers

[Mongo]

Monsieurmaggot,you can add me to the list also:
2007 Toyota Tacoma Doublecab 4X4 TRD Sport.
Here is the current list of successful RFD importers (part of the elite RFD super savers club):

Monsieurmaggot - Subaru 3.0R Outback LLBean
Tuppin - ?
yyz2hkg - Subaru
Flaming_homer - Subaru Tribeca
Tiffin - Allegro Bay 37' motorhome
Algrande - Subaru Outback XT
Fruzmatik - Subaru Tribeca
Deemo - 2005 BMW M3

Anyone else want to add to the list? I'm sure there are more of you out there.

Then there's the list started by xriddle indicating what cars have been confirmed as NAFTA vehicles:

Acura: RDX, MDX, TL, CSX,
Mazda: Mazda 6, Tribute
Honda: Accord, Civic, Pilot, CRV, Element
Toyota: Matrix, Corolla, Camry, Tundra, Tacoma, Sienna, Sequoia
Lexus: RX350 2006-07 RX330
Mercedes: R-class, ML
Mitsubishi: Galant, Eclipse, Eclipse Spyder, Raider, Endeavor
BMW: 2002-07 X5, Z4
Saab:9-7x
Subaru: Legacy, Outback, Tribeca
Suzuki: XL7
Hyundai: 2006+2007 Sonata, 2007 Santa Fe
Nissan: Altima, Armada, Titan


Okay there has to be more than just successful Subaru importers

[yyz2hkg]

Here is the current list of successful RFD importers (part of the elite RFD super savers club):

Monsieurmaggot - Subaru 3.0R Outback LLBean
Tuppin - ?
yyz2hkg - Subaru
Flaming_homer - Subaru Tribeca
Tiffin - Allegro Bay 37' motorhome
Algrande - Subaru Outback XT
Fruzmatik - Subaru Tribeca
Deemo - 2005 BMW M3

Anyone else want to add to the list? I'm sure there are more of you out there.

Then there's the list started by xriddle indicating what cars have been confirmed as NAFTA vehicles:

Acura: RDX, MDX, TL, CSX,
Mazda: Mazda 6, Tribute
Honda: Accord, Civic, Pilot, CRV, Element
Toyota: Matrix, Corolla, Camry, Tundra, Tacoma, Sienna, Sequoia
Lexus: RX350 2006-07 RX330
Mercedes: R-class, ML
Mitsubishi: Galant, Eclipse, Eclipse Spyder, Raider, Endeavor
BMW: 2002-07 X5, Z4
Saab:9-7x
Subaru: Legacy, Outback, Tribeca
Suzuki: XL7
Hyundai: 2006+2007 Sonata, 2007 Santa Fe
Nissan: Altima, Armada, Titan


Okay there has to be more than just successful Subaru importers

Tuppin IIRC was a Subaru Tribeca. I spoke to him via PM previously.

[MMMM]

Monsieurmaggot,you can add me to the list also:

mmmm Honda Element

[joedeals]

I've been crunching numbers on a 2007 Nissan Altima Hybrid, which has gotten great reviews compared with the Camry Hybrid and Accord Hybrid. Here are the numbers I came up with:

2007 Nissan Altima Hybrid (Carcostcanada.com)
$34,373.00 MSRP
$2,062.38 GST
$2,749.84 PST (Ontario)

$39,185.22 TOTAL

There are also two rebates available right now for Hybrid vehicles:

Federal ($1500)
http://www.tc.gc.ca/programs/environment/ecotransport/ecoauto.htm
Ontario ($2000)
http://www.fin.gov.on.ca/english/tax/guides/rst/pdf/702.pdf

So the toal cost in Ontario for this car would be: $35,685.22 if you were to pay the MSRP.

I've done some research on this car in the United States, and according to Edmunds.com, most people are paying MSRP on this car. (TMV) Since it is built in the United States, it would not be subject to the 6.1% import tax.

$24,990.00 US MSRP Price
$27738.90 US rate at Exchange
$1,664.33 GST
$2,219.11 PST
$400.00 Riv Fee + gas + misc

$32,022.35 TOTAL

I'm not positive and will have to double check, but I believe that an imported car would still be eligible for the $3500 worth of rebates. If so it would be about $7000 less than buying in Canada. Wow! If you only save $3500 that wouldn't be quite as hot.

One concern I have about buying a Hybrid is that these cars really need to be serviced at a dealer, and it would get complicated to buy an extended warranty in the US.

Can anyone recommend a good dealer in the New York that sells to Canadians?

[john_rt]

You can put me down for a 2007 Subaru Legacy GT,

also, I bought my subaru from NorthTown Subaru but NorthTown also has a few other dealerships and I am pretty sure I saw a Nissan one there so you can check them out, they're about 20 minutes across the border from Niagara Falls,
If anyone wants a dealer for Subaru, PM and I will give you my guys info,

[Talon88]

:::

joedeals,

Since your choice is a Hybrid vehicles, be careful most of the
Hybrid Battary need to replace after 3-4 years. The cost
is about $4000-8000. So, Please make sure the warranty
transfer is OK at Canada....!

:::


I've been crunching numbers on a 2007 Nissan Altima Hybrid,

[st7860]

http://hybridcars.about.com/od/hybridcarfaq/f/batterycost.htm

In November of 2005, when asked about the price of a new Prius battery, Toyota spokeswoman Mona Richard said, "The service parts price for a new battery is $3000, but we have not had to sell a battery yet."

[joedeals]

Heh, thanks for the tip.. but it appears Nissan is the ONLY cars they don't sell :(

http://www.northtownauto.com/

You can put me down for a 2007 Subaru Legacy GT,

also, I bought my subaru from NorthTown Subaru but NorthTown also has a few other dealerships and I am pretty sure I saw a Nissan one there so you can check them out, they're about 20 minutes across the border from Niagara Falls,
If anyone wants a dealer for Subaru, PM and I will give you my guys info,

[sonicDX]

Hi, guys:
Buying new or buying used from dealer is ok .
They can take care of documents.

What about buying private ?
How does the seller provide "Certificate of Title" ?
Is it the same as the ownership ?
It it the same as the pink ? ( they just give you the pink and signed it on back , the car is yours ? )
Then , FAX both sides to the custom 72 hours before export , is that ture ?

thanks !

[flaming homer]

$400.00 Riv Fee + gas + misc
I'm looking at:

$209 RIV fee
$23 Greyhound bus ticket

[michelb]

I'm looking at:

$209 RIV fee
$23 Greyhound bus ticket

I think there's also $100 AC tax (can you even buy a car without AC now)? Depending on the manufacturer, you may also have to pay to get the Recall Clearance Letter (GM charges $25).

That being said, all these fees are pretty trivial.

[bigbug]

Can anyone confirm that if Acura honor their warranty in Canada? Thanks.

[michelb]

Can anyone confirm that if Acura honor their warranty in Canada? Thanks.

It's been discussed many times that Honda does not offer the warranty on US purchased cars unless it was first registered in the US and then that owner transfers it to Canada and then the warranty only applies to that owner (if the vehicle is transferred to someone else, the warranty becomes void). Acura appears to take it one step further in that the warranty cannot be transferred to Canada at all (from their Warranty Infomation (http://www.ahm-ownerlink.com/Documentum/Warranty/Handbooks/BWL32398.pdf)):

Warranty Coverage Outside
the United States
The warranties in this booklet cover
only Acura automobiles purchased
and registered in the United States,
Puerto Rico, and the U.S. Virgin
Islands. Acura vehicles registered
and normally driven in other
countries are not covered.
Acura dealers outside the U.S. may
not honor these warranties. If you
have your U.S.-specification Acura
serviced by an Acura dealer in
another country (while on vacation,
for example), and that service would
normally be covered by one of the
warranties in this booklet, please
contact American Honda.

In any case, you probably want to confirm with Acura but from my interpretation, a US vehicle registered in Canada most likely wouldn't get coverage in Canada and wouldn't even get coverage if you returned it to the US (explicitly says 'Acura vehicles registered and normally driven in other countries are not covered.')


----
Update
----

Interestingly enough, I just noticed that Honda USA's Warranty Information contains the same text as Acura's so in theory it sounds like even for a Honda that was originally registered in the US and then imported into Canada, they could refuse to do warranty work even though the Honda Canada website says that it is covered (I'm not a lawyer but I believe the terms in the Warranty Manual define the legal obligations not what's on the website). From Honda Canada website:

If I purchase a used Honda in Canada that was originally sold as a new car in the United States, will Honda Canada provide any warranty coverage?

No. The reciprocal warranty agreement between Honda Canada and American Honda only covers owners who relocate from one country to the other, or owners from one country who are traveling on business or vacation in the other country. If a vehicle that was originally sold new in the United States is brought into Canada, its warranty only applies to the owner that purchased the vehicle while living in the U.S. and who imports the vehicle into Canada for their own personal or family use.

[DSTU]

Can anyone confirm that if Acura honor their warranty in Canada? Thanks.

No

[bigbug]

It's been discussed many times that Honda does not offer the warranty on US purchased cars unless it was first registered in the US and then that owner transfers it to Canada and then the warranty only applies to that owner (if the vehicle is transferred to someone else, the warranty becomes void). Acura appears to take it one step further in that the warranty cannot be transferred to Canada at all (from their Warranty Infomation (http://www.ahm-ownerlink.com/Documentum/Warranty/Handbooks/BWL32398.pdf)):



The Acura dealer in US I talked to was pretty sure the Acura warranty would be honoured in Canada, but this gives me a second thought.

Pretty helpful information. Thanks!

[Gromit]

Here is the current list of successful RFD importers (part of the elite RFD super savers club):

Anyone else want to add to the list? I'm sure there are more of you out there.


You can add me if you want. I had started the purchase process before this thread started, but I bought my Sienna in the US last year.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Here is the current list of successful RFD importers (part of the elite RFD super savers club):

Monsieurmaggot - Subaru 3.0R Outback LLBean
Tuppin - Subaru Tribeca
yyz2hkg - Subaru
Flaming_homer - Subaru Forester
Tiffin - Allegro Bay 37' motorhome
Algrande - Subaru Outback XT
Fruzmatik - Subaru Tribeca
Deemo - 2005 BMW M3
Gromit - Toyota Sienna
Mongo - Toyota Tacoma Doublecab 4X4 TRD Sport
MMMM - Honda Element
john_rt- Subaru Legacy GT
whampoa - Subaru 2.5i Outback LLBean

Anyone else want to add to the list? I'm sure there are more of you out there.

Then there's the list started by xriddle indicating what cars have been confirmed as NAFTA vehicles:

Acura: RDX, MDX, TL, CSX,
Mazda: Mazda 6, Tribute
Honda: Accord, Civic, Pilot, CRV, Element
Toyota: Matrix, Corolla, Camry, Tundra, Tacoma, Sienna, Sequoia
Lexus: RX350 2006-07 RX330
Mercedes: R-class, ML
Mitsubishi: Galant, Eclipse, Eclipse Spyder, Raider, Endeavor
BMW: 2002-07 X5, Z4
Saab:9-7x
Subaru: Legacy, Outback, Tribeca
Suzuki: XL7
Hyundai: 2006+2007 Sonata, 2007 Santa Fe
Nissan: Altima, Armada, Titan


Okay there now appears to be some successful Toyota importers among the scores of Subaru importers. Honda, BMW and a motorhome. Quite the list. Depending on how you calculate it, there's almost $500,000 in purchases made in the US. Surely the Canadian dealers should start banging on the manufacturers' Canadian subsidiary's door complaining about this.

[Comatose]

Does anyone have an idea of how frequently RIV's list of admissable vehicles gets updated?

In particular im waiting for a 2008 model that is to be released later this year (in both US and Canada), and Im trying see if i can determine additionaly how much longer i would need to wait before i could import it.

Thanks in advance~

[Sandeep]

Insurance can be obtained for a car that is still in US, but what about license plate? Can you drive a car without license plates?

Thanks!

[flaming homer]

Insurance can be obtained for a car that is still in US, but what about license plate? Can you drive a car without license plates?

Thanks!Based on your location, I'll assume you'll make your purchase in Western NY. The dealers there charges US$ 77.50 for various administration fees, which includes NY state tire tax, DMV registration, and a 30-day temporary NY plate for the sole purpose that you'll be driving it out of state.

Northtown wanted $110 for this, the other two competing Subaru dealers stuck to $77.50

And once across the border, you should have an Ontario temporary plate ready, it's CAD $15 for 10-days. It is debated here if you can drive into Ontario with a temporary NY plate, but to be on the safe side, it's only $15...

[Sandeep]

Thanks for the response. Can I get something similar from dmv myself, if its a private sale?

[bigbug]

Here is the current list of successful RFD importers (part of the elite RFD super savers club):

Monsieurmaggot - Subaru 3.0R Outback LLBean
Tuppin - Subaru Tribeca
yyz2hkg - Subaru
Flaming_homer - Subaru Forester
Tiffin - Allegro Bay 37' motorhome
Algrande - Subaru Outback XT
Fruzmatik - Subaru Tribeca
Deemo - 2005 BMW M3
Gromit - Toyota Sienna
Mongo - Toyota Tacoma Doublecab 4X4 TRD Sport
MMMM - Honda Element
john_rt- Subaru Legacy GT
whampoa - Subaru 2.5i Outback LLBean

Anyone else want to add to the list? I'm sure there are more of you out there.

Then there's the list started by xriddle indicating what cars have been confirmed as NAFTA vehicles:

Acura: RDX, MDX, TL, CSX,
Mazda: Mazda 6, Tribute
Honda: Accord, Civic, Pilot, CRV, Element
Toyota: Matrix, Corolla, Camry, Tundra, Tacoma, Sienna, Sequoia
Lexus: RX350 2006-07 RX330
Mercedes: R-class, ML
Mitsubishi: Galant, Eclipse, Eclipse Spyder, Raider, Endeavor
BMW: 2002-07 X5, Z4
Saab:9-7x
Subaru: Legacy, Outback, Tribeca
Suzuki: XL7
Hyundai: 2006+2007 Sonata, 2007 Santa Fe
Nissan: Altima, Armada, Titan


Okay there now appears to be some successful Toyota importers among the scores of Subaru importers. Honda, BMW and a motorhome. Quite the list. Depending on how you calculate it, there's almost $500,000 in purchases made in the US. Surely the Canadian dealers should start banging on the manufacturers' Canadian subsidiary's door complaining about this.

It'd be even better if this list shows if the warranty would be honoured in Canada. Thanks

[ecgz88]

Nissan warranty is not transfable though,:evil: check pre-post

I've been crunching numbers on a 2007 Nissan Altima Hybrid, which has gotten great reviews compared with the Camry Hybrid and Accord Hybrid. Here are the numbers I came up with:

2007 Nissan Altima Hybrid (Carcostcanada.com)
$34,373.00 MSRP
$2,062.38 GST
$2,749.84 PST (Ontario)

$39,185.22 TOTAL

There are also two rebates available right now for Hybrid vehicles:

Federal ($1500)
http://www.tc.gc.ca/programs/environment/ecotransport/ecoauto.htm
Ontario ($2000)
http://www.fin.gov.on.ca/english/tax/guides/rst/pdf/702.pdf

So the toal cost in Ontario for this car would be: $35,685.22 if you were to pay the MSRP.

I've done some research on this car in the United States, and according to Edmunds.com, most people are paying MSRP on this car. (TMV) Since it is built in the United States, it would not be subject to the 6.1% import tax.

$24,990.00 US MSRP Price
$27738.90 US rate at Exchange
$1,664.33 GST
$2,219.11 PST
$400.00 Riv Fee + gas + misc

$32,022.35 TOTAL

I'm not positive and will have to double check, but I believe that an imported car would still be eligible for the $3500 worth of rebates. If so it would be about $7000 less than buying in Canada. Wow! If you only save $3500 that wouldn't be quite as hot.

One concern I have about buying a Hybrid is that these cars really need to be serviced at a dealer, and it would get complicated to buy an extended warranty in the US.

Can anyone recommend a good dealer in the New York that sells to Canadians?

[ecgz88]

The Acura dealer in US I talked to was pretty sure the Acura warranty would be honoured in Canada, but this gives me a second thought.

Pretty helpful information. Thanks!


My friend bought and registered Acura MDX in BC back in 2003, now she get a US Plate on it, no problem in service in US though.

If The Acura dealer in US willing to do warranty work for you with no problem, go for it!:)

[slothy@cutey]

Can someone clarify the US Invoice prices on base models? When I do a search, the exact same model has a different invoice price depending on what site is posting it? Is this manufacturer specific (or dealer specific)? If the former, why the disparity in values... I've seen differences over $1000 for seemingly the same models???

Is there any advantage to paying for the entire vehicle with 1 or more credit card (or do you really get nailed on exchange fees/surcharges?) if buying from a dealer?

[scouzi]

Can someone clarify the US Invoice prices on base models? When I do a search, the exact same model has a different invoice price depending on what site is posting it? Is this manufacturer specific (or dealer specific)? If the former, why the disparity in values... I've seen differences over $1000 for seemingly the same models???

Is there any advantage to paying for the entire vehicle with 1 or more credit card (or do you really get nailed on exchange fees/surcharges?) if buying from a dealer?

I doubt a dealer will let you buy a car with a credit card as he will have to send 2% of the deal to the CC company. That will eat a good chunk of his gross profit margin on the vehicule.

[golden]

Doesn't make sense to buy with credit card even allowed so, as the credit card company will profit from the exchange rate.

[perfchris]

Doesn't make sense to buy with credit card even allowed so, as the credit card company will profit from the exchange rate.


Unless you credit card is in US funds.....

[WildPegasus]

Doesn't make sense to buy with credit card even allowed so, as the credit card company will profit from the exchange rate.

Citibank Driver's Edge charges 2% to exchange funds but you also get a 2% on all purchases towards a new vehicle. Can't get better then no-charge currency exchange.

[YLSF]

I am looking at getting a vehicle to purchase under a company.. If it is for business use does it change things? Does the above only apply for personal use? If it is registered under a company name is the process different/more costly? I will do some of my own research but if anyone knows this answer it will save me a lot of reading!

[slothy@cutey]

Thanks for the response re: credit card.... True that it's impractical (the thought of all those reward points!!!... though you'd certainly pay for it with the exchange charge/fees).

Can someone respond to my question regarding the Invoice Pricing disparity on US car sites? Is the Invoice Price fixed by the manufacture, estimated by everyone, or fixed at the dealership?

[ecgz88]

Call ecoAuto Program, this is the fourth time I call them, still no answer for import hybrid vehicle from states can get rebate or not:twisted: they said they are still discussing :confused:

http://www.tc.gc.ca/programs/environment/ecotransport/ecoauto.htm#2007vehicleeligibility

[ecgz88]

keep in mind just for buy vehicle in Canada only:)

I didn't use them from 1 year ago since I noticed this policy.

Citibank Driver's Edge charges 2% to exchange funds but you also get a 2% on all purchases towards a new vehicle. Can't get better then no-charge currency exchange.

[bigbug]

If I register a new car in US, drive it for a couple months and import to Canada, does the custom still charge me tax on new car value or depreciated value? do I still need to pay the PST in Ontario?

[superwell]

no one that has bought a car in the states has really answered the question about financing for the car. Did you bank give you financing for a US car purchase or did you guys just use personal lines/credit cards?

[michelb]

If I register a new car in US, drive it for a couple months and import to Canada, does the custom still charge me tax on new car value or depreciated value? do I still need to pay the PST in Ontario?

If you keep the car registered in the US for at least 6 months, I believe you can import it without paying taxes (probably falls under 'Canadian citizen returning to Canada' for Customs Canada). If it's less than that, you'll have to pay the taxes. I suspect that they'll charge you tax on the new value but don't know for sure. In any case, you probably want to pay tax on the new value since, if you are getting a good deal, the 'used car depreciated value' after a few months of use will be based on the Red Book Value and will likely be more than what you paid to begin with.

[yyz2hkg]

no one that has bought a car in the states has really answered the question about financing for the car. Did you bank give you financing for a US car purchase or did you guys just use personal lines/credit cards?

This has actually been mentioned many times over...but I can understand there's over 100 some odd pages to go through, but if you do a search, your answer will lie within...

LINKY (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=363416)

[GoiNGPoSTaL]

There is no point in registering it in the States because you have to be a citizen of the States, insurance if you intend to drive it around and you may have to pay the state tax(s).

[bigbug]

There is no point in registering it in the States because you have to be a citizen of the States, insurance if you intend to drive it around and you may have to pay the state tax(s).

I actually worked in the south for a couple months. compared to the saving, the state tax and insurance is neglectable. i am considering this option because it may offer these benefits:

1. save GST/PST when import (debatable)
2. some manufactures only cover the warranty if your car is registered in US. But if you can prove that you move from US to Canada, they will let you carry the warranty over to Canada.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Can someone respond to my question regarding the Invoice Pricing disparity on US car sites? Is the Invoice Price fixed by the manufacture, estimated by everyone, or fixed at the dealership?

I can speak a little about Subaru and less about Toyota. Unlike Canada, there could be more than one US distributor selling the same cars. From what I understand, the Toyota market in the US is fragmented into three regions controlled by three different Toyota distributors. From the research I did, there are two Subaru distributors in the northern US.

If you check sites like Edmunds or Yahoo Cars closely, you will see invoice pricing notes indicating "prices valid in -- listing the US States"

In the case of Subarus, the NY State distributor's invoice is typically $250 higher than in other states. This same distributor covers most of the New England states. The Western distributors don't have the surcharge. With a little haggling, you can get the $250 invoice surcharge dropped.

I suspect that most of the larger manufacturers do the same thing in the US. They have various distribution networks

I wish the Canadian Distributors of Subaru merely charged a $250 markup. They would make a killing in Canada but alas they let greed rule...

[scouzi]

I can speak a little about Subaru and less about Toyota. Unlike Canada, there could be more than one US distributor selling the same cars. From what I understand, the Toyota market in the US is fragmented into three regions controlled by three different Toyota distributors. From the research I did, there are two Subaru distributors in the northern US.

If you check sites like Edmunds or Yahoo Cars closely, you will see invoice pricing notes indicating "prices valid in -- listing the US States"

In the case of Subarus, the NY State distributor's invoice is typically $250 higher than in other states. This same distributor covers most of the New England states. The Western distributors don't have the surcharge. With a little haggling, you can get the $250 invoice surcharge dropped.

I suspect that most of the larger manufacturers do the same thing in the US. They have various distribution networks

I wish the Canadian Distributors of Subaru merely charged a $250 markup. They would make a killing in Canada but alas they let greed rule...

I imagine you are talking about Subaru of New England. The good thing is that they have a centralized inventory system for all the dealers.

The web address is www.sne1.com.

[fruzmatik]

Was that 38500 with taxes?

Yea 38,500 taxes in, with registration and plates:D . I included the RBC purchase rate for informational purposes.

[MMMM]

Originally Posted by slothy@cutey
Can someone respond to my question regarding the Invoice Pricing disparity on US car sites? Is the Invoice Price fixed by the manufacture, estimated by everyone, or fixed at the dealership?

For invoice pricing for my Honda purchase I used http://www.edmunds.com/

And yes there does seem to be some regional differences.

[superwell]

This has actually been mentioned many times over...but I can understand there's over 100 some odd pages to go through, but if you do a search, your answer will lie within...

LINKY (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=363416)


thank you...I didn't even know your thread existed. I do have 1 more question as you did mention about the financing but I am still unclear..has anyone here gone to a bank in canada and got financing for a car purchase in the us. What i mean in easy terms is..has anyone here that bought a car in the US, gone to scotia bank, royal bank, CIBC, MBO and told then you need $xx,XXX amount of money for a car purchase in the US and they have given it to you??

[yyz2hkg]

thank you...I didn't even know your thread existed. I do have 1 more question as you did mention about the financing but I am still unclear..has anyone here gone to a bank in canada and got financing for a car purchase in the us. What i mean in easy terms is..has anyone here that bought a car in the US, gone to scotia bank, royal bank, CIBC, MBO and told then you need $xx,XXX amount of money for a car purchase in the US and they have given it to you??

Some yes, some NO....Some financial institutions will only finance vehicles that are physically here in Ontario and or registered in Ontario. The funny thing is, when I asked them "How do I register the vehicle without first paying for it?" They couldn't answer me. I read here in this thread that someone financed a new car they bought in the States, just like a car loan as if he bought the vehicle here in T.O...again, depends on your bank and who you know in the financial institutions. Hit or Miss.

[slothy@cutey]

I have a question about trade-ins state-side.

If I trade-in my vehicle at a US dealership (assuming and I've confirmed a few that would take it), can I get the plates and registration transferred over? Or do I need it to register with the state (say, NY) and then re-register to Ontario plates.

Also, are there any border issues entering the US with a car to effectively "sell" as a trade-in to a US dealership and then leave the country with a new car leaving the former behinds? Has anyone had experience with this?

[slothy@cutey]

Quick confirmation:

A Recall Letter is only required from the manufacturer IF the dealership is NOT an "authorized dealer"... correct? If they are an authorized dealer, they can create and sign a binding Recall Letter that you won't need to get from the manufacturer?

I've got my mind set on 1 vehicle and will be doing the deal very soon (will keep you all posted)... but that Lexus is sure callin' out my name!!!! Can't believe the prices there!

[inspire]

If I trade-in my vehicle at a US dealership (assuming and I've confirmed a few that would take it), can I get the plates and registration transferred over? Or do I need it to register with the state (say, NY) and then re-register to Ontario plates.
I would say no. You can't simply swap plates from your trade-in to the new car because the new car has not met Canadian standards (ie completed RIV paperwork). Plus, it is titled in another country. Get the NY temp plates ... OR ... have the dealer drive it (with the dealer plates) to the border crossing and drive it across without plates (that's what I did for my 2007 Acura TSX). I drove illegally in Ontario (3km from border to my house) via back roads so I wouldn't get pulled over by police. That's if you want to save "some" money.

Also, are there any border issues entering the US with a car to effectively "sell" as a trade-in to a US dealership and then leave the country with a new car leaving the former behinds? Has anyone had experience with this?
No idea. It's up to the dealership that will want to deal with titling a Canadian car into the US. It's done by leasing companies all the time over there, so it must be no big deal.

A Recall Letter is only required from the manufacturer IF the dealership is NOT an "authorized dealer"... correct? If they are an authorized dealer, they can create and sign a binding Recall Letter that you won't need to get from the manufacturer?
All you need is a dealership with letterhead to say it's up to date with recalls. Getting the signature of the service manager is all you need. (that's what I did when I bought from the Acura dealership). Be sure to make a photocopy of that original document for your records (you have to give the original to RIV or to Customs ... can't remember which).

[shopper-X]

For people looking for NAFTA cars I found an article on USAToday.com "How American is that car? (http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2007-03-21-car-content-chart_N.htm)"

Does not show all cars and companies, but most are there.
Subaru is under Fuji Heavy Ind.
Not the most up-to-date but it will add to the master list that being updated.


Fuji Heavy Ind. Subaru Legacy 2006 55% Ind.

[waljo88]

Looks like some savings can be easily made, if you can follow the steps outlined below.

This what Im expecting to pay for the 07 TOYOTA CAMRY LE

http://costcoauto.com/carresearch/configurator.asp?zipcode=44145&year=2007&costcomake=38&costcomodel=2142&make=49&model=w2007k49m1&style=w2007k49m1t5

INVOICE PRICE = $19,391 USD
After conversion ($1.13) = $21,911.83 CDN
After GST & PST = $24,979.49
After all the other admin costs I expect the final price to be about $25,500 CDN --> Not bad as the out the door price in Ontario is about $31,100. I think that even the worst negotiator could negotiate the price down to $30,000 easily. So it looks like the net savings are about $4,500.

Other things, I was hoping you guys could help clarify.
1) I expect this car to have no duty - due to it being listed on the RIV site
2) I expect the DRL (lights) not to be a problem - because they come standard with the base model in the states
3) I don't know why I keep seeing $1.11 as the currency conversion costs on this thread, as these lousy Canadian banks charge about 2 extra cents extra on the dollar when converting currency. (IF ANY ONE KNOWS THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO CONVERT CANADIAN DOLLARS - PLEASE LET ME KNOW)
4) ANOTHER IMPORTANT QUESTION - sense I would be buying a brand new CAMRY from the factory - COULD I have the Odometer to be stated in Kilometers rather than Miles - I would think this shouldnt be a problem.
5) Im sorry, it seems these questions are being repetitive, but I assume the warranty will be transferable to Canada - as I have seen this being stated a couple times on this thread.

Also, if anyone has bought a Camry (or any Toyota) it would be great if you could share your experiences.

Sad us Canadians have to go through such hasstles to buy a car and not be gauged.

[flaming homer]

1) I expect this car to have no duty - due to it being listed on the RIV siteRIV list means you're allowed to import it, not it will be duty (6.1%) free.
3) I don't know why I keep seeing $1.11 as the currency conversion costs on this thread, as these lousy Canadian banks charge about 2 extra cents extra on the dollar when converting currency. (IF ANY ONE KNOWS THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO CONVERT CANADIAN DOLLARS - PLEASE LET ME KNOW)XEtrade as of right now is 1 US$ = 1.116032 CAD$ @ http://www.xe.net/fx

[bigbug]

Looks like some savings can be easily made, if you can follow the steps outlined below.

This what Im expecting to pay for the 07 TOYOTA CAMRY LE

http://costcoauto.com/carresearch/configurator.asp?zipcode=44145&year=2007&costcomake=38&costcomodel=2142&make=49&model=w2007k49m1&style=w2007k49m1t5

INVOICE PRICE = $19,391 USD
After conversion ($1.13) = $21,911.83 CDN
After GST & PST = $24,979.49
After all the other admin costs I expect the final price to be about $25,500 CDN --> Not bad as the out the door price in Ontario is about $31,100. I think that even the worst negotiator could negotiate the price down to $30,000 easily. So it looks like the net savings are about $4,500.

Other things, I was hoping you guys could help clarify.
1) I expect this car to have no duty - due to it being listed on the RIV site
2) I expect the DRL (lights) not to be a problem - because they come standard with the base model in the states
3) I don't know why I keep seeing $1.11 as the currency conversion costs on this thread, as these lousy Canadian banks charge about 2 extra cents extra on the dollar when converting currency. (IF ANY ONE KNOWS THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO CONVERT CANADIAN DOLLARS - PLEASE LET ME KNOW)
4) ANOTHER IMPORTANT QUESTION - sense I would be buying a brand new CAMRY from the factory - COULD I have the Odometer to be stated in Kilometers rather than Miles - I would think this shouldnt be a problem.
5) Im sorry, it seems these questions are being repetitive, but I assume the warranty will be transferable to Canada - as I have seen this being stated a couple times on this thread.

Also, if anyone has bought a Camry (or any Toyota) it would be great if you could share your experiences.

Sad us Canadians have to go through such hasstles to buy a car and not be gauged.

According to earlier posts Toyota Canada would not honor the warranty any more, would they?

[ecgz88]

make sure check VIN that it's made in US, some Camry is made in Japan.

[dudestr]

http://www.xe.net/fx[/url]

On friday I converted to US$32,000 at 1.114 at RBC.
I am going to do a 07 Toyota Tacoma and yes Toyota Canada honours the warranty - I called them.

[waljo88]

On friday I converted to US$32,000 at 1.114 at RBC.
I am going to do a 07 Toyota Tacoma and yes Toyota Canada honours the warranty - I called them.


Thanks for the help.

How were you able to get the lower currency exhange?
Also is there an option where you can have the odometer stated with KM as the main display rather then MPH. This would make it easier to sell the car in canada

[dudestr]

Thanks for the help.

How were you able to get the lower currency exhange?
Also is there an option where you can have the odometer stated with KM as the main display rather then MPH. This would make it easier to sell the car in canada

I went in to RBC to withdraw my $ and they asked me why and I told them I want to buy US$ and my GF works for CIBC and she can get spot. The teller then said let's see what I can do and then she gave me her rate. Done do it, actually it was better than what CIBC or Currancy Bulian (sp?) offered me.

I didn't get the vehicle yet. I am not buying my vehicle to sell I want it for myself.

[fatjoe]

Another car to consider, Hyundai Sonata seems to be a good deal and warranty is good in Canada too.

[Prof]

Another car to consider, Hyundai Sonata seems to be a good deal and warranty is good in Canada too.

Sonata also currently has a $2000 rebate stateside. A mid trim SE w/V6 and 5spd auto goes for around 19K US or 21.5K Cdn. Put another way, it's less than the price of a Toyota Corolla or Honda Civic. Before you start flaming, "yea but it's a Hyundai", I own two Toyotas but I'm looking at Hyundai and Subaru stateside because of the huge cost savings.

As for buying a Toyota, I was under the impression that wasn't possible any longer since Toyota Canada put the kibosh on importation. I would love to hear otherwise.

[waljo88]

As for buying a Toyota, I was under the impression that wasn't possible any longer since Toyota Canada put the kibosh on importation. I would love to hear otherwise.


Oh Oh. Are you serious have they really shut down the cross border purchases?

[fatjoe]

Can't wait till the Genesis arrives next year. It's going to be awsome, less than $30K US for a Luxory rear wheel drive sports sedan from Hyundai that will compete with Lexus, BMW and Mercedes. Start saving your money.

[sonicDX]

Hi, folks :
I am about to buy a 2004 Sienna next 2 weeks . I am confused about some of the terms here , please clarify , thanks !
what is title document , is it the same as the ownership ?
what is the registration ? if it's for exporting , do I need to register in US ?
what is statement of compliance ?

I am clear on all other stuff .
thanks !

[waljo88]

I called a dealer in Buffalo who advised, he cant sell NEW CARS FOR CANADIANS.

[yyz2hkg]

I called a dealer in Buffalo who advised, he cant sell NEW CARS FOR CANADIANS.

You need to call around, but not the border states (states running along CAN/US BORDER.) You have to go a little farther South as I've been told, but it's possible. Many of them don't want to risk their franchise agreement but they are legally able to sell to Canadians.

[fl4wless]

Hi Folks, i didnt have time to go through this thread, but will when i have some time.

Quick question. I was considering importing a 2004/2005 Nissan Murano.... are there any special consideration in brining in this type of vehicle, would any thing need to be changed, warranty isnt a concern as i dont think nissan warranty transfers over the boarder....

thanks, once i get a chance to go through the thread ill hopefully know the answer to my quesiton, but if someone already knows...

thanks.

[shopper-X]

Hi Folks, i didnt have time to go through this thread, but will when i have some time.

Quick question. I was considering importing a 2004/2005 Nissan Murano.... are there any special consideration in brining in this type of vehicle, would any thing need to be changed, warranty isnt a concern as i dont think nissan warranty transfers over the boarder....

thanks, once i get a chance to go through the thread ill hopefully know the answer to my quesiton, but if someone already knows...

thanks.

Don't take this the wrong way, I know it's a long tread but it's faster to use the "Search this Tread" option above the first post of the any page (under the page numbers at top). Next type in "Nissan" then "go"

There is a lot to consider about Nissan and a lot of research the importer has to do before buying one. It varies from model to model and year to year, however it's been mentioned more then once that Nissan Canada has stopped warranty work on US Models b/c the warranty money goes to the US not Canada. Again, use the search, it's easy and fast or call Nissan Canada as different answers have been posted within the tread.

[DSTU]

Hi Folks, i didnt have time to go through this thread, but will when i have some time.

Quick question. I was considering importing a 2004/2005 Nissan Murano.... are there any special consideration in brining in this type of vehicle, would any thing need to be changed, warranty isnt a concern as i dont think nissan warranty transfers over the boarder....

thanks, once i get a chance to go through the thread ill hopefully know the answer to my quesiton, but if someone already knows...

thanks.

check riv.ca - it has everything you need to know.

[flaming homer]

Obviously now that I'm at the brink of completing my purchase, family and friends are all interested in my experience. Family members who are snowbirds are interested in doing this with a Lexus SUV. Few questions:

- People whom have dealt with Lexus, will the warranty transfer over if the car was first registered in the US, say, Florida ?
- Is there some time (6 months, etc) in between purchase and actually importing it allows for more tax savings, in Duty, GST, PST ?

Thanks in advance.

[michelb]

Obviously now that I'm at the brink of completing my purchase, family and friends are all interested in my experience. Family members who are snowbirds are interested in doing this with a Lexus SUV. Few questions:

- People whom have dealt with Lexus, will the warranty transfer over if the car was first registered in the US, say, Florida ?
- Is there some time (6 months, etc) in between purchase and actually importing it allows for more tax savings, in Duty, GST, PST ?

Thanks in advance.

I believe Lexus warranty will carry over without any problems but you should call them (Lexus USA and Lexus Canada) just to confirm that. I would probably also want to get something in writing although you might not be able to get that.

I thought I had read somewhere that you need to have the vehicle registered for at least 6 months in the US before you can import it without paying taxes and duty but this information from Canada Border Services says at least year (http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/E/pub/cp/rc4105/rc4105-e.html#P009). Note that the wording also says 'returning to resume residence after an absence of at least one year' which might be interpreted as meaning that you actually had to declare yourself a 'non-Resident Canadian' for at least 1 year for this to apply (snowbirds would probably not be able to become 'non-resident' as I believe they need to maintain their Canadian residency to keep Canadian medical coverage, also all the snowbirds I know, visit Florida for no more than 6 month - 1 day in order to maintain their Canadian residency (and health coverage)).

Another thing to keep in mind is that if you buy / register a car in the US, you will need to insure it and if you don't have US driving history, insuring the car could be very expensive (several years ago, I was working in Florida part of the time and from home the rest so decided to buy a car there rather than renting one every time and it was VERY difficult to get insurance and it was quite expensive I believe when I finally found some (the car was cheap and I only had liability insurance I think so the actual amount wasn't that bad but it was a lot more than I was paying in Canada). If you end up having to pay $3-4k more to insure a car there for one year, that's a big chunk of your savings gone.

-- update --

looking more closely at the link above, near the top it says:

'Items you can import duty- and tax-free: ... personal vehicle ...'

but if you continue reading to the bottom it actually says:

'Your vehicle will also be subject to provincial or territorial sales tax and safety requirements. Check with the motor vehicle department of the province or territory to which you are returning to resume residence.'

So you might not save the tax after all and could end up paying both FL taxes and CND taxes (which would take another big chunk of your savings (I think FL tax is 8.5%).

[shaolinmonk]

would it be easier to have a friend/family in the US buy the car and then sell it privately to you?

[bionicbadger]

would it be easier to have a friend/family in the US buy the car and then sell it privately to you?

The problem with that is your friend will have to pay the state tax when they buy it. Canadians don't have to pay that tax

[michelb]

The problem with that is your friend will have to pay the state tax when they buy it. Canadians don't have to pay that tax

And some manufacturers (e.g. Nissan) will specifically void the warranty if the car is bought new, imported and resold (either order) within the first 6 months (I believe it's to prevent used car dealerships in Canada to buy brand new cars in the US, import in Canada and then sell them as 'very slightly used demos' with full warranty in Canada for significantly less than new dealerships sell theirs (although I can't imagine any used car dealerships doing anything sneaky like that ;))

[flaming homer]

would it be easier to have a friend/family in the US buy the car and then sell it privately to you?It would be even easier that the Snowbirds buy it themselves while in Florida for the winter. My question is more about Lexus warranty and if there are any tax savings if they bring back the car after 6 months. I know that they have to register and pay Florida (6% - 7%) state tax, but if by keeping it in Florida for 6 months means they can save 6.1% duty + 6% GST + 8% Ontario PST and receive full Lexus warranty, then it is worth keeping it longer in the US.

[sonicDX]

I called Toyota Canada 2 days ago , they told me the waranty is valid in Canada .
Lexus should be the same , aren't they the same company ?

Buying new Toyota from U.S. , you need to pay state tax and have a US address , then you can export .
Buying used Toyota , you don't need to pay stats tax .

In both case , you have to pay GST and PST in Canada .

In my case , I am going to buy a 2005 Sienna LE + option 6 , Toyota certified with remaining waranty and roadside assistance , price is about CAD 22000 before tax .

[waljo88]

You need to call around, but not the border states (states running along CAN/US BORDER.) You have to go a little farther South as I've been told, but it's possible. Many of them don't want to risk their franchise agreement but they are legally able to sell to Canadians.

Thanks for the advice, I talked to dealer in Chicago, I had no such luck.

This really sucks. I need to find a dealer in the states that will. Preferably on the North-east side. I have been offered Used 07 Camrys, heck they called from Buffalo. But I want to be careful, I here the Camry quality has come down a tad (well mainly in the first batch),

Oh yeah please message my privately as, I dont want to get any of these dealers in trouble indirectly on this forum.

Thanks again to all those with the advice..

[michelb]

Thanks for the advice, I talked to dealer in Chicago, I had no such luck.

This really sucks. I need to find a dealer in the states that will. Preferably on the North-east side. I have been offered Used 07 Camrys, heck they called from Buffalo. But I want to be careful, I here the Camry quality has come down a tad (well mainly in the first batch),

Oh yeah please message my privately as, I dont want to get any of these dealers in trouble indirectly on this forum.

Thanks again to all those with the advice..

Dude, re-read the message above; you need to call dealers that are more SOUTH (Chicago / Buffalo / NORTH-east) is not SOUTH. Dealers close to the border will not deal with you - try Texas, Louisiana, South Carolina, etc (i.e. SOUTH).

[DSTU]

But I want to be careful, I here the Camry quality has come down a tad (well mainly in the first batch

Are you serious??

You heard this from where?


JD Power Rating 2007 Camry

Overall Quality - Manufacturing: *****
Mechanical Manufacturing Quality ****1/2
Body & Interior Manufacturing Quality ****1/2
Feature & Accessory Manufacturing Quality *****

[thegradas]

Edmunds.com customer reviews:
- "delay in acceleration and poor mileage"
- "The car hesitated during acceleration, repeatedly shifted gears during minimal acceleration, and ALWAYS down-shifted when using cruise control on slight inclines. In fact it down-shifted two gears to climb small hills in Florida and hit 4800 RPM in third gear"
- "It takes from 1-3 seconds after pushing the gas pedal for the tranny to downshift and accelerate. With a hard heavy downshift the car takes off, but on normal moderate accelerating, it is dangerous and frustrating"


Are you serious??

You heard this from where?


JD Power Rating 2007 Camry

Overall Quality - Manufacturing: *****
Mechanical Manufacturing Quality ****1/2
Body & Interior Manufacturing Quality ****1/2
Feature & Accessory Manufacturing Quality *****

[DSTU]

Edmunds.com customer reviews:
- "delay in acceleration and poor mileage"
- "The car hesitated during acceleration, repeatedly shifted gears during minimal acceleration, and ALWAYS down-shifted when using cruise control on slight inclines. In fact it down-shifted two gears to climb small hills in Florida and hit 4800 RPM in third gear"
- "It takes from 1-3 seconds after pushing the gas pedal for the tranny to downshift and accelerate. With a hard heavy downshift the car takes off, but on normal moderate accelerating, it is dangerous and frustrating"


How is that related to quality? The person probably can't drive an auto properly...LOL

[michelb]

Edmunds.com customer reviews:
- "delay in acceleration and poor mileage"
- "The car hesitated during acceleration, repeatedly shifted gears during minimal acceleration, and ALWAYS down-shifted when using cruise control on slight inclines. In fact it down-shifted two gears to climb small hills in Florida and hit 4800 RPM in third gear"
- "It takes from 1-3 seconds after pushing the gas pedal for the tranny to downshift and accelerate. With a hard heavy downshift the car takes off, but on normal moderate accelerating, it is dangerous and frustrating"

How is that related to quality? The person probably can't drive an auto properly...LOL

I have to agree, not that I'm a Camry owner (or even a fan) but they sell something like 400,000-500,000 Camrys / year. One person posting a bad review on the internet isn't exactly proof of 'poor quality' ... if there had been 1000 messages like this, I still wouldn't really be worried about it.

[thegradas]

http://www.edmunds.com/toyota/camry/2007/consumerreview.html?tid=edmunds.n.crrindex...1.Toy ota*

If you read all reviews on Edmunds.com, you'll notice that the same issues (acceleration delay and downshift when on cruise control) are reported constantly especially by owners of 2.4l 4cyl. auto transmission 2007 Camrys.
Manual transmission si the best option.

BTW, I was looking to buy a new Camry from US...




I have to agree, not that I'm a Camry owner (or even a fan) but they sell something like 400,000-500,000 Camrys / year. One person posting a bad review on the internet isn't exactly proof of 'poor quality' ... if there had been 1000 messages like this, I still wouldn't really be worried about it.

[sstackho]

Here's what I can tell you specifically when it comes to finances.

I set up a trading account with XEtrade. They are a currency exchange service.

<snip>

Hi Monsieurmaggot,

Could you please provide detail on the foreign exchange part of your transaction?

For example, were you able to do EFTs with your Canadian bank to (in CAD) and from (in USD) XETrade via EFTs? What were the bank charges? Who do you bank with?

Many thanks!

[Monsieurmaggot]

XEtrade allows EFTs to anyone.

The dealer gave me their banking information (Bank, Transit and account number).

In XEtrade I transferred the car deposit from my Canadian account (at CIBC) through XE to the dealer.

There was NO CHARGE to do this. If I remember, the dealer got his money in a couple of days.

I paid .045% above the posted Bank Of Canada exchange rate of the day.

CIBC wanted a total of $85 to transfer money electronically for me.

They preferred I transfer money from my Canadian account to a US account, charge me 2.5/3% spread and let me write a Bank Draft for $6.

For the bulk of my car payment, I transferred money from my CIBC account into my US account at CIBC (through XE), didn't pay anything for the transaction then paid CIBC $6 for a Bank Draft which I personally took with me.

When I asked CIBC why they charge a 2.5/3% spread, the teller just smiled politely.

By using XEtrade on a $30,000 purchase, I saved hundreds on exchange alone.

[waljo88]

Dude, re-read the message above; you need to call dealers that are more SOUTH (Chicago / Buffalo / NORTH-east) is not SOUTH. Dealers close to the border will not deal with you - try Texas, Louisiana, South Carolina, etc (i.e. SOUTH).

Thanks for the help.

I know what your saying about the border, but part of the problem is that I actually have to go down there and pick up the car.

I cant really take time off from work to do this. I was hoping to go this long weekend, and within a reasonable distance pick up a car. Time is running out though. Im thinking I might have to give in and just buy a used Accord (with no warranty and be done with it). I guess I cant fight it, my family has been driving Honda/Acura's for about a decade now, and never a Toyota.

Oh well.

[waljo88]

I have to agree, not that I'm a Camry owner (or even a fan) but they sell something like 400,000-500,000 Camrys / year. One person posting a bad review on the internet isn't exactly proof of 'poor quality' ... if there had been 1000 messages like this, I still wouldn't really be worried about it.

Im not saying the Camry sucks, Im still trying to buy one. I was watching a popular show last Sunday called Autoshop on Pulse 24. That guy is from Car Help Canada and extremely knowledgeable. If you dont believe me, watch him on Sunday's on Pulse24 @ 8PM. He was saying he read an article in the Toronto Star and one in the New York Times. He wasnt saying not to buy a camry, he was saying be careful with the ones made early about a year ago.

[flaming homer]

Called the Ontario Ministry of Transportation today (vehicle licensing) and confirmed that the temporary NY plates CANNOT be used in Ontario, and I must have the 10-day Trip Permit issued by my local vehicle licensing office. While it's only $15, the first place I went to was out of Trip Permit, go figure.

[flaming homer]

Called the Ontario Ministry of Transportation today (vehicle licensing) and confirmed that the temporary NY plates CANNOT be used in Ontario, and I must have the 10-day Trip Permit issued by my local vehicle licensing office. While it's only $15, the first place I went to was out of Trip Permit, go figure.
So I showed up bright and early this morning to a MTO location that actually had them "in stock". They would not "sell" me a trip permit as I could not produce the ORIGINAL title/ownership papers. Obviously since I haven't paid for the Subaru yet, I would not have original anything. But the staff also said that the temporary NY plates is sufficient for my purposes.

[flaming homer]

I called Toyota Canada 2 days ago , they told me the waranty is valid in Canada .
Lexus should be the same , aren't they the same company ?

Buying new Toyota from U.S. , you need to pay state tax and have a US address , then you can export .
Buying used Toyota , you don't need to pay stats tax .

In both case , you have to pay GST and PST in Canada .

In my case , I am going to buy a 2005 Sienna LE + option 6 , Toyota certified with remaining waranty and roadside assistance , price is about CAD 22000 before tax .

Thanks for the info. Lexus should have the same policy, and I will verify soon. Without any tax savings on a car held extensively outside of Ontario (6 Months +), I guess the best thing to do now is just purchase it in Florida, apply for the In-Transit plate which is valid for 30-days, and drive (auto-train) it back to Ontario. A 2008 RX 350 (not yet legal as per RIV) would net a savings close to CAD$ 10,000, well worth the effort. Good news is they can use it @ Florida for 30 days and still not pay Florida state tax...

Now to find a South Florida (read: Ft. Lauderdale/Miami) Lexus dealer that's familiar with "export" selling...

[Gromit]

Called the Ontario Ministry of Transportation today (vehicle licensing) and confirmed that the temporary NY plates CANNOT be used in Ontario, and I must have the 10-day Trip Permit issued by my local vehicle licensing office.

I really don't believe that's true. There is *nothing* in the official government documents that says acquiring an Ont. temporary plate is needed. I expect some worker was just giving you what they figured was the correct answer.

Think about from this perspective: What if I'm a NY resident, and buy a vehicle? I can't drive into Ontario to visit friends? Of course not. All US states and Can. provinces recognise the plates of each other.

None of us who've actually completed this process needed anything other than the temp US plates.

[flaming homer]

I really don't believe that's true. There is *nothing* in the official government documents that says acquiring an Ont. temporary plate is needed. I expect some worker was just giving you what they figured was the correct answer.

Think about from this perspective: What if I'm a NY resident, and buy a vehicle? I can't drive into Ontario to visit friends? Of course not. All US states and Can. provinces recognise the plates of each other.

None of us who've actually completed this process needed anything other than the temp US plates.
There have been a few posts here that their insurance company requires them to have temporary Ontario plates in order to acquire coverage. Mine, Belairdirect, did not make such a request, they only cared about the VIN and they were able to fax directly to Buffalo, althought their faxing system is 5-6 hours later than they think...

[whampoa]

So I showed up bright and early this morning to a MTO location that actually had them "in stock". They would not "sell" me a trip permit as I could not produce the ORIGINAL title/ownership papers. Obviously since I haven't paid for the Subaru yet, I would not have original anything. But the staff also said that the temporary NY plates is sufficient for my purposes.

Which MTO did you went this morning?

I have the same thing happened to me in two different MTO office this morning.

They want the ORIGINAL title/ownership and even though my dealership fax a copy to me.

I have a suspicion that you are suppose to get the Ontario Temporary Permit AFTER you imported the vehicle back to Ontario,

in the meantime the vehicle is in the registering process.

[flaming homer]

Which MTO did you went this morning?

I have the same thing happened to me in two different MTO office this morning.

They want the ORIGINAL title/ownership and even though my dealership fax a copy to me.

I have a suspicion that you are suppose to get the Ontario Temporary Permit AFTER you imported the vehicle back to Ontario,

in the meantime the vehicle is in the registering process.
Downtown Toronto - 137 Yonge

If they say I can drive it INTO Ontario with temporary NY plates, then I'm keeping them until I complete the RIV process.

[fruzmatik]

I can confirm the MTO does not require a temp ontario trip permit. They will not even provide one till the vehicle is in Ontario they told me.

Anyways A NY State temp permit is enough to drive in Ontario. A friend of mine owns an insurance company, he imported a porsche boxster and drove it with NY temp permit for weeks in Ontario....

Cheers.

[silverx]

anyone try or going to import the new scion xb? (xb2?)

the riv.ca doesnt list the 2008 model yet

[scouzi]

Here's a study by Denis DeRosiers (he's by far the most knowledgeable car person in Canada).

Sorry if it's a repost.

http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/dd/canada-usa_price_differential.htm

[skunizzi]

Can anyone please explaine to me why the warrenty would not be honered in Canada in this deal?

This would be the make or brake issue for me on this deal!

[bigbug]

Has anyone in this thread mentioned that NOT ALL states offer temporary plates? I called MA DMV, they said they won't offer a temp plate. I have to tow it all the way to Canada.

Can anyone give a list of those states (North East) offering temporary plates? Thanks!

[michelb]

Can anyone please explaine to me why the warrenty would not be honered in Canada in this deal?

This would be the make or brake issue for me on this deal!

...

Very simply when you buy from the US, you are buying from a different company than if you buy in Canada (e.g. Honda USA Inc. vs Honda Canada Inc.) and it's up to each company to decide whether or not they wish to honor the warranty of their 'sister' company. Also the original company specifies conditions under which the warranty is valid (e.g. some say 'car must be registered and normally driven in the USA, Puerto Rico, etc).

Many companies transfer the warranty (e.g. Subaru, Toyota, etc), others will honor under some conditions (e.g. GM - 6 months wait (I think)) and some not at all (e.g. Honda). Before I would buy a new car I would certainly confirm (in writting if possible, that the warranty will remain valid).

[spender]

Go to this link: http://drivingtelevision.com/index.php?epID=411 and watch episodes 409, 411 and 412 for a three-part series on Canadians importing vehicles from the U.S. I thought it was pretty helpful and interesting, sorry if this is a repost.

[waljo88]

Hey guys what do you make of this. I got an offer from a Toyota person in the Northeast, but he wants me to pay Ohio State tax. I think this is because I gave him an address in Ohio for some family I have. Is he misinformed about the tax (Im out of state-I shouldnt have to pay this) or is he trying to circumvent the Toyota rules of forbidding sales to Canadians.

This is his quote

"{You will pay Ohio state tax's, and tags fee. I dont know what they might be but make sure you check with your brother. Our final price is on the Camry is 18982.00 Plus your states tax's and tag's.

I do not have a price on the wheels but it is an accessorie that can be added.

Thanks"

[waljo88]

Hey guys what do you make of this. I got an offer from a Toyota person in the Northeast, but he wants me to pay Ohio State tax. I think this is because I gave him an address in Ohio for some family I have. Is he misinformed about the tax (Im out of state-I shouldnt have to pay this) or is he trying to circumvent the Toyota rules of forbidding sales to Canadians.

This is his quote

"{You will pay Ohio state tax's, and tags fee. I dont know what they might be but make sure you check with your brother. Our final price is on the Camry is 18982.00 Plus your states tax's and tag's.

I do not have a price on the wheels but it is an accessorie that can be added.

Thanks"

I got another dealer in Ohio stating the same thing about the sales tax, anybody hear the same thing yet.

[MMMM]

Hey guys what do you make of this. I got an offer from a Toyota person in the Northeast, but he wants me to pay Ohio State tax. I think this is because I gave him an address in Ohio for some family I have. Is he misinformed about the tax (Im out of state-I shouldnt have to pay this) or is he trying to circumvent the Toyota rules of forbidding sales to Canadians.

I am a little confused. Are you stating you told the dealer the car is going to Canada or Ohio?

[waljo88]

I am a little confused. Are you stating you told the dealer the car is going to Canada or Ohio?

The dealer is aware the car is going to Canada. They asked for a US address, so I gave my cousins.

[michelb]

The dealer is aware the car is going to Canada. They asked for a US address, so I gave my cousins.

If you gave him your cousin's address, he's selling it to you at your cousin's address so you have to pay tax. This has nothing to do with Canada (what you do with the car after he sells it, makes no difference to him). What you want to do is ask him if he'll sell it to you at your Canadian address - if not then he doesn't want to sell to Canadians; he'll only sell to someone with a US address and that doesn't really help you.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I really don't believe that's true. There is *nothing* in the official government documents that says acquiring an Ont. temporary plate is needed. I expect some worker was just giving you what they figured was the correct answer.

Think about from this perspective: What if I'm a NY resident, and buy a vehicle? I can't drive into Ontario to visit friends? Of course not. All US states and Can. provinces recognise the plates of each other.

None of us who've actually completed this process needed anything other than the temp US plates.

Guys, you might want to check your facts. Driving with an out of province/state temporary permit in Ontario is an offence. I've confirmed that with both the OPP and Toronto Police. While it is a grey area, the reasoning for a temporary permit is to permit you permit you to take your vehicle home prior to licensing. It also allows you to travel to your residence while crossing jurisdictions. In Ontario, a vehicle CANNOT be driven with a temporary permit unless it's going into an inpection, licensing or repair centre. My insurance company confirmed this statement and INSISTED that I not drive the car until it was properly plated.

I don't see why folks who are saving THOUSANDS of dollars quibble over a few bucks.

Contrary to what others have written, the MTO office I dealt with in Scarborough simply asked for the VIN number of my new car. They didn't care to see the bill of sale but was prepared to I explain that I had not yet received it.

On a better note: 2007 Outback can now be bought in the US for $28,500 CANADIAN. With the $1500 cash back and Canadian dollar at .91 cents, a loaded 3.0R LLBean can be had for $30,000. WOW.

[whampoa]

I would like to take this opportunity to thanks Monsieurmaggot and yyz9hkg for all their help in my recent acquisition of a brand new Subaru Outback 2.5i LL Bean.

I don't know what I will do without a wealth of information in this thread.


Now some of my experience, in importing a vehicle from the United States:

1. According to MTO, they require the ORIGINAL vehicle ownership/title in order to ge a temporary Ontario permit.

I got the same story at Sheppard and Kingston Road office.

I believe Monsieurmaggot got lucked out from an experience or unexperience rep that give him a permit.

Why, because a majority of us in here are unable to acquire the permit without the ORIGINAL ownership/title.

2. At the border, please check your GST invoice. Some officer(s) play fast and loose with the number.

Insist that they convert from the US to Canadian dollar, the final purchase price after all rebates and fees.

3. When you pay RIV fee and have CT stamps both form 1 and form 2. CT suppose to keep form 2 and fax it to RIV.

You don't have to pay a cent sinse it is already cover under the RIV fee.

4. Some licensing office insist that you get a Certificate of Safety from CT. It cost about $79.00.

As they explained to me that the vehicle it's been driven off the dealer lot and thus it's used.

However, that's not true, you don't need it. Try to explained to them that it's not required and if they insist for one. Go to another licensing office.


And lastly, I met Flaming Homer at the Queenston-Lewiston Canadian border building. We signed in almost at the same time.

[whampoa]

On a better note: 2007 Outback can now be bought in the US for $28,500 CANADIAN. With the $1500 cash back and Canadian dollar at .91 cents, a loaded 3.0R LLBean can be had for $30,000. WOW.

That is if the dealer can find one. It's next to impossible to locate one in the Northeast states. Let alone anywhere near Buffalo.

[yyz2hkg]

On a better note: 2007 Outback can now be bought in the US for $28,500 CANADIAN. With the $1500 cash back and Canadian dollar at .91 cents, a loaded 3.0R LLBean can be had for $30,000. WOW.

WoW is right, I thought I got a great deal when I bought last year when the dollar was @89 cents...Now is the time guys/gals, don't miss out if you're looking for a new car.

[waljo88]

What do the temp plates look like.

Ive seen them in Ontario many times, those plates that hang off. Are these temp plates the same thing.


Also, Im seeing what some of you are saying about my sales tax predicament. Some dealers are offering me good prices, but are insisting on the sales tax for the 2007 Toyota Camry.


What if I were to use an address from one of these states, Alaska, Delaware, Montana, New Hampshire and Oregon, which dont collect sales taxes.

Is this one way around the problem. I havent really found a dealer willing to sell to a Canadian address.

[shopper-X]

What do the temp plates look like.

Ive seen them in Ontario many times, those plates that hang off. Are these temp plates the same thing.

No this is what they look like: (found from http://www.plateshack.com/y2k/Ontario2/on2y2k.html)
http://www.plateshack.com/y2k/Ontario2/ON-TEMP.jpg

[yyz2hkg]

I still have the temp plate from the states...if I have some time, i'll post it here.

[slothy@cutey]

It would be helpful for a list of manufactures that WILL, WILL NOT, or WILL WITH CONDITIONS, honour warranties on US vehicles.

I read through every post, but am still unclear if Hyundai honours warranty on cars purchased from US dealers?

Anyone have any experience with US Hyundai's in canada?

[flaming homer]

I wanted to say that I've completed my import procedure today. A few notes from my experience:

- The bus to Buffalo sucks. While it is a cheap and direct way to travel to the dealership, the US border took forever to clear everyone, don't believe the scheduled arrival time, luckyly my dealer did not and waited around for me.

- It was a little tricky finding the US custom vehicles export office at Queenston-Lewiston Bridge. You have to cut across the US bound lanes (all 12 or so of them) to get to the "warehouse" on the south side. Once there the whole thing took less than 5 minutes. Advise here is that you should know when your dealer faxed the necessary documentation to that office, it looks like they have a massive amount of filings and a date of their receipt helps the track down your information.

- I was told by Canada Customs that I've neglected to report taking out a US$ bank draft over CAD$ 10,000. I did not know that was necessary, and it was not possible to do while on a bus. I suppose I was should have telephoned them ahead of time.

- Thanks to the very good advise of NOT paying the RIV fee at the border, and pay it in person instead. I managed to pay the RIV fee, get the inspection at Canadian Tire, and register with the Provincial Licensing all the same day. In addition to the 8% PST, there is a $10 registration fee.

- The dealer wasn't certain that RIV was going to accept the notarized clearance letter from the dealer, but the RIV "letter" that I received at the RIV office stated "dealer/manufacturer letter". So I suppose for new cars the dealer letter is enough.

- So while the main disavantage in in wiring the payment to the dealer ahead of time is pre-paying for something you don't yet have, you should consider doing just that. It saves you the trouble of declaring to Canada Customs, have the original "Ownership" mailed to you in time in getting the temporary provincial plates, and the dealer requesting a manufacturer letter of clearence (they can't do that until the car is "sold" by full payment).

At the end of the day, I never had a temporary Ontario plate. However, in the spirit of the law, I spent the entire time driving on the temporary NY plates in getting the car provincially plated.

Thanks again OP and everyone else that contributed. I would be happy to answer any questions via PM. I purchased a 2007 Subaru Forester 2.5X Premium from Northtown Subaru in Buffalo.

(Hey Wompoa, it was nice to meet you - Van Bortel was just too far for me to get to)

[flaming homer]

Also, Im seeing what some of you are saying about my sales tax predicament. Some dealers are offering me good prices, but are insisting on the sales tax for the 2007 Toyota Camry.
While registering today at a MTO office, the clerked asked another one if I'm tax exempt (I am not). She further goes on and tells if me the car is title elsewhere TO ME and I would not have to pay Ontario tax. If true, and considering Ontario tax is 8%, go ahead an pay the lower US state tax rate (NY is 8.25% I think, so not a great deal) and go that route.

I will be looking into this issue closer WRT importing a Lexus from Florida in the upcomin months. Still need time for RIV to clear 2008 RX350...

[lindmar]

It would be helpful for a list of manufactures that WILL, WILL NOT, or WILL WITH CONDITIONS, honour warranties on US vehicles.

I read through every post, but am still unclear if Hyundai honours warranty on cars purchased from US dealers?

Anyone have any experience with US Hyundai's in canada?

Just search the thread.
This has been talked about.

[yyz2hkg]

It would be helpful for a list of manufactures that WILL, WILL NOT, or WILL WITH CONDITIONS, honour warranties on US vehicles.

I read through every post, but am still unclear if Hyundai honours warranty on cars purchased from US dealers?

Anyone have any experience with US Hyundai's in canada?


Posted Earlier by Rehan:

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1089211&postcount=22

[lindmar]

I found an impreza wagon I like..

I think between the Outback Sport and the Impreza 2.5i Wagon, it's only some trim details. I realize this is built in Japan and will be subject to Duty.. Still a good deal could be had I think...

My only concern is servicing..

Regular oil changes and maintenance.. can this be done anywhere on a subaru? I'm in the Windsor area and we don't have a local subaru.. closes one is in Sarnia!

[scouzi]

I'm in the process of buying one myselft but when I called a few borders in Vermont and New York, they all told me that they wanted the ORIGINAL title 72 hours prior and that it had to be brought in in PERSON - not faxed, not mailed.

Anyone receive this information too?

[lindmar]

If anyone can shed some light on Subaru servicing that would be great....

Re: oil changes, regular maintanece

can this all be done at any mechanic?
I understand warranty work will need to be done at subaru, if needs be.. can I take it to the US dealer where I bought it?

Or will I need to drive to Sarnia or London..

Thanks

[Supershyguy]

If anyone can shed some light on Subaru servicing that would be great....

Re: oil changes, regular maintanece

can this all be done at any mechanic?
I understand warranty work will need to be done at subaru, if needs be.. can I take it to the US dealer where I bought it?

Or will I need to drive to Sarnia or London..

Thanks

you will be fine. lots of shop knows subarus very well

[lindmar]

you will be fine. lots of shop knows subarus very well

But will I be voiding any warranty to have regular maintenance done by a regular mechanic or oil change place...

any my last question.. is anyone else bothered by the "lesbaru" tag?
I told some friends in Toronto I was going to buy a Subaru in the US and they said.. only lesbarus buy subarus...they are driven by lesbians..

[JWL]

any my last question.. is anyone else bothered by the "lesbaru" tag?
I told some friends in Toronto I was going to buy a Subaru in the US and they said.. only lesbarus buy subarus...they are driven by lesbians..

Just wanted to capture that comment in a quote before you realize how stupid that question is and go back and edit your comment.

I see a major thread tangent happening right about here.

[inspire]

I'm in the process of buying one myselft but when I called a few borders in Vermont and New York, they all told me that they wanted the ORIGINAL title 72 hours prior and that it had to be brought in in PERSON - not faxed, not mailed.

Anyone receive this information too?
This is not true -- I faxed the title from the dealership. I called them ahead of time to give them advanced notice I was faxing the title and the intention to purchase this car for importation. Now ... this is the US border agency that receives this fax. After the 72 hours, you give them the ORIGINAL title and they will get a notary stamp to say it has left the US so that you give the stamped title to Canada Customs.

My question is this: when on earth will the dealership give you the original title ...? After you've paid for it. So the border wants you to go to the dealership and bring the title to the Border Agency ... then come back in 72 hours to pick up your car and go through the same process (re: showing them the title)? That is ridiculous. I'd advise you to find another border crossing. :mad:

[scouzi]

This is not true -- I faxed the title from the dealership. I called them ahead of time to give them advanced notice I was faxing the title and the intention to purchase this car for importation. Now ... this is the US border agency that receives this fax. After the 72 hours, you give them the ORIGINAL title and they will get a notary stamp to say it has left the US so that you give the stamped title to Canada Customs.

My question is this: when on earth will the dealership give you the original title ...? After you've paid for it. So the border wants you to go to the dealership and bring the title to the Border Agency ... then come back in 72 hours to pick up your car and go through the same process (re: showing them the title)? That is ridiculous. I'd advise you to find another border crossing. :mad:

That's what I was told when I called 3 different Vermont crossings this morning. I'm just repeating what I was told. They specifically inisisted that mailing or faxing them in is NOT an option. That's what scares me. The procedure seems different depending on where you cross. They also told me I can only export during regular business hours - 8:00-4pm, mon-fri.

Maybe it's a Vermont thing.

[scouzi]

But will I be voiding any warranty to have regular maintenance done by a regular mechanic or oil change place...

any my last question.. is anyone else bothered by the "lesbaru" tag?
I told some friends in Toronto I was going to buy a Subaru in the US and they said.. only lesbarus buy subarus...they are driven by lesbians..

Well, I'm not a Lesbian - but I LOVE women!

Maybe it's because the Tribeca's front end has been compared to a flying vagina is some car magazines :)

[lindmar]

Just wanted to capture that comment in a quote before you realize how stupid that question is and go back and edit your comment.

I see a major thread tangent happening right about here.


I'm just saying what I had people say to me. SO I went home and searched the term "lesbaru" it really is a term being associated with Subarus.

I'm just curious what people think about that. Taken from the site..

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=lesbaru

A late model Subaru, typically a wagon, seen being driven by a woman; these vehicles are (seemingly) often purchased and driven by lesbians.

My fiance's freind called yesterday, she said she got hit on by a random hot lesbian- because of her car. "I told her I was straight!" she said. The girl was surprised.. "But..you're driving Subaru.."

I told her before her car was a lesbaru!


A man whose masculinity is in doubt after the purchase of a practical, family car such as a Subaru

Man, Brent is such a lesbaru. Why didn't he get a Durango?



Due to the fact that every Subaru owner is a flaming lesdyke, the term describes every Subaru or Subaru owner. Some characteristics include:
1. Hairy orafices
2. "Alternative lifestyle"
3. Totally macks on chicks

1.Hey, pull up next to that lesbaru so we can point and giggle at those lesbians.

2.Look at those two lesbarus make out.

[ryehigh17]

On a better note: 2007 Outback can now be bought in the US for $28,500 CANADIAN. With the $1500 cash back and Canadian dollar at .91 cents, a loaded 3.0R LLBean can be had for $30,000. WOW.


Are you saying that this is the "on the road" price? In other words, is this price after taxes and exchange? If so, I may have to revise my "wait till next year" mentality...

[lindmar]

Are you saying that this is the "on the road" price? In other words, is this price after taxes and exchange? If so, I may have to revise my "wait till next year" mentality...


I dont think so. I found a couple in stock in Michigan and they are still listed at 32k us for a loaded one

[DSTU]

But will I be voiding any warranty to have regular maintenance done by a regular mechanic or oil change place...

any my last question.. is anyone else bothered by the "lesbaru" tag?
I told some friends in Toronto I was going to buy a Subaru in the US and they said.. only lesbarus buy subarus...they are driven by lesbians..

are you 12?

[lindmar]

are you 12?

Are you 12?
I've been doing a lot of reading on this.

http://gaylife.about.com/od/gayproductreviews/tp/gaycars.htm

Subaru Outback did make the top 10 gay cars of 2007. #7

I was just asking if people get this from people? I'm merely saying what people said to me when I told them I was buying a subaru. I had just never heard this before until the people I know said this was a well known thing in bigger cities like Toronto.

[michelb]

...
On a better note: 2007 Outback can now be bought in the US for $28,500 CANADIAN. With the $1500 cash back and Canadian dollar at .91 cents, a loaded 3.0R LLBean can be had for $30,000. WOW.

I dont think so. I found a couple in stock in Michigan and they are still listed at 32k us for a loaded one

I think the key here is that you have to find a 2007 somewhere (I've seen a few 2007s but no LLBeans anywhere). The 32k ones are probably 2008s (if they are 2007 make them a lowball offer - you should be able to get it for significantly under invoice since most dealerships now have the 2008s on the lot so the 2007s have to be gone asap).

[lindmar]

I think the key here is that you have to find a 2007 somewhere (I've seen a few 2007s but no LLBeans anywhere). The 32k ones are probably 2008s (if they are 2007 make them a lowball offer - you should be able to get it for significantly under invoice since most dealerships now have the 2008s on the lot so the 2007s have to be gone asap).

Is the outback sport a US only model? I can't find it on the subaru.ca website

[DSTU]

It would be helpful for a list of manufactures that WILL, WILL NOT, or WILL WITH CONDITIONS, honour warranties on US vehicles.

I read through every post, but am still unclear if Hyundai honours warranty on cars purchased from US dealers?

Anyone have any experience with US Hyundai's in canada?

Why don't you call them up?

[whampoa]

Are you 12?
I've been doing a lot of reading on this.

http://gaylife.about.com/od/gayproductreviews/tp/gaycars.htm

Subaru Outback did make the top 10 gay cars of 2007. #7

I was just asking if people get this from people? I'm merely saying what people said to me when I told them I was buying a subaru. I had just never heard this before until the people I know said this was a well known thing in bigger cities like Toronto.

Lindmar,

It's all true. Subaru is for lesbian, you have to bring the title to the border in person

and you have to wait there for over 72 hours, before you can cross the border.

Now I wish you all the luck in the world and bring over some of your lesbians friend.

We'll have a good time, you heard!

[DSTU]

Are you 12?
I've been doing a lot of reading on this.

http://gaylife.about.com/od/gayproductreviews/tp/gaycars.htm

Subaru Outback did make the top 10 gay cars of 2007. #7

I was just asking if people get this from people? I'm merely saying what people said to me when I told them I was buying a subaru. I had just never heard this before until the people I know said this was a well known thing in bigger cities like Toronto.

Why do you read gay publications?

I'd say you are more like 8 and are just figuring out things in the real world.

I wouldn't say an STI or WRX are gay autos.

[flaming homer]

While registering today at a MTO office, the clerked asked another one if I'm tax exempt (I am not). She further goes on and tells if me the car is title elsewhere TO ME and I would not have to pay Ontario tax. If true, and considering Ontario tax is 8%, go ahead an pay the lower US state tax rate (NY is 8.25% I think, so not a great deal) and go that route.

I will be looking into this issue closer WRT importing a Lexus from Florida in the upcomin months. Still need time for RIV to clear 2008 RX350...
Forget I said this, the Ontario Ministry of Transport site specifically states that all cars are charged PST, only people MOVING to Ontario are exempt.

Back to finding a Lexus dealer in South Florida that can take care the paperwork for an "export" procedure....

[michelb]

Is the outback sport a US only model? I can't find it on the subaru.ca website

Not sure if you can get it in Canada or not but the Outback Sport is really a "Impreza in 'Outback' trim" (all other Outbacks are Subaru "Legacy's"). With that said, it's most likely built in Japan so you'll have to pay duty on it (I think if you add the duty, the Outback Sport will probably be around the same price (or more) as the 'real' Outbacks so you might want to go for that instead (I think the only reason to import the 'Impreza' over the 'Legacy' is if you want the WRX or STi.

[lindmar]

Not sure if you can get it in Canada or not but the Outback Sport is really a "Impreza in 'Outback' trim" (all other Outbacks are Subaru "Legacy's"). With that said, it's most likely built in Japan so you'll have to pay duty on it (I think if you add the duty, the Outback Sport will probably be around the same price (or more) as the 'real' Outbacks so you might want to go for that instead (I think the only reason to import the 'Impreza' over the 'Legacy' is if you want the WRX or STi.

Yeah,

The sport is for sure built in Japan but with that being said, I really like the look of it over the regular outback.

I like the two tone color and the smaller size..

Not sure I'm a huge fan yet of the full size outback.
I did the math and assuming I can get the deal I'm thinking in my head..

When all is said and done I can get home a 2007 Outback Sport loaded with options, automatic.. for 24,834 CDN taxes, duty & exchange.

Still cheaper than the Jeep patriot I was looking at.

[slothy@cutey]

Posted Earlier by Rehan:

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1089211&postcount=22

Thanks. I don't know how I missed that... it didn't come up when searching the thread either...

[rascal]

Thanks. I don't know how I missed that... it didn't come up when searching the thread either...

Actually it looks like its from another thread in the Motor Vehicles forum so you wouldn't have found it searching here. The post is from 2004 but I assume it would still apply.

[Gromit]

Guys, you might want to check your facts. Driving with an out of province/state temporary permit in Ontario is an offence. I've confirmed that with both the OPP and Toronto Police. While it is a grey area, the reasoning for a temporary permit is to permit you permit you to take your vehicle home prior to licensing. It also allows you to travel to your residence while crossing jurisdictions. In Ontario, a vehicle CANNOT be driven with a temporary permit unless it's going into an inpection, licensing or repair centre. My insurance company confirmed this statement and INSISTED that I not drive the car until it was properly plated.

I don't see why folks who are saving THOUSANDS of dollars quibble over a few bucks.

It's not about being cheap. It's about being told different things. Some folks have been told it's OK, others have been told it's not. You were told one way, and believe it. So do the others that have been told the opposite.

People in service positions *hate* to admit they don't know an answer. Ask someone "Does this widget fit my car?" and if they don't know the answer, inevitably they'll make something up, basically their best guess, instead of taking the time to find out the correct answer, ask their boss, etc.

Myself, I'm a facts guy. Show me the facts, somebody telling me something isn't usually enough. Point out which actual law it violates. I've read through the Ontario vehicle laws in the last few days, and I don't see a thing. There's talk about dealer plates being illegal, but that's not what we're talking about.

A temp plate is for getting the vehicle home, and to be used until you receive your real plate. And that's all anyone is doing here.

[Gromit]

That's what I was told when I called 3 different Vermont crossings this morning. I'm just repeating what I was told. They specifically inisisted that mailing or faxing them in is NOT an option. That's what scares me. The procedure seems different depending on where you cross. They also told me I can only export during regular business hours - 8:00-4pm, mon-fri.


I've read the US laws, and I'm 99.9% sure they actually require the original, and not a fax.

You've likely got a stickler who happens to know the actual laws. Most of us have gotten away with tired old vets who just let it pass. :)

Folks should always be prepared to have the original there 3 days in advance, but hope for the quick and easy route when they actually arrive.

[Monsieurmaggot]

That is if the dealer can find one. It's next to impossible to locate one in the Northeast states. Let alone anywhere near Buffalo.

I just checked one dealership in Buffalo: West Herr has at least a dozen 2007 Outback units ranging from the base 2.5i to the XT. Sadly no LLBeans

I would imagine that Northtown and Van Bortel have the same amount in stock.

The base models can be had for well under $25,000 Canadian

[scouzi]

I've read the US laws, and I'm 99.9% sure they actually require the original, and not a fax.

You've likely got a stickler who happens to know the actual laws. Most of us have gotten away with tired old vets who just let it pass. :)

Folks should always be prepared to have the original there 3 days in advance, but hope for the quick and easy route when they actually arrive.

The problem in this case is that the original must be presented in PERSON 72 hours in avance! No snail mail, no Fedex, no UPS.

I got 3 sticklers since I called 3 different crossings.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Are you saying that this is the "on the road" price? In other words, is this price after taxes and exchange? If so, I may have to revise my "wait till next year" mentality...

That's the US driveaway price. Just add PST and GST.

The EXACT car I bought top-of-the-line Outback 3.0R LLBEAN with just about every option imaginable and tons of accessories can be bought for about $28,000 US. (about $30,500 Canadian)

As I mentioned, other models come in considerably less.

[Monsieurmaggot]

It's not about being cheap. It's about being told different things. Some folks have been told it's OK, others have been told it's not. You were told one way, and believe it. So do the others that have been told the opposite.

A temp plate is for getting the vehicle home, and to be used until you receive your real plate. And that's all anyone is doing here.

Fair enough comments Gromit. It looks like some are questioning whether the original bill of sale is required at some crossings. I would suppose that the amount of import traffic would have a bearing on the answer.

When I called US Customs (at Lewiston) during my import process, they confirmed that faxes were accepted. They never mentioned original copies. They did ask to see the original when I crossed.

[lindmar]

So is the general consensus that there really isnt much of a savings bringing back an impreza cause they are built in Japan?

I really like the impreza wagons over the outback wagons... much better priced..

even with duty.. if my math seems right still a 4-5k savings?

HAS anyone imported an impreza wagon or sedan? I noticed around page 40-50 a few members were talking about it..

[michelb]

The problem in this case is that the original must be presented in PERSON 72 hours in avance! No snail mail, no Fedex, no UPS.

I got 3 sticklers since I called 3 different crossings.

Fair enough comments Gromit. It looks like some are questioning whether the original bill of sale is required at some crossings. I would suppose that the amount of import traffic would have a bearing on the answer.

When I called US Customs (at Lewiston) during my import process, they confirmed that faxes were accepted. They never mentioned original copies. They did ask to see the original when I crossed.

If there's one thing I learned from dealing with US Borders Crossings is that they each interpret the rules as they want and there's pretty much nothing you can do about it.

Some POE will accept faxes (Sault Ste-Marie did when I went) but this is not the first time I hear of a POE requiring the original physical title.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I dont think so. I found a couple in stock in Michigan and they are still listed at 32k us for a loaded one

My loaded 3.0R LLBean was listed at 33+k US. That's nowhere near the driveaway or invoice price.

After incentives and rebates (including about $3500 Cdn. in accessories) my price was about $29k US. That included a $750 rebate. The rebate is now $1000 - $1500 depending on the model so the savings are even greater.

Tack on a .95% dollar and the savings are huge compared to Canada.

Here's an interesting fact: Over the past few months since I got my car, the driveaway purchase price in the US has dropped to about $30 - $30,500 Cdn. for the 3.0R. Add taxes and you're under $35,000.

The price in Canada hasn't dropped and for the same car is about $49k Canadian. Add taxes and PDI and you're over $55,000 That's a savings of almost $20,000!!!!! People who buy Subarus in Canada are really being hosed....

Do your own research and confirm this for yourself.

If the Canadian buck hits 95 cents, I might sell my US Subaru in Canada for $40k (still save someone serious coin), buy the exact same car in the US again and pocket $5000. That's what that auto importer in Oakville does. They're between a Subaru and BMW dealership off the QEW and specialize in imported BMWs and Subarus from Buffalo. My US dealer told me that they were approached by them recently offering to buy a lot of their higher-end 2007 Subaru stock. They'd pocket huge sums now that the Canadian buck is so high and the year-end rebates are in. The 2007 Tribeca rebate is $2750US. The base Outbacks are $1500US. I stopped by and was shocked to see that they mark up the cars by about $10,000 Canadian. WOW again.

[lindmar]

My loaded 3.0R LLBean was listed at 33+k US. That's nowhere near the driveaway or invoice price.

After incentives and rebates (including about $3500 Cdn. in accessories) my price was about $29k US. That included a $750 rebate. The rebate is now $1000 - $1500 depending on the model so the savings are even greater.

Tack on a .95% dollar and the savings are huge compared to Canada.

Here's an interesting fact: Over the past few months since I got my car, the driveaway purchase price in the US has dropped to about $30 - $30,500 Cdn. for the 3.0R. Add taxes and you're under $35,000.

The price in Canada hasn't dropped and for the same car is about $49k Canadian. Add taxes and PDI and you're over $55,000 That's a savings of almost $20,000!!!!! People who buy Subarus in Canada are really being hosed....

Do your own research and confirm this for yourself.

If the Canadian buck hits 95 cents, I might sell my US Subaru in Canada for $40k (still save someone serious coin), buy the exact same car in the US again and pocket $5000. That's what that auto importer in Oakville does. They're between a Subaru and BMW dealership off the QEW and specialize in imported BMWs and Subarus from Buffalo. My US dealer told me that they were approached by them recently offering to buy a lot of their higher-end 2007 Subaru stock. They'd pocket huge sums now that the Canadian buck is so high and the year-end rebates are in. The 2007 Tribeca rebate is $2750US. The base Outbacks are $1500US. I stopped by and was shocked to see that they mark up the cars by about $10,000 Canadian. WOW again.



I love when you chime in here! Cause you've done it.

OK, can you guys just confirm my math is right.
I found an impreza wagon I like.. Stick Price is $19674 US - $1000 Rebate
18674 - Assuming I can negotiate down another $1000 bucks...
$17674

Roughly
19,139.29 Canadian
GST + PST $2651 CDN
Duty 6.1 $1060

Plus extras... car is home for under $24 Canadian

Does that sound correct...

[flaming homer]

I love when you chime in here! Cause you've done it.

OK, can you guys just confirm my math is right.
I found an impreza wagon I like.. Stick Price is $19674 US - $1000 Rebate
18674 - Assuming I can negotiate down another $1000 bucks...
$17674

Roughly
19,139.29 Canadian
GST + PST $2651 CDN
Duty 6.1 $1060

Plus extras... car is home for under $24 Canadian

Does that sound correct...Without doing your math over, a few notes:

- The 6.1% duty is applied first, and then GST/PST is derived from that value
- Canada Customs uses the mid-market exchange rate, which is pretty damn good
- You're missing the $206 RIV fee, $100 air conditioning fee (if applicable), transportation cost to the US, and the US$ 3 (Assuming you're crossing at Queenston-Lewiston) bridge toll.

The Van Bortel web site is pretty competetive, gives you a good idea on what you can actually talk the dealer down to. You should be able to do better than what they've posted, but not by much (I think). Van Bortel also gives you a $75 internet coupon as soon as you contact them...

I see the Impreza rebate as $500 not $1000...

[tetris]

I am planning to buy a used Honda accord or Toyota Camry from US. Which states or cities have the lowest resale value, where you can buy it cheapest. What about Chicago, Denver or midwestern States?
Tetris

[lindmar]

Without doing your math over, a few notes:

- The 6.1% duty is applied first, and then GST/PST is derived from that value
- Canada Customs uses the mid-market exchange rate, which is pretty damn good
- You're missing the $206 RIV fee, $100 air conditioning fee (if applicable), transportation cost to the US, and the US$ 3 (Assuming you're crossing at Queenston-Lewiston) bridge toll.

The Van Bortel web site is pretty competetive, gives you a good idea on what you can actually talk the dealer down to. You should be able to do better than what they've posted, but not by much (I think). Van Bortel also gives you a $75 internet coupon as soon as you contact them...

I see the Impreza rebate as $500 not $1000...


Thanks for the reply. I did include the fees riv, air in the extras.. I accounted for about $500 in extras...

I'm not sure if its a hot deal or not, but I prefer the outback sport wagon (impreza trim) over the outback wagon...

Can anyone tell me why this wouldnt be a great deal...

still cheaper than the jeep patriot I drove today... and more unique..and I'm not buying in Buffalo.. I'd be crossing the ambassador and buying in Michigan.