WOW ---- New cars from US up to 30% cheaper (cost to import under $200)

[Benny]

If you want to avoid the GST and PST, that's a case for tax evasion. Never ever try to avoid paying the sales taxes because CBSA will get you at a later date. There's one guy here who learned this the hard way 6 months after he crossed the border.

You CANNOT avoid paying GST, PST and 6.1% duty on an imported car especially it's a Saab made in Sweden, be it new or used. It doesn't matter where the car will be registered with a temp tag. You will still pay GST at the border and PST when you register in Ontario. My advice is pay the sales taxes. They'll be lower anyway as a consequence of the car's declared value at the border.

My understanding is that your sister will not pay NJ sales tax because she's an out-of-state resident. She will be paying the sales tax in MD when she registers the car there.

I want to go about this legally, by using the laws put by MTO, CBSA, and USA, etc to my advantage as well. Why would I pay for the PST if it is gifted?

What do you mean by the car's declared value? The value on the sale contract by Adesa, or the going price of the car on the street?

If you have any suggestions i would appreciate it, thank you.

[freewheel]

What do you mean by the car's declared value? The value on the sale contract by Adesa, or the going price of the car on the street?

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If you have an official receipt of what you paid then that is what tax and duty will be based on. If you don't or they don't believe the price they will charge tax on the book value.

When I brought my car across 2 years ago, if I didn't have a dealers full receipt they would not have believed what I paid. At that time the same vehicle was selling in Canada for $14,000 more.

[Benny]

If you have an official receipt of what you paid then that is what tax and duty will be based on. If you don't or they don't believe the price they will charge tax on the book value.

When I brought my car across 2 years ago, if I didn't have a dealers full receipt they would not have believed what I paid. At that time the same vehicle was selling in Canada for $14,000 more.

Good to know, thank you for your valuable advice. I have the proof (sale contract) from Adesa.

Are you sure duty is charged on what I paid vs the actual value on the market?

Do you know if they tax GST & Duty according to what I paid for the car in American currency * the conversion to the canadian rate for that specific day OR the conversion rate the day i'm bringing the car over.

[michelb]

Just a bit more info on trying to avoid taxes by gifting it, even if it was your own car that was registered in the US, you still wouldn't be off the hook for taxes & duty. If you qualify as a 'returning Canadian living abroad' (or something like that), you'd only get a $10k exemption but you'd still be on the hook for the rest of the taxes (e.g. if you work in the US for 2 years and during that time were a 'non-resident' Canadian and purchased a $60k car in the US (and licenced it and paid taxes), when you return, if the car is worth $45k, you'd have to pay taxes and duty on $35k.

[scouzi]

Anyone getting the cold shoulders from Infiniti dealers for warranty work on their imported Infiniti?

[Sergio]

Benny to reduce risk, you want to do a deed of sale with your sister, and get an evaluation (in your favor), so when you go through Custom folks, that paper is used religiuosly by the DMV folks for PST collection.

Yes, duty + GST will be calculated on deed of sale amount price. If they accept, and you provide enough proof (certified cheque copy, ebay transaction, paypal transaction) you are ok, else , they can override your declared amound and proceed with black book value.

In my my case, I had the deed of sale + photocopy of certified cheque and that was good enough. My transaction was 15,000$ less than book value.

Good luck!
Sergio

Good to know, thank you for your valuable advice. I have the proof (sale contract) from Adesa.

Are you sure duty is charged on what I paid vs the actual value on the market?

Do you know if they tax GST & Duty according to what I paid for the car in American currency * the conversion to the canadian rate for that specific day OR the conversion rate the day i'm bringing the car over.

[Albertan]

Do you know if they tax GST & Duty according to what I paid for the car in American currency * the conversion to the canadian rate for that specific day OR the conversion rate the day i'm bringing the car over.


How poor are you that this is of a concern? a 10% swing in 5% GST is a non-factor.

[Benny]

Benny to reduce risk, you want to do a deed of sale with your sister, and get an evaluation (in your favor), so when you go through Custom folks, that paper is used religiuosly by the DMV folks for PST collection.

Yes, duty + GST will be calculated on deed of sale amount price. If they accept, and you provide enough proof (certified cheque copy, ebay transaction, paypal transaction) you are ok, else , they can override your declared amound and proceed with black book value.

In my my case, I had the deed of sale + photocopy of certified cheque and that was good enough. My transaction was 15,000$ less than book value.

Good luck!
Sergio

I think I'm just going to go and get the car myself and pay the taxes and duties on it, whatever it turns out to be. I thought that if my sister gifted it to my mom, then my mom to me, then I could legally avoid the PST, but i guess not.

The sale contract from Adesa has the seller (the leasing company) and buyer (the car dealer). My name is not on there anywhere. Do i need a deed of sale or an evaluation from the car dealer to myself? What do you mean by evaluation? Do you mean appraisal? My proof is the wire transfer from my bank account in the same amount mentioned on the adesa sale contract. Is that sufficient?

Do I need to register the car in New Jersey first? Or can I just drive it on a temp tag and insure it once it's in Canada? Please advise. To my understanding I can only insure it once it is registered in the province first correct?

FROM RIV: "You will need to provide CBP with your vehicle title documents, registration and sales receipts at least 72 hours prior to export". Does that mean an auction vehicle needs to be registered as well?

Is there anything else that you would suggest?

[cheapmother]

Hi,

I'm from Calgary and routinely spend time in Seattle working. I'm renting an apartment there and maybe spend 10 nights a month at it. I've got a Bank of America bank account as well well as internet, water, and electricity bills in my name at the address. I don't have a WA state driver's license and I'm not resident for tax purposes in the US.

My question is: what kind of options are available to me for purchasing a new vehicle and bringing it back to Calgary? Also, if anyone is interested in doing a deal, please PM me and we can discuss how I can help out.

Best Regards,

[Sergio]

Benny,

Here are some quick answers:


Yes, make sure your name is on deed of sale as buyer. This is something you can do as a 1 pager
No appraisel needed, if you will have deed of sale done, and signed by both parties (you + dealer)
The proof of wired amount is great if you have. This will assure customs/revenue folks that transaction is accurate and no BS
No need to get USA plate or temp plate. I called everyone on this, and the bottom line, is that if you drive the same day you do the import, it is considerred valid, since you have all documentation. You have to mention that you are driving car to Ontario DMV/MTO in your case, if you get stopped. With all my research with DMV folks on USA + Canada, and the Police, the conclusion was that it was ok to drive car within 24hrs of the import process.
NO, get insurance before you pickup car. I did not provide any details to insurance company about import, but they faxed me same day proof of insurance. Insurance folks usually need a VIN number, make, model, color, Year Mfg, owner....
[ ] YES, any used car original title papers must be sent/mailed to US EXport folks to your border of choice. I asked the seller to do this for me.


Good luck!
Sergio


I think I'm just going to go and get the car myself and pay the taxes and duties on it, whatever it turns out to be. I thought that if my sister gifted it to my mom, then my mom to me, then I could legally avoid the PST, but i guess not.

The sale contract from Adesa has the seller (the leasing company) and buyer (the car dealer). My name is not on there anywhere. Do i need a deed of sale or an evaluation from the car dealer to myself? What do you mean by evaluation? Do you mean appraisal? My proof is the wire transfer from my bank account in the same amount mentioned on the adesa sale contract. Is that sufficient?

Do I need to register the car in New Jersey first? Or can I just drive it on a temp tag and insure it once it's in Canada? Please advise. To my understanding I can only insure it once it is registered in the province first correct?

FROM RIV: "You will need to provide CBP with your vehicle title documents, registration and sales receipts at least 72 hours prior to export". Does that mean an auction vehicle needs to be registered as well?

Is there anything else that you would suggest?

[HP_John]

Anyone getting the cold shoulders from Infiniti dealers for warranty work on their imported Infiniti?

No problem with the dealer, they call up Infiniti USA to verify there is still valid warranty on the car & that Infiniti USA will reimburse them for the work.

This is with Alta Infiniti, in Woodbridge, Ont. They've always treated me with respect regardless of the fact I imported my car & that I'm relatively young

[michelb]

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No need to get USA plate or temp plate. I called everyone on this, and the bottom line, is that if you drive the same day you do the import, it is considerred valid, since you have all documentation. You have to mention that you are driving car to Ontario DMV/MTO in your case, if you get stopped. With all my research with DMV folks on USA + Canada, and the Police, the conclusion was that it was ok to drive car within 24hrs of the import process.
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I'm pretty skeptical about that. In fact, when I drove through the US customs (at Ogdensburg), they insisted on seeing my temp permit.

[diigii]

Driving in the USA with no valid tags, even if it's temporary tag, is a felony. Especially you are crossing state lines.

When I bought my car in MD, the dealer mentioned that the car will not be released with no temp tag and insurance because it's against state law. It's also for your protection and the dealer's protection in case an accident happened and there are resulting fatalities.

For a $20 temp tag, are you willing to take the risk?

Benny,

Here are some quick answers:

No need to get USA plate or temp plate. I called everyone on this, and the bottom line, is that if you drive the same day you do the import, it is considerred valid, since you have all documentation. You have to mention that you are driving car to Ontario DMV/MTO in your case, if you get stopped. With all my research with DMV folks on USA + Canada, and the Police, the conclusion was that it was ok to drive car within 24hrs of the import process.

Good luck!
Sergio

[Benny]

Benny,

Here are some quick answers:


Yes, make sure your name is on deed of sale as buyer. This is something you can do as a 1 pager
No appraisel needed, if you will have deed of sale done, and signed by both parties (you + dealer)
The proof of wired amount is great if you have. This will assure customs/revenue folks that transaction is accurate and no BS
No need to get USA plate or temp plate. I called everyone on this, and the bottom line, is that if you drive the same day you do the import, it is considerred valid, since you have all documentation. You have to mention that you are driving car to Ontario DMV/MTO in your case, if you get stopped. With all my research with DMV folks on USA + Canada, and the Police, the conclusion was that it was ok to drive car within 24hrs of the import process.
NO, get insurance before you pickup car. I did not provide any details to insurance company about import, but they faxed me same day proof of insurance. Insurance folks usually need a VIN number, make, model, color, Year Mfg, owner....
[ ] YES, any used car original title papers must be sent/mailed to US EXport folks to your border of choice. I asked the seller to do this for me.


Good luck!
Sergio

When I call my insurance today to insure the vehicle while it is still in NJ, who is the owner, Me or the dealer?

Do I need to register the car in NJ and pay NJ sales tax to in order for US Customs to allow me to export the car? Or can I drive it to the border with the deed of sale between the dealer and myself without registering the car in NJ and paying the sales tax. If I have to register the car, if I tell them i'm going to export the car, will they waive the taxes like diigii said in an earlier post?

[perfchris]

You will NOT pay taxes until you register the vehicle. You should ask the dealer for a temp tag, most places it costs 10-30 dollars, show the dealer that you are an out of state resident and he will copy your info for his records and off you go !


When I call my insurance today to insure the vehicle while it is still in NJ, who is the owner, Me or the dealer?

Do I need to register the car in NJ and pay NJ sales tax to in order for US Customs to allow me to export the car? Or can I drive it to the border with the deed of sale between the dealer and myself without registering the car in NJ and paying the sales tax. If I have to register the car, if I tell them i'm going to export the car, will they waive the taxes like diigii said in an earlier post?

[Sergio]

I asked 2 sources to make the decision to proceed without a temporay tag, in my case:

NY State Police
Surete Quebec


They both confirmed that with the original title stamped "export" from US export folks, and deed of sale, there is a tolerance that is "non-documented" allowing you to fall in that gray zone, therefore the process to produce an infraction is too complicated for Police.

I called by local DMV (SAQ), they do not offer temporary tags anymore, any they confirmed with proper paperwork in the car during the "transit" stage, and with your intention is to drive an un-tagged vehicle directly to DMV office for plate, is ok.

I don't remember what NY State DMV folks wanted for temp tag, and not sure if they offer them?? Also not sure if I get stuck paying local taxes if I would have recv'd a temp tag from NY DMV??? Since car was located 5 minutes away from border, with above information I got from NY + QC police, I decided to proceed without any temporary tags for 24hrs.

If you can get a temporary tag, and do not pay any state taxes, I would suggest you proceed with this option, since it would only cost aprx 20-50$ depending of state. This process will add 1-2hours to your process and you must work around their scheduled open offices.

My car was 5 minutes from border (champlain, NY) and 20min for NY DMV office.

Good points!
Sergio


Driving in the USA with no valid tags, even if it's temporary tag, is a felony. Especially you are crossing state lines.

When I bought my car in MD, the dealer mentioned that the car will not be released with no temp tag and insurance because it's against state law. It's also for your protection and the dealer's protection in case an accident happened and there are resulting fatalities.

For a $20 temp tag, are you willing to take the risk?

[Sergio]

I would tell them you are the owner, if you say dealer, they will not be able to issue you any insurance. It is understood dealer will transfer title to you.

Get the insurance activated 24hrs prior to your pickup.

If you proceed with temp tag in NJ, you may want to call their office directly to get the facts regarding temp tag and taxes at (609) 292-6500. It makes sense that if you are exporting car, and you provide proof (title stamped by US export office), you should be ok.

Good luck!
Sergio

When I call my insurance today to insure the vehicle while it is still in NJ, who is the owner, Me or the dealer?

Do I need to register the car in NJ and pay NJ sales tax to in order for US Customs to allow me to export the car? Or can I drive it to the border with the deed of sale between the dealer and myself without registering the car in NJ and paying the sales tax. If I have to register the car, if I tell them i'm going to export the car, will they waive the taxes like diigii said in an earlier post?

[Benny]

You will NOT pay taxes until you register the vehicle. You should ask the dealer for a temp tag, most places it costs 10-30 dollars, show the dealer that you are an out of state resident and he will copy your info for his records and off you go !


So i don't need to pay taxes in NJ/ USA if I'm an out of state resident (Ontario) exporting a car to Ontario(on the same day) correct? Only if i get a temp tag correct?

[Benny]

I asked 2 sources to make the decision to proceed without a temporay tag, in my case:

NY State Police
Surete Quebec


They both confirmed that with the original title stamped "export" from US export folks, and deed of sale, there is a tolerance that is "non-documented" allowing you to fall in that gray zone, therefore the process to produce an infraction is too complicated for Police.

I called by local DMV (SAQ), they do not offer temporary tags anymore, any they confirmed with proper paperwork in the car during the "transit" stage, and with your intention is to drive an un-tagged vehicle directly to DMV office for plate, is ok.

I don't remember what NY State DMV folks wanted for temp tag, and not sure if they offer them?? Also not sure if I get stuck paying local taxes if I would have recv'd a temp tag from NY DMV??? Since car was located 5 minutes away from border, with above information I got from NY + QC police, I decided to proceed without any temporary tags for 24hrs.

If you can get a temporary tag, and do not pay any state taxes, I would suggest you proceed with this option, since it would only cost aprx 20-50$ depending of state. This process will add 1-2hours to your process and you must work around their scheduled open offices.

My car was 5 minutes from border (champlain, NY) and 20min for NY DMV office.

Good points!
Sergio

Does the temp tag need to be under my name? or it doesn't matter?

[Benny]

I would tell them you are the owner, if you say dealer, they will not be able to issue you any insurance. It is understood dealer will transfer title to you.

Get the insurance activated 24hrs prior to your pickup.

If you proceed with temp tag in NJ, you may want to call their office directly to get the facts regarding temp tag and taxes at (609) 292-6500. It makes sense that if you are exporting car, and you provide proof (title stamped by US export office), you should be ok.

Good luck!
Sergio

excellent, i'll go ahead and give them a call tomorrow.

Does anyone know how long it takes to get a recall clearance letter from Saab?

[Benny]

Used cars do not have to be licensed in the USA correct?

[Monsieurmaggot]

I asked 2 sources to make the decision to proceed without a temporay tag, in my case:

NY State Police
Surete Quebec


They both confirmed that with the original title stamped "export" from US export folks, and deed of sale, there is a tolerance that is "non-documented" allowing you to fall in that gray zone, therefore the process to produce an infraction is too complicated for Police.

I called by local DMV (SAQ), they do not offer temporary tags anymore, any they confirmed with proper paperwork in the car during the "transit" stage, and with your intention is to drive an un-tagged vehicle directly to DMV office for plate, is ok.

I don't remember what NY State DMV folks wanted for temp tag, and not sure if they offer them?? Also not sure if I get stuck paying local taxes if I would have recv'd a temp tag from NY DMV??? Since car was located 5 minutes away from border, with above information I got from NY + QC police, I decided to proceed without any temporary tags for 24hrs.

If you can get a temporary tag, and do not pay any state taxes, I would suggest you proceed with this option, since it would only cost aprx 20-50$ depending of state. This process will add 1-2hours to your process and you must work around their scheduled open offices.

My car was 5 minutes from border (champlain, NY) and 20min for NY DMV office.

Good points!
Sergio

You won't be able to drive a car off the lot in NY State without paying their DMW for a transit permit and providing proof of insurance. REGARDLESS of how far you drive.

[diigii]

I don't know how credible your sources are (and I'm not saying I doubt you if you have first-hand knowledge) but it's not advisable to drive a car in the US with no temporary tags.

And just to clarify your statement, you will NOT have a stamped "Export" on the original title while travelling through numerous states UNTIL you reach the US Customs office at Niagara Falls or wherever border crossing you are going thru where they do the actual stamping after you clear the 72 hours waiting period required.

And as for buying a car in MD, YES you can get a temporary tag without paying the sales tax when you buy the car. The temp tag is just to give you the privilege to drive the car off the dealer's lot on your way to final destination where you register it permanently. The dealership where I bought my car arranged for the temporary tag on behalf of me. That's why I had peace of mind driving around Maryland, Virginia, DC, and thru PA and NY states on my way home, since I was on vacation that week when I picked up my car.

I asked 2 sources to make the decision to proceed without a temporay tag, in my case:

NY State Police
Surete Quebec


They both confirmed that with the original title stamped "export" from US export folks, and deed of sale, there is a tolerance that is "non-documented" allowing you to fall in that gray zone, therefore the process to produce an infraction is too complicated for Police.

I called by local DMV (SAQ), they do not offer temporary tags anymore, any they confirmed with proper paperwork in the car during the "transit" stage, and with your intention is to drive an un-tagged vehicle directly to DMV office for plate, is ok.

I don't remember what NY State DMV folks wanted for temp tag, and not sure if they offer them?? Also not sure if I get stuck paying local taxes if I would have recv'd a temp tag from NY DMV??? Since car was located 5 minutes away from border, with above information I got from NY + QC police, I decided to proceed without any temporary tags for 24hrs.

If you can get a temporary tag, and do not pay any state taxes, I would suggest you proceed with this option, since it would only cost aprx 20-50$ depending of state. This process will add 1-2hours to your process and you must work around their scheduled open offices.

My car was 5 minutes from border (champlain, NY) and 20min for NY DMV office.

Good points!
Sergio

[Sergio]

So, in my case, here where my steps:

Negotiate final price with seller
Get local dealer to verify car at my expense, and seller brings car to dealer
Exchange title for certified cheque via buddy I trust USA town
my Friend mails title to USA export office
Call bonded transport company for deliver car from Florida to Champlain, NY
Get insurance on car
When bonded transport company delivers car to Champlain, I prepare trip to USA
At Border crossing I swing to USA export office to pickup stamped title
Drive to Champlain, NY transport company
Pay transport company 500$ for services
My wife takes possesion of new vehicle and drives to border (5 min away)
I follow wife, and watching every move she does on new car :)
Declare new car to customs officer
Provide all proof to customs office folks
Pay GST & RIV fees
Drive untagged new car to local Canadian Tire for federal inspection
Drive untagged new car to local DMV (SAQ) in home province
Pay QST and recv new plate


While car was being transported, US Export office already recieved title for processing.

I would not change my process on next purchase.

If I fly down, and drive car to Canada, I would make sure title is shipped before I drive through customs.

Hope this helps others...
Sergio

I don't know how credible your sources are (and I'm not saying I doubt you if you have first-hand knowledge) but it's not advisable to drive a car in the US with no temporary tags.

And just to clarify your statement, you will NOT have a stamped "Export" on the original title while travelling through numerous states UNTIL you reach the US Customs office at Niagara Falls or wherever border crossing you are going thru where they do the actual stamping after you clear the 72 hours waiting period required.....

[Sergio]

I purchased car from a private seller, so I had no problem driving car.

I had proof of insurance.

Guys, don't get me wrong, if I had a choice I do strongly suggest you get the local temp tag, in my case, the timing did not work, and I was minutes away from border, and NY troopers I talked to, mentioned that I fell in gray zone for them to enforce. I did take a risk, since not all officers think the same.

Sergio

You won't be able to drive a car off the lot in NY State without paying their DMW for a transit permit and providing proof of insurance. REGARDLESS of how far you drive.

[Sergio]

Guys,

I'm planning to get another car in the USA, and need to know some recent stories on the import process of a used BMW 3 series, here are my questions:


What are the duties charged on a car made in Germany?
Is a recall letter from a USA BMW dealer good enough for customs folks?
I don't care about BMW Canada warranty, who will enforce if I get cluster changed?
What about DRL, I have no interest on BMW Canada dealer doing this, how can they enforce this? I have a buddy with proper tools to configure DRL on USA BMW cars, therefore for federal inspection at Canadian Tire, it will pass, is this good enough?
Anything else?


Thanks...
Sergio

[freewheel]

Guys,

I'm planning to get another car in the USA, and need to know some recent stories on the import process of a used BMW 3 series, here are my questions:


What are the duties charged on a car made in Germany?



6.1%



Is a recall letter from a USA BMW dealer good enough for customs folks?


Customs doesn't care, The RIV will accept (or at least they used to) you can call them and ask. There are reports of BMW Canada not honouring warranty if you don't get it from them. Also most US dealers will not provide it.


I don't care about BMW Canada warranty, who will enforce if I get cluster changed?

As long as you get the recall and it passes inspection,, no cluster change is required if km/hr markings are somewhere on there


What about DRL, I have no interest on BMW Canada dealer doing this, how can they enforce this? I have a buddy with proper tools to configure DRL on USA BMW cars, therefore for federal inspection at Canadian Tire, it will pass, is this good enough?


Yup, it's good enough. Only reason to get done at BMW is to get letter. I had my US dealer do it for me as condition of sale.


Anything else?


Thanks...
Sergio

freewheel

[JPTN]

I'm planning to get another car in the USA, and need to know some recent stories on the import process of a used BMW 3 series.
Check out the import thread on MaxBimmer. Should answer all your BMW-specific questions: http://www.maxbimmer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115993&page=2

[Sergio]

Freewill, thanks for quick reply.

Glad to hear that after import we are not obligated to go to BMW $tealership for DRL and BS cluster change.

So to summarize, here it is:

6.1% to be paid at Customs on all BMW's made in Germany
Recall letter from BMW Canada costs $$$, from the USA, it can be free, if you have good relationship and do some services at shop, it my case, I would pay BMW USA dealer for full inspection, and provide recall status letter
All USA BMW's have miles + km listed on cluster, not sure why some were stuck paying 2,000 to 3,000$ for cluster change by BMW Canada Dealers after import.
DRL fix can be done anywhere, and verified by Federal authorised garage (ie Canadian Tire)


Take care...
Sergio

[Sergio]

Nice link!!!!

Class action suit is finally working, and making it easier for us to import a BMW from the USA. Screw the BMW Canada folks trying to create a monoply within a free trade environment.

Ciao...
Sergio

Check out the import thread on MaxBimmer. Should answer all your BMW-specific questions: http://www.maxbimmer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115993&page=2

[frt]

Hi guys,

I'm looking to buy a Subaru Forester 2.5X Limited from US (Seattle). Does anyone can provide some info with regard to Subaru dealers that would sell for Canadians?

Thanks in advance!

[yangpa]

Hi guys,

I'm looking to buy a Subaru Forester 2.5X Limited from US (Seattle). Does anyone can provide some info with regard to Subaru dealers that would sell for Canadians?

Thanks in advance!

Thought Subaru US stopped honoring Canadian warranty for 2008 model and on ... any way around it?

Paul

[Danno2005]

Thought Subaru US stopped honoring Canadian warranty for 2008 model and on ... any way around it?

Paul

http://www.apa.ca/template.asp?DocID=253#SUBARU

[wackojacko]

Thought Subaru US stopped honoring Canadian warranty for 2008 model and on ... any way around it?

Paul

I can confirm that they honour it. Just received a cheque from Subaru America for my wiper blades on my 08 Tribeca, $45. BTW wiper blades are not covered by the Canadian Warranty.

[freewheel]

For those that think the price gap between Canadian and U.S. vehicles is no longer.... Currently Acura Canada is offering a staggaering $8500 off an MDX for a cash purchase, this makes the price $44,400 + freight and PDI.
I was quoted $47,500 +tax. Americans in Virginia are paying $35,500 for the same vehicle, a full $12,000 less +tax.

Lots of other examples too. We are suckers.

[petaling108]

honda has no warranty in canada.does Acura USA covers cars in Canada?

[Danno2005]

honda has no warranty in canada.does Acura USA covers cars in Canada?

http://www.apa.ca/template.asp?DocID=253#ACURA

[freewheel]

honda has no warranty in canada.does Acura USA covers cars in Canada?

That is not the point.

[Sergio]

I got my 2007 Navigation MDX with 15,000 mile, on ebay for 26,500$ USD.
I purchased this car in Oct 2008.
Sergio

For those that think the price gap between Canadian and U.S. vehicles is no longer.... Currently Acura Canada is offering a staggaering $8500 off an MDX for a cash purchase, this makes the price $44,400 + freight and PDI.
I was quoted $47,500 +tax. Americans in Virginia are paying $35,500 for the same vehicle, a full $12,000 less +tax.

Lots of other examples too. We are suckers.

[Benny]

So, in my case, here where my steps:

Negotiate final price with seller
Get local dealer to verify car at my expense, and seller brings car to dealer
Exchange title for certified cheque via buddy I trust USA town
my Friend mails title to USA export office
Call bonded transport company for deliver car from Florida to Champlain, NY
Get insurance on car
When bonded transport company delivers car to Champlain, I prepare trip to USA
At Border crossing I swing to USA export office to pickup stamped title
Drive to Champlain, NY transport company
Pay transport company 500$ for services
My wife takes possesion of new vehicle and drives to border (5 min away)
I follow wife, and watching every move she does on new car :)
Declare new car to customs officer
Provide all proof to customs office folks
Pay GST & RIV fees
Drive untagged new car to local Canadian Tire for federal inspection
Drive untagged new car to local DMV (SAQ) in home province
Pay QST and recv new plate


While car was being transported, US Export office already recieved title for processing.

I would not change my process on next purchase.

If I fly down, and drive car to Canada, I would make sure title is shipped before I drive through customs.

Hope this helps others...
Sergio


The dealer is scanning a copy of the title to me to fax to customs. Does the title need to be signed and have my name on it, info...or nothing?

[Sergio]

You do not need to sign original title, the dealer must sign it. Make sure the original is mailed to USA EXport office. The Dealer can complete the information on title. The titles do vary from state to state so not sure what needs inputted.

GO GO GO

Sergio

The dealer is scanning a copy of the title to me to fax to customs. Does the title need to be signed and have my name on it, info...or nothing?

[Benny]

You do not need to sign original title, the dealer must sign it. Make sure the original is mailed to USA EXport office. The Dealer can complete the information on title. The titles do vary from state to state so not sure what needs inputted.

GO GO GO

Sergio

send the original??? the us customs and border patrol at the lewiston bridge said that a fax of the title is all they need. So he can sign it and everything no problems. what about re-assigning the title?

[joejack]

send the original??? the us customs and border patrol at the lewiston bridge said that a fax of the title is all they need. So he can sign it and everything no problems. what about re-assigning the title?

I imported my minivan couple of years ago when our $ was just over par. I remember some border sites required the original title whereas others only needed a faxed copy.

[Sergio]

If you got a confirmation from US Export office at your border of choice, that a photocopy is good enough, make sure you take his name as a reference. The USA Export office will simply stamp it "EXPORT.....", and they input VIN in their system that vehicle is no longer residing in the USA.

Your Title will be handed over to your local DMV province, I assume it's called MTO in Ontario. When you hand over all paperwork to MTO, they will provide you a new "Title", which is probable called a registration paper in Ontario. In Quebec we call it "Registration" docs.

Good luck!
Sergio


send the original??? the us customs and border patrol at the lewiston bridge said that a fax of the title is all they need. So he can sign it and everything no problems. what about re-assigning the title?

[rgc97]

I imported my minivan couple of years ago when our $ was just over par. I remember some border sites required the original title whereas others only needed a faxed copy.

Yes, I recall that Ogdensburg wanted the original (not sure if this is still true). I came across in May '07 at Queenston/Lewiston. Faxed the original MSO to US Customs; it had not been signed over to me yet. Took my dealer a day to confirm that my Cdn bank draft was ok, and then they notarized the MSO and I was good-to-go. Most US crossings are fine with a fax.

Lewiston just wanted a fax copy, so they could do their checking. And they enforce the 72 hr rule -- I tried to get thru a day early, but couldn't (even tho the paperwork was ok).

[HP_John]

For those that think the price gap between Canadian and U.S. vehicles is no longer.... Currently Acura Canada is offering a staggaering $8500 off an MDX for a cash purchase, this makes the price $44,400 + freight and PDI.
I was quoted $47,500 +tax. Americans in Virginia are paying $35,500 for the same vehicle, a full $12,000 less +tax.

Lots of other examples too. We are suckers.

1. $44,400 + freight & PDI = $46,295
Don't know why you were quoted above MSRP. Initial Cdn dealer quote assumes no discount, if you do your homework, you can save thousands off this quote (which assumes 0 discount). Dealers are a business, of course their initial quote doesn't assume a discount, you have to negotiate for it.

2. You are comparing the price that Americans are paying in Virginia with a big discount of several thousands, vs a Cdn price of over MSRP. You are assuming a savings of $6,300 US off MSRP vs a Cdn price of over MSRP. The comparison isn't apples to apples.

3. US MSRP is $41,800 inc destination/handling. Cdn MSRP is $46,295 inc freight & PDI after $8,500 cash discount (if you import, you have to buy "in cash").

4. The dollar isn't at par, it's at $1.075/$0.93, if you're being fair, any bank/exchange place is more likely to exchange you at $1 US = $1.09 Cdn. $41,800 x 1.09 = $45,562

[freewheel]

1. $44,400 + freight & PDI = $46,295
Don't know why you were quoted above MSRP. Initial Cdn dealer quote assumes no discount, if you do your homework, you can save thousands off this quote (which assumes 0 discount). Dealers are a business, of course their initial quote doesn't assume a discount, you have to negotiate for it.


The rebate of $8500 is calculated AFTER tax in Canada which can explain part of the Canadian price discrepancy. That's an extra $1000 tax in Ontario.
I believe dealer fee accounts for the rest.

2. You are comparing the price that Americans are paying in Virginia with a big discount of several thousands, vs a Cdn price of over MSRP. You are assuming a savings of $6,300 US off MSRP vs a Cdn price of over MSRP. The comparison isn't apples to apples.


I am comparing a discount of $8500 in Canada versus the discount people are getting in the U.S. I am comparing out the door price. How can you get more apples to apples than that?


3. US MSRP is $41,800 inc destination/handling. Cdn MSRP is $46,295 inc freight & PDI after $8,500 cash discount (if you import, you have to buy "in cash").


The $8500 rebate in Canada applies to cash purchase only., If you want this price you have to pay cash in Canada or else the price goes to $52,500. As an extra many Americans are getting these lower prices WITH 1.9% financing.



4. The dollar isn't at par, it's at $1.075/$0.93, if you're being fair, any bank/exchange place is more likely to exchange you at $1 US = $1.09 Cdn. $41,800 x 1.09 = $45,562

Vancouver Bullion and Currency xchange offers great rates. At 107.5 I can buy U.S. dollars for $1.08. A few weeks ago when the dollar was higher I was quoted $103.5.


We ARE still getting screwed.

[allknowing]

send the original??? the us customs and border patrol at the lewiston bridge said that a fax of the title is all they need. So he can sign it and everything no problems. what about re-assigning the title?


A fax copy is fine - it doesnt matter who's name is on it. (ie it doesnt have to be yours).. they just want to run the vin# before you get there.

Done it twice now at Lewiston.

Note they are even more lax on the process now that the crunch of a couple years ago is over.

[southpaw4golf]

1. $44,400 + freight & PDI = $46,295
Don't know why you were quoted above MSRP. Initial Cdn dealer quote assumes no discount, if you do your homework, you can save thousands off this quote (which assumes 0 discount). Dealers are a business, of course their initial quote doesn't assume a discount, you have to negotiate for it.

2. You are comparing the price that Americans are paying in Virginia with a big discount of several thousands, vs a Cdn price of over MSRP. You are assuming a savings of $6,300 US off MSRP vs a Cdn price of over MSRP. The comparison isn't apples to apples.

3. US MSRP is $41,800 inc destination/handling. Cdn MSRP is $46,295 inc freight & PDI after $8,500 cash discount (if you import, you have to buy "in cash").

4. The dollar isn't at par, it's at $1.075/$0.93, if you're being fair, any bank/exchange place is more likely to exchange you at $1 US = $1.09 Cdn. $41,800 x 1.09 = $45,562

Another factor when comparing price differences is that Acura is one of those manufacturers that don't honor the factory warranty. You will need to factor in pricing for the lack of warranty. For me, the savings need to be 5 grand plus. There are way too many computers/electronics on board these units with shop rates currently around $140/hr for this and other costly repairs.
Oh btw, try reselling a newer US model Acura without a warranty can you say big hit.
My opinion, look for a new Lexus RX 350, a 6 month old Cadillac SRX a 6 month old Infinity FX all honor the factory warranty and you can still save big.

[freewheel]

Another factor when comparing price differences is that Acura is one of those manufacturers that don't honor the factory warranty. You will need to factor in pricing for the lack of warranty. For me, the savings need to be 5 grand plus. There are way too many computers/electronics on board these units with shop rates currently around $140/hr for this and other costly repairs.
Oh btw, try reselling a newer US model Acura without a warranty can you say big hit.
My opinion, look for a new Lexus RX 350, a 6 month old Cadillac SRX a 6 month old Infinity FX all honor the factory warranty and you can still save big.

I agree with you totally Southpaw. My post wasn't really meant to show the cost of importing. It was more just to show how much less Americans are paying for the same thing. The real kicker is the shipping cost of the made in Canada MDX. In Canada shipping is $1895, in the U.S. $810.

Just go to Edmunds and look up the prices paid forums on each model.

[Benny]

A fax copy is fine - it doesnt matter who's name is on it. (ie it doesnt have to be yours).. they just want to run the vin# before you get there.

Done it twice now at Lewiston.

Note they are even more lax on the process now that the crunch of a couple years ago is over.

what else did you fax with the title. did you fax a cover page with the title? If so, what did you include in the cover page? Did you include your name, address, telephone, fax, email, etc.

Do they call, fax, or email to confirm that you faxed a copy of the title?

[Benny]

If you got a confirmation from US Export office at your border of choice, that a photocopy is good enough, make sure you take his name as a reference. The USA Export office will simply stamp it "EXPORT.....", and they input VIN in their system that vehicle is no longer residing in the USA.

Your Title will be handed over to your local DMV province, I assume it's called MTO in Ontario. When you hand over all paperwork to MTO, they will provide you a new "Title", which is probable called a registration paper in Ontario. In Quebec we call it "Registration" docs.

Good luck!
Sergio

Is it true that I will need a temp tag/permit for every state that I drive through. In my case, NJ (maybe PA) & New York? Or would a NJ temp tag suffice while I'm heading through these states to get to the border?

If my brother brings the car from NJ for me, is it ok to get the temp tag under his name? Does it matter whose name is on the temp tag?

Which copy of the title do I send? The one with the dealer name on the title or one with my name on the title. I'm asking again because he's saying that their needs to be a change in ownership - Reassigning the title. Does that mean I should send the title to US CUSTOMS with his name or my name? Does it even matter who's name is on it as long as the VIN # is there. My only concern is if I fax the title with his name and then change it to my name when I pick it up, then US CUSTOMS AND BORDER PATROL will force me to wait another 72 hours claiming them as 2 separate titles..

Has anyone towed a car from NJ to NY/ GTA and if so, what is the cost. What about shipping? I'm thinking of minimizing mileage on the car.

For the future, how are you minimizing the cost of exchange rate? I went through my bank and I feel I got ripped off!

[Benny]

If you got a confirmation from US Export office at your border of choice, that a photocopy is good enough, make sure you take his name as a reference. The USA Export office will simply stamp it "EXPORT.....", and they input VIN in their system that vehicle is no longer residing in the USA.

Your Title will be handed over to your local DMV province, I assume it's called MTO in Ontario. When you hand over all paperwork to MTO, they will provide you a new "Title", which is probable called a registration paper in Ontario. In Quebec we call it "Registration" docs.

Good luck!
Sergio

Is it true that I need to get a temp tag for every state that i drive through?

Since i dont have time to pick the car up, my bro will pick it up for me. Will it be a problem if the temp tag is in his name?

Another thing is that if he drives the car, will the deed of sale need to be in his name instead of mine?

How about the title, does it have to be in his name.

Speaking of title, I'll be faxing it on Monday. As it stands the copy i'll be sending will be with the dealers name. The dealer insisted in a title reassignement - a change in ownership to my name. So my question is, if I fax a copy of the title (my name is not on the title) and when i/ my bro picks up the car, i/he changes the title in our name, will US CUSTOMS AND BORDER PATROL give me/ him any problems and enforce another 72 hour waiting period. Or since the vin # has stayed consistent, it should suffice.

For future imports, what do you use to get the best bang for your buck when buying USD funds from CAD funds. I did the conversion at the bank and it was brutal! I should have done it on XE right? Is XE the best? I paid $30 for a wire transfer, does any place offer it as a free/ discounted service?

Thanks.

[ca3344]

Anyone know what kind of modification does it require for the car to be register in BC or else of canada?

i was once quoted from a BC local shop for $3000 for a 09 BMW 335i. it is crazy.

[dracore]

Anyone know what kind of modification does it require for the car to be register in BC or else of canada?

i was once quoted from a BC local shop for $3000 for a 09 BMW 335i. it is crazy.

Will the car be a BMW?

Check out this interesting blog about required modifications for BMW:

http://ucanimport.blogspot.com/

[extraleanham]

How much can you save right now by buying in the states?

[HP_John]

I am comparing a discount of $8500 in Canada versus the discount people are getting in the U.S. I am comparing out the door price. How can you get more apples to apples than that?

Vancouver Bullion and Currency xchange offers great rates. At 107.5 I can buy U.S. dollars for $1.08. A few weeks ago when the dollar was higher I was quoted $103.5.


We ARE still getting screwed.

The $8500 discount is from Acura Canada, not the dealer, so you're assuming all Cdns will pay MSRP minus a manufacturer discount. Dealers will quote you MSRP unless you negotiate, they are a business, they want to sell the car at MSRP. Consumers want to buy the car at a lower price, they negotiate. The US price you used to compare is based off a pretty good sized dealer discount. I'm not even gonna say you're wrong, but I find people tend to overstate the price difference, like using US prices based on dealer discounts & comparing it to Cdn MSRP, with no discount. I imported my G37 21 months ago & saved lots at the time.

A few months ago the dollar was at $1.20 wasn't it? Something like that? The currency unfortunately does fluctuate a lot. It's really hard to say what it'll be. Imagine if the Cdn price was tied to the US price, you know what would happen? No Cdns will buy Cdn cars when our dollar is weak, they'll wait until our dollar is strong if they know the Cdn price will get much cheaper if our dollar gets much stronger. What this means is potentiall months of no sales for Cdn dealers.

[allknowing]

what else did you fax with the title. did you fax a cover page with the title? If so, what did you include in the cover page? Did you include your name, address, telephone, fax, email, etc.

Do they call, fax, or email to confirm that you faxed a copy of the title?

Dealer faxed it for me .. just some basic info

JOhn Doe is purchasing vin# xxxxx
He is expected to cross thru customs on xxx date.
Attached is the fax of the title.

No calls required - take a copy of the fax (get it from the dealer or whomever did the fax for you) (ie the acknowledgement) with you as proof that you sent it. In case its misplaced they will still let you go if you have proof that you did send it.

When you get there .. you state your name, they look in the folder - if its there - (the only tense part) they fax it to somebody, stamp it and out you go. All of about 5 mins.

[Matty]

How much can you save right now by buying in the states?

The 2nd half of your post was deleted. Please add missing info.

[flatman]

The $8500 discount is from Acura Canada, not the dealer, so you're assuming all Cdns will pay MSRP minus a manufacturer discount. Dealers will quote you MSRP unless you negotiate, they are a business, they want to sell the car at MSRP. Consumers want to buy the car at a lower price, they negotiate. The US price you used to compare is based off a pretty good sized dealer discount. I'm not even gonna say you're wrong, but I find people tend to overstate the price difference, like using US prices based on dealer discounts & comparing it to Cdn MSRP, with no discount. I imported my G37 21 months ago & saved lots at the time.

A few months ago the dollar was at $1.20 wasn't it? Something like that? The currency unfortunately does fluctuate a lot. It's really hard to say what it'll be. Imagine if the Cdn price was tied to the US price, you know what would happen? No Cdns will buy Cdn cars when our dollar is weak, they'll wait until our dollar is strong if they know the Cdn price will get much cheaper if our dollar gets much stronger. What this means is potentiall months of no sales for Cdn dealers.



CCC report MDX:

Retail Price * Wholesale Price**
Base $52,900.00 $48,668.00
Freight $1,895.00 $1,895.00
Optional equipment selected
- FEDERAL AIR CONDITIONING EX $100.00 $100.00
- BALI BLUE PEARL (BL) $0.00 $0.00
- BLACK, LEATHER SEAT TRIM (- $0.00 $0.00
Totals including all items above $54,895.00 $50,663.00


*Retail Price - Also referred to as the M.S.R.P. or Manufacturer Suggested Retail Price or Retail Factory Price. The price the dealer wants you to pay.

** Wholesale Price - Also referred to as the Dealer Invoice Price, Dealer Factory Price or Dealer Cost. The price the dealer pays for the car, before adjusting for any applicable Factory Incentives. To start your negotiations, take this number, add a fair dealer markup/profit (3%-6% on most cars) and deduct any applicable factory incentive below.

Current Factory Incentive Programs.
Incentive Type Value Term Expiry
Cash Incentives
Non-stackable Trading Dollars/Factory to Customer Rebate $2,500.00 November 30, 2009
General Comments and Additional Factory Incentive Program Details
THE NON-STACKABLE TRADING DOLLARS/FACTORY TO DEALER REBATE are only applicable to cash purchases and can be combined with the Trading Dollars and the Loyalty Program, if available, but can not be combined with any other available factory incentive (including lease and finance rates). Please note this rebate is applied to the after tax amount.
SPECIAL LEASE & OR FINANCE RATES - Some dealers may advertise special lease or finance rates; however, please note you will not receive the Non-Stackable Trading Dollars since the dealer will use this rebate to buy down the standard rate, which may not be to your advantage. You may be better off arranging your own financing and applying the rebate to lower your price




U.S. prices : http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.ef0b87c/8989#MSG8989



You do the math.

[HP_John]

CCC report MDX:

U.S. prices : http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.ef0b87c/8989#MSG8989

It still doesn't change the fact that you were comparing your Cdn price quote that included the Acura Canada discount but no dealer discount, vs a US price quote that Americans got that included a big dealer discount. I'm not even disputing there is a big discrepancy (eg we ARE paying too much for a MDX, I agree) as stated in my earlier post, I'm talking about people sometimes overstating it. I see people all the time making claims like "I saved $XX,XXX by importing", when in reality, they got that number by using their US price paid vs Cdn MSRP (assuming 0 discount) & often not even knowing or counting the Cdn cash deal discount that is often available (if you buy in the US, as a Cdn, you'll end up paying for the full amount upfront anyway). I'm sure they did save a lot, but they shouldn't overstate it.

I imported my car, & if it wasn't for people like me who imported, corporate may not have reacted & started offering even bigger cash deal discounts, so believe me, I do think it's a good thing that people import & put corporate on notice that Cdns aren't going to put up with huge discrepancies if they can import & save lots after factoring in all costs.

[charoo]

Has anyone here dealt with Audi of Huntington, in NY State?

[Monsieurmaggot]

How much can you save right now by buying in the states?

For the past few years, SOME Canadian manufacturers are smartening up and offering more competetive pricing.

While most are apprehensive about lowering their MSRPs (this could adversely affect leasing rates and buy back pricing), they choose instead to offer cash incentives. That's a good thing.

There are some cars that are actually cheaper to buy in Canada (when the dollar gets to the .95+ range).

Premium brands like Subarus (they like to think so in Canada), Lexus and Acuras among others are almost always cheaper in the US.

BMW, Mercedes and VW go out of their way to promote cross-border sales but slap on rediculous levies.

To answer your question, DO YOUR RESEARCH. Maybe you won't save a penny, maybe more. For me when I tallied up, my savings were approximately $18,000 and I was VERY CONSERVATIVE with my estimate.

In my case, I offered a Toronto Subaru dealer $51,000 + freight for a fully-loaded Outback 3.0R Premiere edition. It was promptly turned down.

I bought the LLBean (which was a higher trim level than the Premiere) in the US minus navigation (a $3000 Canadian Upgrade!) for $29,150 US driveaway priced. The exchange rate then was about .92.

Do the math....

Canada:
I offered $51,000 (turned down)
$1595 freight
$299 security
$399 administrative
Would have been $53293
GST = 2664.65
PST = 4263.44
A/C Tax $100
Total = $60321.09 (my math could be slightly off)
The price would be more since remember, the dealer TURNED ME DOWN!

US:
$29,150 USD (inclusive of freight and accessories)
Exchange (about 8%) = 2332 (average since I transferred cash over the period of months)
Total $31482 Canadian
GST = 1574.1
PST = 2518.56
A/C Tax $100
Total = $35674.66
RIV $205
Transit permits ($70)
Total = $35949.66
But to be fair, bus to Buffalo cost me $38
..and $30 in gas to get home
Total: $36055.66

I didn't take into account the four hour round trip. but I could....

Now don't forget that the Canadian version has navigation so I will ADD $3000 MSRP to my cost. The total is now approximately $39,000 Canadian inclusive. To be petty some will say "you didn't add the tax to that". True, but who really pays MSRP anyway?

But wait, I got a $1500US ($1620 Cdn) rebate which you can no longer get. That jacks up the Canadian total to about $40,600.

I said it before, if ANYONE can get a new 3.0R Premiere Subaru in Canada for that price, please post it. It will never happen. The pricing and model line for the 2010s has changed but the disparity in pricing remains.

You get the picture....

[mangoman]

Ogdensburg was one of the crossings that wanted the original last July/Aug. 2008 (no idea if they've changed their policy lately).

Yes, I recall that Ogdensburg wanted the original (not sure if this is still true). I came across in May '07 at Queenston/Lewiston...

[killbillvol1]

Ok I just saw some lease ads and am extremely pissed so disclaimer - this is just an outrage bitching post.

Why the **** can you lease a 2010 Camry for $169 with 3K down and a Venza for $249/mo with the same amount down in the States, but the payment amounts are DOUBLE that here.

Gouging at it's finest.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Ok I just saw some lease ads and am extremely pissed so disclaimer - this is just an outrage bitching post.

Why the **** can you lease a 2010 Camry for $169 with 3K down and a Venza for $249/mo with the same amount down in the States, but the payment amounts are DOUBLE that here.

Gouging at it's finest.

Welcome to my hell.

Then there's Oakley and their 100% markups in Canada.
Don't forget Expedia.ca. The prices ARE ALWAYS higher than Expedica.com
Cell phone plans, gasoline, clothing, electronics, etc...

The critics say it's due to the smaller "market" size in Canada. That's an easy answer when you cloud it with that excuse. ROFL. ....and there really is a Santa Claus.

I read in the G&M a few months ago that an iPhone plan is cheaper to own in sub-Saharan countries than in Canada. .... and those same telco folks are drawing attention away from their absurd profits by saying broadcasters in Canada are asking for a TV tax. They simply want the telcos to pay for the signals they re-distribute.

I heard that one explained this way: You buy some milk in the store. On the way out you pick up a loaf of bread. You get arrested for taking the bread. You argue that "you already paid for the milk" and that the owner already made a profit.

But alas, I digress.....

We are just sheep aren't we?

[player401]

I have been folllowing this post for a while and I am considering buying a used 2008 GM sierra crew cab (4x4 SLE model with preferred pkg, 5.3L) with less than 20,000 miles in the states. Does anyone have recent auction sales from ADESSA - buffalo or in ontario (and is willing to share) to comapare or others auction areas.

[03terminator]

I have been folllowing this post for a while and I am considering buying a used 2008 GM sierra crew cab (4x4 SLE model with preferred pkg, 5.3L) with less than 20,000 miles in the states. Does anyone have recent auction sales from ADESSA - buffalo or in ontario (and is willing to share) to comapare or others auction areas.


Maybe you know, but
New leftover 09 Sierras in Canada are 9-11 grand off now in Canada, if you can find what your looking for. So, the savings from the US are not that big unless you find a great great deal. Not saying impossible but 20k miles (32000km) vs new the math might not work.

[djredhat]

A question for those who imported in QC. Do you guys keep the QC inspection sticker they put on the windshield? Not sure if I am obliged to keep once the car is registered ...

thanksie.

[careener]

Will the car be a BMW?

Check out this interesting blog about required modifications for BMW:

http://ucanimport.blogspot.com/

I don't get it.. how can this other company issue the recall clearance letter on behalf of BMW?

[djredhat]

I don't get it.. how can this other company issue the recall clearance letter on behalf of BMW?

They can't. My guess is they do business with an employee in a US dealership that makes some extra $$$ on the side ... Just make sure it's comes from an authorized BMW dealership ...

[player401]

Maybe you know, but
New leftover 09 Sierras in Canada are 9-11 grand off now in Canada, if you can find what your looking for. So, the savings from the US are not that big unless you find a great great deal. Not saying impossible but 20k miles (32000km) vs new the math might not work.

Thanks for the heads-up. I have seen the 09 Sierra with 9k off and actually was planning to compare both to determine which is more cost effective. ie new truck priced in mid 30's vs used possibly priced in low/mid 20's.

[Fp1]

I know this company, www.knightsbridgefx.com (http://www.knightsbridgefx.com), may help people save money on their FX rate when they buy cars from the US.

They only deal with purchases over $20,000. They can probably save you $500 to $1500 depending on the total cost of your car and the FX rate you receive from your bank.

[brendonp]

I heard that one explained this way: You buy some milk in the store. On the way out you pick up a loaf of bread. You get arrested for taking the bread. You argue that "you already paid for the milk" and that the owner already made a profit.

But alas, I digress.....

We are just sheep aren't we?

I actually have no problem with this argument - it's quite reasonable. The key difference is that we can't have the government (or milk/bread producer) force us to buy from that particular store owner. We should be able to buy from the store down the street without any hassle....

[BiGD33nS]

It's been a couple of months that I am following this thread (missed a LOT of pages though) and this may be an option for me next year or so.

I will be looking forward a brand new WRX or maybe an STi and importing it from the states. I already have a repaired car that I imported from the states but a relative of mine did most of the paperwork and stuff.

As of today, out of curiosity, I went to the nearest authorised Subaru dealer, in Quebec, and the manager was my salewoman. We talked like 10 min about the car then made a quote.

For a Limited WRX, the price was a spanking 40k. Then I jumped on the subject about importing one just to see what kind of reaction I would get as I know they would throw me a lot of crap NOT to buy it elsewhere then there.

I was suprised to the rudeness of the manager as she told me since 2009, imported WRX and STi were forbidden. I fire back at her that a lot of people do it and they all save at least 5k and the warranty is still available AND it is included in the approved list on RIV. She then told me rudely that they are all liars and it is impossible, at least for an STI, that importation is IMPOSSIBLE (she repeated twice lol). She then confirms me that the warranty will be denied in Canada.

So here I am with mixed feelings about it. I don't know what to believe (but still thinks the saleswoman is full of it). As I said, it is not for today but I am looking forward for next year or so and I like to keep in touch with the situation.

[rgc97]

It's been a couple of months that I am following this thread (missed a LOT of pages though) and this may be an option for me next year or so.

I will be looking forward a brand new WRX or maybe an STi and importing it from the states. I already have a repaired car that I imported from the states but a relative of mine did most of the paperwork and stuff.

Have to feel sorry for Subie dealers in Canada, when Japan charges them much more than a US dealer -- not just base car costs, but also delivery, options, etc.

Anyone can bring a new or used car across, if it's on the RIV approved list (and WRX/STI are). Just follow the procedures documented on this thread.

Watch pricing. WRX savings are much better than STI savings right now. And watch options -- the US and Canadian models are somewhat different (especially WRX). Both are in better supply in Canada than the US, so you will have to wait if you make a new US purchase.

[stealth]

If you were buying a car in the US PRIVATELY that you found on ebay (not through a dealer), how would you go about the payment so that you dont get scammed (bearing in mind that a legit seller down there will also be concerned with being scammed by you)?

What ID or paperwork would be reasonable to ask for in advance of sending any money? Title seems reasonable, but would you ask for copies of drivers license, or other personal info?

Wire transfer seems risky as you would have to do it ahead of time, certified check/money order may not appear safe to the buyer (counterfeit) and their banks may take some time to process it...so what then?

Also what would you prefer to do, pickup personally and drive back (even if it was quite a distance, say in Florida), or hire a shipper? With cheap flights right now the cost is very similar...a few days in Florida would be fun, but its additional miles on the car and I suppose other potential risks.

Thanks in advance!

PS I have imported a car before but it was 10 yrs ago and a much lower value (10k) so was simpler that way as I just took a money order.

[scouzi]

If you were buying a car in the US PRIVATELY that you found on ebay (not through a dealer), how would you go about the payment so that you dont get scammed (bearing in mind that a legit seller down there will also be concerned with being scammed by you)?

What ID or paperwork would be reasonable to ask for in advance of sending any money? Title seems reasonable, but would you ask for copies of drivers license, or other personal info?

Wire transfer seems risky as you would have to do it ahead of time, certified check/money order may not appear safe to the buyer (counterfeit) and their banks may take some time to process it...so what then?

Also what would you prefer to do, pickup personally and drive back (even if it was quite a distance, say in Florida), or hire a shipper? With cheap flights right now the cost is very similar...a few days in Florida would be fun, but its additional miles on the car and I suppose other potential risks.

Thanks in advance!

PS I have imported a car before but it was 10 yrs ago and a much lower value (10k) so was simpler that way as I just took a money order.

I would never buy a used car without looking at it in person and test drive it. I have been shopping for a used G35 for 3 months and I can tell you that picture don`t tell the story very well. I have seen shiny amazing cars on pictures but when you arrive, they are in sad shape. Unfortunately, you can`t trust what people tell you over the phone

I had recently found one but it had a slipping clutch when I test drove it.

However, I believe that Ebay has some kind of insurance if you get scammed (no delivery).

I bought a new car for the US in the summer of 2007 - I only went once. For a new car I see no problem.

[player401]

I would never buy a used car without looking at it in person and test drive it. I have been shopping for a used G35 for 3 months and I can tell you that picture don`t tell the story very well. I have seen shiny amazing cars on pictures but when you arrive, they are in sad shape. Unfortunately, you can`t trust what people tell you over the phone

I had recently found one but it had a slipping clutch when I test drove it.

However, I believe that Ebay has some kind of insurance if you get scammed (no delivery).

I bought a new car for the US in the summer of 2007 - I only went once. For a new car I see no problem.

As previously stated be aware of buying a vehicle unseen. A lot of scams are out there right now and stating they are using ebay for both person's safety. I have asked the scammers for an address to allow my cousin to personally view the vehicle (i usually don't have one nearby) and reply is they are never around due to work or vehicle is stored. Reason for selling is usually a divorce and vehicle is not located in area originally indicated.
In summary ... be aware and good luck.

[smacd]

Also what would you prefer to do, pickup personally and drive back (even if it was quite a distance, say in Florida), or hire a shipper? With cheap flights right now the cost is very similar...a few days in Florida would be fun, but its additional miles on the car and I suppose other potential risks.


Don't know if it's the same with private sales in Florida, but I was told by a dealer in St. Petes last week that to buy a $21,000 used Mazda CX-7, if I drove it off the lot, rather than have it shipped, I MUST pay 7% Florida sales tax! My plan was to buy in the spring when I'm visiting my parents and saving the cost of a rental, then driving home. Put an end to that plan!

[Benny]

i got my saab.

can i get a temp permit in ontario if i haven't received my form 2 yet...

[scouzi]

As previously stated be aware of buying a vehicle unseen. A lot of scams are out there right now and stating they are using ebay for both person's safety. I have asked the scammers for an address to allow my cousin to personally view the vehicle (i usually don't have one nearby) and reply is they are never around due to work or vehicle is stored. Reason for selling is usually a divorce and vehicle is not located in area originally indicated.
In summary ... be aware and good luck.

A lot of those scams are on autotrader as well. In Canada too. They are selling low because they say they need the cash. They want you to send money in an "escrow account" and claim that they will ship the car for free.

Always ask for the VIN and Google it after. I have seen many cars sold in 2 different places (ie autotrader in NY and craigslist LA). If someone doesn`t want to give you the VIN for whatever reason - walk away.

[DrXenon]

If you were buying a car in the US PRIVATELY that you found on ebay (not through a dealer), how would you go about the payment so that you dont get scammed (bearing in mind that a legit seller down there will also be concerned with being scammed by you)?


I've never actually done it, but for the Porsche I'm considering here's my plan:

1) Look on regional enthusiast forums for a garage that specializes in the brand.
2) Tell seller to take vehicle to that garage for a prepurchase inspection that I pay for by credit card.

Assuming that goes okay:

3) Look up a lawyer in the area.
4) Get agreement from seller that this particular lawyer is acceptable to him and pay the lawyer $250 (say) to act as an escrow service.
5) Transfer money to lawyer.
6) Fly down, if car is acceptable tell the lawyer to release funds.
7) Try not to get speeding tickets on the way home.

[Benny]

are there services that offer recall clearance letters? if so please advise

[stealth]

I've never actually done it, but for the Porsche I'm considering here's my plan:

1) Look on regional enthusiast forums for a garage that specializes in the brand.
2) Tell seller to take vehicle to that garage for a prepurchase inspection that I pay for by credit card.

Assuming that goes okay:

3) Look up a lawyer in the area.
4) Get agreement from seller that this particular lawyer is acceptable to him and pay the lawyer $250 (say) to act as an escrow service.
5) Transfer money to lawyer.
6) Fly down, if car is acceptable tell the lawyer to release funds.
7) Try not to get speeding tickets on the way home.

That is a great idea. Thank you for that post.


Thos in Ontario with experience in importing, is there a particular border crossing you would recommend (or not recommend) and why? Maybe hours of operation, services offerred, etc?

[Poordude]

are there services that offer recall clearance letters? if so please advise

Recall letter must either come from a dealer or the manufacterer. It must have dealer or manufacterers logo on the letter head. This is CLEARLY spelled out in the how to import details.

[JPTN]

Recall letter must either come from a dealer or the manufacterer. It must have dealer or manufacterers logo on the letter head. This is CLEARLY spelled out in the how to import details.
The RIV will accept other documents.
e.g. vehicle history printout from the service department

It all depends on the manufacturer. You might even luck out since the RIV does keep an inventory of recall clearance letters and they might have one for your specific model.

Give them a call: http://www.riv.ca/ContactUs.aspx

[southnam]

Thinking of possibly buying a Forrester or outback. Been about a year since I read this thread. I remember back then there wasn't much savings for these cars. can someone correct me if I'm wrong? Are they still honoring the warranties etc..
As well, what's a approximate OTD price for Forrester?
Thanks

[Monsieurmaggot]

Thinking of possibly buying a Forrester or outback. Been about a year since I read this thread. I remember back then there wasn't much savings for these cars. can someone correct me if I'm wrong? Are they still honoring the warranties etc..
As well, what's a approximate OTD price for Forrester?
Thanks

If you're looking for a 2009 Forester or Outback I'm hearing people are getting up to $8000 off by buying in Canada. On lower-end models, the Canadian price difference might be worth considering.

On higher-end Subaru trim levels, regardless of the year, the US is still the place to shop.

Don't forget the Forester is subject to 6.1% duty since it is 100% Japanese.

The Outback is 45% Japanese so qualifies as a NAFTA import tax exempted vehicle.

[CalgaryJeremyK]

On higher-end Subaru trim levels, regardless of the year, the US is still the place to shop.



Is it? I'm not sure if I'm making some erroneous comparisons but I was watching a car show last night and they reviewed the new 2010 Outback - It looked pretty nice so I thought I'd pull up the price and automatically I always check the US and Canadian sites.

For the 3.6 R Limited, with Nav and Sunroom, the US price is US$34,685. In Canada, the price is $42,320 including freight/pdi. At about a 1.1 rate, the US price comes to 38,153 so a difference of $4,100. On a 40K vehicle I'm not sure I'd make the trip to save less than $4k when you consider the time involved and cost (transportation etc.) plus warranty hassles etc (submission to Subaru US) and then lower resale value.

I could have sworn that top model Outbacks in Canada were 50K + at one point, so I'm not sure again if I'm making a mistake in my comparisons or if Subaru actually reduced their prices to more reasonable levels. I'll have to check the Tribeca which was also horrendously overpriced in Canada at one point.

[CalgaryJeremyK]

I'll have to check the Tribeca which was also horrendously overpriced in Canada at one point.

Tribeca is still horrendously overpriced in Canada.

[rjmbc]

Is it? I'm not sure if I'm making some erroneous comparisons but I was watching a car show last night and they reviewed the new 2010 Outback - It looked pretty nice so I thought I'd pull up the price and automatically I always check the US and Canadian sites.

For the 3.6 R Limited, with Nav and Sunroom, the US price is US$34,685. In Canada, the price is $42,320 including freight/pdi. At about a 1.1 rate, the US price comes to 38,153 so a difference of $4,100. On a 40K vehicle I'm not sure I'd make the trip to save less than $4k when you consider the time involved and cost (transportation etc.) plus warranty hassles etc (submission to Subaru US) and then lower resale value.

I could have sworn that top model Outbacks in Canada were 50K + at one point, so I'm not sure again if I'm making a mistake in my comparisons or if Subaru actually reduced their prices to more reasonable levels. I'll have to check the Tribeca which was also horrendously overpriced in Canada at one point.

We just bought a 2010 Subaru Outback 3.6R Limited w/Power Moonroof MSRP $33,300.00 US for $31,950.00 US plus about $850 in other (brokerage) fees.

The 2010 Tribeca Limited we just bought was $33,150.00 US plus the same $850.

Price look pretty good compared to Canadian.

[CalgaryJeremyK]

We just bought a 2010 Subaru Outback 3.6R Limited w/Power Moonroof MSRP $33,300.00 US for $31,950.00 US plus about $850 in other (brokerage) fees.

The 2010 Tribeca Limited we just bought was $33,150.00 US plus the same $850.

Price look pretty good compared to Canadian.

On the Outback in Canada MSRP is $40,020 (with freight/pdi) and I bet you could get the same discount (i.e. $1,350) bringing it to 38,760. You paid $31,950 X 1.1 = 35,145 + 850 = 35,995 for a difference of $2,765 (plus you received the benefit of the lower taxes on the difference) plus you needed to go through the effort of importing and your resale value will ultimately be lower. I'm not criticizing your transaction as I am a huge proponent of buying in the US, I'm just curious if Subaru made some changes to their N.A. pricing regime which brought prices closer or if there are huge content differences between the 3.6R Limited in Canada versus the US masking a much larger price variance.

The Tribeca Ltd. seems to be a different matter though. MSRP in Canada is $47,020 with freight/pdi. Assuming you can get $2k off that would make it $45,020. Your Tribeca was 33,150 * 1.1 + 850 = 37,315. There seems to be a significant content difference (the Canadian Tribeca Ltd. has the DVD player, HID lights and possibly other items) but I don't think enough to make up the $8k pricing differential.

[djredhat]

On a 40K vehicle I'm not sure I'd make the trip to save less than $4k when you consider the time involved and cost (transportation etc.) plus warranty hassles etc (submission to Subaru US) and then lower resale value.


See, that's what I find nonsense. I'd much rather get a 100k clicks vehicle driven on US highways than 50k clicks here in QC. Considering how bad the roads and how tough winters are here, I think that 1 click in Quebec (and 2 clicks the rest of Canada) equals the wear and tear of 3 clicks in US.

[smacd]

Does anyone know if Hyundai Canada honours warranties on a new US bought unit?

[lurker99]

Does anybody know how the MTO calculates the conversion from $US to $CAN. Do they use the current daily exchange rate or something else to figure the value of your US purchase car in $CAN.

[diigii]

The MTO uses the value calculated by the Customs people when you crossed the border back to Canada. So bring that receipt with you when you register your car in your province of jurisdiction.

Does anybody know how the MTO calculates the conversion from $US to $CAN. Do they use the current daily exchange rate or something else to figure the value of your US purchase car in $CAN.

[southnam]

anyone have a recent number for how much otd price for a forester is in the US?

[Anonymouse]

Check out VanBortel's price - that's fairly close. Also, edmunds.com will give you the invoice price, which is what cars go for down there.

[lurker99]

The MTO uses the value calculated by the Customs people when you crossed the border back to Canada. So bring that receipt with you when you register your car in your province of jurisdiction.

Thanks for your answer, but still doesn't answer my question. I guest I should have said customs instead of MTO

How does customs calculate the value? Do they use the current daily exchange rate or something else to figure the value of your US purchase car in $CAN. The income tax people uses an average exchange rate.

For example, if I purchase a car for $10,000 US with exchange rate $1.05CAN =$10,500 CAN and 1 week later I go down to pick up and cross the border. In the mean time the rate has gone to $1.10, will custom use $1.10 exchange rate to calculate the $CAN value? That means I'm paying more PST +GST, because the exchange rate has gone up.

[brokekid]

Thanks for your answer, but still doesn't answer my question. I guest I should have said customs instead of MTO

How does customs calculate the value? Do they use the current daily exchange rate or something else to figure the value of your US purchase car in $CAN. The income tax people uses an average exchange rate.

For example, if I purchase a car for $10,000 US with exchange rate $1.05CAN =$10,500 CAN and 1 week later I go down to pick up and cross the border. In the mean time the rate has gone to $1.10, will custom use $1.10 exchange rate to calculate the $CAN value? That means I'm paying more PST +GST, because the exchange rate has gone up.

Daily exchange rate.

[JWL]

Thanks for your answer, but still doesn't answer my question. I guest I should have said customs instead of MTO

How does customs calculate the value? Do they use the current daily exchange rate or something else to figure the value of your US purchase car in $CAN. The income tax people uses an average exchange rate.

For example, if I purchase a car for $10,000 US with exchange rate $1.05CAN =$10,500 CAN and 1 week later I go down to pick up and cross the border. In the mean time the rate has gone to $1.10, will custom use $1.10 exchange rate to calculate the $CAN value? That means I'm paying more PST +GST, because the exchange rate has gone up.

I don't know the answer, but your are worrying about a pretty small amount and it is just as likely to go in your favour as against it. On a $30K car, a 2% change in FX rate would change Ontario GST+PST by $80.

[Homeo]

Does anybody know how the MTO calculates the conversion from $US to $CAN. Do they use the current daily exchange rate or something else to figure the value of your US purchase car in $CAN.

The MTO does not calculate the value of the exchange rate . This us done by CAD Customs on the day you bring the car over the border. The value used by CAD customs is the ACTUAL market value of the exchange rate, ( i.e. a LOT better than the rate you would get if you were to buy USD$ )

Their rates change daily and reflect the previous day's exchange rate.

Once you pay your duties/taxes at the border, you get a blue receipt. That receipt has the $CAD value of the vehicle as calculated by US Customs.

The MTO officer will use that value to charge your tax. thats why they ask for this at the MTO office when you go to register your car

[elmst200]

Sorry Homeo, it's not clear where did you pay taxes, at the border or at MTO or both? what taxes do you mean?

The MTO does not calculate the value of the exchange rate . This us done by CAD Customs on the day you bring the car over the border. The value used by CAD customs is the ACTUAL market value of the exchange rate, ( i.e. a LOT better than the rate you would get if you were to buy USD$ )

Their rates change daily and reflect the previous day's exchange rate.

Once you pay your duties/taxes at the border, you get a blue receipt. That receipt has the $CAD value of the vehicle as calculated by US Customs.

The MTO officer will use that value to charge your tax. thats why they ask for this at the MTO office when you go to register your car

[smacd]

Does anyone know if Hyundai Canada honours warranties on a new US bought unit?

I'll answer my own question here:

Thank you for your email and for taking the time to contact Hyundai Auto Canada Corp. Hyundai Auto Canada Corp. no longer provides warranty on imported vehicles (new and used) because these vehicles were not sold or distributed by Hyundai Auto Canada Corp. This includes US vehicles sold in Canada. For more information on warranty coverage on US vehicles, please contact Hyundai Motor America at 1-800-633-5151.

Regards,
Hyundai Auto Canada Corp.

[smacd]

Sorry Homeo, it's not clear where did you pay taxes, at the border or at MTO or both? what taxes do you mean?

I believe you pay GST and any duty at the border, and PST with your province, when you register the car.

[sljay]

I'm looking at purchasing a Toyota Sienna from a private seller in the US. I will be registering the van in Ontario. When we purchase privately in Ontario we only pay PST, is this the case if I buy privately in the US?

[killbillvol1]

I'm looking at purchasing a Toyota Sienna from a private seller in the US. I will be registering the van in Ontario. When we purchase privately in Ontario we only pay PST, is this the case if I buy privately in the US?

You will have to pay GST + $200 inspection fee + green tax (if applicable) at the border, and PST when you register at the MTO plus any applicable modification costs (typically DRLs)

Good luck!

[Homeo]

Sorry Homeo, it's not clear where did you pay taxes, at the border or at MTO or both? what taxes do you mean?

you pay the duty ( if foreign vehicle ) + the PST at the border. Then pay the GST at the the MTO.

MTO charges GST based on canadian dollar value of your car calculated at the border.

[warpdryv]

killbillvol1 is right.
homeo is wrong.

[james-007]

you pay the duty ( if foreign vehicle ) + the PST at the border. Then pay the GST at the the MTO.

MTO charges GST based on canadian dollar value of your car calculated at the border.

You pay the Duty (if necessary) and GST at the border. Then pay PST at the MTO. If you end-up paying Duty they'll charge you GST on that too. Everything is calculated on Canadian $ value of the car calculated at the border at the time of the import NOT purchased date.

[JPTN]

The Canadian Border gets the foreign exchange rate from the Bank of Canada daily and it is set for the ENTIRE day and updated every morning.

The converted USD/CAD value of the vehicle on the day the vehicle CROSSES the border is used to calculate GST due at the border.

Paid at the border [federal]:

GST on converted value
A/C Tax ($100 + GST)
Duty (6.1% of the converted value + GST on top of duty if the VIN starts with a LETTER)
Green Levy [6.1% + GST] (gas guzzler tax if 45% city + 55% highway L/100km is LESS than 13L/100km)

Example: http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/pub/bsf5048-eng.html#s5
Green Levy: http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/trade-commerce/tariff-tarif/2007/tn21-eng.html

Paid at the Ministry of Transportation [provincial]:

PST

Paid afterwards:

RIV Fee [to get Form 2]

https://www.riv.ca/PaymentAndFees.aspx

No manufacturer's warranty in Canada (as of 2009 October):

Chrysler
Honda
Hyundai
Acura
Mini Cooper
Isuzu
Mitsubishi
Nissan
Scion
Suzuki
VW (2009 onward)
Audi (2009 onward)

[mangoman]

...

No manufacturer's warranty in Canada (as of 2009 October):

Chrysler
Honda
Hyundai
Acura
Mini Cooper
Isuzu
Mitsubishi
Nissan
Scion
Suzuki
VW (2009 onward)
Audi (2009 onward)


Odd that Scion is on this list since Toyotas are not? May I ask who your source is on that? (Maybe something to do with Toyotas plans to sell them in Canada this spring?)

[michelb]

We have a motorhome that we bought and registered in the US over a year ago. We're thinking of importing it in the spring but we're just wondering if we'll have to pay CND taxes on it or if we can get around it because we've had it registed in the states for a while (so far, I haven't gotten an answer from CBSA)

[Sloan55]

Do Hybrid vehicles (i.e 2010 Toyota Highlander Hybrid) qualify for the ontario hybrid rebate?

[michelb]

Do Hybrid vehicles (i.e 2010 Toyota Highlander Hybrid) qualify for the ontario hybrid rebate?

I believe that the hybrid rebate program (ECOAuto) is over and I don't think it was applicable on US imports.

There's a new program that starts July 2010 for plug-ins ($4000-$10000 rebate) but I don't think the details have been announced yet.

[Sloan55]

I believe that the hybrid rebate program (ECOAuto) is over and I don't think it was applicable on US imports.

There's a new program that starts July 2010 for plug-ins ($4000-$10000 rebate) but I don't think the details have been announced yet.

Take a look at this link, sounds like some type of rebate program is still ongoing and there is nothing showing it excludes imported vehicles

http://www.rev.gov.on.ca/en/refund/vpaf/

[smacd]

The Canadian Border gets the foreign exchange rate from the Bank of Canada daily and it is set for the ENTIRE day and updated every morning.

The converted USD/CAD value of the vehicle on the day the vehicle CROSSES the border is used to calculate GST due at the border.

Paid at the border [federal]:

GST on converted value
A/C Tax ($100 + GST)
Duty (6.1% of the converted value + GST on top of duty if the VIN starts with a LETTER)
Green Levy [6.1% + GST] (gas guzzler tax if 45% city + 55% highway L/100km is LESS than 13L/100km)

Example: http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/pub/bsf5048-eng.html#s5
Green Levy: http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/trade-commerce/tariff-tarif/2007/tn21-eng.html

Paid at the Ministry of Transportation [provincial]:

PST

Paid afterwards:

RIV Fee [to get Form 2]

https://www.riv.ca/PaymentAndFees.aspx

No manufacturer's warranty in Canada (as of 2009 October):

Chrysler
Honda
Hyundai
Acura
Mini Cooper
Isuzu
Mitsubishi
Nissan
Scion
Suzuki
VW (2009 onward)
Audi (2009 onward)


Thanks, JPTN!

Great summary. Could be a sticky if things didn't change so quickly.

[Genia11]

I am hoping someone can help me.

I imported a 2009 Camry in 2008 and now it is being recalled for the pedal problem.

Do I have to get my car back to an US dealership for repairs or can I just take it to a Canadian dealership?

Thanks. Your help is appreciated.

G.

[killbillvol1]

Great post JPTN, but a couple of things. The Green Levy is only for vehicles put into service March 2007 or later - they had incorrectly charged me this for my 2005 Pathfinder but I was able to get a refund after some paperwork.

Also, for both my imported cars, I was charged the RIV fee along with the GST at the border crossing. Perhaps this has changed, but the $208 or so was charged at the crossing.

The Canadian Border gets the foreign exchange rate from the Bank of Canada daily and it is set for the ENTIRE day and updated every morning.

The converted USD/CAD value of the vehicle on the day the vehicle CROSSES the border is used to calculate GST due at the border.

Paid at the border [federal]:

GST on converted value
A/C Tax ($100 + GST)
Duty (6.1% of the converted value + GST on top of duty if the VIN starts with a LETTER)
Green Levy [6.1% + GST] (gas guzzler tax if 45% city + 55% highway L/100km is LESS than 13L/100km)

Example: http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/pub/bsf5048-eng.html#s5
Green Levy: http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/trade-commerce/tariff-tarif/2007/tn21-eng.html

Paid at the Ministry of Transportation [provincial]:

PST

Paid afterwards:

RIV Fee [to get Form 2]

https://www.riv.ca/PaymentAndFees.aspx

No manufacturer's warranty in Canada (as of 2009 October):

Chrysler
Honda
Hyundai
Acura
Mini Cooper
Isuzu
Mitsubishi
Nissan
Scion
Suzuki
VW (2009 onward)
Audi (2009 onward)

[stealth]

I was told by the US border that I could only bring my car across at Lewiston, not Peace or Rainbow Bridge .Is this correct? If so, what happens if I arrive at the border outside of business hours?

Also, is there a source to corroborate the lack of warranty here?
That was part of my decision for bringing one over...Looks like I should ave picked a BMW instead!
But does this mean that I can get warranty work done if I towed or drove the car back to the US even after its been imported into Canada? Does it impact any future recall service?

Will the MTO give me a temp tag with just a VIN number and proof of insurance?

[james-007]

I am hoping someone can help me.

I imported a 2009 Camry in 2008 and now it is being recalled for the pedal problem.

Do I have to get my car back to an US dealership for repairs or can I just take it to a Canadian dealership?

Thanks. Your help is appreciated.

G.

You can take it to any Toyota Dealer. I have gotten warranty work done on my Highlander with any issues.

[shopper-X]

I am hoping someone can help me.

I imported a 2009 Camry in 2008 and now it is being recalled for the pedal problem.

Do I have to get my car back to an US dealership for repairs or can I just take it to a Canadian dealership?

Thanks. Your help is appreciated.

G.

Since it's a US purchased vehicle you should be covered under the US recall program and any Toyota Canada dealer should fix it.

Toyota Canada expected to join U.S. recall (http://www.wheels.ca/Article%20Category/article/783159)

Toyota Canada says it may announce a recall today of about 200,000 vehicles to fix problems involving accelerator pedals that become stuck in floor mats.


Toyota Canada MAY announce the same recall. Seriously, MAY, if there is a problem, do the recall! I guess Canadians are not as important as the Americans, yet Toyota has a higher profit margin in Canada.

[a in yul]

Whats the best way to calculate the cost benefit of keeping a 2006 SUV OR getting a new one..?

KM's
% interest charged
warranty
extended warranty
safety features
extra features

Thks..!!

[JPTN]

I work for an auto importer.

Odd that Scion is on this list since Toyotas are not? May I ask who your source is on that?

Scion: I've seen them imported, but there's no manufacturer-backed warranty because there are no dealerships here so no trained technicians, no parts, etc. (Source: Scion/Toyota USA)

Great post JPTN, but a couple of things. The Green Levy is only for vehicles put into service March 2007 or later - they had incorrectly charged me this for my 2005 Pathfinder but I was able to get a refund after some paperwork.

Also, for both my imported cars, I was charged the RIV fee along with the GST at the border crossing. Perhaps this has changed, but the $208 or so was charged at the crossing.

Oops. I'm used to dealing with new cars. The full tax information is available on the Canadian Border Services page I linked to for reference. You are correct that it is only applicable to 2007 March and later and it does NOT apply to pickup trucks: http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/trade-commerce/tariff-tarif/2007/tn21-eng.html

I was told by the US border that I could only bring my car across at Lewiston, not Peace or Rainbow Bridge .Is this correct? If so, what happens if I arrive at the border outside of business hours?

Only certain border crossings handle vehicle imports. All documentation must be at the crossing 3 business days before you arrive. Also, vehicle imports are only handled during regular business hours (unlike people crossing the border, which is 24/7).

Also, is there a source to corroborate the lack of warranty here?
That was part of my decision for bringing one over...Looks like I should ave picked a BMW instead!
But does this mean that I can get warranty work done if I towed or drove the car back to the US even after its been imported into Canada? Does it impact any future recall service?

Will the MTO give me a temp tag with just a VIN number and proof of insurance?

Temp tag? Once you import the vehicle, you have to have it inspected within 45 days. http://www.riv.ca/RIVInspection.aspx

Once inspected, you can register and plate the vehicle, then drive it back to the US. MTO doesn't handle your insurance...

As for warranty, certain manufacturers will allow you to take it back to the US for service. Other manufacturers, most notably Honda, automatically VOID the warranty completely once it's registered in Canada. Check with the manufacturer.

APA's Warranty List (though I don't know when it was last updated):
http://www.apa.ca/template.asp?DocID=253

The Automobile Protection Association (APA) is a membership based non-profit association dedicated to promoting consumer interests in the marketplace.

http://www.apa.ca/template.asp?docID=66

Canadian Border Services' complete 38-page PDF on vehicle imports:
http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/dm-md/d19/d19-12-1-eng.pdf

[michelb]

You can take it to any Toyota Dealer. I have gotten warranty work done on my Highlander with any issues.

Since it's a US purchased vehicle you should be covered under the US recall program and any Toyota Canada dealer should fix it.

Toyota Canada expected to join U.S. recall (http://www.wheels.ca/Article%20Category/article/783159)


Toyota Canada MAY announce the same recall. Seriously, MAY, if there is a problem, do the recall! I guess Canadians are not as important as the Americans, yet Toyota has a higher profit margin in Canada.

FWIW, there's a recall on the Sienna trunk lift in the US but not in Canada and when I brought it in to have done at my local Toyota dealership (Orleans Toyota), I was told that I had to get it done in the US because there was no recall in Canada for that.

[yangpa]

FWIW, there's a recall on the Sienna trunk lift in the US but not in Canada and when I brought it in to have done at my local Toyota dealership (Orleans Toyota), I was told that I had to get it done in the US because there was no recall in Canada for that.

Michelb, can you give more details on this recall? Thx

[JPTN]

Michelb, can you give more details on this recall? Thx

USA: National Highway Traffic Safety Administration Recall Search: http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/recalls/recallsearch.cfm

Canada: Transport Canada Recall Search: http://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/saf-sec-sur/7/vrdb-bdrv/search/Search.aspx?lang=eng

[Monsieurmaggot]

Only certain border crossings handle vehicle imports. All documentation must be at the crossing 3 business days before you arrive. Also, vehicle imports are only handled during regular business hours (unlike people crossing the border, which is 24/7).

That's not entirely accurate.

You can IMPORT a car at ANY Canadian port of entry across Canada 24/7 providing the crossing is open (not all are 24/7)

You CANNOT export a car from the US unless you pre-clear the vehicle at designated export facilities during regular business hours. You could essentially clear the car at US customs, turn around and go shopping then cross over anytime you wanted to.

On the Niagara river (ONT/NY) you can only export a vehicle from the US at Lewiston NY but can import it into Canada not only at Lewiston but also at the Rainbow, River (Whirlpool Rapids) and Fort Erie bridges. Goofy but true. I ran into this when I imported my car.

Here's the list of all land-based ports of entries in Canada:

http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/contact/listing/indexpages/indextype15-e.html

Here's also a great official document outlining the entire importation process:

http://cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/dm-md/d19/d19-12-1-eng.pdf

[michelb]

Michelb, can you give more details on this recall? Thx

USA: National Highway Traffic Safety Administration Recall Search: http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/recalls/recallsearch.cfm

Canada: Transport Canada Recall Search: http://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/saf-sec-sur/7/vrdb-bdrv/search/Search.aspx?lang=eng

The link JPTN will provide them. In the US, there are 3 recalls for 2006 Sienna (although 2 are for labels on some 30000 vans). The other one is the one for the 'Recall ID # 08V244000 - STRUCTURE:BODY:HATCHBACK/LIFTGATE ' that I tried to have done at the local dealership but they wouldn't do it since it was only a recall in the US. There are no recalls on the 2006 Sienna in Canada.

[JPTN]

That's not entirely accurate.

You can IMPORT a car at ANY Canadian port of entry across Canada 24/7 providing the crossing is open (not all are 24/7)

You CANNOT export a car from the US unless you pre-clear the vehicle at designated export facilities during regular business hours. You could essentially clear the car at US customs, turn around and go shopping then cross over anytime you wanted to.

On the Niagara river (ONT/NY) you can only export a vehicle from the US at Lewiston NY but can import it into Canada not only at Lewiston but also at the Rainbow, River (Whirlpool Rapids) and Fort Erie bridges. Goofy but true. I ran into this when I imported my car.

Here's the list of all land-based ports of entries in Canada:

http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/contact/listing/indexpages/indextype15-e.html

Here's also a great official document outlining the entire importation process:

http://cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/dm-md/d19/d19-12-1-eng.pdf

Thanks for the clarification, Monsieurmaggot.

A lot of people don't realize that you're dealing with TWO border services, each with its own responsibilities and procedures: US & Canada. US Border clears the car to be EXported and makes sure there's nothing preventing the car from being exported (e.g. stolen, liens, etc.)

Canada Border Services then IMports the car.

[Messerschmitt]

For imported cars (honda, VW, etc) can you warranty your car at a canadian dealer or do you have to go back in US to a US dealer?

[michelb]

For imported cars (honda, VW, etc) can you warranty your car at a canadian dealer or do you have to go back in US to a US dealer?

I can understand that reading every single page might not be reasonable but did you could have looked at the previous page or at least searched for it (wouldn't be a bad idea to read the first page either).

[west]

For imported cars (honda, VW, etc) can you warranty your car at a canadian dealer or do you have to go back in US to a US dealer?

It varies as it depends on the manufacturer.

[Anessa]

ANyone import a Genesis coupe? Would you figure Hyundai is one of the more reasonable companies that allow imports from dealers?


Be aware you have no warranty on the vehicle once imported and will be responsible for any necessary conversion costs such as daytime running lights, child seat latches, etc

[mangoman]

Ah ok - I don't think the statement is correct - perhaps it depends on the model but I was covered by Scion USA for warranty work similar to Subaru USA's policy - I paid for the work/parts and then was reimbursed by Scion/Toyota USA. Afterall if you look inside, the parts are just Toyota parts that can be ordered by any Toyota dealer.

I work for an auto importer.

Scion: I've seen them imported, but there's no manufacturer-backed warranty because there are no dealerships here so no trained technicians, no parts, etc. (Source: Scion/Toyota USA)