WOW ---- New cars from US up to 30% cheaper (cost to import under $200)

[michelb]

if it is the case, then HONDA USA should honor the warranty if we drive over the border to get the service done. SO much for free trade :-)

I thought the whole point of NAFTA is allowing goods and services to freely flows so everyonce can benefit.

Again, the Canadian Government can't force Honda USA to have specific terms in their warranties - Honda USA only sells to people in the US so it only offers it's warranty to residents of the US - that's within their rights. They could also sell cars with no warranty at all if they wanted to. If you aren't a resident in the US, you aren't satisfying the terms that they impose for the warranty coverage so you don't get any warranty - there's nothing illegal here. Similarly if I wanted to buy a hot pink Honda Civic or something, Honda doesn't sell them but the government can't force them to start selling it. They have the choice of the models / options / colors and warranty terms they want to provide, that's their right as a business owner.

As far as NAFTA, it's a trade / labour / environmental / etc agreement and has nothing to do with consumers buying cars (or other goods) in other countries.

[GT!!]

RFDers unite! Do your part to keep the Canadian economy strong. Don't buy overpriced cars from greedy Canadian dealers. With the Canadian dollar close to par, Canadian dealers don't value your business and keep prices artificially high. Don't fall for the scare tactics. You can save tens of thousands of dollars by buying your cars in US! Then spend your savings in Canada at vendors who value your business. Post your experiences here or at www.carburner.com

You may want to adjust your sig to reflect the new reality of a 77 cent dollar.

-GT

[jed]

If Canadian dealers/manufacturers wanted to really compete against the US, they could start with a decent vehicle search engine ala autotrader.com to make it easier to find & buy their product.

I can find a car sitting in AZ easier than one 30 miles away. That ability to get the vehicle I need, even with the dollar, from my chair, works for me.

[Monsieurmaggot]

You may want to adjust your sig to reflect the new reality of a 77 cent dollar.

-GT

Thanks.

I just did...

[ryandk]

This is a bit off-topic, but it really irks me when car dealerships (or any store, for that matter) charges more than MSRP for an item.

I guess I had e-mailed a Bellingham VW dealership about a Jetta TDI a few months ago. They finally got back to me, telling me they had one in stock for full MSRP plus a $1500 "market adjustment". I asked about the market adjustment, and this is what she said:

Market adjustment is an amount we add onto the MSRP and we do this because the TDI's are in high demand and limited supply. Other dealers are marking up their TDI's from $2k to $4+ above MSRP. The TDI's hold their value extremely well. Prime example is my customer who was on our waiting list for 1 year for a 2009 Jetta Wagon TDI. He was the first one on the list and bought our first Jetta Wagon TDI, manual transmission. After 2 weeks of owning it he decided he really had to have an automatic so his daughter could drive it too. He traded it in for what he paid (MSRP + $1,500) and we turned around and sold it again for even more. It was on the lot for 1 week.

Are you interested in our 2009 Jetta TDI Sedan? Would you like to come in to see it?

Carol

Carol Weymouth
Internet Sales Specialist
Roger Jobs Motors, Inc.
2200 Iowa St.
Bellingham, WA 98229
360-734-5230 x318 or 800-326-5230 x318
cell: 425-750-6106
www.rogerjobs.com

Dealerships who charge a premium for a car should be boycotted. How greedy can they be when their country is in a recession? They should be happy to sell anything.

[james-007]

This is a bit off-topic, but it really irks me when car dealerships (or any store, for that matter) charges more than MSRP for an item.

I guess I had e-mailed a Bellingham VW dealership about a Jetta TDI a few months ago. They finally got back to me, telling me they had one in stock for full MSRP plus a $1500 "market adjustment". I asked about the market adjustment, and this is what she said:

Market adjustment is an amount we add onto the MSRP and we do this because the TDI's are in high demand and limited supply. Other dealers are marking up their TDI's from $2k to $4+ above MSRP. The TDI's hold their value extremely well. Prime example is my customer who was on our waiting list for 1 year for a 2009 Jetta Wagon TDI. He was the first one on the list and bought our first Jetta Wagon TDI, manual transmission. After 2 weeks of owning it he decided he really had to have an automatic so his daughter could drive it too. He traded it in for what he paid (MSRP + $1,500) and we turned around and sold it again for even more. It was on the lot for 1 week.

Are you interested in our 2009 Jetta TDI Sedan? Would you like to come in to see it?

Carol

Carol Weymouth
Internet Sales Specialist
Roger Jobs Motors, Inc.
2200 Iowa St.
Bellingham, WA 98229
360-734-5230 x318 or 800-326-5230 x318
cell: 425-750-6106
www.rogerjobs.com

Dealerships who charge a premium for a car should be boycotted. How greedy can they be when their country is in a recession? They should be happy to sell anything.

That just bunch of horse **** if you ask me. I wouldn't pay him that look are a used one from private sale and save yourself even more.

[drayog]

This is just horse**** I would boycott this dealer and tell others too also :Carol Weymouth
Internet Sales Specialist
Roger Jobs Motors, Inc.
2200 Iowa St.
Bellingham, WA 98229

[EL820]

This is a bit off-topic, but it really irks me when car dealerships (or any store, for that matter) charges more than MSRP for an item.

I guess I had e-mailed a Bellingham VW dealership about a Jetta TDI a few months ago. They finally got back to me, telling me they had one in stock for full MSRP plus a $1500 "market adjustment". I asked about the market adjustment, and this is what she said:

Market adjustment is an amount we add onto the MSRP and we do this because the TDI's are in high demand and limited supply. Other dealers are marking up their TDI's from $2k to $4+ above MSRP. The TDI's hold their value extremely well. Prime example is my customer who was on our waiting list for 1 year for a 2009 Jetta Wagon TDI. He was the first one on the list and bought our first Jetta Wagon TDI, manual transmission. After 2 weeks of owning it he decided he really had to have an automatic so his daughter could drive it too. He traded it in for what he paid (MSRP + $1,500) and we turned around and sold it again for even more. It was on the lot for 1 week.

Are you interested in our 2009 Jetta TDI Sedan? Would you like to come in to see it?

Carol

Carol Weymouth
Internet Sales Specialist
Roger Jobs Motors, Inc.
2200 Iowa St.
Bellingham, WA 98229
360-734-5230 x318 or 800-326-5230 x318
cell: 425-750-6106
www.rogerjobs.com

Dealerships who charge a premium for a car should be boycotted. How greedy can they be when their country is in a recession? They should be happy to sell anything.

If the dealer can sell a vehicle for MSRP + a premium, why wouldn't they do it. The dealer is being honest about it...it all comes down to supply & demand. If you don't want it for that price, someone else on the waiting list will take it. Let's be honest, I think you'll do the same if you were in the dealer's shoes. LOL

[nasersid]

If the dealer can sell a vehicle for MSRP + a premium, why wouldn't they do it. The dealer is being honest about it...it all comes down to supply & demand. If you don't want it for that price, someone else on the waiting list will take it. Let's be honest, I think you'll do the same if you were in the dealer's shoes. LOL

Wrong & Wrong the dealership should never be allowed to sell above MSRP. That can turn away a potential buyer to start looking into other alternative brands. That is precisely the reason why the MSRP is listed to begin with.

If all dealers start setting prices as they wish sure enough a desperate buyer or two will buy at that price but more buyers will refrain from buying it and buy a different brand instead and also the fact that dealerships for this brand can charge as they please sends a bad message about their reputation so all in all it is hurting that organization.

[jed]

All dealerships do set their own prices, and just like used, they will sell to what the market will bear. Doesn't make it right or wrong, just the free market.

To our advantage, we have the ability to not buy from these dealers. That also is our right, to check around and find the best deal.

If a customer is not willing to do the legwork and find a deal thats right for them, then let them pay full pop plus some. You want market regulation with set prices, it ain't gonna be in the car business. Thats why the disclaimers on all their ads say, dealer may sell for less. They may also sell for more.

[ryandk]

It makes it difficult when all the dealerships in a certain area collude to charge more than MRSP to gouge the consumer. Because a car is popular or only available in limited quantities doesn't mean a dealership should jack up the MSRP.

You mention the free market. Many manufacturers have agreements with merchants that prohibits them from selling their goods for more than MSRP. Look at the Nintendo Wii. Retailers could have sold them for and extra hundred dollars or more over MSRP if they wanted to, but Nintendo prohibits this. Of course, this leads to people buying Wii units they don't need and selling them to desperate people via Craigslist or eBay. The same goes for concert tickets. Ticketmaster sells them at a set price, and doesn't raise the price by hundreds of dollars because of demand. Scalpers do that. That's the free market for you.

But when the retailer decides to charge more just because they can, and they all decide to do so, preventing the consumer from getting the item at a fair price, IT'S WRONG. Screw them all.



All dealerships do set their own prices, and just like used, they will sell to what the market will bear. Doesn't make it right or wrong, just the free market.

To our advantage, we have the ability to not buy from these dealers. That also is our right, to check around and find the best deal.

If a customer is not willing to do the legwork and find a deal thats right for them, then let them pay full pop plus some. You want market regulation with set prices, it ain't gonna be in the car business. Thats why the disclaimers on all their ads say, dealer may sell for less. They may also sell for more.

[jed]

Didn't say it was right, just it was free market - take your Wii example - retailers aren't selling it for more, but there are a lot of people who were buying them and reselling them for more (and now the Fit). The venue has changed but the pricing situation is the same as the car MSRP, except the dealer is making the extra for the cars, and others are on the Wii.

There is no solution to something like this, only that it is a short run thing. Demand will fall, supply will increase, and pricing will adjust, likely to below MSRP. It all works out in the end, IF you can have patience.

Hell, it took me 2 yrs to find a used pickup, but I got what I wanted, for the price I wanted to pay. Patience.

[ac328]

It makes it difficult when all the dealerships in a certain area collude to charge more than MRSP to gouge the consumer. Because a car is popular or only available in limited quantities doesn't mean a dealership should jack up the MSRP..

LOL going by your dubious logic GM shouldn't try to lower the prices on its full size trucks either, just because people stopped buying them.

Did you grow up in North Korea or something? Seems like the basic principles of capitalism elude you.

[pulsar]

MSRP = Manufacturer SUGGESTED Retail Price

It does not state the retailer must abide by the price. The manufacturer's say the vehicle is worth this much and should sell for this much. It is only a SUGGESTED price. If the market will bear more, then they can sell for more. Hence MSRP.

[scrolllock]

Is this thread stuck at page 1068?

are they trying to tell us to move on....

[Kamloops]

Ok I searched and searched and have not found this so I am asking here

My buddy bought a 2006 GMC truck in the USA, was still under warrenty and he called gmc canada to make sure before he bought it that warrenty would be good in Canada.

He took it in for some warrenty work and they would not do it, said they are not allowed to do any warrenty work to it unless they change the cluster at a cost of 400 to 700 dollars first.

They said they had a Memo from GM, they showed hm the memo.

Has anyone heard of this sounds nuts!

[GregGH]

Ok I searched and searched and have not found this so I am asking here

My buddy bought a 2006 GMC truck in the USA, was still under warrenty and he called gmc canada to make sure before he bought it that warrenty would be good in Canada.

He took it in for some warrenty work and they would not do it, said they are not allowed to do any warrenty work to it unless they change the cluster at a cost of 400 to 700 dollars first.

They said they had a Memo from GM, they showed hm the memo.

Has anyone heard of this sounds nuts!

Read CARBURNER.COM

[jed]

Take it to another dealership. Also, he can change ownership with GM by filling out the insert in his owners manual and sending it in, or calling GM Canada - I believe that their number has been listed in the thread.

[pulsar]

He took it in for some warrenty work and they would not do it, said they are not allowed to do any warrenty work to it unless they change the cluster at a cost of 400 to 700 dollars first.

Sounds like bullc**p to me. My friend purchased a used US GMC up here in Canada from a GM dealer. The dealer told him full warranty. His cluster is still a US cluster reading MPH.

Looks like the memo may be "fake" written on fake letterhead.

Anyways take it to another dealer and tell us how it goes.

[apesma]

I have seen lots of ads that say dealer may sell for less. I have never seen one that says dealer may sell for more.

[Matty]

All--
Am I the only one, who for the past few weeks, is simply unable to see the last few posts in this thread? For example, hovering over the linkable page numbers pops up the mini-window text that shows there are apparently 16027posts right now, yet I can only view the penultimate page, which goes up to post #16020.

[apesma]

bump

[Monsieurmaggot]

That happens a lot across the entire site.

When you get near the end of the page, a new page appears but since nothing appears on that page you cannot access it.

Someone suggested it was due to a new post being deleted.

I can't believe that since it happens all over this site now.

Speaking of cars, anyone seen the numbers for sales in the marketplace? I read many are down 40% from last year.

Can't wait for the $3000 Chinese or Indian cars to come to market. Buying cars at Wal-Mart might be a reality soon.

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/04/under_3000_the.php

http://www.autosavant.com/2007/10/25/nissan-could-sell-3000-car-worldwide/#comments

Be curious to see what happens to the $50,000 UAW/CAW-made vehicles. Really can't see paying Canadian autoworkers $100k to assemble a car in Canada since Canada is now the most expensive place on the planet to assemble them.

I know the US is trying their darnest to keep those cars out of the US marketplace too. Imagine a Heath-kit car you can assemble yourself.

[ipassgas]

Can someone help me out please....
I live in Toronto 7 months of the year and Florida for 5 months.
Is there anything stopping me from buying a car in Florida, licensing it in Florida, insuring it in Florida, and driving it to Canada to use for the 7 months I'm in the country and then driving it back to its "home" in Florida for the next 5 months? I own a home in Florida and would register it in the state.
Thanks for you help.

[smpmush]

Be curious to see what happens to the $50,000 UAW/CAW-made vehicles. Really can't see paying Canadian autoworkers $100k to assemble a car in Canada since Canada is now the most expensive place on the planet to assemble them.

I know the US is trying their darnest to keep those cars out of the US marketplace too. Imagine a Heath-kit car you can assemble yourself.

A Can. autoworker would have to work many ,many hours of OT to make $100g a year...

The assembly costs of a vehical only equate to 7% of the total cost of the vehical! All auto companies sell $50,000 vehicals so I'm not sure how you equate cost with the fact the CAW/UAW are involved in assembly.. Non union wages in assembly plant's pretty much mirror union shops.. It's legacy costs where things differ, but thats a whole different subject..

Canada is not the most expensive place on the planet to build cars..I doubt Honda, Toyota etc would matain a presence here if that was the case.. In fact a union shop in Oshawa has been found to be the most productive and efficient assembly on the face of the planet..More than once over the past few years..

Mr DesRosier who you seem to deem a lot of your info from,is hardly an biased voice of the industry.. He makes his money consulting for the auto companies and therefor his opinons must be take with a huge grain of salt.. The falling $ actually makes Canada a very good place to build cars thats why the province of Ont is so dependent on the industry..In the years of the low canuk buck the auto industry flourished in Ont.. Not a coincidence!

The CAW in the last contract made concessions to reduce labour costs for the big 3... a fact that seems to evade Mr DesRosier in his doom and gloom predictions for the auto industry..

All auto companies are being hurt by the economic downturn and if you check into it the "offshore" companies are also seeking/recieving "loans" from there prospective governments, in there "home" country's..

[cookiemunster]

My parents had this issue, and they said they had to move the registration to Canada or they would have a hard time avoiding being declared a permanent resident for taxation purposes. So if you own a home there, you might want to keep that in mind. You could buy it there, register it, insure it and drive it until you come home and import it.

[kplange]

Can someone help me out please....
I live in Toronto 7 months of the year and Florida for 5 months.
Is there anything stopping me from buying a car in Florida, licensing it in Florida, insuring it in Florida, and driving it to Canada to use for the 7 months I'm in the country and then driving it back to its "home" in Florida for the next 5 months? I own a home in Florida and would register it in the state.
Thanks for you help.

I don't have the specific regulations or documents in front of me to quote from, but the answer is "No". I had looked into this myself as I'm in the same situation as you except it's BC and Arizona. Legally, you are only allowed to bring the U.S. registered vehicle into Canada long enough to drop off passengers and or goods at your Canadian residence, then return the vehicle to the U.S.

[JustPass]

Thanks OP, Very uesful!

[jed]

I have seen lots of ads that say dealer may sell for less. I have never seen one that says dealer may sell for more.

You won't - nothing anywhere says they have to sell for a certain price, and in fact, that can be called collusion in some circles.

[mangoman]

I don't think it's the autoworkers that are doing GM/Chrysler/Ford in, quite simply it's the vehicles. I didn't need an SUV and I still don't need a "crossover" Flex - I'm not saying they don't know how to build them but they just refuse to delay bringing the cars we actually want (like the Euro Focus, Mondeo, astra lineup (finally made it here)) configured the way we want them (where are the Clean diesels they sell so well everywhere else!!??

Oh and not sure about the other ones but the newly opened Toyota plant in Woodstock is not a union-shop.

A Can. autoworker would have to work many ,many hours of OT to make $100g a year...

The assembly costs of a vehical only equate to 7% of the total cost of the vehical! All auto companies sell $50,000 vehicals so I'm not sure how you equate cost with the fact the CAW/UAW are involved in assembly.. Non union wages in assembly plant's pretty much mirror union shops.. It's legacy costs where things differ, but thats a whole different subject..

Canada is not the most expensive place on the planet to build cars..I doubt Honda, Toyota etc would matain a presence here if that was the case.. In fact a union shop in Oshawa has been found to be the most productive and efficient assembly on the face of the planet..More than once over the past few years..

Mr DesRosier who you seem to deem a lot of your info from,is hardly an biased voice of the industry.. He makes his money consulting for the auto companies and therefor his opinons must be take with a huge grain of salt.. The falling $ actually makes Canada a very good place to build cars thats why the province of Ont is so dependent on the industry..In the years of the low canuk buck the auto industry flourished in Ont.. Not a coincidence!

The CAW in the last contract made concessions to reduce labour costs for the big 3... a fact that seems to evade Mr DesRosier in his doom and gloom predictions for the auto industry..

All auto companies are being hurt by the economic downturn and if you check into it the "offshore" companies are also seeking/recieving "loans" from there prospective governments, in there "home" country's..

[killbillvol1]

So I completed the process of importing another vehicle last night - another pre-owned one.

Learnt a couple of new things:

* Cars made or put into service after March 19, 2007 pay an extra green fee/tax if they are inefficient cars. The levy ranges from $1k to $7k for the mother of all gas guzzlers. I was incorrectly assessed this for my 2005 vehicle, and will be trying to get a refund.

* The agent at the border informed me the 45 days to complete the import was from the day you pay the $208 RIV fee, not from the day you drive it across and pay the GST. Not accurate.

[Kamloops]

Read CARBURNER.COM

Maybe Carburner needs to update the site for gm vehicles!

Emailed GMC, lame response..So I called , she said yes you have to have the cluster changed out so it is in KM rather than MPH before they will perform any warranty work I asked why and she said its to prevent fraud???

I told her what it seems just like another wall to stop the importation of GM's. Then she says well we have to support the Canadian Economy. What a load of crap, I cant believe the GM employees even believe this $hit. Bunch of brainwashed morons working there.

I will never buy a GMC, dont they get that pulling this crap turns people off from ever buying the product!
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Due to the nature of your comments, we feel it would be more appropriate to personally communicate with you to review your concerns. However, we were unable to reach you by telephone.


We ask that you contact XXXX at 1-800-263-3777 ext. XXXX


We look forward to hearing from you.


XXXX
Internet Correspondent
www.gm.ca

[GreenLotus]

http://image.automotive.com/f/auto_shows/coverage/new_york/8212409/112_0803_03s+2009_honda_fit_sport+front_view.jpg

Anyone owns this car? Would you recommend people to buy this car? Top of the line is $25,000. Is it worth to go across the boarder?

[HP_John]

I understand some of the frustration, but some fair things to point out:

MSRP & invoice prices are set by the manufacturer, not the dealer. Cdn dealers can't control the fact they pay much more to the manufacturer for a car currently than US dealers. When the Cdn dollar was really weak (like $1 US = $1.50 Cdn or more), US prices were more than Cdn once you factored the exchange rate. That situation wasn't because of US dealers either, it was the manufacturer.

[orit]

Thank you - its always a battle to go to staes to buy a car or buy it here
this helps
Cheers

[ZackBC]

So I hope someone here can clarify this for me.. Im looking to pickup a used Land Rover in the US... however I was reading on the car burner site that there is a Gaz Gullzer Tax of which if applied to my purchase, will no longer make it a good deal... I just want to make sure this only applies to NEW vehicles? Not to used vehicles? Has anyone else ran into this?

[Kamloops]

Called GM Canad yesterday and they told me all GMC vehicles imported from the USA require the cluster to be changed now before they will honor any warranty claims. They said it needs to be in KM not Miles.

This part is still the same:
(Delayed Warranty Coverage) The owner of a new GM car imported from the U.S. must wait until the car is 6 months old or 12,000 km. before registering the warranty. It appears (this should be confirmed with GMC) that the 6 months begins at the 'in-service' date so a used vehicle more than 6 months old, would get immediate coverage in Canada.

Load of crap if you ask me!

[cinqhoda]

So I hope someone here can clarify this for me.. Im looking to pickup a used Land Rover in the US... however I was reading on the car burner site that there is a Gaz Gullzer Tax of which if applied to my purchase, will no longer make it a good deal... I just want to make sure this only applies to NEW vehicles? Not to used vehicles? Has anyone else ran into this?

Here is the link to the Canadian Government site:
http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/E/pub/et/etsl64/etsl64-e.html

Here is a quote from that page:
For imported vehicles, the tax will only apply to automobiles first put into service on or after March 20, 2007. An automobile is considered to be put into service at the earliest of:

* the date the automobile is registered with a motor vehicle authority;
* the date it is plated;
* the date on which the automobile's warranty has been put in place; or
* the date the automobile is appropriated by a dealer for their own use.

[ZackBC]

Ah perfect thanks.. so it is only just new vehicles (2007+).. I should have read that entire page, ugh. Thanks though.

[cinqhoda]

Called GM Canad yesterday and they told me all GMC vehicles imported from the USA require the cluster to be changed now before they will honor any warranty claims. They said it needs to be in KM not Miles.

I would think that one could get the US dealer to put a "KM" cluster in for you as a condition of the sale. A Montana Volkswagen dealer did this for my friend's Golf GTI. Probably a lot cheaper to have it done in the US as well.

[jed]

Any idea of the effective date on this "new Policy"?


Called GM Canad yesterday and they told me all GMC vehicles imported from the USA require the cluster to be changed now before they will honor any warranty claims. They said it needs to be in KM not Miles.

This part is still the same:
(Delayed Warranty Coverage) The owner of a new GM car imported from the U.S. must wait until the car is 6 months old or 12,000 km. before registering the warranty. It appears (this should be confirmed with GMC) that the 6 months begins at the 'in-service' date so a used vehicle more than 6 months old, would get immediate coverage in Canada.

Load of crap if you ask me!

[Matty]

Anyone owns this car? Would you recommend people to buy this car? Top of the line is $25,000. Is it worth to go across the boarder?

???

[tyfriend]

I can't see how Canadian car dealerships can justify continuing overcharging customers. There is a large price difference between a brand new car in the Canada and the US and this has been known for years. It has not been up until recently with forums such as RFD that information such as http://www.carburner.com/index.php?title=Main_Page is produced to help the Canadian consumer fight back against discrimination. Because that's what it is. DISCRIMINATION. Just because we live north of the border they can charge us up to 30% more which is in the excess of thousands if purchasing a brand new car. I dont think so.

[jed]

Been discussed many times in the thread - this isn't the dealerships, as it is the manufacturers.

Manufacturers set the price the dealerships have to pay for the product, and if you believe that dealerships are making $5000-$10000 on a vehicle, you might educate yourself a bit more.

[bmmr]

This is the authorized source for cluster changes for GM

http://www.custone.com/cei/current_specials.asp

[Marzipan]

Called GM Canad yesterday and they told me all GMC vehicles imported from the USA require the cluster to be changed now before they will honor any warranty claims. They said it needs to be in KM not Miles.

This part is still the same:
(Delayed Warranty Coverage) The owner of a new GM car imported from the U.S. must wait until the car is 6 months old or 12,000 km. before registering the warranty. It appears (this should be confirmed with GMC) that the 6 months begins at the 'in-service' date so a used vehicle more than 6 months old, would get immediate coverage in Canada.

Load of crap if you ask me!

I believe the warranty condition is: The owner of a new GM car imported from the U.S. must wait until the car is 6 months old AND 12,000 km.

My Chevrolet import was registered with GM before I imported it. But I must wait until the odometer reaches 12,000 km ... or drive back over the border for warranty work.

As for changing the cluster, my import is either miles nor kms depending on you rselection. Just get out the owner's manual and read which buttons to press.

[jed]

Sounds like this may apply to only new. I get the idea that they may be trying to not have warranty issues with incorrect odometers - you go in with 60000 miles, not kms, and the service writer doesn't recognize you have a US car, and warranty goes through.

Depending upon the writer, and how busy they are, would determine if this got caught. GM may be trying to not have this happen. I hope not, cause I'd hate to have to change my cluster for my used van.

[moneylover]

hi I will be bringing a honda motorcycle into canada.

I know that you have to pay a $200 RIV fee at the border, but what if the bike is declared as a gift?

How could I bring the bike accross the border without paying too much tax? :(

thanks

[moneylover]

oh btw this bike is over 15 years old....... so would that reduce the excise taxes?

How much taxes and duty would I pay if it is a gift from my friend?

[freewheel]

oh btw this bike is over 15 years old....... so would that reduce the excise taxes?

How much taxes and duty would I pay if it is a gift from my friend?

"gifts" from friends do not qualify for any tax reduction. You will be charged tax on the book value. Only gifts from immediate family qualify for no tax.

They know what things are worth at the border and any unreasonably low sale price will be seen as suspect. Search other posts on declaring value.
It's really not worth trying to avoid tax.

[CRXguy]

I believe the warranty condition is: The owner of a new GM car imported from the U.S. must wait until the car is 6 months old AND 12,000 km.

My Chevrolet import was registered with GM before I imported it. But I must wait until the odometer reaches 12,000 km ... or drive back over the border for warranty work.

As for changing the cluster, my import is either miles nor kms depending on you rselection. Just get out the owner's manual and read which buttons to press.

So it's possible for me to import a brand new GM car to Canada, but if anything were to happen between 0-11999km, I'd have to pay out the work myself, or drive back to the U.S.?

[superdave]

Well with all of the cars now flooding into the US market, and a bailout eminent from the white house, I thought it would be appropriate for a new marketing campaign for the big 3

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z102/superdave_104/bailout.jpg

[Kamloops]

Sounds like this may apply to only new. I get the idea that they may be trying to not have warranty issues with incorrect odometers - you go in with 60000 miles, not kms, and the service writer doesn't recognize you have a US car, and warranty goes through.

Depending upon the writer, and how busy they are, would determine if this got caught. GM may be trying to not have this happen. I hope not, cause I'd hate to have to change my cluster for my used van.

Nope it is used, a 2006. They refuse to do any work unless you pay them 400 to 700 to change the Cluster. I called GM Canada twice and they confirmed. Policy

[PrimeBane]

I believe the warranty condition is: The owner of a new GM car imported from the U.S. must wait until the car is 6 months old AND 12,000 km.

My Chevrolet import was registered with GM before I imported it. But I must wait until the odometer reaches 12,000 km ... or drive back over the border for warranty work.

As for changing the cluster, my import is either miles nor kms depending on you rselection. Just get out the owner's manual and read which buttons to press.

Not AND... OR :) At least that's what I was told. The same info can be found at www.carburner.com

http://www.carburner.com/index.php?title=Warranty_Information

Don't most new GMs come with an odometer that can be converted between KMs and miles? I know my 2007 Saturn did.

[PrimeBane]

Well, I took my Saturn in today for an oil change, etc and they told me they have to change out the cluster... thankfully it's not costing me a cent to have it done.

Talking to the lady in the service bay, some GM dealerships in Canada have taken heck from corporate about providing warranty service without the cluster being changed out.

So what is the deal with the cluster? Is it the responsibility of the owner to change it out or is this something GM should be doing for it's customers? If GM is charging, is this just another cash grab and deterrent to get Canadians to buy local much like what BMW is doing?

[mangoman]

??? So they're making you change it for a cluster that converts from km/h to mph instead of one that converts mph to km/h?? I don't get it ... or did you mean that they told you that it has to be done for the other vehicles that don't have this feature?

Well, I took my Saturn in today for an oil change, etc and they told me they have to change out the cluster... thankfully it's not costing me a cent to have it done.

Talking to the lady in the service bay, some GM dealerships in Canada have taken heck from corporate about providing warranty service without the cluster being changed out.

So what is the deal with the cluster? Is it the responsibility of the owner to change it out or is this something GM should be doing for it's customers? If GM is charging, is this just another cash grab and deterrent to get Canadians to buy local much like what BMW is doing?

[PrimeBane]

They just told me mine had to be changed out... I'm able to switch between MPH and KMPH with the computer and the speedometer reads both so I'm not sure what the reasoning is behind it. I'm tempted to call GM for clarification.

[PrimeBane]

I called GM Canada... they don't seem to think that it needs to be changed out on my vehicle, but as long as the dealer is paying, I have no problem with it.

It sounds like it more for the older vehicles where the odometer doesn't automatically switch between KMPH and MPH... but that's not anything new.

[mangoman]

Even if you don't have to pay, avoid doing it - I always worry about their being something in the database being tagged with a generic description of the work against my VIN saying that "odometer was replaced and/or tampered with". Not saying that's what they do but if there's no need for the dealer to play with things that work perfectly fine then I say avoid it!

I called GM Canada... they don't seem to think that it needs to be changed out on my vehicle, but as long as the dealer is paying, I have no problem with it.

It sounds like it more for the older vehicles where the odometer doesn't automatically switch between KMPH and MPH... but that's not anything new.

[scrolllock]

They just told me mine had to be changed out... I'm able to switch between MPH and KMPH with the computer and the speedometer reads both so I'm not sure what the reasoning is behind it. I'm tempted to call GM for clarification.

From the information you have provided this entire "cluster" issue is quite bizzarre. If Canadian Tire passed your vehicle, it meets all the necessary safety laws and as such is allowed to be driven in Canada.

This warranty issue GM, Honda and the rest of the Car Companies are inflicting on Canadians is uncalled for and is just a cash grab and scare tactic to prevent the Canadian Automobile Consumer having choices on where they can buy their car and from whom.

Where is our govt. when it comes to supporting and bailing out companies that act like thieves? - the only answer appears to be that the Govt. is in the same den?

From what we can see, buy your next car from companies that don't discriminate. Buy your next car from companies that honor the warranty North American wide! Buy your next car from car companies that don't play games with the Canadian Consumer!

[Monsieurmaggot]

It's time for my rant...

So last year we're told Canadian car prices were high because parts were paid for with a lower Canadian dollar. "It would take some time for the price to work it's way into the system".

Jump to November 2008: Canadian car prices rise on average of 7% because the Canadian dollar has dropped.

WTF?

http://ctv2.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081219.wcpi1219/business/Business/businessBN/ctv-business

Sound familiar? It was said that Canadian oil prices don't change with the market since pricing needs to work their way through the system.

Now the price changes daily at midnight local time based on the world market. If the price is posted, isn't that price fixing?

http://www.mcteague.ca/WebPages/gas_price_today.htm

I've read that part of this economic crisis is the result of petroleum speculators who played the market to jack up the prices. People stopped buying SUVs en masse which was the mainstay of the North American auto sector.

Comments anyone?

[BeeBee]

It's time for my rant...

So last year we're told Canadian car prices were high because parts were paid for with a lower Canadian dollar. "It would take some time for the price to work it's way into the system".

Jump to November 2008: Canadian car prices rise on average of 17% because the Canadian dollar has dropped.

WTF?

http://ctv2.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081219.wcpi1219/business/Business/businessBN/ctv-business


Wow, this is disgusting. When CDN dollar was close to par, car prices in Canada stayed about the same. Now that the CDN dollar went down to where it was a couple of years ago, car prices went up 7.2%. :mad:


[/QUOTE]"However, what grabbed economists' attention is that the Bank of Canada's index of core inflation, which excludes volatile items such as energy and food, unexpectedly rose 2.4 per cent over the 12 months to November, Statscan noted.

This was a much sharper jump than the October-to-October period's 1.7 per cent, and was mostly driven by a 7.2 per cent spike in auto prices as the 2009 models hit showrooms."[/QUOTE]

And tax payers money is going to be used to bail the auto industry? :mad:

[Draug]

It's time for my rant...

So last year we're told Canadian car prices were high because parts were paid for with a lower Canadian dollar. "It would take some time for the price to work it's way into the system".

Jump to November 2008: Canadian car prices rise on average of 7% because the Canadian dollar has dropped.

WTF?

Sound familiar? It was said that Canadian oil prices don't change with the market since pricing needs to work their way through the system.

Now the price changes daily at midnight local time based on the world market. If the price is posted, isn't that price fixing?

http://www.mcteague.ca/WebPages/gas_price_today.htm

I've read that part of this economic crisis is the result of petroleum speculators who played the market to jack up the prices. People stopped buying SUVs en masse which was the mainstay of the North American auto sector.

Comments anyone?


Yeah, it is disgusting.

Fortunately, I was one of the early adopters (somewhere around page 130 of this thread:)) and bought a US car back in early 2007. Thanks RFD!

The plan was to sell it a year later, and buy another new one from the US. Sadly, the economic crash, coupled with the roadblocks put up by all the car companies, changed my mind for me. It would be hard to sell the 07 and hard to buy an 09. So, I will keep driving my 07 Legacy GT knowing I saved $15K on it. When the time comes for a new car, I will definately try to buy from the US first.

[Tychicum]

oh btw this bike is over 15 years old....... so would that reduce the excise taxes?

How much taxes and duty would I pay if it is a gift from my friend?If the bike is over 15 years old there is very little tax and just about no paperwork. I have brought several 15+ year old motorcycles into Canada and if it is indeed 15 years old or older the RIV could not care less about you.

Just make sure the bill of sale and border paperwork is at your crossing at least 72 hours before your crossing. On the Canada side they will charge you the 5% GST ... and any duty payable (8% of current value) as the thing wasn't likely made in North America ... and that is it. Some provinces want some blood as well. Only way around that is to move to Alberta.

If it is declared as a gift ... they charge an extra "stupid tax". This is usually levied on something else in your car for which you can't produce a receipt on the spot. Like that GPS ... or that Laptop ... or what ever they can find.

You see they think that everyone who is declaring something as a "gift" is either a criminal or stupid.

If they want to go with the "stupid angle" work with them on it. Blame a brother-in-law or something. Apologies a lot and pay your tax and hope they don't seize the bike for keeps.

If they want to go the criminal angle ... you may have to bend over a little further ... :evil:


:lol:

[MMMM]

Originally Posted by Monsieurmaggot
It's time for my rant...

So last year we're told Canadian car prices were high because parts were paid for with a lower Canadian dollar. "It would take some time for the price to work it's way into the system".

Jump to November 2008: Canadian car prices rise on average of 7% because the Canadian dollar has dropped.

WTF?

Sound familiar? It was said that Canadian oil prices don't change with the market since pricing needs to work their way through the system.

Now the price changes daily at midnight local time based on the world market. If the price is posted, isn't that price fixing?

http://www.mcteague.ca/WebPages/gas_price_today.htm

I've read that part of this economic crisis is the result of petroleum speculators who played the market to jack up the prices. People stopped buying SUVs en masse which was the mainstay of the North American auto sector.

Comments anyone?

Wow where to start. I gave up shopping in Canada a few years ago. I started with buying bike parts in the states as the savings where huge compared to Canadian bicycle retailers. Once the dollar started rising I bought my Honda Element next. I helped some friends buy a total of four vehicles (two Toyotas and one VW Toureg). Now my wife and I are doing a major house reno. We have purchased as much as possible for the reno on line or in direct purchases in the states. We have seen huge savings in plumbing.
This is the confusing part, why are plumbing parts so cheap vs Canada?? Why are cars so much more in Canada? Why are bike parts way over priced. Appliances are marked up, how come? Are we just that stupid :( that we (canadians) will pay whatever a retailer demands we pay???

I would happily support any retailer which offers products at a reasonable price. I consider that price to be U.S. msrp. If a U.S. auto retailer such as Honda can make a profit selling me an Element at invoice + $200, and many Subarus seem to have been sold at invoice in this thread, then why the huge jump in Canada?

Consider a large chunk of a Honda Element is built in Canada. the vehicle is then shipped to the States and assembled with a tranny from Japan. The car is then shipped back to Canada and sold for a profit. The same car retails for 6900.00 less (base 4wd) in the states vs Canada (2 year old data). I realize a Honda dealer in Alberta has to make a profit but;

It cannot cost that much to heat a dealership in Alberta vs Washingto state:cheesygri.
The better quality door and window seals must cost sooo much more.
The extra large windshield wiper reservoir must cost a mint.

The sad point is the Honda Element I bought is almost identicle to the one sold in Alberta. The main difference is the wirring harness used is different. The wiper reservoir is the same part number. The seals used in the car have the same part number. I purchased a new radiator and bumper assembly from the states and saved 800.00 vs honda Canada parts (same part number).

What have I learned in the past few years?
Do your research!! It is easy these days to compare prices. For large puchases arrange storage at the border and pick the products up. Learn how brokerage works and arrange it yourself. Combine purchases with friends/associates to reduce shipping costs. Do you really need the warrenty offered with the product, if so ask yourself why? (this seems to be one of the main reasons to buy a vehicle in canada) Do not ignore Canadian retailers which offer products at a reasonable price (I use U.S. msrp as a reference point) Do a search on RFD to see if the product is on sale anywhere!!:lol:


Bottom line there is little reason to support your local car dealership or most Canadian retailers until prices drop considerably. Unfortunately I do not believe this will happen...ever!

[aphextwin2050]

Hi,

Thanks for the tips. It sounds like you're in Edmonton and Calgary? I am definitely interested in purchasing from the states and was curious on who I can arrange storage with at the sweetgrass border if that's what you use? I'm looking at shipping Winter tires.

thanks!
John

Wow where to start. I gave up shopping in Canada a few years ago. I started with buying bike parts in the states as the savings where huge compared to Canadian bicycle retailers. Once the dollar started rising I bought my Honda Element next. I helped some friends buy a total of four vehicles (two Toyotas and one VW Toureg). Now my wife and I are doing a major house reno. We have purchased as much as possible for the reno on line or in direct purchases in the states. We have seen huge savings in plumbing.
This is the confusing part, why are plumbing parts so cheap vs Canada?? Why are cars so much more in Canada? Why are bike parts way over priced. Appliances are marked up, how come? Are we just that stupid :( that we (canadians) will pay whatever a retailer demands we pay???

I would happily support any retailer which offers products at a reasonable price. I consider that price to be U.S. msrp. If a U.S. auto retailer such as Honda can make a profit selling me an Element at invoice + $200, and many Subarus seem to have been sold at invoice in this thread, then why the huge jump in Canada?

Consider a large chunk of a Honda Element is built in Canada. the vehicle is then shipped to the States and assembled with a tranny from Japan. The car is then shipped back to Canada and sold for a profit. The same car retails for 6900.00 less (base 4wd) in the states vs Canada (2 year old data). I realize a Honda dealer in Alberta has to make a profit but;

It cannot cost that much to heat a dealership in Alberta vs Washingto state:cheesygri.
The better quality door and window seals must cost sooo much more.
The extra large windshield wiper reservoir must cost a mint.

The sad point is the Honda Element I bought is almost identicle to the one sold in Alberta. The main difference is the wirring harness used is different. The wiper reservoir is the same part number. The seals used in the car have the same part number. I purchased a new radiator and bumper assembly from the states and saved 800.00 vs honda Canada parts (same part number).

What have I learned in the past few years?
Do your research!! It is easy these days to compare prices. For large puchases arrange storage at the border and pick the products up. Learn how brokerage works and arrange it yourself. Combine purchases with friends/associates to reduce shipping costs. Do you really need the warrenty offered with the product, if so ask yourself why? (this seems to be one of the main reasons to buy a vehicle in canada) Do not ignore Canadian retailers which offer products at a reasonable price (I use U.S. msrp as a reference point) Do a search on RFD to see if the product is on sale anywhere!!:lol:


Bottom line there is little reason to support your local car dealership or most Canadian retailers until prices drop considerably. Unfortunately I do not believe this will happen...ever!

[scrolllock]

I've read that part of this economic crisis is the result of petroleum speculators who played the market to jack up the prices.
Comments anyone?

We also suspect that the downward trend on the price of oil is over exaggerated thanks to the same speculators and hedge funds now shorting the heck out of it. ...

[GreenLotus]

Oops... double post.

[GreenLotus]

MSRP: $26,500 - 2009 Toyota RAV4 Base 4WD 4AT
MSRP: $26,998 - 2009 Mitsubishi Outlander ES 4WD
MSRP: $26,598 - 2009 Nissan Rogue S AWD CVT

Car experts please advise which of the 3 vehicles above you would buy and why. At what price I can drive the vehicle home?

Owners of the above 3 vehicles please kindly share your experiences.

Comparison chart of the 3 vehicles (http://ca.autos.yahoo.com/newcars/compare/?mode=overview&cmp1=1620&cmp2=1382&cmp3=1337).


Thanks in advance!

[Matty]

Car experts please advise which of the 3 vehicles above you would buy and why.


RAV4: Reliability, resale, gorgeous exterior, great V6.

At what price I can drive the vehicle home?


Wha???? If you pay what the dealer quotes you, you can drive it home.

[jed]

Nope it is used, a 2006. They refuse to do any work unless you pay them 400 to 700 to change the Cluster. I called GM Canada twice and they confirmed. Policy

What a bunch of ba$tard$! Does your odometer change between metric and standard?

[jed]

Even if you don't have to pay, avoid doing it - I always worry about their being something in the database being tagged with a generic description of the work against my VIN saying that "odometer was replaced and/or tampered with". Not saying that's what they do but if there's no need for the dealer to play with things that work perfectly fine then I say avoid it!

It will be documented with the vehicles warranty so no issues - all odometer readings are very well documented and ensured that no tampering is done.

[jed]

Well, I took my Saturn in today for an oil change, etc and they told me they have to change out the cluster... thankfully it's not costing me a cent to have it done.

Talking to the lady in the service bay, some GM dealerships in Canada have taken heck from corporate about providing warranty service without the cluster being changed out.

So what is the deal with the cluster? Is it the responsibility of the owner to change it out or is this something GM should be doing for it's customers? If GM is charging, is this just another cash grab and deterrent to get Canadians to buy local much like what BMW is doing?

Hope that the dealership will do mine too! Get a copy of the warranty work order for your records to make sure it doesn't come back to bite you in the way of charging you.

[jed]

It's time for my rant...

So last year we're told Canadian car prices were high because parts were paid for with a lower Canadian dollar. "It would take some time for the price to work it's way into the system".

Jump to November 2008: Canadian car prices rise on average of 7% because the Canadian dollar has dropped.

WTF?

http://ctv2.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081219.wcpi1219/business/Business/businessBN/ctv-business

Sound familiar? It was said that Canadian oil prices don't change with the market since pricing needs to work their way through the system.

Now the price changes daily at midnight local time based on the world market. If the price is posted, isn't that price fixing?

http://www.mcteague.ca/WebPages/gas_price_today.htm

I've read that part of this economic crisis is the result of petroleum speculators who played the market to jack up the prices. People stopped buying SUVs en masse which was the mainstay of the North American auto sector.

Comments anyone?


You know why? Because Canadians are still paying. The old supply and demand. They'll raise the prices until people quit buying.

[jed]

Wow where to start. I gave up shopping in Canada a few years ago. I started with buying bike parts in the states as the savings where huge compared to Canadian bicycle retailers. Once the dollar started rising I bought my Honda Element next. I helped some friends buy a total of four vehicles (two Toyotas and one VW Toureg). Now my wife and I are doing a major house reno. We have purchased as much as possible for the reno on line or in direct purchases in the states. We have seen huge savings in plumbing.
This is the confusing part, why are plumbing parts so cheap vs Canada?? Why are cars so much more in Canada? Why are bike parts way over priced. Appliances are marked up, how come? Are we just that stupid :( that we (canadians) will pay whatever a retailer demands we pay???

I would happily support any retailer which offers products at a reasonable price. I consider that price to be U.S. msrp. If a U.S. auto retailer such as Honda can make a profit selling me an Element at invoice + $200, and many Subarus seem to have been sold at invoice in this thread, then why the huge jump in Canada?

Consider a large chunk of a Honda Element is built in Canada. the vehicle is then shipped to the States and assembled with a tranny from Japan. The car is then shipped back to Canada and sold for a profit. The same car retails for 6900.00 less (base 4wd) in the states vs Canada (2 year old data). I realize a Honda dealer in Alberta has to make a profit but;

It cannot cost that much to heat a dealership in Alberta vs Washingto state:cheesygri.
The better quality door and window seals must cost sooo much more.
The extra large windshield wiper reservoir must cost a mint.

The sad point is the Honda Element I bought is almost identicle to the one sold in Alberta. The main difference is the wirring harness used is different. The wiper reservoir is the same part number. The seals used in the car have the same part number. I purchased a new radiator and bumper assembly from the states and saved 800.00 vs honda Canada parts (same part number).

What have I learned in the past few years?
Do your research!! It is easy these days to compare prices. For large puchases arrange storage at the border and pick the products up. Learn how brokerage works and arrange it yourself. Combine purchases with friends/associates to reduce shipping costs. Do you really need the warrenty offered with the product, if so ask yourself why? (this seems to be one of the main reasons to buy a vehicle in canada) Do not ignore Canadian retailers which offer products at a reasonable price (I use U.S. msrp as a reference point) Do a search on RFD to see if the product is on sale anywhere!!:lol:


Bottom line there is little reason to support your local car dealership or most Canadian retailers until prices drop considerably. Unfortunately I do not believe this will happen...ever!

Keep in mind it isn't the local dealership that decides what they pay for vehicles from the manufacturer. In fact, alot of them were going to the Stated to buy for resale. What does that tell you.

[GreenLotus]

I went to test drive the 2009 Rav4 today and I decided to go for this vehicle, the 2009 RAV4 Base 4WD. Without discount this car cost $32,030 on the road. The salesperson said at most they can take $2,200 off the total.

I am going to put an offer in tomorrow. Anyone here owns this car or can anyone suggests an offer price? I do not wish to go back and forth, a reasonable offer price and make the deal. This is really my first time. Thanks in advance for your help.

[Matty]

the 2009 RAV4 Base 4WD. Without discount this car cost $32,030 on the road. The salesperson said at most they can take $2,200 off the total.

This is a Canadian Toyota Dealer?? They quoted you $29830 ON THE ROAD??! This price seems amazing, 'cuz I checked Toyota US's site, and the price on the road for zip 14201 would be US$23,765, which at 18% exch. is C$28042 out the door (no state sales tax for Cdns at NY dealers).

Then add G/PST and 6.1% duty and your price for the US RAV4 is C$33621 'in your driveway'.

That means that the Canadian RAV4 is about $3800 cheaper than the US one! Can anyone verify this? Forgive my overuse of punctuation, I'm just floored...

[PrimeBane]

Hope that the dealership will do mine too! Get a copy of the warranty work order for your records to make sure it doesn't come back to bite you in the way of charging you.

Turns out I misunderstood :o

It was something the dealership had to do on their end. Nothing was done to my Outlook

[MMMM]

Originally Posted by GreenLotus
the 2009 RAV4 Base 4WD. Without discount this car cost $32,030 on the road. The salesperson said at most they can take $2,200 off the total.

I show an average of $21000.00 (rough) all in to buy from the states. Add the riv fee/GST/ Duty (are these things made in Canada yet??)/exchange and I get 28663.00. (alberta numbers so no PST)

In alberta the all in price for a base model on the website is $29619.00. You should be able to get it for cheaper.

invoice + freight in the states is 20633.00.

[GreenLotus]

I show an average of $21000.00 (rough) all in to buy from the states. Add the riv fee/GST/ Duty (are these things made in Canada yet??)/exchange and I get 28663.00. (alberta numbers so no PST)

In alberta the all in price for a base model on the website is $29619.00. You should be able to get it for cheaper.

invoice + freight in the states is 20633.00.

Thank you for sharing the information. I am going to put in an offer on Boxing day. Hopefully, things go well.

[Disada]

Have you taken a look at a Subaru Forester? It might be worth looking into if you have not considered it yet.
www.subaru.ca

[a in yul]

Link to The Sacramento Bee Ad Toyota http://adserver1.harvestadsdepot.com/sacbee/roseville_toyota.htm

Thay Also Have 2009 Toyota Corolla Auto AC For $13,983 AR Model 1832
Thay Also Have 2009 Toyota Yaris 4 door #1442 5 at this price $13,488 AR
If You Dont Like Toyota please move on

EDIT: thx to FW

[cinqhoda]

Have you taken a look at a Subaru Forester? It might be worth looking into if you have not considered it yet.
www.subaru.ca

I also recommend looking at a Forester. The only thing that I don't like about it is the 4-speed automatic tranny.

Hey Subaru! 1996 called and it wants it's transmissions back!

[Monsieurmaggot]

I also recommend looking at a Forester. The only thing that I don't like about it is the 4-speed automatic tranny.

Hey Subaru! 1996 called and it wants it's transmissions back!

He He. That's a good one.

So speaking of pricing, the stone chips I suffered on my windshield last winter driving on the "why the hell do I pay taxes when the 401 is falling apart" now have gone the extra step.

A few days ago after the endless freeze/thaw cycle in Toronto, I was driving along the highway when I heard on the radio that the road up ahead was falling apart and ashphalt debris was flying everywhere. Unfortunately a truck in front of me launched a loonie sized piece of asphalt into my windshield. The damn thing finally gave up and cracked.

Since I drive a Subaru with a heated windshield, I decided to price around a replacement. The average cost for an original replacement in Toronto is about $1000. A third-party windshield costs about $600.

In the US I can get a factory windshield for $400US. and a third-party one for about $275US.

No one's making any money up here. Nope.

[tkl]

He He. That's a good one.

So speaking of pricing, the stone chips I suffered on my windshield last winter driving on the "why the hell do I pay taxes when the 401 is falling apart" now have gone the extra step.

A few days ago after the endless freeze/thaw cycle in Toronto, I was driving along the highway when I heard on the radio that the road up ahead was falling apart and ashphalt debris was flying everywhere. Unfortunately a truck in front of me launched a loonie sized piece of asphalt into my windshield. The damn thing finally gave up and cracked.

Since I drive a Subaru with a heated windshield, I decided to price around a replacement. The average cost for an original replacement in Toronto is about $1000. A third-party windshield costs about $600.

In the US I can get a factory windshield for $400US. and a third-party one for about $275US.

No one's making any money up here. Nope.

Why don't you claim it thorough the insurance company ? Similar thing happened to me and they fixed it without it counting as a claim.

[shopper-X]

Why don't you claim it thorough the insurance company ? Similar thing happened to me and they fixed it without it counting as a claim.

+1
My cousin did a claim with the Ministry of Transportation of Ontario and they paid for the windshield repairs.

I'll dig/seach my email when I get home and post it tonight.

[Monsieurmaggot]

My deductible is higher than the claim (depending on who I go with).

It's not worth the hassle if the pricing comes in the same.

I'm waiting to hear back from some local shops since they're all telling me that it's a special order from Carlex (the exclusive supplier of Subaru heated windshields). There are some third-party units around but the installers can't guarantee the heater will work or even if the connectors will match.

If I buy it from my local Subaru dealer, they call in the folks from Speedy or Apple to do the changeover.

[Monsieurmaggot]

+1
My cousin did a claim with the Ministry of Transportation of Ontario and they paid for the windshield repairs.

I'll dig/seach my email when I get home and post it tonight.

That would be fantastic if you can find the link I along with other Ontario RFDers would greatly appreciate it.

[roadtoy]

+1
My cousin did a claim with the Ministry of Transportation of Ontario and they paid for the windshield repairs.

I'll dig/seach my email when I get home and post it tonight.

+1 Let me know of the info.

I have a windshield that is 40 days new. It's all pitted and has one long crack already courtesy of the 401.

[shopper-X]

That would be fantastic if you can find the link I along with other Ontario RFDers would greatly appreciate it.

Okay, Gmail is blocked at work but not on my cell phone, I found the details:

Ontario Ministry of Transportation is responsible for the damage.
Start here:
http://www.mississauga.ca/portal/residents/fileaclaim;jsessionid=TV2SDVOEIIRJ1TRPH3XT44WOF25W 2PW0?paf_gear_id=3700008&itemId=80900085&action=faqAnswer


*Vehicle Damage - I have damaged my vehicle on one of the following highways:
HWY 403, HWY 401, HWY 410 or QEW or an on-ramp or off-ramp to one of these
highways. What should I do?*

*Answer* These highways are under the
jurisdiction of the Ontario Ministry of Transportation, not the City. Be
sure to see a licensed vehicle mechanic to determine the extent of damage.
Contact your automobile insurance company as you may have coverage for this
type of loss. Alternatively, submit your claim in writing to:

*Ontario Ministry of Transportation Management Board & Secretariat
Risk Management and Insurance Services
6 - 700 University Ave.
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Or telephone them at (416) 314-3440.*

[jac_3232]

Well, I took my Saturn in today for an oil change, etc and they told me they have to change out the cluster... thankfully it's not costing me a cent to have it done.

Talking to the lady in the service bay, some GM dealerships in Canada have taken heck from corporate about providing warranty service without the cluster being changed out.

So what is the deal with the cluster? Is it the responsibility of the owner to change it out or is this something GM should be doing for it's customers? If GM is charging, is this just another cash grab and deterrent to get Canadians to buy local much like what BMW is doing?

I've been taking my imported GMC truck to a local GMC dealer for warranty work for 12 months without any issues. This past summer I took it to the other GMC dealer in my area, only to be told I needed the cluster swapped out before they could do any work. My cluster was MPH only, and it would not switch to KPH. They wanted me to pay for the cluster and the labour. I told her where she could stick her cluster, and I went back to my normal dealer. He had no problem doing the work. I called up GM Canada to complain about that dealer, but they didn't care.

[random pattern]

I called up GM Canada to complain about that dealer, but they didn't care.

i guess GM is doing so well they can afford not to care about customer complaints. :rolleyes: (it's bad enough dealers tend to be over priced.)

[johnsa]

Well, folks..its time for me to import vehicle number 2 from the US. My 2006 Nissan Quest lease comes up Sept, but it is currently in the shop with only 36,000km needing complete brakes replacement and they can't figure out whats wrong with the ABS...no more Nissan vans for me. The lease rate is 0.9 and payment of 200+taxes should make it an easy walk away..

Despite the exchange rate, today I think this is still very worth while to do on many vehicles.

The vehicle I am looking at is the Subaru Tribeca. I love it and what a great replacement for a minivan!

I am not planning to buy new from the US...There are many 2008 Limiteds with 7 passenger and full jam, under 10k miles asking 23K..if I can pick one up for 21-22 k that's about 26-27k Cdn today, and no PDI/feight...

Pretty decent considering a new one up here is $45k and only 1k rebate right now.

2008 used in Canada are unheard of it seems with 7 passenger option(I have 3 kids)

Wish me luck!

If the price of oil continues to climb, perhaps the dollar will geta bit better, also..

I also like the Mazda CX9, but it would be subject to the duty and I think the Subaru is a better long term bet..


Any comments/suggestions??

[killbillvol1]

Well, folks..its time for me to import vehicle number 2 from the US. My 2006 Nissan Quest lease comes up Sept, but it is currently in the shop with only 36,000km needing complete brakes replacement and they can't figure out whats wrong with the ABS...no more Nissan vans for me. The lease rate is 0.9 and payment of 200+taxes should make it an easy walk away..

Despite the exchange rate, today I think this is still very worth while to do on many vehicles.

The vehicle I am looking at is the Subaru Tribeca. I love it and what a great replacement for a minivan!

I am not planning to buy new from the US...There are many 2008 Limiteds with 7 passenger and full jam, under 10k miles asking 23K..if I can pick one up for 21-22 k that's about 26-27k Cdn today, and no PDI/feight...

Pretty decent considering a new one up here is $45k and only 1k rebate right now.

2008 used in Canada are unheard of it seems with 7 passenger option(I have 3 kids)

Wish me luck!

If the price of oil continues to climb, perhaps the dollar will geta bit better, also..

I also like the Mazda CX9, but it would be subject to the duty and I think the Subaru is a better long term bet..


Any comments/suggestions??

John - I recently bought a 2005 Pathfinder and loving it with the third row and lots of room. One thing to bear in mind vehicles put into service 2007 and newer also are subject to a "green tax" $1k and up, subject to engine size (applies to SUVs and bigger).
I would recommend Ohio as a place to buy pre-owned as you can get a title in your name even if you're a non-resident.

The Honda Pilots are priced well as well but I'll never buy Honda or Acura again after their treatment of Canadians wanting to import.

[srinig2008]

I am planning to take 2008 Toyota Sienna LE from auto auction. In general how much it costs to take 10,000 miles van from auction, and then bring to Canada.

[jgmaull]

Well, folks..its time for me to import vehicle number 2 from the US. My 2006 Nissan Quest lease comes up Sept, but it is currently in the shop with only 36,000km needing complete brakes replacement and they can't figure out whats wrong with the ABS...no more Nissan vans for me. The lease rate is 0.9 and payment of 200+taxes should make it an easy walk away..

Despite the exchange rate, today I think this is still very worth while to do on many vehicles.

The vehicle I am looking at is the Subaru Tribeca. I love it and what a great replacement for a minivan!

I am not planning to buy new from the US...There are many 2008 Limiteds with 7 passenger and full jam, under 10k miles asking 23K..if I can pick one up for 21-22 k that's about 26-27k Cdn today, and no PDI/feight...

Pretty decent considering a new one up here is $45k and only 1k rebate right now.

2008 used in Canada are unheard of it seems with 7 passenger option(I have 3 kids)

Wish me luck!

If the price of oil continues to climb, perhaps the dollar will geta bit better, also..

I also like the Mazda CX9, but it would be subject to the duty and I think the Subaru is a better long term bet..


Any comments/suggestions??


Let me know if you see anything, was looking for about the same thing. Found a website that has pretty good deals, out of new york :

http://www.bkcars.com

(bill kolbs subaru) - anyone heard anything about this dealer?

anyone that finds a good deal on an 07-08 used tribeca, pm or post please, doesn't matter for me if it is 5 or 7 passenger

[Sergio]

John,

My choice was a MDX 2007 with NAv + Tech options, and the deal I found had 13,000 miles at 26,700USD. Back here in Canada for the same config they were asking 38,000CAD.

Depending on your kid age, the MDX was a perfect size for us. My kids are 5, 10, 12.

Good luck!
Sergio


Well, folks..its time for me to import vehicle number 2 from the US. My 2006 Nissan Quest lease comes up Sept, but it is currently in the shop with only 36,000km needing complete brakes replacement and they can't figure out whats wrong with the ABS...no more Nissan vans for me. The lease rate is 0.9 and payment of 200+taxes should make it an easy walk away..

Despite the exchange rate, today I think this is still very worth while to do on many vehicles.

The vehicle I am looking at is the Subaru Tribeca. I love it and what a great replacement for a minivan!

I am not planning to buy new from the US...There are many 2008 Limiteds with 7 passenger and full jam, under 10k miles asking 23K..if I can pick one up for 21-22 k that's about 26-27k Cdn today, and no PDI/feight...

Pretty decent considering a new one up here is $45k and only 1k rebate right now.

2008 used in Canada are unheard of it seems with 7 passenger option(I have 3 kids)

Wish me luck!

If the price of oil continues to climb, perhaps the dollar will geta bit better, also..

I also like the Mazda CX9, but it would be subject to the duty and I think the Subaru is a better long term bet..


Any comments/suggestions??

[dracore]

I am planning to take 2008 Toyota Sienna LE from auto auction. In general how much it costs to take 10,000 miles van from auction, and then bring to Canada.

Just curious, which auction is this? How much are auction prices generally compared to used car prices on dealer lots?

[johnsa]

John,

My choice was a MDX 2007 with NAv + Tech options, and the deal I found had 13,000 miles at 26,700USD. Back here in Canada for the same config they were asking 38,000CAD.

Depending on your kid age, the MDX was a perfect size for us. My kids are 5, 10, 12.

Good luck!
Sergio



I really like the MDX (and the Pilot) as my brother previously owned a Pilot...The problem is fuel comsumption,,they are terrible and I do not want to get something that is MORE thirsty than our Nissan Quest was.

[srinig2008]

what would be the cost if we buy a Toyota Sienna LE 2008 from US?

[Matty]

I am planning to take 2008 Toyota Sienna LE from auto auction. In general how much it costs to take 10,000 miles van from auction, and then bring to Canada.


Take the trip distance, divide by consumption, multiply by cost of fuel -- is that what you mean? I'm afraid your question is really unclear. Can you paraphrase?

[srinig2008]

It is Manheim auto auction.

[Monsieurmaggot]

So the dollar is now trading at a 1.31 exchange rate and the US auto imports come to a screeching halt.

I noticed the Canadian car prices are creeping up too. I'm guessing it's either the lack of real competition now. I'm sure the dealers will say it's due to the higher American dollar.

:(

[Draug]

So the dollar is now trading at a 1.31 exchange rate and the US auto imports come to a screeching halt.

I noticed the Canadian car prices are creeping up too. I'm guessing it's either the lack of real competition now. I'm sure the dealers will say it's due to the higher American dollar.

:(

Sounds about right ...

Fortunately, we all bought our cars already. Sadly, I bought the Legacy just before the dollar was at par (about.95) back in 2007, but it obviously was a huge win.

I'd like to buy an STi as well, from the US, but won't do it while the exchange rate is this low. I will wait and hope it changes in my favour over time.

One thing is certain. I am pretty sure that I will never ever buy a brand new car in Canada. Used, likely, but never new.

[Ferris Bueller]

Sounds about right ...

One thing is certain. I am pretty sure that I will never ever buy a brand new car in Canada. Used, likely, but never new.

Isn't there an even great difference in used prices than new cars? This may be increasingly true.

[KSYC]

If you're looking for a MDX, maybe you can consider a new one. I just purchased a 2009 MDX Base for 43K all in. It was just under 37K cdn before PDI/Freight and taxes.


John,

My choice was a MDX 2007 with NAv + Tech options, and the deal I found had 13,000 miles at 26,700USD. Back here in Canada for the same config they were asking 38,000CAD.

Depending on your kid age, the MDX was a perfect size for us. My kids are 5, 10, 12.

Good luck!
Sergio

[bny768]

That sounds like a reasonable deal, was it cash? I'd be interested if you have a dealer and salesperson name.

[johnsa]

So the dollar is now trading at a 1.31 exchange rate and the US auto imports come to a screeching halt.

I noticed the Canadian car prices are creeping up too. I'm guessing it's either the lack of real competition now. I'm sure the dealers will say it's due to the higher American dollar.

:(



I completely agree with you..prices are holding pretty steady in Canada..this is due mostly to the mfrs reducing production over the last few months..in the fall there were thousands of 2008s sitting in lots/ports and there are still some great deals on 2008s, although inventory is low for imports and higher for domestics.

2009 models are a different story...cut backs in production of 30% plus are reducing these inventories slowly, so the huge incentives may not be as availably on 2009s this year..we will see, but that is my prediction...:(

[4family]

Hi all....long time lurker on this site and appreciate this thread. I've imported both an older miata from Florida, and a used 05 subaru legacy gt wagon a couple of years ago. Here's my question that I've had difficulty finding an answer to:

I'd like to replace my legacy now with something else. I've not had much luck selling it locally. I have considered selling it back in the U.S., where the exchange rate now makes it little more attractive. Has anyone done this with a private buyer? I don't have a "title" to give a new buyer, just the proof of ownership on the back of the New Brunswick vehicle registration that can be signed over. Also, since the car has been stamped "exported" at the U.S. border, is there paperwork to do the "re-import". I tried to call border services and couldn't get a straight answer. The vehicle is completely stock and unmodified. As an alternative, has anyone traded in their U.S. imported vehicle back to a U.S. dealer? Thanks for your informed advice.......Mark

[michelb]

Hi all....long time lurker on this site and appreciate this thread. I've imported both an older miata from Florida, and a used 05 subaru legacy gt wagon a couple of years ago. Here's my question that I've had difficulty finding an answer to:

I'd like to replace my legacy now with something else. I've not had much luck selling it locally. I have considered selling it back in the U.S., where the exchange rate now makes it little more attractive. Has anyone done this with a private buyer? I don't have a "title" to give a new buyer, just the proof of ownership on the back of the New Brunswick vehicle registration that can be signed over. Also, since the car has been stamped "exported" at the U.S. border, is there paperwork to do the "re-import". I tried to call border services and couldn't get a straight answer. The vehicle is completely stock and unmodified. As an alternative, has anyone traded in their U.S. imported vehicle back to a U.S. dealer? Thanks for your informed advice.......Mark

I seem to recall reading somewhere that to import into the US, you must be a US resident so you probably would not be able to do it yourself and it would have to be done by the buyer. Given that extra hassle, I suspect it would be hard to get a decent price for your car in the US (don't forget that car sales are down something like 40% in the US so you'll probably have to really lower your price there).

[KSYC]

That sounds like a reasonable deal, was it cash? I'd be interested if you have a dealer and salesperson name.

Check the automotive forums and there is a long thread for the MDX. A few RFD members has also purchased the 09 MDX Base for 43K OTR.
You might want to check with the dealers but the cash incentive from Acura is only 8500 now compared to 10,000 back in December. I think the cash incentives will go back to 10K looking at the market these days.
I purchased from Acura Markham.

[Pavel]

[Um, like... is this a troll?]
If you looked at yourself in the mirror lately,then the answer would be yes.

[kplange]

Hi all....long time lurker on this site and appreciate this thread. I've imported both an older miata from Florida, and a used 05 subaru legacy gt wagon a couple of years ago. Here's my question that I've had difficulty finding an answer to:

I'd like to replace my legacy now with something else. I've not had much luck selling it locally. I have considered selling it back in the U.S., where the exchange rate now makes it little more attractive. Has anyone done this with a private buyer? I don't have a "title" to give a new buyer, just the proof of ownership on the back of the New Brunswick vehicle registration that can be signed over. Also, since the car has been stamped "exported" at the U.S. border, is there paperwork to do the "re-import". I tried to call border services and couldn't get a straight answer. The vehicle is completely stock and unmodified. As an alternative, has anyone traded in their U.S. imported vehicle back to a U.S. dealer? Thanks for your informed advice.......Mark

I resold a used vehicle in the U.S. last spring that I had bought in the U.S. three years earlier and imported to Canada. No problems at all. I had both the U.S. title and the MB registration. Both of these were given to the new owner so that he could use which ever one he needed. As it turned out, the AZ DMV didn't care one way or the other. My understanding has always been that as long as the car originated in the U.S., it can be returned there for sale at a later date.

[nornet]

I resold a used vehicle in the U.S. last spring that I had bought in the U.S. three years earlier and imported to Canada. No problems at all. I had both the U.S. title and the MB registration. Both of these were given to the new owner so that he could use which ever one he needed. As it turned out, the AZ DMV didn't care one way or the other. My understanding has always been that as long as the car originated in the U.S., it can be returned there for sale at a later date.

I believe this is correct. I bought a new 07 in the US and the salesman said he would take it back as a trade in.

[log607]

I am heading out east to pick up a vehicle from out of province. Anyways, I purchased a Temporary Insurance Card from SGI (Sask Govt Insurance) for the drive back.

I understand I also need to get an in-transit vehicle permit. Anyways, do I need to get a permit for every province and/or state I pass through? Or do I only need to get the permit in the jurisdiction where I buy the vehicle?

My route back home is Quebec, Ontario, Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, North Dakota and then finally Saskatchewan. I am hoping I don't need one for every state and/or province

Any help would be appreciated.

[jed]

All you should need is insurance from your provider and some sort of in-transit, or license plate.

If you have all the details, you can set all that up ahead of time. Its what I did in AB. Got my plate, registration (same here) and insurance.

[rbsx]

Hey there guys,

My girlfriend (who's American) wants to bring her car up from the States as she's moving here for good.

I've read that people moving up here are exempt from paying duties/taxes on gifts from parents on cars that are used. (The title is currently in her parents name).

Does anyone have any experience with this?

[johnsa]

I am planning to get a Subaru Tribeca from the US used this spring to replace our Nissan Quest van.

We require the 7 seater (3 kids), which is a list staring at 44,995 in Canada as you have to buy the Ltd.. Ouch!!

Ottos Subaru had 2 used 2009 in the AutoTrader this week with no price...both Ltds. with 12k..I presume short term rentals..no prob..they are Subarus.

I call and email them inquiring as to price and if either was 7 passenger..

Yes..one is the 7 passenger Ltd( no DVD,no Nav), (which I already Know lists for 45k less a dinky rebate of about 1,000 right now)


I ask the price ..the guy puts me on hold and comes back with......$44,000,BUT I do not have to pay any freight or PDI!!!! What an amazing deal...(Remember, this is used with12,000km!) I politely thank him for his time and hang up...today the Sales Manager e-mails me and tells me more about the vehicle and tells me how I can save almost $4,000 off the price of a brand new one!!

In the meantime, I have located 2 Subaru dealers in NY and Ct with the IDENTICAL vehicle...2009 Ltd, 7 passenger ,5-6 k miles, Subaru certified, asking $23,900= 28k+/- with exchange at 1.23 (my staff rate at my Bank)

Here is my response to OTTO Subaru:

"Hello!

What IDIOT on this planet would be stupid enough to pay 44K for a used Tribeca Ltd with 12,000km when the new list is .....ahhhh, hold on....44k!!Gee I get to save the PDI and freight ....whoopeee!! Gee..are we in a severe recession, the worst we have seen in 70 yrs? you betcha!

New car dealers in Canada wonder why people are shopping in the states...I can purchase the IDENTICAL vehicle at a Subaru dealer in NY state...2009 7 passenger Limited, 5-6 miles, full factory warranty, 2 in stock....certified used, blah blah,blah..for 23k USD= 28.5Cdn today plus PST/GST, $200 RIV fee...and thats at an exchange rate of 23%..

Guess I'll be importing one and saving a total of 18k with the tax difference , just like I did my 2007 Nissan Maxima last yr.


Thanks for you time..yeah right!

Sincerely,

Andy Johnston, disgusted, imformed, Scottish Banker from Lindsay Ontario with 18k more in my pocket Thanks to Otto Subaru!"

[sexyblackbmw]

I am planning to get a Subaru Tribeca from the US used this spring to replace our Nissan Quest van.

We require the 7 seater (3 kids), which is a list staring at 44,995 in Canada as you have to buy the Ltd.. Ouch!!

Ottos Subaru had 2 used 2009 in the AutoTrader this week with no price...both Ltds. with 12k..I presume short term rentals..no prob..they are Subarus.

I call and email them inquiring as to price and if either was 7 passenger..

Yes..one is the 7 passenger Ltd( no DVD,no Nav), (which I already Know lists for 45k less a dinky rebate of about 1,000 right now)


I ask the price ..the guy puts me on hold and comes back with......$44,000,BUT I do not have to pay any freight or PDI!!!! What an amazing deal...(Remember, this is used with12,000km!) I politely thank him for his time and hang up...today the Sales Manager e-mails me and tells me more about the vehicle and tells me how I can save almost $4,000 off the price of a brand new one!!

In the meantime, I have located 2 Subaru dealers in NY and Ct with the IDENTICAL vehicle...2009 Ltd, 7 passenger ,5-6 k miles, Subaru certified, asking $23,900= 28k+/- with exchange at 1.23 (my staff rate at my Bank)

Here is my response to OTTO Subaru:

"Hello!

What IDIOT on this planet would be stupid enough to pay 44K for a used Tribeca Ltd with 12,000km when the new list is .....ahhhh, hold on....44k!!Gee I get to save the PDI and freight ....whoopeee!! Gee..are we in a severe recession, the worst we have seen in 70 yrs? you betcha!

New car dealers in Canada wonder why people are shopping in the states...I can purchase the IDENTICAL vehicle at a Subaru dealer in NY state...2009 7 passenger Limited, 5-6 miles, full factory warranty, 2 in stock....certified used, blah blah,blah..for 23k USD= 28.5Cdn today plus PST/GST, $200 RIV fee...and thats at an exchange rate of 23%..

Guess I'll be importing one and saving a total of 18k with the tax difference , just like I did my 2007 Nissan Maxima last yr.


Thanks for you time..yeah right!

Sincerely,

Andy Johnston, disgusted, imformed, Scottish Banker from Lindsay Ontario with 18k more in my pocket Thanks to Otto Subaru!"

The same idiot that would buy this UGLY poor excuse for an SUV/Crossover vehicle/Shitbox (whatever you want to call it) in the first place. :razz:

You're blaming this dealership because of your POOR negoitiation skills? How is it their fault you can't negoitiate a price of well under $40K???!!!

My god, do you think they care that they lost you as a customer? Hell NO. If you actually had the ignorance/balls to send that reply to them, I'll tell you they probably had a good laugh at you and your emails.

I call your entire Post complete BS. I just did a quick search through my Manheim dealer account ( I buy and sell exotic/luxury cars in my free time for a hobby) and in the U.S, Dealers are buying that 2009 Tribeca Limited 7 pass with 4000-8000 miles from $24,000-27,500, dealer cost! Why would they waste their time selling it to some Canadian for ABSOLUTELY NO Profit?

A quick search on Autotrader.com will reveal you're full of BS when you see 2009 Tribeca Limited with 5000-11000 miles selling for lowest prices of $26,000-28,000. Factor in exchange rate, Duty, RIV, travel charges (to get to the car to drive it over). If you get a lower mileage vehicle, for say $27,000 US converted to CAD $33,579 + 6.1% duty + 200 RIV = $35827 roughly without the other fees (such as actually bringing the car from the US State to Your Home in Canada) Before you know it, you'll be close to $38K or $40K all said and done in your driveway! If you don't believe it, trust me, I've imported hundreds of cars lately with our poor exchange rates for, customers, family and friends. Everything adds up, and it will be more than you think.

Not to mention, for warranty work, with a US Scubaru, you'll be paying the repair bills upfront from your own pocket at a Canadian dealership, and hoping the US dealer you bought it from will actually re-inburse you in the end. Highly unlikely they are just going to hand you out the cash (better get it in the contract), they will most likely tell you to come back to their location and service your vehicle there. - I could be wrong as I've never brought a US Scubaru over to Canada for anyone.

Its so simple to see the savings are not what you calculated even a simple Banker should be able to figure this out. :razz:

BTW, I'm able to buy your Truck locally at Adesa Brampton or Manheim Toronto for $29,000-$31000 CAD. Do you really think a dealership like Otto's wouldn't have a higher profit margain?! LOL come on. Ofcourse they want to make $10,000-$15,000 profit off you and any other sucker who walks in for that same SUV. High overhead costs, etc. Even an average *cough* sucker, err i mean consumer should realize this before they waste their time with a local larger local dealer. Otto's is a business like any other business, they're in it for higher profit margains. And people will pay.

I laugh at all the suckers who think they are getting an incredible deal with buying a Car in the U.S. Clearly you're all misinformed by the Propaganda BS this MonseuirMaggot is posting.

I hope you read my original post MonseuirMAGGOT from another thread:

BTW, why are you posting that propaganda BS in your Signature about Canadian Auto dealers ripping canadians off? Get your head out of your Arse. Thats a load of crap. SUPPORT OUR LOCAL ECONOMY. No one is forced to buy a car from any dealer if they aren't happy with the price; They can buy private locally or whatever else they choose. If you can't afford a NEW car here in Canada, buy USED. (a year old, or four, now you can afford the car of your dreams.)

To purchase U.S vehicles now and import them into Canada is complete and utter nonsense. Right away, you're paying a 6.1% duty (non North american cars), RIV fees, transport fees to get the car from a US State to a Canadian province (if you don't drive it yourself) and not to mention the 25%+ more for any vehichle you have to purchase with converted Canadian currency to US dollars. Before you know it, you're paying at least $5000+ for an average car you can buy locally from most smaller dealers, or private, a lot easier, and saving all those extra costs that will always add up to more than the savings you'll get from buying a U.S car, with our current exchange rates.

You're all buying cars under $50K NEW. You're really not going to save a whole lot in the end (might even end up paying more) after all the effort in the coming months with our economy, and currency rates. Buy local, be smart, negoitiate a better deal that you're happy with, and Support our Local Canadian Businesses and Economy! The U.S don't need our money more than we need it spent in Canada!

[shaolinmonk]

bought an outback from the US last year.. saved about 13K CAD... also had some warranty work done in canada... and was reimbursed with no issues...

deals aren't as good with the exchange rate right now.. but importing isn't as hard as it sounds and as long as you do your math and it checks it.. it's worth it...

[starR]

If you claim to import vehicles into Canada, your vast knowledge should let you know that the Subaru Tribeca is manufactured in the US and is thus EXEMPT from the 6.1% duty.

Please save your SPAM and take it elsewhere. It is common fact that vehicles are CHEAPER in the US. I'll start supporting the local economy when the local economy start to fairly price vehicles.

The whole point of 'johnsa' post was the fact that Canadian dealers lead you to believe they fairly price their vehicles when in fact that they don't. Taking negotiations out of the question - when a dealer advertises a used vehice at $1000 off the new vehicle price, there is something wrong with the big picture. I've been to many stealerships here and gotten similar stories. We can get you this used/demo blah blah and save you $2000 from new. Wow, where do i sign??!! I had a GM dealer try and sell me a used vehicle claiming i'm saving $10,000 from new. Guess where the vehicle was from - the USA!!

oh, and on a final point - hardly any of the recent BMW Bangle design blunders can be called 'sexy'.

-Cheers!

The same idiot that would buy this UGLY poor excuse for an SUV/Crossover vehicle/Shitbox (whatever you want to call it) in the first place. :razz:

You're blaming this dealership because of your POOR negoitiation skills? How is it their fault you can't negoitiate a price of well under $40K???!!!

My god, do you think they care that they lost you as a customer? Hell NO. If you actually had the ignorance/balls to send that reply to them, I'll tell you they probably had a good laugh at you and your emails.

I call your entire Post complete BS. I just did a quick search through my Manheim dealer account ( I buy and sell exotic/luxury cars in my free time for a hobby) and in the U.S, Dealers are buying that 2009 Tribeca Limited 7 pass with 4000-8000 miles from $24,000-27,500, dealer cost! Why would they waste their time selling it to some Canadian for ABSOLUTELY NO Profit?

A quick search on Autotrader.com will reveal you're full of BS when you see 2009 Tribeca Limited with 5000-11000 miles selling for lowest prices of $26,000-28,000. Factor in exchange rate, Duty, RIV, travel charges (to get to the car to drive it over). If you get a lower mileage vehicle, for say $27,000 US converted to CAD $33,579 + 6.1% duty + 200 RIV = $35827 roughly without the other fees (such as actually bringing the car from the US State to Your Home in Canada) Before you know it, you'll be close to $38K or $40K all said and done in your driveway! If you don't believe it, trust me, I've imported hundreds of cars lately with our poor exchange rates for, customers, family and friends. Everything adds up, and it will be more than you think.

Not to mention, for warranty work, with a US Scubaru, you'll be paying the repair bills upfront from your own pocket at a Canadian dealership, and hoping the US dealer you bought it from will actually re-inburse you in the end. Highly unlikely they are just going to hand you out the cash (better get it in the contract), they will most likely tell you to come back to their location and service your vehicle there. - I could be wrong as I've never brought a US Scubaru over to Canada for anyone.

Its so simple to see the savings are not what you calculated even a simple Banker should be able to figure this out. :razz:

BTW, I'm able to buy your Truck locally at Adesa Brampton or Manheim Toronto for $29,000-$31000 CAD. Do you really think a dealership like Otto's wouldn't have a higher profit margain?! LOL come on. Ofcourse they want to make $10,000-$15,000 profit off you and any other sucker who walks in for that same SUV. High overhead costs, etc. Even an average *cough* sucker, err i mean consumer should realize this before they waste their time with a local larger local dealer. Otto's is a business like any other business, they're in it for higher profit margains. And people will pay.

I laugh at all the suckers who think they are getting an incredible deal with buying a Car in the U.S. Clearly you're all misinformed by the Propaganda BS this MonseuirMaggot is posting.

I hope you read my original post MonseuirMAGGOT from another thread:

BTW, why are you posting that propaganda BS in your Signature about Canadian Auto dealers ripping canadians off? Get your head out of your Arse. Thats a load of crap. SUPPORT OUR LOCAL ECONOMY. No one is forced to buy a car from any dealer if they aren't happy with the price; They can buy private locally or whatever else they choose. If you can't afford a NEW car here in Canada, buy USED. (a year old, or four, now you can afford the car of your dreams.)

To purchase U.S vehicles now and import them into Canada is complete and utter nonsense. Right away, you're paying a 6.1% duty (non North american cars), RIV fees, transport fees to get the car from a US State to a Canadian province (if you don't drive it yourself) and not to mention the 25%+ more for any vehichle you have to purchase with converted Canadian currency to US dollars. Before you know it, you're paying at least $5000+ for an average car you can buy locally from most smaller dealers, or private, a lot easier, and saving all those extra costs that will always add up to more than the savings you'll get from buying a U.S car, with our current exchange rates.

You're all buying cars under $50K NEW. You're really not going to save a whole lot in the end (might even end up paying more) after all the effort in the coming months with our economy, and currency rates. Buy local, be smart, negoitiate a better deal that you're happy with, and Support our Local Canadian Businesses and Economy! The U.S don't need our money more than we need it spent in Canada!

[bguy7890]

( I buy and sell exotic/luxury cars in my free time for a hobby)




I hope you only buy and sell exotic/luxury cars made in Canada. C'mon, support your local economy!



Before you know it, you'll be close to $38K or $40K all said and done in your driveway! If you don't believe it, trust me, I've imported hundreds of cars lately with our poor exchange rates for, customers, family and friends. Everything adds up, and it will be more than you think.



Why would you import cars for customers, family and friends (if they're real friends) if you can get them the same cars cheaper locally?

[jgmaull]

The same idiot that would buy this UGLY poor excuse for an SUV/Crossover vehicle/Shitbox (whatever you want to call it) in the first place. :razz:


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A quick search on Autotrader.com will reveal you're full of BS when you see 2009 Tribeca Limited with 5000-11000 miles selling for lowest prices of $26,000-28,000. Factor in exchange rate, Duty, RIV, travel charges (to get to the car to drive it over). If you get a lower mileage vehicle, for say $27,000 US converted to CAD $33,579 + 6.1% duty + 200 RIV = $35827 roughly without the other fees (such as actually bringing the car from the US State to Your Home in Canada) Before you know it, you'll be close to $38K or $40K all said and done in your driveway! If you don't believe it, trust me, I've imported hundreds of cars lately with our poor exchange rates for, customers, family and friends. Everything adds up, and it will be more than you think.

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go to http://www.bkcars.com

[vipt2000]

If you don't believe it, trust me, I've imported hundreds of cars lately with our poor exchange rates for, customers, family and friends. Everything adds up, and it will be more than you think.[/B]

This guy makes me laugh... He imported hundreds of cars for fun..even with high exchange rate :-) Please no bs

Most people would agree that right now is not a good time to import cars due to poor exchange rate

I laugh at all the suckers who think they are getting an incredible deal with buying a Car in the U.S. Clearly you're all misinformed by the Propaganda BS this MonseuirMaggot is posting.
[/B]

I guess you haven't read this thread when the exchange rate was favorable. Many people saved a sh*t load of $$$

In my case, I have missed the boat. I should have bought a car in the U.S. last summer :cry:

[johnsa]

The same idiot that would buy this UGLY poor excuse for an SUV/Crossover vehicle/Shitbox (whatever you want to call it) in the first place. :razz:

You're blaming this dealership because of your POOR negoitiation skills? How is it their fault you can't negoitiate a price of well under $40K???!!!

My god, do you think they care that they lost you as a customer? Hell NO. If you actually had the ignorance/balls to send that reply to them, I'll tell you they probably had a good laugh at you and your emails.

I call your entire Post complete BS. I just did a quick search through my Manheim dealer account ( I buy and sell exotic/luxury cars in my free time for a hobby) and in the U.S, Dealers are buying that 2009 Tribeca Limited 7 pass with 4000-8000 miles from $24,000-27,500, dealer cost! Why would they waste their time selling it to some Canadian for ABSOLUTELY NO Profit?

A quick search on Autotrader.com will reveal you're full of BS when you see 2009 Tribeca Limited with 5000-11000 miles selling for lowest prices of $26,000-28,000. Factor in exchange rate, Duty, RIV, travel charges (to get to the car to drive it over). If you get a lower mileage vehicle, for say $27,000 US converted to CAD $33,579 + 6.1% duty + 200 RIV = $35827 roughly without the other fees (such as actually bringing the car from the US State to Your Home in Canada) Before you know it, you'll be close to $38K or $40K all said and done in your driveway! If you don't believe it, trust me, I've imported hundreds of cars lately with our poor exchange rates for, customers, family and friends. Everything adds up, and it will be more than you think.

Not to mention, for warranty work, with a US Scubaru, you'll be paying the repair bills upfront from your own pocket at a Canadian dealership, and hoping the US dealer you bought it from will actually re-inburse you in the end. Highly unlikely they are just going to hand you out the cash (better get it in the contract), they will most likely tell you to come back to their location and service your vehicle there. - I could be wrong as I've never brought a US Scubaru over to Canada for anyone.

Its so simple to see the savings are not what you calculated even a simple Banker should be able to figure this out. :razz:

BTW, I'm able to buy your Truck locally at Adesa Brampton or Manheim Toronto for $29,000-$31000 CAD. Do you really think a dealership like Otto's wouldn't have a higher profit margain?! LOL come on. Ofcourse they want to make $10,000-$15,000 profit off you and any other sucker who walks in for that same SUV. High overhead costs, etc. Even an average *cough* sucker, err i mean consumer should realize this before they waste their time with a local larger local dealer. Otto's is a business like any other business, they're in it for higher profit margains. And people will pay.

I laugh at all the suckers who think they are getting an incredible deal with buying a Car in the U.S. Clearly you're all misinformed by the Propaganda BS this MonseuirMaggot is posting.

I hope you read my original post MonseuirMAGGOT from another thread:

BTW, why are you posting that propaganda BS in your Signature about Canadian Auto dealers ripping canadians off? Get your head out of your Arse. Thats a load of crap. SUPPORT OUR LOCAL ECONOMY. No one is forced to buy a car from any dealer if they aren't happy with the price; They can buy private locally or whatever else they choose. If you can't afford a NEW car here in Canada, buy USED. (a year old, or four, now you can afford the car of your dreams.)

To purchase U.S vehicles now and import them into Canada is complete and utter nonsense. Right away, you're paying a 6.1% duty (non North american cars), RIV fees, transport fees to get the car from a US State to a Canadian province (if you don't drive it yourself) and not to mention the 25%+ more for any vehichle you have to purchase with converted Canadian currency to US dollars. Before you know it, you're paying at least $5000+ for an average car you can buy locally from most smaller dealers, or private, a lot easier, and saving all those extra costs that will always add up to more than the savings you'll get from buying a U.S car, with our current exchange rates.

You're all buying cars under $50K NEW. You're really not going to save a whole lot in the end (might even end up paying more) after all the effort in the coming months with our economy, and currency rates. Buy local, be smart, negoitiate a better deal that you're happy with, and Support our Local Canadian Businesses and Economy! The U.S don't need our money more than we need it spent in Canada!


Dude, you are so INFORMED! All of your facts are 100% accurate!;) UR too Amusing..

[762mm]

The same idiot that would buy this UGLY poor excuse for an SUV/Crossover vehicle/Shitbox (whatever you want to call it) in the first place. :razz:
[/B]

Lol! I agree with that remark, but only that.

As far as the prices go, the US has it cheaper on pretty much EVERYTHING, not only cars. Why would we have it cheaper anyway? Let's all be good little canadians like we usually are, bend over nice and slow and take it up the ass.

Besides, sheep don't deserve better than that. When most of our population grows some balls, then things will change. But don't hold your breath for that... :D

[sexyblackbmw]

If you claim to import vehicles into Canada, your vast knowledge should let you know that the Subaru Tribeca is manufactured in the US and is thus EXEMPT from the 6.1% duty.

Please save your SPAM and take it elsewhere. It is common fact that vehicles are CHEAPER in the US. I'll start supporting the local economy when the local economy start to fairly price vehicles.

The whole point of 'johnsa' post was the fact that Canadian dealers lead you to believe they fairly price their vehicles when in fact that they don't. Taking negotiations out of the question - when a dealer advertises a used vehice at $1000 off the new vehicle price, there is something wrong with the big picture. I've been to many stealerships here and gotten similar stories. We can get you this used/demo blah blah and save you $2000 from new. Wow, where do i sign??!! I had a GM dealer try and sell me a used vehicle claiming i'm saving $10,000 from new. Guess where the vehicle was from - the USA!!

oh, and on a final point - hardly any of the recent BMW Bangle design blunders can be called 'sexy'.

-Cheers!

Sorry I don't buy myself subaru's and I have no interest for these econo boxes. :razz: Not my cup of tea, nor people i know. Interesting fact B9 Tribeca is made in the U.S. Makes it even worse now in my eyes! Sure, BKcars is buying poor quality Tribeca's, 16,000 miles is unacceptable for a 2009 if you ask me! Company demo's that were beaten, and a lot of them are rated 1 or 2 out of 5 on the Auction rating system. Painted panels from minor accidents, many dents, overall rough condition, they'll sell for $21-22K at the auctions, ofcourse. Dealer buys them, does a lot to bring them up to good condition. Some of them are horrible colours no one will ever consider, so they have to sell at $1000 above cost just to clear them out of their inventory. You aren't looking at the right vehicles if the lowest price is all you're looking for. Ever heard the saying, "priced too low to be true!". Well thats because somethings wrong with it.


And I won't disagree with you guys on certain points. I do save a lot of money buying from the US ( mostly exotic and luxury cars over 100K, especially after when I'm purchasing 2004 Lamborghini Gallardo's for $88,000. I've purchased a couple already for customers, and will be purchasing one for myself in March or April as soon as I find an Orange or White Gallardo Spyder. They still sell here for $160,000 - $200,000+. And I agree, Bangle sucks. Now that he's retired from BMW, someone even worse has taken his place! Thats why I sold my 650i cabriolet, and M6 coupe after realizing I enjoyed my E46 M3's much more! Styling and driveability, they are much more enjoyable!

Exchange rate means nothing when you have well over $200K in US funds in a US account, exchanged from when our Dollar was worth more ;)

But for the lower end spectrum, and average cars/SUV's right now, the best place to buy is here in Canada. There will be the odd larger stealership where they are use to large profit margains and will never keep up with the times, and lower their prices, but thats fine. Take your business elsewhere if you don't like the way they work you! You have the right to. There are other Canadian dealers who are just as competitive with US pricing and save you the hassles instead of importing yourself from the US. Lets face it, most people these days don't have $20,000 or even $30,000 cash to go and buy a car outright. They rely on leasing and financing, so they're limited to purchasing local.

List any car, and I'll give you an accurate up to the day price on what they're selling for at U.S and Canada Dealer auctions. Something non of you have access to, so believe me or not, I don't care, in the end, you're all the ones that dealers are still making profit from :P

As well, For certain cars, I can buy them for less locally from wholesaler friends.

And why wouldn't I get a dealers license, and start a small business buying and selling nice cars. I enjoy fine automobiles just as much as the next guy, and its a great way to make a lot of money on the side apart from my day job ;) And I drive any car I want, any day of the week, and switch it up every month. Something 99% of people on here will never get to do either. So why wouldn't I consider myself informed on this topic?!

[sexyblackbmw]

Lol! I agree with that remark, but only that.

As far as the prices go, the US has it cheaper on pretty much EVERYTHING, not only cars. Why would we have it cheaper anyway? Let's all be good little canadians like we usually are, bend over nice and slow and take it up the ass.

Besides, sheep don't deserve better than that. When most of our population grows some balls, then things will change. But don't hold your breath for that... :D


Yeap, sounds like the typical sheep. Canadian Sheep :razz:

[sexyblackbmw]

This guy makes me laugh... He imported hundreds of cars for fun..even with high exchange rate :-) Please no bs

Most people would agree that right now is not a good time to import cars due to poor exchange rate



I guess you haven't read this thread when the exchange rate was favorable. Many people saved a sh*t load of $$$

In my case, I have missed the boat. I should have bought a car in the U.S. last summer :cry:


Yeah ofcourse, when people have the cash to spend, and they want something rare I can't buy local, then I'll buy from the States. And even with the horrible exchange rate, its 100% worth buying exotic and luxury cars in the U.S. when a dealer is able to buy Lamborgini Gallardo's for $88k, 1999 Ferrari 355 spyders for $45K, Lotus Exige's for $35K, Ferrari F430's for $180,000, the list is huge, and goes on and on. And I can post up the Auction transaction charts to prove the non believers.

But what most of you guys seem to fail and comprehending is that these prices you see at Canadian dealerships is a bad gauge of comparison to the states. Canadian dealers just prefer higher profit margains. Its always been this way, and some are still having a hard time adapting to the new pricing.

Doesn't mean we're buying them for higher here. Like I said, I'm able to buy a 2009 Tribeca limited locally for $29-31K CAD, and a 2009 Legacy for $15K CAD locally. Canadian dealers are just going with a long time trend and increasing their profit in the end.

So what kind of car did you miss out on? Maybe I can help?

[762mm]

Yeap, sounds like the typical sheep. Canadian Sheep :razz:

Personally, I always buy things at the best prices I can get. Usually, those prices are located in the States and not up here in socialist Kanukistan, so all it leaves to do is to figure out a way to beat the Kanukistani customs fees. No problem there if you have half a brain... :|

The way I see it is that I'll start taking care of Canadian economy when (and only when) the Canadian economy starts taking care of me. It's not complicated.

I am reminded of that every time I go fill up my truck and then compare the price I've just paid to what our dear neighbors down south are paying that same day for the same gas. It's nice to see that global businesses are taking our Nation seriously. But can you blame them? As long as we take it, they have no interest in changing! :mad:

As far as cars are concerned, things are no different (I've been in the marked for used Ford trucks a couple years back and saw the price difference quite well). Canadians are getting raped and seem to like it. Enough said.

[sexyblackbmw]

Dude, you are so INFORMED! All of your facts are 100% accurate!;) UR too Amusing..

Sorry I didn't mean to rip you up like that. But don't call me "dude".

Here you go, Transaction history for Manheim U.S auctions for the SUV you're looking for. Maybe it will help you.

Why not consider a 2007 Lexus RX350, for $18,000- $20,000 U.S? If you like this sort of vehicle?

The highlight green transactions are Cars in better than average condition meaning, no cuts, scrapes, dents, or blemishes. The cars highlighted white are average condition or less meaning all of the above. Expect a noticeable amount of blemishes.

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[Matty]

SUPPORT OUR LOCAL ECONOMY[/B]

No, not if it costs that much more. It's all math. How can that be hard to understand?

[sexyblackbmw]

No, not if it costs that much more. It's all math. How can that be hard to understand?

It doesn't cost more to buy locally if you know how to look for a deal!

Then it comes down to being able to negoitiate to get an even lower price!

Dealers in Canada want to sell to Canadians, and they know everyone is aware of the market trends in the US and Canada, and how they differ, you just have to learn how to speak to dealers, and negoitiate them to a fair market value of what the car SHOULD be selling for here.

Don't expect to get any discounts calling people over the phone asking for $5000 discounts, or showing up to a dealer with your baseball cap sideways, and jeans hanging low, or coming into a dealership with a negative attitude already towards their price, and shooting your guns off at them every chance you get. You're not going to get anywhere like that.


How is that hard to understand?

[noodles]

Exchange rate means nothing when you have well over $200K in US funds in a US account, exchanged from when our Dollar was worth more ;)


It should since that can be changed back to ~$250K Canadian...

[sexyblackbmw]

It should since that can be changed back to ~$250K Canadian...

Our Canadian dollar isn't getting better (or even) anytime soon. And don't worry about me, I made enough already. ;)

Besides, This is the Boat/car/and big boy Toy fund now. I need to buy a new boat this summer for my home in Florida, and I'm looking for an Ariel Atom as well. If you don't know what that is, Google it, by far the best/coolest car to own these days IMO.

[lake600]

Doesn't mean we're buying them for higher here. Like I said, I'm able to buy a 2009 Tribeca limited locally for $29-31K CAD, and a 2009 Legacy for $15K CAD locally. Canadian dealers are just going with a long time trend and increasing their profit in the end.

So what kind of car did you miss out on? Maybe I can help?


Is it brand new Legacy for 15k CAD?
This sound too good to be true!:confused:

[sexyblackbmw]

Is it brand new Legacy for 15k CAD?
This sound too good to be true!:confused:

No, some have some mileage, between 500-4000 KM, but yes, $15,000 CAD, all day long. Thats dealers cost (what I'm able to buy them for), obviously they are going to sell it for more to the average consumer.

They are selling for the same in the US auctions as well, except canadians pay a pretty price to "import" them over here. Then they think they are getting an amazing deal with a US car that has anywhere from 500- 50000+Miles when they compare it to a BRAND new vehicle you can buy off the showroom floor with no mileage here in Canada.

Makes me laugh when I see this BS propaganda OP is spewing because in reality whichever country you're buying from dealerships are still making good money off the everyday suckers you see ranting and raving they saved anywhere from 10-18K on their New/used car! :lol:

[chinoxl]

Hey guys, really great information out there. Appreciate it alot!
I just have some questions, I hope somebody can help.

I'm thinking of purchasing a 2009 nissan 370z and I want to import it from the US.
Now, the car is admissable according to the RIV list, but does anybody know if they are manufactured in North America?
Second, how much under the MSRP would a dealer be willing to go? Approximately..
Third, I was reading in one of the previous posts that New York dealers will not charge you the sales tax if you're bringing it back to Canada. Is this confirmed? And would the DMV give you a temporary plate for you to drive it to the border?

Thanks a lot guys, any response is greatly appreciated in advance!

[sexyblackbmw]

Hey guys, really great information out there. Appreciate it alot!
I just have some questions, I hope somebody can help.

I'm thinking of purchasing a 2009 nissan 370z and I want to import it from the US.
Now, the car is admissable according to the RIV list, but does anybody know if they are manufactured in North America?
Second, how much under the MSRP would a dealer be willing to go? Approximately..
Third, I was reading in one of the previous posts that New York dealers will not charge you the sales tax if you're bringing it back to Canada. Is this confirmed? And would the DMV give you a temporary plate for you to drive it to the border?

Thanks a lot guys, any response is greatly appreciated in advance!

Just for consideration,

2008 NISSAN 350Z NISMO 6Spd, with 3000 Miles are selling for $22,000 at the auction. I found a few.

All Z's are manufactered in Japan. You can tell by the VIN number starting with 'J'. So you have to pay 6.1% duty.

Nissan has started production of the 370Z January 2009. They should be at dealerships soon enough, if not already in the U.S. Don't expect any deals. They are not going to go under MSRP for a while in my professional oppinion. There's a demand for these, and people will pay full pop! Wait a year, and you'll see some deals!

Is paying the significant depreciation for the 2009 370Z (332BHP/270 lb�ft) worth it to you for only an extra 26 BHP and 2 ft�lbf over the 2008 350Z (306HP/268ft�lbf )or the Nismo 313 BHP and only 1500 unit were produced in 2007/2008? I would take the rare car IMO.

But if your heart is set on a 2009 370Z, C'est la vie! :razz:

I have two GT-R's in stock starting at $80,000 CAD... Interested? j/k :razz:

[Tuppin]

I have to defend the Tribeca here. Remember, people have their own tastes. In my case, we need a good winter vehicle here in PEI since we do a lot of winter driving...esp my wife. So we had a Forester for 8 years...worked great but was kinda small for us. When the time came to replace it 2 1/2 years ago, I looked to the US and we got a great deal on a dealer driven Tribeca. Leather, Nav, 7 pass etc for $25,600 US. At the time I paid around 10% for exchange....so still a great deal considering the same car in Canada went for 50K.

For that same money in Canada we could have maybe gotten a base CRV or Rav...probably would have had to pay more.....no leather, no 7 pass, no Nav no 6 cylinder etc etc.

The Tribeca has a great AWD system, great safety rating (Insurance Institute top pick since released) and has had great reliability. Since getting it we have put over 45,000KM on it even drove it to Florida. The only thing done to it was replacing the front wheel bushings. It has been a workhorse. I got a winter tire/wheel combo from Tirerack sent to the dealer when we purchased (also at great savings).

As for looks...sure it is unique....most people compliment it. Personally, I like having a unique/uncommon vehicle.

Last July, I went to the US again to get a fun summer vehicle....VW Eos. Saved around 8K and it has been a great vehicle as well.

So lets refrain from calling it a **** box. Given how well ours has worked out for us.... It's safe, reliable, comfortable.... Sure some people don't like the front grill....but lets face it....there's only so much you can do with SUV styling....besides, I'd rather have reliability and safety than an unreliable/less safe vehicle with better styling.

[MaDgamEr]

When the exchange rate was favorable, you couldn't beat importing from the US. Period. Now, YMMV, but generally still much better than buyin here in Canada.

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[Monsieurmaggot]

So it seems a new poster has a problem with my signature. I'm sorry you feel that way Mr. DesRosiers.

I didn't win the recent "most helpful thread" thread for my inaccuracies. There must have been some merit as I was interviewed by radio, tv and the press.

I don't care what ANYONE says, I will NEVER consider buying a car in Canada without first checking out the prices in the US. True, when I bought my car about two years ago (wow time flies) there weren't nearly as many roadblocks in the way. True, with the current exchange rate less cars are available, but there are still LOTS of deals to be had down south. Remember I bought my car when the exchange rate was in the .85 - .90 range. I stockpiled cash whenever the exchange rate was favourable. I know many people who are still enjoying considerable savings since the market collapse. Every one of them had already transferred their funds over so the exchange rate now is inconsequential. I understand that at the Lewiston crossing near Niagara Falls, ON, cars continue to come over albeit at a slower pace than months ago.

Personally I would NEVER buy a used car from any dealer in Canada or the US. Others can debate that but for me it will never happen. I've seen too many reports of fudged paperwork (the most recent report on Marketplace abut the inaccuracy of Carfax), reclaimed salvaged vehicles and rental units - which get totally trashed by the end-user. From stories on the 'net some rental companies have been found to do NO maintenance on their vehicle while in their possession.

The fact that some posters can get used Subarus at wholesale for $15K tells me that they continue to gouge Canadian consumers even at the re-sale level. I invite anyone to show me a RETAIL posting in Canada for ANY undamaged 2008 or 2009 Legacy or Outback in Canada for less than $20k. Since I'm not a slick salesman, my simple math skills tell me that the wholesalers are still gouging consumer with 20 - 30% markups. Tack on the taxes (in most jurisdiction) and the markup is even more significant. Most of the wholesale vehicles were/are US imports and are making their way through to the retail level now. At some GTA and GVR area re-sellers, they have a good percentage of used US vehicles on their lots.

Personally, I don't need to get myself a dealer's license. I don't have any polyester suits and am not about to buy any. If I need a new car, I know where to go. Last year 170,000 Canadians agreed with me.

Most regular posters on this site know that I have no patience with the Canadian automotive retail sector as whole; that won't change anytime soon.

[johnsa]

So it seems a new poster has a problem with my signature. I'm sorry you feel that way Mr. DesRosiers.

I didn't win the recent "most helpful thread" thread for my inaccuracies. There must have been some merit as I was interviewed by radio, tv and the press.

I don't care what ANYONE says, I will NEVER consider buying a car in Canada without first checking out the prices in the US. True, when I bought my car about two years ago (wow time flies) there weren't nearly as many roadblocks in the way. With the current exchange rate less cars are available, but there are still LOTS of deals to be had down south.

Personally I would NEVER buy a used car from any dealer in Canada or the US. Others can debate that but for me it will never happen. I've seen too many reports of fudged paperwork (the most recent report on Marketplace abut the inaccuracy of Carfax), reclaimed salvaged vehicles and rental units - which get totally trashed by the end-user. From stories on the 'net some rental companies have been found to do NO maintenance on their vehicle while in their possession.

The fact that some posters can get used Subarus at wholesale for $15K tells me that they continue to gouge Canadian consumers even at the re-sale level. I invite anyone to show me a RETAIL posting in Canada for ANY undamaged 2008 or 2009 Legacy or Outback in Canada for less than $20k. Since I'm not a slick salesman, my simple math skills tell me that the wholesalers are still gouging consumer with 20 - 30% markups. Tack on the taxes (in most jurisdiction) and the markup is even more significant. Most of the wholesale vehicles were/are US imports and are making their way through to the retail level now. At some GTA and GVR area re-sellers, they have a good percentage of used US vehicles on their lots.

Personally, I don't need to get myself a dealer's license. I don't have any polyester suits and am not about to buy any. If I need a new car, I know where to go. Last year 170,000 Canadians agreed with me.

Most regular posters on this site know that I have no patience with the Canadian automotive retail sector as whole; that won't change anytime soon.

;)

[ziploc]

So it seems a new poster has a problem with my signature. I'm sorry you feel that way Mr. DesRosiers.

I didn't win the recent "most helpful thread" thread for my inaccuracies. There must have been some merit as I was interviewed by radio, tv and the press.

I don't care what ANYONE says, I will NEVER consider buying a car in Canada without first checking out the prices in the US. True, when I bought my car about two years ago (wow time flies) there weren't nearly as many roadblocks in the way. True, with the current exchange rate less cars are available, but there are still LOTS of deals to be had down south. Remember I bought my car when the exchange rate was in the .85 - .90 range. I stockpiled cash whenever the exchange rate was favourable. I know many people who are still enjoying considerable savings since the market collapse. Every one of them had already transferred their funds over so the exchange rate now is inconsequential. I understand that at the Lewiston crossing near Niagara Falls, ON, cars continue to come over albeit at a slower pace than months ago.

Personally I would NEVER buy a used car from any dealer in Canada or the US. Others can debate that but for me it will never happen. I've seen too many reports of fudged paperwork (the most recent report on Marketplace abut the inaccuracy of Carfax), reclaimed salvaged vehicles and rental units - which get totally trashed by the end-user. From stories on the 'net some rental companies have been found to do NO maintenance on their vehicle while in their possession.

The fact that some posters can get used Subarus at wholesale for $15K tells me that they continue to gouge Canadian consumers even at the re-sale level. I invite anyone to show me a RETAIL posting in Canada for ANY undamaged 2008 or 2009 Legacy or Outback in Canada for less than $20k. Since I'm not a slick salesman, my simple math skills tell me that the wholesalers are still gouging consumer with 20 - 30% markups. Tack on the taxes (in most jurisdiction) and the markup is even more significant. Most of the wholesale vehicles were/are US imports and are making their way through to the retail level now. At some GTA and GVR area re-sellers, they have a good percentage of used US vehicles on their lots.

Personally, I don't need to get myself a dealer's license. I don't have any polyester suits and am not about to buy any. If I need a new car, I know where to go. Last year 170,000 Canadians agreed with me.

Most regular posters on this site know that I have no patience with the Canadian automotive retail sector as whole; that won't change anytime soon.

AMEN..

it's not without a reason that this thread was voted
THE MOST HELPFUL THREAD

[BobLoblaw]

Sorry I don't buy myself subaru's and I have no interest for these econo boxes. :razz: Not my cup of tea, nor people i know. Interesting fact B9 Tribeca is made in the U.S. Makes it even worse now in my eyes! Sure, BKcars is buying poor quality Tribeca's, 16,000 miles is unacceptable for a 2009 if you ask me! Company demo's that were beaten, and a lot of them are rated 1 or 2 out of 5 on the Auction rating system. Painted panels from minor accidents, many dents, overall rough condition, they'll sell for $21-22K at the auctions, ofcourse. Dealer buys them, does a lot to bring them up to good condition. Some of them are horrible colours no one will ever consider, so they have to sell at $1000 above cost just to clear them out of their inventory. You aren't looking at the right vehicles if the lowest price is all you're looking for. Ever heard the saying, "priced too low to be true!". Well thats because somethings wrong with it.


And I won't disagree with you guys on certain points. I do save a lot of money buying from the US ( mostly exotic and luxury cars over 100K, especially after when I'm purchasing 2004 Lamborghini Gallardo's for $88,000. I've purchased a couple already for customers, and will be purchasing one for myself in March or April as soon as I find an Orange or White Gallardo Spyder. They still sell here for $160,000 - $200,000+. And I agree, Bangle sucks. Now that he's retired from BMW, someone even worse has taken his place! Thats why I sold my 650i cabriolet, and M6 coupe after realizing I enjoyed my E46 M3's much more! Styling and driveability, they are much more enjoyable!

Exchange rate means nothing when you have well over $200K in US funds in a US account, exchanged from when our Dollar was worth more ;)

But for the lower end spectrum, and average cars/SUV's right now, the best place to buy is here in Canada. There will be the odd larger stealership where they are use to large profit margains and will never keep up with the times, and lower their prices, but thats fine. Take your business elsewhere if you don't like the way they work you! You have the right to. There are other Canadian dealers who are just as competitive with US pricing and save you the hassles instead of importing yourself from the US. Lets face it, most people these days don't have $20,000 or even $30,000 cash to go and buy a car outright. They rely on leasing and financing, so they're limited to purchasing local.

List any car, and I'll give you an accurate up to the day price on what they're selling for at U.S and Canada Dealer auctions. Something non of you have access to, so believe me or not, I don't care, in the end, you're all the ones that dealers are still making profit from :P

As well, For certain cars, I can buy them for less locally from wholesaler friends.

And why wouldn't I get a dealers license, and start a small business buying and selling nice cars. I enjoy fine automobiles just as much as the next guy, and its a great way to make a lot of money on the side apart from my day job ;) And I drive any car I want, any day of the week, and switch it up every month. Something 99% of people on here will never get to do either. So why wouldn't I consider myself informed on this topic?!

What price shows up at the auctions for new and used (under 10k miles) 2008 Nissan Frontier LE 4x4 Crew cabs?
Autotrader (US) lists some around $22500 usd, add 10G and you can find one in Canada.

[sexyblackbmw]

What price shows up at the auctions for new and used (under 10k miles) 2008 Nissan Frontier LE 4x4 Crew cabs?
Autotrader (US) lists some around $22500 usd, add 10G and you can find one in Canada.

Two sold for $22,500U.S in the last month. 4000 Miles , and 8000 Miles.

Another sold for $19,400U.S with 12,000 miles.

Some with 16,000 miles and 19,000 miles selling for $16,000 U.S range

Does that help?

[sexyblackbmw]

So it seems a new poster has a problem with my signature. I'm sorry you feel that way Mr. DesRosiers.

I didn't win the recent "most helpful thread" thread for my inaccuracies. There must have been some merit as I was interviewed by radio, tv and the press.

I don't care what ANYONE says, I will NEVER consider buying a car in Canada without first checking out the prices in the US. True, when I bought my car about two years ago (wow time flies) there weren't nearly as many roadblocks in the way. True, with the current exchange rate less cars are available, but there are still LOTS of deals to be had down south. Remember I bought my car when the exchange rate was in the .85 - .90 range. I stockpiled cash whenever the exchange rate was favourable. I know many people who are still enjoying considerable savings since the market collapse. Every one of them had already transferred their funds over so the exchange rate now is inconsequential. I understand that at the Lewiston crossing near Niagara Falls, ON, cars continue to come over albeit at a slower pace than months ago.

Personally I would NEVER buy a used car from any dealer in Canada or the US. Others can debate that but for me it will never happen. I've seen too many reports of fudged paperwork (the most recent report on Marketplace abut the inaccuracy of Carfax), reclaimed salvaged vehicles and rental units - which get totally trashed by the end-user. From stories on the 'net some rental companies have been found to do NO maintenance on their vehicle while in their possession.

The fact that some posters can get used Subarus at wholesale for $15K tells me that they continue to gouge Canadian consumers even at the re-sale level. I invite anyone to show me a RETAIL posting in Canada for ANY undamaged 2008 or 2009 Legacy or Outback in Canada for less than $20k. Since I'm not a slick salesman, my simple math skills tell me that the wholesalers are still gouging consumer with 20 - 30% markups. Tack on the taxes (in most jurisdiction) and the markup is even more significant. Most of the wholesale vehicles were/are US imports and are making their way through to the retail level now. At some GTA and GVR area re-sellers, they have a good percentage of used US vehicles on their lots.

Personally, I don't need to get myself a dealer's license. I don't have any polyester suits and am not about to buy any. If I need a new car, I know where to go. Last year 170,000 Canadians agreed with me.

Most regular posters on this site know that I have no patience with the Canadian automotive retail sector as whole; that won't change anytime soon.

Fair enough, you're entitled to your opinion, and preferences, like anyone else is. And so am I. We'll agree to disagree.

Congratulations at helping so many Canadian consumers out. Great for average consumers, including yourself whom don't see what actually goes on behind the scenes in the auto market!

I thought maybe I'd shed some light/truth on what is actually going on, right now, and post some real prices of actual dealer costs!

Not that its anyone’s business, but Don't worry pal, I don't own any polyester suits (only the best for me ;)), and I don't sell exotic cars worth more than most your homes, for primary income either. My career keeps me busy during the day; buying and selling high end cars is simply a hobby, and in to this business to beat the retail mark-ups (that you rather hate so much) on all the luxury sport/exotic automobiles I've owned over the years.

Anyways, good luck with all your future U.S. car purchases! :razz:


edit: btw, forgot to post this link to VMR Canada, great resource for the newbies to see what they realistically should be paying for a vehicle in canada! http://www.vmrcanada.com/canada_makes.htm

And your 2008 Subaru Legacy's are listed to be around $20K CAD and less for the limited/base models. http://www.vmrcanada.com/value_menus/canprices/08sulecy.htm

[MMMM]

Originally Posted by sexyblackbmw
I have two GT-R's in stock starting at $80,000 CAD... Interested?

I am ready to buy one of these GT-R's. Where do I see it? test drive it? Who do I call?

[Homeo]

I bought the family a 2004 Honda Pilot for 14K in the USA back in July 2008 when Canadian dealers here were asking 20K with double the mileage ...
This was before the collapse, albeit the dollar was much stronger.

Now I'm in the market for a German sports car. despite the crappy dollar and the 6% duty on NON-nafta cars, I don't even look at Canadian listings.

There's just such a huge market for cars in the US that not only are the prices much better but the selection is also superb. Not to mention many cars down south have never seen snow. If you're willing to take a road trip there's lots of gems to be had

Something to think about i guess. Here's hoping for a few cent rise in the dollar.

[BobLoblaw]

Two sold for $22,500U.S in the last month. 4000 Miles , and 8000 Miles.

Another sold for $19,400U.S with 12,000 miles.

Some with 16,000 miles and 19,000 miles selling for $16,000 U.S range

Does that help?

Yes, thanks for the reply.

[Sergio]

Guys,

I found a Z4 3.0 2006, with 30k miles for 21500$USD.

Some questions:

1. Is recall letter from USA dealer good enough?

2. Is transport canada forcing us to change cluster? I remember this was actually something that BMW Canada imposed, and many sued....

3. Is price ok?

Thanks...
Sergio

[sexyblackbmw]

Guys,

I found a Z4 3.0 2006, with 30k miles for 21500$USD.

Some questions:

1. Is recall letter from USA dealer good enough?

2. Is transport canada forcing us to change cluster? I remember this was actually something that BMW Canada imposed, and many sued....

3. Is price ok?

Thanks...
Sergio

Not really. Save yourself the hassles.
http://www.trader.ca/powerpage/details.aspx?vlotid=95564&adid=7516620

[soldwithgold]

Find out what the trade in value of the Z4 is Sergio in the US, and go offer that.
Sometimes dealers will take a much lower cash offers for stuff that is slow to move.

[johnsa]

Not really. Save yourself the hassles.
http://www.trader.ca/powerpage/details.aspx?vlotid=95564&adid=7516620

Agreed...26k +/- would make this one decent...

[Sergio]

Ok, good stuff. I will offer american's 21,000$USD, which is about 26000$CAD.
It will probably cost me about 700$ to get it transported to NY, Champlain.

What about recall letter and cluster, anyone aware if I gotta do something?

Sergio

Not really. Save yourself the hassles.
http://www.trader.ca/powerpage/details.aspx?vlotid=95564&adid=7516620

[Monsieurmaggot]

What about recall letter and cluster, anyone aware if I gotta do something?

Sergio

If the cluster has both Imperial and Metric markers you're good - contrary to what any dealer tells you.

Best check with www.riv.ca to determine what else is required (most likely nothing).

You will need a recall letter regardless.

[sexyblackbmw]

Ok, good stuff. I will offer american's 21,000$USD, which is about 26000$CAD.
It will probably cost me about 700$ to get it transported to NY, Champlain.

What about recall letter and cluster, anyone aware if I gotta do something?

Sergio

You're going to be well over $29,000 plus canadian taxes just to get that car to you.

Why not go ahead and offer the Wilson guys $25,500 for that Z4. Considering the slow market most dealers are experiencing now, I'm sure they won't hesitate to take your offer! On top of that, try to negoitiate Certified series warranty up to 160,000KM's with the vehicle purchase. Trust me, its worth it with some of these cars!

Act fast though, for convertibles all dealers will be raising their prices come spring time!

Just to give you a heads up, 2006 Z4 3.0 6spds are selling for $16,000-20,000 here in canada all day long at the auctions, and they're going for $13,000-19,000 all day long at U.S auctions (all dependant on mileage and condition rating ofcourse)


Out of my 3 BMW's I currently own, Two M series cars which are Canadian vehicles and one 650I cabriolet which is a US car, the two M series never need any warranty work, just regular maintenance.

My U.S. 650i cabriolet ($120,000 vehicle) on the other hand is in the dealership every other month for little annoying issues, that seem to reoccur.


Cluster:
At first, BMW refused to do any warranty work without me changing the cluster to Canadian KM/H only as well a few other things were performed under their US to Canada conversion to obtain warranty. I spoke to everyone and anyone who were experts on this topic, and there was no way around it at the time. $2400 later I'm putting that free warranty to very good use!

Either way, you're not getting the free included 4 year/80K maintenance that all US owners recieve.

So its all up to you, take a chance and listen to the guy who's owned subaru's all his life, or take advice from someone who currently owns 3 BMW's and countless others in the past :razz:

[DarkCat]

...Here you go, Transaction history for Manheim U.S auctions for the SUV you're looking for. Maybe it will help you.
Why not consider a 2007 Lexus RX350, for $18,000- $20,000 U.S? If you like this sort of vehicle?...


I assume that you posted this because it is available to EVERYBODY.
Not much use if it is restricted to dealers only.

Of course, I'd love a RX350 for $20G's.
How do we average non-dealers get it?

[jed]

From what I gather, you're supposed to negotiate so the dealer will sell to you what he paid for it.;)

[michelb]

From what I gather, you're supposed to negotiate so the dealer will sell to you what he paid for it.;)

Unless of course the car is not in mint shape or it's been sitting on the lot for more than a few days - in which case, he should obviously be willing to sell it at a loss just to get rid of it.

[jed]

Possibly, but I'm talking in general. Most dealers when they take in a trade, or buy at auction are buying to make a buck. They will judge their purchase of that car accordingly - less $ for a POS and more for a nice unit. Now it does happen that one of the used will grow roots, those are the ones that he may take a bit of a loss on.

My point being, dealers are in the business to make money, and selling stuff at breakeven or a loss, doesn't keep them in business very long. The likelihood of you or I able to buy things this way, is not good, is what I'm saying is all.

[RASHID007]

Just to give you a heads up, 2006 Z4 3.0 6spds are selling for $16,000-20,000 here in canada all day long at the auctions, and they're going for $13,000-19,000 all day long at U.S auctions (all dependant on mileage and condition rating ofcourse)



Are you talking about dealer only auctions in Canada or auctions anybody can go to? The cheapest 06 Z4 I can find is approaching $30,000 on trader.ca.

[Danno2005]

Are you talking about dealer only auctions in Canada or auctions anybody can go to? The cheapest 06 Z4 I can find is approaching $30,000 on trader.ca.

Dealer only.

[DarkCat]

Dealer only.


If so, what is the point posting it here?

[dealhound]

[QUOTE=sexyblackbmw;8307274]
Just to give you a heads up, 2006 Z4 3.0 6spds are selling for $16,000-20,000 here in canada all day long at the auctions, and they're going for $13,000-19,000 all day long at U.S auctions (all dependant on mileage and condition rating ofcourse)


I'd like to get my hands on one at that price!

[calliesmum]

If I have bought a trailer online and was foolish enough not to check for a recall and there is one on the refrigeration unit, I can not bring this travel trailer into Canada, Is this correct? I am hoping I am wrong on this. But by customs clearance letter, that means there can not be any recalls or can the recall be repaired and then brought in,

Help...

[mikeroyal]

Yes it can be completed in US and sometimes in Canada by the manufacture and should be free of charge contact manufacture before you import

[hellothere]

Say I exported a brand new Japanese car from a US dealer. Does anyone know if there is a way to reclaim the duty that was paid (2% I think) when the car was imported into the US? I think it's called "duty callback".

I read about the issue in this thread a while back, but I cannot find the information anymore.

[johnsa]

no to the duty..you can not get it back..and it is about 6%..kills some deals

[shopper-X]

Say I exported a brand new Japanese car from a US dealer. Does anyone know if there is a way to reclaim the duty that was paid (2% I think) when the car was imported into the US? I think it's called "duty callback".

I read about the issue in this thread a while back, but I cannot find the information anymore.

no to the duty..you can not get it back..and it is about 6%..kills some deals

I think his talking about the Duty the car company paid to import the car to the USA. Just like how the 6.1% Duty is already added to the MSRP of cars in Canada, when you buy a car in the USA the MSRP includes the duty paid to the US government.

[michelb]

I think his talking about the Duty the car company paid to import the car to the USA. Just like how the 6.1% Duty is already added to the MSRP of cars in Canada, when you buy a car in the USA the MSRP includes the duty paid to the US government.

I've also heard that this might be possible but I've never heard of anyone who's actually done it.

[squid]

where duty is refunded is usually when the importer exports the products they initially paid duty on. Where they can show they are reselling out of the country, their duty is refunded.

Now if a 3rd party can purchase and export and claim back the duty I am not sure. They would need to have the documentation of the initial payment of duty at least, and I am sure that would be on the wholesale amount.

[sotx]

sorry i've only been reading a few pages here and i got really interested but i couldn't do 1078 pages lol...

my question is... How is it with used car? I live in montreal, canada and the cheapest Mazda3 i found here is around 8995$.

2005 Mazda3
78000 km
Automatic
Well equipped

is it also advantageous to go to the states to buy one of these? anywhere that i should start from?

[sotx]

so... i guess no one saw this? or stop posting?

[michelb]

sorry i've only been reading a few pages here and i got really interested but i couldn't do 1078 pages lol...

my question is... How is it with used car? I live in montreal, canada and the cheapest Mazda3 i found here is around 8995$.

2005 Mazda3
78000 km
Automatic
Well equipped

is it also advantageous to go to the states to buy one of these? anywhere that i should start from?

so... i guess no one saw this? or stop posting?

I think's more that there's no real answer to your post; it just depends on the deal you can find. Especially with used cars where there can be a pretty significant difference in price / quality / etc.

In general, higher priced vehicles have more margin on them so there's more room to save. In your case, look at ads / call dealerships in Plattsburg and see how the prices compare. I would be tempted to say that with the current exchange rate, you probably won't find any benefits for cars under $10k but it really comes down to specifics.

[sotx]

ah as i presumed... i didn't think there's too much saving on used car but... i thought 2000$ would be worth it... thank you for your reply

[a12288]

I am planing to import 2nd car, 1st one was Sienna couple of years ago, so looking for compact model this time, might be Corolla, before I pull out the dealer list and call them one by one, just like to know anyone bought one from States recently, how is the process? even though the loonie is not strong, but take a look at autobrag.com, sill lot of saving there.

[michelb]

I am planing to import 2nd car, 1st one was Sienna couple of years ago, so looking for compact model this time, might be Corolla, before I pull out the dealer list and call them one by one, just like to know anyone bought one from States recently, how is the process? even though the loonie is not strong, but take a look at autobrag.com, sill lot of saving there.

Actually, even when the Cnd$ was at par or close to it, I think the Corolla was one of the few cars that there was no benefit from buying in the US. I really don't know the Corollas that well but right now a 2010 LE in the US is about $17k US-> $22k CND after exchange while a 2010 LE in Canada is 22235 on Toyota.ca (I suspect you can get at least $1k off that). Furthermore, I believe the US LE is actually equivalent to the CND CE (i.e. the CND LE comes with more standard equipment (16" alloys, 6 speakers radio, etc)).

Obviously you probably want to do your own research but I'm pretty sure that for a Corolla, you're better off buying in Canada.

[ak1004]

Actually, even when the Cnd$ was at par or close to it, I think the Corolla was one of the few cars that there was no benefit from buying in the US. I really don't know the Corollas that well but right now a 2010 LE in the US is about $17k US-> $22k CND after exchange while a 2010 LE in Canada is 22235 on Toyota.ca (I suspect you can get at least $1k off that). Furthermore, I believe the US LE is actually equivalent to the CND CE (i.e. the CND LE comes with more standard equipment (16" alloys, 6 speakers radio, etc)).

Obviously you probably want to do your own research but I'm pretty sure that for a Corolla, you're better off buying in Canada.

I think the same holds for Impreza. MSRP for Subaru 2.5i 4-door in US $18,495 USD which translates to more than $23k CAN � actually more expensive in States.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

[a12288]

I won't bother to look at 2010 model, while focus at 2009 model and the car I am looking for is just A vehicle helps me from point A to Point B.

take a look at autobrag.com, some 2009 Toyota Corolla was 25% (USD4000) off right now, to me, if I could save over CDN2000 at year 2009, I would go south to buy it.

again, anyone bough Toyota car from States recently? thanks.

Actually, even when the Cnd$ was at par or close to it, I think the Corolla was one of the few cars that there was no benefit from buying in the US. I really don't know the Corollas that well but right now a 2010 LE in the US is about $17k US-> $22k CND after exchange while a 2010 LE in Canada is 22235 on Toyota.ca (I suspect you can get at least $1k off that). Furthermore, I believe the US LE is actually equivalent to the CND CE (i.e. the CND LE comes with more standard equipment (16" alloys, 6 speakers radio, etc)).

Obviously you probably want to do your own research but I'm pretty sure that for a Corolla, you're better off buying in Canada.

[michelb]

I won't bother to look at 2010 model, while focus at 2009 model and the car I am looking for is just A vehicle helps me from point A to Point B.

take a look at autobrag.com, some 2009 Toyota Corolla was 25% (USD4000) off right now, to me, if I could save over CDN2000 at year 2009, I would go south to buy it.

again, anyone bough Toyota car from States recently? thanks.

I'm all for importing from the US (we imported 3 vehicles in the past few years) but only if it makes financial sense and with the CND$ below $.80US I think it doesn't in most cases (I think you can still save on some of the more expensive cars and on used sports cars, etc).

Obviously you'll save by buying an 09 vs a 10 (although if you don't plan on keeping the car that long, you might lose most / all of it on resale) but you can also get the same savings on a 09 vs 10 in Canada so that's not really an issue.

2 friends recently purchased cars (one bought a new Venza and one bought a used Sienna) - I initially suggested that they should buy in the US but after factoring the exchange, the Sienna was about the same in Canada and the Venza was considerably cheaper in Canada.

[shopper-X]

Just a note for all that imported Subaru's:

Subaru of America covers wear items while Subaru of Canada does not. This includes the uber expensive wiper blades for the 06-07 B9 Tribeca.
Drivers 26" molded wiper = $80 CAD
Passenger 20" molded wiper = $40 CAD
Rear 14" standard wiper = $10 CAD (Parts Source)


Wear Item Limited Warranty

Wear item coverage is 3 year or 36,000 miles, whichever comes first. Items covered are brake pad/shoe linings, clutch linings, and wiper blades.


General Warranty information can be found here: Subaru of America Warranties (https://www.subaru.com/my-subaru/warranties-2009.html) (select year from right)

If you already bought wipers or any of the above items for your vehicle, try to get a refund from SOA.

[mdex]

I may be moving to Canada in the next 2-3 months. I am looking at new Toyota Highlanders right now. With the current exchange rate, is it still cheaper to buy in the US and import or wait until I move and buy there.

Sorry if this has been asked before.

Chicago to London, Ontario.

[shopper-X]

I may be moving to Canada in the next 2-3 months. I am looking at new Toyota Highlanders right now. With the current exchange rate, is it still cheaper to buy in the US and import or wait until I move and buy there.

Sorry if this has been asked before.

Chicago to London, Ontario.

I believe to avoid taxes when moving, you must own the items for atleast 3 months. So if you're moving in less then 3 months I would say buy it in Canada.

[michelb]

I believe to avoid taxes when moving, you must own the items for atleast 3 months. So if you're moving in less then 3 months I would say buy it in Canada.

I thought I had asked Customs this several years ago and was told I needed proof that the vehicle had been registered at least 6 months (might even have been one year) but that was a while ago so it might have changed.

More importantly though, there's a $10k cap on the tax free allowance (i.e. even if you've owned it for long enough, you still have to pay taxes on the amount over $10000 (check value limitation at http://cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/pub/bsf5087-eng.html) and according to that document, you might still have to pay provincial tax on the full value.

[nornet]

I won't bother to look at 2010 model, while focus at 2009 model and the car I am looking for is just A vehicle helps me from point A to Point B.

take a look at autobrag.com, some 2009 Toyota Corolla was 25% (USD4000) off right now, to me, if I could save over CDN2000 at year 2009, I would go south to buy it.

again, anyone bough Toyota car from States recently? thanks.

Most manufacturers have residency requirements for discounts and cash back etc. which you are not entitled to as a Canadian.

[killbillvol1]

I may be moving to Canada in the next 2-3 months. I am looking at new Toyota Highlanders right now. With the current exchange rate, is it still cheaper to buy in the US and import or wait until I move and buy there.

Sorry if this has been asked before.

Chicago to London, Ontario.

I would highly advise you to buy a car and register it where you are, and put it on your moving manifest. From what I understood, when you move you can import the car without paying the taxes.

PM me for info and I can tell you the extent of what I know.

All the best!

[Redsun_ty]

Am I able to take over my friend lease if the car is regisitered in the US? Is a slighty used car still in very good shape.

[mr banker]

I read in this forum last fall when the Cdn dollar was strong that there was a a company that had the best rates for wiring US funds to a dealer in the US. I did a search but couldn't find it. Can anybody help me out with the name of the company. Also, is there a lot of paperwork you have to do to set up an account? I live in Vancouver so don't know if you do it online or go into an office. Thanks.

[chinoxl]

Just for consideration,

2008 NISSAN 350Z NISMO 6Spd, with 3000 Miles are selling for $22,000 at the auction. I found a few.

All Z's are manufactered in Japan. You can tell by the VIN number starting with 'J'. So you have to pay 6.1% duty.

Nissan has started production of the 370Z January 2009. They should be at dealerships soon enough, if not already in the U.S. Don't expect any deals. They are not going to go under MSRP for a while in my professional oppinion. There's a demand for these, and people will pay full pop! Wait a year, and you'll see some deals!

Is paying the significant depreciation for the 2009 370Z (332BHP/270 lb�ft) worth it to you for only an extra 26 BHP and 2 ft�lbf over the 2008 350Z (306HP/268ft�lbf )or the Nismo 313 BHP and only 1500 unit were produced in 2007/2008? I would take the rare car IMO.

But if your heart is set on a 2009 370Z, C'est la vie! :razz:

I have two GT-R's in stock starting at $80,000 CAD... Interested? j/k :razz:

Thanks for the reply
is the nismo at an ontario auction or US auction?

[sexyblackbmw]

Thanks for the reply
is the nismo at an ontario auction or US auction?

NP, that car is long gone sold. it was manheim us dealer auction.

[chinoxl]

NP, that car is long gone sold. it was manheim us dealer auction.

Oh yeah no doubt, just wanted to get an idea of the price range at Ontario auctions, but since it's in the US it won't matter. thanks though, appreciate it a lot.

[michelb]

I read in this forum last fall when the Cdn dollar was strong that there was a a company that had the best rates for wiring US funds to a dealer in the US. I did a search but couldn't find it. Can anybody help me out with the name of the company. Also, is there a lot of paperwork you have to do to set up an account? I live in Vancouver so don't know if you do it online or go into an office. Thanks.

A lot of people used www.xe.com but I didn't think it was noticeably better than the rate I got from TDCanadaTrust with a borderless account (not enough to offset the inconvenience anyway).

[Marzipan]

I read in this forum last fall when the Cdn dollar was strong that there was a a company that had the best rates for wiring US funds to a dealer in the US. I did a search but couldn't find it. Can anybody help me out with the name of the company. Also, is there a lot of paperwork you have to do to set up an account? I live in Vancouver so don't know if you do it online or go into an office. Thanks.

The one I used - Vancouver Bullion and Currency Exchange
http://www.vbce.info/

Saved a hundred or so but the car dealer was $25.00 short, in spite of our agreement. The suggestion was that US Wachovia bank took a fee.

[michelb]

The one I used - Vancouver Bullion and Currency Exchange
http://www.vbce.info/

Saved a hundred or so but the car dealer was $25.00 short, in spite of our agreement. The suggestion was that US Wachovia bank took a fee.

I had the same problem this summer when I sent a wire from TD (although it was only $10). Kind of annoyed me since if their bank charges a fee to receive, it's not my problem and I don't think I should have to pay their bank fees but it wasn't worth the hassle of arguing it so I just paid it.

[sofa_king]

Looking at importing a 2009 Volkswagen Jetta Sportswagen TDI Highline Trim and I notice in the Warranty section of carburner.com that for 2009 models Volkswagen will not cover the US warranty here in Canada but they did for previous years. Odd? Can anyone confirm this? Anyone looked into importing this vehicle? Obviously the US government rebate on diesels wouldn't apply. And the rebate in Canada only applies for hybrids. Can't get a break on this vehicle. Appreciate any words of wisdom. Also looking at the 2009 Audi A3 as an alternative.

[wackojacko]

Looking at importing a 2009 Volkswagen Jetta Sportswagen TDI Highline Trim and I notice in the Warranty section of carburner.com that for 2009 models Volkswagen will not cover the US warranty here in Canada but they did for previous years. Odd? Can anyone confirm this? Anyone looked into importing this vehicle? Obviously the US government rebate on diesels wouldn't apply. And the rebate in Canada only applies for hybrids. Can't get a break on this vehicle. Appreciate any words of wisdom. Also looking at the 2009 Audi A3 as an alternative.

Look like the 2009 are not covered, according to the apa's website, says: "will honour the warranty on 2008 U.S.-market cars, but not on 2009 model year."

[james-007]

Look like the 2009 are not covered, according to the apa's website, says: "will honour the warranty on 2008 U.S.-market cars, but not on 2009 model year."


Yes it's true 2009 and newer no longer covered in Canada. 2008 and prior are. I was told this when I imported my 2007 Jetta last November,

[BHA1]

Hello all,

I am buying a 2005 car from Texas, which is currently being shipped to Buffalo.

I have received the title from the used car dealership, but it looks like Texas titles don't have any signatures to show that the car is being sold or who the new owner is.

The dealer just reassigns the car to the next dealership as it goes to/from auction. So I have four dealer signatures on the back, starting with the place where the previous owner traded the car in, and ending with the dealership from where I'm buying the car.

Will I run into any problems at US Customs? I've already faxed them the title, but I recall reading somewhere that the title either had to be "in the buyer's name" or "signed over to the buyer". There is no spot to do so on a Texas title from what I can see.

I have a bill of sale along with the title. Will these two documents together be enough to show US customs?

[doctorlove]

Hi, I'm hoping you guys might be able to help me! My father bought a car from a dealer in Detroit and had it shipped to Great Falls. The dealer removed their temp/dealer plates before shipping.

I'm supposed to fly down to get the car in two days.

The Montana DMV refuses to issue a temporary driving permit unless you are a state resident or you bought the car there. We phoned the dealer back up in Michigan, who says they can't issue a permit/plates for us.

We have already arranged for insurance and an Alberta driving permit, but the Montana DMV tells me this is not enough to be able to drive the car from Great Falls to the border crossing (though they weren't 'sure').

What should I do? Would it be illegal to drive with just the Alberta permit and insurance? I can't risk having a criminal record since I have plans to move to the UK at the end of the summer.

I'm so frustrated! :cry:

[AGR-1]

The title should be reassigned to you in the back and signed by the seller.

[jed]

Hi, I'm hoping you guys might be able to help me! My father bought a car from a dealer in Detroit and had it shipped to Great Falls. The dealer removed their temp/dealer plates before shipping.

I'm supposed to fly down to get the car in two days.

The Montana DMV refuses to issue a temporary driving permit unless you are a state resident or you bought the car there. We phoned the dealer back up in Michigan, who says they can't issue a permit/plates for us.

We have already arranged for insurance and an Alberta driving permit, but the Montana DMV tells me this is not enough to be able to drive the car from Great Falls to the border crossing (though they weren't 'sure').

What should I do? Would it be illegal to drive with just the Alberta permit and insurance? I can't risk having a criminal record since I have plans to move to the UK at the end of the summer.

I'm so frustrated! :cry:

I took my own AB plate down, with previously setup insurance, threw it on the van, and drive home. Done.

[paaji]

Any recommendations on dealers who are willing to sell to canadians or you have dealt with these dealers previously in Vancouver BC area.

I am interested in either one these:
Toyota RAV4
Acura RDX
Honda CRV
Lexus CRV type.


Thanks

[PrimeBane]

The Montana DMV refuses to issue a temporary driving permit unless you are a state resident or you bought the car there. We phoned the dealer back up in Michigan, who says they can't issue a permit/plates for us.



The Detroit dealer should have provided your with a 30 day permit that was good for all 50 states... I know that's what I got when I picked my vehicle up in Minnesota.

You could slap your own plate on as jed said, but if you get caught you'll be in deep s#!t (or so I was told when I looked into it).

[michelb]

The Detroit dealer should have provided your with a 30 day permit that was good for all 50 states... I know that's what I got when I picked my vehicle up in Minnesota.

You could slap your own plate on as jed said, but if you get caught you'll be in deep s#!t (or so I was told when I looked into it).

Michigan has 14-day in-transit permits. The problem there is that Michigan dealers are suppose to collect the sales tax. Not giving an in-transit permit might be a way to get around it. Check 8-4.10 here http://www.mi.gov/documents/sos/Dealer_Manual_Chapter_8_186065_7.pdf

[southpaw4golf]

Hi, I'm hoping you guys might be able to help me! My father bought a car from a dealer in Detroit and had it shipped to Great Falls. The dealer removed their temp/dealer plates before shipping.

I'm supposed to fly down to get the car in two days.

The Montana DMV refuses to issue a temporary driving permit unless you are a state resident or you bought the car there. We phoned the dealer back up in Michigan, who says they can't issue a permit/plates for us.

We have already arranged for insurance and an Alberta driving permit, but the Montana DMV tells me this is not enough to be able to drive the car from Great Falls to the border crossing (though they weren't 'sure').

What should I do? Would it be illegal to drive with just the Alberta permit and insurance? I can't risk having a criminal record since I have plans to move to the UK at the end of the summer.

I'm so frustrated! :cry:

You might try contacting a car dealer in Great Falls, they might offer up some assistance. The other alternative is to have it shipped to Sweetgrass, which might cost you a couple of hundred but it is going be less risky than driving it back with Alberta plates on it. But... have you ever done the GF to Sweetgrass stretch? I've done it a quite a few times, that is one snoozer of a drive, I could probably count the number of State Troopers I've seen on that stretch on one hand.

[jed]

I figured what the heck are they going to do - I'm out of State, have current insurance, and besides its new. I'd do it again too.

But thats me.;)

Wonder what happened - today should have been the Go Day to get the vehicle.

[i-o_o-i]

Any recommendations on dealers who are willing to sell to canadians or you have dealt with these dealers previously in Vancouver BC area.

I am interested in either one these:
Toyota RAV4
Acura RDX
Honda CRV
Lexus CRV type.


Thanks
Lexus has no CRV type, their smallest is the RX and that is bigger than all the ones you have listed...

[Matty]

Any recommendations on dealers who are willing to sell to canadians or you have dealt with these dealers previously in Vancouver BC area.

You are in Vancouver? Any Canadian dealer will sell to you.

[hotweiss]

Hi, I'm hoping you guys might be able to help me! My father bought a car from a dealer in Detroit and had it shipped to Great Falls. The dealer removed their temp/dealer plates before shipping.

I'm supposed to fly down to get the car in two days.

The Montana DMV refuses to issue a temporary driving permit unless you are a state resident or you bought the car there. We phoned the dealer back up in Michigan, who says they can't issue a permit/plates for us.

We have already arranged for insurance and an Alberta driving permit, but the Montana DMV tells me this is not enough to be able to drive the car from Great Falls to the border crossing (though they weren't 'sure').

What should I do? Would it be illegal to drive with just the Alberta permit and insurance? I can't risk having a criminal record since I have plans to move to the UK at the end of the summer.

I'm so frustrated! :cry:

LOL, I don't think you would end up having a criminal record after driving without plates.

Good to know, I guess I need to get temporary plates in the state that I will be buying the car from. I thought that the Alberta registration would work in the US.

[Monsieurmaggot]

LOL, I don't think you would end up having a criminal record after driving without plates.

Good to know, I guess I need to get temporary plates in the state that I will be buying the car from. I thought that the Alberta registration would work in the US.

I wouldn't sweat it. Get Alberta transit plates and slap them on the car.

There are many RFDers on this site who did just that without any issues.

The preferred method is to get a transit place in the state where you buy your car and another one for the province you're travelling to.

Again, I know of lots of people who've done either. I can't recall anyone getting a ticket while travelling back from a dealer. Lots of people get tickets for abusing the transit permit. In most jurisdictions, it is intended to be used "in the process of licensing" a vehicle. Some folks wait a while and use the car to go shopping or run errands. They are surprised when they get slapped with a ticket then post "problems" on this site.

[parkbr]

Hi,

I am thinking of getting 2010 Toyota Corolla or 2010 Honda Civic.
I wonder if it is still a good idea to import car from the States.
I know when loonie was at the par, it was sweet, but now it's 1:1.23~24, I am not too sure if it still is.
This is my first car and I want to save $$..

Any comments will be helpful. Thank you for your help.

[shopper-X]

Hi,

I am thinking of getting 2010 Toyota Corolla or 2010 Honda Civic.
I wonder if it is still a good idea to import car from the States.
I know when loonie was at the par, it was sweet, but now it's 1:1.23~24, I am not too sure if it still is.
This is my first car and I want to save $$..

Any comments will be helpful. Thank you for your help.

Honda/Acura warranty is NOT valid in Canada if you import.
As per prices, get some quotes and decide what price is comfortable for you.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Shopper-X has a good point.

Taking the exchange rate into consideration, is a few thousand dollars in savings worth not having a warranty?

Some folks aren't comfortable with that while others rather take a risk and keep the extra coin in their pockets.

My car is now coming up to two years old and it hasn't had any warranty work whatsoever - even thought mine is still covered.

I did read that the tables are now turning and there is an increasing number of US buyers coming north to buy cars.

Natually, I will be the first to complain when I find out who's selling cars to Americans.

[CalgaryJeremyK]

Even with the dollar at 1.23-1.25 it still pays to buy certain cars in the US. We are looking at a Toyota Sienna Limited FWD. I am located in Calgary and am hoping an RFD'er can PM me a Toyota dealership which is willing to transact with a Canadian on a new car (at a reasonable price). I tried the dealerships in the Seattle area (we will be in Vancouver on holidays in the next little while), but they all indicated they can't sell new cars to Canadians (despite the economy!!) and they are asking obscene prices for lightly used vehicles.

As I'm in Calgary and there are no US cities of consequence near me, I am willing to travel further into the US.

For anybody that is interested to know what type of vehicle is still worth purchasing in the US, I am looking at a Sienna Limited FWD with Nav/DVD/Laser Cruise and HIDs. The Edmunds TMV price is US$35,361. This would convert to approximately $44,201 at 1.25. With GST the total would be $46,411. In Canada, the MSRP on the same vehicle is $56,431 (albeit with AWD which I don't want). Assuming you could get $2,500 off ($1,500 from Toyota and $1,000 from the dealer), I'm still looking at $53,931. Granted, I will need to travel to the US to pick up my vehicle, but the few hundred I'd spend doing that is still overshadowed by the savings above. This is predicated on paying less than MSRP which I know, from reading this forum in its heyday, was sometimes a struggle when dealers found out they were talking to a Canadian.

One other question, has anybody here that has purchased a Toyota in the US also purchased the ECP extended warranty on their vehicle? I understand that Toyota dealers in the US are much more willing to negotiate extended warranty prices than Canadian dealers. Does the US ECP transfer to Canada without any problems?

Thanks in advance.

[Sergio]

Ok, I did all my calls when I had to drive car from NY to QC and here is what I got:

From NY DMV: temp registration was not available

From QC DMV: There is a 24hr ok period to bring car across border without penalties / fines. If police stops you, the insurance + paperwork from customs office is good enough prove to them that you are in the process of completing the process by getting local DMV papers.

Good luck!
Sergio

Hi, I'm hoping you guys might be able to help me! My father bought a car from a dealer in Detroit and had it shipped to Great Falls. The dealer removed their temp/dealer plates before shipping.

I'm supposed to fly down to get the car in two days.

The Montana DMV refuses to issue a temporary driving permit unless you are a state resident or you bought the car there. We phoned the dealer back up in Michigan, who says they can't issue a permit/plates for us.

We have already arranged for insurance and an Alberta driving permit, but the Montana DMV tells me this is not enough to be able to drive the car from Great Falls to the border crossing (though they weren't 'sure').

What should I do? Would it be illegal to drive with just the Alberta permit and insurance? I can't risk having a criminal record since I have plans to move to the UK at the end of the summer.

I'm so frustrated! :cry:

[crank71]

I took my own AB plate down, with previously setup insurance, threw it on the van, and drive home. Done.

I did that too when I brought back my Subaru. I actually told the US border guy in Great Falls I had driven up all the way from Salt Lake with it on. He just shook his head and said had I been stopped by the cops, they would have most likely charged me and impounded the car. The border guys didnt seem to care much, stamped my papers and send me on my merry way.

[michelb]

...

From QC DMV: There is a 24hr ok period to bring car across border without penalties / fines. If police stops you, the insurance + paperwork from customs office is good enough prove to them that you are in the process of completing the process by getting local DMV papers.

...

I would not count on that at all and I certainly wouldn't count on it in the US where they would probably impound the car (non resident driving without proper registration).

FWIW, several years ago I was driving my dad's car in Quebec and was stopped by SQ. My dad had forgotten to put the registration / proof of insurance in the glove box (he usually keeps it in his wallet and had told me he'd put in there but forgot) and I was given 2 tickets for failure to show proof of registration and for failure to show proof of insurance. No warning, no 48 hours to produce documents. By entering the plates, he could tell that the car was registered to my dad and plates valid (which he did since they always do that on traffic stops) and Ontario requires Insurance Policy number when you renew your plates so unless we happened to cancel our insurance after renewing the plates, it's pretty safe to assume that we did have insurance but still I got a ticket.

I'm sure chances are you'll be fine but ...

[lsafrany]

I have a line on 07 335i and I am wondering if there are still problems importing BMWs. Thanks, L.

[PrimeBane]

As I'm in Calgary and there are no US cities of consequence near me, I am willing to travel further into the US.


Have you looked up dealers in Minneapolis/St. Paul? It's about a 2 day drive back.

[oyster_777]

Even with the dollar at 1.23-1.25 it still pays to buy certain cars in the US. We are looking at a Toyota Sienna Limited FWD. I am located in Calgary and am hoping an RFD'er can PM me a Toyota dealership which is willing to transact with a Canadian on a new car (at a reasonable price). I tried the dealerships in the Seattle area (we will be in Vancouver on holidays in the next little while), but they all indicated they can't sell new cars to Canadians (despite the economy!!) and they are asking obscene prices for lightly used vehicles.

As I'm in Calgary and there are no US cities of consequence near me, I am willing to travel further into the US.

For anybody that is interested to know what type of vehicle is still worth purchasing in the US, I am looking at a Sienna Limited FWD with Nav/DVD/Laser Cruise and HIDs. The Edmunds TMV price is US$35,361. This would convert to approximately $44,201 at 1.25. With GST the total would be $46,411. In Canada, the MSRP on the same vehicle is $56,431 (albeit with AWD which I don't want). Assuming you could get $2,500 off ($1,500 from Toyota and $1,000 from the dealer), I'm still looking at $53,931. Granted, I will need to travel to the US to pick up my vehicle, but the few hundred I'd spend doing that is still overshadowed by the savings above. This is predicated on paying less than MSRP which I know, from reading this forum in its heyday, was sometimes a struggle when dealers found out they were talking to a Canadian.

One other question, has anybody here that has purchased a Toyota in the US also purchased the ECP extended warranty on their vehicle? I understand that Toyota dealers in the US are much more willing to negotiate extended warranty prices than Canadian dealers. Does the US ECP transfer to Canada without any problems?

Thanks in advance.


Jeremy,

We are in the market for a Toyota Sequoia. Would be interested in tag teaming to get a deal from American Dealership.

Oyster_777

[markhamloco]

Jeremy,

We are in the market for a Toyota Sequoia. Would be interested in tag teaming to get a deal from American Dealership.

Oyster_777

Search this thread as there are several Brokers that have posted as well as that were mentioned used for sourcing new Toyota vehicles. You could likely both use the same broker and possibly negotiate or lower their broker fees.

One broker I recall I called based on this thread was Fleetrates that had no issues dealing with Canadians. I did not use them since I felt there was some slight sales pressure and I would require to have the car shipped from the dealership to my choice of the border or direct to my residence.

I did not use fleetrates and am in no way tied to them.

GL with the Sienna as that is what I got as well last year.

[BHA1]

I am importing a used car that had a car loan on it when new. The owner of the car paid off the car some time ago, and the bank mailed the car owner the title.

The title is stamped "LIEN RELEASED" and the stamp shows the name of the bank.

My question:
If you look at the US Customs website, they want a "letter from the lienholder showing that the lien has been released". I know in the real world, that stamp is perfectly fine proof that the lien has been released.

To be safe, I called the bank and asked for a letter saying the lien is released. They said they couldn't provide anything more than stamping the title as that's all they do when the liens are released.

Has anyone brought a used car across with a released lien, and what did you use as proof of the released lien? Letter or just a stamp? And has anyone tried to bring one across with the stamp and been refused?

The wording on the US Customs site is similar, but here is what one car shipping company says you need to provide (note: I am driving mine back from Buffalo, not shipping it. Just wanted to show some text from a shipping company's website..)

If there is a lien holder on your vehicle, a letter from your lien holder must be provided. The letter must make reference to the year, make, model, VIN of your car, and must specifically give you authorization to ship your car to the destination country. The letter must be on the lien holders original letterhead, must be dated, signed and provide a point of contact with telephone number.

[player401]

Sorry I didn't mean to rip you up like that. But don't call me "dude".

Here you go, Transaction history for Manheim U.S auctions for the SUV you're looking for. Maybe it will help you.

Why not consider a 2007 Lexus RX350, for $18,000- $20,000 U.S? If you like this sort of vehicle?

The highlight green transactions are Cars in better than average condition meaning, no cuts, scrapes, dents, or blemishes. The cars highlighted white are average condition or less meaning all of the above. Expect a noticeable amount of blemishes.

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1898/shitboxpricego0.th.jpg (http://img11.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shitboxpricego0.jpg)

SexyblackBMW
I am interested in purchasing a SUV/CUV either Cadillac SRX, Lexus 350 or Buick Enclave with 10,000 miles (16,000 km). Can yopu provide current auction prices in US and Canada for a 2008 or 2009 vehicle?
(or recommend a alternative vehicle)

[dOOMYLEIN]

I imported a used 4Runner in October last year that was previously leased by the owner. In my case, the "Release of Liens" stamp on the Title was sufficient to clear the US customs; nobody asked me anything about a letter. I imported it through Detroit/Windsor Bridge.
I hope this helps.

I am importing a used car that had a car loan on it when new. The owner of the car paid off the car some time ago, and the bank mailed the car owner the title.

The title is stamped "LIEN RELEASED" and the stamp shows the name of the bank.

My question:
If you look at the US Customs website, they want a "letter from the lienholder showing that the lien has been released". I know in the real world, that stamp is perfectly fine proof that the lien has been released.

To be safe, I called the bank and asked for a letter saying the lien is released. They said they couldn't provide anything more than stamping the title as that's all they do when the liens are released.

Has anyone brought a used car across with a released lien, and what did you use as proof of the released lien? Letter or just a stamp? And has anyone tried to bring one across with the stamp and been refused?

The wording on the US Customs site is similar, but here is what one car shipping company says you need to provide (note: I am driving mine back from Buffalo, not shipping it. Just wanted to show some text from a shipping company's website..)

If there is a lien holder on your vehicle, a letter from your lien holder must be provided. The letter must make reference to the year, make, model, VIN of your car, and must specifically give you authorization to ship your car to the destination country. The letter must be on the lien holders original letterhead, must be dated, signed and provide a point of contact with telephone number.

[jed]

I would not count on that at all and I certainly wouldn't count on it in the US where they would probably impound the car (non resident driving without proper registration).

FWIW, several years ago I was driving my dad's car in Quebec and was stopped by SQ. My dad had forgotten to put the registration / proof of insurance in the glove box (he usually keeps it in his wallet and had told me he'd put in there but forgot) and I was given 2 tickets for failure to show proof of registration and for failure to show proof of insurance. No warning, no 48 hours to produce documents. By entering the plates, he could tell that the car was registered to my dad and plates valid (which he did since they always do that on traffic stops) and Ontario requires Insurance Policy number when you renew your plates so unless we happened to cancel our insurance after renewing the plates, it's pretty safe to assume that we did have insurance but still I got a ticket.

I'm sure chances are you'll be fine but ...

In AB, so long as your insurance is setup and valid, you have time to get your registration in order. The bill of sale and proof of insurance will get you by if you are stopped by the police. Can't say for other jurisdictions.

[doingdeal]

As I'm in Calgary and there are no US cities of consequence near me, I am willing to travel further into the US.



Did you try any dealers in Montana? try Kalispell/Big fork or buy further south and just have it shipped close to the border 750 shipping continental depending who you deal with.

[chachu]

Any one with experience of importing Cadillac Esclade from US used or new :confused:

[CalgaryJeremyK]

Search this thread as there are several Brokers that have posted as well as that were mentioned used for sourcing new Toyota vehicles. You could likely both use the same broker and possibly negotiate or lower their broker fees.

One broker I recall I called based on this thread was Fleetrates that had no issues dealing with Canadians. I did not use them since I felt there was some slight sales pressure and I would require to have the car shipped from the dealership to my choice of the border or direct to my residence.

I did not use fleetrates and am in no way tied to them.

GL with the Sienna as that is what I got as well last year.

I spent a couple of days working with FleetRates and I came away with only a marginal amount of confidence in their ability to execute a transaction. The guy I spoke with kept making mistakes, quoting round numbers and in general didn't really make me feel good about potentially doing business with them. The prices I was quoted as well weren't great (compared to what Edmunds says I should be paying - although I don't know if that is actually achievable for a Canadian or not).

Another person here recommended trying Montana dealers - I am going to give it a shot although I was really hoping to find a dealer I could fly direct from Calgary to. (The alternative is having my wife and two year old son drive down with me and then take two cars).

So again, if anybody is comfortable forwarding a contact they have dealt with at a Toyota dealership in the US that would be willing to sell to a Canadian (on pretty much the same terms and pricing as they would extend to an American), I would greatly appreciate a PM.

Thanks again,

Jeremy

[pulsar]

So again, if anybody is comfortable forwarding a contact they have dealt with at a Toyota dealership in the US that would be willing to sell to a Canadian (on pretty much the same terms and pricing as they would extend to an American), I would greatly appreciate a PM.


Unfortunately, no Toyota Dealer will sell on the same terms as being American. That is because Toyota USA rebates are NOT applicable to Canadians. Edmund's pricing applies the applicable rebates. I ended up having to purchase through an American friend who signed the bill of sale for me and then ended up "selling it to me" with a private bill of sale. Although the MCO had my friend's name on it, it did not matter with the insurance company in BC as I had the original MCO and my friend's bill of sale. Even doing it through an Amerifriend is tricky because the friend cannot purchase from within his/her state (unless it is a tax free state) PLUS he has to purchase in a state where they don't have tax agreements with the state he lives in (ie. collecting sales tax on behalf of another state).

I believe another member RJMBC (??? or something like that) opened up a business in a tax free state and purchased a couple of his vehicles that way (through this business he opened up) and then brought them up. The business end portion of it was not that expensive if I recall correctly.

Anyways good luck.

[rjmbc]

Unfortunately, no Toyota Dealer will sell on the same terms as being American. That is because Toyota USA rebates are NOT applicable to Canadians. Edmund's pricing applies the applicable rebates. I ended up having to purchase through an American friend who signed the bill of sale for me and then ended up "selling it to me" with a private bill of sale. Although the MCO had my friend's name on it, it did not matter with the insurance company in BC as I had the original MCO and my friend's bill of sale. Even doing it through an Amerifriend is tricky because the friend cannot purchase from within his/her state (unless it is a tax free state) PLUS he has to purchase in a state where they don't have tax agreements with the state he lives in (ie. collecting sales tax on behalf of another state).

I believe another member RJMBC (??? or something like that) opened up a business in a tax free state and purchased a couple of his vehicles that way (through this business he opened up) and then brought them up. The business end portion of it was not that expensive if I recall correctly.

Anyways good luck.

Anybody who is interested should PM me for the details. The system still works and there is no US Sales Tax involved. Prices are the same as they give American buyers.

[jed]

Any one with experience of importing Cadillac Esclade from US used or new :confused:


theres many peeps, me included, who have done GM's. I'd suggest roaming through this thread, doing a search, to see if your questions are answered there first.

[BAM]

How does one get around the Nissan warranty crap about having to be registered in the US for at least one day etc...

Some decent savings on a 370Z at the moment but that is mostly to do with them having a lot more stock and much more willing to deal.

[johnsa]

[QUOTE=BAM;8577483]How does one get around the Nissan warranty crap about having to be registered in the US for at least one day etc...

Some decent savings on a 370Z at the moment but that is mostly to do with them having a lot more stock and much more willing to deal.[/QUno get..ie

No way around it..the car must be used and registered in the US prior to import to Canada..period.

[chachu]

theres many peeps, me included, who have done GM's. I'd suggest roaming through this thread, doing a search, to see if your questions are answered there first.

Did try but couldnt find Esclade experience

[name2horse]

I guess buying cars from US makes more sense if our Canadian dollar keeps strong?

[GT!!]

I guess buying cars from US makes more sense if our Canadian dollar keeps strong?

You've come to that conclusion after going through 1000+ pages in this thread :razz:

-GT

[scrolllock]

One other question, has anybody here that has purchased a Toyota in the US also purchased the ECP extended warranty on their vehicle? I understand that Toyota dealers in the US are much more willing to negotiate extended warranty prices than Canadian dealers. Does the US ECP transfer to Canada without any problems?

Thanks in advance.

Toyota Canada will honor the original warranty . If you really want an extended warranty on a Toyota, ask your Canadian dealer if he will sell it to you?

I would personally wait until the dollar is back up to at least 90 cents before buying a car... just think of the savings.... otherwise I would just sit tight.

I won't buy another car in Canada until the Car Manufacturers and Government Regulators start treating Canadians fairly.

[nornet]

Did try but couldnt find Esclade experience

Search for GM, the model shouldn't matter.

[jackboot]

What is the procedure for importing a vehicle that does NOT have a title? This is not a new vehicle - it is a 1979.

It is from Georgia which does not require a title for vehicles from before 1986 (link (http://motor.etax.dor.ga.gov/motor/titles/required.asp)).

I've previously imported two vehicles with titles. I can't find any info on what to do if there is no title though. I searched but could not see that this had been asked before.

[HP_John]

Toyota Canada will honor the original warranty . If you really want an extended warranty on a Toyota, ask your Canadian dealer if he will sell it to you?

I would personally wait until the dollar is back up to at least 90 cents before buying a car... just think of the savings.... otherwise I would just sit tight.

I won't buy another car in Canada until the Car Manufacturers and Government Regulators start treating Canadians fairly.

On many Honda cars, at today's current exchange rate, the cars in the US are priced similarly to the cars in Canada.

[player401]

I am interested in purchasing a SUV/CUV either Cadillac SRX, GMC Acadia or Buick Enclave with 10,000 miles (16,000 km). Can anyone provide current auction prices in US and Canada for a 2008 or 2009 vehicle?
(or recommend a alternative vehicle).

[jed]

Search for GM, the model shouldn't matter.

It doesn't, except for maintenance, and try search using Escalade, not Esclade

[jed]

What is the procedure for importing a vehicle that does NOT have a title? This is not a new vehicle - it is a 1979.

It is from Georgia which does not require a title for vehicles from before 1986 (link (http://motor.etax.dor.ga.gov/motor/titles/required.asp)).

I've previously imported two vehicles with titles. I can't find any info on what to do if there is no title though. I searched but could not see that this had been asked before.

If it were me, I'd give a Canada Customs border station a call. They should know what to do.

[axnguyen]

It doesn't, except for maintenance, and try search using Escalade, not Esclade

:lol:

[jackboot]

If it were me, I'd give a Canada Customs border station a call. They should know what to do.

I actually tried that first. I spoke with a couple of different agents and nobody had an answer...

It seems that importing a vehicle that does not have a title (because there "is no such thing" in the state it is coming from) *must* be possible...:confused:

Anyone?

[pulsar]

What is the procedure for importing a vehicle that does NOT have a title? This is not a new vehicle - it is a 1979.

It is from Georgia which does not require a title for vehicles from before 1986

I believe it states that the Title is OPTIONAL. Thus if you are purchasing this vehicle for importation into Canada, I believe that the owner has to request a paper title from the state of Georgia.

Call the DMV in Georgia to see if this can be done and the costs for it.

Anyways, wondering what vehicle you're trying to restore/or has already been restored as I believe anything over 25years can have a collectors license plate (at least in BC).

[johnsa]

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[CalgaryJeremyK]

On many Honda cars, at today's current exchange rate, the cars in the US are priced similarly to the cars in Canada.

Some Honda cars I'm sure, but not all. In the Edmunds forums, many people have been getting the Odyssey minivans (touring, EXL) at prices that when converted to Canadian are still $5k cheaper than the best deal you're likely to get in Canada ($6,000 off MSRP with rebates and dealer discounts).

The prices might seem similar though we are getting deals that are better than we have ever had, Americans seem to still get better deals yet resulting in them paying still less than us at the current exchange rate. It's not fair to compare American MSRP to Canadian cash adjusted and discounted prices. That's why I laugh when I hear claims that Americans are now clamoring to buy our cars!

(Example, Odyssey Touring Edmunds TMV for Seattle $36,449 less $2,500 manufacturer to dealer discount = $33,949 (many people in Edmunds prices paid forums claim they have paid as little as $33,000). At 1.22 exchange = $41,417. In Canada, an Odyssey Touring is $50,950. You MIGHT be able to get as much as $6,000 off which takes you to $44,950. Toyota is the same, even at lower trim levels, price out an American LE on Edmunds optioned up to the same level as a Canadian LE and adjust for our discounts here.)

With the current exchange rate we aren't getting hosed as badly as we were before, but our dollar hasn't been worth this little since September 2005 so we were paying a LOT more for a number of years.

[HP_John]

Some Honda cars I'm sure, but not all. In the Edmunds forums, many people have been getting the Odyssey minivans (touring, EXL) at prices that when converted to Canadian are still $5k cheaper than the best deal you're likely to get in Canada ($6,000 off MSRP with rebates and dealer discounts).

The prices might seem similar though we are getting deals that are better than we have ever had, Americans seem to still get better deals yet resulting in them paying still less than us at the current exchange rate. It's not fair to compare American MSRP to Canadian cash adjusted and discounted prices. That's why I laugh when I hear claims that Americans are now clamoring to buy our cars!

(Example, Odyssey Touring Edmunds TMV for Seattle $36,449 less $2,500 manufacturer to dealer discount = $33,949 (many people in Edmunds prices paid forums claim they have paid as little as $33,000). At 1.22 exchange = $41,417. In Canada, an Odyssey Touring is $50,950. You MIGHT be able to get as much as $6,000 off which takes you to $44,950. Toyota is the same, even at lower trim levels, price out an American LE on Edmunds optioned up to the same level as a Canadian LE and adjust for our discounts here.)

With the current exchange rate we aren't getting hosed as badly as we were before, but our dollar hasn't been worth this little since September 2005 so we were paying a LOT more for a number of years.

US economy is much worse than the Cdn, that's why you see even some Honda dealers selling for below invoice. In Canada, you might get $8000 off, which would be $43000, a difference of $1500. I used to be a sales rep for Honda, it's possible to get a total of almost $8000 off the Odyssey Touring (this was back when the cash deal program was $4000, don't know if it still is $4000).

[CalgaryJeremyK]

US economy is much worse than the Cdn, that's why you see even some Honda dealers selling for below invoice. In Canada, you might get $8000 off, which would be $43000, a difference of $1500. I used to be a sales rep for Honda, it's possible to get a total of almost $8000 off the Odyssey Touring (this was back when the cash deal program was $4000, don't know if it still is $4000).

It's not. It's $3000 and even $8000 is optimistic when the rebate was $4k given that the dealer profit was $4k so they would be selling it at their cost which is pretty rare in Canada. I think $7k was likely the maximum most people received off in Canada.

It's not just Honda though, like I said look at Toyota and I'm sure it is similar with other manufactures. Very few car companies (not all though) came down to a Canadian price of less than 1.2 or 1.3 for many of their non econobox vehicles. (Lexus's RX and ES being exceptions that come to mind - These are priced more competitively).

[HP_John]

It's not. It's $3000 and even $8000 is optimistic when the rebate was $4k given that the dealer profit was $4k so they would be selling it at their cost which is pretty rare in Canada. I think $7k was likely the maximum most people received off in Canada.

It's not just Honda though, like I said look at Toyota and I'm sure it is similar with other manufactures. Very few car companies (not all though) came down to a Canadian price of less than 1.2 or 1.3 for many of their non econobox vehicles. (Lexus's RX and ES being exceptions that come to mind - These are priced more competitively).

The cash rebate used to be $4000, I guess it got changed after I stopped working for Honda. As a sales rep, we were selling cars for $200 over invoice, so $8000 off could happen. You can even see some Honda cars where based on today's exchange rate, the MSRP in Canada is actually less. Yes, American discounts from MSRP can be better, but that is at the dealer level & that is based on market conditions (eg the US is worse off than Canada right now). $200 over invoice is a great deal IMO.

[aqus]

Hi I read through many posts and I have a few questions concering private sale.
What do i need to do to make sure I just don't give money and be safe.
I found my car. I want to get it shipped to closest border since too far to pick up.
I figure seller makes a bill of sale, I send money to him through wiring or escrow service. he signs the title(hopefully) and sends it to me. i call transport company and they deliver car to destination near border crossing and then I do the rest.( I understand this part)
Wondering if I am right on the exchange of money and papers sequence to make sure I don't get stiffed.
Does anything have to come from the US DMV?
Any help please.
How have others done it which didn't drive the car back.

[StEeElNuTz]

for all the guys who bought a Nissan : Just telling you that when I bought my 350z 2008 last year, they told me the warranty will be void if I import the car in the Canada and if it didn't stay at least 6 months in the USA. Today, I checked with a manager at a Nissan dealer in Montreal and guess what ? My warranty is still valid :P

I'm really happy cause I already bought an extended warranty from the dealer in USA but it's also void and I can't get my refund because they giving me hard time (even if I have all the papers with cancellation and everything)

[diigii]

That's because instead of forwarding the warranty claim to Nissan Canada, he forwards it to Nissan USA where the car's warranty is valid.

There are still other dealerships that are willing to take your warranty jobs or service business, regardless of whether it was bought in the US.

The ones who refuse? Never take it there or they will screw around with your car and they will expect you to pay out of your pocket as payback for not buying thru them.

for all the guys who bought a Nissan : Just telling you that when I bought my 350z 2008 last year, they told me the warranty will be void if I import the car in the Canada and if it didn't stay at least 6 months in the USA. Today, I checked with a manager at a Nissan dealer in Montreal and guess what ? My warranty is still valid :P

I'm really happy cause I already bought an extended warranty from the dealer in USA but it's also void and I can't get my refund because they giving me hard time (even if I have all the papers with cancellation and everything)

[diigii]

I have another flip side to this too. A dealership in Maryland is offering to buy back my car for up to its 80% value because according to them, it's a model in great demand.

But I'm not selling. I love my car and it's almost two years too and I haven't had a single problem.

Shopper-X has a good point.

Taking the exchange rate into consideration, is a few thousand dollars in savings worth not having a warranty?

Some folks aren't comfortable with that while others rather take a risk and keep the extra coin in their pockets.

My car is now coming up to two years old and it hasn't had any warranty work whatsoever - even thought mine is still covered.

I did read that the tables are now turning and there is an increasing number of US buyers coming north to buy cars.

Natually, I will be the first to complain when I find out who's selling cars to Americans.

[03terminator]

A dealership in Maryland is offering to buy back my car for up to its 80% value

Just a marketing ploy to get you into the dealership. I have had a few of those recently.


Has anyone seen the CDN$ now 84.54, maybe we can get a roll going.

[ernestchi]

Hi, I've just started reading through this thread today and had a question regarding the invoice prices listed on Edmunds.com. I am looking to find invoice prices on a few models, so I can bring them into local canadian dealerships as a starting point for negotiations.

I was reading that often times dealerships have sheets with false invoice figures, and I want to do my research in advance. However, Edmunds is an American site. How does the invoice price listed on Edmunds translate to Canadian dealerships?

[a12288]

Has anyone seen the CDN$ now 84.54, maybe we can get a roll going.

It seems intriguing, I was looking for a Corolla, but after some research I would opt for either Forester or RAV4, they both have pros and cons, especially Forester would incur additional tariff, but its spec is really attractive.

[a in yul]

fyi

http://truecar.com/release/index.html

via lifehacker.com

[djredhat]

Importing a beautiful 335i cabrio today (her name is Cleopatra) :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Does anyone know if I can drive without a problem in Quebec with the New Jersey temporary tags until I get it registered?

Also, since Cleo is convertible, can I stick the tags on the windshield instead of the back window without getting in trouble?

My 2 cents for everyone exporting to Montreal. Since all New York and Vermont US crossing points are pain to deal with (want the title in person, 72 business hours, blah-blah), if you are willing to do a bit of detour (500km extra), you can exit through Jackman, Maine. They accept titled faxes, and you can cross 24/7. When I spoke to the agents in Jackman, they said that the rule is TITLES MUST BE ACCEPTED BY FAX and they advised me to speak with supervisor at NY/VT CBP. However, VT and NY seem to be the same as Quebec when it comes to dealing with government employees. I'll keep you posted how it goes at the Jackman border.

[a12288]

fyi

http://truecar.com/release/index.html

via lifehacker.com

cool! it definitely helps, anyone knows some similar site for Canadian market?

[killbillvol1]

Good luck with your import - were you able to get a title in your name from New Jersey?

I found out I could not if I was not a resident, but certain states (Ohio eg) gave me one even if I was a nonresident.

Importing a beautiful 335i cabrio today (her name is Cleopatra) :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Does anyone know if I can drive without a problem in Quebec with the New Jersey temporary tags until I get it registered?

Also, since Cleo is convertible, can I stick the tags on the windshield instead of the back window without getting in trouble?

My 2 cents for everyone exporting to Montreal. Since all New York and Vermont US crossing points are pain to deal with (want the title in person, 72 business hours, blah-blah), if you are willing to do a bit of detour (500km extra), you can exit through Jackman, Maine. They accept titled faxes, and you can cross 24/7. When I spoke to the agents in Jackman, they said that the rule is TITLES MUST BE ACCEPTED BY FAX and they advised me to speak with supervisor at NY/VT CBP. However, VT and NY seem to be the same as Quebec when it comes to dealing with government employees. I'll keep you posted how it goes at the Jackman border.

[surgimus]

I'm currently living in Saskatchewan, and am looking to get a G37 or 370z, or something similar in the next couple months. I've seen a few people with success bringing Nissan's over from the States. Being from Saskatchewan, which dealerships should I be approaching down in the states, and what kind of % might I expect to save by going this route, on these particular models?

[doingdeal]

I'm currently living in Saskatchewan, and am looking to get a G37 or 370z, or something similar in the next couple months. I've seen a few people with success bringing Nissan's over from the States. Being from Saskatchewan, which dealerships should I be approaching down in the states, and what kind of % might I expect to save by going this route, on these particular models?

google Mike Barney Nissan

[djredhat]

Good luck with your import - were you able to get a title in your name from New Jersey?

I found out I could not if I was not a resident, but certain states (Ohio eg) gave me one even if I was a nonresident.

Just came home after a 1000 km drive. Crossing the border at Jackman took 20 minutes. It's a small border, approx 170 km from Quebec city and 400 from Montreal. In Maine the road goes through forests an lakes, so that part was very pleasant to do - some amazing sightseeings ...

If you go through this border, make sure you don't miss the US CBP part - as soon as you see the US building, stop before it (on the left side of the road) and walk into the building.

As for the title - it was not under my name. I don't think it has to be under your name, the dealer added to the title a reassignment certificate. I had asked him to fax the title and bill of sale few days in advance. I also called the border twice to confirm that everything was OK. Note that I only paid in full at pick up (did a $500 paypal deposit before that).

Finally, since it was a bimmer, I made it clear to my dealer that I needed the recall letter. He was able to get one from a BMW dealer, but mentioned that it was very hard (like pulling teeth :))

Can't wait to pass the inspections :d

[Homeo]

^^ im guessing you paid the 6% duty, the GST, and the $244 riv fee when you crossed with the 335i. any other fees they charged you at the border?
Wondering if they still charge the 6% duty. Really hurts the deal IMO

[HP_John]

I'm currently living in Saskatchewan, and am looking to get a G37 or 370z, or something similar in the next couple months. I've seen a few people with success bringing Nissan's over from the States. Being from Saskatchewan, which dealerships should I be approaching down in the states, and what kind of % might I expect to save by going this route, on these particular models?

Expect no savings. You have to factor in the exchange rate, 6.1% duty, & then add the premium pkg & cargo net to the US G37 to give it the same equipment as the Cdn base G37.

US G37 Journey with premium pkg & cargo net (equal to base Cdn G37)
$40775 US inc destination
x 1.18349 (current exchange rate, you will have to pay 1 or 2% more than this rate when exchanging)
= $48256.69
+ 6.1% duty
= $51200.35

Cdn G37
$47025 Cdn inc freight/PDI

The Cdn G37 is currently over $4000 cheaper, plus you can finance at 2.9% up to 60 months. If you buy in the US, you must pay in full & can't finance with Infiniti & the bank will charge you a much higher rate.

[doingdeal]

buy a mazda rx 8 a few weeks ago a sacramento dealer had a going out of business sale aka bankrupt closure blew any deal I've seen yet.

[djredhat]

^^ im guessing you paid the 6% duty, the GST, and the $244 riv fee when you crossed with the 335i. any other fees they charged you at the border?
Wondering if they still charge the 6% duty. Really hurts the deal IMO

Yup, I got charged the 6.1 duty. Even with the duty in, I still paid at least $15 000 less than what I would have paid here, so I don't think this kills it.

The main point for me was that I was able to get the recall letter that will save me approx $4000 from BMW Canada.

The custom officer did not want to charge me the RIV fee, he said that I should pay it online (which I did). It's actually $220 for QC residents and $210 for the rest (I LOVE QUEBEC :mad:)

VERY IMPORTANT !!! Don't know if this has been mentioned, but when you cross the border after you have been in US for more than 48 hours, make sure to ask the agent to deduct the $400 exemption from the price before calculation duty and GST. Even better, if for some reason you stayed in the US for 1 week, you have the right of $800 exemption. It does save a couple of bucks ;)

[djredhat]

Does anyone know a good place that makes custom license plates? Want to get Cleo's name graved in the front :D

[johnsa]

Yup, I got charged the 6.1 duty. Even with the duty in, I still paid at least $15 000 less than what I would have paid here, so I don't think this kills it.

The main point for me was that I was able to get the recall letter that will save me approx $4000 from BMW Canada.

The custom officer did not want to charge me the RIV fee, he said that I should pay it online (which I did). It's actually $220 for QC residents and $210 for the rest (I LOVE QUEBEC :mad:)

VERY IMPORTANT !!! Don't know if this has been mentioned, but when you cross the border after you have been in US for more than 48 hours, make sure to ask the agent to deduct the $400 exemption from the price before calculation duty and GST. Even better, if for some reason you stayed in the US for 1 week, you have the right of $800 exemption. It does save a couple of bucks ;)

They may have changed this, but don't you need the recall letter AND a letter from BMW Canada stating that it meets Cdn requirements?? Perhaps I am thinking of Mercedes

[shopper-X]

They may have changed this, but don't you need the recall letter AND a letter from BMW Canada stating that it meets Cdn requirements?? Perhaps I am thinking of Mercedes

BMW: http://crm.bmw.ca/content/pressReleases/images/en/h1_car_ad.gif (http://crm.bmw.ca/content/pressReleases/car_admission_fs.asp?lang=en)


Step 1: Vehicle Inspection and Modifications to Daytime Running Lights
Vehicles built for the U.S. market comply with the safety and emissions standards for the United States which has different regulations relating to daytime running lights. Therefore, the necessary modifications must be completed by an authorized BMW Retailer in Canada as they have been provided the exact modifications necessary to meet Transport Canada's requirements.
Recently, both BMW Group Canada and Transport Canada have discovered compliance issues with the activation of daytime running lights for U.S. specification vehicles. Daytime Running Lights are a Federal Government regulatory requirement. In order to comply with Transport Canada CMVSS 108, daytime running lights must be activated properly and permanently to be in compliance with the law. The activation varies from simple programming to having an instrument cluster or other components replaced. The daytime running lights have to be on at all times and there should be no ability for the vehicle user to turn them off at will while the vehicle is being driven. The only exception under the explicit compliance conditions is when the vehicle is not being driven.
Canadian specification vehicles are built with a kilometer only instrument cluster, which is written into the Vehicle Order that determines how all control units fitted to a vehicle interact. In certain vehicles, the instrument cluster is the "fingerprint" of the vehicle and must be replaced to ensure compliance. The cost of these modifications may range from several hundred dollars to several thousand dollars depending on the year and model of your BMW. Please ask your BMW Retailer for an estimate.

Step 2: Recall Clearance Letter
Your local BMW Retailer in Canada will conduct a visual inspection of the vehicle to ensure all VIN plates are intact and obtain a Car Fax report to check the vehicle's history. The Retailer will check the recall history and complete any recalls that are required. BMW Group Canada will enter the VIN into our database and validate the warranty where applicable. BMW Group Canada will only issue an official recall clearance letter once this process has been completed and documented by an authorized Canadian BMW Retailer. Please note the approximate timeframe for obtaining the Recall Clearance Letter is 7-10 business days and there is an administrative fee of $500 plus applicable taxes for this process.
** Please note that all US BMW Vehicles are admissible into Canada and do not require a Letter of admissibility at border crossing.**

[djredhat]

BMW: http://crm.bmw.ca/content/pressReleases/images/en/h1_car_ad.gif (http://crm.bmw.ca/content/pressReleases/car_admission_fs.asp?lang=en)

Yeah, but that's from their website. Trying to scare people. RIV's website states:
http://www.riv.ca/english/html/recall_clearance.html

There are three types of recall clearance information acceptable to RIV:

* A letter from the manufacturer’s U.S. or Canadian head office, written on company letterhead, stating clearly that there are no outstanding recalls for the vehicle. This letter must be dated and duly signed by an authorized employee of the manufacturer, along with his/her name and position within the company. The letter must include the vehicle identification number, make, model and model year. If the manufacturer's logo does not appear on the letter, it will not be accepted. RIV routinely forwards a copy of these letters to the manufacturer for authentication.
* A printout from an American or Canadian dealership’s vehicle service database. This document must be produced by an authorized dealer and not a reseller. You can confirm whether or not a dealership is authorized by visiting the manufacturer’s web site or by calling the manufacturer’s head office and providing them with the location of the dealership in question. The printout must also contain the 17-digit vehicle identification number, year, make and model of the vehicle and with no indication of an outstanding recall. RIV routinely forwards copies of these printouts to the manufacturer for authentication.
* Some manufacturers make their recall information available on their public web sites; if this is the case, RIV will verify the information and release the inspection form.


I have provided the letter to RIV and called to confirm. They said it's been imaged, so I guess that's a good sign. I guess they might ask me to fix the DRLs, which is a $200-$300 modification (without changing the cluster).

Wait, BMW will not honor the warranty. I am sooooo scared. LOL, who gives a ****, Cleo already has 50k miles on it and is out of warranty anyway :D:D:D

[lsafrany]

I have provided the letter to RIV and called to confirm. They said it's been imaged, so I guess that's a good sign. I guess they might ask me to fix the DRLs, which is a $200-$300 modification (without changing the cluster).


I am planning on importing a 2007 335i as well (smokin' deal), from what I have read, you want to do the DTRL in the states at a US BMW dealer as it requires re-programming that BMW Canada will not do - they will want to swap the dash. Of course you can always hard-wire the lights some other way....

L.

[djredhat]

I am planning on importing a 2007 335i as well (smokin' deal), from what I have read, you want to do the DTRL in the states at a US BMW dealer as it requires re-programming that BMW Canada will not do - they will want to swap the dash. Of course you can always hard-wire the lights some other way....

L.

wire, then unwire ;)

[doingdeal]

Another nissan place that sells is

route22nissan

anyone have a list of dealers that will deal with canadians lol.

[johnsa]

once it hits 1.15 I will begin making offers on some vehicles...our lease comes due in SEPT!!!

[rbsx]

Jeeze I'm trying to find a decent 2002 RSX.

Does anyone know how difficult it is for an American who's moving here to bring a recently purchased car across the border?

My girlfriend just got her permanent residency status and I'm thinking about putting the car in her name.

[doingdeal]

I got quoted by a dealer $20,050 u.s otl for a new 2008 Nissan Quest S, not bad but our loonie is still pretty low. Not sure if I should buy now or wait till the end of summer when NissanUSA brings out there massive cashback incentives and pick up a 2009 model instead.

[maurice t]

Has anyone imported a Mazda5 ? If so, was it a good experience and cost savings.

[03terminator]

Has anyone imported a Mazda5 ? If so, was it a good experience and cost savings.

I imported a Mazda mx-5 and saved over 12gs, my parents wanted a Mazda5, last year it was not worth it. You would have saved 2-3 grand at best. The CDN$ is lower now. The savings is too small, but if you can find a great deal in the US, you might get the savings up to 4-5gs. You do have 6.1% duty as well as currency exchange. With the Mazda5, Canadian models do not compare directly with the US ones, features are not equal. That makes it tougher and misleading when comparison shopping.

They ended up buying new in Canada.

[jnmontario]

Has anyone imported a Mazda5 ? If so, was it a good experience and cost savings.

At the current dollar exchange rate it's mostly the 'premium' vehicles that you are saving big bucks on. Also, generally, on Honda/Toyota products iMHO.

[doingdeal]

how about a suzuki xl7 26k stateside 38k in canada pretty big price difference.

quoted at 14k out the lot for a 2008 with 2340 miles luxury edition state side. anyone ever driven one or own one? Don't have a local suzuki dealer to test drive one lol.

[vipt2000]

how about a suzuki xl7 26k stateside 38k in canada pretty big price difference.

quoted at 14k out the lot for a 2008 with 2340 miles luxury edition state side. anyone ever driven one or own one? Don't have a local suzuki dealer to test drive one lol.

I wonder about this too. You can get an almost new 2008 Suzuki Grand Vitara or slightly used 2008 XL7 for the same price as 2009 Honda civic.

I have asked in the Automotive forum but so far not a lot of feedbacks:
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=732766

Anyone??? Is Suzuki that low on everyone list?

[03terminator]

how about a suzuki xl7 26k stateside 38k in canada pretty big price difference.

quoted at 14k out the lot for a 2008 with 2340 miles luxury edition state side. anyone ever driven one or own one? Don't have a local suzuki dealer to test drive one lol.

Its an Equinox with a Japanese built GM engine. The 38k Canadian model matches up to the 30k US model. The US has many more models including 2wd versions. Watch the model to model comparison. Built in Canada.

[doingdeal]

I think its worth getting a new 2008 limited edition at 18k-20k US they have a $6k cash back for a 2008 models xl7 limited.

[nasatwoburn]

Hi,
Could someone give me some good dealers that will sell to Canadians? I'm looking to buy 2006+ bmw 3 series. Thanks.

[michelb]

Hi,
Could someone give me some good dealers that will sell to Canadians? I'm looking to buy 2006+ bmw 3 series. Thanks.

Any US dealer will sell you a used car. It's with some of the new manufacturers that there are issues.

[03terminator]

I think its worth getting a new 2008 limited edition at 18k-20k US they have a $6k cash back for a 2008 models xl7 limited.

Could be a good deal.
Check that you can buy new in the US and that if you are exporting you get the cash back. Usually not, but you never know. I am not familiar with Suzuki policy. Canada only sells the top model.

The C$ is up huge in the last two weeks, we are up to $86.27 today. Let's hope it keeps going.

I went by a border CDN Tire and there were a load of Nissan Trucks and Mitsubishi Eclipse Spyders in for RIV inspection.

[doingdeal]

I have a dual citizenship american/canadian I have an address stateside. for a cashback does it have to be american citizen or have an american address? I would like to purchase a vehicle using my american address but with my canadian citizenship that way I don't have to get taxed on the purchase is this possible?

[03terminator]

Suzuki xl7 is the same as Torrent and Equinox, they are up to 10 grand off now in Canada

[doingdeal]

they have a 7 seater? I need a 6-8 seater vehicle lol. oh by the way I just have to provide my state address and use my canadian citizenship to qualify for the cash back and no tax according to a california dealer awesome...

[johnsa]

only the XL 7 is a 7 seater..had a look at one...build quality�fit and finish is pretty low..ie when you flip the 3rd seat forward for access it is very awkward and flimsy..I could literally break it off with little effort...also no leg room in very rear except maybe a 5 yr old with a 5 yr old sitting directly in front of him�or her.

[03terminator]

they have a 7 seater? I need a 6-8 seater vehicle lol. oh by the way I just have to provide my state address and use my canadian citizenship to qualify for the cash back and no tax according to a california dealer awesome...
If you take delivery in California you pay state tax. If you professionally ship or take delivery over the border, no state tax.

The 2010 version if the theta platform (Torrent, Equinox, xl7) will get a major change to chassis and engine. Thats why they are heavily discounting the gm ones.

The Honda Pilot is far superior in this category.

[johnsa]

If you take delivery in California you pay state tax. If you professionally ship or take delivery over the border, no state tax.

The 2010 version if the theta platform (Torrent, Equinox, xl7) will get a major change to chassis and engine. Thats why they are heavily discounting the gm ones.

The Honda Pilot is far superior in this category.

Hence Suzuki's dropping the model ..no word of replacement yet..

[jed]

If you take delivery in California you pay state tax. If you professionally ship or take delivery over the border, no state tax.

The 2010 version if the theta platform (Torrent, Equinox, xl7) will get a major change to chassis and engine. Thats why they are heavily discounting the gm ones.

The Honda Pilot is far superior in this category.

Isn't a Pilot more aimed to a Traverse category?

[iamfob]

anyone imported a salvaged or rebuilt title US cars to Canada?

i assume the title will still be salvage/rebuilt in title after you do all the modifications and pass the safety and e-test?

[djredhat]

Cleo is now officially Quebecoise :D

Passed inspections like a charm. No changes required. The only thing is that SAAQ made me pay the provincial sales tax on their reserved price, which was $10 000 more, so I ended up paying $750 more :mad::mad::mad:

Question: Is it normal that SAAQ took the title? Weren't they supposed to give it back to me?

[michelb]

anyone imported a salvaged or rebuilt title US cars to Canada?

i assume the title will still be salvage/rebuilt in title after you do all the modifications and pass the safety and e-test?

I believe you can't do it in Ontario if you want to drive the vehicle on the road (I think it says somewhere on the MTO site that salvage vehicles can only be imported at 'parts only') (You can do it in Quebec though (and I think you might even 'lose' the branding that way ...))

-- update --

Looks like I was wrong (or they changed the policy) for Ontario; from http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/branding/faq.shtml#vehicle13b:

1. My vehicle has a brand in another jurisdiction. Now I want to register it in Ontario. What will happen?
Vehicle brand information from other Canadian or US jurisdictions will be carried forward when these vehicles are registered in Ontario with the exception of the "Rebuilt" brand. Imported vehicles with a Rebuilt designation or its equivalent from other Canadian or US jurisdictions will be registered as "Salvage" in Ontario thus requiring them to undergo a structural inspection to ensure that the vehicle has been properly repaired before being branded as "Rebuilt" in Ontario.


So you can import but you'll have to get inspection done before it can be on the road (looks pretty significant but I've never done it)

[perfchris]

When Quebec issues the registration paper, it acts as the new title. Thus, they keep the title from the US. When you sell the car, the Quebec paper is used as the new title. You can always keep a photocopy if you like.


Cleo is now officially Quebecoise :D

Passed inspections like a charm. No changes required. The only thing is that SAAQ made me pay the provincial sales tax on their reserved price, which was $10 000 more, so I ended up paying $750 more :mad::mad::mad:

Question: Is it normal that SAAQ took the title? Weren't they supposed to give it back to me?

[Jin]

Has anyone imported a 2009 Honda Odyssey? Are a lot of modifications necessary and how much do they cost?

[HP_John]

Has anyone imported a 2009 Honda Odyssey? Are a lot of modifications necessary and how much do they cost?

Are you sure you're saving $? Make sure you're comparing trim levels with similar equipment, then see what exchange rate your bank will give you (they will make some profit on the exchange obviously). Then factor in that Cdn buyers in Canada get a cash deal credit (if you're buying in the US, as a Cdn, you'll have to pay for the full amount upfront). Also add in the fact you should be able to get a 09 Odyssey in Canada for a few hundred above invoice ("dealer cost"). Lastly, add in the fact your imported 09 Odyssey won't be covered under warranty (Honda doesn't honor warranty on imports).

I'd bet you'll find it probably isn't worth it to try to import a 09 Odyssey.

[johnsa]

Are you sure you're saving $? Make sure you're comparing trim levels with similar equipment, then see what exchange rate your bank will give you (they will make some profit on the exchange obviously). Then factor in that Cdn buyers in Canada get a cash deal credit (if you're buying in the US, as a Cdn, you'll have to pay for the full amount upfront). Also add in the fact you should be able to get a 09 Odyssey in Canada for a few hundred above invoice ("dealer cost"). Lastly, add in the fact your imported 09 Odyssey won't be covered under warranty (Honda doesn't honor warranty on imports).

I'd bet you'll find it probably isn't worth it to try to import a 09 Odyssey.


+1..

Now..If you are looking at an 08 EXL with 8-10k miles for 25K US..you might have something to consider...

[cfcheong]

+1..

Now..If you are looking at an 08 EXL with 8-10k miles for 25K US..you might have something to consider...

With today's exchange rate, you can still save around 5-6k OTR on a new 09 EXL for example. However, you may not be able to purchase one easily. I have emailed a few dealers in NY state and they won't be able to sell us the vehicle as they're banned by American Honda. IMO, I think it still make sense to import a Odyssey even there's no warranty. I owned few hondas before and there's no major problem during the warranty period.

[rgc97]

Are you sure you're saving $? Make sure you're comparing trim levels with similar equipment, then see what exchange rate your bank will give you (they will make some profit on the exchange obviously). Then factor in that Cdn buyers in Canada get a cash deal credit (if you're buying in the US, as a Cdn, you'll have to pay for the full amount upfront). Also add in the fact you should be able to get a 09 Odyssey in Canada for a few hundred above invoice ("dealer cost"). Lastly, add in the fact your imported 09 Odyssey won't be covered under warranty (Honda doesn't honor warranty on imports).

I'd bet you'll find it probably isn't worth it to try to import a 09 Odyssey.


Met someone last week who just got a loaded Odyssey here in Ontario. Said he got it for over $8K off list, for paying cash rather than taking the zero interest loan. Told me his total savings, including taxes, amounted to $10K. He's very happy!

[BRAISKI]

Has anyone tried buying a BMW in the US?

[cfcheong]

Met someone last week who just got a loaded Odyssey here in Ontario. Said he got it for over $8K off list, for paying cash rather than taking the zero interest loan. Told me his total savings, including taxes, amounted to $10K. He's very happy!

can you please get more details from your friend? Where did he/she get that and which model? Thanks in advance.

[Jin]

Met someone last week who just got a loaded Odyssey here in Ontario. Said he got it for over $8K off list, for paying cash rather than taking the zero interest loan. Told me his total savings, including taxes, amounted to $10K. He's very happy!

I'd certainly be interested in that. Please provide more details if you can.

As it stands right now, I can get my cousin to buy me a new 2009 Touring w/o Pax for ~ $32K in Oregon.

32K x 1.17 (f/x) * 1.065 (duty) = ~$40K

Don't know the cost of warranty or conversion though.

[Danno2005]

I'd certainly be interested in that. Please provide more details if you can.

As it stands right now, I can get my cousin to buy me a new 2009 Touring w/o Pax for ~ $32K in Oregon.

32K x 1.17 (f/x) * 1.065 (duty) = ~$40K

Don't know the cost of warranty or conversion though.

No duty if it is made in Alabama.

[chowder]

i'm in vancouver. i have up to 20k to spend on a Toyota Tacoma. What is the best way to go about this? I don't mind used or newer, is there a big savings going down to the states?

[HP_John]

With today's exchange rate, you can still save around 5-6k OTR on a new 09 EXL for example. However, you may not be able to purchase one easily. I have emailed a few dealers in NY state and they won't be able to sell us the vehicle as they're banned by American Honda. IMO, I think it still make sense to import a Odyssey even there's no warranty. I owned few hondas before and there's no major problem during the warranty period.

According to Edmunds.com, people in Buffalo are buying the Odyssey at below invoice:

US $29,137 inc destination ($1600 below invoice)
x 1.18 (current rate is 1.16, banks charge 1.18)
= $34,382

People in Toronto are getting the Odyssey at $200 above invoice:

Canada $39,357 inc freight/PDI (approx $200 over invoice)

The cash deal credit was $4,000 in March (I believe it may be more now), applied before taxes

$39,357
-$4,000
= $35,357

So for a difference of about $1,000 before taxes, you get a warranty, well worth it IMO.

[Jin]

The cash deal credit was $4,000 in March (I believe it may be more now), applied before taxes


Actually the cash credit has been reduced to $3,000 but your point still stands.

[rgc97]

can you please get more details from your friend? Where did he/she get that and which model? Thanks in advance.

E-mailed him for more info, and he replied: "I got it from Barrie Honda, however the super happy hour pricing was an associate deal as my brother works for Honda. Sounds like anyone can get the $3000 off for a cash purchase but I get a few other discounts which brought the total savings to near 10Gs."

He's including PST/GST savings in his calculations.

So not everyone will get such a great deal, unless they have a relative working for Honda.

[nornet]

Has anyone tried buying a BMW in the US?

There are 350 messages in this thread on BMWs most of which probably relate to importing them.

[ecgz88]

New re-design Odyssey will be launched soon, donot buy now :D


According to Edmunds.com, people in Buffalo are buying the Odyssey at below invoice:

US $29,137 inc destination ($1600 below invoice)
x 1.18 (current rate is 1.16, banks charge 1.18)
= $34,382

People in Toronto are getting the Odyssey at $200 above invoice:

Canada $39,357 inc freight/PDI (approx $200 over invoice)

The cash deal credit was $4,000 in March (I believe it may be more now), applied before taxes

$39,357
-$4,000
= $35,357

So for a difference of about $1,000 before taxes, you get a warranty, well worth it IMO.

[chene]

hi all,

I'm seriously considering buying a Tribeca from the US. I'm located in Kingston/Ontario, so I can go to either Watertown, Syracuse, or Rochester to get the car.

Can someone please give me an idea of what kind of pricing I can get from a US dealer, given's today's economy situation. Yes I have visited cars101.com to get invoice/msrp; but I was wondering if there is any deal who is willing to sell close (or perhaps below) invoice.

My understanding is that the Subaru's incentive is not applicable to cars to be exported to Canada.

Any help is very much appreciated,

[johnsa]

hi all,

I'm seriously considering buying a Tribeca from the US. I'm located in Kingston/Ontario, so I can go to either Watertown, Syracuse, or Rochester to get the car.

Can someone please give me an idea of what kind of pricing I can get from a US dealer, given's today's economy situation. Yes I have visited cars101.com to get invoice/msrp; but I was wondering if there is any deal who is willing to sell close (or perhaps below) invoice.

My understanding is that the Subaru's incentive is not applicable to cars to be exported to Canada.

Any help is very much appreciated,

No rebate for us..consider a used 2009..limiteds with 9-10k miles going for 23k USD..

[wackojacko]

hi all,

I'm seriously considering buying a Tribeca from the US. I'm located in Kingston/Ontario, so I can go to either Watertown, Syracuse, or Rochester to get the car.

Can someone please give me an idea of what kind of pricing I can get from a US dealer, given's today's economy situation. Yes I have visited cars101.com to get invoice/msrp; but I was wondering if there is any deal who is willing to sell close (or perhaps below) invoice.

My understanding is that the Subaru's incentive is not applicable to cars to be exported to Canada.

Any help is very much appreciated,

Bought my 08 Tribeca new in Jan 08, from Van Bortel Subaru south of Rochester. Karl is easy to deal with. They DO NOT negotiate. Their pricing is good though.

www.buildyourownsubaru.com

The price on the site is what you pay.

[skads_187]

i havent read through all these pages, theirs too many, however, i have nothing against buying from the US, I almost thought of doing it myself, however, I do notice that here in mtl, the used cars that are for sale that are from the US are extremely, extremely hard to sell. so the resale factor plays a big part.
most people automatically think that if its coming from the US, its VGA ( this is not how i think btw, just stating what ive heard from others)

[chene]

No rebate for us..consider a used 2009..limiteds with 9-10k miles going for 23k USD..

I have never bought an used car, let along from the us. If you don't mind, can you please elaborate (either publically or PM) please.

thanks,

[irish80ca]

Would anyone here know much about importing old cars? I seen a really nice 1969 Chevrolet Nova in the United States I'd love to get my hands on but wouldn't know how to deal with importing it.

Thanks

[johnsa]

I have never bought an used car, let along from the us. If you don't mind, can you please elaborate (either publically or PM) please.

thanks,

I am talking about used 2009 from a Subaru dealer only 8-10k miles ..it will be a short term rental and "Subaru Certified Used"...search on autotrader.com..there are tons in NY state,Connecticut,Penn,etc...I need a 7 psg which lists for about 23k for Limited..the 5 passengers are a bit cheaper


The only thing holding me back is space vs a minivan (we now have a Quest)..with 3 kids ages 5,11,14 the Tribeca 3rd row is a bit tight...but what a vehicle for the price!!!

P.S. there are more 2008s available than 2009s but they they are priced pretty much the same..so search for/hold out for a 2009!!!

[djredhat]

When Quebec issues the registration paper, it acts as the new title. Thus, they keep the title from the US. When you sell the car, the Quebec paper is used as the new title. You can always keep a photocopy if you like.

Thanks!

[michelb]

Would anyone here know much about importing old cars? I seen a really nice 1969 Chevrolet Nova in the United States I'd love to get my hands on but wouldn't know how to deal with importing it.

Thanks

Double check with RIV but I believe you can import ANY car from the US if it's 15 years old or more without any modifications.

You might not have to pay the $200 or so to get into the RIV program either. You'll still pay GST&PST (and probably duty).

[irish80ca]

Double check with RIV but I believe you can import ANY car from the US if it's 15 years old or more without any modifications.

You might not have to pay the $200 or so to get into the RIV program either. You'll still pay GST&PST (and probably duty).


Great. Thank you. I'll check that out.

[kplange]

Double check with RIV but I believe you can import ANY car from the US if it's 15 years old or more without any modifications.

You might not have to pay the $200 or so to get into the RIV program either. You'll still pay GST&PST (and probably duty).

I have imported a few older vehicles. There is no duty on these cars. It's as simple as bringing back groceries. Pay the GST and $100 if the car has A/C. PST will be due upon registering. RIV does not factor into vehicles over 15 years old.

[not4sale]

what about plates and insurance for these 15+ yr old cars? I assume I can't just go South drive a car back...or can I...

[ppan]

I moved back to Toronto from the states recently. I have a 2003 Nissan Pathfinder with US plate. When I crossed the boarder I told the officer that I'm not importing this car, instead I'll be going back to US and sell it. They let me in. Now I have two options: going back to US sell the car or selling it here in Canada. My time is limited so I want to choose the least troublesome option. If I can sell the car in Canada without driving it back to US this will be ideal for me. Does anyone know it is possible?

[michelb]

I moved back to Toronto from the states recently. I have a 2003 Nissan Pathfinder with US plate. When I crossed the boarder I told the officer that I'm not importing this car, instead I'll be going back to US and sell it. They let me in. Now I have two options: going back to US sell the car or selling it here in Canada. My time is limited so I want to choose the least troublesome option. If I can sell the car in Canada without driving it back to US this will be ideal for me. Does anyone know it is possible?

Cool that you were allowed to drive it into Canada; I recently asked and they said that I couldn't (although looking at it now, it says 'rental' at a few places so maybe I was given the wrong information (I specifically asked about a vehicle that we own that's registered in the US, not a rental ...):

We regret to inform you that only U.S. residents are permitted to drive a U.S.-registered vehicle in Canada. Canadian residents cannot bring a U.S. rental vehicle into Canada.

Under the Temporary Importation of Conveyances by Residents of Canada Regulations (see Memorandum D2-4-1 at http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/dm-md/d2/d2-4-1-eng.html ), a conveyance may be imported temporarily by a resident in the following cases:

- For personal transportation only from the point of arrival to a specified destination in Canada when the purpose of importation is to transport personally owned goods into or out of Canada. Return must be within 30 days.

- When authorized by a customs inspector in instances where a resident is required, due to unforeseen circumstances or emergency reasons, to utilize a conveyance on which duties have not been paid for personal transportation to reach a specified destination in Canada and return.

Under no circumstances are conveyances admissible under these regulations for touring purposes or for leisure activities in Canada, nor is any local use permitted (e.g., point-to-point movement in Canada).

In addition, the Motor Vehicle Safety Act does not exempt the temporary importation of vehicles by residents from the requirement to register the vehicle in the Registrar of Imported Vehicles (RIV) Program and meet all other requirements of the RIV Program. As such, the rental vehicle can be imported only if the vehicle enters the RIV Program and all appropriate fees and taxes are paid.

We trust that you find this information helpful. Thank you for contacting the Canada Border Services Agency.

Internet: www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca
E-mail: cbsa-asfc@canada.gc.ca

Canada Border Services Agency
Ottawa, ON K1A 0L8

Government of Canada | Gouvernement du Canada


Could be that since you were living in the US, they considered you still a US resident.

In any case, now that it's here, you shouldn't have any problems selling it although it will have to be imported once you sell it and someone will pay PST&GST (and duty if not built NorthAmerica).

[ppan]

In any case, now that it's here, you shouldn't have any problems selling it although it will have to be imported once you sell it and someone will pay PST&GST (and duty if not built NorthAmerica).

I think the car is built in Japan. How do they calculate the duty - Based on the current market value or the the value of the new car(back to 2003)?

[michelb]

I think the car is built in Japan. How do they calculate the duty - Based on the current market value or the the value of the new car(back to 2003)?

If you were importing it for your own use, it would be on market value but if you were a US resident and are returning to Canada, I believe you get the first $10k tax free. If someone is buying it, the amount will be off the purchase price (6.1%).

You might want to confirm about the $10k exemption and see if you can still get it and if so, it might be worth importing in your name first anyway (and then it doesn't have to be imported when you sell it and your buyer won't have to pay GST). Otherwise, you can just mention to the buyer that you'll take care of importing it (I think having to import it, would scare a lot of them away) but it might be easier to sell if it's already been imported.

[ppan]

You might want to confirm about the $10k exemption and see if you can still get it and if so, it might be worth importing in your name first anyway (and then it doesn't have to be imported when you sell it and your buyer won't have to pay GST). Otherwise, you can just mention to the buyer that you'll take care of importing it (I think having to import it, would scare a lot of them away) but it might be easier to sell if it's already been imported.
Thanks for your good advice. So I can complete the importing process without traveling back to US? I've read somewhere you need to "export" it out of US first.

[michelb]

Thanks for your good advice. So I can complete the importing process without traveling back to US? I've read somewhere you need to "export" it out of US first.

Sorry if I wasn't clear but I do think you need to go to the border to import. You might be able to get away from exporting it from the US (although I don't really think there's any benefit to doing this) but you'll still need to import it into Canada before you can sell or register in Canada and I believe you can only do this at the border. My point was just to find out if it's better for you to import now in your name or just do it later in the buyers name (you'll have to get more information from Canadian Border on the process to do that - I know that you can import a vehicle for someone else but I'm not sure what documentation you'll need).

[rgc97]

Sorry if I wasn't clear but I do think you need to go to the border to import. You might be able to get away from exporting it from the US (although I don't really think there's any benefit to doing this) but you'll still need to import it into Canada before you can sell or register in Canada and I believe you can only do this at the border. My point was just to find out if it's better for you to import now in your name or just do it later in the buyers name (you'll have to get more information from Canadian Border on the process to do that - I know that you can import a vehicle for someone else but I'm not sure what documentation you'll need).

Yes. These are 2 separate processes. US wants you to Export the vehicle (required, and you ignore this at your own peril -- what if US Customs 'discovers' an unexported car coming back into the US?). Canada requires you to import. Two separate steps, and 2 different groups involved. I exported my US vehicle thru US Customs @ Lewiston and imported thru Canadian Customs at Queenston (just across the bridge). There are lots of other border crossings that allow for exporting -- they all require paperwork 72 hours in advance (many will accept a fax; some want the original). You'll find the process well documented in this forum.

[DrXenon]

With the recent strength in the Canadian dollar, used 2008 Volkswagen GTIs are cheaper in the USA than they are in Toronto. (Actually, you can't find them in Toronto these days.)

Does anyone know what the validity of US CPO Volkswagen warranties on a 2008 model is? (I am aware that the new car warranty on 2009 models is invalid in Canada.)

[doingdeal]

canadian currency is pretty good right now it may actually be worth buying stateside, some dealers are so desperate selling vehicles at really low price.

[Cars4Canadians]

What really pisses me off is how the idiotic Canadian government gives money to these Car companies, but does not ask from them to be fair in regards to pricing. When the dollar was 1:1, we were being raped here....... and now these stinking car companies want money from us to help them survive?

[a12288]

Any one knows Toyota dealers at States (FL would be preferred) would like to sell new cars (RAV4) to Canadian resident? made quite a few contacts without luck.

or I would have to switch to Subaru Forester.

[michelb]

Any one knows Toyota dealers at States (FL would be preferred) would like to sell new cars (RAV4) to Canadian resident? made quite a few contacts without luck.

or I would have to switch to Subaru Forester.

I don't think much has changed with Toyota dealers so it's very hard to find one that will sell new to Canadians. You're probably better off going through a broker.

Also Florida might not be the a good place to buy. From what I've been told, you have to get the vehicle delivered out of state otherwise they have to charge you the sales tax.

[starR]

CAD approaching 0.90USD

time to turn on the heat on looking for a vehicle.

[Scotty70]

Any one knows Toyota dealers at States (FL would be preferred) would like to sell new cars (RAV4) to Canadian resident? made quite a few contacts without luck.

or I would have to switch to Subaru Forester.

I have found a dealer who says he has a way to sell to me. I am looking for a new Highlander Hybrid. I will keep you posted. I am supposed to be receiving some pricing tomorrow.

[cinqhoda]

Any one knows Toyota dealers at States (FL would be preferred) would like to sell new cars (RAV4) to Canadian resident? made quite a few contacts without luck.

or I would have to switch to Subaru Forester.

If you do decide to import a RAV4, be sure to keep in mind that some are now built in Canada. Try to get one with a VIN that starts with a "2" (no duty). If you get one with a VIN that starts with a "J" (made in Japan) you will have to pay 6.1% duty on the Canadian Dollar value of the vehicle.

Good Luck!

[ZeRoMaX]

Does anyone know if there are dealers on the canadian side that would import cars and take trade in on vehicles?

[Scotty70]

I have found a dealer who says he has a way to sell to me. I am looking for a new Highlander Hybrid. I will keep you posted. I am supposed to be receiving some pricing tomorrow.

Well the pricing arrive today, as promised. Here it is - any comments or has anyone done better lately?

Here is and invoice for a new 2009 Highlander Hybrid Limited without Navigation or DVD player.

Our price is $41,200 including our discount and the May rebate from Toyota. MSRP $44,200.

Please let me know if you need anything else.



18186 VEHICLE INQUIRY REPORT

Model Description: HYBRD V6 4WD LTD Category ..........: G
Year ............: 2009 Current Dealer ....:
Interior Color ..: LB10 LB10 Wholesale Dealer ..:
Exterior Color ..: 06T7 CYPRE Previous Dealer ...:
Body ............: HYBRID 4WD-i V6 SUV Invoice Date ......: 01/12/09
Number of Cyl ...: 6 Ship Date .........:
Allocation Number: Retail Date .......:
Engine Number ...: Date of First Use .:
Vessel Number ...: TRAC ..............: NO
Vessel Name .....: Damage .....: NO DAMAGE
PDI ...............: YES
Fleet .............: NON-FLEET
Port PDS Complete .: NO

VIN .............: JTEEW
Ignition Key.....: 4

Factory Installed Accessories: FE EJ PN QD
Port Installed Accessories ..: CT

Retail
Vehicle Base Model ....................: $ 41020.00
Total Accessories .....................: $ 2435.00

MECHANICAL & PERFORMANCE
Hybrid Synergy Drive System
3.3L V6 Eng w/VVT-i w/EV Mode, ECON Mode
Elec Contr Continuously Variable Trans
Electronic Power Steering System
4WD w/Intelligence /4-whl Ind Suspension
4Whl Pwr Ast Vent Fr/Solid Rr Disc Brake
Hill-Start Assist Control / Tow Prep Pkg
19" 10-Spoke Alloy Wheels/245/55R19Tires
SAFETY
Star Safety System w/VDIM Includes:
Veh Stability Ctrl w/TRAC
Anti-Lock Brakes w/Brake Assist & EBD
Dr & Fr Pass Advanced Front Airbags,
Driver Knee Airbag, Dr & Fr Pass Seat
Mounted Side Airbags,3 Row Roll-Sensing
Side Curtain Airbags / Daytime Run Light
Dr & Fr Pass Active Headrests
Direct Tire Pressure Monitoring System
EXTERIOR
Color-Keyed Bumpers/Foldable Pwr Htd
Mirr/Sp Sty Rear Spoiler/Chrome Dr Hdles
Slvr Painted Grille/Rr License Garnish
Roof Rails / Rr Step Bumper Lower Cvrs
Fog Lamps / Blue Tint Hdl/Tail Lens
Fr Variable & Rr Intermittent Wipers
In-Glass Antenna / Rr Privacy Glass
Multi-Reflector Auto-on/off Headlamps
COMFORT AND CONVENIENCE
Front Air Conditioner w/Clean Air Filter
Rr Back-up Camera w/Multi Func Display
AM/FM/6-Disc InDash CD Chgr/XM Satellite
Capable/Antenna (Requires XM Receiver)
Pwr Windows,Dr Locks,Rr Door/Cruise Ctl
Smart Entry System / Conversation Mirror
Tilt/Tlscopic Lthr Strg Whl, Audio Ctrls
Lthr Pwr Htd 10way Frt Dr/4way Pass,
40/20/40 Splt 2nd Row Seat,w/Fold-Flat,
Recline, Fore & Aft Slide Adj & Rt-Hand
Walk-in Function + Center Stow Seat &
Center Stow Console, Vinyl 3rd Row Seat
w/fold headrests / Fold Flat Into Floor
Wood-Grained-Styled Int Trim/Eng Immob
Retail Total
Vehicle Base Model ..........................:$ 41020.00 $ 41020.00
50 State Emissions .........................
JBL AM/FM 6-Disc In Dash CD Changer with ... 630.00
Hands-Free Phone Capability via Bluetooth ..
Wireless Technology, XM Satellite Ready ....
Capability (Requires a XM receiver), .......
MP3/WMA Playback Capability and 9 Speakers .
(including subwoofer) in 7 locations .......
Anti-theft Alarm System w/ Engine .......... 220.00
Immobilizer ................................
Extra Value Package #3: .................... 1310.00
Includes Front Auto Dual Zone Climate ......
Control System (Includes Steering Wheel AC .
Controls), Auto Rear Air Conditioning ......
System w/ Rear Vents for 2nd & 3rd Row, ....
Power Tilt/Slide Moonroof w/Sunshade. ......
Carpet/Cargo Mat - 3 Row Seating ........... 275.00
--------- ---------
Total Accessories ...........................: $ 2435.00 $ 2435.00
Destination Charge ..........................: $ 745.00
TDA .........................................:
Gasoline ....................................:
Dealer Holdback .............................:
Whsl. Financial Reserve .....................:
---------
Total .......................................: $ 44200.00

[michelb]

Well the pricing arrive today, as promised. Here it is - any comments or has anyone done better lately?

Here is and invoice for a new 2009 Highlander Hybrid Limited without Navigation or DVD player.

Our price is $41,200 including our discount and the May rebate from Toyota. MSRP $44,200.
...

I really don't know much about the Highlander or options but Fitzmall does about $4-6k below MSRP on Highlander Hybrid however they don't sell to Canadians. It might be worth contacting a broker just to see what they charge to bring it in. Obviously you also have to factor in things like where you are picking it up, transportation/travel costs, etc.

[Albertan]

Has anyone had any luck getting a used 2007+ Toyota RAV4 for a screamin' deal in the US lately? With the dollar where it is, I was hoping I could get a sub-25k miles 2007+ RAV4 for under $13K. Any ideas?

[dough4you]

I've started looking for an AUDI Q5 here in Canada. How is Audi in regards to bringing warranty across the border. AND if it's ok, does anyone know of any AUDI dealers stateside?
Q5 looks very, very nice. I saw one in Turkey 2 months ago.

Dough

[asdfman]

Does anyone know of a Honda dealer that will sell to someone in T.O? If so, please pm me

[bkushner]

Don't q5's start at 37,200 in the US and 43000 in Canada? Not a big enough spread.

[underpants]

Does anyone know of a Honda dealer that will sell to someone in T.O? If so, please pm me

FYI, no warranty on a new Honda. You might want to look at Toyota, if you can find a dealer who will sell.

[piranhaa]

FYI, no warranty on a new Honda. You might want to look at Toyota, if you can find a dealer who will sell.

Underpants is right...

Use this link to see if the car company is actually willing to honour the warranty. Some (like Subaru) are in the grey area (they reimburse you)

http://www.importcartocanada.info/tools/warranty-coverage-check/

[Jin]

Getting a dealer letter stating they will honor my warranty after import on a 2009 Honda Odyssey EX-L. Buying it from a import dealer (LP Auto - in GVR).

Paying $33,000 + PST & GST (car has some options but not many - including roof rack + attachments and all season floor mats everywhere).

Figure I'm saving about $4-5K

[Vancitys3]

Anyone know a USA Toyota dealer that will sell new to a Canadian? There was one in Washington state that I knew about, but after recent contact, it seems that door is closed. Anyone know another dealer that will? Send a PM.

[michelb]

Getting a dealer letter stating they will honor my warranty after import on a 2009 Honda Odyssey EX-L. Buying it from a import dealer (LP Auto - in GVR).

Paying $33,000 + PST & GST (car has some options but not many - including roof rack + attachments and all season floor mats everywhere).

Figure I'm saving about $4-5K

Personally, I'd be pretty sceptical of the value of that letter. Who's honoring the warranty? The US dealer the car is from (meaning that you have to return to the US for warranty work), the import dealer in Canada (are they a Honda dealership (I imagine not if they are selling you a US import)? What happens if this dealer closes? What happens if they are bought out? What happens if they decide to refuse a claim?

[Vancitys3]

All you USA buyers - how do you handle the money? Where is the best place to convert your CAD to USD? Whats the best way to go about this?:confused:

[piranhaa]

All you USA buyers - how do you handle the money? Where is the best place to convert your CAD to USD? Whats the best way to go about this?:confused:

I believe cash and certified (US?) cheque are what you want. You could just call the dealership you're buying from and ask what they take. I believe you can also wire transfer money, but not 100% sure on that...

You could also get a low interest Capital One (no, I don't work for them...) credit card. Mine's at like 3.15% interest right now... Then just pay that off when you get back.

[SeeWhy2]

All you USA buyers - how do you handle the money? Where is the best place to convert your CAD to USD? Whats the best way to go about this?:confused:

..... I believe you can also wire transfer money, but not 100% sure on that...

I wired mine. Takes a little trust between buyer & dealer but I made out okay ;). I purchased at Van Bortel's

[bionicbadger]

All you USA buyers - how do you handle the money? Where is the best place to convert your CAD to USD? Whats the best way to go about this?:confused:

xetrade account

[jumbomumbo]

Hey guys, anyone imported a used bmw x5? (2004-2006) I am thinking of importing one and tried using autotrader.com to find but a lot of the dealers seems sketchy, how do you guys find your used vehicles?

[Monsieurmaggot]

xetrade account

Ditto.

That's what I did.

I also electronically transferred cash from XEtrade direct to the dealer's account. The rate was 2 -3 points below the bank. Simple and NO fees to do it.

For those thinking of charging a US purchase on their credit card, you'll be paying a much higher spread.

XEtrade will give you lower spreads depending on how much cash you're looking to transfer OVER A LIFETIME. Some folks think it's a one time thing.

If you think you will transfer 50-100k over a few years or more, tell them so. The exchange spread will be much lower.

Also, with the Canadian dollar closing at 91.6 today, expect more and more sharp RFDers to take advantage of the crazy deals south of the border. It's trickle now, at .95 cents exchange, the juggernaut will start up again and Canadian dealers will go whining again about their inability to compete with the US.

Oh Boo Hoo....

[bmm34]

Bought a 2008 Tribeca in Nov of 2007...I'm now looking to do some research to see what I buy next if the dollar keeps going.

[Subzero813]

Anyone know a USA Toyota dealer that will sell new to a Canadian? There was one in Washington state that I knew about, but after recent contact, it seems that door is closed. Anyone know another dealer that will? Send a PM.


me too. I'm in the same boat.

[rjmbc]

me too. I'm in the same boat.

Subzero,

Send me a PM and I can supply some possible dealers in Oregon, Montana & elsewhere.

[paaji]

Question for those who bought used car or suv. Did you guys went through dealer, craiglist or any other sites which might be useful in finding used suv. I mean 2008 or 2007 models?
Thanks

[nornet]

Underpants is right...

Use this link to see if the car company is actually willing to honour the warranty. Some (like Subaru) are in the grey area (they reimburse you)

http://www.importcartocanada.info/tools/warranty-coverage-check/

I can't think of a popular new car that really needs a warranty. The price difference was so great between the US and here I didn't care if I got one. The car was a Subaru and I did get one but if I wanted a Honda the fact that it had no warranty wouldn't deter me providing the savings were enough.

[brian.gerson]

That's right, the market will continue to be irrational. That whole business about current account deficit and the fact that the inscrutable Chinese hold paper worth 65% of the M1 money supply? Just mumbo jumbo by economists who have no idea what they're doing. Also, house prices will keep on rising at five times the rate of inflation.

The outlook in the short term for the USD is quite bullish, for the reasons you cite, but in the long term they're defying gravity. Interest rates will rise eventually, and that $10 trillion debt they have is going to become a real albatross.

Anonymouse, thank you for your advice to be patient in the quoted post and others. I am about to save several thousand dollars because I waited for the exchange rate to become more favourable. I'm going to wait another week and see if the Canadian dollar hits $0.95.

If I could nominate you for "Most Wise Poster" I would.

[west]

Question for those who bought used car or suv. Did you guys went through dealer, craiglist or any other sites which might be useful in finding used suv. I mean 2008 or 2007 models?
Thanks

Would like this information as well!


What suv are you looking for? I am in the market for one too.

[fl4wless]

Question for those who bought used car or suv. Did you guys went through dealer, craiglist or any other sites which might be useful in finding used suv. I mean 2008 or 2007 models?
Thanks

Would like this information as well!


What suv are you looking for? I am in the market for one too.


Id suggest dealing with a dealership to mitagate the risk. I purchased from a Dealer in Ohio last march,... slightly used 2008 CX-7 GT AWD. The dealer provided me with the recall letter, registered the title under my name (some states do not allow non residents to have the title registered, in which case i believe the previous owner just has to sign it over to you), and most importantly, provided temp id tags so i could drive it back through 4 different states (drove it all the way to SK). They even drove over 2 hours to pick me up from the airport in cleveland and drove me to the dealership.

Dealing privately might land you a better deal, but i wouldnt trust sending a deposit to some random. At least with a dealerhsip there is some piece of mind that you wont get ripped off.

I used Cars.com, autotrader.com.

[dOOMYLEIN]

Dealing privately has it's risks but if you use your brain and common sense it should be more financially rewarding.
My 4Runner is purchased off craigslist (from Connecticut) and things worked out OK for me.
I also suggest using crazedlist.org to cover a larger area easier.

[james-007]

I bought 2 vehicles through private sale and had no problems. I didn't even go to view the vehicles just pictures and trust in the seller. Both times no complaints and no problems. Just doing it this way is not for everyone, you do have to do your home work.

[dracore]

I bought 2 vehicles through private sale and had no problems. I didn't even go to view the vehicles just pictures and trust in the seller. Both times no complaints and no problems. Just doing it this way is not for everyone, you do have to do your home work.

How did you handle payment? certified cheque or wire? Did you have to pay them first and then wait a few days for the money to clear before you were able to pick up the vehicle? I'm just worried that they would take the money and run before you even get the car.

[HP_John]

Me personally, if I imported a used car, I'd be much more comfortable with a CPO than a private sale. CPO is no guarantee the car is in great condition, but in general, they do tend to be higher quality. With a private sale that you are not inspecting, you're entirely leaving it up to that individual to believe him that the car is in good condition. CPO cars do have to go through an inspection.

I used to work in sales at 2 Honda dealers, our CPO cars were generally in very good condition, I was even surprised how meticulous & thorough they were.

[james-007]

How did you handle payment? certified cheque or wire? Did you have to pay them first and then wait a few days for the money to clear before you were able to pick up the vehicle? I'm just worried that they would take the money and run before you even get the car.

What I did both times was got them to notarized a letter stating our vehicle type, model , vin, amount and copy of their drivers license. Do a Carfax check and verify the history and loans.

As for payment I used XE.COM
Both times I got the vehicles for the loan amount owing. 1st time as was able to transfer the entire amount to the loan company, so I made an electronic payment to the loan company. After the Title arrived, I| did you border paper work and picked up the vehicle.

2nd time the load company would not except an electronic payment, so I made had an agreement with the seller and transferred 1/2 of purchase amount to them and he had to come up the other half to pay the loan. When the title arrived, I payment "I paid the remaining half in cash at time time of pick up.

It is very important that keep records of communication / copy of the ad and take copies of those records with you to the border. This will make you life much easier if the border patrol doesn't believe you. With my 2nd car they thought I was trying to lie about the purchase price and tried to screw me around but it didn't work.

[doingdeal]

anyone purchase a vehicle through ebay with the use of there Vehicle Purchase Protection Program? I'm looking at purchasing a toyota sienna private sale but using ebay for protection purposes anyone have any experience?

[michelb]

anyone purchase a vehicle through ebay with the use of there Vehicle Purchase Protection Program? I'm looking at purchasing a toyota sienna private sale but using ebay for protection purposes anyone have any experience?

Unfortunately, like many of the other eBay 'protection' programs, I don't think they give you much - it might help you a lot more with scams (which is a very good thing) but I don't think it provides much protection for the actual vehicle condition. It says it does but I think they have so many conditions and minimums and stuff that I think it would barely cover any of the expenses if you had some issues.

[Matty]

anyone purchase a vehicle through ebay with the use of there Vehicle Purchase Protection Program? I'm looking at purchasing a toyota sienna private sale but using ebay for protection purposes anyone have any experience?

Watch out. I discovered dozens of ads currently on Trader.ca that are scams. Telltale signs: the seller almost always posts an email address with a woman's name, there's usually no phone number, the prices are insanely low, and the scammer asks that the sale be conducted via the Ebay protection something or other. There are news stories on the web right now, so check it out.

Out of interest for the RFD community, can you tell us if any of the above criteria applied to the ad you saw? Any correspondance with the 'seller'?

[freewheel]

Watch out. I discovered dozens of ads currently on Trader.ca that are scams. Telltale signs: the seller almost always posts an email address with a woman's name, there's usually no phone number, the prices are insanely low, and the scammer asks that the sale be conducted via the Ebay protection something or other. There are news stories on the web right now, so check it out.



True, I saw an Acura MDX on there for $7900. Thousands less than all other listings. Only an email contact.

If price is rediculously low IT IS A SSCAM!

[jed]

Thats trader.ca, I used autotrader.com to find the various vehicles I was looking for, found a couple at dealerships, and eventually bought one of them, from a GM dealership.

Theres a tonne of information in this thread that greatly helped me. What I would add is if you pay to get the vehicle shipped, that you do that in a totally seperate transaction from the vehicle bill of sale and payment. Two invoices, two cheques, one for each.

Customs added my freight cost into the vehicle's value when calculating GST which I personally don't feel was right because this was a service done in the US. But it only added $35 to my cost so I left it alone, especially when the dog went through the customs lobby and started sniffing at the guy in line next to me.

"Come with me, sir" while we do a body cavity search:cheesygri

[doingdeal]

ty all for all the response I found a brokage firm that will handle everything for a low cost of $300brokage fee +gst+riv+actax. Found a new 2009 Nissan Quest S for 18k all in, brokage firm is handling all the paperwork I just have to pick up the vehicle at the border when the paperworks all done.

[pulsar]

ty all for all the response I found a brokage firm that will handle everything for a low cost of $300brokage fee +gst+riv+actax. Found a new 2009 Nissan Quest S for 18k all in, brokage firm is handling all the paperwork I just have to pick up the vehicle at the border when the paperworks all done.

Was this brokerage firm stateside or Canadian. I'd be interested in picking up another US vehicle through them so that I don't have to bother my Amerifriend again.

[doingdeal]

canadian h**p://www.engautos.com/ from ontario they will handle all the paperwork $300 fee, some brokage firm wants over $1600 lol. They also offered storage for $3 dollars a day depending where you are incase you can't pick up the vehicle just yet, Also low shipping cost to the border.

[tkl]

I imported mine a year and a half ago and it's nice to see the thread back up with the Cdn dollar moving on up again. Good luck importing.

[Scotty70]

Was this brokerage firm stateside or Canadian. I'd be interested in picking up another US vehicle through them so that I don't have to bother my Amerifriend again.


The outfit I am using charge $250 Canadian + GST. I pay the RIV fee directly. They prepared the documents for the border and notified the border and I can pick the car up at the dealership. My dealer required that the vehicle be registered first in the US and they looked after that but I pay no state sales taxes. They are located in BC.

[preetb]

The outfit I am using charge $250 Canadian + GST. I pay the RIV fee directly. They prepared the documents for the border and notified the border and I can pick the car up at the dealership. My dealer required that the vehicle be registered first in the US and they looked after that but I pay no state sales taxes. They are located in BC.

Do you have contact info for this "outfit". I'm looking to import soon but will find it difficult to meet up with the transport company in WA state due to my work schedule. I don't mind doing the paperwork but am willing to pay a small fee if it means that I can pick up the car at a convenient time.

[Scotty70]

Do you have contact info for this "outfit". I'm looking to import soon but will find it difficult to meet up with the transport company in WA state due to my work schedule. I don't mind doing the paperwork but am willing to pay a small fee if it means that I can pick up the car at a convenient time.

I PM'd you some information regarding contacting them.

Scott

[vipt2000]

Since last year Canadian is not eligible for the cash discount from Subaru USA, would anyone know a way or a sysem so we can be eligible for the cash discount? I believe the cash discount are for US residents only according several friendly US Subaru dealers

Thanks.

[dracore]

Can an imported car be traded in the future at a canadian dealership? even if the speedometer and everything is left untouched and shows miles instead of km?

[fl4wless]

Can an imported car be traded in the future at a canadian dealership? even if the speedometer and everything is left untouched and shows miles instead of km?

yes

[daevas]

Saw this on CNN today, not sure if those who are looking can take advantage but thought id post it anyways.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/06/02/dealership.closing/index.html?iref=mpstoryview


"O'Bryhim points to a new Nitro he has discounted 40% off the sticker: $17,510 instead of the MSRP of $29,170. Soon, he says, he may mark it down even further."

"Everything must go, regardless of profit!" by June 9th..

[michelb]

Can an imported car be traded in the future at a canadian dealership? even if the speedometer and everything is left untouched and shows miles instead of km?

yes

You can trade them in but I would not be surprised if the dealership tells you that it's worth next to nothing saying that no one will want to buy it with the US speedo and he has to take $2k off the price to replace it ...

[pulsar]

Since last year Canadian is not eligible for the cash discount from Subaru USA, would anyone know a way or a sysem so we can be eligible for the cash discount? I believe the cash discount are for US residents only according several friendly US Subaru dealer.

There are only three ways that I know of:

1) Set up a business in a tax free state (ie Oregon) PM RFD member RJMBC as he went through this route

2) Purchase through a US broker (I am not 100% sure if you get rebates, I believe you do since the broker is American)

3) Purchase through an Amerifriend from a dealership outside his/her state (that does not have any recipricol tax agreements). The Amerifriend will have to sign the sales documents (through courier, etc) and the friend will tell the dealership that you will pick up the vehicle. You then also cereate a Bill of Sale between you and your Amerifriend. This is the route I took.

[rjmbc]

There are only three ways that I know of:

1) Set up a business in a tax free state (ie Oregon) PM RFD member RJMBC as he went through this route

2) Purchase through a US broker (I am not 100% sure if you get rebates, I believe you do since the broker is American)

3) Purchase through an Amerifriend from a dealership outside his/her state (that does not have any recipricol tax agreements). The Amerifriend will have to sign the sales documents (through courier, etc) and the friend will tell the dealership that you will pick up the vehicle. You then also cereate a Bill of Sale between you and your Amerifriend. This is the route I took.

If people want to PM me regarding Paragraph 1 above, I will be happy to run them through the process and related costs.

[bkushner]

Holy sht on that link to chrysler deals.

[doingdeal]

ya there is some crazy deals down there, I phoned a chrysler dealer that was closing on how much cash price for a town & country limited with all the bells and whistles.
40+k msrp he wanted 21k out the lot, to bad the warranty doesn't transfer over.

[pulsar]

ya there is some crazy deals down there, I phoned a chrysler dealer that was closing on how much cash price for a town & country limited with all the bells and whistles.
40+k msrp he wanted 21k out the lot, to bad the warranty doesn't transfer over.
Interested in knowing which dealerships are closing down. I tried googling for a list but I couldn't find any. Which one did you phone?

[doingdeal]

heres a list http://www.edmunds.com/industry-car-news/chrysler-dealerships-closing.html
heres one but most of there stocks are gone
http://www.mancarisoforlandhills.com/new-inventory/index.htm?SByear=clear&SBmake=Chrysler&SBmodel=clear&SBbodystyle=clear&SBprice=clear

[PrimeBane]

Question for those who bought used car or suv. Did you guys went through dealer, craiglist or any other sites which might be useful in finding used suv. I mean 2008 or 2007 models?
Thanks

Would like this information as well!


What suv are you looking for? I am in the market for one too.

I used a Saturn dealer to buy my 2007 Saturn Outllook, but they carried all sorts of used models from other companies. You should be fine with any place that sells certified used.

I used www.cars.com (with a US zip code) to find what I was looking for. :)

[ECM543]

Need a small 4 door or hatchback as second car. What's the best deal available in the US now (with warranty, net of incentives, etc). Ontario based. Many thks.

[mangoman]

As many people have posted, there is only a short list of manufacturers that will allow you to buy new with a warranty that transfers across the border. You're going to need to do some homework (either in this thread or on some of the sites mentioned in this thread) to find out which ones still do (not saying this to be a jerk, saying this because things have probably changed now that it's 2009).

If you want warranty, I would strongly consider a used 2008/2009 model where the owner has purchased extended warranty that is transferable (e.g. Toyota's ECP I believe is transferable, however most Toyota dealers have been told they cannot sell you a new car or a used with an ECP - you'll have to get a broker).


Need a small 4 door or hatchback as second car. What's the best deal available in the US now (with warranty, net of incentives, etc). Ontario based. Many thks.

[vorthex]

Hello, I am an absolute newbie when it comes to cars but I desperately need one. And I know the deals are great in the united states right now, and on top of it our dollar is sky rocketing... so I would like to take advantage of the deals if possible.

I am heading to New York in a few weeks, for 2 weeks. Not sure if that is of any help. But if I were planning on purchasing a used car, whether it be private, or from a company -- how would I go by sending this car back to Canada (not driving it home)?

How do I know how much I will be charged to ship it... and will I be charge GST + PST + Duty?

Can someone briefly explain to me the few steps or PM me what to watch out for? I REALLY need to take advantage of this Canadian dollar... I'm a university student and I haven't had a car for the longest time and I'm sick of it! Looking to spend up to 10K possibly a little more if the deal is that great...

Also what would be the best and easiest way to convert this money? Thanks!

[LegiT]

Hello, I am an absolute newbie when it comes to cars but I desperately need one. And I know the deals are great in the united states right now, and on top of it our dollar is sky rocketing... so I would like to take advantage of the deals if possible.

I am heading to New York in a few weeks, for 2 weeks. Not sure if that is of any help. But if I were planning on purchasing a used car, whether it be private, or from a company -- how would I go by sending this car back to Canada (not driving it home)?

How do I know how much I will be charged to ship it... and will I be charge GST + PST + Duty?

Can someone briefly explain to me the few steps or PM me what to watch out for? I REALLY need to take advantage of this Canadian dollar... I'm a university student and I haven't had a car for the longest time and I'm sick of it! Looking to spend up to 10K possibly a little more if the deal is that great...

Also what would be the best and easiest way to convert this money? Thanks!

I don't mean to be a jerk but being a university student myself, I find it lazy to not spend 30 minutes searching in this thread for your basic answers. i.e. taxes/duty, shipping, etc.

[pothia]

Who should I contact to get the temporary insurance for driving the car from the border to home? My insurance agent said it's not possible but I don't think this is the case.

THANKS IN ADVANCE.

[underpants]

Who should I contact to get the temporary insurance for driving the car from the border to home? My insurance agent said it's not possible but I don't think this is the case.

THANKS IN ADVANCE.

I'm not sure why you would want "temporary" insurance. You want the car insured once you have bought it. Call your insurance company and tell them you've bought a new car.

Get the VIN for you new car. They will want the VIN, make, mode, year and what you paid.

This is what I did when I imported my Sienna. I had no issues.

[Vancitys3]

Anyone notice that RIV changed the website? A few weeks ago the 09 Toyota Tacoma was admissible into Canada, now it is NOT ADMISSIBLE!!

What gives??? I phoned RIV and they said it is in fact not admissible, unless it was a typo. Man that really messes with my plans:mad:

[pothia]

I am about to pick up the car at Sarnia, ON. But the insurance agent says that they dont't insure cars until it's fully registered in the province. But as far as I remember in all the research I've done on importing cars from US, it only mentions getting temp insurance before you go pick up the car at the border.

So, what's the correct order in this case? insurance first then registration or the other way around?

[underpants]

I am about to pick up the car at Sarnia, ON. But the insurance agent says that they dont't insure cars until it's fully registered in the province. But as far as I remember in all the research I've done on importing cars from US, it only mentions getting temp insurance before you go pick up the car at the border.

So, what's the correct order in this case? insurance first then registration or the other way around?

Perhaps you should give another insurance company a call.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Who should I contact to get the temporary insurance for driving the car from the border to home? My insurance agent said it's not possible but I don't think this is the case.

THANKS IN ADVANCE.

It's been covered countless times in this thread, 99% of Canadian insurance companies WON'T issue you "temporary" insurance. If you a buying a car in the US, it's YOUR car. Insure it that way. If you choose to change insurance companies after you buy your car, most reputable ones will re-imburse you on a pro-rated basis.

On another note, I'm getting emails from RFDers saying that a few Canadian Chrysler dealers are buying cars from the US dealers that are closing down in volume since they can't get the cars here at that type of discount.

[pothia]

It's been covered countless times in this thread, 99% of Canadian insurance companies WON'T issue you "temporary" insurance. If you a buying a car in the US, it's YOUR car. Insure it that way. If you choose to change insurance companies after you buy your car, most reputable ones will re-imburse you on a pro-rated basis.

On another note, I'm getting emails from RFDers saying that a few Canadian Chrysler dealers are buying cars from the US dealers that are closing down in volume since they can't get the cars here at that type of discount.


ok,im confused...
I guess my ultimate question is: who should i contact/ what should i do so that i'd be able to legally drive the car back from Sarnia to Toronto. Ur help would be greatly appreciated.

[pulsar]

I am about to pick up the car at Sarnia, ON. But the insurance agent says that they dont't insure cars until it's fully registered in the province. But as far as I remember in all the research I've done on importing cars from US, it only mentions getting temp insurance before you go pick up the car at the border.

So, what's the correct order in this case? insurance first then registration or the other way around?

It is the same type of insurance you would buy if you purchase a vehicle out of your own province. Ask the Insurance company what they would issue you if you purchased a vehicle outside your home province so you can drive it back. In BC it is called a BINDER.

[rjmbc]

ok,im confused...
I guess my ultimate question is: who should i contact/ what should i do so that i'd be able to legally drive the car back from Sarnia to Toronto. Ur help would be greatly appreciated.

Contact your insurance agent and tell them you bought the car and that you want insurance. Tell them that it will be registered when you get it home. All they should need is the Serial Number & maybe a copy of the bill of sale.

[Sergio]

+1

Keep it simple stupid (KISS)

I did the same, when I purchased my vehicle, I got insurance on vehicle right away, and I simply provided them the VIN, Make, Model, Year, and estimated KM I will do for year. Same day, they faxed me a temporary insurance, and a few days later I got the proper insurance docs.

Good luck!
Sergio

Contact your insurance agent and tell them you bought the car and that you want insurance. Tell them that it will be registered when you get it home. All they should need is the Serial Number & maybe a copy of the bill of sale.

[pothia]

but then again, even if im covered by temporary insurance...is it legal to drive a non-registered vehicle from Sarnia, ON to Toronto, ON?
I called MTO regarding this matter and they said they can't register the car unless it's already in Toronto and fully inspected.
But when I think about it, how can I drive back a car without a license plate?

[jed]

Search, search, read, read. Its been BTDT many times here.

You buy an In Transit - called different terms in the many provinces but its temp registration.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Read the first post. It explains almost all the questions.

Buy car.

Call insurance/Get insurance (forget that you're buying in the US). What do you do about insurance when you buy a car from the Canadian (gouging) dealer? You can't buy a car without insurance anyway. The fact that you buy a car in the US is irrelevant. My insurance company (State Farm) gave me full insurance coverage when I purchased my car. They had no problem with the fact that it was purchased in the US and simply asked that I NOT drive it for pleasure until it was properly licensed in my province. In my case they asked for both US and provincial transit permits. The transit permits cost me practically nothing. I think I paid $50 in NY and $15 in Ontario. Overall, insignificant.

Go to your local motor vehicle department and get a transit permit (or get one in the US). They will need the bill of sale and the VIN number.

Bring car across border.

Pay GST (and duties if your car requires it).

Pay RIV fee ($200)

Get car inspected (free)

Almost all cars require little or no modifications unless you want a BMW where they choose to screw the Canadian consumer into buying a metric display.

Get provincial plate (pay appropriate provincial fee).

Spend your savings on your new 60" flat screen, a vacation and maybe some RRSP contributions.

Done.

[Monsieurmaggot]

but then again, even if im covered by temporary insurance...is it legal to drive a non-registered vehicle from Sarnia, ON to Toronto, ON?
I called MTO regarding this matter and they said they can't register the car unless it's already in Toronto and fully inspected.
But when I think about it, how can I drive back a car without a license plate?

One note: The transit permit is intended to show the authorities that the car is in a "transitional" stage of registration.

In Ontario (I got this right from the mouth of an OPP constable) a transit permit (regardless of the juridisction) is required when a newly acquired vehicle is changing ownership. It is intended ONLY to be used when driving the vehicle from the place of purchase or on on it's way to an inspection or licensing bureau. In Ontario, you CANNOT drive a vehicle with a transit permit for pleasure. Also, you CANNOT put a permanent license plate on a vehicle until it is properly registered. I've heard stories where people took their plates off another car and placed it on their new car so they could drive it around. I can only imagine what would happen if they attempted that at the border when they cross-check the license plate only to find it doesn't match the car. Can you say "I suspect drug smuggling"? Sure it takes some time in line to get the permit, but just do it!

I was also told that if you drive a car with a temporary transit permit in a mall parking lot or some other obvious non-registration place, if you're caught, You WILL be ticketed for not having a properly registered vehicle in Ontario. Those fines are quite hefty.

[pothia]

guys, I thought I fully understood the proper procedure until I called a few insurance brokers this morning. I called my own broker first and he said the insurance can only be issued when it's registered (whether it's temp or permanent registration)
Then I called 3 other brokers, 2 had no idea..and the last one insists that my own broker is correct. I then said "can you please refer to the newly acquired vehicle policy 2.2.1..." and she said that only applies to cars bought WITHIN Ontario.


Gosh..insurance brokers are telling me to go to MTO to get the temp permit and MTO said I need to contact my insurance broker...what the hell

[Monsieurmaggot]

I would suggest trying a different MTO office.

I was only asked for make/model/VIN and more importantly, the $15 fee.

They didn't ask to see my bill of sale or proof of insurance.

[Albertan]

Where can we find the latest list of Warranty-validity for cross-boarder purchases? The APA's list is over a year old! :eek:

[mplsv]

For the few of you who thought we'd drop to 60 ... not even close. You've all seen the oversold position of our dollar and how quick it bounced back above 90 cents. Now watch as we get back to and above par.

For those of you looking to buy in the States, start doing your homework. Depending on your timeline, be prepared for better deals as time passes. Things get better shortly. However, if you can wait it out, be prepared to save even more as our dollar heads for over 1.10 on this second bull run of three.

[flagrantman]

Where can we find the latest list of Warranty-validity for cross-boarder purchases? The APA's list is over a year old! :eek:

I found this site with some warranty information, however I'm not sure if it's any better than the APA website.

http://www.importcartocanada.info/tools/warranty-coverage-check/

Good Luck

[michelb]

I would suggest trying a different MTO office.

I was only asked for make/model/VIN and more importantly, the $15 fee.

They didn't ask to see my bill of sale or proof of insurance.

For the temp permit, probably depends on the office and how much the person there cares; when I went they insisted on having bill of sale, proof of insurance AND the bill of sale had to be within the last 6 days (mine wasn't so I couldn't get one although the person just suggested I get a new bill of sale with today's date from the vendor (I ended up getting my real plates later that day so didn't even bother)).

[nikick]

guys, I thought I fully understood the proper procedure until I called a few insurance brokers this morning. I called my own broker first and he said the insurance can only be issued when it's registered (whether it's temp or permanent registration)
Then I called 3 other brokers, 2 had no idea..and the last one insists that my own broker is correct. I then said "can you please refer to the newly acquired vehicle policy 2.2.1..." and she said that only applies to cars bought WITHIN Ontario.


Gosh..insurance brokers are telling me to go to MTO to get the temp permit and MTO said I need to contact my insurance broker...what the hell

i had the same dilemma.but then u just have to keep asking different insurance company, at last I found one and finally able to bring back my tt.

thanks to all who provided lotsa info so I can enjoy my new ride.

[cookiemunster]

Has anyone brought back a Subaru recently? I'm looking for either a good dealership in the west, or recent US price paid (Impreza / Forester) TIA!

[rjmbc]

Has anyone brought back a Subaru recently? I'm looking for either a good dealership in the west, or recent US price paid (Impreza / Forester) TIA!

2009 Subaru Forester 2.5X Limited (automatic)
Port installed options:
Splash guards, luggage compartment cover, rear bumper cover and auto-dimming mirror/compass.
Manufacturer Suggested Retail Price: $ 27,449.00
Factory Invoice Price: $ 25,625.00
Sale price: $ 24,972.00 (there is still no factory incentives available on the Forester)

2009 Tribeca 7-passenger Limited
Port installed options:
Splash guards, luggage compartment cover, cargo tray all weather mats.
Manufacturer Suggested Retail Price: $ 34,648.00
Factory Invoice Price: $ 32,405.00
Sale Price: $ 29,256.00 (includes all current factory incentives)

If you want more info PM me.

[pulsar]

Has anyone brought back a Subaru recently? I'm looking for either a good dealership in the west, or recent US price paid (Impreza / Forester) TIA!

Be wary about the Impreza and Forester. I believe they are all made in Japan (VIN # starts with J). Thus you will have to pay the 6.1% duty on them. So factor that in when you do the cost comparisons.

[LoveRFD]

Has anyone bought the Ford Fusion Hybrid from south? Will the government ecoAuto rebate apply to cars purchased in the states?

[michelb]

Has anyone bought the Ford Fusion Hybrid from south? Will the government ecoAuto rebate apply to cars purchased in the states?

Didn't buy the car but I think when I checked last year, it was clearly stated that the rebate did not apply on vehicles that were imported from the US (which is pretty bogus since you still pay full tax on them ...)

Just check the ecoAuto website

[james-007]

Has anyone bought the Ford Fusion Hybrid from south? Will the government ecoAuto rebate apply to cars purchased in the states?

I as far as I know both levels of rebates do not apply to vehicles purchased in States. Talk about being eco friendly.

[LoveRFD]

I just checked Transport Canada's website about this eco Auto rebate program, it says "On March 31, 2009, the ecoauto Rebate Program has concluded its 2-Year mandate to encourage Canadians to buy new fuel-efficient vehicles as part of the Government of Canada's plan to protect the environment. "

Does this mean there's no more rebate in the future?

Here's the link:
http://www.tc.gc.ca/programs/environment/ecotransport/ecoauto.htm

[shwinn]

On the Honda website, it states if a US Honda comes to Canada, the warranty is nulled.

When they say nulled, does that mean if i bought a US Honda and needed warranty work, I not only cannot get it here but also can't in the US?

[Anonymouse]

On the Honda website, it states if a US Honda comes to Canada, the warranty is nulled.

When they say nulled, does that mean if i bought a US Honda and needed warranty work, I not only cannot get it here but also can't in the US?

That's the conclusion I came to when I looked into it last year, but I have heard reports of people driving to Buffalo for warranty service. I think you simply don't tell Honda you're exporting the car.

[BCRS4]

I've just purchased a used Audi in Oregon. Private sale. The Oregon DMV "Bill of Sale" doesn't have a sale price. I'm guessing because Oregon doesn't have state sales tax. I'm guessing RIV will need a bill of sale with the sale price in order to determin taxes and duty.

Should a just add a sale price line to the original document?

Brian

[rjmbc]

I've just purchased a used Audi in Oregon. Private sale. The Oregon DMV "Bill of Sale" doesn't have a sale price. I'm guessing because Oregon doesn't have state sales tax. I'm guessing RIV will need a bill of sale with the sale price in order to determin taxes and duty.

Should a just add a sale price line to the original document?

Brian

RIV could care less what you paid for the vehicle. Your problem is going to be with Canada Customs and later with PST when you go to register in BC.

I suggest that you have "proof" of how much you paid, when you try to cross the border. In the passed, we have used copies of Bank Drafts and also Bank Wire Transfers. They have still sometimes challenged the values.

[Monky]

I've just purchased a used Audi in Oregon. Private sale. The Oregon DMV "Bill of Sale" doesn't have a sale price. I'm guessing because Oregon doesn't have state sales tax. I'm guessing RIV will need a bill of sale with the sale price in order to determin taxes and duty.

Should a just add a sale price line to the original document?

Brian

You can just type up a bill of sale with vehicle info, price and have the seller and yourself sign it. Canadian Border Services accepted that without any issues.

[Monky]

That's the conclusion I came to when I looked into it last year, but I have heard reports of people driving to Buffalo for warranty service. I think you simply don't tell Honda you're exporting the car.

Officially, Honda does not warranty in the car in the US if you drive it back down and for sure it doesn't warranty the car in Canada. However unofficially, American Honda is honouring the warranty if you bring it back down these past couple of months. I think maybe the exchange rate went to $.80 so it wasn't such a big deal for exports??? I am bringing my Honda down next month so will see how it goes.

[pothia]

I was wondering, when you pay ur GST at the border, do they use the spot rate or the average weekly rate for foreign exchange?

[bionicbadger]

I was wondering, when you pay ur GST at the border, do they use the spot rate or the average weekly rate for foreign exchange?

They have a rate posted at the customs office, thats the one they use. I believe its changed daily.

[03terminator]

New RIV list

The Tacoma was corrected, It now states 2008 TO 2010, it had previously stated 2008 AND 2010 allowed.

So Tacoma buyers are good to go now.

[Stock R]

Hope our dollar continues rising. I'm looking into this importing business now!!!

[mplsv]

it's up from here. Just be patient.

[rjmbc]

I bought a new 2008 Highlander Hybrid in the US. Since that time I have been attempting to get the MFD to indicate L/100KM rather than MPG. Every Toyota dealer I contacted said "can't be done". Well I was able to have mine changed and it now reads L/100KM. My next task is to get the outside temperature to read C rather than F.
If anyone is interested in knowing how to get it done (Toyota has to do it) send me a message with an email address and I will send you a copy of a Toyota document that explains what has to be done.

[thegradas]

Here is the dealer's Weekly Specials from their website:

http://www.vistavw.com/VW-lauderdale-florida-dealer-lease-specials.html

It does say 09 Komfort for 19,990, but it also says Demo...

The cars were the demo fleet but they have never been titled... so as far as the bank is concerned they are new so you get the better rate.


... taken from FatWallet

[tor_forsale]

Few questions for getting used car from detroit,
1) if i have to pay tax in michigan and get the temparory lic plate from michigan,
can i used this to drive all the way after crossing border or still have to get temp plates after crossing border till other offical stuff finished ?

2) if i dont get michgan lic plate and get the car to us custom somehow, and drive to canadian border ( detroit to winsdor ) is that a probelm to ge the car to canadian border without plates on it ?

3) can we get the canadian temp plates ( ontario ) and then go to states to get my car , i will have my insurance docs with me or we need some owership docs to get the temp lic plates here in Ontario , i was thinking to get the temp plates first from here and go there and get the car on this plates to home

--- any help appreciated, getting 08 civic ex model this long weekend

thanks

[hiphopforce]

Few questions for getting used car from detroit,
1) if i have to pay tax in michigan and get the temparory lic plate from michigan,
can i used this to drive all the way after crossing border or still have to get temp plates after crossing border till other offical stuff finished ?

2) if i dont get michgan lic plate and get the car to us custom somehow, and drive to canadian border ( detroit to winsdor ) is that a probelm to ge the car to canadian border without plates on it ?

3) can we get the canadian temp plates ( ontario ) and then go to states to get my car , i will have my insurance docs with me or we need some owership docs to get the temp lic plates here in Ontario , i was thinking to get the temp plates first from here and go there and get the car on this plates to home

--- any help appreciated, getting 08 civic ex model this long weekend

thanks

from what i've read and soon to be doing..

you have to register the car to your name and they will issue you a temp plate (you don't pay tax there, because you're exporting the car to canada). you will have to notify the US custom 72 hrs ahead of time to let them know you're exporting a car. then when you get to the US custom, you should them your stuff, then they will send you to the canadian custom, where you will again show them your stuff, then you'll park your car. go in to fill in the vehicle form. you will get some sort of prove with you that the car has been check and properly imported over the border. you will continue to drive with the US temp plate until you get home. Then you will have 45 days to complete the following... get all necessary modifications done. RIV will send you and inspection form via email, mail, or fax. (you have to fax/email them your recall clarence first before they give you that form i believe). then you can goto a canadian tire (free of charge) to get it inspected and they will stamp your form and give you a proper compliance label to replace the US compliance label on your car. afterwards, you will have all the proper documentation to goto the ministry to plate your car! :)

long typing, but the process isn't that much if you got patience and make a checklist. i'm going to attempt this as my first time. if it works, i might start to help people do imports for a fee :)

[jl319]

Hope our dollar continues rising. I'm looking into this importing business now!!!


which one?

[tor_forsale]

Thanks for the input , thats correct, 72 hours thing i know. only confusion was about if i dont want to pay tax in MI then how it will work , without paying tax in MI i dont think i can get temp plates in MI. i will see how it goes, have to find out....i will post my results later on how it goes

from what i've read and soon to be doing..

you have to register the car to your name and they will issue you a temp plate (you don't pay tax there, because you're exporting the car to canada). you will have to notify the US custom 72 hrs ahead of time to let them know you're exporting a car. then when you get to the US custom, you should them your stuff, then they will send you to the canadian custom, where you will again show them your stuff, then you'll park your car. go in to fill in the vehicle form. you will get some sort of prove with you that the car has been check and properly imported over the border. you will continue to drive with the US temp plate until you get home. Then you will have 45 days to complete the following... get all necessary modifications done. RIV will send you and inspection form via email, mail, or fax. (you have to fax/email them your recall clarence first before they give you that form i believe). then you can goto a canadian tire (free of charge) to get it inspected and they will stamp your form and give you a proper compliance label to replace the US compliance label on your car. afterwards, you will have all the proper documentation to goto the ministry to plate your car! :)

long typing, but the process isn't that much if you got patience and make a checklist. i'm going to attempt this as my first time. if it works, i might start to help people do imports for a fee :)

[brendonp]

Can an imported car be traded in the future at a canadian dealership? even if the speedometer and everything is left untouched and shows miles instead of km?

Per the others, of course you can. You may want to sell it privately, though.

You can trade them in but I would not be surprised if the dealership tells you that it's worth next to nothing saying that no one will want to buy it with the US speedo and he has to take $2k off the price to replace it ...

Yes this sounds familiar; I imported an '05 Cooper "S" a couple of years ago for 19k USD (~20k CAD after my bank told me to bend-over - should have read this thread!). I sold it last week private party for 19.5k CAD - granted it was in almost perfect shape and still had fairly low mileage (it was a third car). Even at 19.5k, it was tied for the cheapest Mini listed in the AutoTrader with similar mileage and options (the couple that bought ours, drove the other "cheap" one and couldn't believe the difference in handling, acceleration and sound, which makes me think that the other one may have been in an accident somewhere in it's life!). Mini dealers were offering between 12k and 14k, and a few independent dealerships offered up to 17k.

Definitely an awesome experience and I'll be doing it again next year (rear facing car seat for the new baby makes it an awkward fit). I did a spreadsheet calculation of my total costs including travel/fees/duties/gas/insurance/tires/etc and my out of pocket for the two years of ownership and it was roughly $150 per month - since insurance was $90/month (though for only 8 months out of the year - stored winters), it was a great deal for us! Note that part of the calculation factor was equivalent mileage not being used on our SUV which eats 75% more gas (so I was reduced my monthly gas costs by not driving the truck)!

[HP_John]

Few questions for getting used car from detroit,
1) if i have to pay tax in michigan and get the temparory lic plate from michigan,
can i used this to drive all the way after crossing border or still have to get temp plates after crossing border till other offical stuff finished ?

2) if i dont get michgan lic plate and get the car to us custom somehow, and drive to canadian border ( detroit to winsdor ) is that a probelm to ge the car to canadian border without plates on it ?

3) can we get the canadian temp plates ( ontario ) and then go to states to get my car , i will have my insurance docs with me or we need some owership docs to get the temp lic plates here in Ontario , i was thinking to get the temp plates first from here and go there and get the car on this plates to home

--- any help appreciated, getting 08 civic ex model this long weekend

thanks

Did you try getting it from states where there wouldn't be tax issues? I'd try to exhaust that avenue 1st.

[GregGH]

Thanks for the input , thats correct, 72 hours thing i know. only confusion was about if i dont want to pay tax in MI then how it will work , without paying tax in MI i dont think i can get temp plates in MI. i will see how it goes, have to find out....i will post my results later on how it goes

I bought a Corvette from Michigan -- told them I would NOT pay tax - and let them see how badly they wanted to sell it ...they delivered it to me in Canada --I waited in Canada Customs ( some scary people pass thru there ) at the Windsor bridge.

READ carburner.com

Note - the US side only opens the gate once an hour after you have your permit stamped. AND -- make sure the car guys do NOT forget to stop at US side.

Greg

[HP_John]

I bought a Corvette from Michigan -- told them I would NOT pay tax - and let them see how badly they wanted to sell it ...they delivered it to me in Canada --I waited in Canada Customs ( some scary people pass thru there ) at the Windsor bridge.

READ carburner.com

Note - the US side only opens the gate once an hour after you have your permit stamped. AND -- make sure the car guys do NOT forget to stop at US side.

Greg

They did have to pay tax, but really, lets say they were willing to discount the car $10 K as an example (of course they don't disclose what the real amount they're willing to discount is). I'm sure you did get a good deal, but instead, say they gave you a discount of $9 K & said "you didn't pay tax".

When people say "you guys must be desperate, I refuse to pay freight/PDI", they really did pay it. If the dealer can discount a max of $5 K on the car, they will say "OK, we'll give you a $4 K discount & no freight/PDI" so the customer thinks they didn't pay it.

[freewheel]

They did have to pay tax, but really, lets say they were willing to discount the car $10 K as an example (of course they don't disclose what the real amount they're willing to discount is). I'm sure you did get a good deal, but instead, say they gave you a discount of $9 K & said "you didn't pay tax".

.


Actually a few years ago when I was considering buying a car in Michigan,, there was NO sales tax payable if you took delivery out of state. A dealer offered to drive it across the border for me, for a fee,

I ended up buying in Illinois where Canadians are not required to pay tax. (car was cheaper there as well, but 5 hours more driving)

[Stock R]

which one?

You know. The really nice one!

I'm actually still looking and deciding :P

[HP_John]

Actually a few years ago when I was considering buying a car in Michigan,, there was NO sales tax payable if you took delivery out of state. A dealer offered to drive it across the border for me, for a fee,

I ended up buying in Illinois where Canadians are not required to pay tax. (car was cheaper there as well, but 5 hours more driving)

In that case, sounds pretty good (assuming the fee was small/reasonable). I imported all the way from Cali, even with shipping I was way better off than the unreasonable NY state dealers (who were exploiting Cdns by selling at much higher prices to us than they did to their US customers).

[jay1]

Does anyone know if I buy an extended warranty on my Toyota Sienna ( the Sienna was purchased in the Sstates) from the states, will they accept it at the Toyota Dealership here?

[mangoman]

I believe that if you can buy it then it should be transferable. I think the problem that folks were having was buying an ECP upfront when buying the new or certified used Toyota. I believe Troy at Toyota of Greenfield is supposed to have good prices on the warranties (google him for contact details).

Does anyone know if I buy an extended warranty on my Toyota Sienna ( the Sienna was purchased in the Sstates) from the states, will they accept it at the Toyota Dealership here?

[Rambo4]

Ok. This is great if you buy NAFTA cars but how about the great german or japanese cars?! You still have to pay the duty tax which will kill the deal completely.
Any ideea how big are the duty taxes or where can I find info in this regard?

Some Japanese cars are built in Canada. like the MDX... not sure if that counts in the fine print of NAFTA.

[mangoman]

6.1% duty if the VIN starts with a letter (i.e. not made in N.America) - doesn't necessarily 'kill the deal'.

Some Japanese cars are built in Canada. like the MDX... not sure if that counts in the fine print of NAFTA.

[rgc97]

Does anyone know if I buy an extended warranty on my Toyota Sienna ( the Sienna was purchased in the States) from the states, will they accept it at the Toyota Dealership here?

Yes! And it's a lot cheaper. I paid less that $950 for a 100K mile 6-yr Platinum Extended Care Plan (zero deductible) which essentially extends the new car warranty. Haven't used it, and hope not to (our Sienna is now 2+ years old). But the card that comes with it clearly states it's valid in US & Canada. Toyota had a US lawsuit against them a few years ago, and settled out-of-court; as I understand it, part of the settlement was warranty coverage in the US for cars that came in from Canada. We are definitely covered.

It's often a no brainer to buy a US Sienna (when the FX rate is right) -- great vehicle, warranty covers Canada, and cheaper in the US. Challenge is putting in the effort to find a dealer who will sell new to you, or to find a good used one.

[rbsx]

Hey there guys,

Does anyone know what the rules are for an American moving to Canada are for bringing their cars up?

Thanks

[jackboot]

If you're buying a vehicle from Florida or Georgia and shipping to Western Canada then let me know. I have a shipment that may be able to piggy-back with you.

[frank358fr]

I've imported a Civic 2008 from Boston and it was easy as hell.

[yurcov]

Friend of mine brought my 07 vehicle into Canada 2 years ago and I drive it with the US license, now I paid it off and wanna officially import it. All papers are ready, so my questions are:

- can I drive down south and make u-turn just at the cross border point (where would be better to do it: Buffalo or somewhere else??), what I will need to say to the US officer and to canadian if they will rise a question why Iam coming from canada? Also I dont wanna show both of them my US dl, because I am not suppose to have it.
- What risk I will take at the US/canada booth because they can seize a vehicle which wasnt properly exported/imported from the states 2 years ago.

- would be better if friend of mine again bring it back to the states (he is US citizen) and I will drive it back to canada? This is involved some $$ paying to him which I am trying to avoid at this point.

also, what the US customs will do with the title (72 hours notice), can I skip it or not?

[dracore]

I've imported a Civic 2008 from Boston and it was easy as hell.

How did you handle the problem with temporary plates and driving around in your new car? MA state does not have temp plates...

[jed]

If you're buying a vehicle from Florida or Georgia and shipping to Western Canada then let me know. I have a shipment that may be able to piggy-back with you.

Where were you a few mos back?:cheesygri I brought up a van from Atlanta and used UPS to MT.

[medellru]

I got friend living in MA (Boston) who is on the wheel chair since 19. If you wanna buy a car in the states and you need a help with paper work he would be happy to assist you. For $300 he can use his ID`s and re-sale car back to you for much less dough if dealer doesnt want to cooperate with you. As a hadicap he doesnt need to pay sales tax, so you can save lots buks.

My example: new 2008 Honda Ridgeline RTL + Navi bought it in 2008 from Boch Honda for $22790 out of lot. In Canada price is over 40K. 1 month of waiting time for a title and paid only $1600 CA in taxes:cheesygri

[medellru]

How did you handle the problem with temporary plates and driving around in your new car? MA state does not have temp plates...

Just get insurance and then cancel it within 1 month. It costs around $100 more less.

[medellru]

Friend of mine brought my 07 vehicle into Canada 2 years ago and I drive it with the US license, now I paid it off and wanna officially import it. All papers are ready, so my questions are:

- can I drive down south and make u-turn just at the cross border point (where would be better to do it: Buffalo or somewhere else??), what I will need to say to the US officer and to canadian if they will rise a question why Iam coming from canada? Also I dont wanna show both of them my US dl, because I am not suppose to have it.
- What risk I will take at the US/canada booth because they can seize a vehicle which wasnt properly exported/imported from the states 2 years ago.

- would be better if friend of mine again bring it back to the states (he is US citizen) and I will drive it back to canada? This is involved some $$ paying to him which I am trying to avoid at this point.

also, what the US customs will do with the title (72 hours notice), can I skip it or not?

I belive you need to have your car in the states before you will import it. I havent had any troubles with crossing border, but doubt if they will seize your car. The best choice probably is if you buddy will bring it back, no headache whatsoever.

[joejack]

Hey there guys,

Does anyone know what the rules are for an American moving to Canada are for bringing their cars up?

Thanks

I brought my car when I moved back in 2000. The process is the same as what these guys are talking about, with the exception of no tax. However, you must prove that the car was purchased with intention of using it for yourself and not for the purpose of ONLY importing it. Read some details on customs web site for further details.

[chadjustine]

Does anyone happen to have an updated price list?

http://www.importcartocanada.info/ only has prices for the 2008 MSRP. Id like to see a 2009 list, if there is one.

Just curious.

Thanks.

[dracore]

Just get insurance and then cancel it within 1 month. It costs around $100 more less.

I don't understand. Isn't it illegal to be driving around with a vehicle having no plates even if you are insured?

[medellru]

No, you gatta have plates, you cant just drive around with no plates. I am saying, if you bought a vehicle, get it registered, plated and insured. All dealers do that in one day. Move back home. Call to the US insurance and cancel it, send cancelation form stamped by US insurance along with the US plates to DMV, send DMV confirmation to local city where you have to pay exise tax, keep all records just in case you will need it. Usually it takes about 1-2 months, during that time you can drive around with your US plates and registration. During that time you also will have all work done with your canadian registration. Than just swap plates.

[michelb]

No, you gatta have plates, you cant just drive around with no plates. I am saying, if you bought a vehicle, get it registered, plated and insured. All dealers do that in one day. Move back home. Call to the US insurance and cancel it, send cancelation form stamped by US insurance along with the US plates to DMV, send DMV confirmation to local city where you have to pay exise tax, keep all records just in case you will need it. Usually it takes about 1-2 months, during that time you can drive around with your US plates and registration. During that time you also will have all work done with your canadian registration. Than just swap plates.

I think a lot of people do this but according to Canada Border Services Agency, as a Canadian resident, you are NOT allowed to operate US plated vehicles in Canada except under a few circumstances. Here's an email I received from them when I asked:

Under the Temporary Importation of Conveyances by Residents of Canada Regulations (see Memorandum D2-4-1 at http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/dm-md/d2/d2-4-1-eng.html ), a conveyance may be imported temporarily by a resident in the following cases:

- For personal transportation only from the point of arrival to a specified destination in Canada when the purpose of importation is to transport personally owned goods into or out of Canada. Return must be within 30 days.

- When authorized by a customs inspector in instances where a resident is required, due to unforeseen circumstances or emergency reasons, to utilize a conveyance on which duties have not been paid for personal transportation to reach a specified destination in Canada and return.

Under no circumstances are conveyances admissible under these regulations for touring purposes or for leisure activities in Canada, nor is any local use permitted (e.g., point-to-point movement in Canada).

In addition, the Motor Vehicle Safety Act does not exempt the temporary importation of vehicles by residents from the requirement to register the vehicle in the Registrar of Imported Vehicles (RIV) Program and meet all other requirements of the RIV Program. As such, the rental vehicle can be imported only if the vehicle enters the RIV Program and all appropriate fees and taxes are paid.

We trust that you find this information helpful. Thank you for contacting the Canada Border Services Agency.

Internet: www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca
E-mail: cbsa-asfc@canada.gc.ca

Canada Border Services Agency
Ottawa, ON K1A 0L8

Government of Canada | Gouvernement du Canada

[Somboa]

Hi all. A couple of years ago, I bought a brand new Wrx Wagon from a dealer in NY and imported it with zero problems. I've also help a couple of friends with the process.

I'm looking to buy another car from the US however this time there will be 2 differences.

First is that it will be from a private seller and second, it will be in California (yes, one massive road trip coming up).

I tried to do a search through this thread but didn't really find a clear answer.

#1. Do I need temporary plates for each state I pass through or should the one from California be sufficient? Or.... do I even need temporary plates as long as I have the bill of sale, seller's info, etc? I'm not even sure how I would get a California temp plate... can anyone (including a non US resident) just get that based off the pink slip? Last time I did this, the US dealer provided a NY state temp permit which was good for 30 days.

#2. At the border, will they charge me GST and duties based on the Bill of sale or off the CDN equivalent? I know they will accept dealer appraisals but not sure about private. The tax difference will be about $2,000 if they were to use the CDN equivalent.

[Sergio]

I called the USA DMV, and Canadian province police authorities, and when you purchase a car from the USA, and you are driving it across the border, that is considered ok, if you have the following papers:

1. Proof of Purchase

2. Proof of Canada Customs paperwork

3. Proof of insurance

They also said, if police authorities, pull you over, you must explain to them that you are driving to DMV (Provincial Motors Dept, SAAQ for QC), and you are plating vehicle.

I tried to get a temporary plate in NY, and it was not worth the head aches.

Good luck!
Sergio

I don't understand. Isn't it illegal to be driving around with a vehicle having no plates even if you are insured?

[rgc97]

I had temp Virginia plates which I used for about 3 weeks, until I could put Ontario plates on our new Sienna. The temp plates were good for the 5 states I drove thru and for Ontario (checked with MTO before I brought the van home). This was 2 yrs ago.

All taxes are on the Cdn price (US price paid, with FX adjustment). You pay GST at the border, so they'll have the US-Canada FX rate for that day. When I eventually plated our Sienna in Ontario, the PST was based on the declared Cdn value at the border.

Hi all. A couple of years ago, I bought a brand new Wrx Wagon from a dealer in NY and imported it with zero problems. I've also help a couple of friends with the process.

I'm looking to buy another car from the US however this time there will be 2 differences.

First is that it will be from a private seller and second, it will be in California (yes, one massive road trip coming up).

I tried to do a search through this thread but didn't really find a clear answer.

#1. Do I need temporary plates for each state I pass through or should the one from California be sufficient? Or.... do I even need temporary plates as long as I have the bill of sale, seller's info, etc? I'm not even sure how I would get a California temp plate... can anyone (including a non US resident) just get that based off the pink slip? Last time I did this, the US dealer provided a NY state temp permit which was good for 30 days.

#2. At the border, will they charge me GST and duties based on the Bill of sale or off the CDN equivalent? I know they will accept dealer appraisals but not sure about private. The tax difference will be about $2,000 if they were to use the CDN equivalent.

[Somboa]

I had temp Virginia plates which I used for about 3 weeks, until I could put Ontario plates on our new Sienna. The temp plates were good for the 5 states I drove thru and for Ontario (checked with MTO before I brought the van home). This was 2 yrs ago.

All taxes are on the Cdn price (US price paid, with FX adjustment). You pay GST at the border, so they'll have the US-Canada FX rate for that day. When I eventually plated our Sienna in Ontario, the PST was based on the declared Cdn value at the border.

Thanks for the reply. Regarding the second question, sorry I should have been more clear.

Do I pay GST and duties of the cdn value of what I paid my private seller or do the customs folks charge me based on what the equivalent car in Canada (of the red book) would cost? We're talking $23,000cdn (what I'll be paying) versus $33,000cdn (what the same cars locally are going for).

I'm thinking of printing pages from autotrader.com and cars.com to proof that the price I paid is the going rate in the USA.

[medellru]

....

#1. Do I need temporary plates for each state I pass through or should the one from California be sufficient? Or.... do I even need temporary plates as long as I have the bill of sale, seller's info, etc? I'm not even sure how I would get a California temp plate... can anyone (including a non US resident) just get that based off the pink slip? Last time I did this, the US dealer provided a NY state temp permit which was good for 30 days.

#2. At the border, will they charge me GST and duties based on the Bill of sale or off the CDN equivalent? I know they will accept dealer appraisals but not sure about private. The tax difference will be about $2,000 if they were to use the CDN equivalent.

1- it would be depanding of the state where you gonna buy it, some states will issue temporary plates, some wont do it.
If you got your plates you are OK for driving accross the US\Canada/Mexico. You cant drive with no plates, or it depands of the law in the state you got your car, some allows 7 days (Fl) of driving with no plates. As far as you got your bill of sale and title you should head to local DMV and get plates.

If you buy off the private seller, ask him if he can lend you his plates till the border (some will do), however you will need to have your own insurance,if you cant get in the states, get at your home. CAA will do it after you provide them copy of your title etc. Call and ask.

If I would be you and I will need to drive soo far away I will get local plates and local insurance which I will cancel right away after I reach my home.

2.Off the canadian equivalent. Just get s ome confirmation that you paid exactly amount stated at your bill of sale.They can also arise your vehicle based on their point of view:lol:


Lets say you paid US$10K which is equal to $13K CAD. That amount is gonna be taken for all your duties.


...........I'm thinking of printing pages from autotrader.com and cars.com to proof that the price I paid is the going rate in the USA......


- This would be a good idea, I do the same.

[jed]

When I did mine, the border guy asked to see proof of payment - for me it was the bank draft I sent to the dealership and he used this along with the bill of sale.

[Somboa]

So to be safe, I should get plates. However, all DMV offices in California are closed on Fridays. :( I was initially going to go down on Saturday to pick the car up but can accommodate Friday to get to the DMV office but that doesn't help either. Sigh.

Does anyone know if the seller can get me temp plates like how a dealership normally does provided I fax him my Driver's License and proof of insurance? Does the ownership have to be signed over to me first before the DMV will provide temp plates?

[michelb]

So to be safe, I should get plates. However, all DMV offices in California are closed on Fridays. :( I was initially going to go down on Saturday to pick the car up but can accommodate Friday to get to the DMV office but that doesn't help either. Sigh.

Does anyone know if the seller can get me temp plates like how a dealership normally does provided I fax him my Driver's License and proof of insurance? Does the ownership have to be signed over to me first before the DMV will provide temp plates?

Obviously you'll want to double-check but I believe California charges you tax even if you purchase for export. I think Florida and a few other states are the same way; if you get a temp permit there, you have to pay the state tax. The common way around this is to have the vehicle delivered out of state.

[Albertan]

I think we should split this thread into two, with links to both threads in the original post.


Thread 1 - In the Motor Vehicles Forum - How to Import a US Car + Your Questions
Thread 2 - In Hot Deals - Deals on US Cars


This way, people who know how to import the cars can share tips on hot deals for US cars, and people who are new to the importing game can learn how and ask their questions in the other thread.

Mods?

[Albertan]

In the spirit of my hopes for this thread to change more to finding hot deals on US Cars, I will ask:

Where have all you already-imported folks had the best luck finding deals on good quality US cars?

In my experience, eBay is a huge bust, with prices easily 10-20% above autotrader, etc.

[james-007]

In the spirit of my hopes for this thread to change more to finding hot deals on US Cars, I will ask:

Where have all you already-imported folks had the best luck finding deals on good quality US cars?

In my experience, eBay is a huge bust, with prices easily 10-20% above autotrader, etc.

My best experience has been private sales. Look in the Autotrader and go for private sale.

[RandyOhhh]

In the spirit of my hopes for this thread to change more to finding hot deals on US Cars, I will ask:

Where have all you already-imported folks had the best luck finding deals on good quality US cars?

In my experience, eBay is a huge bust, with prices easily 10-20% above autotrader, etc.



I bought my car on ebay from a private seller. Get the purchase protection from ebay and the discount price from a private seller!

[michelb]

I bought my car on ebay from a private seller. Get the purchase protection from ebay and the discount price from a private seller!

I've bought 3 vehicles from eBay (car, boat and rv) but really wouldn't put much merit in the purchase protection. There might be a few situations where you'd get something useful out of it but for the most part, you won't get anything out of it.

[dP21]

Has anyone imported an Mercedes lately? I read that in the past it was a hassle since one needed to get the import letter from Mercedes only after having the changes made at their dealerships in Canada. Has this policy changed?

[rgc97]

Thanks for the reply. Regarding the second question, sorry I should have been more clear.

Do I pay GST and duties of the cdn value of what I paid my private seller or do the customs folks charge me based on what the equivalent car in Canada (of the red book) would cost? We're talking $23,000cdn (what I'll be paying) versus $33,000cdn (what the same cars locally are going for).

I'm thinking of printing pages from autotrader.com and cars.com to proof that the price I paid is the going rate in the USA.

It's based on what you paid. Just make sure you're honest about this. I had the dealer's sales invoice and that's what everyone uses for a new vehicle.

Some people have reported in this thread that they (or a friend) tried to 'low ball' the price they told Customs -- that will get you into trouble. Be honest -- you're saving LOTS of $$.

[medellru]

In the spirit of my hopes for this thread to change more to finding hot deals on US Cars, I will ask:

Where have all you already-imported folks had the best luck finding deals on good quality US cars?

In my experience, eBay is a huge bust, with prices easily 10-20% above autotrader, etc.

Usually I do Honda (twice) and Toyota (twice) from Boch in Boston, MA (Boch.com) they are #1 dealership on the planet, so they really want your deal. Price all the time below dealer`s invoice - 3% (PLZ DO NOT Consider it like AD). Mercedes is better to have from CA or Nevada, got mine 06 S class AMG from Manheim auction.

[medellru]

Has anyone imported an Mercedes lately? I read that in the past it was a hassle since one needed to get the import letter from Mercedes only after having the changes made at their dealerships in Canada. Has this policy changed?

I did all stuff in LA before inportation, paid nothing in Canada. If something will go wrong, it will just drive south to fix it. If you buy new Mers or bimmer you need a letter and it would hassle to get it, however get a finance and pay off after 3rd months and you would be fine.

[dP21]

I did all stuff in LA before inportation, paid nothing in Canada. If something will go wrong, it will just drive south to fix it. If you buy new Mers or bimmer you need a letter and it would hassle to get it, however get a finance and pay off after 3rd months and you would be fine.

Can you give me more info on why it was a hassle to get the import letter?

We don't plan on financing it, we plan on paying with cash. Hopefully the dealers in the US would be more interested in dealing since we are.

[bignasty28]

Sorry if this has been posted already but, has anyone tried using this site to buy and import their cars? http://www.gov-auctions.org/find_your_car.php

If so, any issues, comments, etc? With the rising Canadian dollar it seems more economical to get back into importing again.

[nornet]

How difficult is it to change the speedometer and odometer from imperial to metric? Is it digital?


edit: I am looking at an A4 and A6.

[dealcatcher]

How difficult is it to change the speedometer and odometer from imperial to metric? Is it digital?

depends on the vehicle..

[michelb]

I did all stuff in LA before inportation, paid nothing in Canada. If something will go wrong, it will just drive south to fix it. If you buy new Mers or bimmer you need a letter and it would hassle to get it, however get a finance and pay off after 3rd months and you would be fine.

Did you actually import the Mercedes into Canada? From your message in another thread (I might have the wrong person), sounds like you just registered it in the US and are driving it in Canada with the US plates.

[look30]

Sorry if this has been posted already but, has anyone tried using this site to buy and import their cars? http://www.gov-auctions.org/find_your_car.php

If so, any issues, comments, etc? With the rising Canadian dollar it seems more economical to get back into importing again.

Careful wehn they have deals too good to be true :

http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Crimes/Telemarketing/Inbound/MinorIn/HowTo/gov_auctions.htm

[nuknsltnt]

For those who have bought from Auto Traders, I have some questions:

1) What do they mean by Certified?

2) Is the price on the website final or is there any room for trading?

3) What is the typical process that you followed when buying the car?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Cheers,
N

edited: I got the definition from the Auto Trader website as follows:

"Certified Cars

A certified pre-owned car has passed a strict inspection by the original manufacturer and is backed by an extended warranty."

[fruzmatik]

How difficult is it to change the speedometer and odometer from imperial to metric? Is it digital?


edit: I am looking at an A4 and A6.

You would need to replace the entire cluster in order to have metric displays.

BUT, there is no need to change the cluster on Audi vehicles in order to import. Only BMW/Merc have these crazy rules ....

[dracore]

Anyone know of a good shipping depot near the Detroit-Windsor border?
I'd like to get some things shipped there and picked up on my way back when I import.

[spyhero]

http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?threadid=1471309

[nornet]

You would need to replace the entire cluster in order to have metric displays.

BUT, there is no need to change the cluster on Audi vehicles in order to import. Only BMW/Merc have these crazy rules ....

Thanks, I'm aware there is no reason to do so other than personal preference ie. driveability, resale, I was hoping it was a flick of the switch like the Corvette.

[dshul]

We are planning to buy Subaru Forester in US . I am looking for reliable dealership in US , preferably close to the border. Can anybody give me recommendations?

[yangweiba]

We are looking to buy a new 2010 Toyota Sienna from US. We're in GTA and have been calling lots of dealer in NY, Michigan and MA, they are either have no experience or simply says they cannot sell to Canadians.

Is there anyone bought a new car from US Toyota dealer recently?

YWB

[rjmbc]

We are planning to buy Subaru Forester in US . I am looking for reliable dealership in US , preferably close to the border. Can anybody give me recommendations?

Ihave one in Oregon, which may be a bit far away for you, however if you are interested, PM me

[rjmbc]

We are looking to buy a new 2010 Toyota Sienna from US. We're in GTA and have been calling lots of dealer in NY, Michigan and MA, they are either have no experience or simply says they cannot sell to Canadians.

Is there anyone bought a new car from US Toyota dealer recently?

YWB

I have one in Minnesota, Montana & Oregon. If you are interested PM me.

[Lonewolf1]

Try Subaru of Keene, NH. I bought a Tribeca from them this time last year and they were great to deal with.


We are planning to buy Subaru Forester in US . I am looking for reliable dealership in US , preferably close to the border. Can anybody give me recommendations?

[dshul]

Thanks Lonewolf1.

[fruzmatik]

We are planning to buy Subaru Forester in US . I am looking for reliable dealership in US , preferably close to the border. Can anybody give me recommendations?

Try Van Bortel or West Herr if you are looking in NY State.

I had a great experience with West Herr.

[rgc97]

We are planning to buy Subaru Forester in US . I am looking for reliable dealership in US , preferably close to the border. Can anybody give me recommendations?

Lots of RedFlag people have bought from Van Bortel in Rochester: http://www.vanbortelsubaru.com/

You can check past msgs in this forum, by searching on 'Van Bortel'.

[scrolllock]

The Registrar of Imported Vehicles reported last week to the folks at CarsWithoutBorders that the number of Vehicles imported into Canada from the US increased by 28% in June.

We would also like to let you know that there is an upsurge in Canadians heading south to look for good car deals. As many of you who frequent this site are aware. Our loonie is predicted to hit par by year end and we all know that our Canadian Car Companies can not or just refuse to offer Canadians Fair Pricing.



In light of this activity Serge and I have committed to become more active in pursuing our main objective.



Fair Automobile pricing for Canadians.



As a kick off I have accepted an invitation from Zack Spencer to participate on the �Driving with Zack� radio show this Sunday at 1:00 P.M. Eastern. So if you have some time this week-end please tune-in and support our cause.



For more details on the show and a look at some of our recent price comparisons between Canada and the US on the 2009 Honda Civic 8.92% , Toyota Rav4 6.5% and Camry 2010 xle 9.63% please visit.

[laron]

I'm interested in getting an Acura. Can anyone recommend a US dealer from which they bought an Acura relatively close to Ontario?

[Matty]

...As a kick off I have accepted an invitation from Zack Spencer to participate on the �Driving with Zack� radio show this Sunday at 1:00 P.M. Eastern. So if you have some time this week-end please tune-in and support our cause.

The show is "Driving with Zack Spencer", and it airs live at 10am Pacific, 11am Mountain, Noon Central and 1pm Eastern time (Zack's website doesn't actually mention what day of the week; may be different for each city).

It's on the Corus Radio Network, i.e.: CKNW-Vancouver 980 AM, CFAX-Victoria 1070 AM, CHNL-Kamloops 610 AM, CKOV-Kelowna 63o AM, CKOR-Penticton 800 AM, CJOR-Oliver, CHED-Edmonton 630 AM, CHQR-Calgary 770 AM, CKOM-Saskatoon, CJME-Regina, CJOB-Winnipeg 680 AM, CFPL-London 980 AM, CHML-Hamilton 900AM, CFMJ-Toronto 640AM.

[a in yul]

The show is "Driving with Zack Spencer", and it airs live at 10am Pacific, 11am Mountain, Noon Central and 1pm Eastern time (Zack's website doesn't actually mention what day of the week; may be different for each city).

It's on the Corus Radio Network, i.e.: CKNW-Vancouver 980 AM, CFAX-Victoria 1070 AM, CHNL-Kamloops 610 AM, CKOV-Kelowna 63o AM, CKOR-Penticton 800 AM, CJOR-Oliver, CHED-Edmonton 630 AM, CHQR-Calgary 770 AM, CKOM-Saskatoon, CJME-Regina, CJOB-Winnipeg 680 AM, CFPL-London 980 AM, CHML-Hamilton 900AM, CFMJ-Toronto 640AM.

good luck, no show times for Montreal..??

[Matty]

I'm interested in getting an Acura. Can anyone recommend a US dealer from which they bought an Acura relatively close to Ontario?

You didn't specify if new or used. If used, any US dealer of any brand will sell to Canadians.

[dracore]

I'm interested in getting an Acura. Can anyone recommend a US dealer from which they bought an Acura relatively close to Ontario?

Hi!

At this very moment I am sitting in a US Acura dealership reading RFD :-) I just purchased a used MDX.

The dealership I am in is Ed Napleton Acura in Illinois. So far I have to say is that they have been nice and even offered to drive me to/from the Greyhound station. I made the payment today but will pick up the vehicle next week so I will make them pick me up again :)

I will drive the vehicle back to Ontario - I think it will take about 10 hours?

[Crazy Canuck]

Hi!

At this very moment I am sitting in a US Acura dealership reading RFD :-) I just purchased a used MDX.

The dealership I am in is Ed Napleton Acura in Illinois. So far I have to say is that they have been nice and even offered to drive me to/from the Greyhound station. I made the payment today but will pick up the vehicle next week so I will make them pick me up again :)

I will drive the vehicle back to Ontario - I think it will take about 10 hours?

Depends where in Illy/Ont, Chi town to Ottawa is a little under 13 hrs.

[miss_swan]

We are looking to buy a new 2010 Toyota Sienna from US. We're in GTA and have been calling lots of dealer in NY, Michigan and MA, they are either have no experience or simply says they cannot sell to Canadians.

Is there anyone bought a new car from US Toyota dealer recently?

YWB

Have you checked the www.siennachat.com forums?

There used to be siennaclub.org but it's unfortunately gone now. Had some good info about people's experiences in importing cars.

[withinthemind]

Hello,
I would like to import a Mini Cooper in Canada. I have read about the steps and everything, and there seems to be one big problem. BMW/Mini are being asses when it comes to the whole compliance to the Canadian Safety regulations.

Does anyone have any idea of how much more will this cost on, let's say a 2005-2006 or 2007 model?


Thank you very much

[CalgaryJeremyK]

T


For more details on the show and a look at some of our recent price comparisons between Canada and the US on the 2009 Honda Civic 8.92% , Toyota Rav4 6.5% and Camry 2010 xle 9.63% please visit.

Trust me, I fully support the idea of fair pricing for Canadians. We seriously considered purchasing a Toyota Sienna in the US due to the 20% difference that existed at the time. (In the end, we found a low KM used 2008 Sienna that had the features we wanted in Canada so we didn't end up importing.)

That being said, I think it is important to keep the heat on the manufacturers who seem to be scaling back incentives but to do that, I think we need to keep the focus on vehicles where there really are significant differences or else it might come across that we are just complaining for the sake of complaining. I looked at the Camry price comparison on your website and for the Camry, a $4,000 price difference on a $40K car (i.e. the 10%) doesn't strike me as that extortionist given that there truly are costs to doing business in Canada and it wasn't that long ago that rates were below their current mark. Throughout much of the tail end of 2008 and into 2009 we were around the .80 mark or lower so I don't think it would be likely that we should expect cars to be priced at or near parity. As for the 10% premium above the current FX rate, part of that is that there are additional costs to running operations in Canada (we are a small market) AND more importantly, there is the risk that the FX rate will drop back down to .75 or so.

I would love to see would be fair pricing in Canada (take the US dollar price and add on 15-20% as this seems to be a fair rate given recent exchange rate fluctuations. Some of the prices discrepancies though (Acura MDX before the rebate for example) were on the order of 30 + percent.

MOST important though, I think that all impediments to selling to Canadians across the border should be removed. Honda/Acura should not be able to deny warranty coverage and the US dealers should not be told that they cannot sell to Canadians. There will always be Canadians willing to pay the 15 to 20% premium it takes to purchase cars in Canada BUT if we are willing to accept miles on our speedometers, there should not be any restrictions on car importation for those that want to save that premium, especially when the dollar is strong.

Just my thoughts. I really hate how you can't just buy from a Toyota dealer in the US (that also really factored into our decision to not import a Sienna) and that Honda doesn't honor the warranty. I don't need cars to be priced at parity as I think that is an unrealistic goal, but I do think intuitively (although it may not be the case legally) that the significant restraint of trade is appalling.

[brendonp]

Hello,
I would like to import a Mini Cooper in Canada. I have read about the steps and everything, and there seems to be one big problem. BMW/Mini are being asses when it comes to the whole compliance to the Canadian Safety regulations.

Does anyone have any idea of how much more will this cost on, let's say a 2005-2006 or 2007 model?


Thank you very much

I brought one in a couple of years back; got tagged with the $500 recall letter charge and wound up eating it; total costs at the time was:

sales price
+ exchange rate
+ taxes (13%)
+ duty (6.1%)
+ ~$200 to RIV
+ ~$100 for eTest/safety
+ $100 to BMW for DRLs/Metric switch (all programming)
+ $500 for recall letter.

All told, this was still about ~$6000 less then what I could find in Canada (and the US vehicle had more options and way less mileage then the cheaper ones on the autotrader - which doesn't take into account haggling!).

I haven't been following recently, but will be looking for another 05/06 Cooper S this winter (sold our '05 Cooper "S" for almost what we bought it for a couple of months ago!).

Fun car - good luck!

[scrolllock]

good luck, no show times for Montreal..??

For those of you in Eastern Canada that do not have access to the radio feed, the internet is a wonderful equalizer....

http://www.cknw.com/

[hesp]

possibly looking for a subaru in Seattle. I read about one dealership and the guy has a website. I forgot the dealership and his name but is he any good or is there other dealerships in Seattle that are better to deal with Canadian buyers?

Thanks

[angel_wing0]

can anyone show me a good nissan dealer in east us? Thanks.

[discodan]

can anyone show me a good nissan dealer in east us? Thanks. Michael Jordan Nissan in Durham, NC http://www.michaeljordannissan.com/. I bought a Used Jeep last year from them.

[angel_wing0]

Michael Jordan Nissan in Durham, NC http://www.michaeljordannissan.com/. I bought a Used Jeep last year from them.

thanks, see if they can get me a 370z :)

[michelb]

Hello,
I would like to import a Mini Cooper in Canada. I have read about the steps and everything, and there seems to be one big problem. BMW/Mini are being asses when it comes to the whole compliance to the Canadian Safety regulations.

Does anyone have any idea of how much more will this cost on, let's say a 2005-2006 or 2007 model?


Thank you very much

I brought one in a couple of years back; got tagged with the $500 recall letter charge and wound up eating it; total costs at the time was:

sales price
+ exchange rate
+ taxes (13%)
+ duty (6.1%)
+ ~$200 to RIV
+ ~$100 for eTest/safety
+ $100 to BMW for DRLs/Metric switch (all programming)
+ $500 for recall letter.

All told, this was still about ~$6000 less then what I could find in Canada (and the US vehicle had more options and way less mileage then the cheaper ones on the autotrader - which doesn't take into account haggling!).

I haven't been following recently, but will be looking for another 05/06 Cooper S this winter (sold our '05 Cooper "S" for almost what we bought it for a couple of months ago!).

Fun car - good luck!

You probably want to double check with BMW / Mini. I looked into it last summer for a friend and I was told that it would around $3k-$4k to convert a US-spec Mini (although at the time they were charging for the letter of admissibility which might be gone). From another post in the thread, since 2007, the speedo is mph or kph only and BMW will make you replace the console on import.

Good luck.

[CDNPatriot]

anyone import a Pontiac Vibe? I called a New York state dealer and they said no. But one in Pennsylvania was open to it as long as I had a PO Box.

Can I also get financing there?

[DarkCat]

http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?threadid=1471309

Jeeze, these deals are unbelievable!

Why am I the only one excited over them?

Is there a problem importing MB's into Canada?

[brendonp]

You probably want to double check with BMW / Mini. I looked into it last summer for a friend and I was told that it would around $3k-$4k to convert a US-spec Mini (although at the time they were charging for the letter of admissibility which might be gone). From another post in the thread, since 2007, the speedo is mph or kph only and BMW will make you replace the console on import.

Good luck.

Good advice - this would match with what BMW had been doing with the current generation of their models (ie, E9X vs older E46 chassis codes). With the "older" models, it was just the letter of admissability - which is just BMWspeak for we don't want to charge $500 for the recall letter and get into legal difficulties later, so we'll withhold the recall letter until you have a letter of admissability.... for which we'll charge you! I'd definitely check - I picked up an LR3 last winter and they had dropped the same bogus $2k "inspection" to get the recall letter, which was a nice bonus...

[scrolllock]

Good advice - this would match with what BMW had been doing with the current generation of their models (ie, E9X vs older E46 chassis codes). With the "older" models, it was just the letter of admissability - which is just BMWspeak for we don't want to charge $500 for the recall letter and get into legal difficulties later, so we'll withhold the recall letter until you have a letter of admissability.... for which we'll charge you! I'd definitely check - I picked up an LR3 last winter and they had dropped the same bogus $2k "inspection" to get the recall letter, which was a nice bonus...

We found the following at http://ucanimport.blogspot.com/

BMW Recall Clearance Letters Available For Importers
UCanImport Reader Provides Advise To Importers



I just imported a 2007 BMW 328i convertible from the U.S and the BMW dealerships here in Toronto told me I had to pay $500 for a recall letter and then $2500 for the instrument cluster to change it to km/hr, and then another $300 for day light running lamps. Thats almost $3500+! BMW is getting ridiculous.

Luckily I found a shop here in Toronto that gets recall letters from an internal BMW employee for $400 flat fee, his email is bmw@cagossip.com

NOTE: UCanImport has not verified the validity of this process and asks importers to use caution when sending money to an unknown party.

Note CarsWithoutBorders would stongly advise Canadian Purchasers to obtain the recall letter from the selling dealer prior to purchasing the vehicle. Use it as part of your negotiating tactics.

[hooky]

possibly looking for a subaru in Seattle. I read about one dealership and the guy has a website. I forgot the dealership and his name but is he any good or is there other dealerships in Seattle that are better to deal with Canadian buyers?

Thanks

I think you are referring to Carter Subaru. http://www.cars101.com/

[hesp]

I think you are referring to Carter Subaru. http://www.cars101.com/

Thanks

[brendonp]

We found the following at http://ucanimport.blogspot.com/

BMW Recall Clearance Letters Available For Importers
UCanImport Reader Provides Advise To Importers



I just imported a 2007 BMW 328i convertible from the U.S and the BMW dealerships here in Toronto told me I had to pay $500 for a recall letter and then $2500 for the instrument cluster to change it to km/hr, and then another $300 for day light running lamps. Thats almost $3500+! BMW is getting ridiculous.

Luckily I found a shop here in Toronto that gets recall letters from an internal BMW employee for $400 flat fee, his email is bmw@cagossip.com

NOTE: UCanImport has not verified the validity of this process and asks importers to use caution when sending money to an unknown party.

Note CarsWithoutBorders would stongly advise Canadian Purchasers to obtain the recall letter from the selling dealer prior to purchasing the vehicle. Use it as part of your negotiating tactics.

Very interesting to know; I understood that RIV was instructed by BMW not to accept recall letters without as Canadian dealer "stamp" - ie, you couldn't use the recall letter from a US dealership. I did look closely at our recall on the Mini and it was actually sourced from the US head office and was litterally simply a fax stamped by the local stealership. That being said, I might try grabbing a recall letter from a US dealership anyway, as I'm looking at importing a 335i in the next year or so. As for the instrument cluster, there is definitely a German company that also creates metric gauge for just about all BMW models; they run roughly 100 Euros + shipping from Germany and look completely stock (or non-stock, if that's your cup of tea) - replacement time is less then an hour to switch them out; replacing the entire cluster sounds a bit like a scam...

BTW, DRLs was $55 CAD for me on the Mini, and flipping the displays to metric (not available via the OBC like many other BMWs) was $45 CAD - from BMW of Waterloo in the summer of '07. The recall letter was actually "free" and was included with the letter of admissability along with a Carfax report (not sure why the send this after you've already imported!).

[thornyhill]

Why not start a new thread?

[shopper-X]

Why not start a new thread?

So people can start asking all the same questions over again? The wealth of information in this thread would be lost because of a new thread.
People really need to start using the "Search This Tread" option (available to registered users only).

[hesp]

ok i just read all the reviews of Subaru dealerships in Washington State and they were all pretty much negative. Anyone buy one down there and can recommend one?

Thanks

[shopper-X]

ok i just read all the reviews of Subaru dealerships in Washington State and they were all pretty much negative. Anyone buy one down there and can recommend one?

Thanks

I used Kendall Subaru in Eugene, Oregon. They made the process simple.

[bionicbadger]

ok i just read all the reviews of Subaru dealerships in Washington State and they were all pretty much negative. Anyone buy one down there and can recommend one?

Thanks

I bought mine from Joe who runs that cars101 website. He was all business. I was in and out of the dealership in less than an hour, and over 1/2 that time was sitting in the car and having him show me stuff like calibrating the compass in the rearview mirror. He had all the paperwork done ready and waiting to be signed, detailed instructions on the import process, what to have ready, what to fax ahead to the border. It was very smooth.

When I dealt with him it was all business. You have to know exactly what you want before talking to him. He wont waste time trying to sell you stuff you never asked for or try to talk you into something else, you have to say "I want car model X, trim level Y, colour Z with options A,B,C"

[Monsieurmaggot]

So in a matter of a few weeks, I have received over 100 emails from business-savvy folks asking about getting information on my FAQ list.

It's posted in the VERY FIRST thread on this site and on www.carburner.com (albeit I haven't updated that in months but I'm sure others on that site have).

The dollar once again is trading over .90 cents and US car sales to Canadians has gone up dramatically. I once again expect to hear about the truckload of Siennas being bought by Canadian Toyota dealers in the US and sold here at huge profits. (you know who you are mr. Ottawa-area Toyota dealers)

A Buffalo-area car dealer told me that almost half his business in the past week was from Canadians shopping around. That's not to say they are selling a lot of cars, just that Canadians are back in the US showrooms!

Yeah.

If the Canadian dollars continues it's strong rise, then you know the importation process will once again be unstoppable.

Two years ago almost 200,000 Canadians imported cars from the US. That number fell dramatically when the economy and the dollar took a dump last year.

[hesp]

I bought mine from Joe who runs that cars101 website. He was all business. I was in and out of the dealership in less than an hour, and over 1/2 that time was sitting in the car and having him show me stuff like calibrating the compass in the rearview mirror. He had all the paperwork done ready and waiting to be signed, detailed instructions on the import process, what to have ready, what to fax ahead to the border. It was very smooth.

When I dealt with him it was all business. You have to know exactly what you want before talking to him. He wont waste time trying to sell you stuff you never asked for or try to talk you into something else, you have to say "I want car model X, trim level Y, colour Z with options A,B,C"

Sounds good. I just emailed him for some info

[hesp]

I found a subaru that Im interested in. Talked to the subaru used car dealer and he say they bought it from an auction because the guy couldnt make payments on it so basically it was repoed.

The compared prices with other local dealers and this car is about $3000 cheaper something similiar. Should I be concerned or is this a good deal?

[jed]

Could be true, could be BS. Check your area for valuations to compare. They are different all around the country, so YMMV.

[pimpf]

Sounds good. I just emailed him for some info

I bought my Legacy a couple of years ago from Eastside Subaru. They're located in Kirkland, WA, so it's a bit closer to the Canadian border than Carter (only 20 mins though). Eastside has lifetime oil change so I go down when it's time and use it as an excuse to spend a day doing some US shopping. :lol:

[hesp]

I found a subaru that Im interested in. Talked to the subaru used car dealer and he say they bought it from an auction because the guy couldnt make payments on it so basically it was repoed.

The compared prices with other local dealers and this car is about $3000 cheaper something similiar. Should I be concerned or is this a good deal?

Found out it was sold already. Why can't these dealers update their website!!!

[jgib01]

Anyone know if a Suzuki Equator is importable? I could not find it on the "RIV list", though am wondering if that is because it is such a new vehicle. From what I can tell from my online inquiring, it is built by Nissan in Tennessee, and is essentially a re-branded version of the Frontier. Nice thing is, Suzuki seems to honour warranty on a brand new vehicleimported into Canada, whereas Nissan doesn't until a vehicle is 6 months old. US warranty seems to be longer too (7yr/100k mile), though I don't know how that will translate on this side of the 49th (Suzuki Canada's warranty is 5yr/100k km).

[03terminator]

Anyone have a Toyota dealer on West Coast that sells*new???
PM me thanks

[michelb]

Anyone know if a Suzuki Equator is importable? I could not find it on the "RIV list", though am wondering if that is because it is such a new vehicle. From what I can tell from my online inquiring, it is built by Nissan in Tennessee, and is essentially a re-branded version of the Frontier. Nice thing is, Suzuki seems to honour warranty on a brand new vehicleimported into Canada, whereas Nissan doesn't until a vehicle is 6 months old. US warranty seems to be longer too (7yr/100k mile), though I don't know how that will translate on this side of the 49th (Suzuki Canada's warranty is 5yr/100k km).

I believe that until it's on the list as admissible, you can't import it (unless you are prepared to do a bunch work yourself (e.g. Scotti's in Montreal imports Lotus Elises) and it can take months for it to get on the list. As far as the warranty, other manufacturers seem to only offer the warranty they have in Canada (in the best cases) so you'd probably only get the 5/100km although the US warranty would probably remain valid if you take the vehicle back there.

[marklin]

Anyone have a Toyota dealer on West Coast that sells*new???
PM me thanks

+1 for the east coast, thanks.. :)

[wall-E]

I haven't gone through all the hundreds of pages in this thread, but are there are dealers/anyone here in GTA who would import a car for you? I don't have the time to go through all the administrative headaches.

[uncle_odb]

I bought my Legacy a couple of years ago from Eastside Subaru. They're located in Kirkland, WA, so it's a bit closer to the Canadian border than Carter (only 20 mins though). Eastside has lifetime oil change so I go down when it's time and use it as an excuse to spend a day doing some US shopping. :lol:

I also made my Subaru Tribeca purchase through Eastside Subaru a couple of years ago. Very good service and yes, slightly closer than Carter Subaru. I would have loved to deal with Joe at Carter (due to the high feedback), but he was super busy when I tried buying the Tribeca through him. And yes, the lifetime oil changes is offered, but I won't be driving that far just for an oil change. :lol:

[bogi093]

I'm looking at a Civic si and there was one in Illinois (private sale) for $8000, its a CRAZY deal and it had lowish millage. I have no idea how to do this... My cousin there has a dealer liscence so if anything is wrong he can fix and tune it up. What will the total cost be?
Do I pay taxes on how much I paid? or its value in Canada? Do I have to do any emmisions test? Can anyone find out what the total cost with plates and everything included be?

[doublearon]

I haven't gone through all the hundreds of pages in this thread, but are there are dealers/anyone here in GTA who would import a car for you? I don't have the time to go through all the administrative headaches.

I've heard of a company called Importtrader. I guess they bring in new and used cars from the US. Just do a google search on them.

[shadowsteve]

I'm looking at a Civic si and there was one in Illinois (private sale) for $8000, its a CRAZY deal and it had lowish millage. I have no idea how to do this... My cousin there has a dealer liscence so if anything is wrong he can fix and tune it up. What will the total cost be?
Do I pay taxes on how much I paid? or its value in Canada? Do I have to do any emmisions test? Can anyone find out what the total cost with plates and everything included be?

Read up on the info at riv.ca and then do some searching on Google, all the info is there.

Basically: send paperwork to the US border 72 hrs in advance for export clearance (note that they are only open M-F business hours so keep this in mind for crossing in). pickup the xport clearance. go to Canada Customs, pay GST & air tax if equipped. get the riv clearance done at CTire, insure the car, certify the car, register the car in your name and pay PST. get a driveclean done. End

[hesp]

Well I looked a the Tribeca on the weekend and it was too small for my liking. Went thru the automall and found out that I really liked the Honda Pilot.
Was looking at Washington State for some deals but im really concerned abouty the warranty since it would be void if I imported from US but I would save thousands.

Is this a good compromise?

[bkushner]

We found the following at http://ucanimport.blogspot.com/

BMW Recall Clearance Letters Available For Importers
UCanImport Reader Provides Advise To Importers



I just imported a 2007 BMW 328i convertible from the U.S and the BMW dealerships here in Toronto told me I had to pay $500 for a recall letter and then $2500 for the instrument cluster to change it to km/hr, and then another $300 for day light running lamps. Thats almost $3500+! BMW is getting ridiculous.

Luckily I found a shop here in Toronto that gets recall letters from an internal BMW employee for $400 flat fee, his email is bmw@cagossip.com

NOTE: UCanImport has not verified the validity of this process and asks importers to use caution when sending money to an unknown party.

Note CarsWithoutBorders would stongly advise Canadian Purchasers to obtain the recall letter from the selling dealer prior to purchasing the vehicle. Use it as part of your negotiating tactics.
You shouldn't post his email address, he will get hammered and the deal will end.

[petergun]

Yes, I'm flogging a dead horse, but ...

does Honda honor warranty on imported used vehicles that were used for 6+ months in the US, or is the first page's information now null and void ?

My retired father is looking to buy a used '07 Honda Element, and this is bit of information is hard to nail down, given most answers aim for new cars.

[goodzyk]

Honda will not honour warranty on US sourced Honda's new or used...ya takes your chances...so far I've lucked out (new Pilot, used Accord)

[freewheel]

Was considering doing the import thing again with an Acura MDX or Honda Pilot. Started checking around for prices. I noticed prices at a GTA Honda dealer for Pilot's that were very competative with U.S. prices.

Checked into it. Team Honda Powerhouse of Milton is selling U.S. sourced Pilots with NO warranty. Just like you brought them in your self.

Sometimes feel like I don't want to buy anything, let them all go down the tubes.

[hesp]

Honda will not honour warranty on US sourced Honda's new or used...ya takes your chances...so far I've lucked out (new Pilot, used Accord)

May I asked what kind of deal you got on the Pilot? Is it a 2009?

[goodzyk]

bought a 2006 pilot new in late summer 06 out of Washington state..exl no nav, 28,335 USD on a unit that sold for close to 50k CDN here ..after all in saved about 13k CAD. Though no warranty, Honda dealer up here did get covered a TSB on a timing belt idler pulley TSB...so you never know...

[wall-E]

bought a 2006 pilot new in late summer 06 out of Washington state..exl no nav, 28,335 USD on a unit that sold for close to 50k CDN here ..after all in saved about 13k CAD. Though no warranty, Honda dealer up here did get covered a TSB on a timing belt idler pulley TSB...so you never know...

was the import difficult?

[goodzyk]

import process not difficult -just need to follow the process/timelines as outlined here and other threads, no short cuts, lots of communication to ensure you have a level of trust with the seller...and hope the CDN dollar is up when you have to convert to US $$$....:lol: I also imported an 06 mx-5 Miata last fall...and would do it again based on need and cost savings...

[freewheel]

I imported a used BMW in 2007 relatively easily. I have begun to look for a Honda Pilot or Acura MDX recently. I have been lokking for a used 2006 in the ares around New York, Virginia. I have been getting refusals of dealers to sell me a used car unless I register and insure it in the U.S.. Is this a new Honda policy?

If it is I will NEVER buy a Honda on either side of the border.

[sc00ter77]

Hi Guys,
Anyone had any success buying a new tacoma from the states? I'm located west coast and wondering if anyone can recommend a good dealer.
Thanks

[hesp]

I imported a used BMW in 2007 relatively easily. I have begun to look for a Honda Pilot or Acura MDX recently. I have been lokking for a used 2006 in the ares around New York, Virginia. I have been getting refusals of dealers to sell me a used car unless I register and insure it in the U.S.. Is this a new Honda policy?

If it is I will NEVER buy a Honda on either side of the border.

No, its more of the dealer policy. Here in the west coast ; they are willing to sell used ones

[diabolo]

I used Kendall Subaru in Eugene, Oregon. They made the process simple.

Can please elaborate on that. I am looking for one. Do they help in shipping too or did you pick it up ?

[freewheel]

No, its more of the dealer policy. Here in the west coast ; they are willing to sell used ones

Thanks, I'll keep looking.

[dracore]

I imported a used BMW in 2007 relatively easily. I have begun to look for a Honda Pilot or Acura MDX recently. I have been lokking for a used 2006 in the ares around New York, Virginia. I have been getting refusals of dealers to sell me a used car unless I register and insure it in the U.S.. Is this a new Honda policy?

If it is I will NEVER buy a Honda on either side of the border.

I just purchased and imported a used 2008 MDX just last week and it is now sitting in my company's parking lot. I insured it under my regular auto insurance company. The dealer had no problems with me registering the vehicle with a canadian address. Dealership was in Illinois. The only thing that is not covered is the warranty but I guess if I need to have any warranty work done, I might as well drive to a dealership in buffalo.

[dracore]

Read up on the info at riv.ca and then do some searching on Google, all the info is there.

Basically: send paperwork to the US border 72 hrs in advance for export clearance (note that they are only open M-F business hours so keep this in mind for crossing in). pickup the xport clearance. go to Canada Customs, pay GST & air tax if equipped. get the riv clearance done at CTire, insure the car, certify the car, register the car in your name and pay PST. get a driveclean done. End

Just a clarification on the 72hrs. This is dependent on which border location you are going to cross.
I crossed the Detroit-Michigan border and they are open 24/7 weekdays and weekends for importing vehicles. The 72hrs here at this location can include weekends.

Other border crossings like buffalo/niagara may be open M-F and 72hrs means 3 business days. I may not be 100% correct about buffalo/niagara because I didn't cross there. Do some googling and make sure you call the border and check with them.

[PJ311]

What website are you guys using for cars n trucks for sale in the US.

[Terrific_Deals2k8]

Are the savings still worth it given our current exchange rate? I'm looking at buying a used BMW 335i from the U.S.

Any suggestions for where to look and who are the "most trusted" dealers? Cheers!

[goodzyk]

I think the most popular car sites are cars.com and autotrader.com..besides ebay..

[HP_John]

Are the savings still worth it given our current exchange rate? I'm looking at buying a used BMW 335i from the U.S.

Any suggestions for where to look and who are the "most trusted" dealers? Cheers!

Just something to keep in mind, currently, on new 335i sedan, there is a $7500 cash deal rebate in Canada (that is a huge rebate, I don't think it's ever been that high on the 335i). That is on top of any dealer discount (somewhere in the range of another $4000 I believe if you play your cards right). If you buy in the US, you have to pay the full amount upfront anyway, so it's the same thing as a "cash deal". There is also 6.1% duty to consider. When you buy used from the US, there is no cash deal rebate, so I imagine in the case of the 335i, it's probably worth it to get it in Canada.

[Terrific_Deals2k8]

Just something to keep in mind, currently, on new 335i sedan, there is a $7500 cash deal rebate in Canada (that is a huge rebate, I don't think it's ever been that high on the 335i). That is on top of any dealer discount (somewhere in the range of another $4000 I believe if you play your cards right). If you buy in the US, you have to pay the full amount upfront anyway, so it's the same thing as a "cash deal". There is also 6.1% duty to consider. When you buy used from the US, there is no cash deal rebate, so I imagine in the case of the 335i, it's probably worth it to get it in Canada.

Thanks for the enlightening information! :D
Saved me some homework and a trip down to the States.

[allknowing]

Just imported my 2nd vehicle - not quite the same deal 18months ago .. but I purchased a Hydro Blue RL Sky - something that simply isn't available at all in Canada. Didn't save much, if any, on the total cost. But thats ok..
*Note* Saturn was unable to sell me new anywhere near the boarder - I had to go south, way south, to get the deal. They faxed the title the 72hrs ahead and provided the temp tags, then got to the boarder (Queenston/Lewiston), and had no problems. US stamped the titled and I crossed to customs. Filled out the form, paid the GST. Got home, riv.ca and paid the $200 - I had a copy of the vehicle inquiry form from the dealer showing no defects, faxed that into RIV. Later that afternoon, I received the 2nd form. Went to Canadian Tire, had safety, etest (just to be sure) and the 2nd form done. Went to license bureau, paid pst and received plates.
A note about insurance - the insurance folks were not able to get me signed up prior to me leaving - the vin wasn't valid since the car isnt available in Canada but they did note that *you are insured for 14 days from purchase on any vehicle at the same coverage as your current vehicle automatically*. So I didn't need specific insurance for the new car *but* I did have to have a pink ins. card (not for the new vehicle but to prove you have insurance) when I went to get the car and for the drive back.

Hope that helps some folks.. oh and Saturn provides full warranty work starting 6 months after your first Saturn maintenance/oil change/whatever.

D.

[jed]

Seems like GM is being a bit $hitty in their warranty in US vehicles. I have an Uplander, purchased in GA. Had an issue with the power sliding door and also noticed that the Chevy emblems were delaminating from the inside.

Dealer told me they wouldn't warranty trim items because its a US vehicle. Total warranty is total, I thought. So I called Customer Assistance and they confirmed. Mechanical is no problem, but they will not warranty the Chevy emblems.

[oFlash0]

I'm looking to import a 09 Lancer GTS, most likely out of Detroit. Has anyone here done this as of yet?

I looked the vehicle up on RIV and it says it is admissable - does this mean that it meets canadian safety standards and no vehicle modifiction is necessary?
I have found that the warranty isn't honoured for imported mitsu's - if i were to take it back to the states for any issues, would they still honour it?

I have also read that dealers in the states negotiate differently than here in Canada. I priced one out on the mitsu US website, cost came to 24k Amc. How much can i expect to negotiate this down by (including cash payment discount(s) )?

Once i reach the border, i pay taxes (pst and gst?) plus RIV fee - are there any other additional costs I can expect?

Thanks in advance!

[dracore]

I'm looking to import a 09 Lancer GTS, most likely out of Detroit. Has anyone here done this as of yet?

I looked the vehicle up on RIV and it says it is admissable - does this mean that it meets canadian safety standards and no vehicle modifiction is necessary?
I have found that the warranty isn't honoured for imported mitsu's - if i were to take it back to the states for any issues, would they still honour it?

I have also read that dealers in the states negotiate differently than here in Canada. I priced one out on the mitsu US website, cost came to 24k Amc. How much can i expect to negotiate this down by (including cash payment discount(s) )?

Once i reach the border, i pay taxes (pst and gst?) plus RIV fee - are there any other additional costs I can expect?

Thanks in advance!

I imported my MDX about 2 weeks ago out of Detroit.

I don't have any answers about mitsu's, but for Acura, I do not have warranty in Canada either. However, I heard that if I do need to get any warranty work done, I can go to the US to do that. So that means drive to buffalo.

When you reach detroit border you will pay GST and A/C fee. Mitsu's are made in Japan? You may need to pay an additional 6.1% duty if it is.
You may be able to pay the $200 RIV fee as well but you can do that when you get home if you want.. it doesn't need to be done at the border.
You will only pay PST when you get your vehicle licensed at the MTO office (after you have completed Form 1 and Form 2 inspection)

[oFlash0]

^thanks for the fast response

what about these recall clearance letters I've read about on here, are they needed for all vehicles, or just certain ones? How do i find out if one is needed for a lancer?

[dracore]

^thanks for the fast response

what about these recall clearance letters I've read about on here, are they needed for all vehicles, or just certain ones? How do i find out if one is needed for a lancer?

RIV requires it for all vehicles that you are importing. You will have to obtain a copy from the dealer or from the manufacturer.

[XterraJunky]

Hi all hope you can give me some guidance on my question below. First off I want to thank all your posts regarding importing a new vehicle from the US.

My homework: I'm looking to purchase a new 2010 Xterra from the US and from what I understand I need to title the vehicle in the state where i purchased the xterra then re-title it in Canada to secure Nissan warranty. Is this true? and does anyone have issues with not paying state taxes in Michigan? I've also come across what is called a "Green Levy tax" which is now imposed on vehicles using more than 13L per 100klm and the fees can go as high as 4000 $ at the border. The xterra does comply and will not be taxed a green levy, just wondering why I didn't see any posts regarding this issue.

Has anyone purchased from a Nissan dealer in either NY, Michigan or Vermont?
These seem to be the shortest route from my home.

Much appreciated

[nornet]

Well I looked a the Tribeca on the weekend and it was too small for my liking. Went thru the automall and found out that I really liked the Honda Pilot.
Was looking at Washington State for some deals but im really concerned abouty the warranty since it would be void if I imported from US but I would save thousands.

Is this a good compromise?

New car warranty is overemphasized in opinion. I assumed that the warranty was void when I brought my first vehicle in (2006) but it turns out it wasn't. Collectively all my new cars over 28 years have required about $1000 worth of work. This includes VWs, Nissans, Fords, Subarus (2), and GM.

[johnsa]

I am considering importing a 2009 Tribeca (used) Does anyone have recent experience on the warranty status? Latest was you pay for the work submit bill to Subaru USA...

[ottawausite]

It has $3200 cash incentive now, so I want to buy a new one. I am in toronto, is there a good US subaru dealer to recommend? thx:D

[nuknsltnt]

Does anyone recommend a good Lexus dealer in the US? I live in the GTA and am looking or a Used Lexus.

Thanks,
N

[Albertan]

Canadians are not eligable for the subaru cah rebates. Subaru usa is smacking down any dealers who sell to cdns

[kplange]

Just imported my 2nd vehicle - not quite the same deal 18months ago .. but I purchased a Hydro Blue RL Sky - something that simply isn't available at all in Canada. Didn't save much, if any, on the total cost. But thats ok..
*Note* Saturn was unable to sell me new anywhere near the boarder - I had to go south, way south, to get the deal. They faxed the title the 72hrs ahead and provided the temp tags, then got to the boarder (Queenston/Lewiston), and had no problems. US stamped the titled and I crossed to customs. Filled out the form, paid the GST. Got home, riv.ca and paid the $200 - I had a copy of the vehicle inquiry form from the dealer showing no defects, faxed that into RIV. Later that afternoon, I received the 2nd form. Went to Canadian Tire, had safety, etest (just to be sure) and the 2nd form done. Went to license bureau, paid pst and received plates.
A note about insurance - the insurance folks were not able to get me signed up prior to me leaving - the vin wasn't valid since the car isnt available in Canada but they did note that *you are insured for 14 days from purchase on any vehicle at the same coverage as your current vehicle automatically*. So I didn't need specific insurance for the new car *but* I did have to have a pink ins. card (not for the new vehicle but to prove you have insurance) when I went to get the car and for the drive back.

Hope that helps some folks.. oh and Saturn provides full warranty work starting 6 months after your first Saturn maintenance/oil change/whatever.

D.

Did Crappy Tire charge you for the DTRL module, since you are able to turn your DTRL's off on U.S. made cars? I got charged $283, so that my DTRL's cannot be turned off. Problem is that their micky mouse module turns all my lights on when I'm driving (tail lights, side marker lights, headlights- full power). I've since pulled the fuse on their "fix" and returned to U.S. standards.

[miss_swan]

Hi Guys,
Anyone had any success buying a new tacoma from the states? I'm located west coast and wondering if anyone can recommend a good dealer.
Thanks

Check the Toyota sites/forums ... it's been awhile, but last time I checked Toyota's warranty was North America-wide but I may be wrong ... at the very least Toyota USA most likely frowns heavily on US dealerships selling to Canadians ... but i've heard of dealers selling Siennas to Canadians before and has been documented heavily at some sites (like siennaclub.org which is now defunct though)

[james-007]

Did Crappy Tire charge you for the DTRL module, since you are able to turn your DTRL's off on U.S. made cars? I got charged $283, so that my DTRL's cannot be turned off. Problem is that their micky mouse module turns all my lights on when I'm driving (tail lights, side marker lights, headlights- full power). I've since pulled the fuse on their "fix" and returned to U.S. standards.

Never let Crappy Tire work on your vehicle. Those guys don't know what they are doing. Make Google your best friend and DIY.

[sc00ter77]

I received an email from Toyota and they confirmed that the warranty is covered in both the states and Canada. I've read lots of forums but no one really talks about actually being successful in brining a Tacoma over the boarder.



Check the Toyota sites/forums ... it's been awhile, but last time I checked Toyota's warranty was North America-wide but I may be wrong ... at the very least Toyota USA most likely frowns heavily on US dealerships selling to Canadians ... but i've heard of dealers selling Siennas to Canadians before and has been documented heavily at some sites (like siennaclub.org which is now defunct though)

[james-007]

I received an email from Toyota and they confirmed that the warranty is covered in both the states and Canada. I've read lots of forums but no one really talks about actually being successful in brining a Tacoma over the boarder.

I imported 2004 Tacoma last year without any issues. As long as the vehicle is on the RIV list there are no issues.

[sc00ter77]

Hi,
I'm looking for a new Tacoma, and to my knowledge they are on RIV list. I was curious if anyone had used a reputable dealer in the Washington State area.


I imported 2004 Tacoma last year without any issues. As long as the vehicle is on the RIV list there are no issues.

[sc00ter77]

So I just received an email from a dealer in Washington State.

'Toyotas sold to Canadian customers must be Pre-Owned. According to regulations set by Toyota, all new Toyota models can only be sold by US dealers to US customers.'

Does anyone know if this is really the case?

[cwinter]

I imported a 2007 Toyota Sienna a year ago.

The vehicle was less than one year old when I bought it and had just over 10,000miles (approx 16,000kms)

It wasn't new...but as close to new as you can get!

Warranty is valid at my local dealer although Toyota Canada suggested I check with my local dealer to make sure.

Smooth process!

[james-007]

Hi,
I'm looking for a new Tacoma, and to my knowledge they are on RIV list. I was curious if anyone had used a reputable dealer in the Washington State area.
I had bought my through a private sale, save myself around $3 k compared to a dealer. If you want a dealer try Magic Toyota (http://www.magictoyota.com/) almost 3 years I bought new Highlander from them. They don't sell new vehicles to Canadians anymore.

[Scotty70]

So I just received an email from a dealer in Washington State.

'Toyotas sold to Canadian customers must be Pre-Owned. According to regulations set by Toyota, all new Toyota models can only be sold by US dealers to US customers.'

Does anyone know if this is really the case?

That is what I was told when I was looking. I found a way to get around it for about $800.00, which still left me with a significant saving. A friend just brought a Toyota Tacoma in from Minnesota the same way about a month ago.

Just review the prior posts on this website.

[tcharged]

what is required to import a newer BMW from the USA (2004 and up) or a 335i? Do you still have to have the cluster changed?? I know you have to get the Recall Clearance letter, pay tax and duty 6.1%, RIV fee, what else?

[kplange]

Never let Crappy Tire work on your vehicle. Those guys don't know what they are doing. Make Google your best friend and DIY.

Actually, I've known that since I was a teenager, some forty years ago, and I haven't had them service any of my automobiles since. Unfortunately, I was under the impression that Crappy Tire was the only "approved" inspection centre for RIV, so I reluctantly went to them. I never took my eyes off the car while it was in there.

[sc00ter77]

Thanks for all your help and tips on the Toyota issue!

[james-007]

Actually, I've known that since I was a teenager, some forty years ago, and I haven't had them service any of my automobiles since. Unfortunately, I was under the impression that Crappy Tire was the only "approved" inspection centre for RIV, so I reluctantly went to them. I never took my eyes off the car while it was in there.

Yes, they are the only "approved" inspection center for RIV but that does not mean you have to get them to fix the issues. Just like provincial inspection in BC you can get any approved facility do that. Crappy Tire charges something like $125. With all 3 of my imports I paid $68 each including taxes. Always find out ahead of time what issues you are going to have get them fixed than take the vehicle to CT.

[Albertan]

To all you US-importing veterans:

I am looking to pickup something from the US for my mum that fits the following requirements

2008 or newer
AWD/4WD
Compact SUV-ish (Vibe, etc good as well)
Warranty must transfer
Under $16k


Is there anything down there that fits these requirements, or am I being unrealistic?

[doublearon]

Yes, they are the only "approved" inspection center for RIV but that does not mean you have to get them to fix the issues. Just like provincial inspection in BC you can get any approved facility do that. Crappy Tire charges something like $125. With all 3 of my imports I paid $68 each including taxes. Always find out ahead of time what issues you are going to have get them fixed than take the vehicle to CT.

Canadian Tire is not the only place to get an inspection. RIV has changed their website and used to have a list of all approved inspection locations that were not Canadian Tire. Here is a link to EVERY inspection centre, http://www.riv.ca/en-US/RIVInspectionLoc.aspx

If you choose the drop down on the RIV Inspection page you will find that there are locations that are not Canadian Tire. (All depends on your location)

[sermarkat]

I am going to import in few days thry Champlain 2007 Honda Ridgeline which I bought in 2007 brand new and since that time it was in the US. What headach I might have at the border with the paper work? What should I expect from CBSA and what total amount they are going to use for taxes?

[dracore]

I am going to import in few days thry Champlain 2007 Honda Ridgeline which I bought in 2007 brand new and since that time it was in the US. What headach I might have at the border with the paper work? What should I expect from CBSA and what total amount they are going to use for taxes?

If you have all the paper work ahead of time as required, it will be a breeze.

Make sure you have your title, proof of payment, receipt, bill of sale with you and you'll be good.

They will use the final price you paid in USD and do the conversion to CAD on the spot. GST will be calculated from the CAD total.

[HP_John]

what is required to import a newer BMW from the USA (2004 and up) or a 335i? Do you still have to have the cluster changed?? I know you have to get the Recall Clearance letter, pay tax and duty 6.1%, RIV fee, what else?

Just something to keep in mind, currently, on new 335i sedan, there is a $7500 cash deal rebate in Canada (that is a huge rebate, I don't think it's ever been that high on the 335i). That is on top of any dealer discount (somewhere in the range of another $4000 I believe if you play your cards right). If you buy in the US, you have to pay the full amount upfront anyway, so it's the same thing as a "cash deal". There is also 6.1% duty to consider. When you buy used from the US, there is no cash deal rebate, so I imagine in the case of the 335i, it's probably worth it to get it in Canada.

[sermarkat]

If you have all the paper work ahead of time as required, it will be a breeze.

Make sure you have your title, proof of payment, receipt, bill of sale with you and you'll be good.

They will use the final price you paid in USD and do the conversion to CAD on the spot. GST will be calculated from the CAD total.

Thanks for your inputs, just wanna make clear few points:

So if in 2007 I paid around US$ 28K they will go from there, they wont consider the current tax value with some depreciation? Local city hall where it registered charges exise tax every year, so in 2008 it was only 18K, should I argue about that with CBSA guys if they will charge me more?

Also, I will have only the title which is currently in the US customs (they asked me to send the original) and copy of motor vehicle purchase contract, also I do have exise tax form for the last year and nothing more, should be it enough or not?

Your respond is geartly appreciated, thanks.

[dracore]

Thanks for your inputs, just wanna make clear few points:

So if in 2007 I paid around US$ 28K they will go from there, they wont consider the current tax value with some depreciation? Local city hall where it registered charges exise tax every year, so in 2008 it was only 18K, should I argue about that with CBSA guys if they will charge me more?

Also, I will have only the title which is currently in the US customs (they asked me to send the original) and copy of motor vehicle purchase contract, also I do have exise tax form for the last year and nothing more, should be it enough or not?

Your respond is geartly appreciated, thanks.

Well I can't say exactly how they will handle this situation. I think some of it also depends on how their mood is... so if you give them a hard time, they'll make sure you suffer for it :)

It is unusual to leave a car in the US after you purchased it in '07. Do you have a license plate to go with it? Obviously the temporary license that the dealer would have given you in '07 would have expired by now. I would think that you would still continue to pay the CAD equivalent of the amount that you paid. I do not know if they will look into determining the current value of the car.

If the price of the vehicle is too good to be true, then yes they will probably determine the current value of the car for you (e.g. if you somehow bought it for $10K for example...). If it is in reasonable price range (and if you bought it from a dealership than from a private sale -- I think they also consider this) then you'll be fine. I don't know if they'll figure out any depreciation value for the car though... I suspect they won't.

As long as all your forms are dated you can always make an argument if there is something about the price they do not like.

[sermarkat]

Well I can't say exactly how they will handle this situation. I think some of it also depends on how their mood is... so if you give them a hard time, they'll make sure you suffer for it :)

It is unusual to leave a car in the US after you purchased it in '07. Do you have a license plate to go with it? Obviously the temporary license that the dealer would have given you in '07 would have expired by now. I would think that you would still continue to pay the CAD equivalent of the amount that you paid. I do not know if they will look into determining the current value of the car.

If the price of the vehicle is too good to be true, then yes they will probably determine the current value of the car for you (e.g. if you somehow bought it for $10K for example...). If it is in reasonable price range (and if you bought it from a dealership than from a private sale -- I think they also consider this) then you'll be fine. I don't know if they'll figure out any depreciation value for the car though... I suspect they won't.

As long as all your forms are dated you can always make an argument if there is something about the price they do not like.

Thank you for your respond. Originally my dad wanted to have it and gave me all money to buy it. I bought it for cash, paid in full, no tradeins or finance etc.., I got normal plates + insurance in the states on my name. My dad and I have used it while we were overe there. Bought it from honda dealer, everything is legit.

So it would be ok for asking to have adjustment in the price or better dont do it? I already printed out some info about the same vehicle selling on kbb, nada guide and cartrader, etc...

[slamdunkonRFD]

If one is shopping for a used car / motorcycle off Craigslist and to import it to Canada then they might find this greasemonkey userscript (http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/56028) useful. Its just a simple script which shows the cost of car converted to Canadian dollar on the listing page. Just gives rough idea of how much it would cost to import that particular car. Note this script will work on only US city craigslist site. There are screenshot of it on the above link.

[yurcov]

Thank you for your respond. Originally my dad wanted to have it and gave me all money to buy it. I bought it for cash, paid in full, no tradeins or finance etc.., I got normal plates + insurance in the states on my name. My dad and I have used it while we were overe there. Bought it from honda dealer, everything is legit.

So it would be ok for asking to have adjustment in the price or better dont do it? I already printed out some info about the same vehicle selling on kbb, nada guide and cartrader, etc...

You wont be able to negotiate the value of your car. CBSA will take it from your invoice. They wont care how much it costs now, if you bought it in 2007 you will pay based on tht price including all taxes.Good luck with your trip and share your experience afterthat.

[tim78]

Thanks Monsieur Maggot! read your post a while back and when it came time to buying a car, i knew it would be much cheaper to import it from the U.S.
I used a company called importtrader.com (read about them at forbes.com) to help me with the transaction and everything went smoothly(saved alot of money too!) don't know WHY vehicles cost so much more here in canada but it is a shame! :(

[mittamoo]

Has anyone any information for trading in a car in the US? Like, if I were to trade in my current car in addition to buying one in the US, has this been done? Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Also, I'm looking for a mini-van - Honda Odyssey or Toyota Sienna, has anyone been able to find a good deal in the US?

Thanks,
MittaMoo

[yurcov]

Has anyone any information for trading in a car in the US? Like, if I were to trade in my current car in addition to buying one in the US, has this been done? Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Also, I'm looking for a mini-van - Honda Odyssey or Toyota Sienna, has anyone been able to find a good deal in the US?

Thanks,
MittaMoo

Not an ad, but go to Boch Honda in Norwood, Ma I did lots of transactions with them and everything was fine.
However, you will pay taxes from total amount of your new vehicle + all taxes, no tradeins must be in the paper. Make sure you will have extra purchase contract from your dealer if you thinking of using tradein. In order to tradein your old car it must have the US title, they wont take canadian without proper importation docs from the US customs.

[spaquet11]

Hi!
Has anyone had a buying experience with Audi sellers in Connecticut? In comparison with other north eastern states, their prices are lower, for really low mileage Audis.

Thanks

SP11

[zircon]

Hi!
Has anyone had a buying experience with Audi sellers in Connecticut? In comparison with other north eastern states, their prices are lower, for really low mileage Audis.

Thanks

SP11

I purchased a low mileage Audi out of Chicago a year ago, so I can't advise you on Conn. However, I can tell you that the Audi Headquarters people could not have been more helpful with the recall letter. One pleasant call, 5 minutes later I had my fax. I also have had no problems getting a Lexus letter though Audi was really easy and personable. Exact opposite of the company whose products I used to buy in Canada, Acura. So, go with the flow and buy from companies that appreciate your business and don't hassle you. good luck.

[spaquet11]

I purchased a low mileage Audi out of Chicago a year ago, so I can't advise you on Conn. However, I can tell you that the Audi Headquarters people could not have been more helpful with the recall letter. One pleasant call, 5 minutes later I had my fax. I also have had no problems getting a Lexus letter though Audi was really easy and personable. Exact opposite of the company whose products I used to buy in Canada, Acura. So, go with the flow and buy from companies that appreciate your business and don't hassle you. good luck.

Thanks for your feedback. Have you had your car fixed, under warranty, this side of the border at an audi dealership? How was the experience?

Thanks

Sp11

[jyde]

Can any one kindly help with a Nissan dealer willing to sell to Canadians any recommendations?

[zircon]

Thanks for your feedback. Have you had your car fixed, under warranty, this side of the border at an audi dealership? How was the experience?

Thanks

Sp11

I have had zero warranty issues in the year I have had the car. No problems whatsoever. My TT came with an extended warranty in case I need it. If you're looking at the A4 with the 2.0L engine, it is fantastic in terms of fuel economy and power. I would buy nother Audi based on my experience.

I had a Lexus repair last week under warranty. That warranty is good in Canada too, but I live in a border town and still take it to a US Lexus dealer. No problem getting a battery replaced althoguh the d!ickhead at the Canada Customs decided to hassle me and wanted to know the value of the battery.

[bmm34]

For those of you who imported an Audi, where did you buy it? I imported an 08 Tribeca but bought it new and I would love to get a slightly used A4 with low mileage. How much do you figure you saved?

Thanks,

Brad

[mannou1278]

Hi everyone,

I am planning to buy a car from US and get it imported to canada.

I wonder if I buy from a private seller if I need to go to the US in order to sign the sale contract and change the title to my name.

Does anybody knows if you can buy from a private seller and get all the paperwork done remotely of if you need to be yourself there on site.

Thanks!!!!!

[zircon]

For those of you who imported an Audi, where did you buy it? I imported an 08 Tribeca but bought it new and I would love to get a slightly used A4 with low mileage. How much do you figure you saved?

Thanks,

Brad

I paid 36,250 for a 8 month old TT-S line. It was loaded and had extended warranty. Saved about 25K vs Canada. Audi Laurel of Westmont. They have a 09 A4 low miles, certified, advertized now.

[HP_John]

I paid 36,250 for a 8 month old TT-S line. It was loaded and had extended warranty. Saved about 25K vs Canada. Audi Laurel of Westmont. They have a 09 A4 low miles, certified, advertized now.

$25 K? Something is not adding up here, that is crazy. I priced a new TT 2.0T in both countries, accounted for current transaction prices on both sides, current exchange rate, added duty & the current Cdn cash deal discount (since you have to pay in full in the US), & found a difference of $3-$4 K.

I know that I can't even find a US Audi dealer willing to sell new to Cdns, but I just wanted to see how badly we were getting hosed.

That's amazing you were able to save that much, kuddos

[zircon]

Anybody recall the discussion on here 6 months or longer ago in which somebody gave examples of dealer auction prices in the USA? The cars are all coded according to their quality so that dealers know what they're bidding on. Anybody find the quotes? Somebody may, in fact, have pasted a table to show how dealers can access inventory before the auction with all vehicles listes, mileage, quality rating, price etc. It was very informative. By brother is looking for a car and he could use information that that system uses. thanks.

[jed]

The info is not freely available, that I'm aware of, to the general public. I believe the poster had a dealer license or similar, to access Mannheim's stuff.

[XterraJunky]

I'm looking to buy/import a new 2010 Nissan Xterra and researched all information regarding this subject. The issue now is that I have contacted several Nissan dealers in the NY, Vermont and New Hampshere states and it seems they are very weiry of selling to Canadians. They all say "due to new regulations and laws - we can't sell to Canadians"
Has anyone have this happen to them and can any Nissan importing canuk VET give me some advice and which import-friendly dealers are available in those states.

thanks

[97gst]

Does anyone have a car shipper they can recommend to bring a car in bond from NJ to Montreal?

I used Searail a few years back, but they want $1400 for raw transport (plus $300 brokerage fees) which seems to be about double what I was expecting it to be. For that price I could fly in and drive back and still have $1000 left over.

[97gst]

IMO it will get quite worse we will hit 50-60 to the US dollar very soon and it'll maintain at that.

With the benefit of 20-20 hindsight, this statement seems kind of funny...

[oFlash0]

If a car is listed in the carfax as a dealer vehicle, and advertised as used, but only has 2k miles on it, will i need a recall clearance letter?

thanks.

[fruzmatik]

If a car is listed in the carfax as a dealer vehicle, and advertised as used, but only has 2k miles on it, will i need a recall clearance letter?

thanks.

You need a recall clearance letter or dealer printout (w/ stamp) for all cars, new and used.

[oFlash0]

what about a carfax report that shows no recalls? does that count?

thanks.

[rjmbc]

I'm looking to buy/import a new 2010 Nissan Xterra and researched all information regarding this subject. The issue now is that I have contacted several Nissan dealers in the NY, Vermont and New Hampshere states and it seems they are very weiry of selling to Canadians. They all say "due to new regulations and laws - we can't sell to Canadians"
Has anyone have this happen to them and can any Nissan importing canuk VET give me some advice and which import-friendly dealers are available in those states.

thanks

I have one in Montana & one in Oregon if that helps. PM me if you want the information.

[GT!!]

Hi everyone,

I am planning to buy a car from US and get it imported to canada.

I wonder if I buy from a private seller if I need to go to the US in order to sign the sale contract and change the title to my name.

Does anybody knows if you can buy from a private seller and get all the paperwork done remotely of if you need to be yourself there on site.

Thanks!!!!!

You don't need to change the title to your name, but the seller needs to sign the back of the Title transferring it to you. They may not be willing to do this unless they have full payment. Are you willing to send full payment to a private party without receiving the signed title?

-GT

[goodzyk]

what about a carfax report that shows no recalls? does that count?

thanks.

carfax while good for you cannot be used as a recall clearance letter - if its a Honda - believe you can still use Honda Ownerlink website yourself...

[oFlash0]

From my understanding, i do not have to pay the states sales taxes (correct?) if I am a Canadian exporting a vehicle from the states. Is there some kind of link that I can provide the Amc dealer I may be about to purchase a vehicle from with showing such information?
I would be purchasing in Michigan.
(i don't think this forum/thread would do the job :D )

thanks!

[dracore]

From my understanding, i do not have to pay the states sales taxes (correct?) if I am a Canadian exporting a vehicle from the states. Is there some kind of link that I can provide the Amc dealer I may be about to purchase a vehicle from with showing such information?
I would be purchasing in Michigan.
(i don't think this forum/thread would do the job :D )

thanks!

Check out this page for state tax information:

http://www.carburner.com/index.php?title=State_Taxes_and_fees

And no, I don't think you can really provide any link. You'll just have to persuade the dealer to not charge you state tax. Some dealers immediately know not to charge state tax... others will do it unless you can provide a US address, while others will charge you anyways. It all depends on the dealer/dealership as well as location. Read the above link as a starting point.

[oFlash0]

Check out this page for state tax information:

http://www.carburner.com/index.php?title=State_Taxes_and_fees

And no, I don't think you can really provide any link. You'll just have to persuade the dealer to not charge you state tax. Some dealers immediately know not to charge state tax... others will do it unless you can provide a US address, while others will charge you anyways. It all depends on the dealer/dealership as well as location. Read the above link as a starting point.


Awesome, thanks for the help! much appreciated!


Also, as far as paying duty and taxes is concerned. How does that work?
Are they paid in Amc or Cdn Dollars? (i am assuming cdn)
Are they based on the price of car in Amc Dollars? Or the price + exchange rate?

Thanks!

[dracore]

Awesome, thanks for the help! much appreciated!


Also, as far as paying duty and taxes is concerned. How does that work?
Are they paid in Amc or Cdn Dollars? (i am assuming cdn)
Are they based on the price of car in Amc Dollars? Or the price + exchange rate?

Thanks!

They are paid in Canadian dollars (price + exchange rate). You will make this payment while importing at the Canadian border. Duties + GST. Payment for PST is only needed when you license your vehicle at MTO.

[HCaulfield]

wouldn't it be a LOT easier and less hassle using importtrader.com or something similar?

[michelb]

wouldn't it be a LOT easier and less hassle using importtrader.com or something similar?


Sure ... and it's even easier to just buy from a Canadian dealership particularly if you're happy paying MSRP ...

[freewheel]

wouldn't it be a LOT easier and less hassle using importtrader.com or something similar?

I requested a price quote from them a week ago and still haven't heard a word from them. Not too impressed.

[fruzmatik]

Awesome, thanks for the help! much appreciated!


Also, as far as paying duty and taxes is concerned. How does that work?
Are they paid in Amc or Cdn Dollars? (i am assuming cdn)
Are they based on the price of car in Amc Dollars? Or the price + exchange rate?

Thanks!

You pay duty (6.1%) and tax (13% in Ontario) at the border, you can pay via debit or credit card.

You pay in CDN dollars, and it is based on the price + exchange rate at the time of import.

Hope that helps....

[zircon]

I paid 36,250 for a 8 month old TT-S line. It was loaded and had extended warranty. Saved about 25K vs Canada. Audi Laurel of Westmont. They have a 09 A4 low miles, certified, advertized now.


The car I bought was s-line with navigation, ipod, bluetooth, swivel HIDs, magnetic shocks, sirius, and everything else the car could have except AWD. When I bought, the MSRP in Canada exceeded 60K for the exact car. I had accumulated US dollars at a rate of 1.02 US per Canadian (I got it above par). My saving was about 25K.

The year before I bought a Lexus RX400H hybrid in the states with US currency at 1.05 Can per US. That vehicle was also loaded, and was in the 60s plus taxes in Canada. I paid 43000, plus duty and taxes, minus 2000 Ontario hybrid rebate. I saved slightly less than 20K on that one.

You used to and probably still can save a fortune buying luxury cars in the states.

[HP_John]

The car I bought was s-line with navigation, ipod, bluetooth, swivel HIDs, magnetic shocks, sirius, and everything else the car could have except AWD. When I bought, the MSRP in Canada exceeded 60K for the exact car. I had accumulated US dollars at a rate of 1.02 US per Canadian (I got it above par). My saving was about 25K.

The year before I bought a Lexus RX400H hybrid in the states with US currency at 1.05 Can per US. That vehicle was also loaded, and was in the 60s plus taxes in Canada. I paid 43000, plus duty and taxes, minus 2000 Ontario hybrid rebate. I saved slightly less than 20K on that one.

You used to and probably still can save a fortune buying luxury cars in the states.

Isn't the TT-S only available with AWD? I take it you mean the TT 2.0T with a S-line pkg?

When I was comparing the TT 3.2, I found it was pretty easy to get $8 K off the Cdn MSRP without much effort ($4 K cash deal rebate & $4 K dealer discount). For the TT 2.0T, pretty easy to get $6 K off total Cdn MSRP. Add whatever the going bank rate was for currency exchange at the time (below par, maybe $0.90 dollar) & duty, & the total savings was $3-$4 K on the 2.0T.

I've been doing a lot of these comparisons lately as I have family members interested in various cars right now. In my experience, I find that with a lot of luxury brand cars, the savings aren't really big, not nearly like they were 18 months ago (when I imported my G37). A lot of the manufacturers have decent sized cash deal rebates now, Cdn dealers also seem to be more willing to discount now than 18 months ago, & the dollar was so damn strong 18 months ago.

Anyways, glad you "cashed" in, those were some amazing savings you got there.

[michelb]

The car I bought was s-line with navigation, ipod, bluetooth, swivel HIDs, magnetic shocks, sirius, and everything else the car could have except AWD. When I bought, the MSRP in Canada exceeded 60K for the exact car. I had accumulated US dollars at a rate of 1.02 US per Canadian (I got it above par). My saving was about 25K.
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When I was comparing the TT 3.2, I found it was pretty easy to get $8 K off the Cdn MSRP without much effort ($4 K cash deal rebate & $4 K dealer discount). For the TT 2.0T, pretty easy to get $6 K off total Cdn MSRP. Add whatever the going bank rate was for currency exchange at the time (below par, maybe $0.90 dollar) & duty, & the total savings was $3-$4 K on the 2.0T.

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I have to agree with HP_John in that you have to make sure you're comparing apples to apples when stating how much you saved. You're comparing the price you paid for a used car with MSRP on a new one. You also have to make sure you're comparing exactly the same trim / options (which in many cases is not trivial since US and Canadian cars often aren't exactly the same).

[spdztr]

You pay duty (6.1%) and tax (13% in Ontario) at the border, you can pay via debit or credit card.

You pay in CDN dollars, and it is based on the price + exchange rate at the time of import.

Hope that helps....

Actually you only pay duty if the car was not manufactured in North America, and you only pay GST at the border, not PST. You pay PST when you register the car and get your plates at the MTO.

[marcuzi]

Actually you only pay duty if the car was not manufactured in North America, and you only pay GST at the border, not PST. You pay PST when you register the car and get your plates at the MTO.

It still seems like it would not be much of a savings for all the hassle... Let's see 13% in taxes, plus an exchange rate of 8% (according to yesterday's close at the BoC) plus a potential state tax...

So a 30% lower cost for a car... I typically see cars in Can for eg $60k CAD you would pay about $40k USD. So that is about $43.2k CAD add PST and GST taxes (you eventually pay both) you're at $48,816 CAD without cost of shipping, cost of time, not to mention the cost of cash (today you could line yourself up with about 0% financing)...

Not sure where the deal is... Seems to me like a pretty tight margin...IMO

[freewheel]

It still seems like it would not be much of a savings for all the hassle... Let's see 13% in taxes, plus an exchange rate of 8% (according to yesterday's close at the BoC) plus a potential state tax...

So a 30% lower cost for a car... I typically see cars in Can for eg $60k CAD you would pay about $40k USD. So that is about $43.2k CAD add PST and GST taxes (you eventually pay both) you're at $48,816 CAD without cost of shipping, cost of time, not to mention the cost of cash (today you could line yourself up with about 0% financing)...

Not sure where the deal is... Seems to me like a pretty tight margin...IMO


So how come you are adding pst/gst to the American car and not the Canadian one? Add the tax to tha $60k and the deal lives! Not to mention, some people have lines of credit at 2.25% so the 0% financing isn't such a huge deal.

Like many on this thread have said before, you have to do a true full comparison taking into account all the fees. Then you decide if it's worth the effort. It isn't always, but I have found on many models the savings are still there even at a 92cent dollar. For example 2010 Honda Pilot EX-L is still $8,000 cheaper in the U.S. after factoring in exchange rate.

[johnsa]

It still seems like it would not be much of a savings for all the hassle... Let's see 13% in taxes, plus an exchange rate of 8% (according to yesterday's close at the BoC) plus a potential state tax...

So a 30% lower cost for a car... I typically see cars in Can for eg $60k CAD you would pay about $40k USD. So that is about $43.2k CAD add PST and GST taxes (you eventually pay both) you're at $48,816 CAD without cost of shipping, cost of time, not to mention the cost of cash (today you could line yourself up with about 0% financing)...

Not sure where the deal is... Seems to me like a pretty tight margin...IMO


Spoken like a true NON-RFDer..me thinks

[zircon]

So how come you are adding pst/gst to the American car and not the Canadian one? Add the tax to tha $60k and the deal lives! Not to mention, some people have lines of credit at 2.25% so the 0% financing isn't such a huge deal.

Like many on this thread have said before, you have to do a true full comparison taking into account all the fees. Then you decide if it's worth the effort. It isn't always, but I have found on many models the savings are still there even at a 92cent dollar. For example 2010 Honda Pilot EX-L is still $8,000 cheaper in the U.S. after factoring in exchange rate.

You're correct. I did my math and knew I would save big on both my cars. I REFUSE to go to a Canadian dealer and grovel for a discount off a grossly priced MSRP. If they want my business, they can damn well set realistic MSRPs. Our Lexus was almost new (4K miles), the Audi had about 11K miles. It also came Audi certified (or I would not have purchased it). My warranty is 6 years total or 100K miles. Even subtracting out the use before I got the car, my warranty is longer than had I bought a new one in Canada. My car is a FWD 2.0 auto. If you read reviews, and I read many, most reviewers liked the 2L better than the 6 even though it has less power. I have no regrets.

Let me edit one comment. I said they needto set realistic MSRP is they want my business. At least for me, they are too late. We intend to keep these 2 cars for 5 years, so Canadian dealers lost my business for this period.

[HP_John]

You're correct. I did my math and knew I would save big on both my cars. I REFUSE to go to a Canadian dealer and grovel for a discount off a grossly priced MSRP. If they want my business, they can damn well set realistic MSRPs. Our Lexus was almost new (4K miles), the Audi had about 11K miles. It also came Audi certified (or I would not have purchased it). My warranty is 6 years total or 100K miles. Even subtracting out the use before I got the car, my warranty is longer than had I bought a new one in Canada. My car is a FWD 2.0 auto. If you read reviews, and I read many, most reviewers liked the 2L better than the 6 even though it has less power. I have no regrets.

Let me edit one comment. I said they needto set realistic MSRP is they want my business. At least for me, they are too late. We intend to keep these 2 cars for 5 years, so Canadian dealers lost my business for this period.

Just wanted to point out, Cdn dealers don't set MSRP. For example, it's Audi & Lexus that set Cdn MSRP, they also sell to Cdn dealers more than what they charge US dealers. It's not like they charge the same to Cdn dealers but Cdn dealers decide to charge more for it.

[jed]

HP_John +1

[fruzmatik]

Actually you only pay duty if the car was not manufactured in North America, and you only pay GST at the border, not PST. You pay PST when you register the car and get your plates at the MTO.

You are correct. :D

You pay Duty ONLY if the VIN starts with a letter, GST at the border, RIV fee at the border or online (online is quicker), and PST at the MTO upon registration.

[zircon]

Just wanted to point out, Cdn dealers don't set MSRP. For example, it's Audi & Lexus that set Cdn MSRP, they also sell to Cdn dealers more than what they charge US dealers. It's not like they charge the same to Cdn dealers but Cdn dealers decide to charge more for it.

Last comment for this doofus.

1) I bought the car in its 1st model year, a time when discounts would be hard to achieve.
2) If you're going to compare, don't use current pricing, use the pricing for the year I purchased - 2008.
3) To put in gratuitous comments regarding available discounts TODAY is utterly irrelevant. Tell me what the discount was when I bought?
4) If you're going to add the sales tax to my car, add it to the Canadian purchase too. In fact, when you do this, I say more because I pay it on a lower price (36250 vs 60 odd canadian).
5) I already told you I purchased when the dollar was at par or higher, so there was no currency fee. There was duty of 6.1%, the import fee of 220 and safety of 75.
6) The manufacturers set MSRP to be the desired price dealers shoot for. They rarely get this - invoice is more typical - in the USA, but commonly get it or very close to it in Canada.
7) If you can get your Audi or BMW or whatever other car you're interested at in Canada at such a great price, be my guest. Canadians purchased massive numbers of vehicles in the states because they were sick and tired of the BS handed to them by manufacturers and their dealers here.
8) I really don't know what you're doing on this web site if you're so pro buy-Canadian. Do you work for a dealer? Are you a dealer?

[michelb]

Last comment for this doofus.

1) I bought the car in its 1st model year, a time when discounts would be hard to achieve.
2) If you're going to compare, don't use current pricing, use the pricing for the year I purchased - 2008.
3) To put in gratuitous comments regarding available discounts TODAY is utterly irrelevant. Tell me what the discount was when I bought?
4) If you're going to add the sales tax to my car, add it to the Canadian purchase too. In fact, when you do this, I say more because I pay it on a lower price (36250 vs 60 odd canadian).
5) I already told you I purchased when the dollar was at par or higher, so there was no currency fee. There was duty of 6.1%, the import fee of 220 and safety of 75.
6) The manufacturers set MSRP to be the desired price dealers shoot for. They rarely get this - invoice is more typical - in the USA, but commonly get it or very close to it in Canada.
7) If you can get your Audi or BMW or whatever other car you're interested at in Canada at such a great price, be my guest. Canadians purchased massive numbers of vehicles in the states because they were sick and tired of the BS handed to them by manufacturers and their dealers here.
8) I really don't know what you're doing on this web site if you're so pro buy-Canadian. Do you work for a dealer? Are you a dealer?

Dude, you don't need to call him a doofus just because he's giving his point of view ...

And from the information you've provided, I have to take his side; you claim that you saved $25k BUT you are comparing what you paid for an 8 month old used car vs MSRP on a brand new one. Also it doesn't sound like you are even comparing the same model; you're using the MSRP on a TTS but from your description, you bought a TT with 'S-type package' ... That's not the same car.

[ssainani]

And from the information you've provided, I have to take his side; you claim that you saved $25k BUT you are comparing what you paid for an 8 month old used car vs MSRP on a brand new one. Also it doesn't sound like you are even comparing the same model; you're using the MSRP on a TTS but from your description, you bought a TT with 'S-type package' ... That's not the same car.

me too

he didn't save 25k .... he saved less

and he'll get less when he sells or trades it in here

[mplsv]

It still seems like it would not be much of a savings for all the hassle... Let's see 13% in taxes, plus an exchange rate of 8% (according to yesterday's close at the BoC) plus a potential state tax...

So a 30% lower cost for a car... I typically see cars in Can for eg $60k CAD you would pay about $40k USD. So that is about $43.2k CAD add PST and GST taxes (you eventually pay both) you're at $48,816 CAD without cost of shipping, cost of time, not to mention the cost of cash (today you could line yourself up with about 0% financing)...

Not sure where the deal is... Seems to me like a pretty tight margin...IMO

The deal will grow by the month ... watch what happens in the next six months ... same scenario as last summer.

It's obvious you're a noob.

[Bandco]

Hi you all,
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By the looks of this tread not to many have bought a vehicle from the great US of A ! But they seem :twisted: :evil: without knowing, reading or... doing their homework !
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Well I did purchase a Class A RV.
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Brand New
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Bought it near Syracuse New York and I wasn�t the only one.
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I saved over $30,000 from the exact same one from a Canadian lowest dealer price that they gave me and I gave them a second chance to bring down the price and they didn�t (the dealer had 2 of these sitting on his lot and they stayed there for a while).
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The exact same Class A and in the �US� price, the Curb Side Awning, the Rear Camera and Hydraulic Jacks were included and not in the Canadian Price that's over $8,000.
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ALSO :
When I was glancing at the RVs, I meet a chap that was purchasing a Class A and it was is 5th.
He told me then that when purchasing a new unit (vehicle) in the states and in this case a new RV that travels or stays more than 3 months in the US (the RV stays in the US), it�s not new no more.
So when crossing the border and paying the GST, the GST is counted on the purchase price from the sales contract less 25% of depreciation (paying GST on 75% of the sales invoice) and it work for me the dealer gave me stickers (license) so I could travel with the RV and it was insured here from Canada.
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Warranty, the Chassis was a Ford and I bought an extended warranty here in Canada and I used it in the States as well as in Canada without any problem but many problems with the Ford Components (that�s another story) but everything was covered in both countries leasing of a car or hotel stays (the longest was 7 days and that�s also another story).
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So don�t be afraid of purchasing a vehicle in the states it�s worth the few hours invested.
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Take care and may God Bless, Bandco:)

[HP_John]

Last comment for this doofus.

1) I bought the car in its 1st model year, a time when discounts would be hard to achieve.
2) If you're going to compare, don't use current pricing, use the pricing for the year I purchased - 2008.
3) To put in gratuitous comments regarding available discounts TODAY is utterly irrelevant. Tell me what the discount was when I bought?
4) If you're going to add the sales tax to my car, add it to the Canadian purchase too. In fact, when you do this, I say more because I pay it on a lower price (36250 vs 60 odd canadian).
5) I already told you I purchased when the dollar was at par or higher, so there was no currency fee. There was duty of 6.1%, the import fee of 220 and safety of 75.
6) The manufacturers set MSRP to be the desired price dealers shoot for. They rarely get this - invoice is more typical - in the USA, but commonly get it or very close to it in Canada.
7) If you can get your Audi or BMW or whatever other car you're interested at in Canada at such a great price, be my guest. Canadians purchased massive numbers of vehicles in the states because they were sick and tired of the BS handed to them by manufacturers and their dealers here.
8) I really don't know what you're doing on this web site if you're so pro buy-Canadian. Do you work for a dealer? Are you a dealer?

Hey bro, there is no need to call me a doofus, in no way have I attacked you. I myself imported a G37 18 months ago, & saved tons. If the Cdn Infiniti dealers at that time were to sell it for the same as US dealers, they would've lost a ton of $, it would've been way below invoice. I blame the manufacturers.

I even gave you props for getting such an amazing deal. All I did was illustrate how the gap in savings isn't as big as it was 18 months ago. I don't know why you take it as a personal attack. Do you believe that if I imported a G37 today, I wouldn't save yet 18 months ago, the savings would've been in the range of $10 K. I'm just giving some info as to current conditions, it's not the same as it was 18 months ago.

If US dealers could sell for more they would, it's not because they're doing it out of the kindness of their hearts. I'm not even telling people where to buy, just that they should crunch all the numbers right now, not based on previous numbers. There is no part of any of my posts where I attacked you, you are just taking it the wrong way.

[Infrared]

Pls help, neither this site nor carburner.com mention about taxes in Connecticut. Anyone had experience buying there? Thnx.

[help_questions]

Just wanted to point out, Cdn dealers don't set MSRP. For example, it's Audi & Lexus that set Cdn MSRP, they also sell to Cdn dealers more than what they charge US dealers. It's not like they charge the same to Cdn dealers but Cdn dealers decide to charge more for it.

Why cares why it costs more?
At the end of the day, the car costs less in the US, so it only makes sense to buy from the US. Bottom line, Canadians are getting gouged when they buy cars at home. If you want a better deal, it is south of the border.

[BrunoMG]

Any VW dealers recommended near the Quebec border? do VW honour the warranty if bought in the US?
Looking for a VW Jetta TDI Wagon, auto, dont know whats the cost in the US..
Thank you

[james-007]

Any VW dealers recommended near the Quebec border? do VW honour the warranty if bought in the US?
Looking for a VW Jetta TDI Wagon, auto, dont know whats the cost in the US..
Thank you

VW does not offer warranty on 2009 and newer models. Only on 2008 and older. Not only that 2008 and older is 4 years of warranty.

[Albertan]

What about Audi? Do they warrany 2009 and newer imports from the US?

[HP_John]

Why cares why it costs more?
At the end of the day, the car costs less in the US, so it only makes sense to buy from the US. Bottom line, Canadians are getting gouged when they buy cars at home. If you want a better deal, it is south of the border.

Actually, if you read my post, at no point do I advocate buying in Canada if it costs more. The person was talking about how Cdn dealers are so greedy etc. I merely pointed out, US dealers aren't selling for less out of the kindness of their hearts, they sell for less for various reasons (eg the manufacturer charges them much less for the same car), but it's not because they're nice guys. Cdn dealers do have to pay a lot more for the same car than US dealers, I'm not giving them a pass by telling people to only buy in Canada.

[phrozenn.heat]

what about audi? Do they warrany 2009 and newer imports from the us?
+1

Can anyone recommend an Audi dealership from down South?

[sb_tor]

Hey bro, there is no need to call me a doofus, in no way have I attacked you. I myself imported a G37 18 months ago, & saved tons. If the Cdn Infiniti dealers at that time were to sell it for the same as US dealers, they would've lost a ton of $, it would've been way below invoice. I blame the manufacturers.

I even gave you props for getting such an amazing deal. All I did was illustrate how the gap in savings isn't as big as it was 18 months ago. I don't know why you take it as a personal attack. Do you believe that if I imported a G37 today, I wouldn't save yet 18 months ago, the savings would've been in the range of $10 K. I'm just giving some info as to current conditions, it's not the same as it was 18 months ago.

If US dealers could sell for more they would, it's not because they're doing it out of the kindness of their hearts. I'm not even telling people where to buy, just that they should crunch all the numbers right now, not based on previous numbers. There is no part of any of my posts where I attacked you, you are just taking it the wrong way.


This is a great post. This thread went a little cold for a while simply because things 18 months ago were very different from those 6 months ago. A few months ago, it was almost always cheaper to buy everything in Canada.

Now the dollar is back up a little bit, and we are back in number crunching mode. We need to make calculations to see of the savings in a particular vehicle is worth it. If it is, go south by all means.

[Bandco]

Things have really change . . .
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They used to say : �Go West Young Man, Go West !� :arrow:
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Now� days they say : �Go South Old Man, Go South !� Hmmmmm ! :arrowd:
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. . . and in a bit they�ll say : �Go North !� :arrowu:
. . . :confused:
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May God Bless

[fruzmatik]

+1

Can anyone recommend an Audi dealership from down South?

I dont believe you can import brand new Audi's (at least I was not able to do so when I imported an A6 last fall), but you can import slightly used demo's....

PM me with your location and I will point you in the right direction.

[Poordude]

Duties on import cars is 6.1%.
Here is a link to auto manufacterers on warrantieng US bought cars
http://www.apa.ca/template.asp?DocID=253

[Fate]

Duties on import cars is 6.1%.
Here is a link to auto manufacterers on warrantieng US bought cars
http://www.apa.ca/template.asp?DocID=253

Thanks for that profound update.

[TMS59]

Duties on import cars is 6.1%.
Here is a link to auto manufacterers on warrantieng US bought cars
http://www.apa.ca/template.asp?DocID=253

Only if the serial number starts with a LETTER - which indicates it was not made in North America.

Be careful with the warranty information - this link may be out of date -

[jhawley]

I'm looking at importing a private sale BMW M3 which has an outstanding lien against it - the loan from a bank the owner used to purchase it. The owner can't clear the lien until he has cash for the car. How do I deal with this situation? It would seem like a common scenario. Does anyone have experience with a situation like this?

[mikep]

I've imported several vehicles and have not had that situation. But someone I know did and it went bad. Basically the person that bought it never got the US title and they were never able to import it.

Personally what I would do is contact the creditor with the owners consent and see if you can make the payment directly to them and have the title sent to you.

Let the seller know that you need the title immediately to be able to import the car as the reason for this.


P.S. Importing a german car sucks!!! :)

I'm not positive it will be the same for your BMW, but for my Mercedes, not only did I have to pay the 6.1% duty, but it required a letter from Mercedes stating that it conforms to Canadian regulations (As well as the recall letter).

I don't know about BMW, but Mercedes charged me $500 for the letter. Every other vehicle I've imported I never had to pay for it.

The dealer I brought it to tried to charge me $750 for it, until I showed him a letter form Mercedes stating it costs $500.

After that in my case, it took weeks to see what was needed to be done to the car to conform. They were waiting from the info from head office in Toronto. Then the inspector was on vacation.

To conform, basically it was just the light switch and a panel overlay that needed to be changed. That, the letter and an oil change was over $1800.00.

But to make things even better, when they changed my switch, they shorted out my whole console (Speedometer, tach, oil pressure etc.) and would not admit to doing so. It took more weeks of calls to head office, threats of going to court and so on until they finally fixed the situation. And of course I had to wait for the parts since they were back ordered.

I finally got my RIV sticker today in fact on this vehicle, and I started the whole process back at the beginning of May.

To make things more fun, there are a few modifications I know need to make to meet the provincial inspection.

And the funniest part about all this. I did not even really want to import the car to Canada. It's a car I keep in Florida when I am down there occasionally during the winter. I wanted just to bring it up here for the summer since it is a convertible and I thought it would be fun to have during the warmer months.

When I got to the border, I was told, I could come in, but the car could not (It was tagged under my name in Florida using a Florida address).
They only way I could get it into Canada, even if only for a few months, was to import it.

I now wish I would have simply left the vehicle in storage down south.

[rendered]

Why buy german/luxury cars at US Retail prices, and then have to pay 6.1% duty, AC tax, and RIV fee, and go through the trouble of importing the car yourself (either paying shipping, or flying down and driving it back yourself) and then having to worry about a recall clearance letter as well? Sounds a little intimidating to a first time US buyer right?

I've brought in hundreds of higher end vehicles being a Broker myself, and we offer a service called Wholesale Brokerage Purchasing and we deal specifically with Audi, BMW, Porsche, and exotics ( Aston Martin, Lamborgini, Ferrari, etc). We deal with the importing hassles and purchase the cars straight from the Major US dealer auctions, and sell to you at dealer cost + $2000 brokerage fee. Everything else is included! (Duty, RIV fee, Ac Tax, recall clearance letter, and shipping) Essentially A LOT less money than buying US retail or private sales and bringing it over yourself.


I've been extremely busy lately importing cars from all over North America for my current clients, but I don't mind making time for a few RFDer's looking for an easier way to save even more money with less trouble.


Only PM me if you're seriously interested and have the cash ready to go. Please be patient for a response as I'm not on RFD too often, and I receive at least 50 priority emails a day which I need to respond to first.

BTW, We will ONLY discuss pricing if you're serious and make a visit to my shop.

And I have a few Audi's in stock, 2002's-2005's, and a couple BMW M3's available as well in stock.

Hopefully this helps some people here. Sorry for the shameless plug if thats how you see it :)

[jhawley]

I would never buy a high end, German or other, used car from an auction. The cleanest cars are either kept by dealers and resold CPO, or sold by private parties who originally purchased the vehicle.

The import process is not troublesome and the drive back to the border is what its all about!

Why buy german/luxury cars at US Retail prices, and then have to pay 6.1% duty, AC tax, and RIV fee, and go through the trouble of importing the car yourself (either paying shipping, or flying down and driving it back yourself) and then having to worry about a recall clearance letter as well? Sounds a little intimidating to a first time US buyer right?

I've brought in hundreds of higher end vehicles being a Broker myself, and we offer a service called Wholesale Brokerage Purchasing and we deal specifically with Audi, BMW, Porsche, and exotics ( Aston Martin, Lamborgini, Ferrari, etc). We deal with the importing hassles and purchase the cars straight from the Major US dealer auctions, and sell to you at dealer cost + $2000 brokerage fee. Everything else is included! (Duty, RIV fee, Ac Tax, recall clearance letter, and shipping) Essentially A LOT less money than buying US retail or private sales and bringing it over yourself.


I've been extremely busy lately importing cars from all over North America for my current clients, but I don't mind making time for a few RFDer's looking for an easier way to save even more money with less trouble.

[ziploc]

I'm looking at importing a private sale BMW M3 which has an outstanding lien against it - the loan from a bank the owner used to purchase it. The owner can't clear the lien until he has cash for the car. How do I deal with this situation? It would seem like a common scenario. Does anyone have experience with a situation like this?

be very carefull with that....

usually in those situations it's the bank that hold the vehicle title...and it might takes weeks to get it even if you pay the outstanding loan.....

and without it you can't import/register the car under your name....

[Costello]

Hello everybody

First time poster, long time reader

I was in Buffalo yesterday at Paddock Chevrolet looking to buy a brand new Equinox 2010 but they told me that they do not sell to Canadians. "Mr Paddock has an agreement with GM to not sell to Canadians due to the price differences"

Has anyone else found this a problem? Is there anyway around it?

[dracore]

Hello everybody

First time poster, long time reader

I was in Buffalo yesterday at Paddock Chevrolet looking to buy a brand new Equinox 2010 but they told me that they do not sell to Canadians. "Mr Paddock has an agreement with GM to not sell to Canadians due to the price differences"

Has anyone else found this a problem? Is there anyway around it?

Try other dealers more south of the border

[johnsa]

Try other dealers more south of the border

Not gonna happen....I went as far as Texas trying to get buy a new Corvette and no one would do it...The Texas dealer said he would if I paid the state tax, which is 9.25%:(

[scouzi]

Hello everybody

First time poster, long time reader

I was in Buffalo yesterday at Paddock Chevrolet looking to buy a brand new Equinox 2010 but they told me that they do not sell to Canadians. "Mr Paddock has an agreement with GM to not sell to Canadians due to the price differences"

Has anyone else found this a problem? Is there anyway around it?

Wow - that`s incriminating evidence if really said it that way. Those agreements (even though we know exist) are borderline anti-trust and illegal.

And to make matters worse, we are bailing out GM with taxpayer money and they are turning around and screwing us. I will never buy another GM or Chrysler since I`m already giving them money through taxes.

[scouzi]

Can anybody recommend a good cross-border car shipping company. Probably intending to buy in NY state for shipping to Montreal.

[Sergio]

You are better off to pickup in Champlain, NY.
My rate to transport MDX from Florida to NY, Champlain was 550$USD.
Sergio

Can anybody recommend a good cross-border car shipping company. Probably intending to buy in NY state for shipping to Montreal.

[Sergio]

Pay the bank directly to clear the lien.

At the time of payment to bank, seller should sign over title to you. Atr this point you can also pay him the difference left if any.

Good luck!
S


I'm looking at importing a private sale BMW M3 which has an outstanding lien against it - the loan from a bank the owner used to purchase it. The owner can't clear the lien until he has cash for the car. How do I deal with this situation? It would seem like a common scenario. Does anyone have experience with a situation like this?

[anony]

we offer a service called Wholesale Brokerage Purchasing... We deal with the importing hassles and purchase the cars straight from the Major US dealer auctions, and sell to you at dealer cost + $2000 brokerage fee. Everything else is included! (Duty, RIV fee, Ac Tax, recall clearance letter, and shipping)

Duty alone is 6.1%. Duty on a $33000 car is already over $2000, so how can you include it in your brokerage fee? Dubious.

Other posters have mentioned brokers that ask for only $250-300:
"The outfit I am using charge $250 Canadian + GST. I pay the RIV fee directly. They prepared the documents for the border and notified the border and I can pick the car up at the dealership. My dealer required that the vehicle be registered first in the US and they looked after that but I pay no state sales taxes." http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8843847&postcount=16385
"I found a brokage firm that will handle everything for a low cost of $300brokage fee +gst+riv+actax. Found a new 2009 Nissan Quest S for 18k all in, brokage firm is handling all the paperwork I just have to pick up the vehicle at the border when the paperworks all done."..."they will handle all the paperwork $300 fee, some brokage firm wants over $1600 lol. They also offered storage for $3 dollars a day depending where you are incase you can't pick up the vehicle just yet, Also low shipping cost to the border. " http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8841583&postcount=16381

[allknowing]

Pay the bank directly to clear the lien.

At the time of payment to bank, seller should sign over title to you. Atr this point you can also pay him the difference left if any.

Good luck!
S

Check carburner and riv.ca its detailed there -- you pay the bank *but* you need a signed affidavit of the transaction for the border folks.

[scouzi]

You are better off to pickup in Champlain, NY.
My rate to transport MDX from Florida to NY, Champlain was 750$USD.
Sergio

Sergio. I sent you a PM requesting a bit more info.

Thanks!

[phlegm2]

I learned a lot by reading a great thread started by "alysomji" from back in 2007. I wanted to share a few recent tips.

I saved just over 11K by importing a Volvo from the US 3 weeks ago. I lost about 10 cents/dollar on the exchange, and paid 2K in duties (Swedish car) but still came out way ahead. (Mostly due to huge incentives in the US.)

Re dealers, I found that border dealers (Buffalo) would not sell to Canadians. However Syracuse NY did at least start the negotiation with me. I ultimately went with a dealer in Pennsylvania.

Note that even other dealers in PA would say "can't sell new cars to Canadians", that seems like bunk since my dealer had no issue at all.

Random tips that I hadn't seen in previous articles, or that I think are extra useful to import virgins:

-Be sure to check the "carburner' Wiki to confirm if the state you are looking at does not charge sales tax.
-Check same wiki to confirm your manufacturer validates US warranty in Canada (Volvo does!)
-Pennsylvania does not charge state tax to Canadians, was no problem to leave it off the bill of sale.
-Many people wire transfer the full amount to the US dealer after they put down a deposit, however I brought a bank draft (aka bank check in the US) with me. **Note that in customs you must report large amounts of negotiable securities (cash, etc.) that comes through, however a bank draft made payable to a specific person (dealership) is fine, at least according to my research. If you are concerned, wire the funds directly to the dealer.
-Ask the dealer to give you (a) a printed letter on dealer letterhead listing the VIN, year, make, model etc and confirming no outstanding recalls, and (b) a printoutout of the dealer database checking for recalls against your VIN
-Above step will save you time and maybe even money hunting down a recall letter from the manufacturer
-Ensure you have an insurance form emailed to you proving you have coverage specific to the new vehichle (VIN is listed) when you drive it back. Your generic pink slip for insurance may not be enough if the new car isn't listed on it.
-Have your dealer fax the Certificate of Origin (aka Title) to the border of your choice.
-Call the border crossing to confirm receipt of Title/COO. In my case, for the Queenston/Lewiston crossing, I called them the next day, and left a message for them to call me back. They called back to confirm receipt of the title. (If they don't have it, you could be in for delays!)
-Use the map on the "carburner" Wiki to help find the Export office on the US side of Queenston/Lewiston. It is definitily tricky to find. BTW, you can park right near the door indicated on the map.
-As you leave the US, make sure you have the EXACT PRICE you paid for the car handy. The Canadian border person will ask you this when you tell them you are importing a vehcile and you don't want to fumble through papers like I did.
-As you enter Canada, you will head to an inspection station on the Canadian side, where you will fill out the "Form 1" you've heard about. Handy tip here - look at the manufacturer's sticker on your car (aka Compliance Label) to find out exactly the date of manufacture. Even if you bought a 2009, it might have been made in 2008. You must know this exact date for the Form 1 inside the inspection station.
-If you live anywhere near Toronto, it might be quick to go directly to the RIV office. You can get your inspection form right away after you supply the Form 1 and Recall letter (from above)
-After import, you will probably receive a letter from the Ministry of Revenue who want to see a few bits of information: Bill of Sale, Customes Short Form, to confirm all is above board.

I think that's it. Hope it helps some of you, like the original post helped me.

Cheers.

[originalnutta]

I learned a lot by reading a great thread started by "alysomji" from back in 2007. I wanted to share a few recent tips.

I saved just over 11K by importing a Volvo from the US 3 weeks ago. I lost about 10 cents/dollar on the exchange, and paid 2K in duties (Swedish car) but still came out way ahead. (Mostly due to huge incentives in the US.)

Re dealers, I found that border dealers (Buffalo) would not sell to Canadians. However Syracuse NY did at least start the negotiation with me. I ultimately went with a dealer in Pennsylvania.

Note that even other dealers in PA would say "can't sell new cars to Canadians", that seems like bunk since my dealer had no issue at all.

Random tips that I hadn't seen in previous articles, or that I think are extra useful to import virgins:

-Be sure to check the "carburner' Wiki to confirm if the state you are looking at does not charge sales tax.
-Check same wiki to confirm your manufacturer validates US warranty in Canada (Volvo does!)
-Pennsylvania does not charge state tax to Canadians, was no problem to leave it off the bill of sale.
-Many people wire transfer the full amount to the US dealer after they put down a deposit, however I brought a bank draft (aka bank check in the US) with me. **Note that in customs you must report large amounts of negotiable securities (cash, etc.) that comes through, however a bank draft made payable to a specific person (dealership) is fine, at least according to my research. If you are concerned, wire the funds directly to the dealer.
-Ask the dealer to give you (a) a printed letter on dealer letterhead listing the VIN, year, make, model etc and confirming no outstanding recalls, and (b) a printoutout of the dealer database checking for recalls against your VIN
-Above step will save you time and maybe even money hunting down a recall letter from the manufacturer
-Ensure you have an insurance form emailed to you proving you have coverage specific to the new vehichle (VIN is listed) when you drive it back. Your generic pink slip for insurance may not be enough if the new car isn't listed on it.
-Have your dealer fax the Certificate of Origin (aka Title) to the border of your choice.
-Call the border crossing to confirm receipt of Title/COO. In my case, for the Queenston/Lewiston crossing, I called them the next day, and left a message for them to call me back. They called back to confirm receipt of the title. (If they don't have it, you could be in for delays!)
-Use the map on the "carburner" Wiki to help find the Export office on the US side of Queenston/Lewiston. It is definitily tricky to find. BTW, you can park right near the door indicated on the map.
-As you leave the US, make sure you have the EXACT PRICE you paid for the car handy. The Canadian border person will ask you this when you tell them you are importing a vehcile and you don't want to fumble through papers like I did.
-As you enter Canada, you will head to an inspection station on the Canadian side, where you will fill out the "Form 1" you've heard about. Handy tip here - look at the manufacturer's sticker on your car (aka Compliance Label) to find out exactly the date of manufacture. Even if you bought a 2009, it might have been made in 2008. You must know this exact date for the Form 1 inside the inspection station.
-If you live anywhere near Toronto, it might be quick to go directly to the RIV office. You can get your inspection form right away after you supply the Form 1 and Recall letter (from above)
-After import, you will probably receive a letter from the Ministry of Revenue who want to see a few bits of information: Bill of Sale, Customes Short Form, to confirm all is above board.

I think that's it. Hope it helps some of you, like the original post helped me.

Cheers.

Great first post. Thanks for the tips.

[Sergio]

Yes of course, you will need a deed of sale 1 pager signed by both parties. This will be used by border folks for calculating the GST + Duty (if any) charges.

Check carburner and riv.ca its detailed there -- you pay the bank *but* you need a signed affidavit of the transaction for the border folks.

[Sloan55]

I represent a company called US Auto Import (www.usautoimport.ca). We take care of the import process from the US to Canada, everything inclusive from submitting paperwork to the broder right up to, and including licensing the vehicle for you. We have had great success doing this for the past couple of years, and every customer has come away satisfied.

We have many testimonials on the website and can put you in touch with former clients if need be.

We don't try and sugar coat anything with our pricing, we charge expenses (GST, PST, air tax, RIV fee, trucking etc...) with NO mark up on those fees plus $750 to us.

I can put together a quote for the import of your vehicle within about 5 minutes and email it to you. All I need is year, make, model, price and location of the vehicle in order to complete the quote.

If anyone has any further questions, please feel free to contact me at dan@usautoimport.ca

[phlegm2]

Thanks for the compliment originalnutta.

A few other items to add that I forgot about:

-Be sure to PRINT OUT the insurance coverage form and bring it with you - maybe obvious, but easy to forget. You don't want to be pulled over in the US without proof of insurance.

-Technically, the US border needs 2 things from you:
1. The Certificate of Origin (COO) sent to them 3 business days in advance.
2. 2 additional photocopies of the COO. This is indicated on the US gov't website.

At the Queenston/Lewiston crossing, they were making the photocopies for everyone, but I'm not sure if that occurs at all crossings. Would not hurt to have the dealer give you 2 photocopies of the COO to bring with you along with the original.

-Ontario made me get a safety inspection (different from the RIV inspection) before I could license the vechichle**. That seemed strange to me since it was a brand new car. However, I returned to Canadian Tire (where I did the RIV inspection previously) and had it done for $90.

**If someone happens to know if this is an error by the clerk at the Licensing bureau, let me know please.

-You do not need to get an emissions test on a new vehicle imported from the US, at least for Ontario.


Cheers.

[adragon]

Some may find this helpful. It took me some research. You could use this to figure out the cost of any vehicle. The only thing that would be different would be the exchange rate, vehicle cost and any Canadian modifications needed for registration. Shipping would vary. I realize to most these are obvious but....



Carchex fee Standard: $149.95
Auto check/ vehicle report: $24.99
Audi 06 TT 3.2 coupe price (USD) : $23995.00

Current Price in (CAD)(0.9977) : $23939.81
Duty (6.10%): $1460.33
GST (5.00%) : $1270.01
RIV : (standard) $ 206.70
Air Conditioning: (standard) $100.00

SHIPPING (NJ to Vancouver)(one of three $):
$2377 Terminal to port
$2466 door to door
$2556 w/ $50,000 coverage

PST( 7%) : $1679.65


Modifications: estimate $2000.00 - $5000.00

2001 to 2006 TT Coupe and TT Roadster - modifications to bumper required before license and registration.



TOTAL cost: $33, 789

***The rest of the figures include the sale of my car. As a trade in value.
***Modifications that can be removed, after car is registered may apply if one choses to recoup, paying the government for a 3km speed difference.

est. sale of Honda $7,500


after sale of car Honda: $26289
after selling Can. bumper(for registration purpose only) $2000
--------------------


TOTAL COST: $24,289
Estimated real world value(according to vehicles listed CL) $45,000

savings: $15,000- $20,000


Black book trade in value value:

2006 audi tt 3.2 quattro awd

Low: $32,950.00 High: $34,800.00
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my car (99 honda civic si)

Low: $4,017.00 High: $5,517.00
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Average craigslist price: 99 Honda civic si w/ 110,000 km to 260,000 km :

$6500 to $9995

Average craigslist price: : 2006 audi tt 3.2 quattro awd w/ 14,500km:

$42995

[mcaj]

Folks,

I recently imported my 2007 Nissan Altima 2.5S and as you all know, I need the DRL (daytime running lights). When I took my car to CT for safety inspection, the guys there told me that my car has the DRL lights but they need to be "activated" by the dealership. But, the dealership tells me that my made-in-US car would never have DRL (without even looking at my car). He asked me $400+tax for installing this unit.

So, I don't know what to do. :( Who's lying? Anyone faced a similar problem, especially Altima owners? What was your solution?

[Dmitrya]

Audi 06 TT 3.2 coupe price (USD) : $23995.00

Current Price in (CAD)(0.9977) : $23939.81

something wrong!!!!!

[scrolllock]

2001 to 2006 TT Coupe and TT Roadster - modifications to bumper required before license and registration.



Thanks to some hard work by the members and supporters of Carswithoutborders.com, Canadian bumper standards have been harmonized with the U.S. and Europe.

You do not need to pay for any useless modifications anymore.

Follow Mario's "bumper" story at http://www.carswithoutborders.com/http:/www.carswithoutborders.com/forum/reg-215-bumpers/

[rrm]

Call or email as many Nissan dealers as you can.


Folks,

I recently imported my 2007 Nissan Altima 2.5S and as you all know, I need the DRL (daytime running lights). When I took my car to CT for safety inspection, the guys there told me that my car has the DRL lights but they need to be "activated" by the dealership. But, the dealership tells me that my made-in-US car would never have DRL (without even looking at my car). He asked me $400+tax for installing this unit.

So, I don't know what to do. :( Who's lying? Anyone faced a similar problem, especially Altima owners? What was your solution?

[mcaj]

Call or email as many Nissan dealers as you can.

Yup, that's what I'm thinking next. But, does it really cost $400 for DRL to be installed on an Altima .. or any car for that matter?

[killbillvol1]

Call or email as many Nissan dealers as you can.

Sounds like a load of crap - my Pathfinder needed them too but Airport Nissan agreed to do some kind of aftermarket workaround for $150 all in (CT offered to do for a similar amount as well).

Good luck!

[mangoman]

I bought the appropriate Hamsar relay for my DRLs (~$30-40 ) and had them installed by the local Toyota dealer for $75. You'll have to research some more if Nissans already have them pre-wired or not. Perhaps some of the Nissan importers can pipe in.

Sounds like a load of crap - my Pathfinder needed them too but Airport Nissan agreed to do some kind of aftermarket workaround for $150 all in (CT offered to do for a similar amount as well).

Good luck!

[james-007]

Sounds like a load of crap - my Pathfinder needed them too but Airport Nissan agreed to do some kind of aftermarket workaround for $150 all in (CT offered to do for a similar amount as well).

Good luck!

I install the DRL module myself on my Toyota Tacoma took maybe like 25 minutes. I purchased the DRL module from CT for $29. Everything I need to know was in black and white.

[mcaj]

Sounds like a load of crap - my Pathfinder needed them too but Airport Nissan agreed to do some kind of aftermarket workaround for $150 all in (CT offered to do for a similar amount as well).

Good luck!

I think dealership is trying to rip me off by telling me that my car doesn't have DLR (we talked on the phone .. so he didn't even look at the car). the CT guy seems to be right and i've done some research online as well .. the dealership can just "activate" the sensor and all is good ..but i wonder why he flat-out refused to even acknowledge that this is possible ..

FYI, i talked to 401-dixie Nissan

[fruzmatik]

I think dealership is trying to rip me off by telling me that my car doesn't have DLR (we talked on the phone .. so he didn't even look at the car). the CT guy seems to be right and i've done some research online as well .. the dealership can just "activate" the sensor and all is good ..but i wonder why he flat-out refused to even acknowledge that this is possible ..

FYI, i talked to 401-dixie Nissan

Because the canadian dealership wants to discourage you from taking your business to the USA.....

[fruzmatik]

Audi 06 TT 3.2 coupe price (USD) : $23995.00

Current Price in (CAD)(0.9977) : $23939.81

something wrong!!!!!


Where'd you come up with .9977?? Also add 6.1% duty....but I am sure its still cheaper than Canadian prices....

[maurice t]

Has anyone brought a Mazda5 to Canada? How was the experience and how much did you save?

[sketty55]

Any general estimates on how much discount you guys are getting off the asking price in the US? I understand that they are still hurting down there and just wondering how much bargaining power us Canadians currently have.

[shopper-X]

Any general estimates on how much discount you guys are getting off the asking price in the US? I understand that they are still hurting down there and just wondering how much bargaining power us Canadians currently have.

Search the forums on Edmunds.com. Each car has it's "Price Paid" thread and search Canadian or Canada to see what our peers are paying.

[scouzi]

Has anyone brought a Mazda5 to Canada? How was the experience and how much did you save?

I doubt that it`s worth the hassle for a Mazda5. The price gaps are for more expensive cars - especially luxury.

[scouzi]

Has anyone imported one? How much did you get charged to program the DRL by a Canadian stealership?

These cars a depreciating quickly in the US! Some good deals out there. These cars were retailing for around $80k-90k (CDN) at the time. You can pick a fully loaded convertible for about US $25k-$30k now.

[LVC70]

Since the Canadian $ appears to be headed in the right direction, does anyone have a dealer near Edmonton that will sell to Canadians? Please send me a PM

[goodzyk]

Since the Canadian $ appears to be headed in the right direction, does anyone have a dealer near Edmonton that will sell to Canadians? Please send me a PM

the info/contacts to pm are already in this thread-perhaps use the search with states like Montana Washington etc and it should turn up..

[brendonp]

Has anyone imported one? How much did you get charged to program the DRL by a Canadian stealership?

These cars a depreciating quickly in the US! Some good deals out there. These cars were retailing for around $80k-90k (CDN) at the time. You can pick a fully loaded convertible for about US $25k-$30k now.

I've been really tempted by this in the last 6 months or so... note the <30k models are still relatively few and far between, and often have higher mileage, though there are several dozen that fit my criteria (<40k miles & <30kUSD). When we did our Mini (since sold!) a couple of years ago, BMW charged ~50 for DRLs and ~50 for switching the OBC to metric displays for a grand total of $100 for the conversion. (Note the metric display programming isn't required in the M3 as it can be done directly through the car - and it's not required by law either, just a "nice to have").

My only hesitation is that my current '01 330 coupe is paid for and has given me no trouble in the last ~4 years; a bit of a shame not to drive it into the ground.... oh, and there are a few 911 "S" and "4S" models slipping below the 40k USD mark - very tempting!

[rjmbc]

Since the Canadian $ appears to be headed in the right direction, does anyone have a dealer near Edmonton that will sell to Canadians? Please send me a PM

I PM'd you some information about dealers.

[dmfc]

any recommended cross boarder Lexus dealer or any dealer selling Lexus RX series to Canadian. I am in GTA region.
appreciated!
Jay

[dmfc]

Can anyone give me some advice about importing cars into Canada from a private sale in USA.
I saw a Lexus RX 350 from a US private seller on Autotrader.com. The seller is in Buffalo region. If the seller agree to sell it to Canadian buyers (like us). How do we do the transaction?
Anyone can share their experience?
thank you
Jay

[jed]

Private sales have been posted in this thread many times. It is large, but the time spent vetting down what you are looking for would be time well spent.

[kayaking]

Couldn't find a decent deal for an '06 Pilot EX-L up here so I went stateside. The info on this site was a BIG help, especially the instructions for getting through US customs at Detroit. We just had the DRLs done for $180, so we should be all set for inspection. Still waiting for my form 2. I spoke to the dealer here and he said it is VERY hard to find an '06-'08 pilot. I noticed on autotrader.ca a bunch of used ones that have been brought over from the states and marked up significantly - if they can do it - so can I with the info found here.

Very happy with the price, the condition, and how easy this site made it.

[GreenLotus]

Please share your purchase experiences if you have recently bought a Rav4. Thanks!

[overboost]

Re: importing an M3.

I've imported one, but back in fall of 2007. I don't know how the rules are now, but back then I was able to get the dealer from the US to program it before I imported. You don't even have to go to the 'dealer' to get it activated. If you have an indy garage that has a GT1 or Autologic programmer, they can activate it for you. In the GTA, getting your DRL's activated at an indy garage is $50-75. The DRL's are the least of your worries though...i think the letter of compliance is what you have to pay $$$ from the Canadian dealer nowaways. When I imported mine, RIV accepted the letter of compliance from the US dealer, but I don't think they do now. From what I last read, BMW Canada required you to pay them some amount for them to do the inspection and then they'd issue this letter.



Has anyone imported one? How much did you get charged to program the DRL by a Canadian stealership?

These cars a depreciating quickly in the US! Some good deals out there. These cars were retailing for around $80k-90k (CDN) at the time. You can pick a fully loaded convertible for about US $25k-$30k now.

[withinthemind]

What do you guys use to pay the dealer ? Credit card? I live in Quebec and I only have access to a Desjardin account + a Visa Credit Card with 20k limit. I would like to know the most affordable way to do the payment using my current options.

[HP_John]

What do you guys use to pay the dealer ? Credit card? I live in Quebec and I only have access to a Desjardin account + a Visa Credit Card with 20k limit. I would like to know the most affordable way to do the payment using my current options.

Bank wire transfer is what I did, although I was buying from a new car dealership where I knew for certain they weren't going out of business. Apparently, in 2009 many US car dealers went out of business, so just be careful.

[withinthemind]

Bank wire transfer is what I did, although I was buying from a new car dealership where I knew for certain they weren't going out of business. Apparently, in 2009 many US car dealers went out of business, so just be careful.

Are there any hidden fees associated with the transfer? Also what value of the Canadian dollar does it use? For example, is it the latest one or is it 1 cent less than the latest one?

Sorry for my inexperience.

Thank you very much.

[GoogleFish]

A question about importing a car older than 15 years old. Read the RIV stuff and it basically is exempted from RIV requirements. I assume you still need to export it from the US though. Question is you still need to certify the car before registration for plates, but does it need to meet the DRL requirements?

If anyone has done one please advise. Do you only need the title and a sale document and safety to take to the Ont Ministry of Transport?

[Sloan55]

Older then 15 years, still need to pay your taxes and duty if applicable (anything over 25 years old, duty does not have to be paid on, regardless of where it is made). When you cross, you still get a form 1 but there is a box that says "vehicles does not enter the RIV program" or something to that effect, and that will be checked off. Get your safety, not etest required, and don't have to worry about the daytime running lights or the Form 2 inspection. Take your safety and your paperwork to the license bureau and pay your taxes to get your plate and stickers.

[Sloan55]

Older then 15 years, still need to pay your taxes and duty if applicable (anything over 25 years old, duty does not have to be paid on, regardless of where it is made). When you cross, you still get a form 1 but there is a box that says "vehicles does not enter the RIV program" or something to that effect, and that will be checked off. Get your safety, not etest required, and don't have to worry about the daytime running lights or the Form 2 inspection. Take your safety and your paperwork to the license bureau and pay your taxes to get your plate and stickers.

And yes, you still need to submit your title to US customs 72 hours prior to crossing

[GoogleFish]

And yes, you still need to submit your title to US customs 72 hours prior to crossing

Thanks Sloan55.

Was wondering about the 72 hour notice. If you fax the title and don't manage to pick up the vehicle until, a week or two weeks later, does it matter? Is there a time limit, before they ask for a re-fax?

[Sloan55]

As log as you don't leave it fo too long they won't care, 3-4 weeks, however call 72 hours prior to crossing just to confirm, that way if they say they don't have it you can still refax.

[Sergio]

Guys,

I'm planning to import a BMW Z4 into Canada.

Can I get the changes done in the USA, so I don't get f&&cked by the local dealers? Last time I checked, BMW is forcing us to change cluster and program daytime lights are crazy prices.

I also need to pay for recall letter - this is BS.

Let me know if things have changed...

Thanks...
Sergio

[HP_John]

Are there any hidden fees associated with the transfer? Also what value of the Canadian dollar does it use? For example, is it the latest one or is it 1 cent less than the latest one?

Sorry for my inexperience.

Thank you very much.

Hidden fees? It's whatever your own bank charges you, varies. If I recall correctly, for me, I believe it was $30 charged by Bank of Montreal.

The value of the Cdn dollar is whatever you can get yourself, for example, you go to a currency exchange place & exchange for US funds, then deposit the certified check into your bank account. This is because the currency exchange place gave a better exchange rate than the bank, though this may not always be the case, you have to do your own homework on who is offering what exchange rates. Whatever exchange rate you get, for sure the currency exchanger will make at least a bit compared to what is the actual exchange rate, that is because as a business, they are in it to make some $.

[withinthemind]

Hidden fees? It's whatever your own bank charges you, varies. If I recall correctly, for me, I believe it was $30 charged by Bank of Montreal.

The value of the Cdn dollar is whatever you can get yourself, for example, you go to a currency exchange place & exchange for US funds, then deposit the certified check into your bank account. This is because the currency exchange place gave a better exchange rate than the bank, though this may not always be the case, you have to do your own homework on who is offering what exchange rates. Whatever exchange rate you get, for sure the currency exchanger will make at least a bit compared to what is the actual exchange rate, that is because as a business, they are in it to make some $.

Thank you very much, this answered all of my questions.

[ZeRoMaX]

Hi;

I was wondering if anyone used a vehicle transportation company to transport a vehicle from us to canada? I done one car previously by driving it over but there is another car i want to get in california but dont want to put alot of milage on the car by driving it from california to detriot.

[freewheel]

Guys,

I'm planning to import a BMW Z4 into Canada.

Can I get the changes done in the USA, so I don't get f&&cked by the local dealers? Last time I checked, BMW is forcing us to change cluster and program daytime lights are crazy prices.

I also need to pay for recall letter - this is BS.

Let me know if things have changed...

Thanks...
Sergio

BMW cluster changes are model specific. I do not believe that cluster change is required on a Z4. It wasn't on the '05 that I imported in Oct. 07. I had the daytime running lights done by the US dealer as a condition of sale. I also got the admissibilityletter from the U.S. dealer, though I have heard that this is hard to get now, and even if you do get it your warranty probably won`t be registered in Canada if you don`t give them their $500.

When I bought in 07 price difference was $14,000. Is it still that high

Good luck.

[southpaw4golf]

No cluster change required on my 04 Z4 and yes make sure the DRLs are activated prior to importing. That's an additional $300 plus hose job at your local beemer dealer. Recall letter for $500? IMO was a not that big of a deal since that included honoring the remaining warranty. I think currently shop rates at the stealership run about $160/hr. If your warranty is expired then it's considered a hose job.

BMW cluster changes are model specific. I do not believe that cluster change is required on a Z4. It wasn't on the '05 that I imported in Oct. 07. I had the daytime running lights done by the US dealer as a condition of sale. I also got the admissibilityletter from the U.S. dealer, though I have heard that this is hard to get now, and even if you do get it your warranty probably won`t be registered in Canada if you don`t give them their $500.

When I bought in 07 price difference was $14,000. Is it still that high

Good luck.

[Sergio]

Ok great, so cluster is ok, and DRL can be done in the USA before import.
I will get recall letter from BMW USA dealer and see if that works, as for warranty, on a 3-4 year BMW I'm ok without. I also see that there is a class action suite against BMW Canada regarding their new rules on people who import BMW's from the USA.

I will let you guys know my experience.

My target price for BMW Z4 2006 3.0 manual is 18,500USD.

My target price for BMW 330i 2006/07 manual is 22,500USD.

Stay tuned....
Sergio


No cluster change required on my 04 Z4 and yes make sure the DRLs are activated prior to importing. That's an additional $300 plus hose job at your local beemer dealer. Recall letter for $500? IMO was a not that big of a deal since that included honoring the remaining warranty. I think currently shop rates at the stealership run about $160/hr. If your warranty is expired then it's considered a hose job.

[freewheel]

My target price for BMW Z4 2006 3.0 manual is 18,500USD.

My target price for BMW 330i 2006/07 manual is 22,500USD.

That Z4 price will be tough to achieve from a BMW dealer, maybe privately.

Not sure of the cluster requirement on the 330i, plus I think it is German made so add 6.1% duty,

[Monsterhdmi]

You cannot import cars to Canada unless they are older than 1 year. The only way you can is by paying a hefty duty. The real deal lies in purchasing a car exactly 1 year old.

You can also research demographics in the USA to obtain the best price. Different areas offer the same vehicles at different prices depending on the overall economy of the area of interest.

Really?? So you can not go to the U.S and buy a new car then drive it back to Canada?? The laws are pretty tight i guess

http://www.whim-project.info/whim/Signature.jpg

[scouzi]

Really?? So you can not go to the U.S and buy a new car then drive it back to Canada?? The laws are pretty tight i guess

http://www.whim-project.info/whim/Signature.jpg

Yes you can! If you can find someone willing to sell you a new car and it is on the admissibility list - then there`s no problems. I did it.

I don`t know why some people still think a car has to be older than 1 year old.

[Sergio]

Anyone have access to wholesale prices from manheim auction system? I would like to know average prices for BMW Z4 2006, that sold last week, and 2006 330i also.

Thanks...
Sergio



That Z4 price will be tough to achieve from a BMW dealer, maybe privately.

Not sure of the cluster requirement on the 330i, plus I think it is German made so add 6.1% duty,

[shopper-X]

Anyone have access to wholesale prices from manheim auction system? I would like to know average prices for BMW Z4 2006, that sold last week, and 2006 330i also.

Thanks...
Sergio

Canadian or US? I'll try look in the morning for you if my access still works.
Let me know what area's you would like prices for.

[HP_John]

Thank you very much, this answered all of my questions.

Good luck with everything

[michelb]

Ok great, so cluster is ok, and DRL can be done in the USA before import.
I will get recall letter from BMW USA dealer and see if that works, as for warranty, on a 3-4 year BMW I'm ok without. I also see that there is a class action suite against BMW Canada regarding their new rules on people who import BMW's from the USA.
...

You need to do your homework more thoroughly. Another poster said he didn't need it for an 04 - that doesn't mean you don't need it for an 06.

I believe that if the car has iDrive (not sure if Z4s have it. I think 3 series have had it for many years now)), BMW Canada will make you replace the console and software (I think it's roughly $2000-$3000). If you don't need to get the recall letter from them, you might be able to avoid it though. With iDrive, activating the DRL is a simply a setting so you don't even need the dealership.

[dough4you]

I don't know if this is old news, but it was news to me.

I was at the Audi dealership in Nashua, New Hampshire yesterday, looking at buying a Q5.

The dealer told me that he could not sell me a new car because I was Canadian and that I would not be able to find an Audi dealer in the USA who would.

He said he was only allowed to sell me a used Audi. Problem is, Q5's just came out and there won't be a used Q5 available for a loooong time.

Is this even legal? I was wondering if I could rent an apartment in New Hampshire for a month, just so I have an address, and use that to buy the car, but I don't know if it's worth it. Any comments?

dough

[bionicbadger]

Is this even legal? I was wondering if I could rent an apartment in New Hampshire for a month, just so I have an address, and use that to buy the car, but I don't know if it's worth it. Any comments?


Its not just the address, you will have to register the car in the US.

[dealz888]

If I can't find a dealer willing to sell me a new car without registering it in the U.S., could I have my relative in the U.S. buy the car and register it in the U.S. in his name, then immediately buy the car off him and bring it to Canada?

[rgc97]

If I can't find a dealer willing to sell me a new car without registering it in the U.S., could I have my relative in the U.S. buy the car and register it in the U.S. in his name, then immediately buy the car off him and bring it to Canada?

Yes, but it will take time (usually a few weeks) for him to receive the ownership. Best if your relative lives in a state with no purchase tax.

Earlier in this forum you can find alternative methods. One is to register a company in the US and have the company buy the car. Another is to have your relative buy the car and then sell it to you before it's registered (he still has the MSO, which is in his name) -- he exports the car (at US Customs), sells it to you immediately, and you bring the car and MSO across the border into Canada. So your cousin is the exporter of record and you're the importer of record.

Don't think too many people have done either of these approaches.

Some dealers have 'lightly used' new cars, with only a few hundred miles on. Just keep searching and you may find one with everything you want.

[michelb]

If I can't find a dealer willing to sell me a new car without registering it in the U.S., could I have my relative in the U.S. buy the car and register it in the U.S. in his name, then immediately buy the car off him and bring it to Canada?

Yes, why wouldn't you be able to do this? That said, odds are they will have to pay tax when they register it so you are better off buying through a broken (there are several people doing this, just search the thread).

[Albertan]

Hey guys,

I was wondering, I am buying a used Suzuki and for the "Certificate of Origin (MSO) or Title of Vehicle" - Where do I get this if I am buying a used Suzuki from a private seller?

Also, I have an email from Suzuki confirming that the arranty on a used US vehicle will have the balance of a canadian warranty, however when I called Suzuki US re: the recall clearance letter, they stated that the warranty would not be valid. I assume they mean the US will no longer cover it on export, however Suzuki Canada has told me they will...

[scouzi]

I don't know if this is old news, but it was news to me.

I was at the Audi dealership in Nashua, New Hampshire yesterday, looking at buying a Q5.

The dealer told me that he could not sell me a new car because I was Canadian and that I would not be able to find an Audi dealer in the USA who would.

He said he was only allowed to sell me a used Audi. Problem is, Q5's just came out and there won't be a used Q5 available for a loooong time.

Is this even legal? I was wondering if I could rent an apartment in New Hampshire for a month, just so I have an address, and use that to buy the car, but I don't know if it's worth it. Any comments?

dough

It`s been this way for a while with Audi. Illegal or not, governments don`t seem to care.

[james-007]

Hey guys,

I was wondering, I am buying a used Suzuki and for the "Certificate of Origin (MSO) or Title of Vehicle" - Where do I get this if I am buying a used Suzuki from a private seller?

Also, I have an email from Suzuki confirming that the arranty on a used US vehicle will have the balance of a canadian warranty, however when I called Suzuki US re: the recall clearance letter, they stated that the warranty would not be valid. I assume they mean the US will no longer cover it on export, however Suzuki Canada has told me they will...

The seller should have the title. If he doesn't than I would say there is a Lien on the vehicle. Once the lien is paid off he'll have the title.

[w3ss]

anyone import a Pontiac Vibe? I called a New York state dealer and they said no. But one in Pennsylvania was open to it as long as I had a PO Box.

Can I also get financing there?

I'm also wondering the same thing. Want to pick up a Vibe. Not sure if its worth it yet.

I dont think you can get financing there unless you have credit in the US.

[fruzmatik]

I don't know if this is old news, but it was news to me.

I was at the Audi dealership in Nashua, New Hampshire yesterday, looking at buying a Q5.

The dealer told me that he could not sell me a new car because I was Canadian and that I would not be able to find an Audi dealer in the USA who would.

He said he was only allowed to sell me a used Audi. Problem is, Q5's just came out and there won't be a used Q5 available for a loooong time.


Old news, but I guarantee you can find a demo Q5!
Quick seach on cars.com brought up 39 used Q5's in the US.

[Sergio]

Give him an american address and be ready to pay state taxes if any.
Sergio

I don't know if this is old news, but it was news to me.

I was at the Audi dealership in Nashua, New Hampshire yesterday, looking at buying a Q5.

The dealer told me that he could not sell me a new car because I was Canadian and that I would not be able to find an Audi dealer in the USA who would.

He said he was only allowed to sell me a used Audi. Problem is, Q5's just came out and there won't be a used Q5 available for a loooong time.

Is this even legal? I was wondering if I could rent an apartment in New Hampshire for a month, just so I have an address, and use that to buy the car, but I don't know if it's worth it. Any comments?

dough

[ssainani]

It`s been this way for a while with Audi. Illegal or not, governments don`t seem to care.

while i wish prices were lower here too

i dont think it's illegal ... Audi should have a choice whether they sell to you or not -- i mean it IS a free market afterall

if you dont like their practices buy from someone else

[richmak]

Most BMW US dealers will not provide the recall clearance letter anymore. When I bought my '03 525iT wagon in 2008, I bought it from a non-BMW dealer and have to make them to obtain a screen print-out (acceptable form of recall clearance here) from the BMW US dealer.

As long as the screen print-out shows the VIN and the statement of "no outstanding recalls/campaigns" then this is all you need.

Cluster update is not part of the import requirements in Canada. Recall clearance letter / screen-printout is. If you couldn't obtain it prior to bringing it back to Canada you have no choice but to get ripped by the BMW dealers here in Canada.

Good luck.

Ok great, so cluster is ok, and DRL can be done in the USA before import.
I will get recall letter from BMW USA dealer and see if that works, as for warranty, on a 3-4 year BMW I'm ok without. I also see that there is a class action suite against BMW Canada regarding their new rules on people who import BMW's from the USA.

I will let you guys know my experience.

My target price for BMW Z4 2006 3.0 manual is 18,500USD.

My target price for BMW 330i 2006/07 manual is 22,500USD.

Stay tuned....
Sergio

[scouzi]

Most BMW US dealers will not provide the recall clearance letter anymore. When I bought my '03 525iT wagon in 2008, I bought it from a non-BMW dealer and have to make them to obtain a screen print-out (acceptable form of recall clearance here) from the BMW US dealer.

As long as the screen print-out shows the VIN and the statement of "no outstanding recalls/campaigns" then this is all you need.

Cluster update is not part of the import requirements in Canada. Recall clearance letter / screen-printout is. If you couldn't obtain it prior to bringing it back to Canada you have no choice but to get ripped by the BMW dealers here in Canada.

Good luck.

I believe that BMW insists on a cluster change for iDrive equipped cars only.

[DarkCat]

...Another is to have your relative buy the car and then sell it to you before it's registered (he still has the MSO, which is in his name) -- he exports the car (at US Customs), sells it to you immediately, and you bring the car and MSO across the border into Canada. So your cousin is the exporter of record and you're the importer of record.

Don't think too many people have done either of these approaches...


Interesting; has anyone tried this?
And if his state is not sales tax-free, will state taxes apply?


Darkcat

[GoogleFish]

i dont think it's illegal ... Audi should have a choice whether they sell to you or not -- i mean it IS a free market afterall



It is in contravention of NAFTA - the principle of which is the free flow of goods and services across borders. It for sure breaches the PRINCIPLES of the trade agreement, but legal experts will argue both sides whether it breaches the "letter" of the agreement, which is what the car manufacturers will hide behind. The car manufacturers do have enormous clout with the lawmakers.

[dealz888]

Yes, but it will take time (usually a few weeks) for him to receive the ownership. Best if your relative lives in a state with no purchase tax.

Earlier in this forum you can find alternative methods. One is to register a company in the US and have the company buy the car. Another is to have your relative buy the car and then sell it to you before it's registered (he still has the MSO, which is in his name) -- he exports the car (at US Customs), sells it to you immediately, and you bring the car and MSO across the border into Canada. So your cousin is the exporter of record and you're the importer of record.

Don't think too many people have done either of these approaches.

Some dealers have 'lightly used' new cars, with only a few hundred miles on. Just keep searching and you may find one with everything you want.

Problem is every dealer I spoke to insists they have to register the car with the DMV of whatever state the purchaser lives in . Will a dealer release the car without registration if the purchaser is a U.S. company? Has anyone tried this? What does it cost to register a U.S. company?

[rjmbc]

Problem is every dealer I spoke to insists they have to register the car with the DMV of whatever state the purchaser lives in . Will a dealer release the car without registration if the purchaser is a U.S. company? Has anyone tried this? What does it cost to register a U.S. company?

This is what I have been doing since late 2007. It works well and I have not had a problem with it to date. The company is incorporated in a TAX FREE STATE and that is where the vehicle is initially registered. Because of the way I do it the vehicle can usually be picked up at the dealer within 10-12 days.

See my earlier posts on this method. PM if you want more information.

[cinqhoda]

It is in contravention of NAFTA - the principle of which is the free flow of goods and services across borders. It for sure breaches the PRINCIPLES of the trade agreement, but legal experts will argue both sides whether it breaches the "letter" of the agreement, which is what the car manufacturers will hide behind. The car manufacturers do have enormous clout with the lawmakers.

NAFTA has nothing to do with whether or not a U.S. dealership will sell a new vehicle for export to Canada. If you do manage find a dealer that will sell you a brand new vehicle, NAFTA allows you to import that vehicle into Canada. Before NAFTA, you could not import a new vehicle into Canada. So, NAFTA is providing a free flow of goods across the border.

When a prospective dealer buys a franchise from a manufacturer, more often than not, they have restrictions built into their contracts that protect their, and other dealerships', sales territories. Sales territories are established to help provide a positive "return on investment" for the franchisee (this is why you don't see two Subway restaurants right next door to each other). Canada is a sales territory and the U.S. is a different sales territory. If they violate their "territorial" boundaries they can be subject to penalties from the manufacturer which can include losing "cash to dealer" rebates, having portions of their incoming stock diverted to other dealerships or even having their franchise revoked.

As far as "the government should get involved" position that I have read in other posts; They have been involved!!! eg. the Canadian government has harmonized bumper regulations so that now when you import that 2006 Porsche 911, you don't have to spend $10,000 for bumper mods (this applies to quite a few vehicles). They also relaxed the wording of the engine immobilizer law to make importation easier. The government should NOT be interfering with contracts (such as franchise agreements) between private parties.

Don't mean to be "preachy", just had to get that off my chest...:)

[longdong]

it's working for me, if you are ready to pay tax in state.

Open a PO box in US (near the border), and tell the dealership to do all papers work against this PO Box.

So you will need to pay state tax for your vehicle because you will need to register your vehicle in state first.

BTW, the PO box will cost you around 40$ a year or 25$/6 months.




I don't know if this is old news, but it was news to me.

I was at the Audi dealership in Nashua, New Hampshire yesterday, looking at buying a Q5.

The dealer told me that he could not sell me a new car because I was Canadian and that I would not be able to find an Audi dealer in the USA who would.

He said he was only allowed to sell me a used Audi. Problem is, Q5's just came out and there won't be a used Q5 available for a loooong time.

Is this even legal? I was wondering if I could rent an apartment in New Hampshire for a month, just so I have an address, and use that to buy the car, but I don't know if it's worth it. Any comments?

dough

[rjmbc]

it's working for me, if you are ready to pay tax in state.

Open a PO box in US (near the border), and tell the dealership to do all papers work against this PO Box.

So you will need to pay state tax for your vehicle because you will need to register your vehicle in state first.

BTW, the PO box will cost you around 40$ a year or 25$/6 months.

Yeah but it is the sales tax that kills you on this. Plus you can end up paying GST on the sales tax as well. Using a company does the same thing with a total, all in cost of between $700 & $1,400. In addition, if you do it right, you can actually have the "title" in your hands in a week or less. Some states take up to 4-6 weeks to get you the original title & you can not export without it.

[bmm34]

If your buying in New Hampshire there is no sales tax

[Monsieurmaggot]

Really?? So you can not go to the U.S and buy a new car then drive it back to Canada?? The laws are pretty tight i guess

There is no age restriction on the car you can bring across.

There are hundreds of posters on this site who have successfully imported NEW cars from the US.

The information to do it is free on this site.

Don't let anyone tell you that it's complicated or impossible.

[unknownzi]

Hey guys

I was looking to purchase a hatchback something along the lines of Toyota Matrix and Mazda 3 Sport.

After reading in here for several pages I noticed most of their dealers close to the border don't sell to Canadian residents. And it seems like to me that most people purchase more expensive vehicles that is where the true savings are.

Also from
http://www.importcartocanada.info/faq/canadian-vs-us-2008-vehicle-msrp-prices/#more-562

I compared both vehicles @ higher ends since I want one w/ sunroof and loaded from their site (2008 though, not sure the differences in 2009/2010 prices.)

Mazda 3 - CDN $31,095 USD $20,195
Savings after exchange rate of ~$8800

Toyota Matrix (2009) CDN $26,775 USD $17,820
Savings after exchange rate of ~$7100

Since I will most likely have to have it shipped from somewhere in the southern states, it'll cost me upwards of $1000-$2000. ?
Which will still be a savings of $5000.

So my questions are:
1. Are my savings accurate? I guess every state will be different.
2. Which state would be best to purchase a mazda/toyota that will be willing to sell to a Canadian residents?
3. How would I know which dealership to contact to quote on pricing?

[03terminator]

Hey guys

I was looking to purchase a hatchback something along the lines of Toyota Matrix and Mazda 3 Sport.

After reading in here for several pages I noticed most of their dealers close to the border don't sell to Canadian residents. And it seems like to me that most people purchase more expensive vehicles that is where the true savings are.

Also from
http://www.importcartocanada.info/faq/canadian-vs-us-2008-vehicle-msrp-prices/#more-562

I compared both vehicles @ higher ends since I want one w/ sunroof and loaded from their site (2008 though, not sure the differences in 2009/2010 prices.)

Mazda 3 - CDN $31,095 USD $20,195
Savings after exchange rate of ~$8800

Toyota Matrix (2009) CDN $26,775 USD $17,820
Savings after exchange rate of ~$7100

Since I will most likely have to have it shipped from somewhere in the southern states, it'll cost me upwards of $1000-$2000. ?
Which will still be a savings of $5000.

So my questions are:
1. Are my savings accurate? I guess every state will be different.
2. Which state would be best to purchase a mazda/toyota that will be willing to sell to a Canadian residents?
3. How would I know which dealership to contact to quote on pricing?

Don't know about the Matrix numbers but your number on the Mazda 3 are way off. The 2010 is a major redo and a comparable loaded GT with freight and PDI is around 26100 USD and 33500 CDN, now add in currency and 6.1% duty on the US purchase and you have a real difference of around 3,000 $$s. On a new car purchase its not worth it for the Mazda3. The US and Cdn model options structure is different, so you must be careful when comparing.

[scouzi]

NAFTA has nothing to do with whether or not a U.S. dealership will sell a new vehicle for export to Canada. If you do manage find a dealer that will sell you a brand new vehicle, NAFTA allows you to import that vehicle into Canada. Before NAFTA, you could not import a new vehicle into Canada. So, NAFTA is providing a free flow of goods across the border.

When a prospective dealer buys a franchise from a manufacturer, more often than not, they have restrictions built into their contracts that protect their, and other dealerships', sales territories. Sales territories are established to help provide a positive "return on investment" for the franchisee (this is why you don't see two Subway restaurants right next door to each other). Canada is a sales territory and the U.S. is a different sales territory. If they violate their "territorial" boundaries they can be subject to penalties from the manufacturer which can include losing "cash to dealer" rebates, having portions of their incoming stock diverted to other dealerships or even having their franchise revoked.

As far as "the government should get involved" position that I have read in other posts; They have been involved!!! eg. the Canadian government has harmonized bumper regulations so that now when you import that 2006 Porsche 911, you don't have to spend $10,000 for bumper mods (this applies to quite a few vehicles). They also relaxed the wording of the engine immobilizer law to make importation easier. The government should NOT be interfering with contracts (such as franchise agreements) between private parties.

Don't mean to be "preachy", just had to get that off my chest...:)


Your argument is flawed. Within Canada, you can buy any car at any dealership. There is nothing in their franchise agreement that prohibits an Ontario dealer from selling to Quebec residents and vice-versa. Quebec and Ontario are different regions. Believe me if they did - they would be investigated.

What you are talking about are territorial agreements regarding the franchise location but not to whom they can sell.

All these restrictions about selling to Canadians in the US started popping up after the dollar started rising. The goal is to keep the prices higher in Canada and that is against free-trade agreement and has nothing to do with regional territories.

It is clear in NAFTA, that a holding company cannot have collusive agreements between individual companies operating in the countries that are in NAFTA.

The only way to stop this is remove entirely the participation of the manufacturers from the importation process.

US and Canada have slightly different electrical standards yet you can import any electronic equipment across the border.

The manufacturers use NAFTA to their advantage with the free flow of cars and parts across the border with currency arbitrage - yet they do everything they can to prevent the public from doing the same.

To prevent this US and Canada should:

1) Harmonize even more regulations
2) Share recall information
3) Completely remove the manufacturer from the import process

The manufacturers could decide to cancel warranties but then they have to live with image risk from doing so.

It`s even more insulting when we have to bailout GM and Chrysler with our tax dollars and they continue to screw us over with higher retail prices. This is the thanks we get.

Porsche: After the government harmonized bumper regulations - they magically started charging $1500 for the recall letter. Porsche dealers in Canada have tons of US cars that have been "Canadianised".

[cinqhoda]

Your argument is flawed. Within Canada, you can buy any car at any dealership. There is nothing in their franchise agreement that prohibits an Ontario dealer from selling to Quebec residents and vice-versa. Quebec and Ontario are different regions. Believe me if they did - they would be investigated.

What you are talking about are territorial agreements regarding the franchise location but not to whom they can sell.

All these restrictions about selling to Canadians in the US started popping up after the dollar started rising. The goal is to keep the prices higher in Canada and that is against free-trade agreement and has nothing to do with regional territories.

It is clear in NAFTA, that a holding company cannot have collusive agreements between individual companies operating in the countries that are in NAFTA.

The only way to stop this is remove entirely the participation of the manufacturers from the importation process.

US and Canada have slightly different electrical standards yet you can import any electronic equipment across the border.

The manufacturers use NAFTA to their advantage with the free flow of cars and parts across the border with currency arbitrage - yet they do everything they can to prevent the public from doing the same.

To prevent this US and Canada should:

1) Harmonize even more regulations
2) Share recall information
3) Completely remove the manufacturer from the import process

The manufacturers could decide to cancel warranties but then they have to live with image risk from doing so.

It`s even more insulting when we have to bailout GM and Chrysler with our tax dollars and they continue to screw us over with higher retail prices. This is the thanks we get.

Porsche: After the government harmonized bumper regulations - they magically started charging $1500 for the recall letter. Porsche dealers in Canada have tons of US cars that have been "Canadianised".

Hi Scouzi,

I agree with just about all you mentioned above, especially the manufacturers being removed from the import process. I also agree with you in that a U.S. dealership can sell to whomever it wants to, but the stipulations that the customer must provide proof of U.S. residency and register the vehicle in the U.S. must exist (for most brands). If not, what would stop a U.S. Toyota dealership from selling its new vehicles to a Canadian Toyota dealership for less than what the Canadian dealer would pay for the same vehicle from Toyota Canada. Essentially, this is what is happening when a U.S. dealer is selling a new vehicle to a Canadian for the purpose of export, only the middleman (Canadian dealership) is cut out.
The argument I was trying to make is that the contract terms between the manufacturer and its dealership/franchisee does not fall under the NAFTA agreement. What NAFTA does allow is the ability for someone to import their new vehicle from the U.S. today whereas, pre-NAFTA, this was not possible.
Further to your point about the inter-provincial sales territories; two years ago, my father noticed that a new JCB backhoe was thousands of dollars cheaper in Quebec than in Alberta. He was going to buy it in Quebec and have it shipped to Alberta but the dealership would not sell him a new backhoe because it would violate their franchise territory agreement. They would have sold him a used one though...
Long story short, even though some manufacturers are trying to make it difficult and expensive to register a new vehicle from the U.S., they are not barring you from importing it. As you said, they will only hurt their own image. I used to look at importing a BMW, now I only look at Audi and Infiniti.

[jed]

Exactly - dealers do have a territory agreement, and if they violate it, they also open up themselves to others advertising and selling into their own territory. All of these discussions seem to focus on the dealer, when hes trying to make a living. It is the manufacturers who inflate vehicle and parts pricing to their own ends.

Back in the mid 90`s it was the Americans who had the more expensive product and they were flocking up here to buy. So the manufacturers inflated our pricing to make it not worthwhile for the Yankees to do so.

Manufacturers have a huge lobby in gov`t so while we could remove them from the importation process, its very possible they would find another way to throw a wrench in the gears. Not sure what the answer is.

[TheHemming]

Has anyone attempted to import a Hyundai? Any of the sedans/hatch backs?

Accent 3Dr
Sonata 4dr
Genesis (Coupe or Sedan)

PM me if you have any what's the story (mod required, money saved).

[john_rt]

I'm sorry, I know this has been covered multiple times but after 20 pages and a few searches have given up. I actually bought a Subie Legacy GT from the states in 2007 but i'm looking now to buy a toyota highlander or Lexus rx (hybrid preferred) and wondering if someone can tell me of any dealerships that may sell to cdn's,
even if not close to Toronto,

Else, does anyone know of any companies that offer this service (and are reputable)

tx

[sg0777]

Wondering if anyone has imported a 2010 Subaru Legacy? I'm hoping to confirm that no modifications are required.
Thanks

[rgc97]

Wondering if anyone has imported a 2010 Subaru Legacy? I'm hoping to confirm that no modifications are required.
Thanks

See RIV website:http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/safevehicles/importation/usa/vafus/list/SUBARU.htm

Notes refer to child seat tethers & immobilizer. I haven't heard of any issues for a couple of years now.

[sg0777]

See RIV website:http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/safevehicles/importation/usa/vafus/list/SUBARU.htm

Notes refer to child seat tethers & immobilizer. I haven't heard of any issues for a couple of years now.

I saw those and wasnt sure after I read the notes whether any modifications actually need to be done. Don't remember seeing any notes on child seat tethers when I imported my 08 Outback. I'm also unsure if the immobilizer is certified to CMVSS114 (assume that it isnt since the note is there). Guess I will try emailing the dealership. Thanks

[rgc97]

I saw those and wasnt sure after I read the notes whether any modifications actually need to be done. Don't remember seeing any notes on child seat tethers when I imported my 08 Outback. I'm also unsure if the immobilizer is certified to CMVSS114 (assume that it isnt since the note is there). Guess I will try emailing the dealership. Thanks

Here's what Subaru of Keene has on their website (they sell a lot to Canadians): All 2010 Subarus meet Transport Canada's List of Approved Vehicles Admissible from the United States. No additional maintenance modifications are required. Subaru of Keene stands ready to help you import your Subaru. Note: Transport Canada's list of 2010 cars is not up to date. All 2010 Subarus meet the immobilizer requirement.

I'm bringing a WRX across (it's on order, but not in the country yet).

[rjmbc]

I'm sorry, I know this has been covered multiple times but after 20 pages and a few searches have given up. I actually bought a Subie Legacy GT from the states in 2007 but i'm looking now to buy a toyota highlander or Lexus rx (hybrid preferred) and wondering if someone can tell me of any dealerships that may sell to cdn's,
even if not close to Toronto,

Else, does anyone know of any companies that offer this service (and are reputable)

tx

I sent you a PM regarding this.

[diabolo]

I'm sorry, I know this has been covered multiple times but after 20 pages and a few searches have given up. I actually bought a Subie Legacy GT from the states in 2007 but i'm looking now to buy a toyota highlander or Lexus rx (hybrid preferred) and wondering if someone can tell me of any dealerships that may sell to cdn's,
even if not close to Toronto,

Else, does anyone know of any companies that offer this service (and are reputable)

tx

You can contact rjmbc, I just got a new Subaru Tribeca through him. No issues.

[mecyl]

Have any one import 2010 outback from Subaru of Keene ?

[john_rt]

You can contact rjmbc, I just got a new Subaru Tribeca through him. No issues.

Why did you go through RJMBC for a subie?
I thought Subie was the one model we can import no problem,
just wondering,

tx

[rgc97]

FX rate this morning is .9465; equals a multiplier of 1.0638 (based on my bank's charges of 0.0065).

[blangela]

Here's what Subaru of Keene has on their website (they sell a lot to Canadians): All 2010 Subarus meet Transport Canada's List of Approved Vehicles Admissible from the United States. No additional maintenance modifications are required. Subaru of Keene stands ready to help you import your Subaru. Note: Transport Canada's list of 2010 cars is not up to date. All 2010 Subarus meet the immobilizer requirement.

I'm bringing a WRX across (it's on order, but not in the country yet).

I bought a new 2008 WRX in Feb. 2008 for approx. 30K after all fees and taxes - the cheapest WRX in Vancouver at that time was 40K all taxes, etc. in. Though the Canadian WRX had about 2K in features (they were not an option in Cananda) which the US WRX I bought did not have. BTW, the US/Canadian currency were equal at the time I made my purchase.

Curious to know if you are seeing similar savings on your new WRX?

[diabolo]

Why did you go through RJMBC for a subie?
I thought Subie was the one model we can import no problem,
just wondering,

tx

It was because, US dealers stopped selling to Canadians without registering it first over there.

[chene]

It was because, US dealers stopped selling to Canadians without registering it first over there.

NOT TRUE for Subaru!

registration in the US may be asked if the dealer wants to get their share of volume incentive. registration is needed if the buyer wants to get the manufacturer's incentive (which is NONE for 2010 model, except if you are leasing). But once the car is registered in the US the buyer is subject to the state sales tax, and in certain states there is no sales tax if the car is to be immediately exported.

You should go to an importer if you intend to buy cars such as Toyota (no dealer close to the boarder will sell to Canadian without registering the car) or Nissan (the car has to be registered for at least 1 day to get warranty in Canada). But for Subaru the above statement is totally not true.

[mangoman]

but the US dealer cannot pass on rebates to you the buyer if you are not registering in the US first. Van Bortel was pretty upfront about disclosing this info to prospective Cdn. buyers.

NOT TRUE for Subaru!

registration in the US may be asked if the dealer wants to get their share of volume incentive. registration is needed if the buyer wants to get the manufacturer's incentive (which is NONE for 2010 model, except if you are leasing). But once the car is registered in the US the buyer is subject to the state sales tax, and in certain states there is no sales tax if the car is to be immediately exported.

You should go to an importer if you intend to buy cars such as Toyota (no dealer close to the boarder will sell to Canadian without registering the car) or Nissan (the car has to be registered for at least 1 day to get warranty in Canada). But for Subaru the above statement is totally not true.

[chene]

but the US dealer cannot pass on rebates to you the buyer if you are not registering in the US first. Van Bortel was pretty upfront about disclosing this info to prospective Cdn. buyers.

Please read my reply more carefully.

What you said is true and I've stated it in my reply, which you quoted. So what is the "but" for?

The original state that I disputed was

"It was because, US dealers stopped selling to Canadians without registering it first over there. "

US subaru dealers are more than happy to sell CDN buyer cars, even without rebates.

regardless, there is no US cash rebate (to the buyer) for 2010 models anyway, so by registering the car in the US you are only penalizing the buyer by paying US sales tax.

[mangoman]

Sorry - my bad! :) I only saw the first part of the line where you said that the dealer won't get their volume incentive. That's what happens when you're eating lunch and reading/replying!

Please read my reply more carefully.

What you said is true and I've stated it in my reply, which you quoted. So what is the "but" for?

The original state that I disputed was

"It was because, US dealers stopped selling to Canadians without registering it first over there. "

US subaru dealers are more than happy to sell CDN buyer cars, even without rebates.

regardless, there is no US cash rebate (to the buyer) for 2010 models anyway, so by registering the car in the US you are only penalizing the buyer by paying US sales tax.

[rgc97]

I bought a new 2008 WRX in Feb. 2008 for approx. 30K after all fees and taxes - the cheapest WRX in Vancouver at that time was 40K all taxes, etc. in. Though the Canadian WRX had about 2K in features (they were not an option in Cananda) which the US WRX I bought did not have. BTW, the US/Canadian currency were equal at the time I made my purchase.

Curious to know if you are seeing similar savings on your new WRX?

Not quite your savings, as I got .9307 when I exchanged my Cdn $ (done in August). But it will be a bit over $6.5K. Bit of an apples and oranges comparison now since we have 2 versions in Canada, and the US Premium is in-between. I wanted a sun roof, but not leather. I won't get the HK sound system, but do get a 10-speaker system. It's not just the savings with the car and the delivery charge, but also the options.

VanBortel just added the 2010 WRX to their website pricing, so anyone can check it out.

[blangela]

Not quite your savings, as I got .9307 when I exchanged my Cdn $ (done in August). But it will be a bit over $6.5K. Bit of an apples and oranges comparison now since we have 2 versions in Canada, and the US Premium is in-between. I wanted a sun roof, but not leather. I won't get the HK sound system, but do get a 10-speaker system. It's not just the savings with the car and the delivery charge, but also the options.

VanBortel just added the 2010 WRX to their website pricing, so anyone can check it out.

Thanks for your reply. Sorry, what is VanBortel ?

[mangoman]

Subaru dealer in NY state that likes Cdn customers!

Thanks for your reply. Sorry, what is VanBortel ?

[vipt2000]

Why did you go through RJMBC for a subie?
I thought Subie was the one model we can import no problem,
just wondering,

tx

Through RJMBC, he was able to receive all US rebates which you wouldn't normally qualify (unless you car is registered in US first)

am I right?

[rjmbc]

Through RJMBC, he was able to receive all US rebates which you wouldn't normally qualify (unless you car is registered in US first)

am I right?

That is correct.

[mplsv]

eventhough we sit at about .95 now, it gets a lot better. You could buy gold, profit from the climb, and then take even more money to the dealer down south. Hold off on your purchase just a little longer. I'm a little giddy.

[brian.gerson]

What is the exact Euro car duty/tax calculation for an Ontario resident?

Duty = (USPrice in CAN$ at time of import) * 6.1%
GST = 5% * (USPrice in CAN$)
PST = 8%* (USPrice in CAN$)

Total = (USPrice in CAN$) + Duty + GST + PST + RIV

Is that right?

[rjmbc]

What is the exact Euro car duty/tax calculation for an Ontario resident?

Duty = (USPrice in CAN$ at time of import) * 6.1%
GST = 5% * (USPrice in CAN$)
PST = 8%* (USPrice in CAN$)

Total = (USPrice in CAN$) + Duty + GST + PST + RIV

Is that right?

I believe that the GST & PST are calculated on the (USPrice in CAN$+Duty+A/C Tax). You also forgot the $100 A/C tax.

[brian.gerson]

Thanks, computation for GST seems to be:

GST=((USPrice in CAN$) + ACTax + 6.1% + GreenLevy) * 5%

See http://cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/pub/bsf5048-eng.html#s5

GreenLevy seems not to apply to the 2003 Porsche I'm considering (surprisingly).

Now to find out the Ontario PST calculation.

[mecyl]

Why did you go through RJMBC for a subie?
I thought Subie was the one model we can import no problem,
just wondering,

tx

who is RJMBC??

[rjmbc]

who is RJMBC??

I am a retired individual who found a "work around" that allows you to buy new vehicles from dealers in the US.

Here is a method that I used to buy a Toyota Highlander from the US. It is not dealer dependent and would probably work for other makes as well. I saved over $12,000 after all expenses (including the incorporation) , for a Highlander Hybrid.

Here is what I did and how it worked:

I incorporated a company in U.S. - through a lawyer in Montana

I made a deal, on behalf of the U.S. company with the local Toyota Dealer for the Highlander.

I sent the money to the lawyer, who exchanged it for the Vehicle.

The lawyer then registered the vehicle in U.S.

The U.S company then sold it to me immediately after registration (lawyer prepared documents)

I picked it up at the Dealership & drove it home, and the vehicle never left the dealers lot until I picked it up.

Total time - less than a week

Total fees & expenses - $1,400.00 for everything -

No SALES TAX - other than Canadian GST crossing the border. The vehicle could be purchased in State without sales tax, so you could use a state closer to you for the purchase.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO USE MY COMPANY, the cost of the next vehicle is approximately $500-$650 as I already have the corporation done up. This represents all legal work, disbursements & registration. The variable is the actual cost of the registration. In the past year we assisted about 20+ individuals do purchases and no problems have been encountered.

I would like $250 on top of that to recover part of my original $1,400. and the costs of maintaining the company, the total cost to you would be around $750 to $900.

PM me if you are interested I can "walk you through" the process.

[hammer]

I am a retired individual who found a "work around" that allows you to buy new vehicles from dealers in the US.

Here is a method that I used to buy a Toyota Highlander from the US. It is not dealer dependent and would probably work for other makes as well. I saved over $12,000 after all expenses (including the incorporation) , for a Highlander Hybrid.

Here is what I did and how it worked:

I incorporated a company in U.S. - through a lawyer in Montana

I made a deal, on behalf of the U.S. company with the local Toyota Dealer for the Highlander.

I sent the money to the lawyer, who exchanged it for the Vehicle.

The lawyer then registered the vehicle in U.S.

The U.S company then sold it to me immediately after registration (lawyer prepared documents)

I picked it up at the Dealership & drove it home, and the vehicle never left the dealers lot until I picked it up.

Total time - less than a week

Total fees & expenses - $1,400.00 for everything -

No SALES TAX - other than Canadian GST crossing the border. The vehicle could be purchased in State without sales tax, so you could use a state closer to you for the purchase.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO USE MY COMPANY, the cost of the next vehicle is approximately $500-$650 as I already have the corporation done up. This represents all legal work, disbursements & registration. The variable is the actual cost of the registration. In the past year we assisted about 20+ individuals do purchases and no problems have been encountered.

I would like $250 on top of that to recover part of my original $1,400. and the costs of maintaining the company, the total cost to you would be around $750 to $900.

PM me if you are interested I can "walk you through" the process.

HOW About duty?

[waltereo]

Hi,

When you buy car in US, you better pay it cash or still make monthly payment ?

What is recommended ??

Thanks

[HotDeal]

I am a retired individual who found a "work around" that allows you to buy new vehicles from dealers in the US.

Here is a method that I used to buy a Toyota Highlander from the US. It is not dealer dependent and would probably work for other makes as well. I saved over $12,000 after all expenses (including the incorporation) , for a Highlander Hybrid.

Here is what I did and how it worked:

I incorporated a company in U.S. - through a lawyer in Montana

I made a deal, on behalf of the U.S. company with the local Toyota Dealer for the Highlander.

I sent the money to the lawyer, who exchanged it for the Vehicle.

The lawyer then registered the vehicle in U.S.

The U.S company then sold it to me immediately after registration (lawyer prepared documents)

I picked it up at the Dealership & drove it home, and the vehicle never left the dealers lot until I picked it up.

Total time - less than a week

Total fees & expenses - $1,400.00 for everything -

No SALES TAX - other than Canadian GST crossing the border. The vehicle could be purchased in State without sales tax, so you could use a state closer to you for the purchase.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO USE MY COMPANY, the cost of the next vehicle is approximately $500-$650 as I already have the corporation done up. This represents all legal work, disbursements & registration. The variable is the actual cost of the registration. In the past year we assisted about 20+ individuals do purchases and no problems have been encountered.

I would like $250 on top of that to recover part of my original $1,400. and the costs of maintaining the company, the total cost to you would be around $750 to $900.

PM me if you are interested I can "walk you through" the process.

Where did you buy it. Did you buy it in Oregon or Alaska ? (no sales tax in these states). Can a regular Highlander and hybrid be imported duty free?

Can you give us an idea how much your Highlander Hybrid with your set of options cost you?

Thanks.

[Fate]

Where did you buy it. Did you buy it in Oregon or Alaska ? (no sales tax in these states). Can a regular Highlander and hybrid be imported duty free?

Can you give us an idea how much your Highlander Hybrid with your set of options cost you?

Thanks.

He bought in Montana and registered in Alaska. No sales tax. Duty is required, 6.1% as it is manufactured in Japan. Although, Toyota is supposedly going to start manufacturing them in Indiana in December, thus eliminating the Duty.

Rjmbc's cost would be dependent on the dealer. But if you read around on the forums, buyers of highlanders are typically getting 2k-3k off the msrp, depending on trim. That's quite a bit different than in Canada where you start at the msrp and go up from there.

I'm looking at a highlander limited w/nav, msrp of a little over 39k us, I have a quote of around 37k. After duty, taxes, lawyers, inspections, me flying down there etc. my cost is under 48k Canadian. That vehicle starts at 48k in Canada, before taxes, transportation fees, registration etc. Will easily be over 56k when all is said and done.

Works out to around 8k savings for a couple hours of homework and a couple days to fly there and drive back.

Rjmbc has been walking me through this. If/when I do this, I think my $250 will be well spent.
Hi,

When you buy car in US, you better pay it cash or still make monthly payment ?

What is recommended ??

Thanks
The only way you can finance it bought out of the US is to get a loan from your bank. Manufacturers/Dealers in the US will not finance Canadians. The best savings to be had are when you can pay cash.

[rjmbc]

Where did you buy it. Did you buy it in Oregon or Alaska ? (no sales tax in these states). Can a regular Highlander and hybrid be imported duty free?

Can you give us an idea how much your Highlander Hybrid with your set of options cost you?

Thanks.

I sent you a PM

[hammer]

I sent you a PM

me too please:lol:

[marcopolo85]

Anyone try bringing a VW to canada? im guessing it will be the same as audi and will no allow a sale to canadians.

I just built a gti on vw.com and vw.ca

vw.com gives me $27,775US compared to $37,805cad from vw.ca after taxes and all other fees with the same options. An approximate difference of $10,000.

[Anonymouse]

You need to know that VW will not honour the US warranty in Canada for anything after the 2008 model year.

[marcopolo85]

You need to know that VW will not honour the US warranty in Canada for anything after the 2008 model year.

ah ok so much for that. thanks.

[Anonymouse]

I think there are going to be a lot more US cars on Canadian roads going forward. The used car dealer auctions are drying up because nobody is buying new cars (which is the only thing that creates a used car). The people who transport cars from the auctions are being laid off. This means wholesale prices are rising, because the supply is limited.

In order to provide used product at a price Canadians can stomach, the dealers are going to have to source cars in the US. This should help to make it more "normal" to have a US car, which is a Good Thing for folks like us interested in importing.

[shopper-X]

Anyone try bringing a VW to canada? im guessing it will be the same as audi and will no allow a sale to canadians.

I just built a gti on vw.com and vw.ca

vw.com gives me $27,775US compared to $37,805cad from vw.ca after taxes and all other fees with the same options. An approximate difference of $10,000.

Don't forget the 6.1% duty in your calculations. Savings will be down to $8,000.

[marcopolo85]

Canadian dollar at .97 today :cheesygri

Don't forget the 6.1% duty in your calculations. Savings will be down to $8,000.

+pst and gst and $200 riv fee

Still looking at about $5k in savings. But not having warranty makes it no longer an option.

Now looking at maybe importing a subaru.

[rgc97]

In order to provide used product at a price Canadians can stomach, the dealers are going to have to source cars in the US. This should help to make it more "normal" to have a US car, which is a Good Thing for folks like us interested in importing.

We saw lots of this when our dollar was last at par -- more used cars coming over than new cars. And dealers were making much more $$ on used cars than new cars. But given how easy it is to import, we're still better off finding a car and doing it ourselves.

[rgc97]

Now looking at maybe importing a subaru.

Excellent pricing for Subaru's at VanBortel (Rochester, NY) & Manchester Subaru (Manchester, NH; for NASIOC members -- anyone can join):

VB: http://www.vanbortelsubaru.com/buildyourcar.asp

MS: details at http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1800255&highlight=Manchester+subaru

[Lost Horizon]

Anyone try bringing a VW to canada? im guessing it will be the same as audi and will no allow a sale to canadians.

I just built a gti on vw.com and vw.ca

vw.com gives me $27,775US compared to $37,805cad from vw.ca after taxes and all other fees with the same options. An approximate difference of $10,000.

Don't forget the 6.1% duty in your calculations. Savings will be down to $8,000.



Canadian dollar at .97 today :cheesygri



+pst and gst and $200 riv fee

Still looking at about $5k in savings. But not having warranty makes it no longer an option.

Now looking at maybe importing a subaru.

Ah... the GST and PST are on both deals. So the savings are MORE than 8000, when you consider the savings on the tax difference on the 8000

[laron]

Can anyone please recommend a Nissan or Acura dealer somewhere on the East Coast? I can go far down south if needed.

Looking to buy used. Ideally either a 350z or RSX. I'd greatly appreciate if anyone had any experience with either model and wouldn't mind sharing.

Thanks.

[jakemtl]

Excellent pricing for Subaru's at VanBortel (Rochester, NY) & Manchester Subaru (Manchester, NH; for NASIOC members -- anyone can join):

VB: http://www.vanbortelsubaru.com/buildyourcar.asp

MS: details at http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1800255&highlight=Manchester+subaru

Great idea with the NASIOC, however in the 1st paragraph it states quite clearly, "prices are only applicable to American residents." There is a lot of discrimination against Canadian buyers - I hate BS like this. Just b/c Subaru sells to Canadians doesn't mean you will get the dealer to budge from MSRP (they don't have to since the alternative is a much more expensive purchase in Canada!)

[killbillvol1]

Can anyone please recommend a Nissan or Acura dealer somewhere on the East Coast? I can go far down south if needed.

Looking to buy used. Ideally either a 350z or RSX. I'd greatly appreciate if anyone had any experience with either model and wouldn't mind sharing.

Thanks.

Neither of those are import friendly and provide a warranty for import - especially Honda/Acura who are complete pricks.

Support an automaker that does - I'd say buy Toyota/Lexus/Subaru.

[Dreyfus]

I agree with Anonymouse that our appreciating dollar will save the used car industry in Canada. Prices differences of used cars in the US and Canada will be less as Canadian used car dealers subscribe to Mannheim auctions as far away as Phoenix, Arizona. There will still be opportunities for individuals to make money on low volume cars and well equipped higher trim cars. New car dealers are forced to expand their used car business as new car sales continue to decline. New cars will decrease in price in Canada due to lack of demand and used car competition. We live in interesting times. The new car dealer associations will be lobbying government furiously for protection. The insurance brokers were successful in lobbying Harper/Flaherty to keep the bank car insurance companies off the internet, let us hope the gov't doesn't cave again.

[phatbacki3]

ughhh
car burner website is down
anyone have an alternative????????????

[MasterXan]

Neither of those are import friendly and provide a warranty for import - especially Honda/Acura who are complete pricks.

Support an automaker that does - I'd say buy Toyota/Lexus/Subaru.

or Infiniti

it's wierd how Nissan doesn't honor U.S. warranties but Infiniti does

[Sloan55]

or Infiniti

it's wierd how Nissan doesn't honor U.S. warranties but Infiniti does

I was under the impression that Nissan does honour warranties, as long as the vehicle has been registered for 6 months in the US prior to importing into Canada. Can anyone clear this up?

[marcopolo85]

I was under the impression that Nissan does honour warranties, as long as the vehicle has been registered for 6 months in the US prior to importing into Canada. Can anyone clear this up?

This is correct according to this:
http://docs.google.com/present/view?skipauth=true&id=dgqd9brw_2gbh66vcm

also on http://www.importcartocanada.info/tools/warranty-coverage-check/ says
AUDI
BMW
Ford
Infiniti
Lexus
Mazda
Toyota
Volvo
all have valid canadian warranty when imported from the US. List was made march 2008 so may be different now.

[blainehamilton]

Can anyone comment on bringing back an RV from the US? One member here brought back a motorhome, I'm looking at bringing back a park trailer if there isn't too many hoops to jump thru...

[diigii]

Haven't been on here for the past year. Been busy. Just wanna say hi to all of you importers.

Looks like another wave of importers is coming with the dollar's appreciation to par in the coming weeks. Good luck to all!

[kaelc]

Hi,

Can you PM me if you know a Toyota Dealer willing to sell new to a Canadian? Looking for Tundra Crewmax 4x4 Off-Road Package with 20" Wheels.

Thanks

[johnsa]

Haven't been on here for the past year. Been busy. Just wanna say hi to all of you importers.

Looks like another wave of importers is coming with the dollar's appreciation to par in the coming weeks. Good luck to all!


:twisted: Looking at used 2008 Corvettes to import...

[johnsa]

Hi,

Can you PM me if you know a Toyota Dealer willing to sell new to a Canadian? Looking for Tundra Crewmax 4x4 Off-Road Package with 20" Wheels.

Thanks

You wont get a new one..search Autotrader.com for used though...

[marklin]

Hi,

Can you PM me if you know a Toyota Dealer willing to sell new to a Canadian? Looking for Tundra Crewmax 4x4 Off-Road Package with 20" Wheels.

Thanks

Read post 16797:

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/9564535-post16797/

[tiron]

Neither of those are import friendly and provide a warranty for import - especially Honda/Acura who are complete pricks.

Support an automaker that does - I'd say buy Toyota/Lexus/Subaru.

Not sure why you'd be singing the praises of Toyota (or presumably Lexus) since the US dealers generally won't sell new to Canadians. So, for all practical purposes, Toyota's no better than Honda/Acura.

[mangoman]

But if you bought a 1 year old Toyota or Lexus you'd actually still have warranty. Buy a Honda or Acura new or used and you're SOL.

Not sure why you'd be singing the praises of Toyota (or presumably Lexus) since the US dealers generally won't sell new to Canadians. So, for all practical purposes, Toyota's no better than Honda/Acura.

[luxurytravel]

Not sure if this is the right space to do this, but here it goes.

I am looking to partner up with an individual in Vancouver who has entensive knowledge about importing cars/trucks into B.C.

I would be the buyer, and assume the financial aspect (buying the vehicle, paying taxes etc), and we would then resell the vehicle for a profit. I would provide the money, and the partner would research the type of vehicle to buy and be responsible for selling the vehicle. I would split the net profit with 75% of the proceeds coming to me, and 25% of the profits going to the partner (as I am assuming the entire financial risk). If successful, we would rinse and repeat.

I have an office in Vancouver and would like to deal with someone locally. Let me know if this is of interest to anyone.

[killbillvol1]

But if you bought a 1 year old Toyota or Lexus you'd actually still have warranty. Buy a Honda or Acura new or used and you're SOL.

+1

Also, Honda and Acura absolutely refuse to give you the recall letter, or get any recall work done. Toyota actually treats you like a customer. Nissan even fixed my US recall here in Canada.

[iceage]

Fx35 looks good

[MMMM]

Originally Posted by killbillvol1
Also, Honda and Acura absolutely refuse to give you the recall letter, or get any recall work done. Toyota actually treats you like a customer. Nissan even fixed my US recall here in Canada.

Not sure you are correct about this. TSB's and recalls are required regardless where you bought the car. Honda is well aware of this and has serviced my imported Element twice for TSB's. I asked and they did the work. Both times no charge. And if you read way.... earlier in this thread I think you will find a similar discussion:).

[Raven_007]

Did anyone tried to send recall letter to RIV prior to importing the vehicle? How does it work? I will try to call them tomorrow morning.

[maxillo]

I imported a Toyota FJ back in Nov of 07 and got a great deal. With the dollar on the rise, I'm looking at an 06 Porsche 911.

Anyone have advise as to where to exchange the $50K into US $ for this? Going through the bank costs 2%. I remember someone mentioning XE.com but I'm not sure how that would work as they seem to deal with currency trading, not so much currency exchange.

cheers

Mike

[dracore]

I imported a Toyota FJ back in Nov of 07 and got a great deal. With the dollar on the rise, I'm looking at an 06 Porsche 911.

Anyone have advise as to where to exchange the $50K into US $ for this? Going through the bank costs 2%. I remember someone mentioning XE.com but I'm not sure how that would work as they seem to deal with currency trading, not so much currency exchange.

cheers

Mike

I used PeerFX since they had low fees. Since then I question their exchange rate that they use though... it's not updated very often.

[rob187jj]

anyone with info on good places to look for 2006-2007 GMC savana 2500 or chevy express 2500 cargo vans, let me know plz. found a few places but any recommendations will be appreciated.

thanks

[killbillvol1]

Not sure you are correct about this. TSB's and recalls are required regardless where you bought the car. Honda is well aware of this and has serviced my imported Element twice for TSB's. I asked and they did the work. Both times no charge. And if you read way.... earlier in this thread I think you will find a similar discussion:).

I may have reached a bit, for which I apologise but I was under the impression that getting recall work done in Canada was something Honda was not friendly about.

That being said, I'm quite certain that Honda will not help Canadians get the recall letter (unless you feign being US, or coerce the dealer to get one for you).

[goodzyk]

I may have reached a bit, for which I apologise but I was under the impression that getting recall work done in Canada was something Honda was not friendly about.

That being said, I'm quite certain that Honda will not help Canadians get the recall letter (unless you feign being US, or coerce the dealer to get one for you).

When I brought my Accord over last year RIV allowed use of a printout from Honda Ownerlink in place of a recall letter - easy to do..not sure if thats still followed...I also have had both a recall and TSB done no charge at a Honda dealer ...

[HP_John]

Fx35 looks good

The following may not apply to the FX, but based on the G37 coupe, it's not worth it to import right now. As the FX is also Infiniti, you should run all the numbers to make a fair comparison on how much you'll really save. The G37 coupe would be cheaper to buy in Canada currently by over $3,300 than to import from the US.

Infiniti Canada
$45,200 MSRP +
$1,825 Freight & PDE -
$5,000 Cash Purchase Credit =
$42,025 Total Before Taxes

Infiniti USA
$36,650 MSRP +
$3,200 Premium Package (Standard in Canada) +
$865 Destination & Handling =
$40,715 x
1.05 (what the bank will charge on a $0.97/$1.03 exchange rate) =
$42,750.75 +
6.1% Duty =
$45,358.55 Total Before Taxes

[freewheel]

I imported a Toyota FJ back in Nov of 07 and got a great deal. With the dollar on the rise, I'm looking at an 06 Porsche 911.

Anyone have advise as to where to exchange the $50K into US $ for this? Going through the bank costs 2%. I remember someone mentioning XE.com but I'm not sure how that would work as they seem to deal with currency trading, not so much currency exchange.

cheers

Mike

I've been looking at the exchange rates over the last couple of weeks. The best rate I have found in through Vancouveer Bullion Exchange. You are required to send them a notarized copy of your passport if you can't come in person.

On $22,000 savings were almost $300 over banks and XE.com.

They will also wire miney for you at $25, my bank charges $30.

[marcopolo85]

Has anyone experienced any problems bringing over a mazda?

Mazda 3 speed looks quite attractive at $24k USD base price in the US compared to $33k CAD base price here in canada.

[jrvic]

When I brought my Accord over last year RIV allowed use of a printout from Honda Ownerlink in place of a recall letter - easy to do..not sure if thats still followed...I also have had both a recall and TSB done no charge at a Honda dealer ...

Do you have any experience with getting work done under warranty, or they just plain don't honour it here?
My Lexus dealer welcome my imported RX350 with open arms for any type of works. The only catch is they don't provide courtesy vehicle for the day. Lexus USA provided recall letter within 10 mininutes of a call to their office. For that, I will even give Toyota/Lexus Canada my next purchase, providing that the price difference is not huge.

[jrvic]

I imported a Toyota FJ back in Nov of 07 and got a great deal. With the dollar on the rise, I'm looking at an 06 Porsche 911.

Anyone have advise as to where to exchange the $50K into US $ for this? Going through the bank costs 2%. I remember someone mentioning XE.com but I'm not sure how that would work as they seem to deal with currency trading, not so much currency exchange.

cheers

Mike

I use TDFX. They charge about 0.4 cent premium (less than 1 cent), but you need to open an account with them.

[goodzyk]

Do you have any experience with getting work done under warranty, or they just plain don't honour it here?
My Lexus dealer welcome my imported RX350 with open arms for any type of works. The only catch is they don't provide courtesy vehicle for the day. Lexus USA provided recall letter within 10 mininutes of a call to their office. For that, I will even give Toyota/Lexus Canada my next purchase, providing that the price difference is not huge.

I was about to buy a lexus is250 in Utah last year, and Lexus USA was also quick and responsive to provide a recall letter - same thing with Mazda. i was pleasantly surprised with Honda when the dealer here fixed a timing belt issue on my US Pilot that was under a TSB..One can also purchase a 3rd party warranty in the US that will cover Canada (believe there is now a firm up here that will do the same) I had a 3 year warranty on my pilot- cost $900. 3 yrs ago-never got to use it :cheesygri

[luxurytravel]

For foreign exchange in BC, try:

1. Custom House Currency Exchange

2. Citizen's Bank

Both should not keep a spread of one third of a penny. Not sure if you can transact real money, but if you have a foreign exchange trading account with Questrade or similar, you can get rates as low as 4 pips (ie. spot rate is 1.0325, you pay 1.0329 for a USD.)

[miss_swan]

Do you have any experience with getting work done under warranty, or they just plain don't honour it here?
My Lexus dealer welcome my imported RX350 with open arms for any type of works. The only catch is they don't provide courtesy vehicle for the day. Lexus USA provided recall letter within 10 mininutes of a call to their office. For that, I will even give Toyota/Lexus Canada my next purchase, providing that the price difference is not huge.

Just to clarify:

For a non-import Lexus (Canadian), under warranty work they will provide courtesy vehicles.

For your import Lexus, under warranty work they will NOT provide courtesy vehicles.

I could live with that given the potential savings.

[a2vr6]

ANyone import a Genesis coupe? Would you figure Hyundai is one of the more reasonable companies that allow imports from dealers?

[Sloan55]

When I brought my Accord over last year RIV allowed use of a printout from Honda Ownerlink in place of a recall letter - easy to do..not sure if thats still followed...I also have had both a recall and TSB done no charge at a Honda dealer ...

You do not need a recall letter from Honda or Acura. Just go to their US based websites and sign up in the Owner's Section, put your VIN number in and print out the page that says recalls. RIV will also do this for you.

[jrvic]

Just to clarify:

For a non-import Lexus (Canadian), under warranty work they will provide courtesy vehicles.

For your import Lexus, under warranty work they will NOT provide courtesy vehicles.

I could live with that given the potential savings.

Yes that's it, but it's also applicable to scheduled maintenance. However they will give you rides to and from the dealer in any cases.
I think the difference between this and 3rd party warranty is no additional paperwork to fill out to make warranty claims. For example, my battery die after 14 months of usage, the GTA Lexus dealer looked at the battery and reccommended a replacement on the spot. I drove off with a brand new battery at 0 cost within a couple of hours, quite hassle free.

[urkidn]

Just called a NY dealership about a BMW I am interested in and was told that it has to be bank financed otherwise it would be an additional $3500. I doubt I would be able to acquire a US car loan. I don't have time to read through the entire 1100 pages of this thread, anyone run into this scenario before?

[southpaw4golf]

Just called a NY dealership about a BMW I am interested in and was told that it has to be bank financed otherwise it would be an additional $3500. I doubt I would be able to acquire a US car loan. I don't have time to read through the entire 1100 pages of this thread, anyone run into this scenario before?

My opinion these terms are to complicated find another BMW, too many to choose from without any strings attached.

[bkushner]

Fx35 looks good

That's funny! not many people think that nowadays with the 2009 model!

[Sergio]

Guys,

Has anyone found any Canadian friendly BMW USA dealers in the north east? I'm considerring getting a new BMW if it makes sense.

My other option is to get a 2-3 year old BMW, so a Canadian Friendly used car dealer with lots of BMW's in stock in North East, is my plan B.

Let me know your BMW purchase expience in the USA.

I'm shopping for a
Z4 3.0 manual 2006, my target is 18,000$ USD
330i manual 2006, my target is 21,000$ USD


Ciao...
Sergio

[johnsa]

I am looking at importing another car form the US but I am considering skipping the stop at the US CUSTOMS to get the title stamped.

There was a bit of discussion about this over 1 yr ago. I do not plan to ever bring the carback into the US after I import it. I want to know if anyone has gone to Canadian Customs without the US Customs stamp on the Title and had any problems.

Thanks, all

[dracore]

Guys,

Has anyone found any Canadian friendly BMW USA dealers in the north east? I'm considerring getting a new BMW if it makes sense.

My other option is to get a 2-3 year old BMW, so a Canadian Friendly used car dealer with lots of BMW's in stock in North East, is my plan B.

Let me know your BMW purchase expience in the USA.

I'm shopping for a
Z4 3.0 manual 2006, my target is 18,000$ USD
330i manual 2006, my target is 21,000$ USD


Ciao...
Sergio

Hey Sergio,

Not happy with your MDX? :-) Modifications will also be required to meet canadian regulations and the changes must be made at the BMW dealership. I believe I've read that it's another $3500+ fee for the modifications alone.

BTW I just recently imported my '08 MDX. Drove it all the way from Chicago back to Toronto and it was a blast to drive!

[ozzy11118]

Hi all it's been a while since I bought my toyota last summer in Georgia. Now it looks like another good opportunity to buy down south. Does anyone have leads on a 2010 Ford Taurus limited down south. I'm coming from Ontario so I'm not considering western states. Also I've forgotten which states allow transfers without paying state taxes. Any help would be appreciated

[peteryan]

I'd like to buy a buick enclave from US; dose anybody have similar expirence?
thanks:razz:

[SALTYDOG]

Hello all
I am in process of importing a 2010 Lexus RX350 from New York state into Quebec. Has anybody done so recently? I know the car is built in Canada but does it have daylight Running Light in US? Any help in regard to the process would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you in Advance
LT

[Sergio]

Congrats on MDX!!!! I love my MDX and let my wife drives it as her main car. I'm not letting this MDX go :)

I have been a bimmer guy since 1992, and kinda hooked.

I think I can get around that 3500$ fee since I don't want any warranty from BMW Canada. I will get recall letter from USA dealer, and get RIV to verify DRL and hopefully all passes.

Sergio


Hey Sergio,

Not happy with your MDX? :-) Modifications will also be required to meet canadian regulations and the changes must be made at the BMW dealership. I believe I've read that it's another $3500+ fee for the modifications alone.

BTW I just recently imported my '08 MDX. Drove it all the way from Chicago back to Toronto and it was a blast to drive!

[scouzi]

I imported a Toyota FJ back in Nov of 07 and got a great deal. With the dollar on the rise, I'm looking at an 06 Porsche 911.

Anyone have advise as to where to exchange the $50K into US $ for this? Going through the bank costs 2%. I remember someone mentioning XE.com but I'm not sure how that would work as they seem to deal with currency trading, not so much currency exchange.

cheers

Mike

I used xe.com back in 2007.

[scouzi]

I am looking at importing another car form the US but I am considering skipping the stop at the US CUSTOMS to get the title stamped.

There was a bit of discussion about this over 1 yr ago. I do not plan to ever bring the carback into the US after I import it. I want to know if anyone has gone to Canadian Customs without the US Customs stamp on the Title and had any problems.

Thanks, all

From what I understand, Canada doesn`t care about the export process but I`m sure they would advise you against that.

The US stamp is not part of the Canadian process. (At least it wasn`t back in 2007)

[scouzi]

Guys,

Has anyone found any Canadian friendly BMW USA dealers in the north east? I'm considerring getting a new BMW if it makes sense.

My other option is to get a 2-3 year old BMW, so a Canadian Friendly used car dealer with lots of BMW's in stock in North East, is my plan B.

Let me know your BMW purchase expience in the USA.

I'm shopping for a
Z4 3.0 manual 2006, my target is 18,000$ USD
330i manual 2006, my target is 21,000$ USD


Ciao...
Sergio

I'm not a big fan of BMW Canada and their tactics but...

Used BMWs are actually quite competitive in Canada. If you calculate all the costs involved you won`t save as much as you think. BMW Canada has low rates on used cars (ie 0.9% on some models + a very good CPO warranty)

Of course, this changes if the CDN dollar climbs to $1.10.

I was looking at a used M3 and I was saving only about $1500-$2000 by importing but it was difficult to see in person what you wanted to buy.

However, the advantage of importing a used BMW is the selection. There are very few low mileage used BMWs in Canada.

US CPO warranty is NOT transferable to Canada unfortunately. Neither are the pre-paid maintenance plans.

[michelb]

From what I understand, Canada doesn`t care about the export process but I`m sure they would advise you against that.

The US stamp is not part of the Canadian process. (At least it wasn`t back in 2007)

I wouldn't count on that. Some border guards don't care others do. It just depends on who you get.

It's a bit of a hassle but it's nothing compared to the hassle could get if you don't do it (Technically, if you don't export it, the US title is still valid and there's nothing that stops the original owner from getting a new title and reporting the vehicle as stolen (as far as the US is concerned, if the vehicle isn't exported, that last title is the only one that's valid).

[maxillo]

For foreign exchange in BC, try:

1. Custom House Currency Exchange

2. Citizen's Bank

Both should not keep a spread of one third of a penny. Not sure if you can transact real money, but if you have a foreign exchange trading account with Questrade or similar, you can get rates as low as 4 pips (ie. spot rate is 1.0325, you pay 1.0329 for a USD.)


What about something similar in the GTA? I have never traded currencies through TDFX or XE.com or similar, and I'm not sure if it is actually possible to withdraw real $US out of those accounts.

Bank exchange rates are ridiculous by comparison to currency exchange markets.

[johnsa]

I wouldn't count on that. Some border guards don't care others do. It just depends on who you get.

It's a bit of a hassle but it's nothing compared to the hassle could get if you don't do it (Technically, if you don't export it, the US title is still valid and there's nothing that stops the original owner from getting a new title and reporting the vehicle as stolen (as far as the US is concerned, if the vehicle isn't exported, that last title is the only one that's valid).

While I see your point I really don't care. I plan to buy only from a dealer with title in the dealers name..then car will never returmn to the US, period. I want the flexibility of buying wherever and crossing wherever I want to avoid the 72hr advance title submission to US Customs.

[ssainani]

While I see your point I really don't care. I plan to buy only from a dealer with title in the dealers name..then car will never returmn to the US, period. I want the flexibility of buying wherever and crossing wherever I want to avoid the 72hr advance title submission to US Customs.

i wouldn't do it myself --
it's not a huge hassle and the ramifications of getting 'caught' are terrible
just suck it up and wait out the 72h as part of the buying process

[marcopolo85]

I sent out about 7 emails last night about possibly purchasing a 2010 mazdaspeed 3. So far 3 have responded we are unable to sell to canadians. 1 has responded with a price of $300 above the msrp + delivery, i just replied to confirm he/she is able to sell the vehicle to a canadian.

From what ive seen/read buying a subaru or Audi is the easiest way to go.

edit: Just received another email from Cascade mazda in cleveland Ohio and they are able to sell to a canadian and he even offered $1000 below msrp+delivery "out the door" cash price.

[nexposure]

It still seems like it would not be much of a savings for all the hassle... Let's see 13% in taxes, plus an exchange rate of 8% (according to yesterday's close at the BoC) plus a potential state tax...

So a 30% lower cost for a car... I typically see cars in Can for eg $60k CAD you would pay about $40k USD. So that is about $43.2k CAD add PST and GST taxes (you eventually pay both) you're at $48,816 CAD without cost of shipping, cost of time, not to mention the cost of cash (today you could line yourself up with about 0% financing)...

Not sure where the deal is... Seems to me like a pretty tight margin...IMO

You are ignoring something critical -- you pay PST and GST on vehicles in Canada too. The only difference is you pay much more in PST and GST if you buy the outrageously priced vehicles in Canada. In your example, for the American car you would pay $5,499 in PST/GST, while in Canada, you would pay $7,800 in PST/GST. That's an extra $2,201 in Canadian taxes. I could ship a small fleet of vehicle to Canada for that price. Or I could go across the border, pick up the car myself, pocket the $2,201 and the $16,800 difference in price (your example). That's a savings if $19,000 or about $32,000 in pre-tax income.

[nexposure]

I doubt that it`s worth the hassle for a Mazda5. The price gaps are for more expensive cars - especially luxury.

While price gaps are of course more for luxury cars, the gaps can still be considerable for modest cars and well worth buying in the U.S -- saving $3,000 to $6,000 is considerable for most of us. Rather than assume anything, buyers should check the price difference of what customers are paying (not msrp) and decide id its worth it.

[BigCheap]

Can anyone please recommend a Nissan or Acura dealer somewhere on the East Coast? I can go far down south if needed.

Looking to buy used. Ideally either a 350z or RSX. I'd greatly appreciate if anyone had any experience with either model and wouldn't mind sharing.

Thanks.

I bought an MDX from the Acura dealer in Burlington (Lewis). They have been amazing to me. They gave me $3000 off the MSRP for a new 2007. I had some warranty issues and I went down there for a weekend. They gave me a loaner for 2 days and move heaven and earth to fix everything in 2 days. All under warranty.

[iceage]

this one gets too long with old info and updated info. Nobody can go through a thousand pages?

[jrvic]

I sent out about 7 emails last night about possibly purchasing a 2010 mazdaspeed 3. So far 3 have responded we are unable to sell to canadians. 1 has responded with a price of $300 above the msrp + delivery, i just replied to confirm he/she is able to sell the vehicle to a canadian.

From what ive seen/read buying a subaru or Audi is the easiest way to go.

edit: Just received another email from Cascade mazda in cleveland Ohio and they are able to sell to a canadian and he even offered $1000 below msrp+delivery "out the door" cash price.

I went to Audi.com looking for the price of an S4, but keep getting redirected to Audi.ca. What's up with that?

[calvin1]

It seems Lexus USA has just changed its policy and will no longer allow any US incorporated LLC to buy car to discourage Canadians to buy in US. Can someone confirm this?

[michelb]

It seems Lexus USA has just changed its policy and will no longer allow any US incorporated LLC to buy car to discourage Canadians to buy in US. Can someone confirm this?

Never heard of this and it seems very unlikely. First, there are not that many Canadians using US LLCs to buy US cars but more importantly, they sell a lot of cars to legit US LLCs - it would be like saying "We've heard there was a guy called Mike that bought and imported a car into Canada so now we don't sell to anyone named Mike'

[Monsieurmaggot]

I got about three dozen emails from RFDers who are currently going through the process of importing US cars.

From the notes I'm seeing, Subaru and Toyota are still coming across.

Seems the Toyota van is a big seller and comes across in droves. Yes there are US Toyota dealers selling to Canadians. Just ask the Toyota dealer in Kanata who buys the Siennas by the truckload.

I've been asked repeatedly what exchange company do I use to import (I've only imported one Subaru)

I use XEtrade and their rate really depends on how much you want to commit to using (remember there's no charge for the higher limit). The spread is rediculously low especially when you look at what the banks charge you. You can use the exchange service for all you cross-border shopping. Remember Christmas is coming up and clothing is always a steal in the US.

Anyway getting back to XEtrade, to do it, you set up an account with XEtrade and also set up a US currency account at your favourite bank (sadly when I set it up a few years back it didn't work with my ING accounts but that might have since changed). I ended up dealing with CIBC. The CIBC wanted to do the exchange but also wanted a 2.75% spread for the privilege. Ass@#&*s!

When I log into XEtrade, I transfer from my Canadian to US account. It's that simple. Electronic transfers to third-parties (like you car dealers' account) are free.

There are other forex companies out there and your mileage will vary.

A colleague of mine just transferred $10,000 Canadian during the overnight trading a couple of days ago and got close to a .98 exchange rate. Today the dollar is hovering around .96. Saved himself about $200 on a $10k transfer.

Technically if the fluctuations were great and you had the cash and stomach for it, you can use the account to bounce between currencies and ride the exchange differences.

Also, some folks have been asking me if Canadian banks still offer US currency loans. It's been over a year since I heard anyone offering that. Some folks jest that the president of the Canadian Bankers Association was seen having lunch with the Canadian Automobile Dealers' representatives.

Be interesting to see if that was true.

If anyone knows if any Canadian institution still lends money for a US car purchase, please post it here.

[03terminator]

I sent out about 7 emails last night about possibly purchasing a 2010 mazdaspeed 3. So far 3 have responded we are unable to sell to canadians. 1 has responded with a price of $300 above the msrp + delivery, i just replied to confirm he/she is able to sell the vehicle to a canadian.

From what ive seen/read buying a subaru or Audi is the easiest way to go.

edit: Just received another email from Cascade mazda in cleveland Ohio and they are able to sell to a canadian and he even offered $1000 below msrp+delivery "out the door" cash price.

Wooooohhhhh,

The 2010 Mazdaspeed3 US version is a base Sport model while Canada gets essentially only the GT version. So, you are comparing apples to oranges. Also, Mazda tends to discount at model year more in Canada than US.

[03terminator]

I went to Audi.com looking for the price of an S4, but keep getting redirected to Audi.ca. What's up with that?


http://www.audiusa.com/us/brand/en.html

[scouzi]

http://www.audiusa.com/us/brand/en.html

Now - just try reaching oakley.com US site from Canada.

You can`t without a proxy.

[jrvic]

http://www.audiusa.com/us/brand/en.html

Cool, it does work.
thanks. :o

[JWL]

Is the carburner.com site dead?

[03terminator]

Now - just try reaching oakley.com US site from Canada.

You can`t without a proxy.

Tip for sites that block Canadian IPs

Use a proxy or cached pages

If you "copy page location" when over a link then google that link, you can get the cache of that page. It is sightly cumbersome but you may get info that you want, usually price.

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:2WLZkDsAVIAJ:www.oakley.com/view_all/mens_sunglasses+http://www.oakley.com/view_all/mens_sunglasses&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl


A reminder, I have talked to people and seen posts here by purchasers that are eager to buy US vehicles with our higher dollar. You must make sure you compare the exact vehicle with options as the Canadian and US vehicles often do not compare by model designation. The manufacturers will mix the options and submodel designations. Many vehicles are very close in price and not worth importing. Also, there is a trend for Canadian vehicles to get heavily discounted at year end for cash, making them price competitive with the US. In the old days, everything was cheaper, now you really need to know your market, vehicle options and models.

There are many new vehicles that still have a favourable price disparity, however, I see that near new, clean US vehicles are the best bang for the buck.

You have to be more careful in your number crunching and vehicle comparisons now.

[scouzi]

Tip for sites that block Canadian IPs

Use a proxy or cached pages

If you "copy page location" when over a link then google that link, you can get the cache of that page. It is sightly cumbersome but you may get info that you want, usually price.

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:2WLZkDsAVIAJ:www.oakley.com/view_all/mens_sunglasses+http://www.oakley.com/view_all/mens_sunglasses&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl


A reminder, I have talked to people and seen posts here by purchasers that are eager to buy US vehicles with our higher dollar. You must make sure you compare the exact vehicle with options as the Canadian and US vehicles often do not compare by model designation. The manufacturers will mix the options and submodel designations. Many vehicles are very close in price and not worth importing. Also, there is a trend for Canadian vehicles to get heavily discounted at year end for cash, making them price competitive with the US. In the old days, everything was cheaper, now you really need to know your market, vehicle options and models.

There are many new vehicles that still have a favourable price disparity, however, I see that near new, clean US vehicles are the best bang for the buck.

You have to be more careful in your number crunching and vehicle comparisons now.


I agree for the normal cars. But when it comes to the 35k+ cars , they are cheaper in the US. Some brands seem to have closed the gap a little like Lexus and Infiniti.

But once you start talking about 50k+ cars, the gap is still pretty wide.

[scouzi]

Tip for sites that block Canadian IPs

Use a proxy or cached pages

If you "copy page location" when over a link then google that link, you can get the cache of that page. It is sightly cumbersome but you may get info that you want, usually price.

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:2WLZkDsAVIAJ:www.oakley.com/view_all/mens_sunglasses+http://www.oakley.com/view_all/mens_sunglasses&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl


A reminder, I have talked to people and seen posts here by purchasers that are eager to buy US vehicles with our higher dollar. You must make sure you compare the exact vehicle with options as the Canadian and US vehicles often do not compare by model designation. The manufacturers will mix the options and submodel designations. Many vehicles are very close in price and not worth importing. Also, there is a trend for Canadian vehicles to get heavily discounted at year end for cash, making them price competitive with the US. In the old days, everything was cheaper, now you really need to know your market, vehicle options and models.

There are many new vehicles that still have a favourable price disparity, however, I see that near new, clean US vehicles are the best bang for the buck.

You have to be more careful in your number crunching and vehicle comparisons now.

Thanks!

Half Jacket XLJ

$105 in the US vs $150 CDN in Canada.

http://oakley.ca/pd/2081/10453?sliver

http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:lCXTwRS6c20J:www.oakley.com/pd/2081/17374+http://www.oakley.com/pd/2081/17374&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

No wonder they are blocking "Canadians"

Sorry for the OT but these tactics anger me.

[marcopoloca]

I was wondering if someone can start a new post with a summary of cars of people who have purchased in the U.S. with say three (3) different category: No issue, Minor issue, and Major issue; with actual price paid compare to a similar equipped car in Canada, all before taxes so we can see what the savings are.

The issues can ranged from admissibility, warranty honored, modification required, etc..

I wouldn't mind organizing one if people can send me their feedback.

Please pm me with with any suggestions.

[Free Willy]

I was wondering if someone can start a new post with a summary of cars of people who have purchased in the U.S. with say three (3) different category: No issue, Minor issue, and Major issue; with actual price paid compare to a similar equipped car in Canada, all before taxes so we can see what the savings are.

The issues can ranged from admissibility, warranty honored, modification required, etc..

I wouldn't mind organizing one if people can send me their feedback.

Please pm me with with any suggestions.
This would actually be really helpful. The size of this thread is rather daunting, and I don't even know where to start. We're looking to buy a new car soon, and we're not sure if we should buy here or in the States.

[Whiterock2]

Does anyone know of or can recommmend a Subaru dealer in Washington State (or Oregon) that sells to Canadians? Also, has anyone imported Subaru's lately? I'm interested in the 2010 Outback. The top end model is quite a bit cheaper in the US.

Cheers,
Mike

[miss_swan]

Thanks!

Half Jacket XLJ

$105 in the US vs $150 CDN in Canada.

http://oakley.ca/pd/2081/10453?sliver

http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:lCXTwRS6c20J:www.oakley.com/pd/2081/17374+http://www.oakley.com/pd/2081/17374&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

No wonder they are blocking "Canadians"

Sorry for the OT but these tactics anger me.

Yeah, that's pretty sad the price difference.

[HP_John]

I agree for the normal cars. But when it comes to the 35k+ cars , they are cheaper in the US. Some brands seem to have closed the gap a little like Lexus and Infiniti.

But once you start talking about 50k+ cars, the gap is still pretty wide.

In the case of Infiniti, when I priced out everything, the G37 rwd coupe was actually cheaper in Canada than what it would cost to import, after factoring everything (exchange, duty, Cdn cash deal credit). 20 months ago, when I imported my G37 rwd coupe, at that time there was a very big difference, so I'm glad Infiniti Canada has been proactive about making it more attractive to just buy here. However, in the case of the IS250 awd sedan, I still found a very big difference, accounting for fully optioned.

[scouzi]

In the case of Infiniti, when I priced out everything, the G37 rwd coupe was actually cheaper in Canada than what it would cost to import, after factoring everything (exchange, duty, Cdn cash deal credit). 20 months ago, when I imported my G37 rwd coupe, at that time there was a very big difference, so I'm glad Infiniti Canada has been proactive about making it more attractive to just buy here. However, in the case of the IS250 awd sedan, I still found a very big difference, accounting for fully optioned.

I'm looking for a used G35 coupe (2006) and I found that some just as good deals can be found in used Canadian ones vs importing one. I still ended up importing one because it had low mileage and it is a 6MT which are hard to find anywhere.

I imported an brand new Subaru Tribeca back in 2007 and saved around $20k. The Canadian dealership has been really great in servicing it.

[rgc97]

Does anyone know of or can recommmend a Subaru dealer in Washington State (or Oregon) that sells to Canadians? Also, has anyone imported Subaru's lately? I'm interested in the 2010 Outback. The top end model is quite a bit cheaper in the US.

Check out http://www.cars101.com/ & Joe Spitz.

[shopper-X]

Check out http://www.cars101.com/ & Joe Spitz.

More specific information on importing to Canada can be found on this page:
http://www.cars101.com/canada.html

[Anonymouse]

I'm looking for a used G35 coupe (2006) and I found that some just as good deals can be found in used Canadian ones vs importing one. I still ended up importing one because it had low mileage and it is a 6MT which are hard to find anywhere.

What mods were required to your G, and how much did they cost you? DRL? Cluster swap? Did Infiniti cooperate with the recall letter?

[03terminator]

I am looking at used 2007-8 Jaguar XKR's. 45-50k US and 70-80k in Canada.

The used prices have been hammered in the US. Would make a great DD GT car.

[scouzi]

What mods were required to your G, and how much did they cost you? DRL? Cluster swap? Did Infiniti cooperate with the recall letter?

It`s a used car dealer that is bringing it in. He bought it a an auction. I have a deposit on the car and If I like it I take it - if not I get refunded. I have not even seen the car yet. The dealer takes care of everything including SAAQ inspection.

It`s a 2006 with 20k miles on it.

Infiniti is cooperative and the warranty is transferable. Only roadside assistance is not. As for the mods, I don`t know as the dealer is responsible for them.

If you call Infiniti customer service with the VIN, they will tell you which dealer sold the car. You can then call the dealer and ask them for service records. However, it will be verbal only - they will not send them to you. I wanted to make sure there was no odometer roll-back. For one car, the guy at the other end said "I know this car - very well taken care of"

From what I hear, Infiniti is very cooperative with the recall letter.

I also ran autocheck.com on it. You can get 3 months unlimited access for $30 US if you do it through www.carbuyingtips.com.

follow this link.
http://www.carbuyingtips.com/beatem/2067.html

[fireguy9]

I know few friends who have crossed with new vehicles at Peace bridge in NY and did not bother faxing the title ahead of time to U.S customs and had no problems. This is the only bridge I have heard there is no issue with it. Anyone lately do this??
I am in process of buying a motorcycle to bring home and just curious. I have imported before but via Detroit and had to do the 3 day title thing their.

[03terminator]

I know few friends who have crossed with new vehicles at Peace bridge in NY and did not bother faxing the title ahead of time to U.S customs and had no problems. This is the only bridge I have heard there is no issue with it. Anyone lately do this??
I am in process of buying a motorcycle to bring home and just curious. I have imported before but via Detroit and had to do the 3 day title thing their.

The Canadian side doesn't care. The problem is that if you ever take the vehicle back over the border into the US maybe on a trip, you have committed an offense and may be charged or have the vehicle seized if they run the VIN. Not worth the risk. IMHO

[fireguy9]

The Canadian side doesn't care. The problem is that if you ever take the vehicle back over the border into the US maybe on a trip, you have committed an offense and may be charged or have the vehicle seized if they run the VIN. Not worth the risk. IMHO

Not likely in my opinion,,,, friends that have done this have driven to U.S with those cars now under Canadian ownership and title without incident for yrs now.

If it is a issue it should be one way and nothing else accepted.

[flaming homer]

Not likely in my opinion,,,, friends that have done this have driven to U.S with those cars now under Canadian ownership and title without incident for yrs now.

If it is a issue it should be one way and nothing else accepted.Thanks for your opinion. Next time my car gets confiscated when driving in the US I'll just tell the police that while I ignored US export laws for the car they caught me in, "fireguy9" on the Internet told me I can get away with it because his friends done so in the past.

[03terminator]

Not likely in my opinion,,,, friends that have done this have driven to U.S with those cars now under Canadian ownership and title without incident for yrs now.

If it is a issue it should be one way and nothing else accepted.

You are correct..not likely, but if they run your VIN there will be a s#$% storm rain down on you. Who needs that risk, the 3 day wait US export process is easy.

The US is increasing the border guards on the Canadian border dramatically and they have a habit of changing the way things are done, like VIN checks.

[fireguy9]

Thanks for your opinion. Next time my car gets confiscated when driving in the US I'll just tell the police that while I ignored US export laws for the car they caught me in, "fireguy9" on the Internet told me I can get away with it because his friends done so in the past.

would i do it? not sure yet,,,,,,,,, I have imported before,,,, had some issues with the u.s customs on my import but otherwise went well. I know many that have crossed at peace bridge without stopping at u.s and thats it. Maybe Canada should be turning people back without the stamp!!!

will decide when time comes to import my vehicle

[flaming homer]

would i do it? not sure yet,,,,,,,,, I have imported before,,,, had some issues with the u.s customs on my import but otherwise went well. I know many that have crossed at peace bridge without stopping at u.s and thats it. Maybe Canada should be turning people back without the stamp!!!

will decide when time comes to import my vehicleIf you have imported you would have known that Canada Customs doesn't care if you have an US Customs stamp or not. It is an AMERICAN export requirement, not a Canadian one. Canada Customs is not in the business of enforcing US laws - unless one day some US Federal department discovered that this car is "missing" from the US w/o being properly exported, declares it an illegal vehicle, and asks all friendly governments to track it down and confiscate it. Could it happen ? Probably not, but this is a car, not a $100 toy.

And yes, 03terminator is definitely right, pray that if you get pulled over in the US the cop doesn't run your VIN and have it show up on some obscure "wanted" list. As you know insurance companies hates to pay out, you can bet that if you have a substantial claim against them they would use every trick not to pay, and an "illegal" car is the prefect way out for them - even for a claim that takes place in Canada.

[GregGH]

Is the carburner.com site dead?

even if things are DEAD --= they are NOT forgotten .....

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.carburner.com

hope this link works - this home site copies EVERYTHING for history ... http://www.archive.org/web/web.php

Long Live Carburner !

Greg
ps - I got two cars the last time the dollar was hi -- have fun guys

[johnsa]

Thanks for your opinion. Next time my car gets confiscated when driving in the US I'll just tell the police that while I ignored US export laws for the car they caught me in, "fireguy9" on the Internet told me I can get away with it because his friends done so in the past.

:cheesygriLMAO..I really don't care in my case as I would never drive the vehicle back to the US..

[matkokubko]

Could anyone pm me the list of US honda dealers that are willling to sell to canadians?

Thank you

I'm after a used Honda Fit.

[dracore]

Could anyone pm me the list of US honda dealers that are willling to sell to canadians?

Thank you

I'm after a used Honda Fit.

If you're looking for used, I don't think you will have any problems buying from any US honda dealers

[djredhat]

:cheesygriLMAO..I really don't care in my case as I would never drive the vehicle back to the US..

Yeah, you'll eventually sell it to someone who will go back. Could only imagine their face when they get pulled over :D:D:D

[HP_John]

Could anyone pm me the list of US honda dealers that are willling to sell to canadians?

Thank you

I'm after a used Honda Fit.

Just keep in mind Honda doesn't honour the warranty on US imported cars. There are many other brands that do honour the warranty, maybe consider an alternative

[ah802]

Would $8k-10k get me anything worth the hassle of importing from the US?

[rgc97]

Would $8k-10k get me anything worth the hassle of importing from the US?

Not likely, but possibly. Obviously would be used, so you have the issue of checking out a used vehicle -- you can pay to have someone do this, or take a holiday to the US.

How much do you value your time? How much would it cost you to spend time in the US?

As others have stated before, you need to put the time/effort into doing your homework. Unfortunately, this can't be avoided. For vehicles your are considering, compare US & Cdn prices, and then decide whether or not it's a viable thing to do.

The rule of thumb is that there are better savings as the price of the vehicle increases. By this rule, you'd want to focus on $35K+ vehicles, and wouldn't consider it for $10K vehicles.

Since Cdn dealers bring over US cars when the exchange rate is good, this keeps the used car markets in the two countries in closer equilibrium. So that helps you if/when you buy used in Canada.

Best wishes with your search.

[jrvic]

If you have imported you would have known that Canada Customs doesn't care if you have an US Customs stamp or not. It is an AMERICAN export requirement, not a Canadian one. Canada Customs is not in the business of enforcing US laws - unless one day some US Federal department discovered that this car is "missing" from the US w/o being properly exported, declares it an illegal vehicle, and asks all friendly governments to track it down and confiscate it. Could it happen ? Probably not, but this is a car, not a $100 toy.

And yes, 03terminator is definitely right, pray that if you get pulled over in the US the cop doesn't run your VIN and have it show up on some obscure "wanted" list. As you know insurance companies hates to pay out, you can bet that if you have a substantial claim against them they would use every trick not to pay, and an "illegal" car is the prefect way out for them - even for a claim that takes place in Canada.

I think you have better odds in winning the 649 jackpot...

[Enfield350]

Hi folks,
I am looking to buy new or slightly used honda odyssey.I am from ottawa.I would really appreciate any help if fellow members have bought any honda product from US.I know the warranties are not covered.I am willing to buy warranty from ensureall.If anyone has any insights that would be greatly appreciated.I have relatives in new jersey they are willing to help if needed.
Thanks
AB

[Whiterock2]

Check out http://www.cars101.com/ & Joe Spitz.

I called Joe Spitz and he is no longer in new car sales and is no longer very positive on the subject of importing Subarus to Canada.

I see there are at least two dealerships in the Eastern US (NY & NH) that sell new Subarus to Canadians. Just need to find one out west that does.

Mike

[BargainBoy]

Hi folks,
I am looking to buy new or slightly used honda odyssey.I am from ottawa.I would really appreciate any help if fellow members have bought any honda product from US.I know the warranties are not covered.I am willing to buy warranty from ensureall.If anyone has any insights that would be greatly appreciated.I have relatives in new jersey they are willing to help if needed.
Thanks
AB

I bought a US 2007 Odyssey EXL with 8k miles on it two years ago from a dealer in Illinois. It was their service loaner. Got it for 26K. I did not buy the Ensurall warranty. I did have an electrical module blow in the rear of the van two months after I bought it. Took it stateside to a dealer (2 hour drive from my place) who fixed everything under warranty. I also saved at least $10K on the price of the van which buys a lot of repairs even if I was lazy and took it to a local Canadian Honda dealer.

I also installed a DRL kit which was needed on the 2007. Get a used 2008 or newer since DRL is now a standard option on all US Odysseys (I think)

[BargainBoy]

Has anyone imported a 2010 Subaru ? The Transport Canada admissability list still has notes for the 2010 models indicating potential issues with immobilizer etc. I know the Subaru of Keen website indicates that the 2010s are completely Canadian compliant but I am looking for some real world comfirmation.

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/safevehicles/importation/usa/vafus/list2/SUBARU.htm

On the verge of ordering a 2010 WRX Premium from Vanbortel. At a .95 exchange rate the savings are about $6700. US model doesn't have leather seats or the USB Media Hub but I can live without those...

[rgc97]

I've had a WRX Prem on order for more than a month now from VB. Hope to get it within another month.

The immobilizer issue was resolved a couple of years ago, and then bumpers (you can search this thread; Cars without Borders worked on getting bumpers approved/exempted). The RIV list sometimes takes awhile for correct updating. People have been bringing Subies across since this thread started (see the 1st post) and continue to.

Good savings on options, so load up your WRX with anything you are interested in. My major addition is a short throw shifter.

Best wishes on your purchase.


Has anyone imported a 2010 Subaru ? The Transport Canada admissability list still has notes for the 2010 models indicating potential issues with immobilizer etc. I know the Subaru of Keen website indicates that the 2010s are completely Canadian compliant but I am looking for some real world comfirmation.

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/safevehicles/importation/usa/vafus/list2/SUBARU.htm

On the verge of ordering a 2010 WRX Premium from Vanbortel. At a .95 exchange rate the savings are about $6700. US model doesn't have leather seats or the USB Media Hub but I can live without those...

[killbillvol1]

Would $8k-10k get me anything worth the hassle of importing from the US?

If you haggle on used car prices what you'd get for 8-10K will be significantly better than what you'd get here IMO.

Just do plenty of pricing research before you buy, and try to buy in a state that will let you opt out of state tax with a form and give you title if you're a non-resident.

Good luck!

[TDbank]

Which car save the most money import from US.

[james-007]

Which car save the most money import from US.

Lamborghini

[TDbank]

IS there any problem import a BMW from US?

[freewheel]

IS there any problem import a BMW from US?

Yes

[Monsieurmaggot]

IS there any problem import a BMW from US?

It's only been covered in pretty well every page on this thread.

BMW likes to consider itself a prestige line in Canada. As such, they work hard to keep their demographics. They believe that you "buy a car" but "want a BMW". With that philosophy they believe the Canadian consumer wouldn't mind paying to have BMW Canada assist them with their new US car purchase. Wearing his white lab jacket, Gunther will gradly print you out a recall letter and change the firmware setting in the ECM to active your DRLs for a nominal fee. They will also strongly suggest that the dashboard be replaced (so you don't end up mis-reading the speedometer and get a needless speeding ticket). Lucky you, you are buying a BMW - a statement NOT a vehicle remember?

BMW will also honour the US warranty.

Question is, if you're buying a BMW, you don't need to worry about what BMW Canada will want to charge you to do what some other manufacturer brands don't do. Remember you want a BMW..... Live the dream

*naturally this was a completely sarcastic comment

[killbillvol1]

It's only been covered in pretty well every page on this thread.

BMW likes to consider itself a prestige line in Canada. As such, they work hard to keep their demographics. They believe that you "buy a car" but "want a BMW". With that philosophy they believe the Canadian consumer wouldn't mind paying to have BMW Canada assist them with their new US car purchase. Wearing his white labe jacket, Gunther will gradly print you out a recall letter and change the firmware setting in the ECM to active your DRLs for a nominal fee. They will also strongly suggest that the dashboard be replaced (so you don't end up mis-reading the speedometer and get a needless speeding ticket). Lucky you, you are buying a BMW - a statement NOT a vehicle remember?

BMW will also honour the US warranty.

Question is, if you're buying a BMW, you don't need to worry about what BMW Canada will want to charge you to do what some other manufacturer brands don't do. Remember you want a BMW..... Live the dream

*naturally this was a completely sarcastic comment

+1 and LOL MM

IIRC the nominal fee is like $5K

[BobLoblaw]

I bought a used 2009 Nissan Frontier for $22500 USD, they wanted 42G for the same truck here in Ontario. It was titled for 7 months in the US so the warranty is transferable, although I haven't tried to get any warranty work done yet as none is needed. Cost me $200. to get someone to do the paperwork, transport was $750. from Green Bay Wis., and it needed about $400 to hook up daytimes etc.

[Anonymouse]

If you want to do something helpful today, write a letter to your MP and ask them why they are empowering BMW to hold individual importers hostage with arbitrary and capricious mandatory modifications. The government should not be collaborating with foreign car companies in what are clearly protectionist tactics.

The situation should be that if a car passes the RIV inspection, it should be admissable, and the car companies should be forced to inform importers of any outstanding recalls, for free. It would be up to the importer as to whether he wants to take the vehicle in for the recalls, as is the case for non-imported vehicles.

[p110232]

I found this in E90post. User Smartys was able to successfully import a BMW without swapping clusters:

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6077444&postcount=14


--You do NOT have to change the cluster....I didn't despite BMW Canada telling me I had to..

-- You do NOT require the "letter of admissibility" which is $500....they scrapped that last summer as well...


Edit: Found the link to his original post

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=160460

[Anonymouse]

Yes, but note the age of that post. There is now ominous language in the Transport Canada admissibility document that indicates that the Bad Old Days are back and BMW's blessing to import is required. It's the same for Mercedes.

[siwen66]

Hi,
Is there anyone want to share his story to buy a subaru tribeca from US? want to find out a dealer close to Toronto.

Thank you

[Monsieurmaggot]

If you want to do something helpful today, write a letter to your MP and ask them why they are empowering BMW to hold individual importers hostage with arbitrary and capricious mandatory modifications. The government should not be collaborating with foreign car companies in what are clearly protectionist tactics.

The situation should be that if a car passes the RIV inspection, it should be admissable, and the car companies should be forced to inform importers of any outstanding recalls, for free. It would be up to the importer as to whether he wants to take the vehicle in for the recalls, as is the case for non-imported vehicles.

I actualy wrote to my MP about this twice in as many years. It happens to be Jim Flaherty (the Finance Minister).

I was thanked for my first letter and told that it's thanks to NAFTA that I was able to buy my car in the US in the first place.

His canned letter clearly indicated that as a consumer, I am free to purchase a vehicle wherever I wish. Canada is not protectionist (almost a true statement). What he failed to mention is that BMW and GM are also based in his riding as well!!!!!!! He didn't mention anything about my questions about the countless roadblocks some vendors put in my path.

I wrote another letter months later which the reply skirted the issue entirely. "The federal government does not dictate buying/selling practices to Canadian car vendors" and certainly won't take any sides...

I would say I was surprised that my letters were even replied.

Having the government act won't happen.

For the record, I also filed a formal complaint with both Consumer and Corporate Affairs, added my name to the class action ($2 Billion) lawsuit wrote letters, started this thread, worked on Carburner.com and even appeared on national tV, radio and the local press. In almost all cases, nothing has really changed.

It's like petroleum prices. In the controlled local markets (most major centres) the price difference between regular to premium fuel could be up to 20 cents difference. In smaller uncontrolled centres, the price spread could be as low at 8 cents a litre. Outside of Toronto, you can easily get gasoline for 8 - 10 cents a litre cheaper AND get premium fuel for much less. MPs tell us there's no price fixing yet a concerted price change happens like clockwork in certain markets. (Check out MP Dan McTeagues' gas price website: http://www.mcteague.ca/WebPages/gas_price_today.htm). We all complain but still we pay....

[frank358fr]

I bought my second car in the US 1 month ago ( Acura TL 2006 Fully Equipped) :cheesygri.

[ryunix]

I was wondering something

If I wanted to buy a US vehicle--how do I acquire financing?

Thanks in advance :D

[JWL]

Hi,
Is there anyone want to share his story to buy a subaru tribeca from US? want to find out a dealer close to Toronto.

Thank you

Try searching this thread for "Tribeca"

[michelb]

I was wondering something

If I wanted to buy a US vehicle--how do I acquire financing?

Thanks in advance :D

Read page 1

[JPTN]

Full disclosure: I work for an auto importer.
Import Trader: http://www.importtrader.com/

Answers to various questions:

BMW recall letters are FREE from BMW USA. The "admissibility" letter is no longer required.
http://www.maxbimmer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115993&page=2
You don't have to change the cluster if it has metric. Daytime running lights can be activated at an independent BMW shop for ~$50. The Registrar of Imported Vehicles (http://www.riv.ca/) does not require BMW to do the work. The inspection is done by Canadian Tire.

Tribecas aren't out until November, but we have been importing Legacy and Outback.

Unfortunately, Honda no longer sells NEW vehicles to Canadians. The warranty is also void once it's registered in Canada. Boo Honda. :-(
Also, the Fit is too inexpensive a car for the spread between US & CAD to be covered after the taxes/duty/fees/etc.

Canadians are NOT eligible for U.S. incentives and (usually) do not qualify for U.S. financing [you usually need a SIN/U.S. bank account].

[shopper-X]

Full disclosure: I work for an auto importer.
Import Trader: http://www.importtrader.com/

BMW recall letters are FREE from BMW USA.
http://www.maxbimmer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115993&page=2
You don't have to change the cluster if it has metric. Daytime running lights can be activated at an independent BMW shop for ~$50. The Registrar of Imported Vehicles (http://www.riv.ca/) does not require BMW to do the work. The inspection is done by Canadian Tire.

Tribecas aren't out until November, but we have been importing Legacy and Outback.

Canadians are NOT eligible for U.S. incentives and (usually) do not qualify for U.S. financing [you usually need a SIN/U.S. bank account].

Thank you for the informational post. http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

[Dmitrya]

I bought my second car in the US 1 month ago ( Acura TL 2006 Fully Equipped) :cheesygri.

Hey Frank358fr,
Could you give some numbers about your saving?
Thanks

[Anonymouse]

BMW recall letters are FREE from BMW USA. The "admissibility" letter is no longer required.
http://www.maxbimmer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115993&page=2
You don't have to change the cluster if it has metric. Daytime running lights can be activated at an independent BMW shop for ~$50. The Registrar of Imported Vehicles (http://www.riv.ca/) does not require BMW to do the work. The inspection is done by Canadian Tire.


Thanks, that's very helpful! May I ask if you know this stuff because your company has imported a BMW recently, or are you relying on the forum posts you link to?

I have read in various places that American BMW dealers get a big red warning on their service screen that they are forbidden to print out recall information. Is this no longer the case?

[Sloan55]

Thanks, that's very helpful! May I ask if you know this stuff because your company has imported a BMW recently, or are you relying on the forum posts you link to?

I have read in various places that American BMW dealers get a big red warning on their service screen that they are forbidden to print out recall information. Is this no longer the case?

Also, in speaking to a number of BMW dealers, the company line is that if the vehicle is not seen and modified at a CDN dealership during the import process, when that customer takes his/her BMW in for warranty work, there will be no previous record of that vehicle in the BMW computer. Therefore, BMW Canada will know that the vehicle was not "properly" (as per BMW guidelines) imported into Canada and therefore their Canadian warranty will not be honoured. It seems a heavy handed approach, but I was assured at 3 different Ontario BMW dealers, that was the case.

[Kamloops]

I need a Canadian Friendly Toyota Dealer in WASH-OREGON, or anywhere close. Had one before but no longer.

Message me , thanks!

[JPTN]

Full disclosure: I work for an auto importer. http://www.importtrader.com/

Also, in speaking to a number of BMW dealers, the company line is that if the vehicle is not seen and modified at a CDN dealership during the import process, when that customer takes his/her BMW in for warranty work, there will be no previous record of that vehicle in the BMW computer. Therefore, BMW Canada will know that the vehicle was not "properly" (as per BMW guidelines) imported into Canada and therefore their Canadian warranty will not be honoured. It seems a heavy handed approach, but I was assured at 3 different Ontario BMW dealers, that was the case.
Sorry, I should have been more accurate:
USED/non-warranty: You can get the modifications done anywhere.
BRAND NEW: You HAVE to have the modifications done by BMW Canada to register for the warranty (full manufacturer's warranty EXCEPT scheduled maintenance).

I need a Canadian Friendly Toyota Dealer in WASH-OREGON, or anywhere close. Had one before but no longer.
While Toyota hasn't closed themselves off to Canadians like Honda, they won't sell to a Canadian dealership so I don't have information about Toyota dealerships.

We're currently quoting out a couple of new BMW X5s & processing the import of a used M3 cabriolet.

[michelb]

...
Sorry, I should have been more accurate:
USED/non-warranty: You can get the modifications done anywhere.
BRAND NEW: You HAVE to have the modifications done by BMW Canada to register for the warranty (full manufacturer's warranty EXCEPT scheduled maintenance).
...

Basically, you're saying that with BMW, no warranty unless you go through BMW Canada. That's fine for those looking at 4-5+ year old cars but many are looking for new or nearly new so that means going through BMW Canada ... Which likely means $3k+ of work ...

[JPTN]

Full disclosure: I work for an auto importer.

Basically, you're saying that with BMW, no warranty unless you go through BMW Canada. That's fine for those looking at 4-5+ year old cars but many are looking for new or nearly new so that means going through BMW Canada ... Which likely means $3k+ of work ...
It all depends on the vehicle you're looking to purchase.

"$3k+ of work" doesn't mean that there STILL isn't savings... which also goes to show how much Canadian dealers rip us off.

Example: BMW X5d [Built in the U.S., no duty]
- technology package
- premium package
- cold weather package
MSRP: $59,475 USD

The equivalent vehicle in Canada, MSRP: $73,300 CAD

Using 1.05 CAD/USD, $59,475 USD = $62,448.75 CAD
Difference: $10,851.25 CAD
So despite the ~$2,500 CAD at BMW Canada for a new cluster and activating DRLs, there's still a difference of $8,351.25 CAD.

Add in cartage, administration and government fees like RIV and you're still saving ~$6,651.25 CAD.
(GST/PST apply to both vehicles so not included.)

The savings and spreads vary per vehicle, but obviously, we only target vehicles which have savings.

[michelb]

Full disclosure: I work for an auto importer.


It all depends on the vehicle you're looking to purchase.
....
The savings and spreads vary per vehicle, but obviously, we only target vehicles which have savings.

I'm not disputing that there are still significant savings. My concern was more with your blanket statement that for BMW, you didn't have to go through BMW Canada when, for many buyers they do.

You don't have to change the cluster if it has metric. Daytime running lights can be activated at an independent BMW shop for ~$50. The Registrar of Imported Vehicles (http://www.riv.ca/) does not require BMW to do the work. The inspection is done by Canadian Tire.

[JPTN]

I'm not disputing that there are still significant savings. My concern was more with your blanket statement that for BMW, you didn't have to go through BMW Canada when, for many buyers they do.
I apologize. I should have been more accurate. Hence the following post about USED vs NEW.
That said, you still DON'T have to change the cluster if it has metric units, saving yourself the $2,000 CAD or so. The other work like programming still has to be done by BMW Canada, but that huge cost is no longer being FORCED on Canadians.

(Only if the speedo/odo displays/is capable of displaying metric units.)

BMW:
USED/non-warranty: You can get the modifications done anywhere.
BRAND NEW: You HAVE to have the modifications done by BMW Canada to register for the warranty (full manufacturer's warranty EXCEPT scheduled maintenance).

[michelb]

I apologize. I should have been more accurate. Hence the following post about USED vs NEW.

BMW:
USED/non-warranty: You can get the modifications done anywhere.
BRAND NEW: You HAVE to have the modifications done by BMW Canada to register for the warranty (full manufacturer's warranty EXCEPT scheduled maintenance).

Again, that's not correct. It's more like

BMW:
out of warranty: You can get the modifications done anywhere.
BRAND NEW / USED but with remaining warranty: You HAVE to have the modifications done by BMW Canada to register for the warranty (full manufacturer's warranty EXCEPT scheduled maintenance).[/QUOTE]

[JPTN]

I don't want to turn this into a battle of semantics.

It's not "out-of-warranty". You ALWAYS have the option of getting the work done somewhere else BUT if you want the (new or remaining) U.S. warranty to transfer to Canada and be accepted here, you have to get it done by BMW.

We have people who import vehicles with FULL knowledge that the warranty is VOID but they want specific options or colours that are not available in Canada (e.g. Honda Civic Si).

BMW:
Out-of-warranty OR do not need/want warranty: You can get the modifications done anywhere.
BRAND NEW / USED & WANT remaining warranty: You HAVE to have the modifications done by BMW Canada to register for the warranty (full manufacturer's warranty EXCEPT scheduled maintenance).

[Sloan55]

That said, you still DON'T have to change the cluster if it has metric units, saving yourself the $2,000 CAD or so. The other work like programming still has to be done by BMW Canada, but that huge cost is no longer being FORCED on Canadians.

So you're saying if you brought your imported vehicle into a BMW dealership and they tell you that they have to do your DRL's, climate control and speedo, you can say to them that you don't want your speedo done and they will accept that? Seems hard to believe that you can just tell the dealership what you want do and don't want done...

[JPTN]

So you're saying if you brought your imported vehicle into a BMW dealership and they tell you that they have to do your DRL's, climate control and speedo, you can say to them that you don't want your speedo done and they will accept that? Seems hard to believe that you can just tell the dealership what you want do and don't want done...
Only if the speedo/odo displays/is capable of displaying metric units.

2009-10-01 MaxBimmer: http://www.maxbimmer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1350931&postcount=30

Transport Canada only dictates certain requirements. As long as you meet those requirements, the vehicle is road-legal:
- Metric Units [justice.gc.ca (http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/ShowDoc/cr/C.R.C.-c.1038/sc:2::sc:3/20091016?page=11#anchorsc:4-se:101-ss:_17_)]
[Stupid website. Search for "TABLE II" or "IDENTIFICATION OF DISPLAYS". It is #8 AFTER the table.]
"The unit of measurement, if identified, is “km”. Where an electronic odometer display can be switched from “km” to “mi” or from “mi” to “km” independently of the units being displayed by a speedometer, the odometer units must be identified in miles or kilometres as appropriate."

RIV: Required Vehicle Modifications - http://www.riv.ca/VehicleModifications.aspx

[freewheel]

Why, on the import trader website, does it say:

"Import Trader also saves you the U.S. state tax, which you would have to pay if you purchased the vehicle yourself as an end-user. Import Trader is tax-exempt since we are a licensed Canadian dealership buying a car to resell.
"

This is untrue, in many states including Ill., N.Y. and N.J. Canadians are exempt from state taxes.

[JPTN]

This is untrue, in many states including Ill., N.Y. and N.J. Canadians are exempt from state taxes.
Updated. Certain states exempt Canadians from state taxes, just like how Canada exempts tourists from our taxes.

[freewheel]

Updated. Certain states exempt Canadians from state taxes, just like how Canada exempts tourists from our taxes: http://importtrader.com/faqs.html#faq1

Wow, thanks for the fast action and clarification.

[Sloan55]

Wow, thanks for the fast action and clarification.

+1

JPTN, I think the problem is that you are posting slightly incorrect info and when you are challenged on that info, you keep changing the info so that it matches what is actually correct.

Many people rely on this board and its member's experiences in order to guide their purchase decisions, import tactics, etc... so it is frustrating when a poster that is "in the business" relays information that may be untrue.

[JPTN]

My apologies.

Some issues are frequently updated (e.g. warranty) while others, like the taxes are very specific. Short of going through all 48 states and listing their laws and exemptions, once we source and know where the vehicle in coming from, it's all in our quote.

The Ontario Motor Vehicle Industry Council (http://www.omvic.on.ca/), which regulates & licenses every dealer, has very strict regulations and as we're a registered and licensed dealer, we're very cognizant of the rules and our legal obligations.

Also, for BMW & Mercedes, there is a class action lawsuit right now about all their forced/unnecessary costs: http://autolawsuit.blogspot.com/
UCanImport: http://www.ucanimport.com/lawsuit.aspx

I will end it there since I just checked the rules and shouldn't be promoting any services or advertising.

Cheers.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I'd love to promote my import administrative services via Redflagdeals.com

I don't charge anything for any information regarding the import process.

I'm so annoyed with Canadian New Car Dealers and their respective association. Their tactics border on criminal.

They claim they want to protect their territories. They do. I don't see American dealers setting up shops here. If you recall, some tried to stop an American Subaru dealer from having a "get-together" in Toronto for DIY importers. That was stopped when the head office called the American dealership.

What they want to also control is the market and where you buy a car. They really push the "lack of warranty" approach on people. So what? How much do you really need to spend on warranty work anyway? You're saving thousands. I've received countless emails from RFDers lamenting that "I can buy the car in the US and save thousands but I need a warranty". I saved $18,000 buying my Subaru in the US. Even if I replaced the ENGINE and TRANSMISSION I'd still save $10k.

Granted, when I bought in 2007, Subaru US gave rebates to Canadians. Sadly Subaru Canada whined about that and put a stop to it. So you buy a Subaru now and still save more than $15k on a higher end unit.

I understand the hesitation about buying without a warranty but then again, why does a manufacturer stop you from an outright purchase?

That's the whole jist of the $2 Billion Dollar lawsuit.

I plan on taking my share of the eventual settlement and buying more US vehicles. Maybe I will take out full page ads in the major papers in Canada (if newspapers are still around when this finally settles LOL!) to promote cross-border car purchases.

Remember Toyota settled out of court for $35 million dollars when they were sued in the US courts when prices were reversed a few years back. For those new to this thread, check out: http://www.naata.org/naata/courts.html

[JPTN]

It's true. I've got an economics degree and I wonder how this isn't anti-competitive and price-fixing.

It's just ridiculous.

The more information consumers have to make informed decisions, the better.

Canada seems to get the short end of the stick for a lot of things:
- book/magazine prices
- cellphone plans, cable tv
- electronics
- etc.

:-(

[stealth]

Why, on the import trader website, does it say:

"Import Trader also saves you the U.S. state tax, which you would have to pay if you purchased the vehicle yourself as an end-user. Import Trader is tax-exempt since we are a licensed Canadian dealership buying a car to resell.
"

This is untrue, in many states including Ill., N.Y. and N.J. Canadians are exempt from state taxes.

Very informative thread.

Can someone point me to a comprehensive list of the states in which Canadians would be exempt from the state taxes when importing a vehicle?

[JPTN]

Can someone point me to a comprehensive list of the states in which Canadians would be exempt from the state taxes when importing a vehicle?
I couldn't find any single list. Your best bet is searching through individual states:
e.g. North Dakota: http://www.ndtourism.com/international/canadian-traveler/

Tax-free US Shopping: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax-free_shopping#Tax-free_shopping_in_the_United_States

U.S. State Taxes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_taxes_in_the_United_States

[jed]

There was a few posts in the thread about tax free states awhile ago - I believe about a year ago if you want to spend the time searching the thread.

[diigii]

Buying a car for import in Maryland is tax-exempt, as long as they know you are a Canadian citizen with the intent of exporting the car out of the US to Canada. No problem at all. The dealership was very knowledgeable with the process.

Some US dealers are unscrupulous with charging state sales tax, claiming that they are "required" by law. They will just keep that "tax" to pad their profits/commissions. Isn't it strange that an out-of-state US citizen buying from another state tax-exempt? Then Canadians (presumably out-of-state purchaser) suddenly has to pay the tax? :!:

[sheriffabc]

Hey Diigii - hope you are enjoying your Alitma!!!

[diigii]

Hey Diigii - hope you are enjoying your Alitma!!!

You betcha!!! I love the way it handles for a mid-size car. It's really underrated when all you hear about are Toyota Camry's (recalled!) and Honda Accord's.

What car did you end up buying the last time we talked?

[BoxsterS]

I'd love to promote my import administrative services via Redflagdeals.com

I don't charge anything for any information regarding the import process.

I'm so annoyed with Canadian New Car Dealers and their respective association. Their tactics border on criminal.

They claim they want to protect their territories. They do. I don't see American dealers setting up shops here. If you recall, some tried to stop an American Subaru dealer from having a "get-together" in Toronto for DIY importers. That was stopped when the head office called the American dealership.

What they want to also control is the market and where you buy a car. They really push the "lack of warranty" approach on people. So what? How much do you really need to spend on warranty work anyway? You're saving thousands. I've received countless emails from RFDers lamenting that "I can buy the car in the US and save thousands but I need a warranty". I saved $18,000 buying my Subaru in the US. Even if I replaced the ENGINE and TRANSMISSION I'd still save $10k.

Granted, when I bought in 2007, Subaru US gave rebates to Canadians. Sadly Subaru Canada whined about that and put a stop to it. So you buy a Subaru now and still save more than $15k on a higher end unit.

I understand the hesitation about buying without a warranty but then again, why does a manufacturer stop you from an outright purchase?

That's the whole jist of the $2 Billion Dollar lawsuit.

I plan on taking my share of the eventual settlement and buying more US vehicles. Maybe I will take out full page ads in the major papers in Canada (if newspapers are still around when this finally settles LOL!) to promote cross-border car purchases.

Remember Toyota settled out of court for $35 million dollars when they were sued in the US courts when prices were reversed a few years back. For those new to this thread, check out: http://www.naata.org/naata/courts.html

Well said, Monsieurmaggot. And thanks for your continuing efforts in helping users get the best deal for their hard earned dollars. Like you, I am frustrated and incensed by the actions of Canadian car companies. Their continued fleecing of customers and efforts to indirectly punish US dealerships willing to sell to Canadians is criminal. Even though I could afford any car I wanted, I cannot willingly bring myself to being ripped off based on principal alone. What's even more infuriating is when they pull out their rehearsed boilerplate speech on how different the U.S and Canadian models are and focus on this tact to rationalize their discriminatory and fixed pricing.

Like you've always said, buy your car in the U.S and spend your savings in Canada.

[Albertan]

... With carburner.com down, I am wondering if there is an up to date source on warranty validity out there? The APA's US to Canada warranty transfer page is a year and a half out of date! :eek:


Also, does anyone have some suggestions on the best deals in inexpensive AWD/4x4's from the US?

[montrealman]

Hi Monsieurmaggot,
Your posts are really helpful, thank you for your efforts.
I am looking to buy sienna from USA, but failed to find any dealers who are willing to sell to me.
Could you please let me know where to find those dealers?
"Toyota dealer in Kanata" is in Ontario, will they tell me "US Toyota dealers selling to Canadians."?

[michelb]

Hi Monsieurmaggot,
Your posts are really helpful, thank you for your efforts.
I am looking to buy sienna from USA, but failed to find any dealers who are willing to sell to me.
Could you please let me know where to find those dealers?
"Toyota dealer in Kanata" is in Ontario, will they tell me "US Toyota dealers selling to Canadians."?
Thanks a lot.
Mark

It will be hard to find a US Toyota dealership that will sell you a new car but if you want used, any will do it. If you want a new one, your best bet is to contact an importer and they'll be able to get you one (any importer should be able to get you a new one).

As far as the dealership in Kanata, it's not a Toyota dealer, it's Kanata Ford and in the past, they were buying used Sienna's from the states in importing them and selling them at their dealership.

[perfchris]

Hello anyone have insights on purchasing a used vehicle from the US from a private party ?

The title paper just needs to be signed off to me ? What if the title is still in the manufacturer's name ?

Does anyone have access to carfax reports for free ?

Thanks in advance !

[allanbradl]

your best bet is to contact an importer and they'll be able to get you one (any importer should be able to get you a new one).
Could you suggest an importer you or someone you know have used? Thank you.
I am looking to buy new 2009 highlander. Not in hurry though, hope to strike in january.

[Stock R]

Anybody have recommendations on some Subaru or Infiniti dealers to work with? I'm in the Ottawa/Toronto area and don’t travelling a little bit to pick up a car.

For Subarus: I've contacted Van Bortel by email and phone, but they haven't replied back to me in almost a month. Manchester Subaru has not replied to my email. Subaru of Keane has replied but they are asking MSRP + Admin fee which is too much.

For Infinti: I talked with Infiniti of Manhattan by phone and the person I spoke with was awful to work with and unhelpful.

Just a bit frustrated trying to find a recommended dealer to work with. The money is ready but no one wants to sell me a car(s).

TIA.

[scouzi]

Hello anyone have insights on purchasing a used vehicle from the US from a private party ?

The title paper just needs to be signed off to me ? What if the title is still in the manufacturer's name ?

Does anyone have access to carfax reports for free ?

Thanks in advance !

I'm shopping for a used car too - but I am finding out that used cars are slightly cheaper in Canada if you consider all the costs involved (ie 2006 G35 Coupe). However, shopping from the US gives you more selection.

Cars depreciate faster over here.

You can use autocheck.com which just as good. Click this link to get unlimited 3 months access for only $30 US (through carbuyingtips.com). Regular is $30 for 60 days.

https://www.autocheck.com//consumers/creditCardAction.do?WT.mc_id=1316&multiButton.y=371570007&multiButton.x=371570007&siteID=1316&sslRedirect=noRedirect

I've been comparing reports with free carfax ones on Ebay and they pretty much give the same results.

I`ve also been comparing salvage titles from this site

https://www.iaai.com/

These are insurance claim auctions and they publish the VIN.

[scouzi]

Anybody have recommendations on some Subaru or Infiniti dealers to work with? I'm in the Ottawa/Toronto area and don’t travelling a little bit to pick up a car.

For Subarus: I've contacted Van Bortel by email and phone, but they haven't replied back to me in almost a month. Manchester Subaru has not replied to my email. Subaru of Keane has replied but they are asking MSRP + Admin fee which is too much.

For Infinti: I talked with Infiniti of Manhattan by phone and the person I spoke with was awful to work with and unhelpful.

Just a bit frustrated trying to find a recommended dealer to work with. The money is ready but no one wants to sell me a car(s).

TIA.

Try Burlington Subaru in Vermont. I bought mine in 2007 from them. Very good experience.

[rgc97]

Anybody have recommendations on some Subaru or Infiniti dealers to work with? I'm in the Ottawa/Toronto area and don’t travelling a little bit to pick up a car.

For Subarus: I've contacted Van Bortel by email and phone, but they haven't replied back to me in almost a month. Manchester Subaru has not replied to my email. Subaru of Keane has replied but they are asking MSRP + Admin fee which is too much.

TIA.

Just keep calling Karl @ VB and you'll reach him sooner or later. You can do everything by e-mail, and you don't pay anything until you pick up your vehicle.

You can price your Subie online at the VB website. Lots of redflaggers have purchased thru Karl.

[killbillvol1]

Could you suggest an importer you or someone you know have used? Thank you.
I am looking to buy new 2009 highlander. Not in hurry though, hope to strike in january.

If you're not opposed to the idea, a slightly used 2008/2009 Highlander might be a better idea.

Save even more $$, easier to buy, import and the certified warranty is typically longer and valid in Canada.

[Monsieurmaggot]

There's also West Herr (I bought my Subie there) and Northtown (a co-worker bought from them).

I hear some dealers are trying to squeeze close to MSRP from Canadians.

The trick is not to say you're Canadian. I heard the prices get cheaper as you move away from the border.

[scouzi]

There's also West Herr (I bought my Subie there) and Northtown (a co-worker bought from them).

I hear some dealers are trying to squeeze close to MSRP from Canadians.

The trick is not to say you're Canadian. I heard the prices get cheaper as you move away from the border.

I agree some will give you pricing by e-mail. Use a generic hotmail or gmail account.

Here`s a real-time car locator for all of New-England for Subarus.


http://www.newenglandsubaru.com/2008_locate.asp

[webthrasher]

Anybody have recommendations on some Subaru or Infiniti dealers to work with? I'm in the Ottawa/Toronto area and don’t travelling a little bit to pick up a car.

For Subarus: I've contacted Van Bortel by email and phone, but they haven't replied back to me in almost a month. Manchester Subaru has not replied to my email. Subaru of Keane has replied but they are asking MSRP + Admin fee which is too much.

For Infinti: I talked with Infiniti of Manhattan by phone and the person I spoke with was awful to work with and unhelpful.

Just a bit frustrated trying to find a recommended dealer to work with. The money is ready but no one wants to sell me a car(s).

TIA.

You should try West Herr Subaru, I got an email from one of their internet sales specialists that they are selling to Canadians for invoice -2%.

[HP_John]

Anybody have recommendations on some Subaru or Infiniti dealers to work with? I'm in the Ottawa/Toronto area and don’t travelling a little bit to pick up a car.

For Infinti: I talked with Infiniti of Manhattan by phone and the person I spoke with was awful to work with and unhelpful.

I too dealt with I of M at 1st & found them really unhelpful. In fact, it seems like the NY state Infiniti dealers try to rip off Cdns. California Infiniti dealers in general are much more helpful & willing to work in a fair way with Cdns. I imported my G37 back in Jan/Feb 08 & saved lots. Make sure to do your homework to see how much you're really saving though, you may find it's not worth it in the case of a G37.

I ran some numbers a few wks ago based on a $0.97/$1.03 exchange rate:

Infiniti Canada
G37 Coupe (rwd)
$45,200 MSRP +
$1,825 Freight & PDE -
$5,000 Cash Purchase Credit =
$42,025 Total Before Taxes

Infiniti USA
$36,650 MSRP +
$3,200 Premium Package (Standard in Canada) +
$865 Destination & Handling =
$40,715 x
1.05 (what the bank will charge on a $0.97/$1.03 exchange rate) =
$42,750.75 +
6.1% Duty =
$45,358.55 Total Before Taxes

I didn't add shipping (at least $1,000 unless you pick it up yourself), $200 RIV fee, & $200 DRL conversion. If you buy near the border, the NY state Infiniti dealers discount very little to Cdns compared to California dealers, in which case even with the > $1,000 shipping, it's cheaper than NY state. Yes, you are likely to get a better % discount from Cali Infiniti dealers than Ont dealers, but I still don't think it's enough to make it worth it to import a G37 Coupe (rwd) at this time. With shipping, RIV, & DRL, I'm quite sure it'd be cheaper to buy in Ont than to import from Cali at this time, you'd have to assume a Cali dealer will discount the car $4,800 more than a Ont dealer would, just to make it even in cost (eg if Ont dealer discounts $2,200, Cali dealer would have to discount $7,000 to make it a break even proposition to import).

[allanbradl]

If you're not opposed to the idea, a slightly used 2008/2009 Highlander might be a better idea.

Save even more $$, easier to buy, import and the certified warranty is typically longer and valid in Canada.

That is a general conclusion I am arriving to, it seems just like too much of a hassle to try to get new car, now - the used market is flooded with v6 and I am looking for 4 cyl (look at the gas price) it is abundant in new and few in used. Thing is , most of us if we want something we want it yesterday. Sure enough I will take my time to wait for right model and betting on january, when 2009 will be "last" year. Thanks for feedback.

[Stock R]

Thanks for the suggestions guys. I was finally able to get a hold of Karl this morning and he's suppose to call me back... Let's hope he does.

[petaling108]

Thanks for the suggestions guys. I was finally able to get a hold of Karl this morning and he's suppose to call me back... Let's hope he does.

lately not very prompt reply
Pressure from Subaru Canada?
Too many RFD sheisters?
business too good since Cash for Clunkers cleaned out supply chain?

[montrealman]

I read many posts of this thread and came out with this method since I want my relative be involved as minimum as possible, can somebody confirm if this works:

I deal with the dealer myself with my relative's US address;
I buy from a different state than the one my relative lives in;
I pay the deposit by my credit card and balance from my canadian US account;
I get an incurrance under my name from a canadian insurer to get the temp in-trans permit;
I ship the car to my relative's state which is closer to the border;
My relative sells the car to me before register it in US, so no sales tax,
I export the car to canada;

my main concern is step 3 and step 4, will the US dealer accept my credit card, my canadian US account to wire the money, and the insurrance under my name got in canada?
your help is greatly appreciated.

[Cough]

I want to import a Lexus RX350 from the US. Lexus put severe restrictions and fines on their US dealers for selling to Canadians. I need someone in Washington, Montana, Idaho, Oregon, Utah or Nevada who will work with me - including a transit permit of course. Alternative is a dealer in Oregon who would arrange registration in Oregon (no sales tax) or maybe even Texas altho thats a long way away.

Please PM if you have any contacts.

While I dont want to deal with an Eastern US dealer, if anyone from the East has further insights on how to do it, that would be great. I do understand that some people have managed to register a car in Texas (not sure how since their DMV seems not to permit it for Canadians)

[michelb]

I read many posts of this thread and came out with this method since I want my relative be involved as minimum as possible, can somebody confirm if this works:

I deal with the dealer myself with my relative's US address;
I buy from a different state than the one my relative lives in;
I pay the deposit by my credit card and balance from my canadian US account;
I get an incurrance under my name from a canadian insurer to get the temp in-trans permit;
I ship the car to my relative's state which is closer to the border;
My relative sells the car to me before register it in US, so no sales tax,
I export the car to canada;

my main concern is step 3 and step 4, will the US dealer accept my credit card, my canadian US account to wire the money, and the insurrance under my name got in canada?
your help is greatly appreciated.

This only really works in your relative lives in a state that doesn't have tax on cars or in a state that doesn't have a tax reciprocity agreement which rules out most states.

Some dealers will also insist on seeing a driver's license at the address (this is fine if your relative is buying the car first but won't work if you want to buy in your name from the dealership).

[Elusivellama]

Hi, new to this thread... anybody know offhand if it would be worth buying a Honda Civic Si from US, compared to buying it from a stealership here in Canada? I know I can probably get one for about $30k here on the road...

[deham]

After long time research and study, I come to realize that the most feasible/easier method to buy a brand NEW toyota from US dealership is that get a US address and proof then buy from out-of-state dealer then import to Canada. I saw bunch of people here claimed they have success story but haven't seen any step by step guide. I'm still not clear on a few things and like to validate if below plan works or not. hope someone shed lights here.

1. Get proof of residency by asking family/friends in US to add me into their phone/utility bills. Wait for next bill coming in and my name shows up on it.

2. Find a deal in different state and confirm that they will NOT charge the tax as I'm not going to register the car in dealer's state. Also I need dealer confirm that they can accept phone/utility bills as proof of residency and use my Canadian driver license to pickup the car? I don't know at which sales stage dealer will ask for this? Do I need lay the address&driver license thing straight with dealer before paying deposit to avoid losing deposit if the issue comes up later on.

3. Complete the transaction and pick up the car.
a. I need have MCO with my name on it.
b. MCO needs to fax to US custom. Can I ask dealer fax to me then I fax to custom? or have to ask dealer to do it? But it doesn't make sense to them as I can't tell them I need export the new car otherwise they won't sell it to me!!!
c. Get temp tag. A dealer told me they only charge $19 for this.
d. Temp plate. Do I need this? Is it same thing as temp tag?

4. Drive back to Toronto and clear custom.

5. Call toyota Canada and provide VIN so they can honor the US warranty. I called toyota and was told "toyota canada will honor the warranty but the warranty will be still housed by toyota US. So when do repair under warranty the Canadian dealer will need call toyota US to verify the warranty if they're not able to (for example, holiday, weekend) you have to pay the cost out of your pocket and get reimbursement from toyota US later." Is it true and that's you guys how experienced when do a repair? I also was told by US dealer "Toyota does not allow new cars to be exported from US to Canada." with all that being said, will toyota US give me trouble on warranty when Canadian dealer called them and they found out the car been exported as new car which against the policy?

It would be appreciated if you could share your experience. I'm going to write up and step by step guide if I can get a new car from US. :-)

[darbsllim]

I want to import a Lexus RX350 from the US. Lexus put severe restrictions and fines on their US dealers for selling to Canadians. I need someone in Washington, Montana, Idaho, Oregon, Utah or Nevada who will work with me - including a transit permit of course. Alternative is a dealer in Oregon who would arrange registration in Oregon (no sales tax) or maybe even Texas altho thats a long way away.

Please PM if you have any contacts.

While I dont want to deal with an Eastern US dealer, if anyone from the East has further insights on how to do it, that would be great. I do understand that some people have managed to register a car in Texas (not sure how since their DMV seems not to permit it for Canadians)



Hey I'm also looking for a Lexus RX350. I have a friend in the states who runs a used car lot, and goes to car auctions all the time - I have him on the lookout for one for me - but I haven't found out the process that you need to go through to actually import it.

Could you shed a little light on what I'd need to do once I find the car?

[michelb]

After long time research and study, I come to realize that the most feasible/easier method to buy a brand NEW toyota from US dealership is that get a US address and proof then buy from out-of-state dealer then import to Canada. I saw bunch of people here claimed they have success story but haven't seen any step by step guide. I'm still not clear on a few things and like to validate if below plan works or not. hope someone shed lights here.

1. Get proof of residency by asking family/friends in US to add me into their phone/utility bills. Wait for next bill coming in and my name shows up on it.

2. Find a deal in different state and confirm that they will NOT charge the tax as I'm not going to register the car in dealer's state. Also I need dealer confirm that they can accept phone/utility bills as proof of residency and use my Canadian driver license to pickup the car? I don't know at which sales stage dealer will ask for this? Do I need lay the address&driver license thing straight with dealer before paying deposit to avoid losing deposit if the issue comes up later on.

3. Complete the transaction and pick up the car.
a. I need have MCO with my name on it.
b. MCO needs to fax to US custom. Can I ask dealer fax to me then I fax to custom? or have to ask dealer to do it? But it doesn't make sense to them as I can't tell them I need export the new car otherwise they won't sell it to me!!!
c. Get temp tag. A dealer told me they only charge $19 for this.
d. Temp plate. Do I need this? Is it same thing as temp tag?

4. Drive back to Toronto and clear custom.

5. Call toyota Canada and provide VIN so they can honor the US warranty. I called toyota and was told "toyota canada will honor the warranty but the warranty will be still housed by toyota US. So when do repair under warranty the Canadian dealer will need call toyota US to verify the warranty if they're not able to (for example, holiday, weekend) you have to pay the cost out of your pocket and get reimbursement from toyota US later." Is it true and that's you guys how experienced when do a repair? I also was told by US dealer "Toyota does not allow new cars to be exported from US to Canada." with all that being said, will toyota US give me trouble on warranty when Canadian dealer called them and they found out the car been exported as new car which against the policy?

It would be appreciated if you could share your experience. I'm going to write up and step by step guide if I can get a new car from US. :-)

There's no guide because there's no step by step method that will work for everyone.

1) Not everyone has a friend/relative in the US to use.

1b) Some dealerships insist on seeing a driver's license at that US address

2) For many states this isn't an option; several states have tax reciprocity agreement meaning that you still have to pay the tax (e.g. if you live in NY but buy in Florida, Florida has to collect taxes on behalf of NY because they have an tax agreement). Also some states will charge tax no matter what.

3) You have to be careful here cause they aren't allowed to sell to you if they know you intend to export the vehicle do Canada.

5) You don't need to call Toyota Canada (at least I never did and had work done on warranty).

[Monky]

After long time research and study, I come to realize that the most feasible/easier method to buy a brand NEW toyota from US dealership is that get a US address and proof then buy from out-of-state dealer then import to Canada. I saw bunch of people here claimed they have success story but haven't seen any step by step guide. I'm still not clear on a few things and like to validate if below plan works or not. hope someone shed lights here.

1. Get proof of residency by asking family/friends in US to add me into their phone/utility bills. Wait for next bill coming in and my name shows up on it.

2. Find a deal in different state and confirm that they will NOT charge the tax as I'm not going to register the car in dealer's state. Also I need dealer confirm that they can accept phone/utility bills as proof of residency and use my Canadian driver license to pickup the car? I don't know at which sales stage dealer will ask for this? Do I need lay the address&driver license thing straight with dealer before paying deposit to avoid losing deposit if the issue comes up later on.

3. Complete the transaction and pick up the car.
a. I need have MCO with my name on it.
b. MCO needs to fax to US custom. Can I ask dealer fax to me then I fax to custom? or have to ask dealer to do it? But it doesn't make sense to them as I can't tell them I need export the new car otherwise they won't sell it to me!!!
c. Get temp tag. A dealer told me they only charge $19 for this.
d. Temp plate. Do I need this? Is it same thing as temp tag?

4. Drive back to Toronto and clear custom.

5. Call toyota Canada and provide VIN so they can honor the US warranty. I called toyota and was told "toyota canada will honor the warranty but the warranty will be still housed by toyota US. So when do repair under warranty the Canadian dealer will need call toyota US to verify the warranty if they're not able to (for example, holiday, weekend) you have to pay the cost out of your pocket and get reimbursement from toyota US later." Is it true and that's you guys how experienced when do a repair? I also was told by US dealer "Toyota does not allow new cars to be exported from US to Canada." with all that being said, will toyota US give me trouble on warranty when Canadian dealer called them and they found out the car been exported as new car which against the policy?

It would be appreciated if you could share your experience. I'm going to write up and step by step guide if I can get a new car from US. :-)


I imported a Honda last year. I had my friend in Oregon (no sales tax) as the purchaser from a dealer in Seattle. He had to provide a copy of his DL and utility bill. The rest was straight forward. I negotiated the price and agreed to the purchase. They prepped the paperwork under his name and couriered it to him for signature. Once the dealership received the paperwork back, they sent him the MCO and final documents. My friend signed the back of the MCO over to me and we had it notarized for $10 to make it official. Also, a bill of sale was completed between my friend and I. I picked up the car from the dealer (yes, the dealer knew the arrangement) and drove it back up to Vancouver with a temp permit. No plates required.

Also, a copy of the MCO was e-mailed to me ahead of time so that I could send it to US customs.

Your issue will be to have a friend/relative that lives in a state without sales taxes. After that, it is straight forward. I used sites such as Edmunds and car forums to find the best price.

Good luck!

[superdeals]

Thank you Monsieurmaggot!! Well done, and keep up the fight.

[deham]

1b) Some dealerships insist on seeing a driver's license at that US address



michelb, thank you. When did dealership want to check DL? when you negotiating the OTR price? Buyers order? or when you pick up the car?

[Pseudo Nim]

Right, so I was following this thread back in 2006 or so, then I tuned out for a bit, then I'm back again, hehe. I'm curious if anybody has imported a used Mini into Canada. I've spoken to BMW, and they list the following fees they will charge:

- letter that the car is "ok", $500
- DRL reprogramming ($100 to $500)
- dashboard retrofit ($1,000-$2,000).

The last one seems dubious since the dashes already have both units, and I've even seen American Minis for sale in Canada that have US dashes. But the BMW dealer told me they just recently got another fax of the corporate policies, and BMW specifically reiterated that they will not issue the letter of conformity unless the dash has been swapped.

Anybody go through this? I'm guessing I'm screwed, but still.

[perfchris]

Does anyone have a link to a step by step guide for importing a vehicle from the US from a private seller ?

The part that I am unsure about is the title transfer in MD and how do I obtain a temp tag to drive the vehicle back up to Canada.

Thanks for any pointers that anyone coud give me.

[Cough]

Hey I'm also looking for a Lexus RX350. I have a friend in the states who runs a used car lot, and goes to car auctions all the time - I have him on the lookout for one for me - but I haven't found out the process that you need to go through to actually import it.

Could you shed a little light on what I'd need to do once I find the car?

Much easier with a used car. Buy car, get title, get transit sticker, get insurance, fax info to US border, read 1100 pages of this thread, import car

[Anonymouse]

Right, so I was following this thread back in 2006 or so, then I tuned out for a bit, then I'm back again, hehe. I'm curious if anybody has imported a used Mini into Canada. I've spoken to BMW, and they list the following fees they will charge:

- letter that the car is "ok", $500
- DRL reprogramming ($100 to $500)
- dashboard retrofit ($1,000-$2,000).

The last one seems dubious since the dashes already have both units, and I've even seen American Minis for sale in Canada that have US dashes. But the BMW dealer told me they just recently got another fax of the corporate policies, and BMW specifically reiterated that they will not issue the letter of conformity unless the dash has been swapped.

Anybody go through this? I'm guessing I'm screwed, but still.

Go back a few pages in this thread; there was some useful information about importing BMWs (and by extension, Minis). For an out-of-warranty car, there is no reason to deal with BMW Canada at all. Just get a recall letter stamped by a BMW/Mini dealer as a condition of the sale.

BTW, I think after 2006 Mini started putting mph only on the American cars to foil importers - is there a way to display kph on the digital display on 2007+ Minis?

[Benny]

My friend just bought me a Saab in New Jersey. I live in Toronto.
My sister lives in Maryland.

Is it worth it for me to have it registered under her name in Maryland and then have her drive it to me in Toronto or should I just go and get it myself.

Is there any other way?

If my sister registers it in Maryland (6% tax i believe), and drives it to me, does she have to declare it at the border...or not?

Can i take advantage of the tax emption as a gift if she registers it under her name...

If she gifts it to me, can i stray from the NAFTA 6% duty?

Can i take advantage of the tax exemption if it is registered under a dealer name but she gifts it to me?

Please advise with your expertise

[diigii]

Does anyone have a link to a step by step guide for importing a vehicle from the US from a private seller ?

The part that I am unsure about is the title transfer in MD and how do I obtain a temp tag to drive the vehicle back up to Canada.

Thanks for any pointers that anyone coud give me.

I can tell that you can obtain the temp tag from a Maryland DMV branch. It costs $20.

[HP_John]

My friend just bought me a Saab in New Jersey. I live in Toronto.
My sister lives in Maryland.

Is it worth it for me to have it registered under her name in Maryland and then have her drive it to me in Toronto or should I just go and get it myself.

Is there any other way?

If my sister registers it in Maryland (6% tax i believe), and drives it to me, does she have to declare it at the border...or not?

Can i take advantage of the tax emption as a gift if she registers it under her name...

If she gifts it to me, can i stray from the NAFTA 6% duty?

Can i take advantage of the tax exemption if it is registered under a dealer name but she gifts it to me?

Please advise with your expertise

I believe that if your sister tries to gift it to you, you are still subject to Cdn taxes. I believe the relationship where you get tax exemption on transfer of vehicle ownership in gift situations has to be paternal/maternal (grandparents, parents, children but not siblings, cousins, uncles/aunts).

[michelb]

I believe that if your sister tries to gift it to you, you are still subject to Cdn taxes. I believe the relationship where you get tax exemption on transfer of vehicle ownership in gift situations has to be paternal/maternal (grandparents, parents, children but not siblings, cousins, uncles/aunts).

You're correct that siblings don't qualify for the tax exemption but for imports it's a non-issue anyway. When you import from the US you always have to pay the taxes no matter who it's from. (I actually tried gifting my US registered vehicle to my wife to save the taxes when we imported but it's a no go).

[tiron]

The C$ is down again today. If this trend continues, soon it may not be worth importing new cars from the US (at least those that are non-luxury).

[mangoman]

You say that like it's a bad thing! :) That just means that the dealers are actually having to make their prices more reasonable!

Also, would you rather have a job and pay the same or slightly more for a vehicle or no job/no industry in your sector because of reduced sales/revenues from US clients. I'm ok with a 90-cent or slightly lower dollar- it pads our US-sales since we charge in USD and means more money to go around for raises here and a decent balance between work and family life.

The C$ is down again today. If this trend continues, soon it may not be worth importing new cars from the US (at least those that are non-luxury).

[Benny]

You're correct that siblings don't qualify for the tax exemption but for imports it's a non-issue anyway. When you import from the US you always have to pay the taxes no matter who it's from. (I actually tried gifting my US registered vehicle to my wife to save the taxes when we imported but it's a no go).

Allow me to clarify. My friend found me a Saab at the auction in New Jersey. He bid for it and won the bid. I wired the money to Adesa New Jersey today (converting the money was costly). So now i want to know what the best route to take.

At the moment it is a New Jersey Car.

I live in Toronto. My sister lives in Maryland. My parents live in Toronto.

My friend says he can get me a temp tag and I can drive it to Canada.

But I was thinking of avoiding the Canadian GST & PST. Can my sister export it to my mom/ dad and then my parents gift it to me, would that work?

Also, since it is a new jersey car, and she resides in MD, if she registers it under her name in MD, does she pay any taxes at all?? I would like to avoid the GST & PST in Canada. I know the duties are inevitable. Unless there is another way....

Is it true that since my sister lives in MD and she is purchasing a New Jersey Car that she needs to pay taxes in NJ and in Maryland?

Please advise.

[diigii]

If you want to avoid the GST and PST, that's a case for tax evasion. Never ever try to avoid paying the sales taxes because CBSA will get you at a later date. There's one guy here who learned this the hard way 6 months after he crossed the border.

You CANNOT avoid paying GST, PST and 6.1% duty on an imported car especially it's a Saab made in Sweden, be it new or used. It doesn't matter where the car will be registered with a temp tag. You will still pay GST at the border and PST when you register in Ontario. My advice is pay the sales taxes. They'll be lower anyway as a consequence of the car's declared value at the border.

My understanding is that your sister will not pay NJ sales tax because she's an out-of-state resident. She will be paying the sales tax in MD when she registers the car there.

Allow me to clarify. My friend found me a Saab at the auction in New Jersey. He bid for it and won the bid. I wired the money to Adesa New Jersey today (converting the money was costly). So now i want to know what the best route to take.

At the moment it is a New Jersey Car.

I live in Toronto. My sister lives in Maryland. My parents live in Toronto.

My friend says he can get me a temp tag and I can drive it to Canada.

But I was thinking of avoiding the Canadian GST & PST. Can my sister export it to my mom/ dad and then my parents gift it to me, would that work?

Also, since it is a new jersey car, and she resides in MD, if she registers it under her name in MD, does she pay any taxes at all?? I would like to avoid the GST & PST in Canada. I know the duties are inevitable. Unless there is another way....

Is it true that since my sister lives in MD and she is purchasing a New Jersey Car that she needs to pay taxes in NJ and in Maryland?

Please advise.

[HP_John]

I concur with diigii, don't try to "pull a fast one" on this, not only is it legally wrong but the consequences are grave & there is a good chance they'll eventually find out.