WOW ---- New cars from US up to 30% cheaper (cost to import under $200)

[LoveRFD]

Just fund this:

"Just bought a 2008 Nissan Quest MSRP $26500 incl des. chg for $15,900! This was at Glenn Nissan in Lexington, KY.
The deal is that Nissan has a $3500 rebate going plus $5000 back to dealers who sell over a certain number of cars. Glenn Nissan passed the savings to the customer and sold several units Fri/ Sat. I picked up one today and wanted to alert others to be on the lookout in their area for the same deal.
It really takes all depreciation out of buying a new vehicle where you lose 20% the moment you drive off the lot.
Now if gas goes down, we be a doin' real gud! lol "

LINKY (http://www.glennnissan.com/nissan/share/specials.php)!


That price is insane comparing with the price here in Canada! You could buy 2 of them and still cheaper than buying 1 in Canada.

[Kamloops]

Just recieved this reply from a Toyota Dealer in California, seems odd they would not be able to get the MSO, other Toyota dealers I have spoken with seem to not have a problem with it. Some just say they cant sell to Canadians but some do.

How would you respond to this

""For you to be able to register it in Canada, you will need an MSO (Manufactures Statement of Origin). This needs to be issued by Toyota. Toyota does not allow us to export cars. Therefore, I would not be able to obtain the MSO, and you would not be able to register it in Canada."

[fiercetiger]

Has anyone recently bought a BMW from the states? I am looking at a 750I and was wondering what the dealers in Canada will charge for "documents" and mods to meet Canadian specs. Thanks in advance.

For BMW's, I have been looking into buying a used E46 M3 from the US. However, all imported vehicles have to be serviced by a registered BMW or MINI dealer before you can receive a recall letter.

"See explanations section.
Note 1: BMW Canada informed Transport
Canada that ALL modifications MUST be
performed (and documented) by an authorized
Canadian BMW or MINI Retailer and must be
completed before a recall clearance letter can
be issued by BMW Group Canada.
Please contact an authorized Canadian BMW
or MINI Retailer for information regarding the
exact nature and costs of modifications
required. The modifications vary by model and
may be expensive.
Visit the BMW Canada website at
www.bmw.ca for detailed contact information
regarding retailers in Canada, as well as
information on U.S. vehicle importation."

From the RIV site. You should contact BMW Canada to find out how much they charge to do the DRLs and the cluster swap if needed or if it can be changed by way of the computer. Since the bumper laws have changed the cost should not be so high.

[fiercetiger]

Just recieved this reply from a Toyota Dealer in California, seems odd they would not be able to get the MSO, other Toyota dealers I have spoken with seem to not have a problem with it. Some just say they cant sell to Canadians but some do.

How would you respond to this

""For you to be able to register it in Canada, you will need an MSO (Manufactures Statement of Origin). This needs to be issued by Toyota. Toyota does not allow us to export cars. Therefore, I would not be able to obtain the MSO, and you would not be able to register it in Canada."

I would tell them that they are capitalist pigs and you do not want to buy their car if it was the last piece of metal on earth.

Seriously, tactics like this piss me right off.

I would honestly try another dealer though. Which dealer is this? Dealers closer to the border are saying all sorts of things to Canadians to get them to stop buying in the US.

Someone from work my just brought in a new Camry from a dealer in Jacksonville Florida. I could PM the information of the dealership to you if you would like.

[fiercetiger]

Sorry I just saw your location and that it was a California dealership.
Florida may be a little too far for you! :o

[pulsar]

How would you respond to this

""For you to be able to register it in Canada, you will need an MSO (Manufactures Statement of Origin). This needs to be issued by Toyota. Toyota does not allow us to export cars. Therefore, I would not be able to obtain the MSO, and you would not be able to register it in Canada."
I would call them on this and tell them that the Dealers receive the MSOs on ALL new vehicles whether imported or not. This is provided to every dealer because each new Toyota purchased MUST have an MSO prior to Titling and Licensing in the purchasers State. Thus if I was in Montana and decided to purchase from a California dealer, the dealer must provide me with the MSO for me to title and license the vehicle in Montana. The dealer wouldn't tell me to wait 2 days to complete the purchase while Toyota Corp Fedex's the MSO to the Dealer.

What this California dealer is spewing is crap. I obtained my MSO through the dealer no probs. Anyways, you've done enough importing to know it's crap.

[Kamloops]

I would call them on this and tell them that the Dealers receive the MSOs on ALL new vehicles whether imported or not. This is provided to every dealer because each new Toyota purchased MUST have an MSO prior to Titling and Licensing in the purchasers State. Thus if I was in Montana and decided to purchase from a California dealer, the dealer must provide me with the MSO for me to title and license the vehicle in Montana. The dealer wouldn't tell me to wait 2 days to complete the purchase while Toyota Corp Fedex's the MSO to the Dealer.

What this California dealer is spewing is crap. I obtained my MSO through the dealer no probs. Anyways, you've done enough importing to know it's crap.

I recently bought a new Yamaha FZ6, same thing some dealers said they would not be able to sell to me others were no problem , they had the MSO for me when I arrived. Here is the email reply I got.

Dealer is http://www.toyotaofhb.com/

For you to be able to register it in Canada, you will need an MSO (Manufactures Statement of Origin). This needs to be issued by Toyota. Toyota does not allow us to export cars. Therefore, I would not be able to obtain the MSO, and you would not be able to register it in Canada.


Any other questions, let me know.


Thank you,
Scott Marino
Fleet/Internet Director
Toyota of Huntington Beach
(714) 500-2020 Direct
(714) 321-6430 Cell
(714) 841-9857 FAX
smarino@mytoyota.net

[letitbe1973]

Hi,

Could people successfully imported Lexus please PM me the dealer info? I am in Toronto and like to import new Lexus in these two months. Thanks so much.

[HCaulfield]

Hi,

Could people successfully imported Lexus please PM me the dealer info? I am in Toronto and like to import new Lexus in these two months. Thanks so much.

Lexus of Manhattan ....

easiest ever!!!

[ottofly]

[QUOTE=fiercetiger;7138742]I would tell them that they are capitalist pigs and you do not want to buy their car if it was the last piece of metal on earth.

Seriously, tactics like this piss me right off.


Yeah, thats a piss off. So is GM, who has essentially slammed the door shut for anyone wishing to import a 2008 Corvette now that the bumper rules no longer apply. One would think, with GM facing massive headwinds, I would say bankruptcy but I doubt it, you'd think they would stop turning buyers, any buyers away.

This from EVS Corvette in Wisconsin after an enquiry.


Thanks Mr. xxxxxxxx...don't be baffled...it's not that we are turning down business....please read my entire response...WE CAN'T do business out of the country on 2008 Corvettes.....I can loose my franchise...GM just had meetings about this.....it is much deeper than you think, but not our call....selling cars at losses now as it is and then risk loosing it all..I can't risk that; in addition...if I don't I also hurt the customer because GM can and has BLOCKED warranties on vehicles that are not sold properly for certain area's.

You need to talk with the big guys in downtown Detroit...we are simply doing as we are told.

Rick"Corvette"Conti
National Corvette Director
EVS Chevrolet~Random Lake
www.corvetteconti.com
1-800-657-0749

[Matty]

Just saw this over in PA.

http://conicellinissan.reachlocal.net/specials/print_ads.htm



Did you guys see these prices?! Lease a brand new 2008 Pathfinder for $99/mon?? Rogue $89?! Sentra $69?! Are other US dealers doing this too? That's less than my cell bill.

[Lonewolf1]

If it looks 'too good to be true' it usually is.


Did you guys see these prices?! Lease a brand new 2008 Pathfinder for $99/mon?? Rogue $89?! Sentra $69?! Are other US dealers doing this too? That's less than my cell bill.

[jed]

Theres a Ford dealer in YEG that does this - its usually for a limited term, like 6 mos and then goes to normal rates.

[mangoman]

If you can read the smudgy find print, the deals require $3995 cash down on top of the first payment, and some other $395 or $595 bank fee) - still decent prices though!

Did you guys see these prices?! Lease a brand new 2008 Pathfinder for $99/mon?? Rogue $89?! Sentra $69?! Are other US dealers doing this too? That's less than my cell bill.

[petaling108]

If you can read the smudgy find print, the deals require $3995 cash down on top of the first payment, and some other $395 or $595 bank fee) - still decent prices though!

Dealers near Philadelphia are notorious for counting down payment,military discount(if you are serving Uncle Sam armed forces),new military college grad discount etc and putting
$10,000 for a "Ferrari" on Highway billboard

[kergoz]

I am just wondering how the check is done at CT to see if you have an engine immobilizer on the car. Do you need to show them some sort of invoice or document that says the car has one or can they tell right away? For instance the Sienna LE comes with an engine immobilizer as standard.

[scrolllock]

Be prepared with all your documentation to prove that the car comes with a factory installed imobilizer. Don't take any chances.

[sienna owner]

I am just wondering how the check is done at CT to see if you have an engine immobilizer on the car. Do you need to show them some sort of invoice or document that says the car has one or can they tell right away? For instance the Sienna LE comes with an engine immobilizer as standard.

normally they will have a tiny clear sticker on the driver side window indicating there is one there....plus, you probably have a warning light that flashes on the dash indicating it has one...but your dealer's info package will also have confimation that it comes standard on it, and that will be enough

[Manitoby]

Your friend got a killer deal.

I just priced out an 08 Impreza Sport to compare with my imported Impreza Outback Sport and with alittle negotiation on the MSRP, the end price would be pretty simlar. When I bought initially (January), I was ahead by about $5000.

Pretty impressive cashback offer...which makes their MSRP pricing look even more fishy.

He got the deal from Willowdale Subaru. I guess you can negotiate some really good deals if you know the dealer's bottom line (from APA). The thing is if your are close (+/-) to what they would sell, they do not want you to walk out the door and go to their competitors.

I am not good at bargining so next time when I buy a car, I will ask him to negotiate for me. It is good to have someone who is impartial to do the talking. It's all about psychology.

[usacars2canada]

I am just wondering how the check is done at CT to see if you have an engine immobilizer on the car. Do you need to show them some sort of invoice or document that says the car has one or can they tell right away? For instance the Sienna LE comes with an engine immobilizer as standard.
We have imported 6 new vehicles last week and they were all being inspected by Canadian Tire simultaneously. 5 of them are 2008 Sienna's which come with immobilizer, and the 6th one is a 2008 RAV4 which does not have immobilizer. We originally planned to install the immobilizer for the RAV4, but CT has passed the Federal inspection for all of them. Now it is up to the customer whether she would like to install it or not, although technically it needs to be done.

[letitbe1973]

I was trying to do price quote with Lexus of Englewood. I told them I am Canadian. They said they could not export vehicles to Canada. I told them that I've found other Lexus dealers who can. Here is what I received from them:
"I wouldn't tell anyone you found Dealerships that will export , Lexus Corp monitors these emails , they will strip those Dealers of cars ."

Is there something I did wrong?

[dracore]

I was trying to do price quote with Lexus of Englewood. I told them I am Canadian. They said they could not export vehicles to Canada. I told them that I've found other Lexus dealers who can. Here is what I received from them:
"I wouldn't tell anyone you found Dealerships that will export , Lexus Corp monitors these emails , they will strip those Dealers of cars ."

Is there something I did wrong?

Maybe they are hinting that you shouldn't email them and you should talk to them on the phone directly

[scrolllock]

:confused: :confused: Recently we have added some posts on this thread hoping to further educate Canadians on buying a Car in the United States. We have indicated that if they go to a certain web site we created they will find more information that will help them make informed buying decisions.

We are giving them options, and we are certainly not trying to get them to stop using this redFlagdeals thread,or compete with this thread.

We are also asking them to sign our petition for fair automobile pricing in Canada. As you all know the Government plays a key roll in why we are paying outlandish prices for automobiles. We will point out again that Canadians are paying over $6 Billion a year more for their automobiles than their cousins in the U.S.

The ideals of most of the people that use this thread and the website that we refer to are the same. Consumer Advocacy! Canadians want fair pricing of automobiles.

We discussed this situation with M. Maggott yesterday,why the MODERATOR of this thread keeps deleting the posts we make. He is befuddled and indicated to us that sometimes the MODERATOR even deletes his posts.

Well Mr. Maggott and our group have the same mission and we are attempting to work together for Canadians.

We are befuddled ,that as a MODERATOR, you could not come out and send us a PM indicating what rules if any, we might have broken.

As a MODERATOR, would it not be fair to come out of the closet? We would like to see a name or a face.


We imagine that the "BOYS" running this website are making quite a few bucks and we do not begrudge you that, but what are you doing to promote fairness in the market and campaign for the individual hard-working consumer.

If you continue to delete legitimate posts ,preventing Canadians from being properly educated on this subject, or giving them options, most of your membership will see through your tactics.

If your rules of engagement prevent people from becoming actively involved and/ or signing petitions then this is not right.

The credibility of this thread is being lowered by your actions Mr MODERATOR.
DO you seriously consider our little web site a threat to your revenues?


Mr. MODERATOR, we would like some answers.

Mr. MODERATOR, Canadians using this thread would like some answers.


I am not sure if I sign this with my name or if I refer to my group or website you will delete this post, so

Ciao, from Scrolllock:)

[Rehan]

I was the one that deleted your recent Audi post (and the repost). And Ryan deleted the more blatant promotional post. You're of course welcome to contribute to RFD, but just tone it down with the link dropping... you seem to do it in just about every one of your posts here.

What you can do instead is to add a link to your site in your signature, and then the posts you make should have good useful content instead of just a request to visit your site. It's not a special guideline for you or for this particular thread, but for everyone on the site. If we allowed people to repeatedly promote their own sites, the forum would be inundated with spam.

[ryandk]

I just saw a Toyota dealership commercial on Detroit's ABC station advertising a lifetime warranty with all new Toyotas. Are Toyota dealerships across the US offering this lifetime warranty? Is the warranty valid on cars we export from the US?

[mangoman]

I think this "lifetime warranty" is probably a limited powertrain warranty and is more than likely only available through the dealership in terms of getting things repaired. Check to see if you can find a website for that dealer and I'm sure there will be more details on it.

Standard factory and extended warranties on Toyotas (not private 3rd party ones which may or may not be transferable) are valid up here.

I just saw a Toyota dealership commercial on Detroit's ABC station advertising a lifetime warranty with all new Toyotas. Are Toyota dealerships across the US offering this lifetime warranty? Is the warranty valid on cars we export from the US?

[Anonymouse]

+1 on the excellent and fair moderation policy. I don't think these people are adding any value beyond what's written here, but let them put a small link in their signature if they want.

[Nitrate]

I was the one that deleted your recent Audi post (and the repost). And Ryan deleted the more blatant promotional post. You're of course welcome to contribute to RFD, but just tone it down with the link dropping... you seem to do it in just about every one of your posts here.

What you can do instead is to add a link to your site in your signature, and then the posts you make should have good useful content instead of just a request to visit your site. It's not a special guideline for you or for this particular thread, but for everyone on the site. If we allowed people to repeatedly promote their own sites, the forum would be inundated with spam.
Totally agree. Actually, his posts were bordering on spam (i.e. they always have the same or similar content with an invitation to visit his website), and I've been ignoring any post on this thread with his name on it for quite sometime now. I may sound harsh, but it is what it is.

[scrolllock]

I was the one that deleted your recent Audi post (and the repost). And Ryan deleted the more blatant promotional post. You're of course welcome to contribute to RFD, but just tone it down with the link dropping... you seem to do it in just about every one of your posts here.

What you can do instead is to add a link to your site in your signature, and then the posts you make should have good useful content instead of just a request to visit your site. It's not a special guideline for you or for this particular thread, but for everyone on the site. If we allowed people to repeatedly promote their own sites, the forum would be inundated with spam.

Rehan, Thanks for your timely reply. I don't agree with the position you have taken.

I don't think you folks are looking at the big picture and you should consider changing this rule. Allowing people to put their link in their signature seems to me to be just a work around; if you are applying this rule to everyone else then so be it.

When in your house we will follow your rules when and if we post on your site.

I hope you do not delete the very first post on this site, posted by Mr. Magott in order to conform to the rules, he has links there promoting a site, with the intention of educating Canadians, no different than ours...

[mplsv]

I was the one that deleted your recent Audi post (and the repost). And Ryan deleted the more blatant promotional post. You're of course welcome to contribute to RFD, but just tone it down with the link dropping... you seem to do it in just about every one of your posts here.

What you can do instead is to add a link to your site in your signature, and then the posts you make should have good useful content instead of just a request to visit your site. It's not a special guideline for you or for this particular thread, but for everyone on the site. If we allowed people to repeatedly promote their own sites, the forum would be inundated with spam.

I don't recall any clear instructions to avoid "link dropping" directed at the offender. Rules are necessary and appropriate but to delete posts without a clear explanation ... forgive me if I missed the explanation(s) ... is bordering on authoritarianism.

[scrolllock]

:cheesygri A new list has been updated on the RIV web site today. We must congratulate Transport Canada and The RIV. Now all changes on the list appear to be colored in red. This is a significant achievement that we have been asking for 6 months.

We will continue to run the "differences" report as we have been for the last few months, but just as an audit check on the procedure.

I will not post the link to our site, as per forum rules, but it is in my signature, as per forum rules :cheesygri

[tdotboys]

Hi everyone,this thread been a great help and i am confident of buying car from states.I have located a car in pennsylvania (PRIVATE SALE), talked to my auto insurance guys and they willing to offer me insurance if i buy from states with the condition that i must register car in canada within 20 days after crossing.

My next concern the procedure for obtaining Temporary Tags from pennsylvania as will be driving my car to toronto. I am aware that i have to courier DMV TITLE 72 hours proior crossing the border.

So if someone who bought car ( Private ) He or She must have gone thru the procedure of getting Tags from Ministry of transportation in usa, even a little bit of info will be very helpful.Please do post your views.

Thanks for reading

[mmhassa2]

Has anyone purchased a Lexus RX 350 from the states? Somewhere close to Niagara falls? Would you mind sharing how much it cost you in total? With taxes, fees etc.???

[scrolllock]

Hi everyone,this thread been a great help and i am confident of buying car from states.I have located a car in pennsylvania (PRIVATE SALE), talked to my auto insurance guys and they willing to offer me insurance if i buy from states with the condition that i must register car in canada within 20 days after crossing.

My next concern the procedure for obtaining Temporary Tags from pennsylvania as will be driving my car to toronto. I am aware that i have to courier DMV TITLE 72 hours proior crossing the border.

So if someone who bought car ( Private ) He or She must have gone thru the procedure of getting Tags from Ministry of transportation in usa, even a little bit of info will be very helpful.Please do post your views.

Thanks for reading

http://www.dmv.state.pa.us/forms/motorVehicleForms.shtml .. you might want to call them...

[Monsieurmaggot]

Has anyone purchased a Lexus RX 350 from the states? Somewhere close to Niagara falls? Would you mind sharing how much it cost you in total? With taxes, fees etc.???

If you find someone who will sell Lexus to Canadians, PM me too.

I know someone who's looking for one.

They're going in the mid-30s Canadian in the US.

[Pyro]

is it worthwhile to import lower end cars from the US
ie: Honda Civic/Accord, Toyota Matrix/Corrola, Mazda 3 or cars on the similar end?
Thanks!

[leseuldaniel]

I would say yes, except maybe for the stripped down basic models for which the difference is not that much, or those hit with the 6.1% duty. I even consider buying in the US even if it's only 500-$ cheaper, just to avoid buying from canadian companies...

[sienna owner]

Lexus of Manhattan ....

easiest ever!!!

If you find someone who will sell Lexus to Canadians, PM me too.

I know someone who's looking for one.

They're going in the mid-30s Canadian in the US.

maybe not be as close as, but willing to sell nonetheless

[westherr]

Can I get a friend who has a USA (Florida) driver's lic to buy a Subaru Tribeca in the USA (with all discounts that is available to USA drivers) and then have him 'sale' it to me?

And if 'yes', how does it work?

Please advise, thanks!!

[scrolllock]

maybe not be as close as, but willing to sell nonetheless

Lexus of Manhattan is a great place, but Roger the Sales Manager states that they only sell pre-owned to Canadians.

I think,.... If you have a relative or friend with a US address, then they will sell, but then you will have to pay to plate it, wait for the transfer of ownership etc...

I am told Some folks that own companies in the US have it made.

Most Canadian brokers work that way... they set up a company in a state in the US. And off they go.

A individual hard working Canadian will have a hard time finding a new Lexus or Honda. Please pm me if you have found a Canadian friendly U.S. dealer...

Maybe they want to operate in a cloak of mystery, because "big" brother is watching them!

One chap told me he would rent me a flat in his cousins apartment complex for 6 months for $300.00, then he could sell to me.


Everyone wants to make it tough for the average Canadian.

But give the U.S. economy another 6 months to wipe out a few more banks and I am sure many will want to sell new to you.

But by that time, you will get better value for your money buying a used one that the owner couldn't keep up the payments on...

Didn't I see yesterday that the housing market is so bad in some parts of the U.S. that some houses couldn't be sold for $5,000.

[letitbe1973]

maybe not be as close as, but willing to sell nonetheless

I sent online purchase inquiry to lexux of manhattan a couple of days ago. Haven't heard anything from them. Should I email or phone a specific dealer who knows how to do the export?

[CanAm]

Anyone know what happened to http://www.ataleoftwoprices.com/

They were a good resource.

[scrolllock]

Anyone know what happened to http://www.ataleoftwoprices.com/

They were a good resource.


Yes, His web domain expired, and we have been trying to make contact with the owner.

The site was carrying some incorrect information at times, so we guess the fellow just decided to call it quits.

A few of our members are encouraging us to ask the owner if we could take over and maintain it for him.

We have asked a couple of web designers to take a look.

If you know of anyone that is pretty skilled at this and wants to help the cause for all Canadians, please have them contact the undersigned.

Further note: Maybe the Moderator here deleted him and didn't tell anyone!

[shopper-X]

...
But give the U.S. economy another 6 months to wipe out a few more banks and I am sure many will want to sell new to you.

But by that time, you will get better value for your money buying a used one that the owner couldn't keep up the payments on...

Didn't I see yesterday that the housing market is so bad in some parts of the U.S. that some houses couldn't be sold for $5,000.

On the note of bad US economy "Chrysler to exit leasing business (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080725.wchrysler0725/BNStory/Business)"


Chrysler LLC's financial arm Friday said it would stop offering vehicle leases to U.S. consumers, a sharp break in strategy in response to plunging resale prices for gas-guzzling trucks and tighter credit.

[Justin]

I am flying to Las Vegas next week and was planning to buy a vehicle down there to drive back. I do not plan on keeping the vehicle. I just want to buy something that I can use while down in the states and then sell when I return and make some moeny.

I was thinking something in the $15,000 - $25,000 range. Any suggestions on which vehicles I could easily sell for the greatest profit after all importing costs are considered? I know some vehicles cost more to get registered due to required modifications or recall letters, etc. Vehicle type does not matter. Would a slightly used vehicle be best since I plan to sell it?

Thanks

[sienna owner]

I sent online purchase inquiry to lexux of manhattan a couple of days ago. Haven't heard anything from them. Should I email or phone a specific dealer who knows how to do the export?

i would give them a call...with "big brother" watching everything, they may be avoiding answering you online/email, etc....they may even give you a cell number in case their phone calls are taped...but that would be a bit extreme...as for them requiring a US address...i've read many post where ppl are using out of state addresses and avoiding to pay taxes...i wasn't one of them...

[sienna owner]

I am flying to Las Vegas next week and was planning to buy a vehicle down there to drive back. I do not plan on keeping the vehicle. I just want to buy something that I can use while down in the states and then sell when I return and make some moeny.

I was thinking something in the $15,000 - $25,000 range. Any suggestions on which vehicles I could easily sell for the greatest profit after all importing costs are considered? I know some vehicles cost more to get registered due to required modifications or recall letters, etc. Vehicle type does not matter. Would a slightly used vehicle be best since I plan to sell it?

Thanks

you may be better off finding a buyer before you risk importing and having to hold on to the vehicle...unless you dn't mind that..
as for best vehicle..depends what the market bears doesn't it?

[Monsieurmaggot]

That's one real purdy banner under your name ... you are now officially decorated.

Yes it is isn't it?

Came up automatically.

Thanks to everyone who voted this thread the most helpful of 2008.

[Justin]

you may be better off finding a buyer before you risk importing and having to hold on to the vehicle...unless you dn't mind that..
as for best vehicle..depends what the market bears doesn't it?


Having to hold a vehicle for a little while is not really a concern. I realize that it depends on what kind of a deal i can find, but I would just like a general idea of which vehicles are normally much cheaper in the US within my price range.

[Justin]

I am flying to Las Vegas next week and was planning to buy a vehicle down there to drive back. I do not plan on keeping the vehicle. I just want to buy something that I can use while down in the states and then sell when I return and make some moeny.

I was thinking something in the $15,000 - $25,000 range. Any suggestions on which vehicles I could easily sell for the greatest profit after all importing costs are considered? I know some vehicles cost more to get registered due to required modifications or recall letters, etc. Vehicle type does not matter. Would a slightly used vehicle be best since I plan to sell it?

Thanks

Any suggestions?

[Nitrate]

Any suggestions?
Check the "Wall of Savers" in www.carburner.com. This list will give you an idea how much people paid and how much they saved on the vehicles they purchased. My own import experience saved me $10K on a $25K Toyota Sienna. I bought at invoice price since I used a US broker to get it from a dealer but if you're a US resident (temp or otherwise), you can negotiate directly with the dealer for a price well below invoice, saving you even more.

Since your aim is to make a profit in the end, be aware of models with: warranty issues (specifically those where warranty is voided upon import)
6.1% duty (i.e. not made in North America)
other other import costs like expensive dealer modifications to pass Canadian inspection


The criteria above limits your choices to a few brands. Good luck.

[deeplove]

Check the "Wall of Savers" in www.carburner.com. This list will give you an idea how much people paid and how much they saved on the vehicles they purchased. My own import experience saved me $10K on a $25K Toyota Sienna. I bought at invoice price since I used a US broker to get it from a dealer but if you're a US resident (temp or otherwise), you can negotiate directly with the dealer for a price well below invoice, saving you even more.

Since your aim is to make a profit in the end, be aware of models with: warranty issues (specifically those where warranty is voided upon import)
6.1% duty (i.e. not made in North America)
other other import costs like expensive dealer modifications to pass Canadian inspection


The criteria above limits your choices to a few brands. Good luck.

and which brands would they be?

[pocman]

A friend is looking to purchase a new Chev Impala SS. I am trying to locate Canadian friendly US delaers in the midwest/northwest US. Please PM me if you are aware of any. Thanks....

[Nitrate]

and which brands would they be?Sorry, my friend, the answer is not that easy. You'd have to do your own research, tons of research. The thing is, most folks here already have a brand and a particular model in mind when they decide to import, and they do their research on that one model, or post questions on this forum. Most do not care beyond the model they're targetting. For example, I did my own painstaking research on the Toyota Sienna LE. I know it's made in the USA (no 6.1% duty), I know its warranty is valid in Canada, and I know there are no modifications required to pass inspection. Beyond the Sienna, I know very little.

The original poster (OP) does not care about brand or model, only that it would net him the most profit on a buy-in-US-and-sell-in-Canada scheme (within his specified budget).

However, there's lots of help on the Internet. For the OP, he can start with this website: http://www.apa.ca/template.asp?DocID=253 for the warranty on diff brands.

For which models are made in North America, a quick Google yielded this website: http://www.leoidea.com/2007/12/01/heres-the-list-of-cars-made-in-the-usa-by-import-manufacturers/. But I don't know how accurate that data is.

That's just a quick 2-minute lookup. You can do your own research from here. It's not hard to do, but don't expect easy answers at the outset.

[m4gician]

This thread should be stickied, german cars are still a bargain. In absolute terms, it is cheaper, if you do however have a high billing rate, then the time used may make you slightly indifferent as it may be observed as a transaction cost or spread.

[deeplove]

Sorry, my friend, the answer is not that easy. You'd have to do your own research, tons of research. The thing is, most folks here already have a brand and a particular model in mind when they decide to import, and they do their research on that one model, or post questions on this forum. Most do not care beyond the model they're targetting. For example, I did my own painstaking research on the Toyota Sienna LE. I know it's made in the USA (no 6.1% duty), I know its warranty is valid in Canada, and I know there are no modifications required to pass inspection. Beyond the Sienna, I know very little.

The original poster (OP) does not care about brand or model, only that it would net him the most profit on a buy-in-US-and-sell-in-Canada scheme (within his specified budget).

However, there's lots of help on the Internet. For the OP, he can start with this website: http://www.apa.ca/template.asp?DocID=253 for the warranty on diff brands.

For which models are made in North America, a quick Google yielded this website: http://www.leoidea.com/2007/12/01/heres-the-list-of-cars-made-in-the-usa-by-import-manufacturers/. But I don't know how accurate that data is.

That's just a quick 2-minute lookup. You can do your own research from here. It's not hard to do, but don't expect easy answers at the outset.

okay, I understand. Just thought it wouldn't hurt to try :lol:
I guess I'll take a look at Mazda and Nissan in particular.
BTW, thanks for the two links.


Edit: no warranty cov. for nissan in Canada. boo..but on carburner.com, it says that there IS coverage for Nissan cars in Canada :confused:

[Nitrate]

Edit: no warranty cov. for nissan in Canada. boo..but on carburner.com, it says that there IS coverage for Nissan cars in Canada :confused:Read past posts within this thread (I know it's humongous now but you know it's worth it...). Other people have tried to explain the way Nissan's warranty works. I wasn't interested in a Nissan so I didn't pay particular attention, but the info you need is in this thread.

[scrolllock]

Read past posts within this thread (I know it's humongous now but you know it's worth it...). Other people have tried to explain the way Nissan's warranty works. I wasn't interested in a Nissan so I didn't pay particular attention, but the info you need is in this thread.

:idea: :idea: You can listen to Nitrate or simply call Nissan Canada
1-800-387-0122
5290 Orbitor Drive, Mississauga, ON L4W 4Z5

You will find that The car must be registered in the US for a minimum of one day, and must not be resold for six months!

If you worry about warranty and repairs stick to those that honor the warranty, the APA List is the most upto date www.apa.ca and contains the phone number where you can call and get it right from the horses mouth.

or you can stick to Nitrate's advice and spend hours cruising this thread... you will learn alot and maybe it will be true! :cheesygri

[diigii]

My sister and bro-in-law are now looking to buy a Nissan Murano in the US. And guess where I'm going to take them so they can save at least CAD$15K. I've already done preliminary check on the models and the base models have CAD$13K difference already. I am now a repeat importer and it should be a breeze for me.

Monsieurmaggot, no more "butterflies" approaching the border with the car! :cheesygri

[Nitrate]

or you can stick to Nitrate's advice and spend hours cruising this thread... you will learn alot and maybe it will be true! :cheesygriHaven't you heard of the SEARCH function? You spammer you...

In the grand scheme of things, it's not much, but through emails, PM's and a few phone calls, my "advice" has actually helped at least 3 people import their Siennas and save thousands. Two of them are members of this board.

I understand where your comments are coming from though. Your wrist has been slapped by the moderators and you must be feeling a little bitter. Sorry about that.

[scrolllock]

Haven't you heard of the SEARCH function? You spammer you...

In the grand scheme of things, it's not much, but through emails, PM's and a few phone calls, my "advice" has actually helped at least 3 people import their Siennas and save thousands. Two of them are members of this board.

I understand where your comments are coming from though. Your wrist has been slapped by the moderators and you must be feeling a little bitter. Sorry about that.

Hey Nitrate good advice about the search features. If you put in Nissan and warranty you get 13 pages of posts... the most recent tell a good story.

- But with all the money someone is putting down, how can you not recommend phoning Nissan directly to get the latest story?

Congratulations on helping 3 other Canadians since you have been a member.

I am not bitter about the moderator thing, he just demonstrated to most people using this thread how authoritarian he is and how ridiculous the rules are.

"It is ok to put links in your signature but not within the body of the post"

Arbitrarily deleting someone's post without explanation or not giving the individual a chance to change the post doesn't seem fair. The PM feature is very useful and should be used appropriately.

Have a good day!

[HondaSucks]

Hey Nitrate, you are raising some good points.

But you don't come across as a credible individual by insulting members of this thread.

Especially those, that admit they were wrong and are now following the rules!

[Justin]

Anyone have an opinion on how hard a Toyota Solara would be to sell in Canada? Seems to be a large difference in price between Canada and US on this vehicle.

[shopper-X]

Anyone have an opinion on how hard a Toyota Solara would be to sell in Canada? Seems to be a large difference in price between Canada and US on this vehicle.

Go to a few used car dealers in your area and ask what are the hot selling vehicles and the average selling price is. Anyone here can tell you to buy whatever and it may not sell as quick as you want or for what you want as you're looking to make a profit.

Once you have the hot models and selling prices start researching the US new/used market for them and choose the one that will net you the most profit or the one that gives you the most room to adjust the selling price.

Good Luck.

[ryandk]

Hi --

I'm wondering if anyone has bought a new Toyota directly from a dealer for less than MRSP on the west coast.

The dealer I've spoken to is willing to sell, but only at full MSRP.

I'd really appreciate any advice or the name of a salesperson you could recommend I talk to.

Thanks!

[rjmbc]

I am aware of one in Oregon that will work with you. PM me.

[irish80ca]

Hi guys.

Been a while since I was on this thread and wow has it jumped up! 1000+ pages!!!

So, I'm set on buying a 2008 Toyota RAV 4.

Can anyone give me advice on trying to bring one across at Niagara Falls?

Is there anyway to get around paying taxes for the vehicle in both the USA and Canada?

I'll be purchasing in Florida since my dad owns a place down there and if I need an address to register to then I'll have it.

As for negotiating with Toyota, can it be done? I've been to a few dealerships up here and they won't budge on the price, period.

What kind of discount can I expect off the invoice price in the states?

I read somewhere on here about needing an engine emmobilizer and day time running lights. Looks like I can add these options to the RAV4...... if it is infact needed.

[desitarzan]

Currently I am searching for Sienna models apprently 19600 including rebates , wondering if some one know dealer than can sale to Canadian and also honour rebates if any.

Thnx

[johnsa]

My sister and bro-in-law are now looking to buy a Nissan Murano in the US. And guess where I'm going to take them so they can save at least CAD$15K. I've already done preliminary check on the models and the base models have CAD$13K difference already. I am now a repeat importer and it should be a breeze for me.

Monsieurmaggot, no more "butterflies" approaching the border with the car! :cheesygri


Butterflies approaching the border???The only feeling I had approaching the border with my Maxima last summer was the extreme shame of not having 5 more vehicles to import at the same time!:D

[Gabriel Kish]

I just called and checked. It's true. This could open up a huge hole for Canadian customers. While we haven't had a problem selling Jaguars to across the border tax free, we never knew how to lease to them.

GKish
gkish@jaguarofnovi.com


Update: Lease line has been in business for 20yrs, leasing heavy equipment. They started doing cars 1 yr ago, and will lease new and used. They are for real!

I was looking thru Ebay Motors for a next to new Lexus and came across a listing from a Lexus dealer in Akron Ohio welcoming Canadian customers!!!

He is offering a lease option for (and I quote) "our valued Canadian customers".

Upon checking further the lease company this dealer is using is; Leaseline Equipment and Vehicle Leasing, #100 1751 Harvey Avenue, Kelowna, British Columbia, V1Y 6G4 Phone 1-800-288-7875. Web site www.leaseline.com

If Leaseline will lease a USA purchased Lexus I'll bet they will lease other brands as well. Worth a call if you want to lease and the car is in the States.

[scrolllock]

So we thought that the RIV and Transport Canada had fixed up the RIV lists and were now reporting the changes in RED in the document...

Think again!

If you want the whole story and to find out what the differences are; you will have to go to our web site noted below.

Or you can go to the RIV site and muddle! www.riv.ca

If you want to consider this spam so be it!

[Matty]

I just came back from a sour experience at the only Honda dealer in Whitby/Oshawa, Ont.

I decided I might as well try the 2009 Pilot, and give them a chance to bid on a Touring, just to see if they could keep me in the country. It appears they only have 2 in stock. The one that was in the showroom had no power/key, and the seats were in the most awkward full forward and upright position (likely to discourage potential buyers sitting there too long!). A salesman asked if I needed help so I asked him to plz get a key or reconnect the battery to move the seats.

"No" was his answer.

Not "No, we don't have a battery" or "Sorry, no I can't". Just a single, rude "No" as he stared at me, annoyed (?!). I felt completely disrespected.

I then asked to test drive one, and he said "the tester, a Touring, is out, so I'll get a 2008 ready for you". If you know Pilots, you know the 09 is a complete redesign, and trying an 08 -- even suggesting I try it-- is downright foolish!

I walked out, and decided then and there that I'll never buy anything from that dealer, knowing 1- they don't care about possible new car buyers, and 2- I'll likely get a better deal in the US anyway!

[garvard]

For those exporting vehicle through Lewiston Bridge - They have a phone message stating that requirement is to fax title 72 hours in advance.

I called phone number to find out about requirements.
Phone: 1-716-282-1500
Press 3 to get Vehile export office.
Then new menu:
Press 1 to get vehile export requirements. Result (something, please call yourself for exact wording):
Fax a copy of the title, rewrite VIN on the copy of the title with the marker. It should be legible (I believe that means readable).
Wait 72 hours, original title and car should be at the moment of export
Press 2 to get fax number. Result: 1-716-285-3565
Press 3 to get hours of operation. Result: Monday-Friday 8am to 4pm
Press 4 for location. Result: Lewiston bridge warehouse.
Press 5 to get Canadian something number.
Press 6 to leave message with VIN number and call back number.


Anyone can share again how to find office, as if I remember correctly it could be quite hard to find.

Here (http://www.ucanimport.com/Border_Crossing_Info.aspx) I found the following information:
Lewiston Bridge
Location Queenston, Ontario & Lewiston Bridge (Buffalo), New York
Export Hours Monday to Friday, 8am to 4pm
Telephone (716) 282.1500
Fax (716) 285.3565
E-Mail N/A
Web Site Click here
Address Vehicle Export Control, 726 Exchange Street, Suite 400, Buffalo, NY 14210
Instructions Submit fax copy of Title or MSO (Manufacturer's Statement of Origin) and Bill of Sale, together with Vehicle Export Worksheet (click here (http://www.ucanimport.com/docs/CBPGeneralVehicleExportWorksheet.pdf) to download) 72 hours in advance (three working days) of your crossing. Partial submissions are not allowed.
After you have faxed the documents through, you can telephone the Export Office at the above number to speak to a CBP officer and confirm that all was received in order. Confirm the date of crossing and make sure you record the officer's name for future reference if required."_____
My questions are:
1. Should I sent documents exactly 72 hours before importing a car or at least 72 hours before importing?
2. Do I need to send Vehicle Export Worksheet too or just a title, Bill of Sale and Recall letter?

[mangoman]

At least 72 hrs beforehand (you don't want to get stuck there waiting because somebody didn't get around to collecting the faxes off the machine until 2hrs after it arrived to timestamp it as "received").

Include the Vehicle Worksheet if that's what that particular office is now requesting (especially since it says "partial" submissions are not permitted).

The recall letter is meant for the Cdn side (RIV) - no need to give this to US customs.

Good luck with your import! :)

<snip>
My questions are:
1. Should I sent documents exactly 72 hours before importing a car or at least 72 hours before importing?
2. Do I need to send Vehicle Export Worksheet too or just a title, Bill of Sale and Recall letter?

[zircon]

So we thought that the RIV and Transport Canada had fixed up the RIV lists and were now reporting the changes in RED in the document...

Think again!

If you want the whole story and to find out what the differences are; you will have to go to our web site noted below.

Or you can go to the RIV site and muddle! www.riv.ca

If you want to consider this spam so be it!

I agree this is spam. In fact, I think the moderator has been very patient with you as you're attempting to hijack a site you don't own.

That aside, I just brought a used 08 Audi TT across. US Customs guy was brutally rude, but the 20K savings made it worthwhile.

[yana]

thanks all for all this info. The amount of $ RFDer's saved just prove the "power of collective intelligence."

my question is: based on my **aproximate** calculations below: do you guys see this as a good deal? are there any mistakes/ suggestions to the calculations?


We are looking at 2009 Subaru Tribeca. MSRP here in CANADA is 46K + tax around 50K CDN. With 0% financing over 72 month, I should be paying $690 a month. Yes, the sales agent told me (and I hope he sticks to it) 0% for 72 month.

Here is my approximate calculations for importing it from the US:

MSRP Paid After Exchange: $32,300
Duty Paid: $0.00 duty rate of 0% (manufacture in US ...VIN starts with 4)
GST Paid: $1,600 Canadian GST is 5%
PST Paid: $1,600 Sask PST rate of 5%
Air Conditioning Tax $100.00
RIV Fee: $204.75

Shipping from Ontario to SK around a $1000
Other travel cost around $600

subtotal: $37, 400

*** interest: 25 K * 4.75 * 5 years around $5500 (a secured line of credit with 4.75 % interest; BTW what do u think of this rate)

a total of around 43 K CDN to import, a saving of 7k canadian.
Thanks

[kazoober]

I picked up a 2008 Mazda MX-5 Miata PRHT (power retractable hard top) in Dallas with only 1500 miles for $25,000. It was a breeze bringing the car back to AB. Customs automatically deducted my $750 duty exemption from the 6.1% duty payable. I saved well over $10,000 and that included all my expenses to fly to dallas, hotels, gas, food, etc.

The car is gorgeous! I look forward to driving it every day, especially now that summer is here and the top goes down!

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b242/kazoobers/miata013Medium.jpg

[LoveRFD]

thanks all for all this info. The amount of $ RFDer's saved just prove the "power of collective intelligence."

my question is: based on my **aproximate** calculations below: do you guys see this as a good deal? are there any mistakes/ suggestions to the calculations?


We are looking at 2009 Subaru Tribeca. MSRP here in CANADA is 46K + tax around 50K CDN. With 0% financing over 72 month, I should be paying $690 a month. Yes, the sales agent told me (and I hope he sticks to it) 0% for 72 month.

Here is my approximate calculations for importing it from the US:

MSRP Paid After Exchange: $32,300
Duty Paid: $0.00 duty rate of 0% (manufacture in US ...VIN starts with 4)
GST Paid: $1,600 Canadian GST is 5%
PST Paid: $1,600 Sask PST rate of 5%
Air Conditioning Tax $100.00
RIV Fee: $204.75

Shipping from Ontario to SK around a $1000
Other travel cost around $600

subtotal: $37, 400

*** interest: 25 K * 4.75 * 5 years around $5500 (a secured line of credit with 4.75 % interest; BTW what do u think of this rate)

a total of around 43 K CDN to import, a saving of 7k canadian.
Thanks


First, in US you buy below MSRP so the price should be cheaper than $32300. Go to www.buildyourownsubaru.com or www.emunds.com to check the real price.

Second, rate for secured LOC won't stay at 4.75, it might go up soon so your interest will be higher too. Some credit card companies offer very low introduction rate you can take advantage of that.

[shopper-X]

thanks all for all this info. The amount of $ RFDer's saved just prove the "power of collective intelligence."

my question is: based on my **aproximate** calculations below: do you guys see this as a good deal? are there any mistakes/ suggestions to the calculations?


We are looking at 2009 Subaru Tribeca. MSRP here in CANADA is 46K + tax around 50K CDN. With 0% financing over 72 month, I should be paying $690 a month. Yes, the sales agent told me (and I hope he sticks to it) 0% for 72 month.

Here is my approximate calculations for importing it from the US:

MSRP Paid After Exchange: $32,300
Duty Paid: $0.00 duty rate of 0% (manufacture in US ...VIN starts with 4)
GST Paid: $1,600 Canadian GST is 5%
PST Paid: $1,600 Sask PST rate of 5%
Air Conditioning Tax $100.00
RIV Fee: $204.75

Shipping from Ontario to SK around a $1000
Other travel cost around $600

subtotal: $37, 400

*** interest: 25 K * 4.75 * 5 years around $5500 (a secured line of credit with 4.75 % interest; BTW what do u think of this rate)

a total of around 43 K CDN to import, a saving of 7k canadian.
Thanks

If your in SK, have you tried Grand Forks or Bismark in North Dakota?
You could save a bunch on shipping and travel expenses.

[baboo]

Wow, this thread has grown so much since the last time I checked. Just wondering that has anyone here imported an EVO yet? Now that the bumper rule is out of the way....

What's your experience like? How easy is it to get the recall letter?

Thanks!

[Gabriel Kish]

Does anyone have info about the states that do not charge out of country buyers sales tax? I know that Washington and Colorado do not charge auto purchase sales tax to Canadians.

Thanks


I love to say just Michigan to sell you a car but I believe the truth is all States. You just can't drive off the lot. It has to be transported across the border to avoid State taxes. At least that's how we do it here.

www.ggabrielkish@hotmail.com

[Gabriel Kish]

Yes, it's true that the act of importing the car into Canada voids the factory warranty, unless you can claim that you were domiciled in the US and then moved to Canada.

I think the decision of buying in Canada versus the US depends on one's tolerance for risk. If you think about it, buying in Canada amounts to paying thousands (potentially 7-8 at a guess on an MDX) for a warranty that will cover the potentiality of a problem. Buying in the States, you don't get the warranty but you do save that money which could be used to fix any problems that might arise. You can do an awful lot of work on a car for that kind of money, and Hondas/Acuras are not known for their unreliability so the odds are in your favour.

If you want coverage, there are third party warranty companies you can buy it from. If you go this route, you have to be careful from whom you buy; some warranty companies disappear and take your premiums with them. Unfortunately the most reputable company, Lubrico, will not warranty privately imported vehicles.


Jaguar honors all warranties on new and pre owned cars for U.S. cars brought into Canada. There is no difference in coverage. 0 deducable, free loaner cars, roadside assistance, they even pay for room and board if you break down if your on vacation or a work trip. Very smooth process getting U.S. Jaguars into Canada. We honor A/Z plan pricing if it applies to the car. Currently Super XF's do not have A plan pricing, the luxury and premium luxury models do

Gary
ggabrielkish@hotmail.com

[rischa]

Hello,

I'm planning on buying the accord coupe ex 2008 and would like to import this car from the usa.

I was wondering if this was a good idea.

I believe there was no duties that I would have to pay on this car.

Also, I was wondering about the modification requirements costs?

[johnsa]

Do some research on pricing, but considering you will have no warranty on the car in Canada, it may not be worth doing..If you are only going to save a few thousand dollars after ALL of your costs, I would not do it. If you can save 5k+ which I doubt you would on this car, then I would consider it...

[inspire]

Hello,

I'm planning on buying the accord coupe ex 2008 and would like to import this car from the usa.

I was wondering if this was a good idea.
I believe there was no duties that I would have to pay on this car.

Also, I was wondering about the modification requirements costs?

1) Accord is built in Ohio ... so no 6.1% import duty. However, some of the original cars were assembled in Japan and shipped to the US. To be 100% sure, ask for the VIN for that vehicle ... if it starts with a "1" or "2", it's built in North America (can't remember which is Canada and which one is US, but I think 1 = US and 2 = Canada since the US thinks they are #1 in everything ... :D ) If the VIN starts with a "J" then it was assembled in Japan and will be taxed 6.1% import duty.

2) Maybe not a great idea ... no transferrable warranty and it's a 1st year model, so there may be some small glitches that you would have to pay out of pocket. I would say wait until 2009 model year (if you must have a "new" car) or find a slightly used 2007 (if you don't mind having the previous model) for a real discount.

3) Modification costs -- probably daytime running lights ($100 at Canadian Tire to do) and nothing else.

[houstondallas]

I've been looking to import a new Mazda, but all of the dealers I've contacted will not sell to Canadians. Does anyone know of a Mazda dealer that is willing to sell to Canadians?

houston

[Kamloops]

Ok , here it is straight from ICBC

The binder is valid throughout Canada and the USA, but it does not include a point-A-to-B permit. In order to license the vehicle, you will need to get licence plates or a permit from the state in which the vehicle is currently located. You should check the licensing requirements with each jurisdiction through which you travel on your way back to BC to find out whether you would need plates or a permit from them in order to license the vehicle while it is traveling through their jurisdiction.

BC will honor a permit issued by another jurisdiction, unless the permit states restrictions that it is only valid in the jurisdiction where it was issued. If the out-of-province permit states such restrictions, you must obtain a BC Temporary Operation Permit (http://www.icbc.com/Glossary/def_top.asp), for inspection purposes, in order to operate the vehicle in BC. The restrictions on this Permit are outlined below.

However, if the out-of-province permit does not state such restrictions, the permit may be used to bring the vehicle to its BC destination.

An out-of-province permit is valid for either a period of time or a destination, depending on the conditions outlined on the permit by the issuing jurisdiction. Either the expiry date or location of the destination will be noted on the permit.

If the out-of-province permit is not restricted to a destination, but has an expiry date, you may operate the vehicle licensed by the out-of-province permit with the insurance provided by the binder until one of the following occurs:
the out-of-province permit expires, or the binder expires
If the out-of-province permit is restricted to a destination, it is void once the destination is reached.

Once the out-of-province permit has expired or is no longer valid, and you need to move the vehicle again for the purpose of registration and licensing it in BC, you may take out a one-day Temporary Operation Permit, for inspection purposes, in order to license the vehicle while it is in BC.

This type of Permit can be issued in accordance with Section 14.04 of the BC Motor Vehicle Act Regulations (http://www.qp.gov.bc.ca/statreg/reg/...m#section14.04) to license and insure the vehicle before it is registered in BC. This Permit would allow the vehicle to be driven to:
a federal inspection facility, if required a Designated Inspection Facility for:

provincial pre–registration inspection, and repair, if required, and immediately to an Autoplan broker's office for inspection of the Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) and registration

This Permit would be effective for one calendar day only, but no licence fee would be charged. If the vehicle is kept for repairs for more than one day, another Permit would have to be issued, once the vehicle is repaired, to move the vehicle from the garage or repair facility to an inspection facility or an Autoplan broker's office.

Provided that your binder is still valid, there would be no charge for such a Permit.

Please let me know if you have any further questions.


Customer Contact
ICBC

[rischa]

Do some research on pricing, but considering you will have no warranty on the car in Canada, it may not be worth doing..If you are only going to save a few thousand dollars after ALL of your costs, I would not do it. If you can save 5k+ which I doubt you would on this car, then I would consider it...

MSRP:

Canada: $29,190

USA: $22,660

I would save alot but I could risk it with no warranty :(

[johnsa]

MSRP:

Canada: $29,190

USA: $22,660

I would save alot but I could risk it with no warranty :(

That is a tough call...if you factor in about $1k +/- for RIV fee/cost to ship or get the car home, your savings are a bit over 5K...and I do really love the new accord..good luck!

[CheapScotsman]

MSRP:

Canada: $29,190

USA: $22,660

I would save alot but I could risk it with no warranty :(

So, after GST/PST roughly

Canada: $32692

US: $26379 (including $1000 allowance for RIV, transport, etc)

is a savings of over $6300

Now it is up to you if you want to "risk" that you will have $6300 in warranty claims

Find the post by Nitrate who references his US based broker ... who can probably get your the car for around US invoice.

[ottofly]

[QUOTE=kazoober;7171852]I picked up a 2008 Mazda MX-5 Miata PRHT (power retractable hard top) in Dallas with only 1500 miles for $25,000. It was a breeze bringing the car back to AB. Customs automatically deducted my $750 duty exemption from the 6.1% duty payable. I saved well over $10,000 and that included all my expenses to fly to dallas, hotels, gas, food, etc.

The car is gorgeous! I look forward to driving it every day, especially now that summer is here and the top goes down!

Congrats! Great car.

Did you buy the car privately or from a dealer?

Will Mazda honour the warranty here in Canada?

And what exactly is the $750 duty exemption?

Enjoy the car

[rjmbc]

I've been looking to import a new Mazda, but all of the dealers I've contacted will not sell to Canadians. Does anyone know of a Mazda dealer that is willing to sell to Canadians?

houston

I know of one in Oregon and possibly one in Montana. You can PM me if you want the information

[irish80ca]

Im getting quotes on a 2008 RAV4 right now however I don't want to pay the 6% sales tax in Florida if I don't have to.

Other than shipping the suv out of the state is there any other way around this???

If not, does anyone know of a Toyota dealership in New York or New Hampshire that would be willing to sell to a Canadian???

[mangoman]

means he was down in the U.S. for at least a week and is therefore exempted from duties by Canada Customs for $750 worth of goods.

[QUOTE=ottofly;

And what exactly is the $750 duty exemption?

Enjoy the car[/QUOTE]

[jnmontario]

Has anybody looked at bringing in an Escape Hybrid in the last few months? From what I can figure here, Edmunds is quoting the TMV for the Escape Hybrid as being $27,092. The same unit here in Canada, as near as I can estimate, is $30,700 or so. That's without any negotiating here in Canada. I assume I can likely knock a grand or so off of the vehicle without really working too hard, but let's assume that I can only bring the price down to $30,000.

That makes it $27100 (rounding) US
$ 30,000 CDN

While this is still $3k difference, with the eco-rebate that puts it to a $1k difference. Add in the RIV fee, as well as DRL mod and the hassle of finding a CDN-friendly US Ford dealer my question is......is it worth it. I know it sure was for my Prius back in Feb, but with the Ford I'm not convinced.

Any suggestions?

[Kamloops]

From Carburner = GMC - (Delayed Warranty Coverage) The owner of a new GM car imported from the U.S. must wait until the car is 6 months old or 12,000 km. before registering the warranty. It appears (this should be confirmed with GMC) that the 6 months begins at the 'in-service' date so a used vehicle more than 6 months old, would get immediate coverage in Canada.


I just called GMC and they told me you MUST meet both before warrenty kicks in, 6 months old and 12000KM

Sucks!

[donjuancarlos]

MSRP:

Canada: $29,190

USA: $22,660

I would save alot but I could risk it with no warranty :(

From a guy who drives a US LX-P, if you do your homework and do a good once over the car when you see it, there's no way you're going to have $6000 repairs before the warranty period expires.

I have driven 6500 miles so far in mine and I haven't spent a dime on maintenance (my oil is still at 40% life remaining). Also, you should be able to get a bit off of MSRP as well, since right now is 2008 clearance time for Honda.

I've had no problems per se, but the all the different plastics in the dash creak over bumps for the first few minutes of driving in the morning.

[ottofly]

means he was down in the U.S. for at least a week and is therefore exempted from duties by Canada Customs for $750 worth of goods.


Yes, thanks for that. For some reason, I had no idea that you can apply
this exemption to cars as well.

So then it's safe to assume anyone importing a non North American built car is allowed a $400 exemption, since you're there for 72 hours?

[kazoober]

Yes, thanks for that. For some reason, I had no idea that you can apply
this exemption to cars as well.

So then it's safe to assume anyone importing a non North American built car is allowed a $400 exemption, since you're there for 72 hours?

Yes that is correct. Also to answer you earlier question, I bought my MX-5 at a dealer. Also, in Texas you can drive the car off the lot. No state taxes payable and the dealer provided me with the in-transit plate that was good for three weeks.

[sergelbergeron]

[QUOTE=zircon;7171191]I agree this is spam. In fact, I think the moderator has been very patient with you as you're attempting to hijack a site you don't own.

Scrolllock is trying to advise readers who are thinking about buying a car that they can get a wealth of information by going to the CWB site. With the rise of the Can $ and all the non-tariff barriers placed by Car Manufacturers, consumers need all the information that they can get to help then make the decision. Should they buy in Canada, close to home - or should they do like thousands have done and go to the USA. It is a personal decision. The site in question (for which I am a co-founder) is there to help Canadians make their decision. At the same time, the site is an advocacy group site that is linking with the government and sending in petitions and reports on the regulations that need to be changed to provide fair pricing to Canadians. When there is a new RIV - this site has that information. If someone wants to research olders lists - the CWB site has that.

This RFD thread is great - just like the Edmunds thread - these sites have helped thousands of Canadians just as the CWB site is continously doing. But even 2 million views will not change the laws. There is a need to challenge the government, the RIV. Politicians react to petitions, news media and angry voters. They do not react to forums. We are all in this fight together in each our own ways.

If you are interested in the inside stories about car importing, about fair pricing, you can go to the CarsWithoutBorders site. We are not highjacking a site but are trying to help Canadians make a wise decision when buying their new cars.

[mangoman]

Only if you're actually going there for 72hrs or more (if you're setting up the deal and then having the docs sent to the border and the car shipped close to the border or dealing with a border state where you would just head down for the day a la Toronto/Buffalo then of course there is no exemption).

Yes, thanks for that. For some reason, I had no idea that you can apply
this exemption to cars as well.

So then it's safe to assume anyone importing a non North American built car is allowed a $400 exemption, since you're there for 72 hours?

[westherr]

Is there anyways for Canadians to take advantages of the US Subaru rebates and incentives that are offers to US customers, ie, 3500.00 dealer cash?

I have called a few US dealers and the answer was 'NO' :(

There are a few auto import brokers in Toronto that is offering 'deals'. Does this mean that they have found a way to get around Subaru of America's "All Incentives are not eligible for international sales"?

[perfchris]

I agree this is spam. In fact, I think the moderator has been very patient with you as you're attempting to hijack a site you don't own.

That aside, I just brought a used 08 Audi TT across. US Customs guy was brutally rude, but the 20K savings made it worthwhile.

With the new Transport Canada regulations, did you still have to change the front and rear bumpers ? Did the car have to go through an inspection at an Audi dealership ? Please elaborate as it was pretty complicated just a couple of months ago for a friend of mine to bring one in.....

[johnsa]

OK..I have been seeing new 2008 Corvettes selling for 38900 in the US. I am unable to locate a GM dealer that can sell to Canada..Can anyone PM me a GM dealer that they have confirmed will sell to Canadians..I just cannot pass this price up! The LS3!

[Monsieurmaggot]

Following the Chrysler US lead, GM Canada (deciding they can't really compete I guess) has announced that effective August 1st, they will no longer offer low lease rates across Canada instead looking to sell their vehicles outright. Actually it is GMAC who have stopped offering the low lease rates. Since GM no longer owns GMAC outright, are those folks just now realizing that GM's cars aren't necessarily a good value?

We're told publicly that apparently the used car market "due to external market conditions" has collapsed and the residual values of their cars are too low. Because of that, people choose to walk away since the car is worth less than than their buyout price.

Maybe it's to pay the 1,000 or so workers their $100,000 severances.

Jeese, could it be their cars were overprices to start or is it because the savvy Canadian consumer is going down south.

Here's the story:

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080729/GMAC_leasing_080729/20080729?hub=Canada

Now you know the reports will say the reason for the collapse was those unscrupulous consumers who bought their cars down south saving the initial $5k+ residual value.

Ha ha. Suits them right. Any wonder they're in trouble.

My advice, drop your car prices and regain some of the lost market.

Since the Japanese typically do the reverse of the "American Three" (are they eally still the "big three"?) you should expect low lease rates and additional incentives - perhaps US pricing... Not!

[jlam13]

Isn't it ironic that I imported a CAD made MDX back into Canada for less than what Acura is currently advertising their base model 'sale' price? I just completed the process for a 2008 (mf date April/08) MDX Sport with power tailgate and am very pleased with the car.

I'm posting this to say it can be done, even though Acura says to their dealers that they cannot sell to Canadians. And that Honda/Acura had better get their heads out of the clouds. Making over $1 billion profit last quarter on the backs of poor Canadians that buy Canadian priced cars while the same cars (made in Canada) are thousands cheaper in the States. It's sad to see that Canadian sales of vehicles are not going down as quickly. It's the only way that these manufacturers will move their prices in the CAD marketplace.

[sienna owner]

Isn't it ironic that I imported a CAD made MDX back into Canada for less than what Acura is currently advertising their base model 'sale' price? I just completed the process for a 2008 (mf date April/08) MDX Sport with power tailgate and am very pleased with the car.

I'm posting this to say it can be done, even though Acura says to their dealers that they cannot sell to Canadians. And that Honda/Acura had better get their heads out of the clouds. Making over $1 billion profit last quarter on the backs of poor Canadians that buy Canadian priced cars while the same cars (made in Canada) are thousands cheaper in the States. It's sad to see that Canadian sales of vehicles are not going down as quickly. It's the only way that these manufacturers will move their prices in the CAD marketplace.

congrats on your new purchase...but agreed that all manufactures have to change

[ottofly]

OK..I have been seeing new 2008 Corvettes selling for 38900 in the US. I am unable to locate a GM dealer that can sell to Canada..Can anyone PM me a GM dealer that they have confirmed will sell to Canadians..I just cannot pass this price up! The LS3!


Well, you're probably not going to have a choice. I've called/emailed many US GM dealers. They refuse to sell new Corvettes to Canadians claiming they can lose their franchise. A 2007 or older is the only way, but given the 2008 has 35 more hp, you probably arent interested. Also, I've found that used 2007's sell for almost the same price as new.

I posted an email last I got last week from one of the biggest Corvette dealers in the US. Your best bet is to get a used 2008, must be titled for a minimum of 6 months, after the 2009's come off the line.

[johnsa]

Well, you're probably not going to have a choice. I've called/emailed many US GM dealers. They refuse to sell new Corvettes to Canadians claiming they can lose their franchise. A 2007 or older is the only way, but given the 2008 has 35 more hp, you probably arent interested. Also, I've found that used 2007's sell for almost the same price as new.

I posted an email last I got last week from one of the biggest Corvette dealers in the US. Your best bet is to get a used 2008, must be titled for a minimum of 6 months, after the 2009's come off the line.

I will wait for a used 2008 in the fall/winter..not in any rush and I want the LS3! As far as warranty..when I last read the GM website info..it stated that the car had to be IN CANADA FOR 6 MTHS for the warranty to be valid in Canada, not titled in US for 6 mths (which is the case with Nissan) has this changed???

[Kamloops]

I will wait for a used 2008 in the fall/winter..not in any rush and I want the LS3! As far as warranty..when I last read the GM website info..it stated that the car had to be IN CANADA FOR 6 MTHS for the warranty to be valid in Canada, not titled in US for 6 mths (which is the case with Nissan) has this changed???

GM Canada requires it to be in service for 6 months AND have 12,000 KM on it for the Canadian warrenty to kick in. The USA warrenty is still valid. Make note it must meet both conditions not just one of them.

This is from the in service date not the date it entered Canada

[Jay-c]

So I ran into a minor pain in the arse with the Subaru, but should work out in the end...

My Outback has a rear gate bar on the back, a big chrome bar to lift/close with. It started rusting over the winter already, so I figured I'd get it replaced.

My dealer in Canada does not have access to that part, so it must be American, right?. Called Van Bortel and sure enough, they've got it in their system, so before ordering it I call Subaru of America to make sure this process is cool - order and pay for the part directly from VB, have it shipped to be, bring to CDN dealer for labour, send in both receipts, and get reimbursed. Just wanted to clear it up as it was a little out of the normal process.... Easy right?

Well turns out that not only is the part not available by my CDN dealer, it isn't even an SOA OEM part!!

I don't know all the details of this, but I'd learned of it a long time ago... NY dealers (all? most? I don't know) purchase through a distributor, not straight from SOA. This is where the part got installed, through the distributor. So that's who the warranty is through, not SOA! Although I spent 30 minutes on the phone with SOA until she figured this out, good thing I did, as SOA would have denied the claim without a doubt.

So I left it in VB's hands... I sent a picture of it by email last night, and this morning I heard back, and we agreed that they'd just send the part directly to my CDN dealer (no charge), I'll go get the work done, and send the bill to VB for the labour to reimburse me.

So it works out fine in the end... just a bit more of a pain in the butt than it really needed to be!!

EDIT: Forgot to add.... the nice girl on the phone from SOA was laughing with me at this whole story, and she said "well, even if it doesn't work out and you have to pay for the part yourself, I guess you still saved a lot of money in the end right?" to which I replied "yes, a LOT of money!!!!"

[jnmontario]

Has anybody looked at bringing in an Escape Hybrid in the last few months? From what I can figure here, Edmunds is quoting the TMV for the Escape Hybrid as being $27,092. The same unit here in Canada, as near as I can estimate, is $30,700 or so. That's without any negotiating here in Canada. I assume I can likely knock a grand or so off of the vehicle without really working too hard, but let's assume that I can only bring the price down to $30,000.

That makes it $27100 (rounding) US
$ 30,000 CDN

While this is still $3k difference, with the eco-rebate that puts it to a $1k difference. Add in the RIV fee, as well as DRL mod and the hassle of finding a CDN-friendly US Ford dealer my question is......is it worth it. I know it sure was for my Prius back in Feb, but with the Ford I'm not convinced.

Any suggestions?


Update. No Canadian dealership I've found (8 in eastern ontario) will sell this vehicle for anything less than MSRP. I'm getting tired of typing in my email replies, "I guess I'll be forced to go to the US for the vehicle". Time to copy-paste.

[ottofly]

GM Canada requires it to be in service for 6 months AND have 12,000 KM on it for the Canadian warrenty to kick in. The USA warrenty is still valid. Make note it must meet both conditions not just one of them.

This is from the in service date not the date it entered Canada

Yup, exactly. +1

So basically if you get a low mileage 2007/8 you're going without warranty until the car has 12,000Km on it, which on a Corvette could take 2-3 years. lol

[icansteve]

I've got a reply from Alberta Transportation regard to drive a car with the US temp plate and Out-Of-Province inspection.

In short, yes. good to drive as long as it meets conditions.
By luckly I'll get a MCO from the dealer that means I don't have to get a OOP to register.

Here is whole response from them.
---------------------------------------------

Hello Steve

Thank you for your email of July 22, 2008 with regards to registering an imported vehicle.

You may use temporary registration issued in another jurisdiction as long as it is subsisting and any conditions attached to the temporary permit are met.

Your vehicle may be exempt from Alberta's inspection requirements if it is a new vehicle that is admissible and the title history does not indicate flood, salvage, or non-repairable.


Within 90 days from the date of purchase, and before the vehicle has more than 5000km or 3107 miles, present the following documents to any Alberta Registry agent:

Bill of Sale or Lease agreement from a factory authorized dealer displaying the name of the person requesting the exemption.
Form 1 issued by Transport Canada stamped at the port of entry and at the federal inspection facility.
Certificate of Origin or State issued Title.
Proof of an Alberta Address.
Proof of Alberta insurance.
The Registry agent will physically verify and record the Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) and complete a verification document. If all documentation is in order registration will be issued.

If the mileage or date of purchase conditions above cannot be met the vehicle must pass an Alberta Out-of-Province Inspection.This comprehensive inspection verifies that the vehicle is in a safe and serviceable condition and can only be performed at an Inspection Facility licensed by Alberta Transportation. Alberta Transportation’s website has a Vehicle Inspection Facility Search which locates licensed Inspection Facilities across Alberta.


The inspection facility determines the cost of the Out Of Province inspection, you may wish to contact a number of inspection facilities to determine the best option for choosing an Inspection Facility. Typically the Out Of Province inspection takes two hours to perform and all facilities must post the cost of the inspection and re-inspection.


If you have any other questions, please do not hesitate to contact me directly.

Robert Ireland

Motor Vehicle Inspection Program Specialist

Alberta Transportation

[BBTing]

Yes, thanks for that. For some reason, I had no idea that you can apply
this exemption to cars as well.

So then it's safe to assume anyone importing a non North American built car is allowed a $400 exemption, since you're there for 72 hours?

If I stay for 72 hours or a week, can I get $400 or $750 deducted from the cost of the car for sale tax purpose ?

[jnmontario]

If I stay for 72 hours or a week, can I get $400 or $750 deducted from the cost of the car for sale tax purpose ?

Yes. I've done it 2x.

[Lonewolf1]

used my 400 yesterday on my new tribeca from subaru of keene. importation took all of 20 minutes at the border. this importing is very easy. do it yourself.


Yes. I've done it 2x.

[du_dongxu]

Anybody knows if Acura recognize US warrenties here in Canada?

Also, could we (Canadians) lease a car in US?:?:

[zircon]

With the new Transport Canada regulations, did you still have to change the front and rear bumpers ? Did the car have to go through an inspection at an Audi dealership ? Please elaborate as it was pretty complicated just a couple of months ago for a friend of mine to bring one in.....

I checked with RIV before I bought and they said it was admissible. No bumper modifications, and my car - an '08 - has daytime running lights. I called Audi USA today and the guy on the phone could not have been nicer. I told him I needed a recall letter, and after creating an account for me all he asked was that I fax the ownership to his office and they would fax me a recall letter. I don't think there will be any cost.

A friend of mine imported a TT 4 yrs ago and had to spend 2-3K to change bumpers. Many TT owners in Canada put the Canadian bumper on until it passed inspection then sold it to the next guy - this was repeated many many times, so the same bumper may have been used on 100s of cars.

[zircon]

Anybody knows if Acura recognize US warrenties here in Canada?

Also, could we (Canadians) lease a car in US?:?:

du...Honda and Acura will cancel your warranty in BOTH countries if you import a vehicle to Canada. They also go after the dealer if they sell you a new one, and they won't give a recall letter (RIV will get you one, but still this shows just how much Acura sucks). I think this is all part of Acura's strategy to see if they can sell zero cars. Their marketshare is in the dumper and will get worse because of the absolute lack of styling on the new TSX, RL, and TL. Acura is dead. Let them dies peacefully by not supporting them and their discriminatory policies. When the Can $ was very weak, the cars were moving in the opposite direction, yet Honda/Acura did not cancel warranties. Get yourself a Toyota, Lexus or Infiniti - they all honour warranties fully. From....a former Acura owner.

[zircon]

Following the Chrysler US lead, GM Canada (deciding they can't really compete I guess) has announced that effective August 1st, they will no longer offer low lease rates across Canada instead looking to sell their vehicles outright. Actually it is GMAC who have stopped offering the low lease rates. Since GM no longer owns GMAC outright, are those folks just now realizing that GM's cars aren't necessarily a good value?

We're told publicly that apparently the used car market "due to external market conditions" has collapsed and the residual values of their cars are too low. Because of that, people choose to walk away since the car is worth less than than their buyout price.

Maybe it's to pay the 1,000 or so workers their $100,000 severances.

Jeese, could it be their cars were overprices to start or is it because the savvy Canadian consumer is going down south.

Here's the story:

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080729/GMAC_leasing_080729/20080729?hub=Canada

Now you know the reports will say the reason for the collapse was those unscrupulous consumers who bought their cars down south saving the initial $5k+ residual value.

Ha ha. Suits them right. Any wonder they're in trouble.

My advice, drop your car prices and regain some of the lost market.

Since the Japanese typically do the reverse of the "American Three" (are they eally still the "big three"?) you should expect low lease rates and additional incentives - perhaps US pricing... Not!

You have no idea what is driving the leasing problem, do you? It is due to 1) banks becoming very tight on their loans due the the home credit scandal; and especially 2) the dramatic decline in residual values of pickups and large SUVs. These trucks has assigned residual values when initially leased, yet as they are turned in the company finds they are worth thousands less. So, to resell the vehicle after it is turned in, they must drop the price and eat thousands or tens of thousands in loss. A $50000 MSRP 2007 Ford pickup probably sold for about $42000 in 2007; 18 months later they were selling at auction in LA last month for <20000. They are retaining 32% of original price over 4 years instead of 57% as they used to . The bankers and GMAC, Chrylser are all taking a bath. Ford is going to charge higher monthly rates to reflect the diminished residual when the truck eventually gets turned in.

[jnmontario]

You have no idea what is driving the leasing problem, do you? It is due to 1) banks becoming very tight on their loans due the the home credit scandal; and especially 2) the dramatic decline in residual values of pickups and large SUVs. These trucks has assigned residual values when initially leased, yet as they are turned in the company finds they are worth thousands less. So, to resell the vehicle after it is turned in, they must drop the price and eat thousands or tens of thousands in loss. A $50000 MSRP 2007 Ford pickup probably sold for about $42000 in 2007; 18 months later they were selling at auction in LA last month for <20000. They are retaining 32% of original price over 4 years instead of 57% as they used to . The bankers and GMAC, Chrylser are all taking a bath. Ford is going to charge higher monthly rates to reflect the diminished residual when the truck eventually gets turned in.

Residual values reflect two things: 1) resale value history, and 2) willingness of lease companies and banks to take risks. 2) We can't do much about thanks to the morons south of the border who screwed the pooch with the sub-prime issue. We as Canadians lease vehicles (or used to before last year or so) more than Americans which means that lease companies will play a large role in the residual value. 1) however warrants more interest:

Here in Canada the car companies decided that Canadians that don't lease were more likely to purchase 1-2 years used rather than new (if that isn't a glaring indication that MSRP is too high, I don't know what is). The manufacturers were involved in inventory management and branding and enabled dealers to carry out lucrative resale programs. This means their gravy came from keeping residual values high and arbitrarily offering incentives to drop MSRP new vehicle prices as the market fluctuated. Since Canadians didn't complain about the disparity between US and CDN resale value mostly due to the simple fact that they didn't bother to compare the #'s with a grade 7 math equation (0.7xUS value) we overpaid for decades. I think the fact that you missed the "lease values which were ASSIGNED" escaped your attention only because you have to ask, why were the assigned values the way they were in Canada? Short answer; we were willing to pay them and we got screwed for a long time because of it.

PS, it's not nice to chastise the OP even if you disagree.

[pocman]

A friend is looking to purchase a new Chev Impala SS. I am trying to locate Canadian friendly US delaers in the midwest/northwest US. Please PM me if you are aware of any. Thanks....


I have not received any responses to this post. I'm assuming from the previous posts that there are no GM dealers that will sell new vehicles to Canadians, much like Honda. Is this correct or are there some GM dealers in the US that will accept our cash?

[zircon]

Residual values reflect two things: 1) resale value history, and 2) willingness of lease companies and banks to take risks. 2) We can't do much about thanks to the morons south of the border who screwed the pooch with the sub-prime issue. We as Canadians lease vehicles (or used to before last year or so) more than Americans which means that lease companies will play a large role in the residual value. 1) however warrants more interest:

Here in Canada the car companies decided that Canadians that don't lease were more likely to purchase 1-2 years used rather than new (if that isn't a glaring indication that MSRP is too high, I don't know what is). The manufacturers were involved in inventory management and branding and enabled dealers to carry out lucrative resale programs. This means their gravy came from keeping residual values high and arbitrarily offering incentives to drop MSRP new vehicle prices as the market fluctuated. Since Canadians didn't complain about the disparity between US and CDN resale value mostly due to the simple fact that they didn't bother to compare the #'s with a grade 7 math equation (0.7xUS value) we overpaid for decades. I think the fact that you missed the "lease values which were ASSIGNED" escaped your attention only because you have to ask, why were the assigned values the way they were in Canada? Short answer; we were willing to pay them and we got screwed for a long time because of it.

PS, it's not nice to chastise the OP even if you disagree.

thanks.

I never could figure out the Canadian leasing market - I have never leased - but your comments make sense. They got themselves into this mess by continually raising MSRPs even while the Canadian $ was surging. If you factor the price increase and the rise in Canadian $, collectively Honda raised the price of a loaded CRV by more than 50%. I went back and checked exchange rates in 2002 when I bought a CRV and when I was considering a new one last year. Overall price went up >60% if I recall (factoring in exchange).

[jabelone]

Dumb question but can't find the hours of the Canadian border at Port Angeles Washington/ Victoria BC crossing (or the phone number to ask). Am I safe to assume that as along as the border is open, then there will be staff to deal with the import of our vehicle? Because of ferry schedules, we will have to import our vehicle into Canada at 11pm. Thanks in advance.

[perfchris]

Congrats ! Not only did you save some major coin but you benefitted from Transport Canada's new policy on bumpers. That probably saved you another 2000 dollars as you say.


I checked with RIV before I bought and they said it was admissible. No bumper modifications, and my car - an '08 - has daytime running lights. I called Audi USA today and the guy on the phone could not have been nicer. I told him I needed a recall letter, and after creating an account for me all he asked was that I fax the ownership to his office and they would fax me a recall letter. I don't think there will be any cost.

A friend of mine imported a TT 4 yrs ago and had to spend 2-3K to change bumpers. Many TT owners in Canada put the Canadian bumper on until it passed inspection then sold it to the next guy - this was repeated many many times, so the same bumper may have been used on 100s of cars.

[Tuppin]

After importing our Tribeca over 2 years ago, we just imported a 2008 VW eos hardtop convertible. Very happy having saved all that money. Now we have a great winter vehicle and a great summer vehicle. My father is thinking of importing his second vehicle as well.

[cinqhoda]

I have not received any responses to this post. I'm assuming from the previous posts that there are no GM dealers that will sell new vehicles to Canadians, much like Honda. Is this correct or are there some GM dealers in the US that will accept our cash?

Try going through a US based broker like http://www.fleetrates.com. They can get any vehicle for below invoice. Sometimes it is worthwhile going through a middleman.

[BBTing]

Try going through a US based broker like http://www.fleetrates.com. They can get any vehicle for below invoice. Sometimes it is worthwhile going through a middleman.

Can anyone tell me how payment is made when a broker is used ? What can one do to protect oneself from fraud or being cheated ? We are talking about a good sum of money anyway.

Appreciate if someone could share experience using a US broker.

[stephenstay]

I think it would be safe to assume that there will be someone there to take your money :)

Dumb question but can't find the hours of the Canadian border at Port Angeles Washington/ Victoria BC crossing (or the phone number to ask). Am I safe to assume that as along as the border is open, then there will be staff to deal with the import of our vehicle? Because of ferry schedules, we will have to import our vehicle into Canada at 11pm. Thanks in advance.

[CheapScotsman]

Can anyone tell me how payment is made when a broker is used ? What can one do to protect oneself from fraud or being cheated ? We are talking about a good sum of money anyway.

Appreciate if someone could share experience using a US broker.Search this thread (and others) for Fleetrates ...

[stephenstay]

Also of note. If you have purchased a GM product from the US that has free maintenance and roadside assistance it is not honored in Canada. Found out that tidbit at the first oil change.

GM Canada requires it to be in service for 6 months AND have 12,000 KM on it for the Canadian warrenty to kick in. The USA warrenty is still valid. Make note it must meet both conditions not just one of them.

This is from the in service date not the date it entered Canada

[hieppo]

cinqhoda, have you experienced in buying from FLEETRATES? If so how were you able to purchase a vehicle below invoice? All quotes I received are between MSRP and invoice. But pricing in the US right now with the new 2009 just around the corner, US residences are able to buy vehicles way below invoice pricing.

[sienna owner]

I have not received any responses to this post. I'm assuming from the previous posts that there are no GM dealers that will sell new vehicles to Canadians, much like Honda. Is this correct or are there some GM dealers in the US that will accept our cash?

there are some out there...is the ones that know how to work the system that will sell new to Cdns...but GM has put certain restrictions:

1. must provide US SIN, and
2. if using bank draft, draft must be written by US Bank (and we can all see how secure those are in these days), and
3. must provide proof of insurance coverage from USs company.

there are more, but these are the ones that will get you stuck...and you will most likely be paying states sales tax..but still worth it for some

[ifeature]

I'm looking into importing a NISSAN Frontier.

Incredible price:

http://newspaperads.charlotte.com/ROP/ads.aspx?advid=10300&adid=6651464&cat=3379

How long does the process generally take?

[Efx]

I'm looking into importing a NISSAN Frontier.

Incredible price:

http://newspaperads.charlotte.com/ROP/ads.aspx?advid=10300&adid=6651464&cat=3379

How long does the process generally take?

Am i seeing things or is that 12.5K for a BRAND NEW Xterra???

[icansteve]

Search this thread (and others) for Fleetrates ...

It depends on the person who you are going to deal with though.
After signing in with around $30 membership fee, I asked several quotes with no luck. I got only one reply and never came again.

Hand down...:mad:

[AMD]

This is a crazy price...!

I can't really believe it!

Am i seeing things or is that 12.5K for a BRAND NEW Xterra???

[Rehan]

I'm looking into importing a NISSAN Frontier.

Incredible price:

http://newspaperads.charlotte.com/ROP/ads.aspx?advid=10300&adid=6651464&cat=3379 You may first want to read this:
http://www.dealerrater.com/dealer/Harrelson-Nissan-review-6310/
If you google the dealerships name, you'll find a couple of other consumer complaints as well (and no positive comments, from my brief look).

But that doesn't mean you shouldn't look elsewhere for the same vehicle. A post at http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.ef94487 says:
I just wanted to tell everyone that A LOT of dealers are offering a flat 40% of MSRP on new Frontiers, Armadas, Quests, Xterras and Titans.

No, I am not making this up. There are ads all over the place, from New Jersey to Kentucky to California.

Example: http://www.glennnissan.com/nissan/share/specials.php

[ssainani]

i've tried to search this thread but can't seem to find the answer

can i import a car for my spouse? or can she import one for me?

trying to work out a deal on a car in the states.....it'll probably end up being in her name....but she's too busy at work to leave for a day to deal with everything.

[Oiler11]

In Apr of this year, I was looking for a Mazda CX-9 in the States, and was getting quotes for the fully loaded Grand Touring AWD of around $37-38k, basically a few hundred above invoice.

These same dealers have just contacted me again and are offering $33-34k. That's about $7k off of MSRP, and about $4500 under invoice.

Crazy. I am seriously thinking of getting one now. They still are priced in the high to mid 50k's here in Canada.

Although I'd be all over a Nissan Quest for 40% off MSRP, too bad they don't have warranty here in Canada, and Consumer Reports says their reliability is "much worse than average". Any idea what kind of discount Murano's are getting Stateside?

[Kamloops]

I'm looking into importing a NISSAN Frontier.

Incredible price:

http://newspaperads.charlotte.com/ROP/ads.aspx?advid=10300&adid=6651464&cat=3379

How long does the process generally take?

You know those are most most likley 2 wheel drives.

[shopper-X]

In Apr of this year, I was looking for a Mazda CX-9 in the States, and was getting quotes for the fully loaded Grand Touring AWD of around $37-38k, basically a few hundred above invoice.

These same dealers have just contacted me again and are offering $33-34k. That's about $7k off of MSRP, and about $4500 under invoice.

Crazy. I am seriously thinking of getting one now. They still are priced in the high to mid 50k's here in Canada.

Although I'd be all over a Nissan Quest for 40% off MSRP, too bad they don't have warranty here in Canada, and Consumer Reports says their reliability is "much worse than average". Any idea what kind of discount Murano's are getting Stateside?

Nissan does honour warranty, but there are stipulations. Call Nissan USA and Nissan Canada and hear them first hand as it's confusing but it is honoured.

[jnmontario]

This is slightly OT, but I'll give it a shot. If I get this price:

"$31 900 plus admin and taxes" from a dealership in Ontario for the 2008 Ford Escape Hybrid with a moonroof and satellite radio.

I priced this vehicle out on Edmunds and it says the TMV (what others are paying) is 29k (US).

I need people's opinion if after my trade-in (should knock off $4k), financing and the Eco-rebate I should go to the US. Frustratingly I swore to myself that I'd never buy another Canadian car after getting my US Prius, but damn....!

[celica00]

Oiler11:

Would you mind giving me some details on the Mazda offers you are getting? I.e. contacts at the dealership? I am potentially looking for a CX-9.

I believe Mazda honours the warranty, correct?

PM me if you prefer

Thanks!!!

[Oiler11]

Oiler11:

Would you mind giving me some details on the Mazda offers you are getting? I.e. contacts at the dealership? I am potentially looking for a CX-9.

I believe Mazda honours the warranty, correct?

PM me if you prefer

Thanks!!!

Hayward Mazda in the SF Bay area, plus any around them will match. Was quoted $33,155 for a GT AWD with GT Assist, Moonroof/bose and towing package.

I called my local Mazda dealership and they are happy to service imported vehicles, and yes, it is covered under warranty.

[dunone]

Does anyone have a Canadian friendly Subaru dealer in the North West US - WA, OR, MT. Please PM me.

[Longobongo]

I would like to know to as I'm looking at a highlander from that website as well. I would be happy if I can get invoice pricing.

cinqhoda, have you experienced in buying from FLEETRATES? If so how were you able to purchase a vehicle below invoice? All quotes I received are between MSRP and invoice. But pricing in the US right now with the new 2009 just around the corner, US residences are able to buy vehicles way below invoice pricing.

[michelb]

i've tried to search this thread but can't seem to find the answer

can i import a car for my spouse? or can she import one for me?

trying to work out a deal on a car in the states.....it'll probably end up being in her name....but she's too busy at work to leave for a day to deal with everything.

You can import in another person's name. Customs will use whatever name is on the bill of sale. In Ontario, I was told that MTO will only register the car in the name of the person on the Form1 (and form1 is filled from the info on the bill of sale). For husband / wife it doesn't matter since you can transfer the vehicle at no cost but if you are importing for someone else, it's important (when I imported our last vehicle, I just bought/imported it in my name since I was dealing with all this but since we wanted it in my wife's name, we first had to register in my name and then immediately transfer it over to her (i.e. they wouldn't allow us to simply register in her name). If it's not direct family or spouse, you would get double-taxed.

As Dano and rjmbc, pointed out, you will probably need some documentation from whoever you're exporting / importing the vehicle for showing that you have the permission to do it. I'm not sure what they require so you'll want to call the US and Canadian borders to find out what they require (limited power of attorney sounds reasonable).

[leseuldaniel]

Does anyone have a Canadian friendly Subaru dealer in the North West US - WA, OR, MT. Please PM me.

They should all be friendly, at least in the North Est they are. No restriction, warranty is honoured. The Forester get hit by the 6.1% duty though. You will still save a few thousand even if you finance yourself.

[Dano76]

You can import in another person's name. Customs will use whatever name is on the bill of sale. In Ontario, I was told that MTO will only register the car in the name of the person on the Form1 (and form1 is filled from the info on the bill of sale). For husband / wife it doesn't matter since you can transfer the vehicle at no cost but if you are importing for someone else, it's important (when I imported our last vehicle, I just bought/imported it in my name since I was dealing with all this but since we wanted it in my wife's name, we first had to register in my name and then immediately transfer it over to her (i.e. they wouldn't allow us to simply register in her name). If it's not direct family or spouse, you would get double-taxed.

What about if you are importing for someone other than your spouse or similalrly close ember of your family. Any hitches at the border if the bill of sale is in someone elses name? (as in not your spouse.)

[rjmbc]

What about if you are importing for someone other than your spouse or similalrly close ember of your family. Any hitches at the border if the bill of sale is in someone elses name? (as in not your spouse.)

"I sent a limited power of attorney with him or he would NOT have been able to bring the vehicle in" Comments from a friend of mine who had is father pick up the vehicle.

[michelb]

"I sent a limited power of attorney with him or he would NOT have been able to bring the vehicle in" Comments from a friend of mine who had is father pick up the vehicle.

Thanks, forgot to add that part actually. I'm not sure what the requirements are so you want to call the Canadian and US border and ask them what you need to provide in order to export / import a vehicle for someone else.

[jed]

This is slightly OT, but I'll give it a shot. If I get this price:

"$31 900 plus admin and taxes" from a dealership in Ontario for the 2008 Ford Escape Hybrid with a moonroof and satellite radio.

I priced this vehicle out on Edmunds and it says the TMV (what others are paying) is 29k (US).

I need people's opinion if after my trade-in (should knock off $4k), financing and the Eco-rebate I should go to the US. Frustratingly I swore to myself that I'd never buy another Canadian car after getting my US Prius, but damn....!

Couple of other things to consider - warranty, dealer servicing (it probably will make some diff if you buy it locally), would have to sell your trade yourself if you go South, financing deals up here, and check Specific Option content of the vehicle to ensure you are comparing apples to apples. A block heater while only a $50 (approx) factory option, is alot more if they have to install one after the fact.

If it were me, for that amount of money I don't think I'd be going South. My money is best in my pocket rather than some manufacturer's but I will try to support local business if its close - for me a couple of thousand is not enough to warrant the work of going South. But, YMMV. You need to verify you are getting what you think you are both here and down south.

[ifeature]

You know those are most most likley 2 wheel drives.

I called they have 12 to choose from. All 4x4. Good colours too. :D

[kergoz]

Well after 2 months of research and plenty of help from this forum and also from the friends at carswithoutborders.com I am the proud owner of an almost brand new 2008 Sienna LE. Unfortunately the experience did not go as smooth as I hoped but overall was not so bad and was still well worth it.

Total costs:

22800 US for slightly used 570 miles 2008 Sienna LE (evp#1, carpet mats, auto dimming mirror) hence about 23200 Canadian. My exhange rate was
pretty good..I paid only 1.5 percent more at the time. Its deteriorated since.

350 dollars for transportation/hotel/food expenses to pick up in Buffalo at well known large dealer there.
210 dollars RIV fee...80 dollars provincial inspection..
1265 dollars GST and air conditioning tax
1840 dollars QST..
45 dollars..temporary US in-transit permit
20 dollars..other dealer fees..

Total...in Canadian dollars..27000 even...

A brand new LE in Canada starts at 34900 plus 1350 delivery..but the LE is slightly better equipped in Canada..perhaps 1000 dollars more in options but that may be generous. My best case scenario in Canada..assuming you could knock another 3000 off the price plus adding 1000 in extra options..would give me a price in Canada of around 32300 plus tax..or around 36200. So that gives me savings of around 9000 dollars. But I did get more options than I would have really wanted and a lot of these options are grossly overpriced anayway..I could have easily lived with a CE..even a base CE in Canada would have cost me at least 32000 total..still 5000 dollars more than what I paid. My LE was slightly used..previous owner had it only 2 weeks as they traded it in for an AWD Sienna. But in effect its was a brand new vehicle..in fantastic shape. So I will say that my true savings are in the 7000 dollars range..nothing to sneeze at.


Pickup Experience...Mixed Results..

The dealer had assured me that they sell many vehicles to Canadians and are well versed in the process. Even their website had a section about selling to Canadians. They have several franchises in the Buffalo area. Hence they told me they could deal with the faxing of the documents to the border in Lewiston. So I left that to them which turned out to be a mistake. I was originally supposed to pick up the vehicle last week..the dealer told me they faxed all the documents to the border on July 18th. I called the border on the 22nd just to confirm and was told they had not received any documents..I was pretty upset as I had to then cancel my pickup date that week..lost my hotel reservation also (didnt realize there was a 48 hours cancellation). I called dealer right away and they assured me they had sent it..so they resent the fax right away..I called the border again and this time they received the documents. So new pickup date was July 24th.

I confirmed with the dealer again that they would have all the documents ready Monday morning when I arrived because I wanted to leave early since its a long drive back to Montreal. Monday morning when I talk to dealer they tell me that they cant find the lien release document..I was really not impressed. I was specifically told a few days earlier that they had that document. The dealer says that they use a computerized system which tells them what documents are at the dealership..the computer told them they had this document but no physical check was ever done..for some reason they did not have the document..it was lost. They also mention that they are getting very big and there are lots of papers moving back and forth between their corporate office and the dealerships hence more chance for documents missing. Bottom line - I am not impressed. But they were very apologetic and the sales manager was very professional and did as much as he could to make the situation right. The general manager also spoke with me and was very professional as well. They offered to pay all my transportation expenses and even fly me back.

The sales manager then stated that perhaps I could cross the border with a fax of the lien document..they would then Fedex the original document to me the next day at home. He called the border and told me he spoke with someone there who said that the fax of the lien document would be ok. I was skeptical as the US border site is pretty clear that all documents need to be original. But I thought I would try as I really wanted to leave that day. I drove to the border..which was a good 45 minutes from the dealership. The border officer stamped my title and was about to let me go when she noted that there was a lien..she then request the lien document..I gave her the fax and she said it was not acceptable and to come back tomorrow with the document. I was pretty annoyed again..drove all the way back to the dealership. They offered to pay my hotel and food expense for another day.. I made arrangements with my work.

The salesman brought me to a local hotel near the dealership which in the end was on the dumpy side..air conditioning did not work properly. I should have requested a better hotel but I was tired and just wanted to eat lunch and relax for awhile. The general manager of the dealership happened to be going to a Toyota meeting that evening in eastern New York and was meeting with someone from Toyota financial who was bringing the lien release document. So the general manager picked up the document that evening and they dropped it off at my hotel around 9:30 that evening. So I was impressed that they made such an effort to get the document to me..hence I was able to leave first thing Tuesday morning. But I slept very little that night from all the stress and the heat in the hotel room.

Tuesday was the drive back..got to the US border first thing in the morning and this time no problem..stamped title..was out in 5 minutes. They verified that the signature on the lien release document was hand written..looked at the car briefly out the window. Went to the Canadian border..filled out form1..paid GST..took 15 minutes. I then took the QEW and decided to stop at the RIV office in Etobicoke..took about 20 minutes there to get Form 2. She didnt like my recall letter from the dealership..but she said she could do a check online so in the end it wasnt an issue. Then I was on my way back to Montreal..missed the heavy Toront traffic as it was around 10-11 am. Got back to Montreal around 4:30 pm. No OPP of other police stopped me for having a New York in-transit permit..I had heard that this could be a problem..although I dont know why the New York permit would not be valid.

I had made appointments the week before for Wednesday for the SAAQ inspection and the CT inspection. Did both and as expected no issues reported..the car is basically brand new.

This morning went to the SAAQ and brought my title, purchase order, customs form, form 1, saaq inspection form and I got my Quebec plates. I was charged PST on the amount I paid for the car in CDN dollars plus GST.


Conclusions

Overall very happy with the car..it was as advertised..basically brand new..no scratches or any issues. The price was good. But the handling of the paperwork by the dealership was sloppy and they should know better as they sell to many Canadians. But they did try hard to rectify the situation but still made some errors..the sales manager should not have told me that a faxed copy of the lien document would be accepted..I wonder if he really did speak to someone at the border office. My salesman should have physically checked the week before to see if the documents were there. I think they should be more careful with what hotels they do send their clients..although I could have been more forceful as well. The sales manager also said he would compensate me for all my travel expenses because of the hassle but I have not heard anything back so far..so am wondering if I will actually be compensated..personally I think they should and he specifically said he would. But in the end they did put in some effort to fix the solution and I got a good price on the vehicle..but many dealerships are selling similar brand new vehicles now for 22000-22500 so they still got a pretty good price considering it was slightly used.

Next time I would handle all the paperwork with the border and I would be more persistent in having them verify that the physical documents are at the dealership. But it was my first time doing so and in the grand scheme of things it was a good choice.

[jnmontario]

Couple of other things to consider - warranty, dealer servicing (it probably will make some diff if you buy it locally), would have to sell your trade yourself if you go South, financing deals up here, and check Specific Option content of the vehicle to ensure you are comparing apples to apples. A block heater while only a $50 (approx) factory option, is alot more if they have to install one after the fact.

If it were me, for that amount of money I don't think I'd be going South. My money is best in my pocket rather than some manufacturer's but I will try to support local business if its close - for me a couple of thousand is not enough to warrant the work of going South. But, YMMV. You need to verify you are getting what you think you are both here and down south.

I have to agree. I looked around on autotrader.ca vs. autotrader.com, edmunds and a few other places and it would seem that this vehicle is priced fairly competitive in Canada. Amazing! I guess the CDN dealerships (read:manufacturers) are listening to the consumer and the economy. It only took a collapse in the lease market for it to happen.

Final $31,900 + 330 admin + tax (of which I'll get the eco-rebate and the ontario PST back). With a $5000 trade-in I'm looking at a final price tag once receipts are in of only about $25,000. The Highlander I was looking at was far cheaper in the US than in CDN, but I guess Ford is hurting for sales for the Escape Hybrid in the east (they're selling like hotcakes in the US West) so they're willing to bring the US and CDN prices into relative alignment.

[Kamloops]

I friend of mine wants to buy a new or used Forester.

It would have to be Wash or Oregon.

Are there still deals to be had on the Forester in the USA? I guess they will have to pay 6.1% extra?

Any info on this would be great, I am not up on these cars. I know how to import.

Anyone suggest a dealer?

Thanks

[cinqhoda]

cinqhoda, have you experienced in buying from FLEETRATES? If so how were you able to purchase a vehicle below invoice? All quotes I received are between MSRP and invoice. But pricing in the US right now with the new 2009 just around the corner, US residences are able to buy vehicles way below invoice pricing.

Sorry, I was up late and pretty tired when I posted that. I meant below MSRP not below invoice. While Fleetrates may be getting the vehicle below invoice, they have their mark up for the service they provide. The main point I was trying to make is that they (and other companies like them) are one way to buy new vehicles from manufacturers that prevent their dealer networks from selling new vehicles to non-US residents. I have not used them before, but I have read every page of this thread and have seen their name come up more than once from people who did use them.

[hieppo]

Thanks for the clarificatino cinqhoda.

The way I see, making a profit is part of any business. I just wish that their profit margin is a little less. Plus the vehicle I am looking for has to be trucked from Florida which adds around another $1000 to the final price.

[garvard]

Hi,
can anyone provide an address of Canadian Tire closest to Lewiston/Queenston Bridge. I am importing 2004 Toyota 4Runner in two weeks and need Canadian tire to change miles to kilometers and making day-run lights.

[huei2010]

Does anyone have a Canadian friendly Lexus dealer in the North West US - WA, OR, MT. Please PM me. Thanks!

[michelb]

Hi,
can anyone provide an address of Canadian Tire closest to Lewiston/Queenston Bridge. I am importing 2004 Toyota 4Runner in two weeks and need Canadian tire to change miles to kilometers and making day-run lights.

Not sure why you want a CT close to the bridge - you have 45 days to make the modifications and you need to wait for the form2 to do the inspection.

Also you don't need to change miles to kilometers (I'm sure the 4Runner has dual display and even if it didn't you can just get stickers to place on your speedo).

[garvard]

Not sure why you want a CT close to the bridge - you have 45 days to make the modifications and you need to wait for the form2 to do the inspection.

Also you don't need to change miles to kilometers (I'm sure the 4Runner has dual display and even if it didn't you can just get stickers to place on your speedo).

Thank you, Michelb. Does it mean that just after custom formalities and paying fees I can drive first 45 days without a risk to get a ticket from traffic police?
But where I can get temporary plates?

[mangoman]

Not quite - you have 45 days to get the modifications done but you can't drive around without temp plates. Your US temp plate might be good for upto 30 days depending where you got them (NY's are good for 30 days - the expiry date is written on the back). Of course you may still run the risk of getting pulled over by the police with US temp plates (this seems to be under debate here on the forum).

Ontario won't let you get temp plates unless your bill of sale is dated no more than 6 days old and even then they're only valid for 10 days. No idea about Quebec.

So it's best to get your inspection/mods done sooner than later but that doesn't mean you have to get them as soon as you clear the border!

Thank you, Michelb. Does it mean that just after custom formalities and paying fees I can drive first 45 days without a risk to get a ticket from traffic police?
But where I can get temporary plates?

[GPK1]

From a guy who drives a US LX-P, if you do your homework and do a good once over the car when you see it, there's no way you're going to have $6000 repairs before the warranty period expires.

I have driven 6500 miles so far in mine and I haven't spent a dime on maintenance (my oil is still at 40% life remaining). Also, you should be able to get a bit off of MSRP as well, since right now is 2008 clearance time for Honda.

I've had no problems per se, but the all the different plastics in the dash creak over bumps for the first few minutes of driving in the morning.

I am also interested in LX-P model. Could you please pm me the dealer whom you bought from.

[garvard]

Ontario won't let you get temp plates unless your bill of sale is dated no more than 6 days old and even then they're only valid for 10 days. No idea about Quebec.

Can you explain: what organization in Ontario, Canada gives temporary plates for driving 10 days? Thank you.

[mangoman]

The Ministry of Transportaion of Ontario (or any other provincial ministry depending on the province) - judging by your question, you're not a resident of Ontario, so I wouldn't advise this route since I believe an Ontario temp permit is only valid if the vehicle is going to be registered in Ontario or possibly if you are buying the vehicle from an Ontario buyer.

Are you in Quebec? I believe there should be an equivalent "temporary plate" from the SAAQ, no?

Update: From the SAAQ website, it seems you have to contact them to find out what's required to register a car from outside Quebec.

http://www.saaq.gouv.qc.ca/en/vehicle_registration/outside_quebec.php

Can you explain: what organization in Ontario, Canada gives temporary plates for driving 10 days? Thank you.

[garvard]

The Ministry of Transportaion of Ontario (or any other provincial ministry depending on the province) - judging by your question, you're not a resident of Ontario, so I wouldn't advise this route since I believe an Ontario temp permit is only valid if the vehicle is going to be registered in Ontario or possibly if you are buying the vehicle from an Ontario buyer.

Are you in Quebec? I believe there should be an equivalent "temporary plate" from the SAAQ, no?

Update: From the SAAQ website, it seems you have to contact them to find out what's required to register a car from outside Quebec.

http://www.saaq.gouv.qc.ca/en/vehicle_registration/outside_quebec.php

You are right, I am not resident of Ontario. I am newcomer to Canad and my residence should be New Brunswick Province. But I would like to meet my car at the Canadian border and need to drive it in Ontarion for first 7-10 days and then drive to Fredericton, NB. That's why I am thinking about temporary plates. Wht's organization can give me temporary plates to legal driving in Ontarion.

[zulu888]

I'm on the phone with a dealer saying they will title a car under my name but won't release the MSO. Is this enough to import?

[Monsieurmaggot]

You are right, I am not resident of Ontario. I am newcomer to Canad and my residence should be New Brunswick Province. But I would like to meet my car at the Canadian border and need to drive it in Ontarion for first 7-10 days and then drive to Fredericton, NB. That's why I am thinking about temporary plates. Wht's organization can give me temporary plates to legal driving in Ontarion.

I don't think you can really do what you are suggesting.

The temporary plate in Ontario is considered a TRANSIT permit which allows you to move the car through the jurisdiction or use it to drive the vehicle in order to get your inspections completed.

Also, you should check with your insurance company if they will even permit you to do this.

In order to allow a cross-border sale, my insurance company was VERY insistent on using the transit permit only during the delivery and inspection processes. They did not want me driving around anywhere until the car was properly licensed.

[maddawg]

Hi,
can anyone provide an address of Canadian Tire closest to Lewiston/Queenston Bridge. I am importing 2004 Toyota 4Runner in two weeks and need Canadian tire to change miles to kilometers and making day-run lights.

Check cdn tire in St. Catherines which is a 15 minute drive from the border.

[kergoz]

You are right, I am not resident of Ontario. I am newcomer to Canad and my residence should be New Brunswick Province. But I would like to meet my car at the Canadian border and need to drive it in Ontarion for first 7-10 days and then drive to Fredericton, NB. That's why I am thinking about temporary plates. Wht's organization can give me temporary plates to legal driving in Ontarion.

The easiest thing for you to do would be to pick up the car and then drive it straight to Fredericton but across New York/Maine into New Brunswick. Driving temp USA plate around Ontario for 10 days is risky..do you really need the car during that 10 day period..just rent one when you are in Ontario? The temporary plate is really to move the car from the dealership directly to your new address (New Brunswick). Plan in advance so that you can do the CT inspection as soon as possible once in New Brunswick..you usually can get the Form 2 from RIV emailed to you within a day or so of faxing them your Form 1 and recall clearance letter. I was lucky as I stopped in to the RIV office directly in Etobicoke after crossing in from Lewiston hence got my Form 2 right away and I had already pre-booked the week before my CT and provincial inspection for the following day.

This will minimize your driving around Canada with a US temp plate..I think you will have much less problem with a US temp plate driving in the USA. If you are lucky you may not need any modifications..if you can try getting a vehicle already with daytime running lights and the engine immobilizer.

[Kamloops]

I am a little confused.

For Subaru it says on riv -

Admissible:
2007 AND 2008 All Forester models, if built
AFTER September 1st, 2007. [EIS] (see
notes)
2008 Tribeca
2008 Outback
2009 All models

Under inadmissable there is nothing. Am I to assume the only Subie I could bring in are on the Admissible list, would it not say all other models are inadmissable?

[sienna owner]

I am a little confused.

For Subaru it says on riv -

Admissible:
2007 AND 2008 All Forester models, if built
AFTER September 1st, 2007. [EIS] (see
notes)
2008 Tribeca
2008 Outback
2009 All models

Under inadmissable there is nothing. Am I to assume the only Subie I could bring in are on the Admissible list, would it not say all other models are inadmissable?


my guess is you're only looking at the multi-passenger vehicle section..for sedans, etc it's under a different section...

[sienna owner]

I'm on the phone with a dealer saying they will title a car under my name but won't release the MSO. Is this enough to import?

the mso is physically replaced with the original title...if you can get a hold of the mso (photocopy) and your border crossing accepts faxes..you can use that to fax ahead for the 72 hours requirement...if you can get the mso, it will be easier for you to register as some offices (MTO) will then request you provide a vehicle inspector to license it, since it will then be considered used...don't ask me why....

[docfreud]

methinks that the readers on this thread would appreciate this update:

It is no longer possible to get a 10-day trip permit in Ontario as of 28 July 2008.

They have now switched to a 10-day temporary validation sticker which goes onto your existing plates.

In other words, when buying a vehicle, you now need to register the vehicle into your name, pay the Retail Sales Tax, and attach either new or existing plates to your vehicle, to get a temporary validation sticker. If buying a used vehicle, you will still need your safety and emissions test to get your regular validation sticker.

Another change, you are only allowed two 10-day temporary validations per vehicle in a 365 day period.

[Justin]

Parents just picked up a 2008 Chevrolet Equinox Sport AWD for $21,500USD with 10,000 mi. How does that price sound? New MSRP is $38,000 in Canada and I found similar used in Canada for around $29,000.

Can someone telll me how the warranty works here in Canada for Chevrolet vehicles? Also anyone know what it takes to get daytime running lights on this thing? Wondering if it is as simple as changing a setting in the computer since the vehicle was made in Canada. Also anyone know if it has an immobilizer?

Thanks

[sienna owner]

Parents just picked up a 2008 Chevrolet Equinox Sport AWD for $21,500USD with 10,000 mi. How does that price sound? New MSRP is $38,000 in Canada and I found similar used in Canada for around $29,000.

Can someone telll me how the warranty works here in Canada for Chevrolet vehicles? Also anyone know what it takes to get daytime running lights on this thing? Wondering if it is as simple as changing a setting in the computer since the vehicle was made in Canada. Also anyone know if it has an immobilizer?

Thanks

Chevrolet = GM, so no warrant in the first 12,000 kms AND 6 months...but coverage thereafter...
as for the running lights, use the search function for this forum and you will find some suggested DIY...immobilizer??? check the list of options the car has, or build it the same online

[pulsar]

Parents just picked up a 2008 Chevrolet Equinox Sport AWD for $21,500USD with 10,000 mi. How does that price sound? New MSRP is $38,000 in Canada and I found similar used in Canada for around $29,000.

Can someone telll me how the warranty works here in Canada for Chevrolet vehicles? Also anyone know what it takes to get daytime running lights on this thing? Wondering if it is as simple as changing a setting in the computer since the vehicle was made in Canada. Also anyone know if it has an immobilizer?

Thanks
You can check the VIN at a local Chev dealer to see what options it has. OR just look at the key. If it has a large head on it relative to other Chev keys, it probably has a chip in it for an immobilizer.

[garvard]

methinks that the readers on this thread would appreciate this update:

It is no longer possible to get a 10-day trip permit in Ontario as of 28 July 2008.

They have now switched to a 10-day temporary validation sticker which goes onto your existing plates.

In other words, when buying a vehicle, you now need to register the vehicle into your name, pay the Retail Sales Tax, and attach either new or existing plates to your vehicle, to get a temporary validation sticker. If buying a used vehicle, you will still need your safety and emissions test to get your regular validation sticker.

Another change, you are only allowed two 10-day temporary validations per vehicle in a 365 day period.

after visting MTO website I found the following:
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/temp.htm
I hope this will work to take temporary plates to drive a car in Ontario for up to 10 days.

[jed]

You can check the VIN at a local Chev dealer to see what options it has. OR just look at the key. If it has a large head on it relative to other Chev keys, it probably has a chip in it for an immobilizer.

Most GM US vin's don't show in Cdn systems - but if you ask for an RPO list from the US dealer, it will give you what you are looking for.

[mangoman]

The new "special permit" that they mentioned may just work! For a new car you need the NVIS (which I believe is equal to the MSO in the US) which would show that it's a "fit" vehicle - if it's used you need an inspection to show that it is fit.

" Service Locations


Temporary Vehicle Registration allows vehicles to be driven to licensing offices, garages (eg. to satisfy Safety Standards Certificate and/or Drive Clean requirements) and for other necessary short-term transportation purposes. Temporary Vehicle Registration is a “T” validation sticker that must be affixed to the upper right hand corner of your licence plate and will be valid for ten days starting with the date issue. A vehicle that has been sold must be registered in the new owner’s name, prior to Temporary Vehicle Registration being issued for the vehicle.

As of July 28, 2008:

* Temporary Vehicle Registration is eligible for use on all passenger, unladen commercial motor vehicles, motorcycles and low speed motorcycles;
* All passenger and unladen commercial motor vehicles are eligible to obtain a maximum of two Temporary Vehicle Registration per vehicle within a 365-day period;
* A newly transferred vehicle that requires Temporary Vehicle Registration must be registered and plated in the new owner’s name;
* Owners must pay outstanding 407 ETR fines and NSFs before receiving Temporary Vehicle Registration; and
* Regular vehicle registration processes do not change for owners that do not require Temporary Vehicle Registration (i.e if all regulatory requirements are met at time of registration, full validation will be issued).

To apply for Temporary Vehicle Registration take the following items to any ServiceOntario Driver and Vehicle Licence Issuing Office:

* The original fit vehicle permit;
* If the permit is not registered in your name ensure that the back of the permit is completed and signed by the previous owner, (a Bill of Sale can be used for supporting documentation from the person named on the permit);
* Used Vehicle Information Package (if a private sale)
* Name of your insurance company and policy number for the vehicle that you are registering; and
* Existing plates (if available) along with the plate portion of the vehicle permit.

Special Permit

A Special Permit will be used in circumstances where the Temporary Vehicle Registration is not suitable (e.g. out-of-province vehicles, laden commercial motor vehicles).

The Special Permit will:

* Consist of a decal to be displayed in the windshield of the vehicle and will be valid for 10 days;
* Allow a limit of 2 (two) permits per motor vehicle or unladen commercial motor vehicle within a 365-day period;
* Allow an unlimited number of permits for laden commercial motor vehicles;
* Allow a commercial motor vehicle that is registered in Ontario a higher gross vehicle weight than indicated on the plate portion of the permit; and
* Will allow the movement of a vehicle from one jurisdiction to another (corridor movement).

To apply for a Special Permit take the following items to any ServiceOntario Driver and Vehicle Licence Issuing Office:

* A completed Application for Special Permit
* The original fit vehicle permit/or NVIS;
* If the permit is not registered in your name ensure that the back of the permit is completed and signed by the previous owner (a Bill of Sale can be used for supporting documentation from the person named on the permit); and
* Name of your insurance company and policy number for the vehicle that you are requesting a Special Permit for.
"

after visting MTO website I found the following:
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/temp.htm
I hope this will work to take temporary plates to drive a car in Ontario for up to 10 days.

[TiFo]

After importing our Tribeca over 2 years ago, we just imported a 2008 VW eos hardtop convertible. Very happy having saved all that money. Now we have a great winter vehicle and a great summer vehicle. My father is thinking of importing his second vehicle as well.

Tuppin:

Would you mind giving me some details on your import experience for the VW Eos? I.e. where did you buy the Eos, how difficult was it to find a Canadian friendly VW dealership etc? There are not too many posts here about importing VW's.
I am potentially looking to import a 2008 Jetta. Well, I would actually prefer to get the new Jetta Wagon (Diesel), but unfortunately Volkswagen Canada will not honour anymore the US warranty for 2009 models.

PM me if you prefer. Thanks!

[sienna owner]

Tuppin:

Would you mind giving me some details on your import experience for the VW Eos? I.e. where did you buy the Eos, how difficult was it to find a Canadian friendly VW dealership etc? There are not too many posts here about importing VW's.
I am potentially looking to import a 2008 Jetta. Well, I would actually prefer to get the new Jetta Wagon (Diesel), but unfortunately Volkswagen Canada will not honour anymore the US warranty for 2009 models.

PM me if you prefer. Thanks!

if VW canada doesn't honour the warranty...have you thought about 3rd party warranties??

[irish80ca]

Is it possible to purchase a vehicle in Florida, register it to my dad's place in Florida, get insurance for a year down there and then just drive it up here in Ontario? The car will spend 99% of the time in Ontario, not Florida.

Will this cause issues for me if I ever have an accident in Canada? I would assume it's just the same as me having insurance up here and driving down there.

If so, can I do this for a year or two and then "sell" the car to my wife or other family member for say $20000 instead of the original $30000 and save myself $1300 in taxes?

[fruzmatik]

Does anyone have any idea if an Exported Bentley would have a valid warranty in Canada?

I've looked everywhere, but came up empty. :confused:

Thanks!!

[zircon]

Is it possible to purchase a vehicle in Florida, register it to my dad's place in Florida, get insurance for a year down there and then just drive it up here in Ontario? The car will spend 99% of the time in Ontario, not Florida.

Will this cause issues for me if I ever have an accident in Canada? I would assume it's just the same as me having insurance up here and driving down there.

If so, can I do this for a year or two and then "sell" the car to my wife or other family member for say $20000 instead of the original $30000 and save myself $1300 in taxes?

Don't even think of doing this. You will have both your provincial revenue agency and revenue Canada come after you. I think they will view ity as evasion. Since you don't live in the states, they will consider it avoidance.

[michelb]

Is it possible to purchase a vehicle in Florida, register it to my dad's place in Florida, get insurance for a year down there and then just drive it up here in Ontario? The car will spend 99% of the time in Ontario, not Florida.

Will this cause issues for me if I ever have an accident in Canada? I would assume it's just the same as me having insurance up here and driving down there.

If so, can I do this for a year or two and then "sell" the car to my wife or other family member for say $20000 instead of the original $30000 and save myself $1300 in taxes?

Don't even think of doing this. You will have both your provincial revenue agency and revenue Canada come after you. I think they will view ity as evasion. Since you don't live in the states, they will consider it avoidance.

Even if you the government doesn't come after you, you'll still come out behind. If you buy and register in FL, you'll pay state tax (6% to 7.5% depending on county) and then you sell to wife or family member, they'll pay PST & GST when they import.

i.e.

Buy in FL at $30k -> $31800 after tax (assuming 6%)
Sell to wife and she imports at $20k -> $22600
Total tax paid $4400

If you buy at $30K and import in Canada, you'll pay $3900 tax ...

Also note that most dealers in FL appear to charge tax unless you have the vehicle shipped ...

[CRXguy]

Parents just picked up a 2008 Chevrolet Equinox Sport AWD for $21,500USD with 10,000 mi. How does that price sound? New MSRP is $38,000 in Canada and I found similar used in Canada for around $29,000.

Can someone telll me how the warranty works here in Canada for Chevrolet vehicles? Also anyone know what it takes to get daytime running lights on this thing? Wondering if it is as simple as changing a setting in the computer since the vehicle was made in Canada. Also anyone know if it has an immobilizer?

Thanks

I thought all GM's in North America comes with DRL as standard equipment?

[Kamloops]

It is agaist the law for a Canadian to drive a USA plated car in Canada, unless it is in the import process and taxes paid at the border


Is it possible to purchase a vehicle in Florida, register it to my dad's place in Florida, get insurance for a year down there and then just drive it up here in Ontario? The car will spend 99% of the time in Ontario, not Florida.

Will this cause issues for me if I ever have an accident in Canada? I would assume it's just the same as me having insurance up here and driving down there.

If so, can I do this for a year or two and then "sell" the car to my wife or other family member for say $20000 instead of the original $30000 and save myself $1300 in taxes?

[mangoman]

A resident Canadian that is. And if his insurance co. knows this I'm sure they will not cover him.

It is agaist the law for a Canadian to drive a USA plated car in Canada, unless it is in the import process and taxes paid at the border

[irish80ca]

It is agaist the law for a Canadian to drive a USA plated car in Canada, unless it is in the import process and taxes paid at the border

What if I get a Florida drivers license and residency card?

[jgmaull]

What if I get a Florida drivers license and residency card?

I am no expert on this, but you don't want to have the USA digging into your pockets for the rest of your life if you don't have to to save a couple of thousand dollars. To get florida residency, seems a bit extreme to me.

I do not have a lot of money like many fellow RFD's do, but I will tell you this, I would not be playing games like that and getting the USA gvt, into my affairs if it were me to save a couple of thousand more --- and a couple of thousand more is BIG for me. Just my two cents

[Justin]

I thought all GM's in North America comes with DRL as standard equipment?

I think you are right. I looked at the US specs on it says daytime running lights. I have not seen the vehicle. Was just trying to get some things figured out for when my parents return with it.

[Justin]

Can anyone tell me how long it took to receive your Form 2 from the RIV? According to carburner I should pay the RIV fee online, fax Form 1 to them and request that they e-mail Form 2 instead of mailing it for the quickest time.

If I do all this, how long before I can expect an email with Form 2? Few hours? A day? Few days? Sooner the better as I cannot get the inspection without Form 2 and I cannot plate the vehicle without the inspection.

Thanks

[stephenstay]

Someone may have more current experiences but I was told by Canada Customs when I imported my vehicle that form 2 (via email) would arrive 3-5 business days after they received form 1. Customs faxed form 1 right from their office, I went online, paid the RIV fee and requested RIV email me form 2. RIV has a phone number you can call to inquire about the status of your application. I'd wait a couple of business days and then I would suggest calling during business hours (outside of that you will get a call center and they know nothing) and ask whether your form 1 has been received. Turned out mine had not and I re-faxed it to them. I had a bit of a deadline and they expedited my form 2 and it arrived in about 6 hours via email.
Hope this helps.
SS

Can anyone tell me how long it took to receive your Form 2 from the RIV? According to carburner I should pay the RIV fee online, fax Form 1 to them and request that they e-mail Form 2 instead of mailing it for the quickest time.

If I do all this, how long before I can expect an email with Form 2? Few hours? A day? Few days? Sooner the better as I cannot get the inspection without Form 2 and I cannot plate the vehicle without the inspection.

Thanks

[ksiplalm]

Can anyone tell me how long it took to receive your Form 2 from the RIV? According to carburner I should pay the RIV fee online, fax Form 1 to them and request that they e-mail Form 2 instead of mailing it for the quickest time.

If I do all this, how long before I can expect an email with Form 2? Few hours? A day? Few days? Sooner the better as I cannot get the inspection without Form 2 and I cannot plate the vehicle without the inspection.

Thanks
Well, I was just about to post my experience as I got my vehicle plated (in Ontario) last week. I can answer your question as I do so.

Carburner sure helped smooth the process, especially the map of the US export office at Queenston/Lewiston. I didn't see any obvious signage but knew what to look for. I got into their office and the guy says, "We close in FOUR minutes!" in a tone that implied, "If I don't get you processed in that time, you're screwed!". This was on a Friday afternoon so I didn't even want to think about what I would have done if I was too late. Took all of a minute for him to do my paperwork though.

Some other points not evident on Carburner (which may be in this thread but don't want to sift through 15,000 pages to find out :cheesygri ):

RIV:
I was expecting to pay the RIV fee at the border but was told to register online as it would be faster. I did so as soon as I got back that Friday evening. You just need fill in their online form; no faxing necessary. They emailed me Form 2 on Monday around 6pm. I actually missed it, thinking it was junk email as it was from xxx@livingstonintl.com or something like that (my email reader keeps track of what I delete but not the email itself). I called later in the week to ask for it to be re-sent and was told it would be done within the hour, which it was. I was told they send emails from the "livingston" domain or riv.com. Look for the Form 1 reference number in the subject line.

BTW, whenever I've spoken to someone at RIV, they were quite helpful. One time I called and asked if they needed an original of the Recall Clearance Letter as it stated on their website (I was having some trouble getting it). They asked what kind of vehicle is it and told them Dodge... They said I can get the "letter" from Chrysler's website. I had already known that you can look up if your vehicle has complied with all the recalls but didn't know they actually accepted a printout from it. So I just printed it and emailed it to them.

Insurance:
I talked to my broker about insuring the vehicle for transporting across the border. I was told that as long as I got a temporary permit the same day I bring it across, I'd be covered.

I'll add other points if I can think of them.

[BBTing]

Does anyone have good experience with any US based auto broker who can negotiate well below MSRP and familiar with the export process ? I've only heard fleetrates.com so far but they don't even reply to my email.

TIA,

[Anessa]

http://www.carswithoutborders.com/2008/08/01/volvo-canada-and-us-double-up-put-boots-to-canadians/#more-914

Located in New Jersey, Volvo North America has ended the practice of providing Canadians that purchased vehicles in the U.S. with a recall and safety compliance letter.

As reported a few months ago, several Volvo dealers in Western Canada were charging up to $3,000 for a 5 minute inspection on new Models that were purchased in the U.S. These models did not require any modifications , but Transport Canada and the RIV were insisting that Canadians go to an Authorized Volvo dealer in Canada to get “gouged” and have them provide a letter of recall and compliance. All this before Transport Canada would authorize them to drive their new car on Canadian roads!

Many U.S. dealers found a work around. They asked their head office to provide all the documentation. When the RIV was flooded with these letters they had no choice but to accept them. The text of the letter read along these line: “This Volvo Vin # xxxxxxxxxx, has no outstanding recalls and complies with all U.S. and Canadian safety standards. ” Needless to say the $3,000 5 minute inspection was no longer required.

Now the current practice will be for the U.S. dealer to provide the recall letter, and Canadians will have to go to the local Canadian dealer to get “gouged” for the Safety compliance letter and 5 minute inspection.

A woman out west was recently charged only $1950 for this 5 minute inspection on her U.S. purchased Volvo. Over the last several years she and her family had purchased 4 vehicles from this one Canadian dealer. We assume she received a discount based on her past purchases! What a sweet dealer!

On a further note, the nice individual that provided the documentation is no longer working in the same department!

Both Volvo Canada and Volvo North America refused to comment on the situation.

despicable behaviour...

[irish80ca]

What have others been doing for Financing???

So far Presidents Choice Banking appears to offer the best personal loan rate at 6.6% over 5 years.

I'm looking for a term between 5 and 7 years. I want to keep my monthly payment as low as possible.

[ottofly]

If anyone here has any hopes of automakers adjusting their prices to meet US prices I think we can all just dream on.

The sheeple continue to flock in record numbers to gladly overpay and get hosed by Canadian dealers. I guess my salesmen at Honda wasn't kidding when he told me he's never been busier.

http://www.canadiandriver.com/thenews/2008/08/04/canadian-vehicle-sales-rise-in-july.htm

[michelb]

If anyone here has any hopes of automakers adjusting their prices to meet US prices I think we can all just dream on.

The sheeple continue to flock in record numbers to gladly overpay and get hosed by Canadian dealers. I guess my salesmen at Honda wasn't kidding when he told me he's never been busier.

http://www.canadiandriver.com/thenews/2008/08/04/canadian-vehicle-sales-rise-in-july.htm

That's just crazy! US sales are way down (that's not very surprising)

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/08/01/by-the-numbers-july-2008/

[Longobongo]

Does anyone have good experience with any US based auto broker who can negotiate well below MSRP and familiar with the export process ? I've only heard fleetrates.com so far but they don't even reply to my email.

TIA,

I'm getting the same thing, they've replied to my initial email, but haven't since when I asked for a quote.

[oldbear]

Hi all, I benefited a lot from this thread and would like to share my buying experience for my new 2008 Sienna XLE.

The cheapest way is to go directly with dealer that is willing to sell to Canadian. I started by sending email to *ALL* Toyota dealers in NY, MI, OH, Penn States. Only a few of them responded; however, after knowing I won't register the car in the states they all refused to sell. I also got two willing dealers to sell me the car (one in Detroit and one dealer referred by carswithoutborders.com), but they wanted full MSRP and i said no thanks. Then i gave up dealing directly with US dealership.

Then I worked with fleetrates (a US based broker) and they are really nice and helped me located the car I wanted. The downside is, 1) I have to do all Canadian side import work, 2) I have to hire my own trucking company, 3) they want US$2000 for their service, and 4) the worst is that I have to wire them the full payment upfront, and it's a matter of risk that my wife doesn't allow me to take (even after I did couple reference checks!). Along the way I found another US broker who can give me a better deal than fleetrates but I didn't go ahead because of the trust issue.

In parallel working with fleetrates, I started talking to usacars2canada. I almost turned away by their ghetto website (it's improved now). I contact them anyway and I like them for two reasons 1) they do all the work from purchasing to getting Ontario license plate, leaving absolutely no work for their customers, 2) they have office in Scarborough area that I can go and they accept a reasonable deposit; you pay the remaining balance only when you pick up the car

The guy from usacars2canada is nice and patient enough to locate the car with the exact configuration I want (I flip-flopped between Red/Gold color XLE with EVP1 or EVP2, finally settled with Red XLE EVP1 with factory installed DRL). The price they got is comparable to US brokers (close to invoice price, but not as good as some internet price which is around $1k below invoice from dealerships like DARCARS). I made the purchase on June 30 and in two days I learn Toyota US increase rebate from $1500 to $2000 in July; I call them up and they followed up with their partner dealership and gave me an additional discount. I took delivery of the car in two weeks time and everything went very smoothly. I got copies of all related documents and got RIV sticker in mail and Ontario license plate one week after taking delivery.

To sum up, the cheapest way is travel to southern states and import your own vehicle, and the most convenient way is to buy local. Canadian importer like usacars2canada provides most of the saving with all the convenience of buying local. For me a family guy with two young kids, this is price premium I'm happy to pay to a Canadian importer and I'm glad I made this choice.

Thanks to all who contributed to this thread. Together we put pressure on manufacturers lowering their overly inflated Canadian price by buying internationally.

[irish80ca]

I believe I read somewhere that if I ship the vehicle I don't have to worry about paying Florida State taxes. Is that correct? The dealer won't charge me taxes if I don't drive the car off the lot?

I'd register the vehicle in Florida and get the license plates but if I ship from the dealership to the niagara falls boarder can I just take the car from there, pop on the license plates and proceed with the import as normal?

If so this would save me the 7% tax (approx. $1600).

[michelb]

I believe I read somewhere that if I ship the vehicle I don't have to worry about paying Florida State taxes. Is that correct? The dealer won't charge me taxes if I don't drive the car off the lot?

I'd register the vehicle in Florida and get the license plates but if I ship from the dealership to the niagara falls boarder can I just take the car from there, pop on the license plates and proceed with the import as normal?

If so this would save me the 7% tax (approx. $1600).

That's correct about the FL tax.

I'm concerned about 'pop on the license plates and proceed ...' - what license plates are you referring to? Do you mean your FL temp tags? I don't know if they can give you one without charging you tax. Do you mean an ON one? That probably won't work since you can only get it within 6 days of the purchase - if it's anything like me, it will take more than 6 days to get it shipped to the border.

[HP_John]

http://www.carswithoutborders.com/2008/08/01/volvo-canada-and-us-double-up-put-boots-to-canadians/#more-914

Located in New Jersey, Volvo North America has ended the practice of providing Canadians that purchased vehicles in the U.S. with a recall and safety compliance letter.

As reported a few months ago, several Volvo dealers in Western Canada were charging up to $3,000 for a 5 minute inspection on new Models that were purchased in the U.S. These models did not require any modifications , but Transport Canada and the RIV were insisting that Canadians go to an Authorized Volvo dealer in Canada to get “gouged” and have them provide a letter of recall and compliance. All this before Transport Canada would authorize them to drive their new car on Canadian roads!

Many U.S. dealers found a work around. They asked their head office to provide all the documentation. When the RIV was flooded with these letters they had no choice but to accept them. The text of the letter read along these line: “This Volvo Vin # xxxxxxxxxx, has no outstanding recalls and complies with all U.S. and Canadian safety standards. ” Needless to say the $3,000 5 minute inspection was no longer required.

Now the current practice will be for the U.S. dealer to provide the recall letter, and Canadians will have to go to the local Canadian dealer to get “gouged” for the Safety compliance letter and 5 minute inspection.

A woman out west was recently charged only $1950 for this 5 minute inspection on her U.S. purchased Volvo. Over the last several years she and her family had purchased 4 vehicles from this one Canadian dealer. We assume she received a discount based on her past purchases! What a sweet dealer!

On a further note, the nice individual that provided the documentation is no longer working in the same department!

Both Volvo Canada and Volvo North America refused to comment on the situation.

despicable behaviour...

Absolutely disgusting. Even if the savings are big, I'd never import a Volvo knowing I'd get charged $3 K for some bogus letter & inspection.

[diigii]

I would advise you to be very, very careful about getting a President's Choice financial product, especially PC MasterCard. Last year, I became a victim of credit card fraud, along with a few of my co-workers how have been a victims of personal loans of $10,000 to $50,000. President's Choice and CIBC appear not to take personal financial information very seriously.


What have others been doing for Financing???

So far Presidents Choice Banking appears to offer the best personal loan rate at 6.6% over 5 years.

I'm looking for a term between 5 and 7 years. I want to keep my monthly payment as low as possible.

[wannaCRV]

I'm looking to import 2008 Mustang; I have read thru many many posts and the other links but still have some questions. I found a dealer willing to deal with a Canuck, but he states I must have a US address for the rebates. So if I can use my cousins address should that suffice; if they insist on my cousins name on my bill of sale (he lives in different state) does he have to register it or do we set up our own bill of sale? Has anyone bought a Ford from US any info is greatly appreciated.

[BBTing]

In parallel working with fleetrates, I started talking to usacars2canada. I almost turned away by their ghetto website (it's improved now). I contact them anyway and I like them for two reasons 1) they do all the work from purchasing to getting Ontario license plate, leaving absolutely no work for their customers, 2) they have office in Scarborough area that I can go and they accept a reasonable deposit; you pay the remaining balance only when you pick up the car

The guy from usacars2canada is nice and patient enough to locate the car with the exact configuration I want (I flip-flopped between Red/Gold color XLE with EVP1 or EVP2, finally settled with Red XLE EVP1 with factory installed DRL). The price they got is comparable to US brokers (close to invoice price, but not as good as some internet price which is around $1k below invoice from dealerships like DARCARS). I made the purchase on June 30 and in two days I learn Toyota US increase rebate from $1500 to $2000 in July; I call them up and they followed up with their partner dealership and gave me an additional discount. I took delivery of the car in two weeks time and everything went very smoothly. I got copies of all related documents and got RIV sticker in mail and Ontario license plate one week after taking delivery.

To sum up, the cheapest way is travel to southern states and import your own vehicle, and the most convenient way is to buy local. Canadian importer like usacars2canada provides most of the saving with all the convenience of buying local. For me a family guy with two young kids, this is price premium I'm happy to pay to a Canadian importer and I'm glad I made this choice.

Thanks to all who contributed to this thread. Together we put pressure on manufacturers lowering their overly inflated Canadian price by buying internationally.

Congrats on your success ! I'm in the same shoe as you are. Wiring a whole sum to them is not an option for me either. Hence paying a deposit is acceptable to me. Getting close to the invoice price is quite acceptable to me, not to mention the do all the import work as well. Do you know if they have an office in Vancouver area ? Just checked their web site, it does not even work !

So how much do they charge you on top of the cost of the car ?

Anyone has used USAcars2Canada ?:)

[kav1]

I purchased a BMW Z4 M coupe at an amazing savings using Mystique Ventures Inc, out of Moncton New Brunswick. The ower JP is a nice guy and they will either find you the car you want at the best price negotiable (they will try to get the best price possible), or you can find the car and the price and just tell them to do the deal and pick it up. They do all the border stuff and the paperwork including the conversion/inspection and registration and you just drive it away. They can also easily have transport arranged to your door as they did for me.

Just google Mystique Ventues Inc Moncton - call their 800 number and ask for JP - tell him Kyle referred you.

Goodluck.

[Anessa]

Absolutely disgusting. Even if the savings are big, I'd never import a Volvo knowing I'd get charged $3 K for some bogus letter & inspection.

I was thinking of importing a red S40 but since I read that on carswithoutborders. I`d rather not deal with a company that engages in that kind of behaviour. It makes me so angry that they can get away with it too. There`S no recourse to be gouged. As they said on there, "now Ford can sell LESS cars and sink even faster :cheesygri "

[irish80ca]

That's correct about the FL tax.

I'm concerned about 'pop on the license plates and proceed ...' - what license plates are you referring to? Do you mean your FL temp tags? I don't know if they can give you one without charging you tax. Do you mean an ON one? That probably won't work since you can only get it within 6 days of the purchase - if it's anything like me, it will take more than 6 days to get it shipped to the border.

Hi Michelb.

What's this 6 day rule your mentioning?

I was thinking of having the car transported to the niagara boarder to avoid the Florida sales tax. How does someone then go about driving the car across the boarder without plates?

Also, if I register the vehicle to my dad's place in Florida and buy the vehicle in Florida can I still qualify for the tax exemption or does the vehicle have to be registered out of state?

I'm getting a Toyota RAV4 so right now it looks like I have to pay:

7% Florida tax
6.1 Import tax
5% GST
8% PST

That's a lot of tax.

[mangoman]

I believe he meant that the MTO wouldn't give temp plates for vehicles that had a bill of sale dated more than 6 days earlier than the day you go into the MTO to try and get them. However, as was pointed out by someone else the other day it seems they now have a "special permit" which should allow folks to proceed (it doesn't make mention of the previous 6 day rule):

"Special Permit

A Special Permit will be used in circumstances where the Temporary Vehicle Registration is not suitable (e.g. out-of-province vehicles, laden commercial motor vehicles).

The Special Permit will:

* Consist of a decal to be displayed in the windshield of the vehicle and will be valid for 10 days;
* Allow a limit of 2 (two) permits per motor vehicle or unladen commercial motor vehicle within a 365-day period;
* Allow an unlimited number of permits for laden commercial motor vehicles;
* Allow a commercial motor vehicle that is registered in Ontario a higher gross vehicle weight than indicated on the plate portion of the permit; and
* Will allow the movement of a vehicle from one jurisdiction to another (corridor movement).

To apply for a Special Permit take the following items to any ServiceOntario Driver and Vehicle Licence Issuing Office:

* A completed Application for Special Permit
* The original fit vehicle permit/or NVIS;
* If the permit is not registered in your name ensure that the back of the permit is completed and signed by the previous owner (a Bill of Sale can be used for supporting documentation from the person named on the permit); and
* Name of your insurance company and policy number for the vehicle that you are requesting a Special Permit for.
"

Hi Michelb.

What's this 6 day rule your mentioning?

I was thinking of having the car transported to the niagara boarder to avoid the Florida sales tax. How does someone then go about driving the car across the boarder without plates?

Also, if I register the vehicle to my dad's place in Florida and buy the vehicle in Florida can I still qualify for the tax exemption or does the vehicle have to be registered out of state?

I'm getting a Toyota RAV4 so right now it looks like I have to pay:

7% Florida tax
6.1 Import tax
5% GST
8% PST

That's a lot of tax.

[irish80ca]

Forgive me Mangoman. I'm so confused with all the different aspects right now.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

I complete the sale in Florida and get the vehicle shipped to the Niagara falls boarder.

While this is going on I submit my application for a "Special Permit" and include the bill of sale and proof of insurance.

Vehicle arrives at Niagara Falls and I pop on my "Special Permit" and proceed to drive across the boarder and complete the regular import process.

Do I have the right? I can use this permit on a car that has not yet been imported into Canada?

I believe he meant that the MTO wouldn't give temp plates for vehicles that had a bill of sale dated more than 6 days earlier than the day you go into the MTO to try and get them. However, as was pointed out by someone else the other day it seems they now have a "special permit" which should allow folks to proceed (it doesn't make mention of the previous 6 day rule):

"Special Permit

A Special Permit will be used in circumstances where the Temporary Vehicle Registration is not suitable (e.g. out-of-province vehicles, laden commercial motor vehicles).

The Special Permit will:

* Consist of a decal to be displayed in the windshield of the vehicle and will be valid for 10 days;
* Allow a limit of 2 (two) permits per motor vehicle or unladen commercial motor vehicle within a 365-day period;
* Allow an unlimited number of permits for laden commercial motor vehicles;
* Allow a commercial motor vehicle that is registered in Ontario a higher gross vehicle weight than indicated on the plate portion of the permit; and
* Will allow the movement of a vehicle from one jurisdiction to another (corridor movement).

To apply for a Special Permit take the following items to any ServiceOntario Driver and Vehicle Licence Issuing Office:

* A completed Application for Special Permit
* The original fit vehicle permit/or NVIS;
* If the permit is not registered in your name ensure that the back of the permit is completed and signed by the previous owner (a Bill of Sale can be used for supporting documentation from the person named on the permit); and
* Name of your insurance company and policy number for the vehicle that you are requesting a Special Permit for.
"

[michelb]

I believe he meant that the MTO wouldn't give temp plates for vehicles that had a bill of sale dated more than 6 days earlier than the day you go into the MTO to try and get them. However, as was pointed out by someone else the other day it seems they now have a "special permit" which should allow folks to proceed (it doesn't make mention of the previous 6 day rule):
..."

Thanks for the clarification mangoman, that's exactly what I was referring to but I hadn't realized that they removed the 6 day rule (before they would only give you temp permit up in the following 6 days after the sale (which was pretty stupid anyway, when I went, they just told me to get the seller to fax me a new bill-of-sale with today's date on it so that they could issue me one...)).

[mangoman]

Sorry for some reason I thought you meant the Cdn Niagara Falls - my bad. You can get temp plates on the NY side with almost the same procedure (need the "proof of ownership" (one of these: title/MCO/MSO/NVIS) to show the DMV, bill of sale and binder letter from your insurance to show that the vehicle is insured - their temp plates are good for 30 days and costs $10). To cover your butt (in case you meet any overzealous police officers in Ontario), I would also get the Ontario Special plates for $15 as you mentioned (you'll need your MSO/NVIS given to you by the Fla. dealer that states it's a new vehicle to show Ontario it's a 'fit' vehicle).

NY DMV in-transit plate info link (http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/register.htm#temporary)

NY DMV in-transit application form mv82itp (http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/forms.htm#mv82itp)


Forgive me Mangoman. I'm so confused with all the different aspects right now.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

I complete the sale in Florida and get the vehicle shipped to the Niagara falls boarder.

While this is going on I submit my application for a "Special Permit" and include the bill of sale and proof of insurance.

Vehicle arrives at Niagara Falls and I pop on my "Special Permit" and proceed to drive across the boarder and complete the regular import process.

Do I have the right? I can use this permit on a car that has not yet been imported into Canada?

[michelb]

Forgive me Mangoman. I'm so confused with all the different aspects right now.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

I complete the sale in Florida and get the vehicle shipped to the Niagara falls boarder.

While this is going on I submit my application for a "Special Permit" and include the bill of sale and proof of insurance.

Vehicle arrives at Niagara Falls and I pop on my "Special Permit" and proceed to drive across the boarder and complete the regular import process.

Do I have the right? I can use this permit on a car that has not yet been imported into Canada?

That's correct. MTO *should* be able to give you a special permit before the car is imported (that's kind of the point of the special permit). I would call your local MTO and ask them what they need - it's possible they'll want the US title or maybe a copy.

I would also check with the dealer in Florida; maybe they can give you an FL temp permit without you having to pay tax if you are exporting it (I've heard both; one dealer said that if they gave me a temp tag, they had to charge FL tax even if it was shipped, another said that they could give me a temp tag without charging tax if it was shipped (except that when I bought from him, he didn't actually give me the temp tag. He said he just forgot but it's possible that he couldn't do it)).

[ibinlurking]

If anyone here has any hopes of automakers adjusting their prices to meet US prices I think we can all just dream on.

The sheeple continue to flock in record numbers to gladly overpay and get hosed by Canadian dealers. I guess my salesmen at Honda wasn't kidding when he told me he's never been busier.

http://www.canadiandriver.com/thenews/2008/08/04/canadian-vehicle-sales-rise-in-july.htm

I think it is quite possible actually. We just need to run some simple and effective champagne, preferably on the public street in front of car dealerships to remind people that they are pay 20-30% more north of the boarder while the Canadian GDP per capita is actually lower. While that won't stop everyone from buying a new car. It will certainly do enough to shift the demand and most likely result in lower Canadian MSRP.

The Volvo $3000 inspection actually really helps the cause. The poor lady that paid $1950 must have a receipt for it. Show copy of that in front of a Volvo dealership and see how much it hurts them. Maybe they will even end up refund her the money as a good will.

Certainly somebody has to organize this. I suck as an organizer, but I certainly am willing to contribute what I can. Unlike the TekSavvy organized protest on net neutrality. It is very easy to stir up emotion when a person or family is about to make a big financial decision. I think this will be much more effective in terms of changing the current market status quo.

[Anessa]

I would be willing to organize but I dont know where to start from...

[ibinlurking]

I would be willing to organize but I dont know where to start from...

Also, which brand/dealer to start with? Start with the popular brands/dealer? Or automaker that has new model coming out that the MRSP has yet been set? IIRC, the price differential of the Audi A5 is less than the A4 because the A5 is the newer model and Audi set the MSRP lower from the get go. Acura is introducing 09 TL. Mercedes has the GLK in the pipeline.

What is the champagne strategy? While the automakers are in fact greedy, making them look greedy probably isn't the best way to go. I think appeal directly to the less well informed consumer will be better. We shouldn't encourage people to buy from the US or discourage people from buying a new car. But merely point it out that the Canadian dealer has to "help us help the Canadian local business" by making the price more reasonable.

What kind of argument will dealer/automaker deploy to defend the higher price? How to counter their argument... etc.

Anyways, this is getting a little OT for this thread. But I would love to see that at least some of us give this a try.

[mangoman]

I thought you were going to offer champagne to potential customers with all the savings as part of your campaign! ;) Actually if you had a display of the number of bottles of Dom Perignon you could buy with the savings you might actually have an effect! We can call it the Champagne Campaign! Just kidding around.

Maybe a simple pamphlet that you could distribute from the sidewalk to potential customers would be pretty effective?

...

What is the champagne strategy? ...

[michelb]

I think it is quite possible actually ...

Maybe I'm not as optimistic as others but I don't think there's any way that in the near future, prices will go down in Canada. There's just no reason for manufacturers to do it. US Imports are coming in at record numbers but it's still only barely 10% of the Canadian market and 1/2 of the imports are by dealerships (which just resell them at a profit in Canada) so imports by individuals are only affecting about 5% of sales. Why would manufacturers reduce their prices 10 to 30% to regain 5% of sales? As pointed out by another member yesterday, car sales are still doing great in Canada.

The Volvo example really sucks but that's the individual dealership (or maybe the region). I called the Volvo dealership in Ottawa about 1-2 months ago and was told that it was a 1 hour inspection and maybe a fee for the letter (can't remember). Certainly not $2000-$3000.

[ibinlurking]

Maybe I'm not as optimistic as others but I don't think there's any way that in the near future, prices will go down in Canada. There's just no reason for manufacturers to do it. US Imports are coming in at record numbers but it's still only barely 10% of the Canadian market and 1/2 of the imports are by dealerships (which just resell them at a profit in Canada) so imports by individuals are only affecting about 5% of sales. Why would manufacturers reduce their prices 10 to 30% to regain 5% of sales? As pointed out by another member yesterday, car sales are still doing great in Canada.

The Volvo example really sucks but that's the individual dealership (or maybe the region). I called the Volvo dealership in Ottawa about 1-2 months ago and was told that it was a 1 hour inspection and maybe a fee for the letter (can't remember). Certainly not $2000-$3000.

They will not drop price to regain 5% of sales. However, the champagne is to actually discourage new car purchase. What I said previously is that I don't think that should be the champagne slogan. The only way to impact Canadian MSRP is in fact to change the demand.

If you make people realize that they are paying more or getting less of a deal. Then the demand will shift. Keep in mind that not everyone is aware of the US/Canadian price differential. Some might know that there is a difference, but they might not know to what extent. People on RFD are the more informed customers.

A pamphlet with executive summary of the situation, clarification on some common misconceptions, FAQ and a clear guide to alternative solution can probably go a long way in shifting the demand.

I agree with you that all I have for now is a conjecture. But I think it is something worth trying. The key is to make aware and remind Canadian consumer that you are paying more. On magazine, on Ikea furniture, on your computer, ipod, and not just on your car.

[bpp]

It is worth calling the Ministry of Transportation to make sure that the Special Permit will work for you. When I spoke to them last week, I was told that they require the original title or NVIS which they will keep when they issue the permit. This will be a problem for you since you require the original copy of the title in order to export from the US.

Forgive me Mangoman. I'm so confused with all the different aspects right now.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

I complete the sale in Florida and get the vehicle shipped to the Niagara falls boarder.

While this is going on I submit my application for a "Special Permit" and include the bill of sale and proof of insurance.

Vehicle arrives at Niagara Falls and I pop on my "Special Permit" and proceed to drive across the boarder and complete the regular import process.

Do I have the right? I can use this permit on a car that has not yet been imported into Canada?

[mangoman]

Definitely worth a phone call to the MTO but that does sound incorrect to me as how would you register the vehicle later in Ontario without the NVIS/Title/MSO? When I bought a new car in Quebec I had to give the NVIS in when I plated the car in Ontario. They should only require to see/photocopy the NVIS/MSO/title for the special permit (as in NY state)

It is worth calling the Ministry of Transportation to make sure that the Special Permit will work for you. When I spoke to them last week, I was told that they require the original title or NVIS which they will keep when they issue the permit. This will be a problem for you since you require the original copy of the title in order to export from the US.

[cynick]

Instead of getting Canadian plates, can you get CAA to tow it from Niagara Falls? Will they tow a car with temporary plates that just happened to burn a fuse? :)


Sorry for some reason I thought you meant the Cdn Niagara Falls - my bad. You can get temp plates on the NY side with almost the same procedure (need the "proof of ownership" (one of these: title/MCO/MSO/NVIS) to show the DMV, bill of sale and binder letter from your insurance to show that the vehicle is insured - their temp plates are good for 30 days and costs $10). To cover your butt (in case you meet any overzealous police officers in Ontario), I would also get the Ontario Special plates for $15 as you mentioned (you'll need your MSO/NVIS given to you by the Fla. dealer that states it's a new vehicle to show Ontario it's a 'fit' vehicle).

NY DMV in-transit plate info link (http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/register.htm#temporary)

NY DMV in-transit application form mv82itp (http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/forms.htm#mv82itp)

[mangoman]

update:


volvo_inspection_update (http://www.carswithoutborders.com/2008/08/06/good-news-volvo-canada-backs-down-and-transport-canada-supports-canadians/)

http://www.carswithoutborders.com/2008/08/01/volvo-canada-and-us-double-up-put-boots-to-canadians/#more-914

Located in New Jersey, Volvo North America has ended the practice of providing Canadians that purchased vehicles in the U.S. with a recall and safety compliance letter.

...


despicable behaviour...

[michelb]

update:


volvo_inspection_update (http://www.carswithoutborders.com/2008/08/06/good-news-volvo-canada-backs-down-and-transport-canada-supports-canadians/)

That is awesome news. I hope someone can confirm this with is true with Volvo, Benz, BMW and others.

[jakemtl]

update:


volvo_inspection_update (http://www.carswithoutborders.com/2008/08/06/good-news-volvo-canada-backs-down-and-transport-canada-supports-canadians/)

That is great news, about time! Although I just called the 2 volvo dealers in Vermont and both claim that they are not allowed to sell cars to Canadians. Waiting to hear back from a couple in NY state.

[shopper-X]

update:


volvo_inspection_update (http://www.carswithoutborders.com/2008/08/06/good-news-volvo-canada-backs-down-and-transport-canada-supports-canadians/)

Only issue I see is now is these manufatures saying "no more warranty, from this point on" on imported vehicles.

[cinqhoda]

Only issue I see is now is these manufatures saying "no more warranty, from this point on" on imported vehicles.

And then... will they sell you a factory warranty package if you get the dealer inspection?

[scrolllock]

Certainly somebody has to organize this. I suck as an organizer, but I certainly am willing to contribute what I can. .


That is what we are trying to do at CarsWithoutBorders, if you can help out or volunteer a few hours a day, let them know.



Thanks

[zircon]

Only issue I see is now is these manufatures saying "no more warranty, from this point on" on imported vehicles.

Just don't buy their product! Companies like Volvo are on the cusp of shutting down, so every sale counts. If they want to play hardball like Honda, let them. You are not forced to buy. Infiniti, Subaru, Audi, Lexus, Toyota, all honour warranties and don't make life difficult (Subie is close) - buy from them.

[shopper-X]

Just don't buy their product! Companies like Volvo are on the cusp of shutting down, so every sale counts. If they want to play hardball like Honda, let them. You are not forced to buy. Infiniti, Subaru, Audi, Lexus, Toyota, all honour warranties and don't make life difficult (Subie is close) - buy from them.

Already bought a 2007 Subie and very happy. :D

[Indijones]

I asked for a quote from a Toyota dealer in Oakville for 2009 Corolla LE (Base) by email. First the salesman quoted the MSRP and when I told him that I wasn't interested in MSRP, he sent me a mail asking me "What number do I need to do to earn your business?". What price should I ask for? Just a couple of days back, my father-in-law living in the US bought one in Pennsylvania for around $20,000 US including all taxes.

[diigii]

That is classic Canadian salesman counter offer b******t. Now that he threw the ball on your court, tell him you want his invoice cost as your purchase price for him to earn your business. If he replies with more b******t, then you should go to the US and save money like how your father-in-law did. Go to edmunds.com to get the invoice cost of your Sienna LE and give that amount or offer him to get close to the US price. I'm sure he'll insult you with his reply. Then you should just tell him then you're taking your business elsewhere.

I asked for a quote from a Toyota dealer in Oakville for 2009 LE (Base) by email. First the salesman quoted the MSRP and when I told him that I wasn't interested in MSRP, he sent me a mail asking me "What number do I need to do to earn your business?". What price should I ask for? Just a couple of days back, my father-in-law living in the US bought one in Pennsylvania for around $20,000 US including all taxes.

[michelb]

I asked for a quote from a Toyota dealer in Oakville for 2009 Corolla LE (Base) by email. First the salesman quoted the MSRP and when I told him that I wasn't interested in MSRP, he sent me a mail asking me "What number do I need to do to earn your business?". What price should I ask for? Just a couple of days back, my father-in-law living in the US bought one in Pennsylvania for around $20,000 US including all taxes.

I don't know how much you can save off MSRP in Canada since they are pretty new but you might be able to get $20k CND (including freight) + tax. In the US you can do a bit better - you should be able to get it for around $17-18k US + tax but after the exchange, import costs (travel / shipping / whatever) you might not be that much ahead (and then you have to live with a US car with miles on speedo / odo and you'll likely lose on the resale as well).

I think if you are set on that car, you're probably better off buying in Canada.

[Anonymouse]

Does anybody know if the 2008 Honda Accord Sedan comes with a conforming immobilizer?

Also, I notice that you have to contact Honda now to confirm admissibility of 2009 models. This seems like a step backward.

[northeastwind]

Then what if buying a used toyota vehicle. would it be easy to find a dealer?

[mangoman]

Anyone notice the Cdn dollar today? Ugh! >:( Still worth it in most cases but those buying non-North American built may want to check their calculations. Glad I didn't wait as was advised a short while back. Although with today's rate others may now want to wait a bit for the dollar to pop back some if the savings in their case aren't there.

Predictions are just that ... predictions.

[ottofly]

Anyone notice the Cdn dollar today? Ugh! >:( Still worth it in most cases but those buying non-North American built may want to check their calculations. Glad I didn't wait as was advised a short while back. Although with today's rate others may now want to wait a bit for the dollar to pop back some if the savings in their case aren't there.

Predictions are just that ... predictions.

I've noticed. Now at .9365 as I type. The EURO has lost 3 full euro cents since yesterday alone. The US dollars has had a huge rally these past 2 weeks. Traders see the EURO as very overvalued and are switching to the US dollar. Our advantage is very quickly diminishing.

Kudos to you for a great call a while back.

[mangoman]

Not really a great call as much as it was me having learned not to be greedy and being happy with making a deal around parity. What's that saying about "a bird in hand" and "two in the bush"? ;)

I've noticed. Now at .9365 as I type. The EURO has lost 3 full euro cents since yesterday alone. The US dollars has had a huge rally these past 2 weeks. Traders see the EURO as very overvalued and are switching to the US dollar. Our advantage is very quickly diminishing.

Kudos to you for a great call a while back.

[hagbard]

I've noticed. Now at .9365 as I type. The EURO has lost 3 full euro cents since yesterday alone. The US dollars has had a huge rally these past 2 weeks. Traders see the EURO as very overvalued and are switching to the US dollar. Our advantage is very quickly diminishing.

Kudos to you for a great call a while back.

Won't last.

[Lost Horizon]

...

Look for the CDN dollar well over $1 in the coming months ... of this there is no doubt. Like I stated recently, if you're in the market to buy a vehicle, be patient and you will be rewarded ... if you're not in the market but want to make an easy 30% or so on your investment(s), buy gold TODAY ... you can thank me by the end of this year when it breaks $1200.

Bookmark my posts, as I have nothing to hide ... FACTS will prove me right.


But, sometimes you can be Long and Wrong in the buying time frame... The dollar is not only down verses the american, it's off against the Euro and the pound.. so if you needed a car 2 months ago and waited, and now have to pull the trigger, facts are facts..

Noone absolutely knows the day the bottom hits, and no one knows how to time the markets with certainty. If they did, there would be no market.

[mplsv]

But, sometimes you can be Long and Wrong in the buying time frame... The dollar is not only down verses the american, it's off against the Euro and the pound.. so if you needed a car 2 months ago and waited, and now have to pull the trigger, facts are facts..

Noone absolutely knows the day the bottom hits, and no one knows how to time the markets with certainty. If they did, there would be no market.

I don't disagree that it's next to impossible to pick the day. But if you understand history and know the fundamentals of why things are the way they are today, you can make a very educated guess as to a general timeframe. You know that we were at $1.10 for a very brief period already. If our situation has not deteriorated vis-a-vis the US since then, nor against Europe or GB, where do you think the CDN $ should be in the near future? What do you think will happen when gold starts its run in days, not months, when oil doesn't fall below $110, when the US financial problems exacerbate within a month, when the DOW falls below 11 000?

The CDN dollar is a huge momentum play. Its fall very recently is akin to the blow-off we had when it jumped to $1.10 last year. It will all happen again soon. The Euro will break $1.6 US on its way to eventually breaking $2.

Your point about needing a car two months ago ... if you need a car urgently, then none of my advice is useful. I repeat, for at least the third time, if you can wait, knowing the targets I provided, relax and wait and then take advantage.

[scrolllock]

Also, I notice that you have to contact Honda now to confirm admissibility of 2009 models. This seems like a step backward.

Please note... do not contact Honda they will just frustrate you.....

According to the RIV and Transport Canada if the Car passes the Canadian Tire Inspection you are ok... read through the last few posts on this site (http://www.carswithoutborders.com/) for the full story.

You need to make sure you conform to all the safety standards as outlines on the first page.. ... DRLs that can't be turned off ..immobilizer... etc...

We were told that Transport Canada is attempting to re-write the clause so it is not so confusing...

Why are you buying a Honda anyway.. they treat Canadians like #####, buy a Toyota,Subaru...something you know will work 5 years down the road... a vehicle with a warranty....

[donjuancarlos]

Does anybody know if the 2008 Honda Accord Sedan comes with a conforming immobilizer?


They do. My import was painless.


Why are you buying a Honda anyway.. they treat Canadians like #####, buy a Toyota,Subaru...something you know will work 5 years down the road... a vehicle with a warranty....


I actually agree despite being a Honda fan. I would have bought a Camry, but I can't sit up straight in one.

[Lost Horizon]

I don't disagree ... You know that we were at $1.10 for a very brief period already...

The CDN dollar is a huge momentum play. Its fall very recently is akin to the blow-off we had when it jumped to $1.10 last year. It will all happen again soon. The Euro will break $1.6 US on its way to eventually breaking $2.

Your point about needing a car two months ago ... if you need a car urgently, then none of my advice is useful. I repeat, for at least the third time, if you can wait, knowing the targets I provided, relax and wait and then take advantage.

Thx for clairfying and putting the right caveats up for the folks who may not be up on market momentum. Like anything, they need to focus their decision on where things are at the time they pull the trigger. To delay or whatever is really a form of futures speculation. The deal simply has to make sense on the day they pull the trigger. The rest is trying to time the market. Any many well baked hedge funds with infinitely more resources have failed at that over time also.

The $1.10 spike was related to the Chinese dumping a whack of US$ in a hurry. So that wasn't fundamentals, it was manufactured. Old news. And once the dump was over, it didn't last long.

Just so the folks know. <end of hijack>

[donjuancarlos]

We have just come off a pile of bad economic news.

Oil is way down.

However, we can be confident on Middle Eastern unrest escalating again, as sure as the sun rises, which will push up the price of oil. Good Canadian economic news will reappear. A frantic decision is never a good one.

[mplsv]

Thx for clairfying and putting the right caveats up for the folks who may not be up on market momentum. Like anything, they need to focus their decision on where things are at the time they pull the trigger. To delay or whatever is really a form of futures speculation. The deal simply has to make sense on the day they pull the trigger. The rest is trying to time the market. Any many well baked hedge funds with infinitely more resources have failed at that over time also.

The $1.10 spike was related to the Chinese dumping a whack of US$ in a hurry. So that wasn't fundamentals, it was manufactured. Old news. And once the dump was over, it didn't last long.

Just so the folks know. <end of hijack>

... and you don't think a similar dump of foreign central bank holdings of US Treasuries at $1.10 taking it to $1.15 can't happen?

... and you don't think this spike to .7575 USDX is manufactured?

... and you don't think fundamentals will continue to tank the US dollar?

Come on now ... facts are facts.

If you can wait to buy, wait until my targets are hit.

[Anessa]

update:


volvo_inspection_update (http://www.carswithoutborders.com/2008/08/06/good-news-volvo-canada-backs-down-and-transport-canada-supports-canadians/)

One down. Now, BMW and Mercedes need to get on their knees...lol

[Indijones]

I got a quote from a Toyota dealer in Toronto that includes $399 registration fee and $10-$90 Licensing fee based on birthday. What are these? Do I have to pay $399 for registration or they are just pumping it up?

[Danno2005]

I got a quote from a Toyota dealer in Toronto that includes $399 registration fee and $10-$90 Licensing fee based on birthday. What are these? Do I have to pay $399 for registration or they are just pumping it up?

They are hosing us 'cause they can.

[irish80ca]

Thanks again for this information Mangoman.

I thought everything would be good to role now but now the dealership in Florida is saying that they think I'd still need to pay the sales tax even if I ship the RAV4 to Niagara Falls. Apparently I need to register the vehicle to my dad's Florida address in order to complete the sale and if it's registered to the Florida address then I have to pay the sales taxes even if I ship direct from the dealer to Niagara Falls.

Would you, or anyone else here, know if this is correct? I do not want to pay $1700 in Florida taxes if it can be avoided.



Sorry for some reason I thought you meant the Cdn Niagara Falls - my bad. You can get temp plates on the NY side with almost the same procedure (need the "proof of ownership" (one of these: title/MCO/MSO/NVIS) to show the DMV, bill of sale and binder letter from your insurance to show that the vehicle is insured - their temp plates are good for 30 days and costs $10). To cover your butt (in case you meet any overzealous police officers in Ontario), I would also get the Ontario Special plates for $15 as you mentioned (you'll need your MSO/NVIS given to you by the Fla. dealer that states it's a new vehicle to show Ontario it's a 'fit' vehicle).

NY DMV in-transit plate info link (http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/register.htm#temporary)

NY DMV in-transit application form mv82itp (http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/forms.htm#mv82itp)

[mangoman]

I believe the dealer is actually right if the registered buyer (your dad) is a resident of Florida and I think you said the Toyota dealer won't sell new if you're not a US resident. See the excerpts below:

http://dor.myflorida.com/dor/taxes/vehicle_sut.html

Who is Exempt?

Here are examples of motor vehicle sales that are exempt from sales and use tax:

* The seller delivers the vehicle outside of Florida.
* A Florida registered motor vehicle dealer purchases the vehicle for resale or lease.
* A Florida registered export/import company purchases a vehicle for resale and will immediately export it outside of Florida.
* A nonresident dealer who does not have a Florida sales tax number purchases a vehicle for resale or lease.
* A nonprofit organization purchases a vehicle and presents a current Florida Consumer's Certificate of Exemption (DR-14) to the seller.

Here are examples of motor vehicle sales that are partially exempt from sales and use tax:

* If a Florida dealer sells a motor vehicle to a resident of another state that imposes a sales tax of less than 6 percent and the purchaser takes possession of the vehicle in Florida, the purchaser's home state tax rate may be applied to the sale. Other restrictions may apply.
o In order to be eligible for the lower tax rate, the purchaser must give the dealer a completed, notarized Affidavit for Partial Exemption of Motor Vehicle Sold for Licensing in Another State (DR-123). The dealer must keep the affidavit for 3 years.
Example #1: Residents of North Carolina sign the affidavit and pay no sales tax because their state has no sales tax on motor vehicles.
Example #2: Residents of Alabama sign the affidavit and pay 2 percent sales tax because Alabama has a 2 percent sales tax rate on motor vehicles.
o All tax collected must be remitted to the Florida Department of Revenue. The tax should never be sent to the purchaser's home state. For more information, ask Taxpayer Services for a copy of Motor Vehicle Sales Tax Rates by State.
o If a vehicle is purchased by a nonresident corporation or partnership, tax is due if any officer of the corporation, or any stockholder or partner who owns at least 10 percent of the corporation or partnership, is a Florida resident. However, if the vehicle is removed from Florida within 45 days after purchase and remains out of the state for a minimum of 180 days, the purchasing entity may qualify to pay its home state tax rate, despite the residency of its owners, stockholders, or partners.
* The portion of the invoice that the Veterans Administration pays directly to the dealer on behalf of the veteran.

All exemptions must be properly documented. For more information, contact Taxpayer Services (see "Whom to Call").

Thanks again for this information Mangoman.

I thought everything would be good to role now but now the dealership in Florida is saying that they think I'd still need to pay the sales tax even if I ship the RAV4 to Niagara Falls. Apparently I need to register the vehicle to my dad's Florida address in order to complete the sale and if it's registered to the Florida address then I have to pay the sales taxes even if I ship direct from the dealer to Niagara Falls.

Would you, or anyone else here, know if this is correct? I do not want to pay $1700 in Florida taxes if it can be avoided.

[irish80ca]

Ya this seems to be one headache after another now. The dealer just called me and said if I didn't register the vehicle in the states I do not qualify for the $1000 discount the manufacture currently has on the RAV4 V6 models.


Anyone have a Toyota dealership on the east cost they can recommend?


I tried carswithoutboarder.com but was told they have penalty fees that the manufacture charges them for selling to Canadians so that cost is passed along to the buyer. Unfortunately, by doing that, their price ends up a few thousand higher than what the Florida dealer quoted me.


I believe the dealer is actually right if the registered buyer (your dad) is a resident of Florida and I think you said the Toyota dealer won't sell new if you're not a US resident. See the excerpts below:

http://dor.myflorida.com/dor/taxes/vehicle_sut.html

Who is Exempt?

Here are examples of motor vehicle sales that are exempt from sales and use tax:

* The seller delivers the vehicle outside of Florida.
* A Florida registered motor vehicle dealer purchases the vehicle for resale or lease.
* A Florida registered export/import company purchases a vehicle for resale and will immediately export it outside of Florida.
* A nonresident dealer who does not have a Florida sales tax number purchases a vehicle for resale or lease.
* A nonprofit organization purchases a vehicle and presents a current Florida Consumer's Certificate of Exemption (DR-14) to the seller.

Here are examples of motor vehicle sales that are partially exempt from sales and use tax:

* If a Florida dealer sells a motor vehicle to a resident of another state that imposes a sales tax of less than 6 percent and the purchaser takes possession of the vehicle in Florida, the purchaser's home state tax rate may be applied to the sale. Other restrictions may apply.
o In order to be eligible for the lower tax rate, the purchaser must give the dealer a completed, notarized Affidavit for Partial Exemption of Motor Vehicle Sold for Licensing in Another State (DR-123). The dealer must keep the affidavit for 3 years.
Example #1: Residents of North Carolina sign the affidavit and pay no sales tax because their state has no sales tax on motor vehicles.
Example #2: Residents of Alabama sign the affidavit and pay 2 percent sales tax because Alabama has a 2 percent sales tax rate on motor vehicles.
o All tax collected must be remitted to the Florida Department of Revenue. The tax should never be sent to the purchaser's home state. For more information, ask Taxpayer Services for a copy of Motor Vehicle Sales Tax Rates by State.
o If a vehicle is purchased by a nonresident corporation or partnership, tax is due if any officer of the corporation, or any stockholder or partner who owns at least 10 percent of the corporation or partnership, is a Florida resident. However, if the vehicle is removed from Florida within 45 days after purchase and remains out of the state for a minimum of 180 days, the purchasing entity may qualify to pay its home state tax rate, despite the residency of its owners, stockholders, or partners.
* The portion of the invoice that the Veterans Administration pays directly to the dealer on behalf of the veteran.

All exemptions must be properly documented. For more information, contact Taxpayer Services (see "Whom to Call").

[alron]

Sorry if this has been asked already, but I can't look through a million posts...

I live in Ottawa and I'm looking for a smallish car to import. Something like a Toyota Matrix/Nissan Versa/Subaru/etc.

The car doesn't really matter as long as it is somewhat cheap on gas and I can get a decent discount. Does anyone know or have dealt with any dealers somewhat close to the border that would be able to sell? I can go as far as New York city or Philly since I have American friends living there.

[irish80ca]

I'm wondering.... can I purchase in Buffalo, NY and get that "In-transit" permit to drive it across the boarder??

As far as the dealer knows, I'll be driving down to Florida to register the RAV4 down there. This way I avoid the sales taxes, etc.

[johnsa]

Thanks again for this information Mangoman.

I thought everything would be good to role now but now the dealership in Florida is saying that they think I'd still need to pay the sales tax even if I ship the RAV4 to Niagara Falls. Apparently I need to register the vehicle to my dad's Florida address in order to complete the sale and if it's registered to the Florida address then I have to pay the sales taxes even if I ship direct from the dealer to Niagara Falls.

Would you, or anyone else here, know if this is correct? I do not want to pay $1700 in Florida taxes if it can be avoided.

Several FL dealers have told me that they do not have to charge the tax provided the vehicle is shipped to the border...good luck

[johnsa]

Sorry if this has been asked already, but I can't look through a million posts...

I live in Ottawa and I'm looking for a smallish car to import. Something like a Toyota Matrix/Nissan Versa/Subaru/etc.

The car doesn't really matter as long as it is somewhat cheap on gas and I can get a decent discount. Does anyone know or have dealt with any dealers somewhat close to the border that would be able to sell? I can go as far as New York city or Philly since I have American friends living there.

Most of these brands of economy/compact/sub-compact will not get you any rebates as a Cdn purchaser so you will likely only save 1500-2000, not worth it IMOA...

[irish80ca]

Several FL dealers have told me that they do not have to charge the tax provided the vehicle is shipped to the border...good luck

Hi Johnsa.

Did they say if you would have to register the vehicle in the united states?

[johnsa]

Hi Johnsa.

Did they say if you would have to register the vehicle in the united states?

No..just pay for it and have it flat bedded ....

[ITTHL]

Johnsa

How about a MB C63 import from US?
Will it be cheaper?
Will warranty works here in Canada?

I am just wondering

No..just pay for it and have it flat bedded ....

[mangoman]

If you know of a Toyota dealer then maybe you can help out irish80ca and PM the names to him? He could use the price he's getting from the original Fla. dealer to try and get a similar deal.

Several FL dealers have told me that they do not have to charge the tax provided the vehicle is shipped to the border...good luck

[mangoman]

NY will give the in-transit permit for any out-of-state vehicle that needs to be transported through the state to a destination out of the state (they're supposed to write the destination on the back).

Not sure about NYS' tax laws - if they have an exemption for the sales tax if you're a non-resident of NY buying the vehicle then this method would work.

I'm wondering.... can I purchase in Buffalo, NY and get that "In-transit" permit to drive it across the boarder??

As far as the dealer knows, I'll be driving down to Florida to register the RAV4 down there. This way I avoid the sales taxes, etc.

[HP_John]

I'm wondering.... can I purchase in Buffalo, NY and get that "In-transit" permit to drive it across the boarder??

As far as the dealer knows, I'll be driving down to Florida to register the RAV4 down there. This way I avoid the sales taxes, etc.

You can get the in-transit permit to drive it into Canada. However, once in Canada you're supposed to get another permit from your provincial ministry of transportation.

I have no idea about the 2nd part of your question.

[kergoz]

You can get the in-transit permit to drive it into Canada. However, once in Canada you're supposed to get another permit from your provincial ministry of transportation.

I have no idea about the 2nd part of your question.

I recently drove with the NY permit from Buffalo to Montreal via the QEW and had no problems however I believe you are not supposed to. I still dont understand why its a problem..why is it ok for someone with permanent New York plates to drive into Canada but its not ok for a temporary registration from New York. I had full insurance as well on the vehicle..my insurance company gave me 20 days to get Quebec plates before the insurance would be cut off which was plenty of time.

[michelb]

I'm wondering.... can I purchase in Buffalo, NY and get that "In-transit" permit to drive it across the boarder??

As far as the dealer knows, I'll be driving down to Florida to register the RAV4 down there. This way I avoid the sales taxes, etc.

Several FL dealers have told me that they do not have to charge the tax provided the vehicle is shipped to the border...good luck

No..just pay for it and have it flat bedded ....

The problem with the poster is that the dealership is probably insisting that he has a US address and he's using one in Florida so whether or not he's exporting, the dealers is taxing based on his residence address.

Buying in Buffalo might not help since it's possible that NY and FL have a tax agreement so that if you are a Florida resident, the NY dealer MUST collect taxes (not sure if they do have an agreement or not).

[scrolllock]

I recently drove with the NY permit from Buffalo to Montreal via the QEW and had no problems however I believe you are not supposed to. I still dont understand why its a problem..why is it ok for someone with permanent New York plates to drive into Canada but its not ok for a temporary registration from New York. I had full insurance as well on the vehicle..my insurance company gave me 20 days to get Quebec plates before the insurance would be cut off which was plenty of time.

We called the Ontario folks a few weeks ago about driving through Ontario to Quebec with a temporary out of state in transit permit from Michigan. They said it was ok.

Quebec though told us we needed a temporary once we hit the border. The RIV and Border folks told us that we just needed to keep our papers in the Glove compartment at all times. Conflicting stories.

Proceed with caution...

20 - 40 cars a day go thru the Champlain border crossing, with temporary state permit, we don't hear about them stopping and putting on a Quebec temp.

[johnsa]

Johnsa

How about a MB C63 import from US?
Will it be cheaper?
Will warranty works here in Canada?

I am just wondering

Sorry,can't help you with that..have not done any research on MB...do some searches on here...many many postings on MB..good luck

[zircon]

Just completed licensing of an 08 Audi TT 2.0 coupe. Car needed no changes to bumper or lights. Daytime lights could be defeated, so I had them turned on and put a small piece of black tape on the console where it said DRL. Did the trick. One would have to read the manual to figure out the switches, so it passed. I leave them on anyway. Final cost 44800 on the road, vs 65500 in Canada. 20K savings.

[scouzi]

Just completed licensing of an 08 Audi TT 2.0 coupe. Car needed no changes to bumper or lights. Daytime lights could be defeated, so I had them turned on and put a small piece of black tape on the console where it said DRL. Did the trick. One would have to read the manual to figure out the switches, so it passed. I leave them on anyway. Final cost 44800 on the road, vs 65500 in Canada. 20K savings.

How did you get a dealer to sell you a NEW Audi?

[zircon]

How did you get a dealer to sell you a NEW Audi?

It wasn't new. It has 9K miles and Audi certified. I think Audi dealers are prevented from selling new to Canucks.

[bkid]

Just a question to those who are worried about Sales Tax being paid to the dealer. How about finding a dealer in states like NH or Delaware? They have 0 sales tax.

[scouzi]

According to this article, it appears that Subaru is putting pressure on their dealers in the US to stop the practice of selling to Canadians.

Did anybody encounter this recently?

http://www.macleans.ca/business/economy/article.jsp?content=20080806_54958_54958&page=1

[rjmbc]

According to this article, it appears that Subaru is putting pressure on their dealers in the US to stop the practice of selling to Canadians.

Did anybody encounter this recently?

http://www.macleans.ca/business/economy/article.jsp?content=20080806_54958_54958&page=1

Just had a dealer in Oregon tell me he could not sell to Canadians (last week) so we used a "work around". Other dealers (in Washington) appear to be advertising to the Canadian consumers but are quoting higher prices but still discounting off of MSRP. Seems to be a mixed message.

[bkid]

What was the workaround?

Just had a dealer in Oregon tell me he could not sell to Canadians (last week) so we used a "work around". Other dealers (in Washington) appear to be advertising to the Canadian consumers but are quoting higher prices but still discounting off of MSRP. Seems to be a mixed message.

[LoveRFD]

According to this article, it appears that Subaru is putting pressure on their dealers in the US to stop the practice of selling to Canadians.

Did anybody encounter this recently?

http://www.macleans.ca/business/economy/article.jsp?content=20080806_54958_54958&page=1

In this article, it says "Toyota sells its made-in-Canada Matrix for about $400 less in Canada. " How can this be true?

[Danno2005]

In this article, it says "Toyota sells its made-in-Canada Matrix for about $400 less in Canada. " How can this be true?

Hard to say unless you see their source of information.

What I think they miss big time is that US car pricing is based on discount off invoice while Cdn's discount off MSRP. If articles such as Macleans do not reflect off invoice US pricing they are not showing the true transaction price. As well, they ignore the delivery charges which can be 2x the US cost. If you want an eye opener, just go to fitzmall.com and check the pricing of a new Hyundau Azerra - with taxes and shipping costs it works out to be about 50%of the Canadian MSRP.

[Monsieurmaggot]

That's so true.

Nobody in Canada talks invoice pricing. Dealers here like to stick to MSRP and work down. Then in the end they nail you for full PDI, administration and grabs like security etching.

The closest thing here is the fleet pricing offered by the likes of membership groups like APA but in the end, they're nowhere near true invoice pricing.

In the US, you can easily see invoice pricing and in some cases actually find out what the additional incentives are. All manufacturers give additional discounts and "throw ins" to their dealers like holdbacks, cash rebates, added no charge options and accessories. The trick is to find out what options are free to the dealer.

[yenjay]

Hi folks ,
I got a Price for a Toyota Sienna 2004 XLE AWD ,Leather` and ,DVD – 45,000 KMs in Toronto for 26,500 (on the road price) .I sit a good price. I was also trying to fall your route of buying it from US ,but it seems the Canadian dealers are catching up ?.

Regards
YenJay

[mangoman]

I hope your tongue was firmly planted in your cheek when you posted that - right?

In case it wasn't - that doesn't sound good at all for a 4 yr old vehicle? Wouldn't you be better off looking for the same or newer down south?

Hi folks ,
I got a Price for a Toyota Sienna 2004 XLE AWD ,Leather` and ,DVD – 45,000 KMs in Toronto for 26,500 (on the road price) .I sit a good price. I was also trying to fall your route of buying it from US ,but it seems the Canadian dealers are catching up ?.

Regards
YenJay

[Anonymouse]

FYI, I just called Volvo Canada and they told me that Volvo Canada will not honour the 6 year 100000 mile extended warranty that comes on many of these cars on the second hand market. They will honour a 4 year 80000 km warranty on the 2006 V70 I'm looking at.

[michelb]

Hi folks ,
I got a Price for a Toyota Sienna 2004 XLE AWD ,Leather` and ,DVD – 45,000 KMs in Toronto for 26,500 (on the road price) .I sit a good price. I was also trying to fall your route of buying it from US ,but it seems the Canadian dealers are catching up ?.

Regards
YenJay

I hope your tongue was firmly planted in your cheek when you posted that - right?

In case it wasn't - that doesn't sound good at all for a 4 yr old vehicle? Wouldn't you be better off looking for the same or newer down south?

Yeah, I'm with mangoman. That sounds likes the kind of prices that were available in Ottawa when we bought ours.

For what it's worth, earlier this year, we bought/imported a 06 Sienna Limited (not AWD) with 32000km and with Nav + DVD, HID + laser cruise and power 3rd row for $23000US (plus about $1000 to ship from Miami to Northern NY). I then had to pay taxes after import so in all, I paid about $100 more than your price but I did get a 2 year old newer vehicle (yours has AWD, mine has NAV, HID, power 3rd row and front/rear parking sensor so I think that comes out pretty even) (and we also bought ours about 6 months ago so prices would have gone down a bit since).

[michelb]

FYI, I just called Volvo Canada and they told me that Volvo Canada will not honour the 6 year 100000 mile extended warranty that comes on many of these cars on the second hand market. They will honour a 4 year 80000 km warranty on the 2006 V70 I'm looking at.

Did you contact Volvo USA and ask them? I believe Volvo warranties are North America wide so it should be valid although it's possible that for the extended warranty you have to do like Subaru and get reimbursed by the US arm.

[icansteve]

I was told that RIV has to wait around 72 hours to get the form1 from somewhere(I suppose it's the customs office at the border).
They can email me the form2 once they get the form1.

I faxed the form1 with the recall letter and receipt but they need one from the border office.
Not mentioned in this forum.:confused:

Somebody wrote they got the form2 right after they fax the recall letter. How can this happen then.
Just curious. I had to cancell the inspection scheduled today though.

Gee~~~~

[PrimeBane]

Canada customs at the border always faxes form 1 in for you. After they receive it along with the recall letter, it can take up to 48 hours for them to email you form 2. It all depends on how busy they are.

You might also want to make sure they have your correct information... when I got my email with my form 2 they had my name and address completely wrong (the lady at Canada customs must have had brutal hand writing).

[Anonymouse]

Did you contact Volvo USA and ask them? I believe Volvo warranties are North America wide so it should be valid although it's possible that for the extended warranty you have to do like Subaru and get reimbursed by the US arm.

Hee. Called Volvo US and they say that the 6 year 100000 mile warranty will be honoured in Canada, but the Certified Pre Owned program will not be. I guess I'll need to get all this in writing or record a conversation with customer service about it.

[michelb]

Hee. Called Volvo US and they say that the 6 year 100000 mile warranty will be honoured in Canada, but the Certified Pre Owned program will not be. I guess I'll need to get all this in writing or record a conversation with customer service about it.

In that case, you probably have to confirm which warranty you're getting; if the certified pre-owned program isn't honored, you probably don't get the 6/100 CPO (certified pre-owned) warranty (as well as roadside assistance and other CPO stuff). You need to check if the vehicle also has a VIP extended warranty since that appears to be the one that's going to be valid - if it doesn't have a VIP warranty, then Volvo Canada is kind of right, you will lose the extended warranty.

Sounds like they are doing the same thing as Toyota does with their 'certified used vehicle' program (or whatever it's called)

[Anonymouse]

Thanks- I was not aware that the 6 year 100000 mile warranty was a CPO warranty. The ad for the car I'm interested in says "extended 6 year 100000 mile warranty" and also mentions that it's a CPO car, so they must be talking about CPO.

[vrfd]

got a Q...

can i tell if a vehicle has been imported from the US by looking at its VIN #?
ie: is the "Country of origin" related to the "Manufacturing Plant" or the -market- it is sold in?

ex: VIN: 5FNRL38235Bxxxxxx gives:

(btw, i've never seen this kind pattern of 1st 3 digits (5FN) in a VIN for a honda..usually 2Hx, 1Hx)

VIN Properties

Vehicle Serial-Number xxxxxx
Country of Origin United States
Manufacturing Plant Lincoln, Alabama
Model Name/Code ODYS
Model Number RL3825EW
Trim Level LX
Body Type Van
Engine Description 3.5 Liter VTEC
...

thx

[mangoman]

Value of 1 to 5 in position number 1 is made in N. America.

Country of origin relates to the manufacturing plant - can't tell where it was first sold though.


got a Q...

can i tell if a vehicle has been imported from the US by looking at its VIN #?
ie: is the "Country of origin" related to the "Manufacturing Plant" or the -market- it is sold in?

ex: VIN: 5FNRL38235Bxxxxxx gives:

(btw, i've never seen this kind pattern of 1st 3 digits (5FN) in a VIN for a honda..usually 2Hx, 1Hx)

VIN Properties

Vehicle Serial-Number xxxxxx
Country of Origin United States
Manufacturing Plant Lincoln, Alabama
Model Name/Code ODYS
Model Number RL3825EW
Trim Level LX
Body Type Van
Engine Description 3.5 Liter VTEC
...

thx

[vrfd]

Value of 1 to 5 in position number 1 is made in N. America.

Country of origin relates to the manufacturing plant - can't tell where it was first sold though.

thx for your reply.

i was looking for a quick way, while in a used car lot, to see if i'm looking an imported veh or a Canadian veh (and make sure the dealer in not trying to pass a US veh for Cdn)

how do i easily find out? (i was hoping to using the VIN as a quick check)

[mangoman]

Hmm - well if it was imported correctly, then it should have a RIV sticker on the door jamb somewhere. If that fails, you could check the speedometer (if it's not digital) to see which is the "dominant" unit (km/h or mph) and failing that you can ante up some $ and run the VIN through Carfax or an equivalent service and it should tell you who registered the vehicle first.

thx for your reply.

i was looking for a quick way, while in a used car lot, to see if i'm looking an imported veh or a Canadian veh (and make sure the dealer in not trying to pass a US veh for Cdn)

how do i easily find out? (i was hoping to using the VIN as a quick check)

[irish80ca]

HELP!!!!

I can't make up my mind.

I have 2 offers on the table.

Option #1:
2008 RAV4 4x4 V6 Limited in Blizzard Pearl.
Sunroof
JBL Stereo
Daytime running lights
Tint
Rear Bumper protector
Exclusive LIFETIMEwarranty direct from Toyota that is valid in Canada.
Yes, a lifetime warranty. First time i ever heard of it.

Total out the door cost: $28,900USD located in Florida.

Option #2
Same as above minus the lifetime warranty but it has:
Leather
Heated seats
Tow Prep package
floor mats

Total out the door cost: $28,600 + $400 for package prepared of all documents required at boarder and a 90 temp permit. Downside: Located in Arizona. Twice as far away.

Option #1 sounds the best I think???

[mangoman]

Things to consider:
1. Shipping from Arizona will cost even more than from Florida - probably almost double (~$900 from Fla. right?) or else you would have to drive it back.

2. How long do you plan on keeping the vehicle - lifetime powertrain warranty is not that big a deal if you're only keeping the car 5 yrs.

3. Have you ever had heated seats before? If not then no big deal - you can live without them - if you have had them then you'll probably want them especially with leather so that you don't freeze your butt off! :)

4. Do you plan to tow anything with it? If the car's not in inventory, why not ask for one without the tow package and save some $?

5. Did you mention the deal you're being offered in Fla to the Arizona dealer to see if he can better his deal? How does the sales tax issue play in both states?




HELP!!!!

I can't make up my mind.

I have 2 offers on the table.

Option #1:
2008 RAV4 4x4 V6 Limited in Blizzard Pearl.
Sunroof
JBL Stereo
Daytime running lights
Tint
Rear Bumper protector
Exclusive LIFETIMEwarranty direct from Toyota that is valid in Canada.
Yes, a lifetime warranty. First time i ever heard of it.

Total out the door cost: $28,900USD located in Florida.

Option #2
Same as above minus the lifetime warranty but it has:
Leather
Heated seats
Tow Prep package
floor mats

Total out the door cost: $28,600 + $400 for package prepared of all documents required at boarder and a 90 temp permit. Downside: Located in Arizona. Twice as far away.

Option #1 sounds the best I think???

[michelb]

HELP!!!!

..Exclusive LIFETIMEwarranty direct from Toyota that is valid in Canada.
Yes, a lifetime warranty. First time i ever heard of it.

...

I'd find out more about this. Is this offered by Toyota or by the dealership? Who's telling you it's valid in Canada; is it the salesperson or customer service / claims? What does it cover? Is it transferable (probably not)? Assuming it's not transferable, how long do you plan on keeping the car (if you don't plan on keeping it for more than 4-5 years, it's probably not really a big deal)? How important are the other things (leather, tow package, etc)

[irish80ca]

Things to consider:
1. Shipping from Arizona will cost even more than from Florida - probably almost double (~$900 from Fla. right?) or else you would have to drive it back.

2. How long do you plan on keeping the vehicle - lifetime powertrain warranty is not that big a deal if you're only keeping the car 5 yrs.

3. Have you ever had heated seats before? If not then no big deal - you can live without them - if you have had them then you'll probably want them especially with leather so that you don't freeze your butt off! :)

4. Do you plan to tow anything with it? If the car's not in inventory, why not ask for one without the tow package and save some $?

5. Did you mention the deal you're being offered in Fla to the Arizona dealer to see if he can better his deal? How does the sales tax issue play in both states?


Yep, this is what I'm stuck on, lol.

I've asked the Florida dealer for more warranty details and just waiting to hear back.

As for the taxes...here's what gets me:

The Florida dealer is charging me sales tax saying i have to register a new vehicle in the USA first before exporting to Canada.

The Arizona dealer is not and the Arizona dealer is also saying that I will not have to pay taxes either.

I have my dad's address in Florida but he tells me he only needs that address for Toyota's Internal use. Once he sells me the car, I simply drive it to Canada and register there. I do not have to register the vehicle in the USA, hence no Florida sales taxes.

Apparently he's been doing this for a few years now with Canadians and never had an issue.

Does this sound correct?

If I didn't have to register in the states I'd save $1700 off the Florida quote.

[michelb]

Yep, this is what I'm stuck on, lol.

I've asked the Florida dealer for more warranty details and just waiting to hear back.

As for the taxes...here's what gets me:

The Florida dealer is charging me sales tax saying i have to register a new vehicle in the USA first before exporting to Canada.

The Arizona dealer is not and the Arizona dealer is also saying that I will not have to pay taxes either.

I have my dad's address in Florida but he tells me he only needs that address for Toyota's Internal use. Once he sells me the car, I simply drive it to Canada and register there. I do not have to register the vehicle in the USA, hence no Florida sales taxes.

Apparently he's been doing this for a few years now with Canadians and never had an issue.

Does this sound correct?

If I didn't have to register in the states I'd save $1700 off the Florida quote.

The tax thing doesn't surprise me at all. In FL, the dealer must charge tax if you are a FL resident. In AZ, sounds like they don't have a tax agreement with Fl so the dealer does not charge you any tax if you give him a FL address. As far as actually registering it there, the AZ dealer doesn't know anything about that and doesn't care (he's not going to go with you to do it).

One thing to confirm as that they don't require you to have a DL at your dad's address in FL (I spoke to a dealership about doing the same thing with a friends US address and was about to sign when they mentioned that I had to have a DL at that address).

[imnew]

Anyone who has recently imported a Toyota Sienna from around the Niagara Falls Area wouldn't mind PM me the dealership?

thanks for your help.....

[irish80ca]

The tax thing doesn't surprise me at all. In FL, the dealer must charge tax if you are a FL resident. In AZ, sounds like they don't have a tax agreement with Fl so the dealer does not charge you any tax if you give him a FL address. As far as actually registering it there, the AZ dealer doesn't know anything about that and doesn't care (he's not going to go with you to do it).

One thing to confirm as that they don't require you to have a DL at your dad's address in FL (I spoke to a dealership about doing the same thing with a friends US address and was about to sign when they mentioned that I had to have a DL at that address).

So I'm wondering, am I legally supposed to register the vehicle in Florida before importing to Canada?

If not, I had a few dealers in New York that would sell me a new vehicle and provide me with a temp permit to drive the vehicle until I have it registered in Florida.

What's to stop me from saying "sure" and then just drive from the lot to the boarder???

[Anonymouse]

Someone in the business was telling me that about 60% of the used car market on the Niagara peninsula is cars imported from the US. Not sure I believe that, but that's what he said. People down there cross the border all the time and are used to getting better prices.

[southpaw4golf]

I recently purchased a 07 Tacoma from a Honda dealership in Miami.
They Fedexed 2 forms that required me to have signed and notarized and Fedexed back to them. This was regarding the out of state purchase and exempted the dealer from collecting the tax. Might apply to a new vehicle purchase also.

[zircon]

Thanks- I was not aware that the 6 year 100000 mile warranty was a CPO warranty. The ad for the car I'm interested in says "extended 6 year 100000 mile warranty" and also mentions that it's a CPO car, so they must be talking about CPO.

CPO = certified pre-owned. It extends from 4 yrs to 6 yrs or 50,000 to 100,000 miles the original warranty. Not sure of its value in Canada, I assume about 2K for the certifiied warranty. I would not buy a German car without an extended warranty. Good luck if you buy. Note that the market is cooling in the states for luxury cars, and you should be able to negotiate. Best of luck.

[eastsidesubaru]

Just had a dealer in Oregon tell me he could not sell to Canadians (last week) so we used a "work around". Other dealers (in Washington) appear to be advertising to the Canadian consumers but are quoting higher prices but still discounting off of MSRP. Seems to be a mixed message.

Pressure I don't know about. I do know of a few other dealers here who have stopped selling to Canadians, but I haven't heard anything -- I can still sell to canadians, and discount off MSRP, although it's sadly not what it used to be. (Ahh, the good old days of below invoice..). And of course there are work arounds for everything, but the game has still changed drastically from what it once was-I don't sell 30 cars a month to Canada anymore :cheesygri

[scrolllock]

Stew Low, the Director of Communications of GM Canada, today replied to one of the articles in the Gazette dated August 6th.

2008-08-13gm.pdf (http://www.carswithoutborders.com/wordpress/wp-content/2008-08-13gm.pdf)

Open Letter to Mr. Low,

Mr. Low, in your letter to the editor of August 13th, you indicate that the Gazette article of August 6th unfairly criticized GM and that the writer’s assertions were not supported by facts. You went on to provide some facts as to why you felt GM deserves to be treated better.

Well Mr. Low, CarsWithoutBorders, operates with facts as well, and we wonder why you continue to gouge and treat Canadians like second class citizens. Americans pay 10 to 35% less for their GM vehicles than Canadians. The cars are the same.

You can check this out in the recently published article in Mac leans Magazine (macleans.ca/prices/). (http://www.macleans.ca/prices/)Recently one of our members purchased a 2008 Cadillac SRX and saved well over $20,000 on the transaction.

On the price of car parts, Mr. Low, why do you charge Canadians over 23%, for the same parts that you sell to Americans? Many of these parts are manufactured in Canada. We recently headed south to Plattsburg to purchase parts for our Oldsmobile, you can find the entire story at CarsWithoutBorders - July 24th,2008 posting.

On Service Mr. Low, the manner in which your company treats cost conscious Canadians that have ventured into the US to buy your cars is deplorable. Refusing to download “Canadianized” software and charging for recall letters is uncalled for. Hiding behind “bumper laws” to prevent Canadians from purchasing vehicles in the U.S. is another example. Just ask our member Mario from Edmonton, who spent 10 months with a U.S. market 2008 Corvette sitting in his garage. All of these events have been reported by CarsWithoutBorders in recent months.

So in summary, Mr. Low you might think that Mr. Mark Needleman’s article, made some unfair assertions. Your reply asking Canadians for “fair play GM” appears to substantiate your reasons, but you fail to answer to the real issues.

Why do you continue to stoop so low and treat Canadians as second class citizens, Mr. Low?

We deserve better, particularly after the millions our Governments have given GM. We have provided GM with carte blanche subsidies over the last half century.

And you want Fair Play? Canadians want Fair Play! We want a level playing field with our cousins to our south!

Robert Lamb

Co-Founder CarsWithoutBorders

[HP_John]

Thanks- I was not aware that the 6 year 100000 mile warranty was a CPO warranty. The ad for the car I'm interested in says "extended 6 year 100000 mile warranty" and also mentions that it's a CPO car, so they must be talking about CPO.

Many CPO warranties are NOT valid in Canada. Some brands where the CPO warranty isn't valid in Canada that come to mind, if I remember correctly, are: M-B, BMW, Lexus, & Acura. I looked at those brands before importing, I didn't look at all brands obviously, so please confirm with the Cdn subsidiary to ensure before buying that the CPO is valid. Make a low-ball offer & say that you can't pay anymore because the CPO isn't valid in Canada.

[Anonymouse]

Thanks for the very useful negotiating strategy - I will definitely use that. You should see all the brand new V70s still in their plastic wrapping rusting on the local dealer's lot. They practically came running when I pulled in.

They wanted the same price for their 2005 V70 with 60k as the Toronto dealers want for their 2006s with 40k, which is in turn about $4k above the currency-adjusted American price.

The only question I have at this point is whether the V70s sold in Florida are the same as the ones sold in Northern states wrt heated seats/rear defrost. I'd guess they're all the same, but it would be nice to know for sure.

[toystoys]

I'd travel for the heated seats, I'm in Canada :) and my experience is you want these things for a speedy resale. So many asked me if it had leather and heated seats. ... good luck


HELP!!!!

I can't make up my mind.

I have 2 offers on the table.

Option #1:
2008 RAV4 4x4 V6 Limited in Blizzard Pearl.
Sunroof
JBL Stereo
Daytime running lights
Tint
Rear Bumper protector
Exclusive LIFETIMEwarranty direct from Toyota that is valid in Canada.
Yes, a lifetime warranty. First time i ever heard of it.

Total out the door cost: $28,900USD located in Florida.

Option #2
Same as above minus the lifetime warranty but it has:
Leather
Heated seats
Tow Prep package
floor mats

Total out the door cost: $28,600 + $400 for package prepared of all documents required at boarder and a 90 temp permit. Downside: Located in Arizona. Twice as far away.

Option #1 sounds the best I think???

[diigii]

As some of you old timers in this thread know, I bought my 2007 Altima in Maryland. My sister asked me to priced a 2009 Nissan Rogue for her as she sold her old car (2001 Sentra) today for $6,300. She and her husband are looking to buy in the next few weeks. So here is my expose on gouging that we are still getting from the Canadian headquarters of manufacturers.

The Canadian base price of the Rogue SL AWD is $29,598. If you add the AWD Premium Package and Leather Package ($4,600) and $1,500 freight/PDI (ripoff no matter what they Nissan Canada will claim as you will read below where the car is made and shipped from), the price goes up to $35, 698. Plus 13% sales, $100 excise tax and $75 gas tax. Add in the the calculated interest (according to Nissan Canada's website if you pay in 4 yrs) is $1588. Total on-the-road price is $42,102 for a frikkin' 4-cylinder car!!!!!!!!

Now, take a seat and prepare yourself for some heart-breaking insult when compared to the US pricing from the dealer I bought my car from. The internet price of the same car with the same equipment packages is $24110 (that already includes the freight/PDI; called destination in the US; a Maryland temporary tag and processing fee of $139). I converted the US price to today's rate of $1.062 and added the 6.1% duty since the car is made in Japan. I've added the 13% sales taxes, RIV fee, gas and excise taxes, and assuming the car loan interest they will get from their bank is around $1,400 since they have $6,300 proceeds from their old car, the car just cost CAD$ 30,885! The approximate savings will be $9,800!!!! A US$500 discount off the internet price might still be given as this was an internet transaction. I got that discount when I picked up my car.

Aren't we still being gouged, insulted and taken for idiots who don't know how to use the power of the Internet?!!!! It's been more than a year now that the CAD is a bed f#@&ing partner of the USD and the price discrepancy is still staggering! What lame excuses are we gonna get from Nissan Canada again? That it came from Japan and Canada's port of entry is a bit of a left turn and further from California's? That the battery for Canadian-spec cars is a heavier duty one??? PLEASE!!

My sister's passport is valid. So is mine. Off to Maryland!

Monsieurmaggot, what do you think?

[zircon]

As some of you old timers in this thread know, I bought my 2007 Altima in Maryland. My sister asked me to priced a 2009 Nissan Rogue for her as she sold her old car (2001 Sentra) today for $6,300. She and her husband are looking to buy in the next few weeks. So here is my expose on gouging that we are still getting from the Canadian headquarters of manufacturers.

The Canadian base price of the Rogue SL AWD is $29,598. If you add the AWD Premium Package and Leather Package ($4,600) and $1,500 freight/PDI (ripoff no matter what they Nissan Canada will claim as you will read below where the car is made and shipped from), the price goes up to $35, 698. Plus 13% sales, $100 excise tax and $75 gas tax. Add in the the calculated interest (according to Nissan Canada's website if you pay in 4 yrs) is $1588. Total on-the-road price is $42,102 for a frikkin' 4-cylinder car!!!!!!!!

Now, take a seat and prepare yourself for some heart-breaking insult when compared to the US pricing from the dealer I bought my car from. The internet price of the same car with the same equipment packages is $24110 (that already includes the freight/PDI; called destination in the US; a Maryland temporary tag and processing fee of $139). I converted the US price to today's rate of $1.062 and added the 6.1% duty since the car is made in Japan. I've added the 13% sales taxes, RIV fee, gas and excise taxes, and assuming the car loan interest they will get from their bank is around $1,400 since they have $6,300 proceeds from their old car, the car just cost CAD$ 30,885! The approximate savings will be $9,800!!!! A US$500 discount off the internet price might still be given as this was an internet transaction. I got that discount when I picked up my car.

Aren't we still being gouged, insulted and taken for idiots who don't know how to use the power of the Internet?!!!! It's been more than a year now that the CAD is a bed f#@&ing partner of the USD and the price discrepancy is still staggering! What lame excuses are we gonna get from Nissan Canada again? That it came from Japan and Canada's port of entry is a bit of a left turn and further from California's? That the battery for Canadian-spec cars is a heavier duty one??? PLEASE!!

My sister's passport is valid. So is mine. Off to Maryland!

Monsieurmaggot, what do you think?

Excellent example of one of the most outrageous price discrepancies out there. In fact, it is worse than stated since this was a brand new model and there were no preexisting prices to contend with, Nissan had the opportunity to address the price differential. Instead, they rip Canadian off and fools here still buy their product. Expect this to continue so long as people act like sheep. The only way to address this is by using your head and buying in the states. good luck.

[diigii]

I've done it before with my '07 Altima and the process should be a breeze. The only difference in this 2008/09 Rogue is adding the 6.1% duty calculation. I would do it again for my sister, when she finally decides to go with it. Well, she kinda did decided on it when she asked me to contact my salesperson. I'm even willing to go with them to Maryland again just so I can visit and would want to see the bitchy US Customs female officer again. :cheesygri

Excellent example of one of the most outrageous price discrepancies out there. In fact, it is worse than stated since this was a brand new model and there were no preexisting prices to contend with, Nissan had the opportunity to address the price differential. Instead, they rip Canadian off and fools here still buy their product. Expect this to continue so long as people act like sheep. The only way to address this is by using your head and buying in the states. good luck.

[spdztr]

Hey guys, for those of you who got Subie's with GPS, have you been able to get any updated DVD's for it? It seems the v.2 DVD that came with the cars is a bit outdated.

[johnsa]

As some of you old timers in this thread know, I bought my 2007 Altima in Maryland. My sister asked me to priced a 2009 Nissan Rogue for her as she sold her old car (2001 Sentra) today for $6,300. She and her husband are looking to buy in the next few weeks. So here is my expose on gouging that we are still getting from the Canadian headquarters of manufacturers.

The Canadian base price of the Rogue SL AWD is $29,598. If you add the AWD Premium Package and Leather Package ($4,600) and $1,500 freight/PDI (ripoff no matter what they Nissan Canada will claim as you will read below where the car is made and shipped from), the price goes up to $35, 698. Plus 13% sales, $100 excise tax and $75 gas tax. Add in the the calculated interest (according to Nissan Canada's website if you pay in 4 yrs) is $1588. Total on-the-road price is $42,102 for a frikkin' 4-cylinder car!!!!!!!!

Now, take a seat and prepare yourself for some heart-breaking insult when compared to the US pricing from the dealer I bought my car from. The internet price of the same car with the same equipment packages is $24110 (that already includes the freight/PDI; called destination in the US; a Maryland temporary tag and processing fee of $139). I converted the US price to today's rate of $1.062 and added the 6.1% duty since the car is made in Japan. I've added the 13% sales taxes, RIV fee, gas and excise taxes, and assuming the car loan interest they will get from their bank is around $1,400 since they have $6,300 proceeds from their old car, the car just cost CAD$ 30,885! The approximate savings will be $9,800!!!! A US$500 discount off the internet price might still be given as this was an internet transaction. I got that discount when I picked up my car.

Aren't we still being gouged, insulted and taken for idiots who don't know how to use the power of the Internet?!!!! It's been more than a year now that the CAD is a bed f#@&ing partner of the USD and the price discrepancy is still staggering! What lame excuses are we gonna get from Nissan Canada again? That it came from Japan and Canada's port of entry is a bit of a left turn and further from California's? That the battery for Canadian-spec cars is a heavier duty one??? PLEASE!!

My sister's passport is valid. So is mine. Off to Maryland!

Monsieurmaggot, what do you think?

Nice deals but I am afraid that if you call the dealer you will discover that you cannot get that price unless you register it in the US..It includes rebates which Nissan dealers ACCROSS THE US can only give to someone inthe lower 48. I have tried to get a 2008 Quest at prices as low as 15,900 (vs 31k here) and no dealers can give the 10k+ in rebates...GOOD LUCK, though..

[michelb]

...

The only question I have at this point is whether the V70s sold in Florida are the same as the ones sold in Northern states wrt heated seats/rear defrost. I'd guess they're all the same, but it would be nice to know for sure.

Unfortunately, most of the Volvos sold in Florida do not have the 'cold weather pkg' (heated seats + headlight wipers and traction control on some models (might be other stuff too)) (you do get a rear defroster though). When you look at pics, it's pretty easy to tell if it has it or not; front pics you will (or won't) see the wipers for the headlights and interior pics will have 2 buttons with pics for the heated seats below the rear/mirror defrosters (left side of climate control) (if you don't have the heated seats, they are just black 'dummy' buttons).

[Longobongo]

I have a relative in Boston who I plan to ask to buy a Toyota for me (since the dealership is so reluctant to sell to a Canadian) and I will then purchase it from them and drive it back. My question is, will this lead to any problems to my relative later on? Will they have to report it to the IRS and be taxed? Not sure how it works on their end and I don't want the purchase to be a hassle for them later on.

[Anonymouse]

I wondered the same thing. I think the money you pay your relative for the car would be considered taxable income for him/her. Maybe call the IRS and report back. I'm sure there are a lot of people who are interested in this, so any solid information you can provide would be appreciated.

Perhaps if you wire the money directly to the dealer, the IRS would not count it as income, but this is pure speculation on my part.

EDIT: It seems I was wrong about this - I found this on the IRS website:
Sale of personal items. If you sold an item you owned for personal use, such as a car, refrigerator, furniture, stereo, jewelry, or silverware, your gain is taxable as a capital gain. Report it on Schedule D (Form 1040). You cannot deduct a loss.


It seems that if what the IRS calls the "basis" equals the selling price, there is no tax payable, although your relative would have to report it on Form 1040.

[sienna owner]

I have a relative in Boston who I plan to ask to buy a Toyota for me (since the dealership is so reluctant to sell to a Canadian) and I will then purchase it from them and drive it back. My question is, will this lead to any problems to my relative later on? Will they have to report it to the IRS and be taxed? Not sure how it works on their end and I don't want the purchase to be a hassle for them later on.

not sure why they would be taxed...it's not like they'll make any $$ from the transaction..my inlaws had his nephew buy an Enclave in Michigan and then bought it from him.

i guess it would be prudent to keep on documents to prove that no income was made though.

[sienna owner]

Nice deals but I am afraid that if you call the dealer you will discover that you cannot get that price unless you register it in the US..It includes rebates which Nissan dealers ACCROSS THE US can only give to someone inthe lower 48. I have tried to get a 2008 Quest at prices as low as 15,900 (vs 31k here) and no dealers can give the 10k+ in rebates...GOOD LUCK, though..

yes, but the work around maybe to buy from a dealer in a different state that you use to "register" the vehicle. ie: buy from NY state, but say you're from Michigan and will register it there once you get it ... this is also a work around from some to avoid paying state taxes if i'm not mistaken.

[johnsa]

yes, but the work around maybe to buy from a dealer in a different state that you use to "register" the vehicle. ie: buy from NY state, but say you're from Michigan and will register it there once you get it ... this is also a work around from some to avoid paying state taxes if i'm not mistaken.

Good luck with that..several dealers have told me they need a state DRL and proof of ins for the state you are living in....

[Longobongo]

It looks like you only have to report it if the sale was a captial gain. This sounds like a reasonable alternative.

I wondered the same thing. I think the money you pay your relative for the car would be considered taxable income for him/her. Maybe call the IRS and report back. I'm sure there are a lot of people who are interested in this, so any solid information you can provide would be appreciated.

Perhaps if you wire the money directly to the dealer, the IRS would not count it as income, but this is pure speculation on my part.

EDIT: It seems I was wrong about this - I found this on the IRS website:

It seems that if what the IRS calls the "basis" equals the selling price, there is no tax payable, although your relative would have to report it on Form 1040.

[ggobble]

I am looking to import a Nissan Pathfinder either used or new. Is it hard to find a niisan dealer to sell you a new one. I imported a Highlander last year and had to settle for one that was 3 months old (10k) - still saved 10 000 easy. Oh - does Nissan honor their warranties in Canada?

[sienna owner]

Good luck with that..several dealers have told me they need a state DRL and proof of ins for the state you are living in....

depends on the dealer requirements....got a Sienna using only a relative's address...did not have to use anything else that was US...DRL, SIN, insurance, American Bank Draft, etc....unlike my inlaw that had to provide all that for Buick Enclave.

[sienna owner]

I am looking to import a Nissan Pathfinder either used or new. Is it hard to find a niisan dealer to sell you a new one. I imported a Highlander last year and had to settle for one that was 3 months old (10k) - still saved 10 000 easy. Oh - does Nissan honor their warranties in Canada?

there a lot of post on here already about Nissan's warranties, however because of the complicity of it, you may be better off calling Nissan Canada....variables: if you register it in the states and then in CAN within 6 months, etc etc...

[ggobble]

A lot of posts - yes - searching them all is time consuming as hell. Is there a way to search one post 0- there are 1000s of pgs

[sienna owner]

A lot of posts - yes - searching them all is time consuming as hell. Is there a way to search one post 0- there are 1000s of pgs

use the "Search this thread" option at the top-left....type in nissan and will give you all the post that mention it.

[gudong]

depends on the dealer requirements....got a Sienna using only a relative's address...did not have to use anything else that was US...DRL, SIN, insurance, American Bank Draft, etc....unlike my inlaw that had to provide all that for Buick Enclave.

How much did you inlaw pay for the Enclave? I am interested in this SUV also, could you please share the dealer info?

Thanks,

[johnsa]

depends on the dealer requirements....got a Sienna using only a relative's address...did not have to use anything else that was US...DRL, SIN, insurance, American Bank Draft, etc....unlike my inlaw that had to provide all that for Buick Enclave.


I understand that..I was referring to several Nissan dealers I spoke with last week in various regions..they were very consistent..

[diigii]

Hi Johnsa,
How's your Maxima doing? Anyway, I was conversing with my salesperson today and she gave me the purchase price of the car as I priced it according to their internet price. Indeed, she gave me the internet pricing with no conditions at all. I purchased from them last year and no condition of having it being plated in Maryland (don't know if a Maryland temp tag can be considered plating in MD).

Nice deals but I am afraid that if you call the dealer you will discover that you cannot get that price unless you register it in the US..It includes rebates which Nissan dealers ACCROSS THE US can only give to someone inthe lower 48. I have tried to get a 2008 Quest at prices as low as 15,900 (vs 31k here) and no dealers can give the 10k+ in rebates...GOOD LUCK, though..

[Gmanrus]

Hey guys, I have a couple questions for you.

1) What's sales tax in California, Texas and Florida?
2) Do I have to pay PST on Canada/USA border if I buy an used car in US?
3) Does Canadian Government return some of the taxes paid them after exporting a car into Canada?

Thank you guys in advance for your help, I really appreciate it.

[johnsa]

Hi Johnsa,
How's your Maxima doing? Anyway, I was conversing with my salesperson today and she gave me the purchase price of the car as I priced it according to their internet price. Indeed, she gave me the internet pricing with no conditions at all. I purchased from them last year and no condition of having it being plated in Maryland (don't know if a Maryland temp tag can be considered plating in MD).


Thats great that they are going to give you their internet price, which is very decent...just unfortunate that those prices are still several thousand above what some dealers are advertising...ie 10000 off Nissan Quest MSRP and 15000 off Titan LE 4x4....good luck...

Maxima is great..only 5700 miles after 12 mths....just wish I could replace our 06 Quest which comes off lease next yr..have seen the S model as low as 15,800....your Maryland dealer is a few thousand above that on their site..

[rjmbc]

I just received the following email from a Dealership in Oregon. Looks like Mazda is doing some interesting pricing.

Anyway if you want the contact information, PM me giving me a legitimate Canadian email address - not google or yahoo, and I will supply the information.

"Hello .........,
Just a quick note to ask if you are still interested in a new Mazda CX9? We have a great selection and there are now aggressive incentives from Mazda that were not available earlier in the summer. For example: We have a well-equipped CX9 Sport All Wheel Drive that originally stickered for $32,350 now on sale for $25,245. If you prefer a higher optioned CX9 we also have a Grand Touring Model (top of the line) with 277 watt 10 speaker Bose surround sound, 6 disk in dash changer, leather, and moonroof; original sticker was $37,010...it is now available at $31,150. If you're still in the market for a new car, I would appreciate the opportunity to earn your business. Please contact me if you have questions..."

[careener]

sheesh...those things run easily up to 50k+ in Canada

[fl4wless]

I just received the following email from a Dealership in Oregon. Looks like Mazda is doing some interesting pricing.

Anyway if you want the contact information, PM me giving me a legitimate Canadian email address - not google or yahoo, and I will supply the information.

"Hello .........,
Just a quick note to ask if you are still interested in a new Mazda CX9? We have a great selection and there are now aggressive incentives from Mazda that were not available earlier in the summer. For example: We have a well-equipped CX9 Sport All Wheel Drive that originally stickered for $32,350 now on sale for $25,245. If you prefer a higher optioned CX9 we also have a Grand Touring Model (top of the line) with 277 watt 10 speaker Bose surround sound, 6 disk in dash changer, leather, and moonroof; original sticker was $37,010...it is now available at $31,150. If you're still in the market for a new car, I would appreciate the opportunity to earn your business. Please contact me if you have questions..."

I imported a fully loaded 08 CX7 GT AWD for 23k USD back in march. My total price was 28k Taxes/fees in. It had 5k miles. Couldnt find anyone to sell me new. thats decent for the cx9, but still better deals in the US especially on slightly used, but with the dollar at .94 maybe a little closer. im glad i bought when the Canadian dollar was at 1.01 USD.

[mangoman]

Btw - the absurd "no more than 6-days from the bill of sale date" rule is still in effect in Ontario even with this new 10-day "Special Permit" classification for out-of-province vehicles. MTO really needs to get its head out its a%% on this one as they make no mention of this on the webpage. YMMV though at some of the private issuing offices. (I guess the MTO is encouraging Ontarians to "revise" their bills of sale instead of allowing them to do things legally).

[teletran-01]

I have been following this thread for quite some time now and it actually convinced me to look south for our next car. I've been shopping for a few months now and I found some pretty good deals in Florida, but not elsewhere? US prices are lower than CAD ones but deals in Florida are just insane. I was wondering if someone would know why this is? Living in the Montreal area I would obviously prefer to do business with a dealer close to the border but if I can save even more $$$ by going further south, I will. Check out those links :

http://display.tcpalm.com/ROP/Subcat.aspx?cat=6941

http://marketplace.tbo.com/ROP/Subcat.aspx?cat=9597&subcat=9599

http://newspaperads.miami.com/ROP/Subcat.aspx?cat=3330&ptype=ROP_TEXT

http://shopping.news-journalonline.com/ROP/Subcat.aspx?cat=3330&subcat=3379

Does anyone have the same kind of links for states close to the border ( like Vermont, NY or New Hampshire )?

Thanks.

[Stetson717]

Just in case someone is interested in a GM, they will be offering employee pricing to everyone starting August 20.

For example the H3 can be had starting at 22k.

Got it from Slickdeals.net ('http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?t=899530')

[petaling108]

Just in case someone is interested in a GM, they will be offering employee pricing to everyone starting August 20.

For example the H3 can be had starting at 22k.

Got it from Slickdeals.net ('http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?t=899530')

only in the USA?
pity
A Saab would be nice CAD 29999-minus employee discount of ?few thousands+72 months 0% financing= cheaper price than an accord or camry?

[dekapp]

it is a daylight robbery by toyota Canada

check out
http://www.fitzmall.com/Fitzway/carfind/resultsa.asp?MODE=NEW
assign values and check out pricing for a 2008 Sienna LE EVP #2

unfortunately, being from canada the sales people from fitzmall dont like to sell new sienna 2008 LE 8 evp 2 $23,142 to canadians

the price of a 2008 Sienna Le with matching specs is $36,550 in toronto

quite a steep price to pay for a few daytime running lights , and some odometer stickers...!!!!

please pm or post names of direct dealers in bufallo /NY/ niagara falls area who would sell to Canadians

[petaling108]

Example from www.fitzmall.com and another dealer in Ohio
Dear Mr ,

I am sorry that we are unable to assist you in exporting a car to Canada. If you are registering the car in the US, paying applicable taxes, and then we can help. My apologies if Larry told you that we could help in this matter. We were able to in the past, but these practices have stopped.

Tom Redlack

redlackt@fitzgeraldautomall.com
Subject: Re: Subaru Outback

[Lonewolf1]

Try these guys. I bought a Tribeca from them a couple of weeks ago. They are great to deal with. Tom Rousseau is the sales guy.

http://www.subaruofkeene.com/international-customers.htm


Doug




Example from www.fitzmall.com and another dealer in Ohio
Dear Mr ,

I am sorry that we are unable to assist you in exporting a car to Canada. If you are registering the car in the US, paying applicable taxes, and then we can help. My apologies if Larry told you that we could help in this matter. We were able to in the past, but these practices have stopped.

Tom Redlack

redlackt@fitzgeraldautomall.com
Subject: Re: Subaru Outback

[3weddings]

So disappointed, we still have not found our GL320 (and likely won't b/c of MB Canada), but I drove the Yukon Hybrid on the weekend and liked it, enough to hunt for one.

Found a GM buy back at a dealer 2008 with 2800 miles for $38k!!!! They can't sell it to a Canuck!!! some sort of regulation from our government b/c it's a returned vehicle..:mad: :mad:

Not happy right now

[Anessa]

it is a daylight robbery by toyota Canada

check out
http://www.fitzmall.com/Fitzway/carfind/resultsa.asp?MODE=NEW
assign values and check out pricing for a 2008 Sienna LE EVP #2

unfortunately, being from canada the sales people from fitzmall dont like to sell new sienna 2008 LE 8 evp 2 $23,142 to canadians

the price of a 2008 Sienna Le with matching specs is $36,550 in toronto

quite a steep price to pay for a few daytime running lights , and some odometer stickers...!!!!

please pm or post names of direct dealers in bufallo /NY/ niagara falls area who would sell to Canadians

Not in NYC but Toyota of Keene is willing to help Canadians.
http://www.toyotakeene.com/canadian.htm

[WHOAMI]

stupid Toyota. We can buy another manufacturer, they will lost their market.

before I'm looking for Camry 2009, but now I will change my mind to buy Nissan or othe model.

[sienna owner]

I have a contact in Detroit, MI.
Pm if you need details.

downside is that I'm not sure how much lower you're going to get below MRSP, will have to pay state taxes, and require a relative's US address.

[garvard]

Interesting, when I imported another vehicle (used) last spring, MTO just used my bill of sale (same as Customs) to calculate PST and I was never asked for anything like that - maybe they changed their policy.

I have imported Toyota 4Runner on Aug 18. The transportation company (who delivered my car from NY to Toronto) says me that the Casual Goods Accounting Document (B15 form) will be ready and mailed to me by Canadian custom during up to 10 business days. But without this "blue" form I can not get plates.
Is this right to wait 10 days?

[usacars2canada]

I have imported Toyota 4Runner on Aug 18. The transportation company (who delivered my car from NY to Toronto) says me that the Casual Goods Accounting Document (B15 form) will be ready and mailed to me by Canadian custom during up to 10 business days. But without this "blue" form I can not get plates.
Is this right to wait 10 days?

Yes, that's correct. The Customs broker will send you the B3 invoice by mail. If it is getting close to 10 days, your 10-day special permit will expire. You should then ask them to fax you a copy of the B3 invoice. The MTO may accept it if it is clear.

[garvard]

Yes, that's correct. The Customs broker will send you the B3 invoice by mail. If it is getting close to 10 days, your 10-day special permit will expire. You should then ask them to fax you a copy of the B3 invoice. The MTO may accept it if it is clear.

What does it mean "10days special permit"? Does it mean that MTO can give me temporary plates for 10 days or I can drive 10 days without any plates?

[bionicbadger]

Hey guys, for those of you who got Subie's with GPS, have you been able to get any updated DVD's for it? It seems the v.2 DVD that came with the cars is a bit outdated.

You can buy the updated discs but its a few hundred bucks. Probably not worth it unless you drive quite a bit in newer developments.

[usacars2canada]

What does it mean "10days special permit"? Does it mean that MTO can give me temporary plates for 10 days or I can drive 10 days without any plates?

MTO will give you temporary plate for 10 days. Please check below:
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/temp.htm
http://www.forms.ssb.gov.on.ca/mbs/ssb/forms/ssbforms.nsf/AttachDocsPublish/023-SR-LV-056~1/$File/SR-LV-056%2008-04.pdf

[jed]

So disappointed, we still have not found our GL320 (and likely won't b/c of MB Canada), but I drove the Yukon Hybrid on the weekend and liked it, enough to hunt for one.

Found a GM buy back at a dealer 2008 with 2800 miles for $38k!!!! They can't sell it to a Canuck!!! some sort of regulation from our government b/c it's a returned vehicle..:mad: :mad:

Not happy right now

Strange, its not on the RIV list....perhaps the dealer is pulling your leg? To clarify was this an actual buyback or an auction vehicle? A buyback can happen when there is something so terribly wrong with a vehicle that the manufacturer, buys it back. Not a fun process for anyone I'm told.

[bruceferns]

Hello Everyone,

On August 14 2008 RIV added a new stipulation for Cars to have Immobilizers, how do I find out if the Camry 08-09 as one or not?

Also, I have called quite a few Toyota delarships who tell me that they cannot seel a car to a Canadian citizen who wants to export the car to Canada. The car has to be registered in the States first. They quote Toyota rules. Anyone know of any dealerships that sell to Canadians?

Bruce

[Lonewolf1]

try these guys for a Toyota

http://www.toyotakeene.com/canadian.htm


Hello Everyone,

On August 14 2008 RIV added a new stipulation for CArs to have Immobilizers, how do I find out if the Camry 08-09 as one or not?

Also, I have called quite a few Toyota delarships who tell me that they cannot seel a car to a Canadian citizen who wants to export the car to Canada. The car has to be registered in the States first. They quote Toyota rules. Anyone know of any dealerships that sell to Canadians?

Bruce

[bruceferns]

try these guys for a Toyota

http://www.toyotakeene.com/canadian.htm

Thanks Lonewolf, I have emailed them lets see what happens, I am crossing my fingers.

Does anyone know if a Toyota used car warranty is transferred over?

Bruce

[james-007]

Thanks Lonewolf, I have emailed them lets see what happens, I am crossing my fingers.

Does anyone know if a Toyota used car warranty is transferred over?

Bruce

Yes the warranty does transfer over without any issues.

[PMREdmonton]

Thanks Lonewolf, I have emailed them lets see what happens, I am crossing my fingers.

Does anyone know if a Toyota used car warranty is transferred over?

Bruce

Original warranty does transfer over.

CPO warranty does not transfer over.

Extended warranty bought at Toyota dealer does transfer over.

[bruceferns]

try these guys for a Toyota

http://www.toyotakeene.com/canadian.htm

Thanks for the site lonewolf.

This dealership does sell to Canadians, I am still trying to work something out so that I do not pay close to MSRP. I mean they realize that no one else is selling and hence I guess they are probably sticklers to their price.

Still talking lets see how it goes. If anyone else has purchased a Toyota from the states in recent months, please post the dealership or IM their information to me. I am willing to go further south if the pricepoint is attractive.

Regards,

Bruce

[scrolllock]

Don't forget to mention CarsWithoutBorders, when dealing with the folks at Keene, they will give you a $50 Gas Coupon as part of any sale! (http://www.carswithoutborders.com/us-dealers-brokers/) It might not be much but it all adds up in the end.

Thanks for the site lonewolf.

This dealership does sell to Canadians, I am still trying to work something out so that I do not pay close to MSRP. I mean they realize that no one else is selling and hence I guess they are probably sticklers to their price.

Still talking lets see how it goes. If anyone else has purchased a Toyota from the states in recent months, please post the dealership or IM their information to me. I am willing to go further south if the pricepoint is attractive.

Regards,

Bruce

[troyfromthenationalbank]

Ensurall is selling bumper to bumper warranties US cars, anybody use them for their imports, they seem pretty legit

[zulu888]

Hi all, been following this thread for awhile and I've got a situation where I'm getting a new car shipped from California to Montana (Sweetgrass) so I can pick it up. I've got the Original Cert of Ownership, Bill of Sale and Odometer Declaration. The the California dealer, however, won't issue me a temporary permit and I called Montana's DMV and they won't issue one either because I'm not a US/Montana resident.

Is it ok to transport the car to the border with just those documents? I'll of course setup insurance.

I've heard all you need is the MCO... do they even check for your permit at the border? (either side)

[shienh]

I was in similar situation, I got my car delivery at Detroit Border and then got it towed from a Windsor towing company. Cost me $280 to tow from detroit to windsor about 3 hrs. of work.

[rjmbc]

Does anyone know why this page is now "blank"? Looks like it happened a couple of days ago.

[Lost Horizon]

Does anyone know why this page is now "blank"? Looks like it happened a couple of days ago.

I think it was getting a DOS..

quote:

"There have been continued attacks on this web page from spammers so I have temporarily protected the home page and other pages from being edited by unregistered users. If you spot something that needs correcting, I can be reached via the monster auto importing thread at www.redflagdeals.com "

Probably the Car Dealers of North America financed... :)

[PrimeBane]

Hi all, been following this thread for awhile and I've got a situation where I'm getting a new car shipped from California to Montana (Sweetgrass) so I can pick it up. I've got the Original Cert of Ownership, Bill of Sale and Odometer Declaration. The the California dealer, however, won't issue me a temporary permit and I called Montana's DMV and they won't issue one either because I'm not a US/Montana resident.

Is it ok to transport the car to the border with just those documents? I'll of course setup insurance.

I've heard all you need is the MCO... do they even check for your permit at the border? (either side)

If you have insurance and a copy of the invoice you should be able to get an in transit permit for the vehicle in Alberta. It will only be good from Coutts/Sweetgrass until Edmonton, but it will do the trick. I believe the price is $25.

[bruceferns]

Original warranty does transfer over.

CPO warranty does not transfer over.

Extended warranty bought at Toyota dealer does transfer over.

CPO=?

[Cars4Canadians]

I called BMW and Audi
and both companies said that any Canadian wishing to purchase Brand New BMW/AUDI care are welcome to do so south of the Border. Last November the BMW bastards said it wasn't cool... now they say it is ok..

When i pressed the guy from BMW about why we need to replace the instrument cluster on a 3-Series, he had no answer for me. The American cluster has both KM and MIles on it, in big fonts... so why is there a need to change them?

Also, when i called a canadian BMW dealer about the instrument cluster he was less than helpful :) he acted like a POS.... was bragging that even though BMW Canada has no rules in place, no BMW USA dealer will sell a brand new car to a Canadian... hmmm collusion? Someone needs to get their asses sued...

I'm so tired of these bastards........ i hope the greed chokes in their throats. :)

[zircon]

I was in similar situation, I got my car delivery at Detroit Border and then got it towed from a Windsor towing company. Cost me $280 to tow from detroit to windsor about 3 hrs. of work.

Why? I had my Audi delivered from IL to MI, and picked it up at a Detroit truckstop, drove it over. only paid to have it shipped from IL.

[zircon]

I called BMW and Audi
and both companies said that any Canadian wishing to purchase Brand New BMW/AUDI care are welcome to do so south of the Border. Last November the BMW bastards said it wasn't cool... now they say it is ok..

When i pressed the guy from BMW about why we need to replace the instrument cluster on a 3-Series, he had no answer for me. The American cluster has both KM and MIles on it, in big fonts... so why is there a need to change them?

Also, when i called a canadian BMW dealer about the instrument cluster he was less than helpful :) he acted like a POS.... was bragging that even though BMW Canada has no rules in place, no BMW USA dealer will sell a brand new car to a Canadian... hmmm collusion? Someone needs to get their asses sued...

I'm so tired of these bastards........ i hope the greed chokes in their throats. :)

Agree on the need for a suit. Biggest problem with BMW is getting recall letter - for that you will need to spenf mucho $$ at a Canadian dealer. Feds need to keep relaxing rules to prevent this highway robbery.

[eastsidesubaru]

I think it was getting a DOS..

quote:

"There have been continued attacks on this web page from spammers so I have temporarily protected the home page and other pages from being edited by unregistered users. If you spot something that needs correcting, I can be reached via the monster auto importing thread at www.redflagdeals.com "

Probably the Car Dealers of North America financed... :)

Have not been DOS'ed, but the spammers keep coming to the site and editing pages. I think it is just computer robots, I am not sure how to block them 100% but I did put a captcha system on there so if anybody tries to add an external link, they will have to enter the characters from an image and prove they are a real person.
Unfortunately I work ~55 hours a week but if anybody notices any spam or weird stuff going on, you can PM me here(I can't keep up with the thread) and I'll immediately get it taken care of. :)

[Cars4Canadians]

Agree on the need for a suit. Biggest problem with BMW is getting recall letter - for that you will need to spenf mucho $$ at a Canadian dealer. Feds need to keep relaxing rules to prevent this highway robbery.

The world is insane...

why do Canadians still purchase these entry level 3 series cars in Canada? (no scratch that, they lease them because they can't afford them.)

I mean if you can't afford it, why bother leasing it... that alone should give you a hint that they are ripping you off...

20 year old kids drive 3 Series cars in the USA, while pompous people who think they have a status symbol do so in Canada...

well i guess it is understandable, since all you see on the streets is a bunch of Mazda 3's, Civics, and toyota's , then naturally the poor "rich people" of Canada flock to get raped by our local dealers/BMW Canada... I wonder, does BMW Canada provide the free Vaseline to its customers (to lube up) before a Canadian consumer takes it up the ass?

[Danno2005]

CPO=?

Certified Pre Owned

[teletran-01]

I'd like to buy a 2008 Mazda6 before they're all gone ( Mazda is offering $2750 off MSRP ) so I emailed several dealers in NH and VT. Some replied, willing to sell to me as long as I can provide a US address ( no problem ), but they are giving me a hard time. They want me to go '' see them '', some even offered me free oil changes. They don't seem to understand that I live in Montreal, 3 to 4 hours away. Does anyone know a reliable Mazda dealer that will sell to Canadians?

Thanks.

[PMREdmonton]

CPO=?

CPO = certified pre-owned. It is an extended warranty that car companies offer of their leasebacks that are in excellent condition. It adds significantly to the price of the car.

If you buy a CPO car, you can usually get a deduction on price as a Canuck and then use that deduction to purchase an extended warranty from Toyotoa which will be honoured in Canada.

[huei2010]

I am talking to a few dealers in the US and wondering how much below MSRP we can go. Thanks!

[bruceferns]

CPO = certified pre-owned. It is an extended warranty that car companies offer of their leasebacks that are in excellent condition. It adds significantly to the price of the car.

If you buy a CPO car, you can usually get a deduction on price as a Canuck and then use that deduction to purchase an extended warranty from Toyotoa which will be honoured in Canada.

Thanks for the explanation PMREdmonton.

[yana]

Has anyone tried importing an 08/ 09 model into canada? I see from transport canada list that it is admissible? but does this mean it requires no modifications ?

Thanks

[dunone]

I recently bought a Honda Ridgeline in the US. The dealer required that I register it in the US. I was able to find a US company that registered the vehicle and transfered it to me. They did all the paperwork involved. Total cost was $750.00 including notifying Customs and I paid no state sales tax. If you PM me I will provide contact information or you can find them like I did on the Cars Without Borders Forum.

[HP_John]

If you buy a CPO car, you can usually get a deduction on price as a Canuck and then use that deduction to purchase an extended warranty from Toyotoa which will be honoured in Canada.

I don't understand this part of your post. Do you mean you can get a discount off CPO cars? Because you can get discounts off listed price on new, used, or CPO cars.

[Marp]

Example from www.fitzmall.com and another dealer in Ohio
Dear Mr ,

I am sorry that we are unable to assist you in exporting a car to Canada. If you are registering the car in the US, paying applicable taxes, and then we can help. My apologies if Larry told you that we could help in this matter. We were able to in the past, but these practices have stopped.

Tom Redlack

redlackt@fitzgeraldautomall.com
Subject: Re: Subaru Outback

If you're still looking, I just picked up a Tribeca on the 21st Aug from Van Bortel Subaru. No hassles at the border and easy registration in Mississauga.
Full pricing, including all Subaru options at www.vanbortelsubaru.com.
Talk to Karl Lindemuth.

[LVC70]

I recently bought a Honda Ridgeline in the US. The dealer required that I register it in the US. I was able to find a US company that registered the vehicle and transfered it to me. They did all the paperwork involved. Total cost was $750.00 including notifying Customs and I paid no state sales tax. If you PM me I will provide contact information or you can find them like I did on the Cars Without Borders Forum.

Is this for Honda only? I have a Mazda dealer who says I have to have a US address.

[Danno2005]

I don't understand this part of your post. Do you mean you can get a discount off CPO cars? Because you can get discounts off listed price on new, used, or CPO cars.

The CPO is worth extra value to someone in the US that can use the warranty. Since Canadians can't take advantage of CPO, the dealer meay be able to give an additional discount of what that CPO is worth.

[Danno2005]

Is this for Honda only? I have a Mazda dealer who says I have to have a US address.

You will have to use that service or another work around (broker) if that or any dealer requires a US addreess.

Or find a dealer that doesn not have that requirement.

[dunone]

Is this for Honda only? I have a Mazda dealer who says I have to have a US address.

I don't think so, I referred a friend who used them to register a Toyota. You could always ask them.

[BBTing]

I recently bought a Honda Ridgeline in the US. The dealer required that I register it in the US. I was able to find a US company that registered the vehicle and transfered it to me. They did all the paperwork involved. Total cost was $750.00 including notifying Customs and I paid no state sales tax. If you PM me I will provide contact information or you can find them like I did on the Cars Without Borders Forum.

I suppose you bought it in a tax-free state, right ? Did you have to negotiate directly with the dealer or did that US company got you a good deal below MSRP ? Did you have to transport the car yourself by driving it up or shipping it via a different co ? Do they do Lexus as well ?


Thanks!

[irish80ca]

After a ton of reading and calling around I was going to get a RAV4 Sport or Limited from the states but when the dollar recently hit $0.93 the minimal saving along with the headaches of dealing with Toyota, travel, import fees, etc. the deal was no longer Hot for me. Not to mention a bank loan would cost me at least 7% interest.

My brother recently picked up a new Ford Escape here on a lease and it's actually a really nice SUV.

This weekend I decided to look into one since the have a big promotion on right now.

I ended up buying one and saved a tone of money.

I got a 2008 Escape V6 AWD XLT loaded with sunroof, heated leather, heated mirrors, keyless entry, 17" Chrome wheels, and a few extra perks.

After all discounts which included their "Family Pricing", 0%/60mth or 1.99%/72mth financing rate, along with a decent cut in other admin fees and comm. fees, etc. my total "Out the Door" pricing was just under $32,800.

My monthly payment is $467 for 72 months.

My Bro is paying that on a lease he got a few months back.

I'm not saying that there aren't deals to be had in the Stated because it's obvious there are huge savings out there but for me, this deal worked best. 0%/1.99% interest can't be beat by any bank I know of handing out car loans!

[dandj]

I have been following this website for a number of weeks and I am now ready to buy a Toyota Highlander Hybrid - if I can find a dealer willing to sell to me. Does anyone know of a dealer near Winnipeg?

[rjmbc]

I have been following this website for a number of weeks and I am now ready to buy a Toyota Highlander Hybrid - if I can find a dealer willing to sell to me. Does anyone know of a dealer near Winnipeg?

I know of one in Minnesota. If you are interested PM me.

[Stetson717]

Does anyone have any contacts in Michigan for Honda or Toyota dealers?

[dunone]

My Ridgeline was purchased in Oregon. I negotiated the price directly with the dealer and got it for less than MSRP and about $9,000 less than the best price I was able to negotiate here. I picked it up from the dealers lot in Oregon and drove it back. The only stickler was that it had to registered in the US, which is what the US company did, for a fee.


I suppose you bought it in a tax-free state, right ? Did you have to negotiate directly with the dealer or did that US company got you a good deal below MSRP ? Did you have to transport the car yourself by driving it up or shipping it via a different co ? Do they do Lexus as well ?


Thanks!

[Makaveli the Don]

I know this thread is about new cars, but anyone know a good american site for used cars? [kind of like autotrader.ca, the .com licks]

[shopper-X]

I know this thread is about new cars, but anyone know a good american site for used cars? [kind of like autotrader.ca, the .com licks]

cars.com

[mangoman]

Also http://walmart.oodle.com/vehicle/

cars.com

[BBTing]

My Ridgeline was purchased in Oregon. I negotiated the price directly with the dealer and got it for less than MSRP and about $9,000 less than the best price I was able to negotiate here. I picked it up from the dealers lot in Oregon and drove it back. The only stickler was that it had to registered in the US, which is what the US company did, for a fee.

How much less than MSRP could you get ?

Did you have to pay the whole sum to the US company first ? If yes, how could you make sure they would really sell the car to you after they got the money ? This is the biggest concern dealing with a middle man you don't know at all.

[Cars4Canadians]

I hate the big 3 German car manufacturers in Canada,
BMW, Mercedes and Audi make my stomach turn. THey gouge the consumer, and spread their idiotic illogical claims for their prices....

I wish Canada had some politicians with "Balls" to go after these ******* manufacturers that invent reasons to gouge the consumer, be it with stupid logic behind forcing a consumer to change and instrument cluster, or with the dealer collusion that happens in the states......

Free trade my ASS, either we have it, and can purchase things from anywhere in Canada + USA, or we should blow it up as we are not getting our so called benefits of this whole idiotic free trade agenda which only helped the rich.

OH by the way, what scum ****er of a canadian politician invented that rule that we need to pay 6+ Percent of Duty on Jap/Ger cars that come over the border from the USA into Canada????? DIdn't those cars get duty slapped on them from the USA already ??? If so, why the **** do we need to pay some duty to bring the **** into this piss poor country?

Yes i'm pissed, and i hope the stinking politicians and car companies choke on the kickbacks and greed that turns their shity world round and round

[Makaveli the Don]

My Ridgeline was purchased in Oregon. I negotiated the price directly with the dealer and got it for less than MSRP and about $9,000 less than the best price I was able to negotiate here. I picked it up from the dealers lot in Oregon and drove it back. The only stickler was that it had to registered in the US, which is what the US company did, for a fee.

Hey, I'm assuming you live in BC since you got it from Oregon, so did you do any research before hand on where to buy? Or did you just go down and go to the first few dealerships you saw? Or did you go a few times? Because Oregon is pretty far from any borders..

[scouzi]

I hate the big 3 German car manufacturers in Canada,
BMW, Mercedes and Audi make my stomach turn. THey gouge the consumer, and spread their idiotic illogical claims for their prices....

I wish Canada had some politicians with "Balls" to go after these ******* manufacturers that invent reasons to gouge the consumer, be it with stupid logic behind forcing a consumer to change and instrument cluster, or with the dealer collusion that happens in the states......

Free trade my ASS, either we have it, and can purchase things from anywhere in Canada + USA, or we should blow it up as we are not getting our so called benefits of this whole idiotic free trade agenda which only helped the rich.

OH by the way, what scum ****er of a canadian politician invented that rule that we need to pay 6+ Percent of Duty on Jap/Ger cars that come over the border from the USA into Canada????? DIdn't those cars get duty slapped on them from the USA already ??? If so, why the **** do we need to pay some duty to bring the **** into this piss poor country?

Yes i'm pissed, and i hope the stinking politicians and car companies choke on the kickbacks and greed that turns their shity world round and round

There should be some way of getting the duty back (called duty drawback) from the US but it must be so complicated that no one bothers with it.

[Van G]

I've learned that some dealers will help you get avoid the state tax by doing a 3rd party sale to a company which resides in Alaska (no sales tax) and then sells the vehicle to you.

Would this work?: Purchase made by out-of-state US resident (relative) who then sells the vehicle to you via an agreement which can be presented at the Cdn Border. Vehicle is never registered in the relative's state so that state's sales tax doesn't need to be paid. You present the agreement and bill of sale at the border and pay Cdn sales taxes and other std fees.

Suggestions?

[dunone]

Hey, I'm assuming you live in BC since you got it from Oregon, so did you do any research before hand on where to buy? Or did you just go down and go to the first few dealerships you saw? Or did you go a few times? Because Oregon is pretty far from any borders..

The dealer was originally located through Craigs List. He gave me some Canadian references, which I checked out. Then he gave me a good price. The only time I went to Oregon was when I picked up my Ridgeline.

[johnsa]

I've learned that some dealers will help you get avoid the state tax by doing a 3rd party sale to a company which resides in Alaska (no sales tax) and then sells the vehicle to you.

Would this work?: Purchase made by out-of-state US resident (relative) who then sells the vehicle to you via an agreement which can be presented at the Cdn Border. Vehicle is never registered in the relative's state so that state's sales tax doesn't need to be paid. You present the agreement and bill of sale at the border and pay Cdn sales taxes and other std fees.

Suggestions?

:confused:

[shopper-X]

A friend is looking at a Pickup Truck but it has a lift. The dealer mentioned that it will NOT pass Canadian inspections with the lift and must go back to factory spec.

Is this true? Anyone import a vehicle with a lift?

[Kamloops]

A friend is looking at a Pickup Truck but it has a lift. The dealer mentioned that it will NOT pass Canadian inspections with the lift and must go back to factory spec.

Is this true? Anyone import a vehicle with a lift?

My friend is a Mechanic at Canadian Tire and he does the inspections. He told me as long as the headlight is not 29 inches above the ground it will be ok. You may want to double check with them.

[shopper-X]

My friend is a Mechanic at Canadian Tire and he does the inspections. He told me as long as the headlight is not 29 inches above the ground it will be ok. You may want to double check with them.

Thanks.

[Anonymouse]

There was a whole series of pictures of jacked-up pickups on their sides in the local paper this summer. The height of these vehicles in stock configuration is bad enough without exacerbating the problem with a lift kit. If you roll a truck or tip one over because you had to avoid a kid in the street, you are almost guaranteed to be injured or killed.

There is also the issue of crash compatibility - do you really want to be responsible for injuring someone unnecessarily when your jacked-up engine block goes straight through their window opening?

[Makaveli the Don]

The dealer was originally located through Craigs List. He gave me some Canadian references, which I checked out. Then he gave me a good price. The only time I went to Oregon was when I picked up my Ridgeline.

All done over the phone?

By any chance were the references that place on Kent and Heather?

[restaurant guy]

I thought that dealers already adjusted their pricing to compensate for our strong dollar. Is there still a point to buy cars in the US and bring them here?

[AMD]

I think before posting such a comment you should at least read a few of the 1000+ pages of this thread.

I think you'd answer your question pretty quickly.

I thought that dealers already adjusted their pricing to compensate for our strong dollar. Is there still a point to buy cars in the US and bring them here?

[zitremedy]

So disappointed, we still have not found our GL320 (and likely won't b/c of MB Canada), but I drove the Yukon Hybrid on the weekend and liked it, enough to hunt for one.

Found a GM buy back at a dealer 2008 with 2800 miles for $38k!!!! They can't sell it to a Canuck!!! some sort of regulation from our government b/c it's a returned vehicle..:mad: :mad:

Not happy right now

I am smelling BS. I just finished the import process on a Pontiac Solstice that was a GM buy back (saved about $8k from what similar used would be here). In my case, the buy back was a result of a repeat problem that was fixed under warranty. Following the buy-back, GM released a recall for that very problem with updated parts. I have driven over 2500 miles without any issues.

There are several levels of 'buy back' however.... some requiring the title to be 'branded' stating it was a buy-back. For my car, the title was not branded, and I had no issues with the purchase or import. Not sure if a 'branded' title would result in a problem.

Either way, I purchased in Plymouth, WI through Joe Van Horn Chev. No sales tax in WI by the way. Contact Shannon, the internet sales manager. She took care of everything. They were an absolute pleasure to deal with. Would buy from them again in a heartbeat.

[dunone]

Actually mainly done on the internet. Reference were individuals from both AB and BC that had previusly purchased cars this way. One was in Richmond, one in Vancouver and one in Calgary.


All done over the phone?

By any chance were the references that place on Kent and Heather?

[southpaw4golf]

A friend is looking at a Pickup Truck but it has a lift. The dealer mentioned that it will NOT pass Canadian inspections with the lift and must go back to factory spec.

Is this true? Anyone import a vehicle with a lift?

I just imported a 07 Tacoma, super clean, SR5 TRD, etc,etc...
Has a 3" lift, no problem passing inspections. BTW with the lift and tires this sucka rides high, and looks badass.

[shopper-X]

I just imported a 07 Tacoma, super clean, SR5 TRD, etc,etc...
Has a 3" lift, no problem passing inspections. BTW with the lift and tires this sucka rides high, and looks badass.

My friend is looking at a 2008 Taco in Super White and this thing looks sweet.

[DarkCat]

...but if I can save even more $$$ by going further south, I will. Check out those links :
http://display.tcpalm.com/ROP/Subcat.aspx?cat=6941
http://marketplace.tbo.com/ROP/Subcat.aspx?cat=9597&subcat=9599
http://newspaperads.miami.com/ROP/Subcat.aspx?cat=3330&ptype=ROP_TEXT
http://shopping.news-journalonline.com/ROP/Subcat.aspx?cat=3330&subcat=3379

Does anyone have the same kind of links for states close to the border
(like Vermont, NY or New Hampshire )? Thanks.

If you google "newspaper ads" automotive, you shd get plenty of links.
You might throw in "powered by travidia" if you like; again, lots of hits.

[Van G]

I'm sure someone will know the site which I can't recall right now, but there is one that explicitly tracks automotive ads in the US. You could search make/model and then they had an odd plugin required to view the ads.

Anyone know what I'm talking about?

If you google "newspaper ads" automotive, you shd get plenty of links.
You might throw in "powered by travidia" if you like; again, lots of hits.

[sienna owner]

I'm sure someone will know the site which I can't recall right now, but there is one that explicitly tracks automotive ads in the US. You could search make/model and then they had an odd plugin required to view the ads.

Anyone know what I'm talking about?

this one??

http://www.motoralley.com/

[dracore]

i was never able to ever get that plugin to work in either IE or FF3

[drunkgoat]

seriously considering a Buick, has anyone had experience with dealing with New York dealers?

[sienna owner]

seriously considering a Buick, has anyone had experience with dealing with New York dealers?

not in NYC, but you'll may be hard pressed to find any GM dealership in the northern states willing to sell any more.

[DarkCat]

this one??

http://www.motoralley.com/


I looked at it, but was seldom able to validate anything listed.
The Google search suggested allows you to actually see the newspaper ad as it was printed.

[pothos]

Anyone who has imported a Volvo C30 please contact me.
I really want to import one but don't know where to buy.
Thank you.

[yenjay]

Does anyone know a dealer around Buffalo willing to sell Used Toyota Sienna

[jed]

A used unit should be no issue - the issue would be finding one that meets your requirements

[yummie]

I would like to thank Maggot and Carburner for making this happen. I have been following this thread for about 2 years. Also would like to thank all members who have shared their experiences, making it easier for the next person.

Anyways purchased a Ford Expedition Limited 2008 fully loaded in New York City. I saved about $30,000 CDN. This vehicle had about a 1000 miles on it.

At the Cdn border, they wanted to charge me a Green levy. WTF!!!! I told them that it is a truck. They didn't care. They checked their systems, and of coarse there was no tax (green levy) on the Expedition. The Expedition is a F150 truck.

The Green Levy was introduced in March 2007. For example a Ford Explorer would pay $2000. A Corvette pays nothing. A Hummer H3 pays $1000-$2000 depending on tranny. A H2 pays nothing.

I took the famous LITO route. Crossed LEWISTON bridge, went to RIV, then CT, then MTO Everything was within a couple hours. By the time I got to the MTO office, they didn't have my stuff on the system. I came in the next day a got my plates. I've read on this forum, that you can do everything in half a day. I still don't understand what MTO was waiting for, why they couldn't process all my stuff the same day.

Anyways, I hope this sheds a bit more light on the process, and will hang around for the next couple weeks trying to answer any questions, I think its the least I can do.

Yummie

[michelb]

...

At the Cdn border, they wanted to charge me a Green levy. WTF!!!! I told them that it is a truck. They didn't care. They checked their systems, and of coarse there was no tax (green levy) on the Expedition. The Expedition is a F150 truck.

The Green Levy was introduced in March 2007. For example a Ford Explorer would pay $2000. A Corvette pays nothing. A Hummer H3 pays $1000-$2000 depending on tranny. A H2 pays nothing.

...

Congrats on the purchase but I'm really surprised you were able to get out of paying the Green Levy; according to Ford, the Expedition is a SUV and according to CRA, you have to pay Green Levy on SUVs (not on pick-up trucks ...).

According to this article (http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/070321-1.htm), the Expedition is charged $3000 of green levy tax ...

Let us know if you get a letter back asking for it at some point (but for your sake I hope you don't).

[vipt2000]

Actually mainly done on the internet. Reference were individuals from both AB and BC that had previusly purchased cars this way. One was in Richmond, one in Vancouver and one in Calgary.

what is the name of broker? Also, since the car is less than 6 months old, would your warranty is void with Honda once your register the car in Canada?

Thanks

[Kamloops]

Congrats on the purchase but I'm really surprised you were able to get out of paying the Green Levy; according to Ford, the Expedition is a SUV and according to CRA, you have to pay Green Levy on SUVs (not on pick-up trucks ...).

According to this article (http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/070321-1.htm), the Expedition is charged $3000 of green levy tax ...

Let us know if you get a letter back asking for it at some point (but for your sake I hope you don't).
Expedition is not even on the list.

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/whtsnw/tms/lst_vh-eng.pdf

[michelb]

Expedition is not even on the list.

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/whtsnw/tms/lst_vh-eng.pdf

That list is just an example and isn't a full list (says 'This is provided for reference purposes only and is not
intended to be a definitive all-inclusive listing of vehicles and associated tax rates' right at the top. Please note, vehicles not appearing on this listing may still
be subject to the fuel-inefficient tax. Further information on the excise tax on fuel-inefficient vehicles, including how to calculate the tax
for vehicles not appearing on this listing, can be found in the Excise Taxes and Special Levies Notice ET/SL64 at www.craarc.gc.ca/E/pub/et/etsl64/README.html. ...)

-- update ---
link copied seems broken but here http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/trade-commerce/tariff-tarif/2007/tn21a-eng.html says

... What kind of vehicle is affected?

The Green Levy applies to new vehicles that are designed primarily to carry passengers, including station wagons, vans and sport-utility vehicles, with fuel-efficiency ratings of 13.0 L/100 km or more. The excise tax does not apply to pick-up trucks and certain other types of specialty vehicles may also be excluded. ...

Which I believe the Expedition would fall under.


- this might be correct link http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/gncy/bdgt/2007/xcs-eng.html

[yummie]

Expedition is not even on the list.

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/whtsnw/tms/lst_vh-eng.pdf

Thanks for the 2008 list

I noticed the Ford Explorer is only $1000.00 green levy. In 2007 it was $2000.00.

What I forgot to mention about my purchase was I didn't need a recall letter because it is a Ford product. And Ford Canada lets me keep my warranty 100 %

[yummie]

That list is just an example and isn't a full list (says 'This is provided for reference purposes only and is not
intended to be a definitive all-inclusive listing of vehicles and associated tax rates' right at the top. Please note, vehicles not appearing on this listing may still
be subject to the fuel-inefficient tax. Further information on the excise tax on fuel-inefficient vehicles, including how to calculate the tax
for vehicles not appearing on this listing, can be found in the Excise Taxes and Special Levies Notice ET/SL64 at www.craarc.gc.ca/E/pub/et/etsl64/README.html. ...)

-- update ---
link copied seems broken but here http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/trade-commerce/tariff-tarif/2007/tn21a-eng.html says

... What kind of vehicle is affected?

The Green Levy applies to new vehicles that are designed primarily to carry passengers, including station wagons, vans and sport-utility vehicles, with fuel-efficiency ratings of 13.0 L/100 km or more. The excise tax does not apply to pick-up trucks and certain other types of specialty vehicles may also be excluded. ...

Which I believe the Expedition would fall under.


- this might be correct link http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/gncy/bdgt/2007/xcs-eng.html

Are you trying to tell me that the border has not updated their systems since March 2007. At the border, they couldn't find the Ford Expedition in there computers(database). Its not that difficult to update. They want money!!!!! On the Retail Certificate of Sale it states Make: Ford Truck Model :Expedition On my form 1 box eleven was check marked, which is Truck. For example, Hummer H2 can't be found on the list. There are more vehicled like the H2,Expedition,etc. that are not on the list.

[michelb]

Are you trying to tell me that the border has not updated their systems since March 2007. At the border, they couldn't find the Ford Expedition on the list. On the retail certificate of sale it states Make: Ford Truck Model :Expedition On my form 1 box eleven was checkmarked, which is Truck

No idea how their system is made but the link provided specifically says that if your vehicle is not on there, it doesn't mean you don't have to pay the Green Levy, also CRA info says that Green Levy is applicable to '... sport utility vehicles ... designed primarily to carry passengers ...' which is probably how they would describe the Expedition. For the time being at least, I would probably keep a bit saved up in case they contact you requested that you pay the tax.

From what I can tell the Expedition is rated at 17.1/12.4 which is a weighed average for 14.985 according to CRAs calc which means they could request $2000 (or even $3000 depending on how they round the value, since the mileage value appears to be rounded to the nearest tenth, they might do the same as well (mathematically, this is the correct thing to do (i.e. the 12.4 could really be 12.35 to 12.44 so you should round to 1 digit since that's as precise as the data you have) which would round your milleage out to 15.0).

[lanny1]

Does anyone have a contact in the NW US that will deal on a new MDX. I have been helping a friend try to buy one and I keep running into "I can't sell to ....". This is worse than when I bought my Sienna. WA dealers are not very cooperative. Must have to much business.

[rjmbc]

Does anyone have a contact in the NW US that will deal on a new MDX. I have been helping a friend try to buy one and I keep running into "I can't sell to ....". This is worse than when I bought my Sienna. WA dealers are not very cooperative. Must have to much business.

PM me if you are interested in one in Oregon.

[jed]

That list is just an example and isn't a full list (says 'This is provided for reference purposes only and is not
intended to be a definitive all-inclusive listing of vehicles and associated tax rates' right at the top. Please note, vehicles not appearing on this listing may still
be subject to the fuel-inefficient tax. Further information on the excise tax on fuel-inefficient vehicles, including how to calculate the tax
for vehicles not appearing on this listing, can be found in the Excise Taxes and Special Levies Notice ET/SL64 at www.craarc.gc.ca/E/pub/et/etsl64/README.html. ...)

-- update ---
link copied seems broken but here http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/trade-commerce/tariff-tarif/2007/tn21a-eng.html says

... What kind of vehicle is affected?

The Green Levy applies to new vehicles that are designed primarily to carry passengers, including station wagons, vans and sport-utility vehicles, with fuel-efficiency ratings of 13.0 L/100 km or more. The excise tax does not apply to pick-up trucks and certain other types of specialty vehicles may also be excluded. ...

Which I believe the Expedition would fall under.


- this might be correct link http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/gncy/bdgt/2007/xcs-eng.html

Now would this make a difference since it states the Green Levy applies to "new" and this particular purchase was "used" with a 1000 miles on it?

[cinqhoda]

Now would this make a difference since it states the Green Levy applies to "new" and this particular purchase was "used" with a 1000 miles on it?

Here is a quote from CRA's website:

Q.7 Are used vehicles imported into Canada subject to this new tax?

A.7 If the vehicle was put into service prior to March 20, 2007 and imported into Canada on or after March 20, 2007, the tax does not apply.

If the vehicle was put into service on or after March 20, 2007 and imported into Canada, the tax would apply provided the weighted average fuel consumption rating of 13 or more litres per 100 km.

An automobile is considered to be put into service at the earliest of:

* the date the automobile is registered with a motor vehicle authority;
* the date it is plated;
* the date on which the automobile's warranty has been put in place; or
* the date the automobile is appropriated by a dealer for their own use.

[jed]

Interesting - I would suspect that the onus is on the importer to prove the inservice date then too.

[eastsidesubaru]

So... We are now offering a lifetime warranty at no extra cost on the powertrain... It is good for the original owner.
I am trying to double check, but from what I am told, it is valid in Canada!!!! :cheesygri So something else to consider... :)



-Zach Bridge
Eastside Subaru
1-800-923-5621
http://www.eastsidesubaru.com/
http://www.carburner.com/

[nubpotato]

I went to a local subaru dealer looking for a WRX the other day... when the dealer couldnt come up with the one I wanted I said I am probably just going to import a 2009 from the states in a couple months, but he was saying starting with 2009 models SoA warranties are no longer valid in Canada.... I think the salesman was just pulling my leg but can anyone confirm? >.>

im just really pissed off why WRX in Canada has like over $3000 markup from invoice price..

[Cars4Canadians]

I went to a local subaru dealer looking for a WRX the other day... when the dealer couldnt come up with the one I wanted I said I am probably just going to import a 2009 from the states in a couple months, but he was saying starting with 2009 models SoA warranties are no longer valid in Canada.... I think the salesman was just pulling my leg but can anyone confirm? >.>

im just really pissed off why WRX in Canada has like over $3000 markup from invoice price..

An American audi dealer said the same thing about Audi's next year not having warranty in Canada,

We get screwed no matter what... the only thing to do is stop buying/leasing cars as long as possible, drive the car you got until it explodes.

[Oiler11]

I went to a local subaru dealer looking for a WRX the other day... when the dealer couldnt come up with the one I wanted I said I am probably just going to import a 2009 from the states in a couple months, but he was saying starting with 2009 models SoA warranties are no longer valid in Canada.... I think the salesman was just pulling my leg but can anyone confirm? >.>

im just really pissed off why WRX in Canada has like over $3000 markup from invoice price..

I've got an imported 09 Forester and before I bought it I called Subaru America and they confirmed it would have warranty coverage in Canada (through reimbursement).

[hhhm3]

An American audi dealer said the same thing about Audi's next year not having warranty in Canada,

We get screwed no matter what... the only thing to do is stop buying/leasing cars as long as possible, drive the car you got until it explodes.

Really, an American dealer told you that... hard to believe. You should confirm that with Audi Canada first.
sometimes sales people can be full of baloney.
But that is true, Audi have bad business sense and should fire their entire business department. They would lose sale to the many other car makes that do offer NA warranty.
I mean, what is more important to the survival of Audi, the sales or maintaining the Canadian markets (small market anyways) by forcing Canadians not to by US Audi.
Canadians will just buy somewhere else like BMW etc...
I would punish the Canadian market for having inflated pricing and the the car maker for putting limitations on importing US cars by not buying from either one.

[Tuppin]

An American audi dealer said the same thing about Audi's next year not having warranty in Canada,

We get screwed no matter what... the only thing to do is stop buying/leasing cars as long as possible, drive the car you got until it explodes.

They will probably follow along with what VW did. VW halted warranty coverage on 2009 vehicles imported from the US (our 2008 Eos is OK!). Audi is ok for 2009 vehicles but will probably halt warranty on 2010 vehicles.

What happened with all the lawsuits?!?! I thought people were going after the companies for not selling to Canadians and not honoring warranties.

[Gavana]

Anyone know if GM/HUMMER H3's warranty is transferrable to Canada? :?:

[junkmonk]

burn in hell along with the gas that you'll be wasting. :twisted:

[johnsa]

burn in hell along with the gas that you'll be wasting. :twisted:


+1:evil:

:cheesygri :cheesygri

[Danno2005]

Anyone know if GM/HUMMER H3's warranty is transferrable to Canada? :?:

Burn all the gas you want - free market forever.

:cheesygri

[lanny1]

I am still looking for an Acura MDX dealer in MT, ID, WA or OR. I did notice what appears to be some US dealers or salesmen advertising new vehicles on Craigs List in Calgary & Vancouver. Anyone contact these guys?

[tomw]

I went to a local subaru dealer looking for a WRX the other day... when the dealer couldnt come up with the one I wanted I said I am probably just going to import a 2009 from the states in a couple months, but he was saying starting with 2009 models SoA warranties are no longer valid in Canada.... I think the salesman was just pulling my leg but can anyone confirm? >.>

im just really pissed off why WRX in Canada has like over $3000 markup from invoice price..

He was lying to you. Warranty is still valid, you just have to pay upfront and send the receipt in for a refund or drive south of the border and have it fixed there.

[cinqhoda]

Anyone know if GM/HUMMER H3's warranty is transferrable to Canada? :?:

There is delayed coverage. Which means that after you register your vehicle in Canada, you have to wait 6 months before GM's warranty coverage begins.

[HP_John]

He was lying to you. Warranty is still valid, you just have to pay upfront and send the receipt in for a refund or drive south of the border and have it fixed there.

It might not be all BS, because some manufacturers have changed their policy on warranty for 09 models. The policy that you talk of is the current 1 but it may change, I don't know. Maybe hold off for now, & confirm with Subaru corporate before buying.

[HCaulfield]

for those that got their car "delivered" or "transported" - to a site close to the border - which companies are you using and how long does it usually take, how safe is it, and do they tell you when it is going to arrive so you can go and meet them for pick up to bring across border?

[Gabriel Kish]

I've used this company for years without one problem. Very good prices too. We have them take the Jag's right to the customers home, after they cross the border.


http://www.poseytrans.com/about/

GKish
Jaguar of Novi

[HP_John]

for those that got their car "delivered" or "transported" - to a site close to the border - which companies are you using and how long does it usually take, how safe is it, and do they tell you when it is going to arrive so you can go and meet them for pick up to bring across border?

They can deliver very close to the border, I used Dependable Auto Shippers. It took 3 wks, you should buy their insurance coverage in case anything happens while they have your car. They give you an estimate date, but it's not 100%. You have to pay extra for a guaranteed exact date (sucks, I know). In my case, they shipped to their depot near Buffalo, then called me & said I could pick it up within the next 5 days at no extra expense for storage. After 5 days, storage fees apply.

[hugedrive]

Please help me.

I'm planning on buying a car in NY State using my uncle's address in Florida. Only Problem is that the dealer is asking me for my SSN. I do not have one but my uncle does.

How can I get around that?

Could I just give the money to my uncle who could then buy it for me. He would then resell the car to me.

Only problem I see with that is that my name will not be on the Title. Could this pose a problem when exporting/importing/plating the car?

Please help me, i'm lost

[dracore]

They can deliver very close to the border, I used Dependable Auto Shippers. It took 3 wks, you should buy their insurance coverage in case anything happens while they have your car. They give you an estimate date, but it's not 100%. You have to pay extra for a guaranteed exact date (sucks, I know). In my case, they shipped to their depot near Buffalo, then called me & said I could pick it up within the next 5 days at no extra expense for storage. After 5 days, storage fees apply.

I'm interested in having it shipped too. I think one thing to worry about having the car transported to a depot is the possibility that they have weak security and there's a chance your car could be stolen. HP_John, when you went to pick up your car can you describe how secure their facility was?

[Anonymouse]

Please help me.

I'm planning on buying a car in NY State using my uncle's address in Florida. Only Problem is that the dealer is asking me for my SSN. I do not have one but my uncle does.

How can I get around that?


You could always bluff and say you're not asking for credit; you're paying cash for the car and he doesn't need your SSN. Threaten to walk.

On the other hand, if the state you're buying in doesn't have some kind of agreement to collect Florida tax, there may be no downside to having your uncle front the deal if you make a condition of sale that "dealer shall provide blank Manufacturer Statement of Origin at time of delivery."

[Anonymouse]

I'm finding that the prices for lightly used 2006 Volvo V70s in Canada are not all that far off what you'd pay in the States after you factor in the 6.1% duty. I wasn't expecting that.

[jakemtl]

Please help me.

I'm planning on buying a car in NY State using my uncle's address in Florida. Only Problem is that the dealer is asking me for my SSN. I do not have one but my uncle does.

How can I get around that?

Could I just give the money to my uncle who could then buy it for me. He would then resell the car to me.

Only problem I see with that is that my name will not be on the Title. Could this pose a problem when exporting/importing/plating the car?

Please help me, i'm lost

Tell him that you do not provide your SSN to anyone in order to protect yourself from possible identity theft (in the event that personal info is lost). You will be happy to provide any other information.

[Ven0r]

for those that got their car "delivered" or "transported" - to a site close to the border - which companies are you using and how long does it usually take, how safe is it, and do they tell you when it is going to arrive so you can go and meet them for pick up to bring across border?

Take a look at uship.com, you'll get a better price, and most likely better service. I've shipped boats and cars using this service and it's great. Basically you input the start and end location, and you can name your price, or have shippers bid for the job. You'll be able to check their feedback, history, etc. With the boat i just bought in i met the guy in Lewiston, NY, and imported it myself.

[browna]

There is delayed coverage. Which means that after you register your vehicle in Canada, you have to wait 6 months before GM's warranty coverage begins.

Is this correct?

I thought as long as the vehicle was "in service" for 6 months or 12K km, no matter if that time and km were spent while the vehicle was still in the US, or imported already into Canada, the warranty was valid.

[sienna owner]

Is this correct?

I thought as long as the vehicle was "in service" for 6 months or 12K km, no matter if that time and km were spent while the vehicle was still in the US, or imported already into Canada, the warranty was valid.

actually...it has to be 6 months AND 12K kms...must be both before any warranty work can be done.

[browna]

actually...it has to be 6 months AND 12K kms...must be both before any warranty work can be done.

Ok, but if I import a used GM car that has been in service 1 year and has 20,000km on it from the previous owner, warranty work can be done on it here in Canada immediately, right?.

Surely those restrictions and that clock doesn't start ticking only after it gets imported to Canada...how would that be tracked from GM?

[PrimeBane]

Ok, but if I import a used GM car that has been in service 1 year and has 20,000km on it from the previous owner, warranty work can be done on it here in Canada immediately, right?

Yes :)

My 2007 Saturn Outlook was 8 months old and had 20,000 odd km on it when I imported... unfortunately I've had it in 3 times for warranty work for roof leaks. :(

When you bring it across, call GM Canada so they register the warranty in your name. You won't get recall notifications so you'll need to check online periodically for them, but they will take car of you as long as the vehicle is under warranty.

[shopper-X]

Yes :)

My 2007 Saturn Outlook was 8 months old and had 20,000 odd km on it when I imported... unfortunately I've had it in 3 times for warranty work for roof leaks. :(

When you bring it across, call GM Canada so they register the warranty in your name. You won't get recall notifications so you'll need to check online periodically for them, but they will take car of you as long as the vehicle is under warranty.

Have you looked to see if the state you bought your 2007 Saturn Outlook has a Lemon Law? 3 times for the same problem I think would fail in to this law.
I bought a Subaru from Oregon and used the Lemon Law for faulty servicing in Canada.

[PrimeBane]

I'm not quite to that point yet... the leaks have been in different spots each time and are know issues.

I'll give it another chance or two. I purchased in Minnesota and I haven't checked their lemon laws yet.

[IrishAssassin]

I'm not sure if this question was asked, but how would leasing a car in the US work if it works at all?

[HELEU]

I'm not sure if this question was asked, but how would leasing a car in the US work if it works at all?

I've heard these guys offer leases:
http://www.tlsi.ca/

Anyone have any experience? I would be interested...

[HP_John]

I'm interested in having it shipped too. I think one thing to worry about having the car transported to a depot is the possibility that they have weak security and there's a chance your car could be stolen. HP_John, when you went to pick up your car can you describe how secure their facility was?

DAS literally has tons of "depots", I don't think they own any of them. My "depot" turned out to be the big parking lot of a big car repair shop. Come to think of it, I guess the security is weak/non-existent, but I guess that's what buying insurance is for (insurance with the shipping co.). I saw many high-end cars in the "depot"/lot.

[HP_John]

I've heard these guys offer leases:
http://www.tlsi.ca/

Anyone have any experience? I would be interested...

I've heard that Cdns getting US leases are very expensive, because you're not paying the same low lease/interest rates Americans are paying. Say the US manufacturer is offering leases at 3%, but when Cdns go through a 3rd party, that same car will have a 6% lease rate. A 3% higher lease rate makes a big difference.

BMW Canada even showed a comparison of a Cdn leasing a US BMW vs a Cdn leasing a Cdn BMW, but didn't show a comparison of a Cdn buying a US car (because with buying, obviously the Cdn will save way more buying a US car). BMW's comparison on leasing actually used a fairly realistic comparison. I hate BMW Canada for their BS extra fees on imports, but on leasing, it appears Cdns have no real choice in the US.

[yenjay]

We found a 2005 Honda Odyssey EX in the US for 21K with DVD, CD, leather,power sliding doors, moon roof with 34K miles mileage. Is this a competitive price?

[perfchris]

For a couple of thousand more you could get a brand new 2008 !

We found a 2005 Honda Odyssey EX in the US for 21K with DVD, CD, leather,power sliding doors, moon roof with 34K miles mileage. Is this a competitive price?

[michelb]

I'm not quite to that point yet... the leaks have been in different spots each time and are know issues.

I'll give it another chance or two. I purchased in Minnesota and I haven't checked their lemon laws yet.

Unfortunately Minnesota lemon law won't help you since it only applies to new vehicles. (http://www.ag.state.mn.us/consumer/cars/MNcarlaws/MNCarLaws_1.asp).

[PrimeBane]

Unfortunately Minnesota lemon law won't help you since it only applies to new vehicles. (http://www.ag.state.mn.us/consumer/cars/MNcarlaws/MNCarLaws_1.asp).

Thanks michelb :)

Thankfully the local dealership has been able to fix the new leak each time, but I still get paranoid driving it in the rain. Stupid moon roofs! :(

[hardywang]

388 pages:confused:

Need a whole year to read them all...:mad:

[Slider0906]

Hello, I am looking to get a GMC from the US and now I am hearing about this immobilizer problem. Just curious what I would need to get and how much it would cost to get the vehicle changed to meet the Canadian standards 114.

Thanks

[PrimeBane]

Hello, I am looking to get a GMC from the US and now I am hearing about this immobilizer problem. Just curious what I would need to get and how much it would cost to get the vehicle changed to meet the Canadian standards 114.

Thanks

If it's newer GM, you shouldn't have to worry about it... GM factory installs an immobilizer on most new units. Check the particular one you want to buy.

[michelb]

Hello, I am looking to get a GMC from the US and now I am hearing about this immobilizer problem. Just curious what I would need to get and how much it would cost to get the vehicle changed to meet the Canadian standards 114.

Thanks

If it's newer GM, you shouldn't have to worry about it... GM factory installs an immobilizer on most new units. Check the particular one you want to buy.

As PrimeBane said, chances are it's got an immobilizer - you just have to confirm that. The law was changed that now, if it's got a US immobilizer, it's fine (no need to prove that it meets standard 114). If it doesn't have one, then you do need to find a place to have one installed and although several people have asked about it, I don't know if anyone ever really got a good answer (probably easier/cheaper to just buy a vehicle that has one (even if it means upgrading to a more expensive trim)).

[bruceferns]

I do not know if this is B*****T the US dealers are dishing out or if it is really true.

I have heard from two dealers stating that if an individual tells them that they are taking the car to Canada, the new agreement states that they cannot sell a car to the individual.

This is crazy, I am looking to purchase a new or used Camry and I cannot find the right price.

Anyways, if anyone has purchased a Toyota within the last few months, may I please request that you PM me the dealership that will sell to Canadians.

If there is a class action lawsuit going on I have a large number of Emails that state specifically they will not sell to Canadians.

Bruce

[LVC70]

My Mazda deal collapsed due to rediculous pricing. Does anyone have either or Toyota or Mazda dealer close to Edmonton that is willing to treat Canadians fairly?

[Danno2005]

I do not know if this is B*****T the US dealers are dishing out or if it is really true.

I have heard from two dealers stating that if an individual tells them that they are taking the car to Canada, the new agreement states that they cannot sell a car to the individual.

This is crazy, I am looking to purchase a new or used Camry and I cannot find the right price.

Anyways, if anyone has purchased a Toyota within the last few months, may I please request that you PM me the dealership that will sell to Canadians.

If there is a class action lawsuit going on I have a large number of Emails that state specifically they will not sell to Canadians.

Bruce

http://www.toyotakeene.com/canadian.htm

[dinesh_zee]

Is it a good choice to go for the certified used cars at honda.ca or acura.ca that come with 6 year pt warranty? instead of buying from a local dealer or pvt seller if the price diff is not significant...

[hagbard]

http://www.toyotakeene.com/canadian.htm

What am I missing, don't seem to be any savings there. Unless they are selling to us for less than the MLP on their site.

[rjmbc]

My Mazda deal collapsed due to rediculous pricing. Does anyone have either or Toyota or Mazda dealer close to Edmonton that is willing to treat Canadians fairly?

I can supply dealer contacts for either Toyota or Mazda in Montana & Oregon. PM me if you want the information.

[hardywang]

I was told GM does not allow US dealer sell new car to Canadian, is it ture? How about asking a US friend buy the new car first and trade with him as used?

[sienna owner]

I was told GM does not allow US dealer sell new car to Canadian, is it ture? How about asking a US friend buy the new car first and trade with him as used?

in-law had his nephew purchase it and then "sold" privately to him...taxes had to be paid.

[Danno2005]

What am I missing, don't seem to be any savings there. Unless they are selling to us for less than the MLP on their site.

All I did was answer the OP question on a Toyota US dealer that will sell to Canadians - the rest is up to the OP.

[hagbard]

Is Van Bortel still the best place near Ontario (I'm near Windsor) to buy a Subaru Outback? This is what they're offering me:

"The base Outback 2.5i has a factory invoice price of $22,005 including freight and manual transmission. Automatic adds $912 bringing the invoice price to $22,917. The Outback 2.5i Special Edition manual transmission is $23,506 and the automatic is $24,418."

Other dealers?

[Slider0906]

I was told GM does not allow US dealer sell new car to Canadian, is it ture? How about asking a US friend buy the new car first and trade with him as used?

You are correct that GM won't sell NEW to Canadians but will sell used.

If you plan on doing the friend buy one and re sell deal, check into it as it still could be a deal but you have to pay Taxes up front on MRSP price---not final sale price. So if the MRSP is 40,000.00 but rebates and such bring it down to 30,000.00 you pay state tax on 10,000.00 and if your in Seattle it's 9.3%. You also have to pay for registration also. In the end it's a lot of wasted $$$ for a deal especially when you come home and have to pay another 5% and whatever other provincal tax.

[rjmbc]

You are correct that GM won't sell NEW to Canadians but will sell used.

If you plan on doing the friend buy one and re sell deal, check into it as it still could be a deal but you have to pay Taxes up front on MRSP price---not final sale price. So if the MRSP is 40,000.00 but rebates and such bring it down to 30,000.00 you pay state tax on 10,000.00 and if your in Seattle it's 9.3%. You also have to pay for registration also. In the end it's a lot of wasted $$$ for a deal especially when you come home and have to pay another 5% and whatever other provincal tax.

Just buy in a state with no taxes- Montana/Oregon/Alaska - in the west. I believe there are ones in the east as well.

[Slider0906]

Just buy in a state with no taxes- Montana/Oregon/Alaska - in the west. I believe there are ones in the east as well.

good point, as long as you have friends and family in those states.

[Slider0906]

Anyone recommend any Vehicle carriers out there besides uship.com?

Looking to ship from Alabama to Montana.

Thanks

[richmak]

Anyone who has imported lately? What is the best port to use in the Niagara area?

Please tell your experience on the doc needed (e.g., faxing the title 72hrs in advance, whether 2 physical copies of titles needed when crossing, ...) in exporting through the particular USA port office.

Thanks and appreciate the sharing.

[shopper-X]

Anyone who has imported lately? What is the best port to use in the Niagara area?

Please tell your experience on the doc needed (e.g., faxing the title 72hrs in advance, whether 2 physical copies of titles needed when crossing, ...) in exporting through the particular USA port office.

Thanks and appreciate the sharing.

Best place to check is www.carburner.com where there is a step-by-step guide for a lot of crossings.

[sienna owner]

Anyone who has imported lately? What is the best port to use in the Niagara area?

Please tell your experience on the doc needed (e.g., faxing the title 72hrs in advance, whether 2 physical copies of titles needed when crossing, ...) in exporting through the particular USA port office.

Thanks and appreciate the sharing.

there's actually only one port that you can export out of the states form in the Niagara area....and you can only do it mon-friday 8 - 3:30...
i say 3:30, cause a lot of ppl on this forum have experience "soup-nazi" attitude from the "she-devil" that does it..do a forum search and you'll find which port it is...

[voodoo401]

We found a 2005 Honda Odyssey EX in the US for 21K with DVD, CD, leather,power sliding doors, moon roof with 34K miles mileage. Is this a competitive price?

Check autotrader.ca

[HP_John]

Anyone who has imported lately? What is the best port to use in the Niagara area?

Please tell your experience on the doc needed (e.g., faxing the title 72hrs in advance, whether 2 physical copies of titles needed when crossing, ...) in exporting through the particular USA port office.

Thanks and appreciate the sharing.

Queenston-Lewiston Bridge is the only 1 you can use to import cars. After faxing, call them to make sure they got it, some went 72 hrs after faxing & wrongly assumed that the border got their fax. Make sure it's actually a full 72 hrs, they're strict on it. I only needed 1 copy of the MCO/MSO, which is like a title on new cars.

[hagbard]

Looks like it will be a bit of a hassle to import. We don't have any car at the moment so we're going to get a Corolla here. We understand that the prices on that car are pretty close to the US prices.

Maybe next time we buy a car we'll try buying in the States (better yet, they'll equalize by then).

[sienna owner]

Looks like it will be a bit of a hassle to import. We don't have any car at the moment so we're going to get a Corolla here. We understand that the prices on that car are pretty close to the US prices.

Maybe next time we buy a car we'll try buying in the States (better yet, they'll equalize by then).

by "we understand" ... was this info you got from a sales?? i hope not!!
would recommend you call a few dealers in the south if you haven't done your own comparison.

[davey_fl]

Has anyone imported a smart car? I'm thinking of picking one up for my daughter. $16K new in the US fully optioned, or $25K CAD at the local dealer...


thanks

[hagbard]

by "we understand" ... was this info you got from a sales?? i hope not!!
would recommend you call a few dealers in the south if you haven't done your own comparison.

Using MSLP. Judging by what I've read here, there aren't many Toyota dealers anywhere near where I am that will sell to Canadians. Thought about getting a Subaru Outback but they're a bit pricey even in the States and the closest dealer who deals regularly with Canadians is in Rochester NY. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[hagbard]

Has anyone imported a smart car? I'm thinking of picking one up for my daughter. $16K new in the US fully optioned, or $25K CAD at the local dealer...


thanks

I'd recommend buying a used Diesel smart here. Better mileage, likely longer life span and I suspect given recent gas prices, will hold its value better. My wife decided to keep hers and have it shipped across the country by train.

[michelb]

I'd recommend buying a used Diesel smart here. Better mileage, likely longer life span and I suspect given recent gas prices, will hold its value better. My wife decided to keep hers and have it shipped across the country by train.

I don't think I'd agree with that argument; you get about 20% better milleage with the diesel vs gasoline but diesel will likely cost 10-20% more (depends on where you are) so your net savings might be minimal . Even if the diesel was 20% cheaper on fuel, at 20000 kms a year, it's about $1500/yr in gas so the saving is only about $300/yr - even after 10 years, that's only $3000 - the poster claims the gas version is $9k less in the US. Also I'd check with a mechanic but when I asked, I was told that maintenance on a diesel will likely be more than a gas car and I don't think the longer lifespan of a diesel (arguable on vehicles that are not driven several hundred thousand kms) is a factor for most people - for the average car owner either engine will outlive the car. Resale might be a good argument but the difference might not be that great in the end.

[hagbard]

I don't think I'd agree with that argument; you get about 20% better milleage with the diesel vs gasoline but diesel will likely cost 10-20% more (depends on where you are) so your net savings might be minimal . Even if the diesel was 20% cheaper on fuel, at 20000 kms a year, it's about $1500/yr in gas so the saving is only about $300/yr - even after 10 years, that's only $3000 - the poster claims the gas version is $9k less in the US. Also I'd check with a mechanic but when I asked, I was told that maintenance on a diesel will likely be more than a gas car and I don't think the longer lifespan of a diesel (arguable on vehicles that are not driven several hundred thousand kms) is a factor for most people - for the average car owner either engine will outlive the car. Resale might be a good argument but the difference might not be that great in the end.

When you're pushing your car to the pump when gas is $4/L we'll be driving on used vegetable oil. :lol:

[sienna owner]

Using MSLP. Judging by what I've read here, there aren't many Toyota dealers anywhere near where I am that will sell to Canadians. Thought about getting a Subaru Outback but they're a bit pricey even in the States and the closest dealer who deals regularly with Canadians is in Rochester NY. Correct me if I'm wrong.


pm sent

[shopper-X]

When you're pushing your car to the pump when gas is $4/L we'll be driving on used vegetable oil. :lol:

Used vegetable oil? Why not hold off for the Flux Capacitor or Mr. Fusion?

http://www.robradikal.com/catalog/flux%20capacitor%20jpeghttp://www.cedmagic.com/featured/back-to-the-future/flux-capacitor-real.jpg

http://zedomax.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/mr_fusion.jpg

[Cars4Canadians]

I was told GM does not allow US dealer sell new car to Canadian, is it ture? How about asking a US friend buy the new car first and trade with him as used?

F**K GM,
they don't want Canadians to enjoy lower prices, i hope GM goes out of business, stupid morons.

[orion747]

Using MSLP. Judging by what I've read here, there aren't many Toyota dealers anywhere near where I am that will sell to Canadians. Thought about getting a Subaru Outback but they're a bit pricey even in the States and the closest dealer who deals regularly with Canadians is in Rochester NY. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Make a few calls, there's not a brand of dealer that won't sell. I found several dealers willing to sell to Canadians for both Lexus and Subaru. That said, some may not give you the deal you want.... (ie not invoice or below).

Despite the great info in this thread, and diligently reading it for almost a year, when the time came - I ended up buying a subaru 3.0R in Canada. Best price out of the States was $34.5 K. Got a new one here for $36K - but don't forget, with a $0.94 cent dollar, the difference was exceeded by the exchange, to say nothing about the gas to get it back from the US.

[hagbard]

Used vegetable oil? Why not hold off for the Flux Capacitor or Mr. Fusion?

http://www.robradikal.com/catalog/flux%20capacitor%20jpeghttp://www.cedmagic.com/featured/back-to-the-future/flux-capacitor-real.jpg

http://zedomax.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/mr_fusion.jpg

Not science fiction, people are doing that today (with veggie oil, not flux capacitors, that is).

[scrolllock]

On the heals of Transport Canada's "Flight Rights (http://www.tc.gc.ca/mediaroom/releases/nat/2008/08-h207e.htm)" announcement last friday ...

Today CarsWithoutBorders formally requested that the Government establish a "Car or Vehicle Rights" group to protect Canadian Automobile Consumers against Price Gouging, warranty, recall letter and overall purchasing descrimmination based on nationality, race, sex or religion!

To help kick start Mr. Cannon's department CarsWithoutBorders has submitted a "draft" Rights statement of principles and Code of conduct for Car Manufacturers and Dealers. (http://www.carswithoutborders.com/)

All comments and improvements to these documents are welcomed. Either PM us or email at info@carswithoutborders.com.

[ZeRoMaX]

I planning to purchase a used car privately in North Carolina and its seems the DMV wants an North Carolina Licenced Insurance for them to issue me temp tags. Anyone know if there a way around this, pefer if I can use an insurance company in Canada.

[yenjay]

We went to Buffalo to look for a used Honda Odyseey during the weekend. We found that Canadian dealers here are selling used US Vans ( we compared the same options) in Canada for the almost the same price( only 1000$ lower in the US) . I think the prices are not cheaper for USED US vehicles now that you can shop for used US vehicles in canada. Any comments? I was quoted for a used US Honda Odyssey EX-L 2005 with DVD player with 30Kmiles for 23k .

[Anonymouse]

I am finding the same thing that you are on used Volvos; the local dealer in my small city is not competitive, but the Toronto prices are very close to the US ones after you factor in the currency exchange penalty, foreign vehicle duty and travel costs.

It's been about a year since the idea of importing from the States has become popular, and I think the used market has adjusted somewhat to the new reality.

[Ebtek]

i can only wish the same happens to NEW vehicles. i am looking at a brand new honda CRV. fully loaded they're 29k in the US. compared to ~$40k up here

[rfd1122]

Hi All:

I am getting this deal from an agent for brand new Toyota Sienna 2008 LE Pkg 2 from USA. PLease suggest if this deal is fair;

Car price USD : 24132

CAD price:
Tax GST + PST : 3400
Out of State Regsitration - 700
Service fee - 1300
Transaportation cost - 800
Rest : 600

Thanks
J

[Marp]

An American audi dealer said the same thing about Audi's next year not having warranty in Canada,

We get screwed no matter what... the only thing to do is stop buying/leasing cars as long as possible, drive the car you got until it explodes.

I just came back with a 2009 Tribeca and, as of Aug 21st there was no change to the previous SoA reimbursement policy.

Marp

[michelb]

Hi All:

I am getting this deal from an agent for brand new Toyota Sienna 2008 LE Pkg 2 from USA. PLease suggest if this deal is fair;

Car price USD : 24132

CAD price:
Tax GST + PST : 3400
Out of State Regsitration - 700
Service fee - 1300
Transaportation cost - 800
Rest : 600

Thanks
J

Car price looks ok although for about $1k more, you could probably get a 2009 so that might be worth it simply from a resale value. Not sure what/why you have to pay for out of state reg, service fee, transportation or rest fee so can't really comment on those. I'm guessing those are the fees a broker is charging you and if that's the case, I think they are a bit high. I think some brokers might charge about $1000 or less + transport. If it is a broker, it also depends a lot on the service he's providing; where is he delivering it to? Is he delivering it to your door or are you picking up at the border? Are you paying up front or is he buying and then you are paying on delivery, etc.

[HP_John]

We went to Buffalo to look for a used Honda Odyseey during the weekend. We found that Canadian dealers here are selling used US Vans ( we compared the same options) in Canada for the almost the same price( only 1000$ lower in the US) . I think the prices are not cheaper for USED US vehicles now that you can shop for used US vehicles in canada. Any comments? I was quoted for a used US Honda Odyssey EX-L 2005 with DVD player with 30Kmiles for 23k .

The problem is you went to Buffalo. Buffalo dealers are a relative rip-off compared to other US cities for cars. So many Cdns are buying there, they don't bother to have competitive prices with other US cities.

[rfd1122]

Car price looks ok although for about $1k more, you could probably get a 2009 so that might be worth it simply from a resale value. Not sure what/why you have to pay for out of state reg, service fee, transportation or rest fee so can't really comment on those. I'm guessing those are the fees a broker is charging you and if that's the case, I think they are a bit high. I think some brokers might charge about $1000 or less + transport. If it is a broker, it also depends a lot on the service he's providing; where is he delivering it to? Is he delivering it to your door or are you picking up at the border? Are you paying up front or is he buying and then you are paying on delivery, etc.

Yes, this is a Broker. I am paying $2000 CAD and rest after I get the car. I am not going to border and car will be delivered at door.

[jgpar]

I know from previous posts that this issue has come up before but I am wondering what else I can do...

I went to MTO with all paperwork on my new 2009 outback ltd (thanks to this list the process up to this point was easy!)

MTO said that because I have the Title (which is actually a subaru certificate of origin) that the vehicle was registered in another jurisdiction (to the dealer?) therefore it needs the safety inspection.

I spoke to an agent, then another then the supervisor and got nowhere - they were very polite but insisted that even though it was bought new and I was first owner it needs a safety inspection (however it would not if I simply had the New car form? rather than the title).

Any advice? Should I just go back to CT and pay the $85 for safety? Am I missing something?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

[petaling108]

I know from previous posts that this issue has come up before but I am wondering what else I can do...

I went to MTO with all paperwork on my new 2009 outback ltd (thanks to this list the process up to this point was easy!)

MTO said that because I have the Title (which is actually a subaru certificate of origin) that the vehicle was registered in another jurisdiction (to the dealer?) therefore it needs the safety inspection.

I spoke to an agent, then another then the supervisor and got nowhere - they were very polite but insisted that even though it was bought new and I was first owner it needs a safety inspection (however it would not if I simply had the New car form? rather than the title).

Any advice? Should I just go back to CT and pay the $85 for safety? Am I missing something?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.


http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/rgoutcan.htm

this phrase:A Safety Standards Certificate (SSC) if the vehicle is registered "fit". This Certificate is not required for new, unregistered vehicles or trailers or motor assisted bicycles (mopeds) or vehicles registered "unfit".



would a prinout like this suffice
or are these people argumentative without legal knowledge?BTW where did you get your Subaru,please PM me regarding the price as I am interested in the exact same car.

[bkid]

Delaware and New Hampshire in the east :cheesygri
Just buy in a state with no taxes- Montana/Oregon/Alaska - in the west. I believe there are ones in the east as well.

[mangoman]

If the Subaru Cert. of Origin is not actually a Title document then they are wrong. If that document was actually a Title from a U.S. state then it would make mention of that state on the document.


The agent should call their hotline.


I know from previous posts that this issue has come up before but I am wondering what else I can do...

I went to MTO with all paperwork on my new 2009 outback ltd (thanks to this list the process up to this point was easy!)

MTO said that because I have the Title (which is actually a subaru certificate of origin) that the vehicle was registered in another jurisdiction (to the dealer?) therefore it needs the safety inspection.

I spoke to an agent, then another then the supervisor and got nowhere - they were very polite but insisted that even though it was bought new and I was first owner it needs a safety inspection (however it would not if I simply had the New car form? rather than the title).

Any advice? Should I just go back to CT and pay the $85 for safety? Am I missing something?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

[hagbard]

please PM me regarding the price as I am interested in the exact same car.

+1

[arriva88]

Has anybody have experienced importing 2009 Subaru Forrester 2.5X Limited or any 2009 Forrester to Canada. I'm seriously planning to import one this month. I have done some reading and it looks pretty good. Thanks..

[rjmbc]

Has anybody have experienced importing 2009 Subaru Forrester 2.5X Limited or any 2009 Forrester to Canada. I'm seriously planning to import one this month. I have done some reading and it looks pretty good. Thanks..

I just PM you some base information regarding recent purchase & import.

[sienna owner]

need some help...looking into an Altima now.
Have gotten some dealers still willing to deal...others charging MRSP...still others want to collect on tax.

anyone buy a Nissan recently that can help find a good Nissan deal?
thanks,

[oh_canada]

My US Subaru deal request a letter from my insurance company. However, they are willing to issue insurance on my new Outback from US, but not willing to send a confirmation letter to my deal. How to get around this issue? Any other insurance can do that?
Thanks,

[jed]

The problem is you went to Buffalo. Buffalo dealers are a relative rip-off compared to other US cities for cars. So many Cdns are buying there, they don't bother to have competitive prices with other US cities.

I'm looking at buying a GM van, and in this case the one we want is a bit more than black book here. But we're looking at an option spec that I've Never seen here so we have to decide if we're goging to bite the bullet or not...Interesting turn of events. And this in the South...

[jed]

I also came across this site (http://www.myborderpro.com/2006/) to help figure crossing costs. YMMV as to how involved you become, etc but a decent guide.

[sienna owner]

:confused: Have I missed something? Or has Nissan substantially decreased the discrepancy between US & CAN prices?

Here’s what I’ve been trying to get:

Nissan Altima 2.5 SL:

CDN MRSP: $30,848
US MRSP: $25,845

Best deal from Canadian Dealer in ON: $32,359 (Price quote was in August with $3300 rebate and doesn’t include gas card)
Best deal from US Dealer (Buffalo): $25,319 (includes fees & DRLs)

Prices are OUT THE DOOR, all included.

With the exchange rate at what it is now (using www.xe.com), but probably lower due to commission fees:
$25,319 USD = $27,318 CDN (1USD = 1.07893 CAD)
Add: 13% tax = $30,870 CDN

Assumption: Nissan CAN finance at 1.9% for 5 years (not sure if still available for Sept)
Using HELOC to fund US purchase: interest rate 3.25%

CDN dealer:
$32,359 @ 1.9% interest = borrowing cost of $1,589 : Total cost $33,948

US dealer: $30,870 @ 3.25% = borrowing cost of $2,621 : Total cost $33,491

Doesn’t include RIV fees

And before you tell me to go further south, this was the best deal after calling dealers in Michigan, Ohio, & Maryland!

The Cdn might have been for an '08 and the US is for an '09, but with all cars today, the 09s are somehow cheaper? could be wrong though...

[michelb]

...

The Cdn might have been for an '08 and the US is for an '09, but with all cars today, the 09s are somehow cheaper? could be wrong though...

That's a huge difference right there though; the 08 might have 0 miles but it's still an 08 and it's value is less than the 09 - if you plan on driving it into the ground, it makes no difference but if you sell it in 2-3 years, the 08 will probably be worth $2-3k less. If you can find an 08 in the US, you'll probably get several thousand dollars off (probably $3-4K) because they want to get rid of it.

[johnsa]

:confused: Have I missed something? Or has Nissan substantially decreased the discrepancy between US & CAN prices?

Here’s what I’ve been trying to get:

Nissan Altima 2.5 SL:

CDN MRSP: $30,848
US MRSP: $25,845

Best deal from Canadian Dealer in ON: $32,359 (Price quote was in August with $3300 rebate and doesn’t include gas card)
Best deal from US Dealer (Buffalo): $25,319 (includes fees & DRLs)

Prices are OUT THE DOOR, all included.

With the exchange rate at what it is now (using www.xe.com), but probably lower due to commission fees:
$25,319 USD = $27,318 CDN (1USD = 1.07893 CAD)
Add: 13% tax = $30,870 CDN

Assumption: Nissan CAN finance at 1.9% for 5 years (not sure if still available for Sept)
Using HELOC to fund US purchase: interest rate 3.25%

CDN dealer:
$32,359 @ 1.9% interest = borrowing cost of $1,589 : Total cost $33,948

US dealer: $30,870 @ 3.25% = borrowing cost of $2,621 : Total cost $33,491

Doesn’t include RIV fees

And before you tell me to go further south, this was the best deal after calling dealers in Michigan, Ohio, & Maryland!

The Cdn might have been for an '08 and the US is for an '09, but with all cars today, the 09s are somehow cheaper? could be wrong though...

IMO it is not worth buying new Nissan in the US right now...Some dealers will offer a discount, including www.herbgordonspecials.com which I think is the site I told a few RFDers about last year. The deals are not as significant as 2007, though, as Nissan dealers cannot give the rebates to Canadians...Include the fact that the warranty is in question on a brand new Nissan (technically not valid but some Cdn dealers can work with it) and the savings just aren't significant enough..In August 2007, I paid 13k under Cdn MSRP for my Maxima SL plus tax savings...would not get anywhere close to this now..and be clear on one other point...THE RESALE VALUE OF YOUR IMPORTED NISSAN WILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER IN THE SHORT TERM THAN AN EQUIVALENT CDN CAR.. I do not care about this as in 4-6 years it will not be as significant.

Good luck

Good luck..

[sienna owner]

That's a huge difference right there though; the 08 might have 0 miles but it's still an 08 and it's value is less than the 09 - if you plan on driving it into the ground, it makes no difference but if you sell it in 2-3 years, the 08 will probably be worth $2-3k less. If you can find an 08 in the US, you'll probably get several thousand dollars off (probably $3-4K) because they want to get rid of it.

not necessarily...

OHIO dealer quote higher price for an '08 than 2 buffalo dealers with '09s

[sienna owner]

IMO it is not worth buying new Nissan in the US right now...Some dealers will offer a discount, including www.herbgordonspecials.com which I think is the site I told a few RFDers about last year. The deals are not as significant as 2007, though, as Nissan dealers cannot give the rebates to Canadians...Include the fact that the warranty is in question on a brand new Nissan (technically not valid but some Cdn dealers can work with it) and the savings just aren't significant enough..In August 2007, I paid 13k under Cdn MSRP for my Maxima SL plus tax savings...would not get anywhere close to this now..and be clear on one other point...THE RESALE VALUE OF YOUR IMPORTED NISSAN WILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER IN THE SHORT TERM THAN AN EQUIVALENT CDN CAR.. I do not care about this as in 4-6 years it will not be as significant.

Good luck

Good luck..


okay so i guess i was working the number the right way.
well...what the CDN dealers have for me.

apparently there are no incentives for the '09 models...can any one confirm?
and does any one know where the INT rates would be? or are they not out yet?


edit: CDN dealer interest rate: 4.9% over 60 months

[thegradas]

http://www.glennautomall.com/hyundai/share/specials.php

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[sienna owner]

funny how this thread is not getting as many post as before since the CDN$ has decline...:|

[johnsa]

we're so damn cheap, eh?:cheesygri

[dracore]

when can we expect the CDN$ to go back to par?

i haven't even bought my car from US yet! planning to next yr...
but with the CDN$ so low right now... aurgh :(

[michelb]

funny how this thread is not getting as many post as before since the CDN$ has decline...:|

That and the fact that every single thing that can possibly be discussed has probably been discussed a dozen times already ...

[sienna owner]

That and the fact that every single thing that can possibly be discussed has probably been discussed a dozen times already ...

true...

[sienna owner]

when can we expect the CDN$ to go back to par?

i haven't even bought my car from US yet! planning to next yr...
but with the CDN$ so low right now... aurgh :(

eventhough it's low, it may still be worth it to buy in the states...price difference will still depend on the car itself...but yeah...it's crappy that the $ is low again....

having said that, it just means that the manufacturers will get rid of the cash incentives that they've been giving to dealers/consumers, and even then it may still be worth buying...some were even buying when the $ was lower than today's rate.

[rgc97]

Higher commodity prices would help our dollar, but hurt our personal fuel costs.

My economist friends feel that our dollar is probably where it should be, and see the run to $1.10 as a typical over-run.

In the longer term, the US dollar has to fall IF their govt keeps running a deficit. Their debt is now 9.5 trillion dollars (http://www.federalbudget.com/). Take a look at what the Trustees of the Social Security and Medicare Trusts have to say (http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/TRSUM/index.html). I'm happy to be a Canadian, with federal and provincial goverments that (mainly) pay down debt.

But history shows the US can turn things around pretty quickly, and it looks like the international community is counting on this. We're certainly not going to see the world turning to our Cdn dollar as their standard.

Will have to see what happens after the US elections, and our elections.

As others have said, you just have to monitor the price differences and decide whether you want to buy here or in the US, and when. Actually makes it a bit more exciting! With hindsight you'll know what you should have done and when, but this can also bring on could've/should've complaining


when can we expect the CDN$ to go back to par?

i haven't even bought my car from US yet! planning to next yr...
but with the CDN$ so low right now... aurgh :(

[lanny1]

Well the deal is now done. I located a dealer in Oregon (thanks to you guys) and everything has been finalized as of today. I pick it up on Tuesday and driving back. Saving will be in the range of $10,000 even considering the C$.

I will post the border experience when I get back.

[wilS]

Does anyone know of any BMW dealer that will sell to us Canadians?

[dana_2]

If paying by bank draft, when picking up the vehicle, what documents must you produce for inspection (to the dealer) before it will release the vehicle and its corresponding docs to you? I.e. passport/driving licence/proof of insurance/other docs or nothing - the dealer couldn't care less if you pay him/her :)?

[petaling108]

Does anyone know of any BMW dealer that will sell to us Canadians?


http://www.carswithoutborders.com/us-dealers-brokers/jaguar-us-canadian-friendly-dealer/

[sienna owner]

If paying by bank draft, when picking up the vehicle, what documents must you produce for inspection (to the dealer) before it will release the vehicle and its corresponding docs to you? I.e. passport/driving licence/proof of insurance/other docs or nothing - the dealer couldn't care less if you pay him/her :)?

not sure why they would need ur passport? DL & proof of ins...yes...

[mplsv]

funny how this thread is not getting as many post as before since the CDN$ has decline...:|

Watch the post count increase, despite the same info being recycled over and over. This manipulated US $ rise is OVER. Therefore, be prepared for an ugly fall for some time. It will fall below .7100 USDX on its way to .6200, then later further down to .5000 to .5300 USDX within three years.

Giddy up. We Canadians will be laughing within a year. This low will be forgotten. Be patient.

[petaling108]

not sure why they would need ur passport? DL & proof of ins...yes...

when I picked up my car from Fitzmall,Maryland with a certified check,like a bank draft in the US(from HSBC Philadelphia) ,they withheld my certifacate of origin for approx 2 wks until the check cleared.

But apparently border US dealerships are more trusting,I heard VanBortel Subaru accepts bank draft .
Guess they have not received a funny bank draft yet?

[sienna owner]

when I picked up my car from Fitzmall,Maryland with a certified check,like a bank draft in the US(from HSBC Philadelphia) ,they withheld my certifacate of origin for approx 2 wks until the check cleared.

But apparently border US dealerships are more trusting,I heard VanBortel Subaru accepts bank draft .
Guess they have not received a funny bank draft yet?

could be...used bank drafts with michigan Toyota without any issue. 2nd time was a 1 day trip on saturday. maybe they know it may be a deal breaker, and we "canadians" are too nice to pull any scams...lol

[dana_2]

A certified cheque is different than a bank draft (or am I mistaken?) A bank draft is more like a money order but for a larger amount of money. I dunno if this makes a difference. Anybody else having trouble paying with bank drafts?

[nuknsltnt]

@Sienna Owner

Does Toyota cover warranty for a car bought in the US? Would appreciate any info, as I am looking to buy a used Rav-4 2006 and later.

If you know any specific dealer that I can contact that would be even better. TIA

Cheers,
N

[johnsa]

Watch the post count increase, despite the same info being recycled over and over. This manipulated US $ rise is OVER. Therefore, be prepared for an ugly fall for some time. It will fall below .7100 USDX on its way to .6200, then later further down to .5000 to .5300 USDX within three years.

Giddy up. We Canadians will be laughing within a year. This low will be forgotten. Be patient.

Dear Mr. Dodge, you are just way to funny!:lol: :lol:

[browna]

A couple things:

So a wire to a GM dealer in the US is not adviseable?

We're possibly on the verge of buying something preowned, and going down next weekend to drive it up.

I assumed a wire was the most efficient way to get the deal done in advance, and the dealer doesn't seem to have any issue with providing the title right away. This would be useful to us, as then all the info could be sent to the border sooner.

Would the answer be different from the dealer if I was to bring a certified cheque/bank draft (they're the same, no?) from TD Bank (obviously in US funds)? Would they delay title until that cleared, even being certified from a major bank?

Secondly, although I read carburner.com, what are the hours for Coutts/Sweetgrass, in so far as processing my export and import. I know the crossing is open 24h, so is it safe to assume they can export my car in the US, and bring it into Canada at anytime, assuming obviosuly that the paperwork is there and ready to go?

Also, to confirm, the 72h is good through the weekend? If we submitted it Thursday afternoon to the office, after proper confirmation, 72h should mean Sunday afternoon it is ready to go.

Or, does the 72h mean during m-f business hours only...so Thursday afternoon would mean Tuesday afternoon?

Lastly, the vehcile we were looking at just has a recall on it (GM, heated washer fluid). Now, not sure if our vehicle has that option on it (I am assuming it does), but usually with recalls, the parts aren't immediately available. In this case, looking on the net, there is a temporary fix until parts are available to be installed in November.

Does this put a red flag on the clearance letter...ultimately not allowing importation until that's done? Maybe a call to GM Canada is in order, but just inquiring here in case someone knows.

TIA

[rgc97]

Yes, Toyota warranty is good for US & Canada. That's one reason why many people buy Toyota (and they do make great vehicles). We've only had to use our warranty once during the past 16 months, when the sensor failed on our Sienna's back door.

Any Toyota dealer will gladly sell a used vehicle to you. Toyota USA doesn't try to stop them. So you can shop close to the border. New deals are better when you go further south; I don't know about used.

This website, and carburner.com, will tell you all about the import procedure.

@Sienna Owner

Does Toyota cover warranty for a car bought in the US? Would appreciate any info, as I am looking to buy a used Rav-4 2006 and later.

If you know any specific dealer that I can contact that would be even better. TIA

Cheers,
N

[ottofly]

Watch the post count increase, despite the same info being recycled over and over. This manipulated US $ rise is OVER. Therefore, be prepared for an ugly fall for some time. It will fall below .7100 USDX on its way to .6200, then later further down to .5000 to .5300 USDX within three years.

Giddy up. We Canadians will be laughing within a year. This low will be forgotten. Be patient.


Now I know for sure you're delusional. Ever since you posted back in July of the demise of the US dollar, the strangest thing has happened . It's actually going up in price! You've been dead wrong by telling people to wait. Time to check your ego at the door and admit it, rather then posting nonsense such as the above quote.

At the end of the day, there are really only 2 currencies to invest for Central Banks and professional investors, and that is the US dollar and the Euro, which the consensus agrees is overvalued given it's up 40% in less then 2 years. The US dollar has already been hammered down 30-60% against most world currencies. You think it's going to zero? Or do you thing major investors will buy the Russian ruble, or the Chinese Yuan? Last I checked despite it's problems, the US economy is still far and away the largest in the world, and the US dollar is, and will continue to be the de facto currency for the foreseeable future.

[Anonymouse]

I understand that the warranty claim procedure on the 2009 Subaru Outback Limited I'm now considering is that I will pay the local Subaru dealer for the work, and then claim this back from Subaru of America. My question is: what incentive does the local dealer have not to overcharge me to the extent that SoA doesn't reimburse me fully?

Also, is it worth the $500 airfare to Manchester Subaru and the 9 hour drive back? i.e. would I save enough over the Van Bortel price to make it worth my while? Is it possible to get the invoice price at VB, or am I stuck paying the price shown by their "build your subaru" calculator?

[PrimeBane]

A couple things:

So a wire to a GM dealer in the US is not adviseable?

We're possibly on the verge of buying something preowned, and going down next weekend to drive it up.

I assumed a wire was the most efficient way to get the deal done in advance, and the dealer doesn't seem to have any issue with providing the title right away. This would be useful to us, as then all the info could be sent to the border sooner.

I did a wire transfer Saturn dealership... as long as they are a legit dealership, I don't see why it would be a problem. I do have to admit I was nervous doing so as it was a lot of money.

Would the answer be different from the dealer if I was to bring a certified cheque/bank draft (they're the same, no?) from TD Bank (obviously in US funds)? Would they delay title until that cleared, even being certified from a major bank?

Not sure, but you do have to declair a cheque when you cross the border... I wouldn't be surprised if they did have to wait for it to clear.


Secondly, although I read carburner.com, what are the hours for Coutts/Sweetgrass, in so far as processing my export and import. I know the crossing is open 24h, so is it safe to assume they can export my car in the US, and bring it into Canada at anytime, assuming obviosuly that the paperwork is there and ready to go?

Also, to confirm, the 72h is good through the weekend? If we submitted it Thursday afternoon to the office, after proper confirmation, 72h should mean Sunday afternoon it is ready to go.

Or, does the 72h mean during m-f business hours only...so Thursday afternoon would mean Tuesday afternoon?

One word... call. The people at the border will be able to tell you all that. Have the dealer fax the title to the border and let you know that it's done. Then call the border to make sure they got it. The earlier they get it, the better. They keep it for 3 months I believe.


Lastly, the vehcile we were looking at just has a recall on it (GM, heated washer fluid). Now, not sure if our vehicle has that option on it (I am assuming it does), but usually with recalls, the parts aren't immediately available. In this case, looking on the net, there is a temporary fix until parts are available to be installed in November.

Does this put a red flag on the clearance letter...ultimately not allowing importation until that's done? Maybe a call to GM Canada is in order, but just inquiring here in case someone knows.

TIA

No... you can get it across the border, but if the work does need to be done you only have so much time to do it. The easiest way to find out is ask the dealer if the vehicle you want to buy had the problem and was it fixed. GM keep pretty good records of that sort of thing.

[Testing_XP]

Does anyone know of any Lexus dealers that will sell to us Canadians?

[dana_2]

Another newbie question: is it a requirement that the dealer has to fax the MCO to the border or you can do the operation yourself?

[Oiler11]

I understand that the warranty claim procedure on the 2009 Subaru Outback Limited I'm now considering is that I will pay the local Subaru dealer for the work, and then claim this back from Subaru of America. My question is: what incentive does the local dealer have not to overcharge me to the extent that SoA doesn't reimburse me fully?


Competition. There are three Subaru service centers I can go to, if word gets out that one of them is gouging, they would stand to lose a *lot* of business.

[Oiler11]

Another newbie question: is it a requirement that the dealer has to fax the MCO to the border or you can do the operation yourself?

I had the dealer fax me the MCO and the bill of sale, which I then turned around and faxed to the border.

I never handled the originals until I picked up the car.

[Lost Horizon]

I understand that the warranty claim procedure on the 2009 Subaru Outback Limited I'm now considering is that I will pay the local Subaru dealer for the work, and then claim this back from Subaru of America. My question is: what incentive does the local dealer have not to overcharge me to the extent that SoA doesn't reimburse me fully?


We bought our 2008 Subaru back in Oct 2007 from Bellingham USA. It's been to the dealer (Saunders Subaru) three times for regular maintenance, plus once for other work. Compared to my 2007 BMW 335, which I bought in Canada in late 2006, the Subaru servicing has been a joy and an order of magnitude more friendly. The Subie dealer understands the issue of whacked cross border pricing, and has been one of the best I've ever dealt with... ever..

If the prices get close, he gets my vote for the next one. On the other hand, BMW Canada are jerks, didn't support the issues with the Full priced Canadian car, and actually tell you to get lost.... so there is no love for buying local.

[Marzipan]

A couple things:

So a wire to a GM dealer in the US is not adviseable?

We're possibly on the verge of buying something preowned, and going down next weekend to drive it up.

I assumed a wire was the most efficient way to get the deal done in advance, and the dealer doesn't seem to have any issue with providing the title right away. This would be useful to us, as then all the info could be sent to the border sooner.

Would the answer be different from the dealer if I was to bring a certified cheque/bank draft (they're the same, no?) from TD Bank (obviously in US funds)? Would they delay title until that cleared, even being certified from a major bank?

Secondly, although I read carburner.com, what are the hours for Coutts/Sweetgrass, in so far as processing my export and import. I know the crossing is open 24h, so is it safe to assume they can export my car in the US, and bring it into Canada at anytime, assuming obviosuly that the paperwork is there and ready to go?

Also, to confirm, the 72h is good through the weekend? If we submitted it Thursday afternoon to the office, after proper confirmation, 72h should mean Sunday afternoon it is ready to go.

Or, does the 72h mean during m-f business hours only...so Thursday afternoon would mean Tuesday afternoon?

Lastly, the vehcile we were looking at just has a recall on it (GM, heated washer fluid). Now, not sure if our vehicle has that option on it (I am assuming it does), but usually with recalls, the parts aren't immediately available. In this case, looking on the net, there is a temporary fix until parts are available to be installed in November.

Does this put a red flag on the clearance letter...ultimately not allowing importation until that's done? Maybe a call to GM Canada is in order, but just inquiring here in case someone knows.

TIA

I'll be doing these things as I have bough a GM used and will cross at Sweetgrass/Coutts in October.

Here is a link to the worksheet (http://www.ucanimport.com/docs/CBPGeneralVehicleExportWorksheet.pdf) that must be used when faxing title and bill of sale to USCBP.

This link from uCanImport gives info on the border crossings (http://www.ucanimport.com/Border_Crossing_Info.aspx) - including Sweetgrass.

Also a link to alternatives to the banks (http://www.ucanimport.com/Foreign_Exchange_Merchants.aspx) for transferring money.

I will be transferring funds to the US GM dealer using Vancouver Bullion and Currency Exchange (http://www.vbce.info/) when my bank opens at 9:30 PDT Monday. I expect the funds to be in dealers account same day and at minimal overhead and a very good exchange rate. I've checked with VBCE.

So, "browna" feel free to PM me as we seem to be doing much the same thing.

[Anonymouse]

Competition. There are three Subaru service centers I can go to, if word gets out that one of them is gouging, they would stand to lose a *lot* of business.

Problem is there's only one Subaru dealer in my city. I guess I can get a quote from him and ask Toronto dealers to quote as well for comparison. Although, I guess a warranty is a warranty and SoA will have to pay 100% according to the contract, unless there's some language about "reasonable and customary costs."

I just don't want to be in a situation where I'm on the hook for warranty expenses that I can't get reimbursed for. Although the current Outback has been sold for 4 years now and the engine is even older - I haven't read about any really expensive warranty work, so maybe the risk is small.

[yenjay]

Asked the dealer in the US if he can get a a Recall certificate from Honda.( that the van does not have a recall pending) He said that he spoke to RIV and found that they do not require a letter from Honda USA and they have the ability to look the vehicle up in their own database. Can someone please confirm this is true

[Lost Horizon]

Problem is there's only one Subaru dealer in my city. I guess I can get a quote from him and ask Toronto dealers to quote as well for comparison. Although, I guess a warranty is a warranty and SoA will have to pay 100% according to the contract, unless there's some language about "reasonable and customary costs."

I just don't want to be in a situation where I'm on the hook for warranty expenses that I can't get reimbursed for. Although the current Outback has been sold for 4 years now and the engine is even older - I haven't read about any really expensive warranty work, so maybe the risk is small.

We have only one Subaru Dealer in Victoria also. I recall talking to the service manager during the last service and it seems to me that he said the American warranty was better/more inclusive/longer than the Canadian one. (Bumper to bumper part)

[mangoman]

I can't personally confirm this but several RFDers have already posted that there is a method to get the info from Honda's website (may involve you doing it though and not RIV). Use the 'search this thread function' and you should find the details you're looking for.

Asked the dealer in the US if he can get a a Recall certificate from Honda.( that the van does not have a recall pending) He said that he spoke to RIV and found that they do not require a letter from Honda USA and they have the ability to look the vehicle up in their own database. Can someone please confirm this is true

[JayJJJ]

Does anyone know of any Lexus dealers that will sell to us Canadians?

Same question here. Please PM.

thanks in advance.

[sienna owner]

Problem is there's only one Subaru dealer in my city. I guess I can get a quote from him and ask Toronto dealers to quote as well for comparison. Although, I guess a warranty is a warranty and SoA will have to pay 100% according to the contract, unless there's some language about "reasonable and customary costs."

I just don't want to be in a situation where I'm on the hook for warranty expenses that I can't get reimbursed for. Although the current Outback has been sold for 4 years now and the engine is even older - I haven't read about any really expensive warranty work, so maybe the risk is small.

you can (or have them) contact SoA if the work that they are going to do is covered under warranty before you actually do the work. if it's not covered, and you don't want to do it at the dealer...you can take it to your own shop.

i think it's a good idea to call SoA anyways to get an 'OK' from them for the actually warranty work, that way you won't be holding the bag...

[sienna owner]

I had the dealer fax me the MCO and the bill of sale, which I then turned around and faxed to the border.

I never handled the originals until I picked up the car.

just remember to keep a copy of the fax confirmation in case they "lose", and claim they never received it...(or it might have be mis-filed)..that way you have proof that you did in fact sent it for the required 72 hours.

[sienna owner]

A certified cheque is different than a bank draft (or am I mistaken?) A bank draft is more like a money order but for a larger amount of money. I dunno if this makes a difference. Anybody else having trouble paying with bank drafts?

shouldn't make a difference, but maybe a bank draft/money order is more secured and less likely to be counterfeit? also depends on thedealer and if they even recognize the cdn banks. they have so many dif. banks down there it'll make your head spin!! lol

edit: btw...bank drafts cost less to obtain than a cert. chq.

[zircon]

Asked the dealer in the US if he can get a a Recall certificate from Honda.( that the van does not have a recall pending) He said that he spoke to RIV and found that they do not require a letter from Honda USA and they have the ability to look the vehicle up in their own database. Can someone please confirm this is true

RIV will look up any Honda or Acura product for you. They just need the VIN.
That gets you around one Honda problem. However they will cancel your warranty in both countries, so make sure you know what you're getting in to.

Honda BLOWS.

[Matty]

Does anyone know of any Lexus dealers that will sell to us Canadians?

Any.

[ExcelPremium]

Has anyone imported a BMW into Canada recently?

Could anyone explain the procedures? I know of the old rules but apparently, they changed a lot of things to screw canadians over by changing this and that.

What would I need from BMW, what needs to change? etc etc

If a car is under CPO, would I be able to drive down to the states and get it serviced? since I know that the Canadian BMW dealers don't honor the CPO.

They still honor the original warranty right?

Thanks a lot!

[freewheel]

Has anyone imported a BMW into Canada recently?

Could anyone explain the procedures? I know of the old rules but apparently, they changed a lot of things to screw canadians over by changing this and that.

What would I need from BMW, what needs to change? etc etc

If a car is under CPO, would I be able to drive down to the states and get it serviced? since I know that the Canadian BMW dealers don't honor the CPO.

They still honor the original warranty right?

Thanks a lot!

Some info on people's experiences at:
http://forums.ebay.ca/thread.jspa?threadID=500022243&start=480

[chachu]

$ 22000 with everything in 2008 ,but the moment you mention Canada Phone Slammed, any other place near Windsor to go for these bargains ..?:confused:

[Monsieurmaggot]

Make a few calls, there's not a brand of dealer that won't sell. I found several dealers willing to sell to Canadians for both Lexus and Subaru. That said, some may not give you the deal you want.... (ie not invoice or below).

Despite the great info in this thread, and diligently reading it for almost a year, when the time came - I ended up buying a subaru 3.0R in Canada. Best price out of the States was $34.5 K. Got a new one here for $36K - but don't forget, with a $0.94 cent dollar, the difference was exceeded by the exchange, to say nothing about the gas to get it back from the US.

Are you kidding me?

I got a fully loaded LLBean 3.0R with more options imaginable (and more that are offered on the 3.0R premiere in Canada - like perforated seats) for $29,000 TOTAL.

There's NO WAY you can get a 3.0R in Canada anywhere near that price.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Using MSLP. Judging by what I've read here, there aren't many Toyota dealers anywhere near where I am that will sell to Canadians. Thought about getting a Subaru Outback but they're a bit pricey even in the States and the closest dealer who deals regularly with Canadians is in Rochester NY. Correct me if I'm wrong.

There are four Subaru dealers in Michigan that I know of that will sell to Canadians. In fact, EVERY US Subaru dealer is authorized to sell to Canadians.

The Buffalo-area Subaru dealers have the six million Canadian population in the GTA to suckle off of. Many of them are now very reluctant to give Canadians below invoice deals. They know most of those folks get the "holy cow" effect when they see the US MSRP that it never occurs to them to ask for invoice pricing. SHOP AROUND. The deals are there.

I'm hearing dealers in Pennsylvania, Vermont, NH and Ohio are much more competitive.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I know from previous posts that this issue has come up before but I am wondering what else I can do...

I went to MTO with all paperwork on my new 2009 outback ltd (thanks to this list the process up to this point was easy!)

MTO said that because I have the Title (which is actually a subaru certificate of origin) that the vehicle was registered in another jurisdiction (to the dealer?) therefore it needs the safety inspection.

I spoke to an agent, then another then the supervisor and got nowhere - they were very polite but insisted that even though it was bought new and I was first owner it needs a safety inspection (however it would not if I simply had the New car form? rather than the title).

Any advice? Should I just go back to CT and pay the $85 for safety? Am I missing something?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

If your invoice says "New" have the knuckleheads at the MTO office call their 800 support number. I ran into that same problem. For me it was more in proving a point than it was to fork out the $100. In the end, the person agreed that I was right and gave me my plates.

[Anonymouse]

Monsieur, do you mean to say that you think I can get close to invoice on an Outback Limited in Vermont? I thought invoice pricing depended on a holdback or other factory-to-dealer incentive, which the dealer will not get if he sells to us Canajuns, unlike when you bought your Outback.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Monsieur, do you mean to say that you think I can get close to invoice on an Outback Limited in Vermont? I thought invoice pricing depended on a holdback or other factory-to-dealer incentive, which the dealer will not get if he sells to us Canajuns, unlike when you bought your Outback.

At my suggestion, a co-worker just picked up a new Legacy Limited in the US - just outside of Buffalo (Northtown) for invoice price plus something like $200 (if memory serves me).

He didn't even need to haggle. Unlike me, he wasn't able to get the rebate or the holdback. If he would have had that, those two alone would have brought his price down about $1500 below invoice.

In the end, he's smiling ear-to-ear as he saved at least $10,000 off the Canadian price AND got a PZEV Limited which isn't even offered in Canada.

The crazy Canadian dealers are actually offering PZEVs as a higher priced option! Talk about whacky...

[scrolllock]

There are four Subaru dealers in Michigan that I know of that will sell to Canadians. In fact, EVERY US Subaru dealer is authorized to sell to Canadians.

The Buffalo-area Subaru dealers have the six million Canadian population in the GTA to suckle off of. Many of them are now very reluctant to give Canadians below invoice deals. They know most of those folks get the "holy cow" effect when they see the US MSRP that it never occurs to them to ask for invoice pricing. SHOP AROUND. The deals are there.

I'm hearing dealers in Pennsylvania, Vermont, NH and Ohio are much more competitive.

(www.bennettmotors.com). Great dealer out west.
the contact is Gary Lipnickey, Bennett Motors, Great Falls Montana.
Cell: 406-899-6093, tel: 406-727-2100, fax: 406-7272183.

Tell him, you heard about them from carswithoutborders.
Good luck

[Scotty70]

What a great resource for a new purchaser. But a lot of reading. Can anyone help me finding a Toyota dealer - close to Calgary that will sell to Canadians. The last one I contacted sent me the following

"I received your information showing that you are interested in a new Tacoma. My first question before I get you a quote; do you have an address here in the States? The reason I ask is that Toyota's franchise agreement does not allow me to sell a new vehicle out of the country. They are for the U.S. market only, and therefore have to be registered here first. This is a Toyota Corporate rule, and will be in place at any Toyota dealer in the US. If you own some property in the States, you would be able to purchase here, register it, pay any registration and taxes, and then do with the vehicle what you please. Also, some Toyota vehicles do not conform to Canadian safety standards, and can not be exported."

Sounds like crap to me.

[perfectg]

What a great resource for a new purchaser. But a lot of reading. Can anyone help me finding a Toyota dealer - close to Calgary that will sell to Canadians. The last one I contacted sent me the following


not in calgary but here in BC, bought my parents a Toyota corolla through him.

http://www.lesalholdings.ca/

he can get you any car you want

[Scotty70]

not in calgary but here in BC, bought my parents a Toyota corolla through him.

http://www.lesalholdings.ca/

he can get you any car you want

Thanks, if I can't find anyone in Montana or so I will give him a try

[rjmbc]

Thanks, if I can't find anyone in Montana or so I will give him a try

I sent you a PM regarding Oregon & Montana

[hagbard]

(www.bennettmotors.com). Great dealer out west.
the contact is Gary Lipnickey, Bennett Motors, Great Falls Montana.
Cell: 406-899-6093, tel: 406-727-2100, fax: 406-7272183.

Tell him, you heard about them from carswithoutborders.
Good luck

I need closer to Detroit. My wife is putting on the heat, so I'm probably just going to go ahead and jump on a local (Cdn) car.

[inspire]

I need closer to Detroit. My wife is putting on the heat, so I'm probably just going to go ahead and jump on a local (Cdn) car.
Do yourself a favour and *NOT* buy from Eastway Toyota. Those guys are crooks ... well, I should say their owner (Rafih) is a crook -- the people at Toyota have to do what their boss tells them to do. Call up the various GTA dealerships and pit one against the other to get the 'best price'. I only recommend this if you cannot find that dealer in the US who won't sell you a new car.

[tomw]

A while back someone posted a picture of the spot where you need to turn to get to the USBP export office at Queenston Lewistone. Can someone repost it please. I can't find it in the thread, it's so long.
I don't want to miss the turn.

Thanks!

[Scotty70]

I just PM you some base information regarding recent purchase & import.

Has anybody have experienced importing 2009 Subaru Forrester 2.5X Limited or any 2009 Forrester to Canada. I'm seriously planning to import one this month. I have done some reading and it looks pretty good. Thanks..

Can you please send this information to me - thanks

[Monsieurmaggot]

A while back someone posted a picture of the spot where you need to turn to get to the USBP export office at Queenston Lewistone. Can someone repost it please. I can't find it in the thread, it's so long.
I don't want to miss the turn.

Thanks!

I was the one who posted the picture.

I moved it to www.carburner.com

[Monsieurmaggot]

I need closer to Detroit. My wife is putting on the heat, so I'm probably just going to go ahead and jump on a local (Cdn) car.

Your messages are confusing. What brand are you looking at a Toyota or Subaru?

I hear that publicly most US Toyota dealers will tell you they don't sell to Canadians but privately they will sell you anything you want.

Then there's the story of the Toyota dealer in Kanata (story posted earlier in the thread) who's buying US Toyota Siennas by the truckload and changing out the dash so the unsuspecting Canadian consumer wouldn't know that it was a US car unless they looked at the stickers on the door jamb (and assuming they don't change that at the dealership).

If you're looking for a Subaru, ANY US dealer will sell you one. Subaru of America permit sales to Canadians. You just don't get the rebate intended for the US consumer.

[michelb]

...

I hear that publicly most US Toyota dealers will tell you they don't sell to Canadians but privately they will sell you anything you want.

I think this might depend on the dealership a lot. We thought we had a deal from a US dealer for a new Toyota simply by using a US friends address but in the end it fell apart because the dealership manager insisted that we needed a drivers licence issued to that US address otherwise he couldn't sell to us (we don't have a US DL).


...
Then there's the story of the Toyota dealer in Kanata (story posted earlier in the thread) who's buying US Toyota Siennas by the truckload and changing out the dash so the unsuspecting Canadian consumer wouldn't know that it was a US car unless they looked at the stickers on the door jamb (and assuming they don't change that at the dealership).
...

That's Kanata Ford (suburbs of Ottawa) and they continue to sell tons of them but they are upfront that it's US rental returns. The cars still have the MPH speedo / odo, they advertise them in 'miles' and they'll tell you they are cars imported from the US (when I first heard about them doing it, they were even pitching them as 'save money by buying cheap US imports' (although they do charge a fair premium for them; I imagine you could save $5-8k simply importing one yourself)).

[GregGH]

.... (snip)
That's Kanata Ford (suburbs of Ottawa) and they continue to sell tons of them but they are upfront that it's US rental returns. The cars still have the MPH speedo / odo, they advertise them in 'miles' and they'll tell you they are cars imported from the US (when I first heard about them doing it, they were even pitching them as 'save money by buying cheap US imports' (although they do charge a fair premium for them; I imagine you could save $5-8k simply importing one yourself)).

Mini van deals ? I am a believer in deals from USA ( and have a LS430 and Corvette to prove it ) ... but mini-vans ? I look at Car-Max as a good indicator of prices in USA - then eye-ball auto trader in Canada - I can't see that much difference in prices. Can anyone tell me otherwise - since I am in market to replace current min-van.

Love this link & carburner.com

Greg H

[hagbard]

Your messages are confusing. What brand are you looking at a Toyota or Subaru?

I hear that publicly most US Toyota dealers will tell you they don't sell to Canadians but privately they will sell you anything you want.

Then there's the story of the Toyota dealer in Kanata (story posted earlier in the thread) who's buying US Toyota Siennas by the truckload and changing out the dash so the unsuspecting Canadian consumer wouldn't know that it was a US car unless they looked at the stickers on the door jamb (and assuming they don't change that at the dealership).

If you're looking for a Subaru, ANY US dealer will sell you one. Subaru of America permit sales to Canadians. You just don't get the rebate intended for the US consumer.

Yes, it was a Subaru, Outback 2.5i. Will they give less than MLP?

[michelb]

Mini van deals ? I am a believer in deals from USA ( and have a LS430 and Corvette to prove it ) ... but mini-vans ? I look at Car-Max as a good indicator of prices in USA - then eye-ball auto trader in Canada - I can't see that much difference in prices. Can anyone tell me otherwise - since I am in market to replace current min-van.

Love this link & carburner.com

Greg H

Really depends on what you are looking for. Many of us got significant savings on Siennas but I heard Toyota may have lowered the CND prices again this week and it also really depends on how you want it equipped (e.g. I think for Sienna Limiteds, there's still a big difference). I think there might not be a big difference in price for the 'domestics' but I really haven't looked into it much.

[qeqw443]

i was looking at the ICBC website to get some info about licensing and found this thing - http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/events-evenements/bc/van-105-eng.html

anyone here attended this seminar ?

[cocopop]

Drafts carry pretty poor exchange rates in my bank. Has anyone used transfermate.com for sending money? ive read some decent reviews on them and they claim to be fast and cheaper than the banks.

[Cars4Canadians]

Has anyone imported a BMW into Canada recently?

Could anyone explain the procedures? I know of the old rules but apparently, they changed a lot of things to screw canadians over by changing this and that.

What would I need from BMW, what needs to change? etc etc

If a car is under CPO, would I be able to drive down to the states and get it serviced? since I know that the Canadian BMW dealers don't honor the CPO.

They still honor the original warranty right?

Thanks a lot!

BMW sucks balls man,

they lowered the price by 1K on the 335 coupe and added Dakota leather to it, and that is their idea of making the cars "Even" with the american prices... bastards should have lowered the price by 3K and given free fancy shmancy leather then they would be very close, otherwise they are still just 2bit sluts, gouging the canadian consumer.

[Marzipan]

For the record I post particulars of my experience paying for a vehicle using the Vancouver Bullion and Currency Exchange (http://www.vbce.info/)("VBCE")

Generally, it went well and was cheaper than the banks. Here is how it works.

Phone a trader and ask, "How much do you want to wire XX,XXX USD to a US dealer?" The trader gives you a total which includes 25 CAD wiring fee and locks that exchange rate for you. He then e-mails you VBCE's bank particulars.

Then off to you friendly bank and ask "How much do you want to wire XX,XXX USD to a US dealer?" In my instance the bank wanted 110 CAD more - so I had the bank transfer the funds to VBCE.

If your bank is BMO the funds are transferred to VBCE's BMO account at no charge. Otherwise, it will cost you to wire the money or buy a draft.

VBCE require a notarized photo ID such as driver's licence to be faxed to them before the deal is done. You must then mail the original.

VBCE say if they get your funds by 11:00 PDT they will wire the funds that day. That does not mean the dealer gets it the same day. Mine took 2 days.

One glitch. When the money got to my dealer it was 15 USD short. A bank along the way had helped itself. You might want to be firm about this up front.

All-in-all, a good way to pay for your car. I would move money through them again.

[Monky]

For the record I post particulars of my experience paying for a vehicle using the Vancouver Bullion and Currency Exchange (http://www.vbce.info/)("VBCE")

Generally, it went well and was cheaper than the banks. Here is how it works.

Phone a trader and ask, "How much do you want to wire XX,XXX USD to a US dealer?" The trader gives you a total which includes 25 CAD wiring fee and locks that exchange rate for you. He then e-mails you VBCE's bank particulars.

Then off to you friendly bank and ask "How much do you want to wire XX,XXX USD to a US dealer?" In my instance the bank wanted 110 CAD more - so I had the bank transfer the funds to VBCE.

If your bank is BMO the funds are transferred to VBCE's BMO account at no charge. Otherwise, it will cost you to wire the money or buy a draft.

VBCE require a notarized photo ID such as driver's licence to be faxed to them before the deal is done. You must then mail the original.

VBCE say if they get your funds by 11:00 PDT they will wire the funds that day. That does not mean the dealer gets it the same day. Mine took 2 days.

One glitch. When the money got to my dealer it was 15 USD short. A bank along the way had helped itself. You might want to be firm about this up front.

All-in-all, a good way to pay for your car. I would move money through them again.

I wired from RBC for $30. HSBC is over $100 so it was a huge difference! I guess this is good if you have a RBC account.

[Kamloops]

Went down on the weekend to Seattle and picked up another Boat and my buddy bought a 2006 GMC LT 4x4 4 Door, both boat and truck were close to Mint.

Process went well, buddy had to leave his truck down there and then go back and get it due to the 3 day thing but I was able to bring the boat right back, all went smooth as silk!


http://kyra.ca/Maxum/m6.jpg
http://kyra.ca/Maxum/m8.jpg
http://kyra.ca/Maxum/m18.jpg
http://kyra.ca/Maxum/m4.jpg

[browna]

I wired from RBC for $30. HSBC is over $100 so it was a huge difference! I guess this is good if you have a RBC account.

TD wanted 40$.

Calforex would do it for 15$ (yes, I would've had to pay TD 7$ to get the draft, but still a savings), and provide an exchange rate that would've saved me 450$ (on a 30K$ purchase). Plus, they sent out the wire the next day as long as they got the draft before 2pm. TD said 3-5 business days. I am sure its probably quicker in TD's case and they are just having to cover themselves, but if you're planning on picking up the car is 4 or 5 days and arranging flights, its nice to know that at least on your end, things are done as quickly as possible. A day or so extra to process in the US is expected.

I've held off on the deal I was almost ready to pull and will keep looking around in the next weeks ahead, but Calforex if your in Western Canada is a better option than the banks for wires.

[flaming homer]

A while back someone posted a picture of the spot where you need to turn to get to the USBP export office at Queenston Lewistone. Can someone repost it please. I can't find it in the thread, it's so long.
I don't want to miss the turn.

Thanks!

I was the one who posted the picture.

I moved it to www.carburner.com

I beg to differ

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/2882/uscustomsmapra4.th.png (http://img131.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uscustomsmapra4.png)

As noted by others, you need to park your car in the EAST side of the "US Customs Main Warehouse", not the WEST side as the picture seems to indicate

[hotshu]

I also found Vancouver Bullion & Currency Exchange had the best exchange rate for USD (about one full percentage point better than TD/CT best rate). Instead I went to their storefront on Granville St. Phoned ahead to make sure they had sufficient cash.

First I went to TD/CT bank & withdrew CDN cash. Converted the cash to USD at VB (just a 2 block walk away). Deposited to my USD account at TD/CT. Got a USD draft from TD/CT without service fee if you have their "Borderless account".

Because I was buying thru a private seller, I took the draft with me to the USA. Remember to declare over $10,000 to US customs when entering USA. If I was buying from a dealer I suppose I could send it by courier or mail for under $10?

[sienna owner]

If I was buying from a dealer I suppose I could send it by courier or mail for under $10?

not necessarily...I just brought a bank draft when I got my Siennas in Michigan.

[tomw]

I was the one who posted the picture.

I moved it to www.carburner.com

Thanks. Tomorrow I'm heading over to Van Bortel to pick up my 2009 Outback Limited. Just wanted to make sure I won't miss the turn. Will report later.

[diigii]

Atta boy!!! Go get 'em! Congrats! Enjoy your drive home. Make other drivers notice your NY temp plate! :cheesygri

Thanks. Tomorrow I'm heading over to Van Bortel to pick up my 2009 Outback Limited. Just wanted to make sure I won't miss the turn. Will report later.

[tockty]

Hello Everyone

I am new to this and would like some information and advices on how to proceed. I am interested in buying Rav4 Limited.

Thanks
Hung

[rjmbc]

Hello Everyone

I am new to this and would like some information and advices on how to proceed. I am interested in buying Rav4 Limited.

Thanks
Hung

If you are located in Western Canada, I can provide dealer contacts in Minnesota, Montana and Oregon. PM me if you want the information.

[tockty]

If you are located in Western Canada, I can provide dealer contacts in Minnesota, Montana and Oregon. PM me if you want the information.
I am located in Toronto, Ont. Thanks for your help.

[hagbard]

Thanks. Tomorrow I'm heading over to Van Bortel to pick up my 2009 Outback Limited. Just wanted to make sure I won't miss the turn. Will report later.

Did you pay MSLP or closer to invoice?

[Rocklegend]

I was just across the border last weekend (to the US of course) ... and the Hyundai dealer told me that it is impossible to import a bran new vehicle (2009-Tuscon) to Canada. I know this is not true, but did not have any facts at the time.

Is the dealer correct? or can I import a Tuscon-2009? If yes, what do I need to tell him?

Thanks in advance!

[diigii]

It's his way of telling you that he's been ordered by Hyundai USA to not sell brand new to Canadians. Or that he's got that new disease called "foot in mouth disease." Either way, salespeople shouldn't be saying things that they are not sure of. Regret is almost always too late when reputation has been damaged.

I was just across the border last weekend (to the US of course) ... and the Hyundai dealer told me that it is impossible to import a bran new vehicle (2009-Tuscon) to Canada. I know this is not true, but did not have any facts at the time.

Is the dealer correct? or can I import a Tuscon-2009? If yes, what do I need to tell him?

Thanks in advance!

[jed]

[QUOTE=Kamloops;7442475]Went down on the weekend to Seattle and picked up another Boat and my buddy bought a 2006 GMC LT 4x4 4 Door, both boat and truck were close to Mint.

Process went well, buddy had to leave his truck down there and then go back and get it due to the 3 day thing but I was able to bring the boat right back, all went smooth as silk!/QUOTE]

Can you tell us prices paid?

[dandj]

[QUOTE=Kamloops;7442475]Went down on the weekend to Seattle and picked up another Boat and my buddy bought a 2006 GMC LT 4x4 4 Door, both boat and truck were close to Mint.

Process went well, buddy had to leave his truck down there and then go back and get it due to the 3 day thing but I was able to bring the boat right back, all went smooth as silk!/QUOTE]

Can you tell us prices paid?

I don't know what he the original poster paid but my associate just bought a NEW 2008 SIERRA 2500HD 4WD CREW CAB SLT - DIESEL FOR $42,000 - looked like a full load to me.

[dogger66]

[QUOTE=jed;7445743]

I don't know what he the original poster paid but my associate just bought a NEW 2008 SIERRA 2500HD 4WD CREW CAB SLT - DIESEL FOR $42,000 - looked like a full load to me.

Must have had some extra options on top for that price (Nav and rear seat DVD?)....otherwise that SLT is going for ~$38,9XX.XX with GM employee pricing down there....check the fleabay GM dealers ads. I personally want same truck (or preferably Silv. LTZ) with a few miles on it so I can transfer the warranty to here (GM's stinkin rulez on it being titled in USA with 6 month from "in-service" and having 12000km before initiating the transfer).

[zulu888]

Just finished importing my 08 Nissan Xterra, saved ~ $17k

[Monsieurmaggot]

I beg to differ


As noted by others, you need to park your car in the EAST side of the "US Customs Main Warehouse", not the WEST side as the picture seems to indicate


I assumed they meant "picture" like the google map I posted showing exactly what your drawing does...


http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&t=k&hl=en&msa=0&ll=43.152174,-79.03469&spn=0.002673,0.005236&z=18&om=1&msid=116208146908791403539.00043b6e3822145c32472

[Monsieurmaggot]

Did you pay MSLP or closer to invoice?

Unless you're looking for some "hot" and popular car like the Toyota Prius, nearly everyone pays close to invoice (many far below) when buying cars in the US.

I don't know of anyone who've I've communicated with who told me they've paid MSRP for any Subaru in the US.

Here's a great site for Subaru invoice pricing.

http://www.cars101.com/subaru_prices.html#legacy

[Lonewolf1]

Agree.....I got my Tribeca for just over invoice. MSRP is for the Canadian who buys his car in Canada.


Unless you're looking for some "hot" and popular car like the Toyota Prius, nearly everyone pays close to invoice (many far below) when buying cars in the US.

I don't know of anyone who've I've communicated with who told me they've paid MSRP for any Subaru in the US.

Here's a great site for Subaru invoice pricing.

http://www.cars101.com/subaru_prices.html#legacy

[DiLan]

Hi I was looking into getting an 08 Nissan 350z Touring with Nav. Anyone have experience with a Nissan dealer in US that will sell to Canadians or has really good deals? Recently I saw on another board someone from US(in florida) bought a brand new 08 Touring 6k miles for 25000 (no nav though) but still a great deal.

something in the 25k range would be a deal setter:lol:

Dilan

[crimsondr]

Just finished importing my 08 Nissan Xterra, saved ~ $17k

With Nissan, you lose the warranty when importing?

[DiLan]

With Nissan, you lose the warranty when importing?

If the car is imported into Canada can you still go back to the original dealer in US for warranty work?

[hagbard]

Unless you're looking for some "hot" and popular car like the Toyota Prius, nearly everyone pays close to invoice (many far below) when buying cars in the US.

I don't know of anyone who've I've communicated with who told me they've paid MSRP for any Subaru in the US.

Here's a great site for Subaru invoice pricing.

http://www.cars101.com/subaru_prices.html#legacy

Really? Cool!

What I really need now are for people who've bought a Subaru in Michigan or Ohio to contact me with their dealers and deals. I'd pretty much written doing the cross border thing off but the US dollar is once again falling. In particular, I'm looking at a 2.5i SE. Where do you find invoice? Edmunds?

Oh, and I've heard that we'd be charged Michigan sales tax if bought there, same with Ohio?

[zircon]

Hi: I just wanted to update people on this credit card. There are 2 versions: one pay a rebate of 1% of total expenses charged, the other 2%, toward a new or used car in Canada. Someone a few hundred posts back contacted CITI and convinced them to allow US imported vehicles to be eligible for application of your accrued credit. I bought an 08 Audi in late July in the states, sent my paper work in, and received my cheque yesterday ($2000). If you have this credit card, you can use it on US purchased vehicles even though the regulations specify vehicles bought in Canada.

[super_mario]

I'd pretty much written doing the cross border thing off but the US dollar is once again falling.

Yeah I have been getting discouraged due to the US dollar becoming stronger than the Canadian dollar as of late. Right now the Canadian is sitting at about $0.05 below the US dollar.

Has anyone heard of some possible forecasting or what is to come? Will they come back to parity?

[Kamloops]

Hi I was looking into getting an 08 Nissan 350z Touring with Nav. Anyone have experience with a Nissan dealer in US that will sell to Canadians or has really good deals? Recently I saw on another board someone from US(in florida) bought a brand new 08 Touring 6k miles for 25000 (no nav though) but still a great deal.

something in the 25k range would be a deal setter:lol:

Dilan

Dont forget the extra 6.1 % duty, made in Japan

[davey_fl]

Has anyone seen this with regards to importing a bmw? Apparently as of July 9, 2008 the $350 letter of admissibility and $500 recall clearance letters are no longer requirements:

http://www.willz.ca/importusatocanada.htm

[shopper-X]

With Nissan, you lose the warranty when importing?

Unless it was registered in the US for the 1st 6 months to the same owner.
You can buy a used Nissan with no worries about the warranty.

[DiLan]

Dont forget the extra 6.1 % duty, made in Japan

yea I read up about that. 6.1%? when did they add the .1% lol
If I get the car for around that price with the options I want Touring and Nav
The taxes is something I can't get out of but the car I will be keeping for a very long time and even after adding taxes it would still be worth it for me.
I see taxes being in and around 5k (GST+PST+6.1%=19.1%)
Most likely though if I do get a deal I would have time to import because I can leave the car in my uncles garage since he moved to NY and I wouldn't drive this car during winter months.

[inspire]

I see taxes being in and around 5k (GST+PST+6.1%=19.1%)

Sorry -- that's not how the 6.1% import duty is calculated. This is how it works:

(price of car + 6.1% import duty) x GST + (price of car + 6.1% import duty) x PST

So for someone from Ontario ... (1.061 x 1.13) = 19.893% tax

[DiLan]

Sorry -- that's not how the 6.1% import duty is calculated. This is how it works:

(price of car + 6.1% import duty) x GST + (price of car + 6.1% import duty) x PST

So for someone from Ontario ... (1.061 x 1.13) = 19.893% tax

ohh I didn't know that, what a scam
Thanks for clearing that up though.

[jed]

[QUOTE=dandj;7446821]

Must have had some extra options on top for that price (Nav and rear seat DVD?)....otherwise that SLT is going for ~$38,9XX.XX with GM employee pricing down there....check the fleabay GM dealers ads. I personally want same truck (or preferably Silv. LTZ) with a few miles on it so I can transfer the warranty to here (GM's stinkin rulez on it being titled in USA with 6 month from "in-service" and having 12000km before initiating the transfer).

You could also just buy it new, have it in the color/options you want, and only caveat is you don't take it in for service for 6mos. I know some peeps who bought a Denali and Escalade that way in 07 with no issues.

[sienna owner]

Unless it was registered in the US for the 1st 6 months to the same owner.
You can buy a used Nissan with no worries about the warranty.

you may want to call Nissan Canada for the straight up answer.
My understanding is that it must be registered in the States for min 24 hours, then you can register it in canada....forces you to pay state taxes.

[ottofly]

ohh I didn't know that, what a scam
Thanks for clearing that up though.


Welcome to Canada, the land where even the tax is taxed. :cheesygri

[shopper-X]

you may want to call Nissan Canada for the straight up answer.
My understanding is that it must be registered in the States for min 24 hours, then you can register it in canada....forces you to pay state taxes.

This has been discussed numerous times before. The Nissan warranty is valid if imported to Canada as long as the two conditions are met:
1. Registered in the USA on day 1
AND
2. Ownership is not transfered within first six month (to anyone)

Lookup the Nissan USA warranty here: Owners/Manuals & Guides (http://www.nissanusa.com/apps/techpubs)
Example: 2008 Nissan Altima (USA Warranty Booklet) (http://www.nissanusa.com/pdf/techpubs/2008/2008_N_WIB.pdf)


WHO IS THE WARRANTOR
Nissan1 warrants all parts of your 2008 Nissan vehicle supplied
by Nissan, except for those listed elsewhere under the caption
“WHAT IS NOT COVERED.”

APPLICABILITY
■ This warranty is provided to the original and subsequent
owner(s) of a Nissan vehicle originally distributed by Nissan
which is originally sold by a Nissan authorized Nissan
dealership in the United States, and which is registered
in the U.S. and normally operated in the United States
(including Alaska and Hawaii), the United States territories
(specifically Guam, Saipan, American Samoa, Puerto Rico
and the U.S. Virgin Islands), and Canada.

■ This warranty is generally transferable from the original
‘owner other than a Nissan dealer’ (OWNER) to
subsequent owners of the vehicle at any time ownership of
the vehicle is transferred, without any action on your part;
except that this warranty is not transferable but is instead
void if during the first six months after delivery to the original
OWNER: (1) ownership of the vehicle is transferred from
the original OWNER, and (2) the vehicle is registered
outside of the United States.

■ Your Nissan vehicle is manufactured to meet U.S.
regulations and environmental requirements. With the
exception of privately owned vehicles belonging to
members of the U.S. military or employees and officers
of the United States Government stationed abroad, this
warranty does not apply if an otherwise covered vehicle
is operated in, or relocated to, a country other than those
listed above under this caption, except that it continues
to apply if the vehicle is operated in full compliance with
its proper use as described in the applicable OWNER’S
MANUAL2 while touring outside of the United States, the
U.S. territories or Canada for a period not exceeding sixty (60)
consecutive days or sixty (60) days in any one 12 month period.
Subject to the transferability restriction described above, this
warranty applies to a relocated vehicle which is returned to,
and is registered and normally operated in the United States,
the U.S. territories or Canada, except for conditions due to the
vehicle’s foreign operation, e.g., use of inappropriate fuels or
other fluids.

[tomw]

So today I brought back my 2009 Outback Ltd. The whole import process was a breeze. Guys at Van Bortel were really efficient and had everything ready when I arrived. Gas tank was full, car had just been washed. Excellent experience.
US Customs took about 1 minute, they asked where the car is parked, I just pointed out the windows.
Canadian side took a little longer, other than the 1 hour traffic lineup it took about 20 minutes to fill out form and payment. They were more interested in collecting payment than inspecting anything. There was another person importing an MDX.
Due to traffic I wasn't able to visit RIV office today, but submitted payment online and will get the car inspected and plated early next week.
For anyone thinking about importing, the process is very easy.

[GreenLotus]

I am looking to buy a 2009 SUV from the States. Any recommendations from the experts here? I used to like the old model of Rav4 so much, but the new ones doesn't look sporty at all.

[hacostam]

Im living in Orlando, USA and Im planning moving to Toronto next year, my 2 cars are financed here in the US, what I need to do to use them over there?
the financing ends on 2012. somebody can help me with this?

[sienna owner]

This has been discussed numerous times before. The Nissan warranty is valid if imported to Canada as long as the two conditions are met:
1. Registered in the USA on day 1
AND
2. Ownership is not transfered within first six month (to anyone)

Lookup the Nissan USA warranty here: Owners/Manuals & Guides (http://www.nissanusa.com/apps/techpubs)
Example: 2008 Nissan Altima (USA Warranty Booklet) (http://www.nissanusa.com/pdf/techpubs/2008/2008_N_WIB.pdf)

yes, but the way you put it is that the car needs to remain registered in the states for 6 months...as opposed to registered there for 1 day, registered in Canada on day 2...AND no change in ownership...then you're fine.
whoever if you don't register in the states/pay taxes, you void the warranty.

[tarnator]

I am looking to buy a 2009 SUV from the States. Any recommendations from the experts here? I used to like the old model of Rav4 so much, but the new ones doesn't look sporty at all.

Really?
I like the look of the new RAV4 - to each his own, I guess. It is on my short list along with the new Subaru Forester.

One interesting consideration is that the new RAV4s are made in Canada, so shouldn't need to pay the 6.1% duty whereas the Forester is made in Japan and would have that cost added. Still trying to figure out which will be cheaper!

[Anonymouse]

Im living in Orlando, USA and Im planning moving to Toronto next year, my 2 cars are financed here in the US, what I need to do to use them over there?
the financing ends on 2012. somebody can help me with this?

It all depends on who you're financed with. Most financiers won't allow you to export the cars because they have no easy means of repossessing them if you default. On the other hand, if your finance company also operates in Canada, they may allow you to do this.

What you can always do is obtain an unsecured line of credit and buy out the financing, then you can export at will.

[jed]

Check with your loans people - if its FoMoCo Credit or GMAC, for instance, they have procedures in place to deal with this kind of situation. YMMV on others so check to be sure.

[ajpaterson]

Really?
I like the look of the new RAV4 - to each his own, I guess. It is on my short list along with the new Subaru Forester.

One interesting consideration is that the new RAV4s are made in Canada, so shouldn't need to pay the 6.1% duty whereas the Forester is made in Japan and would have that cost added. Still trying to figure out which will be cheaper!

Currently shipping 2009 Rav4s are all from Japan so the duty still applies. The Woodstock-built Rav4s won't be available until the spring.

[tarnator]

Currently shipping 2009 Rav4s are all from Japan so the duty still applies. The Woodstock-built Rav4s won't be available until the spring.

Oh,
thanks,
I was told at the local Toyota dealership that the 2009s were made in Canada - but I would not be at all surprised to hear that they were wrong. They were the most apathetic sales staff - I knew more than they did about the cars!

Will have to look at VIN numbers if I want to save the duty, I guess.

[rgc97]

I understand Woodstock is currently producing small volumes that are going out for govt. testing, etc. Regular production is scheduled to start in November. I don't know how long it will take to fill their dealer pipeline. Toyota works on the JIT principal, so it shouldn't take long for dealers to start selling them once regular production commences.

More importantly, will the price drop when there is no 6.1% duty? I wouldn't hold my breath!

Currently shipping 2009 Rav4s are all from Japan so the duty still applies. The Woodstock-built Rav4s won't be available until the spring.

[trenton1776]

It all depends on who you're financed with. Most financiers won't allow you to export the cars because they have no easy means of repossessing them if you default. On the other hand, if your finance company also operates in Canada, they may allow you to do this.

What you can always do is obtain an unsecured line of credit and buy out the financing, then you can export at will.

I thought the issue was that you can export a vehicle from the US that has a lien outstanding on it.

[Anonymouse]

I thought the issue was that you can export a vehicle from the US that has a lien outstanding on it.

You can export a car from the US even if it has a lien on it. You just need a letter from the lienholder authorizing it.

[CC2]

Hey I'm thinking of importing a New Subaru Impreza WRX or STi. What I read it seems that Subaru dealerships are easiest to deal with.

I just visited the Van Bortel website, they don't have any WRX(4dr) with 265hp or any STi's. That's kinda strange.

Can you guys recommend any other ones close to Toronto?

[tomw]

Hey I'm thinking of importing a New Subaru Impreza WRX or STi. What I read it seems that Subaru dealerships are easiest to deal with.

I just visited the Van Bortel website, they don't have any WRX(4dr) with 265hp or any STi's. That's kinda strange.

Can you guys recommend any other ones close to Toronto?


It might be just the website not up to date. Give them a call, they are very helpful. I've had very good experience with them.

[SeeWhy2]

It might be just the website not up to date. Give them a call, they are very helpful. I've had very good experience with them.

Ditto - ask for Karl!

[ryandk]

Hi everyone --

I'm looking to buy a 2010 Prius in the spring. Should I start calling dealerships to put my name on a wait list now?

Has anyone had a good experience dealing with Wilson Toyota in Bellingham? Are there any other Toyota dealerships near Vancouver, BC who will sell new vehicles to Canadians? Or should I go through an auto broker instead?

Thanks.

[ZeRoMaX]

Was just wondering if it is possible to get temp tags from usa if I already imported the car? I want to be able to drive the car while I waiting for the riv and the inspection process.

[dracore]

CDN$ going up!! GOGOGOGO!! :)
I hope it hits parity again

[PMREdmonton]

CDN$ going up!! GOGOGOGO!! :)
I hope it hits parity again

Some people are predicting that it will in the next month due to sentiment about devaluation of the American dollar from the financial institution bailout. If the dollar hits $1.05, I'm buying something - maybe an Audi A6. If it hits parity, maybe a Hyundai Sonata Limited.

[djredhat]

I have a question for those who imported used cars (and a second question for those in QC).

I have a friend who wants to sell his 1 yr old car for $20 000. My question is if I give him $10k cash and bank transfer the rest 10k, would I be able to declare purchase cost of $10k and pay customs on $10k?

The car in European made, so on top of GST I have to pay duty. I would be able to save over $1k on duty and GST if I could do that.

Also, for those in QC, I know that SAAQ have their own pricing when you buy a car less than 10 yrs old (they don't care about purchase cost) from someone in QC. Those of you who already registered in QC a vehicle imported from US, did you pay PST based on customs declared value or based on SAAQ tables?

Thanks for your input.

[diigii]

It doesn't matter if it's new or used, but NO you cannot undervalue the purchase price of the car. CBSA has a mechanism for calculating the market value of a used car purchased in the US. A member here did that in 2006 or 2007 and a few months later, he was sent a re-assessment for the undeclared value and a fine. So don't try your luck in declaring $10K only. Learn the lesson of others who did it before.

I have a question for those who imported used cars (and a second question for those in QC).

I have a friend who wants to sell his 1 yr old car for $20 000. My question is if I give him $10k cash and bank transfer the rest 10k, would I be able to declare purchase cost of $10k and pay customs on $10k?

The car in European made, so on top of GST I have to pay duty. I would be able to save over $1k on duty and GST if I could do that.

Also, for those in QC, I know that SAAQ have their own pricing when you buy a car less than 10 yrs old (they don't care about purchase cost) from someone in QC. Those of you who already registered in QC a vehicle imported from US, did you pay PST based on customs declared value or based on SAAQ tables?

Thanks for your input.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Was just wondering if it is possible to get temp tags from usa if I already imported the car? I want to be able to drive the car while I waiting for the riv and the inspection process.


You don't want to be caught driving around with out-of-jurisdiction plates.

Transit or temporary plates are intended to be used while an unregistered vehicle travels through various jurisdictions.

In Ontario, you will be fined for travelling on temporary plates, unless you can prove the vehicle is on it's way home from a purchase, on it's way to get inspected or tested. There have been a few RFDers who can attest to this.

Additionally, my insurer (State Farm) mentioned that until my car was properly registered, I should not be driving it and would run the risk of being denied coverage if I was in an accident and it was proved that I was needlessly driving around (weekends and evenings when inspection stations are clearly closed).

Don't do it.

[Monsieurmaggot]

It doesn't matter if it's new or used, but NO you cannot undervalue the purchase price of the car. CBSA has a mechanism for calculating the market value of a used car purchased in the US. A member here did that in 2006 or 2007 and a few months later, he was sent a re-assessment for the undeclared value and a fine. So don't try your luck in declaring $10K only. Learn the lesson of others who did it before.

That's right.

The fine will outweigh the savings. The $500 GST savings is meaningless when you're buying in the US not to mention the criminal record you'll be facing. With a criminal record you won't be able to go back to the US and buy more cars!

[djredhat]

It doesn't matter if it's new or used, but NO you cannot undervalue the purchase price of the car. CBSA has a mechanism for calculating the market value of a used car purchased in the US. A member here did that in 2006 or 2007 and a few months later, he was sent a re-assessment for the undeclared value and a fine. So don't try your luck in declaring $10K only. Learn the lesson of others who did it before.

thanks for your input. However, the car I plan to buy is under the market value since my friend will sell it to me at KBB trade-in value, which is 3-4k lower than the private party value. Do I still risk getting fined?

[diigii]

Just look at Monsieurmaggot's confirmation so you can make an informed decision.

And do you honestly believe that CBSA will accept a 1-yr old European-made car to be sold $10K only even if your friend sells it to you at KBB trade-in value? As they saying goes, it's too good of a deal to be true.

My advice is to declare the real purchase price you paid your friend. You can ask your friend to write a note, declaring the value maybe knocking $2000 off the purchase price so you can cover the GST, PST and duty.

And don't forget to declare to US Customs the cash and bank draft you are bringing into the US.

That's right.

The fine will outweigh the savings. The $500 GST savings is meaningless when you're buying in the US not to mention the criminal record you'll be facing. With a criminal record you won't be able to go back to the US and buy more cars!

thanks for your input. However, the car I plan to buy is under the market value since my friend will sell it to me at KBB trade-in value, which is 3-4k lower than the private party value. Do I still risk getting fined?

[Edlan]

Has anybody have experienced importing 2009 Subaru Forrester 2.5X Limited or any 2009 Forrester to Canada. I'm seriously planning to import one this month. I have done some reading and it looks pretty good. Thanks..

I just PM you some base information regarding recent purchase & import.

I would appreciate it if someone could forward me this information, or post it where I can find it.

Thanks

[LAX77]

First time poster so bear with me if this has been answered before. Last week-end I bought a 'Used 2008 Subaru Outback Limited' in Montana and with the dealers' help easily got it across the border. I understand from many importers on these forums no modifications are necessary. I am about to take the car over to Canadian Tire here in Calgary and wonder about French stickers for airbags. Is this a necessary item requiring attention? Thanks.

[mangoman]

I would say it depends on the Cdn Tire location. Some will insist on the stickers (which they can supply to you) others won't even bother to check!

First time poster so bear with me if this has been answered before. Last week-end I bought a 'Used 2008 Subaru Outback Limited' in Montana and with the dealers' help easily got it across the border. I understand from many importers on these forums no modifications are necessary. I am about to take the car over to Canadian Tire here in Calgary and wonder about French stickers for airbags. Is this a necessary item requiring attention? Thanks.

[michelb]

First time poster so bear with me if this has been answered before. Last week-end I bought a 'Used 2008 Subaru Outback Limited' in Montana and with the dealers' help easily got it across the border. I understand from many importers on these forums no modifications are necessary. I am about to take the car over to Canadian Tire here in Calgary and wonder about French stickers for airbags. Is this a necessary item requiring attention? Thanks.

If you look at the RIV site, I believe it says that you need bilingual airbag labels IF the airbags require periodic maintenance. Does the english one say it needs periodic maintenance? If yes then you need it (although they still might not ask for it), if no then you don't need it.

[skanji]

Very interested in purchasing a 2009 Murano in Philly. A friend of mine lives there and is willing to help out any wya he can. He will be living there for 6-8 months.

What about the immobilizer and any other mandatory add-ons?

How about the warrantee with Nissan?

Really hope you guys can give me a hand on this.

Thanks in Advance!

[tarnator]

I would appreciate it if someone could forward me this information, or post it where I can find it.

Thanks

I would like some of the same info. I am narrowing my search down to the '09 Forester and the '09 RAV4!

Thanks.

[rjmbc]

I would appreciate it if someone could forward me this information, or post it where I can find it.

Thanks

Has anybody have experienced importing 2009 Subaru Forrester 2.5X Limited or any 2009 Forrester to Canada. I'm seriously planning to import one this month. I have done some reading and it looks pretty good. Thanks..

I just PM you some base information regarding recent purchase & import.

I would like some of the same info. I am narrowing my search down to the '09 Forester and the '09 RAV4!

Thanks.

I have just PM'd both of you with regarding this information.

[skanji]

I have just PM'd both of you with regarding this information.

could you PM me as well with it?

[leseuldaniel]

could you PM me as well with it?

And me? :) Dollar on the rise!

[dumbass]

I would appreciate it if someone could forward me this information, or post it where I can find it.

Thanks

I imported a 2009 Forester in April. I couldn't be happy. Fantastic car. Tonnes of space.

[Makaveli the Don]

Anyone know where I can find a good repossession site in the states? [could have some deals to be had]

[small_potato]

Since the CAD price of BMW 328i has come down quite a bit from an year ago, is it still worthwhile to import from the State?

I heard that it is not manufactured in NA, so a 6.1% levy applies. Is this true?

Anyone had experience importing a BMW? can you give me an idea of the whole process?

Thanks.

[michelb]

Since the CAD price of BMW 328i has come down quite a bit from an year ago, is it still worthwhile to import from the State?

I heard that it is not manufactured in NA, so a 6.1% levy applies. Is this true?

Anyone had experience importing a BMW? can you give me an idea of the whole process?

Thanks.

Search the thread for BMW, tons of posts on it. Also read page 1.

[Monsieurmaggot]

First time poster so bear with me if this has been answered before. Last week-end I bought a 'Used 2008 Subaru Outback Limited' in Montana and with the dealers' help easily got it across the border. I understand from many importers on these forums no modifications are necessary. I am about to take the car over to Canadian Tire here in Calgary and wonder about French stickers for airbags. Is this a necessary item requiring attention? Thanks.

Don't lose any sleep over this.

All US Subarus have bilingual stickers right from the factory.

I was completely surprised to see this on my car when I picked it up.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1413/1464555887_f458c518c1.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1028/1464555767_fbf9d1b58a.jpg

The stickers on the door jamb, inside the hood and trunk are all bilingual.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1079/1464555049_6b7e2f0d63.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1416/1464555503_bcbd0fe3ea.jpg

[hhhm3]

Since the CAD price of BMW 328i has come down quite a bit from an year ago, is it still worthwhile to import from the State?

I heard that it is not manufactured in NA, so a 6.1% levy applies. Is this true?

Anyone had experience importing a BMW? can you give me an idea of the whole process?

Thanks.

I don't think the CND price came down at all for BMW, but I did notice other manufactures have lowered their prices.
Yes you have to pay 6.1% duty except on the X5 and Z4 which is manufactured in Cali.
Warranty is covered in NA but you have to $500 for the warranty inspection at dealer to validate the warranty in Canada and no free maintenance servicing.

[chachu]

I have just PM'd both of you with regarding this information.

Can u please send me the info too.Thanks

[aphextwin2050]

Yeah, it's pretty funny and it's sadly true.

To add insult...we have people driving Acura EL/CSX's.....wtf...that is the ultimate badge re-engineering out there...but nope..it's an ACURA..so it must be worth it even though it is a CIVIC with options.

There is no EL/CSX in the states cause they may be stupid, but not as stupid as us.

The world is insane...

why do Canadians still purchase these entry level 3 series cars in Canada? (no scratch that, they lease them because they can't afford them.)

I mean if you can't afford it, why bother leasing it... that alone should give you a hint that they are ripping you off...

20 year old kids drive 3 Series cars in the USA, while pompous people who think they have a status symbol do so in Canada...

well i guess it is understandable, since all you see on the streets is a bunch of Mazda 3's, Civics, and toyota's , then naturally the poor "rich people" of Canada flock to get raped by our local dealers/BMW Canada... I wonder, does BMW Canada provide the free Vaseline to its customers (to lube up) before a Canadian consumer takes it up the ass?

[scorpy]

Hello, this threas has 1000 pages, anychance somone would help me through this without aking me to read all the 1000 pages...

I am looking to buy a used car from the USA, I am located in Quebec,
What would be the best place to start with? should is it worth yo get my self a brokerm, any help or information would be greatly apreciated,

All this will help determin if its really worth while the headeach.

Thank you!

[Badger]

I am looking for a Toyota in Washington state, anyone could hook me up?

Thanks!

[rjmbc]

I am looking for a Toyota in Washington state, anyone could hook me up?

Thanks!

I PM'D you regarding some contact information

[batu]

I PM'D you regarding some contact information

could i get that contact info also

thanks

[rjmbc]

could i get that contact info also

thanks

Done

[michelb]

...
Yes you have to pay 6.1% duty except on the X5 and Z4 which is manufactured in Cali.
...

If by Cali you mean South Carolina, then yes, that's correct ;)

[jed]

Hello, this threas has 1000 pages, anychance somone would help me through this without aking me to read all the 1000 pages...

I am looking to buy a used car from the USA, I am located in Quebec,
What would be the best place to start with? should is it worth yo get my self a brokerm, any help or information would be greatly apreciated,

All this will help determin if its really worth while the headeach.

Thank you!

You don't need to read all 1000 pages but you do need to try the Search feature for the thread. Or just google it - no tricks to finding a used car in US, just lots of looking.

[davey_fl]

Ok so just sealed the deal on my third bimmer. Previously I've imported two X5s 4.8is with no problems. Now I'm bringing in an 08 335xi loaded with 3K miles on it. It has the remainder of the factory warranty of course. Purchased price $40K US, 42K CAD + import + GST(alberta) + RIV. I've spoken with the RIV and we do NOT need letters from BMW anymore at the ridiculous $350 and $800 pricetag. I will not be swapping the cluster as RIV says it's not needed. Total savings from buying locally... $14K CAD. I think it's worth it. :D

[Sloan55]

Davey_fl, how do you get the recall letter from BMW? I assume that you are getting it from the dealer in the US that you bought the vehicle from? What modfications do you have to perform? Just DRL's? Again, is the dealer from the US doing that for you?

I find it funny that there hasn't been a major announcement about this. If this is true, and you don't need to have a Canadian BMW dealer do your Mods, this is a huge deal. This could save individual Canadians that want to import BMW's, thousands of dollars. Please let us know what you have found out.

[michelb]

Ok so just sealed the deal on my third bimmer. Previously I've imported two X5s 4.8is with no problems. Now I'm bringing in an 08 335xi loaded with 3K miles on it. It has the remainder of the factory warranty of course. Purchased price $40K US, 42K CAD + import + GST(alberta) + RIV. I've spoken with the RIV and we do NOT need letters from BMW anymore at the ridiculous $350 and $800 pricetag. I will not be swapping the cluster as RIV says it's not needed. Total savings from buying locally... $14K CAD. I think it's worth it. :D

Davey_fl, how do you get the recall letter from BMW? I assume that you are getting it from the dealer in the US that you bought the vehicle from? What modfications do you have to perform? Just DRL's? Again, is the dealer from the US doing that for you?

I find it funny that there hasn't been a major announcement about this. If this is true, and you don't need to have a Canadian BMW dealer do your Mods, this is a huge deal. This could save individual Canadians that want to import BMW's, thousands of dollars. Please let us know what you have found out.


Thanks for the info Davey_fl, as Sloan said, this is a huge deal (BMW is one of the manufacturers with the biggest price diff). Give us an update when you're all done to confirm the letters.

As far as the recall letter, I believe someone else had mentioned that RIV was once again accepting letters with dealership stamps to indicate no recall. DRL is done through software on most (probably all) new BMWs.

[dracore]

apart from getting money wired to the US dealers, would they also accept payment via credit card over the phone?

[sam_ma]

apart from getting money wired to the US dealers, would they also accept payment via credit card over the phone?

In my case the dealer only let me put $1000 in the credit card (paid the rest with a bank draft). The commissions the credit cards charge them makes it not worth it for them.

[davey_fl]

Yup recall letter from the US dealer will suffice. Any bimmers that have iDrive you can enable the DRLs and that will let you pass inspection (not that I have any intention of turning them back off). If you read here:

http://www.willz.ca/importusatocanada.htm

half way down in red text it also indicates BMW has dropped the $850 letter requirements....

[hagbard]

Tried five Subaru dealers in the States, two in Michigan, two in Ohio and one in NY State. One Michigan, one Ohio and one NY dealer replied, the Michigan and Ohio one both told me they couldn't sell to me. NY is a bit too far to buy from. Now that I think about it, the nearest Subaru dealer to me is over a two hour drive, so I'll likely just skip it.

[Mortgage_Broker]

can someone recommend a gm dealership on the states, looking for a Yukon Denali, or Escalade.

Thanks

[rjmbc]

can someone recommend a gm dealership on the states, looking for a Yukon Denali, or Escalade.

Thanks

I have PM'd you with regards to one in MN & OR

[regrus]

Ok so just sealed the deal on my third bimmer. Previously I've imported two X5s 4.8is with no problems. Now I'm bringing in an 08 335xi loaded with 3K miles on it. It has the remainder of the factory warranty of course. Purchased price $40K US, 42K CAD + import + GST(alberta) + RIV. I've spoken with the RIV and we do NOT need letters from BMW anymore at the ridiculous $350 and $800 pricetag. I will not be swapping the cluster as RIV says it's not needed. Total savings from buying locally... $14K CAD. I think it's worth it. :D

How did you get the "no outstanding recalls" printout. I need one desperately for a Z4. I have until Oct 31 and I can't find anyone in the USA that will fax me one even for a cash fee. I purchased the Z4 from an auction. It was a lease return consigned directly to the auction by BMW Finance. Anyone will an idea? Thanks.

[davey_fl]

I bought from a dealer who issued the "no recalls" letter >:( Not sure what you could do, maybe talk to BMWNA?

[freewheel]

Yup recall letter from the US dealer will suffice. Any bimmers that have iDrive you can enable the DRLs and that will let you pass inspection (not that I have any intention of turning them back off). If you read here:

http://www.willz.ca/importusatocanada.htm

half way down in red text it also indicates BMW has dropped the $850 letter requirements....

I was lucky enough to import my Z4 before all this BMW crap started.

An near as I can tell the $350 letter of admissibility is no longer required.
From bmw.ca website:

"** Please note that all US BMW Vehicles are admissible into Canada and do not require a Letter of admissibility at border crossing.**"

But there may be an issue with not having a warranty if you don't pay them their $500 for the recall clearance letter. Also from bmw.ca:

"Your local BMW Retailer in Canada will conduct a visual inspection of the vehicle to ensure all VIN plates are intact and obtain a Car Fax report to check the vehicle's history. The Retailer will check the recall history and complete any recalls that are required. BMW Group Canada will enter the VIN into our database and validate the warranty where applicable. BMW Group Canada will only issue an official recall clearance letter once this process has been completed and documented by an authorized Canadian BMW Retailer. Please note the approximate timeframe for obtaining the Recall Clearance Letter is 7-10 business days and there is an administrative fee of $500 plus applicable taxes for this process."

And they may demand that they complete the "necessary" mods before issuing the letter.

Best bet may be to find a 4 year old bmw in great shape and get a letter from the US and don't worry about warranty. Use the money you save to budget for a good mechanic!

[eastsidesubaru]

Tried five Subaru dealers in the States, two in Michigan, two in Ohio and one in NY State. One Michigan, one Ohio and one NY dealer replied, the Michigan and Ohio one both told me they couldn't sell to me. NY is a bit too far to buy from. Now that I think about it, the nearest Subaru dealer to me is over a two hour drive, so I'll likely just skip it.

That's just silly. Too bad WA is too far, otherwise I'd be happy to sell you a Subie.

[hagbard]

That's just silly. Too bad WA is too far, otherwise I'd be happy to sell you a Subie.

Yeah. I don't get it. If Subaru US allows sales to Canadian residents, why wouldn't a dealer make a sale? Do you know any who would in my area (SE Michigan, Northern Ohio, Eastern Illinois.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Tried five Subaru dealers in the States, two in Michigan, two in Ohio and one in NY State. One Michigan, one Ohio and one NY dealer replied, the Michigan and Ohio one both told me they couldn't sell to me. NY is a bit too far to buy from. Now that I think about it, the nearest Subaru dealer to me is over a two hour drive, so I'll likely just skip it.


Growing up in Windsor I can tell you that actually your closest Subaru dealer is about 10 minutes from your home.

Simply cross the border for warranty work and do typical oil changes at any warranty approved oil change franchise in the Windsor area.

If I lived that close to a Subaru dealer, I'd be smiling. I now live in Toronto and my closest Subaru dealer is about 30 minutes away - using the hwy!

[Monsieurmaggot]

A fellow co-worker (the count at my place of work is now six US vehicles bought) just signed a deal for a Infiniti EX35 with AWD, Navigation and the Technology package for just under $33,000 Canadian. There is 6.1% duty applicable (taking it to about $35k Canadian) but....

Here's the funny part:

He was quoted $36K+ from dealers in the Buffalo/Windsor area. The further away from the border he went, the cheaper it got.

He settled on a dealer in Long Island NY. A one-way flight from Toronto cost him about $200.

The same vehicle in Toronto with taxes retails close to $60k!

Journey Package
Premium Package
Navigation Package
Technology Package
Base MSRP* $40,400.00
Total Packages $9,650.00
Total Designed MSRP† $50,050.00
Freight and PDE $1,825.00
Total* (before taxes) $51,875.00 (total: $58,618.75 in Ontario). Now assume they let you have it for $50 grand if you haggle you butt off....

US purchase price for Ontario resident (including taxes and conversion): $39,550 Canadian.

This truly ranks as a stellar deal.

So far there have been three Subarus, two Infinitis and a Lincoln Navigator purchased in the US from co-workers (that I know of).

Between the group of us at work, we managed to send over $160k in business down south. With 170,000 Canadians doing this last year (averaging a low $20k each), upwards of $3.4 billion dollars in gross vehicle sales went down south. While this only amounts to 10% of the yearly Canadian car market. Dennis DesRosiers still says US car sales are insignificant? I'd love to get that commission. The US dealerships are getting bigger thanks to that attitude.

Listening to him, I see why Canadian dealers still don't want to compete. The US dealers are panicking since their sales are in a nosedive and are really ready to haggle (except those near the border now).

[inspire]

Growing up in Windsor I can tell you that actually your closest Subaru dealer is about 10 minutes from your home.

Monsieurmaggot -- have you crossed from Windsor to Detroit recently? It's nothing like before. You will need at least 30 min (any time of day / any day of the week) to get over. Customs there are a bunch of idiots. They think you are a potential terrorist, regardless of your ethnicity. And try to cross without a passport -- they will tell you to get one and they don't have to "let" you cross. :rolleyes:

Anyway, my wife takes her TSX for warranty work. I brought my G over for a sound it made when I shift from 1 -> 2 without issue (that's because I know they've fixed that problem before but not sure if the Windsor dealer has done it before ...)

[michelb]

Monsieurmaggot -- have you crossed from Windsor to Detroit recently? It's nothing like before. You will need at least 30 min (any time of day / any day of the week) to get over. Customs there are a bunch of idiots. They think you are a potential terrorist, regardless of your ethnicity. And try to cross without a passport -- they will tell you to get one and they don't have to "let" you cross. :rolleyes:

Anyway, my wife takes her TSX for warranty work. I brought my G over for a sound it made when I shift from 1 -> 2 without issue (that's because I know they've fixed that problem before but not sure if the Windsor dealer has done it before ...)

Funny, I was going to post the same response about crossing customs! (and it's not just going over to the US, coming back into Canada can take a while too).

Just wanted to verify something; are you saying that you guys are getting warranty work on a US Acura done just by returning to the US to having it done there? I always wondered if that would work.

Let us know.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Monsieurmaggot -- have you crossed from Windsor to Detroit recently? It's nothing like before. You will need at least 30 min (any time of day / any day of the week) to get over. Customs there are a bunch of idiots. They think you are a potential terrorist, regardless of your ethnicity. And try to cross without a passport -- they will tell you to get one and they don't have to "let" you cross. :rolleyes:

Anyway, my wife takes her TSX for warranty work. I brought my G over for a sound it made when I shift from 1 -> 2 without issue (that's because I know they've fixed that problem before but not sure if the Windsor dealer has done it before ...)


Actually I crossed over a couple of weeks ago (Sunday evening about 4pm) to do some shopping. Took about 15 minutes. I use the tunnel all the time. IMHO the bridge is for tourists....

I wouldn't dream of crossing over on a Friday night, early morning or after 6pm on most nights.

Also, I've never had problems crossing the border. In my college days I went to school in Michigan and crossed over EVERY day.

At most I've been at the gate for less than five minutes and yes, I only use my birth certificate and drivers license. I only answer the questions they give me and I look at them straight in the eye.

I don't have Nexus but I know those who do. Those folks don't even have any real line ups to contend with.

[zircon]

Funny, I was going to post the same response about crossing customs! (and it's not just going over to the US, coming back into Canada can take a while too).

Just wanted to verify something; are you saying that you guys are getting warranty work on a US Acura done just by returning to the US to having it done there? I always wondered if that would work.

Let us know.

I have a 04 Canadian tsx and brought it to Detroit Acura dealer to get stereo replaced under warranty. They did it, but when I went back just before my warranty expired for one last issue, they said they couldn't do it (they ate the $1200 stereo cost as Acura USA wouldn't pay). They can only do emergency repairs on Canadian cars in the USA. If you buy a US Acura and bring it to Canada, Acura supposedly kills the warranty on both sides of the border. I was going to get another Acura but decided to go to a dealer that didn't cancel my warranty or give hassles on recall letters. I bought a used 08 Audi in July. Audi USA faxed me a recall letter 10 minutes after I called them. The guy could not have been nicer. I have since found that Honda's lead in engines has long since been passed. VWs (Audi) 2L direct inject, turbo engine gives me about 26-27 city, 33-35 highway. When I boot it, 0-60 in <7 sec. Have your cake and eat it too.

[HP_John]

A fellow co-worker (the count at my place of work is now six US vehicles bought) just signed a deal for a Infiniti EX35 with AWD, Navigation and the Technology package for just under $33,000 Canadian. There is 6.1% duty applicable (taking it to about $35k Canadian) but....

Here's the funny part:

He was quoted $36K+ from dealers in the Buffalo/Windsor area. The further away from the border he went, the cheaper it got.

He settled on a dealer in Long Island NY. A one-way flight from Toronto cost him about $200.

The same vehicle in Toronto with taxes retails close to $60k!

Journey Package
Premium Package
Navigation Package
Technology Package
Base MSRP* $40,400.00
Total Packages $9,650.00
Total Designed MSRP† $50,050.00
Freight and PDE $1,825.00
Total* (before taxes) $51,875.00 (total: $58,618.75 in Ontario). Now assume they let you have it for $50 grand if you haggle you butt off....

US purchase price for Ontario resident (including taxes and conversion): $39,550 Canadian.

This truly ranks as a stellar deal.

So far there have been three Subarus, two Infinitis and a Lincoln Navigator purchased in the US from co-workers (that I know of).

Between the group of us at work, we managed to send over $160k in business down south. With 170,000 Canadians doing this last year (averaging a low $20k each), upwards of $3.4 billion dollars in gross vehicle sales went down south. While this only amounts to 10% of the yearly Canadian car market. Dennis DesRosiers still says US car sales are insignificant? I'd love to get that commission. The US dealerships are getting bigger thanks to that attitude.

Listening to him, I see why Canadian dealers still don't want to compete. The US dealers are panicking since their sales are in a nosedive and are really ready to haggle (except those near the border now).

I think the EX has a $6 K rebate from Infiniti Canada, plus they're much more willing to give bigger discounts now (probably because they've been hurt by the importing). I think it'd be fair to say the OTD difference would be $10 K, which is still a lot.

[looniepincher]

A fellow co-worker (the count at my place of work is now six US vehicles bought) just signed a deal for a Infiniti EX35 with AWD, Navigation and the Technology package for just under $33,000 Canadian.

Unless the vehicle was registered for 6 months in the US, isn't the warranty void? Did your co-workers go with a 3rd party for warranty?

[zircon]

Unless the vehicle was registered for 6 months in the US, isn't the warranty void? Did your co-workers go with a 3rd party for warranty?

That applies to Nissan products, but not Infiniti. Infiniti warranty is good from time of purchase.

[AbilityZone]

I have been scouring the dealerships in NY, New Hampshire and Vermont for an 09' Forester for the past four months without much in the way a deal. The APA price for an XT Limited is about $39k all-in. With the dollar down a bit, 6.1% duty and dealers not wanting to go much below MSRP there is not much of a difference, price wise. Well, maybe worth it but the $3,000 or so saved would be not worth the trouble...

Any thoughts from those who have successfully imported a Subaru?

[nonstop]

I have just PM'd both of you with regarding this information.

Can you PM me one please?

[wackojacko]

I have been scouring the dealerships in NY, New Hampshire and Vermont for an 09' Forester for the past four months without much in the way a deal. The APA price for an XT Limited is about $39k all-in. With the dollar down a bit, 6.1% duty and dealers not wanting to go much below MSRP there is not much of a difference, price wise. Well, maybe worth it but the $3,000 or so saved would be not worth the trouble...

Any thoughts from those who have successfully imported a Subaru?

It always surprises me when people post like this. I bought a 08 Tribeca from Van Bortel Jan 24. I lucked out and still got the rebates as I had ordered it back in 07. But only $3,000 savings not being worth it. I'll take half of that and go pick it up for you.

People always look at the savings vs the amoutn being spent. Would you pay $4,000 for a TV that you could get for $1,000 in the US? I think not. Why pay $39,000 when you could pay $36,000, It's the SAME THING!

[johnsa]

Actually I crossed over a couple of weeks ago (Sunday evening about 4pm) to do some shopping. Took about 15 minutes. I use the tunnel all the time. IMHO the bridge is for tourists....

I wouldn't dream of crossing over on a Friday night, early morning or after 6pm on most nights.

Also, I've never had problems crossing the border. In my college days I went to school in Michigan and crossed over EVERY day.

At most I've been at the gate for less than five minutes and yes, I only use my birth certificate and drivers license. I only answer the questions they give me and I look at them straight in the eye.

I don't have Nexus but I know those who do. Those folks don't even have any real line ups to contend with.

What would be the best time cross on a Saturday? And should I take the bridge or tunnel on a Saturday?

[michelb]

It always surprises me when people post like this. I bought a 08 Tribeca from Van Bortel Jan 24. I lucked out and still got the rebates as I had ordered it back in 07. But only $3,000 savings not being worth it. I'll take half of that and go pick it up for you.

People always look at the savings vs the amoutn being spent. Would you pay $4,000 for a TV that you could get for $1,000 in the US? I think not. Why pay $39,000 when you could pay $36,000, It's the SAME THING!

I actually kind of agree with the person saying that saving under $3k isn't really worth it. IMO, you will get less on resale for a US model than for a Canadian model (realistically, I think if you try to sell a used US model and there's an identical used Canadian model, buyers will take the Canadian one so you'll have to lower your price) - in the long run, won't make much difference but in the first 3-4 years, that will probably be all your savings. With Subaru, you also have to factor in the warranty hassles. You have to pay for any work up front and then submit for a rebate. They could decide that they aren't covering it or are only covering part of it (e.g. local dealership charges $97/hr labor but they only cover to $75/hr (no idea if this could happen)). For a Canadian car, the dealership will deal with any warranty issue for you and you never have to speak to Subaru. There's also the hassle of having a 'MPH major' speedo and miles odo - not the end of the world but it is a hassle (you can get a replacement but if you do you have to factor the cost in there too). Also you have to consider the value of having a 'local dealer' where you bought the car who might give you much better service than if you're bringing an imported car for service. It's also a whole lot less trouble buying from a local dealer.

[darkguard]

Canadien WebSite

VUE Red Line AWD
Starting from $38,605 MSRP*
link (http://www.gm.ca/ss/gm/models.do?model=vue&lang=en_CA&brand=saturn&contextDisplayMode=normal)


American Web Site
2008 Saturn VUE AWD Red Line
(Select a different vehicle)
MSRP: $29,925.00
Employee Price: $27,359.50
Total Cash Back: $2,500.00
Your Price: $24,859.50*

link (http://www.gm.com/summersale/summersale.do?brandId=sa&pvcId=7566&lang=en&VIN=0&year=2008&make=Saturn&modelsubmodel=VUE+AWD+Red+Line&typestyle=AWD+Red+Line&zip=12345&ola=)


How can you explain a near 14000$ difference between both price ?

The price is more the 50% higher in Canada ????


Did someone get the GM Employee Discount promotion in the US ?

[Monsieurmaggot]

I actually kind of agree with the person saying that saving under $3k isn't really worth it. IMO, you will get less on resale for a US model than for a Canadian model (realistically, I think if you try to sell a used US model and there's an identical used Canadian model, buyers will take the Canadian one so you'll have to lower your price) - in the long run, won't make much difference but in the first 3-4 years, that will probably be all your savings. With Subaru, you also have to factor in the warranty hassles. You have to pay for any work up front and then submit for a rebate. They could decide that they aren't covering it or are only covering part of it (e.g. local dealership charges $97/hr labor but they only cover to $75/hr (no idea if this could happen)). For a Canadian car, the dealership will deal with any warranty issue for you and you never have to speak to Subaru. There's also the hassle of having a 'MPH major' speedo and miles odo - not the end of the world but it is a hassle (you can get a replacement but if you do you have to factor the cost in there too). Also you have to consider the value of having a 'local dealer' where you bought the car who might give you much better service than if you're bringing an imported car for service. It's also a whole lot less trouble buying from a local dealer.

I tend to agree, anything under $3,000 makes no real difference for most people. However, having done the import process, the fact that I'm giving my local Canadian Subaru dealer a free vacation or a Plasma TV (that's what it works out to be) doesn't sit well with me.

If I had to pick a used US vs. Canadian car, the only thing I would care about was seeing the service records. The fact that the speedometre reads MPH is irrelevant. As an owner of a US car I can tell you within a week you'll be used to it.

As far as servicing my car, local dealers are happy I visit them instead of going to a non-Subaru service outlet. The fact that I didn't buy from them doesn't matter. As far as giving me less than adequate service, if they did I would stop visiting them. I would also consider a campaign to take them to court as I'm feisty enough to do that after all the crap they put me through when I started the whole import process a while back.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I have been scouring the dealerships in NY, New Hampshire and Vermont for an 09' Forester for the past four months without much in the way a deal. The APA price for an XT Limited is about $39k all-in. With the dollar down a bit, 6.1% duty and dealers not wanting to go much below MSRP there is not much of a difference, price wise. Well, maybe worth it but the $3,000 or so saved would be not worth the trouble...

Any thoughts from those who have successfully imported a Subaru?

You're obviously not trying hard enough.

I don't know anyone who's paid anywhere close to MSRP for a US Subaru.

Also, the APA is essentially a fleet purchase plan. You pay them a fee for a pre-negotiated price. The more people that join, the better the price is. Unfortunately this only works in Canada. Those who buy in the US ALWAYS save thousands more than the APA price.

I'm thinking of starting the MMPA plan. Membership is free. You simply buy from "Canadian-Friendly" manufacturers - those who don't impede fair trade.

Remember to keep all your documentation from US dealers who refuse to sell to Canadians since they should be submitted to the 'class action' $2-Billion anti-free trade lawsuit currently in the works.

I offered all my emails to the lawfirm.

[rjmbc]

Can you PM me one please?

Done

[AbilityZone]

Essentially the quotes are somewhere between MSRP and dealer invoice price. Given that the dealers are not getting all the manufacturer incentives that an American sale would get them and the sale to a Canadian may not count towards their bonus quota (or whatever) I don't blame them for not sharpening their pencils a bit for me.

The 09' Forester is a hot item right now, so they have no reason to be aggressive; however, that's what the wife wants and her 2002 Grand AM is literally falling apart.

Thanks for your input guys, and you are right about the relatively small spread between CDN and US pricing not being worth the hassle. I'm going to be spending around $38K so I would like to save enough to make it worth the bother. Maybe I'm not working hard enough... but I am working on it.

[hhhm3]

I was lucky enough to import my Z4 before all this BMW crap started.

An near as I can tell the $350 letter of admissibility is no longer required.
From bmw.ca website:

"** Please note that all US BMW Vehicles are admissible into Canada and do not require a Letter of admissibility at border crossing.**"

But there may be an issue with not having a warranty if you don't pay them their $500 for the recall clearance letter. Also from bmw.ca:

"Your local BMW Retailer in Canada will conduct a visual inspection of the vehicle to ensure all VIN plates are intact and obtain a Car Fax report to check the vehicle's history. The Retailer will check the recall history and complete any recalls that are required. BMW Group Canada will enter the VIN into our database and validate the warranty where applicable. BMW Group Canada will only issue an official recall clearance letter once this process has been completed and documented by an authorized Canadian BMW Retailer. Please note the approximate timeframe for obtaining the Recall Clearance Letter is 7-10 business days and there is an administrative fee of $500 plus applicable taxes for this process."

And they may demand that they complete the "necessary" mods before issuing the letter.

Best bet may be to find a 4 year old bmw in great shape and get a letter from the US and don't worry about warranty. Use the money you save to budget for a good mechanic!

Apparently, If you want warranty in Canada, you have to pay $750 -$2500 (depends on the dealership) for inspection/conversion/reprogramming work that is needed to validate the vehicle for warranty. On top of which you need a recall Letter from BMW at $500 if you get the recall letter in a Canadian BMW Dealership.
But the recall letter is free from the US BMW dealerships when you buy a vehicle from them.

And this only will validate warranty in Canada but no free scheduled maintenance. Although you can paid for it an then fax it to BMW USA for reimbursement.

I guess you can also skip the Canadian warranty and cross over to the US to do the warranty/maintenance work.

[be4959]

Anyone know if there are Toyota dealerships near Niagara Falls still willing to sell new vehicles to Canadians?

I inquired with a few of them by email, Fuccillo & West Herr said no out right.
Others did not respond.

Anyone had recent experiences buying new Toyotas in the states? Please post or PM the contact information of the dealership.

Thanks in advance.

[steveng]

Anyone know if there are Toyota dealerships near Niagara Falls still willing to sell new vehicles to Canadians?

I inquired with a few of them by email, Fuccillo & West Herr said no out right.
Others did not respond.

Anyone had recent experiences buying new Toyotas in the states? Please post or PM the contact information of the dealership.

Thanks in advance.

Finding a Toyota dealer to sell you new is one thing (and easy), finding one to sell you at just above invoice is another (and very difficult).

Consider using a broker to do it. They've setup a shell company in the US that buys the car from the dealer and then "resells" it to you. A family member just did this on an 08 Sienna XLE, saved around $13k I think. The car was delivered to her door with 15 miles on it. Obviously there are other options if you want to pick up the car yourself and save the flatbed cost but that's up to you. PM for the broker. Most of them were pretty expensive and keeping A LOT of the profit for themselves, but this one was by far the best price.

[inspire]

Actually I crossed over a couple of weeks ago (Sunday evening about 4pm) to do some shopping. Took about 15 minutes. I use the tunnel all the time. IMHO the bridge is for tourists....

Monsieurmaggot -- coming to the Canadian side is a piece of cake. We're always got enough Customs officers on our side. However, it's the US side which is the pain -- that takes the 1/2 hr+ to cross. If you were able to cross either side 15 min or less ... consider yourself lucky!

My wife has been a daily commuter even before 9/11, for school and work. Since then, the ease in crossing over has been night and day. It was getting better ... but the last year it's turning bad again. Don't know why. And if you use your Nexus during rush hour -- sometimes the line-ups are longer than the 'regular' lanes, so it's not always advantageous to have one of those cards ...

Just wanted to verify something; are you saying that you guys are getting warranty work on a US Acura done just by returning to the US to having it done there? I always wondered if that would work.

Acura USA has no problems doing warranty work on their side of the border if you buy it new there. I bought it there, they'll fix it.

Infiniti USA is the same --- they'll fix it under warranty if you buy it new there. Infiniti Canada will fix it too but I went over to the US since I know people with the 6-speed manual who had the same clutch problem have it fixed at the Detroit dealer I bought from, so I went there since the service dept had experience fixing it. I wasn't sure if the Windsor dealer would know or not (I later find out there's a new TSB about that problem ...)

[veritazz]

Anyone know if there are Toyota dealerships near Niagara Falls still willing to sell new vehicles to Canadians?

I inquired with a few of them by email, Fuccillo & West Herr said no out right.
Others did not respond.

Anyone had recent experiences buying new Toyotas in the states? Please post or PM the contact information of the dealership.

Thanks in advance.

Not in Niagra falls but close to quebec

http://www.toyotakeene.com/canadian.htm

[leseuldaniel]

Essentially the quotes are somewhere between MSRP and dealer invoice price. Given that the dealers are not getting all the manufacturer incentives that an American sale would get them and the sale to a Canadian may not count towards their bonus quota (or whatever) I don't blame them for not sharpening their pencils a bit for me.

The 09' Forester is a hot item right now, so they have no reason to be aggressive; however, that's what the wife wants and her 2002 Grand AM is literally falling apart.

Thanks for your input guys, and you are right about the relatively small spread between CDN and US pricing not being worth the hassle. I'm going to be spending around $38K so I would like to save enough to make it worth the bother. Maybe I'm not working hard enough... but I am working on it.

Last spring, when the 09 forester was really hot, I got quoted 300$ over invoice, well below MSRP for a LLbean (now limited). Now you should have no problem getting invoice. Was around 27,050 (including destination, 6.1$ duty) + tax. Compare to 34K + tax here and you save 7K if dollar is at parity, which you could wait for. I have a 1997 Sunfire and I am still waiting.... :)

[jed]

Canadien WebSite

VUE Red Line AWD
Starting from $38,605 MSRP*
link (http://www.gm.ca/ss/gm/models.do?model=vue&lang=en_CA&brand=saturn&contextDisplayMode=normal)


American Web Site
2008 Saturn VUE AWD Red Line
(Select a different vehicle)
MSRP: $29,925.00
Employee Price: $27,359.50
Total Cash Back: $2,500.00
Your Price: $24,859.50*

link (http://www.gm.com/summersale/summersale.do?brandId=sa&pvcId=7566&lang=en&VIN=0&year=2008&make=Saturn&modelsubmodel=VUE+AWD+Red+Line&typestyle=AWD+Red+Line&zip=12345&ola=)


How can you explain a near 14000$ difference between both price ?

The price is more the 50% higher in Canada ????


Did someone get the GM Employee Discount promotion in the US ?

Umm, you're comparing full MSRP in Canada to a cash price in the US. Price diff may be closer to $9000, and you haven't found out if the Canadian Saturn guy will come off of MSRP - they may say that the price you see is the price you pay, my experience has been different. YMMV

[muscou]

Last spring, when the 09 forester was really hot, I got quoted 300$ over invoice, well below MSRP for a LLbean (now limited). Now you should have no problem getting invoice. Was around 27,050 (including destination, 6.1$ duty) + tax. Compare to 34K + tax here and you save 7K if dollar is at parity, which you could wait for. I have a 1997 Sunfire and I am still waiting.... :)

I just imported an 09 forester limited (+options) with Van Bortel and my final cost was $33400 CAD (car+duty+tax+hotel+gas+food,...). The same configuration here would have cost over $39K, a saving of about $6K. This was with the exchange rate at 0.97 when I converted my money to $ US and an exchange rate of 0.93 when I crossed the border.

BTW, thanks to everyone on this forum who posted useful informations over the last 500 pages, the import process was a breeze. Picked up my car on a tuesday, got form 2 at RIV the same day, CT on the wednesday and MTO on the thursday. Got the RIV sticker the following week.

[DanTou]

Send e-mail, phone, write your candidate and ask why Honda and others are allowed to put an embargo on Canada. We are not Cuba. Ask them weteher free trade is for Canadian or for Japanese companies.

You might even want to add this Cubanada flag to your signature since it seems any company can put an embargo on Canada.

http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cubanadape1.gif

[dOOMYLEIN]

Hello.

I'm 1 week away of picking up my used 4Runner from New York. My only unknown for the whole transport/export/import process is in regards to the US license plates. The car is purchased from a individual seller and it's a used car.

Do I need temporary licence plates to drive the car to the border? I will be driving from New York to Detroit and cross to Windsor.
If I need temporary license plates, do I have to issue new plates in each US state I'm driving through?

Thanks for your help!

[hhhm3]

Hello.

I'm 1 week away of picking up my used 4Runner from New York. My only unknown for the whole transport/export/import process is in regards to the US license plates. The car is purchased from a individual seller and it's a used car.

Do I need temporary licence plates to drive the car to the border? I will be driving from New York to Detroit and cross to Windsor.
If I need temporary license plates, do I have to issue new plates in each US state I'm driving through?

Thanks for your help!

You go to that state's dmv and buy a temporary cross-state permit plate and drive it home.
The temp plate is like $25 for 10 days permit? you should call to confirm.

I am not sure if you need a another temp permit when you cross over to Canada? some mto say no but some say yes? The Canadian MTO is so screwed up the just make up stuff. But most ppl importing just use the US temp permit to drive straight home and some use it and cruze their new car around until the temp permit expires with no issues from opp or cops.
Best thing to do is to get written confirmation from MTO.

[hhhm3]

Anyone know of a BMW dealership willing to sell new cars to Canadians?

Please text me if you have a hint of one or city it is in.

Much appreciated!

[eastsidesubaru]

Essentially the quotes are somewhere between MSRP and dealer invoice price. Given that the dealers are not getting all the manufacturer incentives that an American sale would get them and the sale to a Canadian may not count towards their bonus quota (or whatever) I don't blame them for not sharpening their pencils a bit for me.

The 09' Forester is a hot item right now, so they have no reason to be aggressive; however, that's what the wife wants and her 2002 Grand AM is literally falling apart.

Thanks for your input guys, and you are right about the relatively small spread between CDN and US pricing not being worth the hassle. I'm going to be spending around $38K so I would like to save enough to make it worth the bother. Maybe I'm not working hard enough... but I am working on it.

You basically nailed it right on the head. I do enjoy canadian sales, but I can't work for free, and without the incentives we had before and have on the american deals still I can't sell them below invoice like I used to. I still sell Foresters below invoice to US folks, but won't do it for an export...If you can find a dealer that does, oftentimes they are putting you in the system with a fake US address to get the incentives, and I can't help but think that will lead to future problems with warranty and fraudulency as far as recall notices getting to you, etc. NOT a good thing.
With a lot of my canadian purchasers I seriously recommend that they consider the Outback over the Forester, since it is duty-free being part of NAFTA. Love the 09 Foresters, but the Outback doesn't get enough credit and saving that 6% means you're getting more car for the money.
Anyway though... we do have a lifetime warranty on the powertrain.. unlimited miles and term for the original owner.. works in Canada at any ASE certified mechanic. So if you drive the thing into the ground, well, it's a pretty nice incentive and I don't think any Subaru dealer up in Canada gives you that.
Personally, I go home at night and pray the CAD and USD are at par again sometime soon :cheesygri

[Rossland]

Anyone know of a BMW dealership willing to sell new cars to Canadians?

Please text me if you have a hint of one or city it is in.

Much appreciated!

I doubt you will find anyone who will sell you a new one, but anything even slightly used is OK.:)

[Marzipan]

Hello.

I'm 1 week away of picking up my used 4Runner from New York. My only unknown for the whole transport/export/import process is in regards to the US license plates. The car is purchased from a individual seller and it's a used car.

Do I need temporary licence plates to drive the car to the border? I will be driving from New York to Detroit and cross to Windsor.
If I need temporary license plates, do I have to issue new plates in each US state I'm driving through?

Thanks for your help!

I wonder if it is possible to make a deal where the seller agrees to let the buyer use his plates to the border when vehicle ownership changes hands.

[eastsidesubaru]

d00m, call your local DMV and call the DMV down where you will be purchasing the vehicle, explain the situation, and see what they recommend.
Usually a temporary permit would be good enough to get you all the way home, because there are reciprocal agreements and I'd like to believe that most cops are not really so nutty that they'd give you grief over having a temp plate from a different state on your way back home. :| But just to be safe, call both DMVs and maybe any state you are going through and find out if they honor the temp plate from the other state.

[dOOMYLEIN]

Thanks to all for the replies! My intention is to get a temporary cross-state license but the exact details of it I will clarify tomorrow when I'll try to talk to the DMV office from the area I'll buy the car (Connecticut). I will also ask the seller to call them with same questions and after that we compare the answers:)

I see most of you guys have dealt with dealerships (new cars, etc) which (more or less) have some experience with exporting a car and nicely prepare all the needed documents...
Has anybody bought his US car from a private party? Any weird events that I should keep an eye on?!

[mtseymourguy]

Why do you have to pay 5 percent gst on a used car if you buy it privately?? Doesnt that kill the deal? Buying a chevrolet tracker in washington state.

the price of cars is much cheaper in toronto compared to vancouver. not sure how much of that is the salt on the roads. i guess i should compare new cars instead of used cars. my point is that some of the geographical variation in price on used cars is because certain weather conditions depreciate cars faster.

[crimsondr]

I'm thinking of buying a Lexus RX350.

Is it difficult to find a Lexus dealer willing to sell to Canadians?

Would it be more beneficial for me to find a relative in the USA to buy the car and then transfer it to me?

Thanks.

[jed]

Thanks to all for the replies! My intention is to get a temporary cross-state license but the exact details of it I will clarify tomorrow when I'll try to talk to the DMV office from the area I'll buy the car (Connecticut). I will also ask the seller to call them with same questions and after that we compare the answers:)

I see most of you guys have dealt with dealerships (new cars, etc) which (more or less) have some experience with exporting a car and nicely prepare all the needed documents...
Has anybody bought his US car from a private party? Any weird events that I should keep an eye on?!

Same as when you buy a used car here - get it inspected, search for any liens, and someone else can confirm about the title for a US car which I believe you get anyways at completion.

Don't forget to insure the car too.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Why do you have to pay 5 percent gst on a used car if you buy it privately?? Doesnt that kill the deal? Buying a chevrolet tracker in washington state.

the price of cars is much cheaper in toronto compared to vancouver. not sure how much of that is the salt on the roads. i guess i should compare new cars instead of used cars. my point is that some of the geographical variation in price on used cars is because certain weather conditions depreciate cars faster.


You need to pay GST on any car imported into Canada.

Also, vehicles from the Great Lakes region have to endure the massive amount of salt and subsequent slush on the roads. Unless you buy a car that's been rust-proofed yearly from companies like Rust Check or Crown, prepare for some serious underlying salt damage. Most people who lease cars don't put rust-proofing on them and rely on the factory coverage which is NOWHERE near enough for the Great Lakes region cars. In Toronto they typically put down 10 cm of salt for every cm. of snow (kidding). The forming slush then coats every conceivable nook and cranny.

Check the brake lines, fuel tank and undercarriage closely. If it's covered in a black greasy film with clean shiny metal underneath, it's been rust-proofed properly.

When I sold my 11-year old Rust Checked Taurus, the inspection site commented that the brake lines looked new...

[AbilityZone]

Van Bortel quoted $25,500 (roughly) drive away price for a Forester Limited 9FI. Seems like a good price to me after shopping around for quite some time.

Has anybody from Toronto purchased from Van Bortel (Rochester, NY)? I suppose I could get a friend to go with me and drive my car back, but I'd sooner travel alone. Planes? Trains? Bus?

[AbilityZone]

Somebody suggested utilizing a one-way car rental. Seems like a brilliant idea to me!

[AMD]

Or I guess you could take the bus, shouldn't be too expensive.

Might have a hard time finding a company willing to rent you a car you are going to leave on the other side of the border.

Somebody suggested utilizing a one-way car rental. Seems like a brilliant idea to me!

[inspire]

All, just came back from an Acura dealer in Michigan ... they have some overstock new 2008 Acura TL (regular, not Type-S) on sale for dirt cheap! The base models (US MRSP $34,500 including freight) going for $30k!!! There were about 5 in stock ... blue, white, silver. They also have 2 with navigation at a great price (no idea ... but below invoice for sure!)

PM me if you want to know which dealership is having the deal. I can hook you up ...

PS You will *have* to have a US mailing address to register this car. Acura will not sell you a "new" car. You will have to pay sales tax then you will wait to get your "title" to bring over to Canada...

[Monsieurmaggot]

All, just came back from an Acura dealer in Michigan ... they have some overstock new Acura TL (regular, not Type-S) on sale for dirt cheap! The base models (US MRSP $34,500 including freight) going for $30k!!! There were about 5 in stock ... blue, white, silver. They also have 2 with navigation at a great price (no idea ... but below invoice for sure!)

PM me if you want to know which dealership is having the deal. I can hook you up ...

PS You will *have* to have a US mailing address to register this car. Acura will not sell you a "new" car. You will have to pay sales tax then you will wait to get your "title" to bring over to Canada...

Most people I know who bought in Michigan had the car trailered or towed to the border and bypassed paying Michigan State tax. You only pay the tax if you drive it off the lot.

[mtseymourguy]

Has anyone done any recent price comparison between cars in vancouver and washington? How far south do you have to go to get best price? I am comparing dealer prices but the prices in bc seem to be all over the place. I dont compare private seller prices as they mark up the cars like crazy. the dealers seem to only mark up cars about 7 percent.(for negotiation)

[mtseymourguy]

Or I guess you could take the bus, shouldn't be too expensive.

Might have a hard time finding a company willing to rent you a car you are going to leave on the other side of the border.

why rent a car? that is very expensive. better to use taxi or ride your bike.

[giasone]

Anyone know a Mazda dealer in Michigan willing to forego the sales tax.

Also will Mazda honor the warranty in Canada.

Thanks.

[tockty]

Hello

If I can ask my brother in US buy a new car in his name and transfer the ownership to me, will it consider to be a used car? If so, do I have to pay PST as I know I have to pay GST?

Thanks

[rjmbc]

Anyone know a Mazda dealer in Michigan willing to forego the sales tax.

Also will Mazda honor the warranty in Canada.

Thanks.

I sent you a PM regarding one in Minnesota & one in Oregon.

[usacars2canada]

Hello

If I can ask my brother in US buy a new car in his name and transfer the ownership to me, will it consider to be a used car? If so, do I have to pay PST as I know I have to pay GST?

Thanks

You don't have to pay GST if the vehicle is a gift from your spouse, parents, grandparents, children or grandchildren. You will need a sworn statement. Check this out:
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/used.htm

Tax exemption

You do not have to pay retail sales tax if:

* You are a qualifying Diplomat or Status Indian. You can complete a transfer by showing your identity card.
* You receive a vehicle as a gift from a close family member, such as:
o Spouse
o Parent or step-parent
o Grand-parent
o Son or step-son
o Daughter or step-daughter
o Grandson or granddaughter
o Step-grandson or Step-granddaughter
o Son-in-law
o Daughter-in-law
o Father-in-law
o Mother-in-law

Note: only one tax-free transfer per vehicle is allowed every 12 months within your close family.

For some transfers, such as gifts between family members and transfers for insurance purposes, you must have a statement sworn before a Commissioner of Oaths. Present this statement when registering your new vehicle at a Driver and Vehicle Licence Issuing Office.

[jgmaull]

All, just came back from an Acura dealer in Michigan ... they have some overstock new Acura TL (regular, not Type-S) on sale for dirt cheap! The base models (US MRSP $34,500 including freight) going for $30k!!! There were about 5 in stock ... blue, white, silver. They also have 2 with navigation at a great price (no idea ... but below invoice for sure!)

PM me if you want to know which dealership is having the deal. I can hook you up ...

PS You will *have* to have a US mailing address to register this car. Acura will not sell you a "new" car. You will have to pay sales tax then you will wait to get your "title" to bring over to Canada...

Holy Crap, that is dirt cheap. Any Ideal how long to get the title?

[tockty]

You don't have to pay GST if the vehicle is a gift from your spouse, parents, grandparents, children or grandchildren. You will need a sworn statement. Check this out:
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/used.htm

Tax exemption

You do not have to pay retail sales tax if:

* You are a qualifying Diplomat or Status Indian. You can complete a transfer by showing your identity card.
* You receive a vehicle as a gift from a close family member, such as:
o Spouse
o Parent or step-parent
o Grand-parent
o Son or step-son
o Daughter or step-daughter
o Grandson or granddaughter
o Step-grandson or Step-granddaughter
o Son-in-law
o Daughter-in-law
o Father-in-law
o Mother-in-law

Note: only one tax-free transfer per vehicle is allowed every 12 months within your close family.

For some transfers, such as gifts between family members and transfers for insurance purposes, you must have a statement sworn before a Commissioner of Oaths. Present this statement when registering your new vehicle at a Driver and Vehicle Licence Issuing Office.

Thank you!

[jed]

Van Bortel quoted $25,500 (roughly) drive away price for a Forester Limited 9FI. Seems like a good price to me after shopping around for quite some time.

Has anybody from Toronto purchased from Van Bortel (Rochester, NY)? I suppose I could get a friend to go with me and drive my car back, but I'd sooner travel alone. Planes? Trains? Bus?

As far as peeps buying from Van Bortel, you really need to do a search on this thread...

[grons]

I have been scouring the dealerships in NY, New Hampshire and Vermont for an 09' Forester for the past four months without much in the way a deal. The APA price for an XT Limited is about $39k all-in. With the dollar down a bit, 6.1% duty and dealers not wanting to go much below MSRP there is not much of a difference, price wise. Well, maybe worth it but the $3,000 or so saved would be not worth the trouble...

Any thoughts from those who have successfully imported a Subaru?

Canadian Price with freight - $36390
US Price with freight - $28860 * duty*curr = $34427

Those are full MSRP - as we all know the US sells at invoice - so it would be about $2000 less.

So the above differential is now $4000.

How much did you negotiate off the Canadian price?

[AbilityZone]

CDN price $32,155 - invoice + markup + freight + referral fee
US price $25,506 - invoice + markup + freight
$1,555 + riv + currency exchange.

So about $4,000 savings, plus pst and gst on the $4k (around $520)

Hope my math is right!

[inspire]

Holy Crap, that is dirt cheap. Any Ideal how long to get the title?
No idea ... depends on when the dealer can mail out the paperwork to the DMV of the appropriate state. A week? :confused: Not sure how Monsieurmaggot know people who were able to evade state tax and receive the title from the dealership ...

[humster01]

Van Bortel quoted $25,500 (roughly) drive away price for a Forester Limited 9FI. Seems like a good price to me after shopping around for quite some time.

Has anybody from Toronto purchased from Van Bortel (Rochester, NY)? I suppose I could get a friend to go with me and drive my car back, but I'd sooner travel alone. Planes? Trains? Bus?

I just purchased same thing from Van Bortels 6 weeks ago and had wife drive me from Belleville ON to pick up Forester, she returned via 1000 Islands and I drove around lake via Lexington gateway for customs US and Canadian, stopped at RIV office on way back got paperwork, made it to CTC in Belleville that evening for RIV inspection, picked up up plates next morning less than 24 hours total. Saved between 5-7 thousand all depends, used Van Bortels build your own and dealt with Karl great experience. Couldn't find an easier way that wife driving our car back, cost wise, stayed overnite at Microtel in Victor NY, any other questions PM me

[Swarez99]

I've been going through this forum and havn't seen anyone buy a Honda from that states...has anyone had any experiance doing so or know people who have? I know I would have to give up my warrenty but still considering it since the price difference can be huge. (Looking at a 2008 Accord Coupe). If anyone has any experiance or advice for me that would be great.

thanks in advance!!!

[michelb]

I've been going through this forum and havn't seen anyone buy a Honda from that states...has anyone had any experiance doing so or know people who have? I know I would have to give up my warrenty but still considering it since the price difference can be huge. (Looking at a 2008 Accord Coupe). If anyone has any experiance or advice for me that would be great.

thanks in advance!!!

?????

Did you try searching the thread for Honda ?!? I did, it comes back with 350 hits.

As you said, you'll lose the warranty but a lot of people have still bought them. It's not the easiest car to import since it appears difficult to get the recall letter and you might have a hard time finding a dealer that will sell you a new one (If you are looking for new) but you should be able to get one with a bit of work or you could certainly just buy one through a broker.

[Swarez99]

?????

Did you try searching the thread for Honda ?!? I did, it comes back with 350 hits.

As you said, you'll lose the warranty but a lot of people have still bought them. It's not the easiest car to import since it appears difficult to get the recall letter and you might have a hard time finding a dealer that will sell you a new one (If you are looking for new) but you should be able to get one with a bit of work or you could certainly just buy one through a broker.

I actually can't search threads from my work comp...It doesn't work properly...but I can do it at home to get better results.

I can live with no warrenty, and either new or slightly used (<15000 miles) is OK with me if I can get a good deal.

[killbillvol1]

Thank you!

Would the vehicle then have to be registered in only the name of the receiving spouse, or can both be on the title?

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[Piers]

There is a lot of great information to sort through here but I was hoping to get clarification on the following:

I'm looking to purchase a roadster in January (thinking Z4 or Boxster) probably a couple of years old (lets say up to 6). If I'm in Vancouver what is the cheapest place for me to look?

Will purchasing from WA be beneficial? Anyone had any experience doing this on the coast?

[DrXenon]

Dollar is only worth 93.2 cents today. Boy, I hope it goes up again before I buy my car in the new year.

[HP_John]

There is a lot of great information to sort through here but I was hoping to get clarification on the following:

I'm looking to purchase a roadster in January (thinking Z4 or Boxster) probably a couple of years old (lets say up to 6). If I'm in Vancouver what is the cheapest place for me to look?

Will purchasing from WA be beneficial? Anyone had any experience doing this on the coast?

Z4 has no 6.1% duty I think, as I believe it's made in the US. Keep in mind that the Z4 is being redesigned very soon (09 calendar yr, 2010 model yr). You can get the Z4 really cheap relative to its MSRP, as BMW has huge incentives on them that drive down both new & used prices, while used Boxsters haven't depreciated too much relatively.

Cali prices tend to be much better than WA, as it's a much more competitive market. WA dealers are used to Cdns near the border willing to pay more than Americans, because they figure they're saving so much anyway. However, I believe you must pay Cali state taxes if you drive it back, so get it shipped to avoid this (weigh the shipping cost vs the savings of buying from Cali vs WA). For me, even with shipping, I saved by buying from Cali instead of NY, I'm in Toronto & got it shipped from Cali to NY state instead of buying from a NY dealer.

I don't know if you have to pay WA state taxes on imports.

[Coronas]

We are trying to buy a F350 from the US but the dealers are telling us that all the insentives offed in the US do not apply to Canadians.These insentives total almost 9k so it is a huge deal I was wondering if anyone had to deal with this and if there is a reasonable way around it.I am in Alberta and if anyone has good history with dealers close to our boarder I would luv to know about them

[PMREdmonton]

?????

Did you try searching the thread for Honda ?!? I did, it comes back with 350 hits.

As you said, you'll lose the warranty but a lot of people have still bought them. It's not the easiest car to import since it appears difficult to get the recall letter and you might have a hard time finding a dealer that will sell you a new one (If you are looking for new) but you should be able to get one with a bit of work or you could certainly just buy one through a broker.

You can easily get used Hondas.

For a new Honda, you'll need to use a brokers service or relative/friend in the US.

You don't need recall letter anymore for Honda/Acura. RIV looks it up for you as they know Honda is not participating.

[PMREdmonton]

We are trying to buy a F350 from the US but the dealers are telling us that all the insentives offed in the US do not apply to Canadians.These insentives total almost 9k so it is a huge deal I was wondering if anyone had to deal with this and if there is a reasonable way around it.I am in Alberta and if anyone has good history with dealers close to our boarder I would luv to know about them

The easiest way is to use a broker.

[southpaw4golf]

If you can pick it up yourself rather than have it shipped you are going to save yourself a bucket of $$$ so that may offset the closeness to the border inflation.
For an alternative lead to savings try Coyleautogroup in Texas, Eddie can hand pick one for you. I purchased a 04 Z4 from him and have nothing but good to say about the guy.


Z4 has no 6.1% duty I think, as I believe it's made in the US. Keep in mind that the Z4 is being redesigned very soon (09 calendar yr, 2010 model yr). You can get the Z4 really cheap relative to its MSRP, as BMW has huge incentives on them that drive down both new & used prices, while used Boxsters haven't depreciated too much relatively.

Cali prices tend to be much better than WA, as it's a much more competitive market. WA dealers are used to Cdns near the border willing to pay more than Americans, because they figure they're saving so much anyway. However, I believe you must pay Cali state taxes if you drive it back, so get it shipped to avoid this (weigh the shipping cost vs the savings of buying from Cali vs WA). For me, even with shipping, I saved by buying from Cali instead of NY, I'm in Toronto & got it shipped from Cali to NY state instead of buying from a NY dealer.

I don't know if you have to pay WA state taxes on imports.

[Dmitrya]

For a new Honda, you'll need to use a brokers service or relative/friend in the US.



How this process works? Do we need to pay US taxes if I'll use relative/friend in US? Or.. how much will cost if I'm using brokers service to buy from dealer and after to buy from him?

[browna]

Well, looks like I may be indirectly getting a US car today, from someone who brings them up, and got this up here a few weeks ago.

Question I have is, what should I make sure that this person has to make sure the car is legal here?

Obvsiouly, as long as it has the Canadian certification sticker and of course provincial registration I should be good on that end, but what proof is there that it was properly exported from the US? Other then the original stamped paperwork/title? I am sure it would've been, but just covering my a$$.

Also, other then the Carfax which I already did, a provicncial lien check, and a Carproof report, anything else I should do to check up on the vehicle before purchasing? I am thinking a call to GM Canada to make sure that the warranty is still good/valid (no reason why it shouldn't be though, still has 14,000km and just over a year left on the original warranty).

TIA

[DrXenon]

Someone in our office was asking what the process for importing a Mini would be these days. I understand that the admissibility letter is no longer required, and there is conflicting information on the internets about whether the $500 recall letter fee is still in place. The Mini speedo is in mph only, but I think you could put some stickers on and remove them once the RIV inspection is passed.

Canadian warranty is not required; she can cross the border for any warranty work.

Does anyone know anything about this?

[PMREdmonton]

How this process works? Do we need to pay US taxes if I'll use relative/friend in US? Or.. how much will cost if I'm using brokers service to buy from dealer and after to buy from him?

If you use a US relative, he will generally have to register the car to get the title which means you will have to pay state taxes. If you have a relative in a tax-free state such as Alaska, Oregon, Montana - no problem.

Otherwise, there is a Canadian Broker named Hachey Imports that runs a car dealership in Nova Scotia and another one in Maine that is able to handle all the steps for you. He has a website - pretty straightforward fellow and explains how the process works.

Every dealer uses a slightly different business model. I think you have to only give Hachey a deposit until you have received you car and you can avoid state taxes altogether.

[dunone]

How this process works? Do we need to pay US taxes if I'll use relative/friend in US? Or.. how much will cost if I'm using brokers service to buy from dealer and after to buy from him?

You can review my post on this forum #15386 on 23 Aug 08 giving another alternative. At least it worked for me, in Western Canada.

[tdotcitizen]

This dealer in Michigan claims: "We Specialize in Canadian Sales"

*Take Delivery In Sarnia or Windsor
*Financing & Leasing Available from Canadian Lenders


They mostly sell new nad pre-owned Hyundai and Mitsubishi's.

http://www.canadiancarsdirect.com/

Here are their new cars' prices:
http://backwebs.homenetinc.com/arnoldhyundai/browse2.asp?param_new-used=new

And pre-owned cars:
http://backwebs.homenetinc.com/arnoldhyundai/browse2.asp?param_new-used=used

Are their prices any good? Although with cash deals available from Hyundai and Kia in Canada, I'm not sure how good are this dealer's prices are.

[ziploc]

This dealer in Michigan claims: "We Specialize in Canadian Sales"

*Take Delivery In Sarnia or Windsor
*Financing & Leasing Available from Canadian Lenders


They mostly sell new nad pre-owned Hyundai and Mitsubishi's.

http://www.canadiancarsdirect.com/

Here are their new cars' prices:
http://backwebs.homenetinc.com/arnoldhyundai/browse2.asp?param_new-used=new

And pre-owned cars:
http://backwebs.homenetinc.com/arnoldhyundai/browse2.asp?param_new-used=used

Are their prices any good? Although with cash deals available from Hyundai and Kia in Canada, I'm not sure how good are this dealer's prices are.

I bought 2 cars from them..
I dealt with the owner himself..

very good service
as for prices..
for the first one it was fairly(similar to any other) priced...but for the second I got a really good deal...

[eastsidesubaru]

Just out of curiosity... Can anybody tell me why the canadian dollar is not at par anymore? I'm curious... It seems like the US dollar should be even more worthless given everything that's transpired over the 9 months, and yet compared to the CAD the USD has an advantage again. Any econ majors? :cheesygri

[the Bez]

Just completed a deal on an '09 Camry Hybrid today at a Montana dealership. Got it with Leather (LA), Upgrade Package (UP), Convenience Package (CQ), Body Side Mouldings (BM) and All Weather Mats but with no Sunroof or NAV (didn't want to pay for them) for $1500 under MSRP. Not as great a deal as I'd hoped for but the best I could find. Some dealers told me MSRP only (no negotiating) and a minimum 3-4 months wait, so I think I did alright.

I have 2 questions for those who may have imported a TCH before:

1. Are any mods required to the Daytime Running Lights to allow the car to be imported?

2. I live in Edmonton and no car can survive here without a block heater. Does a hybrid need a block heater? I assume the gasoline engine needs one, but has anyone had one installed before?

Any help you could provide would be greatly appreciated.

Bez

[usacars2canada]

Just out of curiosity... Can anybody tell me why the canadian dollar is not at par anymore? I'm curious... It seems like the US dollar should be even more worthless given everything that's transpired over the 9 months, and yet compared to the CAD the USD has an advantage again. Any econ majors? :cheesygri

From Yahoo Finance: link (http://biz.yahoo.com/fxcm/081003/1223079531586.html?.v=1)

Fundamental Outlook for Canadian Dollar: Bearish

- Canadian GDP Grew 0.7% in July, which was its fastest pace since March 2004.

Despite improved growth the Canadian dollar fell over 500 points against the dollar as global growth declines. The anticipated decline in demand for raw materials has led to commodity prices dropping, which is expected to weigh on the Canadian economy. The natural resource rich country had been able to withstand the headwinds from the U.S. on the back of the commodity boom.

The declining global growth picture may continue to weigh on the “loonie” as commodity prices continue to fall. The CRB index has fallen 28% since its July 3 highs and it is no coincidence that the USDCAD has appreciated over 800 bps since. The pair has broken through resistance at 1.0804 the 61.8% Fibo extension of the 1.1883 – 0.9062 decline. 1.0869 the 8/16 high is the next level of resistance, after that the “loonie” could see significant losses reversing its rally in early 2007. The fundamental data on tap traditionally provides event risk for the pair, but with very little change expected in the indicators ,the broader economic factors may dominate price action. The Ivey PMI reading for August is expected to slip to 51.0 from 51.5 as it remains in expansion territory. Yet, the reading would be the lowest since December 2007 and is considerable lower than June’s 65.5 print. Meanwhile, the employment report is expected to show an increase of 12,500 jobs which would be the second consecutive month of gains following the 55,200 drop in July. Relative to the U.S. economy which lost jobs for the past nine months including 159,000 in September, the Canadian labor market is strong. This will increase the prospect of continued domestic growth, which could provide “loonie’ support. Indeed, last month’s International Merchandise Trade balance report showed a narrowing surplus as imports outpaced exports on the back of increased demand for new cars. The upcoming August report is expected to show further narrowing which could be a sign that domestic demand remains strong. However, if exports continue to slump, which is very likely given the current global slowdown, then the outlook for growth will diminish adding to the current bearish Canadian dollar sentiment. - JR

[brendonp]

Someone in our office was asking what the process for importing a Mini would be these days. I understand that the admissibility letter is no longer required, and there is conflicting information on the internets about whether the $500 recall letter fee is still in place. The Mini speedo is in mph only, but I think you could put some stickers on and remove them once the RIV inspection is passed.

Canadian warranty is not required; she can cross the border for any warranty work.

Does anyone know anything about this?

Our Mini is an '05, and it had KPH markings (just smallaer), so unless the newer ones are different, this shouldn't be an issue. I had the DRLs enabled (~$50), and the LCD readouts switched to metric (~$50) by Mini of Waterloo. The LCD readout switch wasn't required, but we did it anyway just in case anyone hassled us about the speedo (the LCD shows the speed in KPH).

Pretty simple process for this car.

[DrXenon]

Thanks for the reply, brendonp. Mini changed the speedo in '07 (I think) to show only mph. Canadian Minis show only kph these days. Could your mini display kph on the LCD before the reprogramming work you had done? The US Mini site says it has DRLs, so that shouldn't be an issue unless they are disableable like the Camry.

With the unfavourable exchange rate, foreign car duty and necessity of cold weather package and such (which bumps the price to $US23540 or so), the US$20k Mini Clubman becomes a C$30k car, which is a lot for a not-terribly-luxuriously-equipped subcompact. :-(

[TTony]

2. I live in Edmonton and no car can survive here without a block heater. Does a hybrid need a block heater? I assume the gasoline engine needs one, but has anyone had one installed before?



http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080116202432AAYRzE5

[ottofly]

Just out of curiosity... Can anybody tell me why the canadian dollar is not at par anymore? I'm curious... It seems like the US dollar should be even more worthless given everything that's transpired over the 9 months, and yet compared to the CAD the USD has an advantage again. Any econ majors? :cheesygri


The US dollar, up until July, has gone down for 8 straight years. If you're waiting for it to go to zero, I'm afraid you'll be waiting a long time.

The US has problems, but so does the rest of the world. Actually, the EURO zone and Great Britain have even bigger problems, and they're waffling about how and what to do to fix them. The US, in taking quick and decisive action has led institutional investors right into the US dollar. As I mentioned in a previous post, there are 3-4 really liquid currencies being the USD, YEN, EURO and to a lesser extent the Swissie. The YEN has been rising steadily, while the EURO is on the way down due to the problems. It was massively overvalued to begin with. People can hate and bash the US all they want, the US dollar remains the defacto world currency. China not pulling there 2 trillion dollars despite the problems is proof of that and a vote of confidence.

That being said, it looks like Canadian dollar strength party is coming to an end. It had no business being at parity let alone getting to 10% above parity. We are tiny economy representing less then 3% of world nominal GDP even with the tailwind of high commodity prices and huge demand. Most of the rise was due more to US dollar weakness then rising commodity prices. Anyone looking to buy in the US should do so fairly soon, as the consensus is for the CAD dollar to range between $.085-$0.90 for then next few months. Then again who knows what other skeletons are hiding in the closets of banks all over the world. Now Germany, who was laughing at the US situation have their own crisis and bank to bail out.

Credit must once again go to posters HP_John and mangoman. They originally forecast this decline back in July.

[tomw]

This may have been posted before but I can't find any reference to it. In reference to 2008 and on Subaru warranty work I understand that you have to pay for warranty work out of pocket and submit the bill to SOA for reimbursment.
When I picked up my 2009 Outback the sales guy told me that some dealerships will still do it the old way, they will cover the warranty and submit the claim to SOA.
Does anyone know if this is true and which dealership will do that?

Thanks.

[Cars4Canadians]

Does anyone know what the sales of BMW were for Sept in Canada?
i just wonder if they did well...

[the Bez]

Quote:
2. I live in Edmonton and no car can survive here without a block heater. Does a hybrid need a block heater? I assume the gasoline engine needs one, but has anyone had one installed before?

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080116202432AAYRzE5

Thanks alot TTony, much appreciated!!!

[eastsidesubaru]

The US dollar, up until July, has gone down for 8 straight years. If you're waiting for it to go to zero, I'm afraid you'll be waiting a long time.

The US has problems, but so does the rest of the world. Actually, the EURO zone and Great Britain have even bigger problems, and they're waffling about how and what to do to fix them. The US, in taking quick and decisive action has led institutional investors right into the US dollar. As I mentioned in a previous post, there are 3-4 really liquid currencies being the USD, YEN, EURO and to a lesser extent the Swissie. The YEN has been rising steadily, while the EURO is on the way down due to the problems. It was massively overvalued to begin with. People can hate and bash the US all they want, the US dollar remains the defacto world currency. China not pulling there 2 trillion dollars despite the problems is proof of that and a vote of confidence.

That being said, it looks like Canadian dollar strength party is coming to an end. It had no business being at parity let alone getting to 10% above parity. We are tiny economy representing less then 3% of world nominal GDP even with the tailwind of high commodity prices and huge demand. Most of the rise was due more to US dollar weakness then rising commodity prices. Anyone looking to buy in the US should do so fairly soon, as the consensus is for the CAD dollar to range between $.085-$0.90 for then next few months. Then again who knows what other skeletons are hiding in the closets of banks all over the world. Now Germany, who was laughing at the US situation have their own crisis and bank to bail out.

Credit must once again go to posters HP_John and mangoman. They originally forecast this decline back in July.

Thanks! Very interesting from a US side of things to have watched the canadian dollar hit par and then back down... But I guess it makes some kind of sense. It's interesting to me to watch - a lot of investors here were looking overseas for safer waters and more global investments for greater gains and more diversification-but when the US economy went south, the investors who looked overseas haven't done a whole lot better... Just read this article:
http://www.businessweek.com/investor/content/oct2008/pi2008106_018785.htm?chan=rss_topStories_ssi_5
I remember a stock broker less than a year ago telling me the smart move was to move everything overseas :cheesygri woops.

Frankly, it's disappointing being in a border state, since the extra business was nice, and I think the shifting CAD will only see the canadian auto industry trying to defend the price gouging by saying, "See? Currency is volatile!! Thaaaat's why there was such a huge price disparity..."....
Although.. there was a time when some Americans went up to Canada to buy their autos for cheaper.. Wonder if it'll come full circle again.

[skanji]

This dealer in Michigan claims: "We Specialize in Canadian Sales"

*Take Delivery In Sarnia or Windsor
*Financing & Leasing Available from Canadian Lenders


They mostly sell new nad pre-owned Hyundai and Mitsubishi's.

http://www.canadiancarsdirect.com/

Here are their new cars' prices:
http://backwebs.homenetinc.com/arnoldhyundai/browse2.asp?param_new-used=new

And pre-owned cars:
http://backwebs.homenetinc.com/arnoldhyundai/browse2.asp?param_new-used=used

Are their prices any good? Although with cash deals available from Hyundai and Kia in Canada, I'm not sure how good are this dealer's prices are.

What about warranties from Hyundai Canada. Will they still be honored on the new cars purchased from Hyundai USA?

[sienna owner]

What about warranties from Hyundai Canada. Will they still be honored on the new cars purchased from Hyundai USA?

No.

[Anonymouse]

One Subaru dealer in Syracuse seems to have bought up a trailerful of ex-rental Outbacks from Utah. They're CPO cars - does anyone know if the CPO warranty will be honoured in Canada?

Also, does anyone have any thoughts about buying an ex-rental? I think they would have been maintained quite well by the rental company to preserve the warranty.

[junkmonk]

i'm planning on buying a civic ex automatic (or sport version in canada)

the msrp in the states is 20,675 after the destination and handling fee on the website.

the msrp in canada 24,090 after freight & PDI on the website.

Now, I know that you have to pay GST and PST on cars bought from the states... this will bring it up to around 24,000 after tax.. but the 6.1% duty fee, does this apply to honda cars? are they manufactured in north america?

I know this is a silly question but do I pay GST and PST on top of the msrp on cars bought in CANADA? If so, it is worth buying the car from the states no?

I know that honda doesn't honour their warranty in canada from the states, but that doesn't matter to me because i'm going to be exporting the car to lithuania anyways, but for a few months I will be using it in Canada. It still turns out cheaper to buy one here + export it than buying it in lithuania.

[AMD]

I think you're good for the duty...

From Wikipedia :
"In North America, the Civic hatchback was dropped for 2006. The 2006 model year standard Civics for North America are manufactured in Alliston, Ontario, Canada (sedans, coupes and Si Coupes) and East Liberty, Ohio (sedans), while the Hybrid version is manufactured in Japan."

So NA Civic is made in NA, so no duty to pay.

i'm planning on buying a civic ex automatic (or sport version in canada)

the msrp in the states is 20,675 after the destination and handling fee on the website.

the msrp in canada 24,090 after freight & PDI on the website.

Now, I know that you have to pay GST and PST on cars bought from the states... this will bring it up to around 24,000 after tax.. but the 6.1% duty fee, does this apply to honda cars? are they manufactured in north america?

I know this is a silly question but do I pay GST and PST on top of the msrp on cars bought in CANADA? If so, it is worth buying the car from the states no?

I know that honda doesn't honour their warranty in canada from the states, but that doesn't matter to me because i'm going to be exporting the car to lithuania anyways, but for a few months I will be using it in Canada. It still turns out cheaper to buy one here + export it than buying it in lithuania.

[junkmonk]

great thanks for the quick reply! however, do you have to pay GST+PST on top of the 24,000 MSRP in Canada, or is that tax included? Thanks.

[Genia11]

GST and PST will need to be paid for cars bought in Canada.

You will also need to take into account the exchange rate... which is very unfavourable compared to a few months ago.

I know this is a silly question but do I pay GST and PST on top of the msrp on cars bought in CANADA? If so, it is worth buying the car from the states no?

[ziploc]

What about warranties from Hyundai Canada. Will they still be honored on the new cars purchased from Hyundai USA?

No coverage in Canada....You have to pay and get reimbursed or go south to get your car fixed....

I had one small claim and my dealer reimbursed me the same day when I sended him my bill......

[Gentile]

The slide the dollar is taking doesn't make this so attractive anymore. I was planning on buying an Outback XT from New Hampshire in November, guess I missed the window of opportunity.

[michelb]

One Subaru dealer in Syracuse seems to have bought up a trailerful of ex-rental Outbacks from Utah. They're CPO cars - does anyone know if the CPO warranty will be honoured in Canada?

Also, does anyone have any thoughts about buying an ex-rental? I think they would have been maintained quite well by the rental company to preserve the warranty.

Don't know about the CPO warranty for Subarus but one thing I do know as that rentals are not maintained. PERIOD. Everyday the car isn't available for renting is a day they they're potentially losing money so if it's running, it's going out. My father-in-law shuttles cars for Avis (as his 'retired-job'). According to him (and I believe him), the cars they have get their 1st oil change when they go to auction which is usually at 36000 to 50000km (for the only reason that it looks really bad at auction when the car has the original factory oil filter with that mileage ...). A few years ago my wife rented a car to do a road-trip around the US. When she rented it, she asked if she needed to do oil changes since she'd be driving so much - the clerk (at Enterprise I think) told her that if she wanted to, she could get them done and keep the receipt and they'd reimburse her but she didn't need to. She did about 18000km without an oil change and they had no problem with that.

The other problem with rentals is that people often aren't exactly gentle with them since it's not their own car.

[Monsieurmaggot]

The slide the dollar is taking doesn't make this so attractive anymore. I was planning on buying an Outback XT from New Hampshire in November, guess I missed the window of opportunity.

Not true!

Depending on what you buy you can still save thousands. Canadian dealers will use this argument to persuade you to buy here.

Sure it's not as cheap as when the dollar hovered around the .95 cent mark for ages, but even today, there's only a 5% exchange difference, you're looking at only paying $1500 more on $30k purchase. On a Subaru you're looking to still save in the $15k range!

[Monsieurmaggot]

Don't know about the CPO warranty for Subarus but one thing I do know as that rentals are not maintained. PERIOD. Everyday the car isn't available for renting is a day they they're potentially losing money so if it's running, it's going out. My father-in-law shuttles cars for Avis (as his 'retired-job'). According to him (and I believe him), the cars they have get their 1st oil change when they go to auction which is usually at 36000 to 50000km (for the only reason that it looks really bad at auction when the car has the original factory oil filter with that mileage ...). A few years ago my wife rented a car to do a road-trip around the US. When she rented it, she asked if she needed to do oil changes since she'd be driving so much - the clerk (at Enterprise I think) told her that if she wanted to, she could get them done and keep the receipt and they'd reimburse her but she didn't need to. She did about 18000km without an oil change and they had no problem with that.

The other problem with rentals is that people often aren't exactly gentle with them since it's not their own car.

Same with lease returns. I know lots of people who never change the oil or do any maintenance in their leased vehicles until a month or so before they hand it back. The dealer would be hard-pressed to prove no work was ever done.

[Anonymouse]

Boggle. Don't the dealers demand service receipts when you drop off the car? It seems to me that that's the only way to protect their investment.

This flight to safety in the USD is harshing my buzz. My beautiful Outback Limited is turning into a Premium Edition, and if the currency keeps going against me I'm not sure it's gonna be in the budget anymore. :-(

[ottofly]

Not true!

Depending on what you buy you can still save thousands. Canadian dealers will use this argument to persuade you to buy here.

Sure it's not as cheap as when the dollar hovered around the .95 cent mark for ages, but even today, there's only a 5% exchange difference, you're looking at only paying $1500 more on $30k purchase. On a Subaru you're looking to still save in the $15k range!

Totally agree.

True, the rates are no longer as favorable but it still works out on many models, especially higher priced trucks and higher end German cars Subaru's and Toyota's. On cars like the Civic EX example posted above it's not so advantageous with an 89 cent loonie.

And another thing, Use the American MSRP as a starting point but make sure you call dealers away from border states. Most will sell below MSRP. I'm willing to bet with this serious deflation happening some automakers in the US may be more receptive to Canadian sales. Apparently auto sales the past few weeks have literally come to a total halt according to a CNBC talking head 2 days ago. I'm sure sales here at home can't be that much better.

[mangoman]

Can't quite take credit for that - but I was definitely more than happy to make the deal I made closer to par instead of waiting around for the unspec'd day when the Cdn dollar was going to be $1.25 . With today's rate of 0.83 or 0.84 (OUCH! but good for the Cdn manufacturers exporting to the U.S. if there are any left!) I will say that I would expect to see a bounce back to around 0.90 in the next month or two (see how I gave a timeline so people can judge if this is relevant to their situation or not) - once again just an opinion. Who would have thought we'd see oil at under $80/barrel again this soon, eh?

Actually, I can think of one other poster that didn't who is rather quiet right now. :-0

The US dollar, up until July, has gone down for 8 straight years. If you're waiting for it to go to zero, I'm afraid you'll be waiting a long time.

The US has problems, but so does the rest of the world. Actually, the EURO zone and Great Britain have even bigger problems, and they're waffling about how and what to do to fix them. The US, in taking quick and decisive action has led institutional investors right into the US dollar. As I mentioned in a previous post, there are 3-4 really liquid currencies being the USD, YEN, EURO and to a lesser extent the Swissie. The YEN has been rising steadily, while the EURO is on the way down due to the problems. It was massively overvalued to begin with. People can hate and bash the US all they want, the US dollar remains the defacto world currency. China not pulling there 2 trillion dollars despite the problems is proof of that and a vote of confidence.

That being said, it looks like Canadian dollar strength party is coming to an end. It had no business being at parity let alone getting to 10% above parity. We are tiny economy representing less then 3% of world nominal GDP even with the tailwind of high commodity prices and huge demand. Most of the rise was due more to US dollar weakness then rising commodity prices. Anyone looking to buy in the US should do so fairly soon, as the consensus is for the CAD dollar to range between $.085-$0.90 for then next few months. Then again who knows what other skeletons are hiding in the closets of banks all over the world. Now Germany, who was laughing at the US situation have their own crisis and bank to bail out.

Credit must once again go to posters HP_John and mangoman. They originally forecast this decline back in July.

[PMREdmonton]

Will the last person out of here turn out the lights, LOL.

We'll have to wait for the Cdn dollar to recover up to around 90-95 cents to make shopping in the US a reasonable option. I'm predicting this will happen sometime around next summer when oil recovers again as demand heats up.

In the meantime, I'll just drive my 1998 Camry into the ground. I have a long memory and I'm not giving any Cdn manufacturers any of my money until their car prices are comparable with the US.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Will the last person out of here turn out the lights, LOL.

We'll have to wait for the Cdn dollar to recover up to around 90-95 cents to make shopping in the US a reasonable option. I'm predicting this will happen sometime around next summer when oil recovers again as demand heats up.

In the meantime, I'll just drive my 1998 Camry into the ground. I have a long memory and I'm not giving any Cdn manufacturers any of my money until their car prices are comparable with the US.


Man the buck took a beating today. But at least the petroleum companies and banks in Canada are doing good.

Just read our banking system is the safest in the world and that money should be pouring into the country soon. <then I woke from that dream>.

[PMREdmonton]

Man the buck took a beating today. But at least the petroleum companies and banks in Canada are doing good.

Just read our banking system is the safest in the world and that money should be pouring into the country soon. <then I woke from that dream>.

Given that we are an exporting and commodities economy, the dollar failling will give Cdn industries a bit of breathing space. One thing that is forgotten is that during the commodities boom of the new millenium, part of the benefit of the price in commodities was negated by the appreciation of the dollar.

Most economists seem to feel the depreciation of the Cdn dollar is presently due to panic and it will eventually rebound to a level in the 90s again. Heck, some people believe that as oil continues its long-term upward trend that the dollar will settle in the $1.05-1.15 range.

Anyhow, I really believe time is on our side in the long run and the decline in the dollar in the short-term will help out with the impending recession for most Canadian businesses. It will also give businesses a reprieve and further chance to adapt to the long-term reality of a stronger Cdn dollar. Everyone now knows it is probably coming.

[djredhat]

At 1.2, I think this deal thread should be moved to dead deals >:(

[ottofly]

At 1.2, I think this deal thread should be moved to dead deals >:(


No way, this thread should NOT be moved at all. Regardless of the dollar, there will be TREMENDOUS buying opportunities south of the border in the next few months, especially on slightly used 1-2 year old models, and sports high end cars like the Corvette/MB/BMW/Audi. There is nothing but sellers for these types of cars right now. Banks are seizing them by the thousands and selling them at auctions for peanuts. An Illinois GM dealer was interviewed on CNBC and he said that in his 30 years he has not seen it this bad. Sales have not slowed down or dropped, they have come to a complete HALT. Only cash deals are going through, or people who come with a large down payment. For the rest, loans are next to impossible without any equity stake in the vehicule.

As for the CDN dollar, we can forget a rally any time soon. At best, we may see a short lived spike back to .90 cents. The commodity story is dead and will continue to be dead as long as the US dollar remains strong. Right now, there is a massive flight to quality and safety in the US dollar. Trends are really hard to reverse in currencies, but the US dollar has reversed after 8 straight years of going down. Once again, the US haters and critics got it all wrong. So much cash is flowing into US treasury's the US mint won't even have to print 1 dollar to fund the bailouts.

As for me, I took mangoman's advice, did some of my own research and converted $20,000 at par back in July just in case the dollar declined. It's now become about $23,000. Still not enough but I'll let it sit there for now. I don't anticipate buying anything now, for obvious reasons, so I'll sit tight. Meanwhile this thread will live, as there are awesome deals right now and even better deals in the future on slightly used cars even with the lower dollar.

[inspire]

If you can hold out buying a car right now ... wait until Jan-Feb ... usually the "slow" months for most dealerships. People are paying off their Christmas bills during this time and no one will have spare $$$ to buy a car.

I can almost assure you dealerships will be begging for sales at that time. You can pick up a 2009 model for close to invoice (or even below), depending on the model and options. For instance, you're not going to find a Nissan GT-R for invoice. But if you're looking for a Dodge Ram or Ford F-150, I'm sure any dealer will cut you a huge deal!!

Secondly, many economists believe the CAD$ is being oversold right now (just like when C$1 = US$1.10 had our CAD$ being way overbought). Wait for equilibrium to take place ... most have our dollar to hover around 90 cents in the next few months. Be patient.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Exactly right. What people fail to realize is that the US market is doing very poorly when compared to the Canadian economy.

Read the reports in the news. Car sales in the US have virtually come to a standstill. They have stagnated. Many US dealers are liquidating their 2008 inventories are prices you would never get up here. Unless you live in a large market in Canada, most Canadian dealers don't have anywhere near the selection on hand. Plays right into the Canadian consumer's hands.

[giasone]

None of us are qualified to predict which direction the Canadian dollar is going to go in. Predicting currency fluctuations is a very difficult thing to do.

People are buying US dollars right now because they see it as a safe haven, they are also buying Japanese Yen.

Then we have the commodity prices dropping such as oil which is also impacting the Canadian dollar.

If this financial crisis continues then the US dollar will contiinue to get stronger and the oil will continue to drop, all the indicators are, is that this isn't over yet.

Nobody knows where the bottom of this stock free fall will be, it may not be over yet. Having money in the stock market right now is not a good idea.

[comet]

i am lookin to get a 05' Acura Tsx across the border, is it still worth it? how much duties/taxes will i be paying? Thanks.

[PMREdmonton]

i am lookin to get a 05' Acura Tsx across the border, is it still worth it? how much duties/taxes will i be paying? Thanks.

You will end up paying GST/PST, 6.1% duty, AC and tire tax and RIV fees.

[comet]

You will end up paying GST/PST, 6.1% duty, AC and tire tax and RIV fees.

okay the GST and PST is 13% right what about the tire tax and RIV feesÉ Thanks

[inspire]

okay the GST and PST is 13% right what about the tire tax and RIV feesÉ Thanks

Are you truly so lazy to not bother to read up on this topic? Have you even bothered to read the first post to this thread?

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=307601

1) Tire tax? Perhaps that is something that your province charges -- you never stated where you reside. If you are from GTA (Toronto) ... when are you ever charged with "tire tax" when you buy a new or used car? If so, you've been ripped off. Only pay a tire tax if you buy new tires (and have to dispose of your old tires).

2) RIV fee (http://www.riv.ca/english/html/how_to_import.html -- $195 + GST).

Please do not waste time of others and actually do some research on your own before asking the most basic question. It's very frustrating for people to bump this thread and ask simple questions without having done any research whatsoever.

Use the "search this thread" feature ... it may answer the questions you are asking.

PS You'll have to pay 6.1% import duty since the TSX is made in japan (ie not a NAFTA car). That 6.1% is added to the price of the car before you factor in GST and PST, so you will be paying (1.061 x 1.13) = 19.893% tax.

[PMREdmonton]

Are you truly so lazy to not bother to read up on this topic? Have you even bothered to read the first post to this thread?

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=307601

1) Tire tax? Perhaps that is something that your province charges -- you never stated where you reside. If you are from GTA (Toronto) ... when are you ever charged with "tire tax" when you buy a new or used car? If so, you've been ripped off. Only pay a tire tax if you buy new tires (and have to dispose of your old tires).

2) RIV fee (http://www.riv.ca/english/html/how_to_import.html -- $195 + GST).

Please do not waste time of others and actually do some research on your own before asking the most basic question. It's very frustrating for people to bump this thread and ask simple questions without having done any research whatsoever.

Use the "search this thread" feature ... it may answer the questions you are asking.

PS You'll have to pay 6.1% import duty since the TSX is made in japan (ie not a NAFTA car). That 6.1% is added to the price of the car before you factor in GST and PST, so you will be paying (1.061 x 1.13) = 19.893% tax.

I have heard the tire tax applies to importation of cars.

You are right in that there is currently a lawsuit ongoing regarding charging Cdns buying new cars in Canada the tire and ac tax. The manufacturers who charge you this are not giving the money to the government as the tax is really charge by the government on the manufacturer.

[Sergio]

Guys,

I just closed a deal for a MDX 2007 Nav/DVD 12,500 miles with a "Florida Rebuilt Title". I feel comfortable with seller:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotorsws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130260317908

What challenges do you guys see in me bringing this MDX into Canada?

Also for shipping, I estimated around 600$ to get it shipped at Champlain/NY USA border, let me if this is reasonable.

Here is my plan of action for import, it is a bit rough I will need some help from those who who have soem experience....

Get Recall letter from Honda/Acura www.ahm-ownerlink.com *done*
Send Recall letter to Canada customs???/ (help)
Get bill of sale to Champlain /+ certificate of origin to Champlain / NY US Border (should be easy, this is coming from seller)
Get certificate of origin to Champlain / NY Border US Side (need help here??)
Get temporary tag so I can drive car across
Get insurance before I drive car over
Get car verified at Canadian Tire so RIV folks can process RIV certification (I assume I have x days to do this)


Thanks in advance!
Sergio

[LoDown]

The slide the dollar is taking doesn't make this so attractive anymore. I was planning on buying an Outback XT from New Hampshire in November, guess I missed the window of opportunity.

Do the math. Still worth it big time for Outback XT.

[jed]

I have heard the tire tax applies to importation of cars.

You are right in that there is currently a lawsuit ongoing regarding charging Cdns buying new cars in Canada the tire and ac tax. The manufacturers who charge you this are not giving the money to the government as the tax is really charge by the government on the manufacturer.

Tire tax is only charged when buying a new vehicle in AB, or when buying new tires. Tax is gathered at dealer level and forwarded to AB gov't. Never once was it charged on anything used, cars or tires.

[sienna owner]

Guys,

I just closed a deal for a MDX 2007 Nav/DVD 12,500 miles with a "Florida Rebuilt Title". I feel comfortable with seller:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotorsws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130260317908

What challenges do you guys see in me bringing this MDX into Canada?

Also for shipping, I estimated around 600$ to get it shipped at Champlain/NY USA border, let me if this is reasonable.

Here is my plan of action for import, it is a bit rough I will need some help from those who who have soem experience....

Get Recall letter from Honda/Acura www.ahm-ownerlink.com *done*
Send Recall letter to Canada customs???/ (help)
Get bill of sale to Champlain /+ certificate of origin to Champlain / NY US Border (should be easy, this is coming from seller)
Get certificate of origin to Champlain / NY Border US Side (need help here??)
Get temporary tag so I can drive car across
Get insurance before I drive car over
Get car verified at Canadian Tire so RIV folks can process RIV certification (I assume I have x days to do this)


Thanks in advance!
Sergio


Sergio...the Recall Letter needs to be sent to RIV..not Canada Customs.
Regarding the Bill of Sale, that only has to be shown to Customs (probably both sides, but more important on the Cdn side where they want their $$..LOL)
Certificate of Origin..see if that border crossing will accept fax transmission...and make sure you keep your confirmation from the fax as proof that you did forward the proper docs in the required 72 hours timeline prior to exporting.
not sure about temp tags from NY state...
insurance is easy enough from your ins. company, but ensure that is in effect the moment/day that the car is signed over to you.
you have 45 days to get all your certification for RIV/transport canada.

good luck

[Sergio]

Sienna_Owner,

Thanks for pointers.

So, I send via email or fax recall letter to RIV, I guess this must be done 72hrs before I export.

As for bill of sale, no brainer to get that faxed at customs, 72hrs in advance

As for Certificate of Origin, how will I get that doc???? The freakin car has a made in Canada stamp, isn't that good enough?????

Lastly, I will try and get a temp tag from Quebec side.

Thanks again!
Sergio

[Gentile]

Do the math. Still worth it big time for Outback XT.


New, yes. Not what I'm in the market for though. There is much less of a difference on an 05-06 model. I will still buy US if there is a savings of course, just saying it isn't nearly as attractive in my situation.

[Sergio]

Guys, the mdx has a Salvage/Rebuildable title, and I found out I cannot bring it over to Canada, is this true??????? This car has been running for 1yr in the USA without any problems.

Please let me know...
Sergio

[michelb]

Guys, the mdx has a Salvage/Rebuildable title, and I found out I cannot bring it over to Canada, is this true??????? This car has been running for 1yr in the USA without any problems.

Please let me know...
Sergio

This depends on the province so you'll have to check with yours. Salvage titles are a real pain - in Ontario, I've heard that if it's already been rebuilt AND has a 'rebuilt' branded title it's pretty much the same as any other car but a 'salvage/rebuildable' is a lot more work. If the car has a 'salvage/rebuildable' title and has already been repaired, unless you tons of documentation you will likely not be able to bring it in (actually you can import it but you will not be able to register it for road use in Ontario - they require before/after pictures and very thorough inspections, full parts list for the repairs, etc before they will re-certify for road use). If you are looking at 'branded' vehicles, it's also important to note that I don't think vehicles marked 'junk/parts only' (or even possibly flooded) can be put back on the road in Ontario so you have to be very careful when you buy these.

As far as your other questions, Champlain POE does not accept faxes so you have to get the original title (this is a used vehicle so you will not get a certificate of origin) FedEx over to them. (The certificate of origin isn't to tell where the car is made (they know that from the VIN) it's your ownership when you first buy it, before it's titled). The recall letter doesn't need to be done when you import and you have 45 days to get that done.

[ListPrivate]

Ppl are still importing vehicles with the dollar down to $0.83?

I figure with the exchange, buying locally would work out to be the same, especially lower end vehicles.

[Gentile]

Guys, the mdx has a Salvage/Rebuildable title, and I found out I cannot bring it over to Canada, is this true??????? This car has been running for 1yr in the USA without any problems.

Please let me know...
Sergio

I brought back a motorcycle last year and had no problems registering it in Nova Scotia with a salvage title on it. I just had to have a certificate of mechanical fitness filled out when I got the MVI and bring it when registering the vehicle.

[michelb]

I brought back a motorcycle last year and had no problems registering it in Nova Scotia with a salvage title on it. I just had to have a certificate of mechanical fitness filled out when I got the MVI and bring it when registering the vehicle.

As mentioned above, this depends on the province (i.e. in Ontario a branded motorcycle can never be made road-worthy). Here's a bit more info specific to Ontario http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/branding/faq.htm#vehicle13b. Of interest to the person asking about the MDX, a 'flood' branded vehicle can also never be made road-worthy in Ontario and can only be used as 'parts-only'.

[Sergio]

michelb,

Just called TransportCanada, RIV, + SAAQ (Quebec DMV), and I only need green light from RIV since SAAQ are ok with RIV verification.

I want an official ok from RIV so I can put 350$ deposit on MDX.

I also attached report, what a history, a bit of risk for me :)

Here is report:
02/12/2007
NEW YORK, NY
REGISTRATION
EVENT/RENEWAL

07/23/2007 NY 55
TITLE
SALVAGE

07/24/2007 CLEARWATER, FL 1,505
TITLE (Title #:0098825395)
REBUILT/REBUILDABLE
WATER DAMAGE

09/14/2007 FL 1,550
ODOMETER READING FROM
DMV

09/14/2007
SAINT PETERSBURG, FL
REGISTRATION
EVENT/RENEWAL
REBUILT/REBUILDABLE
WATER DAMAGE

11/14/2007
SAINT PETERSBURG, FL
TITLE (Title #:0098825395)
REBUILT/REBUILDABLE
WATER DAMAGE


Take care..
Sergio

[Anonymouse]

Sergio, you may already know this, but any kind of water damage sufficient to earn a salvage title is likely to rear its head as wiring and corrosion issues that may be impossible to cost-effectively remedy. Most people walk away from these things, maybe you should, too. There is no way that car simply had its window open in the rain; you don't get a salvage title for that.

There should be all kinds of deals for SUVs like that in the States; they are not moving at all down there. You may want to look a little harder, like on carmax.com and such.

[vipt2000]

Sergio, you may already know this, but any kind of water damage sufficient to earn a salvage title is likely to rear its head as wiring and corrosion issues that may be impossible to cost-effectively remedy. Most people walk away from these things, maybe you should, too. There is no way that car simply had its window open in the rain; you don't get a salvage title for that.

There should be all kinds of deals for SUVs like that in the States; they are not moving at all down there. You may want to look a little harder, like on carmax.com and such.

Sergio: wow you are very brave. Buying a flood car. I am even hesitated to buy a rental vehicle let alone buying car that branded rebuilt/salvage.

[michelb]

michelb,

Just called TransportCanada, RIV, + SAAQ (Quebec DMV), and I only need green light from RIV since SAAQ are ok with RIV verification.

I want an official ok from RIV so I can put 350$ deposit on MDX.

I also attached report, what a history, a bit of risk for me :)

Here is report:
02/12/2007
NEW YORK, NY
REGISTRATION
EVENT/RENEWAL

07/23/2007 NY 55
TITLE
SALVAGE

07/24/2007 CLEARWATER, FL 1,505
TITLE (Title #:0098825395)
REBUILT/REBUILDABLE
WATER DAMAGE

09/14/2007 FL 1,550
ODOMETER READING FROM
DMV

09/14/2007
SAINT PETERSBURG, FL
REGISTRATION
EVENT/RENEWAL
REBUILT/REBUILDABLE
WATER DAMAGE

11/14/2007
SAINT PETERSBURG, FL
TITLE (Title #:0098825395)
REBUILT/REBUILDABLE
WATER DAMAGE


Take care..
Sergio

You need to confirm what the actual title is. Is that the information from CarFax or is that the information you got from the DMV? I've noticed that CarFax will list some titles as 'rebuildable' that AutoCheck reports as 'junk/parts only' (a 'junk' title can never be fixed for the road) (I have no idea which is correct and which isn't, I just noticed that the two don't always report salvage titles the same).

If it's 'rebuilt', you are probably ok in Quebec (although you may still have some problems down the line (e.g. if you ever move to Ontario, you would not be able to bring the vehicle with you (Ontario will not register flooded vehicles as rebuilt)). If it's a 'rebuildable' title then you will likely not be able to drive it in Quebec since you probably won't have the proper history on the repairs (and from experience with the 'regular' automobile inspections in Quebec, you could end up spending a lot of money on a more detailed 'rebuild' inspection there).

Anyway, if you want more info on licensing a salvage vehicle in Quebec, look here: http://www.saaq.gouv.qc.ca/publications/immatriculation/reconst_accident_an.pdf. They of interest is this article http://www.saaq.gouv.qc.ca/en/vehicle_registration/vehicle_flood.php. It's not quite clear what if affects but it does talk about the Hurricane Katrina and Rita and later say that 'For the SAAQ, all vehicles damaged by those floods and hurricanes in the United States will be automatically given the status of severely damaged ("gravement accidenté"), and cannot be licensed for use on the road until they have been certified as complying with safety standards in Québec'. It's just not clear to me if 'those' means only vehicles from Katrina and Rita or it's any flood or hurricane damaged vehicle.

As others have mentioned, I would certainly be hesitant buying a flood vehicle from a coastal state since as bad as flooding is, salt-water flooding is way worse (personally I don't really believe that the insurance would write off the vehicle because the window was left open ... they write off vehicles when the cost of repairs is too high compared to the replacement cost)

As far as the SAAQ telling that they are 'ok with the RIV' inspection, I am also pretty suspicious of that since any used vehicle you import (or simply buy in Quebec) still has to undergo a safety inspection before you can register it. The RIV inspection is only with regards to meeting Canadian standards and has nothing to do with actually registering the vehicle for road use ... I suspect that whoever you spoke to did not understand your question clearly. Make sure they know that the vehicle has a salvage 'rebuilt' or 'rebuildable' title (whatever the case maybe be) and has been branded as 'flooded'.

[Sergio]

michelb,

Thanks for all the details and tips. The info above comes from autocheck.

I just got more details:

The car was flooded in NY (no salt water) and not in Florida. Owner is from Florida and has been driving car for 12+ months without any problems.

The Certificate of Title has the following date:
Primary Brand: FLOOD DAMAGED
Secondary Brand: REBUILT

The SAAQ / Quebec folks do not have to do a safety inspection because the status is REBUILT which confirms that it is in operation and already passed safety inspection in Florida.

I'm aware of risks on this, and I'm gambling some of my money on this one. So far, my due diligence on seller and seller's history is making me move forward on purchase.

So, how do I do transaction? He sends me original title 1st, then pay????

Stay tuned....
Sergio

[DLFB]

small question:

How old can a used car be brought to Canada?

[cinqhoda]

small question:

How old can a used car be brought to Canada?

Age is not a determining factor on what is or is not admissible.

[DLFB]

Age is not a determining factor on what is or is not admissible.

thanks. I was just double checking because I read somewhere its 1-2 years. I guess that was false then.

[Anonymouse]

Age is not a determining factor on what is or is not admissible.

Well, some cars that are otherwise inadmissable become admissable after they're 15 years old, so age is a factor.

[ottofly]

michelb,

Thanks for all the details and tips. The info above comes from autocheck.

I just got more details:

The car was flooded in NY (no salt water) and not in Florida. Owner is from Florida and has been driving car for 12+ months without any problems.

The Certificate of Title has the following date:
Primary Brand: FLOOD DAMAGED
Secondary Brand: REBUILT

The SAAQ / Quebec folks do not have to do a safety inspection because the status is REBUILT which confirms that it is in operation and already passed safety inspection in Florida.

I'm aware of risks on this, and I'm gambling some of my money on this one. So far, my due diligence on seller and seller's history is making me move forward on purchase.

So, how do I do transaction? He sends me original title 1st, then pay????

Stay tuned....
Sergio


Sergio, with all due respect, I think you're insane. It sounds like this is your first maybe second car and you're in your 20's.

Why would you take this insane risk of a flood damaged truck with a questionable title that you are not even sure will be allowed to be plated in the province? The MDX NAV is probably a very complicated car electronically. And don't forget warranty is void on all Honda's/Acura's by Honda Canada.
Just the LED display on my accord was $2000, and it broke down on it's own after 3 years.

Furthermore, the price on that link is not even that great! MDX's are all over the road in the US. You should be able to haggle this price on even the most pristine MDX.

Stop this insanity.

[michelb]

Sergio, with all due respect, I think you're insane. It sounds like this is your first maybe second car and you're in your 20's.

Why would you take this insane risk of a flood damaged truck with a questionable title that you are not even sure will be allowed to be plated in the province? The MDX NAV is probably a very complicated car electronically. And don't forget warranty is void on all Honda's/Acura's by Honda Canada.
Just the LED display on my accord was $2000, and it broke down on it's own after 3 years.

Furthermore, the price on that link is not even that great! MDX's are all over the road in the US. You should be able to haggle this price on even the most pristine MDX.

Stop this insanity.

I have to agree with Ottofly. Price is good if it's a mint condition vehicle - price is not good at all if it's a salvage title car. As far as the warranty, cause it's Honda/Acura, it's void in Canada but it was also void in the US the minute it got a salvage title.

The car was in bad enough shape that the insurance company decided that it wasn't worth fixing yet you are buying it sight unseen based on a few pictures ?!?

You say that it was flooded in NY but looking at the dates, it does not appear that way; from the dates you listed, on 7/23 it was branded 'salvage' in NY and on 7/24 it was branded 'rebuilt/rebuildable/flood' in Florida. That probably means that the car was already in Florida when it was flooded - the insurance wrote it off (hence salvage title in NY) and then FL branded it 'rebuilt/rebuildable/flood' upon assessment there. It might not be salt water but as far as I can tell flood is either bad (fresh water) or really bad (salt water).

As far as registering in Quebec, you really need to confirm what you need to do; you say 'The SAAQ / Quebec folks do not have to do a safety inspection because the status is REBUILT which confirms that it is in operation and already passed safety inspection in Florida.' but that does not make any sense; ANY CAR registered in Quebec needs to get a safety inspection - the question is just how thorough the inspection needs to be ... if they accept the flood / rebuilt title, then it's just a regular safety inspection, if they don't then you have to get a very thorough inspection done (and possibly still won't be able to register it if it's like Ontario).

[mangoman]

What they both said! :arrowu: For this price it's just not worth it Sergio! I can't see an insurance co. writing off a vehicle as a "flood" vehicle just because of the window being left open. Ain't Florida quite the hurricane alley?

Just think if for some reason you have to sell it in the near future too, you're going to have such a hard time when the seller sees the history (or you'll have to take a big hit in your asking price).

One more thing - check with your Insurance co. to make sure they'll actually insure the vehicle!
http://commerce.senate.gov/pdf/shahan111605.pdf


Check out walmart.oodle.com (http://walmart.oodle.com) for lots more selection out there.

[mangoman]

Actually, after reading this, I partially take back my comment about insurance companies and their write-off practices. But still doesn't seem worth the risk (and again check that your own insurance co. will insure you).

"Many times, batches of weather damaged vehicles have been declared total losses even though the insurance adjustor did not take the time to go out and inspect each vehicle in detail. When this happens, some of the cars will have only minor damage and can be easily restored to perfect condtion.

For example, a new-car dealer may have had 400 cars flooded or damaged in a hail storm. The adjustor can't inspect all the cars but knows that at least 75% of the cars have serious damage and declares them all as total losses. This means that as many as 100 of the cars may have little or no damage, and can easily be cleaned up and resold as salvage vehicles. Since the insurance company owns the vehicles after claims have been paid, the company can auction off the vehicles, or resell them to the same, or another, dealer."

http://www.leaseguide.com/articles/damagedcars.htm

[james-007]

I imported my 3rd vehicle yesterday. I tell you what an experience that was... customs officer thought I was lying about the purchase price to void taxes full taxes. I purchased was 2007 VW Jetta Wolfsburg Edition through private sale with 12345 miles and I paid about $1000 less than what kbb.com was suggesting. Why would I lie over $50 in GST? They kept me there for over hour and half trying to get me to admit but I kept telling her I have nothing to hide and I have the paper trail in my email. All I needed was access to internet and she could see it all. I had a printout of notarized agreement with pickup date and price on me and she still didn't believe me. Anyways to make to long story short in the end I paid taxes on the purchase price but what a hassle. This is what I learned from this experience...

When importing a vehicle take with you...

Print of the ad and all the email conversations. Printout of wired money or bank account statements.

[michelb]

I imported my 3rd vehicle yesterday. I tell you what an experience that was... customs officer thought I was lying about the purchase price to void taxes full taxes. I purchased was 2007 VW Jetta Wolfsburg Edition through private sale with 12345 miles and I paid about $1000 less than what kbb.com was suggesting. Why would I lie over $50 in GST? They kept me there for over hour and half trying to get me to admit but I kept telling her I have nothing to hide and I have the paper trail in my email. All I needed was access to internet and she could see it all. I had a printout of notarized agreement with pickup date and price on me and she still didn't believe me. Anyways to make to long story short in the end I paid taxes on the purchase price but what a hassle. This is what I learned from this experience...

When importing a vehicle take with you...

Print of the ad and all the email conversations. Printout of wired money or bank account statements.

I had the same problem about 1 month ago when I imported a boat through Cornwall/Massena POE. I had the signed bill of sale and I told them to look at the ebay auction (which they said they did) but they still wouldn't believe me !!! They kept going over the boat (at one point they had 3 guys in there) - not sure what they were expecting to find but after about 1 hour, they let me go to ...

It was actually really annoying but what can you do ?!?

[Sergio]

Guys,

Thanks for all the comments. One thing that I will do is get car fully inspected before it gets shipped to Champlain / NY border.

I agree that there is a risk and I understand why most people would not touch this vehicle. The inspection report (my cost, my source), will help me make my final decision.

I will keep you all posted if this deal goes south or north :)

I just got a verbal confirmation from RIV that a FLOOD DAMAGED/REBUILT title will pass at border.

Take care...
Sergio

[michelb]

...

I just got a verbal confirmation from RIV that a FLOOD DAMAGED/REBUILT title will pass at border.

Take care...
Sergio

The RIV and the borden aren't the problem (all they care is that the vehicle meets Canadian regulations). You need to make sure that SAAQ will let you register the vehicle for road use (as mentioned, Ontario Ministry of Transport would not). You need to confirm exactly what they will require you to do with a flood/rebuilt (Ontario does not accept flooded vehicles and require you to do a full re-inspection of rebuilt vehicles). You can also simply call one of the Quebec provincial inspection centers - they may be able to tell you.

Good luck.

[kevin01]

2007 Acura MDX 3000 miles
$36500
Plus GST and PST

The dealer is in Canada, but I have no idea if acura warranty from the US is covered in Canada. Anyone know?

[Anonymouse]

2007 Acura MDX 3000 miles
$36500
Plus GST and PST

The dealer is in Canada, but I have no idea if acura warranty from the US is covered in Canada. Anyone know?

In general, Honda/Acura warranties are void in both countries if you import the vehicles to Canada. Whether warranty would be valid on a vehicle you buy from a Canadian dealer is something you should call Acura Canada about.

[dracore]

2007 Acura MDX 3000 miles
$36500
Plus GST and PST

The dealer is in Canada, but I have no idea if acura warranty from the US is covered in Canada. Anyone know?

?? But the dealer is in Canada so you have Canadian warranty.

[michelb]

?? But the dealer is in Canada so you have Canadian warranty.

What difference does that make? If a used car dealer in Canada is selling a car, it doesn't automatically have a manufacturer's warranty.

If it's a US Honda/Acura in Canada, there is no warranty unless you are the original owner in the US and can show that were moved to Canada (or something like that).

[jacky76]

In general, Honda/Acura warranties are void in both countries if you import the vehicles to Canada. Whether warranty would be valid on a vehicle you buy from a Canadian dealer is something you should call Acura Canada about.

ACURA-HONDA

probably you have to buy a 3rd party warranty isntead.

[Sergio]

Kevin,

Not sure what the config of MDX is at $36.5k is but the one I got on Ebay has quite a few options:
. Entertainment Package
. Tech Package
. Leather Trim
. Trailer Hitch
. Cross bar

In Canada, with all options as above brand new it would cost me about 60k cad+taxes. In USA, the same would cost me about 48k usd+taxes.

Take care...
Sergio

2007 Acura MDX 3000 miles
$36500
Plus GST and PST

The dealer is in Canada, but I have no idea if acura warranty from the US is covered in Canada. Anyone know?

[rjmbc]

Kevin,

Not sure what the config of MDX is at $36.5k is but the one I got on Ebay has quite a few options:
. Entertainment Package
. Tech Package
. Leather Trim
. Trailer Hitch
. Cross bar

In Canada, with all options as above brand new it would cost me about 60k cad+taxes. In USA, the same would cost me about 48k usd+taxes.

Take care...
Sergio

I don't know where you are getting the US prices but I just brought in a new MDX fitting this description for $39,400 US from Oregon

[Sergio]

I got quote from acura.com, your 39k is a very good deal if it includes the tech and entertainment options.

Here are the USA prices from acura.com:
2009 MDX Starts at $40,790
2009 MDX with Technology Package Starts at $44,840
2009 MDX with Technology and Entertainment Packages Starts at $46,590
2009 MDX with Sport Package Starts at $46,940
2009 MDX with Sport and Entertainment Packages Starts at $48,690

My config is the Tech + Entertainment + Leather Trim (dbl stitch) + crossbar + trailer hitch

Sergio

I don't know where you are getting the US prices but I just brought in a new MDX fitting this description for $39,400 US from Oregon

[Marzipan]

There should be all kinds of deals for SUVs like that in the States; they are not moving at all down there. You may want to look a little harder, like on carmax.com and such.

Keep in mind that Carmax wont sell to non-residents of USA.

[shopper-X]

Keep in mind that Carmax wont sell to non-residents of USA.

With the current US economy they should really change that rule, in fact even the Manufactures should change it. They are hurting for sales and you need a next to perfect credit score just to get a car loan in the US.

If a Canadian with CASH wants to buy a car lift the embargo, it just makes sense.

[nguyentri]

Watch the post count increase, despite the same info being recycled over and over. This manipulated US $ rise is OVER. Therefore, be prepared for an ugly fall for some time. It will fall below .7100 USDX on its way to .6200, then later further down to .5000 to .5300 USDX within three years.

Giddy up. We Canadians will be laughing within a year. This low will be forgotten. Be patient.

Ummm.... what??
It's now one month later and the US dollar has not stopped rising against CDN (and pretty much all other currencies).

[starR]

These are MSRP prices you are quoting, however you can get them for much less at the dealers in the US. When i called around, i had a few telling me i could get a NEW 2008 MDX tech for about ~$37K. I think the lowest quote i got was around $36,400 - this was without any negotiation. So $39K seems right in line for TECH and ENT.



I got quote from acura.com, your 39k is a very good deal if it includes the tech and entertainment options.

Here are the USA prices from acura.com:
2009 MDX Starts at $40,790
2009 MDX with Technology Package Starts at $44,840
2009 MDX with Technology and Entertainment Packages Starts at $46,590
2009 MDX with Sport Package Starts at $46,940
2009 MDX with Sport and Entertainment Packages Starts at $48,690

My config is the Tech + Entertainment + Leather Trim (dbl stitch) + crossbar + trailer hitch

Sergio

[trini_2_d_bone]

Carmax do sell to Canadians, but you'll have to pay the local taxes.
I priced a 2007 MDX touring for 23,500.00 at Carmax in Coral Springs. The sales person was willing to sell to me but I had to pay the 6% Florida sales tax.

[trini_2_d_bone]

Carmax do sell to Canadians, but you'll have to pay the local taxes.
I priced a 2007 MDX touring for 23,500.00 at Carmax. The sales person was willing to sell to me but I had to pay the 6% Florida sales tax.
I ended up purchasing a 2007 Lexus GS470 for $26000.00 at a local dealer.

[Kamloops]

Took them long enough to respond to me!

Dear Mr. Mike:

I am writing in response to your correspondence regarding the importation of BMWs into Canada from the United States. The Honourable Lawrence Cannon, Minister of Transport, Infrastructure and Communities, has asked me to reply on his behalf. Please accept my apologies for the delay in replying.

By way of background, I should first mention that the Motor Vehicle Safety Act (MVSA), in effect since 1971, regulates the manufacture and importation of motor vehicles and motor vehicle equipment to reduce the risk of death and injury and damage to property and the environment.

The MVSA requires that all vehicles imported into Canada comply with the Canada Motor Vehicle Safety Regulations and associated Canada Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (CMVSSs). However, subsection 7(2) of the MVSA provides an exception whereby vehicles purchased in the United States that are not in full compliance with the CMVSSs may be imported into Canada, provided the vehicles were originally manufactured to comply with all applicable U.S. federal safety standards and provided they can be modified to comply with the CMVSSs. Once modified, the vehicles must be inspected by a designated authority of Transport Canada. In 1995, Transport Canada contracted with a private company to establish the Registrar of Imported Vehicles (RIV) program to develop and operate a system of inspection and certification of vehicles imported from the United States.

As a convenience to both importers and manufacturers, the RIV posts a List of Vehicles Admissible from the United States on its website at www.riv.ca <http://www.riv.ca>. The list includes many newer model-year vehicles that are admissible for importation. It is the manufacturers’ responsibility to certify that vehicles comply with Canadian safety standards or to certify that vehicles can be modified to meet these standards. The manufacturers are also responsible for providing and updating the admissibility information. I should emphasize that the list is not mandated by law; rather, it is an administrative tool meant to assist in the processing of imported vehicles. Although manufacturers are not obligated to submit admissibility information, most do so voluntarily, since otherwise, they would have to deal with importers on an individual basis.

Manufacturers of U.S. vehicles are not legally obligated to respond to Transport Canada’s requests for vehicle information, including outstanding recalls. Neither Transport Canada nor the RIV has access to, or the authority to compel the release of, manufacturer
information relating to vehicles manufactured and intended for sale in the U.S. market. The information in the department’s database relates only to vehicles produced for the Canadian market and originally sold in Canada. In many instances, the Canadian company and the U.S. company are two separate entities and do not share information.

For a variety of reasons, some manufacturers have been reluctant to provide vehicle information to importers, the RIV and Transport Canada. This has delayed the importation of a number of vehicle models. There have also been reports of other obstacles to importation, including high fees and long wait times for the requisite recall clearance letter, voided warranties and onerous terms for the performance of modifications necessary to make a vehicle CMVSS compliant. In addition, prospective importers have reported that some companies have instructed their
U.S.-based dealers not to sell to Canadian customers.

These circumstances have given rise to critical comments. However, all of these issues pertain to company-specific policies. Where no contravention of the MVSA and/or Canadian safety standards exists, Transport Canada has no authority to dictate the ways in which manufacturers choose to operate their businesses. The MVSA only requires that vehicles imported from the United States comply with the applicable Canadian safety standards. The Act does not mandate matters related to the purchase and ownership of a motor vehicle, including vehicle pricing, attendant fees and warranties. It remains the manufacturers’ prerogative to market and support their products. Consumers are encouraged to contact a manufacturer directly to register concerns or request details and clarifications related to that company’s business policies.

Following recent amendments to the CMVSSs and MVSRs, the safety regimes in Canada and the United States are so similar that very few vehicle models cannot be imported, while even fewer require some level of modification for the purpose of importation. In December 2007, Transport Canada amended section 12 of the MVSRs regarding electronic anti-theft immobilizers to facilitate the importation of vehicles sold at the retail level in the United States. The amendment allows additional flexibility for vehicles imported into Canada, while continuing to promote the installation of theft-protection systems in Canadian vehicles. For more information on the amendment, please consult the department’s News Release online at the following address:

www.tc.gc.ca/mediaroom/releases/nat/2007/07-h245e.htm.

On June 12, 2008, the Government of Canada also amended the Canadian bumper standard, contained in section 215 of the MVSRs, which now provides manufacturers with the option of meeting the European safety requirements or the safety and no damage provisions of the United States. Full details of the amendment are found in document SOR/DORS/2008-199, which may be viewed on the Canada Gazette website at the following address:

http://canadagazette.gc.ca/partII/2008/20080625/pdf/g2-14213.pdf

With this amendment, many vehicles are now admissible and listed. Therefore, an admissibility letter is no longer necessary. These amendments are consistent with the goal of the Canada-U.S. Security and Prosperity Partnership to reduce regulatory differences and facilitate international trade between the two countries while maintaining high levels of safety. It should be noted that the Competition Bureau has assessed complaints regarding BMW and has concluded that the matter does not warrant further examination. Concerns regarding extraneous vehicle costs would be best addressed to Industry Canada’s Office of Consumer Affairs or to the appropriate provincial/territorial ministry of consumer affairs. Any concern regarding alleged barriers to free trade under NAFTA should be addressed to International Trade Canada.

I trust that the foregoing has clarified the Minister’s position with respect to this matter.

Yours truly,


Andrew Walasek
Senior Special Assistant

[dracore]

Carmax do sell to Canadians, but you'll have to pay the local taxes.
I priced a 2007 MDX touring for 23,500.00 at Carmax. The sales person was willing to sell to me but I had to pay the 6% Florida sales tax.
I ended up purchasing a 2007 Lexus GS470 for $26000.00 at a local dealer.

I thought you only had to pay the 6% sales tax if you drive it off the dealer lot? So if instead you had it shipped then maybe the tax could have been avoided?

[trini_2_d_bone]

I'm driving back to Canada.

[trini_2_d_bone]

For anyone interested - shipping a SUV from Florida range in cost from $900.00 - 1300.00

[Homeo]

^^ So what does this mean to those of us who want to bring BMWs over the border?

No more paying $500 to get a recall clearance letter from BMW since it meets European standards which are acceptable in Canada?

As far as I know there were 2 letters required by BMW
1) Letter of admissibility
2) Recall Clearance Letter

has anything changed?

[Anonymouse]

Ummm.... what??
It's now one month later and the US dollar has not stopped rising against CDN (and pretty much all other currencies).

This has been a phenomenon of the last 2 weeks, and is likely transient given the level of borrowing and budget deficits in the US. Be patient.

[mangoman]

If oil prices stay down for the next while, I would expect the Cdn dollar to stay in this range or drop a bit more as the Bank of Canada is set to lower interest rates yet again. You're going to have to be plenty patient if that happens.

This has been a phenomenon of the last 2 weeks, and is likely transient given the level of borrowing and budget deficits in the US. Be patient.

[Marzipan]

Carmax do sell to Canadians, but you'll have to pay the local taxes.


In a letter to me on April 4, 2008, a Carmax Senior Vice President wrote:

" .... at this time, we cannot export vehicles or sell vehicles to consumers that we know are intended for export."

[dubr]

UPDATE:
Per this thread: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=160460
You do NOT need #1, #2 below

Hi everyone,
After spending a couple of hours reading various posts, I wanted to recap various costs on importing a BMW e90 into Canada:

As of Oct, 17 of 2008:
1. $350 admissibility letter
2. Per post #11116 of this thread, the Canadian BMW dealer will charge:
software update : two hours of labour charge
cluster replacement : $1251 (approx)
conversion coding for DRL: one hour labour charge
3. 6.1% duty (as they are not made in USA, Canada, Mexico)

My understanding is that a $500 Recall Clearance Letter is no longer needed.

Questions:
What other fees would an importer have to pay?
Is their a way to reduce the costs by making the required mods at the US dealer? Which modes are required to legally import the car and which mods are required for BMW Canada to let you keep the warranty?

Thanks a lot for your input.

[Anonymouse]

If oil prices stay down for the next while, I would expect the Cdn dollar to stay in this range or drop a bit more as the Bank of Canada is set to lower interest rates yet again. You're going to have to be plenty patient if that happens.

I wouldn't worry too much about the price of oil. Oil is only about $73 billion a year (=2.5e6 barrels/day * $80/barrel * 365 days) and is about 7% of our economy. The economists I'm reading are predicting a $0.95 Canadian dollar within months.

[Lonewolf1]

Hi,

Does anyone have the name of an Audi dealer located in the North East (north of Boston) willing to sell to Canadians? I am looking for an A4 Premium Plus model. So far I have contacted two and they have both said they cannot / will not sell to Canadians. PM me if you like.

Thanks for any help

[giasone]

Yes like the forecaster can predict currency movements, good luck with that one! Nobody knows which way the dollar going but it is closely tied with oil.

[careener]

Oil is going to keep dropping so I'm expecting the CAN$ to follow suit even though Canada's banks are rated best in the world right now.

[jgmaull]

While i think it is still worth it for many people to buy a new car in the USA, for people like myself, who were looking at slightly used ( about a year old), it is really not worth it anymore with the state our dollar is in. I was looking at a few different models and consistently between them it would have been worth it for me if the dollar was still at around $.95, but at $.80, that adds and extra $1500 for every $10,000, which kills the deal. I have been seeing much better deals on sightly used cars up here --- or at least what I have been looking at ( crossover vehicles)

[jed]

For anyone interested - shipping a SUV from Florida range in cost from $900.00 - 1300.00

Who'd you get the quotes from to compare the pricing?

[mangoman]

Oh - while I agree that oil is not what makes up the major part of our economy, the markets (and the PM) treat it as if it was, so the Cdn dollar is now tied to the price of oil. I actually prefer it in this range because it really does help a lot of businesses to be more competitive when selling to the US (I know it definitely helps our bottom-line at work as we deal in US dollars for the most part).

As one of the posters mentioned, it may kill the deal for folks who were looking at an average used car, but deals are still out there for folks looking at new and/or higher end cars.

I wouldn't worry too much about the price of oil. Oil is only about $73 billion a year (=2.5e6 barrels/day * $80/barrel * 365 days) and is about 7% of our economy. The economists I'm reading are predicting a $0.95 Canadian dollar within months.

[jeffy1]

I wouldn't worry too much about the price of oil. Oil is only about $73 billion a year (=2.5e6 barrels/day * $80/barrel * 365 days) and is about 7% of our economy. The economists I'm reading are predicting a $0.95 Canadian dollar within months.

For the Canadian dollar to climb 10 cents within a month will be unusual. Remember going up is slow but coming down is fast, the opposite of gasoline pricing. As long as interest rate starts to fall, so will the dollar.

[Anonymouse]

Oh - while I agree that oil is not what makes up the major part of our economy, the markets (and the PM) treat it as if it was, so the Cdn dollar is now tied to the price of oil.

Yah, the value of the dollar is certainly correlated with the price of oil. I think a better proxy is the Commodity Price Index.

For the Canadian dollar to climb 10 cents within a month will be unusual. Remember going up is slow but coming down is fast, the opposite of gasoline pricing. As long as interest rate starts to fall, so will the dollar.

Shrug. With respect, I said "months" not "a month." Scotiabank, for example, is predicting a $0.95 dollar by September. On what basis, they don't say.

I think most people can put off buying a car that long, barring a catastrophe.

[Marzipan]

While i think it is still worth it for many people to buy a new car in the USA, for people like myself, who were looking at slightly used ( about a year old), it is really not worth it anymore with the state our dollar is in. I was looking at a few different models and consistently between them it would have been worth it for me if the dollar was still at around $.95, but at $.80, that adds and extra $1500 for every $10,000, which kills the deal. I have been seeing much better deals on sightly used cars up here --- or at least what I have been looking at ( crossover vehicles)

I have just imported a slightly used ( about a year old) vehicle and argue that with the sinking CAD the used car iis more attractive than the new car, though both are, of course, less attractive than before - i.e. the poor exchange rate is applied to the lower cost used vehicle. (Exchange rates for my deal ranged from 1.07 to 1.23 - the 1.07 was for the car.)

I'll post my experience in a few days when the RIV inspection is complete.

[ottofly]

Yah, the value of the dollar is certainly correlated with the price of oil. I think a better proxy is the Commodity Price Index.



Shrug. With respect, I said "months" not "a month." Scotiabank, for example, is predicting a $0.95 dollar by September. On what basis, they don't say.

I think most people can put off buying a car that long, barring a catastrophe.

I'm not sure what these economists you're quoting are smoking, but they obviously are not paying attention to what the market is doing. Many are totally oblivious of the fact that the US dollar is emerging once again as the de facto world currency after some competition from the Euro. The US dollar has destroyed every single world currency not pegged to it since July, some by 20-30%.

After what has happened with this crisis it's plainly obvious the US dollar is viewed as the safest place to be. US budget deficits and dollar printing is way overblown. Judging by the trillions that have flowed into US treasury's these past few months foreigners are more then happy to finance their bailouts and share buybacks. They were flooding into US treasury's that were yielding zero at one point last week, meaning investors were happy to get nothing in interest as long as their money was safe. China has added even more US treasury's recently.

If this continues, they won't need to print one single dollar. In 2000 the US dollar was overvalued and the EURO and many smaller currencies undervalued. After 8 years though, the opposite has happened with the EURO and some smaller currencies, our CDN dollar included, being severely overvalued and the US dollar being undervalued. The market is simply in the process of adjusting this. Where it stops and high it goes is hard to predict but one thing is for certain, we can kiss Canadian dollar parity goodbye for a while. We will trade in the 80's for quite some time, all in my opinion of course.

[Acuratl]

I'm not sure what these economists you're quoting are smoking, but they obviously are not paying attention to what the market is doing. Many are totally oblivious of the fact that the US dollar is emerging once again as the de facto world currency after some competition from the Euro. The US dollar has destroyed every single world currency not pegged to it since July, some by 20-30%.

After what has happened with this crisis it's plainly obvious the US dollar is viewed as the safest place to be. US budget deficits and dollar printing is way overblown. Judging by the trillions that have flowed into US treasury's these past few months foreigners are more then happy to finance their bailouts and share buybacks. They were flooding into US treasury's that were yielding zero at one point last week, meaning investors were happy to get nothing in interest as long as their money was safe. China has added even more US treasury's recently.

If this continues, they won't need to print one single dollar. In 2000 the US dollar was overvalued and the EURO and many smaller currencies undervalued. After 8 years though, the opposite has happened with the EURO and some smaller currencies, our CDN dollar included, being severely overvalued and the US dollar being undervalued. The market is simply in the process of adjusting this. Where it stops and high it goes is hard to predict but one thing is for certain, we can kiss Canadian dollar parity goodbye for a while. We will trade in the 80's for quite some time, all in my opinion of course.


IMO it will get quite worse we will hit 50-60 to the US dollar very soon and it'll maintain at that.

[Anonymouse]

After what has happened with this crisis it's plainly obvious the US dollar is viewed as the safest place to be. US budget deficits and dollar printing is way overblown.

That's right, the market will continue to be irrational. That whole business about current account deficit and the fact that the inscrutable Chinese hold paper worth 65% of the M1 money supply? Just mumbo jumbo by economists who have no idea what they're doing. Also, house prices will keep on rising at five times the rate of inflation.

The outlook in the short term for the USD is quite bullish, for the reasons you cite, but in the long term they're defying gravity. Interest rates will rise eventually, and that $10 trillion debt they have is going to become a real albatross.

[ottofly]

That's right, the market will continue to be irrational. That whole business about current account deficit and the fact that the inscrutable Chinese hold paper worth 65% of the M1 money supply? Just mumbo jumbo by economists who have no idea what they're doing. Also, house prices will keep on rising at five times the rate of inflation.

The outlook in the short term for the USD is quite bullish, for the reasons you cite, but in the long term they're defying gravity. Interest rates will rise eventually, and that $10 trillion debt they have is going to become a real albatross.


The debt could be 10 trillion, it could be 20 or 25 trillion. As long as they service that debt and pay their interest on it, foreigners will gladly help them finance it. The current account deficit is also well known. I'm pretty sure the US is good for the money. :) Again, the US economy represents 25% of world GDP. Nothing "inscrutable" about the Chinese and there 2 trillion dollars of US reserves. There is simply no where else for risk averse cash to go, fundamental or not.

The USD index has room to climb to just above 90 before it settles down so not that much more room left. The CAD dollar ran up above par simply because investors found a safer less volatile way to profit from high commodities prices. Now that the air is out of the balloon CDN parity is a pipe dream. Expect it to trade between 80-85 cents, which still makes certain models of cars cheaper in the US.

So lets just say we agree to disagree but hey, that's what makes a market. :)

[kergoz]

Boy am I glad I bought my Sienna in July..I paid 1.5 percent exchange rate then..now its like 21 percent..holy crap. I guess not too many Canadians are shopping south anymore.
The Canadian dollar shouldnt drop much below 75-80..even now its on the low side but the market is in turmoil now and a lot of crazy things happen. Our currency should be fundamentally stronger than the US currency but everyone is rushing to get US dollars now.

[giaotze]

We can probably call this deal expired :D
With the exchange rate today at 0.8, it's hard to justify buying across the board anymore... more bad news for the US car dealer

[Monsieurmaggot]

I just got an email from a RFDer who signed a deal on Monday for a new Subaru.

They paid $24,000 for a Legacy Limited.

Even with a 20% exchange rate the car is still $8000 cheaper than in Canada.

Personally anything less than $2k or so isn't worth the hassle but the savings are still there.

The selection is getting smaller that's all.

[mtseymourguy]

I'm not sure what these economists you're quoting are smoking, but they obviously are not paying attention to what the market is doing. Many are totally oblivious of the fact that the US dollar is emerging once again as the de facto world currency after some competition from the Euro. The US dollar has destroyed every single world currency not pegged to it since July, some by 20-30%.

After what has happened with this crisis it's plainly obvious the US dollar is viewed as the safest place to be. US budget deficits and dollar printing is way overblown. Judging by the trillions that have flowed into US treasury's these past few months foreigners are more then happy to finance their bailouts and share buybacks. They were flooding into US treasury's that were yielding zero at one point last week, meaning investors were happy to get nothing in interest as long as their money was safe. China has added even more US treasury's recently.

If this continues, they won't need to print one single dollar. In 2000 the US dollar was overvalued and the EURO and many smaller currencies undervalued. After 8 years though, the opposite has happened with the EURO and some smaller currencies, our CDN dollar included, being severely overvalued and the US dollar being undervalued. The market is simply in the process of adjusting this. Where it stops and high it goes is hard to predict but one thing is for certain, we can kiss Canadian dollar parity goodbye for a while. We will trade in the 80's for quite some time, all in my opinion of course.

the opinions of much smarter people are already reflected in the price of US and cdn dollar. it takes new information to change the value of a currency. predicting changes in the value of currency is predicting the future which is not possible.

[ly8606]

i have a question.
if CAD$ :arrowu: , dealer's car price :arrow: ,
then now CAD$ :arrowd: , will dealer's price :arrowu: ?

And thats the dealer's way to make $. CAD$ up and they take the benefit, CAD$ down but they count us on the loss.

[vipt2000]

IMO it will get quite worse we will hit 50-60 to the US dollar very soon and it'll maintain at that.

If we can predict the market that easy... I'll be very rich already.

No one can predict which way the market or the currency will sway.

[mtseymourguy]

if the US dollar has increased in value, shouldnt that force the price of cars to fall in US? or are the same number of US dollars chasing the cars so supply demand dictates the price stays the same?

[dealzuser]

if the US dollar has increased in value, shouldnt that force the price of cars to fall in US? or are the same number of US dollars chasing the cars so supply demand dictates the price stays the same?


When CAD increases, we want CDN dealers to DROP their price. When the USD decreases, we want US dealers to DROP their price. :)

[mplsv]

The market is comprised of the voices of many. Unfortunately, the voices of too many are ignorant and, soon to be confirmed, wrong.

Fundamentally, the US $ is dead. There is ZERO reason that will, for any significant period of time, hold the dollar at anywhere near an .80 USDX value. I repeat, ZERO reason. Idiocy, herd mentality, or any other objective measure is what is causing what you all have witnessed in the last few months.

I have the balls to say I was wrong in my earlier predictions in that the market did not reflect what I know to be right. For that, I apologize to those who took my words as gospel. But, at the same time, I stand behind everything I have stated as it should have come to pass that way. It has to be understood that concerted intervention can accomplish a lot when a crisis looms and you would be foolish to think that something would not be done to at least delay the inevitable ... and that inevitability is only being put off for another day in the near future. There are consequences for everything and the consequences to the events now presented, and slowly enlightening those who need perspective, will eventually come to pass.

I repeat, the US $ will fall below .71 USDX on its way to the low .50s USDX as there is NO way it should be valued as anything other than garbage ... gold is all that is left as the final arbiter of value. In time, you will all see this as FACT. It has happened with all the great empires in history, Great Britain most recently. No currency will escape gold's eventual domination despite relative gains and losses amongst others. But rest assured, the CDN dollar will return to well above par ... and no, I will not predict when that will happen exactly as I cannot predict the manipulation of large organizations nor the utter stupidity of the masses.

Please read the following ... you won't find this in your local paper or on CNBC ... educate yourselves and invest in your futures: http://market-ticker.org/archives/622-Fiscal-Cat-5-Hurricane-Warning.html

[Lost Horizon]

The market is comprised of the voices of many. Unfortunately, the voices of too many are ignorant and, soon to be confirmed, wrong. ... <clipped>

..NO way it should be valued as anything other than garbage ... gold is all that is left as the final arbiter of value. In time, you will all see this as FACT.

Maybe the final arbitrator in the 21st century is Oil, not gold. And, since the world's oil moves in US Petro dollars by default and insistence, does that play into the US$ worship.

<Caveat: I'm no economist, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night> :D

[Marzipan]

Here is a brief account of getting a pre-owned vehicle from Oklahoma to Yukon. Is this the record distance for an import at 5,000 km?

Searched the Internet for a specific used 2008 Chevy product for months, keeping a spreadsheet showing total cost to get it home and value of each vehicle that scored well. When one popped up in Oklahoma (with less than 200 mi.) it took 3 days to be satisfied with the vehicle, make an offer and get it accepted. I got the Carfax vehicle history and the GM vehicle inquiry printout showing no recalls outstanding before buying. (RIV also advise we get recall letter before buying.)

As per earlier post, wired the money in full via Vancouver Bullion and Currency Exchange at about 1.07 CAD per USD. When money was confirmed as received booked non-refundable flights 3 weeks in advance - 4 hops - $520. Asked dealer not to send me any documents except fax of bill of sale.

Got the Montana export worksheet off the Internet. Filled it out boldly. Faxed it to dealer and asked them to fax it with title (back and front) and bill of sale (not yet signed by me) to US Export office. A week later, checked with the export office to get confirmation of clearance to export.

Went to my friendly insurance agent and added this extra vehicle to coverage effective on day I would pick it up. Pink slip added to my wallet.

For licence plates in USA, OK law requires dealers to affix paper plate to all new and pre-owned vehicles - good for 30 days. (Included in $69 dealer's document fee.) For Canada, Yukon law permits us to take a plate from another vehicle along with the registration just to get home.

Salesman met me at airport. ( Mexican salesman had car heater on because it was only 70 deg F.) Vehicle looked fine so signed bill of sale, odometer declaration, and other places where clerk put an "X". Got the original "recall letter", which was printed out 3 weeks earlier. Had title clerk put dealer's stamp on it to make it look official. (Beware, RIV require letter to be no more than 30 days old.) Also got 3 copies of title (in dealer's name) and bill of sale (dealer to me).

Three days later at Sweetgrass, MT export process was uneventful. Officer did not want any copies - just checked that the original title jived with faxed version. Very little traffic - so had time to look for "Export Vehicle Parking" sign. At Canada Customs, agent filled out Form 1. Paid GST on value using 1.15 exchange rate. Got ripped off by not getting my $400 exemption for being out of Canada for 72 hours - miscommunication. One other importer was bringing in a Camry.

Pulled over at the weigh scales to put on my Yukon plate. Got out Owner's Manual to find out which buttons to push to switch from US to metric. Then off to encounter the madness of Calgary and Edmonton drivers.

Back home, sent RIV fee by Internet. Also faxed "recall letter". Minor glitch was that a few days later RIV "had not received or could not read" their copy of Form 1. (Border agent had tiny handwriting which may not have faxed clearly.) RIV helpfully invited me to fax Form 1. Next day they emailed me Form 2, the inspection form.

Canadian Tire did the inspection. One other vehicle also in for a RIV check. Seems their cut of the $195 RIV fee was $53.

Prior to buying used in the US, I asked local GM dealer for a price on the new vehicle but got the usual about very little marjin to work with. Also called GM Canada and pointed out there was a 10,000 CAD pricing difference after the only incentive - a gas card. Was there anything they could do? No!

One more call to GM Canada to clarify warranty status. It is: no warranty in Canada until vehicle has been in service for 12 months AND has 12,000 km on the odometer. The contact at GM recorded me as the owner of this vehicle in their system. Also she eagerly gave me the 800 number to buy a recall letter.

I won't attempt to tell you how many $$$ I saved. Here are the salient facts.

New from local dealer, with zero on odo and full warranty - taxes and all - MSRP before dealing - 31,300 CAD

Used from OK, back at my driveway, 5,500 km on the odo but restricted warranty - air fare, gas costs, 3 motels, RIV fee, taxes and all - 21,500 CAD.

[mangoman]

... I have the balls to say I was wrong in my earlier predictions in that the market did not reflect what I know to be right. For that, I apologize to those who took my words as gospel." ...

Hmm, it doesn't really take balls to acknowledge something that everyone already knows as FACT. We'd be impressed if you actually apologized for your rude and condescending posts that turned out to be inaccurate and quite misguided in their timelines instead.

"But rest assured, the CDN dollar will return to well above par ... and no, I will not predict when that will happen exactly as I cannot predict the manipulation of large organizations nor the utter stupidity of the masses. "

Hey didn't I tell you that it was just a prophechy/prediction/opinion on your part when it came to these timelines? On July 15th actually...

I gave you the "out" so that you could at least C.Y.A. when it came to your "bold" statements but instead you chose to show your foolish/confrontational side. Glad to see HUMILITY has at least taught you to step away from your former dayjob of predicting timelines. Most folks here were interested in buying something within the year (this was back in July) and the things you're hypothesizing about were maybe 1.5 yrs down the line (or should I say have no specified timeline now).

And yes I'm enjoying my US-bought used car which would have cost me 15-20% more had I waited until now (oil prices coming down actually caused the market price to drop by a couple of hundred).

Nobody's saying your points were invalid, however facts alone don't dictate markets and market sentiment (and once again, I'm no expert).

[growler]

The market is comprised of the voices of many. Unfortunately, the voices of too many are ignorant and, soon to be confirmed, wrong.

Fundamentally, the US $ is dead. There is ZERO reason that will, for any significant period of time, hold the dollar at anywhere near an .80 USDX value. I repeat, ZERO reason. Idiocy, herd mentality, or any other objective measure is what is causing what you all have witnessed in the last few months.

I have the balls to say I was wrong in my earlier predictions in that the market did not reflect what I know to be right. For that, I apologize to those who took my words as gospel. But, at the same time, I stand behind everything I have stated as it should have come to pass that way. It has to be understood that concerted intervention can accomplish a lot when a crisis looms and you would be foolish to think that something would not be done to at least delay the inevitable ... and that inevitability is only being put off for another day in the near future. There are consequences for everything and the consequences to the events now presented, and slowly enlightening those who need perspective, will eventually come to pass.

I repeat, the US $ will fall below .71 USDX on its way to the low .50s USDX as there is NO way it should be valued as anything other than garbage ... gold is all that is left as the final arbiter of value. In time, you will all see this as FACT. It has happened with all the great empires in history, Great Britain most recently. No currency will escape gold's eventual domination despite relative gains and losses amongst others. But rest assured, the CDN dollar will return to well above par ... and no, I will not predict when that will happen exactly as I cannot predict the manipulation of large organizations nor the utter stupidity of the masses.

Please read the following ... you won't find this in your local paper or on CNBC ... educate yourselves and invest in your futures: http://market-ticker.org/archives/622-Fiscal-Cat-5-Hurricane-Warning.html


Good link.

Here's what I heard why the USD is so high even though it looks like the USD will have deep economic trouble in the future. There are thousands of hedge funds that are in trouble. These hedge funds are based on USD. The banks concerned about the stock market in general are calling in the loans associated with hedge funds. So, what does the company that holds the hedge funds do? They need to gain possession of USD to pay the banks back. What this causes is an artificial (read temporary) demand for USD. So, USD rises. At some point, the loans will be paid off and the demand for USD should fall.

If you compare the currency value of the Canadian dollar, Euro, UK Pound, Australian Dollar, Korean Won, and the Russian Rouble you will see that these currencies are all taking a huge dive when compared to the USD. The one currency from a major economy that isn't taking a hit is the Japanese Yen. Why I'm not sure...

I *do not buy* the current Canadian media chatter that the reason why our CDN is doing so poorly is because we are a commodity selling nation. Yes, the commodity (oil/gas/minerals) prices have fallen and the prospects of selling commodities are gloomier for the next 2 or 3 years, but, that doesn't explain why the Euro, UK Pound, and Korean Won are down. Those countries associated with those currencies, their GDP is not based on the sale of commodities.

I'm keeping my USD in USD until the reversal occurs. When the reverse trend occurs, I'm converting my USD to CDN. And I agree with that article in that the US treasurey is printing out bills without backing up the value of the dollar. This will also devalue the USD.

Just my $0.02

Back on to topic...I'm kicking myself now for not purchasing a US based earlier this year, but, the opportunity to purchase will come up again in the future.

[rayq]

Hi, does any of you ever import a Corvette from US or have looking into the procedure to do that? My friend's boss is interested in getting a 2009 ZR1 from the States since there is no availability over here in Canada. He has contacted one of the dealers on the south side, they told him that a US resident with driver licence is required to purchase the car, then they can help to do the exporting/importing. He has no problem find a US friend/relative for that, but can any one help to explain how the procedure works?

Does the US resident purchase the car first, get it insured, register, then sell it back to him (right at the spot or few days later at the dealership)?

Thanks for all inputs.

[nikick]

Here is a brief account of getting a pre-owned vehicle from Oklahoma to Yukon. Is this the record distance for an import at 5,000 km?

Searched the Internet for a specific used 2008 Chevy product for months, keeping a spreadsheet showing total cost to get it home and value of each vehicle that scored well. When one popped up in Oklahoma (with less than 200 mi.) it took 3 days to be satisfied with the vehicle, make an offer and get it accepted. I got the Carfax vehicle history and the GM vehicle inquiry printout showing no recalls outstanding before buying. (RIV also advise we get recall letter before buying.)

As per earlier post, wired the money in full via Vancouver Bullion and Currency Exchange at about 1.07 CAD per USD. When money was confirmed as received booked non-refundable flights 3 weeks in advance - 4 hops - $520. Asked dealer not to send me any documents except fax of bill of sale.

Got the Montana export worksheet off the Internet. Filled it out boldly. Faxed it to dealer and asked them to fax it with title (back and front) and bill of sale (not yet signed by me) to US Export office. A week later, checked with the export office to get confirmation of clearance to export.

Went to my friendly insurance agent and added this extra vehicle to coverage effective on day I would pick it up. Pink slip added to my wallet.

For licence plates in USA, OK law requires dealers to affix paper plate to all new and pre-owned vehicles - good for 30 days. (Included in $69 dealer's document fee.) For Canada, Yukon law permits us to take a plate from another vehicle along with the registration just to get home.

Salesman met me at airport. ( Mexican salesman had car heater on because it was only 70 deg F.) Vehicle looked fine so signed bill of sale, odometer declaration, and other places where clerk put an "X". Got the original "recall letter", which was printed out 3 weeks earlier. Had title clerk put dealer's stamp on it to make it look official. (Beware, RIV require letter to be no more than 30 days old.) Also got 3 copies of title (in dealer's name) and bill of sale (dealer to me).

Three days later at Sweetgrass, MT export process was uneventful. Officer did not want any copies - just checked that the original title jived with faxed version. Very little traffic - so had time to look for "Export Vehicle Parking" sign. At Canada Customs, agent filled out Form 1. Paid GST on value using 1.15 exchange rate. Got ripped off by not getting my $400 exemption for being out of Canada for 72 hours - miscommunication. One other importer was bringing in a Camry.

Pulled over at the weigh scales to put on my Yukon plate. Got out Owner's Manual to find out which buttons to push to switch from US to metric. Then off to encounter the madness of Calgary and Edmonton drivers.

Back home, sent RIV fee by Internet. Also faxed "recall letter". Minor glitch was that a few days later RIV "had not received or could not read" their copy of Form 1. (Border agent had tiny handwriting which may not have faxed clearly.) RIV helpfully invited me to fax Form 1. Next day they emailed me Form 2, the inspection form.

Canadian Tire did the inspection. One other vehicle also in for a RIV check. Seems their cut of the $195 RIV fee was $53.

Prior to buying used in the US, I asked local GM dealer for a price on the new vehicle but got the usual about very little marjin to work with. Also called GM Canada and pointed out there was a 10,000 CAD pricing difference after the only incentive - a gas card. Was there anything they could do? No!

One more call to GM Canada to clarify warranty status. It is: no warranty in Canada until vehicle has been in service for 12 months AND has 12,000 km on the odometer. The contact at GM recorded me as the owner of this vehicle in their system. Also she eagerly gave me the 800 number to buy a recall letter.

I won't attempt to tell you how many $$$ I saved. Here are the salient facts.

New from local dealer, with zero on odo and full warranty - taxes and all - MSRP before dealing - 31,300 CAD

Used from OK, back at my driveway, 5,500 km on the odo but restricted warranty - air fare, gas costs, 3 motels, RIV fee, taxes and all - 21,500 CAD.


Congrats! Another happy RFDer!

[Lost Horizon]

Over 3,000,000 views.. who'd have thought..

[jed]

Hi, does any of you ever import a Corvette from US or have looking into the procedure to do that? My friend's boss is interested in getting a 2009 ZR1 from the States since there is no availability over here in Canada. He has contacted one of the dealers on the south side, they told him that a US resident with driver licence is required to purchase the car, then they can help to do the exporting/importing. He has no problem find a US friend/relative for that, but can any one help to explain how the procedure works?

Does the US resident purchase the car first, get it insured, register, then sell it back to him (right at the spot or few days later at the dealership)?

Thanks for all inputs.

You really need to use the search feature for the thread.

[GregGH]

Hi, does any of you ever import a Corvette from US or have looking into the procedure to do that? My friend's boss is interested in getting a 2009 ZR1 from the States since there is no availability over here in Canada. He has contacted one of the dealers on the south side, they told him that a US resident with driver licence is required to purchase the car, then they can help to do the exporting/importing. He has no problem find a US friend/relative for that, but can any one help to explain how the procedure works?


Thanks for all inputs.

Sure others have told you to do the work to get smarter -- can;t ask the really basic questions here ... but

here is SWEET web site for Corvette's ----

http://www.jeffhardy.com/lookupvette.php

also a Cdn sub section on this Corvette forum --the busiest forum you will ever see ... http://forums.corvetteforum.com/index.php?

DO THE WORK --that is half the fun
Go crazy

Greg & my C6 vert from Michigan :-)

[Bill011]

Hi all,

I am kind of new here so instead of going thru 1000s of replies to this topic I thought I should better ask it. I will just put it short. I just recently got job in US and living in North Carolina. My family is still in Ontario, Canada. I want to buy Honda Pilot and move it to Canada after some time but looking at the current dollar value what do you guys advise me, should I wait or should I buy it in Canada.

[dsds]

Hello folks.
Well it's pretty much a year since I imported my truck.

What a difference only one year makes!!

I haven't been reading since spring and it sure is good to see Auto WOW still going and with a lot of familiar names. Great to still read successful import stories.

Thanks again to the maggot for saving me big bucks. Cheers!

[alpenrock]

nice post

[giasone]

Soon this thread will have no more relevance.

[hagbard]

Soon this thread will have no more relevance.

Well, until the US dollar drops again to below $1 CDN, which shouldn't take too long.

[mplsv]

Well, until the US dollar drops again to below $1 CDN, which shouldn't take too long.

Not long at all ... the obscenely overpriced US $ is in for something none of you expect. Like I stated before this sell-off in equities and the CDN $ happened, watch the interest return in this thread.

The unexpected, undeserved fall in our $ is something you can all capitalize on now by buying up as much of our currency as you can. According to Nandu, "You buy Canada", says Mr. Narayanan, who can't believe the way the loonie has been savaged. “The currency is ridiculously undervalued. I can't think of any country in the world that has no fiscal deficit, no trade deficit and no inflation – except Canada. I think the Canadian dollar should go through parity." Read the entire article here: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081024.wdecloet1025/BNStory/SpecialEvents2/

The market is comprised of the voices of many. Unfortunately, the voices of too many are ignorant and, soon to be confirmed, wrong.

Fundamentally, the US $ is dead. There is ZERO reason that will, for any significant period of time, hold the dollar at anywhere near an .80 USDX value. I repeat, ZERO reason. Idiocy, herd mentality, or any other objective measure is what is causing what you all have witnessed in the last few months.

[maniacshopper]

Not long at all ... the obscenely overpriced US $ is in for something none of you expect. Like I stated before this sell-off in equities and the CDN $ happened, watch the interest return in this thread.

The unexpected, undeserved fall in our $ is something you can all capitalize on now by buying up as much of our currency as you can. According to Nandu, "You buy Canada", says Mr. Narayanan, who can't believe the way the loonie has been savaged. “The currency is ridiculously undervalued. I can't think of any country in the world that has no fiscal deficit, no trade deficit and no inflation – except Canada. I think the Canadian dollar should go through parity." Read the entire article here: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081024.wdecloet1025/BNStory/SpecialEvents2/

The market is comprised of the voices of many. Unfortunately, the voices of too many are ignorant and, soon to be confirmed, wrong.

Fundamentally, the US $ is dead. There is ZERO reason that will, for any significant period of time, hold the dollar at anywhere near an .80 USDX value. I repeat, ZERO reason. Idiocy, herd mentality, or any other objective measure is what is causing what you all have witnessed in the last few months.

in a perfect world, we should be the next super power, as everyone should be rebuilding their financial system. In the real world, if you let the US default, all those trillions of $ in US T-bills, that the world holds, as institutions have to invest the USD it holds or earn LIBOR or eurodollar deposits. If the US defaults, it will start WW3, people will fight to have a piece of the US, not that it will ever happen.

Unfortunately at this rapid depreciation in the CAD as a result of the BOC rate cuts, we may see 0.60 CAD soon, most likely the work by fx traders. Which means prices for imports are going up.

[mplsv]

Hmm, it doesn't really take balls to acknowledge something that everyone already knows as FACT. We'd be impressed if you actually apologized for your rude and condescending posts that turned out to be inaccurate and quite misguided in their timelines instead.

"But rest assured, the CDN dollar will return to well above par ... and no, I will not predict when that will happen exactly as I cannot predict the manipulation of large organizations nor the utter stupidity of the masses. "

Hey didn't I tell you that it was just a prophechy/prediction/opinion on your part when it came to these timelines? On July 15th actually...

I gave you the "out" so that you could at least C.Y.A. when it came to your "bold" statements but instead you chose to show your foolish/confrontational side. Glad to see HUMILITY has at least taught you to step away from your former dayjob of predicting timelines. Most folks here were interested in buying something within the year (this was back in July) and the things you're hypothesizing about were maybe 1.5 yrs down the line (or should I say have no specified timeline now).

And yes I'm enjoying my US-bought used car which would have cost me 15-20% more had I waited until now (oil prices coming down actually caused the market price to drop by a couple of hundred).

Nobody's saying your points were invalid, however facts alone don't dictate markets and market sentiment (and once again, I'm no expert).

Good to see your luck in buying when you did ... your 50/50 gamble in buying when you did could have easily cost you had our $ climbed above par.

Until you have FACTS to back up your claim that "most" wanted to buy immediately, please stop fabricating. Patience will reward most far more than you lucked out on.

For those waiting patiently instead of dropping, say, $25k on a depreciating asset ... they'll be far ahead of you investing their money and leasing while you "enjoy" your used car. I know I'll have a LOT more money in two years time by not giving away $25k now.

Lastly, FACTS do dictate markets in due time. Patience and rationality also win out over emotion and gambling.

[mplsv]

in a perfect world, we should be the next super power, as everyone should be rebuilding their financial system. In the real world, if you let the US default, all those trillions of $ in US T-bills, that the world holds, as institutions have to invest the USD it holds or earn LIBOR or eurodollar deposits. If the US defaults, it will start WW3, people will fight to have a piece of the US, not that it will ever happen.

Unfortunately at this rapid depreciation in the CAD as a result of the BOC rate cuts, we may see 0.60 CAD soon, most likely the work by fx traders. Which means prices for imports are going up.

I don't know that the Chinese need to be rebuilding their financial system. I don't know that the Asians do either. I do know that they should be scooping up real assets and unloading the worthless crap they now hold as US $s.

I read that next summer may be the ugly, unhoped-for time for a default by the US. Imagine what would then transpire? How would you feel if you lent a friend money and they went bankrupt and never paid you back? Would you lend to them again? This conversation we're having has been ongoing amongst economists and central banks for years now ... this isn't something that wasn't known about until this year ... this has been analyzed and acknowledged for some time. Only now has the general public been aware of this nightmare.

All currencies are being devalued, ALL. You may see relative gains and losses but if they are all becoming worthless to varying degrees why wouldn't you be looking for a way of preserving your wealth? Gold will be that out.

We will NOT see a 60 cent dollar here. The blow-off to the downside we just witnessed is similar to the blow-off to the upside we had to $1.10. The relative situation I just mentioned will return the world to CDN investments as we are the safest place to go. Read the article I referenced earlier today and see that intelligent people know what to do. Also read the other article I referenced in the last page of this thread. These are FACTS that will come to pass shortly as logic prevails.

With all this happening, is it financially responsible to pay out $25k of your money and 1. have it depreciate like no other investment? 2. not invest it knowing what is coming? I'm not saying don't buy a car ... but maybe leasing one and investing the rest? This presumes you know where to invest so maybe I'm giving too much credit to some of you ... two of you know exactly who you are as you've shown some of your "abilities" in life.

[hagbard]

Not long at all ... the obscenely overpriced US $ is in for something none of you expect.

I expect the US dollar to become worth less than bumwad. I'm I close? Since all the world's currencies are tied to it (well, except perhaps Syria's) we're all in for a bumpy ride.

BTW, if you know where I can buy gold coins, it would be much appreciated.

[ottofly]

I expect the US dollar to become worth less than bumwad. I'm I close? Since all the world's currencies are tied to it (well, except perhaps Syria's) we're all in for a bumpy ride.

BTW, if you know where I can buy gold coins, it would be much appreciated.


You can buy Gold coins from the Canadian Mint, US Mint and Kitco.com, which even sells gold and silver bars. They are based here in Montreal.

That being said it looks like some normalcy is returning to currency markets and our dollar, so I just converted my US dollars back to CDN. No point in letting the profits evaporate. Hopefully, we return to 90 cents where the deals will work in our favor again.

[hagbard]

You can buy Gold coins from the Canadian Mint, US Mint and Kitco.com, which even sells gold and silver bars. They are based here in Montreal.



I don't believe those sources have any supply. Far as I'm aware, no one on the planet does.

I take that back, found a place, but a 1oz Maple Leaf is over $1000.

[starR]

why 1oz coins?
i picked up 4 1 oz bars from the main branch of Scotiabank downtown Toronto in Sept. walked in and walked out with them. I checked RBC and they had supply on hand also.

I don't believe those sources have any supply. Far as I'm aware, no one on the planet does.

I take that back, found a place, but a 1oz Maple Leaf is over $1000.

[hagbard]

why 1oz coins?
i picked up 4 1 oz bars from the main branch of Scotiabank downtown Toronto in Sept. walked in and walked out with them. I checked RBC and they had supply on hand also.

Well, where I used to buy gold, there was no tax on coins, there was on bullion. I think in hard times, the coins will be more widely accepted than bullion too. Ideally, I'd like to buy in Windsor.

Oh, and more on topic...the US dollar is starting its decline. Now $1.219

[mplsv]

I expect the US dollar to become worth less than bumwad. I'm I close? Since all the world's currencies are tied to it (well, except perhaps Syria's) we're all in for a bumpy ride.

BTW, if you know where I can buy gold coins, it would be much appreciated.

'hagbard', there's no point in buying the bullion. Buy equities. Leverage is the key.

[hagbard]

'hagbard', there's no point in buying the bullion. Buy equities. Leverage is the key.

Gold stocks? Sorry for hijacking the thread people, but you'll be glad when the US dollar tanks (at least for a while).

[mplsv]

Gold stocks? Sorry for hijacking the thread people, but you'll be glad when the US dollar tanks (at least for a while).

Yup. If gold doubles to $1500, profits for some companies could quadruple if costs are low enough. Or you could buy a $25k car outright and miss out on the free money. Whatever turns your crank.

[dynamiteroll]

WTF happened to this thread? If I want to read about finances, it won't be in an automotive topic on RFD :mad:

[sienna owner]

WTF happened to this thread? If I want to read about finances, it won't be in an automotive topic on RFD :mad:

they have been going back and forth for a couple of months now...probably closer to a year. I just don't bother reading those post SINCE THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH BUYING CARS FROM THE STATES, but more directly to the exchange.

maybe they should start a discussion thread
CDN $ WOW ---- CDN $ vs US down 30% cheaper

[vipt2000]

Quick question: Do you need to obtain temporary license plates for every state that you are crossing? If I buy a car from Florida, can I drive back to Canada with only Florida temporary plate or I have to buy temporary plates for every US state that I cross?

Thank you.

[DG3x]

Quick question: Do you need to obtain temporary license plates for every state that you are crossing? If I buy a car from Florida, can I drive back to Canada with only Florida temporary plate or I have to buy temporary plates for every US state that I cross?

Thank you.

Just the Florida plate will be fine.

[mangoman]

Beats me - I replied the other day stating that I would ignore any further posts by a certain person and tried to keep it related to the topic of buying cars in the US and even gave a link directing to a thread that was discussing the CDN vs USD in the Personal Finance section but a day later my post was deleted (not sure why as there was no vulgarity/obscenity and was quite fair).

Once again I will state that this thread is under the HOT DEALS Forum of which 95%+ of topics are for deals/savings to be had in the next week/or month and not a LONG-TERM INVESTMENT STRATEGIES thread.

they have been going back and forth for a couple of months now...probably closer to a year. I just don't bother reading those post SINCE THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH BUYING CARS FROM THE STATES, but more directly to the exchange.

maybe they should start a discussion thread
CDN $ WOW ---- CDN $ vs US down 30% cheaper

[mangoman]

Not necessarily so. Please check with the DMV's of whichever states you plan to drive through (Mass. for example might give you a problem).

Just the Florida plate will be fine.

[Lonewolf1]

Quick question: Do you need to obtain temporary license plates for every state that you are crossing? If I buy a car from Florida, can I drive back to Canada with only Florida temporary plate or I have to buy temporary plates for every US state that I cross?

Thank you.


I bought a car in NH and drove all over Mass, NH and Maine with only NH temp plates. I even had a state trooper follow me in Maine and he did not blink at the NH temp plate. Drove up behind me, passed and kept going.

Cheers!!

[Matty]

I asked this Toronto-area Toyota dealer to let me know the next time they get any US Highlanders (since his used Cdn ones were more expensive than NEW US ones!!!). Here's the email he just sent me:

We don’t take in any US vehicles, because the quality does not nearly compare to Canadian vehicles. If you are truly interested in an American car, I suggest doing some research on things like: paint protection differences, bumper standards, differences in alternators, aged tires being used as new, etc.

If you would like some help looking for a Canadian vehicles I would be more than happy to oblige.

Regrads,
RK
Don Valley North Toyota
www.numberonetoyota.com
3300 Steeles Avenue East, Markham, ON L3R 1G9
Tel: (905) 475 072
Email: ro**rtk@dvnlt.com
Our new dealership is FINALLY OPEN!
Click HERE for Map
Click HERE for Directions

I'm pretty sure the things he mentions are simply untrue. And what's with the comment about the tires? That one's just plain weird. Anyway this is just a head's up that there are still dealers who're feeding the same old lines to unsuspecting buyers.

[Rehan]

And what's with the comment about the tires? That one's just plain weird. Probably because of this: http://www.nydailynews.com/autos/2008/07/21/2008-07-21_old_tires_sold_as_new_ones_lawsuit.html
Video from 20/20 is at http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4826897

But I'm sure it's not a common occurrence. It's just a dealer trying to play off the fear of the risk.

[mangoman]

Wonder what he will say when Toyota starts selling their Japanese-made Scions up here (bumpers will be the same since they're now harmonized) - on top of that I'm pretty sure I've seen used Scions there in the past too.

What a sleazeball.

I asked this Toronto-area Toyota dealer to let me know the next time they get any US Highlanders (since his used Cdn ones were more expensive than NEW US ones!!!). Here's the email he just sent me:

We don’t take in any US vehicles, because the quality does not nearly compare to Canadian vehicles. If you are truly interested in an American car, I suggest doing some research on things like: paint protection differences, bumper standards, differences in alternators, aged tires being used as new, etc.

If you would like some help looking for a Canadian vehicles I would be more than happy to oblige.

Regrads,
RK
Don Valley North Toyota
www.numberonetoyota.com
3300 Steeles Avenue East, Markham, ON L3R 1G9
Tel: (905) 475 072
Email: ro**rtk@dvnlt.com
Our new dealership is FINALLY OPEN!
Click HERE for Map
Click HERE for Directions

I'm pretty sure the things he mentions are simply untrue. And what's with the comment about the tires? That one's just plain weird. Anyway this is just a head's up that there are still dealers who're feeding the same old lines to unsuspecting buyers.

[michelb]

I asked this Toronto-area Toyota dealer to let me know the next time they get any US Highlanders (since his used Cdn ones were more expensive than NEW US ones!!!). Here's the email he just sent me:

We don’t take in any US vehicles, because the quality does not nearly compare to Canadian vehicles. If you are truly interested in an American car, I suggest doing some research on things like: paint protection differences, bumper standards, differences in alternators, aged tires being used as new, etc.

If you would like some help looking for a Canadian vehicles I would be more than happy to oblige.

Regrads,
RK
Don Valley North Toyota
www.numberonetoyota.com
3300 Steeles Avenue East, Markham, ON L3R 1G9
Tel: (905) 475 072
Email: ro**rtk@dvnlt.com
Our new dealership is FINALLY OPEN!
Click HERE for Map
Click HERE for Directions

I'm pretty sure the things he mentions are simply untrue. And what's with the comment about the tires? That one's just plain weird. Anyway this is just a head's up that there are still dealers who're feeding the same old lines to unsuspecting buyers.

That's pretty harsh. If it was me and I had an email like that, I would forward it off the the Pres of Toyota USA and a some automobile magazines and cc the Pres of Toyota Canada and the owner and various managers at DonValley and ask the pres of Toyota USA to confirm that Toyota does in fact sell an inferior product in the US compared to the one they sell in Canada (not to mention using 'aged tires as new')

[diigii]

Wow!!! What a classic example of a clueless idiot this guy shows to the public. So that means all US-manufactured Toyotas are not built of the best quality Toyota is known for.

If I were you, I would email this to Toyota Canada, Toyota US and to the president/manager of his dealership. It's been proven here that a lot of Toyota dealerships, namely one in the Ottawa area, imports hundreds of used Toyota vehicles to sell here. I would just like to prove him wrong by inspecting his used vehicles in their lot which ones came from the US. Sometimes, I think people like this guy has lost their brain mass because of stupidity.

I asked this Toronto-area Toyota dealer to let me know the next time they get any US Highlanders (since his used Cdn ones were more expensive than NEW US ones!!!). Here's the email he just sent me:

We don’t take in any US vehicles, because the quality does not nearly compare to Canadian vehicles. If you are truly interested in an American car, I suggest doing some research on things like: paint protection differences, bumper standards, differences in alternators, aged tires being used as new, etc.

If you would like some help looking for a Canadian vehicles I would be more than happy to oblige.

Regrads,
RK
Don Valley North Toyota
www.numberonetoyota.com
3300 Steeles Avenue East, Markham, ON L3R 1G9
Tel: (905) 475 072
Email: ro**rtk@dvnlt.com
Our new dealership is FINALLY OPEN!
Click HERE for Map
Click HERE for Directions

I'm pretty sure the things he mentions are simply untrue. And what's with the comment about the tires? That one's just plain weird. Anyway this is just a head's up that there are still dealers who're feeding the same old lines to unsuspecting buyers.

[Nitrate]

I asked this Toronto-area Toyota dealer to let me know the next time they get any US Highlanders (since his used Cdn ones were more expensive than NEW US ones!!!). Here's the email he just sent me:

We don’t take in any US vehicles, because the quality does not nearly compare to Canadian vehicles. If you are truly interested in an American car, I suggest doing some research on things like: paint protection differences, bumper standards, differences in alternators, aged tires being used as new, etc.

If you would like some help looking for a Canadian vehicles I would be more than happy to oblige.

Regrads,
RK
Don Valley North Toyota
www.numberonetoyota.com
3300 Steeles Avenue East, Markham, ON L3R 1G9
Tel: (905) 475 072
Email: ro**rtk@dvnlt.com
Our new dealership is FINALLY OPEN!
Click HERE for Map
Click HERE for Directions

I'm pretty sure the things he mentions are simply untrue. And what's with the comment about the tires? That one's just plain weird. Anyway this is just a head's up that there are still dealers who're feeding the same old lines to unsuspecting buyers.Wow, "aged tires being used as new". I could not disagree more. I imported my Sienna in April 2008, and the sticker says it was manufactured in Feb 2008. One of the first things I checked was the tires' manufacture date. Happy to report that all four tires had "0608" on the sidewall, which meant they were manufactured in the 6th week of 2008.

[jed]

Paint? All base/clear as far as I know.
Bumpers? Check RIV for that - not likely any differences.
Alternators? I think he may (mistakenly) be thinking that a HD heater will give a larger alternator - actually when you get more AC (front and rear for instance), and other electrical goodies that you get a larger alternator. Nothing to do with Canada/US that I've ever seen.
Tires? Already discussed.

Lets face it - the dealer wants to sell you what he has available, so will try to sway you to his opinon. Is it right? Probably not, but this is capitalism.

Thats why we have forums like this to educate ourselves. Pity the unknowing public who takes him (dealer) at his word.




I asked this Toronto-area Toyota dealer to let me know the next time they get any US Highlanders (since his used Cdn ones were more expensive than NEW US ones!!!). Here's the email he just sent me:

We don’t take in any US vehicles, because the quality does not nearly compare to Canadian vehicles. If you are truly interested in an American car, I suggest doing some research on things like: paint protection differences, bumper standards, differences in alternators, aged tires being used as new, etc.

If you would like some help looking for a Canadian vehicles I would be more than happy to oblige.

Regrads,
RK
Don Valley North Toyota
www.numberonetoyota.com
3300 Steeles Avenue East, Markham, ON L3R 1G9
Tel: (905) 475 072
Email: ro**rtk@dvnlt.com
Our new dealership is FINALLY OPEN!
Click HERE for Map
Click HERE for Directions

I'm pretty sure the things he mentions are simply untrue. And what's with the comment about the tires? That one's just plain weird. Anyway this is just a head's up that there are still dealers who're feeding the same old lines to unsuspecting buyers.

[Matty]

You may remember that I posted an interesting email exchange with a well-known Toyota dealership in Toronto, where the agent claimed that US-sold Toyotas were "not nearly" as high quality as Canadian ones.

Several RFDers suggested I contact management.

So I did.

My email to management appears first below. And, to my surprise, they did look into the incident, and their reply is further down. I'm also requoting my original post at the very bottom.

I'll let you comment, then I have a few things to mention.

First, I do applaud the dealership for not sweeping this under the rug, and for not sending me a form letter.


==========
To: AT, General Mgr, DVNLT
Sent: Thu Oct 30 21:33:33 2008
Name: Matt [entered]
Email: ***@gmail.com
Phone: 2222222222

This is unnacceptable. Look at what a representative from your
dealership had to say to me: "We don't take in any US vehicles, because
the quality does not nearly compare to Canadian vehicles. If you are
truly interested in an American car, I suggest doing some research on
things like: paint protection differences, bumper standards, differences
in alternators, aged tires being used as new, etc... [DVN employee RK]"
If you really think it's in your dealership's best interest to feed a
highly-informed buyer untruths, especially ones that have been disproven
ages ago in countless articles, news stories, and online forums, then
you've lost this potential client for good. I trust that you will talk
to Mr. Karbaum? Please reply. Thanks."
==========

Now here's their reply, from today, Nov. 3, 2008:


Matt
I have discussed this with RK and, as AT suggests, his
inexperience with US vehicles is the root cause.

We rarely see a US vehicle being traded in here because of the rigid
safety and emission differences that the border presents to consumers.
To bring a unit into Canada from the US, a consumer has to install day
time running lights, ensure the bumpers meet our standards (and replace
if they don't), pay duty, and also pay sales taxes when they register
the vehicle and buy licence plates.

These expenses can create an unusually low appraisal for consumers if
they are trading in a vehicle that was produced for sale in the US, as
well as the Canadian "opinion" of a non-Canadian vehicle. There are
some variances with paint, and electrical standards that are not deemed
reparable prior to bringing them across the border, which RK
correctly pointed out.

Please let me know if I can help further Matt, and I hope Don Valley
North Toyota can continue to help you with your purchase.

Regards
MC
Don Valley North Automotive Inc.

=============

And for those RFDers who didn't read my original post last week:

I asked this Toronto-area Toyota dealer to let me know the next time they get any US Highlanders (since his used Cdn ones were more expensive than NEW US ones!!!). Here's the email he just sent me:

We don’t take in any US vehicles, because the quality does not nearly compare to Canadian vehicles. If you are truly interested in an American car, I suggest doing some research on things like: paint protection differences, bumper standards, differences in alternators, aged tires being used as new, etc.

If you would like some help looking for a Canadian vehicles I would be more than happy to oblige.

Regrads,
RK
Don Valley North Toyota
www.numberonetoyota.com
3300 Steeles Avenue East, Markham, ON L3R 1G9
Tel: (905) 475 072
Email: ro**rtk@dvnlt.com
Our new dealership is FINALLY OPEN!
Click HERE for Map
Click HERE for Directions

I'm pretty sure the things he mentions are simply untrue. And what's with the comment about the tires? That one's just plain weird. Anyway this is just a head's up that there are still dealers who're feeding the same old lines to unsuspecting buyers.

[sienna owner]

You may remember that I posted an interesting email exchange with a well-known Toyota dealership in Toronto, where the agent claimed that US-sold Toyotas were "not nearly" as high quality as Canadian ones.

Several RFDers suggested I contact management.

So I did.

My email to management appears first below. And, to my surprise, they did look into the incident, and their reply is further down. I'm also requoting my original post at the very bottom.

I'll let you comment, then I have a few things to mention.

First, I do applaud the dealership for not sweeping this under the rug, and for not sending me a form letter.


==========
To: AT, General Mgr, DVNLT
Sent: Thu Oct 30 21:33:33 2008
Name: Matt [entered]
Email: ***@gmail.com
Phone: 2222222222

This is unnacceptable. Look at what a representative from your
dealership had to say to me: "We don't take in any US vehicles, because
the quality does not nearly compare to Canadian vehicles. If you are
truly interested in an American car, I suggest doing some research on
things like: paint protection differences, bumper standards, differences
in alternators, aged tires being used as new, etc... [DVN employee RK]"
If you really think it's in your dealership's best interest to feed a
highly-informed buyer untruths, especially ones that have been disproven
ages ago in countless articles, news stories, and online forums, then
you've lost this potential client for good. I trust that you will talk
to Mr. Karbaum? Please reply. Thanks."
==========

Now here's their reply, from today, Nov. 3, 2008:


Matt
I have discussed this with RK and, as AT suggests, his
inexperience with US vehicles is the root cause.

We rarely see a US vehicle being traded in here because of the rigid
safety and emission differences that the border presents to consumers.
To bring a unit into Canada from the US, a consumer has to install day
time running lights, ensure the bumpers meet our standards (and replace
if they don't), pay duty, and also pay sales taxes when they register
the vehicle and buy licence plates.

These expenses can create an unusually low appraisal for consumers if
they are trading in a vehicle that was produced for sale in the US, as
well as the Canadian "opinion" of a non-Canadian vehicle. There are
some variances with paint, and electrical standards that are not deemed
reparable prior to bringing them across the border, which RK
correctly pointed out.

Please let me know if I can help further Matt, and I hope Don Valley
North Toyota can continue to help you with your purchase.

Regards
MC
Don Valley North Automotive Inc.

=============

And for those RFDers who didn't read my original post last week:

good for them for responding..however, they are still incorrect since the bumper standards are now harmonized...and DRL are standard on some models/trim level, so that should have read install if necessary.
"variances with paint"...like the shade or the name of the colour...nice..LOL
"sales tax"...hahaha..you have to pay that regardless if you buy from the states or from DVNLT...again..nice try

[Gabriel Kish]

Good news.

Just found out Jaguar no longer requires U.S. cars to be inspected in Canada. Jaguar will accept a letter from the U.S. dealership. That takes away a huge fee as some Canadian dealerships were charging up to $2,500 for this "inspection"

This makes Jaguar one of the easiest luxury cars to import into Canada.

[michelb]

Good news.

Just found out Jaguar no longer requires U.S. cars to be inspected in Canada. Jaguar will accept a letter from the U.S. dealership. That takes away a huge fee as some Canadian dealerships were charging up to $2,500 for this "inspection"

This makes Jaguar one of the easiest luxury cars to import into Canada.

Might have depended on the model but I had called the Ottawa dealership for an XJ8 earlier this year (for a friend) and I had been quoted $200 for an inspection, $300 to activate DRL and $200 for recall letter.

This is good since you can now save the $200 for the recall letter and the $200 for the inspection but you'll still have to activate the DRLs so it might not be that much of a savings (other than with those dealerships that appear to be extorting money)

[Sergio]

So far everything is on schedule.

Inspection at Florida Acura was excellent
Truck deliver of Acura from Florida to Champlain, NY was excellent (750 insured)
Pickup of title at US Export was excellent (2 minutes processing)
Process of import at Canadian side was good (30 min processing time)
Federal/Canadian Tire inspection (today) was a joke (10 min)
SAAQ. Quebec general verification in process, scheduled tomorrow at 8am
SAAQ, Quebec technical verification in process, scheduled tomorrow at 9am same garage
SAAQ, appointment for registration of vehicle, scheduled tomorrow at 10am


I will keep you guys posted on how the rest goes!!! I drove the car from NY to Blainville and what a ride it was. Excellent vehicle.

The SAAQ folks confirmed that the FLOODED/REBUILT title is not a problem here.

Stay tuned....
Sergio

The RIV and the borden aren't the problem (all they care is that the vehicle meets Canadian regulations). You need to make sure that SAAQ will let you register the vehicle for road use (as mentioned, Ontario Ministry of Transport would not). You need to confirm exactly what they will require you to do with a flood/rebuilt (Ontario does not accept flooded vehicles and require you to do a full re-inspection of rebuilt vehicles). You can also simply call one of the Quebec provincial inspection centers - they may be able to tell you.

Good luck.

[jzy]

Hi, I imported a Outback last year from Buffalo. I've been wondering about rust-proofing since here in Ottawa the city puts a lot of salt on the road during winter time. I understand that the factory warranty that includes 5 years of Rust Perforation Limited Warranty. But has anyone gone for aftermarket rust-proofing like Krown? Is it really worthwhile getting it? Or is it the factory warranty enough for Outbacks? I did a search but nothing relevant came up so I'd appreciate it if someone could share their opinion on this.

[diigii]

Wow! This "manager" also is full of bull$#!t. He's also spreading misinformation. Let me point out each of his claims that are still wrong.

1. Toyota cars have the daytime running lights set up already. Some models (Camry and Sienna, for examples) can be enabled by just installing a fuse in the fusebox. A number of RFD members here who bought their Toyota's in the US have attested to this installation.

2. Toyota and other volume manufacturers have had their bumpers meet Transport Canada's requirements long before the harmonization with US and European standards was announced for one reason: economies of scale make multiple-market cars cheaper to manufacture and sell to different regions.

3. Yes you pay duty too if you buy a car here in Canada that was manufactured outside of North America. However, if it was built under NAFTA, it is duty-free.

4. Don't we pay GST and PST here too?? Is he misinforming you that you will pay sales taxes both here in the US and Canada whey you import a US-car? sales taxes for a car bought here and just because the dealership does the registration for you so that all you gotta do is to show up at the dealership to pick your car and just drive off? What he doesn't mention is that you don't pay sales taxes in the US if you export it out of the US and import it to Canada. And that you pay lesser sales taxes since the taxable base amount
is lower when converted to CAD currency.

5. Electrical standards??? WHAT is this guy smoking? The only different wiring is the daytime running lights, which as I mention earlier, is functional with the installation of a fuse.

Different bonehead, same ol' bull$#!t from Don Valley North.


You may remember that I posted an interesting email exchange with a well-known Toyota dealership in Toronto, where the agent claimed that US-sold Toyotas were "not nearly" as high quality as Canadian ones.

Several RFDers suggested I contact management.

So I did.

My email to management appears first below. And, to my surprise, they did look into the incident, and their reply is further down. I'm also requoting my original post at the very bottom.

I'll let you comment, then I have a few things to mention.

First, I do applaud the dealership for not sweeping this under the rug, and for not sending me a form letter.


==========
To: AT, General Mgr, DVNLT
Sent: Thu Oct 30 21:33:33 2008
Name: Matt [entered]
Email: ***@gmail.com
Phone: 2222222222

This is unnacceptable. Look at what a representative from your
dealership had to say to me: "We don't take in any US vehicles, because
the quality does not nearly compare to Canadian vehicles. If you are
truly interested in an American car, I suggest doing some research on
things like: paint protection differences, bumper standards, differences
in alternators, aged tires being used as new, etc... [DVN employee RK]"
If you really think it's in your dealership's best interest to feed a
highly-informed buyer untruths, especially ones that have been disproven
ages ago in countless articles, news stories, and online forums, then
you've lost this potential client for good. I trust that you will talk
to Mr. Karbaum? Please reply. Thanks."
==========

Now here's their reply, from today, Nov. 3, 2008:


Matt
I have discussed this with RK and, as AT suggests, his
inexperience with US vehicles is the root cause.

We rarely see a US vehicle being traded in here because of the rigid
safety and emission differences that the border presents to consumers.
To bring a unit into Canada from the US, a consumer has to install day
time running lights, ensure the bumpers meet our standards (and replace
if they don't), pay duty, and also pay sales taxes when they register
the vehicle and buy licence plates.

These expenses can create an unusually low appraisal for consumers if
they are trading in a vehicle that was produced for sale in the US, as
well as the Canadian "opinion" of a non-Canadian vehicle. There are
some variances with paint, and electrical standards that are not deemed
reparable prior to bringing them across the border, which RK
correctly pointed out.

Please let me know if I can help further Matt, and I hope Don Valley
North Toyota can continue to help you with your purchase.

Regards
MC
Don Valley North Automotive Inc.

=============

And for those RFDers who didn't read my original post last week:

[diigii]

Yes, get it rust-proofed. It's worth it.

Hi, I imported a Outback last year from Buffalo. I've been wondering about rust-proofing since here in Ottawa the city puts a lot of salt on the road during winter time. I understand that the factory warranty that includes 5 years of Rust Perforation Limited Warranty. But has anyone gone for aftermarket rust-proofing like Krown? Is it really worthwhile getting it? Or is it the factory warranty enough for Outbacks? I did a search but nothing relevant came up so I'd appreciate it if someone could share their opinion on this.

[diigii]

Jaguar's are the worst luxury cars in terms of reliability. Everything that Ford touches turns into junk in a few years. Thank gawd Aston Martin got spared.

Good news.

Just found out Jaguar no longer requires U.S. cars to be inspected in Canada. Jaguar will accept a letter from the U.S. dealership. That takes away a huge fee as some Canadian dealerships were charging up to $2,500 for this "inspection"

This makes Jaguar one of the easiest luxury cars to import into Canada.

[kingrukus]

Jaguar's are the worst luxury cars in terms of reliability. Everything that Ford touches turns into junk in a few years. Thank gawd Aston Martin got spared.

You are wrong. Reliability wise, they were much worse in the days prior to ford ownership.

[Gabriel Kish]

While true in the past, from 2004 on, Jaguar has been in the top 10 with J.D. Powers, not only with the vehicles quality but also with service. Having owned a pre Ford Jaguar (horrible) to having 5 newer Jaguars in my family (2001-2005) I feel confidant enough to talk as someone with first hand knowledge. They are great cars! We have not had any issues or problems with these cars only changing wearable items like tires, brakes and oil. Google J.D. Powers and see for yourself about Jaguar's rankings.

The new XF was won 19 international awards as of today and every comparison test against Lexus, BMW, and Mercedes Benz. This is a very different car company then were in the past. XK, XF, XJ share nothing with any Ford vehicle and are and will only be built in England-which the new owner signed in contract when he bought the company from Ford.

[brendonp]

Good news.

Just found out Jaguar no longer requires U.S. cars to be inspected in Canada. Jaguar will accept a letter from the U.S. dealership. That takes away a huge fee as some Canadian dealerships were charging up to $2,500 for this "inspection"

This makes Jaguar one of the easiest luxury cars to import into Canada.


Gabriel - what's your source? I'm trying to confirm the information and see if it applies to Land Rover as well... So far I haven't been able to get confirmation one way or the other....

Cheers,

Brendon

[Swarez99]

Don't know if anyone can help me but...I have a budget of about $15,000, may go higher but don't really want to, for a used car, one or two years old.
Was going to buy in Canada, but since our dollar is climbing and hopefully gets back to over 90 cents it would make sense to look in the US again.

Does anyone know of any good used car dealers in the buffalo area that I can contact. I've talked to a couple of new car dealers that sell used, but not really getting much out of them over the phone; I'm still undecided on what I want...(so even recommendations are welcome).

thanks for any help.

[Danno2005]

Yes, get it rust-proofed. It's worth it.

I agree.

[brendonp]

Don't know if anyone can help me but...I have a budget of about $15,000, may go higher but don't really want to, for a used car, one or two years old.
Was going to buy in Canada, but since our dollar is climbing and hopefully gets back to over 90 cents it would make sense to look in the US again.

Does anyone know of any good used car dealers in the buffalo area that I can contact. I've talked to a couple of new car dealers that sell used, but not really getting much out of them over the phone; I'm still undecided on what I want...(so even recommendations are welcome).

thanks for any help.

A few thoughts - you're probably better figuring out what you want before heading to the US. Given that you have a 15k budget, with the dollar as it stands today (~.86USD) you have as little as 11k USD to work with, depending on what you are looking at. The 11k is a rough number based on the dollar value, 6% duty, 13% tax, and a few hundred dollars in miscellaneous fees - I'd probably drop that number by another few hundred to be on the safe side. The question then becomes what can you get in the US for 11k that you can't find in Canada? And, I suppose, how much is your time worth to you?

As an aside, I really liked my last car purchase in the US (an '05 Mini Cooper "S"), and am looking to buy again in about 2.5 weeks - an '06 Land Rover LR3. Both purchases are/were based entirely on the differential between US and Canadian pricing on slightly more expensive vehicles giving me at least 7k margins based on the cheapest pricing I could find in Canada (margins of 20k+ on more expensive Canadian examples!). I tried looking for cheaper vehicles, but the margins just didn't seem as good, unless you were looking for vehicles that were a bit more rare in Canada (ie, some older Porsches where much cheaper in the US - and the newer ones were crazy cheap!).

Best of luck!

[Swarez99]

A few thoughts - you're probably better figuring out what you want before heading to the US. Given that you have a 15k budget, with the dollar as it stands today (~.86USD) you have as little as 11k USD to work with, depending on what you are looking at. The 11k is a rough number based on the dollar value, 6% duty, 13% tax, and a few hundred dollars in miscellaneous fees - I'd probably drop that number by another few hundred to be on the safe side. The question then becomes what can you get in the US for 11k that you can't find in Canada? And, I suppose, how much is your time worth to you?

As an aside, I really liked my last car purchase in the US (an '05 Mini Cooper "S"), and am looking to buy again in about 2.5 weeks - an '06 Land Rover LR3. Both purchases are/were based entirely on the differential between US and Canadian pricing on slightly more expensive vehicles giving me at least 7k margins based on the cheapest pricing I could find in Canada (margins of 20k+ on more expensive Canadian examples!). I tried looking for cheaper vehicles, but the margins just didn't seem as good, unless you were looking for vehicles that were a bit more rare in Canada (ie, some older Porsches where much cheaper in the US - and the newer ones were crazy cheap!).

Best of luck!

Thanks for some advice, I am actually waiting for the dollar to go back up to around 90-95, than I will see if it is worth while or not.
Just wanted to start looking at prices to see if it is even worth it at this point, I can up my budget , but don't really know if I want to unless I find something I really like.

How are you finding your cars when looking in the states? Just @ dealers, if so what regions do you focus on?

[brendonp]

Thanks for some advice, I am actually waiting for the dollar to go back up to around 90-95, than I will see if it is worth while or not.
Just wanted to start looking at prices to see if it is even worth it at this point, I can up my budget , but don't really know if I want to unless I find something I really like.

How are you finding your cars when looking in the states? Just @ dealers, if so what regions do you focus on?

I used Cars.com and Autotrader.com for the most part to find the vehicles. Ebay's "Completed Items" are what I use to get "real" prices (ie, the sale prices for items that actually sold - ignore anything that didn't sell) for appropriate offers to make. I run an AutoCheck or Carfax report on everything as well - they aren't perfect, but they can help you discard vehicles with bad histories. My Mini actually came from a private sale in the US!

Good luck!

Brendon

[shaolinmonk]

I used Cars.com and Autotrader.com for the most part to find the vehicles. Ebay's "Completed Items" are what I use to get "real" prices (ie, the sale prices for items that actually sold - ignore anything that didn't sell) for appropriate offers to make. I run an AutoCheck or Carfax report on everything as well - they aren't perfect, but they can help you discard vehicles with bad histories. My Mini actually came from a private sale in the US!

Good luck!

Brendon

what are you using as a zipcode? are you looking close to the border of everywhere in the US?

[Monsieurmaggot]

Hi, I imported a Outback last year from Buffalo. I've been wondering about rust-proofing since here in Ottawa the city puts a lot of salt on the road during winter time. I understand that the factory warranty that includes 5 years of Rust Perforation Limited Warranty. But has anyone gone for aftermarket rust-proofing like Krown? Is it really worthwhile getting it? Or is it the factory warranty enough for Outbacks? I did a search but nothing relevant came up so I'd appreciate it if someone could share their opinion on this.

I think it's a wise investment. I've used Rust Check in all my cars for years (I always buy new and drive them for 10 years). In Toronto, they insure they have at least one inch of salt on every road (I exaggerate) when the first snow hits. That stuff turns to slush in no time and in the spring you find salt in every nook and cranny.

When I sold my 10-year old Taurus, the inspection guy asked if I had the brake lines replaced since they were brand new. I told him that I used Rust Check and he agreed it made a huge difference.

You apply it every year and the non-conductive material displaces water and continually creeps.

I read the Navy uses a similar product on their aircraft-carrier based planes.

http://www.rustcheck.com/howworksasp.asp

[Monsieurmaggot]

While true in the past, from 2004 on, Jaguar has been in the top 10 with J.D. Powers, not only with the vehicles quality but also with service. Having owned a pre Ford Jaguar (horrible) to having 5 newer Jaguars in my family (2001-2005) I feel confidant enough to talk as someone with first hand knowledge. They are great cars! We have not had any issues or problems with these cars only changing wearable items like tires, brakes and oil. Google J.D. Powers and see for yourself about Jaguar's rankings.

I just Googled the Jaguar claim since I too am questioning Jaguar's turnaround. The JD Powers award was for "dealer service satisfaction"

http://www.jaguar.com/us/en/latest/news/news/jdpower_csi08.htm

JD Power doesn't recommend this car. They're saying people like the level of service they receive at Jaguar. Why are Jaguars getting serviced? 'Cause most are junk....(IMHO).

The JD Powers quality ratings for Jaguar are pretty low (Kia scored the same):

http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings/quality-ratings-by-brand

The dependability rating ranks Buick higher than Jaguar:

http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings/dependability-ratings-by-brand

[Ray]

Hi, I imported a Outback last year from Buffalo. I've been wondering about rust-proofing since here in Ottawa the city puts a lot of salt on the road during winter time.

I was looking at used MDXs at an Acura dealer and while I was inspecting the undercarriage on a 2005 model, I noticed a lot of rust. I checked out 2 other 2005 models with even more kms but this one seemed to have alot more rust. Now I know why. This MDX was owned by someone in Ottawa. I think it would be useful to rust proof the car. I've heard that Krown was good.

[jzy]

I think it's a wise investment. I've used Rust Check in all my cars for years (I always buy new and drive them for 10 years). In Toronto, they insure they have at least one inch of salt on every road (I exaggerate) when the first snow hits. That stuff turns to slush in no time and in the spring you find salt in every nook and cranny.

When I sold my 10-year old Taurus, the inspection guy asked if I had the brake lines replaced since they were brand new. I told him that I used Rust Check and he agreed it made a huge difference.

You apply it every year and the non-conductive material displaces water and continually creeps.

I read the Navy uses a similar product on their aircraft-carrier based planes.

http://www.rustcheck.com/howworksasp.asp


Thanks very much for the info, Monsieur! :)

[brendonp]

what are you using as a zipcode? are you looking close to the border of everywhere in the US?

I use 14202 - it's somewhere in Buffalo (I think it may correlate to a dealership I looked at several years ago!), and this gives me a rough idea of distance from the border - assuming I cross in Bufalo. Anything in Michigan or west thereof, and I'd probably cross in Sarnia.

I'm searching generally everywhere in the US; I have a ton of aeroplan miles, so I can fly wherever for "free", but I prefer to be within 500 miles - a drive I can do easily in a day.

[Matty]

After reading fellow RFDers' posts about my exchanges with Don Valley North Automotive about the deceptive and erroneous information they're spreading about evil US-made Toyotas, I drafted a response to the person at the dealership who replied to my complaint. I'd like your opinions before I send it off to him.

Here's the draft:

M, thanks for writing back.

But your reply is confusing me. Let me first say this: I have been researching the importation of vehicles for over a year. I network with a group of individuals who have imported hundreds of Toyotas. I showed some of them what you and the others at DVNLT have written in your emails, and as I thought would happen, they disputed almost all your points.

You say "We rarely see a US vehicle being traded in here because of the rigid safety and emission differences that the border presents to consumers." What are you talking about? Safety standards are harmonized. If a car doesn’t meet them, it doesn’t get imported. Period.

You say “a consumer has to install day time running lights”, but you don’t need to “install” much except for a reprogram or adding a fuse, according to the Toyota owners I spoke to. They either did it themselves or had it done during the inspection at Canadian Tire or at their local Toyota dealer.

You say importers must “ensure the bumpers meet our standards (and replace if they don't)”. Again, this has now been harmonized. Don’t you know that?

You say an importer must pay duty, but 1) this only applies to non-NAFTA vehicles, and 2) the cars DVNLT sells that have been made outside NA had it added when they were imported too! I'd be surprised if you didn't already know this.

OK, this one’s priceless: you say importers of US vehicles “also pay sales taxes when they register the vehicle and buy licence plates”. Murray, if your dealership’s policy is to not charge sales tax, the taxman is gonna come a’knocking real soon. And the fact that you mention “licence” plates? Jeez.

You really, really need to rethink the tactics you and your reps use. It’s one thing to protect your interests, but you can’t spread deceptive information in doing so. ‘Cuz people talk.

M, again I’m glad you took the time to write back. And, I’m still giving you a fair shake on this. But I want you to either correct yourself, or prove that I’m the one who’s wrong. And I’m certainly willing to learn. But after hundreds of hours of research and networking w/ so many people who’ve been importing hundreds of cars with no issues, I just can’t see how they “duped” the authorities, or how you don’t charge sales tax, or how your Japanese-made vehicles never had 6.1% duty paid on importation, or...

Looking forward to your reply. Thanks.

Matty

So folks, any suggestions/clarifications I should add? I really want to make sure my facts are straight.

===========
And here's the summary of my posts...


You may remember that I posted an interesting email exchange with a well-known Toyota dealership in Toronto, where the agent claimed that US-sold Toyotas were "not nearly" as high quality as Canadian ones.

Several RFDers suggested I contact management.

So I did.

My email to management appears first below. And, to my surprise, they did look into the incident, and their reply is further down. I'm also requoting my original post at the very bottom.

I'll let you comment, then I have a few things to mention.

First, I do applaud the dealership for not sweeping this under the rug, and for not sending me a form letter.


==========
To: AT, General Mgr, DVNLT
Sent: Thu Oct 30 21:33:33 2008
Name: Matt [entered]
Email: ***@gmail.com
Phone: 2222222222

This is unnacceptable. Look at what a representative from your
dealership had to say to me: "We don't take in any US vehicles, because
the quality does not nearly compare to Canadian vehicles. If you are
truly interested in an American car, I suggest doing some research on
things like: paint protection differences, bumper standards, differences
in alternators, aged tires being used as new, etc... [DVN employee RK]"
If you really think it's in your dealership's best interest to feed a
highly-informed buyer untruths, especially ones that have been disproven
ages ago in countless articles, news stories, and online forums, then
you've lost this potential client for good. I trust that you will talk
to Mr. Karbaum? Please reply. Thanks."
==========

Now here's their reply, from today, Nov. 3, 2008:


Matt
I have discussed this with RK and, as AT suggests, his
inexperience with US vehicles is the root cause.

We rarely see a US vehicle being traded in here because of the rigid
safety and emission differences that the border presents to consumers.
To bring a unit into Canada from the US, a consumer has to install day
time running lights, ensure the bumpers meet our standards (and replace
if they don't), pay duty, and also pay sales taxes when they register
the vehicle and buy licence plates.

These expenses can create an unusually low appraisal for consumers if
they are trading in a vehicle that was produced for sale in the US, as
well as the Canadian "opinion" of a non-Canadian vehicle. There are
some variances with paint, and electrical standards that are not deemed
reparable prior to bringing them across the border, which RK
correctly pointed out.

Please let me know if I can help further Matt, and I hope Don Valley
North Toyota can continue to help you with your purchase.

Regards
MC
Don Valley North Automotive Inc.

=============

And for those RFDers who didn't read my original post last week:

[sienna owner]

matty...
you can ask if he will honour his claim for not charging sales tax...then you may consider this deal HOT!!!

muhahahahaha

[shaolinmonk]

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=656495

matty your buddy is here lol

[Karbaum]

Yes it is me, and we would like to resolve this issue with you personally.

Please PM me your phone number, and I will have one of our Sr. Representatives contact you.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Wow you are quite brave for coming on this site.

Personally I would love to find out why there is such a huge disparity in how a Canadian car rep. conducts business compared to their US sales reps. counterparts.

When I shopped around, I had contact with a few dozen US dealers. The group of them had a completely different sales tactic that was actually refreshing. It reinforced my commitment to buy in the US.

When I read that Toyota/Lexus went out of their way to hamper free trade, that infuriated me. I added my name to the $2 Billion lawsuit against you guys.

The whole group at Toyota are experts at casting doubt. Remember the full page ads in the Canadian papers indicating that "the windshield wiper fluid tanks CAN be smaller" as was the memorable "weatherstripping CAN be different". The Toyota wordsmiths added the CAN to simply cast doubt. Toyota could always say "we never said IS". Sounds like the Nuremburg defence...

While shopping in the US, NEVER once was I ever asked to provide my credit card to take a car out for a test drive. I was never asked "how much I was looking to spend". I was never upsold on any product and was always quoted a "drive away price". Here your drive away price doesn't include the typical admin, etching, gas money grabs. Never once was rustproofing discussed.

Many US reps. chuckled and told me that the Canadian sales market is still a decade behind in the sales approach.

I was told about this website by a US rep: http://www.edmunds.com/advice/buying/articles/42962/page001.html That would never happen here right?

Early on I actually went into your dealership and was appauled at how I was treated. I always go out of my way to tell people not to buy specifically from you guys. I was told that "I can settle on another car if I wasn't ready to buy a Toyota". "Toyotas are so well built, they sell themselves" was another one I heard. It's clear your reps. believe that since they weren't certainly motivated to make a sale.

The rep. insisted on selling me a product you had on the lot and I was told the offer would be withdrawn when I left the dealership even after I said I didn't like the options or colour. I was looking at a sea green RAV4 Limited six at the time. You had a black four banger limited that I could have right away. Even though it had 5000 kms on the odometer.

Nice. It's a wonder the Canadian sheeps still buy from you guys.

I would imagine that many of your "used" cars are acquired in the US. Perhaps you're like the Toyota dealership in Kanata that imports Siennas by the truckload and sells them to unsuspecting Canadians. Quite the tidy profit for them.

[Karbaum]

Monsieurmaggot,

I am sorry to hear you had a negative experience at our dealership, and if there is anything I can do to remedy the situation please let me know. Feel free to PM me, and we can chat.

The reason I came on this site, was that I felt there was a substantial amount of negativity towards people in the car business. I can't defend every situation, but I can certainly provide information to those who seek it.

As for differences between the US & Canada, everyone has a different opinion based on experiences. I've heard many of the exact opposite experiences, but that is neither here nor there.

As for used US vehicles, we very rarely see any come into our dealership. When we do, we are required to inform the customer that they are from the United States. Also the Miles / Hour speedometer is a dead giveaway.

[Sergio]

My MDX 2007 from Florida transaction is now finally completed!!!!

Here is a summary of events:


Inspection at Florida Acura was excellent
Truck deliver of Acura from Florida to Champlain, NY was excellent (750 insured)
Activated insurance on vehicle before driving it
Decided to not get a temporary or transit since the police will tolerate a 24hr movemement of vehicle without registration within 24-48hrs
Pickup of title at US Export was excellent, submitted 3 days prior to pickup (2 minutes processing)
Process of import at Canadian side was good (30 min processing time)
Federal/Canadian Tire inspection was a joke (10 min)
SAAQ. Quebec general verification in process, completed in 30 min
SAAQ, Quebec technical verification in process, completed in 45 min
SAAQ, appointment for registration of vehicle, completed in 10 min


Car is now plated and insured!!!! Thanks for all the info....

Now, I need to shop for a set of winter tires/wheels:(

Sergio

[HP_John]

I am a sales consultant at Midtown Honda. I've just been working in the car industry for a week.

We don't ask for credit cards to do a test drive. I don't ask how much someone is looking to spend. I have no idea what a gas money grab is.

It does save time to buy from the lot, but if we don`t have it, we search for it & go get it (within reason, we're not going out of Ont). We routinely do dealer trades (go get car from another dealer). I don't tell anyone the terms are only good right then & there. I do tell people if it's late in the month that Honda Canada may change finance & lease rates, incentives, etc on the 1st of the next month. They may be better or not. We have 0 control on that.

[Asad_A203]

I am a sales consultant at Midtown Honda. I've just been working in the car industry for a week.

We don't ask for credit cards to do a test drive. I don't ask how much someone is looking to spend. I have no idea what a gas money grab is.

It does save time to buy from the lot, but if we don`t have it, we search for it & go get it (within reason, we're not going out of Ont). We routinely do dealer trades (go get car from another dealer). I don't tell anyone the terms are only good right then & there. I do tell people if it's late in the month that Honda Canada may change finance & lease rates, incentives, etc on the 1st of the next month. They may be better or not. We have 0 control on that.

Do you have to park your G37 down the street when you come to work :lol:.

[ZeRoMaX]

Was wondering for the licensing an import cars is it 8% of the Value of the car or is it the value of the car plus Duty and A/C? When I called the Licensing department they told me 2 different things.

[tomw]

Was wondering for the licensing an import cars is it 8% of the Value of the car or is it the value of the car plus Duty and A/C? When I called the Licensing department they told me 2 different things.

It's the value of the car, that's what they charged me on.

[Matty]

Was wondering for the licensing an import cars is it 8% of the Value of the car or is it the value of the car plus Duty and A/C? When I called the Licensing department they told me 2 different things.

License fees are fixed, not a percentage. Do you mean sales tax?

[sam_ma]

My MDX 2007 from Florida transaction is now finally completed!!!!

Here is a summary of events:


Inspection at Florida Acura was excellent
Truck deliver of Acura from Florida to Champlain, NY was excellent (750 insured)
Activated insurance on vehicle before driving it
Decided to not get a temporary or transit since the police will tolerate a 24hr movemement of vehicle without registration within 24-48hrs
Pickup of title at US Export was excellent, submitted 3 days prior to pickup (2 minutes processing)
Process of import at Canadian side was good (30 min processing time)
Federal/Canadian Tire inspection was a joke (10 min)
SAAQ. Quebec general verification in process, completed in 30 min
SAAQ, Quebec technical verification in process, completed in 45 min
SAAQ, appointment for registration of vehicle, completed in 10 min


Car is now plated and insured!!!! Thanks for all the info....

Now, I need to shop for a set of winter tires/wheels:(

Sergio

I also brought an '08 MDX 3 months ago and couldn't be happier with the whole process. I bought my winter wheels set from the tirerack.com. The price was half what I would've paid in Montreal and the whole experience painless. I had them shipped to "Freeport Forwarding" in Champlain.

[michelb]

I also brought an '08 MDX 3 months ago and couldn't be happier with the whole process. I bought my winter wheels set from the tirerack.com. The price was half what I would've paid in Montreal and the whole experience painless. I had them shipped to "Freeport Forwarding" in Champlain.

It was a bit different for the previous poster because he was importing a vehicle with a salvage/flood title. Good to hear that it worked with no problems for him (actually I'm shocked that it was that easy - I was selling my motorhome this summer and thought I'd offer it in Quebec but just the regular safety inspection was several hours (I couldn't believe some of the stuff they raised (nuts that were too loose on cross bars, under inflated spare (even though there's no way anyone could change the tires without heavy machinery), the fan doesn't have 'high' position, crack on rubber engine mount, etc).

[Monsieurmaggot]

I am a sales consultant at Midtown Honda. I've just been working in the car industry for a week.

We don't ask for credit cards to do a test drive. I don't ask how much someone is looking to spend. I have no idea what a gas money grab is.

It does save time to buy from the lot, but if we don`t have it, we search for it & go get it (within reason, we're not going out of Ont). We routinely do dealer trades (go get car from another dealer). I don't tell anyone the terms are only good right then & there. I do tell people if it's late in the month that Honda Canada may change finance & lease rates, incentives, etc on the 1st of the next month. They may be better or not. We have 0 control on that.

When it was time for me to buy a new car, I decided that I would go in with a clean slate and look at what every model brand had to offer. Living in the GTA I didn't run out of places to look.

The funny part was that I was a cash buyer. That seemed to annoy a lot of the reps. Not ONE would give me a "drive away" price. I sent emails to pretty well every dealership in the area. I also did the same to US dealers. EVERYONE of the US dealers replied -even those who were directed not to sell to Canadians. Only a few Canadian reps. responded and EVERYONE of them asked me to come in and see them personally. The US dealers that wanted to deal gave me their final price in my first or second email. Try that here. Everyone is scared to commit. Of course we're going to shop around. I don't worry about a couple of hundred dollars. At that point I pick the dealership based on proximity or how I was treated.

I checked every vehicle in Canada and test drove them all here. A Hyundai dealer offered to give me a Santa Fe for the weekend. Had I decided on the Santa Fe, I would have bought from that dealership even though the pricing was about $4000 more than in the US. I'm sure we could have come down another $500 or got some accessories thrown in.

I stumbled into a conversation with the owner of Morningside Nissan (Scarborough, ON) who seemed interested in the fact that I was considering a US purchase and wanted to know my motivation. Price aside, he was surprised to hear how I was treated at many dealerships and admitted that many of his colleagues haven't been changing with the times. He said he noticed that the vast majority of his clients have done research on the Internet and a few were asking about the price differences between the two countries - not that they were looking to buy in the US. He mentioned that his hands were tied on the pricing and at least explained his position. He charged a certain amount for his overhead and split the rest with the group. He told me how they were still selling the Nissan X-Trails two years after production had ended and that was the only vehicle that could come close to US pricing. The only problem was that the X-Trail wasn't sold in the US so there was no comparison possible.

While I appreciate the fact that Canadian reps. are tied to a particular markup, the greediness of that markup is what irks most of us American buyers. Those manufacturers who feel they are above the free trade agreement will have their day in court. Remember 5-7 years ago Americans were doing the same thing and many of the manufacturers where charged for violating the Sherman Act - Companies like Toyota while not admitting guilt, agreed to a $35 million dollar settlement. Mercedes and others are settling out of court too. (http://naata.org/naata/courts.html)

When I was younger I had a cousin who worked in the office of one of the car manufacturers' dealer consignment area. When I went to buy my car of choice, playing his little game, the rep. "confided" in me and showed me the "wholesale price" of the car. Sadly it was about $2000 more than the consignment price. When I gave him a copy of the real price, he simply walked away - he had nothing to say. Some guy in a polyester suit came by and wanted to know where I got the paperwork. This paper showed the actual cost to deliver the vehicle to the dealer and indicated that the particular car came with a bunch of free "factory" incentives. While I never got the car for the consignment price (I never expected that) I was able to get a realistic price from them. I ended up buying the exact car from someone else - who traded for it with them. When I was called about it a few days later, I told them their "underhandedness" was the deal breaker. Had they showed me the real consignment price and said, "we sell the car for $2000 above that to make up overhead and profit" I would have bought from them. The fact that they fabricated some "wholesale price" argument was unbelievable.

I think that's the benefit of having the US invoice price posted on line. Even though most of us have purchased cars for well below that price, it is a good starting point. I tell everyone to use that price and add 10% when shopping in Canada. Naturally you need to factor in the exchange rate. If the price disparity is too great, buy in the US or choose another vehicle. That manufacturer doesn't deserve your business. Who needs the APA when you have me?

[Sergio]

Michelb,

You are correct my title was a salvage-rebuildable/flood/rebuilt and with the research I have done, the fedearl folks (Customs, TransportCanada, RIV) cannot do anything on this title since it is a Provincial call. The provincial (Quebec/SAAQ) folks confirmed that since title had a history of Salvage/Rebuildable that is what allowed me to have a smooth process. Any status that would have had words like: Non-rebuilbable, Junk, Parts Only, then for Quebec/SAAQ this car would never have been accepted.

Not sure what the regulations are with other provinces outside Quebec.

My other option was to plate car with NY DMV folks.

Good luck to all in porcess of importing cars from the USA.

I confirm it was a breeze.

My next car is a BMW Z4 3.0 Not sure if the class action suit has change the conditions on importing a BMW car (ie cluster change, recall letter....)

Take care...
Sergio

It was a bit different for the previous poster because he was importing a vehicle with a salvage/flood title. Good to hear that it worked with no problems for him (actually I'm shocked that it was that easy - I was selling my motorhome this summer and thought I'd offer it in Quebec but just the regular safety inspection was several hours (I couldn't believe some of the stuff they raised (nuts that were too loose on cross bars, under inflated spare (even though there's no way anyone could change the tires without heavy machinery), the fan doesn't have 'high' position, crack on rubber engine mount, etc).

[Nitrate]

My MDX 2007 from Florida transaction is now finally completed!!!! Car is now plated and insured!!!! Thanks for all the info....

Now, I need to shop for a set of winter tires/wheels:(

Sergio
+1 on TireRack.com. Even with the less-than-favourable exchange rate, I still saved a bundle over buying the same winter tires locally. I also bought winter alloys, and mounting/balancing was free. The package also came with a complementary Griots wheel cleaner/wheel sealant kit. Save a bit more by having it shipped to a border town. I ordered on a Thursday evening and it was there on the next Tuesday, talk about fast shipping!

[Rossland]

Thanks for some advice, I am actually waiting for the dollar to go back up to around 90-95, than I will see if it is worth while or not.
Just wanted to start looking at prices to see if it is even worth it at this point, I can up my budget , but don't really know if I want to unless I find something I really like.

How are you finding your cars when looking in the states? Just @ dealers, if so what regions do you focus on?

Looking for a car in Buffalo? Try www.carsforcanadians.com/ I did, and am a happy camper.:D

[brendonp]

Looking for a car in Buffalo? Try www.carsforcanadians.com/ I did, and am a happy camper.:D

Really? Anything from BMW at Towne Auto (which is behind that site) is brutally overpriced compared to many other US outlets. My father in law did purchase a new Hyundai from them, and was quite happy with the price and service....

[nornet]

Jaguar's are the worst luxury cars in terms of reliability. Everything that Ford touches turns into junk in a few years. Thank gawd Aston Martin got spared.

I guess the junk from Ford is the reason so many cab companies choose them for fleet vehicles. 300000 km is nothing on a Taurus.

[jzy]

Hi, has anyone in Ottawa who imported a Subaru from US taken their car to a local dealership for warranty work yet? If so, could you please tell me which one you went to and what your experience was like? Thank you very much!

[Monsieurmaggot]

I guess the junk from Ford is the reason so many cab companies choose them for fleet vehicles. 300000 km is nothing on a Taurus.

Actually read a few years back that if it wasn't for rental and cab companies getting fleet pricing, the Taurus, Crown Vics and Impalas would never exist.

I would imagine that the cabs who get 300,000 kms are on their second transmission.

Interesting to see just how many recalls the Taurus has had:

http://www.autosafety.org/ford-taurus

[brendonp]

Actually read a few years back that if it wasn't for rental and cab companies getting fleet pricing, the Taurus, Crown Vics and Impalas would never exist.

I would imagine that the cabs who get 300,000 kms are on their second transmission.


Quite true; anecdotally, my mother took her then 3 year old Chrysler (15 some odd years ago!) to a repair facility that specialized in cabs to have the tranny rebuilt. I was speaking to the owner at the time and he mentioned that the reason that cab companies used domestics was more due to cheap and readily available parts, and reasonable repair rates, rather then any exceptional lifespan. He also mentioned seeing many vehicles with 300k+ on them, all with various replaced parts, but all still running!

[nornet]

Actually read a few years back that if it wasn't for rental and cab companies getting fleet pricing, the Taurus, Crown Vics and Impalas would never exist.

I would imagine that the cabs who get 300,000 kms are on their second transmission.

Interesting to see just how many recalls the Taurus has had:

http://www.autosafety.org/ford-taurus

Yes more than half of the ones I'm aware of are on their second transmission but in the days of some Toyota trans lasting 40-50 k I'd say that's pretty good. Several people I know have bought these cars usually with 300 k km on them and then driven them for 4 years problem free. Granted that's not a large sample but it's my personal encounter with the vehicle. Other friends have bought Taurus new and usually get 10 years out of them. Signed not a Ford fan, never owned one but do like the Focus, Fusion and Escape.

[Beradon]

I think it's a wise investment. I've used Rust Check in all my cars for years (I always buy new and drive them for 10 years). Did you have to have holes drilled for them to spray inside your door panels?

[Pavel]

Just curious. With the US to CDN exchange rate being now being around $1.24 with todays rates. Does the original title of this thread still hold true that you can save 30% on top of the exchange rate or just 6% cheaper? In otherwords, the car has to be more than 24% cheaper in the US then in Canada?

[Matty]

Just curious. With the US to CDN exchange rate being now being around $1.24 with todays rates. Does the original title of this thread still hold true that you can save 30% on top of the exchange rate or just 6% cheaper? In otherwords, the car has to be more than 24% cheaper in the US then in Canada?

[Um, like... is this a troll?]

[james-007]

Just curious. With the US to CDN exchange rate being now being around $1.24 with todays rates. Does the original title of this thread still hold true that you can save 30% on top of the exchange rate or just 6% cheaper? In otherwords, the car has to be more than 24% cheaper in the US then in Canada?

I bought my Toyota Highlander in 2006 when the exchange was .86 I saved 10K after all said and done. There are still deals out there you just have to find them.

[George W. Bush]

Just wondering out loud - I would want to purchase a new Toyota Prius, and would like to know whether it is worth it. I have an uncle in the states and would like to know how can I go about purchasing one and getting it through him at the lowest possible cost? Was thinking that he could give the car to my mom as gift, and then mom gives me the car to me as gift. I have had a car license for 5 years now.

[nornet]

Actually read a few years back that if it wasn't for rental and cab companies getting fleet pricing, the Taurus, Crown Vics and Impalas would never exist.

I would imagine that the cabs who get 300,000 kms are on their second transmission.

Interesting to see just how many recalls the Taurus has had:

http://www.autosafety.org/ford-taurus

BTW congrats on the forum. So far I've brought in an 07 Outback (.94 cdn = 1.0 US) and an 08 Legacy (.96 cdn = 1.0 US). Will probably be looking for something with better seats for long distance (cross country) cruising in the future as the Subs aren't that comfortable.

[GregGH]

Hi Guys

I have tried to search on the issue of 'how good are aftermarket insurance coverages' for used cars. Any actual feedback on your experiences -did they come thru when needed or do you think they let you down

Looking at Honda Odysseys -- two dealers in Guelph area are selling USA cars - so I know Honda Canada does nothing ( and think I seen where even if you take it back to USA Honda dealership can refuse work on car exported )

One company is Nationwide http://www.nationwideautowarranty.com/SimplyTheBest.html and one is Auto Advantage http://www.autowarranties.com/

I have bought USA cars (have a LS430 - but with a Lexus extended warranty - seem to be more at ease with this - got it due to complexity of the Cra ) and GM that has will be OK with standard GM coverage

I should buy a Toyota but just like the Odyssey better. Thanks for any help offered.

Greg

[jed]

Also, add to your search, "extended warranty". Its an insurance policy that is only as good as the providers willingness to pay, without issue, for work done. GMPP used to be available on all makes/models, fyi.

[pocman]

Has anyone purchased a vehicle from Auto World in Springfield Missouri? How was the service and price? Are they reputable? Since they are not a new car dealer I'm not as confidant as I would be with a recognized (Toyota, GM, etc) dealer. Comments ???

[paul_lee]

We went Otto's Subaru, but only done one oil change. No complains.

Hi, has anyone in Ottawa who imported a Subaru from US taken their car to a local dealership for warranty work yet? If so, could you please tell me which one you went to and what your experience was like? Thank you very much!

[agepag]

Hey did we come to the end of the line with this thread? It says page 1067 but it will not let me go there? 1066 is the last page....

[Tha_Doggg]

Hey did we come to the end of the line with this thread? It says page 1067 but it will not let me go there? 1066 is the last page....

I've noticed this happening with other threads as well.

[shopper-X]

Hey did we come to the end of the line with this thread? It says page 1067 but it will not let me go there? 1066 is the last page....

Good so it's not just me.

[michelb]

Hey did we come to the end of the line with this thread? It says page 1067 but it will not let me go there? 1066 is the last page....

I've noticed this happening with other threads as well.

I think it's just a bug in the forum software; I believe that when messages are deleted, it doesn't re-adjust the number of pages properly.

[agepag]

Ok then, let's get back to saving money on US cars!!! On a side note, do you thing you will be able to save on US cars that are already in the country? I see alot of these Canadian dealerships with tons of US inventory. For me if I had to buy the same car US vs. Cdn and the price was similar I would go with the Cdn car.......

[rgc97]

Isn't it ironic that Cdn and US prices are much closer, but it's not very satisfying. I am pleased that Cdn prices decreased, but I was looking for more. Now with the decline of our dollar, there isn't the savings to justify importing most new cars. Still, I'm an optimist and am looking forward to next year. Maybe we'll have some great incentives in Canada on cars that people want to buy. Or our dollar could be back into a better range. Time will tell.

[Anonymouse]

I think what is happening now is that the used car prices are creeping back up after the downward pressure from US vehicles disappeared. Dealers can't increase prices on pieces they already have on the lot because there is competition, but as new stock arrives the prices will be pumped up to their previous levels gradually.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Did you have to have holes drilled for them to spray inside your door panels?

Yes. Panels, door jambs, trunk, hood everywhere.

They put a plastic plug in the hole.

My new Subaru has the plugs now too. It needs to go in for a spraying anytime but I noticed that when you wipe away the black "yuck" the underbody and brake lines are shiny new. The suspension links are all still like new.

[cervelott]

What burns me about Acura/Honda is the warranty is not recognized on a U.S. vehicle here in Canada even though the likes of the MDX are built right here in Alliston. You have to appreciate Toyota for honouring the U.S. vehicle's warranty. I think the government needs to step in and go after the likes of Honda and Acura on the warranty issue. It is obviously nothing to do with the warranty and vehicle, everything to do with protecting their Canadian dealers.

[Gabriel Kish]

I just Googled the Jaguar claim since I too am questioning Jaguar's turnaround. The JD Powers award was for "dealer service satisfaction"

http://www.jaguar.com/us/en/latest/news/news/jdpower_csi08.htm

JD Power doesn't recommend this car. They're saying people like the level of service they receive at Jaguar. Why are Jaguars getting serviced? 'Cause most are junk....(IMHO).

The JD Powers quality ratings for Jaguar are pretty low (Kia scored the same):

http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings/quality-ratings-by-brand

The dependability rating ranks Buick higher than Jaguar:

http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings/dependability-ratings-by-brand

Here's the latest good news for Jaguar from J.D. Power

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=jaguar+jd+powers&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=

They just won for customer satisfaction again. While they are no doubt better made cars out there, Jaguar's are are just as good if not better than Mercedes, BMW, and Audi. I'm speaking as a owner with 4 others in my family. 2 have almost 100k on them and have been trouble free. I did have a pre Ford Jag (XJSV12 Coupe) and it was crap but you might as well say it's a completely different company than it was back in the early 90's.

[michelb]

What burns me about Acura/Honda is the warranty is not recognized on a U.S. vehicle here in Canada even though the likes of the MDX are built right here in Alliston. You have to appreciate Toyota for honouring the U.S. vehicle's warranty. I think the government needs to step in and go after the likes of Honda and Acura on the warranty issue. It is obviously nothing to do with the warranty and vehicle, everything to do with protecting their Canadian dealers.

I understand your frustration but there's absolutely nothing the government can do. Although it might be the same company at the top, the companies you are buying the vehicle from aren't the same. If you are buying a US Honda from Honda USA, why should Honda Canada have to warranty it? Why should Honda USA warranty it (you aren't even using it inside their area)? If you buy a Honda in Mexico or in France or Australia, would you expect Honda Canada to warranty that?

It's annoying but same thing applies to electronics or any other goods with a warranty. The companies are selling them in their respective areas and will only warranty them in their respective area.

[vipt2000]

I understand your frustration but there's absolutely nothing the government can do. Although it might be the same company at the top, the companies you are buying the vehicle from aren't the same. If you are buying a US Honda from Honda USA, why should Honda Canada have to warranty it? Why should Honda USA warranty it (you aren't even using it inside their area)? If you buy a Honda in Mexico or in France or Australia, would you expect Honda Canada to warranty that?

It's annoying but same thing applies to electronics or any other goods with a warranty. The companies are selling them in their respective areas and will only warranty them in their respective area.

if it is the case, then HONDA USA should honor the warranty if we drive over the border to get the service done. SO much for free trade :-)

I thought the whole point of NAFTA is allowing goods and services to freely flows so everyonce can benefit.