WOW ---- New cars from US up to 30% cheaper (cost to import under $200)

[noodles]

Just finished importing my 2005 Honda Pilot. Thanks for all the help on here it's really not that difficult and the savings are definately worth the time and effort for me. I saved at least $5K, but probably closer to $8K in the end.

[dumbass]

I'm going to NY to pick up a Mercedes-Benz ML350. Thanks to all of you here, I did all my homework and everything is a go. My only question is Can I pay GST using Credit card? My firend said they only take Interac. I'm using Queenston/Lewiston crossing.
Thanks again!!

You can pay with Visa or Interac....BUT, bring a chequebook with you as a backup.

When I went through that bridge, their VISA & Interac system was down, and a lot of people had no way to pay the GST.

[michelb]

Does anyone have a letter of admissibility from BMW? If so please pm me.

[inspire]

I crossed at Windsor/Detroit (Ambassador Bridge) ... paid 6.1% import duty and 5% GST with my Costco AmEx on Saturday. At least I'm getting cash back ... :)

Not sure how Queenstown/Lewistown works. Good luck.


I'm going to NY to pick up a Mercedes-Benz ML350. Thanks to all of you here, I did all my homework and everything is a go. My only question is Can I pay GST using Credit card? My firend said they only take Interac. I'm using Queenston/Lewiston crossing.
Thanks again!!

[tleblanc]

I'm going to NY to pick up a Mercedes-Benz ML350. Thanks to all of you here, I did all my homework and everything is a go. My only question is Can I pay GST using Credit card? My firend said they only take Interac. I'm using Queenston/Lewiston crossing.
Thanks again!!

Just curious to what Mercedes Canada is going to charge you to import the ML?

Recall Letter/Admissibility letter and what if any conversions are required to meet Canadian/Mercedes Specifications?

Congrats

[ExcelPremium]

Hmm...has anyone imported a BMW recently? Not around Dec/January but later? I was going to but I couldn't set a good deal with the seller.

Has anything changed since? Any mods you have to do?

Planning to pick up a 2006 3-series

Thanks

[HP_John]

I'd like to challenge some of the numbers here ...

What Canadian dealership will sell a G37 for a $3k discount??? They know you're gonna get $4.5k from corporate ... why are they gonna eat their margin? I agree, they will not sell it for MSRP but $3k is far too generous a discount at the dealership level.

What you will save on a G37 is a little more than the calculation provided above. I can attest to this based upon my experience.

People on MyG37 are getting more than $3 K off at Cdn dealers ($4 K is the most but that was on fully loaded), but $3 K is about as much as you can get on a base G37 before rebate. Just like in the US example, where I used $500 below invoice, even though few Cdns got that good a price in the US. I guarantee you the overwhelming majority of Cdns payed more than $500 below invoice on a G37 in the US. In fact, many Cdn G owners are buying from US dealers near the border & are paying way more than they should due to BS excuses about how they can't discount much to Cdns. It's common for Buffalo dealers to sell msrp or near for a G37. Yet since they mistakenly think they're saving so much, & they don't wanna have to drive far, they buy it anyway.

I got my G37 from Infiniti of Fairfield, in California. Even after shipping, I came out thousands of $ ahead of buying from Buffalo. In fact, at 1 pt, Buffalo Infiniti dealers were demanding a $1500 surcharge on top of msrp as they claimed Infiniti would penalize them.

Exactly because everyone should know the rebate is from corporate, that's why they still need to offer discounts. People aren't going to pay full msrp & give the dealer their whole margin when they know the rebate is only coming from the manufacturer. I accounted for a $3800 discount in the US, a much bigger discount as a % of the car's price than the Cdn $3 K.

I saved $8 K by importing a G37, but that was when the rebate was $3 K & Cdn Infiniti dealers were barely dealing. I think imports are a good things, as importers like myself help bring more rebates & incentives into the Cdn market. By us voting with our wallets, we forced them to offer bigger rebates & incentives for Cdns.

[HP_John]

Hmm...has anyone imported a BMW recently? Not around Dec/January but later? I was going to but I couldn't set a good deal with the seller.

Has anything changed since? Any mods you have to do?

Planning to pick up a 2006 3-series

Thanks

Not a lot of people are importing BMWs due to their BS policy of added ripoff fees. On a 3-Series, you'll end up with an extra $2100 + tax in BS fees that most manufacturers don't charge on imports. You also lose your 4 yrs free maintenance. They also make you wait forever to get you the paperwork.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I'm going to NY to pick up a Mercedes-Benz ML350. Thanks to all of you here, I did all my homework and everything is a go. My only question is Can I pay GST using Credit card? My firend said they only take Interac. I'm using Queenston/Lewiston crossing.
Thanks again!!


I paid GST with American Express at Lewiston. They also would take Visa and Master Card.

[Kamloops]

I remember reading that is you purchased a car and then resold it within 7 days? you could apply to get your tax back.

Anyone have a link or more info on this?

[rjmbc]

I just saw in the news that Toyota has announced price increases on certain models at the end of this month. You can find it doing a Google search.

[bulgurc]

That is in states, I am curious what they will do here in Canada...

[jnmontario]

That is in states, I am curious what they will do here in Canada...

continue to gouge. Business as usual.

[Genia11]

That is in states, I am curious what they will do here in Canada...

The increase is relatively small between $200 to $300 depending on the model and it seems to be limited only to the sedans.

I am in the process of importing a 2009 Camry XLE and I think even with the increase, the price difference is still too much to ignore. Besides, I love how easy it is to negotiate with American dealers... compared to Canadians...

[DrXenon]

Has anyone bought a third party warranty for a car whose manufacturer won't give you a warranty in Canada? I'm thinking about an Accord and I'm wondering if there's any way to get warranty-like coverage.

[DrXenon]

Yes, and you can drive around Ontario too while you get the checks and process the paperwork.

It's not entirely clear that one can drive around Ontario with a foreign trip permit. One RFDer in the automotive forum got a ticket and looked into it and it seems that there is an exemption for foreigners coming to Ontario but that residents technically have to have an Ontario trip permit.

I think you can't get an Ontario trip permit unless you already have ownership, so it makes things difficult for us importers.

[michelb]

It's not entirely clear that one can drive around Ontario with a foreign trip permit. One RFDer in the automotive forum got a ticket and looked into it and it seems that there is an exemption for foreigners coming to Ontario but that residents technically have to have an Ontario trip permit.

I think you can't get an Ontario trip permit unless you already have ownership, so it makes things difficult for us importers.

Also you can only get a trip permit within 6 days of date of purchase which makes it really tight considering that the US Customs want 3 days to process export.

Whether you can use a foreign trip permit seems like a gray area. I asked the police in Ottawa before bringing back my car and was told it was fine and I was even stopped on my return trip by the OPP ( for speeding :o ) and it wasn't an issue but others have reported that they were told it's not valid and if you look at the thread in the Cars forum, one RFDer was given a ticket for it ...

[Shaf]

Haven't read the whole thread, but wondering if anyone has found it cheaper to buy a motorbike in the States??

[Rehan]

Haven't read the whole thread, but wondering if anyone has found it cheaper to buy a motorbike in the States?? Use the "Search this Thread" feature and look for motorcycle, bike, motorbike, etc.. :razz:

[bkushner]

The increase is relatively small between $200 to $300 depending on the model and it seems to be limited only to the sedans.

I am in the process of importing a 2009 Camry XLE and I think even with the increase, the price difference is still too much to ignore. Besides, I love how easy it is to negotiate with American dealers... compared to Canadians...

I hear you. One dealer in South Carolina,Toyota, offers lifetime drivetrain warranty, lifetime batteries,free car washes, free rentals, free oil changes yada yada yada. Plus you can check their inventory online and see their selling prices marked down from MSRP. The canadian Toyota websites are fully corporate. Total garbage. Can you PM me the dealer when you are finished?

[Genia11]

I am picking up the car this weekend... I will find out whether the dealer is still selling to Canadians... and if so, then I will share his information with fellow RFD'ers who have helped us quite a bit with this purchase.


I hear you. One dealer in South Carolina,Toyota, offers lifetime drivetrain warranty, lifetime batteries,free car washes, free rentals, free oil changes yada yada yada. Plus you can check their inventory online and see their selling prices marked down from MSRP. The canadian Toyota websites are fully corporate. Total garbage. Can you PM me the dealer when you are finished?

[thenwhat]

I am picking up the car this weekend... I will find out whether the dealer is still selling to Canadians... and if so, then I will share his information with fellow RFD'ers who have helped us quite a bit with this purchase.

I would like to hear more on the dealership too. I am interested in a toyota SUV current.

[paaji]

I am looking for van not very big but just regular size more like this GMC Safari
http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/autoreview/400x266/1990-2005-GMC-Safari-96126121990313.jpg

I don't know whether this is being made anymore or not. Haven't seen new models. Is there any deals in US on these kinds of vans that I can import to canada?? If so please let me know. I am in bc
thanks

[Monsieurmaggot]

From the countless emails I get relating to the Ontario trip permit, the consensus is that you're better off coughing up the $15 bucks to ensure you don't run into any issues.

As far as ownership goes, I can speak from personal experience that my MTO office DIDN'T CARE whether I owned the car or not.

I provided them the make, model and VIN number and I was issued a 10-day permit.

There's no hurry to get the permit. I waited to pick one up the day before I picked up my car. I had 10-days to get it to my driveway.

I got a note from an RFDer who's a Toronto cop who told me that the Ontario permits are only intended to be used for transit or while you take your car in for safeties(if required), emission(if required) and inspection.

You cannot drive the car around in Ontario until it's properly plated. If you're caught driving with a car load of kids with a permit, you will be ticketed.

My insurance company also insisted on me following those rules.

For those thinking you can have a temporary permit and go about your business, you're asking for trouble.

[michelb]

From the countless emails I get relating to the Ontario trip permit, the consensus is that you're better off coughing up the $15 bucks to ensure you don't run into any issues.

As far as ownership goes, I can speak from personal experience that my MTO office DIDN'T CARE whether I owned the car or not.

I provided them the make, model and VIN number and I was issued a 10-day permit.

There's no hurry to get the permit. I waited to pick one up the day before I picked up my car. I had 10-days to get it to my driveway.

...

As mentioned before, it seems that with trip permits, everyone has different experiences.

I tried to get one about 6 weeks ago for our Sienna. They required the US title and bill of sale to issue one. In the end, they denied my application because it had been more than 6 days since I purchased the vehicle (they actually told me to just get another bill of sale but by then I could get my real plates the next day so didn't bother - I'm not even sure if that would have worked anyway since the title had the original date on it anyway).

They might not always enforce the 6 days but it's clearly listed on their website (http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/temp.htm).

In my case it took more than 6 days to get the vehicle shipped so it was never an option. For our other vehicle, we drove back from AZ and took a few weeks to do it so it was never an option either (with that one I ended up driving it with the AZ trip permit for around 2 months and I never had a problem).

[Danno2005]

I am looking for van not very big but just regular size more like this GMC Safari
http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/autoreview/400x266/1990-2005-GMC-Safari-96126121990313.jpg

I don't know whether this is being made anymore or not. Haven't seen new models. Is there any deals in US on these kinds of vans that I can import to canada?? If so please let me know. I am in bc
thanks

They were discontinued in 2005 (I think). Only option is a used one if you really want this model.

Check eBay Motors.

[mohitk]

Following is an except from the Nissan Altima warranty booklet for 2008

This warranty is provided to the original and subsequent
owner(s) of a Nissan vehicle originally distributed by Nissan
which is originally sold by a Nissan authorized Nissan
dealership in the United States, and which is registered
in the U.S. and normally operated in the United States
(including Alaska and Hawaii), the United States territories
(specifi cally Guam, Saipan, American Samoa, Puerto Rico
and the U.S. Virgin Islands), and Canada.
■ This warranty is generally transferable from the original
‘owner other than a Nissan dealer’ (OWNER) to
subsequent owners of the vehicle at any time ownership of
the vehicle is transferred, without any action on your part;
except that this warranty is not transferable but is instead
void if during the first six months after delivery to the original
OWNER: (1) ownership of the vehicle is transferred from
the original OWNER, and (2) the vehicle is registered
outside of the United States.

Going by this, any Nissan that is 6 months or more old should have a transferable warranty. APA on the other hand says that Nissan has no warranty at all.

Which one is to be believed here?

[shopper-X]

Following is an except from the Nissan Altima warranty booklet for 2008



Going by this, any Nissan that is 6 months or more old should have a transferable warranty. APA on the other hand says that Nissan has no warranty at all.

Which one is to be believed here?

This is what I thought until some forum members said that Nissan changed it at the beginning of the year to no warranty.

I have not called Nissan to confirm as I have already purchased a Subaru.

[tvault23]

I called Nissan Canada last week about this and they advised that any vehicle that has been in service for more than 6 months in the US will have a valid warranty in Canada.

[mohitk]

I called Nissan Canada last week about this and they advised that any vehicle that has been in service for more than 6 months in the US will have a valid warranty in Canada.
Thanks! Will call and confirm but you have just opened up Nissan Altima as a very possible option for me!

[brew99]

Following is an except from the Nissan Altima warranty booklet for 2008



Going by this, any Nissan that is 6 months or more old should have a transferable warranty. APA on the other hand says that Nissan has no warranty at all.

Which one is to be believed here?

I don't think the APA has the proper update.

I called Nissan Canada, and they said it is transferrable as long as it has been previously owned for 6 months. If you buy new, you will not be covered until after 6 months of ownership.

[scouzi]

Following is an except from the Nissan Altima warranty booklet for 2008



Going by this, any Nissan that is 6 months or more old should have a transferable warranty. APA on the other hand says that Nissan has no warranty at all.

Which one is to be believed here?

I called and there is a warranty after six months in the US. If you sell it within 6 months in Canada (after import) the warranty will be voided also.

The APA information is not consistent with what Nissan says when you call.

Sorry about the almost identical post as above!

[HacheyImports]

On another note, I see the pressure creeping in with some manufacturers. I know, I know...we won't sell to Canadians for export is the company line..

That said, it is being offered to find an address in the US to help sell me new cars....by the salesman. I am always wary and will only do this if other options are exhausted, but still and all it seems the economy is making some down south desperate. Even BMW is offering to help avoid the admissibility letter...hmmm. RiV wouldn't cooperate, but it was interesting that some of the arrogance was missing.

Unless you want a Prius. I have had...a total of 7 clients contact me this past week alone and lots of frustration with pricing. Deals are still out there, but plenty of Toyota dealers are asking up to $2500.00 over MSRP on them right now. Sure hope those batteries hold up over the long run...

Take care

[msags]

Hi Folks,
I’ve been monitoring this thread over the last few months and am looking at buying a used vehicle from Seattle to bring back to Alberta. What I was thinking of doing was bringing the car up to Vancouver and visiting family for a few weeks then bring it back to Calgary…Anyone know how long I have to bring the car back to Alberta and register it and what problems I might run into as I’ve read about the problems on the Eastern side. I apologize if it’s been discussed already but I did a search multiple times and can’t seem to find anything on time frames.
Thanks in advance for your help. I will post my experience once the process is complete. :razz:

[atorontoguy]

Does anyone know if there is any US custom in NY State that will open 24 hour by 7, or at least on the weekend? My friend has bought a vehicle in Delaware and is planning to get back to Toronto over the weekend. I think both the Buffalo and Alexandria Bay only open M-F 8am-4pm.

On the other hand, when the title is faxed to the border (e.g. Buffalo or Alexandria Bay), does the 72 hours include weekend, or it is strictly weekdays? That will help too.

Thanks.

[krazykanuck]

does the 72 hours include weekend, or it is strictly weekdays? That will help too.

Thanks.

Strictly business days....

My entry point took 2days to process the paperwork, all depends on their volume.

[mangoman]

Using the "Search This Thread" tool available in this forum and the keywords "24", "hours" and "crossing", check out the 8th post listed which gives you two choices for US crossings:

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/search.php?searchid=11308528

Of course, you or your friend may want to check what the hours are for the corresponding Cdn crossing or choose to stay on the US side and drive to a Cdn crossing that is open when you decide to cross.

As for the 72 hrs, it seems to vary by crossing, so I would call and confirm with the particular crossing that you are deciding to send the paperwork to (maybe try the search this thread tool to see what others have experienced there too).

Does anyone know if there is any US custom in NY State that will open 24 hour by 7, or at least on the weekend? My friend has bought a vehicle in Delaware and is planning to get back to Toronto over the weekend. I think both the Buffalo and Alexandria Bay only open M-F 8am-4pm.

On the other hand, when the title is faxed to the border (e.g. Buffalo or Alexandria Bay), does the 72 hours include weekend, or it is strictly weekdays? That will help too.

Thanks.

[derslade]

A friend wintering in the south was looking at a 2007 Infiniti FX35 for US$29 900. With a Canadian Gold book price of $46 000, he thought it to be a pretty good deal.

I did some checking on Canadian online for sale ads and discovered a dealer bringing them across the border and selling them here in Canada for the low $30k. For the small price difference, it just wasn't worth the aggravation of bringing it across yourself.

My guess is that it was a lease return. Anyone know how the average joe can access American lease return sales?

[kergoz]

I have started looking into buying a 2007/2008 Sienna from the USA. However after having sent many emails to dealers I have only had 2 replies and both will only sell pre-owned vehicles and they have none right now. Can anyone here give me references to Toyota dealers or even independant dealers that they have used in the eastern USA and were happy with the service. As well I was wondering how many people here were able to get a price below the US MSRP..I have read that in the USA the dealers are more willing to negotiate up from the invoice price.

My email address is kergoz@yahoo.com

[kergoz]

I have read extensively on how to muy a car in the usa but a few details bother me. It seems that most people are wiring down the full amount of payment to the dealer before even seeing the car..is that not dangerous? I would much prefer sending a deposit then bringing a draft with me to get the car..is that possible? If you send all the money and then show up and find out you arent getting the car you asked for then what?
As well does the dealer send a faxed copy of the title with your name on it right away or after he receives the wire transfer? The DMV title..is this a standard document..I dont even know what one looks like..how do I knoe if the dealer is giving me the correct one?
How do you verify if there are any liens on a pre-owned vehicle - is a Carfax report enough?
This probably sounds naive but I have only bought 2 cars in my life..I want to make sure that I have the right documents before I send off 28,000 dollars to a foreign country for a car I havent even seen.

[kind16]

I am picking up the car this weekend... I will find out whether the dealer is still selling to Canadians... and if so, then I will share his information with fellow RFD'ers who have helped us quite a bit with this purchase.


Waiting for you sharing...

[icecanadian]

I know Autoplace is one that sells Infiniti, but other than that, what's the next closest dealership for Infinitis? I'm interested in buying an Infiniti G35 sedan. Seems like they have a monopoly in the region which only means I am at their mercy in terms of pricing.

Thanks in advance for your replies everyone.

[dogdog]

I am an infrequent poster, but very frequent follower of this thread, and after three aborted deals, have finally driven my new 2008 Sienna across the border! Thanks to all who have provided valuable information on how to get this done and save me somewhere in the order of $10k. I'll post the final tally when I get my form 2 stamped!

Good luck everyone who is still waiting to pull the trigger!

[PrimeBane]

Hi Folks,
I’ve been monitoring this thread over the last few months and am looking at buying a used vehicle from Seattle to bring back to Alberta. What I was thinking of doing was bringing the car up to Vancouver and visiting family for a few weeks then bring it back to Calgary…Anyone know how long I have to bring the car back to Alberta and register it and what problems I might run into as I’ve read about the problems on the Eastern side. I apologize if it’s been discussed already but I did a search multiple times and can’t seem to find anything on time frames.
Thanks in advance for your help. I will post my experience once the process is complete. :razz:

I image you'll need two "in transit" permits. One to get you from Seatle to Vancouver and one to get you from Vancouver to Calgary. I think you can probably buy two in Alberta before you leave.

Here's where I bought mine from in February to bring my Outlook back from Minneapolis.
http://crowfootplates.com/Motorvehicle3.htm#Intransit

[HP_John]

I know Autoplace is one that sells Infiniti, but other than that, what's the next closest dealership for Infinitis? I'm interested in buying an Infiniti G35 sedan. Seems like they have a monopoly in the region which only means I am at their mercy in terms of pricing.

Thanks in advance for your replies everyone.

Please don't buy a new Infiniti from a Buffalo dealer. They're a rip-off. They don't sell at MSRP to Americans, yet that's what they've convinced Cdns to pay. At 1 pt they were even charging an extra $1600 on top of MSRP to Cdns, claiming they'd (the dealer) would be penalized by Infiniti for selling to Cdns (BS in Infiniti's case).

Dealers farther from the border are much more willing to deal. You'd save nothing buying new from a Buffalo Infiniti dealer.

Cdn G37 base (inc premium & cargo net)
$49 K inc Freight/PDE
- $3 K discount & $4.5 K rebate
= $41.5 K + tax

US G37 Journey w/ premium & cargo net
$39,225 inc destination & handling (MSRP, Buffalo)
+ duty & tax
= $41,617 + tax & miscellaneous fees ($50 wire, $205 riv, $185 drl)

The best you can do on a Cdn base G37 is a $3 K discount before rebate. If you pay MSRP in Buffalo, you don't save $. If you buy farther away, the best deal you do on a US G37 w/ premium & net is $500 below invoice (about $3800 discount). It'll likely cost you time or shipping, but definitely don't give your business to a Buffalo area Infiniti dealer.

[hieppo]

Anyone has dealt with Mazda USA? I need those experienced in buying a new or almost new Mazda. I am looking for CX-9 GT AWD and would like to get the best deal. I prefer the dealer to be relatively close to the Buffalo/Niagara borders. If the deal exist a bit further, I am game.

Please PM me. I would like to ask a couple of questions.

Thanks

[Sloan55]

Does anyone know if there is any US custom in NY State that will open 24 hour by 7, or at least on the weekend? My friend has bought a vehicle in Delaware and is planning to get back to Toronto over the weekend. I think both the Buffalo and Alexandria Bay only open M-F 8am-4pm.

On the other hand, when the title is faxed to the border (e.g. Buffalo or Alexandria Bay), does the 72 hours include weekend, or it is strictly weekdays? That will help too.

Thanks.

Lewiston Bridge counts weekends towards the 72 hour holding period. I.E. if you submit your title on Friday at 9am, then you are able to cross your vehicle at 9am on Monday. They are only open from 8am-4pm thought, and don't try to cross at 3:30pm, there is no guarentee that they will let you through.

[Toyota_Star]

Lewiston Bridge counts weekends towards the 72 hour holding period. I.E. if you submit your title on Friday at 9am, then you are able to cross your vehicle at 9am on Monday. They are only open from 8am-4pm thought, and don't try to cross at 3:30pm, there is no guarentee that they will let you through.

Hi...
72 Hrs includes holidays as well as weekends for 8AM -4PM schedule ?

Thanx

[Sloan55]

Hi...
72 Hrs includes holidays as well as weekends for 8AM -4PM schedule ?

Thanx

Weekends are included, holidays are not.

[atorontoguy]

Lewiston Bridge counts weekends towards the 72 hour holding period. I.E. if you submit your title on Friday at 9am, then you are able to cross your vehicle at 9am on Monday. They are only open from 8am-4pm thought, and don't try to cross at 3:30pm, there is no guarentee that they will let you through.

Thanks for the reply. Has anyone tried counting the weekend? I called the Lewiston Bridge a few times and those officers seem to give conflicting information. One of them said weekend counts and the other said weekend does not count.

[Sloan55]

Thanks for the reply. Has anyone tried counting the weekend? I called the Lewiston Bridge a few times and those officers seem to give conflicting information. One of them said weekend counts and the other said weekend does not count.


Weekends count, we have crossed countless vehicles with titles submitted on Fridays, and have crossed the vehicles on Monday

[sucker4adeal]

Just brought a vehicle from Florida and it is being transported to Seattle as we speak. Once the vehicle gets to Seattle, what do I need to be able to drive the vehicle from Seattle to the Canadian Border in Blaine, WA?

I know I have to get a Binder insurance from ICBC but how do you get a temp tag for driving in WA? I have been told that only cars being pickup and driven away from the lot would get the temp tags because then they would charge taxes. Please advise.

Thanks in advance!!!

[justblaze619]

I haven't read most of this thread yet but from reading the title, I was wondering if it is worth it to buy cars in the states and sell them here (any conflicting laws?) for some extra money.

I would rather make even $1000/car doing this than working 110+ hours doing labour @ $9/hour lol

[michelb]

I haven't read most of this thread yet but from reading the title, I was wondering if it is worth it to buy cars in the states and sell them here (any conflicting laws?) for some extra money.

I would rather make even $1000/car doing this than working 110+ hours doing labour @ $9/hour lol

The biggest problem doing this in Ontario is that there are curbsider laws - not sure how much they enforce them but it's something to keep in mind (technically, there really isn't much to registering as used car dealer except that you need a lot (won't let you do it from your home) which means you have a pretty significant commitment to make (lot, building, staff, etc)).

The other more obvious problem if you do it 'privately' is the tax will come out of your profit - when you import/register in Ontario, you'll pay GST&PST and then your buyer will pay PST again (FYI, I asked this at the Ministry of Transport and they said you can't just re-sell after you import without registering in your name (although maybe it's possible to do it) (actually when we imported our Sienna, I purchased it in my name but wanted to transfer it into my wife's name and they said I had to first register it in my name and then 'give' her the vehicle (tax free since she's my spouse) so that she can register in her name).

Doesn't mean that there's no profit to be made but unfortunately you lose a good chunk of your profit from the PST.

[brew99]

Just brought a vehicle from Florida and it is being transported to Seattle as we speak. Once the vehicle gets to Seattle, what do I need to be able to drive the vehicle from Seattle to the Canadian Border in Blaine, WA?

I know I have to get a Binder insurance from ICBC but how do you get a temp tag for driving in WA? I have been told that only cars being pickup and driven away from the lot would get the temp tags because then they would charge taxes. Please advise.

Thanks in advance!!!

You would need to purchase a 3-day Temp operator permit (TOP) for $30. Not exactly sure where they are available, but it is my understanding that they may even be available in grocery stores, as well as a DMV office. A previous poster had mentioned they may be available at Cost Cutter in Blaine, so try giving them a call.

[Kamloops]

I am buying a new motorcyle in the USA. The dealer is letting me use my Westjet Gold Mastercard. Be great for airmiles.

Was wondering since it also has Extended Warranty Benefits† doubles the original manufacturers warranty period, to a maximum of one additional year would that apply to a motocycle?

[bkushner]

This thread is drying up!! I am trying to buy a camry hybrid but all the American dealers are saying no. I have one in Montana who will deal, but it will have to be ordered and there will be little off msrp. I may have to buy a used one from the states although they are almost the same price as the new ones. No used ones for sale in Alberta! Anyone in the same boat? I saw a dealer in California with 5 hybrids for 22900.00 brand new, but he won't sell to us.

[Genia11]

Okay. This has been an hectic and exciting weekend... we finally picked up our 4 Cylinder 2009 Toyota Camry XLE with leather from a dealer in New York.

So far, this is what we have spent... for the sake of calculation, I have assumed 1:1 conversion rate.

Camry $25,336 (MSRP $28,216)
Dealers Fee $45
NYS Tire Fee $12.50
State Inspection $10.00
Temporary Permit $10.00
Air Conditioning Fee $100.00
GST $1,071.00
PST $2,033.00 (to be paid when registered)
RIV $204.75
Travel for 2 $500
Total $29,522.25

Other fees to be paid:
Canadian Tire Inspection fee
DRL modification

Estimated total $30K

It is kind of hard to know how much we saved exactly, however, having inquired about the SE with similar features in Canada, the all in price I received was $33.5K. Given that the XLE is about $1K more in the US, I will estimate our savins to $4K to $5K. Not a fortune, but nothing to sneeze at.

My contact has given me permission to share his contact, however, I am willing to share only with fellow RFDers who have at least a number of posts. This is to protect my contact as I don't want him to get in trouble with Toyota US (in case we have spies in the forum).

Again, thank you all for your help. This has been a great experience.

[Marzipan]

Just brought a vehicle from Florida and it is being transported to Seattle as we speak. Once the vehicle gets to Seattle, what do I need to be able to drive the vehicle from Seattle to the Canadian Border in Blaine, WA?

I know I have to get a Binder insurance from ICBC but how do you get a temp tag for driving in WA? I have been told that only cars being pickup and driven away from the lot would get the temp tags because then they would charge taxes. Please advise.

Thanks in advance!!!

Here is a message I got from WA state on that point;

Mr. E******:
Thank you for your e-mail to the Washington State Department of
Transportation (WSDOT) asking about obtaining a trip permit for
Washington State.

Please contact our Motor Carrier Services Office at 360-704-6340. They
will be able to help you obtain a permit.

Again, thank you for taking the time to write to us.


K***** C******
HQ Customer Service
WSDOT Communications
PO Box 47322
Olympia, WA 98504-7322
hqcustomerservice AT wsdot.wa.gov

[Toyota_Star]

Weekends are included, holidays are not.

Thank you all...

I have few questions and situation explained below.

Hi ..
My friend bought a new car for me in US and registered in his name. Now i wanted to import it into Canada.
Here is few questions based on the above scenario...

1. He will sell the car to me by changing to my name on the Title and will prepare a Bill of sale and he is okay with driving me this Car to border with his number plate. Is it okay, in driving the car with US plate with my friends name?

2. If US customs okay with the above, suppose I imported the car successfully at Canadian customs, can I drive same US plated car to Toronto after the customs clearance, with my own insurance on the car?

3. Is it still legal in driving my friends car US and Canada with my insurance on the new car? Is there any issue, if police pull over me for just for routine checking?

Your reply would be really helpful.

Thanks

[Nitrate]

You would need to purchase a 3-day Temp operator permit (TOP) for $30. Not exactly sure where they are available, but it is my understanding that they may even be available in grocery stores, as well as a DMV office. A previous poster had mentioned they may be available at Cost Cutter in Blaine, so try giving them a call.
That previous poster may have been me. There's a small licensing office inside Cost Cutter in Blaine -- make a left on H Street at the light just past the Pacific Truck Crossing. The DMV is really just a counter with a small office space behind it, just inside the door, similar to how most Customer Service counters look like.

You (the original poster of the question) would need to buy this temp permit for $29 (cash) before picking up your vehicle. I suggest you bring some tape with you -- or buy it at Cost Cutter if you forget -- to attach it to the back window.

Although you need the binder insurance, you don't need a separate BC TOP. This Washington temp permit is valid in BC until its expiry, which is 3 days. You specify the 3 days on the permit. Actually you specify everything on the permit, the ladies at the licensing office just need your driver license and your money. I would assume they could not care less what you use the blank form for. They don't verify any of the information you write on there.

When you go for your RIV inspection (when Form 2 arrives), this WA temp permit is most likely expired. That's when you go get a BC TOP to be able to drive your vehicle on BC streets. Hopefully you purchased a 10-day ICBC binder insurance so you should still be insured. (1-day vs 10-day has same price - $77).

Anyway, call the Blaine Cost Cutter licensing office to verify their working hours:

Blaine Cost Cutter Licensing
Blaine International Ctr, 1733 H St. #100
Blaine WA
360-332-7089
M-F: 10-6 Sat: 10-5 (as of last April 2008)

Regards.

[CheapScotsman]

This thread is drying up!! I am trying to buy a camry hybrid but all the American dealers are saying no. I have one in Montana who will deal, but it will have to be ordered and there will be little off msrp. I may have to buy a used one from the states although they are almost the same price as the new ones. No used ones for sale in Alberta! Anyone in the same boat? I saw a dealer in California with 5 hybrids for 22900.00 brand new, but he won't sell to us.Try via a US based auto broker

[stock_junkie]

I just completed my 2nd import! Last year I bought a 2008 Toyota Highlander Sport but started having second thoughts as gas started climbing and predictions of $2 gas started popping up, so I sold it for a $1000 profit. Yesterday I got my sticker from RIV saying that the 2008 Prius I imported 3 weeks ago is officially Canadian. Much better gas mileage! :lol: I had good timing on this purchase because I was able to pick it up with package #5 at below MSRP for just under US$25,000 and apparently now they are hard to find and some are going for $2500 OVER MSRP with the current demand. Saved myself $4000 over buying in Canada after exchange rates, duty, taxes and rebates taken into consideration.

Feel free to send me a PM if you want more details on dealing with a great salesman at a great Toyota dealership that's relatively close by in Pennsylvania.

[nornet]

I am buying a new motorcyle in the USA. The dealer is letting me use my Westjet Gold Mastercard. Be great for airmiles.

Was wondering since it also has Extended Warranty Benefits† doubles the original manufacturers warranty period, to a maximum of one additional year would that apply to a motocycle?

I had a similar question regarding a plasma TV purchase with a Visa card. Visa couldn't answer my directly so they put me in touch with their insurance underwriter. During the second year of warranty I pay for all repairs and submit my invoices to Visa who reimburses me. In my discussion with the insurance agent I received the impression cars weren't covered (but then who has a 1 year warranty on a new vehicle;) ). If I recall correctly their coverage is worded consumer products and household items. I would also suspect that motorcycle are excluded (I'm assuming you get a 12 month warranty otherwise you wouldn't be asking you question.)
Check the MasterCard website, it's probably spelled out there.
If you could PM me the dealers name, I'd appreciate it as I've tons of points. I'm looking for a touring bike.
Did you have to "negotiate" with the dealer to use the points?

[michelb]

I am buying a new motorcyle in the USA. The dealer is letting me use my Westjet Gold Mastercard. Be great for airmiles.

Was wondering since it also has Extended Warranty Benefits† doubles the original manufacturers warranty period, to a maximum of one additional year would that apply to a motocycle?

Although it's pretty cool to get the air miles, I'd confirm with the dealer that he won't give you a 'cash discount' (CC probably costs him 2% - even if you get 1% off the price, it's probably better return than the airmiles (it depends a lot on the flights you take but I think the air miles 'return' is only about 0.5% or less).

More importantly, I'd confirm the exchange rate that MC will give you, I suspect that it's not as good as the 'posted' bank exchange rate and way worse that the rate at xe.com or TD Borderless or other preferential rates.

[RandyOhhh]

I have found the vehicle of my dreams but it's from a private seller so I can several questions that I'd like to ask... I know I can probably find the answers by looking through this thread but I don't have 2 weeks to spare :)

I know many of you have had experiences with flying down and driving back... So if I could pick your brain it would be much appreciated.



1) How does the "title" system work? Is the title issued to the owner of the vehicle or the person/bank/company that holds the loan?

2) What is the procedure to get the title changed to my name? Is that only done once I'm back in Canada?

3) I have heard that I can have the title faxed to the customs office, is this true? Does the title need to be my name or the current owner's?

4) What is the best way to conduct the payment? Certified check? Wire transfer?

5) I'm not 100% sure how the temporary plates (tags) work? Are they good across multiple states?

6) Is there anything I should do to protect myself in this purchase?



Thank you in advance!!!

Randy

[Swiguy]

If it is used, there should be no problem.
I just bought a 2007 VW GTI. I will be bringing it back next week. Had originally bought a 2008 vw rabbit in NH but had to back out of deal because of build delays in Germany. I used our NY address to purchase that car. The GTI is essentially the same car as the audi a3 except comes with a lower price. There are lots of them for sale but mostly used. Although, there a still many low mileage ones available. Indeed this is the route I chose. I got a package 2 gti with navigation and only 4000 miles for $22000. It is a VW exec's car that is 6 months old and comes with two year certified used warranty that comes into effect when the original warranty runs out in 3 years. Same vehicle here would cost $39000 new.

That's not bad at all. Did you pay $22k plus GTS, PST, Duty etc?

[Nitrate]

I have found the vehicle of my dreams but it's from a private seller so I can several questions that I'd like to ask... I know I can probably find the answers by looking through this thread but I don't have 2 weeks to spare :)

I know many of you have had experiences with flying down and driving back... So if I could pick your brain it would be much appreciated.



1) How does the "title" system work? Is the title issued to the owner of the vehicle or the person/bank/company that holds the loan?

2) What is the procedure to get the title changed to my name? Is that only done once I'm back in Canada?

3) I have heard that I can have the title faxed to the customs office, is this true? Does the title need to be my name or the current owner's?

4) What is the best way to conduct the payment? Certified check? Wire transfer?

5) I'm not 100% sure how the temporary plates (tags) work? Are they good across multiple states?

6) Is there anything I should do to protect myself in this purchase?



Thank you in advance!!!

Randy
1) The title is issued to the owner of the vehicle. I used to live in the States and took out a loan on my Corolla. I didn't get the title until I fully paid off the loan.

2) Titles are only issued in States. Not sure about other provinces, but here in BC, we only get an "owner's certificate" in our name. It is part of our insurance papers. If the vehicle is imported and came with a US Title (or MSO), the title or MSO is surrendered at the time the vehicle is insured and plated. To transfer the vehicle in your name, you need 1) the Bill of Sale and 2) the back of the title must be signed over to you by the current owner (the person holding the title). I think some states require that the signed title must also be notarized.

3) You need to fax at least the front of the title. Some customs offices may require the back too (but that was not my experience). The front of the title will not have your name on it, so it doesn't matter whether it's been signed over to you at the time it is faxed to US Customs.

4) If it's a broker or dealer, they usually require a wire transfer. If it's a private sale, I would not pay a single cent until I see the car and papers are in order.

5) You need to buy the temp permits before you pick up the vehicle. Some states have reciprocity agreements where you can buy a single multi-state permit from one state, pay a single fee, and it's valid across the states you need to travel in. You don't worry about paying each state their fees, the reciprocal states take care of divvying up the proper monies between them. I don't know if the state you're travelling in has this type of setup, so it's best to check with their DMV.

6) Before you leave, get Canadian insurance for your vehicle. Here in BC, the ICBC binder insurance is valid in the States even when the vehicle needs to be stored or parked for a few days (for example, vehicle was shipped early, you're still waiting for some papers, waiting for the 3-day turnaround at Customs, etc.). That is, as long as the vehicle is not parked on the street, or so I've been told by insurance agents.

[paul29]

Can anyone tell me if they have to pay State tax on a vehicle purchase in Maryland . Have read all the posts I can find on this site but cannot find the answer to that question . Thanks

[Kamloops]

Just completed the Purchase of two new Yamaha FZ6 bikes. After all said and done saved $2000.00 per bike.

I am happy about that.

I do feel sorry for the Dealers in Canada. They must be losing so much business to the USA.

[mikeroyal]

I haven't read most of this thread yet but from reading the title, I was wondering if it is worth it to buy cars in the states and sell them here (any conflicting laws?) for some extra money.

I would rather make even $1000/car doing this than working 110+ hours doing labour @ $9/hour lol


Well I am doing exactly that I am just about to drop ½ million in opening up a new business yes you have to be a registered car dealer with a premises. I will be stocking around 30 cars for immediate purchase, all provincially and federally inspected and ready to go. Alternatively, we will buy to order having access to thousands of vehicles weekly only asking for a 20% deposit and the balance on collection from BC.
I have personally imported A Honda Pilot 2 years ago an Acura MDX and my present car a 2000 Corvette. Lots of money to be saved.
Very comprehensive bumper to bumper warranties up to 84 months from $1099 no limit on claims. I can also supply warranties to your own vehicles import or not.

[Toyota_Star]

Thank you all...

I have few questions and situation explained below.

Hi ..
My friend bought a new car for me in US and registered in his name. Now i wanted to import it into Canada.
Here is few questions based on the above scenario...

1. He will sell the car to me by changing to my name on the Title and will prepare a Bill of sale and he is okay with driving me this Car to border with his number plate. Is it okay, in driving the car with US plate with my friends name?

2. If US customs okay with the above, suppose I imported the car successfully at Canadian customs, can I drive same US plated car to Toronto after the customs clearance, with my own insurance on the car?

3. Is it still legal in driving my friends car US and Canada with my insurance on the new car? Is there any issue, if police pull over me for just for routine checking?

Your reply would be really helpful. I am desperately looking for an answer on this, since I am planning to bring the vehicle by next week.

Thanks

[Kamloops]

Thank you all...

I have few questions and situation explained below.

Hi ..
My friend bought a new car for me in US and registered in his name. Now i wanted to import it into Canada.
Here is few questions based on the above scenario...

1. He will sell the car to me by changing to my name on the Title and will prepare a Bill of sale and he is okay with driving me this Car to border with his number plate. Is it okay, in driving the car with US plate with my friends name?

2. If US customs okay with the above, suppose I imported the car successfully at Canadian customs, can I drive same US plated car to Toronto after the customs clearance, with my own insurance on the car?

3. Is it still legal in driving my friends car US and Canada with my insurance on the new car? Is there any issue, if police pull over me for just for routine checking?

Your reply would be really helpful. I am desperately looking for an answer on this, since I am planning to bring the vehicle by next week.

Thanks


It is not legal for a Canadian to drive a US plated car in Canada unless the car is in the process of been imported, so in your case yes it is legal. Just make sure you have all the paper work from Customs in case you get pulled over.

[nazawale]

I believe you can obtain a TOP mean temporary operator permit from DMV. I have the same question in this thread.

[dogdog]

Thanks everyone! My new Sienna was plated today without a hitch.

So the final tally:

2008 Toyota Sienna 8 passenger LE with package#2, alloy wheels, DRL, Tow package, all weather mats, first aid kit, and cargo net.

Price including Freight/PDI, doc fees, trip permits, foreign exchange charges and bank fees:
$25634.85
GST & PST & Other Fees: $3131.49
RIV and Inspections: $313.40
Insurance Binder: $50
Transport to and from US: $167.79
Meals/accomodation/transport while there: $236.66

Total: $29 535.19

Days lost: one evening spent with friends in Seattle, one morning and afternoon to get home, one morning spent at inspections and registration. No days of work lost.

Amount that I would pay for the equivalent vehicle in Canada using Toyota's wonderful no negotiating ACCESS TOYOTA program:

$41 537.37

Amount saved: $12 002.18

Special thanks to all those who have made it their personal mission to assist all of us: Monsieu Maggot, the folks at CWB, and Niceguy1234 who published his step by step process on this forum.

[Nitrate]

Thank you all...

I have few questions and situation explained below.

Hi ..
My friend bought a new car for me in US and registered in his name. Now i wanted to import it into Canada.
Here is few questions based on the above scenario...

1. He will sell the car to me by changing to my name on the Title and will prepare a Bill of sale and he is okay with driving me this Car to border with his number plate. Is it okay, in driving the car with US plate with my friends name?

2. If US customs okay with the above, suppose I imported the car successfully at Canadian customs, can I drive same US plated car to Toronto after the customs clearance, with my own insurance on the car?

3. Is it still legal in driving my friends car US and Canada with my insurance on the new car? Is there any issue, if police pull over me for just for routine checking?

Your reply would be really helpful. I am desperately looking for an answer on this, since I am planning to bring the vehicle by next week.

Thanks
Here's my take on this. While living/working in New Jersey temporarily in the late 80's, I owned two cars. I had the experience of selling the 1st car (1981 Corolla) to an American in a private sale and importing the 2nd car (1990 Corolla) to Canada.

Ordinarily when a car is sold, the seller removes his original plates from the vehicle and the buyer affixes his state temp permit which allows him to drive it away until he can get it insured and plated in his/her name. That's what we did when I sold my '81 Corolla. So I would think that it's probably for the best if you purchased a US state temp permit in your name and removed the US plates when you drive it back to the border. You have in your possession the title signed to you as well as the bill-of-sale, so everything should be in order with any routine police check. Just make sure that your state permit is valid in the Canadian province you're entering. Otherwise, you would also need a provincial temp permit.

I think that should answer all of your questions.

[Kamloops]

Here's my take on this. While living/working in New Jersey temporarily in the late 80's, I owned two cars. I had the experience of selling the 1st car (1981 Corolla) to an American in a private sale and importing the 2nd car (1990 Corolla) to Canada.

Ordinarily when a car is sold, the seller removes his original plates from the vehicle and the buyer affixes his state temp permit which allows him to drive it away until he can get it insured and plated in his/her name. That's what we did when I sold my '81 Corolla. So I would think that it's probably for the best if you purchased a US state temp permit in your name and removed the US plates when you drive it back to the border. You have in your possession the title signed to you as well as the bill-of-sale, so everything should be in order with any routine police check. Just make sure that your state permit is valid in the Canadian province you're entering. Otherwise, you would also need a provincial temp permit.

I think that should answer all of your questions.

The last time I bought a car back the seller left the Washington State plates on it which were still valid. I drove home with them on. I have a insurance binder from ICBC.

I did not need any trip permits ot anything. It is LEGAL to drive with USA plates as a Canadian in Canada as long as the car is in the import process.

Plus my friend came with me as he purchased a boat at the same time which I towed back with the Durango I got. He is an RCMP member and said I was perfectly legal doing this.

[Dr.Evil]

I am looking to purchase a new 2008 or 2009 Tundra 4x4 Crewmax limited, I am in Calgary Alberta. I need to find some dealers in U.S that are willing to deal to Canadians, anyone from Alberta that dealt with a Toyota dealer in States that is not too far away from the border. Please pm me the dealer info.

Thanks

[Toyota_Star]

The last time I bought a car back the seller left the Washington State plates on it which were still valid. I drove home with them on. I have a insurance binder from ICBC.

I did not need any trip permits ot anything. It is LEGAL to drive with USA plates as a Canadian in Canada as long as the car is in the import process.

Plus my friend came with me as he purchased a boat at the same time which I towed back with the Durango I got. He is an RCMP member and said I was perfectly legal doing this.

Thanks to Nitrate and Kamloops for the valuable information and its really helpful in my car import process.

Thanks

[mangoman]

Not sure about the legality on the Cdn side but isn't that illegal in the US? Most of the state DMV sites I've checked say that you have to remove the plates as soon as the seller has sold the car. I would imagine that if you got into a fender bender, you'd actually get into some legal trouble, no?

The last time I bought a car back the seller left the Washington State plates on it which were still valid. I drove home with them on. I have a insurance binder from ICBC.

I did not need any trip permits ot anything. It is LEGAL to drive with USA plates as a Canadian in Canada as long as the car is in the import process.

Plus my friend came with me as he purchased a boat at the same time which I towed back with the Durango I got. He is an RCMP member and said I was perfectly legal doing this.

[DrXenon]

It is LEGAL to drive with USA plates as a Canadian in Canada as long as the car is in the import process.


With respect, I think you are wrong about this, at least in Ontario. I think the governing section of the highway traffic act is section 15, subsections 1-4. There is nothing in there that would allow you to drive without a valid Ontario permit.

In particular, an officer is not going to look kindly on your driving with someone else's plates!

[pulsar]

Concerning license plates:

It may be different state to state but in Washington State, the plates stay with the vehicle that is sold. It is quite different from Canada where the plates belong to the owner.

[Honda-sucks]

Just read on yahoo.ca that car dealers are searching your credit while you test drive a vehicle without your consent !!! This is done so they can gouge you even more knowing that you have good credit and a few $$$. The Automobile Protection Association has confirmed this. Where is the Canadian Dealers Association now Huh ????????????? Slimebags.

[mangoman]

Toyota_Star, if it's your friend that's selling you the car, why not get a temp. plate from the MTO using a bill of sale dated within 6 days of bringing the car over and then slap it on when you cross the border? Safer and would prevent some overly eager OPP officer from ticketing you and forcing you to tow your vehicle home!

Thanks to Nitrate and Kamloops for the valuable information and its really helpful in my car import process.

Thanks

[Kamloops]

With respect, I think you are wrong about this, at least in Ontario. I think the governing section of the highway traffic act is section 15, subsections 1-4. There is nothing in there that would allow you to drive without a valid Ontario permit.

In particular, an officer is not going to look kindly on your driving with someone else's plates!

I have done it 4 times now with Wash and Oregon plates. Canada Customs will not even allow you to drive into Canada with a USA registered car unless you are importing it. If I am wrong they would not have let me into Canada.
One of my trips I was with an RCMP officer and he said it was fine as long as I could show Valid insurance and the import forms.

A resident of Canada is not permitted to drive a US registered car in Canada unless:

1. The car has been admitted to Canada for permanent
importation and duties and taxes were paid/or waived.
(In this case, the car may have US plates until all the
paperwork is processed by the Registrar of Imported
Vehicles);

[DrXenon]

The permit laws are provincial; in Ontario you definitely need an Ontario trip permit. The law in BC might be different.

That's not to say that you'll definitely get a ticket if you get pulled over in Ontario, but that is the letter of the law as far as I can tell, and that is the experience of one person in the Automotive forum who had to have his car towed when he got caught without a valid Ontario permit.

[Marzipan]

More importantly, I'd confirm the exchange rate that MC will give you, I suspect that it's not as good as the 'posted' bank exchange rate and way worse that the rate at xe.com or TD Borderless or other preferential rates.

Good point about exchange rates on charge cards. It's attrocious ... and good luck trying to find out hom many cents extra they take. My understanding is that it starts with the US bank where the dealer deposits the charge card slip. That might be 2.5 cents or so over/below the end-of-day spot exchange rate.

2.5 cents would be an added importing cost of 2.5%. That would be on top of 1 to 2% true exchange rate discount prevailing last week.

[Nitrate]

Laws vary from province to province and from state to state. Certainly, when I sold my car in New Jersey, the NJ law states that I must surrender the plates to my local DMV after the sale of the vehicle.. It might be different in Washington state. But I would think that the plates are registered to the original owner and are not transferrable on purchase. It might be valid driving with them on (no law against that), but you're still driving a car without a permit in your name.

[Kamloops]

Laws vary from province to province and from state to state. Certainly, when I sold my car in New Jersey, the NJ law states that I must surrender the plates to my local DMV after the sale of the vehicle.. It might be different in Washington state. But I would think that the plates are registered to the original owner and are not transferrable on purchase. It might be valid driving with them on (no law against that), but you're still driving a car without a permit in your name.

Well when you have an RCMP officer beside you saying it is fine then I am not going to argue, I have done it many times.

Its Federal - A resident of Canada is not permitted to drive a US registered car in Canada unless:

1. The car has been admitted to Canada for permanent
importation and duties and taxes were paid/or waived.
(In this case, the car may have US plates until all the
paperwork is processed by the Registrar of Imported
Vehicles);

[Nitrate]

Well when you have an RCMP officer beside you saying it is fine then I am not going to argue, I have done it many times.

Its Federal - A resident of Canada is not permitted to drive a US registered car in Canada unless:

1. The car has been admitted to Canada for permanent
importation and duties and taxes were paid/or waived.
(In this case, the car may have US plates until all the
paperwork is processed by the Registrar of Imported
Vehicles);
There are 2 issues here. And you're only focusing on one. I was talking about the US side of things, i.e. you're driving the newly purchased vehicle with the original tags NOT in your name, therefore you have no permit to drive it. I'm saying that in New Jersey, sellers need to remove their plates, and therefore buyers need to get their own permits. Whether or not, it's valid in Canada is a separate issue. And each jurisdiction has their own quirky laws, it's buyer beware.

[RandyOhhh]

Does anyone know if Canadians are exempt in Kansas?

I called their DMV and I think I confused her to the point of no return. I also visited this Web site (http://www.carburner.com/index.php?title=State_Taxes_and_fees) and that wasn't a help either.

Any input or direction would help!

[bulgurc]

Although DMV collects the tax, they do it on behalf of tax/revenue department. Those are the people you should call.

[RandyOhhh]

Although DMV collects the tax, they do it on behalf of tax/revenue department. Those are the people you should call.

Thanks for the tip... FYI to everyone else:

If you take the vehicle out of the state 7 to 10 days after the purchase, you do not have to pay the state tax on used vehicles.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Thanks for the tip... FYI to everyone else:

If you take the vehicle out of the state 7 to 10 days after the purchase, you do not have to pay the state tax on used vehicles.

You should update the information on www.carburner.com so everyone who goes there can access the information.

Speaking of that site, I noticed that very few RFDers have listed their recent successful imports there.

I know many people have imported cars recently, go to the site and add you name to the ever-expanding list.

If it gets bigger, I will modify the window to break it up into model types.

[DrXenon]

I have done it 4 times now with Wash and Oregon plates. Canada Customs will not even allow you to drive into Canada with a USA registered car unless you are importing it. If I am wrong they would not have let me into Canada.
One of my trips I was with an RCMP officer and he said it was fine as long as I could show Valid insurance and the import forms.

A resident of Canada is not permitted to drive a US registered car in Canada unless:

1. The car has been admitted to Canada for permanent
importation and duties and taxes were paid/or waived.
(In this case, the car may have US plates until all the
paperwork is processed by the Registrar of Imported
Vehicles);

Do you have a link to the text you cited? I googled it but I'm coming up with nothing. If there is an overriding federal law/regulation, we'd all like to hear about it and have a specific citation to give to the police should we be pulled over.

I encourage you to look at sections 20-22 of the BC Motor Vehicle Act. There is no exemption for people in situations like ours. There is an exemption for people ordinarily resident in the US, but that presumably does not apply to us.

[kplange]

I have done it 4 times now with Wash and Oregon plates. Canada Customs will not even allow you to drive into Canada with a USA registered car unless you are importing it. If I am wrong they would not have let me into Canada.
One of my trips I was with an RCMP officer and he said it was fine as long as I could show Valid insurance and the import forms.

A resident of Canada is not permitted to drive a US registered car in Canada unless:

1. The car has been admitted to Canada for permanent
importation and duties and taxes were paid/or waived.
(In this case, the car may have US plates until all the
paperwork is processed by the Registrar of Imported
Vehicles);

Actually, I had done a little bit of research on this subject, as I had a friend of mine with a vehicle registered in Florida at his winter home and wanted to know if he could bring it back to Canada and use it for the summer. I don't have the time to find the official U.S. website, but it boils down to this: You can only bring your U.S. registered car into Canada to deliver goods or passengers to your address then return to the U.S. You're not allowed to keep it past a 30 day period and cannot use it for any other purpose.

[kplange]

You should update the information on www.carburner.com so everyone who goes there can access the information.

Speaking of that site, I noticed that very few RFDers have listed their recent successful imports there.

I know many people have imported cars recently, go to the site and add you name to the ever-expanding list.

If it gets bigger, I will modify the window to break it up into model types.

I attempted to add my name to the list a month ago, but couldn't find a way to do it. Is there some trick that I need to know?

[Nitrate]

I attempted to add my name to the list a month ago, but couldn't find a way to do it. Is there some trick that I need to know?
Are you "kp in BC"? If you are, then I fixed it. There were just some formatting errors. Also added mine before yours.

[RandyOhhh]

Does anyone have experience with states that have electronic titles? This poses a complication with presenting the title to RIV for import.

What should I do?

[Ebola]

I think this thread has been great in helping alot of people save alot of money.

Seeing this trend first hand, I can say you'd have to be crazy to buy most any car from a dealer here in Canada.

I see dealers daily coming back with 6-10-15 vehicles, that they bought off another dealer in the US, and then sell them to Canadians for a profit.

It's one thing to support Canadian buisness, but this isnt really Canadian buisness. The dealers are giving their money to the US, then expect Canadians to give them their money under the guise of supporting the local economy? Please.

[Nitrate]

Does anyone have experience with states that have electronic titles? This poses a complication with presenting the title to RIV for import.

What should I do?
Your issue is not with RIV, since RIV does not need original documents (they just require faxes). Your issue is with US Customs. Below is an excerpt from the Blaine WA customs office information packet (cut-and-pasted "as is"):

"4. What if the state I am purchasing the vehicle in has a paperless title issued?
You will have to wait until you receive the paper title. We are not able to communicate with the states that have paperless titles. We will not be able to start the export process until you have received the paper title."

I don't know how other ports deal with paperless/electronic titles but based on above, it looks like the Blaine crossing cannot deal with paperless/electronic titles at this time.

[Kamloops]

Actually, I had done a little bit of research on this subject, as I had a friend of mine with a vehicle registered in Florida at his winter home and wanted to know if he could bring it back to Canada and use it for the summer. I don't have the time to find the official U.S. website, but it boils down to this: You can only bring your U.S. registered car into Canada to deliver goods or passengers to your address then return to the U.S. You're not allowed to keep it past a 30 day period and cannot use it for any other purpose.


A resident of Canada is not
permitted to drive a US registered car in Canada unless:

1. The car has been admitted to Canada for permanent
importation and duties and taxes were paid/or waived.
(In this case, the car may have US plates until all the
paperwork is processed by the Registrar of Imported
Vehicles);

or

2. The car was temporarily imported by a non-Canadian
resident for his use while visiting Canada AND the
Canadian resident is driving the car, with the non-Canadian
resident present, simply to "share the driving" and the
purpose for using the car is not primarily to benefit the
Canadian resident;

or

3. If a Canadian resident is transporting goods into or
out of Canada from/to the US, he may drive a US registered
vehicle to transport these goods to/from a specific point
in Canada. He will be expected to drive the most direct route
from the border to the destination, drop off/pick up
the goods being transported, and then remove the vehicle from
Canada.

This rule can have some funny consequences. For instance,
if a Canadian from Halifax was visiting Seattle and
decided to rent a car in Seattle to drive to Vancouver
for tourist purposes Canada Customs could stop him
at the border on the basis that he was a Canadian
resident and not entitled to bring a non-Canadian
car into the country.

So, if your friend, unless he was using this car
to bring goods into Canada, would most likely
be stopped at the border.

[Kamloops]

There are 2 issues here. And you're only focusing on one. I was talking about the US side of things, i.e. you're driving the newly purchased vehicle with the original tags NOT in your name, therefore you have no permit to drive it. I'm saying that in New Jersey, sellers need to remove their plates, and therefore buyers need to get their own permits. Whether or not, it's valid in Canada is a separate issue. And each jurisdiction has their own quirky laws, it's buyer beware.

In Wash and Oregon the plates stay with the car. If they are still valid tags then I dont think a trooper will care, but you our right, its buyer beware.

If you have all your paper work and insurance in order you should be fine.

Like I said I drove with an RCMP member and he said it was ok. The car technically was still in the system as belonging to the person I bought it from.

Now I am speaking about buying used and private here in Wash and Oregon.

[Alexo]

I have relatives in WI, RI and PA.
Which state is recommended to avoid (or alleviate) the "Canadian ban" imposed by Toyota et al.?

Thanks.

[DrXenon]

A resident of Canada is not
permitted to drive a US registered car in Canada unless:


Hi Kamloops,

Do you mind giving us a link for that? That way, we don't have to tell the officer "You can't give me a ticket - here, look at what this guy from BC wrote on the INTERNET!!!"

Google can't find that text anywhere except in this thread.

[RandyOhhh]

What is the best course of action to complete a purchase with a private seller? The lien is held by the bank so I assume I wire the money there and notify them in witting that the funds are in exchange for the lien?

So what are the steps?

Fax a bill of sale and receive it back completed?
Wire the money?
Book the flight?

Thanks again!!!!

[michelb]

What is the best course of action to complete a purchase with a private seller? The lien is held by the bank so I assume I wire the money there and notify them in witting that the funds are in exchange for the lien?

So what are the steps?

Fax a bill of sale and receive it back completed?
Wire the money?
Book the flight?

Thanks again!!!!

Check with US Customs that you'll be exporting at to find out what they need first (also since you are in Ottawa, I'm pretty certain that all the US Borders in the area (Odgensburg, Thousand Islands, Champlain, etc) need the actual physical title and do not accept faxes). I've heard that if there's a lien, you can get the bank to issue a 'lien discharge letter' when it's paid off and that Customs might accept that - otherwise I believe in some states, it's written right on the title that there's a lien and you might have to get a new title issued once the lien is removed before you can export.

Worst case scenerio, I think you are looking at this timeline: Get bill of sale, wire / send money. Seller pays off loan. Bank takes a few days to process payment and issues discharge letter. Seller applies for new title (this can take up to a week). Seller sends the new title to you and you courrier it over to US Border (or seller just sends to US border directly). Wait 3 days for US Border to hold title and then you can cross.

[jmlleung]

Has anyone imported a Porsche Cayenne recently? My friend tried to call many Porsche dealers. Most of them are reluctant to sell once he told them that he is importing into Canada. Has anyone got a dealer who is willing to sell? If so, please PM me.

If he didn't tell the dealer, how can he get a recall letter for RIV? Call he call Porsche America or Porsche Canada? Also, is it easy to convert the DRL and change the km -> miles?

Thanks for the help.

[bkushner]

I've read that if you are from one American state and buy a vehicle in another state depending on which state, you can avoid the state tax. Is this true? I told one American dealer I had a Washington state mailbox address and he would sell to me but would charge Washington state tax. Is there a way around this?

[Kamloops]

Hi Kamloops,

Do you mind giving us a link for that? That way, we don't have to tell the officer "You can't give me a ticket - here, look at what this guy from BC wrote on the INTERNET!!!"

Google can't find that text anywhere except in this thread.

I got it emailed to me from an RCMP member. I will ask him

Canada Customs can tell you call them. Its to stop people from not paying the tax.

But just think about it, Its obvious if you are importing it you can drive it in canada. Customs would not let you otherwise.

Canadian law: a Canadian resident cannot drive a US-registered car into Canada - you will be turned back or at worst the car seized (it's a tax-avoidance thing.)

[mangoman]

Depends what state you're talking about - some states have reciprocal agreements with others or will collect at the rate of the state you're from (Rhode Island for example seems to charge tax no matter where you're from but will charge at your home state's rate if it happens to be lower than theirs).

Try a search of this thread with the words "tax" and the state that your dealer is located in to see if anyone on this thread has experienced the same thing. Also try checking the DMV site of the state you're trying to buy in (you'll find that many dealers don't know or pretend not to know about the sales tax rules for their particular state).

I've read that if you are from one American state and buy a vehicle in another state depending on which state, you can avoid the state tax. Is this true? I told one American dealer I had a Washington state mailbox address and he would sell to me but would charge Washington state tax. Is there a way around this?

[bkushner]

I just did the state tax search. Learned a few things. What I am curious about is having an American post office box considered enough by Toyota dealers for them to sell to you? Can I just pretend I am a Washington state resident? Once I mention I am Canadian with the post office box it might dissuade them.
Should I just use that post office box in Washington as my address, buy the car, drive the car to the border and import it? Has anyone done this?

[bkushner]

Well to answer my own question, it looks someone bought an mdx with a friends Florida address. Has anyone tried this with Toyota yet?

[michelb]

I just did the state tax search. Learned a few things. What I am curious about is having an American post office box considered enough by Toyota dealers for them to sell to you? Can I just pretend I am a Washington state resident? Once I mention I am Canadian with the post office box it might dissuade them.
Should I just use that post office box in Washington as my address, buy the car, drive the car to the border and import it? Has anyone done this?

When I asked I was told no. They told me that they not only need a US address but they also need a driver's licence in your name at that address (and I don't believe most states will allow you to use a post office box for a drivers licence - they require a physical location).

[bulgurc]

I doubt PO box will do it.
Depends on the dealership, but some dealers might sell to you if you can prove US insurance. Some insurance companies will sell you a policy with a Canadian driver license, if you tell them you will be moving to US. Car will be sold to a US address then. You can always cancel the US policy after you pick up the car.
That is how I did it, with the salesman's advice...

[bkushner]

Sneaky. I just sent out 10 requests for quotes but I used shaw.ca as my email.
I should probably not do that next time. This is harder than it looks for a new Toyota.

[Genia11]

Often, the problem is not whether you have a US address or not... some dealers will force you to register... which,even if they don't charge state taxes, the DMV will.

The trick is to get the dealer to release the MSO/MCO. I was told by a dealer that they were unwilling to release it directly to me, but will send it to the DMV office of my choice... which would mean that I would have to register the car in the US.

[donjuancarlos]

I've read that if you are from one American state and buy a vehicle in another state depending on which state, you can avoid the state tax. Is this true? I told one American dealer I had a Washington state mailbox address and he would sell to me but would charge Washington state tax. Is there a way around this?

Yes. have a friend in a neighboring state purchase the car for you (as I did). Then there usually is a state form to fill out in which the purchaser agress that they will move the car out of the state (within the next month or two) and register it elsewhere. Then you take the car out of the country without ever registering it anywhere in the US. If the dealer won't give you the MCO, you just move on to the next dealer.

[CheapScotsman]

Well to answer my own question, it looks someone bought an mdx with a friends Florida address. Has anyone tried this with Toyota yet?Most toyota dealers are going to ask for a US driver license which is going to be hard to get (you'll have to surrunder your CDN license to get one)

Rather than spending the effort doing that, spend the effort findind a US based auto broker who can sell you the Toyota you want. You will even get it below MSRP

[kplange]

Are you "kp in BC"? If you are, then I fixed it. There were just some formatting errors. Also added mine before yours.

Thanks, Nitrate. That was me and I'm happy to be on the list.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I attempted to add my name to the list a month ago, but couldn't find a way to do it. Is there some trick that I need to know?

It's a WIKI site. Simply select the "Wall of Savers" and select the "edit" tab at the top.

Enter your information and then save it.

Couldn't be easier.

[rjmbc]

Most toyota dealers are going to ask for a US driver license which is going to be hard to get (you'll have to surrunder your CDN license to get one)

Rather than spending the effort doing that, spend the effort findind a US based auto broker who can sell you the Toyota you want. You will even get it below MSRP

Alternatively use a US based Company to buy the car. Solves all this hassle at a very low cost. Also most of the tax free states where you have to register take 4-8 weeks to actually issue the title & you can not bring the car back without the title. Using a company and registering in the proper state can cut this time to 3 days to get the title.

[kind16]

To anyone interested, a Detroit area lexus dealer keeps advertising there used stock here in Windsor. They also offer to pay the duty (6.5% non-NAFTA tax). Prices seems reasonable.

http://www.meadelexus.com/en_US/

Most of the stuff their advertising is late model 04's and 05's.

Did somebody buy a LEXUS from www.meadelexus.com ? How do you feel about this dealer? Thanks

[Genia11]

We have finally plated our 4 Cylinder 2009 Toyota Camry XLE with leather.

To simplify calculation, I have assumed 1:1 conversion rate. So, the final tally is as follow:

Camry XLE $25,336 (including delivery)
Dealers Fee $45
NYS Tire Fee $12.50
State Inspection $10.00
Temporary Permit $10.00
Air Conditioning Fee $100.00
GST $1,071.00
PST $2,033.00
RIV $204.75
Travel for 2 $500 (fly down and drive back)
Total $29,522.25

The experience has been very positive for us. We were able to import the vehicle without a hitch.

Thank you all for your assistance.

[Dano76]

It's a WIKI site. Simply select the "Wall of Savers" and select the "edit" tab at the top.

Enter your information and then save it.

Couldn't be easier.

May not be too easy now....

5/15/08 Due to continued attacks on this web page from spammers, I have temporarily protected the home page and other pages from being edited by unregistered users.

I wonder what kind of spamming bungholios we're dealing with.

[guow_99]

I phoned Riv tow days ago about the status of my form1 and sending them the recall letter for my Acura and I was told recall clearance letter is not required any more for Honda (including Acura). Apparently they can get this from the Honda Web site.

Indeed I got my form2 yesterday without sending them the recall letter. On form2 it says recall documentation has been verified.

[atao]

Congratulations!
Could you please provide me the dealer name and website? I am thinking to buy a new Toyota Sienna from it?
Your help is greatly appreciated.
Thanks,

Adam




We have finally plated our 4 Cylinder 2009 Toyota Camry XLE with leather.

To simplify calculation, I have assumed 1:1 conversion rate. So, the final tally is as follow:

Camry XLE $25,336 (including delivery)
Dealers Fee $45
NYS Tire Fee $12.50
State Inspection $10.00
Temporary Permit $10.00
Air Conditioning Fee $100.00
GST $1,071.00
PST $2,033.00
RIV $204.75
Travel for 2 $500 (fly down and drive back)
Total $29,522.25

The experience has been very positive for us. We were able to import the vehicle without a hitch.

Thank you all for your assistance.

[kind16]

Congratulations!
Could you please provide me the dealer name and website? I am thinking to buy a new Toyota Sienna from it?
Your help is greatly appreciated.
Thanks,

Adam

I also want to know. Hope the dealer is near Buffalo/NY area.

[Monsieurmaggot]

May not be too easy now....



I wonder what kind of spamming bungholios we're dealing with.

I only locked a few pages since some moron (most likely a Canadian Car Dealer) was trying to ply his new wares. In retaliation for losing cars sales to Americans, Canadian dealers are now selling prescriptions to Americans.

[brew99]

Anyone completed the import process through Port Angeles WA and Victoria BC via the COHO ferry? If you have, can you PM me with the details (i.e. hours of operation (Sat/Sun?), US customs location, do you need to stop in Victoria for the Canada Customs, etc). Any info would be of interest

Thanks

[sienna owner]

Most toyota dealers are going to ask for a US driver license which is going to be hard to get (you'll have to surrunder your CDN license to get one)

Rather than spending the effort doing that, spend the effort findind a US based auto broker who can sell you the Toyota you want. You will even get it below MSRP

my Toyota dealer didn't require a US driver's license...she knew i was a CDN buying to export to Canada..just used my cousin's address....also helped a coworker purchase one from same and they used a CA address of a family member

[zircon]

Did somebody buy a LEXUS from www.meadelexus.com ? How do you feel about this dealer? Thanks

There are 2 dealers with this name in metro Detroit. We take our RX there (Southfield) for service. Lakeside is the other one. Excellent service compared to Lexus Windsor. They won;t seel you new stuff, but you can buy anything that has been previously owned. Their prices seem higher than other Lexus dealers in the USA who are not close to the Can border.

[bkushner]

well, the new camry hybrid I bought on ebay from a dealer yesterday in Tucson is now unavailable. They sold it before I could pay for it. Scumbags.
Most of the remaining Toyota dealers won't deal as their holdback is not released until they are registered in the states. The remaining ones that will deal are at msrp. I'm pissed. The used ones are the same price as new ones.

[brew99]

I've got a question about the title from a private seller:

Does the title need to be signed over to the buyer before a faxed copy is sent to US customs, or can the Seller fax a copy of the original Title to the buyer, and then the buyer would fax it to US customs (i.e. in the later case, there would be no signinature of the buyer present on the
faxed copy). Of course, the original would be presented at the border
with the buyer and seller signatures in place. This would help me with the 3-day wait period, as I could fax the Title to the office before even seeing/picking up the vehicle.

[rjmbc]

I've got a question about the title from a private seller:

Does the title need to be signed over to the buyer before a faxed copy is sent to US customs, or can the Seller fax a copy of the original Title to the buyer, and then the buyer would fax it to US customs (i.e. in the later case, there would be no signinature of the buyer present on the
faxed copy). Of course, the original would be presented at the border
with the buyer and seller signatures in place. This would help me with the 3-day wait period, as I could fax the Title to the office before even seeing/picking up the vehicle.


I don't think this is a problem as long as the original & a bill of sale is presented at the border. The copy (fax) is sent to start the 72 hrs ticking and to make sure the discription (VIN No. etc) agrees with what is actually being shipped. They are mainly trying to stop stolen vehicles from being exported.

If you are still in doubt, you could call the office you are crossing at and ask.

[mangoman]

That sucks! Make sure to give them a poor seller's rating/feedback on ebay!
:mad:

well, the new camry hybrid I bought on ebay from a dealer yesterday in Tucson is now unavailable. They sold it before I could pay for it. Scumbags.
Most of the remaining Toyota dealers won't deal as their holdback is not released until they are registered in the states. The remaining ones that will deal are at msrp. I'm pissed. The used ones are the same price as new ones.

[Nitrate]

I've got a question about the title from a private seller:

Does the title need to be signed over to the buyer before a faxed copy is sent to US customs, or can the Seller fax a copy of the original Title to the buyer, and then the buyer would fax it to US customs (i.e. in the later case, there would be no signinature of the buyer present on the
faxed copy). Of course, the original would be presented at the border
with the buyer and seller signatures in place. This would help me with the 3-day wait period, as I could fax the Title to the office before even seeing/picking up the vehicle.
You don't need the title signed over to you before you can fax it. My broker and I were not even in possession of the MSO when I faxed it to US Customs. (When the dealership received the MSO from the port, he faxed it to my broker, who faxed it to me, who faxed it to Customs). Here's what the Blaine Crossing has in their information packet, related to your question:

"1. Do you need originals at the time of application for export?
When you submit the application to our office, it is NOT necessary to send us the originals. A copy of all three of the required documents is sufficient to start the process.

3. Do I need to have the title issued in my name?
No. It is unnecessary for you to have title issued in your name. All that is required is to have the original title and a legal transfer of ownership (bill-of-sale).

10. What is required at the time of export?
You must have ORIGINAL documents at the time of export. We will NOT accept copies of the title or MSO at the time of export. Ensure that you receive the original documents when you pick up the vehicle."

[chinsterr]

I' m hoping on getting my hands on a "REBUILT TITLE" car from the states, and was just wondering if I would have any trouble insuring it in Canada? Has anyone brought a car with a REBUILT title to canada?

This thread has helped me greatly , now its just this insurance problem.

[Alexo]

I have relatives in WI, RI and PA.
Which state is recommended to avoid (or alleviate) the "Canadian ban" imposed by Toyota et al.?

Thanks.

Not to mention, minimize the taxes.

[bkushner]

That sucks! Make sure to give them a poor seller's rating/feedback on ebay!
:mad:
For sure, but I want Ebay to step up and hammer this guy. I don't know if they will. We technically had a contract. It was 2000 under msrp.

[st7860]

For sure, but I want Ebay to step up and hammer this guy. I don't know if they will. We technically had a contract. It was 2000 under msrp.

ebay is not going to force anyone to sell something to you, especially when you didn't pay yet.

the best you can do is leave negative feedback.

[shopper-X]

For sure, but I want Ebay to step up and hammer this guy. I don't know if they will. We technically had a contract. It was 2000 under msrp.

ebay is not going to force anyone to sell something to you, especially when you didn't pay yet.

the best you can do is leave negative feedback.

Depends if the listing mentioned it was for sale privately and if it sold before the auction was over, the auction could be cancelled.
When looking for a Truck for a friend we came across this a lot with auctions placed by car dealers.

I do not know if this is allowed by Ebay but it seems to be very common.

Example: 2006 Volkswagen : Golf GTi 2.0t MkV (http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280221639868) See the "Terms of Sale"

Seller reserves the right to cancel all bids and end an auction early should the vehicle no longer be available for sale.

[bulgurc]

Auctions in eBay can be canceled anytime before it is finished. After it is finished, I think there will be consequences if the do not want to sell to you. I will contact them. What does the dealer say?

[bkushner]

The thing is, he never cancelled the auction. I used the buy it now option. he sent me an email a day later after 5 emails from me saying he had traded it with another dealership. I asked him if he would sell me another like it, he said he had none. I told him I would be following up with ebay, he then said this,
" Although all vehicles are subject to prior sale. Or trade in this case. I will also send them your previous attempts to buy the vehicle while it was still here at a substantially lower price. A clear indication that any offer from you should not be taken seriously."
Quite the idiot. I offered 1000 less than the buy it now price. He never responded so I used buy it now.

[thenwhat]

Well to answer my own question, it looks someone bought an mdx with a friends Florida address. Has anyone tried this with Toyota yet?


"
We cannot sell a new vehicle to a Canadian unless you can meet the following requirements:

The vehicle must be titled to a US address.
The vehicle must be registered and plated at that US address.
The vehicle must remain titled, registered, and plated at that US address for a minimum of 10 days—after which it may be exported

If you can meet these requirements, please call me and I can further discuss the process with you.
"

This is an email replied by a Toyota dealer in MI as I asked him to sell me a new 4runner about 1 week ago.

[bkushner]

Does anyone have an answer to this question?
I am setting up a Montana address. If I can convince an American Toyota dealer to sell, can I register it in Montana with no state tax and then export it to Canada and re register it? The last post mentions plating it, but I don't think that is the norm yet. I think this might satisfy some dealers.

[dunone]

Does anyone have an answer to this question?
I am setting up a Montana address. If I can convince an American Toyota dealer to sell, can I register it in Montana with no state tax and then export it to Canada and re register it? The last post mentions plating it, but I don't think that is the norm yet. I think this might satisfy some dealers.

Keep in mind, that it will take 4-6 weeks to get the title, so you can export.

[michelb]

Does anyone have an answer to this question?
I am setting up a Montana address. If I can convince an American Toyota dealer to sell, can I register it in Montana with no state tax and then export it to Canada and re register it? The last post mentions plating it, but I don't think that is the norm yet. I think this might satisfy some dealers.

Most dealers will be fine if you have a US address and are planning on registering it there (plating is registering ...).

Keep in mind, that it will take 4-6 weeks to get the title, so you can export.

For what it's worth, I've been told that it's only about 1-2 weeks to get Montana title.

[bkushner]

Ok, I guess plating is registering. One dealer said the vehicle has to stay in the US for 4 months after registering or they won't get their holdback now. We'll see. I have a dealer in a NW state checking with his title guy on monday to see if we can work out a deal for 1000 off msrp on the new 09 camry hybrid. I'll let you know.

[Monky]

"
We cannot sell a new vehicle to a Canadian unless you can meet the following requirements:

The vehicle must be titled to a US address.
The vehicle must be registered and plated at that US address.
The vehicle must remain titled, registered, and plated at that US address for a minimum of 10 days—after which it may be exported

If you can meet these requirements, please call me and I can further discuss the process with you.
"

This is an email replied by a Toyota dealer in MI as I asked him to sell me a new 4runner about 1 week ago.


Would the dealer really know if you transfered the title after a day? I doubt they actually check this information. Is there some kind of privacy thing here? Once the US resident buys the car, he can do as he wishes as he owns it. Also, I doubt the dealers will be tracking every single purchase to make sure the car is under the same owners name for 10 days. But maybe I am wrong... Interesting to find out how this works.

[donjuancarlos]

"
We cannot sell a new vehicle to a Canadian unless you can meet the following requirements:

The vehicle must be titled to a US address.
The vehicle must be registered and plated at that US address.
The vehicle must remain titled, registered, and plated at that US address for a minimum of 10 days—after which it may be exported

If you can meet these requirements, please call me and I can further discuss the process with you.
"

This is an email replied by a Toyota dealer in MI as I asked him to sell me a new 4runner about 1 week ago.

This is made up by the dealer to cover his own butt (which is not necessarily a bad thing). Try a few other dealers. When I asked dealers in Utah and Arizona, they just wanted a yankee to buy it.

Warning to the guy setting up the address in Montana: Make sure the dealership will take a Canadian Drivers license. Everyone I talked to wanted the purchaser to have a US drivers license.

[bkushner]

Has anyone tried fleetrates.com?

[bulgurc]

I almost did. But I heard horrible things about them, mostly from Edmunds frorums. They used to aggressively pursue me. When I confronted them about what I heard they never called me again.

[Lonewolf1]

Hi All,

I am looking for Dealerships on the East Coast that will sell to Canadains. At this point the type of vehicle doesn't matter as I am just testing the waters to see who will sell to a Canadian. So far the only one I have found is Keene Subaru in New Hampshire. I currently have a leased Pontiac that will expire in Sept and want to relace it with a purchase in the US. I live the the Nova Scotia region so I would be looking for something in Maine, New Hampshire or Massachusetts (Boston area). Would also consider going as far as New York City. I know a number of folks on this form have emailed many dealers only to get a negative rely back so I don't want to recreate the wheel again. You can PM me with the location/web site if you wish.

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

[kergoz]

Has anyone here had any problems with respect to the payment aspect of the transaction? What assurances/protection and legal rights do we have as a Canadian citizen when we wire large amounts of money to someone in the USA for a product? This is the one part of the whole buying in the USA idea that I am uncomfortable with.

[kergoz]

I have sent numerous emails to dealerships in the USA over the past few weeks and have only really had 3 decent replies. Is this pretty standard..do they just not need the business or do they not take us Canadians seriously. I have found 1 dealership who quoted me some pretty good prices but now they are not responding to me. Perhaps its an email thing..I personally dont like dealing through the phone but maybe this is a better approach.

Another dealer I have been in more regular contact doesnt seem to really answer all my questions which I also find frustrating. He sent me an email
last week saying he had a used Sienna but since then..even after several queries he has given me zero information about it. His responses tend to be 1 line cryptic answers..not impressed.

I guess I am frustratred but I still seem to end up with more questions than answers in the end.

[donjuancarlos]

Has anyone here had any problems with respect to the payment aspect of the transaction? What assurances/protection and legal rights do we have as a Canadian citizen when we wire large amounts of money to someone in the USA for a product? This is the one part of the whole buying in the USA idea that I am uncomfortable with.

Kergoz, it's a large amount of money here and a very serious transaction. No reputable dealer, especially a new car dealer, is going to try and take your money, and not give you a car in return. If you have proof of the transaction, it's upholdable in any US court of law. Why risk your whole dealership to rip off one customer?

Also, concerning your non-responded-to emails, you are probably communicating with experienced salespeople, who adeptly qualify you as a low-probability contact, and therefore don't see fit to respond. If you want replies, say that you are coming down to their city on X date with X in cash to buy X car. You have to make it sound like you know what you are doing and that you are definitely going to do it in a prescribed time period.

[squid]

Has anyone tried fleetrates.com?

I was going to soon. They got a positive review from at least one member of the thread.

At least, they are a good resource for us Canadians as they circumvent the rules of registering/plating.

[uberanch]

"
We cannot sell a new vehicle to a Canadian unless you can meet the following requirements:

The vehicle must be titled to a US address.
The vehicle must be registered and plated at that US address.
The vehicle must remain titled, registered, and plated at that US address for a minimum of 10 days—after which it may be exported

If you can meet these requirements, please call me and I can further discuss the process with you.
"

This is an email replied by a Toyota dealer in MI as I asked him to sell me a new 4runner about 1 week ago.

Don't you need US insurance for that 10 days, or whatever period of time said, when it is under my US friend's name?

I don't see how they can control the transfer of ownership once it is registered. I mean, what can they do if my US friend want to sell me the car on the next day, even at 1/2 the purchase price?

[sonomapete]

Has anyone had success getting a cash back rebate after making a vehicle purchase, or done anything else to try and get the cash ?:?: :?:

[ziploc]

Has anyone had success getting a cash back rebate after making a vehicle purchase, or done anything else to try and get the cash ?:?: :?:

I think that You never see the actual cash....it's already applied on the price of vehicle.....

but those days...manufacturers changed they policy and those rebates are only available to US residents/citizens,

we have to pay MRSP minus dealer rebates if there's some....

[bkushner]

8-10 week waiting list for camry hybrids now. I think I am screwed on this one.
Anyone having any luck?

[jnmontario]

8-10 week waiting list for camry hybrids now. I think I am screwed on this one.
Anyone having any luck?


http://www.driversvillage.com/ou/northsyracuse-toyota/console.do?page=f_used_inventory

In case it doesn't come up. Go to pre-owned. There's a 2007 Camry for sale, $22.5k. If you do go with them ask for John Zavitz. He was the guy that did my Prius. I had NO problems, it was as simple as going down and picking the car up when the paperwork had gone through.

{edit} LOL, nmind. Just noticed you're from Calgary.

[james-007]

It was just on CBC radio this morning in West) Vancouver lots of dealers are going across to the border to purchase used vehicles to resell in Canada. They are saying this will help lower prices in Canada. Is it just me or something stinks in the air?
Public has been saying for at least last 3 years that cars were cheaper in US and the dealers have tried to come up with all kinds of excuses why not to shop across the border. And now?

[Nitrate]

Has anyone tried fleetrates.com?I was going to soon. They got a positive review from at least one member of the thread.

At least, they are a good resource for us Canadians as they circumvent the rules of registering/plating.
Yup, that's how I did it. Not only did I not have to register or plate my US Sienna in the States but I also paid a sweet $2200 lower than US MSRP, no questions asked. My total savings was $10,600 over Canadian dealers (includes all vehicle and personal costs). A buddy of mine bought a very similar Sienna just 2 months before mine from a Bellingham dealership and he paid full MSRP. He's now regretting jumping the gun. But he only waited 5 days to get his hands on his Sienna and that includes the 3-day US Customs waiting period. It was painless.

With Fleetrates, it's a different story. I was given references by Fleetrates from Alberta and Calgary who said they got their vehicles in 10 days which was probably true. However, I received mine after over 3 weeks of waiting due to the fact that my vehicle's MSO was held at the port for some reason and the sales guy at the dealer screwed up the Fedex shipment (he fedexed the MSO 4 days after saying he would!). But the 3+ weeks of waiting was well worth it.

[Nitrate]

It was just on CBC radio this morning in West) Vancouver lots of dealers are going across to the border to purchase used vehicles to resell in Canada. They are saying this will help lower prices in Canada. Is it just me or something stinks in the air?
Public has been saying for at least last 3 years that cars were cheaper in US and the dealers have tried to come up with all kinds of excuses why not to shop across the border. And now?
Before I bit the bullet and decided to import, I looked around for used Siennas. I could not believe how many US vehicles are on used car lots I found. Some of them even advertised the mileage without showing the units (km or miles) seeing that the miles are lower numerically. One of them in Coquitlam said about 90% of his vehicles are imports. I phoned him about a Sienna that he advertised in autotrader. After first finding out it's a US import, I then found out it's not even in his lot yet, it's still in transit from California! He's advertising vehicles as soon as he's bought them.

The prices I found on used American Sienna's were comparable with the local Canadian versions. In fact one would not be able to tell the difference based on price alone. These used car dealers are importing at a discount and selling locally at huge markups and the diff goes to their pockets and CBC says this will help lower prices in Canada? I don't see how. Something does stink.

[kind16]

Good call and where it is?

Has anyone tried fleetrates.com?

[kind16]

http://www.driversvillage.com/ou/northsyracuse-toyota/console.do?page=f_used_inventory

In case it doesn't come up. Go to pre-owned. There's a 2007 Camry for sale, $22.5k. If you do go with them ask for John Zavitz. He was the guy that did my Prius. I had NO problems, it was as simple as going down and picking the car up when the paperwork had gone through.

{edit} LOL, nmind. Just noticed you're from Calgary.


Another good call, thanks.

[Nitrate]

Good call and where it is?
Fleetrates have offices on both sides of the coast. I'm in Vancouver and so I worked with the one in California.

[dracore]

How are the prices for fleetrates? Are their margins reasonable? Are their prices negotiable?

[michelb]

How are the prices for fleetrates? Are their margins reasonable? Are their prices negotiable?

I would certainly shop around. From what I've seen, their prices might be more than what you'd pay from a broker. Make sure the quotes you get are all inclusive.

[chene]

Can you please elaborate on how fleetrates works? Where did you pick up the car, who cross the border (you or the feetrates), what additional fees do you have to pay?

thank you,

Yup, that's how I did it. Not only did I not have to register or plate my US Sienna in the States but I also paid a sweet $2200 lower than US MSRP, no questions asked. My total savings was $10,600 over Canadian dealers (includes all vehicle and personal costs). A buddy of mine bought a very similar Sienna just 2 months before mine from a Bellingham dealership and he paid full MSRP. He's now regretting jumping the gun. But he only waited 5 days to get his hands on his Sienna and that includes the 3-day US Customs waiting period. It was painless.

With Fleetrates, it's a different story. I was given references by Fleetrates from Alberta and Calgary who said they got their vehicles in 10 days which was probably true. However, I received mine after over 3 weeks of waiting due to the fact that my vehicle's MSO was held at the port for some reason and the sales guy at the dealer screwed up the Fedex shipment (he fedexed the MSO 4 days after saying he would!). But the 3+ weeks of waiting was well worth it.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Kergoz, it's a large amount of money here and a very serious transaction. No reputable dealer, especially a new car dealer, is going to try and take your money, and not give you a car in return. If you have proof of the transaction, it's upholdable in any US court of law. Why risk your whole dealership to rip off one customer?

Also, concerning your non-responded-to emails, you are probably communicating with experienced salespeople, who adeptly qualify you as a low-probability contact, and therefore don't see fit to respond. If you want replies, say that you are coming down to their city on X date with X in cash to buy X car. You have to make it sound like you know what you are doing and that you are definitely going to do it in a prescribed time period.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

If you're dealing with a reputable dealer, that thought should never even cross your mind.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Hi All,

I am looking for Dealerships on the East Coast that will sell to Canadains. At this point the type of vehicle doesn't matter as I am just testing the waters to see who will sell to a Canadian. So far the only one I have found is Keene Subaru in New Hampshire. I currently have a leased Pontiac that will expire in Sept and want to relace it with a purchase in the US. I live the the Nova Scotia region so I would be looking for something in Maine, New Hampshire or Massachusetts (Boston area). Would also consider going as far as New York City. I know a number of folks on this form have emailed many dealers only to get a negative rely back so I don't want to recreate the wheel again. You can PM me with the location/web site if you wish.

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

From this thread it's apparent the easiest product line to buy in the US are Subarus. US dealers have no issues to sell you a new Subaru and the warranty is completely transferable.

Toyota (especially the Siennas and Camrys) seem to come across in droves. Publicly US Toyota dealers will tell you they can't sell but judging from the truckloads coming across, we know that's not true. Remember someone spotted 10 NEW US Siennas on a truck destined for a dealer in the Ottawa area. They were picked up at a Toyota dealer in upper NY state.

The only advice I would give, it appears that the "cat's out of the bag" and many border city dealers are not very aggressive when pricing their wares. Specifically Subarus are now going at invoice prices. Some Toyotas are going close to MSRP.

In the two years I've been running this thread, I can't think of more than a handful of new domestic (Ford, GM or Chryslers) coming across. Then again, who really wants domestics? LOL

[Nitrate]

Can you please elaborate on how fleetrates works? Where did you pick up the car, who cross the border (you or the feetrates), what additional fees do you have to pay?

thank you,
You basically send them the vehicle and options/packages you want and they look for it. If they find it or something close to it, you agree on a price, which is normally much lower than US MSRP. You wire them your payment and they buy your vehicle from the dealer. The back of my MSO had two entries when I exported my Sienna (Fleetrates and mine).

You arrange for transport of your vehicle. Fleetrates will send a shipping order to an auto transport company for pick and delivery. You can either (1) have it delivered directly to your door and all you do is the RIV side of things, or (2) have it delivered somewhere in the US - preferably a border town - and you pick it up and import it yourself.

I've read somewhere that they charge a $30 membership fee but I did not pay that. So for me, there were no other fees. I guess it depends on the person you talk to (I don't know). The price I paid was the price on the bill of sale and it was the price we agreed upon. I did not pay a single cent over that to anyone else except the transport company ($250) and the holding yard ($35).

PM me if you need more details.

[Nitrate]

I would certainly shop around. From what I've seen, their prices might be more than what you'd pay from a broker. Make sure the quotes you get are all inclusive.
Certainly do shop around. But for what it's worth, Fleetrates' price to me beat everyone else's. That includes going directly to a US dealer in Bellingham who would not move from MSRP and a local Vancouver broker and importer who wanted to charge other miscellaneous fees (brokerage fees, import/customs fees, etc.) over and on top of the vehicle purchase price.

[d-kim]

Yup, that's how I did it. Not only did I not have to register or plate my US Sienna in the States but I also paid a sweet $2200 lower than US MSRP, no questions asked. My total savings was $10,600 over Canadian dealers (includes all vehicle and personal costs). A buddy of mine bought a very similar Sienna just 2 months before mine from a Bellingham dealership and he paid full MSRP. He's now regretting jumping the gun. But he only waited 5 days to get his hands on his Sienna and that includes the 3-day US Customs waiting period. It was painless.

With Fleetrates, it's a different story. I was given references by Fleetrates from Alberta and Calgary who said they got their vehicles in 10 days which was probably true. However, I received mine after over 3 weeks of waiting due to the fact that my vehicle's MSO was held at the port for some reason and the sales guy at the dealer screwed up the Fedex shipment (he fedexed the MSO 4 days after saying he would!). But the 3+ weeks of waiting was well worth it.

I also used Fleetrates, and got below MSRP. It was 3+ weeks of waiting for me, because the car was hard to find but got my top of the line Acura MDX delivered to my door!

[bkushner]

I'm getting some good quotes from Hachey imports, Ben is a board member here. I'll let you all know how the great Camry hybrid hunt turns out.

[wmahmud]

Just a question..how much am I looking to save by buying a 2008 Lexus GS here and in the states?

Anyone know of any dealers to deal with?

[DrXenon]

Just a question..how much am I looking to save by buying a 2008 Lexus GS here and in the states?

edmunds.com for invoice/"what people are paying" price
lexus.ca for canadian msrp, which should give you a rough idea of what people are paying here

[RandyOhhh]

I'm flying out Thursday morning to Kansas from Burlington, Vermont to pick up my 2007 Camry Hybrid loaded with ALL the goodies. Paying $31k and it's $41k in Canada.

Thanks to everyone for your help!!!

[Marzipan]

Has anyone here had any problems with respect to the payment aspect of the transaction? What assurances/protection and legal rights do we have as a Canadian citizen when we wire large amounts of money to someone in the USA for a product? This is the one part of the whole buying in the USA idea that I am uncomfortable with.

Try Escrow dot com (https://www.escrow.com/) This is not a recommendation. I notice their add on cars.com when I click for details from a private seller.

[fly]

Has anyone here had any problems with respect to the payment aspect of the transaction? What assurances/protection and legal rights do we have as a Canadian citizen when we wire large amounts of money to someone in the USA for a product? This is the one part of the whole buying in the USA idea that I am uncomfortable with.

I recently purchased my car in the States and wired the money before we went down to pick it up. When I went to wire the money, I had to enter the company name, account number and also asked for the VIN to be included in the comment. I also asked them to fax me the car delivery information to confirm the features / packages and the purchase agreement. There is no mistake that I'm wiring the money to purchase the car.

As donjuancarlos said, the dealership is not going to jeopardize their license with the manufacturer just to rip you off. Plus, the US courts tend to favour consumers more and you can actual sue for punitive damages, as in more than the money you lost, which is different in Canada. Just make sure the dealership is authorized (listed on the manufacturer's website).

[Kamloops]

Got back Monday after importing 2 new Yamaha fz6 bikes.
Everything went smooth as silk, accept for the Canada Customs lady not believing what I paid. She hassled me for a few minutes. Made me wait well she surfed the net to find prices. She also made me empty my pockets of all receipts.

Even had to give her my receipt for Lunch at Hooters! LOL

Bought both at a dealer and they knew the whole process.

Saved 2K a bike over the cheapest I could find in Vancouver. That is after all expenses (all in)

Paid riv online when I got home, faxed Form 1 and Recall. had form 2 next day in my email.

http://www.kyra.ca/mazda/fz.jpg

[kergoz]

I recently purchased my car in the States and wired the money before we went down to pick it up. When I went to wire the money, I had to enter the company name, account number and also asked for the VIN to be included in the comment. I also asked them to fax me the car delivery information to confirm the features / packages and the purchase agreement. There is no mistake that I'm wiring the money to purchase the car.

As donjuancarlos said, the dealership is not going to jeopardize their license with the manufacturer just to rip you off. Plus, the US courts tend to favour consumers more and you can actual sue for punitive damages, as in more than the money you lost, which is different in Canada. Just make sure the dealership is authorized (listed on the manufacturer's website).


I tend to agree that any large dealership would not want or need this hassle. However from a legal perspective, I still suspect its a lot more complex given that we are Canadian citizens dealing with an American company in the USA. I aprreciate the feedback and those are good points about the wiring of money. Did you receive the purchase agreement by fax before wiring the money? I guess another option would be giving a depost then bringing a draft with you when picking up the car..I believe some people have done that.

[bobbyt]

So all 07/08 imprezas built before Sept 2007 are out of luck? No work-arounds yet? Are you able to get the date of manufacture from the vin #? I found the one I wanted but it was built June 07 according to the door sticker :(

[michelb]

So all 07/08 imprezas built before Sept 2007 are out of luck? No work-arounds yet? Are you able to get the date of manufacture from the vin #? I found the one I wanted but it was built June 07 according to the door sticker :(

ALL Subarus built before Sept 1st 2007 are admissable. Suburas built after Sept 1 07 need an immobilizer (which Imprezas and STI may not have (Outback/Legacy are fine)).

[TeDoresc]

ALL Subarus built before Sept 1st 2007 are admissable. Suburas built after Sept 1 07 need an immobilizer (which Imprezas and STI may not have (Outback/Legacy are fine)).
Got a post-Sept07 Impreza and it does have an immobilizer.

[hhhm3]

Got back Monday after importing 2 new Yamaha fz6 bikes.
Everything went smooth as silk, accept for the Canada Customs lady not believing what I paid. She hassled me for a few minutes. Made me wait well she surfed the net to find prices. She also made me empty my pockets of all receipts.

Even had to give her my receipt for Lunch at Hooters! LOL

Bought both at a dealer and they knew the whole process.

Saved 2K a bike over the cheapest I could find in Vancouver. That is after all expenses (all in)

Paid riv online when I got home, faxed Form 1 and Recall. had form 2 next day in my email.


You should file a complaint on her.
If you provided the bill of sales that match the serial #s, she shouldn't be questioning it! after all it is a legal document.
Even if she surf the net for conflicting prices, so What? is it against the law to get a deal!?
What, is she a motorbike expert on pricing or something?

You should say "do you want to strip search me too?", but don't, they actually may do it too. (it's ok if she's hot :-)
Yeah, it is best not to be a wise-ass with them, never know what they can do or will do?
Ever see the movie Rendition...

[nornet]

Got a post-Sept07 Impreza and it does have an immobilizer.
I think he's asking about a pre Sept 07 vehicle.

[nornet]

Got back Monday after importing 2 new Yamaha fz6 bikes.
Everything went smooth as silk, accept for the Canada Customs lady not believing what I paid. She hassled me for a few minutes. Made me wait well she surfed the net to find prices. She also made me empty my pockets of all receipts.

Even had to give her my receipt for Lunch at Hooters! LOL

Bought both at a dealer and they knew the whole process.

Saved 2K a bike over the cheapest I could find in Vancouver. That is after all expenses (all in)

Paid riv online when I got home, faxed Form 1 and Recall. had form 2 next day in my email.

http://www.kyra.ca/mazda/fz.jpg

Nice pickup. Does CT do the inspection or do you have to take them to a Yamaha dealer?

[Kamloops]

Nice pickup. Does CT do the inspection or do you have to take them to a Yamaha dealer?

Yes CT doing it today at Lunch time. Had my Form 2 emailed in less that a day.

Also no provincial inspection required on bikes.

There is no duty on motorbikes at all, does not matter where they are made.

[betaboy00]

Certainly do shop around. But for what it's worth, Fleetrates' price to me beat everyone else's. That includes going directly to a US dealer in Bellingham who would not move from MSRP and a local Vancouver broker and importer who wanted to charge other miscellaneous fees (brokerage fees, import/customs fees, etc.) over and on top of the vehicle purchase price.

I dealt with Fleetrates too. Their prices is below MSRP. You can get prices close to the invoice. US dealers do not offer below MSRP.

I'm very close to bringing my Sienna across the border anytime soon. Just waiting for the trucking company to ship my Sienna to Blaine.

All this was possible, thanks to Nitrate who help me out a lot.

[michelb]

I dealt with Fleetrates too. Their prices is below MSRP. You can get prices close to the invoice. US dealers do not offer below MSRP.

I'm very close to bringing my Sienna across the border anytime soon. Just waiting for the trucking company to ship my Sienna to Blaine.

All this was possible, thanks to Nitrate who help me out a lot.

When you get it, let us know what the price works out to (including trim you get). I'm curious to know what fleetrates's prices are like. What other fees do they charge for?

Nitrate mentioned that he got his for $2200 below MSRP (I think) but he doesn't mention the trim and I'm not sure when he got it either (which makes a big difference) (I think US buyers can get up to $4k+ off MSRP on Siennas right now)

[betaboy00]

When you get it, let us know what the price works out to (including trim you get). I'm curious to know what fleetrates's prices are like. Nitrate mentioned that he got his for $2200 below MSRP but he doesn't mention the trim and I'm not sure when he got it either (which makes a big difference) (I think US buyers can get up to $4k - $6k off MSRP on Siennas right now)

PM Nitrate, he can give you the details.

There's Cash rebate for the Sienna now too - $2k. It's valid until June 30, 2008. Take that into consideration when negotiating the price.

I got the XLE FWD with EVP #4, DRL/fog lamps, carpet and door sill protector, tow package, arctic frost pearl colour (this cost extra), wheel lock, 17" wheel.
Mine was around $2600 below MSRP. I may be able to get lower if I had the car factory ordered. But I needed one quick. The broker mentioned that there was only 1 car with the configuration I want available in 5 western US states.
It is still very much cheaper than purchasing it here.

[betaboy00]

When you get it, let us know what the price works out to (including trim you get). I'm curious to know what fleetrates's prices are like. What other fees do they charge for?

Nitrate mentioned that he got his for $2200 below MSRP (I think) but he doesn't mention the trim and I'm not sure when he got it either (which makes a big difference) (I think US buyers can get up to $4k+ off MSRP on Siennas right now)

there is no fee charge by Fleetrates. They make money by selling you the car.
You may not get the same price as a US resident negotiating directly with a dealer, because the broker has to make some money too. But you can get close to that amount.

I've heard/read that some US resident manage to pay below invoice when dealing directly with a dealer. You can still negotiate with the broker when they quote you the price.

[michelb]

PM Nitrate, he can give you the details.

There's Cash rebate for the Sienna now too - $2k. It's valid until June 30, 2008. Take that into consideration when negotiating the price.

I got the XLE FWD with EVP #4, DRL/fog lamps, carpet and door sill protector, tow package, arctic frost pearl colour (this cost extra), wheel lock, 17" wheel.
Mine was around $2600 below MSRP. I may be able to get lower if I had the car factory ordered. But I needed one quick. The broker mentioned that there was only 1 car with the configuration I want available in 5 western US states.
It is still very much cheaper than purchasing it here.

Thanks for the info. Obviously it's important to discuss the 'all-in' price (if a broker/dealership/whatever sells it for $5k below MSRP but then tacks on $1500 of fees, it's not a lot better than someone who does it for $3.5k below MSRP but no fees.

From other forums and sources, I'm seeing up to $4-5k below MSRP but that includes the current cash rebate (I thought it was actually $1500 not $2000 (At buyatoyota.com, it says '* up to $1500.00 cash back or a great lease. Offer Ends 6/2/2008' for 2008 Sienna - although it's possible there's a new $2k one until 6/30/2008)

[dracore]

So if you search for any new vehicle on the fleetrates page... they show the invoice amount, MSRP, and their selling price. Can you purchase the vehicle below their selling price? I'm sure they have to make money... but it would be nice if they made less and that money stays in my wallet :-)

[michelb]

So if you search for any new vehicle on the fleetrates page... they show the invoice amount, MSRP, and their selling price. Can you purchase the vehicle below their selling price? I'm sure they have to make money... but it would be nice if they made less and that money stays in my wallet :-)

I'm sure that the selling price is the price you can buy it at and their profit is built into that price (although they might have a 'documentation fee' and stuff like that) (most dealerships do)

oops, just re-read your question correctly. I imagine that you can get a bit below their 'selling price' but I suspect it isn't much and probably depends on the situation (e.g. car has been sitting for a while, what they paid for it, maybe amount of interest they had, etc).

[Toyota_Star]

PM Nitrate, he can give you the details.

There's Cash rebate for the Sienna now too - $2k. It's valid until June 30, 2008. Take that into consideration when negotiating the price.

I got the XLE FWD with EVP #4, DRL/fog lamps, carpet and door sill protector, tow package, arctic frost pearl colour (this cost extra), wheel lock, 17" wheel.
Mine was around $2600 below MSRP. I may be able to get lower if I had the car factory ordered. But I needed one quick. The broker mentioned that there was only 1 car with the configuration I want available in 5 western US states.
It is still very much cheaper than purchasing it here.

What about charges like "Freight charge for Sienna $665" ? Is it included in the price?

Thanx

[Nitrate]

Nitrate mentioned that he got his for $2200 below MSRP (I think) but he doesn't mention the trim and I'm not sure when he got it either (which makes a big difference) (I think US buyers can get up to $4k+ off MSRP on Siennas right now)I purchased the Sienna 7-pass LE with EVP#2, 16" alloy wheel, DRL, door sill protector, floor mats and tow prep in Feb 28th, 2008. I took delivery 3+ weeks later. Got it insured and plated on Apr 2nd. Unfortunately for me, there were no US rebates offered back in February, but yes I still got mine for $2200 USD below the US MSRP.

Regarding their fees: aside from the $30 membership fee that I've read on other forums (that curiously I wasn't charged for), the vehicle purchase price I agreed to was the ONLY amount I paid and it's the price that appears on my bill-of-sale. If they had fees built into my purchase price, they didn't say and I wouldn't have minded because the total amount I paid was still $2200 off US MSRP. (Total savings after all expenses and taxes: $10,600 over Regency Toyota in Vancouver).

[Nitrate]

What about charges like "Freight charge for Sienna $665" ? Is it included in the price?

Thanx
Yes it is. And NO sales tax.

[Toyota_Star]

Yes it is. And NO sales tax.

Thanks Nitrate and nice to know.

[d-kim]

I got mine at fleetrates too, and concur with everything discussed here, when I got my MDX

[betaboy00]

Yes it is. And NO sales tax.

what ever price quoted by fleetrate is the bottom line price. No more additional fee other than your usual importing procedure fee (GST/PST/riv/etc....)

[bobbyt]

ALL Subarus built before Sept 1st 2007 are admissable. Suburas built after Sept 1 07 need an immobilizer (which Imprezas and STI may not have (Outback/Legacy are fine)).

That makes more sense.
But they worded it funny:
2007 AND 2008 Impreza, if built AFTER September 1st, 2007. [EIS] (see notes)

(3) The letters [EIS] indicate that the vehicle is either equipped with an electronic immobilizer installed by the manufacturer but not
certified to meet Canada Motor Vehicle Safety Standard 114 or that no electronic immobilizer is installed. Please see section 9 of
these explanations for further information on immobilizers.

[G35C]

Great post !!! Stay hot... :cheesygri :cheesygri

[sjefenole]

Do I need to fax Blaine CBP (US Customs) more than the export document and the MSO? It says that if you're titled owner, you don't need bill of sale, and if you have MSO you don't need title.

I have some documents that suggests i bought the car but no "Bill of Sale" in the header document.

Is 72 hours enough to count on?

[Nitrate]

Do I need to fax Blaine CBP (US Customs) more than the export document and the MSO? It says that if you're titled owner, you don't need bill of sale, and if you have MSO you don't need title.

I have some documents that suggests i bought the car but no "Bill of Sale" in the header document.
If the title is in your name, then you're already the legal owner, and no bill of sale (i.e. transfer of ownership) is required. If the title is not in your name, it must be signed in the back by the seller and yourself (some states require that it also must be notarized) and must be accompanied by the bill of sale. For export purposes, signed MSO's together with a bill of sale are accepted by US Customs as proof of legal transfer of ownership.
Is 72 hours enough to count on?Not sure what this question means? 72 hours or 3 days is a federal requirement according to Blaine Customs, there is no getting around it.

[CheapScotsman]

Is 72 hours enough to count on?If you are going through blaine, they have a number in the export document info to phone to ensure that your paperwork is in order BEFORE you cross the border.

You will need to know the state that the vehicle is currently titled (if used)

[Monky]

Nitrate, do you know if Oregon or Washington requires the notarization of the MSO when crossing at Blaine? I am having a friend purchase a Honda for me and re-sell it to me so it will be considered a used car. I was concerned about having the title but Oregon replied to to our inquiry and they don't care if my friend titles the car because it will be immediately resold and exported.

[sjefenole]

Exactly how fast can I possibly have my vehicle licensed in BC?
I have screwed up on one point, I'll give you a quick summary, perhaps there are other solutions...

I have bought a vehicle in Lakewood, WA and it is at SeaTac airport and I will pick it up May 30th (10am) (Friday) and drive it up. I have all the documents emailed to Blaine (I think), if not, I can still do this before Tuesday morning and clear the 72h window before Friday at noon.

I am a BC resident working as a Co-Op student in Alberta and work 4 days a week, so I can take Friday and the following Monday off to get a 4 day weekend for instance. It seems that I am ineligible for Alberta insurance as a BC resident with BC license. Therefore I will try to do everything I can to pass all inspections etc. as soon as I enter Canada to be able to bring vehicle back to Alberta (Fort McMurray).
Should I actually be eligible for AB insurance it is hard to find a broker that will give me only 3 months coverage (I return to BC in August) and to boot I am a 22yr old male and AB insurance isn't favorable.

Can anyone help me? I would be grateful.

My current solution is: Import to BC and leave vehicle for testing etc. and so on (Abbotsford) Then fly to Fort McMurray and come back next weekend to have it licensed and drive back. I would hope not having to do that because flights here are expensive and with bad timing.

[noodles]

Be careful as some Canadian Tire stores will not do the RIV inspections on weekends.

Once I got the car in and faxed my info to RIV it took them about 5 days to email me my Form 2. Once you have that you're good to go get your inspection done.

[kplange]

Be careful as some Canadian Tire stores will not do the RIV inspections on weekends.

Once I got the car in and faxed my info to RIV it took them about 5 days to email me my Form 2. Once you have that you're good to go get your inspection done.

Same thing with me. Although I crossed into BC on Saturday afternoon and emailed my payment and Form 1 to RIV on Sunday, I didn't get my paperwork back from RIV until Thursday. As with most things, the most convenient and inexpensive route seldom happens

[Nitrate]

Nitrate, do you know if Oregon or Washington requires the notarization of the MSO when crossing at Blaine? I am having a friend purchase a Honda for me and re-sell it to me so it will be considered a used car. I was concerned about having the title but Oregon replied to to our inquiry and they don't care if my friend titles the car because it will be immediately resold and exported.
The US Customs at Blaine does not require notarization of titles or MSO's. I was able to import mine (MSO) without notary. You don't need your Honda titled in your name if you're exporting it soon after. US Customs just needs the bill of sale to accompany the original title which must be signed in the back by the seller.

But really you should call the Blaine crossing for your particular situation to be sure there are no hitches. (because if there's a screw-up, you can't just say "...but some guy on the Internet said I can!"). :)

[Nitrate]

Exactly how fast can I possibly have my vehicle licensed in BC?
I have screwed up on one point, I'll give you a quick summary, perhaps there are other solutions...

I have bought a vehicle in Lakewood, WA and it is at SeaTac airport and I will pick it up May 30th (10am) (Friday) and drive it up. I have all the documents emailed to Blaine (I think), if not, I can still do this before Tuesday morning and clear the 72h window before Friday at noon.

I am a BC resident working as a Co-Op student in Alberta and work 4 days a week, so I can take Friday and the following Monday off to get a 4 day weekend for instance. It seems that I am ineligible for Alberta insurance as a BC resident with BC license. Therefore I will try to do everything I can to pass all inspections etc. as soon as I enter Canada to be able to bring vehicle back to Alberta (Fort McMurray).
Should I actually be eligible for AB insurance it is hard to find a broker that will give me only 3 months coverage (I return to BC in August) and to boot I am a 22yr old male and AB insurance isn't favorable.

Can anyone help me? I would be grateful.

My current solution is: Import to BC and leave vehicle for testing etc. and so on (Abbotsford) Then fly to Fort McMurray and come back next weekend to have it licensed and drive back. I would hope not having to do that because flights here are expensive and with bad timing.
I hope other people have other answers for you but I don't think there's any way you can get around waiting for the RIV Form 2. That takes at least 3 days to arrive, which means your vehicle needs to be garaged somewhere in BC after importation. You either stay in BC and wait for Form 2 and lose at least 3 days of work (if it arrives Thursday) or fly to Fort McMurray and work the whole week while waiting for Form 2 (eating the cost of flying back and forth). Either way, you lose money.

[CheapScotsman]

Exactly how fast can I possibly have my vehicle licensed in BC?
I have screwed up on one point, I'll give you a quick summary, perhaps there are other solutions...

I have bought a vehicle in Lakewood, WA and it is at SeaTac airport and I will pick it up May 30th (10am) (Friday) and drive it up. I have all the documents emailed to Blaine (I think), if not, I can still do this before Tuesday morning and clear the 72h window before Friday at noon.

I am a BC resident working as a Co-Op student in Alberta and work 4 days a week, so I can take Friday and the following Monday off to get a 4 day weekend for instance. It seems that I am ineligible for Alberta insurance as a BC resident with BC license. Therefore I will try to do everything I can to pass all inspections etc. as soon as I enter Canada to be able to bring vehicle back to Alberta (Fort McMurray).
Should I actually be eligible for AB insurance it is hard to find a broker that will give me only 3 months coverage (I return to BC in August) and to boot I am a 22yr old male and AB insurance isn't favorable.

Can anyone help me? I would be grateful.

My current solution is: Import to BC and leave vehicle for testing etc. and so on (Abbotsford) Then fly to Fort McMurray and come back next weekend to have it licensed and drive back. I would hope not having to do that because flights here are expensive and with bad timing.In addition to Nitrate's comments above ...

if you can find somebody to take this in for inspection / do the insurance for you ... that might save you a trip or two.

[Nitrate]

In addition to Nitrate's comments above ...

if you can find somebody to take this in for inspection / do the insurance for you ... that might save you a trip or two.
Yup, anyone can take the vehicle for inspection when the Form 2 arrives but I was thinking about the insurance and quickly dismissed it. I had thought that the owner must be present to do the insurance for driver license verification and most importantly for the required signatures. But if there is way around that (must check with ICBC), and then having someone drive the vehicle to Alberta, it would sure save some bucks!

[sjefenole]

There is a way around the signatures by contacting ICBC directly, but you need to be there to pick up the plates :evil: ...
I used this when renewing an insurance while being out of province... Basically they mail it to you and have it signed and you mail it back to ICBC.

I figure I'll fly back and forth an extra time... grrr...
I have a friend who lives really close to abbotsford airport and that's where my residence currently is so that's excellent.

Too bad Air Canada stopped flying to Abbotsford, otherwise this would be an excellent opportunity to spend 15,000 Aeroplan miles... Flight is an awful $840 dollars...

[betaboy00]

I just brought my arctic frost pearl XLE Sienna across the border.

It was my first import and every thing was hassle free and really quick.

[DrXenon]

On fleetrates.com, when I price a 4-door Accord EX-L, it gives me the MSRP price - is this the price I would get from them?

[Nitrate]

On fleetrates.com, when I price a 4-door Accord EX-L, it gives me the MSRP price - is this the price I would get from them?
Something has changed on their website!! They used to display two prices for everything, packages, options, add-ons, etc. Even the littlest item like a floor mat would have these two prices. One was MSRP and the other was invoice price. As you "build" your vehicle, the two prices add up incrementally, providing you a total for each.

And no, they didn't expect you to pay MSRP. In fact, they'd offer you a price in between MSRP and invoice, if not exactly invoice.

It may be just a website change where they now expect you the buyer to be aware of your invoice prices (just like walking into a dealership). I hope that in the background, their policies have not changed. Otherwise, Canadians are going to lose Fleetrates as another good option for importing new vehicles.

[CheapScotsman]

So I completed my federal/provincial inspection in April 1st, passed with no issues and got my car licensed ...

Canadian Tire told me that they would fax the completed inspection info to RIV but, today, I got a letter indicating that I hadn't been inspected.

Was I supposed to fax the completed RIV inspection form to them or ???

[betaboy00]

damn...i was looking through the RIV form 1 filled by the custom agent, he filled in the wrong vehicle class for my Sienna. He checked "Passenger Car". The Sienna is a mini van and I think it should be "Multipurpose Passenger Vehicle".

I wonder if I can change it myself, but I've already paid the RIV fee online and submitted the form id.
I guess I will call RIV tomorrow and see what they say. Hope I don't have to go to the border again to fill up the stuff.

[Nitrate]

So I completed my federal/provincial inspection in April 1st, passed with no issues and got my car licensed ...

Canadian Tire told me that they would fax the completed inspection info to RIV but, today, I got a letter indicating that I hadn't been inspected.

Was I supposed to fax the completed RIV inspection form to them or ???
CT should have faxed the Form 2 immediately after inspection and you should have received your certification label within 2 weeks after.

I've mentioned it earlier in this thread that the one of the steps of the importation process where I was uncomfortable with mainly because I was not in control of it is the faxing of forms by CT (or any inspection centre). I recall that that Form 2 has an expiry date, I think it's 45 days after RIV originally sent it to you. Don't know what happens if that date has lapsed but since you have your inspection papers done and vehicle insured/plated, it probably just needs some calls to CT and RIV to clear things up.

[Nitrate]

damn...i was looking through the RIV form 1 filled by the custom agent, he filled in the wrong vehicle class for my Sienna. He checked "Passenger Car". The Sienna is a mini van and I think it should be "Multipurpose Passenger Vehicle".

I wonder if I can change it myself, but I've already paid the RIV fee online and submitted the form id.
I guess I will call RIV tomorrow and see what they say. Hope I don't have to go to the border again to fill up the stuff.
Have you faxed them Form 1 yet? If not, just make the necessary corrections and fax it. Otherwise, yes you need to call RIV to make the correction. The type of vehicle is put on the RIV certification label they send out within 2 weeks after inspection, that you need to affix to the door sill.

I made the same mistake but after checking the manufacturer's label on the door sill looking for the manufacture date, I saw what type of vehicle the Sienna actually is and corrected my Form 1. No need to go to the border, this is between you and RIV regarding the vehicle's Canadian certification. Good luck and enjoy your new Sienna!

[drwzer]

Okay so I brought my car back to Canada yesterday and when I stopped at the Canadian border I paid the riv fee and the gst but I was not charged any duty and my car was made in germany (VW GTI). So what gives? Obviously I didn't want to question THEM about it since I saved about $1400. Do you pay it at a later date? Funny thing also... they almost didn't let me drive away with it because they didn't believe how little I paid for it and I didn't have a copy of my certified cheque only the bill of sale.

[Badman]

Hey has Anyone ever imported a Land Rover from the US? Or have any info?

[yyz2hkg]

Hey has Anyone ever imported a Land Rover from the US? Or have any info?

2008 All Models are admissable.

Well, at www.RIV.ca can get you started.

Taken from the RIV site:

Contact an authorized Land Rover Canada dealership to determine the exact
nature and costs of all modifications. All modifications MUST be performed by an authorized Land Rover Canada dealership. When required modifications and any outstanding recalls have been completed, your local Land Rover dealer will provide you with an official Land Rover Canada vehicle recall letter. To locate a dealer go to:
http://www.jaguar.ca/ca/en/jaguar_ownership/locate_dealer/Locate_A_Dealer.html

[shopper-X]

Okay so I brought my car back to Canada yesterday and when I stopped at the Canadian border I paid the riv fee and the gst but I was not charged any duty and my car was made in germany (VW GTI). So what gives? Obviously I didn't want to question THEM about it since I saved about $1400. Do you pay it at a later date? Funny thing also... they almost didn't let me drive away with it because they didn't believe how little I paid for it and I didn't have a copy of my certified cheque only the bill of sale.

I believe that Canada Custom's software automatically assigns the 6.1% duty when a VIN starts with a letter as apposed to a VIN starting with a number which is Duty-Free.

Can you post what your VW GTI VIN starts with (just the 1st one)?
I'm wondering if it's a "W" or "3".

[CheapScotsman]

CT should have faxed the Form 2 immediately after inspection and you should have received your certification label within 2 weeks after.

I've mentioned it earlier in this thread that the one of the steps of the importation process where I was uncomfortable with mainly because I was not in control of it is the faxing of forms by CT (or any inspection centre). I recall that that Form 2 has an expiry date, I think it's 45 days after RIV originally sent it to you. Don't know what happens if that date has lapsed but since you have your inspection papers done and vehicle insured/plated, it probably just needs some calls to CT and RIV to clear things up.

Okay ... so here is the problem. CT filled out the form and sent it to RIV but forgot to check the box at the bottom indicating that the vehicle passed (or failed). Back to CT I go.

Just got back. Good thing they are only a 5 minute drive away. No problems in filing out section 5 and I had them back date it (hopefully this won't be a problem with RIV) as the form expired on May 9th.

When I phoned RIV this morning they indicated that it would take up to 3 business days to update the file so I will phone on Weds to make sure that things are right.

[drwzer]

I believe that Canada Custom's software automatically assigns the 6.1% duty when a VIN starts with a letter as apposed to a VIN starting with a number which is Duty-Free.

Can you post what your VW GTI VIN starts with (just the 1st one)?
I'm wondering if it's a "W" or "3".


It starts with a "W", and I know for sure that they are made in Germany, so duty should have been charged. Has anyone experienced this?

[regrus]

It starts with a "W", and I know for sure that they are made in Germany, so duty should have been charged. Has anyone experienced this?

The customs agent has made a mistake with the tariff code he input. I had the opposite problem with a Toyota.

My Toyota was made in the USA but the customs agent used a code for "most favored nation" which charged duty. If I had not caught it at the cashier no one else would have either once I had paid and left.

[drwzer]

The customs agent has made a mistake with the tariff code he input. I had the opposite problem with a Toyota.

My Toyota was made in the USA but the customs agent used a code for "most favored nation" which charged duty. If I had not caught it at the cashier no one else would have either once I had paid and left.

So do you think I have avoided the duty or do they review these transactions and impose duty at a later date.

[ZIgot]

The customs agent has made a mistake with the tariff code he input. I had the opposite problem with a Toyota.

My Toyota was made in the USA but the customs agent used a code for "most favored nation" which charged duty. If I had not caught it at the cashier no one else would have either once I had paid and left.

So buying a Toyota made in USA will save me from paying extra duty? Sweet.

Do you know of any good Toyota dealers near Toronto, Kingston area? Thx

[dunone]

Has anyone had any experience importing a CX-9? Has anyone had problems getting the recall letter from Mazda or did you just get the stuff from the dealer?

[michelb]

So do you think I have avoided the duty or do they review these transactions and impose duty at a later date.

It's possible that you fell through the cracks and you won't have to pay duty (since customs is suppose to collect it) but I'd keep the money available just in case as I really wouldn't be surprised if they contact you again to say that you owe it. I'd also make sure that the VIN is right on the Form1 since it's possible they didn't charge you duty because they had a typo in the VIN.

[michelb]

So buying a Toyota made in USA will save me from paying extra duty? Sweet.

Do you know of any good Toyota dealers near Toronto, Kingston area? Thx

You're not really 'saving from paying duty'; no duty is paid on any car that's built in NorthAmerica.

Unfortunately, if you are looking for a new Toyota, most dealers in the US (never mind close to Toronto or Kingston) will not sell to you if you are Canadian - you need to go through a broker or through a friend/relative in the US. Used is no problem though.

[bkushner]

Used from Toyota dealers is now a problem as well.

[ziploc]

Used from Toyota dealers is now a problem as well.

Why You're saying that ???

[pulsar]

Used from Toyota dealers is now a problem as well.
As far as I know, there is no problem with purchasing used. It is only the certified warranty that doesn't transfer up to Canada on Certified Used. (This was announced in Jan 2008). However, you can still purchase a certified used Toyota without the "certified" portion.

[ziploc]

As far as I know, there is no problem with purchasing used. It is only the certified warranty that doesn't transfer up to Canada on Certified Used. (This was announced in Jan 2008). However, you can still purchase a certified used Toyota without the "certified" portion.

thx, that's what i tough...but it always may change,....
never know with those companys

[bkushner]

I never asked if they would drop the certified warranty. Didn't get that far before they all are now saying, we don't want to lose our ability to purchase new product from Toyota. New rules came down in May, very hard to find dealers now for new and used. They are selling used Camry Hybrids for the price of a new one anyways. Screw em.

[trenton1776]

I'm looking for a minivan and I can probably find a way to purchase from US dealers. I'm not 100% clear on how warranties transfer over. I'd appreciate if someone can help me fill in the blanks:

Honda Odyssey
New:
Used:

Toyota Sienna
New:
Used:

Nissan Quest
New:
Used:

[Monky]

Honda Odyssey, no warranty for either. Toyota honours the warranty for both. Not sure about Nissan but I believe they do honour it.


I'm looking for a minivan and I can probably find a way to purchase from US dealers. I'm not 100% clear on how warranties transfer over. I'd appreciate if someone can help me fill in the blanks:

Honda Odyssey
New:
Used:

Toyota Sienna
New:
Used:

Nissan Quest
New:
Used:

[michelb]

Honda Odyssey, no warranty for either. Toyota honours the warranty for both. Not sure about Nissan but I believe they do honour it.

Honda (none) and Toyota (both valid) is correct but for Nissan, their warranty manual is written is such a way that you have to either be the original owner if it's new (i.e. most likely can't go through a broker, US friend or relative (if Nissan even requires this which I don't think they do)) or the vehicle has to be at least 6 months old.

[michelb]

I never asked if they would drop the certified warranty. Didn't get that far before they all are now saying, we don't want to lose our ability to purchase new product from Toyota. New rules came down in May, very hard to find dealers now for new and used. They are selling used Camry Hybrids for the price of a new one anyways. Screw em.

FYI, I was told that used was still fine yesterday by a NewYork State dealer. Honestly I don't believe they'd ever be able to prevent used - they could only apply this to Toyota dealerships which wouldn't be far if all other used dealers and private sellers could sell to Canadians. The most the can do is prevent 'certified used' (which they already kind of do (lose the certified warranty)).

[trenton1776]

Honda (none) and Toyota (both valid) is correct but for Nissan, their warranty manual is written is such a way that you have to either be the original owner if it's new (i.e. most likely can't go through a broker, US friend or relative (if Nissan even requires this which I don't think they do)) or the vehicle has to be at least 6 months old.

So if I buy a used Nissan that's 4 months old, does that mean the warranty will only start in 2 months? Does anyone have real-world experience with importing a slightly used Nissan?

[michelb]

So if I buy a used Nissan that's 4 months old, does that mean the warranty will only start in 2 months? Does anyone have real-world experience with importing a slightly used Nissan?

Check with Nissan and the warranty manual but I believe the way it's worded says that if the vehicle is sold to a 2nd owner and imported into Canada before it's 6 months old, the warranty is void (I think it's basically to prevent Canadian used car dealerships from buying new Nissans in the US and re-selling as 'nearly-new' in Canada).

[uamalik]

Does anyone have any experience of importing a Mazda? I am thinking of buying a new Mazda CX-9 from the States.

[nazawale]

I just googled the price for Honda Accord 2008 EX-L Nav both US and Canadain. And found the US version much cheaper. So Is HOnda cars are permitted to import and the Honda Canada recognize the warranty?

What other charges will occur beside GST & PST. Do I have to pay custom duty as Honda VIN starts with J....

[Anonymouse]

No, Honda Canada will not honour the warranty if you import a US car and make it plain that it is registered in Canada. Yes, you will pay 6.1% duty if your car's VIN starts with a J. See if you can find one that starts with a number - Honda produces Accords at at least one US plant; you may have to forego the NAV, but that's easily rectified with a $350 portable GPS.

[cinqhoda]

I just googled the price for Honda Accord 2008 EX-L Nav both US and Canadain. And found the US version much cheaper. So Is HOnda cars are permitted to import and the Honda Canada recognize the warranty?

What other charges will occur beside GST & PST. Do I have to pay custom duty as Honda VIN starts with J....

Read Post #1 of this thread, it will answer most of your questions. Then use the search function for other inquiries.

Honda cars are permitted to import (check http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/VAFUS.pdf).
Honda will not honor the warranty.
$100 AC tax, $200 RIV fee.
Yes, you will pay 6.1% duty on any car/truck/suv/minivan that starts with a letter.

[Anonymouse]

Apologies if this post appears twice; the first one seems to have been lost in moderation.

I think you could circumvent the cancellation of the Honda warranty by buying a New York license plate on ebay and affixing that to the car when you take it to your local Canadian dealer. If they ask, just tell them you're here on business or you have a cottage here or something.

Does anyone happen to have the exact wording of the warranty (the clause that makes it invalid in Canada)?

[DSTU]

I just googled the price for Honda Accord 2008 EX-L Nav both US and Canadain. And found the US version much cheaper. So Is HOnda cars are permitted to import and the Honda Canada recognize the warranty?

What other charges will occur beside GST & PST. Do I have to pay custom duty as Honda VIN starts with J....

Sorry to say buddy - the web site is wrong.

Canadian Cars are much cheaper to run since they run on Liters which is more than a US Gallon - so you get a bonus of 30% in the mileage of a Canadian Car.

So don't buy a US spec car - get a Canadian one!!!

[golden]

Sorry to say buddy - the web site is wrong.

Canadian Cars are much cheaper to run since they run on Liters which is more than a US Gallon - so you get a bonus of 30% in the mileage of a Canadian Car.

So don't buy a US spec car - get a Canadian one!!!

What're you saying? I hope you're not serious as a 5th grader knows the diff between Gallon and Litre.

[ryandk]

I'm sorry, but are you ********? Which dealership do you work for? Do you realize that what you've said shows how ignorant you are? If you really believe this, why are you participating in this forum?

Unless Canadian dealerships convince the manufacturers to bring Canadian MRSPs down to US levels, Canadian dealerships should suffer. Boycott them all! Buy American!!!


Sorry to say buddy - the web site is wrong.

Canadian Cars are much cheaper to run since they run on Liters which is more than a US Gallon - so you get a bonus of 30% in the mileage of a Canadian Car.

So don't buy a US spec car - get a Canadian one!!!

[freewheel]

Um, I'mm gonna go out on a limb here and say;

HE'S JOKING!!!!


I'm sorry, but are you ********? Which dealership do you work for? Do you realize that what you've said shows how ignorant you are? If you really believe this, why are you participating in this forum?

Unless Canadian dealerships convince the manufacturers to bring Canadian MRSPs down to US levels, Canadian dealerships should suffer. Boycott them all! Buy American!!!

[hhhm3]

Sorry to say buddy - the web site is wrong.

Canadian Cars are much cheaper to run since they run on Liters which is more than a US Gallon - so you get a bonus of 30% in the mileage of a Canadian Car.

So don't buy a US spec car - get a Canadian one!!!

The last comment is correct, you are ********!
They cost the same to run (provided the same car and spec).
Canadian is rating is based on Liter per 100km, and the US is Mile per gallon.
Understand the difference...

[trenton1776]

It seems the price differences are not as extreme in the used vehicle market. I've been looking for a very slightly used minivan and yes they are cheaper in the US but not by much. Comparably equipped Toyota Siennas with similar mileage are only about 1-3k more expensive in Canada. I suppose this makes sense as it's very easy to import a used vehicle and its simply buyers going after the cheapest.

Anyone else noticed this trend?

[mangoman]

I do believe some of us are having a case of the "Mondays"! DTSU was just making an attempt at some humour! (I guess it's true what they say about comedy routines - it's all in the delivery!) :lol:

The last comment is correct, you are ********!
They cost the same to run (provided the same car and spec).
Canadian is rating is based on Liter per 100km, and the US is Mile per gallon.
Understand the difference...

[Rehan]

Canadian is rating is based on Liter per 100km, and the US is Mile per gallon.
Understand the difference... Yabut at Toyota.ca it says the Canadian version of the Camry LE gets 30 mpg in the city and 46 mpg on the highway (source (http://www.toyota.ca/cgi-bin/WebObjects/WWW.woa/22/wo/Home.Vehicles.Camry-7mGlbteOk62xJZFwiuAU9M/3.11?v103040e.html)...check the "Capacity" tab). On the other hand, Toyota.com says the US version of the Camry LE gets only 21 mpg in the city and 31 mpg on the highway (source (http://www.toyota.com/camry/trims-prices.html)).

I think DSTU is on to something. All you guys who bought your cars in the US wasted your money!! :razz:

(Yes, I am kidding...)

[Rehan]

It seems the price differences are not as extreme in the used vehicle market. I've been looking for a very slightly used minivan and yes they are cheaper in the US but not by much. Comparably equipped Toyota Siennas with similar mileage are only about 1-3k more expensive in Canada. I suppose this makes sense as it's very easy to import a used vehicle and its simply buyers going after the cheapest.

Anyone else noticed this trend? Yeah, this seems to be the case for the Siennas, which are a popular import by local used car dealers. I made a similar point over here (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6852771#post6852771).

[Sloan55]

Just a quick question. I am close to finalizing a deal on a 2008 GMC Acadia and the dealership tells me that it is equipped with a Pass Lock Key 3 system. They have documentation to prove it. Does this qualify as an Electronic Immobilizer System? Will I have any problems when I go to Canadian Tire to have my inspection done? Any help from anyone who has imported a post Sept 2008 vehicle would be appreciated.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Comparably equipped Toyota Siennas with similar mileage are only about 1-3k more expensive in Canada.

To put it in perspective, that extra $1000 - $3000 you're paying a dealer is PURE PROFIT since many of the dealers in Canada are importing used cars from the US. That money is going directly to line their pocket.

Over the few years I started this thread, I've learned that I really despise being ripped off.

The thought of some greasy forked-tongue sales rep. laughing at you as you leave the dealership is enough to keep me away. There was a story on CTV that showed the dealer reps. having a great time laughing at the unprepared car buyer.

As far as the liter to gallon debate, I use the conversion fuel additive which seems to negate any ill-effects I get pumping liters of gas in my new car.


If there's a debate to be had, it has more to do with the refiners. According to sources on the web, Canada is a major gas and oil producer. Unlike other producing countries, the refiners here actually gouge the consumer.

In comparison, In Venezuela, gas is the cheapest followed by the obvious oil-producing nations like Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.

In China, where there are more cars that in the US, gas prices are a third of what they are here.

You can't win the argument since they'll say, it has to do with the market size not the global demand.

[Rehan]

To put it in perspective, that extra $1000 - $3000 you're paying a dealer is PURE PROFIT since many of the dealers in Canada are importing used cars from the US. That money is going directly to line their pocket. "Pure profit" would be the case if they were providing no added value...but that's not the case here. By buying a used already-imported vehicle in Canada, a buyer would save the time and money associated with figuring out the process, chasing down a similar vehicle in the US, traveling there to bring it back, etc. It's not so bad when you're buying new and you can be assured that the vehicle is in new condition...but would you put a deposit down on a used vehicle without seeing it or driving it first? I certainly wouldn't. I assume buying within Canada offers more options for leasing and financing, too.

For many people, it's worth paying the relatively small markup to get those benefits.

[trenton1776]

Check with Nissan and the warranty manual but I believe the way it's worded says that if the vehicle is sold to a 2nd owner and imported into Canada before it's 6 months old, the warranty is void (I think it's basically to prevent Canadian used car dealerships from buying new Nissans in the US and re-selling as 'nearly-new' in Canada).

OK, here's the official word from Nissan.
New:
Full warranty applies as long as it was originally titled by you in the States AND it remains titled in your name for at least 6 months in Canada. After 6 months the warranty is fully transferable

Used:
Car must have been titled in the US for at least 6 months for warranty to be valid in Canada. If you bring in a used car less than 6 months old the warranty will only start to apply after the 6 month mark.

The woman I spoke with was very clear on the policy (it was clearly not the first time she explained this) and even took down my name and info to record the call in case there were any disagreements later on.

That's the info I have, I'm not sure where http://www.importcartocanada.info/tools/warranty-coverage-check/
got his info.

[PMREdmonton]

OK, here's the official word from Nissan.
New:
Full warranty applies as long as it was originally titled by you in the States AND it remains titled in your name for at least 6 months in Canada. After 6 months the warranty is fully transferable

Used:
Car must have been titled in the US for at least 6 months for warranty to be valid in Canada. If you bring in a used car less than 6 months old the warranty will only start to apply after the 6 month mark.

The woman I spoke with was very clear on the policy (it was clearly not the first time she explained this) and even took down my name and info to record the call in case there were any disagreements later on.

That's the info I have, I'm not sure where http://www.importcartocanada.info/tools/warranty-coverage-check/
got his info.

It would then seem that you still can't buy a Nissan in the USA with a transferrable warranty to Canada unless you have an American address which you can use to directly buy the car so you can title.

The other possibility would be if you could find a Nissan dealership to directly sell to you so you could be on the original title. That is, you could not use a broker to buy the vehicle for you.

[shopper-X]

It would then seem that you still can't buy a Nissan in the USA with a transferrable warranty to Canada unless you have an American address which you can use to directly buy the car so you can title.

The other possibility would be if you could find a Nissan dealership to directly sell to you so you could be on the original title. That is, you could not use a broker to buy the vehicle for you.

Wouldn't insuring the vehicle become an issue?
Even if you title it in the US and drive it Canada to store, you would only have 45days with RIV to complete the import which is under the 6 months (180 days) mark.

The only way would be to title it under a US relative/friend for 6 months and draft a bill of sale after the 6 months to purchase it. Again, not sure how insuring the vehicle would work.

The best would be to buy a dealer/executive demo that has been registered just over the 6 month mark.

[CheapScotsman]

It seems the price differences are not as extreme in the used vehicle market. I've been looking for a very slightly used minivan and yes they are cheaper in the US but not by much. Comparably equipped Toyota Siennas with similar mileage are only about 1-3k more expensive in Canada. I suppose this makes sense as it's very easy to import a used vehicle and its simply buyers going after the cheapest.

Anyone else noticed this trend?Well, I haven't priced anything on a Sienna in the last 7 weeks since I got mine but when I did you could get a new US LE with the appropriate options to make a CDN LE for about $26K from a US based broker. MSRP up here was $38K and the two I talked to weren't willing to move very much.

On the used side .... I missed a used 2007 Sienna LE 8 psgr with the same options as in Canada with only about 20k miles for $23K

I got a baseline 2007 US Sienna 8 psg LE (only a single power door) with less than 10k miles for $20k. Thats less than 1/2 price that you could pay for a brand new Sienna LE here (yes, I know it doesn't have the same options but, for me, the price was more important)

The best prices I can find on Vancouver craiglist today are all imports. There is one with 25K miles for 21K. All others start at 23K and have in the 25k miles as well.

The guy I bought my unit from in the States as a Sienna LE for $19.5K today with only 18k miles .... Why pay 3k more in Vancouver for the same import when you can save it and buy 3hrs south of here.

[Nitrate]

It would then seem that you still can't buy a Nissan in the USA with a transferrable warranty to Canada unless you have an American address which you can use to directly buy the car so you can title.

The other possibility would be if you could find a Nissan dealership to directly sell to you so you could be on the original title. That is, you could not use a broker to buy the vehicle for you.
When I was talking to Fleetrates three months ago, they said they could title the vehicle for their clients, i.e. they issue a title that is in Fleetrates name, signed in the back over to the client name. This is not to get around the Nissan warranty or any other Canadian import issue. It's something they have to do in some cases even for their local American customers. Apparently, some dealers they buy their vehicles from will not provide the MSO to them but instead, will only complete the deal if the vehicle is titled.

As far as the vehicle is concerned, it never leaves the dealer's lot and is still delivered to the customer as would have been normally done if the vehicle still had only the MSO. They title the vehicle in Arizona, using their subsidiary company. The unfortunate thing is that the titling process adds another 2-week delay to the overall wait time, which is already between 3 to 4 weeks normally.

The only other remaining problem with this is that the Nissan warranty still doesn't kick in until 6 months after purchase.

[michelb]

OK, here's the official word from Nissan.
New:
Full warranty applies as long as it was originally titled by you in the States AND it remains titled in your name for at least 6 months in Canada. After 6 months the warranty is fully transferable

Used:
Car must have been titled in the US for at least 6 months for warranty to be valid in Canada. If you bring in a used car less than 6 months old the warranty will only start to apply after the 6 month mark.

The woman I spoke with was very clear on the policy (it was clearly not the first time she explained this) and even took down my name and info to record the call in case there were any disagreements later on.

That's the info I have, I'm not sure where http://www.importcartocanada.info/tools/warranty-coverage-check/
got his info.

I'm a bit sceptical of this interpretation - Nissan's warranty manual has this portion:


This warranty is generally transferable from the original
‘owner other than a Nissan dealer’ (OWNER) to
subsequent owners of the vehicle at any time ownership of
the vehicle is transferred, without any action on your part;
except that this warranty is not transferable but is instead
void if during the first six months after delivery to the original
OWNER: (1) ownership of the vehicle is transferred from
the original OWNER, and (2) the vehicle is registered
outside of the United States.


From my interpretation, this reads that the warranty is void if it's transferred to someone other than the original owner and registered outside the US during the first 6 months.

[brew99]

I'm a bit sceptical of this interpretation - Nissan's warranty manual has this portion:



From my interpretation, this reads that the warranty is void if it's transferred to someone other than the original owner and registered outside the US during the first 6 months.

I agree with your interpretation, as I just got off the phone with Nissan Canada to inquire about a used (1 month old) Nisssan. the Customer Service lady said that if the vehicle was originally titled in the USA, and then sold and exported from the USA within the first 6 months, the warranty would be void. It does not transfer over in this case.

I guess a third party warranty would be an option in this case!

[Danno2005]

Yabut at Toyota.ca it says the Canadian version of the Camry LE gets 30 mpg in the city and 46 mpg on the highway (source (http://www.toyota.ca/cgi-bin/WebObjects/WWW.woa/22/wo/Home.Vehicles.Camry-7mGlbteOk62xJZFwiuAU9M/3.11?v103040e.html)...check the "Capacity" tab). On the other hand, Toyota.com says the US version of the Camry LE gets only 21 mpg in the city and 31 mpg on the highway (source (http://www.toyota.com/camry/trims-prices.html)).

I think DSTU is on to something. All you guys who bought your cars in the US wasted your money!! :razz:

(Yes, I am kidding...)

A couple of key points:

US Gallon = 128 oz while Imperial Gallon = 160 oz.

US has moved to more realistic MPG numbers versus Canada in 2008 ratings. Canada may catch up in 2009 or 2010 or never.

You are comparing apples and oranges.

[michelb]

It seems the price differences are not as extreme in the used vehicle market. I've been looking for a very slightly used minivan and yes they are cheaper in the US but not by much. Comparably equipped Toyota Siennas with similar mileage are only about 1-3k more expensive in Canada. I suppose this makes sense as it's very easy to import a used vehicle and its simply buyers going after the cheapest.

Anyone else noticed this trend?

I think either you aren't comparing the same trim or your area has very low prices because, as CheapScottsman said, you can find very significant savings on used Siennas from the US. We both bought ours at around the same time and we both saved a lot (I think I saved at least $8k over a similar equipped Sienna in Ottawa (provided I could even find one)). In Ottawa, it's not hard to find used dealerships selling US Siennas and when I brought mine for service they had a Limited like ours but 2 years older and with less options (no nav) and they were asking more than I paid for ours even after shipping and other expenses.

[Nitrate]

It would then seem that you still can't buy a Nissan in the USA with a transferrable warranty to Canada unless you have an American address which you can use to directly buy the car so you can title.

The other possibility would be if you could find a Nissan dealership to directly sell to you so you could be on the original title. That is, you could not use a broker to buy the vehicle for you.
(I thought I had already posted my reply but I can't find it on the thread, so I'm resubmitting below...Sorry if this turns out to be a double post...)

When I was talking to Fleetrates three months ago, they said they could title the vehicle for their clients, i.e. they issue a title in Fleetrates name, and signed in the back for the new customer. This is not to get around the Nissan warranty or any other Canadian import issue. It's something they have to do in a few cases even for their local American customers. Apparently, some dealers they buy their vehicles from will not provide the MSO to them but instead, will only complete the deal if the vehicle is titled. As far as the vehicle is concerned, it never leaves the dealer's lot and is still delivered to the customer as would have been normally done if the vehicle still had only the MSO.

The unfortunate thing is that the titling process adds another 2-week delay to the overall wait time, which is already between 3 to 4 weeks normally. They title the vehicle in Arizona, using their subsidiary company.

This only addresses titling but not Nissan's warranty issues. It looks like after reading michelb's post, then Nissan will void the warranty if you're the 2nd owner (the broker being the "original") and importing it to Canada.

[nazawale]

I am planning to buy 2009 Acura TSX. 2 Questions

Does this vehicle considered for 6.1 custon duty?

Is the warranty transferable?

[Georgian]

A couple of key points:

US Gallon = 128 oz while Imperial Gallon = 160 oz.

US has moved to more realistic MPG numbers versus Canada in 2008 ratings. Canada may catch up in 2009 or 2010 or never.

You are comparing apples and oranges.

US now has a much more realistic mpg estimate, see www.fueleconomy.org. Based on this website, CRV would get about
19mpg in the city, which is much closer to my actual experience. The original 24mpg is just not real! Reading the car ads in toronto newspaper, such as a GMC acadia stating over 20 mpg, and then check this website, you will find out the more realistic estimate - 16- 19 mpg. This is more like it!

[uberanch]

Before I bit the bullet and decided to import, I looked around for used Siennas. I could not believe how many US vehicles are on used car lots I found. Some of them even advertised the mileage without showing the units (km or miles) seeing that the miles are lower numerically. One of them in Coquitlam said about 90% of his vehicles are imports. I phoned him about a Sienna that he advertised in autotrader. After first finding out it's a US import, I then found out it's not even in his lot yet, it's still in transit from California! He's advertising vehicles as soon as he's bought them.

The prices I found on used American Sienna's were comparable with the local Canadian versions. In fact one would not be able to tell the difference based on price alone. These used car dealers are importing at a discount and selling locally at huge markups and the diff goes to their pockets and CBC says this will help lower prices in Canada? I don't see how. Something does stink.

Even though the costs are low and there are potential for huge markups, since many Canadian used car dealers are doing it, there are still competitions and with a bigger profit margin, they have room to sell the US used cars at a more aggressive and lower prices than current market prices, just to get more businesses from other local competitors. This will lower the over all used car prices.

I actually noticed used car/van prices in my area dropped quite a bit just for the past 6 months than before, thus in turn lower the trade-in value of my vehicle. :cry:

[shopper-X]

I am planning to buy 2009 Acura TSX. 2 Questions

Does this vehicle considered for 6.1 custon duty?

Is the warranty transferable?

Before you get flamed, try the "Search this Thread" option at the top of every page. You'll be surprised what you'll find out.
TIP: Use the "+" (plus sign) to search more then one word.

http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/6561/searchbl2.png

[manitou]

I am planning to buy 2009 Acura TSX. 2 Questions

Does this vehicle considered for 6.1 custon duty?

Is the warranty transferable?

TSX 2009 is not in RIV now ! ( http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/VAFUS.pdf )

Yes ! for 6.1 duty TSX is made in Japan !
All Honda and Acura have no warranty transferable !
I'm wait the TSX 2009 was on the Riv list and a go buy ma second Acura U.S.
Good Loock !

[PrimeBane]

Just a quick question. I am close to finalizing a deal on a 2008 GMC Acadia and the dealership tells me that it is equipped with a Pass Lock Key 3 system. They have documentation to prove it. Does this qualify as an Electronic Immobilizer System? Will I have any problems when I go to Canadian Tire to have my inspection done? Any help from anyone who has imported a post Sept 2008 vehicle would be appreciated.

Assuming you mean the Pass-key III system, yes that's the imobilizer. :)

[Cars4Canadians]

i'm really disappointed with the Canadian dealers/manufacturers etc..

those BMW/AUDI/MERCEDES bastards still charge an arm and leg above what the americans pay for their cars...


LOL i hope these bastards all of them go under, and go belly up, stupid dogs.

[tradespectrum]

Mark.

[uberanch]

...
In China, where there are more cars that in the US, gas prices are a third of what they are here.
...


I read on news that in China, the government control the gas prices at the pump, so even with rising oil prices, the gas company cannot raise the gas prices at the pump without government approval, and thus are losing money... :confused: state control is not a good thing I guess... ;)

[Anonymouse]

Canada also had price controls on petroleum products during the 70s; it was effectively a subsidy of the rest of Canada by the West. It could happen again, though not under the present government.

[swiler]

Anyone recommend a Ford dealership on the East Coast?

I successfully imported a Subaru last year from Van Bortel. I'm now looking at my second import .... a truck this time.

Thks

[zircon]

I am planning to buy 2009 Acura TSX. 2 Questions

Does this vehicle considered for 6.1 custon duty?

Is the warranty transferable?

Why would you buy a 09 tsx? They screwed it up and its price will plummet in about 4 months. Just wait. Read LA Times, Edmunds, Car and Driver, NY Times, Boston Globe or any other reputable review. They hate the steering (numb), lack of significant engine change, and an ugly snout. Edmunds savaged it. In about 10 months it will have a wicked diesel, which will change things significantly.

All tsx's are Japanese built and subject to duty. And Honda cancels the warranty in both countries. Oddly, Honda Canada called me tonight enquiring about a CRV we bought in 02. I told the woman we 'used' to be a Honda/Acura family, with 4 new vehicles of theirs since 1999. I told her I would not buy another Honda product in Canada due to their ripoff prices, and outrageous tactics to USA dealers not to sell to Canadians, plus canceling the warranty. I HATE ripoff artists. She thanked me for my comments.

[zircon]

Having just slagged Honda Canada, I want to import an Acura to Canada. I have read the threads regarding the recall letter and one poster was correct. You register a vehicle with Honda USA web site and you can see it has no outstanding recalls. however, the screen showing that result does NOT list the VIn at the same time. What to do? Anyone import Honda or Acura in the last month? What did you do to get around this problem? Cheers

[DSTU]

Of course I was Joking :razz:

Almost everything is cheaper in the US!!!!

I'm looking for rigid foam - Home Depot canada $11.50 US one - $7.78.

My favourite - Ben and Jerry's - $3.00 MMM MMMM MMMMM!!!!!

[wdwd]

Hi,

I plan to buy a Sienna from states.

First my friend at Maryland will buy the sienna, then he will sell it to me.

I have some questions:

1. After my friend buys this car, can he sell it to me immediately? For example, on the same day, in several days, or a week?

2. When I bring this car back to canada, what the price should be declared in the bill of sale? For example, the same price at which my friend buys from the deal? Or a price lower than that dealer price.

3.If I buy from my friend in states, when I pay the canada tax, should I pay 13% (PST+GST) or 8%(PST) only?

Any information is appreciated.

[Nitrate]

Almost everything is cheaper in the US!!!!"Almost" is correct! I just purchased a Garmin Nuvi 760 GPS for my recently imported Sienna from costco.ca for $389 CAD with free shipping. This cleanly beats the $410 US price at Amazon (not to mention the $799 CAD prices at the local BestBuy and Futureshop...ugh!).

However, I needed the friction mount and leather case for it, and Amazon.com beats the local vendors by a total of $35 bucks (free shipping to my US address, woohoo).

[Monky]

Oddly, Honda Canada called me tonight enquiring about a CRV we bought in 02. I told the woman we 'used' to be a Honda/Acura family, with 4 new vehicles of theirs since 1999. I told her I would not buy another Honda product in Canada due to their ripoff prices, and outrageous tactics to USA dealers not to sell to Canadians, plus canceling the warranty. I HATE ripoff artists. She thanked me for my comments.

Great response!

[Monky]

Having just slagged Honda Canada, I want to import an Acura to Canada. I have read the threads regarding the recall letter and one poster was correct. You register a vehicle with Honda USA web site and you can see it has no outstanding recalls. however, the screen showing that result does NOT list the VIn at the same time. What to do? Anyone import Honda or Acura in the last month? What did you do to get around this problem? Cheers

I am going to import an Odyssey in the next couple of weeks and spoke to RIV last week. They take care of the recall letter so no need for us to get it. This is what the person at RIV told me over the phone so I hope it is correct.

[zircon]

I am going to import an Odyssey in the next couple of weeks and spoke to RIV last week. They take care of the recall letter so no need for us to get it. This is what the person at RIV told me over the phone so I hope it is correct.

Monky, good luck with the import. I did a Lexus last year and it was much easier than it seems at first. It is amazing how Honda Canada is willing to lose long-term customers - they just write us off. My friend is a Honda dealer and he agreed with me that they (corporate Honda) were screwing Canadians. Too bad - I will go out of my way not to do business with companies that I feel are dishonest. They will have lost 5-6 years of my family's business once I do my next transaction - they will have lost one generation of sales. Getting the call from them out of the blue tonight for my opinion was icing on the cake. I was polite but resolute with the woman. It seemed she had heard my responses before. She too was polite.

[zircon]

Last question: I have found 1 post on here regarding Minnesota sales tax. Carburner did not list Minnesota.

Is Minnesota a tax free state if I export? Thanks.

When I bought the (used) Lexus in Connecticut last year, there was no sales tax due.

[PrimeBane]

I didn't pay Minnesota state tax when I imported in February... you may need to sign something saying you intend to plate it out of state. Confirm with the dealer before you purchase.

[zircon]

I didn't pay Minnesota state tax when I imported in February... you may need to sign something saying you intend to plate it out of state. Confirm with the dealer before you purchase.

Thanks Prime. I checked Edmunds forums and 2-3 people report the same as you. No sales tax in MN.

[thegradas]

Wow, you're right!
Even Toyota confirms this... take a look @ 2009 Corolla mileage on toyota.ca (31/42) and toyota.com (27/35)



;) :idea: :confused: :)



Sorry to say buddy - the web site is wrong.

Canadian Cars are much cheaper to run since they run on Liters which is more than a US Gallon - so you get a bonus of 30% in the mileage of a Canadian Car.

So don't buy a US spec car - get a Canadian one!!!

[shopper-X]

Wow, you're right!
Even Toyota confirms this... take a look @ 2009 Corolla mileage on toyota.ca (31/42) and toyota.com (27/35)



;) :idea: :confused: :)

There are new EPA standards (http://www.fueleconomy.gov/FEG/ratings2008.shtml) in the US that are not adapted in Canada (yet?).


Starting in model year 2008, estimates will reflect the effects of

Faster Speeds & Acceleration
Air Conditioner Use
Colder Outside Temperatures



There is an EPA Calculator (http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/calculator.html) that you can use to convert the old to new EPA estimates: EPA Calculator (http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/calculator.html)
Using the above example of toyota.ca 31/42 and using the calculator, I get pretty close to the toyota.com 27/35 (I got 27/38.)

[Rehan]

Just to clarify... I was kidding in my earlier comments about the mileage difference. (The post actually had some semi-hidden text that said I was kidding.)

Danno2005's response to that was right on -- the difference is due to imperial gallons vs. US gallons and the improvements in the way the EPA calculates mileage.

:)

[americaneagle23]

warranty Problem.................................

otherwise i will buy from us

[noodles]

Having just slagged Honda Canada, I want to import an Acura to Canada. I have read the threads regarding the recall letter and one poster was correct. You register a vehicle with Honda USA web site and you can see it has no outstanding recalls. however, the screen showing that result does NOT list the VIn at the same time. What to do? Anyone import Honda or Acura in the last month? What did you do to get around this problem? Cheers

I imported a Honda Pilot about a month or so ago. You print off the page that says it has no recalls, you also print off the "My Vehicle" description, which has the VIN and all the options and crap like that. Fax that to RIV and you're good. You can also email the recall people to make sure it's fine (which I did). recall@riv.ca

[Cars4Canadians]

I read on news that in China, the government control the gas prices at the pump, so even with rising oil prices, the gas company cannot raise the gas prices at the pump without government approval, and thus are losing money... :confused: state control is not a good thing I guess... ;)

The world has gone upside down,
China is exporting stuff and we are feeding them with cash, which their government uses to subsidize gasoline at the pump there.

I just want to know why we are having to pay so much for gasoline if our country has enough oil to sell it to us for 70Cents per liter? Have we sold our resources to England/Dutch/American/Chinese interests and now rely on meager droppings they leave the government in terms of taxes?

[guow_99]

I am going to import an Odyssey in the next couple of weeks and spoke to RIV last week. They take care of the recall letter so no need for us to get it. This is what the person at RIV told me over the phone so I hope it is correct.

This info is correct. I imported an Acura a couple of weeks ago and I indeed got the Form2 without sending them the recall letter, even though I got one from the dealer (I was told by RIV no recall letter is required for Honda/Acura when I phoned them).

[st7860]

The world has gone upside down,
China is exporting stuff and we are feeding them with cash, which their government uses to subsidize gasoline at the pump there.

I just want to know why we are having to pay so much for gasoline if our country has enough oil to sell it to us for 70Cents per liter? Have we sold our resources to England/Dutch/American/Chinese interests and now rely on meager droppings they leave the government in terms of taxes?

the canadian government refuses to drop the gas taxes.

[Zeev20]

They won't they are making to much money on GAS right now the higher the price of gas the more money they make!

[fly]

I tend to agree that any large dealership would not want or need this hassle. However from a legal perspective, I still suspect its a lot more complex given that we are Canadian citizens dealing with an American company in the USA. I aprreciate the feedback and those are good points about the wiring of money. Did you receive the purchase agreement by fax before wiring the money? I guess another option would be giving a depost then bringing a draft with you when picking up the car..I believe some people have done that.

From a legal perspective, it makes no difference if you're Canadian or American if you're ripped off by someone in the US -- think of all the snowbirds living in Florida if there's no legal recourse for Canadians. You can hire a lawyer who works on Contingent Fee (if they don't win, you don't pay). However, if you don't feel comfortable wiring the money, then go the bank draft route. I do have to warn you that you should go on a weekday to pick up the car since they'll need to go to the bank to verify/clear the draft, which could take a few hours.

From our perspective, we wanted to make sure everything was set before we went so we would just go there and pick up the car and go.

[thegradas]

It seems that everybody's joking these days :) but some get nervous :(

To me, what's important is the real world mileage... I keep track of it on mymilemarker for 1 year and can tell you this:
TDIs and turbos get better mileage than the government's estimates. Cannot say the same thing with the NA engine.

Also, considering the mileage reported on Edmunds.com, it looks like the gas NA engines are favored by EPA and TC. What will happen if the average consumer will find out that a 4 cyl. turbo or TDI midsize car can get similar mileage to a compact car with a NA engine while getting more HP and torque?... this is called protection.
I bet this will change once more manufacturers will offer turbos and TDIs on the North American market.




There are new EPA standards (http://www.fueleconomy.gov/FEG/ratings2008.shtml) in the US that are not adapted in Canada (yet?).




There is an EPA Calculator (http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/calculator.html) that you can use to convert the old to new EPA estimates: EPA Calculator (http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/calculator.html)
Using the above example of toyota.ca 31/42 and using the calculator, I get pretty close to the toyota.com 27/35 (I got 27/38.)

[HP_John]

Hi,

I plan to buy a Sienna from states.

First my friend at Maryland will buy the sienna, then he will sell it to me.

I have some questions:

1. After my friend buys this car, can he sell it to me immediately? For example, on the same day, in several days, or a week?

2. When I bring this car back to canada, what the price should be declared in the bill of sale? For example, the same price at which my friend buys from the deal? Or a price lower than that dealer price.

3.If I buy from my friend in states, when I pay the canada tax, should I pay 13% (PST+GST) or 8%(PST) only?

Any information is appreciated.

Have you looked into buying it yourself from a Toyota dealer that would sell new to Cdns? Otherwise you're paying taxes twice, 1st your friend will get charged state taxes, then you'll have to pay Cdn taxes.

Some states don't charge taxes for car buyers out of state.

[aphextwin2050]

To be fair, Audi has dropped the price for the A4 significantly for what you get. Its' 42,600 including Tech / Premium package and s-line trim. This is the last year for the B7 model, it's a great price but I would rather wait for the b8 to come out this september. Plus it's 15% better on gas! that would be the main reason.


i'm really disappointed with the Canadian dealers/manufacturers etc..

those BMW/AUDI/MERCEDES bastards still charge an arm and leg above what the americans pay for their cars...


LOL i hope these bastards all of them go under, and go belly up, stupid dogs.

[usacars2canada]

Does anyone know what the payment options are for purchasing a vehicle in the states? Is leasing an option? Apologies is this has been covered under this topic but this is a long thread. Thanks!

Sorry for the late reply. Yes, leasing is available with us now! We haven't posted until it is proven to work now.

We have been working hard to make leasing an available option for our customers. We are now able to lease our US imported vehicles, and we have customers doing that already.

Our partner leasing company will be able to give our customers a rate of P + 1%. Here are some sample scenarios:
(Disclaimer: Each individual lease is different, therefore the pricing may vary.)

Open End Lease Proposal 1 Proposal 2 Proposal 3 Proposal 4
Term (months):.......36.................48............. ..36.................48......
Capital Cost:.....$36,000.........$36,000.......$36,000... ....$36,000....
Lease set up:.........500................500.............500 ..............500......
Money Down:.....-10,000..........-10,000.............0.................0.......
Amt Financed:.....26,500...........26,500.........36,5 00.........36,500...
Guaranteed End
Value:.................13,235..........10,585..... .....14,650..........11,000......
Monthly Pay$:..510.46+tax....461.79+tax...776.28+tax...686 .43+tax...

Lease Rates:
• Freight, Air Tax, and Pre Delivery Expense all INCLUDED in monthly payment;
• No penalty for early buyout or extension as per “Rental Payout Schedule”
• Open End Lease where lessee guarantee’s the end value with UNLIMITED Kilometers;
• Payment can be changed by putting money down or adjusting the end value;

Due at Signing:
• Fuel Conservation Tax, PPSA registration ($60.00), License plates and sticker;
• First month (pro rate if in middle of month)
• $500 security deposit
• Down payment plus tax

Please PM or email us if you have any questions.

[zircon]

warranty Problem.................................

otherwise i will buy from us

Yes and no. If you buy a poorly rated car whose warranty gets cancelled, you are likely to regret it. On the other hand, if you save >10K and buy a very reliable vehicle, you can 'self-insure' or buy a 3rd party warranty. My tsx is almost 5 years old, and the only thing that went wrong was lights on the stereo (Consumer Reports gave the car high ratings for everything except the radio, so they hit the nail on the head). The head unit apparently cost $1200 to replace, but this only affected the 1st year cars. I would take my risk and get a low mileage 07 or 08 with no concerns.

[zircon]

To be fair, Audi has dropped the price for the A4 significantly for what you get. Its' 42,600 including Tech / Premium package and s-line trim. This is the last year for the B7 model, it's a great price but I would rather wait for the b8 to come out this september. Plus it's 15% better on gas! that would be the main reason.

Agreed. They are the least offensive of the luxury German makers. Why anyone would buy BMW or MB is beyond me.

[sjefenole]

I would like to have this clarified:
After I enter Canada, I want to email/fax my form 1 and follow up with call in order to receive Form 2 as soon as possible, correct?

Then when I have that I take vehicle to Canadian tire which performs federal and provincial inspection (BC) and stamps my form 2.

Can I license it right away or must I wait 2 weeks for my label to get my plates?

[PrimeBane]

As soon as you get your form 2 stamped, you can get it plated and start driving. :)

[sjefenole]

Thank god.
And how do I get around with this unlicensed vehicle? Can you still get temp permits from ICBC like other vehicles? I suppose it is _imported_ regardless of being licensed or not and that is what matters... am I right in assuming this?

[Nitrate]

And how do I get around with this unlicensed vehicle? Can you still get temp permits from ICBC like other vehicles? I suppose it is _imported_ regardless of being licensed or not and that is what matters... am I right in assuming this?
Just to clarify, after a successful inspection you get back your Form 1, stamped by CT. You never see your Form 2 again, they fax it to RIV. You also get 2 copies of a Private Vehicle Inspection report, indicating "passed", one of which you surrender to the insurance agent when you get the vehicle insured.

To be able to drive your vehicle to CT, first go to your local Autoplan broker (not with the imported vehicle of course). Purchase a temporary operating permit (ICBC APV10) which costs $21 that includes $1M 3rd-party liability and basic collision/comprehensive coverage. You'll get a 2-part TOP which you must affix to the rear and front windshields. You can then drive to CT. Good luck.

[sjefenole]

That's what I thought. I can just get those temp passes to drive it with.
So can I just get a few days worth of those to drive it while I wait for Form 2? (I.e. as soon as I enter Canada I can drive to an Autoplan broker _with_ the imported vehicle on my way home)
Alternatively, can I purchase that day pass ahead of time?

And I've used those temporary operating permits before so I know sort of how they work.

[Nitrate]

So can I just get a few days worth of those to drive it while I wait for Form 2? (I.e. as soon as I enter Canada I can drive to an Autoplan broker _with_ the imported vehicle on my way home)
Alternatively, can I purchase that day pass ahead of time?
I've heard conflicting reports on this. One person I've talked to said you could do what you're thinking of and drive the vehicle "without prior inspection" anywhere (for groceries, to work, etc.) with just a TOP. Another person said TOP's are only issued for vehicles as a stop gap measure, i.e. vehicle must have had prior insurance in Canada, and if issued for imported vehicles, then they only issue "point-to-point" insurance/TOP where the origin and destination are specified on the TOP itself, i.e. you cannot get caught driving anywhere unless it's within the origin and destination.

I was certainly given a 1-day TOP by ICBC with a specified point-to-point (from home to inspection centre). This was after they asked what it was for and after I mentioned it's for safety inspection of an imported vehicle. Anyway, that was all I needed for that day, and didn't ask about other types of TOP.

I know that TOP's range from 1 day to 15 days. But if I were you, I'd ask ICBC and then let us know what they say.

[pulsar]

I was told by ICBC that for imported vehicles, the TOP is issued only for ONE day.

[Marzipan]

The world has gone upside down,
China is exporting stuff and we are feeding them with cash, which their government uses to subsidize gasoline at the pump there.


A few years from now we will see the Chinese highways crammed with even more shiney cars .... and North Americans riding bicycles, scooters and motorcycles.

[CheapScotsman]

Okay ... so here is the problem. CT filled out the form and sent it to RIV but forgot to check the box at the bottom indicating that the vehicle passed (or failed). Back to CT I go.

Just got back. Good thing they are only a 5 minute drive away. No problems in filing out section 5 and I had them back date it (hopefully this won't be a problem with RIV) as the form expired on May 9th.

When I phoned RIV this morning they indicated that it would take up to 3 business days to update the file so I will phone on Weds to make sure that things are right.
So I phoned today and RIV indicated my file was up to date and there were no issues ... I should get my compliance sticker in the mail in two weeks.

[nikick]

To be fair, Audi has dropped the price for the A4 significantly for what you get. Its' 42,600 including Tech / Premium package and s-line trim. This is the last year for the B7 model, it's a great price but I would rather wait for the b8 to come out this september. Plus it's 15% better on gas! that would be the main reason.


i have been looking at Audi TT, even though they lower the price, the price difference is still close to $10,000... so I said "no, thanks" to the cdn audi sales guy, but I did get a nice test ride :cheesygri

US: $34,800
cdn $44,400...with already reduced MSRP + cash incentive...
old cdn MSRP" $50,600

[nikick]

Hi,

I plan to buy a Sienna from states.

First my friend at Maryland will buy the sienna, then he will sell it to me.

I have some questions:

1. After my friend buys this car, can he sell it to me immediately? For example, on the same day, in several days, or a week?

2. When I bring this car back to canada, what the price should be declared in the bill of sale? For example, the same price at which my friend buys from the deal? Or a price lower than that dealer price.

3.If I buy from my friend in states, when I pay the canada tax, should I pay 13% (PST+GST) or 8%(PST) only?

Any information is appreciated.

Your friend will have to tell the dealer that you going to register it in another state, so you can avoid the state tax. OR your friend can buy the car for you from another state which has no state tax. e.g. Minnesota

I think you only have to pay 8% tax since your friend sell you an "used" car...

anyone!?

[nazawale]

I know its stupid but I like to hear from expert users about the best websites for searching cars in US. How about the ebay motors. how much stuff are accurate specailly cars which cost more. I found few good deals in ebay motors. Has anyone has any experience with ebay motors. plz let me know

[mangoman]

Doesn't look like a possible vehicle although technically it is in the "Admissible" column. After an initial response of telling me to contact Toyota Canada and the www.riv.ca site, the revised reply I got to my inquiry was this:

Thanks for the quick reply, however the reason I am emailing is because Toyota Canada says that they do not have any information as Scions are not sold as new vehicles in Canada. Because of this, the notice on the website you mentioned (www.riv.ca) states to contact the US manufacturer (Scion/Toyota USA) for information.

As for my other question, does the xD have an engine immobilizer/ chipped key or something similar for theft prevention?


Thanks for contacting Scion again!! We apologize for the inconvenience, you may need to contact an importer for information on taking the vehicle into Canada. Our information is limited since we don't assist in that process. The document that we provide is a Special Service Campaign clearance letter for the vehicle.


In regards to your inquiry the xD is not equipped with an engine immobilizer. We apologize for that inconvenience.


Kyle Oshiro
Scion Customer Experience


Who knows maybe Toyota will bring it at some point as the "Urban Cruiser" (not likely though as it would steal sales from the Yaris and Matrix - it falls somewhere in between in terms of size).

[bkushner]

Has anybody had to get to Coutts Alberta to pick up a car yet? I live in Calgary and am hoping to get the car dropped in Sweet Grass MT. It looks like there is no bus to the border.

[jingyu]

I think your friend has to title the car in his state first before he can sell to you otherwise you can not license your car in Canada at least in Ontario. I got the answer from a local license office. Can some one clarify this too?


Originally Posted by wdwd View Post
Hi,

I plan to buy a Sienna from states.

First my friend at Maryland will buy the sienna, then he will sell it to me.

I have some questions:

1. After my friend buys this car, can he sell it to me immediately? For example, on the same day, in several days, or a week?

2. When I bring this car back to canada, what the price should be declared in the bill of sale? For example, the same price at which my friend buys from the deal? Or a price lower than that dealer price.

3.If I buy from my friend in states, when I pay the canada tax, should I pay 13% (PST+GST) or 8%(PST) only?

Any information is appreciated.

nikick:
Your friend will have to tell the dealer that you going to register it in another state, so you can avoid the state tax. OR your friend can buy the car for you from another state which has no state tax. e.g. Minnesota

I think you only have to pay 8% tax since your friend sell you an "used" car...

anyone!?

[usacars2canada]

Just to clarify, after a successful inspection you get back your Form 1, stamped by CT. You never see your Form 2 again, they fax it to RIV. You also get 2 copies of a Private Vehicle Inspection report, indicating "passed", one of which you surrender to the insurance agent when you get the vehicle insured.
Ask CT to give you a copy of the stamped Form 2. We have customers come back after a few months, saying that RIV is asking for proof of Form 2. Obviously we did the inspection at CT previously and they said that they faxed to RIV already. CT may or may not have your Form 2 record anymore, so it is better to keep your own copy, which we always do.

[Marzipan]

Has anybody had to get to Coutts Alberta to pick up a car yet? I live in Calgary and am hoping to get the car dropped in Sweet Grass MT. It looks like there is no bus to the border.

If anyone has a way to get to Sweetgrass and either time it right to meet an autocarrier or get to a storage yard I too would like to know.

An auto trader and transporter based in Great Falls MT specializes in shipping for Canadians. Give Taylor's AutoMax (http://www.taylorsautomax.com/used_inventory.htm?bhcp=1) a review.

[Marzipan]

Not too long ago I priced out a new vehicle in the $20-25k price range with the intent of buying thru FleetRates. The price was not attractive.

Their price was about $750 below MSRP for me to pick up in a US city with a convenient airport. There was at that time $2,000 of manufacturer's cash incentives available. I bet FleetRates needs $2k or more to do a deal. That is easier to find on the $30k + purchases.

[bkushner]

Taylor wanted 1675 shipping from Baton Rouge to Great Falls and 550 from GF to Calgary. I have quotes from cascade and Red Hat for 1050 to Sweet Grass. I think I might be hitch hiking from Lethbridge.

[Nitrate]

Not too long ago I priced out a new vehicle in the $20-25k price range with the intent of buying thru FleetRates. The price was not attractive.

Their price was about $750 below MSRP for me to pick up in a US city with a convenient airport. There was at that time $2,000 of manufacturer's cash incentives available. I bet FleetRates needs $2k or more to do a deal. That is easier to find on the $30k + purchases.
It certainly will vary with the vehicle being purchased. I just imported a '08 Sienna LE plus options for over $25K USD through Fleetrates. The price was about $2200 below US MSRP, and very close to invoice. Note: no cash incentives from Toyota at the time I bought (Feb 2008).

[the Bez]

It certainly will vary with the vehicle being purchased. I just imported a '08 Sienna LE plus options for over $25K USD through Fleetrates. The price was about $2200 below US MSRP, and very close to invoice. Note: no cash incentives from Toyota at the time I bought (Feb 2008).

Is anyone else having problems accessing Fleetrates.com?? All I get is a blank screen and the title says "Determining Extended Properties" while the address bar shows fleetrates.com/index.htm. I've been trying for this past week and this is what I get. Curious to know if others have the same problem.

[dealcatcher]

I am going to import an Odyssey in the next couple of weeks and spoke to RIV last week. They take care of the recall letter so no need for us to get it. This is what the person at RIV told me over the phone so I hope it is correct.

I heard that honda & toyota us dealers are not allow to sell to Canadian on new cars? is that true?

[Marzipan]

Is anyone else having problems accessing Fleetrates.com?? All I get is a blank screen and the title says "Determining Extended Properties" while the address bar shows fleetrates.com/index.htm. I've been trying for this past week and this is what I get. Curious to know if others have the same problem.

No problem ... ever. The page I get is
http://www.fleetrates.com/index.htm?bhcp=1
That bit tacked on to the end may be the "extended properties". Try that link.

[Monky]

I heard that honda & toyota us dealers are not allow to sell to Canadian on new cars? is that true?

Yes. I belive majority of dealers are not allowed to sell to Canadians directly. I am having a US friend buy and resell to us.

[usacars2canada]

I heard that honda & toyota us dealers are not allow to sell to Canadian on new cars? is that true?

That is correct. You either have to ask your US friends and relatives to purchase the vehicle for you first (and they will have to pay state tax at the state they live), or go through an import broker like us.

[the Bez]

No problem ... ever. The page I get is
http://www.fleetrates.com/index.htm?bhcp=1
That bit tacked on to the end may be the "extended properties". Try that link.

I get the same blank screen using that link. Anyone else having the same problem? Maybe it's my system, I have no idea.

[Nitrate]

That is correct. You either have to ask your US friends and relatives to purchase the vehicle for you first (and they will have to pay state tax at the state they live), or go through an import broker like us.Not entirely true. There's still some dealers willing to sell new to Canadians (e.g. a Toyota dealer in Bellingham WA) but they're not moving much from their MSRP. The upside is that if they have your vehicle in stock, you can have it imported within a week.

The other option is a US broker to buy it for you (no state tax) and have a shipping company deliver it right to your door or to a border town where you pick it up.

[thenwhat]

The other option is a US broker to buy it for you (no state tax) and have a shipping company deliver it right to your door or to a border town where you pick it up.

So can people name few US brokers you have dealt with?
Just want to shop around by quote few prices first. cheers.

[SeeWhy2]

I get the same blank screen using that link. Anyone else having the same problem? Maybe it's my system, I have no idea.

I accessed the link just fine.
FYI,

[rjmbc]

Not entirely true. There's still some dealers willing to sell new to Canadians (e.g. a Toyota dealer in Bellingham WA) but they're not moving much from their MSRP. The upside is that if they have your vehicle in stock, you can have it imported within a week.

The other option is a US broker to buy it for you (no state tax) and have a shipping company deliver it right to your door or to a border town where you pick it up.

There is a third alternative! Have a US registered company buy the vehicle on your behalf and immediately transfer the vehicle to you. This is similar to Fleetrates except the vehicle is registered (in a no sales tax state) and then sold to you by "Bill of Sale". Assuming the vehicle is in stock, this whole process can take less than a week.

You deal directly with the dealer & pick the vehicle up at their lot. The price is whatever you can negotiate with the dealer, plus the charges below.

The cost is $250 to use the company plus $500-$600 for preparation of all legal documents buying, registering & transferring the vehicle to you. It also includes preparation of the "export documentation & border notification"

It works well! If you want more details, PM me.

[bkushner]

So can people name few US brokers you have dealt with?
Just want to shop around by quote few prices first. cheers.

Try Ben at hacheyimports, he does a great job. He is Canadian.

[Danielv2000]

I am having a car shipped from Florida to Plattsburgh, New York and will cross through the Lacolle, Quebec border to import it back to Montreal. What do I need to do to be able to drive the car in New York and cross the border? DO I need a temporary license from New York state? Where would I get that? I presume I also need to show proof of insurance?

HELP!:-0

[dealcatcher]

There is a third alternative! Have a US registered company buy the vehicle on your behalf and immediately transfer the vehicle to you. This is similar to Fleetrates except the vehicle is registered (in a no sales tax state) and then sold to you by "Bill of Sale". Assuming the vehicle is in stock, this whole process can take less than a week.

You deal directly with the dealer & pick the vehicle up at their lot. The price is whatever you can negotiate with the dealer, plus the charges below.

The cost is $250 to use the company plus $500-$600 for preparation of all legal documents buying, registering & transferring the vehicle to you. It also includes preparation of the "export documentation & border notification"

It works well! If you want more details, PM me.


Please name a few us brokers?

[Nitrate]

I am having a car shipped from Florida to Plattsburgh, New York and will cross through the Lacolle, Quebec border to import it back to Montreal. What do I need to do to be able to drive the car in New York and cross the border? DO I need a temporary license from New York state? Where would I get that? I presume I also need to show proof of insurance?

HELP!:-0
All hail Google!! :) Click http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/register.htm and scroll down where it discusses "in-transit permits". I'd give them a call to verify.

[michelb]

I am having a car shipped from Florida to Plattsburgh, New York and will cross through the Lacolle, Quebec border to import it back to Montreal. What do I need to do to be able to drive the car in New York and cross the border? DO I need a temporary license from New York state? Where would I get that? I presume I also need to show proof of insurance?

HELP!:-0


All hail Google!! :) Click http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/register.htm and scroll down where it discusses "in-transit permits". I'd give them a call to verify.

YMMV but when I called a NYS DMV wanting to do the same thing, they told me that they'd only issue a temp permit if the vehicle is currently registered in NY and/or is going to be registered in NY. They told me I'd have to get a FL temp permit. The only problem there is that it appears that some dealers in FL insist you pay FL state tax if you are getting a temp permit (buy from Florida and ship -> no tax, buy from Florida and get permit to drive away -> pay FL tax)

[Danielv2000]

YMMV but when I called a NYS DMV wanting to do the same thing, they told me that they'd only issue a temp permit if the vehicle is currently registered in NY and/or is going to be registered in NY. They told me I'd have to get a FL temp permit. The only problem there is that it appears that some dealers in FL insist you pay FL state tax if you are getting a temp permit (buy from Florida and ship -> no tax, buy from Florida and get permit to drive away -> pay FL tax)

I wonder if there is a distinction between requiring Fl taxes to be paid if you will drive in the state or just get a temporary tag to export inter-state? Either way, why get Fl tags if you never intend to drive on in the state? No way I'm paying Fl sales tax.

Any others had issues with this? What have some of you done with when you've shipped from one state to a border state?

What if I get it shipped at the border crossing? Can I get a Quebec tag BEFORE the car is actually here? That way, I just cross the border with a Quebec tag?

[browna]

Let me just clarify...what needs to be done (Texas this seems releveant especially) if you're buying a used car, and if the title for it is not available/won't be ready for a specified amount of time to be signed over to you?

Other then providing name/address personal data, you physically don't have to sign off on anything for that title to actually transfer, right?

But until that title's in hand, no point in driving it (or have it transported home) is there? I know it needs to be in hand and 72h in advance, faxed to the border.

And how does insurance work in that case? Insured after you get the bill of sale I assume, not after receiving title? The bill of sale is the legal ownership document, not the title, for insurance purposes, right?

Example, I buy a car today from Texas, online. I make arrangements for payment in the next couple days. I make arrangements for them to get the recall letter and temp 30 days tags, and its all ready to go. Funds clear, I get faxed copy of the final bill of sale, its my car at this point is done. At this point I guess, I have to insure it with my insurer.

The dealer tells me title will take two weeks to transfer (10-14d not uncommon it appears on used cars)....so basically it will sit on their lot, my property, insured by me, until I get word that they have title in hand, in my name? But I don't have to physically sign the title before it gets released in my name?

Then I can tell them to fax it to my border crossing, buy an airline flight down there, and pick it up and drive back?

Am I missing something or is that right on? I assume most dealers have no problem with sold inventory sitting on their lots for a couple weeks until title issues are sorted out, as it must happen fairly often.

I guess if I was a US buyer I would be able to have the car and drive the car for 30 days (temp tags) before I'd have to register it in my home state, in which in the meantime, title would be transferred. In my cross border case, unless I was planning a holiday in the SW US for 2 weeks, I'd have to let me new purchase sit somewhere 3000km away until the title was in my name.

[Genia11]

I drove my new Camry from NYC to Toronto on a 10-day in-transit permit. I had the dealer arrange that for me at the cost of $10. In order to get the permit, proof of insurance was required. We had our insurance company, TD Meloche Monnex, issue a letter saying that the car was insured.

All hail Google!! :) Click http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/register.htm and scroll down where it discusses "in-transit permits". I'd give them a call to verify.

[anjoo]

it's only a matter of time until gas will hit 1.75 - 2 for a litre and people will think twice about the cars they purchased and will really look to go compact...
You are about to see a lot more honda fits on the road with their hybrid addition next year...

The term Gas Guzzler is going to evolve into a lot more cars in the very near future.
A rise of 70% a barrel of oil in the past year is a clear indication of where things are headed....

[HP_John]

YMMV but when I called a NYS DMV wanting to do the same thing, they told me that they'd only issue a temp permit if the vehicle is currently registered in NY and/or is going to be registered in NY. They told me I'd have to get a FL temp permit. The only problem there is that it appears that some dealers in FL insist you pay FL state tax if you are getting a temp permit (buy from Florida and ship -> no tax, buy from Florida and get permit to drive away -> pay FL tax)

I couldn't get a temp permit beforehand. It was only when I was physically at a NY state DMV was I able to get a temp in-transit permit. It's for those who aren't going to register in NY state but will be driving through NY state. I bought my car in Cali & shipped it to NY.

On the NY state website, there is info about what documents are needed to get a in-transit permit eg insurance info, etc.

[Danielv2000]

I couldn't get a temp permit beforehand. It was only when I was physically at a NY state DMV was I able to get a temp in-transit permit. It's for those who aren't going to register in NY state but will be driving through NY state. I bought my car in Cali & shipped it to NY.

On the NY state website, there is info about what documents are needed to get a in-transit permit eg insurance info, etc.

So, what you are saying is, I need to get the car insured, show up at local DMV with Bill of Sale and proof of insurance and get the in-transit permit. I will check their website carefully, but how much does this transit cost?

[Danielv2000]

I drove my new Camry from NYC to Toronto on a 10-day in-transit permit. I had the dealer arrange that for me at the cost of $10. In order to get the permit, proof of insurance was required. We had our insurance company, TD Meloche Monnex, issue a letter saying that the car was insured.

THanks - I use the same company! WIll try the New York State DMV

[lotus]

Let me be the latest to thank Monsieurmaggot for starting this thread. I've been watching it for a looooong time, and Saturday evening I imported a 2007 Toyota 4Runner. I could not afford to buy it here.

I exported/imported through Port Huron/Sarnia. 10 minutes on each side. I added the Port Huron info to the carburner wiki.

Thanks again!

[garvard]

By browsing in the Internet I found the information here (http://www.crossbordershopping.ca/content/view/vehicle-duties,-taxes-fees-57/) that additional Excess Weight Tax and Gas Guzzler Tax should be paid when you import car from the USA. Unfortunately, I was not able to find this info at www.riv.ca. Please share information who recently imported a car.

[ajpaterson]

By browsing in the Internet I found the information here (http://www.crossbordershopping.ca/content/view/vehicle-duties,-taxes-fees-57/) that additional Excess Weight Tax and Gas Guzzler Tax should be paid when you import car from the USA. Unfortunately, I was not able to find this info at www.riv.ca. Please share information who recently imported a car.

This sounds like fear mongering. These excise taxes apply only to monstrous SUVs. I brought my full-size Toyota Highlander over in March and paid neither excise tax, as it was under both thresholds. All I paid was $100, plus duty and GST at the border, RIV fee at the office in etobicoke, and plate fee and PST at the ministry office to get my plates. Total savings on my Limited = $12k even factoring $300 in transportation costs which included an overnight stay in Buffalo because I wanted to do everything the same day. Turned out I didn't need to. I got to the border at 9am, 5 minutes at either side, drove to riv, 5 minutes there, drove to canadian tire, 15 minutes there, and then to MOT office for 10 minutes. Had my new plates on my car by noon, and the afternoon off to cruise. Riv door sticker came in the mail about a week later.

US Dealer Total $35,091.00
State Tax $0.00
Total US Cost $35,091.00
Exchange Rate $0.99
Total US Cost in CDN $35,445.45
6.1% Duty $2,159.17
Excise Tax $100.00
5% GST $1,882.77
8% PST $3,012.40
Transportation Costs $307.19
RIV Fee ($206.70) $206.70
Total Import Costs $7,668.23
Total Vehicle Cost $43,113.68

2008 Highlander AWD V6 Limited (Canada)
MSRP (Price) $47,150.00
Options $0.00
Dealer Discounts $0.00
Destination Charges $1,390.00
Air Conditioning Tax ($100) $100.00
Fuel Tax $75.00
Total Vehicle Price $48,715.00
5% GST $2,435.75
8% PST $3,897.20
Total Vehicle Cost $55,047.95

Total Savings by Importing $11,934.27

Breakdown of Import costs:
Wire Transfer Fee $46.00
Gas for Civic $20.00
Taxi to Train $15.00
Train to Rochester $23.00
Taxi to Dealer $25.00
Civic Parking at Airport $8.00
Bus to Buffalo $24.00
Taxi to Airport $28.00
Highlander Airport Parking $31.00
Buffalo Airport Hotel $55.19
Tolls $12.00
Meals and snacks $20.00

[mbrink77]

Try Ben at hacheyimports, he does a great job. He is Canadian.


I agree, very professional and helpfull!

[hhhm3]

Originally Posted by Danielv2000 View Post
I am having a car shipped from Florida to Plattsburgh, New York and will cross through the Lacolle, Quebec border to import it back to Montreal. What do I need to do to be able to drive the car in New York and cross the border? DO I need a temporary license from New York state? Where would I get that? I presume I also need to show proof of insurance?

HELP!
If you bought it in Florida state you have to get the temp permit from that state. If the Dealer wants Fl state tax, forget them, go to the DMV and get it yourself, just show them you title in your name and bill of sale. Ensure that the temp permit is cross-state permitted, the fees are divided into the states you are crossing (Florida to New York state).
Call your current auto insurance company and tell them you bought a car in the US and need insurance and and insurance is valid in the US too.
It should be an issue with insurance coverage.

Now, do you save that much more by shipping the car from Florida to NY instead of shipping it to your city in Quebec? They will ship the the customs warehouse in your city, that way you can just go to the customs warehouse and clear it and pay your tax and fees.
I almost say it is worth the difference in price what ever it is to ship to your city, because you trip to NY state will cost you too.
Plus most/all the borders in the eastern seaboard will not not accept fax of you title 72 hrs prior crossing The US border may only except the original title 72hrs prior. Call the US board where you are crossing to confirm.



Let me just clarify...what needs to be done (Texas this seems releveant especially) if you're buying a used car, and if the title for it is not available/won't be ready for a specified amount of time to be signed over to you?

Other then providing name/address personal data, you physically don't have to sign off on anything for that title to actually transfer, right?

But until that title's in hand, no point in driving it (or have it transported home) is there? I know it needs to be in hand and 72h in advance, faxed to the border.

And how does insurance work in that case? Insured after you get the bill of sale I assume, not after receiving title? The bill of sale is the legal ownership document, not the title, for insurance purposes, right?

Example, I buy a car today from Texas, online. I make arrangements for payment in the next couple days. I make arrangements for them to get the recall letter and temp 30 days tags, and its all ready to go. Funds clear, I get faxed copy of the final bill of sale, its my car at this point is done. At this point I guess, I have to insure it with my insurer.

The dealer tells me title will take two weeks to transfer (10-14d not uncommon it appears on used cars)....so basically it will sit on their lot, my property, insured by me, until I get word that they have title in hand, in my name? But I don't have to physically sign the title before it gets released in my name?

Then I can tell them to fax it to my border crossing, buy an airline flight down there, and pick it up and drive back?

Am I missing something or is that right on? I assume most dealers have no problem with sold inventory sitting on their lots for a couple weeks until title issues are sorted out, as it must happen fairly often.

I guess if I was a US buyer I would be able to have the car and drive the car for 30 days (temp tags) before I'd have to register it in my home state, in which in the meantime, title would be transferred. In my cross border case, unless I was planning a holiday in the SW US for 2 weeks, I'd have to let me new purchase sit somewhere 3000km away until the title was in my name.

Yeah, it is about right but you need to confirm with the border you are crossing if they accept fax of the vehicle title or they need original title 72 hour prior to crossing.

Your insurance company should be able provide insurance coverage while in the US on the dealers lot. Just provide them with the VIN number and title info and bill of sales.

The dealer should have courier to you a title transfer paperwork and you need to get them to notarize (your Bank should be able to do that, called Bank seal) usually at no cost. Then you courier it back to them.

Like I said on the other comment, it is worth getting it transported to your city. Consider the trip cost, hotel cost, increase of 3000km to the car to drive back, tire tread wear, time off work etc...

[americaneagle23]

Buying The Lexus Rx350 Now. Just Can Cut The Price Down About 2700
Anyone Got The Better Deal Before?

[sucker4adeal]

Got a couple questions on taxes.

1) I noticed that when I brought my vehicle across the border. The Border Services Agency charged my GST based on vehicle price in CDN funds + Duty + Excise tax. Is this correct? We get taxed on Duty? Only noticed it when I got home. :(

2) I'm about to go into the final phase and have my vehicle insured... just wondering how will the provincial PST be added? based on the current exchange rate or the rate given at the border?

[sienna owner]

Got a couple questions on taxes.

1) I noticed that when I brought my vehicle across the border. The Border Services Agency charged my GST based on vehicle price in CDN funds + Duty + Excise tax. Is this correct? We get taxed on Duty? Only noticed it when I got home. :(

2) I'm about to go into the final phase and have my vehicle insured... just wondering how will the provincial PST be added? based on the current exchange rate or the rate given at the border?

to answer your 2 questions....Yes..and rate given at border/price on the blue/white tax-goods sheet you got from them.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Buying The Lexus Rx350 Now. Just Can Cut The Price Down About 2700
Anyone Got The Better Deal Before?

Before the Lexus import gates closed, I heard people getting the Lexus about $2000 below invoice. I believe the Lexus dealers that you can find won't be selling you a car anywhere near that range now. Expect to pay slightly above (a couple of hundred bucks) invoice.

If memory serves me I believe the loaded 2008 model (AWD with the fancy $7000 Stereo/navigation upgrade) comes in at around $33,000 Canadian.

I would think you'll have a hard time finding someone to publicly sell you a new Lexus.

Many will sell you a used or demo. model, that is until the US economy really tanks below where it is now.

Did anyone happen to notice the Dow index compared to the TSX? Holy cow. The US economy is really suffering now.

That ass they have running the country really doesn't care anymore. He'll still be collecting his gas royalties long after he leaves office...

[browna]

Thanks for the reply...so I purchase, the title has to get sent to me to sign off on, and I have to send back...assuming I am not going down there to pick it up, that is.

Point being, until the previous owner has title in their hand, signed by me, I can't go anywhere near the border for 72h.

JUST NOTICED on the carburner website...$250 for a GM Recall letter?!?

Most likley the used GM vehicle I buy will not be from a GM dealer...is any GM dealer down there obligated to do it (Vehicle Inquiry system) for free, even if its not their vehicle?

Can dealers here in Canada print that off (not the recall, the Vehcile Inquiry System). I have a salesman up here that owes me a favour that would do that for me if he had access.

There has to be penty of experience with people bringing GM vehicles across...everyone's dropping $250 on that?

[michelb]

By browsing in the Internet I found the information here (http://www.crossbordershopping.ca/content/view/vehicle-duties,-taxes-fees-57/) that additional Excess Weight Tax and Gas Guzzler Tax should be paid when you import car from the USA. Unfortunately, I was not able to find this info at www.riv.ca. Please share information who recently imported a car.

I called RIV about this and they said that the information was out of date and the 'weight excess tax' no longer applies.

[Marzipan]

Example, I buy a car today from Texas, online. I make arrangements for payment in the next couple days. I make arrangements for them to get the recall letter and temp 30 days tags, and its all ready to go. Funds clear, I get faxed copy of the final bill of sale, its my car at this point is done. At this point I guess, I have to insure it with my insurer.

The dealer tells me title will take two weeks to transfer (10-14d not uncommon it appears on used cars)....so basically it will sit on their lot, my property, insured by me, until I get word that they have title in hand, in my name? But I don't have to physically sign the title before it gets released in my name?


Buy the vehicle with the understanding that you won't take posession for a few weeks. You own the vehicle once paid for and bill of sale signed.

Make it a condition of the sale that the dealer will keep it secure until you take posession. Their insurance will cover this in the event of damage. Almost every sale involves a delay in driving it off the lot after the vehicle is paid for.

[Marzipan]

Thanks for the reply...so I purchase, the title has to get sent to me to sign off on, and I have to send back...assuming I am not going down there to pick it up, that is.

Point being, until the previous owner has title in their hand, signed by me, I can't go anywhere near the border for 72h.

JUST NOTICED on the carburner website...$250 for a GM Recall letter?!?

Most likley the used GM vehicle I buy will not be from a GM dealer...is any GM dealer down there obligated to do it (Vehicle Inquiry system) for free, even if its not their vehicle?

Can dealers here in Canada print that off (not the recall, the Vehcile Inquiry System). I have a salesman up here that owes me a favour that would do that for me if he had access.

There has to be penty of experience with people bringing GM vehicles across...everyone's dropping $250 on that?

Just a polite suggestion first. Surely it is the Bill of Sale that you sign. You agree and the seller agrees so you both sign. The Title is "released" by the seller signing it. Then you have a released Title and a Bill of Sale showing you bought it from the name on the Title. That's what convinces US Border Services that it's yours. They want to see originals at the time you export.

I might be in the same position - buying a used GM product privately. My strategy would be to have the seller get the recall letter. After all, just like RIV Canada, don't you want to be assured that the vehicle is free of safety defects?

The seller should be able to get it from his GM dealer. You may have to help a private seller with this. Don't pay GM anything.

[betaboy00]

Question to toyota importers:

Do you need to register your Toyota with Toyota Canada?

I just wonder if there's recall in the future, will you get notified by Toyota USA?
Do you need to register with Toyota USA instead?

[browna]

Buy the vehicle with the understanding that you won't take posession for a few weeks. You own the vehicle once paid for and bill of sale signed.

Make it a condition of the sale that the dealer will keep it secure until you take posession. Their insurance will cover this in the event of damage. Almost every sale involves a delay in driving it off the lot after the vehicle is paid for.

Yeah, I realize the delay involved, and the need to make that condition part of the deal.

Just a polite suggestion first. Surely it is the Bill of Sale that you sign. You agree and the seller agrees so you both sign. The Title is "released" by the seller signing it. Then you have a released Titleand a Bill of Sale showing you bought it from the name on the Title. That's what convinces US Border Services that it's yours. They want to see originals at the time you export.

I might be in the same position - buying a used GM product privately. My strategy would be to have the seller get the recall letter. After all, just like RIV Canada, don't you want to be assured that the vehicle is free of safety defects?

The seller should be able to get it from his GM dealer. You may have to help a private seller with this. Don't pay GM anything.

As for the recall letter, yeah, getting the seller involved is likely going to be necessary, and ideally they can get it through a local dealer...just can't believe there hasn't been anyone that's gone through this with a GM preowned vehicle that could shed light on this, with all the American vehicles showing up in Canada.

Maybe I am a bit confused on the title issue. I thought a title has to be cleared of all liens, and, in your name before you cross the border. If its the old title with the seller's name on it, is it really your title, even if you have bill of sale? And is a title with someone else's name on the title, going to fly when you get to the border? How do you get it titled in your name?

Anyways, I'm now thoroughly confused on an issue I thought I had mostly a handle on. Someone please set me straight on what the procedure is for a Canadian seller getting the proper title transfer from the previous owner, in order to be allowed to bring that vehicle across the border. I know thew faxing 72h before etc etc, but what is needed to be done by me, and by the seller, after purchase is complete, in order to get the title documents admissable for me to export from US/import to Canada?

Thanks,

[charge]

Gone through the thread but couldn't find any current info.

Volvo inspection fee in Edmonton.... Anyone been there recently?

TIA

[charge]

Just talked to them. :lol:

They are now refusing to do the inspections because its too expensive, but they refuse to do it for less because then they would be competing with other Volvo dealerships...

Seems like Volvo has decided that they sell too many cars in Canada.

If they think that anyone who has seen the US pricing is then going to buy from a local dealer after being told to bend over.... unbelievable.

Some more info (http://ucanimport.blogspot.com/2008/03/import-volvo-from-us.html).

[michelb]

Just talked to them. :lol:

They are now refusing to do the inspections because its too expensive, but they refuse to do it for less because then they would be competing with other Volvo dealerships...

Seems like Volvo has decided that they sell too many cars in Canada.

If they think that anyone who has seen the US pricing is then going to buy from a local dealer after being told to bend over.... unbelievable.

Some more info (http://ucanimport.blogspot.com/2008/03/import-volvo-from-us.html).

For what it's worth, I was told by the dealership in Ottawa a few weeks ago that it was 2 hours labour at their posted rate (around $95/hr) and that's it.

Check with your local dealership.

[PrimeBane]

There has to be penty of experience with people bringing GM vehicles across...everyone's dropping $250 on that?

Yup :(

When I called RIV, they said they wouldn't accept the vehicle inquiry and that I had to contact GM directly for the recall letter. :(

The sad part is, I imagine GM just send them the vehicle inquiry information.

Worst comes to worst, you could get the vehicle inquiry summary from your buddy and send it in... call RIV and see if everything passed. If the clearance letter wasn't good enough, then you'll have to cough up the $250 plus tax to GM.

[Toyota_Star]

I am planning to bring the vehicle from US and importing to Canada, by next week and title/bill of sale/recall letter all are ready.

I have a question regarding the document needed to fax to US customs 72 Hrs prior to the export, what all doc required? Is it just Title? Or is it required to have Title/Bill of sale/Recall letter all of these to Lewingston office?

Thanks

[betaboy00]

I am planning to bring the vehicle from US and importing to Canada, by next week and title/bill of sale/recall letter all are ready.

I have a question regarding the document needed to fax to US customs 72 Hrs prior to the export, what all doc required? Is it just Title? Or is it required to have Title/Bill of sale/Recall letter all of these to Lewingston office?

Thanks

You need title(or MSO), bill of sale and the export worksheet.
It is BEST that you call or email your border crossing office and obtain the information.

[Toyota_Star]

You need title(or MSO), bill of sale and the export worksheet.
It is BEST that you call or email your border crossing office and obtain the information.

Thanks for info..
whats the export worksheet ?

[Genia11]

You need to fax in the MSO/MCO 72 hours before your arrival to the border. Once faxed, give them a call to see whether they have received your documentation.

I am planning to bring the vehicle from US and importing to Canada, by next week and title/bill of sale/recall letter all are ready.

I have a question regarding the document needed to fax to US customs 72 Hrs prior to the export, what all doc required? Is it just Title? Or is it required to have Title/Bill of sale/Recall letter all of these to Lewingston office?

Thanks

[charge]

For what it's worth, I was told by the dealership in Ottawa a few weeks ago that it was 2 hours labour at their posted rate (around $95/hr) and that's it.

Check with your local dealership.


That IS the local dealership. One and obviously going to be only for quite some time Volvo dealership in Edmonton, AB.
Anglo Canadian Motors 780-486-5110.
They said they were charging $1900 as well but a "customer" raised a stink and so they just stopped... (yeah right)

The word is that the one in Calgary is charging $1900 and Saskatoon $2200.

Guess its cheaper to ship the vehicle through Ontario on the way out west...

Or more likely, just not buy a Volvo. :D And I'll tell two friends and they'll tell two friends... etc etc etc

[brew99]

That IS the local dealership. One and obviously going to be only for quite some time Volvo dealership in Edmonton, AB.
Anglo Canadian Motors 780-486-5110.
They said they were charging $1900 as well but a "customer" raised a stink and so they just stopped... (yeah right)

The word is that the one in Calgary is charging $1900 and Saskatoon $2200.

Guess its cheaper to ship the vehicle through Ontario on the way out west...

Or more likely, just not buy a Volvo. :D And I'll tell two friends and they'll tell two friends... etc etc etc

Same here...About 2 months ago, I inquired to the local volvo dealer here in Victoria, BC, they quoted me $1895 for the inspection. That stopped the deal for me, not because of the extravegant cost, but because of the unethical charge. Screw Vovlo!

[Marzipan]

Anyways, I'm now thoroughly confused on an issue I thought I had mostly a handle on. Someone please set me straight on what the procedure is for a Canadian seller getting the proper title transfer from the previous owner, in order to be allowed to bring that vehicle across the border. I know thew faxing 72h before etc etc, but what is needed to be done by me, and by the seller, after purchase is complete, in order to get the title documents admissable for me to export from US/import to Canada?

Thanks,

The requirements for exporting from the US are set out at US CBP Exporting Motor Vehicle (http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/trade/basic_trade/export_docs/motor_vehicle.xml) page.

Read it. Read it again. Read the definitions. Carefully!

[betaboy00]

Thanks for info..
whats the export worksheet ?

it is best that you call the Lewingston border office.

The phone number to the border office is listed in the carburner.com

[tleblanc]

Same here...About 2 months ago, I inquired to the local volvo dealer here in Victoria, BC, they quoted me $1895 for the inspection. That stopped the deal for me, not because of the extravegant cost, but because of the unethical charge. Screw Vovlo!

I bought a 2008 - S60 and was only charged $250 or so (2.5 hours of labour) for what was called an "Import Inspection" ... still to this day I wonder if it was really needed (Cash grab?? probably).. the S60 and XC90 both have dual MPH/KPH and require NO modification at all... all the other models have only MPH on the cluster... So if those quotes were for either an S60 or XC90 they should be reported ...They may be using scare tactics to keep people from going south to pick up a Volvo. On a good note...they did not charge me for the recall or the letter of admissibility :>

[americaneagle23]

Before the Lexus import gates closed, I heard people getting the Lexus about $2000 below invoice. I believe the Lexus dealers that you can find won't be selling you a car anywhere near that range now. Expect to pay slightly above (a couple of hundred bucks) invoice.

If memory serves me I believe the loaded 2008 model (AWD with the fancy $7000 Stereo/navigation upgrade) comes in at around

I would think you'll have a hard time finding someone to publicly sell you a new Lexus.

Many will sell you a used or demo. model, that is until the US economy really tanks below where it is now.

Did anyone happen to notice the Dow index compared to the TSX? Holy cow. The US economy is really suffering now.

That ass they have running the country really doesn't care anymore. He'll still be collecting his gas royalties long after he leaves office...

"$33,000 Canadian."
Even the starting price is much higher than this 40k

[dotcalamitie]

I finally got my Jag, it took a month to get it shipped up from Arizona. i was disappointed to find Jaguar Canada wanted $2,000 for the RIV letters and a safety. That sucks...same crap as BMW really, just a little cheaper. i saved a ton...

[HP_John]

So, what you are saying is, I need to get the car insured, show up at local DMV with Bill of Sale and proof of insurance and get the in-transit permit. I will check their website carefully, but how much does this transit cost?

Tell your insurance co you're buying a new car from the US & that you need a "insurance binder" (or some sort of insurance co letter stating certain things as specified by the NY DMV website). You also need the bill of sale, & possibly other documents (check NY DMV website, look for "In-Transit Permit" or "Trip Permits", I don't remember which). It cost $10 or possibly $15, again, I don't remember but definitely not more than $15.

[ccgi]

I am pricing out a Tundra out of Portland Oregon & was advised by one dealer that there was a $1,500 cash back and by another that there was a $3,000 cash back. Both said it was new today. Anyone have any idea which is correct? This was on top of a an original discount of $4,000 to $4,500 off of MSRP.

[michelb]

I finally got my Jag, it took a month to get it shipped up from Arizona. i was disappointed to find Jaguar Canada wanted $2,000 for the RIV letters and a safety. That sucks...same crap as BMW really, just a little cheaper. i saved a ton...

Is this including mods? I called about 3 weeks ago in Ottawa and the dealership told about $500 for inspection and DRL for an XJ8 sedan + $200 for the recall clearance letter.

[Toyota_Star]

The requirements for exporting from the US are set out at US CBP Exporting Motor Vehicle (http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/trade/basic_trade/export_docs/motor_vehicle.xml) page.

Read it. Read it again. Read the definitions. Carefully!

Thank you, it was very helpful.

[BRAISKI]

This is very interesting...

[BRAISKI]

I finally got my Jag, it took a month to get it shipped up from Arizona. i was disappointed to find Jaguar Canada wanted $2,000 for the RIV letters and a safety. That sucks...same crap as BMW really, just a little cheaper. i saved a ton...

I see, I am thinking for getting the BMW 335xi

[frugal905]

Here is a Blog that is informative and helps you know what to do to IMPORT a TOYOTA PRIUS from the US.

http://priuscanada.blogspot.com/


Anyone had success importing one?

I figure I would save $8000 by importing one. Finding it tough to get a dealer to sell to me.

I can have a US friend buy one though and then 'sell' it to me right away by signing the title over to me. Its a USED car then but really a new one.

[michelb]

Here is a Blog that is informative and helps you know what to do to IMPORT a TOYOTA PRIUS from the US.

http://priuscanada.blogspot.com/


Anyone had success importing one?

I figure I would save $8000 by importing one. Finding it tough to get a dealer to sell to me.

I can have a US friend buy one though and then 'sell' it to me right away by signing the title over to me. Its a USED car then but really a new one.

Are you sure about those savings? Don't forget that if you buy in Canada you will get $2000 back from ecoAuto rebate (not available on a US import) and you'll also have to pay 6.1% duty and most likely travel / transportation costs. Also, from what I've seen, Prius in the US are selling at or above MSRP in many areas.

Having your friend buy it and then re-sell it to you will work but unless he lives in one of the few states that don't have tax on cars, he'll probably have to pay state tax and then you'll pay PST&GST.

You can get significant savings on many cars in the US but unfortunately, I don't think you'll save much on a Prius (you'll probably save some but not a bunch). You should maybe consider looking at a US Camry Hybrid - for import, I don't think there's much difference in price compared to the Prius.

[pulsar]

I am pricing out a Tundra out of Portland Oregon & was advised by one dealer that there was a $1,500 cash back and by another that there was a $3,000 cash back. Both said it was new today. Anyone have any idea which is correct? This was on top of a an original discount of $4,000 to $4,500 off of MSRP.

$3000 was in May 2008. I haven't been able to find any cash incentives for June yet, They do have other incentives (lease, etc)
The thing with Toyota is that different US regions will have different rebates. I heard that one region in the USA has a cash rebate of $4000.

[kplange]

Yup :(

When I called RIV, they said they wouldn't accept the vehicle inquiry and that I had to contact GM directly for the recall letter. :(

The sad part is, I imagine GM just send them the vehicle inquiry information.

Worst comes to worst, you could get the vehicle inquiry summary from your buddy and send it in... call RIV and see if everything passed. If the clearance letter wasn't good enough, then you'll have to cough up the $250 plus tax to GM.

I called GM's 1-800 number from the U.S. for my recall letter a couple of weeks before I was going to bring my Saturn Sky back to Canada. I did not mention that I was a Canadian resident. I gave them the impression that I was a U.S. resident moving to Canada. They emailed me a form to fill out and send in. Sure enough, after filling out the form, it requested that I send $250 Canadian funds to a Canadian address before they would process it. Once they received my money, they would send the form to RIV.
I then stopped by the local Saturn dealer in Scottsdale, AZ and had them print out a vehicle enquiry letter. They provided one for me at no charge, possibly because I had some vehicle maintenance done there. RIV accepted my vehicle enquiry letter.

[garvard]

I called RIV about this and they said that the information was out of date and the 'weight excess tax' no longer applies.

But here the information from Canadian custom http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/pub/bsf5048-eng.html
"If your vehicle has air conditioning, you must pay an excise tax of CAN$100. You will have to pay additional excise taxes (Green Levy) only if your vehicle has a weighted average fuel consumption rating of 13 or more litres per 100 kilometres and is put into service after March 19, 2007. The Green Levy applies to automobiles (including station wagons, vans and sports utility vehicles) "

[michelb]

But here the information from Canadian custom http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/pub/bsf5048-eng.html
"If your vehicle has air conditioning, you must pay an excise tax of CAN$100. You will have to pay additional excise taxes (Green Levy) only if your vehicle has a weighted average fuel consumption rating of 13 or more litres per 100 kilometres and is put into service after March 19, 2007. The Green Levy applies to automobiles (including station wagons, vans and sports utility vehicles) "


We're talking about 2 different things; you're talking about the A/C and fuel consumption which still apply, the OP was refering to an 'Excess weight tax' (applied to any vehicles over 4400lbs or something like that) which is no longer in effect but still showed up on some page on the Canadian Border Services website.

[Rehan]

Are you sure about those savings? Don't forget that if you buy in Canada you will get $2000 back from ecoAuto rebate (not available on a US import) and you'll also have to pay 6.1% duty and most likely travel / transportation costs. Also, from what I've seen, Prius in the US are selling at or above MSRP in many areas.

Having your friend buy it and then re-sell it to you will work but unless he lives in one of the few states that don't have tax on cars, he'll probably have to pay state tax and then you'll pay PST&GST.

You can get significant savings on many cars in the US but unfortunately, I don't think you'll save much on a Prius (you'll probably save some but not a bunch). Yeah, I think the savings are really limited on the Prius because of the factors michelb mentioned.

Not only that, but the next-generation Prius is expected to be introduced early next year and sold as a 2010 model...it's going to have better mileage and a better battery, among other things. So the demand for (and consequently the market value of) the current generation Prius will drop considerably. If you're planning to keep it for just a few years, then you'll lose a lot in the depreciation. If you're planning to keep it a long time, then you might as well hold off for a bit and go with the 2010 model.

[bionicbadger]

Here is a Blog that is informative and helps you know what to do to IMPORT a TOYOTA PRIUS from the US.

http://priuscanada.blogspot.com/


That link has zero information that has not already been posted in this thread.

[DSTU]

I finally got my Jag, it took a month to get it shipped up from Arizona. i was disappointed to find Jaguar Canada wanted $2,000 for the RIV letters and a safety. That sucks...same crap as BMW really, just a little cheaper. i saved a ton...

Did you get them to justify that charge?

[jnmontario]

Here is a Blog that is informative and helps you know what to do to IMPORT a TOYOTA PRIUS from the US.

http://priuscanada.blogspot.com/


Anyone had success importing one?

I figure I would save $8000 by importing one. Finding it tough to get a dealer to sell to me.

I can have a US friend buy one though and then 'sell' it to me right away by signing the title over to me. Its a USED car then but really a new one.

I brought one in, though it was a 6 mo. old used off of a fleet renewal. I used driversvillage.com. It was a ridiculously easy process. In the end I only saved about $3000 I figure (as long as I get back my PST which reminds me....I need to figure out why it's taken so long).

[TMS59]

I am looking at buying an Odyssey or Sienna. Any assistance in locating a dealer in a sales tax free state would be appreciated. I have a relative that will buy it, but I don't want to have to pay sales tax when it is transferred to me. I live in Vancouver area.

[garvard]

We're talking about 2 different things; you're talking about the A/C and fuel consumption which still apply, the OP was refering to an 'Excess weight tax' (applied to any vehicles over 4400lbs or something like that) which is no longer in effect but still showed up on some page on the Canadian Border Services website.

I just want to understand what kind of fees and taxes I have to pay when I will bring recently bought 2004 Toyota 4Runner (4X4, engine 4.0l, fuel economy 13,7l/100km).
Any recent experience will help.

[ticktock]

Just talked to them. :lol:

They are now refusing to do the inspections because its too expensive, but they refuse to do it for less because then they would be competing with other Volvo dealerships...

Seems like Volvo has decided that they sell too many cars in Canada.

If they think that anyone who has seen the US pricing is then going to buy from a local dealer after being told to bend over.... unbelievable.

Some more info (http://ucanimport.blogspot.com/2008/03/import-volvo-from-us.html).

I imported a 2005 XC90 in April and did not get the Volvo import inspection. Volvo US issued me a letter that stated that the vehicle was compliant to Canadian standards at manufacture which I sent to RIV instead of the canadian letter and they accepted it.

see https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3176226549897462264&postID=5129401620833019804 for more information.

[PrimeBane]

I just want to understand what kind of fees and taxes I have to pay when I will bring recently bought 2004 Toyota 4Runner (4X4, engine 4.0l, fuel economy 13,7l/100km).
Any recent experience will help.

Plug in your info here and the website will tell you if you'll have to pay a Green Levy or not.

http://oee.nrcan.gc.ca/transportation/tools/fuelratings/ratings-search.cfm?attr=8

[Danielv2000]

Okay, it is Wednesday. I just Fedex'd the original title and bill of sale to the US Export Control at the Lacolle/Champlain New York border and they will receive Thursday. 72 hours ( I assume, business hours) means I should be able to cross the border on Tuesday and drive back.

At the US border - I present myself with the car. The dealer has put a temp Florida tag in the car.

Canadian Border - Hand them the recall letter (free from Porsche :lol: ), show them the bill of sale and the stamped title. I pay my A/C tax and the duty and GST. Fill out Form 1. Pay my RIV fee. Can I pay the duty and GST by credit card?

Drive home???:confused: Is that it? Am I missing anything?

[PrimeBane]

Okay, it is Wednesday. I just Fedex'd the original title and bill of sale to the US Export Control at the Lacolle/Champlain New York border and they will receive Thursday. 72 hours ( I assume, business hours) means I should be able to cross the border on Tuesday and drive back.

At the US border - I present myself with the car. The dealer has put a temp Florida tag in the car.

Canadian Border - Hand them the recall letter (free from Porsche :lol: ), show them the bill of sale and the stamped title. I pay my A/C tax and the duty and GST. Fill out Form 1. Pay my RIV fee. Can I pay the duty and GST by credit card?

Drive home???:confused: Is that it? Am I missing anything?

Pretty much.

Have the title handy at the US border as they'll stamp it before they send you on your way.

Have the bill of sale handy when you first hit the Canadian border as the guard in the booth will want to either see it or just get the total from you. He'll instruct you to pull over and go into the office to pay.

The customs agent will fill out form 1 for you (at least she did for me). They want to see bill of sale, title and proof of insurance.

Yes, you can pay duty, GST, PST, AC tax all by credit card.

[rjmbc]

I am looking at buying an Odyssey or Sienna. Any assistance in locating a dealer in a sales tax free state would be appreciated. I have a relative that will buy it, but I don't want to have to pay sales tax when it is transferred to me. I live in Vancouver area.

If you PM me, I can provide a couple of dealers in Oregon

[jewel9]

is there still deal to be had, now that canadian dealer got a chance to lower some price?

[Nitrate]

Okay, it is Wednesday. I just Fedex'd the original title and bill of sale to the US Export Control at the Lacolle/Champlain New York border and they will receive Thursday. 72 hours ( I assume, business hours) means I should be able to cross the border on Tuesday and drive back.

At the US border - I present myself with the car. The dealer has put a temp Florida tag in the car.

Canadian Border - Hand them the recall letter (free from Porsche :lol: ), show them the bill of sale and the stamped title. I pay my A/C tax and the duty and GST. Fill out Form 1. Pay my RIV fee. Can I pay the duty and GST by credit card?

Drive home???:confused: Is that it? Am I missing anything?
Wow. Did you really Fedex your original documents to US Customs? You are a trusting guy. US Customs usually accepts fax, scanned copies, or email of these documents, meaning you keep the originals until presented at the border. Fedex has been known to lose documents (my experience), and their timetable (i.e. expected delivery date) is not 100% reliable. Did you fedex your customs worksheet too? Anyways, hope everything works out. I would phone US Customs to ensure they received your papers and Tuesday is okay for importing.

You don't pay RIV fee at the border. You do it online when you get home. Bring your chequebook in case credit card machines are down, it's happened before. They partially fill out the Form 1 but before walking away, ensure your Form 1 has your correct VIN.

[Nitrate]

is there still deal to be had, now that canadian dealer got a chance to lower some price?
If for example, they lowered Sienna LE's by $10000 CAD (the amount I saved), then yes I'd say there's a deal to be had.

[Monsieurmaggot]

You don't pay RIV fee at the border. You do it online when you get home. Bring your chequebook in case credit card machines are down, it's happened before. They partially fill out the Form 1 but before walking away, ensure your Form 1 has your correct VIN.

Good points by you.

For those outside the Toronto area, I hear paying online is quicker than having the feds do it for you.

One note for Danielv2000 though, Revenue Canada couldn't care less about the recall letter.

It's the RIV people who want to see that.

[hhhm3]

Okay, it is Wednesday. I just Fedex'd the original title and bill of sale to the US Export Control at the Lacolle/Champlain New York border and they will receive Thursday. 72 hours ( I assume, business hours) means I should be able to cross the border on Tuesday and drive back.

At the US border - I present myself with the car. The dealer has put a temp Florida tag in the car.

Canadian Border - Hand them the recall letter (free from Porsche :lol: ), show them the bill of sale and the stamped title. I pay my A/C tax and the duty and GST. Fill out Form 1. Pay my RIV fee. Can I pay the duty and GST by credit card?

Drive home???:confused: Is that it? Am I missing anything?
Yes they have to have the title 72hrs prior (that's including weekend and holidays) (3days)
Payment is only by credit card, they don't accept any other format, maybe cheque?
The recall letter is needed until when you get home and you fax/email RIV the form1 and recall letter, e-mail is fastest, it will take 1 day for them to email back form2 to do the inspection at CanTire.
You pay your PST when you register you vehicle at the MTO as well as your plates. If your vehicle is used you will need safety check.
One other thing, you will need your province temp trip permit when you cross the border, I have confirmed this with Ontario MTO by email, other province maybe diff?

[hhhm3]

Wow. Did you really Fedex your original documents to US Customs? You are a trusting guy. US Customs usually accepts fax, scanned copies, or email of these documents, meaning you keep the originals until presented at the border. Fedex has been known to lose documents (my experience), and their timetable (i.e. expected delivery date) is not 100% reliable. Did you fedex your customs worksheet too? Anyways, hope everything works out. I would phone US Customs to ensure they received your papers and Tuesday is okay for importing.

You don't pay RIV fee at the border. You do it online when you get home. Bring your chequebook in case credit card machines are down, it's happened before. They partially fill out the Form 1 but before walking away, ensure your Form 1 has your correct VIN.

Not all US customs border accepts fax or copies, most of the eastern Canada will only accept original. That mean either you courier it to them 72hrs proir or you bring it to them and wait around for 72hrs.
If you phone US customs to confirm, they will not confirm it, they will say did you get tracking and delivery confirmation date? that is it.
It is security that they have to provide too.

[Nitrate]

Not all US customs border accepts fax or copies, most of the eastern Canada will only accept original. That mean either you courier it to them 72hrs proir or you bring it to them and wait around for 72hrs.
Good to know. Thanks. We're luckier on the West Coast. The Pacific Truck Crossing accepts any form. They only require originals at time of export.

If you phone US customs to confirm, they will not confirm it, they will say did you get tracking and delivery confirmation date? that is it.
It is security that they have to provide too.
On the other hand, Blaine Customs will confirm their receipt of your papers. In fact, part of the information packet they provide is a form for inquiry of your export application status. They even gave me confirmation of the earliest date I can bring my vehicle for export.

[HP_John]

I am pricing out a Tundra out of Portland Oregon & was advised by one dealer that there was a $1,500 cash back and by another that there was a $3,000 cash back. Both said it was new today. Anyone have any idea which is correct? This was on top of a an original discount of $4,000 to $4,500 off of MSRP.

Check edmunds.com (go search under new cars & price out a Tundra). While pricing out the Tundra, there's usually something that you can click to see what cashback or rebates are currently available.

[Rehan]

Check edmunds.com (go search under new cars & price out a Tundra). While pricing out the Tundra, there's usually something that you can click to see what cashback or rebates are currently available. Another place to check is www.carsdirect.com. The rebate on the Tundra is $3000 in Oregon but $4000 in California. Ends 6/30.

http://www.carsdirect.com/research/rebates?make=TO&modelid=238&acode=USB80TOT101A0&zipcode=97015 (OR)
http://www.carsdirect.com/research/rebates?make=TO&modelid=238&acode=USB80TOT101A0&zipcode=90210 (CA)

[pulsar]

Okay, it is Wednesday. I just Fedex'd the original title and bill of sale to the US Export Control at the Lacolle/Champlain New York border and they will receive Thursday. 72 hours ( I assume, business hours) means I should be able to cross the border on Tuesday and drive back.

At the US border - I present myself with the car. The dealer has put a temp Florida tag in the car.

Canadian Border - Hand them the recall letter (free from Porsche :lol: ), show them the bill of sale and the stamped title. I pay my A/C tax and the duty and GST. Fill out Form 1. Pay my RIV fee. Can I pay the duty and GST by credit card?

Drive home???:confused: Is that it? Am I missing anything?

I believe that you also have to determine whether the Florida Temp permit is valid in all the states you will be crossing.

[Danielv2000]

Wow. Did you really Fedex your original documents to US Customs? You are a trusting guy. US Customs usually accepts fax, scanned copies, or email of these documents, meaning you keep the originals until presented at the border. Fedex has been known to lose documents (my experience), and their timetable (i.e. expected delivery date) is not 100% reliable. Did you fedex your customs worksheet too? Anyways, hope everything works out. I would phone US Customs to ensure they received your papers and Tuesday is okay for importing.

You don't pay RIV fee at the border. You do it online when you get home. Bring your chequebook in case credit card machines are down, it's happened before. They partially fill out the Form 1 but before walking away, ensure your Form 1 has your correct VIN.

You have me worried! I called US Export Control and they were very specific - original title + 2 copies front and back. What is the customs worksheet?

[Danielv2000]

I believe that you also have to determine whether the Florida Temp permit is valid in all the states you will be crossing.

I checked with the NY State DMV - they said that if I have a valid unexpired Florida Tag, I should be okay.

I guess I should check with the Quebec auto board to see if I need to do something before...

[Danielv2000]

Yes they have to have the title 72hrs prior (that's including weekend and holidays) (3days)
Payment is only by credit card, they don't accept any other format, maybe cheque?
The recall letter is needed until when you get home and you fax/email RIV the form1 and recall letter, e-mail is fastest, it will take 1 day for them to email back form2 to do the inspection at CanTire.
You pay your PST when you register you vehicle at the MTO as well as your plates. If your vehicle is used you will need safety check.
One other thing, you will need your province temp trip permit when you cross the border, I have confirmed this with Ontario MTO by email, other province maybe diff?

Are you sure that it's 3 days and not 3 business days??? That means I could potentially pick the car up on Monday... interesting...

[Nitrate]

You have me worried! I called US Export Control and they were very specific - original title + 2 copies front and back. What is the customs worksheet?
It's a form that the Pacific Crossing requires you to fill up with personal and vehicle information to be sent to them along with copies of the title and bill-of-sale. Since it looks like the Customs office in Champlain NY that you deal with has different requirements (originals vs copies), this form may not be a requirement for you.

[atorontoguy]

Has anyone imported motorcycle before? Where can I find a good deal for Suzuki GS500F motorcycle in US? I am in Toronto. Thanks.

[hhhm3]

Are you sure that it's 3 days and not 3 business days??? That means I could potentially pick the car up on Monday... interesting...

I called US customs border that I was crossing (Ogdensburg) and couriered the original Title + 2 copies, and they said yes the 72hrs includes weekend and holidays.
but you can only export/import during their business hours excluding wkds and holidays.
call the US border you are crossing to confirm.

Rule: Trust but always verify the info.

[perfchris]

You have me worried! I called US Export Control and they were very specific - original title + 2 copies front and back. What is the customs worksheet?

Did they receive your courriered documents ? Personnally, I would have them sent to my home and I would have hand delivered them to the export office.

Another tidbit about the Champlain NY office is that they are open later than most offices but not on weekends.

Good luck with the process and your Porsche !

[michelb]

Did they receive your courriered documents ? Personnally, I would have them sent to my home and I would have hand delivered them to the export office.

Another tidbit about the Champlain NY office is that they are open later than most offices but not on weekends.

Good luck with the process and your Porsche !

I had my documents FedEx'ed as well and wasn't worried - if anything, unless you can pick up the documents yourself (not an option for many buyers) they'll have to be FedEx'ed to you anyway and there's certainly more chances of them getting lost pm the way to your place than on the way to the border (don't have to go through customs).

Not sure where you saw this info on their hours but they are open 24/7 and I believe they might allow you to export outside regular business hours (CALL TO VERIFY IF YOU PLAN ON DOING THIS).

[stock_junkie]

I imported a 2008 Prius in April while you could still find one. I ended up saving a little over $4000 and that was before they started selling them at or above MSRP so your estimate of saving $8000 is off. Don't forget you'll have to pay 6.1% duty and if you buy in Canada you get $4000 in rebates whereas if you buy in the US you only get the $2000 Provincial rebate. And if you get a friend to buy it for you you'll have to pay state taxes. My guess is you wouldn't save very much at all right now.

Here is a Blog that is informative and helps you know what to do to IMPORT a TOYOTA PRIUS from the US.

http://priuscanada.blogspot.com/


Anyone had success importing one?

I figure I would save $8000 by importing one. Finding it tough to get a dealer to sell to me.

I can have a US friend buy one though and then 'sell' it to me right away by signing the title over to me. Its a USED car then but really a new one.

[perfchris]

I know for a fact that they do not export outside of business hours and weekends. As you say, call the export office at Champlain NY.



I had my documents FedEx'ed as well and wasn't worried - if anything, unless you can pick up the documents yourself (not an option for many buyers) they'll have to be FedEx'ed to you anyway and there's certainly more chances of them getting lost pm the way to your place than on the way to the border (don't have to go through customs).

Not sure where you saw this info on their hours but they are open 24/7 and I believe they might allow you to export outside regular business hours (CALL TO VERIFY IF YOU PLAN ON DOING THIS).

[stock_junkie]

I think you're exaggerating. So then you'll still have the car with the 2nd best mileage in the world instead of the best. Demand will still be there if gas prices stay high or climb further.

Not only that, but the next-generation Prius is expected to be introduced early next year and sold as a 2010 model...it's going to have better mileage and a better battery, among other things. So the demand for (and consequently the market value of) the current generation Prius will drop considerably. If you're planning to keep it for just a few years, then you'll lose a lot in the depreciation. If you're planning to keep it a long time, then you might as well hold off for a bit and go with the 2010 model.

[Danielv2000]

I had my documents FedEx'ed as well and wasn't worried - if anything, unless you can pick up the documents yourself (not an option for many buyers) they'll have to be FedEx'ed to you anyway and there's certainly more chances of them getting lost pm the way to your place than on the way to the border (don't have to go through customs).

Not sure where you saw this info on their hours but they are open 24/7 and I believe they might allow you to export outside regular business hours (CALL TO VERIFY IF YOU PLAN ON DOING THIS).

I just got confirmation from Fedex with proof of receipt that everything was received. Also, the export worksheet is not required at the Champlain border. Automobile should be there Tuesday.

I actually had my dealer Fedex title to me and then I fedex'd to US EXport control. I could have saved money by having the dealer fedex directly but I wanted to make sure I controlled the flow.

[chene]

I'm also looking into importing a 2008 Prius. Here is my 2 cents. My argument is based on the assumptions that Canadian Premium trim level is the same as US Package #3 and 1:1 currency exchange rate. I'm located in Ontario.

Using toyota.ca, for Ontario, the Premium Prius is $38,173 inclusive (taxes, freight, etc). Assuming you get both federal/provincial rebates, which is $4000 total, it comes down to $34k (give or take).

for CDN Prius, if you want NAV, that is $3k extra.

Using fleetrates.com, a US prius with package-3 is about US$26,135. Factor in GSP, PST, 6.1% duty, it comes to US$31k. One should note that fleetrate will try to buy the car for you out-of-state, so you don't pay state tax (at least that's what they told me). Depending how you want the car shipped (to a boarder town, to your door, etc), you may be looking at $500-$2k shipping costs.

US prius is eligible for provincial rebate, which is $2k. Assuming you get that amount and spend $1k on the shipping, a US Prius is around $30k all inclusive.

So I would argue that saving $4k-$5k by importing a US Prius is reasonable. $8k is indeed a bit off.

However, a US Prius with package-6 (leather seats + NAV) only adds $2k to the total cost. Compare that with what you have to pay for just the NAV in Canada ($3k), it is totally worth it.

just my 2 cents,



I imported a 2008 Prius in April while you could still find one. I ended up saving a little over $4000 and that was before they started selling them at or above MSRP so your estimate of saving $8000 is off. Don't forget you'll have to pay 6.1% duty and if you buy in Canada you get $4000 in rebates whereas if you buy in the US you only get the $2000 Provincial rebate. And if you get a friend to buy it for you you'll have to pay state taxes. My guess is you wouldn't save very much at all right now.

[sam_ma]

I just got confirmation from Fedex with proof of receipt that everything was received. Also, the export worksheet is not required at the Champlain border. Automobile should be there Tuesday.

I actually had my dealer Fedex title to me and then I fedex'd to US EXport control. I could have saved money by having the dealer fedex directly but I wanted to make sure I controlled the flow.

Daniel, Did you find out if the temporary plates from the US are good in Quebec? I just called the SAAQ and they have no clue.
I am bringing my car pretty soon so I really need to know.
Thanks

[Danielv2000]

Daniel, Did you find out if the temporary plates from the US are good in Quebec? I just called the SAAQ and they have no clue.
I am bringing my car pretty soon so I really need to know.
Thanks

They have no clue?!?! I'm not surprised. I imagine that if can only register your car with the SAAQ after it has been imported into the province, then the temporary US Tag must be valid.

I mean, if you clear the car at customs, then must get back to the SAAQ without your new car to register, and then drive back to the border to pick it up, this would complicate the process. I thought you could drive the car home after import or drive to the nearest SAAQ. I am not sure if the Canadian border folks will prevent you from driving. The worst case is you get stopped the SQ on the highway and then everything blows up.:confused:

What have others here done???

[sam_ma]

They have no clue?!?! I'm not surprised. I imagine that if can only register your car with the SAAQ after it has been imported into the province, then the temporary US Tag must be valid.

I mean, if you clear the car at customs, then must get back to the SAAQ without your new car to register, and then drive back to the border to pick it up, this would complicate the process. I thought you could drive the car home after import or drive to the nearest SAAQ. I am not sure if the Canadian border folks will prevent you from driving. The worst case is you get stopped the SQ on the highway and then everything blows up.:confused:

What have others here done???

What the SAAQ "lady" said was: "Once you are at the border, the Customs' guys will tell you if the temporary license plates from NY are good for Quebec or not".
Like it's not too late already if they are not good.

[hhhm3]

They have no clue?!?! I'm not surprised. I imagine that if can only register your car with the SAAQ after it has been imported into the province, then the temporary US Tag must be valid.

I mean, if you clear the car at customs, then must get back to the SAAQ without your new car to register, and then drive back to the border to pick it up, this would complicate the process. I thought you could drive the car home after import or drive to the nearest SAAQ. I am not sure if the Canadian border folks will prevent you from driving. The worst case is you get stopped the SQ on the highway and then everything blows up.:confused:

What have others here done???

Some other guy wrote he got 2 ticket and had to get tow truck to tow his new Audi. This was on his way home after crossing the border.
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=572100&highlight=us+temporary+plate

The Border agent won't care or won't know if you need another temp permit or not.
It is the hiway and city police that will watching.
Actually call the hiway/city police, not sure what that is in Quebec, QPP?.

When I imported I call the MTO in Ontario, the guy said Yes, out state permit is valid. I asked for written confirmation on this, he said to e-mail us the question and then you will have your writing confirmation.
I e-mail and they responded with " No, out of state temp permit is not valid, you have to get a 10day Temp Tip Permit from MTO office".
See what I mean by "Trust, but verify!" too many morons that just say anything.

Anyways, it seems a lot of ppl just drive home and had no problem...
and also droved around town for weeks with the US temp plate...

[Nitrate]

Some other guy wrote he got 2 ticket and had to get tow truck to tow his new Audi. This was on his way home after crossing the border.
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=572100&highlight=us+temporary+plate

The Border agent won't care or won't know if you need another temp permit or not.
It is the hiway and city police that will watching.
Actually call the hiway/city police, not sure what that is in Quebec, QPP?.

When I imported I call the MTO in Ontario, the guy said Yes, out state permit is valid. I asked for written confirmation on this, he said to e-mail us the question and then you will have your writing confirmation.
I e-mail and they responded with " No, out of state temp permit is not valid, you have to get a 10day Temp Tip Permit from MTO office".
See what I mean by "Trust, but verify!" too many morons that just say anything.

Anyways, it seems a lot of ppl just drive home and had no problem...
and also droved around town for weeks with the US temp plate...
FYI, for those in British Columbia, the Washington State temp permit is valid in BC until its expiry date. This was confirmed by ICBC and is printed in one of their company newsletters (a copy of which was in my possession at time of import...cuz you never know!).

[HP_John]

Are you sure that it's 3 days and not 3 business days??? That means I could potentially pick the car up on Monday... interesting...

It's 3 business days, at least it is for those crossing from Niagara Falls (aka Queenston-Lewiston).

[vim]

Hello,

I imported Toyota Sienna myself back in December.
Now my neighbour is looking to import Lexus SUV (I am not sure which one).
He does have cousins in Bufallo, but would prefer not to pay state taxes.

Anyone could share Lexus dealer who is selling to canadians info?

Thanks.

[Cars4Canadians]

I wonder when the price of gasoline will persuade the a-hole car manufacturers to lower the prices for Canadians, why are we still purchasing some of these cars in Canada i will never know.... i guess too many people with too much money in their pockets, no wonder gasoline is going to go to $2,

[NAFTAGO]

So it's official:

Subaru outback 2009 in Canada:
http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/June2008/05/c8885.html


While the Subaru Outback 2009 US prices are about $300 more than the US 2008 model (Plus a TWENTY dollar increase in delivery charge)

http://www.cars101.com/subaru/outback/outback2009.html


Since they are made in the US no 6.1% to pay;one of the easiest cars to import and no modifications necessary. Maybe they are selling less in Canada but since the profits are so high they keep inflating the prices.

The down side?
-Dashboard in miles/F
-If warranty jobs needed in Canada: pay upfront get cheque in mail one month later; or just take it to the states get a loaner and come back home.

The UP side?
Just like before; one of the easiest cars to import with no modifications at all and with the highest savings.

Maybe they will lower them next year.
Finally the Canadian mechanics at the dealerships will be able to service our PZEV engines!

How could you NOT buy a 2.5i Limited -US version even through a broker for about the same money (or less) than the Basic Canadian version.

On an afternoon in High Park I counted FOUR Outbacks with Van Bortel plates. I bet that most people will try to sell in about two yrs in Canada at a "loss" by selling at what they payed for. And with that you could either buy an used 2009 model; or with a few thousands more, buy new again (2010 model)

And with people selling the imported- basic US versions with AT at $30K
Is going to be a looong year for Subaru Of Canada. Good thing that they have the 2009 Forester.

[Gabriel Kish]

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=126107?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..1 .*

Hi everyone. I just wanted to let you know the 2009 Jaguars (XF) is on the RIV list. We kept up the pressure and now it's official. This makes it a breeze for you guys to imput. If you want a Super XF, hurry they have almost sold out completely. Let me know if I can be of help.

Of course Canadians do not pay MI tax. Update 7/29/08 next batch of Super XF's is incoming. The first wave went pretty fast. This car has won every car comparision test and has received outstanding reviews from the major car magazines.

Gary Kish ggabrielkish@hotmail.com
Jaguar MI
248) 478-1111

I forgot to mention the 2009 XK's are also included on the RIV list. We should be getting those in shortly.

[scrolllock]

What the SAAQ "lady" said was: "Once you are at the border, the Customs' guys will tell you if the temporary license plates from NY are good for Quebec or not".
Like it's not too late already if they are not good.

We brought a car in last Fall and drove with temp for 30 days. Local Police checked the new car out and we had a discussion with them... no hassles, no problems.

We had the car insured, through a Quebec based insurance company.

The customs folks insist that you leave all the paperwork with the car, in the glove compartment, just in case you are stopped.

Looks like someone is trying to scare off the individual importer.

10 to 20 Cars go thru the Border Crossing at Lacolle Quebec each day with Temporary Plates, Just talk to the Border Folks. We have not hear of this problem.

This whole issue seems to come out of Ontario, apparently it is illegal to drive a car in Ontario with tempory plates from another juristiction, according to the posts I just read thru going back to 2003, in this forum. http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=572100&highlight=us+temporary+plate


We would like to hear from someone that has imported a car and had a problem! We will keep your information confidential.

robert@carswithoutborders.com

on another note: If you do get conned into getting a Temporary Quebec Plate, be aware that when you pay for the "real" thing your QST tax will be based on the Blue/Red book/MRSP and not on the invoiced amount. http://www.carswithoutborders.com/http:/www.carswithoutborders.com/forum/comment-of-the-day/page/2/

[HP_John]

Hello,

I imported Toyota Sienna myself back in December.
Now my neighbour is looking to import Lexus SUV (I am not sure which one).
He does have cousins in Bufallo, but would prefer not to pay state taxes.

Anyone could share Lexus dealer who is selling to canadians info?

Thanks.

I think he'll have a hard time getting a US Lexus dealer to sell new. Everyone seems to say they don't sell new to Cdns.

[americaneagle23]

I'm also looking into importing a 2008 Prius. Here is my 2 cents. My argument is based on the assumptions that Canadian Premium trim level is the same as US Package #3 and 1:1 currency exchange rate. I'm located in Ontario.

Using toyota.ca, for Ontario, the Premium Prius is $38,173 inclusive (taxes, freight, etc). Assuming you get both federal/provincial rebates, which is $4000 total, it comes down to $34k (give or take).

for CDN Prius, if you want NAV, that is $3k extra.

Using fleetrates.com, a US prius with package-3 is about US$26,135. Factor in GSP, PST, 6.1% duty, it comes to US$31k. One should note that fleetrate will try to buy the car for you out-of-state, so you don't pay state tax (at least that's what they told me). Depending how you want the car shipped (to a boarder town, to your door, etc), you may be looking at $500-$2k shipping costs.

US prius is eligible for provincial rebate, which is $2k. Assuming you get that amount and spend $1k on the shipping, a US Prius is around $30k all inclusive.

So I would argue that saving $4k-$5k by importing a US Prius is reasonable. $8k is indeed a bit off.

However, a US Prius with package-6 (leather seats + NAV) only adds $2k to the total cost. Compare that with what you have to pay for just the NAV in Canada ($3k), it is totally worth it.

just my 2 cents,


3K is still very good saving.

[CheapScotsman]

I think he'll have a hard time getting a US Lexus dealer to sell new. Everyone seems to say they don't sell new to Cdns.Yep ... so buy it through a broker like Fleetrates

[niceguy1234]

3K is still very good saving.

3K probably not worth the time and trouble for importing. The resale value is lower too for imported cars. Factory warranty is another issue.

[st7860]

3K is still very good saving.

exactly. why throw away an extra $3,000 buying one locally!!!!

[Kamloops]

3K probably not worth the time and trouble for importing. The resale value is lower too for imported cars. Factory warranty is another issue.

3k is a great savings! Importing is not a hassle at all.

Resale is the same on an imported car. I sold the last car I imported and made 4k profit . It sold at the same price as a non US imported one.

Must be nice to toss 3k away!

[Cars4Canadians]

Hi everyone. I just wanted to let you know the 2009 Jaguars (XF) is on the RIV list. We kept up the pressure and now it's official. This makes it a breeze for you guys to imput. Let me know if I can be of help.

Of course Canadians do not pay MI tax.

Gary Kish ggabrielkish@hotmail.com
Jaguar MI
248) 478-1111


Have you noticed how the XF is like 50K US, and looks like a Chrysler Concorde ?


http://www.autosdesign.com/images/chrysler-concorde.jpg

[69Stang]

Just picked up a Lexus, find a dealer selling a demo. A lot of them will title the vehicle and will re sell it back to you as pre owned. Stay away from border States, saved 10k +:cheesygri

[Georgian]

3k is a great savings! Importing is not a hassle at all.

Resale is the same on an imported car. I sold the last car I imported and made 4k profit . It sold at the same price as a non US imported one.

Must be nice to toss 3k away!

Do not forget 3K is after tax money, before tax is about a month's salary for a good income worker! I do not think 3K savings is insignificant. Anything below 500 bucks is probably insignificant.

[Danielv2000]

We brought a car in last Fall and drove with temp for 30 days. Local Police checked the new car out and we had a discussion with them... no hassles, no problems.

We had the car insured, through a Quebec based insurance company.

The customs folks insist that you leave all the paperwork with the car, in the glove compartment, just in case you are stopped.

Looks like someone is trying to scare off the individual importer.

10 to 20 Cars go thru the Border Crossing at Lacolle Quebec each day with Temporary Plates, Just talk to the Border Folks. We have not hear of this problem.

This whole issue seems to come out of Ontario, apparently it is illegal to drive a car in Ontario with tempory plates from another juristiction, according to the posts I just read thru going back to 2003, in this forum. http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=572100&highlight=us+temporary+plate


We would like to hear from someone that has imported a car and had a problem! We will keep your information confidential.

robert@carswithoutborders.com

on another note: If you do get conned into getting a Temporary Quebec Plate, be aware that when you pay for the "real" thing your QST tax will be based on the Blue/Red book/MRSP and not on the invoiced amount. http://www.carswithoutborders.com/http:/www.carswithoutborders.com/forum/comment-of-the-day/page/2/

Thanks. I called SAAQ today and they told me I needed a temporary Qc plate. Actually told me to leave my car at border, have someone drive me to SAAQ, register the car (before Canadian Tire inspection!) and get another lift to the border and drive back. Clueless...

I call RIV and they inform me that if the tag from Fl is valid, you can drive anywhere in Canada.

[Monky]

I wonder when the price of gasoline will persuade the a-hole car manufacturers to lower the prices for Canadians, why are we still purchasing some of these cars in Canada i will never know.... i guess too many people with too much money in their pockets, no wonder gasoline is going to go to $2,

Canadian car sales have increased a lot this year and one of the better years in quite a while. I guess the cash rebates are helping encourage sales. However, even with the cash rebates, there is significant savings by importing from the US. I don't think they will be lowering prices much more up here, but hey, who knows.

[Monky]

3K probably not worth the time and trouble for importing. The resale value is lower too for imported cars. Factory warranty is another issue.


Your right, resale values are lower for US cars so that's why it is killing the value of used cars in Canada. If you have full record details, resale shouldn't be too bad. Warranty depends on the mfg. The Prius is ok.

[perfchris]

The SAAQ agent you spoke to is clueless !

Take it from some other experienced importers including myself ! : You will need Canadian Tire stamp on Form 1 to get it registered at the SAAQ office as they need to fax that info to the SAAQ headquarters in Quebec to get it registered. They also need the blue paper from the border that shows that you paid the GST.

You CAN drive car with Fl temp plate, make sure you keep all docs with the vehicle. I would personally NOT drive the vehicle except for bringing it to CT for the inspection. You DO NOT need vehicle at the SAAQ office.

So, this is what you need to do. If the vehicle has FL temp tags on it, leave it at the border until the export office has the title papers for 72 hours. Drive down to the border, pick up the car at storage on the NY side, bring it up to to the US export office with your documents in hand, they will stamp your title for export only. Then stop at the Canadian, tell them you bought a vehicle in the US. They will tell you to go inside their offices. You will have an agent fill out the paperwork for you, you will pay GST and RIV fee at the border. Then, you will wait for the RIV to send you the form 2 that needs to be brought with you to CT for inspection. RIV will not send you form 2 until you have faxed or e-mailed recall clearance form from Porsche. As soon as you get form 2 from CT, you go to CT, have the vehicle inspected, they stamp your form 1 and send form 2 to the RIV. You go to the SAAQ with your paperwork, including stamped form 1, they will send it to SAAQ head office in Quebec City, after a half day, it gets approved, you return to pay QST on value you paid GST at the border, pay for registration and the vehicle is plated in QC.

Daniel, you are making the process much more complicated than it really is. Remember, the SAAQ call agents are clueless ! Relax this weekend and get ready for an exciting Monday driving back up on the 15. Make sure to avid all those potholes on the Quebec side of the border......



Thanks. I called SAAQ today and they told me I needed a temporary Qc plate. Actually told me to leave my car at border, have someone drive me to SAAQ, register the car (before Canadian Tire inspection!) and get another lift to the border and drive back. Clueless...

I call RIV and they inform me that if the tag from Fl is valid, you can drive anywhere in Canada.

[scrolllock]

Thanks. I called SAAQ today and they told me I needed a temporary Qc plate. Actually told me to leave my car at border, have someone drive me to SAAQ, register the car (before Canadian Tire inspection!) and get another lift to the border and drive back. Clueless...

I call RIV and they inform me that if the tag from Fl is valid, you can drive anywhere in Canada.

From the looks of it our fine government agencies, are struggling with the fact that Canadians , as individuals , are buying cars in the U.S.

I would call someone else at the SAAQ, there must be someone there that works with the RIV. Ask them why they are letting 10-15 cars a day drive into Quebec. Why can't they work with the RIV and Canada Customs and write down a procedure that can be easily followed. Or is RIV right! You can drive anywhere in Canada with a U.S temp plate as long as you have your form1, bill of sale and insurance papers with you. I would bet the RIV is right, now can we get this in writing, from the RIV, the agency that represents Transport Canada.

[scrolllock]

Hello,

I imported Toyota Sienna myself back in December.
Now my neighbour is looking to import Lexus SUV (I am not sure which one).
He does have cousins in Bufallo, but would prefer not to pay state taxes.

Anyone could share Lexus dealer who is selling to canadians info?

Thanks.

PM me with models and all details. Include your name and a phone number I can reach you on tomorrow or monday.

[KAN]

You go to the SAAQ with your paperwork, including stamped form 1, they will send it to SAAQ head office in Quebec City, after a half day, it gets approved, you return to pay QST on value you paid GST at the border, pay for registration and the vehicle is plated in QC.



I concur with all that is said, having done it personnally. just a detail:
If you do it before 12h00AM, you can get the plates right away, after 12h00AM, you have to wait until next day.
No idea why. Maybe the guys at Quebec office only works until 12h00 ?

[KAN]

Thanks. I called SAAQ today and they told me I needed a temporary Qc plate. Actually told me to leave my car at border, have someone drive me to SAAQ, register the car (before Canadian Tire inspection!) and get another lift to the border and drive back. Clueless...

I call RIV and they inform me that if the tag from Fl is valid, you can drive anywhere in Canada.

I agree, SAAQ said the same thing. They wanted the original MSO (so the borer wants the original too, and the DMV office in the states wants it too (how can the paper be at 3 places ?), plus you have to get a temp permit valid for 12h each trip. so one for crossing into quebec, one for going to the SAAQ ?, one for ? haha.!
RIV and border agent told me, keep the papers in car and you are set.

Here is what I did:
sent original MSO to Champlain border, came to border, picked up the MSO, went to Plattsburg for temp plates (DMV office) (hey I wanted to be legit), came back with car to border, spent 5 min in american side (you can bypass traffic by going to the right where the commercial traffic are because you are IMPORTING ! this saved me 1h30 waiting, it was a canadian holiday), then about 10 minutes on canadian side. I did NOT get a temp permit for quebec portion of trip.

according to american border guy, 1500 vehicules are imported each month, that makes it 30 vehicules per day.
After doing it once, it is so easy that it is ridiculous to not import. Mind you, I was afraid too before, lots of anxiety because of what ifs. You just have to get papers and everything at the right place at the right time.

[scrolllock]

I agree, SAAQ said the same thing. They wanted the original MSO (so the borer wants the original too, and the DMV office in the states wants it too (how can the paper be at 3 places ?), plus you have to get a temp permit valid for 12h each trip. so one for crossing into quebec, one for going to the SAAQ ?, one for ? haha.!
RIV and border agent told me, keep the papers in car and you are set.

Here is what I did:
sent original MSO to Champlain border, came to border, picked up the MSO, went to Plattsburg for temp plates (DMV office) (hey I wanted to be legit), came back with car to border, spent 5 min in american side (you can bypass traffic by going to the right where the commercial traffic are because you are IMPORTING ! this saved me 1h30 waiting, it was a canadian holiday), then about 10 minutes on canadian side. I did NOT get a temp permit for quebec portion of trip.

according to american border guy, 1500 vehicules are imported each month, that makes it 30 vehicules per day.
After doing it once, it is so easy that it is ridiculous to not import. Mind you, I was afraid too before, lots of anxiety because of what ifs. You just have to get papers and everything at the right place at the right time.

Yes if you follow the simple rules and the process is easy. The issue you have is that everyone is against the Indivudual Canadian Consumer - they all want your $$$$, They put up roadblocks and in order to dissuade you.

The Canadian Car folks are against you for sure, even if you are buying a Canadian made U.S. market Car. (Those that honor the warranty - Toyota for example - are being a bit more progressive)

The Govt. (Transport Canada and the RIV) side with the Canadian Car Manufacturers. Ridiculous self-compliant rules, non-transparent ( hidden) processes to protect the identities of those groups lobbying against the Canadian consumer!

The U.S. Car Manufacturers side with the Canadian Car Manufacterers, threatening to punish their U.S. dealers if they sell to Canadians.

The Brokers and Importers what to protect their businesses and make it seem confusing.

Even the APA and Canadian Established Canadian Consumer Groups recommend that if you do buy in the U.S. that you use their recommended Broker. ( of course you have to join first. )

The Media is even against you. They need to protect their car add revenues, so they stay away from stories like carswithoutborders. Rumors have it that the car boys have even threatened Canwest, if they continue to report these issues.

The only true and dedicated organization that we know of that is made up of ordinary Canadian Citizens and is fighting for your right to purchase a vehicle at Fair Prices is www.carswithoutborders.com Forums like this are great, but sometimes they contain misinformation put forth by "moles" of the industry to dissuade you.

If you are serious about purchasing your car in the U.S. and saving yourself thousands of dollars.... go for it! If you have a legitimate question or need to find a dealer in the U.S. ... PM me or email info@carswithoutborders.com

[warnipples]

hi, just wondering if anyone has imported a car and used La capital as there insurance.

i just spoke to an agent of theirs and they said they only insure cars that are registered in Quebec so she thought it might not be possible to use them.

i don't think she was very knowledgeable of the protocol for all this.

[Fonzy]

Sorry I'm new to this and lost in the almost 1000 pages of posts.

I live in New Brunswick and my father want's to buy a new 2009 Toyota corolla,I take it from reading that Toyota will not let any dealership in the U.S sell a new car to Canadians?

My father has a sister who lives in the U.S (Maine) and I was wondering how would he go about getting her to buy the car for him?

Also is Fleetrates the better option?

[petaling108]

2009 Hyundai Sonata GLS (with traction control) are importable according to Riv list but they dont have engine immobilizer.$16000 at fitzmall.com or Towne hyundai ,NJ,much cheaper than the 2008 canadian GL(without tc)supposed reduced $5000 at 18995 recently.
Have the Canadian law changed since Dec 2007 as reported in previous post.
What is the present law in Canada re "engine immobilizer"

[Danielv2000]

The SAAQ agent you spoke to is clueless !

Take it from some other experienced importers including myself ! : You will need Canadian Tire stamp on Form 1 to get it registered at the SAAQ office as they need to fax that info to the SAAQ headquarters in Quebec to get it registered. They also need the blue paper from the border that shows that you paid the GST.

You CAN drive car with Fl temp plate, make sure you keep all docs with the vehicle. I would personally NOT drive the vehicle except for bringing it to CT for the inspection. You DO NOT need vehicle at the SAAQ office.

So, this is what you need to do. If the vehicle has FL temp tags on it, leave it at the border until the export office has the title papers for 72 hours. Drive down to the border, pick up the car at storage on the NY side, bring it up to to the US export office with your documents in hand, they will stamp your title for export only. Then stop at the Canadian, tell them you bought a vehicle in the US. They will tell you to go inside their offices. You will have an agent fill out the paperwork for you, you will pay GST and RIV fee at the border. Then, you will wait for the RIV to send you the form 2 that needs to be brought with you to CT for inspection. RIV will not send you form 2 until you have faxed or e-mailed recall clearance form from Porsche. As soon as you get form 2 from CT, you go to CT, have the vehicle inspected, they stamp your form 1 and send form 2 to the RIV. You go to the SAAQ with your paperwork, including stamped form 1, they will send it to SAAQ head office in Quebec City, after a half day, it gets approved, you return to pay QST on value you paid GST at the border, pay for registration and the vehicle is plated in QC.

Daniel, you are making the process much more complicated than it really is. Remember, the SAAQ call agents are clueless ! Relax this weekend and get ready for an exciting Monday driving back up on the 15. Make sure to avid all those potholes on the Quebec side of the border......

Thanks!! I am very encouraged by all this! These damn bureaucrats are probably frustrated at our efforts to try to save ourselves money. I even spoke in my best french Quebecois accent to make sure I got the right information!!! I will let you know how it goes. Date has been pushed to Thursday due to shipping.:cry: But if all goes as expected, I would be hard pressed to buy Canadian again.

[xar256]

I understand this thread is primarily about cars...But, I need to start somewhere.

Has anyone imported a Motor-Scooter into Canada. My wife and I are looking at a specific Yamaha model (49cc). And the MSRP in Canada is 2899, where States side it's 2199.

Canada - BWs 50 (http://www.yamaha-motor.ca/products/products.php?model=2911&class=16&group=M|&LANG=en)
USA - Zuma (http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/products/modelhome/151/0/home.aspx)

Details on scooters are pretty sketchy to begin with. I'm just wondering if anyone's had success yet?

[sam_ma]

Thank you guys for your help (perfchris, scrolllock, Danielv2000...)

I just drove my new car from NY (2008 Acura MDX). Everything went smooth and, for the moment, the car will be parked in my driveway until I take it to CT for the inspection.
One more question, I know that for a new car I am not supposed to need an emissions test, right? I know that some people have had problems with CT or the SAAQ (or MTO) because the keep insisting that you need one. Any ideas on what to tell them if they ask for one? Most of all at the time of registering the car.
Any page from the RIV site that I should print to show them that I don't need one?
Thanks

[Monsieurmaggot]

Has anyone imported a Motor-Scooter into Canada. My wife and I are looking at a specific Yamaha model (49cc). And the MSRP in Canada is 2899, where States side it's 2199.

Canada - BWs 50 (http://www.yamaha-motor.ca/products/products.php?model=2911&class=16&group=M|&LANG=en)
USA - Zuma (http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/products/modelhome/151/0/home.aspx)

Details on scooters are pretty sketchy to begin with. I'm just wondering if anyone's had success yet?

I would imagine they fall under the motorcycle heading and would be exempt of any duty. I know there are "RFD members" who've imported them. I'm sure they can best answer that question.

One thing to consider: Honda has their base 50cc scooter selling for $1899 in the US. The same scooter here is $2800 but currently comes with a $400 rebate. The savings are only about $550 buying in the US but remember proportionately, it's still about 30% more expensive here even when you factor in the rebate.

[regrus]

I would imagine they fall under the motorcycle heading and would be exempt of any duty. I know there are "RFD members" who've imported them. I'm sure they can best answer that question.

One thing to consider: Honda has their base 50cc scooter selling for $1899 in the US. The same scooter here is $2800 but currently comes with a $400 rebate. The savings are only about $550 buying in the US but remember proportionately, it's still about 30% more expensive here even when you factor in the rebate.
When you add the RIV fee's not much savings left for the trouble.

[tuzzi]

I have been checking on buying an Audi in Washington State recently.

Funny, all the Dealers are insisting I have to register the car in Washington and pay the State Sales tax.

That just seems wrong.

[shopper-X]

I have been checking on buying an Audi in Washington State recently.

Funny, all the Dealers are insisting I have to register the car in Washington and pay the State Sales tax.

That just seems wrong.

You should not have to pay state tax unless they are not allowed to sell new to Canadian's and want to register it in the US 1st. If that is the case try Oregon State since there is no State tax there.

[develop]

This thread is almost 1000 pages, but did a search couldn't find my answer.
Did anyone import a car for company use, or leased from States?
I wonder if the precedure is the same as personal importing?
Any help will be appreciated.

[st7860]

When you add the RIV fee's not much savings left for the trouble.

every dollar saved counts!

[james-007]

I have been checking on buying an Audi in Washington State recently.

Funny, all the Dealers are insisting I have to register the car in Washington and pay the State Sales tax.

That just seems wrong.


I bought a Toyota Highlander couple years ago and did not pay WA state tax.

[Rehan]

Here's the definitive info about sales tax in Washington state:
http://dor.wa.gov/content/doingbusiness/businesstypes/industry/auto/auto_nonresidents.aspx
Sales tax does not apply to sales of motor vehicles, trailers, or campers to qualified nonresidents for use outside of this state, even though delivery is made within this state, under the following conditions:

1. the vehicles will be taken from the point of delivery in this state directly to a point outside this state under the authority of a trip permit; or

2. the vehicles will be registered and licensed immediately (at the time of delivery) under the laws of the state of the purchaser's residence, will not be used in this state more than 3 months, and will not be required to be registered and licensed under the laws of this state.

3. The dealer must establish that:

1. the purchaser is a nonresident of Washington;
2. the vehicle is for use outside this state; and
3. the vehicle is to be driven from his premises under the authority of a trip permit or valid license plates issued by the state of the purchaser's residence with such plates affixed to the vehicle at the time of final delivery.

[Nitrate]

That is truly definitive. I know two of my co-workers did not pay WA state tax. Both bought their vehicles from dealers. One imported a used RAV4 from Lynnwood WA and the other a brand-new Sienna from Bellingham WA. Both purchased the required WA state permits and drove their vehicles straight to the border for import. The RAV4 guy had to present documents that he was not a WA resident (Canadian utility and phone bills, passport, etc.), while the Sienna guy did not present any document at all.

This boils down to a matter of some dealers (or sales people) being familiar about their own state tax laws versus those that know squat. You have to find a dealer that know the rules and stay away from those that don't.

[michelb]

I have been checking on buying an Audi in Washington State recently.

Funny, all the Dealers are insisting I have to register the car in Washington and pay the State Sales tax.

That just seems wrong.

Probably simply Audi giving dealerships in border states a hard time about selling to Canadians for export so this dealership will only sell to you if you register in the US (and therefore pay tax).

[hhhm3]

You should not have to pay state tax unless they are not allowed to sell new to Canadian's and want to register it in the US 1st. If that is the case try Oregon State since there is no State tax there.

You will still need a valid US address to register the new car too.
Even if you have a friends address, it may get sticky/unlawful to do it.
You don't want to mess around with that...

You got yo keep calling and see if you can find a dealership that is willing to sell to Canadian resident, but most to all dealers will not because Audi USA restricts it.

However, If you can find a dealer demo, they can sell to Canadians because it can be sold as used vehicle.
some demos have low mileage too.
And you will not have to pay state tax because the dealership will be able to file the export paperwork on used cars.

A year or so ago you would've have to pay WA tax on new cars because the manufacture didn't regulate the sales to US only. Before dealers could file export paperworks to clear themselves of tax collecting and not get into trouble by the manufactures.
There are dealerships that are willing the sell new vehicle and don't care about manufacture rules. Keep calling around and ask...

[Toyota_Star]

Hi All,
Anybody have imported brand new Sienna LE (2008 model) from US with manufacture date greater than Sep 2007 ? As per transport Canada, says Sienna made after Sep 2007 is not admissible to Canada? Anybody have any experience on this? Does it required any modification on this vehicle ?

I am planning to bring my Sienna 2008 purchased recently thru my friend in US.

Pls advice me on this....

Thanx to all..

[Nitrate]

Hi All,
Anybody have imported brand new Sienna LE (2008 model) from US with manufacture date greater than Sep 2007 ? As per transport Canada, says Sienna made after Sep 2007 is not admissible to Canada? Anybody have any experience on this? Does it required any modification on this vehicle ?

I am planning to bring my Sienna 2008 purchased recently thru my friend in US.

Pls advice me on this....

Thanx to all..
Your information is incorrect. Siennas manufactured after Sept 1st, 2007 are admissible but marked with "EIS" (electronic immobilizer system). This means these vehicles need to pass an inspection that checks for the presence of an immobilizer system certified to the requirements of CMVSS 114. That is because effective Sept 1st, 2007, Transport Canada made it mandatory for all new cars, trucks, MPV's, SUV's (etc) to be equipped with immobilizers that comply with CMVSS 114.

Rest assured all 2008 Siennas will pass this inspection. Mine has a manufacture date of Feb 2008. I actually believe Canadian Tire is laughing while raking in free $100+ worth of inspection fees per 2008 Siennas. They see it's a Sienna you're bringing in, take your free $100+ fee happily, they secretly snicker amongst themselves, say it will take 1 hour to inspect, then take a 45-minute smoke break before phoning you it's ready for pickup.

[pothia]

Hi, does anyone know if I buy a used 07/08 Toyota camry from Ebay, would the procedures be the same as importing a brand new one? What should i need to look out for?
Thank you!

[jingyu]

I am in the process to import a car and was told that I need to send original MCO to US border office in OGDENSBURG. Did any one use this port before and what is the address and mail receiver name I should use? Thanks.

[michelb]

I am in the process to import a car and was told that I need to send original MCO to US border office in OGDENSBURG. Did any one use this port before and what is the address and mail receiver name I should use? Thanks.

The border information can be found at http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/toolbox/contacts/ports/ny/0701.xml (or at carburner.com)

In any case it's:

VEHICLE EXPORTS
104 Bridge Approach
Ogdensburg, NY 13669

(315) 393-1390

As you already know, they don't accept faxes so you have to send original documents as well as 2 copies and they only process exports Mon-Fri 8-4.

[Gabriel Kish]

This thread is almost 1000 pages, but did a search couldn't find my answer.
Did anyone import a car for company use, or leased from States?
I wonder if the precedure is the same as personal importing?
Any help will be appreciated.

Leasing won't work from one Country to another but a lease company could buy the car and then lease it. It would be the same process that a private citizen would go though. Every time a leasing company buys a car it's similar to how we sell to Canadian's.

[Toyota_Star]

Your information is incorrect. Siennas manufactured after Sept 1st, 2007 are admissible but marked with "EIS" (electronic immobilizer system). This means these vehicles need to pass an inspection that checks for the presence of an immobilizer system certified to the requirements of CMVSS 114. That is because effective Sept 1st, 2007, Transport Canada made it mandatory for all new cars, trucks, MPV's, SUV's (etc) to be equipped with immobilizers that comply with CMVSS 114.

Rest assured all 2008 Siennas will pass this inspection. Mine has a manufacture date of Feb 2008. I actually believe Canadian Tire is laughing while raking in free $100+ worth of inspection fees per 2008 Siennas. They see it's a Sienna you're bringing in, take your free $100+ fee happily, they secretly snicker amongst themselves, say it will take 1 hour to inspect, then take a 45-minute smoke break before phoning you it's ready for pickup.

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That was a typo error regarding the admissibility of Toyota Sienna 2008 (LE) manufacture after Sep 2007, what I meant was requiring to have modification on Immobilizer. Mine I bought is manufactured in Feb 2008, as you mentioned, I hope, I shouldn't have any issue with passing the inspection at CT. For you did they mention anything about immobilizer modification ?

Thank you so much.

[betaboy00]

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That was a typo error regarding the admissibility of Toyota Sienna 2008 (LE) manufacture after Sep 2007, what I meant was requiring to have modification on Immobilizer. Mine I bought is manufactured in Feb 2008, as you mentioned, I hope, I shouldn't have any issue with passing the inspection at CT. For you did they mention anything about immobilizer modification ?

Thank you so much.


my 08 Sienna XLE passed the inspection at CT with no problem.

[michelb]

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That was a typo error regarding the admissibility of Toyota Sienna 2008 (LE) manufacture after Sep 2007, what I meant was requiring to have modification on Immobilizer. Mine I bought is manufactured in Feb 2008, as you mentioned, I hope, I shouldn't have any issue with passing the inspection at CT. For you did they mention anything about immobilizer modification ?

Thank you so much.

Sienna LEs and up come with a factory immobilizer. You might need the window sticker or something to show it if they ask.

[Danielv2000]

Thank you guys for your help (perfchris, scrolllock, Danielv2000...)

I just drove my new car from NY (2008 Acura MDX). Everything went smooth and, for the moment, the car will be parked in my driveway until I take it to CT for the inspection.
One more question, I know that for a new car I am not supposed to need an emissions test, right? I know that some people have had problems with CT or the SAAQ (or MTO) because the keep insisting that you need one. Any ideas on what to tell them if they ask for one? Most of all at the time of registering the car.
Any page from the RIV site that I should print to show them that I don't need one?
Thanks

Congrats! I have more questions...

Is the inspection free at CT? Can I book the appointment now even though I don't yet have the car?

Thanks

[PrimeBane]

Congrats! I have more questions...

Is the inspection free at CT? Can I book the appointment now even though I don't yet have the car?

Thanks

It's free in that you don't pay CT... the inspection is part of the fee you pay to RIV. If you need a provincial inspection, you'll have to pay for it.

As for booking, I think that's up to the CT. The one I took my Outlook to in Calgary didn't take bookings. They said just bring it in and they'll fit it in.

[scrolllock]

Dear fellow importers and supporters,

The purpose of this short post is to solicit your help. If you have purchased a car from the U.S. either by yourself or through a broker, please go to www.carswithoutborders.com (http://www.carswithoutborders.com)and complete the survey.

It should take you no longer than one minute and is completely anonymous.

Importtrader.com will be donating $5.00 to CWB for every completed survey.

If you know of someone that has purchased a car in the U.S. please forward them this message.

Thanks again for your support, and lets hope the “bumper” amendments go through soon so we can import those 4 dr Altimas, BMWs, Corvettesetc…without being “fleeced” by the RIV, and the Car folks…

Note: We have been trying to contact the Deputy Minister of Transport Marc Gregoire to find out who is holding up the approval and why. He is responsible for the entire “Safety Group” at Transport Canada. He has failed to return our calls. Maybe you can have better luck.. he can be reached at 613-990-3838.

Thanks
Bob and Serge.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Isn't import trader associated with the "Auto Trader" group of companies?

What is the purpose of their survey?

I don't mind that your site gets the $5 but what are they planning to do with the information I provide them? The fact they're donating $5 tells me they have someone interested in the information.

Seems to me after two years of posts on this thread and Redflagdeals' member participation, I don't want them using the free information for personal gain.

Maybe I'm just a cynic but you won't believe how many people have approached me over the past year asking me to assist them with their project or process for personal inancial gain providing I no longer provide specific insight here.

As if that will happen...

[scrolllock]

Isn't import trader associated with the "Auto Trader" group of companies?

What is the purpose of their survey?

I don't mind that your site gets the $5 but what are they planning to do with the information I provide them? The fact they're donating $5 tells me they have someone interested in the information.

...

Importtrader is not associated with the Auto Trader group of Companies.

Their site states:
Importtrader.com brings 10 years experience importing and exporting industrial equipment through our parent company, Repolift.com

Repolift is a leading wholesaler of used forklifts, with warehouses across North America. Specializing in off-lease, trade-ins, and repossessed late-model lift trucks, they offer a wide range of used lift trucks and a huge selections of forklift brands

Importtrader.com is a Canada Customs Border expert

Our philosophy is simple. Assist Canadian dealers in offering their customers the best cars for the best prices in Canada.

Importtrader.com is a Canadian owned and operated company!




We have been told that they are using the information derived from the survey to help "model" their future business plans. They have developed a business model to help Canadian dealers import Vehicles, now they want to look at a model to help individual Canadians.

We at Carswithoutborders support them and would recommend their services to those Canadians requiring help to import their vehicle.

We would also recommend their transportation services. Getting your new car from somewhere in the US to your driveway!

[PrimeBane]

I took the survey... the info they asked for was pretty basic (savings, what type of vehicle, what province you're from, import costs, etc). It took about a minute and asked for no state secrets. :)

[Max_Dealing]

Can anyone either confirm or contest this statement?

9) Can I get financing for a car purchased in the US?

At $55,000 or more; having the funds available to pay cash is not really an option.

[michelb]

Can anyone either confirm or contest this statement?

[ US purchase needs to be cash]

At $55,000 or more; having the funds available to pay cash is not really an option.

That is correct. You cannot get dealer/manufacturer financing from a vehicle you buy in the US and plan on exporting. You might be able to get a traditional car loan from your bank or you can use a line of credit, otherwise, it's cash only.

[scrolllock]

Can anyone either confirm or contest this statement?



At $55,000 or more; having the funds available to pay cash is not really an option.

You can go to your own Canadian Bank or if you want to lease the car ... go to

http://www.ucanimport.com/vehicle_leasing.aspx

check out some of your options there. Just tell them that Bob or Serge from Carswithoutborders directed you there!

[justDeals]

Excellent Thread, Very informative

I read the whole thread , well almost, as i am in the market to buy a new vehicle. However once i contact a few Toyota dealers in buffalo area to get a quote, they told me off the bat that its not possible. even thought the car i am looking for is in the admissible list from RIV, but they told me that as part of Toyota policy you have to be a residence of USA and they cant sell it to Canadian ("big problem")

Can someone please tell me how have other people managed to get around this issue? Or is there something that i am missing here.

Thanks in advance.

[diigii]

Go further south, my friend! Dealerships there are more receptive to Canadian buyers.

Excellent Thread, Very informative

I read the whole thread , well almost, as i am in the market to buy a new vehicle. However once i contact a few Toyota dealers in buffalo area to get a quote, they told me off the bat that its not possible. even thought the car i am looking for is in the admissible list from RIV, but they told me that as part of Toyota policy you have to be a residence of USA and they cant sell it to Canadian ("big problem")

Can someone please tell me how have other people managed to get around this issue? Or is there something that i am missing here.

Thanks in advance.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Car dealers particularly in Western New York, Michigan and Washington state have caught on to the fact that there's easy money to be made with Canadians. Most of the shoppers get caught with the "wow" factor and don't seem to want to haggle after seeing the prices.

I'm getting emails from people telling me they're saving extra cash simply by avoiding the border states and shopping around. Some are posting their observations on this thread. What the border dealers fail to realize is that if you're already travelling 2 or three hours, an extra hour or two isn't too painful. For me, I could just as easily gone to Ohio, Pennsylvania, Indiana or even Vermont.

Since 7 million people live within a couple of hours drive of Buffalo, those in the GTA are particularly at risk as are our friends in the Montreal/Ottawa corridor.

I've heard folks from Vancouver are going to Idaho and Wyoming instead of Oregon and Washington.

The prairie states and eastern US seaboard seem to be the best places within a few hours driving distance.

The US economy is in a nosedive and it's a matter of time before some change their tunes I'm sure. Look at Toyota. Technically they don't sell to Canadians but new Toyotas are coming over by the truckload. Just ask the dealer from Kanata who's selling him new cars.

[Danielv2000]

The SAAQ agent you spoke to is clueless !

Take it from some other experienced importers including myself ! : You will need Canadian Tire stamp on Form 1 to get it registered at the SAAQ office as they need to fax that info to the SAAQ headquarters in Quebec to get it registered. They also need the blue paper from the border that shows that you paid the GST.

You CAN drive car with Fl temp plate, make sure you keep all docs with the vehicle. I would personally NOT drive the vehicle except for bringing it to CT for the inspection. You DO NOT need vehicle at the SAAQ office.

So, this is what you need to do. If the vehicle has FL temp tags on it, leave it at the border until the export office has the title papers for 72 hours. Drive down to the border, pick up the car at storage on the NY side, bring it up to to the US export office with your documents in hand, they will stamp your title for export only. Then stop at the Canadian, tell them you bought a vehicle in the US. They will tell you to go inside their offices. You will have an agent fill out the paperwork for you, you will pay GST and RIV fee at the border. Then, you will wait for the RIV to send you the form 2 that needs to be brought with you to CT for inspection. RIV will not send you form 2 until you have faxed or e-mailed recall clearance form from Porsche. As soon as you get form 2 from CT, you go to CT, have the vehicle inspected, they stamp your form 1 and send form 2 to the RIV. You go to the SAAQ with your paperwork, including stamped form 1, they will send it to SAAQ head office in Quebec City, after a half day, it gets approved, you return to pay QST on value you paid GST at the border, pay for registration and the vehicle is plated in QC.

Daniel, you are making the process much more complicated than it really is. Remember, the SAAQ call agents are clueless ! Relax this weekend and get ready for an exciting Monday driving back up on the 15. Make sure to avid all those potholes on the Quebec side of the border......

Just drove back with my new Porsche! Smooth as hell except for the fact that the dude in Florida forgot my temp plate so I drove to the local Champlain DMV, paid $10 and off I went. I arrived at Export COntrol - literally, spent 45 seconds. "You're good to go. Enjoy the car" was what I was told. I drive to the Canadian side. They are shocked by the price I paid. Do a little research. Finally agree after seeing my binder full of documentation. Spent about 20 minutes there. They completed and faxed Form 1 to the RIV so I will email the recall lettter in the morning. I have 2 questions:

1. They added the shipping costs to the costs of the car even though the bill of sale was for the car only. So they charged me duty on the shipping costs??? Cash grab?:mad:

2. As I wait for Form 2 before going to CT, do I need to get the modifications done? I need to change the speedometer from m to km and have the daylights turned on. Is this right that i do this before going to CT???

Thanks

Drive

[Nitrate]

Just drove back with my new Porsche! Smooth as hell except for the fact that the dude in Florida forgot my temp plate so I drove to the local Champlain DMV, paid $10 and off I went. I arrived at Export COntrol - literally, spent 45 seconds. "You're good to go. Enjoy the car" was what I was told. I drive to the Canadian side. They are shocked by the price I paid. Do a little research. Finally agree after seeing my binder full of documentation. Spent about 20 minutes there. They completed and faxed Form 1 to the RIV so I will email the recall lettter in the morning. I have 2 questions:

1. They added the shipping costs to the costs of the car even though the bill of sale was for the car only. So they charged me duty on the shipping costs??? Cash grab?:mad:

2. As I wait for Form 2 before going to CT, do I need to get the modifications done? I need to change the speedometer from m to km and have the daylights turned on. Is this right that i do this before going to CT???

Thanks

Drive
Yes, if you have your ducks all lined up in a row, the vehicle import process is a breeze! The total time I spent at the counters talking to the Customs people (both US and Canada) was less than 10 minutes. I spent more on the lineups than actually doing the transactions.

Regarding DRL on Porsches, look it up on the Net. You can DIY. My co-worker imported his 2004 Porsche 911 (bought it off eBay) early this year and when he found out that Porsche charges $600 to turn DRL on, he did it himself.

[Habsfan]

Yes do all the modifications before you go to C.T. Technically your RIV fee only includes the first inspection, they may charge you for any follow-up inspections.

If any other work i.e. bumpers has to be done, they will ask for receipts and even check that the work was done. Too many people where showing false bills for work that was never done.

[doublearon]

Yes, if you have your ducks all lined up in a row, the vehicle import process is a breeze! The total time I spent at the counters talking to the Customs people (both US and Canada) was less than 10 minutes. I spent more on the lineups than actually doing the transactions.

Regarding DRL on Porsches, look it up on the Net. You can DIY. My co-worker imported his 2004 Porsche 911 (bought it off eBay) early this year and when he found out that Porsche charges $600 to turn DRL on, he did it himself.

Another option is to take your porsche to Canadian tire and they will put a sticker over where the speedometer is and it will represent the speedometer is in Miles, it is about 4cm long and 2 cm tall. You can take it off once you leave, but that is another way of doing it... Worked for someone I know that brought in 2 Porsche Cayennes'

[Danielv2000]

Yes, if you have your ducks all lined up in a row, the vehicle import process is a breeze! The total time I spent at the counters talking to the Customs people (both US and Canada) was less than 10 minutes. I spent more on the lineups than actually doing the transactions.

Regarding DRL on Porsches, look it up on the Net. You can DIY. My co-worker imported his 2004 Porsche 911 (bought it off eBay) early this year and when he found out that Porsche charges $600 to turn DRL on, he did it himself.

$600???? Can you ask your friend where he found the instructions to do this? This is highway robbery!

[michelb]

$600???? Can you ask your friend where he found the instructions to do this? This is highway robbery!

Another option is to take your porsche to Canadian tire and they will put a sticker over where the speedometer is and it will represent the speedometer is in Miles, it is about 4cm long and 2 cm tall. You can take it off once you leave, but that is another way of doing it... Worked for someone I know that brought in 2 Porsche Cayennes'

Here's the link for the DRL hack for Porsches: http://www.whiteson.org/boxster/mods/drl/. I believe this turns your low beams on with the ignition (not sure if it works if you have HIDs and may not pass a SAAQ inspection (I believe the DRL regulations specifies that the lights go on with the car is in gear and the parking brake is disengaged but is off otherwise, would not be surprised if SAAQ checks for this)).

Also if you think $600 for the DRL is alot, I would take doublearon's suggestion and get the stickers for the speedo added - I've never priced one but I suspect a new speedo console for a Porsche will likely be a few thousand dollars. If you are going to do that though, I suggest you confirm with SAAQ to see if they'll allow it (from my experience, they seem quite a bit stricter than other provinces on what they consider 'unsafe')

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Update, it looks like the speedo on new/recent Porsche's might be digital (I thought it was analog) and you can just switch from mph to kph (I think you have to turn and hold the trip odo reset, turn the key on and hold the trip reset until it switches from imperial to metric) ...

[Danielv2000]

Here's the link for the DRL hack for Porsches: http://www.whiteson.org/boxster/mods/drl/. I believe this turns your low beams on with the ignition (not sure if it works if you have HIDs and may not pass a SAAQ inspection (I believe the DRL regulations specifies that the lights go on with the car is in gear and the parking brake is disengaged but is off otherwise, would not be surprised if SAAQ checks for this)).

Also if you think $600 for the DRL is alot, I would take doublearon's suggestion and get the stickers for the speedo added - I've never priced one but I suspect a new speedo console for a Porsche will likely be a few thousand dollars. If you are going to do that though, I suggest you confirm with SAAQ to see if they'll allow it (from my experience, they seem quite a bit stricter than other provinces on what they consider 'unsafe')

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Update, it looks like the speedo on new/recent Porsche's might be digital (I thought it was analog) and you can just switch from mph to kph (I think you have to turn and hold the trip odo reset, turn the key on and hold the trip reset until it switches from imperial to metric) ...

SAAQ inspection? Are you joking man??? You mean to tell me these guys are likely going to ask to perform an inspection? I thought that was CT's job???

[hhhm3]

Just drove back with my new Porsche! Smooth as hell except for the fact that the dude in Florida forgot my temp plate so I drove to the local Champlain DMV, paid $10 and off I went. I arrived at Export COntrol - literally, spent 45 seconds. "You're good to go. Enjoy the car" was what I was told. I drive to the Canadian side. They are shocked by the price I paid. Do a little research. Finally agree after seeing my binder full of documentation. Spent about 20 minutes there. They completed and faxed Form 1 to the RIV so I will email the recall lettter in the morning. I have 2 questions:

1. They added the shipping costs to the costs of the car even though the bill of sale was for the car only. So they charged me duty on the shipping costs??? Cash grab?:mad:

2. As I wait for Form 2 before going to CT, do I need to get the modifications done? I need to change the speedometer from m to km and have the daylights turned on. Is this right that i do this before going to CT???

Thanks

Drive

What shipping cost are you talking about?
Did you have the vehicle transported to Champlain Custom border for you to clear/pickup?
How much was the shipping cost to the border?

They charge you Duty on the shipping cost, don't seem right? you may want to inquire about that considering the transporting service you used was USA service (NAFTA).

CT RIV inspect is already paid for but ask them if they will charge again after you completed your mods, that way you know what you have to do (list).
But maybe just need to see the proof of the mods you did like bill of sale/service. Maybe CT can activate the DTRL for a small cost or any speedshop could do it too, it don't have to be Porsche harnessing, PIAA are very good.
LL Tek is pretty good but pricey, they are in Montreal.
http://www.lltek.com/porschtek/homeportek_fr.htm

Yeah, the speedometer sticker from CT is a good option, like someone said, just peel it off after.

[hhhm3]

SAAQ inspection? Are you joking man??? You mean to tell me these guys are likely going to ask to perform an inspection? I thought that was CT's job???

Not if the car is brand new (not been titled before).
If the car that was imported is used (already Titled), yes a safety check inspection is required.
Even Dealer demos can be titled before and classified a used vehicle regardless of mileage. It think safety check is like $70.

It is just like if you bought a car locally and are registering it to you, a safety check is needed.

[michelb]

SAAQ inspection? Are you joking man??? You mean to tell me these guys are likely going to ask to perform an inspection? I thought that was CT's job???

Not if the car is brand new (not been titled before).
If the car that was imported is used (already Titled), yes a safety check inspection is required.
Even Dealer demos can be titled before and classified a used vehicle regardless of mileage. It think safety check is like $70.

It is just like if you bought a car locally and are registering it to you, a safety check is needed.

As hhhm3 said, a safety check is required if the car is used. The CT check is not a safety check (brakes, lights, exhaust, etc), it's just a check to make sure that the car conforms to Canadian Standards. In other provinces, CT can also do the safety check (although I'd probably get an independent mechanic to do it but in Quebec, I believe it's only SAAQ inspection centers that can do it.

If the car is new, you *shouldn't* have to do it but I believe many others have been asked to do it and have had to argue (some with success) that a new car doesn't need a safety check.

[Danielv2000]

As hhhm3 said, a safety check is required if the car is used. The CT check is not a safety check (brakes, lights, exhaust, etc), it's just a check to make sure that the car conforms to Canadian Standards. In other provinces, CT can also do the safety check (although I'd probably get an independent mechanic to do it but in Quebec, I believe it's only SAAQ inspection centers that can do it.

If the car is new, you *shouldn't* have to do it but I believe many others have been asked to do it and have had to argue (some with success) that a new car doesn't need a safety check.

Well, I just spoke to my local Porsche delaership. They will charge $200 to re-program the daytime running lights! Then, another $400 to transfer the warranty and perform the full inspection. I guess it's not that bad since I wanted the inspection done for my own benefit (did not buy from a Porsche-specific dealer). As for the $200 for the DRL, better than $600! Not bad considering I paid nothing for the recall letter...

Dropping off the car on Tuesday to have the mods done.

[ruralx]

Ive been on the look-out for a 05 Passat TDI.. and was thinking of looking south of the border. But a used dealer I know tells me that they cant be imported into Canada due to Emissions standards. Can anyone confirm this is the case? Im having a hard time finding one up here.

[Toyota_Star]

Hi All,
Here is my experience with importing a new Toyota Sienna LE 2008.

I faxed my Title to Lewiston bridge 3 buz days prior to import.

1. I reached US customs and hand over original Title and they asked me to bring the Van in front of entrance. When they see my Van thru the glass, they stamped Title and gave to me. - 5 minutes

2. Canada Customs asked to show the all the docs, and I filled the Form 1 and they just verified doc and Form 1 and asked me to pay the GST.. - 10 minutes
(Not even looked at my vehicle)

3. Next day RIV fee paid online and called them next day and they said, they dont need the Recall letter and very next day they send the Form 2 by email.

4. Went to CT for inspection as well as Safety Standard certificate (is required, if you have Title and NOT REQUIRED - if you bring the MSO or MCO)

5. Went to MTO and all done in the same day and I got the plate + sticker.

NOTE - After the import, it took only 3 days to get all above done..

Here is the breakup of total cost incurred when I imported my VAN myself..

Car Purchase Price (C$) - Van Registered in US -- $26289.94
GST -- $1319.5
Air Cond fee -- $100
PST + Plate + Sticker -- $2186.69
RIV Fee -- $204.75
Safety Std Certificate -- $79.09
Travel Exp (Flight+Gas+1 day Hotel+ 1day off from work) -- $1472

Total price on the road (C$) -- $31651.97

I hope this will be helpful for your importation process....

Regards
:lol:

[atorontoguy]

Another option is to take your porsche to Canadian tire and they will put a sticker over where the speedometer is and it will represent the speedometer is in Miles, it is about 4cm long and 2 cm tall. You can take it off once you leave, but that is another way of doing it... Worked for someone I know that brought in 2 Porsche Cayennes'

How does your friend turn on the DRL of the 2 Porsche Cayenne? Thanks.

[Nitrate]

Hi All,
Here is my experience with importing a new Toyota Sienna LE 2008.

I faxed my Title to Lewiston bridge 3 buz days prior to import.

1. I reached US customs and hand over original Title and they asked me to bring the Van in front of entrance. When they see my Van thru the glass, they stamped Title and gave to me. - 5 minutes

2. Canada Customs asked to show the all the docs, and I filled the Form 1 and they just verified doc and Form 1 and asked me to pay the GST.. - 10 minutes
(Not even looked at my vehicle)

3. Next day RIV fee paid online and called them next day and they said, they dont need the Recall letter and very next day they send the Form 2 by email.

4. Went to CT for inspection as well as Safety Standard certificate (is required, if you have Title and NOT REQUIRED - if you bring the MSO or MCO)

5. Went to MTO and all done in the same day and I got the plate + sticker.

NOTE - After the import, it took only 3 days to get all above done..

Here is the breakup of total cost incurred when I imported my VAN myself..

Car Purchase Price (C$) - Van Registered in US -- $26289.94
GST -- $1319.5
Air Cond fee -- $100
PST + Plate + Sticker -- $2186.69
RIV Fee -- $204.75
Safety Std Certificate -- $79.09
Travel Exp (Flight+Gas+1 day Hotel+ 1day off from work) -- $1472

Total price on the road (C$) -- $31651.97

I hope this will be helpful for your importation process....

Regards
:lol:
Congrats, not too shabby, I must say!. I also imported a '08 Sienna LE back in March. My purchase price was lower than yours (albeit I only got an LE with EVP#2, alloy wheels, DRL, floor mats, door sill protector and tow prep package). And I didn't have to incur huge travel expenses, so I saved a bit more than you did. But all's well that ends well. Enjoy the Sienna!! :)

[HP_John]

Car dealers particularly in Western New York, Michigan and Washington state have caught on to the fact that there's easy money to be made with Canadians. Most of the shoppers get caught with the "wow" factor and don't seem to want to haggle after seeing the prices.

I'm getting emails from people telling me they're saving extra cash simply by avoiding the border states and shopping around. Some are posting their observations on this thread. What the border dealers fail to realize is that if you're already travelling 2 or three hours, an extra hour or two isn't too painful. For me, I could just as easily gone to Ohio, Pennsylvania, Indiana or even Vermont.

Since 7 million people live within a couple of hours drive of Buffalo, those in the GTA are particularly at risk as are our friends in the Montreal/Ottawa corridor.

I've heard folks from Vancouver are going to Idaho and Wyoming instead of Oregon and Washington.

The prairie states and eastern US seaboard seem to be the best places within a few hours driving distance.

The US economy is in a nosedive and it's a matter of time before some change their tunes I'm sure. Look at Toyota. Technically they don't sell to Canadians but new Toyotas are coming over by the truckload. Just ask the dealer from Kanata who's selling him new cars.

As an example, in California a Cdn can pay as low as $500 below invoice on a G37. In Buffalo, a Cdn will pay MSRP on a G37. That's literally a difference of $4000-$5000 (depending on how loaded). Even with shipping, you're way ahead NOT buying in Buffalo. If you buy a G37 in Buffalo, you are NOT saving $ anymore (Cdn G37 has a $4500 rebate + Cdn dealers are much more willing to deal now). There are actually Cdns who aren't doing their homework & assuming they're saving $ buying a G37 in Buffalo.

[Monky]

Originally Posted by Toyota_Star
4. Went to CT for inspection as well as Safety Standard certificate (is required, if you have Title and NOT REQUIRED - if you bring the MSO or MCO)


I want to understand the CT process. Toyota Star, you mentioned you do not need the Safety Standard Certificate if you have the MCO. If you bought brand new, did you not get the MCO? Looks liked you paid the $79.09.

Another item I want to clarify is the CT inspection. Is the fee included in the RIV fee?

[alfred1]

We cannot sell a new vehicle to a Canadian unless you can meet the following requirements:



The vehicle must be titled to a US address.
The vehicle must be registered and plated at that US address.
The vehicle must remain titled, registered, and plated at that US address for a minimum of 120 days—after which it may be exported.
If you can meet these requirements, please call me and I can further discuss the process with you.



Thank you,


(Note: This applies to vehicles with incentives, if you are inquiring on the RAV4 the procedure is a bit different, please let me know!)


Matt Bohach
Direct Line 330-573-2326
Internet Sales Manager and eBay Sales Director
Montrose Toyota Scion

[Nitrate]

Originally Posted by Toyota_Star
4. Went to CT for inspection as well as Safety Standard certificate (is required, if you have Title and NOT REQUIRED - if you bring the MSO or MCO)


I want to understand the CT process. Toyota Star, you mentioned you do not need the Safety Standard Certificate if you have the MCO. If you bought brand new, did you not get the MCO? Looks liked you paid the $79.09.

Another item I want to clarify is the CT inspection. Is the fee included in the RIV fee?
SSC is required if the vehicle was registered before import to Ontario (which applied to Toyota Star). If you are in possession of an MCO or MSO, it goes without saying that the vehicle has not been registered anywhere before import, and therefore does not require an SSC.

The RIV fee covers the federal inspection but you're still on the hook for the provincial inspection.

[allknowing]

You also need an etest if the model year isn't the current year. So unless you purchase an 08, you will need an etest.

[jhawley]

Hi All,
Here is my experience with importing a new Toyota Sienna LE 2008.

I faxed my Title to Lewiston bridge 3 buz days prior to import.

1. I reached US customs and hand over original Title and they asked me to bring the Van in front of entrance. When they see my Van thru the glass, they stamped Title and gave to me. - 5 minutes


I just purchased a 2007 Audi A4 in NY. I am a little confused about the requirements for faxing the Title to US customs. Can the faxed title be the original (previous) owner's title, or does it have to be the title transfered to me? The reason I ask, is that if you need to fax the title 72 hours before import, does this mean I have to travel down to the car, change over the title, fax it in, and then wait 72 hours to import? I only want to make 1 trip down. Thx

[Monky]

SSC is required if the vehicle was registered before import to Ontario (which applied to Toyota Star). If you are in possession of an MCO or MSO, it goes without saying that the vehicle has not been registered anywhere before import, and therefore does not require an SSC.

The RIV fee covers the federal inspection but you're still on the hook for the provincial inspection.

How much was the provinical portin of the inspection?

[scrolllock]

We cannot sell a new vehicle to a Canadian unless you can meet the following requirements:



The vehicle must be titled to a US address.
The vehicle must be registered and plated at that US address.
The vehicle must remain titled, registered, and plated at that US address for a minimum of 120 days—after which it may be exported.
If you can meet these requirements, please call me and I can further discuss the process with you.



Thank you,


(Note: This applies to vehicles with incentives, if you are inquiring on the RAV4 the procedure is a bit different, please let me know!)


Matt Bohach
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Internet Sales Manager and eBay Sales Director
Montrose Toyota Scion

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[usacars2canada]

Hi All,
Here is my experience with importing a new Toyota Sienna LE 2008.

I faxed my Title to Lewiston bridge 3 buz days prior to import.

1. I reached US customs and hand over original Title and they asked me to bring the Van in front of entrance. When they see my Van thru the glass, they stamped Title and gave to me. - 5 minutes

2. Canada Customs asked to show the all the docs, and I filled the Form 1 and they just verified doc and Form 1 and asked me to pay the GST.. - 10 minutes
(Not even looked at my vehicle)

3. Next day RIV fee paid online and called them next day and they said, they dont need the Recall letter and very next day they send the Form 2 by email.

4. Went to CT for inspection as well as Safety Standard certificate (is required, if you have Title and NOT REQUIRED - if you bring the MSO or MCO)

5. Went to MTO and all done in the same day and I got the plate + sticker.

NOTE - After the import, it took only 3 days to get all above done..

Here is the breakup of total cost incurred when I imported my VAN myself..

Car Purchase Price (C$) - Van Registered in US -- $26289.94
GST -- $1319.5
Air Cond fee -- $100
PST + Plate + Sticker -- $2186.69
RIV Fee -- $204.75
Safety Std Certificate -- $79.09
Travel Exp (Flight+Gas+1 day Hotel+ 1day off from work) -- $1472

Total price on the road (C$) -- $31651.97

I hope this will be helpful for your importation process....

Regards
:lol:

At this price, it will cost you less if you use an import broker like us. A (good) import broker will take care of all the work for you, so that you will be hassle free and worry free. And they use a flat bed trailer to transport your vehicle back to Canada.

[5abi]

I just purchased a 2007 Audi A4 in NY. I am a little confused about the requirements for faxing the Title to US customs. Can the faxed title be the original (previous) owner's title, or does it have to be the title transfered to me? The reason I ask, is that if you need to fax the title 72 hours before import, does this mean I have to travel down to the car, change over the title, fax it in, and then wait 72 hours to import? I only want to make 1 trip down. Thx

i am wondering the same thing too. f a private seller has a loan through a bank and the bank holds the title how can i fax that to the border 72 hours prior? the loan at the bank has to be paid off before the title is released and they say it takes 4-6 weeks. thanks

[Symcrapico]

Ive purchased a brand new Legacy 2.5GT back in october 2007 and now im putting it for sale. Ive been asked if the warranty is transferable to the next owner? I think it is, but i just want a confirmation and also do I give the buyer the MSO and thats it?

[Danielv2000]

I just purchased a 2007 Audi A4 in NY. I am a little confused about the requirements for faxing the Title to US customs. Can the faxed title be the original (previous) owner's title, or does it have to be the title transfered to me? The reason I ask, is that if you need to fax the title 72 hours before import, does this mean I have to travel down to the car, change over the title, fax it in, and then wait 72 hours to import? I only want to make 1 trip down. Thx

Jhawley - it depends on the border crossing. Suggest you call the US export control where you will be crossing. In my case, I fedex the title that was transfered to me to US customs 72 hours before I drove the car through the border. When I arrived, it was already stamped and good to go - 45 seconds flat. Looked out and told me to enjoy the car.

[Nitrate]

I just purchased a 2007 Audi A4 in NY. I am a little confused about the requirements for faxing the Title to US customs. Can the faxed title be the original (previous) owner's title, or does it have to be the title transfered to me? The reason I ask, is that if you need to fax the title 72 hours before import, does this mean I have to travel down to the car, change over the title, fax it in, and then wait 72 hours to import? I only want to make 1 trip down. Thx
At the Pacific Crossing in Blaine WA, they do not require that the title be issued in your name. They only require an original title and a bill-of-sale. (Of course, for the title to be a valid transfer-of-ownership, the back of the title must be signed by the original owner, but the Pacific Crossing does not even check the back - at least, not in my case.)

Previous poster is correct, check your particular border crossing for details. The requirements vary from crossing to crossing.

[Nitrate]

At this price, it will cost you less if you use an import broker like us. A (good) import broker will take care of all the work for you, so that you will be hassle free and worry free. And they use a flat bed trailer to transport your vehicle back to Canada.It depends on the import broker. Price-wise, I did a lot better using my own US-based broker than the local Canadian import brokers in my area (at least those I asked). That said, it wasn't completely worry-free because I had to arrange for shipping to a border town and I did my own import. But since my research was extensive and had all my ducks lined up in a row, it was hassle-free. There was only one wrinkle and it was out of my control, the shipper was late than promised.

[Nitrate]

i am wondering the same thing too. f a private seller has a loan through a bank and the bank holds the title how can i fax that to the border 72 hours prior? the loan at the bank has to be paid off before the title is released and they say it takes 4-6 weeks. thanks
Again, this pertains to only the Pacific Crossing in Blaine WA. In lieu of a title, they will accept a letter from the lien-holder (bank, finance company, etc.) granting permission for the vehicle to leave the USA and be exported to Canada. These letters are only issued to the individual(s) originally named on the loan, not to the buyer of the vehicle.

[Monsieurmaggot]

You also need an etest if the model year isn't the current year. So unless you purchase an 08, you will need an etest.

That would be incorrect.

If the vehicle has never been titled, it's considered new (at least in Ontario). It would be exempt of safeties or etests.

As someone else pointed out, Demos are considered used vehicles and etests are required.

Many people are relying on the word of a $10 an hour CT car jockey that those tests are required. THEY ARE NOT.

[justDeals]

Does any one knows when is the woodstock plant finally going to be completed? last i read was it should be done by July 08. Can some one please confirm?


thanks,

[trenton1776]

Say I import a vehicle into Ontario, pay the GST at the border, preform all the necessary CT inspections/modifications and all I have left to do is register and pay the PST.

Before I register, I sell the vehicle to a private third party in Ontario. Can I have it that the buyer pays the PST directly rather then me having to pay it first and then buyer paying again when he registers the vehicle?

I'd appreciate any input

[derwin]

That would be incorrect.

If the vehicle has never been titled, it's considered new (at least in Ontario). It would be exempt of safeties or etests.

As someone else pointed out, Demos are considered used vehicles and etests are required.

Many people are relying on the word of a $10 an hour CT car jockey that those tests are required. THEY ARE NOT.

Well the Ministry lady sent me back to CT since I didn't have a e-test - It was an '07 and it was Jan 08 - she said if I had come in December I wouldn't have needed it. CT never said I needed it - wish they had, would have save me a trip and 2 days wait.

[crasher]

Say I import a vehicle into Ontario, pay the GST at the border, preform all the necessary CT inspections/modifications and all I have left to do is register and pay the PST.

Before I register, I sell the vehicle to a private third party in Ontario. Can I have it that the buyer pays the PST directly rather then me having to pay it first and then buyer paying again when he registers the vehicle?

I'd appreciate any input

Yes! thats true, if you sell before registration only buyer needs to pay PST.
I sold my car to my uncle, and had never paid any PST. I only wrote a sale letter on plain paper and handed him all the papers including customs to my uncle. He paid PST, and got the car registered under his name in 5 minutes. No etests or other provincial safety tests were required either.

[trenton1776]

Yes! thats true, if you sell before registration only buyer needs to pay PST.
I sold my car to my uncle, and had never paid any PST. I only wrote a sale letter on plain paper and handed him all the papers including customs to my uncle. He paid PST, and got the car registered under his name in 5 minutes. No etests or other provincial safety tests were required either.

Thanks, good to know.
What if I sell the vehicle for more than my import price? Will the buyer pay PST on my price, the import price or book value? Will the buyer need all the customs forms? It might just be easiest to go with the buyer to register hand over all the forms including my sales receipt to him and have them sort it all out. What do you think?

[Homeo]

Hello All, Thanks to the wealth of information here, I've just completed purchase of a 2004 Honda pilot from the USA and I have a question:

Car is currently parked in Buffalo since I don't have the title with me to bring it over.. I's an Ohio car and dealer is in Illinois.. so the title is being converted by the department of state in illinois.

In the mean-time can I bring it over the border and park it at home without importing it? I understand there's a $500 fine but If i put dealer plates on it and cross the border how will they know this car needs to be imported and hence assess a fine?

I have a photocopy of the old ohio title and the car has no liens. Can I get a letter from the dealership on top of the bill of sale to prove that this is my car? I understand the title is only needed to prove the car has no liens on it is this true?

I plan on importing it legally throught the border once the title comes in ( 2 weeks or so) but I don't want to part it for that long unattended

thanks

[kergoz]

It depends on the import broker. Price-wise, I did a lot better using my own US-based broker than the local Canadian import brokers in my area (at least those I asked). That said, it wasn't completely worry-free because I had to arrange for shipping to a border town and I did my own import. But since my research was extensive and had all my ducks lined up in a row, it was hassle-free. There was only one wrinkle and it was out of my control, the shipper was late than promised.

I agree..I have contacted about 3 Canadian brokers and their fees are very high. In the end there was pretty well little point in importing with these brokers once you add up all the fees and the shipping and so on. I dont think they are that honest either on the total fees they are getting..I suspect they are making another 1000 dollars or more which they claim is the price they paid to the US dealer. However they never seem to be able to get the low pricing I get just from simply sending an email to some internet managers at Toyota dealers..seems fishy. Of course these dealers dont sell to Canadians. In the end it looks like Fleetrates will offer the best option as their prices quite good even including shipping. The one dealer I found who would sell new to Canadians is only selling at MSRP and does not even give you the 1500 discount..in the end with foreign exchange fees/riv fee/shipping fee it ends up as much as buying in Canada.

[pothia]

Hi, does anyone know if I buy a used 07/08 Toyota camry from Ebay, would the procedures be the same as importing a brand new one? What should i need to look out for?
Thank you!

[angel_wing0]

can anyone pm me the list of US honda dealers that are willling to sell to canadians? Thanks! :)

[gdong]

I'm a Canadian currently living in Ontario that's going to be a living and working temporarily for 4 months in Seattle with a visa. Any idea if it's possible to purchase a car there, use it for 4 months and imported it when I come back to Ontario in 4 months?

[Symcrapico]

Ive purchased a brand new Legacy 2.5GT back in october 2007 and now im putting it for sale. Ive been asked if the warranty is transferable to the next owner? I think it is, but i just want a confirmation and also do I give the buyer the MSO and thats it?

Im biumping this since Ive got a buyer and I just want to make sure that the warranty is transferable to him

[yyz2hkg]

Warranties are through Subaru of America or affiliated organizations.
Warranty work must be performed by an authorized dealer in the US

Subaru warranties stay with the car.
All warranties start with the date of first sale. A Subaru dealer can determine that date if you have the V.I.N.
When a Subaru is sold as a used car there is no warranty transfer charge but owners should contact 800-SUBARU3

For complete details always refer to your owners manual, local dealer service department or call 800 SUBARU3

SOURCE (http://www.cars101.com/subwarr.html)

[michelb]

Say I import a vehicle into Ontario, pay the GST at the border, preform all the necessary CT inspections/modifications and all I have left to do is register and pay the PST.

Before I register, I sell the vehicle to a private third party in Ontario. Can I have it that the buyer pays the PST directly rather then me having to pay it first and then buyer paying again when he registers the vehicle?

I'd appreciate any input

Yes! thats true, if you sell before registration only buyer needs to pay PST.
I sold my car to my uncle, and had never paid any PST. I only wrote a sale letter on plain paper and handed him all the papers including customs to my uncle. He paid PST, and got the car registered under his name in 5 minutes. No etests or other provincial safety tests were required either.

Thanks, good to know.
What if I sell the vehicle for more than my import price? Will the buyer pay PST on my price, the import price or book value? Will the buyer need all the customs forms? It might just be easiest to go with the buyer to register hand over all the forms including my sales receipt to him and have them sort it all out. What do you think?

I would confirm this with your local Ministry of Transport. I asked and was told that you could only register in Ontario in the name of the person that's on the Form1 - if that's you, you have to register it (pay PST) and then transfer the new Ontario registration to the new buyer and they re-register it (paying PST again). I asked because a friend wants me to import a car for him and they told me to make sure it was imported in his name not mine otherwise we'd both pay PST.

Also when we bought our Sienna, I bought it in my name but we wanted it in my wife's name and they would not let me know transfer it to her until I registered it in Ontario (even though since it was a spousal transfer, there's no PST anyway ...)

[usacars2canada]

It depends on the import broker. Price-wise, I did a lot better using my own US-based broker than the local Canadian import brokers in my area (at least those I asked). That said, it wasn't completely worry-free because I had to arrange for shipping to a border town and I did my own import. But since my research was extensive and had all my ducks lined up in a row, it was hassle-free. There was only one wrinkle and it was out of my control, the shipper was late than promised.

Because you use a US-based broker, most of the time they will only ship to a border town in US. That's why you have to do your own import. If you use Canadian import brokers, they (at least we) will do all the import procedures for you.

FYI, shipping is the most non-deterministic part of the whole import process. It is very rare that shipping can arrive on time, due to delay in traffic, US custom, Canadian custom, etc.

[Nitrate]

Because you use a US-based broker, most of the time they will only ship to a border town in US. That's why you have to do your own import. If you use Canadian import brokers, they (at least we) will do all the import procedures for you.

FYI, shipping is the most non-deterministic part of the whole import process. It is very rare that shipping can arrive on time, due to delay in traffic, US custom, Canadian custom, etc.
I had the option of having it shipped right to my door. But the cost of the shipping compared to the ease of actual importation did not warrant such a huge expense, I therefore chose to have it shipped to a border town for a LOT less money. Why pay when I can do it on my own?

Knowing how easy it is to import a vehicle (i.e. there's really only 3 pieces of documentation we need on the West Coast and the whole process at the border took less than 10 minutes total), paying for someone to do all the import procedures is really only worth it to those who cannot find the time to do it or cannot be bothered to do their own research or are physically unable to do it. There may be other exceptional reasons to pay for this service but any able-bodied person with the will to do it should be able to, providing of course the person can find the vehicle to import in the first place.

[usacars2canada]

I agree..I have contacted about 3 Canadian brokers and their fees are very high. In the end there was pretty well little point in importing with these brokers once you add up all the fees and the shipping and so on. I dont think they are that honest either on the total fees they are getting..I suspect they are making another 1000 dollars or more which they claim is the price they paid to the US dealer. However they never seem to be able to get the low pricing I get just from simply sending an email to some internet managers at Toyota dealers..seems fishy. Of course these dealers dont sell to Canadians. In the end it looks like Fleetrates will offer the best option as their prices quite good even including shipping. The one dealer I found who would sell new to Canadians is only selling at MSRP and does not even give you the 1500 discount..in the end with foreign exchange fees/riv fee/shipping fee it ends up as much as buying in Canada.

Which city are you at? If you live around the Toronto area, please PM us or visit our office for the price. We pass the savings to our customers, and will even show them the US dealer invoice.

[usacars2canada]

I had the option of having it shipped right to my door. But the cost of the shipping compared to the ease of actual importation did not warrant such a huge expense, I therefore chose to have it shipped to a border town for a LOT less money. Why pay when I can do it on my own?

Knowing how easy it is to import a vehicle (i.e. there's really only 3 pieces of documentation we need on the West Coast and the whole process at the border took less than 10 minutes total), paying for someone to do all the import procedures is really only worth it to those who cannot find the time to do it or cannot be bothered to do their own research or are physically unable to do it. There may be other exceptional reasons to pay for this service but any able-bodied person with the will to do it should be able to, providing of course the person can find the vehicle to import in the first place.

There are some logical reasons behind to use an import broker:
- It may not be easy to find a US dealer to sell a new car to Canadians
- Even if a US dealer is found, it may not sell at a good price, i.e. they sell at MSRP only to Canadians. (We pass the savings to our customers and can show them the US dealer invoice.)
- Most US dealers will require the vehicle to register and title in US first. Unless you have friends or relatives living in a low tax state, the tax paid can be sufficient to pay the import broker (e.g. Buffalo tax here is 8.75%)
- Besides US state tax, there are additional cost and time involved:
1. airplane ticket to the dealership (plus transportation cost from home to airport in Canada, and transportation cost from US airport to dealership)
2. hotels and accommodations (at the dealership location the night before, as well as along the way back to Canada)
3. the gas and long hours to drive the vehicle back
4. the mileage added onto the brand new vehicle
5. the time off taken from work (1 or 2 days at least) to pick up the vehicle. This is your salary.
- You can give all the import worries and frustrations to the import broker

There are additional advantages dealing with a CANADIAN import broker:
1. Ability to deal in person and meet the company in the office face to face.
2. Only need to pay deposit upfront, with balance due upon pick up of vehicle
3. We have leasing and financing options for our customers

[kergoz]

There are some logical reasons behind to use an import broker:
- It may not be easy to find a US dealer to sell a new car to Canadians
- Even if a US dealer is found, it may not sell at a good price, i.e. they sell at MSRP only to Canadians. (We pass the savings to our customers and can show them the US dealer invoice.)
- Most US dealers will require the vehicle to register and title in US first. Unless you have friends or relatives living in a low tax state, the tax paid can be sufficient to pay the import broker (e.g. Buffalo tax here is 8.75%)
- Besides US state tax, there are additional cost and time involved:
1. airplane ticket to the dealership (plus transportation cost from home to airport in Canada, and transportation cost from US airport to dealership)
2. hotels and accommodations (at the dealership location the night before, as well as along the way back to Canada)
3. the gas and long hours to drive the vehicle back
4. the mileage added onto the brand new vehicle
5. the time off taken from work (1 or 2 days at least) to pick up the vehicle. This is your salary.
- You can give all the import worries and frustrations to the import broker

On the other hand I have found that Canadian import broker fees are very high..in the 1000-2000 dollar range. If you add shipping that can add another 1000-1500 dollars plus the exhange rate which right now adds another 1000 dollars on a 25000 dollar vehicle..there is not much savings left.
I have priced out 2008 Toyota Sienna with Canadian import brokers and there just is not much if any savings..also keep in mind that a Canadian CE is almost about as well equipped as a USA LE. The prices paid for Sienna from US dealer was also quite high from the 2 import brokers who quoted me..even though I can get significantly lower quotes just from sending an email to some internet sales managers. Hence to be honest I am not impressed with the ability of the Canadian import brokers to find a good priced vehicle to begin with and then their fees in general. As Nitrate says the actual process of crossing the border is relatively easy..is it really worth spending 1000 dollars or more to someone for that?

[usacars2canada]

On the other hand I have found that Canadian import broker fees are very high..in the 1000-2000 dollar range. If you add shipping that can add another 1000-1500 dollars plus the exhange rate which right now adds another 1000 dollars on a 25000 dollar vehicle..there is not much savings left.
I have priced out 2008 Toyota Sienna with Canadian import brokers and there just is not much if any savings..also keep in mind that a Canadian CE is almost about as well equipped as a USA LE. The prices paid for Sienna from US dealer was also quite high from the 2 import brokers who quoted me..even though I can get significantly lower quotes just from sending an email to some internet sales managers. Hence to be honest I am not impressed with the ability of the Canadian import brokers to find a good priced vehicle to begin with and then their fees in general. As Nitrate says the actual process of crossing the border is relatively easy..is it really worth spending 1000 dollars or more to someone for that?

We have no idea on the pricing of your 2 Canadian import brokers. Their ability and pricing do not represent every Canadian import broker. For us:
1. We believe the price we get from the US dealer is good, and we pass the savings to the customers
2. Our shipping fee to Toronto is less than $1,000 (e.g. Buffalo to Toronto is $350)
3. Our broker fee is reasonable

As mentioned, there are additional advantages dealing with a CANADIAN import broker:
1. Ability to deal in person and meet the company in the office face to face.
2. Only need to pay deposit upfront, with balance due upon pick up of vehicle
3. We have leasing and financing options for our customers

I believe our customers save money and like our service, otherwise we can't get customers and referrals from customers after their purchase experience. Here is an experience posted by a customer:
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6722387&postcount=300

Please PM or email us if you are interested in the price.

[kergoz]

We have no idea on the pricing of your 2 Canadian import brokers. Their ability and pricing do not represent every Canadian import broker. For us:
1. We believe the price we get from the US dealer is good, and we pass the savings to the customers
2. Our shipping fee to Toronto is less than $1,000 (e.g. Buffalo to Toronto is $350)
3. Our broker fee is reasonable

As mentioned, there are additional advantages dealing with a CANADIAN import broker:
1. Ability to deal in person and meet the company in the office face to face.
2. Only need to pay deposit upfront, with balance due upon pick up of vehicle
3. We have leasing and financing options for our customers

I believe our customers save money and like our service, otherwise we can't get customers and referrals from customers after their purchase experience. Here is an experience posted by a customer:
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6722387&postcount=300

Please PM or email us if you are interested in the price.


You are the only broker who has given me the option of putting a deposit down..the other 2 I dealt with wanted full payment which makes me very uncomfortable so that is a big positive for me. Again though I would be curious to see what prices you can get from the US dealers..so far the other 2 brokers were nowhere close to the prices I have seen just by scanning the carspace.com forum in which people list prices they paid for various vehicles. I also have received some pretty good quotes just from emailing dealers. I sent you a PM so now we will see how competitive your prices are once everything is added up.

[icansteve]

The car will be imported on my name.
However, is it possible that my friend can pick up the car and process all the jods at the border?
What we need to work this out?

Many thanks.

[mavrik]

We have no idea on the pricing of your 2 Canadian import brokers. Their ability and pricing do not represent every Canadian import broker. For us:
1. We believe the price we get from the US dealer is good, and we pass the savings to the customers
2. Our shipping fee to Toronto is less than $1,000 (e.g. Buffalo to Toronto is $350)
3. Our broker fee is reasonable

As mentioned, there are additional advantages dealing with a CANADIAN import broker:
1. Ability to deal in person and meet the company in the office face to face.
2. Only need to pay deposit upfront, with balance due upon pick up of vehicle
3. We have leasing and financing options for our customers

I believe our customers save money and like our service, otherwise we can't get customers and referrals from customers after their purchase experience. Here is an experience posted by a customer:
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6722387&postcount=300

Please PM or email us if you are interested in the price.

How does your company deal with used cars? If a customer were to give you an approx. price and mileage for a used vehicle, do you assist in finding and importing the car? Once a used car is found, does your "deposit" policy apply to used cars as well? Do you assist in registering the car in Canada? Please post details here or PM me.... Thank you....

[angel_wing0]

We have no idea on the pricing of your 2 Canadian import brokers. Their ability and pricing do not represent every Canadian import broker. For us:
1. We believe the price we get from the US dealer is good, and we pass the savings to the customers
2. Our shipping fee to Toronto is less than $1,000 (e.g. Buffalo to Toronto is $350)
3. Our broker fee is reasonable

As mentioned, there are additional advantages dealing with a CANADIAN import broker:
1. Ability to deal in person and meet the company in the office face to face.
2. Only need to pay deposit upfront, with balance due upon pick up of vehicle
3. We have leasing and financing options for our customers

I believe our customers save money and like our service, otherwise we can't get customers and referrals from customers after their purchase experience. Here is an experience posted by a customer:
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6722387&postcount=300

Please PM or email us if you are interested in the price.

cool, i didnt know u do finance and leasing ;) do u do trade-ins? jokes :D

i will give them a try since i have no time to get to the states, but i think usacars2canada should be more upfront about the price (like x% of the car cost, $x of border fees, etc) in order to prove they really are a WAY BETTER OPTION than doing all the things yourself. Not a knock, but just my 2 cents.

I already talked to them today, and hopefully i can get some nice answers tmr :D

[lake600]

I just heard new immigrant to Canada can bring a car without duty and tax?
Is that means they can import a new vehicle from US without paying GST?
Anyone here has some related experiences?

[Nitrate]

There are some logical reasons behind to use an import broker:
- It may not be easy to find a US dealer to sell a new car to Canadians
- Even if a US dealer is found, it may not sell at a good price, i.e. they sell at MSRP only to Canadians. (We pass the savings to our customers and can show them the US dealer invoice.)
- Most US dealers will require the vehicle to register and title in US first. Unless you have friends or relatives living in a low tax state, the tax paid can be sufficient to pay the import broker (e.g. Buffalo tax here is 8.75%)
- Besides US state tax, there are additional cost and time involved:
1. airplane ticket to the dealership (plus transportation cost from home to airport in Canada, and transportation cost from US airport to dealership)
2. hotels and accommodations (at the dealership location the night before, as well as along the way back to Canada)
3. the gas and long hours to drive the vehicle back
4. the mileage added onto the brand new vehicle
5. the time off taken from work (1 or 2 days at least) to pick up the vehicle. This is your salary.
- You can give all the import worries and frustrations to the import broker

There are additional advantages dealing with a CANADIAN import broker:
1. Ability to deal in person and meet the company in the office face to face.
2. Only need to pay deposit upfront, with balance due upon pick up of vehicle
3. We have leasing and financing options for our customers
Import brokers have their place. But they're not the least expensive route. Like I said, people who can't be bothered to do their own legwork or are too worrisome about the whole deal would be best served by import brokers like you. Even if they have to pay a little more for it.

All the "logical" reasons stated above only apply to those buying directly from a US dealer, either personally or through a relative or friend. If a person has no other recourse, Canadian import brokers make sense.

However, I bought from a US-based broker who offered me a brand-new vehicle at invoice price, who did not charge any state sales tax, who did not require the vehicle to be titled (he gave me the MSO), and who had my vehicle shipped from the dealer to a border town close to me. I had the option of having it shipped to my house, but I decided to pocket the savings by importing it myself.

I think only a few import brokers (if any) can beat the total price I paid. How much will I shell out for you finding and shipping me a US Sienna LE with EVP#2, 16" alloy wheels, tow prep, DRL, floor mats and door sill protectors? Dollar for dollar, I'm sure the total price I paid would be lower than yours.

But here's the thing, honestly, I had my own worries during the process, not having done it before. Would I be willing to pay the extra money to an import broker to be worry-free? It depends on the price difference and certainly only if I was un-initiated. Now that I've done my own import, I certainly would do it my way again. But considering that things do not remain the same they are, I would not totally rule out import brokers if I going to buy again. (I did not rule them out the first time around either, but I found someone else with a better price.)

[runningdog]

How does your company deal with used cars? If a customer were to give you an approx. price and mileage for a used vehicle, do you assist in finding and importing the car? Once a used car is found, does your "deposit" policy apply to used cars as well? Do you assist in registering the car in Canada? Please post details here or PM me.... Thank you....


Same here. I would like to have this info.

[usacars2canada]

How does your company deal with used cars? If a customer were to give you an approx. price and mileage for a used vehicle, do you assist in finding and importing the car? Once a used car is found, does your "deposit" policy apply to used cars as well? Do you assist in registering the car in Canada? Please post details here or PM me.... Thank you....

For used vehicles, the situation is a bit different. It will be the best if you can source and locate the vehicle yourself, and have yourself/friends/relatives inspected the vehicle for you. We can source the vehicle for you, but we won't go to US to perform the inspection. You will have to make the decision based on the photos and information on the Internet. And once the vehicle is shipped and imported into Canada, it is a done deal and cannot be returned to US.

[usacars2canada]

cool, i didnt know u do finance and leasing ;) do u do trade-ins? jokes :D

We have a partner dealer company who will trade used vehicles.

[angel_wing0]

We have a partner dealer company who will trade used vehicles.

that is perfect, i await your email/call today and hopefully it will be a good experience dealing with your company.

[sg0777]

Just wanted to say thanks to all who have posted here, particularly those who answered my pm's.

Purchased my 08 Outback 2.5i Limited from Van Bortels last Friday. Purchase went very smoothly, in and out in about 30 minutes. Did some shopping at the Outlet. Crossed at Lewiston with no issues. Paid RIV and sent in my Form1 and Recall on Saturday by fax and email. Had my Form2 on Monday morning. Went to CT and MTO on Tuesday morning.

Only minor issue was at the MTO. The person I happen to get kept telling me I needed a provincial safety inspection. Issue was settled by a quick call to their "hotline".

[Anonymouse]

One way I thought of bypassing American dealer restrictions on selling to Canadians is to incorporate a company in Vermont and have it buy the car, which you can then sell to yourself.

http://gigaom.com/2008/06/17/vermont-oks-the-creation-of-virtual-corporations/

[NapoleonIII]

Hello,
I am searching for a dealer who wants to sell for Canadian importation in USA,
Please share your experiences and suggestions about New Porsche ,Porsche Dealers and prices ,
thanks

[hotgo]

Just wanted to say thanks to all who have posted here, particularly those who answered my pm's.

Purchased my 08 Outback 2.5i Limited from Van Bortels last Friday. Purchase went very smoothly, in and out in about 30 minutes. Did some shopping at the Outlet. Crossed at Lewiston with no issues. Paid RIV and sent in my Form1 and Recall on Saturday by fax and email. Had my Form2 on Monday morning. Went to CT and MTO on Tuesday morning.

Only minor issue was at the MTO. The person I happen to get kept telling me I needed a provincial safety inspection. Issue was settled by a quick call to their "hotline".

Congrats! Glad everything went well... now go enjoy the car!

[ImportTrader]

Just wanted to say thanks to all who have posted here, particularly those who answered my pm's.

Purchased my 08 Outback 2.5i Limited from Van Bortels last Friday. Purchase went very smoothly, in and out in about 30 minutes. Did some shopping at the Outlet. Crossed at Lewiston with no issues. Paid RIV and sent in my Form1 and Recall on Saturday by fax and email. Had my Form2 on Monday morning. Went to CT and MTO on Tuesday morning.

Only minor issue was at the MTO. The person I happen to get kept telling me I needed a provincial safety inspection. Issue was settled by a quick call to their "hotline".

I understood that you have to give the U.S border 72 hours notice prior to your border crossing. Did you fax all your info, or had the dealer do it, to the U.S border 3 days prior to picking up your new Outback? I ask because when we would bring in a truckload of vehicles for a dealer we had to notify the U.S border 72 hours in advance of our arrival. Thanking you in advance of your response!

[RandyOhhh]

Hello,

I need some advise and I thought I would ask you all since most of you have gone through this experience. It took almost 1 month to get a paper copy of the title of the vehicle I purchased. I bought it in Kansas which is an electronic title state... Anyway, I brought the paperwork to U.S. customs last night and I can bring the car home on Monday.

Right now it's sitting in a friend's driveway in Vermont... Problem is that my temporary plate was good for 30 days, and it expires on Friday.

What can I do? Should I drive it with expired plates? Should I fudge the 20 into a 28? Should I put the old owners KS plate on the car? Do either customs or RIV check the vehicle registration? I don't want to resort to having to have it transported.

Help!

Thanks,

Randy

[Monky]

I imported an 08 Odyssey this past Monday and had the car insured Tuesday. Very straight forward process and would not hesitate to do it again if I needed a car, and of course if the price/exchange rates are right. But I must admit I was neverous throughout the process as I never have done this before.

I heard the Blaine US border processes about 200 cars a day. I guess it is true because when I was on the Canadian side, I met 5 people exporting within the 10 minutes I was there.

Thanks for the tips given on this forum as it was very helpful. Good luck to anyone else trying this!

[macord]

Has anybody had any experience on tips on importing a honda crv ex-l ? I know the warranty wont be valid here but it would on the states so worst comes to worst i will take the drive there for a maintenance. But im wondering if someone did it and if so where ? I heard not all honda dealers are Canadian friendly in the states ... please let me know .. thanks in advance

[sg0777]

I understood that you have to give the U.S border 72 hours notice prior to your border crossing. Did you fax all your info, or had the dealer do it, to the U.S border 3 days prior to picking up your new Outback? I ask because when we would bring in a truckload of vehicles for a dealer we had to notify the U.S border 72 hours in advance of our arrival. Thanking you in advance of your response!

Yes, the dealer sent notice to the US border a week before I picked the car up. I called the border the day before I left to confirm they had received everything.

[hhhm3]

Hello,

I need some advise and I thought I would ask you all since most of you have gone through this experience. It took almost 1 month to get a paper copy of the title of the vehicle I purchased. I bought it in Kansas which is an electronic title state... Anyway, I brought the paperwork to U.S. customs last night and I can bring the car home on Monday.

Right now it's sitting in a friend's driveway in Vermont... Problem is that my temporary plate was good for 30 days, and it expires on Friday.

What can I do? Should I drive it with expired plates? Should I fudge the 20 into a 28? Should I put the old owners KS plate on the car? Do either customs or RIV check the vehicle registration? I don't want to resort to having to have it transported.

Help!

Thanks,

Randy

Call and ask the Vermont DMV office if you can obtain a 10day temp permit to export your car.

Don't put the old plates back on, the US and CAN border will check and that is trouble you don't want or explain.
Don't fudge or drive the expired permit either... it is a risk not worth taking, you can end up with 2 tickets and having to tow the car back.

You may want to inquire to MTO in Ottawa and ask them for a 10 trip permit.
Explain what you are trying to do and maybe they can suggest something.

Oh' don't forget to call you auto Insurance to get coverage before you go and pick up your car.

[michelb]

... I know the warranty wont be valid here but it would on the states so worst comes to worst i will take the drive there for a maintenance ...

I would assume that you have no warranty at all on a Honda (including returning to the US). If you export a US vehicle to Canada.

[michelb]

Call and ask the Vermont DMV office if you can obtain a 10day temp permit to export your car.
...

You may want to inquire to MTO in Ottawa and ask them for a 10 trip permit.
Explain what you are trying to do and maybe they can suggest something.

...

Unfortunately, the MTO in Ottawa will probably not be able to help you. On their website it clearly says that you can only get a trip permit within 6 days of the purchase date (I recently tried to get one 2 weeks after the purchase (time it took to arrange shipping and have the vehicle shipped from Florida to NY and they very clear that there was no way I could get an Ontario trip permit).

Check with Vermont to see if they'll get you one (I've heard someone say they were able to get on from NYS for a vehicle they got in Florida so that might be an option (although when I emailed them, they told me they only issue temp permits to vehicles currently registered in NYS or vehicles that are going to be registered in NYS ...)

Otherwise, you're only legal option is probably to have it towed (if you know someone with a full-size pickup, you can rent a tow dolly or flat-bed trailer).

[Monsieurmaggot]

There are some logical reasons behind to use an import broker:
- It may not be easy to find a US dealer to sell a new car to Canadians
- Even if a US dealer is found, it may not sell at a good price, i.e. they sell at MSRP only to Canadians. (We pass the savings to our customers and can show them the US dealer invoice.)
- Most US dealers will require the vehicle to register and title in US first. Unless you have friends or relatives living in a low tax state, the tax paid can be sufficient to pay the import broker (e.g. Buffalo tax here is 8.75%)
- Besides US state tax, there are additional cost and time involved:
1. airplane ticket to the dealership (plus transportation cost from home to airport in Canada, and transportation cost from US airport to dealership)
2. hotels and accommodations (at the dealership location the night before, as well as along the way back to Canada)
3. the gas and long hours to drive the vehicle back
4. the mileage added onto the brand new vehicle
5. the time off taken from work (1 or 2 days at least) to pick up the vehicle. This is your salary.
- You can give all the import worries and frustrations to the import broker

There are additional advantages dealing with a CANADIAN import broker:
1. Ability to deal in person and meet the company in the office face to face.
2. Only need to pay deposit upfront, with balance due upon pick up of vehicle
3. We have leasing and financing options for our customers

Then again you can do it yourself and save thousands more!

I've received a lot of email from people who've been approached by "fly by night" up and coming companies looking to make a quick buck.

There are at least a dozen sites on the Internet now that offer to walk you through the process for little or no money. By the way, anyone on those site plagiarizing what I wrote (along with some help of other RFDers) or using my documentation photos from carburner.com will end up paying me a nice princely sum. Most of the information on those sites was gathered here or at cars101.com or carburner.com

There are some reputable brokers don't get me wrong but anyone without any track record should be avoided at all costs.

I've heard people are charged for importation fees, letters (what letters aside from the recall letter from the manufacturer?) and my personal favourite: processing fees! FORM1 can be filled in my my young daughter.

Sure you can charge a couple of hundred buck for assistance and maybe I will pay for transportation. But some folks are being asked for $2-3000 markup PLUS the legit. fees.

I too offer a brokerage service. It's FREE and it's called redflagdeals.com.

Offering leasing and purchase options are great. But are they at the same rate I can get a line of credit (say something like 6-7%?)?

As far as paying MSRP, aside from the Prius, I don't know anyone paying MSRP in the US for cars. Most pay invoice or in my case $1800 below invoice.

[da_hool]

Any tips on getting a 2008 Subaru Impreza WRX imported to Vancouver? Thanks!

[ullyeus]

wow...nearly 15,000 replies...

[mdbuffy]

Consider putting pressure on the Federal Government by adding your name to the petition at http://www.petittiononline.com/lesscash (http://www.petitiononline.com/lesscash)

[angel_wing0]

Consider putting pressure on the Federal Government by adding your name to the petition at http://www.petittiononline.com/lesscash (http://www.petitiononline.com/lesscash)

online petitions NEVER work.

[angel_wing0]

i think we need to start a list of dealers who are willing to sell to canadians, that is like 50% of the road there. Can the op do that pls?

[zircon]

I would assume that you have no warranty at all on a Honda (including returning to the US). If you export a US vehicle to Canada.

Correct. Honda/Acura cancels the warranty on both sides of the border when you export the vehicle. You are on your own. CR-V has excellent quality, so you are unlikely to experience significant expense, but it could happen. Honda/Acura sucks. Great cars, terrible company.

[Genia11]

That is a great idea in principle. But the moment their names are published on a public forum like this, they will face penalties from the manufactures and will likely stop selling to Canadians.

i think we need to start a list of dealers who are willing to sell to canadians, that is like 50% of the road there. Can the op do that pls?

[mdbuffy]

online petitions NEVER work.

Lie down and let the Federal Government have policies that continue to disadvantage us......is a typical Canadian attitude that results in our being in the mess we are in.

Even if you don't believe it, please add you support.

The regs need to be harmonized. Any other efforts are not going to result in a change that the manufacturers will not have the ability to exploit.

If you are a lobbyist for the auto manufacturers, I guess you are just doing your job screwing Canadian car buyers.

[ottofly]

Correct. Honda/Acura cancels the warranty on both sides of the border when you export the vehicle. You are on your own. CR-V has excellent quality, so you are unlikely to experience significant expense, but it could happen. Honda/Acura sucks. Great cars, terrible company.

I would be weary of buying any car with no warranty on either side of the border. I'm trying to pull the trigger on a new S2000 CR, but just can't proceed without a full warranty, especially with the very public 3rd gear problems on their 6 speed gearbox found in Civic Si's/Accords/S2000. Even with a warranty owners are being accused of "abusing" the transmission. Is it even legal to be able to sell a brand new car and void the warranty simply for taking it across the border?

Funny though, when the CDN dollars was in the 60 cent range 4 years ago, Honda was not voiding any warranty's when Amercian buyers were exporting Canadian cars. It's eating away at me and it bothers me to no end that within the next few months I'll be in the market for a new car and be so close to an S2000CR but yet so far.

And you're right about Honda. Good cars but customer service is awful. I've owned 3, and whenever I brought my car for ANY warranty work, I was literally put on trial by the service manager and once even by the regional manager. My LCD display on my 2003 Accord stopped working 1200km after my warranty expired and they refused to cover any of the almost 2000 dollar cost, telling me I was more then welcome to try my luck in court. Had to sell the car at a massive discount rather then fix it. Terrible awful sevice. Just be careful, anything can breakdown and repairs are not cheap.

ottofly

[angel_wing0]

Lie down and let the Federal Government have policies that continue to disadvantage us......is a typical Canadian attitude that results in our being in the mess we are in.

Even if you don't believe it, please add you support.

The regs need to be harmonized. Any other efforts are not going to result in a change that the manufacturers will not have the ability to exploit.

If you are a lobbyist for the auto manufacturers, I guess you are just doing your job screwing Canadian car buyers.

dont get me wrong, i support what u are doing, but the method of doing it is wrong. Online petitions NEVER work. Try something else...like putting posters around downtown, queens park or something.

[angel_wing0]

That is a great idea in principle. But the moment their names are published on a public forum like this, they will face penalties from the manufactures and will likely stop selling to Canadians.

maybe we should make a list in irc or something...then they wont be able to see it :D

[scrolllock]

dont get me wrong, i support what u are doing, but the method of doing it is wrong. Online petitions NEVER work. Try something else...like putting posters around downtown, queens park or something.

We support Mr. Buffy's petition, we have one of our own, that is quite similiar, it has been signed by over 3000 supporters all across Canada.

At http://www.carswithoutborders.com/about/get-involved/key-govt-contact-list/
we also have a list key Govt contacts names,email addresses and phone numbers.

We would highly recommend the use of the internet to encourage change. Thousands of Canadians, calling Cannon's office or emailing him is very effective.

At this time we are pushing to have the bumper regulations passed, so that Canadian standards are Harmonized with Europe and the U.S. We need to encourage Canadians to email, write or call the Treasury Board members and Marc Gregoire - Transport Canada Deputy Minister in charge of the regulation change. 613-990-3838.

Transport Canada needs to change and be more receptive to the needs of normal hard working Canadians, rather than pandering to Car Companies...

Canadians need to speak up! We have all the tools you need to do so at www.carswithoutborders.com

[KAN]

I have heard that you can walk into a canadian honda or subaru dealer and ask for the same price as in the US. provided you pay cash.

This has been confirmed by 1 customer at one honda dealer in Quebec. Even if this is not entirely true IHMO it is worth the try. And if enough people try it, that just might put the idea in the dealers' ears.

Like any offer/supply system, if everybody ask for the same thing, dealers will HAVE to adjust their offers.

Good luck.

[twotonetommy]

I doubt very much that Honda Canada could even come close to matching what dealers in the US are offering.

Example: I could get a new 2008 Accord EX-L 4cyl auto for around $24,000 including destination. In Canada, the retail price is around $32,000 - dealer incentive right now is $2000 plue the markup is approx $1500. Subtracting all of that, the price is around $28500. Any lower and the dealer would start loosing money. Unless Honda offers the dealers some deep discount, its better to buy in the US.

Just my two cents.

[ottofly]

I have heard that you can walk into a canadian honda or subaru dealer and ask for the same price as in the US. provided you pay cash.

This has been confirmed by 1 customer at one honda dealer in Quebec. Even if this is not entirely true IHMO it is worth the try. And if enough people try it, that just might put the idea in the dealers' ears.

Like any offer/supply system, if everybody ask for the same thing, dealers will HAVE to adjust their offers.

Good luck.


I offered 35,000 for a used 2007 S2000 with 5000km on it, a much higher price then a similar US car just to guage the reaction and my offer was promptly laughed at by the salesperson as "grossly inadequate", and that with summer just around the corner the car would "sell quickly". A quick glance on the web, the car is still sitting on the showroom floor.

I then went to another dealer for a 2008 Accord Coupe. Again, I got the "it doesnt work like that in Canada" lecture and was promptly shown a few recent bills of sale for 2008 Accord coupes, including one customer who financed an EX-L 6 speed fitted with 18 inch wheels and a body kit. Final price, 44,600. I almost fainted. He also showed me a couple of 2008 Civic LX with sunroofs that he sold for 25,800 tax incl. He says they got a "deal"

No doubt, with people paying these outrageous prices, we got a looooong way to go to ever get fair pricing here. The battle continues.

[HP_John]

I have heard that you can walk into a canadian honda or subaru dealer and ask for the same price as in the US. provided you pay cash.

This has been confirmed by 1 customer at one honda dealer in Quebec. Even if this is not entirely true IHMO it is worth the try. And if enough people try it, that just might put the idea in the dealers' ears.

Like any offer/supply system, if everybody ask for the same thing, dealers will HAVE to adjust their offers.

Good luck.

If you walk into a Cdn Honda or Subaru dealer & ask for the same price as the US, & tell them you're paying cash, you'll get laughed at. Seriously, it's not going to happen.

The dealers actually do know they have a huge problem, but corporate won't listen. Dealers do not really set prices in the sense that they must pay corporate what corporate is asking for, per car. If corporate sells them a car for $45 K, they gotta sell it for more to make profit. Corporate sells that same car to a US dealer for $10 K less, the Cdn dealer just can't compete because their cost is still $45 K.

I'm not trying to paint Cdn dealers like the good guys, but that is the reality they face.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I played that pricing game when I bought my Subaru.

I was paying cash and offered a Canadian dealer $5000 ABOVE my US price just to see if they would bite.

I then went to the Subaru/BMW auto importer there on the Hwy403 in Oakville Ontario (you know who you are) and offered them the same.

Both refused.

The two dealers offered to eat the PDI if I paid cash (total price with taxes would have been close to $60,000 Cdn).

I offered a dealer $51,000++ Cdn. for a similarly equipped Canadian Subaru. I got my car for $29,000++. Go figure.

The importer told me they're already selling the Subaru for $10,000 less than in Canada and couldn't keep them on the lot.

So the answer again: No. Too many idiots (maybe that's a bit harsh: I will say sheep instead) are still buying in Canada.

[zircon]

I played that pricing game when I bought my Subaru.

I was paying cash and offered a Canadian dealer $5000 ABOVE my US price just to see if they would bite.

I then went to the Subaru/BMW auto importer there on the Hwy403 in Oakville Ontario (you know who you are) and offered them the same.

Both refused.

The two dealers offered to eat the PDI if I paid cash (total price with taxes would have been close to $60,000 Cdn).

I offered a dealer $51,000++ Cdn. for a similarly equipped Canadian Subaru. I got my car for $29,000++. Go figure.

The importer told me they're already selling the Subaru for $10,000 less than in Canada and couldn't keep them on the lot.

So the answer again: No. Too many idiots (maybe that's a bit harsh: I will say sheep instead) are still buying in Canada.

I think you were more than fair to these guys. That was quite a US premium you were offering. My neighbour is a Honda dealer and he agrees we're getting screwed. He tells people to write corporate. Of course, it doers no good so long as morons are willing to dispense with 44K for a loaded accord coupe. Crazy. Nice car, but crazy. So, people in Alta, Sask, and BC, cut it out. Stop buying.

Update on a acura tsx I almost bought from a Honda dealer in MN. I asked him from the get go if the car had ever been damaged. Answer was always no. For 26,200 I was going to get a '08 with nav, auto, loaded, with 100 miles (>40K MSRP here). Well, when we were finalizing the deal he mentioned that there may have been a little shipping damage to the roof. I almost lost it as I had asked him 4-5 times the same question. I was pleasant but told him where to go. Twas not impressed he search continues. I have a 04 tsx now, love it, and did not like the many reviews of the redesigned 09 steering. However, I may now wait till the diesel version comes out.

[jeeps17]

Hello everyone,

Well it's been a long time coming but my 2008 Sienna Limited is supposed to arrive in Montreal this coming monday or tuesday, barring any issues with the transport company.

For anyone who had vehicles delivered on trucks (relatively long haul, open flat bed trucks - my van originated in Bethesda Maryland), any tips on what to look for when they drop off the vehicle?

Obviously seeing the vehicle in operation (coming off the truck), confirmation of the VIN# and careful visual inspection of the outside and inside of the vehicle are a given, including manuals / keys.

Anything else I should look for before signing off on the delivery?

Should I take pictures of the vehicle prior to signing anything?

Fingers crossed...

Thanks in advance,

Jeeps

[diigii]

Hello boys!!!! It's been months since I last posted. I'm enjoying my US-bought Altima too much.

Monsieurmaggot, how have you been? I'm sure you're enjoying your Outback LL Bean.

I just couldn't resist saying my piece about walking into a "Canadian dealer and will give you US pricing if paying cash."

I was also in that situation last July 2007 when I walked inside three Nissan dealerships in the Scarborough area. Two dealerships said sarcastically that they will deal with me, but expect their sales manager to override their decisions, even if paying by cash. Then, they asked me where I got my pricing. I showed them the Edmunds invoice pricing and they said they can't beat it, even if paying with cash. The third dealer didn't even say hello to me even if I was in the showroom for 20 mins roaming around and waiting for a salesperson to assist me. The sales manager obviously saw me because his office was right beside the showroom. But no! He was seated comfortably in his office. So I walked out of there, never to return. Then I learned about Monsieurmaggot's RFD thread. After reading all 219 pages at that time, I was fully informed of the whole import process. I called a few Buffalo-area Nissan dealerships but some of them either "couldn't sell to Canadians" or was asking MSRP saying it's still a deal compared to buying in Canada. Then I was told to search my car in Maryland. The Maryland dealer was more than glad to get my business and even promised to have all necessary documents ready for the export-import process to go smoothly. I even got a free rental while I waited for my bank draft to clear (the only snag I experienced).

I understand dealers are powerless to beat US prices because of their corporate HQ's pricing policies. But there are dealers who are just arrogant, disrespectful, deceitful and rude.

I'd rather take my business to where it's welcome with geniune enthusiasm and respect. I never regret buying in the US. I saved lots and I'm keeping my money I saved. It's my money and I am the BOSS :cheesygri Not the dealer. :twisted:

[Monky]

I have heard that you can walk into a canadian honda or subaru dealer and ask for the same price as in the US. provided you pay cash.

This has been confirmed by 1 customer at one honda dealer in Quebec. Even if this is not entirely true IHMO it is worth the try. And if enough people try it, that just might put the idea in the dealers' ears.

Like any offer/supply system, if everybody ask for the same thing, dealers will HAVE to adjust their offers.

Good luck.


Really, was it your friend that managed to get US pricing from Honda in Canada? I had zero luck for my Odyssey and ended up going South. See the link re 1st qtr Honda sales. I doubt they will lower prices unless things are horrible in the 2nd quarter. But maybe they are horrible in the 2nd qtr and that's why your friend received the awesome price?

http://ca.autos.yahoo.com/s/01042008/30/link-finance-news-honda-canada-sets-1st-quarter-sales-record.html?p=4

[cinqhoda]

I would be weary of buying any car with no warranty on either side of the border. I'm trying to pull the trigger on a new S2000 CR, but just can't proceed without a full warranty, especially with the very public 3rd gear problems on their 6 speed gearbox found in Civic Si's/Accords/S2000. Even with a warranty owners are being accused of "abusing" the transmission. Is it even legal to be able to sell a brand new car and void the warranty simply for taking it across the border?

Funny though, when the CDN dollars was in the 60 cent range 4 years ago, Honda was not voiding any warranty's when Amercian buyers were exporting Canadian cars. It's eating away at me and it bothers me to no end that within the next few months I'll be in the market for a new car and be so close to an S2000CR but yet so far.

And you're right about Honda. Good cars but customer service is awful. I've owned 3, and whenever I brought my car for ANY warranty work, I was literally put on trial by the service manager and once even by the regional manager. My LCD display on my 2003 Accord stopped working 1200km after my warranty expired and they refused to cover any of the almost 2000 dollar cost, telling me I was more then welcome to try my luck in court. Had to sell the car at a massive discount rather then fix it. Terrible awful sevice. Just be careful, anything can breakdown and repairs are not cheap.

ottofly

Let me get this straight:
1. You've owned three Honda's and received awful, arrogant customer service during the ownership of all three.
2. You took a heavy loss on the resale due to a display that should last the life of the vehicle.
3. You're looking to buy another Honda:confused:

I'm going to go out on a limb here... This is my theory*: The arrogance you experienced at Honda's dealerships and the arrogance of Honda's "import" warranty policies are due to the fact that Honda has tainted Canada's food supply with mind controlling nano-bots that make us pay ridiculous amounts for their widgets and smile as we put up with their s**t. The only known antidote is the radiation emitted from reading this thread. I promise you, the more you read this thread, the less you will want to buy another Honda (at least in Canada).


*Not an actual theory

[usacars2canada]

Hello everyone,

Well it's been a long time coming but my 2008 Sienna Limited is supposed to arrive in Montreal this coming monday or tuesday, barring any issues with the transport company.

For anyone who had vehicles delivered on trucks (relatively long haul, open flat bed trucks - my van originated in Bethesda Maryland), any tips on what to look for when they drop off the vehicle?

Obviously seeing the vehicle in operation (coming off the truck), confirmation of the VIN# and careful visual inspection of the outside and inside of the vehicle are a given, including manuals / keys.

Anything else I should look for before signing off on the delivery?

Should I take pictures of the vehicle prior to signing anything?

Fingers crossed...

Thanks in advance,

Jeeps

Also start the engine and check the mileage.

More importantly, you should get back the Form 1, Title (or Certificate of Origin), vehicle invoice, and the B3 invoice from them. Make sure that the VIN in the Form 1 is correct, and is stamped by Canadian custom on every page. An incorrectly filled or unstamped Form 1 will cause you to drive the vehicle back to the Canadian custom.

[jeeps17]

Also start the engine and check the mileage.

More importantly, you should get back the Form 1, Title (or Certificate of Origin), vehicle invoice, and the B3 invoice from them. Make sure that the VIN in the Form 1 is correct, and is stamped by Canadian custom on every page. An incorrectly filled or unstamped Form 1 will cause you to drive the vehicle back to the Canadian custom.

Thanks!

I'll add that to the list.

Your comments are much appreciated!

Jeeps

[scrolllock]

I think you were more than fair to these guys. That was quite a US premium you were offering. My neighbour is a Honda dealer and he agrees we're getting screwed. He tells people to write corporate. Of course, it doers no good so long as morons are willing to dispense with 44K for a loaded accord coupe. Crazy. Nice car, but crazy. So, people in Alta, Sask, and BC, cut it out. Stop buying.

Update on a acura tsx I almost bought from a Honda dealer in MN. I asked him from the get go if the car had ever been damaged. Answer was always no. For 26,200 I was going to get a '08 with nav, auto, loaded, with 100 miles (>40K MSRP here). Well, when we were finalizing the deal he mentioned that there may have been a little shipping damage to the roof. I almost lost it as I had asked him 4-5 times the same question. I was pleasant but told him where to go. Twas not impressed he search continues. I have a 04 tsx now, love it, and did not like the many reviews of the redesigned 09 steering. However, I may now wait till the diesel version comes out.

I have been at this for close to a year now, and I am completely puzzled how the Canadian public continues to pay up to 40% more for their cars...

and no one complains or protests.... all the official Canadian consumer groups... APA...CAA etc... do nothing and have no impact on introducing change!

The Government does little and the Media doesn't really want to tell the real story...

Even the Canadian Importers seem to like it the way it is now... they make money off of rich Doctors and Lawyers that want new BMW or Mercedes.

Nobody in this country gives a damn about the hard working Canadian Car consumer.... so it is time to be counted....

Go to www.carswithoutborders.com and sign the petition! Encourage your friends and relatives to sign. Get involved! Use the resources and tools provided to write your MP, your MPP, Transport Canada, The Prime Minister's Office... it is now time to stop being a push over!

[ottofly]

I have been at this for close to a year now, and I am completely puzzled how the Canadian public continues to pay up to 40% more for their cars...

and no one complains or protests.... all the official Canadian consumer groups... APA...CAA etc... do nothing and have no impact on introducing change!

The Government does little and the Media doesn't really want to tell the real story...

Even the Canadian Importers seem to like it the way it is now... they make money off of rich Doctors and Lawyers that want new BMW or Mercedes.

Nobody in this country gives a damn about the hard working Canadian Car consumer.... so it is time to be counted....

Go to www.carswithoutborders.com and sign the petition! Encourage your friends and relatives to sign. Get involved! Use the resources and tools provided to write your MP, your MPP, Transport Canada, The Prime Minister's Office... it is now time to stop being a push over!


It does boggle the mind at some of the premium prices Canadians are paying for cars, especially from the Japanese car cos. The reality is, according to 3 dealers I visited, is that less then 10% have the means to pay 100% of the purchase price in cash. One dealer said it's less then 5%, and told me with financing rates starting at 0%-1.9% on almost any car one would be "crazy" to pay in cash. Said he sees 1-2 buyers paying full cash per month. :|

I countered that if that was the case, why the hell would Honda go to such lengths to crush any consumer who wants to import a Honda like a bug id it it's less then 10% of car buyers? Shrugs his shoulders and says, "Why not ask them". :confused:

Frankly I'm baffled. I'm in the market for a new car, but refuse to pay these prices so right now, here I am sitting on my hands without a clue of what to do next. My next stop will probably be, gulp, the domestic manufacturers namely GM, as they seem to be the ones with the narrowest gaps in price, Corvette and certain trucks excluded. But even then, it'll be a hard sell, as this is not really what I want.

Kudos must go out to Mons. Maggot and all the others who started and contribute tirelessly to this thread and to www.carswithoutborders.com. It's an awesome service you guys are providing. Just started to look for a car and only found this thread recently. I'm still in the midst of going thorugh all the posts starting from #1. :)

[angel_wing0]

i cant seem to find a Honda dealer in the USA so far willing to sell new cars to canadians...New York, Ohio, Texas, Minny, Michigan...anyone knows a state that is willing to sell new cars to us?

[jed]

Hello everyone,

Well it's been a long time coming but my 2008 Sienna Limited is supposed to arrive in Montreal this coming monday or tuesday, barring any issues with the transport company.

For anyone who had vehicles delivered on trucks (relatively long haul, open flat bed trucks - my van originated in Bethesda Maryland), any tips on what to look for when they drop off the vehicle?

Obviously seeing the vehicle in operation (coming off the truck), confirmation of the VIN# and careful visual inspection of the outside and inside of the vehicle are a given, including manuals / keys.

Anything else I should look for before signing off on the delivery?

Should I take pictures of the vehicle prior to signing anything?

Fingers crossed...

Thanks in advance,

Jeeps

Look for your accessories - 2 sets of keys, floor mats, owners manual, whatever the vehicle is supposed to have.

Find out what the policy is for hidden damage so you can get it up on a hoist to have a look underneath.

Check the wheels that they haven't been marred. Check the glass that it didn't get a nick on it along the way. A good careful inspection - had to do it many times checking in new ones coming in to the dealership.

[perfectg]

I just bought my parents and 09 Toyota Corolla LE. Laugh all you want, but they love the corolla. After shipping. tax and fees it came out to 21k cnd. The comparable at the time was the local dealers still pushing the 08 model clearances for the same price.

Yes it worked out to less than $2500 savings, but I got the colour, model and options I wanted for less.

Now the dealer is working on getting me my Lexus ISF.

[HP_John]

While I myself imported, IMO it's not "more than fair" to the dealer to expect them to sell at or near US prices. A Cdn Subaru dealer doesn't pay the same as a US dealer does, for the exact same car. Of course Cdn prices certainly aren't fair to Cdns, but you cannot realistically expect to offer a Cdn dealer that much less than what they themselves had to pay Subaru corporate for the car.

We should expect Cdn dealers to sell for at or at least near US prices if they actually paid nearly the same as US dealers did for the exact same car, but unfortunately corporate sells to them much more expensively than they do to their US dealers.

[inspire]

We should expect Cdn dealers to sell for at or at least near US prices if they actually paid nearly the same as US dealers did for the exact same car, but unfortunately corporate sells to them much more expensively than they do to their US dealers.

I think that's what people are trying to say ... if you pressure the dealers to sell at competitive pricing to the US (and continue to buy cars in the US / not buy a new car at all) ... the dealers will pressure corporate to bring prices down.

Using Adam Smith's principles ... supply and demand with competitive forces in a true 'free' market system. But I think the numerous barriers for trade and our passive Canadian society limits how far we can truly bring change to our purchase mentality.

- inspire (bringer of 2 cars from the US) :)

[kergoz]

I have been looking for over a month now for a dealer in the USA that will sell new to Canadians. I have found 2 but they wont budge from MSRP..when I add the exchange rate/shipping/RIV the savings are not that spectacular for all the risk involved. If anyone knows of a dealer in the USA who would sell at or near invoice please PM me. I dont want any messages from import brokers please.

[trenton1776]

I'm almost all set to import my Sienna. Two questions:

1 - The vehicle is being shipped from Florida to the Queenston Lewiston border from where I'll drive it across. Where exactly should I have the driver drop off the vehicle? Has anyone done this before?

2 - I know the US side is only open 8-4 m-f. What about on Canadian holidays such as July 1st? I assume they're open and that Canadian side as well. What about US holidays (July 4th)?

Thanks.

[ottofly]

I have been looking for over a month now for a dealer in the USA that will sell new to Canadians. I have found 2 but they wont budge from MSRP..when I add the exchange rate/shipping/RIV the savings are not that spectacular for all the risk involved. If anyone knows of a dealer in the USA who would sell at or near invoice please PM me. I dont want any messages from import brokers please.

From reading the first posts here from last year, no question it appears the whole process is getting tougher presently. >:(

Emailing or calling dealers will usually result in a "No, we don't sell new to Canadians" since they have no way of really knowing who you are. I've sent emails to Honda dealers and the answer was usually "no". A couple of dealers didn't respond at all.

A friend of mine told me he found a Honda dealer in NH that was willing to sell him an S2000, but with no warranty, though he made a personal stop there on his way to Boston. I think your best bet is to make a list of dealers, in Vermont, NH, NY, RI, and go on a nice road trip this Canada Day. I think if you show up in person you'll probably get a more willing dealer. Over an email or phone, you could be Honda Japan testing them for all they know.

[angel_wing0]

I just bought my parents and 09 Toyota Corolla LE. Laugh all you want, but they love the corolla. After shipping. tax and fees it came out to 21k cnd. The comparable at the time was the local dealers still pushing the 08 model clearances for the same price.

Yes it worked out to less than $2500 savings, but I got the colour, model and options I wanted for less.

Now the dealer is working on getting me my Lexus ISF.


can u tell us which state you bought it from please?

[KAN]

Really, was it your friend that managed to get US pricing from Honda in Canada? I had zero luck for my Odyssey and ended up going South. See the link re 1st qtr Honda sales. I doubt they will lower prices unless things are horrible in the 2nd quarter. But maybe they are horrible in the 2nd qtr and that's why your friend received the awesome price?

http://ca.autos.yahoo.com/s/01042008/30/link-finance-news-honda-canada-sets-1st-quarter-sales-record.html?p=4

This is a coworker of mine. I could not believe what she told me either. But she swear that after going to the auto show, she was told to walk in the dealership and ask. she did it and they agreed to that price. I see there are lots of response to my post, obviously a lot of you (ALL ?) did not get that kind of offer...

There are still lots of stupid/anxious/lazy/stubborn people willing to pay Canadian prices...

BTW, check out appliances prices. We are getting gouged too. I was looking for a new fridge: Canada : 2700$
US: 1400$.
Anybody wants to start an import/export business ?

[angel_wing0]

This is a coworker of mine. I could not believe what she told me either. But she swear that after going to the auto show, she was told to walk in the dealership and ask. she did it and they agreed to that price. I see there are lots of response to my post, obviously a lot of you (ALL ?) did not get that kind of offer...

There are still lots of stupid/anxious/lazy/stubborn people willing to pay Canadian prices...

well there are reasons besides those, they dont care cuz they have DEEP (and i mean very very deep) pockets, or because they cant afford it (lease/finance rates here are much lower than bank loans).

[Nitrate]

I'm almost all set to import my Sienna. Two questions:

1 - The vehicle is being shipped from Florida to the Queenston Lewiston border from where I'll drive it across. Where exactly should I have the driver drop off the vehicle? Has anyone done this before?

2 - I know the US side is only open 8-4 m-f. What about on Canadian holidays such as July 1st? I assume they're open and that Canadian side as well. What about US holidays (July 4th)?

Thanks.
1 - Ask your shipping company. Unless they're completely new to the auto-transport business, they must have a couple of holding yards they use at the drop-off border towns. You pay the holding yard a minimal fee for drop-off and other fees (like holding on to your keys, etc.) plus an amount per day your vehicle sits in their lot. If your trucker is clueless, then it's most likely up to you to arrange a holding yard. Last alternative, you plan to meet the trucker somewhere near the border.

2 - When I did mine, I phoned the Pacific Crossing and was told that Canada Customs operates 24/7 every day including holidays. But I would verify that against the crossing you plan to use.

[Nitrate]

I have been looking for over a month now for a dealer in the USA that will sell new to Canadians. I have found 2 but they wont budge from MSRP..when I add the exchange rate/shipping/RIV the savings are not that spectacular for all the risk involved. If anyone knows of a dealer in the USA who would sell at or near invoice please PM me. I dont want any messages from import brokers please.
Which Toyota model are you looking to buy? I've posted here before that my friend/co-worker bought a Sienna from a Bellingham dealer at US MSRP and he still saved close to $8000 CAD. (But he wasn't too happy that about a month later, I bought mine directly from a US broker and beat his savings by over $2500 CAD -- I saved $10,600 CAD.)

So even at US MSRP, there's savings to be had (that's how bad we're getting gouged up here) ... but the amount of savings depends on which Toyota model you're getting.

[wh00t]

Does anyone know if the process can be simplified through the use of an American friend? Can they buy and transfer to me?

[ottofly]

Does anyone know if the process can be simplified through the use of an American friend? Can they buy and transfer to me?


Not very effecient since your American friend would be responsible for the state sales tax when he makes the purchase I believe.

[Analyst]

I'm almost all set to import my Sienna. Two questions:

1 - The vehicle is being shipped from Florida to the Queenston Lewiston border from where I'll drive it across. Where exactly should I have the driver drop off the vehicle? Has anyone done this before?

2 - I know the US side is only open 8-4 m-f. What about on Canadian holidays such as July 1st? I assume they're open and that Canadian side as well. What about US holidays (July 4th)?

Thanks.

I still don't understand why people don't have the shipping company deliver it to their door ? When I imported mine, I paid the money for shipping, they arranged for a customs broker, I paid the broker the duties, taxes and their fee to do all the paper work, the vehicle arrived on my door step a couple of weeks later, no hassle at all! About $1800US from Massechusettes to Alberta and my friend brought one from Florida to BC. It may be slightly more now with the price of gas, but it was hassle free.

[hhhm3]

I still don't understand why people don't have the shipping company deliver it to their door ? When I imported mine, I paid the money for shipping, they arranged for a customs broker, I paid the broker the duties, taxes and their fee to do all the paper work, the vehicle arrived on my door step a couple of weeks later, no hassle at all! About $1800US from Massechusettes to Alberta and my friend brought one from Florida to BC. It may be slightly more now with the price of gas, but it was hassle free.

Or have the shipper deliver the vehicle to your local customs office warehouse in your city (usually near airport) and you just go there to clear it by paying the GST/Duty/RIV/excite taxes etc...
This way you don't need a broker, save about $800 and they took care of the paperwork like faxing/submitting the Title to US customs.
Cost to ship from Illinois state, to Ottawa was about $1095. It is was simple as well.

[trenton1776]

I still don't understand why people don't have the shipping company deliver it to their door ? When I imported mine, I paid the money for shipping, they arranged for a customs broker, I paid the broker the duties, taxes and their fee to do all the paper work, the vehicle arrived on my door step a couple of weeks later, no hassle at all! About $1800US from Massechusettes to Alberta and my friend brought one from Florida to BC. It may be slightly more now with the price of gas, but it was hassle free.

Because I priced it at $1500 more to ship to my door in Toronto. Plus, its not a big deal for me to go to Buffalo for the day.

I didn't know about that second option to ship to a customs location, I'll look into it.

[Nitrate]

I still don't understand why people don't have the shipping company deliver it to their door ? When I imported mine, I paid the money for shipping, they arranged for a customs broker, I paid the broker the duties, taxes and their fee to do all the paper work, the vehicle arrived on my door step a couple of weeks later, no hassle at all! About $1800US from Massechusettes to Alberta and my friend brought one from Florida to BC. It may be slightly more now with the price of gas, but it was hassle free.
It's all about cost, in my case. If I had my vehicle shipped from Seattle right to my door, it would have cost me $1500 shipping. As it turned out, I only paid $250 to have it shipped from Seattle to a border town, Blaine WA. I lined up at the border at 9 am and was home doing my RIV Form 2 before 12 noon. That includes getting temp permit and picking up the vehicle from the holding yard.

That's how easy it is to import a vehicle yourself. The only "hassle" I see is you live far enough from the border that driving down yourself would be too costly, both in time and money.

I don't like paying for something if the cost of having someone do it for me far outweighs the simplicity of the task itself. Don't pay extra for a customs broker! Have the vehicle shipped to a border town, and import it yourself.

[nornet]

I still don't understand why people don't have the shipping company deliver it to their door ? When I imported mine, I paid the money for shipping, they arranged for a customs broker, I paid the broker the duties, taxes and their fee to do all the paper work, the vehicle arrived on my door step a couple of weeks later, no hassle at all! About $1800US from Massechusettes to Alberta and my friend brought one from Florida to BC. It may be slightly more now with the price of gas, but it was hassle free.

I know that some shippers are adding a 25% fuel surcharge these days.

[icansteve]

Or have the shipper deliver the vehicle to your local customs office warehouse in your city (usually near airport) and you just go there to clear it by paying the GST/Duty/RIV/excite taxes etc...
This way you don't need a broker, save about $800 and they took care of the paperwork like faxing/submitting the Title to US customs.
Cost to ship from Illinois state, to Ottawa was about $1095. It is was simple as well.


That's good idea.
Just a quick question.

Can the shipper do all process at the US customs and get the form 1, and deliever to the local customs?
After that the only thing I have to do is the process at the Canadian end?

[shopper-X]

That's good idea.
Just a quick question.

Can the shipper do all process at the US customs and get the form 1, and deliever to the local customs?
After that the only thing I have to do is the process at the Canadian end?

You can use a Customs Brokerage company like A&A for about $372.20 over the actual cost.

Check out www.CarBurner.com for more information.

Using an Import (Customs) Broker (http://www.carburner.com/index.php?title=Using_an_Import_%28Customs%29_Brok er)

Shipping your Car (http://www.carburner.com/index.php?title=Shipping_your_Car)

[Analyst]

Or have the shipper deliver the vehicle to your local customs office warehouse in your city (usually near airport) and you just go there to clear it by paying the GST/Duty/RIV/excite taxes etc...
This way you don't need a broker, save about $800 and they took care of the paperwork like faxing/submitting the Title to US customs.
Cost to ship from Illinois state, to Ottawa was about $1095. It is was simple as well.

Not sure what kind of broker you used, but mine was $179. If you are really close to your state of origin, but mine was on the east coast, so definitely, it was a lot better.

[Nitrate]

This is a disclaimer of sorts.

A few of you may remember I've recommended Fleetrates in the past 3 months based on my successful transaction with them. In fact, I know a couple who have acted on my recommendation and have completed their own imports.

I have learned that the Fleetrates person I worked with (and have always referred people to) no longer works there. When RFD members PM'ed me inquiring about this US-based broker, I have always referred them to this person because based on my experience, he was well-versed in the Canadian import requirements. I am confident that Fleetrates is still a viable option for your import needs. However, they cater largely to the American public and some of their agents may not be familiar with the fine details of the Canadian import processes. I wouldn't be surprised if the person you get on the phone have not exported a single vehicle to Canada.

So if you call them on your own, please ask lots of questions and gauge your level of comfort with the person you're talking to. If the person's familiarity with exports is lacking, then you really must be on top and up-to-date with your own knowledge (research,etc.). One little screw-up can translate to weeks of delay.

[bkushner]

Just drove my 2007 Camry Hybrid from Montana to Calgary. 51 MPG. Nice. Anyone know how to disable the DRL switch? I used Hachey imports to help with the purchase,border and shipping.

[5abi]

i cant seem to find a Honda dealer in the USA so far willing to sell new cars to canadians...New York, Ohio, Texas, Minny, Michigan...anyone knows a state that is willing to sell new cars to us?

i found a few in california. $42k for top of line mdx or $29k for 08 tl with navi

[ChinchillaofWar]

I'm in kind of a unique situation, and I was hoping someone might be able to help.

I'm a US citizen (Maryland resident) married to a Canadian, and we're in the process of changing my residency to Canada. I have a few months before my visa comes, and I want to get a new car before I move - either a Toyota Corolla or Honda Civic.

Since Toyota and Honda wont sell to me after I'm a Canadian resident, I was wondering if it would be possible to buy the car right before I move.
I'll still be a US resident technically at that point, but I was hoping I could avoid state sales tax by explaining I would be exporting the car immediately.

Or would that cause the dealer to just treat me as a Canadian resident already and thus refuse to sell the car to me? Could I buy the car across the border in Pennsylvania as an out of state resident and avoid sales tax that way and then export the car?

If anyone has tried something like this before, or just has any advice in general, it would be appreciated. Thanks!

[Nitrate]

I'm in kind of a unique situation, and I was hoping someone might be able to help.

I'm a US citizen (Maryland resident) married to a Canadian, and we're in the process of changing my residency to Canada. I have a few months before my visa comes, and I want to get a new car before I move - either a Toyota Corolla or Honda Civic.

Since Toyota and Honda wont sell to me after I'm a Canadian resident, I was wondering if it would be possible to buy the car right before I move.
I'll still be a US resident technically at that point, but I was hoping I could avoid state sales tax by explaining I would be exporting the car immediately.

Or would that cause the dealer to just treat me as a Canadian resident already and thus refuse to sell the car to me? Could I buy the car across the border in Pennsylvania as an out of state resident and avoid sales tax that way and then export the car?

If anyone has tried something like this before, or just has any advice in general, it would be appreciated. Thanks!
One option is to get an online out-of-state US broker to buy the vehicle for you. You won't pay any state tax and you'll get an MCO instead of a title. With the MCO and a bill-of-sale, you should be set to move the vehicle. The difference is that you'll be haggling prices with the broker instead of with the dealer.

However, if you're holding on to the brand-new vehicle before you move to Canada, the state of Maryland may only allow a certain number of months after which you need to title it (and therefore, pay state tax). I remember New Jersey had a similar law.

One good news is that, "I think" you won't be paying any Canadian GST or PST when you drive the vehicle across because you can declare it as part of your "personal effects" as a new Canadian immigrant. I wrote "I think" because that was 16 years ago when I immigrated to Canada from the US and drove my Toyota across. 16 years is a long time, rules may have changed.

Good luck.

[shopper-X]

I'm in kind of a unique situation, and I was hoping someone might be able to help.

I'm a US citizen (Maryland resident) married to a Canadian, and we're in the process of changing my residency to Canada. I have a few months before my visa comes, and I want to get a new car before I move - either a Toyota Corolla or Honda Civic.

Since Toyota and Honda wont sell to me after I'm a Canadian resident, I was wondering if it would be possible to buy the car right before I move.
I'll still be a US resident technically at that point, but I was hoping I could avoid state sales tax by explaining I would be exporting the car immediately.

Or would that cause the dealer to just treat me as a Canadian resident already and thus refuse to sell the car to me? Could I buy the car across the border in Pennsylvania as an out of state resident and avoid sales tax that way and then export the car?

If anyone has tried something like this before, or just has any advice in general, it would be appreciated. Thanks!

Honda will cancel any warranty when you import the vehicle to Canada.
Toyota does honour the warranty.

[MMMM]

Originally Posted by ChinchillaofWar
I'm in kind of a unique situation, and I was hoping someone might be able to help.

I'm a US citizen (Maryland resident) married to a Canadian, and we're in the process of changing my residency to Canada. I have a few months before my visa comes, and I want to get a new car before I move - either a Toyota Corolla or Honda Civic.

Since Toyota and Honda wont sell to me after I'm a Canadian resident, I was wondering if it would be possible to buy the car right before I move.
I'll still be a US resident technically at that point, but I was hoping I could avoid state sales tax by explaining I would be exporting the car immediately.

Or would that cause the dealer to just treat me as a Canadian resident already and thus refuse to sell the car to me? Could I buy the car across the border in Pennsylvania as an out of state resident and avoid sales tax that way and then export the car?

If anyone has tried something like this before, or just has any advice in general, it would be appreciated. Thanks!

Originally Posted by shopper-X
Honda will cancel any warranty when you import the vehicle to Canada.
Toyota does honour the warranty.

As long as you register the Honda in the states you can then move the waarrenty to Canada. Honda and Honda Canada have a reciprocal agreement to honour warrenties as residents change countries. This does not apply to vehicles bought by Canadians and then imported.
Not to sure about the sales tax question though.

[Monky]

I'm in kind of a unique situation, and I was hoping someone might be able to help.

I'm a US citizen (Maryland resident) married to a Canadian, and we're in the process of changing my residency to Canada. I have a few months before my visa comes, and I want to get a new car before I move - either a Toyota Corolla or Honda Civic.

Since Toyota and Honda wont sell to me after I'm a Canadian resident, I was wondering if it would be possible to buy the car right before I move.
I'll still be a US resident technically at that point, but I was hoping I could avoid state sales tax by explaining I would be exporting the car immediately.

Or would that cause the dealer to just treat me as a Canadian resident already and thus refuse to sell the car to me? Could I buy the car across the border in Pennsylvania as an out of state resident and avoid sales tax that way and then export the car?

If anyone has tried something like this before, or just has any advice in general, it would be appreciated. Thanks!

Honda should warranty the car if you are a US resident purchasing the car and then moving to Canada. However, I believe if you sell it to a Canadian after you export it, the Canadian doesn't get the warranty.

The sales taxes should be based on your address as it is dependant on where the vehicle is used. I don't think it depends if you go to a tax free State or not to purchase the car. I know in Canada, I can buy a car from Alberta where there is no PST but once I register the car in BC, I pay BC PST.

Now saying all this, if you have an address in the States and if you tell them you are exporting, maybe you don't have to pay as you are not using it in the State you purchased the car.

[joejack]

One good news is that, "I think" you won't be paying any Canadian GST or PST when you drive the vehicle across because you can declare it as part of your "personal effects" as a new Canadian immigrant. I wrote "I think" because that was 16 years ago when I immigrated to Canada from the US and drove my Toyota across. 16 years is a long time, rules may have changed.



A bit of a caution here: if you buy a car or any thing large just prior to your move you will still be dinged with GST & PST. Read your immigration docs, it says something along the line that you can't just buy big stuff before you move in order to save on taxes. Also, didn't ask for list of your contents already? Any thing and everything must go on that list of contents and it has to be submitted several weeks prior to you entering Canada and if an item like the car you forgot to put on can be a problem. I would check with your lawyer and Canada Customs/immigration

Good luck.

[Rehan]

A bit of a caution here: if you buy a car or any thing large just prior to your move you will still be dinged with GST & PST. Read your immigration docs, it says something along the line that you can't just buy big stuff before you move in order to save on taxes. Good point. If I remember correctly, CRA is allowed to tax you on items purchased within 90 days of your move to Canada.

[hhhm3]

That's good idea.
Just a quick question.

Can the shipper will do all process at the US customs and get the form 1, and deliever to the local customs?
After that the only thing I have to do is the process at the Canadian end?

The shipper process the paperwork as in submitting/faxing in the Title to the US boarder for export. They will get the Title stamped for you and ship the vehicle to your local customs office in your city, bypassing the CND custom border crossing. When the vehicle arrives at your city's customs warehouse, you go there to pay all your fees/tax and get your form1. It is just like the CND custom border crossing process.


Not sure what kind of broker you used, but mine was $179. If you are really close to your state of origin, but mine was on the east coast, so definitely, it was a lot better.
The only reason to use a broker is that you want the transporter/shipper to handle the financing/process all the paperwork of importing for you.
Other wise you can just use their transport service and pay the fees/tax and form1 paperwork yourself.
Wow! 179 for transport and brokerage? That is a HOT Deal!

Anyways the, the transport company is
AA Transport 1-800-466-6935
Fully insured, with $0 deductible
brokerage service available at additional fee

[michelb]

Good point. If I remember correctly, CRA is allowed to tax you on items purchased within 90 days of your move to Canada.

I believe it's more than 90 days but more importantly, there's a $10k limit on the allowance - even if you've been in the US for years, you'll pay tax on the assessed value above $10k (i.e. if the car is worth $25k and you fall under returning Canadian, they'll charge you tax on $15k). More importantly, they'll charge you tax based on the Canadian wholesale value so you might end up paying more tax than just taxing the US purchase price.

[pulsar]

i found a few in california. $42k for top of line mdx or $29k for 08 tl with navi

Be wary about California. I believe they charge state tax even if the vehicle is for export.

[wh00t]

I noticed that some people are buying older-year models. But since a large part of "straight off the lot" depreciation is because of taxes that the next buyer won't pay in the event of resale.. does it make sense in this case to buy used if you're going to be paying GST and PST even for used cars?

[mangoman]

Looks like TC is going to allow US bumper standards! Let the barriers come down and the lower-priced cars roll in (and insurance co.'s try to increase rates with the argument of higher repair costs)!!

http://canadagazette.gc.ca/partII/2008/20080625/html/sor199-e.html

Also, a poorly timed article on MSN (although gives folks an idea of what cars were being denied entry):

http://en.autos.sympatico.msn.ca/guides_and_advice/article.aspx?cp-documentid=8147821

[Nitrate]

A bit of a caution here: if you buy a car or any thing large just prior to your move you will still be dinged with GST & PST. Read your immigration docs, it says something along the line that you can't just buy big stuff before you move in order to save on taxes. Also, didn't ask for list of your contents already? Any thing and everything must go on that list of contents and it has to be submitted several weeks prior to you entering Canada and if an item like the car you forgot to put on can be a problem. I would check with your lawyer and Canada Customs/immigration.Good point. If I remember correctly, CRA is allowed to tax you on items purchased within 90 days of your move to Canada.I believe it's more than 90 days but more importantly, there's a $10k limit on the allowance - even if you've been in the US for years, you'll pay tax on the assessed value above $10k (i.e. if the car is worth $25k and you fall under returning Canadian, they'll charge you tax on $15k). More importantly, they'll charge you tax based on the Canadian wholesale value so you might end up paying more tax than just taxing the US purchase price.
There is/was no rule about 90 days. I think the exact rule is that the personal effects being brought in with the immigrant must satisfy the "ownership, possession and use" guideline to avoid being taxed at the border. So for a new car being imported by an immigrant, it will fail the "use" guideline since it's not registered and is not titled in the state it came from. To have a title and avoid Canadian tax, then he'll have to pay state tax. To import it without a title, he'll have to pay Canadian tax. It's a Catch-22 of sorts.

I presented my lists of goods (2 lists - one of goods that accompanied me and another "to follow" list) just at the border. There is/was no requirement to present the lists "weeks prior to entering Canada".

The $10K limit (I think) applies only to returning Canadians, not on new immigrants. There certainly wasn't any limit imposed on me. And it's fair to note that it applies per item, not on the total value of all goods.

Isn't Internet great these days? When I immigrated, the WWW was just starting. And so I had to a lot of legwork going to the immigration offices, requesting pamphlets and booklets, staying up all night reading, and phoning all the authorities (RIV, TC, Canada Customs, US Customs, etc.) I can find on the subject.

[michelb]

There is/was no rule about 90 days. I think the exact rule is that the personal effects being brought in with the immigrant must satisfy the "ownership, possession and use" guideline to avoid being taxed at the border. So for a new car being imported by an immigrant, it will fail the "use" guideline since it's not registered and is not titled in the state it came from. To have a title and avoid Canadian tax, then he'll have to pay state tax. To import it without a title, he'll have to pay Canadian tax. It's a Catch-22 of sorts.

I presented my lists of goods (2 lists - one of goods that accompanied me and another "to follow" list) just at the border. There is/was no requirement to present the lists "weeks prior to entering Canada".

The $10K limit (I think) applies only to returning Canadians, not on new immigrants. There certainly wasn't any limit imposed on me. And it's fair to note that it applies per item, not on the total value of all goods.

Isn't Internet great these days? When I immigrated, the WWW was just starting. And so I had to a lot of legwork going to the immigration offices, requesting pamphlets and booklets, staying up all night reading, and phoning all the authorities (RIV, TC, Canada Customs, US Customs, etc.) I can find on the subject.

That's a good point about the different rules for 'immigrant' vs 'returning Canadian' (I was referring only to 'returning Canadian')

A few years ago, when I was working in the US I purchased a car in Aug or Sept (registered (and paid taxes) on it in Florida) and when I was returning to Canada the following May, I called the Canadian Border and they told me I would still have to pay GST&PST if I imported it). I have a friend who returned to Canada after several years in the US and got the $10k exemption but had to pay GST&PST on the balance (which wasn't much since I think the car might have been worth $12k) ...

[Rehan]

There is/was no rule about 90 days. I think the exact rule is that the personal effects being brought in with the immigrant must satisfy the "ownership, possession and use" guideline to avoid being taxed at the border. So for a new car being imported by an immigrant, it will fail the "use" guideline since it's not registered and is not titled in the state it came from. To have a title and avoid Canadian tax, then he'll have to pay state tax. To import it without a title, he'll have to pay Canadian tax. It's a Catch-22 of sorts. Yeah, maybe the 90 day thing was just a guideline (from a third party, not from the gov't). But at least in Manitoba, there's a restriction that the car must be purchased at least 30 days before the landing date -- http://www.gov.mb.ca/finance/taxation/bulletins/vehicle.pdf

As for what CBSA says, there's a good guide at http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/dm-md/d2/d2-2-1-eng.pdf ... The portion of it that's relevant to this thread:
14. However, in some cases, settlers wish to acquire goods
in other than their homeland (e.g., while they are en route to
Canada), and problems arise at the time of importation
when not all of the ownership, possession, and use
requirements have been met. As vehicles are frequently
involved, the following criteria have been developed to
assist settlers in such cases:

(a) The vehicle must have been owned and possessed
by the settler, in accordance with the conditions
described above, prior to his or her arrival in Canada;

(b) In addition to having owned and taken possession
of the vehicle abroad, the settler must have been legally
entitled to operate it in the free environment abroad
(e.g., have a valid driver’s licence) and have actually
driven it on the open roads abroad for some distance,
prior to the date on which the settler arrives in Canada.
(note that a test drive using dealer licence plates or a
drive only on the manufacturer’s or dealer’s premises
does not qualify);

(c) The vehicle must have been licensed and insured
(temporarily or otherwise), in the name of the settler,
for use in the free environment abroad during the
period it was used;

(d) Documentary evidence is produced at the time of
accounting to substantiate that the above requirements
have been met;

(e) All of the remaining requirements of tariff
item No. 9807.00.00 are complied with; and

(f) The vehicle is eligible for importation into Canada
in accordance with Transport Canada’s laws and
requirements.

[AMD]

Nice, I guess lots of "blocked" models will now be available to us!

Looks like TC is going to allow US bumper standards! Let the barriers come down and the lower-priced cars roll in (and insurance co.'s try to increase rates with the argument of higher repair costs)!!

http://canadagazette.gc.ca/partII/2008/20080625/html/sor199-e.html

Also, a poorly timed article on MSN (although gives folks an idea of what cars were being denied entry):

http://en.autos.sympatico.msn.ca/guides_and_advice/article.aspx?cp-documentid=8147821

[HELEU]

Looks like TC is going to allow US bumper standards! Let the barriers come down and the lower-priced cars roll in (and insurance co.'s try to increase rates with the argument of higher repair costs)!!

http://canadagazette.gc.ca/partII/2008/20080625/html/sor199-e.html

Also, a poorly timed article on MSN (although gives folks an idea of what cars were being denied entry):

http://en.autos.sympatico.msn.ca/guides_and_advice/article.aspx?cp-documentid=8147821

That's awesome. My friend has been looking to import a Corvette for ages...now there won't be any mods required.

[mangoman]

Yup! Law takes effect immediately (i.e. as soon as it's printed in the Canada Gazette ... which it is!) - although I'd wait until the latest revision of the RIV list is up so that you don't have to argue with anyone when crossing the border.

Nice, I guess lots of "blocked" models will now be available to us!

[Octavius]

ROFL.


YES, THERE ARE PRICE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN AUTOMOBILES SOLD IN THE U.S.
AND CANADA.

However, there’s a much greater price disparity on high‑end luxury brands than there is on more
reasonably priced manufacturers like Hyundai. In our case, the difference on most models is actually fairly negligible,
especially when you take into consideration some of the other costs and issues you have to face when buying in the U.S.


http://www.hyundaicanada.com/Content/PDF/Press/W07-1429_Crs_Bdr_EN.pdf

American Base Accent Price http://www.hyundaiusa.com/shoppingtools/byo/model.aspx?vehicle=Accent

Canada Base Accent Price
http://www.bankstreethyundai.com/new.cfm?Language=7&Make=Hyundai&Model=Accent&Vehicle=285374&Dealer=794&ExcludeBodyTypes=&IncludeBodyTypes=&ExcludeModels=&SubSection=NewCars&showImageDisplay=1

I wonder who it is that Hyundai Canada is talking to in order for them to think that a price difference of $2,720 is "fairly negligible" with respect to selling the exact same car in Canada compared to the United States.

Heck, that's almost 25% of the price if you bought the car in the United States.

[scrolllock]

Looks like TC is going to allow US bumper standards! Let the barriers come down and the lower-priced cars roll in (and insurance co.'s try to increase rates with the argument of higher repair costs)!!

http://canadagazette.gc.ca/partII/2008/20080625/html/sor199-e.html

Also, a poorly timed article on MSN (although gives folks an idea of what cars were being denied entry):

http://en.autos.sympatico.msn.ca/guides_and_advice/article.aspx?cp-documentid=8147821

ROFL.



http://www.hyundaicanada.com/Content/PDF/Press/W07-1429_Crs_Bdr_EN.pdf

American Base Accent Price http://www.hyundaiusa.com/shoppingtools/byo/model.aspx?vehicle=Accent

Canada Base Accent Price
http://www.bankstreethyundai.com/new.cfm?Language=7&Make=Hyundai&Model=Accent&Vehicle=285374&Dealer=794&ExcludeBodyTypes=&IncludeBodyTypes=&ExcludeModels=&SubSection=NewCars&showImageDisplay=1

I wonder who it is that Hyundai Canada is talking to in order for them to think that a price difference of $2,720 is "fairly negligible" with respect to selling the exact same car in Canada compared to the United States.

Heck, that's almost 25% of the price if you bought the car in the United States.

I thought I could buy an accent for 9995.00?

Isn't that a big promotion!
http://www.carswithoutborders.com/http:/www.carswithoutborders.com/forum/auto-manufacturers/hyundai/

[HP_John]

Be wary about California. I believe they charge state tax even if the vehicle is for export.

I believe the rule is you're not supposed to drive the car on California roads, if you do then you're charged state taxes even if you're exporting. I bought from California & had a shipping company pick it up at the dealer, & paid no state taxes.

[glacierice]

I believe the rule is you're not supposed to drive the car on California roads, if you do then you're charged state taxes even if you're exporting. I bought from California & had a shipping company pick it up at the dealer, & paid no state taxes.

You are correct. I contacted a few dealers in California and even contacted the state taxing authority. You need to have it shipped to Canada, otherwise your paying the tax, I think it's around 7.5%. If you drive it in California, they want their tax. Too bad cause it seems like the cheapest cars i've been looking at are all in CA.

[cinqhoda]

Looks like TC is going to allow US bumper standards! Let the barriers come down and the lower-priced cars roll in (and insurance co.'s try to increase rates with the argument of higher repair costs)!!

http://canadagazette.gc.ca/partII/2008/20080625/html/sor199-e.html

Also, a poorly timed article on MSN (although gives folks an idea of what cars were being denied entry):

http://en.autos.sympatico.msn.ca/guides_and_advice/article.aspx?cp-documentid=8147821

In less than ten months this government has amended the immobilizer rule and has aligned bumper regulations between the US and Canada. Not only is this blindingly fast (for a federal government), it removes two potential barriers manufacturers can use to restrict free market forces.:D

To the folks at www.carswithoutborders.com and to those who wrote their MP...GREAT JOB!!

[ottofly]

ROFL.



http://www.hyundaicanada.com/Content/PDF/Press/W07-1429_Crs_Bdr_EN.pdf

American Base Accent Price http://www.hyundaiusa.com/shoppingtools/byo/model.aspx?vehicle=Accent

Canada Base Accent Price
http://www.bankstreethyundai.com/new.cfm?Language=7&Make=Hyundai&Model=Accent&Vehicle=285374&Dealer=794&ExcludeBodyTypes=&IncludeBodyTypes=&ExcludeModels=&SubSection=NewCars&showImageDisplay=1

I wonder who it is that Hyundai Canada is talking to in order for them to think that a price difference of $2,720 is "fairly negligible" with respect to selling the exact same car in Canada compared to the United States.

Heck, that's almost 25% of the price if you bought the car in the United States.

Accents are $9995 in Canada, and $8995 in the US on promotion assuming you pay cash. Don't forget the 6.1% duty, as Accents are built in Korea.

[ottofly]

Looks like TC is going to allow US bumper standards! Let the barriers come down and the lower-priced cars roll in (and insurance co.'s try to increase rates with the argument of higher repair costs)!!

http://canadagazette.gc.ca/partII/2008/20080625/html/sor199-e.html

Also, a poorly timed article on MSN (although gives folks an idea of what cars were being denied entry):

http://en.autos.sympatico.msn.ca/guides_and_advice/article.aspx?cp-documentid=8147821

This is stunning news. Absolutely fantastic. Kudo's to everyone who's worked tirelessly on this whole issue. I can't wait to hear of the first US spec 2008 Corvette to be brought into Canada. If anyone does it, I look forward to hearing the story. Kerbeck Corvette in NJ had a new 2008 'Vette 1LT model for $39,995 last week if you can believe it.

[diigii]

You have the best of both worlds. Even if you change your residency to Canada, and subsequently become a naturalized Canadian citizen, you are still an American citizen. Dual citizenship is legal both in Canada and the US. So when you go back to your "motherland," you can declare your American citizenship and buy either Toyota or Honda with no problem. If they ask for proof, just show your US driver's license, birth certificate or passport. You can use your US residency address if you still have it. And being a US citizen, these dealerships cannot deny your privilege of buying a car for your own personal use. Maybe you don't even have to declare your export intentions at all. I don't think you will encounter any exporting/importing problems at the border since you are declaring your car as an import and you're paying your GST and PST as a legal Canadian resident. Good luck! I bought my car in Maryland and I was so impressed with how kind and respectful the dealership staff with me.

GOOD LUCK! Let us know how you did when you get your car here in Canada.



I'm in kind of a unique situation, and I was hoping someone might be able to help.

I'm a US citizen (Maryland resident) married to a Canadian, and we're in the process of changing my residency to Canada. I have a few months before my visa comes, and I want to get a new car before I move - either a Toyota Corolla or Honda Civic.

Since Toyota and Honda wont sell to me after I'm a Canadian resident, I was wondering if it would be possible to buy the car right before I move.
I'll still be a US resident technically at that point, but I was hoping I could avoid state sales tax by explaining I would be exporting the car immediately.

Or would that cause the dealer to just treat me as a Canadian resident already and thus refuse to sell the car to me? Could I buy the car across the border in Pennsylvania as an out of state resident and avoid sales tax that way and then export the car?

If anyone has tried something like this before, or just has any advice in general, it would be appreciated. Thanks!

[trenton1776]

You have the best of both worlds. Even if you change your residency to Canada, and subsequently become a naturalized Canadian citizen, you are still an American citizen. Dual citizenship is legal both in Canada and the US. So when you go back to your "motherland," you can declare your American citizenship and buy either Toyota or Honda with no problem. If they ask for proof, just show your US driver's license, birth certificate or passport. You can use your US residency address if you still have it. And being a US citizen, these dealerships cannot deny your privilege of buying a car for your own personal use. Maybe you don't even have to declare your export intentions at all. I don't think you will encounter any exporting/importing problems at the border since you are declaring your car as an import and you're paying your GST and PST as a legal Canadian resident. Good luck! I bought my car in Maryland and I was so impressed with how kind and respectful the dealership staff with me.

GOOD LUCK! Let us know how you did when you get your car here in Canada.

Not quite true. Citizenship has nothing to do with it. It's all about residency and where you'll be registering the vehicle. A Canadian citizen living in the US is no different then a US citizen. Similarly a US citizen living in Canada (like myself) is treated the same as any other Canadian when they want to export a vehicle.

Even if he can purchase and register in the US he's still liable for state sales tax. Just like if we get a US friend to purchase a vehicle on our behalf and sell it to us.

The only slight benefit is that he still has US license and documentation, but truthfully anyone with US residency can get a US driver's license - it's not a citizenship thing.

[gdong]

I'm a Canadian citizen from Toronto that will be living and working in Chicago for 4 months on a J1 visa. What are my options in terms of buying either a used or new vehicle from the US and exporting it to Canada once I move back to Toronto?

[johnsa]

This is stunning news. Absolutely fantastic. Kudo's to everyone who's worked tirelessly on this whole issue. I can't wait to hear of the first US spec 2008 Corvette to be brought into Canada. If anyone does it, I look forward to hearing the story. Kerbeck Corvette in NJ had a new 2008 'Vette 1LT model for $39,995 last week if you can believe it.

Any idea if this dealer can sell to Canadians at this price as it includes incentives???

[Monsieurmaggot]

Accents are $9995 in Canada, and $8995 in the US on promotion assuming you pay cash. Don't forget the 6.1% duty, as Accents are built in Korea.

Then again I know of a ton of people who went in to look at the $9995 Accent and were told they had to pay FULL PDI, a security fee and administration.

In the old days we called that "bait and switch". You would also be hard pressed to find a 9995 model in stock.

Now, if I could actually get an Accent for $9995 with 0% financing, I would consider buying in Canada. Then again, I wouldn't. IMHO Huyndai's are one small step above Kias, Scodas and Daewoo.

Great car for a student. Either drive it into the ground or get rid of it during the warranty period.

[Monsieurmaggot]

On another note, I'm increasingly hearing and been asked repeatedly about US "lemon laws" and if they apply to Canadians when they buy their cars in the US

The simple answer I hear is: YES

Case in point: I purchased a car in NY State. It says that since I bought my car from a registered dealer in the US, I am covered by the NY state lemon law. Essentially if I bring my car in for warranty work and it's not fixed appropriately in a pre-determined length of time, the MANUFACTURER will buy my car back at FULL purchase price. The laws vary from state to state and I understand some states don't actually provide written proof. NY State does.

Interestingly, it doesn't matter where I get my car serviced AND whether I have imported the car to Canada(or even sold it).

Some RFDers are also confirming the same thing. If you feel you qualify, you simply contact a lawyer in the state where you purchased your car. They will sue on your behalf and will recoup their cost from the manufacturer. It's in the manufacturers' best interest to settle quickly as the costs can continue to climb.

Interesting that Canada or the provinces don't have similar rules.

Might add this entry to the www.carburner.com website.

If you know or have experienced this, I'd love for you to post your findings.

[nikick]

dunno where else I should post this, but I think this is a good news to every importers, especially those who would like to import an Audi TT like me. :cheesygri

-----------------------------------------------

Government of Canada harmonizes bumper standard

OTTAWA, June 26 /CNW Telbec/ - A new federal regulation took effect on
June 25, 2008, that improves the design of bumpers on Canadian passenger cars
by harmonizing the Canadian car test speed requirements with those already
established in North American and European markets. By updating the Canadian
bumper standard, the Government of Canada is ensuring that:

<<
- new internationally consistent pedestrian safety requirements can be
introduced;
- design and manufacturing costs can be reduced for Canadian
manufacturers; and
- consumers are provided with more choice while maintaining road safety.
>>

"This amendment will offer more choice to Canadians who wish to import
vehicles, while maintaining the safety of Canadian roads," said the Honourable
Lawrence Cannon, Minister of Transport, Infrastructure and Communities. "It
will also improve Canada's international competitiveness by lowering
development and testing costs."
Although the amended bumper standard will facilitate importation, before
buying a vehicle in the U.S., Canadians should check with the Registrar of
Imported Vehicles (RIV) about the rules and process for importing vehicles
(www.riv.ca).
Harmonization of the bumper standard is consistent with the spirit of the
Canada-U.S. Security and Prosperity Partnership to reduce regulatory
differences and facilitate international trade while maintaining high levels
of safety.
While the provincial and territorial governments have jurisdiction for
road use and after-market additions to motor vehicles, Transport Canada
develops safety standards and regulations for new vehicles and vehicles
imported for use in Canada.
The amendment was initially published in the Canada Gazette, Part I, on
March 22, 2008, after which Canadians had 30 days to review and respond to it.
The final amendment was published on June 25, 2008, in the Canada Gazette,
Part II.



For further information: Karine White, Press Secretary, Office of the
Minister of Transport, Infrastructure and Communities, Ottawa, (613) 991-0700;
Media Relations, Transport Canada, Ottawa, (613) 993-0055; Transport Canada is
online at www.tc.gc.ca. Subscribe to news releases and speeches at
www.tc.gc.ca/e-news and keep up to date on the latest from Transport Canada.
This news release may be made available in alternative formats for persons
with visual disabilities.
http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/June2008/26/c8264.html

[ottofly]

Then again I know of a ton of people who went in to look at the $9995 Accent and were told they had to pay FULL PDI, a security fee and administration.

In the old days we called that "bait and switch". You would also be hard pressed to find a 9995 model in stock.

Now, if I could actually get an Accent for $9995 with 0% financing, I would consider buying in Canada. Then again, I wouldn't. IMHO Huyndai's are one small step above Kias, Scodas and Daewoo.

Great car for a student. Either drive it into the ground or get rid of it during the warranty period.

Totally agree. I happened to be filling up at a local station in front of a new Hyundai 3 weeks ago. I asked the owner what he paid, and he indeed confirmed $9995 + taxes + PDI + Admin fee. When he balked at the over $1600 fee (PDI + admin) the dealer threw in a set of aluminum wheels and better tires at no charge and the deal got done. But you're right, at the end of the day it's a Hyundai, as basic as transportation can get.

I know GM has the Wave/Aveo with 0% for 72 months, but the MSRP is 12995. I think the PDI is included in that price if memory serves me right. Once you get sucked in for the 0% or low rate financing, whatever bargaining power you have basically goes out the window, especially at Honda. They move very little from full MSRP when the buyer takes the 1.9% financing they offfer.

[mylo]

Hello there!

Looking for a good dealership/state for easy purchase of a Honda Pilot. Any ideas?

Great thread - lots of good info - appreciate all the work guys.

[regrus]

I was looking thru Ebay Motors for a next to new Lexus and came across a listing from a Lexus dealer in Akron Ohio welcoming Canadian customers!!!

He is offering a lease option for (and I quote) "our valued Canadian customers".

Upon checking further the lease company this dealer is using is; Leaseline Equipment and Vehicle Leasing, #100 1751 Harvey Avenue, Kelowna, British Columbia, V1Y 6G4 Phone 1-800-288-7875. Web site www.leaseline.com

If Leaseline will lease a USA purchased Lexus I'll bet they will lease other brands as well. Worth a call if you want to lease and the car is in the States.

[Anonymouse]

Anyone know if I will be covered by the New York State lemon law if I buy from a NY dealer through a broker? I'm thinking of a Honda, and it would be nice to have the lemon law coverage since I won't have the factory warranty.

[mangoman]

To quote the Friendly Giant, "Look up. Look waaaay up!" Actually just look up 5 posts before your own post. :razz:

Anyone know if I will be covered by the New York State lemon law if I buy from a NY dealer through a broker? I'm thinking of a Honda, and it would be nice to have the lemon law coverage since I won't have the factory warranty.

[Anonymouse]

To quote the Friendly Giant, "Look up. Look waaaay up!" Actually just look up 5 posts before your own post. :razz:

MM bought directly from a dealer, whereas I have to buy through a broker, so I'm not sure his experience is directly applicable.

EDIT: Having looked into it further, I don't think I would be covered by NYS lemon law because one of the conditions is that the car must be covered by the manufacturer's warranty at the time of delivery, and it wouldn't be in my case.

[mangoman]

Hmm... my bad although I'm not sure that buying through a broker would necessarily prevent your from being covered by the lemon law (you could have a broker buy it on your behalf with your name on the title, no?). However, Honda would probably be able to legally screw you over since it's the case that the car must be covered under manufacturer's warranty at the time of delivery. Now if "delivery" of the vehicle by the dealer to the broker is on US soil, wouldn't that mean it's still under warranty as it hasn't been exported out of the country yet?

Still, knowing what a bunch of #%^&@s Honda has been, I'd just stay away from them altogether.

MM bought directly from a dealer, whereas I have to buy through a broker, so I'm not sure his experience is directly applicable.

EDIT: Having looked into it further, I don't think I would be covered by NYS lemon law because one of the conditions is that the car must be covered by the manufacturer's warranty at the time of delivery, and it wouldn't be in my case.

[scrolllock]

Carswithoutborders co-founder Robert Lamb has graciously accepted Zack Spencer’s invitation and the show will be aired this Sunday June 29th at 1:00 P.M. Eastern on the Corus Radio Network!

The show will focus on our activities over the last 6 months, the current state of Vehicle importing and Fair Automobile Pricing in Canada.

For more details go to www.carswithoutborders.com

[jeeps17]

Hello everyone,

First I am pleased to announce that I have just received my imported Sienna Limited AWD yesterday, with final savings of over 14,000$.

I wish to thank all those who took the time to reply to my queries, with a honorable mention to Nitrate, who went above and beyond the call of duty with more information than I could shake a stick at :cheesygri

I have a question for all those who imported Toyotas recently... Did anyone have issues getting their vehicles serviced under warranty (dealers refusing to serve you outright, or giving you poor service because you imported - in your opinion of course). I have not yet visited a dealer, but have been told in person by a Volvo dealer (my other car) that at his shop they do not service "those cars"...

Since I live in Montreal, I would be especially interested in local dealers, but any info / tips is appreciated.

And finally if anyone is considering importing a Toyota Sienna from the US, feel free to PM me and I will try to answer your questions as best I can in the context of my own experience, as was so generously done for me.

Jeeps

[underpants]

Hello everyone,

First I am pleased to announce that I have just received my imported Sienna Limited AWD yesterday, with final savings of over 14,000$.

I wish to thank all those who took the time to reply to my queries, with a honorable mention to Nitrate, who went above and beyond the call of duty with more information than I could shake a stick at :cheesygri

I have a question for all those who imported Toyotas recently... Did anyone have issues getting their vehicles serviced under warranty (dealers refusing to serve you outright, or giving you poor service because you imported - in your opinion of course). I have not yet visited a dealer, but have been told in person by a Volvo dealer (my other car) that at his shop they do not service "those cars"...

Since I live in Montreal, I would be especially interested in local dealers, but any info / tips is appreciated.

And finally if anyone is considering importing a Toyota Sienna from the US, feel free to PM me and I will try to answer your questions as best I can in the context of my own experience, as was so generously done for me.

Jeeps

I get my US Sienna (2006) serviced at my local dealer. I've had one warranty issue fixed. I accidentally pulled out the power plug with my cell phone adapter and broke the power plug:D They fixed this under warranty with no questions asked.

I haven't once even mentioned the van is from the US and I have never had a problem.

[Nitrate]

Hello everyone,

First I am pleased to announce that I have just received my imported Sienna Limited AWD yesterday, with final savings of over 14,000$.

I wish to thank all those who took the time to reply to my queries, with a honorable mention to Nitrate, who went above and beyond the call of duty with more information than I could shake a stick at :cheesygri

I have a question for all those who imported Toyotas recently... Did anyone have issues getting their vehicles serviced under warranty (dealers refusing to serve you outright, or giving you poor service because you imported - in your opinion of course). I have not yet visited a dealer, but have been told in person by a Volvo dealer (my other car) that at his shop they do not service "those cars"...

Since I live in Montreal, I would be especially interested in local dealers, but any info / tips is appreciated.

And finally if anyone is considering importing a Toyota Sienna from the US, feel free to PM me and I will try to answer your questions as best I can in the context of my own experience, as was so generously done for me.

Jeeps
Congrats, jeeps17!! $14k savings on a Sienna Limited AWD is a sweet deal!

Don't worry about Toyota dealers. My old Corolla (now gone) was a US import and it was serviced throughout much of its life with me by local Toyota dealers. My recent import (Sienna) has been in the dealer for its first oil change. When I was asked its mileage, I said it had 2500 "MILES", and said it's an import. He didn't care.

Enjoy the Sienna!

[Beradon]

Hello everyone,

First I am pleased to announce that I have just received my imported Sienna Limited AWD yesterday, with final savings of over 14,000$.I commend you on making a sensible choice! Buying in Canada right now is like asking the car manufacturers to literally take you for a ride.

I have not yet visited a dealer, but have been told in person by a Volvo dealer (my other car) that at his shop they do not service "those cars"...He actually said that? I would've walked into the sales floor and tell every customer there to visit www.carburner.com or tell them to purchase their Volvo in the US and save thousands! That Volvo dealership should suffer for their dirty tactics.

[kergoz]

I commend you on making a sensible choice! Buying in Canada right now is like asking the car manufacturers to literally take you for a ride.

He actually said that? I would've walked into the sales floor and tell every customer there to visit www.carburner.com or tell them to purchase their Volvo in the US and save thousands! That Volvo dealership should suffer for their dirty tactics.

Yeah what a prick! I have heard similar stories at a local Volvo dealership. I have had the same concerns..it seems to me the Canadians dealers could easily make your life difficult in terms of service if they wanted to especially if more and more Canadians buy in the USA.

[kergoz]

I am planning to buy a new Sienna soon and my gut feeling is that the deals will get better in July as dealers have to get rid of inventory. Do others think Toyota will increase their rebates in July..I expect the 1500 dollar cashback to persist at least. I note also that end of the month seems to motivate a lot of dealers also. I am also wondering if the Canadian dollar will strengthen again in July..any ideas?

[Beradon]

Yeah what a prick! I have heard similar stories at a local Volvo dealership. I have had the same concerns..it seems to me the Canadians dealers could easily make your life difficult in terms of service if they wanted to especially if more and more Canadians buy in the USA.Well they shouldn't as they profit from the servicing they perform under warranty. If a particular dealership wants to be difficult, I would have no qualms making sure they lose business.

[jeeps17]

I commend you on making a sensible choice! Buying in Canada right now is like asking the car manufacturers to literally take you for a ride.

Thank you! Honestly it was on occasion rather stressful for a first timer, but the information I got on this board was invaluable. And the savings speak for themselves...

He actually said that? I would've walked into the sales floor and tell every customer there to visit www.carburner.com or tell them to purchase their Volvo in the US and save thousands! That Volvo dealership should suffer for their dirty tactics.

Let's just say that this particular dealership is known for a very elitist attitude that drove me away long ago. I had to go there to recover a set of tires, and enquired about imports as a friend of mine was due to upgrade his XC70. He won't be going there either...

Jeeps

[scrolllock]

Carswithoutborders co-founder Robert Lamb has graciously accepted Zack Spencer’s invitation and the show will be aired this Sunday June 29th at 1:00 P.M. Eastern on the Corus Radio Network!

The show will focus on our activities over the last 6 months, the current state of Vehicle importing and Fair Automobile Pricing in Canada.

For more details go to www.carswithoutborders.com

If you missed it you can hear it all at www.carswithoutborders.com

[ottofly]

If you missed it you can hear it all at www.carswithoutborders.com

Thanks. Just had a listen, great show but too short. :mad: They should have given Robert another hour. Hope he has him on the show on a regular basis, to at least get the word out.

It appears now the biggest hurdles are finding a willing dealer to sell, the insane dealer required inspections on some new cars, and this voiding warranty issue concerning Hondas.

Maybe we can all help somewhat by sending emails to Honda Canada, and Honda Motor Co. in Japan. At the end of the day, all it really does is simply steer people, pun intended, into a Toyota or some other car company that honours the warranty.

If anyone has the emails to Honda and Honda Motor Co, please post them. Everyone interested in buying one should write to them.

[zircon]

I see the govt has altered the bumper rule, yet I see cars like Audi TT, Maxda Miata still have the 2 asteriks beside them (i.e. they need bumper mods). Are these cars exempt from those earlier rules or not?

[Danno2005]

I see the govt has altered the bumper rule, yet I see cars like Audi TT, Maxda Miata still have the 2 asteriks beside them (i.e. they need bumper mods). Are these cars exempt from those earlier rules or not?

The current RIV list is dated 2008/06/13. It needs to be modified to include new bumper regulations. It may take a few weeks to get it all sorted out. I am sure the car manufacturers will be in no rush to provide the info to RIV.

:evil:

[mangoman]

A few weeks to to tell Transport Canada " Uh yes we sell that model in the US but we'll have to check if the bumpers meet the US bumper regulations..." :cheesygri

The current RIV list is dated 2008/06/13. It needs to be modified to include new bumper regulations. It may take a few weeks to get it all sorted out. I am sure the car manufacturers will be in no rush to provide the info to RIV.

:evil:

[kin0kin]

Does anybody know which is the best dealer to deal with if I were to import a Lexus IS250? I'd love to drive it over from Niagara since I'd be in TO but any recommendation is appreciated. :D

[MMMM]

Originally Posted by zircon
I see the govt has altered the bumper rule, yet I see cars like Audi TT, Maxda Miata still have the 2 asteriks beside them (i.e. they need bumper mods). Are these cars exempt from those earlier rules or not?

Originally Posted by Danno2005
The current RIV list is dated 2008/06/13. It needs to be modified to include new bumper regulations. It may take a few weeks to get it all sorted out. I am sure the car manufacturers will be in no rush to provide the info to RIV.

Spoke to a person at RIV the day the bumper mod was anounced at she said it would be 9-10 business days until the new list comes out. It will probably affect a few high end suppliers: lambo, Porsche

[d4ve]

Me and my wife are seriouly considering getting a new hybrid SUV soon and we have spent alot of time reading this forum and it has been very helpful. Thanks everyone. One point not mentionned often is how is everyone paying for their cars, is there that many people with cash lieing around. Are most people going to bank? , if so do you get burned on the interest rate when you can get 0% for 60 months now at some dealers or at least very low rates. Also do banks mind if you buy from the states. THanks for any info, we just want to get all our ducks in a row before we make the plunge.

[kin0kin]

I have a question for those who'd imported cars from the states. How did you finance the car? For example, if I were to buy an IS250 locally, and the total comes to 46k MSRP with 3% fiancing rate for 5 years. OTOH, if I were to import one from the states and assuming 40k delivered, with a 7% rate from the bank for 5 years. Not taking into account of possible different trim and packages, I'd still be paying more in the end compared to buying locally and taking advantage of the mfg's financing rate. Now if I were to be able to get a financing rate of 4% or so, that'd be another story. Some enlightenment please?

[allknowing]

Financing is all part of your calculations as to whether its a good deal or worth it to buy from the US at all. Note that many dealers now are discounting their '08 cars even more since '09s are on the way so the table may be turning towards Cdn for a bit. This was not the case back in Jan-March.
As for financing specifically - I used my line of credit.

[usacars2canada]

I have a question for those who'd imported cars from the states. How did you finance the car? For example, if I were to buy an IS250 locally, and the total comes to 46k MSRP with 3% fiancing rate for 5 years. OTOH, if I were to import one from the states and assuming 40k delivered, with a 7% rate from the bank for 5 years. Not taking into account of possible different trim and packages, I'd still be paying more in the end compared to buying locally and taking advantage of the mfg's financing rate. Now if I were to be able to get a financing rate of 4% or so, that'd be another story. Some enlightenment please?

Comm Tech Credit Union has a fixed rate new car loan of 5%:
http://www.comtechcu.com/index.html

If you have a house, you can mortgage it (or increase the mortgage) to get the money to purchase the car. The mortgage rate is about 4.6%. We have a mortgage broker that can handle all the paperwork and procedures.

[HP_John]

Does anybody know which is the best dealer to deal with if I were to import a Lexus IS250? I'd love to drive it over from Niagara since I'd be in TO but any recommendation is appreciated. :D

You can't get a Lexus dealer to sell new to Cdns, unless you have a US address (a real one of course). Please don't buy from Niagara/Buffalo dealers, many of them are ripping off Cdns. 2 customers try to buy the same car from the same dealer, 1 customer is local, the other is Cdn. The Cdn customer will pay MSRP while the local pays invoice.

Niagara/Buffalo dealers are exploiting the fact that on some cars the savings are so much that Cdns are willing to pay MSRP or sticker, whereas normally no 1 would pay that much unless it was a hot car. Farther from the border, you can literally save thousands compared to what you'd pay in Niagara/Buffalo.

[kin0kin]

My line of credit is not much different from most bank's fixed financing rate. Unfortunately I don't own a house and therefore can't make use of that method. However, 5% rate is still alright although the savings will be slightly reduced.

I did read about the dealers in buffallo selling at MSRP, justifying that it is still cheaper than Canadian prices. I was only thinking of having the dealer deliver the car to the customs office and then crossing the border from Niagara.

I wasn't aware of Lexus requiring a physical address in the states. I suppose a PO box wouldn't work? I do have some friends in the states who may be able to help out, but for what purpose do they need the address for? btw, thanks for all the great help.

[Nitrate]

I have a question for those who'd imported cars from the states. How did you finance the car?
I borrowed from my current line of credit, which is at prime+1++%. All things considered (better rate, payment scheme, no-hassle borrowing, etc.), I was better off doing this than taking out a separate personal/car loan.
For example, if I were to buy an IS250 locally, and the total comes to 46k MSRP with 3% fiancing rate for 5 years. OTOH, if I were to import one from the states and assuming 40k delivered, with a 7% rate from the bank for 5 years. Not taking into account of possible different trim and packages, I'd still be paying more in the end compared to buying locally and taking advantage of the mfg's financing rate. Now if I were to be able to get a financing rate of 4% or so, that'd be another story. Some enlightenment please?
You'd pay about $4000 more in total borrowing costs for a $40K @ 7% loan over a $46K @ 3% loan over a 5-year period.

Your $6K savings ($46K-$40K) from importing is then effectively reduced to only $2K (over 5 year period). You're still better off importing than buying locally, unless you don't think $2000 net savings is worth all the hassles and worries.

Moreover, a $40K assumption for a Lexus IS250 is a bit on the high side even with other fees added. They are selling anywhere between plain-jane @ $26K to top-of-the-line-AWD @ $31K.

Financing is just one factor. If I were you, I'd tabulate all foreseeable expenses on a spreadsheet and compare them side-by-side using as-close-to-actual amounts as you can get them.

[kin0kin]

The is250 that I was looking at is the base auto + nav + premium leather plus (with 18" rims) + Mark Levinson system. Invoice pricing comes to 35.7k. Assuming an exchange rate of 1.012, the total would be 36k. Taking taxes (14%) + duty (6.1%) into account, the total would come to 43k. Add in RIV + ac tax, it would come to C$43300. Now, here's a quick question. If I need to get the car delivered to the customs, do I pay an extra $700 or so, or is that covered by the "destination charges" of the vehicle?

AFAIK, local dealers would usually not sell below MSRP for a lexus, and the same trim + X package is 46k all in. There is, however, no NAV, and no Mark Levinson system in it, so the actual price would be probably a little more if I were to get those factory installed. I'd imagine if I finance the car at 5% for 5 years vs 3.2% locally for 5 years, it would come to about the same value in the end. The net gain of the importation would be the NAV + ML audio.

I agree that it is best to work it out on a spreadsheet and get some quotes for the car and financing rate first but I'd think the difference will not be much from this assumption. Does anybody know if it is possible to get $1000 less below invoice price?

I actually wanted to import a Nissan Rogue SL, but too bad the vehicle needs to be registered in the states for the warranty to be valid. Is there some kind of broker that I can use to get around this?

[NiteHawk]

I see the govt has altered the bumper rule, yet I see cars like Audi TT, Maxda Miata still have the 2 asteriks beside them (i.e. they need bumper mods). Are these cars exempt from those earlier rules or not?

Does this mean that we can bring in the old Evos to Canada when this rule becomes effective in September 1 2009??

[Nitrate]

Now, here's a quick question. If I need to get the car delivered to the customs, do I pay an extra $700 or so, or is that covered by the "destination charges" of the vehicle? The destination charge is the cost of delivering the vehicle from factory to dealer. It is a dealer cost that is passed down to the customer. So the answer is no, it does not cover delivery costs from dealer to anywhere, e.g. customs.Does anybody know if it is possible to get $1000 less below invoice price?Yes, lots of Americans are able to do so. Different story for Canadians wishing to import.

I actually wanted to import a Nissan Rogue SL, but too bad the vehicle needs to be registered in the states for the warranty to be valid. Is there some kind of broker that I can use to get around this?I'm not familiar with the Nissan warranty rules. But yes there are US brokers who will register/title your new vehicle out-of-state. For example, the broker buys a car from
Washington and then titles it (in their name) in Arizona. What this does is it avoids paying Washington state taxes. The broker then turns around and sells the car to you, at your agreed price, handing you the title (signed in the back by owner=seller=broker, possibly notarized too). You may have to wait up to 2 weeks for the title to clear. This is probably just one scenario. The question is, does that "work around" the Nissan warranty rules? Don't know...

[kin0kin]

Thanks, Nitrate, for answering my questions. While browsing through these 100+ pages and carburner.com, I think I came across some posts where people were saying that brokers charge about 1k+ for the procedure, including delivery of the vehicle to the door. I'm not sure if that is correct, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I haven't looked into Nissan's warranty too much either, I'm not sure if the warranty is transferable when the vehicle is exported to Canada, but I did read that it has to be registered in the states for at least 1 day before it can be exported. Same goes for Honda/Acura. Will definitely do a little bit more research on that.

I'd really like to import the IS250 if it's possible to get it less than invoice price. At invoice price (edmunds) the benefit of importing that vehicle is borderline. I wonder if I were to get my friend, who is a PR of the USA, but is currently residing in Canada to buy it, would I be able to get lower than invoice price. But then I'd have to get the title transferred and check if the warranty can be transferred over. meh, that's actually quite a lot of work.

Are there any particular import brokers that RFD recommends? :lol:

[Nitrate]

While browsing through these 100+ pages and carburner.com, I think I came across some posts where people were saying that brokers charge about 1k+ for the procedure, including delivery of the vehicle to the door. I'm not sure if that is correct, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
I think I've read those posts too, but I do believe they were referring to Canadian import brokers. I was talking exclusively about US-based brokers who will sell to Canadians. Some of these US brokers (I'm thinking of the one I used in particular) do not charge a fee. They build their profit into the vehicle price they quote you. In my case, I was still able to purchase at US invoice price, which means the US broker bought it a lower than invoice to make profit. But I did arrange for my own shipping and importing.I haven't looked into Nissan's warranty too much either, I'm not sure if the warranty is transferable when the vehicle is exported to Canada, but I did read that it has to be registered in the states for at least 1 day before it can be exported. Same goes for Honda/Acura. Will definitely do a little bit more research on that.I'm sure this thread has information on that too.
I'd really like to import the IS250 if it's possible to get it less than invoice price. At invoice price (edmunds) the benefit of importing that vehicle is borderline. I wonder if I were to get my friend, who is a PR of the USA, but is currently residing in Canada to buy it, would I be able to get lower than invoice price. But then I'd have to get the title transferred and check if the warranty can be transferred over. meh, that's actually quite a lot of work. You don't need the title transferred to you for import. Your friend would have to title it in his/her name after purchase, and she simply signs the back and gives it to you with a bill of sale. That automatically makes you the new legal owner. The real problem is that your friend will be paying state taxes, and will you be willing to shoulder that extra cost?

[zircon]

I borrowed from my current line of credit, which is at prime+1++%. All things considered (better rate, payment scheme, no-hassle borrowing, etc.), I was better off doing this than taking out a separate personal/car loan.

You'd pay about $4000 more in total borrowing costs for a $40K @ 7% loan over a $46K @ 3% loan over a 5-year period.

Your $6K savings ($46K-$40K) from importing is then effectively reduced to only $2K (over 5 year period). You're still better off importing than buying locally, unless you don't think $2000 net savings is worth all the hassles and worries.

Moreover, a $40K assumption for a Lexus IS250 is a bit on the high side even with other fees added. They are selling anywhere between plain-jane @ $26K to top-of-the-line-AWD @ $31K.

Financing is just one factor. If I were you, I'd tabulate all foreseeable expenses on a spreadsheet and compare them side-by-side using as-close-to-actual amounts as you can get them.

Where can you get a loaded IS250 AWD for 31k? Sounds very low.

[kergoz]

I know that most new vehicles now require an engine immobilizer. For instance the 2008 Sienna CE would need one..if I added one here in Canada aftermarket would that void my warranty? Are there other potential downsides? Has anyone here done this on a vehicle before? I see that there is a list of authorized dealers who install them..I assume its in the 500-600 dollar range.

[Monsieurmaggot]

If you have a house, you can mortgage it (or increase the mortgage) to get the money to purchase the car. The mortgage rate is about 4.6%. We have a mortgage broker that can handle all the paperwork and procedures.

You're kidding right?

Finances 101 tell you NEVER to increase your mortgage for a depreciating purchase.

That just doesn't make any sense. I would buy a car in Canada before I would borrow cash against a mortgage. The rate is insignificant. You could be financing the purchase for 10 or more years. The borrowing cost would be massive. A line of credit at 8% makes more sense than a mortgage loan.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Niagara/Buffalo dealers are exploiting the fact that on some cars the savings are so much that Cdns are willing to pay MSRP or sticker, whereas normally no 1 would pay that much unless it was a hot car. Farther from the border, you can literally save thousands compared to what you'd pay in Niagara/Buffalo.

I can confirm that. I know of a few people who are paying close to invoice for Subarus now. Even with Subaru US no longer offering rebates to Canadians, you're still paying at least $1k more in the Buffalo area.

[Monsieurmaggot]

The is250 that I was looking at is the base auto + nav + premium leather plus (with 18" rims) + Mark Levinson system. Invoice pricing comes to 35.7k. Assuming an exchange rate of 1.012, the total would be 36k. Taking taxes (14%) + duty (6.1%) into account, the total would come to 43k. Add in RIV + ac tax, it would come to C$43300. Now, here's a quick question. If I need to get the car delivered to the customs, do I pay an extra $700 or so, or is that covered by the "destination charges" of the vehicle?

AFAIK, local dealers would usually not sell below MSRP for a lexus, and the same trim + X package is 46k all in. There is, however, no NAV, and no Mark Levinson system in it, so the actual price would be probably a little more if I were to get those factory installed. I'd imagine if I finance the car at 5% for 5 years vs 3.2% locally for 5 years, it would come to about the same value in the end. The net gain of the importation would be the NAV + ML audio.

I agree that it is best to work it out on a spreadsheet and get some quotes for the car and financing rate first but I'd think the difference will not be much from this assumption. Does anybody know if it is possible to get $1000 less below invoice price?

I actually wanted to import a Nissan Rogue SL, but too bad the vehicle needs to be registered in the states for the warranty to be valid. Is there some kind of broker that I can use to get around this?

If memory serves me, I was under the impression the IS is assembled in the US. Combined taxes are 13% in Ontario.

Also yes it's possible to get under invoice. I paid $1800 below invoice (or about $6000 below MSRP) when I picked up my car last year. The border state dealers now know the routine and are keeping the differences. My advice is to shop around. As one email I received pointed out "Canadians see the MSRP in the US and are caught up in the "wow" factor and don't bother haggling.

Remember with the Bush peso at an all time low against most currencies, the US is fast becoming a "have not" market. The recession is killing the manufacturing sector there and the mortgage fiasco is continuously spreading. The dealers have no choice but to become more competitive. That plays better for us up here. Sadly the Canadian dealers can't even compare to their US brethren.

Canadians (like the far East) are becoming richer on the world market while the 'mericans seem to be stable or actually getting poorer overall. I read that China and India have long surpassed the US in cell and Internet usage. They are also becoming world leaders in vehicle and luxury purchases. The world marketplace is now gearing products more toward those countries than the US. That's a sad state to be in.

Interesting tidbit: The US is considered a "mature and developed economy" where future growth potential is minimal.. Just look at the prospectus of companies like McDonald's and Wal-Mart. The are reporting NO significant growth in the US.

While Canada, Europe and the US have more millionaires, their combined financial growth was only about 4%.

By comparison, the rate of millionaires increased:

1. India … – up 22.7% (1.3% of world millionaires)
2. China … – up 20.3% (4.1%)
3. Brazil … – up 19.1% (1.4%)
4. South Korea … – up 18.9% (1.2%)
5. Indonesia … – up 16.8% (0.2%)
6. Slovakia … – up 16% (0.04%)
7. Singapore … – up 15.3% (0.8%)
8. United Arab Emirates … – up 15.3% (0.8%)
9. Czech Republic … – up 15.1% (0.2%)
10. Russia … – up 14.4% (1.3%).

International marketers are shifting their focus on these emerging markets. Double digit growth is expected to increase exponentially.

From CTV.ca:

"Ileana van der Linde, a principal in Capgemini's wealth department, says that Asia will have the highest number of millionaires by 2012.

These numbers represent a shift in global spending and market share. James Chung, president of Slingerlands, N.Y.-based Reach Advisors, a marketing strategy and research firm focused on the wealthiest half-percent of Americans, says that global companies that sell luxury goods and experiences must now focus their efforts on the East."

Here's the whole article:

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080627/richest_forbes_080627/20080629?hub=TopStories

[vrfd]

fyi...just saw this:

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Toyota Canada reduces prices on 11 models

TORONTO, July 1 (UPI) -- Toyota Canada used the country's national birthday Tuesday to announce price cuts on 11 models of Toyota and Lexus vehicles.

The cuts range from $1,350 to $7,900, depending on model, and apply regardless of whether the vehicle is purchased, leased or financed, the company said in a release.

Managing Director Stephen Beatty said the reductions applied to the Toyota Prius, all Lexus hybrid models and several other models that have high marks for fuel efficiency and emissions performance.

The highest discount of $7,900 is on the Lexus 08 SC series, whose manufacturer's suggested retail price dropped from $86,100 to $78,200, the company said.

Earlier this year, Toyota was the first to announce sweeping price cuts in Canada, prompting other manufacturers to follow suit as soaring gas prices led to a widespread consumer pullback.

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[Monsieurmaggot]

fyi...just saw this:

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Toyota Canada reduces prices on 11 models

The highest discount of $7,900 is on the Lexus 08 SC series, whose manufacturer's suggested retail price dropped from $86,100 to $78,200, the company said.

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But then again, without ANY serious research, the invoice price for a SC in the US is $57,728. Tack on duty (assuming there is) the invoice price is $61,250. That's almost a $17,000 difference.

The US price includes ($760 PDI). In Canada, they'll add a couple of grand on top of that as PDI and charge you administration and security. Tack that on and you're now paying at least $20k more in Canada. Factor in the difference in tax savings and you're getting hosed even more.

I would never purchase ANY Lexus or premium car in Canada. The savings are too great going south. Sure they claim you can't buy Lexus cars in the US, but people are doing it.

Maybe there's a flaw in the armour?

[leta01]

You're kidding right?

Finances 101 tell you NEVER to increase your mortgage for a depreciating purchase.

That just doesn't make any sense. I would buy a car in Canada before I would borrow cash against a mortgage. The rate is insignificant. You could be financing the purchase for 10 or more years. The borrowing cost would be massive. A line of credit at 8% makes more sense than a mortgage loan.

Or you can get a secure line of credit, the rate is at prime which is a lot lower than 8%.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Or you can get a secure line of credit, the rate is at prime which is a lot lower than 8%.

You're right. That's an even better option.

Heck, you can use your house to get a secure line of credit.

[vrfd]

But then again, without ANY serious research, the invoice price for a SC in the US is $57,728. Tack on duty (assuming there is) the invoice price is $61,250. That's almost a $17,000 difference.

The US price includes ($760 PDI). In Canada, they'll add a couple of grand on top of that as PDI and charge you administration and security. Tack that on and you're now paying at least $20k more in Canada. Factor in the difference in tax savings and you're getting hosed even more.

I would never purchase ANY Lexus or premium car in Canada. The savings are too great going south. Sure they claim you can't buy Lexus cars in the US, but people are doing it.

Maybe there's a flaw in the armour?


yup, i agree

details @
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[Ryan]

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[Nitrate]

Where can you get a loaded IS250 AWD for 31k? Sounds very low.Sorry my mistake for using the wrong terms. I did not say "loaded", but rather "top-of-the-line", which I meant to be the highest trim without considering options. So in the IS line, it would be AWD vs RWD. I should be more careful next time.

Anyway, I know of people in New Jersey who's bought IS250 AWD with the Premium package at $33K-plus. The Premium package costs about $2K. And that's where I concluded that a regular IS250 AWD can be bought for around $31K. This prices, if you notice, are near, if not below, invoice. The point is now moot since my reply was before kin0kin said that (s)he is looking for a "loaded" IS250, with NAV,18"wheels,ML speakers,etc, which would cost a lot more.

[diigii]

I just put my vote in there. Monsieurmaggot's advices just days before I went to the US to pick up my car was all the reassurances I needed to make my crossing as smooth as possible. I still remember his last words to me: "If you think you're scared now, just wait till you stop by US Customs with the car." :cheesygri

Thanks for your help. You deserve the Most Helpful Thread in terms of dollar savings you help people saved when you started this thread.

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Voted. Now this one is one vote more than the Rogers retention:D

Now let's push this thread to 1k pages!!

[LoveRFD]

fyi...just saw this:

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Toyota Canada reduces prices on 11 models

TORONTO, July 1 (UPI) -- Toyota Canada used the country's national birthday Tuesday to announce price cuts on 11 models of Toyota and Lexus vehicles.

The cuts range from $1,350 to $7,900, depending on model, and apply regardless of whether the vehicle is purchased, leased or financed, the company said in a release.

Managing Director Stephen Beatty said the reductions applied to the Toyota Prius, all Lexus hybrid models and several other models that have high marks for fuel efficiency and emissions performance.

The highest discount of $7,900 is on the Lexus 08 SC series, whose manufacturer's suggested retail price dropped from $86,100 to $78,200, the company said.

Earlier this year, Toyota was the first to announce sweeping price cuts in Canada, prompting other manufacturers to follow suit as soaring gas prices led to a widespread consumer pullback.

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After this the Prius is still 27600($1900 reduction) while only 21500 in the States. I believe if we could get the Prius at the similar price here, there would be a lot of people buying it with the gas price sky rocketing.

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Voted
and thx again Monsieurmaggot

[shopper-X]

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Fingers Crossed!!

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What? I can't vote?

Too bad.

Thanks to everyone who voted this thread #1.

There's a reason, sure you can save $50 a year staying with Rogers but then again, ANYONE who buys a car in the US is guaranteed to save at least double that! LOL!!!!!

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This thread has cost me many hours of my precious time and hasn't saved me ONE CENT

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But it will soon. :cheesygri

[5abi]

good to see toyota reducing prices. now hopefully acura will follow suit tommorow morning

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Thanks Monsieurmaggot, voted, saved on 2 cars

[ottofly]

good to see toyota reducing prices. now hopefully acura will follow suit tommorow morning

Don't hold your breath.

[Lookin' for deals]

Monsieur Maggot !

Thanks on behalf of the thousands of Canadians that have saved over a million dollars. These savings will be spent in Canada on other essential items.

Please vote for this most useful thread. It should receive at least 15 000 votes from the almost 15 000 replies and 2 000 000 hits !

[hotgo]

You're kidding right?

Finances 101 tell you NEVER to increase your mortgage for a depreciating purchase.

That just doesn't make any sense. I would buy a car in Canada before I would borrow cash against a mortgage. The rate is insignificant. You could be financing the purchase for 10 or more years. The borrowing cost would be massive. A line of credit at 8% makes more sense than a mortgage loan.

Finances 101? You may want to revisit the class. My version of it tells me that the loan with the lowest rate is the one to choose. If you cannot get a non-mortgage rate for less, then adding it to your mortgage makes a lot of sense.

And I should add that I don't mean any offense, you have added a lot of value to this thread since its beginning, but in this case you are wrong.

[inspire]

Voted.

Thanks for saving me (G37 coupe 6MT) and my wife's car (TSX). I've encouraged 1 family friend (TL) and probably a few other colleagues to do the same ... LOL.

[bkushner]

Question: I have passed the federal inspection. I don't plan on driving my new vehicle for a couple of months. Can I hold off on the provincial inspection and registration until then? Alberta.

[PrimeBane]

I don't see why you couldn't... my old car sat in our garage for 2 months without renewed registration.

[bkushner]

I thought so. The time limit is to get the federal inspection, I think. After that, you should be able to do what you want with it.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Finances 101? You may want to revisit the class. My version of it tells me that the loan with the lowest rate is the one to choose. If you cannot get a non-mortgage rate for less, then adding it to your mortgage makes a lot of sense.

And I should add that I don't mean any offense, you have added a lot of value to this thread since its beginning, but in this case you are wrong.


Hey no offence taken.

My explanation could come off incorrectly;

Assuming you take out a $25,000 loan via one of four methods:

Unsecured car loan (car itself as collateral)
Home Equity Line of Credit
Secured line of Credit
Mortgage increase

The rates for these loans vary widely (I would safely say anywhere from 5 - 8%)

Depending on what re-payment option is provided, you could end up paying additional funds to borrow the "lower interest" loan. There are also set up fees and early closing fees to consider.

From the web I found this:

While your payments would range approximately $500 per month on a five year loan, the interest (including typical administration and set up fees could cost you anywhere from $54000 - $6800.

[gdong]

I'm a Canadian citizen from Toronto that will be living and working in Chicago for 4 months on a J1 visa. What are my options in terms of buying either a used or new vehicle from the US and exporting it to Canada once I move back to Toronto?

[cinqhoda]

Finances 101? You may want to revisit the class. My version of it tells me that the loan with the lowest rate is the one to choose. If you cannot get a non-mortgage rate for less, then adding it to your mortgage makes a lot of sense.

And I should add that I don't mean any offense, you have added a lot of value to this thread since its beginning, but in this case you are wrong.

One must also watch the amortization as well. Stretching your $40,000 car loan out for 20 yrs by blending it into your 5% mortgage will cost you $20,000 in interest (if rates stay the same). If you can pay the $40,000 car loan portion of the blended mortgage in 5 yrs (average car loan length) or less, then it works out.

[kingrukus]

All:
I am reading conflicting messages on importing new Nissan's.
I am looking at importing an '07 350z, however folks say that the car needs to be registered in the USA for 6 months minimum before I can transfer the warranty. Others claim that they had their cars registered for less than 6 months, and were still able to transfer the warrany. Can someone verify?

Furthermore, on RIV's website, it says that 07-08 350z's are admissable if built after Sept '07. What about model year 07's built before sept '07?

[BoxsterS]

The following is a reply from an Acura salesman in regards to purchasing a 2008 MDX:

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Hello There,

I am sorry to hear that you are so against Canadians making a fair profit. Believe me at the dealership level it would be nice to have the American pricing, unfortunately we are invoice from Honda Canada at a higher price then the Americans are. It is quite simple a matter of supply and demand. Like any business if you buy more of something you get a better price and can pass those savings off to your customers. It is the same situation here. The states buy so many more cars that they get a better price. You think it's more here you should see in Europe.

Lets get some real numbers though. MSRP in the states is $40195 and here it is $52500. Both of these are for the base models. Now the US vehicles don't have all the features the Canadians do, for instance it doesn't have the headlight washers, heated rear seats or the same size alternator and windshield washer resevoir. There is an extra cost for those here, but let's even ignore that.

Two different countries, you can't lease or finance an American MDX through Honda Canada finance. Thus you either have to pay cash or finance it through a bank. If you did that up here you have a $5500 credit from Honda Canada. Also your MDX from the states has no warranty. I know you could purchase warranty, and the cost is @2500 for similar coverage.

Now your base MDX from the states is $42695 and the Canadian one is $47000. There will also be some costs for you to bring it up. brokerage fees, certifying the DRL and so forth. Let's say anywhere from $500-$1000. Even at $500 the MDX is $43195 from the states. Here we would probably do a $1500 discount on the MDX as well to earn your business. Your Canadian MDX is thus $45500. Your price difference is only $2305 Between the Canadian and US price.

Plus you have to drive down there, fuel up, food, etc. The cost between them is even less.

If you would like to discuss this more I would encourage you to call me directly. It would be my pleasure to sit down with you and have a coffee and dispel some more rumors and myths for you.

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My reply:

Thanks for your detailed and well rehearsed response. You probably get quite a few emails and questions regarding the massive price discrepancies between Honda U.S and Honda Canada prices. I sympathize with your situation because you're right to some extent - it is Honda Canada that sets and dictates the MSRP of their vehicles, but I'm sure if there was enough opposition and disgust from their Canadian dealers then they would react accordingly to bring their prices more in line with the U.S.

Also, the feature differences you listed are irrelevant and inconsequential to me. When we're talking about a $10K+ difference do you really think heated seats, a bigger water reservoir and alternator are significant factors? I don't. As for the warranty, this manufactured charge also needs to be eliminated because the only reason you included the cost of the third party warranty is because Honda has strategically placed many road blocks to prevent Canadians from buying Honda vehicles in the U.S.

I didn't know about the $5500 credit from Honda Canada. This is certainly good news and it does peak my interest in buying a Canadian MDX, but even with the credit, the discrepancy is still to large. Since I'm going to ignore the price of the warranty (which shouldn't even be a factor in the first place - do you see Infiniti pulling this kind of stunt? ) we're dealing with a $5K+ discrepancy.

The warranty issue is a MDX deal breaker for me, though. Although, I would prefer an MDX, having to pay extra for a warranty just because it's purchased in the U.S is truly unfair. Fortunately, Infiniti honors their warranty regardless of whether you buy in the U.S or Canada.

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His reply:

Hello again,

I do understand that some clients don't care about the feature differences between the canadian models and US models, that's why I didn't even put a price tag on those items. If you are talking about the base MDX to purchase, we have been just informed by Acura Canada that we have an extra $2500 on the MDX base model and only the base model. Thus if you factor out the warranty again in the cost means you are still at a $2300 difference.

Just an FYI I called infiniti today,they do honor the warranty from the US if it is registered there for a 24hour period, however they cannot book appointments for US vehicles or give loaner cars. It is a case of you walk in and hope they have a tech available. If the vehcile is not registered in the US then there is no warranty.

Believe me I would love to try and earn your business here in Canada as opposed to you buying one from the US. I do honestly believe we can get close enough to the pricing to make it not worth your time and effort to go down there and buy it. If I can recommend you giving me a call so we can discuss things I would truly like to spend some time with you.

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So in the span of 2 emails he's already reduced the price of the MDX base to $8000 off MSRP placing it very competitive with the US base price. So it does seem Honda is actually responding to their dealers to provide more incentives to Canadians to buy their cars here. Although, $8000 off CDN MSRP is a nice incentive, you really have to wonder how many thousands you can knock off the U.S MSRP. Let's face it, selling an SUV these days is difficult and I'm not surprised to see dealers do whatever they can to move inventory.

[Rehan]

Although, $8000 off CDN MSRP is a nice incentive, you really have to wonder how many thousands you can knock off the U.S MSRP. Let's face it, selling an SUV these days is difficult and I'm not surprised to see dealers do whatever they can to move inventory. Yeah, the US dealers are probably even more motivated to move SUVs than Canadian dealers are. According to http://www.carsdirect.com/build/options?zipcode=14201&acode=USB80ACS111A0&restore=false you can get a base MDX in Buffalo for $36,153 and that includes the destination charge. The Canadian base MDX is $54,355 after freight/PDI, so even after the $8000 discount it's still a $10000 difference!

[BoxsterS]

Incidentally, I also inquired about a new 2008 FX35 from a dealer in Colorado and they're offering $6000 off MSRP.

Infiniti Canada has also lowered the price of the 2009 FX35 to $50,700 CDN while the U.S AWD version sells for $42,350. What's even more interesting is the price discrepancy on the 2009 FX50. The US FX50 is going for $56,700 and the CDN FX50 is $58,900 - a difference of only $2200. And since the FX50 is built in Japan, the duty alone would put it over the CDN MSRP. So, while there is only a 3.74% difference in MSRP between the U.S and CDN FX50, the difference between the less expensive FX35 is 16.47%. So, if you're looking for an FX50, 2009 seems the year to buy in Canada. As for the FX35, well, it may be worth a trip across the border. A 16.5% discrepancy is still ridiculous.

[69Stang]

You can't get a Lexus dealer to sell new to Cdns, unless you have a US address (a real one of course). Please don't buy from Niagara/Buffalo dealers, many of them are ripping off Cdns. 2 customers try to buy the same car from the same dealer, 1 customer is local, the other is Cdn. The Cdn customer will pay MSRP while the local pays invoice.

Niagara/Buffalo dealers are exploiting the fact that on some cars the savings are so much that Cdns are willing to pay MSRP or sticker, whereas normally no 1 would pay that much unless it was a hot car. Farther from the border, you can literally save thousands compared to what you'd pay in Niagara/Buffalo.

Just bought a new Lexus, great time to buy one since sales are off in the USA. For every car they sell to a Canadian they get one taken away from their next month's allocation (same model). Since sales are soft they can't sell all of the cars that they have available to them. Don't shop near a border town.

IS350 luxury ML/18", spoiler, rear ground effects/oem hks exhaust, xm radio. $40,000 US + 6.1% duty.

[Monky]

Yeah, the US dealers are probably even more motivated to move SUVs than Canadian dealers are. According to http://www.carsdirect.com/build/options?zipcode=14201&acode=USB80ACS111A0&restore=false you can get a base MDX in Buffalo for $36,153 and that includes the destination charge. The Canadian base MDX is $54,355 after freight/PDI, so even after the $8000 discount it's still a $10000 difference!


BoxsterS, its so funny that the e-mail you received from the salesman from Acura seems so similar to the one I received from a Honda dealer when I was sourcing a Odyssey. I bet they are form letters provided by Honda. They always base it on US MSRP and they reduce the CDN MSRP by the $8k you described. However, I purchased my car at below invoice which is what Rehan is describing. They need to compare apples to apples.

[inspire]

IS350 luxury ML/18", spoiler, rear ground effects/oem hks exhaust, xm radio. $40,000 US + 6.1% duty.

WOW! You did fantastic! If I was in the market for an IS350 and those options ... I would make that deal in a heartbeat. Now ... if it was in the colour combo I would like ... even better. ;)

As to MM's post from the Acura dealer ... I'm not too sure [the Acura dealer] i's telliing the 'truth' about Infiniti cars from the US and warranty issues here in Canada...

[jponce]

I would be weary of buying any car with no warranty on either side of the border. .... especially with the very public 3rd gear problems on their 6 speed gearbox found in Civic Si's/Accords/S2000.

And you're right about Honda. Good cars but customer service is awful. I've owned 3, and whenever I brought my car for ANY warranty work, I was literally put on trial by the service manager ... Terrible awful sevice. Just be careful, anything can breakdown and repairs are not cheap.

ottofly

Your statement contradicts itself. How can honda make good cars that have documented tranny or electrical problems and awful customer service? I owned a base model accord once - it was a good car; no better or worse than the nissans/mitsubishis/subarus/toyotas I've operated.

I've never had anything but bad dealer service when trying to get a major warranty repair. The small stuff is easy. Warranty is not high on my new car purchase priorities. If you can't afford to replace a power train component on a car then that car is too expensive....

[mangoman]

And even if the Acura dealer is right about the Infiniti policy, it really doesn't matter because more than likely he's not going to be in the shop for warranty repair and when he does go in for repair it'll be when he's out of warranty and they don't generally give loaners for post-warranty work.


WOW! You did fantastic! If I was in the market for an IS350 and those options ... I would make that deal in a heartbeat. Now ... if it was in the colour combo I would like ... even better. ;)

As to MM's post from the Acura dealer ... I'm not too sure [the Acura dealer] i's telliing the 'truth' about Infiniti cars from the US and warranty issues here in Canada...

[ListPrivate]

In the last 2 months I've imported a 2007 Porsche Boxster and a 2006 Acura Mdx, I saved nearly $18K after doing all the homework.

I do realize there's no warranty on the MDX, but I'm willing to take that chance since I saved so much.

Porsche's warranty is a north american warranty, so it's cross border support.

My friends and family can't believe the amount of money I saved.

Thanks everyone for your contribution. I will always buy my vehicles in the states if the dollar remains parity.

[ottofly]

Your statement contradicts itself. How can honda make good cars that have documented tranny or electrical problems and awful customer service? I owned a base model accord once - it was a good car; no better or worse than the nissans/mitsubishis/subarus/toyotas I've operated.

I've never had anything but bad dealer service when trying to get a major warranty repair. The small stuff is easy. Warranty is not high on my new car purchase priorities. If you can't afford to replace a power train component on a car then that car is too expensive....

Well I must admit, I've never owned that many cars and car makes. My comments were relatively speaking, as I was comparing to a few domestics that me and my family (parents, sisters,brothers and inlaws) have owned. Most of our cars have been Honda's. Whenever something would break, the trial would begin and the blame be thrown our way.
We have owned a few GM's and one Ford and although they broke more often, I can't remember ever being questioned for a claim. It was always "no problem" and the issue would usually be resolved.

A warranty is really piece of mind, which is a big reason for buying new cars. Obviously, people should make sure they have disposble cash should problems arise. After dropping 40k on a new MDX for example, the last thing most want is to have to dish out an additional 1-2K to fix a transfer case or one of these new 5 speed Automatics. New cars do break down. It happens more often then people think.

[nazawale]

Im planning to buy new honda accord from US, but as the warranty will be voided but I drove Hondas for fifteen years and I am sure there wouldnt be problem wiht it. But you guys this is it very risky to buy without warranty or I might be able to get warranty here in Canada once \I get the car. Any tips and idea will be higly appreciated.

[orion747]

I just noticed Lexus Canada has pretty much wiped out the cash credit program they had on all but their most expensive models. No more $2,000 on the RX they used to have which sends me deeper into the US dealers arena.

Subaru Canada has also chopped their cashback on the 09 Outbacks by $2,000, and lifted cheap financing rates on the 08s.

Bastards - one month of increased sales and Toyota Canada is itching to get back to their fat old margins and pricing.

[lasallejai]

Im planning to buy new honda accord from US, but as the warranty will be voided but I drove Hondas for fifteen years and I am sure there wouldnt be problem wiht it. But you guys this is it very risky to buy without warranty or I might be able to get warranty here in Canada once \I get the car. Any tips and idea will be higly appreciated.


From one of the threads I have read here about automobiles, I understand that Ensurall now offers warrenty packages on cars bought in the USA. One of their spokespersons claims their brand new car warrenty costs about $2,000for 5 year 100,000KM. Give them a call to find out: http://www.ensurall.com/index.html

[Anonymouse]

Nice of Ensurall to reprise this thread for their customers. They do credit Monsieur/us in a footnote at the end. $2k seems a bit steep, esp. for a Honda, and I think a lot of things are excluded.

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[ziploc]

In the last 2 months I've imported a 2007 Porsche Boxster and a 2006 Acura Mdx, I saved nearly $18K after doing all the homework.

I do realize there's no warranty on the MDX, but I'm willing to take that chance since I saved so much.

Porsche's warranty is a north american warranty, so it's cross border support.

My friends and family can't believe the amount of money I saved.

Thanks everyone for your contribution. I will always buy my vehicles in the states if the dollar remains parity.

congrats,
posts it on carburner.com (wall of savers)

[rjmbc]

If you are looking for new Toyota, Honda or Acura vehicles, PM me and I will supply dealers in Montana & Oregon.

[scrolllock]

www.CarsWithoutBorders.com reported today that 150,000 Vehicles were imported into Canada in the first Six Months of 2008. Of this number 70,000 Canadians saved over $350million. They did it themselves thanks to the help they received from threads like this and other sites like Carswithoutborders.

We can not really estimate the savings achieved for those vehicles that were imported Commercially by Canadian Dealers and Brokers. It could be assumed that at least $100 million of the savings were passed on to individual hard working Canadians.

For more info please visit www.carswithoutborders.com

[Longobongo]

Thanks for all the great info! Been lurking through this thread for quote a while but I'm seriously looking to make the plunge this year.

Just a quick question, for a new car, once the transaction is complete, if the dealership is too far, do many of you arrange for a transport broker to deliver the car to the border as well as handle the paperwork? Wouldn't that save time for travel since you and a buddy can pick it up at the border if its not too far?
If thats the case, you won't be able to inspect your purchase until it arrives, is that safe?

Or do many of you guys just drive it ALL the way back? :confused:

[Lookin' for deals]

www.CarsWithoutBorders.com reported today that 150,000 Vehicles were imported into Canada in the first Six Months of 2008. Of this number 70,000 Canadians saved over $350million. They did it themselves thanks to the help they received from threads like this and other sites like Carswithoutborders.

Right you are... individuals doing the legwork...savings thousands of dollars.. Bravo !

My only problem with the site you mention is that the people responsible are allowing unsuspecting canadians to be charged $ 20.00 for free information in exchange for a 25 % kickback when Monsieur Maggot who started started this site has never charged one red cent.

I strongly suspect that these companies that I will not name ( I don't want to give them ANY publicity) have probably plagiarized all the info that is available on this thread and on www.carburner.com for FREE !!!

Another reason to award MM that puny $ 50.00 he so strongly deserves.

Heh one cent from the 2 million hits would be a lot of gravy for you Monsieurmaggot !

You are a TRUE RFD'er saving canadians hard earned dollars and not taking advantage of them. I have followed this thread and will be importing my vehicle in late August. Thank you sooo much.

Carswithoutborders.. you should not accept these sponsors on your site solely for the benefit of making a quick sponsor buck.

SHAME on you !! :mad:

[nazawale]

Just a quick question, for a new car, once the transaction is complete, if the dealership is too far, do many of you arrange for a transport broker to deliver the car to the border as well as handle the paperwork? Wouldn't that save time for travel since you and a buddy can pick it up at the border if its not too far?
If thats the case, you won't be able to inspect your purchase until it arrives, is that safe?

Or do many of you guys just drive it ALL the way back? :confused:

In my it was different as I found the car in California and paid 1500 for transporation but I got the car 2500 less than the east coast dealers, honestly more savings are if you can drive it down here yourself.

[BBTing]

Hi all,

I've been reading this thread for a while now. I think the import part is not too difficult but tedious and just takes some work and effort. The most challenging part to me is to find a reliable source to get the new car. Correct me if I am wrong about my understanding of the following:

1) Toyota/Lexus Dealer - They don't sell direct to Canadians.

2) Broker - These are usually small firms or one-man operations. I really don't have much faith in dealing with them as I have to probably wire a large sum of money to them first. This is too risky and my cautious mind probably won't allow me to do that. If something goes wrong, I have no way to track these people down to get my money back. Also, I am not sure if my name will appear as a second owner in the record because the broker buys the car in his name and then transfer the onwership to me. Unless I have the option of paying the broker his fee and wire the whole amount of the car price to the car dealer directly, I don't feel comfortable dealing with a broker. Maybe someone can help me understand how going through a broker works and how I can protect myself when dealing with a broker.

3) Costco auto buying service - Have any Canadians succeeded importing a new car bought through Costco ? If this is possible, I would rather go through Costco even I might not be able to get the same sweet deal as going thro' a broker, just because I have the backup from Costco.

Any input and sharing of experience would be most appreciated.

[scrolllock]

Right you are... individuals doing the legwork...savings thousands of dollars.. Bravo !

My only problem with the site you mention is that the people responsible are allowing unsuspecting canadians to be charged $ 20.00 for free information in exchange for a 25 % kickback when Monsieur Maggot who started started this site has never charged one red cent.

I strongly suspect that these companies that I will not name ( I don't want to give them ANY publicity) have probably plagiarized all the info that is available on this thread and on www.carburner.com for FREE !!!


Carswithoutborders.. you should not accept these sponsors on your site solely for the benefit of making a quick sponsor buck.

SHAME on you !! :mad:

Dear Lookin' for deals... , thanks for giving us the opportunity to clarify a few things.

First of all, the folks at Carswithoutborders are not out there trying to make a quick buck. If we were, we would have starved to death 6 months ago.

Second, we are not attempting to compete with this site. Both contain a wealth of information devoted to the Canadian Car Consumer attempting to get a fair price for an automobile. We are after the same objectives.

Third, our initiative to back the publication and folks at UcanImport was not done without much thought. In our opinion, for a few dollars an individual can obtain a pretty thorough document outlining the procedures and the do's and don'ts. More importantly they obtain, for life, a free subscription of their newsletter. This newsletter is well written and contains great information for the average Canadian Automobile Consumer. Our thinking was to give Canadians options... we also provided the link to this site which directs people to carburner.com.

Fourth, we are out of the closet, Serge and I are working hard to implement change through Transport Canada. We have become a trusted and reliable source to Transport Canada, as they have used our input to push through major changes to the Canadian Safety Laws... ie.. immobilizers and Bumpers...
This takes much of our time.

Fifth, Serge and I founded Carswithoutborders with some pretty solid objectives, Fair Pricing for Canadians, but we primarily act as enablers, providing a forum for people to come together to work on common problems and issues. Over 3,000 Canadians have signed our petition, and we are working hard to get the message out to the general public,

"Yes you are being gouged by Canadian Car Manufacturers, yes you
have a choice to buy in the U.S. and yes the process is relatively simple
if you do your homework!
So despite being stifled in the press and media ( guess who pays the bills at Canwest) we have decided to raise funds to help us get the message out. We do not charge for advice, we do not want to become Brokers or dealers, all we ask is that if we have helped you over the course of the last 6 months , or if you support our cause, please donate whatever you can! We want to create a media and awareness campaign and that requires $$$$.

Sixth, we also have expenses for the internet and software... to keep the site well maintained and up to date. We are the only organization that I am aware of that purchased software to report differences in each issue of the RIV list. We report these differences religiously upon each new issue.

Seventh, Most Canadians that want to purchase Automobiles in the U.S. want to deal with folks they can trust. We have decided a couple of weeks ago to work on a List of U.S. Brokers and dealers. We had a poll of our members and most thought it was the way to go. Although the folks at Redflags have many millions of hits and advice over the last few years, no one seems to have list other than UcanImport. If the U.S. dealers want to purchase add space on our site fine, the Canadian Newspapers will not allow them to advertize! Any funds raised will be used to get the message out to Canadians.

Eight, we are the only true organization in Canada that represents the individual Canadian Automobile Consumer. Quite frankly, most of the other Consumer Groups charge for the priviledge of being a member, or they have too many balls in the air and are not very effective at implementing change for the good of the Canadian Consumer.

Nine, Carburner.com and Monsieurmaggott dedicate one page promoting Subaru,.. http://www.carburner.com/index.php?title=Buy_A_Subaru, and if you go back through this thread, several of the posts encourage Canadians to Buy a Subaru. Monsiermaggott, is a fantastic guy, and I am sure he is not taking advantage of individual Canadians, but this could lead someone to believe differently. Carburner.com has great content, but if you check out the news and current events it is a little behind. As a service to Canadians though we will put in a link to the Border crossing information, hoping it is kept up to date.


I could probably go on for a while on this, but if you have been around for the last 6 or 7 months and seem the impact that the members and supporters of Carswithoutborders have had on implementing change in this country, you will realize we are not doing this to make a quick buck. Both Serge and I have faces phone numbers and email addresses, and anyone out there can contact us. Both Serge and I could be doing many other things that have a much better return on the time we have invested.

I hope this post will help to change your mind, maybe you might want to take some time to sign our petition. In the end though, even if you can not be swayed, Serge and I will continue to support hard working Canadians from being ripped off and gouged. We will continue to find ways to raise funds to manage the effort, be more effective and get the message out.

If you would like other information don't hesitate to email us at info@carswithoutborders.com


Robert Lamb
Co-Founder CarsWithoutBorders.

[GoogleFish]

Cross-border car buying hits record
GREG KEENAN

From Friday's Globe and Mail

July 3, 2008 at 9:09 PM EDT

The number of vehicles Canadians bought in the United States soared in the first six months of the year and is on pace to smash the record set in 2007, despite some moves by auto makers last year to adjust their prices to reflect the rise in the value of the Canadian dollar.

Canadians imported 151,169 vehicles as of June 30, compared with 189,738 in all of 2007, according to data compiled by the North American Automobile Trade Association, a group that represents dealers, brokers and others who participate in cross-border automotive sales.

Vehicle imports set a record in May at 31,458 – a 56-per-cent surge from year-earlier levels – and more than doubled in each of the first six months of the year from the same months in 2007.

“Consumers in Canada have become acutely aware of the savings associated with U.S. imports and are now actively shopping for American vehicles,” the organization said in a statement scheduled to be released today.

It's not clear how many of the vehicles imported are new and how many are used.

But the numbers began soaring late last year when the Canadian dollar reached parity with the U.S. dollar and Canadian consumers became aware of a significant price gap between essentially the same vehicles offered for sale in the two markets.

Auto makers reacted by cutting prices on vehicles sold in Canada and launching a public relations and advertising offensive that emphasized features available on Canadian vehicles that cost extra on U.S. vehicles. Some companies refused to honour warranties on cars originally destined for the U.S. market that were later imported into Canada.

There are still differences in manufacturers' suggested retail prices.

The DX version of the Honda Civic compact, which is the best-selling car in Canada, has an MSRP of $18,190 in this country. The DX version of the U.S. model carries an MSRP of $15,810 (U.S.).

The Chevrolet Impala mid-sized car is listed on the General Motors of Canada Ltd. website at $25,695 (Canadian). GM Canada is offering a $1,250 price adjustment. The U.S. website of General Motors Corp. offers the Impala at an MSRP of $22,725 (U.S.) and a special buying incentive of $2,500.

“Canadians are tuned in to the price differences and know that they can get a great deal by buying an American import,” Brian Osler, president of the association, said in a statement. “The numbers show people are buying.”

Importing U.S. vehicles became easier last week when Transport Canada announced new bumper standards that are the same as those for vehicles sold in the United States and Europe.

Sales of vehicles in the United States have plunged this year and auto makers have not yet adjusted production to compensate, which means there is a larger-than-usual pool of vehicles for Canadian buyers to consider.

[scrolllock]

But what about over 70,000 that did it on their own and Saved $350M!

[03terminator]

Wooooohooooo.....


July 4 2008

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/VAFUS.pdf

[michelb]

Wooooohooooo.....


July 4 2008

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/VAFUS.pdf

That's great - haven't looked in too much detail but there certainly seem to be a lot less 'inadmissable' cars (e.g. all new Audis, VW, GMs, Nissans, etc (I think those all used to have 'bumber' issues) are ok now)

Just noticed that Mazda now says 'Note 1: Please contact the manufacturer for information regarding the exact nature and cost of the modifications required on 2009 models.' Don't know if that's new but I think that's the next thing the government needs to address - If a manufacturer is selling the same car in Canada, they should be required to state what modifications were done to the 'Canadian' version and which ones are required for safety (so they can't all start doing like BMW and Mercedes and force importers to change "not required" components (e.g. changing dash cluster even if car already can display both and/or kph stickers are acceptable by law ...)

[StEeElNuTz]

Hi,
Last week I bought a 08 350z from the USA and would like to know if theres any ways to get a warranty. I know you have to registered in the USA first but will 1 day also count or it really needs to be at least 6 months? Anyone did it already?

If I can't get a warranty from Nissan, do you know any company that can give one and are good when it's the time to make a claim?

thank you!

[shopper-X]

Hi,
Last week I bought a 08 350z from the USA and would like to know if theres any ways to get a warranty. I know you have to registered in the USA first but will 1 day also count or it really needs to be at least 6 months? Anyone did it already?

If I can't get a warranty from Nissan, do you know any company that can give one and are good when it's the time to make a claim?

thank you!

3rd last post on previous page.

[mangoman]

.pdf still loads the June 13th version for me but the html link is updated!

Here's the link to the html text:

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/menu.htm

WooHOO indeed!! (Note Scions across the board are pretty much admissible now with the usual immobilizer restriction if built after Sept. 1, 2007).

Wooooohooooo.....


July 4 2008

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/VAFUS.pdf

[Advil_Yum]

What a bummer... I've been eying that sweet Subaru Legacy Wagon (PZEV), but recently found out that the legacy wagon is only offered in Canada.
Subaru pricing in Canada vs. USA is a complete joke compared to other manufacturers, btw. WAY better deals to be had if you are in to buying Subaru in the US.
Outlook or Forester, here I come (next year).

[MasterXan]

That's great - haven't looked in too much detail but there certainly seem to be a lot less 'inadmissable' cars (e.g. all new Audis, VW, GMs, Nissans, etc (I think those all used to have 'bumber' issues) are ok now)

Just noticed that Mazda now says 'Note 1: Please contact the manufacturer for information regarding the exact nature and cost of the modifications required on 2009 models.' Don't know if that's new but I think that's the next thing the government needs to address - If a manufacturer is selling the same car in Canada, they should be required to state what modifications were done to the 'Canadian' version and which ones are required for safety (so they can't all start doing like BMW and Mercedes and force importers to change "not required" components (e.g. changing dash cluster even if car already can display both and/or kph stickers are acceptable by law ...)

it's not only Mazda that has that but also Infiniti, Lexus, Chrysler and etc. I hope they won't start charging outrageous prices in terms of modifications especially for Infiniti cause I'm really interested in a 2009 G37.

[hieppo]

So have anyone contact Mazda (I am assuming the Canada side) or similar office about what modifications and costs are associated in importing a US vehicle?

I know Mazda recently changed their policy on Warranty. They will do warranty work if Mazda US head office approve of the assessment done by Mazda Canada approved dealers. This could be good or bad depending on the dealer. But the way I see, why would Mazda Canada dealers do anything to jeopardize service orders?

Let us know.

[Canasucks]

I just noticed Lexus Canada has pretty much wiped out the cash credit program they had on all but their most expensive models. No more $2,000 on the RX they used to have which sends me deeper into the US dealers arena.

Subaru Canada has also chopped their cashback on the 09 Outbacks by $2,000, and lifted cheap financing rates on the 08s.

Bastards - one month of increased sales and Toyota Canada is itching to get back to their fat old margins and pricing.

I talked to 3 lexus dealers in GTA, They all suck. I am going to buy a new RX350 south border, anyone has the info of US dealer who is willing to sell to Canadians?

[hhhm3]

Im planning to buy new honda accord from US, but as the warranty will be voided but I drove Hondas for fifteen years and I am sure there wouldnt be problem wiht it. But you guys this is it very risky to buy without warranty or I might be able to get warranty here in Canada once \I get the car. Any tips and idea will be higly appreciated.

You can buy a separate warranty plan in Canada from a third party company.

Or if you are so sure about Honda's reliability, just drive it back to the US for major servicing work (if you live close enough)

I heard someone say this, if you need repairs/warranty work done, get it done at Honda dealership and pay for it. Send the invoice to Honda US dealership service depot for reimbursement. Not sure if it works or not but you may want to investigate the idea.

[michelb]

You can buy a separate warranty plan in Canada from a third party company.

Or if you are so sure about Honda's reliability, just drive it back to the US for major servicing work (if you live close enough)

I heard someone say this, if you need repairs/warranty work done, get it done at Honda dealership and pay for it. Send the invoice to Honda US dealership service depot for reimbursement. Not sure if it works or not but you may want to investigate the idea.

Before assuming this will work, just call Honda USA and ask them. Just tell them you are a Canadian resident but are thinking of buying a new/used Honda in the US (which still has a warranty) and will be exporting it to Canada. If after the export, you need warranty service, will it be covered in the US if you drive back to have it serviced there? Can you pay out of pocket for repairs normally covered under warranty and apply for reimbursement? They'll be able to give you a straight answer (my impression has always been that with Honda, once it's imported, warranty is voided and not valid in Canada or in the US).

[HP_John]

Well, according to Consumer Reports, the overwhelming majority of people who buy 3rd party or extended warranties "lose" money. I think they compare the cost of the warranty to what it would've cost those people to just pay for the reported repairs out of their own pocket. In general, CR suggested that the more reliable the brand, the less likely you should buy a extra warranty. These companies usually have a very good idea of how much they expect repairs will cost them for each model line.

[HP_John]

Thanks for all the great info! Been lurking through this thread for quote a while but I'm seriously looking to make the plunge this year.

Just a quick question, for a new car, once the transaction is complete, if the dealership is too far, do many of you arrange for a transport broker to deliver the car to the border as well as handle the paperwork? Wouldn't that save time for travel since you and a buddy can pick it up at the border if its not too far?
If thats the case, you won't be able to inspect your purchase until it arrives, is that safe?

Or do many of you guys just drive it ALL the way back? :confused:

I got the transporter to pickup the car from the dealer & deliver near the border. I had to do the paper work myself to get it across the border.

You can pay for the transporter to deliver to your house, & I think they handle most of the paperwork to get it across the border. However, once it becomes an "international" shipment, it costs a lot more. From Cali to Buffalo was $1100, even though Buffalo is near Toronto it would've cost about double to ship from Cali to Toronto instead of Cali to Buffalo.

[HP_John]

Hi all,

I've been reading this thread for a while now. I think the import part is not too difficult but tedious and just takes some work and effort. The most challenging part to me is to find a reliable source to get the new car. Correct me if I am wrong about my understanding of the following:

1) Toyota/Lexus Dealer - They don't sell direct to Canadians.

2) Broker - These are usually small firms or one-man operations. I really don't have much faith in dealing with them as I have to probably wire a large sum of money to them first. This is too risky and my cautious mind probably won't allow me to do that. If something goes wrong, I have no way to track these people down to get my money back. Also, I am not sure if my name will appear as a second owner in the record because the broker buys the car in his name and then transfer the onwership to me. Unless I have the option of paying the broker his fee and wire the whole amount of the car price to the car dealer directly, I don't feel comfortable dealing with a broker. Maybe someone can help me understand how going through a broker works and how I can protect myself when dealing with a broker.

3) Costco auto buying service - Have any Canadians succeeded importing a new car bought through Costco ? If this is possible, I would rather go through Costco even I might not be able to get the same sweet deal as going thro' a broker, just because I have the backup from Costco.

Any input and sharing of experience would be most appreciated.

APA.ca helps Cdns import, for a fee. They are a great consumer based organization, I've only heard good things about them with everyone that has dealt with them.

[Anonymouse]

Or if you are so sure about Honda's reliability, just drive it back to the US for major servicing work (if you live close enough)

I heard someone say this, if you need repairs/warranty work done, get it done at Honda dealership and pay for it. Send the invoice to Honda US dealership service depot for reimbursement. Not sure if it works or not but you may want to investigate the idea.

This information is incorrect as far as I know. The act of importing the car into Canada voids the warranty unless you are a US citizen who is moving to Canada.

My advice is not to affix the RIV sticker to the door jamb, buy some US license plates off ebay, and affect a US accent when you take the car in to the Canadian dealer; you have a cottage up here and like to get your car serviced while you're on vacation.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Dear Lookin' for deals... , thanks for giving us the opportunity to clarify a few things.

First of all, the folks at Carswithoutborders are not out there trying to make a quick buck. If we were, we would have starved to death 6 months ago.

Second, we are not attempting to compete with this site. Both contain a wealth of information devoted to the Canadian Car Consumer attempting to get a fair price for an automobile. We are after the same objectives.

Third, our initiative to back the publication and folks at UcanImport was not done without much thought. In our opinion, for a few dollars an individual can obtain a pretty thorough document outlining the procedures and the do's and don'ts. More importantly they obtain, for life, a free subscription of their newsletter. This newsletter is well written and contains great information for the average Canadian Automobile Consumer. Our thinking was to give Canadians options... we also provided the link to this site which directs people to carburner.com.

Fourth, we are out of the closet, Serge and I are working hard to implement change through Transport Canada. We have become a trusted and reliable source to Transport Canada, as they have used our input to push through major changes to the Canadian Safety Laws... ie.. immobilizers and Bumpers...
This takes much of our time.

Fifth, Serge and I founded Carswithoutborders with some pretty solid objectives, Fair Pricing for Canadians, but we primarily act as enablers, providing a forum for people to come together to work on common problems and issues. Over 3,000 Canadians have signed our petition, and we are working hard to get the message out to the general public,

"Yes you are being gouged by Canadian Car Manufacturers, yes you
have a choice to buy in the U.S. and yes the process is relatively simple
if you do your homework!
So despite being stifled in the press and media ( guess who pays the bills at Canwest) we have decided to raise funds to help us get the message out. We do not charge for advice, we do not want to become Brokers or dealers, all we ask is that if we have helped you over the course of the last 6 months , or if you support our cause, please donate whatever you can! We want to create a media and awareness campaign and that requires $$$$.

Sixth, we also have expenses for the internet and software... to keep the site well maintained and up to date. We are the only organization that I am aware of that purchased software to report differences in each issue of the RIV list. We report these differences religiously upon each new issue.

Seventh, Most Canadians that want to purchase Automobiles in the U.S. want to deal with folks they can trust. We have decided a couple of weeks ago to work on a List of U.S. Brokers and dealers. We had a poll of our members and most thought it was the way to go. Although the folks at Redflags have many millions of hits and advice over the last few years, no one seems to have list other than UcanImport. If the U.S. dealers want to purchase add space on our site fine, the Canadian Newspapers will not allow them to advertize! Any funds raised will be used to get the message out to Canadians.

Eight, we are the only true organization in Canada that represents the individual Canadian Automobile Consumer. Quite frankly, most of the other Consumer Groups charge for the priviledge of being a member, or they have too many balls in the air and are not very effective at implementing change for the good of the Canadian Consumer.

Nine, Carburner.com and Monsieurmaggott dedicate one page promoting Subaru,.. http://www.carburner.com/index.php?title=Buy_A_Subaru, and if you go back through this thread, several of the posts encourage Canadians to Buy a Subaru. Monsiermaggott, is a fantastic guy, and I am sure he is not taking advantage of individual Canadians, but this could lead someone to believe differently. Carburner.com has great content, but if you check out the news and current events it is a little behind. As a service to Canadians though we will put in a link to the Border crossing information, hoping it is kept up to date.


I could probably go on for a while on this, but if you have been around for the last 6 or 7 months and seem the impact that the members and supporters of Carswithoutborders have had on implementing change in this country, you will realize we are not doing this to make a quick buck. Both Serge and I have faces phone numbers and email addresses, and anyone out there can contact us. Both Serge and I could be doing many other things that have a much better return on the time we have invested.

I hope this post will help to change your mind, maybe you might want to take some time to sign our petition. In the end though, even if you can not be swayed, Serge and I will continue to support hard working Canadians from being ripped off and gouged. We will continue to find ways to raise funds to manage the effort, be more effective and get the message out.

If you would like other information don't hesitate to email us at info@carswithoutborders.com


Robert Lamb
Co-Founder CarsWithoutBorders.


Hey, OUCH!

I can't help feeling that I'm being attacked here.

Let's not get fiesty.

There are a few folks out there who are offering publications for sale and seem to have COPIED my writing style. Gotta wonder where they got the information from. Some have actually copied MY personal photographs (that I posted on carburner.com) and used them on their sites. That's bad.

I don't have an issue with that providing they provide a free service.

If you recall about a year ago a US western-based Subaru dealer set up and hosted the www.carburner.com site (at their cost), invited me along with other RFDers to participate and add information since RFD had a character limit on how much information I could post at once.

In return Zach (the US Subaru dealer) put a single plug for his dealership. Thanks to him for doing that.

In any event, no one is disputing the advances your group made in cross border sales initiatives. I don't find anything particularly wrong with your website and support your endeavours since they are very similar to mine.

But I can't help but get annoyed when people take readily available FREE information and want to charge for it. What's particularly distressing is that the FAQ on RFDs and carburner.com was compiled primarily by myself and michelb (another RFD member). Go back to the first few hundred posts (late 2006) and you will see Michelb offering his assistance to this endeavour.

I too was interviewed on local radio, appeared on CTV National News, CFTO Toronto and NewsNet. I also have spoken to written press reporters. In a few cases the reporters noted how passionate I was and one found it odd that I was doing it for "no apparent monetary gain".

The carburner.com site promotes Subaru since that's from my personal experience. After almost a year of research starting back in 2006, (remember I did this with VERY LITTLE assistance), I firmly believe and still beleive, Subarus purchased in the US present the best overall savings for a mid-priced car. My personal experience on my 2007 Subaru import is why the site is skewed that way. It's a wiki site where everyone can participate. It seems I'm the only one who's actively contributing to it. There have been a lot of spam attacks to the site. Since I am not actively employed in the Internet or car importation business, I really don't have any motivation to keep posting information. Whenever some interesting article appears, I post it on carburner.com. True the information is not always up to date but I sometimes ask myself why I'm doing it when other sites are flashier and making money.

Remember back a few years ago, only a few sites like cars101.com and RIV outlined how to import a car. Now everyone is an expert.

I applaud you guys for keeping the fire going.

I contribute to carburner.com (remember it's not my site) 'cause like you I have a passion against being gouged. I could easily have set up a site and charged handsomely for the information. I've been asked on numerous occasions to host sites and share in the advertising a "view" could generate. One person offered to set up a site with "ads by google" or similar banners that could get me THOUSANDS of dollars of monthly revenue (based on some formula on individual hits).

That would be selling out.

I could have also kept quiet and never started this monsterous thread.

Personally, the true Internet pioneer promoting US car purchases should be attributed to Joe Spitz (another US Subaru dealer) who started cars101.com many years ago. That's where I first learned about the US car pricing differences and why Subarus were so appealing.

[thenwhat]

I just noticed Lexus Canada has pretty much wiped out the cash credit program they had on all but their most expensive models. No more $2,000 on the RX they used to have which sends me deeper into the US dealers arena.

Subaru Canada has also chopped their cashback on the 09 Outbacks by $2,000, and lifted cheap financing rates on the 08s.

Bastards - one month of increased sales and Toyota Canada is itching to get back to their fat old margins and pricing.
I would like to say that the cash incentive will be back mostly likely starting next month.

[michelb]

Hey, OUCH!

...

Remember back a few years ago, only a few sites like cars101.com and RIV outlined how to import a car. Now everyone is an expert.

I applaud you guys for keeping the fire going.

I contribute to carburner.com (remember it's not my site) 'cause like you I have a passion against being gouged. I could easily have set up a site and charged handsomely for the information. I've been asked on numerous occasions to host sites and share in the advertising a "view" could generate. One person offered to set up a site with "ads by google" or similar banners that could get me THOUSANDS of dollars of monthly revenue (based on some formula on individual hits).

That would be selling out.

I could have also kept quiet and never started this monsterous thread.

Personally, the true Internet pioneer promoting US car purchases should be attributed to Joe Spitz (another US Subaru dealer) who started cars101.com many years ago. That's where I first learned about the US car pricing differences and why Subarus were so appealing.

No doubt that MonsieurMaggot has been huge benefit to many for starting and maintaining this thread and has really helped tons of us save but there are also others that have contributed greatly to it.

Also there have been a lot of other US car buying threads even on RFD but none have been as successful and have grown as this one. Offhand, I know there was one started in 2004 (2 years before this one) by someone else (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=114534) and he was pretty much laughed at, pretty much ignored and pushed out of the 'hot deals' forum by people saying this wasn't a CND deal (which I guess technically is true although it is a 'deal for Canadians' ...) and that it was posted in the wrong forum, etc

Thankfully this one made it (although if you look at the first few pages, there was a lot of negative remarks and bad information).

Bottom line is where lucky to have those who post the info (even better to have those that post 'correct' info), if you're not happy with a post, just ignore it ... but in the end, this is a free internet public forum. Confirm what you find here and do your own research.

[diigii]

I would like to say that it was Monsieurmaggot who helped me clear up some questions and doubts I initially had with buying and importing a brand new car from the US. It was johnsa who gave me the link to the Maryland dealership where I bought my car.

I don't have the access privileges anymore from work to contribute here as much as I would like as our internet access has been restricted since Dec 2007. But yes, importing advice is readily available in this thread and free. I agree with Monsieurmaggot how annoying it is to learn of people taking advantage of readily available information for their own financial benefit. That is just parasitic and opportunistic. But hey, some people have morals that is dictated by money.

I understand reading 1,000 pages of posts is too much. A sticky on the top every page is needed and I believe numerous requests have been sent to the moderators of this site but it couldn't be done.

[Monky]

Before assuming this will work, just call Honda USA and ask them. Just tell them you are a Canadian resident but are thinking of buying a new/used Honda in the US (which still has a warranty) and will be exporting it to Canada. If after the export, you need warranty service, will it be covered in the US if you drive back to have it serviced there? Can you pay out of pocket for repairs normally covered under warranty and apply for reimbursement? They'll be able to give you a straight answer (my impression has always been that with Honda, once it's imported, warranty is voided and not valid in Canada or in the US).

I called American Honda a couple of weeks ago before importing my Honda and they said the warranty is void once exported. The car is a grey market car. Even the CSR I talked to was surprised when I told her the savings I was getting. Nothing they can do, its just mgmt's polcies which suck!

[Monky]

it's not only Mazda that has that but also Infiniti, Lexus, Chrysler and etc. I hope they won't start charging outrageous prices in terms of modifications especially for Infiniti cause I'm really interested in a 2009 G37.

Is it b/c they don't have the info on 09 cars yet? Maybe that note will be removed after the information is available to RIV.

[Van G]

We're looking at purchasing a Ford Edge and possibly an F-150 in Michigan and shipping to the border to save on MI sales tax.

Has anyone imported new Ford product to Ontario? I'm interested to hear how warranty service was handled.

An option for us would be to have our friends in Chicago register the vehicle and then sell to us if that offers any advantage.

An additional concern: are people worries about purchasing gasoline engine vehicles considering the trend? Are these thing going to be worth 1 cent on the dollar in 4 years!

[mdbuffy]

Right you are... individuals doing the legwork...savings thousands of dollars.. Bravo !

My only problem with the site you mention is that the people responsible are allowing unsuspecting canadians to be charged $ 20.00 for free information in exchange for a 25 % kickback when Monsieur Maggot who started started this site has never charged one red cent.

I strongly suspect that..............................

Originally Posted by Monsieurmaggot

Hey, OUCH!

I can't help feeling that I'm being attacked here.

Let's not get fiesty.

There are a few folks out there who are offering publications for sale and seem to have COPIED my writing style. Gotta wonder where they got the information from. Some have actually copied MY personal photographs (that I posted on carburner.com) and used them on their sites. That's bad.




Dear Lookin’ for Deals and Monsieru Maggot:

If you had any idea about the integrity of Mr. Lamb and Mr. Bergeron, you would not have made some of the statements that you have have made with respect to the www.carswithoutborders.com site.

Even though they (with the support of over 1,000 other Canadians) were able to convince the Canadian Government to amend the immobilizer regulation which enabled them to license the vehicles which they had purchased in the United States, they continued to labour without pay on behalf of Canadians for fair pricing. I believe it was their sense of justice that resulted in the continuation of this site.

They have demonstrated that they have created an effective force, not only to get regulations such as the bumper regulation amended, but also by providing guidance to organizations that were providing incorrect information to their paid membership. This was done in a manner that resulted in Mssrs. Lamb and Bergeron gaining the respect of those with whom they have come in contact.

The efforts of the CarsWithoutBorder site should not be solely on the backs of two Canadians when thousands of Canadian car buyers benefit from their efforts. Mssrs. Lamb and Bergeron are not asking to be paid for the tremendous amount of time which they have contributed to this site. Their time has been invaluable because without them, the www.carswithoutborders.com site would not exist.

Mr. Lamb has stated that “our initiative to back the publication and folks at UcanImport was not done without much thought.” I believe that while the decision may have been made without much thought, it was made to help Canadian car buyers, first and foremost and not primarily to generate income.

There are out-of-pocket costs that they should not bear personally. Many have attempted in the past to make a donation to the site. The donations were always declined. Now, they have developed a communications strategy that requires funding and they are asking for donations.

The main objective of Mssrs. Lamb and Bergeron is…fair pricing for Canadians.

Thank you, Monsieur Maggot and all RFD’er for the contribution you have made to getting fair pricing for Canadians.

Michael Buffy

[eljay]

I have a question about driving a car back.

Can I just slap my provincial license plate on it in the States in lieu of temporary plate from the States and drive it across the border with that?
I'm buying a car from a private seller, so I prefer not to go through the hassle of standing in line at DMV for a temporary paper plate.

I am pretty sure the provincial plate can be used as temporary plate for 10 days on another car, then it has to be registered at provincial RMV.

[diigii]

Would you risk a federal felony in the US (unlawful use of a foreign vehicle plate across state and international lines) just because you don't wanna stand in line at a US DMV location???

My advice to you is get a temporary plate. End of discussion. In hindsight, standing in line for a $20 temporary plate beats a slew of US federal charges, including confiscation of your vehicle and being banned from entering US soil ever again.

I have a question about driving a car back.

Can I just slap my provincial license plate on it in the States in lieu of temporary plate from the States and drive it across the border with that?
I'm buying a car from a private seller, so I prefer not to go through the hassle of standing in line at DMV for a temporary paper plate.

I am pretty sure the provincial plate can be used as temporary plate for 10 days on another car, then it has to be registered at provincial RMV.

[pulsar]

I am pretty sure the provincial plate can be used as temporary plate for 10 days on another car, then it has to be registered at provincial RMV.

Not sure which province you are from but here in BC, ICBC will only let you do this if the car you are purchasing was previously registered in BC.

[mdbuffy]

I have a question about driving a car back.

Can I just slap my provincial license plate on it in the States in lieu of temporary plate from the States and drive it across the border with that?
I'm buying a car from a private seller, so I prefer not to go through the hassle of standing in line at DMV for a temporary paper plate.

I am pretty sure the provincial plate can be used as temporary plate for 10 days on another car, then it has to be registered at provincial RMV.

Make it easy on yourself....get a temporary licence from your Provinical DMV.

They have been known to do this by fax when a person who has gone to the U.S. on a holiday (not to buy a car) and stumpled into a deal that couldn't be refused.

The DMV will need the title to do this (in my case the lien holder on the car held the title, had the seller sign the ttle transferring the car to me before I paid for it (but the lienholder (bank) held onto the title until I had funds wire transferred to the bank).

The lienholder bank gave me a photocopy of the title as signed for transfer (a "dummy" copy that was useless at customs as they need the original title and I would not get the original until the lienholder bank got the money for the car).

After a phone call to the DMV, they faxed a copy of the Temporary License Application to me. I filled it out and faxed it and the "dummy" copy of the title to them along with my credit card information. In about two hours I had my temporary licence, had the money wire transferred, got the clear title (the bank signs off on the title) and drove away after having insured the car with my my insurance agent in Canada. He took care of proper insurance.

Try to ge the purchaser to get a service record for the car from the dealer who has been servicing the car. I do not know if RIV is accepting these as evidence that all Recalls have been done but it is good info to have in any event.

Hope this is of assistance.

[vrfd]

a few (dumb?) Q's:

given:

(1)US INVOICE + US MARKUP = (2)US MSRP ...and...
CDN INVOICE + CDN MARKUP = (3) CDN MSRP

Q1: is US MARKUP approx = CDN MARKUP?

Q2a: if not, why?..and how far off are they?

Q2b: if so, why would i pay carcostcanda, apa, etc for CDN INVOICE given
US MARKUP,(1),(2) & (3) are known values?

Q3: what kind of info are carcostcanda, apa, etc giving out to dealers (that could work against someone for later direct negotiations)?

thx

[ottawa_hull]

Bickering around $30 when you are about to spend 20 to 30k....

[vrfd]

Bickering around $30 when you are about to spend 20 to 30k....

my Q's have nothing to do with the spending of a measly $30 on 20k-30k...read more carefully

[Lost Horizon]

Right you are... individuals doing the legwork...savings thousands of dollars.. Bravo !

My only problem with the site you mention is that the people responsible are allowing unsuspecting canadians to be charged $ 20.00 for free information in exchange for a 25 % kickback when Monsieur Maggot who started started this site has never charged one red cent.

I strongly suspect that these companies that I will not name ( I don't want to give them ANY publicity) have probably plagiarized all the info that is available on this thread and on www.carburner.com for FREE !!!

Another reason to award MM that puny $ 50.00 he so strongly deserves.

Heh one cent from the 2 million hits would be a lot of gravy for you Monsieurmaggot !

You are a TRUE RFD'er saving canadians hard earned dollars and not taking advantage of them. I have followed this thread and will be importing my vehicle in late August. Thank you sooo much.

Carswithoutborders.. you should not accept these sponsors on your site solely for the benefit of making a quick sponsor buck.

SHAME on you !! :mad:

wellll... maybe not as clear cut and simplistic as you want to make it. While the maggots thread here has become the 'how to' and 'go to' thread for the mechanics of importing, the real changes that you see happening at the political level on this issue also have a lot to do with the behind the scenes effort and acumen of where to apply pressure on the system to get timely results. If all this is a consumer movement as expressed by the nearly 2 million views on this forum, then the cars without borders is the organized arm of that movement's focus.

Having operated (and still do) a number of web sites out of my own pocket, it's not free. Not even close. To do what Cars without Borders is doing on behalf of this 'movement' requires scratch.. for travel, for lobbying, to get media attention, conversations with politicians, pay the e-bills etc.

From the narrow point of view of the OP, the only cost to set this RFD thread up was his time. And timely it was. Cudos.

I'm not sure what the motives of the n00b poster (to this thread) are, and I personally don't care to fan any divisive flames here, but I'm just saying not to underestimate the contribution to the changing wind we see these days by any part of the movement (if I may call it that). Divided we fail.

/END soapbox.

[ottawa_hull]

my Q's have nothing to do with the spending of a measly $30 on 20k-30k...read more carefully

Trying to analytically come up with a formula that replaces a formal purchase that would confirm a particular cost is exactely what you are going after. All the power to you if you find it worthwile your time. I'll shut up now, I just call it as I see it.

[ottawa_hull]

This is great news, Hopefully more and more obstacles will be lifted.
http://ucanimport.blogspot.com/

[michelb]

This is great news, Hopefully more and more obstacles will be lifted.
http://ucanimport.blogspot.com/

That would be great news but looking at the RIV list, I don't see that it's changed at all; they still say that you need to contact BMW / MercedesBenz / xxx for exact modifications and that these modifications have to be done by the respective dealer.

[shopper-X]

This is great news, Hopefully more and more obstacles will be lifted.
http://ucanimport.blogspot.com/

That would be great news but looking at the RIV list, I don't see that it's changed at all; they still say that you need to contact BMW / MercedesBenz / xxx for exact modifications and that these modifications have to be done by the respective dealer.

Two separate things.

Admissibility Letter was need to show the Canada Customs agent that BMW, MB, etc allowed a specific vehicle (VIN) to be imported.

The company run inspections and modifications are still as is.

[Monsieurmaggot]

a few (dumb?) Q's:

given:

(1)US INVOICE + US MARKUP = (2)US MSRP ...and...
CDN INVOICE + CDN MARKUP = (3) CDN MSRP

Q1: is US MARKUP approx = CDN MARKUP?

Q2a: if not, why?..and how far off are they?

Q2b: if so, why would i pay carcostcanda, apa, etc for CDN INVOICE given
US MARKUP,(1),(2) & (3) are known values?

Q3: what kind of info are carcostcanda, apa, etc giving out to dealers (that could work against someone for later direct negotiations)?

thx

Vehicle cost aside, what I found surprising what the HUGE difference in PDI and administrative fees. IMHO aside from a couple of hundred dollars difference for personal markup, the rest is merely a money grab.

Look at most of the "cash pricing" available now in Canada. You still pay full PDI AND administrative fees. Factor them in when you make your calculations.


A dealer tried to tell me the $800 difference in PDI for a Subaru was due to the distance and "duty paperwork" required to import the vehicle.

When I mentioned that people in Alaska and Hawaii only pay about $100 more and that there was no "duty paperwork" he had no answer.

[hagbard]

Any helpful Toyota dealers in Washington State willing to play ball?

[Nitrate]

Any helpful Toyota dealers in Washington State willing to play ball?
Try Wilson Toyota in Bellingham. After letting them know I was Canadian, they were still willing to sell me a new vehicle back in February. A friend of mine recommended it, he was able to import his Sienna in about a week after initial contact. No hassle, no worry and very little waiting but he paid full US MSRP. That said, he still saved $8000 over buying locally. I actually talked to Wilson Toyota back in Feb and was about to pull the plug on a Sienna until I found a US broker who could get me the same car at invoice price (about $2500 below MSRP).

Here's the strange bit. Out of courtesy, I phoned Wilson to let them know I wasn't going ahead with the purchase, that I found another dealer willing to sell below MSRP. Oh boy, the agent must have gotten his wrist slapped after that. Because his manager phoned me not long after to tell me that they are willing to negotiate and go below MSRP. I forget whether he offered a price or not, but at that point I already committed to the US broker (put a down payment). Though I said "thanks but no thanks", they phoned me a couple more times after that.

I actually did buy a Sienna from the US broker (though I waited about 4 weeks), but you can try this "tactic" with Wilson Toyota to negotiate a price. Their huge advantage is that you can import in about a week, if you're willing to drive to Bellingham (only 30 minutes south of the border).

[hagbard]

Try Wilson Toyota in Bellingham. After letting them know I was Canadian, they were still willing to sell me a new vehicle back in February. A friend of mine recommended it, he was able to import his Sienna in about a week after initial contact. No hassle, no worry and very little waiting but he paid full US MSRP. That said, he still saved $8000 over buying locally. I actually talked to Wilson Toyota back in Feb and was about to pull the plug on a Sienna until I found a US broker who could get me the same car at invoice price (about $2500 below MSRP).

Here's the strange bit. Out of courtesy, I phoned Wilson to let them know I wasn't going ahead with the purchase, that I found another dealer willing to sell below MSRP. Oh boy, the agent must have gotten his wrist slapped after that. Because his manager phoned me not long after to tell me that they are willing to negotiate and go below MSRP. I forget whether he offered a price or not, but at that point I already committed to the US broker (put a down payment). Though I said "thanks but no thanks", they phoned me a couple more times after that.

I actually did buy a Sienna from the US broker (though I waited about 4 weeks), but you can try this "tactic" with Wilson Toyota to negotiate a price. Their huge advantage is that you can import in about a week, if you're willing to drive to Bellingham (only 30 minutes south of the border).

Better yet, who's the broker? Did they deliver? I'm in Victoria, so its a bit more hassle.

Funny, I checked Wilson's website and their MSRP is about $2000 more then Edmunds says it is.

[Lost Horizon]

Better yet, who's the broker? Did they deliver? I'm in Victoria, so its a bit more hassle.

.

Try Port Angeles... no long customs line ups either. Not sure if it works for Toyota, but it does for **** (guess the brand) . They tend to be more interested out there on the point as they are off the beaten track.

Plus, it's just a short ferry ride from downtown Vic, and better than BC 'Fairies'.

[hagbard]

Try Port Angeles... no long customs line ups either. Not sure if it works for Toyota, but it does for **** (guess the brand) . They tend to be more interested out there on the point as they are off the beaten track.

Plus, it's just a short ferry ride from downtown Vic, and better than BC 'Fairies'.

I can bring it in through Port Angeles?

[Lost Horizon]

I can bring it in through Port Angeles?

Absolutely. And they are nice to boot. And you won't end up on BC Ferries the 'Queen of Sandwich' with your brand new ride where you are sure to get dings because they jamb 4 lanes into a 3 lane ship to suit their purposes, not yours as the 'customer' ( I use the term loosely - victim is closer)...

OT Rant: Are you listening, David Hahn? Not likely. David (CEO of BC Ferries) is too absorbed in improving the (Fuel) Surcharge, not as in Improving Service.. There.. I feel better now. :D

[hagbard]

Absolutely. And they are nice to boot. And you won't end up on BC Ferries Queen of Sandwich with your brand new ride where you are sure to get dings because they jamb 4 lanes into a 3 lane ship to suit their purposes, not yours as the 'customer' ( I use the term loosely - victim is closer)... Are you listening, David Hahn? Not likely. :D

I see Port Angeles has a Toyota dealer, maybe I should try them first?

[Lost Horizon]

I see Port Angeles has a Toyota dealer, maybe I should try them first?

I would just do it, don't advertise it here.. Toyo spies..

[james-007]

Better yet, who's the broker? Did they deliver? I'm in Victoria, so its a bit more hassle.

Funny, I checked Wilson's website and their MSRP is about $2000 more then Edmunds says it is.

Wilson's is a ripoff. Back in November they tried to sell me a used Tacoma for more than what I would pay for a new one. They see you are a Canadian and prices jump up. I refuse to support people like them.

[Nitrate]

Better yet, who's the broker? Did they deliver? I'm in Victoria, so its a bit more hassle.

Funny, I checked Wilson's website and their MSRP is about $2000 more then Edmunds says it is.
You need to compare apples and apples, though. Did you add options to Edmund's prices? And did you compare that to Wilson's stock inventory? Their price list is specific to each vehicle, and therefore include options and add-ons.

Doing a quickie comparison: There's 11 different Sienna LE's listed on the Wilson inventory ranging in MSRP's from $27,989 to $31,300. I picked the lowest priced van, noted its options/package and built the same exact vehicle on the Edmunds website. There was only $100 difference after final tally. That's because I couldn't add the floor mats to Edmunds (no listed option).

[CheapScotsman]

Any helpful Toyota dealers in Washington State willing to play ball?If you are looking used (or even low mileage rental return ... and the prices are very competitive), you can check for auto direct / "Toyotas for Less" in lynnwood (north orf Everett) via craigslist

We got a 2007 Sienna (less than 1 year old) with 10k miles for less than $21k still covered under warrantee. No problem selling to CDNs (he knows the routine) and he specializes in toyotas.

[ottofly]

Vehicle cost aside, what I found surprising what the HUGE difference in PDI and administrative fees. IMHO aside from a couple of hundred dollars difference for personal markup, the rest is merely a money grab.

Look at most of the "cash pricing" available now in Canada. You still pay full PDI AND administrative fees. Factor them in when you make your calculations.


A dealer tried to tell me the $800 difference in PDI for a Subaru was due to the distance and "duty paperwork" required to import the vehicle.

When I mentioned that people in Alaska and Hawaii only pay about $100 more and that there was no "duty paperwork" he had no answer.

Yup, no question the PDI is another complete ripoff of Canadians. Try and explain to me why a Civic buyer in Eastern Canada or better yet, the GTA is charged $1295 when the car is built less then 100KM away, while the buyer in California pays only $670? Apparently it costs big bucks to do business from Allistion Ont. to Toronto.

What about the Japanese imports? Those usually dock at the Vancouver port. You would think the ones that stay in Western Canada are obviously cheaper to ship but are charged the same $1295 everywhere.

[HP_John]

Just to be fair to Cdn dealers, freight & PDI are fixed costs they must pay, they do not profit off that. It is the manufacturer who decides it. There is no markup from the dealer on freight & PDI.

How the manufacturer determines freight/PDI is they estimate how many of each model they'll sell, & how much it costs to transport them. Then they avg it out, with a markup of course, & charge the same for each model even though some models are built much closer than others. Say model A on avg costs $100 & model B on avg costs $1000 to transport (both models from the same manufacturer). We'll all pay $500 even if we get model A. We are charged frighteningly high freight & PDI costs compared to the US. It does seem unfair.

[Sumba]

Been reading these pages for the last month and finally purchased a 2008 Audi A6 S line. The 6.1% duty with GST, PST, & shipping added another 19.8% to the purchase price. Savings in the high $K teens. One thing that happened to me was I missed the US customs at the Lewiston/Queenston bridge and drove directly through to Cdn customs (my first time through this corridor). The Cdn officer told me that Canada does not enforce the US Title rules and I do not have to drive back for them to stamp the title. I filled Form 1, showed the bill of sale, title, drivers license, and paid the duty, GST, excise tax. They didn't even look at the car. I was told that I didn't have to get the title stamped if I didn't plan to drive back to the States with that car (or I might get a ticket if I do). However, I didn't want to take any chances and turned around and went to US Customs for them to stamp the title. They didn't even look at the car, just took the title and typed a few things on their computer and gave it back to me stamped. (Yes I did fax the front & back of the title to them 3 days ahead)

Came home, faxed the Recall Clearance letter to RIV, paid the fee online and within 2 hours received the Form 2 email. Took it to CT & in no time they did the paperwork and faxed the stuff to MTO. Went to register car with all paperwork paid GST + registration and 15 mins later it was all done. Note, bring an extra copy of the bill of sale (I didn't and I had to go across the road to make a photocopy at ShoppersDM).

My personal "fear" prior to going through this was dreading all the possible worst outcomes, but having gone through this, I must admit this is a very easy and fool proof process and can be done by almost anyone reading these pages.

A big THANK YOU to one and all for all contributions to this topic. I am sincerely grateful and wish all of you the very best in your car importing endeavours.

[lasallejai]

Been reading these pages for the last month and finally purchased a 2008 Audi A6 S line. The 6.1% duty with GST, PST, & shipping added another 19.8% to the purchase price. Savings in the high $K teens. One thing that happened to me was I missed the US customs at the Lewiston/Queenston bridge and drove directly through to Cdn customs (my first time through this corridor). The Cdn officer told me that Canada does not enforce the US Title rules and I do not have to drive back for them to stamp the title. I filled Form 1, showed the bill of sale, title, drivers license, and paid the duty, GST, excise tax. They didn't even look at the car. I was told that I didn't have to get the title stamped if I didn't plan to drive back to the States with that car (or I might get a ticket if I do). However, I didn't want to take any chances and turned around and went to US Customs for them to stamp the title. They didn't even look at the car, just took the title and typed a few things on their computer and gave it back to me stamped. (Yes I did fax the front & back of the title to them 3 days ahead)

Came home, faxed the Recall Clearance letter to RIV, paid the fee online and within 2 hours received the Form 2 email. Took it to CT & in no time they did the paperwork and faxed the stuff to MTO. Went to register car with all paperwork paid GST + registration and 15 mins later it was all done. Note, bring an extra copy of the bill of sale (I didn't and I had to go across the road to make a photocopy at ShoppersDM).

My personal "fear" prior to going through this was dreading all the possible worst outcomes, but having gone through this, I must admit this is a very easy and fool proof process and can be done by almost anyone reading these pages.

A big THANK YOU to one and all for all contributions to this topic. I am sincerely grateful and wish all of you the very best in your car importing endeavours.

Congratulations! Enjoy your S6! May I ask from which dealership you bought your 6 from??? I am looking forward to import a 2009 A4 and I have begun to search for dealerships in the States close to Ontario who are willing to sell to Canadians. Thanks!

[Monsieurmaggot]

My personal "fear" prior to going through this was dreading all the possible worst outcomes, but having gone through this, I must admit this is a very easy and fool proof process and can be done by almost anyone reading these pages.

Congratulations and welcome to the RFD "Super Saver Club"

I too was quite stressed crossing over since it was a new process for me.

Once I got my car across and registered in Canada the money I saved quickly had me pinching myself.

I still can't believe how much money I saved and why more people aren't doing it.

But then again, I've just read that over 170,000 US vehicles were imported in the first six months of this year already trashing last year's record.

With 2,000,000 reads on this thread, it seems to be having a small impact.

Keep it up, the manufacturers can't help but take note.

[Nitrate]

Been reading these pages for the last month and finally purchased a 2008 Audi A6 S line. The 6.1% duty with GST, PST, & shipping added another 19.8% to the purchase price. Savings in the high $K teens. Congrats on the A6 S-line! I have an A3 S-line myself and these current model Audi's are simply a joy to drive and also look at (if I may add!).
One thing that happened to me was I missed the US customs at the Lewiston/Queenston bridge and drove directly through to Cdn customs (my first time through this corridor). The Cdn officer told me that Canada does not enforce the US Title rules and I do not have to drive back for them to stamp the title. I filled Form 1, showed the bill of sale, title, drivers license, and paid the duty, GST, excise tax. They didn't even look at the car. I was told that I didn't have to get the title stamped if I didn't plan to drive back to the States with that car (or I might get a ticket if I do). However, I didn't want to take any chances and turned around and went to US Customs for them to stamp the title. They didn't even look at the car, just took the title and typed a few things on their computer and gave it back to me stamped. (Yes I did fax the front & back of the title to them 3 days ahead)
Well, that answers that question of bypassing US Customs and then driving it back with temp plates. There was a topic here a few months ago regarding the rules of taking the vehicle outside the US without officially exporting it through US Customs and the wrinkles you'd face about having to wait another 72 hours (in addition to the first 72 hours).

Came home, faxed the Recall Clearance letter to RIV, paid the fee online and within 2 hours received the Form 2 email. Took it to CT & in no time they did the paperwork and faxed the stuff to MTO. Went to register car with all paperwork paid GST + registration and 15 mins later it was all done. Note, bring an extra copy of the bill of sale (I didn't and I had to go across the road to make a photocopy at ShoppersDM).

My personal "fear" prior to going through this was dreading all the possible worst outcomes, but having gone through this, I must admit this is a very easy and fool proof process and can be done by almost anyone reading these pages.

A big THANK YOU to one and all for all contributions to this topic. I am sincerely grateful and wish all of you the very best in your car importing endeavours.
Yes, the first time is always worrisome. But it's easy if you've got everything in order. And that's what we've been telling people here on the thread. You can DO IT YOURSELF. Avoid the extra cost of local import brokers, unless you can't be bothered (and you're willing to pay extra) or are physically incapable of importing it (border too far, etc.) or you can't handle the pressure. It's not a walk in the park, but it's not as hard as some people make it out to be, and, for me, definitely not worth it to pay somebody else to do it.

[CatDog]

Does anyone know a Toyota dealership that'll sell to Canadians?

I'm in Ontario, so I can go through any of the crossings to the states.

Please either post or PM, trying to help mom find a car :)

PS: Anyone considering the Prius or Camry Hybird? We took test drives today in them.

The Prius is definitely a rough ride from the test drive we took, the car was loud inside the cabin at low speeds even (60 km) and didn't accelerate all that great. The dash you definitely have to get used to, but it wasn't anything bad, just different.

The Camry was so smooth, picked up great and really there's nothing to complain about. Great car, great price (US) and hopefully lives up to the reliability of the Camry name.

[trenton1776]

Came home, faxed the Recall Clearance letter to RIV, paid the fee online and within 2 hours received the Form 2 email. Took it to CT & in no time they did the paperwork and faxed the stuff to MTO. Went to register car with all paperwork paid GST + registration and 15 mins later it was all done. Note, bring an extra copy of the bill of sale (I didn't and I had to go across the road to make a photocopy at ShoppersDM).


Don't mean to nitpick, but I think you meant PST not GST you paid at the MTO.

[scrolllock]

It appears to us that the RIV has improved their services to Canadians.
They seem to have adjusted from dealing with “Broker” or professional importers to now handling individual Canadians importing for the first time.

They now seem to deliver a consistent message and their email system appears to be responsive.

So in order to confirm this, we have decided to issue a new poll on the CWB forum. (http://www.carswithoutborders.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=207) If you have just recently used their services, please take a couple of minutes to complete the poll.

We have maintained the same poll questions, from our January RIV poll, to be able to properly compare apples to apples. Only registered CWB members can vote and all votes are totally confidential. The software used has total privacy protection and no one can see how another individual member has voted.

Note that if you are not a member, you can register (http://www.carswithoutborders.com/forum/ucp.php?mode=register)- it is FREE -

[CanadaBoy]

1,999,996 views :twisted:

[Monsieurmaggot]

You know we've just broken 2,000,000 reads right?:cheesygri

Unbelievable.

Wow is right.

[hotgo]

Been reading these pages for the last month and finally purchased a 2008 Audi A6 S line. The 6.1% duty with GST, PST, & shipping added another 19.8% to the purchase price. Savings in the high $K teens. One thing that happened to me was I missed the US customs at the Lewiston/Queenston bridge and drove directly through to Cdn customs (my first time through this corridor). The Cdn officer told me that Canada does not enforce the US Title rules and I do not have to drive back for them to stamp the title. I filled Form 1, showed the bill of sale, title, drivers license, and paid the duty, GST, excise tax. They didn't even look at the car. I was told that I didn't have to get the title stamped if I didn't plan to drive back to the States with that car (or I might get a ticket if I do). However, I didn't want to take any chances and turned around and went to US Customs for them to stamp the title. They didn't even look at the car, just took the title and typed a few things on their computer and gave it back to me stamped. (Yes I did fax the front & back of the title to them 3 days ahead)

Came home, faxed the Recall Clearance letter to RIV, paid the fee online and within 2 hours received the Form 2 email. Took it to CT & in no time they did the paperwork and faxed the stuff to MTO. Went to register car with all paperwork paid GST + registration and 15 mins later it was all done. Note, bring an extra copy of the bill of sale (I didn't and I had to go across the road to make a photocopy at ShoppersDM).

My personal "fear" prior to going through this was dreading all the possible worst outcomes, but having gone through this, I must admit this is a very easy and fool proof process and can be done by almost anyone reading these pages.

A big THANK YOU to one and all for all contributions to this topic. I am sincerely grateful and wish all of you the very best in your car importing endeavours.

Congrats! I brought my 2008 A4 Avant over in April. Been enjoying the wheels and the savings since :)

[ozzy11118]

Just wanted to thank monsieurmaggot and everyone else for contributing to this thread it saved our family over $11000 off of list even after that I included the expenses to fly down and spend a mini 5 day holiday with my 72 year old father. The only thing I didn't factor in was the cost of taking time off of work, that time to go down was priceless.I've seen it said many times but now it's my turn. With a little research, a little organization and a strong Canadian dollar there is no need to buy up here unless of course you have too much money and need to give it away to the car companies or if the car companies finally make meaningifull changes to their prices.
Thanks again

[eljay]

I am curious, what process does everyone follow when it comes to sending the original title to the U.S. Customs?
They need it 72 hours before the crossing, so you cannot just go down with a check, get the title and drive the car back.

So, how do you do it? Send the money and rely on the seller to overnight the title signed to your name to U.S. Customs, then go down to pick up the car 3 days later?

What about when you are buying the car from a private party? You need to go to the DMV with the title to get the temporary tag. But how do you then cross the border same day?? Do you stay in the U.S. for 3 days or wait at the border?

Thanks!

[Sumba]

Don't mean to nitpick, but I think you meant PST not GST you paid at the MTO.

Yes sorry about that. Paid 8% Ontario PST.

[Cowman1208]

Woah... this thread is hella crazy. Just to add some fuel to it's sheer potential of savings fire... my sister just bought a 08 Nissan Sentra from Detroit and saved ~$4800 after all was said and done, which is helpful now that she will be paying huge Ontario insurance premiums. I just don't understand how the dealer's over there have such wiggle room and in Canada it's like fighting with a mad cow infected bull for a good price.

Just thought I would share :cheesygri

[Van G]

Can anyone suggest a US Ford dealer for Toronto based buyer?

Currently shopping for a Ford Edge and a Ford F-150.

[DSTU]

Been shopping for an car lately, went to a used car dealer and tried to get them to lower the price from $22.5 to $20k since I can get the same model in the US for about $19k with 40k less KM's.

They would only go down to $21.2 - and I said forget it.

But the interesting part is they they tried to convince me that to import a car would cost me at least 15% above the selling price - I asked "this must include the GST and PST right" - they said no. I then asked what are these costs then, well they could not answer that, they did say 6.1% duty _ sorry car made in US....lol

I will be buying a car at Van Bortel - so if anyone has a referral fee - PM me :)

[michelb]

I am curious, what process does everyone follow when it comes to sending the original title to the U.S. Customs?
They need it 72 hours before the crossing, so you cannot just go down with a check, get the title and drive the car back.

So, how do you do it? Send the money and rely on the seller to overnight the title signed to your name to U.S. Customs, then go down to pick up the car 3 days later?

What about when you are buying the car from a private party? You need to go to the DMV with the title to get the temporary tag. But how do you then cross the border same day?? Do you stay in the U.S. for 3 days or wait at the border?

Thanks!

I believe most buyers are not buying privately so it's not as much of a trust issue but yes, you basically have to wait 3 days after you pay the car in full until you can export from the US. It can actually be worse if the car has a lien; if it does, you'll need a discharge later and/or you may have to wait for the title (I believe some states re-issue a title once the lien is discharged and this can take 1-2 weeks, also some used dealerships don't always have the title of the vehicle ...).

As far as sending the title, many borders to accept faxes which makes it a lot easier but this really depends on the border you are crossing at (I believe that most of the POEs East of Kingston appear to want the actual title and don't accept faxes).

[hotgo]

I am curious, what process does everyone follow when it comes to sending the original title to the U.S. Customs?
They need it 72 hours before the crossing, so you cannot just go down with a check, get the title and drive the car back.

So, how do you do it? Send the money and rely on the seller to overnight the title signed to your name to U.S. Customs, then go down to pick up the car 3 days later?

What about when you are buying the car from a private party? You need to go to the DMV with the title to get the temporary tag. But how do you then cross the border same day?? Do you stay in the U.S. for 3 days or wait at the border?

Thanks!

If you are buying from a dealer, it will depend on the dealer. In my case, I bought an Outback from VanBortel. In that case I did not hand over a penny (not even a deposit) until I went to pick up the car at which point I paid in full. They had already submitted the paperwork to the border 3 days before I handed anything over.

In the second case, the dealer that I bought my Audi from wanted everything upfront from me... and needless to say I was more than a little worried about paying for the car in full before even seeing it, meeting the dealer, or anything. But I did go through with it and it worked out fine in the end.

Bottom-line is that it will depend entirely on your unique situation.

[sienna owner]

If you are buying from a dealer, it will depend on the dealer. In my case, I bought an Outback from VanBortel. In that case I did not hand over a penny (not even a deposit) until I went to pick up the car at which point I paid in full. They had already submitted the paperwork to the border 3 days before I handed anything over.

In the second case, the dealer that I bought my Audi from wanted everything upfront from me... and needless to say I was more than a little worried about paying for the car in full before even seeing it, meeting the dealer, or anything. But I did go through with it and it worked out fine in the end.

Bottom-line is that it will depend entirely on your unique situation.

just to add if you are buying from a dealer a new car..there is not title until you pay that is correct, but depending on the border crossing, if you fax a copy of the MCO, that will do for the 3 day wait...

when we got our sienna from mich, deposit with done over the phone ($500) since it had to be ordered with the options we wanted....once it was ready, she fax me & the border the copy of M.Cert of Origin and that was sufficient...didn't have title until i brought the bank draft for the difference and used that to cross the border.

[Lonewolf1]

Has anyone filled out one of these forms when taking more than 10k into the US? I am wondering if its just a formality. Its required by US Customs and I will need to do it when I pick up my new Tribeca from Keene Subaru in New Hampshire later this month. I will be paying with a bank draft.

http://help.cbp.gov/cgi-bin/customs.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=195&p_created=1043364937&p_sid=DXWA3m8j&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX 3Jvd19jbnQ9Nyw3JnBfcHJvZHM9MSw0MiZwX2NhdHM9MCZwX3B 2PTIuNDImcF9jdj0mcF9zZWFyY2hfdHlwZT1hbnN3ZXJzLnNlY XJjaF9ubCZwX3BhZ2U9MQ**&p_li=&p_topview=1

[eljay]

If you are buying from a dealer, it will depend on the dealer. In my case, I bought an Outback from VanBortel. In that case I did not hand over a penny (not even a deposit) until I went to pick up the car at which point I paid in full. They had already submitted the paperwork to the border 3 days before I handed anything over.

In the second case, the dealer that I bought my Audi from wanted everything upfront from me... and needless to say I was more than a little worried about paying for the car in full before even seeing it, meeting the dealer, or anything. But I did go through with it and it worked out fine in the end.

Bottom-line is that it will depend entirely on your unique situation.

Thank you!
So, did that dealer send the actual title signed to your name or just a faxed copy plus a bill of sale?

[vinko]

Hi Gents,

Been following the thread diligently for 6 months, and just want to give everyone a quick report of the process and timelines I went through in terms of importing my Subaru Forester 2009.

I spent a few month on the qualifying round in terms of choosing the right vehicle, time may vary for everyone obviously. However, I had a pleasant experience going through various test drive session with all the Canadian car dealers here. My wife and I eventually settled on a 2009 Subaru Forester.

Day 0: Decision on purchase made on Victoria Day (I am based in BC), May 19, 2009.
1. I called a few locations in Seattle for car purchase, the gentlemen at cars101.com, Joe, told me that as of 48 before, he no longer sells to Canadian, as we are a cheap and difficult bunch, always looking for the best deals and try to haggle (Gents, keep in mind and don’t ruin it for the rest of us). I finally found a place in Bellvue that continues to sell to Canadians.
2. Found from dealer that Vehicle is in high demand and need to be factory ordered. Gave my full name, address and my credit card to put in a 500$ USD deposit (refunded immediately) to put in the factory order
3. Wait.
4. While waiting, I ordered the accessories for the vehicle (it’s also much much cheaper in the US)

Day 37 (June 25, 2008)
1. informed that the vehicle has arrived
2. provide full address in Vancouver
3. obtain wire information for funds
4. request dealer arrange for temp plates
5. obtain vehicle VIN

Day 39 (June 27, 2008)
1. wire the full amount to Dealer

Day 42 (June 30, 2008)
1. dealer receive funds
2. dealer fax front and back MSO, work order, purchase order to US customs at Pacific crossing
3. obtain 10 day binder for insurance specific to pick up vehicle (Need Vin)
4. lost drivers license at insurance broker

Day 45 (July 2, 2008)
1. obtain temp drivers license
2. found drivers license at insurance broker
3. dealer followed up with US customs and confirm receipts of MSO

Day 46 (July 3, 2008)
1. left Vancouver at 5AM, reached dealer at 9AM
2. signed a lot of paperwork (purchase order & transfer title/update MSO)
3. obtained original MSO
4. got WA temp plates
5. leave dealer at 1030AM, arrive at US customs at 1245AM at Pacific crossing
6. park car at US side, go to US customs (follow big sign saying, export vehicles go here), with real MSO, US customs stamps and make fun of my forester
7. Back to vehicle drive past Canadian customs, explain to them car is for import to Canada, obtain a special form
8. At 130PM walk into Canadian customs, follow sign and take number under the sign that says ‘vehicle import please take a number’
9. wait until number is called, showed up with my stamped MSO, purchase order + Canadian custom form, got charged excise tax, custom tax (Vehicle is made in Japan) of 6.1% + GST on top of everything, paid with CC, obtain RIV form1
10. leave Canadian customs at 2pm, gawking at the lineup of over 40 cars waiting to be imported all this time

Day 47 (July 4, 2008)
1. pay RIV fee online
2. fax RIV form1 + MSO (Both sides) to RIV 18883468235

Day 50 (July 7, 2008)
1. called Subaru USA, obtain recall letter via email
2. fax recall letter to RIV 18886429899

Day 51 (July 8, 2008)
1. called RIV, confirm receipt of MSO, form1 & recall letter, ask them to send Form 2 to me via email
2. received in 5 hours form2 via email

Day 52 (July 9, 20008)
1. go to insurance broker, got temp plate for the 10 day binder (it’s insurance, but not plate)
2. 10 minute inspection, federal inspection is free, but paid for provincial inspection
3. go back to broker, pay PST + ICBC cost (show custom receipt for GST)
4. obtain plate
5. drink beer

Done, cost to me is (Subaru Dealer invoice (25,331$) + Dealer take (750$) + 3 day trip permit WA (33$) + dealer documentation fee ($50) + AC(100$) )x exchange as of July 3(1.0129) x (GST ( 1406.45$)+ PST (1969.11$) + 6.1% custom fees(1611.46) ) + RIV (204.75$) + Provincial Inspection (100$) + gas = 32,019.29$ << 38,166.84$ (all inclusive Canada), total saving is 6,147.55$ or 16%. Thanks to this thread + carburner.com in detailed instructions.

Good luck everyone! With the money I saved, I will contribute it back to the Canadian economy, either towards to wacky Vancouver real estate market (now wackier with the removal of 40 year mortgages), reducing inflation, by forcing car manufacturers in reducing prices, or spending it on oil from the Alberta oil sands. Who says buying American aren’t patriotic?

Cheers,

[chenwaa123]

Hi Gents,

Been following the thread diligently for 6 months, and just want to give everyone a quick report of the process and timelines I went through in terms of importing my Subaru Forester 2009.

I spent a few month on the qualifying round in terms of choosing the right vehicle, time may vary for everyone obviously. However, I had a pleasant experience going through various test drive session with all the Canadian car dealers here. My wife and I eventually settled on a 2009 Subaru Forester.

Day 42 (June 30, 2008)
1. dealer receive funds
2. dealer fax front and back MSO, work order, purchase order to US customs at Pacific crossing
3. obtain 10 day binder for insurance specific to pick up vehicle (Need Vin)
4. lost drivers license at insurance broker


Day 52 (July 9, 20008)
1. go to insurance broker, got temp plate for the 10 day binder (it’s insurance, but not plate)
2. 10 minute inspection, federal inspection is free, but paid for provincial inspection
3. go back to broker, pay PST + ICBC cost (show custom receipt for GST)
4. obtain plate
5. drink beer

Done, cost to me is (Subaru Dealer invoice (25,331$) + Dealer take (750$) + 3 day trip permit WA (33$) + dealer documentation fee ($50) + AC(100$) )x exchange as of July 3(1.0129) x (GST ( 1406.45$)+ PST (1969.11$) + 6.1% custom fees(1611.46) ) + RIV (204.75$) + Provincial Inspection (100$) + gas = 32,019.29$ << 38,166.84$ (all inclusive Canada), total saving is 6,147.55$ or 16%. Thanks to this thread + carburner.com in detailed instructions.

Good luck everyone! With the money I saved, I will contribute it back to the Canadian economy, either towards to wacky Vancouver real estate market (now wackier with the removal of 40 year mortgages), reducing inflation, by forcing car manufacturers in reducing prices, or spending it on oil from the Alberta oil sands. Who says buying American aren’t patriotic?

Cheers,

Why did you have 2 Insurance Binders?

Once the car is in BC, and if your previous ICBC Insurance Binder and WA license fees had expired, your broker should have provided you with a 1 day Temporary Operating permit (License fee exempt).

[vinko]

Why did you have 2 Insurance Binders?

Once the car is in BC, and if your previous ICBC Insurance Binder and WA license fees had expired, your broker should have provided you with a 1 day Temporary Operating permit (License fee exempt).


hi, sorry, for clarification, only 1 binder, but i had to go back for temp plate as you've outlined.

[sienna owner]

Has anyone filled out one of these forms when taking more than 10k into the US? I am wondering if its just a formality. Its required by US Customs and I will need to do it when I pick up my new Tribeca from Keene Subaru in New Hampshire later this month. I will be paying with a bank draft.

http://help.cbp.gov/cgi-bin/customs.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=195&p_created=1043364937&p_sid=DXWA3m8j&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX 3Jvd19jbnQ9Nyw3JnBfcHJvZHM9MSw0MiZwX2NhdHM9MCZwX3B 2PTIuNDImcF9jdj0mcF9zZWFyY2hfdHlwZT1hbnN3ZXJzLnNlY XJjaF9ubCZwX3BhZ2U9MQ**&p_li=&p_topview=1

sorry...no forms were filled out by me...just advised had a bank draft as was going to buy a Sienna...he asked to look at it and make sure it was made out to the actually dealership, and not cash

[hotgo]

Thank you!
So, did that dealer send the actual title signed to your name or just a faxed copy plus a bill of sale?

The dealer actually couriered copies of the paperwork to me, and then I faxed it to the border crossing. The dealer was quite unaware of the export procedure, so we basically agreed that I would take care of all things related to the export.

[warpdryv]

Just to be fair to Cdn dealers, freight & PDI are fixed costs they must pay, they do not profit off that. It is the manufacturer who decides it. There is no markup from the dealer on freight & PDI.

How the manufacturer determines freight/PDI is they estimate how many of each model they'll sell, & how much it costs to transport them. Then they avg it out, with a markup of course, & charge the same for each model even though some models are built much closer than others. Say model A on avg costs $100 & model B on avg costs $1000 to transport (both models from the same manufacturer). We'll all pay $500 even if we get model A. We are charged frighteningly high freight & PDI costs compared to the US. It does seem unfair.

Not true - Canadian dealers have a hefty markup on pdi. Their $12/hr guy spends 3 hrs on your car, and you spend $800 for this.

[clem24]

Hey guys,

Need some help. My buddy is going to buy a new car in NY state, but the car dealer (subaru) is saying they need to charge state tax on the sale. However, other people's actual experiences seem to indicate he doesn't need to pay this. Who's right? I also looked at that form DTF-803. Does that have to be filled out?

Form here:

http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/forms/dtf803_01.pdf

Thanks!!

EDIT: Ok never mind I guess the sales manager knows what he's doing and will make sure there are no taxes. Problem solved.

[amovilea]

Hi guys

I'm in the process of getting the car across the border, but having a bit of trouble getting it home.

Bought the car from Massachussets and acording to the dealer they don't have temp plates there, so they delivered for me close to the border.

I went to the MTO to get a temp plate but after a couple of trips back and forth, they say they can't give me a trip permit because the car is not registered with the RIV yet and the comp sytem won't let them issue the permit without that.

The question is this: Can I register the car with RIV before actually crossing the border?

On their website's payment form you need the Form 1 number and a few other bith of info you won't get till you hit customs.

Thanks in advance, I am hoping to bring the car across tomorrow, but would like to avoid having to tow it from the border.

[HP_John]

Not true - Canadian dealers have a hefty markup on pdi. Their $12/hr guy spends 3 hrs on your car, and you spend $800 for this.

I must've made a mistake. When I saw invoice costs on Edmunds.com for US cars (I imported), destination invoice was the same as msrp (no markup). Do US customers usually pay for PDI or is it included in destination? (I only got charged destination).

[Monsieurmaggot]

I went to the MTO to get a temp plate but after a couple of trips back and forth, they say they can't give me a trip permit because the car is not registered with the RIV yet and the comp sytem won't let them issue the permit without that.




Seems like the MTO has their share of idiots. I'm guessing that many of the people they hire clearly have no idea of the rules. While I can't say for sure, I'm told most of the MTO offices are actually franchises which explains a lot. I bet most offices hire people at minimum wage.

In any event, I actually called the main MTO number prior to buying my US vehicle and was told that as long as I provide the VIN and proof of ownership, I would be granted one for the 10-day period.

My insurance company also insisted I get one even though I also had one from NY State. Many RFDers have used the US temporary plates exclusively with no problem.

In any event, when I arrived at the MTO the person told me I couldn't get a transit permit for a car that wasn't yet registered to me!

Her supervisor quickly corrected her.

According to the MTO website:

To apply for a permit, take the following items to any ServiceOntario Driver and Vehicle Licence Issuing Office:

a Bill of Sale from the person named on the permit to you;

name of your insurance company and policy number.

Note: The vehicle to which the trip permit will be attached must be insured at the time when the trip permit is issued.


I told the MTO person at their main office I was buying my car in the US and they said the same rules apply.

If in doubt, have the clerk call the MTO "800" support number set up for the licensing office people. That usually resolves the problem fairly quickly.

[amovilea]

...

According to the MTO website:

To apply for a permit, take the following items to any ServiceOntario Driver and Vehicle Licence Issuing Office:

a Bill of Sale from the person named on the permit to you;

name of your insurance company and policy number.

Note: The vehicle to which the trip permit will be attached must be insured at the time when the trip permit is issued.


I told the MTO person at their main office I was buying my car in the US and they said the same rules apply.

If in doubt, have the clerk call the MTO "800" support number set up for the licensing office people. That usually resolves the problem fairly quickly.

I showed them the same printout from their website rules. The lady there was really nice and willing to help, but she showed me that when she entered the VIN number she was getting an error in the system, I guess the were trying to cross reference with the RIV and since the VIN is not in there she couldn't proceed any further.

I will try another office tomorrow morning and see if I get the same result.

Problem is I have a bill of Sale with one date and the title with another date (took a few days for the bank wire to clear) and they took issue with the bill of sale being outside the 6 days window, so I'm sure the second office will be just as anal about it.

Don't have american temp plates, the Mass dealer delivered car near border and then took off with the dealer plates, muttered something like MA doesn't allow them to release temp plates for out of state sales.

[kergoz]

sorry...no forms were filled out by me...just advised had a bank draft as was going to buy a Sienna...he asked to look at it and make sure it was made out to the actually dealership, and not cash

I was told by a New York dealer that he would only accept a cheque from a US bank. Has anyone else had this problem? I dont understand why that would be an issue? I really dont feel like setting up an account at a US bank just to buy a car.

Also what is a standard deposit to make on a car? Is it 500 dollars or 1000?

[kergoz]

I keep reading posts here talking about insurance binders? Is this really necessary. I understood that once you buy the car then you just tell your insurance company the VIN and they will start insuring you from that point on. So why would you need temporary insurance first and then permanent insurance after..I am confused about this.

If I tell my insurance company that I bought the car in the USA are they going to be bothered by this or do I just tell them the VIN and the type of car and thats it.

[kergoz]

Has anyone arranged a mechanical inspection on a used car in the USA? I am tempeted to buy a 1 year old vehicle in the USA but would like it to get inspected by someone..but not sure who. If the vehicle is certified used do I need to both with an inspection?

[Lonewolf1]

I was asked for a fully refundable $500 deposit.




I was told by a New York dealer that he would only accept a cheque from a US bank. Has anyone else had this problem? I dont understand why that would be an issue? I really dont feel like setting up an account at a US bank just to buy a car.

Also what is a standard deposit to make on a car? Is it 500 dollars or 1000?

[Lonewolf1]

Hi Guys,

If you are looking to purchase a Subaru I would seriously consider Subaru of Keene, New Hampshire. I have absloutely no connection to these guys just to set the record straight. I went down to Boston last weekend with my wife (shopping) and decided to drop in on these guys before I pulled the trigger and bought. They are extreemly helpful and knowledgeable when it comes to importing. They are sending 15-20 cars a month to Canada. After meeting with them I thought about my experience and decide to buy. I got a Tribeca Limited for dealer invoice cost (they showed me the invoice fron Subaru to them but no doubt they are getting some sort of incentive). The provide a temp plate, all border papers are sent to you 'crossing of choice' and there is no sales tax in NH so that is a non-issue. I gave them a $500 fully refundable deposit (Visa) and will be going down later this month to get the car. I also stopped at the boarded (Calais, ME) and confirmed there would be no problem bring the car back. I guess you could say this was a dry run before showtime. Dave in there export guy. Tell him Doug sent you :)

Doug

[rgc97]

Over the years I've purchased three cars sight unseen in Ontario. Always ask the seller if I can have it inspected, at my expense, at the nearest dealership for that brand. Then I set up the appointment by phone, and get an oral report afterwards. Last one was with a used car dealer (Honda dealership, used car division), and he asked for a refundable $500 deposit, which I gave.

The inspection dealer can also do a computer check on the vehicle, and give you it's history, recall updates, warranty info, etc. On our last car (Mazda 3) we learned there was a transferrable 100K km extended warranty (that the seller didn't know about).

Has anyone arranged a mechanical inspection on a used car in the USA? I am tempeted to buy a 1 year old vehicle in the USA but would like it to get inspected by someone..but not sure who. If the vehicle is certified used do I need to both with an inspection?

[Monsieurmaggot]

I showed them the same printout from their website rules. The lady there was really nice and willing to help, but she showed me that when she entered the VIN number she was getting an error in the system, I guess the were trying to cross reference with the RIV and since the VIN is not in there she couldn't proceed any further.


That's odd since I got my transit permit before RIV even knew I existed.

Like everyone else, you bring you car across before you even start the RIV paperwork.

Maybe the MTO clerk knows someone at a Canadian car dealership and is trying to have you give up. (lol)

[Monsieurmaggot]

I was told by a New York dealer that he would only accept a cheque from a US bank. Has anyone else had this problem? I dont understand why that would be an issue? I really dont feel like setting up an account at a US bank just to buy a car.

Also what is a standard deposit to make on a car? Is it 500 dollars or 1000?

I went to the CIBC and asked for a Bank Draft in US funds ($6).

On the cheque, the issuing CIBC branch was listed as New York City.

Most other banks work the same way.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I keep reading posts here talking about insurance binders? Is this really necessary. I understood that once you buy the car then you just tell your insurance company the VIN and they will start insuring you from that point on. So why would you need temporary insurance first and then permanent insurance after..I am confused about this.

If I tell my insurance company that I bought the car in the USA are they going to be bothered by this or do I just tell them the VIN and the type of car and thats it.

The binder is required by most US states. You can't drive a car off the lot without some proof of insurance.

My insurance agent simply issued a letter on State Farm letterhead indicating my name, address, model and VIN number. It also showed that effective on a particular date, the vehicle in question was insured by them.

That's all that was required by my US dealer.

[bpp]

I was told by a New York dealer that he would only accept a cheque from a US bank. Has anyone else had this problem? I dont understand why that would be an issue? I really dont feel like setting up an account at a US bank just to buy a car.

Also what is a standard deposit to make on a car? Is it 500 dollars or 1000?

Many dealers have this concern since it can take up to 3 weeks (or longer) for a bank draft to clear if its drawn on a Canadian bank. A cheque drawn on a US bank will clear much quicker. Many importers get around this by wiring the funds directly to the dealer's bank account. Alternatively, Royal Bank offers an account that is drawn on a US bank or many of the foreign exchange dealers can provide you with a cheque from their US bank.

[trenton1776]

I bought a 2008 Sienna with 600 miles on it (I'll post all the details once complete) and am about to take it to Canadian Tire for the inspection. I called CT and the guy said he thinks I need an Ontario Safety Certificate.

So I called MTO. Here's the deal: If the car is brand new right out of the showroom in the US you DON'T need a safety. If the car was bought used from a US dealer you don't need a safety only if there is less then 5k or 8k km on the car (the guy wasn't sure exactly how much). Anything over this amount you do need a safety even if it's a current model year car.

The guy I spoke with only figured this out after researching for 10 minutes and was quite pleased with himself for discovering something new. Apparently it's nowhere on the website just buried somewhere in the Highway Traffic Act.

Anyone have a similar experience?

[trenton1776]

Many dealers have this concern since it can take up to 3 weeks (or longer) for a bank draft to clear if its drawn on a Canadian bank. A cheque drawn on a US bank will clear much quicker. Many importers get around this by wiring the funds directly to the dealer's bank account. Alternatively, Royal Bank offers an account that is drawn on a US bank or many of the foreign exchange dealers can provide you with a cheque from their US bank.

Even better use fx.xe.com. Best exchange rates available and they can wire directly to the US for $21. You can have the funds automatically debited from your CDN$ account, but quickest way is to go into any BMO branch and deposit it directly into XE's account. It took less than 24 hours for the funds to clear in the receivers account.

[Monky]

I was told by a New York dealer that he would only accept a cheque from a US bank. Has anyone else had this problem? I dont understand why that would be an issue? I really dont feel like setting up an account at a US bank just to buy a car.

Also what is a standard deposit to make on a car? Is it 500 dollars or 1000?


I wired the funds from RBC to the dealer directly. I also asked the dealer for a PO with the vehicle VIN etc as proof for the wire. Bank drafts usuually take weeks to clear in the US so you don't really want that.

Deposit of $500 sounds reasonable. Have it run thru your credit card which gives you options if things go wrong.

[Anonymouse]

Wow, I can't imagine wiring that kind of money to an outfit like xe with nothing more than a website and a script for parsing a currency feed. I guess some people have a higher tolerance for risk than I do. I'm not saying you have to go to a bank and pay their high fees, but maybe an established currency house like Customs House would be a bit safer.

[trenton1776]

Wow, I can't imagine wiring that kind of money to an outfit like xe with nothing more than a website and a script for parsing a currency feed. I guess some people have a higher tolerance for risk than I do. I'm not saying you have to go to a bank and pay their high fees, but maybe an established currency house like Customs House would be a bit safer.

They actually are part of Custom House Currency Exchange. It's just a different brand name they use to take advantage of xe.com's popularity.

Been using them for 5+ years, never a problem and always the best rates.

[sienna owner]

I was told by a New York dealer that he would only accept a cheque from a US bank. Has anyone else had this problem? I dont understand why that would be an issue? I really dont feel like setting up an account at a US bank just to buy a car.

Also what is a standard deposit to make on a car? Is it 500 dollars or 1000?

pm sent...but for others reading...

they may request that to show their manufacturer that it was an "american" that they sold it to.
as for deposit...depends on the dealership...i maxed my personal import as i have a rewards visa....but i only put $500 for the co-worder i helped later...in both cases it was because the vehicle had to be custom ordered to be made since there wasn't any in stock in the area.

[sienna owner]

I keep reading posts here talking about insurance binders? Is this really necessary. I understood that once you buy the car then you just tell your insurance company the VIN and they will start insuring you from that point on. So why would you need temporary insurance first and then permanent insurance after..I am confused about this.

If I tell my insurance company that I bought the car in the USA are they going to be bothered by this or do I just tell them the VIN and the type of car and thats it.

we ended up telling our insurance agent (State Farm) about what we were doing...since we were able to give them the VIN # once production of the vehicle stated, they issued a temp insurance with proper VIN # effective the date we were going to pick it up...once we had it inspected & plate in ONT...we faxed a copy of the ON title to them for their recorded.

[Anonymouse]

They actually are part of Custom House Currency Exchange. It's just a different brand name they use to take advantage of xe.com's popularity.

Yeah, I looked at the xe.com website and xe is simply a "facilitator"; your actual agreement is with Custom House. But why involve xe.com when you can do the same transaction direct with Custom House? Who knows who xe.com is selling your information to.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Wow, I can't imagine wiring that kind of money to an outfit like xe with nothing more than a website and a script for parsing a currency feed. I guess some people have a higher tolerance for risk than I do. I'm not saying you have to go to a bank and pay their high fees, but maybe an established currency house like Customs House would be a bit safer.

I transferred a TON of money through XEtrade.com. There are no worries. XE.com is the website. XEtrade actually does the exchange for you.

They are associated with Customs House brokers.

Why don't I use Customs House? I dunno. I just use XEtrade.com

I transferred $5000 directly to the dealer electronically via XEtrade.com. The rest I transferred to my US account at CIBC when the exchange rate was favourable.

When I was ready, I had a US bank draft drawn up at CIBC for $6.

Remember to keep your proof of payment AND declare this cash to US Customs when you enter to pick up your car.

[Monsieurmaggot]

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[Marzipan]

I was told by a New York dealer that he would only accept a cheque from a US bank. Has anyone else had this problem? I dont understand why that would be an issue? I really dont feel like setting up an account at a US bank just to buy a car.

Also what is a standard deposit to make on a car? Is it 500 dollars or 1000?

Consider Vancouver Bullion and Currency Exchange (http://www.vbce.info/) Last time I checked they charge $25 for wiring to the US dealer. Transfer is made same day if they get money wired from your bank by 11:00am, otherwise next day.

VBCE exchange rates were the best. Phone them to see what their total cost would be if you did it now (they lock in a rate for you for a few hours). Then trot down to you bank and price them for a USD bank draft and for a wire transfer. I think you will see a big savings here.

[jed]

Not true - Canadian dealers have a hefty markup on pdi. Their $12/hr guy spends 3 hrs on your car, and you spend $800 for this.

Not so - having been in the business, depends upon the manufacturer. With GM, PDI is not charged to the customer - it is paid to the dealership by the manufacturer. PDI may pay 1.5h @ whatever the warranty labour rate is for the dealership (this will vary depending upon door rate, technician qualifications, etc), and the pdi may or may not get done by someone qualified, or sometimes, not at all. Inspection, car wash is supposed to be covered by pdi.

Delivery (Freight) is fixed per model, and is charged on the invoice. Dealer in Yellowknife pays same as dealer in Oshawa.

Not all dealers are crooks.

[George W. Bush]

At this time I am not looking for any cars. Hopefully in the future, a car purchase would be nice - but again - not sure how gas prices will go - but something of a hybrid, or fully electric car would be nice! Probably from the US in 5 years is things are fine, and if the US does not slip into recession and big problems. Definitely informative info here for sure.

[a in yul]

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[kergoz]

I am trying to figure out what documents I should be getting if I buy a car at a dealer in the USA? If its new my understanding is that I get the MCO signed over to me, a purchase order and an invoice?? Or is the invoice and the purchase order the same form?

Is a Bill of Sale the same as the purchase order? Are these standard forms from the state or does the dealer produce them?

Title is the document you get when you buy a used car..I think? Each state has a specific form for the title I assume.

I would appreciate a definition of all this terminology as I want to make sure I have the correct forms if I buy in the USA.

Thanks..

[PJStyles]

Has anyone recently imported an Audi into Ontario? Trying to find a dealer to use so I can buy an Audi A4 2.0T. Anyone have any suggestions? Thanks

PJStyles

[yyz2hkg]

Been reading these pages for the last month and finally purchased a 2008 Audi A6 S line. The 6.1% duty with GST, PST, & shipping added another 19.8% to the purchase price. Savings in the high $K teens. One thing that happened to me was I missed the US customs at the Lewiston/Queenston bridge and drove directly through to Cdn customs (my first time through this corridor). The Cdn officer told me that Canada does not enforce the US Title rules and I do not have to drive back for them to stamp the title. I filled Form 1, showed the bill of sale, title, drivers license, and paid the duty, GST, excise tax. They didn't even look at the car. I was told that I didn't have to get the title stamped if I didn't plan to drive back to the States with that car (or I might get a ticket if I do). However, I didn't want to take any chances and turned around and went to US Customs for them to stamp the title. They didn't even look at the car, just took the title and typed a few things on their computer and gave it back to me stamped. (Yes I did fax the front & back of the title to them 3 days ahead)

Came home, faxed the Recall Clearance letter to RIV, paid the fee online and within 2 hours received the Form 2 email. Took it to CT & in no time they did the paperwork and faxed the stuff to MTO. Went to register car with all paperwork paid GST + registration and 15 mins later it was all done. Note, bring an extra copy of the bill of sale (I didn't and I had to go across the road to make a photocopy at ShoppersDM).

My personal "fear" prior to going through this was dreading all the possible worst outcomes, but having gone through this, I must admit this is a very easy and fool proof process and can be done by almost anyone reading these pages.

A big THANK YOU to one and all for all contributions to this topic. I am sincerely grateful and wish all of you the very best in your car importing endeavours.

Has anyone recently imported an Audi into Ontario? Trying to find a dealer to use so I can buy an Audi A4 2.0T. Anyone have any suggestions? Thanks

PJStyles

Congrats on the A6 S-line! I have an A3 S-line myself and these current model Audi's are simply a joy to drive and also look at (if I may add!).

Well, that answers that question of bypassing US Customs and then driving it back with temp plates. There was a topic here a few months ago regarding the rules of taking the vehicle outside the US without officially exporting it through US Customs and the wrinkles you'd face about having to wait another 72 hours (in addition to the first 72 hours).

Yes, the first time is always worrisome. But it's easy if you've got everything in order. And that's what we've been telling people here on the thread. You can DO IT YOURSELF. Avoid the extra cost of local import brokers, unless you can't be bothered (and you're willing to pay extra) or are physically incapable of importing it (border too far, etc.) or you can't handle the pressure. It's not a walk in the park, but it's not as hard as some people make it out to be, and, for me, definitely not worth it to pay somebody else to do it.

Congrats! I brought my 2008 A4 Avant over in April. Been enjoying the wheels and the savings since :)

You could try and PM these guys.

[HP_John]

At this time I am not looking for any cars. Hopefully in the future, a car purchase would be nice - but again - not sure how gas prices will go - but something of a hybrid, or fully electric car would be nice! Probably from the US in 5 years is things are fine, and if the US does not slip into recession and big problems. Definitely informative info here for sure.

I'm not trying to get you to buy a car now, but keep in mind that there is a good chance that the Cdn dollar won't be worth as much in a few yrs. Actually, many economists say by the end of 08, the Cdn dollar will hover around the $0.95 US mark. There was actually a time when Americans were getting ripped off compared to Cdns on cars, back in the days of the $1.50 US dollar or more (when $1 US = $1.50 Cdn or more).

[manitou]

Someone knows if the Port-Champlain (Lacolle) it accepts 72 hrs Fax befors cross the border?

[perfchris]

Someone knows if the Port-Champlain (Lacolle) it accepts 72 hrs Fax befors cross the border?

Champlain export control does NOT accept faxes. They only accept the original MCO and 2 copies front and back that need to be hand delivered or courriered 72 business hours in advance. They are open weekdays until 9:45 pm.

Hope this helps !

[mplsv]

I'm not trying to get you to buy a car now, but keep in mind that there is a good chance that the Cdn dollar won't be worth as much in a few yrs. Actually, many economists say by the end of 08, the Cdn dollar will hover around the $0.95 US mark. There was actually a time when Americans were getting ripped off compared to Cdns on cars, back in the days of the $1.50 US dollar or more (when $1 US = $1.50 Cdn or more).

With all due respect, HP JOHN, you couldn't be more wrong ... 100% wrong ... 180-degree, diametrically-opposed wrong. Well, sort of.

This is my first post. I have followed this thread for over a year and in the spirit of helping one another I feel I have to add to/correct the above post to help as many of you as possible. The information above is a half-truth where the dollar may be trading at that price at a low but seeing as they couldn't nail the price at $1.10 late last year as a high, I don't know if I'd put much credence in it.

Be aware that if you can wait it out, you will save another 15%-25% from here, assuming prices aren't further adjusted to parity. In the near-term, the Cdn $ will hit $1.15. Within four years, probably 2.5 (but I'll say four to cover my rear), the Cdn $ will hit $1.25. Presently, we sit at about .99 to the US $.

Feel free to bookmark this post or print it out for future reference. You can thank me later.

[Lost Horizon]

I'm not trying to get you to buy a car now, but keep in mind that there is a good chance that the Cdn dollar won't be worth as much in a few yrs. Actually, many economists say by the end of 08, the Cdn dollar will hover around the $0.95 US mark. There was actually a time when Americans were getting ripped off compared to Cdns on cars, back in the days of the $1.50 US dollar or more (when $1 US = $1.50 Cdn or more).

With all due respect, HP JOHN, you couldn't be more wrong ... 100% wrong ... 180-degree, diametrically-opposed wrong. Well, sort of.

This is my first post. I have followed this thread for over a year and in the spirit of helping one another I feel I have to add to/correct the above post to help as many of you as possible. The information above is a half-truth where the dollar may be trading at that price at a low but seeing as they couldn't nail the price at $1.10 late last year as a high, I don't know if I'd put much credence in it.

Be aware that if you can wait it out, you will save another 15%-25% from here, assuming prices aren't further adjusted to parity. In the near-term, the Cdn $ will hit $1.15. Within four years, probably 2.5 (but I'll say four to cover my rear), the Cdn $ will hit $1.25. Presently, we sit at about .99 to the US $.

Feel free to bookmark this post or print it out for future reference. You can thank me later.

+1.. I lean more to this side.. loonie futures .. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080708.wloonie0708/BNStory/Front?cid=al_gam_globeedge)

[rgc97]

The US dollar has fallen against major currencies for a few years now. And the outlook is for continuing devaluation (do a web search on 'the demise of the dollar'). Causes are their trade deficit, spending deficit, and debt load (with attendant interest costs). Their subprime problem and high oil prices have not helped.

Yet it's dangerous to time short term currency changes. And in the longer term, too many other things can change:
- who will be in power in Ottawa for the next 4 years; might future Cdn govts start running a deficit budget?
- might the world economy slow down, decreasing the demand for commodities, and decreasing/eliminating our trade surplus?
- how quickly will US vehicle prices rise in response to their devalued dollar?
- you can add to the possibilities; only death and taxes …

What to do, what to do?

1) If you can wait awhile, do so.

2) As it gets closer to your purchase date, monitor the FX rate and buy US $ when it hits your desired point (means you need to have the Cdn $ available).

3) Don’t look back and say, “I should have bought my car last November when the Cdn dollar was at 109.45 and Subaru was still giving us rebates”. Be happy with your BIG savings!

4) Spend your savings in Canada.


With all due respect, HP JOHN, you couldn't be more wrong ... 100% wrong ... 180-degree, diametrically-opposed wrong. Well, sort of.

This is my first post. I have followed this thread for over a year and in the spirit of helping one another I feel I have to add to/correct the above post to help as many of you as possible. The information above is a half-truth where the dollar may be trading at that price at a low but seeing as they couldn't nail the price at $1.10 late last year as a high, I don't know if I'd put much credence in it.

Be aware that if you can wait it out, you will save another 15%-25% from here, assuming prices aren't further adjusted to parity. In the near-term, the Cdn $ will hit $1.15. Within four years, probably 2.5 (but I'll say four to cover my rear), the Cdn $ will hit $1.25. Presently, we sit at about .99 to the US $.

Feel free to bookmark this post or print it out for future reference. You can thank me later.

[scrolllock]

With all due respect, HP JOHN, you couldn't be more wrong ... 100% wrong ... 180-degree, diametrically-opposed wrong. Well, sort of.

This is my first post. I have followed this thread for over a year and in the spirit of helping one another I feel I have to add to/correct the above post to help as many of you as possible. The information above is a half-truth where the dollar may be trading at that price at a low but seeing as they couldn't nail the price at $1.10 late last year as a high, I don't know if I'd put much credence in it.

Be aware that if you can wait it out, you will save another 15%-25% from here, assuming prices aren't further adjusted to parity. In the near-term, the Cdn $ will hit $1.15. Within four years, probably 2.5 (but I'll say four to cover my rear), the Cdn $ will hit $1.25. Presently, we sit at about .99 to the US $.

Feel free to bookmark this post or print it out for future reference. You can thank me later.

Agreed, most think the Canadian Dollar will be between 1.05 and 1.10 at the beginning of 2009.

[HP_John]

With all due respect, HP JOHN, you couldn't be more wrong ... 100% wrong ... 180-degree, diametrically-opposed wrong. Well, sort of.

This is my first post. I have followed this thread for over a year and in the spirit of helping one another I feel I have to add to/correct the above post to help as many of you as possible. The information above is a half-truth where the dollar may be trading at that price at a low but seeing as they couldn't nail the price at $1.10 late last year as a high, I don't know if I'd put much credence in it.

Be aware that if you can wait it out, you will save another 15%-25% from here, assuming prices aren't further adjusted to parity. In the near-term, the Cdn $ will hit $1.15. Within four years, probably 2.5 (but I'll say four to cover my rear), the Cdn $ will hit $1.25. Presently, we sit at about .99 to the US $.

Feel free to bookmark this post or print it out for future reference. You can thank me later.

OK, maybe that is the case now but at the start of the yr, leading economists were all projecting the Cdn dollar would trend downward, this was an article on the Sympatico homepage where most of them said they project by the end of 08, it'd only be worth $0.95 US. I don't stay up to the minute on these things, but I gave the advice on good faith that the situation wouldn't look so drastically different only half a yr later. I did not mean to tell him that he should import right now, but just to take that into consideration. I hope you're right, thanks for the info.

[mak]

1. I called a few locations in Seattle for car purchase, the gentlemen at cars101.com, Joe, told me that as of 48 before, he no longer sells to Canadian, as we are a cheap and difficult bunch, always looking for the best deals and try to haggle (Gents, keep in mind and don’t ruin it for the rest of us). I finally found a place in Bellvue that continues to sell to Canadians.


Have to say I had a good laugh at this. What does he anticipate we Canadians do, simply accept what is offered and not try to negotiate? Isn't that the American way of doing business, try to get the best price. If Canadians are classified as a cheap and difficult bunch what must the American consumer of today be like with falling home prices et al. I'm sure they don't just lie down and take what is given to them. It's unfortunate, but business is business and I'm sure there are other dealers who are more than happy to accept the sale regardless where it is coming from. After all money talks no matter the colour...

[mplsv]

I have absolutely ZERO reason to steer anyone wrong but every reason to help if I can ... and in this situation, I can.

'Lost Horizon''s reference to the Globe article helps to explain the WHY but fails to explain the WHERE ... I have given you the WHERE and if you're not in an immediate need to buy, be patient and you will be rewarded.

'rgc97', I only have one issue and that is with your #3 ... if one can wait, they won't have to use that line of thinking ... depending on one's timeline, the two targets can provide even BIGGER savings.

'HP JOHN', I apologize if I came across as a jerk. I only want to make it clear that, most often, economists are not to be viewed as prognosticators of FACT ... witness my point about the high of $1.10 not being called by anyone, although I do remember one call of $1.05 being the closest. And I remember their call of a fall in the loonie to the low 90s but again they were wrong as it never fell that low. They do well with trends but trends in this case could cost you thousands at the wrong time.

Please use this knowledge to spend your money as wisely as possible when necessary. Look at it this way ... fighting for the last $100 on the deal won't be (as) necessary when you compare the prices at the different currency rates.

[southpaw4golf]

Regarding the recently revised bumper rules, does anyone know if a 2002 Audi TT falls into the admissable without bumper modification category now? I need some clarification on this if anyone can help out.

[mangoman]

I wouldn't expect the Cdn dollar to be much above par after Nov. - once Obama's their president, their economy will turn for the better (less wasted $ in Iraq will mean more $ for their own country).

Btw Wyclef said it best this weekend in Ottawa, "F--- Geroge W. Bush!" :cheesygri

OK, maybe that is the case now but at the start of the yr, leading economists were all projecting the Cdn dollar would trend downward, this was an article on the Sympatico homepage where most of them said they project by the end of 08, it'd only be worth $0.95 US. I don't stay up to the minute on these things, but I gave the advice on good faith that the situation wouldn't look so drastically different only half a yr later. I did not mean to tell him that he should import right now, but just to take that into consideration. I hope you're right, thanks for the info.

[trenton1776]

It appears a Toyota dealership in NH is openly selling to Canadians. At least, it says so carswithoutborders.com.

The cynical me says there must be something up their sleeve or they wouldn't risk going against Toyota head office.

[Lonewolf1]

Toyota of Keene would be the dealer and they have to be connected to Subaru of Keene. They both have very similiar 'Canadian' pages on their web sites.



It appears a Toyota dealership in NH is openly selling to Canadians. At least, it says so carswithoutborders.com.

The cynical me says there must be something up their sleeve or they wouldn't risk going against Toyota head office.

[icansteve]

One of my friends who is a Toyota dealer in Canada told me that some parts for the US models could be different compare to Canadian models since we are live in very cold provinces.

Sounds like agreeable.
If so, do I need any changes once I get the car from the States to be working fine in a bloody cold weather? like antifreezer, oils?

[sienna owner]

One of my friends who is a Toyota dealer in Canada told me that some parts for the US models could be different compare to Canadian models since we are live in very cold provinces.

Sounds like agreeable.
If so, do I need any changes once I get the car from the States to be working fine in a bloody cold weather? like antifreezer, oils?

You're friend isn't really talking to you as a friend, but rather as a Toyota Dealer when he makes comments like that!!

how does it sound "agreeabel"?

so when Toyota plant gets orders from Canadian Dealers, they will program all their systems, and advise all their laborers to "add extra seals, and pay more caution when installing windows on the assembly line" cause it's going to Canada?

2 words....NICE TRY!

[icansteve]

I'm getting a car from the sourthern state soon.
It's from Las Vegas actually.
So I'm just curious if I have to change any oils, antifreezer or washer fluid at least.

That sounds agreeable to me.



You're friend isn't really talking to you as a friend, but rather as a Toyota Dealer when he makes comments like that!!

how does it sound "agreeabel"?

so when Toyota plant gets orders from Canadian Dealers, they will program all their systems, and advise all their laborers to "add extra seals, and pay more caution when installing windows on the assembly line" cause it's going to Canada?

2 words....NICE TRY!

[sienna owner]

I'm getting a car from the sourthern state soon.
It's from Las Vegas actually.
So I'm just curious if I have to change any oils, antifreezer or washer fluid at least.

That sounds agreeable to me.

no..just follow the manufacturer manual, and you'll be fine
the book is made for North American consumers, and does not distinguish between CDN and US for maintenance...it does have some *notes if you are using the vehicle in extreme conditions, but essentially the same rules apply on both sides of the border.

[Monsieurmaggot]

You're friend isn't really talking to you as a friend, but rather as a Toyota Dealer when he makes comments like that!!

how does it sound "agreeabel"?

so when Toyota plant gets orders from Canadian Dealers, they will program all their systems, and advise all their laborers to "add extra seals, and pay more caution when installing windows on the assembly line" cause it's going to Canada?

2 words....NICE TRY!

BUT.... Toyota did take out FULL PAGE ads in many Canadian papers saying THERE COULD be differences (just enough to cast doubt). It must be true!

You're not insinuating that the Canadian automotive sector are an unscrupulous bunch are you?

Remember, if you cast doubt in even one buyer, that's someone who will foresake a US sales 'cause they trust their local dealer not to lie".

Besides, they give out free hot dogs and soft drinks on "special sale daze". They wouldn't do that for just anyone. The one buyer who overpays for a Toyota by even $1000, buys the hot dogs and soft drink for the whole year.

Sadly, the dealership gets the tax credit. (You know they're writing it off as a business expense).

By the way, I was sent an email from a fellow RFDer with a link showing some Canadian Subaru (and importers) dealers are selling USED Outbacks online for more money than I paid for my fully loaded LLBean. A 2006 is on sale for $32k but the buyer saves THOUSANDS!

I paid $29k for my car and it has more options.

Go figure.

[Anonymouse]

I would buy one of those coolant gauges from Canadian Tire so you can know for sure to what temperature you are protected. They are not expensive.

Before the temperature goes below freezing, I would pump out all the windshield washer fluid or at least make sure it's strongly diluted with Canadian-winter-grade stuff.

I'd also change the oil to synthetic 5W30 or 5W20 depending on what the manual says, but that's just me and it depends on how long you plan to keep the car.

[ottofly]

You're friend isn't really talking to you as a friend, but rather as a Toyota Dealer when he makes comments like that!!

how does it sound "agreeabel"?

so when Toyota plant gets orders from Canadian Dealers, they will program all their systems, and advise all their laborers to "add extra seals, and pay more caution when installing windows on the assembly line" cause it's going to Canada?

2 words....NICE TRY!

It's amazing how many people still have no idea about importing cars and car pricing and how they're getting hosed relative to the same spec autos in the US. Most people have no clue and believe all the bullsh*t they're fed by dealers. Many even use scare tactics and horror stories about potentially having a US car you bought being inadmissable...

I passed by my Honda dealer this past Friday just to see if they're willing to budge on prices. Sales guy says sales are humming along, (8 other browsers inside) still reports selling loaded V6 Accord Coupes for $45,000 and Civic Si's for $32,000. "Why should we budge when sales have never been better since I started working here 3 years ago" was his comment.

Mind boggling and frustrating the majority of buyers still have no clue they're getting hosed.

[scrolllock]

It's amazing how many people still have no idea about importing cars and car pricing and how they're getting hosed relative to the same spec autos in the US. Most people have no clue and believe all the bullsh*t they're fed by dealers. Many even use scare tactics and horror stories about potentially having a US car you bought being inadmissable...

I passed by my Honda dealer this past Friday just to see if they're willing to budge on prices. Sales guy says sales are humming along, (8 other browsers inside) still reports selling loaded V6 Accord Coupes for $45,000 and Civic Si's for $32,000. "Why should we budge when sales have never been better since I started working here 3 years ago" was his comment.

Mind boggling and frustrating the majority of buyers still have no clue they're getting hosed.

Good point, but what if everyday in Newspapers and on the Radio on your way to work you heard or read about the Unfair Price Gouging going on.

The savvy Automobile owner understand and adapts.

But the poor sap that is married with two kids running all over trying to make ends meet, never reads or listens to car shows or the auto section.

They just see these big one page adds saying... "look at the great deals for Canadians" What if we were able to counter these adds with the truth.

With the support of everyone on this thread, CarsWithoutBorders is attempting to get that message out. We have a petition, we have polls, and we are developing a list of "Canadian Friendly" U.S. Dealers. The revenue we make from these adds and the donations we are receiving from folks all across the country will go to getting that message out to every day Canadians.

This is not a simple "text messaging" gouging by two Telephone companies, or an issue with student tuition fees being raised. This is a $6-7 billion gouging of Canadians, keeping us down and our cost of living too high.

We need your support!

Thanks
Robert Lamb and Serge Bergeron

Great Supporters of this thread and
Co Founders of www.carswithoutborders.com

[Nitrate]

It's amazing how many people still have no idea about importing cars and car pricing and how they're getting hosed relative to the same spec autos in the US. Most people have no clue and believe all the bullsh*t they're fed by dealers. Many even use scare tactics and horror stories about potentially having a US car you bought being inadmissable...

I passed by my Honda dealer this past Friday just to see if they're willing to budge on prices. Sales guy says sales are humming along, (8 other browsers inside) still reports selling loaded V6 Accord Coupes for $45,000 and Civic Si's for $32,000. "Why should we budge when sales have never been better since I started working here 3 years ago" was his comment.

Mind boggling and frustrating the majority of buyers still have no clue they're getting hosed.
Most have no idea, yes, but not all of them. In the case of Honda and Acura, the non-warranty plays an issue.

My co-worker just bought a local Honda Civic less than 1 week ago. He's got my proof of my $10K savings on an imported Toyota Sienna, he's talked to the US broker I used, he's done the math, etc. He had been researching for weeks. He was well-informed and knew exactly how much the potential savings are on the particular model he was looking at. Still he bought locally. His main issue with importing a Honda was the warranty, or lack of it after import.

Some people are just not the gambling type. Or they do not look forward to the extra work of dealing with a non-warranty if major repairs come up. Or they require the peace of mind of a manufacturer's warranty. etc. etc. etc.

My co-worker was willing to give up the import savings just to have the Canadian Honda warranty. In his mind, he did the right thing. You and I may think differently, but it is what it is.

[cinqhoda]

I wouldn't expect the Cdn dollar to be much above par after Nov. - once Obama's their president, their economy will turn for the better (less wasted $ in Iraq will mean more $ for their own country).

Btw Wyclef said it best this weekend in Ottawa, "F--- Geroge W. Bush!" :cheesygri

Actually, if Obama and the Democratically controlled congress follow through with his campaign promises (pro big government, anti business), which they probably will if he wins, they will increase the American deficit considerably. The amount of money spent in Iraq is insignificant compared to his policy spending plans. The US dollar will continue to fall.

[diigii]

If a Canadian dealer said that US-spec cars won't run properly here in Canada because they are in miles and their gas tanks are in gallons, while we are in kilometers and liters, would you believe that? So if a US car sold in Buffalo is different from a Canadian car, why does the Buffalo-area car run fine during winter?

I'd say tell your friend he needs to brush his teeth because he stinks like bull ****.

One of my friends who is a Toyota dealer in Canada told me that some parts for the US models could be different compare to Canadian models since we are live in very cold provinces.

Sounds like agreeable.
If so, do I need any changes once I get the car from the States to be working fine in a bloody cold weather? like antifreezer, oils?

[ottofly]

Most have no idea, yes, but not all of them. In the case of Honda and Acura, the non-warranty plays an issue.

My co-worker just bought a local Honda Civic less than 1 week ago. He's got my proof of my $10K savings on an imported Toyota Sienna, he's talked to the US broker I used, he's done the math, etc. He had been researching for weeks. He was well-informed and knew exactly how much the potential savings are on the particular model he was looking at. Still he bought locally. His main issue with importing a Honda was the warranty, or lack of it after import.

Some people are just not the gambling type. Or they do not look forward to the extra work of dealing with a non-warranty if major repairs come up. Or they require the peace of mind of a manufacturer's warranty. etc. etc. etc.

My co-worker was willing to give up the import savings just to have the Canadian Honda warranty. In his mind, he did the right thing. You and I may think differently, but it is what it is.

If someone has his heart set on a Honda then yes, the warranty issue is an obstacle. I also want an S2000, dealer here has a 2007 sitting on the showroom floor since at least March, but as much as I want like the car, I'm certainly not going to bend over and have him probe my anus.

Then you have people like my brother in law, probably one of the "poor saps with the 2 kids" Robert was referring to who can't be bothered and will almost robotic like, head to Honda for another Accord when his lease expires in 5 months without shopping, or looking at the competition. lol

His excuse, "If I had $25,000 cash, It would go to pay off my mortgage......" Funny thing is, he does have it, just can't be bothered. As for me, there is no rush. The consensus is the US dollar will drop further and the Canadian dollar should start to rise, as it's been lagging the recent US dollar drop the past few months. I think if our dollar rises to the levels of last November, more people will think twice about buying local.

[mangoman]

Are you kidding me? Do you actually have any idea how much has been spent on the Iraq effort per day? About $341 million!!! That's $125 billion/yr! (and I don't even know if that includes arms and support service contracts like private security/ food supply contracts for the armed forces, etc and lining the pockets of Haliburton?) any potential big jumps to the upside for the Cdn dollar will get counteracted by downturns we will soon see in the dirty processing of the oil sands due to the changing attitudes of the US to where they will source their oil from. but I digress... now we're heading into O/T land. :)

Actually, if Obama and the Democratically controlled congress follow through with his campaign promises (pro big government, anti business), which they probably will if he wins, they will increase the American deficit considerably. The amount of money spent in Iraq is insignificant compared to his policy spending plans. The US dollar will continue to fall.

[st7860]

Are you kidding me? Do you actually have any idea how much has been spent on the Iraq effort per day? About $341 million!!! That's $125 billion/yr! (and I don't even know if that includes arms and support service contracts like private security/ food supply contracts for the armed forces, etc and lining the pockets of Haliburton?) any potential big jumps to the upside for the Cdn dollar will get counteracted by downturns we will soon see in the dirty processing of the oil sands due to the changing attitudes of the US to where they will source their oil from.

oil sands are rumoured to emit co2 however.

[sienna owner]

If someone has his heart set on a Honda then yes, the warranty issue is an obstacle. I also want an S2000, dealer here has a 2007 sitting on the showroom floor since at least March, but as much as I want like the car, I'm certainly not going to bend over and have him probe my anus.

Then you have people like my brother in law, probably one of the "poor saps with the 2 kids" Robert was referring to who can't be bothered and will almost robotic like, head to Honda for another Accord when his lease expires in 5 months without shopping, or looking at the competition. lol

His excuse, "If I had $25,000 cash, It would go to pay off my mortgage......" Funny thing is, he does have it, just can't be bothered. As for me, there is no rush. The consensus is the US dollar will drop further and the Canadian dollar should start to rise, as it's been lagging the recent US dollar drop the past few months. I think if our dollar rises to the levels of last November, more people will think twice about buying local.

so help him out by offering to do some of the work with him..like you said he can't be bother, but with 2 kids you would think he'd be more willing to save $$...of course, if he's lazy, than can't really help him much....maybe he's intimidating like so many about the whole import process...lucky him he has you...

[zircon]

If someone has his heart set on a Honda then yes, the warranty issue is an obstacle. I also want an S2000, dealer here has a 2007 sitting on the showroom floor since at least March, but as much as I want like the car, I'm certainly not going to bend over and have him probe my anus.

Then you have people like my brother in law, probably one of the "poor saps with the 2 kids" Robert was referring to who can't be bothered and will almost robotic like, head to Honda for another Accord when his lease expires in 5 months without shopping, or looking at the competition. lol

His excuse, "If I had $25,000 cash, It would go to pay off my mortgage......" Funny thing is, he does have it, just can't be bothered. As for me, there is no rush. The consensus is the US dollar will drop further and the Canadian dollar should start to rise, as it's been lagging the recent US dollar drop the past few months. I think if our dollar rises to the levels of last November, more people will think twice about buying local.

My family used to buy only Honda/Acura. When time came to replace our 2nd CRV, I instead bought a 07 Lexus hybrid (4K miles) for about 5k more than a loaded CRV in Canada. Go figure. I wanted to replace my Acura tsx with another one, but am not keen on the new model's looks or lack of significant improvement. Almost bought the same model I have (04) as an 08 in the USA with <2K miles. The tsx is a great car with a stick. Dealer wanted 400$ hidden paperwork fee so I told him he could keep his car (was ~11600 cheaper than MSRP of same vehicle in Canada, after paying duty of 6.1%). Today I moved away from Honda/Acura and bought an 08 Audi TT 2.0 turbo. Will pick up in 10 days. Always wary of German reliability, but the car is certified for another >5 yrs, or 91000 miles. Saving ~19K after taxes. Canadian Acura/Honda dealers have now lost my family's business for the next 5-6 years. If this Audi is reliable, Honda will have lost my family forever. So to Honda Canada, I give a middle finger salute.

[mplsv]

Are you kidding me? Do you actually have any idea how much has been spent on the Iraq effort per day? About $341 million!!! That's $125 billion/yr! (and I don't even know if that includes arms and support service contracts like private security/ food supply contracts for the armed forces, etc and lining the pockets of Haliburton?) any potential big jumps to the upside for the Cdn dollar will get counteracted by downturns we will soon see in the dirty processing of the oil sands due to the changing attitudes of the US to where they will source their oil from. but I digress... now we're heading into O/T land. :)

'mangoman', you'd best be served by going back and reading my posts ... the two targets won't be "counteracted" by anything. You really have no idea what's coming.

[ottofly]

so help him out by offering to do some of the work with him..like you said he can't be bother, but with 2 kids you would think he'd be more willing to save $$...of course, if he's lazy, than can't really help him much....maybe he's intimidating like so many about the whole import process...lucky him he has you...

I've been tryin to help for the past few months, knowing that his lease is up by the end of the year. Have gone through the whole process with him, several times. Short of lending cash.....and I really don't wanna go there.

His claim is he simply doesnt have that kind of liqiud cash, and if he did, he has other places to put it. So like the rest of the sheeple, he'll go into Honda, sit down with the same sales guy who sold him his previous 2 Accords, and lease another one after sales guy gives him a new car with maybe 10 bucks less on his previous monthly payments. Everyone goes home happy.

How pathetic, many Canadian car buyers act in exactly the same manner, hence the great June sales here. I still have 5 months to convince him.

[zircon]

I actually enjoy the bartering process. First I scanned Autotrader.com and cars.com for about 2 months, seeing what was available and at what price. Then once I find a car I like, make initial contact with dealer. It is interesting to see how knowledgable they are about their cars, and whether they know their car is priced high, low or typical. When I bought the Lexus, the Lexus dealer and I traded email for a couple days, then when we were close I called and we talked. We were close but I would not give him what he wanted, so I pleasantly ended the conversation with a nice email to him. He thanked me and that was it. But, the next day he got back to me and accepted my last offer. So, he was playing for more $. The 08 Acura tsx with nav. I was going after was quoted at 26995, and initially he would not negotiate at all. After a month, I contacted him and he was ready to deal as a new one (end of the lot had incentives and was going to 26500 to smart buyers). We settled on 26400. I would have bought it, and warned him that price was final. He tried to add his $400 paperwork fee, so that is where I ended it - he was still playing games. My negotiations on the Audi were similar to the Lexus: I offered 1250 less than what the already very good price was, ended up $1000 less. At first he balked and wanted more, so I then pleasantly said I was beyond my limit and thanked him for his time (by email). A day later he got back to me and the deal is done. So, be pleasant, expect your offer to be refused, but if it truly is close to what they expect, they will get back in touch with you. You have to be ready to walk away, though, or you lose face. The US is in recession, and if you are not trying to steal the car, you will get a deal.

I have a CITI mastercard, and recall a few hundred posts back that people got CITI to allow them to collect their rebates on US sourced cars. Awesome.

[mangoman]

Hmm I'm not sure I remember saying anything against what you posted - I was replying to cinqhoda? In terms of the Cdn dollar, much of it's current value is now being attributed to the strength in commodities such as oil but as our neighbours to the South slowly realize how much pollution is produced just by trying to extract it from the Oil Sands, a lot of the production will be scaled back since they won't be buying unless there are "green" penalties paid by the companies (unless we sell everything to China and India). Of course this won't happen overnight but things will start to go in that direction only after Nov.

Also, if the Cdn dollar keeps getting higher, we will lose out even more as any services we sell to the US will cost even more to them so why would they want to buy from us? Do you think the Bank of Canada would leave rates the same at that point? There's a reason they've been keeping the rates steady right now - they need that maneuvering room for later this year to keep the dollar in check.

So bottom line, I don't think the Cdn dollar will be lower in Nov than it is now but I don't think that it will be hitting 1.25 (not unless we learn to trade with European countries to meet their green regulations).

But of course I'm no fortune teller and I'm quite content purchasing at par (I've seen the average selling price of a certain non-hybrid used fuel-efficient car go up about 15-20% in the past 3 months due to the price of gas going up and this car is 2yrs old so remember to factor that in to the whole equation in addition to trying to time things with the exchange rate).

'mangoman', you'd best be served by going back and reading my posts ... the two targets won't be "counteracted" by anything. You really have no idea what's coming.

[BBTing]

It seems to me that the auto manufacturer determines what is admissable from the USA to Canada. RIV only bases on their info and complete the admissable list. Is that correct ?

If that is true, how come Toyota who is trying hard to block the US dealers from selling new to the Canadians, still lists their 2008 and 2009 models in the admissable list ?

In the latest RIV list, it lists all 2009 Toyota and Lexus as admissable. I would read that as including the upcoming 2009 Venza, agreed ?

Do I need to wait for Venza appears explicitly in the RIV list before I can import it ? Or I can just ask Toyota USA to issue a letter stating Venza is admissable.

Any input will be appreciated!

[mplsv]

Are you kidding me? Do you actually have any idea how much has been spent on the Iraq effort per day? About $341 million!!! That's $125 billion/yr! (and I don't even know if that includes arms and support service contracts like private security/ food supply contracts for the armed forces, etc and lining the pockets of Haliburton?) any potential big jumps to the upside for the Cdn dollar will get counteracted by downturns we will soon see in the dirty processing of the oil sands due to the changing attitudes of the US to where they will source their oil from. but I digress... now we're heading into O/T land. :)

Hmm I'm not sure I remember saying anything against what you posted - I was replying to cinqhoda? In terms of the Cdn dollar, much of it's current value is now being attributed to the strength in commodities such as oil but as our neighbours to the South slowly realize how much pollution is produced just by trying to extract it from the Oil Sands, a lot of the production will be scaled back since they won't be buying unless there are "green" penalties paid by the companies (unless we sell everything to China and India). Of course this won't happen overnight but things will start to go in that direction only after Nov.

Also, if the Cdn dollar keeps getting higher, we will lose out even more as any services we sell to the US will cost even more to them so why would they want to buy from us? Do you think the Bank of Canada would leave rates the same at that point? There's a reason they've been keeping the rates steady right now - they need that maneuvering room for later this year to keep the dollar in check.

So bottom line, I don't think the Cdn dollar will be lower in Nov than it is now but I don't think that it will be hitting 1.25 (not unless we learn to trade with European countries to meet their green regulations).

But of course I'm no fortune teller and I'm quite content purchasing at par (I've seen the average selling price of a certain non-hybrid used fuel-efficient car go up about 15-20% in the past 3 months due to the price of gas going up and this car is 2yrs old so remember to factor that in to the whole equation in addition to trying to time things with the exchange rate).

I'd rather not get into shooting down arguments as to why it will do what I know it will do ... like I stated, bookmark the post and see how prescient I was. Those that want to take advantage of what's coming can thank me later. Look at it this way ... who's going to give you the winning numbers to the currency lottery? I just did.

[liamoforange]

Hi,

So my question is, knowing the US invoice price, is there anyway to negotiate with a Canadian dealer to within say 10% of that price?

I am looking at a Taurus and there is a $10k difference in price.

Are there certain models that are better to get? is there a chart somewhere of the US cars that are the best bargains?

Thank you.

[PMREdmonton]

Hi,

So my question is, knowing the US invoice price, is there anyway to negotiate with a Canadian dealer to within say 10% of that price?

I am looking at a Taurus and there is a $10k difference in price.

Are there certain models that are better to get? is there a chart somewhere of the US cars that are the best bargains?

Thank you.

It probably makes more sense to think of what functionality/features/attributes you want in a car and prepapre a list. Then you could do some comparison shopping between what can be negotiated at a Canadian dealership versus what deal you can get in the USA (edmunds has a good feature in their forums section for people's buying experience and price paid for different car models).

If you want to talk about big bargains, those are usually most pronounced for high end luxury cars which is not what you are shopping for.

Since you bring up the Taurus, I assume you are looking for a full-size sedan. I guess the relevant comparisons would be Nissan Maxima, Toyota Avalon, Chevy Impala, Hyundai Azera, Chrysler 300, Honda Accord.

A couple things to keep in mind - you can always use a broker go get around US dealers not wanting to sell to Canadians. Ford and Toyota will honour warranties. Nissan will if the car has been titled in the US 6 months prior to importation. Chrysler, Hyundai and Honda won't honour warranties.

I hope that helps a little bit.

[liamoforange]

PMREdmonton - thank you for your answer, it was most helpful.

Yes we are looking for a full size Sedan, we have a Sable wagon now, but have also looked at possibly a smaller SUV, as mileage is sadly becoming an issue with spiralling gas prices. When we bought our Sable 8 years ago we actually got gas for $0.49/l if you can imagine.

I did some searching and saw what invoice was on a Taurus in the US. Locally they want in the $35k+ price range for a Limited, and those appear much less in the US.

One thing I did notice is that on used cars the deals are not quite as good as on new cars, they seem to level a lot quicker... at least on the Taurus models from 2008.

Doing the buying myself isn't scary, just the warranty issue, which is why I would like to stick to a model where it will never be an issue, and that list of manufacturers seems to be shrinking.

Thank you.

[Nitrate]

It probably makes more sense to think of what functionality/features/attributes you want in a car and prepapre a list. Then you could do some comparison shopping between what can be negotiated at a Canadian dealership versus what deal you can get in the USA This reply is for liamoforange. Further to the quote above, when you do compare, do it apples to apples. Some Canadian models have different options, packages, or features from their American counterparts though they bear the same trim/model name. Keep that in mind when comparing prices.

[mangoman]

Hey no worries - you're entitled to your opinion but if you have the actual Super 7 or Lotto 6/49 numbers, please PM them to me, ok? :lol:

I'd rather not get into shooting down arguments as to why it will do what I know it will do ... like I stated, bookmark the post and see how prescient I was. Those that want to take advantage of what's coming can thank me later. Look at it this way ... who's going to give you the winning numbers to the currency lottery? I just did.

[hieppo]

Can someone help me and letting me know a Mazda dealer that will sell NEW to Canadian?

The only one that I couild find was a broker service which are asking way more than what is the current norm for the vehicle. This is according to Edmunds.com.

Anyway, on top of the higher price I have to pay to truck it up to the border. Now I don't mind paying for the trucking service if I save a bit more on the price of the car.

I am just trying to save every penny if I can.

Thanks

[DSTU]

Can someone help me and letting me know a Mazda dealer that will sell NEW to Canadian?

The only one that I couild find was a broker service which are asking way more than what is the current norm for the vehicle. This is according to Edmunds.com.

Anyway, on top of the higher price I have to pay to truck it up to the border. Now I don't mind paying for the trucking service if I save a bit more on the price of the car.

I am just trying to save every penny if I can.

Thanks

Have you contacted any Mazda dealers - I think that would be Step 1.

[hieppo]

I did contact a few but only around the NY area. It was a start because it was near home but possibly not a good start because they all said they can't sell to Canadian or they lose their franchise.

Should I contact further south? How far south should I try? Would they sell it directly to you and provide the MCO? Or do they need to have a US residence address in which case State taxes may be applied?

Thanks for helping

[hieppo]

Call some in Michigan. They all seem to have the same answer. The MazdaUSA corporate office has pass down the message not to directly sell to non-US residence.

Guess I go buy a Subaru then.

I was reading one thread about setting up a virtual company. Could that user please contact me and help me out?

Thanks

[mplsv]

Hey no worries - you're entitled to your opinion but if you have the actual Super 7 or Lotto 6/49 numbers, please PM them to me, ok? :lol:

how about reading the title of my post again ... FACT is FACT ... nowhere is there written "opinion". You have an opinion that will be proven wrong whereas I have the numbers that will make you a winner.

[mangoman]

Ok that's nice to know ... your advice (you can call it a FACT in the future when your 50/50 prophecy has been fulfilled) has been taken into account... now back to our regular scheduled programming on the details of how to import vehicles from the U.S. :razz:

how about reading the title of my post again ... FACT is FACT ... nowhere is there written "opinion". You have an opinion that will be proven wrong whereas I have the numbers that will make you a winner.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Hi,

So my question is, knowing the US invoice price, is there anyway to negotiate with a Canadian dealer to within say 10% of that price?

I am looking at a Taurus and there is a $10k difference in price.

Are there certain models that are better to get? is there a chart somewhere of the US cars that are the best bargains?

Thank you.

You are speaking my language. I too went from a Taurus to a US Car.

I ended up buying a Subaru Outback since they are marketed as mid-level cars in the US. In Canada Subaru is trying to pass them off as a premium brand. Which explains their $15k+ premium. The price difference is HUGE in Canada and it's not a premium line of cars. I think overall, it's the best value out there for a mid-grade vehicle.

Don't get me wrong. The Subarus are great cars. I would catagorize them as nicer than the Hondas and Toyotas. They are like Honda's Acura line. Not quite a Lexus or Infinit. I decided on the Subaru after reading their reviews at Consumer reports and IIHS.org. In fact my insurance agent told me of all the cars I was looking at (Volvo, Audi, Mazda Wagon) the Subaru's high IIHS rating would ensure lower insurance premiums. Turns out that the Outback costs me just over $140 more per year to insure than the Taurus.

While the Subaru is far from a premium car, it blows the Taurus completely out of the water on all counts. Fit, finish, design and hopefully reliability.

[Tuppin]

This September we will have had our Tribeca for 2 years.....it has worked flawlessly! My father bought a Tribeca in the US as well and now he wants to get an Altima as a replacement for his second car...an older Cavalier.

Has Nissan changed their warranty? Is it still necessary to have one 6 months old to get warranty or have they instigated a no-warranty on US cars policy?

[HP_John]

Hi,

So my question is, knowing the US invoice price, is there anyway to negotiate with a Canadian dealer to within say 10% of that price?

I am looking at a Taurus and there is a $10k difference in price.

Are there certain models that are better to get? is there a chart somewhere of the US cars that are the best bargains?

Thank you.

I imported & support importing with the way prices are, but you have to be realistic. If there is a $10 K difference, that means the Cdn dealer's invoice cost is a lot higher than the US dealer. Asking a Cdn dealer to sell within 10% of the US invoice when there's a $10 K difference in MSRP is asking them to sell at a big loss. Just import the car instead.

[mplsv]

Ok that's nice to know ... your advice (you can call it a FACT in the future when your 50/50 prophecy has been fulfilled) has been taken into account... now back to our regular scheduled programming on the details of how to import vehicles from the U.S. :razz:

Sorry you're still having problems acknowledging it as FACT. It is 100% correct. Just like knowing that I'm going to eat pasta tonight, I know what is coming in the currency markets.

There is no new information that hasn't already been discussed ad nauseum here but I like how you try to change the subject.

Buying in the States saves you thousands ... taking my advice saves you thousands ... taking your advice COSTS people thousands. Thanks, but no thanks, for your opinion.

[Monsieurmaggot]

We broke 2 million reads. Now closing in on 1000 pages of discussions.

Man this thread is a juggernaut.

[fewww]

I'm planning to import a new Audi soon. Can anyone please let me know which dealer will sell to Canadians? Thanks a lot!

[Danno2005]

With all due respect, HP JOHN, you couldn't be more wrong ... 100% wrong ... 180-degree, diametrically-opposed wrong. Well, sort of.

This is my first post. I have followed this thread for over a year and in the spirit of helping one another I feel I have to add to/correct the above post to help as many of you as possible. The information above is a half-truth where the dollar may be trading at that price at a low but seeing as they couldn't nail the price at $1.10 late last year as a high, I don't know if I'd put much credence in it.

Be aware that if you can wait it out, you will save another 15%-25% from here, assuming prices aren't further adjusted to parity. In the near-term, the Cdn $ will hit $1.15. Within four years, probably 2.5 (but I'll say four to cover my rear), the Cdn $ will hit $1.25. Presently, we sit at about .99 to the US $.

Feel free to bookmark this post or print it out for future reference. You can thank me later.

I am quite interested in your post. Can you give any hints as to why you are so certain on the Cdn dollar value?

Thanks!!

[cinqhoda]

Hmm I'm not sure I remember saying anything against what you posted - I was replying to cinqhoda? In terms of the Cdn dollar, much of it's current value is now being attributed to the strength in commodities such as oil but as our neighbours to the South slowly realize how much pollution is produced just by trying to extract it from the Oil Sands, a lot of the production will be scaled back since they won't be buying unless there are "green" penalties paid by the companies (unless we sell everything to China and India). Of course this won't happen overnight but things will start to go in that direction only after Nov.

Also, if the Cdn dollar keeps getting higher, we will lose out even more as any services we sell to the US will cost even more to them so why would they want to buy from us? Do you think the Bank of Canada would leave rates the same at that point? There's a reason they've been keeping the rates steady right now - they need that maneuvering room for later this year to keep the dollar in check.

So bottom line, I don't think the Cdn dollar will be lower in Nov than it is now but I don't think that it will be hitting 1.25 (not unless we learn to trade with European countries to meet their green regulations).

But of course I'm no fortune teller and I'm quite content purchasing at par (I've seen the average selling price of a certain non-hybrid used fuel-efficient car go up about 15-20% in the past 3 months due to the price of gas going up and this car is 2yrs old so remember to factor that in to the whole equation in addition to trying to time things with the exchange rate).

The sentiment in the US is showing that the environment is taking a distant backseat to energy prices and the deteriorating economy (which is pretty much to due high energy prices). Two years ago, you couldn't find a US politician who advocated drilling off of coastal waters and Anwar. Now it seems to be coming up a lot more and without much outrage from the public. Besides, if the US doesn't want Canadian oil, China and India will buy it. Good luck to Obama in instituting the largest tax increase since the 1930's. That should help the economy. The US dollar will continue to fall.

[mplsv]

I am quite interested in your post. Can you give any hints as to why you are so certain on the Cdn dollar value?

Thanks!!

I could list, endlessly, a number of reasons why it will go where it will. If you understand why our dollar was at 62 cents this decade you will have an idea as to why it will be at double that value in this new environment which, more so in the U.S., is only now becoming clear to the general public how ugly things will get.

The U.S. dollar is dead. There is nothing being done to turn the ill-fated ship into a new direction. Any and every currency will benefit with respect to their dollar to varying degrees. Look at the price of gold over the last seven years ... it presents the picture as clear as day.

If you've got time to research, spend about an hour or two reading the commentaries on KITCO.com (middle of the page) ... just one site that provides good insight into the five Ws and H.

You're welcome.

[sienna owner]

I'm planning to import a new Audi soon. Can anyone please let me know which dealer will sell to Canadians? Thanks a lot!

i know there are dealers mentioned..use the "search thread" function at the top right...good luck

[manitou]

Can someone help me and letting me know a Mazda dealer that will sell NEW to Canadian?

The only one that I couild find was a broker service which are asking way more than what is the current norm for the vehicle. This is according to Edmunds.com.

Anyway, on top of the higher price I have to pay to truck it up to the border. Now I don't mind paying for the trucking service if I save a bit more on the price of the car.

I am just trying to save every penny if I can.

Thanks

Hi hieppo, made like me! I sent an e-mail a 4 Acura dealership whenever I replied, all said they can not sell to Canadian ..... and I replied: Thank you but I find dealers thank you!
And then it all turned me an e-mail they can with a price or stuff so I can buy! I just bought a TSX 2009. Sorry for my English!

[Monsieurmaggot]

Hi hieppo, made like me! I sent an e-mail a 4 Acura dealership whenever I replied, all said they can not sell to Canadian ..... and I replied: Thank you but I find dealers thank you!
And then it all turned me an e-mail they can with a price or stuff so I can buy! I just bought a TSX 2009. Sorry for my English!

Funny how that works.

You tell them thanks as you found someone who will and all of a sudden they're willing to sell you a car.

With the US economy in near-collapse (I just hear another bank failed yesterday - reminds of "It's a Wonderful Life"), soon the Bush peso won't be worth anything to the world market.

I've read rumblings that since the US is a mature market with very little growth potential, I'm guess the tide will be turning to having commodities trade using the Euro as the basis. The only reason it hasn't happened yet (My opinion remember) is that speculators are making money on two fronts: buying the commodity and then profiting on the differences in spread between the US dollar and the Euros.

I've received emails from people saying that while we complain in Canada, there are even bigger price disparities on vehicles in Europe. It's really noticeable between some countries using the Euro.

[Lookin' for deals]

Congratulations Monsieurmaggot on winning the Most Helpful Thread !:cheesygri :lol:

[sienna owner]

Congratulations Monsieurmaggot on winning the Most Helpful Thread !:cheesygri :lol:

+1

[shopper-X]

Congratulations Monsieurmaggot on winning the Most Helpful Thread !:cheesygri :lol:

Way to Go!

[ottofly]

Congratulations Monsieurmaggot on winning the Most Helpful Thread !:cheesygri :lol:


Awesome and well deserved.

Congratulations!!

[mplsv]

Congratulations Monsieurmaggot on winning the Most Helpful Thread !:cheesygri :lol:

You deserve this for getting the ball rolling ... good on ya.

[hieppo]

Drumroll please. What is the prize?? :)

BTW, seem the dealers around the border are hung by two balls rather than just one for dealers farther away from the border. I think corporate headquarter enforce the rule more so for those closer by.

Anyway, I am still waiting to get some quotes. But it seem allt will not sell unless you have some sort of US address. But some won't even bother quoting a price because they know I am from Canada up front. Their loss I guess.

[johnsa]

Yeah!

[Lost Horizon]

Congratulations Monsieurmaggot on winning the Most Helpful Thread !:cheesygri :lol:

Was there ever any doubt... well done..

[Monsieurmaggot]

Thanks to everyone who voted for the thread.

I appreciate all your votes.

The thread is so popular 'cause the words getting out, most cars in Canada are overpriced.

People can confirm this themselves....

[diigii]

CONGRATULATIONS MONSIEURMAGGOT FOR STARTING THIS THREAD AND HELPING CANADIANS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY (ME INCLUDED) SAVE TENS OF THOUSANDS CAD$$$$ WHO DESERVED A BREAK FROM THE SKY HIGH PRICES WE PAY OVER HERE IN CANADA FROM SLIMY CANADIAN DEALERS AND THEIR RESPECTIVE CANADIAN HEAD OFFICES. YOU DESERVE THE ORDER OF CANADA!! REMEMBER, A DRINK OR TWO IS ON ME ANYTIME, ANYWHERE IN THE GTA OR WHEREVER WE WILL MEET. AND MY OFFER HAS NO EXPIRY DATE. :cheesygri

[cinqhoda]

...REMEMBER, A DRINK OR TWO IS ON ME ANYTIME, ANYWHERE IN THE GTA OR WHEREVER WE WILL MEET. AND MY OFFER HAS NO EXPIRY DATE. :cheesygri

Yet another perfect example of contributing to the Canadian economy with your savings!!!

Congrats Monsieur!!!

[scrolllock]

Yet another perfect example of contributing to the Canadian economy with your savings!!!

Congrats Monsieur!!!

Yes Congrats to Monsieur and all those Canadians contributing to help spread the word.

If enough Canadians make noise and shop in the U.S. prices will come down in Canada!

[MMMM]

Sort of part of the hijack but it does pertain to a car purchase:

Originally Posted by mplsv
Actually, you've done a wonderful job of showing yourself without clothes and it doesn't look very appealing ... take my suggestion and read those commentaries on KITCO, you might just learn something.

Now, trying to make yourself look better by pointing the finger when it's all here for everyone to see is a child's way of saying they didn't eat the cookie when there's a mess on their face ... I prefaced a previous post by stating "Without wanting to sound like a jerk" to make it clear that I don't want to have issues but you took it to another level, so here we stand. Nice try though.

My enlightenment encountered static, your static, so I have to clear the air of ignorance ... sorry you can't deal with FACTS.

Originally Posted by mplsv
how about reading the title of my post again ... FACT is FACT ... nowhere is there written "opinion". You have an opinion that will be proven wrong whereas I have the numbers that will make you a winner.

So I need to know when is the best time to purchase the Honda S2000 CR I so badly need. You seem to be able to predict the future with 100% accuracy. The FACTS of this particular date would be most appreciated. + or - a few hours would be perfect. Then I will stick my available cash into whatever fabulous money making idea Kitco.com suggests. Possibly like buying an insightfull book about the upcomming financial apocalypse. Possibly though the only thing insightfull about the the book is how the writer profits from spreading a lot of crap. Possibly the most insightfull thoughts on the website is the disclaimer at the bottom. Disclaimer (http://www.kitco.com/market/disclamer.html)

Once you have given me the date and my wife says I can purchase the car because I will have made enough cash utilizing the stupendous money making concepts on Kitco.com. Then I will purchase my Honda S2000 CR (with no warrenty cause I don't give a damn).

Funny thing though, I would rather say thanks to someone who has put a lot of effort into someone like MONSIEURMAGGOT, because that person deserves to be recognized. And if my wife reads this thread....I really need a Honda S2000 CR.

[superdeals]

+1

+2!! My favorite OP!! Thanks for this!!

[mplsv]

Sort of part of the hijack but it does pertain to a car purchase:





So I need to know when is the best time to purchase the Honda S2000 CR I so badly need. You seem to be able to predict the future with 100% accuracy. The FACTS of this particular date would be most appreciated. + or - a few hours would be perfect. Then I will stick my available cash into whatever fabulous money making idea Kitco.com suggests. Possibly like buying an insightfull book about the upcomming financial apocalypse. Possibly though the only thing insightfull about the the book is how the writer profits from spreading a lot of crap. Possibly the most insightfull thoughts on the website is the disclaimer at the bottom. Disclaimer (http://www.kitco.com/market/disclamer.html)

Once you have given me the date and my wife says I can purchase the car because I will have made enough cash utilizing the stupendous money making concepts on Kitco.com. Then I will purchase my Honda S2000 CR (with no warrenty cause I don't give a damn).

Funny thing though, I would rather say thanks to someone who has put a lot of effort into someone like MONSIEURMAGGOT, because that person deserves to be recognized. And if my wife reads this thread....I really need a Honda S2000 CR.

Sort of hijacking? Either you are or you aren't ... and seeing as how I've offered legitimate opportunities to save as much as the savings offered by buying in the States, it can't be hijacking ... this is ON topic.

So you want me to hold your hand for you. I guess it's not enough that I just gave you the potential to save thousands by telling you what the minimum targets are for the CDN dollar in the near future and a few years out. You want the date of each target? All right ... the date is the day, month and year when those targets are hit ... when they are hit, you'll know the day and that's the day you buy U.S. dollars.

As for advising people like you, who clearly need to do some research, to read the CONTRIBUTED COMMENTARIES section (second box of six in the middle of the page), the suggestion wasn't to obtain investment advice from advertisers or anyone on the site ... go back and read my other post as to why I suggested the reading ... maybe if you didn't have reading comprehension and/or retention problems, you wouldn't have gone on aimlessly.

With all due respect, you're about as ignorant as 'mangoman', maybe more so. What does an insightful book have anything to do with my suggested reading on KITCO.COM? Are you the type that believes the Amazing Kreskin really is amazing? When did KITCO suggest any money-making ideas? And when did I advise you look into anything besides the commentaries?

Re: recognition and 'Monsieurmaggot'. So what does that have to do with my request for a "thanks" when the time comes that the two targets are hit (assuming all the factors present today don't change for the better, limiting the potential savings)? I don't remember ever saying he doesn't deserve anything or that he didn't put in a lot of work. You seem to be making this into something that it's not.

What actually is funny though, is after reading that drivel, I can't help but think you are either wasted out of your mind via drugs and/or alcohol, or just a complete write-off, or BOTH. Good luck with that S2000.

[inspire]

I've read rumblings that since the US is a mature market with very little growth potential, I'm guess the tide will be turning to having commodities trade using the Euro as the basis. The only reason it hasn't happened yet (My opinion remember) is that speculators are making money on two fronts: buying the commodity and then profiting on the differences in spread between the US dollar and the Euros.

I've received emails from people saying that while we complain in Canada, there are even bigger price disparities on vehicles in Europe. It's really noticeable between some countries using the Euro.

Thing is in Europe, there are some huge differences in local taxes, despite a unified currency. I mean, the road taxes in the UK are enormous. And some of the environmental levys in Sweden and other 'high tax' areas ... I can see why some Europeans are venting at the huge disparities in price on the same commodity.

But going back on topic, I'm glad this thread is here and wanted to wish congrats to MM for winning the most useful thread award. You've saved me close to $10k on the 2 cars I've bought. My wife would be driving a Civic (instead of a TSX) for the same money and I'd have spent $4500 more buying my G37. :D

PS Can those who are bickering at one another use the private message instead of hijacking this very useful thread?

[Matty]

I'm sending this letter -- via Canada Post, not as an email -- to the offices of the presidents of all Canadian car manufacturers whose physical addresses I can find. I also need the names of those presidents; any names/addresses/info you can find and post here as a direct reply to this post would be appreciated.

I also invite those who want to copy my letter to do so, but as always, it's best to change up the text quite a bit to not let all our letters appear like the dastardly form letters we ourselves are so annoyed at getting from the car companies when they write back to us! And mail them, don't email them.

I hope I'm on the right track with this. Any advice welcomed.

"I, representing all Canadian car buyers, demand that you reduce the Canadian MSRPs of all your models to within 3 % of those in the US. The discrepancy of the prices here in Canada vs those in the US are huge, and it's insulting.

In fact, judging from postings at redflagdeals.com and Edmunds.com, your refusal to adequately reduce prices has angered many, many people to the point that not only will they never buy a car from you ever again, but these people have now embarked on active, determined campaigns of destroying your brand in a public forum. These are astute, savvy consumers who sure know what they're talking about, and I'm beginning to think perhaps I too should no longer consider your cars.

And do you realise that every time you're quoted -- either in your knee-jerk form letter replies to emails about pricing, or in newspaper or magazine articles -- that price differences are due to bigger windshield fluid tanks, alternators and batteries, or how used-car sales will be affected, you are absolutely infuriating people?

Stop harping about "harsh Canadian winters" -- they've existed in the US since the beginning of time. Similarly, do you think we don't know that some parts of Canada are farther south than parts of California? And do you think we're too stupid to realise that all technology, from computers and cameras to machinery and medical equipment, emerges every year both cheaper and more advanced, making all used items much lower in value? That's economics in a consumer society! It's always been this way, and it's the norm. Cars are no exception.

The point I made two paragraphs back is so important that I need to repeat it. No, rather I'll paraphrase using easier-to-understand terms: Your lame excuses, ones that are hardly borne in truth, are pissing people off.

I am a life-long car enthusiast, and an avid researcher. I am the automatic "go to guy" for car-shopping help for at least 3 families, who own a total of 4 cars. This means I actually have strong control over all the vehicles that will end up in their driveways. I'm very, very interested in this whole Canadian vs US pricing issue, reading redflagdeals.com's and Edmunds.com's dedicated forums every single day, and I take every opportunity to enlighten those around me, urging them strongly to not buy any vehicle in Canada, steering them instead to the US.

I currently need to buy 2 new cars, and I will be importing both from the US, unless I can get them in Canada for within 3% of the American prices (duty taken into consideration of course, if applicable). Via these two online forums, I've read the advice from hundreds of Canadians who've imported their cars from the US, and as you know, it's easier than ever with the Canadian government recently helping ease the immobilizer and bumper issues.

The Canadian dollar has been in the US$.95 - .98 region for months, and all indications are that it is staying close to it for a long time. It is time to lower your MSRPs to near-parity levels.

And to stop infuriating the very people who keep you in business.

Regards,
Mr. Matty
Ontario

[mplsv]

I'm sending this letter -- via Canada Post, not as an email -- to the offices of the presidents of all Canadian car manufactures whose physical addresses I can find. I also need the names of those presidents; any names/addresses/info you can find and post here as a direct reply to this post would be appreciated.

I also invite those who want to copy my letter to do so, but as always, it's best to change up the text quite a bit to not let all our letters appear like the dastardly form letters we ourselves are so annoyed at getting from the car companies when they write back to us! And mail them, don't email them.

I hope I'm on the right track with this. Any advice welcomed.

"I, representing all Canadian car buyers, demand that you reduce the Canadian MSRPs of all your models to within 3 % of those in the US. The discrepancy of the prices here in Canada vs those in the US are huge, and its insulting.

In fact, judging from postings at redflagdeals.ca and Edmunds.com, your refusal to adequately reduce prices has angered many, many people to the point that not only will they never buy a car from you ever again, but these people have now embarked on active, determined campaigns of destroying your brand in a public forum. These are astute, savvy consumers who sure know what they're talking about, and I'm beginning to think perhaps I too should no longer consider your cars.

And do you realise that every time you're quoted -- either in your knee-jerk form letter replies to emails about pricing, or in newspaper or magazine articles -- that price differences are due to bigger windshield fluid tanks, alternators and batteries, or how used-car sales will be affected, you are absolutely infuriating people?

Stop harping about "harsh Canadian winters" -- they've existed in the US since the beginning of time. Similarly, do you think we don't know that some parts of Canada are farther south than parts of California? And do you think we're too stupid to realise that all technology, from computers and cameras to machinery and medical equipment, emerges every year both cheaper and more advanced, making all used items much lower in value? That's economics in a consumer society! It's always been this way, and it's the norm. Cars are no exception!

The point I made two paragraphs back is so important that I need to repeat it. No, rather I'll paraphrase using easier-to-understand terms: Your lame excuses, ones that are hardly borne in truth, are pissing people off.

I am a life-long car enthusiast, and an avid researcher. I am the automatic "go to guy" for car-shopping help for at least 3 families, who own a total of 4 cars. This means I actually have strong control over all the vehicles that will end up in their driveways. I'm very, very interested in this whole Canadian vs US pricing issue, reading redflagdeals.ca's and Edmunds.com's dedicated forums every single day, and I take every opportunity to enlighten those around me, urging them strongly to not buy any vehicle in Canada, steering them instead to the US.

I currently need to buy 2 new cars, and I will be importing both from the US, unless I can get them in Canada for within 3% of the American prices (duty taken into consideration of course, if applicable). Via these two online forums, I've read the advice from hundreds of Canadians who've imported their cars from the US, and as you know, it's easier than ever with the Canadian government recently helping ease the immobilizer and bumper issues.

The Canadian dollar has been in the US$.95 - .98 region for months, and all indications are that it is staying close to it for a long time. It is time to lower your MSRPs to near-parity levels.

And to stop infuriating the very people who keep you in business.

Regards,
Mr. Matty
Ontario

I have nothing to add to that. Good stuff. Just one minor spelling issue ... second last word of the first paragraph ... should be "it's".

Otherwise, mail away.

[Matty]

I have nothing to add to that. Good stuff. Just one minor spelling issue ... second last word of the first paragraph ... should be "it's".

Otherwise, mail away.

Thanks for catching that. Edited.

Found Toyota's info; if incorrect plz let me know. It'll be my first letter.

Yoichi Tomihara, President
Toyota Canada
1 Toyota Place
Scarborough ON M1H 1H9

[Monsieurmaggot]

I'm sending this letter -- via Canada Post, not as an email -- to the offices of the presidents of all Canadian car manufacturers whose physical addresses I can find. I also need the names of those presidents; any names/addresses/info you can find and post here as a direct reply to this post would be appreciated.

I also invite those who want to copy my letter to do so, but as always, it's best to change up the text quite a bit to not let all our letters appear like the dastardly form letters we ourselves are so annoyed at getting from the car companies when they write back to us! And mail them, don't email them.

I hope I'm on the right track with this. Any advice welcomed.

"I, representing all Canadian car buyers, demand that you reduce the Canadian MSRPs of all your models to within 3 % of those in the US. The discrepancy of the prices here in Canada vs those in the US are huge, and it's insulting.

In fact, judging from postings at redflagdeals.ca and Edmunds.com, your refusal to adequately reduce prices has angered many, many people to the point that not only will they never buy a car from you ever again, but these people have now embarked on active, determined campaigns of destroying your brand in a public forum. These are astute, savvy consumers who sure know what they're talking about, and I'm beginning to think perhaps I too should no longer consider your cars.

And do you realise that every time you're quoted -- either in your knee-jerk form letter replies to emails about pricing, or in newspaper or magazine articles -- that price differences are due to bigger windshield fluid tanks, alternators and batteries, or how used-car sales will be affected, you are absolutely infuriating people?

Stop harping about "harsh Canadian winters" -- they've existed in the US since the beginning of time. Similarly, do you think we don't know that some parts of Canada are farther south than parts of California? And do you think we're too stupid to realise that all technology, from computers and cameras to machinery and medical equipment, emerges every year both cheaper and more advanced, making all used items much lower in value? That's economics in a consumer society! It's always been this way, and it's the norm. Cars are no exception!

The point I made two paragraphs back is so important that I need to repeat it. No, rather I'll paraphrase using easier-to-understand terms: Your lame excuses, ones that are hardly borne in truth, are pissing people off.

I am a life-long car enthusiast, and an avid researcher. I am the automatic "go to guy" for car-shopping help for at least 3 families, who own a total of 4 cars. This means I actually have strong control over all the vehicles that will end up in their driveways. I'm very, very interested in this whole Canadian vs US pricing issue, reading redflagdeals.ca's and Edmunds.com's dedicated forums every single day, and I take every opportunity to enlighten those around me, urging them strongly to not buy any vehicle in Canada, steering them instead to the US.

I currently need to buy 2 new cars, and I will be importing both from the US, unless I can get them in Canada for within 3% of the American prices (duty taken into consideration of course, if applicable). Via these two online forums, I've read the advice from hundreds of Canadians who've imported their cars from the US, and as you know, it's easier than ever with the Canadian government recently helping ease the immobilizer and bumper issues.

The Canadian dollar has been in the US$.95 - .98 region for months, and all indications are that it is staying close to it for a long time. It is time to lower your MSRPs to near-parity levels.

And to stop infuriating the very people who keep you in business.

Regards,
Mr. Matty
Ontario

Good start. By the way it's redflagdeals.COM not .ca


In any event, in my past communication rants to the manufacturers, I found you would you get better results when you contact their communications AND marketing groups.

Also sending copies to the Competition Bureau and Consumer and Corporate Affairs. (copies of the letters to them via email is fine).

Some people even tell me they've sent letters to Jim Flaherty the MP.

I actually got a reply back from Jim Flaherty's flunkies telling me that he takes the pricing disparity quite seriously. Not that he's done anything about it.

If you want, try sending letters to the media as well. Early on I sent emails to all the news groups I could think of.

[Manitoby]

My frind told me he has just purchased a Subaru Imprezza Sport at only $400 above the dealer's invoiced price. I thought that was a pretty good deal. A lot less hassle comare to importing from the States.

[michelb]

My frind told me he has just purchased a Subaru Imprezza Sport at only $400 above the dealer's invoiced price. I thought that was a pretty good deal. A lot less hassle comare to importing from the States.

Kind of depends on the invoice price - if the Canadian invoice is $5k more than US invoice and you can buy for $1-2k below invoice in the US, it's still not a very good deal ...

From Toronto, how much trouble is it to buy a Subaru in Buffalo?

[icanwait]

Manitoby - I don't know all the details - but there is a $4000 cash discount on the Impreza. My guess is that it would be about $2000 below invoice as a selling price.

I would get your friend to do some quick research.

[ottofly]

:confused:

Well, this from CAA Quebec. What a revelation! :lol:

Just goes to show many still have not caught on to this scam despite all the efforts of all involved. Perhaps CAA awoke yesterday and started reading this thread.



CAA-Quebec study on transport and preparation charges - Canadians pay up to twice as much


QUEBEC, July 17 /CNW Telbec/ -

CAA-Quebec's 2008 study of vehicle
transport and preparation charges shows that Canadian consumers will spend an
average of 30% to 60% more than their U.S. counterparts when purchasing a 2008
model. Concretely, some automakers demand $1,000 more from Canadians for
"transport and prep," a situation that the organization finds inexplicable.
For the second year in a row, CAA-Quebec conducted a detailed analysis of
the charges imposed by automakers for all models available on the market. The
conclusions thus far are clear: not only do Canadian consumers pay up to twice
as much, but even worse, the gap exists even for vehicles that have been
assembled here in Canada.

Some examples - Among the many cases studied, several are particularly
worthy of attention. For example, for an Acura MDX built in Canada, Canadian
consumers will spend $1,855 in transport and prep charges, while their U.S.
counterparts will pay just $715, a 61% difference. For a Chrysler Town &
Country, also assembled in Canada, the charges amount to $1,350 in this
country compared to $770 south of the border, for a difference of 43%. And a
made-in-Japan Subaru Outback will cost Canadians $1,495 extra, while the U.S.
charges are $645, a 57% difference. The complete results of the study can be
viewed by logging on to the Automobile section of the organization's website
at http://www.caaquebec.com.
"We understand that transport and preparation charges can vary depending
on the assembly site," says Sophie Gagnon, CAA-Quebec's Senior Director,
Public and Government Relations. "Given the current economic context, however,
and the fact that the Canadian dollar has been pretty much at par with the
U.S. currency for several months now, it is time that the industry reviewed
these charges and resolved this unfair situation."

Raising industry awareness - In light of these findings, CAA-Quebec
recently sent letters summarizing the key points of the study to the main
automakers. In doing so, the organization seeks to make them aware of the
importance of offering competitive prices to Canadian consumers, and is asking
them to take concrete actions to better reflect the prevailing economic
realities. CAA-Quebec also used the opportunity to point out the significant
discrepancies that persist between manufacturers' suggested retail prices for
vehicles sold in Canada and those marketed in the U.S.
CAA-Quebec acknowledges that there can be certain differences in the way
some charges are presented in the U.S. For instance, documentation charges are
sometimes imposed on top of the transport charges. After conducting checks and
comparisons with certain dealerships, however, the organization noted that
documentation charges are often quite low and do not result in any significant
changes to its study findings. It also found that these documentation charges
sometimes exist in Canada as well.

CAA-Quebec, a not-for-profit organization founded in 1904, provides
automotive, travel, residential and financial services, benefits and
privileges to its approximately 950,000 members.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Kind of depends on the invoice price - if the Canadian invoice is $5k more than US invoice and you can buy for $1-2k below invoice in the US, it's still not a very good deal ...

From Toronto, how much trouble is it to buy a Subaru in Buffalo?

Good answer michelb.

The invoice price for an Impreza is $16,400 for the base to $33,000 for the WRX. If you assume you don't get ANY additional incentives but add the 6.1% duty, I would use this priceline as the guage for a Canadian Invoice price.

I can almost guarantee that the price is still at least $5000 more in Canada for the base model particularly when you factor in the higher taxation cost on the principle.

I live in the Eastern fringe of the GTA. It's only about 120 kms. to the border for me. For most people it's considerably less.

Keep in mind the Buffalo-area dealers are aware of the price differences and some actually charge more than invoice and keep the incentives and/or holdbacks.

[gjw1]

Does anyone have info about the states that do not charge out of country buyers sales tax? I know that Washington and Colorado do not charge auto purchase sales tax to Canadians.

Thanks

[Manitoby]

Manitoby - I don't know all the details - but there is a $4000 cash discount on the Impreza. My guess is that it would be about $2000 below invoice as a selling price.

I would get your friend to do some quick research.

My frient got the car for $22,142 on the road (which already includes the $4000 discount). If you work backward on the 13% tax, the price is $19,595.
That's about $300 above dealer invoice price the APA (Automobile protextion agency) provides. If you go online to one of the US dealership (say: www.vanbortelsubaru.com) to build a similarly equiped one (with their incentive included), it's about $18,665. Add 6.1% import tax and the usually Canadian tax of 13%, it is around $22,357. Assuming we are on par with USD, it is really not a significant difference between the deal you can get in Toronto.

[perfchris]

With only 6 posts on RFD, I wonder if you are not a dealer looking to discourage people from buying in the US. Not all vehicles will save you a significant amount of money. I guess the Impreza MIGHT be one of those vehicles. Congratulations on your friend getting a great deal.

I can tell that most vehicles in the US are now selling at a significant amount BELOW invoice. On top of that, you have to add a 30-60 % higher tranpsort cost in Canada according to CAA (we all knew that a long time ago ! (CAA is sleeping at the switch!).




My frient got the car for $22,142 on the road (which already includes the $4000 discount). If you work backward on the 13% tax, the price is $19,595.
That's about $300 above dealer invoice price the APA (Automobile protextion agency) provides. If you go online to one of the US dealership (say: www.vanbortelsubaru.com) to build a similarly equiped one (with their incentive included), it's about $18,665. Add 6.1% import tax and the usually Canadian tax of 13%, it is around $22,357. Assuming we are on par with USD, it is really not a significant difference between the deal you can get in Toronto.

[Manitoby]

With only 6 posts on RFD, I wonder if you are not a dealer looking to discourage people from buying in the US. Not all vehicles will save you a significant amount of money. I guess the Impreza MIGHT be one of those vehicles. Congratulations on your friend getting a great deal.

I can tell that most vehicles in the US are now selling at a significant amount BELOW invoice. On top of that, you have to add a 30-60 % higher tranpsort cost in Canada according to CAA (we all knew that a long time ago ! (CAA is sleeping at the switch!).

I wish I was a dealer. I brought my 2004 Impressz TS (base model with a wing and a security system) for $26,500 on the road at Scarborough Subabu.
I wish I could get these kind of deals back then.

May be I am lazy but I thought Imprezza sport at $22,142 was a pretty good deal (and you don't have to take the risk on the warrentee). I might think differently if the price difference is bigger (or more expansive cars like BMW or Mercedes).

[perfchris]

There are deals to be had on some cheaper cars too. A case in point: The Nissan Versa can be had from some dealers in the US for about 7000 dollars less than in Canada. That is not chump change !


I wish I was a dealer. I brought my 2004 Impressz TS (base model with a wing and a security system) for $26,500 on the road at Scarborough Subabu.
I wish I could get these kind of deals back then.

May be I am lazy but I thought Imprezza sport at $22,142 was a pretty good deal (and you don't have to take the risk on the warrentee). I might think differently if the price difference is bigger (or more expansive cars like BMW or Mercedes).

[Manitoby]

There are deals to be had on some cheaper cars too. A case in point: The Nissan Versa can be had from some dealers in the US for about 7000 dollars less than in Canada. That is not chump change !

Do you think I can get a better price in US than they currently offer in Canada for a Hyundai Accent. Last I checked (and test driven), a 4-door (manual tran) with air and power group costs about $15,500 (on the road). The 2 door model (with no air) as they advertised is just under $10,000 (before tax). That's probably the cheapest new car you can get in the market.

[perfchris]

Why would I buy a Hyundai when I could get a Versa Hatchback for the same price? I think we are going off topic here.

Anyhow, like I said, there are some small cars that have huge price disparities between the US and Canada.


Do you think I can get a better price in US than they currently offer in Canada for a Hyundai Accent. Last I checked (and test driven), a 4-door (manual tran) with air and power group costs about $15,500 (on the road). The 2 door model (with no air) as they advertised is just under $10,000 (before tax). That's probably the cheapest new car you can get in the market.

[BBTing]

I talked to a US Toyota dealer on the West Coast. They are able to sell new to Canadian without the need to register or pay state tax but only if it is sold at MSRP. When I asked for a Costco Auto price since they have that program, they said the car had to be registered in USA. That does not make sense to me. They did not answer when I asked why it is so.

1) Any explanation on that ?

2) If a new 2009 model (eg upcoming Toyota Venza) does not explicitly appear in the RIV list as either admissible or inadmissible, can I still import it since it says all 2009 models are admissible ? Do I need to get Toyota USA to write me a letter to confirm it is admissible ? Will they do that ?

[PMREdmonton]

I talked to a US Toyota dealer on the West Coast. They are able to sell new to Canadian without the need to register or pay state tax but only if it is sold at MSRP. When I asked for a Costco Auto price since they have that program, they said the car had to be registered in USA. That does not make sense to me. They did not answer when I asked why it is so.

1) Any explanation on that ?

2) If a new 2009 model (eg upcoming Toyota Venza) does not explicitly appear in the RIV list as either admissible or inadmissible, can I still import it since it says all 2009 models are admissible ? Do I need to get Toyota USA to write me a letter to confirm it is admissible ? Will they do that ?

If they will only sell at MSRP you will probably be better off using a broker to buy in a sales-tax free state (montana or oregon out west). Broker cost likely invoice but they will be able to get you the car for significantly under MSRP in most circumstances and will qualify for any available rebates.

[Kamloops]

If they will only sell at MSRP you will probably be better off using a broker to buy in a sales-tax free state (montana or oregon out west). Broker cost likely invoice but they will be able to get you the car for significantly under MSRP in most circumstances and will qualify for any available rebates.

No tax if you do not drive it off the lot. Just hire someone to haul it off the lot and to the border of the next state. Or just a few blocks away and around the corner ;)

[bkid]

gentlemen, I wanted to buy a Toyota Sienna Ltd AWD but found the prices in Ontario prohibitively high. I also noticed that the price differnece between a dealer I know in MD (Fitzmall) is of the order of around 13k !!!! So here are a few questions before I start looking at the option of buying from US and then importing it into Canada.

1) Do you need a US address to buy the van from a dealer?
2) Once you buy the van, how can you drive it across without registering? Even for a temp registration, wouldn't they require a US address?
3) Will insurance companies cover new vehicles purchased in US while its still being driven inside US till we reach the border?
4) Can we import the vehicle (after waiting the 72 hours period) immedately or is there a waiting period of 90 days or something like that?
5) What banks in Ontario are providing financing for vehicles purchased in US?

Thanks in advance...

[PMREdmonton]

No tax if you do not drive it off the lot. Just hire someone to haul it off the lot and to the border of the next state. Or just a few blocks away and around the corner ;)

Only issue here is the dealer may still be unwilling to budge on pruchase price to a Canadian. Dealer could probably get you a deal at invoice + rebates for most cars except the really hot ones (hybrids, econobox 4 cylinders). If you want to buy a gas guzzler, there may be massive rebates available. However, if that is what you want, you will probably be better off buying used due to the huge glut on used car lots right now. I think many are going below black book.

[Tuppin]

Wife is wondering about importing a convertable....VW eos or Mazda Miata. Is there no longer a bumper mod required on the miata? I see no mention of it on RIV.

[Kamloops]

I just got this quote from a Dealer on the Westcoast USA that will sell to a Canadian.

I have not priced these in Canada, is this a good deal?

2009 Toyota Matrix S Auto (1934)
MSRP: 22446
Invoice: 20486
Quote: 20000

MECHANICAL & PERFORMANCE
2.4L 4-Cyl DOHC VVT-I SFI Engine
5-Speed Automatic Transmission
Front Wheel Drive
MacPherson Strut Front Suspension
Torsion Beam Rear Suspension
Electric Power Steering (EPS)
Fr Ventilated Disc\Rr Solid Disc Brakes
16" Steel Wheels with Full Wheel Covers
P205/55 R16 Steel-belted Radial Tires


SAFETY
Dr & Fr Pass Advanced Airbag System with
Occupant Classification Sensor
Dr & Fr Pass-Seat Mounted Side Airbags
and Front & Rear Side Curtain Airbags
4 Wheel ABS with Electronic Brake-force
Distribution (EBD) & Brake Assist (BA)
Driver & All Passenger 3-point Seatbelts
w/ Automatic/Emergency Locking Retractor
Dr & Fr Pass Active Front Seat Headrest
Child Protector Rear Door Locks
CRS Lower (ISOFIX) & Top Tether Anchors
Engine Immobilizer
Direct Tire Pressure Monitoring System


EXTERIOR
Multi-Reflector Halogen Headlamps
Front & Rear Underbody Spoilers
Front Fog Lamps
Power Color-keyed Outside Rr View Mirror
Variable Intermittent Front Windshield
and Intermittent Rear Windshield Wiper
Roof Rack Fixed Anchor Mounts


COMFORT & CONVENIENCE
Air Conditioner with Clean Air Filter
AM/FM/CD WMA/MP3 Player with 6 Speakers
AUX Audio Port & XM Satellite Antenna
Optitron Meters w/ Illuminated Ceremony
Tilt & Telescopic 3-Spoke Steering Wheel
Driver''s Vertical Seat Height Adjuster
Fr Pass Fold-Flat, 60/40 Split Rear Seat
115 V AC Outlet, Digital Clock
Power Windows, Door Locks, Keyless Entry
Center Console Box with Lid

50 State Emissions .........................
Cruise Control .............................
17" Alloy Wheels with P215/45R17 ..........
Steel-belted Radial Tires .................
Power Tilt & Slide Moonroof with Sunshade ..
Vehicle Stability Control (VSC) and ........
Traction Control (TRAC) with Off Switch ....
Rear Bumper Protector

[Monsieurmaggot]

Is that the driveaway price?

If it is, it's seems to be a good price.

The Matrix S in the US seems to be a cross between the XR and XRS in Canada. I would say it's comparable to the XR.

From the specs, it appears to be the Canadian XR with the Sports package. MSRP (From Toyota.ca) is $29555.15.

Toyota Canada confuses the issue here by changing the options around.

Sign me up. I'll take two in Canada or three in the US for the exact same money!

[liamoforange]

This reply is for liamoforange. Further to the quote above, when you do compare, do it apples to apples. Some Canadian models have different options, packages, or features from their American counterparts though they bear the same trim/model name. Keep that in mind when comparing prices.

Hi Nitrate,

Thanks for your advice. I did a comparison using Ford Canada's website with Family Pricing, and the Edmunds website for the US. I built the same car on both for my home and Niagara Falls NY.

US TMV price: $26,776
Canadian Price: $35,637

You know there really is something very wrong with this picture, for a North America family sedan to be priced approximately 40% more in Canada is absurd. :(

[rgc97]

I bought in May '07. First tried to buy from Darcars in April, but they insisted on adding state tax. So I checked further and found a dealer near Washington that accepted a US address (my sister-in-law). A great price, Toyota rebate, and no state tax! Got 30 day Virginia tags, which I used until I got Ontario plates. Some people are using a broker to buy for them, and avoid state taxes (and get rebates for Subaru), but then you pay the broker.

The temp tag is accepted in all states you drive thru, and in Ontario. There is no registration card that comes with the Virginia temp tag (paper plates for front and back). There is the sales info, and the MSO (which is the key item). The MSO was signed over to me and notarized. Only on the sales agreement did it show my 'US address'.

I only had to call my insurance company (Traders General) and give them the VIN -- their computers identified it as a Toyota Sienna XLE. They faxed me proof of coverage. The dealer required that I show proof of insurance. Some people have had trouble with their insurance company when they have volunteered that they are picking the vehicle up in the US. I've bought cars from dealers before, and simply call my insurance company, give them the VIN, tell them when I want the insurance to start, and they fax a letter to me within an hour.

All the border crossings want either the original MSO, or a copy, 72 hrs in advance (most accept a copy that you fax them). If you actually registered the car in the US first, you might have to wait for the ownership.

Can't say anything about banks. You'll save more $$ if you pay cash.



gentlemen, I wanted to buy a Toyota Sienna Ltd AWD but found the prices in Ontario prohibitively high. I also noticed that the price differnece between a dealer I know in MD (Fitzmall) is of the order of around 13k !!!! So here are a few questions before I start looking at the option of buying from US and then importing it into Canada.

1) Do you need a US address to buy the van from a dealer?
2) Once you buy the van, how can you drive it across without registering? Even for a temp registration, wouldn't they require a US address?
3) Will insurance companies cover new vehicles purchased in US while its still being driven inside US till we reach the border?
4) Can we import the vehicle (after waiting the 72 hours period) immedately or is there a waiting period of 90 days or something like that?
5) What banks in Ontario are providing financing for vehicles purchased in US?

Thanks in advance...

[digital7]

This has probably been discussed but it is hard to find in 1K pages...
Is there anyway to buy a new car by my american friend (he lives in California) in other state (PA,NY) and sell it to me before register it in California. So, in this case California sale tax may be avoided. Would be any problem in this case when crossing US-CA border? As far as I understand, all documents (title and etc.) would have shown his name but I would have a bill of sale. Would it be enough?
TIA.

[usacars2canada]

This has probably been discussed but it is hard to find in 1K pages...
Is there anyway to buy a new car by my american friend (he lives in California) in other state (PA,NY) and sell it to me before register it in California. So, in this case California sale tax may be avoided. Would be any problem in this case when crossing US-CA border? As far as I understand, all documents (title and etc.) would have shown his name but I would have a bill of sale. Would it be enough?
TIA.
It might be possible if you can find a dealer who agrees not to charge you the sales tax for your state upfront. However, most of them may need to register the vehicle and/or collect the sales tax for DMV from you.

We heard from dealers that Toyota will not give the manufacturer rebate to them, or penalize them if the vehicle is found exported without registration in US.

[Anonymouse]

We heard from dealers that Toyota will not give the manufacturer rebate to them, or penalize them if the vehicle is found exported without registration in US.

I think this is just a line they're feeding you. Toyota has no access to the state DMV computers. All they know is where the car is being serviced, and then only if it's serviced by a Toyota dealer.

OTOH, how does Carfax get its information?

[kergoz]

I am close to buying a used vehicle from West Herr? Wondering if anyone has dealt with them and how they found them..are they honest?

[ottofly]

I think this is just a line they're feeding you. Toyota has no access to the state DMV computers. All they know is where the car is being serviced, and then only if it's serviced by a Toyota dealer.

OTOH, how does Carfax get its information?


Carfax gets its info from various sources including US and Canadian motor vehicle agencies.


http://www.carfax.com/data_sources.cfx

[eliteblaze2]

please PM toyota dealer that sell to Canadians and car brokers.
Indicate whethre they charge taxes and provide normal pricing (or just MSRP) thanks.

[Anonymouse]

Wow. I'm not sure I like the idea of my government selling my vehicle registration information to a private corporation, especially as it can be used to enforce ridiculous warranty rules that inflate Canadian car prices.

[dynamiteroll]

I wish I was a dealer. I brought my 2004 Impressz TS (base model with a wing and a security system) for $26,500 on the road at Scarborough Subabu.
I wish I could get these kind of deals back then.

May be I am lazy but I thought Imprezza sport at $22,142 was a pretty good deal (and you don't have to take the risk on the warrentee). I might think differently if the price difference is bigger (or more expansive cars like BMW or Mercedes).

Your friend got a killer deal.

I just priced out an 08 Impreza Sport to compare with my imported Impreza Outback Sport and with alittle negotiation on the MSRP, the end price would be pretty simlar. When I bought initially (January), I was ahead by about $5000.

Pretty impressive cashback offer...which makes their MSRP pricing look even more fishy.

[allknowing]

I am close to buying a used vehicle from West Herr? Wondering if anyone has dealt with them and how they found them..are they honest?

I purchased from Christian at West Herr Saturn of Clarence .. went real smooth and as advertised. Good prices, no surprises.

[shopper-X]

Woo Hooo! 1,000 pages (at default site setting)

[mplsv]

Woo Hooo! 1,000 pages (at default site setting)

That's what popularity will do for a thread.

[Indijones]

Inspired by Matty's letter in this forum, today I've sent a letter to the editor of the Star and my local MP which is as follows:

QUOTE:

I’ve been here in Canada for over a year and it hurts me to see how the Canadian manufacturers, dealers, cable and phone companies are ripping people off. Everything is so expensive here compared to the US that makes me wonder if we are living in a free market economy or a socialist economy. Just as an example, I bought a Panasonic DECT phone with 4 handsets from the US 2 weeks back that cost me CAD$ 112. The same phone with 2 handsets are being sold at the biggest electronic retailer in Toronto at CAD$120 after a $20 discount! What to say about the phone companies that keeps on charging System Access Fee (!) just to fatten their wallets. When a customer subscribe to a phone line, he or she is supposed to get the access to the system. Why should there be another fee on top of that? The companies say that it’s needed for developing the network! Aren’t they supposed to invest from the profit they are making without the SAF? What are they doing to the revenue that they are making without SAF? Just sharing it among themselves? I am from Bangladesh where the cell phone market is booming and I’ve lived in Japan for 11 years before settling in Canada. Nowhere I have seen that one has to pay extra for the Caller ID and Incoming Calls! Japan introduced 3G phones more than 4 years back and its phones have more features than iphone and their rates are more competitive than in Canada. The most annoying is the pricing of cars in Canada that costs around 20% to 30% more than in the US. Not only that. Cars made in Ontario are sold to Canadians with a Freight Charge of more than $1100 where the same cars are sold in the US with a Freight Charge of $750! Whenever you ask the auto makers and dealers about the discriminating prices, all you get is a pre-written statement mentioning about harsh winter conditions in Canada, market situation and blah, blah, blah. Some parts of the US has the same harsh winter as Canada and they are getting a fair deal on cars made in Canada. With the Canadian dollar at par with the US dollar for almost a year, the Canadian price should be within 1% to 2% of the US Price. Lot of Canadian started buying cars from across the border and now the auto makers have forbidden the US dealers to sell cars to the Canadians. We, the Canadian consumers are running out of patience and it’s time to act. There’s a forum at www.redflagdeals.com where you can find how frustrated people are about the pricing and this forum has already reached 1000 pages! We should be vocal against the corrupt practices of price fixing by the auto makers, dealers and phone companies that’s been going on for so long and it’s about time to change those things. We need a change for good that comes with free market economy and fair competition. Our MPs are silent about these issues. We sent those guys to parliament to preserve our interests, not the interests of big corporations. If they don’t act, we should think twice before voting for them. There’s only one thing to say to the big businesses: “LOWER DOWN YOUR PRICES TO THE LEVEL OF US PRICES OR WE WILL REVOLT. WE ARE AT LEAST NOT AS DUMB AS YOU THINK”.

UNQUOTE

[jshebib]

the revolt has already begun.... that's why we are here.

[GermanCA]

Hi to all of you. Could you guys help me out, I want to get a car from U.S. What do I have to do if I buy a car from private seller in U.S.? What fees do I need to pay? How much money will I be required to pay as taxes at the U.S./Canada board? Thanks in advance...

[nazawale]

Hi I need to import a Honda Accord 08, if anyone know a dealer who dont charge sales tax and willing to sell to Canadian, plz PM me Im located in Toronto

Also my other concern is the warranty. How much risk and loss with that? I know honda cars since iM driving for about 15 yrs

[yyz2hkg]

Hi to all of you. Could you guys help me out, I want to get a car from U.S. What do I have to do if I buy a car from private seller in U.S.? What fees do I need to pay? How much money will I be required to pay as taxes at the U.S./Canada board? Thanks in advance...

The search function helps...but i've listed a few below.

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=363416&highlight=how+to+import+a+vehicle

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=477998&highlight=how+to+import+a+vehicle

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/search.php?searchid=12462220&pp=25

[Longobongo]

Hi, I think i've found a dealership that will sell new Toyotas but they are located far away from Toronto. This is what I don't get, after the deal is set and price is negoiated I send a down payment (say $500). Since the distance is so far I may have to get a shipping company or a customs broker to have to sent to at least the border. So will I have to wire the full amount before it is shipped out or when it arrives to the border?

I'm uncomfortable with paying the full amount without seeing/inspecting it when it arrives at the border crossing to make sure I get what I expected.

[westherr]

Hi all! In early 2007, I brought a new Legacy GT from a Buffalo dealer. Everything went perfectly - negotiation with dealer (great deal), import process and registration in Canada.

Last week, when I call the same sales rep and told him that I am interested in a 2008 Tribeca, he basically said that there are no deals what-so-ever for Canadians now. That is, SOA will not allow the dealer to offer Canadians any customer cash, rebates and dealer hold backs.

He said there was ZERO incentive for the sales rep to do business with Canadians as the sale does not count for anything in term of his salary, bonus or commission. He suggested that best that I can get is probably at invoice.

Now I must admit that I have not talk to any other Subaru dealer on this....however, is this the new reality for Canadian looking for a Subaru in the USA?

Or has anyone come across a dealer that is still offering amazing deals to Canadians?

Thank you all in advance.

[Kamloops]

yes drive away price. This is what they gave me for base model. The other quote is the Sport Model.



The Matrix Base Auto
MSRP: 18930
Invoice: 17715
Your Special Direct Price: 17215

MECHANICAL & PERFORMANCE
1.8L 4-Cyl DOHC Dual VVT-I SFI Engine
4-Speed Automatic Transmission
Front Wheel Drive
MacPherson Strut Front Suspension
Torsion Beam Rear Suspension
Electric Power Steering (EPS)
Fr Ventilated Disc\Rr Solid Disc Brakes
16" Steel Wheels with Full Wheel Covers
P205/55 R16 Steel-belted Radial Tires
SAFETY
Dr & Fr Pass Advanced Airbag System with
Occupant Classification Sensor
Dr & Fr Pass-Seat Mounted Side Airbags
and Front & Rear Side Curtain Airbags
4 Wheel ABS with Electronic Brake-force
Distribution (EBD) & Brake Assist (BA)
Driver & All Passenger 3-point Seatbelts
w/ Automatic/Emergency Locking Retractor
Dr & Fr Pass Active Front Seat Headrest
Child Protector Rear Door Locks
CRS Lower (ISOFIX) & Top Tether Anchors
Engine Immobilizer
Daytime Running Lights
Direct Tire Pressure Monitoring System
EXTERIOR
Multi-Reflector Halogen Headlamps
Power Color-keyed Outside Rr View Mirror
Intermittent Front Windshield Wiper
Roof Rack Fixed Anchor Mounts
COMFORT & CONVENIENCE
Air Conditioner with Clean Air Filter
AM/FM/CD WMA/MP3 Player with 4 Speakers
AUX Audio Port & XM Satellite Antenna
Optitron Meters w/ Illuminated Ceremony
Speedometer Gauge w/Outside Temp Display
Tilt & Telescopic 3-Spoke Steering Wheel
Driver''s Vertical Seat Height Adjuster
60/40 Split Rear Seat
Digital Clock
12-Volt Power Outlet
Center Console Box with Lid
Rear Tonneau Cover

50 State Emissions ........................
Cruise Control ............................
Power Windows with Driver''s Side ...........
One-Touch Down, Power Door Locks and .......
Remote Keyless Entry



Is that the driveaway price?

If it is, it's seems to be a good price.

The Matrix S in the US seems to be a cross between the XR and XRS in Canada. I would say it's comparable to the XR.

From the specs, it appears to be the Canadian XR with the Sports package. MSRP (From Toyota.ca) is $29555.15.

Toyota Canada confuses the issue here by changing the options around.

Sign me up. I'll take two in Canada or three in the US for the exact same money!

[yyz2hkg]

Hi I need to import a Honda Accord 08, if anyone know a dealer who dont charge sales tax and willing to sell to Canadian, plz PM me Im located in Toronto

Also my other concern is the warranty. How much risk and loss with that? I know honda cars since iM driving for about 15 yrs

Here are some links below:

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=589191&highlight=how+to+import+a+honda

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=582564&highlight=how+to+import+a+honda


You can purchase a Honda without a manufacturer's warranty, but instead opt for a Third Party Warranty, which in turns provides you with similar coverage. Loss or Risk? That depends on how important a Manufacturer's Warranty is to you. You may have 15 yrs of Honda/Driving experience, but if a get a transmission that fails on you, it doesn't matter how many yrs experience you have. :cheesygri

[nazawale]

Hi, I think i've found a dealership that will sell new Toyotas but they are located far away from Toronto. This is what I don't get, after the deal is set and price is negoiated I send a down payment (say $500). Since the distance is so far I may have to get a shipping company or a customs broker to have to sent to at least the border. So will I have to wire the full amount before it is shipped out or when it arrives to the border?

I'm uncomfortable with paying the full amount without seeing/inspecting it when it arrives at the border crossing to make sure I get what I expected.

If you want I know a dealer in Queens NY and New Rochelle NY. PM me I give you the info.

[scouzi]

Hi all! In early 2007, I brought a new Legacy GT from a Buffalo dealer. Everything went perfectly - negotiation with dealer (great deal), import process and registration in Canada.

Last week, when I call the same sales rep and told him that I am interested in a 2008 Tribeca, he basically said that there are no deals what-so-ever for Canadians now. That is, SOA will not allow the dealer to offer Canadians any customer cash, rebates and dealer hold backs.

He said there was ZERO incentive for the sales rep to do business with Canadians as the sale does not count for anything in term of his salary, bonus or commission. He suggested that best that I can get is probably at invoice.

Now I must admit that I have not talk to any other Subaru dealer on this....however, is this the new reality for Canadian looking for a Subaru in the USA?

Or has anyone come across a dealer that is still offering amazing deals to Canadians?

Thank you all in advance.

Getting it at US invoice is still not all that bad compared to what you pay here!

[Lonewolf1]

Getting the Tribeca for dealer invoice is likely the best you are going to do and as was stated earlier its not that bad when compared to Canadian pricing. I am picking one up in a week from New Hampshire and dealer price on 2008 was the best I could do along with a few small items such as tray liner, rubber matts. SoA rebates to Canadians has been dead since the first of 2008 I believe.





Hi all! In early 2007, I brought a new Legacy GT from a Buffalo dealer. Everything went perfectly - negotiation with dealer (great deal), import process and registration in Canada.

Last week, when I call the same sales rep and told him that I am interested in a 2008 Tribeca, he basically said that there are no deals what-so-ever for Canadians now. That is, SOA will not allow the dealer to offer Canadians any customer cash, rebates and dealer hold backs.

He said there was ZERO incentive for the sales rep to do business with Canadians as the sale does not count for anything in term of his salary, bonus or commission. He suggested that best that I can get is probably at invoice.

Now I must admit that I have not talk to any other Subaru dealer on this....however, is this the new reality for Canadian looking for a Subaru in the USA?

Or has anyone come across a dealer that is still offering amazing deals to Canadians?

Thank you all in advance.

[pocman]

Does anyone have info about the states that do not charge out of country buyers sales tax? I know that Washington and Colorado do not charge auto purchase sales tax to Canadians.

Thanks

Nebraska dealers do not charge tax to Canadian purchasers.

[Lonewolf1]

New Hampshire as well.


Nebraska dealers do not charge tax to Canadian purchasers.

[michelb]

Does anyone have info about the states that do not charge out of country buyers sales tax? I know that Washington and Colorado do not charge auto purchase sales tax to Canadians.

Thanks

Most states do not charge tax for exports (there are a few that do if you pick up the vehicle locally but not if vehicle is shipped (MA (might do it even if shipped), CA, FL, maybe MI)). The biggest problem is just finding a dealer that will sell to you.

[HP_John]

Hi, I think i've found a dealership that will sell new Toyotas but they are located far away from Toronto. This is what I don't get, after the deal is set and price is negoiated I send a down payment (say $500). Since the distance is so far I may have to get a shipping company or a customs broker to have to sent to at least the border. So will I have to wire the full amount before it is shipped out or when it arrives to the border?

I'm uncomfortable with paying the full amount without seeing/inspecting it when it arrives at the border crossing to make sure I get what I expected.

I had to pay the full amount before the dealer would hand over the car to the shipping company. The dealer would be uncomfortable with releasing the car when you've only paid $500 so far.

Buy insurance with the shipping company. When they pickup the car, they'll do a run-around with the dealer to ensure there is no damage before picking up the car. Then, if there is damage when you get it, the shipping company is responsible.

[GermanCA]

Do I need to pay extra taxes ("green levy" fees) at Canada Customs if I am getting an used Chevrolet Tahoe 2007 with V8 5.3 L engine?:confused:

[cinqhoda]

Do I need to pay extra taxes ("green levy" fees) at Canada Customs if I am getting an used Chevrolet Tahoe 2007 with V8 5.3 L engine?:confused:

If the vehicle was put into service (registered) on or before March 19th, 2007, there is no Green Levy applied. After March 20th, 2007, see the list here:

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/whtsnw/tms/lst_vh-eng.pdf

Either way it does not look like the 5.3L Tahoe is subject to the tax.

[thegradas]

Just fund this:

"Just bought a 2008 Nissan Quest MSRP $26500 incl des. chg for $15,900! This was at Glenn Nissan in Lexington, KY.
The deal is that Nissan has a $3500 rebate going plus $5000 back to dealers who sell over a certain number of cars. Glenn Nissan passed the savings to the customer and sold several units Fri/ Sat. I picked up one today and wanted to alert others to be on the lookout in their area for the same deal.
It really takes all depreciation out of buying a new vehicle where you lose 20% the moment you drive off the lot.
Now if gas goes down, we be a doin' real gud! lol "

LINKY (http://www.glennnissan.com/nissan/share/specials.php)!

[lasallejai]

Just fund this:

"Just bought a 2008 Nissan Quest MSRP $26500 incl des. chg for $15,900! This was at Glenn Nissan in Lexington, KY.
The deal is that Nissan has a $3500 rebate going plus $5000 back to dealers who sell over a certain number of cars. Glenn Nissan passed the savings to the customer and sold several units Fri/ Sat. I picked up one today and wanted to alert others to be on the lookout in their area for the same deal.
It really takes all depreciation out of buying a new vehicle where you lose 20% the moment you drive off the lot.
Now if gas goes down, we be a doin' real gud! lol "

LINKY (http://www.glennnissan.com/nissan/share/specials.php)!

That is unbelieveable! I wonder how we can find out deals like this beside checking out dealerships' websites one by one?

[goflamesgo]

That is unbelieveable! I wonder how we can find out deals like this beside checking out dealerships' websites one by one?

I can't believe that this thread is at 1000 pages.

I think thegradas posted this on Fatwallet as well, and it mentions other dealers participating in some of the other posts.
http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/hot-deals/845337

This is so much cheaper than a Quest in Canada (Over 50% Off)

If we didn't have a running Caravan and was looking for a van instead of small car, this would be perfect.

thegradas, did they have any problem selling to a Canadian?

[undefeated]

Just saw this over in PA.

http://conicellinissan.reachlocal.net/specials/print_ads.htm

The auto industry closing in on major problems soon with these prices. It's amazing in only 8 years a complete systematic failure could potentially destroy the world economy.

[jgmaull]

In the last 2 months I've imported a 2007 Porsche Boxster and a 2006 Acura Mdx, I saved nearly $18K after doing all the homework.

I do realize there's no warranty on the MDX, but I'm willing to take that chance since I saved so much.

.
I have read a lot of the posts in this thread, and just wanted to confirm in case i have missed this. Is it true that Honda canada will NOT recognize ANY warranty of USA cars in Canada, whether it is bought new or Used. I have been looking at a some almost new MDX's for the price, but if there is no warranty, I cannot take the risk. I had been looking at Ford and GM crossovers here in Canada, but if I could get a MDX in usa for a couple of thousand more, the difference is amazing, and it will hold its value so much better. It is time to get rid of my '99 TL - love the car , but need more space with the kiddies.

[Pyro]

congrats on this giant of a thread

I was curious, is there a summary with approx differences in prices for car models? on carburner.com there were only a few models listed in the blog

is there a more complete list out there?

[yayaya]

Did you have to pay any state taxes, or was it $15,900, and thats it.

Please advise if there was taxes, or any other "additional" costs.

Ron


Just fund this:

"Just bought a 2008 Nissan Quest MSRP $26500 incl des. chg for $15,900! This was at Glenn Nissan in Lexington, KY.
The deal is that Nissan has a $3500 rebate going plus $5000 back to dealers who sell over a certain number of cars. Glenn Nissan passed the savings to the customer and sold several units Fri/ Sat. I picked up one today and wanted to alert others to be on the lookout in their area for the same deal.
It really takes all depreciation out of buying a new vehicle where you lose 20% the moment you drive off the lot.
Now if gas goes down, we be a doin' real gud! lol "

LINKY (http://www.glennnissan.com/nissan/share/specials.php)!

[Longobongo]

Makes sense. I'll contact the dealership if they provide any shipping options but I may resort in another shipping company.

I had to pay the full amount before the dealer would hand over the car to the shipping company. The dealer would be uncomfortable with releasing the car when you've only paid $500 so far.

Buy insurance with the shipping company. When they pickup the car, they'll do a run-around with the dealer to ensure there is no damage before picking up the car. Then, if there is damage when you get it, the shipping company is responsible.

[jgmaull]

Just fund this:

"Just bought a 2008 Nissan Quest MSRP $26500 incl des. chg for $15,900! This was at Glenn Nissan in Lexington, KY.
The deal is that Nissan has a $3500 rebate going plus $5000 back to dealers who sell over a certain number of cars. Glenn Nissan passed the savings to the customer and sold several units Fri/ Sat. I picked up one today and wanted to alert others to be on the lookout in their area for the same deal.
It really takes all depreciation out of buying a new vehicle where you lose 20% the moment you drive off the lot.
Now if gas goes down, we be a doin' real gud! lol "

LINKY (http://www.glennnissan.com/nissan/share/specials.php)!

Those are some pretty fabulous prices. Did you find any other dealers or other makes with good prices ( 30+% off) in your search or were you specifically looking for a nissan? BTW , how did you find out about this, did you do a internet search or a referral from some sort of website, etc..

[Anonymouse]

I have read a lot of the posts in this thread, and just wanted to confirm in case i have missed this. Is it true that Honda canada will NOT recognize ANY warranty of USA cars in Canada, whether it is bought new or Used. I have been looking at a some almost new MDX's for the price, but if there is no warranty, I cannot take the risk. I had been looking at Ford and GM crossovers here in Canada, but if I could get a MDX in usa for a couple of thousand more, the difference is amazing, and it will hold its value so much better. It is time to get rid of my '99 TL - love the car , but need more space with the kiddies.

Yes, it's true that the act of importing the car into Canada voids the factory warranty, unless you can claim that you were domiciled in the US and then moved to Canada.

I think the decision of buying in Canada versus the US depends on one's tolerance for risk. If you think about it, buying in Canada amounts to paying thousands (potentially 7-8 at a guess on an MDX) for a warranty that will cover the potentiality of a problem. Buying in the States, you don't get the warranty but you do save that money which could be used to fix any problems that might arise. You can do an awful lot of work on a car for that kind of money, and Hondas/Acuras are not known for their unreliability so the odds are in your favour.

If you want coverage, there are third party warranty companies you can buy it from. If you go this route, you have to be careful from whom you buy; some warranty companies disappear and take your premiums with them. Unfortunately the most reputable company, Lubrico, will not warranty privately imported vehicles.

[thegradas]

Just fund this:

"Just bought a 2008 Nissan Quest MSRP $26500 incl des. chg for $15,900! This was at Glenn Nissan in Lexington, KY.
The deal is that Nissan has a $3500 rebate going plus $5000 back to dealers who sell over a certain number of cars. Glenn Nissan passed the savings to the customer and sold several units Fri/ Sat. I picked up one today and wanted to alert others to be on the lookout in their area for the same deal.
It really takes all depreciation out of buying a new vehicle where you lose 20% the moment you drive off the lot.
Now if gas goes down, we be a doin' real gud! lol "


That is unbelieveable! I wonder how we can find out deals like this beside checking out dealerships' websites one by one?


that's why post our findings on RFD...

BTW, as printed in bold&red in my original post, I found it in fatwallet and thought it may be useful for many of you who look for a Nissan. Sorry, I can't provide you with further details as I will shop for a car in Sep.-Oct.'09 only.

[bond007isme]

Has anyone recently bought a BMW from the states? I am looking at a 750I and was wondering what the dealers in Canada will charge for "documents" and mods to meet Canadian specs. Thanks in advance.

[thegradas]

Here is a tip:
go to http://www.motoralley.com/ to find dealer advertised prices in newspapers. In order to see the scanned ads, you need to download DjVu. Try to find some patterns. If you use the info provided in a smart way, you may get a very good deal.



Those are some pretty fabulous prices. Did you find any other dealers or other makes with good prices ( 30+% off) in your search or were you specifically looking for a nissan? BTW , how did you find out about this, did you do a internet search or a referral from some sort of website, etc..