WOW ---- New cars from US up to 30% cheaper (cost to import under $200)

[niceguy1234]

My 02 Honda Oddisy air condition failed recently with a little more than 10,000km. It costed me more than $1100 to fix it in Honda dealership. The power slide door also has some problem and cost $300 to fit. This amount total is more than the cost of extended warranty. I wish I had brought the extended warranty at the beginning.

[Tender]

It certainly depends a lot on the car you get or how long you plan on keeping it (although you can argue that selling a car with an extended warranty will get you significantly more than one without) but for the our past 3 cars (Volvo V70R, Chrysler Sebring Convertible and VW Cabriolet) we got an extended warranty and easily made a lot more claims than what we paid for the warranty.

If I was to buy a Toyota or Honda, I might be comfortable not getting one but for most other makes (any American, probably any European, Subaru, etc) (and/or for cars with a lot of electronic components), I would go for the extended warranty if it's cheap enough.

Although you may not need it, you are also buying piece of mind and convenience (our Volvo warranty provided a loaner car everytime we brought the car in for service (Chrysler did it if it was above a certain amount of work)).

Not sure why Subaru is on your list. Aren't they more stable than Toyota in terms of quality recently?

My 02 Honda Oddisy air condition failed recently with a little more than 10,000km. It costed me more than $1100 to fix it in Honda dealership. The power slide door also has some problem and cost $300 to fit. This amount total is more than the cost of extended warranty. I wish I had brought the extended warranty at the beginning.

You've got an '02 Odyssey and it's driven only 10,000km? Or do you mean you've driven over 10,000 after you've bought an old one?

[ac328]

If I was to buy a Toyota or Honda, I might be comfortable not getting one but for most other makes (any American, probably any European, Subaru, etc) (and/or for cars with a lot of electronic components), I would go for the extended warranty if it's cheap enough.



I agree with most European makes being hit and miss for reliability but Subaru? Consumer Reports consistently rates Subaru's reliability as being average to above average. That's part of the reason I bought one.

Although reliability is always a game of odds...there are Toyotas that have been lemons and American makes that have been perfect.

[Agedashi]

That's so true. Sites like Consumer Reports repeatedly recommend that NO ONE buy extended warranty on vehicles. The cost isn't worth it in the long run.


To further this point. My elderly mother puchased a used car (a 2001 cavalier) from a dealership (chev) three years ago. I and none of my siblings live close enough to have helped her with the purchase but an aunt was there to help. She recently passed away and I am dealing with the estate. The car was sold to her for $9300ca and was not worth this amount. They also sold her on an extended warranty ($1800) which she never used and racked up $200 in administration fees. Add to that GST, PST, financing and some other random fees and 3-years later you have a car with $7000 left owing that is currently worth about $5000. All this for a pensioner.

This is only one of the reasons I ranks car salesmen slightly below puppy kickers on my list of most disliked individuals. I bought my Subaru from a dealership in the States to save 14k but I have never fooled myself into thinking any of these corporations or their lap dog sales personnel have my best interests in mind.

[michelb]

Not sure why Subaru is on your list. Aren't they more stable than Toyota in terms of quality recently?
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I agree with most European makes being hit and miss for reliability but Subaru? Consumer Reports consistently rates Subaru's reliability as being average to above average. That's part of the reason I bought one.

Although reliability is always a game of odds...there are Toyotas that have been lemons and American makes that have been perfect.

I mentioned Subaru because partly because so many people here are looking (or have already bought them) and partly from family experience (my mom's on her 2nd, my brother had one and my uncle's on his 3rd or 4th).

That being said, you're probably right in that I might have been rash to group them with manufacturers that I would "absolutely" buy an extended warranty. Overall my mom's have been very good but she has had a few nagging issues that never seem to go away and she's had to return several times for (which is probably why I'd get one if I had a Subaru). However I have to admit that in the past few years they've actually seem to have really improved their quality and I'd probably be comfortable owning one without an extended warranty (she had a significant number of issues with her late 90s Legacy but her recent (2006ish) Forester seems problem free so far). I mentioned Toyota because I have a few friends and relatives with various models (Echos, Tercels, Corollas and Camrys) and they've all been relatively trouble-free (that being said, I'm shopping for a Sienna Limited and will likely get the extended warranty for it because of all the gadgets).

It's also important to note that I'm the type of person that if something sounds wrong, I bring it in to get fixed - it's probably often nothing serious but I don't care, I want it fixed - which might explain why I get better use of the extended warranty than others.

I have to agree that manufacturers warranties are there to make money for the manufacturers however I look at it in the way that if I get something fixed at the dealership for $1000, it's probably really only costing them maybe $500 (probably even less) and in that respect, they are making money by me buying the warranty because if I didn't have the extended warranty I might not get it fixed to begin with and I'd probably go to a small independent garage rather than them.

Also just to elaborate on the last comment, my initial points is that I think the extended warranty might be worth it at the right price and depends on the car. Spending $2000 on an extended warranty on a $9500 car (i.e. Cavalier mentioned above) is not a good purchase in my opinion (especially a car with limited electronic components), while spending $1000 on an extended warranty on a $35000 car (e.g. 7/100m extended warranty on new Sienna with Nav/dvd/power whatever/3 zone heating) is a good investment IMO.

Back to the Subaru, for my mom, given her past experience and situation (keeps the car for a very long time but lives in the country, only goes to the dealership and it's their only car so anytime there's a problem they want to make sure it's fixed), I'd probably recommend the extended warranty (at the right price) - for my uncle, who usually has 2 other cars, drives all his cars into the ground, doesn't care about minor problems on the car and doesn't get them looked at until/if they are major problems, likes to go to small garages, etc, I'd probably tell him to stay away (again depends on the price though ...)

[ac328]

One other thing to be mentioned about extended warranties is that they tend to cover only specified items, not every component in the car. So read the fine print carefully before you buy.

As I said above, reliability is a game of odds. I have a friend whose 2006 RAV4 (the new model) is having the engine completely rebuilt because apparently it drinks too much gas. Dealer is doing it under warranty, gas consumption has been as high as 20L/100km (i.e. Hummer-sized). Plus the back seats didn't latch properly when it was new and half the back seat was replaced, again under warranty. It will be in the shop for 2 to 3 weeks. But everyone thinks Toyota = ironclad (which it probably usually is).

My 3 year old BMW X3 (now being replaced by the '08 Subaru) has been 100% problem-free for 43k KM, no-one used to think of BMW as being top-dog in reliability.

[st7860]

RAV4's aren't made in Japan anymore.

[michelb]

One other thing to be mentioned about extended warranties is that they tend to cover only specified items, not every component in the car. So read the fine print carefully before you buy.

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I certainly agree 100% with this - from my experience 3rd party warranties often have a lot of exclusions in them while the factory ones can be a lot more like the bumper-to-bumper original warranty.

[rummyd]

RAV4's aren't made in Japan anymore.

I believe that's in effect later this year, as the Woodstock Ontario plant isn't online yet (I think). All 2007's and before are made in Japan (and possibly most 2008s too).

[ottawa_hull]

My 02 Honda Oddisy air condition failed recently with a little more than 10,000km. It costed me more than $1100 to fix it in Honda dealership. The power slide door also has some problem and cost $300 to fit. This amount total is more than the cost of extended warranty. I wish I had brought the extended warranty at the beginning.
I know exactly how you feel.
2 years ago, 3 1/2 year old Nissan Maxima GLE, Stainless steel muffler breaks in the one part that was regular steel and cost me $1100 to replace (ouch). In my view that is a defect but dealer (and Nissan did not see it that way). Traded the car for an 06 Odyssey (with extended Warranty)

[rgc97]

There are a couple of nice features with the Toyota US Extended Care Plan. We bought the Platinum 6 yr/100K miles. Got about 40% discount from our dealer off suggested retail. It's a bumper-to-bumper (except for wear & tear items) warranty. There was no equivalent Cdn ECP at the time; in fact, we would have paid about $2K for one that covered most items, but not everything.

Just another reason to buy your car (and extended warranty) in the US (and spend your savings in Canada).



I certainly agree 100% with this - from my experience 3rd party warranties often have a lot of exclusions in them while the factory ones can be a lot more like the bumper-to-bumper original warranty.

[rgc97]

Correct. The Toyota Woodstock plant is currently under construction. We know one of the engineers responsible for equipment installation.

See http://car-reviews.automobile.com/Toyota/picture/toyota-to-build-new-rav4-plant-in-woodstock-ontario/1331/

I believe that's in effect later this year, as the Woodstock Ontario plant isn't online yet (I think). All 2007's and before are made in Japan (and possibly most 2008s too).

[jadeboy]

I am picking the Lexus probably on Monday at the border. Does canada custom requires me to have the "Recall Letter" at the border or can I wait until I get back and fax/email it to RIV? My "Recall Letter" for the Lexus has not arrive and they have not fax it.

Thanks

[elmst200]

January 18, 2008

Subaru announces pricing for new Impreza WRX STI

Toronto, Ontario - Subaru Canada Inc. has announced that the all-new 2008 Impreza WRX STI will have a starting price of $44,995, which is $4,000 less than the previous STI model.

The new STI uses a turbocharged and intercooled 2.5-litre four-cylinder engine that produces 305 horsepower and 290 lb-ft of torque. Its Driver Control Centre Differential (DCCD), exclusive to the STI, now offers three selectable automatic performance modes, in addition to six manual differential-locking settings.

"With the STI's pricing as aggressive as its performance, we anticipate a lot of interest from driving enthusiasts," said Katsuhiro Yokoyama, president, chairman and CEO of Subaru Canada Inc. "This is an exceptional price for a high-performance vehicle with a rally-winning heritage and an engine, drivetrain, suspension and interior created exclusively for the 2008 Impreza WRX STI."

The WRX STI was named a Top Safety Pick by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, and achieves stringent Bin 5 Tier 2 and LEV-2 California Tier 2 Bin 5 emissions certifications.

[elmst200]

http://www.canadiandriver.com/news_2008/01/08/080108-1.htm
January 8, 2008

Toyota announces pricing on 2008 Yaris Hatchback

Toronto, Ontario - Toyota Canada has announced the introduction of the 2008 Yaris Hatchback. Pricing will start at $13,915, a $115 increase over the 2007 base price; all models are eligible for a rebate of $1,000 under the ecoAUTO federal program for fuel-efficient vehicles.

"The European styling and surprising roominess of the Yaris made this hatchback an instant hit with Canadians when we introduced the model in 2006," said Tony Wearing, Managing Director of Toyota Canada Inc. "For 2008, we offer the Yaris Hatchback in a choice of three-door and five-door models, with a choice of manual or automatic transmissions, and multiple trim levels to suit every taste and budget."

The Yaris is available in two hatchback configurations: with two doors (the "three-door") in CE or RS trim, and four doors ("five-door") in LE or RS trim. Prices range from $13,915 to $19,085.

[elmst200]

http://www.canadiandriver.com/news_2008/01/04/080104-2.htm
January 4, 2007

2007 was second-best sales year on record, analyst says

Richmond Hill, Ontario - Despite a drop in sales in December, 2007 was the second-best year on record for Canadian new-vehicle sales, according to industry analyst Dennis DesRosiers. The final total for 2007 was 1,653,362 new cars and light trucks.

"Sales in December were actually down, despite massive inventory money pumped into the market by almost all OEMs," DesRosiers said. "Consumer fatigue from almost a decade of strong sales is the likely cause, and this therefore does not bode well for sales in 2008. If consumers didn't respond to discounts up to about $10,000, and an average likely in the $3,000 range, then what will they do when these discounts moderate?"

DesRosiers said that the "biggest story in 2007 was the ascent of Chrysler Canada to the second brand position in Canada, ahead of Ford Canada, who traditionally has held this spot." A combination of a number of new entry-level small vehicles and heavy discounting at Chrysler, plus a continued slide in Ford Canada sales accounted for the change, DesRosiers said, and that while GM is still the market leader with a 24.2 per cent market share, "the second position is now up for grabs by any one of Ford, Chrysler, Toyota or even Honda/Acura, which is not that far down the scale." All four companies captured the second-place sales spot for at least one month in 2007.

Sales of cars and light trucks in 2007 were as follows:

Manufacturer Dec '07 Dec '06 Change YTD '07 YTD '06 Change
Chrysler 18,985 18,589 + 2.1 232,688 220,553 + 5.5
Ford 15,111 17,151 - 11.9 223,773 228,878 - 2.2
General Motors 25,746 35,823 - 28.1 400,755 418,176 - 4.2
Audi 714 625 + 14.2 8,230 8,221 + 0.1
BMW/Mini 2,417 1,843 + 31.1 27,734 23,430 +18.4
Honda/Acura 17,817 15,951 + 11.7 170,307 165,985 + 2.6
Hyundai 4,089 4,700 - 13.0 75,005 70,059 + 7.1
Jaguar 51 81 - 37.0 738 943 -21.7
Kia 1,878 1,383 + 35.8 34,820 29,569 +17.8
Land Rover 267 278 - 4.0 2,963 2,570 +15.3
Mazda 4,811 4,615 + 4.2 86,659 81,007 + 7.0
Mercedes-Benz/Smart 1,657 1,565 + 5.9 18,547 17,567 + 5.6
Mitsubishi 1,546 690 +124.1 16,759 10,957 +53.0
Nissan/Infiniti 5,385 5,118 + 5.2 76,783 66,755 +15.0
Porsche 110 97 + 13.4 1,987 1,868 + 6.4
Subaru 1,318 1,264 + 4.3 16,504 16,190 + 1.9
Suzuki 535 830 - 35.5 12,001 11,158 + 7.6
Toyota/Lexus 15,088 12,189 + 23.8 201,326 195,870 + 2.8
Volkswagen 1,971 2,990 - 34.1 36,909 35,123 + 5.1
Volvo 398 558 - 28.7 8,874 9,911 -10.5
Total 119,894 126,340 - 5.1 1,653,362 1,614,700 + 2.4

[the Bez]

Correct. The Toyota Woodstock plant is currently under construction. We know one of the engineers responsible for equipment installation.

See http://car-reviews.automobile.com/Toyota/picture/toyota-to-build-new-rav4-plant-in-woodstock-ontario/1331/


I have looked all over the web and can not find any information on when production is supposed to start. Does ANYONE know? All the stories on the web are from 2005 or 2006 announcing the plant will be built there, but they all say "production will start in 2008" - no specific date or month.

I am interested in a new RAV4 but would prefer not to have to pay the 6.1% import duty. Hopefully it is earlier in the year rather than later.

Thanks alot.

bez

[DrXenon]

I have looked all over the web and can not find any information on when production is supposed to start. Does ANYONE know?

I am interested in a new RAV4 but would prefer not to have to pay the 6.1% import duty. Hopefully it is earlier in the year rather than later.


Dude, you are out of your mind. This is a greenfield plant being staffed by people who have never built cars before. You don't want one of the first cars to come off that line.

Would appreciate it if anyone who's buying an Outback after Jan 3 would post or PM price and dealer details.

[showMeAnImport]

I bought one of those cheap Koreans in 2002 (KIA Sedonna EX luxury) and it's a piece of crap.

Started rusting after 16 months
Replaced 4 alternators
Replaced cracked Windshield
Replaced 4 front wheel bearings
3 full brake jobs with only 130 000 Km
Replaced steering column
Replaced coolant piping to rear heater (Pipes were completely rusted and burst!)
Replaced wiper motor
2 batteries
Check engine light has been on for 3 years and they don't know what's wrong
2 sets of belts

Sounds familiar...I bought a 2002 Hyundai Sonata....what a piece of garbage....

I honestly have never had more problems with a vehicle....People kept telling me at the time that "they've changed...they're much better"...yeah right...I keep hearing that now too...

Been driving my accord now for 2 and a half years....zero problems...

Go figure...

Cheers

[sbender]

I'm considering buying a slightly used 07 Toyota Camry from the US on ebay and I was wondering, is the process the same as with new cars, or is there more or less that I have to worry about? It would be from a private seller who thinks he should be able to ship it to Canada if desired.

Thanks!

[allknowing]

I'm considering buying a slightly used 07 Toyota Camry from the US on ebay and I was wondering, is the process the same as with new cars, or is there more or less that I have to worry about? It would be from a private seller who thinks he should be able to ship it to Canada if desired.

Thanks!

It is the same *but* be sure to have him fax the border 72 hours in advance the papers (ownership?). And be sure you can get a recall letter from Toyota. WIthout a dealership behind the deal, this may be troublesome. You dont need it when you bring it over but if you do bring it over and cant get one within 45 days you are supposed to return the car -- good luck with that.
I would suggest having him fax the border then make the request for the recall letter -- it has to be clear of all recalls before you can register it. If you get the recall letter *then* proceed with the purchase.

[allknowing]

I am picking the Lexus probably on Monday at the border. Does canada custom requires me to have the "Recall Letter" at the border or can I wait until I get back and fax/email it to RIV? My "Recall Letter" for the Lexus has not arrive and they have not fax it.

Thanks
They dont need it at the border - they provide form1. With form1 you pay/visit riv.ca their $200 and a copy of form1 *and* the recall letter. You can do this once you return home. Once they are happy they will email/provide form2. Take form1 and form2 to cdn tire and get your safety check and their blessing on the form2. Then off to the ministry for the PST and the license plates.

Note if you cant get the recall letter you are *screwed* Check with Lexus. This is one of their latest tactics for holding down the export/imports.

[bulgurc]

Whe n you buy from private seller here you don't pay GST. Is it the same if you buy private in US?

[Monsieurmaggot]

Whe n you buy from private seller here you don't pay GST. Is it the same if you buy private in US?

Not if you import the car.

ANY vehicle (new or used) that is imported is subject to the GST.

On a similar note, I've heard from many RFDers that if you can't produce a cancelled cheque or other legitimate proof of payment when buying privately, GST can be calculated based on the book value of the car (whichever is HIGHER). If the border guard suspects you're trying to pull one over on them, they will also fine you the equivalent in penalties.

[G-StaR]

no you still need to pay GST, does not matter if the car is new or used

[the Bez]

Dude, you are out of your mind. This is a greenfield plant being staffed by people who have never built cars before. You don't want one of the first cars to come off that line.

Would appreciate it if anyone who's buying an Outback after Jan 3 would post or PM price and dealer details.

Do you think they're just going to flip the switch, cross their fingers and hope it all works out? If they're SMART about it they will work out most of the bugs before they officially start production. They have the process down pat in Japan, so I'm sure they will bring people over who know what they're doing to start it up, they're not going to leave it strictly in the hands of people with no experience.

That being said the first ones to roll off the assembly line might be a little dicey but I'm just curious how soon that is supposed to happen. Toyota sure is doing a good job keeping that info a secret, which is surprising in the age of the internet.

[rgc97]

Workers for this plant are already being trained at the Toyota Cambridge plant (just 30 minutes east on the 401). Cambridge is the 'mother plant' for Woodstock. The Toyota Production System is world class and the automotive 'gold standard'.

With Woodstock, Toyota plans to start into full production from the start, rather than ramping up. This is a new application of their lean manufacturing approach.


Do you think they're just going to flip the switch, cross their fingers and hope it all works out? If they're SMART about it they will work out most of the bugs before they officially start production. They have the process down pat in Japan, so I'm sure they will bring people over who know what they're doing to start it up, they're not going to leave it strictly in the hands of people with no experience.

That being said the first ones to roll off the assembly line might be a little dicey but I'm just curious how soon that is supposed to happen. Toyota sure is doing a good job keeping that info a secret, which is surprising in the age of the internet.

[jadeboy]

They dont need it at the border - they provide form1. With form1 you pay/visit riv.ca their $200 and a copy of form1 *and* the recall letter. You can do this once you return home. Once they are happy they will email/provide form2. Take form1 and form2 to cdn tire and get your safety check and their blessing on the form2. Then off to the ministry for the PST and the license plates.

Note if you cant get the recall letter you are *screwed* Check with Lexus. This is one of their latest tactics for holding down the export/imports.

Lexus has agreed to sent out the letter and fax the letter of Recall - there were very polite and kind, but I have gotten nothing from them so far for over a week so I phoned again and they said they will redo the Letter of Recall and refax it by Wednesday of next week, pissed me office when I have to pick the car on Monday. Anyone who has Letter of Recall from Lexus/Toyota tell me how long it took to get it in their mail?

[Cars4Canadians]

I wonder once the recession hits full stride in Canada due to the American slowdown, if the a-hole car manufacturers will lower the price on their overpriced hardware...

[alanbrenton]

I wonder once the recession hits full stride in Canada due to the American slowdown, if the a-hole car manufacturers will lower the price on their overpriced hardware...

Hasn't motor vehicle sales gone down 2.9% last month? I'm sure there will be room for adjustment if the USDCAD exchange rate stays close to parity.

[Marzipan]

I'm considering buying a slightly used 07 Toyota Camry from the US on ebay and I was wondering, is the process the same as with new cars, or is there more or less that I have to worry about? It would be from a private seller who thinks he should be able to ship it to Canada if desired.

Thanks!

It seems to me that the seller should get the recall letter from Toyota. As Toyota's customer he should be able to get that letter easier than an importer. After all, any buyer of a used vehicle is entitled to know that there are no safety issues not attended to. Help the seller with it if necessary and tell him that it is important to getting the car registered in Canada. Even make it a condition of the sale.

[skuzmak]

found some good info on www.importcarsandsave.com , free site, lots of good info. Looking at importing a hummer 2, huge savings!! (especially on used)

[Monsieurmaggot]

found some good info on www.importcarsandsave.com , free site, lots of good info. Looking at importing a hummer 2, huge savings!! (especially on used)

That's a sponsored site.

Whenever you click on the site the owner gets paid simply by posting information that most of us (including me) provided for free here on RFD or Carburner.com.

Any of those sites using my copyrighted pictures or text will be sharing their profits with me and my lawyer.

[agepag]

[QUOTE=elmst200;6282759]January 18, 2008

Subaru announces pricing for new Impreza WRX STI

Toronto, Ontario - Subaru Canada Inc. has announced that the all-new 2008 Impreza WRX STI will have a starting price of $44,995, which is $4,000 less than the previous STI model.

So I decided to compare US vs CDN

Purchasing Details: CDN

MSRP $44,995.00
PDI & Freight $1,495.00
Air Tax $100.00
Accessories $0.00
Purchase Price $46,590.00
PST $3,727.20
GST/FST Taxes $2,329.50
Total Payable
$54,180.24 (I get $52646.70 when I add the price plus tax)

US

IMPREZA WRX - STI
Exterior: WR Blue Mica
Interior: Graphite Gray Alcantara with Carbon Black leather bolsters
Transmission: Manual 6-speed
Base MSRP* $34,995
Transmission $0
Packages $0
Accessories $0
Destination & Delivery $645

Total $35,640 US = $36,618.32 x 1.13 = $41378.34 cdn x 6.1% = $43902.42

$54,180.24 - $43902.42 = $10277.82 difference!!!

Now the cdn comes standard with the bbs wheels which is a $2000 US option, but I rather same the $2000 and buy some aftermarket rims!!!!

So I guess US it still the way to go!!!!!

[sienna owner]

Lexus has agreed to sent out the letter and fax the letter of Recall - there were very polite and kind, but I have gotten nothing from them so far for over a week so I phoned again and they said they will redo the Letter of Recall and refax it by Wednesday of next week, pissed me office when I have to pick the car on Monday. Anyone who has Letter of Recall from Lexus/Toyota tell me how long it took to get it in their mail?

Had them fax the RECALL letter to my dealership, and she had it in my file when I pick up my Sienna. Didn't have to call them after the first time.:razz:

[sienna owner]

Hi,

My dealer asks me to provide a usa address for selling me a new vehicle. The address and my name will be put on all documents including MCO and the bill of sales. I am wordering whether it could be a problem at USA and Canada customs office because the address on the paper work will not match my ID's address. Any risk by doing this?

Thank you very much for any input.


I don't think they answered your question, so here goes...
the short answer is NO...you will not have a problem with it at customs...we didn't when we brought our '08 Sienna across...I was questioned at the MTO office, but simply said it was a relatives and wasn't asked again.

[lightbulb]

I think extended warranties have their place but it's question of the cost and the odds of a problem past warranty period. The first time I bought an extended warranty was for a used Volvo, I paid $1,200 and it basically extended the factory warranty for 3 years. I remember having about $11,000 worth of repairs being done for my $1,200 investment. There were 2 A/C repairs that came to almost $5,000 alone. For a 2nd Volvo, I paid $2,000 for the extended warranty and never made a claim. I also buy Applecare for my Mac computers but from eBay at a reduced cost. One claim for a dead motherboard came to $800; Applecare cost, about $125. I bought a 6 Y/70K mile warranty for my Subie LGT, a little under $700. It seems to have the (almost) factory warranty extended by 3 years for that little amount was a no brainer; I believe the Subaru extended warranty is MUCH more in Canada.

And BTW, it's worth having a credit card that "doubles" your warranty on purchases as a feature. I only use it for purchases of electronics but it's paid for a $1,200 laptop screen and replaced a printer for me. Best of it all, it costs nothing to for such a card, mine is from RBC.

That's so true. Sites like Consumer Reports repeatedly recommend that NO ONE buy extended warranty on vehicles. The cost isn't worth it in the long run.

[Marzipan]

[QUOTE=elmst200;6282759]

US

IMPREZA WRX - STI
Exterior: WR Blue Mica
Interior: Graphite Gray Alcantara with Carbon Black leather bolsters
Transmission: Manual 6-speed
Base MSRP* $34,995
Transmission $0
Packages $0
Accessories $0
Destination & Delivery $645

Total $35,640 US = $36,618.32 x 1.13 = $41378.34 cdn x 6.1% = $43902.42

$54,180.24 - $43902.42 = $10277.82 difference!!!

Now the cdn comes standard with the bbs wheels which is a $2000 US option, but I rather same the $2000 and buy some aftermarket rims!!!!

So I guess US it still the way to go!!!!!

Just one refinement that knocks about $550 off the difference.

Total $35,640 US = $36,618.32

That assumes 1 CAD = .973 USD but unless you already have USDs the banks will skim about 1.5% more from you on conversion.

However, taxes are assessed at the current mid-market exchange rate. (But did you forget about the $100 air-conditioning tax? If so knock off another $100 + 13.)

The new pricing is still way more in Canada. Manufacturers have no intention of fairly pricing for Canada. We need bumper stickers for successful USA imports!

[jmlleung]

My friend is looking for a 2007 BMW X5. Does anyone know any nice BMW dealer in US that is Canadian friendly? He talked to the Buffalo dealer, and they don't seem very nice particularly. Thanks.

[rgc97]

Agree with getting the extended warranty when the cost is small relative to the risk. When I was picking up our new Sienna in the States, I heard a salesman telling a customer that fixing their broken automatic side door was going to cost them $875 US. I paid $940 US for a 6 yr, 100K mile bumper-to-bumper warranty. Gives me an extra 3 yrs of peace & comfort. With all the electronics and gadgets on new cars, having the extended warranty is becoming more attractive. What bothers me most is that Toyota's Canadian warranty costs much more than the US one, and covers less --but we know the everything costs more in Canada, so we should accept this (not!).


I think extended warranties have their place but it's question of the cost and the odds of a problem past warranty period. The first time I bought an extended warranty was for a used Volvo, I paid $1,200 and it basically extended the factory warranty for 3 years. I remember having about $11,000 worth of repairs being done for my $1,200 investment. There were 2 A/C repairs that came to almost $5,000 alone. For a 2nd Volvo, I paid $2,000 for the extended warranty and never made a claim. I also buy Applecare for my Mac computers but from eBay at a reduced cost. One claim for a dead motherboard came to $800; Applecare cost, about $125. I bought a 6 Y/70K mile warranty for my Subie LGT, a little under $700. It seems to have the (almost) factory warranty extended by 3 years for that little amount was a no brainer; I believe the Subaru extended warranty is MUCH more in Canada.

And BTW, it's worth having a credit card that "doubles" your warranty on purchases as a feature. I only use it for purchases of electronics but it's paid for a $1,200 laptop screen and replaced a printer for me. Best of it all, it costs nothing to for such a card, mine is from RBC.

[deim]

You forgot about Navigation, which is standard in Canada, and optional in US. Nav+BBS=US$3,800. There is also standard heated seats/mirrors/wiper which is not available in US.

So, corrected US price would be:

Total $35,640 + $3,800 US = us$39,440 x 1.13 = us$44,567.2 x 6.1% = us$47,285.80 = CAD$48,583.80 (current rate on XE.com)

So, it is imported $48,583.80 VS local $52,646.7; or $4,062.9 cheaper in US. Count in inconvenience with warranty claims on imported car, and most importantly - no heated seats/mirrors/wipers, and I think, I'll just bite a bullet and get it locally.

Plus, bank loan ~7% for 5 years would be $9,140 just in interest. Subaru gives 5.9% for 5 years, $8,275 in interest, so it is another 1 thousand from the 4 grands difference (unless a lot of people has 50 grands sitting in their pocket - I don't). Total difference is $3,000.
Actually, if you already have a subaru (I do), then it is 1% off - 4.9%, so in that case interest is $6,819.3. So, with this interest, difference between imported and local is $1,742.20 - not the whole lot of the difference. My personal opinion - STI is not worth the hassle of importing.

So, calcs are not that simple and quick.

[QUOTE=elmst200;6282759]January 18, 2008

Subaru announces pricing for new Impreza WRX STI

Toronto, Ontario - Subaru Canada Inc. has announced that the all-new 2008 Impreza WRX STI will have a starting price of $44,995, which is $4,000 less than the previous STI model.

So I decided to compare US vs CDN

Purchasing Details: CDN

MSRP $44,995.00
PDI & Freight $1,495.00
Air Tax $100.00
Accessories $0.00
Purchase Price $46,590.00
PST $3,727.20
GST/FST Taxes $2,329.50
Total Payable
$54,180.24 (I get $52646.70 when I add the price plus tax)

US

IMPREZA WRX - STI
Exterior: WR Blue Mica
Interior: Graphite Gray Alcantara with Carbon Black leather bolsters
Transmission: Manual 6-speed
Base MSRP* $34,995
Transmission $0
Packages $0
Accessories $0
Destination & Delivery $645

Total $35,640 US = $36,618.32 x 1.13 = $41378.34 cdn x 6.1% = $43902.42

$54,180.24 - $43902.42 = $10277.82 difference!!!

Now the cdn comes standard with the bbs wheels which is a $2000 US option, but I rather same the $2000 and buy some aftermarket rims!!!!

So I guess US it still the way to go!!!!!

[jmlleung]

There are a couple of nice features with the Toyota US Extended Care Plan. We bought the Platinum 6 yr/100K miles. Got about 40% discount from our dealer off suggested retail. It's a bumper-to-bumper (except for wear & tear items) warranty. There was no equivalent Cdn ECP at the time; in fact, we would have paid about $2K for one that covered most items, but not everything.

Just another reason to buy your car (and extended warranty) in the US (and spend your savings in Canada).

Is the Toyota extended warranty purchased in US covered in Canada?

[elmst200]

in Canada, can we opt not buying the Navigation system and deduct the $3800 from the sale price?

You forgot about Navigation, which is standard in Canada, and optional in US. Nav+BBS=US$3,800. There is also standard heated seats/mirrors/wiper which is not available in US.

So, corrected US price would be:

Total $35,640 + $3,800 US = us$39,440 x 1.13 = us$44,567.2 x 6.1% = us$47,285.80 = CAD$48,583.80 (current rate on XE.com)

So, it is imported $48,583.80 VS local $52,646.7; or $4,062.9 cheaper in US. Count in inconvenience with warranty claims on imported car, and most importantly - no heated seats/mirrors/wipers, and I think, I'll just bite a bullet and get it locally.

Plus, bank loan ~7% for 5 years would be $9,140 just in interest. Subaru gives 5.9% for 5 years, $8,275 in interest, so it is another 1 thousand from the 4 grands difference (unless a lot of people has 50 grands sitting in their pocket - I don't). Total difference is $3,000.
Actually, if you already have a subaru (I do), then it is 1% off - 4.9%, so in that case interest is $6,819.3. So, with this interest, difference between imported and local is $1,742.20 - not the whole lot of the difference. My personal opinion - STI is not worth the hassle of importing.

So, calcs are not that simple and quick.

[QUOTE=agepag;6285197]

[agepag]

I didn't know about the heated seats, but in all honesty I really don't need that and I don't want the navi. Now in saying all that I probably am not going to buy new, I want to wait to see, also there alot more choice when buying from the US, especially used. When I was looking for a 05' sti trader.ca had 7 where as trader.com had 114, within a 200 miles search radius. Now of course when comparing fully loaded vs fully loaded you make a good point, but I still think you will be able to get a better deal south of the boarder. We will just have to wait and see!

[deim]

in Canada, can we opt not buying the Navigation system and deduct the $3800 from the sale price?

Nope, and I do agree - its sucks big time. But anyway, to compare the prices - we need to do that with similar configurations.

[raskal]

My friend is looking for a 2007 BMW X5. Does anyone know any nice BMW dealer in US that is Canadian friendly? He talked to the Buffalo dealer, and they don't seem very nice particularly. Thanks.

<sigh>

BMW == Evil

seriously, if you took 1 minute to search you'd know your answer, but it's Saturday so I'll spoon feed you.

No U.S. BMW dealer will sell any vehicle to a Canadian.

boycott BMW!!!!!

[jmlleung]

<sigh>

BMW == Evil

seriously, if you took 1 minute to search you'd know your answer, but it's Saturday so I'll spoon feed you.

No U.S. BMW dealer will sell any vehicle to a Canadian.

boycott BMW!!!!!
I thought they sold used ones to Canadians. My friend is looking for a 2007. They just charge you for admissibility letter, recall letter, etc.

[Sergio]

It looks like the BMW Canadian dealers have found a way to convince BMW NA to charge for the recall letter. This option was free a few months ago. I'm not sure on how much, they charge, but it is not fair market price, I believe it is about 800$ - can someone confirm.

This move by BMW will force me to consider other vehicles that are more Canadian friendly. I'm currently looking at the Acura MDX 2005 vehicles.

Excellent thread, can't keep up with it, too much information... :)

I thought they sold used ones to Canadians. My friend is looking for a 2007. They just charge you for admissibility letter, recall letter, etc.

[NAFTAGO]

here is the info from Karl
"Subaru of America is glad to provide you with a 3 year or 36,000 mile bumper to bumper warranty and a 5 year or 60,000 mile powertrain warranty. They also happily give you 3 years or 36,000 miles of roadside assistance. What Subaru of CANADA won't do is administer your claim for you if you have a 2008 or newer Subaru. This means that you will have to go to your local dealer and say "My car was purchased in the US and imported into Canada. I need to have a warranty repair completed on my car." The repair will be completed by your local authorized Subaru dealer. You will be charged WARRANTY RATE for the repair which is less than normal customer pay. Ask your service adviser for two copies of the repair order. You will submit one copy to Subaru of America and keep one for your records. Subaru of America will send you a check for the warranty portion of the repair (ie no oil changes, etc.) in US dollars. What does not require pre payment and reimbursement is the roadside assistance. That is covered immediately.

Part of the package that I give to our Canadian customers is a letter from SOA detailing this along with the address to mail your claim to. One thing that a lot of people are NOT aware of is that the Subaru extended warranty, Subaru Added Security, eliminates the need for this once the original 3/36 is done. AWESOME investment if you're planning on keeping the car for an extended period of time.
"
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6023925&postcount=10301

Hi there,
after a search i found your useful info but I cant seem to find where/who to send the copy of the repair order to Subaru of America.
In addition to that, do you know how long does it takes to get the refund?

Thanks in advance.

[xcel]

CT is refusing to sign Form 2 because vehicle does not have French SRS Maintenance label. From where I can get such a label ??

The following is appearing on Form 2:
'This Vehicle requires a French SRS maintenance label if it is equipped with an airbag that requires periodic maintenance.'
I am importing a used Accord.

[michelb]

CT is refusing to sign Form 2 because vehicle does not have French SRS Maintenance label. From where I can get such a label ??

The following is appearing on Form 2:
'This Vehicle requires a French SRS maintenance label if it is equipped with an airbag that requires periodic maintenance.'
I am importing a used Accord.

Does the one in English indicate that if requires periodic maintenance? If not, then it's a non-issue (as far as I know, I don't think many airbags require periodic maintenance).

If you do need one, I believe Chrysler sold the stickers separately from their parts department but you'd probably have to hunt for the part number.

[DrXenon]

CT is refusing to sign Form 2 because vehicle does not have French SRS Maintenance label. From where I can get such a label ??

The following is appearing on Form 2:
'This Vehicle requires a French SRS maintenance label if it is equipped with an airbag that requires periodic maintenance.'
I am importing a used Accord.

What model year is your Accord? If the English label on the visors says nothing about periodic maintenance (and most recent cars don't say anything) CT is wrong to demand the French label. Or, if you don't want to argue with them, try a different CT.

[ryandk]

Does anyone know how much the BMW 1-series will cost in Canada? With all the extra cost/hassle of buying the US, will it be worth importing a 128i?

Thanks.

[gregolds]

Would not the vehicle be registered to the dealer though and stay registered at the dealer's name?

The MCO is supplied to the dealer from the manufacturer in the dealers name. The dealer then transfers the MCO to the purchaser [your friend or relative]of that new vehicle. An MCO can only be transfered from a dealer to the purchaser of a new vehicle or from one dealer to another. The MCO cannot be transfered between two private individuals. This is why your friend or relative is the exporter of record, you are the importer of record and the bill of sale from your US contact to you is dated for the day you bring it across. Worked for my new Ridgeline. US Customs never asked for anything except the original MCO. They checked in their system to make sure they had recieved a copy of the MCO 72 hours before I came across with the vehicle, stamped the original, and never came out to verify the serial number. I was on my way in 15 minutes.

[perfchris]

Go to another CT store in your area.


CT is refusing to sign Form 2 because vehicle does not have French SRS Maintenance label. From where I can get such a label ??

The following is appearing on Form 2:
'This Vehicle requires a French SRS maintenance label if it is equipped with an airbag that requires periodic maintenance.'
I am importing a used Accord.

[yyz2hkg]

Does anyone know how much the BMW 1-series will cost in Canada? With all the extra cost/hassle of buying the US, will it be worth importing a 128i?

Thanks.

The 128i coupe starts around $29,375 USD. The 135i coupe starts at $6300 USD more. CAD are approx only...starting @ $32,000 for the 128i, and over $40,000 for the 135i.

[newid07]

The MCO is supplied to the dealer from the manufacturer in the dealers name. The dealer then transfers the MCO to the purchaser [your friend or relative]of that new vehicle....


Interesting point. A couple questions here:
- First come to my mind is that how to qualify you as a importer. Do you have to be any registered business? Same to your friend down south, do they have to be a business to be a exporter?
- Will there be any trouble when you register your car at MTO as a personal-use car?

Many thanks in advance. This can be a route for lots of Candian finding their dream car in the states. :cheesygri

[xcel]

What model year is your Accord? If the English label on the visors says nothing about periodic maintenance (and most recent cars don't say anything) CT is wrong to demand the French label. Or, if you don't want to argue with them, try a different CT.

Finally CT signed my Form2.

First I called RIV office and asked them about this 'Periodic Maintenance'. Went back to same CT and agrued with 3 persons, asked them to call RIV directly. Finally they called RIV and then agreed to sign form 2.

BTW they faxed the form 2 to RIV and gave me back Form2 and both Original copies of Form 1. I told them that I am supposed to get only one copy of Stamped form 1. CT told me they do not keep any copies of form1 or 2.

[Matty]

... An MCO can only be transfered from a dealer to the purchaser of a new vehicle or from one dealer to another. The MCO cannot be transfered between two private individuals. .... US Customs never asked for anything except the original MCO...

I'm a little confused: you say the MCO can't be transfered except to the purchaser of a new vehicle or to a dealer, but that you had to produce it at US customs. Were you the original purchaser of this car, and it was a new car?

[EL820]

Hi there,
after a search i found your useful info but I cant seem to find where/who to send the copy of the repair order to Subaru of America.
In addition to that, do you know how long does it takes to get the refund?

Thanks in advance.

Call Subaru of America to find out where to mail your claims.

Another member posted on this thread about warranty claim...s/he received the refund cheque in about 2 weeks.

[yyz2hkg]

Hi there,
after a search i found your useful info but I cant seem to find where/who to send the copy of the repair order to Subaru of America.
In addition to that, do you know how long does it takes to get the refund?

Thanks in advance.


I can help you here...well, sort of...here's Subaru of America's phone number. Give them a call and inquire.

18007822783

Hope that gets you on the right track.

[SPaulS]

Please provide Information how to get DRL fixed on CAMRY 2008 LE.
Any place that fixes it . Please PM me.
Waiting for Completion of Form 2.
Thanks!

[NAFTAGO]

I can help you here...well, sort of...here's Subaru of America's phone number. Give them a call and inquire.

18007822783

Hope that gets you on the right track.

Thanks for the help.
In order to save you the call and long wait here it goes:

Mail your claim to:
Subaru of America
PO Box 6000
Cherry Hill New Jersey
ZIP 08034-6000

Attention: Dawn Morris

They couldn't tell me about any time frame.
Gosh I Love this site!

[Bincent]

Thanks for the help.
In order to save you the call and long wait here it goes:

Mail your claim to:
Subaru of America
PO Box 6000
Cherry Hill New Jersey
ZIP 08034-6000

Attention: Dawn Morris

They couldn't tell me about any time frame.
Gosh I Love this site!

Wow... did you already have to get warranty work done? If so, hope it wasn't something big.

For those of you that have purchased a new vehicle from the States, I've got a question regarding Regular Maintenance (ie. Oil Changes, brakes, etc.). is it recommended to get it done at a dealership during your warranty period? Does it void your warranty if you don't (ie. if you just go to your own independent mechanic)?

[bulgurc]

Is this letter needs to mention your name? How about the vehicle VIN. My guess is the only thing the letter needs to say is the Make, model and year of the vehicle?
Can somebody confirm it
(This is for Toyota)

[Marzipan]

Is this letter needs to mention your name? How about the vehicle VIN. My guess is the only thing the letter needs to say is the Make, model and year of the vehicle?
Can somebody confirm it
(This is for Toyota)

There is a page (http://www.riv.ca/english/html/recall_clearance.html) at the Registrar of Motor Vehicles site dealing with the Recall Letter.

[SPaulS]

Is this letter needs to mention your name? How about the vehicle VIN. My guess is the only thing the letter needs to say is the Make, model and year of the vehicle?
Can somebody confirm it
(This is for Toyota)

I don't think it matters, even though i have my name on the letter ( It was totally incorrect) when i mentioned it to CSR @ RIV over the phone , she said its ok.
But definitely you need to have VIN number.

[jadeboy]

I'm 99% certain you can still pay duty and GST by cheque to the Receiver General. AS for the RIV fee, I've no idea but cash should be king (assuming you're in the GTA and are going to their offices.).

Sorry, I saw your location and forget what I said about RIV. Call/email and find out.

I have confirmed by calling that the crossing at Coutt, Alberta will take personal/company cheque as long as you are not claiming GST back.

[michelb]

Is this letter needs to mention your name? How about the vehicle VIN. My guess is the only thing the letter needs to say is the Make, model and year of the vehicle?
Can somebody confirm it
(This is for Toyota)

I don't think it matters, even though i have my name on the letter ( It was totally incorrect) when i mentioned it to CSR @ RIV over the phone , she said its ok.
But definitely you need to have VIN number.

Don't need your name (mine didn't) but, as mentioned above, you absolutely need the VIN - they want to know that the specific car you are importing has no open recalls - how will they do that without the VIN ?!?

[Cars4Canadians]

Does anyone know how much the BMW 1-series will cost in Canada? With all the extra cost/hassle of buying the US, will it be worth importing a 128i?

Thanks.


You will always need to import, the *******s from BMW will never price their cars the same as the American versions. WE are too willing to get it up the ass from them.

[jingyu]

Will you able to register your car in Canada If you import a car with your USA relative/friend' name on MCO? Is any one here successfully go through this procedure? That would be a nice way if this can be done.

Interesting point. A couple questions here:
- First come to my mind is that how to qualify you as a importer. Do you have to be any registered business? Same to your friend down south, do they have to be a business to be a exporter?
- Will there be any trouble when you register your car at MTO as a personal-use car?

Many thanks in advance. This can be a route for lots of Candian finding their dream car in the states. :cheesygri

[ericky]

The MCO is supplied to the dealer from the manufacturer in the dealers name. The dealer then transfers the MCO to the purchaser [your friend or relative]of that new vehicle. An MCO can only be transfered from a dealer to the purchaser of a new vehicle or from one dealer to another. The MCO cannot be transfered between two private individuals. This is why your friend or relative is the exporter of record, you are the importer of record and the bill of sale from your US contact to you is dated for the day you bring it across. Worked for my new Ridgeline. US Customs never asked for anything except the original MCO. They checked in their system to make sure they had recieved a copy of the MCO 72 hours before I came across with the vehicle, stamped the original, and never came out to verify the serial number. I was on my way in 15 minutes.

When did you import your vehicle? I haven't heard of others doing this so I'm wondering if maybe this loophole has been closed.

[EL820]

Wow... did you already have to get warranty work done? If so, hope it wasn't something big.

For those of you that have purchased a new vehicle from the States, I've got a question regarding Regular Maintenance (ie. Oil Changes, brakes, etc.). is it recommended to get it done at a dealership during your warranty period? Does it void your warranty if you don't (ie. if you just go to your own independent mechanic)?

I'll be taking my vehicle to a Subaru dealer for oil changes since it's only $29.99. For other maintenance, I'll likely take it to my regular mechanic. As long as you have document and paperwork to proof that you have properly maintained your vehicle, SoA can't void your warranty.

[niceguy1234]

Please provide Information how to get DRL fixed on CAMRY 2008 LE.
Any place that fixes it . Please PM me.
Waiting for Completion of Form 2.
Thanks!

Have you done your DRL yet? I will pick up my 08 Camry SE V6 next week, and I want to find out how to fix the DRL too. I think CT can do it too. Maybe I should let the car for them to fix the DRL, Federal Inspection, and Provincal Inspection. (one stop service and save time, not save money though).

[bulgurc]

I was wondering whether anybody used Russ Browning as a broker here and if so what was your impression?

[gregolds]

Interesting point. A couple questions here:
- First come to my mind is that how to qualify you as a importer. Do you have to be any registered business? Same to your friend down south, do they have to be a business to be a exporter?
- Will there be any trouble when you register your car at MTO as a personal-use car?

Many thanks in advance. This can be a route for lots of Candian finding their dream car in the states. :cheesygri

As far as I know private individuals are allowed to import and export vehicles on either side of the border. Remember these are vehicles you own and for your own personal use. If you imported or exported several times in a year or so it might become an issue. [Revenue Canada- Report how much you made. Send us a check in that amount]

[gregolds]

I'm a little confused: you say the MCO can't be transfered except to the purchaser of a new vehicle or to a dealer, but that you had to produce it at US customs. Were you the original purchaser of this car, and it was a new car?

The vehicle was a new Honda Ridgeline. My friend in the US was the purchaser from the dealer. The dealers name and his name were on the MCO. I bought the car "used' from him with 20 miles on the odometer. That is why he is the exporter of record and the bill of sale I used at Canada Customs was dated for the day I crossed. US Customs is only interested in the MCO or Title so they can check to see if it is stolen. They really don't have an interest in what you paid for it or who is exporting it as long as it is done by the rules. Hope this helps. Nobody should have to buy a new car in Canada.

[gregolds]

Will you able to register your car in Canada If you import a car with your USA relative/friend' name on MCO? Is any one here successfully go through this procedure? That would be a nice way if this can be done.

The MCO or Title are American documents. You need one of these documents stamped by US Customs to export. Canada customs needs to see the stamped document in order for you to import. I only got this document because my friend in the US was an out of state buyer. If he purchased in his home state the MCO would have been forwarded to his state government vehicle licenseing dept and he would have to pay state tax. At no time was the dealer aware this vehicle was to be exported to Canada or he would have cancelled the deal.

[Marzipan]

Have you done your DRL yet? I will pick up my 08 Camry SE V6 next week, and I want to find out how to fix the DRL too. I think CT can do it too. Maybe I should let the car for them to fix the DRL, Federal Inspection, and Provincal Inspection. (one stop service and save time, not save money though).

Over on the Edmunds Forum, (http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.ef18c13) Post No. 3487, "bloogene" writes,

Hi
RE 2008 Camry DRLs

On the steering column lever for lights you will find Drl in small type.
Turn to that position Walla
Its been suggested by others they turn on the headlights then turn them off before
CTC inspector can get to the back.
If you put it in drl position they stay on for a short duration after turning off the key.
Hope you enjoy it as much as we enjoy ours.

[gregolds]

When did you import your vehicle? I haven't heard of others doing this so I'm wondering if maybe this loophole has been closed.

Brought the vehicle across in October. It was a 2007 built in May 2007. This is not a loophole. An MCO is as good as a title at US customs. The trick is to not let the dealer know you are exporting it to Canada, and have your friend purchase it out of state so no state taxes will have to be paid, and they will give him the MCO. The manufacturers make you feel like you are doing something illegal but we all know they are the thieves and liars. Anyone who hasn't signed the petition on "cars without borders" please do so and continue to monitor their website and give their efforts your full support. If you are waiting for the Canadian Government to do something, you may as well go down to your new car dealer tomorrow and give him a blank check. If you are a minister or priest you could offer to marry his parents for a $100 discount on that new car you just paid $5000 to $10000 too much for.

[niceguy1234]

Over on the Edmunds Forum, (http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.ef18c13) Post No. 3487, "bloogene" writes,

Hi
RE 2008 Camry DRLs

On the steering column lever for lights you will find Drl in small type.
Turn to that position Walla
Its been suggested by others they turn on the headlights then turn them off before
CTC inspector can get to the back.
If you put it in drl position they stay on for a short duration after turning off the key.
Hope you enjoy it as much as we enjoy ours.


I don't know if that solve the DRL issue. The US Camry has DRL with on/off switch. You should have no option to turn it off before CT pass the Form 2. I think CT charge about $120 to modify the DRL switch.

[sbender]

If I were to get a used 07 Toyota Camry off ebay from a private seller in the US what do I need to get before I drive off with the car (besides a recall letter)? Are title, ownership and registration the same thing? How does it legally get transferred to me? Is it just adding my name to a document he will already have, or do I have to go get it done at a government office while I'm there? Will the Toyota warranty it still has be valid in Canada? And one more thing, will a copy of the ebay page be sufficient as a bill of sale when doing the paperwork at the border?

Sorry for all the questions at once.
Thanks!

[allknowing]

You need the ownership faxed to the boarder 72 hours in advance. In canada you need the ownership signed over to you - perhaps the same thing in the US. You should write up a bill of sale stating the costs, date, etc incl the vin - that is the bill of sale - ebay printout too I guess wouldnt hurt. Thats all you need to get over the border. #1) the fax so they can check its not stolen #2) the price so they can charge you the gst.

[sos1]

Really enjoy this site. Look folks, Extended Warranties are a waste of money and your time. They only seem to benefit the the idiots selling them to you. Take those extra dollars and go on a nice vacation!!
The pathology of all these new cars are basically the same. If you don't have major problems in the first three years you won't later as long as you service and document that service according to the service schedules outlined by the manufacturer.
Now, if you have a Defective Product Issue, than you can file a Small Claims Court Action against the owner of the Dealership and the Service Manager. These claims all fall within the $10,000 threshhold and cost you less than $100.00 to file.
These cases are heard everyday in Ontario. Most cases are often settled to your satisfaction long before trial. Judges get it. They drive cars and are tired of being ripped off too.
This avenue never seems to be mentioned here. This is where your extended warranty lives to your benefit not theirs.
You never seen any of these Dealers/ manufacturers so humbled and so amenable to solving your problems. Even though you have been complaining for years. Please folks,you have everything to gain nothing to lose.

[zenon]

There is a used truck I want to buy in Massachussets. Massachussets doesn't issue temporary trip permits (which i know of course from all the info on www.carburner.com;)) Anyways, the vendor is telling me once I pay him he will courier me the registration and bill of sale so I can go into an MTO office and get an Ontario temporary trip permit http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/temp.htm which I can then use to drive it back to Ontario.
Does anyone know wether this will work? Even if I can get the MTO to issue the permit, is it legal to drive in the US with an Ontario trip permit?
thanks for any adivce, this thread has been very helpful.

[michelb]

Really enjoy this site. Look folks, Extended Warranties are a waste of money and your time. They only seem to benefit the the idiots selling them to you. Take those extra dollars and go on a nice vacation!!
The pathology of all these new cars are basically the same. If you don't have major problems in the first three years you won't later as long as you service and document that service according to the service schedules outlined by the manufacturer.
Now, if you have a Defective Product Issue, than you can file a Small Claims Court Action against the owner of the Dealership and the Service Manager. These claims all fall within the $10,000 threshhold and cost you less than $100.00 to file.
These cases are heard everyday in Ontario. Most cases are often settled to your satisfaction long before trial. Judges get it. They drive cars and are tired of being ripped off too.
This avenue never seems to be mentioned here. This is where your extended warranty lives to your benefit not theirs.
You never seen any of these Dealers/ manufacturers so humbled and so amenable to solving your problems. Even though you have been complaining for years. Please folks,you have everything to gain nothing to lose.

So what you are proposing is that we don't buy extended warranties and if 4 years from now, something breaks on the car we take the Dealership and Service Manager (both from US dealerships) to Small Claims Court in Canada because of a Defective Product Claim ? That sounds insane and I for one would be very, very surprised if you had any success but also, are you planning on doing this everytime something breaks? Personally, if I have to do this more than once or twice over the next 6 years, I'd rather just pay $1000 for the extended warranty.

[jac_3232]

There is a used truck I want to buy in Massachussets. Massachussets doesn't issue temporary trip permits (which i know of course from all the info on www.carburner.com;)) Anyways, the vendor is telling me once I pay him he will courier me the registration and bill of sale so I can go into an MTO office and get an Ontario temporary trip permit http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/temp.htm which I can then use to drive it back to Ontario.
Does anyone know wether this will work? Even if I can get the MTO to issue the permit, is it legal to drive in the US with an Ontario trip permit?
thanks for any adivce, this thread has been very helpful.

Don't think the MTO will give you a temp permit. They want to see your paperwork from the Canadian border showing you already imported the car, before they will give it to you. I tried once before.

[mangoman]

There is a used truck I want to buy in Massachussets. Massachussets doesn't issue temporary trip permits (which i know of course from all the info on www.carburner.com;)) Anyways, the vendor is telling me once I pay him he will courier me the registration and bill of sale so I can go into an MTO office and get an Ontario temporary trip permit http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/temp.htm which I can then use to drive it back to Ontario.
Does anyone know wether this will work? Even if I can get the MTO to issue the permit, is it legal to drive in the US with an Ontario trip permit?
thanks for any adivce, this thread has been very helpful.

I'm planning to do the same (used Mass. vehicle through an indep. broker though) and he is offering to leave his plates on for me to drive it out of state and then I can FedEx it back to him (apparently he's done this with a previous buyer). Anyone else care to share their experience?:confused:

[sos1]

So what you are proposing is that we don't buy extended warranties and if 4 years from now, something breaks on the car we take the Dealership and Service Manager (both from US dealerships) to Small Claims Court in Canada because of a Defective Product Claim ? That sounds insane and I for one would be very, very surprised if you had any success but also, are you planning on doing this everytime something breaks? Personally, if I have to do this more than once or twice over the next 6 years, I'd rather just pay $1000 for the extended warranty.

Yes,your right, in these cases you would just go after the manufacturer. If forget to mention them in the first place.These guys are worse, they show up in there $1000 suits looking so arrogant, showing nothing but contempt for the process. Your case is half won, when these idiots show up.
Please just try it!! You have nothing to lose, because you were getting nothing from the Dealer/Mfg in the first place!!

[zenon]

There is a used truck I want to buy in Massachussets. Massachussets doesn't issue temporary trip permits (which i know of course from all the info on www.carburner.com;)) Anyways, the vendor is telling me once I pay him he will courier me the registration and bill of sale so I can go into an MTO office and get an Ontario temporary trip permit http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/temp.htm which I can then use to drive it back to Ontario.
Does anyone know wether this will work? Even if I can get the MTO to issue the permit, is it legal to drive in the US with an Ontario trip permit?
thanks for any adivce, this thread has been very helpful.


OK I just got off the phone with the MTO. There are two types of temporary trip permits. One if the vehicle is already in your name and one if it isn't. The one they are talking about here http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/temp.htm only applies if the car is already registered to you so its not really applicable for those of us buying a car in the US.
There is another temporary permit you can get if the car is not in your name but IT IS NOT MENTIOEND ANYWHERE ON THE MTO WEBSITE. If the car is not registered in your name you can get a one time (as opposed to 4 per year for regualr temporary trip permit) 6 day (as opposed to 10 day) trip permit. You need three things to get it. A) the bill of sale, B) the title/registration, & C) proof of insurance.

I explained to the agent exactlly what I was planning to do: Buy the car in MA, have the documents shipped up to me, go down to MA and drive it back. She confirmed with me this is perferctly legal and she said all US states will honour the Ontario temporary trip permit. She noted however that I only have six days FROM THE DATE OF PURCHASE, NOT THE DATE I GET THE PERMIT to get the vehicle officaly registered in my name. That is not much time to import the car, get the RIV paperwork done, get the recall letter, get the safety and emissions test done, etc. Should I not get all that done in time, it is not possible to get another temporary permit.

So it seems like it is possible but not easy at all.

[Tender]

...I explained to the agent exactlly what I was planning to do: Buy the car in MA, have the documents shipped up to me, go down to MA and drive it back. She confirmed with me this is perferctly legal and she said all US states will honour the Ontario temporary trip permit. She noted however that I only have six days FROM THE DATE OF PURCHASE, NOT THE DATE I GET THE PERMIT to get the vehicle officaly registered in my name. That is not much time to import the car, get the RIV paperwork done, get the recall letter, get the safety and emissions test done, etc. Should I not get all that done in time, it is not possible to get another temporary permit.

So it seems like it is possible but not easy at all.

What does that mean? Six days from when you signed the purchase agreement? What if you're buying a new car, and the dealer has to order from the factory? By the time the car arrives, it could be way over the six days from the purchase date. And what if there is modifications requirements on the car?

[Lost Horizon]

Yes,your right, in these cases you would just go after the manufacturer. If forget to mention them in the first place.These guys are worse, they show up in there $1000 suits looking so arrogant, showing nothing but contempt for the process. Your case is half won, when these idiots show up.

Please just try it!! You have nothing to lose, because you were getting nothing from the Dealer/Mfg in the first place!!

I think we are mixing metaphors re: extended warranty vs small claims court, but your point about using SCC is well advised as a process to get their attention.

In my case, my (Canadian overpriced) BMW arrived without an external oil cooler, even tho they demo'd the package to me with it. Notwithstanding the sales argument that I should buy Canadian vs US to get the "better" support and "better" options, when I pointed out that the performance package was missing the cooler, they essentially told me to get lost.

After that, their people (lawyers?) basically said if I tried to recover my costs, they (their customer Interaction Team Leader, Richard Kenton-Weeks) communicated to me in very clear terms in a formal letter:

(quote)
"If **** feels it necessary ..(etc) .. to resolve this matter, we will vigorously defend our interests and seek appropriate redress for our costs"

Kind of an "all in" play on their part to make sure I would fold.. What the gucci shoed pin stripes showing up in the heli-jet fail to understand is that small claims court won't let them do that. Further, it's a judge crap shoot for them like the OP says.. it's half won when they show up.. They are fish out of water with the little people, including the judge who sits at the front of that court..

I've termed that approach to after purchase canadian support as the BMWaterboarding Technique. There has to be some humor in there somewhere... still looking.. wheeze.. gasp.... *cough*.. *cough*...

[the Bez]

The vehicle was a new Honda Ridgeline. My friend in the US was the purchaser from the dealer. The dealers name and his name were on the MCO. I bought the car "used' from him with 20 miles on the odometer. That is why he is the exporter of record and the bill of sale I used at Canada Customs was dated for the day I crossed. US Customs is only interested in the MCO or Title so they can check to see if it is stolen. They really don't have an interest in what you paid for it or who is exporting it as long as it is done by the rules. Hope this helps. Nobody should have to buy a new car in Canada.

A few questions:

- Was your friend present at the time you crossed the border?

- If so did he handle the export process and make US Customs aware that the vehicle had been sold to you?

- If he wasn't present I am surprised that US Customs allowed you to proceed with the export of a vehicle on which your name does not appear on the MCO.....how would they know that you didn't steal it? Is the bill of sale all you need to transfer ownership of a vehicle in the US? I would have expected they would require not only the bill of sale but a DMV registration signed over to you by your friend (the original purchaser). In Canada the vehicle would have to be registered first before you can sell it privately. Is that not the case in the US?

- Did you know for sure that this would work when you tried it or were just hoping for the best?

I wonder if the US Customs guys just neglected to ask for the DMV registration signed over to you or whether they really don't need it.

Has anyone else tried this? Let us know if it worked please. I am reluctant to try it in case there is a complication and the vehicle ends up getting seized or something.

[HP_John]

I received my MCO but it isn't notarized (you have to fax it to the US border 72 hrs in advance). I tried calling them but had to leave a message instead. The car is arriving in NY state soon, I need to know will I have any problems? Should I send it back to the dealer in California to have it notarized? This would delay my ability to pickup the car & I'd end up having to pay storage fees.

On the front, it is certified & signed by an agent of Infiniti corporate but on the back, there is a place for a public notary. I haven't been able to get any info as to whether NY state requires the MCO to be notarized.

[GoogleFish]

OK I just got off the phone with the MTO. There are two types of temporary trip permits. One if the vehicle is already in your name and one if it isn't. The one they are talking about here http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/temp.htm only applies if the car is already registered to you so its not really applicable for those of us buying a car in the US.
There is another temporary permit you can get if the car is not in your name but IT IS NOT MENTIOEND ANYWHERE ON THE MTO WEBSITE. If the car is not registered in your name you can get a one time (as opposed to 4 per year for regualr temporary trip permit) 6 day (as opposed to 10 day) trip permit. You need three things to get it. A) the bill of sale, B) the title/registration, & C) proof of insurance.

I explained to the agent exactlly what I was planning to do: Buy the car in MA, have the documents shipped up to me, go down to MA and drive it back. She confirmed with me this is perferctly legal and she said all US states will honour the Ontario temporary trip permit. She noted however that I only have six days FROM THE DATE OF PURCHASE, NOT THE DATE I GET THE PERMIT to get the vehicle officaly registered in my name. That is not much time to import the car, get the RIV paperwork done, get the recall letter, get the safety and emissions test done, etc. Should I not get all that done in time, it is not possible to get another temporary permit.

So it seems like it is possible but not easy at all.

Once you purchase the car and make payment, the car is in your "name" (i.e. purchaser signs over the registration or title to you).

I was able to get a temporary plate from MTO after providing them with the title of the vehicle. Title was signed over to me by the seller (used car dealer). I didn't try to use the temp plates in the US (didn't need to), but used it once the car was on Canadian soil (just to be safe, but others have used US temp plates in Ontario).

[crasher]

A few questions:

- Was your friend present at the time you crossed the border?

- If so did he handle the export process and make US Customs aware that the vehicle had been sold to you?

- If he wasn't present I am surprised that US Customs allowed you to proceed with the export of a vehicle on which your name does not appear on the MCO.....how would they know that you didn't steal it? Is the bill of sale all you need to transfer ownership of a vehicle in the US? I would have expected they would require not only the bill of sale but a DMV registration signed over to you by your friend (the original purchaser). In Canada the vehicle would have to be registered first before you can sell it privately. Is that not the case in the US?

- Did you know for sure that this would work when you tried it or were just hoping for the best?

I wonder if the US Customs guys just neglected to ask for the DMV registration signed over to you or whether they really don't need it.

Has anyone else tried this? Let us know if it worked please. I am reluctant to try it in case there is a complication and the vehicle ends up getting seized or something.

Truckers transport dozens of vehicle. They dont have MCO issued in their name. All US cares that the exporter have original MCO in their hand, if it is stolen you wont have that with you, also atleast owner will report in 72 hrs of getting it stolen.:lol:

[Monsieurmaggot]

Once you purchase the car and make payment, the car is in your "name" (i.e. purchaser signs over the registration or title to you).

I was able to get a temporary plate from MTO after providing them with the title of the vehicle. Title was signed over to me by the seller (used car dealer). I didn't try to use the temp plates in the US (didn't need to), but used it once the car was on Canadian soil (just to be safe, but others have used US temp plates in Ontario).


There are no real rules on Ontario Transit permits. You could get different answers from the same facility depending on who you talk to. Since most of the knuckleheads working in the agent office are part-timers or transient workers, they can't deal with odd questions like "trip permits" so simply tell you no.

I went in to a local MTO office and told the lady I was buying a car. I gave her the Model and VIN number. She gave me a 10-day transit permit. Some RFDers went to their local MTO office and did exactly the same thing as me and were denied others had no issues.

I was told I needed an emission test and a safety. When I confronted the knob behind the counter with a stern "You are mistaken as I confirmed it with the MTO directly. You better call the 800 MTO agent support number". She was stunned that I knew about their support number. After a few minutes her supervisor came by and sent me on my way without the need for a safety or emission test.

[bargainhuntr]

I received my MCO but it isn't notarized (you have to fax it to the US border 72 hrs in advance). I tried calling them but had to leave a message instead. The car is arriving in NY state soon, I need to know will I have any problems? Should I send it back to the dealer in California to have it notarized? This would delay my ability to pickup the car & I'd end up having to pay storage fees.

On the front, it is certified & signed by an agent of Infiniti corporate but on the back, there is a place for a public notary. I haven't been able to get any info as to whether NY state requires the MCO to be notarized.

Others can correct me, but I believe New York State won't give a damn about your MSO, its the CBP (US Customs) who gets the MSO 72 hrs before export. The MSO acts as a title until the vehicle is first registered. It should be signed over to you on the back side when you received it from your dealer. The CBP will check to see if the vehicle is stolen and if not stamp the MSO and your off to the Canadian side for your Form 1 and pay GST, Air Tax, etc.

[hnewfie]

I'm planning to do the same (used Mass. vehicle through an indep. broker though) and he is offering to leave his plates on for me to drive it out of state and then I can FedEx it back to him (apparently he's done this with a previous buyer). Anyone else care to share their experience?:confused:


I purchased a vehicle in Baltimore, Maryland and was not able to get a temporary license plate either. The seller left his plate on for me as well and I express mailed it back to them when I got home. I had no problem with the arrangement at the border and was not questioned about it once.

When I needed to take the car for inspection I got an in transit sticker from my registry for the destination and then registered the car.

[rgc97]

Dealer won't notarize the MCO until you pay and payment clears (prevents a fraudulent purchase). US Border only wants a copy of the MCO 72 hrs in advance -- doesn't have to be notarized (and usually isn't). Since you already have it, simply fax it to US border. When you pick up the vehicle, dealer will notarize MCO (transfer ownership to you). You'll take this original to the US border, where it will be stamped. Then it's across the border, etc.

Also remember to write the VIN in large block letters at the top (as rqd).

Best wishes!



I received my MCO but it isn't notarized (you have to fax it to the US border 72 hrs in advance). I tried calling them but had to leave a message instead. The car is arriving in NY state soon, I need to know will I have any problems? Should I send it back to the dealer in California to have it notarized? This would delay my ability to pickup the car & I'd end up having to pay storage fees.

On the front, it is certified & signed by an agent of Infiniti corporate but on the back, there is a place for a public notary. I haven't been able to get any info as to whether NY state requires the MCO to be notarized.

[UAToronto]

Many thanks to this forum, I successfully imported my 2004 Lexus RX330! For those who don't have any insurance before may try Economical Mutual. I got mine through a broker.

Good luck!

[SPaulS]

Have you done your DRL yet? I will pick up my 08 Camry SE V6 next week, and I want to find out how to fix the DRL too. I think CT can do it too. Maybe I should let the car for them to fix the DRL, Federal Inspection, and Provincal Inspection. (one stop service and save time, not save money though).




Not yet, found some information on Toyota Nation , hoping that will work. Will post once it is done.

[mangoman]

I purchased a vehicle in Baltimore, Maryland and was not able to get a temporary license plate either. The seller left his plate on for me as well and I express mailed it back to them when I got home. I had no problem with the arrangement at the border and was not questioned about it once.

When I needed to take the car for inspection I got an in transit sticker from my registry for the destination and then registered the car.

Thanks! That reassures me a lot more! :)

[HP_John]

Dealer won't notarize the MCO until you pay and payment clears (prevents a fraudulent purchase). US Border only wants a copy of the MCO 72 hrs in advance -- doesn't have to be notarized (and usually isn't). Since you already have it, simply fax it to US border. When you pick up the vehicle, dealer will notarize MCO (transfer ownership to you). You'll take this original to the US border, where it will be stamped. Then it's across the border, etc.

Also remember to write the VIN in large block letters at the top (as rqd).

Best wishes!

Shipping company already has possession of the car, & I have the original MCO (with no notary public signed on the back). Front is completely filled in, & dealer rep has signed the back.

What do you mean by having to write the VIN in large block letters at the top? On the original MCO they gave me, under "Vehicle Identification No." near the top, the VIN is already printed on & appears sufficiently large. I faxed this to the US border people.

[gregolds]

A few questions:

- Was your friend present at the time you crossed the border?

- If so did he handle the export process and make US Customs aware that the vehicle had been sold to you?

- If he wasn't present I am surprised that US Customs allowed you to proceed with the export of a vehicle on which your name does not appear on the MCO.....how would they know that you didn't steal it? Is the bill of sale all you need to transfer ownership of a vehicle in the US? I would have expected they would require not only the bill of sale but a DMV registration signed over to you by your friend (the original purchaser). In Canada the vehicle would have to be registered first before you can sell it privately. Is that not the case in the US?

- Did you know for sure that this would work when you tried it or were just hoping for the best?

I wonder if the US Customs guys just neglected to ask for the DMV registration signed over to you or whether they really don't need it.

Has anyone else tried this? Let us know if it worked please. I am reluctant to try it in case there is a complication and the vehicle ends up getting seized or something.
Just call US Customs where you will cross and ask them. RIV will give you the same info if you talk to someone there who knows what they are talking about. You are confusing Canadian regulations with US.

[bargainhuntr]

What do you mean by having to write the VIN in large block letters at the top? On the original MCO they gave me, under "Vehicle Identification No." near the top, the VIN is already printed on & appears sufficiently large. I faxed this to the US border people.

Different border crossings seem to have different procedures as to faxing the MCO's. Some like the VIN numbers in big bold writing on the front of the MCO with no cover letter, others, like Detroit where I crossed, prefered the MCO with a one page cover letter with the VIN number, exporters contact info and a fax confirmation of when I sent the MCO. Not sure of where you are crossing but it seems you'll just have to wait until your new vehicle gets there. Good Luck

[hotgo]

Wow. I got the RIV sticker in the mail exactly one week after importing. I imported my Outback last Tuesday and got the sticker yesterday... impressive. I can now say that my car is 100% imported... no remaining action items at all...

[sbender]

The used car I'm looking at purchasing in the US currently has no license plates. Is it possible to get temporary plates with a temporary permit to drive it either here in Canada beforehand, or when I pick the car up in the US?

[Monsieurmaggot]

Wow. I got the RIV sticker in the mail exactly one week after importing. I imported my Outback last Tuesday and got the sticker yesterday... impressive. I can now say that my car is 100% imported... no remaining action items at all...

Remember to keep all you proof of tax payments in the event you're one of the 25% of the importers in Ontario who get a notice from the Ministry of Finance demanding proof of all tax payments.

I got a letter, faxed in the receipts as requested and the guy was a happy camper.

[michelb]

The used car I'm looking at purchasing in the US currently has no license plates. Is it possible to get temporary plates with a temporary permit to drive it either here in Canada beforehand, or when I pick the car up in the US?

I think it really depends on where you live and where you are importing from. As mentioned a few posts above, Ontario seems to have vague rules about giving out temp permits for vehicles not currently in Canada - some were able to get some but others were told that you couldn't get them until the car was actually in Canada (that's what I was told when I asked them). Also depends where you are buying the vehicle from; some states don't have temp permits (e.g. Massachusetts) and others you can only get them if you buy from a dealership (e.g. Maryland I think) while many others will give you a temp permit no problem (e.g. non-residents in Arizona can get 90 day temporary permits).

[kplange]

I think it really depends on where you live and where you are importing from. As mentioned a few posts above, Ontario seems to have vague rules about giving out temp permits for vehicles not currently in Canada - some were able to get some but others were told that you couldn't get them until the car was actually in Canada (that's what I was told when I asked them). Also depends where you are buying the vehicle from; some states don't have temp permits (e.g. Massachusetts) and others you can only get them if you buy from a dealership (e.g. Maryland I think) while many others will give you a temp permit no problem (e.g. non-residents in Arizona can get 90 day temporary permits).

Arizona will give you a temporary permit from anywhere from a week to 90 days, but will charge you sales tax before handing it over.

[niceguy1234]

Whoever want to buy new Infiniti or Toyota, there are still authorized dealers in WA state who are willing to sell new car to you:

Infiniti of Kirland: www.infinitiofkirland.com
You may ask for price discount from MSRP, as well as the export fee. Yes they charge export fee of $895. DRL fix for $368.

Wilson Motors: www.wilsonmotors.com
You may need to pay MSRP, but don't don't charge export fee.

[michelb]

Arizona will give you a temporary permit from anywhere from a week to 90 days, but will charge you sales tax before handing it over.

Unless this has recently changed, this is incorrect. I purchased a vehicle this year from a used car dealership in Phoenix, AZ and got a 90 day temp permit and did not pay any tax (I actually got 2 AZ temp permits - the dealership gave me a standard (10 day or something) temp permit but non-residents can apply to get a 90 day temp permit at the DMV so I did that).

It's possible that I had to sign a document to say that I was 'tax-exempt' though.

-- update

Although it doesn't say Canada explicitly, I believe Canadians fall under the 'states without a reciprocity agreement' mentioned here http://www.revenue.state.az.us/TpT/Motorvehiclesale/mvtaxrate.htm and thus don't pay AZ tax.

[kplange]

Well it may be a technicality here, but I purchased a vehicle in Nevada, got a ten day permit, brought it back to my winter home in AZ. A week later, I visited the DMV, explained that I was a permanent Canadian resident who needed a 90 day permit to take the car back to Canada at some point (within the 90 day alloted period). The two women went back and forth then one of them picked up the phone and relayed the information. She then told me that I would have to pay sales tax before ANY permit of any duration was given to me. Not being in a position to argue, I paid the sales tax, plus registration fee (just over $2000). Too me, it was worth having the peace of mind of having the car available to drive for the winter. The ninety day permit would have had me taking the car back to Canada a month before I wanted to anyway. Further to this, a month later, I got a bill from the City of Mesa, asking for a further $500 for a "usage tax". I argued that one and lost that argument as well. Oh well, it's only money!!

[perfchris]

Whoever want to buy new Infiniti or Toyota, there are still authorized dealers in state who are willing to sell new car to you:


You may ask for price discount from MSRP, as well as the export fee. Yes they charge export fee of $895. DRL fix for $368.


You may need to pay MSRP, but don't don't charge export fee.

I know you want to be a nice guy as your username might attest, I strongly suggest you REMOVE those names from your post. There are many Toyota lurkers out there ready to close the pipeline...... Probably a bonus for the whistleblower....

[tuzzi]

Whoever want to buy new Infiniti or Toyota, there are still authorized dealers in WA state who are willing to sell new car to you:

Infiniti of Kirland: www.infinitiofkirland.com
You may ask for price discount from MSRP, as well as the export fee. Yes they charge export fee of $895. DRL fix for $368.

Wilson Motors: www.wilsonmotors.com
You may need to pay MSRP, but don't don't charge export fee.

If you go farther down to Oregon there are Infiniti Dealers that don't charge you an "export fee" of $895.00 Thats a rip off

[michelb]

Well it may be a technicality here, but I purchased a vehicle in Nevada, got a ten day permit, brought it back to my winter home in AZ. A week later, I visited the DMV, explained that I was a permanent Canadian resident who needed a 90 day permit to take the car back to Canada at some point (within the 90 day alloted period). The two women went back and forth then one of them picked up the phone and relayed the information. She then told me that I would have to pay sales tax before ANY permit of any duration was given to me. Not being in a position to argue, I paid the sales tax, plus registration fee (just over $2000). Too me, it was worth having the peace of mind of having the car available to drive for the winter. The ninety day permit would have had me taking the car back to Canada a month before I wanted to anyway. Further to this, a month later, I got a bill from the City of Mesa, asking for a further $500 for a "usage tax". I argued that one and lost that argument as well. Oh well, it's only money!!

The problem in this case is that you are an AZ resident during the winter so you obviously can't claim 'non-residency'. Not sure if you are still in AZ but if so, if you can keep the car registered in AZ for 6 months, you might be able to fall under 'resident returning to Canada' and get the first $10k of the value tax free (e.g. as the returning resident, if you are importing a car worth $22k, you'd only be taxed on $12k).

[SeeWhy2]

Wow. I got the RIV sticker in the mail exactly one week after importing. I imported my Outback last Tuesday and got the sticker yesterday... impressive. I can now say that my car is 100% imported... no remaining action items at all...

Unless you get a letter from the Ontario Ministry of Finance - which myself and a few others have received.

They asked for documentation/confirmation on the purchase price and the Casual (short form) Goods Accounting document from the Canadian Border Services. They are making sure that all taxes have been paid.

It was no big deal and I haven't heard back from them but just so you know -you might get one.

FYI,

[Cars4Canadians]

BMW, Mercedes, and Audi are totally out of their mind with their pricing. They should go to hell and choke on their gouged profits.

[bulgurc]

I am trying to purchase through a friend in US. I got my quote. They don't know I am Cdn. However the dealer is saying that he cannot release the MCO to my friend, it needs to go to the state and she has to pay state taxes before they release it to her (along with her plates). Dealer is in Ohio, my friend is Pensylvania.

Any ideas? Should I try another dealer. They says it is state law

[kplange]

The problem in this case is that you are an AZ resident during the winter so you obviously can't claim 'non-residency'. Not sure if you are still in AZ but if so, if you can keep the car registered in AZ for 6 months, you might be able to fall under 'resident returning to Canada' and get the first $10k of the value tax free (e.g. as the returning resident, if you are importing a car worth $22k, you'd only be taxed on $12k).

Michelb. I checked out the link that you posted and emailed them with my questions. Their response, of course, is that I am an AZ resident, for tax purposes, since I own property here. Funny, since the IRS considers me a "non resident". I guess any way to get a few extra tax dollars.

You brought up a good point about keeping the car down here for six months. That is definitely possible. Do you know who I contact to fill out forms regarding this specific issue? I'm sure this would complicate the importation procedure quite a bit. If you have any further information, I'd appreciate it. I'm not quite sure where to start. Thanks for your help.

[mangoman]

I am trying to purchase through a friend in US. I got my quote. They don't know I am Cdn. However the dealer is saying that he cannot release the MCO to my friend, it needs to go to the state and she has to pay state taxes before they release it to her (along with her plates). Dealer is in Ohio, my friend is Pensylvania.

Any ideas? Should I try another dealer. They says it is state law

Send this link from the Ohio State Government's tax site (which I found through the link on the Carburner.com site) to your friend and ask them to send it to the dealer/print it/fax it . It says that buyers from states that aren't already specifically listed do not pay sales tax.

http://tax.ohio.gov/divisions/sales_and_use/documents/MVDealerNReff8-1-07.pdf

[bulgurc]

It is not a tax issue. Dealer will not charge her state tax. However dealer says he cannot release MCO to her, it will be sent to the state and she cannot get it from them without paying state tax.

[ac328]

If you go farther down to Oregon there are Infiniti Dealers that don't charge you an "export fee" of $895.00 Thats a rip off

Kirkland Infiniti were pretty unpleasant when I was exploring getting a G35.

Try Beaverton Infiniti in Beaverton, Oregon, just outside Portland. Much more pleasant and courteous, and more willing to move on pricing too. No "mandatory" charges for installing DRLs either, salesman told me to DIY.

Ended up with a Subaru but had I gone with G35 I would likely have bought from Beaverton.

[michelb]

Michelb. I checked out the link that you posted and emailed them with my questions. Their response, of course, is that I am an AZ resident, for tax purposes, since I own property here. Funny, since the IRS considers me a "non resident". I guess any way to get a few extra tax dollars.

You brought up a good point about keeping the car down here for six months. That is definitely possible. Do you know who I contact to fill out forms regarding this specific issue? I'm sure this would complicate the importation procedure quite a bit. If you have any further information, I'd appreciate it. I'm not quite sure where to start. Thanks for your help.

Unfortunately, it might not help you that much - I thought you just needed to have it registered elsewhere for 6 months but looks like I'm wrong. I didn't read the whole document but it looks like you have to be out a 'non-resident' of Canada for 1 year to use the $10k exemption (http://cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/pub/rc4105-eng.pdf). :cry:

[superwell]

for anyone that imported a Honda, can you please pm me the names of dealerships you used.

thanks!!

[kplange]

Unfortunately, it might not help you that much - I thought you just needed to have it registered elsewhere for 6 months but looks like I'm wrong. I didn't read the whole document but it looks like you have to be out a 'non-resident' of Canada for 1 year to use the $10k exemption (http://cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/pub/rc4105-eng.pdf). :cry:

Well, I guess I'll keep the checkbook handy. Thanks for your research, michelb.

[bulgurc]

I talked to Ohio registration office, apparently they do retain the MCO and they give you a certified copy of the title (Not even the real thing). So what I understand about the process of "Using a US friend", it will not work with Ohio

[Cars4Canadians]

Well the Canadians get to bend over and grease up some more, just found out the Audi A5 will start around 51K here, yet the same thing is priced at 40K in the USA. 3 cheers for living in this Country, anyone need some vasoline?

[d-kim]

Well the Canadians get to bend over and grease up some more, just found out the Audi A5 will start around 51K here, yet the same thing is priced at 40K in the USA. 3 cheers for living in this Country, anyone need some vasoline?

with lower financing rates!

[Cars4Canadians]

with lower financing rates!

You mean the vasoline comes with financing now? :)

[Bailey4427]

I'm going to Virginia next week to bring over my Toyota. I'll be coming across the Queenston/Lewiston Bridge. I was going to stop off at the US Customs office to get my title stamped, but I'm not sure now. I've been talking to at least 3 friends from work that by-passed the whole US Customs stamp thing and just came straight to the Canadian side when they brought over theirs. They never had a problem getting over and the CBSA (Canadian Border) never even asked for the stamped title.

Anyone tried this? If so what were your results?

The reason I'm asking is because US Cust. have stupid hours (8-4 M-F) and that would mean I would have to stay in Niagara Falls for the night.
Is it worth it?

P.S. Someone told me that if you don't get it stamped you will have trouble crossing the border with that vehicle in the future...US Cust. might "possibly" consider the vehicle stolen....true?

[brendonp]

I'm going to Virginia next week to bring over my Toyota. I'll be coming across the Queenston/Lewiston Bridge. I was going to stop off at the US Customs office to get my title stamped, but I'm not sure now. I've been talking to at least 3 friends from work that by-passed the whole US Customs stamp thing and just came straight to the Canadian side when they brought over theirs. They never had a problem getting over and the CBSA (Canadian Border) never even asked for the stamped title.

Anyone tried this? If so what were your results?

The reason I'm asking is because US Cust. have stupid hours (8-4 M-F) and that would mean I would have to stay in Niagara Falls for the night.
Is it worth it?

P.S. Someone told me that if you don't get it stamped you will have trouble crossing the border with that vehicle in the future...US Cust. might "possibly" consider the vehicle stolen....true?

Depends on the CBSA person you get; I've gone across twice myself with vehicles and have a friend that has brought back 3 in the last few years - neither of us ever presented anything stamped by US side... the last vehicle across between the two of us was in August, so I don't know if things have changed.

[bargainhuntr]

I am trying to purchase through a friend in US. I got my quote. They don't know I am Cdn. However the dealer is saying that he cannot release the MCO to my friend, it needs to go to the state and she has to pay state taxes before they release it to her (along with her plates). Dealer is in Ohio, my friend is Pensylvania.

Any ideas? Should I try another dealer. They says it is state law

Should be no problem for the resident of Pennsy to buy the car in Ohio tax free. The problem I encountered in Ohio was that the taxation people said I would be tax exempt but the folks at the DMV wanted me to title the vehicle and pay the 6% sales tax. The two government offices seem to act independent of each other. Needless to say it killed my deal and I had to move on to the next state. I have a few links to Ohio taxation sites that I'll pass on if you PM me. Maybe you'll have better luck....

[bulgurc]

I think I am gonna try to use NY instead

[t_garp]

Whoever want to buy new Infiniti or Toyota, there are still authorized dealers in WA state who are willing to sell new car to you:

Infiniti of Kirland: www.infinitiofkirland.com
You may ask for price discount from MSRP, as well as the export fee. Yes they charge export fee of $895. DRL fix for $368.

Wilson Motors: www.wilsonmotors.com
You may need to pay MSRP, but don't don't charge export fee.

For Infiniti, use www.fleetrates.com they usually get their cars from Infiniti of Santa Monica, CA. Trust me, you will save at least $2-4k vs. the jokers of Infiniti of Seattle.

Fleet rates will arrange shippingfor your car to Blaine, WA. It is very simple...It may take a few extra days, but the savings are worth it.
My Infiniti FX35 arrives Monday and I will post about my import experience...

For Infiniti, the recall clearance letter was painless to get. Infiniti USA's call centre is in Hamilton, Ontario!!!

[baboo]

For Infiniti, use www.fleetrates.com they usuallt get their cars from Infiniti of Santa Monica, CA. Trust me, you wil save at least $2-4k vs. the jokers of Infiniti of Seattle.

Fleet rates will arrange shippingfor your car to Blaine, WA. It is vert simple...It may take a few extra days, but the savings are worth it.
My Infiniti FX35 arrives Monday and I will post about my import experience...

For Infiniti, the recall clearance letter was painless to get. Infiniti USA's call centre is in Hamilton, Ontario!!!

nice..i heard good things about fleerates as well....let us know how the process went...

[sbender]

Well I won the ebay auction for the 2007 Camry I was after so I'm planning to fly down to NY to pick up my car and drive it back. The private seller has already got the recall letter for me. My question is what do I have to do with the seller to complete the transaction? He has a Certificate of Title that says there was a lien on it, but also has a document from Toyota stating that it has been paid off and their security interest in the vehicle has been satisfied. Is the Certificate of Title the same as a Certificate of Origin, or are they separate documents, and do I need both? I had the seller fax the title to the Queenston bridge where I'll be crossing, that's all they're looking for 3 days in advance, right?

How does the title actually switch over to me, do you just fill out something on the back, or do I have to do a transaction at the local dmv?

I also need to get temp plates for it so I called the dmv and I just have to fill out a form, show some documents and give them $10 for it.

Thanks!

[ryandk]

Here's the official pricing for the BMW 1-series in Canada:

128i Coupe $33,900
128i Cabriolet $39,900
135i Coupe $41,700
135i Cabriolet $47,200

Freight & PDI $2195 (grrr...)

[bulgurc]

Title has to be signed in the back and faxed to the border like an MCO. I don't believe you need the MCO. Give US Customs a call and ask. Carburner has the phone number (Just press 0)
A good site I find about US car tansactions is http://www.dmv.org It is separwted state by state

[bargainhuntr]

Title has to be signed in the back and faxed to the border like an MCO. I don't believe you need the MCO. Give US Customs a call and ask. Carburner has the phone number (Just press 0)
A good site I find about US car tansactions is http://www.dmv.org It is separwted state by state

You wouldn't have the MCO unless it was a brand new vehicle. The first time it got registered the DMV would of kept it and provided a title (ownership) card which your seller has already faxed to Lewiston.

[sbender]

Does the back of the title also have to be faxed to the border, or just the front?

[bargainhuntr]

Does the back of the title also have to be faxed to the border, or just the front?

When I went through Detroit/Windsor they only required the front of the MCO. I'm not sure about Lewiston. They are only looking for the VIN. Be sure the fax is legible. It might be worth the phone call.

[johnnydee]

I'm going to Virginia next week to bring over my Toyota. I'll be coming across the Queenston/Lewiston Bridge. I was going to stop off at the US Customs office to get my title stamped, but I'm not sure now. I've been talking to at least 3 friends from work that by-passed the whole US Customs stamp thing and just came straight to the Canadian side when they brought over theirs. They never had a problem getting over and the CBSA (Canadian Border) never even asked for the stamped title.

Anyone tried this? If so what were your results?

The reason I'm asking is because US Cust. have stupid hours (8-4 M-F) and that would mean I would have to stay in Niagara Falls for the night.
Is it worth it?

P.S. Someone told me that if you don't get it stamped you will have trouble crossing the border with that vehicle in the future...US Cust. might "possibly" consider the vehicle stolen....true?

You may or may not have a problem!
I bought a used BMW from a BMW dealer who said they would take care of the paperwork becaues they do it all the time!
I got to the border and US customs says they have no VIN request for my vehicle! It seems the dealer sent the request to the wrong fax #.
I crossed the border without the stamp and was told that because I bought it from a BMW dealer that they "the dealer" would not sell a vehicle with a lien against it and allowed me in without the US title stamped!
I would not count on it though because you still are required to have a title stamped for export.
Good luck!

[hotgo]

Remember to keep all you proof of tax payments in the event you're one of the 25% of the importers in Ontario who get a notice from the Ministry of Finance demanding proof of all tax payments.

I got a letter, faxed in the receipts as requested and the guy was a happy camper.

I guess I was one of the 25%. Just got my letter requesting proof of tax payment. Just dropped the envelope in the mail. Hopefully that's that.

[joejack]

Does the back of the title also have to be faxed to the border, or just the front?

I crossed via Lewiston bridge back in Nov 2007 and had faxed them both sides of the title. Of course, the back side of the title was already signed over to my name.

[Bailey4427]

You may or may not have a problem!
I bought a used BMW from a BMW dealer who said they would take care of the paperwork becaues they do it all the time!
I got to the border and US customs says they have no VIN request for my vehicle! It seems the dealer sent the request to the wrong fax #.
I crossed the border without the stamp and was told that because I bought it from a BMW dealer that they "the dealer" would not sell a vehicle with a lien against it and allowed me in without the US title stamped!
I would not count on it though because you still are required to have a title stamped for export.
Good luck!

Thanks Johnny,
I'm wondering if that wasn't the case in your situation and it wasn't a official BMW dealer, would they seize the vehicle or just tell you to leave and come back in 72 hrs?
Because if they told me to leave and come back, I'd just leave and cross over maybe 1/2 hr later and say to hell with the stamp and everything. But if I knew they'd seize the vehicle, I CERTAINLY wouldn't even bother getting it stamped...why take that risk...

Anyone know?
Any other situations of not having the stamp?

[joejack]

I guess I was one of the 25%. Just got my letter requesting proof of tax payment. Just dropped the envelope in the mail. Hopefully that's that.

+1 for me. I also received a letter from Ministry of Finance (Ontario) asking for customs form as well as the bill of sale. I will be mailing the stuff later today and hoping that will be the end of this.

[Bailey4427]

I crossed via Lewiston bridge back in Nov 2007 and had faxed them both sides of the title. Of course, the back side of the title was already signed over to my name.

Before faxing the title, does it have to be signed over? Or can you just fax the unsigned, then 3 days later take the original that is signed?

Aren't they just checking to see if theres liens or its stolen?

[joejack]

Well so far I have bought two (2) cars from the US. One recently in 2007 and one back in 2000 when I moved to Toronto from the US.

During my recent trip I stopped at the US border customs office to have the title stamped, however, back in 2000, I simply passed the US border part of the process and did not have any issue with importing/registering the car here in Ontario.

Now, I have never driven the car (from 2000) back into the US so I can't comment on if there will be a problem on that side.

Also, when I was registering my car from my recent trip at the RIV office, there were two guys in line with me who passed the Windsor border without stopping at US customs and they didn't have any problem either (at least at the RIV).

Hope this helps.

P.S. In the grand scheme of things, $75 night hotel, maybe some lost wages at work is not a big price to pay to make sure everything is by the book. Back in 2000, I didn't even know about the US border stopping process, otherwise, I am sure I would have stopped.

[Cars4Canadians]

Here's the official pricing for the BMW 1-series in Canada:

128i Coupe $33,900
128i Cabriolet $39,900
135i Coupe $41,700
135i Cabriolet $47,200

Freight & PDI $2195 (grrr...)



In the USA it is 28,600 for the 128i Coupe and 34,900 for the 135i coupe.

[joejack]

Before faxing the title, does it have to be signed over? Or can you just fax the unsigned, then 3 days later take the original that is signed?

Aren't they just checking to see if theres liens or its stolen?

It makes sense what you are saying, however, I just wanted to be safe and didn't want any issues at the border. Since I had the option of getting the title over to my name before hand I did it.

Sorry, can't answer your question for sure I have not tried it.

[joejack]

Thanks Johnny,
I'm wondering if that wasn't the case in your situation and it wasn't a official BMW dealer, would they seize the vehicle or just tell you to leave and come back in 72 hrs?
Because if they told me to leave and come back, I'd just leave and cross over maybe 1/2 hr later and say to hell with the stamp and everything. But if I knew they'd seize the vehicle, I CERTAINLY wouldn't even bother getting it stamped...why take that risk...

Anyone know?
Any other situations of not having the stamp?

The day I crossed via Lewiston bridge, I was the 4th person in line at US customs office. The in front of me was at the customs office for the 2nd time. The time before when he arrived, they told him that it had not been 72 hours and that he should come back in 72 hours. At the same time, lady officer gave him a stern warning that if he tried to cross the border they will seize his car.

How will they catch him if tried to cross border, is a different matter.

[james-007]

Well I won the ebay auction for the 2007 Camry I was after so I'm planning to fly down to NY to pick up my car and drive it back. The private seller has already got the recall letter for me. My question is what do I have to do with the seller to complete the transaction? He has a Certificate of Title that says there was a lien on it, but also has a document from Toyota stating that it has been paid off and their security interest in the vehicle has been satisfied. Is the Certificate of Title the same as a Certificate of Origin, or are they separate documents, and do I need both? I had the seller fax the title to the Queenston bridge where I'll be crossing, that's all they're looking for 3 days in advance, right?

How does the title actually switch over to me, do you just fill out something on the back, or do I have to do a transaction at the local dmv?

I also need to get temp plates for it so I called the dmv and I just have to fill out a form, show some documents and give them $10 for it.

Thanks!

I just finished importing 2003 Toyota Tacoma I purchased from a private seller. When I did it I got the owner to fill in his portion of the Title certificate and had him email me that. I then filled in my portion and faxed it to the border services. (This process it know has endorsing the title) When I went to pickup the vehicle I filled in my portion on the original. After the original title is endorsed the vehicle now belongs to you. Bring back the original title and Lien satisfied letter and an invoice is all you need to cross the border (don't forget recall letter). Just to be on the safe side also printout the ebay info of the winning bid.

One thing to remember after you pay for the vehicle and the title is not endorsed technically the vehicle still belong the the title holder. This is where you have to have faith and trust in the seller. I myself had no surprises, everything went according to the plan. To tell you how much faith I had in the seller, I paid his lien and had to wait for the title about a month. We had a legal and a binding agreement in place that stated that once the lien was paid off the vehicle belonged to me.

[mgronqui]

Anyone here who flips cars from the US or knows someone that does? I'm looking to purchase a car. PM me.

[MasterXan]

In the USA it is 28,600 for the 128i Coupe and 34,900 for the 135i coupe.

yeah it's b/s

this is what i configured on the BMW USA site for the 135i

Base MSRP $34,900
Alpine White $0
Coral Red Boston Leather $0
Glacier Silver Aluminum Trim $0
Cold Weather Package $600
Premium Package $3,300
Sport Package $1,000
Comfort Access system $500
Navigation system $2,100
Premium hi-fi system $875
Park Distance Control (rear only) $350
Destination & Handling: $775
Total MSRP as Built $44,400

For something similar in Canada

Base 135i $41,700
Navigation $2,900
Premium Package $3,500
Comfort Package $3,000
Premium Sound $1,200
M Sport Package $1,600
Freight PDI $1995
AC Tax $100
Tire Levy $16
Admin Fee $395
Total MSRP $56406

for the U.S. pricing, I didn't add any other possible fees since I don't know of any. And if i were to import it, what do i add on top of it? GST, PST + 6.1%?

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3036&page=5

post 89 has the ordering guide

[Tender]

6.1% duty if it's made outside of North America. But GST and PST? Don't you pay them here as well, even on the higher purchase price?

[b_lum81]

6.1% duty if it's made outside of North America. But GST and PST? Don't you pay them here as well, even on the higher purchase price?

Not sure what you mean on the higher purchase price but when I brought over my benz I paid the 6.1% duty, and GST for the price I bought the car for in the states. and PST when I got my insurance (in BC)

[ac328]

for the U.S. pricing, I didn't add any other possible fees since I don't know of any. And if i were to import it, what do i add on top of it? GST, PST + 6.1%?


Don't forget the BMW import fees:

1) $395 for a "letter of admissibility" at the border (required by Customs at the border)
2) $500 for a recall letter (letter required by RIV)
3) dealer charges to program the DRLs (few hundred $)
4) possible requirements to replace the whole instrument cluster for a metric one ($1,400+) required by BMW to issue recall letter, though varies from model to model

You need to check with BMW for the exact charges.

I personally gave up on importing a BMW. Too arrogant.

[Bailey4427]

What's the latest word with the immobilzers for the Toyotas? I know back in the fall last year it was an issue if the vehicle was built on/after Sept.1 2007. But now all 2007-08s are showing that there are indeed "admissible" on the RIV Website.

Anyone bring an '07 over lately?

[rgc97]

You are correct. I faxed the MSO (both sides) from the dealership to Lewiston US Customs (wasn't signed over yet as they were waiting for my bank draft to clear). Then I showed up at the border 2 days later & was made to wait the full 3 days (no harm in trying!). I had the original with me, which was now signed over to my name. Next day they didn't even bother to look at the car -- just stamped the MSO and I was on my way in minutes.


Before faxing the title, does it have to be signed over? Or can you just fax the unsigned, then 3 days later take the original that is signed?

Aren't they just checking to see if theres liens or its stolen?

[pulsar]

Anyone able to purchase a NEW Toyota in the Pacific Northwest (Washington, Oregon) under MSRP? I found one dealership willing to sell new at MSRP but I haven't found any others yet.

PM me if you know.

Thanks.

[DealDemon]

brother in law just bought a 2004 Audi A8 with 30000 miles for $17000 cdn
is that a good price?

[rjmbc]

Anyone able to purchase a NEW Toyota in the Pacific Northwest (Washington, Oregon) under MSRP? I found one dealership willing to sell new at MSRP but I haven't found any others yet.

PM me if you know.

Thanks.

Found one on Montana that will work with you. Also I have a way that may work in Oregon. I live in Kelowna and recently purchased two new Highlanders, one for me Kelowna & one for a friend in Calgary. PM me if you are interested.

[inspire]

brother in law just bought a 2004 Audi A8 with 30000 miles for $17000 cdn
is that a good price?
Why don't you use trader.ca and do a search on an 'equivalent' car? Or how about look at the MSRP for a current model?

I can guarantee that's a great price (if the car hasn't been in an accident or wasn't a "lemon law" car). An 2008 A4 is about C$40k new so a 2004 A4 is probably worth 50% after 4 years or so (~$20k). And the A4 is nowhere near lux as an A8.

Common sense.

Please use online search before posting rather trivial questions.

PS A quick search on trader.ca for a 2004 model with 34k km (not miles) is about C$40k. Other higher miles A8 range from as low as C$32k ... and goes up.

[freewheel]

Why don't you use trader.ca and do a search on an 'equivalent' car? Or how about look at the MSRP for a current model?

I can guarantee that's a great price (if the car hasn't been in an accident or wasn't a "lemon law" car). An 2008 A4 is about C$40k new so a 2004 A4 is probably worth 50% after 4 years or so (~$20k). And the A4 is nowhere near lux as an A8.

Common sense.

Please use online search before posting rather trivial questions.

PS A quick search on trader.ca for a 2004 model with 34k km (not miles) is about C$40k. Other higher miles A8 range from as low as C$32k ... and goes up.

Guess you couldn't decide between telling him to go find out for himself and just giving him an answer???

[lasallejai]

Why don't you use trader.ca and do a search on an 'equivalent' car? Or how about look at the MSRP for a current model?

I can guarantee that's a great price (if the car hasn't been in an accident or wasn't a "lemon law" car). An 2008 A4 is about C$40k new so a 2004 A4 is probably worth 50% after 4 years or so (~$20k). And the A4 is nowhere near lux as an A8.

Common sense.

Please use online search before posting rather trivial questions.

PS A quick search on trader.ca for a 2004 model with 34k km (not miles) is about C$40k. Other higher miles A8 range from as low as C$32k ... and goes up.


He is asking the opinion on a 2004 A8, not an A4, by the way.

[jadeboy]

Yup! Just plated my 2007 Lexus IS 350 with about 900 miles. Save 20-25K by importing, very happy :) - GREAT car. The process is not that bad as long as you follow procedures. During the border crossing I heard a BMW (probably 2008) that was rejected because they didn't have a recall letter from BMW.

Thanks everyone! Now going to import another 2 Lexus IS for my sister and one of my friend - I was the guinea pig for importing.

[Tender]

Not sure what you mean on the higher purchase price but when I brought over my benz I paid the 6.1% duty, and GST for the price I bought the car for in the states. and PST when I got my insurance (in BC)

I should have been more specific. I mean you have to pay more GST & PST if you buy in Canada based on the higher prices here.

By the way, just spotted a brand new white Subaru Tribeca at Costco Hwy 7 & Woodbine this afternoon, with Van Bortel plate. Very good looking!

[Cars4Canadians]

brother in law just bought a 2004 Audi A8 with 30000 miles for $17000 cdn
is that a good price?

WOW nice price, are you sure the car wasn't in a serious accident? That seems like a steal.

[jmlleung]

Yup! Just plated my 2007 Lexus IS 350 with about 900 miles. Save 20-25K by importing, very happy :) - GREAT car. The process is not that bad as long as you follow procedures. During the border crossing I heard a BMW (probably 2008) that was rejected because they didn't have a recall letter from BMW.

Thanks everyone! Now going to import another 2 Lexus IS for my sister and one of my friend - I was the guinea pig for importing.

For Lexus IS 350, do you have to pay duty?

[allknowing]

Rejected at the border for no recall letter? Are you sure about that .. you dont need a recall letter for the border. Perhaps his MCO paper wasnt in 72hrs in advance?

[DSTU]

Rejected at the border for no recall letter? Are you sure about that .. you dont need a recall letter for the border. Perhaps his MCO paper wasnt in 72hrs in advance?

You need a BMW Letter of Admissibility in order to import a BMW - $350.00

Another ripoff from BMW and your friendly RIV agency.

[derslade]

Haven't seen any postings about the following scenario.

Anyone know if it is possible to have an American vendor deliver a used car to you in Canada and then you do all the paper work from the Canadian side of the border?

[Marzipan]

I'm thinking of having a vehicle transported from a US dealer to the US side of the border at Sweetgrass Montana then bringing it over and home. Is there any public transport to get me from Calgary to Coutts that anyone knows of?

How about just getting off a bus at the Sweetgrass border check? Anyone done this?

[gregolds]

Should be no problem for the resident of Pennsy to buy the car in Ohio tax free. The problem I encountered in Ohio was that the taxation people said I would be tax exempt but the folks at the DMV wanted me to title the vehicle and pay the 6% sales tax. The two government offices seem to act independent of each other. Needless to say it killed my deal and I had to move on to the next state. I have a few links to Ohio taxation sites that I'll pass on if you PM me. Maybe you'll have better luck....

Are you referring to the DMV in Ohio? Why would you be contacting them? Does anyone know if any other states have a sales tax rebate for exported goods like they have in North Dakota?

[regrus]

I'm thinking of having a vehicle transported from a US dealer to the US side of the border at Sweetgrass Montana then bringing it over and home. Is there any public transport to get me from Calgary to Coutts that anyone knows of?

How about just getting off a bus at the Sweetgrass border check? Anyone done this?

There is no public transportation that crosses into the USA at Sweetgrass. Buses stopped running a number of years ago. Found out the hard way! I had to leave a vehicle at the border because the title had not cleared. I called a taxi from Lethbridge to pick me up. Cost $120.00 to come and get me and take me to Lethbridge to rent a car.

[jmlleung]

My brother in law is getting a Lexus RX350 from US. Has anyone imported this car before? Are there any modifications (e.g. DRL, odometer/speedometer) needed?

[sureshmysore]

yeah it's b/s

this is what i configured on the BMW USA site for the 135i
Total MSRP as Built $44,400

For something similar in Canada
Total MSRP $56406



Saw Top Gear today - BMW 135 vs VW R32 - The VW beat the BMW hands down and was cheaper to boot.

I got a high end BMW across the border a few months ago and turned out that the only dealer here is very very very very very RUDE. Keeping the BMW and hoping that it does not need any urgent service. But will NOT be buying a BMW again - No need to pay loads of cash and get insulted and abused.

[jadeboy]

For Lexus IS 350, do you have to pay duty?

Yes 6.1%, I had to pay about $4600 to custom canada.

[sureshmysore]

brother in law just bought a 2004 Audi A8 with 30000 miles for $17000 cdn
is that a good price?

Used A8 in canada cost over $45,000 - does 17,000 make it a good price?

[jadeboy]

Rejected at the border for no recall letter? Are you sure about that .. you dont need a recall letter for the border. Perhaps his MCO paper wasnt in 72hrs in advance?

I think Canada custom wouldn't let them import their BMW, because they didn't have a recall letter. My Lexus is on the list of admissible vehicle but the BMW is a different matter.

[jadeboy]

My brother in law is getting a Lexus RX350 from US. Has anyone imported this car before? Are there any modifications (e.g. DRL, odometer/speedometer) needed?

Don't think so, I had to do nothing to my Lexus IS 350.

[sureshmysore]

I should have been more specific. I mean you have to pay more GST & PST if you buy in Canada based on the higher prices here.
!

Yup, Not only do you save the thousands by buying in the US but you also save the PST and GST on those savings. For some high end cars where you save a lot the PST/GST savings can also be a lot of money.

[jadeboy]

There is no public transportation that crosses into the USA at Sweetgrass. Buses stopped running a number of years ago. Found out the hard way! I had to leave a vehicle at the border because the title had not cleared. I called a taxi from Lethbridge to pick me up. Cost $120.00 to come and get me and take me to Lethbridge to rent a car.


Sweetgrass is a GREAT place to pick up your car. The is a rest area about 100 meter right after you cross the border. There is an area perfect for trucking company to stop. The bathrooms in the rest area is the cleanest I have ever seen. There is a gas station just a few meters from the rest area. If you are importing a vehicle into Alberta - Sweetgrass is the place.

[allknowing]

I think Canada custom wouldn't let them import their BMW, because they didn't have a recall letter. My Lexus is on the list of admissible vehicle but the BMW is a different matter.

Nobody at the boarder looks at the admissability list -- if they did all those 2008 vehicles back when would never have come over.

Its getting form 2 from the RIV would be the problem with the admissability list.

US just looking for liens and stolen status.
Canada just looking for their taxes
RIV looking for admissability and regulations.
.. or am I totally off base? (Imported an 07 Saturn Outlook)

[shopper-X]

Nobody at the boarder looks at the admissability list -- if they did all those 2008 vehicles back when would never have come over.

Its getting form 2 from the RIV would be the problem with the admissability list.

US just looking for liens and stolen status.
Canada just looking for their taxes
RIV looking for admissability and regulations.
.. or am I totally off base? (Imported an 07 Saturn Outlook)

BMW has not provided TC the information for vehicle admissibility. Therefore the CBSA agents have been instructed that before a BMW vehicle can enter Canada the importer must provide a "Letter of Admissibility" which BMW is charging (from what I read here) $350 for. Either way BMW Canada is going to make you grease up.

Here are the snippets from the Admissibility list (please read the list for the complete wording):

The manufacturer has not provided
information to TC on the admissibility of BMW
vehicles. Please contact an authorized
Canadian BMW or MINI Retailer to request a
letter of admissibility, and for information
regarding the exact nature and costs of
modifications required. The modifications vary
by model and may be expensive.

...

An official letter of admissibility from BMW
Group Canada must be presented to a
Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA)
officer at time of importation. In addition, the
official recall clearance letter obtained from
BMW Group Canada once the required
retrofits have been completed and
documented by an authorized Canadian BMW
or Mini Retailer, must be presented to the
Registrar of Imported Vehicles in order to
properly register a vehicle.

[Danno2005]

Don't think so, I had to do nothing to my Lexus IS 350.

DRLs are required.

[brendonp]

Nobody at the boarder looks at the admissability list -- if they did all those 2008 vehicles back when would never have come over.


When I brought my wife's Mini over last summer the border agent certainly did look at the list to confirm admissability. I don't think I'd risk "trying" unless it were admissable...

[DSTU]

BMW has not provided TC the information for vehicle admissibility. Therefore the CBSA agents have been instructed that before a BMW vehicle can enter Canada the importer must provide a "Letter of Admissibility" which BMW is charging (from what I read here) $350 for. Either way BMW Canada is going to make you grease up.

Here are the snippets from the Admissibility list (please read the list for the complete wording):

I had a real issue with RIV about this.

I asked them why a previously admissiable vehicle on previous RIV lists were admissible and now all of a sudden they are not - these should not be retro-active.

I'd bring a previous RIV list with me when importing a 2006 BMW.

[DSTU]

Saw Top Gear today - BMW 135 vs VW R32 - The VW beat the BMW hands down and was cheaper to boot.

I got a high end BMW across the border a few months ago and turned out that the only dealer here is very very very very very RUDE. Keeping the BMW and hoping that it does not need any urgent service. But will NOT be buying a BMW again - No need to pay loads of cash and get insulted and abused.

You are mistaken - next time do some research.

Jeremy Clasrkson

“The fact of the matter is this. The 135 coupé is the best car BMW makes. I have no hesitation at all, then, in giving this long-awaited return to form the rare accolade of five stars.”

[Marzipan]

Sweetgrass is a GREAT place to pick up your car. The is a rest area about 100 meter right after you cross the border. There is an area perfect for trucking company to stop. The bathrooms in the rest area is the cleanest I have ever seen. There is a gas station just a few meters from the rest area. If you are importing a vehicle into Alberta - Sweetgrass is the place.

This is good to know. Particularly useful is a look at any border crossing with Google Maps. You will see the access roads - even the lane markings - and familiarize yourself with the layout.

The truck area and rest area (on the Canadian side) of the Coutts AB/Sweetgrass MT crossing, described by jadeboy are clearly visible when you zoom in on satellite view. (I count about 10 vehicles in the rest area.) No excuse for taking a wrong turning if you have done your homework.

[michelb]

Don't think so, I had to do nothing to my Lexus IS 350.

DRLs are required.

I think all high-end Toyotas and Lexus come with DRLs in the US.

[dracore]

If you don't have enough cash on you to get a new imported vehicle, are there brokers that can import the car for you and provide a monthly leasing plan?

[b_lum81]

If you don't have enough cash on you to get a new imported vehicle, are there brokers that can import the car for you and provide a monthly leasing plan?

Personally I don't know if a broker can provide a monthly plan but when I imported my Benz I had to use a line of credit for half of the cost and when it was registered with bc plates my bank was able to give me a loan after that.

Ask your bank and see what they can do for you.

[brendonp]

If you don't have enough cash on you to get a new imported vehicle, are there brokers that can import the car for you and provide a monthly leasing plan?

Sure, but I believe that they are called "dealers"! ;) Multi-line auto (Mississauga/Toronto area IIRC) were bringing back new Subaru CUVs and selling them for a few grand more then they paid for them. Most dealers will assist with financing; your savings just simply won't be as great....

[niceguy1234]

I think all high-end Toyotas and Lexus come with DRLs in the US.

Toyota & Lexus do come with DRLs, but it has an option that can switch the DRLs off, which is not allowed by RIV. They want your DRLs on all the time without turning off option. If CT let go on your Form 2, you are just lucky.

[niceguy1234]

In BC, do I need to do the Provincial Inspection if I import a NEW car? Some say it is not nessessory if it is a new one. Some say it is a must no mater it is new or used in BC. Does anyone have actual experience?

[bguy7890]

In BC, do I need to do the Provincial Inspection if I import a NEW car? Some say it is not nessessory if it is a new one. Some say it is a must no mater it is new or used in BC. Does anyone have actual experience?

Yes. A provincial inspection is required even if it's a new car. Canadian Tire (or any other designated provincial inspection facility you choose) will give you a sticker/label upon passing the inspection. You'll need the sticker/label in order to get your autoplan.

Hope this helps.

[TucDream]

In BC, do I need to do the Provincial Inspection if I import a NEW car? Some say it is not nessessory if it is a new one. Some say it is a must no mater it is new or used in BC. Does anyone have actual experience?

Yep, a BC provincial inspection is required.

I imported new on Nov 30th & had to get the provincial inspection done (about $100 at CT) before I could get my insurance from the ICBC agent. I went as far as calling the phone number on the "Important notice for BC ..." off the RIV home page, and they confirmed that the provincial inspection is required. While I didn't ask about used vehicles, I don't see why the <15 year old ones would be exempt.

[blangela]

For Infiniti, use www.fleetrates.com they usually get their cars from Infiniti of Santa Monica, CA. Trust me, you will save at least $2-4k vs. the jokers of Infiniti of Seattle.

Fleet rates will arrange shippingfor your car to Blaine, WA. It is very simple...It may take a few extra days, but the savings are worth it.
My Infiniti FX35 arrives Monday and I will post about my import experience...

For Infiniti, the recall clearance letter was painless to get. Infiniti USA's call centre is in Hamilton, Ontario!!!

I was looking at the fleetrates web site. I notice that they show an invoice price and a MSRP price (which is usually a couple of K higher than the invoice price). Then they indicate that they want you to make an offer. Is the offer supposed to be below the invoice price or between the invoice and the MSRP price?

Thanks,

Bob

[superwell]

I was looking at the fleetrates web site. I notice that they show an invoice price and a MSRP price (which is usually a couple of K higher than the invoice price). Then they indicate that they want you to make an offer. Is the offer supposed to be below the invoice price or between the invoice and the MSRP price?

Thanks,

Bob

I am interested in fleetrate as well. Does anyone know what you pay through them...invoice or msrp? Also how the process works with them...where do they get cars from...where they deliver and such?

[niceguy1234]

My sales rep in US faxed the documents to US boarder on Sat. I called the US boarder officer today (Monday) to make sure that they had received the paperwork. He said they did, and he told me that I can export the car any time I want as long as it is a new car and it is fully paid. He told me that I don't need to wait for 72 hours because it is a new car. I think nobody has mentioned this in the whole discussion.

[michelb]

My sales rep in US faxed the documents to US boarder on Sat. I called the US boarder officer today (Monday) to make sure that they had received the paperwork. He said they did, and he told me that I can export the car any time I want as long as it is a new car and it is fully paid. He told me that I don't need to wait for 72 hours because it is a new car. I think nobody has mentioned this in the whole discussion.

It's possible that no one else mentioned it because different border points have different policies. Some don't require 72 hour wait, some want 3 business days, some let you export outside Mon-Fri 8-4 but many border crossings aren't nearly as flexible (none of the ones near Ottawa even accept faxes and require original documents for 72 hours prior to export (which is pretty annoying since it means that you have to drive the vehicle without the title and if you don't get there between Mon-Fri 8-4, you can't even get the title back, let alone export)).

If you intend to pick up prior to the 72 hours, I'd make sure I have the name of the agent who told you this.

[niceguy1234]

My sales rep in US faxed the documents to US boarder on Sat. I called the US boarder officer today (Monday) to make sure that they had received the paperwork. He said they did, and he told me that I can export the car any time I want as long as it is a new car and it is fully paid. He told me that I don't need to wait for 72 hours because it is a new car. I think nobody has mentioned this in the whole discussion.

By the way, the US boarder I choose to cross is Lynden / Aldergrove in BC
Phone: (360) 354-2183
Fax: (360) 354-2706

I was told that officers in this crossing are more friendly, and the traffic is very light. It is much better than the Blain / Whiterock location.

[james-007]

By the way, the US boarder I choose to cross is Lynden / Aldergrove in BC
Phone: (360) 354-2183
Fax: (360) 354-2706

I was told that officers in this crossing are more friendly, and the traffic is very light. It is much better than the Blain / Whiterock location.

I'll 2nd the Lynden border. I crossed it twice and had no issues and great set of people working on both sides.

[PrimeBane]

I'm flying out next Thursday to Minnesota to pick up our used Saturn Outlook. :D

To confirm, Canadian Customs at the border will provide me with temporary registration to drive in Canada?

Thanks :)

[yyz2hkg]

I'm flying out next Thursday to Minnesota to pick up our used Saturn Outlook. :D

To confirm, Canadian Customs at the border will provide me with temporary registration to drive in Canada?

Thanks :)

How would the CBSA provide you a Temporary Registration, that's the first I heard of something like that...your local DMV in Calgary should do that. I think you're looking for a temporary plate perhaps? When I did the the process, the CBSA just made me pay the GST, but nothing about the registration though. I would look into that further before you make that trek to the pick up your vehicle. Arrange your insurance and temp plate through your local DMV. Good Luck.

[PrimeBane]

hmmm... that's what they told me at the registry in Calgary today. They said they could give me a temporary registration, but it's only good for the set dates.

I assumed they wouldn't sell me a plate until I could get the vehicles officially registered after the inspection and RIV certification.

[Sashimi23]

EDIT: I should have read page 1 with the FAQ...please disregard my questions about warranty, duty, and mod. Just the parking question please.

Sorry I don't have time to read all 800+ pages for my answers.

I'm going to a seminar in Feb provided by Canada Customs to get more info but if I could get some quick answers on the following, it would be appreciated:

- Some posters mentioned having to leave their car in the US for a few days in order for the paperwork to process...where do you leave it, at the border?
- Is warranty an issue? Are there any warranty problems with specific manufacturers?
- I read that you don't pay duty if the car is made in North America (Canada, US, Mexico)...is there a guide or list that shows which cars this applies to? I'm looking at buying a Honda.
- How easy/cheap is it to mod the odometer to show km/hr instead of mph. On Electronic ones, is it a simple change in the settings?

Thanks again.

[a in yul]

I'm flying out next Thursday to Minnesota to pick up our used Saturn Outlook. :D

To confirm, Canadian Customs at the border will provide me with temporary registration to drive in Canada?

Thanks :)


can u share info; m looking at trading in my xtrail for the outlook; either here otherwise via PM

thx!!

[runningdog]

Gleaned from this thread and others: I remember posters saying that they left their cars in secure parking lots and in hotel parking lots after talking to and tipping the front desk.

They left them at the border as they were too early to export (less than three days), too late (after closing time) or they dropped off the paperwork for the car and were going to let the car wait the three days at the border.


EDIT: I should have read page 1 with the FAQ...please disregard my questions about warranty, duty, and mod. Just the parking question please.

Sorry I don't have time to read all 800+ pages for my answers.

I'm going to a seminar in Feb provided by Canada Customs to get more info but if I could get some quick answers on the following, it would be appreciated:

- Some posters mentioned having to leave their car in the US for a few days in order for the paperwork to process...where do you leave it, at the border?
- Is warranty an issue? Are there any warranty problems with specific manufacturers?
- I read that you don't pay duty if the car is made in North America (Canada, US, Mexico)...is there a guide or list that shows which cars this applies to? I'm looking at buying a Honda.
- How easy/cheap is it to mod the odometer to show km/hr instead of mph. On Electronic ones, is it a simple change in the settings?

Thanks again.

[joejack]

[QUOTE=Sashimi23;6330733]EDIT: I should have read page 1 with the FAQ...please disregard my questions about warranty, duty, and mod. Just the parking question please.

Sorry I don't have time to read all 800+ pages for my answers.

I'm going to a seminar in Feb provided by Canada Customs to get more info but if I could get some quick answers on the following, it would be appreciated:

I attended this thing sometime last year and it was a waste of my time. I you are really interested in importing a car, then don't waste 2 to 5 hours (including travel time) to the seminar but read as many pages of this form from page 1 to whatever and you will have the answer to every question.

Once again, thanks to people who put this together.

[Marzipan]

With the CAD now worth slightly more than the USD our importing advantage is strengthening. Also important to us is our cost of buying US currency - no less important than the cost of bringing the vehicle back.

My rule of thumb is that the big banks take about 1.5 cents on the dollar above and beyond the exchange rate but that's just a guess - I've never exchanged big bucks. That's $600 on a $40k vehicle.

Anyone willing to post the actual exchange rate they paid alongside the mid-market rate at that same time? The current midmarket rate can be found at xe.com (http://www.xe.com/). The difficulty is knowing what it was when you made your exchange. Perhaps there is a table of historical spot rate daily closing prices.

Also useful to know for reducing the overhead of importing is which institution you used.

[st7860]

With the CAD now worth slightly more than ths USD our importing advantage is strengthening. Also important to us is our cost of buying US currency - no less important than the cost of bringing the vehicle back.

My rule of thumb is that the big banks take about 1.5 cents on the dollar but that's just a guess - I've never exchanged big bucks. That's $600 on a $40k vehicle.

Anyone willing to post the actual exchange rate they paid alongside the mid-market rate at that same time? The current midmarket rate can be found at xe.com (http://www.xe.com/). The difficulty is knowing what it was when you made your exchange. Perhaps there is a table of historical spot rate daily closing prices.

Also useful to know for reducing the overhead of importing is which institution you used.

http://www.vbce.info/

[michelb]

With the CAD now worth slightly more than the USD our importing advantage is strengthening. Also important to us is our cost of buying US currency - no less important than the cost of bringing the vehicle back.

My rule of thumb is that the big banks take about 1.5 cents on the dollar above and beyond the exchange rate but that's just a guess - I've never exchanged big bucks. That's $600 on a $40k vehicle.

Anyone willing to post the actual exchange rate they paid alongside the mid-market rate at that same time? The current midmarket rate can be found at xe.com (http://www.xe.com/). The difficulty is knowing what it was when you made your exchange. Perhaps there is a table of historical spot rate daily closing prices.

Also useful to know for reducing the overhead of importing is which institution you used.

For what it's worth, this is the rate I'm getting right now 11:33AM EST from TDCanadaTrust to buy $30k US from CND:

Amount: $30,000.00 USD = $30,159.00 CDN
Exchange Rate: $1.00 USD = $1.0053 CDN

finance.yahoo.ca is showing
1.0020 USD at 11:34
Bid: 1.0020
Ask: 1.0023

actually, this is probably more useful ($1 USD to CND): from finance.yahoo.ca (http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/q?s=USDCAD=X)

Last Trade: 0.9982 CAD
Trade Time: 11:36AM EST
Bid: 0.9982
Ask: 0.9985

So I'm getting about 0.007 over the trading rate

[zenon]

I have a bit of a situation that I would appreciate if you guys could give me some advice.
I have agreed to buy a 2002 Tacoma from a private seller in New York. I plan to meet him at the Queenston Lewiston border tomorrow morning to complete the transaction and then export the vehicle. He faxed a copy of the title to the border on friday night and today he is getting me a 30 day NY transit permit. Yesterday I call the Lewiston crossing to confirm they got the fax. This morning they phone me back and said they got it but the VIN was illegible due to poor quality fax. I faxed them a copy again and printed out the VIN on another sheet of paper to make it clearer. They have accepted this but of course now won't let me export the vehicle till Friday.
I have aranged to fly down from Ottawa and compelte the sale tomorrow. It would be a huge pain in the ass if I can't to this tomorrow as planned. I can't get another day off work for atleast two weeks and the seller understandably wants to get his money tomorrow.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to what I can do here?

Since I have the NY 30 day transit permit in my name, could I just drive the truck into Canada without exporting it and then return at some point within 30days to the border, and officially export it then? I realize that would still be a hassle but I am just tryign to think of something.

Or Alternatively, can I import the car to Canada without the export stamp from the US, I have heard conflicting posts on here.

Any ideas are much appreciated.

Zen

[michelb]

..
I have aranged to fly down from Ottawa and compelte the sale tomorrow. It would be a huge pain in the ass if I can't to this tomorrow as planned. I can't get another day off work for atleast two weeks and the seller understandably wants to get his money tomorrow.

Does anyoehave any suggestions as to what I can do here?

Since I have the NY 30 day transit permit in my name, could I just drive the truck into Canada without exporting it and then return at some point within 30days to the border, and officially export it then? I realize that would still be a hassle but I am just tryign to think of something.

...

If it was me, I'd just drive it with the 30 day temp permit and export / import it another day. Call the Canadian Customs there first just to make sure they don't have a problem with you crossing with temp plates (get the name of whoever you speak to just so there's no misunderstanding) but there's no reason why they won't let you do it.


Then I'd actually send the title to the crossing at Ogdensburg or Massena and do the import there whenever. Both of those are a lot closer than going back to Niagara. The only complication is that both of those want the actual physical original title so you'll have to sent it by courier (or even mail since you aren't in a hurry (although since it's the original, I'd make sure it's something that can be traced)). Ogdensburg says that they only do it Mon-Fri but 72 hours after they receive your title, you can call them to see if they'll let you do it outside regular hours (I think someone else in the thread posted that they let him do it) (e.g. if you can do it at night, you could technically leave Ottawa at around 10PM, do the export/import and be back in Ottawa by 12am or 1am so you probably won't need to take any time off).

Just to add to your last comment, it seems that Canadian Customs might let you import without the stamp so you can try that but if you have any intention of eventually exporting it from the US (I would - if you don't, there's probably absolutely nothing that stops the seller from simply reporting the car stolen in the US and getting a replacement title (there's probably other complications too)), then there's very little to gain by doing that - I'd just drive with the temp permit until you can do both.

[ac328]

hmmm... that's what they told me at the registry in Calgary today. They said they could give me a temporary registration, but it's only good for the set dates.

I assumed they wouldn't sell me a plate until I could get the vehicles officially registered after the inspection and RIV certification.

Temp permit in AB is valid for 7 days. Depending on the registry agent you go to you may not need the Form 2 to get your plate (I didn't), so 7 days is plenty depending on how long it takes you to get back home.

You're in Calgary right? I went to Richmond Road registry in the SW (Signal Hill). Only Bill of Sale, MSO, Form 1 required. They will take your MSO, but the Alberta govt. mails it back to you once they're done with it. That took 2 or 3 weeks after I got my plate. A paranoid guy in another forum (not RFD) suggested that because they didn't ask for Form 2 that my registration might be invalid. Yeah right, why would the govt take my MSO and mail it back to me then? I think that's BS.

I arrived back with my Outback in Calgary on a SUnday, had my plate by Tuesday (Form 2 arrived by email on Thurs), everything moved pretty quick. Didn't get round to doing the RIV inspection for 2 weeks. Took another 3 to 4 to get the Transport Canada sticker in the mail.

[PrimeBane]

ac328,

So you just got the 7 day permit from the registry? Do they provide you with a plate of some sort (ie dealer plate) for the trip as well?

I plan to come up from Minnesota through Manitoba and Saskatchewan, so I want to be sure I have no problems travelling through there.

Thanks :)

[ryandk]

I was doing some research online, and found out that VISA and Mastercard prohibit retailers from setting minimum/maximum amounts that can be charged.

I know most auto dealers will limit you on the amount you can put on a credit card.

Have any of you challenged them on this? Will VISA or Mastercard be of any assistance if I want to charge the entire amount on my card so I can get points?

[michelb]

I was doing some research online, and found out that VISA and Mastercard prohibit retailers from setting minimum/maximum amounts that can be charged.

I know most auto dealers will limit you on the amount you can put on a credit card.

Have any of you challenged them on this? Will VISA or Mastercard be of any assistance if I want to charge the entire amount on my card so I can get points?

I imagine most auto dealers will have no problem with you paying with a credit card as long as you don't mind paying 3% or so 'administration fee'. They'll probably just tell you that the 'cash discount' is factored into the price (lots of stores offer 'cash discounts' so I don't think the CC companies will be able to help you there). Also, most likely the dealer will not sign over the vehicle until they get paid so they might make you wait 30-45 days until the CC company pays them before you get your car ...

[bulgurc]

That rate is more competitive than I am getting from XE (Real trading numbers), I am getting 1.0102665 to buy US dollars (Right now)

[hotgo]

That rate is more competitive than I am getting from XE (Real trading numbers), I am getting 1.0102665 to buy US dollars (Right now)

I was noticing that as well... michelb, are you sure you are quoting proper numbers?

[michelb]

I was noticing that as well... michelb, are you sure you are quoting proper numbers?

Here's my "right now" (12:46PM EST) rate to buy $35k US from my CND$ LOC at TD (I wanted to do $40k since that's the number posted earlier but it looks like TDs online foreign exchange doesn't let me know more than $35k so I'd have to go to the branch to get a quote)

From: LINE OF CREDIT - HOME EQUITY - XXXXXX
To: BORDERLESS PLAN - XXXXX
Amount: $35,000.00 USD = $35,220.50 CDN
Exchange Rate: $1.00 USD = $1.0063 CDN

To make it clear, I need to spend $35,220.50 CND to get $35k US$ in my account ( which really doesn't help me now since I sent payment for our car last week when it was $0.97 :( )

I should also add that this is the TD 'Borderless Rate' (which is better than the 'regular' rate TD offers) but to get it you just need to open a TD Borderless account (I imagine other banks have similar rates for US$ account holders).

[jnmontario]

I found a Toyota dealership in NY that is willing to sell me a Prius, but I have a quick question for you all. As part of the negotiation I told her that I'm Canadian and that I'd be buying the vehicle to export. Her response was:

"After speaking with the Sales Manager, the best we can do is $23,995 on this vehicle. However, we are unable to sell the vehicle as a certified vehicle. Toyota no longer allows certified vehicles to be sold for export.

I'd be glad to set up a time for you to drive the Prius and go over your options in person. Just let me know if there's a convenient time for you to visit the dealership and I'll make sure that the Sales Manager knows when to expect you."

What does selling the vehicle uncertified mean?

[michelb]

I found a Toyota dealership in NY that is willing to sell me a Prius, but I have a quick question for you all. As part of the negotiation I told her that I'm Canadian and that I'd be buying the vehicle to export. Her response was:

"After speaking with the Sales Manager, the best we can do is $23,995 on this vehicle. However, we are unable to sell the vehicle as a certified vehicle. Toyota no longer allows certified vehicles to be sold for export.

I'd be glad to set up a time for you to drive the Prius and go over your options in person. Just let me know if there's a convenient time for you to visit the dealership and I'll make sure that the Sales Manager knows when to expect you."

What does selling the vehicle uncertified mean?

Toyota USA can sell 'Toyota Certified Used Vehicles' http://www.toyota.com/html/tcuv/index.html?s_van=GM_STN_TCUV however the warranty (and I'm guessing Roadside Assistance) it provides is not valid in Canada so I'm guessing they're basically just saying that they can sell you the vehicle but it won't fall under 'CUV' program (and you won't get the benefits). That being said, as long as the vehicle is still under the original 3/36 warranty, you can still buy the Toyota USA 'Vehicle Service Agreement' (Toyota's Extended Warranty) and it is valid in Canada and it's a whole lot cheaper than buying it in Canada. There are several dealers in the US that will sell you the extended warranty for a very good price.

[hotgo]

Here's my "right now" (12:46PM EST) rate to buy $35k US from my CND$ LOC at TD (I wanted to do $40k since that's the number posted earlier but it looks like TDs online foreign exchange doesn't let me know more than $35k so I'd have to go to the branch to get a quote)

From: LINE OF CREDIT - HOME EQUITY - XXXXXX
To: BORDERLESS PLAN - XXXXX
Amount: $35,000.00 USD = $35,220.50 CDN
Exchange Rate: $1.00 USD = $1.0063 CDN

To make it clear, I need to spend $35,220.50 CND to get $35k US$ in my account ( which really doesn't help me now since I sent payment for our car last week when it was $0.97 :( )

I should also add that this is the TD 'Borderless Rate' (which is better than the 'regular' rate TD offers) but to get it you just need to open a TD Borderless account (I imagine other banks have similar rates for US$ account holders).

Thanks michelb. That is better than what XE.com is offering right now:

Your Exchange Rate Is: 1.0095
Inverse: 0.99058940
You Wish To Buy From Us: 35000.00 USD - UNITED STATES DOLLARS
You Wish To Sell To Us: 35332.50 CAD - CANADA DOLLAR

Impressive... maybe XE.com is not as good as it was hyped... I did use them for my Subaru purchase. I'm now looking for a second car upgrade and thinking about converting my $$$ now.

[ac328]

ac328,

So you just got the 7 day permit from the registry? Do they provide you with a plate of some sort (ie dealer plate) for the trip as well?

I plan to come up from Minnesota through Manitoba and Saskatchewan, so I want to be sure I have no problems travelling through there.

Thanks :)

No problem.

Yeah, you just go with your bill of sale and proof of insurance to any registry agent (which you will also need for your permanent plate, forgot to mention that above). They will ask you when you want the 7 days to start, and why you need one - for US imports they asked me which border crossing I was coming through, so you might want to have that info handy. The permit is around $20 to 25.

The registry will give you a piece of paper with "IN TRANSIT" on it in big letters which you're supposed to stick on the back window. The adhesive on the permit is crap, so if you can bring some extra tape with you.

I'm not actually sure if the permit is valid in the US (it's valid throughout Canada) but the selling dealer gave me a 3 day state temp permit so I had 2 of them taped in the back window!

[bulgurc]

I have a Royal US dollar account, this is the rate I am getting from Royal: 1.0189

Is that account a special account, is there any conditions opening it?

[zenon]

I have a bit of a situation that I would appreciate if you guys could give me some advice.
I have agreed to buy a 2002 Tacoma from a private seller in New York. I plan to meet him at the Queenston Lewiston border tomorrow morning to complete the transaction and then export the vehicle. He faxed a copy of the title to the border on friday night and today he is getting me a 30 day NY transit permit. Yesterday I call the Lewiston crossing to confirm they got the fax. This morning they phone me back and said they got it but the VIN was illegible due to poor quality fax. I faxed them a copy again and printed out the VIN on another sheet of paper to make it clearer. They have accepted this but of course now won't let me export the vehicle till Friday.
I have aranged to fly down from Ottawa and compelte the sale tomorrow. It would be a huge pain in the ass if I can't to this tomorrow as planned. I can't get another day off work for atleast two weeks and the seller understandably wants to get his money tomorrow.



Does anyone have any suggestions as to what I can do here?

Since I have the NY 30 day transit permit in my name, could I just drive the truck into Canada without exporting it and then return at some point within 30days to the border, and officially export it then? I realize that would still be a hassle but I am just tryign to think of something.

Or Alternatively, can I import the car to Canada without the export stamp from the US, I have heard conflicting posts on here.

Any ideas are much appreciated.

Zen

Ok I just got off the phone with a CBSA agent at Queenston and told them my siuation. They said I definitely will be able to import the vehicle without the stamp. She seemed to indicate this was a recent change in policy. She did say that I would have to go get the stamp at some point in the future in order to register the car in Ontario.

I asked about wether I can just drive in on the NY transit permit and not officially import it until a later date. I was told I definitely cannot do that.

[michelb]

Ok I just got off the phone with a CBSA agent at Queenston and told them my siuation. They said I definitely will be able to import the vehicle without the stamp. She seemed to indicate this was a recent change in policy. She did say that I would have to go get the stamp at some point in the future in order to register the car in Ontario.

I asked about wether I can just drive in on the NY transit permit and not officially import it until a later date. I was told I definitely cannot do that.

That doesn't help you much then - what exactly are you suppose to do with the vehicle if you can only register the car in Ontario once you have the stamp on the title?

Did you ask why you can't drive with the NY transit permit and import later?

When we imported our vehicle this spring I asked the police and my insurance company if I was allowed to drive with the US temp permit (AZ in my case) until it was registered in Canada and both said it wasn't a problem (I was also stopped by the police for speeding :o while I was driving with the temp permit and it was fine). Customs are responsible for taxes and border security and import/export not for enforcing the rules of the road.

[michelb]

...

Impressive... maybe XE.com is not as good as it was hyped... I did use them for my Subaru purchase. I'm now looking for a second car upgrade and thinking about converting my $$$ now.

I'm not sure how they calculate their spread but I guess it's not quite consistent with the banks. When we imported another vehicle last spring, the xe.com rate was better than what I got from TD but the actual difference came out to $50 or so and it was just easier / faster for me to deal with TD (can transfer / exchange funds online and get money order for free)

I have a Royal US dollar account, this is the rate I am getting from Royal: 1.0189

Is that account a special account, is there any conditions opening it?

As far as I know, it's just a regular account but I've had it for several years (opened when it was just 'CanadaTrust') and I do have a fair amount of business with them (although it's not tons of money) so maybe I'm getting a preferred rate.

FYI, rate now (1:37PM), I'm getting this to buy US$

From: LINE OF CREDIT - HOME EQUITY - XXXXXX
To: BORDERLESS PLAN - XXXXXX
Amount: $35,000.00 USD = $35,224.00 CDN
Exchange Rate: $1.00 USD = $1.0064 CDN


---
Important update on my rate.

Just noticed that I only get that rate for $25k or more.

If I exchange $25K+, I get $1.00 USD = $1.0067 CDN (probably same as above, just going up/down a bit)
If I exchange $24k I get $1.00 USD = $1.0123 CDN
If I exchange $1000 I get $1.00 USD = $1.0140 CDN

[zenon]

That doesn't help you much then - what exactly are you suppose to do with the vehicle if you can only register the car in Ontario once you have the stamp on the title?

Did you ask why you can't drive with the NY transit permit and import later?

When we imported our vehicle this spring I asked the police and my insurance company if I was allowed to drive with the US temp permit (AZ in my case) until it was registered in Canada and both said it wasn't a problem (I was also stopped by the police for speeding :o while I was driving with the temp permit and it was fine). Customs are responsible for taxes and border security and import/export not for enforcing the rules of the road.

Sorry, my post wasn't clear. I am allowed to drive on the NY permit as long as I go through the regular import procedure (pay GST, RIV form, etc). What I am not allowed to do is jsut drive it in to Canada like everybody else, then go back in to the US at a later date to export/import it.

Zen

[jnmontario]

What was the final verdict on the CMVSS114 thing? For all vehicles where it applies, do we still have to get a letter from the manufacturer stating that it complies? I seem to recall reading in one of these past 800 pages that there was an alternative but after surfing for the last 20 min. looking, I've resigned myself to asking. Does anybody know offhand?

ty in advance.

On the plus side, I'm getting a 2008 Prius (package3) for $23k where I was quoted $37800 here in Canada for the same model/pkg.

[Marzipan]

From the replies of the last couple of hours we can see that

1) My rule of thumb of paying $.0150 per $1.00 above or below the mid market rate is way off.

2) The http://www.vbce.info/ site takes $.0030 (click on the $20,000 link in the side menu. You'll see the difference between their buy and sell is always $.0061.)

3) The big banks seem to be taking about twice as much $.0060.

So with VBCE your exchange cost is about $120 on the 40k vehicle. (Please understand I not talking about the USD/CAD premium or discount.)

Also let's remember that there are costs for bank drafts, courriering those drafts. The banks also have the use of your money from the day it is taken out of your account to the day the dealer gets it.

[ericwangge]

hi, Guys,
Is there anyone has the experience of importing a 4 Runner from US to Calgary? I am preparing that right now and will be very appreciated if the following questions are answered.
1. is the warranty valid in Alberta?
2. any modification needed (DRL, bumper, odometer, and anchors for car seat)?
3. which border office is easy to get through?
4. how do I pay? I mean when do i need to pay? pay full before I get there? or just a deposit and the rest on arrival?
5. which dealer can give a Canadian a better price?

hope to share experience from you!
Thank you.

[Marzipan]

What was the final verdict on the CMVSS114 thing? For all vehicles where it applies, do we still have to get a letter from the manufacturer stating that it complies? I seem to recall reading in one of these past 800 pages that there was an alternative but after surfing for the last 20 min. looking, I've resigned myself to asking.

The RIV PDF (http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/VAFUS.pdf) link is the last word. Get your info directly from them. On page 2 you will see 9. Immobilizers.

[ryandk]

According to Mastercard (and I'm sure VISA has a similar policy), the dealer cannot charge extra for a customer to use the credit card, however, the dealer can offer discounts if the customer pays in cash.

So -- if you've negotiated a price, you can pay that entire amount on the credit card, or they can give you a discount off that price if you pay cash.

They cannot add to the negotiated price because you want to pay with a credit card.

http://www.mastercard.com/us/wce/PDF/MERC-Entire_Manual.pdf
See 9.12.2 and 9.12.3 on 2-22 (page 49 of the PDF file).


I imagine most auto dealers will have no problem with you paying with a credit card as long as you don't mind paying 3% or so 'administration fee'. They'll probably just tell you that the 'cash discount' is factored into the price (lots of stores offer 'cash discounts' so I don't think the CC companies will be able to help you there). Also, most likely the dealer will not sign over the vehicle until they get paid so they might make you wait 30-45 days until the CC company pays them before you get your car ...

[aphextwin2050]

3. Go through Sweetgrass, Montana, it's like 3 hours away from cowtown and it's 24 hours
4. I wired my money, full amount.

hi, Guys,
Is there anyone has the experience of importing a 4 Runner from US to Calgary? I am preparing that right now and will be very appreciated if the following questions are answered.
1. is the warranty valid in Alberta?
2. any modification needed (DRL, bumper, odometer, and anchors for car seat)?
3. which border office is easy to get through?
4. how do I pay? I mean when do i need to pay? pay full before I get there? or just a deposit and the rest on arrival?
5. which dealer can give a Canadian a better price?

hope to share experience from you!
Thank you.

[dsds]

You're in Calgary right? I went to Richmond Road registry in the SW (Signal Hill). Only Bill of Sale, MSO, Form 1 required. They will take your MSO, but the Alberta govt. mails it back to you once they're done with it. That took 2 or 3 weeks after I got my plate. .

Hi ac328. I went to the same registry. I've heard the gov't keeps the MSO but if you got yours back, then why didn't I get mine? Should I care?? I imported back in mid Nov. Thanks!

[PrimeBane]

Another question for my fellow Albertans.

When you imported, did you do so at the US/Alberta border or at another province's border? If you did at another provinces border (BC, Sask, Man), did you have to pay that provinces sales tax, or do they waive it as the vehicle will be registered in Alberta?

Thanks :)

[jnmontario]

The RIV PDF (http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/VAFUS.pdf) link is the last word. Get your info directly from them. On page 2 you will see 9. Immobilizers.

Hehe, I knew I read it somewhere, the Monroney label! d'oh. In fact I think I even added to this thread about it in the past.

ty for the reminder.

[faston]

Another question for my fellow Albertans.

When you imported, did you do so at the US/Alberta border or at another province's border? If you did at another provinces border (BC, Sask, Man), did you have to pay that provinces sales tax, or do they waive it as the vehicle will be registered in Alberta?

Thanks :)

The border just collects GST. PST, for us not lucky enough to live in Alberta, is paid when you register the car.

[PrimeBane]

Thanks faston :D

[PrimeBane]

1. See this website for warranty
http://www.apa.ca/template.asp?DocID=253#TOYOTA
2. See this website for admissibility
http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/impusae.htm
4. I'm wiring the full amount
5. Probably none if I had to guess... US pricing is just that much better. :D

hi, Guys,
Is there anyone has the experience of importing a 4 Runner from US to Calgary? I am preparing that right now and will be very appreciated if the following questions are answered.
1. is the warranty valid in Alberta?
2. any modification needed (DRL, bumper, odometer, and anchors for car seat)?
3. which border office is easy to get through?
4. how do I pay? I mean when do i need to pay? pay full before I get there? or just a deposit and the rest on arrival?
5. which dealer can give a Canadian a better price?

hope to share experience from you!
Thank you.

[Sunspot21]

OK - I've called a dealer in each of NY and PA to sell me a Toyota Sienna and they seem happy to sell to me BUT they want to charge me state sales tax.

I've noticed some people on this board have located dealers in NY that will sell to them but they did not seem to get charged state sales tax.

Could anyone please verify that they were recently able to purchase a Toyota new vehicle in NY/NJ/Mass/PA without being charged state sales tax? Please do not disclose the dealer name and/or location, however, as I don't want Toyota to hunt them down. Mere confirmation that it is possible will allow me to continue my quest. If you wish to PM me - please feel free.

[bulgurc]

Delaware and New Hampshire do not have state taxes, you might wanna try there

[whampoa]

OK - I've called a dealer in each of NY and PA to sell me a Toyota Sienna and they seem happy to sell to me BUT they want to charge me state sales tax.

I've noticed some people on this board have located dealers in NY that will sell to them but they did not seem to get charged state sales tax.

Could anyone please verify that they were recently able to purchase a Toyota new vehicle in NY/NJ/Mass/PA without being charged state sales tax? Please do not disclose the dealer name and/or location, however, as I don't want Toyota to hunt them down. Mere confirmation that it is possible will allow me to continue my quest. If you wish to PM me - please feel free.

Same here, I am also looking into Toyota from New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania or Virginia.

PM with further details. Thanks.

[Ven0r]

In ohio you can sign a affidavit exempting you from the tax.

[jnmontario]

Same here, I am also looking into Toyota from New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania or Virginia.

PM with further details. Thanks.

carswithoutborders.com suggests that NY tax isn't applied if it's for export.

[Sunspot21]

Carswithoutborders is right. There is no tax if you export the car form NY. The problem is that Toyota wson't let their NY dealers sell new vehicles to Canadians. The way around tis for the dealers is to sell the vehicles to someone who is a US resident and then immediately have that person/corporation sell it to a Canadian. This method, however, would seem to attract state sales tax.

The economics still make sense if I pay the state tax but I would love to find a dealer who can see past this nonsense.

Message to Toyota: why are you declaring economic warfare on your Canadian customers?

[jnmontario]

For those seeking toyotas, while I don't want to get anybody in trouble (and I SURE am paranoid about dealerships knifing each other over it) there are some (ok: read 2 I found) in NY willing to sell to CDNs if you look hard. No need to go to PA or MD etc... (please don't PM me - I'll assume that if you joined after last summer and have few posts you're a dealership....sorry).

[jnmontario]

The economics still make sense if I pay the state tax but I would love to find a dealer who can see past this nonsense.

Message to Toyota: why are you declaring economic warfare on your Canadian customers?

The other thing that sucks is they know that they have you by the curlies - there's basically no negotiation.

[spottedmoose]

i went shopping for a lexus in jacksonville ,FL over the past weekend..no problem buying a car for export,but the payment of sales tax is mandatory..the salesman explained that as of jan. 1,this was lexus policy ..he said it was an attempt to help the canadian dealers..
he also admitted that prior to jan 1,no tax was charged on exports and that FL had not changed its laws to make the collection of tax mandatory..it certainly has deterred me as i am not paying $3000. into the state's coffers improperly.
how lexus can charge tax when it is not due is beyond this humble writer,but if i were here in FL longer,i would sure find out.
another little roadblock to solve for we future importers..
do you get the feeling that if you are going to buy a car,you should do it sooner ,rather than later.

[freewheel]

do you get the feeling that if you are going to buy a car,you should do it sooner ,rather than later.

Couldn't agree more. I had that feeling when I imported my BMW in October before they instituted their blatant cash grab. I can only forsee more manufacturers making it more difficult or costly to import.

While free trade is supposed to allow us access to the U.S. market, in reality the Canadian car dealers have too much at stake to allow it. And we can see their influence in the ever changing regulations on the RIV site. It amazes may that a quasi government office is so obviously in the pocket of the Canadian car dealers.


Buy in the U.S. now, while it's still possible.

[68style]

I would say there is a really, really, REALLY strong chance that this dealer is collecting the tax from you on behalf of the "state", then submitting documents showing the car is for export and tax exempt and then pocketing the "tax" that you paid them.


i went shopping for a lexus in jacksonville ,FL over the past weekend..no problem buying a car for export,but the payment of sales tax is mandatory..the salesman explained that as of jan. 1,this was lexus policy ..he said it was an attempt to help the canadian dealers..
he also admitted that prior to jan 1,no tax was charged on exports and that FL had not changed its laws to make the collection of tax mandatory..it certainly has deterred me as i am not paying $3000. into the state's coffers improperly.
how lexus can charge tax when it is not due is beyond this humble writer,but if i were here in FL longer,i would sure find out.
another little roadblock to solve for we future importers..
do you get the feeling that if you are going to buy a car,you should do it sooner ,rather than later.

[fl4wless]

has anyone brought over a cx-7 or cx-9? both are admissible, but is there any work that needs to be done to get them certified?

[whampoa]

I would say there is a really, really, REALLY strong chance that this dealer is collecting the tax from you on behalf of the "state", then submitting documents showing the car is for export and tax exempt and then pocketing the "tax" that you paid them.

In that case, what prevent the buyer from submitting the documents themselves showing the car is for export and tax exempt.

Now if the dealership is making funny business with the taxman. That's something the Florida state attorney general will have to investigate.

[setell]

What was the final verdict on the CMVSS114 thing? For all vehicles where it applies, do we still have to get a letter from the manufacturer stating that it complies? I seem to recall reading in one of these past 800 pages that there was an alternative but after surfing for the last 20 min. looking, I've resigned myself to asking. Does anybody know offhand?

ty in advance.

On the plus side, I'm getting a 2008 Prius (package3) for $23k where I was quoted $37800 here in Canada for the same model/pkg.

$23k for a Prius is such a good deal! I wish I had money to jump in on this deal but I don't:cry:

[Marzipan]

While free trade is supposed to allow us access to the U.S. market, in reality the Canadian car dealers have too much at stake to allow it. And we can see their influence in the ever changing regulations on the RIV site.

Next time someone hears of a manufacturer seeking "concessions" from the public purse, post it here. It could be a useful exercise to lobby the politicians to refuse the hand-outs unless the manufacturer agrees to unrestricted importation of their products.

[ac328]

Hi ac328. I went to the same registry. I've heard the gov't keeps the MSO but if you got yours back, then why didn't I get mine? Should I care?? I imported back in mid Nov. Thanks!

No idea why you haven't gotten yours back. I wasn't expecting mine, but it arrived by itself (with no letter or note explaining anything) in a plain envelope from the Alberta Registries or whatever the ministry is called.

Not sure if it matters anyway, when time comes to sell your car it's not like you need the MSO. I consider it a souvenir of my US car buying experience!

[michelb]

I would say there is a really, really, REALLY strong chance that this dealer is collecting the tax from you on behalf of the "state", then submitting documents showing the car is for export and tax exempt and then pocketing the "tax" that you paid them.

In that case, what prevent the buyer from submitting the documents themselves showing the car is for export and tax exempt.

Now if the dealership is making funny business with the taxman. That's something the Florida state attorney general will have to investigate.

I don't think the dealer is doing this. First, in Florida, if a non-resident buys a car which isn't being delivered out of state (i.e. getting a temp permit), the dealership must charge the tax. Secondly, they are most likely charging the tax because they are probably registering the vehicle in the buyers name using the dealership address to get around Toyota / Lexus policy of not allowing new car sale for export (i.e. Toyota will come after them if they sell you a vehicle and you first register it in Canada but they can probably get by if the vehicle is first registered in Florida (at the dealership) and then you happen to move the next day and re-register in Canada).

No doubt some dealers are crooked but some of them are just trying to help you out - no one is forcing you to buy their car. I just think there are a lot easier ways for the dealership to make money than a 'charge tax and then get refund scam'

[niceguy1234]

Anyone know if I buy extended warranty in Canada dealer, do I need to pay GST and PST?

The Toyota dealer offer me 7yr/100000mile bumper to bumper 0 deductable extended warranty for US$1600 no tax. vs

Local Toyota dealer in Vancouver offer 7 yr/100000km bumper to bumper 0 deductable for CAD$1999. No sure if tax on top.

Should I take the US$1600 one? I am planning to own the car for 8-10 years.

[niceguy1234]

Anyone know if I buy extended warranty in Canada dealer, do I need to pay GST and PST?

The Toyota dealer offer me 7yr/100000mile bumper to bumper 0 deductable extended warranty for US$1600 no tax. vs

Local Toyota dealer in Vancouver offer 7 yr/100000km bumper to bumper 0 deductable for CAD$1999. No sure if tax on top.

Should I take the US$1600 one? I am planning to own the car for 8-10 years.

By the way my car is a Camry SE V6 with leather and sunroof which is the package B in Canada here.

[michelb]

Anyone know if I buy extended warranty in Canada dealer, do I need to pay GST and PST?

The Toyota dealer offer me 7yr/100000mile bumper to bumper 0 deductable extended warranty for US$1600 no tax. vs

Local Toyota dealer in Vancouver offer 7 yr/100000km bumper to bumper 0 deductable for CAD$1999. No sure if tax on top.

Should I take the US$1600 one? I am planning to own the car for 8-10 years.

I suspect that there is tax on top of the $1999 but in any case, don't take either - you should be able to get for the Toyota Platinum 7/100/0 for under $1000US - just search Toyota forums for extended warranty.

The plans probably aren't the same though so you might need to do more research (I think the Toyota US might cover more components but I think the Toyota Canada might offer more road-side services),

[jnmontario]

$23k for a Prius is such a good deal! I wish I had money to jump in on this deal but I don't:cry:

Don't feel too bad, the car was 'sold on me'. That's what I get for blabbing about it before I signed the paperwork. I get the feeling the vendor was getting nervous since the vehicle is still listed as 'for sale' on their website (I'll wait a couple of days to see if they take it down).

[cinqhoda]

do you get the feeling that if you are going to buy a car,you should do it sooner ,rather than later.

I don't think there is any harm in waiting, especially if you not ready to buy right away, for a few reasons:

1. The US is most likely headed for a recession, although Canada's economy may slow down a bit, we are in much better financial shape than the US. Their dollar will drop (ours will rise) which will add to your savings.

2. Also, one manufacturer has already stated that 2008 is going to be a brutal year for sales (due to the credit crisis), so one could expect desperate dealerships and big discounts.

3. Although many in this forum accuse the government/Transport Canada of being a tool of the manufacturers, the opposite is happening. They have already amended the immobilizer issue and have started the process for aligning the bumper standards with the US. They have also asked the Canadian manufacturers to lower their prices. I would not be surprised if they removed more barriers in the coming years, maybe months.

[Yuan]

i found a car exactly what i have been looking for at one of the Carmax dealership, but they refuse to sell cars that intend to export out side of the US.

Anyone has similiar problems? thanks for any tips

[bulgurc]

Used or new?

[MaDgamEr]

I though someone earlier in the thread (wwwwaaaayyyyyyy back) called Toyota and was told that the base warranty is ok in Canada, but the extended US warranty was void if the car was exported.

IE: If it was US registered in Canada it would be ok, but if the US car was registered in Canada the US extended warranty was void. No?

[Yuan]

Used or new?

used

[bulgurc]

I guess it depends on make and dealership, but the Toyota dealers do not have problem selling used to Canadians

[Marzipan]

i found a car exactly what i have been looking for at one of the Carmax dealership, but they refuse to sell cars that intend to export out side of the US.

Anyone has similiar problems? thanks for any tips

So they refuse to even sell used cars for export!! Strange!

No point in trying to persuade the dealer because you need their cooperation with the extra paper work. Just move on.

I use cars.com (http://www.cars.com/go/index.jsp) to do my searches.

[niceguy1234]

I though someone earlier in the thread (wwwwaaaayyyyyyy back) called Toyota and was told that the base warranty is ok in Canada, but the extended US warranty was void if the car was exported.

IE: If it was US registered in Canada it would be ok, but if the US car was registered in Canada the US extended warranty was void. No?

I called Toyota Canada about the US ECP (extra care plan). Toyota Canada will honor the US ECP plan in Canada. You may call and ask too.

I think there is a condition though: you need to purchase the ECP at the same time as your car. You can't purchase & import the car today and purchase the ECP 2 years later in US and use it in Canada. That does not work.

[rjmbc]

Looks like a new list as of 30 Jan 2008

[veryhuman]

Toyota reducing prices.

Toyota Canada Inc. is chopping prices on an additional 16 Toyota and Lexus models by anywhere from 3 per cent to 8 per cent, in the latest move by manufacturers and retailers to reflect the strength of the dollar.

In dollar terms, the cuts range from $750 for the Toyota Yaris, whose manufacturer's suggested retail price falls to $13,915 for the hatchback edition, up to $8,100 for the Lexus GX series, whose MSRP falls to $68,500, the auto maker said Friday.

Toyota said the move means it has lowered the MSRP for all 2008 Toyota and Lexus models except for those already adjusted late last year (Prius, Tundra and Lexus GS) and 2008 models being cleared out, such as the Corolla, Matrix, Camry and RX 350.


http://www.globeinvestor.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080201.wtoyota0201/GIStory/

[Danno2005]

More of a minor price adjustment - should be minimum 15 - 20% reduction.

[p110232]

More of a minor price adjustment - should be minimum 15 - 20% reduction.

I wouldn't call that minor...
http://www.lexus.ca/lexus/experience/en/home/tactical_prov.jsp


2008 IS 250_____$36,550 __$31,900 _13%
2008 ES 350_____$42,900 __$39,900 __7%
2008 SC 430_____$93,250 __$86,100 __8%
2008 LS 460_____$92,400 __$85,800 __7%
2009 RX 350_____$51,550 __$44,350 _14%
2008 GX 470_____$76,600 __$68,500 _11%
2008 GS 350 AWD $65,250 __$61,000 __7%
2008 LX 570____$101,400 __$84,600 _17%


in my opinion, this is a very good sign of things to come.

[Danno2005]

I wouldn't call that minor...
http://www.lexus.ca/lexus/experience/en/home/tactical_prov.jsp


Current US Price last 2 columns
2008 IS 250_____$36,550 __$31,900 _13% __$30,455__5%
2008 ES 350_____$42,900 __$39,900 __7%___$33,720__18%
2008 SC 430_____$93,250 __$86,100 __8%___$65,455__32%
2008 LS 460_____$92,400 __$85,800 __7%___$64,000__34%
2009 RX 350_____$51,550 __$44,350 _14%___$38,800__14%
2008 GX 470_____$76,600 __$68,500 _11%___$46,815__46%
2008 GS 350 AWD $65,250 __$61,000 __7%___$49,000__24%
2008 LX 570____$101,400 __$84,600 _17%___$73,000_15%


in my opinion, this is a very good sign of things to come.


Did you still "not want to call it minor"?

[p110232]

Did you still "not want to call it minor"?

Thanks for adding those numbers in. Shows how we're being screwed. It is still a big variance, no doubt.

All I'm saying is, it's a substantial cut compared to Porche's and Audi's measly cuts. These 2 started something that hopefully will trickle down to all manufacturers as the price war continues. Toyota today. Who's next? Honda/Acura perhaps?

[inspire]

Toyota / Lexus lowering the MSRP of their vehicles is nothing more than a PR attempt to have people enter their showrooms. It is a token gesture (a good gesture nonetheless) to 'level' the playing field. The MSRPs are still considerably more than the US counterparts (one can easily option out a car using the Edmunds.com website and see how much a car 'truly' is worth).

It is disappointing that Lexus.ca website does not tell you how much the freight charge they will nail on the price of a car (~C$1700 last time I checked!) so the drop in the MSRP is easily 'recouped' by the ridiculously high transport fees. To compare, Lexus charges only US$765 on most of their vehicles (source: Lexus.com).

Goes to show you how Canadians are getting taken advantage of ... glad this website is here to cause manufacturers to succumb to the will of the customer (ie our pocketbooks). Hopefully more lacklustre sales will encourage further lowering of the price of the car (at least, for those in the market to buy a car).

[bulgurc]

I don't know Lexus, Toyota is a joke. It is getting worse...
Before Xmas there was a $4000 incnetive, January $3000 now they reduced their MSRP by $2500.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Toyota Canada still calls this a BIG DEAL?

Even with the price adjustments, some models are still 15-20% higher than in the US.

Some of those models can be still had for at least $20,000 cheaper in the US not including the thousands you'll save in taxes!

Canada vs. US:

2008 IS 250_____$31,900 or $30,455 in the US__5% (close)
2008 ES 350_____$39,900 or $33,720 in the US__18% (worth bargaining in Canada)
2008 SC 430_____$86,100 or $65,455 in the US__32% (clearly a US purchase)
2008 LS 460_____$85,800 or $64,000 in the US__34% (buy two in the US and flip one in Canada)
2009 RX 350_____$44,350 or $38,800 in the US__14% (buy in the US)
2008 GX 470_____$68,500 or $46,815 in the US__46% (get screwed BIG TIME buying in Canada - but then again, if you buy in Canada, you're an idiot - either mom and dad left you a lot of money or you got your job thanks to nepotism) You certainly aren't very business-savvy buying in Canada. Then again, you probably charge the car to your company and screw your consumer over and have them pay (you know you do).
2008 GS 350 AWD $61,000 or $49,000 in the US__24% (buy in the US)
2008 LX 570____$84,600 or $73,000 in the US_15% (buy in the US)

[Cars4Canadians]

I wouldn't call that minor...
http://www.lexus.ca/lexus/experience/en/home/tactical_prov.jsp


2008 IS 250_____$36,550 __$31,900 _13%
2008 ES 350_____$42,900 __$39,900 __7%
2008 SC 430_____$93,250 __$86,100 __8%
2008 LS 460_____$92,400 __$85,800 __7%
2009 RX 350_____$51,550 __$44,350 _14%
2008 GX 470_____$76,600 __$68,500 _11%
2008 GS 350 AWD $65,250 __$61,000 __7%
2008 LX 570____$101,400 __$84,600 _17%


in my opinion, this is a very good sign of things to come.

The only good deal i see is the IS250, the IS350 is 7K more in Canada, Lexus continues to choke on their profits, i hope they lower the stupid line up of the 40K and up cars by 15 percent, then we could talk nice DEAL.

[Sunspot21]

This move by Toyota merely reduces the price differential from outrageous proportions to something that is still staggering. But who knows, a couple more announcements and we might be in more reasonable territory. I'll continue to look in the US until that time.

[whampoa]

I wish people stop saying this a good start and that the manufacturers are coming out with a new, and improve Canadian Pricing and so on.

It is all a BS, if they really want to tout how well the Canadian dollar is doing.

They should advertise their Canadian MSRP below the US or at least at par.

[Cars4Canadians]

I wish people stop saying this a good start and that the manufacturers are coming out with a new, and improve Canadian Pricing and so on.

It is all a BS, if they really want to tout how well the Canadian dollar is doing.

They should advertise their Canadian MSRP below the US or at least at par.

Indeed

The answer the car manufacturers give back in response to the higher MSRP are:

1) Advertising costs in Canada are higher. (Yeah right, how many newspapers, tv stations, magazines, radio shows does BMW USA need to advertise in?, THis whole excuse about advertising is lame)

2) One idiot told me on the phone that we have only one "Port" in Canada that is why our car prices are higher for imported cars lol

3) Market size (ok, whatever, if they lower the price, more people will purchase their goods, so if they want to grow their "Market" why not even the field between the pricing in the USA and Canada)

The only thing they don't say is that they price their cars to whatever the Market can bear, and we all as Canadians get to eat that cost like civilized sheep. baaaaa baaaaa



i also wish people would continue to call car manufacturers and complain about the pricing issues. I know how many times can you call right? I do, every single week i make sure to call at least 8 manufacturers. I like arguing with them i guess. It is a pleasure to tell them they act like pigs.

What they are doing is just wrong, you don’t gouge your consume like that when you have another market a few KM away in Buffalo that has cars priced 25-50% lower. Dirty rotten scoundrels that is what they are

[spottedmoose]

thanks for posting the prices and US comparisons..
one thing that we must keep in mind is that these are MSRP prices..i think before we say yea or nay to the move by toyota,we have to know how much the dealer will negotiate..maybe the prices are lowered but the dealer now has no room to manoever on price,and we are back where we started..only the lower MSRP looks good as window dressing..

in the US,one negotiates from the invoice price,not the list as we seem to do in canada..as to the lexus price,i am looking for a es350 and note it dropped $3000..recently a US lexus purchaser mailed me and said that she got an email from her dealer in NY offering the es350 up to $5000 below list which is about invoice.

i think the only way we can really assess the true price is for members to report their purchase prices,both in canada and the US. .and don't forget for every $1000. you save in the US,you save $130 in tax.

[Marzipan]

Toyota / Lexus lowering the MSRP of their vehicles is nothing more than a PR attempt to have people enter their showrooms. It is a token gesture (a good gesture nonetheless) to 'level' the playing field. The MSRPs are still considerably more than the US counterparts (one can easily option out a car using the Edmunds.com website and see how much a car 'truly' is worth).

Read these lines from Toyoya Canada's news release. (http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/February2008/01/c6161.html)

The company reacted to the market by offering a mix of price adjustments, gas gift cards, cash rebates, maintenance offers and attractive lease and financing rates. Toyota Canada Inc. is now converting these incentives into clear, consistent price reductions for our customers.

It's a small move. There was much resistance to dropping the MSRP - perhaps for fear that the USD would recover. Finally, the MSRP is lowered on the base trims.

The bottom line is the actual cross-border price difference with the trim and options you desire.

[bulgurc]

thanks for posting the prices and US comparisons..
one thing that we must keep in mind is that these are MSRP prices..i think before we say yea or nay to the move by toyota,we have to know how much the dealer will negotiate..maybe the prices are lowered but the dealer now has no room to manoever on price,and we are back where we started..only the lower MSRP looks good as window dressing..

in the US,one negotiates from the invoice price,not the list as we seem to do in canada..as to the lexus price,i am looking for a es350 and note it dropped $3000..recently a US lexus purchaser mailed me and said that she got an email from her dealer in NY offering the es350 up to $5000 below list which is about invoice.

i think the only way we can really assess the true price is for members to report their purchase prices,both in canada and the US. .and don't forget for every $1000. you save in the US,you save $130 in tax.

Does not llok like there is any difference on the bottom line. I called this morning my local dealer and offered them a few thousand higher than what would have cost me from US. They did not budge. Actaully they seem to make this a big deal, but it is getting worse. I am interested in Highlander, there was a $4000 incentive in Dec., They had $3000 in Januray. Now they get rid of the rebate and reduced their MSRP by 2500. Bottom line is it costs me now $1500 more to buy in Canada

[veryhuman]

So at the end of the day, 2008 Lexus IS 250 is a reasonable buy? (Price wise)

[jnmontario]

Toyota BIG DEAL my @ss

Signed today: Package #3 2007 Toyota Prius in NY $21500 (2100 mi.) and with the speed they accepted my offer, I'm pretty sure I could have negotiated down a few hundred more. Retail (in canada) for the '07 with the same package was $37k. There are MANY US dealerships willing to sell off-new (low mileage) vehicles to CDN's. That same vehicle in Canada, if you can find a used 2007 that hasn't been in a collision, averages you $27k-29k and rarely has the 'higher end' packages.

Even with a 5% drop (which for the Prius won't happen since they 'just adjusted' prices) means I'd still be paying ~$6000-$7000 more for the same vehicle. I know they're talking about new with the 3-8% drop, but face it, as many have pointed out, the US is still a far superior place to purchase all vehicles that are in high demand.

[sb_tor]

So at the end of the day, 2008 Lexus IS 250 is a reasonable buy? (Price wise)

IS 250 seems to be now a good buy in Canada, especially for someone looking to lease/finance. Not the other lexus models yet.

[bulgurc]

I used to live in States. can Statefarm sell me US insurance using my old address? Any opinions? Daeler is insisting on a US insurance on a US address.

[DrXenon]

I used to live in States. can Statefarm sell me US insurance using my old address? Any opinions? Daeler is insisting on a US insurance on a US address.

In some states, the dealer is not allowed to let you drive off the lot without proof that you're insured. However, there is nothing in those laws to say that it can't be from a Canadian insurance company. Try to educate them, they may change their tune if you make like you're walking away.

[bulgurc]

No they say Toyota forces them

[RRKnight]

IS 250 seems to be now a good buy in Canada, especially for someone looking to lease/finance. Not the other lexus models yet.


No it's not, last Nov I picked up a 2007 IS250 AWD with Luxury package and Navi for $34,600 US. $31K CND is the base model without the AWD, Navi and Luxury package. If you add the options I got, you are looking at $50K. What a crappy price! We are still getting screwed by the dealers.:twisted:

[Cars4Canadians]

So at the end of the day, 2008 Lexus IS 250 is a reasonable buy? (Price wise)

In my opinion it won't get better on that 250 RWD model, unless the Canadian dollar shoots up to 1.10 or something.

in my opinion, the IS250 is the size of a Honda civic to me, and why exactly should the consumer pay such a big premium on one? lol I think the IS250 should be priced at 26K Canadian at most. But... oh well.... people seem to enjoying paying lots of honda civic type cars in fake-pigs leather and a couple more HP.

[Cars4Canadians]

No it's not, last Nov I picked up a 2007 IS250 AWD with Luxury package and Navi for $34,600 US. $31K CND is the base model without the AWD, Navi and Luxury package. If you add the options I got, you are looking at $50K. What a crappy price! We are still getting screwed by the dealers.:twisted:

Hmmm looking at it like that, Canadians still get to grease up, like sheep led to the slaughter.

[icanwait]

Speaking of letting Canadian manufacturers know you feelings - I often use the "contact us" link to send them a bit of harrassment - like the following -

Good day,

Thank you for your email. Please note that Hyundai Auto Canada and Hyundai Motor America are two separate and independent companies operating in two markets that are different in product criteria and market size. It is worth noting also that the 10 years powertrain coverage in the US gets reduced to half in both time and mileage once the vehicle is sold to a subsequent owner. This means that only the first owner of the vehicle would benefit from the 10 years warranty period.

Regards,
Hyundai Auto Canada Corp.
MQ/3521


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From:
Sent: Wed 1/23/2008 10:09 PM
To: Customer Service
Subject: features


For the last 4 years I've been seeing T.V. commercials about a 10 year warranty - but when I check with a dealer they deny it.

I just priced a 2008 Elantra which is not only almost $5000 cheaper, but is has Electronic Stability Control (ESC) with Traction Control System as well as a 10 year warranty.

Are you saying I should buy a Mitsubishi or are you going to offer a 10 year warranty in Canada, as well as the same equipment at a more equitable price?

Name: Phone: 6040000000
Contact Recipient: yes


Now if the Canadian and US Hyundai's are separate companies isn't that like BP refusing to sell me gas in the U.S. because Mohawk sells gas in Canada?

[bulgurc]

I am tryining to go around the problem of not selling to the Canadians. I found a friendly dealer. Here is what he suggesting:
I used to live in States. I still has my social security number. He says get a US insurance using your old address. Then we can sell you using your old address. They will charge me a sales tax, but refund me via check (out of state address).
I called state farm, I told them I am moving back to US and they will write me insurance with that address and Ontario driver licence. I pick the car up and cancel the policy afterwards. I will have Canadian insurance.

I will aprreciate any comments on this, any potential problems. Delaership is very close to the border.

[toyorav4me]

Toyota reducing prices.



http://www.globeinvestor.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080201.wtoyota0201/GIStory/

Lots of bad smelling smoke screen.

[Monsieurmaggot]

IS 250 seems to be now a good buy in Canada, especially for someone looking to lease/finance. Not the other lexus models yet.

Not really.

They typically ask for a much higher deposit and the residual value is much higher in Canada meaning they're getting their price line anyway. They'll spin it by saying "see how much our cars are worth at the end of the lease" ? BMW is famous for that marketing tactic "we have high residual values". The problem is the values are like DeBeers diamonds. Monopolistic - you can say what you want.

The sad part is that used BMWs are coming into Canada from the US in droves. Some greasy vend-whores (my new coined word) are cashing in on the Canadian values.

Unfortunately the Canadian car dealers/manufacturers have made their own beds. In order to satisfy their greed on maintaining high (overly inflated) residual values on their lease returns, the initial costs need to be kept higher but that's eroding quickly. In about a year, the two and three year lease returns will be coming back and no one will be buying them. A first year business student can figure that one out.

It's a self-sustaining tactic that worked wonders until the Canadian dollar broke .90 cents then it all fell apart.

Makes me think of Enron and the recent interest rate fiasco in the US. The Canadian car market is on the path to self-correction.

I will just sit back and chuckle when it all collapses around them.

[jrvic]

Back in Jan, Lexus USA was giving 5K off MSRP for all RX350s. This is before you even start negotiation. :lol:

[zircon]

Toyota Canada still calls this a BIG DEAL?

Even with the price adjustments, some models are still 15-20% higher than in the US.

Some of those models can be still had for at least $20,000 cheaper in the US not including the thousands you'll save in taxes!

Canada vs. US:

2008 IS 250_____$31,900 or $30,455 in the US__5% (close)
2008 ES 350_____$39,900 or $33,720 in the US__18% (worth bargaining in Canada)
2008 SC 430_____$86,100 or $65,455 in the US__32% (clearly a US purchase)
2008 LS 460_____$85,800 or $64,000 in the US__34% (buy two in the US and flip one in Canada)
2009 RX 350_____$44,350 or $38,800 in the US__14% (buy in the US)
2008 GX 470_____$68,500 or $46,815 in the US__46% (get screwed BIG TIME buying in Canada - but then again, if you buy in Canada, you're an idiot - either mom and dad left you a lot of money or you got your job thanks to nepotism) You certainly aren't very business-savvy buying in Canada. Then again, you probably charge the car to your company and screw your consumer over and have them pay (you know you do).
2008 GS 350 AWD $61,000 or $49,000 in the US__24% (buy in the US)
2008 LX 570____$84,600 or $73,000 in the US_15% (buy in the US)

You are not being fair. recall cars entering the USA and Canada from abroad face different levels of tariff. In canada a foreign car gets hit with a 6.1% levy, while duty in the states in less than 2%. So, the IS250 is priced exactly the same in the 2 countries. Try importing the IS and you will pay 6.1%, and lost money. Admittedly, some of the more expensive cars are still too high.

[bulgurc]

I am tryining to go around the problem of not selling to the Canadians. I found a friendly dealer. Here is what he suggesting:
I used to live in States. I still has my social security number. He says get a US insurance using your old address. Then we can sell you using your old address. They will charge me a sales tax, but refund me via check (out of state address).
I called state farm, I told them I am moving back to US and they will write me insurance with that address and Ontario driver licence. I pick the car up and cancel the policy afterwards. I will have Canadian insurance.

I will aprreciate any comments on this, any potential problems. Delaership is very close to the border.

Anybody?

[Cars4Canadians]

Not really.

They typically ask for a much higher deposit and the residual value is much higher in Canada meaning they're getting their price line anyway. They'll spin it by saying "see how much our cars are worth at the end of the lease" ? BMW is famous for that marketing tactic "we have high residual values". The problem is the values are like DeBeers diamonds. Monopolistic - you can say what you want.

The sad part is that used BMWs are coming into Canada from the US in droves. Some greasy vend-whores (my new coined word) are cashing in on the Canadian values.

Unfortunately the Canadian car dealers/manufacturers have made their own beds. In order to satisfy their greed on maintaining high (overly inflated) residual values on their lease returns, the initial costs need to be kept higher but that's eroding quickly. In about a year, the two and three year lease returns will be coming back and no one will be buying them. A first year business student can figure that one out.

It's a self-sustaining tactic that worked wonders until the Canadian dollar broke .90 cents then it all fell apart.

Makes me think of Enron and the recent interest rate fiasco in the US. The Canadian car market is on the path to self-correction.

I will just sit back and chuckle when it all collapses around them.

I really hope it will correct, i just wonder how long we will get gouged and need Vaseline whenever we go to a Canadian dealer.

[jnmontario]

I am tryining to go around the problem of not selling to the Canadians. I found a friendly dealer. Here is what he suggesting:
I used to live in States. I still has my social security number. He says get a US insurance using your old address. Then we can sell you using your old address. They will charge me a sales tax, but refund me via check (out of state address).
I called state farm, I told them I am moving back to US and they will write me insurance with that address and Ontario driver licence. I pick the car up and cancel the policy afterwards. I will have Canadian insurance.

I will aprreciate any comments on this, any potential problems. Delaership is very close to the border.

I tried that approach (I have dual cit.), no go since it's still for export. Unless I register it for a state w/ an address (thus pay taxes on it) they won't sell it to me. At that point you're paying (potentially) regular state tax, PST and GST and, if it's a foreign car, another 6.1%. Dangerously close to not being worth it unless the price difference is quite large. My 2c.

[bulgurc]

My address is in Delaware, where there is no Sales tax

[HotDeal]

Last August I picked up a Toyota Sienna for 33k CAD(all in) and that is when U.S. dollar was at 8% primium.
Even with this reduction the base price on Siena is 29k for base CE model.

I paid that amount for an LE with an extra package (#2 or #3 I forget) and including an 8 passenger version.

It is still cheaper in the U.S. Another benefit of purchasing in the U.S. is a greater choice of options.

In my case there was choice of 8 packages in Canada and 12 in the U.S.

[zircon]

You are not being fair. recall cars entering the USA and Canada from abroad face different levels of tariff. In canada a foreign car gets hit with a 6.1% levy, while duty in the states in less than 2%. So, the IS250 is priced exactly the same in the 2 countries. Try importing the IS and you will pay 6.1%, and lost money. Admittedly, some of the more expensive cars are still too high.

Let me amend that. I checked Lexus's web site and they SCREW you if you put any options in the IS250. Instead of asking the typical 2K for AWD, they now want something like 6K. Let them eat grass.

I wait only for the diesels to come out in the US, then my next purchase will be at hand. Suburu is bring a 2 L turbo diesel AWD Legacy to Europe that is wicked ly fast yet gets up to 61 mpg (this is what I read, so I assume Brit gallon). They may or not bring it to the states. However Audi, Acura etc are. One will get my business.

[162]

Looks like prices might be coming down in the next little while hopefully..

http://finance.sympatico.msn.ca/investing/news/businessnews/article.aspx?cp-documentid=6141116

[leseuldaniel]

Record car sales in Canada this January...>:(

http://www.forbes.com/reuters/feeds/reuters/2008/02/01/2008-02-01T224208Z_01_N01432635_RTRIDST_0_CANADA-AUTOS.html

Behavior like that goes a long way helping the poor manufacturers and dealerships from decreasing prices...

[Cars4Canadians]

Record car sales in Canada this January...>:(

http://www.forbes.com/reuters/feeds/reuters/2008/02/01/2008-02-01T224208Z_01_N01432635_RTRIDST_0_CANADA-AUTOS.html

Behavior like that goes a long way helping the poor manufacturers and dealerships from decreasing prices...

Wow that is just insane, why are people buying those overpriced Honda's anyway, they should boycot them.

[Cars4Canadians]

Record car sales in Canada this January...>:(

http://www.forbes.com/reuters/feeds/reuters/2008/02/01/2008-02-01T224208Z_01_N01432635_RTRIDST_0_CANADA-AUTOS.html

Behavior like that goes a long way helping the poor manufacturers and dealerships from decreasing prices...

Unless those numbers are cooked in some way? I can't belive the Sheep have run to the manufacturers to purchase their new overpriced tin-cans. WTF?

[Danno2005]

Record car sales in Canada this January...>:(

http://www.forbes.com/reuters/feeds/reuters/2008/02/01/2008-02-01T224208Z_01_N01432635_RTRIDST_0_CANADA-AUTOS.html

Behavior like that goes a long way helping the poor manufacturers and dealerships from decreasing prices...

Unsustainable and 1 month does not make a trend.

[whampoa]

Looks like prices might be coming down in the next little while hopefully..

http://finance.sympatico.msn.ca/investing/news/businessnews/article.aspx?cp-documentid=6141116

Ahh, our friend Dennis the mathematician is at it again. Doublespeak.

Last year when GM, Ford and Chrysler were offering huge incentives, rebates and even price cut.

He basically lambaste them for devaluing their image in the eye of the consumers.

But when Toyota is doing the same thing this year he said, and I quote:

"It's a smart move on their part, and a move that isn't entirely unexpected,"

I guess it doesn't matter to him who to praise or criticize, as long as his palm is well grease, especially from the land of the rising sun.

[fuc847]

forgive me if this is asked already,

but whats the easiest way to find the lowest invoice price for a new car at a US dealer. is there an online site that provides such quotes..?

is the invoice price range listed on http://autos.yahoo.com accurate for what you actually get ?

[eastsidesubaru]

forgive me if this is asked already,

but whats the easiest way to find the lowest invoice price for a new car at a US dealer. is there an online site that provides such quotes..?

is the invoice price range listed on http://autos.yahoo.com accurate for what you actually get ?

edmunds.com is generally accurate, but keep in mind there are usually already accessories on the car from the factory. (and any you choose to add will not be at invoice price, as there is labor involved.)
also, on some brands (like Subaru, Toyota...) finding anybody who would sell for invoice may prove quite challenging at this point.

[rjmbc]

My address is in Delaware, where there is no Sales tax

You can also use, Montana, Oregon & Alaska - if you are in the western provinces.

[bulgurc]

edmunds.com is generally accurate, but keep in mind there are usually already accessories on the car from the factory. (and any you choose to add will not be at invoice price, as there is labor involved.)
also, on some brands (like Subaru, Toyota...) finding anybody who would sell for invoice may prove quite challenging at this point.
The way I do it go to edmunds and select your trim and go to the select to your options page. But car options are bundled. So at this point you know the prices of options. Now go to the manufacturers site enter the zipcode of the area you are buying from. Pick the option package you want and note what options it comes with. Then go back to Edmunds and enter them as your desired options. I find the TMV column to be bang on what they can sell the car to you

[jmlleung]

Back in Jan, Lexus USA was giving 5K off MSRP for all RX350s. This is before you even start negotiation. :lol:

For the Lexus RX350 in US, are you able to negotiate more after the 5K off MSRP?

[dotcalamitie]

dropped in Canada because their market share here lost ground in January while in the US it went up. I enjoyed seeing that they are maintaining the price of the Prius. Still a great deal in the US at $25,000 vs $35,000 CDN. We're seeing some competitive forces at work with Toyota's move. It will be a slow haul until one of the manufacturers really buckles and drops prices enough to grab market share.

The one thing no one talks about is the 1% decrease in GST and its psychological impact on sales. It kind of gives me the willies that so many people have so little disregard for their money...not a good economic sign because when money has little meaning, trouble is ahead because a fool and their money are easily parted. And it appears that Canada has a lot of fools. I'm down at my place in Florida right now and shopping around here is unbelievable. Unbelievable. I'm buying most things for 25 to 35 percent less here. Although I went into the SeaDoo dealership and they basically threw me out as they didn't want any Canadians in their showrooms.

[twinstars]

Just successfully imported my new 2008 Tribeca. I just want to thank all those that had posted their experiences, because they were very helpful in my preparation. And of course, thank you very much to Monsieurmaggot for having started this thread!

[Luds]

Hi folks, haven't visited since I brought back my altima coupe over Xmas.

So am I dreaming? Did I not see that all Hondas are admissible right now?http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/VAFUS.pdf

I've got a buddy who's looking for civics and we're checking the prices online right now.

21075 before taxes for DXG Coupe in Canada
17395 before taxes for LX Coupe in States

I seem to remember Hondas weren't admissible 3 months ago.

[dreaderus]

Hi folks, haven't visited since I brought back my altima coupe over Xmas.

So am I dreaming? Did I not see that all Hondas are admissible right now?http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/VAFUS.pdf

I've got a buddy who's looking for civics and we're checking the prices online right now.

21075 before taxes for DXG Coupe in Canada
17395 before taxes for LX Coupe in States

I seem to remember Hondas weren't admissible 3 months ago.

i think its more of a concern of finding someone to sell you a Honda and if you register it you void your warranty completely.

Dreaderus

[whampoa]

...The one thing no one talks about is the 1% decrease in GST and its psychological impact on sales...

The 1% cut in GST shouldn't affect where you purchase the car, locally or importing from the US.

[thegradas]

http://www.trader.ca/powerpage/details.aspx?vlotid=1507124&adid=6564305

2006 Audi 2.0T AWD - also on their website (stock# A20238) http://www.audimississauga.com/en_CA/

[elmst200]

http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/299753

Toyota slashes prices as loonie strengthens

Feb 02, 2008 04:30 AM
Tony Van Alphen
Business Reporter

Auto shoppers will probably start seeing even lower prices on new vehicles soon after Toyota rocked the industry yesterday by rolling back retail stickers on many models because of the continuing strength of the dollar.

Analysts say Toyota Canada's move to drop the key manufacturer's suggested retail price by up to several thousand dollars on 16 models including the Lexus brand will trigger similar steps by rivals, or higher incentives.

Furthermore, the company also suggested it would drop the MSRPs on the popular Corolla, Matrix and Camry models when new versions appear in showrooms during the next few months.

"This is a very significant," said Richard Cooper, vice-president of auto researchers J.D. Power and Associates in Canada.

"Toyota has thrown down the gauntlet on the competition. I think consumers will now see different strategies from automakers on beating the competition on price. It's going to be pretty exciting. Shoppers will be the winners."

Auto analyst Dennis DesRosiers agreed. "On the surface, I believe consumers will win, and win big. The question now is not whether other companies will follow but how they will respond."

MSRPs in the U.S. that arae much lower in Canadian currency than Canadian prices raised the ire of consumers here last fall.

Some luxury automakers such as Audi and Mercedes-Benz chopped their MSRPs in Canada by more than $10,000 on high-end models late last year, but companies with full product lines were reluctant to make that leap.

Instead of reducing suggested retail prices, most automakers have been offering short-term deals, including thousands of dollars in cash-back offers, delivery allowances, free gasoline, no-interest financing and other sweeteners.

Toyota, which will also continue using some incentives, said it decided on lowering MSRPs because the dollar shows no sign of falling back from big gains in value during the past year.

Yesterday, the dollar's exchange value closed up almost a full cent to $1.006 (U.S.).

"It's very clear the dollar is settling in a higher range than it historically has," Stephen Beatty, managing director of Toyota Canada, said yesterday. "We said rather than use short-term incentives, let's be more transparent by rolling down MSRPs."

DesRosiers, president of DesRosiers Automotive Consultants, said automakers rarely make big adjustments in MSRPs because it can cause havoc in their budget and product planning, inventories and marketing.

"It is one of the most complex things an automaker does," he said. "It is not taken lightly and is very sensitive."

Spokespersons for Chrysler and Ford said they had no new immediate plans to follow Toyota's lead.

Cooper said GM adjusted its MSRPs in Canada slightly last year but Toyota's cuts are much larger.

Toyota's MSRP reductions range from 3 per cent to 13 per cent. For example, the price of a Yaris hatchback drops 5 per cent, or $750, to $13,165 (Canadian); the RAV4 sport utility vehicle falls 6.8 per cent, or $2,000, to $27,400; the Tacoma pickup truck drops 10 per cent, or $2,290, to $20,470, and the Lexus IS sports car decreases 13 per cent, or $4,650, to $31,900.

Meanwhile, consumers are still grumbling about price disparities with the U.S. and moves by some companies that erase savings when shoppers try to import new and used models into Canada.

One consumer complained yesterday that the MSRP on the Toyota RAV4 model is still noticeably less expensive in the U.S. after the company's price reductions.

But a Toyota spokesperson said MSRPs in the U.S. don't reflect the cost of extra equipment to meet government regulatory standards here, duties and taxes.

[Tender]

[QUOTE=elmst200;6356140...a Toyota spokesperson said MSRPs in the U.S. don't reflect the cost of extra equipment to meet government regulatory standards here, duties and taxes.[/QUOTE]

lol I never know that Toyota pays our taxes here. Wait, isn't it the other way around?

[Monsieurmaggot]

I think I will be starting up "Monsieurmaggot Automotive Consultants" business.

I'm offering my services to the automotive sector and will provide them insight into proper automotive marketing strategies. I have over a whole years' experience in commenting on the automobile importing process. I doubt Dennis DesRosiers can ever say he's gone through the process.

Clearly if DesRosiers can be a automotive consultant, so can I. After all, I grew up in Windsor too. That should make me an expert on just about all aspect of the automotive industry. All I need to do is comment on irrelevant matters and the automotive sector will eat it up.

The automotive sector then can say "it wasn't us but rather our consultant who said it!"

My first few tidbits (you bet DesRosier will be quoting this stuff right from my thread):

"Automobile prices in Canada will remain competetive until they are adjusted lower or market conditions warrant an adjustment".

"Competitively priced vehicles in Canada will dominate the marketplace".

"When imported into Canada, an American purchased vehicle is subject to GST, AC Tax and provincial sales taxes (if applicable). When you calculate this into the equation, you will see the import price is almost identical to the MSRP in Canada. We all know no one pays MSRP in Canada".

This is good stuff. You can't get this information for free.

[Cars4Canadians]

Hyundai is a big big big gouger, lol
i've seen their ads for the Veracruz, it is 40K in Canada, and only 27K in the USA, are they really that stupid? Who in their right mind will pay premium for a Korean car? LOL If i have to waste that type of money i might as well get brand name, not no-name BS.

[Luds]

i think its more of a concern of finding someone to sell you a Honda and if you register it you void your warranty completely.

Dreaderus


Maybe so. I'd assume though that it would only be a matter of going further south to pick it up from a non border state. As for the warranty, 3rd party 5 years are only 1000$ at ensurall. It's worth sending off a few emails to Honda dealers.

[Carisear]

I think I will be starting up "Monsieurmaggot Automotive Consultants" business.
...

This is good stuff. You can't get this information for free.


you sir, are a genius! all the people who listen to des rosier will FLOCK TO YOU!

[jrvic]

For the Lexus RX350 in US, are you able to negotiate more after the 5K off MSRP?

I am pretty sure you can. In Aug 07, I got mine at about 4K off from the dealer without any apparent Lexus USA incentive.

[ryandk]

I've finally given up on my dream of buying a new BMW, and I'm going back to my original choice -- a 2008 Honda Civic EX-L with navigation.

Has anyone been successful in buying a Civic directly from a Honda dealer in the US?

Have any of you used an import service to help you purchase the Civic?

I'll be importing the Civic into BC. Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks.

[synthtrance]

I know the thread is on new cars but is there any incentive for buying used cars overseas? I'm currently looking through autotrader online for used cars.

[joejack]

I know the thread is on new cars but is there any incentive for buying used cars overseas? I'm currently looking through autotrader online for used cars.

Just like the new cars, used cars are also less expensive down south. I bought a late model used car (almost new with 4k miles) for half what it would have cost me to purchase here in Canada. If interested, search my name in this tread and you will see all my post and details.

[regrus]

I know the thread is on new cars but is there any incentive for buying used cars overseas? I'm currently looking through autotrader online for used cars.
Vehicles from "overseas" have to be 15 years and older to bring into Canada as those countries are not part of NAFTA.

[Cars4Canadians]

I've finally given up on my dream of buying a new BMW, and I'm going back to my original choice -- a 2008 Honda Civic EX-L with navigation.




That just goes to show you, the Car industry does not need help, even a Corvette is grossly overpriced in Canada, and i'd purchase one if it was 46K or so in Canada, i love the new look of that car.

I can’t understand how the idiot American car industry bitches about falling profits/sales, yet they continue to gouge the Canadians? What excuse do they have? Euro conversion issues? Or again the useless our market is smaller, or advertising costs more here?

I guess BMW thinks the Idiotic Canadian consumer will continue to purchase from BMW regardless if they overprice their cars by 11K to 35K

I bet a lot of business owners could gouge their consumer at that level, too bad competition would bankrupt them. lol

In BMW's case, i guess competition is meaningless since the dullards still buy BMW even if they get ripped off. All those wannabe "Millionaires" purchasing 328/335's lol

[whampoa]

http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/299753

Toyota slashes prices as loonie strengthens

Feb 02, 2008 04:30 AM
Tony Van Alphen
Business Reporter

...a Toyota spokesperson said MSRPs in the U.S. don't reflect the cost of extra equipment to meet government regulatory standards here, duties and taxes.
:arrowd:
lol I never know that Toyota pays our taxes here. Wait, isn't it the other way around?

If anything, we are paying more in taxes (ex. non-NAFTA duty, RIV, state tax) if we import from the US.

Yes, I consider RIV a form of taxes. If applicable, we are also paying import duty twice (original US purchase, and Canada custom) and state tax. In addition to the mandatory GST and PST.

Even with all these levies, we are still ahead of the game when purchase in the state than over here.

That show how screw up our Canadian pricing are becoming, each day the dollar rise above the greenback.

[Tender]

:arrowd:


If anything, we are paying more in taxes (ex. non-NAFTA duty, RIV, state tax) if we import from the US.

Yes, I consider RIV a form of taxes. If applicable, we are also paying import duty twice (original US purchase, and Canada custom) and state tax. In addition to the mandatory GST and PST.

Even with all these levies, we are still ahead of the game when purchase in the state than over here.

That show how screw up our Canadian pricing are becoming, each day the dollar rise above the greenback.

Note that duties have been singled out of taxes by Toyota ("duties and taxes") so it's not counted here.

And the article is talking about new cars. Most of the states if not all don't charge state taxes if you intend to export to Canada.

Toyota is apparently trying to deceive Canadians by implying that we pay GST/PST on US cars, not Cdn cars. At least that's the first impression I get as an average reader.

As for RIV fee? How much is that? $200? I'd definitely pay that to get thousands of savings.:lol:

[whampoa]

Note that duties have been singled out of taxes by Toyota ("duties and taxes") so it's not counted here.

And the article is talking about new cars. Most of the states if not all don't charge state taxes if you intend to export to Canada.

Toyota is apparently trying to deceive Canadians by implying that we pay GST/PST on US cars, not Cdn cars. At least that's the first impression I get as an average reader.

As for RIV fee? How much is that? $200? I'd definitely pay that to get thousands of savings.:lol:

Maybe my bold, italicize emphasis on the words if applicable doesn't ring a bell for some.

Anyways, duties does indeed count here. For that matter state tax too.

Let say you're purchasing one of those not very rare import built in Europe or Asia. The purchase price in US already include import duty. And once you bring it over to Canada, custom will tag on another import duty.

You're right some states don't tax non resident, however most do, and for whatever reason you've no choice cough Toyota cough but to purchase from these taxable states, you are SOL.

[bulgurc]

Toyota Canada does not buy cars from Toyota US, but from Toyota (i.e. Japan). So they will not be paying double duty (just higher, 2.5% duty in States, 6.1% here, assuming car is built in Japan). They definitely will not paying Sales taxes to US states.

[PrimeBane]

Quick question for those that have already imported.

The carfax report on the vehicle has the line "Loan or lien reported
". Later in the year, the vehicle went up for auction.

Because it's already gone through auction (approx 5 months after the loan or lien) would I still require proof of the lien being lifted at the border?

The used vehicle is being purchased from a dealership.

Thanks :)

[diigii]

Hello kids!!! I haven't been here in a while. What's new? Is DesRosiers blabbing about again? :D

[Tender]

Maybe my bold, italicize emphasis on the words if applicable doesn't ring a bell for some.

Anyways, duties does indeed count here. For that matter state tax too.

Let say you're purchasing one of those not very rare import built in Europe or Asia. The purchase price in US already include import duty. And once you bring it over to Canada, custom will tag on another import duty.

You're right some states don't tax non resident, however most do, and for whatever reason you've no choice cough Toyota cough but to purchase from these taxable states, you are SOL.

Your arguments are all valid in a normal situation. However, we are talking about the message that Toyota said in the article. And all I'm saying is Toyota is misleading Canadians by implying you pay "DUTIES AND TAXES". Pay attention to their line. I wonder what taxes they are referring to here, specifically, what taxes other than duties.

[freewheel]

More misinformation and scare tactics in the globe:

http://www.globeauto.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080204.wh-crossborder-0204/GAStory/specialGlobeAuto/home

[Danno2005]

More misinformation and scare tactics in the globe:

http://www.globeauto.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080204.wh-crossborder-0204/GAStory/specialGlobeAuto/home

What a load of bull crap.

"Slight savings" seems to be stuck "on" on the keyboard.

:evil:

[jnmontario]

Well, after reading this thread for 6 mo. now and waiting for the immobilizer issue to right itself, I've bought a 2007 Prius. I'd have loved to have bought new but didn't want to have to book a flight to VA or NC and had a 1-2 day drive back to get the damn thing.

I want to extol the virtues of [edited since they could get in trouble from what I gather - PM me if you're a veteran and interested]. They have a professional staff, I've found all of my interactions with them pleasant. They were even willing to knock off a chunk off the price we'd haggled because they couldn't sell me a 'toyota certified vehicle' since it was for export. I believe they know where their bread is getting buttered these days since they have a 'Canadian export specialist' on staff (and they push sales to Canadians on their site). All deals start with sales reps but finalize with [edited - we'll call him 'Bob']. He has filled out all of my paperwork for me and will fax everything to the border for me. All I needed to do was to give him my insurance and baking info and he called me to let me know the details of what and when. Sounds a lot like people's experience with Xan and the Subies.

Great job all and keep up your work, who needs Canadian dealerships when nice Americans are willing to work their best to satisfy our consumer demands.

[Rehan]

They were even willing to knock off a chunk off the price we'd haggled because they couldn't sell me a 'toyota certified vehicle' since it was for export. Is that one of the rules imposed by Toyota USA? :(

[jnmontario]

Is that one of the rules imposed by Toyota USA? :(

From what I gather. They were quite blatant on their website about proudly selling to Canadians but maybe they've looked at ways to circumvent the stupid TofA policies about selling for export.

[angel_wing0]

Well, after reading this thread for 6 mo. now and waiting for the immobilizer issue to right itself, I've bought a 2007 Prius. I'd have loved to have bought new but didn't want to have to book a flight to VA or NC and had a 1-2 day drive back to get the damn thing.

I want to extol the virtues of [edited since they could get in trouble from what I gather - PM me if you're a veteran and interested]. They have a professional staff, I've found all of my interactions with them pleasant. They were even willing to knock off a chunk off the price we'd haggled because they couldn't sell me a 'toyota certified vehicle' since it was for export. I believe they know where their bread is getting buttered these days since they have a 'Canadian export specialist' on staff (and they push sales to Canadians on their site). All deals start with sales reps but finalize with [edited - we'll call him 'Bob']. He has filled out all of my paperwork for me and will fax everything to the border for me. All I needed to do was to give him my insurance and baking info and he called me to let me know the details of what and when. Sounds a lot like people's experience with Xan and the Subies.

Great job all and keep up your work, who needs Canadian dealerships when nice Americans are willing to work their best to satisfy our consumer demands.


lucky i got the link before u remove it, thanks very very useful! i might buy new from them...

[freewheel]

What a load of bull crap.

"Slight savings" seems to be stuck "on" on the keyboard.

:evil:

There is a place to post your comments. Mine are on there already.

[Prof]

I've had a few inquiries about the Citibank Driver's Edge rebate. Just wanted to let those who wondered know that I received my rebate on my US purchase. It was very straight forward. The steps are laid out on the pdf online. It took about three weeks to receive the check, $1842.00. Note that the request must be within 60 days of purchase.

[angel_wing0]

I've had a few inquiries about the Citibank Driver's Edge rebate. Just wanted to let those who wondered know that I received my rebate on my US purchase. It was very straight forward. The steps are laid out on the pdf online. It took about three weeks to receive the check, $1842.00. Note that the request must be within 60 days of purchase.

wow thats alot of money. But for that to happen, do we need to use the cc to buy the car? or just buy the car with whatever method and send it the rebate form? ..or am i just confused?

[niceguy1234]

I drove my new Camry SE back on Jan 31. The CAD custom charged me $207 at the board thru on-line. I email RIV the forms once I came home. I thought I cound get the Form 2 by email at the same day. I called them, and they said they did not care to check my email and request, and told me they would email that to me after 3 business days. I called them the next day, and same answer. I got the Form 2 today and will arragne the Federal Inspection in CT.

I am living in Vancouver BC, so anyone expect the whole importing procedure can be done within the same day - is impossible.

[HighFlyer]

wow thats alot of money. But for that to happen, do we need to use the cc to buy the car? or just buy the car with whatever method and send it the rebate form?
the latter.

of course, many car dealers allow you to charge up to $2500 of your purchase to a CC ;)

[Prof]

wow thats alot of money. But for that to happen, do we need to use the cc to buy the car? or just buy the car with whatever method and send it the rebate form?

No, you just need to spend a boat load of money on house renos, family vacations, grocercies over a 3 or 4 year period. It's a reward card (Platinum Driver's Edge) that places money into an account equivalent to 2% of your purchases. Check this thread (http://www.redflagdeals.com/deals/main.php/articles/credit3/).

[angel_wing0]

No, you just need to spend a boat load of money on house renos, family vacations, grocercies over a 3 or 4 year period. It's a reward card (Platinum Driver's Edge) that places money into an account equivalent to 2% of your purchases. Check this thread (http://www.redflagdeals.com/deals/main.php/articles/credit3/).

so basically what u mean is, instead of getting a yearly cash rebate with the cash rebate cards, u end up getting a cash rebate when u buy a car...

[Prof]

so basically what u mean is, instead of getting a yearly cash rebate with the cash rebate cards, u end up getting a cash rebate when u buy a car...

Exactly. The difference that makes this card a relatively good product is that you get the full 2% deposited. The rebate is not incremental such as the AE Costco card. Plus, the gold and platinum cards are no fee and offer all the features of premium cards.

[shaker]

Hey Guys

I just purchased a motorbike from down south and will be picking it up on Saturday.

Where can I get the best exchange rate?

[Marzipan]

Hey Guys

I just purchased a motorbike from down south and will be picking it up on Saturday.

Where can I get the best exchange rate?

Vancouver Bullion & Currency Exchange (http://www.vbce.info/)

[alpaak]

Try a foreign exchange booth such as Currencies International. Some of them charge a flat rate rather than a percentage. A friend exchanged some currency about a week ago before heading south & was charged $2.50 CAD flat. Much better than rip-off banks. Also, I think that the booths' exchange rates are somewhat better.

[jmlleung]

Has anyone got experience importing a 2002 Honda S2000? My friend is importing it from Texas. He would like to know if any modifications are needed, such as bumper, Daytime Running Time, etc. Thanks.

[DSTU]

Has anyone got experience importing a 2002 Honda S2000? My friend is importing it from Texas. He would like to know if any modifications are needed, such as bumper, Daytime Running Time, etc. Thanks.

SEARCH!!

[inspire]

Has anyone got experience importing a 2002 Honda S2000? My friend is importing it from Texas. He would like to know if any modifications are needed, such as bumper, Daytime Running Time, etc. Thanks.
Tell your friend he is a lazy ass. Secondly, there are dedicated websites that discuss this in great detail. For the S2k (aka "S2000" to newbies), s2ki.com is the best site for such information about the S2000.

Here's the link for your Internet-challenged friend:

http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=521204

[derslade]

Canada's national newspaper continues to blow smoke in its reporting of buying US American cars. In an article in today's online paper at http://www.globeauto.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080204.wh-crossborder-0204/BNStory/specialGlobeAuto/home/ reporter or should I say Canadian automobile dealer/manufacturer shill, ROMINA MAURINO, writes

Canadian consumers might see slight savings and more options if they buy a used car imported from the U.S.

If the Globe won't report the real story, then I encourage fellow RFDers to post comments on this and similar disingenuous Globe stories.

[GoogleFish]

Tell your friend he is a lazy ass. Secondly, there are dedicated websites that discuss this in great detail. For the S2k (aka "S2000" to newbies), s2ki.com is the best site for such information about the S2000.

Here's the link for your Internet-challenged friend:

http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=521204

Good forum! Thanks for the link. Incidentally, I found this thread regarding Honda Warranty:

Credit to nzouk77

I have been hearing mixed things about whether a Honda S2000 warranty will be valid in Canada or the US if imported to Canada.

Well... just got off the phone with both Honda America and Honda Canada. Warranty is not valid in Canada but valid in the USA.

I guess that answers that... good to know that we can drop the car off just across the boarder for warranty work if an issue comes up!

Seems to be another story regarding Honda's warranty of imported cars into Canada.

[HacheyImports]

I would warn you that counting on Honda to provide warranty coverage in the US for imported vehicles is uncertain at best. I have spoken over and over with customer support, and believe me, they rehash the corporate line that it will not, repeat not, be honoured. I am sure that some here and on other forums will cite examples of folks having work done in the US on imported cars, but it is a grey area at best and I would not depend on it when deciding what vehicle to buy.

Take care.

[angel_wing0]

Well, after reading this thread for 6 mo. now and waiting for the immobilizer issue to right itself, I've bought a 2007 Prius. I'd have loved to have bought new but didn't want to have to book a flight to VA or NC and had a 1-2 day drive back to get the damn thing.

I want to extol the virtues of [edited since they could get in trouble from what I gather - PM me if you're a veteran and interested]. They have a professional staff, I've found all of my interactions with them pleasant. They were even willing to knock off a chunk off the price we'd haggled because they couldn't sell me a 'toyota certified vehicle' since it was for export. I believe they know where their bread is getting buttered these days since they have a 'Canadian export specialist' on staff (and they push sales to Canadians on their site). All deals start with sales reps but finalize with [edited - we'll call him 'Bob']. He has filled out all of my paperwork for me and will fax everything to the border for me. All I needed to do was to give him my insurance and baking info and he called me to let me know the details of what and when. Sounds a lot like people's experience with Xan and the Subies.

Great job all and keep up your work, who needs Canadian dealerships when nice Americans are willing to work their best to satisfy our consumer demands.

I EMAILED them and theyddi not give me a response, guess i will have to call :p

[angel_wing0]

Canada's national newspaper continues to blow smoke in its reporting of buying US American cars. In an article in today's online paper at http://www.globeauto.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080204.wh-crossborder-0204/BNStory/specialGlobeAuto/home/ reporter or should I say Canadian automobile dealer/manufacturer shill, ROMINA MAURINO, writes

Canadian consumers might see slight savings and more options if they buy a used car imported from the U.S.

If the Globe won't report the real story, then I encourage fellow RFDers to post comments on this and similar disingenuous Globe stories.


talk about "LIES"...slight savings MY ASS.

[michelb]

I would warn you that counting on Honda to provide warranty coverage in the US for imported vehicles is uncertain at best. I have spoken over and over with customer support, and believe me, they rehash the corporate line that it will not, repeat not, be honoured. I am sure that some here and on other forums will cite examples of folks having work done in the US on imported cars, but it is a grey area at best and I would not depend on it when deciding what vehicle to buy.

Take care.

I would have to agree with this; if you read the terms of the warranty, it states that the warranty becomes void if the vehicle is not registered in the US.

[Matty]

Canada's national newspaper continues to blow smoke in its reporting of buying US American cars. In an article in today's online paper at http://www.globeauto.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080204.wh-crossborder-0204/BNStory/specialGlobeAuto/home/ reporter or should I say Canadian automobile dealer/manufacturer shill, ROMINA MAURINO, writes

Canadian consumers might see slight savings and more options if they buy a used car imported from the U.S.

If the Globe won't report the real story, then I encourage fellow RFDers to post comments on this and similar disingenuous Globe stories.

Just posted my angry reply after her article. Thanks for the tip derslade!!
C'mon, you guys, go post! So far only NEGATIVE comments have been posted, let's keep it that way.

[DSTU]

Good forum! Thanks for the link. Incidentally, I found this thread regarding Honda Warranty:

Credit to nzouk77

I have been hearing mixed things about whether a Honda S2000 warranty will be valid in Canada or the US if imported to Canada.

Well... just got off the phone with both Honda America and Honda Canada. Warranty is not valid in Canada but valid in the USA.

I guess that answers that... good to know that we can drop the car off just across the boarder for warranty work if an issue comes up!

Seems to be another story regarding Honda's warranty of imported cars into Canada.

Honda warranty is NOT valid anywhere if its imported to Canada.

Doesn't matter if its a 2002 - no warranty is left.

Safety recalls will be covered.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Just posted my comments on the Globe and Mail website.

http://www.globeauto.com/servlet/sto...lobeAuto/home/

It's actually listed there as:

Gerry Jones from Toronto, Canada writes: I started the thread at www.Redflagdeals.com after stumbling on a Globe & Mail article in June 2006 outlining that (at the time) vehicles in the US were on average 17% cheaper. That's when the dollar was at .85 US. That thread exploded into almost 1.5 million reads and 12,000 posts of consumers who actually bought vehicles in the US. Now that the dollar is averaging par, the savings are tremendous. I personally saved over $18,000 buying a Subaru in the US when the dollar was at .90. The Canadian consumer is being mislead by automotive mouthpieces who are experts at wordsmithing and presenting "grey" facts like this article. They claim the prices in Canada have gone down. They don't mention the fact that they've been relishing gouging the consumer for the past years. The dollar's rise was sheer gravy used to pad their coffers. Over 30,000 new and used vehicles were imported into Canada in December. That number is significant enough to warrant consistent "buy Canadian" advertising by the Canadian automotive sector. A good many of those vehicles were imported by CANADIAN DEALERS who flip them in Canada to the unsuspecting public. They claim that's acceptable since the car is technically used. I'm not opposed to supporting a smaller market (by paying a markup on PDI for example) but a $20,000 markup on a $25,000 US vehicle is criminal. We shouldn't lose sight of the fact that the Canadian automotive sector chose not to compete but rather to block free trade which is contrary to the NAFTA agreement and now subject to a $2 Billion dollar lawsuit. Remember Toyota was charged in violating the US Sherman Act and settled quietly out of court for $35 million dollars (www.naata.org) Journalists should present all the facts and let the public decide. This article is unevenly slanted. A follow-up article is warranted outlining how many successful private importers there actually are. I am one of them!

[thejay]

Looking for a reputible shipper to transport a car from Beverly Hills California to Lynden Washington where I will pick up the car to import. Anyone have any positive experiences with shippers they would like to share pls PM me. Thanks to ALL RFD's you all keep us with more $$$ in our pockets (unless you buy things just bc it's a great deal) :cheesygri

[faston]

Great response Monsieurmaggot. Ironically, that comment may get the issue more exposure than this thread.

[Monsieurmaggot]

...and more plugs for RFDs.

I'm just hoping to win the "most popular thread for 2008" since that award was stolen from me last year. <grin>

[bulgurc]

Looking for a reputible shipper to transport a car from Beverly Hills California to Lynden Washington where I will pick up the car to import. Anyone have any positive experiences with shippers they would like to share pls PM me. Thanks to ALL RFD's you all keep us with more $$$ in our pockets (unless you buy things just bc it's a great deal) :cheesygri

Make up your own mind from here:
http://www.transportreviews.com/

[southpaw4golf]

Shipping companies

Try Red Carpet, I used them to ship my Z4 from Dallas to Sweetgrass MT
wouldn't hesitate using them again.

Red Carpet Auto Transport, Inc.

http://www.transportreviews.com/company/red-carpet-auto-transport-inc.asp

[bulgurc]

I wonder how strict US customs on the exact 72 hours? In other words, if MSO is faxed today at 4:20pm, will they let me go through at lunch Friday. I will be crossing at Buffalo. Any experiences, comments?

[Cars4Canadians]

Just posted my comments on the Globe and Mail website.

http://www.globeauto.com/servlet/sto...lobeAuto/home/
!

That scum bag of a write in the globeauto really pissed me off, wow, what a brain dead idiot.

[rgc97]

I tried to get thru 24 hrs early last year. Had to wait a day. It was a holiday weekend, and she let me thru 35 minutes early, as she wanted to get away exactly at 4pm.

Suggest you try, but be prepared to wait. The difficulty is that they close at 4pm Friday and reopen 8am Monday.

Good Luck! Keep your fingers crossed.

I wonder how strict US customs on the exact 72 hours? In other words, if MSO is faxed today at 4:20pm, will they let me go through at lunch Friday. I will be crossing at Buffalo. Any experiences, comments?

[03terminator]

There is a lawyer in BC looking for BC victims of the BMW "recall letter and modification ripoff" to start a class action.

http://www.carswithoutborders.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=29

[savvygal]

I wonder how strict US customs on the exact 72 hours? In other words, if MSO is faxed today at 4:20pm, will they let me go through at lunch Friday. I will be crossing at Buffalo. Any experiences, comments?

You can only cross at Lewiston for exporting/importing vehicles. We were reminded of this by the US border agent when we crossed over to pick up our vehicle. We already knew that since we had called ahead to Lewiston to make sure our paper work was ready to go. As it turned out, we ended up arriving at the border past the opening hours since we unwittingly picked the day of the worst blizzard in 10 years to go. The thruway was closed due to a 30 car pileup, and what should have been an easy 1&1/2 hr drive from Rochester, took us almost 4 hours :twisted: If you get stranded, and live close enough to the border to go home, don't leave your car at the US export building, it will get towed. We parked it at the nearby hospital parking lot (for free) and have heard of others parking it at the casino.

[elmst200]

The G&M article link can't be opened. It seems the newspaper has retracted the article from their website.

Just posted my comments on the Globe and Mail website.

http://www.globeauto.com/servlet/sto...lobeAuto/home/

[mangoman]

The G&M article link can't be opened. It seems the newspaper has retracted the article from their website.

... maybe they're trying to prevent us all from finding it too easily and commenting! :cheesygri

http://www.globeauto.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080204.wh-crossborder-0204/GAStory/specialGlobeAuto/home

[elmst200]

I can open the link this time, but the article is not allowed for commenting.

... maybe they're trying to prevent us all from finding it too easily and commenting! :cheesygri

http://www.globeauto.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080204.wh-crossborder-0204/GAStory/specialGlobeAuto/home

[p110232]

I can open the link this time, but the article is not allowed for commenting.

Commenting is still allowed, however this time they want people to register. Here's the blurbage at the bottom after I clicked "Join the conversation". It also says the article is in semi-moderated mode right now. Could this mean they are seriously considering a follow-up article... to redeem themselves?...

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[jrvic]

You can only cross at Lewiston for exporting/importing vehicles. We were reminded of this by the US border agent when we crossed over to pick up our vehicle. We already knew that since we had called ahead to Lewiston to make sure our paper work was ready to go. As it turned out, we ended up arriving at the border past the opening hours since we unwittingly picked the day of the worst blizzard in 10 years to go. The thruway was closed due to a 30 car pileup, and what should have been an easy 1&1/2 hr drive from Rochester, took us almost 4 hours :twisted: If you get stranded, and live close enough to the border to go home, don't leave your car at the US export building, it will get towed. We parked it at the nearby hospital parking lot (for free) and have heard of others parking it at the casino.

Don't sweat it if you for some reason missed the opening hours of US export offices.
I think this has been discussed before; you DON'T need the US export stamp on the MCO in order to start the import process on the Canadian side. I just did this myself a couple weeks ago. Do the import thing at CBSA, and then if you really wanted to comply with the US export law, I believe you could just go back there when the border is open for business and get the import stamp, before registering your car in Canada.

[whampoa]

I recently have an epiphany, I see the light.

Like most of you, I was shy, ambivalent and intimidated by the automaker. I was steer away from my choice of vehicle, to one that was more Canadian friendly.

From now on, I will not stand quietly and let the like of Toyota, BMW or whoever roll us over.

I will fight tooth and nail to the day I wither away.

I will not back away, if I want a Bemer, by god that's what I will get. No amount of collusion, roadblocks and shananigan will stand in my way.

I will call an write to my MPP and MP, the press and anyone who will listen.

If any automakers find it too challenging to compete against our neighbour from the south. I say, if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

[mangoman]

Commenting is still allowed, however this time they want people to register. Here's the blurbage at the bottom after I clicked "Join the conversation". It also says the article is in semi-moderated mode right now. Could this mean they are seriously considering a follow-up article... to redeem themselves?...

http://finance.sympatico.msn.ca/investing/insight/article.aspx?cp-documentid=6160081


Seems Bell/Globemedia are pushing this misinformation wherever they can! I think we should comment here as well!

:twisted:

[niceguy1234]

I tried to get thru 24 hrs early last year. Had to wait a day. It was a holiday weekend, and she let me thru 35 minutes early, as she wanted to get away exactly at 4pm.

Suggest you try, but be prepared to wait. The difficulty is that they close at 4pm Friday and reopen 8am Monday.

Good Luck! Keep your fingers crossed.

You may call the US custom office that you are planning to cross. Each office has diff rule. I crossed with Lynden in WA/BC boarder. I called after the dealer fax them the document. The custom officer told me that I could cross any time I want as long as I can show them the car is fully paid, and there is no need to wait for 72 hrs.

[PrimeBane]

Perhaps a silly question, but how long does the US border crossing keep you on the list after the 72 hours? Has anyone really pushed the limit (ie a week later or more). I assume at some point they guess you're not coming and remove you from the list...

[starR]

BMW Canada are a bunch of F***ERS!

I just called a GTA BMW dealer to get the info on bringing in a 07 335i
$350 + tax for admissibility letter
$500 + tax for recall clearance
$1800 for Canadian cluster + tax (approx. cost) WTF??

I questioned why the cluster change and the guy really had no repsonse. I also mentioned that USA BMW's have dual readings already. He admitted himself that with I-Drive you can enable the DRL's, but kept insisting that the 'Canadian Government' telling BMW do this.

When i put it back on him and said that RIV told me that BMW is calling the shots, he went silent and said he's not sure.

As much as i would have hated to, i would have considered paying the $850 to bring a BMW here because the savings far outweight the cost, but adding the $1800 for the cluster is just down right dirty. Even with the cluster cost the US BMW is still much cheaper - but on principle alone i would never give in. Until this injustice is reversed, I will never look at a BMW again.

So officially the hell with BMW.
BMW - The Ultimate Gouging Company!

There is a lawyer in BC looking for BC victims of the BMW "recall letter and modification ripoff" to start a class action.

http://www.carswithoutborders.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=29

[killbillvol1]

You may call the US custom office that you are planning to cross. Each office has diff rule. I crossed with Lynden in WA/BC boarder. I called after the dealer fax them the document. The custom officer told me that I could cross any time I want as long as I can show them the car is fully paid, and there is no need to wait for 72 hrs.

Just to clarify, was that US border services or Canadian customs?

Thanks.

[james-007]

Just to clarify, was that US border services or Canadian customs?

Thanks.

Of course it was the US side... Canadian Border Services don't care when you bring the vehicle across as long as they are open.

[niceguy1234]

Just to clarify, was that US border services or Canadian customs?

Thanks.

The boarder is Lynden (in WA) / Aldergrove (in BC). US customer office is Phone: (360) 354-2183
Fax: (360) 354-2706

Both US custom and CAD custom provide import & export auto service. You don't need phone number for CAD side. Just make just you cross within their working hour.

[zenon]

Don't sweat it if you for some reason missed the opening hours of US export offices.
I think this has been discussed before; you DON'T need the US export stamp on the MCO in order to start the import process on the Canadian side. I just did this myself a couple weeks ago. Do the import thing at CBSA, and then if you really wanted to comply with the US export law, I believe you could just go back there when the border is open for business and get the import stamp, before registering your car in Canada.

Could you go back and get it after you have registered the car in Canada?

[Trexim]

Could you go back and get it after you have registered the car in Canada?

For new cars, they requires the original MSO to be present at the time of export. In Ontario, the MTO keeps the MSO when the car is registered.

[niceguy1234]

I just call local Toyota dealer to find out how to service my newly imported Camry SE V6. They told me that just bring in my car and the ICBC insurance paper, so they can set me up and service my car. Sounds no hassle.

I also purchase the ECP (extra care plan) 7 year / 100000 mile at 0 deductable for US$880. The dealer, I bought my car, offer me $1600. I then ask quote from some other authorized Toyota dealers. Got one from MA, who can give it to me for $880. I think it is resonable for 7 years peace of mind.

[Cars4Canadians]

BMW Canada are a bunch of F***ERS!

I just called a GTA BMW dealer to get the info on bringing in a 07 335i
$350 + tax for admissibility letter
$500 + tax for recall clearance
$1800 for Canadian cluster + tax (approx. cost) WTF??

I questioned why the cluster change and the guy really had no repsonse. I also mentioned that USA BMW's have dual readings already. He admitted himself that with I-Drive you can enable the DRL's, but kept insisting that the 'Canadian Government' telling BMW do this.

When i put it back on him and said that RIV told me that BMW is calling the shots, he went silent and said he's not sure.

As much as i would have hated to, i would have considered paying the $850 to bring a BMW here because the savings far outweight the cost, but adding the $1800 for the cluster is just down right dirty. Even with the cluster cost the US BMW is still much cheaper - but on principle alone i would never give in. Until this injustice is reversed, I will never look at a BMW again.

So officially the hell with BMW.
BMW - The Ultimate Gouging Company!

That is just sad, stupid BMW bitting the hand that feeds it, one day they will feel the cruch, when more of the blind that lease from them stop doing so.

[DSTU]

BMW Canada are a bunch of F***ERS!

I just called a GTA BMW dealer to get the info on bringing in a 07 335i
$350 + tax for admissibility letter
$500 + tax for recall clearance
$1800 for Canadian cluster + tax (approx. cost) WTF??

I questioned why the cluster change and the guy really had no repsonse. I also mentioned that USA BMW's have dual readings already. He admitted himself that with I-Drive you can enable the DRL's, but kept insisting that the 'Canadian Government' telling BMW do this.

When i put it back on him and said that RIV told me that BMW is calling the shots, he went silent and said he's not sure.

As much as i would have hated to, i would have considered paying the $850 to bring a BMW here because the savings far outweight the cost, but adding the $1800 for the cluster is just down right dirty. Even with the cluster cost the US BMW is still much cheaper - but on principle alone i would never give in. Until this injustice is reversed, I will never look at a BMW again.

So officially the hell with BMW.
BMW - The Ultimate Gouging Company!

Call Transport Canada 1-800-333-0371

Susan Zimmerman(TC) 613-998-1980

Lawrence Cannon 613-991-0070

[Monsieurmaggot]

http://finance.sympatico.msn.ca/investing/insight/article.aspx?cp-documentid=6160081


Seems Bell/Globemedia are pushing this misinformation wherever they can! I think we should comment here as well!

:twisted:

Uh I don't think so, it was Globemedia who aired my story NATIONALLY on CTV National news, NewsNet and on CFTO in Toronto when the others simply gave me the courteous PFO.

[mikew77]

Perhaps a silly question, but how long does the US border crossing keep you on the list after the 72 hours? Has anyone really pushed the limit (ie a week later or more). I assume at some point they guess you're not coming and remove you from the list...

US customs office will keep your file for 90 days. After that, you will have to send all requirement document again.

Mike

[mangoman]

Uh I don't think so, it was Globemedia who aired my story NATIONALLY on CTV National news, NewsNet and on CFTO in Toronto when the others simply gave me the courteous PFO.

While that's true and we're all glad that they did air it, unfortunately the Globe and Mail/Globemedia/CTV are all one and the same media entity (that's why they have access to the same articles) and they are now publishing these inaccurate articles (whereas in the very recent past they actually had accurate information on this topic). Just because they do good one day and poorly the next doesn't mean we should relieve the pressure/silence the truth?

:confused:

[mikew77]

Could you go back and get it after you have registered the car in Canada?

I will not suggest you doing so even if you could get the title(MCO) back after registering in Canada. You could have a big trouble at US CBP. If you don't do the export processing at USA customs, by law the car is still a US car whatever it is new or old. That is to say, USA CBP could considder the car is illegally brought(stolen) abroad and they have the power to seize your vehicle any time when you drive the vehicle into USA.
Don't take that risk unless you will never drive the vehicle back into USA.
The US CBP 72 hours holding time and 8-4 operation time are really pain but we don't have any choice. All I can suggest is that spending a little bit time to make your plan to meet their requirement.

[dotcalamitie]

Was in Florida last week...BMW USA is having a lease promo on their 2008 7 series...

$959 US/month for 36 months with $3,500 down payment

In Canada... $1667 CDN per month for 36 months with $3,500 down.

So I did some calculations....

in the US, you can get a 2008 5 series for... $549 US/month/36/$2,500 down.

So an American can lease a 7 series and 5 series for less than a Canadian can lease a 7 series. Oh, and when BMW Canada says but we offer more...no they don't. BMW US upped the anti and are now providing the same 4 year maintenance don't pay a penny deal too.

[PrimeBane]

US customs office will keep your file for 90 days. After that, you will have to send all requirement document again.

Mike

Thanks Mike :)

[PrimeBane]

When paying GST, etc at the border, they accept credit cards right?

[michelb]

Was in Florida last week...BMW USA is having a lease promo on their 2008 7 series...

$959 US/month for 36 months with $3,500 down payment

In Canada... $1667 CDN per month for 36 months with $3,500 down.

So I did some calculations....

in the US, you can get a 2008 5 series for... $549 US/month/36/$2,500 down.

So an American can lease a 7 series and 5 series for less than a Canadian can lease a 7 series. Oh, and when BMW Canada says but we offer more...no they don't. BMW US upped the anti and are now providing the same 4 year maintenance don't pay a penny deal too.

That's actually a really good price - Tampa, FL dealerships appear to be a fair bit more (although still tons cheaper than Canada).

In Tampa a 750i is $959/month for 36 month after $5450 down but it's also only for 10k miles /year (16k km) - the 528i is $549/month for 36 months after $3600 down (also 10k miles/year).


A quick search around Miami shows that prices are better there; you can get a 750i for $889/month with $4800 down for 24 month lease (ad doesn't say how much mileage) (this would actually be closer to $2000/month from BMW.ca)

[michelb]

US customs office will keep your file for 90 days. After that, you will have to send all requirement document again.

Mike

I wonder what they do at US customs office (like many bordering Eastern ON and Western QC) where the require you the send the actual documents - it's not as if they can just dispose of your original title after 90 days ...

For the original poster, I crossed about 10 days after I faxed them the paperwork and it wasn't a problem (although it took them a long time to find it (even though I had called 1 or 2 days before to confirm that they had it)). I believe at the time I had actually asked them and was told that as long as they get it at least 72hrs before, they don't care when I come ...

[stephenstay]

When paying GST, etc at the border, they accept credit cards right?

Yes, you can. You want to ensure that you have lots of limit left depending on the value of your vehicle. I called VISA and told them to expect a fairly large charge from CBSA and they made note on my file.

[beatdownvictim]

anyone here have any luck importing a new lexus to vancouver?

or hell better yet finding a dealer that will sell

[p110232]

Was in Florida last week...BMW USA is having a lease promo on their 2008 7 series...

$959 US/month for 36 months with $3,500 down payment

In Canada... $1667 CDN per month for 36 months with $3,500 down.

So I did some calculations....

in the US, you can get a 2008 5 series for... $549 US/month/36/$2,500 down.

So an American can lease a 7 series and 5 series for less than a Canadian can lease a 7 series. Oh, and when BMW Canada says but we offer more...no they don't. BMW US upped the anti and are now providing the same 4 year maintenance don't pay a penny deal too.

That is so unfair! :cry:

If only all those who plan to buy new vehicles (esp BMWs) in Canada hold off their purchase for a year or two, maybe, just maybe, we'll see some changes. The supposedly "best sales ever" claimed by BMW and other brands are simply helping them justify that their pricing is correct, because people are still buying their cars lot hotcakes!

In my opinion, one way to silently lobby the government to change RIV rules in favor of Canadians is if we all stop spending on cars sold in Canada. We hit the government where it hurts:
- GST / PST (and other auto fees) from car sales go down
- Corporate income taxes from auto manufacturers and dealers go down
- personal income taxes of those affected industries go down
- EI claims go up
- consumer spending goes down (a bit), affecting GDP

Taken all together, that's a substantial reduction from the budget and will trigger the gov't to make monetary and fiscal policies to boost confidence.

my 2 cents...

[DSTU]

When paying GST, etc at the border, they accept credit cards right?

CASH Only.

You can also pay in Tim Bits and Coffee.

[DSTU]

That's actually a really good price - Tampa, FL dealerships appear to be a fair bit more (although still tons cheaper than Canada).

In Tampa a 750i is $959/month for 36 month after $5450 down but it's also only for 10k miles /year (16k km) - the 528i is $549/month for 36 months after $3600 down (also 10k miles/year).


A quick search around Miami shows that prices are better there; you can get a 750i for $889/month with $4800 down for 24 month lease (ad doesn't say how much mileage) (this would actually be closer to $2000/month from BMW.ca)

The President of BMW Canada stated in his G&M interview that they sell more BMW's in Florida than in all of Canada - that is why the prices are so cheap.

So buy in Florida :razz:

[wackojacko]

I paid GST and air tax with credit card at Queenston/Lewiston, so no it is NOT CASH ONLY-depends on the crossing.

CASH Only.

You can also pay in Tim Bits and Coffee.

[DSTU]

I paid GST and air tax with credit card at Queenston/Lewiston, so no it is NOT CASH ONLY-depends on the crossing.

I was being sarcastic - this has been stated many times in this thread - so SEARCH!!!!!!!

[Dano76]

When paying GST, etc at the border, they accept credit cards right?

CASH Only.

You can also pay in Tim Bits and Coffee.

LOL! Sorry, useless post, but I had to... best laugh I've had all week.

[michelb]

The President of BMW Canada stated in his G&M interview that they sell more BMW's in Florida than in all of Canada - that is why the prices are so cheap.

So buy in Florida :razz:

It's interesting that on the 24 month lease (although the true price depends on the mileage too so you have to factor that is as well) you would be saving over $1000/month ... So for the same amount of money as leasing in Canada, you could lease the car in Florida AND rent a condo or something just to keep it registered there !!! (for $1000/month, you won't get a beachfront mansion but you'd still get something very nice on a yearly lease).

[Bailey4427]

When paying GST, etc at the border, they accept credit cards right?

VISA, M/C, AMEX

[jrvic]

I will not suggest you doing so even if you could get the title(MCO) back after registering in Canada. You could have a big trouble at US CBP. If you don't do the export processing at USA customs, by law the car is still a US car whatever it is new or old. That is to say, USA CBP could considder the car is illegally brought(stolen) abroad and they have the power to seize your vehicle any time when you drive the vehicle into USA.
Don't take that risk unless you will never drive the vehicle back into USA.
The US CBP 72 hours holding time and 8-4 operation time are really pain but we don't have any choice. All I can suggest is that spending a little bit time to make your plan to meet their requirement.

That's a lot of fear mongering, but the point is not to sweat it if you missed export office business hours. It's much better driving back to the border to get the export stamp than leaving your brand new car in some parking lot in the USA.

[NerV]

The President of BMW Canada stated in his G&M interview that they sell more BMW's in Florida than in all of Canada - that is why the prices are so cheap.

So buy in Florida :razz:

I wonder why....:?:

P.S. Bingo!!! :!: :!: :!: Because BMW is cheaper there and people are reacher.

[zenon]

That's a lot of fear mongering, but the point is not to sweat it if you missed export office business hours. It's much better driving back to the border to get the export stamp than leaving your brand new car in some parking lot in the USA.


This happened to me. I didn't fax ahead by 72 hours so I just skipped that part. CBSA gave me no problems entering. This was at the Lewiston border. I live in Ottawa. I would like to go back to get the stamp at a border crossing near Ottawa but don't want to risk having my car seized or anything like that. Another thing is all the crossings near Ottawa require the original Title, and wont accept a fax. Im a bit hesitant to send the original.

[NerV]

Hey guys! Sry if I duplicate the question, but what if I buy a car from the states from a person, not dealership. Is the warranty transferable? I understand it depends on the car, but let's say it's Toyota/Lexus.

[dotcalamitie]

my toyota prius 2007 is warranted here in canada for 3 years

[NerV]

my toyota prius 2007 is warranted here in canada for 3 years

Did you buy it from a deal or private advertising?

[michelb]

This happened to me. I didn't fax ahead by 72 hours so I just skipped that part. CBSA gave me no problems entering. This was at the Lewiston border. I live in Ottawa. I would like to go back to get the stamp at a border crossing near Ottawa but don't want to risk having my car seized or anything like that. Another thing is all the crossings near Ottawa require the original Title, and wont accept a fax. Im a bit hesitant to send the original.

I suspect that it's very unlikely that anything will ever happen if you don't export but US border has pretty much absolute power when you go through so if you ever try to cross and they decide to search your car and then decide to run the VIN and notice that you never exported it, they could certainly give you a lot of trouble.

That being said, if you sent them the document and entered the US specifically to export the vehicle, I imagine they'd be fine (they might give you hell about not following proper procedure but that's about it). However do you still have the original? I don't remember but I don't think we received the original back when I imported a vehicle earlier this year (I think Ontario's Ministry of Transport might have keep it) so at this point, you might be too late ...

The bigger problem with not exporting (especially serious if you don't have the original US title anymore) is that technically, the vehicle still has legal registration in the US so there's nothing that would prevent the previous owner from claiming the registration was lost to get a new one and then claiming that the vehicle has been stolen ...

[afeld]

have activated carfax account. PM the vin

[niceguy1234]

Hey guys! Sry if I duplicate the question, but what if I buy a car from the states from a person, not dealership. Is the warranty transferable? I understand it depends on the car, but let's say it's Toyota/Lexus.

If the car still have warranty left, no matter you buy from private or dealer, and no matter how many hands it has been changed, no matter it is from US or Canada, the warranty is completely transferable. I had called toyota canada to confirm this.

[newid07]

Do that, and go to the small claim court to get your money back... I think this can be done!!!:twisted:

BMW Canada are a bunch of F***ERS!

I just called a GTA BMW dealer to get the info on bringing in a 07 335i
$350 + tax for admissibility letter
$500 + tax for recall clearance
$1800 for Canadian cluster + tax (approx. cost) WTF??

I questioned why the cluster change and the guy really had no repsonse. I also mentioned that USA BMW's have dual readings already. He admitted himself that with I-Drive you can enable the DRL's, but kept insisting that the 'Canadian Government' telling BMW do this.

When i put it back on him and said that RIV told me that BMW is calling the shots, he went silent and said he's not sure.

As much as i would have hated to, i would have considered paying the $850 to bring a BMW here because the savings far outweight the cost, but adding the $1800 for the cluster is just down right dirty. Even with the cluster cost the US BMW is still much cheaper - but on principle alone i would never give in. Until this injustice is reversed, I will never look at a BMW again.

So officially the hell with BMW.
BMW - The Ultimate Gouging Company!

[GregGH]

Hi

I come back to this huge thread from time to time to see what is happening

One point --this thread was started way back ...by Monsieurmaggot. He also has a Wiki --www.carburner.com where almost all your questions can be answered ... and after you buy the car -- being that it is a wiki -- you can add any missing or updated pieces of info --so question ... why don't more of you use it ??

I got two cars and have added my updates -- I pass the job on to you guys now

Greg
2006 LS430 Ultra
2006 C6 Vert ( both happy to be in Canada now )

[jnmontario]

my toyota prius 2007 is warranted here in canada for 3 years

I was told I could not get a Toyota Certified Used vehicle when I bought my 2007 Prius. I'll examine this more when I get back and call up Toyota Canada. US dealer was reluctant to sell me extended warranty on the vehicle.

[mikew77]

I wonder what they do at US customs office (like many bordering Eastern ON and Western QC) where the require you the send the actual documents - it's not as if they can just dispose of your original title after 90 days ...

For the original poster, I crossed about 10 days after I faxed them the paperwork and it wasn't a problem (although it took them a long time to find it (even though I had called 1 or 2 days before to confirm that they had it)). I believe at the time I had actually asked them and was told that as long as they get it at least 72hrs before, they don't care when I come ...

You don't want to leave your original document there for 90 days, do you? If you do, I have no idea how US CBP will do with it. But I believe they will not keep your document forever.
This 90 day limit is specially for FAX file case. It is said that during this peroid you will be able to cross the board either they can find your file or you show them the evident of your sending(FAX report), in any case 72 hours holding applied.
After 90 days, US CBP officer won't spend any single second to find you file or listen to your explain how you sent it.

[HighFlyer]

After 90 days, US CBP officer won't spend any single second to find you file or listen to your explain how you sent it.
haha, I can just picture the blonde CBP officer at Lewiston handling this one ;) :cheesygri

[mikew77]

When paying GST, etc at the border, they accept credit cards right?

Credit card is most welcome at CBSA. Personal cheque is acceptable but needs time to clear. Nobody pays cash as I knew since there is no good reason to bring that many cash to cross over border.

[t_garp]

BMW Canada are a bunch of F***ERS!

I just called a GTA BMW dealer to get the info on bringing in a 07 335i
$350 + tax for admissibility letter
$500 + tax for recall clearance
$1800 for Canadian cluster + tax (approx. cost) WTF??

I questioned why the cluster change and the guy really had no repsonse. I also mentioned that USA BMW's have dual readings already. He admitted himself that with I-Drive you can enable the DRL's, but kept insisting that the 'Canadian Government' telling BMW do this.

When i put it back on him and said that RIV told me that BMW is calling the shots, he went silent and said he's not sure.

As much as i would have hated to, i would have consnidered paying the $850 to bring a BMW here because the savings far outweight the cost, but adding the $1800 for the cluster is just down right dirty. Even with the cluster cost the US BMW is still much cheaper - but on principle alone i would never give in. Until this injustice is reversed, I will never look at a BMW again.

So officially the hell with BMW.
BMW - The Ultimate Gouging Company!

Same here...

I originally looked at getting a BMW and based on their bad approach to customers, I ended up getting an Infiniti FX35.

Full warrranty, no hassles. painless... Oh, and did I mention the $15-20k savings?

Screw BMW until they change their attitude. If the before sales experience is like this, imagine how they will treat you if you have a problem

[michelb]

I was told I could not get a Toyota Certified Used vehicle when I bought my 2007 Prius. I'll examine this more when I get back and call up Toyota Canada. US dealer was reluctant to sell me extended warranty on the vehicle.

I was told by Toyota USA that the extra coverage provided for "Toyota Certified Used Vehicles" in the US was not valid in Canada but the original Toyota USA warranty and the Toyota USA 'Vehicle Protection Plan' (extended warranty) are valid (although you have to be careful with the VPP as it can only be transfered once)
(more info on different plans here http://www.toyotafinancial.com/consumer/tfs.portal;jsessionid=rK24HrpXJc3g8MV87sML9C1TfFGF rGhhK1p2fm3qMGh8nPQBxLbR!-1890834393!2126028129?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=pg_TCUVProtectionPlan)

[michelb]

If the car still have warranty left, no matter you buy from private or dealer, and no matter how many hands it has been changed, no matter it is from US or Canada, the warranty is completely transferable. I had called toyota canada to confirm this.

This is true for the original manufacturers warranty but not necessarily for other Toyota warranties; Toyota USA extended warranty is only transferable once and extra warranty on Toyota Certified Used Vehicles is not valid in Canada.

[mikew77]

That's a lot of fear mongering, but the point is not to sweat it if you missed export office business hours. It's much better driving back to the border to get the export stamp than leaving your brand new car in some parking lot in the USA.

It is a complicated situation. Theoretically or legally, US CBP wants at least 72hours to check and clear the vehicle to be explorted. During that peroid, it is not legal to bring the vehicle outside the country.
But there may be a way to fix it if someone misses the exportation step by accident. For example, one can explain to them that he passover their office carelessly.? If they accept your explain they may start to check the vehicle again and ask you leave the vehicle in usa for another 72 hours for clearance.
I think it should be ok to find a safe parking place such as a storage home etc.
The issue is that you may have to tell US CBP officer the story at the time you re-enter us border. With a temporary plate or without any plate, the vehicle is more visible than normal. They may consider you are going to import a car.
I would like to call them first to evaluate the risk before driving back to have them stamp the title.

Good luck.

[michelb]

It is a complicated situation. Theoretically or legally, US CBP wants at least 72hours to check and clear the vehicle to be explorted. During that peroid, it is not legal to bring the vehicle outside the country.
But there may be a way to fix it if someone misses the exportation step by accident. For example, one can explain to them that he passover their office carelessly.? If they accept your explain they may start to check the vehicle again and ask you leave the vehicle in usa for another 72 hours for clearance.
I think it should be ok to find a safe parking place such as a storage home etc.
The issue is that you may have to tell US CBP officer the story at the time you re-enter us border. With a temporary plate or without any plate, the vehicle is more visible than normal. They may consider you are going to import a car.
I would like to call them first to evaluate the risk before driving back to have them stamp the title.

Good luck.

It's only the paperwork that needs to be there for 72hrs not the vehicle itself so there shouldn't be any problems sending the paperwork (as long as you still have it) and then showing up in the vehicle 72+hrs later. I thought I saw somewhere saying that 'you could face a $500 fine per vehicle for not following proper export procedure' but I can't seem to find it now ...

One thing I did notice is that their websites states

Front and back of Vehicle Title, salvage title, Manufacturers Certificate of Origin or certified copy of same from the Department of Motor Vehicles. If the title’s NOT in your name, then on the title, the seller must sign as the seller and your name must appear as the buyer.


So for those getting the dealership to drop off / fax / fedex documents over, you might want to mention that (for what it's worth, I believe when we imported a vehicle last spring, the fax we sent was not signed but when we actually exported it with the original, that was signed).

[Georgian]

I always wonder why the Canadian auto market is different from US. Now I understand, it is all because of the pricing! Down there, I can buy a Lexus with my 30+K which I can only bought a CRV here! No wonder Honda Civic is the best selling car in Canada. Only if According is availalbe at that price point, Accord will be the best selling car in Canada.

No more car buying for me in Canada!

[NerV]

This is true for the original manufacturers warranty but not necessarily for other Toyota warranties; Toyota USA extended warranty is only transferable once and extra warranty on Toyota Certified Used Vehicles is not valid in Canada.

Oh really? Wow...it's kinda weird. Do you know the reason why don't they honor the extended plans? Is it possible to buy an extended plan from Toyota dealership in Canada?

Thanks.

[michelb]

Oh really? Wow...it's kinda weird. Do you know the reason why don't they honor the extended plans? Is it possible to buy an extended plan from Toyota dealership in Canada?

Thanks.

Note that it's not 'extended plans' that aren't honored; it's specifically the 'Toyota Certified Used Vehicle' program.

Probably for the same reason that it's hard to buy a new Toyota in the US if you intend to export. You can certainly buy an extended plan in Canada but you'd probably be better off buying the extended plan for a Toyota Dealership in the US (which you can do as well).

[Rossland]

BMW Canada are a bunch of F***ERS!

I just called a GTA BMW dealer to get the info on bringing in a 07 335i
$350 + tax for admissibility letter
$500 + tax for recall clearance
$1800 for Canadian cluster + tax (approx. cost) WTF??

I questioned why the cluster change and the guy really had no repsonse. I also mentioned that USA BMW's have dual readings already. He admitted himself that with I-Drive you can enable the DRL's, but kept insisting that the 'Canadian Government' telling BMW do this.

When i put it back on him and said that RIV told me that BMW is calling the shots, he went silent and said he's not sure.

As much as i would have hated to, i would have considered paying the $850 to bring a BMW here because the savings far outweight the cost, but adding the $1800 for the cluster is just down right dirty. Even with the cluster cost the US BMW is still much cheaper - but on principle alone i would never give in. Until this injustice is reversed, I will never look at a BMW again.

So officially the hell with BMW.
BMW - The Ultimate Gouging Company!

The US cluster is legal in Canada. I imported my BMW in Oct before BMW started this nonsense, and didn't have to change anything.

It pains me greatly to see BMW CA shoot themselves in the foot this way. They are alienating so many customers. They sell a terrific car, but I will never buy one from a Cdn dealer. When the time comes for a new one, if I can't import a BMW from the US I will buy a different brand.

[michelb]

I always wonder why the Canadian auto market is different from US. Now I understand, it is all because of the pricing! Down there, I can buy a Lexus with my 30+K which I can only bought a CRV here! No wonder Honda Civic is the best selling car in Canada. Only if According is availalbe at that price point, Accord will be the best selling car in Canada.

No more car buying for me in Canada!

You picked a bad vehicle for your example; the Lexus IS250 is one of the few cars that you can probably buy for around the same price in Canada as the US (although you might not get the same options). It starts at around $30k in the US (plus 6.1% duty) vs $31k in Canada.

[dotcalamitie]

I thought I would try the same offer on my SeaDoo purchase as my BMW M6 strategy. I offered BMW Canada dealer 15% above the price I would pay for an M6 in the US. The dealer said no way. So I offered my SeaDoo dealer, who I have purchased at least a new SeaDoo from every year for the past several years the same deal. No go. The premium marketplace in Canada is gouge and screw big time. I'll stick to my $22,000 Buffalo Prius. Unfortunately, not enough people like me seem to be around as two friends just bought the new SeaDoo for a 40% premium over US. Too many Canadians have no respect for their money.

[michelb]

I thought I would try the same offer on my SeaDoo purchase as my BMW M6 strategy. I offered BMW Canada dealer 15% above the price I would pay for an M6 in the US. The dealer said no way. So I offered my SeaDoo dealer, who I have purchased at least a new SeaDoo from every year for the past several years the same deal. No go. The premium marketplace in Canada is gouge and screw big time. I'll stick to my $22,000 Buffalo Prius. Unfortunately, not enough people like me seem to be around as two friends just bought the new SeaDoo for a 40% premium over US. Too many Canadians have no respect for their money.

It's a shame that the warranty on US Sea-doos appears void in Canada. Has anybody confirmed this? Any idea if you can return it to the US to have it serviced there?

[NerV]

I read quite a bit of info on carburner.com regarding importing a car from the states. I am still confused about the shipping. From what I understand there brokers/companies that will do all the paper work and shipping for you, but it's quite costly. You could do you it by yourself, and choose either to ship the car in a container or pick it up. What if I choose to pick it up (let's say New York or Detroit), I can't legally drive it without registering it in US, getting plates, insurance, etc. Is that correct? If yes, what's the best option (cheaper...lol :cheesygri )

[bulgurc]

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=477998

[NerV]

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=477998

Awesome! Thanks a lot!

[mikew77]

It's only the paperwork that needs to be there for 72hrs not the vehicle itself so there shouldn't be any problems sending the paperwork (as long as you still have it) and then showing up in the vehicle 72+hrs later. I thought I saw somewhere saying that 'you could face a $500 fine per vehicle for not following proper export procedure' but I can't seem to find it now ...

One thing I did notice is that their websites states

Front and back of Vehicle Title, salvage title, Manufacturers Certificate of Origin or certified copy of same from the Department of Motor Vehicles. If the title’s NOT in your name, then on the title, the seller must sign as the seller and your name must appear as the buyer.


So for those getting the dealership to drop off / fax / fedex documents over, you might want to mention that (for what it's worth, I believe when we imported a vehicle last spring, the fax we sent was not signed but when we actually exported it with the original, that was signed).

$500 fine is stated on CBP website: http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/export/export_docs/vehicle_exports/72_hrs_before_personal.xml

Someone seems having said that one CBP officer warned one exporter (who didn't pass 72 hours) DO not try to cross the border unless the exporter didn't care the vehicle to be seized. The story was presented somewhere in this forums or in Edmunds' forums.
So for those who skiped the exportation, it is necessary to make sure how much risk will be if you drive the vehicle back to get stamp. Call CBP first is a good idea. If they say no big ideal, then write down the officer' s name and go ahead to get the stamp. If they say a big trouble, then forget it and just be careful not driving the vehicle into USA and better to tell the next buyer too if you are going to sell it.
For new vehicle, you can fax the MCO without signing it. I faxed the back side with blank last week and cross the border Monday without any problem. Blank back side of MCO means the vehicle is a new and there is no other owner--that is all CBP wants to clear. At Buffalo port, only fax copy of title is required. It will be good if you could attach an exporter worksheet(from CBP website shown the above).

[mikew77]

Hi,

Any one knows where to get bilingual air bag warnings labels?

Thanks

[bulgurc]

Is that needed?

[mikew77]

Is that needed?
Yes, my Canadian Tire inspector refused to give me a PASS before he see the label.

[michelb]

Yes, my Canadian Tire inspector refused to give me a PASS before he see the label.

Search the thread as it's been discussed on a few occasions.

Also make sure that you actually need them. They are only required if the airbag system requires 'periodic maintenance' - if the english ones don't say that, print off the specs from RIV site, bring them to CT and tell the inspector that he's an idiot (ok maybe you shouldn't do that part) - explain to him that, as per the RIV specification, the bilingual labels are only required if the airbag system needs periodic maintance (and I suspect whatever car you are importing probably doesn't need that) so they aren't required. If he still doesn't agree, request to speak to the manager, if the manager doesn't agree, call RIV up (preferably from CT) and confirm with them that it's not required and get them to tell the CT manager.

[mikew77]

Search the thread as it's been discussed on a few occasions.

Also make sure that you actually need them. They are only required if the airbag system requires 'periodic maintenance' - if the english ones don't say that, print off the specs from RIV site, bring them to CT and tell the inspector that he's an idiot (ok maybe you shouldn't do that part) - explain to him that, as per the RIV specification, the bilingual labels are only required if the airbag system needs periodic maintance (and I suspect whatever car you are importing probably doesn't need that) so they aren't required. If he still doesn't agree, request to speak to the manager, if the manager doesn't agree, call RIV up (preferably from CT) and confirm with them that it's not required and get them to tell the CT manager.

Thanks a lot.
Actually,in my form 2 RIV states it exactly as you said . I had argued it with the guy but he didn't agree. Instead, he told me he had inspected many vehicles and everyone had one--sounds big liar. There is nothing unusual on my airbag. The English label just generally states that children could be injury if too close...that kind of thing.
It looks necessary for me to go there again to fix the guy and make sure he understand RIV requirement.

[jnmontario]

A question and/or comment:

When finalizing the purchase of my Prius I had to supply 6 'points' worth of ID for the NY dealership (it was a NY dept. of motor vehicles sheet I was faxed). It was a pain in the ass. Generating 6 points of ID is crazy-hard. CDN passport doesn't count, driver's license is only 2 points. Utility/bank bills with your name/address are 1 each but you can only use 3 max. If I didn't have dual citizenship and use my social security number I would have been scrounging to get my last piece of ID.

Anybody else experience this?

[bulgurc]

I was told Cdn passport counts as 3, so does the driver licence

[norm07]

Has anyone recently imported a 2005 to 2008 Nissan Pathfinder....any issues with RIV Canda???

[ziploc]

Has anyone recently imported a 2005 to 2008 Nissan Pathfinder....any issues with RIV Canda???

be carefull about gas guzzler tax.....

[dreaderus]

im planning on getting the extended subaru warranty, and the dealer is advising that once the 3 years is up on the normal warranty the 4 year 70k mile is good "in canada" rather then having to send in receipts to usa.

anyone have any comments on this or if what is offered is worth it?

[mikew77]

Search the thread as it's been discussed on a few occasions.

Also make sure that you actually need them. They are only required if the airbag system requires 'periodic maintenance' - if the english ones don't say that, print off the specs from RIV site, bring them to CT and tell the inspector that he's an idiot (ok maybe you shouldn't do that part) - explain to him that, as per the RIV specification, the bilingual labels are only required if the airbag system needs periodic maintance (and I suspect whatever car you are importing probably doesn't need that) so they aren't required. If he still doesn't agree, request to speak to the manager, if the manager doesn't agree, call RIV up (preferably from CT) and confirm with them that it's not required and get them to tell the CT manager.

OK. The CT was fixed. I got my Form2 passed , and also clear a small block for other importers.
I went to the same CT this morning with onwer's manual and with confidence.
* Told the same guy that he understood RIV's requirement incorrectly.
* Pointed to him that RIV asks a Bilingual Maintenance Label for those airbag need peroidic maintenance, not a general Airbag Warning Label.
* shown him the manual that my airbag system is maintenance free.

The guy still hesitated, then
* Ask him to call RIV for explaination. I didn't call RIV for this issue before because information shown in this forum is good enough.

After the call, the CT guy signed and stamped my Form1 and Form 2 immediately and then faxed them to RIV.

Thank agian Michelb!

[ryandk]

Help!

I'm looking to import a new Toyota Prius. Has anyone found a Toyota dealer in Western Washington who is willing to sell to Canadians?

Thanks.

Ryan

[ryandk]

OK -- Ignore my last message.

I just talked to a Toyota dealership in Bellingham.

They told me ALL Toyota dealerships are able to sell to Canadians, and have been able to since October.

Has this come up before on this message board? If so, I must have missed it.

So go buy a Toyota before this changes again!

Ryan

[dogdog]

Ryandk, are you sure about this? As recently as one month ago, I was hunting around for dealers in Washington state, and after talking to about 8 of them, NONE of them was willing to sell to me directly; I would need a US resident as an intermediary. One wouldn't even deal with me if they thought the car was going to be resold to me.

I think the salesperson must be referring to used Vehicles. If, in fact, he is referring to new ones, give me his name!

[toystoys]

Ryandk, are you sure about this? As recently as one month ago, I was hunting around for dealers in Washington state, and after talking to about 8 of them, NONE of them was willing to sell to me directly; I would need a US resident as an intermediary. One wouldn't even deal with me if they thought the car was going to be resold to me.

I think the salesperson must be referring to used Vehicles. If, in fact, he is referring to new ones, give me his name!

.... do some digging around in Arizona, hint go as far South and East as you can, make the call, get 'your' price on a Toyota you want. Do your pricing homework but they are selling. They will charge you state tax.

Pack your golf clubs and linger on the return trip, preferably in Arizona, if you plan this correctly you can be back at the border sometime after winter is over and before it gets too hot there. Forget the 72 hours and go for 72 days(or at least 3 weeks);)

Possibly California dealers will not charge you local taxes and I also heard a story of some cooperative dealers delivering the car into the neighboring state to do the deal to avoid taxes that must be paid. If the dealer does the deal in his state, taxes have to be charged . Either way, there are some snowbirds driving back new cars, paying local taxes and still getting a 'free' winter in a warm climate.

....enjoy your holiday.

[ryandk]

I spoke to someone at the Toyota dealership at Bellingham and asked specifically about new cars. She told me that, for a period, Toyota did not allow them to sell new vehicles to Canada, but that changed last October. I'm not sure if they're willing to negotiate very much from MRSP for Canadians, but I'm going to try. Sounded like she wanted me to pay to have a car transferred from another dealership. Grrr...

I'll keep you posted.

If it falls through with Bellingham, I have the name of a guy in SE Washington (about a 6 hour drive from Vancouver) who definitely will sell new Toyotas to Canadians.



Ryandk, are you sure about this? As recently as one month ago, I was hunting around for dealers in Washington state, and after talking to about 8 of them, NONE of them was willing to sell to me directly; I would need a US resident as an intermediary. One wouldn't even deal with me if they thought the car was going to be resold to me.

I think the salesperson must be referring to used Vehicles. If, in fact, he is referring to new ones, give me his name!

[beatdownvictim]

now why cant any lexus dealers be like that in washington :(

[atorontoguy]

Has anyone imported a BMW recently? My friend is considering importing an X5. We would like to know if a $350 letter of admissibility + vehicle report history from the BMW USA dealer is sufficient for RIV to get the car imported and licensed in Ontario, or we must do the full thing, i.e. get the DRL and cluster changed in the BMW Canada dealer, and pay additional $500 for recall clearance letter.

Also, does anyone know a friendly BMW Canada service manager in GTA? Thanks.

[jnmontario]

I spoke to someone at the Toyota dealership at Bellingham and asked specifically about new cars. She told me that, for a period, Toyota did not allow them to sell new vehicles to Canada, but that changed last October.

If it falls through with Bellingham, I have the name of a guy in SE Washington (about a 6 hour drive from Vancouver) who definitely will sell new Toyotas to Canadians.


Damn! I wish they heard about this in the east!

[michelb]

.... do some digging around in Arizona, hint go as far South and East as you can, make the call, get 'your' price on a Toyota you want. Do your pricing homework but they are selling. They will charge you state tax.

...

Possibly California dealers will not charge you local taxes and I also heard a story of some cooperative dealers delivering the car into the neighboring state to do the deal to avoid taxes that must be paid. If the dealer does the deal in his state, taxes have to be charged . Either way, there are some snowbirds driving back new cars, paying local taxes and still getting a 'free' winter in a warm climate.

...

Try to confirm your information before posting. AZ will not charge you any tax as long as you are a non-resident (e.g. if you are staying there for the winter, you're a resident and will pay tax). CA (like FL (and possibly Michigan or Ohio)) charges tax unless you are shipping the vehicle outside the state.

[michelb]

Has anyone imported a BMW recently? My friend is considering importing an X5. We would like to know if a $350 letter of admissibility + vehicle report history from the BMW USA dealer is sufficient for RIV to get the car imported and licensed in Ontario, or we must do the full thing, i.e. get the DRL and cluster changed in the BMW Canada dealer, and pay additional $500 for recall clearance letter.

Also, does anyone know a friendly BMW Canada service manager in GTA? Thanks.

BMW has been discussed several times in the forums so just search. For any vehicle, it will be almost $1k for the letters and $2k for a new dash console. Everything must be done but BMW Canada dealer.

[atorontoguy]

BMW has been discussed several times in the forums so just search. For any vehicle, it will be almost $1k for the letters and $2k for a new dash console. Everything must be done but BMW Canada dealer.Yes, I understand. But I also heard that some people said that they may be able to bypass the new dash console with a vehicle report from the BMW US dealer. The RIV accepts it and so there is no need to go through the BMW Canada. Just want to know if anyone has success on it.

[Paladium]

Live in Toronto

I've been reading this forum off and on for the last six months I am thinking of buying a car perhaps a toyota - I've only owned beaters before.

I am looking to get anything from a corolla on up.

It seems, from reading the forum, that it is practically impossible to find a dealer to sell directly to Canadians that is anywhere near Toronto.

However I can buy a used Toyota even if it has a few thousand miles on it and they would sell it?

Is there a big disadvantage in this.

I at one time thought of getting the subaru Tribeca - and although I haven't followed this forum religiously there seemed to be a change in their selling policy in early January.

Anywho I am going to Pensylvania next week should I just walk into a dealer ship and see what's up. Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance

The Rookie

[ryandk]

Has anyone used the Costco car pricing service?

I asked for an online quote, but the Toyota dealership told me it was for Americans only. Is this true?

[michelb]

Yes, I understand. But I also heard that some people said that they may be able to bypass the new dash console with a vehicle report from the BMW US dealer. The RIV accepts it and so there is no need to go through the BMW Canada. Just want to know if anyone has success on it.

If you find new information please let us know but from what I understand, what you mentioned above was the case BEFORE Oct 2007 (i.e. BMW Canada was still charging for the recall letter but you could just get it from a US dealer instead). From the information on the RIV site, now you MUST get the recall letter and the admissibility letter from BMW Canada and there's no way around it.

[HP_John]

I read quite a bit of info on carburner.com regarding importing a car from the states. I am still confused about the shipping. From what I understand there brokers/companies that will do all the paper work and shipping for you, but it's quite costly. You could do you it by yourself, and choose either to ship the car in a container or pick it up. What if I choose to pick it up (let's say New York or Detroit), I can't legally drive it without registering it in US, getting plates, insurance, etc. Is that correct? If yes, what's the best option (cheaper...lol :cheesygri )

Real example, for them to do all the paper work & ship it to my home in Toronto, was about $2200. For me to do all the paper work & ship it to Buffalo, was about $1100.

Go to a NY DMV, apply for a intransit permit (NY doesn't have temp plates). You need to either have a "insurance binder", or a detailed letter from your insurer (a long list of stuff it must say), faxed to that NY DMV. The regular insurance paper is NOT enough.

Permit cost $10, & you must be insured before driving.

[Rossland]

Real example, for them to do all the paper work & ship it to my home in Toronto, was about $2200. For me to do all the paper work & ship it to Buffalo, was about $1100.

Go to a NY DMV, apply for a intransit permit (NY doesn't have temp plates). You need to either have a "insurance binder", or a detailed letter from your insurer (a long list of stuff it must say), faxed to that NY DMV. The regular insurance paper is NOT enough.

Permit cost $10, & you must be insured before driving.

Get a transit permit and you don't need to ship it. The dealer should help you with the paper work. NY transit permits are good for 30 days, but my Ont. insurance company would only insure the car for 15 days before it was registered here. But that should be long enough. With the transit permit you can not only drive it home, but drive it around Ont. while waiting for RIV to process the paperwork.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I always wonder why the Canadian auto market is different from US. Now I understand, it is all because of the pricing! Down there, I can buy a Lexus with my 30+K which I can only bought a CRV here! No wonder Honda Civic is the best selling car in Canada. Only if According is availalbe at that price point, Accord will be the best selling car in Canada.

No more car buying for me in Canada!

Amen to that!

Another converted soul to the "I'm tired of getting screwed" congregation.

[toystoys]

Try to confirm your information before posting. AZ will not charge you any tax as long as you are a non-resident (e.g. if you are staying there for the winter, you're a resident and will pay tax). CA (like FL (and possibly Michigan or Ohio)) charges tax unless you are shipping the vehicle outside the state.

With all due respect michelb, for the location I pinpointed, the info is deadly accurate. I'm just back from holidaying there, spent 2 months in Arizona. I sat down with the salesman that handles the Canadian deals. Will PM his name if you like. He pointed me to two vehicles sitting out front that were sold to visiting snowbirds and told me how the deal went down. If the info for your dealer(s) is different, fine, but my info is fresh and accurate for the location I pinpointed.

Possibly we can conclude from this that there is no one way, each dealer may handle this uniquely. Perhaps we're both right ;) This dealer does charge state tax.

[PrimeBane]

I FINALLY got home to Calgary last night after picking up my used 2007 Saturn Outlook in Minnesota. :)

The border was a breeze to say the least (crossed at Emerson/Pembina).

I paid my RIV online this morning, but now I ran into a small snag on the recall letter. I called RIV to confirm that a printout from the dealer would be okay. The lady I talked too said a printout from the authorized Saturn dealer was not acceptable by RIV and that I'd need to get a recall letter Vintage Vehicles. :(

I had hoped to save that cost, but oh well...

On a side note, what happed to the "Paperwork Required To Complete Process" section on carburners.com? All the information is gone. :(

[t_garp]

Yes, my Canadian Tire inspector refused to give me a PASS before he see the label.

Go to another CDN Tire...You will see the requirements and thouroughness of the inspector vary...

[michelb]

With all due respect michelb, for the location I pinpointed, the info is deadly accurate. I'm just back from holidaying there, spent 2 months in Arizona. I sat down with the salesman that handles the Canadian deals. Will PM his name if you like. He pointed me to two vehicles sitting out front that were sold to visiting snowbirds and told me how the deal went down. If the info for your dealer(s) is different, fine, but my info is fresh and accurate for the location I pinpointed.

Possibly we can conclude from this that there is no one way, each dealer may handle this uniquely. Perhaps we're both right ;) This dealer does charge state tax.

I purchased a vehicle in AZ and did not pay any AZ tax.

If you are a snowbird, you have an address there (even temporary) and are thus considered residents as far as AZ is concerned so they charge you tax. For more info, check the AZ website for their definition and requirements for resident and non-resident.

[Cars4Canadians]

I always wonder why the Canadian auto market is different from US. Now I understand, it is all because of the pricing! Down there, I can buy a Lexus with my 30+K which I can only bought a CRV here! No wonder Honda Civic is the best selling car in Canada. Only if According is availalbe at that price point, Accord will be the best selling car in Canada.

No more car buying for me in Canada!


IT is crazy over here, whenever i hear on the news or in some newspaper about how Civics are the best selling cars and how "Canadians' Love small cars i want to laugh and puke at the same time.... We like the small cars because the nicer cars are overpriced like CRAZY.

Instead of a stinking civic, i'm sure 90 percent of the people driving them would rather have a BMW, MErcedes, or Lexus.... oh well, too many people with too much money to burn in Canada, can't teach people to save money, i guess they want to spend it for the heck of it.

[ryandk]

As I mentioned before, I found a Toyota dealership in Washington state who is willing to sell new Toyotas to Canadians, but only at MRSP.

Are there any others out there who are ready to buy a new Toyota now? If we go down together, maybe we can convince them to give us a deal.

Send me a PM with your name and number if you're interested.

[NerV]

As I mentioned before, I found a Toyota dealership in Washington state who is willing to sell new Toyotas to Canadians, but only at MRSP.

Are there any others out there who are ready to buy a new Toyota now? If we go down together, maybe we can convince them to give us a deal.

Send me a PM with your name and number if you're interested.

Why don't you try a 1 year old car? The car is basically brand new, but much cheaper than real brand-brand new. You can save around $4-5k.

[starR]

even if this were to work....

forget about ever getting any servicing or warranty work done by a dealer in Canada. last i heard anyway....the RIV has been told not to accept the US letter anymore and ONLY the Canadian issued one.

SCREW BMW...there are other options!!

Yes, I understand. But I also heard that some people said that they may be able to bypass the new dash console with a vehicle report from the BMW US dealer. The RIV accepts it and so there is no need to go through the BMW Canada. Just want to know if anyone has success on it.

[leseuldaniel]

A little off topic (but not so much)..

Here is what a decent gvt does about cartels, even if it means going after big companies...

http://uk.biz.yahoo.com/11022008/323/german-cartel-office-probes-chocolate-price-hikes-report.html

Not so difficult, is it?

[inspire]

To reply to this post:

1) Do you think the UK has a 'decent government'? I'd argue that one just on principle alone.

However, trying to fight off companies from ripping off consumers, I'd agree with you. However, chocolate prices affect every citizen on a more regular basis than cars. I mean, we buy cars on a far less frequent basis than chocolate. Food VS cars ... apples and oranges.

2) Not so difficult to fight big corporations? You bet it is! What do you think the UK gov't is going to find? They're going to find that cocoa prices have gone up. The gov't gets good publicity for looking after its citizens (I'm sure there's a general election going to be called soon) but nothing's really gonna happen. Plus, it also changes the focus from the various 'wars' going around the world to make front page news.

I find that the UK general public to have far more political savvy than us Canadians. The public there is going to see through it. Meanwhile, us sheepish Canadians will grumble to one another but do nothing about it. Let car companies dictate price and elect the same imbeciles run our various levels of government.

Going back on topic ... why not have us consumers be smart and not buy a new car for a month across the country and force the various car companies to get in line with what *we* want. A quiet 'protest' so to speak -- get pricing closer to parity. The only difference should be the freight. Putting a car together for US consumers and for Canadian consumers should be the same if you mass produce a car (which they already do). Intentionally putting different 'comfort packages' for Canadian consumers vs US consumers is horse crap so that one cannot 'accurately' compare cars between borders is bogus. Do you think us Canadians *really* have that different a taste than our US counterparts? Why not offer the same packages but less of them since it would be 'expensive' to do so for such a market? And the language issue -- I don't think it takes that much effort to translate an owner's manual into French (since many American products have Spanish translations on them, anyways!) If you really want to 'save money', why not force people to download a PDF file like other industries? How many people actually *read* those things? Or charge $20 for it? I wouldn't ask for it if I had to pay $20. Plus it would save a lot of trees in the process. Idiots.

Don't believe what that loser Derosiers and the like (aka so-called car 'experts') say about how parity pricing can't be done. Free enterprise and a 'true' competitive market will force big business to smarten up.



A little off topic (but not so much)..

Here is what a decent gvt does about cartels, even if it means going after big companies...

Not so difficult, is it?

[KillaB]

I just received a new metric gauge cluster for my Tacoma and just wondered what kind of impact this will have on my warranty?

My Imperial gauge cluster has 4500miles on it and the new cluster has 0Km.

Before I call Toyota HQ for advise, does anyone know if any of Toyota's diagnostic tools can add mileage so that the switch is on the "up and up"?

[niceguy1234]

This is my personal experience to import my Toyota Camry SE V6 (with sunroof, leather package). I have it plated and insured in Vancouver BC last Sat.

Preparation:

1. Check if you need to pay duty
It’s a vehicle made in North America if it has a VIN that begins with a 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5.

1, 4, 5=USA
2=Canada
3= Mexico
J=Japan
W=Germany
K=Korea

Vehicles manufactured outside Canada, the US or Mexico are assessed a 6.1% duty fee.

2. Check if the car is admissible: http://www.riv.ca/english/html/us_vehicle_admissibility.html

3. Check if I need to pay the VEI Excise Tax:
http://www.riv.ca/english/07.03_New_Green_Levy.pdf

4. Check if the car is still under warranty after imported to Canada by calling the manufactory in Canada. Also look here:
http://www.apa.ca/template.asp?DocID=253
Honda/Acura do not honor factory warranty in Canada, that is why I choose Toyota. They honor factory warranty as well as the extended warranty (ECP plan).

5. Find authorized dealer on Internet and send them email. Ask them if they can sell me brand new cars. Some of them will only sell you pre-own ones. Most of Honda and Toyota dealers are not allowed to sell new cars to Canadian customers I call more than 10 Toyota dealers in WA and OR, and find only one in Bellingham can sell me new one

Shopping:

1. Visit the dealer, and get more information about the car I am going to buy.

2. Make sure there is no factory recall on the car, and at least the recall is fixable/reparable.

3. Check the model with Day Time Running Light & Engine Immobilizer. Camry comes with them, but DRL will need to modify.

4. Negotiate the price. Depends on what car that you are buying, if no other dealer is willing to sell you a new car, prepare to pay the MSRP.

5. Pay deposit of US$500 to secure the car by credit card.

Exporting:

1. Have the dealer fax the Vehicle Export Worksheet, the Manufacturer Certificate of Origin (MCO) (remember front & back) to US Customs 72 hours before you pick up the car. Some border crossing requires original MCO or MSO. If by fax, call them and make sure they receive it.

Note: US custom in Lynden / Aldergrove is faster and more friendly than in Blaine. They don't need 72 hour waiting period, they tell me I can cross anytime I want as long as the car is fully paid.
Phone: (360) 354-2183
Fax: (360) 354-2706

2. Obtain a typed letter (with letterhead & stamp) and clearance print-out (5 pages total) from dealer.
http://www.riv.ca/english/html/recall_clearance.html

3. Pay the car dealer by bank draft that cost you $5. If you do wire transfer, it will cost you $25 + some % on the total amount transferred.

4. Dealer provide me a 3-day permit at $29 for crossing the boarder. Buy an extra 3-day permit, and I need that later for the Federal and Provincial inspection. Remember this is nothing do with insurance. You need to contact your local insurance agent before you pick up the car. Buy a 10-day temporary insurance (binder APV38 form) from the day that you import the car. It costs you $36 for $200,000 3rd party coverage, $500 deductible for collision, $300 deductible for comprehensive. You need to provide the bill of sale with VIN number on it. Remember this temp insurance is good for point-to-point travel, not for your normal daily use.

5. Take a Greyhound bus to Bellingham and the saleperson pick me up at the station. Remember to declare the money (if over US$10000) that you are carrying at US custom.

6. After arrive at dealership, check the car carefully for any defective. Test-drive it. Then give them bank draft to complete the deal. Dealer notarize the back of the MCO to transfer the title, and the car is mine.

7. Before I drive the car away, check the VIN number on the car again and make sure it matches the Bill of Sale and the MCO. The vehicle should have the manufacturer’s compliance label on the driver’s door frame (has date of manufacture, manufacturer, statement of compliance with regulations, etc.).

8. Stick the 3-day temp permit on the back window of the car. Custom will check it when you cross the boarder.

9. Boarding crossing working hour for exporting is usually M-F 8:00 am to 4:00 pm. They DON’T process export / import after 3:30 pm. They don’t working weekends.

At the Boarder:

1. When arrive US boarder, park you car at parking lot, and bring your documents (receipts to show full payment, notarized MCO or MSO, bill of sale) to the US custom counter. Tell them I am exporting a car. After checking the car and VIN, they stamp the MCO, and I am good to go in 10 minutes.

2. At Canada boarder, stop at booth, and tell the officer that I am importing a car. They will give me a slip and you need to park the car and enter the building. Show them the paperwork again with the stamped MCO (you don’t need the Recall Clearance Letter). Fill out the Form 1. They check my car and then stamp the Form 1. They convert the US sales amount to CAD dollars, and I need to pay:
- GST (5% after Jan 1, 2008)
- $100 air conditioning tax (if your car has air condition)
- 6.1% if your car is not made in North America. My Camry is made in KY, so no need to pay duty.
- $206.70 RIV Importation Fee (custom officer charge me on-line by VISA, and print me a receipt)

On the Form 1, you need to fill out the manufacture date from compliance label on the driver’s door frame.
Form 1 must be kept in the vehicle until it is licensed.
It takes about 20 min here to complete the process at CAD boarder. Both US and CAD custom officer go out to check my car's VIN.

After arriving home:

1. Email the MCO, Recall Clearance Letter, and the receipt (RIV importation fee) that I paod at the board at recall@riv.ca. I tried to call them to get the Form 2 quicker, but they will not speed up the process, and not even check my email. They just told me to wait for 3 business days.
Registrar of Imported Vehicles
1-888-848-8240
Fax: 1-888-642-9899
recall@riv.ca
Hours of service
Mon. to Fri.: 7:00 a.m. to 12:00 midnight (EST)
Sat. and Sun.: 7:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. (EST)

2. Get Form 2 after 3 business days. It allows me to bring the vehicle to Canadian Tire to perform federal inspections (i.e. bumpers, Daytime Running Lights, Child Tethers, Airbags), and the provincial inspection. If the car does not pass the Federal Inspection, you have 45 days to fix it. Usually Canadian Tire can do the fix too. After 45 days, if you still not pass the inspection, your car will need to be exported back to USA.

3. My first 3-day permit expired by now, and I use the 2nd one on the back of the window and legally drive the car to Canadian Tire. Bring Form 2 to Canadian Tire along with the Form 1, Riv payment receipt and MCO (they don't need recall letter now). If pass, they will stamp the Form 2 and fax to RIV immediately. Please note that there must be metric markings on the speedometer, but it doesn't mean the speedometer must be replaced even though miles per hour are more prominent on vehicles manufactured in the U.S. My Camry's Day-time-running light need to rewire to meet Canada standard which must be on when the engine is started.

Note: You don’t need to pay for the inspection in Canadian Tire. It is included in the $206.70 that you paid at the boarder. You will need to pay for the Provincial Inspection and any modification needed. Provincial inspection is required for obtaining the BC insurance no matter it is new or used car. I do it at Canadian Tire at the same. It takes me amost 4 hrs there.

4. Head to ICBC agent immediately to get registration and insurance. Present stamped Form 1, Bill of sale, MCO or MSO, the passed Provincial Inspection form, and Canada Customs payment form (GST receipt).
Pay PST by credit card. Pay to have the car registered / plated and insured. You don’t need to do Air Care if it is NEW. There are a lot of paperwork and photo copy, so it takes amost 1 hour to finish everything here.

5. After that's all done, wait for RIV to send me a letter with Canadian Certification Label to affix to my door sill (usually comes within 10 business days).

MSRP: 29750
document: 50
freight: 660
total: 30460
GST: 1515.92
PST: 2122.26
Total: 34098.18
US exchange @1.0255: 663 (on Dec 13, 2007)
RIV fee: 206.7
temp permit: 30 (I pay one and dealer buy me one)
air condition: 100
Greyhound ticket: 17
provincal inspection: 117.58
DRL modification: 291.87
CAD$35524.33

Compair to buy locally: $37045(MSRP)+$1240(freight)+$100(air)+GST+PST=CAD$ 42979.20

Save about CAD$7455.

[looniepincher]

Congrats niceguy. Your summary will be useful to many people here. I found your breakdown of the costs especially helpful.

[mikedv]

hi guys ..i have found a honda dealer for export..the problem is he cannot provide with recall clearance letter..what do you guys think of this..do i have any other options..this for brand new pilot...thanx mike

[NerV]

Wow! Impressive! Good job, buddy! :!: :!: :!:

[cordarone]

hi guys ..i have found a honda dealer for export..the problem is he cannot provide with recall clearance letter..what do you guys think of this..do i have any other options..this for brand new pilot...thanx mike

Honda USA will only issue recall letters to US residents. A way around it was this method listed on carburner (http://www.carburner.com/index.php?title=Paperwork_Required_To_Complete_Pro cess&diff=592&oldid=591)
Create a user account with American Honda at www.ahm-ownerlink.com Enter your USA-based VIN (it only accepts USA VINs) Print this page Click on the link, "Recalls" Print this page.

Not sure if it's still doable this way, YMMV...
(on a sidenote, why was that entire page removed from the wiki? I only found it in the edit page's previous revision.)

[GoogleFish]

hi guys ..i have found a honda dealer for export..the problem is he cannot provide with recall clearance letter..what do you guys think of this..do i have any other options..this for brand new pilot...thanx mike

If it's an authorized Honda dealer, they can provide you with a vehicle history report and a cover letter (with logo of dealer) which will be acceptable to RIV.

[mangoman]

Latest updated list (haven't checked to see what changed):

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/VAFUS.pdf

[dotcalamitie]

I've seen a couple of guys here say the Dealer written recall clearance letter didn't work at RIV and a couple of guys saying they accept it. I tried the Dealer written recall clearance letter history thing...RIV did not accept it either. Even more interesting, there was no negotiating with RIV...they said poker faced "There is no discussion on this matter, the decision is final in your case number. You must provide a recall clearance letter from the manufacturer." End of discussion. Fortunately Toyota provided me with the letter. I thought it was worth the try and saved me time. Logic says that a dealer should be enabled to provide that information...a dealer who represents that car brand. But we're dealing with government policy here.

[xcel]

Originally Posted by mikedv
hi guys ..i have found a honda dealer for export..the problem is he cannot provide with recall clearance letter..what do you guys think of this..do i have any other options..this for brand new pilot...thanx mike

Honda USA will only issue recall letters to US residents. A way around it was this method listed on carburner (http://www.carburner.com/index.php?title=Paperwork_Required_To_Complete_Pro cess&diff=592&oldid=591)

Create a user account with American Honda at www.ahm-ownerlink.com Enter your USA-based VIN (it only accepts USA VINs) Print this page Click on the link, "Recalls" Print this page.

Not sure if it's still doable this way, YMMV...
(on a sidenote, why was that entire page removed from the wiki? I only found it in the edit page's previous revision.)

RIV still accepts this. Just imported a used honda.
You can also call RIV directly and they will tell you the same thing.

[endura]

This is my personal experience to import my Toyota Camry SE V6 (with sunroof, leather package). I have it plated and insured in Vancouver BC last Sat.

MSRP: 29750
document: 50
freight: 660
total: 30460
GST: 1515.92
PST: 2122.26
Total: 34098.18
US exchange @1.0255: 663 (on Dec 13, 2007)
RIV fee: 206.7
temp permit: 30 (I pay one and dealer buy me one)
air condition: 100
Greyhound ticket: 17
provincal inspection: 117.58
DRL modification: 291.87
CAD$35524.33

Compair to buy locally: $37045(MSRP)+$1240(freight)+$100(air)+GST+PST=CAD$ 42979.20

Save about CAD$7455.

congrats.

toyota is giving 2500 rebate on camrys and I think it would not be too difficult to get another 2000 off of list price on top of that. they're offering a lousy 4.9% finance/lease, so that does not enter into the equation.

still, the 4000 difference is better in your pocket than toyota canada's.

[niceguy1234]

Does RIV accept recall clearance printout from the dealer? Here is the quote from RIV:

"In some cases, we will also accept a printout from an authorized American dealer. If you obtain a printout from an American dealer, you must ensure that they are an authorized dealer and not a re-seller. You can confirm this by calling the head office of the manufacturer and providing them with the location of the dealership in question.

If the printout is from an authorized American dealership, the company stamp must be affixed to the printout. In either case, the 17 digit Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) of the vehicle in question must be included in the letter."

I did not get the recall clearance letter from Toyota USA, but get the printout (total 5 pages) from the dealer instead. RIV accepts it, and my import process is done.

[michelb]

...
I did not get the recall clearance letter from Toyota USA, but get the printout (total 5 pages) from the dealer instead. RIV accepts it, and my import process is done.

For those looking at importing Toyota, I got my recall letter from Toyota USA last week - took all of 10 minutes I think for them to fax it (they asked if I wanted it faxed or mailed it, I just told them fax was fine) and there is no charge.

[niceguy1234]

congrats.

toyota is giving 2500 rebate on camrys and I think it would not be too difficult to get another 2000 off of list price on top of that. they're offering a lousy 4.9% finance/lease, so that does not enter into the equation.

still, the 4000 difference is better in your pocket than toyota canada's.

My calculation is based on the time that I purchased the car on Dec 11, 2007. At that time Toyota Canada offer $1000 rebate on gas. The exchange rate is bad for CAD $, and I pay CAD$700 more for the US$. So my actual saving was some $6500.

And now, the exchange rate is favor CAD $. After the $2500 rebate, I still save over CAD$5500 which is not bad.

The other factor should consider is the resale value. Imported car will worth less than local car. If you sell your car in a few years, you may lost money money because of the lower resell value. If you use your car for 10+ year, then the impact on the resell value is minimum.

[EL820]

MSRP: 29750
document: 50
freight: 660
total: 30460
GST: 1515.92
PST: 2122.26
Total: 34098.18
US exchange @1.0255: 663 (on Dec 13, 2007)
RIV fee: 206.7
temp permit: 30 (I pay one and dealer buy me one)
air condition: 100
Greyhound ticket: 17
provincal inspection: 117.58
DRL modification: 291.87
CAD$35524.33

Compair to buy locally: $37045(MSRP)+$1240(freight)+$100(air)+GST+PST=CAD$ 42979.20

Save about CAD$7455.



Wow...I wasn't aware a Camry cost C$43K in Canada.

Congrats niceguy1234...enjoy your nice ride!

[michelb]

Wow...I wasn't aware a Camry cost C$43K in Canada.
...

Actually, add nav, XM and 18" to an XLE v6 Camry and you're looking at almost $50k in Canada. And that's after the recent price drop (I think Camry's were reduced $2k).

[mikered]

I am a little late with this post but wanted to say that I did receive the "Toyota certified warranty" on my used Highlander(06) I purchased and received the warranty cards in the mail with the 7 year 100,000mile powertrain warranty and 7 year 100,000 roadside assistance.I cant remember who posted that it is invalid in Canada but that is not true.

[whampoa]

My calculation is based on the time that I purchased the car on Dec 11, 2007. At that time Toyota Canada offer $1000 rebate on gas. The exchange rate is bad for CAD $, and I pay CAD$700 more for the US$. So my actual saving was some $6500.

And now, the exchange rate is favor CAD $. After the $2500 rebate, I still save over CAD$5500 which is not bad.

The other factor should consider is the resale value. Imported car will worth less than local car. If you sell your car in a few years, you may lost money money because of the lower resell value. If you use your car for 10+ year, then the impact on the resell value is minimum.

It might be true, if both vehicle are the same make, model and condition, at the time of resale, with comparable options and features.

However, remember you're purchasing the import at a significant lower starting price compare to local price.

And also, most import are loaded to the hilt with sunroof, GPS and extra coffee cup.

Even with all this options, it's still several grand less than purchasing a similar car in Canada without the extra.

Therefore, when you sell your car in a few years down the road.

Guess which one will sell first, if price within the same range.

[savvygal]

I was wondering, and sorry if it has been already asked and answered, when applying for car insurance on your US vehicle, do you declare what you paid, or what it is worth in Canada? Our policy has a clause where if we total our car within 24 months of manufacture date, and it can't be repaired, it will be replaced. Initially when I added on the Tribeca just to get insurance to bring it back, I just declared the US price we were paying. Upon further conversation with the agent, she told me that she would have to put down a higher cost (from $31.5 to $55K) because if they were to replace the tribeca, they could not be able to do it for $31K. I thought they would allow me to replace with another US vehicle but she said no. If they could not find the identical car we own, with the same options, they would have to give us the souped up version that is sold in Canada (which costs approx $64k).

(cross posted in motor vehicles forum)

[Kamloops]

The other factor should consider is the resale value. Imported car will worth less than local car. If you sell your car in a few years, you may lost money money because of the lower resell value. If you use your car for 10+ year, then the impact on the resell value is minimum.

That is crap I have flipped 2 imported cars and they sold for the same price that used canadian cars are selling for without any problem...that is dealer talk dont believe it!

[Gabriel Kish]

Hi Guys. How do you get around the Mi 6% sales tax when exporting to Canada? Is the car flatbedded and signed at the border?

Thanks

[niceguy1234]

That is crap I have flipped 2 imported cars and they sold for the same price that used canadian cars are selling for without any problem...that is dealer talk dont believe it!

If I have 2 equivalent cars with same price in front of me: one from US, and one from local. I will choose the local car, no question.

[st7860]

That is crap I have flipped 2 imported cars and they sold for the same price that used canadian cars are selling for without any problem...that is dealer talk dont believe it!

+1

If I have 2 equivalent cars with same price in front of me: one from US, and one from local. I will choose the US, no question because of their mileage being 'less' than equivalent Canadian mileage.

[niceguy1234]

I am a little late with this post but wanted to say that I did receive the "Toyota certified warranty" on my used Highlander(06) I purchased and received the warranty cards in the mail with the 7 year 100,000mile powertrain warranty and 7 year 100,000 roadside assistance.I cant remember who posted that it is invalid in Canada but that is not true.

You should double check with Toyota USA, the Platinum ECP 7/100000 does not have roadside assistance. Unlike Toyota Canada, brand new US Toyota cars does not have roadside assistance too.

[michelb]

Hi Guys. How do you get around the Mi 6% sales tax when exporting to Canada? Is the car flatbedded and signed at the border?

Thanks

I think the key point is that it has to be delivered out of state (I think some dealers are driving the car to the border and meeting customer there).

[michelb]

If I have 2 equivalent cars with same price in front of me: one from US, and one from local. I will choose the local car, no question.

I agree 100%. I'd have to have some incentive (e.g. saving significant amount) to buy a US car over a Canadian one.

There's the inconvenience of having US speedo/odo, uncertainty / extra hassles with warranty, potential for unknown history, etc

[AGivant]

http://www.toyota.ca/cgi-bin/WebObjects/WWW.woa/39/wo/Home.Vehicles.Pricing-hjr5YegBIX9A2X2UQMUnvw/0.9?fmg%2fvehicles%2fticker%5fv200000e%2ehtml

[st7860]

the new prices are still a joke, $1000 off ? oops!

[niceguy1234]

I think the key point is that it has to be delivered out of state (I think some dealers are driving the car to the border and meeting customer there).

Correction on my post. Toyota US provide full roadside assistance only for their Certified Used vehicles. If you bought a new car, Toyota arranges a free tow to a dealership, but only if the car has a problem covered under the warranty.


http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/tires-auto-parts/car-maintenance/roadside-assistance-7-06/overview/0607_roadside-assistance_ov.htm

[mikew77]

I've seen a couple of guys here say the Dealer written recall clearance letter didn't work at RIV and a couple of guys saying they accept it. I tried the Dealer written recall clearance letter history thing...RIV did not accept it either. Even more interesting, there was no negotiating with RIV...they said poker faced "There is no discussion on this matter, the decision is final in your case number. You must provide a recall clearance letter from the manufacturer." End of discussion. Fortunately Toyota provided me with the letter. I thought it was worth the try and saved me time. Logic says that a dealer should be enabled to provide that information...a dealer who represents that car brand. But we're dealing with government policy here.

I have the letter from a Honda dealership. RIV accepted it without asking anything.

[cinqhoda]

http://www.toyota.ca/cgi-bin/WebObjects/WWW.woa/39/wo/Home.Vehicles.Pricing-hjr5YegBIX9A2X2UQMUnvw/0.9?fmg%2fvehicles%2fticker%5fv200000e%2ehtml

Yeah, they lowered the price on the base level models but increased the price of the option packages. For a loaded RAV4 V6 Limited with the 'B' package there is almost no price change.

Just a few more months and I will be buying a slightly used one in the states.

[iluvtofish]

I agree 100%. I'd have to have some incentive (e.g. saving significant amount) to buy a US car over a Canadian one.

There's the inconvenience of having US speedo/odo, uncertainty / extra hassles with warranty, potential for unknown history, etc


Personally, the US speedo/odo is not much of a problem for me but lets say it is to others. How much of an inconvienience is it? $1000 or $2000.

If I were buying a used vehicle that did not have any warranty left on it, I would be more concerned about who drove the vehicle and what it was used for, accidents etc... then where it came from. When I sell my Tribeca in 7 years (about the average time that I keep my cars) I will have full service records available and proof that I purchased the vehicle new in the US and immediatly imported up into Canada. ICBC will have any accident records available as well. Wouldn't you think that someone would value my Vehicle more over a canadian one that was maybe owned by lots of people or in some sort of rental pool?

[bulgurc]

After a frantic research for over a month, I finally got my car. It cost me about $46500 out the door, all taxes included. A same car in Canada would have cost me $59737, based on MSRP (even after Toyota's much touted price cut). I am assuming realistically I would have been able to negotiate maybe $2500 off that price, so with that calculation I saved about $10650. Not bad for 1 days time off from work to do the import.

Process was very simple as many people reported. The only wrinkle was, the custom's officer forgot to stamp my Form-1, so RIV declined to process (Queenston office was very busy, people are importing one after another, that is all they do). Next day I had to go a local Custom's office to get it stamped. RIV does not allow immediate forms processing anymore, so I drove back to RIV to get form 2 and everything went fine at CT. My car is plated now.

The hardest part was finding a dealer to sell (More on that in my next port)

One thing I did not expect was, MTO charged me tax on Car Price+Duty+Airexcise, not car price. Did other people experienced that? I find that very unfair. You are paying tax on tax

[bulgurc]

The dealer I got my Toyota (in NY) does not mind his name referred. However he needs you to have US insurance on a US address. If you call Statefarm US and tell them you are moving to US they will write you a policy with Canadian driver license. Then you can cancel it once you have the car. The tricky part is the address you give to them. You can give a relatives address (or even a dead address, that is what the salesman suggested). One thing you have to watch is though, for most states he is obliged to charge you state tax. So if your "relative" lives in a tax free state, like Delaware or New Hampshire, it is great help (no tax then). US custom's don't even look the back of the MSO (That is where the address is)

If you PM me, and tell me about yourself and I check your posting history, I will let you know his name if I am convinced you are legit.

[mole11]

There have been numerous inquiries, in regards to the green levy, in particular the Acura MDX. The green tax is a weighted average of city (55%) and highway (45%) km/l. The Acura has a weighted average of 12.09 km/l. The green levy starts at 13 km/l. Therefore no green levy tax on Acura MDX. This link has the weighted average of all vehicles. Going to buy my 2008 MDX tomorrow in the U.S.


http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/whatsnew/items/list_veh-e.pdf

[pdiskul]

Found this on Canada Newswire, but I think it's also a listed "deal" on RFD too. Anyone think this is a good deal? Would Hyundai refuse to sell to me if I live in Ontario?

Article......................

Hyundai Canada introduces Quebec-only Accent

MARKHAM, ON, Feb. 11 /CNW/ - In celebration of its 25th anniversary,
Hyundai Auto Canada Corp. is offering savings of $3,600 to Quebecers on all
models of its highly popular small car, the Hyundai Accent. For a limited
time, both hatchback and sedan models will start at $9,995 beginning Monday, February 11, 2008.
"It is our Silver Anniversary and we wanted to give something back to our
customers," said John Vernile, Vice President, Sales and Marketing, Hyundai
Auto Canada Corp. "We recognize that Quebec is one of our most-important
markets, and it is a small-car market. What better way to celebrate than to
offer a special discount for Quebec?"
The special edition Accent will have unique badging commemorating the
company's 25th anniversary.

Hyundai Auto Canada, established in 1983 and headquartered in Markham
Ontario, is a subsidiary of Hyundai Motor Company of Korea. Hyundai vehicles
are distributed throughout Canada by Hyundai Auto Canada and are sold and
serviced through more than 165 dealerships nationwide.

[st7860]

thats language racism

[sienna owner]

[QUOTE=bulgurc;6402656]The dealer I got my Toyota (in NY) does not mind his name referred. However he needs you to have US insurance on a US address. QUOTE]

CONGRATS bulgurc.

my dealership didn't require an insurance with US address. must be a new thing or not as efficient as mine.

[niceguy1234]

Personally, the US speedo/odo is not much of a problem for me but lets say it is to others. How much of an inconvienience is it? $1000 or $2000.

If I were buying a used vehicle that did not have any warranty left on it, I would be more concerned about who drove the vehicle and what it was used for, accidents etc... then where it came from. When I sell my Tribeca in 7 years (about the average time that I keep my cars) I will have full service records available and proof that I purchased the vehicle new in the US and immediatly imported up into Canada. ICBC will have any accident records available as well. Wouldn't you think that someone would value my Vehicle more over a canadian one that was maybe owned by lots of people or in some sort of rental pool?
If 2 cars are equivalent, again equivalant, local car is more favorable than US imported car. 99 out of 100 people will agree. Discount how much in order to make it more attractive, it depends how old it is.

[atorontoguy]

Process was very simple as many people reported. The only wrinkle was, the custom's officer forgot to stamp my Form-1, so RIV declined to process (Queenston office was very busy, people are importing one after another, that is all they do). Next day I had to go a local Custom's office to get it stamped. RIV does not allow immediate forms processing anymore, so I drove back to RIV to get form 2 and everything went fine at CT. My car is plated now.

Is that true that RIV does not process form and give you form 2 right away? So how long do you have to wait? Do you have to go back there the next day?

[03terminator]

Gm loses $300 mil due to rising Canadian $. Well, thats a shame since the auto co's are creating barriers to trade to keep Canadian prices high in an attempt to partially subsidize the US sales. Its a currency hedge game, not "what the market will bear".

http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=1edf6f2f-3aa8-4654-bc19-b84337b3f0e3&k=90610

[BMNB3tches]

Has anyone bought a Subaru from any of the NY dealers this year? I've emailed 4 dealers clearly stating that I want to BUY! But none of them have gotten back to me. :confused:

[bulgurc]

Is that true that RIV does not process form and give you form 2 right away? So how long do you have to wait? Do you have to go back there the next day?

If you go there, they do. They could not process it that day, because of the missing stamp. So next day I faxed therm form 1 and then called. The lady on the phone told me they cannot process it immediately, although I was promised they would do so the day before. So I ended going there. However later in the afternoon I noticed they emailed me my form 2. So I don't know what to believe now.

[Tender]

Has anyone bought a Subaru from any of the NY dealers this year? I've emailed 4 dealers clearly stating that I want to BUY! But none of them have gotten back to me. :confused:

Did you try Van Bortel? I think they're willing to sell.

[Rossland]

The dealer I got my Toyota (in NY) does not mind his name referred. However he needs you to have US insurance on a US address. If you call Statefarm US and tell them you are moving to US they will write you a policy with Canadian driver license. Then you can cancel it once you have the car. The tricky part is the address you give to them. You can give a relatives address (or even a dead address, that is what the salesman suggested). One thing you have to watch is though, for most states he is obliged to charge you state tax. So if your "relative" lives in a tax free state, like Delaware or New Hampshire, it is great help (no tax then). US custom's don't even look the back of the MSO (That is where the address is)

If you PM me, and tell me about yourself and I check your posting history, I will let you know his name if I am convinced you are legit.

I don't know why you had to jump through these hoops. I bought a car in NY in Oct, and the dealer got a NY transit permit for it. I had to show a letter from my Ont. insurance agent saying the car was covered. The permit cost $10. and was good for 30 days. There was no state sales tax because the car was exported. No US address or US insurance required.

[mangoman]

I don't know why you had to jump through these hoops. I bought a car in NY in Oct, and the dealer got a NY transit permit for it. I had to show a letter from my Ont. insurance agent saying the car was covered. The permit cost $10. and was good for 30 days. There was no state sales tax because the car was exported. No US address or US insurance required.

Well because he bought a Toyota from a border state (as opposed to a BMW or Subaru) and unfortunately Toyota is probably hassling the dealer if he sells a new Toyota directly to a Canadian buyer listing their residence as being in Canada.

[elandev]

Just located a Honda Dealer in Oregon who will work with you on purchasing a Honda Pilot. Is anyone aware of any specific problems importing the Pilot? I have read this thread & others and have not spotted anything other than the lack of warranty.

[Sunspot21]

I am close to purchasing a new 2008 Toyota Sienna LE from a dealer in the US. The dealer is friendly and is giving me a good price. However, he is very worried that I won't get it across the border. He said that they sold a Sienna LE 2 weeks ago and the customer did not get it across the border (he didn't know why, however, as it was another salesperson).

I have verified with him three times that the LE has an immobilizer and daytime running lights. I have phoned RIV and they have confirmed that a 2008 Sienna is acceptable with an immobilizer.

I am obviously confused by the conflicting information. Has anyone been recently rejected or have heard of others being rejected? I have seen recent success stories posted here. But I am interested in any theories about why a 2008 Sienna LE may not have made it across. Thanks.

[d-kim]

I am close to purchasing a new 2008 Toyota Sienna LE from a dealer in the US. The dealer is friendly and is giving me a good price. However, he is very worried that I won't get it across the border. He said that they sold a Sienna LE 2 weeks ago and the customer did not get it across the border (he didn't know why, however, as it was another salesperson).

I have verified with him three times that the LE has an immobilizer and daytime running lights. I have phoned RIV and they have confirmed that a 2008 Sienna is acceptable with an immobilizer.

I am obviously confused by the conflicting information. Has anyone been recently rejected or have heard of others being rejected? I have seen recent success stories posted here. But I am interested in any theories about why a 2008 Sienna LE may not have made it across. Thanks.

read this... http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=477998
they either didn't fax the MSO to the border 72 hours before, or maybe didnt' have all the required documentation...

Make sure you follow through all the steps

[bulgurc]

It did not make it across the boarder or was it rejected at CT inspection? I cannot imagine cars would not let through the border, unless they have not waited for 72 hours. I was in and out of US customs in 2 minutes.

However most Toyota's have "DRL Off"switch where DRL can be disabled. Some inspectors have problems with that

[niceguy1234]

Do expect custom go out and check your car. When I cross the board, both US and CAD custom went out to see the VIN on my car. When I buy ICBC insurance at CAA, the agent also went out to check the VIN too.

If you need to do DRL modification, you may check around and save money. Canadian Tire charge me $280 + tax at the Cambie/Broadway location. I call CT at Richmond No 3 Rd, and they charge $240. Many other place can do it much cheaper too I believe, but make sure they do a good job and not blow out your electronic system.

CT charge $99+tax for the BC Provincial Inspection. OK Tire will charge only $80. If you want to do things in different places instead of one-stop location, then you may save more money.

[DSTU]

I am close to purchasing a new 2008 Toyota Sienna LE from a dealer in the US. The dealer is friendly and is giving me a good price. However, he is very worried that I won't get it across the border. He said that they sold a Sienna LE 2 weeks ago and the customer did not get it across the border (he didn't know why, however, as it was another salesperson).

I have verified with him three times that the LE has an immobilizer and daytime running lights. I have phoned RIV and they have confirmed that a 2008 Sienna is acceptable with an immobilizer.

I am obviously confused by the conflicting information. Has anyone been recently rejected or have heard of others being rejected? I have seen recent success stories posted here. But I am interested in any theories about why a 2008 Sienna LE may not have made it across. Thanks.


Rarely will you get refused at the Canadian Border by Canada - unless its on the inadmissible list or you do not have a letter of admissiability from the pricks at BMW, MB and Volvo.

Most likely Scenario:
The US Border will turn you down if you did not fax/deliver the required documents.

[superwell]

Just looking at the riv list ...and can someone please explain to me how a 2008 2 door nissan altima has different bumpers then it's 4 door brother....man they screw you whereever they can!!!

[ac328]

Do expect custom go out and check your car. When I cross the board, both US and CAD custom went out to see the VIN on my car. When I buy ICBC insurance at CAA, the agent also went out to check the VIN too.



Depends when and where you cross. I crossed at Eastport, Idaho/Kingsgate BC in mid December and neither US Customs nor Canadian Customs bothered to look at my car. All Canadian Customs asked me to do was go out and get the month/year of manufacture from the door jamb label.

It was also 9pm on a Sunday night so that may have has something to do with it.

[michelb]

Do expect custom go out and check your car. When I cross the board, both US and CAD custom went out to see the VIN on my car. When I buy ICBC insurance at CAA, the agent also went out to check the VIN too.

...

Depends when and where you cross. I crossed at Eastport, Idaho/Kingsgate BC in mid December and neither US Customs nor Canadian Customs bothered to look at my car. All Canadian Customs asked me to do was go out and get the month/year of manufacture from the door jamb label.

It was also 9pm on a Sunday night so that may have has something to do with it.

Actually, I think this is the first I hear of someone where customs actually looked at the car. When I crossed neither of them looked at it (I think US customs asked if the vehicle was there).

Canadian customs did ask me to get the month/year of manufacture like ac328.

[PrimeBane]

I received my inspection form from RIV today.

Are the following pretty much standard checks for all imports?

This vehicle requires daytime running lights.
This vehicle requires a French SRS Maintenance label if it is equiped with an airbag that requires periodic maintenance.

Of course I'm at work so I can't check out the vehicle (2007 Saturn Outlook XE) until I get home. :(

[BMNB3tches]

Did you try Van Bortel? I think they're willing to sell.

Yes, Van Bortel was one of the places I contacted.

One of the dealers finally got back to me. I guess this particular dealer was reading this thread...

[ac328]

I received my inspection form from RIV today.

Are the following pretty much standard checks for all imports?

This vehicle requires daytime running lights.
This vehicle requires a French SRS Maintenance label if it is equiped with an airbag that requires periodic maintenance.

Of course I'm at work so I can't check out the vehicle (2007 Saturn Outlook XE) until I get home. :(

That sounds identical to what mine said for my Subaru Outback.

My inspection took less than 1 minute. I drove into the CT garage (not even into a service bay, just drove inside the door). The inspector reads the info from the door label, asks me to turn the ignition on so he can see the mileage, and that was it! Had to wait 20 mins just for that! He faxed the form 2 and stamped form 1, and I was out of there.

Took 3+ weeks to get the final RIV door sticker though.

[PrimeBane]

thanks ac328 :)

I'm itching to get her all registered and plated up... I hate having it just parked in the garage waiting. :(

[ac328]

thanks ac328 :)

I'm itching to get her all registered and plated up... I hate having it just parked in the garage waiting. :(

No worries, congrats on the new ride. BTW I went to the CT on Richmond Road near Sarcee Trail.

Does your car come with DRLs? The Subaru is a slam dunk because it requires zero mods, hard-wired DRLs are standard, even the bilingual airbag sticker is already there. Part of the reason I chose it.

[Tender]

Yes, Van Bortel was one of the places I contacted.

One of the dealers finally got back to me. I guess this particular dealer was reading this thread...

I just called VB yesterday. Their international sales manager is on vacation, thus not replying my e-mails. Not sure if this is the case for the other dealers though.

[PrimeBane]

No worries, congrats on the new ride. BTW I went to the CT on Richmond Road near Sarcee Trail.

Does your car come with DRLs? The Subaru is a slam dunk because it requires zero mods, hard-wired DRLs are standard, even the bilingual airbag sticker is already there. Part of the reason I chose it.

Thanks :) The entire family loves it so far.

I'm almost positive it does have DRLs and I really hope it has bilingual stickers, but it's going to drive me nuts until I can get home tonight. :eek:

Just so I know, how much does the Alberta inspection cost?

[ac328]

Thanks :) The entire family loves it so far.

I'm almost positive it does have DRLs and I really hope it has bilingual stickers, but it's going to drive me nuts until I can get home tonight. :eek:

Just so I know, how much does the Alberta inspection cost?

No idea, inspection not required for brand new cars.

When I moved here from Ontario a couple years ago and brought my old car with me, the BMW dealer charged me $120 for the out-of-province inspection.

Also some registries will give register your car and give you your AB plate without needing Form 2, so you can get your plate before heading to CT. Try Richmond Road Registries in Signal Hill Centre. I got my plate 2 days after arriving back in Calgary with the new ride! Bought a 2+ year plate sticker too, they actually give you a discount for buying a longer term one.

[EL820]

Has anyone bought a Subaru from any of the NY dealers this year? I've emailed 4 dealers clearly stating that I want to BUY! But none of them have gotten back to me. :confused:

Van Bortel Subura is near Rochester NY...they should be able to help you.

I got my vehicle from Hodges Subaru in Detroit MI.

[SeeWhy2]

That sounds identical to what mine said for my Subaru Outback.

My inspection took less than 1 minute. I drove into the CT garage (not even into a service bay, just drove inside the door). The inspector reads the info from the door label, asks me to turn the ignition on so he can see the mileage, and that was it! Had to wait 20 mins just for that! He faxed the form 2 and stamped form 1, and I was out of there.

Took 3+ weeks to get the final RIV door sticker though.

Ditto here except the guy came out to the parking lot to look - never even made it through the door :lol:

[Monsieurmaggot]

It depends where you go for an inspection and when you cross.

When I crossed over at Lewiston NY, the US Customs agent came out and confirmed the VIN number on my car.

Canada Customs was too busy sitting around eating their Timbits(r) to come out.

The Canadian Tire inspection guy checked to see that the daytime running lights were on when the car started, he confirmed the airbag warning had a French language sticker (odd that an American-based car would have that), he checked the speedometre and compared the Recall Letter VIN with what was on the car. In a matter of five minutes we were done. He signed and stamped my FORM 1 and FORM 2 then faxed it to RIV. He also gave me the fax machines' "transmission confirmation". He confirmed that no emission or other testing was required

I guess it's hit and miss.

[niceguy1234]

That sounds identical to what mine said for my Subaru Outback.

My inspection took less than 1 minute. I drove into the CT garage (not even into a service bay, just drove inside the door). The inspector reads the info from the door label, asks me to turn the ignition on so he can see the mileage, and that was it! Had to wait 20 mins just for that! He faxed the form 2 and stamped form 1, and I was out of there.

Took 3+ weeks to get the final RIV door sticker though.

I hoped I was lucky as you. My Toyota Camry SE comes with DRL, but it can be turn off. I waited after 1 hour in CT, then the technician came to me and told me that the DRL did not meet Canadian standard because it had the option to turn off. It should be on all the time once the engin was on.

Then they charged me for $280 to do the wiring to fix the DRL. The whole process for Federal Inspection, Provincial Inspection, and DRL fix took almost 4 hour. Maybe I should pick other CT location. Looks like each CT location does things differently and they charge differently too.

[bulgurc]

I just called VB yesterday. Their international sales manager is on vacation, thus not replying my e-mails. Not sure if this is the case for the other dealers though.

I find calling is a better option to get quotes than emailing. I had about %30 success with email quotes

[pdiskul]

Van Bortel Subura is near Rochester NY...they should be able to help you.

I got my vehicle from Hodges Subaru in Detroit MI.

IF you insist on buying in NY, another place is West Herr Subaru (Orchard Park NY) which is south of Buffalo. Good location if you intend to cross at Niagara.

If you're willing to take a longer drive, you can probably get a better deal going further into the US (try Manchester Subaru in NH).

[petaling108]

Any Saab dealers willing to sell to Canadians despite GM warning Northern Managers not to?

See Carswithoutborders.com

Feb
11 2008
GM - Export Policy & Suspected Exporters!
Tag: GM — Robert Lamb @ 11:27 am
GM is really clamping down. Refer to the attached letter issued by a regional General Manager. They even maintain their own list of “Suspected Exporters”.

With the pending recession coming, I wonder how many American jobs will be lost as they try to protect the overpriced, gluttonous Canadian Market. Why should Canadians pay up to 35 % more for the same car than their American cousins??

gm-export-policy.pdf

[johnsa]

Not huge , but a step in the right direction...

http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/303428

[scouzi]

Not huge , but a step in the right direction...

http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/303428


It's funny on just a few months ago they were saying that with all factored in, prices were fair. And now they adjust.

What a bunch of liars.

[elmst200]

http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/303428
Volkswagen joins move to cut car prices

RICHARD LAUTENS/TORONTO STAR

The distinctive Volkswagen New Beetle, on display at the Toronto auto show, now carries a suggested retail price of $21,975, a 3.5 per cent decrease.

Most big manufacturers still reluctant to meet challenge of rising dollar

Feb 14, 2008 04:30 AM
Tony Van Alphen
Business Reporter

Volkswagen Canada has become the second mainsteam automaker to cut its retail sticker prices in response to the continuing strength of the dollar.

The Ajax-based automaker announced yesterday that it will reduce the key manufacturer's suggested retail price, or MSRP, on most of its models from a few hundred dollars to $5,800 starting on Friday.

"These very significant pricing actions not only demonstrate our commitment to the Canadian market by recognizing the sustained strength of the Canadian dollar but also continue to reinforce Volkswagen's message of affordability," said John White, chief executive officer of Volkswagen Group Canada.

Canadian auto shoppers have complained for months about much lower MSRPs on vehicles in the U.S., despite the rapid rise last fall in the value of the Canadian dollar.

Some luxury automakers such as Audi slashed their manufacturer's prices but all mainstream automakers instead have boosted their incentive packages temporarily in view of the dollar's volatility.

Automakers don't like to change their MSRPs during a model year because they play havoc with planning and budgets and adversely affect the residual values of auto leases.

But the dollar has remained strong and Toyota Canada rocked the industry earlier this month by reducing retail stickers on 16 models.

The company also hinted it would cut them on the 2009 Corolla, Matrix and Camry models when they arrive in showrooms during the next few weeks.

Stephen Beatty, managing director of Toyota Canada, said consumers want a better reflection of the actual price of a vehicle in the manufacturers suggested price.

"Over the medium term, in the next few months, I think the industry is going to lower MSRPs and move to more normal incentive programs," he said in an interview at the Canadian International AutoShow.

Analysts said Toyota's cuts represented a significant move in Canada's intensely competitive auto market and would trigger similar actions by rivals or even higher incentives and benefits for consumers.

However, analysts said some automakers are waiting to see the impact of Toyota's cuts on sales or their own performance in the marketplace before deciding on whether to reduce MSRPs.

They added other companies may just jack up incentives to maintain showroom traffic rather than cut manufacturer's prices.

Senior officials for other automakers have given no indication that they would cut their MSRPs.

Reid Bigland, chief executive officer of Chrysler Canada, said his company boosted incentives late last year and it led to the 18th consecutive month of gains in sales.

One industry source said Honda Canada is seriously considering MSRP cuts, but executive vice-president Jim Miller said the company has no plans and is sticking with incentives.

Marc Comeau, vice-president of General Motors of Canada Ltd., said his company made "adjustments" to some models late last year when the dollar soared.

"It's pretty much behind us now," he said, noting that GM reported strong January sales.

At Ford Motor Co. of Canada Ltd., chief executive officer Barry Engle said his company has remained competitive through incentives. "From the consumer's standpoint, it's really about the final transaction price," Engle said.

Volkswagen, which generates annual Canadian sales of about 37,000, or 2.2 per cent of the market, made its move after its sales tumbled 34 per cent in December and another 18 per cent in January.

Among its cuts, Volkswagen said it would reduce the MSRP of the Rabbit five-door version by $700, or 3.2 per cent, to $20,975; the Jetta A5 sedan by $1,500, or 6.3 per cent, to $21,975; the Passat 2.0T sedan by $3,500, or 11.2 per cent, to $27,475; and the Touareg 2 V-8 luxury sport utility vehicle by $5,800, or 9 per cent, to $58,975.

At the show's media preview, four automakers unveiled five new models that they will build in Ontario including the Ford Flex in Oakville, the Toyota Corolla and Matrix in Cambridge, the Chevrolet Silverado hybrid truck in Oshawa and the Dodge Challenger sports car in Brampton.


Not huge , but a step in the right direction...

http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/303428

[p110232]

Not huge , but a step in the right direction...

http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/303428

Indeed a baby step in the right direction...

Come on everybody, let's all hold our purchases and make this a waiting game in our favor. The bigger the sales decline the better. Manufacturers would take notice, as well as the government (since no new GST/PST taxes are coming in)

:cheesygri

[john_rt]

For all you subaru importers,
have any of you had any positive experiences thus far getting any warranty work done on you cars here in Toronto?

My personal experience: I bought my car last year from Northtown (great dealership) and have been taking it ever since (for oil changes) to Markham Subaru and they have always seemed ok. My healight cracked over the winter and I took it in to see if it was covered under the warranty. (It wasn't and I wasn't really expecting them to.) However, the service manager initially said that he wouldn't cover the car anyway because its american. I told him that thats not what subaru of canada says and that I have an email from them stating this. He then replied that he'd cover it if I show him the email. I asked him then if that was his official policy: Unless the customer knows better, lie to them (as SoC policy is that 2007 and before are covered). Things went downhilll from there.

Anyways, I don't need any warranty work done but I do need an oil change and I rather give my money to a dealer that is going to be (semi-) honest so any references would be appreciated.

Thanks

[bionicbadger]

For all you subaru importers,
have any of you had any positive experiences thus far getting any warranty work done on you cars here in Toronto?

My personal experience: I bought my car last year from Northtown (great dealership) and have been taking it ever since (for oil changes) to Markham Subaru and they have always seemed ok. My healight cracked over the winter and I took it in to see if it was covered under the warranty. (It wasn't and I wasn't really expecting them to.) However, the service manager initially said that he wouldn't cover the car anyway because its american. I told him that thats not what subaru of canada says and that I have an email from them stating this. He then replied that he'd cover it if I show him the email. I asked him then if that was his official policy: Unless the customer knows better, lie to them (as SoC policy is that 2007 and before are covered). Things went downhilll from there.

Anyways, I don't need any warranty work done but I do need an oil change and I rather give my money to a dealer that is going to be (semi-) honest so any references would be appreciated.

Thanks

complain to subaru of canada, the BBB, and your local media consumer troubleshooter/consumer advocate

[shopper-X]

For all you subaru importers,
have any of you had any positive experiences thus far getting any warranty work done on you cars here in Toronto?

My personal experience: I bought my car last year from Northtown (great dealership) and have been taking it ever since (for oil changes) to Markham Subaru and they have always seemed ok. My healight cracked over the winter and I took it in to see if it was covered under the warranty. (It wasn't and I wasn't really expecting them to.) However, the service manager initially said that he wouldn't cover the car anyway because its american. I told him that thats not what subaru of canada says and that I have an email from them stating this. He then replied that he'd cover it if I show him the email. I asked him then if that was his official policy: Unless the customer knows better, lie to them (as SoC policy is that 2007 and before are covered). Things went downhilll from there.

Anyways, I don't need any warranty work done but I do need an oil change and I rather give my money to a dealer that is going to be (semi-) honest so any references would be appreciated.

Thanks

complain to subaru of canada, the BBB, and your local media consumer troubleshooter/consumer advocate

Complain to SCI and SOA about this Service Manager.

Call the SOA 1-800 number and talk to a CSR. Get them to agree with you that the warranty is covered and get the CASE#. Then walk in the stealership and talk with the Owner, General Manager, etc. and call SOA from their office with your CASE#.

Warranty work is their "Bread and Butter", why turn it down especially if you go there for over priced oil changes.

I have had two warranty claims on my 2007 B9 Tribeca. At first the service manager told me that I had to call SOA and get a claim number, so I did. The second time a nice lady at SOA told me that the Service Manager should not be telling customers to call in and that they should be calling in. Well I told the Service Manager that and now they are calling.

----My Warranty Experience----
1st: Passenger side wiper arm cover clip (about 2" wide) cracked and the whole wiper arm needed replacing since the clip is riveted. Stupid design.

2nd: Front Passenger side TPMS valve stem fell off while driving and the tire went flat. They started off saying I hit the curb but the stem is too short and there is no rim scuffing, then they said I kicked it (WTF!!) and that no way it's covered. After I argued with them they called SOA and got it covered. They replaced the valve stem but the sensor is damaged and they have ordered a new one.

[dumbass]

Anyways, I don't need any warranty work done but I do need an oil change and I rather give my money to a dealer that is going to be (semi-) honest so any references would be appreciated.

Thanks

Try Downtown Subaru or Marinos. I've dealt with both and I've had positive results every time (but with a Canadian vehicle, mind you). The Service managers at both locations are really good.

[bulgurc]

I inquired about the sales tax on duty paid (in Ontario). Unfortunately you have to. This is from their site:

RST applies to the total fair value of taxable goods and services brought into Ontario for own use. The total fair value includes:

* the purchase price (in Canadian funds) of goods or services bought outside Canada
* delivery, shipping, or mailing charges billed by the vendor (in Canadian funds)
* customs duties and federal excise taxes paid to bring goods and services into Canada (brokerage charges and federal Goods and Services Tax (GST) are not part of the total fair value)
* any applicable tax for fuel conservation.

[dumbass]

Thanks for all the great info in this thread (it's there, mixed in with the crap).

After reading all the available info, I've decided to head down to the US to buy a 2008 Nissan Pathfinder. I'm looking at a price difference of $11,000:cheesygri .

And the dealership is being extremely helpful (of course).

Hopefully RIV doesn't change the rules in the next couple of weeks.

[lomoX]

Sorry if this has been answer before....

I know Honda won't warrant ANYTHING, whether it is used or not, but what about a used Nissan or Hyundai, will they honor the remaining warranty of a used imported car?

TIA

[NerV]

Sorry if this has been answer before....

I know Honda won't warrant ANYTHING, whether it is used or not, but what about a used Nissan or Hyundai, will they honor the remaining warranty of a used imported car?

TIA

Check this --->>> www.carburner.com

[icanwait]

Has anyone noticed that Hyundai Canada is giving a $5000 discount on a $14995 Accent to Quebec residents only?

Isn't it interesting that they can give a 33% discound even on the speacially made for Canada vehicles?

Imagine what discounts they could give on the rest of the models.

Imagine the discounts that all the other manufacturers could give.

[niceguy1234]

I have not had any warranty issue with my Toyota Camry yet. Does any one here has difficulty with Toyota dealer when you come in for factory warranty service (ie. to fix anything that is under warranty) with your US imported car?

[Georgian]

Has anyone noticed that Hyundai Canada is giving a $5000 discount on a $14995 Accent to Quebec residents only?

Isn't it interesting that they can give a 33% discound even on the speacially made for Canada vehicles?

Imagine what discounts they could give on the rest of the models.

Imagine the discounts that all the other manufacturers could give.

Basically in terms of price, Toyota just re-priced their cars based on 90 cents loonie (a step closer to reality, but still way off). Other manufacturers (especially Honda) are still priced at 85 cents loonie, while sitting there hoping high flying loonie to drop. My take - If you are cash buyer over 20K, go south (for Rdfers, maybe 15K). Till the day those
manufactuers wake up...

[icanwait]

Manufacturers have been giving lame excuses for not matching US prices - then not only do they prove than they can easily offer fair prices - but they limit it to one province. You must be a Quebec resident.

So now buyers on either side of Quebec are being blatently ripped off for the sake of a few miles.

What does that say to buyers across Canada? What possible excuse can they give?

People on this forum that haven't crossed the border to buy in the US are telling each other to hold off buying in Canada.

How outraged would you be to pay $5000 extra if you buy an Accent anywhere in Canada other than Quebec?

Hyundai exposed themselves for what they can do in adjusting prices - and that goes for every other manufacturer\distributor in Canada.

What about competitors? How can they compete in Quebec? Will they all have special deals on certain models - only in Quebec?

I can't believe the arrogance of these lying companies that say one thing and do another as if buyers don't notice - or care.

[Cars4Canadians]

The entire industry makes me sick.

The american companies losing money, while at the same time gouging Canadians, i hope they choke on the profits, stupid idiots.

[GougingCarCartelGroup]

Found this on Canada Newswire, but I think it's also a listed "deal" on RFD too. Anyone think this is a good deal? Would Hyundai refuse to sell to me if I live in Ontario?

Article......................

Hyundai Canada introduces Quebec-only Accent

MARKHAM, ON, Feb. 11 /CNW/ - In celebration of its 25th anniversary,
Hyundai Auto Canada Corp. is offering savings of $3,600 to Quebecers on all
models of its highly popular small car, the Hyundai Accent. For a limited
time, both hatchback and sedan models will start at $9,995 beginning Monday, February 11, 2008.
"It is our Silver Anniversary and we wanted to give something back to our
customers," said John Vernile, Vice President, Sales and Marketing, Hyundai
Auto Canada Corp. "We recognize that Quebec is one of our most-important
markets, and it is a small-car market. What better way to celebrate than to
offer a special discount for Quebec?"
The special edition Accent will have unique badging commemorating the
company's 25th anniversary.

Hyundai Auto Canada, established in 1983 and headquartered in Markham
Ontario, is a subsidiary of Hyundai Motor Company of Korea. Hyundai vehicles
are distributed throughout Canada by Hyundai Auto Canada and are sold and
serviced through more than 165 dealerships nationwide.

That Korean car company is ********.... their crap cars are overpriced by a mile and a half. I wouldn't want to drive one for free to be honest. Ugly freaking cars.

[ryandk]

If I get a friend in the US to buy a new car for me, how does the transfer of title work?

I'll be buying a car in WA state through a friend who lives out-of-state, so I won't have to pay WA state tax. Can my friend transfer title to me without registering it in her home state? Should this transfer occur before or after I bring the car into Canada (I've often read on this board that it doesn't matter whose name the car is in when you bring the car over the border.) Are there any tax implications if the title is transferred after I bring the car into Canada?

Thanks.

[sureshmysore]

You are mistaken - next time do some research.

Jeremy Clasrkson

“The fact of the matter is this. The 135 coupé is the best car BMW makes. I have no hesitation at all, then, in giving this long-awaited return to form the rare accolade of five stars.”

Perhaps you should re-read my post.
I said that the BMW 135 was handily beaten by VW R32 which is also a car cheaper than the BMW 135

[eastsidesubaru]

Hey guys just wanted to drop by and say hey :cheesygri
FYI I can still sell new subaru to Canada, just pricing has changed.

And as always shameless plug for http://www.carburner.com/ :) Ad-free, user-run.

[EL820]

IF you insist on buying in NY, another place is West Herr Subaru (Orchard Park NY) which is south of Buffalo. Good location if you intend to cross at Niagara.

If you're willing to take a longer drive, you can probably get a better deal going further into the US (try Manchester Subaru in NH).

I priced my vehicle from all the dealers near Buffalo. The closer to the border, the more money they want. From my experience, Northtown Subaru was more receptive to price negotiation. Van Bortel was very helpful as well, but they absolutely will not move on their internet price. The other dealers around Buffalo were very helpful at all.

Manchester were helpful and they had decent pricing, but they are also 9 to 10 hrs from Toronto. I eventually went with Hodges Subaru for price and convenience (US Custom opens 24/7 at Detroit border). Hodges was cheaper than all the Buffalo dealers, and slightly more than Manchester, but if you factor in time & travelling cost to Manchester I'm sure it's a wash.

[stock_junkie]

Wow $46,500 sounds high... what Highlander did you get??? I bought a brand new 2008 Highlander Sport (leather, bigger rims, tint) with alot of extra options for alot less including duty and taxes.

By the way my Highlander is for sale if anyone is interested. It only has 1600 miles on it, mostly from the drive back from the U.S.

Wife is out of a job in a few weeks and I can't afford it on a single income.

PM me if interested.


After a frantic research for over a month, I finally got my car. It cost me about $46500 out the door, all taxes included. A same car in Canada would have cost me $59737, based on MSRP (even after Toyota's much touted price cut). I am assuming realistically I would have been able to negotiate maybe $2500 off that price, so with that calculation I saved about $10650. Not bad for 1 days time off from work to do the import.

Process was very simple as many people reported. The only wrinkle was, the custom's officer forgot to stamp my Form-1, so RIV declined to process (Queenston office was very busy, people are importing one after another, that is all they do). Next day I had to go a local Custom's office to get it stamped. RIV does not allow immediate forms processing anymore, so I drove back to RIV to get form 2 and everything went fine at CT. My car is plated now.

The hardest part was finding a dealer to sell (More on that in my next port)

One thing I did not expect was, MTO charged me tax on Car Price+Duty+Airexcise, not car price. Did other people experienced that? I find that very unfair. You are paying tax on tax

[bulgurc]

Wow $46,500 sounds high... what Highlander did you get??? I bought a brand new 2008 Highlander Sport (leather, bigger rims, tint) with alot of extra options for $38,400 including duty and taxes.

By the way my Highlander is for sale if anyone is interested. It only has 1600 miles on it, mostly from the drive back from the U.S. And when you buy privately you save the PST which saves you almost $3000 right away.

Wife is out of a job in a few weeks and I can't afford it on a single income.

PM me if interested.
It is 4x4 Limited with everything (inc. Navigation) except the rear DVD player + running boards + cross bars. MSRP of these cars is 41250, if you can get it for 38400 with all taxes (that adds up 19.1% percent) my hat is to you. That was my price before taxes from the dealership.
At private sales you do not save pst, but gst (%5 instead of 8)

[superwell]

It is 4x4 Limited with everything (inc. Navigation) except the rear DVD player + running boards + cross bars. MSRP of these cars is 41250, if you can get it for 38400 with all taxes (that adds up 19.1% percent) my hat is to you. That was my price before taxes from the dealership.
At private sales you do not save pst, but gst (%5 instead of 8)

pictures will help out the sale...man wish I had the cash..I would be all over this.

[bulgurc]

If I get a friend in the US to buy a new car for me, how does the transfer of title work?

I'll be buying a car in WA state through a friend who lives out-of-state, so I won't have to pay WA state tax. Can my friend transfer title to me without registering it in her home state? Should this transfer occur before or after I bring the car into Canada (I've often read on this board that it doesn't matter whose name the car is in when you bring the car over the border.) Are there any tax implications if the title is transferred after I bring the car into Canada?

Thanks.
That depends on the home state rules, but probable no tax. I called MA DMV to ask about that. The rule is that the car cannot be registered in home state and needs to exported directly from the away state. All you need is the Bill of Sale (Prepared usually ahead of time, but dated on the date of the sale). If you register it, they will charge you State sales tax. Dealership has to issue something temporary.
Something to investigate: states have agreements with each other. Even though you buy out of state, they might charge you sales tax (of the home state tax rate). It is hard to argue with the dealership when you cannot tell them the car would be taken out of US. Works best when home state does not have agreements with the away state or home state does not have any retail sales tax.

[zenon]

I suspect that it's very unlikely that anything will ever happen if you don't export but US border has pretty much absolute power when you go through so if you ever try to cross and they decide to search your car and then decide to run the VIN and notice that you never exported it, they could certainly give you a lot of trouble.

That being said, if you sent them the document and entered the US specifically to export the vehicle, I imagine they'd be fine (they might give you hell about not following proper procedure but that's about it). However do you still have the original? I don't remember but I don't think we received the original back when I imported a vehicle earlier this year (I think Ontario's Ministry of Transport might have keep it) so at this point, you might be too late ...

The bigger problem with not exporting (especially serious if you don't have the original US title anymore) is that technically, the vehicle still has legal registration in the US so there's nothing that would prevent the previous owner from claiming the registration was lost to get a new one and then claiming that the vehicle has been stolen ...


While waiting for my RIV inspection to be done last night at Canadian Tire, the service manager told me that he does about 100 inspections a month just for used car dealers in ottawa who buy cars at auction in the US and ship them up. He actually sends a guy out to their location to do all the inspections so they don't need to come into Canadian Tire. I wonder if all these vehicles are having their Title stamped for export by US customs; I kind of doubt it. The final purchaser of the car in Canada would have no way of verifying wether this was done or not. So they could conceivably have problems if they drive their car into the US and the US authourties determine the car wasn't properly exported. Extremely unlikely I know, but still

[shopper-X]

While waiting for my RIV inspection to be done last night at Canadian Tire, the service manager told me that he does about 100 inspections a month just for used car dealers in ottawa who buy cars at auction in the US and ship them up. He actually sends a guy out to their location to do all the inspections so they don't need to come into Canadian Tire. I wonder if all these vehicles are having their Title stamped for export by US customs; I kind of doubt it. The final purchaser of the car in Canada would have no way of verifying wether this was done or not. So they could conceivably have problems if they drive their car into the US and the US authourties determine the car wasn't properly exported. Extremely unlikely I know, but still

If you are having it shipped, when it crosses customs the title is most likely stamped. I had new vehicle shipped and the towing company had the title stamped at US Customs and A&B Customs Brokerage paid all the fees on the Canadian side.

[vim]

I wonder if all these vehicles are having their Title stamped for export by US customs; I kind of doubt it.

When I was importing my car, at US customs I parked my car by the big truck with about 10-12 used cars on it. When I came into US customs office, driver of the truck was handed in stack of stamped documents. So I do believe that most decent car dealers are following proper car export from US procedures.

[michelb]

When I was importing my car, at US customs I parked my car by the big truck with about 10-12 used cars on it. When I came into US customs office, driver of the truck was handed in stack of stamped documents. So I do believe that most decent car dealers are following proper car export from US procedures.

Yeah, I'd be very surprised if used dealers aren't following proper procedure - it's just not worth it for them not to (stopping to stamp one vehicle is kind of a pain but stopping to stamp 10 doesn't really take any more time so why not do it). Also it would probably be hard for them not to do it anyway; all commercial vehicles are stopped at customs.

[mikered]

I have not had any warranty issue with my Toyota Camry yet. Does any one here has difficulty with Toyota dealer when you come in for factory warranty service (ie. to fix anything that is under warranty) with your US imported car?

I went down to the dealership in town here and they had no issues. They put my vehicle into the system which shows that it still has warranty.They were happy to get the service.I aslo have an extended warranty as the vehicle was a "toyota certified Vehicle " meaning it has a 7/100000 mile powertrain warranty and roadside assistance which I have warranty cards for and the dealer took that information as well.

[scouzi]

Has anyone noticed that Hyundai Canada is giving a $5000 discount on a $14995 Accent to Quebec residents only?

Isn't it interesting that they can give a 33% discound even on the speacially made for Canada vehicles?

Imagine what discounts they could give on the rest of the models.

Imagine the discounts that all the other manufacturers could give.

Usually,

It's quite the opposite that happens in Quebec. We pay more for everything else.

[michelb]

I went down to the dealership in town here and they had no issues. They put my vehicle into the system which shows that it still has warranty.They were happy to get the service.I aslo have an extended warranty as the vehicle was a "toyota certified Vehicle " meaning it has a 7/100000 mile powertrain warranty and roadside assistance which I have warranty cards for and the dealer took that information as well.

FYI, I was told by Toyota USA a few weeks ago that the 'Toyota Certified Used Vehicle' warranty on US vehicles wasn't valid in Canada (but they said that the original and the Toyota 'Vehicle Service Agreement' (extended warranty) was). If you do want an extended warranty, you should confirm if in fact your 'certified vehicle warranty' is valid in Canada since if not, you can buy the Platinum 7/100/0 for under $1k but you have to do it while you are still covered under the original warranty.

[Rehan]

FYI, I was told by Toyota USA a few weeks ago that the 'Toyota Certified Used Vehicle' warranty on US vehicles wasn't valid in Canada (but they said that the original and the Toyota 'Vehicle Service Agreement' (extended warranty) was). If you do want an extended warranty, you should confirm if in fact your 'certified vehicle warranty' is valid in Canada since if not, you can buy the Platinum 7/100/0 for under $1k but you have to do it while you are still covered under the original warranty. http://www.toyota.com/html/tcuv/warranty.html says: "Valid at over 1,400 Toyota dealerships in the U.S. and Canada"

Note that there's a difference between "transferrable to Canada" and "valid in Canada". I could see how Toyota USA would not allow the TCUV warranty to be transferred to Toyota Canada. But they state very clearly on their website that it's valid in Canada, which (if accurate) would imply that the dealer bills Toyota USA instead of Toyota Canada.

[michelb]

http://www.toyota.com/html/tcuv/warranty.html says: "Valid at over 1,400 Toyota dealerships in the U.S. and Canada"

Note that there's a difference between "transferrable to Canada" and "valid in Canada". I could see how Toyota USA would not allow the TCUV warranty to be transferred to Toyota Canada. But they state very clearly on their website that it's valid in Canada, which (if accurate) would imply that the dealer bills Toyota USA instead of Toyota Canada.

We'd have to get the exact terms and conditions from the warranty to know for sure as that link doesn't give that much detail (does specify 'All information herein applies to U.S. vehicles only.' in the fine print though - depends how they define that). Honda USA's warranty is also valid in Canada as well but not for exported vehicles (unless by original owner ...) so this could be the same.

In any case, I'm just repeating what I was told by Toyota USA customer service a few weeks ago when I called them regarding buying a used Toyota from the US and importing into Canada.

[importcar]

Has anyone avoided paying state taxes by shipping the car to the border? Once I get to the Canadian side, what do I do? Can I drive the car? Can someone please explain what the difference is between registration and titling? Thank you.

[pdiskul]

I priced my vehicle from all the dealers near Buffalo. The closer to the border, the more money they want. From my experience, Northtown Subaru was more receptive to price negotiation. Van Bortel was very helpful as well, but they absolutely will not move on their internet price. The other dealers around Buffalo were very helpful at all.

Manchester were helpful and they had decent pricing, but they are also 9 to 10 hrs from Toronto. I eventually went with Hodges Subaru for price and convenience (US Custom opens 24/7 at Detroit border). Hodges was cheaper than all the Buffalo dealers, and slightly more than Manchester, but if you factor in time & travelling cost to Manchester I'm sure it's a wash.

I thought MI was one of those states where you were required to pay the
state taxes. If you managed to get out of paying the state taxes, could you share how you did?

[ryandk]

Here's the deal: the WA state dealer knows exactly what I want to do. They are willing to sell to sell the new car to me through my friend who lives in MI, a state that has no reciprocal tax agreement with WA state. They'll do the paperwork via FedEx, and I will take the car directly from the dealership over the border into Canada.

So -- I know for certain that state tax won't be an issue. I'm just wondering about title and ownership. Does my friend need to transfer ownership to me before I bring it over the border? Or do I do it when I register the car?

Does anything official need to be done when transferring ownership? Or will a typed bill-of-sale between my friend and myself be enough?

Thanks.


That depends on the home state rules, but probable no tax. I called MA DMV to ask about that. The rule is that the car cannot be registered in home state and needs to exported directly from the away state. All you need is the Bill of Sale (Prepared usually ahead of time, but dated on the date of the sale). If you register it, they will charge you State sales tax. Dealership has to issue something temporary.
Something to investigate: states have agreements with each other. Even though you buy out of state, they might charge you sales tax (of the home state tax rate). It is hard to argue with the dealership when you cannot tell them the car would be taken out of US. Works best when home state does not have agreements with the away state or home state does not have any retail sales tax.

[cordarone]

Based on the info from the first post in this thread (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=477998), the bill of sale between you and your friend may be enough.

Apparently, US Customs does not care whether the name on the Bill of Sale given by the dealer is yours or a friend's/relative's for new cars. So, you can show them the Bill of Sale officially issued by your dealer to the name of whoever purchased the car for you. If you're asked about it, you can just state that you're transporting the vehicle to Canada on behalf of your American friend/relative. Canadian Customs, however, requires the Bill of Sale to be in your name and will likely ask to see it - which is why you must draw up a bill of sale between the buyer (buyer = the American friend/relative) and you.

[ericky]

Based on the info from the first post in this thread (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=477998), the bill of sale between you and your friend may be enough.

From what's been posted before, you should export the car as the shipper for your friend for US customs purposes. After US export, basically on the bridge between the US and Canada you can execute your purchase and sale agreement and import to Canada under your own name. I'd try to verify elsewhere as I'm just repeating what has been previously posted. Let us know if it works!

[bulgurc]

I think a lot of people have done it like that. US customs never looks at the back of the MSO anyway. What I would do is though, just in case, to get a letter from your friend which would authorize you to transport and export the car to Canada, just in case they question you at the US border.

[EL820]

I thought MI was one of those states where you were required to pay the
state taxes. If you managed to get out of paying the state taxes, could you share how you did?


I didn't have to do anything really. I simply told Hodges Subaru that I'm not to pay the MI tax and they handled everything else.

To be honest, I was concerned but they assured me several times that I will not be paying the tax. Everything worked out smoothly.

A friend was looking for a Subaru and he went to Hodges and they drove back the vehicle last week...no MI tax.

[mikered]

FYI, I was told by Toyota USA a few weeks ago that the 'Toyota Certified Used Vehicle' warranty on US vehicles wasn't valid in Canada (but they said that the original and the Toyota 'Vehicle Service Agreement' (extended warranty) was). If you do want an extended warranty, you should confirm if in fact your 'certified vehicle warranty' is valid in Canada since if not, you can buy the Platinum 7/100/0 for under $1k but you have to do it while you are still covered under the original warranty.

When I bought the vehicle in November they(Toyota USA) told the dealership that they would not honor the Certified Warranty in Canada so the dealer(in Minnesota) was going to refund me the money but the next day the salesman phoned me back and said they would honor it.They(Toyota USA) then sent me the warranty cards to my address in Canada, maybe they arent honoring them any longer, I made it under the wire perhaps. I have all the documentation(certified warranty cards from Toyota USA etc.)

[Sunspot21]

A US dealer who is willing to sell a new Sienna to me is telling me that they can only provide "title" documents and not the MSO. Is this the ordinary practice or is it usually the MSO for new purchases?

Is the import process any different or difficult with title instead of the MSO?

[bargainhuntr]

[A US dealer who is willing to sell a new Sienna to me is telling me that they can only provide "title" documents and not the MSO. Is this the ordinary practice or is it usually the MSO for new purchases?

Is the import process any different or difficult with title instead of the MSO?]

Depending on the state, if titled within, they may want to charge state sales tax. This happened to me in Ohio. The dealer insisted he could not sign the MSO over to me. Wanted me to title and pay 6%. I purchased in different state and received MSO from dealer which I crossed border with. As to your question, both the title or MSO are ownership documents. If your dealer wishes to title the vehicle with no tax I don't think there would be any difference.

[bulgurc]

Some states (like OHIO) will retain the MSO. Border will accept the title, according to DMV of Ohio (I called them)

[nornet]

Some states (like OHIO) will retain the MSO. Border will accept the title, according to DMV of Ohio (I called them)

Wouldn't it be prudent to call customs directly and not rely on what the DMV says?

[Rossland]

Has anyone avoided paying state taxes by shipping the car to the border? Once I get to the Canadian side, what do I do? Can I drive the car? Can someone please explain what the difference is between registration and titling? Thank you.

If you are buying from a dealer ask for a temp or trip permit, and with your Cdn address on the bill of sale you won't have to pay state sales tax. Then you don't have to ship it. You can drive it home if you wish. Research the procedure for importing. There are several good info sites on the web, including this one.

[ryley]

Hi,

I read this thread until late november last year until the immobilizer issue came up. Now I can't seem to be able to find how that got resolved (or didn't). As I would like to import a Camry from the US can somebody point me in the right direction or offer some advise? Can a Camry manufactured after sept 1 be imported or it is inadmissible because of the immobilizer (or lack of)?

I would appreciate any help.

Thanks

[GoogleFish]

http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/304028

Toyota drops Canadian prices on five models


Feb 15, 2008 02:03 PM
THE CANADIAN PRESS
Trying to stay competitive in a slowing automotive industry, Toyota Canada Inc. is lowering prices on the 2009 Corolla, Matrix, Camry and Camry Hybrid and the 2008 Sequoia.

Statistics Canada reported Friday that the auto sector suffered a 24.9 per cent cutback in production in November and is expected to remain weak for the first quarter of this year.

Toyota (NYSE: TM), which ships much of its Canadian production to the United States, has also been hit hard by the soaring Canadian dollar.

The company's move to lower pricing follows recent adjustments on manufacturer's suggested retail prices, or MSRPs, on 16 Toyota and Lexus nameplates, the company said Friday in a release. Other automakers have made similar moves recently and dealers may sell for less.

Toyota said the MSRP adjustments range from $1,220 to $13,535, compared with comparable prior-year base models, depending on model and package.

"We are pleased to make things better for those considering purchasing, leasing or financing these popular models, which together accounted for almost half of our 2007 Canadian sales," stated Stephen Beatty, Toyota managing director.

"We will continue to monitor the Canadian market and take action to provide transparent and consistent value for our customers."

The 2009 Corolla will have a starting price of $14,565, down $1,220, the lowest introductory price for the vehicle since the 1997 model year. The 2009 Matrix goes for $15,705, an MSRP adjustment of $1,495 versus the comparable base model 2008 Matrix.

The 2009 Camry sports a lower price of $23,400, lower by $2,500, while the Camry Hybrid costs $30,660, off $1,340. They also have some new features.

The Sequoia now sells for $44,675, down $13,535, the lowest starting price in Canada since 2001. It features a more powerful 5.7-litre engine.

[jnmontario]

http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/304028

Toyota drops Canadian prices on five models


Feb 15, 2008 02:03 PM
THE CANADIAN PRESS
Trying to stay competitive in a slowing automotive industry, Toyota Canada Inc. is lowering prices on the 2009 Corolla, Matrix, Camry and Camry Hybrid and the 2008 Sequoia.

... It features a more powerful 5.7-litre engine.

I notice that conspicuously absent is the hot-selling Prius and Sienna who's "recent price adjustment" still leaves it with a 10k+ price gap (Prius) and 18+k price gap (Sienna) between Canada and the states. Would it be worth my time and expense to simply buy a used Prius here in Canada? For a thousand or two, if I bought in Canada, I'd avoid the hassle of having to go to the States and go through the mound of paperwork with dealerships, banks, RIV etc...Additionally, I'd get the Toyota Used Certification which I don't get by buying used in the States and exporting. However, I will NEVER buy another car from the major manufacturers in Canada. I'm buying a used Prius and 'only' saving a couple thousand just to spite the stupid Toyota Canada. Screw them.

[leseuldaniel]

http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/304028

Toyota drops Canadian prices on five models

.[/I]

Humm... interesting.

I am a harsh critic of the canadian manufacturers, but I have to admit this seems to me like a significant step. NO, it is not enough, NO it is worth nothing if the additional incentives are removed and NO it does not match the US prices...

But, a drop of 8-10% on the corolla and camry will without a doubt in my mind force the direct competitors such as Honda, Nissan and Mazda to adjust their comparable 2009 models to remain competitive. This is especially true in Qc where agreements between Toyota dealerships almost completely prevents negociations below MSRP.

Let's see how this unfolds...

[bargainhuntr]

Hi,

I read this thread until late november last year until the immobilizer issue came up. Now I can't seem to be able to find how that got resolved (or didn't). As I would like to import a Camry from the US can somebody point me in the right direction or offer some advise? Can a Camry manufactured after sept 1 be imported or it is inadmissible because of the immobilizer (or lack of)?

I would appreciate any help.

Thanks
If your Camry has a factory installed electronic immobilizer it is admissible. Check on this site as it often changes.

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/Explanations.htm

[mikeroyal]

:confused:

Hi
Have just brought myself a 2000 Corvette :lol: from LA.
If I want to fly down and drive back to BC how do I get Insurance ICBC don’t seem to cover vehicles in the US unless it has been registered in BC first.
Will the DMV in California offer insurance to me or will they only cover Californian residents as I have to drive back via Oregon and Washington states will I have to get insurance individually from each state.
Or will insurance from California cover me.
Also do I have to get temporary plates or can I use the previous owners that are still on the car.
If anybody has travelled this route then please let me know how you achieved it thanks in Advance for any help.

[tor98]

Has anyone avoided paying state taxes by shipping the car to the border? Once I get to the Canadian side, what do I do? Can I drive the car? Can someone please explain what the difference is between registration and titling? Thank you.

Yes, I did. I purchased my car in California and asked the shipping company to deliver it to Lewiston bridge. Then, I got a temp permit from Ontario and drove the car back to Toronto.

[HP_John]

Has anyone avoided paying state taxes by shipping the car to the border? Once I get to the Canadian side, what do I do? Can I drive the car? Can someone please explain what the difference is between registration and titling? Thank you.

I shipped from Cali to Buffalo. Had to go to a NY state DMV (there are tons of locations) & get a intransit permit (NY doesn't have temp license plates).

You need to either have a "insurance binder", or a detailed letter from your insurer (a long list of stuff it must say), faxed to that NY DMV. The regular insurance paper is NOT enough.

Permit cost $10, & you must be insured before driving.

[james-007]

:confused:

Hi
Have just brought myself a 2000 Corvette :lol: from LA.
If I want to fly down and drive back to BC how do I get Insurance ICBC don’t seem to cover vehicles in the US unless it has been registered in BC first.
Will the DMV in California offer insurance to me or will they only cover Californian residents as I have to drive back via Oregon and Washington states will I have to get insurance individually from each state.
Or will insurance from California cover me.
Also do I have to get temporary plates or can I use the previous owners that are still on the car.
If anybody has travelled this route then please let me know how you achieved it thanks in Advance for any help.

You need to get Binder insurance.

[Marzipan]

:confused:

Hi
Have just brought myself a 2000 Corvette :lol: from LA.
If I want to fly down and drive back to BC how do I get Insurance ICBC don’t seem to cover vehicles in the US unless it has been registered in BC first.
Will the DMV in California offer insurance to me or will they only cover Californian residents as I have to drive back via Oregon and Washington states will I have to get insurance individually from each state.
Or will insurance from California cover me.
Also do I have to get temporary plates or can I use the previous owners that are still on the car.
If anybody has travelled this route then please let me know how you achieved it thanks in Advance for any help.

Won't address insurance because I don't know.

I'm considering a Washington or Oregon purchase and have found that:

1) Oregon trip permit is good for 30 days, can be purchased by mail, there is no form, cost $20.00.

2) Washington trip permit can be bought from Dep't of Licencing offices or their agents, but how can you make that work, good for 3 days, costs $25.00 from DoL or more from agent.

3) Came across this statement in a WA gov't publication "The buyer of a motor vehicle, trailer, or camper is authorized to use a trip permit from his or her state of residency in lieu of a Washington state vehicle trip permit". I have enquired whether this applies to a Province.

So, it seems to be a pain to legally traverse two or more states. In WA, the dealer may not lent his dealer plates. Add up the cost and hassle and getting from CA to the BC border may be best done by a car carrier. I'd say you have to be at the US side parking lot to meet the transporter - so choose a carrier that has a good reputation for communicating.

[Marzipan]

Hi,

I read this thread until late november last year until the immobilizer issue came up. Now I can't seem to be able to find how that got resolved (or didn't). As I would like to import a Camry from the US can somebody point me in the right direction or offer some advise? Can a Camry manufactured after sept 1 be imported or it is inadmissible because of the immobilizer (or lack of)?

I would appreciate any help.

Thanks

The immobilizer issue is dealt with by Transport Canada in the list of vehicles. (http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/VAFUS.pdf) See item 9. IMMOBILIZERS in the Explanations section.

[Marzipan]

http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/304028

Toyota drops Canadian prices on five models



I went to both Toyota USA and Canada sites to compare prices. They are difficult to compare because the Web pages are presented very differently. What I found was that the US pricing included options not included for Canada. But if you persist and compare same products I am sure that the huge price difference is still there.

It looks great to find the base 2009 Matrix $1,500 cheaper than base 2008 was (last week) but when I added auto, cruise, air etc. I had to go to the next trim level and found the vehicle not competitive with a GM product.

[Danno2005]

I went to both Toyota USA and Canada sites to compare prices. They are difficult to compare because the Web pages are presented very differently. What I found was that the US pricing included options not included for Canada. But if you persist and compare same products I am sure that the huge price difference is still there.

It looks great to find the base 2009 Matrix $1,500 cheaper than base 2008 was (last week) but when I added auto, cruise, air etc. I had to go to the next trim level and found the vehicle not competitive with a GM product.

Seems like the manufacturers are playing the base model price reduction game where the base - which is 1% of the buyer profile - is discounted. The Lexus 250 is the same game. As soon as you go up trim levels, back to normal rip off prices.

[pulsar]

:confused:

Hi
Have just brought myself a 2000 Corvette :lol: from LA.
If I want to fly down and drive back to BC how do I get Insurance ICBC don’t seem to cover vehicles in the US unless it has been registered in BC first.
Will the DMV in California offer insurance to me or will they only cover Californian residents as I have to drive back via Oregon and Washington states will I have to get insurance individually from each state.
Or will insurance from California cover me.
Also do I have to get temporary plates or can I use the previous owners that are still on the car.
If anybody has travelled this route then please let me know how you achieved it thanks in Advance for any help.


This is from ICBC website (http://www.icbc.com/faqs/vehicle/bring_backpu.asp)

On a different note: do new vehicles from the USA require a provincial inspection in BC? I'm pretty sure new vehicles from other provinces don't require it but I'm not sure about the USA.

[jimgiggles]

Hey guys,

I just purchased a 2005 Chevy Equinox off a very reputable dealer in Chicago. I am gonna be picking up the car Tuesday and he has already submitted all the forms over to the us border, so the 72 hours is clear. Only thing we overlooked was the Recall Clearance Letter from GM. Will not having this letter hinder me getting the car to my house?

I have read all over the place, and can't seem to find a definitive answer. Basically, what I am asking is, will i be able to get the car to my door without that letter? Because monday is presidents day, and the queenston/lewiston bridge is closed for usa exporting, I am going to assume that GM will also be closed..

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

[bulgurc]

You need the letter. You can probable bring in through the border without it, but you cannot get it inspected and plated without it. Sometimes RIV accepts a letter with the dealer printing the list of the outstanding recall repairs needed on the car, on the dealer stationery and stamping it. But I believe that depends on the make

[PrimeBane]

You could call GM Vintage Vehicles and have them provide a recall letter. They'll fax it directly to RIV.

Once you call, they'll provide you with either a fax, or a PDF via email that you can fax back to them.

The downside is it costs $250 CDN.

[Marzipan]

Hey guys,

I just purchased a 2005 Chevy Equinox off a very reputable dealer in Chicago. I am gonna be picking up the car Tuesday and he has already submitted all the forms over to the us border, so the 72 hours is clear. Only thing we overlooked was the Recall Clearance Letter from GM. Will not having this letter hinder me getting the car to my house?

I have read all over the place, and can't seem to find a definitive answer. Basically, what I am asking is, will i be able to get the car to my door without that letter? Because monday is presidents day, and the queenston/lewiston bridge is closed for usa exporting, I am going to assume that GM will also be closed..

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

The clearest, most authorative source of information on importing is How to Import a Vehicle into Canada (http://www.riv.ca/english/html/how_to_import.html) - a Transport Canada link.

The recall letter is about ensuring that the vehicle is safe for putting on Canadian roads. That is it can be imported but not registered without a recall letter. (Presumably, TC don't mind you driving a vehicle needing recall work to your home.)

The best place to get the letter - even after taking it home - is from the seller who presumably had the right to be assured that his vehicle was free of recall safety defects.

[jimgiggles]

I understand exactly what i need to do.. I have no prob's with getting the letter, its just the time i need it. Do i always have to pay $250 for that letter? Or is that if i need it faxed to riv?

And.. will i be able to drive my car home without it?

[PrimeBane]

No, you don't need the letter to cross the border... you just need to send it to RIV within 45 days of importing.

No one asked for mine when I crossed at the Manitoba/ND crossing.

You only need to pay for the Letter if you get it from GM Vintage.

[Beradon]

Perhaps you should re-read my post.
I said that the BMW 135 was handily beaten by VW R32 which is also a car cheaper than the BMW 135BMW is praying that you'll pay more for the name and quality of a BMW over a VW. :lol:
Believe me there are stupid people out there that will pay thousands more if it'll provide them with a sense of exclusivity.


Indeed a baby step in the right direction...

Come on everybody, let's all hold our purchases and make this a waiting game in our favor. The bigger the sales decline the better. Manufacturers would take notice, as well as the government (since no new GST/PST taxes are coming in)

:cheesygriI couldn't agree more. People should either hold off on their purchases or get the best deal in the US. These manufacturers are sweating in Canada right now. I won't buy a new car in Canada until the car companies can sell me one that's priced in line with their US counterparts.

[cordarone]

I understand exactly what i need to do.. I have no prob's with getting the letter, its just the time i need it. Do i always have to pay $250 for that letter? Or is that if i need it faxed to riv?

And.. will i be able to drive my car home without it?

The customs officer asked for the letter when I crossed over (@ Woodstock NB) and faxed copies of it and the Form 1 to RIV, so I suppose it depends on where you cross.
In any case, Form 2 won't be released without the letter and you won't be able to proceed with registering the vehicle.
Digging through the carburner wiki (http://www.carburner.com/index.php?title=Paperwork_Required_To_Complete_Pro cess&diff=592&oldid=591), here's a possible work-around for GM vehicles:

...Note- the USA dealer can provide you with a "GM Vehicle Inquiry System Summary" sheet that will qualify as an official recall letter - USA Dealers should do this at NO COST to the buyer. This was verified verbally by RIV on 11/27/07.

[vim]

Hey guys,

I just purchased a 2005 Chevy Equinox off a very reputable dealer in Chicago. I am gonna be picking up the car Tuesday and he has already submitted all the forms over to the us border, so the 72 hours is clear. Only thing we overlooked was the Recall Clearance Letter from GM. Will not having this letter hinder me getting the car to my house? ...


I imported car through Lewiston bridge and I did not have Recall clearence letter during import. Nobody asked me about this letter then. My understanding was that I just need this letter for RIV and not for customs. I got this letter after I came home and then faxed it to RIV.

[mak]

Especially Monsieurmaggot and all the others who paved the way for educating us and informing the Canadian public on the deals to be had across the border. Love my 2008 Quartz Silver Metallic Subary Legacy. :)

I posted my experience here:

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6424279&postcount=1333

[niceguy1234]

This is from ICBC website (http://www.icbc.com/faqs/vehicle/bring_backpu.asp)

On a different note: do new vehicles from the USA require a provincial inspection in BC? I'm pretty sure new vehicles from other provinces don't require it but I'm not sure about the USA.

I asked the same question before I brought the car to CT. The answer from someone else is YES. After I brought my new 08 Camry to CT, the answer is YES too from my own experience. The ICBC agent need to see the lable before they issue you the insurance. If you don't want to buy ICBC insurance, then the answer is up to you.

[niceguy1234]

I imported car through Lewiston bridge and I did not have Recall clearence letter during import. Nobody asked me about this letter then. My understanding was that I just need this letter for RIV and not for customs. I got this letter after I came home and then faxed it to RIV.

+1. same as me

[michelb]

You could call GM Vintage Vehicles and have them provide a recall letter. They'll fax it directly to RIV.

Once you call, they'll provide you with either a fax, or a PDF via email that you can fax back to them.

The downside is it costs $250 CDN.

Are you sure it's $250? It's possible that it's gone up but I got one from GM Vintage Vehicles in May 07 and I believe it was $35.

[michelb]

oops - double post

[Bailey4427]

Okay, I been wanting to purchase a vehicle from the states for ages now since I’ve been following this thread. After months and months of reading user’s experiences here and doing my own research, I finally decided to pull the trigger on a 2007 Toyota Tundra.
Let me just say it was very simple and headache free. Here’s my experience…..

I first started out by knowing what vehicle I wanted. Obviously this was a personal choice. I just researched online, compared the US website pricing with the Canadian pricing, checked if the car was admissible with the RIV (very important), went to a few dealerships around here for test-drives and read forums regarding the model. Once I knew exactly what I wanted I started searching website such as cars.com, autotrader.com and even ebay.

I narrowed it down to a few (6-8) top choices (with a maximum travelling distance in mind) and started making some calls to the various US dealerships. I then explained to them I’m calling from Canada and I’m very serious about making a purchase. I also explained that obviously I wouldn’t be able to go down there and negotiate pricing face to face, so it would have to be done over the phone. Most understood and I got their best price. From there I compared features, distance and pricing and finally made a decision. I chose a Toyota in Virginia, about 8 hours away.

So from there it was daily calls (sometimes numerous calls per day) to the salesperson at the dealership. Fortunately for me I had a great salesperson at a really good dealership. I dealt with Hughes Motorcars in Warrenton, Virginia. My sales rep. was a guy named Chris. Lucky for me Hughes Motorcars were very familiar with selling to Canadians and quite liked it. So Chris said he’d do up all the paperwork and fax the title to US Customs for me 72 hours in advance. He even went one step further and advised me once I flew into Virginia, he’d have one of his guys pick me up from the airport and drive me to the dealership.

If you’re this lucky there’s really nothing left for you to do other than wire the money to them, get insurance for the new vehicle and take care of your flight arrangements. Basically that’s all I had to do. So after a few days of the dealer getting me a Manufacturer’s recall letter, faxing the title to the border crossing of your choice, getting a 30 day plate for the vehicle, so you can drive it thru the states up to Canada; everything was good to go. I flew down to Virginia, had a guy pick me up and take me to the dealership. There I signed some paperwork, took a look at the truck and was ready to go within 30-40 minutes. Once I was on the road with papers in hand, the hardest part was done.

I got to the US customs (Lewiston crossing open M-F 8AM-4PM only) showed them my title, they made sure it was faxed 72 hours before. BTW, they’re very picky about the 72 hours deal. I heard that they’ve turned back people for coming an hour or two early. They basically check to see if there are any liens on the vehicle and/or if it’s stolen. Once that was finished, the customs officer stamped my title making it officially exported out of the US and I was back on the road within 5-10 minutes. Very simple and pain-less. Next I crossed over the bridge to the Canadian customs where there I filled out the Form 1, showed my bill of sale, then paid the GST and I was on my way back home. That took about 30 minutes or so. Once I got back home I went to the RIV (Etobicoke) the next day, showed my Form 1, recall letter and bill of sale, paid the RIV fee $204.xx, then waited for 5 minutes and the clerk handed me the Form 2.

With the Form 1 and 2 now in hand I went to Toyota and got the daytime running lights installed, got a safety inspection and an emission test (because it wasn’t the current year model). Once all those were done about $300 later, I went to Canadian Tire to get them to inspect the vehicle and sign off my Form 2 and well as stamp the Form 1. From there I was on my way to the MTO to plate the truck. There I had to show the bill of sale, Form 1 & 2, safety and emission test. Then they nailed me with the PST! and the charge for new plates and permit sticker. Now my truck was officially plated and in my name.

Like I said before, after a little bit of foot work and minor paperwork (depending on the dealership down south), I ended up saving thousands. If you’re interested and want the kind of service I received give Chris a call at Hughes Motorcars or check them out at www.hughesmotorcars.com, it's top-notch service. I think the dealerships here in Canada could learn a thing or two from the dealers down there. With my experience, Hughes Motorcars bent over backwards for my business and treated me like a customer, not as a number. Give them a call.

Sorry for the lengthy post.

[CONTROL ONE]

^^ great, detailed and informative post.

i was wondering however, since this wasn't a current model year, after all the expenses (plane ticket, gas back, DRL install, forms, fees, etc.), what was the exact amount you SAVED?

ie. what MY tundra did you get and how does it compare with prices here? i still can't imagine all that work would be worth it.

[michelb]

^^ great, detailed and informative post.

i was wondering however, since this wasn't a current model year, after all the expenses (plane ticket, gas back, DRL install, forms, fees, etc.), what was the exact amount you SAVED?

ie. what MY tundra did you get and how does it compare with prices here? i still can't imagine all that work would be worth it.

It's a bit hard to say how much you save without looking at a very specific vehicle since there are a lot more packages and options in the US but looking at a 08 4x4 Tundra Double Cab STD, it looks like it's about 7k less MSRP in the US vs Canada (which really means that you might be able to get the US one for $9-$10k less). Even if you factor in $2k of expenses, that's still an easy $5k less.

Not sure what your time is worth to you but personally if I'm saving anything over $2k-$3k, it's probably worth a bit of hassle to do it. Personnaly, it's not just the savings though; we're in the process of getting a Sienna and we wanted the Limited trim but we didn't want AWD (mostly because I don't like the runflats). In Canada, you can't get Limited without AWD ... in the US you can.

[Kamloops]

It's a bit hard to say how much you save without looking at a very specific vehicle since there are a lot more packages and options in the US but looking at a 08 4x4 Tundra Double Cab STD, it looks like it's about 7k less MSRP in the US vs Canada (which really means that you might be able to get the US one for $9-$10k less). Even if you factor in $2k of expenses, that's still an easy $5k less.

Not sure what your time is worth to you but personally if I'm saving anything over $2k-$3k, it's probably worth a bit of hassle to do it. Personnaly, it's not just the savings though; we're in the process of getting a Sienna and we wanted the Limited trim but we didn't want AWD (mostly because I don't like the runflats). In Canada, you can't get Limited without AWD ... in the US you can.

I can get a 2008 Tacoma Sport TRD 4x4 double cab package with Tow Package 6 Disc Cd Carpeted Ploor Mats for 27,300 USD

Even after the price drop and Toyota it is still 40K here in Canada for the same truck.

[Bailey4427]

^^ great, detailed and informative post.

i was wondering however, since this wasn't a current model year, after all the expenses (plane ticket, gas back, DRL install, forms, fees, etc.), what was the exact amount you SAVED?

ie. what MY tundra did you get and how does it compare with prices here? i still can't imagine all that work would be worth it.

Ya I forgot to mention the actual savings (I'll have to edit that later). When I was test driving some trucks here I got quoted a price for an '07 Tundra DC, 4x4, 5.7L engine and assorted options for $47,xxx.00 CND taxes in, out the door. I got my Tundra with exact same options except tow mirrors and backup sensor (got a backup camera instead) with 5,000 miles for $26,500.00 USD. After taxes, fees and traveling expenses I paid around the $31,000.00 CND.

So quite a bit of savings for me...keep in mind that's a new vehicle compared to a "used" one when comparing the prices. I lucked out, mine had very low mileage and was basically in perfect condition.

[jimgiggles]

Are you sure it's $250? It's possible that it's gone up but I got one from GM Vintage Vehicles in May 07 and I believe it was $35.


Yah. it went up to $250 as of Nov.1, 2007. I called and confirmed with GM today. But, someone posted a link from the carburner wiki.

"Vintage Vehicle Services issues the recall clearance letters for GM cars for $26.50 which includes faxing a copy to RIV. Call 905-440-7689 or fax 905-440-7644 to order the letter. Have been told that effective Nov 1, 07 this fee is substancially increased to $250.00. Note- the USA dealer can provide you with a "GM Vehicle Inquiry System Summary" sheet that will qualify as an official recall letter - USA Dealers should do this at NO COST to the buyer. This was verified verbally by RIV on 11/27/07."

So.. heres what i did to get this letter all by myself, without dealer help, or paying GM $250. I have yet to call RIV myself, because they have been closed all weekend for Family Day to see if this is actually the proper paperwork, but.. from what the wiki is saying, i've got the exact printout they need. And hopefully it works :) I did a bit of googling and found a forum for diesel trucks. There is a section in the forums where you can paste a copy of your VIN number. Within a few hours, one of the members will paste a copy of the printout from the "GM Vehicle Inquiry" page. I copied and pasted it into MS Word and it looks really good.

http://www.dieselplace.com/ is the place where those forums are located.

I printed it out, and im sure its exactly the same copy that a dealership would give you.

Good luck and thanks to everyone that helped me out on this thread!!

[yummie]

[QUOTE=Bailey4427;6425971]Okay, I been wanting to purchase a vehicle from the states for ages now since I’ve been following this thread. After months and months of reading user’s experiences here and doing my own research, I finally decided to pull the trigger on a 2007 Toyota Tundra.
Let me just say it was very simple and headache free. Here’s my experience…..

Your post is very informative and detailed. Its guys like you, who make it easier by educating us

When we picked up by buddies car in Ohio, we had a choice, either to go thru Buffalo or Detroit. As you mentioned, Lewiston crossing is only Mon-Fri. Since we were picking up the car on Sunday, we crossed the Detroit/ Windsor Bridge...

The dealership gave the border 72 hours notice.

The part I don't understand is, after we picked up the car, we went to the border and never dealt with the Americans :confused: We spent under 30 minutes with Canadian Customs and we were back in Toronto about 3-4hrs later.

I plan to pick up a vehicle in the states next year. Whether our dollar is at par or .70 CAN= 1.00 USD, my purchase will be there. The best part is, I'm heading down to the Auto show in the next couple days, that will help with my purchase.:D

As to all those ads in Toronto papers, sorry, the U.S is much cheaper.

And another side note, web sites don't tell you everything when it comes to standard/option items. Something that was on the Canadian website as standard wasn't even mentioned on the the U.S site as an standard/option item. When we picked up the vehicle in the U.S, those standard items that were listed on the CDN website, were on the vehicle, however no mention of it on the U.S site......... I hope that made sense

;)

[jimgiggles]

The part I don't understand is, after we picked up the car, we went to the border and never dealt with the Americans :confused: We spent under 30 minutes with Canadian Customs and we were back in Toronto about 3-4hrs later.;)

Hmm... i have been doing a TON of reading the last couple of days.. And from what i recall reading, you shouldn't try going back into the USA with that vehicle. The reason for stopping at the US border is to have the vehicle declared as actually exported. They want to make sure the car hasn't been stolen, has a lien, etc. If you ever do go back into the USA with that car, you may have problems getting it back out.. I'm not 100% on this, but atleast 98%.

[Bailey4427]

Hmm... i have been doing a TON of reading the last couple of days.. And from what i recall reading, you shouldn't try going back into the USA with that vehicle. The reason for stopping at the US border is to have the vehicle declared as actually exported. They want to make sure the car hasn't been stolen, has a lien, etc. If you ever do go back into the USA with that car, you may have problems getting it back out.. I'm not 100% on this, but atleast 98%.

jimgiggles is correct. I'm not 100% sure either, but I didn't want to find out the hard way, that's why I stayed the night in Niagara Falls and exported thru US Cust. 1st thing in the morning.....it's peace-of-mind.

I think it depends on what the US Cust. agent finds on their computer system once they run your plate. If the VIN comes back to that plate and the VIN shows it's still an American vehicle (never exported) that's where the issues might start.....if it doesn't show up at all...you're okay.
Maybe some others here can weigh in with their experiences...

FYI: I've heard of some people actually going back across days later and exporting it with US customs.

[allknowing]

The GM Inquiry screen print - not really a screen print but print out .. is all you need. Thats what I used for my Saturn import. The dealer emailed me a copy since his own letter via email wasnt sufficient.

[jimgiggles]

The GM Inquiry screen print - not really a screen print but print out .. is all you need. Thats what I used for my Saturn import. The dealer emailed me a copy since his own letter via email wasnt sufficient.

Did it look like this? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=220602

[michelb]

Yah. it went up to $250 as of Nov.1, 2007. I called and confirmed with GM today. But, someone posted a link from the carburner wiki.

"Vintage Vehicle Services issues the recall clearance letters for GM cars for $26.50 which includes faxing a copy to RIV. Call 905-440-7689 or fax 905-440-7644 to order the letter. Have been told that effective Nov 1, 07 this fee is substancially increased to $250.00. Note- the USA dealer can provide you with a "GM Vehicle Inquiry System Summary" sheet that will qualify as an official recall letter - USA Dealers should do this at NO COST to the buyer. This was verified verbally by RIV on 11/27/07."

So.. heres what i did to get this letter all by myself, without dealer help, or paying GM $250. I have yet to call RIV myself, because they have been closed all weekend for Family Day to see if this is actually the proper paperwork, but.. from what the wiki is saying, i've got the exact printout they need. And hopefully it works :) I did a bit of googling and found a forum for diesel trucks. There is a section in the forums where you can paste a copy of your VIN number. Within a few hours, one of the members will paste a copy of the printout from the "GM Vehicle Inquiry" page. I copied and pasted it into MS Word and it looks really good.

http://www.dieselplace.com/ is the place where those forums are located.

I printed it out, and im sure its exactly the same copy that a dealership would give you.

Good luck and thanks to everyone that helped me out on this thread!!

Thanks for the info and for the correction - that's a shame but it's good to hear that there might be a workaround.

[allknowing]

Did it look like this? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=220602

Exactly.
Thats all you need... fax that along with form1 into the RIV and they turn around and send you a form2 pdf file to print and take to canadian tire. (abt 24 hour turn around)

In case you hadnt figured it out -- this works for Saturn too..

[Matty]

[QUOTE=Bailey4427;6425971]
The part I don't understand is, after we picked up the car, we went to the border and never dealt with the Americans :confused: ;)

I too have read almost all of the 800+ pages here. And I can backup what jimgiggles says, that your friend should NOT ever go down to the US with that car unless the issue's cleared up first. I'm sure you could call the US border dept and find out what to do.

[niceguy1234]

After one week of Fed Inspection, I receive the letter from RIV which is my RIV label. Now I have finally completed the importation of my new Camry.

[WildThing]

Add another one to the list : 2007 C6 Corvette!

Yeah! Can't wait to drive it. I should get it in a couple of weeks from Baltimore.

With a 11-month old kid, my 2004 Dodge SRT-4 is now my weekend family car :cheesygri

Wild Thing

[PrimeBane]

Exactly.
Thats all you need... fax that along with form1 into the RIV and they turn around and send you a form2 pdf file to print and take to canadian tire. (abt 24 hour turn around)

In case you hadnt figured it out -- this works for Saturn too..

Perhaps you got lucky... I called RIV twice. One lady said it could not be used. The next gentleman I spoke to said it had to have the dealer's header on it.

This was for my 2007 Saturn Outlook that I imported last week.

[wombat111]

I just bought a 2008 Infiniti G35 Journey with Premium Package and Navigation Package for $36500 in Seattle. When I called the US border office in Blaine Washington to get details regarding bringing it out of the US the officer told me I did not need to go through US customs as this is a brand new vehicle. He told me to go directly to Canada customs. Has anyone brought a brand new vehicle through? I thought we had to give 72 hours notice etc etc.

[yummie]

I just bought a 2008 Infiniti G35 Journey with Premium Package and Navigation Package for $36500 in Seattle. When I called the US border office in Blaine Washington to get details regarding bringing it out of the US the officer told me I did not need to go through US customs as this is a brand new vehicle. He told me to go directly to Canada customs. Has anyone brought a brand new vehicle through? I thought we had to give 72 hours notice etc etc.

Thats what happened to my buddy. He picked up a 2008 new, and we never seen U.S customs on the way back. On top of that, after a couple people responded to my post, I asked my friend what happened to his relative when he drove back into the U.S on numerous occasions (relative never met U.S customs on the way back when he bought the vehicle new). The relative has never had any issues with the border when crossing back and forth..

[EL820]

Having imported my vehicle more than one month ago, I finally received my label from RIV last Wed. My vehicle is now a legal Canadian. :D

Many thanks to all!!!

[petaling108]

Thats what happened to my buddy. He picked up a 2008 new, and we never seen U.S customs on the way back. On top of that, after a couple people responded to my post, I asked my friend what happened to his relative when he drove back into the U.S on numerous occasions (relative never met U.S customs on the way back when he bought the vehicle new). The relative has never had any issues with the border when crossing back and forth..

It will only become a problem if they checked his VIN.
(which means NEVER for the average JOe,the scan just checked your licence plate)
However,it may turn into a problem if for some reason they check his VIN

[bulgurc]

I think best thing to check this is, do a Carfax on the Car vin and see what it shows

[mavvee]

Hi everyone, ok so I've read through at least 100 pages of postings but can't find what I'm looking for. Has anyone had luck buying a Honda from the US and bringing it back? I know bringing it back should not be a problem but finding a dealer close enough to the border to sell you a Honda is the challenge. Any leads? :D

[michelb]

Hi everyone, ok so I've read through at least 100 pages of postings but can't find what I'm looking for. Has anyone had luck buying a Honda from the US and bringing it back? I know bringing it back should not be a problem but finding a dealer close enough to the border to sell you a Honda is the challenge. Any leads? :D

Just use the 'search this thread' feature for "HONDA" as it's been discussed quite a bit. I didn't think it was actually that much of an issue to find a dealer that will sell (I didn't think they even tried to prevent it at all) however I believe that they will only issue recall letters to US residents and you need that to import. Also, hopefully you've noticed that Honda's warranty is void in Canada (which for me is enough to buy from another manufacturer).

[DSTU]

Hi everyone, ok so I've read through at least 100 pages of postings but can't find what I'm looking for. Has anyone had luck buying a Honda from the US and bringing it back? I know bringing it back should not be a problem but finding a dealer close enough to the border to sell you a Honda is the challenge. Any leads? :D

Two Rules for buying a Honda in the US.

1. They do not sell new Honda's to Canadians

2. They do not sell new Honda's to Canadians

[d-kim]

Two Rules for buying a Honda in the US.

1. They do not sell new Honda's to Canadians

2. They do not sell new Honda's to Canadians

You can get one through brokers... PM me if you want.

I'm getting an Acura MDX through a broker.

[rviewmirror]

+1 on the Infiniti EX35. Same great interior as the new G35 except sorta a wagon. However, from what I've been reading there are waiting lists for the CUV and dealers (based on what they did when the G35 was launched) will not budge much on the MSRP. As well expect to only find fully loaded models on dealer lots, so expect EX35 AWD Journeys + Tech + Nav, so you're looking at ~38k OTD...

I considered the EX 35, however, will most likely move on a used FX35 with ~8k miles for ~32k. Your relative savings vs. Canada are much better on that truck as it is ~55k in Canada.

I called Nissan Canada and the new EX35 is admissable into Canada, Infinity dealers in Canada WILL uphold the US warranty. For those that are interested......

[NerV]

You can get one through brokers... PM me if you want.

I'm getting an Acura MDX through a broker.

What about the warranty? As far as I know it's not transferrable.

[st7860]

post the broker

[bulgurc]

Although I ended up buying privately, I dealt (tried to) a long time with Russ Browning as a broker. He seem to be very professional and presentable, the best I contacted so far. He is located in Arizona, but I think he can also arrange deals through New Hampshire. Like most brokers he wants money up front though, and that was a little bit of an issue for me

[DSTU]

You can get one through brokers... PM me if you want.

I'm getting an Acura MDX through a broker.

You can also get one through a US Friend, but when will people relize that virtually no new car dealers will sell to Canadians. PERIOD.

Canadian Auto manufacturers will vigorously protect their market - its just too much profit to give up.

BTW Lowes.ca has the Stanley Fat Max Wrecker bar for $49

Lowes.com has it for $39.

Guess where I shop at :lol:

[Hybrid88]

So why haven't we seen a mass import of Toyotas?? Other than the fact that most Toyota dealers are instructed not to sell to Canadians.

So, where am I suppose to pick up a US Toyota that close to T.O?

[GoogleFish]

So why haven't we seen a mass import of Toyotas?? Other than the fact that most Toyota dealers are instructed not to sell to Canadians.

You just answered your own question!

[faston]

I called Nissan Canada and the new EX35 is admissable into Canada, Infinity dealers in Canada WILL uphold the US warranty. For those that are interested......

I drove an EX35 here last weekend. Very cool tech features, but I'm a car guy so not really interested. What I did though is compare prices with the US prices and it was surprising. The prices on the EX are not that much different. The car is about 50 grand here and about 45 grand in the US (well-equipped in both cases). Add in the 6.1% duty and they are about 3 thousand dollars different. A lot of people on here will say that is still a big difference but on a 50 thousand dollar car that seems fairly close to me.

Now, interestingly, the EX is about 5 thousand more than the G35 in the states. What this says to me is that in Infiniti's lineup the EX is a definite step up from the G35. But here, they are about the same (around 50 thou for well-equipped). So, on the one hand they are responding to the disparity in prices (EX) but on the other they are lagging behind (G35). Newly released car vs. existing model, I guess. Based on the US price structure, the G35 should be 7-8 thousand less than the EX.

Infiniti is one of the 'good guys' as they are adjusting pricing (4500 cash back on the G35 and reasonable pricing on the EX) and haven't closed the border on importing, but they still need to do some work on the pricing of the G35, which is the car I am interested in.

[superwell]

I drove an EX35 here last weekend. Very cool tech features, but I'm a car guy so not really interested. What I did though is compare prices with the US prices and it was surprising. The prices on the EX are not that much different. The car is about 50 grand here and about 45 grand in the US (well-equipped in both cases). Add in the 6.1% duty and they are about 3 thousand dollars different. A lot of people on here will say that is still a big difference but on a 50 thousand dollar car that seems fairly close to me.

Now, interestingly, the EX is about 5 thousand more than the G35 in the states. What this says to me is that in Infiniti's lineup the EX is a definite step up from the G35. But here, they are about the same (around 50 thou for well-equipped). So, on the one hand they are responding to the disparity in prices (EX) but on the other they are lagging behind (G35). Newly released car vs. existing model, I guess. Based on the US price structure, the G35 should be 7-8 thousand less than the EX.

Infiniti is one of the 'good guys' as they are adjusting pricing (4500 cash back on the G35 and reasonable pricing on the EX) and haven't closed the border on importing, but they still need to do some work on the pricing of the G35, which is the car I am interested in.

heh?

http://www.edmunds.com/infiniti/ex35/2008/index.html#search=open.eq..amp.p.eq.cvehicledata%2 3%23-1%23%23-1%7E%7Enf12%7C%7C496e66696e697469

[Monsieurmaggot]

I drove an EX35 here last weekend. Very cool tech features, but I'm a car guy so not really interested. What I did though is compare prices with the US prices and it was surprising. The prices on the EX are not that much different. The car is about 50 grand here and about 45 grand in the US (well-equipped in both cases). Add in the 6.1% duty and they are about 3 thousand dollars different. A lot of people on here will say that is still a big difference but on a 50 thousand dollar car that seems fairly close to me.

Huh is right.

The price for the EX35 is MSRP: $31,300-36,250 Invoice: $28,792-33,330. Loaded with every option I could find on the Infinit.com website, it was just over $46k US MSRP! Some of those options are obviously repeated in the various packages but I left them on for comparison purposes. All smart RFDers only pay invoice pricing (many pay less - I did!)

Assume the dollars' at par give or take 2% (or $200 per $10,000):

This is what I got off the Internet in five minutes of searching:

2008 EX35 Model code: 88518 (source: infiniti.com)
Wheat Leather/Maple Wood
Packages and Options
Technology Package $1,950.00 (Note the markup in Canada - Granted I didn't compare what's included)
Roofrails $200.00
Premium Package $2,150.00
Navigation Package $2,150.00
Wood Trim $450.00
Luxe Elite Package $1,650.00
Accessories**
Splash Guards $116.00
Roof-Rail Crossbars (Silver) $250.00
Cargo Area Protector $70.00
Cargo Area Organizer $160.00
Configured MSRP* $45,396.00 <---- pay 6.1% duty on this price
Destination and Handling $815.00
Total MSRP* $46,211.00
Total with duty: 48,165.16 <--- that's $15,000 cheaper in the US.


I suspect that if I offered a dealer $40,000 US, he'd take it.
Total with duty: $42,440 <-----that's $20,000 cheaper in the US.


In Canada (source: infiniti.ca):

Technology Package $6,600.00
3 Coat Paint $285.00

Base MSRP* $55,050.00
Total Packages $6,600.00
Total Designed MSRP† $61,650.00
Freight and PDE $1,650.00
Total* (before taxes) $63,300.00

Assume they'll sell you one for $57,000. The tax load is approximately $14,000 more so you're now paying approximately $1280 more in GST alone!

If you can get one for $50k let us know where.

I can go on and on....

If I made a blatant error anywhere, please let me know and I will correct it.

[superwell]

Huh is right.

The price for the EX is MSRP: $31,300-36,250 Invoice: $28,792-33,330. Loaded with every option it barely hits $40k US.

Did I miss anything there?

In Canada:

Technology Package $6,600.00
3 Coat Paint $285.00

Base MSRP* $55,050.00
Total Packages $6,600.00
Total Designed MSRP† $61,650.00
Freight and PDE $1,650.00
Total* (before taxes) $63,300.00

If you can get one for $50k let us know where.

Monsieurmaggot, just because you started this thread doesn't make it right that you HAVE to add the 3 coat paint :P, that makes it comparing apples and oranges

[Monsieurmaggot]

You are correct sorry.

My bad!

[nucklehead]

I have read aprox the last 60 pages on this thread and understand that BMW has been discussed, but apparently BMW has made some changes since Oct 2007.

I called BMW Canada yesterday and the guy told me the only cost to bring the vehicle to comply with our laws was DRL. I asked about the speedometer and he said it is already in Miles & kms so nothing required.

I called a BMW dealer in Vancouver to confirm the cost to activate the DRL which is $197.50 and the guy mentioned what has aready been mentioned in this post re: $1800 for Instrument Cluster.

Has anyone in the past 2 months succesfully gone thru the process of bringing a 3 series BMW into Canada and have it registered\licensed?? If so, are you able to break down the total costs?

Thanks

[GoogleFish]

Huh is right.

The price for the EX35 is MSRP: $31,300-36,250 Invoice: $28,792-33,330. Loaded with every option I could find on the Infinit.com website, it was just over $46k US MSRP! Some of those options are obviously repeated in the various packages but I left them on for comparison purposes. All smart RFDers only pay invoice pricing (many pay less - I did!)

Assume the dollars' at par give or take 2% (or $200 per $10,000):

This is what I got off the Internet in five minutes of searching:

2008 EX35 Model code: 88518 (source: infiniti.com)
Wheat Leather/Maple Wood
Packages and Options
Technology Package $1,950.00 (Note the markup in Canada - Granted I didn't compare what's included)
Roofrails $200.00
Premium Package $2,150.00
Navigation Package $2,150.00
Wood Trim $450.00
Luxe Elite Package $1,650.00
Accessories**
Splash Guards $116.00
Roof-Rail Crossbars (Silver) $250.00
Cargo Area Protector $70.00
Cargo Area Organizer $160.00
Configured MSRP* $45,396.00 <---- pay 6.1% duty on this price
Destination and Handling $815.00
Total MSRP* $46,211.00
Total with duty: 48,165.16 <--- that's $15,000 cheaper in the US.


I suspect that if I offered a dealer $40,000 US, he'd take it.
Total with duty: $42,440 <-----that's $20,000 cheaper in the US.


In Canada (source: infiniti.ca):

Technology Package $6,600.00
3 Coat Paint $285.00

Base MSRP* $55,050.00
Total Packages $6,600.00
Total Designed MSRP† $61,650.00
Freight and PDE $1,650.00
Total* (before taxes) $63,300.00

Assume they'll sell you one for $57,000. The tax load is approximately $14,000 more so you're now paying approximately $1280 more in GST alone!

If you can get one for $50k let us know where.

I can go on and on....

If I made a blatant error anywhere, please let me know and I will correct it.

I get a different Canadian price based on Infinity.ca

Base is $40,400 + $10,250 (all available options - need to be careful not to double count one of the packages) + $1,650 PDI for Total of CAD$52,300.

US price I got was $45,615 (including $815 PDI, not including smaller items like mud flaps, etc.) for a difference based on MSRP is approx. $6,685 before duties.

Option packages are a pain to compare because some of them are double counted, e.g. Customer Leather Package at $3,700 includes the Premium Package of $3,100

[cinqhoda]

Huh is right.

The price for the EX35 is MSRP: $31,300-36,250 Invoice: $28,792-33,330. Loaded with every option I could find on the Infinit.com website, it was just over $46k US MSRP! Some of those options are obviously repeated in the various packages but I left them on for comparison purposes. All smart RFDers only pay invoice pricing (many pay less - I did!)

Assume the dollars' at par give or take 2% (or $200 per $10,000):

This is what I got off the Internet in five minutes of searching:

2008 EX35 Model code: 88518 (source: infiniti.com)
Wheat Leather/Maple Wood
Packages and Options
Technology Package $1,950.00 (Note the markup in Canada - Granted I didn't compare what's included)
Roofrails $200.00
Premium Package $2,150.00
Navigation Package $2,150.00
Wood Trim $450.00
Luxe Elite Package $1,650.00
Accessories**
Splash Guards $116.00
Roof-Rail Crossbars (Silver) $250.00
Cargo Area Protector $70.00
Cargo Area Organizer $160.00
Configured MSRP* $45,396.00 <---- pay 6.1% duty on this price
Destination and Handling $815.00
Total MSRP* $46,211.00
Total with duty: 48,165.16 <--- that's $15,000 cheaper in the US.


I suspect that if I offered a dealer $40,000 US, he'd take it.
Total with duty: $42,440 <-----that's $20,000 cheaper in the US.


In Canada (source: infiniti.ca):

Technology Package $6,600.00
3 Coat Paint $285.00

Base MSRP* $55,050.00
Total Packages $6,600.00
Total Designed MSRP† $61,650.00
Freight and PDE $1,650.00
Total* (before taxes) $63,300.00

Assume they'll sell you one for $57,000. The tax load is approximately $14,000 more so you're now paying approximately $1280 more in GST alone!

If you can get one for $50k let us know where.

I can go on and on....

If I made a blatant error anywhere, please let me know and I will correct it.
I think you used the base price for the FX35 @ $55,000. The EX35 is listed at $40,400. Then, fully loaded with all options:
Journey Pkg $1600
Custom Leather Pkg (which includes the Premium Pkg) $3700
Navi Pkg $3250
Tech Pkg $1700
3 coat paint $285
MSRP totals out to $50,935

Your total with duty on the U.S. EX35 is $48,165.16 which is only $2770 less.

I did compare the Canadian and U.S. options and from what I can see there are no equipment differences.

[Torontomato]

Hi Folks

I am a newby and want to buy a used 05 Sienna from a Registered Dealer in NYS. I've been working on it with him for a while.

The title documents he can give me for faxing to the US Customs at Lewiston Bridge is

New York State Dep. of Motor Vehicles RETAIL CERTIFICATE of SALE ( MV50)

and

COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA Certificate of Title for a Vehicle ( his dealer company is not in the title list on back page)

Is this OK for me to pass the border?

Thanks in advance.

[freewheel]

I have read aprox the last 60 pages on this thread and understand that BMW has been discussed, but apparently BMW has made some changes since Oct 2007.

I called BMW Canada yesterday and the guy told me the only cost to bring the vehicle to comply with our laws was DRL. I asked about the speedometer and he said it is already in Miles & kms so nothing required.

I called a BMW dealer in Vancouver to confirm the cost to activate the DRL which is $197.50 and the guy mentioned what has aready been mentioned in this post re: $1800 for Instrument Cluster.

Has anyone in the past 2 months succesfully gone thru the process of bringing a 3 series BMW into Canada and have it registered\licensed?? If so, are you able to break down the total costs?

Thanks

Go to:

http://forums.ebay.ca/thread.jspa?threadID=500022243&start=400

There is a posting at the bottom of page 11 that specifies exactly what modifications are required for the various BMW models.
Don't forget the $350 letter of admissinility and the $500 recall claerance letter.

Funny thing is even with this blatant cash grab by BMW Canada you will still save thousnds by importing!

[zabuza]

Is it possible to work out a form of financing plan if you don't have an American credit line? My friend's looking to buy a car and I told him how much cheaper it is, in some cases, to import, but he'll be looking into financing options so I'm not sure if importing is an option for him.

[superwell]

Is it possible to work out a form of financing plan if you don't have an American credit line? My friend's looking to buy a car and I told him how much cheaper it is, in some cases, to import, but he'll be looking into financing options so I'm not sure if importing is an option for him.

Most local banks will give you a loan for a us car purchase. Check you local bank.

[zabuza]

Most local banks will give you a loan for a us car purchase. Check you local bank.
I'll let him know, thanks.

[bulgurc]

A Canadian credit line will do. Also you can get a loan if you have some assets to put as security against a personal loan. I doubt banks will loan that much money if it is unsecured

[whampoa]

So why haven't we seen a mass import of Toyotas?? Other than the fact that most Toyota dealers are instructed not to sell to Canadians.

So, where am I suppose to pick up a US Toyota that close to T.O?

Hmmm, let see here, it's kind of hard to import a Toyota if no US dealers

(let me rephrase that again, no US Toyota dealers near the border states) wants to sell you a brand new car in the first place.

If anyone knows a dealers that will do that, PM me.

Otherwise, I'll just wait for that long predicted US recession, see how long those dealers will hold out before putting food on the table is more important than any corporate edicts.

[Bailey4427]

Hi Folks

I am a newby and want to buy a used 05 Sienna from a Registered Dealer in NYS. I've been working on it with him for a while.

The title documents he can give me for faxing to the US Customs at Lewiston Bridge is

New York State Dep. of Motor Vehicles RETAIL CERTIFICATE of SALE ( MV50)

and

COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA Certificate of Title for a Vehicle ( his dealer company is not in the title list on back page)

Is this OK for me to pass the border?

Thanks in advance.

Hey Torontomato, I'm pretty sure that the "RETAIL CERTIFICATE of SALE ( MV50)" won't be required for US Customs....they only care about the title...you'll need the MV50 for Canadian Customs to pay the GST and PST (at the MTO).

As for the title....the dealer will probably have to get the title into their name sooner or later when they finally want to sell it to you. It sounds like they bought the vehicle from an auction....that's no worry.... Pennsylvania has the biggest auto auctions in the country...many dealers go there.
They probably will have to go to the DMV (US version of MTO) and get the title switched into their name...they'll probably only do this once the vehicle is paid for in full...or if you work out some special deal with them....then once it's in their name get them to quickly fax it out to the US Customs...you go in and complete the paperwork...then that's when they'll fill out the back of the title and sign the vehicle over to you..you can do all the paperwork signing while waiting the 72 hours and you should be good.

That's the safest way to do it...keep in mind that this is the same situation I was in and this is the procedure I followed and was successful with it. So please correct me if I might be wrong somewhere.

P.S. I just remembered that I had the dealer first fax out the original title to the border....then when I realized it wasn't in the dealer's name, I had them do what they had to do at the DMV (regarding changing it to their name) and THEN they fax it out to the border again...
So I'm not sure once I reached the US border which one they actually checked...the 1st one or the 2nd one....If I was to guess I'd say they checked the 1st one, which would leave me to beleive they probably don't need the title to be in the dealer's name for the checks that they do there (liens and stolen vehicles).....sorry for the confusion.

[J233]

Scott,

congrats on your Outlook !. I have not been on the fourm for a few good weeks and missed a lot of action.

Anyhow, I too did not have any luck with RIV wr recall clearance letter although mine was from the dealer + vehicle service history. If they rejected what you had sent them then I don't think you have a choice but to shed 250.00 for the doco from Vintage Services....

What model did you get and what options ? :)

PJ

Perhaps you got lucky... I called RIV twice. One lady said it could not be used. The next gentleman I spoke to said it had to have the dealer's header on it.

This was for my 2007 Saturn Outlook that I imported last week.

[michelb]

Go to:

http://forums.ebay.ca/thread.jspa?threadID=500022243&start=400

There is a posting at the bottom of page 11 that specifies exactly what modifications are required for the various BMW models.
Don't forget the $350 letter of admissinility and the $500 recall claerance letter.

Funny thing is even with this blatant cash grab by BMW Canada you will still save thousnds by importing!

Thanks for the info - it's nice to see it 'in black and while'

Not quite sure what to make of that link (maybe some of the formatting is missing so it makes it harder to read) but it kind of sounds like for all Minis you need a new cluster R50/R52/R53 models require a replacement Instrument Cluster and Rev Counter and The USA R56 models only have a MPH display, km/h marking are required, so the Instrument Cluster (speedometer) should be replaced with the Canadian km/h version and all BMWs that have 'i-Drive' (which I think is pretty much all of them now) need it as well Vehicles with an I-Level (Software Integration Level)
Situation for E60/E61, E63/E64, E65/E66, E70, E90/E91/E92/E93, R56 models
... When carrying out the USA to Canada conversion using the BMW Diagnostic and Programming equipment the technician is instructed to replace the Instrument Cluster (Kombi) and on E60/61/63/64 models the Heater Control Module (IHKA), before the conversion can be carried out. The only ones that don't need the cluster would fall under Vehicles without an I-Level (Software Integration Level)
Situation for BMW E46, E53, E83, E85/E86, R50/R52/R53
For vehicles without an Integration Level, the control modules infrastructure does not have the same inter-dependencies based on Software and Hardware. Therefore, the Instrument Cluster does not need to be replaced, except for the R50/R52/R53 – see note.

Quick search appears to indicate that e46 is 3 series, e53 is x5, e83 is x3, e85/e86 is z4 and rXX are Minis.

So basically it sounds like 3 series, x5, x3 and z4 WITHOUT i-drive don't need a new cluster, everything else does.

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A bit more info. From the information I can find, sounds like most new BMWs have iDrive so they'll need new clusters. Here's the info on those that might not (although it's possible that different packages/options add iDrive)

e46 - (1999–2006) 3 Series
e53 - (1999-2006) X5 Series
e83 - (2004-current) X3 Series
e85 - (2003-current) Z4 series roadster
e86 - (2006-current) Z4 series coupe

[Torontomato]

Bailey,

Thanks so much for your input.

I am in the exact same situation as you were. The dealer I am talking with insists that it is good enough for importing to Canada. He said they had sold lots of cars without their name on the title list. But they have the Certificate of sale showing they had purchased the car from Auction or other dealers and it is not necessary to put their name to the title. This matches your guess about which fax the US customs checked.

My concern is just if the US Customs at Lewiston Bridge have different rules from officer to officer...

[Bailey4427]

Bailey,

Thanks so much for your input.

I am in the exact same situation as you were. The dealer I am talking with insists that it is good enough for importing to Canada. He said they had sold lots of cars without their name on the title list. But they have the Certificate of sale showing they had purchased the car from Auction or other dealers and it is not necessary to put their name to the title. This matches your guess about which fax the US customs checked.

My concern is just if the US Customs at Lewiston Bridge have different rules from officer to officer...

You should be fine with US Customs...I would be more concerned about how the dealer is going to sell this car to you if it's not in their name...
let's say the auction comp. still owns the car, how is the dealer going to sell the car to you, keep the title in the auction comp's name and expect you to cross the border with the car? I think Canadian customs like be a little confused as to "whom" you actually bought the vehicle from. I could be wrong but if I were in your shoes, I'd feel more safe if the title was in their (dealer's)name and they signed it over to you. It's a simple $10-15 visit to the DMV for the dealer...which I assume they go to probably on a daily bases anyway.

In my opinion it sounds too confusing and the last thing you want to do is confuse the customs officer(s).

[junkmonk]

Hi, I live close to the US border (buffalo , niagara) and am looking to purchase a Honda Civic 4-Door Sedan 2008. I see that I have to register the car in the U.S. first, do I need a U.S. address for that, I have a relative that lives in Maine - should he register the car, then is it transferrable to me? Is it a tough process to get the warranty transferred to Canada?

Thanks,
Junkmonk

[perfchris]

There is NO Warranty on US Hondas imported into Canada




Hi, I live close to the US border (buffalo , niagara) and am looking to purchase a Honda Civic 4-Door Sedan 2008. I see that I have to register the car in the U.S. first, do I need a U.S. address for that, I have a relative that lives in Maine - should he register the car, then is it transferrable to me? Is it a tough process to get the warranty transferred to Canada?

Thanks,
Junkmonk

[Rehan]

Is it a tough process to get the warranty transferred to Canada? Honda's website says the warranty will be void if you import the vehicle to Canada.

[whampoa]

Honda's website says the warranty will be void if you import the vehicle to Canada.

Not unless you have a valid reason to buy it in the US, and stay there for a period of time for work, as a student and so on.

And after such say time you have to move back to Canada.

[Matty]

Yesterday, Feb. 20th, I wrote to Toyota Canada via their online 'contact us' form.

Here is my message, and their reply of today.



To Toyota Canada president Yoichi Tomihara,

I live in Ontario, and I want to express my outrage at automobile manufacturers, particulary Toyota Canada, regarding the price discrepancy of cars in Canada versus those in the US.

First, do NOT write back to me saying cars here are equipped differently than in the US. You are doing yourself a major disservice by feeding people this line, because we know that’s NOT what’s making your cars $5-25K more expensive here. Every time a Toyota Canada rep starts yapping about windshield liquid tanks and block heaters and bigger batteries being part of the higher cost, they are insulting the intelligence of potential buyers.

I need to buy a new SUV, and am considering the Honda Pilot, Acura MDX, Hyundai Santa Fe and Veracruz, Mercedes GL, and Toyota Highlander. The prices are about $9,000 to $23,000 more in Canada. The Highlander is about $9000-$11000 more in Canada, with the options I’d want. By the way, the current approx. $3000 drop in the Highlander’s MSRP is petty.

My only option now is to buy in the US, unless your prices in Canada come down to within about 3% of the US prices.

I have had three long talks with frustrated Toyota car dealers (two salespeople and one dealer principle). They are FURIOUS at Toyota Canada for not lowering prices more. They are dying.

Thanks to RedFlagDeals.com, carswithoutborders.com and carburner.com, I have met dozens of Ontarians who’ve imported Siennas, Highlanders, Camrys and Lexuses. I now know it is easy and quick. And I’ve been telling everyone I know.

I added all the costs of purchasing a demo US Highlander w/ 1000 miles: a one-way flight or bus ride to the US, temporary state plate, state sales tax, GST, PST, duty, RIV fee, A/C tax, and inspection. The savings: about $10,000 over the BEST prices on similarly-equipped Canadian demos in Ontario and Quebec. I also calculated the time it would take. To go down there, pay, meet my new car, shake hands, say goodbye and drive it back: 6 hours. Inspection the following day at Canadian Tire: 30 minutes.

That’s it. In 6.5 hours I will have saved $10,000. With that huge savings, I’ll likely redo my kitchen, and take the family to Banff.

Again, I demand that you drop the prices of all Toyotas sold in Canada to within about 3% of the prices in the US.

I will not buy my new car in Canada until this happens. And if by May our prices are not that low yet, I’m simply buying in the US no matter what.

Please respond promptly.

Regards,

XXXXXXX XXXX
Toronto, Ontario
==========

Dear Mr. Anato:

Thank you for your recent email to our company.

Toyota Canada sets its prices (the Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) for its vehicles based on competitive factors in the Canadian market. However, the recent weakening of the US dollar and resulting narrowing of the US and Canadian exchange rate recently has made the purchase of products in the US attractive to Canadian consumers.

You may be interested to know also that Toyota vehicles distributed in the US and Canada may not have identical equipment or meet the same regulatory requirements. And, when Toyota Canada considers equipment on Toyota vehicles for the Canadian market, we select certain options and features, on a model-by-model basis, that we believe are best suited for Canada's challenging climatic and driving conditions.

When a US vehicle is brought into Canada, the importer must ensure it complies with Canadian regulatory requirements, like mandatory daylight running lights, an appropriate vehicle immobilization system, etc. In addition, the costs to retrofit or modify a vehicle in order for it to be brought into Canada are the responsibility of the owner or person importing the vehicle.

For further information on importing a vehicle to Canada, we suggest you visit the website of The Registrar of Imported Vehicles (a division of Transport Canada). The address is as follows: www.riv.ca. If you prefer, you may call them at 1-888-848-8240.

We would like to inform you that we will continue to monitor the Canadian market for our vehicles and take action so that our customers continue to derive the best possible value from their Toyota or Lexus experience when they purchase their vehicle.

We hope this information is helpful to you.

Sincerely,

KaXXXX ShXXX
Customer Interaction Centre
Toyota Canada Inc.
===========

Note that even after my explicit asking to not talk about differing equipment, she just copied and pasted the standard crap we've all seen before.

I was, however, encouraged to see that they officially recommend RIV as a resource.

I suggest all of you RFDers take the time to send a short or long email to Toyota. REGARDLESS if you want a Toyota or not. We just need to make sure that we are not all preaching to the converted within the confines of RFD--we need to be screaming to the world, and of course that includes the media, your MPs, and the car companies themselves.

Go to http://www.toyota.ca/cgi-bin/WebObjects/WWW.woa/wa/vp?vp=Home&language=english and click 'contact us'. Please, go send a brief email, and don't forget to explicitly tell them: 1-to not feed you that "we build Canadian cars with special equipment to suit our climate" BS, and 2-to reply to you. You can take ELEMENTS from my message above, but don't copy and paste the whole thing; it'll just look like one fool swamping them w/ from dozens of email addresses, and that will serve only to negate the whole process!

And if any of you would like to provide some quick links to other manufacturers' contact us forms/email addresses, plz do post them here so we can all get on their corporate asses by sending the same message.

[niceguy1234]

Hmmm, let see here, it's kind of hard to import a Toyota if no US dealers

(let me rephrase that again, no US Toyota dealers near the border states) wants to sell you a brand new car in the first place.

If anyone knows a dealers that will do that, PM me.

Otherwise, I'll just wait for that long predicted US recession, see how long those dealers will hold out before putting food on the table is more important than any corporate edicts.

Do you live in East coast? I know a Toyota dealer in West coast sell new cars to CAD customers. I don't understand why Toyota dealers don't sell new cars to Canadians. Even they do, Toyota USA head office will not punish them, that is why some of the Toyota dealers still selling new cars to Canadians.

[st7860]

Do you live in East coast? I know a Toyota dealer in West coast sell new cars to CAD customers. I don't understand why Toyota dealers don't sell new cars to Canadians. Even they do, Toyota USA head office will not punish them, that is why some of the Toyota dealers still selling new cars to Canadians.

which dealer is that?

[TorontoEh]

so do we know how many cars have been imported with the help of this great thread? shove that # in your local care sales man *** and tell em to open their *****g eyes :)

And if you're a car dealer, salesman, toyota personnel or whoever who think you insert special parts in canadian cars, GET THIS, I'm heading to BUFFALO in MARCH to buy a 2ND Subaru :)

SO LOWER YOUR PRICES now or you'll feel a real pain in your (you know where)

THANKS

I love you RFD and all good folks who replied to me

[Tender]

There is a "Wall of Savers" section on carburner.com

[jnmontario]

Yesterday, Feb. 20th, I wrote to Toyota Canada via their online 'contact us' form.



Dear Mr. Anato:

Thank you for your recent email to our company.

Toyota Canada sets its prices (the Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) for its vehicles based on competitive factors in the Canadian market. However, the recent weakening of the US dollar and resulting narrowing of the US and Canadian exchange rate recently has made the purchase of products in the US attractive to Canadian consumers.

You may be interested to know also that Toyota vehicles distributed in the US and Canada may not have identical equipment or meet the same regulatory requirements. And, when Toyota Canada considers equipment on Toyota vehicles for the Canadian market, we select certain options and features, on a model-by-model basis, that we believe are best suited for Canada's challenging climatic and driving conditions.

When a US vehicle is brought into Canada, the importer must ensure it complies with Canadian regulatory requirements, like mandatory daylight running lights, an appropriate vehicle immobilization system, etc. In addition, the costs to retrofit or modify a vehicle in order for it to be brought into Canada are the responsibility of the owner or person importing the vehicle.

For further information on importing a vehicle to Canada, we suggest you visit the website of The Registrar of Imported Vehicles (a division of Transport Canada). The address is as follows: www.riv.ca. If you prefer, you may call them at 1-888-848-8240.

We would like to inform you that we will continue to monitor the Canadian market for our vehicles and take action so that our customers continue to derive the best possible value from their Toyota or Lexus experience when they purchase their vehicle.

We hope this information is helpful to you.

Sincerely,

KaXXXX ShXXX
Customer Interaction Centre
Toyota Canada Inc.
===========

Note that even after my explicit asking to not talk about differing equipment, she just copied and pasted the standard crap we've all seen before.

I was, however, encouraged to see that they officially recommend RIV as a resource.

I suggest all of you RFDers take the time to send a short or long email to Toyota. REGARDLESS if you want a Toyota or not. We just need to make sure that we are not all preaching to the converted within the confines of RFD--we need to be screaming to the world, and of course that includes the media, your MPs, and the car companies themselves.

Go to http://www.toyota.ca/cgi-bin/WebObjects/WWW.woa/wa/vp?vp=Home&language=english and click 'contact us'. Please, go send a brief email, and don't forget to explicitly tell them: 1-to not feed you that "we build Canadian cars with special equipment to suit our climate" BS, and 2-to reply to you. You can take ELEMENTS from my message above, but don't copy and paste the whole thing; it'll just look like one fool swamping them w/ from dozens of email addresses, and that will serve only to negate the whole process!

And if any of you would like to provide some quick links to other manufacturers' contact us forms/email addresses, plz do post them here so we can all get on their corporate asses by sending the same message.

Hmmmmmm, looks suspiciously like my letter:

Toyota Canada sets its prices (the Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price
(MSRP) for its vehicles based on competitive factors in the Canadian
market. However, the recent weakening of the US dollar and resulting
narrowing of the US and Canadian exchange rate recently has made the
purchase of products in the US attractive to Canadian consumers.

You may be interested to know also that Toyota vehicles distributed in the
US and Canada may not have identical equipment or meet the same regulatory
requirements. And, when Toyota Canada considers equipment on Toyota
vehicles for the Canadian market, we select certain options and features,
on a model-by-model basis, that we believe are best suited for Canada's
challenging climatic and driving conditions.

When a US vehicle is brought into Canada, the importer must ensure it
complies with Canadian regulatory requirements, like mandatory daylight
running lights, an appropriate vehicle immobilization system, etc. In
addition, the costs to retrofit or modify a vehicle in order for it to be
brought into Canada are the responsibility of the owner or person importing
the vehicle.

For further information on importing a vehicle to Canada, we suggest you
visit the website of The Registrar of Imported Vehicles (a division of
Transport Canada). The address is as follows: www.riv.ca . If you prefer,
you may call them at 1-888-848-8240.

We hope this information is helpful to you.

Sincerely,

NiXa M@lik
Toyota Canada Inc.

[niceguy1234]

which dealer is that?

Search Toyota Dealer in Bellingham, WA and you should find one.

[bulgurc]

I found this credit union:
http://www.comtechcu.com/index.html

You do not need to be an employee of Bell. I don't know whether you need to be an Ontario resident. However their rate is %6.09, which is best I have seen so far.

It needs $220 deposited to their account for membership. You can get the money back after the loan is paid off.

[Torontomato]

You should be fine with US Customs...I would be more concerned about how the dealer is going to sell this car to you if it's not in their name...
let's say the auction comp. still owns the car, how is the dealer going to sell the car to you, keep the title in the auction comp's name and expect you to cross the border with the car? I think Canadian customs like be a little confused as to "whom" you actually bought the vehicle from. I could be wrong but if I were in your shoes, I'd feel more safe if the title was in their (dealer's)name and they signed it over to you. It's a simple $10-15 visit to the DMV for the dealer...which I assume they go to probably on a daily bases anyway.

In my opinion it sounds too confusing and the last thing you want to do is confuse the customs officer(s).

Bailey,

The Certificate of Title for a Vehicle of Pennsylvania I got from the dealer (, say Dealer B in NY, that I am buying the van from) shows at the back side the last PURCHASER is Dealer A in New Jersey ( Dealer A bought the car at Auction in Penn.). My dealer Dealer B faxed me the "Reassignment of Certificate of Ownership by Licensed New Jersey Dealer" showing Dealer B bought the car from Dealer A. He told me it is not necessary that always get a DMV title, but as an alternative, he got bill of sale and Reassignment of Certificate of Ownership that will work.

Do you think it makes sense or not? I should probably have to fax this Reassignment of Certificate of Ownership together with the Certificate of Title for a Vehicle of Penn. to the Lewiston Bridge.

Thanks

[bulgurc]

Call Lewiston US Customs. Number on carburner

[PrimeBane]

Thanks PJ :)

We ended up with the 2007 Saturn Outlook XE with about 17,000 miles on it out of Minneapolis, Minnesota.

There's weren't a lot for extras other than the dual sunroofs, dual climate control, XM radio and power driver's seat. I had found a nice executive model, but for the dollar difference we decided to go with something a little more conservative until the kids are older or gone.

I wish we could have found something will a little less milage, but this unit had everything we wanted, including the color, and the price was much better than most that we'd stumbled across to that point.

And we're VERY happy with it so far... although I cringe at the gas gage when driving it in the city.

Scott,

congrats on your Outlook !. I have not been on the fourm for a few good weeks and missed a lot of action.

Anyhow, I too did not have any luck with RIV wr recall clearance letter although mine was from the dealer + vehicle service history. If they rejected what you had sent them then I don't think you have a choice but to shed 250.00 for the doco from Vintage Services....

What model did you get and what options ? :)

PJ

[faston]

I think you used the base price for the FX35 @ $55,000. The EX35 is listed at $40,400. Then, fully loaded with all options:
Journey Pkg $1600
Custom Leather Pkg (which includes the Premium Pkg) $3700
Navi Pkg $3250
Tech Pkg $1700
3 coat paint $285
MSRP totals out to $50,935

Your total with duty on the U.S. EX35 is $48,165.16 which is only $2770 less.

I did compare the Canadian and U.S. options and from what I can see there are no equipment differences.

Thanks for confirming my findings. Indeed, Monsieurmaggot had priced a different vehicle entirely. All I am saying here is give credit where credit is due. This is one company that is at least trying. In fact, if I wasn't a car guy through and through I would consider the EX in Canada. As I said before, they really need to sharpen their pencils on the G35. I am probably going to buy one of those stateside. Still a difference of about $9,000 after the $4500 cash-back deal.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Do you live in East coast? I know a Toyota dealer in West coast sell new cars to CAD customers. I don't understand why Toyota dealers don't sell new cars to Canadians. Even they do, Toyota USA head office will not punish them, that is why some of the Toyota dealers still selling new cars to Canadians.

Now if memory serves me, I believe early on in this thread someone posted that there are actually three or four Toyota distributors in the US.

As Whampoa pointed out, that could explain why some regions and dealers seem to disregard what the corporate office is saying and since they're feeling it on their bottom line are starting to budge on their cross-border sales.

Maybe they're feeling the heat knowing now they lost their appeal to the $35 million court settlement. (www.naata.org)

[faston]

Go to:

http://forums.ebay.ca/thread.jspa?threadID=500022243&start=400

There is a posting at the bottom of page 11 that specifies exactly what modifications are required for the various BMW models.
Don't forget the $350 letter of admissinility and the $500 recall claerance letter.

And don't forget about the 45 day wait for the recall clearance letter. Funny thing about that length of time. How long do you have to complete the importation after crossing the border???

[Monsieurmaggot]

Okay it appears I MADE A MISTAKE (and I am big enough to correct myself).

In my haste I compared an EX with an FX. My bad.


The price for the EX35 is MSRP: $31,300-36,250 Invoice: $28,792-33,330. Loaded with every option I could find on the Infinit.com website, it was just over $46k US MSRP! Some of those options are obviously repeated in the various packages but I left them on for comparison purposes. All smart RFDers only pay invoice pricing (many pay less - I did!)

Assume the dollars' at par give or take 2% (or $200 per $10,000):

This is what I got off the Internet in five minutes of searching:

2008 EX35 Model code: 88518 (source: infiniti.com)
Wheat Leather/Maple Wood
Packages and Options
Technology Package $1,950.00
Roofrails $200.00
Premium Package $2,150.00
Navigation Package $2,150.00
Wood Trim $450.00
Luxe Elite Package $1,650.00
Accessories**
Splash Guards $116.00
Roof-Rail Crossbars (Silver) $250.00
Cargo Area Protector $70.00
Cargo Area Organizer $160.00
Configured MSRP* $45,396.00 <---- pay 6.1% duty on this price
Total pre-destination (after duty) 48.165.16
Destination and Handling $815.00
Total MSRP* $46,211.00 (Total with duty: 48,980.16)

I suspect that if I offered a dealer $40,000 US, he'd take it.
Total with duty: $42,440


In Canada (source: infiniti.ca):

Journey Package $1,600.00
Premium Package $3,100.00
Custom Leather Package $3,700.00
Navigation Package $3,250.00
Technology Package $1,700.00
3 Coat Paint $285.00

Base MSRP* $40,400.00
Total Packages $10,250.00
Total Designed MSRP† $50,650.00
Freight and PDE $1,650.00
Total* (before taxes) $52,300.00

Assume they will sell you one for $48,000.

That's still $5500 more expensive in Canada (or $5775 with GST).

That's getting close for me to stay in Canada but not quite yet.

[myhilow]

Has anyone tried using a friends address in the us, who lives in a different state than were you are purchasing, as a means of avoiding state taxes and getting a dealer to sell to you? That is using your own name but a friends address. Getting a temporary license permit and importing it into Canada??
Can you see any road blocks in doing it in this way?

[bulgurc]

None what soever...

[dogdog]

This will not work.

You need evidence that the buyer is an American resident and has an out of state address: ie utility bills in YOUR name, drivers licence in a different state etc. Better to get your friend to buy the car and pay him a fee (pizza and beer) to get the car.




Has anyone tried using a friends address in the us, who lives in a different state than were you are purchasing, as a means of avoiding state taxes and getting a dealer to sell to you? That is using your own name but a friends address. Getting a temporary license permit and importing it into Canada??
Can you see any road blocks in doing it in this way?

[Bailey4427]

Bailey,

The Certificate of Title for a Vehicle of Pennsylvania I got from the dealer (, say Dealer B in NY, that I am buying the van from) shows at the back side the last PURCHASER is Dealer A in New Jersey ( Dealer A bought the car at Auction in Penn.). My dealer Dealer B faxed me the "Reassignment of Certificate of Ownership by Licensed New Jersey Dealer" showing Dealer B bought the car from Dealer A. He told me it is not necessary that always get a DMV title, but as an alternative, he got bill of sale and Reassignment of Certificate of Ownership that will work.

Do you think it makes sense or not? I should probably have to fax this Reassignment of Certificate of Ownership together with the Certificate of Title for a Vehicle of Penn. to the Lewiston Bridge.

Thanks

Ya that makes sense. Just fax those things to the US border just in case and you should be good to go from there.

[cinqhoda]

Thanks for confirming my findings. Indeed, Monsieurmaggot had priced a different vehicle entirely. All I am saying here is give credit where credit is due. This is one company that is at least trying. In fact, if I wasn't a car guy through and through I would consider the EX in Canada. As I said before, they really need to sharpen their pencils on the G35. I am probably going to buy one of those stateside. Still a difference of about $9,000 after the $4500 cash-back deal.

I think it is a lot easier for them to price the EX35 close to the US price because it is a new model and there are no previous buyers/leasers that can be affected by a large MSRP reduction.

Hopefully they will increase the cash back incentives and/or reduce the MSRP for the rest of their product line. As it stands now it is a no-brainer to purchase G35's in the US with willing dealers and transferable warranties.

A co-worker of mine just bought a new G35x from a dealer in Portland, OR. He was a little worried about finding a dealer that would sell to him after I told him about the policies of other manufacturers. He phoned a dealership in Seattle and asked if they have a problem selling a new car for the purpose of exporting to Canada. The response: "Mister, I'm in the business of selling cars. It doesn't matter to me where you're from or where you drive it."

[Gabriel Kish]

What if you have a friend that lives in a tax free state. Can you use a Canadan drivers license saying your moving there, with proof of insurance from that state and address?

You wouldn't have to have a drivers license from that state? The dealer is not willing to sign at the border though they will sell at U.S. pricing.

[petaling108]

Iasked a Saab dealer in Delaware which supposedly has no state tax regarding this
(1) Cant sell to Canadian direct(GM edict,funny considering a co that lost billions last year)
(2)selling to my friend in Pennsylvania (1 hr away) and then my friend selling it to me;
he said his co in Delaware would have to charge state tax of 6 % to a PA resident

[dsds]

Does anybody think a sticker is a good idea to promote this forum or celebrate their successful import?
I'd put one on my Tacoma. Vinyl decal with white letters?
The 'maggot is in charge of carburner.com as well, right?
That would be easy an easy one.

I'd buy one from you for all of your help, dear Monsieurmaggot.

[bulgurc]

What if you have a friend that lives in a tax free state. Can you use a Canadan drivers license saying your moving there, with proof of insurance from that state and address?

You wouldn't have to have a drivers license from that state? The dealer is not willing to sign at the border though they will sell at U.S. pricing.

That is exactly what I did. You have to find a dealer who is cooperative though. My official line was that I was moving to states, got DE insurance with my Cdn. driver license. The car was sold to a DE address. I drove it to Canada. Unofficially dealership knew this, they do not care, no risk to them

[Matty]

I think it is a lot easier for them to price the EX35 close to the US price because it is a new model and there are no previous buyers/leasers that can be affected by a large MSRP reduction. "

You bring up a GREAT point. But we only wish it were true. There's virtually no way that it's going to be the rule for all-new cars from here on.

If it IS the case, then all the following all-new cars will be priced the same in Canada as in the US:

- Ford Flex
- BMW 1 Series
- Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution
- Saturn Astra
- 2008 Nissan Cube
- Volvo XC60
- Pontiac G8
- Tesla Roadster
- Dodge Journey
- Toyota Venza
- Hyundai Genesis
- Audi RS6

Fat chance, methinks.

[myhilow]

What if you have a friend that lives in a tax free state. Can you use a Canadan drivers license saying your moving there, with proof of insurance from that state and address?

You wouldn't have to have a drivers license from that state? The dealer is not willing to sign at the border though they will sell at U.S. pricing.

What did you mean when you said - the dealer is not willing to sign at the border though they will sell at U.S. pricing?

[HP_John]

Thanks for confirming my findings. Indeed, Monsieurmaggot had priced a different vehicle entirely. All I am saying here is give credit where credit is due. This is one company that is at least trying. In fact, if I wasn't a car guy through and through I would consider the EX in Canada. As I said before, they really need to sharpen their pencils on the G35. I am probably going to buy one of those stateside. Still a difference of about $9,000 after the $4500 cash-back deal.

I'm a Cdn who bought a G37 in the US (I'm also on myG37 as HP_John). I saved about $8 K then, but your figures may be off on the G35. Due to Cdn dealers discounting much more now, savings are less. I know the G37 isn't the same, but I'm pretty sure these #s are relatively comparable for a G35.

Cdn G37 (premium pkg std)
$49 K - rebate & $3000 discount (you can get $3500 off if fully loaded)
= $41.5 K
+ 13% tax = $46895

US G37 Journey w/ premium pkg
$39225 - discount ($500 under invoice is the best folks are getting in Cali now)
= $35428
+ 6.1% duty = $37589
+ 13% tax = $42476
+ shipping to Buffalo ($1089) = $43565
+ other fees (RIV, DRL, wire) = $44005

$46895 - $44005 = $2890 saving, assumes $1 Cdn = $1 US. However, if I shipped to my Ont home & had the shipper do the border paper work, it would've cost another $1100. In that case, your savings would be $1890.

[HP_John]

Cdn G35
$41640 - rebate & $2500 discount (you can get $3000 off if fully loaded)
= $34640
+ 13% tax = $39143

US G35
$32565 - discount (invoice is the best folks are getting)
= $30011
+ 6.1% duty = $31842
+ 13% tax = $35981
+ shipping to Buffalo ($1089) = $37070
+ other fees (RIV, DRL, wire) = $37510

$39143 - $37510 = $1633 saving, assumes $1 Cdn = $1 US. However, if I shipped to my Ont home & had the shipper do the border paper work, it would've cost another $1100. In that case, your savings would be $533. I know that fully loaded can change the numbers, but not $8500 worth.

You won't get invoice at a border dealer, to get that you'll have to buy from a dealer far enough that you'd end up paying shipping. I found that even with shipping, the Cali dealer would still be cheaper than the near border dealers (who are gouging because many Cdns don't cross shop vs dealers far enough that would need shipping).

[SonnyWood]

I am looking at buying a car from US and the dealer said I would only have to pay the 299 document fee and 50 for temporary license to drive home. Could someone direct me to information about how I can import this car and maybe some advice to get it accross the border to NB?

[elmst200]

you seems not good at math. Look at this
$41640 - $2500 = $39140, NOT $34640

Besides, the discount in most cases is after-tax, so the total cost for a canaidan G35 under your formulation is: $44553.2, NOT $39143 in your calculation
$41640 *1.13 - $2500 = $44553.2

Cdn G35
$41640 - rebate & $2500 discount (you can get $3000 off if fully loaded)
= $34640
+ 13% tax = $39143

US G35
$32565 - discount (invoice is the best folks are getting)
= $30011
+ 6.1% duty = $31842
+ 13% tax = $35981
+ shipping to Buffalo ($1089) = $37070
+ other fees (RIV, DRL, wire) = $37510

$39143 - $37510 = $1633 saving, assumes $1 Cdn = $1 US. However, if I shipped to my Ont home & had the shipper do the border paper work, it would've cost another $1100. In that case, your savings would be $533. I know that fully loaded can change the numbers, but not $8500 worth.

You won't get invoice at a border dealer, to get that you'll have to buy from a dealer far enough that you'd end up paying shipping. I found that even with shipping, the Cali dealer would still be cheaper than the near border dealers (who are gouging because many Cdns don't cross shop vs dealers far enough that would need shipping).

[nornet]

You bring up a GREAT point. But we only wish it were true. There's virtually no way that it's going to be the rule for all-new cars from here on.

If it IS the case, then all the following all-new cars will be priced the same in Canada as in the US:

- Ford Flex
- BMW 1 Series
- Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution
- Saturn Astra
- 2008 Nissan Cube
- Volvo XC60
- Pontiac G8
- Tesla Roadster
- Dodge Journey
- Toyota Venza
- Hyundai Genesis
- Audi RS6

Fat chance, methinks.

The Tesla at par, count me in. Don't know if the 09 will be admissible (08 sold out long ago).

[Gabriel Kish]

The pricing isn't a problem, but getting around the taxes is. They will not send a business manager to the Canadian border to sign the paper work. In Mi if it is signed at the border you do not pay taxes. Too much of a pain for them I guess.

I can use my friends address though. Thank you for all the responces. I'll keep posting as it continues.

[elmst200]

Calculation is wrong, check it out. It should be:

$49 K - rebate & $3000 discount (you can get $3500 off if fully loaded)
= $46 K

I'm a Cdn who bought a G37 in the US (I'm also on myG37 as HP_John). I saved about $8 K then, but your figures may be off on the G35. Due to Cdn dealers discounting much more now, savings are less. I know the G37 isn't the same, but I'm pretty sure these #s are relatively comparable for a G35.

Cdn G37 (premium pkg std)
$49 K - rebate & $3000 discount (you can get $3500 off if fully loaded)
= $41.5 K
+ 13% tax = $46895

US G37 Journey w/ premium pkg
$39225 - discount ($500 under invoice is the best folks are getting in Cali now)
= $35428
+ 6.1% duty = $37589
+ 13% tax = $42476
+ shipping to Buffalo ($1089) = $43565
+ other fees (RIV, DRL, wire) = $44005

$46895 - $44005 = $2890 saving, assumes $1 Cdn = $1 US. However, if I shipped to my Ont home & had the shipper do the border paper work, it would've cost another $1100. In that case, your savings would be $1890.

[michelb]

Calculation is wrong, check it out. It should be:

$49 K - rebate & $3000 discount (you can get $3500 off if fully loaded)
= $46 K

I think he means that you can get $3000 discount + negotiate $3500 off the price for a total of $6500 off MSRP (not sure how accurate it is but that's his arguement and explains his math).

[bulgurc]

The pricing isn't a problem, but getting around the taxes is. They will not send a business manager to the Canadian border to sign the paper work. In Mi if it is signed at the border you do not pay taxes. Too much of a pain for them I guess.

I can use my friends address though. Thank you for all the responces. I'll keep posting as it continues.

If it is out of state and it is a no sales tax state there will not be a sales tax. I almost bought in MI. Also there are states MI does not have agreement to collect state taxes.

The other thing they can do is, put the car on a flat bed to ship to the US side of the border (if it close to border) and you pick it up there. You can do everything over the fax. Business manager does not need to be there, as I can see

[bulgurc]

I think he means that you can get $3000 discount + negotiate $3500 off the price for a total of $6500 off MSRP (not sure how accurate it is but that's his arguement and explains his math).

You should be able to negotiate in States to (I did). You have to compare apples to apples

[Tender]

I think he means that you can get $3000 discount + negotiate $3500 off the price for a total of $6500 off MSRP (not sure how accurate it is but that's his arguement and explains his math).

More like the other way around: $3500 discount and negotiate $3000 off. However that gives you $42500, not $41500.

[Tender]

You should be able to negotiate in States to (I did). You have to compare apples to apples

HP_John used $500 under invoice, not MSRP.

[Gabriel Kish]

Really? You mean you don't even have to go to the dealership? They can fax or overnight the paper work then they they can just drop the car off (once they get my money of course) at the border. That would be amazingly convienant. Dealers really will do this???




The other thing they can do is, put the car on a flat bed to ship to the US side of the border (if it close to border) and you pick it up there. You can do everything over the fax. Business manager does not need to be there, as I can see[/QUOTE]

[HP_John]

you seems not good at math. Look at this
$41640 - $2500 = $39140, NOT $34640

Besides, the discount in most cases is after-tax, so the total cost for a canaidan G35 under your formulation is: $44553.2, NOT $39143 in your calculation
$41640 *1.13 - $2500 = $44553.2

I said minus rebate & discount, the current rebate is $4500, + a discount of $2500 = a total discount of $7000. This is applied pre-tax.

[HP_John]

There is a current rebate of $4500 from the manufacturer. Plus you can haggle, which is what the discount that I put in the figures are. I got the discount amounts (not rebate) off what people were able to get from reading G35driver & myG37.

I bought in the US & saved about $8 K, I'm just pointing out that right now, the spread has become very little for the G35 & G37. It doesn't mean every Infiniti car is a reasonable deal in Canada.

For the US prices, I assumed people would be able to get $500 under invoice (not MSRP) on the G37 & invoice on the G35, so I did account for a big discount from US dealers.

[myhilow]

Why do I not see it on the list of admissible vehicles. I have read that some people have imported it, just can't see it on the list???

[ac328]

There is a current rebate of $4500 from the manufacturer. Plus you can haggle, which is what the discount that I put in the figures are. I got the discount amounts (not rebate) off what people were able to get from reading G35driver & myG37.

I bought in the US & saved about $8 K, I'm just pointing out that right now, the spread has become very little for the G35 & G37. It doesn't mean every Infiniti car is a reasonable deal in Canada.

For the US prices, I assumed people would be able to get $500 under invoice (not MSRP) on the G37 & invoice on the G35, so I did account for a big discount from US dealers.


I originally wanted to get an Infiniti G35 but I cheaped out and ended up with a Subaru Outback (I know, totally different animal).

The things that put me off included having to pay 6.1% duty, no DRLs, and the fact that there's only one Infiniti dealer here in Calgary, who I have heard is a complete a$$hat to anyone with a US car.

The Infiniti would have worked out to be about 10k more including interest, and the Subaru required no mods so I said screw it and went for that instead.

Otherwise I thought the Infiniti was a great car. Hard on gas, so I hear, but the Outback ain't much better. I loved being able to change from miles and farenheit to metric at the push of a button. And obviously the rest of the car is a high tech feast.

Decided to stick the 10k saved in my RRSP, head over heart eh!

[CheapScotsman]

Why do I not see it on the list of admissible vehicles. I have read that some people have imported it, just can't see it on the list???Go to the PDF document (via www.riv.ca will take you here: http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/VAFUS.pdf and

a) Pg 21 "SECTION 5 - MULTIPURPOSE PASSENGER VEHICLES (MPV)MANUFACTURED BEFORE SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2007" covers Sienna's built prior to Sep 1, 2007

b) Pg 25, last row on the page under Toyota covers Siennas built after Sep 1, 2007

[mole11]

This will not work.

You need evidence that the buyer is an American resident and has an out of state address: ie utility bills in YOUR name, drivers licence in a different state etc. Better to get your friend to buy the car and pay him a fee (pizza and beer) to get the car.

This is not true. Just bought an 2008 Acura MDX in New York state. I used a friends Florida address. I had no problems. Picking up the vehicle next week. Will give details of my experience when everything has been completed. Stay tuned.

[cinqhoda]

You bring up a GREAT point. But we only wish it were true. There's virtually no way that it's going to be the rule for all-new cars from here on.

If it IS the case, then all the following all-new cars will be priced the same in Canada as in the US:

- Ford Flex
- BMW 1 Series
- Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution
- Saturn Astra
- 2008 Nissan Cube
- Volvo XC60
- Pontiac G8
- Tesla Roadster
- Dodge Journey
- Toyota Venza
- Hyundai Genesis
- Audi RS6

Fat chance, methinks.

I did not mean to imply that this was going to be the rule for all manufacturers (including Infiniti) going forward. That said, all the new models you listed are produced by manufacturers that are banning sales for purpose of export and/or voiding warranties and/or charging exorbitant fees for Admissibility Letters and unnecessarily "Canadianizing" your vehicle.

As far as I can tell, US Infiniti dealers are not subject to penalties for selling for purpose of export and Infiniti Canada honors the warranty. I would think that there is a little more pressure on Infinti than others to bring their prices in line, although I am not holding my breath.

A couple of posts above by HP_John has illustrated that Infiniti is moving a lot closer to price parity with the G35.

[myhilow]

Go to the PDF document (via www.riv.ca will take you here: http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/VAFUS.pdf and

a) Pg 21 "SECTION 5 - MULTIPURPOSE PASSENGER VEHICLES (MPV)MANUFACTURED BEFORE SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2007" covers Sienna's built prior to Sep 1, 2007

b) Pg 25, last row on the page under Toyota covers Siennas built after Sep 1, 2007

Thanks ...I guess I did not look far enough.

[Marzipan]

The other thing they can do is, put the car on a flat bed to ship to the US side of the border (if it close to border) and you pick it up there. You can do everything over the fax. Business manager does not need to be there, as I can see[/QUOTE]

When you have a vehicle transported to the US side of the border, how do you receive it?

Do you need to be lurking around waiting for the truck to arrive so you can sign for it and get the keys? Or, is there another way?

Anyone done this?

[Tender]

I placed an order by the end of year 2007 and still waiting for my car. Dealer said it's popular hence the wait (Tribeca 7-passenger limited). Not sure if it's just me or everyone else.

[bulgurc]

When you have a vehicle transported to the US side of the border, how do you receive it?

Do you need to be lurking around waiting for the truck to arrive so you can sign for it and get the keys? Or, is there another way?

Anyone done this?[/QUOTE]
You have to arrange it with the dealer. Probable best thing is, arrange a place you can meet, somewhere by the US customs. Once you get there, give the dealer a call. You have to wait a little bit. Dealer can arrange the flat bed and you can take possession.

I have never done this, although it should be doable. When I was trying to deal with a broker, he was gonna deliver the car to Niagara Falls US, to a parking lot. A lot harder to arrange considering the transport was coming from the other side of the continent. Should be simpler if it is coming from a few miles.

[Marzipan]

In the US the document fees are a significant extra - just like the US S&H charges. Let's go through these documents so we can learn from each other just what is involved. It seems to me there aren't many documents involved.

Please add to and comment on these.

1. Generally no financing costs for cash paying Canadians i.e. no credit checks.

2. Bill of sale. I hope they don't charge for that.

3. Release of title. That seems to be a question of signing it on the back.

4. No registration of title with the State - unlike when a local buys.

5. No licencing the vehicle for right to drive on State's highways, i.e. plates.

6. You do need a temporary permit or trip permit to get the vehicle through all States to the border. (Oregon, do it yourself by mail $20; Washington difficult to do it yourself, cost is $25 to $30.)

7. If in a sales tax State you will need to declare, prove and notorize that you live outside State. (I downloaded the form for WA.)

8. Dealer may have to inform State DMV of a change of ownership - otherwise the previous owner gets your parking tickets.

9. Dealer must get Recall letter for you.

10. Dealer must fax export documents (title and Bill of Sale) to US Border.

My approach will be to find out what documents dealer intends to charge for. Get him to tell you then see if he is being reasonable. He is presumably already selling to a Canadian at a fatter price. Lets not give away too much of our savings

One dealer has this note bneath his vehicle prices.
The price for this vehicle as equipped does not include charges such as: License, Title, Registration Fees, State or Local Taxes, Finance Charges, Credit Investigation, Optional Credit Insurance, Physical Damage of Liability Insurance, or Delivery Fees.

[jimgiggles]

When you have a vehicle transported to the US side of the border, how do you receive it?

Do you need to be lurking around waiting for the truck to arrive so you can sign for it and get the keys? Or, is there another way?

Anyone done this?

Let me tell you..... BE VERY CAREFUL who you get to deliver it. From my personal experience, go with a company that has a depot they drop off to around the Buffalo area. I just went thru a nightmare having a car shipped from Chicago. The shipping company (McNutt Auto Transport) totally took me for a ride. I ended up having to stay in states the whole weekend because they didn't show up until 9pm Friday night.

There are companies like DAM, DAS. They will either meet you in a parking lot, or deliver to the depot, and you got and pick up when you're ready. I am kinda sleepy right now, but i will explain in full my disastrous story with these shippers. I have almost successfully imported a '05 Chevy Equinox. I will post that a little later as well :)

[the company]

Wanted to thank everyone who has contributed to this forum: it is a terrific resource. I originally wanted to import an STI, but they ran out quickly at the end of December. I bought a Mazdaspeed 3 instead and finally had it plated today. I could have bought new, but liked the savings on a used more.

I have nothing to add to the process, which is well documented and made my life easier. Some people have asked about skipping the US customs portion and going straight through Canadian customs. I did this because I hadn't realised last Monday was President's Day. I asked at the Lynden border to see if I could bring it back another day for export, but from the Canadian side. They asked quite a few questions when I returned a few days later, but it can be done: I am proof. The other thing is to remember to get Canadian Tire to stamp your Form 1. They forgot and I had to go back because I couldn't get insurance without it.

[michelb]

Why do I not see it on the list of admissible vehicles. I have read that some people have imported it, just can't see it on the list???

Go to the PDF document (via www.riv.ca will take you here: http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/VAFUS.pdf and

a) Pg 21 "SECTION 5 - MULTIPURPOSE PASSENGER VEHICLES (MPV)MANUFACTURED BEFORE SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2007" covers Sienna's built prior to Sep 1, 2007

b) Pg 25, last row on the page under Toyota covers Siennas built after Sep 1, 2007

As mentioned by CheapScotsman, it's on the admissible list. The only thing you need to worry about is the immobilizer so you probably want to get at least an LE trim (it does not come standard with the CE although maybe it's an option). (Limiteds also come with DRL but it might be possible to disable it so it might not pass the inspection anyway. If it does pass and is valid, I think you can enable it on other trims by simply adding a fuse in the fuse box).

[michelb]

Let me tell you..... BE VERY CAREFUL who you get to deliver it. From my personal experience, go with a company that has a depot they drop off to around the Buffalo area. I just went thru a nightmare having a car shipped from Chicago. The shipping company (McNutt Auto Transport) totally took me for a ride. I ended up having to stay in states the whole weekend because they didn't show up until 9pm Friday night.

There are companies like DAM, DAS. They will either meet you in a parking lot, or deliver to the depot, and you got and pick up when you're ready. I am kinda sleepy right now, but i will explain in full my disastrous story with these shippers. I have almost successfully imported a '05 Chevy Equinox. I will post that a little later as well :)

Yeah, shipping can be a pain. There are tons of companies claiming to do it and a bunch are really bad. You should check http://www.transportreviews.com/ (which I only found out after my experience) to try to find a good one. When you talk to them, they'll all tell you that it takes between 1-7 days to arrange schedule a pickup but I'd try to push for a firm date. Also make sure you know what their cancellation policy is and what happens to your deposit if you cancel.

I recently lost a vehicle because I was unable to have it shipped in almost 4 weeks and it was eventually damaged sitting at the dealership lot. The first company (Express Auto Transport, who I found through eBay) was horrible; they told me no problem, it will be done between 1-7 days so I booked with them and after that they could never give me an answer (actually just getting through with them was near impossible). After 2 weeks, I cancelled and lost my deposit since, although they told me 1-7 days when I booked, you can't cancel before 15 days after the date you tell them the car is ready for pickup (i.e. if you tell them the car will be ready for pickup in 3 days, you can't cancel until the 19th day after you place the order). The second company I took was Florida Auto Transport and, while they seemed better, also didn't get it done. When I booked they told me they'd pick up and deliver with 7 business days - unfortunately the car was damaged before they even set a firm pick-up date although it looks like they had it tentatively for 8 business days after I booked.

[Trexim]

I placed an order by the end of year 2007 and still waiting for my car. Dealer said it's popular hence the wait (Tribeca 7-passenger limited). Not sure if it's just me or everyone else.

First week of Dec, still waiting for mine, same car. Van Bortel. Kind of sick of waiting really.

[J233]

Have not been on on the forum for a few good weeks - I guess I am spending too much time enjoying my imported Saturn Outlook :)
This is slightly off topic (cars) but maybe somebody could help me here....I am planning to buy a brand new travel trailer in the US. The thing is that the title will be mailed to my address aprx two weeks after delivery. I can get the MSO and the bill of sale of course when I pick up the trailer but RIV is telling me that I will need the title when I cross the border (Canadian Customs - no need to stop at the US side as the trailer is not a self propelled vehicle).
I tried to contact CBSA but they are closed till Monday. Any thoughts ?

J233

[Marzipan]

Yeah, shipping can be a pain. There are tons of companies claiming to do it and a bunch are really bad. You should check http://www.transportreviews.com/

I've read a lot of reviews of shipping companies at the above site and found,

1) Most deals reported are brokered. That is the company you deal with finds a carrier going your way and you won't know which it is going to be.

2) Most of the complaints are about delivery delays. They tell you what you want to hear until they get your money. Customers really want their vehicles asap. But it is unreasonable to expect prompt delivery except on the busy transportation corridors. There are road closures, holidays and break-downs.

[sandman101]

When you pay the gst and the 6.1 duty at customs can you pay with visa or cash?
thanks

[Tender]

First week of Dec, still waiting for mine, same car. Van Bortel. Kind of sick of waiting really.

VB as well. Just don't understand how it could take this long.

[bargainhuntr]

I can get the MSO and the bill of sale of course when I pick up the trailer but RIV is telling me that I will need the title when I cross the border (Canadian Customs - no need to stop at the US side as the trailer is not a self propelled vehicle).
I tried to contact CBSA but they are closed till Monday. Any thoughts ?

J233

If you have the MSO signed over to you I believe that is the title you require. As for the CBP(U.S.) or CBSA(Can.) Call Detroit/Windsor as their open 24/7. Try not to rely on the folks at the RIV for much.

[jagzjagz]

Hi guys,

I've read all posts and I'm getting familiar with the process. If I am buying a private used BMW from a person in Seattle, how would I drive the car to the border? Would I need to get U.S. day insurance on the car?

Also, I have heard that a recall letter from a US authorized dealer should suffice. Do I need it to be a Canadian authorized dealer?

Finally, is there anything else I should be aware of when driving the vehicle across the border? I pay the fees, bring it into B.C., then ensure I can do the authorized modifications by the dealer and it should be good to go?

[HP_John]

I had my car shipped to Elma, which is near Buffalo. They shipped it to a shop that they have a contract with (DAS Shipping). They can ship it to anywhere you like instead of shops that they have contracts with, but you'll have to pay extra. DAS fees are all clearly spelled out on their site, where you can get instant quotes.

Shipping companies usually don't give you a definitive guaranteed delivery date, there's too many variables. DAS does give a definitive guaranteed delivery date if you pay extra. If it's not delivered by that day, they refund the entire shipping cost if I'm not mistaken.

[Monsieurmaggot]

VB as well. Just don't understand how it could take this long.

A 12 to 16 week waiting period for factory orders are not uncommon.

A friend of mine wanted specific options on his Toyota and ordered a factory unit. It took almost 18 weeks to get it. The dealer was surprised that he'd wait that long.

But there's nothing like getting a new car equipped the way you want it. The more options the manufacturer offers, the tougher it is to find exactly what you want in stock.

I ran into the same problem.

[Monsieurmaggot]

When you pay the gst and the 6.1 duty at customs can you pay with visa or cash?
thanks

They take all forms of payment.

Debit, cash, credit cards, personal cheques too I suspect.

I understand they don't take cash for the RIV payment.

My payments were all done on AMEX.

[myhilow]

In trying to purchase a New Toyota vehicle, I was told by a dealer, that they are directed that they must register all vehicles for out of state sales, in the state, county, that you claim is your home state and that they no longer give out a copy of the MCO (Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin). (I was trying to avoid state taxes prior to importing it into canada). So even if you have a relative or friend, living in those states, the dealer as part of the sale has to registers it for them in that state.
Has anyone else experienced this?
Is there a State that these fees are minimal?
Has anyone found a way around this?

[giasone]

Yes you find a dealer who kind of bends the rules, he buys the car sells it to himself then re-sells it to you, it is therefore registered and Toyota doesn't have a clue what happend, the dealer issues the appropriate documents themselves. A dealer offered to do this for me in November, you have to try different dealers just because one works by the book it doesn't mean they all do. It seems that the manufacturers who sell the most cars are the least flexible. You have to think outside of the box, there are always tricks and ways around things. I can't give too much information out on here in case there are undesirables reading this post, good luck!

[HacheyImports]

The Toyota dealers have been directed to restrict sales for export of new. That doesn't mean it is working mind you. My personal opinion is that they are not serious about it like BMW or MBenz and are willing to accept sales occurring if it isn't done in a blatant manner.

Contact me if you are looking for a 2008 Toyota and I will arrange it for you, or post your questions and I will answer them.

Take care.

[bulgurc]

In trying to purchase a New Toyota vehicle, I was told by a dealer, that they are directed that they must register all vehicles for out of state sales, in the state, county, that you claim is your home state and that they no longer give out a copy of the MCO (Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin). (I was trying to avoid state taxes prior to importing it into canada). So even if you have a relative or friend, living in those states, the dealer as part of the sale has to registers it for them in that state.
Has anyone else experienced this?
Is there a State that these fees are minimal?
Has anyone found a way around this?

That probable depends on the Sate. I know Ohio does it like that. You never see MSO. Makes it impossible to use relatives like that

[Marzipan]

Hi guys,

I've read all posts and I'm getting familiar with the process. If I am buying a private used BMW from a person in Seattle, how would I drive the car to the border? Would I need to get U.S. day insurance on the car?



Since the vehicle is already licenced to be on Washington highways you may be able to keep the seller's plates and mail them back or destoy them. Or get a trip permit from Washington's Department of Licencing. Do a Web search for their offices and agents. $25 for 3 days - a bit more if you buy from agent. You will need to go with the seller to fill out the form etc..

Insurance. Yes you need this on all highways. Get it from your Cdn agent to cover you for the entire trip.

Seller has some obligations, like registering a change of ownership, meaning only formally advising Gov't that someone else now owns the vehicle.

Also, you may have to get a sales or use tax exemption as a non-resident. I don't know. Just check with Web searches.

[HP_John]

Hi guys,

I've read all posts and I'm getting familiar with the process. If I am buying a private used BMW from a person in Seattle, how would I drive the car to the border? Would I need to get U.S. day insurance on the car?

Also, I have heard that a recall letter from a US authorized dealer should suffice. Do I need it to be a Canadian authorized dealer?

Finally, is there anything else I should be aware of when driving the vehicle across the border? I pay the fees, bring it into B.C., then ensure I can do the authorized modifications by the dealer and it should be good to go?

You need to tell your Cdn insurance co. you're buying a new car & you'll get temp insurance.

US dealers aren't allowed to give recall letters anymore, they're no longer accepted. BMW Canada charges $500 for it.

Mods can only be done by BMW Canada dealers, usually a $1300 instrument cluster & DRL, & a $350 letter of admissibility. You need the LofA 1st (takes up to 1 wk, from Cdn dealer). Then you bring the car to a Cdn dealer & apply for the recall letter (up to 1 month).

All fees above are plus taxes. Yes, BMW Canada is really giving us a hard time.

[bulgurc]

Mods can only be done by BMW Canada dealers, usually a $1300 instrument cluster & DRL, & a $350 letter of admissibility.

All fees above are plus taxes. Yes, BMW Canada is really giving us a hard time.

Ditch BMW. It is ridiculous!!! :mad:

[mangoman]

yet another updated list

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/VAFUS.pdf

[petaling108]

Ditch BMW. It is ridiculous!!! :mad:

Where (which State) did you get your new Toyota Highlander from???????

[bulgurc]

Ny

[Paladium]

I am thinking of getting this vehicle or the Legacy 2.5 GT Limited Sedan.

I've been reading these threads for a while and I know things changed a bit in early January.

I have sent an email to Hodges and Van Bortel to get a quote.

Has anyone bought this car lately and can give me any advice? If they quote 27,000 on the site is that what I can expect or is there some negotiation room?

Am I out of luck when it comes to incentives? Any hidden costs?

Any suggestions would be welcome. Thanks

Dean

[Lost Horizon]

I am thinking of getting this vehicle or the Legacy 2.5 GT Limited Sedan.
I've been reading these threads for a while and I know things changed a bit in early January.

I have sent an email to Hodges and Van Bortel to get a quote.
Has anyone bought this car lately and can give me any advice? If they quote 27,000 on the site is that what I can expect or is there some negotiation room?

Am I out of luck when it comes to incentives? Any hidden costs?
Any suggestions would be welcome. Thanks

Dean

We bought ours end of October.. not exactly that car, just the Limited, from Bellingham WA. The Limited Edition with AutoDim Mirror, Compass/Homelink and the Splash Guard set. The retail on the car was $25,453, and that included Destination and Delivery. The dealer sold it to us for 22,081 without quibbling at all, which was 2,000 below MSRP. There were no surprises or hidden fees. That was the surprise, having been conditioned over the last 15 cars to "The Canadian Way".

BTW, the car came with WA state Lemon Law protection. It's been flawless as one of our daily drivers. My wife will never go back to Honda. 4 Honda's in a row, and one Subaru as the spoiler. What jerks Honda are to throw away a brand loyal customer. How fortunate we were to have been shaken out of the Honda coma by this dollar dust up. May they rot in hell. :D

[petaling108]

We bought ours end of October.. not exactly that car, just the Limited, from Bellingham WA. The Limited Edition with AutoDim Mirror, Compass/Homelink and the Splash Guard set. The retail on the car was $25,453, and that included Destination and Delivery. The dealer sold it to us for 22,081 without quibbling at all, which was 2,000 below MSRP. There were no surprises or hidden fees. That was the surprise, having been conditioned over the last 15 cars to "The Canadian Way".

BTW, the car came with WA state Lemon Law protection. It's been flawless as one of our daily drivers. My wife will never go back to Honda. 4 Honda's in a row, and one Subaru as the spoiler. What jerks Honda are to throw away a brand loyal customer. How fortunate we were to have been shaken out of the Honda coma by this dollar dust up. May they rot in hell. :D

I've informed by a PA Subaru dealer that cos I am out of state,as of Jan 08 they cant give me the rebate of 1250$ ie expect to pay 22081+1250=$23331?

[Ventrick]

I bought the Legacy 2.5i Limited from Fitzmall in Maryland. Only option I added was the Centre Console Extension and my out the door cost was $21,591. Was no real negotiation as it was already cheaper then the quotes I got from Manchester and Van Bortel.

I am thinking of getting this vehicle or the Legacy 2.5 GT Limited Sedan.

I've been reading these threads for a while and I know things changed a bit in early January.

I have sent an email to Hodges and Van Bortel to get a quote.

Has anyone bought this car lately and can give me any advice? If they quote 27,000 on the site is that what I can expect or is there some negotiation room?

Am I out of luck when it comes to incentives? Any hidden costs?

Any suggestions would be welcome. Thanks

Dean

[petaling108]

I bought the Legacy 2.5i Limited from Fitzmall in Maryland. Only option I added was the Centre Console Extension and my out the door cost was $21,591. Was no real negotiation as it was already cheaper then the quotes I got from Manchester and Van Bortel.

This year or last year?

Was the rebate given to you?

[Ventrick]

This year or last year?

Was the rebate given to you?

Sorry this was last year, so included the rebate.

[gilad]

Has anyone found a US Subaru dealer that is still giving the rebate to Canadian customers?

[HP_John]

I've informed by a PA Subaru dealer that cos I am out of state,as of Jan 08 they cant give me the rebate of 1250$ ie expect to pay 22081+1250=$23331?

Infiniti gave me a rebate in Jan, sounds like BS.

[Survivor1]

I am going to bring in a new vehicle (into Alberta) through Sweetgrass within the next several weeks. From what I have gathered, the following is what I need to fax to the US Custom at least 72 hours prior to crossing the border:
- MCO
- contract of sales
- export worksheet
Have I missed anything?
My dealer is not experienced in exporting. So he is not sure what is needed for the US Custom.
Does anyone know where I can download a copy of export worksheet?
Thx.

[Dave12345]

Has anyone bought a Mitsubishi from the states? I hear that the warranty is not valid in Canada. That true??

[usacars2canada]

Has anyone bought a Mitsubishi from the states? I hear that the warranty is not valid in Canada. That true??

According to the APA, this is true:
http://www.apa.ca/template.asp?DocID=253#MITSUBISHI

NO Warranty Coverage

You may call Mitsubishi Motor Sales of Canada 1-888-576-4878 to confirm.

[Jay-c]

According to the APA, this is true:
http://www.apa.ca/template.asp?DocID=253#MITSUBISHI

NO Warranty Coverage

You may call Mitsubishi Motor Sales of Canada 1-888-576-4878 to confirm.

i emailed them back in the fall, they confirmed the above - no warranty

[Monsieurmaggot]

Has anyone found a US Subaru dealer that is still giving the rebate to Canadian customers?


That will be tough since Subaru of America issued the memorandum to all their US vendors telling them that SoA would not honour rebate for cross-border sales. The US dealers also lose their "sales credit" which essentially says that sales to Canadians don't count in their "reported totals".

That doesn't leave any real incentive for the US dealer to sell you a Subaru.

The positive side is that they will still sell you a car and Subaru of Canada will permit it.

[PrimeBane]

I am going to bring in a new vehicle (into Alberta) through Sweetgrass within the next several weeks. From what I have gathered, the following is what I need to fax to the US Custom at least 72 hours prior to crossing the border:
- MCO
- contract of sales
- export worksheet
Have I missed anything?
My dealer is not experienced in exporting. So he is not sure what is needed for the US Custom.
Does anyone know where I can download a copy of export worksheet?
Thx.

I didn't cross at Sweetgrass, but you should only need to fax the MCO 72 hours before. Make sure after the dealer faxes it that you call the crossing to confirm they go it okay.

If in doubt, call the Sweetgrass US border crossing to confirm what they require for export.

If you haven't read it already, go through http://www.carburner.com for all the info. :)

[Lost Horizon]

I've informed by a PA Subaru dealer that cos I am out of state,as of Jan 08 they cant give me the rebate of 1250$ ie expect to pay 22081+1250=$23331?

That's correct. Still a great deal compared to the best local price I could find..

[NerV]

Hey guys! Sorry if this question was asked before. I looked through a few pages and couldn't find any info regarding any Subaru Impreza. I'm particularly interested in WRX and WRX STI. Did anyone experience buying this kind of cars from USA?

Thanks.

[mr_package]

Hey guys! Sorry if this question was asked before. I looked through a few pages and couldn't find any info regarding any Subaru Impreza. I'm particularly interested in WRX and WRX STI. Did anyone experience buying this kind of cars from USA?

Thanks.

This whole thread started as a how-to guide to importing Subarus. Read it.

Also, http://www.carburner.com

edit: good choice on the STI-- why is Suburu trying to sell for $50,000 what sells for $35,000 in the USA?

[Monsieurmaggot]

good choice on the STI-- why is Suburu trying to sell for $50,000 what sells for $35,000 in the USA?


Answer=cause ill-informed Canadians don't realize they don't need to bend over.

Just like BMW of Canada's marketing group live by the "you need a car but you WANT a BMW - only a select few will actually own one" They are right. About 75% of BMWs are leased by Canadian companies who subsequently end up jacking up prices to their Canadian consumer to pay for these "tired and outdated" units.

In the case of Subaru, the STi is marketed to the "under 30 male". Since many of those guys still live at home are establishing themselves in good paying jobs, they're easy prey.

After all, you don't want to be driving a Civic like high school or 20-somethings.

[petaling108]

That will be tough since Subaru of America issued the memorandum to all their US vendors telling them that SoA would not honour rebate for cross-border sales. The US dealers also lose their "sales credit" which essentially says that sales to Canadians don't count in their "reported totals".

That doesn't leave any real incentive for the US dealer to sell you a Subaru.

The positive side is that they will still sell you a car and Subaru of Canada will permit it.

I can confirm what MonsieurMaggot says:here is a reply from a dealer in Delaware ,1000 km s from the border:(in a prev letter he said no dice for new Saab:
You are correct that Canadians can purchase new Subarus from U.S.
dealers.
However, as of 1/1/2008, any vehicle purchased by a person not
registering
the vehicle in the United States will NOT be eligible for current
Incentives
and/or Rebates.

Additionally, these sales do not count as 'retail' units for the
selling
dealer, so some dealers (I can't speak for all) may be either reluctant
to
sell the vehicle and/or locate vehicles not in their inventory, etc.
However, we'd be more than happy to do our best to work with you and
see if
we can put together something to get your father into a new Subaru (or
Pre-Owned Saab)!


I do want to verify these facts, so I'd be more comfortable with our
Subaru
Sales Manager double checking these facts prior to pricing...

Please feel free to speak with him as well; his name is *******

[fl4wless]

I need a new vehicle, will be heading down south in the next 3-4 weeks....ive got my picks down to the following (in no particular order)...

1) 08 Lexus IS250 AWD (made in japan) - warranty applies
2) 08 Mercedes C300 4Matic (made in germany) - warranty applies if MB dealer performs mods
3) 08 Audi A4 2.0T quattro (made in germany) - warranty applies
4) 08 Acura RDX (made in usa) - warranty info - same as honda ie. none??
5) 08 LandRover LR2 (made in UK) - warranty info ??



If anyone could confirm my warranty questions above and/or if you know of the modifications required for each vehicle above, please pm or reply in this post. Or if there is a link with this specific info by vehicle model/year that would be great. Didnt see it on riv.


thanks for any help.

[mikered]

I am going to bring in a new vehicle (into Alberta) through Sweetgrass within the next several weeks. From what I have gathered, the following is what I need to fax to the US Custom at least 72 hours prior to crossing the border:
- MCO
- contract of sales
- export worksheet
Have I missed anything?
My dealer is not experienced in exporting. So he is not sure what is needed for the US Custom.
Does anyone know where I can download a copy of export worksheet?
Thx.
The information you need is at the link below. Your actual documentation is faxed to the Whitlash port (406-432-5528)in Montana not Sweetgrass.Whitlash processes the documentation for Idaho and Montana even though you are exporting at sweetgrass.I found this out through a few phone calls.The export worksheet is also somewhere in the link below(could not find it tonight for some reason, the page would not load)I followed this in November and had no problems. You are correct as far as documents to be faxed. I bought used however and faxed everything just in case .Make sure you fax both sides of a document if needed.I filled out the export worksheet and then emailed it to my salesman , then I new the information was correct. Whitlash is open 24 hours a day so the 72 hours also includes weekends.I phoned the Whitlash port to confirm that my documentation was correct and there were no problems.Sweetgrass is also open 24hours a day so you can bring your vehicle across anytime after the 72 hours.
http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/export/export_docs/vehicle_exports/

[eastsidesubaru]

Has anyone found a US Subaru dealer that is still giving the rebate to Canadian customers?

We would if we could, but the only way is to mark it as a US sale and that would get us potentially in a lot of hot water.

[nornet]

We bought ours end of October.. not exactly that car, just the Limited, from Bellingham WA. The Limited Edition with AutoDim Mirror, Compass/Homelink and the Splash Guard set. The retail on the car was $25,453, and that included Destination and Delivery. The dealer sold it to us for 22,081 without quibbling at all, which was 2,000 below MSRP. There were no surprises or hidden fees. That was the surprise, having been conditioned over the last 15 cars to "The Canadian Way".

BTW, the car came with WA state Lemon Law protection. It's been flawless as one of our daily drivers. My wife will never go back to Honda. 4 Honda's in a row, and one Subaru as the spoiler. What jerks Honda are to throw away a brand loyal customer. How fortunate we were to have been shaken out of the Honda coma by this dollar dust up. May they rot in hell. :D
I thought the US lemon law (which is applicable to all US cars, not just Subaru) only covered US buyers. Dealers whether they be US or Canadian are in the business to sell cars not be your friend.
However US dealers certainly do come across as not trying to wring every last cent they can from a sale.

[d-kim]

I need a new vehicle, will be heading down south in the next 3-4 weeks....ive got my picks down to the following (in no particular order)...

1) 08 Lexus IS250 AWD (made in japan) - warranty applies
2) 08 Mercedes C300 4Matic (made in germany) - warranty applies if MB dealer performs mods
3) 08 Audi A4 2.0T quattro (made in germany) - warranty applies
4) 08 Acura RDX (made in usa) - warranty info - same as honda ie. none??
5) 08 LandRover LR2 (made in UK) - warranty info ??



If anyone could confirm my warranty questions above and/or if you know of the modifications required for each vehicle above, please pm or reply in this post. Or if there is a link with this specific info by vehicle model/year that would be great. Didnt see it on riv.


thanks for any help.
no warranty on the acura...

[mr_package]

After all, you don't want to be driving a Civic like high school or 20-somethings.

Aw dude that's ice cold-- I drive a Civic. (2006 SI)

Has anyone noticed G37 pricing seems a bit out of whack in the USA? MRSP is around $35k but on all the dealer websites they seem to be charging $40k-42k. That seems like an awful lot of markup or overpriced options to me..

[tleblanc]

Hi everyone,

First post ... long time viewer.. just wanted to thanks to all the contributors in this thread (from the import process to the best Exchange rates http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/images/smilies/razz.gif
:razz: .. and most of all to Monsieurmaggot for starting it all !

I am on the verge of buying a '08 Volvo and since I did not read a lot of stories about volvo's (lots of subys) ... if anyone has imported a volvo please respond or pm me and let me know how it went.
From what Volvo is telling me it's pretty straight forward .. although a little inconvenient and lengthy.
The process as I know it for Volvo's is :

Have to actually wire/send full amount of the vehicle to complete the sale and get the title
Once you have the Title/Copy of it... then send a copy of title (both sides) to Volvo Canada. They will snail mail you the letter of admissibility.
Once you have the recall letter, which Volvo USA will give you (Free of charge)
The admissibility letter from Volvo Canada (And it's Free of charge!!)
Bill of sale .. and vehicle ..Then you can import.
Once in Canada you have to bring it to the Volvo dealer for an import/safety inspection I called the local Volvo dealer and they told me ($<100) plus any modifications .. based on RIV modification requirements.. which Volvo meets all.
Time to import a volvo...possibly a month ... savings ... priceless.
Thanks for any and all info.

[michelb]

Hi everyone,

First post ... long time viewer.. just wanted to thanks to all the contributors in this thread (from the import process to the best Exchange rates http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/images/smilies/razz.gif
:razz: .. and most of all to Monsieurmaggot for starting it all !

I am on the verge of buying a '08 Volvo and since I did not read a lot of stories about volvo's (lots of subys) ... if anyone has imported a volvo please respond or pm me and let me know how it went.
From what Volvo is telling me it's pretty straight forward .. although a little inconvenient and lengthy.
The process as I know it for Volvo's is :

Have to actually wire/send full amount of the vehicle to complete the sale and get the title
Once you have the Title/Copy of it... then send a copy of title (both sides) to Volvo Canada. They will snail mail you the letter of admissibility.
Once you have the recall letter, which Volvo USA will give you (Free of charge)
The admissibility letter from Volvo Canada (And it's Free of charge!!)
Bill of sale .. and vehicle ..Then you can import.
Once in Canada you have to bring it to the Volvo dealer for an import/safety inspection I called the local Volvo dealer and they told me ($<100) plus any modifications .. based on RIV modification requirements.. which Volvo meets all.
Time to import a volvo...possibly a month ... savings ... priceless.
Thanks for any and all info.

The big thing I would like to confirm is the modifications. Saying 'based on RIV modification requirements ... which Volvo meets all' could get you in trouble. I would contact them with the VIN of the vehicle you want to buy (or a similar year/model) and confirm the modifications that will be required. With the way MB, BMW and Volvo handle imports, it's completely at their discretion (i.e. not based on RIV modification requirements) and they can make you replace whatever they want (e.g. I theory they could probably that you need to have the vehicle repainted completely and there's nothing you could do about it).

I'm also curious what they require but past attempts to find out from Volvo were completely useless.

[162]

Does anyone here have a link to information as to the manufacturers' car line for 2009 models? I'm interested in a new vehicle but if it is being discontinued for 2009 it would change my mind as to purchasing it.

[NerV]

This whole thread started as a how-to guide to importing Subarus. Read it.

Also, http://www.carburner.com

edit: good choice on the STI-- why is Suburu trying to sell for $50,000 what sells for $35,000 in the USA?

I read through the pages, but no one mentioned buying and STI. Most of the ppl are mentioning Tribeca and Legacy.

I've been using www.carburner.com and www.edmunds.com for research, but thanks a lot for mentioning. it.

I couldn't find any warranty info on VW. I know that Audi/VW are merged companies, so should I assume that VW US warranty is transferable to Canada?

Thanks.

[michelb]

...
edit: good choice on the STI-- why is Suburu trying to sell for $50,000 what sells for $35,000 in the USA?

Not trying to justify Subaru Canada's price but you also have to compare apples with apples. In Canada the STi comes with Nav and BBS standard - in the US it's a $3800 option. Also don't forget that you'll have to pay duty.

It should be US to Canada-> $39400 (after PDI) + 6.1% duty + RIV fee = $42000US
in Canada -> $46490CND (after PDI).

Still a considerable difference but it's less than $5k not $15k.

[NerV]

Not trying to justify Subaru Canada's price but you also have to compare apples with apples. In Canada the STi comes with Nav and BBS standard - in the US it's a $3800 option. Also don't forget that you'll have to pay duty.

It should be US to Canada-> $39400 (after PDI) + 6.1% duty + RIV fee = $42000US
in Canada -> $46490CND (after PDI).

Still a considerable difference but it's less than $5k not $15k.

What's BBS? Is it some kind of software to use a phone?

Regarding the navigation system, to be honest I don't see a point in that. I've seen some navigation system, but never used them. I don't see a difference between a $3500 integrated GPS and a $200 GPS any one can buy in the store.

[st7860]

What's BBS? Is it some kind of software to use a phone?

Regarding the navigation system, to be honest I don't see a point in that. I've seen some navigation system, but never used them. I don't see a difference between a $3500 integrated GPS and a $200 GPS any one can buy in the store.

exactly. you're more logical than that other guy who was trying to justify subaru canada's $15,000 higher price

[p110232]

What's BBS? Is it some kind of software to use a phone?


BBS is a brand of premium lightweight alloys. Goes for thousands per set of 4 but it's definitely cheaper buying after market than buying at the dealer.

[BoxsterS]

What's BBS? Is it some kind of software to use a phone?

Regarding the navigation system, to be honest I don't see a point in that. I've seen some navigation system, but never used them. I don't see a difference between a $3500 integrated GPS and a $200 GPS any one can buy in the store.


They're Brembo brakes.

[michelb]

What's BBS? Is it some kind of software to use a phone?

Regarding the navigation system, to be honest I don't see a point in that. I've seen some navigation system, but never used them. I don't see a difference between a $3500 integrated GPS and a $200 GPS any one can buy in the store.

exactly. you're more logical than that other guy who was trying to justify subaru canada's $15,000 higher price


Come on ... do a bit of research before you respond.

As mentioned, BBS is a premium brand of rims. If you go to their website (http://www.bbs-usa.com/) the comparable rims that you get with the package have an MSRP of over $700 each + tires (probably a good $200 each for decent quality 18" (could easily be $300-$400 each in Canada but I don't know what they actually come with)). (I would actually argue that getting a good aftermarket set of 18s will probably cost you easily $2k and you won't get the BBS name) (the package also adds foglights so you need to factor that in too)

As far as the GPS, if you don't see the difference between a factory integrated system with 7" LCD (also acts as your radio, trip computer, plays DVDs, provides Bluetooth integration (that's your cell phone) and provides GUI integration with portable music (e.g. iPod)) and a $200 after-market portable GPS then your not a very informed shopper. Also the navigation is a $1800 option, not $3500 (the rims/tires are $2000) and most decent after-market GPS will cost you $400-$600 not $200 so you should really be comparing a $1800 Navi (that is more than a GPS) to a $500 after-market GPS - if you want to get even pickier, you should actually be comparing the $1800 Nav to a $1000+ in-dash after-market GPS and stereo. I'm not saying that I'm a huge fan of the factory nav systems or believe that they are worth the price but they do provide some features and value that you can't get with after-market (if nothing else, the portable ones kind of look like crap IMO (and we have a $200 in our car).

In any case, the first thing I mentioned is that I'm not trying to justify Subaru Canada's price (if I was buying an STi, I'd buy it in the States), I'm just pointing out that it's not a $15k difference in price - even if you don't compare the same trims (which IMO, doesn't make any sense), it comes out to under $10k cheaper in the US.

[niceguy1234]

I will not borther the importing if the saving is less than $5000. Consider the resale value of your US imported car will be lower, and all kind of procedure you need to follow, saving of less than $5000 just does not worth the effort and time.

[niceguy1234]

Hi everyone,

First post ... long time viewer.. just wanted to thanks to all the contributors in this thread (from the import process to the best Exchange rates http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/images/smilies/razz.gif
:razz: .. and most of all to Monsieurmaggot for starting it all !

I am on the verge of buying a '08 Volvo and since I did not read a lot of stories about volvo's (lots of subys) ... if anyone has imported a volvo please respond or pm me and let me know how it went.
From what Volvo is telling me it's pretty straight forward .. although a little inconvenient and lengthy.
The process as I know it for Volvo's is :

Have to actually wire/send full amount of the vehicle to complete the sale and get the title
Once you have the Title/Copy of it... then send a copy of title (both sides) to Volvo Canada. They will snail mail you the letter of admissibility.
Once you have the recall letter, which Volvo USA will give you (Free of charge)
The admissibility letter from Volvo Canada (And it's Free of charge!!)
Bill of sale .. and vehicle ..Then you can import.
Once in Canada you have to bring it to the Volvo dealer for an import/safety inspection I called the local Volvo dealer and they told me ($<100) plus any modifications .. based on RIV modification requirements.. which Volvo meets all.
Time to import a volvo...possibly a month ... savings ... priceless.
Thanks for any and all info.

Double check your US Volvo has KM reading on the ODO meter. My 98 Volvo S70 bought in Canada does no have Mile on the ODO, only KM. I know that MB in US does not have KM on ODO, and it will cost $6000+ to change the whole panel. I think it may be the same for Volvo and those high end European cars. So better to find out first.

[NerV]

I will not borther the importing if the saving is less than $5000. Consider the resale value of your US imported car will be lower, and all kind of procedure you need to follow, saving of less than $5000 just does not worth the effort and time.

This happens only if you buy a new car. What if you consider a used one from a private advertising?

[michelb]

Double check your US Volvo has KM reading on the ODO meter. My 98 Volvo S70 bought in Canada does no have Mile on the ODO, only KM. I know that MB in US does not have KM on ODO, and it will cost $6000+ to change the whole panel. I think it may be the same for Volvo and those high end European cars. So better to find out first.

That's good point actually. Our Canadian Volvo is also KM only but the US ones I've looked at have both. That being said, I think the new models might be going US only (I think the preview pics of the new XC90 might have been US only). Technically, according to RIV, you only need stickers on the speedo (adding km/h markers) to make it ok but because Volvo is like MB and BMW, they can require you to change the console and if you don't do it, they won't give you the admissibilty letter and there's nothing you can do about it.

[st7860]

I will not borther the importing if the saving is less than $5000. Consider the resale value of your US imported car will be lower, and all kind of procedure you need to follow, saving of less than $5000 just does not worth the effort and time.

$5000 is a lot of money just for a little work and a few days of time

[tleblanc]

That's good point actually. Our Canadian Volvo is also KM only but the US ones I've looked at have both. That being said, I think the new models might be going US only (I think the preview pics of the new XC90 might have been US only). Technically, according to RIV, you only need stickers on the speedo (adding km/h markers) to make it ok but because Volvo is like MB and BMW, they can require you to change the console and if you don't do it, they won't give you the admissibilty letter and there's nothing you can do about it.

When I called Vovlo Canada, they verbally told me that the Volvo I wanted ('08 S60) was importable, any changes that would be required were so the vehicle would meet all of RIV's passenger vehicle requirements:

The vehicle must bear a manufacturer's valid U.S. statement of compliance label at the time of importation. (OK)
Valid alpha-numeric 17-digit VIN (OK)
Metric speedometer and odometer labels (provided by inspection centre) (Not sure ?)
Daytime running lights (OK)
Child restraint tether anchorage hardware kit
Child restraint tether anchorage point locations (OK)
(refer to Admissibility List)
8 km/hour bumpers (refer to Admissibility List) (OK)
French supplementary restraint system label for airbags that require periodic maintenance (Probably won't have this one !)

I just confirmed with the dealer that the cluster is dual mph/kmph ...The Canadian model is KM only.. go figure....

I even spoke to a local vovlo service center.. they told me it would be no problem, just the inspection charges only. But hey ... looks what BMW does.

This still does not guarantee that Volvo will not "require" some changes.

Also off the Volvo Canada site

* 2000 to 2004 S40/V40/V50 models require modifications to meet CMVSS standards.

* Speedometer and Odometer calibration from miles to kilometers is not currently available on the 2007 S80 and 2008 C30/C70/S40/V50/V70/XC70/S80 models. (s60 not listed)

[scouzi]

Come on ... do a bit of research before you respond.

As mentioned, BBS is a premium brand of rims. If you go to their website (http://www.bbs-usa.com/) the comparable rims that you get with the package have an MSRP of over $700 each + tires (probably a good $200 each for decent quality 18" (could easily be $300-$400 each in Canada but I don't know what they actually come with)). (I would actually argue that getting a good aftermarket set of 18s will probably cost you easily $2k and you won't get the BBS name) (the package also adds foglights so you need to factor that in too)

As far as the GPS, if you don't see the difference between a factory integrated system with 7" LCD (also acts as your radio, trip computer, plays DVDs, provides Bluetooth integration (that's your cell phone) and provides GUI integration with portable music (e.g. iPod)) and a $200 after-market portable GPS then your not a very informed shopper. Also the navigation is a $1800 option, not $3500 (the rims/tires are $2000) and most decent after-market GPS will cost you $400-$600 not $200 so you should really be comparing a $1800 Navi (that is more than a GPS) to a $500 after-market GPS - if you want to get even pickier, you should actually be comparing the $1800 Nav to a $1000+ in-dash after-market GPS and stereo. I'm not saying that I'm a huge fan of the factory nav systems or believe that they are worth the price but they do provide some features and value that you can't get with after-market (if nothing else, the portable ones kind of look like crap IMO (and we have a $200 in our car).

In any case, the first thing I mentioned is that I'm not trying to justify Subaru Canada's price (if I was buying an STi, I'd buy it in the States), I'm just pointing out that it's not a $15k difference in price - even if you don't compare the same trims (which IMO, doesn't make any sense), it comes out to under $10k cheaper in the US.


If you buy a something like this ($289) and plug it in your Aux input - you have much of what you just mentioned. The Tribeca's integrated NAV is too far to reach and not practical. At least in the US you have the option of not buying it. It's not forced down your throat.

I have a C550 and play my MP3 from an SD card in the Unit. When my cell phone rings or the GPS talks, the music is automatically muted.

http://www.costco.ca/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=10304260&search=nuvi&Mo=7&cm_re=1_en-_-Top_Left_Nav-_-Top_search&lang=en-CA&Nr=P_CatalogName:BCCA&Sp=S&N=0&whse=BCCA&Dx=mode+matchallpartial&Ntk=Text_Search&Dr=P_CatalogName:BCCA&Ne=4000000&D=nuvi&Ntt=nuvi&No=1&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Nty=1&topnav=&s=1

[HSK]

Subaru Forester price has been dropped, costs $19 833 CAD in todays currency.

Link: Subaru slashes price of 2009 Forester (http://japancarblog.com/2008/02/subaru-slashes-price-of-2009-forester-to-19995/)

I'm seriously considering getting one - even after duties and taxes. Flaming Homer - what was the duty rate on your forester?

[shaolinmonk]

Subaru Forester price has been dropped, costs $19 833 CAD in todays currency.

Link: Subaru slashes price of 2009 Forester (http://japancarblog.com/2008/02/subaru-slashes-price-of-2009-forester-to-19995/)

I'm seriously considering getting one - even after duties and taxes. Flaming Homer - what was the duty rate on your forester?

i really want one too even though i'm not a fan of the newer look...

duty is 6.1%... the 09 is still built in japan right?

[HSK]

i really want one too even though i'm not a fan of the newer look...

I agree, it just cant decide if it's a station wagon or SUV. But to be honest, if we can quote around for less than 19 833, I couldnt care how it looks. It'll only be a matter of time before it grows on me anyway. I'm REALLY looking to get a Forester now - at less than 20k the it's so darn tempting.


duty is 6.1%... the 09 is still built in japan right?
Yeah it's built in Japan. 6% aint bad for duty - the 6% price drop takes care of that.

[NerV]

Come on ... do a bit of research before you respond.

As mentioned, BBS is a premium brand of rims. If you go to their website (http://www.bbs-usa.com/) the comparable rims that you get with the package have an MSRP of over $700 each + tires (probably a good $200 each for decent quality 18" (could easily be $300-$400 each in Canada but I don't know what they actually come with)). (I would actually argue that getting a good aftermarket set of 18s will probably cost you easily $2k and you won't get the BBS name) (the package also adds foglights so you need to factor that in too)

As far as the GPS, if you don't see the difference between a factory integrated system with 7" LCD (also acts as your radio, trip computer, plays DVDs, provides Bluetooth integration (that's your cell phone) and provides GUI integration with portable music (e.g. iPod)) and a $200 after-market portable GPS then your not a very informed shopper. Also the navigation is a $1800 option, not $3500 (the rims/tires are $2000) and most decent after-market GPS will cost you $400-$600 not $200 so you should really be comparing a $1800 Navi (that is more than a GPS) to a $500 after-market GPS - if you want to get even pickier, you should actually be comparing the $1800 Nav to a $1000+ in-dash after-market GPS and stereo. I'm not saying that I'm a huge fan of the factory nav systems or believe that they are worth the price but they do provide some features and value that you can't get with after-market (if nothing else, the portable ones kind of look like crap IMO (and we have a $200 in our car).

In any case, the first thing I mentioned is that I'm not trying to justify Subaru Canada's price (if I was buying an STi, I'd buy it in the States), I'm just pointing out that it's not a $15k difference in price - even if you don't compare the same trims (which IMO, doesn't make any sense), it comes out to under $10k cheaper in the US.

I will agree with you regarding the BBS wheels. I'm gonna admit that I didn't too much research on this, cuz it's still a dream for me to buy this car. lol :D Regarding the navigation system I think it's a matter of prefernce. I consider STI to be a sports car and I value it for it's performance, speed, accleration, agility. Personally for me navigation systems is a luxury aspect of a car. However, if it's really useful and convinient, that you are absolutely right that it should be included in the car. However, I noticed that the BBS and Navigation package for US car includes 100-watt 10-speaker audio system with single-disc in-dash CD player and MultEQ® audio enhancement. The canadian version has only 4 speakers and 2 tweeters (6 speakers in total). I concluded the US car i packed much better with this option. Correct me please, if I'm wrong.

[shaolinmonk]

eventhough the base models aren't entirely the same...

the pricing works out as follows

$27K cad for the US model

$34K Cad for the Cad model

Savings of around $6-7K... savings are still there.. but man my dad's outback that i bought in Nov last year we saved almost $12K

[HP_John]

Aw dude that's ice cold-- I drive a Civic. (2006 SI)

Has anyone noticed G37 pricing seems a bit out of whack in the USA? MRSP is around $35k but on all the dealer websites they seem to be charging $40k-42k. That seems like an awful lot of markup or overpriced options to me..

G37 base in the US doesn't come w/ premium pkg. The Cdn G37 comes with about $4 K more std equipment. That's partly why the MSRP gap is so big, plus they now give a $4500 rebate so the overall gap is much less.

[Paladium]

These are the quotes I received for the Subaru Legacy I am thinking of buying

2008 (8AF) Subaru Legacy 2.5i Ltd. 4 - speed automatic sedan w/ VDC

Dealer invoice including destination/delivery $23,535, rocker panel trim $113.00, splash guard set $99.00, all weather rubber mats $33.00, center armrest extension $106.00, remote engine start $288.00, auto. dimming mirror/compass, $119.00, severe weather companion kit. $40.00 (over the counter purchase only). subwoofer/amp. $186.00 ( with standard SRS sound option, you may not need the subwoofer/amp option) = $24,519.00 - $369.00 + $19.00 60 day temp. tag fee = $24,169.00

2008 (8AK) Subaru Legacy 2.5 GT Ltd. 5 - speed automatic sedan w/ VDC

Dealer invoice including destination/delivery $28,452.00, rocker panel trim $113.00, splash guard set $99.00, all weather rubber mats $33.00, center armrest extension $106.00, remote engine start $288.00, auto. dimming mirror/compass, $119.00, severe weather companion kit. $40.00 (over the counter purchase only). subwoofer/amp. $186.00 ( with standard SRS sound option, you may not need the subwoofer/amp option) = $28,452.00 - $369.00 + $19.00 60 day temp. tag fee = $28,102.00.

The Canadian price tag is approximately 38,000 and 44,000.

I have never owned a Legacy so anyone have any feedback before i jump in? Should I wait or the 2009 models? I have to decide in the next week. Before the changes in Jan these vehicles would have been 3-4,000 cheaper.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Dean

[6RR]

These are the quotes I received for the Subaru Legacy I am thinking of buying

2008 (8AF) Subaru Legacy 2.5i Ltd. 4 - speed automatic sedan w/ VDC

Dealer invoice including destination/delivery $23,535, rocker panel trim $113.00, splash guard set $99.00, all weather rubber mats $33.00, center armrest extension $106.00, remote engine start $288.00, auto. dimming mirror/compass, $119.00, severe weather companion kit. $40.00 (over the counter purchase only). subwoofer/amp. $186.00 ( with standard SRS sound option, you may not need the subwoofer/amp option) = $24,519.00 - $369.00 + $19.00 60 day temp. tag fee = $24,169.00

2008 (8AK) Subaru Legacy 2.5 GT Ltd. 5 - speed automatic sedan w/ VDC

Dealer invoice including destination/delivery $28,452.00, rocker panel trim $113.00, splash guard set $99.00, all weather rubber mats $33.00, center armrest extension $106.00, remote engine start $288.00, auto. dimming mirror/compass, $119.00, severe weather companion kit. $40.00 (over the counter purchase only). subwoofer/amp. $186.00 ( with standard SRS sound option, you may not need the subwoofer/amp option) = $28,452.00 - $369.00 + $19.00 60 day temp. tag fee = $28,102.00.

The Canadian price tag is approximately 38,000 and 44,000.

I have never owned a Legacy so anyone have any feedback before i jump in? Should I wait or the 2009 models? I have to decide in the next week. Before the changes in Jan these vehicles would have been 3-4,000 cheaper.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Dean

I imported a 2008 Legacy for my mom, fantastic car. I would recommend it over a honda/toyota anyday.

[Monsieurmaggot]

As I mentioned before, BMW should be ashamed of their pricing policies.

Since most BMWs in Canada are leased, companies have no choice but to pay the inflated price (because they fell for the hype) then pass along the markup to their unsuspecting consumer.

Sadly these companies should stop that practice until BMW mends their ways or perhaps the leasing company should sue BMW and others who maintain these questionable policies and promote these possible illegal activities.

OH WAIT.... THEY ARE:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080228.wrautos28/BNStory/robNews/

[PrimeBane]

Too bad they didn't name GM as well... that $250 recall letter is highway robbery.

[ericky]

As I mentioned before, BMW should be ashamed of their pricing policies.

Since most BMWs in Canada are leased, companies have no choice but to pay the inflated price (because they fell for the hype) then pass along the markup to their unsuspecting consumer.

Sadly these companies should stop that practice until BMW mends their ways or perhaps the leasing company should sue BMW and others who maintain these questionable policies and promote these possible illegal activities.

OH WAIT.... THEY ARE:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080228.wrautos28/BNStory/robNews/

Everyone should go to the website and click "recommend this article" and discuss it and email it so it becomes more prominent on the site. The word needs to get out.

[GougingCarCartelGroup]

As I mentioned before, BMW should be ashamed of their pricing policies.

Since most BMWs in Canada are leased, companies have no choice but to pay the inflated price (because they fell for the hype) then pass along the markup to their unsuspecting consumer.

Sadly these companies should stop that practice until BMW mends their ways or perhaps the leasing company should sue BMW and others who maintain these questionable policies and promote these possible illegal activities.

OH WAIT.... THEY ARE:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080228.wrautos28/BNStory/robNews/

God i hope BMW and Mercedes along with Audi get shafted big time, They are gouging us in some cases at least 50% like a fully loaded S550 Mercedes, 100K in the states 150K here...
It is insane, BMW will start selling their 1series soon, and it will be laughable to see that 25-30% price difference between the states and canada...

their insane excuses are pathetic, just like the Peak Oil scam that is going on

[p110232]

As I mentioned before, BMW should be ashamed of their pricing policies.

Since most BMWs in Canada are leased, companies have no choice but to pay the inflated price (because they fell for the hype) then pass along the markup to their unsuspecting consumer.

Sadly these companies should stop that practice until BMW mends their ways or perhaps the leasing company should sue BMW and others who maintain these questionable policies and promote these possible illegal activities.

OH WAIT.... THEY ARE:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080228.wrautos28/BNStory/robNews/

Thanks for the heads-up MM.

Big business won't budge unless they have to. This could be the turning point. Whatever profit BMW, MB, Volvo and others are getting out of these outrageous practices will immediately go out the window once they start paying lawyers to defend them.

They stand to loose more and more customers each day because of this practice. On the other hand, they stand loose customer sales as well to US-models imported here if they loosen their grip.

From a business standpoint, it would be better for them not to fight lawsuit, save the money for legal costs, avoid the contingency of paying billions in damages. Use the money saved to subsidize lost residual values on the current leases.

Since it is always argued by Lindsay Duffield that Canadian BMW sales is smaller than BMW sales for the state of Florida alone, then that would also mean that BMW won't loose much money from decrease in residual values, isn't it? Simple economics Mr. Lindsay: if BMW CA lowers the prices sales volume go up! (and consequently services & parts revenue)

They should re-centralize their operations, i.e. one OEM manufacturer for North America (e.g. BMW NA will supply vehicles for both US & Canada) This will allow dealers in Canada to make money. Since vehicle invoice cost will be lower, Canadian dealers can now match US MSRP. Whoever manufacturer does this first can eat a sizeable market share from their competitors. Let the competition begin!

I FULLY SUPPORT THIS CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT

[lenny88]

this is a great resource. apologies if this question has been asked before. i would like to purchase an audi a3. my girlfriend is attending school in michigan. could i have her purchase the vehicle in her name and plate it in michigan but insure it in ontario. would this get around duty and taxes?

thanks so much.

[Lost Horizon]

I thought the US lemon law (which is applicable to all US cars, not just Subaru) only covered US buyers. Dealers whether they be US or Canadian are in the business to sell cars not be your friend.
However US dealers certainly do come across as not trying to wring every last cent they can from a sale.

When the car was delivered to me in Bellingham, the dealer explicitly told me because it was purchased in WA, it fell under the WA Lemon Law even if I took it to Canada. They included the printed stuff on it in the delivery folder. There is no caveat that says "not valid if you take the car to Canada or xxx.."

Beyond that, I simply took his explaination as being true.. A lawyer in the RFD mix here may be able to confirm or deny the validity of it..

[Lost Horizon]

Come on ... <cut> As far as the GPS, if you don't see the difference between a factory integrated system with 7" LCD (also acts as your radio, trip computer, plays DVDs, provides Bluetooth integration (that's your cell phone) and provides GUI integration with portable music (e.g. iPod)) and a $200 after-market portable GPS then your not a very informed shopper. Also the navigation is a $1800 option, not $3500 (the rims/tires are $2000) and most decent after-market GPS will cost you $400-$600 not $200 so you should really be comparing a $1800 Navi (that is more than a GPS) to a $500 after-market GPS - if you want to get even pickier, you should actually be comparing the $1800 Nav to a $1000+ in-dash after-market GPS and stereo. I'm not saying that I'm a huge fan of the factory nav systems or believe that they are worth the price but they do provide some features and value that you can't get with after-market (if nothing else, the portable ones kind of look like crap IMO (and we have a $200 in our car)..

In addition to the above, as someone who uses an integrated GPS daily in the lower mainland, (I have both.. the Subaru has a Garmin Nuvi, and my BMW has it built in) the built in continues to function, using dead reckoning off the wheels and compass when it loses the satellite signal, which can happen fairly often downtown Vancouver among the tall buildings or going thru the tunnels or underpasses when you need the directions most at 80kph+. The garmin, good as it is, misses complicated turn offs when it struggles to get a new lock on the satellites as you clip along at highway speeds. They are not the same at all.

[Monsieurmaggot]

this is a great resource. apologies if this question has been asked before. i would like to purchase an audi a3. my girlfriend is attending school in michigan. could i have her purchase the vehicle in her name and plate it in michigan but insure it in ontario. would this get around duty and taxes?

thanks so much.

Insurance: No. You will need to insure your vehicle in the jurisdiction where it is plated.

If your gf buys the car in Michigan, you will pay state tax, then GST and PST (if you live in most provinces) when the car is imported and registered in Canada.

Duty is also applicable on any non-NAFTA vehicle imported into Canada regardless of whether it's new or used.

You can't circumvent the taxes....

[GougingCarCartelGroup]

This is today's reply from BMW regarding their Gouging :) enjoy everyone, and spread the word, boycott these bastards.


Dear Mr. XXXX,

Thank you for contacting BMW Canada. We welcome correspondence from our customers and we appreciate the opportunity to review your situation and provide our response.

Canadian prices, which at present, due to a rapidly strengthening Canadian dollar, look higher than the U.S., are still considerably lower than most other markets around the world. We base Canadian prices on the market conditions in Canada.

We are very cognizant of the U.S. pricing; however, we have to price for the long term in Canada. If we were to reduce prices on all new BMWs, it would reduce the value of every existing BMW in the country. We have a responsibility to protect our existing owners’ investment and BMW resale values in Canada. Raising and lowering prices based on short term exchange rate swings would cause great uncertainty and instability in the market. Today, BMW Group Canada continues to focus on such a sustainable strategy. We aim to ensure that all of our vehicles are equipped and priced to compete directly with models in the Canadian market. Through this long-term focus, we are also able to maintain our exceptionally high residual values and ensure that our customers are protected by the best possible lease rates and resale values for their current and future pre-owned automobiles.

We truly hope this provides clarification to your inquiry if you have any further questions, please don’t hesitate to contact us at 1-800-567-2691. Sincerely, Jackie MartinCustomer Interaction Specialist

[raskal]

that's just hilarious!

Do they not look at other products in the world? The camera I bought last year can now be bought for 50% of what I paid.... so what... that's the way it is.

[runningdog]

In addition to the above, as someone who uses an integrated GPS daily in the lower mainland, (I have both.. the Subaru has a Garmin Nuvi, and my BMW has it built in) the built in continues to function, using dead reckoning off the wheels and compass when it loses the satellite signal, which can happen fairly often downtown Vancouver among the tall buildings or going thru the tunnels or underpasses when you need the directions most at 80kph+. The garmin, good as it is, misses complicated turn offs when it struggles to get a new lock on the satellites as you clip along at highway speeds. They are not the same at all.

Wow, very interesting. Thanks for this info. Have heard this debate before but never seen dead reckoning mentioned...cool!

[Lost Horizon]

Wow, very interesting. Thanks for this info. Have heard this debate before but never seen dead reckoning mentioned...cool!

I should provide the caveat that I don't actually know for sure about the built-in for the Subaru, but with the Mirror compass that ours has, it makes sense that it would be similar to bimmer in that the nav can get instant direction/velocity vectors to integrate until it gets an absolute update off the satellites (as in math integration) as the BMW does.

[mikeydavison]

This is today's reply from BMW regarding their Gouging :) enjoy everyone, and spread the word, boycott these bastards.


Dear Mr. XXXX,

Thank you for contacting BMW Canada. We welcome correspondence from our customers and we appreciate the opportunity to review your situation and provide our response.

Canadian prices, which at present, due to a rapidly strengthening Canadian dollar, look higher than the U.S., are still considerably lower than most other markets around the world. We base Canadian prices on the market conditions in Canada.

We are very cognizant of the U.S. pricing; however, we have to price for the long term in Canada. If we were to reduce prices on all new BMWs, it would reduce the value of every existing BMW in the country. We have a responsibility to protect our existing owners’ investment and BMW resale values in Canada. Raising and lowering prices based on short term exchange rate swings would cause great uncertainty and instability in the market. Today, BMW Group Canada continues to focus on such a sustainable strategy. We aim to ensure that all of our vehicles are equipped and priced to compete directly with models in the Canadian market. Through this long-term focus, we are also able to maintain our exceptionally high residual values and ensure that our customers are protected by the best possible lease rates and resale values for their current and future pre-owned automobiles.

We truly hope this provides clarification to your inquiry if you have any further questions, please don’t hesitate to contact us at 1-800-567-2691. Sincerely, Jackie MartinCustomer Interaction Specialist

They could've saved a few words and just said bend over and grab your ankles. In particular I enjoyed their statement that prices look higher than in the US. By look do they mean exceed by 20-30%?

They'd also have us believe that we should consider ourselves lucky that we're apparently getting raped less badly than customers outside of North America. Wow, here I'd been thinking we were being taken advantage of and it turns out that we're actually lucky to pay the prices we pay. Thanks for clarifying that BMW. Now I can sleep easy.

Thanks for sharing this. Too damn funny.

[angel_wing0]

anyone know which nissan store in the us will be willing to sell to canadians (and with a good price)? still debating whether to lease here or go buy in the US. Thank you!

[GougingCarCartelGroup]

They could've saved a few words and just said bend over and grab your ankles. In particular I enjoyed their statement that prices look higher than in the US. By look do they mean exceed by 20-30%?

They'd also have us believe that we should consider ourselves lucky that we're apparently getting raped less badly than customers outside of North America. Wow, here I'd been thinking we were being taken advantage of and it turns out that we're actually lucky to pay the prices we pay. Thanks for clarifying that BMW. Now I can sleep easy.

Thanks for sharing this. Too damn funny.


I replied to that email, hopefully they will reply tomorrow and i will post a follow up, i love how BMW has not changed/budged one bit since November of 2007, wow, i guess too many sheep still buying their inflated cars.

I asked them 5 times already to give me their talking points in witting with their presidents signature, they declined so far :)

[GougingCarCartelGroup]

that's just hilarious!

Do they not look at other products in the world? The camera I bought last year can now be bought for 50% of what I paid.... so what... that's the way it is.

BWM is moronic, they think someone purchasing their car is "Investing" in them... which is insane, buying a car is not an investment, year after year it is worth less, so who cares if they lower their stinking car prices a month after i purchase a BMW? when i am ready to trade it in i will still win since the new car will be priced lower than it is now, so i did not lose anything

[pimpf]

I have never owned a Legacy so anyone have any feedback before i jump in? Should I wait or the 2009 models? I have to decide in the next week. Before the changes in Jan these vehicles would have been 3-4,000 cheaper.

Dean

I believe 2009 Legacies will have a completely new body design. It maybe something to keep in mind if that is important to you.

[pimpf]

I imported a 2008 Legacy for my mom, fantastic car. I would recommend it over a honda/toyota anyday.

Or BMW's for that matter.

I drive a 2007 Legacy GT Limited Sedan. Great balance between luxury and performance at an excellent price (assuming you import from the US ;)

[HP_John]

anyone know which nissan store in the us will be willing to sell to canadians (and with a good price)? still debating whether to lease here or go buy in the US. Thank you!

Nissan has a weird policy where the car must've been registered for at least 6 months before you import it (for the warranty to be valid).

[nornet]

When the car was delivered to me in Bellingham, the dealer explicitly told me because it was purchased in WA, it fell under the WA Lemon Law even if I took it to Canada. They included the printed stuff on it in the delivery folder. There is no caveat that says "not valid if you take the car to Canada or xxx.."

Beyond that, I simply took his explaination as being true.. A lawyer in the RFD mix here may be able to confirm or deny the validity of it..
I hope we can get clarification on this as I have some transmission issues on my US 07 Outback. When I picked up the vehicle (in NY) the business manager and I went thru all the paperwork and his comments on the lemon law booklet were something like this is for US residents or it doesn't apply to you because you're Canadian. As an aside, when I bought my first car I told my neighbor I didn't care if it came with a warranty or not. I was willing to pay out of pocket for repairs as the price differential was too great.
Several years ago I bought a plasma TV in the US again because of the price differential. It did not come with a warranty.

[Tominizer]

The BMW statement is total horse-****. Trade-in values suck just as hard as any other manufacturer. For example, trade-in value of a BMW X5 3.0i with 100K km is $14K, down from $70 when new. Yeeeeeeeah, that's what I call holding a valuable investment. F-you BMW. What, is a Canadian BMW investment worth MORE then a American BMW investment for the exact same product !?!?!?? Investment......... you have to be f-ing kidding me right.

[Trexim]

I hope we can get clarification on this as I have some transmission issues on my US 07 Outback. When I picked up the vehicle (in NY) the business manager and I went thru all the paperwork and his comments on the lemon law booklet were something like this is for US residents or it doesn't apply to you because you're Canadian. As an aside, when I bought my first car I told my neighbor I didn't care if it came with a warranty or not. I was willing to pay out of pocket for repairs as the price differential was too great.
Several years ago I bought a plasma TV in the US again because of the price differential. It did not come with a warranty.

I am quite certain, each state has different lemon laws.

For NY Lemon Law see: http://www.oag.state.ny.us/consumer/cars/qa.html or google for more.

Here is what you may be interested in:
WHICH CARS ARE COVERED BY THE LEMON LAW?

The law covers both new and used cars, including demonstrators, which satisfy all of the following four conditions:

1. The car was covered by the manufacturer's new car warranty at the time of original delivery; and

2. The car was purchased, leased or transferred within the earlier of the first 18,000 miles or two years from the date of original delivery; and

3. The car either: (a) was purchased, leased or transferred in New York State, or (b) is presently registered in New York State; and

4. The car is primarily used for personal purposes.


Some examples of cars that may be covered by the new car lemon law are:
* a new or demonstrator car, purchased or leased from a New Jersey dealer and registered in New York;
* a new or demonstrator car, purchased or leased from a New York dealer and registered in New Jersey;
* a new or demonstrator car received as a gift from a friend and registered in New York State;
* a used car with less than 18,000 miles and less than 2-years old.

[michelb]

I hope we can get clarification on this as I have some transmission issues on my US 07 Outback. When I picked up the vehicle (in NY) the business manager and I went thru all the paperwork and his comments on the lemon law booklet were something like this is for US residents or it doesn't apply to you because you're Canadian. ...

I think it's probably safe to assume that this is the case - if you are covered by it great but I wouldn't be surprised if it's not applicable to non-residents (similarly, if there's a hurricane in Florida and your condo is destroyed, FEMA will give you some money BUT if you aren't a US resident, you don't qualify for it so you get nothing).

[GougingCarCartelGroup]

Well good old BMW replied today in the morning, and wow is it funny:


Dear Mr. XXXX,

Thank you for your follow up email. We were very sorry to read of your disappointment with our previous response.

Since pricing is developed as part of a long range plan for BMW Canada, it is difficult to lower our prices as a result of fluctuations in the exchange rate between the Canadian and US dollars.

The MSRP to MSRP comparison between the United States and Canada is inadequate, as it doesn't include taxes, duties, resale value, maintenance, and incentive programs.

We price our vehicles for the Canadian market, and relative to our competition, we are well positioned. Our prices are amongst the lowest in the world and we truly believe that the best value is found by purchasing your next BMW from your local Canadian BMW retailer who will give you the Ultimate Customer Experience.

We appreciate your comments and please be assured that your constructive feedback will be forwarded to the appropriate personnel in our organization

If you have any further concerns, please don’t hesitate to contact us at 1-800-567-2691.

Sincerely,
Jackie
Customer Interaction Specialist

[GougingCarCartelGroup]

Well good old BMW replied today in the morning, and wow is it funny:


Dear Mr. XXXX,

Thank you for your follow up email. We were very sorry to read of your disappointment with our previous response.

Since pricing is developed as part of a long range plan for BMW Canada, it is difficult to lower our prices as a result of fluctuations in the exchange rate between the Canadian and US dollars.

The MSRP to MSRP comparison between the United States and Canada is inadequate, as it doesn't include taxes, duties, resale value, maintenance, and incentive programs.

We price our vehicles for the Canadian market, and relative to our competition, we are well positioned. Our prices are amongst the lowest in the world and we truly believe that the best value is found by purchasing your next BMW from your local Canadian BMW retailer who will give you the Ultimate Customer Experience.

We appreciate your comments and please be assured that your constructive feedback will be forwarded to the appropriate personnel in our organization

If you have any further concerns, please don’t hesitate to contact us at 1-800-567-2691.

Sincerely,
Jackie
Customer Interaction Specialist


I am going to quote myself and respond:

Ok BMW has a long range plan to gouge the consumer? I guess i would agree with that.

fluctuations of 1 to 3 cents is one thing, adding 30 to 45 percent on top of a car is another thing, which equals gouging.

Taxes???? We pay taxes GST/PST on Canadian cars, or Imported cars, can't escape that, so why bother bringing it up? How stupid do they think consumers are? BWM's stinking inflated prices means more PST/GST that we have to pay in Canada. If anything the PST/GST advantage is still in purchasing a BMW in the USA.


I dont care what BMW's prices are in the world, i live 1 hour from Buffalo where i can get a BMW for 30% cheaper, that is all that matters.

Ultimate BMW Customer Care? Those *******s in their glass palaces make me sick, they are arrogant, and use such useless garbage in their talk as this guy from BMW used in the last 2 replies.

[ac328]

I am going to quote myself and respond:

Ok BMW has a long range plan to gouge the consumer? I guess i would agree with that.

fluctuations of 1 to 3 cents is one thing, adding 30 to 45 percent on top of a car is another thing, which equals gouging.

Taxes???? We pay taxes GST/PST on Canadian cars, or Imported cars, can't escape that, so why bother bringing it up? How stupid do they think consumers are? BWM's stinking inflated prices means more PST/GST that we have to pay in Canada. If anything the PST/GST advantage is still in purchasing a BMW in the USA.


I dont care what BMW's prices are in the world, i live 1 hour from Buffalo where i can get a BMW for 30% cheaper, that is all that matters.

Ultimate BMW Customer Care? Those *******s in their glass palaces make me sick, they are arrogant, and use such useless garbage in their talk as this guy from BMW used in the last 2 replies.

Instead of screaming and complaining why don't you vote with your wallet? When my BMW X3 lease was close to ending, I bought a Subaru from the US, thanks to this thread.

I have neither the time nor the inclination to complain to BMW. They will only lower their prices when sales start to be affected....since they apparently had an awesome year for sales in 2007 I don't think complaining will do much, do you?

[Lost Horizon]

I think it's probably safe to assume that this is the case - if you are covered by it great but I wouldn't be surprised if it's not applicable to non-residents (similarly, if there's a hurricane in Florida and your condo is destroyed, FEMA will give you some money BUT if you aren't a US resident, you don't qualify for it so you get nothing).

ahh.. FEMA is a US taxpayer funded gift.. i.e., by the taxpayer for the taxpayer....

Lemon Law is a different legal stick, aimed squarely at the manufacturer on behalf of the consumer .. Does it offer the offending manufacturer a disclaimer based on residency? I can't find it... all I can see is 'X marks the spot' where it was purchased.. nada on the residency profiling angle..

[eskimono]

They will only lower their prices when sales start to be affected....since they apparently had an awesome year for sales in 2007 I don't think complaining will do much, do you?Bingo,

Boycott BMW Canada

[michelb]

ahh.. FEMA is a US taxpayer funded gift.. i.e., by the taxpayer for the taxpayer....

Lemon Law is a different legal stick, aimed squarely at the manufacturer on behalf of the consumer .. Does it offer the offending manufacturer a disclaimer based on residency? I can't find it... all I can see is 'X marks the spot' where it was purchased..

That's a good point. Either way, I think it also depends on the specific state and wording of the law.

This site http://dealerselect.com/lemon/quickLemon.html gives a bit of info on each. Washington says All vehicles, including new motorcycles, leased or purchased and registered in the state, excluding buses, vehicles in fleets of 10 or more, living portions of motor homes, or trucks with GVW of 19,000 lbs. or more seems to imply that it's only valid for Washington residents while others like Wisconsin says All vehicles, registered (or transferred) in this state, including demonstrators, non-resident or foreign registered vehicles purchased, leased or transferred in this state, except mopeds, semi-trailers or trailers designed for use in combination with a truck or truck tractor. specificaly says that theirs would. New York simply says Passenger vehicles purchased, leased, transferred or registered in New York, excluding motorcycles and off-road vehicles. which seems to imply that anything bought in New York is covered

In any case, I don't think anyone is buying in the US specifically for the 'lemon-law' protection, if you need it and it's still valid - great, if you need it and it's not, you're no worse off than if you had bought in Canada.

[Matty]

I am going to quote myself and respond:

Ok BMW has a long range plan to gouge the consumer? I guess i would agree with that.

fluctuations of 1 to 3 cents is one thing, adding 30 to 45 percent on top of a car is another thing, which equals gouging.

Taxes???? We pay taxes GST/PST on Canadian cars, or Imported cars, can't escape that, so why bother bringing it up? How stupid do they think consumers are? BWM's stinking inflated prices means more PST/GST that we have to pay in Canada. If anything the PST/GST advantage is still in purchasing a BMW in the USA.


I dont care what BMW's prices are in the world, i live 1 hour from Buffalo where i can get a BMW for 30% cheaper, that is all that matters.

Ultimate BMW Customer Care? Those *******s in their glass palaces make me sick, they are arrogant, and use such useless garbage in their talk as this guy from BMW used in the last 2 replies.

Good work. Their response is drivel. You bring up some great points for your response, but I really really suggest you polish it up to fix grammatical & spelling errors. It's important.

[nerdonsite]

Anyone know of the closest Toyota dealership to Toronto that will sell to Canadians? My father is looking to import a 2008 camry LE from the states. ANy help is appreciated.

[agepag]

YOu know I was thinking, I don't care if BMW, Toyota, etc. in Canada want to sell there cars for double then what they cost in the US, its there option. My problem is with the US companies not being able to sell to Canadians. I work hard for my money and if I want to fly to texas and buy a 08 BMW x5 I should be able to, or if I want to drive to Detroit and pick up a new Ski-doo why can't I. This is the major problem, Canadain Manufactures stoping us from shopping cross boarder. I wish the US would just lut us buy there products and honour the warranty, even if I would have to bring the car back to the US....

[coolcoolfi]

Just drove my Toyota Corolla LE back from NC. Cost less than $21,000 in total. No hassel met during the CT insspection and registration in province. Thanks all, especially Vim for dealer information!

[tomme35]

Just drove my Toyota Corolla LE back from NC. Cost less than $21,000 in total. No hassel met during the CT insspection and registration in province. Thanks all, especially Vim for dealer information!

Congrats... is it the new design 2009 Corolla? The reason is the 09 Corolla not on the RIV list yet.

[vim]

Just drove my Toyota Corolla LE back from NC. Cost less than $21,000 in total. No hassel met during the CT insspection and registration in province. Thanks all, especially Vim for dealer information!

Congrats! Very good news, that means this Toyota dealer still sells to Canadians.

[mole11]

Well thanks to this thread, I have completed the process of purchasing and plating my brand new 2008 Acura MDX (with tech and entertainment package).

My story. After following this thread since last fall, I decided that I was going to take the plunge. I currently have a BMW 525 on lease, and was intending to pull the trigger on a new BMW X5. Well we all know what BMW is doing, so they were quickly flushed down the toilet. I then turned to researching the Acura MDX (which probably is a better vehicle then the X5).

I contacted a dealer in NY state and met him mid Feb. to do the deal. I used a friends Florida address to purchase the vehicle. I wasn't asked to provide US drivers license, insurance, etc. Smooth. Paid deposit on VISA and then picked up the car this week, paying the balance with a US bank draft (no wiring of money required)

When picking up the vehicle this week, salesperson provided me with the recall letter and the monroney label (the label on the window of new cars which shows the price and all the features, more importantly the presence of the anti-theft immobilizer).

I was off to US Customs in Lewiston, NY. There I produced the original COO, which they matched with their copy that was faxed from the dealer. Mine was stamped and I was out of there in 1 minute.

Then through Cdn. Customs, where I stopped to fill out Form 1 and paid GST and air tax, with VISA. I was there for about 5 minutes. One note, no one actually came out and looked at the vehicle at both borders.

On to RIV office in Etocbicoke I go. There about 20 minutes ( I was 4th in line), provided COO and Form 1. I paid the $204 (includes tax) RIV fee, and received Form 2. Interestingly they did not ask for the recall clearance letter.

Went to CT for Federal inspection the next day. I was asked if there were DRL, which I confirmed, but they didn't actually check them. I was only asked for the confirmation of the immobilizer, which then I provided the monroney label. Also paid $89 + tax for Ontario safety inspection.

Finally off to MTO to get the car plated and pay PST. Pricing: $44,600 (MSRP $46,748) + all taxes, fees, safety check= $50,742
Canada $59,055 + 2230 (entertainment package), taxes and fees = $69,465 SAVINGS: $18,723 (sweet)

What did I learn. Although the process is simple after doing proper research, it really is a scam. The RIV is a joke. The fact that no border agency even looked at the car when it went through. All the fuss about a recall letter that wasn't even asked for and CT not even properly checking for the DRL.

Finally, I would like to thank everyone that has contributed to this form, especially Monsieurmaggot and his website carburner.com. Other helpful sites were: Ucanimport.com, carswithoutborders.com, importcar2canada.com, edmunds.com (for pricing). Good luck to all in your search for your vehicle. By the way, BMW you can go f--- yourself and it will be me that has the smile when I return my BMW at the end of my lease. Cheers

[NerV]

Good job ^^^^^. I was wondering why did you choose Acura? As far as I know Honda/Acura US warranty is not transferable to Canada.

[mole11]

Good job ^^^^^. I was wondering why did you choose Acura? As far as I know Honda/Acura US warranty is not transferable to Canada.

Number 1, I decided on the Acura because of overall ratings and relability. Number 2, the price savings. The warranty is still valid in the US and I'm in Toronto, so if anything major happens its not that far. I'm also hoping that maybe there will be a legal loophole or lawsuit that will address manufacturers who are voiding warranties for cross border purchases.

[wackojacko]

Nice job Mole11,

Only thing was you got taken by CT for the $89. Not required for new vehicles in Ontario, Oh well. $18K is enough savings.

[angel_wing0]

Congrats! Very good news, that means this Toyota dealer still sells to Canadians.

which toyota dealer? mind pm'ing it? thanks :)

[angel_wing0]

Nissan has a weird policy where the car must've been registered for at least 6 months before you import it (for the warranty to be valid).

yip i have heard that too, but is that really true?

[michelb]

Number 1, I decided on the Acura because of overall ratings and relability. Number 2, the price savings. The warranty is still valid in the US and I'm in Toronto, so if anything major happens its not that far. I'm also hoping that maybe there will be a legal loophole or lawsuit that will address manufacturers who are voiding warranties for cross border purchases.

Be careful, according to the warranty manual available online at Honda.com, if your Honda is registered outside the US or possessions, your warranty becomes void.

As far as legal loophole or lawsuit, great if you can get it but that is probably very unlikely (it's very hard to force a manufacturer to warranty a product if it's used outside it's market).

--- Update

From the 2007 Acura TSX manual (page 8)

The warranties in this booklet do not
cover: ...
Any vehicle while it is registered
or normally driven outside of the
United States, Puerto Rico, or the
U.S. Virgin Islands.

You might be able to get around it if you can 're-register' it in the US but you'll probably need US residency for that.

[mole11]

Nice job Mole11,

Only thing was you got taken by CT for the $89. Not required for new vehicles in Ontario, Oh well. $18K is enough savings.

I had the same query and the provincial licensing center said I needed it. Nonetheless, right i saved 18k

[mole11]

Be careful, according to the warranty manual available online at Honda.com, if your Honda is registered outside the US or possessions, your warranty becomes void.

As far as legal loophole or lawsuit, great if you can get it but that is probably very unlikely (it's very hard to force a manufacturer to warranty a product if it's used outside it's market).

--- Update

From the 2007 Acura TSX manual (page 8)

The warranties in this booklet do not
cover: ...
Any vehicle while it is registered
or normally driven outside of the
United States, Puerto Rico, or the
U.S. Virgin Islands.

You might be able to get around it if you can 're-register' it in the US but you'll probably need US residency for that.

Salesperson said I could get warranty work there. I'm not really concerned. I saved $18k...I guess I will take my chances.

[michelb]

Salesperson said I could get warranty work there. I'm not really concerned. I saved $18k...I guess I will take my chances.

Exactly. From your savings, I really don't think it's an issue either way (to get $5k of repairs, you'd have to be pretty unlucky, to get $15-20k, I think you'd likely be covered by some lemon law anyway so the warranty is moot).

Out of curiosity, has anyone actually tried to get a US Honda/Acura that's registered in Canada warrantied in the US? It could very well be that as long as it's for every day stuff, it will still be warrantied (If you don't actually tell them that the vehicle is exported, they'd have to do some research to find out and the dealership is probably not going to tell them since they get paid to do warranty work ...)

I'd be curious to know if it's worked or failed for anyone.

[niceguy1234]

Number 1, I decided on the Acura because of overall ratings and relability. Number 2, the price savings. The warranty is still valid in the US and I'm in Toronto, so if anything major happens its not that far. I'm also hoping that maybe there will be a legal loophole or lawsuit that will address manufacturers who are voiding warranties for cross border purchases.


Honda / Acura will void your warranty if the car is not registered in US. Can't forsee anything will change their policy in the short-run. So may still buy Honda / Acura and pay for the repair in the future, or choose something else like Infiniti, Toyota, Lexus, Subaru ... that honor their warranty in Canada

[niceguy1234]

Just drove my Toyota Corolla LE back from NC. Cost less than $21,000 in total. No hassel met during the CT insspection and registration in province. Thanks all, especially Vim for dealer information!

I wonder how can you save $21000 on a Toyota Corolla LE. I went to Toyota dealer yesterday, and the 2009 Corolla S is only CAD$21000 MSRP. I think the LE is cheaper too.

[mangoman]

I read his post to mean that he paid $21000 after all taxes, duties, fees meaning he paid no more than $18,500 before taxes, etc.


I wonder how can you save $21000 on a Toyota Corolla LE. I went to Toyota dealer yesterday, and the 2009 Corolla S is only CAD$21000 MSRP. I think the LE is cheaper too.


Quote:
Originally Posted by coolcoolfi View Post
Just drove my Toyota Corolla LE back from NC. Cost less than $21,000 in total. No hassel met during the CT insspection and registration in province. Thanks all, especially Vim for dealer information!

[MMMM]

Originally Posted by michelb.
Out of curiosity, has anyone actually tried to get a US Honda/Acura that's registered in Canada warrantied in the US? It could very well be that as long as it's for every day stuff, it will still be warrantied (If you don't actually tell them that the vehicle is exported, they'd have to do some research to find out and the dealership is probably not going to tell them since they get paid to do warranty work ...)

I have had the differential flushed and a seal on a door replaced. Both were done at Honda Dealership in Canada under warrenty. I didn't say it was a US car when I took it in both times they never asked. I am sure for a major issue they might notice!
As to your actual question, no and the dealership I purchased my Honda at was clear I had to register the car in in the states. After two years nothing major has gone wrong which has been typical of my previous Honda's.

[djs5916]

Honda / Acura will void your warranty if the car is not registered in US. Can't forsee anything will change their policy in the short-run. So may still buy Honda / Acura and pay for the repair in the future, or choose something else like Infiniti, Toyota, Lexus, Subaru ... that honor their warranty in Canada

How will Honda/Acura know that the vehicle is not registered in the US? The only "registration" information they should have access to is the vehicle warranty registration info. Surely they don't have access to state or provincial DMV systems, or is it a requirement that a US dealership service department provide vehicle rego info when dealing with a warranty claim? I think more information is required here, as privacy laws might be breached if Honda/Acura have information obtained from DMV databases.

Maybe you have some better sources of information on this, niceguy1234.

[nornet]

ahh.. FEMA is a US taxpayer funded gift.. i.e., by the taxpayer for the taxpayer....

Lemon Law is a different legal stick, aimed squarely at the manufacturer on behalf of the consumer .. Does it offer the offending manufacturer a disclaimer based on residency? I can't find it... all I can see is 'X marks the spot' where it was purchased.. nada on the residency profiling angle..
I'm going to call SOA on this just to clarify the situation.

[niceguy1234]

I think it's probably safe to assume that this is the case - if you are covered by it great but I wouldn't be surprised if it's not applicable to non-residents (similarly, if there's a hurricane in Florida and your condo is destroyed, FEMA will give you some money BUT if you aren't a US resident, you don't qualify for it so you get nothing).

Where you live is probably very close to the US dealer. I am not sure if you will bring your car cross the boarder to have reg. service such as oil change for each 3-4 months. In order from Honda provide you b-to-b 3 year factory warranty, they require you to do proper maintainance on your car. If you do reg. service in CAD and bring it back to US for defective repair only, they may question you in that case. They can find out if they want. It is up to you that if you want to take a risk.

I would choose a car from US that honor their factory warranty, and have peace of mind in the next 3 years.

[coolcoolfi]

Congrats... is it the new design 2009 Corolla? The reason is the 09 Corolla not on the RIV list yet.

No, still 2008 version.

[myhilow]

Just drove my Toyota Corolla LE back from NC. Cost less than $21,000 in total. No hassel met during the CT insspection and registration in province. Thanks all, especially Vim for dealer information!

Congrats on your purchase...

What documents did they provide with the bill of sale? (M.C.O. or M.S.O.)Did you have to register it in the US and pay sales tax? Did you have to provide a US address? Did they know that you were a canadian?

I am in the process of trying to purchase a Toyota Sienna XLE.

Thanks for any info in advance
Myhilow

[jnmontario]

Anybody have any ideas how long the border holds the title/info. for before they send it back to the dealership? (I know it's 72 hrs before you can take it across). Reason I ask is I'm hoping to pick up the car next sat. and bring it on my march break to Virginia then bring it through the border on the Friday. Anybody see any foreseeable problems?

[PrimeBane]

90 days... at least that's what I was told.

You could call the border crossing to confirm.

[rAfChOw]

Well thanks to this thread, I have completed the process of purchasing and plating my brand new 2008 Acura MDX (with tech and entertainment package).

My story. After following this thread since last fall, I decided that I was going to take the plunge. I currently have a BMW 525 on lease, and was intending to pull the trigger on a new BMW X5. Well we all know what BMW is doing, so they were quickly flushed down the toilet. I then turned to researching the Acura MDX (which probably is a better vehicle then the X5).

I contacted a dealer in NY state and met him mid Feb. to do the deal. I used a friends Florida address to purchase the vehicle. I wasn't asked to provide US drivers license, insurance, etc. Smooth. Paid deposit on VISA and then picked up the car this week, paying the balance with a US bank draft (no wiring of money required)

When picking up the vehicle this week, salesperson provided me with the recall letter and the monroney label (the label on the window of new cars which shows the price and all the features, more importantly the presence of the anti-theft immobilizer).

I was off to US Customs in Lewiston, NY. There I produced the original COO, which they matched with their copy that was faxed from the dealer. Mine was stamped and I was out of there in 1 minute.

Then through Cdn. Customs, where I stopped to fill out Form 1 and paid GST and air tax, with VISA. I was there for about 5 minutes. One note, no one actually came out and looked at the vehicle at both borders.

On to RIV office in Etocbicoke I go. There about 20 minutes ( I was 4th in line), provided COO and Form 1. I paid the $204 (includes tax) RIV fee, and received Form 2. Interestingly they did not ask for the recall clearance letter.

Went to CT for Federal inspection the next day. I was asked if there were DRL, which I confirmed, but they didn't actually check them. I was only asked for the confirmation of the immobilizer, which then I provided the monroney label. Also paid $89 + tax for Ontario safety inspection.

Finally off to MTO to get the car plated and pay PST. Pricing: $44,600 (MSRP $46,748) + all taxes, fees, safety check= $50,742
Canada $59,055 + 2230 (entertainment package), taxes and fees = $69,465 SAVINGS: $18,723 (sweet)

What did I learn. Although the process is simple after doing proper research, it really is a scam. The RIV is a joke. The fact that no border agency even looked at the car when it went through. All the fuss about a recall letter that wasn't even asked for and CT not even properly checking for the DRL.

Finally, I would like to thank everyone that has contributed to this form, especially Monsieurmaggot and his website carburner.com. Other helpful sites were: Ucanimport.com, carswithoutborders.com, importcar2canada.com, edmunds.com (for pricing). Good luck to all in your search for your vehicle. By the way, BMW you can go f--- yourself and it will be me that has the smile when I return my BMW at the end of my lease. Cheers

You purchased the vehicle using a US address - wouldn't you need to pay tax to the dealer and again at the border?

Reason I ask is because I called a few Honda dealers in the NY City area (where I hope to buy a car in a few weeks) and they seem to be clueless. One told me I would need to register the car in the US and thus pay taxes to the dealer. The other says I need to get the car towed to the border (ie, can't drive it) in order for them to sell it to me!

[atorontoguy]

How will Honda/Acura know that the vehicle is not registered in the US? The only "registration" information they should have access to is the vehicle warranty registration info. Surely they don't have access to state or provincial DMV systems, or is it a requirement that a US dealership service department provide vehicle rego info when dealing with a warranty claim? I think more information is required here, as privacy laws might be breached if Honda/Acura have information obtained from DMV databases.

Maybe you have some better sources of information on this, niceguy1234.

If your vehicle is showing a Canadian license plate instead of a US State license state, isn't that obvious?

[michelb]

How will Honda/Acura know that the vehicle is not registered in the US? The only "registration" information they should have access to is the vehicle warranty registration info. Surely they don't have access to state or provincial DMV systems, or is it a requirement that a US dealership service department provide vehicle rego info when dealing with a warranty claim? I think more information is required here, as privacy laws might be breached if Honda/Acura have information obtained from DMV databases.

Maybe you have some better sources of information on this, niceguy1234.

If your vehicle is showing a Canadian license plate instead of a US State license state, isn't that obvious?

If they researched it, it wouldn't be hard for them to get the information. As stated, the CND plate is pretty obvious but also, just a CarFax account will provide them that information (or they could be getting their information from whoever CarFax gets their information). It's also possible that they get notified by Customs when vehicles are exported ...

As someone else mentioned though, if it's just for minor items, they might not even check.

[Beradon]

anyone know which nissan store in the us will be willing to sell to canadians (and with a good price)? still debating whether to lease here or go buy in the US. Thank you!

Nissan has a weird policy where the car must've been registered for at least 6 months before you import it (for the warranty to be valid).

Then we as consumers should follow a simpler buying policy. Don't buy Nissan here or in the US. The same goes for any manufacturers that discourage or prevent Canadians in buying from American dealerships. Either they provide pricing that is more in line with the US market or allow Canadians to purchase in the US without warranty restrictions.

[nornet]

That's a good point. Either way, I think it also depends on the specific state and wording of the law.

This site http://dealerselect.com/lemon/quickLemon.html gives a bit of info on each. Washington says All vehicles, including new motorcycles, leased or purchased and registered in the state, excluding buses, vehicles in fleets of 10 or more, living portions of motor homes, or trucks with GVW of 19,000 lbs. or more seems to imply that it's only valid for Washington residents while others like Wisconsin says All vehicles, registered (or transferred) in this state, including demonstrators, non-resident or foreign registered vehicles purchased, leased or transferred in this state, except mopeds, semi-trailers or trailers designed for use in combination with a truck or truck tractor. specificaly says that theirs would. New York simply says Passenger vehicles purchased, leased, transferred or registered in New York, excluding motorcycles and off-road vehicles. which seems to imply that anything bought in New York is covered

In any case, I don't think anyone is buying in the US specifically for the 'lemon-law' protection, if you need it and it's still valid - great, if you need it and it's not, you're no worse off than if you had bought in Canada.

IMHO opinion the Outback will qualify for the lemon law. The transmission has been looked at by 3 dealers and no one have been able to fix the hard shift problem which is not uncommon in the 4EAT transmission. It is severe in this one to the point where the thump that migrates thru the car during these shifts turns your stomach. My 08 Legacy with 4EAT shifts smooth as silk.

[Tender]

US dealer quoted me $695 for 2 years extended warranty (on top of the standard 3-year warranty) and $299 rust proofing for Subaru Tribeca. Is it worth going for?

[tareks]

Nissan has a weird policy where the car must've been registered for at least 6 months before you import it (for the warranty to be valid).

I phoned Nissan's HQ a couple of months ago and they told me that the car only has to be registered for a minimum of one day in the US for the warranty to be valid. It also can't be transferred to a new owner within 6 months. But basically as long as you're buying the car for yourself, you just have to register it in the US and then drive it up to Canada and import away.

[Rossland]

You purchased the vehicle using a US address - wouldn't you need to pay tax to the dealer and again at the border?

Reason I ask is because I called a few Honda dealers in the NY City area (where I hope to buy a car in a few weeks) and they seem to be clueless. One told me I would need to register the car in the US and thus pay taxes to the dealer. The other says I need to get the car towed to the border (ie, can't drive it) in order for them to sell it to me!

Ask the dealer to get a NY "trip permit" for the car. Cost $10, and it is good for 30 days. Then drive it home.

You don't have to pay NY sales tax if your Canadian address is on the bill of sale.

[PZRK]

You don't have to pay NY sales tax if your Canadian address is on the bill of sale.

Hi all,
Ross, could u please be more specific? Where did u get this info from? Today I called 2 VW dealers in NJ and one in NYS. They insisted that I should pay them sales taxes as well. And actually THEY register the car.
Thanks

[forbas]

Hello all,

Excuse me if this has been answered already, but my search didn't come up with an exact answer.

I recently found a car to buy thru a private sale in tennessee. The car was exactly what I wanted and the price was a big savings to up here, with shipping to the border and taxes factored in.

The owner owed money on it and his lender has a lien on it. The amount he was selling it for was a bit more than what he owed on the lien. We worked out a deal for me to send him the money so he could pay off the loan, at which point the bank would track down the title and send it to him.

Now the part I want to know is:
A) When the bank sends him the title, will he be able to just sign the back and designate me as the buyer? When the bank sends him the title, will he appear as the owner on it, or will the bank, will he have to go to a dmv to get the title transfered to his name before he can sell it?

B)Will I require a letter from his bank saying it is free and clear of liens and eligible for export or is this not necessary? Is their a database that the US border guards might check that would show the bank as having a lien even if it is paid off?

C) This is on a diffrent subject, but i will be getting the vehicle trailered to sweetgrass montana. If I just get a trip permit from my home province (good for all sask and alberta) will this be good enough for U.S customs to drive 50m across the parking lot to the border? Or do I need a montana trip permit?

TIA:razz:

[bulgurc]

Remind them it is a cash sale and they do not have to register and can give you an "In Transit". Apparently if it is financed they have to register it. Most car normally sold through financing maybe they do not realize that it is cash sale and no registration is needed. Also be adamant that it is a deal breaker.

[mole11]

Hi all,
Ross, could u please be more specific? Where did u get this info from? Today I called 2 VW dealers in NJ and one in NYS. They insisted that I should pay them sales taxes as well. And actually THEY register the car.
Thanks
Just picked up my Acura MDX last week. No sales tax. Car was never registered there. You need to deal with a dealer that knows the process. I used a Florida address for my purchase.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Hi all,
Ross, could u please be more specific? Where did u get this info from? Today I called 2 VW dealers in NJ and one in NYS. They insisted that I should pay them sales taxes as well. And actually THEY register the car.
Thanks

This is common knowledge.

As a Canadian resident you don't pay NY state sales tax on a vehicle purchase.

They don't register the car, the register the SALE. Maybe that's where the confusion lies. You will pay sales tax if the car is registered in NY State.

At the end of it all, you will get an official NY State "vehicle sales receipt". It shows the vehicle will be exported.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/220/516488622_e222c3bba2.jpg

[james-007]

Hello all,

Excuse me if this has been answered already, but my search didn't come up with an exact answer.

I recently found a car to buy thru a private sale in tennessee. The car was exactly what I wanted and the price was a big savings to up here, with shipping to the border and taxes factored in.

The owner owed money on it and his lender has a lien on it. The amount he was selling it for was a bit more than what he owed on the lien. We worked out a deal for me to send him the money so he could pay off the loan, at which point the bank would track down the title and send it to him.

Now the part I want to know is:
A) When the bank sends him the title, will he be able to just sign the back and designate me as the buyer? When the bank sends him the title, will he appear as the owner on it, or will the bank, will he have to go to a dmv to get the title transfered to his name before he can sell it?

B)Will I require a letter from his bank saying it is free and clear of liens and eligible for export or is this not necessary? Is their a database that the US border guards might check that would show the bank as having a lien even if it is paid off?

C) This is on a diffrent subject, but i will be getting the vehicle trailered to sweetgrass montana. If I just get a trip permit from my home province (good for all sask and alberta) will this be good enough for U.S customs to drive 50m across the parking lot to the border? Or do I need a montana trip permit?

TIA:razz:

To answer you question I recently purchased a truck through a private deal and it also had a lien on it. What I did was got the owner to give a notarized letter stating the year, model and VIN of the vehicle. Don't forget to include once the loan + extra amount is paid that the vehicle will belong to you. Not only that I transferred the loan amount straight to the load company, that way I knew the loan bwas paid for. The reason for this that once the lien is paid it'll take some time for the owner to get the title (in my case 2 weeks). Once he gets the title in Washington the owner all he had to do was endorse the title to me and that was it. No DMV involved because you are not registering the vehicle in that state.

[aZnRYcEbOi]

For the Ontario people, which insurance companies have you guys been getting the temporary insurance through?

I've called StateFarm, ING Insurance, TD Insurance, Allstate, and none of them are willing to do this.

Can someone please PM me the insurance agent who you dealt with?


I am purchasing within the next 2 weeks, so I need to set this up soon. Thanks.

[underpants]

For the Ontario people, which insurance companies have you guys been getting the temporary insurance through?

I've called StateFarm, ING Insurance, TD Insurance, Allstate, and none of them are willing to do this.

Can someone please PM me the insurance agent who you dealt with?


I am purchasing within the next 2 weeks, so I need to set this up soon. Thanks.

Just call up your insurance company and give them the VIN of your new vehicle.

That's what I did when I imported. They emailed me all my insurance info. I needed.

I hope this helps.

[jnmontario]

Just call up your insurance company and give them the VIN of your new vehicle.

That's what I did when I imported. They emailed me all my insurance info. I needed.

I hope this helps.

x2 my cooperators were more than willing once they had a VIN.

[bulgurc]

For the Ontario people, which insurance companies have you guys been getting the temporary insurance through?

I've called StateFarm, ING Insurance, TD Insurance, Allstate, and none of them are willing to do this.

Can someone please PM me the insurance agent who you dealt with?


I am purchasing within the next 2 weeks, so I need to set this up soon. Thanks.

I used Belair direct

[sandman101]

I used Pilot Insurance co

[SeeWhy2]

ING here

[joejack]

Just call up your insurance company and give them the VIN of your new vehicle.

That's what I did when I imported. They emailed me all my insurance info. I needed.

I hope this helps.

Same here, I called my 'johnson insurance' and told them I am buying a car and here is the vin # number. No need to mention 'american'.

[joejack]

Hello all,

Excuse me if this has been answered already, but my search didn't come up with an exact answer.

I recently found a car to buy thru a private sale in tennessee. The car was exactly what I wanted and the price was a big savings to up here, with shipping to the border and taxes factored in.

The owner owed money on it and his lender has a lien on it. The amount he was selling it for was a bit more than what he owed on the lien. We worked out a deal for me to send him the money so he could pay off the loan, at which point the bank would track down the title and send it to him.

Now the part I want to know is:
A) When the bank sends him the title, will he be able to just sign the back and designate me as the buyer? When the bank sends him the title, will he appear as the owner on it, or will the bank, will he have to go to a dmv to get the title transfered to his name before he can sell it?

B)Will I require a letter from his bank saying it is free and clear of liens and eligible for export or is this not necessary? Is their a database that the US border guards might check that would show the bank as having a lien even if it is paid off?

C) This is on a diffrent subject, but i will be getting the vehicle trailered to sweetgrass montana. If I just get a trip permit from my home province (good for all sask and alberta) will this be good enough for U.S customs to drive 50m across the parking lot to the border? Or do I need a montana trip permit?

TIA:razz:

A) When the bank sends title to the owner, it will be in the owner's name. All he has to do is sign your name on the back and some other simple details and send give it to you. Nither he nor you have to deal with DMV in this situation. I bought my car in Texas and I called DMV there to make sure that was the case. I would suggest you do the same for your state as well.

B) The fact that you have the title in your hands is enough of a proof that the car is free of any liens. No bank, financial institution, or anyone will hand you a title with your name without clearing the liens.

C) Sorry, I don't know the answer to C. In my case, I made a deal with the owner in Texas to leave the plates on the car and let me drive it to Toronto with a promise to ship the plates as soon as I reach Toronto.

Hope this helps.

[hotgo]

Hi gang,

After successfully purchasing a new vehicle for my wife http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6266316&postcount=11953
I'm looking to do the same for myself.

This time I'm coming through Michigan and I have some questions about the border crossings. Hoping that there is someone here that has recently come through Michigan (to Ontario) that can share some tips.

1. Which border crossing is recommended? Port Huron/Sarnia, or Detroit/Windsor?
2. Any tips on either border crossing? Faxes accepted? 72h limit applies? Hours open for Export/Import.

Thanks a lot!!!

[jingyu]

Where can I find this kind of booth? The Currencies International web site doesn't show all the booth location. Any other good site to buy US dollar? How about xe.com since I am worry about the online tranaction safety? Thanks
Try a foreign exchange booth such as Currencies International. Some of them charge a flat rate rather than a percentage. A friend exchanged some currency about a week ago before heading south & was charged $2.50 CAD flat. Much better than rip-off banks. Also, I think that the booths' exchange rates are somewhat better.

[bulgurc]

Once you setup your account in xe.com, not much is exposed when you do a trade. I have used them a few times. Also michelb has a special TD account, he reported excellent rates somewhere at this board

[chuckfredgoose]

As of this morning I noticed our dollar is worth more than US dollar.

My wife and I own an older Ford Winstar. I mentioned to her today, that I am going to look for another vehicle so we could have a total of 2 vehicles in our household. I was about to buy a used car, till I saw this thread.

Has anyone came across a less expensive vehicle, even less $$ than the 2008 Outback?

I would like something that is a mid size vehicle with Automatic Transmission and A/C. Warranty is important. I really do not need any other features. I do not really care about the make or model that much. I just require a safer, newer vehicle as I have a couple little kids.

Is it worth going over across the border (Sarnia/Port Huron) and purchase a lesser priced new vehicle?

Or is the Subaru Outback the best choice? <--- I hope not :(


Thanks

[chuckfredgoose]

Hi gang,

After successfully purchasing a new vehicle for my wife http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6266316&postcount=11953
I'm looking to do the same for myself.

This time I'm coming through Michigan and I have some questions about the border crossings. Hoping that there is someone here that has recently come through Michigan (to Ontario) that can share some tips.

1. Which border crossing is recommended? Port Huron/Sarnia, or Detroit/Windsor?
2. Any tips on either border crossing? Faxes accepted? 72h limit applies? Hours open for Export/Import.

Thanks a lot!!!

Is was wondering what border crossing you came back with your first car?

[hotgo]

Is was wondering what border crossing you came back with your first car?

I bought the Subaru from VB in Rochester and crossed at Queenston/Lewiston. Click the link to my summary posting, all the details should be in there. It's actually a lot easier than it seems. I'm about to go for #2, so it can't be that bad :)

[hi_me_again]

Is was wondering what border crossing you came back with your first car?

Hi gang,

After successfully purchasing a new vehicle for my wife http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6266316&postcount=11953
I'm looking to do the same for myself.

This time I'm coming through Michigan and I have some questions about the border crossings. Hoping that there is someone here that has recently come through Michigan (to Ontario) that can share some tips.

1. Which border crossing is recommended? Port Huron/Sarnia, or Detroit/Windsor?
2. Any tips on either border crossing? Faxes accepted? 72h limit applies? Hours open for Export/Import.

Thanks a lot!!!



I drove my new vehicle from Detroit this past Saturday. You need to fax the front page of Title to the U.S. customs at least 72 hours before crossing. The custom office is open 24 hours a day; 7 days a week. I suggest you keep a confirmation of your fax; or at least call them up to confirm they have received the faxed title.

The U.S. custom in Detroit is located underneath the Ambassador Bridge, and the only way to get in is through Front St W. There is a sign saying U.S. custom. It's a one-way road full of pot-holes. Just drive straight ahead and gate will open for you.

When I was there, they just looked at my title and stamped. They didn't ask for anything. They just asked if I know how to get back to Canada.

Once they stamped your original title, you need to drive through another gate which says "Back to Canada". I don't know how often they open the door. I think it's every half an hour. That's it. You will be on your way to Canada; from there, I guess you know what to do.

Advice: I'd suggest you go early to the U.S. custom at least before it gets dark. The U.S. custom at Detroit is under construction and it's a mess.

[hotgo]

I drove my new vehicle from Detroit this past Saturday. You need to fax the front page of Title to the U.S. customs at least 72 hours before crossing. The custom office is open 24 hours a day; 7 days a week. I suggest you keep a confirmation of your fax; or at least call them up to confirm they have received the faxed title.

The U.S. custom in Detroit is located underneath the Ambassador Bridge, and the only way to get in is through Front St W. There is a sign saying U.S. custom. It's a one-way road full of pot-holes. Just drive straight ahead and gate will open for you.

When I was there, they just looked at my title and stamped. They didn't ask for anything. They just asked if I know how to get back to Canada.

Once they stamped your original title, you need to drive through another gate which says "Back to Canada". I don't know how often they open the door. I think it's every half an hour. That's it. You will be on your way to Canada; from there, I guess you know what to do.

Advice: I'd suggest you go early to the U.S. custom at least before it gets dark. The U.S. custom at Detroit is under construction and it's a mess.

Thanks!

I'm hoping to cross @ Port Huron/Sarnia, but Detroit is my backup plan if enough people here steer me away from Port Huron/Sarnia.

Why did you choose Detroit?

[hi_me_again]

Thanks!

I'm hoping to cross @ Port Huron/Sarnia, but Detroit is my backup plan if enough people here steer me away from Port Huron/Sarnia.

Why did you choose Detroit?

It's simple; the Detroit Custom is open 24 hours a day plus they open on weekends. I don't want to take a weekday off just to go the border. Second, my dealer is located in Detroit. So I took the morning train to Windsor, the dealer picked me in from the station and off we go to the other side.

[coolcoolfi]

Is was wondering what border crossing you came back with your first car?

I went through Prescott, ON/Ogdensburg, NY. They work 8-4 M-F.

[chuckfredgoose]

Is it worth buying a Nissan Versa, Pontiac Wave, Chevy Aveo, or a Ford Focus in the US?

I am looking for an inexpensive vehicle.

What type of cars is everyone buying?

[Monsieurmaggot]

For the Ontario people, which insurance companies have you guys been getting the temporary insurance through?

I've called StateFarm, ING Insurance, TD Insurance, Allstate, and none of them are willing to do this.

Can someone please PM me the insurance agent who you dealt with?


I am purchasing within the next 2 weeks, so I need to set this up soon. Thanks.

You don't want to ask for temporary insurance. Almost NO one will insure you that way. You are buying a new car and your insurance will automatically carry over. It makes no difference where you buy the car.

I deal with State Farm and they are quite well versed with cross-border car sales. They NEVER asked to see the bill of sale and simply wanted the VIN number. I was automatically insured with full coverage as soon as I gave them the word.

They provided me an insurance binder (really a letter saying I'm insured) and simply wanted me to get a NY State transit permit AND an Ontario transit permit. They asked that I not drive the car anywhere (other than for licensing purposes) until it was properly registered in Canada.

[Xtrema]

Is it worth buying a Nissan Versa, Pontiac Wave, Chevy Aveo, or a Ford Focus in the US?

I am looking for an inexpensive vehicle.

What type of cars is everyone buying?

The cheaper the vehicle, the less the reward is.

IMO, it's not worth the effort, hassle, and warranty if the car is less than $30K cdn. Just buy local.

It only worth it for luxury used or new vehicle.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Is it worth buying a Nissan Versa, Pontiac Wave, Chevy Aveo, or a Ford Focus in the US?

I am looking for an inexpensive vehicle.

What type of cars is everyone buying?

You don't need to spend a fortune and shop around.

For two day's work, you can buy a US Subaru Legacy for under $20,000 Canadian and flip it here for $25-27,000. Subaru has no problems selling you a car. The warranty is transferable so there's no "hidden tricks" or "gimmicks" required to buy a car.

LOTS and LOTS of people doing that.... and not just with Subarus or other high priced cars.

Just read this thread and see the truckload of new cars Canadian dealers are buying. I get a lot of emails from people that stand behind truck drivers who are importing 10 cars at a time for dealers. I am told one truck had an assortment of Toyotas (mostly Camrys and Highlanders). You know the Canadian Toyota dealer will change out the dash and charge full price for the car.

Be sure to check the door jam for the import sticker. I wonder if Canadian dealers can have the factory send them "Canadian" versions to fool the public even more.

[ottawa_hull]

You don't need to spend a fortune and shop around.

For two day's work, you can buy a US Subaru Legacy for under $20,000 Canadian and flip it here for $25-27,000. Subaru has no problems selling you a car. The warranty is transferable so there's no "hidden tricks" or "gimmicks" required to buy a car.

LOTS and LOTS of people doing that.... and not just with Subarus or other high priced cars.

Just read this thread and see the truckload of new cars Canadian dealers are buying. I get a lot of emails from people that stand behind truck drivers who are importing 10 cars at a time for dealers. I am told one truck had an assortment of Toyotas (mostly Camrys and Highlanders). You know the Canadian Toyota dealer will change out the dash and charge full price for the car.

Be sure to check the door jam for the import sticker. I wonder if Canadian dealers can have the factory send them "Canadian" versions to fool the public even more.


Honestly, I don't believe these kind of posts help the cause of lowering prices and/or forcing manufacturers like MB/BMW in removing the artificial obstacles that are being put up. This forum is not here to enable astute individuals to make a quick buck on the back on some other unable citizen. Most of us do not import cars for a living and should not. I believe that most of private legitimate importers ( for private personal use) would have no problem signing a non resale agreement for 2 to 3 years. This would put a stop to this non-sense "Pseudo-illegal trade" business.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Just stating fact.

Dealers complain that they can't compete yet they buy cars by the truckload. Recently someone posted a dealer in Kanata's blatant sales.

That's the annoying part.

More power to any individual who wants to flip their new purchase.

I contemplated doing it myself.

[giasone]

The tunnel works fine, I already asked them, just called the Detroit Windsor Tunnel for confirmation.

Jason.

[CheapScotsman]

Is it worth buying a Nissan Versa, Pontiac Wave, Chevy Aveo, or a Ford Focus in the US?

I am looking for an inexpensive vehicle.

What type of cars is everyone buying?

Now I didn't check out ALL the standard feature differences but from the CDN and US websites ...

Let check out the price difference on a Nissan Versa 1.8S Sedan:

US Lowest MSRP Price: $13335 including PDI before tax
CDN Lowest MSRP Price: $16173 including PDI before tax

$2838 cheaper in the US that in Canada

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But the US one has aircon so .... lets level the playing field a bit more

CDN $17573 including PDI and the value option package (air con, Remote keyless entry, Power door locks, Power windows, with driver one-touch auto-up/down, Door armrest pad, Rear door pockets, Glove compartment light

US $14145 including PDI and the Power Package (same as above but aircon is STANDARD)

$3428 cheaper in the US that in Canada.

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Note that the ABS package in the US is $250 while its $500 in Canada.

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Its your $3000

[canwin]

Now I didn't check out ALL the standard feature differences but from the CDN and US websites ...

Let check out the price difference on a Nissan Versa 1.8S Sedan:

US Lowest MSRP Price: $13335 including PDI before tax
CDN Lowest MSRP Price: $16173 including PDI before tax

$2838 cheaper in the US that in Canada

--------

But the US one has aircon so .... lets level the playing field a bit more

CDN $17573 including PDI and the value option package (air con, Remote keyless entry, Power door locks, Power windows, with driver one-touch auto-up/down, Door armrest pad, Rear door pockets, Glove compartment light

US $14145 including PDI and the Power Package (same as above but aircon is STANDARD)

$3428 cheaper in the US that in Canada.

--------

Note that the ABS package in the US is $250 while its $500 in Canada.

--------

Its your $3000

It seems not worthy to do it if using MSRP price.
If you log into Nissan.ca, you will probably get a automatic Versa with the value option at $21099.72 (tax included).
With 0.9% rate financing at 48 months, the monthly payment is $447.7.

A similiar car at the US will probably cost $18000(including state sales tax, Canada federal tax, provincial tax). If you use 7% discount rate with 48month payments, the monthly due is $431. Not a very attractive option considering the hassles.

Unless, you can get the car in the US at a much lower price than $18000.

Is there any problem in my calculation?

[runningdog]

That should be Fort St W., shouldn't it?


The U.S. custom in Detroit is located underneath the Ambassador Bridge, and the only way to get in is through Front St W. There is a sign saying U.S. custom. It's a one-way road full of pot-holes. Just drive straight ahead and gate will open for you.

<snip>

Advice: I'd suggest you go early to the U.S. custom at least before it gets dark. The U.S. custom at Detroit is under construction and it's a mess.

[CheapScotsman]

It seems not worthy to do it if using MSRP price.
If you log into Nissan.ca, you will probably get a automatic Versa with the value option at $21099.72 (tax included).
With 0.9% rate financing at 48 months, the monthly payment is $447.7.If you have to lease/finance its a different game as getting financing for cars purchased in the states can be "harder" than just buying it here

A similiar car at the US will probably cost $18000(including state sales tax, Canada federal tax, provincial tax). If you use 7% discount rate with 48month payments, the monthly due is $431. Not a very attractive option considering the hassles.leaving financing aside, edmunds.com configured a versa sedan with auto, power package, ABS for US$14545. You shouldn't have to pay state sales tax (buy where it isn't needed is an RFD expected) then add PST and GST and you are out for around $16240 then add the RIV fee, air con, etc ... you are still in the US$17K camp for a car costing 20+K here.

Unless, you can get the car in the US at a much lower price than $18000.

Is there any problem in my calculation?From all that I have read, financing a car purchase out of the US is probably not going to work. If its strictly a cash sale, then I would always check the numbers out the US (sheesh, I do this for every planned purchase more than about $50)

[hotgo]

Hi gang,

After successfully purchasing a new vehicle for my wife http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6266316&postcount=11953
I'm looking to do the same for myself.

This time I'm coming through Michigan and I have some questions about the border crossings. Hoping that there is someone here that has recently come through Michigan (to Ontario) that can share some tips.

1. Which border crossing is recommended? Port Huron/Sarnia, or Detroit/Windsor?
2. Any tips on either border crossing? Faxes accepted? 72h limit applies? Hours open for Export/Import.

Thanks a lot!!!


So nobody has any tips to share on the Port Huron/Sarnia crossing? I already checked carburner.co, but there is nothing there about that crossing. Is there a reason people are staying away?

[bulgurc]

Not every crossing you can import cars. Are you sure you can from that one?

[canwin]

If you have to lease/finance its a different game as getting financing for cars purchased in the states can be "harder" than just buying it here

leaving financing aside, edmunds.com configured a versa sedan with auto, power package, ABS for US$14545. You shouldn't have to pay state sales tax (buy where it isn't needed is an RFD expected) then add PST and GST and you are out for around $16240 then add the RIV fee, air con, etc ... you are still in the US$17K camp for a car costing 20+K here.

From all that I have read, financing a car purchase out of the US is probably not going to work. If its strictly a cash sale, then I would always check the numbers out the US (sheesh, I do this for every planned purchase more than about $50)

Thanks. Very good explanation.
Just graduated and still paying federal student loan @8.75% interest.
I can borrow from my line of credit to pay cash, which also will cost me around 8%.

I probably should buy a used car instead.

[scouzi]

Once you setup your account in xe.com, not much is exposed when you do a trade. I have used them a few times. Also michelb has a special TD account, he reported excellent rates somewhere at this board


With XE, your money is at risk for 2-3 days - it is not insured. I used them but they sat on the money.

When they say 3-4 days to transfer, they will use it to their advantage.

Maybe safer with TD.

[elmst200]

http://www.thestar.com/Business/Auto/article/309026

Car sales speed to a record
Price cutting, incentives help defy glum forecasts

Mar 04, 2008 04:30 AM
Tony Van Alphen
Business Reporter

Auto sales in Canada roared to a record February despite a slowing economy.

Defying industry forecasts of a decline this year, sales and leases of new autos jumped 14.3 per cent or almost 14,000 to 110,951 vehicles in February from the same month in 2007, manufacturers reported yesterday.

February's total smashed the previous record of 103,200 in 2003 as every mainstream automaker increased business.

The latest results here, which contrast to falling sales south of the border, followed a hot January when business shot up 12.8 per cent.

Analysts attributed the industry's sizzling performance in January and February to more price reductions and record incentives in a fiercely competitive marketplace.

"Serious price cuts at the MSRP (manufacturer's suggested retail price) level last fall and into this winter, together with aggressive incentives and some great products, and you have a blow-the-doors-out February," said auto analyst Dennis DesRosiers.

However he questioned whether the industry can keep up the sales pace if the economy continues to sputter.

"I'm not adapting our forecast until the spring selling season is over," said DesRosiers, who has predicted a decline this year.

The Big Three North American automakers – General Motors, Ford and Chrysler – posted good increases while Japanese manufacturers Honda and Toyota reported stunning results.

Sales at industry leader General Motors of Canada Ltd. shot up 14 per cent to 26,501. The popularity of its Chevrolet Aveo and Pontiac Wave subcompacts and the Malibu mid-size car contributed significantly to the sharp rise.

Chrysler Canada, which announced more incentives this month, improved 5.7 per cent to 16,451 sales in February, the 19th consecutive month it has posted an increase over the previous year.

Ford Motor Co. of Canada Ltd. said big increases of the Edge crossover vehicle, Escape sport utility and Ranger pickup fuelled an overall 4.1 per cent gain to 14,054.

Meanwhile, Honda Canada, including the Acura luxury brand, said its sales soared an eye-popping 49.8 per cent to 12,069, primarily on the strength of the Civic and Fit models. Sales at Toyota Canada, including the Lexus brand, climbed 26.2 per cent to 13,598, primarily because of heavy business for the Corolla compact, Yaris hatchback, Camry hybrid, Tundra truck and RAV4 sport utility.

Among other automakers, Nissan Canada, including the Infiniti luxury brand, said its sales increased 2 per cent to 5,397 last month; Mazda Canada's business rose 12.4 per cent to 5,810; and Hyundai Auto Canada's deliveries improved 7.6 per cent to 5,326.

Kia's sales rose 16 per cent to 2,195; Mitsubishi's were up 59.2 per cent to 1,473; Volkswagen's business increased 3.2 per cent to 2,311; and Subaru's deliveries climbed 11.6 per cent to 1,168.

BMW Group Canada, which includes the Mini brand, said volumes were up 12.8 per cent to 1,393. Mercedes-Benz, including the Smart brand, said sales rose 28.9 per cent to 1,196.

In the U.S., GM, Ford, Chrysler and Toyota reported a drop in business while Honda's sales climbed 5 per cent. Canada exports more than 85 per cent of its auto production south of the border.

[chuckfredgoose]

What charges are involved in buying a car here in Canada?

GST
PST
TIRE TAX + pst and gst (on the tire tax)
PDI
Licence plates



Is there anything else that I am missing?

[nornet]

As of this morning I noticed our dollar is worth more than US dollar.

My wife and I own an older Ford Winstar. I mentioned to her today, that I am going to look for another vehicle so we could have a total of 2 vehicles in our household. I was about to buy a used car, till I saw this thread.

Has anyone came across a less expensive vehicle, even less $$ than the 2008 Outback?

I would like something that is a mid size vehicle with Automatic Transmission and A/C. Warranty is important. I really do not need any other features. I do not really care about the make or model that much. I just require a safer, newer vehicle as I have a couple little kids.

Is it worth going over across the border (Sarnia/Port Huron) and purchase a lesser priced new vehicle?

Or is the Subaru Outback the best choice? <--- I hope not :(


Thanks

You may want to take a look at the Legacy. For some reason the Outback gets all the attention and the Legacy slips in under the radar and is few thou cheaper. IMHO it's a better vehicle although it wont win any styling awards (we have both and the Legacy drives better).

[nornet]

What charges are involved in buying a car here in Canada?

GST
PST
TIRE TAX + pst and gst (on the tire tax)
PDI
Licence plates



Is there anything else that I am missing?

gas tax ($75)
etching/branding ($275-300) this 'tax' is negotiable and I've seen it at 6 Subaru and Mazda dealers.

[michelb]

Honestly, I don't believe these kind of posts help the cause of lowering prices and/or forcing manufacturers like MB/BMW in removing the artificial obstacles that are being put up. This forum is not here to enable astute individuals to make a quick buck on the back on some other unable citizen. Most of us do not import cars for a living and should not. I believe that most of private legitimate importers ( for private personal use) would have no problem signing a non resale agreement for 2 to 3 years. This would put a stop to this non-sense "Pseudo-illegal trade" business.

I completely disagree with you on that - if more dealerships (new and used) continue to import US cars to sell in Canada, the public benefits by having easier access to cheaper vehicles and eventually manufacturers will have to bring their prices in line with US prices. Why do you think so many manufacturers have lowered their prices of late? Because they fell generous? No ... it's because they have to do it to compete. If 'pseudo-illegal importers' start bringing in and selling more cars so that vehicle sales drop significantly, manufacturers will have to re-act by lowering their prices (or trying to find other ways of restricting imports).

If Kanata Ford in Ottawa (example mentioned by MonsieurMaggot) is selling a dozen slightly used US Siennas a week, Toyota dealerships in Ottawa are going to put pressure on Toyota Canada to lower prices so that they can compete.

Right now, there really haven't been that much price adjustments because although imports are way up, it still only accounts for maybe 10% of vehicle sales - if this goes up to 30-40%, we'll start seeing more results.

[hotgo]

Not every crossing you can import cars. Are you sure you can from that one?

Based on their website, yes, but I'd love to hear from someone that has gone through it.

[Bigbob85]

So nobody has any tips to share on the Port Huron/Sarnia crossing? I already checked carburner.co, but there is nothing there about that crossing. Is there a reason people are staying away?

Hotgo...I have brought vehicles across at both Detroit and Port Huron...what info you looking for.

[hotgo]

Hotgo...I have brought vehicles across at both Detroit and Port Huron...what info you looking for.

Just tips'n'tricks. I brought my wife's Subaru Outback through Queenston and that was very smooth. So just wondering if there is anything special to look out for at Port Huron. Or if any of the rules are different there. They accept faxes? Any special fax confirmation to think about? 72h rule? What about the Candian side? Anything special there?

Appreciate the help!

[mangoman]

I've been asking around about some USED toyotas that I've come across listed at dealers in the U.S. and have had resistance from the dealers with them saying that they can't sell to Cdns - even for USED vehicles??!

One guy at Hartford Toyota even tried to tell me that "it's your govt. that's not allowing the sales" - I did my best to straighten him out but he seemed convinced and didn't want to bother to take me up on my offer to clarify that with Toyota USA. In another case, a specific car I inquired about in NYC seems to have been "sold" 3 days before the ad went up - in fact today I noticed they added newer pics of the car on their site?? What gives? :?:

[Bigbob85]

Hotgo...Port Huron is easy. As you drive to the bridge you will see the US customs on the left. There is a cement barrier seperating the two sides. Just park close to the barrier and hop over and go into US customs. They can be busy but have always been good. The last time one of the older fellas wanted to come look at my VIN to be sure it was the same vehicle. Once outside he lit a smoke and said he needed a break. Have never waited at Canada Customs very long. Typical tax police tactics but they see enough that they are the easiest going of the three border points I have crossed at.

Stay away from Detroit....solely because the roads around the bridge are under construction and you have to go to the trucking center for them to stamp your title which is'nt at the bridge. It's actually under the bridge and hard to get to if you do not know the area.

[chuckfredgoose]

You may want to take a look at the Legacy. For some reason the Outback gets all the attention and the Legacy slips in under the radar and is few thou cheaper. IMHO it's a better vehicle although it wont win any styling awards (we have both and the Legacy drives better).


I notice that the Outback sells for roughly $35000 here in Canada. In the US, one guy, a few posts back, picked one up for roughly $26000 all in.

What does the Legacy go for in Canada and the US?





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[blazerzr2]

Not to bash you at all, but there's lots of places to get proper research on car prices.

Check the manu. websites at www.subaru.com and www.subaru.ca.

Or go to edmunds.com and check it out.
Try www.vanbortelsubaru.com and build your own.

On average, prices for a Legacy range from $21K to $27K.

Cheers.

[blazerzr2]

Not to bash you at all, but there's lots of places to get proper research on car prices.

Check the manu. websites at www.subaru.com and www.subaru.ca.

Or go to edmunds.com and check it out.
Try www.vanbortelsubaru.com and build your own.

On average, prices for a Legacy range from $21K to $27K.

Cheers.

Sorry, the prices I quoted above are from the US. In Canada, even with rebates, you're still looking to save at least $8K.

Good luck

[coolcoolfi]

The cheaper the vehicle, the less the reward is.

IMO, it's not worth the effort, hassle, and warranty if the car is less than $30K cdn. Just buy local.

It only worth it for luxury used or new vehicle.

I imported a corolla LE, which was under $21k. I saved $5~6k. I'm not sure how rich you are, but I believe the save does worth the effort.

[scouzi]

I imported a corolla LE, which was under $21k. I saved $5~6k. I'm not sure how rich you are, but I believe the save does worth the effort.

Yes but you don't have a $5k block heater.

[hotgo]

Hotgo...Port Huron is easy. As you drive to the bridge you will see the US customs on the left. There is a cement barrier seperating the two sides. Just park close to the barrier and hop over and go into US customs. They can be busy but have always been good. The last time one of the older fellas wanted to come look at my VIN to be sure it was the same vehicle. Once outside he lit a smoke and said he needed a break. Have never waited at Canada Customs very long. Typical tax police tactics but they see enough that they are the easiest going of the three border points I have crossed at.

Stay away from Detroit....solely because the roads around the bridge are under construction and you have to go to the trucking center for them to stamp your title which is'nt at the bridge. It's actually under the bridge and hard to get to if you do not know the area.

Awesome thanks. That's the kind of info I was looking for. If anyone else has anything else to suggest, I'm all ears.

[lomoX]

Hyundai is a big big big gouger, lol
i've seen their ads for the Veracruz, it is 40K in Canada, and only 27K in the USA, are they really that stupid? Who in their right mind will pay premium for a Korean car? LOL If i have to waste that type of money i might as well get brand name, not no-name BS.

The only thing keeping me up is there will be no warranty in Hyundai Canada whether it's new or used from US...

But the difference of easily $10k, should I care?

[niceguy1234]

The cheaper the vehicle, the less the reward is.

IMO, it's not worth the effort, hassle, and warranty if the car is less than $30K cdn. Just buy local.

It only worth it for luxury used or new vehicle.

From my point of view, as long as the saving is CAD$5000+, it will worth the effort to import for car price between $25000-$40000.

[jingoon]

Hyundai is a big big big gouger, lol
i've seen their ads for the Veracruz, it is 40K in Canada, and only 27K in the USA, are they really that stupid? Who in their right mind will pay premium for a Korean car? LOL If i have to waste that type of money i might as well get brand name, not no-name BS.

I just testdrove one today, and believe or not, I was absolutely amazed by their improvement. I don't know about the cars, but their SUV (Santa Fe. Veracruz) are very refined with nice build quality. Although the ride quality was a little harsh, I found them almost as quiet as our family's Lexus GX470. For 27k? Awesome deal!

[Cars4Canadians]

http://www.thestar.com/Business/Auto/article/309026

Car sales speed to a record
Price cutting, incentives help defy glum forecasts

Mar 04, 2008 04:30 AM
Tony Van Alphen
Business Reporter

Auto sales in Canada roared to a record February despite a slowing economy.

Defying industry forecasts of a decline this year, sales and leases of new autos jumped 14.3 per cent or almost 14,000 to 110,951 vehicles in February from the same month in 2007, manufacturers reported yesterday.

February's total smashed the previous record of 103,200 in 2003 as every mainstream automaker increased business.

The latest results here, which contrast to falling sales south of the border, followed a hot January when business shot up 12.8 per cent.

Analysts attributed the industry's sizzling performance in January and February to more price reductions and record incentives in a fiercely competitive marketplace.

"Serious price cuts at the MSRP (manufacturer's suggested retail price) level last fall and into this winter, together with aggressive incentives and some great products, and you have a blow-the-doors-out February," said auto analyst Dennis DesRosiers.

However he questioned whether the industry can keep up the sales pace if the economy continues to sputter.

"I'm not adapting our forecast until the spring selling season is over," said DesRosiers, who has predicted a decline this year.

The Big Three North American automakers – General Motors, Ford and Chrysler – posted good increases while Japanese manufacturers Honda and Toyota reported stunning results.

Sales at industry leader General Motors of Canada Ltd. shot up 14 per cent to 26,501. The popularity of its Chevrolet Aveo and Pontiac Wave subcompacts and the Malibu mid-size car contributed significantly to the sharp rise.

Chrysler Canada, which announced more incentives this month, improved 5.7 per cent to 16,451 sales in February, the 19th consecutive month it has posted an increase over the previous year.

Ford Motor Co. of Canada Ltd. said big increases of the Edge crossover vehicle, Escape sport utility and Ranger pickup fuelled an overall 4.1 per cent gain to 14,054.

Meanwhile, Honda Canada, including the Acura luxury brand, said its sales soared an eye-popping 49.8 per cent to 12,069, primarily on the strength of the Civic and Fit models. Sales at Toyota Canada, including the Lexus brand, climbed 26.2 per cent to 13,598, primarily because of heavy business for the Corolla compact, Yaris hatchback, Camry hybrid, Tundra truck and RAV4 sport utility.

Among other automakers, Nissan Canada, including the Infiniti luxury brand, said its sales increased 2 per cent to 5,397 last month; Mazda Canada's business rose 12.4 per cent to 5,810; and Hyundai Auto Canada's deliveries improved 7.6 per cent to 5,326.

Kia's sales rose 16 per cent to 2,195; Mitsubishi's were up 59.2 per cent to 1,473; Volkswagen's business increased 3.2 per cent to 2,311; and Subaru's deliveries climbed 11.6 per cent to 1,168.

BMW Group Canada, which includes the Mini brand, said volumes were up 12.8 per cent to 1,393. Mercedes-Benz, including the Smart brand, said sales rose 28.9 per cent to 1,196.

In the U.S., GM, Ford, Chrysler and Toyota reported a drop in business while Honda's sales climbed 5 per cent. Canada exports more than 85 per cent of its auto production south of the border.

I just don't get it, how can people purchase more cars from BMW and Mercedes? Don't they know they are being had? lol

[tkl]

I just testdrove one today, and believe or not, I was absolutely amazed by their improvement. I don't know about the cars, but their SUV (Santa Fe. Veracruz) are very refined with nice build quality. Although the ride quality was a little harsh, I found them almost as quiet as our family's Lexus GX470. For 27k? Awesome deal!

I imported a Sante Fe back in Nov when $$ was 1.06 and saved about $ 9000.00 easily. I only did it due to the price and it would be my last Hyundai if it was a pos. I've been pleasantly surprised and how good it is, the ride was fine for me. If anything, it's a soft ride. I've been told by Hyundai USA to submit and phone them for warranty repairs before doing it. This was not an issue back in Nov. The worse thing would be I would drive it back to Buffalo for warranty work.

[icanwait]

I can't help picking on Hyundai - just for the deals in Quebec and the disparity with Canadian vs US. And the 10 year warranty in the U.S.

The Elantra was just named best buy in its class by Consumer Reports.

The only reason was that it includes traction control at that price point and the others don't.

Canadians are going to read "best buy" and Hyundai is going to reap the benefits when traction control not only isn't included for $5000 more than the US price - but it isn't available in Canada.

Will they tell shoppers it's a best buy? Yes.

Will they explain the difference? No.

I think I better send Consumer Reports a message.

[zircon]

I can't help picking on Hyundai - just for the deals in Quebec and the disparity with Canadian vs US. And the 10 year warranty in the U.S.

The Elantra was just named best buy in its class by Consumer Reports.

The only reason was that it includes traction control at that price point and the others don't.

Canadians are going to read "best buy" and Hyundai is going to reap the benefits when traction control not only isn't included for $5000 more than the US price - but it isn't available in Canada.

Will they tell shoppers it's a best buy? Yes.

Will they explain the difference? No.

I think I better send Consumer Reports a message.
Hyundai dropped prices in Canada today on all their cars. Not sure about SUVs. Sonata apparently came down 5K. Then again, after the scam Lexus ran by bring down base prices and keeping well equipped cars as high as ever, buyer beware.

Still can't believe boneheads are buying vehicles in Canada with such wide price disparities.

Get me a turbo diesel A4, A5, Legacy GT, accord coupe or TSX and I am all in. US-sourced, of course.

[Cars4Canadians]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/04/business/04auto.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

I dont get it, how can this be :) Are Canadian consumers that idiotic?

[d-kim]

Hello,

I did a search and didn't have this question answered.

Imported a car under my name, but seeing as RIV is only open M-F, can my wife process the paper work there?

In fact, can she also do the Canadian Tire inspection and the license plate registration in Ontario?

Thanks

[perfchris]

Can someone point me to companies that sell aftermarket warranties ? Tried searching but did not get any results.

Thanks

[nornet]

Sorry, the prices I quoted above are from the US. In Canada, even with rebates, you're still looking to save at least $8K.

Good luck

Actually, the price savings are closer to $4k with the Cdn rebate. We saved closer to $9k last year.

[bulgurc]

Hello,

I did a search and didn't have this question answered.

Imported a car under my name, but seeing as RIV is only open M-F, can my wife process the paper work there?

In fact, can she also do the Canadian Tire inspection and the license plate registration in Ontario?

Thanks
I am pretty sure RIV and CT can be done by your wife (Give RIV a call to make sure).
Registration, you should be there. It requires signature.

[chuckfredgoose]

I really need a 2nd vehicle.

I am absolutely confused. Does it make sense to buy a lower priced (versa, aveo, wave, fit, yaris) new car from the US?

I now find myself looking at used cars here in Canada. It wan't my intention to buy used. I am looking to spend 10-12 thousand. And now find myself looking at SUVs and minivans. :o

If anyone has any suggestions, please help. Thank you.

[Cars4Canadians]

I just testdrove one today, and believe or not, I was absolutely amazed by their improvement. I don't know about the cars, but their SUV (Santa Fe. Veracruz) are very refined with nice build quality. Although the ride quality was a little harsh, I found them almost as quiet as our family's Lexus GX470. For 27k? Awesome deal!

Might be a good deal for 27K but not for 40K :)

[michelb]

I really need a 2nd vehicle.

I am absolutely confused. Does it make sense to buy a lower priced (versa, aveo, wave, fit, yaris) new car from the US?

I now find myself looking at used cars here in Canada. It wan't my intention to buy used. I am looking to spend 10-12 thousand. And now find myself looking at SUVs and minivans. :o

If anyone has any suggestions, please help. Thank you.

You're going to have to do some research for yourself.

I think you can probably save enough on compacts to buy them in the US but I haven't done the research. If you are looking at spending 10k, you're probably going to be buying used though. I think you can also save a good amount shopping for used in the US but again, you'll have to look at what you can get in Canada vs US at a given price.

It also really depends where you are located - if you are in Toronto, going to Buffalo to buy a used car is easy - if you are in Edmonton or Saskatoon or even Ottawa, getting to a big enough city in the US to go shopping for a used car is quite a bit harder. If you are buying new, you can safely buy sight unseen but if you are buying used, particularly if the car is more than 1 or 2 years old, you probably want to see/drive the car before committing.

[coconut_head]

Has anybody successfully imported a Honda or Acura in Alberta recently? I am in the market of purchasing a 08 TL or Accord Coupe, just wondering where can I find a dealer who would be willing to sell one without giving me a hassle?

Thanks in advance.

[NerV]

Hey guys! I have a question regarding the warranty of the vehicles that are not available in Canada, but in US. For example, Toyota honors a complete warranty in Canada, if the vehicle is purchased in US. But what if it's a Toyota Land Cruiser or Sequoia? Will this car be covered in Canada?

Thanks.

[coolcoolfi]

Toyota honors a complete warranty in Canada, if the vehicle is purchased in US. But what if it's a Toyota Land Cruiser or Sequoia? Will this car be covered in Canada?


It is Toyota, buddy. The warranty is still valid. Dealer can order parts, that's it.

[dumbass]

Can someone point me to companies that sell aftermarket warranties ? Tried searching but did not get any results.

Thanks

www.ensurall.com will deal with you....and their prices aren't bad.

[bulgurc]

The only thing is, service departments might not be as proficient repairing the car, as they normally do not service it...

[diigii]

It seems not worthy to do it if using MSRP price.
If you log into Nissan.ca, you will probably get a automatic Versa with the value option at $21099.72 (tax included).
With 0.9% rate financing at 48 months, the monthly payment is $447.7.

A similiar car at the US will probably cost $18000(including state sales tax, Canada federal tax, provincial tax). If you use 7% discount rate with 48month payments, the monthly due is $431. Not a very attractive option considering the hassles.

Unless, you can get the car in the US at a much lower price than $18000.

Is there any problem in my calculation?

Which you can if you go to edmunds.com and get the invoice price of the Versa trim you are thinking of buying. US dealers sell at invoice, not MSRP.

BTW, HELLO BOYS AND GIRLS!!! HAVEN'T BEEN ON HERE FOR A FEW MONTHS. BEEN BUSY ENJOYING MY IMPORTED "YUMMY!"

[coolcoolfi]

The only thing is, service departments might not be as repairing the car, as they normally do not service it...

They make money on repairing. I don't see why they don't service it.

[CheapScotsman]

I really need a 2nd vehicle.

I am absolutely confused. Does it make sense to buy a lower priced (versa, aveo, wave, fit, yaris) new car from the US?

I now find myself looking at used cars here in Canada. It wan't my intention to buy used. I am looking to spend 10-12 thousand. And now find myself looking at SUVs and minivans. :o

If anyone has any suggestions, please help. Thank you.I just did this a gew pages back ...

Let check out the price difference on a Nissan Versa 1.8S Sedan:

US Lowest MSRP Price: $13335 including PDI before tax
CDN Lowest MSRP Price: $16173 including PDI before tax

$2838 cheaper in the US that in Canada

--------

But the US one has aircon so .... lets level the playing field a bit more

CDN $17573 including PDI and the value option package (air con, Remote keyless entry, Power door locks, Power windows, with driver one-touch auto-up/down, Door armrest pad, Rear door pockets, Glove compartment light

US $14145 including PDI and the Power Package (same as above but aircon is STANDARD)

$3428 cheaper in the US that in Canada.

--------

Note that the ABS package in the US is $250 while its $500 in Canada.

--------

Its your $3000

[CheapScotsman]

We are looking at getting a used 2007 Sienna out of the States... anybody want to give me a ideas of how to negotiate a price for used?

[bulgurc]

They make money on repairing. I don't see why they don't service it.

Sorry I had a typo in my post. It should have read:

The only thing is, service departments might not be as proficient repairing the car, as they normally do not service it...
:razz: Left the proficient out, that changes the meaning quite a bit

[jingoon]

Might be a good deal for 27K but not for 40K :)

I'd probably hesitate for 40k, since I already know that I can get the same one for much less.

But even with 40k, I still think Hyundai vehicles are well priced. I might consider getting Veracruz after a year or so, when we decide to trade in our GX.

[perfchris]

A while back a friend of mine bought a Versa SL and saved 5000 dollars. Remember, car sales in the US declined dramatically last month whereas they have increased in Canada. Some people on edmunds.com prices paid forum have gotten up to 1000 dollars under invoice. Have a look at some previous posts, search for nissan and you will find some dealers in MD discount Nissans heavily.

So, you could probably get a brand new car for about 12000 plus taxes for the Versa S trim.

Good luck !


I just did this a gew pages back ...

Let check out the price difference on a Nissan Versa 1.8S Sedan:

US Lowest MSRP Price: $13335 including PDI before tax
CDN Lowest MSRP Price: $16173 including PDI before tax

$2838 cheaper in the US that in Canada

--------

But the US one has aircon so .... lets level the playing field a bit more

CDN $17573 including PDI and the value option package (air con, Remote keyless entry, Power door locks, Power windows, with driver one-touch auto-up/down, Door armrest pad, Rear door pockets, Glove compartment light

US $14145 including PDI and the Power Package (same as above but aircon is STANDARD)

$3428 cheaper in the US that in Canada.

--------

Note that the ABS package in the US is $250 while its $500 in Canada.

--------

Its your $3000

[diigii]

That's what I've been telling everyone who asks me about buying a Nissan in the US: to go to Maryland if they can drive that distance. I went to Maryland and came back home happy.

A while back a friend of mine bought a Versa SL and saved 5000 dollars. Remember, car sales in the US declined dramatically last month whereas they have increased in Canada. Some people on edmunds.com prices paid forum have gotten up to 1000 dollars under invoice. Have a look at some previous posts, search for nissan and you will find some dealers in MD discount Nissans heavily.

So, you could probably get a brand new car for about 12000 plus taxes for the Versa S trim.

Good luck !

[Monsieurmaggot]

....and Diigii, your signature lives to tell the story.

I would like to know how many people in Canada (never mind those who think they're sharp negotiators or those who spend $100 to join a fleet purchase club like the APA) can get an Altima 3.5 like Diigii did for less than $30 grand all in.

Anyone?

I'm waiting.....

I don't think so.

Or my loaded Subaru Outback for $29,000 Canadian (Okay I paid in US dollars and since the dollar's at parity now it makes more of an impact to say it that way).

Again, anyone?

Or what about the 2008 BMW 328i for $29,800 Canadian?

Not in Canada....

[Paladium]

I am thinking of getting a 2008 Tribeca from Fitzmall for approximately $32,000.

Is there any additional cost besides taxes that I am going to have to look out for.

I am really looking for some input from the fellow who previously bought a subaru from this mall recently (perhaps it was last fall) mall and what his experience was like and hints etc.

Thanks in advance.

Dean

[michelb]

I am thinking of getting a 2008 Tribeca from Fitzmall for approximately $32,000.

Is there any additional cost besides taxes that I am going to have to look out for.

I am really looking for some input from the fellow who previously bought a subaru from this mall recently (perhaps it was last fall) mall and what his experience was like and hints etc.

Thanks in advance.

Dean
The obvious thing with Subarus is confirm that they'll sell it to you (Canadian buying for export) and confirm the price (make sure that the price also doesn't include factory / cash rebates since you won't get those). Subaru USA changed their policy as of Jan 2008 and pretty much took away all benefits for US dealerships so they probably won't sell to you at 'advertised' prices and may request MSRP.

Other than that, there really aren't any difficulties importing Subarus.

[Paladium]

Thanks

Yeah originally they thought they couldn't sell it to me if I was a US customer I could probably get it for 2-3,000 less.

Go figure.

Dean

[TeDoresc]

Imported a car under my name, but seeing as RIV is only open M-F, can my wife process the paper work there?

In fact, can she also do the Canadian Tire inspection and the license plate registration in Ontario?
You wife can do the CT inspection and license registration for you. You don't need to be there. I just did that for another family member.

As for RIV paper work, the easiest way to do it would be by email, as explained in this post (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6208719&postcount=11692).

[mparanczuk]

Hey guys!

I'm currently looking for a brand new Honda Pilot or Toyota Highlander but can't find a dealer willing to sell to a Canadian!! I've called a few dealers in NY but with no luck. I live in Toronto and saw that the MSRP and invoice pricing has a huuuuge disparity. If anyone has any success at any US dealers or at least know of any dealers willing to sell can you please PM me?

Also, I am aware that the warranty is not transferable to Canada but if i can save about $10K on my purchase then i'm pretty sure that it's worth it.

After reading so many posts I know that there are savings to be had and I am missing out! Any help wuold be greatly appreciated...

[thegradas]

I'm looking for an extended warranty... it's a used car.
Any idea of a trusted company that will accept Canadian registered cars and have fair prices?

Thanks in advance.

[toyorav4me]

You wife can do the CT inspection and license registration for you. You don't need to be there. I just did that for another family member.

As for RIV paper work, the easiest way to do it would be by email, as explained in this post (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6208719&postcount=11692).

Just got my 2008 Toyota Rav4 in on Monday, I went into RIV today and was out in three and a half minutes with my paperwork. If you were to go, their hours is 8:30am to 4:30pm. And remember they are on the 5th floor as I did not see an office directory on the ground floor.

[hardcandy1911]

Make this a sticky, 1.5 million views....jesus.

[runningdog]

We are looking at getting a used 2007 Sienna out of the States... anybody want to give me a ideas of how to negotiate a price for used?

+1

I see the prices on cars.com. What is the min. - max. that one could negotiate off the posted price?

(Bring in this Ad for $100 off. Wow?!?)

Got any tips?

[runningdog]

Check back one page:

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6505220&postcount=12970

Maybe they do used too.


I'm looking for an extended warranty... it's a used car.
Any idea of a trusted company that will accept Canadian registered cars and have fair prices?

Thanks in advance.

[Ventrick]

I am thinking of getting a 2008 Tribeca from Fitzmall for approximately $32,000.

Is there any additional cost besides taxes that I am going to have to look out for.

I am really looking for some input from the fellow who previously bought a subaru from this mall recently (perhaps it was last fall) mall and what his experience was like and hints etc.

Thanks in advance.

Dean

I bought from the Gaithersburgh location, Gus Salesman, Al Manager. I contacted Gus by phone about a DGM Legacy 2.5i Limited listed as in stock on their website. The price was right (less then VanBortel and Manchester quotes) and I told him that I wanted it, he asked me for my Credit Card number for a $500 deposit to secure the car for me, I gave them the number but they chose not to charge the card. I then spoke with Al and gave him my information. He FedEx'ed me the purchase order and other paperwork and I signed it and FedEx'ed it back. One benefit of buying in Maryland is their Lemon Law. He gave me their banking information and I wired them the money and we picked a date that was good for me to pickup the car. I gave Al the Fax number for Export and he faxed all of the information for me and provided me. On pickup day they had the car detailed and waiting for me right in front of the main entrance. I signed the last of the paperwork and got the MCO and a Recall letter. Be sure to ask for a System printout stating no recalls to go with the letter as RIV requires this. All in all it was an excellent and very painless process. Time at the dealership was less than 30 minutes.

As for costs, you do not have to Pay Maryland state tax. You pay a $15 fee to get a 90 Day Temporary Plate and $4 Maryland Tire Recycling fee. At the border you pay GST and PST and $100 A/C Excise Tax. You also pay the RIV fee and that's about it.

[Sandy17116]

Just got my 2008 Toyota Rav4 in on Monday, I went into RIV today and was out in three and a half minutes with my paperwork. If you were to go, their hours is 8:30am to 4:30pm. And remember they are on the 5th floor as I did not see an office directory on the ground floor.



Hi, I am interested in RAV4. Would you mind telling me if you have to pay sales tax in US? Do you know if we can import RAV4 4X2 to Canada? per TOYOTA.CA, they only sell RAV4 4x4 in Canada. Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Metal_Driver]

I am very happy to report that after several months of watching this site and many a lot of phone calls later, I finally bought a brand new loaded MDX (Elite equivalent) in the States (North-East) for $52,300 Cdn which included roof rails and X-bars, a protection package (all-weather mats & cargo tray), running boards, a cargo cover, locks, and moldings, the RIV fee, AC tax, GST and PST (Ont). For the same model here in Canada, even after factoring in a cash discount of $7,000 (for the "no passport required" discount being offered in Jan anyway) with the associated reduction in taxes, the identical vehicle was over $15,000 cheaper in the States. :eek:

As to be expected for a vehicle made in Canada (Aliston, Ont) no mods were required to pass the inspection.

I would also like to mention of the useful site at carburner.com for those who are thinking of importing a vehicle from the States.

Overall, I am very glad I put in the effort to make this happen. Given the savings I was able to purchase a vehcile which I simply could not afford here in Canada. I am one very happy camper!

:D

[CheapScotsman]

For those of you who purchased a USED vehicle in the states ... what did you do (and who did you use) for a pre-sales inspection (to make sure it wasn't in an accident, etc)?

[usacars2canada]

Thanks. Very good explanation.
Just graduated and still paying federal student loan @8.75% interest.
I can borrow from my line of credit to pay cash, which also will cost me around 8%.

I probably should buy a used car instead.

Given that the interest rate has dropped, PC financial now has variable rate loan at 6.25%, and 5-year fixed rate loan at 6.45%.
http://www.banking.pcfinancial.ca/a/rates/allPurposeLoanRate.page

[jmlleung]

I bought from the Gaithersburgh location, Gus Salesman, Al Manager. I contacted Gus by phone about a DGM Legacy 2.5i Limited listed as in stock on their website. The price was right (less then VanBortel and Manchester quotes) and I told him that I wanted it, he asked me for my Credit Card number for a $500 deposit to secure the car for me, I gave them the number but they chose not to charge the card. I then spoke with Al and gave him my information. He FedEx'ed me the purchase order and other paperwork and I signed it and FedEx'ed it back. One benefit of buying in Maryland is their Lemon Law. He gave me their banking information and I wired them the money and we picked a date that was good for me to pickup the car. I gave Al the Fax number for Export and he faxed all of the information for me and provided me. On pickup day they had the car detailed and waiting for me right in front of the main entrance. I signed the last of the paperwork and got the MCO and a Recall letter. Be sure to ask for a System printout stating no recalls to go with the letter as RIV requires this. All in all it was an excellent and very painless process. Time at the dealership was less than 30 minutes.

As for costs, you do not have to Pay Maryland state tax. You pay a $15 fee to get a 90 Day Temporary Plate and $4 Maryland Tire Recycling fee. At the border you pay GST and PST and $100 A/C Excise Tax. You also pay the RIV fee and that's about it.

I called them a week or two ago, and Gus said that the dealership is not selling to Canadians anymore.

I am looking for a white Tribeca 5-seat limited for my friend. Does anyone know which Subaru dealership is still selling and has this white one available? Thanks.

[grinspy]

Similar question to the above, would appreciate direction in terms of a Toyota dealership that is selling to Canadians. I am in the GTA, so something in this part of the continent (i.e. New York) would be preferred.

Thanks!

[bpp]

Subaru dealers in the US (inlcuding Fitzmall) are still selling to Canadians. They are just not passing on any incentives.

I called them a week or two ago, and Gus said that the dealership is not selling to Canadians anymore.

I am looking for a white Tribeca 5-seat limited for my friend. Does anyone know which Subaru dealership is still selling and has this white one available? Thanks.

[thegradas]

Thank you! I sent them an email.


Check back one page:

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6505220&postcount=12970

Maybe they do used too.

[jmlleung]

Subaru dealers in the US (inlcuding Fitzmall) are still selling to Canadians. They are just not passing on any incentives.

Is that true? When I called Gus last week, he said that the dealership is not selling to Canadians anymore since January 2008.

[michelb]

... One benefit of buying in Maryland is their Lemon Law. ...

As mentioned before, if you are exporting a vehicle, you need to check the fine print for things like 'Lemon Laws'. Some states appear to still cover you (e.g. New York) but some specifically do not like Maryland.

From Maryland Attorney General Office (http://www.oag.state.md.us/Consumer/lemon.htm):

Maryland's lemon law applies only to cars, light trucks and motorcycles that:

1. Are registered in Maryland, and

...

If you don't register the vehicle (and keep it registered) in Maryland, you are not covered by the Maryland Lemon Law.

Personally, I don't think it's a huge issue - I'm buying in the US because of significant savings, not to get protection from Lemon Laws but it's something to keep in mind.

[niceguy1234]

Hey guys!

I'm currently looking for a brand new Honda Pilot or Toyota Highlander but can't find a dealer willing to sell to a Canadian!! I've called a few dealers in NY but with no luck. I live in Toronto and saw that the MSRP and invoice pricing has a huuuuge disparity. If anyone has any success at any US dealers or at least know of any dealers willing to sell can you please PM me?

Also, I am aware that the warranty is not transferable to Canada but if i can save about $10K on my purchase then i'm pretty sure that it's worth it.

After reading so many posts I know that there are savings to be had and I am missing out! Any help wuold be greatly appreciated...

Toyota will honor the factory warranty as well as the ECP (Extra care plan or the extended warranty) for your imported Toyota cars. You may call Toyota Canada to confirm.

[bulgurc]

Given that the interest rate has dropped, PC financial now has variable rate loan at 6.25%, and 5-year fixed rate loan at 6.45%.
http://www.banking.pcfinancial.ca/a/rates/allPurposeLoanRate.page
Some credit unions still have better rates than PC. Comtech's rate is %6.09 for a 5 year fixed and %6 for variable. As long as you live in Ontario you can get a loan from them.

[NerV]

Hey guys! I know that if I'm importing the car from the states I have to pay 6.1% PDI freight, if the car wasn't made in North America. How can I find out if the car was made in North America? Using the VIN #?


Thanks.

[Coolers]

Hey guys! I know that if I'm importing the car from the states I have to pay 6.1% PDI freight, if the car wasn't made in North America. How can I find out if the car was made in North America? Using the VIN #?

Thanks.

Jesus Christ. Does nobody take the time to read the very first post in this thread? It took a long time to put together and is a valuable resource for all. If one is to make a $30k+ decision based on experiences from other posters, one should actually read about the knowledge being imparted by those same posters.

[mangoman]

Jesus Christ. Does nobody take the time to read the very first post in this thread? It took a long time to put together and is a valuable resource for all. If one is to make a $30k+ decision based on experiences from other posters, one should actually read about the knowledge being imparted by those same posters.

OUCH! A bit harsh but somewhat deserved. :razz:

I prefer to use this approach, provide most of the info with the relevant parts omitted forcing the poster to go do some reading:

From Post #1
4) How do I know if I can import a car without paying duty?

- If the VIN starts with a -------- , it's made in North America and can be imported duty free. If they VIN starts with a ---------- , it's made elsewhere in the world and you will be charged 6.1% duty.

[NerV]

Jesus Christ. Does nobody take the time to read the very first post in this thread? It took a long time to put together and is a valuable resource for all. If one is to make a $30k+ decision based on experiences from other posters, one should actually read about the knowledge being imparted by those same posters.

I'm sorry I just read the first page and realized that it was useless to ask this question. Sorry for bothering you.

[Monsieurmaggot]

So I've been harping for a few years on how Canadians are getting gouged by Canadian Car Manufacturers. Even with their feeble attempt with the current incentives, the prices on average are STILL 26% higher in Canada. There's no reason for that.

To prove my point even further, almost everyone respects Consumer Reports and their comments.

They are now on the bandwagon and saying that even with the current incentives, Canadian standard car prices are on average $8000 more expensive than in the US. The price difference for high-end models are even wider.


http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/HTMLTemplate?tf=/ctv/mar/video/new_player.html&cf=ctv/mar/ctv.cfg&hub=TorontoHome&video_link_high=http://esi.ctv.ca/datafeed/urlgen2.aspx?vid=36156&video_link_low=TO0304_consumer&clip_start=00:00:00.00&clip_end=00:02:09.00&clip_caption=CTV Toronto: Pat Foran compares U.S. and Canadian car prices&clip_id=36156&subhub=video&no_ads=&sortdate=20070607&slug=toronto_consumer_pat_foran2&archive=CTVNews

You can also reach the story at http://autos.ctv.ca/ and search the videos on the main page. Look for "CTV Toronto: Pat Foran compares U.S. and Canadian car prices"

[elmst200]

The CTV link requires password to view, can anybody help it out? Thanks.

So I've been harping for a few years on how Canadians are getting gouged by Canadian Car Manufacturers. Even with their feeble attempt with the current incentives, the prices on average are STILL 26% higher in Canada. There's no reason for that.

To prove my point even further, almost everyone respects Consumer Reports and their comments.

They are now on the bandwagon and saying that even with the current incentives, Canadian standard car prices are on average $8000 more expensive than in the US. The price difference for high-end models are even wider.


http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/HTMLTemplate?tf=/ctv/mar/video/new_player.html&cf=ctv/mar/ctv.cfg&hub=TorontoHome&video_link_high=http://esi.ctv.ca/datafeed/urlgen2.aspx?vid=36156&video_link_low=TO0304_consumer&clip_start=00:00:00.00&clip_end=00:02:09.00&clip_caption=CTV Toronto: Pat Foran compares U.S. and Canadian car prices&clip_id=36156&subhub=video&no_ads=&sortdate=20070607&slug=toronto_consumer_pat_foran2&archive=CTVNews

[Dano76]

A coworker and I are finally gonna take the plunge on a pair of Subarus. Would any of you mind sending me a pm with contact info for the dealers/salespersons that you dealt with (that is, those of you that have not already posted that info in this thread.)

Any references/referrals would be greatly appreciated.