WOW ---- New cars from US up to 30% cheaper (cost to import under $200)

[RRKnight]

I saw someone from the Subaru outback.org forum post that Subaru Canada have finally yielded to the pressure and now have $9,000 to $10,000 factory rebates for cash purchases of Outbacks.

Not sure if this is true or not.

[michelb]

I saw someone from the Subaru outback.org forum post that Subaru Canada have finally yielded to the pressure and now have $9,000 to $10,000 factory rebates for cash purchases of Outbacks.

Not sure if this is true or not.

It's $4000 to $8000 cash back on Legacy, Outback and Tribeca. If you scroll back a few pages (actualy maybe 10 or 20), the full list is there.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Still $10,000 - $12,000 more expensive in Canada.

[longdong]

Yes it's only for the almost top of the line model .. check the based model is around 2k off ...


It's $4000 to $8000 cash back on Legacy, Outback and Tribeca. If you scroll back a few pages (actualy maybe 10 or 20), the full list is there.

[Samflan]

Just a quick thanks to everyone here! I successfuly imported a 2008 Outback 2.5i LTD with a savings of $14k!

[dotcalamitie]

speaking of windshields in tribeca my subarau 2008 tribeca also got a stone chip in it, which spread to be one foot long crack within a few days. So I get it replaced - $480 plus tax. interesting to hear other people are going thru this as well.

[Bincent]

speaking of windshields in tribeca my subarau 2008 tribeca also got a stone chip in it, which spread to be one foot long crack within a few days. So I get it replaced - $480 plus tax. interesting to hear other people are going thru this as well.


Hmm... interesting... I got the hood deflector... wonder if this would help prevent this happening...

[Vidman]

Hmm... interesting... I got the hood deflector... wonder if this would help prevent this happening...

Maybe a bit- it will provide more protection to the front of your hood so you don't get stone chips.

I checked before i got the Tribeca and was quoted $295 for a new windshield for an 08 Tribeca. I guess that's the beauty/curse of living in Calgary- lots of rock chips, but lots of competition for glass shops so the prices are lower!

On a realted note, I read somewhere that Calgary had the 2nd most auto glass shops in North America- 2nd only to Denver, Colorado...

[lightbulb]

My recent experience here (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6026101#post6026101).

My car needs repair (cracked windshield). Anybody has experience with any Subaru dealer in the Toronto/GTA, be it good, bad or ugly?
Thank you.

[Cars4Canadians]

That is the same bs i got also.

I want real action by our government, free trade for all, don't let these ******* car makers gouge the living **** out of us.


Just received the following from Dan Davies (transport Canada) after emailing about the rise in prices of recall letters. Keep sending those emails in!

Davis, Dan [DAVISDA@tc.gc.ca]

Thank you for your comments regarding the proposed regulation to amend section 12 of the Motor Vehicle Safety Regulations (MVSR) to clarify the requirements for the importation of vehicles. Please be assured that we are working as quickly as possible on this amendment but we must respect the consultation process, which provides all Canadians the opportunity to comment. After the 15-day comment period we will be completing a comment assessment, which will be followed by a Part II Canada Gazette publication of the final regulatory requirements.

[jac_3232]

Has anyone used a shipping company to deliver a car from Michigan to Ontario (Sarnia or other)? Just looking for some company names.

Thanks.

[dynamiteroll]

My recent experience here (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6026101#post6026101).

Thanks for that. Very reassuring. :-0

[yklivan]

I'd like to know if anyone has installed a remote starter on your new Tribeca here in Canada. I have called a local dealer and someone quoted me 499.99 for the starter plus labour. However, I found a part supplier in US at 269.99. I'm just worried about the warranty. Any comments?

[rf134a]

I was debating between the exact two vehicles. Rav4 has 6.1% duty and the Tribeca doesn't, unless the 2008 Rav4s are being built in NA.

I'm going with the Tribeca.

The Rav4 is built in Japan and the Tribeca is built in the US. I went to see one today and the Tribeca is pretty big and seems "plusher" than the Rav4. I'm opting for the 5 passenger without nav because map updates are so rare. My neighborhood is 2 years old already but most maps still show that I live in dirt.

The only thing that worries me is that the maintenance on the Tribeca seems really high. The dealer said that all Canadian Tribecas have the oil changes covered up to 60k km, so 10 oil changes at $150-180/oil change "saves me" another $1500-1800. That seems like a lot for an oil change. And the Rav4 also gets about 47% better mileage in the city (17 vs 25) despite making 13hp more power. My current driving habits are roughly 85% city 15% highway, so it makes a pretty big difference.

Otherwise, the Tribeca is pretty nice for US$32,500 or C$42,000.

[cinqhoda]

The Rav4 is built in Japan and the Tribeca is built in the US. I went to see one today and the Tribeca is pretty big and seems "plusher" than the Rav4. I'm opting for the 5 passenger without nav because map updates are so rare. My neighborhood is 2 years old already but most maps still show that I live in dirt.

Toyota is building a new plant in or around Woodstock, Ont. Last I heard they were supposed to start building RAV4s here in late 2007 or early 2008. I'm sure they will follow that up with a 6.1% price reduction... NOT!!!!!!

Anyone out there from the Woodstock area hear any news on the plant opening? I can't find anything newer than 18 months old on google.

[Trexim]

The Rav4 is built in Japan and the Tribeca is built in the US. I went to see one today and the Tribeca is pretty big and seems "plusher" than the Rav4. I'm opting for the 5 passenger without nav because map updates are so rare. My neighborhood is 2 years old already but most maps still show that I live in dirt.

The only thing that worries me is that the maintenance on the Tribeca seems really high. The dealer said that all Canadian Tribecas have the oil changes covered up to 60k km, so 10 oil changes at $150-180/oil change "saves me" another $1500-1800. That seems like a lot for an oil change. And the Rav4 also gets about 47% better mileage in the city (17 vs 25) despite making 13hp more power. My current driving habits are roughly 85% city 15% highway, so it makes a pretty big difference.

Otherwise, the Tribeca is pretty nice for US$32,500 or C$42,000.

Just to clarify, RAV 4 AWD is not full-time AWD (though it has a button to lock AWD). According to review, that's the reason it has great mileage .

[Acadian]

The Rav4 is built in Japan and the Tribeca is built in the US. I went to see one today and the Tribeca is pretty big and seems "plusher" than the Rav4. I'm opting for the 5 passenger without nav because map updates are so rare. My neighborhood is 2 years old already but most maps still show that I live in dirt.

The only thing that worries me is that the maintenance on the Tribeca seems really high. The dealer said that all Canadian Tribecas have the oil changes covered up to 60k km, so 10 oil changes at $150-180/oil change "saves me" another $1500-1800. That seems like a lot for an oil change. And the Rav4 also gets about 47% better mileage in the city (17 vs 25) despite making 13hp more power. My current driving habits are roughly 85% city 15% highway, so it makes a pretty big difference.

Otherwise, the Tribeca is pretty nice for US$32,500 or C$42,000.

You don't have to go to the dealer for an oil change...i've never paid more than $50 (if that) for an oil change....but i know nothing about Tribeca's.

[rf134a]

Just to clarify, RAV 4 AWD is not full-time AWD (though it has a button to lock AWD). According to review, that's the reason it has great mileage .

Yes, that's what the dealer said too. But really, how many people buy an SUV and actually use it for off roading? Not many. I'll take the better mileage since I won't be rallying with it. Driving smart should reduce the need for full-time AWD. :)

You don't have to go to the dealer for an oil change...i've never paid more than $50 (if that) for an oil change....but i know nothing about Tribeca's.

That is true. Does anyone know what kind of oil the Tribeca uses? Standard 5w30 or some odd 0w20 or whatever oil? The sales guy at the Toyota dealership heavily emphasized that the Rav4 used regular oil, regular gas and regular differential oil, whatever that is.

[Czum]

Hey all,

I've tried looking in the thread for this answer but can't find anything (thread's pretty big, getting hard to search!). I'm looking at buying used from a private party in the US (02 WRX). It has an outstanding (very minor) recall on it. My understanding from the RIV website (and confirmed by an RIV employee on the phone, although she didn't sound too convincing) is that I don't need the Recall Clearance Letter when I actually cross the border - I can have the work done locally when I get home, obtain the letter at that time, then fax it to RIV in order to get the Form 2. Can anyone else corroborate this? This way, I don't have to wait on the seller to get the recall done, and can have it done at the same time as the DRLs go in .

Thanks,
Czum

[Trexim]

Yes, that's what the dealer said too. But really, how many people buy an SUV and actually use it for off roading? Not many. I'll take the better mileage since I won't be rallying with it. Driving smart should reduce the need for full-time AWD. :)


Obviously, everyone has their own preference and it seems you have made up your mind. RAV 4 is a nice car and it's a good decision to pick up a great mileage car. Just that AWD is not for off road only and wanted to point out the reason why RAV 4 had such a good mileage. Most of the time it's a FWD car for all intend and purpose.

Driving smart should also reduce the need of ABS, air bags ....

[joejack]

My understanding from the RIV website (and confirmed by an RIV employee on the phone, although she didn't sound too convincing) is that I don't need the Recall Clearance Letter when I actually cross the border
Czum

Correct. Recall letter is not needed at the border. You only need the re-call letter when you submit your form to RIV either in person or via fax. So, yes, you could get the car in and then do the recall...Just make sure the dealers are ok with doing the recall work without any issues.

[joejack]

Has anyone used a shipping company to deliver a car from Michigan to Ontario (Sarnia or other)? Just looking for some company names.

Thanks.

Personally, after reading reviews of transportation company, I decided that I was going to drive my new car, even if it took three full days of driving, but that is just me.

Here is a site which reviews many many different shipping companies:
http://www.transportreviews.com/

You should also search the following site for names of any companies you wish do do business with to get a feel for what types of issues to expect:
http://www.complaints.com/

Hope this helps.

[jmlleung]

Personally, after reading reviews of transportation company, I decided that I was going to drive my new car, even if it took three full days of driving, but that is just me.

Here is a site which reviews many many different shipping companies:
http://www.transportreviews.com/

You should also search the following site for names of any companies you wish do do business with to get a feel for what types of issues to expect:
http://www.complaints.com/

Hope this helps.

Does http://www.transportreviews.com/ contain an exhaustive list? I use JDR Logistics (referred by Jack at Manchester Subaru), which they use M&M Trucking. But I couldn't find either of them in the database.

[tico 1948]

I'd like to know if anyone has installed a remote starter on your new Tribeca here in Canada. I have called a local dealer and someone quoted me 499.99 for the starter plus labour. However, I found a part supplier in US at 269.99. I'm just worried about the warranty. Any comments?
I had a remote starter installed at Manchester Subaru. It was an aftermarket unit(Avital Model 4100 by Directed Electronics) that Xan Peterson had an outside company install in my Tribeca. I had a choice of purchasing the Subaru unit for about $600USD or have the aftermarket one for $299USD (installed). Xan said that it would in "no way void the warranty":D and that most clients who wanted Remote Start were opting for the aftermarket unit.It has worked flawlessly for me(thankful that we have it with all the cold temps. lately) and I recommend anyone, to have a unit installed.It's money well spent! I don't know why I waited so long to have a vehicle equipped with one.

[jac_3232]

Personally, after reading reviews of transportation company, I decided that I was going to drive my new car, even if it took three full days of driving, but that is just me.

Here is a site which reviews many many different shipping companies:
http://www.transportreviews.com/

Thanks for the link. I would drive it, but I'm trying to avoid the 6% MI state tax.

[EL820]

The only thing that worries me is that the maintenance on the Tribeca seems really high. The dealer said that all Canadian Tribecas have the oil changes covered up to 60k km, so 10 oil changes at $150-180/oil change "saves me" another $1500-1800. That seems like a lot for an oil change. And the Rav4 also gets about 47% better mileage in the city (17 vs 25) despite making 13hp more power. My current driving habits are roughly 85% city 15% highway, so it makes a pretty big difference.

Otherwise, the Tribeca is pretty nice for US$32,500 or C$42,000.


On paper, I'm really impressed with Rav4's V6 as well.

The fuel economy number you posted doesn't seem correct. I can't imagine the Rav4 being 47% more efficient than the Tribeca seeing how both of them are 6 cylinder vehicles. Here are the numbers I got for the two vehicles:

Rav4 V6:
19 mpg city, 26 mpg highway (from US site)
11.1L/100km, 7.7L/100km (from CDN site)
25 mpg city, 37 mpg highway (from CDN site)

Tribeca:
16 mpg city, 21 mpg highway (US site)
13.2L/100km, 9.4L/100km (CDN site)

If you compare the mpg numbers from their respective US sites, the Tribeca is only off by 3 miles per gallon in the city (5 mpg highway). I think the Toyota Canada site screwed up their mpg numbers. According to Toyota, the Canadian Rav4 V6 gets 6 more miles in the city or 11 more miles on the highway compared to an US spec Rav4 V6. Oh yes, the Rav4 V6 runs on premium gas whereas the Tribeca runs on regular.

I will be taking the car to my mechanic for maintenance work, not the dealer. An oil change for the Tribeca shouldn't cost over $150. It's a Subaru, not a Porche. :lol: It will only be going back to the dealer for warranty work (hopefully none).

[michelb]

On paper, I'm really impressed with Rav4's V6 as well.

The fuel economy number you posted doesn't seem correct. I can't imagine the Rav4 being 47% more efficient than the Tribeca seeing how both of them are 6 cylinder vehicles. Here are the numbers I got for the two vehicles:

Rav4 V6:
19 mpg city, 26 mpg highway (from US site)
11.1L/100km, 7.7L/100km (from CDN site)
25 mpg city, 37 mpg highway (from CDN site)

Tribeca:
16 mpg city, 21 mpg highway (US site)
13.2L/100km, 9.4L/100km (CDN site)

If you compare the mpg numbers from their respective US sites, the Tribeca is only off by 3 miles per gallon in the city (5 mpg highway). I think the Toyota Canada site screwed up their mpg numbers. According to Toyota, the Canadian Rav4 V6 gets 6 more miles in the city or 11 more miles on the highway compared to an US spec Rav4 V6. Oh yes, the Rav4 V6 runs on premium gas whereas the Tribeca runs on regular.

I will be taking the car to my mechanic for maintenance work, not the dealer. An oil change for the Tribeca shouldn't cost over $150. It's a Subaru, not a Porche. :lol: It will only be going back to the dealer for warranty work (hopefully none).

The CND and US MPG aren't the same because the CDN probably uses imperial gallons (20%) more while the US will use US gallons. Also they don't necessarily do the same test to determine the mileage.

You're right about the oil changes, there's no reason it should be more than $30 or $40. Actually with the Tribeca, you should just be able to go to any 'oil change shop' or Walmart, Costco, etc. With the turbocharged Outbacks, you have to be a bit more careful (although most shops should know this anyway) since with a turbocharged engine, you should pre-fill the oil filter with oil when you change the oil/filter otherwise you can damage the turbo (if you don't pre-fill the oil filter, the turbocharger could spin without any oil for a few seconds before the new oil gets to it and damage it).

[EL820]

Yes, that's what the dealer said too. But really, how many people buy an SUV and actually use it for off roading? Not many. I'll take the better mileage since I won't be rallying with it. Driving smart should reduce the need for full-time AWD. :)



That is true. Does anyone know what kind of oil the Tribeca uses? Standard 5w30 or some odd 0w20 or whatever oil? The sales guy at the Toyota dealership heavily emphasized that the Rav4 used regular oil, regular gas and regular differential oil, whatever that is.

Just to clarify...the 4 cylinder Rav4 uses regular gas, but for their V6 Rav4s it recommends premium gas...so it's an extra 11 cents per litre at the pump. ;)

Tribeca runs on regular gas.

[EL820]

The CND and US MPG aren't the same because the CDN probably uses imperial gallons (20%) more while the US will use US gallons. Also they don't necessarily do the same test to determine the mileage.

Ah...thanks for clarifying. I thought the difference might be due to different testing environment, but it's such a huge difference.

So, the Rav4 V6 is about 20% more fuel efficient compared to the Tribeca, but it uses premium fuel that costs 10% more. To summarize, the Rav4 V6 cost about 10% less to run. :D

[jwstewart]

The only thing that worries me is that the maintenance on the Tribeca seems really high. The dealer said that all Canadian Tribecas have the oil changes covered up to 60k km, so 10 oil changes at $150-180/oil change "saves me" another $1500-1800. That seems like a lot for an oil change.

My last oil purchase was Castrol Syntec 5W30 on sale at for $28 @ CT. Filter is always less than $10.00, labour is always free.

Rav4 V6:
19 mpg city, 26 mpg highway (from US site)
11.1L/100km, 7.7L/100km (from CDN site)
25 mpg city, 37 mpg highway (from CDN site)

Tribeca:
16 mpg city, 21 mpg highway (US site)
13.2L/100km, 9.4L/100km (CDN site)

I calculated a $275 per year variance based on 85% city driving. Not enough to offset the approx $10,000 price difference.

[joejack]

Does http://www.transportreviews.com/ contain an exhaustive list? I use JDR Logistics (referred by Jack at Manchester Subaru), which they use M&M Trucking. But I couldn't find either of them in the database.

M&M Trucking also known as http://www.rustcarcarriers.com/: could not find them either. However, I have heard the name Jack and Manchester Subaru, seems they have helped number of people on this forum. I am sure someone must have used their trucking service? If not, then I would trust the dealer in this case as he has helped number of people and would take my chance.

In my experience, when you read the fine print of the contract you will sign with the trucking company it will tell you that they take _NO_ responsibility of your car (in side or out). Even though they advertise the fact that they are fully insured. I have read contracts from multiple trucking companies and found this to be true in each of them.

Good luck.

[mmhassa2]

Just wondering if anyone has bought a 2007 Dodge Charger (SE? the basic one) from the states and if so how much was the price after the discounts?

[bababui]

proposed changes to transport canada rule on theft immobilizer are now in 2 week consultation period. that expires on the weekend, I guess this change would then take affect next week. i just read on carswithoutborders that TC offices will be closed for Christmas from Dec 14th, thus meaning they will not make this change official until then. i understand that people who are caught up in this issue and have their cars sitting in their garages will start getting their form 2s next week.
what does this mean for those who have not bought their cars yet, I have been waiting for this change to take effect before purchasing. If I purchase now would I be allowed to bring the vehicle home? I guess I would have to park it until I get form 2?

don't know what to do, need to make a purchase before year end...

[mangoman]

proposed changes to transport canada rule on theft immobilizer are now in 2 week consultation period. that expires on the weekend, I guess this change would then take affect next week. i just read on carswithoutborders that TC offices will be closed for Christmas from Dec 14th, thus meaning they will not make this change official until then. i understand that people who are caught up in this issue and have their cars sitting in their garages will start getting their form 2s next week.
what does this mean for those who have not bought their cars yet, I have been waiting for this change to take effect before purchasing. If I purchase now would I be allowed to bring the vehicle home? I guess I would have to park it until I get form 2?

don't know what to do, need to make a purchase before year end...

If you're purchasing a vehicle that is built post-Sept.1, 2007/is affected by the immobilizer rule and you absolutely must purchase before the end of the year, don't do anything until you hear/can actually read something in print that makes it officially legal to import your car and plate it. Doing otherwise is just speculative and foolish when it comes to that amount of $. None of us are professional fortune-tellers so don't risk something like this until the rules are updated one way or the other. If you really must buy something before the end of the year, then find a vehicle that is already allowed on the list and buy that.

[michelb]

If you're purchasing a vehicle that is built post-Sept.1, 2007/is affected by the immobilizer rule and you absolutely must purchase before the end of the year, don't do anything until you hear/can actually read something in print that makes it officially legal to import your car and plate it. Doing otherwise is just speculative and foolish when it comes to that amount of $. None of us are professional fortune-tellers so don't risk something like this until the rules are updated one way or the other. If you really must buy something before the end of the year, then find a vehicle that is already allowed on the list and buy that.

I agree 100%. Don't forget that even though the immobilizer rule might get tossed (or at least relaxed), there's nothing that really stops manufacturers from using a different reason to prevent the admissibilty. We're all hoping that this will open up most cars but other than the models that specifically said 'pre-Sept07' is ok and 'post-Sept97' is not, you can't assume that the immobilizer is the only problem.

[cavuu]

On paper, I'm really impressed with Rav4's V6 as well.

The fuel economy number you posted doesn't seem correct. I can't imagine the Rav4 being 47% more efficient than the Tribeca seeing how both of them are 6 cylinder vehicles. Here are the numbers I got for the two vehicles:

Rav4 V6:
19 mpg city, 26 mpg highway (from US site)
11.1L/100km, 7.7L/100km (from CDN site)
25 mpg city, 37 mpg highway (from CDN site)

Tribeca:
16 mpg city, 21 mpg highway (US site)
13.2L/100km, 9.4L/100km (CDN site)

If you compare the mpg numbers from their respective US sites, the Tribeca is only off by 3 miles per gallon in the city (5 mpg highway). I think the Toyota Canada site screwed up their mpg numbers. According to Toyota, the Canadian Rav4 V6 gets 6 more miles in the city or 11 more miles on the highway compared to an US spec Rav4 V6. Oh yes, the Rav4 V6 runs on premium gas whereas the Tribeca runs on regular.

I will be taking the car to my mechanic for maintenance work, not the dealer. An oil change for the Tribeca shouldn't cost over $150. It's a Subaru, not a Porche. :lol: It will only be going back to the dealer for warranty work (hopefully none).
US mpg are based on the US gallon not the imperial gallon that is used in Canada.
Also the US started using a new way to compute MPG which has lowered the MPG on most vehicles by approx 2 MPG (this number varies). This is explained on their website. Canada is still using the old higher MPG

To make a fair comparison add 2 mpg to the US quotes. Then divide the result by 4 and multiply by 5.

Rav4 V6: 26 mpg city 26+2= 28 (old rating) US mpg. 28/4= 7 7x5=35 Cdn mpg which is closer to the Cdn quote of 37

[cavuu]

Just wondering if anyone has bought a 2007 Dodge Charger (SE? the basic one) from the states and if so how much was the price after the discounts?
Just go to the US website.
Chrysler will not honour the US warranty in Canada. I unfortunately owned a Dodge Magnum for 2 1/2 years. It was bought back by Chrysler after taking them to arbitration via the lemon law. Trust me, you don't want to own a Chrysler product that uses the 300/Magnum/Charger configuration without a warranty!!!!! There was an article in one of the newspapers about the Charger the Toronto Police bought. It apparently sits in the lot as the officers don't want to drive it due to the poor visibility. Same problem with the 300/Magnum

[michelb]

Just go to the US website.
Chrysler will not honour the US warranty in Canada. I unfortunately owned a Dodge Magnum for 2 1/2 years. It was bought back by Chrysler after taking them to arbitration via the lemon law. Trust me, you don't want to own a Chrysler product that uses the 300/Magnum/Charger configuration without a warranty!!!!! There was an article in one of the newspapers about the Charger the Toronto Police bought. It apparently sits in the lot as the officers don't want to drive it due to the poor visibility. Same problem with the 300/Magnum

Funny that you should post that message - I was just going to say that you don't really want to buy any Dodge/Chrysler product without the warranty (we have a Sebring).

[rjmbc]

Just went to CT to have the form2 completed. Seem that the DRL on this vehicle can be switched "off" & the inspector wants this ability disabled. Anyone know how to do this? or where to get it done? Thanks

[crasher]

Just went to CT to have the form2 completed. Seem that the DRL on this vehicle can be switched "off" & the inspector wants this ability disabled. Anyone know how to do this? or where to get it done? Thanks

I installed permanently on fog lights in my Camry, or search this thread for other options;)

[rummyd]

Just to clarify...the 4 cylinder Rav4 uses regular gas, but for their V6 Rav4s it recommends premium gas...so it's an extra 11 cents per litre at the pump. ;)

Tribeca runs on regular gas.


Where did you hear that the RAV4 V6 needs premium? My understanding all along was that it uses regular gas, not premium (unlike the RDX, some Subies, etc.) I just did a quick search and this is noted by Consumer Reports and a few other sites to back this up...did you read something else?

[mmhassa2]

Just go to the US website.
Chrysler will not honour the US warranty in Canada. I unfortunately owned a Dodge Magnum for 2 1/2 years. It was bought back by Chrysler after taking them to arbitration via the lemon law. Trust me, you don't want to own a Chrysler product that uses the 300/Magnum/Charger configuration without a warranty!!!!! There was an article in one of the newspapers about the Charger the Toronto Police bought. It apparently sits in the lot as the officers don't want to drive it due to the poor visibility. Same problem with the 300/Magnum

Thanks for the reply! Actually I`m not in the market to purchase one from the states as I just bought one 2 months ago from a dealer here and felt I got a realy decent deal. But friends and family kept telling me I could have gotten a better deal if I went to the states :| So just wanted to see if anyone was actually able to save big bucks. I purchased it when they had a employee and some other sale going on for $25K taxes included.

[Danno2005]

Just went to CT to have the form2 completed. Seem that the DRL on this vehicle can be switched "off" & the inspector wants this ability disabled. Anyone know how to do this? or where to get it done? Thanks

Try a different CT. Chances are you will get a different answer and get a pass on the DRLs.

[LoDown]

So in other words the importer is still underreporting the value for the purposes of paying duty. How did I quote you out of context exactly :confused: ?

He is not 'underreporting' he is reporting the true value of the used car.

Unless you are implying the importer's friend is willing to sell the car to the importer for less than he paid the dealer new. I need more friends like that!

...and you do have friends like that! Make it up to them some other way.

You are already saving thousands of $$$ by buying in the US, is it really worth it to underreport just to save a few hundred bucks on duty and GST?

If it's legal, why not?


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[Kamloops]

I agree 100%. Don't forget that even though the immobilizer rule might get tossed (or at least relaxed), there's nothing that really stops manufacturers from using a different reason to prevent the admissibilty. We're all hoping that this will open up most cars but other than the models that specifically said 'pre-Sept07' is ok and 'post-Sept97' is not, you can't assume that the immobilizer is the only problem.


Yes! What is stopping them from doing what BMW has done. I think people even if they are not wanting to buy a BMW should complain just as much. BMW has set precedence!

[boci]

Guys, where do you buy US dollar? I just hate paying 2.5% - 3% to the banks

Thanks

[jadeboy]

Guys, where do you buy US dollar? I just hate paying 2.5% - 3% to the banks

Thanks

http://www.xe.com/

[reddy54]

Guys, where do you buy US dollar? I just hate paying 2.5% - 3% to the banks

Thanks

if you have an account at a stock broker he will do better than the banks. Also try a Foreign exchange house like Globex.

[toystoys]

Just went to CT to have the form2 completed. Seem that the DRL on this vehicle can be switched "off" & the inspector wants this ability disabled. Anyone know how to do this? or where to get it done? Thanks

Toyota dealership glued my switch in the auto position. This is the signal flasher lever that had a 'DRL OFF' position when twisted fully. I wanted to go to the dealer to see what they would say about the car. The licence plate frame said 'Toyota of Hollywood'. Note, this was a 2007 bought in July when they were still selling to Cdn's. Didn't take long before the dealer's son was in the waiting area asking me questions about the car that was being registered for servicing. Had an interesting 10 minute discussion :) Paid $75 for the glue job but it was still less than CT's mod, plus I am now officially logged into Toyota's system. Kudos to the dealer as I was treated fairly even tho his price was $12k over USA price. I did call them for a quote before I left for Florida.

Florida dealer surprised me with the added state tax, he didn't advise me of this before when he had ample opportunity during several phone conversations. Quite shady and I was 'some' upset but the extra didn't deter me from the sale because his manager ate a few hundred and I still saved plenty.

In hindsight I would have done the same thing by glueing a small piece of plastic on the switch lever exterior so that it would achieve the same result. Could also be removed easily after if someone thought it was not needed. This would then make your car illegal. Not for me, so I'll just leave the glued lever in the 'AUTO' position. Lights are controlled by sensors on the dash.

All the CT inspector wants to see is the inability to turn off DRL's. Some have used tape to prevent the switch from turning and have passed the inspection.

If your setup is similar this may work for you ..... g'luck.

[LoDown]

I absolutely agree. I have a very good friend in Ontario who's father( now deceased) worked at a Cdn. Border crossing. He used to regale us with stories about how he and his co-workers busted cheaters at the border. It's a Badge of Honour for them to stomp on people who try to pass "bad fuggum" on the CBSA. A word of advice, proceed with that idea "AT YOUR OWN PERIL!" I tell you true!!!!

I am sorry to say, but you are simply helping to propagate the fear factor that CBSA likes to put out there. Certainly you need to know what you are doing and need to declare the "true value" of the now used car. If you do not think notes of quotes from car dealers will cut it then get yourself 2-3 faxed quotes and/or a source of used car prices (Kelly Blue Book, etc) to support your declared value. Not for the faint of heart, but certainly do-able and legal. Nuff said.

[LoDown]

Remember that another RFDer decided to play around with CBSA when he imported a boat from the US. He risked losing his boat and car. He was fined over $3000 (on top of the extra tax) for misleading the CBSA.

They have the right to impose book value on any vehicle. They can request cancelled cheques and proof of payment.

Remember you're not buying small ticket items here.

I wouldn't risk playing around with the CBSA when it comes to a vehicle purchase.

You're saving thousands buying in the US. A couple of hundred bucks in taxes isn't worth getting my new ride impounded.

Playing around and under-reporting is one thing, while declaring the true value of an item is quite another. I am not advocating the former, but am saying that declaring the 'true value' of the product to CBSA is acceptable. Your job in doing this is to find out what that true value really is.

[z-forester]

Thanks to MrM. and all those who posted their experiences!
Just brought back an 08 Tribeca 7 pass with Navi/DVD.
On a side note, it took the same amount of time to fly from Toronto to Balitmore, Maryland (Annapolis) as the drive back in the new Tribeca (thanks aircanada!>:( ).

[GregGH]

Originally Posted by boci
Guys, where do you buy US dollar? I just hate paying 2.5% - 3% to the banks/

If you trade more than $50,000 you call BofM and they will give you a specific quote -- maybe this is the push you needed to buy that premium car ( or two cars :-)

Greg

LS430 from Buffalo, NY
C6 from South Haven, MI

[regrus]

Here is my problem. Prior to my BMW purchase I reviewed the RIV site and followed all the rules to a T.

I purchased my car on November 23rd; a used off lease 2003 BMW Z4 in Arizona from a financial arm of BMW USA.

But before the 72 hour waiting period had expired and without any notice on November 26th the RIV site was revised and I am now required to supply BMW Canada with my serial number and pay fee's for services that were not required prior to the change on November 26th.

BMW now wants me to pay a Canadian dealer to turn on the daytime running lights and also probably replace the speedometer cluster (they won't tell me until I pay the fee) before they will provide the required clearance letter.

BMW has further blocked BMW USA dealers from providing me with the clearance letter even thought I already have had the daytime lights programed by a BMW dealer in the USA. They now say that's not good enough and the work must be done by a Canadian dealer at much higher cost.

On phoning the RIV they advise they don't require the change out of the speedo cluster nor do they care who turns on the daytime running lights.

RIV has also advised me that they had an agreement with BMW Canada that BMW would provide clearance letters for all vehicles purchased piror to the November 26th change. Well not so states BMW Canada. BMW has advised me they will only supply clearance letters to vehicles purchased in the USA piror to November 26th but already in Canada on November 26th. What B.S as I could not have had my car in as I was required to wait for the 72 hour notice to pass.

RIV advises my only recourse is to contact my PM. I've decided to leave the car in storage in the USA as I don't need it until spring. If I were to bring the car in now my 45 days to get the car certified and inspected would start.

If i have to l'll pay the fee's, but I'll be suing BMW Canada in small debts court for the additional monies it's cost me. We will let a judge decided who is right.
What would you guys do?

[LoDown]

Here is my problem. Prior to my BMW purchase I reviewed the RIV site and followed all the rules to a T.

I purchased my car on November 23rd; a used off lease 2003 BMW Z4 in Arizona from a financial arm of BMW USA.

But before the 72 hour waiting period had expired and without any notice on November 26th the RIV site was revised and I am now required to supply BMW Canada with my serial number and pay fee's for services that were not required prior to the change on November 26th.

BMW now wants me to pay a Canadian dealer to turn on the daytime running lights and also probably replace the speedometer cluster (they won't tell me until I pay the fee) before they will provide the required clearance letter.

BMW has further blocked BMW USA dealers from providing me with the clearance letter even thought I already have had the daytime lights programed by a BMW dealer in the USA. They now say that's not good enough and the work must be done by a Canadian dealer at much higher cost.

On phoning the RIV they advise they don't require the change out of the speedo cluster nor do they care who turns on the daytime running lights.

RIV has also advised me that they had an agreement with BMW Canada that BMW would provide clearance letters for all vehicles purchased piror to the November 26th change. Well not so states BMW Canada. BMW has advised me they will only supply clearance letters to vehicles purchased in the USA piror to November 26th but already in Canada on November 26th. What B.S as I could not have had my car in as I was required to wait for the 72 hour notice to pass.

RIV advises my only recourse is to contact my PM. I've decided to leave the car in storage in the USA as I don't need it until spring. If I were to bring the car in now my 45 days to get the car certified and inspected would start.

If i have to l'll pay the fee's, but I'll be suing BMW Canada in small debts court for the additional monies it's cost me. We will let a judge decided who is right.
What would you guys do?

Sell the car in the US. Buy a Subaru or from a car manufacturer who plays somewhat fair. Never buy a BMW again and most importantly, tell all your friends of your experience and recommend they black list BMW for life as well.

[EL820]

Where did you hear that the RAV4 V6 needs premium? My understanding all along was that it uses regular gas, not premium (unlike the RDX, some Subies, etc.) I just did a quick search and this is noted by Consumer Reports and a few other sites to back this up...did you read something else?

I went and test drove a 2007 Rav4 V6 a few months ago, and the sales rep told me that the V6 takes premium gas. I was a bit disappointed cuz I really didn't want to purchase another vehicle that takes premium.

Maybe Toyota tuned it's V6 for the 2008 to use regular fuel.

Can someone with a Rav4 V6 clarify whether it takes regular or premium fuel?

[Kamloops]

Here is my problem. Prior to my BMW purchase I reviewed the RIV site and followed all the rules to a T.

I purchased my car on November 23rd; a used off lease 2003 BMW Z4 in Arizona from a financial arm of BMW USA.

But before the 72 hour waiting period had expired and without any notice on November 26th the RIV site was revised and I am now required to supply BMW Canada with my serial number and pay fee's for services that were not required prior to the change on November 26th.

BMW now wants me to pay a Canadian dealer to turn on the daytime running lights and also probably replace the speedometer cluster (they won't tell me until I pay the fee) before they will provide the required clearance letter.

BMW has further blocked BMW USA dealers from providing me with the clearance letter even thought I already have had the daytime lights programed by a BMW dealer in the USA. They now say that's not good enough and the work must be done by a Canadian dealer at much higher cost.

On phoning the RIV they advise they don't require the change out of the speedo cluster nor do they care who turns on the daytime running lights.

RIV has also advised me that they had an agreement with BMW Canada that BMW would provide clearance letters for all vehicles purchased piror to the November 26th change. Well not so states BMW Canada. BMW has advised me they will only supply clearance letters to vehicles purchased in the USA piror to November 26th but already in Canada on November 26th. What B.S as I could not have had my car in as I was required to wait for the 72 hour notice to pass.

RIV advises my only recourse is to contact my PM. I've decided to leave the car in storage in the USA as I don't need it until spring. If I were to bring the car in now my 45 days to get the car certified and inspected would start.

If i have to l'll pay the fee's, but I'll be suing BMW Canada in small debts court for the additional monies it's cost me. We will let a judge decided who is right.
What would you guys do?

drl on a z4 is done is the computer. its an easy one for the dealer

[jed]

From my understanding, Subaru like pretty much every other deal gets a % back of the MSRP, Subaru’s is 3%. That is what lets them sell below invoice not MSRP. MSRP is meaning less in the US. So on a Tribeca that around $1,000. So if they sell at invoice they make $1000. Karl @ VBS has indicated that we still get the $500 Van Bortel Cash, Therefore they make $500. I bought a Civic 3 years ago here and I paid $500 over invoice. Not sure if Canada has the any of the % kickback like the US, but I got the car for $500 above invoice. Car dealers would sell to anyone for $500 per car I imagine, some will just use the SOA announcement to milk more money out of us. Glad I’m dealing with VBS.

GM got rid of holdback in 1990. Dealer cost is dealer cost for GM guys, not taking into account any incentives that may be in place.

[southpaw4golf]

drl on a z4 is done is the computer. its an easy one for the dealer

I concur that it is computer progamming that will enable the DRLs.
Here in Edmonton the local beemer dealer wants $200 and requires the vehicle to be kept at the dealership for 2 days to perform the programming.
Ok $200 is one thing, but a 2 day hold is a complete farce.

[jed]

What about trying a different dealer?

A car's service and warranty is only as good as the guy behind the service desk.

[regrus]

I concur that it is computer progamming that will enable the DRLs.
Here in Edmonton the local beemer dealer wants $200 and requires the vehicle to be kept at the dealership for 2 days to perform the programming.
Ok $200 is one thing, but a 2 day hold is a complete farce.

Got the Daytime running lights done at a Phoenix Az dealer for $45.00 and now BMW Canada wants them reprogramed again at a Canadian dealer for an additional $200.00.

I have trouble believing BMW Canada is so short sighted that they believe I will forget how they are now trying to ripping me off when its time for me to buy my next car. I won't forget.

[RSD]

^^^^
that doesnt make sense.
why reprogram something that works....

i sent out a couple emails to local bmw dealerships yesterday asking to outline the procedures to required before i get the recall letter

originally wanted a 335 coupe but now im thinking a used 05-06 m3 since they cant make you replace the guages on that.

i added in my email that a US dealership has already reprogrammed the cars electronics to turn on the factory DRLs and im still waiting for a reply

[Kamloops]

I concur that it is computer progamming that will enable the DRLs.
Here in Edmonton the local beemer dealer wants $200 and requires the vehicle to be kept at the dealership for 2 days to perform the programming.
Ok $200 is one thing, but a 2 day hold is a complete farce.

200 bucks frigging crooks, in the USA a dealer will do it for 45 bucks!

[Kamloops]

^^^^
that doesnt make sense.
why reprogram something that works....

i sent out a couple emails to local bmw dealerships yesterday asking to outline the procedures to required before i get the recall letter

originally wanted a 335 coupe but now im thinking a used 05-06 m3 since they cant make you replace the guages on that.

i added in my email that a US dealership has already reprogrammed the cars electronics to turn on the factory DRLs and im still waiting for a reply

I am not sure which models have idrive , but if your does the DRL can be done yourself with idrive its one of the options.

[michelb]

...
originally wanted a 335 coupe but now im thinking a used 05-06 m3 since they cant make you replace the guages on that.
...

What do you base this statement on? That's the whole point of BMW's change in policy: Before November, you might not have needed to do that but since the end of November, you have to get them to do whatever they tell you it needs - if they they'll you need 'CND seats, CND tires, CND radio, CND paint, etc), you CANNOT import the car without doing that and it has to be a Canadian BMW dealership that does all the work - doesn't matter if the DRL are already done; if it wasn't done by a Canadian BMW dealership, they will not pass the car unless you get them to do it again.

The only exception (you mention 05-06) is BMWs that are 15 years or older which can be imported freely.

[Marzipan]

Got the Daytime running lights done at a Phoenix Az dealer for $45.00 and now BMW Canada wants them reprogramed again at a Canadian dealer for an additional $200.00.

I have trouble believing BMW Canada is so short sighted that they believe I will forget how they are now trying to ripping me off when its time for me to buy my next car. I won't forget.

If any of you who are sore at BMW (and MB) want to get their policies changed for the benefit of future importers you might want to complain to head office in Germany. BMW GmbH might not know the implications of what BMW Canada is doing - and might be more interested in future sales rather than lucrative shop work in 2007. BMW Canada is probably shoring up 2007 revenues to show Germany a good sales office performance for 2007.

Fire off a praise-the-product, criticize-the-policy e-mail to Germany, copied to Canada.

[newid07]

For BMW, any chance to bring them in court with regard to procedures for issueing the recall letter. Why they have to change things like "Canadian Gauge" which is not required by law. And the changes only performed in BMW, w/o safty implication, means BMW is violating the competative regulation. Are these points valid? :mad:

[Cars4Canadians]

I just wonder where we can find those direct emails to the top guys of BMW/Mercedes in Germany. Going through their website the email get re-directed to BMW Canada for example lol

If any of you who are sore at BMW (and MB) want to get their policies changed for the benefit of future importers you might want to complain to head office in Germany. BMW GmbH might not know the implications of what BMW Canada is doing - and might be more interested in future sales rather than lucrative shop work in 2007. BMW Canada is probably shoring up 2007 revenues to show Germany a good sales office performance for 2007.

Fire off a praise-the-product, criticize-the-policy e-mail to Germany, copied to Canada.

[bionicbadger]

I will be taking the car to my mechanic for maintenance work, not the dealer. An oil change for the Tribeca shouldn't cost over $150. It's a Subaru, not a Porche. :lol: It will only be going back to the dealer for warranty work (hopefully none).

Huh? Go to Subaru.ca and look at vehicle maintenance specials.
Basic Oil & filter service $34.95 with OEM filter

Don't know where you got your $150 number from...

[YUL777]

No options added ("Welfare Recipients" special package..., tought I did not get my color for that price...)

I'm I doing OK?

I'll pick it up on Jan 02nd. The dealership is on Interstate 91, in Vermont, pretty close to the Quebec border.
They did match/beat bids from other dealers, and they do all the export paperwork including the US Customs visit 72hrs prior. Extremely please with them so far. (I will not say more; don't want to be perceived as a spammer...)

***Thanks a lot to everyone here for your valuable hints/recommendations!***
***Merci a tout les participants de ce forum, vous m'avez fait trouver un super de bon deal!***

(To moderator, please delete any parts you want, I only need to know if I made a good deal)

[EL820]

Huh? Go to Subaru.ca and look at vehicle maintenance specials.
Basic Oil & filter service $34.95 with OEM filter

Don't know where you got your $150 number from...

Someone had mentioned that it's expensive to maintain a Subaru...it cost $150-$180 for an oil for the Tribeca. I have no idea where that came from. I was simply pointing out that I will not be taking the vehicle for maintenance at that kind of price.

$35 for an oil change is reasonable, but the special only last until March 31. I don't know if I'll need an oil change by then, considering I'm still waiting for my vehicle.

**I just called Downtown Subaru, and was told they charge $29.95 for an oil change on most of Subaru vehicles...that's their REGULAR price.**

[Marzipan]

I just wonder where we can find those direct emails to the top guys of BMW/Mercedes in Germany. Going through their website the email get re-directed to BMW Canada for example lol

Here is the BMW Germany contacts page.
http://www.bmw.de/de/de/index_narrowband.html?content=http://www.bmw.de/de/de/home.html&gclid=CIKxnMurqJACFQ4cYAodOnBU3w

One e-mail address given there is kundenbetreuung@bmw.de

An e-mail message should not be forwarded to BMW Canada if it is already copied to them. A better e-mail contact would be a marketing director responsible for international operations.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Be sure you copy some members of the press. That will get their attention.

I listed a dozen email addresses earlier in the thread.

[postdotcom]

Toyota dealership glued my switch in the auto position. This is the signal flasher lever that had a 'DRL OFF' position when twisted fully. I wanted to go to the dealer to see what they would say about the car. The licence plate frame said 'Toyota of Hollywood'. Note, this was a 2007 bought in July when they were still selling to Cdn's. Didn't take long before the dealer's son was in the waiting area asking me questions about the car that was being registered for servicing. Had an interesting 10 minute discussion :) Paid $75 for the glue job but it was still less than CT's mod, plus I am now officially logged into Toyota's system. Kudos to the dealer as I was treated fairly even tho his price was $12k over USA price. I did call them for a quote before I left for Florida.

Florida dealer surprised me with the added state tax, he didn't advise me of this before when he had ample opportunity during several phone conversations. Quite shady and I was 'some' upset but the extra didn't deter me from the sale because his manager ate a few hundred and I still saved plenty.

In hindsight I would have done the same thing by glueing a small piece of plastic on the switch lever exterior so that it would achieve the same result. Could also be removed easily after if someone thought it was not needed. This would then make your car illegal. Not for me, so I'll just leave the glued lever in the 'AUTO' position. Lights are controlled by sensors on the dash.

All the CT inspector wants to see is the inability to turn off DRL's. Some have used tape to prevent the switch from turning and have passed the inspection.

If your setup is similar this may work for you ..... g'luck.

It was late evening and I left the light setup on Auto. Got the form2 stamped in less than 5 minutes. Find another CT, choose some time they would like to rush...

[t_garp]

Got the Daytime running lights done at a Phoenix Az dealer for $45.00 and now BMW Canada wants them reprogramed again at a Canadian dealer for an additional $200.00.

I have trouble believing BMW Canada is so short sighted that they believe I will forget how they are now trying to ripping me off when its time for me to buy my next car. I won't forget.

Same here...BMW is now officially off my shopping list. I just can't stomach how badly they treat their customers.

I have complained numerous times to Transport Canada, The competition bureau, anyone that will listen. I now have initiated a Freedom of information request to obtain copies of all correspondence between BMW and Transport Canada relating to the recent admissibility change. As well, I want copies of the documentation that initially stated that the cars were admissible. I am hoping for incriminating correspondence that I will share here, with the press and the Competition bureau.

I kept quiet before as I know that the shredders are being used at BMW Canada as we speak.

[Kamloops]

Here is the letter I wrote and sent off to a ton of people with only a couple of responses. I used another letter someone wrote here and edited it. I ahve had to canned responses so far. What a frigging joke!

I need some answers to this.


I am in the process of purchasing a BWM Z4 in the USA and importing it into Canada for my personal use. I have come up against a road block that seem ridiculous.

I would like to file a formal complaint on the practices of BMW Canada/ Transport Canada and the Registrar of Imported Vehicles .

My complaint does not relate to the high price of cars in Canada (although that's another story) but to the anti-competitive and collusive nature which BMW Canada/BMW USA and Transport Canada and the Registrar of Imported Vehicles have engaged in starting November 26, 2007. Prior to this date, if one were to purchase a BMW in the US one would be able to obtain a recall clearance letter or a vehicle inquiry report that would satisfy Transport Canada and the Registrar of Imported Vehicles for free from a Canadian or US BMW dealer. BMW Canada realizing it has been losing sales and has colluded with BMW USA and Transport Canada and the Registrar of Imported Vehicles for them to stop issuing the recall clearance letters.

Not only do they now require a $500 two-hour Canadian dealer VIN inspection before issuing a recall clearance letter, but as of the 26th, they require $350 for a letter of admissibility, before they will do a recall letter, and as of the 26th, a BMW dealer is the only one that can do the daytime running headlights (otherwise no recall letter). This adds minimum another $1100 to the cost of importing compared to what it costs for other cars.

I would not have to do this for any other make of car - only BMW

I have a dealer is the USA that will enable the daytime running lights and give me a Dealer Printout showing no outstanding recalls. The Registrar of Imported Vehicles accepts that Printout for any other makes and they did for BMW as well. Now I need for $350.00 to BMW this letter of admissibility before I can even get it across the border. The border agents are instructed to not let a BMW into Canada without this letter. What are the Border Agents now working for BMW!!!

All North American BMW dealers have been notified that they can not release printouts of vehicle history reports to owners. Even the computer systems used by the dealers in the USA and Canada have been modified to flash a large warning in RED to this effect when a dealer pulls up a internal dealer history report for printing. Before RIV told me I could go this route instead of a recall letter, but BMW must have caught on and somehow has made riv not allow this letter. How does BMW have such control over our laws.

These new requirements are not law in Canada yet Riv.ca and Transport Canada are acting like it is. And ONLY FOR BMW. This needs to be stopped. It is clear why it is been done, BMW does not wanting Canadians shopping for cars in the USA.

BMW Canada/BMW USA and Transport Canada and the Registrar of Imported Vehicles is clearly acting in a collusive manner as services that were once free only months ago are now levied with excessive fees to stem the ability of the consumer to exercise their freedoms and guaranteed under the competition act.

I call to ACT IMMEDIATELY as this is affecting thousands of Canadian consumers. Per a recent study by Scotia Bank, Imports of vehicles bought by Canadians in the United States hit a record of almost 25,000 ion October 2007, are on pace to reach another 22,000 to 23,000 in November and will likely hit an annual record when the results for all of 2007 are tallied.

This needs to be stopped. Who runs Transport Canada and RIV anyways. Is it BMW? Sure looks that way.

The problem with BMW is that they aren't happy nor supportive of importers. All these requirements have come up just in the last week. Please see the additions to RIV's site at http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/Section5_3.htm. These suddenly important requirements are totally baseless and cause redundancy of effort on several parts.

What's interesting is how this policy has been implemented shortly after BMW announced cash rebates on Canadian purchases. Give Canadians a cash rebate and throw up all kinds of deterrents to shopping in the US. It reeks of bad marketing and a knee jerk reaction to the swelling tide of Canadians rushing to the US for a much better deal on their BMW.

Had BMW been honoring their previous, completely satisfactory and expedient protocol of issuing internal dealer printouts through their US dealerships, a lot of importers would be a whole lot happier today. This is a money grab and paper shuffle motivated by fear and loss of sales.

And now we have even more proof that Transport Canada and RIV are kowtowing to the auto manufacturers whims. Tomorrow BMW may decide that you can't import a red vehicle without getting a stamp of approval...

I want to know if I have a vehicle history reports from a bmw dealer showing no recalls with that be ok. Or will the Canadian Border Agents stop me.

I want some answers.

Looking forward to you reply.

Kind Regards

Here is who I sent it to:


Lindsay.Duffield@bmwgroup.ca - Lindsay Duffield president and CEO of BMW Group Canada

robert.dexter@bmwgroup.ca - Rob Dexter, Product and Technology Specialist, BMW Group Canada

kevin.marcotte@bmwgroup.ca - Kevin Marcotte, Corporate Communications Manager, BMW Group Canada

stacy.morris@bmwgroup.ca - Stacy Morris, Corporate Communications, Business, Lifestyle and Marketing Specialist, BMW Group Canada


mintc@tc.gc.ca, CBSA-ASFC@canada.gc.ca, info@livingstonintl.com, RoadSafetyWebMail@tc.gc.ca, pm@pm.gc.ca, Dion.S@parl.gc.ca, Duceppe.G@parl.gc.ca, Layton.J@parl.gc.ca, sitecanadasite@canada.gc.ca, compbureau@cb-bc.gc.ca, Hinton.B@parl.gc.ca, info@riv.ca, ctvglobemediacommunications@ctvglobemedia.com, davisda@tc.gc.ca, jcato@globeandmail.com, consumer.information@ic.gc.ca, helps@pulse24.com,

[ShopAlong]

I am just as angry as anyone else regarding the protectionist policy invoked by BMW. They just don't seem to realize that the move will infact not "protect" their sales in Canada in that the price penalty applied may not result in any of you purchasing a BMW from one of the Canadian dealers. I have driven their vehicles exclusively for almost 30 years and have basically had enough of their attitude towards their customers. Please do as I have done make your feelings known to their VP of Marketing in Canada, and or, make the people in Germany aware as well. There was essentially no feedback to my comments from customer service here, I also requested my name to be removed from the distribution list as I don't want to read the drivel on how they have done eveything possible to derive a good deal for the customer in light of the strong dollar. They have very conveniently forgotten the long string of healthy price increases of the 80's and 90's based solely on the demise of the Canadian dollar, an adjustment of the MSRP is long overdue to recognise the rise of the dollar.

A courteous e-mail, or a phone call may not result in any changes, but a flood a comments regarding their policy and its negative effect on possible customers may be noticed. The penalty applied may be enough to deter a possible new importer, surely the dealers out there would be quite happy to accept the service dollars involved over your ownership period - now they won't even get that. I was not a potential importer of a US origin BMW, but when my current car is ready to go I won't be buying one in Canada no matter how much I like the product. Put your e-mail, or telephone skills in use - tell the people at BMW, not just those of us on the Forum........

[starR]

I'm quite put off on BMW after reading this...
I was actually conisdering bringing over a used M3 this spring, but now am quite tuned off after seeing these dirty tactics they are invoking on Canadian customers.

Do these manufactures not see the long term ramifications of their actions?? I mean given these new 'rules' i will probably NOT import a BMW from the USA and i will definitely NOT ever buy a BMW in Canada from a BMW dealer knowing that just south of me, i can buy an identical car for thousands less.

As consumers and Canadian, we need to make even more noise to let these manufactures know we aren't willing to put up with this. I am open on all ideas to get our opinions heard. I've already made my opinion know to Honda Canada/USA know by various emails/calls but in the end i know its falling on deaf ears. THE CONSUMER NEEDS TO FIGHT BACK!

[DrXenon]

http://www.xe.com/

xe.com is a couple of guys in an office park in Newmarket (they don't even have a proper Toronto office). If you give them your money, it is is not protected by the Canadian Deposit Insurance Corporation like it would be at a bank. If they go under (and there's little evidence they have anything more than a website and a currency data feed) while you're in the week or two-week waiting period, you're hosed and you'll be out $25k.

Something to consider. I recommend a proper, sizeable forex firm with a track record like http://www.globexfx.com/content.php?id=1

[Strath]

I concur that it is computer progamming that will enable the DRLs.
Here in Edmonton the local beemer dealer wants $200 and requires the vehicle to be kept at the dealership for 2 days to perform the programming.
Ok $200 is one thing, but a 2 day hold is a complete farce.

BMW is not the only manufacturer that is implementing these policies. I have included excerpts below from an e-mail I received from the local Edmonton Volvo dealer that I have been negotiating with on an XC90. These are a couple of his responses when I mentioned that I was exploring the option of purchasing in the US.

...from Jan 2nd 2008 all imported Volvo's will have to be inspected at a Volvo Dealership to be eligible for registration in Canada the fee for this is going to be $500 and the approx wait time 4-6 weeks by the time we get the appropriate papers from the US

...recent US cars that have been through our workshop have needed Speedo changes, daytime running lights and various other software downloads to comply with Canadian spec the average cost being $2600.

[Monsieurmaggot]

xe.com is a couple of guys in an office park in Newmarket (they don't even have a proper Toronto office). If you give them your money, it is is not protected by the Canadian Deposit Insurance Corporation like it would be at a bank. If they go under (and there's little evidence they have anything more than a website and a currency data feed) while you're in the week or two-week waiting period, you're hosed and you'll be out $25k.

Something to consider. I recommend a proper, sizeable forex firm with a track record like http://www.globexfx.com/content.php?id=1

Clearly you work for their competition. XE never has your money. You transfer from YOUR bank account back into YOUR own foreign currency account which are with the large institutions.

The fact that they're based in Newmarket is of no consequence. Last I checked, there are THOUSANDS of companies doing business north of Steeles. Wal-Mart (the largest company on the planet) has their Canadian division in Mississauga of all places. Microsoft Canada is out that way too. Most of the petroleum companies are out west. RIM is based in Woodstock for God's sake. I suspect they're about to file for bankruptcy.

XEtrade is in alliance with Custom House Currency Exchange. Established in 1992, Custom House is North America's first true discount foreign exchange brokerage. Since then, they have grown to become one of the world's largest, responsible for over fifteen billion dollars in annual transactions.

[Ventrick]

XE has also been around for quite some time. I took a UofT course on Entreprenerial skills for internet consultants back in 2000 and the instructor was one of the founders of Xe.

xe.com is a couple of guys in an office park in Newmarket (they don't even have a proper Toronto office). If you give them your money, it is is not protected by the Canadian Deposit Insurance Corporation like it would be at a bank. If they go under (and there's little evidence they have anything more than a website and a currency data feed) while you're in the week or two-week waiting period, you're hosed and you'll be out $25k.

Something to consider. I recommend a proper, sizeable forex firm with a track record like http://www.globexfx.com/content.php?id=1

[crasher]

xe.com is a couple of guys in an office park in Newmarket (they don't even have a proper Toronto office). If you give them your money, it is is not protected by the Canadian Deposit Insurance Corporation like it would be at a bank. If they go under (and there's little evidence they have anything more than a website and a currency data feed) while you're in the week or two-week waiting period, you're hosed and you'll be out $25k.

Something to consider. I recommend a proper, sizeable forex firm with a track record like http://www.globexfx.com/content.php?id=1

What are you on? XE is based in Vancouver with an office in Newmarket.They do take longer time, but are very competetive.

[BeeBee]

Well, finally had all my paperworks done and just have to put the plates on my bronze 2008 Outback 3.0R. Had some bumps during the importing process, but I am very pleased with my new car. :D :D

Today while I was at Canadian Tire, I had to restrain myself from laughing when the service guy was telling really seriously that I need a "Safety check" for $74 in order to be able to get my plates. :lol: :lol:

Thanks to everyone that helped me with the import process.
IT IS REALLY EASY TO IMPORT!!!

[Marzipan]

I am just as angry as anyone else regarding the protectionist policy invoked by BMW. They just don't seem to realize that the move will infact not "protect" their sales in Canada in that the price penalty applied may not result in any of you purchasing a BMW from one of the Canadian dealers. I have driven their vehicles exclusively for almost 30 years and have basically had enough of their attitude towards their customers. Please do as I have done make your feelings known to their VP of Marketing in Canada, and or, make the people in Germany aware as well. There was essentially no feedback to my comments from customer service here, I also requested my name to be removed from the distribution list as I don't want to read the drivel on how they have done eveything possible to derive a good deal for the customer in light of the strong dollar. They have very conveniently forgotten the long string of healthy price increases of the 80's and 90's based solely on the demise of the Canadian dollar, an adjustment of the MSRP is long overdue to recognise the rise of the dollar.

A courteous e-mail, or a phone call may not result in any changes, but a flood a comments regarding their policy and its negative effect on possible customers may be noticed. The penalty applied may be enough to deter a possible new importer, surely the dealers out there would be quite happy to accept the service dollars involved over your ownership period - now they won't even get that. I was not a potential importer of a US origin BMW, but when my current car is ready to go I won't be buying one in Canada no matter how much I like the product. Put your e-mail, or telephone skills in use - tell the people at BMW, not just those of us on the Forum........

BMW should be easy to deal with. They are vulnerable to public criticism of their brand. Adverse publicity can sully that brand.

Polite, non-accusatory e-mails to BMW Canada, Germany and a media outlet is the way to go. One or two lines of text is all you need write.

Now, who has a list of e-mail addresses?

[DrXenon]

Clearly you work for their competition.

Clearly, you have no clue about business law. Your contract will be with XE.com (WTF does that mean, anyway), not Customs House. You will have no comeback to Customs House, only XE.com, which, again, is a hole in the wall in an office park that's nowhere near reputable firms on Bay Street.

Take your chances if you want, but you're better off dealing directly with your established forex house of choice. Customs House is fine. Globex is fine. XE.com represents a hell of a risk. You can't even look at their financial statements to reassure yourself that they have sizeable cash flow.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Clearly, you have no clue about business law. Your contract will be with XE.com (WTF does that mean, anyway), not Customs House. You will have no comeback to Customs House, only XE.com, which, again, is a hole in the wall in an office park that's nowhere near reputable firms on Bay Street.

Take your chances if you want, but you're better off dealing directly with your established forex house of choice. Customs House is fine. Globex is fine. XE.com represents a hell of a risk. You can't even look at their financial statements to reassure yourself that they have sizeable cash flow.

The sad part is I don't have a contract with either XE.com or XEtrade. I have an account with them that I use to transfer money. I use them for sizeable transactions and never had any suspicion or hesitation in using them. Their rates are well below the bank spread and depending on the amount of your account, you'll be paying considerably less than a cent/1.00 spread.

Curious to know what rate your firm would give RFDers.

[ShopAlong]

The interesting thing in all of this discussion on new vehicle pricing in Canada is that as a purchasing group we hold all of the power in the sales results for Canadian dealers. Please tell your friends, family, and any other contacts to stay out of the dealerships, and STOP BUYING NEW CARS! until the manufacturers react and change prices. A contact of mine who has an interest in a large Toronto dealer said that with the inventory that they hold on the lot, (and pay interest on) that if sales were to dry up for the next three months they would probably be forced into bankruptcy. I am not by any means saying that the dealers need to be punished (they are not the source of the problem) but the message needs to be placed in the laps of the manufacturers, how else can this be done?


STOP BUYING - the prices will change!!!


I'd rather buy in Canada - just give me a price reflective of the current exchange rate, I'll be there.!!!!!!!!

[shopper-X]

...RIM is based in Woodstock for God's sake. I suspect they're about to file for bankruptcy.
...

RIM is based out of Waterloo not Woodstock.
http://www.rim.net/company/contact/index.shtml

Head Office
Research In Motion
295 Phillip Street
Waterloo, Ontario
Canada N2L 3W8

tel: (519) 888-7465
fax: (519) 888-7884
map and directions (http://www.rim.net/company/maps/index.shtml)

[djs5916]

Just a thought that was suggested by someone I was speaking to recently.

Maybe Jim Pattison, who seems to have Toyota dealerships everywhere has a rather significant interest in making it difficult for Canadians to purchase from the US. No doubt billionaires like Pattison are extremely generous in the political arena as well and can exert a certain influence on the process. It's a pity if our so-called "business leaders" can influence a political process much more than their one-vote should allow.

Certainly "cui bono" ("who benefits") - a useful forensic term which can be readily applied in our analysis of the current situation. It might be worthwhile for some investigative inquiry to consider these possibilities. Certainly our democratic processes need to be significantly cleaned up from the influences of the wealthy, otherwise we're really not a great deal further ahead than our ancestors who only dreamed of "democracy".

Just my 21.5 cents worth...

[Monsieurmaggot]

RIM is based out of Waterloo not Woodstock.
http://www.rim.net/company/contact/index.shtml

By golly you're right. I was going off memory which is clearly failiing me.

[accorder]

I'm quite put off on BMW after reading this...
I was actually conisdering bringing over a used M3 this spring, but now am quite tuned off after seeing these dirty tactics they are invoking on Canadian customers.

Do these manufactures not see the long term ramifications of their actions?? I mean given these new 'rules' i will probably NOT import a BMW from the USA and i will definitely NOT ever buy a BMW in Canada from a BMW dealer knowing that just south of me, i can buy an identical car for thousands less.

As consumers and Canadian, we need to make even more noise to let these manufactures know we aren't willing to put up with this. I am open on all ideas to get our opinions heard. I've already made my opinion know to Honda Canada/USA know by various emails/calls but in the end i know its falling on deaf ears. THE CONSUMER NEEDS TO FIGHT BACK!

I collected some of posts regarding BMW screwing Canadians and published them at http://ataleoftwoprices.com/forum/forums/t/103.aspx. we may send this link to BMW headoffice in Germany so that they can understand our frustrations better. If you have any concerns, please let me know (PM).

[DrXenon]

What are you on? XE is based in Vancouver with an office in Newmarket.They do take longer time, but are very competetive.

I can find no evidence of a Vancouver office on the xe.com web site. The proprietors also prefer to be anonymous - there is no information about them on their site that I can find.

Like I said, take your chances if you want. Just realize that once you engage them they can withdraw funds at will from your account and you have no guarantee that the corresponding number of US dollars will be put back. You will not be protected by the CDIC.

I bet the UofT course was a continuing education one. They also have a course in astrology last time I looked.

[zircon]

I can find no evidence of a Vancouver office on the xe.com web site. The proprietors also prefer to be anonymous - there is no information about them on their site that I can find.

Like I said, take your chances if you want. Just realize that once you engage them they can withdraw funds at will from your account and you have no guarantee that the corresponding number of US dollars will be put back. You will not be protected by the CDIC.

I bet the UofT course was a continuing education one. They also have a course in astrology last time I looked.

What are you talking about??? I used these guys when I imported a Lexus to wire $ to the USA dealer. I conducted the transaction on line, found out what my bill would be (their exchange rate is much better than a bank's), then I wired them $ to pay my bill. They never had access to my account, as the money is delivered by your bank. They were very helpful and I will use them in future. It takes about a week to establish your account - pain in the butt - but then it is free sailing. They are a legit operation. If you have info otherwise, you should disclose the facts. BTW, their bank was based somewhere in BC (Victoria, I think, I wired my money to).

[boci]

What are you talking about??? I used these guys when I imported a Lexus to wire $ to the USA dealer. I conducted the transaction on line, found out what my bill would be (their exchange rate is much better than a bank's), then I wired them $ to pay my bill. They never had access to my account, as the money is delivered by your bank. They were very helpful and I will use them in future. It takes about a week to establish your account - pain in the butt - but then it is free sailing. They are a legit operation. If you have info otherwise, you should disclose the facts. BTW, their bank was based somewhere in BC (Victoria, I think, I wired my money to).

Did anyone else use XE, and what was your experience?

[BeeBee]

Did anyone else use XE, and what was your experience?

For me it just took too long to get the account setup... Then I lost the password and had to start again. I used TD instead.

[Marzipan]

What are you talking about??? I used these guys when I imported a Lexus to wire $ to the USA dealer. I conducted the transaction on line, found out what my bill would be (their exchange rate is much better than a bank's), then I wired them $ to pay my bill. They never had access to my account, as the money is delivered by your bank. They were very helpful and I will use them in future. It takes about a week to establish your account - pain in the butt - but then it is free sailing. They are a legit operation. If you have info otherwise, you should disclose the facts. BTW, their bank was based somewhere in BC (Victoria, I think, I wired my money to).

I'm reminded of Portus Alternative Asset Management ("Portus"). They were a legitimate business too until one day the founders went missing along with clients' money. One of the pair charged with fraud was found living comfortably in Israel - possibly driving a BMW. Now that he is back in Canada it will still be a long time before he faces a Judge. As for the missing money - well, eventually it will be so many cents on the dollar - perhaps enough to import a Pontiac Wave or an Aveo.

[DrXenon]

They never had access to my account, as the money is delivered by your bank.

OK, it seems they don't have access to your bank account. But there is significant counterparty risk here. If you're risk-tolerant enough that you think saving a couple hundred on a $25000 purchase is worth it, more power to you.

[elkman52]

We bought a new 4Runner in California. Got a great deal but didn't want to pay the sales tax so we decided to have it trucked. We hired Dash Auto Transporters and they took a month before delivery to Montana! They extorted an extra $200. on top of the original quote before someone finally picked it up! We engaged someone in Montana as a buyer, figuring Montana had no State Sales Tax. We had planned to have temp plates on which cost $7.00. But upon faxing MSO & Vehicle export sheet. We found out that we have to suppy US Customs with Certificate of Title which costs approx $500.00 to obtain from the DMV in Montana, which takes them 4-8 week to produce. Is there a way around this? Regardless of all the hassles we'll still end up saving 12-13,000.00 off the Calgary dealer price.That is the saving grace.

[rf134a]

Huh? Go to Subaru.ca and look at vehicle maintenance specials.
Basic Oil & filter service $34.95 with OEM filter

Don't know where you got your $150 number from...

Someone had mentioned that it's expensive to maintain a Subaru...it cost $150-$180 for an oil for the Tribeca. I have no idea where that came from. I was simply pointing out that I will not be taking the vehicle for maintenance at that kind of price.

$35 for an oil change is reasonable, but the special only last until March 31. I don't know if I'll need an oil change by then, considering I'm still waiting for my vehicle.

**I just called Downtown Subaru, and was told they charge $29.95 for an oil change on most of Subaru vehicles...that's their REGULAR price.**

I got the $150-$180 figure from West Side Subaru in Edmonton. I've never seen an oil change that expensive except for BMW/MB/Porsche.

I was also at the Hyundai dealership (Devonian Motors), located attached to the Subaru dealership. It seems like it's more important for the salesmen to hit on the receptionist than it is to talk to a customer. :| :rolleyes: Good work boys! (Rick or whatever your name is). I know Alberta is full of oil money right now, but but hitting on the receptionist while ignoring a customer sitting and playing around in your cars for a half hour isn't going to sell a $37,000 Santa Fe. I guess you don't need the commission that badly. :razz:

[J233]

BMW is not the only manufacturer that is implementing these policies. I have included excerpts below from an e-mail I received from the local Edmonton Volvo dealer that I have been negotiating with on an XC90. These are a couple of his responses when I mentioned that I was exploring the option of purchasing in the US.

...from Jan 2nd 2008 all imported Volvo's will have to be inspected at a Volvo Dealership to be eligible for registration in Canada the fee for this is going to be $500 and the approx wait time 4-6 weeks by the time we get the appropriate papers from the US

...recent US cars that have been through our workshop have needed Speedo changes, daytime running lights and various other software downloads to comply with Canadian spec the average cost being $2600.

WOW ! $2600 + 500 for inspection.Hm....I suddenly feel better about my $250.00 expense for GM clearance letter...

[ggobble]

Bringing a 2007 Highlander across this week. Anything I need to know. I had the dealer send the package to the broder with the recall letter and the sales info. Have insurance in place? Am I missing anything? DRL are standard? Anything else I need to know?

[zircon]

If people are concerned about xe.com (I am not), then use one of the other currency converters. Most will save you hundreds vs. the banks. I saved about 500. I also moved money from my bank acct to an Ing Direct acct. I bought US cash from them over the past 2 months. I will have to transfer it back to my bank, but it is all is done electronically quite easily. Ing doesn't come near xe.com, but it is better than the banks.

I was considering a Legacy GT limited, but probably won't do it. Also considering an Infiniti G35, beautiful car, but gas mileage can be low (12mpg) in city. I wish they had a diesel option or hybrid, as I would preing for it.

CBC has a story tonight of a guy who bought a hybrid camry in the USA new, but was denied the Transport Canada rebate because it only applies to Can purchased cars. Same thing happened to the hybrid Lexus I brought over. They used a flimsy excuse that they cannot track the USA vehicle to see if it was new (so what!). So another BS policy of TC that screws Canadians. Interstingly, they will tax you extra if you bring in a fuel guzzler, but not give rebates on hybrids.

[james-007]

Just a thought that was suggested by someone I was speaking to recently.

Maybe Jim Pattison, who seems to have Toyota dealerships everywhere has a rather significant interest in making it difficult for Canadians to purchase from the US. No doubt billionaires like Pattison are extremely generous in the political arena as well and can exert a certain influence on the process. It's a pity if our so-called "business leaders" can influence a political process much more than their one-vote should allow.

Certainly "cui bono" ("who benefits") - a useful forensic term which can be readily applied in our analysis of the current situation. It might be worthwhile for some investigative inquiry to consider these possibilities. Certainly our democratic processes need to be significantly cleaned up from the influences of the wealthy, otherwise we're really not a great deal further ahead than our ancestors who only dreamed of "democracy".

Just my 21.5 cents worth...

Yesterday I called 2 of Jim Pattison's dealerships regarding DRL, I was told they do not work on imported (US) vehicles. That's just ignorant, if I lived in Vancouver this would be even more reasons not to do any business there.

[james-007]

For me it just took too long to get the account setup... Then I lost the password and had to start again. I used TD instead.

Yes it did take little bit long to setup the account because they had to verify my bank account. So far I've used them twice, I myself wouldn't want to go any other way. I placed a bit on what exchange rate I was willing to pay 2 days later the were funds transferred to the dealer.

[terrencel]

I send an email to BMW Canada as suggested by one of the poster.
Here is a reply from them:
What do u guys think? She said we are misleading!!!

Thanks for your note. With the web, its easy to post such misleading and emotional rants as you've attache, and we don't have time to correct them all. Thanks for bringing this to our attention.

I can clear up the misinformation quickly. The DRL must be activated per Canadian regulations and switching via the software alone does not meet the regs, and can cause other waranty faults. We were incurring escalating warranty costs due to improper modification, which was not sustainable.

The current process ensures that anyone looking to import a vehicle into the country understands the timing and costs involved so they can make an informed decision. Our process is not dissimilar from other manufacturers. As one of the few car companies that honours the full warranty through the regular warranty system on US cars, the process protects the customer, our retailers and BMW. The costs cover our adminiistrative costs and are quite reasonable given the value of the vehicles and warranty obligations. We could have just decided not to honour the warranty on these vehicles, but that would not have been very customer friendly. So while the process does take some time and has some cost, it should result in a car that a customer can be confident meets Canadian regulations and is fully warrantable by us.

The price gap between the US and Canada will go up and down with exchange rate, and we don't price to that. But there has never been a better time to buy a BMW in Canada from your local Cdn retailer.

Thanks again for writing.

Lindsay

[Danno2005]

Yesterday I called 2 of Jim Pattison's dealerships regarding DRL, I was told they do not work on imported (US) vehicles. That's just ignorant, if I lived in Vancouver this would be even more reasons not to do any business there.

It would be great if we could catch them selling used US vehicles.
:cheesygri

[DrXenon]

The DRL must be activated per Canadian regulations and switching via the software alone does not meet the regs, and can cause other waranty faults. We were incurring escalating warranty costs due to improper modification, which was not sustainable.


I think this person misunderstands the regs. The relevant reg is CMVSS 108 sections 54-60. There is nothing in there that prohibits software control. He may be objecting to the fact that the user can shut them off using the iDrive system, but the regulation says only that the vehicle must be _supplied_ with the DRLs (the owner can shut them off later if s/he wants).

He also seems to be saying that if you use the iDrive system as supplied by BMW GmbH, it can cause the car to malfunction, leading to a warranty claim!

[obelix]

Here is my problem. Prior to my BMW purchase I reviewed the RIV site and followed all the rules to a T.

I purchased my car on November 23rd; a used off lease 2003 BMW Z4 in Arizona from a financial arm of BMW USA.

But before the 72 hour waiting period had expired and without any notice on November 26th the RIV site was revised and I am now required to supply BMW Canada with my serial number and pay fee's for services that were not required prior to the change on November 26th.

BMW now wants me to pay a Canadian dealer to turn on the daytime running lights and also probably replace the speedometer cluster (they won't tell me until I pay the fee) before they will provide the required clearance letter.

BMW has further blocked BMW USA dealers from providing me with the clearance letter even thought I already have had the daytime lights programed by a BMW dealer in the USA. They now say that's not good enough and the work must be done by a Canadian dealer at much higher cost.

On phoning the RIV they advise they don't require the change out of the speedo cluster nor do they care who turns on the daytime running lights.

RIV has also advised me that they had an agreement with BMW Canada that BMW would provide clearance letters for all vehicles purchased piror to the November 26th change. Well not so states BMW Canada. BMW has advised me they will only supply clearance letters to vehicles purchased in the USA piror to November 26th but already in Canada on November 26th. What B.S as I could not have had my car in as I was required to wait for the 72 hour notice to pass.

RIV advises my only recourse is to contact my PM. I've decided to leave the car in storage in the USA as I don't need it until spring. If I were to bring the car in now my 45 days to get the car certified and inspected would start.

If i have to l'll pay the fee's, but I'll be suing BMW Canada in small debts court for the additional monies it's cost me. We will let a judge decided who is right.
What would you guys do?


I was in a similar situation, bought my 2006 325i on November 21.

After many phone calls and emails, my car was imported on this past Thursday, got the Form 1 at Lewiston crossing, went to RIV and got Form 2, and got my license plate today.

I did not have to pay for the $350 admissibility letter, nor did I pay for the clearance letter or any other modifications.

What I have learned from the process include:

1) I went to the RIV office, I found everyone I have seen while I was waiting there in the RIV office to be very professional, efficient, helpful and courteous. RIV is a contractor of Transport Canada, and appears to be part of the Livingston group. The people at RIV (the so-called "Recall specialists") are fully aware that BMW changed the rule on November 26. They would accept a dealer printout, however, the printout is not a printout as stated on RIV's website, i.e. a printout saying "there is no outstanding recall", with VIN, and a dealer stamp. Rather, for BMW, and this was apparently the case before November 26, a so-called "vehicle history report" or a "warranty ... something" was required. I believe the BMW dealers in US stopped giving out these documents after November 26, 2007. These are two different documents, anyone of these was apparently sufficient for releasing the From 2. You can call the RIV to get the correct names of the acceptable documents from a US dealer.

2) My car was still under US warranty and sill had a US maintenance program. I had the technician at a US dealership did an oil change, a micro filter change, topped up all the possible liquids, and turned on the DRL and reprogrammed the instruments (temperature, distance etc.) to metric. All free of charge.

3) BMW Canada now apparently requires following modifications, in addition to the $350 admissibility letter, and the $500 for the recall clearance letter (the numbers are from a local dealer, YMMV):

update software: for E60, E61, E63-E66, E70, E90-E93 models (two hours of labour charge);

replace cluster: $1451 for E60, E61, E63 and E64; $1751 for E65, E66; $1600 for E70; $1251 for E90-E93;

replace heater c/u for E60, E61, E63 and E64: $1103;

conversion coding for DRL: for E46, E53, E60, E61, E63-E66, E70, and E90-E93 (one hour labour charge); for E83, E85, E86 (two hours labour charge);

verifying DRL: one hour labour charge for E46, E53, E83, E85 and E86

These charges are, clearly, rip-off.

4) BMW Canada apparently would issue a free letter of admissibility if you can prove that the purchase was completed before Nov. 26, 2007. At least they gave me one.

[freewheel]

It would be great if we could catch them selling used US vehicles.
:cheesygri

I found this interesting. When I was researching the purchase of my Z4 earlier this year I ran several carfax checks. When you run a carfax check there are often a selection of vehicles listed that may be of interest to you. I ran checks on several of these Z4s. Much to my amazement these were American Z4s listed as being owned by BMW Canada! So BMW Canada is obviously bringing American cars north, but I don't know what they do with them once they get here. They wouldn't be selling these American cars so ill suited to the Canadian climate would they?

I love my car, it was a dream of mine for a long time and I wouldn't have been able to afford it at Canadian prices. I'm not sure what BMW hoped to accomplish by these tactics, but I will NEVER buy or lease a car from BMW Canada in my life and I will spread the word as far as I can.

As Lindsay Duffield says, "With the web, its easy to post such misleading and emotional rants as you've attached, and we don't have time to correct them all"

Don't worry Lindsay we'll make the corrections and the web is a wonderful thing!!!

[Cars4Canadians]

I am starting to really hate some of these car manufaturers, and our government for being such pussies, and not dealing with these a-holes.


I was in a similar situation, bought my 2006 325i on November 21.

After many phone calls and emails, my car was imported on this past Thursday, got the Form 1 at Lewiston crossing, went to RIV and got Form 2, and got my license plate today.

I did not have to pay for the $350 admissibility letter, nor did I pay for the clearance letter or any other modifications.

What I have learned from the process include:

1) I went to the RIV office, I found everyone I have seen while I was waiting there in the RIV office to be very professional, efficient, helpful and courteous. RIV is a contractor of Transport Canada, and appears to be part of the Livingston group. The people at RIV (the so-called "Recall specialists") are fully aware that BMW changed the rule on November 26. They would accept a dealer printout, however, the printout is not a printout as stated on RIV's website, i.e. a printout saying "there is no outstanding recall", with VIN, and a dealer stamp. Rather, for BMW, and this was apparently the case before November 26, a so-called "vehicle history report" or a "warranty ... something" was required. I believe the BMW dealers in US stopped giving out these documents after November 26, 2007. These are two different documents, anyone of these was apparently sufficient for releasing the From 2. You can call the RIV to get the correct names of the acceptable documents from a US dealer.

2) My car was still under US warranty and sill had a US maintenance program. I had the technician at a US dealership did an oil change, a micro filter change, topped up all the possible liquids, and turned on the DRL and reprogrammed the instruments (temperature, distance etc.) to metric. All free of charge.

3) BMW Canada now apparently requires following modifications, in addition to the $350 admissibility letter, and the $500 for the recall clearance letter (the numbers are from a local dealer, YMMV):

update software: for E60, E61, E63-E66, E70, E90-E93 models (two hours of labour charge);

replace cluster: $1451 for E60, E61, E63 and E64; $1751 for E65, E66; $1600 for E70; $1251 for E90-E93;

replace heater c/u for E60, E61, E63 and E64: $1103;

conversion coding for DRL: for E46, E53, E60, E61, E63-E66, E70, and E90-E93 (one hour labour charge); for E83, E85, E86 (two hours labour charge);

verifying DRL: one hour labour charge for E46, E53, E83, E85 and E86

These charges are, clearly, rip-off.

4) BMW Canada apparently would issue a free letter of admissibility if you can prove that the purchase was completed before Nov. 26, 2007. At least they gave me one.

[oscartoffee]

Being an employee at the dealership level and dealing with people who are trying to import vehicles almost on a daily basis i've followed this thread with interest. I haven't made it through all 700 odd pages but maybe i can shed some light on a few issues.

I work for one of the Big 3 and have seen emails sent to US dealers from corporate HQ strictly banning the sale of "new" vehicles to individuals or brokers who intend on directly importing them into Canada. the repurcussions are very severe for dealerships that break these rules ranging from huge fines ( one particular store had to pay somewhere in the neighborhood $500,000) to having their dealer licence revoked.
In regards to clearance letters my store recently tripled the price to over $200 and on top of that we will not provide them period for any vehicle 2007 or newer. I personally don't have a problem with it now. I used to cringe waiting for the response when someone would ask for one and i had to tell them it was 75 bucks now i get a kick out of it.... this business will make you jaded very fast.

The last thing is regarding Warranty. The company i work for will not perform any warranty work on vehicels imported from the states. This is not a mandate from the corporation it's simply my dealerships position and i can guarantee you it is very legal, we will simply refuse to work on your vehicle. The reasoning behind this is that we have our own customers to service not taking into account customers from other local dealers who help employ directly and indirectly 1000's of people by purchasing their vehicles locally.
This practice is already common place up north where people who purchased their vehicles in the lower mainland can't get warranty work done because the dealerships are more concerned with their own customers.
All in all be careful when buying a vehicle down south you may save on the initial purchase but you will most likely be in for a whole world of headaches in the future with the hard line Candian subsidiaries are taking.

[Lost Horizon]

I found this interesting. When I was researching the purchase of my Z4 earlier this year I ran several carfax checks. When you run a carfax check there are often a selection of vehicles listed that may be of interest to you. I ran checks on several of these Z4s. Much to my amazement these were American Z4s listed as being owned by BMW Canada! So BMW Canada is obviously bringing American cars north, but I don't know what they do with them once they get here. They wouldn't be selling these American cars so ill suited to the Canadian climate would they?

I love my car, it was a dream of mine for a long time and I wouldn't have been able to afford it at Canadian prices. I'm not sure what BMW hoped to accomplish by these tactics, but I will NEVER buy or lease a car from BMW Canada in my life and I will spread the word as far as I can.

As Lindsay Duffield says, "With the web, its easy to post such misleading and emotional rants as you've attached, and we don't have time to correct them all"

Don't worry Lindsay we'll make the corrections and the web is a wonderful thing!!!

The full BMW CA HQ compliment are up there on Titanic's Deck 6 in wide open Party mode, no time to bother with the peon cries down there on deck 2 nor to the scraping-along-the-hull-grinding-noise minor distraction.. More champaign Garcon! Play on, o invincible Titanic Band!.. we'll be in Nirvana New York in a few hours.. we are BMW.ca ... the very definition of modern Success!! Please don't speak or look at me directly, you $#@% 3rd Class peon.. >:( (Peon leaves, without getting thru to the BMWaterboarding Party, and dons a life jacket as the band plays on)..

Hmm.. how far is it from Deck 6 to the water.. 3 years?

[cinqhoda]

The full BMW CA HQ compliment are up there on Titanic's Deck 6 in wide open Party mode, no time to bother with the peon cries down there on deck 2 nor to the scraping-along-the-hull-grinding-noise minor distraction.. More champaign Garcon! Play on, o invincible Titanic Band!.. we'll be in Nirvana New York in a few hours.. we are BMW.ca ... the very definition of modern Success!! Please don't speak or look at me directly, you $#@% 3rd Class peon.. >:( (Peon leaves, without getting thru to the BMWaterboarding Party, and dons a life jacket as the band plays on)..

Hmm.. how far is it from Deck 6 to the water.. 3 years?

Hmm...Leo & Lindsay. Correct me if I am wrong but Leo drowned in the end. Lets hope that life imitates art.:D

[joe friday]

Being an employee at the dealership level and dealing with people who are trying to import vehicles almost on a daily basis i've followed this thread with interest. I haven't made it through all 700 odd pages but maybe i can shed some light on a few issues.

I work for one of the Big 3 and have seen emails sent to US dealers from corporate HQ strictly banning the sale of "new" vehicles to individuals or brokers who intend on directly importing them into Canada. the repurcussions are very severe for dealerships that break these rules ranging from huge fines ( one particular store had to pay somewhere in the neighborhood $500,000) to having their dealer licence revoked.
In regards to clearance letters my store recently tripled the price to over $200 and on top of that we will not provide them period for any vehicle 2007 or newer. I personally don't have a problem with it now. I used to cringe waiting for the response when someone would ask for one and i had to tell them it was 75 bucks now i get a kick out of it.... this business will make you jaded very fast.

The last thing is regarding Warranty. The company i work for will not perform any warranty work on vehicels imported from the states. This is not a mandate from the corporation it's simply my dealerships position and i can guarantee you it is very legal, we will simply refuse to work on your vehicle. The reasoning behind this is that we have our own customers to service not taking into account customers from other local dealers who help employ directly and indirectly 1000's of people by purchasing their vehicles locally.
This practice is already common place up north where people who purchased their vehicles in the lower mainland can't get warranty work done because the dealerships are more concerned with their own customers.
All in all be careful when buying a vehicle down south you may save on the initial purchase but you will most likely be in for a whole world of headaches in the future with the hard line Candian subsidiaries are taking.

So you want to wage war with your potential customers? You think that's smart?

Your arrogance is astounding.

[raskal]

Being an employee at the dealership level and dealing with people who are trying to import vehicles almost on a daily basis i've followed this thread with interest. I haven't made it through all 700 odd pages but maybe i can shed some light on a few issues.
blah blah blah

While I didn't read through your entire statement, I do find you have huge balls and will soon be unemployed so you can play with them.

you gotta be a troll

but others will disagree, so I'll sit back and watch http://i.slickdeals.net/images/smilies2/popcorn.gif

[iluvtofish]

Being an employee at the dealership level and dealing with people who are trying to import vehicles almost on a daily basis i've followed this thread with interest. I haven't made it through all 700 odd pages but maybe i can shed some light on a few issues.

I work for one of the Big 3 and have seen emails sent to US dealers from corporate HQ strictly banning the sale of "new" vehicles to individuals or brokers who intend on directly importing them into Canada. the repurcussions are very severe for dealerships that break these rules ranging from huge fines ( one particular store had to pay somewhere in the neighborhood $500,000) to having their dealer licence revoked.
In regards to clearance letters my store recently tripled the price to over $200 and on top of that we will not provide them period for any vehicle 2007 or newer. I personally don't have a problem with it now. I used to cringe waiting for the response when someone would ask for one and i had to tell them it was 75 bucks now i get a kick out of it.... this business will make you jaded very fast.

The last thing is regarding Warranty. The company i work for will not perform any warranty work on vehicels imported from the states. This is not a mandate from the corporation it's simply my dealerships position and i can guarantee you it is very legal, we will simply refuse to work on your vehicle. The reasoning behind this is that we have our own customers to service not taking into account customers from other local dealers who help employ directly and indirectly 1000's of people by purchasing their vehicles locally.
This practice is already common place up north where people who purchased their vehicles in the lower mainland can't get warranty work done because the dealerships are more concerned with their own customers.
All in all be careful when buying a vehicle down south you may save on the initial purchase but you will most likely be in for a whole world of headaches in the future with the hard line Candian subsidiaries are taking.


So let me get this straight. All of us here has in some time bought a vehicle locally. In fact I surmise that almost all have bought more than one. Personally, I have bought close to 7 new cars locally in my driving career. I have paid the high prices, endured the crappy dealer service (yes go take a poll you will find that buying a car for most people is as bad as going to the dentist) and when I finally wake up and realize that I'm being gouged and purchase my first car down south, you tell me to f*** off? Well right back at you! and don't count on me to buy anymore cars locally. Don't want my service dollars? too bad I am going to get my service down south. Even if something catastrophic happens, I would rather pay for a tow truck and take it down south for warranty work than to set foot in your dealerships again. You think people don't read these threads and see your arrogance?

[Danno2005]

Being an employee at the dealership level and dealing with people who are trying to import vehicles almost on a daily basis i've followed this thread with interest. I haven't made it through all 700 odd pages but maybe i can shed some light on a few issues.

I work for one of the Big 3 and have seen emails sent to US dealers from corporate HQ strictly banning the sale of "new" vehicles to individuals or brokers who intend on directly importing them into Canada. the repurcussions are very severe for dealerships that break these rules ranging from huge fines ( one particular store had to pay somewhere in the neighborhood $500,000) to having their dealer licence revoked.
In regards to clearance letters my store recently tripled the price to over $200 and on top of that we will not provide them period for any vehicle 2007 or newer. I personally don't have a problem with it now. I used to cringe waiting for the response when someone would ask for one and i had to tell them it was 75 bucks now i get a kick out of it.... this business will make you jaded very fast.

The last thing is regarding Warranty. The company i work for will not perform any warranty work on vehicels imported from the states. This is not a mandate from the corporation it's simply my dealerships position and i can guarantee you it is very legal, we will simply refuse to work on your vehicle. The reasoning behind this is that we have our own customers to service not taking into account customers from other local dealers who help employ directly and indirectly 1000's of people by purchasing their vehicles locally.
This practice is already common place up north where people who purchased their vehicles in the lower mainland can't get warranty work done because the dealerships are more concerned with their own customers.
All in all be careful when buying a vehicle down south you may save on the initial purchase but you will most likely be in for a whole world of headaches in the future with the hard line Candian subsidiaries are taking.

Sure would be nice if you could learn how to spell "Canadian" -eh?

Must be a Chrysler or GM employee as Ford covers warranty in Canada. With your attitude and management's attitude, the "Big 3" is quickly becoming the "Middle 3" soon to be the "Departed 3".

And not soon enough.


:mad:

[underpants]

All in all be careful when buying a vehicle down south you may save on the initial purchase but you will most likely be in for a whole world of headaches in the future with the hard line Candian subsidiaries are taking.

I'm not sure who will have the headache.

True, I do have the headache of figuring out how to spend the $6000.00 I saved:cheesygri I'm sure I'll be able to figure it out.

Perhaps the Canadian subsidiaries who are taking a hard line will have a headache from all the bad PR, lost sales, and irate customers who overpaid thousands of dollars (in some cases tens of thousands of dollars).

I know my local dealership appreciates my business when I bring my imported US vehicle in for service.

I am glad to hear that your dealership is doing well. Good for you.

[thegradas]

used it a lot of times; excellent service


Did anyone else use XE, and what was your experience?

[browna]

Last month I was at a large GM dealer here in Calgary. I like GM vehciels, owned them all my life.

I was looking at a preowned Escalade, more out of fun, becuase I knew I could easly save $10K in the US on a $35K used 2004-5 one here, or 30% of an almost new 2007 over Canadian MSRP.

Anyways, after test driving a 2007 on the preowned lot, I asked about the warranty. The guy then told me that a couple of them are brough up from the States (for some bs reason like they (the US) have been taking our stock, so we've brought some in). Anyways, I went to that lot because I knew a guy that worked for the dealer for year. He has an importing business now, and recently quit to my dismay, from the dealer.

As he had recently worked in the preowned department, he told me that there's a company up in Edmonton that goes to the States, buys a large volume of pre-owned late model US...then brings them up by the truckload...and they go directly to the dealers who snap them up like candy.

So dealers are walking that fine line of hypocrisy if they're scolding customers and dissuading them from US importation, while scooping up Escalades (this was listed at $65K...guaranteed it was brought in for probably $55K) and other vehicles from brokers to put on thier used lots.

Just an FYI, as far as Cadillac's go, who have all scheduled maitenance covered (ie a brake job per warranty period, annual tire rotation, all oil changes (ans domething else)) in the 4 yr 80K warranty period, GM Canada (after the 6 mo 10K waiting period) do not cover any schedule maitenance above the oil changes on US models.

[vipernig]

Congratulations on your first post. And congratulation on the magnificent achievement of earning the a$$hole of the month award with your first post to this community. I have to say I was a bit interested in a Caliber before seeing this thread and this thread opened my eyes that for the price of a well equiped Caliber I can get an awesome Outback or hell with more money I can get an EX35. So screw you and your ****** quality American cars (Chrysler, GM) and tough luck with the loss of potential business. I know I will never buy Chrysler, GM, BMW and will not be being any car in the forseable future here in Canada. Oh and screw you!!

Being an employee at the dealership level and dealing with people who are trying to import vehicles almost on a daily basis i've followed this thread with interest. I haven't made it through all 700 odd pages but maybe i can shed some light on a few issues.

I work for one of the Big 3 and have seen emails sent to US dealers from corporate HQ strictly banning the sale of "new" vehicles to individuals or brokers who intend on directly importing them into Canada. the repurcussions are very severe for dealerships that break these rules ranging from huge fines ( one particular store had to pay somewhere in the neighborhood $500,000) to having their dealer licence revoked.
In regards to clearance letters my store recently tripled the price to over $200 and on top of that we will not provide them period for any vehicle 2007 or newer. I personally don't have a problem with it now. I used to cringe waiting for the response when someone would ask for one and i had to tell them it was 75 bucks now i get a kick out of it.... this business will make you jaded very fast.

The last thing is regarding Warranty. The company i work for will not perform any warranty work on vehicels imported from the states. This is not a mandate from the corporation it's simply my dealerships position and i can guarantee you it is very legal, we will simply refuse to work on your vehicle. The reasoning behind this is that we have our own customers to service not taking into account customers from other local dealers who help employ directly and indirectly 1000's of people by purchasing their vehicles locally.
This practice is already common place up north where people who purchased their vehicles in the lower mainland can't get warranty work done because the dealerships are more concerned with their own customers.
All in all be careful when buying a vehicle down south you may save on the initial purchase but you will most likely be in for a whole world of headaches in the future with the hard line Candian subsidiaries are taking.

[boci]

Congratulations on your first post. And congratulation on the magnificent achievement of earning the a$$hole of the month award with your first post to this community. I have to say I was a bit interested in a Caliber before seeing this thread and this thread opened my eyes that for the price of a well equiped Caliber I can get an awesome Outback or hell with more money I can get an EX35. So screw you and your ****** quality American cars (Chrysler, GM) and tough luck with the loss of potential business. I know I will never buy Chrysler, GM, BMW and will not be being any car in the forseable future here in Canada. Oh and screw you!!
+1 :razz:

[tico 1948]

Congratulations on your first post. And congratulation on the magnificent achievement of earning the a$$hole of the month award with your first post to this community. I have to say I was a bit interested in a Caliber before seeing this thread and this thread opened my eyes that for the price of a well equiped Caliber I can get an awesome Outback or hell with more money I can get an EX35. So screw you and your ****** quality American cars (Chrysler, GM) and tough luck with the loss of potential business. I know I will never buy Chrysler, GM, BMW and will not be being any car in the forseable future here in Canada. Oh and screw you!!

Yup, just another "Deaf, Dumb, and Blind" (thanks Pete T.) Canadian Auto Type with it's head stuck in it's pooper. If you don't want to service imported vehicles because of your misguided/dumbass policy well, I really do hope that you have a back-up source of income. This policy will come back and bite you,and others of your ilk, bigtime! Sounds like this policy is more about cutting your nose off just to spite your face.I don't know what business school, if any, you or your employer attended but it's obvious you weren't listening too well during lectures. Enjoy your life and all the service business that will be slipping away.

[Beradon]

Being an employee at the dealership level and dealing with people who are trying to import vehicles almost on a daily basis i've followed this thread with interest.

--crap cut---

The last thing is regarding Warranty. The company i work for will not perform any warranty work on vehicels imported from the states. This is not a mandate from the corporation it's simply my dealerships position and i can guarantee you it is very legal, we will simply refuse to work on your vehicle. The reasoning behind this is that we have our own customers to service not taking into account customers from other local dealers who help employ directly and indirectly 1000's of people by purchasing their vehicles locally.*chuckle* Why do I get the feeling you're just spiteful and everything you claimed your "dealership" is doing was just a flat out lie? Sales have hurt you dearly huh? What's the matter? Angry about the slow months? Maybe you should look into another line of work. :lol:

All in all be careful when buying a vehicle down south you may save on the initial purchase but you will most likely be in for a whole world of headaches in the future with the hard line Candian subsidiaries are taking.They don't have much choice but to smile and honor warranty work as the service department may be the only thing that's keeping your dealership and others alive. Being a big "3" dealer you're going to need it, sunshine. :D

[Beradon]

Yup, just another "Deaf, Dumb, and Blind" (thanks Pete T.) Canadian Auto Type with it's head stuck in it's pooper. If you don't want to service imported vehicles because of your misguided/dumbass policy well, I really do hope that you have a back-up source of income. This policy will come back and bite you,and others of your ilk, bigtime! Sounds like this policy is more about cutting your nose off just to spite your face.I don't know what business school, if any, you or your employer attended but it's obvious you weren't listening too well during lectures. Enjoy your life and all the service business that will be slipping away.Maybe it would be a good idea to publicly list those dealerships that refuse legitimate warranty work on imported vehicles. Nothing stops a business like bad publicity.

[Snocow]

I work for one of the Big 3


Hey Oscartoffee...I'm so sorry to hear that you work for one of the bankrupt 3.

My biggest suggestion to you would be to enroll in some College or University courses so you can be ready for your new reality.

I have owned GM vehicles all my life but recently swore....NEVER AGAIN! Three weeks ago I imported a 2008 Camry SE.

I will never again purchase from a Canadian dealer unless I am forced to. I will offer them my service work if they need money to keep the lights on.

[Ron]

Don't take the bait. oscartoffee might be nothing more than a Troll who never worked at a dealership.

[Ron]

Did anyone else use XE, and what was your experience?

I have been using them for years (at least 3, maybe as many as 6) with multiple transactions per year. Not a single problem. The actual transactions are handled by a licensed and insured financial institution/broker.

[ajpaterson]

Being an employee at the dealership level and dealing with people who are trying to import vehicles almost on a daily basis i've followed this thread with interest. I haven't made it through all 700 odd pages but maybe i can shed some light on a few issues.

In regards to clearance letters my store recently tripled the price to over $200 and on top of that we will not provide them period for any vehicle 2007 or newer. I personally don't have a problem with it now. I used to cringe waiting for the response when someone would ask for one and i had to tell them it was 75 bucks now i get a kick out of it.... this business will make you jaded very fast.


If you really are working for a B3 dealership, why are you taking your ire out on customers that have taken the trouble to inform themselves and demand a better deal? Dealerships should be pushing up at the manufacturers to get competitive pricing, not alienating the customers who might buy from them. Basic Sales 101.

This kind of attitude ignores the fact that a dealership will make $4-5 profit in service for every $1 profit they lose in sales over the lifetime of the car. Better to make 5/6 of the profit related to a sale than none at all. You guys should be welcoming new customers with open arms.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Duty rates are usually 6.1% but this only applies to vehicles made outside NA. Surprisingly most vehicles even Japanese makes are produced in NA - I bought a Honda and paid no duty on it. To find out where the car was produced you need to use the VIN # to decode the duty you will have to pay. I used this free resource at http://www.importcar2canada.com/car_import_duties_and_how_to_avoid_them (http://www.importcar2canada.com/car_import_duties_and_how_to_avoid_them/)/

Was usefull and can be applied to any car that you are trying to import to canada.

Good luck..!

Or instead of going to a sponsored site, simply look at the VIN (like we've mentioned here 1000s of times). If the first character is a NUMBER there is NO duty. If the first character is a LETTER, duty is APPLICABLE.

[Danno2005]

Yesterday's show had Jim Kenzie talking about attractive US car pricing and how he was tempted to go to the US to buy a car. However, he felt he should buy in Canada to support the Canadian economy and the dealer system we have setup.

Amazing that he feels it is OK for Canadian consumers to spend an estimated 5 BILLION dollars extra annually to support the Canadian car industry.

It does not take much to understand who butters his bread.

I guess those cushy Spain car launch trips would be at risk if he dare criticize manufacturers on their pricing policies and restrictive import practises (BMW, GM, etc) along with advertising support $.

Jim - wake up man!!

[Monsieurmaggot]

*chuckle* Why do I get the feeling you're just spiteful and everything you claimed your "dealership" is doing was just a flat out lie? Sales have hurt you dearly huh? What's the matter? Angry about the slow months? Maybe you should look into another line of work. :lol:

They don't have much choice but to smile and honor warranty work as the service department may be the only thing that's keeping your dealership and others alive. Being a big "3" dealer you're going to need it, sunshine. :D

The guy probably works for the BC dealership that had the reporter fired for reporting that cars are overpriced in Canada.

As someone else mentioned too, I have always purchased Ford or GM vehicles. Never again.

I couldn't help but chuckle last night watching TV. I saw three different car ads promoting sales in Canada. GM's was the best: "We've responded" - Save up to $14,000, 0% financing, no payments for three months, 5 year warranty.

The $14,000 is on a Cadillac XLR which is still a minimum $15,000 cheaper in the US (after the discount) than in Canada.

[ziploc]

Maybe it would be a good idea to publicly list those dealerships that refuse legitimate warranty work on imported vehicles. Nothing stops a business like bad publicity.

I will start:


VAUDREUIL HYUNDAI is one of them

[st7860]

any honda dealer

[tico 1948]

I too have to laugh at the Honda television ads that trumpet realistic Canadian pricing and why shop in the US? Geez Honda, do you think we are all stupid? We've known for sometime that US dealers won't/can't sell to Cdns.All your ads do is show the savvy Cdn. consumer how big a bunch of Schmucks you think we are. I hope every one of your econoboxes rust out on the Dealership lots before anyone is sucker enough to fall for your BS advertising. Imagine telling us to by in Canada because now the pricing is "supposidly" attractive enough to discourage "renegade" buyers from cross border shopping. Why don't you just come out and say "Since we effectively prevent Canadians from USA purchasing, you have no choice but to accept our pissy price reduction and come into our dealerships for a good greasing":eek: . I would at least give you points for honesty if nothing else.Trouble is, the Print/TV media is so hungry for advertising dollars they are willing go along with the drivel your promo depts. come up with. I only wish more Canadians had the monetary means to go cash shopping instead of having to rely on Dealership financing.If that were the case, you'd really be "Fooked". Just my .02 and thanks RFD for the opportunity to rant.

[davehender]

The one thing about this RFD forum is that it seems like many folks are in the same frame of mind. This doesn't seem to be the case on some other sites; take the one below, for example, where one fellow wrote about not buying any more Hondas because of the way the company is treating him. He's taking a lot of heat from a bunch of others because of it! There's even some suggestion that it's illegal for him to purchase across the line. Talk about fear tactics.

http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-message?message_id=728255&page_number=1&

The site does seem to have a lot of Canadian and American Honda dealers on it too, and it is interesting to read some of their comments. If we are really going to make a difference it would be helpful to challenge some of the comments being left on sites like these, especially when they're populated by both salespeople and customers alike.

[jingyu]

Do we pay tax if buy new car in Illinois? I searched the forum and some say yes some say no. I would like to know if any one here did a real purchase in Illinois and paid or didn't pay tax in Illinois. Thanks.

[Cars4Canadians]

WOw you must be hurting bad :)


I hope all the "Big 3" dealerships across Canada go out of business, i have no intention of purchasing a **** amerian car at a 20-40 percent gouge. You can stuff those cars up your ass.







Originally Posted by oscartoffee
Being an employee at the dealership level and dealing with people who are trying to import vehicles almost on a daily basis i've followed this thread with interest. I haven't made it through all 700 odd pages but maybe i can shed some light on a few issues.

I work for one of the Big 3 and have seen emails sent to US dealers from corporate HQ strictly banning the sale of "new" vehicles to individuals or brokers who intend on directly importing them into Canada. the repurcussions are very severe for dealerships that break these rules ranging from huge fines ( one particular store had to pay somewhere in the neighborhood $500,000) to having their dealer licence revoked.
In regards to clearance letters my store recently tripled the price to over $200 and on top of that we will not provide them period for any vehicle 2007 or newer. I personally don't have a problem with it now. I used to cringe waiting for the response when someone would ask for one and i had to tell them it was 75 bucks now i get a kick out of it.... this business will make you jaded very fast.

The last thing is regarding Warranty. The company i work for will not perform any warranty work on vehicels imported from the states. This is not a mandate from the corporation it's simply my dealerships position and i can guarantee you it is very legal, we will simply refuse to work on your vehicle. The reasoning behind this is that we have our own customers to service not taking into account customers from other local dealers who help employ directly and indirectly 1000's of people by purchasing their vehicles locally.
This practice is already common place up north where people who purchased their vehicles in the lower mainland can't get warranty work done because the dealerships are more concerned with their own customers.
All in all be careful when buying a vehicle down south you may save on the initial purchase but you will most likely be in for a whole world of headaches in the future with the hard line Candian subsidiaries are taking.

[Vidman]

The one thing about this RFD forum is that it seems like many folks are in the same frame of mind. This doesn't seem to be the case on some other sites; take the one below, for example, where one fellow wrote about not buying any more Hondas because of the way the company is treating him. He's taking a lot of heat from a bunch of others because of it! There's even some suggestion that it's illegal for him to purchase across the line. Talk about fear tactics.

http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-message?message_id=728255&page_number=1&

The site does seem to have a lot of Canadian and American Honda dealers on it too, and it is interesting to read some of their comments. If we are really going to make a difference it would be helpful to challenge some of the comments being left on sites like these, especially when they're populated by both salespeople and customers alike.

I read through that entire thread.

BRUTAL that there is so much misinformation AND that so many respondents were so completely ignorant to the original poster. (AND that so many Americans can't spell- but I digress...)

You would think that US dealers and citizens would be more supportive of Canadians trying to spend money in the US!

[Lost Horizon]

Yesterday's show had Jim Kenzie talking about attractive US car pricing and how he was tempted to go to the US to buy a car. However, he felt he should buy in Canada to support the Canadian economy and the dealer system we have setup.

Amazing that he feels it is OK for Canadian consumers to spend an estimated 5 BILLION dollars extra annually to support the Canadian car industry.

It does not take much to understand who butters his bread.

I guess those cushy Spain car launch trips would be at risk if he dare criticize manufacturers on their pricing policies and restrictive import practises (BMW, GM, etc) along with advertising support $.

Jim - wake up man!!


+1 Yeah.. I saw that also.. a bit contrived, for sure.. see my alligator tears...

[davehender]

I read through that entire thread.

BRUTAL that there is so much misinformation AND that so many respondents were so completely ignorant to the original poster. (AND that so many Americans can't spell- but I digress...)

You would think that US dealers and citizens would be more supportive of Canadians trying to spend money in the US!


It's crazy! And then there's the Honda salesman who thinks the Canadian flag has an oak leaf on it instead of a maple leaf! He seems to be the one dispensing most of the advice about economics, international markets, and even the Canadian health care system too. Talk about the blind leading the blind. I think the funniest part (or is it the most disturbing part?) is at the bottom of one of his posts, where he says "I won't charge you for this lesson."

[J233]

Being an employee at the dealership level and dealing with people who are trying to import vehicles almost on a daily basis i've followed this thread with interest. I haven't made it through all 700 odd pages but maybe i can shed some light on a few issues.

I work for one of the Big 3 and have seen emails sent to US dealers from corporate HQ strictly banning the sale of "new" vehicles to individuals or brokers who intend on directly importing them into Canada. the repurcussions are very severe for dealerships that break these rules ranging from huge fines ( one particular store had to pay somewhere in the neighborhood $500,000) to having their dealer licence revoked.
In regards to clearance letters my store recently tripled the price to over $200 and on top of that we will not provide them period for any vehicle 2007 or newer. I personally don't have a problem with it now. I used to cringe waiting for the response when someone would ask for one and i had to tell them it was 75 bucks now i get a kick out of it.... this business will make you jaded very fast.

The last thing is regarding Warranty. The company i work for will not perform any warranty work on vehicels imported from the states. This is not a mandate from the corporation it's simply my dealerships position and i can guarantee you it is very legal, we will simply refuse to work on your vehicle. The reasoning behind this is that we have our own customers to service not taking into account customers from other local dealers who help employ directly and indirectly 1000's of people by purchasing their vehicles locally.
This practice is already common place up north where people who purchased their vehicles in the lower mainland can't get warranty work done because the dealerships are more concerned with their own customers.
All in all be careful when buying a vehicle down south you may save on the initial purchase but you will most likely be in for a whole world of headaches in the future with the hard line Candian subsidiaries are taking.

I am only going to comment on one aspect of your post since there have been quite a few comments already.
You state that your dealership will refuse to work on imported vehicles although warranty policy from your corporate "Corporate" covers imported vehicles. OK, then I would expect them to deal with you in the same way they would deal with a US dealer selling to Canadians against clear directives from Corporate. If this is not the case then I will have serious doubts about your manufacturer's consistency, business practices and integrity.

[mpsrent]

I faithfully follow wheels.ca and have found that the Canadian auto media have moved from stating facts to patronizing the manufacturers. I suppose I can appreciate that they need the support of advertisers but it is a shame that they have backed away from the unfair pricing practices.

I'm not asking for car pricing parity with the U.S., just fairness. 20% and 40% difference is not fair.

[joe friday]

You would think that US dealers and citizens would be more supportive of Canadians trying to spend money in the US!

I think the thing to remember here is that dealers are probably thrilled with the extra Canadian business, but probably the US public not so much. I recall when the situation was reversed and Americans were flocking north to Canada to buy the cheaper vehicles up here. I was shopping for a truck at the time, and I recall being told by one dealer that he didn't have to negotiate at all because he could sell every truck on his lot to the Americans for full asking price. That's probably what the US public are being told now when they go car shopping....

[DrXenon]

I think the thing to remember here is that dealers are probably thrilled with the extra Canadian business, but probably the US public not so much. I recall when the situation was reversed and Americans were flocking north to Canada to buy the cheaper vehicles up here. I was shopping for a truck at the time, and I recall being told by one dealer that he didn't have to negotiate at all because he could sell every truck on his lot to the Americans for full asking price. That's probably what the US public are being told now when they go car shopping....

I think the situations are not completely symmetrical. The American market is much more competitive and the dealers don't have as much pricing power. They make their money on volume. Canadian purchases are never going to be more than a tiny fraction of sales, with the possible exception of Buffalo which is so close to the 2.5 million urban centre of Toronto.

Also, I've noticed that there's more investment in infrastructure in Canada - just look at the hard-to-heat, glass-fronted Taj Mahals Wietzes Motors and Don Valley Toyota have built - us Canajuns get to pay for all that.

[Cars4Canadians]

The last thing i will do is purchase a car in Canada, i will never purchase another car in this country. These Canadian ******* dealers just assume we have no options and we will be back to get it up the ass from them.

[freewheel]

Check this out:

http://vancouver.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-over-5K-2006-BMW-M6-Coupe-USA-Import-W0QQAdIdZ32011715

and it's not the only one. They don't want us to import but it's O.K. for them.

[Cars4Canadians]

Wow what a bunch of ... i can't say the words, i'm so pissed, i want to puke.

GOD i hope everyone in this stupid country stops going to the dealers, they dont' deserve a penny of your money.

wow nice price also on that car :) making around 25K profit on that car lol


Check this out:

http://vancouver.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-over-5K-2006-BMW-M6-Coupe-USA-Import-W0QQAdIdZ32011715

and it's not the only one. They don't want us to import but it's O.K. for them.

[Lost Horizon]

Wow what a bunch of ... i can't say the words, i'm so pissed, i want to puke.

GOD i hope everyone in this stupid country stops going to the dealers, they dont' deserve a penny of your money.

Well, you are watching the front end of a new reality for the Manufacturers unfolding as threads like this grow. It's a new reality that they are still discounting regarding it's importance to their longer term goodwill.. whatever that is.

The Internet is coming of age for stuff like this, and there will be cause and effect impacts to the Brand from here forward... that attitude coming from their past success stories buried in 20th century marketing and spin control. They are looking at the Internet as a minor inconvenience, and are not assigning the weight and impact it will have going forward. It's a lot harder to get rid of a bad public impression than it is to create it. And, the Internet makes that happen a lot faster than in the good old days of one way TV.

..meanwhile, this thread climbs steadily to toward the 2 million view mark, while they party on looking backwards at their history.. I'm quite sure that BMW AG is getting only a filtered view of this, but when the Canadian BMWaterboarding customer interface starts to affect the apparent view of the brand, heads will roll, but by then the popular belief is a standing wave in place, and it will be common knowledge what they think of the customer base, most difficult to reverse ..

[Cars4Canadians]

I just worry that once a few car manufacturers drop the price by 5 percent the too civilized sheep in this Country will go out in droves and purchase from the ass-hole manufacturers like it was free.

The **** we are being fed is more than a slap in the face, it is time to be non civilized and slap back.



Well, you are watching the front end of a new reality for the Manufacturers unfolding as threads like this grow. It's a new reality that they are still discounting regarding it's importance to their longer term goodwill.. whatever that is.

The Internet is coming of age for stuff like this, and there will be cause and effect impacts to the Brand from here forward... that attitude coming from their past success stories buried in 20th century marketing and spin control. They are looking at the Internet as a minor inconvenience, and are not assigning the weight and impact it will have going forward. It's a lot harder to get rid of a bad public impression than it is to create it. And, the Internet makes that happen a lot faster than in the good old days of one way TV.

..meanwhile, this thread climbs steadily to toward the 2 million view mark, while they party on looking backwards at their history.. I'm quite sure that BMW AG is getting only a filtered view of this, but when the Canadian BMWaterboarding customer interface starts to affect the apparent view of the brand, heads will roll, but by then the popular belief is a standing wave in place, and it will be common knowledge what they think of the customer base, most difficult to reverse ..

[xcel]

Need a quick help on Recall Clearance.

Buying a used 2004 Honda Accord. As the initial 3 yr warranty on this vehicle has expired, do you think Honda will issue the Recall clearance? Or shall I go directly to a Honda dealer for the letter ?

Thanks.

[Marzipan]

Need a quick help on Recall Clearance.

Buying a used 2004 Honda Accord. As the initial 3 yr warranty on this vehicle has expired, do you think Honda will issue the Recall clearance? Or shall I go directly to a Honda dealer for the letter ?

Thanks.

This may not be helpful but for next time .... wouldn't it be better to have the vendor obtain it as a condition of the transaction?

[dohmer]

Do we pay tax if buy new car in Illinois? I searched the forum and some say yes some say no. I would like to know if any one here did a real purchase in Illinois and paid or didn't pay tax in Illinois. Thanks.

Bought mine in Peoria, Il. No sales tax paid.

[Pixy]

I was considering buying 2006 BMW 330i but after reading all these facts about BMW Canada's unbelievable tactics towards US BMWs and arrogant towards customers I am having second thoughts. I have friends own BMWs and California. None had good customer service from BMW dealers. Looks like all north American BMW dealers are treating like 2nd class citizens. I don't know the treatment across Atlantic someone can en light me. Make no mistake, BMWs are fine cars. They run excellent European purchase program in US but the dealers are full of attitude. I don't think BMW AG wants his customers treat like this and no producer will accept his customer get treated like this . Looks like there is a disconnect between BMW AG perception and the reality. I believe we should educate BMW HQ to bridge the disconnect.
(may be send out emails)

After reading about 2m page views, I think we need to take this facts to main stream medias. Most of the coverage are

1. biased towards the manufacturers and dealers
2. Partial facts (importer has to do modification to comply, requirement etc)
3. Warranty
3. Importing hassele etc

But most of them are missing specially unbelievable tactics by the dealers and manufacturers

1. Warranty was honored my most of manufactures one year before
2. What are the real technical different between US and Canadian immobilizer compliance.
3. Tactics taken by manufacturers (not to sell to Canadian, Charge for recall certificates (Which was totally free), compliance certificates (for nothing))
and many more.

Most of these requirements never existed before but started to come as tactics to discourage cross border traffic.

We know because we read this forum but most of the ppl never know unless we take this to main stream media. I am sure out of 2M readers at least one may have influence to take this to the main stream media. I think we should take action to cover these in TV news and major news papers. Are these will make any different? I don't know but ppl should have the rights to know the facts.

BTW what happened to the 5B$ case against the dealers and manufacturers?

[nalababe]

BTW what happened to the 5B$ case against the dealers and manufacturers?

It will undoubtedly fall onto deaf ears. The pricing and warranty issues are not unique to the Auto Industry. When we sell a piece of equipment to a laboratory, they could undoubtely purchase for less in the US, but we would not honor the warranty up here in Canada. Our tranfer price to Canada is higher, our cost for paying employees is higher, our costs for servicing is higher...

Oh and while we pay more for cars, the people in the US are screaming about the cheaper prescription drugs (same products) , cheaper healthcare (using the same technolgy), cheaper education, cheaper social services...

In any instance, you are not forced to purchase here in Canada, so that will be where the case breaks down...warranties are value added. Of course, the number of people purchasing cars in the US is still very very small...most people cannot afford to purchase a car upfront and even fewer will lease or finance through a broker.

[EL820]

Also, I've noticed that there's more investment in infrastructure in Canada - just look at the hard-to-heat, glass-fronted Taj Mahals Wietzes Motors and Don Valley Toyota have built - us Canajuns get to pay for all that.

It really makes me wonder the profit margin on a new vehicle. I can't imagine they generate a bulk of their profit from service alone to built that infrastructure.

[mangoman]

Keep stickin' it right back to them folks!

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20071217/StatsCan_cars_071217/20071217?hub=Canada&s_name=

New motor vehicle sales drop in October: StatsCan
Updated Mon. Dec. 17 2007 9:19 AM ET

The Canadian Press

OTTAWA -- Statistics Canada says new motor vehicle sales declined again in October, slipping 1.4 per cent from September to 137,501 units.

The decline was due to lower passenger car sales, which fell 4.9 per cent.

However, sales of trucks, minivans and sport utility vehicles rose 2.4 per cent to partly offset the drop.

After generally rising since late 2005, sales of new motor vehicles trended downwards in the latter half of this year.

However, new motor vehicle sales remain strong overall in 2007, as sales for an average month are higher than they have been since 2002.

Preliminary industry data for the month of November suggest that new motor vehicle sales are expected to decline by 1.0 per cent, due to a drop in truck sales.

:razz:

[mangoman]

http://statcan.gc.ca/Daily/English/071217/d071217b.htm

[nornet]

It really makes me wonder the profit margin on a new vehicle. I can't imagine they generate a bulk of their profit from service alone to built that infrastructure.

I seem to recall reading that a dealer makes roughly 25% of their profits on new cars, 25% on service and 50% on used cars. Don't know if the article was about US or Cdn dealers and can't vouch for the accuracy.

[jasz]

Hey Guys,

Just read some comments here where people were asked to send their original title to the U.S. customs. I am planning to drive it through Lewiston crossings.

Is it true? I am getting the dealer to fedex me all the document. Should i go and drop it off at US customs? or mail it ? Or faxing still works.

Anyone done it in last few days?

Thanks,

[Ventrick]

Hey Guys,

Just read some comments here where people were asked to send their original title to the U.S. customs. I am planning to drive it through Lewiston crossings.

Is it true? I am getting the dealer to fedex me all the document. Should i go and drop it off at US customs? or mail it ? Or faxing still works.

Anyone done it in last few days?

Thanks,

I crossed at Queenston/Lewiston last Monday and fax worked fine for me then. You can call 1-716-282-1500 and listen to recorded message to confirm it still tells you to Fax.

[Kamloops]

OK if everyone writes to BMW Canada president and CEO Lindsay Duffield maybe something will change. Lets flood his email box!

So even if you are not buying a BMW send a email or call to complain as the other car makers may adopt these new import restrictions

(Mr) Lindsay S. Duffield
BMW Group Canada
lindsay.duffield@bmwgroup.ca
1 (905) 428-5001
1 (905) 683-0997 (fax)

or Contact his assistant Lindsay Gaylor at 905-428-5004 or Linda Rutherford at 905-428-5008 (linda.rutherford@bmwgroup.ca)

[jasz]

I crossed at Queenston/Lewiston last Monday and fax worked fine for me then. You can call 1-716-282-1500 and listen to recorded message to confirm it still tells you to Fax.

Thanks a lot!

[Cars4Canadians]

FORGET IT,
I emailed that dork weeks ago, he is as arrogant as everyone else at BMW Canada. His excuses make me sick, asswipe should admit BMW Canada price their cars for whatever the market will bear, instead of giving half-assed excuses.

The only way to complain is to write one of the german top guys in Germany, not the idiots that live in this country and gouge their own people.



OK if everyone writes to BMW Canada president and CEO Lindsay Duffield maybe something will change. Lets flood his email box!

So even if you are not buying a BMW send a email or call to complain as the other car makers may adopt these new import restrictions

(Mr) Lindsay S. Duffield
BMW Group Canada
lindsay.duffield@bmwgroup.ca
1 (905) 428-5001
1 (905) 683-0997 (fax)

or Contact his assistant Lindsay Gaylor at 905-428-5004 or Linda Rutherford at 905-428-5008 (linda.rutherford@bmwgroup.ca)

[Monsieurmaggot]

FORGET IT,
I emailed that dork weeks ago, he is as arrogant as everyone else at BMW Canada. His excuses make me sick, asswipe should admit BMW Canada price their cars for whatever the market will bear, instead of giving half-assed excuses.

The only way to complain is to write one of the german top guys in Germany, not the idiots that live in this country and gouge their own people.


Don't forget to mention Brian Jessel BMW who's selling imported cars. Oh wait, they will claim it's used so they can.

I wonder if the buyer will get a certificate claiming the paperwork was properly documented and receipts will be provided for the DRL activation

[tico 1948]

I just made an appointment for my '08 Tribeca's 3000 mile oil change,with the Subaru Dealership in Moncton, N.B. for tomorrow pm. I told them straight off that it is an import vehicle and would there be any problem with them servicing my vehicle? The guy on the phone said "if it's Warranty Work, then it's a problem, but it's no problem for an oil change". I didn't press him for clarification on that, but I certainly will tomorrow when I visit the Dealership for the lube job. Perhaps he just has a case of the Monday Blues or a questionable "Bedside Manner". Anyhow, I'm sure gonna find out what's in store for Warranty stuff tomorrow. I might have to find another Service Dept./Dealership if they try to dick me around. We'll see what happens and hope for the best.

[Cars4Canadians]

Come to think of it, i will call BMW Canada regarding that and ask them why dealers get to sell American cars. (They will probably say the car was sold as used by a canadian after they imported it into canada LOL )

Don't forget to mention Brian Jessel BMW who's selling imported cars. Oh wait, they will claim it's used so they can.

I wonder if the buyer will get a certificate claiming the paperwork was properly documented and receipts will be provided for the DRL activation

[shopper-X]

Come to think of it, i will call BMW Canada regarding that and ask them why dealers get to sell American cars. (They will probably say the car was sold as used by a canadian after they imported it into canada LOL )

Then there is the stance by the auto makers that imported cars hold no resale value.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Then there is the stance by the auto makers that imported cars hold no resale value.

No resale value?

That's a hoot. Those BMW guys can't even get their stories consistent.

The dealer is selling the BMW for $99,900.

[icanwait]

This is my first post after reading this entire thread over the past couple of months.

I did respond to this link that was posted a few weeks ago -

http://www.northernlife.ca/News/Lifestyle/2007/11-23-07-carstop.asp?NLStory=11-23-07-carstop

They won't likely print it - but to paraphrase what I said -

"Why is someone from Vancouver commenting on this article? Because it is circulating the Internet as yet another example of media misinformation.

Internet savvy Canadians can instantly prove you wrong with a few mouse-clicks.

The lack of fact-checking in these articles has journalist's reputations falling by the wayside from coast to coast.

(I then posted a comparison of the Ford Edge US vs Canada where the 4.9% Canadian finance rate couldn't compare with the cash savings of $9000 even if financed at 8% with a non-car bank loan.) I pointed out a savings of $1100 on PST and GST alone.

I also added that if it is now Ford's policy to refuse or delay service to the travelling public in need of repairs - that it is one more nail in Ford's coffin.

Reputations are at stake and are becoming well known - dealers, salesmen and the media need to think things through before publishing misleading or fraudulent misinformation."

Letting them know that what they print influences the public's perception of their integrity, ethics and reputation just may get them to re-think their bottom line if they lose their subscribers.

I have noticed used BMWs and Mercedes on dealers lots all over town for the last three years. A local Kia dealer had about 30. You could save a lot of money buying US cars even when the Loonie was 70 cents.

There is no going back. Canadians seem to have been calculator-challenged in the past - but now even if the Loonie slides - they will still figure it out.

Congratulations to all those who have purchased in the U.S. and saved thousands.

I haven't bought yet - but thanks to this forum - I know what I WON'T be buying and I imagine thousands of other lurkers who read this thread feel the same.

[inkognito81]

Chalk up another Outback for Van Bortel!

I originally was planning on importing an Impreza, and had almost closed the deal when the immobilizer requirement changed... It was a bit of a shocker, but it didn't slow me down much. Instead I turned my attention to the Outback. And when all is said and done, I'm very happy that I went with the Outback instead!

I'll keep my import process story short and sweet since I didn't run into any problems...

Drove a rental down to Rochester on Saturday and picked up my car at 3pm.

Headed for the Lewiston border on Monday - no one in line at U.S border. Took a few minutes both places. A guy came out at the U.S. border to "inspect" the car. Only took a few minutes.

About 5 cars in line at Canadian border, no one in line inside. Spent maybe 15 mins at Candian border to fill out Form 1 etc...

Drove to RIV office - no one in line there either. Waited about 15 mins for Form 2.

Drove to CT by QEW. "Inspection" took 5 mins.

Drove to MTO, about 5 people in line. Took maybe 20 mins in total.

Done :cheesygri

[Danno2005]

Re: Hi there

The Northen Life won't be publishing your reply and won't be publishing mine. The paper caters to the unions and does not want to lose advertising significant revenue it receives from local car dealers.

It is best used as a replacement when you run out of toilet paper.

[Cars4Canadians]

Reading that Northen Life text made me sick again, **** i want to puke people.

god i am so tired of these monkeys and a-holes spewing their ******** and thinking that we are all ****ing idiots.

Heated ****ing seats are not available in the US of ****ing A???????
I guess those poor people in the northern states are frozen to their ****ing vehicles during their winters.

This country needs a good kick in the ass, we are getting raped, left and right.

[dotcalamitie]

That boils my blood. They are crooks. $100,000 for a 2006 M6? You can buy a brand new 2008 M6 for $95,000 in the US. I continue to enjoy my 2008 Tribeca and 2007 Prius import. I'm saving $5,000 a month right now on lease payments I used to make. The Canadian car industry turned this enthusiast into someone who now views a car as going from A to B. They can steal someone elses money. I'm now excited about getting a 2009 Prius and instead of spending six figures for a car, I'll spend $30,000. The Canadian auto industry will it take it up the arse when the leased vehicles come in next year. That will be their payback.

[RRKnight]

Chalk up another Outback for Van Bortel!

I originally was planning on importing an Impreza, and had almost closed the deal when the immobilizer requirement changed... It was a bit of a shocker, but it didn't slow me down much. Instead I turned my attention to the Outback. And when all is said and done, I'm very happy that I went with the Outback instead!

Great choice, I was amaze by the handling of my outback in this past Sunday winter storm. I had full traction and it performed like a charm. I was going up and down hills with 20cm of snow with no traction problems at all. In fact, I like driving in snow now and want more to come for this winter.:D

Oh yeah, the blizzaks I have on the outback also helped out big time compare to the crappy OEM potenza.

[shopper-X]

No resale value?

That's a hoot. Those BMW guys can't even get their stories consistent.

The dealer is selling the BMW for $99,900.

My point exactly. All these auto makers/dealers are just Hypocrites.

[Cars4Canadians]

I hope those BMW glass palaces burn down to the ground and shatter one of these days....... they are crooks, i hope they burn in hell along with all the other car makes that gouge us to the max :)

[Apocolipse]

Well, I was originally going to spend my 12k on a used car locally here in Burlington, but from the sounds of it I should go to Buffalo or something to pick up a used mustang.

[RRKnight]

Well, I was originally going to spend my 12k on a used car locally here in Burlington, but from the sounds of it I should go to Buffalo or something to pick up a used mustang.

With 12K, you can get a 2006 Mustang

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp;?tracktype=usedcc&searchType=78&pageNumber=0&numResultsPerPage=50&largeNumResultsPerPage=0&sortorder=descending&sortfield=PRICE+descending&certifiedOnly=false&criteria=K-%7CE-ANY%7CM-_14_%7CB-13000%7CH-%7CD-_179_%7CN-N%7CR-500%7CI-1%7CP-PRICE+descending%7CQ-descending%7CX-popular%7CZ-14304&aff=national&paId=246321816&recnum=14&leadExists=true

or a 2005 mustang in NJ.

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp;?tracktype=usedcc&searchType=78&pageNumber=0&numResultsPerPage=50&largeNumResultsPerPage=0&sortorder=descending&sortfield=PRICE+descending&certifiedOnly=false&criteria=K-%7CE-ANY%7CM-_14_%7CB-13000%7CH-%7CD-_179_%7CN-N%7CR-500%7CI-1%7CP-PRICE+descending%7CQ-descending%7CX-popular%7CZ-14304&aff=national&paId=247788532&recnum=24&leadExists=true

[BeeBee]

Great choice, I was amaze by the handling of my outback in this past Sunday winter storm. I had full traction and it performed like a charm. I was going up and down hills with 20cm of snow with no traction problems at all. In fact, I like driving in snow now and want more to come for this winter.:D

Oh yeah, the blizzaks I have on the outback also helped out big time compare to the crappy OEM potenza.

Hehe, same here. I really enjoyed by the performance of my Outback (with Dunlop snow tires) this Sunday. :D :D Well, I wouldn't mind more snow if I don't have to shovel. :evil: :evil:

[Ventrick]

My Legacy's OEM Yokohama Advans handled Sundays snow with ease.

[rf134a]

Does anyone know how permanent US plates work? I know U-haul has Tennessee or some other US state plates on all their units since Tennessee doesn't give a rat's ass what shape the vehicles are in as long as the registration fee is paid.

I'm thinking of buying a Tribeca from Portland and permanently registering it with Oregon plates and insured with Meloche Monnex for 85% use in Canada & 15% in the US. Whether or not I go through the import process is irrelevant.

[zircon]

Im sure toyota has now axed the Canadian warranty honouring... The dealers are getting mighty upset with US buyers. Im still ready to buy in the US and I was using www.importcar2canada.com (http://www.importcar2canada.com) to accumulate info on how to know if your vehicle has a warranty usable in Canada. Im happy to report Jetta's are on the list!

The only reason why Toyo honours their warranty is because some yanks were successfully suing them when they dishonoured cars imported from Canada a decade ago. They settled by agreeing to honour across North America.

I was happy to see the lower car sales in Canada, but didn't we already know this from new stories ~Dec8 when all automakers release sales numbers? I am amazed people are buying trucks since they and luxury models have the highest profits.

Picked up a Sirius radio in the states on the weekend, and purchased a lifetime membership. Amazing thing is when I went to activate the account in the USA, using the number on my radio box, I got connected to Sirius Canada. They put me in touch with the yank side. Even here, costs are substantially lower in the USA. It included about 8 Canadian stations, including 2-3 French ones and Communist Broadcasting Corp stations I didn't want. Wish I had never waited for this system.

[cinqhoda]

Im sure toyota has now axed the Canadian warranty honouring... The dealers are getting mighty upset with US buyers. Im still ready to buy in the US and I was using www.importcar2canada.com (http://www.importcar2canada.com) to accumulate info on how to know if your vehicle has a warranty useable in Canada. Im happy to report Jetta's are on the list!

What is your source of information regarding Toyota's warranty policy?

[Pixy]

I read that local news papers failing to publish consumer side of the story. Well I do understand that they get dd revenue from dealers, manufacturers and union etc. Well we can try to get into www.consumerist.com. They cover and publish most of the consumer complaints and shops', chains', manufacturers' unfair tactics. Site is US based but known for their consumerist view. We can write up and try to get it publish on it. It may get picked up by mainstream internet news agencies.

[mdbuffy]

By responding to today's request of www.carswithoutborders.com you can help ensure that the wishes of the general public are known to Lawrence Cannon, the Minister of Transport and that the vehicles of the people whose cars have been affected by the TC relying on the auto manufacturers to say which cars are admissable and inadmissable. The more calls that are received by the Minister's office, the greater chance RFD'ers have of seeing total motor vehicle safety harmonization with the US which will take away the non-tariff barrier that Transport Canada has given to the auto manufacturers.

This is an opportunity for you to help level the playing field.

Please give it a shot...express your dissatisfaction with the way the carswithout borders people have been treated and with the failure of Transport Canada to harmonize notwithstanding their having had five years to do so. The draft minutes of a meeting held two weeks ago between carswithoutborders and Transport Canada indicated that Transport Canada was not willing to harmonize on all of the safety issues. WHY?????

[Quick_lude]

I crossed at Queenston/Lewiston last Monday and fax worked fine for me then. You can call 1-716-282-1500 and listen to recorded message to confirm it still tells you to Fax.
I crossed on Dec 2nd with our Outback from Manchester. I also had the title and intent to export letter faxed, she actually couldn't find it and was irked. She said that I should have called to confirm that the fax was received and the car was "in the system" Nonetheless, she processed me through and I was out of there in 10 mins.

Got the Blizzak Revo's down there too, the Outback was great in the storm yesterday, didn't even have to shovel the driveway to get out. :cheesygri

[DSTU]

Thanks for your note. I'd be happy to correct the misinformation and misunderstanding here.

As the volume of US mports has increased, we have discovered more compliance issues. Day Time Running Lights are a Federal Government regulatory requirement, not a manufacturer requirement. These have to be activated properly to be in compliance with the law, and turning them on via the software does not meet the regulation. As one of the few manufacturers that honour the full warranty on imported cars through the regular warranty system, BMW Group Canada needs to ensure that any imported cars are in compliance and warrantable. This protects the consumer, the retailer and BMW Group Canada. There have been instances of imported cars with tampered odometers, forged vins, flood/hurricane cars etc, so this is a serious matter. We just had an instance of a customer that bought what they thought was a 39,000 mile US car and still under warranty, which turned out to be a 139,000 mile car. And we've found that US sellers of these vehicles do not understand Canadian regulations, and frankly aren't that motivated to learn them or inform buyers if they have a Canadian with cheque book open ready to buy.

As a result of improper modifications, we were incurring considerable expense due to vehicle faults that required unnecessary warranty repairs. The alternative would have been to void the warranty on all imported cars; however, that would not have been customer oriented at all. Our process ensures that Canadians can make an upfront informed decision and understand the costs and timing involved, and that any imported car is in compliance. This is cost centre for BMW Group Canada, and based on the time, effort and resources being spent on it, the costs should actually be higher - its not just a letter being produced.


We do encourage Canadians to buy from their local Canadian retailers. When one looks at all of the costs, lack of financing programs, lower resale value of US cars, the perceived savings of importing a US vehicle is much less than what people initially believe. With nearly 24,000 new BMWs sold this year, less than 500 will be imported, so most Canadians continue to see the benefits of supporting their local BMW retailer based on value and service.


Thanks for your feedback, and I encourage you to visit your local BMW retailer to get all of the facts, which will allow you to make an informed decision. I'd also appreciate you passing on the facts to your friends and acquaintances.

[Cars4Canadians]

Letters like that makes one think who the idiots are, the people pushing such garbage, or the people that actually would belive this ****.


Thanks for your note. I'd be happy to correct the misinformation and misunderstanding here.

As the volume of US mports has increased, we have discovered more compliance issues. Day Time Running Lights are a Federal Government regulatory requirement, not a manufacturer requirement. These have to be activated properly to be in compliance with the law, and turning them on via the software does not meet the regulation. As one of the few manufacturers that honour the full warranty on imported cars through the regular warranty system, BMW Group Canada needs to ensure that any imported cars are in compliance and warrantable. This protects the consumer, the retailer and BMW Group Canada. There have been instances of imported cars with tampered odometers, forged vins, flood/hurricane cars etc, so this is a serious matter. We just had an instance of a customer that bought what they thought was a 39,000 mile US car and still under warranty, which turned out to be a 139,000 mile car. And we've found that US sellers of these vehicles do not understand Canadian regulations, and frankly aren't that motivated to learn them or inform buyers if they have a Canadian with cheque book open ready to buy.

As a result of improper modifications, we were incurring considerable expense due to vehicle faults that required unnecessary warranty repairs. The alternative would have been to void the warranty on all imported cars; however, that would not have been customer oriented at all. Our process ensures that Canadians can make an upfront informed decision and understand the costs and timing involved, and that any imported car is in compliance. This is cost centre for BMW Group Canada, and based on the time, effort and resources being spent on it, the costs should actually be higher - its not just a letter being produced.


We do encourage Canadians to buy from their local Canadian retailers. When one looks at all of the costs, lack of financing programs, lower resale value of US cars, the perceived savings of importing a US vehicle is much less than what people initially believe. With nearly 24,000 new BMWs sold this year, less than 500 will be imported, so most Canadians continue to see the benefits of supporting their local BMW retailer based on value and service.


Thanks for your feedback, and I encourage you to visit your local BMW retailer to get all of the facts, which will allow you to make an informed decision. I'd also appreciate you passing on the facts to your friends and acquaintances.

[WalterQ]

Not sure if this was posted yet - from 14/12/07 newspaper story ... should endear themselves to many and boost business ... NOT


Hyundai Canada has joined the ranks of Canadian auto manufacturers refusing to provide warranty coverage to vehicles imported or cross-border shopped from the U.S. by Canadian citizens. In a recent communication with its dealer group, Hyundai announced that effective immediately, dealer service departments would no longer be reimbursed by their Canadian head office for warranty repairs on such vehicles. The directive suggests that dealers offer to complete the repairs at the customer's expense or instruct the vehicle owner to return to the U.S. to have the repairs completed by an American dealer. When asked why the sudden departure from the past practice of treating U.S. vehicles as if they had Canadian warranty coverage, Barb Pitblado, public relations manager for Hyundai Canada, stated "the company had simply chosen to follow their published policy in regards to only covering vehicles designed for and sold in the Canadian market." She also said that a sudden and substantial increase in the number of warranty claims for U.S. vehicles imported into Canada was a factor in her company's decision. When asked what current owners who purchased their vehicles with the understanding that they would receive warranty coverage here in Canada, Ms. Pitblado offered that they could contact Hyundai Motors America at 1-800-633-5151 for direction and advice. She concluded by adding Hyundai Canada would still offer repair coverage on a goodwill basis to visiting U.S. vehicles whose owners were travelling in Canada as part of a temporary stay, provided the vehicle is registered and licensed in the U.S. She also stated Hyundai Canada would cover warranty repairs on any vehicle purchased in the U.S. by a U.S. citizen who subsequently relocated to Canada as part of a job change or family move.[/I]

[spdztr]

Not sure if this was posted yet - from 14/12/07 newspaper story ... should endear themselves to many and boost business ... NOT


Hyundai Canada has joined the ranks of Canadian auto manufacturers refusing to provide warranty coverage to vehicles imported or cross-border shopped from the U.S. by Canadian citizens. In a recent communication with its dealer group, Hyundai announced that effective immediately, dealer service departments would no longer be reimbursed by their Canadian head office for warranty repairs on such vehicles. The directive suggests that dealers offer to complete the repairs at the customer's expense or instruct the vehicle owner to return to the U.S. to have the repairs completed by an American dealer. When asked why the sudden departure from the past practice of treating U.S. vehicles as if they had Canadian warranty coverage, Barb Pitblado, public relations manager for Hyundai Canada, stated "the company had simply chosen to follow their published policy in regards to only covering vehicles designed for and sold in the Canadian market." She also said that a sudden and substantial increase in the number of warranty claims for U.S. vehicles imported into Canada was a factor in her company's decision. When asked what current owners who purchased their vehicles with the understanding that they would receive warranty coverage here in Canada, Ms. Pitblado offered that they could contact Hyundai Motors America at 1-800-633-5151 for direction and advice. She concluded by adding Hyundai Canada would still offer repair coverage on a goodwill basis to visiting U.S. vehicles whose owners were travelling in Canada as part of a temporary stay, provided the vehicle is registered and licensed in the U.S. She also stated Hyundai Canada would cover warranty repairs on any vehicle purchased in the U.S. by a U.S. citizen who subsequently relocated to Canada as part of a job change or family move.[/I]

I actually called Hyundai USA yesterday to register my Santa Fe, and the lady I spoke to said that there is still a lot of uncertainty with regards to the warranty issues. Basically she told me the same thing as above - preferred to take the car to the US for warranty work, but also if you want to get work done here, just call them first (Hyundai USA), and get approval for the work, and then we'll get reimbursed. This is similar to what Subaru is doing now.

[jwstewart]

That boils my blood. They are crooks. $100,000 for a 2006 M6? You can buy a brand new 2008 M6 for $95,000 in the US. I continue to enjoy my 2008 Tribeca and 2007 Prius import. I'm saving $5,000 a month right now on lease payments I used to make. The Canadian car industry turned this enthusiast into someone who now views a car as going from A to B. They can steal someone elses money.

I beleive you should re-invest the $5000 per month in this vehicle.

http://www.c-cyachts.com/model/model_view.aspx?UID=8b6135c5-99da-4cfb-a8b9-70b1e0992368&MUID=f05cd349-0c94-4242-acbe-57cecf698341

[bionicbadger]

Basically she told me the same thing as above - preferred to take the car to the US for warranty work, but also if you want to get work done here, just call them first (Hyundai USA), and get approval for the work, and then we'll get reimbursed. This is similar to what Subaru is doing now.

Except for subaru you dont need to call first for pre-approval.

[yyz2hkg]

I actually called Hyundai USA yesterday to register my Santa Fe, and the lady I spoke to said that there is still a lot of uncertainty with regards to the warranty issues. Basically she told me the same thing as above - preferred to take the car to the US for warranty work, but also if you want to get work done here, just call them first (Hyundai USA), and get approval for the work, and then we'll get reimbursed. This is similar to what Subaru is doing now.

I emailed Hyundai a while back regarding Warranty issues. I have a email stating that there is a full warranty on U.S vehicles imported into Canada. So, theoretically speaking, can I show them that email if I was to still go ahead and purchase a Hyundai since I have it in writing?

[Danno2005]

I emailed Hyundai a while back regarding Warranty issues. I have a email stating that there is a full warranty on U.S vehicles imported into Canada. So, theoretically speaking, can I show them that email if I was to still go ahead and purchase a Hyundai since I have it in writing?

Best you ask that same person from Hyundai Canada that sent the e-mail that question.

[orion747]

Ah...thanks for clarifying. I thought the difference might be due to different testing environment, but it's such a huge difference.

So, the Rav4 V6 is about 20% more fuel efficient compared to the Tribeca, but it uses premium fuel that costs 10% more. To summarize, the Rav4 V6 cost about 10% less to run. :D

This is totally wrong - the Toyota RAV4 V6 runs on REGULAR gas. In addition to being 20% more fuel efficient (by your calcs) it's also 6% more powerful.

"Fuel type Regular"

http://www.canadiandriver.com/overviews/2007/toyota/rav4.php

Toyota has put one hell of a motor in the RAV... too bad it's got that lousy barn door in the rear, no NAV, and a weird interior....

[ac328]

After an 11.5 hour blitz from Seattle, Washington, through Idaho and BC, I am proud to report that my new 2008 Subaru Outback 2.5XT 5 Speed manual is now home in Calgary.

Already have my new Alberta licence plate. Very quick and easy. The registry guy told me I was the 5th person he had processed that day bringing a car in from the US.

For anyone coming back to Calgary from Seattle I highly recommend the Eastport, Idaho crossing (just like fellow RFDer smokiebk used). Fast, efficient and open 24/7.

I'm still waiting for my form 2, faxed the form 1 and recall letter from the dealer to RIV yesterday. RIV told me to call back Weds or Thurs. Hopefully I can get the RIV stuff out of the way soon.

[BeeBee]

This is totally wrong - the Toyota RAV4 V6 runs on REGULAR gas. In addition to being 20% more fuel efficient (by your calcs) it's also 6% more powerful.

"Fuel type Regular"

http://www.canadiandriver.com/overviews/2007/toyota/rav4.php

Toyota has put one hell of a motor in the RAV... too bad it's got that lousy barn door in the rear, no NAV, and a weird interior....

Rav4 made after 2006 are automatic asymmetric AWD (part time AWD), whereas the Tribeca is full time asymmetric AWD. That could explain why Rav4 have better fuel consumption since it is a 2WD most of the time.

http://4x4abc.com/4WD101/4WD-AWD-autoAWD.html

[ac328]

Rav4 made after 2006 are automatic asymmetric AWD (part time AWD), whereas the Tribeca is full time asymmetric AWD. That could explain why Rav4 have better fuel consumption since it is a 2WD most of the time.

http://4x4abc.com/4WD101/4WD-AWD-autoAWD.html

I think one of the biggest reasons is that the Tribeca weighs 500lbs more than the RAV4. (Info from toyota.ca and subaru.ca: 3650 vs. 4180).

More Weight = More Gas Consumed (ask any full size SUV driver).

My new Outback is lighter than either of those two and more aerodynamic too. Coming back from picking the car up from the dealer on Sunday I averaged about 9.5l/100km with a mix of interstate and two lane driving, some stop and go, 1,100km drive. Better than my BMW X3 by at least 10 to 20%, I would estimate.

[EL820]

This is totally wrong - the Toyota RAV4 V6 runs on REGULAR gas. In addition to being 20% more fuel efficient (by your calcs) it's also 6% more powerful.

"Fuel type Regular"

http://www.canadiandriver.com/overviews/2007/toyota/rav4.php

Toyota has put one hell of a motor in the RAV... too bad it's got that lousy barn door in the rear, no NAV, and a weird interior....

Do you actually have the vehicle, or are you going by the Canadian Driver article? Maybe the article is only referring the the I4 only, or maybe the journalist didn't do all the research on the vehicle before pushing the article to the press.

Originally, I was very interested in purchasing the Rav4 V6 and I did a lot of research. One of my main concern was the type of fuel it uses...mainly didn't want a vehicle that uses premium. I made a few calls to dealerships, and they all confirmed the V6 model consumes premium gas. When I took the car out for a test drive, the sales rep confirmed that the V6 uses premium.

I called a Toyota service just now...and guess what, he told me the Rav4 V6 uses premium gas.

Maybe someone here who has the Rav4 V6 can clear the air: premium or regular.

[thegradas]

Outback = lighter but +20% fuel thirstier than RAV4
Subaru must work on their engines (CAFE :rolleyes: ), not only on their AWD performance.


I think one of the biggest reasons is that the Tribeca weighs 500lbs more than the RAV4. (Info from toyota.ca and subaru.ca: 3650 vs. 4180).

More Weight = More Gas Consumed (ask any full size SUV driver).

My new Outback is lighter than either of those two and more aerodynamic too. Coming back from picking the car up from the dealer on Sunday I averaged about 9.5l/100km with a mix of interstate and two lane driving, some stop and go, 1,100km drive. Better than my BMW X3 by at least 10 to 20%, I would estimate.

[gibson00]

Well, I just got my new 2008 Ford Edge SEL AWD from Maine. The process was extremely easy. The dealership in Bangor has already been selling lots to Canadians, and they are familiar with the paperwork, deliver the paperwork to the border for you a few days in advance (required), and they even drove the vehicle to the border to give to me, and filled it with gas when they got there.
20 minutes max at each the US border and Canadian border.
That was on Saturday. RIV faxed me my form 2 today.
I think I just have to take it in to Canadian Tire now to get checked and have Daytime lights programmed, etc.
I'd estimate I'll have saved somewhere in the range of $8000 by buying from the US.
Now I just have to hope that Ford doesn't decide to stop honoring warranties...

[RRKnight]

Outback = lighter but +20% fuel thirstier than RAV4
Subaru must work on their engines (CAFE :rolleyes: ), not only on their AWD performance.

The last time I check, Subaru is rated 2nd most reliable car company after Honda. Toyota was in the 5th spot.

[thelefteyeguy]

Outback = lighter but +20% fuel thirstier than RAV4
Subaru must work on their engines (CAFE :rolleyes: ), not only on their AWD performance.

RAV4: Front engine front-wheel drive or Electronic On-Demand 4-wheel drive (4WD)

OUTBACK: all time AWD

:|


there's a reason why it consumes more gas....


btw...let's keep this thread clean with assisting RFDers with importing cars (create a new thread to compare cars)

[blazerzr2]

There doesn't seem to be many U.S. Ford Dealers close to the G.T.A. that will sell (at a reasonably good price below msrp) to us Canadians. I got a couple of quotes on a Ford Escape Limited , but they did not seem to impress me with their "one and only price" strategy. Besides the previous poster who purchased in Maine, does/has anyone imported a Ford from a "close to the GTA" US dealer? If so, can you please share your experience/savings?

I'm still on the fence between a Subaru (Tribeca/Legacy/Outback) or a Ford Escape LTD.

Thanks all.

[acg1978]

As somebody who owns the car (2007) I can confirm that the recommended fuel is 87 octane. I have read on the internet a few reports of people getting better gas milage using 89 and even 91 BUT the manual says 87 octane is sufficient.

Do you actually have the vehicle, or are you going by the Canadian Driver article? Maybe the article is only referring the the I4 only, or maybe the journalist didn't do all the research on the vehicle before pushing the article to the press.

Originally, I was very interested in purchasing the Rav4 V6 and I did a lot of research. One of my main concern was the type of fuel it uses...mainly didn't want a vehicle that uses premium. I made a few calls to dealerships, and they all confirmed the V6 model consumes premium gas. When I took the car out for a test drive, the sales rep confirmed that the V6 uses premium.

I called a Toyota service just now...and guess what, he told me the Rav4 V6 uses premium gas.

Maybe someone here who has the Rav4 V6 can clear the air: premium or regular.

[gibson00]

There doesn't seem to be many U.S. Ford Dealers close to the G.T.A. that will sell (at a reasonably good price below msrp) to us Canadians. I got a couple of quotes on a Ford Escape Limited , but they did not seem to impress me with their "one and only price" strategy. Besides the previous poster who purchased in Maine, does/has anyone imported a Ford from a "close to the GTA" US dealer? If so, can you please share your experience/savings?

I'm still on the fence between a Subaru (Tribeca/Legacy/Outback) or a Ford Escape LTD.

Thanks all.

For the record, I didn't get a price much lower than MSRP, probably only about $400 under, and I didn't qualify for any of the Ford Rebates since the car wasn't going to be registered in the US. But even taking that into consideration, I still saved a bundle, at least 8k.

[the Bez]

As somebody who owns the car (2007) I can confirm that the recommended fuel is 87 octane. I have read on the internet a few reports of people getting better gas milage using 89 and even 91 BUT the manual says 87 octane is sufficient.

This is correct. Check out the following link from Toyota.com:

FAQ's (http://toyota.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/toyota.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=5195&p_created=1120236647&p_sid=GTGyzxTi&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX 3Jvd19jbnQ9ODgmcF9wcm9kcz0mcF9jYXRzPSZwX3B2PSZwX2N 2PSZwX3NlYXJjaF90eXBlPWFuc3dlcnMuc2VhcmNoX25sJnBfc GFnZT0xJnBfc2VhcmNoX3RleHQ9cmF2IDQ*&p_li=&p_topview=1)

Octane Rating

Question
What is the minimum octane rating gasoline that I should use in my vehicle?

Answer
You can find the recommended fuel octane rating for your vehicle on the back cover of your Owner's Manual. Our current model year vehicles have the following unleaded fuel octane rating recommendations:

MODEL OCTANE
4Runner 87

Avalon 87*

Camry
4 Cylinder/Hybrid 87
V6 87

Corolla 87

FJ Cruiser 91

Highlander
V6/Hybrid 87

Land Cruiser 87

Matrix 87

Prius 87

RAV4
4 Cylinder 87
V6 87

Sequoia 87

Sienna 87

Solara
4 Cylinder 87
V6 87*

Tacoma
4 Cylinder 87
V6 87

Tundra 87

Yaris 87

* For improved vehicle performance, the use of premium unleaded gasoline with an octane rating of 91 or higher is recommended.

[EL820]

As somebody who owns the car (2007) I can confirm that the recommended fuel is 87 octane. I have read on the internet a few reports of people getting better gas milage using 89 and even 91 BUT the manual says 87 octane is sufficient.

I was researching on the Rav4 V6 when it first came out. I made a few calls to a few local GTA dealers and they all confirmed that the V6 runs on premium gas which was a concern to me. As I mentioned earlier...I called a Toyota dealer service rep today and he told me the V6 uses premium.

I was really sold on the V6 engine too...but I really hate that antena on the front fender.

Oh well...too late for me, my Tribeca is really for pick up. :D


Oh yes, thanks for clearing up the air on the issue.

[NAFTAGO]

Hey Guys,

Just read some comments here where people were asked to send their original title to the U.S. customs. I am planning to drive it through Lewiston crossings.

Is it true? I am getting the dealer to fedex me all the document. Should i go and drop it off at US customs? or mail it ? Or faxing still works.

Anyone done it in last few days?

Thanks,

Hi there,
I just imported a car yesterday and Queenston accepts faxes. Don't know who is claiming the opposite. Complete story in the postings that will follow with the whole story.

[rsauve]

Just reading GM ad in local paper here in St. John's (probably across Canada also) -- 2008 Uplander is $18,998 in Canada vs. $20934 in U.S. (freight not included in both). Is this legit??
If so - will the competition be far behind?

[ac328]

Outback = lighter but +20% fuel thirstier than RAV4
Subaru must work on their engines (CAFE :rolleyes: ), not only on their AWD performance.

My colleague at work has a 2007 RAV4 V6. She is complaining it only gets 300km on a 60 litre fill-up of gas on city driving. 20l/100km is not great fuel economy in my book (or anyone's book).

The Toyota dealer at first told her this was perfectly normal. After some debate now they say the engine block should be replaced!

So where do you get 20% thirstier for an Outback from????

[RRKnight]

Outback = lighter but +20% fuel thirstier than RAV4
Subaru must work on their engines (CAFE :rolleyes: ), not only on their AWD performance.

Base on Fuel Economy government website, both outback 4cyl and Rav4 4Cyl have the same fuel economy. Not sure where you get +20% fuel thirstier?

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/sbs.htm

[DSTU]

Just reading GM ad in local paper here in St. John's (probably across Canada also) -- 2008 Uplander is $18,998 in Canada vs. $20934 in U.S. (freight not included in both). Is this legit??
If so - will the competition be far behind?

They are using the cheapest possible price in Canada, ie pay cash and get no other discounts VS the highest possible price in the US witht he worst credit rating for leasing/financing.

Pure Marketing BS.

[ac328]

They are using the cheapest possible price in Canada, ie pay cash and get no other discounts VS the highest possible price in the US witht he worst credit rating for leasing/financing.

Pure Marketing BS.

+1

Is that US MSRP? If so I can tell you no-one pays MSRP in the US unless it's something rare and in high demand (e.g. Audi R8).

Especially for a fourth-rate POS like the Uplander, that thing will have incentives on it in the US like it comes with a free case of the plague or something.

[NAFTAGO]

Hi everyone,
First of all thanks to everyone: thanks to you I am the envy of my friends with a brown Outback 2.5i paying less almost $4K than the KIA sportage that i was going to buy.

Since this thread's reason of being is to help importers, here it goes my experience and what I think valuable information:
I will do this in a few postings to keep them to the point:
Hope this is not taken as spam but will mention some dealers/names.

Since my time was limited I only considered:

Karl at Van Bortel: Best price overal; but too far for me and the distance complicated thing for me. Great option if you are going for a loaded vehicle.

Martin at West Herr-Orchard Park (kind of Southeast from Buffalo), Great experience with the quoting process and they would pick you up at the Bus station at Buffalo.

Jesse at Northtown-Amherst, NY (kind of northeast from Buffalo) I decided to go with him due to a better price, but most importantly they had in stock wha t I wanted.

Needless to say that VB is the least expensive, and West Herr, and Northbound are within a few dollars, is almost pertosnality and chemistry.

Thank you all again for your time.

In my case I decided to drive once to choose the car and test drove it. Left a deposit and got the VIN. In my case decided to go back to TO via Queenston to see EXACTLY where the "Red Door" was and to deliver a copy of the MSO in person. By the time I arrived they had got already the fax copy from Northtown and I was able to sleep soundly until I picked up the car.
More info in the next posting.

[NAFTAGO]

There are two options an 8:30 greyhound bus

And a Coach Canada departing at 6:45AM (The one I took was actually a Greyhound bus) it stops at St. Catharines at Niagara Falls. The arrival time is posted at 9:10 but the REAL ONE was 10:20. I would make an appointment with whoever is picking you up at 10:15 or 10:30 and you should be fine.
The ticket one way was $23, return is less than double, and got the ticket one way since I told them that I was going to pick up the car and declared the bank draft and didn't even have to fill up a form.

According to the border officers if the document has a dealership as a payee you do not need to fill anything. You only have to when the payee is a person.

You have to be at Bay and Dundas 30 mins prior to departure. No coffee shops are open at that time, so either make your coffee and bring it na a thermos or take a cab and make a stop at a 24hrs place. No traffic and lineups at that time.

[NAFTAGO]

After negotiating the price over the phone and mail. I drove to the dealership test drove the car ( 2 miles on it yipee) and left a deposit. I left with the VIN to provide to my insurance company In addition to a copy of the documents that they were going to fax to the US border.

As you are driving towards the Canadian side and BEFORE you reach the duty-free store on your right there is a "Y" as the road turns slightly towards the left. You have to be driving on the left lane. SLOW DOWN. At the distance you will see some parked cars, take the left arm of the "Y". and pretty much as soon as you reach the parked cars turn a 90 degree turn to your left and about 100m away at the distance you will see a red door suspended about 3 metres above the ground on the side of the only building that you can see. That's where you need to go.

If you miss the "Y" keep slowing down (watch for cars behind you) and about 70 metres after the "Y" and with the begining of the parking lot of the Duty free on your right, you will see an 90 Degree entrance on your left. Take it!
Is a tight entrance and you have to be going a around 20 km/h or so. That's why you have to be driving very slowly, don't want to be rear-ended.
Once you take that turn you will be in the parking lot and the red door should be about 100m away but you should be able to see it.
In both cases you will cross all the lanes entering the US so be careful.

Park the car in the parking lot. There are always trailers parked over there. go through the red door, take the red door on your left (there is a sign on it) and then walk 4 meters and take the hallway on your left. walk 3 metres and US customs is on your right.
There are signs for it.

They DO take faxes as of Monday Dec 17.
Probably this has been posted but just want to help the ones behind me. Just like the ones before me did.

[NAFTAGO]

When I was about to drop the "Certificate of Origin" at Queenston; I missed the turn-s (see prior post) and had to get in line for over one hour to get into Canada. When I got to the booth the border officer asked what had I purchased and told him that I had just put a deposit on a car.
Then he told me that the US customs was not taking faxes anymore ( who keeps spreading this FALSE rumour, I wonder) and since I had the paper with me he advised me to go back to the US and drop them in person. He kindly proceeded to give me a yellow page with instructions on it. Went to the CAD Customs building and after giiving it to an officer, I got back into the car and the officer lifted a chain and let me take a U turn and go back to the US. When I reached the border booth I told the American Officer what the Canadian peer had told me and after 15 mins of deliberation with two other agents that were passing by we agreed that the CAD officer was wrong and I left the booth with the sweetest taste in my mouth after having 3 US agents helping me, Fantastic service if I may say. Then One of the officers pointed out the red door, and warned me to be careful with the incoming traffic and congratulated me on the new car.

I got to US Customs, they had received my documents already so I left in less than 3 mins. I then Decided to try my luck crossing at Niagara Falls instead of getting inline again for over one hour an a half ( the line started almost at the duty free-shop at that point) and when crossing at Niagara falls there was ONE car infront of me.

I tell all this because when I crossed in my new Outback one week later, the Canadian border officer that kindly told me that US Customs was not taking Faxes anymore. Was the very same that filled up my Form one at the CAD Customs building. When I mentioned what had happened one week before he didn't reply at all. 2 mins later I had payed and was out of there.

I leave this to you to make your own conclusions.

[NAFTAGO]

If I had a bumber sticker that said:

"Got this Outback 2.5i from the US; ask me how"

This would be the answer:

Took the 6:45 Am bus from Toronto to Buffalo.
Salesman picked me up in his own Forester at 10:20
Left dealership at 12:20
Reached US Customs, got the Certificate of Origin stamped in less than 10 mins.
Reached CAD Customs. nobody infront of me (3 outbacks parked outside though) payed GST, AC tax, got Form 1 and Address to RIV ( I had forgotten it at home)


Took QEW slowly changing speed from 40-60 miles/hr to break down engine. until 427 North, then took Burnarthorpe exit. turned left at The west Mall and turned right at the first traffic light and immediately another right to get into the parking lot. Arrive to RIV on the 5th floor. Lots of people, behind me. Payed $206.70 and left the building with Form 2 at 4:00.

Payed for parking at a machine. downstairs at the main floor on the way to the parking lot. RIV doesn't stamp the ticket anymore.

I took 427 South exit at The Queensway, took the Queensway East (left turn) and at the second light ( I think ) there is a gas station and a CAnadian tire on the left. Turn left, then after the gas station turn right and drive around the boxy building of Canadian tire, turn right, then right again and you will be infront of the Service department of CT. Took form 2 and after waiting in line for 20 mins, the FANTASTIC GUY did the inspection at the parking lot, went back, he gave me Form 1 stamped.

Drove south through the parking lot and then took a right at The queensway, then after one or two lights ( can't remember) took a right and after 5 mins of driving north I reached Cloverdale Mall.

As you can tell I am not familiar with the area. Arrived to the MVO at 4:53 (they close at 5 Pm and not, I am not kidding, and yes I was running!)

Left the MVO at 5:26 with registration, plates and a plate sticker good until 2009!

After that I grabbed "Breakfast" at the food court and got home.
I didn't stop to eat at all and yet I slept like a baby. I will do it again if you save me $13,000

I can say that I "worked" for my car and saved money, saw the Falls many times. learned a lot and didn't buy an overpriced car in Canada. I am very proud of my car, and intend to keep it for many years. Arriving to TO in an outback was the best "Christening" I just drove normally while I was watching everybody getting stuck and spinning the wheels all around me.

Thank you everyone.
P.S. My Subaru-Hyundai dealer says that they wont be allowed to sell Hyundai-s to Canadians in January and that Subaru will remove the Cash rebate to Canadians making them $1500 or $1250 more expensive (depending on the model) which means that instead of saving $13K or more you will save $11.5K is it worth it for you??

P.S. I went to a TO Subaru dealer to chose the colour in person and the salesman keeps calling me but hasn't reached me, waiting to make phone contact with him and telling him that I got one for $13k less but that I will be seeing him for service work............Priceless!

Want to buy a car from the States at a fair price?
Do it!
Is easy, cheap and exciting.
I think I will almost miss checking the RIV Possibly-Maybe-who knows-Admissible list.

To Car Makers:
Incentive yourselves and LOWER the prices in Canada NOW!

Thanks you everyone for all the help, for being the pioneers and for making so much noise.

The Canadian Car sales numbers are bleeding and although they are hiding it. The truth is there:
My dealership selling about 70 cars per month to Canadians.
During my one hour linup to get to Canada on a Monday at 2 PM I counted one blue corvette 5 Tribecas and 3 Outbacks.
At the US customs (On Monday again) I saw 5 cars, at CAD Customs I saw 5 cars at RIV one hour lineup and at CT the guy told me that he had done 4 Outbacks that day. At MVO they just saw my Form 1 and said: Importing??

And Des Rossiers, the media and "everybody" says that Is not worth it?
Tell that to my wife who is driving the car now and forgave me in two seconds after endless talks (to be pronounced rants) of immobilizers, admissibilities and price disparity.

I am a happy man, with a brand new car, and the only guy in the block that is sleeping extra 20 mins because I can just leave with a clean car to work in the morning since I am the only one that can drive through the snow in the alley.

Thanks you all.
Once again.

[GregGH]

Hello Guys ....Hey -- Lewiston Queenston is well documented in www.carburner.com --what part of this am I missing ....

www.carburner.com was started by the same guy who started this thread some 740 pages ago --go back and see....

www.carburner.com --tells you what you need to know -- I know - because I posted the image for the US customs and someone else added the arrows

Maybe we didn't need 700 pages --if more read the wiki -- www.carburner.com

Greg
LS430 thru Lewiston Queenston
Corvette vert C6 thru Detroit

[Monsieurmaggot]

If I had a bumber sticker that said:

"Got this Outback 2.5i from the US; ask me how"

This would be the answer:

Took the 6:45 Am bus from Toronto to Buffalo.
Salesman picked me up in his own Forester at 10:20
Left dealership at 12:20
Reached US Customs, got the Certificate of Origin stamped in less than 10 mins.
Reached CAD Customs. nobody infront of me (3 outbacks parked outside though) payed GST, AC tax, got Form 1 and Address to RIV ( I had forgotten it at home)


Took QEW slowly changing speed from 40-60 miles/hr to break down engine. until 427 North, then took Burnarthorpe exit. turned left at The west Mall and turned right at the first traffic light and immediately another right to get into the parking lot. Arrive to RIV on the 5th floor. Lots of people, behind me. Payed $206.70 and left the building with Form 2 at 4:00.

Payed for parking at a machine. downstairs at the main floor on the way to the parking lot. RIV doesn't stamp the ticket anymore.

I took 427 South exit at The Queensway, took the Queensway East (left turn) and at the second light ( I think ) there is a gas station and a CAnadian tire on the left. Turn left, then after the gas station turn right and drive around the boxy building of Canadian tire, turn right, then right again and you will be infront of the Service department of CT. Took form 2 and after waiting in line for 20 mins, the FANTASTIC GUY did the inspection at the parking lot, went back, he gave me Form 1 stamped.

Drove south through the parking lot and then took a right at The queensway, then after one or two lights ( can't remember) took a right and after 5 mins of driving north I reached Cloverdale Mall.

As you can tell I am not familiar with the area. Arrived to the MVO at 4:53 (they close at 5 Pm and not, I am not kidding, and yes I was running!)

Left the MVO at 5:26 with registration, plates and a plate sticker good until 2009!

After that I grabbed "Breakfast" at the food court and got home.
I didn't stop to eat at all and yet I slept like a baby. I will do it again if you save me $13,000

I can say that I "worked" for my car and saved money, saw the Falls many times. learned a lot and didn't buy an overpriced car in Canada. I am very proud of my car, and intend to keep it for many years. Arriving to TO in an outback was the best "Christening" I just drove normally while I was watching everybody getting stuck and spinning the wheels all around me.

Thank you everyone.
P.S. My Subaru-Hyundai dealer says that they wont be allowed to sell Hyundai-s to Canadians in January and that Subaru will remove the Cash rebate to Canadians making them $1500 or $1250 more expensive (depending on the model) which means that instead of saving $13K or more you will save $11.5K is it worth it for you??

P.S. I went to a TO Subaru dealer to chose the colour in person and the salesman keeps calling me but hasn't reached me, waiting to make phone contact with him and telling him that I got one for $13k less but that I will be seeing him for service work............Priceless!

Want to buy a car from the States at a fair price?
Do it!
Is easy, cheap and exciting.
I think I will almost miss checking the RIV Possibly-Maybe-who knows-Admissible list.

To Car Makers:
Incentive yourselves and LOWER the prices in Canada NOW!

Thanks you everyone for all the help, for being the pioneers and for making so much noise.

The Canadian Car sales numbers are bleeding and although they are hiding it. The truth is there:
My dealership selling about 70 cars per month to Canadians.
During my one hour linup to get to Canada on a Monday at 2 PM I counted one blue corvette 5 Tribecas and 3 Outbacks.
At the US customs (On Monday again) I saw 5 cars, at CAD Customs I saw 5 cars at RIV one hour lineup and at CT the guy told me that he had done 4 Outbacks that day. At MVO they just saw my Form 1 and said: Importing??

And Des Rossiers, the media and "everybody" says that Is not worth it?
Tell that to my wife who is driving the car now and forgave me in two seconds after endless talks (to be pronounced rants) of immobilizers, admissibilities and price disparity.

I am a happy man, with a brand new car, and the only guy in the block that is sleeping extra 20 mins because I can just leave with a clean car to work in the morning since I am the only one that can drive through the snow in the alley.

Thanks you all.
Once again.

STOP! You're making me blush. I feel like a father watching his child graduate.

Congratulations.

I felt exactly the same way you did.

I also had a great time doing doughnuts in the local mall parking lot on the weekend as most people stayed home (or were stuck) and left it wide open!

Note to self: Doing doughnuts will fill your wheels/rims with snow. Don't be surprised that your car shakes a bit on the highway as the whell balance will be off. I noticed it as I was cruising on the higway afterwards.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Hello Guys ....Hey -- Lewiston Queenston is well documented in www.carburner.com --what part of this am I missing ....

www.carburner.com was started by the same guy who started this thread some 740 pages ago --go back and see....

www.carburner.com --tells you what you need to know -- I know - because I posted the image for the US customs and someone else added the arrows

Maybe we didn't need 700 pages --if more read the wiki -- www.carburner.com

Greg
LS430 thru Lewiston Queenston
Corvette vert C6 thru Detroit

Actually I started this thread only. Zach at Eastside Subaru started www.carburner.com. I have contributed to the site. Most of the pictures on there are my own.

[Fox2k]

Hey naftago,

thanks for the detailed information. Could you please answer some questions though which I wasn't abel to find in your posts (sorry if I missed it)

- How did you handle insurance? Did you arrange for a policy before you left canada, or did you take care of it after taking ownership? Were you insured driving form teh dealership to your home? Could you provide some information on the process you took to arrange for insurance?

- How did you get home with no plates? Did you obtain a temporary driving permit? If so, how, and was it good in both the US and Canada?

I have read a lot of the information in this thread but I am still fuzzy on the process of actually driving your vehicle LEGALLY from the dealer to Canada (plates, insurance, etc).

[Monsieurmaggot]

Hey naftago,

thanks for the detailed information. Could you please answer some questions though which I wasn't abel to find in your posts (sorry if I missed it)

- How did you handle insurance? Did you arrange for a policy before you left canada, or did you take care of it after taking ownership? Were you insured driving form teh dealership to your home? Could you provide some information on the process you took to arrange for insurance?

- How did you get home with no plates? Did you obtain a temporary driving permit? If so, how, and was it good in both the US and Canada?

I have read a lot of the information in this thread but I am still fuzzy on the process of actually driving your vehicle LEGALLY from the dealer to Canada (plates, insurance, etc).

Regardless of what anyone tells you, my advice would be to check with your insurance company. If they're the least bit uncomfortable, you could run into trouble in the event of an accident.

My insurer (State Farm) insisted that I get a NY State temporary transit plate AND and an Ontario transit plate. I was also asked NOT to drive the car anywhere but home (or for an inspection) until it was properly plated and imported in Canada.

[Fox2k]

Regardless of what anyone tells you, my advice would be to check with your insurance company. If they're the least bit uncomfortable, you could run into trouble in the event of an accident.

My insurer (State Farm) insisted that I get a NY State temporary transit plate AND and an Ontario transit plate. I was also asked NOT to drive the car anywhere but home (or for an inspection) until it was properly plated and imported in Canada.

Thanks Monsieurmaggot, I am planning to call around when I get closer to my purchase date, however I have alreadycalled bel-air direct and the person I spoke to indicated that they would not insure a vehicle until it was in my posession. That confused me so I'm curious to see what other people have done.

I am planning on purchasing a used car, but from a dealer, so I don't think the information which applies to anyone else will be too far from what I have to do.

Where did you go to get your temporary plates and how much did it cost?

[Monsieurmaggot]

Thanks Monsieurmaggot, I am planning to call around when I get closer to my purchase date, however I have alreadycalled bel-air direct and the person I spoke to indicated that they would not insure a vehicle until it was in my posession. That confused me so I'm curious to see what other people have done.

I am planning on purchasing a used car, but from a dealer, so I don't think the information which applies to anyone else will be too far from what I have to do.

Where did you go to get your temporary plates and how much did it cost?

Go to www.carburner.com for all the details or do a search on this thread. The information is all there.

The members here have done most of the legwork. You simply need to find it.

[Fox2k]

Go to www.carburner.com for all the details or do a search on this thread. The information is all there.

The members here have done most of the legwork. You simply need to find it.

thanks I have been through carburner and most of this thread - I didn't find the details I was looking for. carburner simply has a list of licensing offices, but no mention of what to do for american plates or if they ar eprovided by ontario licensing offices.

[Quick_lude]

Once the dealer gives you a VIN number for the car, call your insurance company and see if it "comes up" on their computer. If it does, and it should, you can just insure it normally as you would with a Canadian car. Your policy should cover you for travelling in the US. That's how I did it.

I can't help you with the temp plate, Jack at Manchester Subaru provided me with a 20 day dealer temp plate and I had no problems with it in the US or Canada. Drove like that in the GTA for at least a week.

[abpat75]

Thank OP and all, finally I'm able to import a BRAND NEW 2008 Camry SE from US (Chicago area). My local friends in Chicago area finalized the deal and I drove the car to Toronto over the weekend and the Car was registed and plated today.

US Custom: Was easy. Done in 5 minutes (SARNIA/Blue Water Bridge)
RIV: Online payment / Faxed the Recall letter
Canadian Tire: (Mississauga / MAVIS-DUNDAS). Took 45 mins (including Safety Inspection)
Title: Squre One /Mississauga (10 min)

Note: I used my US address (My wife still carries a US DL) to purchase the car. The dealer was not willing to sell without an US DL.

[showMeAnImport]

What is your source of information regarding Toyota's warranty policy?

Yeah really though....people are trying to get accurate information in here...why do people in here do this? Throwing around inaccurate information just to confuse people...there is enough misleading info out there without this kind of stuff...

As far as I know Toyota is honouring warranty...Any manufacturer with half a brain will...

Cheers

[bluemule999]

Have a look at an actual Canadian auto manufacturer...here's the catch...the cars were ILLEGAL in Canada!!!! The Canadian Government has just approved them for sale in Canada, but now the Provincial Governments must give their ok. Many US citizens are buying them freely!!! The company is based in Toronto, but builds the cars in St. Jerome Quebec.

http://www.zenncars.com

http://zenncars.com/availability/availability_canada.html

Welcome to the world of ZENN

The earth-friendly future is here with ZENN, the zero-emission, no-noise fully-featured electric vehicle. In addition to requiring no gasoline, the ZENN distinguishes itself with comfort, convenience and utility no other Neighborhood Electric Vehicle (NEV) can match.

The ZENN can be recharged anywhere by simply plugging it into a standard electrical outlet and it can be ready to go in as little as four hours! At only pennies per mile to operate, and with minimal maintenance requirements, the ZENN is the ideal choice for consumers and businesses alike.

[shopper-X]

Have a look at an actual Canadian auto manufacturer...here's the catch...the cars were ILLEGAL in Canada!!!! The Canadian Government has just approved them for sale in Canada, but now the Provincial Governments must give their ok. Many US citizens are buying them freely!!! The company is based in Toronto, but builds the cars in St. Jerome Quebec.

http://www.zenncars.com

http://zenncars.com/availability/availability_canada.html

Welcome to the world of ZENN

The earth-friendly future is here with ZENN, the zero-emission, no-noise fully-featured electric vehicle. In addition to requiring no gasoline, the ZENN distinguishes itself with comfort, convenience and utility no other Neighborhood Electric Vehicle (NEV) can match.

The ZENN can be recharged anywhere by simply plugging it into a standard electrical outlet and it can be ready to go in as little as four hours! At only pennies per mile to operate, and with minimal maintenance requirements, the ZENN is the ideal choice for consumers and businesses alike.

Rick Mercer did a segment on this on November 20, 2007.
Season 5/Episode 7--> Mercer: Rick drives an electric car (http://www.cbc.ca/mercerreport/backissues.php)

[jzy]

thanks I have been through carburner and most of this thread - I didn't find the details I was looking for. carburner simply has a list of licensing offices, but no mention of what to do for american plates or if they ar eprovided by ontario licensing offices.

Your dealer should provide you with a temp plate. He is probably going to charge you a small amount for it, but no big deal. As MM said, to be safe, you should also get a Ontario plate - just call a local licensing bureau and tell them that you need a temp plate to drive an imported vehicle home. Here is the website: http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/temp.htm.

Although I never did go through with it, I did call a licensing bureau here at Ottawa when I was importing my Outback and was told that I had to apply for the temp plate within 6 days of owning the car (proof of deposit would do, I'd think) and they wanted the original copy of MSO.

[allknowing]

West Herr as done this for me .. provides the temp tags -- something like $35 dollars .. as for insurance. Just called Aviva (my current ins. company) said I needed coverage for my new vehicle, Saturn, here is the vin. "Sure no problem".. and can you fax me a temp tag just to be sure I have it prior to delivery?.. "sure no problem".
See westherr.com for their easy to follow tips for Canadian Buyers.

[brendonp]

Regardless of what anyone tells you, my advice would be to check with your insurance company. If they're the least bit uncomfortable, you could run into trouble in the event of an accident.


+1 on checking with your insurer - if you don't get the answer you want, call another insurer; your not bound to one or the other!


My insurer (State Farm) insisted that I get a NY State temporary transit plate AND and an Ontario transit plate. I was also asked NOT to drive the car anywhere but home (or for an inspection) until it was properly plated and imported in Canada.

Here's a prime example - my insurer (State Farm) didn't care what tags/plates I had - I picked the car up in Virginia a drove through a half dozen states on the way home. When we got home, we drove the car for almost a month before it was fully imported - no problem with the agent at all!

Thanks Monsieurmaggot, I am planning to call around when I get closer to my purchase date, however I have alreadycalled bel-air direct and the person I spoke to indicated that they would not insure a vehicle until it was in my posession. That confused me so I'm curious to see what other people have done.

I just needed a VIN - talked to my agent on the phone and had a PDF version of an insurance binder in my e-mail about 5 minutes afterwards. She didn't seem to think that it was necessary, but had no trouble providing it. She also mentioned that any vehicle that we purchased was automatically insured by State Farm for the first 15 days of ownership (thus why I wouldn't need a binder) - even if we didn't inform them of the purchase. I'm not sure if this is a rider on my policy or part of standard wording for Ontario....

[cinqhoda]

As far as I know Toyota is honouring warranty...Any manufacturer with half a brain will...

Cheers

No doubt.

I was very surprised that Hyundai changed their warranty policy since they are trying very hard, and succeeding to great extent, in getting people to consider "looking" at a Hyundai, let alone buy one. I thought they could have at least "grandfathered" the warranty coverage on the vehicles that were already imported as a gesture of good faith (a la Subaru).

Brand loyalty is extremely difficult and expensive to cultivate (Billions$$ are spent in advertising). The Big 3's cars (not trucks) took 10 years (1980's) losing it, and will spend the next 20 years trying to get it back.

These people were told by Hyundai that the warranty coverage would be applicable in Canada. Now, Hyundai tells them that they have to jump through a bunch hoops to get their car repaired!!

If it was me, I would seriously reconsider ever buying another Hyundai product after this crap.

COME ON HYUNDAI!!!! MAN UP!!!! Eat the "extra costs" and you just might make the ownership experience good enough for a repeat "DOMESTIC" sale.

[toystoys]

No doubt.

I was very surprised that Hyundai changed their warranty policy since they are trying very hard, and succeeding to great extent, in getting people to consider "looking" at a Hyundai, let alone buy one. I thought they could have at least "grandfathered" the warranty coverage on the vehicles that were already imported as a gesture of good faith (a la Subaru).

Brand loyalty is extremely difficult and expensive to cultivate (Billions$$ are spent in advertising). The Big 3's cars (not trucks) took 10 years (1980's) losing it, and will spend the next 20 years trying to get it back.

These people were told by Hyundai that the warranty coverage would be applicable in Canada. Now, Hyundai tells them that they have to jump through a bunch hoops to get their car repaired!!

If it was me, I would seriously reconsider ever buying another Hyundai product after this crap.

COME ON HYUNDAI!!!! MAN UP!!!! Eat the "extra costs" and you just might make the ownership experience good enough for a repeat "DOMESTIC" sale.

+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1 ..... if more people just thought like that ... people are still bending over .... but we're working on that :)

[ac328]

Here's pics of the new ride. Taken at the bottom of the Seattle Space Needle if anyone's interested.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/aaron328/P1000652.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/aaron328/P1000651.jpg



Put my new Alberta licence plate on it tonight! Almost unreal, I only got home with it late Sunday (technically 2am Monday morning).

[orion747]

I was researching on the Rav4 V6 when it first came out. I made a few calls to a few local GTA dealers and they all confirmed that the V6 runs on premium gas which was a concern to me. As I mentioned earlier...I called a Toyota dealer service rep today and he told me the V6 uses premium.

I was really sold on the V6 engine too...but I really hate that antena on the front fender.

You actually believed some random service droid? Fer shame...and fer doubting google.... The sales guy that rode with me barely knew the difference between an LE and a base model.

I do hate that power antenna too though. I hate the swinging rear door even more. That said, Subaru Canada was incredibly STUPID to price the Tribeca at $47K (5 pass LTD) vs $39K for the RAV (V6 LTD). Both carry virtually similar cargo dimensions, with the Subie fatter, and down on power. Rip off of the century and it explains why I've seen all of 2 in Calgary around town. Lousy dealerships here too might explain it.

Hopefully the new $7,000 rebates are here to stay! Make it a $10,000 rebate on the ridiculously priced $52,000 7 passenger LTD and I'll spring for one locally.

[tico 1948]

Once the dealer gives you a VIN number for the car, call your insurance company and see if it "comes up" on their computer. If it does, and it should, you can just insure it normally as you would with a Canadian car. Your policy should cover you for travelling in the US. That's how I did it.

I can't help you with the temp plate, Jack at Manchester Subaru provided me with a 20 day dealer temp plate and I had no problems with it in the US or Canada. Drove like that in the GTA for at least a week.

Same thing for me, and I drove through 2 States and 2 Provinces for the full 20 days before I had my vehicle permanmently plated here in N.S. The Police didn't even give me a second sniff. That N.H. Temp., that Xan at Manchester Subie provided, looks like a real plate until you get right up close to it. I'm gonna get it Bronzed!:lol:

[thegradas]

Post# 11208. Also this was discussed earlier on this forum.

+
http://tinyurl.com/3by7tq RAV4 6cyl. vs. B9 (+20-23%)
http://tinyurl.com/38h8nz Legacy SW 2.5i vs. Outback 3.0 (+17-18%)



Base on Fuel Economy government website, both outback 4cyl and Rav4 4Cyl have the same fuel economy. Not sure where you get +20% fuel thirstier?

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/sbs.htm

[DSTU]

Just got off the phone with a BMW hack.

I asked why is BMW putting up roadblocks to importing a US Vehicle.

I won't detail everything but more or less what the conversation was is that they are protecting their market to whatever extent they can.

Just looked at some sweet looking BMW M3's - at least $10k cheaper with less mileage. That's my next car, I'll swallow any extortion fees from BMW.

[fulrach]

Note to self: Doing doughnuts will fill your wheels/rims with snow. Don't be surprised that your car shakes a bit on the highway as the whell balance will be off. I noticed it as I was cruising on the higway afterwards.

lol... this happened to me also after a good 10minute spin around an empty parking lot with a foot of snow in my '08 Tribeca... plowing through the snowplow debris of about 2-3 feet was also a blast... next time i'm taking a camera with me for shots of that... i dont' think i've ever had that much fun in a car before!

[Tuppin]

lol... this happened to me also after a good 10minute spin around an empty parking lot with a foot of snow in my '08 Tribeca... plowing through the snowplow debris of about 2-3 feet was also a blast... next time i'm taking a camera with me for shots of that... i dont' think i've ever had that much fun in a car before!


I think you can have more fun in the snow if you turn off the Stability Control. It's the button to the left of the steering wheel....near the dash light brightness adjustment and the front wiper heater button. It will allow the wheels to spin without cutting power to the engine (which is what the Stability control does to maintain control).

[conerstone]

I heard car import from china is coming to US next year, i am pretty sure will bring down the price further.

[EL820]

You actually believed some random service droid? Fer shame...and fer doubting google.... The sales guy that rode with me barely knew the difference between an LE and a base model.

It wasn't just based on one individual from Toyota...it was a handful of Toyota sales/service rep that gave me the info. :D Knowing that it uses regular gas might have swayed my decision, but I still hate the antenna & the spare wheel hanging on the rear door. I was really hoping to see the antenna gone on the 2008 model.


I do hate that power antenna too though. I hate the swinging rear door even more. That said, Subaru Canada was incredibly STUPID to price the Tribeca at $47K (5 pass LTD) vs $39K for the RAV (V6 LTD). Both carry virtually similar cargo dimensions, with the Subie fatter, and down on power. Rip off of the century and it explains why I've seen all of 2 in Calgary around town. Lousy dealerships here too might explain it.

Hopefully the new $7,000 rebates are here to stay! Make it a $10,000 rebate on the ridiculously priced $52,000 7 passenger LTD and I'll spring for one locally.

I, too, think the Tribeca is over priced in Canada. It should be competing with the Toyotas & Hondas. It's definately priced in the wrong class. I would never buy this vehicle in Canada, not at their Canadian prices. That's why I'm getting the Tribeca from the US. :D

Even if SoC drop the price on the 7 passenger Limited by $10K, I would probably still get it from the US. US has more vehicle trim selection. I can't get the 7 seater without the Navi & DVD in Canada.

[EL820]

Post# 11208. Also this was discussed earlier on this forum.

+
http://tinyurl.com/3by7tq RAV4 6cyl. vs. B9 (+20-23%)
http://tinyurl.com/38h8nz Legacy SW 2.5i vs. Outback 3.0 (+17-18%)

A fair comparison would be to compare the Tribeca, Highlander & the Polit...they are more or less the same size vehicles with approx the same curb weight.

[LoveRFD]

I just checked out the price for Subaru Tribeca at Multiline, their price for 2008 5-seat limited is $33000. That's pretty good price. The same car at Van Bortel's website is US $31167. So if you don't mind the price difference and want to save yourself from all the hassles you can consider to buy from them.

[fulrach]

I think you can have more fun in the snow if you turn off the Stability Control. It's the button to the left of the steering wheel....near the dash light brightness adjustment and the front wiper heater button. It will allow the wheels to spin without cutting power to the engine (which is what the Stability control does to maintain control).

hehehe, yah took me a min to figure out why the hell the engine power was cutting out when i was skidding... taking stability control off was quite enjoyable at that point :)

[ac328]

I, too, think the Tribeca is over priced in Canada. It should be competing with the Toyotas & Hondas. It's definately priced in the wrong class. I would never buy this vehicle in Canada, not at their Canadian prices. That's why I'm getting the Tribeca from the US. :D

Even if SoC drop the price on the 7 passenger Limited by $10K, I would probably still get it from the US. US has more vehicle trim selection. I can't get the 7 seater without the Navi & DVD in Canada.


Frankly you could say all of Subaru's cars are overpriced in Canada.

43k for a Legacy GT or Outback Turbo??? That's BMW 3 series/Lexus IS money. And Subaru doesn't even offer some high end features like factory HIDs, Bluetooth, memory seats/mirros, etc.

However I am much more comfortable with what I paid for my Outback turbo.

As side note I saw WAAYYY more Subarus in Washington state than I have ever seen in Calgary, it's almost their state car or something! Probably helps that Legacies/Outbacks are priced alongside Honda and Toyota down there, not BMW, Audi and Lexus.

[fulrach]

I just checked out the price for Subaru Tribeca at Multiline, their price for 2008 5-seat limited is $33000. That's pretty good price. The same car at Van Bortel's website is US $31167. So if you don't mind the price difference and want to save yourself from all the hassles you can consider to buy from them.

that $31,167 US is MSRP no? I paid $29,886 CAD for mine after some addons... I guess for some people the $3k difference BEFORE taxes compared to multiline may not be a big deal... but imagine $3k to spend on electronics or clothes while you're in the states picking up your tribeca :) hehehe :D

[thelefteyeguy]

[QUOTE=ac328;6118253]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/aaron328/P1000652.jpg
QUOTE]

nice...my is "san" turbo....awesome looking vehicle

[Trexim]

I just checked out the price for Subaru Tribeca at Multiline, their price for 2008 5-seat limited is $33000. That's pretty good price. The same car at Van Bortel's website is US $31167. So if you don't mind the price difference and want to save yourself from all the hassles you can consider to buy from them.

Does Multiline charge PDI or such?

[dotcalamitie]

No Multiline doesn't charge PDi as far as i know...

[vim]

Amendment done

http://www.tc.gc.ca/mediaroom/releases/nat/2007/07-h245e.htm

Now we just need RIV to update their list.

[dotcalamitie]

I enjoy reading RFDers on here complaining about BMW. Both my brother and I turned in our BMW's, his 545 and my 645 cab and did not get another BMW. Our take on BMW Canada is not good...BMW was regarded highly by consumers and us in the past. Today, I can't look at BMW Canada drivers and think anything but what a dufas these people are. BMW is no longer cool, it is for idiots. BMW Canada is a cheap company out to screw Canadians. Period. So when you see a new BMW owner driving around, you are looking at someone who just got pharked and who isn't very bright.

[ac328]

I enjoy reading RFDers on here complaining about BMW. Both my brother and I turned in our BMW's, his 545 and my 645 cab and did not get another BMW. Our take on BMW Canada is not good...BMW was regarded highly by consumers and us in the past. Today, I can't look at BMW Canada drivers and think anything but what a dufas these people are. BMW is no longer cool, it is for idiots. BMW Canada is a cheap company out to screw Canadians. Period. So when you see a new BMW owner driving around, you are looking at someone who just got pharked and who isn't very bright.

Agree 100%! Which is why I got a Subaru to replace my leased BMW X3. Vote with your wallet!!!

[Xinc]

I enjoy reading RFDers on here complaining about BMW. Both my brother and I turned in our BMW's, his 545 and my 645 cab and did not get another BMW. Our take on BMW Canada is not good...BMW was regarded highly by consumers and us in the past. Today, I can't look at BMW Canada drivers and think anything but what a dufas these people are. BMW is no longer cool, it is for idiots. BMW Canada is a cheap company out to screw Canadians. Period. So when you see a new BMW owner driving around, you are looking at someone who just got pharked and who isn't very bright.

Or maybe they just have that extra bit of $$ to throw around? I wouldn't say the ones who are signing my paycheck isn't very bright :cheesygri The CEO and my director are both *religious* BMW owners lol

But yeah for the normal average folks who are paying an arm n' leg so they can have beamers in Canada I wouldn't say they are very smart, nor very responsible either.

[LoveRFD]

that $31,167 US is MSRP no? I paid $29,886 CAD for mine after some addons... I guess for some people the $3k difference BEFORE taxes compared to multiline may not be a big deal... but imagine $3k to spend on electronics or clothes while you're in the states picking up your tribeca :) hehehe :D

That price is using Van Bortel's BuildYourOwnCar tool. The MSRP is $32,595+PDI. Unless you got some more discounts or cash incentives. I checked on their website, for 2008 model no incentives. Is yours 2008 limited 5-seat?

[shoprbccom]

http://www.importcarcanada.com/main/index.php?topic=237.0

OTTAWA, Dec. 19 /CNW Telbec/ - The Government of Canada has amended the
Motor Vehicle Safety Regulations to make it easier for Canadians to import
vehicles from the United States built on or after September 1, 2007, that are
already equipped with an electronic immobilization system or that can be
fitted with one.
"Our government remains committed to ensuring the safety of Canadians on
our roads and highways," said the Honourable Lawrence Cannon, Minister of
Transport, Infrastructure and Communities. "This amendment clarifies the
process for importing vehicles from the U.S. with respect to electronic
anti-theft immobilization systems."
The amendment will also allow Transport Canada to immediately begin
clearing the backlog of cases involving Canadians who recently purchased
certain new U.S. models. These vehicles could not be imported because they
were not certified by the manufacturer to meet the Canadian standard for
anti-theft electronic immobilizers.
As of September 1, 2007, the Motor Vehicle Safety Regulations require
that all new cars, vans, light trucks and SUVs sold in Canada or imported into
Canada be equipped with electronic anti-theft immobilizers meeting a defined
Canadian standard.
Canada requires these systems in response to the public's desire to
reduce auto theft and to protect innocent parties from injury and death that
can result from car accidents caused by thieves. In addition, the insurance
industry has brought forward evidence that mechanical immobilizers can be
defeated using simple tools. Electronic anti-theft devices are more secure.
The amendment will offer more flexibility to Canadians wishing to import
vehicles and will continue efforts to ensure safety on our roads.
This amendment will modify section 12 of the Motor Vehicle Safety
Regulations as it pertains to importing vehicles purchased in the U.S. The
government's intention to introduce the amendment was first published in the
Canada Gazette, Part I, on December 1, 2007. Interested parties were given
15 days to comment. Final notice of adoption will be published in the Canada
Gazette, Part II, on December 26, 2007, at www.canadagazette.gc.ca.
While the provincial and territorial governments have jurisdiction over
after-market additions to motor vehicles, Transport Canada develops standards
and regulations for new vehicles manufactured or imported for use in Canada.
Before buying a vehicle in the U.S., Canadians should check with the
Registrar of Imported Vehicles about the rules and process for importing
vehicles (www.riv.ca). Transport Canada's Registrar of Imported Vehicles
program verifies that new vehicles sold at the retail level in the U.S. and
imported for use in Canada meet Canadian safety requirements. Imported
vehicles may have to be modified to meet requirements for daytime running
lights, child tether anchorage systems and anti-theft immobilization devices.

[chene]

http://www.importcarcanada.com/main/index.php?topic=237.0


excellent news...does this mean 2008 Prius can be imported now? :)

I've been eyeing on a Japanese hybrid for a long time. Unfortunally local Nissan dealer won't service/sell a hybrid Altima (regardless whether it is imported), and Civic Hybrid is too small. This leaves Prius/Camery as my options for now.

[EL820]

Does Multiline charge PDI or such?


$33K or $34k for the 7 passenger, plus $299 admin + $40 gas + GST & PST. No other charges.

With the current exchange rate, I figured I'm still saving ~C$2700 over Multiline's price...not bad for a day's work. :)

[EL820]

Frankly you could say all of Subaru's cars are overpriced in Canada.

43k for a Legacy GT or Outback Turbo??? That's BMW 3 series/Lexus IS money. And Subaru doesn't even offer some high end features like factory HIDs, Bluetooth, memory seats/mirros, etc.

However I am much more comfortable with what I paid for my Outback turbo.

As side note I saw WAAYYY more Subarus in Washington state than I have ever seen in Calgary, it's almost their state car or something! Probably helps that Legacies/Outbacks are priced alongside Honda and Toyota down there, not BMW, Audi and Lexus.


Not too many Tribeca in the GTA either. Since I started researching on the vehicle, I have seen two Tribecas. SoC definately needs to change it's marketing strategy if it hopes to capture more of the Canadian auto market share.

Nice ride BTW :cheesygri

[Monsieurmaggot]

That price is using Van Bortel's BuildYourOwnCar tool. The MSRP is $32,595+PDI. Unless you got some more discounts or cash incentives. I checked on their website, for 2008 model no incentives. Is yours 2008 limited 5-seat?

Not true. There's no rebate but you get about $1000 off invoice on a Tribeca when you factor in all the holdbacks and other incentives.

Also, you buy a Tribeca in the US based on INVOICE not MSRP.

Not one RFDer has purchased any US Subaru near MSRP. Personally I got mine about $2000 below invoice.

You pay close to MSRP in Canada since the dealers here go out of their way to hide the true invoice price.

[mangoman]

[QUOTE=shoprbccom;6120561]... Final notice of adoption will be published in the Canada
Gazette, Part II, on December 26, 2007, at [url]www.canadagazette.gc.ca. ...
QUOTE]

Now that'll be a nice way to start off Boxing Day/Week sales! :cheesygri

[LoveRFD]

Not true. There's no rebate but you get about $1000 off invoice on a Tribeca when you factor in all the holdbacks and other incentives.

Also, you buy a Tribeca in the US based on INVOICE not MSRP.

Not one RFDer has purchased any US Subaru near MSRP. Personally I got mine about $2000 below invoice.

You pay close to MSRP in Canada since the dealers here go out of their way to hide the true invoice price.

So you mean you can still get at least $1000 cheaper than VB's website built price? The price on their website is almost the same as the invoice price on cars101.

[Trexim]

So you mean you can still get at least $1000 cheaper than VB's website built price? The price on their website is almost the same as the invoice price on cars101.

For a 7 seat limited trim, the quote I got was ~$700 below cars101 invoice *IF* the car is delivered before or on Jan 2. After Jan 2, add $500, so only $200 below invoice, which is still quite good.

[DSTU]

Contacted Dealer regarding a Letter of Admissibility for a 2002 BMW M3.

Was actually surprised by how helpful they were.

Costs:

Letter Of Admissibility - $350
Software Update for DRL - $103
Recall Letter - $500

So all in all not bad :)

[RRKnight]

Contacted Dealer regarding a Letter of Admissibility for a 2002 BMW M3.

Was actually surprised by how helpful they were.

Costs:

Letter Of Admissibility - $350
Software Update for DRL - $103
Recall Letter - $500

So all in all not bad :)

Still over price for a free recall letter. However this is the cheapest quote I've seen so far for BMW, where was this??

[Kamloops]

Contacted Dealer regarding a Letter of Admissibility for a 2002 BMW M3.

Was actually surprised by how helpful they were.

Costs:

Letter Of Admissibility - $350
Software Update for DRL - $103
Recall Letter - $500

So all in all not bad :)

This is what Jessel gave me for a z4

The following will be required to obtain the Letter of Admissibility.

The importer/customer must check transport Canada’s website to determine if the BMW/MINI vehicle is eligible to be imported into Canada.
Effective November 26, 2007 all BMW models newer than 15 years will require a Letter of Admissibility.
The importer/customer must contact their local Canadian BMW/MINI Retailer to acquire the Letter of Admissibility.
Letter of Admissibility: $350.00



The following will be required to obtain the Recall Document.

1. The vehicle must have all active campaigns completed prior to the request for the recall documentation. (As long as the vehicle is under the new car warranty the customer will not be charged for the recall.)



2. Modification to the daytime running lights must be performed at a Canadian BMW retailer.

Modification Vehicle Order Programming.
Computer and DRL's Programming Canadian Standards. $197.25 (1.5hr)



3. Additional vehicle modifications will be required; this will vary by model and year of the vehicle.

In Summary, the subject vehicle does not currently meet the requirements of CMVSS 108. As a condition of admissibility from the U.S. to Canada, the vehicle must be modified by an authorized Canadian BMW/MINI retailer exclusively in order to ensure compliance to CMVSS 108, and such modifications must be completed within 45 days of being imported into Canada.



4. A Provincial Safety Inspection and BMW Inspection must be completed before the request is submitted for the Recall Document.

Provincial Safety and BMW inspection: $328.75 (2.5hr)



5. Upon the completion of all the requirements the retailer will submit the request to BMW Canada. The request for the recall document will take 15-20 business days to be processed.

Recall Document: $500.00

[Trexim]

Contacted Dealer regarding a Letter of Admissibility for a 2002 BMW M3.

Was actually surprised by how helpful they were.

Costs:

Letter Of Admissibility - $350
Software Update for DRL - $103
Recall Letter - $500

So all in all not bad :)

It's still like they have the license to literally print money, eh?

[dsds]

You guys must sure *love* your BMW's. $500 for a recall letter? Even for a used? That's nuts. Maybe BMW will buy you some knee pads since you're already willing to be shafted.

[DSTU]

You guys must sure *love* your BMW's. $500 for a recall letter? Even for a used? That's nuts. Maybe BMW will buy you some knee pads since you're already willing to be shafted.

In my recent e-mail exhange With Lindsay he states that this "Fee" is to protect the consumer...LOL

I'll protect myself, thank you very much.

You can save from $10-15k on an M3, so $850 is not a big deal.

[DSTU]

Still over price for a free recall letter. However this is the cheapest quote I've seen so far for BMW, where was this??

Otto's BMW

[Monsieurmaggot]

For a 7 seat limited trim, the quote I got was ~$700 below cars101 invoice *IF* the car is delivered before or on Jan 2. After Jan 2, add $500, so only $200 below invoice, which is still quite good.

That's the key.

Can't say how the Subaru market will play out after the January 3rd deadline takes effect.

I'm going to guess that you will be paying close to invoice as you point out.

In any event, still below MSRP and WELL BELOW Canadian pricing.

[evilution]

Contacted Dealer regarding a Letter of Admissibility for a 2002 BMW M3.

Was actually surprised by how helpful they were.

Costs:

Letter Of Admissibility - $350
Software Update for DRL - $103
Recall Letter - $500

So all in all not bad :)


It's funny.. to import a 5 or 6 series.. u'd need the admissibility + recall + an instrument cluster and control unit change.. just to get ur daytime running lights working, because it isn't a simple programming change..

the instument cluster change is 3500 + tax.. lol..

[UAToronto]

Hi, I just closed the deal on a 2004 Lexus, but called TD insurance and several brokers today they said if I currently don't have any insurance they can't insure it for me. Anyone knows which company can do it? I'm in Toronto. Appreciated!!

[tico 1948]

Hey Folks, I just had my first oil change done at Moncton Subaru. No issues with them servicing an import vehicle or doing the warranty thingy. All good. However, on my way out of the Dealership I spies a Black TribecaB9 in the showroom. Aha sez I, wots this? Hmmmmm a 2006 Tribby Ltd. for only $32,991. Ewwwww sez I.:eek: Glad I got mine in the U.S. of A. Got an '08, with goodies added,for over $2000 less;along with the lower sales taxes of approx $1800. Thanks Xan!:D

[tico 1948]

Hi, I just closed the deal on a 2004 Lexus, but called TD insurance and several brokers today they said if I currently don't have any insurance they can't insure it for me. Anyone knows which company can do it? I'm in Toronto. Appreciated!!

ING. No sweat. Just provide them with the VIN # and tell them you're buying a new vehicle.

[UAToronto]

ING. No sweat. Just provide them with the VIN # and tell them you're buying a new vehicle.

Thanks very much!

[Kamloops]

It's funny.. to import a 5 or 6 series.. u'd need the admissibility + recall + an instrument cluster and control unit change.. just to get ur daytime running lights working, because it isn't a simple programming change..



the instument cluster change is 3500 + tax.. lol..

With idrive, you can enable dlr yourself so what is with BMW! I hate them. Has anyone asked the Dealer about idrive and why they have to change the cluster>

iDrive was first announced for the BMW E65/E66 7-Series, and is now available on all current 1-Series and 3-Series models, being standard on the 5-Series, 6-Series, 7-Series, and the new X5 E70.

Here is my previous post on this http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5906683&postcount=8647

[jwstewart]

So you mean you can still get at least $1000 cheaper than VB's website built price? The price on their website is almost the same as the invoice price on cars101.

Yes, in fact you can find web prices over $1000 below invoice.

http://www.fitzmall.com/

[jwstewart]

My Tribeca is now registered, plated, insured and I received the RIV sticker in the mail when I got home from work yesterday. :D

Much thank's go to MonsignerMagot, Cars101.com, Carburner.com, et al.

[ac328]

With idrive, you can enable dlr yourself so what is with BMW! I hate them. Has anyone asked the Dealer about idrive and why they have to change the cluster>

iDrive was first announced for the BMW E65/E66 7-Series, and is now available on all current 1-Series and 3-Series models, being standard on the 5-Series, 6-Series, 7-Series, and the new X5 E70.

Here is my previous post on this http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5906683&postcount=8647

The newest 3 series (E90/1/2/3) don't even need idrive, you can enable the DRLs via the on board computer/radio controls.

I agree that making you go to a dealer to enable them is ridiculous!

[Monsieurmaggot]

Yes, in fact you can find web prices over $1000 below invoice.

http://www.fitzmall.com/

Is there an echo in here?

[faston]

BMW has no reason or right to care about your DRL. That is between you and RIV. If you enable it via idrive and CT passes it, you are fine. BMW not involved in any way, shape or form. I can hardly wait until the lease on my 325 is up and I can turn my back permanently on them. Infiniti USA will be getting my cash. No problem selling to Canadians, warranty is honoured and no BS 'letter of admissiblity' or $500 charge for Recall document. I am surprised that Subaru is still the darling of this thread when they are turning into one of the 'bad' manufacturers and yet nobody talks about Infiniti.

The ill-will that BMW is generating in me over this importing business will last much, much longer than any price disparity in importing will.

[t_garp]

Wohhooo!! TC bowed to us.

Congratulations to the guys at www.carswithoutborders.com

here is the follow up letter I just wrote to Mr. Davis at Transport Canada.


Thank you very much Mr. Davis.

I applaud Transport Canada for this brave and bold move to address the immobilizer issue and recognize that car manufacturer were using it as a smokescreen to prevent Canadians from arbitraging lower prices on cars available in the US.

Now step 2 is removing unfair restrictions on import imposed by BMW Canada, Mercedes and I believe Volvo (They are rumoured to have asked for the same inadmissibility status as the latter two staring January 2008). As at November 26, 2007 Transport Canada changed the admissibility requirements for importing a BMW into Canada. Previously listed vehicles, for which I assume admissibility was previously confirmed, were removed from the list and honest tax-paying Canadians were put at the mercy of BMW Canada. I can only assume that this was a temporary error in judgement by an overzealous Transport Canada employee. As I cannot fathom how cars which were clearly listed as FULLY admissible just weeks ago are suddenly and unjustly wrenched from the list.

For example, BMW Canada requires that all cars get an admissibility letter for $350 before being imported into Canada. After that you are forced to pay $500 for a recall clearance letter. Starting November 26, 2007, BMW is also forcing owners to change their instrument cluster at a cost of $1350-2000. This is clearly unconscionable behaviour by Transport Canada which allows car manufacturers to fleece hard working Canadians. If the cars were allowed into Canada prior to November 26, 2007 without any of these requirements, I ask how is it that TC allowed itself to be duped by BMW Canada into believing that these cars are no longer admissible.

The actions of transport Canada are not only immoral and irresponsible, they are borderline illegal. It is unthinkable that Transport Canada will allow BMW Canada to dictate what is admissible and give them the ability to remove previously admissible vehicles from the list. While I now have renewed faith in Transport Canada, TC's bowing to BMW Canada's demands is unethical. Under the access to Information act, I have requested copies of all correspondence between BMW and TC to determine what exactly was communicated in order to make you change your stance. The ACT should provide me with copies of the previously acceptable admissibility documents AND whatever correspondence BMW Canada sent to Transport Canada on or before November 26, 2007 to convince your department that the vehicles were no longer admissible. Section 2.1 of the Access to Information Act gives the right of access to this information as the records under the control of you ministry should be made available to the public.

These fees which add $850 – $3,000 to the costs of importing a car are designed to discourage Canadians from exercising the freedom of choice as guaranteed by section 1.1 of the Competition Act.

If this is definitely Transport Canada’s stance that vehicles with a different instrument cluster (I don’t know how they are different other than the fact that Mp/h and Km/h are reversed.) are unsafe to be driven on Canadian roads, then why is it that we allow millions of these “unsafe” cars cross the border into Canada with an American driving it? The government must enforce fair standards or require that ALL American vehicles comply with these standards while operating on Canadian roadways. Are you prepared to close the borders to US vehicles to ensure that this happens?

I have already filed a formal complaint with the Competition bureau of Canada and the US federal Trade Commission. I along with many Canadian consumers was harassed, pressured and belittled by BMW in my efforts to arbitrage the current currency advantage by purchasing a car in the US. Their actions directly contravene section 1.1 of the Competition act which states that “the purpose of this Act is to maintain and encourage competition in Canada in order to promote the efficiency and adaptability of the Canadian economy, in order to expand opportunities for Canadian participation in world markets while at the same time recognizing the role of foreign competition in Canada.”

These charges are a direct contravention of part IV, section 45 of the Canadian Competition act which clearly states that “(1) Every one who conspires, combines, agrees or arranges with another person: (a) to limit unduly the facilities for transporting, producing, manufacturing, supplying, storing or dealing in any product, (b) to prevent, limit or lessen, unduly, the manufacture or production of a product or to enhance unreasonably the price thereof, (c) to prevent or lessen, unduly, competition in the production, manufacture, purchase, barter, sale, storage, rental, transportation or supply of a product, or in the price of insurance on persons or property, or (d) to otherwise restrain or injure competition unduly, is guilty of an indictable offense and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years or to a fine not exceeding ten million dollars or to both.”

BMW USA & BMW Canada are clearly acting in a collusive manner as services that were once free only months ago are now levied with excessive fees to stem the ability of the consumer to exercise their freedoms and guaranteed under the Canadian Competition Act and the US Federal Trade Commission.

I call upon the Transport Canada to ACT IMMEDIATELY as this is affecting thousands of Canadian consumers. Manufacturers do NOT have the right to charge us for a safety recall letter as it is their responsibility to ensure that our cars are safe and free of defects. I would like to remind you that this letter was free until November 26, 2007. Per a recent study by Scotia Bank, Imports of vehicles bought by Canadians in the United States hit a record of almost 25,000 ion October 2007, are on pace to reach another 22,000 to 23,000 in November and will likely hit an annual record when the results for all of 2007 are tallied.

Thousands of Canadians are watching their freedoms being dictated by faceless corporations. If the government can’t fight and uphold our rights, then who will?

Regards,

A proud tax paying Canadian

[perfchris]

Wohhooo!! TC bowed to us.

Congratulations to the guys at www.carswithoutborders.com

here is the follow up letter I just wrote to Mr. Davis at Transport Canada.

BMW and MB, that is our next fight !

[Kamloops]

Wohhooo!! TC bowed to us.

Congratulations to the guys at www.carswithoutborders.com

here is the follow up letter I just wrote to Mr. Davis at Transport Canada.

Great letter, I wrote him as well about BMW here is his response.

"I am a regulatory person so I am not in any capacity to help on the cost of importation of BMW's. I can tell you that it is doubtful that anything can be done as the information is required by the Motor Vehicle Safety Regulations, section 12. Your only option is to import a vehicle which does not have the same type of cost to supply the information. Dan "

[rf134a]

Not one RFDer has purchased any US Subaru near MSRP. Personally I got mine about $2000 below invoice.


Would you mine telling me where you got your Tribeca at 2k below invoice? Zack @ East Side Subaru quoted me invoice. I would prefer a dealer in the Pacific Northwest but may be convinced to drive an extra day for $2k. :)

[DSTU]

BMW has no reason or right to care about your DRL. That is between you and RIV. If you enable it via idrive and CT passes it, you are fine. BMW not involved in any way, shape or form. I can hardly wait until the lease on my 325 is up and I can turn my back permanently on them. Infiniti USA will be getting my cash. No problem selling to Canadians, warranty is honoured and no BS 'letter of admissiblity' or $500 charge for Recall document. I am surprised that Subaru is still the darling of this thread when they are turning into one of the 'bad' manufacturers and yet nobody talks about Infiniti.

The ill-will that BMW is generating in me over this importing business will last much, much longer than any price disparity in importing will.

I've been e-mailing the CEO of BMW Canada and more or less called him out, he tried to convince me that they were doing to protect the consumer.

I will say that he responded promtply to several e-mails stating the company line.

I stated that was a out and out lie. I told him to show me the facts - which of course he did not.

I then talked to one of his flunkies and he could not back up why admissible vehicles were taken off the list.

So Lindsay I will not spread the word that BMW Canada is doing it for the consumer.

Prove me wrong - I dare you.

[DSTU]

With idrive, you can enable dlr yourself so what is with BMW! I hate them. Has anyone asked the Dealer about idrive and why they have to change the cluster>

iDrive was first announced for the BMW E65/E66 7-Series, and is now available on all current 1-Series and 3-Series models, being standard on the 5-Series, 6-Series, 7-Series, and the new X5 E70.

Here is my previous post on this http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5906683&postcount=8647

Well BMW hoodwinked Transport Canada.

The BMW guy did tell me that 3000 BMW's have been imported so far this year. They used this to start charging for $500 and $350 due to their added costs. What cost's they incur - well that is a mystery.

[t_garp]

Would you mine telling me where you got your Tribeca at 2k below invoice? Zack @ East Side Subaru quoted me invoice. I would prefer a dealer in the Pacific Northwest but may be convinced to drive an extra day for $2k. :)

HI,

My friend just bought a Tribeca from Joe Spitz at Carter Subaru. I think he paid $31,400 for a 5 Passenger Ltd. with a few extras added. Joe is apparently all business and he wants to move what he has on the lot. Eastside Subaru has a much smaller lot and Zach usually has to find the cars for you.

I heard that the Subaru dealer in Vancouver, WA (Dick Hannah) is cheaper though...I would even look at dealers in Portland.

I used www.autotrader.com to search dealers near zip code: 98281 (Point Roberts, WA) to give me an idea how far they are from the border

[Ventrick]

I bought my Legacy 2.5i Limited from Fitzmall, couldn't find a better deal anywhere else and also the Salesman Gus is an ex-Canadian and everything was well handled.

Yes, in fact you can find web prices over $1000 below invoice.

http://www.fitzmall.com/

[eastsidesubaru]

HI,

My friend just bought a Tribeca from Joe Spitz at Carter Subaru. I think he paid $31,400 for a 5 Passenger Ltd. with a few extras added. Joe is apparently all business and he wants to move what he has on the lot. Eastside Subaru has a much smaller lot and Zach usually has to find the cars for you.

I heard that the Subaru dealer in Vancouver, WA (Dick Hannah) is cheaper though...I would even look at dealers in Portland.

I used www.autotrader.com to search dealers near zip code: 98281 (Point Roberts, WA) to give me an idea how far they are from the border

Honestly it just depends. If it is out there I can usually get it, no problem. The problem is we just sell a lot of cars and Subaru can't quite keep up. Why is that a problem though exactly? I can count only twice in the last 4 months when I haven't been able to get a car for somebody to their exact specifications out of all the cars I have sold.
It sounds to me like your friend got a good deal - a few hundred under invoice. That is generally what I quote although it depends on the car. However if you don't like my pricing you are always welcome to counteroffer... :)

PS: To all Subaru shoppers... Tomorrow is basically last call. If you are shopping for a Subaru, please try to decide and let us know by tomorrow so we can get paperwork in order and everything in time for us to get our incentives and for you to get yours. I am off tomorrow but Becca will be there to handle orders. Thanks! 425-820-8993

[Cars4Canadians]

TC will not do anything about BMW, MB, Audi, or anyone else, at this level we are talking about *******s that are stealing our money, so the government washes their hands.

The only way to change the way we get it up the ass, is by stopping going to the showrooms and not purchasing from the a-holes.


Great letter, I wrote him as well about BMW here is his response.

"I am a regulatory person so I am not in any capacity to help on the cost of importation of BMW's. I can tell you that it is doubtful that anything can be done as the information is required by the Motor Vehicle Safety Regulations, section 12. Your only option is to import a vehicle which does not have the same type of cost to supply the information. Dan "

[aphextwin2050]

Hi everyone,

I'm planning on getting the dropped off in Sweetgrass or Greatfalls. Does anyone know a secured storage yard I can get the car dropped off at?

Thanks,
John

[mangoman]

Here's another priceless one :lol: - although this time he acknowledges he knows nothing about the Zenn car before giving his esteemed and uninformed opinion on it - guess he's also not familiar with the Prius:

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/071216/business/zenn_car_2

By Luann Lasalle, The Canadian Press

ADVERTISEMENT

ST-JEROME, Que. - The maker of the Zenn electric car still has to fill up his own vehicle at a gas station.


Ian Clifford, CEO of the Zenn Motor Company (TSX:ZNN), is trying to get his environmentally friendly car on urban streets for short trips because, despite approval from Transport Canada, the province still won't let him.


"Your biggest carbon footprint as an individual is probably the car you drive,"Clifford told The Canadian Press in an interview at the Zenn car manufacturing facility.


This worries Clifford when he gets into his intentionally small "internal combustion car" to get his groceries and do his errands.


And it also isn't a calming or Zen-like experience.


"Every time I go to the gas station, I want to choke," he said, his voice full of frustration.


Clifford had just finished test driving a Zenn car on a suburban road in St-Jerome, north of Montreal. The drive included doing circles of doughnuts on a snow-covered parking lot.


The Zenn - short for zero-emissions and no noise - can travel at a speed 40 kilometres an hour for more than 60 minutes at a time, ideal for going to the store, and plugs into an regular electrical outlet to recharge.


The car recently received the National Safety Mark from Transport Canada, approving its use in Canada, but each province has to legislate its use as a low-speed vehicle.


It retails between US$12,000 and $15,000 and can be driven legally in 45 of 50 U.S. states, currently its primary destination.


But the Toronto-based company doesn't have a Canadian retail price because Clifford is still waiting on the provinces.


British Columbia is supposed to come up with specific legislation that would allow the Zenn car to be driven in that province early in 2008, Clifford said.


Ontario has a pilot project that allows electric vehicles only in provincial parks. But Premier Dalton McGuinty's government is specifically interested in the Zenn car and Quebec is looking at the experience of low-speed vehicles internationally, he added.


"It's an absurdity, to be honest, that we cannot sell this in Canada. We are a Canadian company and this just adds insult to injury, if you will."


Al Cormier, executive director of Electric Mobility Canada, said there needs to be more flexibility in regulations for electric cars, which can contribute to environmental well-being without forcing a change of lifestyle.


"It's the end of cheap oil," Cormier noted. "As the price of oil goes through the roof, this makes more and more sense."


Industry analyst Dennis DesRosiers said although he's not familiar with the Zenn car, it's difficult to "jump all of the hurdles" to get an electric car on the road because each province and state has to approve it.

"It's a real dog's breath of a problem," said DesRosiers.

Electric cars are a small "niche market" and the battery technology isn't there yet for a mass-market electric vehicle, said DesRosiers, head of DesRosiers Automotive Consultants Inc.
But gas-electric hybrid technology cars by major automakers are having some success but that's a niche, too, Clifford added.

"These kinds of things are a lot of fun but how do you manage to make money out of it?" DesRosiers said.

Clifford, 45, started out as a photographer and then had an Internet marketing company. So it has been a long way from pictures to cars.

For him, it was the frustration of being stuck and idling in his SUV in Toronto traffic that turned him to the idea of an electric car.

"When I couldn't buy one, I said enough of this. I am going to start a car company."

Clifford said more than 200 Zenn cars have been sold in the last eight months.

"We're looking really good for next year."

The aluminum and plastic bodies of the Zenn car are shipped from France and the St-Jerome production line staff install the electric drive system.

The Zenn has six 12-volt batteries and a 5.5 horsepower engine with plenty of "torque," Clifford said. It takes an overnight recharging to keep it fully charged.

"You get about 55 or 60 kilometres of driving. So as a 40 km/h vehicle, you're good for an hour or an hour-and-a-half of steady driving."

"But nobody drives this kind of car like that. This is a stop-and-go urban core, neighbourhood type of vehicle."

It also has enough storage space, as was demonstrated on television's "The Rick Mercer Report" by filling the back of a Zenn with beer.

"We fit 20 cases of beer in the hatch. So it's an ideal Canadian weekend grocery shopping car," Clifford joked.

Zenn now has a line of cars with an alternating current drive which allows motorists to accelerate when going up hills, which suits markets such as San Francisco, or B.C.

The company is launching a model that has air conditioning with the latest coolants that Clifford said aren't ozone-depleting and is also launching heating system to keep the battery pack warm in winter.

Shares in Zenn closed down 22 cents, 5.6 per cent, Friday on the Toronto Stock Exchange at $3.74.

[st7860]

for the same 12,000 to 15,000 you could get a 2003 toyota prius.

[mangoman]

for the same 12,000 to 15,000 you could get a 2003 toyota prius.

That's true - depends on your needs, however with a 2003 prius you'd be driving a car that's probably going to be out of warranty this year if it's not already, it's not a Zero-emissions vehicle (and yes depending where you live, charging the Zenn may create emissions - Quebec uses Hydro-electricity), and buying a Zenn does directly support a Canadian company.

[Tender]

for the same 12,000 to 15,000 you could get a 2003 toyota prius.

Well I'd definitely go for it if it's for sale in Ontario. I've had enough with the "Big" carmakers, including their "puppy" mentioned in the article above.

[st7860]

That's true - depends on your needs, however with a 2003 prius you'd be driving a car that's probably going to be out of warranty this year if it's not already, it's not a Zero-emissions vehicle (and yes depending where you live, charging the Zenn may create emissions - Quebec uses Hydro-electricity), and buying a Zenn does directly support a Canadian company.

of course its not zero emissions. but a 2003 prius is the closest thing to a real car(toyota corolla) that you can get. or a 2004 prius, which costs a bit more, is the new one, that is close to a toyota camry.

cab drivers in Vancouver love them, not only because of the gas savings, but because the cars last a long time, including out of warranty.

the problem comes mostly when you hit something or something hits you then you need fancy repairs, other than that the cars rarely need repairs, including battery replacements.

[mangoman]

of course its not zero emissions. but a 2003 prius is the closest thing to a real car(toyota corolla) that you can get. or a 2004 prius, which costs a bit more, is the new one, that is close to a toyota camry.

cab drivers in Vancouver love them, not only because of the gas savings, but because the cars last a long time, including out of warranty.

the problem comes mostly when you hit something or something hits you then you need fancy repairs, other than that the cars rarely need repairs, including battery replacements.

Like I said, different vehicles for different needs - why are there $1000-$2000 bicycles out there? People want them and need them for their specific need (I don't do any serious mountain-biking/racing so I would never need one but that doesn't mean someone else doesn't). And who knows if people are allowed to buy this car, then that may put enough $ in the builder's pockets or get more investment to develop something that can be driven on the highway in the not-too-distant future.

http://www.autoindustry.co.uk/news/09-12-07

Now back to the topic of this thread ... :) Hey this was my 100th post which means I'm no longer a n00b! :)

[Georgian]

Did RIV update the admissable list? Honda still list all models (MPV) made after Sep 07 as inadmissable except 08 Pilot.

[mangoman]

Did RIV update the admissable list? Honda still list all models (MPV) made after Sep 07 as inadmissable except 08 Pilot.

Based on the govt. press release that someone else posted, check the RIV.ca list on Dec. 26th (or more likely the 27th since Boxing Day is a stat. holiday)!

[Cars4Canadians]

It retails between US$12,000 and $15,000 ? :)
does that mean it will be priced 17K to 21K in Canada? Or will we see a 1:1 price? lol


for the same 12,000 to 15,000 you could get a 2003 toyota prius.

[the Bez]

I am interested in a 2008 Rav4 from the US and I understand that sometime in 2008 production is being shifted from Japan to their new plant in Woodstock, Ontario. Does anyone know when production at the new plant is set to begin? I have searched all over the web and can only find "sometime in 2008".

I am willing to wait a couple of months to avoid the extra 6.1% duty, but don't particularly want to wait until late 2008 to do my purchase. It could be inadmissable by then for all I know.

Anybody have any information about the production start date of the new Toyota Woodstock plant?

[freewheel]

That's true - depends on your needs, however with a 2003 prius you'd be driving a car that's probably going to be out of warranty this year if it's not already, it's not a Zero-emissions vehicle (and yes depending where you live, charging the Zenn may create emissions - Quebec uses Hydro-electricity), and buying a Zenn does directly support a Canadian company.


Main problem withthese things is the 40km/hr max. speed. Even in downtown Toronto at least 50 km/hr is needed if not 60.

If they could make this thing to go 60, I'd buy one.

[torontostar1966]

I just had a phone call with the officer at the boarder(7162821500-3) before I fax all my documents. He told me that they don't accept fax anymore, either original or certified copy by mail.

Any body got any idea for this?

[mangoman]

MSN article here (http://finance.sympatico.msn.ca/savingsdebt/johncaspar/article.aspx?cp-documentid=5890892)

Way more accurate than any of the propaganda put out by the manufacturers and their toadies so far! Hope this reaches lots of people logging into/out of their hotmail accounts. :)

U.S. car buying a smart investment
In the market for a new car? You really need to look at the price difference between buying in Canada and the U.S. It can be worth thousands of dollars to you.


By John Caspar
December 20, 2007
One of the strategies of the best hedge fund investors is arbitrage. Arbitrage is the simple business of identifying mispricing on something that trades in more than one market, such that the trader can buy in one market and sell in another at a profit. Arbitrageurs perform an important function, since by the very act of "arbing", they eliminate the market inefficiency that caused the mispricing in the first place.

A simple example of how "arbs" make the market efficient can be seen in the pricing of stocks that trade simultaneously in both Canada and the United States. How is it that at any given moment, the trading price of an interlisted company can be more or less the same in each market, even when adjusted for an independently fluctuating currency exchange rate? That amazing self-adjusting characteristic isn't managed by some central planning agency that exists to ensure fairness in cross-border markets - it's an effect produced by self-interested arbitrageurs. If a profitable gap occurred, opportunistic arbs would buy in one market and sell in the other, effectively removing the pricing discrepancy and putting it their pockets. Once again, Adam Smith's "invisible hand" asserts itself.

When arbitrage opportunities come up, they can be wildly profitable. And they're compelling because a true arb opportunity is a low-risk affair - the profit is baked into the trade by virtue of the inefficiency that's being exploited.

Now, as it turns out, arbitrage opportunities aren't just the purview of hedge fund managers sitting in sophisticated electronic trading centres high above Manhattan. There's an arb opportunity presenting itself to Canadian consumers right now that's just too good to pass up. If you're in the market for a new car, you really need to look at the price difference between buying in Canada and the U.S. It can be worth thousands of dollars to you.

In pictures: Luxury car prices: U.S. vs. Canada
Prices of Canada's top ten cars here and in the U.S.

Here's the deal: At least in recent history, cars for sale in the United States have had much lower nominal dollar prices than cars for sale in Canada. When the Canadian dollar was well below par with the U.S. buck, after you calculated the exchange rate, the real price difference wasn't high enough to justify the inconvenience cost of buying and importing a U.S. vehicle. But now that our dollar is sitting nearly par with the U.S. dollar, the math has shifted, and consumers can be well rewarded for the additional effort required to shop Stateside.

Here's an example, straight from the waiting room of the import office of the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) in Surrey, B.C. When I was there last week, there was a Canadian couple waiting to import their new 2008 Volvo XC70. They lived in the Lower Mainland of B.C., and had shopped on both sides of the border for the car they wanted. They found the U.S. dealers to be just as helpful and just as interested in winning their business as the Canadian dealers. They said that the warranty on their new car was a North American warranty, so it didn't matter where they bought it or brought it for service. But they said that buying a U.S. car saved them - in Canadian dollars, after all costs and sitting in their driveway - seventeen thousand dollars.

I know. Nice arb! And isn't an unusual story. The CBSA's Pacific Highway Crossing office told me that they are currently processing over one hundred car imports a week. That's a fair bit of arbitrage going on. And no wonder. As my Volvo couple told me about the extra time they invested over buying locally, "This is the highest pay per hour we'll ever earn."

Tell us: Your U.S. car buying experience

The arb opportunity isn't limited to new cars, either. If you're a firm advocate of buying used cars (and that's exactly what the average millionaire does, according to Thomas J. Stanley's fascinating research in The Millionaire Next Door), you'll want to check out eBay Motors and compare the cost of the vehicle you want to its cost in your local market. Even after shipping and other "friction" costs, you may well find that buying a U.S. vehicle is the smart money play in the current economic environment. I have three Canadian friends who've imported used cars from the U.S. in the last year or so, and their average savings over buying the same car locally has been about $8,000.

So how can you take advantage of the arb opportunity that currently exists for Canadian car buyers? The nice folks at the Registrar of Imported Vehicles have made it pretty easy for you with their step-by-step guide at www.riv.ca. I've personally brought in two vehicles in the last five years, and I can tell you from experience that the process is clear (if somewhat cumbersome), the folks at the border offices on both sides are friendly and helpful, and the opportunity is as real as it seems. You can do all the homework you require - right down to the selection of vehicle - with a computer and a phone.

It's a dandy savings opportunity that, sooner or later, is bound to be arbed out of the market. If you're in the market for a vehicle, give this trade a look.

© 2007 John Caspar

[Monsieurmaggot]

MSN article here (http://finance.sympatico.msn.ca/savingsdebt/johncaspar/article.aspx?cp-documentid=5890892)

Way more accurate than any of the propaganda put out by the manufacturers and their toadies so far! Hope this reaches lots of people logging into/out of their hotmail accounts. :)

U.S. car buying a smart investment
In the market for a new car? You really need to look at the price difference between buying in Canada and the U.S. It can be worth thousands of dollars to you.


By John Caspar
December 20, 2007
One of the strategies of the best hedge fund investors is arbitrage. Arbitrage is the simple business of identifying mispricing on something that trades in more than one market, such that the trader can buy in one market and sell in another at a profit. Arbitrageurs perform an important function, since by the very act of "arbing", they eliminate the market inefficiency that caused the mispricing in the first place.

A simple example of how "arbs" make the market efficient can be seen in the pricing of stocks that trade simultaneously in both Canada and the United States. How is it that at any given moment, the trading price of an interlisted company can be more or less the same in each market, even when adjusted for an independently fluctuating currency exchange rate? That amazing self-adjusting characteristic isn't managed by some central planning agency that exists to ensure fairness in cross-border markets - it's an effect produced by self-interested arbitrageurs. If a profitable gap occurred, opportunistic arbs would buy in one market and sell in the other, effectively removing the pricing discrepancy and putting it their pockets. Once again, Adam Smith's "invisible hand" asserts itself.

When arbitrage opportunities come up, they can be wildly profitable. And they're compelling because a true arb opportunity is a low-risk affair - the profit is baked into the trade by virtue of the inefficiency that's being exploited.

Now, as it turns out, arbitrage opportunities aren't just the purview of hedge fund managers sitting in sophisticated electronic trading centres high above Manhattan. There's an arb opportunity presenting itself to Canadian consumers right now that's just too good to pass up. If you're in the market for a new car, you really need to look at the price difference between buying in Canada and the U.S. It can be worth thousands of dollars to you.

In pictures: Luxury car prices: U.S. vs. Canada
Prices of Canada's top ten cars here and in the U.S.

Here's the deal: At least in recent history, cars for sale in the United States have had much lower nominal dollar prices than cars for sale in Canada. When the Canadian dollar was well below par with the U.S. buck, after you calculated the exchange rate, the real price difference wasn't high enough to justify the inconvenience cost of buying and importing a U.S. vehicle. But now that our dollar is sitting nearly par with the U.S. dollar, the math has shifted, and consumers can be well rewarded for the additional effort required to shop Stateside.

Here's an example, straight from the waiting room of the import office of the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) in Surrey, B.C. When I was there last week, there was a Canadian couple waiting to import their new 2008 Volvo XC70. They lived in the Lower Mainland of B.C., and had shopped on both sides of the border for the car they wanted. They found the U.S. dealers to be just as helpful and just as interested in winning their business as the Canadian dealers. They said that the warranty on their new car was a North American warranty, so it didn't matter where they bought it or brought it for service. But they said that buying a U.S. car saved them - in Canadian dollars, after all costs and sitting in their driveway - seventeen thousand dollars.

I know. Nice arb! And isn't an unusual story. The CBSA's Pacific Highway Crossing office told me that they are currently processing over one hundred car imports a week. That's a fair bit of arbitrage going on. And no wonder. As my Volvo couple told me about the extra time they invested over buying locally, "This is the highest pay per hour we'll ever earn."

Tell us: Your U.S. car buying experience

The arb opportunity isn't limited to new cars, either. If you're a firm advocate of buying used cars (and that's exactly what the average millionaire does, according to Thomas J. Stanley's fascinating research in The Millionaire Next Door), you'll want to check out eBay Motors and compare the cost of the vehicle you want to its cost in your local market. Even after shipping and other "friction" costs, you may well find that buying a U.S. vehicle is the smart money play in the current economic environment. I have three Canadian friends who've imported used cars from the U.S. in the last year or so, and their average savings over buying the same car locally has been about $8,000.

So how can you take advantage of the arb opportunity that currently exists for Canadian car buyers? The nice folks at the Registrar of Imported Vehicles have made it pretty easy for you with their step-by-step guide at www.riv.ca. I've personally brought in two vehicles in the last five years, and I can tell you from experience that the process is clear (if somewhat cumbersome), the folks at the border offices on both sides are friendly and helpful, and the opportunity is as real as it seems. You can do all the homework you require - right down to the selection of vehicle - with a computer and a phone.

It's a dandy savings opportunity that, sooner or later, is bound to be arbed out of the market. If you're in the market for a vehicle, give this trade a look.

© 2007 John Caspar

Excellent article. I wonder how long before the Canadian automotive sector complain and start pulling advertising from the MSN site.

Imagine that, the automotive sector taking on Bill Gates.

[Kamloops]

Another example of the price difference


Taken from here
http://en.autos.sympatico.msn.ca/guides_and_advice/article.aspx?cp-documentid=5887701



A short-run feature
Only 7,700 2008 Mustang Bullitts will be built, 700 of them destined for Canada. And therein hangs a tale.
Ford Mustang Bullitt

We usually like to tell you the price of the car early on in the review. But Ford has a lot of 'splainin' to do on this count.

The day I drove this car, the Canadian dollar was sitting at $1.10 US. Yet the Canadian price of the Bullitt is $38,494, consisting of $33,999 for the base GT and a $4,495 hit for the Bullitt package. Not bad in itself.

But in the States, the car lists at $31,075, which at an exchange rate of 1.10 is $28,250 CDN. A difference of $10,244.

I wish we had the ability to display numbers in larger, bold-face type - that is 36 PER CENT more in Canada!

No amount of "higher cost of doing business in Canada" alibi-ing can explain that away.

So if you want a Mustang Bullitt - and there is a lot to like here - there's got to be a Ford dealer just across the border who'd love to see you and your big fat Canadian loonies.

[RSD]

With idrive, you can enable dlr yourself so what is with BMW! I hate them. Has anyone asked the Dealer about idrive and why they have to change the cluster>


from what i've read it is becuase bmwca wants to make drls permanent. i guess canadian spec clusters remove the drl option from idrive.

This is what Jessel gave me for a z4

4. A Provincial Safety Inspection and BMW Inspection must be completed before the request is submitted for the Recall Document.

Provincial Safety and BMW inspection: $328.75 (2.5hr)



5. Upon the completion of all the requirements the retailer will submit the request to BMW Canada. The request for the recall document will take 15-20 business days to be processed.

Recall Document: $500.00

i thought the $500 recall letter included the letter, a bmw inspection, and a vin check?

[Nitol]

I faxed RIV the printout I got from a GM dealership in States about no outstanding recalls on my vehicle.They emailed me the inspection form.

1-Does that mean the printout was sufficient for recall clearance (for RIV)?
2-Do I now need to convince CT/inspection center as well or the fact that I have my forms is proof enough that the requirement has been met already?
3-Why does the form asks again (in section 4) whether "the recall clearance is not required on this vehicle"?

[J233]

I faxed RIV the printout I got from a GM dealership in States about no outstanding recalls on my vehicle.They emailed me the inspection form.

1-Does that mean the printout was sufficient for recall clearance (for RIV)?
2-Do I now need to convince CT/inspection center as well or the fact that I have my forms is proof enough that the requirement has been met already?
3-Why does the form asks again (in section 4) whether "the recall clearance is not required on this vehicle"?

RE #1. If you got Form 2 it means that they accepted the printout as a recall clearance letter (but it would not hurt to give RIV a call and ask them to check your file). Mine was rejected so I had to shed 250.00 for one from Vintage. Then, I got an email with Form 2.

Re #2. No need to convince CT folks, just bring your Form 1 (they will stamp it) and Form 2 (they will stamp it and fax it to RIV).

RE #3. It does not ask but rather states that you don't have to show your recall clearance letter to CT folks. I had the very same statement on my Form 2, there was no need to show the clearance letter at CT. I think this is to capture the change in RIV policy that says that Form2 will not be released without clearance letter. When I imported a travel trailer 4 years ago I had to show my clearance letter to CT folks during the inspection but I also got Form 2 in advance.

[LoDown]

Being an employee at the dealership level and dealing with people who are trying to import vehicles almost on a daily basis i've followed this thread with interest. I haven't made it through all 700 odd pages but maybe i can shed some light on a few issues.

I work for one of the Big 3 and have seen emails sent to US dealers from corporate HQ strictly banning the sale of "new" vehicles to individuals or brokers who intend on directly importing them into Canada. the repurcussions are very severe for dealerships that break these rules ranging from huge fines ( one particular store had to pay somewhere in the neighborhood $500,000) to having their dealer licence revoked.
In regards to clearance letters my store recently tripled the price to over $200 and on top of that we will not provide them period for any vehicle 2007 or newer. I personally don't have a problem with it now. I used to cringe waiting for the response when someone would ask for one and i had to tell them it was 75 bucks now i get a kick out of it.... this business will make you jaded very fast.

The last thing is regarding Warranty. The company i work for will not perform any warranty work on vehicels imported from the states. This is not a mandate from the corporation it's simply my dealerships position and i can guarantee you it is very legal, we will simply refuse to work on your vehicle. The reasoning behind this is that we have our own customers to service not taking into account customers from other local dealers who help employ directly and indirectly 1000's of people by purchasing their vehicles locally.
This practice is already common place up north where people who purchased their vehicles in the lower mainland can't get warranty work done because the dealerships are more concerned with their own customers.
All in all be careful when buying a vehicle down south you may save on the initial purchase but you will most likely be in for a whole world of headaches in the future with the hard line Candian subsidiaries are taking.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...this guy and his dealership are heading for the iceberg as well.

We are a helpful bunch on this site, here is a link for you:

http://www100.hrdc-drhc.gc.ca/ae-ei/dem-app/english/home2.html

[ericky]

5. Upon the completion of all the requirements the retailer will submit the request to BMW Canada. The request for the recall document will take 15-20 business days to be processed.

Recall Document: $500.00

15-20 days and $500 to pay a monkey to punch a number into a computer! WFT? Isn't it my right to know if my car is safe or subject to saftey recalls? My guess on the effort...20 seconds. I'm sure someone who imported before these asinine rules and got this letter from a US dealer can probably attest to this. I think it's actually good they're being so flagrant at least in the long term since it makes it easier to build public opinion against them and may be easier to build a case to sue.

I hear Volvo is heading this way as well, and Mercedes is already there. Pretty soon all car manufacturers will be doing this and free trade will be dead.

[Nitol]

RE #1. If you got Form 2 it means that they accepted the printout as a recall clearance letter (but it would not hurt to give RIV a call and ask them to check your file). Mine was rejected so I had to shed 250.00 for one from Vintage. Then, I got an email with Form 2.

Re #2. No need to convince CT folks, just bring your Form 1 (they will stamp it) and Form 2 (they will stamp it and fax it to RIV).

RE #3. It does not ask but rather states that you don't have to show your recall clearance letter to CT folks. I had the very same statement on my Form 2, there was no need to show the clearance letter at CT. I think this is to capture the change in RIV policy that says that Form2 will not be released without clearance letter. When I imported a travel trailer 4 years ago I had to show my clearance letter to CT folks during the inspection but I also got Form 2 in advance.

Thanks so much.

[ericky]

15-20 days and $500 to pay a monkey to punch a number into a computer! WFT? Isn't it my right to know if my car is safe or subject to saftey recalls? My guess on the effort...20 seconds. I'm sure someone who imported before these asinine rules and got this letter from a US dealer can probably attest to this. I think it's actually good they're being so flagrant at least in the long term since it makes it easier to build public opinion against them and may be easier to build a case to sue.

I hear Volvo is heading this way as well, and Mercedes is already there. Pretty soon all car manufacturers will be doing this and free trade will be dead.

I just sent this off to RIV:

Dear RIV,



I understand from BMW’s website that they are charging $500 for a recall clearance letter.



The relevant text from their website is pasted verbatim below:

“Once you have the letter of admissibility you must bring your vehicle to a Canadian BMW Retailer and apply for a ‘recall clearance letter’ (Please note: This document will confirm there are no recalls on your imported US BMW and is the only document Registrar of Imported Vehicles (RIV) will accept). The letter will cost $500.00 and take 15-20 business days to process. While your vehicle is there you should have the daytime running lights activated as this is mandatory and can only be done at a Canadian BMW Retailer.” [http://www.bmw.ca/content/pressReleases/can_us_faq_fs.asp?lang=en]



My understanding from Transport Canada’s Motor Vehicle Safety Act, subsection 10.(1), Notice of Safety Defect, “Obligation to give notice” is that the vehicle manufacturer is legally required to cause notice of the defect to be given in the prescribed manner to each current owner of such a vehicle.



The relevant section of the Act is pasted verbatim below:

NOTICE OF SAFETY DEFECTS

Obligation to give notice

10. (1) A company that manufactures, sells or imports any vehicle or equipment of a class for which standards are prescribed shall, on becoming aware of a defect in the design, construction or functioning of the vehicle or equipment that affects or is likely to affect the safety of any person, cause notice of the defect to be given in the prescribed manner to

(a) the Minister;

(b) each person who has obtained such a vehicle or equipment from the company; and

(c) each current owner of such a vehicle or equipment as determined

(i) from any warranty issued by the company with respect to the functioning of the vehicle or equipment that has, to its knowledge, been given, sold or transferred to the current owner,

(ii) in the case of a vehicle, from provincial motor vehicle registration records, or

(iii) in the case of equipment, from a registration system referred to in paragraph 5(1)(h).

[http://www.tc.gc.ca/acts-regulations/GENERAL/m/mvsa/act/mvsa.html#VEHICLE%20AND%20EQUIPMENT%20STANDARDS]



My concern is that BMW is not fulfilling its legal obligation under the Motor Vehicle Safety Act by requiring purchasers of vehicles to pay for this recall notice. In this matter of safety, BMW would appear to be violating the Act by effectively withholding this information due to their charging $500 for this requirement. Also, the waiting period for the recall letter appears to be unreasonable.



I look forward to your reply,

[propofol]

I just sent this off to RIV:

Dear RIV,



I understand from BMW’s website that they are charging $500 for a recall clearance letter.



The relevant text from their website is pasted verbatim below:

“Once you have the letter of admissibility you must bring your vehicle to a Canadian BMW Retailer and apply for a ‘recall clearance letter’ (Please note: This document will confirm there are no recalls on your imported US BMW and is the only document Registrar of Imported Vehicles (RIV) will accept). The letter will cost $500.00 and take 15-20 business days to process. While your vehicle is there you should have the daytime running lights activated as this is mandatory and can only be done at a Canadian BMW Retailer.” [http://www.bmw.ca/content/pressReleases/can_us_faq_fs.asp?lang=en]


Nice email - looking forward to hearing the results. Too bad TC's site doesn't prescribe that the letter has to be provided free of charge to the customer, although I'm sure that was the intent... It was never meant to be used as a protectionist clause for the manufacturer! :evil: :evil:

[freewheel]

I found reference to this on another forum. Apparently some people are being given a form 2 with only a carfax report used as a recall clearance letter.

The following is on the RIV website under news alerts:

Carfax selected to provide vehicle history for Canada's Registrar of Imported Vehicles
May 23, 2006
Carfax announced that Adminserv Canada L.P., a subsidiary of Livingston International Inc., has selected Carfax as the exclusive vehicle history provider for the Registrar of Imported Vehicles (RIV) contract it administers on behalf of Transport Canada.

http://www.riv.ca/english/html/news_alert.html

If this is true it has major implications for people being gouged for recall letters from manufacturers.

Can anyone confirm this?

[Sentinels]

I noticed that on most vehicle purchase agreements, there is a clause which says vehicle cannot be exported for 1 year after buyer takes ownership. He/She would be responsible for any penalties imposed on the dealership by the manufacturer if the vehicle was exported.

I am looking to purchase the car through a friend and don't want any trouble for him, so can anyone shed some light in terms of if there's actually anything the dealer will do? Or has anyone ever heard of a dealer actually suing a buyer???

[brendonp]

I just sent this off to RIV:

Dear RIV,

I understand from BMW’s website that they are charging $500 for a recall clearance letter.
....


Excellent letter - I'm also looking forward to the reply. I did pay the $500 fee for my wife's Mini 5 or 6 months ago, and when I complained on this board at the time, no one thought it was a big deal - however, it never "smelled" right to me. If it helps, I phoned my local Mini dealership and they sent me the recall letter the same day - certainly different from 15-20 days. I laughed at the attached Carfax report; it felt like they were trying to build up the documentation package, since it was basically just a single sheet of paper that was valuable - and obviously not worth $500 dollars.

I suspect I may be returning to BMW at some point to collect the $500 that they've borrowed from me....

[showMeAnImport]

I noticed that on most vehicle purchase agreements, there is a clause which says vehicle cannot be exported for 1 year after buyer takes ownership. He/She would be responsible for any penalties imposed on the dealership by the manufacturer if the vehicle was exported.

I am looking to purchase the car through a friend and don't want any trouble for him, so can anyone shed some light in terms of if there's actually anything the dealer will do? Or has anyone ever heard of a dealer actually suing a buyer???

Yeah, whatever....

The buyer has the full right to sell their vehicle to who ever they want....and I would love to see them try and take someone to court over it...that would be ********. Any judge would likely laugh it right back out the door....

Cheers

[vim]

I just had a phone call with the officer at the boarder(7162821500-3) before I fax all my documents. He told me that they don't accept fax anymore, either original or certified copy by mail.

Any body got any idea for this?

I do not know who is "he", but if you press option "7162821500-3-1" to get export requirements you will be told by recorded voice that you have to fax document, rewrite VIN,...

So that means fax still works.

[jasz]

I just had a phone call with the officer at the boarder(7162821500-3) before I fax all my documents. He told me that they don't accept fax anymore, either original or certified copy by mail.

Any body got any idea for this?

What? I faxed my papers last night and got a call this morning saying all is good. I asked her when can i bring my vehicle through. She said Monday is fine. She mentioned they are closing early on Monday so make sure to come in early.
Even in the day yesterday, I spoke to one of the officers at lewiston/Queenston and he said faxes r fine.

US Customs telling you.. Different officers, different answers...
I just hope for the best when i cross the border with my 07 MDX!!!

[warpdryv]

aww, poor bmw. layoffs coming. maybe that's why they need the $500.

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/BUSINESS/12/21/bmw.jobs.ap/index.html

[Lost Horizon]

aww, poor bmw. layoffs coming. maybe that's why they need the $500.

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/BUSINESS/12/21/bmw.jobs.ap/index.html

ahh.. that sound of consumer scraping along the hull groans louder... perhaps the oompa tuba player should stop for a second and reflect on the unthinkable unsinkable.. naww... more champaign bitte, garcon.. wot? we are still hours out of New York? not possible! Play on, o invincible titanic band.. Celine will retire soon.. so we p*ssed off a few "customers" (laughter breaks out in the great room).. who cares? there are more where they came from.. (the deck lurches ever so slightly as the faint sound of tinkling ice drifts up to deck 6... fade to ominous newfoundland fog)..

[showMeAnImport]

ahh.. that sound of consumer scraping along the hull groans louder... perhaps the oompa tuba player should stop for a second and reflect on the unthinkable .. naww... more champaign bitte, garcon.. wot? we are still hours out of New York? not possible! Play on, o invincible titanic band.. Celine will retire soon.. so we p*ssed off a few "customers" (laughter in the room).. who cares? there are more where they came from.. (the deck lurches ever so slightly... fade to ominous newfoundland fog)..

They could right out of business completely and I wouldn't even flinch....

With their current behavior they do not deserve to be in business...

Cheers

[J233]

Excellent letter - I'm also looking forward to the reply. I did pay the $500 fee for my wife's Mini 5 or 6 months ago, and when I complained on this board at the time, no one thought it was a big deal - however, it never "smelled" right to me. If it helps, I phoned my local Mini dealership and they sent me the recall letter the same day - certainly different from 15-20 days. I laughed at the attached Carfax report; it felt like they were trying to build up the documentation package, since it was basically just a single sheet of paper that was valuable - and obviously not worth $500 dollars.

I suspect I may be returning to BMW at some point to collect the $500 that they've borrowed from me....

Same here...would love to get back my $250 I had to pay GM for mine....

[Cars4Canadians]

Hmmm,
I guess they exploited the have nots and now can fire them.


I hope BMW Canada chokes on their profits, scum of the earth they are.

aww, poor bmw. layoffs coming. maybe that's why they need the $500.

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/BUSINESS/12/21/bmw.jobs.ap/index.html

[Danno2005]

This is my first post after reading this entire thread over the past couple of months.

I did respond to this link that was posted a few weeks ago -

http://www.northernlife.ca/News/Lifestyle/2007/11-23-07-carstop.asp?NLStory=11-23-07-carstop

They won't likely print it - but to paraphrase what I said -

"Why is someone from Vancouver commenting on this article? Because it is circulating the Internet as yet another example of media misinformation.

Internet savvy Canadians can instantly prove you wrong with a few mouse-clicks.

The lack of fact-checking in these articles has journalist's reputations falling by the wayside from coast to coast.

(I then posted a comparison of the Ford Edge US vs Canada where the 4.9% Canadian finance rate couldn't compare with the cash savings of $9000 even if financed at 8% with a non-car bank loan.) I pointed out a savings of $1100 on PST and GST alone.

I also added that if it is now Ford's policy to refuse or delay service to the travelling public in need of repairs - that it is one more nail in Ford's coffin.

Reputations are at stake and are becoming well known - dealers, salesmen and the media need to think things through before publishing misleading or fraudulent misinformation."

Letting them know that what they print influences the public's perception of their integrity, ethics and reputation just may get them to re-think their bottom line if they lose their subscribers.

I have noticed used BMWs and Mercedes on dealers lots all over town for the last three years. A local Kia dealer had about 30. You could save a lot of money buying US cars even when the Loonie was 70 cents.

There is no going back. Canadians seem to have been calculator-challenged in the past - but now even if the Loonie slides - they will still figure it out.

Congratulations to all those who have purchased in the U.S. and saved thousands.

I haven't bought yet - but thanks to this forum - I know what I WON'T be buying and I imagine thousands of other lurkers who read this thread feel the same.

Just returned from servicing my Ford Escape at the other Ford dealer in Sudbury. They just brought up 6 Ford Explorers today from the US to sell in their used car lot. Checked out the speedo myself.

I guess they didn't read the article??

:cheesygri :twisted:

[rjmbc]

Updated list has just been posted to RIV website

[accorder]

Just returned from servicing my Ford Escape at the other Ford dealer in Sudbury. They just brought up 6 Ford Explorers today from the US to sell in their used car lot. Checked out the speedo myself.

I guess they didn't read the article??

:cheesygri :twisted:

actually it might not be a bad thing for dealers to sell U.S. vechiles. Soon the Canadian car companies will have to slash the price to move the new car inventory. No matter what I won't even visit any dealers till prices come down meaningfully. Let the dealers put pressure on the car companies.

[Danno2005]

actually it might not be a bad thing for dealers to sell U.S. vechiles. Soon the Canadian car companies will have to slash the price to move the new car inventory. No matter what I won't even visit any dealers till prices come down meaningfully. Let the dealers put pressure on the car companies.

Clear message from car industry is "Do as I say, don't do as I do"

Not sustainable in the long term.

[03terminator]

Tide went out. GM is exposed. New RIV list.

Inadmissible

2008 Cadillac XLR. The
vehicle cannot be modified
to meet CMVSS 215
(bumpers).
2008 Corvette models
Coupe, Convertible and
Z06. The vehicle cannot
be modified to meet
CMVSS 215 (bumpers).

With the demise of the immobilizer roadblock. Suddenly, the bumpers cannot be modified to meet the Canadian standard. Yet, the pre 08 c6 vette can be modified. Same car. I smell fear.

[Prof]

Well, I'm finally taking the plunge and put a deposit on the first of two cars we'll be buying over the next few weeks. This one is in Minneapolis.

I've searched the forums and googled but haven't found the exact info I need. Can someone point me to a listing of hours of operation for border crossings for Manitoba and/or Saskatchewan? The info effects my timing. There's lots of talk around BC and Ontario but (naturally) less for those of us out here. I did check carburner (in my favourites!) but the listings we more for east and west of us here.

Thanks

[st7860]

Well, I'm finally taking the plunge and put a deposit on the first of two cars we'll be buying over the next few weeks. This one is in Minneapolis.

I've searched the forums and googled but haven't found the exact info I need. Can someone point me to a listing of hours of operation for border crossings for Manitoba and/or Saskatchewan? The info effects my timing. There's lots of talk around BC and Ontario but (naturally) less for those of us out here. I did check carburner (in my favourites!) but the listings we more for east and west of us here.

Thanks

www.cbsa.gc.ca

[rjmbc]

Well, I'm finally taking the plunge and put a deposit on the first of two cars we'll be buying over the next few weeks. This one is in Minneapolis.

I've searched the forums and googled but haven't found the exact info I need. Can someone point me to a listing of hours of operation for border crossings for Manitoba and/or Saskatchewan? The info effects my timing. There's lots of talk around BC and Ontario but (naturally) less for those of us out here. I did check carburner (in my favourites!) but the listings we more for east and west of us here.

Thanks

http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/toolbox/contacts/ports/nd/ - this takes you to the US side - North Dakota

[Prof]

Thanks for the links and the PM's. Here goes!

[Cars4Canadians]

Wow that is just sick, i feel so angry at the ass-hole manufacturers, that i am starting to feel like i don't want to purchase another car ever again.


Tide went out. GM is exposed. New RIV list.

Inadmissible

2008 Cadillac XLR. The
vehicle cannot be modified
to meet CMVSS 215
(bumpers).
2008 Corvette models
Coupe, Convertible and
Z06. The vehicle cannot
be modified to meet
CMVSS 215 (bumpers).

With the demise of the immobilizer roadblock. Suddenly, the bumpers cannot be modified to meet the Canadian standard. Yet, the pre 08 c6 vette can be modified. Same car. I smell fear.

[joe friday]

Main problem withthese things is the 40km/hr max. speed. Even in downtown Toronto at least 50 km/hr is needed if not 60.

If they could make this thing to go 60, I'd buy one.

+1 my thoughts exactly!

If I'm stuck behind someone going 40 km/hr I go mental!

[real_term]

Hi guys,

I am in Alberta and looking for Toyota dealers willing to sell to Canadians.
I am in the market for a Sienna. Please pm me if you know any.

Thanks.

[klunn]

Same here re: sienna from the post a few up. Looking for AWD SE if anyone knows :)

[showMeAnImport]

Updated list has just been posted to RIV website

? The list still says Dec 12...

Cheers

[scouzi]

There's an article in french which explains BMW's actions . There is no specific reference to them but it's easy to see now. More and more luxury used cars are imported in Canada (Quebec) and it is denting sales of new ones because of the HUGE price difference between new Canadian models and slightly used US models. BMW is no longer only trying to prevent NEW cars from being imported. They're doing it for all cars.

http://monvolant.cyberpresse.ca/200712/21/dossiers/autos-doccasion/6590-autos-doccasion-les-achats-aux-etats-unis-doublent.php

The stats were compiled by the SAAQ (Quebec's MOT).

43 000 used cars imported last year in Quebec. The number is projected to be 80 000 this year.

[allknowing]

Came thru yesterday with my 07 Saturn Outlook .. there were 4 Van Bortel Subarus along side me and a Honda Pilot and H2 Hummer .. US Customs was definitely understaffed -- but as long as the fax was there they were quick and happy -- if it wasnt they didnt want to deal with you. My fax was there and I was out of there in 10 minutes.
Canadian customs was more like a Walmart -- had the greeter, the paperwork folks, the sales rep then off to the cashier. Oh and dont forget the customs agent on the way out checking out the cars and seeing how much money you saved :-)
(Queenston/Lewiston around 2:30pm)

[mangoman]

? The list still says Dec 12...

Cheers

Try the .pdf link (although I just checked the html link and it's been updated as well):

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/VAFUS.pdf

Basically, adds a new EIS designation (read the notes about immobilizers) - Scion xD's are not admissable I'm guessing because of the bumpers? :( Guess I'll have to wait for the 2009 Vibe (I actually like it better than the 2009 matrix).

[agepag]

? The list still says Dec 12...

Cheers

WOOOHOOO, 2008 Subaru sti ADMISSILE!! Thats great news, now I just have to make sure that the local Subaru dealership will still give me warranty. Its nice to see that the powers that be are at least not giving in to the Canadian Auto Maunfactures who are trying to screw the "little" guy who's trying to save abuck. On a side note, when I went to the dealer he gave me the big speech about when I go and sell my US car I will have a very hard time and it will be worth a fration of a Canadain car, I asked him, if I am saving roughly $8000-$10,000 plus the US spec car comes with Navi, which the Canadain car dosen't, in 5-6 years when I go and sell it if I am $8000 dollars cheaper then the next car will I have that hard of a time? O well.

[vim]

Hi,

When bringing car over, you need to inform customs 72 hours in advance. I want to come by with car and leave title of origin at US customs and leave car in US to wait for 72 hours.
Anyone knows where can I leave car at Queenston/Lewiston entry? Any idea how much this would cost for 3-4 days?

Thanks

[newid07]

HOORRAY! That's a victory! Thanks to everyone one here who voiced their opion loud and clear!:cheesygri


[QUOTE=mangoman;6138080]Try the .pdf link (although I just checked the html link and it's been updated as well):

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/VAFUS.pdf

[The Red Baron]

I'm from Edmonton & purchased in Las Vegas ( 2008 Acura RDX ). Get an out of state address other than from the dealer state that you purchase the vehicle in so that you don't have to register the vehicle in the dealer state or pay the sales tax of the dealers state that you purchase the vehicle in.

Get a 30 day transit sticker from the dealership to drivr the new vehicle to your address state. fax your forms to US customs 72 hrs before you arrive at US border. they will ask for your original document that you faxed & will stamp it.
Your outa their to the canada side & they will want to see your stamped Document. they will fill out the form 1 & pay your GST & Airconditioning tax ( $ 100.00) Drive the vehicle home.

Call TIV & pay your fee for your Form 2 . once you get the form 2 that will the last hurdel.

Register vehicle.

If you have an USA address they will sell you the Vehicle. Ensure that the vehicle can be Exported from USA and can be Impoeted to canada (RIV Web site )



Hi guys,

I am in Alberta and looking for Toyota dealers willing to sell to Canadians.
I am in the market for a Sienna. Please pm me if you know any.

Thanks.

[agepag]

[QUOTE=The Red Baron;6138905]I'm from Edmonton & purchased in Las Vegas ( 2008 Acura RDX ). Get an out of state address other than from the dealer state that you purchase the vehicle in so that you don't have to register the vehicle in the dealer state or pay the sales tax of the dealers state that you purchase the vehicle in.

What about warranty?

[The Red Baron]

You will have warrenty in USA for sure, and I think it is a better one!!!! than in Canada. "My own opinion".;)

Canadian Vehicle manufactures (cvm)still have their own heads jammed up their own tails!!!

CVM'S are all walking arround with their heads jammed up their own tails so far and " so full of themselves with Puffed up Chests " trying to " BLOW!!! Whippin Poof Dust!!!!:?: " up your's and everyone else's Tails!!!!! with a

" GOLD PLATED STAINLESS STEEL PIPE!!!! ".:D

" NOW YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVERSE THE TREND AND BLOW IT UP THEIR TAILS!!!! " :cheesygri

State of Montana has no sales tax & you can purchase a US Postal Box for $ 60.00 per year. They will forward all your mail.;)


Red Baron
Edmonton, AB

[QUOTE=The Red Baron;6138905]I'm from Edmonton & purchased in Las Vegas ( 2008 Acura RDX ). Get an out of state address other than from the dealer state that you purchase the vehicle in so that you don't have to register the vehicle in the dealer state or pay the sales tax of the dealers state that you purchase the vehicle in.

What about warranty?

[jeffcars]

Anyone knows where can I leave car at Queenston/Lewiston entry? Any idea how much this would cost for 3-4 days?



When I had to leave my car for the 72 hrs, I arranged a deal with the owner directly (the day or night staff don't have authority to do this) at:

Super 8 Motel - Niagara Falls/Buffalo Area
7680 Niagara Falls Blvd
76 Street Niagara Falls Blvd
Niagara Falls, NY, 14304 US
Phone: 716-283-3151
Fax: 716-215-0296

Lots of parking in the back, well lit, security camera, but not the best part of town obviously.

$ 20.00 cash for 4 nights

The handy part about it is if you have to go back to canada in the meantime, there is the shopping shuttle nearby at fashion outlets.

The I-190 is only 2 minutes away and is a very quick drive up to Lewiston.

[zircon]

As many of you know, GM is currently running a print ad showing the cost of an uplander minivan in the USA and in Canada. They show US price is ~20000, Can price is about 19800 or so. Saw an ad today in Detroit newspaper of uplander for around 15,500. So, again, deceptive advertising in Canada. They use MSRP in both countries, when nobody in their right mind would pay that in USA.

[perfchris]

Out of curiosity, did anyone notice the new Canadian flag that GM has designed ? It looks strange ! Imagine if they had done that to the US flag !


As many of you know, GM is currently running a print ad showing the cost of an uplander minivan in the USA and in Canada. They show US price is ~20000, Can price is about 19800 or so. Saw an ad today in Detroit newspaper of uplander for around 15,500. So, again, deceptive advertising in Canada. They use MSRP in both countries, when nobody in their right mind would pay that in USA.

[allknowing]

When I had to leave my car for the 72 hrs, I arranged a deal with the owner directly (the day or night staff don't have authority to do this) at:

Super 8 Motel - Niagara Falls/Buffalo Area
7680 Niagara Falls Blvd
76 Street Niagara Falls Blvd
Niagara Falls, NY, 14304 US
Phone: 716-283-3151
Fax: 716-215-0296

Lots of parking in the back, well lit, security camera, but not the best part of town obviously.

$ 20.00 cash for 4 nights

The handy part about it is if you have to go back to canada in the meantime, there is the shopping shuttle nearby at fashion outlets.

The I-190 is only 2 minutes away and is a very quick drive up to Lewiston.

Any of the lots at the Buffalo airport would work as well. There is a motel near the airport (Best Western?) that lets you park there for a fee for a week or so if you are going to the airport. See google buffalo airport hotels parking etc.

[johnsa]

Contacted Dealer regarding a Letter of Admissibility for a 2002 BMW M3.

Was actually surprised by how helpful they were.

Costs:

Letter Of Admissibility - $350
Software Update for DRL - $103
Recall Letter - $500

So all in all not bad :)

:evil: :evil: OMFG!!!! It has been a couple of months since I have spent time on this thread and about 4 months since I imported my new 2007 Nissan Maxima with no concern for immobolizers, not getting rebates, having dealers cancel as their H/O now forbid them from selling to Cdns....I hear even Subaru is going to stop giving the rebates to Cdns as of Jan1.

Why are we all putting up with this....

$900 is a good deal for stealing money from you just for the right to buy a BMW car..and a 5 yr old one at that..WTF???????...they should be kissing your ass to be so lucky as to have you take the f'ing keys from them..this issue gets me so :evil: ....

Anyone one who reads this stance by BMW and then buys one of their products should have their head examined.....buy another luxury brand, then drive to your local BMW with your shiny new car and thank the BMW owner personally for making your purchase decision so easy!!!!

[santosuares]

What is behind the US Title clearance?
What if you skip this step, knowing that the your car title is 100% clear of any lien?

[johnsa]

I must stop reading this thread..every time I do my blood pressure shoots up and I am likely taking 6 months off my life expectancy!:mad:

[novagolf]

I am now seeing 2008 Subarus being sold with 10,000 miles or less on them. Would they be considered used (i.e. not be effected by the Jan 3rd loss of sales person incentives)? I recognize that the customer rebates are not an issue as they wouldn't apply to these vehicles but as mentioned a number of times it it is the lack of sales commissions and that new sales to Canadians wouldn't count towards a salesman's numbers that is a bigger issue (i.e. no incentive for them to sell to you or at least strike a good deal). After Jan 3rd should we see any change to the prices or salesman's desire to sell used Subarus to Canadians?

[Rehan]

Hi,

When bringing car over, you need to inform customs 72 hours in advance. I want to come by with car and leave title of origin at US customs and leave car in US to wait for 72 hours.
Anyone knows where can I leave car at Queenston/Lewiston entry? Any idea how much this would cost for 3-4 days?

Thanks It might be worth contacting CBI at http://cbiusa.com/Contact_Us.htm to see if they'd be willing to store the car for a few days. They're closed until Thursday, though.

[zircon]

What is behind the US Title clearance?
What if you skip this step, knowing that the your car title is 100% clear of any lien?

The check is not done for your benefit, it is done by the US govt to see if there are liens or if the car is stolen. They stamp your paperwork, and the canucks are supposed to check it when you import. no stamp, no import. I would not screw around with this - fax your title, then show up 3 days later and it is done in 10 minutes.

[tor98]

My friend purchased a car for me in California today and is planning to ship it to Buffalo. How do I get a temporary permit in NY to drive back my car to Toronto and avoid paying US taxes? Thanks

[Nitol]

My friend purchased a car for me in California today and is planning to ship it to Buffalo. How do I get a temporary permit in NY to drive back my car to Toronto and avoid paying US taxes? Thanks

Why doesn't your friend get a temp tag in Cali or you could try your luck getting one from Ontario (With s US title)?
Don't forget getting insurance,you might be asked to show proof of insurance at the border.

[Nitol]

I'm importing a 2005 Chevy Express and I'm supposed to take it for inspection.It's to be inspected only for DRL,Metric speedometer and functioning Airbags.While I was driving the vehicle to Canada,the airbag light came on and stayed on,it may be some small thing.
Would it fail the inspection if the light is on?
How extensive is the inspection at CT anyways?

[michelb]

You will have warrenty in USA for sure, and I think it is a better one!!!! than in Canada. "My own opinion".;)

...
Red Baron
Edmonton, AB



Actually if you care about the warranty, you should double check that; I believe Honda/Acura warranties are void if the vehicle is not registered in the US or transfered in a way they accept (e.g. US resident moving to Canada)

[michelb]

My friend purchased a car for me in California today and is planning to ship it to Buffalo. How do I get a temporary permit in NY to drive back my car to Toronto and avoid paying US taxes? Thanks

I don't believe you can: I believe you can only get a temp permit in the state you buy or in the state you register.

[eastsidesubaru]

Man... I can't believe the fun is over :(
Oh well.. Who wants to buy used Subarus? :cheesygri

[Nitol]

Man... I can't believe the fun is over :(
Oh well.. Who wants to buy used Subarus? :cheesygri

Why?What happened?
I've been away for a while.

[Danno2005]

Man... I can't believe the fun is over :(
Oh well.. Who wants to buy used Subarus? :cheesygri

US MSRP is a much better deal than OTD Cdn pricing.

Am I missing something?

[tor98]

My friend purchased a car for me in California today and is planning to ship it to Buffalo. How do I get a temporary permit in NY to drive back my car to Toronto and avoid paying US taxes? Thanks

Why doesn't your friend get a temp tag in Cali or you could try your luck getting one from Ontario (With s US title)?
Don't forget getting insurance,you might be asked to show proof of insurance at the border.

If I register in California, then I have to pay California tax.

I don't believe you can: I believe you can only get a temp permit in the state you buy or in the state you register.

The title is changed to my friend's name in California not mine. He'll ship the car to Buffalo, so technically he doesn't need to register the car in california. I was hoping to be able to register the car in NY w/o paying NY taxes.

[dreaderus]

Man... I can't believe the fun is over :(
Oh well.. Who wants to buy used Subarus? :cheesygri

should i be worried? im picking mine up on Jan 2nd pricing is all set.

what fun is over? is there something else happening?

[shopper-X]

Why?What happened?
I've been away for a while.

US MSRP is a much better deal than OTD Cdn pricing.

Am I missing something?

should i be worried? im picking mine up on Jan 2nd pricing is all set.

what fun is over? is there something else happening?

As of Jan. 3, 2008, SOA is no longer offering Rebates, incentives, or any other credit to sales made for export. Also the export sale will not count towards any bonuses, awards , etc for the dealership.

Basically it will not be worth much to the dealership and sales reps to make a sale for export.

Eastside, could you clear one thing up.
If you do manage to sale for export, would you still make commission on the sale?

[J233]

Came thru yesterday with my 07 Saturn Outlook .. there were 4 Van Bortel Subarus along side me and a Honda Pilot and H2 Hummer .. US Customs was definitely understaffed -- but as long as the fax was there they were quick and happy -- if it wasnt they didnt want to deal with you. My fax was there and I was out of there in 10 minutes.
Canadian customs was more like a Walmart -- had the greeter, the paperwork folks, the sales rep then off to the cashier. Oh and dont forget the customs agent on the way out checking out the cars and seeing how much money you saved :-)
(Queenston/Lewiston around 2:30pm)
Saturn Outlook ? Wow, so this means there are two Outlook happy importers now on this thread :cheesygri . Congratulations !

[Danno2005]

As of Jan. 3, 2008, SOA is no longer offering Rebates, incentives, or any other credit to sales made for export. Also the export sale will not count towards any bonuses, awards , etc for the dealership.

Basically it will not be worth much to the dealership and sales reps to make a sale for export.

Eastside, could you clear one thing up.
If you do manage to sale for export, would you still make commission on the sale?

I get all that.

An incremental sale at a reduced profit is still an incremental sale - again, am I missing something here?

[mole11]

Was looking at the BMW X5 but now after their BS, they can go shove it. There getting my 525i back next year, never to buy them again. I'm focusing on the MDX now. With the new rules, are we ok to start importing Acura again. Anyone know of a friendly dealer in the Buffalo area or anywhere that will deal with cdns. Also, what changes does the MDX require to import. This forum has been great and I have sent a lot of friends over here to get educated. Thanks again.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I get all that.

An incremental sale at a reduced profit is still an incremental sale - again, am I missing something here?

Correct me if I'm wrong but after January 3rd, even if a US Subaru dealer sold one hundred units to Canadians, the sales would not be tabulated as part of the overall dealership sales.

Essentially they sell you a car but Subaru doesn't credit the dealership for the sale. The rep. and dealership still gets his/her commission.

Unless it's real quiet in the showroom, there's no real motivation for the US Subaru dealer to sell you a car. They know they won't be getting service visits.

But I don't expect the dealers will sit quietly either. The big ticket sector in the US is in the slumps.

Judging from what is in the press, (type in "US debt in the trillions" in Google and enjoy) Thanks to Gee Dubya, the US economy is still tanking and hasn't shown any sign of recovery. The US economy is on the verge of recession. I've read that the US has more foreign debt now that in post-WWII history. The national debt is the highest in the industrialized world. With the debt approaching 10 TRILLION dollars, the US Federal economy expects the debt to rise by another 1.5 trillion this year! The debt and interest go up $1.5 billion per day! This means the US government owes what amounts to about $30,000 for every person living in the US (source: http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-12-03-debt_N.htm). That doesn't even include personal debt. The US congress allowed the government to increase it's debt ceiling. That essentially means that they've tapped out all sources of credit and are simply asking for more credit to pay the interest. When you compare this to the GDP of the US, the economy ranks in the worse 30 performing nations. Right along with the war-torn African nations. The sad fact is that almost 25% of that debt is held by foreign banks. If they were to call in the loan, the US would have no choice but to invade the offending country (LOL).

That will play well for Canadians consumers. Not the invasion but the tanking US economy.

The Canadian dollar will continue to strengthen and the lack of sales incentives will be awash.

[dotcalamitie]

2008 BMW's are for Canadian idiots Mole11. My brother turned in his 545 and I my 645. We did not get BMWs (and I have been driving a BMW leased every year since 2000).

[zircon]

The USA is odd. All you say is correct, yet the USA economy continues to expand, as does personal spending. I was at an upscale michigan mall on friday night and the place was booming. Very odd. Also, while the Canadian federal govts have done a great job reducing our debt and especially our debt:GDP ratio (from around 70% to 30%), if you add total provincial debt we do not look so rosy.

I don't know what the big fuss is about. The NH subie dealer has already stated that he will continue to sell to Canadians - he is making a fortune doing it. He will cut his margin, we will pay a little more, and everyone will be happy. Factor in the reduced GST and it will not be much more expensive to land cars back into Canada.

[Danno2005]

Correct me if I'm wrong but after January 3rd, even if a US Subaru dealer sold one hundred units to Canadians, the sales would not be tabulated as part of the overall dealership sales.

Essentially they sell you a car but Subaru doesn't credit the dealership for the sale. The rep. and dealership still gets his/her commission.

Unless it's real quiet in the showroom, there's no real motivation for the US Subaru dealer to sell you a car. They know they won't be getting service visits.

But I don't expect the dealers will sit quietly either. The big ticket sector in the US is in the slumps.

Judging from what is in the press, (type in "US debt in the trillions" in Google and enjoy) Thanks to Gee Dubya, the US economy is still tanking and hasn't shown any sign of recovery. The US economy is on the verge of recession. I've read that the US has more foreign debt now that in post-WWII history. The national debt is the highest in the industrialized world. With the debt approaching 10 TRILLION dollars, the US Federal economy expects the debt to rise by another 1.5 trillion this year! The debt and interest go up $1.5 billion per day! This means the US government owes what amounts to about $30,000 for every person living in the US (source: http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-12-03-debt_N.htm). That doesn't even include personal debt. The US congress allowed the government to increase it's debt ceiling. That essentially means that they've tapped out all sources of credit and are simply asking for more credit to pay the interest. When you compare this to the GDP of the US, the economy ranks in the worse 30 performing nations. Right along with the war-torn African nations. The sad fact is that almost 25% of that debt is held by foreign banks. If they were to call in the loan, the US would have no choice but to invade the offending country (LOL).

That will play well for Canadians consumers. Not the invasion but the tanking US economy.

The Canadian dollar will continue to strengthen and the lack of sales incentives will be awash.

Mainstream press "read left wing" is madly hoping for a recession, but the US economy continues to dissappoint them. It would fit right into their 2008 election plans.

Over 2,000 days without a terror attack in the US. What ever George W. is doing wrong - well keep doing it.

As for our friends in Subaru land, it is easy to be friends when the waters are calm, not so easy when they get a little rough. We'll see who steps forward to support us.

[newid07]

Given the fact that the sale of Subaru is down over 6%, I can not see the sense behind doing that. Many canadian came down (or planning to) south of the border, shopping for Subaru were not considering the brand originally (me as an example). I'm planning to get a Tribica 7 seater as oppose to buy a van in mid of next year. But now I'm putting an "almost-new" Sienna back on radar screen again. SoA's decision does not make me feel good about...:mad:

[gregolds]

If I register in California, then I have to pay California tax.



The title is changed to my friend's name in California not mine. He'll ship the car to Buffalo, so technically he doesn't need to register the car in california. I was hoping to be able to register the car in NY w/o paying NY taxes.

I live in Manitoba and imported a new Honda Ridgeline in October. A friend in Minnesota was the purchaser of record from a dealer in Illinois. They supplied a certificate of Origin with his paperwork and he made out a bill of sale to me. The certificate of origin is as good as title at the border. With the bill of sale I was able to get a temporary permit from Manitoba Public Insurance covering both temp. registration and insurance. One item to keep in mind is with Certificate of Origin Your friend is the exporter of record and you are the importer. If the vehicle is not registerd in the US there should be no state tax paid.

[gregolds]

I'm importing a 2005 Chevy Express and I'm supposed to take it for inspection.It's to be inspected only for DRL,Metric speedometer and functioning Airbags.While I was driving the vehicle to Canada,the airbag light came on and stayed on,it may be some small thing.
Would it fail the inspection if the light is on?
How extensive is the inspection at CT anyways?

Had the daytime running lights on my new Honda Ridgeline done before taking to CT for inspection. Advised CT running lights were done, drove into their shop and shut off the vehicle. Tech looked at the sticker in the doorjamb, then verified the serial number, went inside and filled out the paperwork, came back out, handed me the paperwork and away I went. Never started the truck!! Works for me.

[inspire]

I'm focusing on the MDX now. With the new rules, are we ok to start importing Acura again. Anyone know of a friendly dealer in the Buffalo area or anywhere that will deal with cdns.
Sorry ... Acura shut the door for Canadians to buy "new" to export from the dealerships. Policy went into effect ~ Nov 2007. I helped a friend with the purchase so he had to title a car in Michigan before exporting it to Canada. Overall, I still saved a friend thousands on a 2008 TL. Dealerships will turn a blind eye to people doing this ... they will provide recall letter, etc ... no problems since overall sales for Acura is flat / down.

PS ... Sorry, I don't know any dealerships near Buffalo that may help you with a MDX. PM me if you want to know a Canadian-friendly Michigan Acura dealership.

[rjmbc]

I just succesfully imported a brand new Toyota Highlander which was purchased directly from the dealer. If you live in the interior of BC (Okanagan) and you are interested in how to do it, pm me.

[eastsidesubaru]

As of Jan. 3, 2008, SOA is no longer offering Rebates, incentives, or any other credit to sales made for export. Also the export sale will not count towards any bonuses, awards , etc for the dealership.

Basically it will not be worth much to the dealership and sales reps to make a sale for export.

Eastside, could you clear one thing up.
If you do manage to sale for export, would you still make commission on the sale?

Yes, I would still make commission but only from the dealership, nothing from Subaru. What it means to me is that my bread and butter local sales will pay quite a bit better for me than a canadian sale, which will pay me very very little...It's not like I have any hourly wage. Unfortunatly Canadian sales take quite a bit more time on my part and ultimately I enjoy helping canadians save and get a much better deal than up there, but if it affects my income then I have to consider that as well when I price quote. Also, the managers will be much less inclined to deal as for them they have no real incentive to cut a deal. We are pretty much just going to be selling to canadians at MSRP I think, although nothing is set in stone yet. So, it's bad news for me. Plus no US rebates.
We will be focusing on selling our 3000-4000 mile service loaners instead...

[canadiandollars]

boourns. That's bad news from SoA. My friend was looking to buy a WRX STi in the new year too. Oh well looks like he'll have to settle for the inflated prices here in Canada.

That being said his insurance is going to be crazy high but I guess if you can afford an STi money is almost no object, am i right???!!

[eastsidesubaru]

boourns. That's bad news from SoA. My friend was looking to buy a WRX STi in the new year too. Oh well looks like he'll have to settle for the inflated prices here in Canada.

That being said his insurance is going to be crazy high but I guess if you can afford an STi money is almost no object, am i right???!!

Doesn't make as much difference on an STI since they are only making 3500 anyway MSRP is pretty much what they are going for around here. Plus there is no rebate he is losing.

[dreaderus]

why is insurance on a wrx sti going to be high?

[Nitol]

Had the daytime running lights on my new Honda Ridgeline done before taking to CT for inspection. Advised CT running lights were done, drove into their shop and shut off the vehicle. Tech looked at the sticker in the doorjamb, then verified the serial number, went inside and filled out the paperwork, came back out, handed me the paperwork and away I went. Never started the truck!! Works for me.

That's nice :cheesygri
Mine already has the DRL and the speedometer is analog with both Metric and imperial in it.I'm just concerned about the Airbag light.I don't want them to fail the inspection.I don't know maybe if I fail it I have to pay RIV again.

[Nitol]

If I register in California, then I have to pay California tax.



The title is changed to my friend's name in California not mine. He'll ship the car to Buffalo, so technically he doesn't need to register the car in california. I was hoping to be able to register the car in NY w/o paying NY taxes.

1-If your friend has the full title then your options are plenty.He can sign the back of it to your name and get you a temp tag from a Cali DMV office without actually transferring the title to your name and paying any taxes( or you can get a temp plate from Canada).If the vehicle already has a California plate then you don't even need a temp tag.If he doesn't have a plate,he can get a temp plate for himself so he can drive the vehicle to any shops (to certify or E-test it).Remember for cops it's not important whom the plate is registered to just as long as it has a plate and insurance.

2-If your friend doesn't have a full title and only has the sellers title signed into his name,again he should be able to get a temp tag providing the signed title and proof of insurance.That should be sufficient to issue your friend a temporary Canadian plate as well.

But if your case is #2 then I think you have much bigger worries than the temp tag.
How is your friend going to sell you the vehicle if he doesn't have a full title?

[webbyx]

Hi guys,

I am in Alberta and looking for Toyota dealers willing to sell to Canadians.
I am in the market for a Sienna. Please pm me if you know any.

Thanks.

I live in Saskatchewan and I also am looking into getting a new 2008 Toyota Sienna. If anyone has had any success with finding a Toyota dealer who will sell to Canadians could you please PM me as well.

Thanks.

[whampoa]

boourns. That's bad news from SoA. My friend was looking to buy a WRX STi in the new year too. Oh well looks like he'll have to settle for the inflated prices here in Canada.

That being said his insurance is going to be crazy high but I guess if you can afford an STi money is almost no object, am i right???!!

I suggest you do a comparison pricing of WRX STi between Canadian and US dealership after January 3, 2008.

Even if the US dealership are selling at or near MSRP, I have a feeling it will still be cheaper than buying in Canada, by a wide margin, even after all the rebates, financing and gimmicks the Canadian Subaru can come out with.

[jadeboy]

1992 TO 2007 All other passenger car
models built before September 1st,
2007, except those listed in the
inadmissible column
2008 Avalon
2008 Camry
2008 Camry HV
2008 Camry Solara
2008 Yaris Sedan built after September
1st, 2007. [EIS] (see notes)
2008 Yaris Hatchback built after
September 1st, 2007. [EIS] (see notes)
2008 Corolla built after September 1st,
2007. [EIS] (see notes)
2008 Prius built after September 1st,
2007. [EIS] (see notes)
2008 Matrix built after September 1st,
2007. [EIS] (see notes)


InAdmissible
1992 Corolla
1992 TO 1994 Tercel /
Paseo
2000 SC400/300
2000 TO 2005 MR2
2005 AND 2006 Scion TC
2008 Scion
See explanations section.
[EIS]: See explanations section, paragraphs
#4(3) and #9.


WTF.. what happened to the other 2008 models? The last list had all 2008 Toyota/Lexus except Yaris ? Am I reading this wrong? I was planning to get a 2008 Lexus IS 350. Got to phone riv.ca.

[Marzipan]

......

WTF.. what happened to the other 2008 models? The last list had all 2008 Toyota/Lexus except Yaris ? Am I reading this wrong? I was planning to get a 2008 Lexus IS 350. Got to phone riv.ca.

Which other 2008 models are you interested in?

MPVs and P/Us are listed in other sections of the VAFUS list.

Almost all 2008 Toyota/Lexus passenger cars are admissible per the pasted list - mostly subject to the EIS proof. For instance, all Corollas (except the 1992) are admissible - pre-Sep 1st unconditionally and post-Sep 1 subject to EIS.

However, I see no reference to a 2008 Lexus IS 350 in the ADMISSIBLE column ... therefore it is inadmissible. Also, no 2008 Lexus of any model is admissible. That's the way I read it.

[jadeboy]

However, I see no reference to a 2008 Lexus IS 350 in the ADMISSIBLE column ... therefore it is inadmissible. Also, no 2008 Lexus of any model is admissible. That's the way I read it.

Toyota/Lexus
1992 TO 2008 All other passenger
car models except those listed in
the inadmissible column
2008 Yaris Sedan, if built after
September 1st, 2007 ~ (see notes)

InAdmissible
1992 Corolla
1992 TO 1994 Tercel / Paseo
2000 SC400/300
2000 TO 2005 MR2
2005 AND 2006 Scion TC
2008 Yaris Hatchback built after
September 1st, 2007
2008 Corolla built after september
1st, 2007
2008 Prius built after September
1st, 2007
2008 Matrix built after September
1st, 2007
2008 Scion

This was the last list until the latest one. It was importable and I have phoned riv.ca and the confirmed it was admissible

http://www.carswithoutborders.com/wordpress/wp-content/vafus2007-12-07.pdf

What in the world is going on at Transport Canada?

[162]

I live in Saskatchewan and I also am looking into getting a new 2008 Toyota Sienna. If anyone has had any success with finding a Toyota dealer who will sell to Canadians could you please PM me as well.

Thanks.

Please add my name to the list as well.

[inkognito81]

Out of curiosity, did anyone notice the new Canadian flag that GM has designed ? It looks strange ! Imagine if they had done that to the US flag !

I did notice the GM Canadian flag... But as far as I remember the US flag didn't have any stars in it...?

[longdong]

It's really good with the new list from RIV.




1992 TO 2007 All other passenger car
models built before September 1st,
2007, except those listed in the
inadmissible column
2008 Avalon
2008 Camry
2008 Camry HV
2008 Camry Solara
2008 Yaris Sedan built after September
1st, 2007. [EIS] (see notes)
2008 Yaris Hatchback built after
September 1st, 2007. [EIS] (see notes)
2008 Corolla built after September 1st,
2007. [EIS] (see notes)
2008 Prius built after September 1st,
2007. [EIS] (see notes)
2008 Matrix built after September 1st,
2007. [EIS] (see notes)


InAdmissible
1992 Corolla
1992 TO 1994 Tercel /
Paseo
2000 SC400/300
2000 TO 2005 MR2
2005 AND 2006 Scion TC
2008 Scion
See explanations section.
[EIS]: See explanations section, paragraphs
#4(3) and #9.


WTF.. what happened to the other 2008 models? The last list had all 2008 Toyota/Lexus except Yaris ? Am I reading this wrong? I was planning to get a 2008 Lexus IS 350. Got to phone riv.ca.

[SubieOwner]

see: http://www.reportonbusiness.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071224.wrcars24/BNStory/robNews/home

Interesting data in today's Globe and Mail Report on Business regarding the current new car market in Canada. Perhaps we should share this information with the manufacturers as well as the dealers (if they didn't know already).

[shopper-X]

see: http://www.reportonbusiness.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071224.wrcars24/BNStory/robNews/home

Interesting data in today's Globe and Mail Report on Business regarding the current new car market in Canada. Perhaps we should share this information with the manufacturers as well as the dealers (if they didn't know already).

Interesting article.
The manufactures will only listen to their drone, as Diigii calls him, the Mathimagician. He'll figure out away to make it sound like it's not affecting the Canadian auto industry.

[thegradas]

http://tinyurl.com/2wyqvy

[Lukestereh]

Please add my name to the list as well.

You have to find a toyota dealer that is independantly owned (not owned by Toyota Corporation), they will have more flexibility to buck the system. I bought my AWD Limited Sienna (08) in Couer d'Alene and brought it into Cdn in October. Saved over $18,000. (no that is not a misprint). I do not know the current savings with the subsidies now given to Canadians, but I for one got fed up of the gouging here :razz: and headed south.

[yowmaven]

Bought an Accord in Canada!!

I was considering buying an Outback for my wife from VBS. Spoke to Karl and was impressed with his demeanor, etc. I had my wife test drive an Outback from a local dealer to see if see would like it. Turns out she didn’t: she found that it was kinda weird looking out the back window of a wagon, was noisy and that the 2.5i seemed underpowered. I drove the car as well and also felt it was underpowered and thought it could use a 5th gear. In any case, the car is for her and she had to like it. I took her to a local Honda dealer and she loved the looks of the new Accord. She drove the 4 cyl. 190 hp EX-L and loved it. So we bought the car for $31,744.00 CDN, all in. I calculated that the same car would cost me $28,116.00 in the US (the calculation assumes that I could buy the car at $500.00 over invoice). The difference between the CDN & US price would be approximately $3600.00. I felt it made sense to buy the car locally as


the dealer was willing to buy my ’05 Acura which has 2 months left in the lease, thus saving me $1070.00
I save the time and expense (of several hundred bucks) of importing the car
no warranty issue (if I purchased an aftermarket warranty I gather from reading this and other threads that it could cost me about $1000.00 or so)

So, when all is said and done, I would save approximately $1000 - $2000 depending on whether or not I purchased a third party warranty. Not worth it IMHO (and my wife is happy--most important!)

[DSTU]

Bought an Accord in Canada!!

I was considering buying an Outback for my wife from VBS. Spoke to Karl and was impressed with his demeanor, etc. I had my wife test drive an Outback from a local dealer to see if see would like it. Turns out she didn’t: she found that it was kinda weird looking out the back window of a wagon, was noisy and that the 2.5i seemed underpowered. I drove the car as well and also felt it was underpowered and thought it could use a 5th gear. In any case, the car is for her and she had to like it. I took her to a local Honda dealer and she loved the looks of the new Accord. She drove the 4 cyl. 190 hp EX-L and loved it. So we bought the car for $31,744.00 CDN, all in. I calculated that the same car would cost me $28,116.00 in the US (the calculation assumes that I could buy the car at $500.00 over invoice). The difference between the CDN & US price would be approximately $3600.00. I felt it made sense to buy the car locally as


the dealer was willing to buy my ’05 Acura which has 2 months left in the lease, thus saving me $1070.00
I save the time and expense (of several hundred bucks) of importing the car
no warranty issue (if I purchased an aftermarket warranty I gather from reading this and other threads that it could cost me about $1000.00 or so)

So, when all is said and done, I would save approximately $1000 - $2000 depending on whether or not I purchased a third party warranty. Not worth it IMHO (and my wife is happy--most important!)

The Internets says that you are wrong on the US Pricing.

2008 Honda Accord
EX-L 4dr Sedan (2.4L 4cyl 5A)
MSRP Invoice $25,860 $23,428

[Yorker86]

The Internets says that you are wrong on the US Pricing.

2008 Honda Accord
EX-L 4dr Sedan (2.4L 4cyl 5A)
MSRP Invoice $25,860 $23,428

Yup. Could of saved a lot more than just 1 grand if you ask me.

http://www.cars.com/go/configurator/quote.jsp

[yowmaven]

2008 Honda Accord
EX-L 4dr Sedan (2.4L 4cyl 5A)
MSRP Invoice $25,860 $23,428

Yes, of course you are correct. However, my calculation is "all in" as follows:

invoice: $23,428
plus: $500 (over the invoice price)
freight: $635
GST & PST: $3280
RIV fee and incidentals: a few hundred dollars

= approx. $28,116

[giasone]

I test drove a Toyota Camry Hybrid today in Windsor, Ontario and I really like it.

They want $42,500 inc tax - 500 Toyota rebate - 3500 (federal and provincial rebates) = $38500 Total

I figure the US price is around $29,700 then Canadian taxes = $33,857

Has anyone had any experience bringing in one of these, can anyone offer any advice about this, is it worth the $3500 savings for the hassle I would have to go through going over the border to get it, also would the dealer here in Windsor warranty it.

Thanks - Jason.

[cinqhoda]

Bought an Accord in Canada!!

I was considering buying an Outback for my wife from VBS. Spoke to Karl and was impressed with his demeanor, etc. I had my wife test drive an Outback from a local dealer to see if see would like it. Turns out she didn’t: she found that it was kinda weird looking out the back window of a wagon, was noisy and that the 2.5i seemed underpowered. I drove the car as well and also felt it was underpowered and thought it could use a 5th gear. In any case, the car is for her and she had to like it. I took her to a local Honda dealer and she loved the looks of the new Accord. She drove the 4 cyl. 190 hp EX-L and loved it. So we bought the car for $31,744.00 CDN, all in. I calculated that the same car would cost me $28,116.00 in the US (the calculation assumes that I could buy the car at $500.00 over invoice). The difference between the CDN & US price would be approximately $3600.00. I felt it made sense to buy the car locally as


the dealer was willing to buy my ’05 Acura which has 2 months left in the lease, thus saving me $1070.00
I save the time and expense (of several hundred bucks) of importing the car
no warranty issue (if I purchased an aftermarket warranty I gather from reading this and other threads that it could cost me about $1000.00 or so)

So, when all is said and done, I would save approximately $1000 - $2000 depending on whether or not I purchased a third party warranty. Not worth it IMHO (and my wife is happy--most important!)

Maybe you should have got a discount for being a Honda Canada employee.

Not only did you trash Subaru but you paid way to much for the Honda.

I priced out a 2008 Accord V6, 5spd Auto. tranny, with leather and Navigation and a pearl paint job for $29,395

Here is the Link (just select a color and press the big red button that says "TMV Pricing Report") http://www.edmunds.com/new/2008/honda/accord/100939064/optionsresults.html?action=2

Sleep tight:D

[longdong]

is it 2.4l engine, if it's the case in US the price is around 25k.



I test drove a Toyota Camry Hybrid today in Windsor, Ontario and I really like it.

They want $42,500 inc tax - 500 Toyota rebate - 3500 (federal and provincial rebates) = $38500 Total

I figure the US price is around $29,700 then Canadian taxes = $33,857

Has anyone had any experience bringing in one of these, can anyone offer any advice about this, is it worth the $3500 savings for the hassle I would have to go through going over the border to get it, also would the dealer here in Windsor warranty it.

Thanks - Jason.

[longdong]

So you said that a Honda Accord EX-L, including all taxes 31,744$ wowow it's a great price (you got 5k discount on the car). I'm impressed with Honda to ajust their price at this level.




Bought an Accord in Canada!!

I was considering buying an Outback for my wife from VBS. Spoke to Karl and was impressed with his demeanor, etc. I had my wife test drive an Outback from a local dealer to see if see would like it. Turns out she didn’t: she found that it was kinda weird looking out the back window of a wagon, was noisy and that the 2.5i seemed underpowered. I drove the car as well and also felt it was underpowered and thought it could use a 5th gear. In any case, the car is for her and she had to like it. I took her to a local Honda dealer and she loved the looks of the new Accord. She drove the 4 cyl. 190 hp EX-L and loved it. So we bought the car for $31,744.00 CDN, all in. I calculated that the same car would cost me $28,116.00 in the US (the calculation assumes that I could buy the car at $500.00 over invoice). The difference between the CDN & US price would be approximately $3600.00. I felt it made sense to buy the car locally as


the dealer was willing to buy my ’05 Acura which has 2 months left in the lease, thus saving me $1070.00
I save the time and expense (of several hundred bucks) of importing the car
no warranty issue (if I purchased an aftermarket warranty I gather from reading this and other threads that it could cost me about $1000.00 or so)

So, when all is said and done, I would save approximately $1000 - $2000 depending on whether or not I purchased a third party warranty. Not worth it IMHO (and my wife is happy--most important!)

[LoveRFD]

Bought an Accord in Canada!!

I was considering buying an Outback for my wife from VBS. Spoke to Karl and was impressed with his demeanor, etc. I had my wife test drive an Outback from a local dealer to see if see would like it. Turns out she didn’t: she found that it was kinda weird looking out the back window of a wagon, was noisy and that the 2.5i seemed underpowered. I drove the car as well and also felt it was underpowered and thought it could use a 5th gear. In any case, the car is for her and she had to like it. I took her to a local Honda dealer and she loved the looks of the new Accord. She drove the 4 cyl. 190 hp EX-L and loved it. So we bought the car for $31,744.00 CDN, all in. I calculated that the same car would cost me $28,116.00 in the US (the calculation assumes that I could buy the car at $500.00 over invoice). The difference between the CDN & US price would be approximately $3600.00. I felt it made sense to buy the car locally as


the dealer was willing to buy my ’05 Acura which has 2 months left in the lease, thus saving me $1070.00
I save the time and expense (of several hundred bucks) of importing the car
no warranty issue (if I purchased an aftermarket warranty I gather from reading this and other threads that it could cost me about $1000.00 or so)

So, when all is said and done, I would save approximately $1000 - $2000 depending on whether or not I purchased a third party warranty. Not worth it IMHO (and my wife is happy--most important!)



The msrp +freight+tax is $37k, so you got a $5300 discount? That's verygood price. You must have some kind of unusual relationship with Honda, normal people won't be able to get this price.

[yowmaven]

Maybe you should have got a discount for being a Honda Canada employee.

Not only did you trash Subaru but you paid way to much for the Honda.

I priced out a 2008 Accord V6, 5spd Auto. tranny, with leather and Navigation and a pearl paint job for $29,395

It would appear that your English comprehension skills are somewhat lacking (and, I might add, I’m being charitable). Firstly, trashing means: anything worthless, useless, or discarded; rubbish. I only expressed my opinion and (my wife’s) opinion of this particular automobile. An opinion is inherently subjective and is thus based on the impression(s) of the person or people concerned. It in no way denigrates or renders worthless the subject discussed: in this case the Outback. Secondly, it is evident that you been so anxious to express your opinion that you have failed to carefully read my comment, especially the phrase “all in” which includes freight, GST & PST. In the final analysis your comment is deserving of the word you used (and don't understand): trash.

[cinqhoda]

It would appear that your English comprehension skills are somewhat lacking (and, I might add, I’m being charitable). Firstly, trashing means: anything worthless, useless, or discarded; rubbish. I only expressed my opinion and (my wife’s) opinion of this particular automobile. An opinion is inherently subjective and is thus based on the impression(s) of the person or people concerned. It in no way denigrates or renders worthless the subject discussed: in this case the Outback. Secondly, it is evident that you been so anxious to express your opinion that you have failed to carefully read my comment, especially the phrase “all in” which includes freight, GST & PST. In the final analysis your comment is deserving of the word you used (and don't understand): trash.

To begin with, my most humble apologies. I did miss the "all in" qualifier for your purchase. I then assumed the worst (the Honda employee angle).

I have looked at the Accord 4cyl EX-L and have found that people in the U.S. are in fact paying about $1500 over invoice (your estimate was $500). Your reply was apt and I consider myself "dressed down".

Good on you for this deal. This is, I hope, a sign of things to come for Honda Canada.

[niceguy1234]

No Honda dealer is willing to sell NEW cars to Canadian. It is so hard to find one. So far, none. If there is any, please pm me. Besides, there is no warranty for new Honda's from US. You may need to buy a 3rd party one.

[yowmaven]

To begin with, my most humble apologies. I did miss the "all in" qualifier for your purchase. I then assumed the worst (the Honda employee angle).

Humble apologies accepted. Sorry, if I got a bit snarky.


So you said that a Honda Accord EX-L, including all taxes 31,744$ wowow it's a great price (you got 5k discount on the car). I'm impressed with Honda to ajust their price at this level.


The msrp +freight+tax is $37k, so you got a $5300 discount? That's verygood price. You must have some kind of unusual relationship with Honda, normal people won't be able to get this price.


The "good price" I got for this car was not really a big deal. Honda Canada is currently offering a $3000.00 discount on the EX-L (cash sale only). I simply offered $500.00 over dealer invoice. Add the fact that I don't have to pay $1070.00 for the 2 months left on my Acura lease, I end up with a deal that compares well with what I could get if I bought the car in the US (not to mention the warranty issue).

[giasone]

Actually I was offered $5000 off the price of an Accord today, offer open until new years eve. $4000 from Honda and $1000 from the Dealer


Toyota Hybrid, all of the Hybrids are 2.4L and with leather and sun roof etc, the price is $29740.00

[whampoa]

Bought an Accord in Canada!!

I was considering buying an Outback for my wife from VBS. Spoke to Karl and was impressed with his demeanor, etc. I had my wife test drive an Outback from a local dealer to see if see would like it. Turns out she didn’t: she found that it was kinda weird looking out the back window of a wagon, was noisy and that the 2.5i seemed underpowered. I drove the car as well and also felt it was underpowered and thought it could use a 5th gear. In any case, the car is for her and she had to like it. I took her to a local Honda dealer and she loved the looks of the new Accord. She drove the 4 cyl. 190 hp EX-L and loved it. So we bought the car for $31,744.00 CDN, all in. I calculated that the same car would cost me $28,116.00 in the US (the calculation assumes that I could buy the car at $500.00 over invoice). The difference between the CDN & US price would be approximately $3600.00. I felt it made sense to buy the car locally as


the dealer was willing to buy my ’05 Acura which has 2 months left in the lease, thus saving me $1070.00
I save the time and expense (of several hundred bucks) of importing the car
no warranty issue (if I purchased an aftermarket warranty I gather from reading this and other threads that it could cost me about $1000.00 or so)

So, when all is said and done, I would save approximately $1000 - $2000 depending on whether or not I purchased a third party warranty. Not worth it IMHO (and my wife is happy--most important!)

Does your "all in" price include the trade in of your '05 Acura?

If that's the case, will that somewhat obscure the US vs Canadian pricing comparison?

[b_lum81]

With a lot of help from people on this board as well as the Edmunds message board, I've successfully registered and plated my CLK in BC. The overall process was not too difficult, just waiting for stupid letters was a pain. I'm more then happy to share my experience with you guys.

***Ignore this message if you're not interested in importing a MB.***

I found my car through a private sale in Portland. Once agreed with the seller that I was interested, I went to www.mercedes.ca/admissibility and filled out the information for the car, and a letter was sent to me 9 business days later. If you ask me, 9 days is pretty excessive to print a letter that is based off a template except with the vin number changed. At the same time, I had wrote a letter for the seller to send to Mercedes USA for the recall letter, and had the letter addressed to my fax machine. Recall letter was received the NEXT day. The seller agreed to have the car inspected at Mercedes Portland, and I covered the cost of that. Total cost for the 155 point inspection was $300 (no tax in Oregon!!). In my honest opinion, I'd rather spend $300 on inspection then to have a lemon. The car checked out with no problems.

For those of you in BC, this is what I did for insurance. I went to my autoplan agent and got an ICBC binder of insurance for the car. This is easy to get. All you need is the VIN# of the car, make, model, year and you're on your way. It was around the $80-90 area, good for 14-15 days i believe. You take that with you to the states but that's only half of what you need to do. The car had existing Portland plates on it which the seller agreed to leave on, but in Washington, I went to the closest DMV to pick up a temp permit. Drove it up. The car was left at the border at a family friends place for the 72 hour period. I had previously filled out the export worksheet and faxed it to the border at an OfficeMax on the way up from Portland. During this 72 hour period is when I received my letter of admissibility. I took a gamble and bought the car before the admissibilty letter arrived, but the MB Canada CS rep clearly stated, if it's on the website it's admissible. Talking to them was like talking to a cop when getting pulled over. None the less the admissibilty letter arrived.

At the Pac Hwy border I had zero problems at US export. He took my worksheet, stamped it, said the Stanley Cup has been denied access to Canada for over a decade, and told me to head up to Canada. At Canada Customs I presented all the paperwork/letters, paid my taxes and we were done. (I forgot to bring the ad for the car. Stupid mistake of mine which caused a lil fuss about the price of the car, so don't forget that). Headed straight to the Mercedes dealership closest to my house.

Now I had stopped by their dealership earlier on to get more information. The first service advisor said the cost would be approx $6000-8000 for modifications. Once I had told him that a friend did his C-Class for $4500, he says "ok, it's probably around there". Second service advisor stated the same thing. So when I arrived, the second advisor is who I was dealing with and he told me there is the $750 admin fee which will be included in the $4500 charge. So $4500 taxes in, and 4 weeks to get my car modified. Daytime lights, new dash console(i have the old one in my trunk), and foam for the bumpers. Well too late to back off now, I already have the car here. I'll bend over and take the $4500 hit, but keeping in mind that with that price I purchased the car for, i'm still saving $8000. This is where it gets interesting...

3 days later I get a call from the service advisor saying my car is done, and it only cost approx $2950 taxes in. WOW! Here I am sitting online looking for a rental car for the next month and my car is DONE. Regional inspector checked out the car on Wednesday and I had my Letter of Compliance by Thursday. RIV sent me my Form 2 the same day as well. So yesterday I purchased ICBC Point A to Point B insurance and I brought the car to CT for Fed/Prov inspection, took approx 20-30mins and I was off to the autoplan to get my car registered and plated!!

With this said, it seemed as though the service advisor did what ever he could to detour me from importing the car. Giving me an high cost and a 4+ week wait. None the less I was given an early Christmas present by Mercedes although I'm still not happy about the $750 admin charge. After all the modifications were done to the car the service advisor seemed to lighten up a bit and turns out he's a pretty nice guy. But the overall process on importing the car was easy, it's just waiting for Mercedes Benz to send the admissibilty letter which caused the most headache.

Overall savings since the modification bill was reduced from $4500 to $2950...... approx $9500.

My best advice to anyone wanting to import a MB, be persistant with Mercedes Canada. They seemed to drag out the letter of admissibilty process as long as they could, and when you're buying a car you need to act fast because the car could be sold by the time you get your letter.

For those of you who are still reading, I'd be more than happy to answer any questions you may have. But in relation to the discussion above about MB/BMW, I'm in 100% agreement that the $750 cost (for MB) is rediculous.

BL

[canadiandollars]

CLK...

How much was the CLK in the U.S.A. Just curious how much did you pay for it over there?

[giasone]

Does anyone know of a Dealer in Detroit that will sell me a 2008 Toyota Camry. Thanks - Jason.

[Tender]

...
The "good price" I got for this car was not really a big deal. Honda Canada is currently offering a $3000.00 discount on the EX-L (cash sale only). I simply offered $500.00 over dealer invoice. Add the fact that I don't have to pay $1070.00 for the 2 months left on my Acura lease, I end up with a deal that compares well with what I could get if I bought the car in the US (not to mention the warranty issue).

Does your "all in" price include the trade in of your '05 Acura?

If that's the case, will that somewhat obscure the US vs Canadian pricing comparison?

He explained above.

[mdbuffy]

Transport Canada is considering changing the bumper standard...another impediment to importing cars.

Transport Canada has given us until Dec 31/07 to provide our comments to them on the alternatives that they are suggesting.

You can find the Transport Canada Notice and all the details relating to their bumper “initiative” at
http://canadagazette.gc.ca/partI/2007/20071013/html/notice-e.html

In May 2007 CAPC (Canadian Automotive Parnership Council) indicated that Transport Canada was unwilling to harmonize bumper standards.

This is your chance to demand harmonization with the US on bumpers..if you want fairer pricing from the auto manufacturers. If you don't contact your MP, the Minister of Transport and the person shown in the Notice in the Canada Gazette, we could well have a Transport Canada "standardized in Canada" bumper that limits importation from the US and continued premiums over US prices.

For more info, also see www.carswithoutborders.com

[Cars4Canadians]

Wow this would be very important IMO,
if we could have the same standards as the Americans, the ass-hole car makers wouldnt' have as many excuses to rape us.


Transport Canada is considering changing the bumper standard...another impediment to importing cars.

Transport Canada has given us until Dec 31/07 to provide our comments to them on the alternatives that they are suggesting.

You can find the Transport Canada Notice and all the details relating to their bumper “initiative” at
http://canadagazette.gc.ca/partI/2007/20071013/html/notice-e.html

In May 2007 CAPC (Canadian Automotive Parnership Council) indicated that Transport Canada was unwilling to harmonize bumper standards.

This is your chance to demand harmonization with the US on bumpers..if you want fairer pricing from the auto manufacturers. If you don't contact your MP, the Minister of Transport and the person shown in the Notice in the Canada Gazette, we could well have a Transport Canada "standardized in Canada" bumper that limits importation from the US and continued premiums over US prices.

For more info, also see www.carswithoutborders.com

[Cars4Canadians]

Come to think of it, why is small tiny populated Canada setting standards? Why are we making life difficult for ourselves? Is our government that stupid?
Why do we have to drive these small **** cars, while a few miles down south our american brothers are driving sex on wheels? WTF??

I want the same type of cars that AMERICANS drive, with a reasonable sticker price, meaning 5-10 percent above the American price at most ! Not the BS of 30-50% higher prices because we live in Canada which has an inferiority complex the size of the universe and thinks its dick is smaller than the Americans.




Transport Canada is considering changing the bumper standard...another impediment to importing cars.

Transport Canada has given us until Dec 31/07 to provide our comments to them on the alternatives that they are suggesting.

You can find the Transport Canada Notice and all the details relating to their bumper “initiative” at
http://canadagazette.gc.ca/partI/2007/20071013/html/notice-e.html

In May 2007 CAPC (Canadian Automotive Parnership Council) indicated that Transport Canada was unwilling to harmonize bumper standards.

This is your chance to demand harmonization with the US on bumpers..if you want fairer pricing from the auto manufacturers. If you don't contact your MP, the Minister of Transport and the person shown in the Notice in the Canada Gazette, we could well have a Transport Canada "standardized in Canada" bumper that limits importation from the US and continued premiums over US prices.

For more info, also see www.carswithoutborders.com

[yowmaven]

Does your "all in" price include the trade in of your '05 Acura?

No it does not. The all in price was the cost of the car only. The fact that I could put $1070.00 towards the new car rather than paying it out for the 2 months left on the lease helped to seal the deal.

[juggmon]

So, I'm interesting in picking up an '08 Mazda3 s Touring from the States. I've checked out the Edmunds website and gotten a rough idea of what the price is (hella better than my local Mazda dealership) and I've looked over the RIV list to see if they allow that car to be imported into Canada and according to the list they allow all '08 models to be imported.

(1) Do all I need to 100% confirm that is the VIN number?


Also, I've read that immobilizers are now apparently required to be standard issue in all cars manufactuered after Sept. 1st

(2) Should/Would the US dealership I end up buying from know whether or not any pre-installed immobilizer conforms to CMVSS 114?


Finally, I realize that modifications may need to be done (@ Canadian Tire, etc) in order to pass the federal inspection.

(1) Is there some provincal inspection (specifically in BC) that has to passed as well? (I'm a little confused because on one site it mentions Canadian Tire doing provincial exams and another says that they are checking for whether it complies with federal standards)

(2) To people who have imported, what generally did it cost to get the modifications done on your car? Was the car you imported compliant without making any modifications at all?

Thanks in advance to anyone with some answers. :)

[cavuu]

Wow this would be very important IMO,
if we could have the same standards as the Americans, the ass-hole car makers wouldnt' have as many excuses to rape us.
Come to think of it, why is small tiny populated Canada setting standards? Why are we making life difficult for ourselves? Is our government that stupid?
Why do we have to drive these small **** cars, while a few miles down south our american brothers are driving sex on wheels? WTF??

I want the same type of cars that AMERICANS drive, with a reasonable sticker price, meaning 5-10 percent above the American price at most ! Not the BS of 30-50% higher prices because we live in Canada which has an inferiority complex the size of the universe and thinks its dick is smaller than the Americans.

You would have a lot more credibility if you would soften your language. Your posts, and hopefully not letters, do more harm to our cause than good. Grow up!

[Danno2005]

No it does not. The all in price was the cost of the car only. The fact that I could put $1070.00 towards the new car rather than paying it out for the 2 months left on the lease helped to seal the deal.

Great price you got there.

It would help us RFDers if you could post a scan of your bill of sale (with car S/N and name of buyer hidden) so that we could use that to either give your dealer more business or use it to price match at other dealers.

This kind of price matching is close to the 5 - 10 % pricing difference we have been asking for.

:idea:

[Cars4Canadians]

I'm sorry, but civilized behavior got us into this mess IMO.
I'm tired of behaving and taking it up the ass.

Credibility? **** crediblity, what about the credibility of the car makers and government hacks? How can they look in the mirror, they are all 2 bit whores.


You would have a lot more credibility if you would soften your language. Your posts, and hopefully not letters, do more harm to our cause than good. Grow up!

[real_term]

Come to think of it, why is small tiny populated Canada setting standards? Why are we making life difficult for ourselves? Is our government that stupid?
Why do we have to drive these small **** cars, while a few miles down south our american brothers are driving sex on wheels? WTF??

I want the same type of cars that AMERICANS drive, with a reasonable sticker price, meaning 5-10 percent above the American price at most ! Not the BS of 30-50% higher prices because we live in Canada which has an inferiority complex the size of the universe and thinks its dick is smaller than the Americans.

Cars4Canadians, I completely agree with what you are saying. We, Canadians, are frustrated and pissed with the price gouging.

[UAToronto]

Hi, does anyone know if the Customs is open on 12/26 or New Year's day? Thanks!

[baboo]

So we bought the car for $31,744.00 CDN, all in. I calculated that the same car would cost me $28,116.00 in the US (the calculation assumes that I could buy the car at $500.00 over invoice). The difference between the CDN & US price would be approximately $3600.00. I felt it made sense to buy the car locally as

Congratulation, you got yourself a very good deal, that's over $5000 below MSRP.....:)

If you don't mind sharing, which Honda dealer is this? And who is the sales you were dealing with? Thanks a lot!!..

[zircon]

Transport Canada is considering changing the bumper standard...another impediment to importing cars.

Transport Canada has given us until Dec 31/07 to provide our comments to them on the alternatives that they are suggesting.

You can find the Transport Canada Notice and all the details relating to their bumper “initiative” at
http://canadagazette.gc.ca/partI/2007/20071013/html/notice-e.html

In May 2007 CAPC (Canadian Automotive Parnership Council) indicated that Transport Canada was unwilling to harmonize bumper standards.

This is your chance to demand harmonization with the US on bumpers..if you want fairer pricing from the auto manufacturers. If you don't contact your MP, the Minister of Transport and the person shown in the Notice in the Canada Gazette, we could well have a Transport Canada "standardized in Canada" bumper that limits importation from the US and continued premiums over US prices.

For more info, also see www.carswithoutborders.com

Please send an email to this guy at Transport Canada. He is the person responsible for possible changes to bumper regulations. His name is Matt Coons. Ask that they harmonize regs with the USA.

COONSM@tc.gc.ca

[yowmaven]

Congratulation, you got yourself a very good deal, that's over $5000 below MSRP.....:)

If you don't mind sharing, which Honda dealer is this? And who is the sales you were dealing with? Thanks a lot!!..

Several people have commented that I got a great deal on my wife’s 2008 Accord EX-L (4 cyl). I don’t know if this was such a great deal or that many people are simply not aware of the fact that just about anyone (or at least anyone in the GTA) can get a decent deal on the new Accord that comes reasonably close to what one can get in the US. Here is the deal that anyone in this area should be able to get before the end of the week (Honda says the incentives are available to the end of Dec. but I can’t imagine that they won’t be continued and perhaps enhanced in the New Year):

Dealer invoice: $28,758
Offer over invoice: $500
Freight & PDI: $1390
Bullsh*t tax grab AC tax: $100
Bullsh*t tax grab fuel consumption tax: $75
GST & PST (@ 13%): $4007

TOTAL: $34,830
LESS incentives: -$3000
FINAL PRICE: $31,830

My final price ended up at $31,753.96 to be exact—a bit less than above for some reason, but the difference between the 2 numbers is insignificant.

I did the deal with Richmond Hill Honda and the sales person was Lorrie Goldman. BTW, there is another Honda dealer in the area whose premises I wouldn’t bother to set foot in other than to use the toilet facilities.

[Marzipan]

So, I'm interesting in picking up an '08 Mazda3 s Touring from the States. I've checked out the Edmunds website and gotten a rough idea of what the price is (hella better than my local Mazda dealership) and I've looked over the RIV list to see if they allow that car to be imported into Canada and according to the list they allow all '08 models to be imported.

(1) Do all I need to 100% confirm that is the VIN number?


Also, I've read that immobilizers are now apparently required to be standard issue in all cars manufactuered after Sept. 1st

(2) Should/Would the US dealership I end up buying from know whether or not any pre-installed immobilizer conforms to CMVSS 114?


Finally, I realize that modifications may need to be done (@ Canadian Tire, etc) in order to pass the federal inspection.

(1) Is there some provincal inspection (specifically in BC) that has to passed as well? (I'm a little confused because on one site it mentions Canadian Tire doing provincial exams and another says that they are checking for whether it complies with federal standards)

(2) To people who have imported, what generally did it cost to get the modifications done on your car? Was the car you imported compliant without making any modifications at all?

Thanks in advance to anyone with some answers. :)

You do not need to reference the VIN. It will be on the Recall Clearance Letter. (I don't know what it takes to get the letter. Clear that with the dealer before you pay or make an agreement. Someone here could share their experience in getting the letter from Mazda.)

Since your Mazda is listed as ADMISSIBLE with no note "EIS", the installed EIS is acceptable even though it may not comply with the Canadian standard.

Check the specifications from the US Web Site carefully for the existence of an EIS and DRLs ... get a good look at the speedometer to see if it has a kph ring or the ability to be switched from the software.

[real_term]

Hi guys,

If the vehicle is already equiped with an immobilizer do I need any documentations to prove it at the border?

Thanks.

[longdong]

Hmmm just check honda.ca, the 2008 Accord EX-L with starting price of 31k .. are you sure that you got an EX-L ? an EX 27.4k



Several people have commented that I got a great deal on my wife’s 2008 Accord EX-L (4 cyl). I don’t know if this was such a great deal or that many people are simply not aware of the fact that just about anyone (or at least anyone in the GTA) can get a decent deal on the new Accord that comes reasonably close to what one can get in the US. Here is the deal that anyone in this area should be able to get before the end of the week (Honda says the incentives are available to the end of Dec. but I can’t imagine that they won’t be continued and perhaps enhanced in the New Year):

Dealer invoice: $28,758
Offer over invoice: $500
Freight & PDI: $1390
Bullsh*t tax grab AC tax: $100
Bullsh*t tax grab fuel consumption tax: $75
GST & PST (@ 13%): $4007

TOTAL: $34,830
LESS incentives: -$3000
FINAL PRICE: $31,830

My final price ended up at $31,753.96 to be exact—a bit less than above for some reason, but the difference between the 2 numbers is insignificant.

I did the deal with Richmond Hill Honda and the sales person was Lorrie Goldman. BTW, there is another Honda dealer in the area whose premises I wouldn’t bother to set foot in other than to use the toilet facilities.

[icanwait]

That looks about right for the invoice amount.

What I don't get is the $3000 incentives. The website shows $1000 cash card.

I suspect it has to do with the lease return on the Acura which is probably worth more now than it will in a couple of months when prices will drop more drastically.

Everyone is entitled to choose whatever they want to drive - especially with the wife calling the shots.

But rather than comparing the Accord to an Outback it compares more with a Tribeca.

The Outback price in the U.S. compares to a Civic in Canada.

[Marzipan]

That looks about right for the invoice amount.

What I don't get is the $3000 incentives. The website shows $1000 cash card.



From the Canadian Web pages I get the price of the EX-L Auto (without even an engine heater) at about $32,600 - about 23% more than the USA price.

When I check Special Offers I don't find anything except lease and purchase financing deals.

If Honda Canada do have some good incentives to narrow the price gap they aught to be conspicuous.

[giasone]

ICANWAIT

These incentives are for cash only deals, they were announced last month by Honda, but obviously they don't want to advertise the fact anymore.

Jason.

[bluemule999]

Please add my name to the list as well.

I am also looking to buy a Toyota Camry. Please pm with Toyota dealers willing to sell to Cdns. I have already imported a Subaru (see past posts), so I am not a Toyota HQ spy!!!

[longdong]

if you are willing to register the car in state before importing to Canada so PM me I will tell you about the dealer name and my contact seller (it's easier if you are from Montreal).


I am also looking to buy a Toyota Camry. Please pm with Toyota dealers willing to sell to Cdns. I have already imported a Subaru (see past posts), so I am not a Toyota HQ spy!!!

[yowmaven]

That looks about right for the invoice amount.

What I don't get is the $3000 incentives. The website shows $1000 cash card.

I suspect it has to do with the lease return on the Acura which is probably worth more now than it will in a couple of months when prices will drop more drastically.

Has nothing to do with the Acura. Honda is not actively advertising the $2000
"Factory to dealer" incentive. I looked at the Honda CDN website, Googled "2008 Honda Accord incentives", etc. and couldn't find anything on the $2000. I read about the $2000 in the Globe & Mail and came across it elsewhere. Also, the dealer invoice cost of the car (or any other car with any incentives) shown on the Car Cost Canada website will note all incentives currently extant on the particular car requested. I suspect that Honda is counting on many not being aware of the $2000 (as is evident by some of the posts in this thread) as this gives the dealer more room to close a deal (and make more money by keeping all or part of the $2000 incentive) by dealing with customers who are not aware of this incentive.

And yes, in confirming a post above, the $3000 is only for cash deals.

[jadeboy]

REGULATIONS AMENDING THE MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY REGULATIONS (IMPORTATION OF VEHICLES — SECTION 12)

AMENDMENT

1. Section 12 of the Motor Vehicle Safety Regulations (see footnote 1) is amended by adding the following after subsection (4):

(4.1) For the purposes of subsection 7(2) of the Act, a vehicle that has been sold at the retail level in the United States and that has not been certified by the manufacturer as conforming to subsection 114(4) of Schedule IV to these Regulations may be imported into Canada despite not being certified to conform to subsection 114(4) if

(a) the vehicle was fitted at the time of manufacture with an electronic immobilization system; or

(b) the person importing the vehicle states in their declaration that the vehicle

(i) will be fitted with an immobilization system that conforms to National Standard of Canada CAN/ULC-S338-98, entitled Automobile Theft Deterrent Equipment and Systems: Electronic Immobilization (May 1998), published by the Underwriters' Laboratories of Canada, before it is presented for registration under the laws of a province, and

(ii) will be taken, within 45 days after its importation, to an inspection station authorized by the registrar of imported vehicles to carry out an inspection function to determine that the vehicle has been made to conform to the standard.

[davehender]

If you agree with the letter below, then please send it to Matthew Coons at TC. The deadline for submissions is December 31, 2007, so it must be done now. If you agree with the text then please feel free to copy, add or remove what you like, put your name and address on it, and fire it off. You may have to reformat the spacing etc. a bit. Matthew Coons' email address is COONSM@tc.gc.ca

Many thanks to MDBUFFY for the inspiration, and to Robert Lamb & Serge Bergeron of www.carswithoutborders.com, from whom I took the initial copy of this letter.




December 26, 2007



Matthew Coons
Senior Regulatory Development Engineer,
Road Safety and Motor Vehicle Regulation
Directorate,
Transport Canada,
330 Sparks Street, 8th Floor, Ottawa,
Ontario, K1A 0N5
COONSM@tc.gc.ca



Dear Sir,

Re: Notice requesting comments on the intention to amend section 215, "Bumpers," of the Motor Vehicle Safety Regulations


I am writing to strongly support harmonizing the Canadian bumper regulations with those of the United States. Based on my review of the documentation provided in the Canada Gazette Vol 141, No. 41 dated October 13, 2007 I would like to emphasize the following points:

No Apparent Safety Benefit - Based on the commentary provided I see no specific safety benefit to justify Transport Canada’s enforcement of unique bumper regulations. As noted in the Canada Gazette commentary, even Transport Canada itself has been unable to justify why the Canadian bumper standard should continue to be more stringent than those of the United States or other countries (i.e. UNECE).

Additional Costs to Vehicle Importers – I have noted, using the current VAFUS list, that certain importers have been able to restrict the importation of certain models of US vehicles into Canada as a result of the stricter Canadian bumper standards. Numerous automobile manufacturers have declared their U.S. vehicles to be either “inadmissible” into Canada or to be in requirement of upgrades to meet Canadian bumper standards, while Canadian consumers presently pay significant premiums to purchase nearly identical models in Canada; in fact, Canadian Driver estimated that in 2006 the typical Canadian vehicle was $5,842 (17 percent) more expensive in Canada than in the United States. Taking into account recent nominal Canadian price discounts and token incentives (albeit with some greater incentives amongst low-demand vehicles that are hit harder by the Canadian market slowdown), this difference is likely greater now given the significant rise in Canadian dollar's value relative to that of the U.S. dollar. Like consumers, insurers likely also want the prices of vehicles to drop in Canada to reduce their loss exposure. Lower car prices in Canada should also lead to lower insurance premiums for Canadian consumers.

When Canadians are able to purchase American vehicles under NAFTA in response to inflated Canadian prices, then Canadian automobile prices will ultimately fall; free competition will not occur, however, if there are unique regulations in Canada that result in manufacturers charging more for their vehicles on either legitimate of illegitimate grounds. Auto manufacturers presently use the bumper standard to discourage importation of their vehicles into Canada, by charging significant amounts to have bumpers upgraded to meet Canadian standards. Where bumpers can be upgraded to meet Canadian standards, many manufacturers require they be upgraded at a Canadian dealer's facility. For manufacturers using the newly-contrived "Official Admissibility Letter" this dealer-completed upgrade is a condition for the purchaser to be able to buy a letter from them. Cost of the dealer-completed bumper upgrade is significant and in my opinion greatly exceeds the actual "time and materials" costs involved; in addition to this, consumers must pay up to $500 to purchase their admissibility letter after the work has been done! The issue of Daytime Running Lights (DRLs) is another matter where manufacturers charge significant amounts for their installation. In some cases DRL installation cost is charged regardless of whether Daytime Running Lights have already been installed and enabled by the vehicle's American seller.

I believe BMW and Mercedes corporations’ requirement that Canadians get a separate letter of admissibility is both unwarranted and completely inappropriate. That this happens with the participation of Transport Canada gives me deep concern that corporate manipulation has taken place in levels of government that are supposed to exist to represent Canadians, and which by definition are supposed to be accountable to Canadian voters only. If these special circumstances are left unchecked, I believe that all manufacturers will begin expressing a “need” for manufacturer-specific admissibility letters, which will again result in significant additional costs for Canadians to bear for no other reason than to increase corporate profits.

In conclusion, I strongly encourage Transport Canada to harmonize Canadian bumper regulations with the U.S. or, failing that, to formally demonstrate to Canadians why a unique Canadian regulation is required. I also request that Transport Canada properly investigate and substantiate the “needs” of certain manufacturers that now require Canadians to purchase admissibility letters when importing American vehicles. Finally, I ask Transport Canada to question why it continues to provide government resources and bureaucratic authority to automakers, which are blatantly using those public resources to dictate protectionist policies that harm all Canadians.


Regards,

[DrXenon]

In conclusion, I strongly encourage Transport Canada to harmonize Canadian bumper regulations with the U.S. or, failing that, to formally demonstrate to Canadians why a unique Canadian regulation is required.
Regards,

I agree with most of your sentiments, but I think mandating a higher speed bumper standard is a good thing. I read recently of parking lot-speed accidents that would have not damaged at all a car from the 70s with a proper bumper costing $5000 or more to fix on a modern plastic-skinned styrofoam bumper. The American manufacturers have the government in their pocket but that's no reason why we should lower our standards too.

[Lost Horizon]

I agree with most of your sentiments, but I think mandating a higher speed bumper standard is a good thing. I read recently of parking lot-speed accidents that would have not damaged at all a car from the 70s with a proper bumper costing $5000 or more to fix on a modern plastic-skinned styrofoam bumper. The American manufacturers have the government in their pocket but that's no reason why we should lower our standards too.

With all due respect, you are assuming that there is a positive cost benefit to the canadian consumer without much research. Do you know the benefits, or is this along the lines of armchair quarterbacking? Are you familiar with volume manufacturing, special order, custom setup, R&D for a small run, etc? Are you a design engineer?

Just asking...

[Marzipan]

I agree with most of your sentiments, but I think mandating a higher speed bumper standard is a good thing. I read recently of parking lot-speed accidents that would have not damaged at all a car from the 70s with a proper bumper costing $5000 or more to fix on a modern plastic-skinned styrofoam bumper. The American manufacturers have the government in their pocket but that's no reason why we should lower our standards too.

My understanding from reading the Canada Gazette is that Transport Canada has no mandate with respect to bumpers to regulate because of a cost of repair benefit. The Safety Regulations must be confined to the goal of safety.

So, a relevant question might be - is the 8 kph bumper safer and is the cost of the safer bumper justified? Of course, here, we tend to answer "No" because we get ripped off by foreign owned manufacturers exploiting the disharmonious bumper barrier.

[CatDog]

this thread is 765 pages long :|

I was just wondering when importing a car, do we first pay the GST and then the 6.1 ontop of that figure?

Also, when buying the car from a person, what do we need?

How does customs determine the value of the car, is it from blue book, or do we show them the wire fee transfer?

Help!!! :)

[bluemule999]

Done...email sent!!!

If you agree with the letter below, then please send it to Matthew Coons at TC. The deadline for submissions is TOMORROW (December 27, 2007), so it must be done now. If you agree with the text then please feel free to copy, add or remove what you like, put your name and address on it, and fire it off. You may have to reformat the spacing etc. a bit. Matthew Coons' email address is COONSM@tc.gc.ca

Many thanks to MDBUFFY for the inspiration, and to Robert Lamb & Serge Bergeron of www.carswithoutborders.com, from whom I took the initial copy of this letter.


December 26, 2007

Matthew Coons
Senior Regulatory Development Engineer,
Road Safety and Motor Vehicle Regulation
Directorate,
Transport Canada,
330 Sparks Street, 8th Floor, Ottawa,
Ontario, K1A 0N5
COONSM@tc.gc.ca

Dear Sir,

Re: Notice requesting comments on the intention to amend section 215, "Bumpers," of the Motor Vehicle Safety Regulations


I am writing to strongly support harmonizing the Canadian bumper regulations with those of the United States. Based on my review of the documentation provided in the Canada Gazette Vol 141, No. 41 dated October 13, 2007 I would like to emphasize the following points:

No Apparent Safety Benefit - Based on the commentary provided I see no specific safety benefit to justify Transport Canada’s enforcement of unique bumper regulations. As noted in the Canada Gazette commentary, even Transport Canada itself has been unable to justify why the Canadian bumper standard should continue to be more stringent than those of the United States or other countries (i.e. UNECE).

[68style]

this thread is 765 pages long :|

I was just wondering when importing a car, do we first pay the GST and then the 6.1 ontop of that figure?

Also, when buying the car from a person, what do we need?

How does customs determine the value of the car, is it from blue book, or do we show them the wire fee transfer?

Help!!! :)

You pay the GST and duty on the total price of the car (price you claim + air conditioning excise tax of $100... yes you get taxed on the tax)

Customs determines the value of the car from what you tell them. They ask you how much you paid, then they invariably ask for proof of that figure (wire transfer, receipt, invoice, whatever) but they have a general idea what cars sell for because they see them every day so my advice = don't lie.

As to what you need from the other person, you've got a LOT of catching up to do haha, I don't feel like explaining the whole process. Just read the first few posts of this thread, I'm sure it's all explained there.

[CatDog]

yeah, i have some idea...

something from manufacture, etc.

so do I pay 6% then on top of that 6.1%

Does anyone have a good experience with a transit company? I'm going to look through some posts of this thread.

[shopper-X]

yeah, i have some idea...

something from manufacture, etc.

so do I pay 6% then on top of that 6.1%

Does anyone have a good experience with a transit company? I'm going to look through some posts of this thread.


The best way to see is:

Amounts paid when crossing in to Canada:

Duty = (Purchase Price * Exchange Rate) * 0.061 (only paid if not a NAFTA vehicle)
GST = (Purchase Price * Exchange Rate) * GST Rate
A/C Tax = $100 * (1+GST Rate)

Later when getting plates:

PST = (Purchase Price * Exchange Rate) * PST Rate


Basic Total Price = (Purchase Price * Exchange Rate) + Duty + GST + A/C Tax + PST

[t_garp]

Done...email sent!!!


email Sent to TC on the Bumper issue

[Cars4Canadians]

I agree with most of your sentiments, but I think mandating a higher speed bumper standard is a good thing. I read recently of parking lot-speed accidents that would have not damaged at all a car from the 70s with a proper bumper costing $5000 or more to fix on a modern plastic-skinned styrofoam bumper. The American manufacturers have the government in their pocket but that's no reason why we should lower our standards too.

I don't care if hte bumber falls off if someone hits it at 2km/h. How much is a bumber? 20,000? :)

so i'd rather pay 20,000 less for a car, and replace the bumper twice in the next 4 years and save 16,000 lol

[Cars4Canadians]

I sent the email to Coons regarding the bumper also,
somehow i have a hard time believing that our government would remove that idiotic regulation.... that would mean they actually give a **** about us.

We are way too civilized, and we just take it up the ass.

[cinqhoda]

I sent the email to Coons regarding the bumper also,
somehow i have a hard time believing that our government would remove that idiotic regulation.... that would mean they actually give a **** about us.

We are way too civilized, and we just take it up the ass.

Why would you have a hard time believing that??

Don't forget that this is the same government that amended the engine immobilizer rule, in less than four months (I don't remember any government doing anything in less than four months), for about 1100 people or 0.0037% of the population. They have also publicly asked the auto makers to lower their prices on more than one occasion.

I think if any government were to do anything to harmonize regulations and/or bring down manufacturer imposed trade barriers, it would be this one.

[Marzipan]

email Sent to TC on the Bumper issue

Sent mine too. Argued for harmonization. The higher impact speed bumper was not worth the much higher cost imposed on Canadian consumers by manufacturers

[scrolllock]

Ok folks, Serge and I just finished reading many different Car of the year reviews, especially those sponsored by the Automakers.

We also looked at the one sponsored by the Automobile Journalists Association of Canada! These boys actually pay an annual fee to vote!



We think they are all wrong… They have all missed the boat... (or should I say Car)



Please go to http://www.carswithoutborders.com/ and see our pick.





Robert Lamb and Serge Bergeron

[DrXenon]

Are you familiar with volume manufacturing, special order, custom setup, R&D for a small run, etc? Are you a design engineer?

Just asking...

Actually, yes, I do have an undergraduate degree in engineering and I'm familiar with all those things. Are you old enough to remember the metal bumpers, equipped with shock absorbers, on 1980s and earlier cars? They are clearly better, and you don't have to be an engineer to see that. The performance of these plastic lamina bumpers is outlined in:

http://www.iihs.org/news/rss/pr122007.html

I also like to pay less for things, but I recognize that there is a role for government in preventing the race to the bottom that would otherwise occur.

[davehender]

I agree with most of your sentiments, but I think mandating a higher speed bumper standard is a good thing. I read recently of parking lot-speed accidents that would have not damaged at all a car from the 70s with a proper bumper costing $5000 or more to fix on a modern plastic-skinned styrofoam bumper. The American manufacturers have the government in their pocket but that's no reason why we should lower our standards too.

I understand your point, and I do agree that higher speed bumpers are very desirable... especially when it can cost thousands of dollars to repair damage caused by even a low speed collision.

My concern is that any standard that deviates from American standards opens the door to auto manufacturers to continue charging such gawd-awful prices. As soon as prices drop relative to free market prices (i.e. the vicinity of American prices, which are as close to free market prices as we'll get around here) then we'll be able to push for better bumpers. Or automakers concerned about building quality will build cars with 5 mph bumpers and be rewarded for it by selling many more vehicles. It's depressing that we have to go that way, but from looking at the RIV pages it's evident automakers are beginning to jump on the "oh darn, our made-for-America bumpers just aren't going to be good enough for the Canadian market" bandwagon. It seems they're preparing to redo the immobilizer scenario all over again, although this time they're also fixin' to add the 'Admissibility letter' ball of BS along with it.

Thanks to everyone for sending something in.

[Lost Horizon]

Actually, yes, I do have an undergraduate degree in engineering and I'm familiar with all those things. Are you old enough to remember the metal bumpers, equipped with shock absorbers, on 1980s and earlier cars? They are clearly better, and you don't have to be an engineer to see that. The performance of these plastic lamina bumpers is outlined in:

http://www.iihs.org/news/rss/pr122007.html

I also like to pay less for things, but I recognize that there is a role for government in preventing the race to the bottom that would otherwise occur.

Just yanking yer chain there, Dr.. And I do remember all that, sad to recall.. I'm 62, and my first new car was a '69 428 Mustang CJ when it was introduced..... thin little bumpers on that, cheap to fix and those ugly polyester steel belt tires lasted, but were slippery as hockey pucks when it got cold... >:(

Now we have hydraulic rate based rams, etc.. all that makes it an expensive piece of gear costing 5k to fix.. It's an exponential increase in design to go up even a few km, so go over that, and it could be 8k to fix... Considering the benefit, what has been gained by the "canadian one off" demand?

My take as an old man who should have drowned as a kid growing up is that there is way too much academic arrogance that goes into these vernier decisions, with little or no street/common sense to balance the scales, that's all.

[Prof]

Why would you have a hard time believing that??

Don't forget that this is the same government that amended the engine immobilizer rule, in less than four months (I don't remember any government doing anything in less than four months), for about 1100 people or 0.0037% of the population. They have also publicly asked the auto makers to lower their prices on more than one occasion.

I think if any government were to do anything to harmonize regulations and/or bring down manufacturer imposed trade barriers, it would be this one.

Completely agree. This gov't deserves, at the very least, a thank you for responding expeditiously to resolve the issue. The process was amazingly quick in government terms.

[dreaderus]

question when i cross the border i am going to be carrying a bank draft for the car, do i have to fill out a form as per this reference?

http://canadaonline.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ/Ya&sdn=canadaonline&cdn=newsissues&tm=26&f=00&tt=14&bt=0&bts=1&zu=http%3A//cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/contact/bis-sif-eng.html

[2ride4life]

Thanks to OP for starting this resource for all of us interested in not getting taken.
Anyways, I was wondering for all of those that have taken advantage of car prices in the USA, what financial methods did you guys use to maximize the savings that you received?
I realize for those of you saving ~10k that taking a straight-up car loan still gives you a car thousands cheaper than buying in Canada, but what if your margin is not quite that big.
Any info or alternatives would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

[yyz2hkg]

question when i cross the border i am going to be carrying a bank draft for the car, do i have to fill out a form as per this reference?

http://canadaonline.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ/Ya&sdn=canadaonline&cdn=newsissues&tm=26&f=00&tt=14&bt=0&bts=1&zu=http%3A//cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/contact/bis-sif-eng.html

No....when crossing the border, just ensure you declare the amount of the Bank Draft, if over $10 000. I would declare it anyways regardless of the amount.

[niceguy1234]

No....when crossing the border, just ensure you declare the amount of the Bank Draft, if over $10 000. I would declare it anyways regardless of the amount.

To declare the money over $10000, do you mean just tell the US officer at the boarder that you are carrying a bank draft for purchasing a car? Any form need to be filled?

[yyz2hkg]

To declare the money over $10000, do you mean just tell the US officer at the boarder that you are carrying a bank draft for purchasing a car? Any form need to be filled?

When i bought my car...i declared my Bank Draft and the amount. It clearly showed the dealer's name and amount, and nothing to fill out.

[Cars4Canadians]

Who got us into this mess? And why should we thank them for fixing their F-ups?


Completely agree. This gov't deserves, at the very least, a thank you for responding expeditiously to resolve the issue. The process was amazingly quick in government terms.

[juggmon]

Thanks for answering my questions earlier, marzipan!

I've got a new question now: What kind of taxes and fees are typically paid when purchasing a car from the States. My understanding is that there are fees for documentation and title. How about freight and PDI? I was looking at the "carburner" website linked in the first post of this thread and it mentions that if you sign a "tax exemption affadavit" you could avoid paying state taxes. Is it as simple as declaring "I'm a Canadian citizen and I'm intending to import and register this vehicle in Canada" to the dealer I'm purchasing from and signing the aforementioned affadavit? And if the dealer states that he can't waive the state taxes, where can I get re-imbursed? Thanks in advance to anyone who can answer those ones :)

[shopper_of_things]

Thanks for answering my questions earlier, marzipan!

I've got a new question now: What kind of taxes and fees are typically paid when purchasing a car from the States. My understanding is that there are fees for documentation and title. How about freight and PDI? I was looking at the "carburner" website linked in the first post of this thread and it mentions that if you sign a "tax exemption affadavit" you could avoid paying state taxes. Is it as simple as declaring "I'm a Canadian citizen and I'm intending to import and register this vehicle in Canada" to the dealer I'm purchasing from and signing the aforementioned affadavit? And if the dealer states that he can't waive the state taxes, where can I get re-imbursed? Thanks in advance to anyone who can answer those ones :)

It probably depends on the state, but in NY they charge the Destination, temp permit, and tire tax. I told them I was buying from Canada and no state tax was charged.

[jasz]

Hi Guys!

I have successfully completed the importation of Acura MDX '07. I couldn't have done it without the help of many of you in here..Thank you!

I have run into this minor problem. I assumed that it would have DRL' installed since it's part of the specs. Big mistake. Only fog lights remain turned on. So now i have to find a way to get them working.

I haven't called a Acura dealer yet. I want to see if there is someone else who had that problem? Please advise ...

Thanks in advance..

[Danno2005]

Sounds like enabling high beam DRLs might be alot of work.

See attached link.

http://www.acuraworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20878

[zircon]

Who got us into this mess? And why should we thank them for fixing their F-ups?

The immobilizer issue began about 3 years ago under the liberal regime. I don't blame them, I blame the bozos at TC who feel that they can implement policies that supposedly benefit Canadians, which, in the long term, do the exact opposite. So, Harper has fixed a problem that began with another govt. I urge everyone to write to TC today (see emails about 20 above) re: possible changes to the bumper standard. We need to harmonize this with the yanks. If you do write, be polite.

[Cars4Canadians]

I don't understand how the Immoblizer crap will save lives....


How many people died last year due to the immobilizer not being in effect? Does anyone know the stats?

The immobilizer issue began about 3 years ago under the liberal regime. I don't blame them, I blame the bozos at TC who feel that they can implement policies that supposedly benefit Canadians, which, in the long term, do the exact opposite. So, Harper has fixed a problem that began with another govt. I urge everyone to write to TC today (see emails about 20 above) re: possible changes to the bumper standard. We need to harmonize this with the yanks. If you do write, be polite.

[st7860]

I don't understand how the Immoblizer crap will save lives....


How many people died last year due to the immobilizer not being in effect? Does anyone know the stats?
http://www.baitcar.com/

[Cars4Canadians]

Hmmm, drugs, idiotic kids, nice combination.
Kids should not be protected when they do stupid things, they should get stiff jail time like the adults.


http://www.baitcar.com/

[bionicbadger]

Sounds like enabling high beam DRLs might be alot of work.

See attached link.

http://www.acuraworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20878

That guy is a ******.
Fog lights are not meant for day time running lights, neither are high beams. They are extremely annoying to other people on the road and are not "cool" in any sense of the word.
If my neighbour had highbeams on all the time, I'd go and smash his lights out with a hammer.

[wackojacko]

That guy is a ******.
Fog lights are not meant for day time running lights, neither are high beams. They are extremely annoying to other people on the road and are not "cool" in any sense of the word.
If my neighbour had highbeams on all the time, I'd go and smash his lights out with a hammer.

It really gets annoying when everyone just throws around insults. DRL ARE HIGHBEAMS AT A LOWER VOLTAGE. So who is the ******???

They use the highbeams so that you are not running the low beam bulbs and therefore your lights last longer.

[Danno2005]

I don't know if anyone has noticed late model Chryslers like the Grand Cherokee with high beam DRLs. They are bright, blinding and extremely annoying.

Fogs used as DRLs may be annoying but no worse than these Chrysler products - which are legal.

[kplange]

To declare the money over $10000, do you mean just tell the US officer at the boarder that you are carrying a bank draft for purchasing a car? Any form need to be filled?

To be on the safe side, you should inform U.S. customs of the fact that you are bringing over X amount of dollars to purchase a car. When I crossed the border back in November, I had a bank draft for $9800 and my wife had one for $9500. We wanted to keep it under $10,000 each to avoid filling out any forms that could have tax implications. What resulted from that was an hour long stay at customs with interviews in seperate rooms. They felt that we were trying to "circumvent the system" by each bringing in just under $10,000. In the end, they admitted that we had done nothing wrong, we had just raised their suspicions. Had we not originally declared the amounts, we could have had the funds confiscated. We also found out that the $10,000 is per family, not per person.

[Sparro]

I sent my email yesterday in favour of harmonizing the bumper standards with the US. DONE. |

[mracer]

I sent my email yesterday in favour of harmonizing the bumper standards with the US. DONE. |

x2!
Mike:cheesygri

[b_lum81]

To be on the safe side, you should inform U.S. customs of the fact that you are bringing over X amount of dollars to purchase a car. When I crossed the border back in November, I had a bank draft for $9800 and my wife had one for $9500. We wanted to keep it under $10,000 each to avoid filling out any forms that could have tax implications. What resulted from that was an hour long stay at customs with interviews in seperate rooms. They felt that we were trying to "circumvent the system" by each bringing in just under $10,000. In the end, they admitted that we had done nothing wrong, we had just raised their suspicions. Had we not originally declared the amounts, we could have had the funds confiscated. We also found out that the $10,000 is per family, not per person.

For my transaction I avoided the whole bank draft situation and opened a bank account at the bank of america just across the border in Blaine WA, then wire transferred my money into that account. Since the money was in a US bank account I wire transferred the money into the sellers account since he was with the same bank. Alternatively I could have written a bank draft in the states while I was there, avoiding the problem at the border.

[thegradas]

Subaru should focus on 4-6 cyl. diesel AWD cars. AWD is not for city cars so hybrid makes no sense.
Honda will bring the ideal solution: small cars = hybrid (for city driving), mid+large cars = diesel (for hwy. driving)

A good example for Subaru is this:
http://tinyurl.com/2e9yel "VIDEO: Jeremy Clarkson goes from London to Edinburgh and back on one tank of diesel in an Audi A8"



Outback = lighter but +20% fuel thirstier than RAV4
Subaru must work on their engines (CAFE :rolleyes: ), not only on their AWD performance.

[scrolllock]

Kingston-Whig Standard gets it Right!!

Another very good article by Frank Armstrong in the Kingston Whig Standard paper today.

One of Canada’s oldest newspapers! and we know why!

www.carswithoutborders.com


http://www.kingstonwhigstandard.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=833406&auth=Frank+Armstrong

[Danno2005]

Kingston-Whig Standard gets it Right!!

Another very good article by Frank Armstrong in the Kingston Whig Standard paper today.

One of Canada’s oldest newspapers! and we know why!

www.carswithoutborders.com


http://www.kingstonwhigstandard.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=833406&auth=Frank+Armstrong

Nice article - just need more of them to really turn up the heat.

[Monsieurmaggot]

www.carswithoutborders.com



By the way, please feel free to post my FAQ and document photos on your website.

We need to spread the word on how easy importing actually is.

I'm looking forward with great anticipation to reading what the December import numbers will be.

I suspect they will be slightly lower than November's numbers but most likely due to the typical market decline in December. Naturally DesRosiers and his cronies will say the Canadian automotive sector is rebounding "due to their agressive campaigning" and that the US sales floodgates are finally subsiding.

If only that was true. I expect the market to continue to be strong. The Canadian prices have come down about 6% but they're still 10-20% higher than the US.

[Marzipan]

I'm looking forward with great anticipation to reading what the December import numbers will be.



I'm loking forward with great anticipation to reading what the January incentives will be.

I bet they will say "There has never been a better time to visit your ***** dealer's showroom".

[icanwait]

This time last year the Honda Accord was 2.9% over five years plus either a $1750 or $1500 gas card. Which is considerably better than the $1000 can 4.9% that they are offering now at their "lowest prices ever" offers.

The reason I haven't bought in the US is because I've pretty much decided on the Mitsubishi Outlander.

The difference is only $5000 between US and Canada - then there's the 6.1% import duty of about $1800 off of that bringing it to about par if there is 0% financing, which there usually is at this time of the year.

Since the 10 year warranty is what I'm particularly interested in - buying in the US would void that.

However - if any other manufacturer makes me an offer I can't refuse - I'm open to offers.

[accorder]

good article. don't remember it was posted.

Survey respondents believe vehicles are less expensive in the United States, and want the government to act
GREG KEENAN

AUTO INDUSTRY REPORTER

December 24, 2007

Car buyers want the federal government to force auto makers to reduce the prices of their vehicles in Canada to match those in the United States, says a survey of new auto purchasers by consulting firm Maritz Canada Inc.

Almost all buyers - 96 per cent - are aware of the difference in prices between vehicles in the two countries and more than two-thirds point to the vehicle companies as being most responsible for higher prices, said Maritz, which surveyed 1,918 Canadians who bought a new car in the past 12 months. Eight of every 10 people responding want the federal government to act. Many of them blame Ottawa for being at least partly responsible for higher prices in Canada.

"These findings clearly suggest that the automotive industry needs to take action to address these perceptions - whether it is to further reduce prices or to start communicating with consumers to help them understand the underlying reasons for the price gap," Maritz said.

Those surveyed believed a $20,000 car would cost $3,200 less in the United States, a $30,000 car would be $5,180 cheaper and a $40,000 vehicle would cost $7,500 less at a U.S. dealership.

It also showed that as many as half the people who bought cars in the past 12 months would consider buying a vehicle in the United States, while 74 per cent of those planning to buy a vehicle in the next 12 months would consider heading south.
"Over half of the market; we're not talking 5 per cent to 7 per cent here," said Chris Travell, vice-president Maritz's automotive group. "It looks like it's going to continue to be an issue in the short term."

Cross-border car shopping has been a thorny and high-profile issue for auto makers in Canada as the Canadian dollar reached parity with the U.S. currency and then soared to $1.10.

Auto makers at first stood steadfast and insisted that the price gap was not as large as it appeared to be because of different incentives and lease rates and maintained that prices are set for individual national markets.

But as the flood of buyers to the south hit a peak in October and November, auto makers responded first with incentives for cash buyers, then cut prices with rebates, subsidized lease rates and other incentives.

About three-quarters of the buyers who responded to the survey, however, said they don't believe the recent price cuts, reduced lease rates and cash incentives are sufficient to offset the difference in prices between Canadian and U.S. vehicles.

That's despite the blitz of incentive money and advertising dollars that has flowed into the market in recent months as auto makers have tried to keep buyers at home.

"It's an expensive game that everybody's playing right now," Mr. Travell said.

The number of cross-border shoppers hit a record in November at 30,002 - which surpassed the previous record set in October - but the numbers have been rising all year.

As of Nov. 30, more than 166,000 Canadians had purchased cars in the United States, shattering the record of 112,826 set in 2006.

Source: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20071224.RCARS24/TPStory/Business

[zircon]

good article. don't remember it was posted.

Survey respondents believe vehicles are less expensive in the United States, and want the government to act
GREG KEENAN

AUTO INDUSTRY REPORTER

December 24, 2007

Car buyers want the federal government to force auto makers to reduce the prices of their vehicles in Canada to match those in the United States, says a survey of new auto purchasers by consulting firm Maritz Canada Inc.

Almost all buyers - 96 per cent - are aware of the difference in prices between vehicles in the two countries and more than two-thirds point to the vehicle companies as being most responsible for higher prices, said Maritz, which surveyed 1,918 Canadians who bought a new car in the past 12 months. Eight of every 10 people responding want the federal government to act. Many of them blame Ottawa for being at least partly responsible for higher prices in Canada.

"These findings clearly suggest that the automotive industry needs to take action to address these perceptions - whether it is to further reduce prices or to start communicating with consumers to help them understand the underlying reasons for the price gap," Maritz said.

Those surveyed believed a $20,000 car would cost $3,200 less in the United States, a $30,000 car would be $5,180 cheaper and a $40,000 vehicle would cost $7,500 less at a U.S. dealership.

It also showed that as many as half the people who bought cars in the past 12 months would consider buying a vehicle in the United States, while 74 per cent of those planning to buy a vehicle in the next 12 months would consider heading south.
"Over half of the market; we're not talking 5 per cent to 7 per cent here," said Chris Travell, vice-president Maritz's automotive group. "It looks like it's going to continue to be an issue in the short term."

Cross-border car shopping has been a thorny and high-profile issue for auto makers in Canada as the Canadian dollar reached parity with the U.S. currency and then soared to $1.10.

Auto makers at first stood steadfast and insisted that the price gap was not as large as it appeared to be because of different incentives and lease rates and maintained that prices are set for individual national markets.

But as the flood of buyers to the south hit a peak in October and November, auto makers responded first with incentives for cash buyers, then cut prices with rebates, subsidized lease rates and other incentives.

About three-quarters of the buyers who responded to the survey, however, said they don't believe the recent price cuts, reduced lease rates and cash incentives are sufficient to offset the difference in prices between Canadian and U.S. vehicles.

That's despite the blitz of incentive money and advertising dollars that has flowed into the market in recent months as auto makers have tried to keep buyers at home.

"It's an expensive game that everybody's playing right now," Mr. Travell said.

The number of cross-border shoppers hit a record in November at 30,002 - which surpassed the previous record set in October - but the numbers have been rising all year.

As of Nov. 30, more than 166,000 Canadians had purchased cars in the United States, shattering the record of 112,826 set in 2006.

Source: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20071224.RCARS24/TPStory/Business

Accorder, lots of people have been commenting on this article. The G&M uses hyperbole with free abandon. Terms like 'Suspicious' "believe they can save" shows just how low this newspaper has sunk. Their crony auto writers should be paid by the advertising dept, as they are totally out to lunch. David Booth of the National Post is the only writer I have come across in the mainstream press who pointblank states that we are getting ripped off, that the game is over, and that they must drastically reduce prices. He is a true auto writer.

What do you think of the new Accords? They both look much better then the previous generation(s), especially the coupe. Put a diesel (2.2L) and HIDs in it, drop the price to 30K loaded, and even I might return to this company.

[bluemule999]

question when i cross the border i am going to be carrying a bank draft for the car, do i have to fill out a form as per this reference?

http://canadaonline.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ/Ya&sdn=canadaonline&cdn=newsissues&tm=26&f=00&tt=14&bt=0&bts=1&zu=http%3A//cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/contact/bis-sif-eng.html

I also went down with a bank draft to pay for my Subaru. I told US Customs when entering the USA that I was going to pay for my new car. I did not think to declare the bank draft and he did not ask. After reading your question, I would declare it to be safe.

[accorder]

What do you think of the new Accords? They both look much better then the previous generation(s), especially the coupe. Put a diesel (2.2L) and HIDs in it, drop the price to 30K loaded, and even I might return to this company.

my 99 accord runs great and indeed is due for an upgrade. The new models are great and I am very temptated too. yet no plan to get one or even visit a dealer until the prices (MSRPs) come down to the U.S pricing range. the auto companies have done nothing but played the tricks to discourage Cdns to shop across the boarder. I feel sad that Canadians are being treated like second-class consumers by these auto makers.

on the other hand, since we're used to higher prices, the cash price for the new accord seems attractive to many Cdns even it is 10 to 15 percent higher than that in the U.S. A RFDer got his new accord in previous posts. As long as it makes senses to him/her, why not?

[cinqhoda]

I don't understand how the Immoblizer crap will save lives....


How many people died last year due to the immobilizer not being in effect? Does anyone know the stats?

The immobilizer provision was brought in to prevent amateur car thieves (i.e. idiot teenagers, crack addicts etc.) from being able to easily steal a vehicle and kill somebody while high or joyriding.

If you have never heard of someone getting killed by some drunk and/or high and/or idiot teenager driving a stolen car, then you must be getting your news from other sources than I am.

As far as stats are concerned, I think I recall about 20 or so people were killed last year in Canada from situations I described above.

If it saves just one person's life, then to me, $32 per vehicle (cost estimated about 3 years ago) is worth it.

[Marzipan]

I don't understand how the Immoblizer crap will save lives....


How many people died last year due to the immobilizer not being in effect? Does anyone know the stats?

But, please, not so fast with Ottawa bashing.

The immobilizer regulation was adopted only after many, many hours of consultation and consideration. Get a sense of this to respect the democratic process enjoyed in Canada by going to the Dec 1, 2007 Canada Gazette. (http://canadagazette.gc.ca/partI/2007/20071201/pdf/g1-14148.pdf) Start reading at page 3366 to find the answers to your questions.

[Cars4Canadians]

My beef is that we have to have a "Special" immobilizer, instead of using whatever the Americans have.

The immobilizer provision was brought in to prevent amateur car thieves (i.e. idiot teenagers, crack addicts etc.) from being able to easily steal a vehicle and kill somebody while high or joyriding.

If you have never heard of someone getting killed by some drunk and/or high and/or idiot teenager driving a stolen car, then you must be getting your news from other sources than I am.

As far as stats are concerned, I think I recall about 20 or so people were killed last year in Canada from situations I described above.

If it saves just one person's life, then to me, $32 per vehicle (cost estimated about 3 years ago) is worth it.

[zircon]

my 99 accord runs great and indeed is due for an upgrade. The new models are great and I am very temptated too. yet no plan to get one or even visit a dealer until the prices (MSRPs) come down to the U.S pricing range. the auto companies have done nothing but played the tricks to discourage Cdns to shop across the boarder. I feel sad that Canadians are being treated like second-class consumers by these auto makers.

on the other hand, since we're used to higher prices, the cash price for the new accord seems attractive to many Cdns even it is 10 to 15 percent higher than that in the U.S. A RFDer got his new accord in previous posts. As long as it makes senses to him/her, why not?

Cool. I had a 99 Accord sedan stick, and, as you say, it was very fun to drive. I have a 04 tsx stick right now. I will not go back to Honda until they demonstrate they are worthy of my $. We replaced my wife's crv with a US bought 07 Lexus hybrid Rx400h. It does better than crv in city - where she usually drives - though the crv would be better mpg on highway. Cost was only about 4K more than a loaded CRV (during summer, before rebates started), so I fell we did the right thing. Honda BLOWS!

[davehender]

I got my details wrong again. The deadline for comment submissions to Transport Canada is December 31, 2007 not December 27, 2007.

I was not a popular person around the house when I wrote that post on Boxing Day morning, as everyone was waiting impatiently for me to go outside with them. I got it done in a big hurry. One thing I've found from all this is that crow starts to taste alright if you eat it often enough... :o



If you agree with the letter below, then please send it to Matthew Coons at TC. The deadline for submissions is TOMORROW (December 27, 2007), so it must be done now. If you agree with the text then please feel free to copy, add or remove what you like, put your name and address on it, and fire it off. You may have to reformat the spacing etc. a bit. Matthew Coons' email address is COONSM@tc.gc.ca

Many thanks to MDBUFFY for the inspiration, and to Robert Lamb & Serge Bergeron of www.carswithoutborders.com, from whom I took the initial copy of this letter.




December 26, 2007



Matthew Coons
Senior Regulatory Development Engineer,
Road Safety and Motor Vehicle Regulation
Directorate,
Transport Canada,
330 Sparks Street, 8th Floor, Ottawa,
Ontario, K1A 0N5
COONSM@tc.gc.ca



Dear Sir,

Re: Notice requesting comments on the intention to amend section 215, "Bumpers," of the Motor Vehicle Safety Regulations


I am writing to strongly support harmonizing the Canadian bumper regulations with those of the United States. Based on my review of the documentation provided in the Canada Gazette Vol 141, No. 41 dated October 13, 2007 I would like to emphasize the following points:

No Apparent Safety Benefit - Based on the commentary provided I see no specific safety benefit to justify Transport Canada’s enforcement of unique bumper regulations. As noted in the Canada Gazette commentary, even Transport Canada itself has been unable to justify why the Canadian bumper standard should continue to be more stringent than those of the United States or other countries (i.e. UNECE).

Additional Costs to Vehicle Importers – I have noted, using the current VAFUS list, that certain importers have been able to restrict the importation of certain models of US vehicles into Canada as a result of the stricter Canadian bumper standards. Numerous automobile manufacturers have declared their U.S. vehicles to be either “inadmissible” into Canada or to be in requirement of upgrades to meet Canadian bumper standards, while Canadian consumers presently pay significant premiums to purchase nearly identical models in Canada; in fact, Canadian Driver estimated that in 2006 the typical Canadian vehicle was $5,842 (17 percent) more expensive in Canada than in the United States. Taking into account recent nominal Canadian price discounts and token incentives (albeit with some greater incentives amongst low-demand vehicles that are hit harder by the Canadian market slowdown), this difference is likely greater now given the significant rise in Canadian dollar's value relative to that of the U.S. dollar. Like consumers, insurers likely also want the prices of vehicles to drop in Canada to reduce their loss exposure. Lower car prices in Canada should also lead to lower insurance premiums for Canadian consumers.

When Canadians are able to purchase American vehicles under NAFTA in response to inflated Canadian prices, then Canadian automobile prices will ultimately fall; free competition will not occur, however, if there are unique regulations in Canada that result in manufacturers charging more for their vehicles on either legitimate of illegitimate grounds. Auto manufacturers presently use the bumper standard to discourage importation of their vehicles into Canada, by charging significant amounts to have bumpers upgraded to meet Canadian standards. Where bumpers can be upgraded to meet Canadian standards, many manufacturers require they be upgraded at a Canadian dealer's facility. For manufacturers using the newly-contrived "Official Admissibility Letter" this dealer-completed upgrade is a condition for the purchaser to be able to buy a letter from them. Cost of the dealer-completed bumper upgrade is significant and in my opinion greatly exceeds the actual "time and materials" costs involved; in addition to this, consumers must pay up to $500 to purchase their admissibility letter after the work has been done! The issue of Daytime Running Lights (DRLs) is another matter where manufacturers charge significant amounts for their installation. In some cases DRL installation cost is charged regardless of whether Daytime Running Lights have already been installed and enabled by the vehicle's American seller.

I believe BMW and Mercedes corporations’ requirement that Canadians get a separate letter of admissibility is both unwarranted and completely inappropriate. That this happens with the participation of Transport Canada gives me deep concern that corporate manipulation has taken place in levels of government that are supposed to exist to represent Canadians, and which by definition are supposed to be accountable to Canadian voters only. If these special circumstances are left unchecked, I believe that all manufacturers will begin expressing a “need” for manufacturer-specific admissibility letters, which will again result in significant additional costs for Canadians to bear for no other reason than to increase corporate profits.

In conclusion, I strongly encourage Transport Canada to harmonize Canadian bumper regulations with the U.S. or, failing that, to formally demonstrate to Canadians why a unique Canadian regulation is required. I also request that Transport Canada properly investigate and substantiate the “needs” of certain manufacturers that now require Canadians to purchase admissibility letters when importing American vehicles. Finally, I ask Transport Canada to question why it continues to provide government resources and bureaucratic authority to automakers, which are blatantly using those public resources to dictate protectionist policies that harm all Canadians.


Regards,

[inspire]

What do you think of the new Accords? They both look much better then the previous generation(s), especially the coupe. Put a diesel (2.2L) and HIDs in it, drop the price to 30K loaded, and even I might return to this company.
Why not wait for the TSX replacement? There will be a "Type-S" version with a turbo diesel from the RDX. Probably cost ~US$30k. Then again ... it's a "4 door" and not shaped like a coupe. But rumour has it, there will be a coupe version to the TSX to replace the CL ... (but who knows what Honda's strategy is since they have been so misguided since the demise of the NSX ...)

EDIT: didn't read your post above (re: you currently own a TSX) ... nevermind. Honda doesn't blow ... their corporate policy blocking sales to Canadians from US dealership does blow, however ...

[zircon]

Why not wait for the TSX replacement? There will be a "Type-S" version with a turbo diesel from the RDX. Probably cost ~US$30k. Then again ... it's a "4 door" and not shaped like a coupe. But rumour has it, there will be a coupe version to the TSX to replace the CL ... (but who knows what Honda's strategy is since they have been so misguided since the demise of the NSX ...)

EDIT: didn't read your post above (re: you currently own a TSX) ... nevermind. Honda doesn't blow ... their corporate policy blocking sales to Canadians from US dealership does blow, however ...

Inspire...where did you get the info on the new tsx? I will check it out at the Detroit auto show in 2 weeks, but I haven't seen any info. on its engine(s) yet. I am not convinced by the styling pics I have seen, either. If they put a diesel in the RDX they may be able to save that sad sack of shi-. They butchered the original design with the marketed thing, then put in a gas-sucking engine, then topped it all off by pricing it in the stratosphere in Canada. What a bunch of clowns. Again, I will not buy ANY Honda product in Canada until they treat people respectfully. Go to their web site and try and find the cash discount on their products. Not present. They are - like GM - scamming the public, hoping I'll go in an drop 39K plus tax for a lowly CRV. In any event, I have already banked 30K US and will buy there when the diesels arrive from Audi, Infiniti, Subaru, or whomever. Was considering the G35X, but its fuel economy in city is terrible (~12-17mpg premium). IBID Legacy GT limited. Too bad, as dealers in the states will part with them for 37K and 30K, respectively, loaded. Also, I should have been more specific: Honda products are excellent, it is the crackhead execs I don't like.

[johnsa]

I got my details wrong again. The deadline for comment submissions to Transport Canada is December 31, 2007 not December 27, 2007.

I was not a popular person around the house when I wrote that post on Boxing Day morning, as everyone was waiting impatiently for me to go outside with them. I got it done in a big hurry. One thing I've found from all this is that crow starts to taste alright if you eat it often enough... :o

I just sent him an email to the same effect.....this would really make it easier for many Canadians to import certain models....

[Shojin]

It really gets annoying when everyone just throws around insults. DRL ARE HIGHBEAMS AT A LOWER VOLTAGE. So who is the ******???

They use the highbeams so that you are not running the low beam bulbs and therefore your lights last longer.

Not all vehicles use the highbeam filament at half-power for DRLs. Some use the lowbeams at half power (02 Nissan Pathfinder for example).

[nornet]

I am going down to NY to pickup a car that is prepaid and registered in a third party's name. Will I run into any difficulty acting as the registered owners agent at the US or Canadian border? I will be paying the GST.

[cinqhoda]

My beef is that we have to have a "Special" immobilizer, instead of using whatever the Americans have.

We don't need the "special" immobilizers anymore thanks to the Harper government. I don't think we ever did.

The immobilizers are exactly the same on both sides of the border. It was the manufacturers that made up the "non-compliance with CMVS 114" excuse, in order to put up yet another illegal trade barrier for the importer.

That said, I don't think the previous government (Liberals) intended the immobilizer issue to become the cluster**** it ultimately became. They looked at the OEM immobilizers that were available way back when, and thought it would be a good idea to make them standard.

[diigii]

Not all vehicles use the highbeam filament at half-power for DRLs. Some use the lowbeams at half power (02 Nissan Pathfinder for example).

You're inaccurate on the Pathfinder using the lowbeams for DRL. The Pathfinder uses the generic part# 9003 which is a single bulb with dual filaments for its low beam and high beams. The DRL feature uses the high beam filament at half their voltage to function as the DRL. It might look like the Pathfinder uses its low beam since you see the front end of the truck with just one headlight on each side. But in fact, the bulb has two filaments to perform a single function.

A good example of the low beams being used as DRLs is the 2003-2007 Toyota Matrix. The low beams are illuminated at about 75% of their full voltage to conserve them. Switching them to full power doesn't show much of a difference since they're almost fully on.

[RoadRunner]

I got my details wrong again. The deadline for comment submissions to Transport Canada is December 31, 2007 not December 27, 2007.

I was not a popular person around the house when I wrote that post on Boxing Day morning, as everyone was waiting impatiently for me to go outside with them. I got it done in a big hurry. One thing I've found from all this is that crow starts to taste alright if you eat it often enough... :o

Email sent.

[thebat88]

I imported,inspected and plated my car end of Nov. However, I still haven't received my compliance sticker from RIV or Transport Canada?

How does it take for you guys? Do you know who I can call to followup?

Thanks

[yyz2hkg]

I imported,inspected and plated my car end of Nov. However, I still haven't received my compliance sticker from RIV or Transport Canada?

How does it take for you guys? Do you know who I can call to followup?

Thanks

I had the same issue...call the RIV and they'll send you out another....

[glh123]

Has anyone found a US dealer with 'made in north america' new Rav4s? I'd like to avoid the duty but can't find a dealer...

Thanks in advance...
Glenn

[inkognito81]

Has anyone found a US dealer with 'made in north america' new Rav4s? I'd like to avoid the duty but can't find a dealer...

Thanks in advance...
Glenn

Um... As far as I can tell, Rav4s are manufactured in Japan, so there is no way to avoid paying duty.

[cinqhoda]

Has anyone found a US dealer with 'made in north america' new Rav4s? I'd like to avoid the duty but can't find a dealer...

Thanks in advance...
Glenn

The last I heard (12 - 18 months ago) was that Toyota will start manufacturing RAV4's at the new Woodstock, Ont. facility starting in the first half of 2008.

So, unless you have more recent info than I, you are probably looking at summer 2008 or spring at the earliest.

[dogdog]

Hello Everyone!

This post has been EXCELLENT and I have been following along ever since the debacle in OCT with the immobilizers has occurred. I am now about to purchase my vehicle of choice for import. My issue is this:

My method for importation is to buy the car in a border state and have both myself and my dad as co-owners, since he lives in California. That way, we buy the car with his california address as a destination and take the vehicle with the MSO and temporary dealer plates to Canada without ever registering it in the US. Can anyone see a problem with this? Can anyone see any issues with dual ownership in general? Has anyone tried this?

I've been reading this thread for about 500 posts, but I haven't heard of anyone doing this yet. Surely I can't be the first one to have thought of this.

Dogdog

[dreaderus]

The last I heard (12 - 18 months ago) was that Toyota will start manufacturing RAV4's at the new Woodstock, Ont. facility starting in the first half of 2008.

So, unless you have more recent info than I, you are probably looking at summer 2008 or spring at the earliest.

i do believe if the car is manufacturered in canada, then sent to the usa, you would still pay the duty for it to reenter canada.

someone correct me if i am wrong

Dreaderus

[RedMosquito]

i do believe if the car is manufacturered in canada, then sent to the usa, you would still pay the duty for it to reenter canada.

someone correct me if i am wrong

Dreaderus

you are wrong, you don't pay duty on cars manufactured in North America

[Tender]

you are wrong, you don't pay duty on cars manufactured in North America

+1. No duty on cars manufactured in North Anerica. That's what NAFTA is about.
Glad to see you here RedMosquito. Loved your posts in the Dell threads.

[scrolllock]

Please take a couple of minutes and review our audio message on How to buy a car in the U.S.

http://www.carswithoutborders.com/

Hoping 2008 is better!

Thanks.

[Metal_Driver]

Hi Guys!

I have successfully completed the importation of Acura MDX '07. I couldn't have done it without the help of many of you in here..Thank you!

I have run into this minor problem. I assumed that it would have DRL' installed since it's part of the specs. Big mistake. Only fog lights remain turned on. So now i have to find a way to get them working.

I haven't called a Acura dealer yet. I want to see if there is someone else who had that problem? Please advise ...

Thanks in advance..


I called an Ontario Acura dealership yesterday and the service rep told me that they charge 3 hours labour at 88 Cdn/hour to re-wire the system. The issue is that the hibeams are HID and if the system is not wired right (ie low voltage to these bulbs) you will quickly do in the HID bulbs which could get quite expensive. I am not an expert on these lighting systems but I tend to beleive the individual providing the info. For what its worth.

By the way, have you found a solution yet ?

[baboo]

I imported,inspected and plated my car end of Nov. However, I still haven't received my compliance sticker from RIV or Transport Canada?

How does it take for you guys? Do you know who I can call to followup?

Thanks

2 weeks after I did my Crappy Tire inspection...

call RIV...

[gregolds]

Hello Everyone!

This post has been EXCELLENT and I have been following along ever since the debacle in OCT with the immobilizers has occurred. I am now about to purchase my vehicle of choice for import. My issue is this:

My method for importation is to buy the car in a border state and have both myself and my dad as co-owners, since he lives in California. That way, we buy the car with his california address as a destination and take the vehicle with the MSO and temporary dealer plates to Canada without ever registering it in the US. Can anyone see a problem with this? Can anyone see any issues with dual ownership in general? Has anyone tried this?

I've been reading this thread for about 500 posts, but I haven't heard of anyone doing this yet. Surely I can't be the first one to have thought of this.

Dogdog
Why mess around with dual ownership. Just get your dad to buy it outright from a state other than California, then turn around and sell it to you. Best not to let the dealer know you intend to export to Canada.

[cinqhoda]

Hi Guys!

I have successfully completed the importation of Acura MDX '07. I couldn't have done it without the help of many of you in here..Thank you!

I have run into this minor problem. I assumed that it would have DRL' installed since it's part of the specs. Big mistake. Only fog lights remain turned on. So now i have to find a way to get them working.

I haven't called a Acura dealer yet. I want to see if there is someone else who had that problem? Please advise ...

Thanks in advance..

It sounds like your fog lights are being used as the DRL's on your MDX. I am pretty sure that this meets the Canadian DRL standards. I don't think there is anything that specifically states that DRL's have to be on the high or low beam lamps. Modifications should not have to be made.

Are you getting a 3rd party warranty? The RDX is on my short list of vehicles that I would like to import and I am having a difficult time finding a 3rd party warrantor.

[dogdog]

Why mess around with dual ownership. Just get your dad to buy it outright from a state other than California, then turn around and sell it to you. Best not to let the dealer know you intend to export to Canada.


What you suggest sounds simpler. However, how does one go about transferring ownership of an MSO on an as yet unregistered car? By not actually getting it registered, we can avoid local sales tax. I figured that if we can just get it imported under dual ownership, he can relinquish his title at a later time at his and my convenience.

[cinqhoda]

What you suggest sounds simpler. However, how does one go about transferring ownership of an MSO on an as yet unregistered car? By not actually getting it registered, we can avoid local sales tax. I figured that if we can just get it imported under dual ownership, he can relinquish his title at a later time at his and my convenience.

Just make sure the state in which you purchase the vehicle does not have a reciprocal tax agreement with California. If it does, my understanding is that they will collect the tax on California's behalf.

[davehender]

Might be a good time to stock up! I know the story is not from the Wall Street Journal, but it does look like they've got their ear to the ground (the story was originally posted on Canoe.ca).


http://www.nowpublic.com/environment/canada-6-gallon-washer-fluid-price-set-soar

[Sentinels]

Hi Guys, there is suppose to be a 1000 miles & 5000 miles complimentary Lexus maintenance, was wondering if Canadian Lexus Dealerships have to honor that for Lexus vehicles from the States?

I know they honor warranty just not sure about the complimentary maintenance? Thx in advance.

[davehender]

This new Cars Without Borders petition is to get government to address more than just the immobilizer issue, which as I'm sure you know was settled earlier in December. The CarsWithoutBorders website is very well publicized & also has the attention of government, so even if you already sent an email to Transport Canada re: supporting harmonization, this petition might be a good one to add your name to as well.


http://www.carswithoutborders.com/get-involved/join-the-petition/

[nornet]

Hello Everyone!

This post has been EXCELLENT and I have been following along ever since the debacle in OCT with the immobilizers has occurred. I am now about to purchase my vehicle of choice for import. My issue is this:

My method for importation is to buy the car in a border state and have both myself and my dad as co-owners, since he lives in California. That way, we buy the car with his california address as a destination and take the vehicle with the MSO and temporary dealer plates to Canada without ever registering it in the US. Can anyone see a problem with this? Can anyone see any issues with dual ownership in general? Has anyone tried this?

I've been reading this thread for about 500 posts, but I haven't heard of anyone doing this yet. Surely I can't be the first one to have thought of this.

Dogdog

In our case getting dual ownership on a US vehicle was not possible due to insurance regulations and we were both in Ontario. Contact a US dealer for the practicality of doing so.

[showMeAnImport]

Hi Guys, there is suppose to be a 1000 miles & 5000 miles complimentary Lexus maintenance, was wondering if Canadian Lexus Dealerships have to honor that for Lexus vehicles from the States?

I know they honor warranty just not sure about the complimentary maintenance? Thx in advance.

I don't know for 100% certain, but I would doubt it...Woopty doooo if they don't...you'll still be way ahead financially either way...

Cheers

[Marzipan]

This new Cars Without Borders petition is to get government to address more than just the immobilizer issue, which as I'm sure you know was settled earlier in December. The CarsWithoutBorders website is very well publicized & also has the attention of government, so even if you already sent an email to Transport Canada re: supporting harmonization, this petition might be a good one to add your name to as well.


http://www.carswithoutborders.com/get-involved/join-the-petition/

Sorry, this is one petition I won't sign - though I have lobbied TC twice and signed an earlier petition.

From the petition:


1. Many Companies have forbidden their dealerships from selling to Canadians .... I assume this should read Many companies have forbidden their USA dealerships from selling to Canadians. A petition should be accurately worded. More importantly, isn't the territorial restriction on sales a legitimate and desirable element of the distributors, franchise agreement?


2. In many cases the same car that is manufactured in Ontario is sold to Canadians at over $5,000. Poorly written.



3. Transport Canada and their managed wing the RIV also appear to be making it very difficult for Canadians to import Cars. I don't agree. TC's actions appear to me to be making it less difficult to import.


4. Individual Canadian Citizens deserve a Government that works for them, not against them, in bed with the the Manufacturers. I'll never sign up to that. It's not the way to get our changes.


If the petition is improved I will sign on, again.

[st7860]

Many Companies have forbidden their dealerships from selling to Canadians .... I assume this should read Many companies have forbidden their USA dealerships from selling to Canadians. A petition should be accurately worded. More importantly, isn't the territorial restriction on sales a legitimate and desirable element of the distributors, franchise agreement?

no

[Monsieurmaggot]

I was driving along the 401 (multi-lane highway in Ontario) the other day when a dump truck in front of me hits a bump on the road.

Wham! My new Subaru got nailed with a bunch of rocks directly on my windshield. One took a gouge about a quarter the size of a dime right on the drivers' side centre about six inches from the edge.

I feel like crying now...

I hope it doesn't spread as I hear the Subaru windshields are very expensive to replace (since they have heating coils I guess).

Providing it doesn't spread, anyone know if I should bother filling it or leave it alone?

[accorder]

I was driving along the 401 (multi-lane highway in Ontario) the other day when a dump truck in front of me hits a bump on the road.
....

Providing it doesn't spread, anyone know if I should bother filling it or leave it alone?

Sorry to hear that. Does your insurance cover such damage repairment?

[Danno2005]

I was driving along the 401 (multi-lane highway in Ontario) the other day when a dump truck in front of me hits a bump on the road.

Wham! My new Subaru got nailed with a bunch of rocks directly on my windshield. One took a gouge about a quarter the size of a dime right on the drivers' side centre about six inches from the edge.

I feel like crying now...

I hope it doesn't spread as I hear the Subaru windshields are very expensive to replace (since they have heating coils I guess).

Providing it doesn't spread, anyone know if I should bother filling it or leave it alone?


The dump truck company is liable for the damage. MTO does not look kindly on poor load restraint.
Did you manage to get a phone number or trucking company name?

Yes. Get it checked at Speedy or similar. You insurance should cover the repair without cost to you and without affexcting your insurance. Call your insurance to make sure.

[VladK]

I was driving along the 401 (multi-lane highway in Ontario) the other day when a dump truck in front of me hits a bump on the road.

Wham! My new Subaru got nailed with a bunch of rocks directly on my windshield. One took a gouge about a quarter the size of a dime right on the drivers' side centre about six inches from the edge.

I feel like crying now...

I hope it doesn't spread as I hear the Subaru windshields are very expensive to replace (since they have heating coils I guess).

Providing it doesn't spread, anyone know if I should bother filling it or leave it alone?


you should see if you can get it fixed at one of those windshield places...they have them at canadian tire and other places. It is going to spread if you leave it, see if you can fix it up.

[spatz]

Sorry but I disagree with the assertion that it is getting easier to import vehicles and I agree with the petition.

The immobilizer issue was a slam dunk and embarrassment to the Government. People are told it is ok to import a specific car and then have it held up at the border due to an arbitrary change of rules. The Conservatives had no choice but to rectify this or face a huge backlash. The bumper issue is also important but impacts very few models and for the most part those OEMs are now requiring letters of admissibility anyways which offsets any gains.

The new problem is with recall letters and letters of admissibility. On Jan 1 even more manufacturers will be requiring you to deal directly with the OEM for these items at a huge fee of course, despite the fact that since 1995 a letter from an authorized dealer was sufficient for any make and model that was admissible.

Why the change? Well I have been told by RIV it is because manufacturers are telling TC and the RIV that letters from dealerships are being forged and that the only way they can ensure that all recalls have been performed is to deal with the OEM directly. BS. Who is going to forge a letter that you can get for free? Is it any harder to forge a letter from an OEM if one is so inclined? Is it not likely that there will be more forgeries if the is now a hefty fee involved with getting the letter?

The issue of recall letters and letters of admissibility has the potential to impact EVERY vehicle new or used that is crossing the border.

[joe friday]

I was driving along the 401 (multi-lane highway in Ontario) the other day when a dump truck in front of me hits a bump on the road.

Wham! My new Subaru got nailed with a bunch of rocks directly on my windshield. One took a gouge about a quarter the size of a dime right on the drivers' side centre about six inches from the edge.

I feel like crying now...

I hope it doesn't spread as I hear the Subaru windshields are very expensive to replace (since they have heating coils I guess).

Providing it doesn't spread, anyone know if I should bother filling it or leave it alone?

The dump truck company is liable for the damage. MTO does not look kindly on poor load restraint.
Did you manage to get a phone number or trucking company name?

Yes. Get it checked at Speedy or similar. You insurance should cover the repair without cost to you and without affexcting your insurance. Call your insurance to make sure.

Be careful with this! I suggest that you check with your insurer. Some companies will treat a repair as a claim. It MAY not affect your rates (if this is your only windshield claim recently) but it will still be on your record. Should the repair fail, or your windshield takes another hit and needs replacing soon, you will probably see either a rate increase, deductible increase, or the dropping of your glass coverage entirely.

If the glass company suggests that a repair may work, you might want to consider paying for the repair yourself.

BTW, good luck getting the dump truck company to pay for it....but you probably know that already....

[joe friday]

Sorry but I disagree with the assertion that it is getting easier to import vehicles and I agree with the petition.

The immobilizer issue was a slam dunk and embarrassment to the Government. People are told it is ok to import a specific car and then have it held up at the border due to an arbitrary change of rules. The Conservatives had no choice but to rectify this or face a huge backlash. The bumper issue is also important but impacts very few models and for the most part those OEMs are now requiring letters of admissibility anyways which offsets any gains.

The new problem is with recall letters and letters of admissibility. On Jan 1 even more manufacturers will be requiring you to deal directly with the OEM for these items at a huge fee of course, despite the fact that since 1995 a letter from an authorized dealer was sufficient for any make and model that was admissible.

Why the change? Well I have been told by RIV it is because manufacturers are telling TC and the RIV that letters from dealerships are being forged and that the only way they can ensure that all recalls have been performed is to deal with the OEM directly. BS. Who is going to forge a letter that you can get for free? Is it any harder to forge a letter from an OEM if one is so inclined? Is it not likely that there will be more forgeries if the is now a hefty fee involved with getting the letter?

The issue of recall letters and letters of admissibility has the potential to impact EVERY vehicle new or used that is crossing the border.

+1 right on...

[novagolf]

you should see if you can get it fixed at one of those windshield places...they have them at canadian tire and other places. It is going to spread if you leave it, see if you can fix it up.

I have had to replace a number of Outback windshields and they are not much (if any) more expensive than other windows IMHO. What really gets me going is when the repair place tells me straight up there are two prices ... one when I pay it myself and one when I go through insurance. In one case when I put it through insurance (after confirming with my broker that it wouldn't have ANY effect on my rates - so depending on your situation that can be true) the price on the invoice I signed (to be sent to the insurance company) was about $850 when I was quoted around $250 if I paid it myself - ARRRRRRR we are paying for that in our rates!!!!!. It was a national glass repair company!!!

In a related note have you considered one of the do-it-yourself repair kits from Walmart (that is where I saw it)? I didn't know they existed but saw one yesterday ... with a tube and suction cup to "squeeze" the filler into the crack. I have no idea how it works and just throw it out as an option ... I would have tried it myself if I had know it existed back in the summer when I repaired mine before safety inspection. The cost was only $12 or so.

[gregolds]

What you suggest sounds simpler. However, how does one go about transferring ownership of an MSO on an as yet unregistered car? By not actually getting it registered, we can avoid local sales tax. I figured that if we can just get it imported under dual ownership, he can relinquish his title at a later time at his and my convenience.

A manufacturers statement of origin [MSO] can only be transferred from dealer to a retail purchaser of a new vehicle, or from dealer to dealer. Your father would be the exporter of record from the US and you would be the importer on the Canadian side. Did this for my new Honda Ridgeline purchased in Illinois by a friend from Minnesota. He had to send a copy of his drivers license to prove he had an American address. As noted in a post a page or so back be carefull of states who have agreements to collect each others state tax on vehicles.

[Matty]

Providing it doesn't spread, anyone know if I should bother filling it or leave it alone?


Someone said "I suggest that you check with your insurer", but boy oh boy, I feel obliged to let you know that your insurer has the right to raise your rates, solely based on an inquiry about damage, even if you do not even hint at making a claim. This means that you really have to think long and hard about whether you want to ask them!

While I'm posting, let me say thank you so much for all you've done, MM. I haven't taken the plunge yet -- I'm considering a 2006+ Pilot, 2008+ Highlander, or 2007+ Santa Fe from the US to replace my 2001 Mercedes ML -- but your initiative is what has made me decide that I'll definitely be importing from the US.

[dreaderus]

Someone said "I suggest that you check with your insurer", but boy oh boy, I feel obliged to let you know that your insurer has the right to raise your rates, solely based on an inquiry about damage, even if you do not even hint at making a claim. This means that you really have to think long and hard about whether you want to ask them!

While I'm posting, let me say thank you so much for all you've done, MM. I haven't taken the plunge yet -- I'm considering a 2006+ Pilot, 2008+ Highlander, or 2007+ Santa Fe from the US to replace my 2001 Mercedes ML -- but your initiative is what has made me decide that I'll definitely be importing from the US.

um i dont get this, why would they raise the rates based on an inquiry

[shopper-X]

Someone said "I suggest that you check with your insurer", but boy oh boy, I feel obliged to let you know that your insurer has the right to raise your rates, solely based on an inquiry about damage, even if you do not even hint at making a claim. This means that you really have to think long and hard about whether you want to ask them!

While I'm posting, let me say thank you so much for all you've done, MM. I haven't taken the plunge yet -- I'm considering a 2006+ Pilot, 2008+ Highlander, or 2007+ Santa Fe from the US to replace my 2001 Mercedes ML -- but your initiative is what has made me decide that I'll definitely be importing from the US.

um i dont get this, why would they raise the rates based on an inquiry

Making an inquiry will not raise rates unless you deal with a greedy insurance broker/agent.

When I was with State Farm and made a claim they called me back and said it would be cheaper not claim the damages and pay for it myself. My dedutable was $300 and damages where around $375.

What happened was my car was broken in to and they stole was a defective keyboard...I know, idiots. The only real damage was the front passenger window. I called the police to report the break-in and they advised me to call the insurance company because they had to send a copy of the report so they would find out anyways. I did and my State Farm agent started the claim process and then called me back and said just to pay it.

My rates never changed and that was the second break-in on the car in two different cities. Both time they got nothing because nothing of value is ever kept in the car.

[giasone]

You can buy any car in the Detroit area, the dealer simply purchases the car from the manufacturer registers it to themselves and then resells it to you. This was proposed to me by a dealer that I do not wish to name. Let's just say it is a Japanese brand, not Suburu. The car is warrantied by both the dealer and in Canada. Simply put there are alot of Canadian buying almost any brand in the States but it is being done on the quiet, the dealers are just finding creative ways to get the sale. In desperate times you will will find ways to make the sale. The only down side is that you have to pay the 6% Michigan sales tax. They told me that you can claim that back, I am not sure if this is true, anyone know anything about claiming back the Michigan Sales tax??

[cavuu]

Someone said "I suggest that you check with your insurer", but boy oh boy, I feel obliged to let you know that your insurer has the right to raise your rates, solely based on an inquiry about damage, even if you do not even hint at making a claim. This means that you really have to think long and hard about whether you want to ask them!

This will apply if you are attempting to pay an 'at fault' accident claim yourself rather than go through the insurance. The insurance company looks upon this as an accident that you caused and they consider you a higher risk, even if you pay the claim yourself. This does not apply to a comprehensive claim that you want to pay yourself.

[Marzipan]

The only down side is that you have to pay the 6% Michigan sales tax. They told me that you can claim that back, I am not sure if this is true, anyone know anything about claiming back the Michigan Sales tax??

Ask the dealer for the form (or link to the form) for claiming back the sales tax. He should know since he is in the business.

[Monsieurmaggot]

This will apply if you are attempting to pay an 'at fault' accident claim yourself rather than go through the insurance. The insurance company looks upon this as an accident that you caused and they consider you a higher risk, even if you pay the claim yourself. This does not apply to a comprehensive claim that you want to pay yourself.


Thanks for everyone's comments about my windshield. Sadly I wasn't able to see the license plate of the truck that was dropping all the stones as it was full of road grime. All I noticed was that it was a private firm with what appeared to be a very simply door emblem. The truck was a early 90s Ford.

While it annoyed me I didn't think to contact the company but it makes sense that these guys are accountable for the crap that falls off their trucks (particularly when they're driving on the 400 series highways)

I am inclined to wait and see what happens to my windshield before I attempt to call my insurer. I'm not too thrilled about the prospect of replacing a complete windshield for the sake of a pit in the glass. As long as it doesn't start to spread, I'll be happy to have it patched in the spring.

[Monsieurmaggot]

The only down side is that you have to pay the 6% Michigan sales tax. They told me that you can claim that back, I am not sure if this is true, anyone know anything about claiming back the Michigan Sales tax??


As a Canadian, you cannot claim a sales tax rebate on vehicle purchases in Michigan.

As I have posted earlier on, there is a specific paragraph in the Michigan treasury that indicates and specifically states "Michigan sales tax is payable on vehicles sold in Michigan and destined to Canada".

If you search for my name and "Michigan" you will find it.

[dreaderus]

hi guys i called the Canadian border agency and he said that i should stop into the canadian border on the way down and advise them of the money i am bringing into the usa (via bank draft) for some form they will fill out.

does anyone know why this is necessary? if its a extra stop to do for precaution im fine with it but i havent heard of people having to do this on amounts over 10k (just declare it at the US border)

cheers

Dreaderus

[giasone]

Monsieurmaggot.

Thanks for the info about Michigan Sales tax.

How about in Ohio, can it be claimed back there?

Thanks.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Here's the link to Michigan's Treasury Department documents and specifically Section 8-4.10 that indicates that sales tax is payable by anyone intending to export a Michigan state-purchased vehicle to Canada. Remember like New Jersey, Michigan is on the verge of economic collapse.

http://www.michigan.gov/documents/sos/Dealer_Manual_Chapter_8_186065_7.pdf

Some people claims that the paragraph indicates that "if you take delivery" in Michigan, sales tax is due. However if you buy a car in Michigan and have it "delivered" outside of Michigan, no sales tax is due. I've heard some people had their new vehicles towed to the border to avoid paying sales tax in Michigan.


In Ohio, it appears Canadian purchasers are exempt in paying sales tax.

http://bmv.ohio.gov/title/title_directives/2006/Purchases%20of%20Motor%20Vehicles%20by%20Nonreside nts%20of%20Ohio.pdf

Both are links to .pdf files so you will need Foxit (1.5 Mb, free program) or the resource-hog Acrobat Reader (60+ Mb) to read the files.

[zircon]

As a Canadian, you cannot claim a sales tax rebate on vehicle purchases in Michigan.

As I have posted earlier on, there is a specific paragraph in the Michigan treasury that indicates and specifically states "Michigan sales tax is payable on vehicles sold in Michigan and destined to Canada".

If you search for my name and "Michigan" you will find it.

Lots of dealers in MI will sell to Canadians and take the car to the border for you so you do not pay MI sales tax. I personally met with Infiniti salespeople re this. If you take possession in MI, you pay the tax. If you take possession in the Customs office, you are ok.

[EL820]

As a Canadian, you cannot claim a sales tax rebate on vehicle purchases in Michigan.

As I have posted earlier on, there is a specific paragraph in the Michigan treasury that indicates and specifically states "Michigan sales tax is payable on vehicles sold in Michigan and destined to Canada".

If you search for my name and "Michigan" you will find it.

Does the dealer collect this tax? Can the US Custom collect this at the border, forcing you to pay up before stamping the MSO?

The Bill of Sales from the dealer does not state the 6% tax. The sales rep told me he doesn't have to collect it. I just don't want a $2000 surprises at the US Custom when I try to brind the vehicle over.

Thanks

[zircon]

Does the dealer collect this tax? Can the US Custom collect this at the border, forcing you to pay up before stamping the MSO?

The Bill of Sales from the dealer does not state the 6% tax. The sales rep told me he doesn't have to collect it. I just don't want a $2000 surprises at the US Custom when I try to brind the vehicle over.

Thanks

It is just like Canada. If tax is applicable, they collect it when the car is purchased. The check at US Customs is only to determine if the car is stolen or has outstanding liens. Good luck.

[juggmon]

Hey, guys, I've got another question to ask (might be silly, but I'll ask anyways)....Is there any regulations barring importing new cars into Canada. I've had a few co-workers in the last few days telling me stories that they heard on the news on T.V. stating that there was such a rule and it was made in response to people importing 6 or more cars at a time, re-selling at a higher value in Canada and avoiding paying taxes on the resulting income. Anyone hear anything about that? Or know for sure that this story is B.S?

[stephenstay]

Yes you can. I did. There is some paperwork ... of course ... but the dealer should be able to provide you with everything including submitting it for you. Actually, you're really not claiming it back ... I signed paperwork which allowed my purchase to be exempt.

Monsieurmaggot.

Thanks for the info about Michigan Sales tax.

How about in Ohio, can it be claimed back there?

Thanks.

[giasone]

Monsieurmaggot. - Thanks for the info on Ohio much appreciated! You're a really nice guy and I just want to add like others have that you started this thread is much appreciated. - Thanks again.



Zircon - Thanks for that reply, the problem I have now is convincing the Toyota dealer of this in Michigan, they are convinced that the sales tax must be paid, any idea how I convince him otherwise. Also when you say meet at the border, where exactly do you mean? At the Detroit border or at the Windsor border, since there is no neutral area to meet, it is either USA or Canada.

[bluemule999]

um i dont get this, why would they raise the rates based on an inquiry

This is true. My friend called his insurance about a break-in. He decided to not make a claim, but the call was recorded on his file and treated like he made the claim. His rates went up. Do not call the insurance company unless you plan to actually make a claim.

[zircon]

Monsieurmaggot. - Thanks for the info on Ohio much appreciated! You're a really nice guy and I just want to add like others have that you started this thread is much appreciated. - Thanks again.



Zircon - Thanks for that reply, the problem I have now is convincing the Toyota dealer of this in Michigan, they are convinced that the sales tax must be paid, any idea how I convince him otherwise. Also when you say meet at the border, where exactly do you mean? At the Detroit border or at the Windsor border, since there is no neutral area to meet, it is either USA or Canada.

Now I see what your problem is. the Toyota dealer can only sell new vehicles to those who have residency in the USA. If you show him documentation that the car is being purchased by a MI resident, he will be obliged to charge state sales tax. So, even if your friend/relative sells to you immediately, sales tax is due on the initial sale (with the dealer). Only if the vehicle is sold directly to you and exported by the dealer can you evade sales tax. You cannot do this, as far as I can tell, because as soon the dealer knows you're Canadian and will export, he can't sell to you.

Happy New years all. I hope all of this nonsense gets settled in the new year, so that none of us has to perform these gymnastics to drive nice vehicles at reasonable cost. Cheers

[giasone]

Zircon.

The dealer knows that i am Canadian and he has sold to other Canadians, what he does is buy the Car himself and then registers it to the dealership and then re-sells it to me. Which makes me think if the dealer purchases it, does he have to pay the 6% when he makes the purchase, this I don't know. This is how the dealers are getting around the 'you must not sell to Canadians' strategy of the manufacturers.

This is one dealer I tried, dealers in Michigan are desperate to sell because business is so bad down here so they will do whatever it takes to get the sale. I may need to try some more.

[dynamiteroll]

Hey, guys, I've got another question to ask (might be silly, but I'll ask anyways)....Is there any regulations barring importing new cars into Canada. I've had a few co-workers in the last few days telling me stories that they heard on the news on T.V. stating that there was such a rule and it was made in response to people importing 6 or more cars at a time, re-selling at a higher value in Canada and avoiding paying taxes on the resulting income. Anyone hear anything about that? Or know for sure that this story is B.S?

I don't have a definitive answer as it relates to cars but the Customs people do track your history of imports (not just cars....everything). If they suspect you are importing for the purpose of profit and not personal use, they can call you on it and deny further importations of the same class item.

[baz5]

hi guys i called the Canadian border agency and he said that i should stop into the canadian border on the way down and advise them of the money i am bringing into the usa (via bank draft) for some form they will fill out.

does anyone know why this is necessary? if its a extra stop to do for precaution im fine with it but i havent heard of people having to do this on amounts over 10k (just declare it at the US border)

cheers

Dreaderus

I believe it has to do with terrorism crap. They want to see how it's being paid and what exactly it is going to. On customs form I think there is a quesiton about it. I said I didn't. Then the agent at the airport asked me what I was doing, and I told him, and said I had a bank draft, he just looked at it quickly and I was on my way. If you are driving I wouldn't even bother saying anything. If they find it just say you didn't know.

Hey, guys, I've got another question to ask (might be silly, but I'll ask anyways)....Is there any regulations barring importing new cars into Canada. I've had a few co-workers in the last few days telling me stories that they heard on the news on T.V. stating that there was such a rule and it was made in response to people importing 6 or more cars at a time, re-selling at a higher value in Canada and avoiding paying taxes on the resulting income. Anyone hear anything about that? Or know for sure that this story is B.S?

In MB you can only buy and sell 4 cars a year without a dealer license.

[baz5]

Ummm...OK... If you really used the website above to import a vehicle, then, good for you. I hope it went smoothly because in step 7, the RIV office is in Toronto, not Ottawa. It's a step by step guide yes, but there's missing information as in telephone numbers/where to cross, etc... and very basic in form...just my 2 cents though.

2 posts, and second one is for a website, even though all the information and more is right here in this post... go figure. Why join here then?
lol

[CaptSmethwick]

I have had to replace a number of Outback windshields and they are not much (if any) more expensive than other windows IMHO. What really gets me going is when the repair place tells me straight up there are two prices ... one when I pay it myself and one when I go through insurance. In one case when I put it through insurance (after confirming with my broker that it wouldn't have ANY effect on my rates - so depending on your situation that can be true) the price on the invoice I signed (to be sent to the insurance company) was about $850 when I was quoted around $250 if I paid it myself - ARRRRRRR we are paying for that in our rates!!!!!. It was a national glass repair company!!!

In a related note have you considered one of the do-it-yourself repair kits from Walmart (that is where I saw it)? I didn't know they existed but saw one yesterday ... with a tube and suction cup to "squeeze" the filler into the crack. I have no idea how it works and just throw it out as an option ... I would have tried it myself if I had know it existed back in the summer when I repaired mine before safety inspection. The cost was only $12 or so.

I think many of us here have lived through this. One glass company from which I got 2 wildly different quotes claimed that the approvals and paperwork required by insurers was timeconsuming and significantly more complicated than a cash transaction with a costumer. In addition, they often had to wait several weeks to receive payment from insurers. Finally, they felt less pressure to be competitive when dealing with insurers whereas when dealing with customers themselves they try to keep their prices aligned with the typical deductibles out there.

All made perfect sense to me... :rolleyes:

[bababui]

Just pulled a trigger on a new Rogue, getting it from Michigen (Ann Arbor Automotive). Picking it up on Thursday at the Ambassador Bridge crossing, I will take Greyhound bus from To. Hope I can get off on US Customs side, where my dealer will be waiting with the car. All this to avoid state tax of 6% in Michigen... So far dealing with this dealership has been a breeze, their internet sales guy (Robert Oliver) has been very helpful and has invested time to learn everything that is needed to sell to a Canadian for export. Still haven't decided on bank draft or wire transfer, should I be weary of wire transfer before seeing the vehicle live? How much will I save, don't even ask:D
If anyone had similar experiences picking the vehicle up at Windsor - Detroit crossing please let me know how it went, I will post my experience on Friday.

Thanks to all of you for all the good info and fight for TC immobilizer rule change.

[giasone]

Congratulations on the purchase of your new Nissan. Did you have any unexpected hickups, also would you mind telling us how much you ended up paying and how much money you saved.

[sLAsh]

I think the 10 K ruling has more to do with drugs than terrorism. I believe they brought that law into effect while they were fighting the "war on illicit drugs". Now they have moved on to fighting terrorism. I guess that means they won the war on drugs ;)

[zircon]

Just pulled a trigger on a new Rogue, getting it from Michigen (Ann Arbor Automotive). Picking it up on Thursday at the Ambassador Bridge crossing, I will take Greyhound bus from To. Hope I can get off on US Customs side, where my dealer will be waiting with the car. All this to avoid state tax of 6% in Michigen... So far dealing with this dealership has been a breeze, their internet sales guy (Robert Oliver) has been very helpful and has invested time to learn everything that is needed to sell to a Canadian for export. Still haven't decided on bank draft or wire transfer, should I be weary of wire transfer before seeing the vehicle live? How much will I save, don't even ask:D
If anyone had similar experiences picking the vehicle up at Windsor - Detroit crossing please let me know how it went, I will post my experience on Friday.

Thanks to all of you for all the good info and fight for TC immobilizer rule change.

I think the Greyhound bus will stop in downtown Windsor, then go to downtown Detroit. You will be about 2-3 miles from the Customs office on Fort. Take a cab. It is right under the bridge. Probably best to approach from east (i.e. the cab will come this way from the bus station). When you pass under the bridge going west on Fort, watch for the fenced compound with buildings on your right. Amazing price diff in Rogue loaded, in USA and Canada. I think it is one of the biggest differentials.

[webthrasher]

Just pulled a trigger on a new Rogue, getting it from Michigen (Ann Arbor Automotive). Picking it up on Thursday at the Ambassador Bridge crossing, I will take Greyhound bus from To. Hope I can get off on US Customs side, where my dealer will be waiting with the car. All this to avoid state tax of 6% in Michigen... So far dealing with this dealership has been a breeze, their internet sales guy (Robert Oliver) has been very helpful and has invested time to learn everything that is needed to sell to a Canadian for export. Still haven't decided on bank draft or wire transfer, should I be weary of wire transfer before seeing the vehicle live? How much will I save, don't even ask:D
If anyone had similar experiences picking the vehicle up at Windsor - Detroit crossing please let me know how it went, I will post my experience on Friday.

Thanks to all of you for all the good info and fight for TC immobilizer rule change.

How are you going to handle the warranty? I thought Nissan's need to be at least 6 months old before the warranty kicks in...

[joe friday]

This is true. My friend called his insurance about a break-in. He decided to not make a claim, but the call was recorded on his file and treated like he made the claim. His rates went up. Do not call the insurance company unless you plan to actually make a claim.

I don't really want to keep taking this thread OT but as another poster said, this really depends on the nature of the inquiry (ie: having had a break in or caused an accident as opposed to a simple windshield damage)...AND how greedy your insurer is. Personally, if I had an insurance company that treated an inquiry such as this as a claim, I would dump them in a heartbeat.

Partly it depends on the relationship you have with your agent/broker as well, and you're making it clear when you call them that you are only inquiring or looking for clarification of your policy coverage...they don't even need to know that you've actually had any damage done! And NEVER call the claims centre to make such an inquiry...you know, the toll free 24 hr a day number they give you...only call your agent/broker.

Another poster said that they had a repair or replacement done (I don't recall which) and were told by their insurer that it wouldn't affect their rates and it didn't. There is a misconception here that a lot of people seem to have. It may not affect your rates right then...particularly if it is a first claim, or a first claim in a number of years...BUT IT WILL STILL BE ON YOUR RECORD AS A CLAIM and will definitely affect your rates and/or coverage if you have another claim before that one drops off of your record. Insurance companies, as most of us know, are not in the business of giving freebies!

[inspire]

All this to avoid state tax of 6% in Michigen... So far dealing with this dealership has been a breeze, their internet sales guy (Robert Oliver) has been very helpful and has invested time to learn everything that is needed to sell to a Canadian for export. Still haven't decided on bank draft or wire transfer, should I be weary of wire transfer before seeing the vehicle live? How much will I save, don't even ask:D
If anyone had similar experiences picking the vehicle up at Windsor - Detroit crossing please let me know how it went, I will post my experience on Friday.

The guy got you the car and you don't have to pay the 6% sales tax? That's great! Now ... I would suggest bank draft since there are less associated fees than wire transfer. Thing is, you have to carry the cash with you and declare it when you cross the border (>$10,000 has to be declared ... it was originally to prevent drug money laundering but now terrorism is the word du jour). And yes, the bank draft also is your trump card if the deal ends up being fishy...

You're going to arrive at the new bus terminal in downtown Windsor if you're taking the Greyhound. I don't know if the Tunnel Bus stops there or the old terminal. You'll have to ask. The 'old' terminal is about 2 blocks away (~10 min walk). Bring exact change ($2.75 each way as per http://www.citywindsor.ca/001244.asp). Bring your cell with you so you can tell the salesguy where to pick you up on the Detroit side. Right by the Renaissance Center is probably the 'easiest'...

When you are ready to bring your car over via the Ambassador Bridge, be weary since there's a lot of construction going on there. It's in a shady neighbourhood (right by Mexicantown), so hopefully you will be travelling during daylight hours. If you have a GPS, bring it with you! (Or did you get a Rogue with navi?)

Sorry I can't be more help.

[tanstudio]

Is anyone having experience importing Lexus car from US to Toronto? I had try my best to read the thread as much as possible to search the info. However, I need the information as quick as possible because I have to make the decision of purchasing a new car very soon(like in a week)... any suggestions about where to buy and what's good & bad when importing a Lexus car from US?

[EL820]

It looks like I'll be picking up my vehicle this Thursday. I'll be taking the Greyhound down to Detroit or Windsor, and drive back with my new vehicle.

I would like to get there as early as possible, so it'll leave me ample time for the other errants when I get back to Toronto. The earliest bus arrives in Detroit at about 6:10am, or I can get off at Windsor at about 5:35am.

Which would you prefer?

Walk ~1km (5:35am) from the Windsor terminal to Casino Windsor?

OR

Walk about 0.5km (6:10am) from the Detroit terminal to the MGM Grand Casino?

I believe Detroit surpassed St. Louis to take top honours for having the highest crime rate.

[hotgo]

I posted this in the Motor Vehicles & Accessories forum, but thought I would x-post the question here too. http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=535677

I have a Citibank Driver's Edge Mastercard with some $$$ in reward dollars. I am planning to buy a US vehicle. According to Citibank, a US car purchase does not qualify for me to get my $$$ (and it really IS my $$$ as it's just a % of what I spent on the card).

Anyone know of any workarounds? Even if they are slightly "shady"?

Thanks!

[michelb]

I posted this in the Motor Vehicles & Accessories forum, but thought I would x-post the question here too. http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=535677

I have a Citibank Driver's Edge Mastercard with some $$$ in reward dollars. I am planning to buy a US vehicle. According to Citibank, a US car purchase does not qualify for me to get my $$$ (and it really IS my $$$ as it's just a % of what I spent on the card).

Anyone know of any workarounds? Even if they are slightly "shady"?

Thanks!

I'd have a look at the specific 'terms and conditions' agreement but looking at the information on their website (http://www.citibank.com/canada/cards/english/rewards_01.jsp, http://www.citibank.com/canada/cards/english/pdf/de_redemption.pdf and https://www2.citibank.com/canada/cards/applications/pdf/de_terms.pdf), there's nothing that stipulates that the car needs to be bought in Canada.

Good luck

[hotgo]

I'd have a look at the specific 'terms and conditions' agreement but looking at the information on their website (http://www.citibank.com/canada/cards/english/rewards_01.jsp, http://www.citibank.com/canada/cards/english/pdf/de_redemption.pdf and https://www2.citibank.com/canada/cards/applications/pdf/de_terms.pdf), there's nothing that stipulates that the car needs to be bought in Canada.

Good luck

Thanks, but in the http://www.citicards.ca/canada/cards/english/rewards_01.jsp instructions it mentions:
"You can use your Driver's Edge cash rebates toward any new or used car, van, light truck, motorcycle, sport utility vehicle, motorhome or ATV you purchase or lease in Canada."

That's the only place I saw this reference though. I called them in Dec. and they also repeated the "Must buy in Canada" statement.

[BlackRanger3d]

I hope this isn't too off topic.

Does anyone have any info on fleetrates.com. I am thinking of leasing a Rx350 from them.

If I don't get it from them I will get one off lease up here in Ontario.

[zzricezz]

I would also like to know how to get around this as well. Kinda stupid if you ask me that they are limiting us, unless they are getting some type of kickback from the Canadian manufacturers.

Thanks, but in the http://www.citicards.ca/canada/cards/english/rewards_01.jsp instructions it mentions:
"You can use your Driver's Edge cash rebates toward any new or used car, van, light truck, motorcycle, sport utility vehicle, motorhome or ATV you purchase or lease in Canada."

That's the only place I saw this reference though. I called them in Dec. and they also repeated the "Must buy in Canada" statement.

[inspire]

I would like to get there as early as possible, so it'll leave me ample time for the other errants when I get back to Toronto. The earliest bus arrives in Detroit at about 6:10am, or I can get off at Windsor at about 5:35am.

Which would you prefer?

Walk ~1km (5:35am) from the Windsor terminal to Casino Windsor?

OR

Walk about 0.5km (6:10am) from the Detroit terminal to the MGM Grand Casino?

I would be very afraid to walk from the Detroit Bus terminal to MGM Grand. You are far better off taking a cab if you're in that neck of the woods, regardless of what time of the day it is. Plus, it's going to be really cold this week (at least, forecasted), so that's another reason NOT to walk.

If I was given a choice, I'd take the Windsor option. Although it's about a 1km walk, the new bus terminal in Windsor to Casino Windsor is a very safe walk. From the bus terminal, walk north (yes, Windsor is SOUTH of Detroit) toward the water. You'll hit Riverside Dr and then make a right (east). Follow the road until you find the casino ... you can't miss the gaudy lights.

PS How are you going to get from the Casino to the Detroit dealership? Secondly, did the dealer fax the title / bill of sale to US Customs already? You need 72 hrs notice before bringing the car back to Canada ... in case you didn't know that already ...

[rockwell66]

I would also like to know how to get around this as well. Kinda stupid if you ask me that they are limiting us, unless they are getting some type of kickback from the Canadian manufacturers.

+1

[Dire]

I'm looking to purchase a Toyota Camry from down south and bring it into alberta. I tried to contact the dealer in Great Falls but they won't sell across border. Just wondering if anyone has successfully imported a toyota lately and if anyone has a list of dealers I would greatly appreciate it

[michelb]

Thanks, but in the http://www.citicards.ca/canada/cards/english/rewards_01.jsp instructions it mentions:
"You can use your Driver's Edge cash rebates toward any new or used car, van, light truck, motorcycle, sport utility vehicle, motorhome or ATV you purchase or lease in Canada."

That's the only place I saw this reference though. I called them in Dec. and they also repeated the "Must buy in Canada" statement.

Oops - not sure how I missed that (note to self : must read more carefully in the future)...

Looking at the rebate form, I'd probably submit it even if I did buy from the US (especially if you buy privately). You just need proof of insurance and a bill of sale (if it's private, you can probably just make your own bill of sale using vendor's name but Canadian address or something).

[charge]

Looking at the rebate form, I'd probably submit it even if I did buy from the US (especially if you buy privately). You just need proof of insurance and a bill of sale (if it's private, you can probably just make your own bill of sale using vendor's name but Canadian address or something).

Exactly, if it applies to private sales... then once the car is in Canada, just sell it to yourself. ;)

[Bincent]

I have a Citibank Driver's Edge Mastercard with some $$$ in reward dollars. I am planning to buy a US vehicle. According to Citibank, a US car purchase does not qualify for me to get my $$$ (and it really IS my $$$ as it's just a % of what I spent on the card).

Keep in mind that:
1) Credit card companies give you probably one of the worst exchange rates when you are purchasing in the US.
2) Credit card companies charge an extra 2.5% on average as a conversion service charge (different cards have different rates, but 2.5% is about the average). I posted something about this a while back.. http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=360317

So if you're mainly doing it to get reward dollars, you're probably losing more than you'd be making back.


Your best option is to find someone that you trust that works in a bank. Bank employee's don't get charged a service charge to exchange money and get a pretty reasonable exchange rate when converting money.

This is what I did to convert my money for my Subaru Tribeca:
1) I took a bank draft in Canadian dollars and made it out to my cousin. Bank draft was made out to a little bit more just as a buffer for currency fluctuations.

You can choose to write them a cheque, but there may be a hold on the cheque for a few days and you'll have to wait until it clears. Bank draft is quick and painless.

2) My cousin took the Bank Draft and deposited it into their account.

3) Cousin confirmed the money was in their account and then requested to have a Bank Draft in the amount of $XX,XXX US $'s to be made out to the Dealership.

4) Cousin obtained a receipt of the transaction. Provided me with the Bank Draft, receipt and a cheque with the remaining amount that wasn't used in the transaction.

5) Bought my cousin a nice Christmas present for saving me 2.5%+ on converting over $30,000 for me. :cheesygri

[Marzipan]

Thanks, but in the http://www.citicards.ca/canada/cards/english/rewards_01.jsp instructions it mentions:
"You can use your Driver's Edge cash rebates toward any new or used car, van, light truck, motorcycle, sport utility vehicle, motorhome or ATV you purchase or lease in Canada."

That's the only place I saw this reference though. I called them in Dec. and they also repeated the "Must buy in Canada" statement.

Why don't all you people with that funny Driver's Edge card get together and work it out.

From above it reads any new or used car ... you purchase or lease in Canada. Well what if Card Holder A imports Card Holder B's vehicle then sells it to him in Canada .... and vice versa. Just read the cardholder agreement very carefully and between you perhaps share the cost of a legal opinion.

But the key is to work together starting with this site's private mail.

[michelb]

Why don't all you people with that funny Driver's Edge card get together and work it out.

From above it reads any new or used car ... you purchase or lease in Canada. Well what if Card Holder A imports Card Holder B's vehicle then sells it to him in Canada .... and vice versa. Just read the cardholder agreement very carefully and between you perhaps share the cost of a legal opinion.

But the key is to work together starting with this site's private mail.

This is a good idea as long as you confirm you won't get double-taxes. I asked my local MoT when I imported our RV last year if I could re-sell it before registering it and avoid paying PST (was thinking of flipping it and buying a newer one) and they couldn't give me an answer (ended up keeping it anyway so don't have an answer). In theory, if cardholder A resells to cardholder B it will work fine (although cardholder B will pay PST on RedBookValue in Canada since this is now a private sale in Canada) as long as the government doesn't insist that cardholder A registers and pays PST before he can resell.

[Prof]

I just posted a response to a rebate question in another thread. I had a discussion with Citibank, over a two week period, about the rebate issue. I have around $1800 in account and didn't want to be forced to buy where it would be more expensive. At the beginning the position was "in Canada" only. However, by the end, the customer service supervisor stated that the policy had just changed and that US purchases were now eligible. We copied down the instructions but they are essentially as stated on the user agreement. So in the end, it should work out fine. Note that the change occurred in December so the effect may not have reached the online info as yet.

[michelb]

Does anybody know the impact of Volvo's change of policy - up until Dec31st 2007 all their vehicles were admissible (except for S/V40 which required bumper mods). As of Jan 1st 2008, they've gone Mercedes' and BMW's way of requiring going through them to import.

I tried calling but after about 10 minutes on hold got tired of waiting.

[fredsmith]

Keep in mind that:
1) Credit card companies give you probably one of the worst exchange rates when you are purchasing in the US.
2) Credit card companies charge an extra 2.5% on average as a conversion service charge (different cards have different rates, but 2.5% is about the average). I posted something about this a while back.. http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=360317

So if you're mainly doing it to get reward dollars, you're probably losing more than you'd be making back.


Your best option is to find someone that you trust that works in a bank. Bank employee's don't get charged a service charge to exchange money and get a pretty reasonable exchange rate when converting money.

This is what I did to convert my money for my Subaru Tribeca:
1) I took a bank draft in Canadian dollars and made it out to my cousin. Bank draft was made out to a little bit more just as a buffer for currency fluctuations.

You can choose to write them a cheque, but there may be a hold on the cheque for a few days and you'll have to wait until it clears. Bank draft is quick and painless.

2) My cousin took the Bank Draft and deposited it into their account.

3) Cousin confirmed the money was in their account and then requested to have a Bank Draft in the amount of $XX,XXX US $'s to be made out to the Dealership.

4) Cousin obtained a receipt of the transaction. Provided me with the Bank Draft, receipt and a cheque with the remaining amount that wasn't used in the transaction.

5) Bought my cousin a nice Christmas present for saving me 2.5%+ on converting over $30,000 for me. :cheesygri
A couple of points . . . .

If you somehow think that paying for a car with a credit card (no matter whether there is a rebate program and/or conversion charge or not) makes any sense, think again . . . You will be able to negotiate a better price for cash than when paying with a card - mind you if you are paying MSRP then THAT won't make any difference. However, if you ARE paying MSRP then shame on you.

If you MUST pay full retail, then feel free to stick them for the card - but be prepared to pay the piper on conversion rates.

Also keep in mind that banks charge a percent or three for exchanging money too.

Best bet is to convert at a currency exchange store - those guys work on thinner margins than banks do - shop around and get quotes. www.xe.xom is another place to convert funds.



Then ne

[michelb]

I think a few of the recent posters didn't understand the original dilemma.

The submitter wasn't planning on using his CC to buy the car (I don't even think any dealership will let you do that if you don't agree to pay the CC fees (approx 2-3%)).

The Citibank Driver's Edge gives you 2% cash back credit to apply to the purchase of a new or used car (i.e. if you spend alot with your credit card buying stuff other than a car, you can get up to $2500/$5000 back if you buy a car (that doesn't need to be with CC)) (kind of like collecting AirMiles but for car purchases rather than trips). They want to know if it's possible to get this cash back from a US purchase (Citybank's info page says the car must be bought in Canada) although 'prof' says that they've recently changed / agreed to accept US imports as well.

[Bincent]

I think a few of the recent posters didn't understand the original dilemma.

The submitter wasn't planning on using his CC to buy the car (I don't even think any dealership will let you do that if you don't agree to pay the CC fees (approx 2-3%)).

The Citibank Driver's Edge gives you 2% cash back credit to apply to the purchase of a new or used car (i.e. if you spend alot with your credit card buying stuff other than a car, you can get up to $2500/$5000 back if you buy a car (that doesn't need to be with CC)) (kind of like collecting AirMiles but for car purchases rather than trips). They want to know if it's possible to get this cash back from a US purchase (Citybank's info page says the car must be bought in Canada) although 'prof' says that they've recently changed / agreed to accept US imports as well.


Ahh... that makes sense then.... thanks for the clarification :cheesygri

[PainAndDelight]

I just noticed that that the RIV list changed to now allow many of the previously banned cars due to the immobilizer issue. I didn't notice this before... maybe it happened over Christmas? Or am I missing something?

[EL820]

I would be very afraid to walk from the Detroit Bus terminal to MGM Grand. You are far better off taking a cab if you're in that neck of the woods, regardless of what time of the day it is. Plus, it's going to be really cold this week (at least, forecasted), so that's another reason NOT to walk.

If I was given a choice, I'd take the Windsor option. Although it's about a 1km walk, the new bus terminal in Windsor to Casino Windsor is a very safe walk. From the bus terminal, walk north (yes, Windsor is SOUTH of Detroit) toward the water. You'll hit Riverside Dr and then make a right (east). Follow the road until you find the casino ... you can't miss the gaudy lights.

PS How are you going to get from the Casino to the Detroit dealership? Secondly, did the dealer fax the title / bill of sale to US Customs already? You need 72 hrs notice before bringing the car back to Canada ... in case you didn't know that already ...


MSO has already been faxed to US Customs...it was done this past Friday or Saturday.

If I get off in Windsor, I can take the Tunnel shuttle from the Windsor Casino across the border during the day when there are more traffic on the road. I can arrange for the dealer to pick me up somewhere convenient.

Another member PM'd me and informed me that by 6am, there are quick a bit of traffic on the road already so I think I should be fine. If not, I guess I'll take a cab over to the MGM.

I check Greyhound...it's odd that it cost more for the trip from Toronto to Windsor than to Detroit..$66 compared to $57.

[michelb]

I just noticed that that the RIV list changed to now allow many of the previously banned cars due to the immobilizer issue. I didn't notice this before... maybe it happened over Christmas? Or am I missing something?

The current PDF says 'revised 2007/12/24'.

[leafsrule06]

I just got off the phone....woohoo....$1,000 coming back soon!


I think a few of the recent posters didn't understand the original dilemma.

The submitter wasn't planning on using his CC to buy the car (I don't even think any dealership will let you do that if you don't agree to pay the CC fees (approx 2-3%)).

The Citibank Driver's Edge gives you 2% cash back credit to apply to the purchase of a new or used car (i.e. if you spend alot with your credit card buying stuff other than a car, you can get up to $2500/$5000 back if you buy a car (that doesn't need to be with CC)) (kind of like collecting AirMiles but for car purchases rather than trips). They want to know if it's possible to get this cash back from a US purchase (Citybank's info page says the car must be bought in Canada) although 'prof' says that they've recently changed / agreed to accept US imports as well.

[michelb]

I just got off the phone....woohoo....$1,000 coming back soon!

That's awesome. Makes me think I should change my CC (I think we've got about 25k AirMiles that I have no idea when I'll ever use (since I just end up buying all-inclusive packages or discount seats)).

[hotgo]

I just got off the phone....woohoo....$1,000 coming back soon!

Excellent! I was worried I would have to resort to some sort of shady selling the car to myself or some such thing to claim my $1500. New Subaru is incoming soon and when I talked to Citibank in early/mid December they kept saying that US purchases were not eligible.

[Rossland]

I'm looking to purchase a Toyota Camry from down south and bring it into alberta. I tried to contact the dealer in Great Falls but they won't sell across border. Just wondering if anyone has successfully imported a toyota lately and if anyone has a list of dealers I would greatly appreciate it

I don't think that you will find a dealer that will sell you a new one. The mfgs forbid cross border sales of new vehicles. But you can buy a good used car, even if it was a demo, so long as it was previously licensed in the US

[2ride4life]

I ran across this list the other day, give it a try you never know.

http://gethuman.com/

Plus for the rest of you, the list includes other car manufacturers and not just Volvo

Does anybody know the impact of Volvo's change of policy - up until Dec31st 2007 all their vehicles were admissible (except for S/V40 which required bumper mods). As of Jan 1st 2008, they've gone Mercedes' and BMW's way of requiring going through them to import.

I tried calling but after about 10 minutes on hold got tired of waiting.

[vim]

Note: Originally I planned to buy Honda Odyssey, but because of no warranty policy, bye bye Honda, most likely forever for my family.

Finally I have a new Toyota Sienna 2008 XLE minivan in my garage. Here is my story. It is quite long, so please ignore details that are not interesting to you. I just want to make sure that people that try and maybe failed at first, knows that they should consider trying again.

Attempt 1: In beginning of October attempted to import Toyota Sienna 2008 LE from dealership in Dover , Delaware (LE Pckg2, alloy wheels, DRL, 26113$US). I had some small problems during all import process. Company would not give me bank info for wire transfer, so I send them bank draft. My insurance company (TD General Insurance) totally refused to insure my new car during transfer from US. I switched insurance companies (now through broker, AXA insurance). I bought plain tickets, then because of dealership mistake I had to change date (100$ penalty fee), then finally I was told that they received a letter from Toyota US and they cannot sell car to me. They send me back check for a full amount. By the way, dealer got letter after somebody posted their name here, maybe that is coincidence, maybe not! I felt very bad after this attempt. Dealer told me to get lawyer if I want to recover my expenses. Lawyer told me they most likely will win, but I’ll spend more on paying them. BBB were useless as after dealer replied that they had their own expenses, BBB marked my inquiry as resolved.

Attempt2: At last days of October I negotiated with broker to import the same car (LE). I paid down-payment. Price – around 31000CA$ + tax. In the middle of November company refunded me my downpayment and told me they cannot do import because of immobilizer.

Attemp3: First days of December I got a dealership name from one another buyer (many many thanks to you to answering my e-mails and talking to me over the phone). Dealership found in the region car build before September 1st and I put down-payment on the car (Toyota Sienna XLE pckg1 + fog lamps). After few days dealership found that this car was used as demo, so deal fell through. As at that time it was already Dec 11th, we decided to wait till Dec 15th announcement regarding immobilizer). Dealership ordered car for me that was build in October 2007 and had no problems keeping it till things get clearer her in Canada .

Attempt 4 (Finally success) :
I decided to buy Toyota Sienna XLE 2008 with pckg 1(leather, heated seats, 3 zone climate control, shades, power back door) + fog lamps+DLR+carpet mats.

On December 22nd I found that there is a new list for admissible cars. Called in dealership, got VIN, bill of purchase and wired them money. Dealers asked me if I can pickup car before New Year, to help them with sales number. So I did.

December 26th got fax with Certificate of Title from them, send this fax to Lewiston at 11:50am . Bought a one way ticket (almost 800$) for December 30th. Dealer confirmed they received money.
December 28th requested my insurance broker to add new car to my insurance. Send them bill of sale and few hours latter got fax confirming coverage.
December 30th – flight to pickup my car. At airport showed US customs officer wire copy and bill of sale and they had no problems at all. This dealer do let you pickup cars on Sunday! Dealer offered at first to meet me at airport, but last minute called me and told me to take a cab and they will pay for it, as they are very busy as this is end of the year! They met me at dealership and paid for a cab. I landed at airport at 3:00pm , I was at dealership at 3:30pm . Signed few papers, got few small gifts with dealership attributes, refused to go through instructions on how to use car and left dealership at 4:00pm . Quick talk to manager showed that they have not received any letters from Toyota US forbidding them sale to Canadians and they had quite a few sales recently to Canadians.
Was driving that night till 2:00am , stayed at motel (65$) and then wakeup at 6:00am and more driving. I had to drive slower than posted limit as I wanted to break-in car gently. At 9:30 I was at Lewiston customs. No lineup at US side, was asked when I faxed title, custom officer opened folder with that days faxes and got my copy. I got a stamp on Title in about 1min. Went to Canadian side, filled up Form 1, paid GST and air tax and left Canadian customs at 10:00am . Custom officer commented that if I waited 1 day, GST would be just 5%, but I wanted to be at home for New Years Eve.
I did not have Recall clearance letter, so no stop at RIV office. At 11:50am I was at home.
Paid RIV online and called them. They told me that online payments might take 1 business day to process and to receive my info from customs might take 2 business days. Note: altough there is a fax number on riv website, they give you different fax numer to fax Form1 and different to fax Recall Clearence Letter! I am still dealing with RIV, and I will still have inspection latter.

Savings – Canadians dealers don’t have exact trim, so it is hard to calculate exactly.
But closest Canadian configuration: Toyota Sienna 2008 LE + Value Package. Difference between Canadian version and mine:
Canadian car has extra mudguards (72$ value) and net in the truck.
My US car has extra: 6CD changer, 3 zone climate control (!), dashboard wood imitation, chrome accents. Q: Anyone has an idea how much these extras are worth? Just approx figure? I put a price tag on differences to be 1000$ so I can do better comparison.

Canadian car price:
MSRP: 39295
PDI: 1400
Rebate:-1500
Negotiate: -1000
Air-100
Admin fee: 300
Total before tax: 38495
Tax 13%: 5004$ (already reduced here at Canada before January)
Total: 43600$ (rounded)

US Price:
Car: 28500US$ = 29000CA$ (based on my exchange dates, now would be cheaper, probably 1000$ or more cheaper!)
GST and air tax:1780$
PST:2230$
RIV : 207$
Money Wire fee: 60$
Trip: 1100$(flight was 770$, but I added price of airplane ticket from unsuccessfull first import attempt)
+52$(limo to airport)+65$(hotel)+20$(food)+100$(gas)+15$(tolls)
Total price: 34600$

So difference: 9000$ + extras I got on my XLE trim. I am guessing that if I’ll say that my extras are worth 1000$, I can assume that my savings are about 10000$ (!!!!!!!!!!) That is from a single transaction on and average family minivan. And “industry experts” where saying that average savings is just few hundred $.
I have to sell now my old car Honda Civic 99LX, auto, ABS with 63000km. Normally I would have done trade-in, but now I’ll do private sale and probably I’ll have even more savings because of that! So my total savings will be well over 10k!!!!!! That is insane for a single purchase transaction! Just think how long it takes you to save 10000$. That is not to earn, but to save 10000$. Most of us would have to earn extra 16000$, pay on that amount 6000$ income tax to save 10000$.

Now I have to say that I was quite a bit worrying (even paranoid) through all this. After my first deal fell through, I was really afraid that last minute my new dealer will get a letter from Toyota US. I did not even get Recall Clearence Letter before car pickup, as I was afraid that Toyota can use VIN to track dealers that sells to Canadians. I did not worry at all at customs – worst case I would have left car somewhere in Niagara Falls and would do import at the latter day.

So I have a dealer who is willing to sell to Canadians. I will gladly share details if person who PMs me has reasonable history of posts here. The more of success stories, the better! Sorry, but I will not reply to anyone without good history of posts!

Quick Tips:
1. Prepare for purchase and do this fast. Things change quickly and dealers might get a note of no export any day. The faster you do everything, better chance you get. Know if you will have problems with insurance. Be ready to pay a bit more for ticket, or arrange flight from Buffalo .

2. If you know computers, get a fax account at myfax.com. I got 1-888 number and for about 12$/month all faxes will be forwarded to your –email. But you might need scanner for you to send faxes. After 1 months you call in and cancel account with no problems!

3. GPS for drive home was very very helpful.

4. As you want to break-in vehicle, you will dirve slower, so add extra time to your GPS or mapquest estimated travel times.

And finally, I wanted to thank all of you who started this thread and contributed to it. Seeing many of you doing imports made me realize that is not very complicated at all. And especially thanks to Frances for sharing Toyota dealers name! Actually hardest part was to find a Toyota dealer – after that all the papers at customs and RIV are so not complicated at all.

Thanks all again and Happy New Year!

[Monsieurmaggot]

Excellent news.

I constantly get emails from people who are importing many of supposed "prohibited to sell" cars. Motivated US Dealers are pretty creative in ways to sell a car.

I've heard some have offered to buy cars from their other divisions for a small fee and then flip them to the Canadian consumer.

Arguably the Canadian dealers will be just a creative in thinking of ways to block the sales.

[t_garp]

I hope this isn't too off topic.

Does anyone have any info on fleetrates.com. I am thinking of leasing a Rx350 from them.

If I don't get it from them I will get one off lease up here in Ontario.

I know of people who bought from Fleetrates, but I don't believe you can lease a US car through them.

I you are able to, please report here as I know that the Cash up front is what is stopping many Canadians from enjoying the savings...

[real_term]

Note: Originally I planned to buy Honda Odyssey, but because of no warranty policy, bye bye Honda, most likely forever for my family.

Finally I have a new Toyota Sienna 2008 XLE minivan in my garage. Here is my story. It is quite long, so please ignore details that are not interesting to you. I just want to make sure that people that try and maybe failed at first, knows that they should consider trying again.

Attempt 1: In beginning of October attempted to import Toyota Sienna 2008 LE from dealership in Dover , Delaware (LE Pckg2, alloy wheels, DRL, 26113$US). I had some small problems during all import process. Company would not give me bank info for wire transfer, so I send them bank draft. My insurance company (TD General Insurance) totally refused to insure my new car during transfer from US. I switched insurance companies (now through broker, AXA insurance). I bought plain tickets, then because of dealership mistake I had to change date (100$ penalty fee), then finally I was told that they received a letter from Toyota US and they cannot sell car to me. They send me back check for a full amount. By the way, dealer got letter after somebody posted their name here, maybe that is coincidence, maybe not! I felt very bad after this attempt. Dealer told me to get lawyer if I want to recover my expenses. Lawyer told me they most likely will win, but I’ll spend more on paying them. BBB were useless as after dealer replied that they had their own expenses, BBB marked my inquiry as resolved.

Attempt2: At last days of October I negotiated with broker to import the same car (LE). I paid down-payment. Price – around 31000CA$ + tax. In the middle of November company refunded me my downpayment and told me they cannot do import because of immobilizer.

Attemp3: First days of December I got a dealership name from one another buyer (many many thanks to you to answering my e-mails and talking to me over the phone). Dealership found in the region car build before September 1st and I put down-payment on the car (Toyota Sienna XLE pckg1 + fog lamps). After few days dealership found that this car was used as demo, so deal fell through. As at that time it was already Dec 11th, we decided to wait till Dec 15th announcement regarding immobilizer). Dealership ordered car for me that was build in October 2007 and had no problems keeping it till things get clearer her in Canada .

Attempt 4 (Finally success) :
I decided to buy Toyota Sienna XLE 2008 with pckg 1(leather, heated seats, 3 zone climate control, shades, power back door) + fog lamps+DLR+carpet mats.

On December 22nd I found that there is a new list for admissible cars. Called in dealership, got VIN, bill of purchase and wired them money. Dealers asked me if I can pickup car before New Year, to help them with sales number. So I did.

December 26th got fax with Certificate of Title from them, send this fax to Lewiston at 11:50am . Bought a one way ticket (almost 800$) for December 30th. Dealer confirmed they received money.
December 28th requested my insurance broker to add new car to my insurance. Send them bill of sale and few hours latter got fax confirming coverage.
December 30th – flight to pickup my car. At airport showed US customs officer wire copy and bill of sale and they had no problems at all. This dealer do let you pickup cars on Sunday! Dealer offered at first to meet me at airport, but last minute called me and told me to take a cab and they will pay for it, as they are very busy as this is end of the year! They met me at dealership and paid for a cab. I landed at airport at 3:00pm , I was at dealership at 3:30pm . Signed few papers, got few small gifts with dealership attributes, refused to go through instructions on how to use car and left dealership at 4:00pm . Quick talk to manager showed that they have not received any letters from Toyota US forbidding them sale to Canadians and they had quite a few sales recently to Canadians.
Was driving that night till 2:00am , stayed at motel (65$) and then wakeup at 6:00am and more driving. I had to drive slower than posted limit as I wanted to break-in car gently. At 9:30 I was at Lewiston customs. No lineup at US side, was asked when I faxed title, custom officer opened folder with that days faxes and got my copy. I got a stamp on Title in about 1min. Went to Canadian side, filled up Form 1, paid GST and air tax and left Canadian customs at 10:00am . Custom officer commented that if I waited 1 day, GST would be just 5%, but I wanted to be at home for New Years Eve.
I did not have Recall clearance letter, so no stop at RIV office. At 11:50am I was at home.
Paid RIV online and called them. They told me that online payments might take 1 business day to process and to receive my info from customs might take 2 business days. Note: altough there is a fax number on riv website, they give you different fax numer to fax Form1 and different to fax Recall Clearence Letter! I am still dealing with RIV, and I will still have inspection latter.

Savings – Canadians dealers don’t have exact trim, so it is hard to calculate exactly.
But closest Canadian configuration: Toyota Sienna 2008 LE + Value Package. Difference between Canadian version and mine:
Canadian car has extra mudguards (72$ value) and net in the truck.
My US car has extra: 6CD changer, 3 zone climate control (!), dashboard wood imitation, chrome accents. Q: Anyone has an idea how much these extras are worth? Just approx figure? I put a price tag on differences to be 1000$ so I can do better comparison.

Canadian car price:
MSRP: 39295
PDI: 1400
Rebate:-1500
Negotiate: -1000
Air-100
Admin fee: 300
Total before tax: 38495
Tax 13%: 5004$ (already reduced here at Canada before January)
Total: 43600$ (rounded)

US Price:
Car: 28500US$ = 29000CA$ (based on my exchange dates, now would be cheaper, probably 1000$ or more cheaper!)
GST and air tax:1780$
PST:2230$
RIV : 207$
Money Wire fee: 60$
Trip: 1100$(flight was 770$, but I added price of airplane ticket from unsuccessfull first import attempt)
+52$(limo to airport)+65$(hotel)+20$(food)+100$(gas)+15$(tolls)
Total price: 34600$

So difference: 9000$ + extras I got on my XLE trim. I am guessing that if I’ll say that my extras are worth 1000$, I can assume that my savings are about 10000$ (!!!!!!!!!!) That is from a single transaction on and average family minivan. And “industry experts” where saying that average savings is just few hundred $.
I have to sell now my old car Honda Civic 99LX, auto, ABS with 63000km. Normally I would have done trade-in, but now I’ll do private sale and probably I’ll have even more savings because of that! So my total savings will be well over 10k!!!!!! That is insane for a single purchase transaction! Just think how long it takes you to save 10000$. That is not to earn, but to save 10000$. Most of us would have to earn extra 16000$, pay on that amount 6000$ income tax to save 10000$.

Now I have to say that I was quite a bit worrying (even paranoid) through all this. After my first deal fell through, I was really afraid that last minute my new dealer will get a letter from Toyota US. I did not even get Recall Clearence Letter before car pickup, as I was afraid that Toyota can use VIN to track dealers that sells to Canadians. I did not worry at all at customs – worst case I would have left car somewhere in Niagara Falls and would do import at the latter day.

So I have a dealer who is willing to sell to Canadians. I will gladly share details if person who PMs me has reasonable history of posts here. The more of success stories, the better! Sorry, but I will not reply to anyone without good history of posts!

Quick Tips:
1. Prepare for purchase and do this fast. Things change quickly and dealers might get a note of no export any day. The faster you do everything, better chance you get. Know if you will have problems with insurance. Be ready to pay a bit more for ticket, or arrange flight from Buffalo .

2. If you know computers, get a fax account at myfax.com. I got 1-888 number and for about 12$/month all faxes will be forwarded to your –email. But you might need scanner for you to send faxes. After 1 months you call in and cancel account with no problems!

3. GPS for drive home was very very helpful.

4. As you want to break-in vehicle, you will dirve slower, so add extra time to your GPS or mapquest estimated travel times.

And finally, I wanted to thank all of you who started this thread and contributed to it. Seeing many of you doing imports made me realize that is not very complicated at all. And especially thanks to Frances for sharing Toyota dealers name! Actually hardest part was to find a Toyota dealer – after that all the papers at customs and RIV are so not complicated at all.

Thanks all again and Happy New Year!

Thanks for sharing your experience. Is the dealer able to provide you with the recall clearance letter? I am in the market for a Sienna too but having a hard time finding a dealer south of Alberta.

[vim]

Thanks for sharing your experience. Is the dealer able to provide you with the recall clearance letter? I am in the market for a Sienna too but having a hard time finding a dealer south of Alberta.

To get recall clearence letter you just have to call yourself to Toyota US and request one. I got fax about 5min after the call. Toyota gives letter for free and have no problems giving letter. Dealer gave me printout of screen, but that is not enough.

[xcel]

I bought a used 04 Accord.

1. CT is asking $175 to install DRL. Does anyone knows any cheaper place in Mississauga/GTA?

2. I want to ship this car to Buffalo. Any recommendations/experience with shippers?

[siennaLe2008]

To get recall clearence letter you just have to call yourself to Toyota US and request one. I got fax about 5min after the call. Toyota gives letter for free and have no problems giving letter. Dealer gave me printout of screen, but that is not enough.

I suggest that you be extra careful about giving out this toyota dealership name because sooner or later it will be shut down. I know that other dealerships in the same area they all received Toyota USA letter forbid to sell to Canadian. Just careful that is all.

[st7860]

To get recall clearence letter you just have to call yourself to Toyota US and request one. I got fax about 5min after the call. Toyota gives letter for free and have no problems giving letter. Dealer gave me printout of screen, but that is not enough.

which dealer was it?

[bababui]

Well I guess I have started celebrating too early:mad:
As I was getting ready to wire the outstanding balance in, I got a call from sales manager at Ann Arbor stating that they cannot sell me the vehicle without charging the state tax. I explained that delivery was to be made at US Customs for that reason, but he would not listen, kept saying it cannot be done. I am stuck now, need to get my deposit back and start new with another dealership. Will let you know how that went, probably only after I have the car here in Toronto, don't want to jinx this one too.
Wish me luck


Just pulled a trigger on a new Rogue, getting it from Michigen (Ann Arbor Automotive). Picking it up on Thursday at the Ambassador Bridge crossing, I will take Greyhound bus from To. Hope I can get off on US Customs side, where my dealer will be waiting with the car. All this to avoid state tax of 6% in Michigen... So far dealing with this dealership has been a breeze, their internet sales guy (Robert Oliver) has been very helpful and has invested time to learn everything that is needed to sell to a Canadian for export. Still haven't decided on bank draft or wire transfer, should I be weary of wire transfer before seeing the vehicle live? How much will I save, don't even ask:D
If anyone had similar experiences picking the vehicle up at Windsor - Detroit crossing please let me know how it went, I will post my experience on Friday.

Thanks to all of you for all the good info and fight for TC immobilizer rule change.

[baboo]

Well I guess I have started celebrating too early:mad:
As I was getting ready to wire the outstanding balance in, I got a call from sales manager at Ann Arbor stating that they cannot sell me the vehicle without charging the state tax. I explained that delivery was to be made at US Customs for that reason, but he would not listen, kept saying it cannot be done. I am stuck now, need to get my deposit back and start new with another dealership. Will let you know how that went, probably only after I have the car here in Toronto, don't want to jinx this one too.
Wish me luck

Sorry to hear...good luck..and keep us updated...:)

[ygtgxi]

good luck bro

[zircon]

I just posted a response to a rebate question in another thread. I had a discussion with Citibank, over a two week period, about the rebate issue. I have around $1800 in account and didn't want to be forced to buy where it would be more expensive. At the beginning the position was "in Canada" only. However, by the end, the customer service supervisor stated that the policy had just changed and that US purchases were now eligible. We copied down the instructions but they are essentially as stated on the user agreement. So in the end, it should work out fine. Note that the change occurred in December so the effect may not have reached the online info as yet.

Hey prof, you are the man! I have about $1600 in Citibank (Ialso used it about 2 yrs ago and saved about 750 on a Miata here in Canada) and am intent on buying in the states. Do you have a name or reference, or can we assume they will not question the bill of sale when it is sent in?

Excellent news.

[longdong]

HI Vim,

So you didn't buy the car from my dealership right 8:) but anyway congratulation 8:) but just curious, can you share the dealer name with me ? i have somefriend want to buy car but they do not want to register in state (you know that the dealer that I deal with, I must register the car in state first)



To get recall clearence letter you just have to call yourself to Toyota US and request one. I got fax about 5min after the call. Toyota gives letter for free and have no problems giving letter. Dealer gave me printout of screen, but that is not enough.

[Rossland]

Well I guess I have started celebrating too early:mad:
As I was getting ready to wire the outstanding balance in, I got a call from sales manager at Ann Arbor stating that they cannot sell me the vehicle without charging the state tax. I explained that delivery was to be made at US Customs for that reason, but he would not listen, kept saying it cannot be done. I am stuck now, need to get my deposit back and start new with another dealership. Will let you know how that went, probably only after I have the car here in Toronto, don't want to jinx this one too.
Wish me luck

Talk to a dealer in New York State. I bought a used BMW in Buffalo in Oct. and did not have to pay state sales tax. The dealer put a New York transit permit on it. Cost $10. and good for 30 days. I picked up the car at the dealer and drove it home, and drove it around Ontario while I did RIV paperwork etc. My Ont. insurance would only cover it for 15 days before it had Ont. plates, but that was enough time. (It is much harder to import a BMW today)

[perfchris]

A friendly suggestion: DO NOT post dealer names here as there lurkers from Toyota Canada ! Only send info through PM to reliable posters ! Posters with 1-2 posts are potential lurkers that might shut that dealer from selling to Canadians !


HI Vim,

So you didn't buy the car from my dealership right 8:) but anyway congratulation 8:) but just curious, can you share the dealer name with me ? i have somefriend want to buy car but they do not want to register in state (you know that the dealer that I deal with, I must register the car in state first)

[vim]

A friendly suggestion: DO NOT post dealer names here as there lurkers from Toyota Canada ! Only send info through PM to reliable posters ! Posters with 1-2 posts are potential lurkers that might shut that dealer from selling to Canadians !

During my first attempt to import, dealers name was posted here and dealer got a letter from a Toyota US few days latter. So I know perfectly what you mean. So there is no way I'll post dealer name here.
I am trying to be reasonable and review post history of people that ask for a dealer name. I replied to ones that had reasonable history. I personally want many more success stories, as I was just like other buyers just a week ago and I know what they feel.

[st7860]

this toyota dealer sells to canadians

www.russbrowning.com

http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.ef18c13

[dreaderus]

id be kinda nervous buying from a dealer who would like to their own head office to sell to us, id rather it be on level during entire transaction anyways. I would be very concerned if there was other things they would do to make a sale.

if the head office is saying dont do it and the dealer does could there be repercussions that affect the buyer later on?

[vim]

id be kinda nervous buying from a dealer who would like to their own head office to sell to us, id rather it be on level during entire transaction anyways. I would be very concerned if there was other things they would do to make a sale.

if the head office is saying dont do it and the dealer does could there be repercussions that affect the buyer later on?


Dreaderus,

I agree if would be nice to follow all the rules. But rules say that you have to pay 10000$ for the same car here in Canada. And these are rules setup by big corporations. Yes there is a risk, and there is a possibility that transaction will be cancelled and you might have some expenses on your side because of that. But if you do not risk, you have to pay more.

But prices will fall. If people don't go to US and buy cars, there are many brokerage companies that will do that for you for 4-5k. So you can order car from them and pick it up here in Canada and save. These brokers would do all paper work - you pickup car that is with plates and licenced for you. So many people who don't want risk, can still save, but less of course. And if you look in autotrader, you'll find many many 1year old cars that are from US. These cars reduced canadian used car prices. 1year Canadian Sienna CE used to cost 28000k. That is 3-4k depreciation first year. Now you can buy 1 year old Sienna for 24000k. So if anyone bought Canadian Sienna, after they left dealership they lost not 3-4k as you would expect, but 6-8k.

[james-007]

I bought a used 04 Accord.

1. CT is asking $175 to install DRL. Does anyone knows any cheaper place in Mississauga/GTA?

2. I want to ship this car to Buffalo. Any recommendations/experience with shippers?

I just did it myself on my 2003 Toyota Tacoma. CT sells DRL modules for about $25 comes with easy to follow instructions. I had to hookup total of 4 wires under the hood. Half an hour later I was all done and working. The only thing with module is that DRL are at 100%. Other auto part retailers sell DRL modules that operate at 60-80% but in my case they would not work on my Toyota.

[03terminator]

I just did it myself on my 2003 Toyota Tacoma. CT sells DRL modules for about $25 comes with easy to follow instructions. I had to hookup total of 4 wires under the hood. Half an hour later I was all done and working. The only thing with module is that DRL are at 100%. Other auto part retailers sell DRL modules that operate at 60-80% but in my case they would not work on my Toyota.

I also used the CT $24.99 DRL module and fired up only the fog lights at 100% on my Mazda. Its a cheap option for anyone with DRL problems.

Cost $24.99 plus tax

Savings $12,000.00

Driving a US car in Canada at a huge discount PRICELESS:D

[dsds]

VIM, congratulations on successfully importing !!

Read through your entire letter. Great details.
I sure hope others aren't lazy and include your entire letter as a quote when replying.

May I recommend and remind everyone that you can email RIV your recall letter and form 1 (recall@riv.ca see recall page at riv.ca). I did this immediately after getting home from the border. They emailed me form 2 the very next day. I included form 1 with my recall letter since I assumed it would be faster than the border faxing form 1 when they get around to it.
More than a few on here have complained about RIV not receiving a fax or not being able to read a fax.

Also, you're lucky on the recall letter.
My salesman called Toyota USA to request it when I was closing my deal and they scared him silly. He was literally shaking and his eyes bulged out like on Total Recall movie and he hurried over to his manager. Good thing a more experienced saleswoman from internet sales was available. I dumped the worried salesman and never spoke to him again since he was now warning everyone in the dealership about what corporate told him about selling to Canadians. I was successful using a recall letter printed out from the dealer on company letterhead and "no outstanding recalls" signed by the service manager.

I recommend to everyone to talk to the dealers INTERNET SALES or FLEET SALES team and not your general floor salesperson.

Happy New Year!!

[dsds]

Driving a US car in Canada at a huge discount PRICELESS:D

Nicely stated !! Feels great to be part of the motivated minority. The only problem is finding others who still want to talk about importing. The Mrs. won't allow it around here anymore.

[aphextwin2050]

I bought a used 04 Accord.

1. CT is asking $175 to install DRL. Does anyone knows any cheaper place in Mississauga/GTA?

2. I want to ship this car to Buffalo. Any recommendations/experience with shippers?

For shipping you can try http://www.cascadevehicleshipping.com/

They shipped a car from texas to vancouver for me for 895$. Picked up on a Saturday and got it on Tuesday. It depends on the trucking company they found though.

The best place to look for shipping companies is www.transportreviews.com

[dreaderus]

diamond grey limited Tribeca now in the driveway.

the border issues were very smooth, the guy when i passed through Canadian customs looked at the car and immediately knew what i was doing lols. all people involved at the border seem to know exactly what they are doing.

most stress involved was leaving with plenty of time, but getting lost trying to find the right bridge to cross, and having the same thing happen on the way back hearing stories of being turned away due to the export office closing.

Other stress over the last few months included incompetence at my bank with the exchange rate and so forth, but the dealership was on top of things. I would have exchanged in Oct had the bank advised i could trade online at 1/2 a cent better then their quoted rates.

While in Niagara something dangerous did happen we were lost looking for queenston/lewiston bridge so circulating around Niagara on the Lake in error and passing through some town (under normal circumstances my wife would be deleted while i would be fuming) and some truck with a tanker on it was backing up near a restaurant and hit a traffic light, the entire light and pole crashed while i was driving not 10 feet in front of me. (this was on the way there so we were in the same car) I had to back up very fast because who knows what was in the tanker and there were overhead wires snaking around the road, and the guy in the tanker had gotten out of the truck and run. A car coming in the other direction not seeing the wires from the pole snaking around whacked right into them, but kept on going after a loud bang. was crazy. We were very late so i couldn't stick around but confirmed someone had called the police.

Much thanks to Karl (enjoy the moose) and to the TS MM for all his feedback, and to the guys that I have spoken to on here who have done this before me. My knowledge and assistance is here now from doing it if others have questions.

Any one have any feedback on the extended warranty? it seems a good idea, its about 1k for 70000 miles or 7 years full coverage plus other perks and a big benefit is once the 3rd year of your original warranty is up, you get covered IN CANADA without having to send anything back. any comments welcome.

Dreaderus

[dsds]

Congratulations Dreaderus! Let's see a picture before it's too dirty.

Regarding your brush with death, a few seconds can make all the difference eh? Happy New Year!!

[LiquidGoop]

We closed the deal on a '08 Legacy Limited yesterday. Here's our experience:

Left home at 6 in the morning yesterday, picked up our new Legacy around 10, crossed the border at Queeston/Lewiston with no troubles around noon, got Form 2 from RIV around 3, and had it inspected at home CT at 5, and plated this morning. Sure it took all day yesterday, but net savings come out to 8-9k even after Subaru's 7k cash incentive on the Legacies.

The imperial instrument cluster and HVAC controls do bug me a bit. The HVAC (temperature) controls are tied to the instrument cluster so those will switch automatically, but so is the immobilizer so the cluster and immobilizer have to be "married" at a dealership. The trip computer would also need to be replaced. Has anyone gotten quotes on swapping in a metric cluster and trip computer?

edit: Had a near-accident on the way home as well. Truck merged into traffic going 70 cutting someone off who had to slow down quickly, and I started to brake as well. Meanwhile, a guy in the right lane decides to thread the needle of the far left lane immediately behind me nearly hitting me as I had to brake.

[vim]

The imperial instrument cluster and HVAC controls do bug me a bit. The HVAC (temperature) controls are tied to the instrument cluster so those will switch automatically, but so is the immobilizer so the cluster and immobilizer have to be "married" at a dealership. The trip computer would also need to be replaced. Has anyone gotten quotes on swapping in a metric cluster and trip computer?



LiquidGoop - congrats on new purchase.

As I just bought Toyota Sienna myself, I was expecting to have issues with imperial measures. But in Toyota there is a trip computer that allows to change imperial/metric system. I was very surprised,that after changing trip computer to metric, my HVAC control system started to show everything in Celcius. Maybe there is something similar in Subaru - some trip computer that changes related HVAC?

[LiquidGoop]

LiquidGoop - congrats on new purchase.

As I just bought Toyota Sienna myself, I was expecting to have issues with imperial measures. But in Toyota there is a trip computer that allows to change imperial/metric system. I was very surprised,that after changing trip computer to metric, my HVAC control system started to show everything in Celcius. Maybe there is something similar in Subaru - some trip computer that changes related HVAC?

On the Legacy, the instrument cluster is linked to the HVAC, so changing that to metric will change HVAC to celcius as well. The trip computer doesn't work very well when it's not matched to the main cluster (ie imperial/metric, wants imperial/imperial or metric/metric) and doesn't have the necessary lights anyway (you can see what lights are "available" if you look at it closely on an angle). The question has been asked before, but I'm curious if anyone has actually gone through with it on a Subaru.

[dotcalamitie]

"For General Motors, the dismal December numbers included sales of 9,678 passenger cars, down 42.4 per cent from December 2006"


Hmmm...reminds me of a friend of mine who owns one of the largest japanese autodealerships in the country. His wife said he is shaking his head and really depressed. December sales were terrible. Although Chrysler says they are up 3% in December. Can't wait to see the rest of the numbers come in.

[dotcalamitie]

Passenger car sales are down 16 percent in December over all... 10,000 fewer cars this year than last. And BMW pulls ahead with 42 % growth in December.

My question is what * are paying to drive BMW in Canada? Must be a lot of lottery winners and wino's who inherited some money.

[ggweci]

Passenger car sales are down 16 percent in December over all... 10,000 fewer cars this year than last. And BMW pulls ahead with 42 % growth in December.

My question is what * are paying to drive BMW in Canada? Must be a lot of lottery winners and wino's who inherited some money.

The BMW buyers that lease and therefore cannot buy from the US. I'd guess that 70%+ of new model BMW purchasers lease their cars.

[fulrach]

got my first oil change on my '08 tribeca today at Subaru of Mississauga. Service manager was really nice... they even washed her for me when they were done, atleast they're working for their service dollars here now :)

[Danno2005]

The BMW buyers that lease and therefore cannot buy from the US. I'd guess that 70%+ of new model BMW purchasers lease their cars.

Probably 99% lease. That's why BMW is aggressively blocking importing US cars. Imagine their books if the residuals tanked with cheaper US imports.

[dotcalamitie]

Both my brother and I turned in our BMW 5 and 6 series leases and walked away from them. Neither of us was going to play sucker again. I know another long term BMW leaser did the same thing. I'm out. I'll play the value market until an interesting car comes along at a fair market price, not a Canadian screw you price. Which is what BMW Canada is all about. Who can blame them? They are screwing Canadians silly and they are loving it! I wish my businesses were that amazing.

[Tender]

Both my brother and I turned in our BMW 5 and 6 series leases and walked away from them. Neither of us was going to play sucker again. I know another long term BMW leaser did the same thing. I'm out. I'll play the value market until an interesting car comes along at a fair market price, not a Canadian screw you price. Which is what BMW Canada is all about. Who can blame them? They are screwing Canadians silly and they are loving it! I wish my businesses were that amazing.

It's nice for people who care for their own pocket to have options. Meanwhile, don't forget there are still a lot of corporate leases from BMW that kept their numbers high.

[Lanceman1]

Hello All

I have just returned from picking up my new 2008 Lincoln MKZ from Vermont (Thursday Jan 3). Crossing the US border was a breeze..as many suggested, the agent did not even bother to inspect the car. The Canadian side was just as simple with the agents doing their work efficiently and in a friendly manner. As recently posted I will use e-mail to forward the recall letter to RIV and I expect that this aspect of the process will go just as smoothly.

Despite the Canadian Lincoln incentives, I still saved $ 6,000 on the vehicle and $600 on well timed currency transactions.

Although I have not posted often, I have read through all of the posts and appreciate peoples efforts to help explain / de-mystify the process. It encouraged me to proceed with the cross-border purchase. Thank-you all.

[Danno2005]

Hello All

I have just returned from picking up my new 2008 Lincoln MKZ from Vermont (Thursday Jan 3). Crossing the US border was a breeze..as many suggested, the agent did not even bother to inspect the car. The Canadian side was just as simple with the agents doing their work efficiently and in a friendly manner. As recently posted I will use e-mail to forward the recall letter to RIV and I expect that this aspect of the process will go just as smoothly.

Despite the Canadian Lincoln incentives, I still saved $ 6,000 on the vehicle and $600 on well timed currency transactions.

Although I have not posted often, I have read through all of the posts and appreciate peoples efforts to help explain / de-mystify the process. It encouraged me to proceed with the cross-border purchase. Thank-you all.

Congratulations!!

Enjoy your ride.

:cheesygri

[Tender]

Hello All

I have just returned from picking up my new 2008 Lincoln MKZ from Vermont (Thursday Jan 3). ...

Congratulations to your new car. Any pictures to follow?

[EL820]

Big Thanks to all who helped me throughout this thread, and Monsieurmaggot for starting this thread.

I finally picked up the my Subaru Tribeca today from Hodges Subaru in Detroit MI. The folks at the dealership was very friendly & courteous. The sales rep (Kevin) picked me up at the MGM Casino and drove me back to complete the paperwork. I had a short chat with the Sales Manager, Phil...it turns out that these are the guys who are selling truck loads of Tribecas to Multiline in Oakville.

I didn't have to pay the Michigan State sales tax.

After the paperwork formality, Kevin, knowing how difficult it is to find the US Customs Office, took another vehicle and led me to it. After getting to the US Customs Office, the rest was a breeze. I was out of US Customs in about 15 minutes even though there were +10 people ahead of me. The line moved fairly quick, and no hassle at all for me...maybe because the Customs Officer I dealt with was a Subaru fan (he owns two) lol.

On the Canadian side, there was no lineups at all. I walked in and straight to the Customs Officer. I think the process inside took about 10-15 mins as well, and I walked out with Form 1. The Officer didn't even check for contents in my car. I gave him the yellow slip, and I pointed to my car which was parked 20 feet away...he gave it a quick stare and told me that I'm fine to go! Paying the tax was painful though. :lol:

I thought I was pressed for time, but I made it back to the RIV Office just in time...shortly after 4pm. I was varying my speed around 120 - 130...I guess that made up for some valuable time. :D I paid the RIV fee and was out the door just a tad over 30 minutes...had to pay the $1.50 parking fee (I remember someone mentioned that parking is free if you stay less than 30 mins).

I drove to the new CT at Lakeshore & Leslie, figuring it wouldn't be busy...wrong!!!...they were all booked when I got there around 5pm. They weren't going to take me in, but after some pleading the manager told me to show up at 8pm. So I went back at 8pm and got it done. He told me 45 minutes, but I made a quick round of the store and 15 mins later, the paper work was waiting for me already.

Can someone kindly help me out with a couple more questions...

Does CT keep the Form 2? I thought they complete it and give it back to me to bring along to the MTO? They kept my Form 2 & stamped Form 1.

Is there a deadline I must license my vehicle after the CT inspection? I'm thinking to sell one of my current vehicles before plating my Tribeca.


Oh yea...the Subaru Tribeca is parked the garage now...and the thousands I saved is parked in my bank account. :D

Thanks again everyone.

[Marzipan]

Headline from M-B News Release
http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/January2008/03/c6590.html

Mercedes-Benz Canada reports best year ever and breaks multiple all-time sales records in 2007

What I was interested in was what happened to December sales ... and after some digging and calculator work I have concluded they dropped from 1493 to 1412 units or -5.4%. Yipee!!

The optimistic headline and the text of the news release conceal this drop. Here is the paragraph that hides this bad news for M-B.

The December retail deliveries consisted of 1,412 Mercedes-Benz units and 245 smart fortwos for the month. On a combined brand basis, Mercedes-Benz and smart reported December sales of 1,657 units, up by 5.9%. December's success was based on unwavering B-Class, C-Class, E- Class and M-Class sales. The 245 smart fortwos retailed in December accounted for a 240% increase against the 2006 results.

I wonder why Mercedes-Benz sales are falling off particularly when they were breaking records earlier in the earlier months of the year?

[dsds]

Does CT keep the Form 2? I thought they complete it and give it back to me to bring along to the MTO? They kept my Form 2 & stamped Form 1.

Is there a deadline I must license my vehicle after the CT inspection? I'm thinking to sell one of my current vehicles before plating my Tribeca.[/B]


Congratulations EL820. This is fantastic that most posts coming in are successful import stories!

- CT gave me back a photocopy of Form 2 along with a CT Invoice for $28.62 that is charged to RIV. He said he faxed in Form 2. I wouldn't worry unless RIV comes back and says they never received Form 2 from CT. Did you get anything back ? What about a CT Invoice like I got?

- I don't believe there is any deadline if you just leave it sit on your property. Keep it clean until Spring!


*** With winter here I picked up one of these covers to warm up the engine faster. Huge difference!! Might pick up another one to get even better results. Fits all of the Subaru models:

http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=35

[jadeboy]

I am to sign the sales of a Lexus, I just wonder if any have a copy of Form 1 that you are required to fill out at the border. I just want to be prepared.

[dsds]

I am to sign the sales of a Lexus, I just wonder if any have a copy of Form 1 that you are required to fill out at the border. I just want to be prepared.


http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff160/westpoint37/formone.jpg

[jadeboy]

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff160/westpoint37/formone.jpg


Thanks!!!

[dreaderus]

hi there, just to clarify the plated license provided by the USA dealer can that be used to drive the car in Canada? or can it be driven with the plate i was advised i had up to 30 days to do the inspection/plate the vehicle.

also customs Canada told me to go online and pay it which I did and i am awaiting some email with documents to take to Canadian Tire for inspection. In the meantime I would not mind being able to drive around should i avoid this?

Dreaderus

[lakers_Rebirth]

Hi all,

I was wondering if anyone had any links or information on the apparent lockdown Honda has with their dealerships, prohibiting them to sell to Canadians. I know they had this restriction for their 2008 models, but they apparently have this for ALL years and models.

I'm looking at the 2007 Si. I think I fell in love after the test-drive. Getting it in the states will save me roughly $5000-7000, which comes out to be around 25%!

Also:
I have a friend who works in the states with a H1 visa, and is still looking to attain a credit card, or build up his credit. He is constantly getting turned down.

1. Do you guys have any experience in being able to attain a credit card easily in the states? What do you guys suggest?
2. If he were to buy a car for me, and then resell to me... aside from the warranty, would this be able to go through smoothly?

Thanks for all your input!

[shopper_of_things]

Thanks to this post, I finally imported my Ford Escape.

One warning though. I had a lot of trouble getting the NY state temporary permit. The DMV person required proof of insurance called a "binder" which my insurance company didn't provide easily.

It was a document with the insurance company's letterhead, VIN of the new car, date of the temporary coverage, and the type of coverage. It took dozens of calls to the insurance company to get them to fax this letter -- most of the reps didn't have a clue what this "binder" was. They kept saying they couldn't insure a new car until it was registered in Ontario but they said new cars are automatically insured for 14 days anyways. We got into a deep loop with the DMV person wanting this document and the insurance reps saying they can't issue such a document since all new cars are insured automatically.

I was almost stuck in NY as the dealership and I made numerous frantic calls to the insurance company until finally one person faxed such a "binder" over. I managed to make it to the border just before US Customs closed.

Man that was stressful!

I still don't understand why the insurance company didn't fax this letter in the first place.

[Cars4Canadians]

It's nice for people who care for their own pocket to have options. Meanwhile, don't forget there are still a lot of corporate leases from BMW that kept their numbers high.

Time for some company manipulators to pull some strings so that the next corporate car won't be a BMW :lol:

[EL820]

Congratulations EL820. This is fantastic that most posts coming in are successful import stories!

- CT gave me back a photocopy of Form 2 along with a CT Invoice for $28.62 that is charged to RIV. He said he faxed in Form 2. I wouldn't worry unless RIV comes back and says they never received Form 2 from CT. Did you get anything back ? What about a CT Invoice like I got?


Thanks.

Hmm...I just received my Form 1 back from CT with their stamps on both copies...and that was it. I should have asked for a copy of the Form 2 I guess...and no invoice for any charges to RIV.

Just want to confirm...CT faxes Form 2 to RIV to let them know my vehicle has passed federal inspection, and RIV will mail me the Canadian Vehicle sticker for my door sill, right? Thanks.

[Cars4Canadians]

Can someone explain how BMW would lose money on their leased cars if they lowered their MSRP of the 3 series for example by 10% so that their 335i coupe would be 5k less than the 51k that it is now?

I just don't understand how they can say they will lose money? They will not go negative on this, they might have less money coming back but how the f-k can they lose money on this?

Probably 99% lease. That's why BMW is aggressively blocking importing US cars. Imagine their books if the residuals tanked with cheaper US imports.

[Cars4Canadians]

I can't understand how they get away with it all, why do people purchase their overpriced cars? Are well to do people so stupid?

Then again, Audi got away with pricing their god damn S5 65K instead of 50K as it is in the USA........ pucker up Canadians, get your Vaseline out and bend over


Headline from M-B News Release
http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/January2008/03/c6590.html

Mercedes-Benz Canada reports best year ever and breaks multiple all-time sales records in 2007

What I was interested in was what happened to December sales ... and after some digging and calculator work I have concluded they dropped from 1493 to 1412 units or -5.4%. Yipee!!

The optimistic headline and the text of the news release conceal this drop. Here is the paragraph that hides this bad news for M-B.

The December retail deliveries consisted of 1,412 Mercedes-Benz units and 245 smart fortwos for the month. On a combined brand basis, Mercedes-Benz and smart reported December sales of 1,657 units, up by 5.9%. December's success was based on unwavering B-Class, C-Class, E- Class and M-Class sales. The 245 smart fortwos retailed in December accounted for a 240% increase against the 2006 results.

I wonder why Mercedes-Benz sales are falling off particularly when they were breaking records earlier in the earlier months of the year?

[Bincent]

*** With winter here I picked up one of these covers to warm up the engine faster. Huge difference!! Might pick up another one to get even better results. Fits all of the Subaru models:

http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=35

I think I'll pass... from the description, this thing is made with ASBESTOS :eek:

KaleCoAuto radiator insulation is made from only the finest asbestos, and is guaranteed to trap 90% more heat!

[mangoman]

I think I'll pass... from the description, this thing is made with ASBESTOS :eek:

Oh come now, but it's made from "only the finest asbestos"! :lol: :!:

[Danno2005]

Can someone explain how BMW would lose money on their leased cars if they lowered their MSRP of the 3 series for example by 10% so that their 335i coupe would be 5k less than the 51k that it is now?

I just don't understand how they can say they will lose money? They will not go negative on this, they might have less money coming back but how the f-k can they lose money on this?

If their retail on closed end lease returns goes down by $5,000, they lose $5,000 in revenue per lease return. In open end leases, the lessee takes the hit.

If they sell 25,000 cars per year and lease 90% of those, they would stand to lose 25,000 x 0.90 x $5,000 = $11,250,000 annually versus current profit levels.

As we know, BMW is cutting thousands of jobs. This profit lose would hurt.....

Companies with high lease % ratio versus buying stand to lose the most.

Understand, I am all for US shopping as we pay way too much versus US. I could care less if BMW sells another car in Canada, ever....

Just looking at the story behind the story.

[RRKnight]

If their retail on closed end lease returns goes down by $5,000, they lose $5,000 in revenue per lease return. In open end leases, the lessee takes the hit.

If they sell 25,000 cars per year and lease 90% of those, they would stand to lose 25,000 x 0.90 x $5,000 = $11,250,000 annually versus current profit levels.

As we know, BMW is cutting thousands of jobs. This profit lose would hurt.....

Companies with high lease % ratio versus buying stand to lose the most.

Understand, I am all for US shopping as we pay way too much versus US. I could care less if BMW sells another car in Canada, ever....

Just looking at the story behind the story.

We have too many Canadians that are not wise with their money and rather lease a BMW for the image of being well off while they are in a poor house. With that said, I saw 2 BMW X5 ran out of gas yesterday because they can't afford the price hike on premium gas. Instead they try to run it dry and hope for the price to drop next week. :D :D :D

[Cars4Canadians]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't BMW Canada do the following:

1) Consumer goes to Dealership, purchases/leases car $51k
2) Dealership orders car through BMW Canada.
3) BMW Canada sends order to BMW Germany.
4) BMW Canada sends 20K to Germany for the car over 3 years? or right away?
5) BMW Canada pays the dealership another 10K for selling that car.
6) BMW Canada profit? (51k - (20k+10k) ) = 21K Plus whatever interest accumulates who gets it? BMW Canada or Germany?

So if the price goes down by 5K, their true profit will go down to 16K but they are not really losing money as they still make a profit........

To me losing money is if BMW Canada paid 30K to the dealer+Factory and after the 3 year lease the cars value is less than 30K.

In the above case that will not be true....... Since a BMW 335 after a 3 year lease will still probably cost close to 40K ?

BMW is a thief, they could have lowered the prices gradually over the last 24months, they did nothing.....

**** where does it end? What if the Canadian dollar goes to 1.20? will they still sit on their ass and do nothing?

What if the dollar is 1:1 for the next 6 months....... they will still give stupid ass excuses?

When the dollar goes down, they adjust pricing in 5 minutes, when the dollar goes up, they don't move on the "Adjusting" part.

If their retail on closed end lease returns goes down by $5,000, they lose $5,000 in revenue per lease return. In open end leases, the lessee takes the hit.

If they sell 25,000 cars per year and lease 90% of those, they would stand to lose 25,000 x 0.90 x $5,000 = $11,250,000 annually versus current profit levels.

As we know, BMW is cutting thousands of jobs. This profit lose would hurt.....

Companies with high lease % ratio versus buying stand to lose the most.

Understand, I am all for US shopping as we pay way too much versus US. I could care less if BMW sells another car in Canada, ever....

Just looking at the story behind the story.

[Cars4Canadians]

We have too many Canadians that are not wise with their money and rather lease a BMW for the image of being well off while they are in a poor house. With that said, I saw 2 BMW X5 ran out of gas yesterday because they can't afford the price hike on premium gas. Instead they try to run it dry and hope for the price to drop next week. :D :D :D


I noticed that too ! lol

I also noticed that the people living in homes of 1Mill and above have crappier cars than some dude living in a 400K house, lol i guess their money went down for down payments and the BMW's lease drain.

[aphextwin2050]

I noticed that too ! lol

I also noticed that the people living in homes of 1Mill and above have crappier cars than some dude living in a 400K house, lol i guess their money went down for down payments and the BMW's lease drain.

well, whatever people do with their own money is really their perogative and no I do not own a bmw..just saying.

What really pisses me off is the fact that BMW charges $500 for a recall letter and 150$ or whatever for a admissibility letter.

That just goes to show how greedy they are.

[Danno2005]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't BMW Canada do the following:

1) Consumer goes to Dealership, purchases/leases car $51k
2) Dealership orders car through BMW Canada.
3) BMW Canada sends order to BMW Germany.
4) BMW Canada sends 20K to Germany for the car over 3 years? or right away?
5) BMW Canada pays the dealership another 10K for selling that car.
6) BMW Canada profit? (51k - (20k+10k) ) = 21K Plus whatever interest accumulates who gets it? BMW Canada or Germany?

So if the price goes down by 5K, their true profit will go down to 16K but they are not really losing money as they still make a profit........

To me losing money is if BMW Canada paid 30K to the dealer+Factory and after the 3 year lease the cars value is less than 30K.

In the above case that will not be true....... Since a BMW 335 after a 3 year lease will still probably cost close to 40K ?

BMW is a thief, they could have lowered the prices gradually over the last 24months, they did nothing.....

**** where does it end? What if the Canadian dollar goes to 1.20? will they still sit on their ass and do nothing?

What if the dollar is 1:1 for the next 6 months....... they will still give stupid ass excuses?

When the dollar goes down, they adjust pricing in 5 minutes, when the dollar goes up, they don't move on the "Adjusting" part.


C4C - Take a deep breath. I am on your side.

In any case, BMW global would still take an 11 million dollar hit, and that is strongly motivating them to do what they are doing. Best thing is for people to vote with their wallets and stop buying / leasing BMWs until they lower their prices.

[st7860]

I noticed that too ! lol

I also noticed that the people living in homes of 1Mill and above have crappier cars than some dude living in a 400K house, lol i guess their money went down for down payments and the BMW's lease drain.

I agree, unlike people like that other guy who mumbled about taking a breath. BMW is ripping Canadians off.

[RRKnight]

well, whatever people do with their own money is really their perogative and no I do not own a bmw..just saying.

What really pisses me off is the fact that BMW charges $500 for a recall letter and 150$ or whatever for a admissibility letter.

That just goes to show how greedy they are.


Well, those are the people who think BMW is a premium brand and sucker themself on a high lease. Which drive BMW to charge $500 for you to be part of the premium family. Is real simple, if people start to live within their mean we won't have high lease ratio and high price ratio vs the US. That's my $0.2 cent, which is now in my saving account along with my $13K that I saved on my Outback. Hahahaha :D

[whampoa]

I noticed that too ! lol

I also noticed that the people living in homes of 1Mill and above have crappier cars than some dude living in a 400K house, lol i guess their money went down for down payments and the BMW's lease drain.

According to How to Become a Millionaire, Most Millionnaire don't drive new car, they buy it slightly used.

Let the sucker buy it new and take the 30%+ depreciation off the lots.

Now by saying that, we Canadian knew that for certain cough vehicle brand cough, even if buying brand new in the US.

To get the exact price in Canada, you have to buy a two years old used vehicle.

[RRKnight]

According to How to Become a Millionaire, Most Millionnaire don't drive new car, they buy it slightly used.

Let the sucker buy it new and take the 30%+ depreciation off the lots.

Now by saying that, we Canadian knew that for certain cough vehicle brand cough, even if buying brand new in the US.

To get the exact price in Canada, you have to buy a two years old used vehicle.


That is true, a friend mine who is a Millionaire now never own a car in his life. :D

[Lost Horizon]

That is true, a friend mine who is a Millionaire now never own a car in his life. :D

OT: Good for him, if his objective is to own money. For others, the ride is the thing. For most, life's experience burn is a balance between those two. Make no mistake tho, to be old without having experienced as much of the show as you can practically draw down while you have health in hand is a real shame, regardless of how big the the bank account appears from a walker or looking up at that pretty nurse, just before you get off the lifeline bus.

[michelb]

I agree, unlike people like that other guy who mumbled about taking a breath. BMW is ripping Canadians off.

I don't know; while I certainly don't disagree with you that they are ripping people off with their prices, it's a free country so why shouldn't they be allowed to do it - as far as I'm concerned, they can price their cars whatever they want. What I do have a problem with is they (as well as MB, Volvo (and even Toyota, Subaru, etc to an extent)) are putting roadblocks and extorting those who want to import.

If they want to sell an X5 for $95k in Canada, be my guest however the government should step in if they are forcing importers to pay excessive amounts for recall letters and / or requiring unnecessary work to import (e.g. changing odo/speedo/console/etc). Same thing could be said for any manufacturer that appears to be applying pressure to US dealership to prevent sales to Canadians.

As far as the importing is concerned, I think the whole RIV process needs to be revamped. I do not believe that manufacturers should be allowed to require all work performed by their dealership or to force inspections before authorizing import (if I buy a 10 year old BMW in Canada, I don't need to have it inspected (other than safety check), why should I need to have a new or near new one from the US inspected ?). They should also require manufacturers / importers (e.g. BMW Canada) to list all the differences between the vehicles from the markets and leave it up to RIV to determine what needs to be modified (e.g. BMW Canada tells RIV that bumpers, speedo and child seat anchors on US and CND 3-series are different (with technical information) and using that, RIV determines that to import that vehicle, the child seat anchors don't meet Canadian standards and need to be modified but the speedo and bumpers, while different, are still acceptable.

[RRKnight]

Make no mistake tho, to be old without having experienced as much of the show as you can practically draw down while you have health in hand is a real shame, regardless of how big the the bank account appears from a walker or looking up at that pretty nurse.

What:?:

You go to bed with itchy bum you wake up with stinky fingers?

Anyhow, my point is that it's great to have a nice car but don't live pay check to pay check and run out of gas because you can't afford it. Lease is rent, why rent if you can't afford it. Save your money until you can afford to buy. This might bring high almighty eagle BMW to drop their prices to match US. Therefore a better chance for you to actually owning one not rent. :D

[Kamloops]

This this is a good deal I just made for 26,300

2006 Nissan Armanda SE
14,000 Miles
1 Owner
Not Smoker
No Accidents

It is in like new condition

Loaded with Leather, DVD , 3rd row seats, tow package, moon roof plus more

Its as loaded an SE model you can get before it becomes an LE

[Lost Horizon]

What:?:

You go to bed with itchy bum you wake up with stinky fingers?

Anyhow, my point is that it's great to have a nice car but don't live pay check to pay check and run out of gas because you can't afford it. Lease is rent, why rent if you can't afford it. Save your money until you can afford to buy. This might bring high almighty eagle BMW to drop their prices to match US. Therefore a better chance for you to actually owning one not rent. :D

not wake up stinky fingers, just not wake up at all.. the house of chance..

And I am no friend of BMW marketing either.. although the car is a great example of fine engineering. I love mine, but won't buy another any more than my wife will buy another Honda, as expressed by many punters here.

[Marzipan]

I'm searching for a good used vehicle available in the USA for importing to Canada. eBay covers the entire USA and is my best site so far. But what about others?

The auto trader sites base their search on a locale using zip codes. Does anyone have a favourite Web Site for finding used vehicles in the USA?

[thegradas]

cars.com


I'm searching for a good used vehicle available in the USA for importing to Canada. eBay covers the entire USA and is my best site so far. But what about others?

The auto trader sites base their search on a locale using zip codes. Does anyone have a favourite Web Site for finding used vehicles in the USA?

[RRKnight]

I'm searching for a good used vehicle available in the USA for importing to Canada. eBay covers the entire USA and is my best site so far. But what about others?

The auto trader sites base their search on a locale using zip codes. Does anyone have a favourite Web Site for finding used vehicles in the USA?

cars.com

I use both autotrader and cars.com to search for my friend's lexus. I used the zip code of the US Custom border that I will be crossing to do my search. IE for Lewiston bridge I use zip code 14304 to locate the nearest deal to that border.

[03terminator]

I'm searching for a good used vehicle available in the USA for importing to Canada. eBay covers the entire USA and is my best site so far. But what about others?

The auto trader sites base their search on a locale using zip codes. Does anyone have a favourite Web Site for finding used vehicles in the USA?

Here are the ones I use, some better than others.

www.autobase.com
www.traderonline.com
www.cars.com
www.getauto.com
www.carsdirect.com
www.automotive.com

[dsds]

Thanks.

Hmm...I just received my Form 1 back from CT with their stamps on both copies...and that was it. I should have asked for a copy of the Form 2 I guess...and no invoice for any charges to RIV.

Just want to confirm...CT faxes Form 2 to RIV to let them know my vehicle has passed federal inspection, and RIV will mail me the Canadian Vehicle sticker for my door sill, right? Thanks.

Correct.
Bottom of Form 2 tells CT inspector to fax immediately once completed. Sticker comes several weeks later.

[dsds]

I think I'll pass... from the description, this thing is made with ASBESTOS :eek:

Bincent, you might be more interested in some of the other products like this blinker fluid for when your lights aren't flashing as fast as they should be:

http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2&products_id=6

[Bincent]

Bincent, you might be more interested in some of the other products like this blinker fluid for when your lights aren't flashing as fast as they should be:

http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2&products_id=6

Haha.. I've gotta get me a couple of bottles of this!! :lol:

Blinks Harder, Faster, Longer! Lasts for at least 1,500,000 blinks!

[dreaderus]

i paid RIV form via credit card on the website this morning at 5am havent gotten an email yet should i have?

can i drive the car with the usa temp plate on it in canada?

[J233]

LiquidGoop - congrats on new purchase.

As I just bought Toyota Sienna myself, I was expecting to have issues with imperial measures. But in Toyota there is a trip computer that allows to change imperial/metric system. I was very surprised,that after changing trip computer to metric, my HVAC control system started to show everything in Celcius. Maybe there is something similar in Subaru - some trip computer that changes related HVAC?

Same trick works in my US Outlook. One quick switch and I see all numbers in metric on the computer, HVAC, and the NAVI system.

[J233]

Thanks to this post, I finally imported my Ford Escape.

One warning though. I had a lot of trouble getting the NY state temporary permit. The DMV person required proof of insurance called a "binder" which my insurance company didn't provide easily.

It was a document with the insurance company's letterhead, VIN of the new car, date of the temporary coverage, and the type of coverage. It took dozens of calls to the insurance company to get them to fax this letter -- most of the reps didn't have a clue what this "binder" was. They kept saying they couldn't insure a new car until it was registered in Ontario but they said new cars are automatically insured for 14 days anyways. We got into a deep loop with the DMV person wanting this document and the insurance reps saying they can't issue such a document since all new cars are insured automatically.

I was almost stuck in NY as the dealership and I made numerous frantic calls to the insurance company until finally one person faxed such a "binder" over. I managed to make it to the border just before US Customs closed.

Man that was stressful!

I still don't understand why the insurance company didn't fax this letter in the first place.

To the best of my knowledge, there is no concept of insurance "Binder" in Ontario hence the confusion. It is used in BC for sure.

[vim]

i paid RIV form via credit card on the website this morning at 5am havent gotten an email yet should i have?

can i drive the car with the usa temp plate on it in canada?

For best chance to getting papers done quickly:

E-mail form1 to info@riv.ca
E-mail recall clearence letter to recall@riv.ca

Or you can fax:
Form1 to: 1-905-267-1182
Recall clearence letter to:1-888-642-9899


Or call riv to get fax numbers.

They supposed to receive Form1 from customs, but they received mine that was not legible (not readable). I also faxed mine 2 days ago, but today my file still said - not readable. I also e-mailed mine form1 today. But at noon just decided to drive there and now I have Form2. What is left for me - inspection and if no problems, then plate.

And I was told by riv it takes riv 24 hours to receive your payment online and open case for you.

[dreaderus]

For best chance to getting papers done quickly:

E-mail form1 to info@riv.ca
E-mail recall clearence letter to recall@riv.ca

Or you can fax:
Form1 to: 1-905-267-1182
Recall clearence letter to:1-888-642-9899


Or call riv to get fax numbers.

They supposed to receive Form1 from customs, but they received mine that was not legible (not readable). I also faxed mine 2 days ago, but today my file still said - not readable. I also e-mailed mine form1 today. But at noon just decided to drive there and now I have Form2. What is left for me - inspection and if no problems, then plate.

And I was told by riv it takes riv 24 hours to receive your payment online and open case for you.

if all i have done is pay on the credit card, do i have to do more i can try to send that stuff in but i thought id get emailed the required paperwork when i paid.

Dreaderus

[J233]

hi there, just to clarify the plated license provided by the USA dealer can that be used to drive the car in Canada? or can it be driven with the plate i was advised i had up to 30 days to do the inspection/plate the vehicle.


I think this is a gray area. I personally drove for 3 weeks in Ontario (incudling a Windsor - TO trip), many times behind, in front and around police cruisers with my temp US plate and was never bothered. Just make sure you ahve your form 1 with you and the temp plate permit with you


also customs Canada told me to go online and pay it which I did and i am awaiting some email with documents to take to Canadian Tire for inspection. In the meantime I would not mind being able to drive around should i avoid this?

Dreaderus[/QUOTE]

You need to send/show/fax RIV your recall clearence letter first. Then, if they aprove it, they will email/send/fax your Form 2

[vim]

if all i have done is pay on the credit card, do i have to do more i can try to send that stuff in but i thought id get emailed the required paperwork when i paid.

Dreaderus

I am just doing this with RIV, but first e-mail I received from them was form2 after they already had all papers. Call them in and ask what to send where.

[J233]

Note: Originally I planned to buy Honda Odyssey, but because of no warranty policy, bye bye Honda, most likely forever for my family.

Finally I have a new Toyota Sienna 2008 XLE minivan in my garage. Here is my story.

Congrats on your Toyota vim ! Great story, I really enjoyed reading it.

BTW, not sure if you know but TD Home and Auto decided to change their policy for insuring imports as of Nov 15th. It was very helpful for me and the timing was great as I was ready to leave them. The way it works there now is that if you have an existing policy you call them with the VIN number, make/model, price and they fax you the temp policy right away – no different than buying ‘locally’. Then, you have 20 business days to fax them a copy of Form 1 with both stamps and Ontario ownership. At least they showed they could adjust to “changing market conditions” :cheesygri

[rob3blk]

Same trick works in my US Outlook. One quick switch and I see all numbers in metric on the computer, HVAC, and the NAVI system.

just wondering what switch did you activate to view numbers in metric. i have a legacy limited would like to be able to do the same thing. thanks

[bargainhuntr]

Another success story thanks to all the posters on this thread and others. New owner of 2008 Toyota Sienna Le (yes there still are dealerships out there willing to do business but like I've read here and elsewhere that was the most difficult part of the whole process, finding one to sell new.) All went smooth at the dealership, border and at the MTO. Actually this was the second deal as the first fell through on account they wanted to title the vehicle in the states and charge me state sales tax which I was unwilling to pay. Savings in the 10M range for my model and options. Good Luck Everyone and Happy New Year

[ac328]

just wondering what switch did you activate to view numbers in metric. i have a legacy limited would like to be able to do the same thing. thanks

J233 is (I think) referring to a Saturn Outlook, not a Subaru Outback.

I have an '08 Outback brought in from the US and as far as I know there is no way to change the displays to metric short of swapping the entire instrument cluster.

If there is an easy way to change the displays to metric I would be glad to hear about it.

[accorder]

GENERAL MOTORS OF CANADA SALES
------------------------------


MONTH OF DECEMBER 2007
2007 2006 % CHG
TOTAL CARS 9,678 16,741 -42.4%
TOTAL TRUCKS 16,412 19,517 -15.9%
COMBINED VEHICLES 26,090 36,258 -28.0%


CALENDAR YEAR-TO-DATE: December 31st, 2007
2007 2006 % CHG
TOTAL CARS 185,952 202,949 -8.4%
TOTAL TRUCKS 217,760 218,350 -0.3%
COMBINED VEHICLES 403,712 421,299 -4.2%


Source: http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release.do?id=807036

[faston]

GENERAL MOTORS OF CANADA SALES
------------------------------


MONTH OF DECEMBER 2007
2007 2006 % CHG
TOTAL CARS 9,678 16,741 -42.4%
TOTAL TRUCKS 16,412 19,517 -15.9%
COMBINED VEHICLES 26,090 36,258 -28.0%

Love it! And BMW has a 42% increase??? That's just bizarre.

[rob3blk]

J233 is (I think) referring to a Saturn Outlook, not a Subaru Outback.

I have an '08 Outback brought in from the US and as far as I know there is no way to change the displays to metric short of swapping the entire instrument cluster.

If there is an easy way to change the displays to metric I would be glad to hear about it.

Thanks for pointing that out. I guess it was wishfull thinking on my part that i wanted it to be a subaru. reading back j2333 :cheesygri feeling kinda silly

[bulgurc]

Wow, I am so glad I found this thread. So much info here...
I have a question. I am planning to import Toyota Highlander Sports or Limited version. My understanding from the RIV list is, if EIS is next to the model it needs an Immobilizer, otherwise it would be admissible into Canada. So the model of Highlander I am interested does not have an EIS, so it would be accepted. Can somebody please confirm this?

[toyorav4me]

Wow, I am so glad I found this thread. So much info here...
I have a question. I am planning to import Toyota Highlander Sports or Limited version. My understanding from the RIV list is, if EIS is next to the model it needs an Immobilizer, otherwise it would be admissible into Canada. So the model of Highlander I am interested does not have an EIS, so it would be accepted. Can somebody please confirm this?

Yes, it's accepted only with the sport and limited which is fitted with factory immobilizer.

[propofol]

Love it! And BMW has a 42% increase??? That's just bizarre.

I bet you they fudge their figures. Does anyone know how reliable this data is, or do they rely on the manufacturers themselves to provide it?

[zircon]

Canadian are basically a stupid, timid lot. Saw Stats Can #s today that said our income in 2006 was the same (must be inflation adjusted) as it was 20 yrs ago. Unbelievable. The average person is no better off today. Hmmmm....can I have a gun registry, please.... Anyone who believes those GM lease numbers in the full page ads is an idiot, but it must work.

I don't think they can BS on the sales #s. What they will do is say they reduced fleet sales (GM), but we really do not know how important this was).

The incipient rise in fuel price is going to devastate the industry. All those Rams that sold well in Dec will be rusting on the lots. I was going to by a G35X but city mileage convinced me to wait till car diesels (non VW) arrive.

[sLAsh]

Bincent, you might be more interested in some of the other products like this blinker fluid for when your lights aren't flashing as fast as they should be:

http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2&products_id=6

Man I wish I had seen this website before. I coulda used this product a few times when I zipped around an offramp to fast with my wife.:lol:
http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=40

[J233]

Thanks for pointing that out. I guess it was wishfull thinking on my part that i wanted it to be a subaru. reading back j2333 :cheesygri feeling kinda silly

Sorry, yes, I was referring to Saturn Outlook.

[Cars4Canadians]

:cheesygri 3 cheers for the people that woke up to their crazy pricing ! :)

I wouldn't mind a Corvette, but i'm not paying a $22,223 premium becuase i live 100km from Buffalo :)

I'm so tired of these a-hole manufacturers i hope they all go out of business.


GENERAL MOTORS OF CANADA SALES
------------------------------


MONTH OF DECEMBER 2007
2007 2006 % CHG
TOTAL CARS 9,678 16,741 -42.4%
TOTAL TRUCKS 16,412 19,517 -15.9%
COMBINED VEHICLES 26,090 36,258 -28.0%


CALENDAR YEAR-TO-DATE: December 31st, 2007
2007 2006 % CHG
TOTAL CARS 185,952 202,949 -8.4%
TOTAL TRUCKS 217,760 218,350 -0.3%
COMBINED VEHICLES 403,712 421,299 -4.2%


Source: http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release.do?id=807036

[dotcalamitie]

Saw a note on here about a guy seeing two BMW X5's out of gas. On my 745 and 645 and my brothers 545 and my nephews Infiniti G35, we all ran regular gas thru the life of the vehicles and none of us had any problems when we turned the cars in (although my 2002 745 engine blew up, it was a timing issue due to the computer - cost $22,000 to BMW Canada at 20,000 km). All these cars have anti-knock control so you don't have to use premium, it's just "recommended" - you have to wonder how much the gas companies pay the car companies for that "recomended" rating. Premium gas = sucker.

[Albertan]

Saw a note on here about a guy seeing two BMW X5's out of gas. On my 745 and 645 and my brothers 545 and my nephews Infiniti G35, we all ran regular gas thru the life of the vehicles and none of us had any problems when we turned the cars in (although my 2002 745 engine blew up, it was a timing issue due to the computer - cost $22,000 to BMW Canada at 20,000 km). All these cars have anti-knock control so you don't have to use premium, it's just "recommended" - you have to wonder how much the gas companies pay the car companies for that "recomended" rating. Premium gas = sucker.

You are an idiot. THose cars all run higher compression and as such, require the anti-detonation properties of higher octane gas. yes they ahve knock sensors but you're obviously too stupid to think about how those work - they have to DETECT knock before thye pull back timing, which means damage has already been done.

What's more, running regular gas in a premium car just means teh car is pulling back timing a lot, meaning you aren't making as much power as the car is rated. For instance, the VQ35 series engine from Nissan/Infiniti makes only 220HP when running regular.


Please do not post such stupid stuff on a forum that is so widely read - You have no idea what you are talknig about - I mean, check out what he said

"my 2002 745 engine blew up, it was a timing issue due to the computer - cost $22,000 to BMW Canada at 20,000 km"

If you knew more about cars, you'd know that by running regular, probably cheap, watery regular, you grenaded your engine cause teh car wasnt able to pull the timing back any more.


Furthermore, did you know that if you drove the average 25,000KM a year, in an average car you're spending liek $200 more a year for premium... Would you rather pay $200 a year for mroe horsepower and not grenanding your 7-series? Cheapskates like you who buy expensive cars then fill them with sludge are hilarious! :cheesygri

[showMeAnImport]

You are an idiot. THose cars all run higher compression and as such, require the anti-detonation properties of higher octane gas. yes they ahve knock sensors but you're obviously too stupid to think about how those work - they have to DETECT knock before thye pull back timing, which means damage has already been done.

What's more, running regular gas in a premium car just means teh car is pulling back timing a lot, meaning you aren't making as much power as the car is rated. For instance, the VQ35 series engine from Nissan/Infiniti makes only 220HP when running regular.


Please do not post such stupid stuff on a forum that is so widely read - You have no idea what you are talknig about - I mean, check out what he said

"my 2002 745 engine blew up, it was a timing issue due to the computer - cost $22,000 to BMW Canada at 20,000 km"

If you knew more about cars, you'd know that by running regular, probably cheap, watery regular, you grenaded your engine cause teh car wasnt able to pull the timing back any more.


Furthermore, did you know that if you drove the average 25,000KM a year, in an average car you're spending liek $200 more a year for premium... Would you rather pay $200 a year for mroe horsepower and not grenanding your 7-series? Cheapskates like you who buy expensive cars then fill them with sludge are hilarious! :cheesygri

Maybe he doesn't know what he is talking about...maybe he does...either way, not sure it called for such an aggressive response...

Cheers

[showMeAnImport]

:cheesygri 3 cheers for the people that woke up to their crazy pricing ! :)

I wouldn't mind a Corvette, but i'm not paying a $22,223 premium becuase i live 100km from Buffalo :)

I'm so tired of these a-hole manufacturers i hope they all go out of business.

Me too!!!! Let's just all drive bicycles....that will show em' :-)

Cheers

[shopper-X]

You are an idiot. THose cars all run higher compression and as such, require the anti-detonation properties of higher octane gas. yes they ahve knock sensors but you're obviously too stupid to think about how those work - they have to DETECT knock before thye pull back timing, which means damage has already been done.

What's more, running regular gas in a premium car just means teh car is pulling back timing a lot, meaning you aren't making as much power as the car is rated. For instance, the VQ35 series engine from Nissan/Infiniti makes only 220HP when running regular.


Please do not post such stupid stuff on a forum that is so widely read - You have no idea what you are talknig about - I mean, check out what he said

"my 2002 745 engine blew up, it was a timing issue due to the computer - cost $22,000 to BMW Canada at 20,000 km"

If you knew more about cars, you'd know that by running regular, probably cheap, watery regular, you grenaded your engine cause teh car wasnt able to pull the timing back any more.


Furthermore, did you know that if you drove the average 25,000KM a year, in an average car you're spending liek $200 more a year for premium... Would you rather pay $200 a year for mroe horsepower and not grenanding your 7-series? Cheapskates like you who buy expensive cars then fill them with sludge are hilarious! :cheesygri

It all comes down to two words "Required" and "Recommended".
Here is an article from Edmunds: Do You Really Need Premium? (http://www.edmunds.com/advice/fueleconomy/articles/106293/article.html)

If the vehicle says REQUIRED use it, if it says Recommended it's your choice.

[accorder]

You are an idiot. THose cars all run higher compression and as such, require the anti-detonation properties of higher octane gas. yes they ahve knock sensors but you're obviously too stupid to think about how those work - they have to DETECT knock before thye pull back timing, which means damage has already been done.

What's more, running regular gas in a premium car just means teh car is pulling back timing a lot, meaning you aren't making as much power as the car is rated. For instance, the VQ35 series engine from Nissan/Infiniti makes only 220HP when running regular.


Please do not post such stupid stuff on a forum that is so widely read - You have no idea what you are talknig about - I mean, check out what he said

"my 2002 745 engine blew up, it was a timing issue due to the computer - cost $22,000 to BMW Canada at 20,000 km"

If you knew more about cars, you'd know that by running regular, probably cheap, watery regular, you grenaded your engine cause teh car wasnt able to pull the timing back any more.


Furthermore, did you know that if you drove the average 25,000KM a year, in an average car you're spending liek $200 more a year for premium... Would you rather pay $200 a year for mroe horsepower and not grenanding your 7-series? Cheapskates like you who buy expensive cars then fill them with sludge are hilarious! :cheesygri

hey Albertan, it's not very pleasant to read your post. you may be more knowledgeable on that topic but you acted like an *******. This is not a place to attack fellow RFDers. You own an apoloy to everyone on this thread for your language.

[Cars4Canadians]

Me too!!!! Let's just all drive bicycles....that will show em' :-)

Cheers

Worked for the Chinese for a long time :)

[whampoa]

Man I wish I had seen this website before. I coulda used this product a few times when I zipped around an offramp to fast with my wife.:lol:
http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=40

Hmm, I thought I saw that thing in a S&M site.

You are an idiot.

Please do not post such stupid stuff on a forum that is so widely read - You have no idea what you are talknig about - I mean, check out what he said

Cheapskates like you who buy expensive cars then fill them with sludge are hilarious! :cheesygri

Whoa, testy aren't we, did you have a little too much caffeine.

Did Albertan miss the profit from him using regular over premium gas?

I tell you what's really stupid, paying BMW, Merc and whoever a $500 fee for a piece of paper and over 1K for a metric, bumper ripoff conversion.

[freewheel]

Maybe he doesn't know what he is talking about...maybe he does...either way, not sure it called for such an aggressive response...

Cheers

+1

[vim]

Today I got licence plates for my Toyota Sienna XLE 2008 that I imported from US on December 31st. Canadian Tire inspection did not find any problems and car got "Pass" grade. My car does not have DRL Off option on headlight switch, as others reported. There were no questions about immobilizer from them. At MTO office guy new exactly what papers I needed and never asked about any safety inspection as other sometimes reported. So everything is done.

Looking back at my experience - hardest part is to find a dealer. All paperwork is really really simple after you spend some time reading this forum. You just need to follow very simple rules.

Thanks again everybody for your help.

[satguy80]

Anyone imported a used BMW M3....im looking to buy a 2003 - 2005 M3 from New York state. Anyone know what you need to do for these cars and if there is a company that would do all the paper work and deliver the car to me in Toronto.

Thanks.

[Kamloops]

Anyone know of a Oregon TOYOTA dealer that will sell to Canadians? Please PM me dont post it.

Me and a friend want to buy 2 Tacomas right aways.

[EL820]

I went to a local MTO office and got my plates this morning. I made trips to two different offices cuz the first location did not have the number I prefer. :D

I got a nice number on my plate at the second location, but it wasn't without problems at first. The first rep was nice and went down the pile of plates to get something I prefer. When we were about to start the paperwork, she informed me that she's new and she wasn't familiar with the import process and kindly asked me to wait for the next rep. Fair enough. The second rep was a total BIIIIIATCH!!! RUDE & IGNORANT!!! She looked at my paper work and rudely (almost shouting) told me that I had to get an inspection done. I told her nicely that new vehicles don't require inspections, and she SNAPPED back at me..."DON't TELL ME WHAT I NEED". I still wanted that nice number the first rep had promised me, so I didn't want to raise my voice. In a calm & nice tone, I informed her again that new vehicles don't require an inspection. She barked at me again (can't remember what she was lecturing now), and told me to see the supervisor.

The supervisor was a very nice lady, and I got my plates with no problems. We actually chatted about how much I saved and how she's been seeing more & more new vehicles from the US getting plates from her office. She also asked me twice to point out the rep who gave me the attitude. I guess she's to have a chat with the ignorant rep...for training purpose. :D

I should have showed my new plates to the ignorant rep when I walked out...not to rub in her face of course, but as an FYI so she can better serve others in the future. :D But I was so happy with my plates I forgot all about the incident, until I discuss it with my brother over lunch.

Now..just have to wait for the sticker in the mail from RIV.

[EL820]

I remember someone on this thread asked whether we can sell the vehicle before registering...I asked the supervisor at the MTO office the same question. Unfortunately, the vehicle must be registered in the name of the purchaser before reselling it. So we do have to pay the PST before selling it to another buyer who will then need to pay the PST again.

[dsds]

Anyone know of a Oregon TOYOTA dealer that will sell to Canadians? Please PM me dont post it.

Me and a friend want to buy 2 Tacomas right aways.

Hey Kamloops, you 've been looking for you and your friend since mid November when I gave you the name of my friendly dealer. A lot of your past posts show you're all over the place with vehicles.

Are you one of these dealer imposters ?????:confused:

[rjmbc]

Hey Kamloops, you 've been looking for you and your friend since mid November when I gave you the name of my friendly dealer. A lot of your past posts show you're all over the place with vehicles.

Are you one of these dealer imposters ?????:confused:

I think you may be correct. I supplied him with information previously.

[Kamloops]

Hey Kamloops, you 've been looking for you and your friend since mid November when I gave you the name of my friendly dealer. A lot of your past posts show you're all over the place with vehicles.

Are you one of these dealer imposters ?????:confused:

I was in touch with your dealer today. Just think it would be easier to buy in Oregon to avoid tax. He has given me a fantastic price.

To I am not a dealer imposter. I am buying the Tacoma to flip. Bought and Sold a Durango already. Buying an Armada as well. I drive them but have them for sale if it sells I go buy another. Have bought 3 boats as well. Also was going to get a Z4 but not now with what BMW has done.

Do you have a problem with this?

[Kamloops]

I think you may be correct. I supplied him with information previously.


You dont know me! So dont jump to conclusions. I have 942 posts you have 6.

Does this look like an imposter - http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5454420#post5454420

[yyz2hkg]

I went to a local MTO office and got my plates this morning. I made trips to two different offices cuz the first location did not have the number I prefer. :D


I should have showed my new plates to the ignorant rep when I walked out...not to rub in her face of course, but as an FYI so she can better serve others in the future. :D But I was so happy with my plates I forgot all about the incident, until I discuss it with my brother over lunch.

Now..just have to wait for the sticker in the mail from RIV.

LoL...i did the same thing...was it something like "BBBB 888" :cheesygri

*j/k*

[rjmbc]

You dont know me! So dont jump to conclusions. I have 942 posts you have 6.

Does this look like an imposter - http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5454420#post5454420

Who are you trying to impress? You seem to spend a lot of time trolling for dealers.

[Kamloops]

Who are you trying to impress? You seem to spend a lot of time trolling for dealers.
WTF are you talking about? Trolling for Dealers? I am looking for a dealer that will sell a Tacoma to me in Oregon...is there something wrong with that? I can get it in California but if I drive it off the lot I pay CA tax I am trying to avoid that.

What is your problem! I am not trying to impress anyone. If you look at past posts of mine I have helped many now I ask for some help and I get accused of something!! Get a friggin life!

I think if you want to become part of the community here you are off to a bad start, 7 posts and you are trying to trash me. You know where you can go!

[niceguy1234]

How much money that you save to worth the effort? If you save only $1000 or $2000 by importing a car, maybe that is too little to worth your effort. How much save that will motivate you to buy in the States? I would say $5000 and up. What is your opinion?

[jnmontario]

I've been waiting patiently since Sept. when I first started reading this thread (though it reads more like War and Peace than a single thread now...). I wanted to first wait to see when 2008 Prius' were going to be allowed into Canada, and then, when the manufacturers ass-jacked TC into posting ridiculous rules to not allow vehicles I sat, figuring as some point the rules would relax. Now that it looks like the 'final verdict' may be in (AFAIK you need to contact Toyota of America to get a letter stating that the immobilizer complies with CMV***** then 'simply' start the importation process) I think it's time to make a move.

I have a question for any who'd care to take a stab at it (or who may have been in the same position). If I have dual citizenship (CDN/US) but am (and have been forever) a resident of Canada. Do you think I can simply call TofA and say I'm living abroad but here's my social security # etc... and I'd like a letter stating *insert immobilizer shat here* and purchase a Prius purchase to export? I can give US addresses (aunts/uncles) but it's my understanding that I'd have to pay state tax in that case.

Thanks in advance.

[irish80ca]

Hey guys,

Glad to see this thread is still going strong!!!

It's been a few months since I've read through it. I get lost in all the different conversations.

Here's my question and I'm sure it's probably been asked before but after reading a tome of pages I've given up and hope someone can answer it for me:

My parents just bought a small place in Florida as a winter retirement get-away. Can I use this address to my advantage in anyway when buying a car? Probable a used suv.

I was thinking of registering it there but driving it here in Canada for a while until the price drops and I wouldn't have to pay as much taxes when bringing it across the boarder. Can I do that? Would I end up paying double taxes? (US & CDN) What if I buy in New York and register to Florida?

[gregolds]

I've been waiting patiently since Sept. when I first started reading this thread (though it reads more like War and Peace than a single thread now...). I wanted to first wait to see when 2008 Prius' were going to be allowed into Canada, and then, when the manufacturers ass-jacked TC into posting ridiculous rules to not allow vehicles I sat, figuring as some point the rules would relax. Now that it looks like the 'final verdict' may be in (AFAIK you need to contact Toyota of America to get a letter stating that the immobilizer complies with CMV***** then 'simply' start the importation process) I think it's time to make a move.

I have a question for any who'd care to take a stab at it (or who may have been in the same position). If I have dual citizenship (CDN/US) but am (and have been forever) a resident of Canada. Do you think I can simply call TofA and say I'm living abroad but here's my social security # etc... and I'd like a letter stating *insert immobilizer shat here* and purchase a Prius purchase to export? I can give US addresses (aunts/uncles) but it's my understanding that I'd have to pay state tax in that case.

Thanks in advance.

Have one of your relatives purchase from a state where they do not reside and there is no reciprical state tax collection agreement. Dealer should supply an MCO to your relative. They sell you a "used" vehicle as a private sale. They are the exporter of record and you are the importer. Not sure of recall situation with Toyota/RIV at this time. Your relative never registers the vehicle in their home state= no state tax paid.

[gregolds]

Hey guys,

Glad to see this thread is still going strong!!!

It's been a few months since I've read through it. I get lost in all the different conversations.

Here's my question and I'm sure it's probably been asked before but after reading a tome of pages I've given up and hope someone can answer it for me:

My parents just bought a small place in Florida as a winter retirement get-away. Can I use this address to my advantage in anyway when buying a car? Probable a used suv.

I was thinking of registering it there but driving it here in Canada for a while until the price drops and I wouldn't have to pay as much taxes when bringing it across the boarder. Can I do that? Would I end up paying double taxes? (US & CDN) What if I buy in New York and register to Florida?

I am sure if you register in Florida you will pay Florida state tax. When you export to Canada you will pay GST based on your bill of sale and PST based on the converted Canadian value determined at the border. [ PST not applicable for those poor people in Alberta] Here in Manitoba I had to pay extra PST on my new Ridgeline because they use a value based on average wholesale Canadian pricing. Of course it does not work the other way if you pay too much!!! In Manitoba Autopac [Goverment insurance] controls auto insurance, registration, and drivers lisences. [Too much power]. We have cheap auto insurance because we have a cheap insurance provider. I guess I covered it all except the Blue Bombers, my ex-wife. and our NDP goverment.

[EL820]

LoL...i did the same thing...was it something like "BBBB 888" :cheesygri

*j/k*

LOL, that's close!! :cheesygri

[EL820]

Have one of your relatives purchase from a state where they do not reside and there is no reciprical state tax collection agreement. Dealer should supply an MCO to your relative. They sell you a "used" vehicle as a private sale. They are the exporter of record and you are the importer. Not sure of recall situation with Toyota/RIV at this time. Your relative never registers the vehicle in their home state= no state tax paid.

I'm not so sure if his relative can sell the car to him as used before registering it first. Things might work differently in the US, but when I asked the supervisor at a local MTO, I was informed that I had to register the vehicle in my name before reselling.

[davehender]

FYI

http://www.globeauto.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071227.wh-BMW-X3-1227/GAStory/specialGlobeAuto/home

This article says BMW has some "sweet deals out there now" on the X3, including discounts on financing & leasing and cash back offers of "at least $2,000".

Umm... thanks?

[gregolds]

I'm not so sure if his relative can sell the car to him as used before registering it first. Things might work differently in the US, but when I asked the supervisor at a local MTO, I was informed that I had to register the vehicle in my name before reselling.

I did exactly as stated for my Honda Ridgeline, only thru a friend not a relative. He had to send a copy of his drivers license showing his US address before the dealer would sell to him. Also the MCO can only be signed over to the original purchaser from a dealer. Cannot be resigned between 2 private individuals. Did you tell the person at MTO you were exporting to the USA? Where is GTA.

[Monsieurmaggot]

WTF are you talking about? Trolling for Dealers? I am looking for a dealer that will sell a Tacoma to me in Oregon...is there something wrong with that? I can get it in California but if I drive it off the lot I pay CA tax I am trying to avoid that.

What is your problem! I am not trying to impress anyone. If you look at past posts of mine I have helped many now I ask for some help and I get accused of something!! Get a friggin life!

I think if you want to become part of the community here you are off to a bad start, 7 posts and you are trying to trash me. You know where you can go!

I have to chuckle at this. The regulars here know you imported a bunch of stuff and made a serious contribution to this thread.

There's nothing wrong with flipping all the cars you want. There are a ton of people doing that in places like Auto Trader.

[satguy80]

Anyone know what you need to do to import a used M3 and if there is a company that would do all the paper work and deliver the car to me in Toronto.

Or the procedure and paper work needed to fill out to go down to NYC and pickup and car and drive it over.

Thanks.

[freewheel]

FYI

http://www.globeauto.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071227.wh-BMW-X3-1227/GAStory/specialGlobeAuto/home

This article says BMW has some "sweet deals out there now" on the X3, including discounts on financing & leasing and cash back offers of "at least $2,000".

Umm... thanks?

This vehicle is priced $13,100 more in Canada than in the U.S.. I don't think the $2,000 rebate quite does it:razz:

[real_term]

Importing from the States mean you have to pay the dealer cash. Who or what kind of loan do you guys use? I check the banks and their interest rate is ridiculous. Something like 7% + prime.

Any help would be appreciated.

[EL820]

I did exactly as stated for my Honda Ridgeline, only thru a friend not a relative. He had to send a copy of his drivers license showing his US address before the dealer would sell to him. Also the MCO can only be signed over to the original purchaser from a dealer. Cannot be resigned between 2 private individuals. Did you tell the person at MTO you were exporting to the USA? Where is GTA.

I was at a licensing office in Toronto getting my plates for my new US car, and out of curiousity I thought I ask if I can resell it to another individual before registering the vehicle. She said no, I would have to pay the PST to get it registered under my name, then i can resell to another buyer who will have to pay the PST again.

[crasher]

I was at a licensing office in Toronto getting my plates for my new US car, and out of curiousity I thought I ask if I can resell it to another individual before registering the vehicle. She said no, I would have to pay the PST to get it registered under my name, then i can resell to another buyer who will have to pay the PST again.

I had sold the car to my uncle before registering it here, and never paid any taxes. My uncle only paid the PST, and I paid the GST @ border. :razz: Dont believe what MTO agent tells you. They will even tell you that you need to do the provincial safety for the new car.
Edit: We went to streetsville MTO office. My uncle was too old, and dont want to travel, I just helped him save money, he was prepared to pay the PST twice from the money he was saving. In the end it turned out to be a smooth process. I had to only write on plain sheet that I sold the car to him. I did not had to prove to MTO that we are relatives, My uncle had a different family name too, still no PST.

[Lost Horizon]

I had sold the car to my uncle before registering it here, and never paid any taxes. My uncle only paid the PST, and I paid the GST @ border. :razz: Dont believe what MTO agent tells you. They will even tell you that you need to do the provincial safety for the new car.
Edit: We went to streetsville MTO office. My uncle was too old, and dont want to travel, I just helped him save money, he was prepared to pay the PST twice from the money he was saving. In the end it turned out to be a smooth process. I had to only write on plain sheet that I sold the car to him.

If it is for immediate family, (at least in BC) you can transfer the ownership without attracting PST by signing such a declaration. Other than that, the "buyer" will have to pay PST.

[03terminator]

A little secret in BC. If you sell within seven days, you get the PST back.


Refunds – Motor Vehicle Refund

You may be eligible to apply for a refund of Provincial Sales Tax (PST) paid on a motor vehicle if

You are a resident of British Columbia and:

* You purchase a motor vehicle in B.C. and re-sell it within seven days.
* You purchase a motor vehicle in B.C. for the purpose of exporting it for resale.
* You purchase a motor vehicle then move outside of B.C., the vehicle is taken outside of B.C. within 30 days of the purchase and will be used solely outside of B.C., and the vehicle is registered in another jurisdiction where tax was required to be paid.

[real_term]

Do you need a passport to cross the US border?

[Kamloops]

I have to chuckle at this. The regulars here know you imported a bunch of stuff and made a serious contribution to this thread.

There's nothing wrong with flipping all the cars you want. There are a ton of people doing that in places like Auto Trader.


I buy for myself but put it up for sale right away , when it sells I buy another. I use what I buy. My goal is to make enough to have a free 40K car. Well not free there is a lot of time and work in the process.

[yayaya]

Getting into the USA by air you now must have a passport.

Getting into the USA by land, you need two pieces of id, -- the easiest ones being your drivers liscence and your birth certificate.

[Marzipan]

Do you need a passport to cross the US border?

An Internet search of this question produces this link.

http://www.amcits.com/passport_requirement.asp

[shopper-X]

Importing from the States mean you have to pay the dealer cash. Who or what kind of loan do you guys use? I check the banks and their interest rate is ridiculous. Something like 7% + prime.

Any help would be appreciated.

Try the All-Purpose loan from PC Financial (http://www.banking.pcfinancial.ca/a/rates/allPurposeLoanRate.page) (unsecured between $5,000 to $50,000).

[st7860]

0% interest for 1 year.
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6217560#post6217560

[Prof]

Just got back yesterday with my first purchase, a loaded 07 Sentra for my wife. Time at the border in total was less than 30 minutes. Exchange rate for tax was .9997! I will be contacting RIV ASAP and already have an appointment for DRLs tomorrow.

I'm now looking for a Camry, Altima etc for myself. Would prefer new for the Toyota knowing that an Altima will need to be an 07 due to RIV.

I've found a Toyota dealer in the deep SE who will sell a new Camry to me but it's quite a trek back to SK. I had found one in ID but as of Dec 24, they had stopped selling to Canadians. I called on the 29th to find that out. Sigh.

Sorry to pose the same question repeatedly asked but if anyone knows a cooperative dealer on the central or western side of the US, please PM me. I've been around since 2001, so you know I'm on the up and up.:cheesygri

[gregolds]

I was at a licensing office in Toronto getting my plates for my new US car, and out of curiousity I thought I ask if I can resell it to another individual before registering the vehicle. She said no, I would have to pay the PST to get it registered under my name, then i can resell to another buyer who will have to pay the PST again.

It would be the same in Manitoba if you registered the vehicle, but we can claim the PST back if you buy and sell within a six month time frame. P.S. Lets get all you RFDs over to www.carswithoutborders to fill out their survey on the RIV.

[brendonp]

To the best of my knowledge, there is no concept of insurance "Binder" in Ontario hence the confusion. It is used in BC for sure.

I think it's more of a "terminology" thing than anything else; I had my State Farm agent email me a PDF (or TIF?) of the insurance binder for the car I was picking up within about 5 minutes of my phone call... And, yes, I'm in Ontario - she new immediately what I was talking about, but was a little doubtful about me requiring a binder. From her perspective I was insured, and she said that State Farm wouldn't question my insurance at all, nor would anyone in the US... obviously not the case! In any event she was quite pleasant and sent it to me quickly....

[nornet]

I think it's more of a "terminology" thing than anything else; I had my State Farm agent email me a PDF (or TIF?) of the insurance binder for the car I was picking up within about 5 minutes of my phone call... And, yes, I'm in Ontario - she new immediately what I was talking about, but was a little doubtful about me requiring a binder. From her perspective I was insured, and she said that State Farm wouldn't question my insurance at all, nor would anyone in the US... obviously not the case! In any event she was quite pleasant and sent it to me quickly....

Interesting, two insurance companies had no problem issuing an Insurance Binder (in Ontario) but under no circumstances would they send it to me, it had to go directly to the dealer.

[Monsieurmaggot]

A simple letter from your insurance company saying you're insured is all that is required as a "binder".

It should be on proper letterhead.

Mine said that car model xxxx, VIN xxxx was insured effective (day I picked up the car) by State Farm. It included my name as well.

If they had any questions, please contact the agent directly. His card was attached.

It was good enough for NY State.

[bmm34]

For my insurance I just called my State Farm agent with the VIN# and started the coverage. She faxed me a temporary permit within a couple of minutes. My only concern was when to start the coverage as I paid for the vehicle in full, two weeks prior to picking it up. Theoretically once I signed the ownership, I owned it even though it was still sitting on the dealership lot. The dealership assured me it was still covered under their policy until I picked it up; however, I opted to start the coverage immediately just in case.

[siennaLe2008]

I kept hearing if the head office knows that one of their dealership sells to Canadians, the dealrship will have big problems.. but how does the head office know? Is it
1) Through the request of recall letter i.e. provided VIN (e.g. Toyota)
but this is just a hint, I can request the recall letter and still register the car in US.
2) Register the car in Canada so they have records in the system e.g. Carfax. But they need VIN to track it and there are millions of VINs out there.
3) Through the first warranty claim? This can never happen

I really want to demystify this "if the head office knows"..
what do you guys think?

[cupofjoe]

I know certain states have no sales tax Montana, Oregon, Delaware etc.

How can you avoid paying the sales tax in California, if you buy a vehicle there? Can u ship it to Montana for example??

thanks in advance

[ericky]

I did exactly as stated for my Honda Ridgeline, only thru a friend not a relative. He had to send a copy of his drivers license showing his US address before the dealer would sell to him. Also the MCO can only be signed over to the original purchaser from a dealer. Cannot be resigned between 2 private individuals. Did you tell the person at MTO you were exporting to the USA? Where is GTA.

I recall reading many posts back someone who had a friend in the US purchase the car for him. He was the "shipper" who provided US customs with the MCO in his friends name for proper exportation. After getting the US customs stamp he immediately signed a purchase and sale agreement between his friend and himself, crossed the bridge and started the CDN importation process under his own name. As i understood it you need the MCO for exportation and for certain brands BMW/Toyota you need a US resident to purchase for you. For CDN importation you simply need a bill of sale which was the private sale document signed (really pre-signed) between the US/CDN borders. It would be nice to hear if anyone though has done this.

[tkl]

I just posted a response to a rebate question in another thread. I had a discussion with Citibank, over a two week period, about the rebate issue. I have around $1800 in account and didn't want to be forced to buy where it would be more expensive. At the beginning the position was "in Canada" only. However, by the end, the customer service supervisor stated that the policy had just changed and that US purchases were now eligible. We copied down the instructions but they are essentially as stated on the user agreement. So in the end, it should work out fine. Note that the change occurred in December so the effect may not have reached the online info as yet.

I can confirm they recently changed their policy and cars purchased in the USA also qualifies as my cheque is in the mail.

[bulgurc]

I posted this in the Howto thread, but I though I post it here to, for peoples comments:

Like most of you, I am having problems finding Toyota dealers willing to sell to Canadians (Anyone willing to PM their dealer to me?).
I have idea, don't know whether it will work. I carry dual passports (No, one of them is unfortunately is not from US). Can I buy the car with my non-Canadian passport presented at the dealer? Then follow the regular importing steps?
Will this work? Any comments?

[michelb]

I posted this in the Howto thread, but I though I post it here to, for peoples comments:

Like most of you, I am having problems finding Toyota dealers willing to sell to Canadians (Anyone willing to PM their dealer to me?).
I have idea, don't know whether it will work. I carry dual passports (No, one of them is unfortunately is not from US). Can I buy the car with my non-Canadian passport presented at the dealer? Then follow the regular importing steps?
Will this work? Any comments?

Why would that make any difference? The problem isn't selling to you because you are Canadian - the problem is selling it to you because you are Canadian and want to export it.

[Rehan]

I have idea, don't know whether it will work. I carry dual passports (No, one of them is unfortunately is not from US). Can I buy the car with my non-Canadian passport presented at the dealer? Then follow the regular importing steps?
Will this work? Any comments? No, the passport won't help at all. The dealers want to see the address on your driver's license, not your passport.

[bulgurc]

Why would that make any difference? The problem isn't selling to you because you are Canadian - the problem is selling it to you because you are Canadian and want to export it.

How would they know that I am Canadian if I present them with a non-canadian passport? I don't think they have a problem with the car being exported

[03terminator]

I've always wondered if the dealers who won't sell to Canadians would sell to illegal Mexicans with cash, but without a US address. Someone should call a dealer to find out.

[michelb]

I've always wondered if the dealers who won't sell to Canadians would sell to illegal Mexicans with cash, but without a US address. Someone should call a dealer to find out.

I don't think they care if you're legal or not - they're just told not to sell for export. If you have a US address, they'll sell to you (some might insist on having a driver's license).

[bulgurc]

My understanding is they just can't sell to Canadian residents. This is an email I got from a dealer:
>Unfortunately, I can't sell a vehicle to someone residing in Canada. Good luck >with your endeavor.

[03terminator]

True, I was referring to a discrimination against Canadians. Since the purchaser is exporting, not the dealer, they are not technically selling for export. Would a Mexican walking into a dealer with cash be treated differently (the dealer may not assume export as they do with Canadians). As we know, a few years ago Canadians (for the most part) did not need a US address.

[Tender]

Why would that make any difference? The problem isn't selling to you because you are Canadian - the problem is selling it to you because you are Canadian and want to export it.

My understanding is they just can't sell to Canadian residents. This is an email I got from a dealer:
>Unfortunately, I can't sell a vehicle to someone residing in Canada. Good luck >with your endeavor.

Did you read the replies? They don't want to sell to Canadians simply because they don't want Canadians to take advantage of the currency appreciation. So they will make sure you're not exporting to Canada. That's why they want your US address, driver's license, etc.

There are people who successfully imported Toyotas, so there must be ways to do it. However simply showing up with another foreign passport probably wouldn't help much. Let us know if it works.

[bulgurc]

Even though you had a US address, when you ask them to fax the US customs, would it that not alert them to your intentions, though?

[Kamloops]

I know certain states have no sales tax Montana, Oregon, Delaware etc.

How can you avoid paying the sales tax in California, if you buy a vehicle there? Can u ship it to Montana for example??

thanks in advance

Correct no CA tax if you have it shipped from the dealer to Oregon or Montana I guess. Fly down and fine someone with a flatdeck car hauler that will take the car and you to the state line. I confirmed this with the Cal Tax dept.

Or just find a tow truck driver that agree to tow it off the lot and take it a couple of miles away from the dealer, then drive it from there.

[michelb]

Correct no CA tax if you have it shipped from the dealer to Oregon or Montana I guess. Fly down and fine someone with a flatdeck car hauler that will take the car and you to the state line. I confirmed this with the Cal Tax dept.

Or just find a tow truck driver that agree to tow it off the lot and take it a couple of miles away from the dealer, then drive it from there.

I believe you are correct but the only problem is that in this scenerio, you can't get a temp permit. I think the only way to get a temp permit is from the DMV of the state/province you are buying (i.e. Cali) or the state/province will be registering it in (i.e. BC or ON or whatever) but I don't think the Canadian provinces will give you a temp permit until it's imported so you have to tow / trailer it to Canada. Actually I don't know if customs requires the vehicle to be at the border when you export / import it so technically you could maybe buy it and park it somewhere, do the export/import without actually having the vehicle there, get the Canadian temp permit and then go pick up the vehicle and drive with that.

[ceruleanblue]

Have any of the purchasers of Acura/Honda had trouble finding a dealer that would sell to Canadians? and are you purchasing a warranty from a 3rd party? I've looked into a couple 3rd party warranties and their fine print implies that cars bought in the U.S. won't qualify for the warranty.

[bababui]

Guys,
I finally got my Rogue home last night:D
RIV rejected dealer's recall letter, they want it from Nissan head office, anyone had any experience with Nissan recall letters?
Also CT service guy told me they cannot install DRL on this car and that I need to call a dealer, where did you guys get it done here in Toronto?

So couple of more hurdles to cross. I will share my full story as soon as everything is sorted out.
Thanks a bunch!

[bargainhuntr]

[QUOTE=Tender;6227693]They don't want to sell to Canadians simply because they don't want Canadians to take advantage of the currency appreciation. So they will make sure you're not exporting to Canada. /QUOTE]

Its in the US dealers franchise agreement that vehicles they sell not be exported for 120 days. I don't beleive it has anything to do with you being a Canadian.

[ceruleanblue]

Have any of the purchasers of Acura/Honda had trouble finding a dealer that would sell to Canadians? and are you purchasing a warranty from a 3rd party? I've looked into a couple 3rd party warranties and their fine print implies that cars bought in the U.S. won't qualify for the warranty.

Related to this, I noticed that many of the extended warranty companies say coverage is good in the U.S. and Canada. So, maybe buy an extended warranty in the U.S. at vehicle purchase time? Then maybe it would cover you in Canada as well?

And even though Honda/Acura Canada will not provide warranty, will I still have warranty in the U.S. from Honda/Acura?

[ceruleanblue]

And yet another question that I haven't come across an answer for in this thread (hope I didn't just miss it!), but are there honestly differences in Canadian vehicles like the manufacturers say? For example, on the manufacturer's web sites I have read that Canadian vehicles may have larger windshield washer reservoirs, larger batteries, different tires, more corrosion protection, heavier duty seals, etc. Is this actually true? And I bought a vehicle in California say, would I find that the wheels and underneath the vehicle end up rusting on me because they don't have any of the protection that a Canadian vehicle would have?

[ceruleanblue]

Are people being charged the Green Levy on vehicles that use more than 13L/100km? (I assume so) How about anyone that's purchased an Acura MDX, it looks like the Green Levy would be $3000? That's based on the fuel ratings at http://www.fueleconomy.gov/ Does anyone know where Canada customs get the ratings from to determine the Green Levy?

[MMMM]

Originally Posted by ceruleanblue
And even though Honda/Acura Canada will not provide warranty, will I still have warranty in the U.S. from Honda/Acura?

And yet another question that I haven't come across an answer for in this thread (hope I didn't just miss it!), but are there honestly differences in Canadian vehicles like the manufacturers say? For example, on the manufacturer's web sites I have read that Canadian vehicles may have larger windshield washer reservoirs, larger batteries, different tires, more corrosion protection, heavier duty seals, etc. Is this actually true? And I bought a vehicle in California say, would I find that the wheels and underneath the vehicle end up rusting on me because they don't have any of the protection that a Canadian vehicle would have?

Your US warrenty will only apply if the vehicle is registered in the states.

The following is for a Honda Element:

Washer reservois's are identicle . Part number 76840scvc01.
Funny, the cost in canada for the part is 221.31. The same part in the states 80.50. Both are 4.5l or 4.8 US qt.
Tires are different. Both are OK. Both are all season.
No idea about different seals. Which seals?
Battery ratings in the manual are the same for both. Batteries are different though. I looked in a canadian Element and it had a different brand of battery.
The Canadian vehicle has a different wiring harness.
DRL warning on the dash for Canadian vehicles.
For corrosion both US and Canada offer the same warrenty. Pretty sure there is no difference.

[Kamloops]

I believe you are correct but the only problem is that in this scenerio, you can't get a temp permit. I think the only way to get a temp permit is from the DMV of the state/province you are buying (i.e. Cali) or the state/province will be registering it in (i.e. BC or ON or whatever) but I don't think the Canadian provinces will give you a temp permit until it's imported so you have to tow / trailer it to Canada. Actually I don't know if customs requires the vehicle to be at the border when you export / import it so technically you could maybe buy it and park it somewhere, do the export/import without actually having the vehicle there, get the Canadian temp permit and then go pick up the vehicle and drive with that.

You can get one at the DMV in Oregon and when you hit Washington you can get one as well. Or as I have done in the past put plates from another BC Car I had. May not be legal but it works. Impotant thing is to have it insured.

[ceruleanblue]

Your US warrenty will only apply if the vehicle is registered in the states.Thanks. That bites, so an Acura will really have no warranty. I'm having trouble finding a 3rd party that will sell one too. They should have to give you a refund for warranty service that you won't be receiving because they won't allow you to in either country.

No idea about different seals. Which seals?I don't know which ones, it was something listed on Toyota's web site here http://www.toyota.ca/cgi-bin/WebObjects/WWW.woa/wa/vp?vp=Home.WhatsNew.MadeForCanada&language=english%3E

Where did you find out those differences on the Element? I'd like to do that for the Highlander and the MDX.

[MMMM]

Where did you find out those differences on the Element? I'd like to do that for the Highlander and the MDX.

This site does not have the lowest prices but they use OEM parts (if it has scv in the part number) which makes comparing prices with Honda Canada easier.

link (http://www.collegehillshondaparts.com/)

[Monsieurmaggot]

And yet another question that I haven't come across an answer for in this thread (hope I didn't just miss it!), but are there honestly differences in Canadian vehicles like the manufacturers say? For example, on the manufacturer's web sites I have read that Canadian vehicles may have larger windshield washer reservoirs, larger batteries, different tires, more corrosion protection, heavier duty seals, etc. Is this actually true? And I bought a vehicle in California say, would I find that the wheels and underneath the vehicle end up rusting on me because they don't have any of the protection that a Canadian vehicle would have?

Just a company's way of casting doubt into your decision-making process.

Toyota actually took out an ad "suggesting" there could be differences. "Suggesting" is a sneaky way of hiding the truth that there are no differences. If they could, they would also say that Canadian Toyotas run better on litres of gasoline.

My Subaru has the same tires, reservoir (I checked the part number) and battery as the Canadian version. I don't need to check anything else.

It also has bilingual stickers (both FRENCH and English) all over. I snapped pictures and posted them earlier in the thread and at www.carburner.com. You would expect English and Spanish.

Why on earth would Subaru put bilingual stickers on a car destined for an American market? The only changes they make are the instrumentation and displays.

Check for yourself. Do a part search for any Canadian and American vehicle.

Note: Someone mentioned that Honda actually houses the Canadian immobilizers in a different coloured case. Apparently they share the same part number!

[jponce]

Thanks for all the info provided here and on carburner/cars101. I just got back from Seattle. I figure I save about 5K on my purchase; a worthwhile endeavor.

One other note; there is a larger inventory of used vehicles to purchase from the US than what is available it Canada. My 2005 Impreza WRX wagon (automatic) cost me $24K with 3200 miles on the odometer. With that mileage it's basically a new car.

[Marzipan]

I just spoke with someone from Yukon who brought a Rogue back from Seattle some months ago. I don't know what he saved but out of curiosity I just did an Internet MSRP check.

2008 Nissan Rogue SL AWD with Premium, Leather and Technology packages.

USA 26,615 USD

CAN 36,300 CAD

No incentives or bargaining has been considered. Amounts do not include taxes. USA purchase needs 6.1% duty to be added at border plus all the other costs of importing.

[diigii]

I guess you haven't heard the other claim that your US-spec car can't be filled up because it only takes gallons and our pumps are in liters. :cheesygri

And yet another question that I haven't come across an answer for in this thread (hope I didn't just miss it!), but are there honestly differences in Canadian vehicles like the manufacturers say? For example, on the manufacturer's web sites I have read that Canadian vehicles may have larger windshield washer reservoirs, larger batteries, different tires, more corrosion protection, heavier duty seals, etc. Is this actually true? And I bought a vehicle in California say, would I find that the wheels and underneath the vehicle end up rusting on me because they don't have any of the protection that a Canadian vehicle would have?

[raskal]

I'm still trying to figure out why some options are not available on Canadian cars that are available on their american counterparts.

For example, the 2008 VW Eos comes in much fewer options/colours in Canada than in America and if you choose the light blue avail in CAN. you only get the beige interior, whereas in the US you can have beige, grey or black.

The more I look, the less reason there is to buy here.... it's just so stupid!

[ryandk]

Can anyone recommend a Subaru salesman/dealership in Washington state? Most of the references I've seen are for dealers back east.

Thanks.

[davehender]

http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/292225

[elmst200]

http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/292225
Auto imports jump 68% in 2007

Number of vehicles bought in U.S. smashes record as strong loonie, low residual values boost demand

Jan 09, 2008 04:30 AM
Tony Van Alphen
Business Reporter

Imports of autos from the U.S. shot up to another record last month as many Canadian used-vehicle dealers pursued more bargains south of the border to meet demand here.

Purchases of new and used U.S. vehicles jumped 156 per cent, or more than 14,000, to 23,070 in December from the same month in 2006, according to Canada's Registrar of Imported Vehicles.

A continuing strong Canadian dollar and low residual values on used American autos sparked the increase and smashed the previous record in 2006, analysts said yesterday.

The December figures pushed Canadian imports from the United States to a record 189,738 cars and trucks for the year. That's almost 77,000 vehicles, or 68 per cent, more than 2006.

Analyst Dennis DesRosiers said yesterday consumer demand for vehicles that are thousands of dollars less expensive in the U.S. drove triple-digit percentage increases in the fourth quarter, particularly used models

"The amount of attention that cross-border trading is getting nationally has alerted used-car dealers and they're responding," he said.

"Underlying the increase is the used-vehicle market in the U.S. and low residual values on cars coming off lease or off fleets."

The statistics from the federal registrar show used models account for the vast majority of vehicle imports. However, the number of new autos has climbed from 11 per cent to more than 20 per cent of imports during the last two years.

Last fall, consumers expressed anger at cheaper U.S. prices as the Canadian dollar reached par with the U.S. greenback. It prompted automakers here to offer record incentives on new autos during the past two months.

Jim Hamilton, manager of mediation services for the Used Car Dealers Association of Ontario, agreed member firms are showing more interest in U.S. vehicles to meet consumer demand.

"My opinion is based on a perception by consumers that is not always based on reality," he added. "A lot of used vehicles don't necessarily generate the massive savings you would see on new luxury cars."

Some automakers have told U.S. auto dealers not to sell to Canadian shoppers.

Other critics say companies are putting up obstacles and red tape to reduce savings and deter shopping for vehicles south of the border.

Hamilton said BMW Canada is forcing shoppers to pay $500 and $350 for separate letters that confirm required recall repairs and modifications – such as daytime running lights. Furthermore, BMW wants shoppers to use authorized company dealers in the U.S. before giving letters that allow the car to enter Canada, he noted.

"In our opinion, it's restraint of trade," Hamilton said.

But BMW countered that the costs of the letters cover administrative expenses to ensure imports comply with government safety standards. Use of authorized dealers ensures proper modifications that meet factory specifications and allow BMW to honour warranties without more costs, the company said.

[EL820]

Guys,
I finally got my Rogue home last night:D
RIV rejected dealer's recall letter, they want it from Nissan head office, anyone had any experience with Nissan recall letters?
Also CT service guy told me they cannot install DRL on this car and that I need to call a dealer, where did you guys get it done here in Toronto?

So couple of more hurdles to cross. I will share my full story as soon as everything is sorted out.
Thanks a bunch!

Hey congrats!!

Was it purchased with the original dealer, or did you find another dealer willing to forego the MI tax?

[EL820]

Can anyone recommend a Subaru salesman/dealership in Washington state? Most of the references I've seen are for dealers back east.

Thanks.

Would Eastside Subaru be in your area?

[the company]

Has anyone imported a Mazda 3 or Mazdaspeed 3? I was wondering what solutions there are for the DRLs. There is very little information on how DRLs can be added if the car has HID.

Cheers

[Monsieurmaggot]

Can anyone recommend a Subaru salesman/dealership in Washington state? Most of the references I've seen are for dealers back east.

Thanks.

Carter Subaru in Washington state is a huge vendor out that way.

Joe Spitz (sales rep.) started www.cars101.com which caters to both Internet and Canadian buyers.

His site is where I got most of my information when I first imported my car.

Unlike today, a year ago, there was very little information on importing cars from the US.

[Luckster]

Can anyone recommend a Subaru salesman/dealership in Washington state? Most of the references I've seen are for dealers back east.

Thanks.

I would have recommend Carter Subaru in Seattle, the sales person that you would want to deal with is Joe Spitz. Check out his website www.cars101.com I was just down there last week, I have bought 3 vehicles from Joe in the last year, Joe knows what he's doing and will not jerk you around. Joe also will give you the best price in the area with no dickering. I know there is a sales person from Eastside Subaru here that have been recommended by others, but I had a really poor experience with them last week helping my uncle buy a vehicle from them. If you want details PM me. Also on pricing, Joe from Carter Subaru beat the people at Eastside Subaru by $700 on a 2008 Tribeca.

[michelb]

Has anyone imported a Mazda 3 or Mazdaspeed 3? I was wondering what solutions there are for the DRLs. There is very little information on how DRLs can be added if the car has HID.

Cheers

How are they done in Canada? Can't you just use the fog lamps as DRLs (tons of cars do this from the factory)

[Luckster]

I don't know if we are still keeping track of the RFD super savers club, in additions to the 2007 Subaru Outback I imported in May, I brought back a 2008 Subaru Tribeca and a 2008 Subaru Outback last week before Subaru of America stopped giving rebates and incentive to Canadian buyers. My garage has only Subarus now. I figured conservatively I saved at least $40k on the 3 vehicles. All the vehicles was bought at Carter Subaru.

I also helped my uncle brought back a 2008 Subaru Tribeca last week, it was bought at Eastside Subaru only because they had the color and options that he wanted. Like I said in an earlier post, it was a negative experience, really regretting that Carter Subaru could not get us that color and options combination. Carter would have been cheaper and a lot less stress.

[niceguy1234]

I know that after you bring in your car, you need to get the Form 2 and bring it to Canadian Tire to do the Federial inspection. Does anyone know that if we need to do the provincial inspection in BC? Someone says that we need the provincial inspection and get a sticker before you can get ICBC coverage. True? I think Canadian Tire can do the provincial inspection too, but you need to pay for it. The Federial inspection is free ( you paid already when you cross the boarder).

[iluvtofish]

I can also vouch for Carter Subaru. I purchased my 2008 Tribeca there in November. I must say that the whole process went very smoothly. The key thing is to do your research first before contacting Joe. Make sure you do all your test driving and decide which model and what options you like. Have a few colour choices in mind and then give him a call. After the deal is done, he will fax all the paperwork you need to get across the border (you need to get the insurance binder for driving the car up on your own).

On another note, I phoned Don Docksteader Subaru in Vancouver and the service manager said that they have no problem with servicing US vehicles (unlike a couple of the other dealerships in the lower mainland).

[03terminator]

Has anyone imported a Mazda 3 or Mazdaspeed 3? I was wondering what solutions there are for the DRLs. There is very little information on how DRLs can be added if the car has HID.

Cheers

The US/Canadian wiring is different. The best sloution is to fire up the fogs with a relay. $25 if you do it yourself, fairly easy. $200 for a shop to do. I've heard of $400-$600 at a Mazda shop.:confused:

[james-007]

I know that after you bring in your car, you need to get the Form 2 and bring it to Canadian Tire to do the Federial inspection. Does anyone know that if we need to do the provincial inspection in BC? Someone says that we need the provincial inspection and get a sticker before you can get ICBC coverage. True? I think Canadian Tire can do the provincial inspection too, but you need to pay for it. The Federial inspection is free ( you paid already when you cross the boarder).

In BC you need to get the provincial inspection done regardless of the vehicle being new or preowned. CT can and will do the inspection but you'll have to pay out of your pocket for this. I had it done someone else other than CT and it costed me $67 taxes included.

[PrimeBane]

Long time reader, first time poster. :)

First, thanks to everyone for the excellent information I've found in this thread.

My wife and I are hoping to purchase a new Saturn Outlook probably sometime this year. How has Saturn been to deal with, speciafically for anyone in southern Alberta or BC? Or because they fall under GM, is finding a dealership that will sell to Canadians tough?

I'm not looking for a specific dealer yet, but I don't want to start out on this journey if I have to travel too far into the US.

Thanks :)

[niceguy1234]

In BC you need to get the provincial inspection done regardless of the vehicle being new or preowned. CT can and will do the inspection but you'll have to pay out of your pocket for this. I had it done someone else other than CT and it costed me $67 taxes included.

How can I find the "authorized" garage to do the Provincial inspection other than CT? Please email me if you don't want to put the name on the discussion. Thank you. my email is wchu@novuscom.net

[reznikru]

Hi guys, Just got my new toyota camry from US and very happy with saving $9000 CAN, Thank you all for sharing informations. You guys are rock

[bababui]

Original dealer bailed out on me, they didn't have that much experience exporting... I quickly located another dealer in the same area which had more experience and was willing to forego MI tax. I can highly reccomend them, please PM me if you need dealer info. Ended up paying couple hundred more at second dealer, nothing compared to savings:cheesygri
Taking it for drls tomorrow and to can tire on friday, and hopefully for licencing after that:)


Hey congrats!!

Was it purchased with the original dealer, or did you find another dealer willing to forego the MI tax?

[dreaderus]

just did my inspection at Canadian Tire no issues.

its funny some guy was there he had imported a volvo SUV and he didnt know what he would have to pay or what not. he didnt know the RIV fee was built in and you would not have to pay additional unless you needed mods.

do volvo suvs need mods? i was ahead of him and was hoping he would not be stuck there with some massive undertaking.

Dreaderus

[james-007]

How can I find the "authorized" garage to do the Provincial inspection other than CT? Please email me if you don't want to put the name on the discussion. Thank you. my email is wchu@novuscom.net

There may be a list containing names of authorized Provincial Inspection facilities. But the easiest way is to call around in your area and ask them if they are authorized. At the same time you want to ask them what they charge. From what I have heard CT changes like $125 but like I said I have imported 2 vehicles how and each time I paid $67. I went else where because I don't like CT.

[dreaderus]

There may be a list containing names of authorized Provincial Inspection facilities. But the easiest way is to call around in your area and ask them if they are authorized. At the same time you want to ask them what they charge. From what I have heard CT changes like $125 but like I said I have imported 2 vehicles how and each time I paid $67. I went else where because I don't like CT.

you paid money for a service paid for with the RIV fee because you dont like canadian tire? wow in my case they didnt even get into the car

the list of dealers i believe comes when u get form 2

[freewheel]

How can I find the "authorized" garage to do the Provincial inspection other than CT? Please email me if you don't want to put the name on the discussion. Thank you. my email is wchu@novuscom.net

Check here:

http://www.riv.ca/english/Independent-Inspection-Centres.pdf

[freewheel]

you paid money for a service paid for with the RIV fee because you dont like canadian tire? wow in my case they didnt even get into the car

the list of dealers i believe comes when u get form 2

The fee is included at the independant garages as well.

[T3rry]

you paid money for a service paid for with the RIV fee because you dont like canadian tire? wow in my case they didnt even get into the car

the list of dealers i believe comes when u get form 2

no, he went to CT for the Federal inspection, he went elsewhere for the PROVINCIAL inspection.

[crasher]

You DONOT need Provincial Inspection for New Cars.

[Kamloops]

You DONOT need Provincial Inspection for New Cars.


You do in BC for an imported car

[Kamloops]

Ok I found a dealer closer to home that will sell to me but they are under the impression they cant sell it to me unless it is titled and plated. here is the question he wants answered..anyone have any suggestions for me to show this guy thats not true. he also told me it takes 10 days to get the MSO from Toyota. Does that sound right. Has anyone ever got a recall letter from toyota? any problems?


From Dealer
""Do you have any paperwork that will so proof that we can send a car into Canada without metal plates.""

[freewheel]

no, he went to CT for the Federal inspection, he went elsewhere for the PROVINCIAL inspection.

My mistake. In Ontario there are hundreds of independant garages that do provincial inspections. For the RIV form 2 inspection you have to see the list at the link I gave for independant garages.

[Strikerjs]

Have the December 2007 Canadian Vehicles Sales results been posted yet?

[vim]

Ok I found a dealer closer to home that will sell to me but they are under the impression they cant sell it to me unless it is titled and plated. here is the question he wants answered..anyone have any suggestions for me to show this guy thats not true. he also told me it takes 10 days to get the MSO from Toyota. Does that sound right. Has anyone ever got a recall letter from toyota? any problems?


From Dealer
""Do you have any paperwork that will so proof that we can send a car into Canada without metal plates.""

I found that in some states I know it might take 3-5 weeks to receive cars "Certificate of Title". In other states they have it with the car.
I got recall letter from Toyota about 5-10 minutes after calling them in. I did this for 2 different cars and in both cases they were very efficient. But they can change that any minute and they might charge for letter or they might refuese to give you at all. As a backup, you can allways ask dealership to do printout about cars outstanding services - but RIV might or might not accept it.
My dealer gave me temporary plates to drive of the dealership. Price for temp plates was 1$.

[dsds]

In my case it took the dealer 12 days to get my MSO (Manufacturer Statement of Origin, same as MCO Manufacturer Certificate of Origin) from Toyota USA. They quoted 10-14 days.

Toyota USA would not provide recall letter when called, so I had to use a printout from the dealer which RIV accepted no problem (first week in November).

I found talking to the typical floor salesperson to be a waste of time. The sales managers knew right away about needing an MSO to export. I recommend asking to talk to them or someone on the internet sales or fleet sales team. They seem to be more knowledgeable. If they say no to the MSO/MCO, move on to the next dealer.

Does anyone have recent confirmation that Toyota USA is giving out recall letters like vim mentioned? And is RIV still accepting printouts?

[real_term]

Hi guys,

Do you guys know if Registry depot does lien check on used cars?

Thanks.

[J233]

Long time reader, first time poster. :)

First, thanks to everyone for the excellent information I've found in this thread.

My wife and I are hoping to purchase a new Saturn Outlook probably sometime this year. How has Saturn been to deal with, speciafically for anyone in southern Alberta or BC? Or because they fall under GM, is finding a dealership that will sell to Canadians tough?

I'm not looking for a specific dealer yet, but I don't want to start out on this journey if I have to travel too far into the US.

Thanks :)
Welcome ! I imported a 2007 Outlook XR AWD in December. Originally arranged a deal through a broker for a brand new 2008 model and decided to go ahead with a factory order, just to include the combination of options we wanted. "Our" Outlook arrived to the US dealer on Nov 01 - it became inadmissible on the very same day so we decided to follow plan B - a demo/slightly used 2007 model.
If you PM me I can elaborate on my experience but it is limited to East cost, and the "rust belt" states.
I don't think you will be able to find a US dealer willing to sell without providing a US address these days, maybe if you try in Texas, Nevada. Given that 2008 models appear to be admissible again I would try that option for sure. All in all, Outlook is an incredible vehicle and worth the challenge, not to mention all the savings (we saved 16.3 K CAN after all taxes and expenses):)

[niceguy1234]

In my case it took the dealer 12 days to get my MSO (Manufacturer Statement of Origin, same as MCO Manufacturer Certificate of Origin) from Toyota USA. They quoted 10-14 days.

Toyota USA would not provide recall letter when called, so I had to use a printout from the dealer which RIV accepted no problem (first week in November).

I found talking to the typical floor salesperson to be a waste of time. The sales managers knew right away about needing an MSO to export. I recommend asking to talk to them or someone on the internet sales or fleet sales team. They seem to be more knowledgeable. If they say no to the MSO/MCO, move on to the next dealer.

Does anyone have recent confirmation that Toyota USA is giving out recall letters like vim mentioned? And is RIV still accepting printouts?

RIV should accept the print out (3 pages) from any Authorized Toyota dealer with their letterhead. You don't need recall letter from Toyota USA office.

[stephenstay]

I live in BC and got my federal and provincial inspection performed at CTire. There were other options but having both inspections done at the same time within the hour just made more sense to me (cost was a little over $100). The provincial inspection sticker (which you do need to get your car titled and insured in BC) was stuck on the back of the inspection report. My understanding from the insurance agent is that you need to carry that inspection report (with sticker) for one year after bringing the car into the province.
Cheers, SS

PS: The high point of the inspection was the service manager apologizing when he brought the car up. "I'm sorry sir, I have to leave your car running because I don't know how to turn it off :) "

I know that after you bring in your car, you need to get the Form 2 and bring it to Canadian Tire to do the Federial inspection. Does anyone know that if we need to do the provincial inspection in BC? Someone says that we need the provincial inspection and get a sticker before you can get ICBC coverage. True? I think Canadian Tire can do the provincial inspection too, but you need to pay for it. The Federial inspection is free ( you paid already when you cross the boarder).

[stock_junkie]

I imported a 2008 Toyota Highlander Sport. It's under full Toyota Canada warranty and is really a luxurious, quiet smooth ride. It has leather seats, the bigger 19" rims with all-season tires and factory tinted windows. I also paid for some extra Toyota factory installed options. Here's some of the highlights:

Leather Seats,
Tow Prep Package for up to 5,000lbs,
19” Rims with All Season Tires,
Power Rear Door,
Front Auto Dual Zone Climate Control,
Homelink Universal Receiver,
Carpet Mats with Cargo Mat,
Rear Bumper Protector,
Window Tint
Rear back up camera


If you're interested please inbox me and I can e-mail pictures. It only has 1500 miles (most of them from the ride back to Canada) and I've done all the paperwork and the 15 hour ride home for you and I'm just trying to break even since I've run into some financial trouble with my wife out of work and she won't be going back for some time since she's due to give birth to our second child in April. So I'm down to a single income for the foreseeable future and will going back to driving our 2nd car which is a 1999 Corolla.

[satguy80]

anyone can tell me the procedure for importing a used car (4 years old)?

Please and thank you.

[shopper-X]

anyone can tell me the procedure for importing a used car (4 years old)?

Please and thank you.

Same as all used cars under 15 years old.

[talabial]

I imported a 2008 Toyota Highlander Sport. This is the front wheel drive version with "4 wheel assist" for snow. So basically when you're driving around with no snow on the ground you get better gas mileage and then when there's snow you press the "snow" button (duh!) and it handles great (I tested it out during that big snow storm a few weeks ago).
It's under full Toyota Canada warranty and is really a luxurious, quiet smooth ride. It has leather seats, the bigger 19" rims with all-season tires and factory tinted windows. I also paid for some extra Toyota factory installed options. Here's some of the highlights:

Leather Seats,
Tow Prep Package for up to 5,000lbs,
19” Rims with All Season Tires,
Power Rear Door,
Front Auto Dual Zone Climate Control,
Homelink Universal Receiver,
Carpet Mats with Cargo Mat,
Rear Bumper Protector,
Window Tint
Rear back up camera


If you're interested please inbox me and I can e-mail pictures. It only has 1500 miles (most of them from the ride back to Canada) and I've done all the paperwork and the 15 hour ride home for you and I'm just trying to break even since I've run into some financial trouble with my wife out of work and she won't be going back for some time since she's due to give birth to our second child in April. So I'm down to a single income for the foreseeable future and will going back to driving our 2nd car which is a 1999 Corolla.

Hi Guys, I've got my new Toyota Camry 08 SE model with sun roof in December
Saving 10000 CAN compare to Canadian model including RIV/transportation and broker fee

[michelb]

just did my inspection at Canadian Tire no issues.

its funny some guy was there he had imported a volvo SUV and he didnt know what he would have to pay or what not. he didnt know the RIV fee was built in and you would not have to pay additional unless you needed mods.

do volvo suvs need mods? i was ahead of him and was hoping he would not be stuck there with some massive undertaking.

Dreaderus

Until Dec31 2007, all Volvos except S/V40 could be imported with no modification - since Jan 1st 2008, they've gone Mercedes and BMWs way of processing all imports through them so I don't know what they require anymore. It's possible that they do like BMW (I think) and require you to change the dash/console which is fairly expensive.

RIV page says you need to call Volvo to get information on the modifications but when I tried to call, I was on 'hold' to get through to their customer service for a long time and eventually just got tired of waiting and hung up before I actually spoke to anyone.

[DSTU]

Until Dec31 2007, all Volvos except S/V40 could be imported with no modification - since Jan 1st 2008, they've gone Mercedes and BMWs way of processing all imports through them so I don't know what they require anymore. It's possible that they do like BMW (I think) and require you to change the dash/console which is fairly expensive.

RIV page says you need to call Volvo to get information on the modifications but when I tried to call, I was on 'hold' to get through to their customer service for a long time and eventually just got tired of waiting and hung up before I actually spoke to anyone.


I've contacted RIV and they do not have a clue what is going on?????

I did call Volvo and they were very helpful, they refereed me back to RIV. I said RIV told me to call Volvo...LOL

What Volvo said was that the vehicle must adhere to thse standards from RIV's site:

ü Recall clearance letter
ü The vehicle must bear a manufacturer's valid U.S. statement of compliance label at the time of
importation.
ü The Registrar of Imported Vehicles will mail a Canadian statement of compliance label to you
after passing the federal inspection.
ü Valid alpha-numeric 17-digit VIN
ü Metric speedometer and odometer labels (provided by inspection centre)
ü Daytime running lights
ü Child restraint tether anchorage hardware kit


Volvo did use the old RIV list to see if the vehicle i'm interested in importing was admissiable....LOL

What a joke RIV is.

[jponce]

Can anyone recommend a Subaru salesman/dealership in Washington state? Most of the references I've seen are for dealers back east.

Thanks.

Carter Subaru is where I got my used Impreza from on Monday. They know the process and are more than willing to work with you. A+. Joe deals with new sales, Scottie deals with used sales. Let me know if you need a referral ;). Its $100 :)

[Marzipan]

anyone can tell me the procedure for importing a used car (4 years old)?

Please and thank you.

See How to Import a Vehicle into Canada (http://www.riv.ca/english/html/how_to_import.html) from the RIV Web Site.

[michelb]

I've contacted RIV and they do not have a clue what is going on?????

I did call Volvo and they were very helpful, they refereed me back to RIV. I said RIV told me to call Volvo...LOL

What Volvo said was that the vehicle must adhere to thse standards from RIV's site:

ü Recall clearance letter
ü The vehicle must bear a manufacturer's valid U.S. statement of compliance label at the time of
importation.
ü The Registrar of Imported Vehicles will mail a Canadian statement of compliance label to you
after passing the federal inspection.
ü Valid alpha-numeric 17-digit VIN
ü Metric speedometer and odometer labels (provided by inspection centre)
ü Daytime running lights
ü Child restraint tether anchorage hardware kit


Volvo did use the old RIV list to see if the vehicle i'm interested in importing was admissiable....LOL

What a joke RIV is.

That's interesting - so Volvo didn't say anything about having to pay a large amount for the recall letter or having to pay for an inspection or anything like that?

Sounds like it might still be easy then; US Volvos have dual MPH/KPH display (interestingly enough our CND Volvo does not have MPH indicators (which is a bit of a pain - I got stopped for speeding in NY and I really had no idea how fast I was going (I was too panicked to do the conversion mentally)). And if our Volvo is any indication, there might not be anything do to for the DRLs (I think in our 99, there's a screw to remove to enable DRL - the Canadian version has a plug instead of a screw so you can't disable the DRLs).

[niceguy1234]

I live in BC and got my federal and provincial inspection performed at CTire. There were other options but having both inspections done at the same time within the hour just made more sense to me (cost was a little over $100). The provincial inspection sticker (which you do need to get your car titled and insured in BC) was stuck on the back of the inspection report. My understanding from the insurance agent is that you need to carry that inspection report (with sticker) for one year after bringing the car into the province.
Cheers, SS

PS: The high point of the inspection was the service manager apologizing when he brought the car up. "I'm sorry sir, I have to leave your car running because I don't know how to turn it off :) "

CT charge for Provincal inspection is a little bit more than the other authourized places that charge about $80-$90. But you save more time just stop at one place and have everything done. That is the trade off.

[niceguy1234]

Since it is very hard to find authourized dealers (Toyota, Honda ...) who are not willing to sell you NEW cars, is it cheaper and easier to find a independent auto broker to sell you a new car instead? Has anyone done that? Is it safe for your money in their hand before you have the car?

I found even you can find a dealer (very lucky) who can sell you a new one for exporting, you can't bargain with them, and end up paying MSRP. Do you agree?

[DSTU]

That's interesting - so Volvo didn't say anything about having to pay a large amount for the recall letter or having to pay for an inspection or anything like that?

Sounds like it might still be easy then; US Volvos have dual MPH/KPH display (interestingly enough our CND Volvo does not have MPH indicators (which is a bit of a pain - I got stopped for speeding in NY and I really had no idea how fast I was going (I was too panicked to do the conversion mentally)). And if our Volvo is any indication, there might not be anything do to for the DRLs (I think in our 99, there's a screw to remove to enable DRL - the Canadian version has a plug instead of a screw so you can't disable the DRLs).

Thanks,

I e-mailed and called them but they were unable to provide any info on why we need Volvo's permisssion. The person at Volvo said that a 2006 XC90 was on the admissibility list previously so its admissible.

So I contacted RIV and asked about what happens at the Border since on the RIV list its not marked as admissible and I hit a stupid block at RIV - they didn't know what to say?

[ceruleanblue]

Since it is very hard to find authourized dealers (Toyota, Honda ...) who are not willing to sell you NEW cars, is it cheaper and easier to find a independent auto broker to sell you a new car instead? Has anyone done that? Is it safe for your money in their hand before you have the car?

I talked to a broker and he said that I could do all the dealing and he'd go pick up the vehicle for me and buy it for me. He had a flat rate of $1000. I don't know if it's risky or not, or how legitimate these brokers are.

I found even you can find a dealer (very lucky) who can sell you a new one for exporting, you can't bargain with them, and end up paying MSRP. Do you agree?I am not sure if I understand this question.

[talabial]

I also was looking for broker and found one guy who got it for me new car
so I paid directly to toyota dealership for the car and then paid to broker his fee after registration

I talked to a broker and he said that I could do all the dealing and he'd go pick up the vehicle for me and buy it for me. He had a flat rate of $1000. I don't know if it's risky or not, or how legitimate these brokers are.

I am not sure if I understand this question.

[satguy80]

See How to Import a Vehicle into Canada (http://www.riv.ca/english/html/how_to_import.html) from the RIV Web Site.

How do you get registration from before coming back to Canada?

How and where do you get temp plates to drive to the border and home/canadian tire?

When do you do the emmision test?

Thanks.

[J233]

Since it is very hard to find authourized dealers (Toyota, Honda ...) who are not willing to sell you NEW cars, is it cheaper and easier to find a independent auto broker to sell you a new car instead? Has anyone done that? Is it safe for your money in their hand before you have the car?

I found even you can find a dealer (very lucky) who can sell you a new one for exporting, you can't bargain with them, and end up paying MSRP. Do you agree?


A broker will buy a car for you from a US dealer (they have their relationships but buying NEW is becoming increasingly diffcult for brokers too). He/she will negotiate the price so everybody is happy. You will need to find one that offers a turn key solution - meaning that you buy from his/hers Canadian business and the service includes RIV, transportation and plating the car. You give deposit and pay the rest with delivery of your vehicle.You want to be protected from what may go wrong between your broker and his US dealer as well as everchanging RIV policies. Otherwise, I don't see any value - I can call dealers too and make a deal myself.

[jponce]

How do you get registration from before coming back to Canada?
How and where do you get temp plates to drive to the border and home/canadian tire?

When do you do the emmision test?

Thanks.


You don't/can't get registration before coming back. The dealer I got my car from gave me transit permit good for 3 days ($29).It was only good in the US.
I could have got the same from Alberta Registries. I had State police following me in Wash. looking at the permit taped to the rear window. All you need is insurance, the dealer wont let the car go otherwise.

In Alberta if you have a valid plate from a registered car, (like the one I just sold). You can put that plate onto a newly purchased vehicle and you get 14 days to register it. Just keep the Bill of Sale/Purchase Order with you until your all registered. Ont. must be similar.

I drove thru BC/AB with the US permit, I guess I could have taken my current plate with me but my plan was too plead ignorance otherwise. Just get the insurance and a transit permit for the US and one for Canada. (US/Canadian customs don't really care about car registration).

We don't require emission testing in Alberta, but I assume that importing from the US this is similar to bringing in a car from another province or buying a used car.

[rummyd]

In my case it took the dealer 12 days to get my MSO
Does anyone have recent confirmation that Toyota USA is giving out recall letters like vim mentioned? And is RIV still accepting printouts?

I'm in the process of importing my 2007 RAV4 (just waiting on my Form 2 to come from RIV). 2 weeks ago, I called for and got the Recall letter from Toyota in about 15 minutes. They faxed it to two numbers for me right away, and even mailed me a hard copy to Edmonton that I received 2 weeks later. To top it off she was nice enough to phone me the day after faxing the letter to ensure I had received it successfully.

I did all of this far ahead of time so I was able to scan and e-mail the hard copy to RIV instead of refaxing an already blurry sheet of paper.

The Toyota person I spoke with was very helpful and you shouldn't have any problems. I just used the phone number off of the RIV site.

Good luck!

[real_term]

If I want to buy a used car from a dealer do I need to have lien check on the vehical? Anyone???

[jadeboy]

Since it is very hard to find authourized dealers (Toyota, Honda ...) who are not willing to sell you NEW cars, is it cheaper and easier to find a independent auto broker to sell you a new car instead? Has anyone done that? Is it safe for your money in their hand before you have the car?

I found even you can find a dealer (very lucky) who can sell you a new one for exporting, you can't bargain with them, and end up paying MSRP. Do you agree?

Going with a broker is fine, as long as he's bonded and got his license information and you can get a referal. PM me if you want someone in the west of the US.

[sachin1]

Has anyone tried sending a CARFAX in for the recall documentation?

Toyota doesnt seem to be issuing any recall letters

[Monsieurmaggot]

In Alberta if you have a valid plate from a registered car, (like the one I just sold). You can put that plate onto a newly purchased vehicle and you get 14 days to register it. Just keep the Bill of Sale/Purchase Order with you until your all registered. Ont. must be similar.

Nope. In Ontario you cannot transfer the metal plates on any vehicle until it is properly registered.

You are required to drive with a temporary sticker (affixed to the inside front passenger window) until properly plated.

If memory serves me, an improperly plated car carries a $90 fine. If insurance is lacking, it's considerably higher. The fine also includes those knuckleheads in Ontario who drive without a front plate.

[ceruleanblue]

Has anyone else been looking into purchasing an RDX in the U.S.? I've been looking at the Elite which I believe compares to the Sport/Entertainment package in the U.S. if I add roof rails to the U.S. model (although the Canadian model has the headlight washers which aren't available at all in the U.S. and I can't seem to find power liftgate on the U.S. specs which the Canadian model has). Anyway, the difference is $15122 (not including freight, tax, or any other fees), just using MSRP. Both the U.S. and Canadian dealers will deal on the price, I know people here who've got approx. $3000 off MSRP. But then they've also got a cash deal incentive of $7000 right now in Canada (and it was $9000 last month!!) on top of the regular bargaining.

There is also the possibility of having to pay the Green Levy on the MDX bought in the U.S., which would be $3000, plus my trip down there (I live at least 15 hours away from an Acura dealer in the U.S.), and of course I wouldn't have a warranty. So, it seems to me that I am nearing a point where the time and aggravation of importing might not be worth it.

I know there are people here who bought an MDX, can they provide any perspective? and did you have to pay the Green Levy when you came across the border?

[J233]

If I want to buy a used car from a dealer do I need to have lien check on the vehical? Anyone???

A title will show this info.

[satguy80]

You don't/can't get registration before coming back. The dealer I got my car from gave me transit permit good for 3 days ($29).It was only good in the US.
I could have got the same from Alberta Registries. I had State police following me in Wash. looking at the permit taped to the rear window. All you need is insurance, the dealer wont let the car go otherwise.

In Alberta if you have a valid plate from a registered car, (like the one I just sold). You can put that plate onto a newly purchased vehicle and you get 14 days to register it. Just keep the Bill of Sale/Purchase Order with you until your all registered. Ont. must be similar.

I drove thru BC/AB with the US permit, I guess I could have taken my current plate with me but my plan was too plead ignorance otherwise. Just get the insurance and a transit permit for the US and one for Canada. (US/Canadian customs don't really care about car registration).

We don't require emission testing in Alberta, but I assume that importing from the US this is similar to bringing in a car from another province or buying a used car.

BUT im buying a used car (4 years old) from a private guy in Michigan.

I need to know if I need a registration and transit permit and from which country?

[bargainhuntr]

Has anyone tried sending a CARFAX in for the recall documentation?

Toyota doesnt seem to be issuing any recall letters

Received my recall clearance letter from Toyota as of January 3. Faxed and mailed the same day. Didn't require it though as I got a printout from the dealer that was accepted by RIV.

[reddy54]

Since it is very hard to find authourized dealers (Toyota, Honda ...) who are not willing to sell you NEW cars, is it cheaper and easier to find a independent auto broker to sell you a new car instead? Has anyone done that? Is it safe for your money in their hand before you have the car?

I found even you can find a dealer (very lucky) who can sell you a new one for exporting, you can't bargain with them, and end up paying MSRP. Do you agree?

Here are a couple of points to consider. If you use a broker you may be able to save some PST on a trade in vehicle if you are selling your old car privately. You can get the USA dealer to discount if you convince him that you have a residence in the USA. Get a P.O. box at a mail boxes etc type of place in a low tax state like NH and open a cheap USA cell phone account and have the bill sent to the NH address. This should be enough for the USA car dealer that you have a residence in USA and he will sell to you

[dsds]

The Toyota person I spoke with was very helpful and you shouldn't have any problems. I just used the phone number off of the RIV site.

Good luck!

Thanks for the update!! I'm going in on a second import with a lot less stress.

[niceguy1234]

Received my recall clearance letter from Toyota as of January 3. Faxed and mailed the same day. Didn't require it though as I got a printout from the dealer that was accepted by RIV.

Can you tell me the email address of RIV that you email your Form 1 and recall letter to request the Form 2?

[mole11]

Just looking for a little help here. I have a relative that is living in New York state right now, but is a resident of California (with California drivers license). I have a dealer in New York state, that will sell her the vehicle and also charge no tax (because of her California address). What is the process to import the car? Does the bill of sale get faxed to U.S. customs in her name? How about the recall letter? I would think that the recall letter is pertinent to the vehicle not owner. Do we do up a bill of sale with each other and then I present that to Cdn. customs when I pay the gst? I'm ready to pull the trigger, I just want to clear up this remaining issue. Thanks, any info will be useful. You can pm if you wish. Thanks

[bulgurc]

There is some info at this posting (end of posting)
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5481021&postcount=1

However if somebody done this, I would like to get some info too. I might try to use that route, too. Any info/experiences is appreciated

[rummyd]

Can you tell me the email address of RIV that you email your Form 1 and recall letter to request the Form 2?


You can scan and e-mail your Form 1 to: info@riv.ca

You can scan and e-mail your Recall letter to: recall@riv.ca

[ceruleanblue]

Just looking for a little help here. I have a relative that is living in New York state right now, but is a resident of California (with California drivers license). I have a dealer in New York state, that will sell her the vehicle and also charge no tax (because of her California address). What is the process to import the car? Does the bill of sale get faxed to U.S. customs in her name? How about the recall letter? I would think that the recall letter is pertinent to the vehicle not owner. Do we do up a bill of sale with each other and then I present that to Cdn. customs when I pay the gst? I'm ready to pull the trigger, I just want to clear up this remaining issue. Thanks, any info will be useful. You can pm if you wish. ThanksDouble check that you don't have to pay the CA sales tax. I looked into a dealer in MI and they have some agreement with CA that they collect CA sales tax for CA. I'd make sure so you don't get a surprise since CA sales tax is something like 7.25%

[bababui]

My Rogue is finally plated!!!
I took it for CT inspection today (it was a joke, guy asked me if it has immobilizer:) and then to licencing office to get the plates and pay pst. Everything went really smooth, I just need to attach the plates now and that's it.
Big thanks to everyone on this forum, specially to those who shared all the great info. I ended up saving more than 8K! Enjoying my car partially thanks to this forum, carswithoutborders and other good people who fought immobilizer issue.

Please pm me if you need any of the details of my import story (dealer info, prices, so on)

[d-kim]

RIV list has been updated.


Can anything be done by those manufacturers that say: call the manufacturer for admissibility?

Tried calling the manufacturer, and they just they don't know if the vehicle is importable either.

[03terminator]

RIV list has been updated.

Doesn't look like anything has changed.

Can anything be done by those manufacturers that say: call the manufacturer for admissibility?

Tried calling the manufacturer, and they just they don't know if the vehicle is importable either.

Volvo has changed and BMW has moved to block US motorcycles.

[dreaderus]

stupid question, i have an old car with beat up plates and the sticker for this year is messed up i had to tape it on the plate.

how should i proceed get new plates then turn in my old ones once i get rid of my old car? id like a nice clean plate or should i go get replacement for my existing plates

[Marzipan]

stupid question, i have an old car with beat up plates and the sticker for this year is messed up i had to tape it on the plate.

how should i proceed get new plates then turn in my old ones once i get rid of my old car? id like a nice clean plate or should i go get replacement for my existing plates

If your plates are damaged you are probably required to get them replaced. You may not tamper with them.

[giasone]

Does anyone know if the Canadian rebates still apply if the car was purchased in the States.

Thanks in advance - Jason.

[dreaderus]

If your plates are damaged you are probably required to get them replaced. You may not tamper with them.

lol settle down, they are in fine condition just been on my car for 15 years

Dreaderus

[accorder]

Does anyone know if the Canadian rebates still apply if the car was purchased in the States.

Thanks in advance - Jason.

No. guess the thread is too long for you to read through.

[Prof]

Thanks to all the contributors who made the process remarkably easy. Plated the first of two planned purchases today. Bought a very low mileage, loaded (love the keyless igniton) Sentra that is just old enough to qualify for warranty. It still smells new inside. My wife will drive it. Being closer to the entry end of the scale, savings are not huge but conservatively 4K plus. Time at the dealership, 45 minutes, time at the border 20-25 minutes. Lots of steps but nothing hard. Having done it once, it will be a breeze the second time. The least enjoyable part was the flight down.

I'm now after something for myself. Thanks to those who responded with possible cooperative Toyota dealers on the west side of the US. Looking Camry, Altima etc. Perfer new but I'm OK with slightly used so finding one shouldn't be a huge problem.

One down; one to go.

[Marzipan]

Does anyone know if the Canadian rebates still apply if the car was purchased in the States.

Thanks in advance - Jason.

I believe the ecoAUTO Web Page says for vehicles purchased in Canada (or from Canadian dealers) for the rebate. But guess what, the gas guzzler tax applies to imports as well.

ecoAUTO rebate is largely a subsidy to vehicle manufacturers. They just reprice eligible vehicles higher knowing buyers respond to the cost after all incentives.

[eastsidesubaru]

Can anyone recommend a Subaru salesman/dealership in Washington state? Most of the references I've seen are for dealers back east.

Thanks.

Hi Ryan. I can help, although Subaru has unfortunately discontinued rebates and all dealer incentives which has affected pricing quite a bit. However, depending on what model you want, there are still good savings to be had.
Give me a call =)

[crasher]

Does anyone know if the Canadian rebates still apply if the car was purchased in the States.

Thanks in advance - Jason.

You only get provincial rebate, no federal rebate.
Stupid TC minister Mr. A** H**** Cannon wrote to me that they can not determine if the car imported is a new, so can not process the rebate. Here in ontario MTO was smart to know car with manufacturer title is new, so they issued the rebate promptly.

[niceguy1234]

You can scan and e-mail your Form 1 to: info@riv.ca

You can scan and e-mail your Recall letter to: recall@riv.ca

Do I need to email the Form 1 and Recall letter seperately. I though everything will email to info@riv.ca

[danno567]

Thank you very much for this post. I have purchased and just arrived home with my 2007 Toyota Sienna. With 10k Miles, I still have 26k on the Warr + an additional 100k, 7 year on the engine. The flight down to Seattle was good, and the dealership I did biz with was 10/10. Customs were 10/10 and took no time at all. My dealership had all the paper work faxed before , and had it all organized for the crossing.

If you live in Alberta, or are looking for a Toyota Dealer that may be able to help you out, pm me and I can give you details.

I figure I saved around 8k on the deal.

Well worth it!

[jnmontario]

DOES THIS MEAN WHAT I THINK IT MEANS?

On pg. 2 of the VAFUS.pdf (TC importation document from http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/VAFUS.pdf) it staes:
"Vehicles equipped with such systems will require confirmation of the presence of that system at the time of the RIV inspection. They are listed as admissible with a special annotation [EIS] regarding the immobilizer. Demonstration of the presence of an electronic immobilizer can be done through one of the following means:
[edit]
Presentation of the vehicle window sticker (Monroney label) showing the vehicle identification number and indicating the presence of an immobilizer"

We no longer have to contact the manufacturer to ask for a letter saying that the vehicle complies with CMVSS114?

[Snocow]

DOES THIS MEAN WHAT I THINK IT MEANS?

On pg. 2 of the VAFUS.pdf (TC importation document from http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/VAFUS.pdf) it staes:
"Vehicles equipped with such systems will require confirmation of the presence of that system at the time of the RIV inspection. They are listed as admissible with a special annotation [EIS] regarding the immobilizer. Demonstration of the presence of an electronic immobilizer can be done through one of the following means:
[edit]
Presentation of the vehicle window sticker (Monroney label) showing the vehicle identification number and indicating the presence of an immobilizer"

We no longer have to contact the manufacturer to ask for a letter saying that the vehicle complies with CMVSS114?


What Is A Monroney Sticker?
[KS] Although prices can sometimes be negotiable, automobiles are the only consumer items required by law to carry manufacturer suggested retail price stickers. This sticker, also called a Monroney label, is attached to a window of the vehicle. It shows the base price of that model, including all standard equipment; manufacturer-installed options and their retail prices; transportation or freight charges (also known as destination or delivery charges); and the total manufacturer's suggested retail price. Details about the average fuel economy for the vehicle are required on all cars and light trucks; this information is usually included on the Monroney label, but will sometimes be found on a separate sticker, the EPA [Environmental Protection Agency] Fuel Economy Label. The Monroney label may not be removed by anyone other than the purchaser.

The legislation requiring the sticker is commonly known as the Monroney Law, named after its sponsor in Congress, Almer Stillwell "Mike" Monroney (1902-1980): Born in Oklahoma; U.S. Representative from Oklahoma, 1939-51; U.S. Senator from Oklahoma, 1951-69.

[giasone]

You only get provincial rebate, no federal rebate.
Stupid TC minister Mr. A** H**** Cannon wrote to me that they can not determine if the car imported is a new, so can not process the rebate. Here in ontario MTO was smart to know car with manufacturer title is new, so they issued the rebate promptly.


Thanks for the information, now I just need to find someone that has imported a Toyota Camry Hybrid who is willing to share their experience.

[xcel]

Shipping my car to buffalo or around Queenston/lewiston bridge area. Need to tell the shipper where I can meet in that area and take delivery of Vehicle.

What location I shall give to shipper ? Mall, park, rest area ??? Anyone familiar with the buffalo & queenston lewiston bridge area, please help.

[jnmontario]

What Is A Monroney Sticker?
[KS] Although prices can sometimes be negotiable, automobiles are the only consumer items required by law to carry manufacturer suggested retail price stickers. This sticker, also called a Monroney label, is attached to a window of the vehicle. It shows the base price of that model, including all standard equipment...

But again, most importantly, does that not mean that TC and the RIV will now accept the window sticker to state the immobilizer is compliant with CMVSS114? In my mind this means that all I need to do is find a Toyota dealership in NE USA, buy a Prius, and drive it to Canada (w/ recall and border paperwork etc) but NEVER have to contact Toyota of America to get them to send me a letter stating the vehicle is CMVSS114 compliant.

This is good news!

[yyz2hkg]

Shipping my car to buffalo or around Queenston/lewiston bridge area. Need to tell the shipper where I can meet in that area and take delivery of Vehicle.

What location I shall give to shipper ? Mall, park, rest area ??? Anyone familiar with the buffalo & queenston lewiston bridge area, please help.

Closest I can think is the Niagara Falls Prime Outlet Mall. Do some shopping then cross...LoL.

About 9 mins according to google maps, but I say more like 6 mins.

http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=7294472040201537109,43.097385,-78.974965&time=&date=&ttype=&saddr=1900+Military+Rd+Niagara+Falls,+NY+14304,+US A&daddr=Queenston+Lewiston+bridge&sll=43.101986,-78.977623&sspn=0.01573,0.028925&ie=UTF8&z=13&om=1

[gregolds]

Just looking for a little help here. I have a relative that is living in New York state right now, but is a resident of California (with California drivers license). I have a dealer in New York state, that will sell her the vehicle and also charge no tax (because of her California address). What is the process to import the car? Does the bill of sale get faxed to U.S. customs in her name? How about the recall letter? I would think that the recall letter is pertinent to the vehicle not owner. Do we do up a bill of sale with each other and then I present that to Cdn. customs when I pay the gst? I'm ready to pull the trigger, I just want to clear up this remaining issue. Thanks, any info will be useful. You can pm if you wish. Thanks
Best not to let the dealer know car is being exported. Send the money to your relative and have her send it to the dealer. Dealers invoice will be in her name and the Certificate of Origin will be in her name. Send a copy of Certificate to US Customs 72 hours before you will cross with the vehicle.
Have a bill of sale from your relative to you with you and dated for that day. Your relative is the exporter of record and you are the importer of record. US Customs will stamp your original COO and off to the Canadian Border Tax Collectors. I did exactly that with my new Honda.

[bulgurc]

Best not to let the dealer know car is being exported. Send the money to your relative and have her send it to the dealer. Dealers invoice will be in her name and the Certificate of Origin will be in her name. Send a copy of Certificate to US Customs 72 hours before you will cross with the vehicle.
Have a bill of sale from your relative to you with you and dated for that day. Your relative is the exporter of record and you are the importer of record. US Customs will stamp your original COO and off to the Canadian Border Tax Collectors. I did exactly that with my new Honda.

Gregolds, did you drive the car to the border yourself? Of so, did the dealer have a problem with it? Did they question you at US customs because the name on COO was not yourself?

[scrolllock]

Robert Lamb, the one who co-founded the www.carswithoutborders.com (http://www.carswithoutborders.com)web site and was in the Montreal Gazette with his famous Honda Civic in the garage will be on the Chorus Network on Sunday 1:00 P.M. est.

Zack Spencer hosts a weekly national radio show called Driving which is heard across Canada on the Corus Radio Network on the following radio stations.

CKNW-Vancouver 980 AM, CFAX-Victoria 1070 AM, CHNL-Kamloops 610 AM, CKOV-Kelowna 63o AM, CKOR-Penticton 800 AM, CJOR-Oliver, CHED-Edmonton 630 AM, CHQR-Calgary 770 AM, CKOM-Saskatoon, CJME-Regina, CJOB-Winnipeg 680 AM, CFPL-London 980 AM, CHML-Hamilton 900AM, CFMJ-Toronto 640AM, and CINW-Montreal 940AM.

Driving airs live at 10am Pacific, 11am Mountain, Noon Central and 1pm Eastern time. All of the previous broadcasts are available on this website for you to listen to them again.

Zack also Hosts Driving Television seen every week across Canada on the Global Television Network. You can catch his shows on his Web site at www.motormouth.ca

[alanbrenton]

Best not to let the dealer know car is being exported. Send the money to your relative and have her send it to the dealer. Dealers invoice will be in her name and the Certificate of Origin will be in her name. Send a copy of Certificate to US Customs 72 hours before you will cross with the vehicle.
Have a bill of sale from your relative to you with you and dated for that day. Your relative is the exporter of record and you are the importer of record. US Customs will stamp your original COO and off to the Canadian Border Tax Collectors. I did exactly that with my new Honda.

Has Honda Canada changed its mind about voiding the manufacturer's warranty for imported vehicles from the US? Or did you bite the bullet because of the huge price difference across the border?

How is the warranty for US bought Lexus, Audi, and BMW? I read a few weeks back that Lexus and BMW Canada honor the warranty, what about Audi Canada?

Which third party warranty provider in Ontario would cover US bought vehicles?

Thanks.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Robert Lamb, the one who co-founded the www.carswithoutborders.com (http://www.carswithoutborders.com)web site and was in the Montreal Gazette with his famous Honda Civic in the garage will be on the Chorus Network on Sunday 1:00 P.M. est.

Zack Spencer hosts a weekly national radio show called Driving which is heard across Canada on the Corus Radio Network on the following radio stations.

Zack also Hosts Driving Television seen every week across Canada on the Global Television Network. You can catch his shows on his Web site at www.motormouth.ca

That's great but Zack is a automotive corporate lacky. His shows and sites continually plug automobile manufacturers and dealers.

There's no way that someone who relies on "automotive" test vehicles could be subjective on this delicate subject.

He still could cast doubt in a listeners' ear using the "be careful" argument.

I sent the Driving site a bunch of comments about how easy it actually is to import a car and it was never posted.

The only written press reporters I've seen who consistently present the accurate facts:

The former newspaper reporter and editor in Victoria who got fired for saying cars in Canada are overpriced and that form of collusion could be taking place.

Greg "something or other" from the Globe and Mail.

Jim Kenzie (contributor to Wheels.ca).

Can't think of anyone else I've read who I trust to present the facts.

[wrigley]

My brother lives in the states. I'm thinking of getting him to buy a car and I will drive it back to Canada. The ownership and plates will be in his name, but I will be driving it here. He will have to get a new sticker for the plate every year and I'll have to check with my insurance company. Does any forsee any problems?

I lived in California for four years in the mid 80's, drove my car down there and never had to change the plates. My insurance was from Geico and I even had an accident and had no problems with the claim.

[Monsieurmaggot]

My brother lives in the states. I'm thinking of getting him to buy a car and I will drive it back to Canada. The ownership and plates will be in his name, but I will be driving it here. He will have to get a new sticker for the plate every year and I'll have to check with my insurance company. Does any forsee any problems?

I lived in California for four years in the mid 80's, drove my car down there and never had to change the plates. My insurance was from Geico and I even had an accident and had no problems with the claim.

What province will you be driving in?

I have a co-worker in Ontario have a car registered in his parents name another province (Alberta) and drove it in Ontario. He used it to save on insurance. Unfortunately he was stopped for speeding and was subsequently charged for failing to register the vehicle properly. I can't recall exactly what the charge was but it related to the fact that he was considered the primary driver of the vehicle and his residency (more than six months a year) was Ontario. It was about $300.

This is similar to people who use use "grandmas" car full-time. You can get away with that providing your in the same province and your listed as the primary driver. Nobody cares who owns the car.

I'm no expert and perhaps someone can enlighten us on the specifics.

[Matty]

Just heard the whole thing. Was very impressed w/ the host's stance. He was really on the consumer's side. I heard practically no manufacturer/dealer brown nosing.

Guest Robert Lamb from carswithoutborders should be commended for doing the show. Although I was actually surprised that he wasn't as forthcoming with info and resources (no RFD plugs, by the way, which I found unusual) as he could've been. Perhaps a quiet stance is better sometimes. It was sorta funny, host Zach asked one or two questions that weren't fully answered, and then pretty much completed the answers, and for the most part he was very accurate. Sounds like he's actually on our side.

I'd like to know what MM, diigii, and all other RFD'ers thought.

Oh, unrelated, but related, but some good news: my MP wrote back following my letter to her about immobilizers! Will post later...

[Danno2005]

That's great but Zack is a automotive corporate lacky. His shows and sites continually plug automobile manufacturers and dealers.

There's no way that someone who relies on "automotive" test vehicles could be subjective on this delicate subject.

He still could cast doubt in a listeners' ear using the "be careful" argument.

I sent the Driving site a bunch of comments about how easy it actually is to import a car and it was never posted.

The only written press reporters I've seen who consistently present the accurate facts:

The former newspaper reporter and editor in Victoria who got fired for saying cars in Canada are overpriced and that form of collusion could be taking place.

Greg "something or other" from the Globe and Mail.

Jim Kenzie (contributor to Wheels.ca).

Can't think of anyone else I've read who I trust to present the facts.

I would not put Kenzie on the trusted list. His commentary on Motoring 2008, 3 or 4 weeks ago was on American prices and buying Canadian.

He basically said buy in Canada to support the local car industry.

I sent him an e-mail challenging his points and he never replied.

:evil:

[Monsieurmaggot]

I would not put Kenzie on the trusted list. His commentary on Motoring 2008, 3 or 4 weeks ago was on American prices and buying Canadian.

He basically said buy in Canada to support the local car industry.

I sent him an e-mail challenging his points and he never replied.

:evil:

Fair enough. But I believe it was in the paper (or on Motoring) where he told Ford to get their act together since some of their cars in Canada were overpriced.

A few RFDers actually commented about those remarks earlier in this thread.

[crasher]

Thanks for the information, now I just need to find someone that has imported a Toyota Camry Hybrid who is willing to share their experience.

I imported the same, and it is an excellent vehicle. I had to put fog lights to have it DRL approved. Now I wired the fog lights with low beam. Winter hit my fuel efficiency still I average around 35mpg with normal driving.

[KAN]

Thanks for the information, now I just need to find someone that has imported a Toyota Camry Hybrid who is willing to share their experience.

This exactly the car I want too. I am thinking of not buying Toyota because of their stupid and unethical policies.

[crasher]

This exactly the car I want too. I am thinking of not buying Toyota because of their stupid and unethical policies.

Actually Toyota is not so bad, when compared with Honda, or Chrysler. Toyota still honour their (extended) warranty. Just be little creative or call numerous dealers in US, and you can import it easily.
They dont even charge thousands for one stupid recall letter like MB or BMW. Hybrid will give you almost twice the mileage than comparable regular gas car, lower regular maintenance and 8 years of warranty on hybrid components.
It is so relieve when I drive past gas pumps with ever increasing prices.

[zircon]

That's great but Zack is a automotive corporate lacky. His shows and sites continually plug automobile manufacturers and dealers.

There's no way that someone who relies on "automotive" test vehicles could be subjective on this delicate subject.

He still could cast doubt in a listeners' ear using the "be careful" argument.

I sent the Driving site a bunch of comments about how easy it actually is to import a car and it was never posted.

The only written press reporters I've seen who consistently present the accurate facts:

The former newspaper reporter and editor in Victoria who got fired for saying cars in Canada are overpriced and that form of collusion could be taking place.

Greg "something or other" from the Globe and Mail.

Jim Kenzie (contributor to Wheels.ca).

Can't think of anyone else I've read who I trust to present the facts.

One more reporter, perhaps the best in the business, and the most frank with respect to what has happened: David Booth of the National Post. He has outright said prices are crazy and that they must come down. Most of the Globe and Mail and Toronto Star people are advertising hacks.

[diigii]

Sorry, I haven't been on in here for quite awhile. Been busy with work and that internet access at work has been fully restricted. When I get home after work, I'm just too tired to follow up and post my insights.

Anyway, I missed the radio segment so I couldn't really comment on it. I checked the Zach Spencer's website to listen but the segment is not available yet. I'll post my insight once I hear it.


Just heard the whole thing. Was very impressed w/ the host's stance. He was really on the consumer's side. I heard practically no manufacturer/dealer brown nosing.

Guest Robert Lamb from carswithoutborders should be commended for doing the show. Although I was actually surprised that he wasn't as forthcoming with info and resources (no RFD plugs, by the way, which I found unusual) as he could've been. Perhaps a quiet stance is better sometimes. It was sorta funny, host Zach asked one or two questions that weren't fully answered, and then pretty much completed the answers, and for the most part he was very accurate. Sounds like he's actually on our side.

I'd like to know what MM, diigii, and all other RFD'ers thought.

Oh, unrelated, but related, but some good news: my MP wrote back following my letter to her about immobilizers! Will post later...

[diigii]

I would not take that against Jim Kenzie if he said he'll support the local car industry. That is his own money he'll spent and he can spent it anyway he wants. Same with us, we can spent our money however we want whether we want to buy locally or import to save money.

But if you read Jim Kenzie's car reviews, then you will get a sense of his impartiality in reviewing a new car, even if it's supplied by the car manufacturer for review purposes. He will give his honest opinion whether a car is worth the buck for its interior quality, engine and mechanical performance, comfort level and overall build quality. Almost always, he will criticize every car he's ever reviewed with manufacturing flaws, poor interior materials or even a company's poor decision in marketing or lack of options . And he's not cutting his view short when it comes to SUVs, which he always trashes for not worth driving. Further evidence is his long time ownership of his ever reliable Hornet and honest admission that his job affords him to drive new cars all the time.

I've been a long-time Saturday Star reader mainly for its Wheels section since 1991. I also read the automotive sections of the Globe and Mail and National Post and see which writers are biased and impartial. But for the last 3 years, I've grown tired of opening these sections only to see almost 75% of every page covered in car and dealer ads. So I just decided not to buy the papers anymore and just read their on-line versions.

I would not put Kenzie on the trusted list. His commentary on Motoring 2008, 3 or 4 weeks ago was on American prices and buying Canadian.

He basically said buy in Canada to support the local car industry.

I sent him an e-mail challenging his points and he never replied.

:evil:

[Danno2005]

Just to clarify, I was speaking specifically about Kenzie's piece on buying in Canada vs. US.

I do have a lot of respect for his opinions on new cars and trends.

[whampoa]

About Jim Kenzie, here are his assessment on 2008 Ford Mustang Bullit edition.

http://www.wheels.ca/article/32661


"WHAT'S BEST: Strong, well-balanced performance; excellent handling; traditional rear-drive feel; exclusivity

WHAT'S WORST: How little the Americans pay for it

But in the States, the car lists at $31,075, which at an exchange rate of $1.10 is $28,250 Canadian. That's a difference of $10,244, or 36 per cent, more in Canada!

No amount of "higher cost of doing business in Canada" can explain that away.

So if you want a Mustang Bullitt, there's got to be a Ford dealer in Buffalo who would love to see your big fat Canadian loonies – if a Canadian dealer can't tempt you with incentives."


I wouldn't say he's always on the side of the manufacturer. Likely more on the consumer when price is out of whack.

[satguy80]

Anyone know if you have to pay the 6.1% duty tax on USED cars that were not made in North America?

Thanks.

[Rehan]

Anyone know if you have to pay the 6.1% duty tax on USED cars that were not made in North America? Yes, you do. It doesn't matter if they're new or used.

[satguy80]

Yes, you do. It doesn't matter if they're new or used.

Was this not paid when the guy bought the car new in the states? This kinda kills the deal on buying a $30K+ car. If a car costs $30K you have to pay another $6K just in taxes and duty...WOW. (PST + GST + Duty + recall letter + form fees).

[Albertan]

Was this not paid when the guy bought the car new in the states? This kinda kills the deal on buying a $30K+ car. If a car costs $30K you have to pay another $6K just in taxes and duty...WOW. (PST + GST + Duty + recall letter + form fees).



Stop and think about for one second... :rolleyes:

[Albertan]

One seconds up!

... Hint: Why would an American pay the Canadian duty on the purchase of his new car?

[Fox2k]

Was this not paid when the guy bought the car new in the states? This kinda kills the deal on buying a $30K+ car. If a car costs $30K you have to pay another $6K just in taxes and duty...WOW. (PST + GST + Duty + recall letter + form fees).

You're only paying 6% + some minimal fees (less than $500) compared to buying in Canada. Do you think you will be exempt from gst and pst if you buy here??

[Matty]

I had written to my MP, Bev Oda, about a month ago, voicing my displeasure with TC's immobilizer rules, and about the huge discrepancy between Canadian and US car prices.

She wrote back!

I quote:

"Dear Mr. [blank]:

Thank you for your letter concerning Canada-US price parity and regulations concerning immobilizers for vehicles.

Our government has spoken out quite strongly about the need for retailers to ensure their prices reflect the current value of the Canadian dollar. Please find enclosed a press release containing details of a recent announcement specifically designed to amend regulations concerning anti-theft immobilizers and to ease the import of vehicles from the US.

It is my hope that manufacturers will take steps to ensure price parity and our government will continue to encourage them to do so.

I hope you find the enclosed information helpful. Thank you again for contacting me about this issue.

Sincerely,
The Honourable Bev Oda, MP (Durham) And Minister of International Cooperation "

[And she enclosed a copy of the Transport Canada immobilizer PR from Dec. 19, 2007]

[derslade]

Anyone up to speed on Chrysler's 'New Canadian Pricing' they're advertising at their websites?

This appears to be a response to the strong Canadian dollar. When I price out the Dodge Ram 3500 I'm interested in at both dodge.ca and dodge.com there is no longer the huge gap I saw before Christmas. They have dropped the price on the truck I'm looking at from a MSRP of $49,735 to $43,185. This discount of over $6000 compares more favourably with the dodge.com MSRP of $39,285.

Of course, the prices of options at the .ca site is still at the older inflated price, but I'm assuming that can be negotiated.

[Matty]

...from a MSRP of $49,735 to $43,185. This discount of over $6000 compares more favourably with the dodge.com MSRP of $39,285.


I gotta say, that actually is getting into decent territory. That means the Cdn price is 10% more than the US price. I still feel that 3-5% difference would keep almost ALL of us shopping here in Canada, but 10% is in the ballpark I'd say.

Derslade, can you make some accurate checks re equipment/options on the truck the way you'd want it, and post your findings? Make sure to also add freight/PDI on each, since this is also a wildly varying figure from one country to the next.

[bulgurc]

I gotta say, that actually is getting into decent territory. That means the Cdn price is 10% more than the US price. I still feel that 3-5% difference would keep almost ALL of us shopping here in Canada, but 10% is in the ballpark I'd say.

Derslade, can you make some accurate checks re equipment/options on the truck the way you'd want it, and post your findings? Make sure to also add freight/PDI on each, since this is also a wildly varying figure from one country to the next.

I find generally cars here have more options as standard than the states

[Monsieurmaggot]

I gotta say, that actually is getting into decent territory. That means the Cdn price is 10% more than the US price. I still feel that 3-5% difference would keep almost ALL of us shopping here in Canada, but 10% is in the ballpark I'd say.

Derslade, can you make some accurate checks re equipment/options on the truck the way you'd want it, and post your findings? Make sure to also add freight/PDI on each, since this is also a wildly varying figure from one country to the next.

That's the first rule in retail marketing. The Canadian automotive dealers thrive on this motto: "Charge what the market can bear".

Why on earth would they need to drop the price any further? Many Canadian sheep (the ill-informed consumer) thinks they're getting a bargain now. In the last few weeks I've had a couple of co-workers thinking they got a bargain on a car because "the same exact car was $2000 more a few months ago. I didn't even need to haggle". Sadly that's the mentality out there. They commented on how the Canadian prices HAVE BEEN adjusted and are almost at parity with the US. When I asked them if they actually compared, they admitted they didn't!

Still get a chuckle looking at last weekend's paper. Almost everyone was had the cross-border theme.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I find generally cars here have more options as standard than the states

You're kidding right?

In my case, my car came with Two-tone leather perforated leather seats and a tire pressure monitoring system that wasn't offered in Canada. It was part of a special trim level not even considered in Canada.

There are others on this site who will confirm.

Also, I paid almost $20,000 less ($18,000 actually) buying in the States. I would have bought a loaded CIVIC in the US with what I saved.

[bulgurc]

I guess it depends what car you are getting. For the car I am interested (08 Toyota Highlander) I find Canadian version is a lot more "loaded". Either way they make option packages so different so it is harder to compare. I myself if the price difference is %5 or less, I would not mind buying here. That is reasonable, considering I am getting "more" car at the same price and different market. You also have to consider that there is a little bit risk involved importing, with RIV changes rules on the fly (Just ask people who are caught with the immobilizer issue). Also I cannot find any dealer who are willing to sell to me.

I went to local Toyota dealership this Saturday. They gave me a price of 63K (Out of the door price) for a car I could import for 43500 with all the taxes included. I asked them whether they could match it, the salesman practically threw me out. I feel bad for the dealerships. I think they are the one who is caught in between. My understanding is, Toyota itself is pocketing the difference.

You are right about the Cdn. consumer. They need to be more informed. However media is not picking this up much. Prices being higher 30-50% higher should be front page news.

[bulgurc]

Somewhere at this thread and the other How-to thread it was mentioned that one can use an US relative/friend. So the way I understand is:
1. Buy the car at your friends name.
2. Fax COO to US customs
3. Get a private Bill of Sale drawn from your friend to you.
4. Pick the car from the dealer
5. Drive the car to the border and get C00 stamped by the US customs
6. Go to Canadian customs and get it processed using the bill of Sale and the original receipt.

However I don't quite get is this: Here we have a car belonging to your friend for States as we never officially enacted on the sale (I am assuming selling a car is more involved than drawing a Bill of Sale. In Ontario when you buy a car you take it to MTO office and you become the registered owner of the vehicle. Nothing like that was done in States) and the same car belongs to you in Canada.

Can anybody comment on this?

[LoveRFD]

Has anybody purchased Subaru this year? I'm wondering what the prices are after SOA changed their policy.

[derslade]

I gotta say, that actually is getting into decent territory. That means the Cdn price is 10% more than the US price. I still feel that 3-5% difference would keep almost ALL of us shopping here in Canada, but 10% is in the ballpark I'd say.

Derslade, can you make some accurate checks re equipment/options on the truck the way you'd want it, and post your findings? Make sure to also add freight/PDI on each, since this is also a wildly varying figure from one country to the next.

RFD doesn't let me copy and paste my spreadsheet into a useful format here. However, not hard to replicate what I found for yourself.

Just go to http://dodge.com and http://dodge.ca and choose the Build It option. It will take you through the steps to price out the vehicle in each country. You can also find US dealer invoice and what the average American consumer paid at http://www.edmunds.com/new/2008/dodge/rampickup3500/100924642/optionsresults.html?action=2

[michelb]

... You also have to consider that there is a little bit risk involved importing, with RIV changes rules on the fly (Just ask people who are caught with the immobilizer issue). ...

It's not risky if you do your homework; the people that got 'caught' purchased vehicles that were not on the list with the assumption that they would be (e.g. 2008 Honda Civic) - the rules didn't change for them, they just didn't go their way. For those that bought the cars that were changed (e.g. 2008 Sienna), if you bought it before the rule change date, it was admissible, if you bought it after it wasn't - again anyone doing their homework would have been ok.

[michelb]

Somewhere at this thread and the other How-to thread it was mentioned that one can use an US relative/friend. So the way I understand is:
1. Buy the car at your friends name.
2. Fax COO to US customs
3. Get a private Bill of Sale drawn from your friend to you.
4. Pick the car from the dealer
5. Drive the car to the border and get C00 stamped by the US customs
6. Go to Canadian customs and get it processed using the bill of Sale and the original receipt.

However I don't quite get is this: Here we have a car belonging to your friend for States as we never officially enacted on the sale (I am assuming selling a car is more involved than drawing a Bill of Sale. In Ontario when you buy a car you take it to MTO office and you become the registered owner of the vehicle. Nothing like that was done in States) and the same car belongs to you in Canada.

Can anybody comment on this?

Some people might get away with this but technically it is permitted. For this method to always work, your friend needs to title/register (and pay US taxes if required) the vehicle in his state, get a Certificate of Title and then sell you the car by signing over the title (technically only licenced dealers can re-assign a car from the COO - some might have gotten through the cracks but you can't really on it). Similarly if you import a car into Ontario, technically you need to register it (and pay PST) before you can re-sell it although some claim to have been able to import but not register and sell using US title.

[jadeboy]

Some people might get away with this but technically it is permitted. For this method to always work, your friend needs to title/register (and pay US taxes if required) the vehicle in his state, get a Certificate of Title and then sell you the car by signing over the title (technically only licenced dealers can re-assign a car from the COO - some might have gotten through the cracks but you can't really on it). Similarly if you import a car into Ontario, technically you need to register it (and pay PST) before you can re-sell it although some claim to have been able to import but not register and sell using US title.

Or just get a broker, with a broker all you have to paid is his fee. You don't have to paid state sale tax. He will do all the paperwork for you.

[regrus]

Michelb: Not so fast. I got caught with a change to the RIV list on a used car.

I purchased a 2003 BMW Z4 on November 21st 2007. Before I could get the car back to Canada the RIV without notice changed the listed rules on November 26th.

The change affected me in that I must now pay BMW Canada for an admissibility letter before I can import. As well only BMW Canada dealerships can now make any necessary changes to bring my vehicle up to Canadian standards.

Prior to November 26th BMW USA dealers would issue a recall letter for free and program the daytime running lights for $45.00. Now my Canadian dealer wants $300.00 just to reprogram the daytime running lights.

On calling RIV they assured me that they had an understanding with BMW Canada that any vehicles purchased prior to the rule change on November 26th would be grandfathered. BUT when I phone BMW Canada (as well as being rude) they state RIV "misunderstood" and they are only going to "grandfather" if the vehicle was already in Canada on the date of the change to the RIV list.

My plan is to pay BMW and then spend the $100.00 filing fee's and sue them in small debts court. At least it will cost them some money to defend the law suit.

[evilution]

I'm looking to buy a used car from a private seller.

What is the best way to exchange money with the lowest exchange rate / transfer fee's.

I figure someone on here would have some suggestions.

Thank you.

[bulgurc]

Or just get a broker, with a broker all you have to paid is his fee. You don't have to paid state sale tax. He will do all the paperwork for you.

Probable I will end up doing that. Anybody who used a broker here though and like to share their name and experiences?

The only broker name I have is Fleet Bargains at this point with no known references...

There is real business opportunity here for a US resident...

[michelb]

Michelb: Not so fast. I got caught with a change to the RIV list on a used car.

I purchased a 2003 BMW Z4 on November 21st 2007. Before I could get the car back to Canada the RIV without notice changed the listed rules on November 26th.

The change affected me in that I must now pay BMW Canada for an admissibility letter before I can import. As well only BMW Canada dealerships can now make any necessary changes to bring my vehicle up to Canadian standards.

Prior to November 26th BMW USA dealers would issue a recall letter for free and program the daytime running lights for $45.00. Now my Canadian dealer wants $300.00 just to reprogram the daytime running lights.

On calling RIV they assured me that they had an understanding with BMW Canada that any vehicles purchased prior to the rule change on November 26th would be grandfathered. BUT when I phone BMW Canada (as well as being rude) they state RIV "misunderstood" and they are only going to "grandfather" if the vehicle was already in Canada on the date of the change to the RIV list.

My plan is to pay BMW and then spend the $100.00 filing fee's and sue them in small debts court. At least it will cost them some money to defend the law suit.

That's a total drag. Did you contact RIV and argue it with them? They said somewhere that those with a purchase date before the changes went into affect were treated under the old policy.

Hope this helps (although I suspect that unfortunately it's probably too late for you (i.e. you already caved to BMWs demands ...)

If nothing else, you still got a very nice car but it sucks if you got caught paying all that extra. Depending on how much it was, I'd probably still go after them for a refund (basically they forced you to pay for services that were not required - contact BBB and your local 'ActionLine' to see if you can get some assistance). Good luck

[thegradas]

http://www.xe.com/fx/


What is the best way to exchange money with the lowest exchange rate / transfer fee's.

[niceguy1234]

Does anyone know when should I pay the RIV fee? Do I pay the $206.70 at the boarder, or should I pay it over the internet / phone after I bring the car back to home?

[b_lum81]

Does anyone know when should I pay the RIV fee? Do I pay the $206.70 at the boarder, or should I pay it over the internet / phone after I bring the car back to home?

I paid online. Border agent told me to pay at home since they're too busy. This was at the truck crossing in British Columbia

[shopper-X]

I paid online. Border agent told me to pay at home since they're too busy. This was at the truck crossing in British Columbia

Portal, ND/North Portal, SK is the same. You pay when you get home online or by phone.

[nornet]

Volvo has changed and BMW has moved to block US motorcycles.
Is there any more information on BMW motorcycles available?

[regrus]

Is there any more information on BMW motorcycles available?

Funny you should ask! I went to the Motorcycle show in Edmonton this past weekend and who was there but a BMW guy from the Canadian Head office who told me he is responsible for issuing all recall letters for BMW motorcycles coming into Canada.

When I questioned him about the changes to the RIV admissibility list on January 10th 2008 re BMW motorcycles he became very defensive. He stated nothing had changed and if it had he would know.

He further stated "he" could supply a list of serial numbers to the RIV and ban any BMW motorcycles from entering Canada. He bragged "so far I haven't done that".

He also stated BMW could charge whatever they felt like for a recall letter and there was nothing the Canadian Government could do about it. The guy was a total assh*le.

It surprises me why BMW would send an employee to a motorcycle show and allow him to get confrontational with potential customers rather than try to convince them to buy their product.

The end result was on the spot I cancelled with the local dealer my factory order for the two 2008 R1200GS's. The BMW guys parting shot was "you probably would have purchased them in the USA anyway". Nope I walked over to the KTM display and ordered two of theirs.

[gjw1]

Has anybody purchased Subaru this year? I'm wondering what the prices are after SOA changed their policy.

I was quoted approx. $4,500 more for a Subaru Outback Ltd. with VDC after the new rules were to take place for Canadians purchasing Subarus in the US. I was also told two different stories from two different dealers, one said that there were not going to be any sales allowed to Canadians after Jan. 3/08 and the other dealer said that sales were fine but the dealer incentives would no longer be available to Canadians after Jan.1/08. The confusion did not stop me as the savings that I was going to enjoy were attractive.
So I said to a dealer here in the Pacific Northwest near a city that started with an S that with the price increase coming soon could I buy two Subarus now? He quoted me a price but then told me that there wasn't enough time to complete the deal before the new rules took effect, this was Dec.23-24/07. As you could imagine I was taken aback by this admission. Still not deterred I got back on the phone and called a number of other dealers.
I found another dealer, 2 days drive away in a State that started with a C and near a big city that started with a D and they said no problem and that they could meet the manufacturers deadline. Not only did they meet the deadline they did it professionally, simply and at less cost than the other dealer quoted me.
There was a difference between the two approaches, I bought the two Subarus from a dealer that wanted to sell cars and knew how to do just that, I do not know what the other dealer's issues were.
I just know that I have two very good vehicles and I paid a lot less than I would have here in Canada.

[dsds]

Excellent Post Regrus!!

[eastsidesubaru]

I was quoted approx. $4,500 more for a Subaru Outback Ltd. with VDC after the new rules were to take place for Canadians purchasing Subarus in the US.

Yep. Sales are still OK, they are just more expensive.
On some models, it's still worth it, on others, it isn't.
However if the US dollar declines in value more, then things will be looking more attractive again. So hard to say what will happen. I definitely miss my canadian business though :cry:
I can still do some good deals on lightly used subarus with 4000 miles though (former service loaners). =)

[killbillvol1]

Regrus,

Maybe you want to go a step further and let BMW Canada know. Who knows, they might just change a few opinions and politeness.

Funny you should ask! I went to the Motorcycle show in Edmonton this past weekend and who was there but a BMW guy from the Canadian Head office who told me he is responsible for issuing all recall letters for BMW motorcycles coming into Canada.

When I questioned him about the changes to the RIV admissibility list on January 10th 2008 re BMW motorcycles he became very defensive. He stated nothing had changed and if it had he would know.

He further stated "he" could supply a list of serial numbers to the RIV and ban any BMW motorcycles from entering Canada. He bragged "so far I haven't done that".

He also stated BMW could charge whatever they felt like for a recall letter and there was nothing the Canadian Government could do about it. The guy was a total assh*le.

It surprises me why BMW would send an employee to a motorcycle show and allow him to get confrontational with potential customers rather than try to convince them to buy their product.

The end result was on the spot I cancelled with the local dealer my factory order for the two 2008 R1200GS's. The BMW guys parting shot was "you probably would have purchased them in the USA anyway". Nope I walked over to the KTM display and ordered two of theirs.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I can still do some good deals on lightly used subarus with 4000 miles though (former service loaners). =)

Ah, but there's the rub Eastsidesubaru:

Personally I love Subarus, but most consumers don't recognize the Subaru brand or know anyone who can comment on them so they will choose to pick up "former service loaner" Lexus or Infinitis which is admissible in Canada for ever-so-slightly more.

My prediction (mine only but I'm sure DesRosiers will use my statements out of context):

SoA's move to stop the incentives will corrode their sales. With the impending recession in the US, those Cherry Hill, NJ executives will regret cow-towing to the Canadians - 'cause we know that's what they did.

That can't help but hurt Subaru's overall bottom-line. I suspect Subaru sales will show a dramatic drop over the next few months. Even those ".com" types living in Oregon and Washington who seem to buy these cars in droves out West won't be selling enough software to support that purchase and will go back to the smaller and cheaper imports (they don't need AWDs cars to get to the hills to snowboard. They'll need to borrow mom and dads minivan - and worse yet, move back into the basement!)

[scouzi]

Ah, but there's the rub Eastsidesubaru:

Personally I love Subarus, but most consumers don't recognize the Subaru brand or know anyone who can comment on them so they will choose to pick up "former service loaner" Lexus or Infinitis which is admissible in Canada for ever-so-slightly more.

My prediction (mine only but I'm sure DesRosiers will use my statements out of context):

SoA's move to stop the incentives will corrode their sales. With the impending recession in the US, those Cherry Hill, NJ executives will regret cow-towing to the Canadians - 'cause we know that's what they did.

That can't help but hurt Subaru's overall bottom-line. I suspect Subaru sales will show a dramatic drop over the next few months. Even those ".com" types living in Oregon and Washington who seem to buy these cars in droves out West won't be selling enough software to support that purchase and will go back to the smaller and cheaper imports (they don't need AWDs cars to get to the hills to snowboard. They'll need to borrow mom and dads minivan - and worse yet, move back into the basement!)

I agree. Instead of showing courage and leadership, Subaru decided to become like the other arrogant car manufacturers and continue to rip us off. I hope their sales fall sharply.

There should really be an investigation for collusion. I can't believe no car company not wanting to increase market share in Canada by lowering their prices. That's what is supposed to happen in a normal free-market economy.

[bargainhuntr]

[QUOTE=bulgurc;6258576]

I went to local Toyota dealership this Saturday. They gave me a price of 63K (Out of the door price) for a car I could import for 43500 with all the taxes included. I asked them whether they could match it, the salesman practically threw me out. I feel bad for the dealerships. I think they are the one who is caught in between. My understanding is, Toyota itself is pocketing the difference.

I had a good laugh when I read this post. I too feel somewhat bad for the dealerships here in Ontario. The smart folks are buying vehicles for less than what the Canadian dealerships can possibly . Its time they started putting pressure on the manufacturers otherwise their showrooms will be nothing more than a place where I can pick my colour, options ,take my car for a test drive, etc. before I head south to make the deal.

[scouzi]

[QUOTE=bulgurc;6258576]

I went to local Toyota dealership this Saturday. They gave me a price of 63K (Out of the door price) for a car I could import for 43500 with all the taxes included. I asked them whether they could match it, the salesman practically threw me out. I feel bad for the dealerships. I think they are the one who is caught in between. My understanding is, Toyota itself is pocketing the difference.

I had a good laugh when I read this post. I too feel somewhat bad for the dealerships here in Ontario. The smart folks are buying vehicles for less than what the Canadian dealerships can possibly . Its time they started putting pressure on the manufacturers otherwise their showrooms will be nothing more than a place where I can pick my colour, options ,take my car for a test drive, etc. before I head south to make the deal.

Screw the dealers. Instead of themselves asking for lower pricing, they are defending higher prices with baseless arguments. They deserve what they are getting.

They should spend their energy to fight their franchisers instead. They would make up the difference from lower sale prices with higher volume and retain the same margins. However, they would make more money servicing more cars.

The irony is that they are getting gouged also compared to the american dealerships.

[zenon]

Desrosiers was on TV again (CTV news) last night. The piece was about how Chinese cars are set to enter the North American market in a year or two. Desrosiers said they wouldn'T be successful because "all the Chinese can compete on is price" as opposed to quality, luxury I guess. I seriously doubt whether this guy understands how much price is a factor in peoples buying decisions.

[Tender]

Desrosiers was on TV again (CTV news) last night. The piece was about how Chinese cars are set to enter the North American market in a year or two. Desrosiers said they wouldn'T be successful because "all the Chinese can compete on is price" as opposed to quality, luxury I guess. I seriously doubt whether this guy understands how much price is a factor in peoples buying decisions.

Well he must have said the same thing about the 'cheap' Korean cars before. Basically anything this guy says, I take the opposite view.

[scouzi]

Desrosiers was on TV again (CTV news) last night. The piece was about how Chinese cars are set to enter the North American market in a year or two. Desrosiers said they wouldn'T be successful because "all the Chinese can compete on is price" as opposed to quality, luxury I guess. I seriously doubt whether this guy understands how much price is a factor in peoples buying decisions.

I have to agree with him. Price is a factor but it's also about price/quality and piece of mind.

The only reason why people bought Lada's was for price and look where it got them.

[scouzi]

Well he must have said the same thing about the 'cheap' Korean cars before. Basically anything this guy says, I take the opposite view.


I bought one of those cheap Koreans in 2002 (KIA Sedonna EX luxury) and it's a piece of crap.

Started rusting after 16 months
Replaced 4 alternators
Replaced cracked Windshield
Replaced 4 front wheel bearings
3 full brake jobs with only 130 000 Km
Replaced steering column
Replaced coolant piping to rear heater (Pipes were completely rusted and burst!)
Replaced wiper motor
2 batteries
Check engine light has been on for 3 years and they don't know what's wrong
2 sets of belts

[Kamloops]

Well he must have said the same thing about the 'cheap' Korean cars before. Basically anything this guy says, I take the opposite view.

If the car does not kill you the lead paint sure will.

[Cars4Canadians]

If the car does not kill you the lead paint sure will.


:lol: So true, can you imagine driving a chinese car and the air bags deploy? You'd still go flying out the window , but onto a nice deflated airbag.

[Cars4Canadians]

I wish BMW's leases would dry up, god, what a bunch of arrogant *******s.

Funny you should ask! I went to the Motorcycle show in Edmonton this past weekend and who was there but a BMW guy from the Canadian Head office who told me he is responsible for issuing all recall letters for BMW motorcycles coming into Canada.

When I questioned him about the changes to the RIV admissibility list on January 10th 2008 re BMW motorcycles he became very defensive. He stated nothing had changed and if it had he would know.

He further stated "he" could supply a list of serial numbers to the RIV and ban any BMW motorcycles from entering Canada. He bragged "so far I haven't done that".

He also stated BMW could charge whatever they felt like for a recall letter and there was nothing the Canadian Government could do about it. The guy was a total assh*le.

It surprises me why BMW would send an employee to a motorcycle show and allow him to get confrontational with potential customers rather than try to convince them to buy their product.

The end result was on the spot I cancelled with the local dealer my factory order for the two 2008 R1200GS's. The BMW guys parting shot was "you probably would have purchased them in the USA anyway". Nope I walked over to the KTM display and ordered two of theirs.

[blainehamilton]

Thumbs down on BMW. Plenty of other options that cost less, and give you more, except for the BS attitude.

On another note, if anyone wants to listen to the radio broadcast, 630 Ched and possibly other chorus radio stations have an 'audio vault' feature that allow you to play back previous programs. You have to sign up to the site for it, but is a way to listen to the program...

[Tender]

I bought one of those cheap Koreans in 2002 (KIA Sedonna EX luxury) and it's a piece of crap...

I'm not saying all Korean cars are of high quality. There are lots of crappy Korean cars indeed. Personally, I've never owned any Korean car and would never own one in my life. But they started from cheap prices and are now improving in both quality and market share (take Hyundai as an example).

[batu]

I agree. Instead of showing courage and leadership, Subaru decided to become like the other arrogant car manufacturers and continue to rip us off. I hope their sales fall sharply.

There should really be an investigation for collusion. I can't believe no car company not wanting to increase market share in Canada by lowering their prices. That's what is supposed to happen in a normal free-market economy.

i had been planing on replacing my BMW with a new Subaru STI....not anymore. as much as i love the way bimmers handle, i want a new car and BMW's are way overpriced new...and importing a used one with BMW's raping of the canadian consumer is not something i will support. Subaru seem to like to compare themselves to BMW alot in their recent ads....now they are more like BMW than ever...for all the wrong reasons.

goodbye Subaru...hello Lancer Ralliart

[brokenteeth]

Desrosiers said they wouldn'T be successful because "all the Chinese can compete on is price" as opposed to quality, luxury I guess. I seriously doubt whether this guy understands how much price is a factor in peoples buying decisions.

The Chinese will be successful...probably first under the guise of GM or Chrysler. For example, GM's Chevy Equinox/Pontiac Torrent already used a Chinese built engine and many electrical components. Chrysler is working on manufacturing its new compact/sub-compact cars in China.

It won't be long before a significant part of the American brands' line-up will be subject to duty because their cars come from outside the NAFTA-zone.

[ajpaterson]

One seconds up!

... Hint: Why would an American pay the Canadian duty on the purchase of his new car?

Duty was paid on the vehicle when it was brought into a NAFTA country so you really are paying the duty twice. If you can get proof that the US duty was paid and that it was then exported, you can get reimbursed by US Customs . Good luck getting that proof from the manufacturer though.

[jadeboy]

Duty was paid on the vehicle when it was brought into a NAFTA country so you really are paying the duty twice. If you can get proof that the US duty was paid and that it was then exported, you can get reimbursed by US Customs . Good luck getting that proof from the manufacturer though.

How would I do this? I just brought a Lexus 2007 IS 350 with 608 miles, just have to ship it to Canada now.. I know I will be paying GST and the 6.1% (made in Japan) about $2400.

[bulgurc]

Googled the US duty on foreign cars, it is 2.5%

[dreaderus]

Googled the US duty on foreign cars, it is 2.5%

you sure thats not the price to bring it into the usa? it is defiantly 6.1% to bring the car back into Canada if its not manufacturered in the usa. you would pay this even if the car was made in canada i believe.

[Marzipan]

Googled the US duty on foreign cars, it is 2.5%

So now, upon what import value did Toyota USA pay this percentage. That is probably going to remain Toyota's secret and so you will never know how much rebate you can claim.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Desrosiers was on TV again (CTV news) last night. The piece was about how Chinese cars are set to enter the North American market in a year or two. Desrosiers said they wouldn'T be successful because "all the Chinese can compete on is price" as opposed to quality, luxury I guess. I seriously doubt whether this guy understands how much price is a factor in peoples buying decisions.

How could this guy possibly know?

I doubt he's ever paid for a car in his life.

It's tough to bad-mouth someone who gives you stuff for free.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Duty was paid on the vehicle when it was brought into a NAFTA country so you really are paying the duty twice. If you can get proof that the US duty was paid and that it was then exported, you can get reimbursed by US Customs . Good luck getting that proof from the manufacturer though.

What?

A car imported into the US from overseas is subject to US duty and entry laws. You paid that duty already as it's factored in to the final sales price in the US (or Canada).

The duty paid in the US has nothing to do with the duty you pay coming into Canada.

That's like saying "I already paid the sales tax when I bought my car in the US so I don't need to pay it in Canada".

[crasher]

you sure thats not the price to bring it into the usa? it is defiantly 6.1% to bring the car back into Canada if its not manufacturered in the usa. you would pay this even if the car was made in canada i believe.

6.1% for all cars manufactured out side NAFTA. Canada is definitely included in NAFTA, so no duty if car is made here.:cheesygri

[hotgo]

Well, it’s my turn to thank this forum! My 2008 Subaru Outback 2.5i is sitting in my driveway registered and plated! Mucho thanks to all!!!

Here is how things went for me:
Initially ordered an LLBean edition but Karl @ Van Bortel had a hard time filling that order. So instead I opted for a 2008 Outback 2.5i, Quartz Silver, Automatic, Hitch, Cargo Mats, Auto-Dimming Homelink Mirror, Rubber Floor Mats. Final price was $22514.50. This translated to $26829.47 for an “in-my-driveway” cost.

• Vehicle: $23158.20 (after exchange)
• GST + A/C Tax: $1331.06
• RIV: $204.75
• PST + Plates: $1990.46
• Tolls: $20 (approx)
• Gas: $125 (approx)
• Total: $26829.47

The import process was super smooth today:
• My wife, sister, daughter and I left Waterloo @ 4:30am in my sister’s van
• No problems at border, declared bank draft, and were on our way
• Had appointment for 9:00am @ Van Bortel, arrived @ 8:40am. Karl and the crew was just completing the paperwork. We sat in showroom for a few minutes as they did their thing. Soon they were pulling up the car and we worked our way through all the paperwork, signatures, etc.
• Left Van Bortel @ 9:40am. My wife, sister and daughter planned to spend the day shopping, so I headed back to the border with the Outback.
• Went to US Customs Export office, was 2nd in line. They told me to move my car to where they could see it from the window (I had parked between 2 trailers, so not visible). Went back in, and within 5 minutes had my stamp.
• Crossed to Canadian side. Small hiccup here as I went to the “Trucks” row and the agent was a little pissed with me. Sent me through to the customs office. Nobody in line at customs office. Filled out Form1, paid GST + A/C Tax and was on my way. They did not go out to look at car.
• Sat in parking lot for a couple of minutes collecting my thoughts and having a drink. Left border @noon. Next stop RIV.
• Arrived @ RIV in Toronto, and again no lineup. Out of there in < 10 minutes with my Form2. Didn’t have to pay for parking either as I was < 30 minutes. Next stop Canadian Tire.
• Got to Canadian Tire and they were pretty busy but they managed to do their quick inspection and I was on the road again within 25 minutes.
• Found the MTO office, provided my paperwork (they tried the whole “you need a safety check, emissions thing” on me too), paid PST, etc. 20 minutes tops.
• Hit the road again for Waterloo @ 2:30pm.
• Was comfortably in my driveway by 3:45pm. Done and done.

[hotgo]

I should add that at the US Export Office, the people ahead of me were from Eastside Chevrolet and they were just importing 3 GMC Sierra trucks.
http://www.tvag.ca/contact.htm

Whatever little guilt I still had buying from the US was immediately removed when I saw first hand how the dealers that tell us "to buy Canadian" and "Canadian cars are cheaper after all the incentives" are doing the exact same thing as us... they are buying on the US side because they can save a lot of $$$ for the same product.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Well, it’s my turn to thank this forum! My 2008 Subaru Outback 2.5i is sitting in my driveway registered and plated! Mucho thanks to all!!!

Here is how things went for me:
Initially ordered an LLBean edition but Karl @ Van Bortel had a hard time filling that order. So instead I opted for a 2008 Outback 2.5i, Quartz Silver, Automatic, Hitch, Cargo Mats, Auto-Dimming Homelink Mirror, Rubber Floor Mats. Final price was $22514.50. This translated to $26829.47 for an “in-my-driveway” cost.

• Vehicle: $23158.20 (after exchange)
• GST + A/C Tax: $1331.06
• RIV: $204.75
• PST + Plates: $1990.46
• Tolls: $20 (approx)
• Gas: $125 (approx)
• Total: $26829.47

The import process was super smooth today:
• My wife, sister, daughter and I left Waterloo @ 4:30am in my sister’s van
• No problems at border, declared bank draft, and were on our way
• Had appointment for 9:00am @ Van Bortel, arrived @ 8:40am. Karl and the crew was just completing the paperwork. We sat in showroom for a few minutes as they did their thing. Soon they were pulling up the car and we worked our way through all the paperwork, signatures, etc.
• Left Van Bortel @ 9:40am. My wife, sister and daughter planned to spend the day shopping, so I headed back to the border with the Outback.
• Went to US Customs Export office, was 2nd in line. They told me to move my car to where they could see it from the window (I had parked between 2 trailers, so not visible). Went back in, and within 5 minutes had my stamp.
• Crossed to Canadian side. Small hiccup here as I went to the “Trucks” row and the agent was a little pissed with me. Sent me through to the customs office. Nobody in line at customs office. Filled out Form1, paid GST + A/C Tax and was on my way. They did not go out to look at car.
• Sat in parking lot for a couple of minutes collecting my thoughts and having a drink. Left border @noon. Next stop RIV.
• Arrived @ RIV in Toronto, and again no lineup. Out of there in < 10 minutes with my Form2. Didn’t have to pay for parking either as I was < 30 minutes. Next stop Canadian Tire.
• Got to Canadian Tire and they were pretty busy but they managed to do their quick inspection and I was on the road again within 25 minutes.
• Found the MTO office, provided my paperwork (they tried the whole “you need a safety check, emissions thing” on me too), paid PST, etc. 20 minutes tops.
• Hit the road again for Waterloo @ 2:30pm.
• Was comfortably in my driveway by 3:45pm. Done and done.


Another convert.

See? Didn't we tell you it's so easy? No wonder the Canadian dealers are scurrying to get a sale.

Their retort "yeah but you wasted a whole day. Imagine what you could have done with that time"?

Bad analogy but a $15,000 savings for eight hours work = $1875 per hour.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I should add that at the US Export Office, the people ahead of me were from Eastside Chevrolet and they were just importing 3 GMC Sierra trucks.
http://www.tvag.ca/contact.htm

Whatever little guilt I still had buying from the US was immediately removed when I saw first hand how the dealers that tell us "to buy Canadian" and "Canadian cars are cheaper after all the incentives" are doing the exact same thing as us... they are buying on the US side because they can save a lot of $$$ for the same product.


We should all send that information on to GM in Oshawa.

Someone there should be wondering why so many instrument panels are being ordered. Duh!

I would love to look at the door jamb to see if they're modifying the US compliance label. I bought a car from Eastside years ago and have never returned. It's in part thanks to them that I swore off GM vehicles.

They're one of the worse dealer franchises in the Toronto area. Doesn't surprise me one bit that they're importing trucks.

I doubt the unsuspecting consumer will ever know the difference.

After all, don't the US vehicles have an immobilizer issue as well as smaller reservoirs, less insulation, different thickness in weatherstripping.

[hotgo]

Another convert.

See? Didn't we tell you it's so easy? No wonder the Canadian dealers are scurrying to get a sale.

Their retort "yeah but you wasted a whole day. Imagine what you could have done with that time"?

Bad analogy but a $15,000 savings for eight hours work = $1875 per hour.

I forgot to add what the cost would have been from a Canadian Dealer. I would have likely paid $35000-$36000 for a comparable car after haggling and the $4000 cashback incentive. So conservatively I saved at least $8000 on the purchase.

[Marzipan]

Well, it’s my turn to thank this forum! My 2008 Subaru Outback 2.5i is sitting in my driveway registered and plated! Mucho thanks to all!!!

Here is how things went for me:
Initially ordered an LLBean edition but Karl @ Van Bortel had a hard time filling that order. So instead I opted for a 2008 Outback 2.5i, Quartz Silver, Automatic, Hitch, Cargo Mats, Auto-Dimming Homelink Mirror, Rubber Floor Mats. Final price was $22514.50. This translated to $26829.47 for an “in-my-driveway” cost.

• Vehicle: $23158.20 (after exchange)
• GST + A/C Tax: $1331.06
• RIV: $204.75
• PST + Plates: $1990.46
• Tolls: $20 (approx)
• Gas: $125 (approx)
• Total: $26829.47

The import process was super smooth today:
• My wife, sister, daughter and I left Waterloo @ 4:30am in my sister’s van
• No problems at border, declared bank draft, and were on our way
• Had appointment for 9:00am @ Van Bortel, arrived @ 8:40am. Karl and the crew was just completing the paperwork. We sat in showroom for a few minutes as they did their thing. Soon they were pulling up the car and we worked our way through all the paperwork, signatures, etc.
• Left Van Bortel @ 9:40am. My wife, sister and daughter planned to spend the day shopping, so I headed back to the border with the Outback.
• Went to US Customs Export office, was 2nd in line. They told me to move my car to where they could see it from the window (I had parked between 2 trailers, so not visible). Went back in, and within 5 minutes had my stamp.
• Crossed to Canadian side. Small hiccup here as I went to the “Trucks” row and the agent was a little pissed with me. Sent me through to the customs office. Nobody in line at customs office. Filled out Form1, paid GST + A/C Tax and was on my way. They did not go out to look at car.
• Sat in parking lot for a couple of minutes collecting my thoughts and having a drink. Left border @noon. Next stop RIV.
• Arrived @ RIV in Toronto, and again no lineup. Out of there in < 10 minutes with my Form2. Didn’t have to pay for parking either as I was < 30 minutes. Next stop Canadian Tire.
• Got to Canadian Tire and they were pretty busy but they managed to do their quick inspection and I was on the road again within 25 minutes.
• Found the MTO office, provided my paperwork (they tried the whole “you need a safety check, emissions thing” on me too), paid PST, etc. 20 minutes tops.
• Hit the road again for Waterloo @ 2:30pm.
• Was comfortably in my driveway by 3:45pm. Done and done.

Everything calculated to the penny, Hotgo. So what would have been the realistic in-the-driveway cost from a Canadian dealer?

EDIT: Aaaah! I see the answer above. Good easy work!

[Luckster]

I forgot to add what the cost would have been from a Canadian Dealer. I would have likely paid $35000-$36000 for a comparable car after haggling and the $4000 cashback incentive. So conservatively I saved at least $8000 on the purchase.

Did you buy your Subaru after January 3, 2008? Did you get the rebate from SOA?

[runningdog]

I forgot to add what the cost would have been from a Canadian Dealer. I would have likely paid $35000-$36000 for a comparable car after haggling and the $4000 cashback incentive. So conservatively I saved at least $8000 on the purchase.

So, in fact you ONLY made $1000 per hour? :D :D Congratulations.

[rob3blk]

congratulation hotgo.:)

[jadeboy]

I just lost my credit card and will get a new one, but that will take about 2 weeks, I will be importing a Lexus in 1 week. I was wonder how I would paid for the Duty+GST+RIV fee (paid online) without a credit card ?

[hotgo]

Did you buy your Subaru after January 3, 2008? Did you get the rebate from SOA?

I ordered the vehicle in early December and yes I did get the rebate. I agree though, it is a little confusing about the actual rules around when the rebate expires. I think the dealers have a lot more flexibility with this than they are letting on.

[Trexim]

I ordered the vehicle in early December and yes I did get the rebate. I agree though, it is a little confusing about the actual rules around when the rebate expires. I think the dealers have a lot more flexibility with this than they are letting on.

Someone said earlier that if the VIN is in the system, then it's all set ... so maybe you had your VIN before the deadline?

Agree, quite confusing really.

[niceguy1234]

Can anyone show an example of empty Form 1 and Form 2? Is there anywhere I can download a sample and have a look?

[Prof]

Can anyone show an example of empty Form 1 and Form 2? Is there anywhere I can download a sample and have a look?

Form 1 is on this thread (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5481021#post5481021). Sorry, no idea on form 2. I do have one infront of me. I lists the VIN, make and model and a short series of check boxes that must be ticked. They were faxed directly from CT.

[Trexim]

I just lost my credit card and will get a new one, but that will take about 2 weeks, I will be importing a Lexus in 1 week. I was wonder how I would paid for the Duty+GST+RIV fee (paid online) without a credit card ?

That's really tough. I read some where in this big thread that some crossings may accept debit cards (or at least at some point). I am afraid you will have to call yourself.

[PrimeBane]

I tried searching for the answer here, but I've had no luck and Minnesota isn't listed on carburner.com (thank you for putting together this incredible resource Monsieurmaggot :) )

If a person is importing a vehicle from Minnesota, is there sales tax?

Thanks to anyone that can help. :)

[Tender]

I ordered the vehicle in early December and yes I did get the rebate. I agree though, it is a little confusing about the actual rules around when the rebate expires. I think the dealers have a lot more flexibility with this than they are letting on.

Did you pay RIV fee at the border?

[hotgo]

Someone said earlier that if the VIN is in the system, then it's all set ... so maybe you had your VIN before the deadline?

Agree, quite confusing really.

Nope, I did not have the VIN until last week.

[hotgo]

Did you pay RIV fee at the border?

I paid the RIV fee directly at the RIV office in Toronto. Only GST and A/C tax at the border.

[nornet]

I just lost my credit card and will get a new one, but that will take about 2 weeks, I will be importing a Lexus in 1 week. I was wonder how I would paid for the Duty+GST+RIV fee (paid online) without a credit card ?
I'm 99% certain you can still pay duty and GST by cheque to the Receiver General. AS for the RIV fee, I've no idea but cash should be king (assuming you're in the GTA and are going to their offices.).

Sorry, I saw your location and forget what I said about RIV. Call/email and find out.

[jadeboy]

That's really tough. I read some where in this big thread that some crossings may accept debit cards (or at least at some point). I am afraid you will have to call yourself.

My debit limit will not be enough. I can't find anyphone number for the coutt crossing in Alberta, only the 1800 numbers which gets a busy signal when you press 0.

[niceguy1234]

I am going to pick up my new 2008 Camry SE V6 in the next few days. I got the VIN, but the car is in transit from production plan in Georgetown, KY to WA. While I am still waiting, the sales manager trys to sell me the 5 year / 100,000 mile extended warranty for US$1385. He said it will work in US or Canada.

1. I am not 100% sure the extended warranty will apply in Canada.
2. Is it worth it to buy the extended warranty?

[Tender]

My debit limit will not be enough. I can't find anyphone number for the coutt crossing in Alberta, only the 1800 numbers which gets a busy signal when you press 0.

Maybe you can ask someone with a credit card to go with you.

[shopper-X]

Maybe you can ask someone with a credit card to go with you.

Or you can pick up a Pre-Paid credit card. I know MasterCard has one and there is Vicinity (sp?) Visa available at Safeway too.

[Prof]

I tried searching for the answer here, but I've had no luck and Minnesota isn't listed on carburner.com (thank you for putting together this incredible resource Monsieurmaggot :) )

If a person is importing a vehicle from Minnesota, is there sales tax?

Thanks to anyone that can help. :)

Bought one in Minneapolis; no tax in my case. I had to sign some doc saying it would be driven elsewhere and registered.

[t_garp]

I am going to pick up my new 2008 Camry SE V6 in the next few days. I got the VIN, but the car is in transit from production plan in Georgetown, KY to WA. While I am still waiting, the sales manager trys to sell me the 5 year / 100,000 mile extended warranty for US$1385. He said it will work in US or Canada.

1. I am not 100% sure the extended warranty will apply in Canada.
2. Is it worth it to buy the extended warranty?

I had emailed Toyota USA regarding the Certified Pre-owned extended warranty and it was NOT transferable to Canada. Email Toyota USA to be sure before you drop $$$.

[PrimeBane]

Bought one in Minneapolis; no tax in my case. I had to sign some doc saying it would be driven elsewhere and registered.

thanks Prof :cheesygri

[GoKartRacer]

Hey all...so after the successful Lexus import we decided to get another baby. This time from Van Bortel. My question to all of you (from the Toronto area) is how did you go down to Rochestor/Victor to pick up your car.

When we picked up our Lexus from NJ, we flew down from Toronto so it was a little easier.

Did you guys take the bus? Any early timings? Train? Ideas are much appreciated.

Thank you.

-GoKartRacer

[MaDgamEr]

I'm slowly looking to get into a Tundra... Any chance someone can PM me contact info for a Toyota dealer that's willing to sell to a Canadian? Preferably on the Eastern coast as I'm in NS. Thanks.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I just lost my credit card and will get a new one, but that will take about 2 weeks, I will be importing a Lexus in 1 week. I was wonder how I would paid for the Duty+GST+RIV fee (paid online) without a credit card ?

Unless they're issuing you a new number, I would try contacting your credit card company and telling them what you plan to do. I'm sure they won't pass up an opportunity to let extend you the opportunity to use their card for an online purchase. You don't need a physical card just the expiry date.

Some sites require the four digit security code on the card too.

It doesn't hurt to try right?

[derslade]

Anyone up to speed on Chrysler's 'New Canadian Pricing' they're advertising at their websites?

Despite Chrysler's new 'Canadian Pricing' there's still a $6000 difference between the same vehicle here and across the border. Below is a copy of a note I sent to the local Dodge salesman as we tried to close a deal in Canada on the above vehicle.

I've been looking at the American site, dodge.com, and comparing prices there with the Canadian at dodge.ca.

The Dodge Ram 3500 equipped like the white one on your lot is listed at $45,190 before incentives. Interest rates are about the same when the American $1000 cash is included. The cash incentives just a few clicks south are $5500 dropping the US price to $39,610

Chrysler's 'New Canadian Prices' get us part of the way there. However, I'll be waiting until Chrysler's Canadian prices come down a bit more to match what I see in the US. After all, the North American Free Trade Agreement should work for the consumer as well as the manufacturer.

Drop me a note when Chrysler decides to offer Canadian citizens the same kind of deals they do to our American cousins.

Thanks for all your efforts,

[Marzipan]

My debit limit will not be enough. I can't find anyphone number for the coutt crossing in Alberta, only the 1800 numbers which gets a busy signal when you press 0.

Go to your bank and pay into your account to give yourself a credit. Then the credit plus the card limit can be enough when you get to the border.

[Marzipan]

Despite Chrysler's new 'Canadian Pricing' there's still a $6000 difference between the same vehicle here and across the border. Below is a copy of a note I sent to the local Dodge salesman as we tried to close a deal in Canada on the above vehicle.

Thanks for the clarification. I've been looking at the American site, dodge.com, and comparing prices there with the Canadian at dodge.ca.

The Dodge Ram 3500 equipped like the white one on your lot is listed at $45,190 before incentives. Interest rates are about the same when the American $1000 cash is included. The cash incentives just a few clicks south are $5500 dropping the US price to $39,610

Chrysler's 'New Canadian Prices' get us part of the way there. However, I'll be waiting until Chrysler's Canadian prices come down a bit more to match what I see in the US. After all, the North American Free Trade Agreement should work for the consumer as well as the manufacturer.

Drop me a note when Chrysler decides to offer Canadian citizens the same kind of deals they do to our American cousins.

Thanks for all your efforts,

Unfortunately, currently the dollar/dollar ratio has gone against us. It'll cost you some 4% by the time the bank gets its cut. That's another 1,600 CAD cost on a $40,000 vehicle.

[Lanceman1]

I just completed the final step in the process with the Canadian Tire inspection of my MKZ (licensing is a formality). 15 minutes from start to finish. I had e-mailed the recall letter, and received Form 2 by mail in 5 days .

Not withstanding warranty issues, excessive fees by some car mfgs.etc. the entire process is straight-forward once you've done your homework, starting with the RIV list. I would encourage anyone to take advantage of the current price diferentials, and as suggested, spend their savings in Canada.

As a side note, it is the power of the Internet that makes this all possible.

[mikew77]

Hi,

My dealer asks me to provide a usa address for selling me a new vehicle. The address and my name will be put on all documents including MCO and the bill of sales. I am wordering whether it could be a problem at USA and Canada customs office because the address on the paper work will not match my ID's address. Any risk by doing this?

Thank you very much for any input.

[derslade]

Unfortunately, currently the dollar/dollar ratio has gone against us. It'll cost you some 4% by the time the bank gets its cut. That's another 1,600 CAD cost on a $40,000 vehicle.

Where do you get $1600? http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert.cgi indicates only a CAD$967.57 premium. In any event, oil will eventually go back up, and with it our dollar.

Did you see the reports of Canadian car sales down in the last quarter of 2007? It's only a matter of time until the Canadian car moguls will have to capitulate and match the prices our cousins a few clicks to the south are getting.

[dsds]

I see even Toyota Certified Used Vehicles are not supposed to be sold to Canadians:

"Being a dealer in the Pacific Northwest, Toyota of Seattle is positioned to offer an opportunity to save money to our friends just across the border.

SORRY but as of January 2, 2008 - we can no longer sell TOYOTA CERTIFIED VEHICLES to CANADIAN RESIDENTS, OR ANY BROKERS, WHO INTEND TO EXPORT, OUTSIDE TO CONTINENTAL US, ALASKA OR HAWAII. According to regulations set forth by the manufacturer, Toyota Certified used and new Toyota models may only be sold by U.S. dealers to U.S. customers. SIMPLY STATED, if a customer is going to register and operate their TCUV purchase outside the Continental US, Alaska or Hawaii then the TCUV CERTIFICATION AND ALL ELEMENTS of the TCUV package are invalid."


:!: Also, A & A Contract Custom Brokers http://www.aacb.com/ appears on The New Driver's Seat TV Show:

The New Driver's Seat TV show is featuring Pat Marshall of A & A Contract Customs Brokers on Car Importation. http://www.driversseattv.com/

Air times is as follows:

CHUM
A Channel BC - Sunday, January 27th at 1:30 PM
A Channel ON - Sunday, January 27th at 4:30 PM
City TV Edmonton & Calgary - Saturday, January 26th at 12:30 PM
City TV Winnipeg - Sunday, January 27th at 3:30 PM

SHAW
Wednesday, January 30th at 6:30 PM
Saturday, February 2nd at 1:30 PM
Sunday, February 3rd at 10:30 AM and 3:00 PM

A&A's business is importing so let's see if The New Driver's Seat will let it's viewers learn what everyone here already knows!

[Marzipan]

Where do you get $1600? http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert.cgi indicates only a CAD$967.57 premium. In any event, oil will eventually go back up, and with it our dollar.

Did you see the reports of Canadian car sales down in the last quarter of 2007? It's only a matter of time until the Canadian car moguls will have to capitulate and match the prices our cousins a few clicks to the south are getting.

http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert.cgi is showing 1 USD = 1.0246 CAD. That's the mid-market rate. I guessed the rate to buy USDs at 1.040 or 4% of the $40,000 vehicle.

[bulgurc]

I wonder about the people who buy from manufacturers whose warranty is not honored in Canada. What do you do? Do you just prey no major problems happen? Do you buy third party coverage (if so what kind of costs we are talking about?)

[niceguy1234]

Hi,

My dealer asks me to provide a usa address for selling me a new vehicle. The address and my name will be put on all documents including MCO and the bill of sales. I am wordering whether it could be a problem at USA and Canada customs office because the address on the paper work will not match my ID's address. Any risk by doing this?

Thank you very much for any input.

If you don't have a relative or friend down there, how can you have a US address? You may open a PO box, but in that case, you will need to register the car and pay the state tax.

[michelb]

If you don't have a relative or friend down there, how can you have a US address? You may open a PO box, but in that case, you will need to register the car and pay the state tax.

I'd ask the dealership - they might even let you use the dealership address which is most likely the easiest thing for you. PO boxes may not work if you need to register the vehicle (at least some states require a physical address on registrations and specifically exclude PO boxes, also some states may require you to show proof of residency to register a vehicle). It might be a formality that the dealership requires a US address but they might not require you to register it so you might not have to pay state tax - again, only way to know for sure is to ask them ...

[niceguy1234]

Looks like there are 3 ways that you can bring in a NEW car from US. I want to see your ideas and find out which one is the best:

1. Buy it yourself: You contact US dealer directly. Assuming that they are willing to sell to you, you likely end up paying the MSRP, no price bargaining. Some dealers charge extra $ for exporting fee. Process is very straight-forward.
2. Buy from broker: You may ask the broker to bargain the price for you. You may pay less than MSRP, but you need to pay the broker fee (some $1000 and up)
3. Ask US friend/relative to buy it for you: They can bargain with the dealer and may get the price close to the invoice price + rebate (if any). But they need to register the car & pay state tax first. Then resell the car to you after. More time consuming, but save more money.

[rjmbc]

4. Buy the vehicle through a US based company. You locate the car, negotiate the price (below MSRP) & then close the deal through the US company & have the company immediately transfer the vehicle to you. Similar to using a friend or relative, however the vehicle never leaves the dealership til you pick it up & the funds are all handled by a lawyer. Cost - what ever you negotiate plus $700 for legal & corporate fees. No state sales taxes with this method.

[xingjl]

Did you buy your Subaru after January 3, 2008? Did you get the rebate from SOA?
I heard some Subaru dealers stop selling to Canadian.

[PrimeBane]

Looks like there are 3 ways that you can bring in a NEW car from US. I want to see your ideas and find out which one is the best:

1. Buy it yourself: You contact US dealer directly. Assuming that they are willing to sell to you, you likely end up paying the MSRP, no price bargaining. Some dealers charge extra $ for exporting fee. Process is very straight-forward.

Would that be dependant on the dealership? I mean it would be in most dealers best interest to offer something better than MSRP shouldn't it, especially they're all cash deals?

[Tender]

I heard some Subaru dealers stop selling to Canadian.

No, they are still selling to Canadians. You just don't get the $500 rebate from SOA. And Van Bortel increased their price for about $300 on Tribeca after Jan 2, not like some others posted that they would charge MSRP.

So your savings would be $800 less. Well that's ok to me compared the total savings.

[ajpaterson]

What?

A car imported into the US from overseas is subject to US duty and entry laws. You paid that duty already as it's factored in to the final sales price in the US (or Canada).

The duty paid in the US has nothing to do with the duty you pay coming into Canada.

That's like saying "I already paid the sales tax when I bought my car in the US so I don't need to pay it in Canada".

I am not say that you don't need pay duty in Canada. All I am saying is that US customs allows for reclaiming the duty paid to the US from your purchase price if you can prove that it was exported and that the original US duty was paid. That's all. You can easily prove the first part with your stamped MSO, but getting the second proof will require US import records from the Manufacturer. They exist and are used when Manufacturers move vehicles and other goods between Canada and the US to avoid paying double duties themselves.

[scouzi]

I am not say that you don't need pay duty in Canada. All I am saying is that US customs allows for reclaiming the duty paid to the US from your purchase price if you can prove that it was exported and that the original US duty was paid. That's all. You can easily prove the first part with your stamped MSO, but getting the second proof will require US import records from the Manufacturer. They exist and are used when Manufacturers move vehicles and other goods between Canada and the US to avoid paying double duties themselves.

Try with this. The practise is called duty drawback.

http://www.dutycalc.com/faq.html

[gregolds]

Looks like there are 3 ways that you can bring in a NEW car from US. I want to see your ideas and find out which one is the best:

1. Buy it yourself: You contact US dealer directly. Assuming that they are willing to sell to you, you likely end up paying the MSRP, no price bargaining. Some dealers charge extra $ for exporting fee. Process is very straight-forward.
2. Buy from broker: You may ask the broker to bargain the price for you. You may pay less than MSRP, but you need to pay the broker fee (some $1000 and up)
3. Ask US friend/relative to buy it for you: They can bargain with the dealer and may get the price close to the invoice price + rebate (if any). But they need to register the car & pay state tax first. Then resell the car to you after. More time consuming, but save more money.
Go with number 3. They buy the vehicle from another state and recieve a MCO, but never register it and never pay a penny in state taxes.

[davehender]

I wonder about the people who buy from manufacturers whose warranty is not honored in Canada. What do you do? Do you just prey no major problems happen? Do you buy third party coverage (if so what kind of costs we are talking about?)

It might not be the ideal arrangement, but maybe you could 'self warranty' your vehicle? There is a bit of risk there, but isn't there always some risk in life anyway? Buy a good, reliable vehicle, take good care of it, pay the $1,500 you would have given an 'extended warranty' vendor to a bank account in your own name instead, and then use that money if you ever need to have work done in the future. Better yet, do the same thing anytime someone tries to sell you extended warranty for any of your purchases.

Sure there are perks with spending money for the extended warranty from a company, like peace of mind knowing you can take your vehicle to a dealer and have it fixed for (usually) no shopping around or other hassles, but the downsides are you don't get to keep any of the money if little or nothing goes wrong & the coverage has a time/mileage expiry period... i.e. the coverage ends when the vehicle becomes old enough to really need an extended warranty. Then there's the fine print to decipher that always seems to work in the company's favour.

Isn't buying an extended warranty just the same as prepaying a major repair anyway? If you anticipate major repairs for a very reliable vehicle then there may not be much point in paying extra for that vehicle in the first place. I do have some experience with the "Monday-morning" car that is trouble right off the lot, and all I can say is that kind of vehicle would not be a good candidate for this type of thing. Incidentally my experience did have a happy ending- all I had to do was trade the new Ford for a Toyota and all my problems disappeared!

My wife and I used to buy extended warranties for every large purchase we made, but in the past 12 years I can't think of a single time we ever had to use one. There was the one time we called for a service person to come out for a fridge door that wasn't staying closed, but when the fellow arrived he found it was just a ketchup bottle that was leaning sideways and preventing the door from closing properly (whoops! :lol: ). At least we got something for the couple of hundred extra bucks we spent. If we had put all that money into a savings account instead, then we would've been well on our way to having a well padded savings account that would cover any (or several) major repairs with no difficulty.

Now when a salesperson tries to sell us extended warranty I'll ask how much it costs. If the salesperson says, "$175 for three years of coverage" then I decline the warranty, put an extra $175 into my next credit card payment, and know that I have that much of my own money that I can put toward repairing anything that may go wrong. If/when nothing goes wrong in that time then I'm happy knowing I'm up 175 bucks. Of course it's better to put the money into savings as I mentioned, but I'm presently working hard at chipping away the 'red' side of my ledger so I'm tempting fate a little bit. Sure I would be out-of-pocket for the full repair price if anything went wrong, but at least "the man" isn't getting any more of my money than he is right now.

[Tender]

lol I like this approach. Warren Buffet doesn't buy insurance 'cause he can earn more than what the insurance would pay for.

[dotcalamitie]

I went to the Toronto boat show and have a price of $15,322 CDN on a SeaDoo RXPX, new model for 2008. List price is $17,000. In the US the list price is $13,000, I have a quote of $11,600 US. Of course, we all know that if a US dealer sells to a Canadian they lose their license. Anyone have experience in dealing with this issue? I plan on buying two of these, and I have my two old SeaDoo's to trade in which the dealer here is willing to give me $12,000 for (in the US, I would likely get $11,000 for). A friend of mine already bought at the boat show, and he's pretty close to a billionaire so what does he care?

I'm advertising on a US SeaDoo site that I will pay someone $10,500 for a used model in May. Dealers can sell used to Canadians, but not new. Think about it, a year from now, the US SeaDoo's used will be worth $8,500...those prices will move into Canada and the Canadian buyers will get their heads handed to them if they try to sell.

[bulgurc]

Go with number 3. They buy the vehicle from another state and recieve a MCO, but never register it and never pay a penny in state taxes.

Would not the vehicle be registered to the dealer though and stay registered at the dealer's name?

[Monsieurmaggot]

It might not be the ideal arrangement, but maybe you could 'self warranty' your vehicle? There is a bit of risk there, but isn't there always some risk in life anyway? Buy a good, reliable vehicle, take good care of it, pay the $1,500 you would have given an 'extended warranty' vendor to a bank account in your own name instead, and then use that money if you ever need to have work done in the future. Better yet, do the same thing anytime someone tries to sell you extended warranty for any of your purchases.

Sure there are perks with spending money for the extended warranty from a company, like peace of mind knowing you can take your vehicle to a dealer and have it fixed for (usually) no shopping around or other hassles, but the downsides are you don't get to keep any of the money if little or nothing goes wrong & the coverage has a time/mileage expiry period... i.e. the coverage ends when the vehicle becomes old enough to really need an extended warranty. Then there's the fine print to decipher that always seems to work in the company's favour.

Isn't buying an extended warranty just the same as prepaying a major repair anyway? If you anticipate major repairs for a very reliable vehicle then there may not be much point in paying extra for that vehicle in the first place. I do have some experience with the "Monday-morning" car that is trouble right off the lot, and all I can say is that kind of vehicle would not be a good candidate for this type of thing. Incidentally my experience did have a happy ending- all I had to do was trade the new Ford for a Toyota and all my problems disappeared!

My wife and I used to buy extended warranties for every large purchase we made, but in the past 12 years I can't think of a single time we ever had to use one. There was the one time we called for a service person to come out for a fridge door that wasn't staying closed, but when the fellow arrived he found it was just a ketchup bottle that was leaning sideways and preventing the door from closing properly (whoops! :lol: ). At least we got something for the couple of hundred extra bucks we spent. If we had put all that money into a savings account instead, then we would've been well on our way to having a well padded savings account that would cover any (or several) major repairs with no difficulty.

Now when a salesperson tries to sell us extended warranty I'll ask how much it costs. If the salesperson says, "$175 for three years of coverage" then I decline the warranty, put an extra $175 into my next credit card payment, and know that I have that much of my own money that I can put toward repairing anything that may go wrong. If/when nothing goes wrong in that time then I'm happy knowing I'm up 175 bucks. Of course it's better to put the money into savings as I mentioned, but I'm presently working hard at chipping away the 'red' side of my ledger so I'm tempting fate a little bit. Sure I would be out-of-pocket for the full repair price if anything went wrong, but at least "the man" isn't getting any more of my money than he is right now.

That's so true. Sites like Consumer Reports repeatedly recommend that NO ONE buy extended warranty on vehicles. The cost isn't worth it in the long run.

[bulgurc]

That's so true. Sites like Consumer Reports repeatedly recommend that NO ONE buy extended warranty on vehicles. The cost isn't worth it in the long run.

I actually meant basic warranty not honored, not extended. I agree if you buy a reliable car, extended warranty is not required. Same deductions could be made about basic warranty, too, I guess

[michelb]

That's so true. Sites like Consumer Reports repeatedly recommend that NO ONE buy extended warranty on vehicles. The cost isn't worth it in the long run.

I actually meant basic warranty not honored, not extended. I agree if you buy a reliable car, extended warranty is not required. Same deductions could be made about basic warranty, too, I guess

It certainly depends a lot on the car you get or how long you plan on keeping it (although you can argue that selling a car with an extended warranty will get you significantly more than one without) but for the our past 3 cars (Volvo V70R, Chrysler Sebring Convertible and VW Cabriolet) we got an extended warranty and easily made a lot more claims than what we paid for the warranty.

If I was to buy a Toyota or Honda, I might be comfortable not getting one but for most other makes (any American, probably any European, Subaru, etc) (and/or for cars with a lot of electronic components), I would go for the extended warranty if it's cheap enough.

Although you may not need it, you are also buying piece of mind and convenience (our Volvo warranty provided a loaner car everytime we brought the car in for service (Chrysler did it if it was above a certain amount of work)).

[michelb]

I am not say that you don't need pay duty in Canada. All I am saying is that US customs allows for reclaiming the duty paid to the US from your purchase price if you can prove that it was exported and that the original US duty was paid. That's all. You can easily prove the first part with your stamped MSO, but getting the second proof will require US import records from the Manufacturer. They exist and are used when Manufacturers move vehicles and other goods between Canada and the US to avoid paying double duties themselves.

Try with this. The practise is called duty drawback.

http://www.dutycalc.com/faq.html

Anybody try this? I have to admit that I was quite skeptical about this when I first read the discussion about it but from the link it does sound like it's possible. Please let us know if you've had any success or failure trying this. It's not a huge amount but even if it's only 2.5%, it's a nice chunk of the 6.1% that you have to pay into Canada ...