Lexus GS450h vs BMW 530i

[dtcanada]

which car do you guys think is better?

Lexus GS450h comes with everything you can think of for a simple price tag of $77,000 (MSRP) while BMW with the same upgrades would comes to $85,000 MSRP...so which car would you prefer?

I personally like the Lexus...it's Hybird...v6 and it has 339hp while BMW only has 255hp...if it were up to me...I wouldn't even look at BMW...in my opinion...there are just too many of them on the road...and it's just a bigger version of the 3 series...plus, i think BMW is overrated...

[Nightgod]

I like the Lexus as well. With Gas prices these days, your better of getting the lexus

[i-o_o-i]

They are both nice cars, but since you are dropping $80k on your car, might as well save some gas mony with a hybrid

[chicadam]

IMO BMW has the best compact luxury... in other words only good for their 3 Series... avoid the others. Go only for the best they have to offer.

My vote is Lexus.
-> reliability
-> Comfort
-> better looking interior design
-> More HP
-> better fuel economy
-> Forgot to add but is huge: Cost is lower

Even though BMW has the edge in:
-> exterior design
-> handling
Both of these items carry a lot of weight though

[Tofu Drift Shinji]

I'm just curious... what's the fuel economy of both the Lex and the Bimmer? Do they both require 91 octane and above?

[gilboman]

the GS450h will slaughter the 530i in performance with similar if not better fuel economy

[johnwayne]

I have a gs300, great car.

[that_staples_guy]

Even though BMW has the edge in:
-> exterior design
-> handling

I don't know, obviously a matter of personal preference, but I'd go for the Lexus for looks over the Bimmer any day.

http://www.bilnyheter.no/GS%20450%20h_LOW.jpg http://www.northtexasautoleasing.com/home/530i.jpg

[chicadam]

I don't know, obviously a matter of personal preference, but I'd go for the Lexus for looks over the Bimmer any day.

http://www.bilnyheter.no/GS%20450%20h_LOW.jpg http://www.northtexasautoleasing.com/home/530i.jpg

The Lexus looks like the Altima there... :lol:

It is personal perference but I don't think its even close. For those pictures the BMW looks much sweeter.

[banana88]

Almost hard to compare these two cars- now if you took the GS450h vs. BMW 550i (~79000 MSRP for base model) that might be a closer comparison in terms of performance specs.
In wither case I much prefer how BMWs drive over Lexus, but I guess that's my personal preference (Lexus still builds a great car).

[mart242]

A japanase car is never a match to a german one in terms of driving enjoyment... so if you like to drive, get a BMW, if you think of the car as a luxury appliance, the lexus is fine.

[gilboman]

A japanase car is never a match to a german one in terms of driving enjoyment... so if you like to drive, get a BMW, if you think of the car as a luxury appliance, the lexus is fine.

um..no... the evo, NSX, STi, Skyline etc...all will easily rival if not surpass the germans.

[sPiKyAZN]

BMW 550i vs. Lexus GS450h Road and Track Comparison (http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=34&article_id=3638)

I know you're looking at the 530i, but check this out anyways. If you pick up the current issue of road and track, there's a more detailed write-up about this comparison. If I remember, I think they chose the BMW.

[dtcanada]

thank you so much for the comments...the reason why I chose 530i is because my dad only want v6...can't really afford a v8...horsepower is not really a factor to him...he is not much into performance neither..he prefer luxury and comfort...but he like the german name...

I guess I am just looking for reasons to persuade him into getting a lexus instead...cuz you get much more features for a lot less money....Lexus has a lot of impressive features that a BMW doesn't have...like a camera and navigation (comes standard with the lexus)...but i think the best thing about the lexus has to be the fuel comsumption...it's just simply awesome!

[lkn4deals]

thank you so much for the comments...the reason why I chose 530i is because my dad only want v6...can't really afford a v8...horsepower is not really a factor to him...he is not much into performance neither..he prefer luxury and comfort...but he like he german name...

I guess I am just looking for reasons to persuade him into getting a lexus instead...cuz you get much more features for a lot less money....Lexus has a lot of impressive features that a BMW doesn't have...like a camera and navigation (comes standard with the lexus)...but i think the best thing about the lexus has to be the fuel comsumption...it's just simply awesome!

hey dt, any idea where i can get some cheap fiberglass?

[will1087]

hey dt, any idea where i can get some cheap fiberglass?

did you try canadian tire?

I hear fiber glass is free.

[lkn4deals]

did you try canadian tire?

I hear fiber glass is free.


only if you don't want to wait in line and/or break a $50, right?

[will1087]

only if you don't want to wait in line and/or break a $50, right?

dont forget the spark plugs.

p.s. go lexus gs450h

[ViperZ]

If you are comparing those cars, then you should be comparing to at least 540-545-550i.

[dtcanada]

If you are comparing those cars, then you should be comparing to at least 540-545-550i.


i know 550i is more compariable...but like i said...I don't need/want a car with that big engine (that runs on gas)...and the 550i price is A LOT higher than the Lexus...after the upgrades...

[will1087]

good thing those cars have imobilizers though... just so you cant steal them.

[Evil Techie]

GS450H does not compare directly to 530i

it is more comparable to a 540i

basically, GS450H has the power of a V8 but the fuel economy of a V6
it is powerful, graceful and easy to drive

it handles well, but not as great as the new 5 series
nothing wrong with that though

i would definately take GS450H over 530i anyday
if comparing to 540i, i still might take GS450H

just a warning
the trunk is really small on the GS450H
u do need to take that into consideration
but lexus navigation and computer system >> BMW idrive
a touch screen is so much more intuitive than the friggin idrive

u should join www.clublexus.com/forums and read up on what the owners are saying

plus lexus is so reliable that a lot of lexus technicians are having a hard time finding work to do
while BMW technicians are kept pretty busy...

[frankies]

I dunno but If i'm gonna buy a $60,000 + car I'd choose a German anyday...no matter ppl say how good lexus is ...they are still not in the same league as BMW (more prestige)....try closing a door on a lexus, it sounds like a cheap car

[Evil Techie]

I dunno but If i'm gonna buy a $60,000 + car I'd choose a German anyday...no matter ppl say how good lexus is ...they are still not in the same league as BMW (more prestige)....try closing a door on a lexus, it sounds like a cheap car

i dont know what lexus doors uve closed
my GS's door closes like a champ
sounds great
interior and everything is very nice

its overall quality is higher than BMW
whatever prestigious status BMW has had has been taken over by Lexus mostly, in the last 5~8 years
most people nowadays would consider Lexus more luxurious than BMW while BMW makes better performance cars especially in the handling department
and lexus makes more comfortable sedans and SUVs

[gilboman]

I dunno but If i'm gonna buy a $60,000 + car I'd choose a German anyday...no matter ppl say how good lexus is ...they are still not in the same league as BMW (more prestige)....try closing a door on a lexus, it sounds like a cheap car

um...NO... prestige i cant argue about. but the lexus is built way way better than the 5 series (including the door closing sound) and the quality of materials makes the 5 series look like a cheap hyundai compared to the lexus

[dtcanada]

try closing a door on a lexus, it sounds like a cheap car

It sounds like you don't know much about Lexus...I personally have never own a Lexus...but as a big fan...I tried a lot of them...even my Avalon's door closes like a champ....have u close the door on the new Corolla lately? it sounds great too!

[frankies]

Man I guessed too many Lexus FREAKS here :cheesygri ......btw have u ever tried closing the door on a 5 or 7 series?? esp. the new 7 series man I still couldn't believe it the door is that SOLID (no matter how hard I slammed the door it didn't sound hollow/cheap) ...no comparison to any japanese cars. I can bet even the Lexus LS430 can't beat BMW in this department.

[dtcanada]

Man I guessed too many Lexus FREAKS here :cheesygri ......btw have u ever tried closing the door on a 5 or 7 series?? esp. the new 7 series man I still couldn't believe it the door is that SOLID (no matter how hard I slammed the door it didn't sound hollow/cheap) ...no comparison to any japanese cars. I can bet even the Lexus LS430 can't beat BMW in this department.

have u seen the price tag on the 7 series lately?!?! and it comes with NOTHING...u have to upgrade almost everything...and their upgrade price is FREAKING crazy

[johnwayne]

Wow, comparing the sound of how the door closes… :lol:
The Lexus does have a better interior (design and aesthetics). However, I find the BMW has a better exterior. Just tap on the outside door and between the Lexus and the BMW, the BMW sounds and feels stronger.
Although the touch screen is cool, it does leave marks which I don’t like. Another thing I don’t like is the lights under the front seats, in the winter they get dirty and become useless.
In my opinion, I would go with the Lexus unless you like something specific about the BMW (like its name).

[McLaren]

have u seen the price tag on the 7 series lately?!?! and it comes with NOTHING...u have to upgrade almost everything...and their upgrade price is FREAKING crazy

I'm sure you can afford it with all the free fiberglass you save on at crappytire.

[dtcanada]

I'm sure you can afford it with all the free fiberglass you save on at crappytire.

Okay...i don't get the joke...i mean...what the hell is a fiberglass? why would you want/need it?

[gilboman]

Man I guessed too many Lexus FREAKS here :cheesygri ......btw have u ever tried closing the door on a 5 or 7 series?? esp. the new 7 series man I still couldn't believe it the door is that SOLID (no matter how hard I slammed the door it didn't sound hollow/cheap) ...no comparison to any japanese cars. I can bet even the Lexus LS430 can't beat BMW in this department.

you should come out of the cave more often and actually pay attention to the fact that lexus has spanked BMW in quality for a long time.

the LS spanks the bimmer in all quality departments including your door. it will also be a lot more reliable as well and use much higher quality of materials and workmanship.

BMW's are great cars for handling, that is it. nothing else, they are much slower than all the new lexus in the same class. so it depends how importnat handling is to you compared to power, quality, reliability, craftmanship, customer service and luxury

[johnwayne]

Okay...i don't get the joke...i mean...what the hell is a fiberglass? why would you want/need it?
material made from fine fibers of glass

[Gordon]

I'd say go with the BMW. You'll be much happier. The BMW looks more sexy AND performes better :)

[gilboman]

I'd say go with the BMW. You'll be much happier. The BMW looks more sexy AND performes better :)

um..not a 530i compared to a 450h

[gheart008]

which car do you guys think is better?

Lexus GS450h comes with everything you can think of for a simple price tag of $77,000 (MSRP) while BMW with the same upgrades would comes to $85,000 MSRP...so which car would you prefer?

I personally like the Lexus...it's Hybird...v6 and it has 339hp while BMW only has 255hp...if it were up to me...I wouldn't even look at BMW...in my opinion...there are just too many of them on the road...and it's just a bigger version of the 3 series...plus, i think BMW is overrated...

Seems like you've already decided... and I agree with your decision. Lexus all the way!

[dtcanada]

material made from fine fibers of glass

sorry for my ignorance...but i still don't get the joke...oh well..

[dtcanada]

um..not a 530i compared to a 450h

Exactly! that's what I told my dad...while the 530i is nothing comparing to the 450h...the price is almost 10G more...doesn't make sense to me...I mean...how many 530i do you see on the street?? A LOT!! while I haven't seen any 450h on the road yet...

[sPiKyAZN]

Exactly! that's what I told my dad...while the 530i is nothing comparing to the 450h...the price is almost 10G more...doesn't make sense to me...I mean...how many 530i do you see on the street?? A LOT!! while I haven't seen any 450h on the road yet...

What options are you adding to make it 10k more?

[johnwayne]

Exactly! that's what I told my dad...while the 530i is nothing comparing to the 450h...the price is almost 10G more...doesn't make sense to me...I mean...how many 530i do you see on the street?? A LOT!! while I haven't seen any 450h on the road yet...
the 450h is somewhat new.

[Evil Techie]

Exactly! that's what I told my dad...while the 530i is nothing comparing to the 450h...the price is almost 10G more...doesn't make sense to me...I mean...how many 530i do you see on the street?? A LOT!! while I haven't seen any 450h on the road yet...


have u checked out the trunk size on the 450H yet?
make sure u are comfortable with that first

i think even a GS300 would be worth buying over 530i

[konfusion666]

have u checked out the trunk size on the 450H yet?
make sure u are comfortable with that first

i think even a GS300 would be worth buying over 530i

don't you find your GS300 a bit sluggish?

that's the only common complaint I've read in reviews of the car.

[flyinggonzo]

I prefer the Bimmer, mostly because I don't like the steering / feedback on the Lexus as much. There's less feedback, it feels overboosted, the chassis isn't nearly as fluid, and the weight distribution is not there.

But, for the same dough, the Lexus is faster in a straight line.

Take your pick.. The Lexus is the better vehicle if your sole criteria is getting from A to B.

But, if you enjoy driving - the type of person who wouldn't mind taking the long route once in a while because you enjoy being behind the wheel - the Bimmer is better.

This is not to say Lexus can't produce such a vehicle, but to date, they haven't. To me, a Lexus is far closer spiritually to a Benz. My comments would be the same if you were deciding between a Benz and a Bimmer.

[Evil Techie]

don't you find your GS300 a bit sluggish?

that's the only common complaint I've read in reviews of the car.

no, it actually has quite a bit of torque for its weight
mine is the 2001 though so previous model but the current GS300 has even more torque
trust me, its actually quite a handful sometimes but of course it is still lacking compared to the V8 GS430

the only complaint i have against my 01 GS is that it is a bit too soft on handling and a bit floaty and disconnected at high speeds

from what im hearing all over the internet, 06 GS handles pretty nicely

u could always wait until GS350 comes out
which is soon
the weight savings over a V8 and the additional amount of horsepower and torque is a winning combination


here is a wealthy amount of info on GS450H
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181088

GS350 is about a whole second quicker than GS300 in 0~60mph
i think it gets the same 306hp engine that IS350 gets
a lot of people are waiting for it
also it will get generation 5 navigation which will have better graphics
also plays MP3s

but GS300 can be had for under MSRP
when GS350 comes out, it will be around MSRP and that price might even be higher than GS300's MSRP

so do take those things into concern as well
IMO, GS450H is a very attractive package to get
the only thing that turned me off from upgrading is the tiny trunk
like i said, make sure you are comfortable with that size first

[dtcanada]

What options are you adding to make it 10k more?

BMW 530i base price is $67,800
Ventilated Seats +1,200
Cheapest 18" alloy wheels +2,500
Dynamic Handling Package +3,700
Premium Package +3,800
Navigation package +2,900
Rear Side Airbags +450
Comfort Access +1,200
Active Cruise Control +2,500
Electric Rear Sunshade +590
6-disc CD Changer +795

And the grand total is...$87,435

I am not saying that I would upgrade all of the options above...but the reason why I added it in is because Lexus has all of those options included in their base price...not only that...Lexus has a lot of other features that BMW can't even offer...I could be wrong...but here are some of the features that I think Lexus beat the hell out of BMW...


Hybrid!!
More horsepower for the gas comsumption
Mark Levinson 14-speaker, 330-watt audio system
Driver/front passenger knee and variable force airbags
10-way Power Adjustable Drivers Seat
Power Windows with Auto Up / Down for ALL Windows
Side Window Defoggers
Water Repellent Door Glass
Rain Sensing Wipers
Adaptive Front Lighting System
Headlamp Washers
DVD Based Navigation System with Backup Camera
Fuel Consumption - City/Highway L/100km ---> 8.7/7.8

[dtcanada]

have u checked out the trunk size on the 450H yet?
make sure u are comfortable with that first

i think even a GS300 would be worth buying over 530i

Thanks for the concern...and yes, i did...but I don't think we have problem with its size...my dad won't use the trunk much...we have other cheap car for that...hehe...from past experience...my dad most likely just park it in the garage and take it out once a week...

btw...my old neighbour used to have a GS300...or 400...not sure...but it was a really nice car...I loved it ever since...that...and the fact that she is HOT...hehe :cheesygri

[lexus]

I own a 98 GS300 and must admit it is a damn good car.
After 8 years of enjoyment, I am ready to go for the new model. GS450h is not in my budget and I am more on the GS350 AWD. Of course my wife wants the new 2007 ES350.

Both of them are good after test drive.

If you are going to keep your car for long (> 4 years). I believe Lexus is a better deal. First on maintaince cost, then deprection value.

Good luck

[bionicbadger]

um..no... the evo, NSX, STi, Skyline etc...all will easily rival if not surpass the germans.
um, Audi RS4 or RS6, Mercedes AMG, many Porsches, BMW M series(M5), surpass those japanese cars (though are more expensive).

[johnwayne]

um, Audi RS4 or RS6, Mercedes AMG, many Porsches, BMW M series(M5), surpass those japanese cars (though are more expensive).
First of all we are comparing the 530 to the 450h.
Secondly most of the cars you have mentioned do not compete against the Skyline, NSX or the Sti.
Third, If we compare class to class; the Skyline will beat the 330, clk350.
The S2000 will smoke the z4, TT, boxter (non S) on the tracks. The NSX perfoms better than the 911. Go check out some track statistics.
Fourth, keep in mind that Japan has a bhp limit on all cars sold there. That is why we never see a 400+hp NSX.

[ssainani]

The NSX perfoms better than the 911. Go check out some track statistics..

:confused:

i think you should do a little more learning

[sPiKyAZN]

First of all we are comparing the 530 to the 450h.
Secondly most of the cars you have mentioned do not compete against the Skyline, NSX or the Sti.
Third, If we compare class to class; the Skyline will beat the 330, clk350.
The S2000 will smoke the z4, TT, boxter (non S) on the tracks. The NSX perfoms better than the 911. Go check out some track statistics.
Fourth, keep in mind that Japan has a bhp limit on all cars sold there. That is why we never see a 400+hp NSX.

of course they skyline will beat the 330 and the clk350...the skyline is a awd sports car while the 330 is a sports sedan and a clk350 is a luxury coupe.

[johnwayne]

The current skyline 350gt is RWD.
I meant the 330ci.

[sPiKyAZN]

The current skyline 350gt is RWD.
I meant the 330ci.

Cmon man thats not a real skyline! it's gotta be GT-R!

[johnwayne]

:confused:

i think you should do a little more learning

http://www.nsxprime.com/Gallery/multimedia/porsche_911-nsx_type_s_zero.mpg
google:
NSX R vs Murcielago vs Gallardo vs 360 Modena vs M3 CSL vs 911 Turbo

Also Nuerburgring lap times:
7:56 --- Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale (02/2004)
7:56 --- Porsche 996 Turbo
7:56 --- Honda NSX-R - Motoharu Kurosawa, Best MOTORing
7:56 --- Chevrolet Corvette CE Z06

Again, go check out some track statistics

[johnwayne]

Cmon man thats not a real skyline! it's gotta be GT-R!
They don't make it anymore, and I was referring cars in the same relative class.
Or you can look at it in this way:
G35 coupe vs 330ci vs CLK350

[Evil Techie]

anyways back on topic

OP, are you able to get a hold of a Neiman Markus edition of the GS450H?

[sPiKyAZN]

They don't make it anymore, and I was referring cars in the same relative class.
Or you can look at it in this way:
G35 coupe vs 330ci vs CLK350

Okay understood. G35 doesn't own that class though. Acceleration wise the 330ci and g35 are about even, and I don't know about the clk350. From what i have heard and read, the G35 also tends to understeer more than the bmw.

http://www.nsxprime.com/Gallery/multimedia/porsche_911-nsx_type_s_zero.mpg
google:
NSX R vs Murcielago vs Gallardo vs 360 Modena vs M3 CSL vs 911 Turbo

Also Nuerburgring lap times:
7:56 --- Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale (02/2004)
7:56 --- Porsche 996 Turbo
7:56 --- Honda NSX-R - Motoharu Kurosawa, Best MOTORing
7:56 --- Chevrolet Corvette CE Z06

Again, go check out some track statistics

That's only one source. Also, it really depends on which 911 too. The fastest 911 is wayy faster than the fastest NSX. Check out the Top gear lap times here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/powerlaps.shtml)

Porsche GT3 RS 1.22.3
Porsche 911 GT3 1.27.2
Porsche 911 Carrera S 1.28.9 (very wet)
Honda NSX Type R 1.31.6

[johnwayne]

Okay understood. G35 doesn't own that class though. Acceleration wise the 330ci and g35 are about even, and I don't know about the clk350. From what i have heard and read, the G35 also tends to understeer more than the bmw.



That's only one source. Also, it really depends on which 911 too. The fastest 911 is wayy faster than the fastest NSX. Check out the Top gear lap times here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/powerlaps.shtml)

Porsche GT3 RS 1.22.3
Porsche 911 GT3 1.27.2
Porsche 911 Carrera S 1.28.9 (very wet)
Honda NSX Type R 1.31.6
clk350: 0-60 in 6.4sec
330ci: 0-60 in 6.7 sec.
b35coupe: 0-60 in 6.1sec.
The BMW does handle a bit better out of the three.

I know, there are many versions of the 911. Comparable to the N/A NSX is the Porsche targa and like the NSX, it is not made anymore. It had a similar performance to the 911 Carrera, which did not perform as well as the NSX.
Also note that the NSX typeR was tested on a very wet track and the reviewers said add about 3-4sec on dry. Reason why it does not say that on their website is beyond me.

[ssainani]

http://www.nsxprime.com/Gallery/multimedia/porsche_911-nsx_type_s_zero.mpg
google:
NSX R vs Murcielago vs Gallardo vs 360 Modena vs M3 CSL vs 911 Turbo

Also Nuerburgring lap times:
7:56 --- Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale (02/2004)
7:56 --- Porsche 996 Turbo
7:56 --- Honda NSX-R - Motoharu Kurosawa, Best MOTORing
7:56 --- Chevrolet Corvette CE Z06

Again, go check out some track statistics


yeah -- you pick the $500,000.00 nsx to compare to the stock other cars. very good. do you know you can all 4 of those cars for the price of 1 nsx?

here is the normal stock nsx

8:16.15 149.471 km/h -- Honda NSX

here is the audi rs4 -- a 4 door, 4 seater car which is cheaper than the mighty nsx

8:09 --- 151.656 km/h – Audi RS4

[johnwayne]

yeah -- you pick the $500,000.00 nsx to compare to the stock other cars. very good. do you know you can all 4 of those cars for the price of 1 nsx?

here is the normal stock nsx

8:16.15 149.471 km/h -- Honda NSX

here is the audi rs4 -- a 4 door, 4 seater car which is cheaper than the mighty nsx

8:09 --- 151.656 km/h – Audi RS4
What? That NSX is about 100,000-110,000 US.
And, that is a stock typeR NSX.
The RS4 does it in 8:25
I am well aware that the rs4 is a 4dr car. But, what is the power difference?

[sPiKyAZN]

The 2007 335i coupe (to replace the 330ci) has 300hp and will do 0-60 in 5.3 seconds.

An RS4 is a more hardcore S4 lol...the RS4 starts at 66k USD

The RS4 is AWD and has a 420hp V8.

[dtcanada]

anyways back on topic

OP, are you able to get a hold of a Neiman Markus edition of the GS450H?

Uh...hehe...I like Lexus...but I don't know much about them...hehe...what is Neiman Markus edition?

[johnwayne]

The 2007 335i coupe (to replace the 330ci) has 300hp and will do 0-60 in 5.3 seconds.

An RS4 is a more hardcore S4 lol...the RS4 starts at 66k USD

The RS4 is AWD and has a 420hp V8.
come on now,
I was comparing what is availible today.

[sPiKyAZN]

Well you're basically comparing last gen's bmw....the 335i is comming in the fall anyways

[Evil Techie]

Uh...hehe...I like Lexus...but I don't know much about them...hehe...what is Neiman Markus edition?

http://www.lexus.com/2007gsh_neimanmarcus/?s_ocid=20277

so only 74 available to buy

and 20 has been bought by clublexus members already
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=214991

but not all that special anyways
just some extra gimmicks i think

[dtcanada]

http://www.lexus.com/2007gsh_neimanmarcus/?s_ocid=20277

so only 74 available to buy

and 20 has been bought by clublexus members already
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=214991

but not all that special anyways
just some extra gimmicks i think

wow..thanks for the info! i doubt I will ever run into these limited edition cars...it's not that great anyway...but it's good to know..thanks!

[gilboman]

yeah -- you pick the $500,000.00 nsx to compare to the stock other cars. very good. do you know you can all 4 of those cars for the price of 1 nsx?

here is the normal stock nsx

8:16.15 149.471 km/h -- Honda NSX

here is the audi rs4 -- a 4 door, 4 seater car which is cheaper than the mighty nsx

8:09 --- 151.656 km/h – Audi RS4

as much as i think the NSX is outdated..the NSX-R is not 500,000 :lol:

[corrupt123]

http://www.lexus.com/2007gsh_neimanmarcus/?s_ocid=20277

so only 74 available to buy

and 20 has been bought by clublexus members already
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=214991

but not all that special anyways
just some extra gimmicks i think

ahahahahaha

Special edition, and it comes with floor mats and a badge on the console? Thas a disgusting ripoff.

Anyways... buy an M5. then you'll be happy.

[Evil Techie]

ahahahahaha

Special edition, and it comes with floor mats and a badge on the console? Thas a disgusting ripoff.

Anyways... buy an M5. then you'll be happy.

well its for ppl that want to feel extra special
because its got a dedicated paint colour for just the 75 of them
all other GS comes with choices of paint other than that

so it will be one of a kind in your area

but IMO, a GS450H is already one of a kind

[DJ_Peanuts22]

Gs450h

[blizzah]

My family has the 2007 530i and it is a very nice car. We never really considered the Lexus but did look at the E350, and the 530 was just better. Both are good cars and will get you from point A to B comfortably.

What's it matter if it takes a car 8 sec or 10 sec, I'm sure those 2 sec will not affect you long term. If you're going to be racing Skylines, R4s and NSXs, please get off this forum. It doesn't matter whether the GS or 530 is faster in a straight line, there are many more factors more important.

Go test drive both, or have your father test drive both and decide then. Many of the upgrades in the BMW are unnecessary and the feeling of a BMW is better than a Lexus anyday and you can't upgrade that on a Lexus.

[gilboman]

My family has the 2007 530i and it is a very nice car. We never really considered the Lexus but did look at the E350, and the 530 was just better. Both are good cars and will get you from point A to B comfortably.

What's it matter if it takes a car 8 sec or 10 sec, I'm sure those 2 sec will not affect you long term. If you're going to be racing Skylines, R4s and NSXs, please get off this forum. It doesn't matter whether the GS or 530 is faster in a straight line, there are many more factors more important.

Go test drive both, or have your father test drive both and decide then. Many of the upgrades in the BMW are unnecessary and the feeling of a BMW is better than a Lexus anyday and you can't upgrade that on a Lexus.

true...just like you can't upgrade quality in a BMW to that of a lexus or the craftmanship or service or build quality or fuel economy.

you are right about acceleration which is same with handling what's it matter how fast the slalom or g's it can generate if that's not what you want.

unless you are driving at 9/10ths all the time, the handling is not much difference, think of what you will experience everyday, the comfort/qualiyt of interior and ergonomics, gas milage and passing power etc...

[kevs]

Here's a recent review of the GS450h from Fifth Gear in the UK:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=CyWB972Et4Y&search=fifth%20gear%20gs450h

That start up procedure is pretty neat. I agree that the CVT is a bit weird but it probably won't take long to get used to it, and no real "shifting" means a very smooth journey up to high speeds :) .

What really strikes me as odd is that in the UK, the GS450h starts at a significantly lower price than the GS430, whereas here in Canada the 450h starts at slightly more than the GS430. They have some kind of tax based on the displacement of a car's engine over there, right? Maybe something to do with that inflates the GS430's price.

[SodiumSulfate]

Here's another review: http://www.canadiandriver.com/testdrives/07gs450h.htm