calgarymuslims.com thread about the 17

[lip1978]

http://www.calgarymuslims.com/home/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=60&topic=116.0

I just thought it would be an interesting link to hear what certain Muslims are saying about the alleged plot.
Please don't post in the thread, unless you happen to be a Calgarian Muslim.

[xKagex]

Thanks :)

The people there make some good posts, especially about the bias in media.

[d_jedi]

The day will come when we will all be praying to Allah to send us such brothers as these seventeen. The sadness here is that they were stopped, and that they were, no doubt, betrayed by Apostate Muslims, who serve their secular masters as payed government spies.
:eek:
If there is anti-muslim bias in Canadian society, we have people like this to thank for it.

[CroatianGuy]

I find that quote quite interesting.
Most interesting is how little outrage there was about it.
If I was the guy running the forum I would have deleted that post.

Who is the guy that made the post?

Apartment
« on: May 15, 2006, 12:02:43 PM »

Single Muslim Male, 46, non-smoker, urgently requires a studio or small one-bedroom apartment by June 1. Prefer something near the downtown Musalla, or the University.

Jazak Allah Khair.


Hmmm is he an angry man because he is not getting any loving?

[NG]

http://www.calgarymuslims.com/home/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=60&topic=116.0

I just thought it would be an interesting link to hear what certain Muslims are saying about the alleged plot.
Please don't post in the thread, unless you happen to be a Calgarian Muslim.

With some of the people on RFD this can't turn out good...

[FastFokker]

With some of the people on RFD this can't turn out good...That potential avalanche is already breaking loose. See the 2 posts above yours. :arrowu:

[lip1978]

Well, there all posts on that forum from all sorts of Muslims. People were asking what average Muslims were saying, and that's a possible window to the answer. There are those that say they only have themselves and their communities to blame, others who think that the ones who do come out and say something are getting the short end of the stick (I agree with that), and you get 1 or 2 people who agree with the alleged plot.

[NG]

That potential avalanche is already breaking loose. See the 2 posts above yours. :arrowu:

Oy vey....why do I see a newspaper article about this?

Note: I changed my statement not because I don't believe there are people bigoted against Islam on RFD just that no matter how I wrote the sentence it just sounded grammatically incorrect.

[d_jedi]

That potential avalanche is already breaking loose. See the 2 posts above yours. :arrowu:
Do you disagree with my post?

[Rehan]

Some of the negative reaction towards media, gov't, police, etc. is due to what happened with "Project Thread"... anyone remember that?

Comments like those from nonation are shocking yet not unexpected. :(

[Lonely Soldier Boy]

Do you disagree with my post?

D_Jedi,

http://www.findmycountry.ca/2006/06/03234024/home.html

Does reading the above assuage your fears?

People like nonation are losers. The guy is 40something and is still going to school. He is probably an immigrant who has spent his entire life reading propaganda in local newspapers wherever he lived. These people have long memories, and tend to remember two things - where their "brothers" suffered, and where the West helped. They don't recall how Arabs treat Palestinians, they don't care how Iraqi soldiers that killed Kurds were Iraqis (not Americans) or anything like that.

All they care about is finding a target to justify their own pathetic failed lives.

I've made my feelings about people like him clear.

[gei]

It's very nice to see that some Muslims are discussing this action and how they are against it. However comments like this absolutely blow me away:

The day will come when we will all be praying to Allah to send us such brothers as these seventeen. The sadness here is that they were stopped, and that they were, no doubt, betrayed by Apostate Muslims, who serve their secular masters as payed government spies.

The fact that there are people out there that think like this REALLY disturbs me... and is a detriment to all the decent muslims out there.

[CroatianGuy]

Some of the negative reaction towards media, gov't, police, etc. is due to what happened with "Project Thread"... anyone remember that?

Comments like those from nonation are shocking yet not unexpected. :(

So what are you as a Muslim going to do about comments such as those?

I am just a stupid white guy.
If I tried to do anything I would be labled a racist.

According to Statistics Canada in the 2001 census there were 579,640 Muslims in Canada.

If 1/20th of 1% (or 1 in every two thousand) were radical wingnuts with the potential to be terrorists that means that statistically speaking there could be 290 potential terrorists.

Scary eh?

[Txiasaeia]

The fact that there are people out there that think like this REALLY disturbs me... and is a detriment to all the decent muslims out there.

It's a blow to humanity itself that some people think that violence solves problems. What a naive, short-sighted, self-destructive, idiotic collection of "intelligent" life we humans are.

[Casanova]

So what are you as a Muslim going to do about comments such as those?

I am just a stupid white guy.
If I tried to do anything I would be labled a racist.

According to Statistics Canada in the 2001 census there were 579,640 Muslims in Canada.

If 1/20th of 1% (or 1 in every two thousand) were radical wingnuts with the potential to be terrorists that means that statistically speaking there could be 290 potential terrorists.

Scary eh?

yeah, do like you did in Yugoslavia, that should solve everything :confused:

[FastFokker]

Do you disagree with my post?Yes, because the OP specifically asked you to only post if you are a Muslim from Calgary, but you felt it necessary to find a post on the site which would incite people and you pasted it here against his wishes.I am just a stupid white guy. :lol: Well at least you're honest!

[d_jedi]

Yes, because the OP specifically asked you to only post if you are a Muslim from Calgary, but you felt it necessary to find a post on the site which would incite people and you pasted it here against his wishes.
:confused:
He was talking about the thread on the Calgary muslims site..

so..
beyond that, do you agree or disagree with my post?

[M@rk]

wow... that was quick... scroll down to post #8... there's an RFD link to this thread :-0

[konfusion666]

yeah, do like you did in Yugoslavia, that should solve everything :confused:

Bahahahaha. Careful Casa, this guy thinks he's a volunteer CSIS agent.

[Lonely Soldier Boy]

wow... that was quick... scroll down to post #8... there's an RFD link to this thread :-0

That was me.

I'd like idiots like him to be faced with what he said so he could realize what a total ****ing moron he looked like.

[FastFokker]

beyond that, do you agree or disagree with my post?No I don't agree.

[d_jedi]

No I don't agree.
So you don't believe that comments praising these (alleged - but with pretty damned indicting proof..) terrorists is harmful for Muslims in Canada? Why is that?

[CroatianGuy]

yeah, do like you did in Yugoslavia, that should solve everything :confused:

Shows your ignorance of historical facts. What exactly did Croatians do wrong in the war in Yugoslavia?

Croatia did not want to be a part of Yugoslavia - we wanted out.

Slovenia was the first to secede - the Serbs huffed and puffed but did nothing.

Next was Croatia - we seceded but the Serbs moved their military into Croatia to stop us from leaving. What were we supposed to do? The Serbs started the shooting.

Next Bosnia Hercegovina wanted to secede and yet again the Serbs used their military to put a stop to it.

Even today Montenegro seceded from their union with Serbia.

For that reason I can empathize with Quebec's separtist wishes. For that reason if Quebec wanted to separate i would support them and not want to fight it. Lesson learned.

[CroatianGuy]

No I don't agree.

I wonder if FF is enjoying being an agent provocateur
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur

[FastFokker]

So you don't believe that comments praising these (alleged - but with pretty damned indicting proof..) terrorists is harmful for Muslims in Canada? Why is that?You said:

"If there is anti-muslim bias in Canadian society, we have people like this to thank for it."

I don't agree that we have an anti-muslim bias because of people like that.

There are extremists and nutcases within the Christian religion, why does Canadian society not embrace an anti-christian bias? :confused:

[konfusion666]

I wonder if FF is enjoying being an agent provocateur
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur

An agent provocateur (plural: agents provocateurs) is a person assigned to provoke unrest, violence, debate, or argument by or within a group while acting as a member of the group but covertly representing the interests of another.

Sounds like you, actually.

[TheRide]

I just hope these recent actions don't increase the number of IGNORANT people who believe all Muslims are terrorists or cannot be trusted. According to the CIA fact sheet, there are about 1.6 BILLION Muslims in the world. If the teachings preached terrorism the world would be a hellova worse place than it is right now.

[CheapScotsman]

:eek:
If there is anti-muslim bias in Canadian society, we have people like this to thank for it.
Hmmm ... I don't think there is a anti-muslim bias in Canadian society .. but I guess that depends on what you mean about 'bias"

None of my friends or associates that I have talked to about this has indicated any bias against Muslims (like we should round up or legislated special monitoring or ???) . However, a number of them have voice concerns that, of all the major religions (or those claiming to be part of one), Islam seems to have the most/largest radical elements with a penchant for violence/terrorism ... with the potential for direct impact on Canada/the western world.

[d_jedi]

You said:

"If there is anti-muslim bias in Canadian society, we have people like this to thank for it."

I don't agree that we have an anti-muslim bias because of people like that.
It certainly contributes to it.

There are extremists and nutcases within the Christian religion, why does Canadian society not embrace an anti-christian bias? :confused:
I don't know of many (any?) Christians in recent times using the bible as an excuse for terrorism.

[rocafellarec]

"The day will come when we will all be praying to Allah to send us such brothers as these seventeen. The sadness here is that they were stopped, and that they were, no doubt, betrayed by Apostate Muslims, who serve their secular masters as payed government spies."

can someone please report to the police this terrorist?

[CroatianGuy]

An agent provocateur (plural: agents provocateurs) is a person assigned to provoke unrest, violence, debate, or argument by or within a group while acting as a member of the group but covertly representing the interests of another.

Sounds like you, actually.

Buddy - I am not the one building bombs with the desire to blow up Canadians - get your shite right.

As for post #8 on the Calgary Muslim website - the claim that Islam is the second larget religion in Canada is wrong.

Catholic 12,936,905
Protestant 8,654,850
Other Christian 780,450
Muslim 579,640
Christian Orthodox 479,620
Jewish 329,995
Buddhist 300,345
Hindu 297,200
Sikh 278,410

[Casanova]

An agent provocateur (plural: agents provocateurs) is a person assigned to provoke unrest, violence, debate, or argument by or within a group while acting as a member of the group but covertly representing the interests of another.

Sounds like you, actually.
:cheesygri

[atforum]

"will we also blame the ones who have forcefully occupied muslim nations in the name of peace and freedom??"

this gentleman happily forgot the fact the intial empire built my the great Prophet himself was due to wars. Probably this gentleman will support dismantling entire arabia. :D

"To me murders of innocent people be it muslim or non muslim,,childrens....women...rapes etc.....are of more concern then "a terror threat"....."

One is geonicide and the other is terrorism. And both are so horrible

"The day will come when we will all be praying to Allah to send us such brothers as these seventeen. The sadness here is that they were stopped, and that they were, no doubt, betrayed by Apostate Muslims, who serve their secular masters as payed government spies."

I hope the day comes and the only casualities are the posters family. What will these fellow then say :confused:

If a dog gets killed here it would get more coverage then several hundred women raped and people massacred in Bosnia,Kashmir,Iraq,Afghanistan,Chechnya,Palestine everyday
WE are staying in canada. So you can get only canadian news. If you want other news either you need to pay for world channels or shift yourself to that place :D

"Never in the history of mankind, humanity must have seen the oppression, tyranny and unjustness which it is witnessing and bearing today"
There have been lot. What is happening in places like congo is as horrible

I'll start by saying what we are doing right. Organizations like CAIR (in the US and Canada) and all the local organizations like the MCC send out press releases to condemn terrorist attacks and such. Unfortunately, the media usually does not report this, and so obviously they aren't interested in participating in the Western Muslim community's desire to condemn it

CNN was carrying this as the lead story and so were CBC, CTV, the star, gazatte etc. Probably this gentleman does not know to read :D :D


It would talk about the problems Muslims face around the World, and how the Quran and Sunnah shows how we should handle it.
Well the first thing he has to understand is he is in canada. If there is some discrimination here or torture he has to raise his voice about that. If there is a problem in iraq that he wants to avenge, he got to pack his bags, fly to iraq and fight against the army there. Bringing buildings down proves he is a big fool

well cant read more..its ruly disgusting. I am sure RCMP will have an eye on that site :| better this guy should be careful

[atforum]

Buddy - I am not the one building bombs with the desire to blow up Canadians - get your shite right.

As for post #8 on the Calgary Muslim website - the claim that Islam is the second larget religion in Canada is wrong.

Catholic 12,936,905
Protestant 8,654,850
Other Christian 780,450
Muslim 579,640
Christian Orthodox 479,620
Jewish 329,995
Buddhist 300,345
Hindu 297,200
Sikh 278,410


Why do you make christians into 3 subgroups. in that case muslims got to be divided into shias and sunnis. Hindus into brahmins, non-brahmins, vaishnavas etc.

I would be interested in knowing the birth rate in each of these communities as well :twisted:

[Lonely Soldier Boy]

It certainly contributes to it.


I don't know of many (any?) Christians in recent times using the bible as an excuse for terrorism.

Ah, that's quite a play on words.

They might not be using the Bible, but there were Christians using their religion as an excuse for violence not too long ago. Terrorism even - I.R.A. (To clarify, it was secretarian violence, but it wasn't based on any religious principle per se)

Please don't play word semantics. I get the feeling that you are someone who strives to appreciate the truth, not a simple partisan puppet - I really do. We both know that religion is used by people to justify their own actions, and the religion itself is meaningless.

When someone holds tight to hatred or narrow-mindedness for too long, it consumes his soul. It is happening to people all over the world. It could happen to you. Keep an open mind, and don't post to make "Political points" - we all know no one ever changed their mind on the Internet. (The sheer irony of me trying to change your mind is not lost on me. Maybe it is just an intellectual exercise for us both?)

[CheapScotsman]

You said:

"If there is anti-muslim bias in Canadian society, we have people like this to thank for it."

I don't agree that we have an anti-muslim bias because of people like that. I agree

There are extremists and nutcases within the Christian religion, why does Canadian society not embrace an anti-christian bias? :confused:Cause we (the western wold ... including Isreal) don't see christians hijacking planes and flying them into buildings or buddist lining up by the 10s and destroying busses filled with civilians.

I think the perception is that Islam has "more" radical elements with a desire for violence/terrorism that potential targets the western world (sure the tamils have theirs and the Sikhs/Hindus have their but that isn't targetting the western world).

but I also think that the average Canadian is smart enough to know that the average Muslim is no different that the average (name any other religion) with respect to violence, terrorism, love your neighbor, etc.

[FastFokker]

I don't know of many (any?) Christians in recent times using the bible as an excuse for terrorism.Suppose it's that problematic definition of "terrorism".. lets change that from "terrorism" to acts of violence for ease of conversation.

You have not heard of Christians inflicting acts of violence? What about the targetting of abortion clinics and the employees? Targetting of homosexuals with acts of violence? I mean, that's two.. but surely there's plenty more instances if you needed a list for some reason.

My point isn't to cast Christianity into a bad light, but to show that other religious peoples can act wrongfully as well.. but for some reason we just have this strong social aversion to Arabs and seemingly worse, Muslim Arabs! :eek:

[konfusion666]

Buddy - I am not the one building bombs with the desire to blow up Canadians - get your shite right.

You registered on this board 3 days ago for the sole purpose of bashing Muslims and generating hatred, suspicion and fear towards Islamic-Canadians. You have not contributed in any way to any of the other forums on this site. If you're not an agent provocateur, then the dictionary has got it all wrong.

[FastFokker]

As for post #8 on the Calgary Muslim website - the claim that Islam is the second larget religion in Canada is wrong.

Catholic 12,936,905
Protestant 8,654,850
Other Christian 780,450
Muslim 579,640
Christian Orthodox 479,620
Jewish 329,995
Buddhist 300,345
Hindu 297,200
Sikh 278,410Umm.. Catholic, Protestant and "other Christian" are all Christian. That would make Islam the second religion on the list, no?

[UrbanPoet]

Buddy - I am not the one building bombs with the desire to blow up Canadians - get your shite right.

As for post #8 on the Calgary Muslim website - the claim that Islam is the second larget religion in Canada is wrong.

Catholic 12,936,905
Protestant 8,654,850
Other Christian 780,450
Muslim 579,640
Christian Orthodox 479,620
Jewish 329,995
Buddhist 300,345
Hindu 297,200
Sikh 278,410

I think he claimed muslim as the 2nd largest b/c people like to lump all the different demonination of christianity together....
correct me if im wrong but i beleive there are also slightly different types of muslims.. Sunny? shiite (excuse me for the spellign! correct me if im wrong)
kinda like that..

[NG]

Quote from: nonation on June 05, 2006, 08:15:25 AM
The day will come when we will all be praying to Allah to send us such brothers as these seventeen. The sadness here is that they were stopped, and that they were, no doubt, betrayed by Apostate Muslims, who serve their secular masters as payed government spies.

You are an idiot. Call me an Apostate Muslim if you want, I will let Allah (SBT) choose whose worship he places at a higher level.

If someone wanted to fight evil, there is no better place to start than in their own countries. I can think of a million things wrong in Pakistan, and in the Arab world. Violence here will bring nothing - nothing to a country whose second largest religion is Islam. Why do people like you keep soiling our reputation? If you want to fight, go fight with the armies of those who oppose you - not with people who have done nothing and may yet be Muslims or friends of Muslims someday. (If you think a Christian can't be the friend of a Muslim, have you forgotten what the Ethopian King did for the companions who fled Mecca?)

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=298314

I hope you're proud of yourself.

-edit-

I'm a Montreal Muslim, BTW. Ask yourself, if they are guilty, and had succeeded in what they had done, what if it were your mother, your brother, your sister, or any family member in the blast? Now what if it was someone else's? How would that help Islam in any way? If it doesn't help Islam, and it is in effect an unislamic activity, how can you possibly say we should be praising these people?

Anger is weakness. The rehabilitation of the Islamic world will be through our hard work, our effort - it is our discovery of Islam away from our ancestral homes which are cesspools of unislamic traditions and bad habits. If they weren't, they wouldn't be such unpleasent places to live.


http://www.calgarymuslims.com/home/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=60&topic=116.0
I'm not sure what to say...

[CroatianGuy]

You registered on this board 3 days ago for the sole purpose of bashing Muslims and generating hatred, suspicion and fear towards Islamic-Canadians. You have not contributed in any way to any of the other forums on this site. If you're not an agent provocateur, then the dictionary has got it all wrong.

All I have said is that I am AFRAID. I am not the one making bombs. I am not the terrorist. I don't know what your agenda is but you just do not make sense. Would you criticize a family for being afraid if they just found out that there was a pedophile in the neighborhood?

How can I be spreading more suspision and fear than the suspision and fear that the terrorists that are building the bombs are? How can I possibly spread more suspision and fear than the news on TV, the radio and in the newspapers are? Interesting that the vast majority of people that I speak to in REAL LIFE and not this pathetic board of terrorist sympathizers - most people are appalled and afraid. People want more police presence. People want more CSIS resources.

You seem to imply that I registered here for the sole reason that I wanted to do something malicious against the Muslim community. That is not the truth. If you look at my posts -

Jun 3rd, 2006, 09:20 PM
Long & McQuade 50th Anniversary Sale

Jun 4th, 2006, 09:38 AM
Another hottie teacher having sex with student

Jun 4th, 2006, 11:23 PM
Police make terrorism-related arrests in Toronto area, RCMP spokeswoman says

I signed up to tell someone that a Guitar Sale was not really a great sale. I know a bit about guitars and so wanted to share my knowledge. This post was made BEFORE we knew anything about the terrorist arrests. My second post was just a silly post about the teacher in Texas. Then we got sucked into the terrorist issue which happened later. I did not initiate the posts - someone else did. I commented on the issues that I did not agree with. I then got sucked into stupid debate with terrorist sympathizers.



K666 - So you are saying if I don't have 4,000 worthless posts like you do then what I have to say does not mean anything? I have been reading RFD for about a month. The stupidity that I saw here made me want to register and say what I had to say. Is that wrong? What an interesting sociological study this would make. Did you ever read "Lord of the Flies"? Which character are you? Just out of curiosity - why the 666? Do you think you are cool because your worship satan?

FF - As for your comments about religious classifications - that is the way that it is presented by Statistics Canada - those are not my classifications. I guess the people in Statistics Canada know things that we do not.

UrbanPoet - I guess that I would say that many people would say there is a big difference between being a Catholic and being a Protestant - one group has the Pope in the Vatican while the Protestants said "screw you" to the Pope. I guess that is the reason that they are separate religions.

FF - your comments are so contrarian to what I say that it seems that you say the opposite just so that you can be seen. Unfortunately you are so contrarian that you start to become a caricature that we laugh at rather than listen to.

[Sonbuster]

there are muslims in calgary?

[Blunt]

Hey, report that guy posting on calgarymuslims to CSIS.
They'll keep a good 'watch' on him.

[afong56]

According to Statistics Canada in the 2001 census there were 579,640 Muslims in Canada.

If 1/20th of 1% (or 1 in every two thousand) were radical wingnuts with the potential to be terrorists that means that statistically speaking there could be 290 potential terrorists.

Scary eh?


why are you fearmongering?

i am neither muslim nor christian, but can see the fallacious nature of your statements. should we live our lives in fear of (as your suggested numbers imply) the potential actions of a tiny fraction of a percentage of one particular group? are you implying that we should judge the entire group by the alleged actions of a miniscule minority?

what is scary is the backlash that you are encouraging through your posts--what i fear most is the crass generalizations that will allow discrimination and prejudice to grow as a result of irrational fear--fear that you are actively attempting to promote.

[nrXic]

CNN was carrying this as the lead story and so were CBC, CTV, the star, gazatte etc. Probably this gentleman does not know to read :D :D

Actually, it's your reading comprehension that is in question. I said that the media does not report CAIR's condemnations of any attacks in the past. Attacks that have been carried out. I wasn't even referring to the current situation.

Well the first thing he has to understand is he is in canada. If there is some discrimination here or torture he has to raise his voice about that. If there is a problem in iraq that he wants to avenge, he got to pack his bags, fly to iraq and fight against the army there. Bringing buildings down proves he is a big fool

I don't know if you got mixed up...or perhaps you have issues...the comment I made that you just replied to was this: "It would talk about the problems Muslims face around the World, and how the Quran and Sunnah shows how we should handle it.", in reference to my website.

What does your comment have to do with my statement? Absolutely nothing. And so it has to be a very silly mistake on your part. Is it?

CroationGuy: Different sources have different numbers for the number of terrorists within the Islamic World, but even if you added them up to also account for sympathizers or ideological supporters, you still get a number in the 2 million range. 2 million (which btw is mostly concentrated in certain parts of the World) of 1.6 billion is 0.125% of the entire population.

CheapScotsman: I agree with your comment:

I think the perception is that Islam has "more" radical elements with a desire for violence/terrorism that potential targets the western world (sure the tamils have theirs and the Sikhs/Hindus have their but that isn't targetting the western world).

And there is a simple reason for that...this terrorism is a politically motivated response to the Western's sphere of influence. Had it been the Russians or Chinese involved in the Middle East in the same manner the US has been, they would have been made targets as well.

It's unfortunate though, that organizations like Al Qaeda have been able to hijack the religion and make it seem like a religious conflict, when it isn't. Religion (as in the past) is being used as a political tool to carry out the ideals of a certain person.

[xKagex]

If in fact the post on the muslim forum was an accurate portrayal of his/her views, and not just a post meant to stir up even more anger and hatred towards Islam and muslims - I hope people like him realize that they are only hurting their cause.

Because I don't see what muslims, extremist or not, have to gain from "terrorism", I am really skeptical about any media that portrays them as such. I generally view that blame lies with those parties who have the most to gain from terrorism (ie: governments, media, security corporations, war lobbyists, etc).

Let me just accept for a moment that people like that do exist. It's a bit reminiscent of people who bomb abortion centers because they are against the murder of unborn children. To most pro-life people, the idea of using murder to stop murder is completely wrong, but for some reason there are always the extremists that end up giving the REAL pro-lifers a bad name. (Please don't turn this into an abortion thread, and I do realize that many people don't consider abortion as murder.)

Basically, I'm arguing that activities like this actually end up "clouding" the cause, and therefore end up having the completely opposite effect that is actually intended. It is for this reason that I'm very skeptical about any of these stories, especially when it's so obvious that we're living in a very (and I hate to use the word) Zionist world.

[xKagex]

Actually, it's your reading comprehension that is in question. I said that the media does not report CAIR's condemnations of any attacks in the past. Attacks that have been carried out. I wasn't even referring to the current situation.



I don't know if you got mixed up...or perhaps you have issues...the comment I made that you just replied to was this: "It would talk about the problems Muslims face around the World, and how the Quran and Sunnah shows how we should handle it.", in reference to my website.

What does your comment have to do with my statement? Absolutely nothing. And so it has to be a very silly mistake on your part. Is it?

CroationGuy: Different sources have different numbers for the number of terrorists within the Islamic World, but even if you added them up to also account for sympathizers or ideological supporters, you still get a number in the 2 million range. 2 million (which btw is mostly concentrated in certain parts of the World) of 1.6 billion is 0.125% of the entire population.

CheapScotsman: I agree with your comment:



And there is a simple reason for that...this terrorism is a politically motivated response to the Western's sphere of influence. Had it been the Russians or Chinese involved in the Middle East in the same manner the US has been, they would have been made targets as well.

It's unfortunate though, that organizations like Al Qaeda have been able to hijack the religion and make it seem like a religious conflict, when it isn't. Religion (as in the past) is being used as a political tool to carry out the ideals of a certain person.

Very well said, and it could be argued that it's being [ab]used on both sides of the fence. There are many christians who are completely against the neo-conservative agenda that many people see as a right-wing christian agenda.