Viewsat VS2000 Extreme

[Gee]

Does anyone have a Viewsat VS2000 Extreme?

http://www.gosatellite.net/viewsat_extreme_1638_ctg.htm

Pros and cons. Need to know what is good about this unit, bad etc.

How much does one cost?

[pfbmgd]

My buddy has one and he seems to like it .

[Cyrus the Great]

Does anyone have a Viewsat VS2000 Extreme?

http://www.gosatellite.net/viewsat_extreme_1638_ctg.htm

Pros and cons. Need to know what is good about this unit, bad etc.

How much does one cost?

If you're planning to use component out connectors then avoid buying it. ppl have reported some kinda tint when when using the component. Other than that, it's a good receiver.
But if I were you, I'd go for a receiver with more memory and/or faster processor. There's not much price diff.

[Gee]

What should I expect to pay for a decent receiver? This one is well priced. $150 and it is negotiable if I buy more than one.

[Cyrus the Great]

What should I expect to pay for a decent receiver? This one is well priced. $150 and it is negotiable if I buy more than one.

Are you planning to resell? If yes, well, don't bother for cons and pros, you can sell them pretty fast.
The prices are around $150 + $10 CAD, except for coolsat 6000 which is the one of most expensive ones in its class. They all come with a cable and a switch.

[Gee]

If they are a decent unit, I will try to get a group together, so we can get a volume discount.

[Cyrus the Great]

If they are a decent unit, I will try to get a group together, so we can get a volume discount.

Yes they are.
Also you might want to consider Captiveworks CW-600S Premium and Coolsat 6000. They're both, IMO, descent units and carry better features. CW is much cheaper though, with somewhat the same features as coolsat.

[Gee]

I just called the dealer. They only have the Viewsats in stock. My best price is $135 each for 10 or more.

[deluxe10469]

worth the money but I would read the forums and maybe hold off for a week or so until things get worked out.

[weedb0y]

$135 is a nice price.. I have not gotten em at that price but it could also be because of the recent FTA dark nights!!

Don't buy FTA units right now unless if its truly for Free to Air. Wait it out.

Pay $10-30 bucks more! But instead you won't have to deal with worthless investment. I have a few units that I used for myself left but I wont sell them to anyone because I don't feel right about it.

[Gee]

Thanks for the great advice. I think I will wait. Read the rumors about the total blackout by the end of June.

Edit *** June 5 ***

Viewsats are all operational, should I wait a little longer?

[tsefly]

always will be a game of cat and mouse...

[Gee]

From what I have been reading, I think it is time to dive in. If anyone is interested in joining in, please PM me. I already have 4, need 6 more.

[Ch28]

Viewsat > Pansat/Coolsat

[weedb0y]

Gee, count me in..for one..I will see what I can do for the rest of em..

[Sticky23]

A warning, I don't recommend Go Satellite. I've had a bad experience purchasing from them. I bought my fta receiver through their eBay listing and opted for local pickup. I paid for the item within hours of winning the auction and patiently (at least 5 business days) for a response from them or some kind of pickup instruction but didn't get any. After a week, i called them but couldn't get through, their local line was always busy. I finally got through to them and was given direction for pickup. I went to "their" address and thought I had gone to the wrong place because the address they gave me was a privately owned postal outlet; they never told me this when they gave me directions, I ended up driving back and forth several times looking for a business called Go Satellite.
The arrangements were COD pickup. The auction was listed in USD and I had ready the funds (in Cdn $) as converted by eBay.ca, as I understand it, is based on the most recent US>Cdn$ exchange rate, which now is approx. 1.12. However, Go Satellite charged me an amount based on an exchange rate of approx. 1.36. Since I wanted the item, I had no choice but to pay for it because the postal clerk said that he had to collect the amount requested by his client and if I didn't pay that amount, he'd just return the time to his client.
When I got home, I called Go Satellite, but as always, was faced with a busy signal. I emailed customer service, I was polite and explained to them that
perhaps they had made a mistake with the exchange rate, they never replied to my email. I ended up giving them negative feedback on eBay and they responded to my feedback saying that their exchange rate was based on ebay and not set by them, basically saying they did not overcharge me.
Needless to say, I am not happy.

[Gee]

Well, I am not buying from eBay. I found a local distributor in Concord. I have been to their warehouse and they have tonnes of these things.

The shipping charges are only for people outside the GTA. As I will pick all the units up and people can then pick up from me in Mississauga or Thornhill.

Shipping charges are up to you. You pay whatever the cost is, thru your prefered method of shipping.

All we need are three more people and we can get them. I just have to find a way to collect all the money. Those that are interested, please send me a PM and we will arrange payment and pickup / shipping. Units carry a 30 day warranty.

[anatolyb]

I just called the dealer. They only have the Viewsats in stock. My best price is $135 each for 10 or more.

I'll pay you $165 if you ship to Vancouver. The best receiver there is.

[Gee]

I'll pay you $165 if you ship to Vancouver. The best receiver there is.

Need two more and we have our buying group.

[RZV500R]

Count me in for one.

[Gee]

Who will be the last one?

[bikerider97]

ok I will take the last one

count me in.

[426Hemi]

I'm interested too now! But I'm just getting into the satellite game...what else would I need to buy (dish, LNB, etc.)? And do I need to constantly update the firmware on the reciever to get the channels or something?

[raj672]

If this is 135.00 cash then you can count me in aswell. :D

[Gee]

If this is 135.00 cash then you can count me in aswell. :D

No such luck, it is $135 + GST = $144.45, at least there is no PST. There is also a 30 Day DOA policy.

I'm interested too now! But I'm just getting into the satellite game...what else would I need to buy (dish, LNB, etc.)? And do I need to constantly update the firmware on the reciever to get the channels or something?

Depends on what you do the the receiver. If you are using it strictly for free to air, then you never need to update. But if you plan on STEALING, then you will have to update the firmware as the networks try to prevent you from doing so.

You will need a big dish and multiple LNBs or multiple dishes, depending on your programming choice.

Once you go satellite, Rogers will be a distant memory.

[module]

Maybe you guys should read my thread on this unit :D

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=298860

[aingaran]

Is it too late to jump in on this? IE, 11 or 12 cheaper than 10?

[raj672]

Don't wait on it as most people are not feeling comfortable sending over payment first and then getting the receiver from Gee. (he has to go to the location to get all these receivers and then send them to us) >:(

[Canuck51]

Sounds like a good price, but keep an eye for for clone viewsats. I have found 2 different places around the gta selling the clone recievers as real viewsats. Viewsats new software releases will not work on clones.

[tsefly]

Sounds like a good price, but keep an eye for for clone viewsats. I have found 2 different places around the gta selling the clone recievers as real viewsats. Viewsats new software releases will not work on clones.


how can you tell if they're clones...

[saltedfish]

Can anybody recommend a good store in GVRD? Why are all these good deal in Toronto?
I don't mind to pay a little more to get it locally, but which store to go.
Please do give me some recommendation, the world cup is coming.....

[cheebster]

haha, i love that guy weedboy ! the only sat expert on RFD.. how do you know ? Are you a coder ? There's a lot of sat 'experts' in Canada.. probably more than you think on this forum, too :D

[Gee]

Is it too late to jump in on this? IE, 11 or 12 cheaper than 10?

The price is the same for anything over 10 units. If you want one, send me a PM.

Don't wait on it as most people are not feeling comfortable sending over payment first and then getting the receiver from Gee. (he has to go to the location to get all these receivers and then send them to us) >:(

I can't really blame anyone, Heatware can only get you so far. I guess $144.45 is a lot of money to some people. It is what I pay to Rogers currently every month for Internet, cable and Cell Phone. I guess it is not worth the risk for some.

I am committed already. I have received full payment via EMT from one member, myself makes two, I am looking for payments or deposits for the remaining 8 units. Once I have those 8, then I will place the order and deliver or ship.

So it is first come first served.

I was hoping to get it for this weekend, but I guess it will have to be sometime next week.

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*** Update ***

I thought I should list the people that have already EMT the money to me. This way, everyone will know the status of the order. To protect everyone's privacy, I will just use initials and location. This way you know who you are. Delivery will be in the order I have received payment.

01. F.H. - Brampton - Paid in Full
02. B.J.S. - Grande Prairie - Paid in Full
03. S.F. - Markham - Paid in Full
04. John - Markham - Deposit $45
05. T.J.B. - Guelph - Paid in Full
06. B.L. - Toronto - Deposit $44.45
07. Bill - Buttonville - Paid in Full
08. Bill - Buttonville - Paid in Full
09. B.J.L. - Thornhill - Paid in Full

To the above, I thank you for the trust you have placed in me. I will not let you down.

[rfd-nubie]

:arrowu: :arrowu: :arrowu:

[GSD]

How can one tell between a clone and a genuine receiver?

[Gee]

There are clones? I was not aware of that.

Does anyone know how to tell an original unit from a clone.

[plugpull]

anyone know in Markham area where to buy a cable download a program from computer to the coolsat box? what is the cable call anyways? i heard nine holes, female to female, what is these things mean?

I coolsat doesn't work, can't watch anything, someone email me a program, but a cable to download into the box, is it hard to do it?

thanks

[Gee]

You are looking for a serial cable. Basic serial cable. Apparently a female to female serial cable.

Also known as

RS-232 Cable
Modem Cable

Make sure you get a 9 pin to 9 pin female and not a 9 pin to DB25.

As far as I know, Coolsats are down.

[Ghost_Rider]

There are no clones of new coolsats and Viewsats yet.

[Gee]

Is that confirmed? I don't want to worry about fakes.

[plugpull]

You are looking for a serial cable. Basic serial cable. Apparently a female to female serial cable.

Also known as

RS-232 Cable
Modem Cable

Make sure you get a 9 pin to 9 pin female and not a 9 pin to DB25.

As far as I know, Coolsats are down.

thanks for the help. is it any computer store will have this cable?

[Ghost_Rider]

:!: im sure the viewsats we;re getting are NOT clones :!:

[Gee]

thanks for the help. is it any computer store will have this cable?

You should be able to find it in any reputable store. They should only cost $1.50, but these sharks can charge anywhere from $6 - $12.

[any007]

there is currently no such thing as a viewsat clone yet.
but, they're coming.

[Ghost_Rider]

there is currently no such thing as a viewsat clone yet.
but, they're coming.
they ll probably be called like viewd sats ;)

[t3359]

Hmmm... Yummy. Are you going to set a cut-off date for this?

Also, anyone have experience using this thing with a motorized DiSEqC positioner?

bjl

[Gee]

Hmmm... Yummy. Are you going to set a cut-off date for this?

Also, anyone have experience using this thing with a motorized DiSEqC positioner?

bjl

There is no cut off date. I am not limited to 10 units. I just have to buy in groups of 10. There are 10 to a case.

[GSD]

there is currently no such thing as a viewsat clone yet.
but, they're coming.

I just called these guys who were advertising Viewsat Xtreme at $139.99, when they answered they told me its a clone! I am really interested in the GB but don't want to get lumbered with a clone! I asked the rep how can you tell the difference and he couldn't answer my question. So we need to be extremley careful that these ain't clones!

Viewsat Extreme at $139.99 = Clone! (http://www.yesplay.com/featured.asp)

Gee, can we meet you at the time you pick up the recievers and pay you then i.e. COD?

[Gee]

For those that want to meet me in Concord during the pickup, it is fine. As long as there isn't a tonne of people standing in the parking lot.

I will keep everyone posted as to when I will go.

How do we tell if it is a clone, I don't want to get a fake. Are the fakes called Viewsat or do they play off the name?

[tsefly]

There are no clones of new coolsats and Viewsats yet.


are you sure? new bins will not kill the clone, but the bin will not work on the clone....

c/p from a reliable source 04-08-2006

Well, it WAS inevitable that one of the most popular boxes out would eventually be cloned. While details are sketchy, I can tell you that 2 different China manufacturers have approached a few of the big dealers in Canada & the US with EXACT clones of Viewsat. Both Platinum & Xtreme have been cloned. I have been assured that the protection chips have serial numbers, and if they have cloned ALL to 1 or 2 chipsets, it will be very easy to address and disable by a Viewsat bin file. This may be the reason they have been selective approaching dealers. Hush hush would be the best way to infiltrate the market. This is bad for Viewsat, whose boxes have never been cloned. I will be getting more details soon, and hope to be able to have information on how to tell the difference. Viewsat has never had to do a clone kill, but these engineers are very capable of doing so. Hopefully customs will be on their toes about these new imports. It's not fair to these manufacturers who pay for licensing and jump thru hoops for FCC., UL approval, as welll as Dolby & other licensing, while China sneaks their units thru..

Clones ARE coming, so be careful of ebay & dealers who just started carrying Viewsat.

[Ghost_Rider]

I read that receivers made in korea are origilan ones. Ones from china could be clones... IM confused now ...

[tsefly]

I read that receivers made in korea are origilan ones. Ones from china could be clones... IM confused now ...

that's correct...


"I can tell you that 2 different China manufacturers have approached a few of the big dealers in Canada & the US with EXACT clones of Viewsat"

[Ghost_Rider]

Gee. As you said before.. They are from Korea ? right ?

[greenstuff]

Can anybody recommend a good store in GVRD? Why are all these good deal in Toronto?
I don't mind to pay a little more to get it locally, but which store to go.
Please do give me some recommendation, the world cup is coming.....

I pm'd you dealer info in april. Send me a pm and i'll give you his phone number so you can get current price. He is located near Coq. Center.

[Gee]

Gee. As you said before.. They are from Korea ? right ?

The box that they showed me said made in Korea. He didn't open one for me to see. I will go and take a look on Monday, they are closed for the weekend.

[weedb0y]

For those that want to meet me in Concord during the pickup, it is fine. As long as there isn't a tonne of people standing in the parking lot.

I will keep everyone posted as to when I will go.

How do we tell if it is a clone, I don't want to get a fake. Are the fakes called Viewsat or do they play off the name?


Gee, look for CSA, FCC symbols at the back of the unit. It should also weigh around 5-6 pounds as well. If it seems light to you, then be wary of it. I have dealt with Originals all the time and thats where knowing a supplier makes the whole difference. As again, I have not seen a low price like that but then agian, anything is possible.

There are clones of Viewsats available now with the same packaging and design. You just gotta look at the back.

[weedb0y]

haha, i love that guy weedboy ! the only sat expert on RFD.. how do you know ? Are you a coder ? There's a lot of sat 'experts' in Canada.. probably more than you think on this forum, too :D


lol..just been in it before you were even born.. ;) ..and yes I have coded on the scripts back in the fortec days.. but then again, GEE has been in it for a while as well.. he knows his stuff..


i am sure there are more..but I am certainly not new to the scene.. I even told these guys when N2 was going to be out..even before anyone else.. :D cuz i had seen it working months b4..

[Gee]

Gee, look for CSA, FCC symbols at the back of the unit. It should also weigh around 5-6 pounds as well. If it seems light to you, then be wary of it. I have dealt with Originals all the time and thats where knowing a supplier makes the whole difference. As again, I have not seen a low price like that but then agian, anything is possible.

There are clones of Viewsats available now with the same packaging and design. You just gotta look at the back.

Thanks for the advice. I hope no one minds, if I open some of the boxes to verify for CSA, FCC and contents.

[weedb0y]

Thanks for the advice. I hope no one minds, if I open some of the boxes to verify for CSA, FCC and contents.


Weight should be the best indicator of quality power supply that only VIEWSAT has in the FTA market.

Clones won't have any.. Btw, clone files are out already as well. So these units are being sold.

[GSD]

Thanks for the advice. I hope no one minds, if I open some of the boxes to verify for CSA, FCC and contents.

I'd rather have an opened box receiver with the real thing rather than a clone. Lmk when we can do the COD in Concord. Btw, do they have good deals on dishes too?

[tsefly]

when the deal sound too good to be true, it's likely a scam... you can search ebay and see some deals which you may question... like lot of 5 viewsat plats going for a little over 200 US... that was a month ago. last week, same dealer was offering them for 90US each for a lot of 5.... buyer beware..

I guess the safest way is to load the lastest bin, and if it works, you'll know... it's if the dealer will let you do that before you buy...

[Gee]

They don't sell dishes. They are not a dealer. They are an importer.

I have some spare 18" and 20" dishes, PM me with an offer if you need one.

[tsefly]

please bear in mind, it's likely going to be a bumpy road in the near future... "changes to stream last nite are evident"

[Ghost_Rider]

please bear in mind, it's likely going to be a bumpy road in the near future... "changes to stream last nite are evident"

What* do u mean...

[rfd-nubie]

:arrowu:

[duckdown]

We have a large channel on EFnet IRC ( #FTA ) and you can actually find up-to-the-minute news and chat with hundreds of people live. I definitely reccomend joining and chatting with us if you have any questions or inquiries

[Gee]

Including myself, we have our 10 units.

01. F.H. - Brampton - Paid in Full
02. B.J.S. - Grande Prairie - Paid in Full
03. S.F. - Markham - Paid in Full
04. John - Markham - Deposit $45
05. T.J.B. - Guelph - Paid in Full
06. B.L. - Toronto - Deposit $44.45
07. Bill - Buttonville - Paid in Full
08. Bill - Buttonville - Paid in Full
09. B.J.L. - Thornhill - Paid in Full
10. My own Unit

For those that have sent me EMT, I have not claimed any of the monies. I am waiting till the last possible minute, before taking it out.

I want to ensure that the units are not clones. What I am going to do is buy one unit and make sure it is the real deal, but I will give him a deposit for the remaining 9 units. Then when I am sure, I will go and pick up the remaining units.

I will get the first unit Monday afternoon. I will need a day to test / take apart etc. If all goes well, I will pick up the remaining units on Wednesday (I have something to do on Tuesday).

Units will be delivered to you in the order above. I will be available anytime in Mississauga, for those that need delivery in Thornhill, Richmond Hill, Markham etc, it will be on the weekend.

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*** Update ***

Picked up one unit and left deposits for the remainder. Here are some pictures. They are not too clear. They were taken from my Camera Phone.

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/9213/image0282ns.th.jpg (http://img131.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image0282ns.jpg)

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/3015/image0344hf.th.jpg (http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image0344hf.jpg)

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/2379/image0469yt.th.jpg (http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image0469yt.jpg)

The back does say Made in Korea under the power switch. There is no serial cable or DiSEqC switch in the box. I will inquire about that tomorrow. I got in rather late, so I will not have a chance to play with it until tomorrow evening.

The weight is a good 5-6 lbs. So far I have no reason to doubt its authenticity. The FCC in on the outside of the box.

Comments?

[GSD]

You have PM

[fudge_u]

Including myself, we have our 10 units.

01. F.H. - Brampton - Paid in Full
02. B.J.S. - Grande Prairie - Paid in Full
03. S.F. - Markham - Paid in Full
04. John - Markham - Deposit $45
05. T.J.B. - Guelph - Paid in Full
06. B.L. - Toronto - Deposit $44.45
07. Bill - Buttonville - Paid in Full
08. Bill - Buttonville - Paid in Full
09. B.J.L. - Thornhill - Paid in Full
10. My own Unit

For those that have sent me EMT, I have not claimed any of the monies. I am waiting till the last possible minute, before taking it out.

I want to ensure that the units are not clones. What I am going to do is buy one unit and make sure it is the real deal, but I will give him a deposit for the remaining 9 units. Then when I am sure, I will go and pick up the remaining units.

I will get the first unit Monday afternoon. I will need a day to test / take apart etc. If all goes well, I will pick up the remaining units on Wednesday (I have something to do on Tuesday).

Units will be delivered to you in the order above. I will be available anytime in Mississauga, for those that need delivery in Thornhill, Richmond Hill, Markham etc, it will be on the weekend.

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*** Update ***

Picked up one unit and left deposits for the remainder. Here are some pictures. They are not too clear. They were taken from my Camera Phone.

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/9213/image0282ns.th.jpg (http://img131.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image0282ns.jpg)

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/3015/image0344hf.th.jpg (http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image0344hf.jpg)

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/2379/image0469yt.th.jpg (http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image0469yt.jpg)

The back does say Made in Korea under the power switch. There is no serial cable or DiSEqC switch in the box. I will inquire about that tomorrow. I got in rather late, so I will not have a chance to play with it until tomorrow evening.

The weight is a good 5-6 lbs. So far I have no reason to doubt its authenticity. The FCC in on the outside of the box.

Comments?

Nice... looks like VS has changed the remote control's appearance. Mine came with a dull black one. I bought mine off ebay and it came with the serial cable and a diseqc switch.

Two tips I have for everyone that got these... 1) If you don't have serial ports on your computer, you can go out and buy a usb-to-serial adapter... 2) Throw away that diseqc switch... Disqec + Viewsat (Platinum or Xtreme) = Problems. I recommend getting a 22khz switch or a powered switch of some sort. Apparently, Viewsat receivers don't put out enough power to the switches, so if you are trying to access more then one satellite then you might run into a few problems (freezing and satellite mix-ups).

Once you get around those problems it'll be smooth sailing for you. BTW... The green tint doesn't happen with all the Xtreme receivers, prolly just some of the earlier ones. I purchased both of mine in January, and they didn't have that problem when using component cables. I found that rca cables give me better video quality, so I'm not even bothering with the component cables.

WG

[Neb]

Any more news if they are clones? Can't wait to get mine :)

[shampoo]

Perhaps little offtopic: Is it worth ebay-ing my fortec LU and getting one of these?

Thanks

[GSD]

Thanks for the update. The receiver looks to be pretty similar. I compared some of your pics to those on the viewsat corporate website. The cover of the user manuals are the same. The back of the receiver looks to be the same except that in the u/manual it shows an FC logo where your pic has a bar code label? The remotes are also different? But these could be just production run changes?

The link to the viewsat u/manual is below. Their phone no is:1-888-VIEWSAT (843-9728), perhaps they can authenticate the receiver? Or tell us what to look for when looking at the receiver?

http://www.viewsatusa.com/VS2000-Manual-rev0106.pdf

[Ghost_Rider]

I took a picture of a original receiver.. Everything looks the same.. except of the remote control which in the one i took picture is black.the rest looks identical. I ll try to have pics up 2day,.

[RZV500R]

any updates on this unit? what's up?

[tsefly]

Nice... looks like VS has changed the remote control's appearance. Mine came with a dull black one. I bought mine off ebay and it came with the serial cable and a diseqc switch.

Two tips I have for everyone that got these... 1) If you don't have serial ports on your computer, you can go out and buy a usb-to-serial adapter... 2) Throw away that diseqc switch... Disqec + Viewsat (Platinum or Xtreme) = Problems. I recommend getting a 22khz switch or a powered switch of some sort. Apparently, Viewsat receivers don't put out enough power to the switches, so if you are trying to access more then one satellite then you might run into a few problems (freezing and satellite mix-ups).

Once you get around those problems it'll be smooth sailing for you. BTW... The green tint doesn't happen with all the Xtreme receivers, prolly just some of the earlier ones. I purchased both of mine in January, and they didn't have that problem when using component cables. I found that rca cables give me better video quality, so I'm not even bothering with the component cables.

WG

never had an issue with the disqec... and never heard of anyone have any issues... with my disqec, i have a few sw21 for additional sats, and never an issue turning channels from one sat to the next.. likely a buggy sat file or channel file... with vs, it's always best to do a full channel scan... a lot cleaner...

satellite mixup likely due to loading a sat file which is inconsistant with a channel file.. hence errors...

[GSD]

Any updates Gee? Anyone heard from Gee yet?

[mau108]

wow where was I when this happened...I need another box, my 103g is impossible with the sw44 switch :(

if anyones willing to trade please let me know.

[mack]

damn...i missed it...135 is such a sweet price!!!!! usually retails for 190-200 CAD

[fudge_u]

never had an issue with the disqec... and never heard of anyone have any issues... with my disqec, i have a few sw21 for additional sats, and never an issue turning channels from one sat to the next.. likely a buggy sat file or channel file... with vs, it's always best to do a full channel scan... a lot cleaner...

satellite mixup likely due to loading a sat file which is inconsistant with a channel file.. hence errors...

Actually, I just recently found out the Charlie LNBs cause a few more problems with Viewsats then Dave LNBs. My sat file and channel file have always been fine. Once I added a 4x8 powered switch my problems went away. It also depends on what kind of diseqc switch you have. Some of the cheaper ones cause problems.

[tsefly]

Actually, I just recently found out the Charlie LNBs cause a few more problems with Viewsats then Dave LNBs. My sat file and channel file have always been fine. Once I added a 4x8 powered switch my problems went away. It also depends on what kind of diseqc switch you have. Some of the cheaper ones cause problems.

out of the box cheapie diseqc is what i have... it's not the hardware, it the software... many people find a sat file and a channel file which is likely incompatible, and hence the issues of double channels, freezing, and incorrect sat file for the channel...

I never upload a channel file.. always a full scan. This ensures no problems.. Remember, the channel file you upload is someone elses.. it may be based for another region... and you may be missing some for Charlie..

Dont think you can get Dave on a FTA.. or Dave at all without a subscription...

[Ghost_Rider]

Any updates Gee? Anyone heard from Gee yet?
Gee :confused:

[fudge_u]

out of the box cheapie diseqc is what i have... it's not the hardware, it the software... many people find a sat file and a channel file which is likely incompatible, and hence the issues of double channels, freezing, and incorrect sat file for the channel...

I never upload a channel file.. always a full scan. This ensures no problems.. Remember, the channel file you upload is someone elses.. it may be based for another region... and you may be missing some for Charlie..

Dont think you can get Dave on a FTA.. or Dave at all without a subscription...

I uploaded my own channel file from MyTheatre. Both of my Viewsats would miss scanning for some channels everytime. I used a reputable sat file to scan for channels in MT, then loaded the same sat file, and the MT channel file onto my Viewsats. Everything has worked from day one. The receive guide option always works without fail and I've never had a problem with any of the channels.

I still had some freeze-ups and satellite mixups using diseqc switches. The second I started using a powered switch all my problems went away. I've used an SW44 switch and a 4x8 power multiswitch(not at the same time), and both corrected the problems I had when using the diseqc switches. Believe me, it was the diseqc switches. I was using those cheap Viewsat diseqc switches and they gave me a headache. I used a DMS International diseqc switch and the problems occured a little less, but they still occured.

WG

[tsefly]

I uploaded my own channel file from MyTheatre. Both of my Viewsats would miss scanning for some channels everytime. I used a reputable sat file to scan for channels in MT, then loaded the same sat file, and the MT channel file onto my Viewsats. Everything has worked from day one. The receive guide option always works without fail and I've never had a problem with any of the channels.

I still had some freeze-ups and satellite mixups using diseqc switches. The second I started using a powered switch all my problems went away. I've used an SW44 switch and a 4x8 power multiswitch(not at the same time), and both corrected the problems I had when using the diseqc switches. Believe me, it was the diseqc switches. I was using those cheap Viewsat diseqc switches and they gave me a headache. I used a DMS International diseqc switch and the problems occured a little less, but they still ocurred.

WG

maybe just a bad diseqc switch... i got a cheap switch as well.
I always do a full scan for channels, and then modify it with channel master...
with 6 sats in total connected to this switch with a couple of sw21 connected to it as well, never issues with freezing.. guess i got a good cheap switch...

from what I read, freezing occurs with two receivers... buggy item with two ViewSAT receivers for the same sat....

[fudge_u]

maybe just a bad diseqc switch... i got a cheap switch as well.
I always do a full scan for channels, and then modify it with channel master...
with 6 sats in total connected to this switch with a couple of sw21 connected to it as well, never issues with freezing.. guess i got a good cheap switch...

from what I read, freezing occurs with two receivers... buggy item with two ViewSAT receivers for the same sat....

I have two Viewsat diseqc switches and they both work, but not problem free. I could prolly watch a few minutes of tv before any freeze-ups or satellite mixups occur. Same thing with the DMS International diseqc switch. At least with the DMS switch, I can watch for a little longer without any problems, but in the end the same thing happens.

Oh ya, I might've failed to mention in my original post that I have two Viewsat Xtremes, and that's the cause of my problems. I've read on several forums that two Viewsats can cause problems. On top of that I also have one DVB card. At one point the DVB card would cause my Viewsats not to work. The second I stopped using the DVB card the Viewsat would work again. The powered switch seemed to fix all my problems.

WG

[CRXGSR]

I've got a question.

How do I know when to use a diseqc switch and when to use a sw21 switch?

[tsefly]

I've got a question.

How do I know when to use a diseqc switch and when to use a sw21 switch?

a diseqc switch and a sw21 switch are used to connect more than 1 lnb to a receiver..... a diseqc usually allows u to connect 4 lnbs... a sw21, typically 2. when you have more than 5 lnbs to connect to a receiver, you can you a sw21 to connect 2 lnbs which is then connected to one port of the diseqc.

I do not believe that a diseqc can be used for a BEV or DN receiver, but I may be mistaken... they typically have a sw21 to connect two lnbs to their receivers..

[tsefly]

reading from a fta site.. there has been sightings of fake VS Xtremes in the GTA.... pickering and scarbrough... Tech Direct in Pickering.. no disclosure for the one in Scarbrough.. best prices I have seen for Xtreme for two cases is about 160$ based on 5-7 fta stores, and that includes the diseqc and swiitch....

No clones of the Platinum model... only Xtreme...
In another month, ViewSAT will be releasing their SonicView line...

c/p
I saw my first clone today! Buddy was having problems after loading the receiver would not turn on . I checked it out and it weighs about a pound less, has stickers for the Extreme and viewsat names no VS logo between the extreme and viewsat name, only one screw per side holding the top on, bottom has long slots not round holes for cooling, face plate about 1/4 inch thinner, paint was peeling off the top cover, none of the fonts on the front pannel are the same as genuine box.and the front door opens.
Purchased from tech direct in pickering. On the sales slip it says no returns on fta boxes but he was threatened with selling counterfit boxes by my buddy and he QUICKLY refunded all his money.

[kcotoulas]

[QUOTE=tsefly]
No clones of the Platinum model... only Xtreme...
In another month, ViewSAT will be releasing their SonicView line...QUOTE]

what is there sonic view line.... do u know of the differences from the xtreme

[kcotoulas]

[QUOTE=tsefly]
No clones of the Platinum model... only Xtreme...
In another month, ViewSAT will be releasing their SonicView line...[QUOTE]

what is there sonic view line.... do u know of the differences from the xtreme

[tsefly]

[QUOTE=kcotoulas][QUOTE=tsefly]
No clones of the Platinum model... only Xtreme...
In another month, ViewSAT will be releasing their SonicView line...

SonicView
NEC EMMA 2LL chip-set @160Mhz
32Mb ram
2Mb flash
Full 7 day epg d/l in 4 mins w/ auto populate

likely out by months end....an old Buzz unit repackaged...
sorry for my error. it's not a VS product...

c/p

Viewsat will be introducing a new unit dubbed the "Ultra" and beta testing will begin next month. The new unit has a 228 mghz. processor that is capable of 250 million instructions per second (MIPS). This is as fast as most Linux based boxes and will also have 32 megs of RAM for extended EPG and other uses. The flash area has also been increased to 4 megabytes. This new unit will have a USB port which will allow a "jump drive" (USB storage device) to facilitate flashing, playing MP3's, and even to display jpeg's and other picture formats on TV.


Viewsat will be bringing us an HD unit later this year. The first offering will most likely come from a different manufacturer to ensure being one of the first HD units out. In all likelyhood the original manufacturer will follow suit with an additional HD unit from their factory. They're gearing up now and ordering all the parts necessary to start production. this was planned and posted in a flowchart awhile back, and they are running behind schedule, but you won't find anyone as purposeful about the N.A. market as Viewsat ....

[tsefly]

Including myself, we have our 10 units.

01. F.H. - Brampton - Paid in Full
02. B.J.S. - Grande Prairie - Paid in Full
03. S.F. - Markham - Paid in Full
04. John - Markham - Deposit $45
05. T.J.B. - Guelph - Paid in Full
06. B.L. - Toronto - Deposit $44.45
07. Bill - Buttonville - Paid in Full
08. Bill - Buttonville - Paid in Full
09. B.J.L. - Thornhill - Paid in Full
10. My own Unit

For those that have sent me EMT, I have not claimed any of the monies. I am waiting till the last possible minute, before taking it out.

I want to ensure that the units are not clones. What I am going to do is buy one unit and make sure it is the real deal, but I will give him a deposit for the remaining 9 units. Then when I am sure, I will go and pick up the remaining units.

I will get the first unit Monday afternoon. I will need a day to test / take apart etc. If all goes well, I will pick up the remaining units on Wednesday (I have something to do on Tuesday).

Units will be delivered to you in the order above. I will be available anytime in Mississauga, for those that need delivery in Thornhill, Richmond Hill, Markham etc, it will be on the weekend.

-------------------------

*** Update ***

Picked up one unit and left deposits for the remainder. Here are some pictures. They are not too clear. They were taken from my Camera Phone.

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/9213/image0282ns.th.jpg (http://img131.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image0282ns.jpg)

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/3015/image0344hf.th.jpg (http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image0344hf.jpg)

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/2379/image0469yt.th.jpg (http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image0469yt.jpg)

The back does say Made in Korea under the power switch. There is no serial cable or DiSEqC switch in the box. I will inquire about that tomorrow. I got in rather late, so I will not have a chance to play with it until tomorrow evening.

The weight is a good 5-6 lbs. So far I have no reason to doubt its authenticity. The FCC in on the outside of the box.

Comments?

LOOKS LIKE A CLONE

The switch in the back is horizontal rather than vertical... didnt notice until futher inspection of the low res photo...

additional things to look for...

there is only three screws on back of unit instead of 4, missing about 2 logos , where it is listed as a and b for video should be component yb,br,r , switch. and the list goes on

Differences: Size and Weight
Null Cable Port Has Screw
Back RESET button its Horizontal instead of Vertical

[Ghost_Rider]

+ Now i recognized THE switch .. It is in Different place !!! clone >:( :( :confused:

Here is a picture of the original one i just took L:
http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10005668cr.jpg

[CRXGSR]

Here's a pic I found that should be the original:

http://www.gosatellite.net/images_templ/viewsat_extreme_1.jpg

This is a pic of the clones:
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/8964/viewsatclones6zn.th.jpg (http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=viewsatclones6zn.jpg)

Things to notice on clones:
- on/off button sideways
- serial port has place for 2 screws
- unit is a little smaller than real extreme units.

Edit: Found 2 more pics of the clone viewsat extreme

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/5093/clone5zm.jpg (http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clone5zm.jpg)
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/1677/clone27bn.th.jpg (http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clone27bn.jpg)

[fudge_u]

Damn... that last picture looks like my Viewsat... kinda got worried and checked out where it was manufactured... Happy to see that it said Korea. :cheesygri

WG

[t3359]

Damn... that last picture looks like my Viewsat... kinda got worried and checked out where it was manufactured... Happy to see that it said Korea. :cheesygri

WG

the ones made in Korea are guaranteed to be real?

BTW, anyone get to confirm what Gee picked up?

bjl

[tsefly]

dont think if it says made in Korea means it's an original...

If your receiver has any of the tells, especially the horizontal switch, it's likely a clone... look at Gee's pics... it's made in Korea, but still likely a clone...

Another good tell, would be the price you paid.. if you think you got a great deal, chances are it's a clone...

Buy from a reputable dealer... it's a bit more, but at the end of the day, it's peace of mind...

There are VS dealers in the GTA...
SkyHighElectronics
Save and Replay

[fudge_u]

My Xtremes seem to work properly. I assume they are authentic Viewsat receivers. I purchased from t0yzrme on ebay. Their prices are ok, if you can win the auction low enough to offset the high shipping costs.

WG

[pfbmgd]

There are VS dealers in the GTA...
SkyHighElectronics
Save and Replay

I called both of these dealers they are selling the Viewsat Extreme for around $185 tax in .

[tsefly]

I called both of these dealers they are selling the Viewsat Extreme for around $185 tax in .

yeah, for 1, but not for 2 cases... that's for 10 of them...
it'll be less...

[tsefly]

My Xtremes seem to work properly. I assume they are authentic Viewsat receivers. I purchased from t0yzrme on ebay. Their prices are ok, if you can win the auction low enough to offset the high shipping costs.

WG
the bin files may work... some dealers say the bin files will act like a time bomb... it'll go off... or they're just saying that...

if you receiver fits the description of a clone, it's may be a clone. You can always contact ViewSAT with photos of your receiver... I know that they would easily swap your clone with an original for no cost, along as you have a receipt of point of purchase.. they'll go after the retailer...

[GSD]

So I guess we should only buy from the Viewsat authorised dealers??

Viewsat Authorised Dealers (http://www.viewsatusa.com/dealers_canada.htm)

Cheapest they are selling the extreme's are at $156+tax, slightly cheaper for more quantities purchased.

[tsefly]

Cheapest Xtreme is about 167$ tax in for 10+ units... you can try and pin one dealer with another.. and there looks like there is enough interest for someone to give up their time to pull it together..

Official dealers make it easier.. and likely if it's a clone, rat them out to VS, and you're get an original Xtreme, and the safisfaction...

t0yzrme is listed as an official dealer, but the price seems low.. auctions are going for 102 + 35 shipping...

Go to a reputable dealer.. not all are authorized... I check prices with 5-6 stores, half are authorized.. but still go with best price... it's like 5-10$ per unit savings.. and I've dealt with them in the past... just make sure you get a receipt... first name only.. and cash...

[GSD]

I called T0yzrme and their voicemail was full. It sounded as if it was a personal voicemail number.

[fudge_u]

Cheapest Xtreme is about 167$ tax in for 10+ units... you can try and pin one dealer with another.. and there looks like there is enough interest for someone to give up their time to pull it together..

Official dealers make it easier.. and likely if it's a clone, rat them out to VS, and you're get an original Xtreme, and the safisfaction...

t0yzrme is listed as an official dealer, but the price seems low.. auctions are going for 102 + 35 shipping...

Go to a reputable dealer.. not all are authorized... I check prices with 5-6 stores, half are authorized.. but still go with best price... it's like 5-10$ per unit savings.. and I've dealt with them in the past... just make sure you get a receipt... first name only.. and cash...

The auction price might be low, but if you wait till the last minute before the auction ends, you'll see the price jump to around $150. $150 + $35 = $185 and that price is about average compared to other retailers. The one retailer in my city sells Xtremes for $250.

WG

[tsefly]

The auction price might be low, but if you wait till the last minute before the auction ends, you'll see the price jump to around $150. $150 + $35 = $185 and that price is about average compared to other retailers. The one retailer in my city sells Xtremes for $250.

WG


Look thru the completed items... more typical average is 140$... 175$ with shipping... remember shipping is still a cost to them...

go to skyhigh or save and replay and you'll get the same price for local pickup in the gta... and yes, some fta stores will pricematch... and give you a little off other items, ie dishes..

[fudge_u]

Most people can already get the receivers for $185 locally, so why would you want to pay the same amount and wait when you can go to the store and pick it up? At least that's my reasoning. If I'm not saving at least $10 then I'm not gonna bother to bid. I won my auctions for about $180-$190 waaay back in February. My total cost was around $210-$215 per receiver.

Since the unit was still fairly new to the market and only one store in my city was selling it I decided to get it off ebay. The store in Edmonton was charging $250 for it and I thought that was a bit much for an FTA receiver. In the end I prolly saved close to $100. I'm sure my receiver is the real deal because back in February there prolly wasn't very many fakes out on the market.

WG

[Neb]

GEE??? Has anyone heard any news?? If this unit is a clone, i think most would want their money back.


Most people can already get the receivers for $185 locally, so why would you want to pay the same amount and wait when you can go to the store and pick it up? At least that's my reasoning. If I'm not saving at least $10 then I'm not gonna bother to bid. I won my auctions for about $180-$190 waaay back in February. My total cost was around $210-$215 per receiver.

Since the unit was still fairly new to the market and only one store in my city was selling it I decided to get it off ebay. The store in Edmonton was charging $250 for it and I thought that was a bit much for an FTA receiver. In the end I prolly saved close to $100. I'm sure my receiver is the real deal because back in February there prolly wasn't very many fakes out on the market.

WG

[fudge_u]

Oh ya... ebay feedback is great indication of the seller and products they sell. t0yzrme doesn't have very much negative feedback and from what I could see none towards any of the receivers sold.

WG

[tsefly]

I am not trying to bash the seller... nor am i trying to say you got a clone. Back in Feburary.. the going rate for VS Plat were 190-200, whereas Xtreme were going for 10$ more...

What I am saying if someone here in the gta is willing to pool together 10 Xtremes.. it will go down to 160-170$.

The going rate for an Xtreme is about 180-185... No doubt. It's if people are looking to save a little... and buy from an authorized dealer, locally. As I mentioned in my other posts, t0yzrme is an authorized dealer, in London, Ont.

I'm not a personal fan of the xtreme.. what it offers for another 10$ seems a waste for my needs.. and will only buy platinum until I see the specs for the Ultra... I buy in bulk, so I know a few dealers....

I am only keeping an eye on my own interests.. Dont want people buying clones and not supporting VS. Less revenue to them may spell less support...

Dont think VS has actually released a bin to disable ALL clones yet.. but it will be coming... the more they find out of different clones, the better they are able to handle the situation.

[CRXGSR]

Here's the offical word from viewsat

http://www.viewsatusa.com/waronclones.htm

Maybe GEE can get the $5000 reward and turn them in.

I also heard about the ultra, and some other future one, sonicview??

[GSD]

I can surely thank Tsefly for his/her advice. It looks as if the official Viewsat distributor route is the way to go.. I hope Gee can get his money back and help out felow RFD'ers??

[weedb0y]

Thats why I was very surprised to see the the retail price which was offered. It was below anything that I have ever gotten. Surely, $185-190ish or more is the retail price. I know at bulk level, prices are similiar but certainly not in the $130 range.

I know cuz I was in this scene before.

[tsefly]

Places I have been looking for satellite stuff... I'm in this area, and hence only reference my area. There are other dealers, but have not ventured futher than mississauga. In terms of receiver, only bought VS plats...

AA Electronics - Matheson/Dixie - Mississauga
Just next door to RTC... never bought from here.. use it as a price check...

Niccon Electronics - Kimbel/Drew - Mississauga
They will pricematch any advertised price on the web. Receiver prices vary. People there are somewhat in the know... Didnt check pricing for dishes, but not the lowest... not the highest either. They talked openly about clones, and didnt have any issues regarding return policy. Bought a few from this dealer.

RTC Electronics - Matheson/Dixie - Mississauga
RTC has good prices for dishes.. Lots of sales. They are more flexible... Dont know about their receivers, but their prices are inline with everyone else. About 5-10$ higher than most. Tried the Saturaday sale only line on me..

Save and Replay - Dixie/401 - Mississauga*
Never been, just on their web site for pricing. A little high...

Sky High Electronics - Cathawa/410 - Mississauga*
Quite knowledgable staff. Prices on dishes a little high.. Receivers are priced reasonably. Can't really haggle for pricing...Bought a few from this dealer.

Vision Plus Trade - 403/Dundas - Mississauga
Good prices, depending on stock. Prices vary. Not consistant. Really depending on his deal on stock... Receivers can jump in price by as much as 20$... Dish prices again vary depending on stock. I've gotten good deals at this place in the past. It's a matter of timing with this dealer. I have bought receivers from this dealer as well.

* Authorzied dealer

[Gee]

GEE??? Has anyone heard any news?? If this unit is a clone, i think most would want their money back.

Sorry for the late response, I have been busy with a project at work.

My initial concern was the units were fakes.

After several calls to Viewsat and carefully ripping the unit apart, I came to the conclusion that these units are a different design for the Extreme. The remote has changed and the layout in the back is slightly different, but they are made in Korea and Viewsat (USA) has confimed that they built them. But I don't know for sure.

Everything seems to work as it should. So I picked up the remaining units today.

For those that sent me an EMT, I have NOT CLAIMED YOUR MONEY. If you decide that this unit is not for you. You can cancel the EMT, I will pay you back any fees for the EMT. Those that wish to pick up the units, send me a PM and I will claim the EMT and either ship, deliver or meet up to get you the unit. Those that paid in cash or PayPal, I also give you the choice to get your money back. You decide and let me know.

I have a few cancellations, so if you are on the list, I appreciate your patience, if you are not, I have a few extras. If you are cancelling. Please accept my appology for my tardiness and I will gladly refund any fees you have paid for EMT etc.

[CRXGSR]

Can you please take some new pictures?? I would like to personally confirm with viewsat USA. Especially about the horizontal on/off switch. :confused:

[Gee]

Can you please take some new pictures?? I would like to personally confirm with viewsat USA. Especially about the horizontal on/off switch. :confused:

I don't have a digital camera. I will see what I can do. In the mean time, please check your PM.

[tsefly]

After posting links to the images which Gee posted, the backside, and the remote.... a major VS dealer in the US has stated it is a clone.

This poster/dealer has a close tie to ViewSAT and Mr. ViewSAT himself....

his response to my post was "Don't buy that crap... YES< it's a clone!"

a link for those who need to see it for themselves...

totalfta.com/showthread.php?t=9155&page=3


Again, please buy with caution...

[fudge_u]

Trust thedssguy... His word is highly respected when it comes to Viewsats. I'm not sure if he's Veracity or not, but both thedssguy and Veracity know what they're talking about when it comes to Viewsats. BTW, both of my Viewsat Xtremes came with the gray RCA cables, not the black ones.

WG

[module]

For those of you who think "Well, even if I get 4 months out of it I still made back my money!"..

Well thats bull, for one you wouldnt spend $$$$ on porn so its not like your saving any money to begin with and secondly, yes you might save a few bucks and might of made it a good investment for the time being but the truth of it all is you still are without TV and the only thing remaining would be to buy the original receiver (echostar). Which leaves me back to my main point to all of this, why not buy it to begin with instead of spending money on FTA, then wasting even more money on something you should of bought in the begginning to save even more money????!!!!!

PEOPLE, PEOPLE, PEOPLE......

In less then 2 weeks from now all FTA is getting shut down again, hense why all of ROM10 cards starting to work again without doing anything to them.

Once they shut down the rom 101 stream, say goodbye to Atmegas, rom3, rom10, and most of the FTA's. As for the Viewsats, well I guess theyr last resort would be using the card slot for no other choice. That means buying a card for the FTA...

Wait a minute.... buy a "card" for an FTA??? Hmmm doesnt that make you think why you even bothered buying a FTA, now your going to have to be worried about getting the card programmed..... HAHAHAHAH oh well its all a scheme for the end user to get convinced FTA is the *****.

FTA + Card = So sad, so so sad.... go buy a echostar ird and stop hassling with FTA.... mark my words, thanks.

[tsefly]

if rom102 are up so will fta.
same coders.... most have bought from card coders...

dont count fta out... I know i wont after all "the sky is falling" from the may24 weekend.

[weedb0y]

you can emulate with FTA. Dont need any cards and its more stable than any other platform.

Deal with trusted people and get the real thing. No worries then. PM me if anyone wants to know where to get real boxes without being worried.

RTC is not consistent with their prices either. If you want to deal legit, deal with ARA but he always asks for wholesale + business licence #

[soultrader]

guys what would u reccomend?i need RUSSIAN channels plus movies sports and shows and PVR (record my favourite shows when im not home) and captions(english is second language)...Appreciate in advance

[CRXGSR]

Just got back from talking to Gee. Man, he must be one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet. Too bad we don't have a RFD feedback forum.

[t3359]

Just got back from talking to Gee. Man, he must be one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet. Too bad we don't have a RFD feedback forum.
Gee, CRXGSR,

So what's the verdict on these units? If they're clones, I'm up for a group buy of some originals. I'd guess others are too...

bjl

[module]

guys what would u reccomend?i need RUSSIAN channels plus movies sports and shows and PVR (record my favourite shows when im not home) and captions(english is second language)...Appreciate in advance




For russian channels you should get dishnet which has some russian content of pure FTA feed. www.lyngsat.com has the specific satellites you need to get you going, Im sorry I just cant trust FTA anymore.

[Gee]

So what's the verdict on these units? If they're clones, I'm up for a group buy of some originals. I'd guess others are too...

bjl

I am pretty sure these are fake units. So now I have 10 really expensive paper weights. I would not feel right about selling you an inferior product.

I just finished declining every EMT sent to me including yours (t3359). Thank you for your patience and the trust you have placed in me.

I have to agree with Module for now. I think your best bet is the OEM equipment. The only real advantage of FTA is the ability to use multiple providers in a single box.

I am going to disect one of these boxes completely.

[CRXGSR]

If someone wants, I did find some info on the net about the clones. Supposidly you are able to flash it with ANY viewsat file (platinum or xtreme), and there's a way to get around the "0000" screen running a "clone kill" bin.

[soultrader]

For russian channels you should get dishnet which has some russian content of pure FTA feed. www.lyngsat.com has the specific satellites you need to get you going, Im sorry I just cant trust FTA anymore.
so which sattelite i need to choose with PVR captions and Russian channels?

[fudge_u]

I am pretty sure these are fake units. So now I have 10 really expensive paper weights. I would not feel right about selling you an inferior product.

I just finished declining every EMT sent to me including yours (t3359). Thank you for your patience and the trust you have placed in me.

I have to agree with Module for now. I think your best bet is the OEM equipment. The only real advantage of FTA is the ability to use multiple providers in a single box.

I am going to disect one of these boxes completely.

Why don't you contact Viewsat and tell them you think you purchased some clones? They have a program in place where they will swap your clone for a real Viewsat receiver, as long as you have proof of purchase.

WG

[Gee]

Why don't you contact Viewsat and tell them you think you purchased some clones? They have a program in place where they will swap your clone for a real Viewsat receiver, as long as you have proof of purchase.

WG

No receipts, cash deal. I didn't purchase from a dealer. They are importers. That is why I had to buy by the case.

Maybe I will use them for parts.

[josipm]

No receipts, cash deal. I didn't purchase from a dealer. They are importers. That is why I had to buy by the case.

Maybe I will use them for parts.


why don't you ask them to give you your money back or else you will report them to Viewsat.

[Gee]

why don't you ask them to give you your money back or else you will report them to Viewsat.

I don't want to be a fink. Besides, since they are not dealers, they can deny everything.

[Ghost_Rider]

It sucks that this deal didn't work out : >:(

[GSD]

Here is an email from Viewsat confirming the worst based on some of the info that Gee provided me.

No Clones (noclones@viewsatusa.com)
To:
Subject: RE: Advice/Authentication


If your unit is as you described below, then you definitely have a clone. Please email back with your contact info so we can discuss the proper course of action.



Sincerely,

Jay Bryant

VP of Sales and Marketing

Viewtech, Inc.

Ph: 760-754-9880 Ext.105

Fax:760-859-3001

jbryant@viewsatusa.com

www.viewsatusa.com



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Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:59 AM
To: noclones@viewsatusa.com
Subject: Advice/Authentication





Hello,



Please can you clarify whether the following unit is a clone or an authentic Viewsat Extreme Unit:



Serial Number: S0605040002



Differences Noted with units on your website:



Power switch on the back of the unit is horizontal rather than vertical

Null Cable Port Has Screws

Remote Control is grey instead of black

User manual shows an FC logo on the back of the unite whereas the receiver has a bar code label instead

No serial cable or DiSEqC switch in the box



What other attributes should I look for to confirm that I am not buying a clone receiver?



Thanks,

[fudge_u]

Damn... that totally sucks for you Gee. You just ate up over a $1000 worth of clone receivers. Try sending them back to whoever sold them to you and tell them that they don't work. Just say you tried loading the factory bin on the Viewsat website, and they wouldn't work after that.

That's just a huge waste of money, especially if they're going to be used as paperweights and doorstops. I guess next time you'll have to make sure to get a receipt when you purchase something like this.

WG

[Gee]

Damn... that totally sucks for you Gee. You just ate up over a $1000 worth of clone receivers. Try sending them back to whoever sold them to you and tell them that they don't work. Just say you tried loading the factory bin on the Viewsat website, and they wouldn't work after that.

That's just a huge waste of money, especially if they're going to be used as paperweights and doorstops. I guess next time you'll have to make sure to get a receipt when you purchase something like this.

WG

It's okay. Better just me, rather than 9 other people.

[soultrader]

It's okay. Better just me, rather than 9 other people.
i really feel for u >:(

[DISH]

Sorry about your luck. I wouldn't leave the store without a refund.

Note: lowest price in Canada I have seen for an extreme is $150-$155. ( 5-20 pcs)

$135ish is possible if you purchase them from the U.S. If you don't know how to get around the custom fees and taxes then you will probably end up spending more $ per unit than purchasing them in Canada.

If your looking for a budget receiver. Check out the original captiveworks 600. They are going for cheap now

[GSD]

Anybody bought receivers from Maxx Electronics in Mississagua?

Maxx Electronics (http://www.maxxelectronics.net/xcart/home.php?cat=17)

They are advertising Viewsat Extreme for $150 inc tax Qty 10.

Are the original group buy members interested in buying 10 units from here?

He also has Viewsat Platinum for $135 Qty 5.

Above prices from his Buy and Sell advert not on the web.

[t3359]

Anybody bought receivers from Maxx Electronics in Mississagua?

Maxx Electronics (http://www.maxxelectronics.net/xcart/home.php?cat=17)

They are advertising Viewsat Extreme for $150 inc tax Qty 10.

Are the original group buy members interested in buying 10 units from here?

He also has Viewsat Platinum for $135 Qty 5.

Above prices from his Buy and Sell advert not on the web.
You can count me.

bjl

[fudge_u]

I was checking that site out, and the picture of the Xtreme shows a gray remote control. Do the newer Xtremes come with a gray remote? cuz mine came with a black one when I purchased it back in February.

BTW... you only need 5 people for the discount deal of $145.99. If you have 10 or more then it'll cost $144.99. It's hardly worth the effort to find another 5 people to buy the receiver.

WG

[GSD]

I was checking that site out, and the picture of the Xtreme shows a gray remote control. Do the newer Xtremes come with a gray remote? cuz mine came with a black one when I purchased it back in February.

BTW... you only need 5 people for the discount deal of $145.99. If you have 10 or more then it'll cost $144.99. It's hardly worth the effort to find another 5 people to buy the receiver.

WG

$150 based on 10 units includes tax

[weedb0y]

I can get you guys discount if you cover my gas expenses.

My suppliers can deal good prices at minimum quanttites..all orginal..no clones..

[soultrader]

nice gesture

[JT94]

I can get you guys discount if you cover my gas expenses.

My suppliers can deal good prices at minimum quanttites..all orginal..no clones..

Just the Viewsat?

What about on the Dreambox 500 or 70xx series?

[GSD]

I can get you guys discount if you cover my gas expenses.

My suppliers can deal good prices at minimum quanttites..all orginal..no clones..

I'm interested Weedb0y!

Anyone else?

[PrinceMS]

maybe create another thread? and how much discount we talkin and which receiver?

hard to signup to somefin - with no specifics :)

[duckdown]

I'm definitely interested in a local, flat price on a DreamBOX.

[kcotoulas]

weedboy
what kind of receiver are u talking about and how much?

[JugaJatt]

i need to buy one, pls someone help me get one, thx.

[hello99]

I can get you guys discount if you cover my gas expenses.

My suppliers can deal good prices at minimum quanttites..all orginal..no clones..


I'd be interested, how much for a viewsat extreme?

[alkapone]

If your looking for a budget receiver. Check out the original captiveworks 600. They are going for cheap now[.........]


Someone got one of these at a flea market....a friend of mine who has had a Fortec and now a VSX.....found it difficult to program.....and asked the flea market vendor to program. I have not heard the ending to this story.

Based on what I know ..go VSX with all the avail. info out there. ...ie Total FTA site ...the home of VSX?

[Cyrus the Great]

If your looking for a budget receiver. Check out the original captiveworks 600. They are going for cheap now[.........]

Agreed. The Premium version of captiveworks is much better, though.
I've heard that VSs pic quality through component out is not up to par.

EDIT: CW 600, is the one for the budget buyer!

[alkapone]

The above is not my quote...

[fudge_u]

VS offers the best support though. They're usually the first to release fixes, and a few days before the rest.

WG

[Ch28]

If you're buying Viewsat...beware because there are Viewsat clones out on the market now.

Here is a list of authorized Viewsat dealers for those of you concerned about not buying or getting duped with a clone:

Sky High Electronics - Mississauga, Ontario (Authorized repair depot)
Vi-Tesse - Montreal, Quebec
Save and Replay - Mississauga, Ontario
Toyzrme - London, Ontario
Incredible FTA - Vancouver, B.C. <-- they have a website and they sell on ebay as well
Extreme FTA - Montreal, Quebec
Loonie TV - Mississauga, Ontario

If you have any issues or concerns with any of these distributors, email canada@viewsatusa.com

[weedb0y]

Its totally not the best time to be in FTA right now. Hold off your buys..specially from loonie and saveandreplay (same guys!!).. they are mad expensive..

[hello99]

why do you say to hold off?

[Gee]

why do you say to hold off?

Some crazy things are going on. Nothing to do with the price of the units.

[GSD]

Some crazy things are going on. Nothing to do with the price of the units.

I heard some of the asian channels are down?

[Gee]

If you are refering to Echo 3, then yes.

[tsefly]

there is no good/bad time....

their will always be ecm, unless the encryption is total secure.

you may want to wait for new ViewSAT models, but other than that... you may as well enjoy it while it's here....

[weedb0y]

there is no good/bad time....

their will always be ecm, unless the encryption is total secure.

you may want to wait for new ViewSAT models, but other than that... you may as well enjoy it while it's here....

The time to really enjoy FTA was 6 months ago! Right now, hold off because encryption hasn't been fully comprimised and there is more to come. Its not like key changes or anything anymore.

If you think about it, prices of the receivers haven't changed that much over the period of a year. $30-40 bucks at MAX or even less (and back then you had no chance of getting a clone viewsat or anything!) Don't risk $200 for $20 discount.

[weedb0y]

I heard some of the asian channels are down?
and PPV/ and bev just updated the hash as well, they will be shutting down as well.

[soultrader]

wow how long to wait?

[module]

Told you guys not to spend money on a FTA receiver.



While all you Viewsat Extremers wait for a fix, im kicking back and watching my porno and ppv's. Sell the viewsats before theyr not worth anything anymore. For the price you spend on a Viewsat plus a few dollars more you can get authentic hardware which has been running way before FTA. Final Words, Viewsat is going to be useless before you know it!

[tsefly]

Told you guys not to spend money on a FTA receiver.



While all you Viewsat Extremers wait for a fix, im kicking back and watching my porno and ppv's. Sell the viewsats before theyr not worth anything anymore. For the price you spend on a Viewsat plus a few dollars more you can get authentic hardware which has been running way before FTA. Final Words, Viewsat is going to be useless before you know it!


fta receiver is just a card emulator... and VS has a better processor... so if it goes down for good.. so guess yours will be worthless as well...

[alkapone]

wow how long to wait?

Well. Considering that there are still quite a few channels still going....coders will not jump in to quick (for obvious reasons...tell them weedboy).

Well....no one knows what Charlie is REALLY up to...therefore might have to wait for a LONG time......maybe longer than that. ie DirectTV.

There will prob be one form or another working but it prob might be more expensive....maybe frequent down time.

Charlie wants to reduce the numbers of FTA users peiod. Wouldn't you ...if you were Charlie (gee I hope your name is not Charles)

NO ONE knows for sure what is going to happen....I don't believe Charlie knows either...as the game is always changing.

The makers of the FTA units have a big incentive to get coders to come up with a fix........big bucks worldwide.

[Gee]

fta receiver is just a card emulator... and VS has a better processor... so if it goes down for good.. so guess yours will be worthless as well...

The difference is, he can change the card in the OEM equipment. Why emulate, when you can have the real thing?

FTA can use cards too, but I doubt it will work as well as the OEM equipment.

I disassembled the clone Viewsat I have, you don't want to know what I found.

[module]

fta receiver is just a card emulator... and VS has a better processor... so if it goes down for good.. so guess yours will be worthless as well...



Thats impossible my friend, right now this rom 102 access card isnt emulating off anything, its the real product that legit subscribers use. The only way itll go down for good is if the encryption changes, which wont be for another 2-3 years the least!

As for the FTA receivers, theyr emulating off the rom 101 image, and possibily the rom 102 now on the VS. But it seems charlie is going after FTA pretty harsh. My argument is the "real thing" wont go down permamently as the FTA would and I can assure you of that from years of being in the business.

Your theory is very irrelivent to the comparison of the FTA receivers. And even so if the VS did come up with a trick to use the card slot, it wouldnt be for a few months or so, and even then itd be useless as its better off using the original OEM equipment instead of buying a CARD to EMULATE an image.

[Gee]

The FTA is not a card emulator. It is not that sophicated. It is way more simplier than that. That is why I am a little disappointed with them. But it explains why they are so cheap in comparison to the OEM equipment.

[josipm]

The difference is, he can change the card in the OEM equipment. Why emulate, when you can have the real thing?

FTA can use cards too, but I doubt it will work as well as the OEM equipment.

I disassembled the clone Viewsat I have, you don't want to know what I found.


Can you take a picture for all of us to see what the clone looks like inside?

[Gee]

Can you take a picture for all of us to see what the clone looks like inside?

I will have to get a decent camera first. Camera Phone is too crappy.

But I suspect it will look very close to the original.

FTA should be used for Free To Air Signals. Those that want to pirate signals should not be using FTA. It is not really designed to handle all the possible situations.

[mallik]

Told you guys not to spend money on a FTA receiver.



While all you Viewsat Extremers wait for a fix, im kicking back and watching my porno and ppv's. Sell the viewsats before theyr not worth anything anymore. For the price you spend on a Viewsat plus a few dollars more you can get authentic hardware which has been running way before FTA. Final Words, Viewsat is going to be useless before you know it!

Pardon my ignorance, but what is authentic equipment? Can you get Indian channels with it? My parents just recently bought a Pansat clone connected to 2 sats and the Indian channels, as well as some other channels, just went down.

[Gee]

He is refering to the equipment supplied by Dish Network and Bell Express Vu

[alkapone]

ya got PM..

[Gee]

I like it and got them from this guy

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9743611084&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1


You're a clown!

That is your own eBay auction.

and here is the proof from a reply in another thread.

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3509515&postcount=10

I'm selling toshiba satellite pro 6100 laptop.

P4-M 1.8 512MB / 30 GB / CDWR / DVD

it is in new 100% working condition

asking price 575

email me at dealofday@yahoo.ca

I noticed the eBay auction has the EXACT email as your Hi-jacked reply.

You are looking for a permanent holiday.

[soultrader]

People Are People

[Gee]

People Are People

So, says Depeche Mode

I didn't report him or anything. He could have been more honest. That is all.

[Evil Techie]

once again with the help of alkapone
this thread strays into the pirating content

locking

consider yourself warned

make another thread if u are intending to talk only about legal and legitimate issues
but further posts containing piracy by those warned may result in a ban