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fishlips20
May 11th, 2006, 11:38 AM
http://www.humanbeingcurious.com/page15/page23/page23.html

The 100 Years War (which actually lasted 116 years) was a bloody war fought between the British and the French. This was the first war in which long range artillery was used, and the first deadly long range weapon to be invented was the longbow, which was invented by the British. The longbow had an effective accurate range of about 300 feet.

The longbowmen were not the most battle worthy men, as they were usually trained to shoot an arrow long distances, and not to fight with close range weapons. The longbow was used in an almost machine gun like fashion. The archer would stick all of his arrows in the ground in order to get to them quickly. He would grab an arrow and quickly shoot at the approaching army, then quickly reload and fire again. He would use his index and ring finger to draw and fire the bow. This was known as “plucking”, as it resembled plucking a stringed instrument.

The French hated the longbow. Whenever a longbowman was captured, the French would cut of their index and ring fingers, so they couldn’t fire their weapons, and hence be useless to the war.

The captured English prisoners returned with nothing left but their middle fingers, and in a short period of time learned to use their middle finger to draw their longbows, and “pluck” once again.

Before one battle, the French, knowing they had their opponent greatly outnumbered (around six to one), had a grand party the night before the battle was to begin. Realizing this, the English attacked early the next morning, surprising the French, and destroying their advantage. As the English realized their victory, they began their victory celebrations while still waging a victorious battle.

One of the most notable celebrations was the dancing and cheering done by the mutilated longbowmen. They would dance and skip around the dead and wounded Frenchmen, showing them their only remaining useful finger (their middle finger), and yelling (in a British accent), “Look! I still have me middle fingah! I can still pluck you!!! I can still pluck you!!!”

This phrase was later modified to something else we say when we give someone the finger…

So the next time someone gives you the finger and says what they normally say, correct them by saying, “Actually, the correct term is pluck you!”, and see what kind of results you get!

Now, it's difficult to tell if this story is true or not. Wikipedia believes that it's likely to be true, as evidenced by a first hand account written by author Jean Froissart, but there are others that say it's false. But then again, there are people out there that say it's impossible to lift a human being off the ground using helium party balloons! You be the judge...

peroxide8888
May 11th, 2006, 12:00 PM
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a980904.htmlDear Cecil:

Can you confirm the following? It sounds rather fishy to me. --Adam Koford, Salt Lake City, Utah

[Adam attaches the following memo, which has been floating around the Internet for some time.]

Subject: Truth About the Finger

In the film Titanic the character Rose is shown giving the finger to Jack, another character. Many people who have seen the film question whether "giving the finger" was done around the time of the Titanic disaster, or was it a more recent gesture invented by some defiant seventh-grader. According to research, here's the true story:

Before the Battle of Agincourt in 1415, the French, anticipating victory over the English, proposed to cut off the middle finger of all captured English soldiers. Without the middle finger it would be impossible to draw the renowned English longbow and therefore [soldiers would] be incapable of fighting in the future. This famous weapon was made of the native English yew tree, and the act of drawing the longbow was known as "plucking the yew." Much to the bewilderment of the French, the English won a major upset and began mocking the French by waving their middle fingers at the defeated French, saying, "See, we can still pluck yew!"

Over the years some "folk etymologies" have grown up around this symbolic gesture. Since "pluck yew" is rather difficult to say, like "pheasant mother plucker," which is who you had to go to for the feathers used on the arrows for the longbow, the difficult consonant cluster at the beginning has gradually changed to a labiodental fricative "f," and thus the words often used in conjunction with the one-finger salute are mistakenly thought to have something to do with an intimate encounter. It is also because of the pheasant feathers on the arrows that the gesture is known as "giving the bird."

And yew all thought yew knew everything!

Dear Adam:

Uh huh.

Now for the facts. The "one-finger salute," or at any rate sexual gestures involving the middle finger, are thousands of years old. In Gestures: Their Origins and Distribution, Desmond Morris and colleagues note that the digitus infamis or digitus impudicus (infamous or indecent finger) is mentioned several times in the literature of ancient Rome. Turning to our vast classical library, we quickly turn up three references. Two are from the epigrammatist Martial: "Laugh loudly, Sextillus, when someone calls you a queen and put your middle finger out."

(The verse continues: "But you are no sodomite nor fornicator either, Sextillus, nor is Vetustina's hot mouth your fancy." Martial, and Roman poets in general, could be pretty out there, subject-matter-wise. Another verse begins: "You love to be sodomized, Papylus . . .")

In the other reference Martial writes that a certain party "points a finger, an indecent one, at" some other people. The historian Suetonius, writing about Augustus Caesar, says the emperor "expelled [the entertainer] Pylades . . . because when a spectator started to hiss, he called the attention of the whole audience to him with an obscene movement of his middle finger." Morris also claims that the mad emperor Caligula, as an insult, would extend his middle finger for supplicants to kiss.

It's not known whether one displayed the digitus infamis in the same manner that we (well, you) flip the bird today. In another of his books Morris describes a variety of sexual insults involving the middle finger, such as the "middle-finger down prod," the "middle-finger erect," etc., all of which are different from the classic middle-finger jerk. But let's not quibble. The point is, the middle-finger/phallus equation goes back way before the Titanic, the Battle of Agincourt, or probably even that time Sextillus cut off Pylades with his chariot. And I ain't kidding yew.

--CECIL ADAMS

ji2o0k
May 11th, 2006, 12:23 PM
hahah pretty interesting read...........very interesting how this comes about, whether it is true or not, doesn't matter........still interesting.......




pluck y'all :lol:

Bullseye
May 11th, 2006, 04:19 PM
Urban legend strikes again!

Snopes (http://www.snopes.com/language/apocryph/pluckyew.htm)

Rogue_77
May 11th, 2006, 04:39 PM
So, with that being said, can we now get away with using the words "pluck" and "you" in future posts? :cheesygri

Sericously, can we?

MrWizard
May 11th, 2006, 05:52 PM
According to one of my highschool english teachers, the origin of the word **** is that you had to ask the king for permission to have sex (to control the population).

Hence:

Fornication
Under
Consent of the
King

Bullseye
May 11th, 2006, 05:59 PM
According to one of my highschool english teachers, the origin of the word **** is that you had to ask the king for permission to have sex (to control the population).

Hence:

Fornication
Under
Consent of the
King

Also a an urban myth.

Rogue_77
May 11th, 2006, 06:06 PM
According to one of my highschool english teachers, the origin of the word **** is that you had to ask the king for permission to have sex (to control the population).

Hence:

Fornication
Under
Consent of the
King

Well Pluck me, learn something new everyday :cheesygri

impostor
May 11th, 2006, 10:54 PM
Vancouver Public Library is getting a book on this subject (http://ipac2.vpl.ca/ipac20/ipac.jsp?profile=pac&source=~!horizon&view=items&uri=full=3100001~!1356193~!13&ri=1) :cheesygri

UncleSteve
May 11th, 2006, 11:01 PM
Also a an urban myth.

Another snopes fan, I see! I think I've read just about every page on that site. I especially like "The Repository Of Lost Legends" myself. :)

AzN_RiverdaleCI
May 11th, 2006, 11:03 PM
interesting.... I have learned a lot today from this thread.

Bullseye
May 12th, 2006, 09:04 AM
Are people here just ignoring that these little fables are just made up stories? Seems that way. I guess this is why these urban legends are so pervasive...people like them, even though they are not true, so they just ignore it when people tell them otherwise!

Bortman
May 12th, 2006, 12:27 PM
The longbow can shoot MUCH further than 300 feet... I can piss that far. Its more like 300 yards.

Piccolo
May 12th, 2006, 12:33 PM
According to one of my highschool english teachers, the origin of the word **** is that you had to ask the king for permission to have sex (to control the population).

Hence:

Fornication
Under
Consent of the
King

My english teacher told me that is was a legal term used...
fornification of unlawful carnal(ummm sp) knowledge. ;)

Piccolo
May 12th, 2006, 12:39 PM
"For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge is the ninth album by American hard rock band Van Halen, released in 1991 (see 1991 in music). When the first letter of each word in the title are put together, they spell a vulgarism, an intended pun; the phrase For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge is one of the common fake etymologies of the word ****."
(edited for language) source = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/*.*.*.*.

for anyone who didn't get my scarcasm in my last post. :cheesygri

slice
May 12th, 2006, 12:39 PM
... meanwhile, road rage was invented by hostile chariott driving English longbowsmen who vacationed in France. :D

Boss_Scorpius
May 12th, 2006, 02:52 PM
Well, here's an interesting little fact for you. In Iran the thumbs up sign means the same thing as Giving the finger here.

coomar
May 12th, 2006, 04:31 PM
The range of the medieval weapon is unknown, with estimates from 165 to 228 m (180 to 249 yds). Modern longbows have a useful range up to 180 m (200 yd). A 150 lb Mary Rose replica longbow was able to shoot a 53.6 g (1.89 oz) arrow 328.0 m (360 yd) and a 95.9 g (3.3 oz) a distance of 249.9 m (272 yd).

coomar
May 12th, 2006, 04:33 PM
150lb bow, man, how much wood would it take to supply an detachment of archers