Stop Canada Pension Plan Investments in War!

[hotweiss]

http://coat.openconcept.ca/cpp/

Sign the petition.

Weapons are made to be used. Why is Canada supporting the death machine?

[d_jedi]

The CPP should only concern itself with getting the best return for OUR money. The companies that make these weapons do just that - they MAKE them.. they do not USE them.

[hotweiss]

The CPP should only concern itself with getting the best return for OUR money. The companies that make these weapons do just that - they MAKE them.. they do not USE them.

Maybe the CPP should start investing in the cocaine trade? What do you think?

[fakishan]

if we invest in war, is it not only logical to expect more war?

[hotweiss]

if we invest in war, is it not only logical to expect more war?

What's worse is that these weapons can be used against us in the future.

[Evil Baby]

why not make some cash of a business that isn't going to go away and isn't illegal?

[Boss_Scorpius]

The CPP should only concern itself with getting the best return for OUR money. The companies that make these weapons do just that - they MAKE them.. they do not USE them.

When did Canada become a country of the "end justifies the means" :(

[hotweiss]

why not make some cash of a business that isn't going to go away and isn't illegal?

Ethics!

Plus don't you see the insanity in industrializing the military? Don't you see that this could influence the foreign policy of nations? The Bush and the Bin Ladens have huge investments in the military industrial complex.

[fakishan]

When did Canada become a country of the "end justifies the means" :(

I would like to say Harper, but that wouldn't be true. It's beyond political parties, our leaders don't have a choice... to keep funding such powerfull groups is not wise at all. of course, many will. money is everything...or so they say.

[Bullseye]

Weapons are also used for national defence, and on peacekeeping missions, not quite a black and white issue.

Hitler, Milosevic, and innumerable African tyrants would not have give up their hold on power if we just asked them Really Nicely to please stop killing people.

[asim99]

The CPP should only concern itself with getting the best return for OUR money. The companies that make these weapons do just that - they MAKE them.. they do not USE them.
:rolleyes:

[mattpiloto]

if we invest in war, is it not only logical to expect more war?

Sorry, but I have to say it: If you wish for peace, you must first prepare for war.

I'm not speaking for or against any current wars, but what happens if say, there is a new Hitler that comes along and decides he likes Canada. Meanwhile, however, the US, Canada, etc, have all rolled back their militaries to be a peacekeeping force only. Now what do you do? Ask the bad guys nicely to go away? If you think the world is all roses and butterflies now, you are sadly mistaken. There is one language that some people speak, and that is force. As long as that is true, a strong military is necessary.

[xKagex]

Thanks for the post. Perhaps the title should be changed to reflect that there's a petition to sign - I had no idea and didn't check this thread for quite a while.

[hotweiss]

Weapons are also used for national defence, and on peacekeeping missions, not quite a black and white issue.

Hitler, Milosevic, and innumerable African tyrants would not have give up their hold on power if we just asked them Really Nicely to please stop killing people.

You wouldn't believe me that WW II was organized by Masons and so was the war in Yugoslavia, so I won't tell you that. And yes, the Masons produce all of the weapons. Yes, the U.S. still sells weapons to countless fascist non-democratic countries. And believe me when I say that the U.S.'s only interest in Africa is to sell enough weapons so that as many people will get killed as possible. And remember that they always play both sides!

[dark169]

STOP the CCP in investing in comanies that make money so it dires up and dies.

if you want ethics in investing where do you draw the line? Drug companies who profit from treatment not cures, seed/pesticide makers, big tabacoo, lumber, automakers, ect...

The CPP should be free to invest in business that make money legally.

the CPP not investing in weapons makers doesn't change what they do and wouldn't effect them in the least. Perahps we should invest the intire CPP in to say fuel cells and soy, one of which wont make money and the other is even more evil then weapons systems.

[Bullseye]

You wouldn't believe me that WW II was organized by Masons and so was the war in Yugoslavia, so I won't tell you that. And yes, the Masons produce all of the weapons. Yes, the U.S. still sells weapons to countless fascist non-democratic countries. And believe me when I say that the U.S.'s only interest in Africa is to sell enough weapons so that as many people will get killed as possible. And remember that they always play both sides!

Okay, so you're insane, then, thanks for clarifying. :lol:

[hotweiss]

Sorry, but I have to say it: If you wish for peace, you must first prepare for war.

I'm not speaking for or against any current wars, but what happens if say, there is a new Hitler that comes along and decides he likes Canada. Meanwhile, however, the US, Canada, etc, have all rolled back their militaries to be a peacekeeping force only. Now what do you do? Ask the bad guys nicely to go away? If you think the world is all roses and butterflies now, you are sadly mistaken. There is one language that some people speak, and that is force. As long as that is true, a strong military is necessary.

Canada is a neutral country so it shouldn't be supporting the military industrial complex, on the other hand the U.S. is the world's most dangerous country, as it has been in the most conflicts in the last century. Although I do agree with you that force is the ultimate diplomatic tool in the world and the U.S. is very much exploiting this tool; there's another reason why we shouldn't be supporting the U.S. military industrial complex.

[hotweiss]

Okay, so you're insane, then, thanks for clarifying. :lol:

Look, Hitler was part of the Thule society. The founder of the Thule society was a Mason. The industrialists that supported Hitler were all Masons. You don't really think one man was behind all of the maddness, do you? WW II was already planned out at the end of WW I.

As far as Yugoslavia is concerned, the ones who drew those borders were Masons.

[Bullseye]

I don't even want to begin to delve into the thought processes that must go on in your mind. Suffice to say, I'm guessing logic and deductive reasoning don't play a big part!

Your links are rather amusing, though.

[konfusion666]

why not make some cash of a business that isn't going to go away and isn't illegal?

we're already making quite a bit of tax $$$ from the "defence industry"... i.e. "merchants of death" (see Lord of War) .... therefore, unless the "military-industrial complex" is outlawed, I see no point in simply removing them from the CPP investment portfolio. IMHO the "military-industrial complex" is so integrated into pretty much all First World nations' economies, there's not much anybody can do about them...

[konfusion666]

Canada is a neutral country so it shouldn't be supporting the military industrial complex

wrong, Canada is very much a part of the "Anglo-American Alliance", it just so happens that it plays its role by hanging in the sidelines and acting like a neutrally-appearing "partner" or "intermediary". this role has apparently caused some in our country to believe that we are some of neutral-leaning peacenik... but we're not.

[Bullseye]

'Military industrial complex' - I love that term. It lets me know right away that I'm dealing with a parrot, someone who just picks up phrases from reading the rantings of the lunatic fringe. These people never have an original thought in their head, they are just signal repeaters, spreaders of a message they've latched onto for whatever reason.

[hotweiss]

wrong, Canada is very much a part of the "Anglo-American Alliance", it just so happens that it plays its role by hanging in the sidelines and acting like a neutrally-appearing "partner" or "intermediary". this role has apparently caused some in our country to believe that we are some of neutral-leaning peacenik... but we're not.

You are right, but Canada's official stance is that it is indeed neutral. It will not take an aggressive stance towards any other country.

[gei]

You wouldn't believe me that WW II was organized by Masons and so was the war in Yugoslavia, so I won't tell you that. And yes, the Masons produce all of the weapons. Yes, the U.S. still sells weapons to countless fascist non-democratic countries. And believe me when I say that the U.S.'s only interest in Africa is to sell enough weapons so that as many people will get killed as possible. And remember that they always play both sides!

lol

[hotweiss]

'Military industrial complex' - I love that term. It lets me know right away that I'm dealing with a parrot, someone who just picks up phrases from reading the rantings of the lunatic fringe. These people never have an original thought in their head, they are just signal repeaters, spreaders of a message they've latched onto for whatever reason.

You are verry correct, I am a parrot:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1422779427989588955

[konfusion666]

You are right, but Canada's official stance is that it is indeed neutral. It will not take an aggressive stance towards any other country.

Actually, simply by being a member of NATO -- and party to many many other defence treaties -- we are most certainly not an "officially neutral" country.

The only country who can bandy the "neutral" label around with some degree of credibility is Switzerland...

Perhaps what you are looking for is that we don't have any sort of "first strike" or "pre-emptive attack" policy, which is true, but has nothing to do with neutrality...

[hotweiss]

we're already making quite a bit of tax $$$ from the "defence industry"... i.e. "merchants of death" (see Lord of War) .... therefore, unless the "military-industrial complex" is outlawed, I see no point in simply removing them from the CPP investment portfolio. IMHO the "military-industrial complex" is so integrated into pretty much all First World nations' economies, there's not much anybody can do about them...

It won't be outlawed, the industry is controlled by the same grouop of people that control the government. It's time for the people to rise up.

[Anessa]

Look, Hitler was part of the Thule society. The founder of the Thule society was a Mason. The industrialists that supported Hitler were all Masons. You don't really think one man was behind all of the maddness, do you? WW II was already planned out at the end of WW I.

As far as Yugoslavia is concerned, the ones who drew those borders were Masons.

Who controls the British crown?
Who keeps the metric system down?
We do! We do!
Who leaves Atlantis off the maps?
Who keeps the martians under wraps?
We do! We do!
Who holds back the electric car?
Who makes Steve Guttenberg a star?
We do! We do!
Who robs the cave fish of their sight?
Who rigs every Oscars night?
We do! We do!

[Bullseye]

Hotweiss - do you have any link to sources with even the vaguest shred of credibility?

[hotweiss]

Actually, simply by being a member of NATO -- and party to many many other defence treaties -- we are most certainly not an "officially neutral" country.

The only country who can bandy the "neutral" label around with some degree of credibility is Switzerland...

Perhaps what you are looking for is that we don't have any sort of "first strike" or "pre-emptive attack" policy, which is true, but has nothing to do with neutrality...

Canada is part of NATO, yes, but it's only taking a peace keeping role and a defensive role.

[hotweiss]

Hotweiss - do you have any link to sources with even the vaguest shred of credibility?

What source would you like?

[Bullseye]

What source would you like?

Anything backing up anything that you've posted here that comes from a credible media source will do.

I'm pretty sure I already know the answer to that, though.

[hotweiss]

Anything backing up anything that you've posted here that comes from a credible media source will do.

I'm pretty sure I already know the answer to that, though.

Just look at my signature.

[Bullseye]

Just look at my signature.

I don't see anything credible there, just paranoid delusions.

[hotweiss]

I don't see anything credible there, just paranoid delusions.

I myself will not trust the Masonic media that calls Iraqi freedom fighters insurgents. Believe what you want.

[Bullseye]

I myself will not trust the Masonic media that calls Iraqi freedom fighters insurgents. Believe what you want.

Yes, there it is, folks. There are apparently no media sources with any kind of reputation at all who are to be believed in this world, but a fringe site that some nutter puts together in his parents basement is where the Real Truth lies.

[xKagex]

If you start looking deep enough, you'll see there are certain groups in the elite that place a huge importance on ancient knowledge and the occult. Heck, you only need to look at the American dollar bill and the monuments in Washington, DC. The fact that they hold meetings in an ancient grove (important in druidic religions) and have mock sacrifices to a huge stone owl isn't strange to you? The emphasis on numbers also plays a huge role for these people - it's not for nothing that we have a minute of silence on Nov 11, at 11:00 am. If you're interested, look at how many times the number 11 shows up in the WTC attacks. (These may be coincidences, or very carefully planned in a superstitious way by occult-obsessed lunatics). It's well known that the free-masons practice ancient rites and worship the symbols, so it's no wonder they always get mixed up in the theories.

Unfortunately fact and fiction get interwoven, and our Judeo/Christian culture is deathly afraid of anything occult, that it's no wonder this stuff leads to outrageous conspiracy theories. Ancient knowledge (the occult) is almost always seen as Satanic - just look at 95% of the conspiracy websites. Certain numbers, certain symbols (pentagram) are equated with devil worship. I believe they actually come from pre-biblical rituals and knowledge of sacred geometry, that became known as Satanic only later in our history. Often things that aren't well-understood are seen as evil, while in reality they aren't good or evil, just powerful knowledge that can be used for either.

It's almost like Bush is using biblical prophecies to mislead the religious right into a war against the muslims, who are seen as residing on the ancient site of Babylon. In case nobody has noticed, Israel also plays a big role, and the return of the Jews to their 'homeland' is somehow supposed to signal the return of Christ. I'm assuming Bush is using this to his advantage, if he actually believes God is telling him to go to war, it's a lot scarier than we think. I personally believe these are nothing but oil/resource wars, but we couldn't exactly justify that to the people now, could we.

Anyway, that was my off-topic ramble.. feel free to harass me - I can take it.

[devious9191]

Yes, there it is, folks. There are apparently no media sources with any kind of reputation at all who are to be believed in this world, but a fringe site that some nutter puts together in his parents basement is where the Real Truth lies.

lol.

[Anessa]

Just look at my signature.

I see propaganda and nothing of scholarly repute.

[mlc2000]

Try to find someone, anyone who made $ buying 'ethical' mutual funds.

[fakishan]

Try to find someone, anyone who made $ buying 'ethical' mutual funds.

Then, do you think those peole have the right to being safe from the dangers of guns and terrorists? If we invest in those things, and the comrporations strr trouble there to maximize profits, should we be held responsible?

No matter your opinion, it is logical that we are held responsible. Karma.

[bubble.tea]

hehe., looks like someone over at CPP was watching Jim Cramers Mad Money that day (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=277554) lmao.