vw golf gti vs civic si. which one???

[sg1138]

i'm undecided between the two. my friends say i should go with the german engineered vw golf since it'll handle and be sportier and be more reliable. what do yall think?

[nopn]

Gti

[weedb0y]

vdubs..but not in reliability though

[advantage21]

i'm undecided between the two. my friends say i should go with the german engineered vw golf since it'll handle and be sportier and be more reliable. what do yall think?

VW Golf = German engineering and Mexican labor

Go with the Civic, it's much much more reliable then the Golf. And if your are looking at the 2006 SI, it's the best bang for the buck.

[Alvito]

which one do u like more?

[ssainani]

i think you need to test drive both to see what you prefer

the civic brings more reliability...but you need to beat the **** out of it to get fast

the vw on the other hand is much easier to drive fast...and you don't feel like an ******* doing it during lunch with coworkers beside you

i test drove both and prefered the gti

as did road and track

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[manixc]

Personally, I would perfer GTI because the hatch style would make it more practical, and I can't say I like the instrument panel of the new gen Civic.

Also, I believe the MKV is built in Wolfsburg, Germany.

However, GTI is $3000 more expensive in Canada, and the SI is even better equiped at base price (has sunroof).



here's the direct comparsion from Edmunds
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=109825

[Slimfast]

I wouldn't feel bad if I pulled up in front of a swanky hotel in a golf, but in a civic si i would. I wouldn't want my car to be screaming every time I wanted to pass or get a decent get go from the lights

[advantage21]

I wouldn't feel bad if I pulled up in front of a swanky hotel in a golf, but in a civic si i would.

If that's how you see yourself then you have a real inferiority complex and/or deeply rooted psychological problems. Seek professional help.

[Slimfast]

Actually both my parents are alcoholics and I have a micro penis.

Cmon, you can't tell me you buy a car without any thought to it's image? Why do you think BMW and Merc sell so well?

[googoo]

Civic, better equipped for less money. more reliable, and better resale value.

Brent

YES, I love hatchbacks, but the price premium alone would scare me.

[bionicbadger]

Drive them both and see which one you like better. I'd pick the golf, but its personal opinion.

[nopn]

Where can I get the similar article from road and track with different cars ?
:D :D

thx

i think you need to test drive both to see what you prefer

the civic brings more reliability...but you need to beat the **** out of it to get fast

the vw on the other hand is much easier to drive fast...and you don't feel like an ******* doing it during lunch with coworkers beside you

i test drove both and prefered the gti

as did road and track

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[B0000rt]

Everyone's saying the Civic is more reliable.

How do you know? Are you going by past track records? Do you have a time machine to go into the future and see that it is indeed more reliable than the GTi? You just can't do that for a new model car.

Don't buy any of them this year, wait until the '07 model comes out and buy that.

[DISH]

The engine and tranny in the Si are similar to the one in the RSX type S which has been in production since 2002. It's safe to say that the K20 series engine is very reliable and quite responsive to basic bolt ons.

I would go for the civic hands down.

- lower cost of maintenance
-better on gas
-cheaper parts
- bullet proof reliability
-Large aftermarket
- Higher residual value on the Si

[B0000rt]

Oh right, he did say Si, sorry, I was thinking of the whole Civic lineup :D

As for better on gas? I really don't think there's really much of a difference.

[gilboman]

if you like to drive, the Civic SI beats the GTI EASILY, GTI is less sporty but more comfortable. someone mentioned GTI being easier to drive, that is true in the sense that a new camry is easier to drive fast than a GTI but that doesnt really mean much :lol:

this quote basically sums it up



"the new GTI doesn't have a chance if you drive the Civic to its potential." :lol:

basically, the GTI is a good golf, daily driver suited to the masses, but if you want good driving experience it falls flat.

from comparison review
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=109825

[gilboman]

Everyone's saying the Civic is more reliable.

How do you know? Are you going by past track records? Do you have a time machine to go into the future and see that it is indeed more reliable than the GTi? You just can't do that for a new model car.

.

a very reasonable assumption is that VW has never made a reliable car in the past 10years or so, and the VW Golf/GTI has had all sorts of problems since it came out 3years ago (its been out for that long already in europe)

Honda with execption of canuck_2005's insight have made very relaible cars for past 10+ years. thus, it is very easy to say Civic will be more reliable.

i mean weather forecasters, financial analysts, engineers, all don't have time machines, but when they put out reports, buildings etc... can all fairly reliabily tell you wat's gonna happen in the future to weather, a commoditiy, whether a bridge will fall ;)

[fly]

a very reasonable assumption is that VW has never made a reliable car in the past 10years or so, and the VW Golf/GTI has had all sorts of problems since it came out 3years ago (its been out for that long already in europe)

My friend owned a Golf. He traded it in after 2 years. He had problems the entire 2 years and even normal wear and tear parts didn't last -- lightbulbs dying consistently after 1-2 months.

So don't think it's only $3k more. It costs a lot more to own this car.
His brother owns a Civic and has only done oil changes (free at the dealership) -- no problems.

[B0000rt]

a very reasonable assumption is that VW has never made a reliable car in the past 10years or so, and the VW Golf/GTI has had all sorts of problems since it came out 3years ago (its been out for that long already in europe)

Honda with execption of canuck_2005's insight have made very relaible cars for past 10+ years. thus, it is very easy to say Civic will be more reliable.

i mean weather forecasters, financial analysts, engineers, all don't have time machines, but when they put out reports, buildings etc... can all fairly reliabily tell you wat's gonna happen in the future to weather, a commoditiy, whether a bridge will fall ;)
Then again you look at Honda's track record at building transmissions and you cringe :p

[gilboman]

Then again you look at Honda's track record at building transmissions and you cringe :p

you look at VW's record in anything to do with reliability and you throw up :lol:

civic SI is manual only , honda has always made great manual trannies that are reliable. ;)

if you'd look, the trannies only affected V6's, prolly due to honda's inexperience with high torque/power engines at teh time. the SI is honda's specialty for itself, small, light compact, driver oriented car.

whereas VW's specialty is overpriced, porky, junk that lasts a few years if even.

[B0000rt]

civic SI is manual only , honda has always made great manual trannies that are reliable. ;) .

Yes I know, see post #16 :arrowu: ;)

But hey, VW could've addressed the problems, couldn't they have? :razz:
I mean MB fixed their ML problem, why can't the largest German manufacturer do the same? :D

[gilboman]

Yes I know, see post #16 :arrowu: ;)

But hey, VW could've addressed the problems, couldn't they have? :razz:
I mean MB fixed their ML problem, why can't the largest German manufacturer do the same? :D

i mean pigs could fly right :D

MB fixed their ML problems by making all their cars just as crappy so the ML was no longer obvious the worst MB in reliabilty :lol:

now you will be assured to know any MB you buy will fall apart like a VW but in less spectacular fashion within a few years of ownership :lol:

[belgiangenius]

The engine and tranny in the Si are similar to the one in the RSX type S which has been in production since 2002. It's safe to say that the K20 series engine is very reliable and quite responsive to basic bolt ons.

I would go for the civic hands down.

- lower cost of maintenance
-better on gas
-cheaper parts
- bullet proof reliability
-Large aftermarket
- Higher residual value on the Si

I agree....but damn, is that one ass ugly front end on that Civic.

[Emancipated]

Did he want a Golf or GTi? I'd want a Golf. Too many damn Honda's in my family.

[akito925]

just pick any car you like test drive them both, pick the one oyu liked best that drive.. both cars should be fine as long as you just do the basic maintaining it.. oil changes etc.

[phomp]

The new civic is very nice and handles just as good if not better than the gti. This is assuming you are talking about the new ones. The new civic is expensive though out the door, not sure which cost more the gti (vr6) or civic but im going to say go for the civic. If we are talking used, hands down civic. Every used vw driver I know has had expensive problems with there car where a lot of civic drivers I know rarley had any problems. Also My friend bought a super clean vw golf with 240,000 kms and it lasted 2 months and died. It was very well kept and died. Ive seen beat on civics that last much better. Thats just my humble opinion :cheesygri

[advantage21]

The engine and tranny in the Si are similar to the one in the RSX type S which has been in production since 2002. It's safe to say that the K20 series engine is very reliable and quite responsive to basic bolt ons.

I would go for the civic hands down.

- lower cost of maintenance
-better on gas
-cheaper parts
- bullet proof reliability
-Large aftermarket
- Higher residual value on the Si

All that plus a limited-slip differential.

[googoo]

"2.0T
Prepare for blast-off.
Comes standard with the 2.0 litre,
200 hp, 4-cylinder Turbo engine.
Starts at $29,375.*"

The GTI starts at $3000 more than the Civic

it's PDI appears to be about $400 LESS

it has heated seats and 6 disc in-dash changer that the Civic doesn't have ... about $600 for the changer from Honda, and you can't get the heated seats. the GTI also has Zenon headlights, though I'm not sure of the value, say $1000

Civic price advantage is now only $1000

The GTI takes premium fuel, over a 4 years span, 20 000KM a year your look somewhere around $200 a year in fuel costs = $800 over 4 years

back up to $1800

Sunrooof on the GTI is $1400

back up to $3200

That look about it, total adavantage, about $3200 for the Civic, Don't need the sunroof or the Zenon headlights, you're looking at about a $2800 price advantage.

I'm not too sure how to factor in maintanence costs, anybody know 4 year rates for both the CIvic and the GTI?? or a good estimate??

Anybody know what a 4 year old GTI is worth?? The civics residual is 50%, but is actually closer to 65%.

Brent

[B0000rt]

Si takes premium too, doesn't it?

[belgiangenius]

Golf made in Mexico or Brazil or Germany.

'nuff said.

Get the Civic.

[new_vr]

Golf made in Mexico.

'nuff said.

Get the Civic.
Again, talking about things you don't know about.
First year versions of a new generation VW generally come in Wolfsburg. The MKV is no different. After that, the Golfs are made in Brazil, the jettas are made in mexico.
That being said, the SI will still have less problems

[srtor]

Civic all the way! No comparison (Look at the price difference, you will save enough to buy yourself other goodies). Civic SI wins!! :lol:

[kckool]

"
I'm not too sure how to factor in maintanence costs, anybody know 4 year rates for both the CIvic and the GTI?? or a good estimate??

Anybody know what a 4 year old GTI is worth?? The civics residual is 50%, but is actually closer to 65%.

Brent

Residual on a GTI w/ 4year lease is 52%, interest rate for financing on 4yrs is 5.9% on the GTI and 7.9% on the Civic. Once you factor that in, the cost of the car is much closer than you think.

Also, GTI made in Germany and I'm pretty sure the Si is made in Alliston. I'd perfer German built any day.

At the base price too, there's more features built into the GTI than the Si.

[SoNgMaN]

new civic design help from BMW really looks like they spent those special needs kids to do the work.

[gilboman]

new civic design help from BMW really looks like they spent those special needs kids to do the work.

well can't be worse than the VW intern engineers that are running the place with lemon after lemon for past decade or so. it's hard to consistently produce junk that rank near dead last in reliability while being overpriced. :lol:

[actng]

no one has mentioned the most important thing in this thread: torque!

if you don't know what torque is or how it feels, go test drive the 2.0T.
horsepower is meaningless unless you're planning on going way faster than the speed limit. for city redlight "racing" or highway lane changing, the massive torque is what makes the difference between a safe and unsafe maneuvre!!

[manixc]

well can't be worse than the VW intern engineers that are running the place with lemon after lemon for past decade or so. it's hard to consistently produce junk that rank near dead last in reliability while being overpriced. :lol:

I'm curious why VW has been less than reliable, considering VW is German and German engineering is supposed to be awsome! I know that most VWs sold in Canada are made in Mexico but the design and engineering are still done in Germany.
Anyone?

[Anessa]

Outsourcing and globalization. Tijuana, Mexico is just cheaper than Wolfsburg :)

[Anessa]

Residual on a GTI w/ 4year lease is 52%, interest rate for financing on 4yrs is 5.9% on the GTI and 7.9% on the Civic. Once you factor that in, the cost of the car is much closer than you think.

Also, GTI made in Germany and I'm pretty sure the Si is made in Alliston. I'd perfer German built any day.

At the base price too, there's more features built into the GTI than the Si.

Civic SI is Japanese made and German built hasn't been good for years now.

[gilboman]

no one has mentioned the most important thing in this thread: torque!

if you don't know what torque is or how it feels, go test drive the 2.0T.
horsepower is meaningless unless you're planning on going way faster than the speed limit. for city redlight "racing" or highway lane changing, the massive torque is what makes the difference between a safe and unsafe maneuvre!!

in a sportcompact, torque is not the most important thing, far from it. ;) you aren't talking about a minivan here or a SUV and need to tow a boat :lol:

a go bus has lots of torque, how does it drive :lol: , a pickup truck has torque, how does it drive ;)

that's like saying a pontiac soltice is better driving car than Lotus Elise because the soltice has more torque :lol: if this was the case, american cars should be one of the best cars in their classes. :lol:

torque is meaningless if the chassis is mediocore along with brakes, handling and steering and the car is a pos that breaks down as often as the seaking choppers.

[gilboman]

I'm curious why VW has been less than reliable, considering VW is German and German engineering is supposed to be awsome! I know that most VWs sold in Canada are made in Mexico but the design and engineering are still done in Germany.
Anyone?

German auto engineering has not been awesome FOR A LONG LONG TIME, it was around 20yrs ago, but for past 15years has been playing catch up to the japanese in reliability and innovation.

[sg1138]

well can't be worse than the VW intern engineers that are running the place with lemon after lemon for past decade or so. it's hard to consistently produce junk that rank near dead last in reliability while being overpriced. :lol:

true but at least they don't try to badge econoboxes as acuras and sell them to people for 5,6 or 10K more than their honda equivlants! LOL

[gilboman]

Outsourcing and globalization. Tijuana, Mexico is just cheaper than Wolfsburg :)

german made VW's are still junk in reliability, just like Audi, its not assembly that's the problem. but VW/Audi like MB, just dont know how to design a reliable product.

even if toyota/lexus assembled VW/Audi products, it'll still be lemons because IT IS FUNDEMENTAL DESIGN FLAWS that cause it systems/parts to fail so often.

[gilboman]

true but at least they don't try to badge econoboxes as acuras and sell them to people for 5,6 or 10K more than their honda equivlants! LOL

ya..i mean VW's are already as expensive as acura's at around 1/10th the reliability and less favorable driving experience.

VW is even worse, they sell overpriced pos, atleast with acura/honda, you are getting something that wont crap out in a year or two, not to mention, they are a better car at better price than the VW to begin with.


i mean an overpriced acura is around same price as a VW, but acura's are generally way better cars in driving experience and light years ahead in reliability ;)

[seftonm]

Germans do seem to be good mechanical engineers... Look at the new V10 in the BMW M cars, the VAG FSI 2.0T, DSG transmission, Audi R8 and R10. What kills them is poor electronics and the design of less mechanical systems like the famous VW window clips.

OP: Drive both cars and see what you like better. Car and Driver also did a comparison and liked the GTI better. They found the Civic was sportier but the GTI was better at day to day life without sacrificing too much fun.

[kingsley]

Civic Si, even though it looks like crap. Reliable and sportiness are the main selling points. Wish it wasn't so heavy though.

[belgiangenius]

ya..i mean VW's are already as expensive as acura's at around 1/10th the reliability and less favorable driving experience.

VW is even worse, they sell overpriced pos, atleast with acura/honda, you are getting something that wont crap out in a year or two, not to mention, they are a better car at better price than the VW to begin with.


i mean an overpriced acura is around same price as a VW, but acura's are generally way better cars in driving experience and light years ahead in reliability ;)

I don't understand why people buy the German garbage either. German cars look nice, but that's it. A GM ranks better for reliability. You suck hard to achieve that!

[galanz]

true but at least they don't try to badge econoboxes as acuras and sell them to people for 5,6 or 10K more than their honda equivlants! LOL

Nope, they sell theirs as audi's for twice the price. Now, did you have a point?

[srtor]

Like I said before Civic SI wins!! It is super 'zoom zoom'!! :cool: VW is Crap! Better try BMW. For now Go with Civic Si. :cheesygri

[Anessa]

german made VW's are still junk in reliability, just like Audi, its not assembly that's the problem. but VW/Audi like MB, just dont know how to design a reliable product.

even if toyota/lexus assembled VW/Audi products, it'll still be lemons because IT IS FUNDEMENTAL DESIGN FLAWS that cause it systems/parts to fail so often.

OKAY!

[Sonbuster]

get the civic and save the difference. or use the difference to install on headers, exhaust system, or even a turbocharger. :). i'm not really sure if there are mods out yet for the new civic, but the wait shouldn't be long.

[gilboman]

OP: Drive both cars and see what you like better. Car and Driver also did a comparison and liked the GTI better. They found the Civic was sportier but the GTI was better at day to day life without sacrificing too much fun.

yup..the CIVIC SI is much more of a driver's car, but if one can't appreciate sportiness and want a more buicklike driving experience, the GTI is the car to get. but of course buick will have way better reliability :lol:

[B0000rt]

OKAY!
I dunno if that's sarcasm, but it's pretty accurate.

The Passats are MIG (ha ha ha) and stuffer the same problems as the Golfs and Jettas.

[manixc]

german made VW's are still junk in reliability, just like Audi, its not assembly that's the problem. but VW/Audi like MB, just dont know how to design a reliable product.

even if toyota/lexus assembled VW/Audi products, it'll still be lemons because IT IS FUNDEMENTAL DESIGN FLAWS that cause it systems/parts to fail so often.

thanks!

[mjl_toronto]

People keep talking about reliability yet nobody has yet to explain how these statisticians compile their data.

So stop crapping on these threads and stick to the OP questions. If you haven't owned either car or don't have something concrete to say then stfu and move on, or better yet, take it to the OffTopic section.

[kingsley]

People keep talking about reliability yet nobody has yet to explain how these statisticians compile their data.

So stop crapping on these threads and stick to the OP questions. If you haven't owned either car or don't have something concrete to say then stfu and move on, or better yet, take it to the OffTopic section.

Dude, there are a ton of stats on this stuff. They do it by how many complaints they get per thousand cars sold.

[actng]

Dude, there are a ton of stats on this stuff. They do it by how many complaints they get per thousand cars sold.

Incorrect. There are ZERO stats on either of the cars in question as they are brand new models. The haters should STFU until there are stats to prove their points.

Otherwise using VW's worst reliability years (some cars from 1999-2001 were admittedly poor built) as a generalization of a company's reliability ratings is as stupid as saying all people from Germany are evil nazis because of world war 1.

[Mclaren-7]

Incorrect. There are ZERO stats on either of the cars in question as they are brand new models. The haters should STFU until there are stats to prove their points.

Otherwise using VW's worst reliability years (some cars from 1999-2001 were admittedly poor built) as a generalization of a company's reliability ratings is as stupid as saying all people from Germany are evil nazis because of world war 1.

Amen! Both cars are brand new, thus no statistic on their reliability. In general, Honda is more reliable, I'll give it that. FYI, GTi are not built in Mexico, for some reason, people who are hating on VW doesn't give out all the facts. Some Golfs are indeed built in Mexico etc. But if I remember correctly, ALL GTi MkV are built in Germany.

As it has been mention earlier. Just go test drive both cars and then decide which one you like more. I personally had try both, and enjoy both cars... I did enjoy the GTi more however, and when you do test drive it, do yourself a favour and test the DSG. I think it makes a world of difference.

[galanz]

If history is any indication(as it usually is) the Honda will be quite a bit more reliable than the VW. However if you're planning on selling it before the warranty is over and can put up with some irritations and don't mind spending the extra $3000 the GTI would be a decent choice as well. I do like the styling of the Golf, it should be a lot less common of a vehicle than the SI as well.

[Mr.Universe]

If you can, wait for the summer when the Mazdaspeed 3 comes out, It's a hatch, 4-doors, has usable torque, excellent handling, and above average relaibility.

If you have to choose between a GTI or a SI right now, I'd go with the SI. I just love the sound of a high revving engine. Nothing puts a bigger smile on my face then red lining a vtec engine coming out of a corner. Sigh...I miss my Integra. That being said, the GTI is a gorgeous car, I hope they firmed up the suspension as the previous generation was too soft for sporty driving.

Isn't there a waiting list for a SI?

[gilboman]

Incorrect. There are ZERO stats on either of the cars in question as they are brand new models. The haters should STFU until there are stats to prove their points.

Otherwise using VW's worst reliability years (some cars from 1999-2001 were admittedly poor built) as a generalization of a company's reliability ratings is as stupid as saying all people from Germany are evil nazis because of world war 1.

it's actually 1999-present ;) where only junk has come from VW/AUDI

if nothing but nazis came out of germany for past 8years, then its safe to say present wont be any different. or saying a serial killer has killed a 50in the past but that doesnt mean he will kill again.

like the VW will crap out, the serial killer will kill again ;)

[gilboman]

Amen! Both cars are brand new, thus no statistic on their reliability. In general, Honda is more reliable, I'll give it that. FYI, GTi are not built in Mexico, for some reason, people who are hating on VW doesn't give out all the facts. Some Golfs are indeed built in Mexico etc. But if I remember correctly, ALL GTi MkV are built in Germany.

As it has been mention earlier. Just go test drive both cars and then decide which one you like more. I personally had try both, and enjoy both cars... I did enjoy the GTi more however, and when you do test drive it, do yourself a favour and test the DSG. I think it makes a world of difference.

junk regardless of where it's built is junk. which is why german made VW's and AUDI's are still at bottom in reliabilty.

VW's problems are not assembly but design, if you design a flawed product, even if lexus assembles them, it'll still be flawed. VW has been lucky to use mexico as scapegoat when its their incompetent engineers that are at root of their problems, just like MB.

it'll be great fun when the DSG craps out on the VW though... :lol: i mean VW can't even make a power window switch/motor reliably, imagine them making a DSG that wont crap out :lol:

[Mclaren-7]

junk regardless of where it's built is junk. which is why german made VW's and AUDI's are still at bottom in reliabilty.

VW's problems are not assembly but design, if you design a flawed product, even if lexus assembles them, it'll still be flawed. VW has been lucky to use mexico as scapegoat when its their incompetent engineers that are at root of their problems, just like MB.

it'll be great fun when the DSG craps out on the VW though... :lol: i mean VW can't even make a power window switch/motor reliably, imagine them making a DSG that wont crap out :lol:

Give it a rest man! You've been spewing the same diatribe on every post that is remotely related to VW/Audi.... We all get it. You don't like VW/Audi. You think they are design like crap and they fall apart. You believe that VW and Audi only hires incompetent engineers to design their cars. (since you seems to like to exaggerate). The OP just ask for our opinions in regards to a few factors. I gave my opinion, which is up to the OP to listen to or not (since he asked anyways). You definitely gave your opinions over and over and over again and seems to have problem with people who don't agree with your views. Bottom line is whatever car the OP buys is of no consequence to me. If he chooses the Si, that's fantastic. I am sure it will be an informed decision. If he goes for the GTi, it is still his own informed decision that made him pick the GTi.

Either way OP, good luck with your purchase, I am sure you would have fun with either car you choose.

[Redsun_ty]

Yeah I think some of you stop the brand trashing + thread crapping!! Seriously if you don't like it or crap just say it and stop repeating the stuff is crap , garbage, etc etc!!

[belgiangenius]

Give it a rest man! You've been spewing the same diatribe on every post that is remotely related to VW/Audi.... We all get it. You don't like VW/Audi. You think they are design like crap and they fall apart. You believe that VW and Audi only hires incompetent engineers to design their cars. (since you seems to like to exaggerate). The OP just ask for our opinions in regards to a few factors. I gave my opinion, which is up to the OP to listen to or not (since he asked anyways). You definitely gave your opinions over and over and over again and seems to have problem with people who don't agree with your views. Bottom line is whatever car the OP buys is of no consequence to me. If he chooses the Si, that's fantastic. I am sure it will be an informed decision. If he goes for the GTi, it is still his own informed decision that made him pick the GTi.

Either way OP, good luck with your purchase, I am sure you would have fun with either car you choose.


I see no problem with the man expressing his opinions as he does.

I like German cars too, but the reality is that lately, they're utter rubbish, priced about double what they should be.

[DISH]

GTI with a few options is $40k OTD. Base is $37k Thats a little steep.

Don't get me wrong. I love the new golf but there is no way in hell I would ever drop $40k on a car with subpar reliability, expensive parts and horrible customer service.

I would get the Si hands down. OTD is around $31.5k If you take good care of the car you should be able to get $15-$17k for it in 5 years. Thats only $2900 per year over 5 years to drive the car. It will actually cost you less to drive this car for 5 years and buy a new one after the 5 years then to drive it for 10 years.

[belfour]

Going to be a Rabbit GTI?? This summer? :lol:

http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/060412-1.htm

[manixc]

GTI with a few options is $40k OTD. Base is $37k Thats a little steep.

Don't get me wrong. I love the new golf but there is no way in hell I would ever drop $40k on a car with subpar reliability, expensive parts and horrible customer service.

I would get the Si hands down. OTD is around $31.5k If you take good care of the car you should be able to get $15-$17k for it in 5 years. Thats only $2900 per year over 5 years to drive the car. It will actually cost you less to drive this car for 5 years and buy a new one after the 5 years then to drive it for 10 years.

I thought the GTI's base is around $30k??

[actng]

just add him to your ignore list.
my life has been so much better since i don't accidentally read non sensical bullshiiit he posts about vw/audi.

he's prolly gotten rejected by VW credit or something and somehow ended up with a used VW that was a lemon and now spends the rest of his life dissing the entire brand over one poorly built car when it was his character that was an issue.

like i said, the idiots threadcrapping for no reason are fighting a pointless battle... the sales numbers will speak for themselves and until there are new reliability stats to prove their point, they're just full of crap.


Give it a rest man! You've been spewing the same diatribe on every post that is remotely related to VW/Audi.... We all get it. You don't like VW/Audi. You think they are design like crap and they fall apart. You believe that VW and Audi only hires incompetent engineers to design their cars. (since you seems to like to exaggerate). The OP just ask for our opinions in regards to a few factors. I gave my opinion, which is up to the OP to listen to or not (since he asked anyways). You definitely gave your opinions over and over and over again and seems to have problem with people who don't agree with your views. Bottom line is whatever car the OP buys is of no consequence to me. If he chooses the Si, that's fantastic. I am sure it will be an informed decision. If he goes for the GTi, it is still his own informed decision that made him pick the GTi.

Either way OP, good luck with your purchase, I am sure you would have fun with either car you choose.

[actng]

I thought the GTI's base is around $30k??

yes that is correct. you could walk out the door with the base car, it comes with a lot of options included already such as xenon lights, heated seats, etc.

[akito925]

anyone got the pic of the vw gti ??? the one I've seen has the audio a3's front bumper, front grill.. like the one that appeared in transporter 2

[Redsun_ty]

just add him to your ignore list.
my life has been so much better since i don't accidentally read non sensical bullshiiit he posts about vw/audi.

he's prolly gotten rejected by VW credit or something and somehow ended up with a used VW that was a lemon and now spends the rest of his life dissing the entire brand over one poorly built car when it was his character that was an issue.

like i said, the idiots threadcrapping for no reason are fighting a pointless battle... the sales numbers will speak for themselves and until there are new reliability stats to prove their point, they're just full of crap.

I think someone else started the thread crapping first !!! :)

[kckool]

anyone got the pic of the vw gti ??? the one I've seen has the audio a3's front bumper, front grill.. like the one that appeared in transporter 2

tons of pics and accessories at www.vwfeatures.com

[SoNgMaN]

just add him to your ignore list.
my life has been so much better since i don't accidentally read non sensical bullshiiit he posts about vw/audi.

he's prolly gotten rejected by VW credit or something and somehow ended up with a used VW that was a lemon and now spends the rest of his life dissing the entire brand over one poorly built car when it was his character that was an issue.

like i said, the idiots threadcrapping for no reason are fighting a pointless battle... the sales numbers will speak for themselves and until there are new reliability stats to prove their point, they're just full of crap.

i'm suprised his buddy isn't here son't remember his name just as big of a pompus jackass though. as for there being problems with the MkV i haven't seen anything on any of the sites and MkV has been out for 2 years in Euro.

Going to be a Rabbit GTI?? This summer? :lol:

http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/060412-1.htm

no just the golf is going to be called Rabbit.

[DISH]

I thought the GTI's base is around $30k??

Yea those are the out the door prices ( after frieght, pdi, fees, taxes etc..)

[actng]

If you can, wait for the summer when the Mazdaspeed 3 comes out, It's a hatch, 4-doors, has usable torque, excellent handling, and above average relaibility.


Mazdaspeed 3!!! This could be interesting!!!
I was definitely impressed with the performance (on paper) of the Mazdaspeed 6. Still haven't had the opportunity to run one yet even though one of my friends have one.

If the Mazdaspeed 6 is any indicator, the 3 should be out perform the SI... The disappointing 160lb-ft of torque on the SI just leaves more to be desired. ...perhaps a turbo bolt on!!

[DISH]

Mazdaspeed 3!!! This could be interesting!!!
I was definitely impressed with the performance (on paper) of the Mazdaspeed 6. Still haven't had the opportunity to run one yet even though one of my friends have one.

If the Mazdaspeed 6 is any indicator, the 3 should be out perform the SI... The disappointing 160lb-ft of torque on the SI just leaves more to be desired. ...perhaps a turbo bolt on!!

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/AutoshowArticles/articleId=109468Mazdaspeed 3 (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/AutoshowArticles/articleId=109468)

The Mazda6 is overated in terms of performance.

[sg1138]

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/AutoshowArticles/articleId=109468Mazdaspeed 3 (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/AutoshowArticles/articleId=109468)

The Mazda6 is overated in terms of performance.

250 hp for a front wheel drive car? puleez. the understeer is gonna be crazy on this car.

[actng]

LOL

still nothing beats the SRT4!!! hahahahahahahaha

[sg1138]

LOL

still nothing beats the SRT4!!! hahahahahahahaha


kid: "i'm from the streets man gggg g-unit!"

chapelle: "gggggg get yo ass in the car"

LOL

[maniacshopper]

Honda's are generally more reliable. True its the first year of a new model. It's a coupe, remember that. Longer wheelbase means less maneuverability at the slaloms comparing to a hatch with a shorter wheelbase (think of go-karts). The EK9 civic or EG6 civic in the past was a great hatches, but not the EP3 civic.

The VW has the advantage of low-end torque, but it's funner to rev it to statosphere. Your choice would depend on your driving style. Would you like to rev it? If not, then the VW GTI or golf diesel may do you best. diesel will get you more mpg, while providing significant low-end torque.

At the slalom, the Mini has slightly smaller tires than the GTI, 205 vs. 225/40/18. Not exactly a precise comparison. The DSG tranny in the GTI helps in the sprint.

Your preference of N/A or Forced Air Induction (FAI).
If you live in the city, the DSG will help immensely during rush hour traffic.

There's the Cobalt SS, Pontiac Solstice that I would throw in to suggest to consider. Sure its domestic, but the SS is pretty decent in terms of performance, lots of tuning potential. Haha coming from a Honda guy, I know.

In terms of looks, the Civic gets mixed reviews. You like it or hate it. I prefer hatches for practicality. I'd like to see the euro-civic hatch (civic type-r) which has pictures circulating all over the net. If you could wait, the CTR will probably come over here, as honda seems to be on the global platform strategy lately. Not a lot of variations between continents. For example, the Fit is a 4-5 year old model car in Japan, just continues to sell well overseas.

The choice is yours. Remember, whatever choice you make there will be gains and sacrifices. Just make a list of pros and cons, set a weighting for the answer, and do the self-quiz. Driving feel should way more than looks IMO, as you will be inside the car more than out, hopefully.