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UrbanPoet
Mar 12th, 2006, 01:24 PM
http://www.standardshift.com/videos.html

on video!
check it out if your interested in 5 spd.

FastFokker
Mar 12th, 2006, 01:30 PM
check it out if your interested in 5 spd.
Isn't that actually a 6spd in the video?

RBK
Mar 12th, 2006, 02:07 PM
Does it really matter if its 6/5 spd? Its just a video to show you.

mudmojo
Mar 12th, 2006, 02:14 PM
I think the test mule is some iteration of M5 because he makes mention of M5's in one of the videos. Not that it's really important but rather what class of car is and in this case, it's an FR (front engine, rear drive wheels). Drivetrain geometry is what defines a car as it determines a multitude of facets with regards to traction management


OK, this guy talks a good story and while he has a solid grasp of the underlying machinery but he's inadvertantly teaching some bad habits here.


1) He doesn't hold the steering wheel properly. Usually holds it with his left hand only with his fingers hooked underneath... sometimes close to 9, sometimes near 7. If a deer jumps onto the road or if oncoming traffic veers into his lane, there's going to be carnage.

2) In the videos that I saw, he doesn't return his right hand to the steering wheel. Not sure how much of this on account of "using hands while talking" thing though.

3) He doesn't cup the 2-3 upshift with his palm. If he gets hit by another car (yeah a bit of a stretch but might as well learn properly) or hits a massive bump just at the moment of his upshift, his fingers might slip off the knob (get yer mind outta the gutter lol).



Also I have a beef with this line "... it's far better for the tires to spin, than for the clutch to spin." in this video (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3526636127155256351)

While I agree in the FR realm, this is not a universal statement in the world of cars, try that in a weak drivetrained AWD car and there's going to be large bill coming up soon. Also if one doesn't have an LSD, one tire on a one driven axle car might wear out way sooner than the other with repeated launches if it's regularly done on the same peculiar crowned stretch of road.


For what it is, it's a good attempt to start someone off into their wonderful world of driving stick, however for the advanced techniques, please be careful out there. If you can at all afford to take a driving performance school, take it out there as you'll likely want to try heel toeing immediately and diving into a corner too hot on a public road whilst trying to heel toe can lock up your drive wheels if botched and consequently cause some temporary insanity ... or worse.

Oh yeah, be especially careful when it's wet out there. Have fun, be safe. :)

gamer123
Mar 12th, 2006, 03:03 PM
good site

furball
Mar 12th, 2006, 04:53 PM
Bah, that site was horrible... :mad: (I'm embarrassed to say I only 'know' the basics of driving standard through video games 'n such)

Maybe I'm expecting too much, but you see nothing of his feet, and no mention of the terms.... Maybe because I've also seen too many Japanese drift videos where they have various cams showing heel-toe, clutch pedal, speedo, and G-meters :p

Being an autotragic guy, I never got the definitions for stuff like: letting out the clutch, dropping the clutch, etc. I've read enough threads to know you don't have to do double clutching like they mentioned in Fast & Furious :D

I remember in arcade games I'd smash the clutch down all the way, shift into gear, then gas. i.e. everything was 1-2-3, always 1 thing moving at a time... Now I 'know' to press down the clutch while accelerating, etc... But still haven't had the chance behind a real wheel...

Twinbros
Mar 12th, 2006, 09:15 PM
Great find and very helpful.

Thanks

TrevorK
Mar 13th, 2006, 09:38 AM
Also I have a beef with this line "... it's far better for the tires to spin, than for the clutch to spin." in this video (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3526636127155256351)


The shock to the driveline from the tires grabbing is what causes the driveline to break.

Spinning your tires will not cause it to break - because the instant shock is not there.

Case in point - slicks at the track. Talk to many RWD owners of whether slicks or normal tires are better for the drivetrain, and they'll all tell you normal tires.

mudmojo
Mar 13th, 2006, 10:52 AM
Are you agreeing or disagreeing?

One cannot easily spin all 4 tires on a proper AWD car (ie. equipped with LSD's front and rear), from a dig on tarmac, without considerably shock loading the driveline regardless of power. 1 axle driven cars ("two" wheel drive cars) have a much easier time of this.

robattoronto
Mar 13th, 2006, 11:43 AM
If you're in central to east end Toronto, I'll teach you how to drive one for free.

I've been driving stick for 14 years. Since I was 16. Conditions are: your own car, 1 hr lesson and you gotta confirm a time with me.

Its not that hard and I'd love to share the knowledge.

trueno92
Mar 13th, 2006, 12:29 PM
OK, this guy talks a good story and while he has a solid grasp of the underlying machinery but he's inadvertantly teaching some bad habits here.

completely agreed. driving is far more than just getting the stick in the right gear and lifting your foot, this video is blasphemy.

FastFokker
Mar 13th, 2006, 12:32 PM
completely agreed. driving is far more than just getting the stick in the right gear and lifting your foot, this video is blasphemy.Well we got what we paid for in this case.

TrevorK
Mar 13th, 2006, 02:28 PM
Are you agreeing or disagreeing?

One cannot easily spin all 4 tires on a proper AWD car (ie. equipped with LSD's front and rear), from a dig on tarmac, without considerably shock loading the driveline regardless of power. 1 axle driven cars ("two" wheel drive cars) have a much easier time of this.

Disagreeing - tirespin saves the driveline.

jimbomedia
Mar 13th, 2006, 03:46 PM
nice post!

thanks