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belgiangenius

Mar 9th, 2006, 03:15 PM

Everything is wrong with it - fix one problem - 5 more appear. Can't keep it out of the dealership

If it's *that bad* maybe you could sue Mazda and argue a breach of implied conditions or warranties, under either the Sale of Goods Act or the Consumer Protection Act.

Essentially, the argument is that, under the law, goods sold must be fit for the purpose for which they are sold. If it's always in the dealership, it's really not fit for the purpose for which you bought it - to provide you with transportation, on a reasonably reliable basis.

This is why when a retailer sells you a broken product and refuses to refund or exchange, it is violating the law, regardless of any store policy.

lexus

Mar 9th, 2006, 03:15 PM

> Did you purchase this Mazda3 from a Mazda dearlership or a New car dealership (like GM, Ford, ...) or those used car wholesaler or private sale?
> What was the condition when you purchased the car? It is a 2 years old and what is the milage on it?
> What the asking/sold price under average Mazda3 (same year/milage)?
> How many month(s) after you pickup the car did those problems come out?
> And what are those problem? Are they normal wear repair or huge job like A/C, transmission, engine...? They ususally cover under Mazda warranty, right?

If you purchased this 2 yr old M3 from Mazda dealership with reasonable market value and cert from them. And all these non normal wear problems showed up with 1 month (normal driving). Then bring it back to Mazda dealership and talked to them. They do not want to ruin their reputation because of a cheap used car.

Everything is wrong with it - fix one problem - 5 more appear. Can't keep it out of the dealership

guest839

Mar 9th, 2006, 03:18 PM

> Did you purchase this Mazda3 from a Mazda dearlership or a New car dealership (like GM, Ford, ...) or those used car wholesaler or private sale?
> What was the condition when you purchased the car? It is a 2 years old and what is the milage on it?
> What the asking/sold price under average Mazda3 (same year/milage)?
> How many month(s) after you pickup the car did those problems come out?
> And what are those problem? Are they normal wear repair or huge job like A/C, transmission, engine...? They ususally cover under Mazda warranty, right?

If you purchased this 2 yr old M3 from Mazda dealership with reasonable market value and cert from them. And all these non normal wear problems showed up with 1 month (normal driving). Then bring it back to Mazda dealership and talked to them. They do not want to ruin their reputation because of a cheap used car.

I purchased this car brand new from Mazda. The problems are big and did start right away.

belgiangenius

Mar 9th, 2006, 03:20 PM

I purchased this car brand new from Mazda. The problems are big and did start right away.

Have you asked them to replace it?

guest839

Mar 9th, 2006, 03:29 PM

Have you asked them to replace it?

Not I haven't - I wasn't sure that it was an option however, I'll be bringing it shortly for my recent set of problems and I'll be making a request then.

pandaharo

Mar 9th, 2006, 03:42 PM

Try taking it to another dealership, they might have trolls working on your car like the ones at Mercedes Benz on Boundry Road who keeps breaking my already crappy lemon car. Even after over a year since getting rid of that car I still flame up everytime. :evil:

Narci

Mar 9th, 2006, 03:42 PM

I still don't see the problem....unless you post what's exactly wrong with it.

pandaharo

Mar 9th, 2006, 03:43 PM

http://www.camvap.ca/eng/consumers_guide.htm

I almost used this service, but opt to just get rid of my POS to save future headaches. You should check them out.

sleepyguy

Mar 9th, 2006, 04:41 PM

Wow... that sucks. I've had 1 minor problem with my Mazda3 Sport. 2 years owning now.

sunnybono

Mar 9th, 2006, 04:44 PM

DragonZealot

Mar 9th, 2006, 05:30 PM

I only gas up at sunoco (caa member) but now I will try other stations to see if there is any difference!!!!

sk :|

Sunoco sells ethanol blended gas which has lower energy content --> poorer gas mileage. But still 300km /45L this is like 15L /100km, worse than most minivan.

wtom

Mar 9th, 2006, 06:45 PM

Read about sueb's problems here (http://www.torontomazda3.com/forum/read.php?TID=4845), here (http://www.torontomazda3.com/forum/read.php?TID=5004), here (http://www.torontomazda3.com/forum/read.php?TID=5262), and here (http://www.torontomazda3.com/forum/read.php?TID=5325)

mau108

Mar 9th, 2006, 07:10 PM

^ LOL

Mazda = POS FORD!

I dont care what anyone says, MAzda is a disgrace to japanese auto makers.

Ojam

Mar 9th, 2006, 07:53 PM

If it's *that bad* maybe you could sue Mazda and argue a breach of implied conditions or warranties, under either the Sale of Goods Act or the Consumer Protection Act.

Essentially, the argument is that, under the law, goods sold must be fit for the purpose for which they are sold. If it's always in the dealership, it's really not fit for the purpose for which you bought it - to provide you with transportation, on a reasonably reliable basis.

This is why when a retailer sells you a broken product and refuses to refund or exchange, it is violating the law, regardless of any store policy.

There is actually precedence for this, I remember reading the case in my case book, sadly however I've since sold the text book so I don't remember the details. In the end I do know the car owner did win, but I think it had more to do with the amount of time the car spent in repair rather then the car being in for repair, that it was in so often that he really wasn't getting anything for his money.

Slippery_Pete

Mar 9th, 2006, 08:56 PM

^ LOL

Mazda = POS FORD!

I dont care what anyone says, MAzda is a disgrace to japanese auto makers.

I knew this post was coming. When Mazda is praised, its because its Japanese, when its a POS its because its Ford. Hahaha. Make up your minds...

blue_xii

Mar 9th, 2006, 10:05 PM

Sorry to hear about your problems. If you want to switch repair shops check out the toronto mazda 3 forum. There are techs on that forum so you can post there and you'll be able to get a lot better feedback from people that work at the dealerships. Also, it will help you figure out which dealership will likely give you better service.

Toronto mazda 3 (http://torontomazda3.com/forum/)

mau108

Mar 9th, 2006, 10:22 PM

I knew this post was coming. When Mazda is praised, its because its Japanese, when its a POS its because its Ford. Hahaha. Make up your minds...

I've never ever praised mazda. The only time I went to a mazda dealer was to inquire about an Acura RSX they were selling. lol

And they were ready to screw me over with the RSX aswell! BS'ers mazda dealers and cars go hand in hand, a holes!

wtom

Mar 10th, 2006, 09:22 AM

It's ignorant and immature people like mau108 (who love to stereotype) that cause grief in this world.

mau108 - Grow Up.

and here he is again with his mad skillz;

Quote from "what u drivin'? (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138661&page=14&pp=15)" thread;

LOL DUUUUDE, what have you been smoking before reading :P

Cheverolet will never get a better rating then Honda for many years comming :P

http://www.torontomazda3.com/forum/images/openbb/smiley/3.gif

sleepyguy

Mar 10th, 2006, 09:31 AM

you are tip toeing on a fine line there buddy.

I've never ever praised mazda. The only time I went to a mazda dealer was to inquire about an Acura RSX they were selling. lol

And they were ready to screw me over with the RSX aswell! BS'ers mazda dealers and cars go hand in hand, a holes!

belgiangenius

Mar 10th, 2006, 09:35 AM

I too have an intermittent problem with stalling (although it hasn't happended lately). One more thing is the gas mileage is horrible!!!!!!!!! lately I'm only getting approx 300kms on 45 litres of gas which sucks big time. I know that I have snowtires on the car, but the mileage shouldn't be that bad!!!!! I only gas up at sunoco (caa member) but now I will try other stations to see if there is any difference!!!!

sk :|

Wow, that sucks hard. I get between 500 and 600 km on a 45l tank with my 96 Civic, depending on the driving I do.

belgiangenius

Mar 10th, 2006, 09:42 AM

There is actually precedence for this, I remember reading the case in my case book, sadly however I've since sold the text book so I don't remember the details. In the end I do know the car owner did win, but I think it had more to do with the amount of time the car spent in repair rather then the car being in for repair, that it was in so often that he really wasn't getting anything for his money.

Sounds about right...I just sort of pulled this idea out of the air - didn't do any case law research. :)

Audiogenic

Mar 10th, 2006, 10:02 AM

Ever since Ford got involved with Mazda, it's been a free fall without no end in sight. Several industry reports have them near the bottom of reliability with Kia and Suzuki now. OUCH.

Slippery_Pete

Mar 10th, 2006, 11:45 AM

I've never ever praised mazda. The only time I went to a mazda dealer was to inquire about an Acura RSX they were selling. lol

And they were ready to screw me over with the RSX aswell! BS'ers mazda dealers and cars go hand in hand, a holes!

No I didn't mean you in particular. Actually most stealerships are a bunch of aholes, but yes I have heard bad things about mazda stealers though.

DVDManiac

Mar 10th, 2006, 12:43 PM

I recently had to deal with a few salesman/managers, the only one that pissed me off was the used car sales manager for one of the Mazda dealership...didn't know his product, and when questioned on it, wouldn't admit it. The laziest person I had to deal with too, thought it was an effort to get keys for a test drive. Honda people and other Mazda dealerships were great, if they didn't know, they found out and not bs'd.

rluc

Mar 10th, 2006, 01:22 PM

^ LOL

Mazda = POS FORD!

I dont care what anyone says, MAzda is a disgrace to japanese auto makers.

You're an idiot.

But thats okay, you can't teach a stupid dog new tricks unfortunately.

EDIT: I saw your ricer Prelude in the other thread. Are you in highschool or something? What's bigger? The diameter of your exhaust or your penis?

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=honda+lemons

Look here: I guess all Hondas of POS with your logic.

Narci

Mar 10th, 2006, 02:37 PM

belgiangenius

Mar 10th, 2006, 03:34 PM

I had a problem with Madza when i owned a MX-3 back in the days.

Turns out parts of my car (silver color) was actually originally red because I had scratches I needed repainted and the shop (i use to work at) discovered the red underneath the silver.

I brought the car back and the manager said they are allowed to replace a certain percentage of a new car with old parts and still consider it brand new.

I ended up leaving with that remark. I'm not sure if it's true or he's just making it up.

I believe car dealers can repair new cars damaged in transit and still sell them as new, but I also think they are required to disclose this to the purchaser.

Regardless, you were dealing with a dishonest dealer. Sadly, that's most of them.

mau108

Mar 10th, 2006, 07:29 PM

You're an idiot.

But thats okay, you can't teach a stupid dog new tricks unfortunately.

EDIT: I saw your ricer Prelude in the other thread. Are you in highschool or something? What's bigger? The diameter of your exhaust or your penis?

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=honda+lemons

Look here: I guess all Hondas of POS with your logic.

wtf are you getting at? Honda builds their own engines and transmissions, they are one of the best for that!.

Sure the mazda has a **** load of extra features that may appeal to you and the youth of this time, but for me, i want a car thats not gonna stop in the middle of the road and for that I give honda and toyota the praise.

I frequent 3-4 different forums, and you know what, each forum I have been to there has been atleast 1 bad experience with the Mazda 3. And their new cars, compared to honda civics, accords and preludes, they've been out for a while, and still nothing major of a problem with them.

Mazda doesnt have lemons, they just have crappy cars in all ;)

ieatkittens

Mar 10th, 2006, 08:06 PM

Mazda doesnt have lemons, they just have crappy cars in all ;)

Get over yourself. I see just as many problems with Honda's as with Mazdas. I drive a Mazda 3 Sport and it's awesome. The dealership I go to (Dave Wood Mazda in Newmarket, ON) is fantastic and they're always quick to help with anything they can help with.

Now take that crap, and go post it in off topic where the rest of the trolls hang out. This person is looking for advice and not for your backwards fanboy logic.

OP: Talk to Mazda corporate, and supply them with a record of all the service done to the car. Hopefully they'll be able to help you out.

PPS: Anyone that is smack talking the 3 needs to remember that it's also made in JAPAN, in a MAZDA PLANT. Not by ford in NA. Not that I'm smack talking cars made in NA, just saying that it's Japanese built.

Hula

Mar 10th, 2006, 09:32 PM

I've never ever praised mazda. The only time I went to a mazda dealer was to inquire about an Acura RSX they were selling. lol

And they were ready to screw me over with the RSX aswell! BS'ers mazda dealers and cars go hand in hand, a holes!

As a long time Mazda owner, I'll put my faith in their product versus your "likely uneducated" BS response to a fine product. Your generalizing does little to help the person with the problem, or to gain respect from other auto enthusiasts in the forum. Do you have any specific Mazda historical experience to make you feel the way you do, or are you just trying to look cool to those others that may not like Mazda? Your comment kind of makes you look like a BS'er....so guess you and Mazda may be more alike than you realize!

mau108

Mar 10th, 2006, 10:21 PM

As a long time Mazda owner, I'll put my faith in their product versus your "likely uneducated" BS response to a fine product. Your generalizing does little to help the person with the problem, or to gain respect from other auto enthusiasts in the forum. Do you have any specific Mazda historical experience to make you feel the way you do, or are you just trying to look cool to those others that may not like Mazda? Your comment kind of makes you look like a BS'er....so guess you and Mazda may be more alike than you realize!

call me what you want, this is the internet, your **** talking has no effect on me, and im sure my opinions stated here will not affect many.

Its the internet, a free network to post anything you feel is relevent, and I feel my opinions on Mashitzda is still the same.

rluc

Mar 11th, 2006, 12:02 AM

call me what you want, this is the internet, your **** talking has no effect on me, and im sure my opinions stated here will not affect many.

Its the internet, a free network to post anything you feel is relevent, and I feel my opinions on Mashitzda is still the same.

Thats the sad part...and thats where little uneducated high school ricer trolls with that nasty prelude, like you get to talk crap about anyone or any car company without any facts to back it up.

If it wasn't for the internet, this world would be a sad sad place for you, wouldn't it?

mau108

Mar 11th, 2006, 12:59 AM

Thats the sad part...and thats where little uneducated high school ricer trolls with that nasty prelude, like you get to talk crap about anyone or any car company without any facts to back it up.

If it wasn't for the internet, this world would be a sad sad place for you, wouldn't it?

The facts are there...take it how you want it. My prelude is riced up? the only thing riced about it is the stupid stickers on the car that the previous owner put on and will be going off this spring. Simple lip, engine is almost stock (SRI, Greddy oil catch).

This is rice -->

http://www.expectnothing.com/CAR/PICS/gotrice01.jpg and
http://linuxart.com/dir/stuff/photos/misc/rice.jpg

UNDERSTAND the term your using before using it in a sentence.

Hybrid88

Mar 11th, 2006, 01:36 AM

...

mau108

Mar 11th, 2006, 02:12 AM

mau108 got dissed?!?! Oh no!!! I wonder if mau108 is old enough to drive?

:confused: ya im 8, and i drive a prelude. The ministry of transportation gave me my g, so take it up with them.

peace

aquariaguy

Mar 11th, 2006, 02:16 AM

:confused: ya im 8, and i drive a prelude. The ministry of transportation gave me my g, so take it up with them.

peace

Ignore this immature troll.

mau108

Mar 11th, 2006, 02:22 AM

wtf is wrong with everyone here? I state my opinion, and you all act like a bunch of girls.

This is my last post for this thread, i doubt the OP's comming back so there is no point in this BS.

later.

Fuman

Mar 11th, 2006, 11:55 AM

wtf are you getting at? Honda builds their own engines and transmissions, they are one of the best for that!.

right....
since you drive a prelude, here a few threads on prelude transmission problems
slipping trannys:
http://www.hondaprelude.to/forums/showthread.php?t=61931&highlight=transmission+problems
http://www.hondaprelude.to/forums/showthread.php?t=58069&highlight=transmission+problems
http://www.hondaprelude.to/forums/showthread.php?t=58141&highlight=transmission+problems
mostly automatic transmissions.
All cars have their issues.

ppl tht I know that I drive ludes are pretty mature and ppl like you give them a bad name.

mazda/ford relationship details (with reguard to the mazda 3) can be found here,
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showpost.php?p=817218&postcount=1

Alvito

Mar 11th, 2006, 12:13 PM

I too have an intermittent problem with stalling (although it hasn't happended lately). One more thing is the gas mileage is horrible!!!!!!!!! lately I'm only getting approx 300kms on 45 litres of gas which sucks big time. I know that I have snowtires on the car, but the mileage shouldn't be that bad!!!!! I only gas up at sunoco (caa member) but now I will try other stations to see if there is any difference!!!!

sk :|

Your milage goes down during the winter because of the colder air. My cavalier does the same thing. 450km in the spring/summer/fall 300km in the winter.

blue_xii

Mar 11th, 2006, 07:34 PM

Your milage goes down during the winter because of the colder air. My cavalier does the same thing. 450km in the spring/summer/fall 300km in the winter.

I don't know if that's normal. A 33% reduction due to cold temperature doesn't seem to make sense to me. I get between 11km to 12 km per litre all year long. If anything, my fuel economy gets worse in the summer because of A/C but not too noticeably. The way I drive is the only thing that noticeably changes my fuel economy.

Terry K

Dec 30th, 2008, 04:37 PM

I too have an intermittent problem with stalling (although it hasn't happended lately). One more thing is the gas mileage is horrible!!!!!!!!! lately I'm only getting approx 300kms on 45 litres of gas which sucks big time. I know that I have snowtires on the car, but the mileage shouldn't be that bad!!!!! I only gas up at sunoco (caa member) but now I will try other stations to see if there is any difference!!!!

sk :|

My car is not stalling it just choses not to always start have had it towed 2x towing service took forever tried repeatedly to start by the time it was at the dealer it started again, service is worst I have ever experienced.2006 61k under extended warranty

crunked

Dec 30th, 2008, 10:33 PM

geez....why does every thread in this place turn into arguing and bs??? grrr

KawaiiTentacleBeast

Dec 30th, 2008, 10:40 PM

He should have started the thread (asking for advice) without naming the model and posted in that other "All Mazdas are garbage" thread we have instead. :lol:

Pete_Coach

Dec 31st, 2008, 07:23 AM

geez....why does every thread in this place turn into arguing and bs??? grrr

He should have started the thread (asking for advice) without naming the model and posted in that other "All Mazdas are garbage" thread we have instead. :lol:

Or started a new topic entirely instead of using this one, because this is a resurrected thread from 2 years ago?