2008 ACURA RSX: Turbocharged 2.3L 280 HP AWD

[TenzoR]

From CLUBRSX
http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=363659

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/QFCK2001/RSX/Scan10006.jpg

for ppl who can't read the article basically says

2.3L Inline 4
Turbocharged
280HP
40kgm (torque)
AWD or possible SH-AWD

[TenzoR]

I do not know any "truth" behind this, could be a rumor, could be a speculation, but interesting nonetheless

[IceMan77]

I'll believe it when i see it...

[Kakashi]

Reading that thread reminded me of why I stopped reading Honda forums ...

[MameXP]

Yup the RDX will be coming out with powerhouse. Its the destoke k24 will turbocharge.

Honda has been making FI cars in other parts of the world but this will be the first coming to NA.

[galanz]

Whoa, that thing would be a beast.

[TheRide]

If this comes out...I can't imagine the insurance nightmares.

Then again I doubt it will.

[B0000rt]

2.3L Inline 4
Turbocharged
280HP
40kgm (torque)

40x7.2 = 288ft-lbs of torque.

wow, a honda engine with more torque than horsepower :cheesygri :cheesygri :lol: :lol:

[galanz]

If this comes out...I can't imagine the insurance nightmares.

I wouldn't think it would be much different than the WRX STi other than Acura's higher theft rate.

[gilboman]

that's dumb, the RSX platform needs to be changed anyways, no point to bring this out. doubt RSX will get AWD before the other Acura cars (except RL)

this is nothing more than a pipedream. doubt the RSX will even be continued with civic taking its spot.

[dablackgoku1234]

they should put that engine in the rumored TSX coupe

[MameXP]

Its the RDX, mean to compete with the Rav4 and small SUV.

The OP is dumb enough to put RSX in the title. Its NOT RSX for the last time.

Gee.....

Go to Acura website and see, its expected to coming out in 2007 (So more than a year from now)

[MameXP]

For ppl who are so f.... lazy and like to hearsay:

http://www.acura.ca/AcuraEng/Previews/RDX/InfoNav.htm

[MameXP]

ALSO , this is a GREAT MISINFORMATION!!!!

I dont know if the OP is chinese or just posting some rumors from www.ricedoutcivics.com

Here is the specs:
2.3-LITRE 4-cylinder i-VTEC turbocharged engine generates 240 horsepower and 260 lb.-ft. of torque

Acura-exclusive i-VTEC Turbo technology uses a unique variable-flow turbocharger
· 5-speed automatic transmission with sequential Sportshift™ and steering wheel-mounted paddle shifters
· Super Handling All-Wheel Drive™ (SH-AWD™)
· Fully independent front and rear suspension


BTW, its still a destroke K24 from TSX, not a complete new engine. K series has gone a long way. The best I4 engine so far!!!!

[rfdrfd]

Ya, the article clearly says RDX.

[phillbert]

variable flow turbo's are the shizzat. although i cant vouch for their reliability.
ALSO , this is a GREAT MISINFORMATION!!!!

I dont know if the OP is chinese or just posting some rumors from www.ricedoutcivics.com

Here is the specs:
2.3-LITRE 4-cylinder i-VTEC turbocharged engine generates 240 horsepower and 260 lb.-ft. of torque

Acura-exclusive i-VTEC Turbo technology uses a unique variable-flow turbocharger
· 5-speed automatic transmission with sequential Sportshift™ and steering wheel-mounted paddle shifters
· Super Handling All-Wheel Drive™ (SH-AWD™)
· Fully independent front and rear suspension


BTW, its still a destroke K24 from TSX, not a complete new engine. K series has gone a long way. The best I4 engine so far!!!!

[mudmojo]

Anyone know how the Honda Corporation's iteration of the variable-flow turbocharger is "unique" in the eyes of whoever wrote that?

Must be unique in design right becuase it isn't the first NADM prod. implemenation of it. Maybe first JDM prod. implementation of it? Anyone know?



Also this SH-AWD, is this the awesome "Vectoring" AWD technology in production now?

[MameXP]

Remember when Honda build their engines, they always consider emission and efficiency as top priority.

Also Honda has been making FI cars in other parts of the world. Not their first time here. However, i believe the RDX is the first Honda FI vehicle in North America


Lots of haters use torque to flame Honda engines because their ignorance only allow that. There is more than torque for acceleration. And certainly Honda focus on other factors. Yet they can still build higher torque per liter than most of other automaker

[gilboman]

Remember when Honda build their engines, they always consider emission and efficiency as top priority.

Also Honda has been making FI cars in other parts of the world. Not their first time here. However, i believe the RDX is the first Honda FI vehicle in North America


Lots of haters use torque to flame Honda engines because their ignorance only allow that. There is more than torque for acceleration. And certainly Honda focus on other factors. Yet they can still build higher torque per liter than most of other automaker

in city traffic, torque is what matters when you hit the gas pedal at the lights or overtaking on highway unless you downshift a few gears.

honda engines traditionally lacked torque because they weren't designed for north america but that has changed somewhat over past few years. only bad thign was once they made motor with a little torque, their trannies died b/c it couldnt handle it :lol:

[MameXP]

Must be unique in design right becuase it isn't the first NADM prod. implemenation of it. Maybe first JDM prod. implementation of it? Anyone know?

Also this SH-AWD, is this the awesome "Vectoring" AWD technology in production now?

I believe its unique because its considered with i-Vtec while tunning. Its the first well-tuned out of factory for vehicle with variable valve timing.

The SH-AWD just stands for super handling AWD system. Its a marketing term but the technology is similar to the new Quattro from Audi and Symetric AWD from Subaru. Its invidual wheel power. I dont think you can control that but the computer unit. In conering, the computer will shift the power to each wheel to compensate the grips that each wheel has.

With this technology, cornering has never been more forgiving and FAST corner exiting

[mudmojo]

Lots of haters use torque to flame Honda engines because their ignorance only allow that. There is more than torque for acceleration. And certainly Honda focus on other factors. Yet they can still build higher torque per liter than most of other automaker


If this Honda Supercar (http://www.supercars.net/cars/3148.html) is any indication, get your numbers ready.

Someone's going to call you out on that. ;)

[MameXP]

honda engines traditionally lacked torque because they weren't designed for north america but that has changed somewhat over past few years. only bad thign was once they made motor with a little torque, their trannies died b/c it couldnt handle it :lol:

Do you have proof of that? Or are you prefering to the flaw in tranny design of the 97-02 Honda models? (Honda tranny is cross compatible thro all the models) If so then you're wrong. The failure was not due to torque. Its the oiling system is not adequate.

So give me your side of "opinion". You seem to jump on conclusion too early or the hear-say wagon my friend

[MameXP]

If this Honda Supercar (http://www.supercars.net/cars/3148.html) is any indication, get your numbers ready.

Someone's going to call you out on that. ;)


What is your sacar. ?

[mudmojo]

I believe its unique because its considered with i-Vtec while tunning. Its the first well-tuned out of factory for vehicle with variable valve timing.

The SH-AWD just stands for super handling AWD system. Its a marketing term but the technology is similar to the new Quattro from Audi and Symetric AWD from Subaru. Its invidual wheel power. I dont think you can control that but the computer unit. In conering, the computer will shift the power to each wheel to compensate the grips that each wheel has.

With this technology, cornering has never been more forgiving and FAST corner exiting


Variable valve timing on a turbo motor has been done by at least the boxer engine manufacturers for the last few years so that's nothing new.

Honda's Vectoring AWD technology is brand new and is very highly regarded although it hasn't made its way onto any production vehicles. Guess it's not this SH-AWD then.

[MameXP]

Oh then its more like a marketing term. But you gotta admit Honda do have innovative technology in designing/building car. For now its unique among the I and V engines ;)

[MameXP]

If this Honda Supercar (http://www.supercars.net/cars/3148.html) is any indication, get your numbers ready.

Someone's going to call you out on that. ;)


back to this quote, I dont know why Honda haters/Domestic lover (not you mudmojo) always bring up NSX in their arguments for the past 3 yrs? LOL

Kinda wonder why wouldnt they laugh at NSX 10 yrs ago? LOL lets see "you live in the torqueless world" yet NSX pretty much dominated every car in its price range and even the FerrariF355 back then. In 1992 NSX-R was released with racing spirits in it. Only 575 ever built i think

LOL... talk about haters.

Anway, i believe NSX discontinued will open up another great supercar from Honda.

[MameXP]

in city traffic, torque is what matters when you hit the gas pedal at the lights or overtaking on highway unless you downshift a few gears.



Forgot about this..... ever hear of gearing??? lol
Just so you know, Honda top end is no joke. If you think higher torque is everything then i guess you never take tight corners with mustang

Beside most of Honda vehicles are FWD, try to produce more torque will earn you what? kissing the rail road?

[sumrandomguy]

bring back the ITR!!
booo for RSX :mad:

[gilboman]

Do you have proof of that? Or are you prefering to the flaw in tranny design of the 97-02 Honda models? (Honda tranny is cross compatible thro all the models) If so then you're wrong. The failure was not due to torque. Its the oiling system is not adequate.

So give me your side of "opinion". You seem to jump on conclusion too early or the hear-say wagon my friend

not adequate to handle the torque ;)

they needed a tranny to handle decent amount of torque from V6, they designed one, but it was inadequate. thus, their tranny for bigger torque engines was inadequate.

[gilboman]

Forgot about this..... ever hear of gearing??? lol
Just so you know, Honda top end is no joke. If you think higher torque is everything then i guess you never take tight corners with mustang

Beside most of Honda vehicles are FWD, try to produce more torque will earn you what? kissing the rail road?

yes i've heard of gearing, it can compensate for lack of torque with shorter gearing in the lower gears but it's not like honda's are ten speeds while other cars with torque are 5 speeds, so its a moot point.

i didn't say it was everything, you know not most people launch at 6k at a light so they can get the top end in city driving. if you dont think torque is what's important in city driving then i guess you don't live in the city or never accelerated from a stop without dropping the clutch.

for your honda FWD argument so are you saying the prev gen civic's, tegs etc.. couldnt handle more than 120lb of torque? or that honda over past few years have found magical way of getting rid of torque steer? just admit that honda's (especially the 4bangers, had/have no torque) but good top end.


basically you are trying to say what? 120lb of torque is the limit? or that you launch your car at 6k+ rpm's at lights/stop signs so torque doesnt matter? every time you change lanes you drop 2-3 gears? :lol:

i like honda's 4bangers, good engines with very good top end but i don't go delude myself into thinking they have torque or that torque is not what's most important in city driving. i mean if it's like you said, then why did honda give S2K more torque and not more hp? and how they have tried to add more torque in their 4bangers (lesser extent to 6cylinders) but not more hp?

honda knew their cars had no torque and have slowly addressed the issue, you trying to dismiss the issue honda acknowledges and is working on is no different than ostrich sticking its head in the sand so it doesnt see a problem. ignoring/dismissing problems don't solve them, accepting them and working on them does.

[nx2k]

Nissan has also had variable valve time with electronic lift control with turbo since 2000 in their SR20VET, just not in north america
this SUV's spec is almost identical to the specs of the japanese nissan X-trail GT, so i dunno what kinda innovation it is on Honda's part, it's more like they are 7 years behind but i will give it that they are doing a really good job in the north american market

[B0000rt]

Forgot about this..... ever hear of gearing??? lol
Just so you know, Honda top end is no joke. If you think higher torque is everything then i guess you never take tight corners with mustang

Beside most of Honda vehicles are FWD, try to produce more torque will earn you what? kissing the rail road?
So you're telling me Honda engineers only have top end performance in mind when designing engines?

Lol, look at the later model S2000s. What are the engine differences HP wise? Nil comes 500rpms less, but torque on the otherhand was increased by 10% or so.

But it's ok, once that Hybrid IMA stuff seems into all Honda engines, knowing electric motors generate insane amounts of torque from 0rpm those problems will be solved :P :P :P

[SkiD]

Of course Honda's not the only one that can make a powerful little engine

2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP
2.0-liter Ecotec engine
260 horsepower and 260 pound-feet of torque
direct injection, dual-cam phasing and a twin-scroll turbocharger

[TenzoR]

wow talk about all these ppl bashing around

the article stated the new generation of Integra/RSX could be based on the new RDX (engine, platform, drivetrain)

I don't even see why RDX was brought up in the first place

are you guys even reading the whole article or just picking out the English words?

and there is no reason to call me dumb or anything ..which is rather rude

[shabby]

If honda is putting a 2.3 turbo into an rsx, what will they put into the s2000?
The s2000 will get smoked with its torqueless engine, it handles great but thats aboot it.

[Skidz]

the article stated the new generation of Integra/RSX could be based on the new RDX (engine, platform, drivetrain)

I don't even see why RDX was brought up in the first place

QFT heres a pic from clubrsx of the car in the ad ,clearly a DC5 http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/5047/photo081yj.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[TenzoR]

QFT heres a pic from clubrsx of the car in the ad ,clearly a DC5 http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/5047/photo081yj.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

good job, read the article not look at picture

[Final Lazy]

This is a funny thread :p I think I will get out of my usual lurking and post my 2 cents.

If Honda is planning to put 2.3T into their next generation RSX, Honda will definately be pushing their Integra/RSX line to a higher price market. I personally think that it is a smart move because there is already some overlap between the Civic Si and the Integra/RSX line. I predict that Honda will be beefing up their Civic Si into the current Integra/RSX, and then moving up the RSX to a equivent to that of a WRX (non-STi). I am not sure if it is going to be turbo'ed or 4WD though, lets just have some fun and say the new RSX 'might' carry the RDX platform, although I am taking that article by the OP with a grain of salt. Chinese auto writers are famous of either being too consevative and kind with their opinions, or blowup every news and rumours as if it's already true.

In regards to shabby's post, this 'new' RSX will not be comparable to the S2000. First of all, the S2000 is RWD,. while this mystical RSX is AWD. Secondly, the S2000 is a very well balanced vehicle, it has a 50/50 weight distribution. In fact, the S2000 is actually a mid-engine car, because the engine is actually placed behind the front wheel axles. I doubt Honda will make this new RSX as well balanced as the current S2000. Also the RDX engine is turbo charged, the engine will be creating power at much lower bandth than the high reving S2000. Thus explains the higher torque as well.

Believe me, although this mystical RSX will carry more torque, the S2000 should still be quite competitive on the circuit.

[Skidz]

I'm agreeing with you QFT = Quoted for Truth p.s I cant read Chinese but I do own an RSX :D

[TenzoR]

I'm agreeing with you QFT = Quoted for Truth p.s I cant read Chinese but I do own an RSX :D

I thought you meant Quit F***ing Trolling

[MameXP]

Of course Honda's not the only one that can make a powerful little engine

2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP
2.0-liter Ecotec engine
260 horsepower and 260 pound-feet of torque
direct injection, dual-cam phasing and a twin-scroll turbocharger


Sorry to burst your bubble but that car is highly overated. Its heavy and acceleration is a joke. A RSX-S can walk it

[MameXP]

yes i've heard of gearing, it can compensate for lack of torque with shorter gearing in the lower gears but it's not like honda's are ten speeds while other cars with torque are 5 speeds, so its a moot point.


LOL your point is very vague. Please use less torque while you're typing or you're off the trail.



i didn't say it was everything, you know not most people launch at 6k at a light so they can get the top end in city driving. if you dont think torque is what's important in city driving then i guess you don't live in the city or never accelerated from a stop without dropping the clutch.



So you're saying with a crap load of torque, you dont have to drop the clutch when accelerate from a stop? :lol: lol But i do agree with you if you want to make a quick pass from a roll, i will downshift. I dont see why not? Ever ride a motorbike? I have since i was 15. So i like high rev and downshifting ;)



for your honda FWD argument so are you saying the prev gen civic's, tegs etc.. couldnt handle more than 120lb of torque? or that honda over past few years have found magical way of getting rid of torque steer? just admit that honda's (especially the 4bangers, had/have no torque) but good top end.


Nope you got it wrong. Honda didnt make higher torque doesnt mean they couldnt. The market is there, they fit it. If its not feasible to them then its not gonna be done. Simple as that. Again this is all about profits.



honda knew their cars had no torque and have slowly addressed the issue, you trying to dismiss the issue honda acknowledges and is working on is no different than ostrich sticking its head in the sand so it doesnt see a problem. ignoring/dismissing problems don't solve them, accepting them and working on them does.


Again not just look at Honda, but the whole auto industry. The powerhouse is moving up due to higher technology thus building engine more effieciently. There is new development that can improve power without compensating emission, fuel consumption.

If you want to look back laughing and say hey Honda engines have no torque, then look again. What were they making? What were their markets? Their engine is literally 3x smaller than big ass domestic muscle with 5x less fuel consumption. I guess you're never their market otherwise i think their success has proven you're wrong

[seftonm]

Their engine is literally 3x smaller than big ass domestic muscle with 5x less fuel consumption.

Slightly exaggerated, no? I don't know of many Honda cars that will get 80 mpg. Maybe a few microcars with less than 100 hp. You also forgot to mention that those big ass domestic engines also make 2x the horsepower.

[mudmojo]

Acura-exclusive i-VTEC Turbo technology uses a unique variable-flow turbocharger



Hmm... just re-read this and they are talking about a variable flow turbocharger. If I'm not misreading this, I think this will be a first for a JDM car. In a move well ahead of their time, Dodge offered something like this almost 2 decades ago.

Any gurus here know how this compares to Porsche's novel VTG technology in the '06 TT?

[shabby]

Sorry to burst your bubble but that car is highly overated. Its heavy and acceleration is a joke. A RSX-S can walk it

The rsx can walk the gxp? The regular solstice is slow no doubt, but a 2900lbs 260hp/trq gxp will be far from walked by a torqueless rsx.

[SkiD]

Sorry to burst your bubble but that car is highly overated. Its heavy and acceleration is a joke. A RSX-S can walk it

I didn't post the example of the Solstice to say it was a better car than the RSX (personally, even though it looks nice, the car itself is impractical with no trunk), I posted the example for the engine specs.

Most of the thread before my post was talking about the Honda engine WRT horsepower and torque, I just pulled out an example of someone other than Honda with an efficient small engine (I was hoping to expand the knowledge of car enthusiasts on this forum that don't keep up with domestics).

I also agree with the opinion that for city driving torque is more useful than horsepower but that the best engine design balances the two.

[gilboman]

LOL your point is very vague. Please use less torque while you're typing or you're off the trail.



i guess you are the one that doesnt understand gearing then



So you're saying with a crap load of torque, you dont have to drop the clutch when accelerate from a stop? :lol: lol But i do agree with you if you want to make a quick pass from a roll, i will downshift. I dont see why not? Ever ride a motorbike? I have since i was 15. So i like high rev and downshifting ;)


Yes with a crapload of torque you don't have to drop the clutch from 6k to keep up with a family sedan.

because downshifthing two gears and reving like a maniac just to get power to pass a car makes you look stupid. just because you like high revving and downshifting doesn't change the fact that for city driving, torque is what matters.



Nope you got it wrong. Honda didnt make higher torque doesnt mean they couldnt. The market is there, they fit it. If its not feasible to them then its not gonna be done. Simple as that. Again this is all about profits.



it's all about ability. they had no ability to make one for a long time because they didnt have enough R&D money to design and make a engine for north america only . simple as that, they in the past always used existing engines from other world markets and used it in north america, thus the engines were never designed for north america in the first place. you don't seem to even understand the market at all :confused: it's always about profits, that is a given, so with honda's profit's in the past THEY DID NOT HAVE ABILITY/RESOURCES TO DESIGN A HIGHER TORQUE ENGINE FOR NORTH AMERICA. just look at hyundai, in the past their V6's were a joke, but now they have ability to make a decent one and they have it. same with honda.

don't go trying to cover up the fact that like honda, they didin't have ability to make one due to $$ issues.



Again not just look at Honda, but the whole auto industry. The powerhouse is moving up due to higher technology thus building engine more effieciently. There is new development that can improve power without compensating emission, fuel consumption.

If you want to look back laughing and say hey Honda engines have no torque, then look again. What were they making? What were their markets? Their engine is literally 3x smaller than big ass domestic muscle with 5x less fuel consumption. I guess you're never their market otherwise i think their success has proven you're wrong

Honda's were making small 4bangers with 105hp while domestics were making engines the size of CURRENT honda's with higher torque than current honda's of similar engine size. ;)

and honda's engines were not 3X smaller with 5x less fuel consumption. are you saying honda's used 1.0 4bangers in civics and cavaliers or whatever in the past had 3.0 V12??? :lol:

honda's knew of their deficiencies and over time have slowly caught up and realized that bigger engines are required for more torque :lol:

honda's had smaller engines with better fuel economy at a time WHEN NOBODY CARED ABOUT FUEL ECONOMY. honda just didnt have the engines for north america so they made do with what they had


you are not going anywhere saying honda's engines in the past didn't need torque or torque is not useful in city driving etc... because if it was true, honda would not be fixing their engines in N/A for more power but still have a ways to go. just look at the TSX, great chassis with hamster power because the car was NOT designed for North America but honda needed to bring it over since they did not have ability to build a sporty sedan with suitable engine for north america

[gilboman]

Sorry to burst your bubble but that car is highly overated. Its heavy and acceleration is a joke. A RSX-S can walk it

no it can't. the RSX-S is about 120lb/ft torque short, low on 60hp , wrong wheels are moving in RSX-S. sorry to burst your bubble but a 20lb weight savings on the RSX-S does not equal 100lb/ft torque, 60hp or wrongset of wheels moving :lol:

or are you gonna argue a RSX-S can do better than 0-60 in 5.5sec and let's not even talk about 1/4mile or braking or handling for a FWD sporty coupe to a sportscar

if the soltice GXP is a joke, then what's a RSX-S? powerwheel :confused:

you say the soltice is heavy but the RSX-S is only 20lb ligher than it :confused:

[MameXP]

no it can't. the RSX-S is about 120lb/ft torque short, low on 60hp , wrong wheels are moving in RSX-S. sorry to burst your bubble but a 20lb weight savings on the RSX-S does not equal 100lb/ft torque, 60hp or wrongset of wheels moving :lol:

or are you gonna argue a RSX-S can do better than 0-60 in 5.5sec and let's not even talk about 1/4mile or braking or handling for a FWD sporty coupe to a sportscar

if the soltice GXP is a joke, then what's a RSX-S? powerwheel :confused:

you say the soltice is heavy but the RSX-S is only 20lb ligher than it :confused:

Hey are you gonna do Magazine racing with me now? Go to Cayuga sometimes, i got a chance to see it in last summer. I know the driver and its not his car. Hes testing it for his friend (only 2xxKms on the car). Its PATHETIC. I dont know where they got that 260HP from but i'm telling yah it seems like going out of gear after third.

[MameXP]

Yes with a crapload of torque you don't have to drop the clutch from 6k to keep up with a family sedan.

because downshifthing two gears and reving like a maniac just to get power to pass a car makes you look stupid. just because you like high revving and downshifting doesn't change the fact that for city driving, torque is what matters.




Are you serious? LOL driving like a maniac? is that what you think? And downshifting 2 gear huh? lol. Are you comparing a Civic to a Mustang? Get your facts straight.


And where do you think Honda cant build high torque engine? Ever look into Honda motosports? Lucky we dont have you, the genious, as CEO of Honda otherwise Honda would probably a joke name like Daewoo

[shabby]

Hey are you gonna do Magazine racing with me now? Go to Cayuga sometimes, i got a chance to see it in last summer. I know the driver and its not his car. Hes testing it for his friend (only 2xxKms on the car). Its PATHETIC. I dont know where they got that 260HP from but i'm telling yah it seems like going out of gear after third.

Again you're comparing the regular solstice, its got 177hp does 0-60mph in low 7's and 1/4mile in low 15's. The gxp is expected to do 0-60 in low 5's and the 1/4 mile in 14 flat or high 13's.

[gilboman]

Hey are you gonna do Magazine racing with me now? Go to Cayuga sometimes, i got a chance to see it in last summer. I know the driver and its not his car. Hes testing it for his friend (only 2xxKms on the car). Its PATHETIC. I dont know where they got that 260HP from but i'm telling yah it seems like going out of gear after third.

not magazine racing, common sense or plain logical reasoning.

a FWD car with 120lb/ft LESS torque, 60 LESS hp, and only lighter by about 20lbs is not going to outaccelerate a RWD sportscar with that huge of a power advantage. let's not talk about handling of a FWD sporty coupe to a sports car now

are you saying the guy was driving a 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP
last summer :lol: what does he use when not at cayuga? the deloren?

[gilboman]

Are you serious? LOL driving like a maniac? is that what you think? And downshifting 2 gear huh? lol. Are you comparing a Civic to a Mustang? Get your facts straight.


And where do you think Honda cant build high torque engine? Ever look into Honda motosports? Lucky we dont have you, the genious, as CEO of Honda otherwise Honda would probably a joke name like Daewoo

no more like a RSX-S to a new RAV4, or accord :lol:

yes...revving to 6k and drop the clutch so you can get ahead of a family sedan and cut into another lane makes you and your car look very stupid.

luckily honda doesn't have you, otherwise they would not be starting to build some engines with torque now ;)

i think you really need to get your facts straight first.

i just love fanboys who when cornered and defeated stop any making sense and just spew out jibberish.

but i'll try to explain once again why honda didnt have any engiens with torque before and only starting to build them now THEY COULDNT DO IT DUE TO RESOURCES LIMITATION. they didnt have capcity at R&D and manufacturing to design and build engine specifically for North American makret, they always had to go through the parts bin from other markets and use them here.

THUS, HONDA COULDNT BUILD IT BECAUSE THEY DIDNT HAVE RESOURCES TO DO IT

[mudmojo]

Not everyone needs or wants their car to accelerate rapidly whilst doing 15 kph in 2nd. For some, it's a must.

Not everyone wants to play tag with the redline. For some, it's a must.

Not everyone wants to sacrifice their tires and/or clutch for the sake of rapid progress. For some, it's a must.



IMO the bottom line is this... an enthusiast's car should complement the enthusiast's driving style. When one finds one's match, it will be amazing.

In order to find one's car, one has to find oneself first. In order to find oneself, one must not be closed minded and have much experience in all conditions to find out for oneself. All the while, one can be enlightened but still not satisfied... :)

[gilboman]

Not everyone needs or wants their car to accelerate rapidly whilst doing 15 kph in 2nd. For some, it's a must.

Not everyone wants to play tag with the redline. For some, it's a must.

Not everyone wants to sacrifice their tires and/or clutch for the sake of rapid progress. For some, it's a must.



IMO the bottom line is this... an enthusiast's car should complement the enthusiast's driving style. When one finds one's match, it will be amazing.

In order to find one's car, one has to find oneself first. In order to find oneself, one must not be closed minded and have much experience in all conditions to find out for oneself. All the while, one can be enlightened but still not satisfied... :)

exactly... so its stupid to say torque is not important or try to hide the fact that torque is what's important in city driving. just go ahead and say you only care about the car on a track and not how it drives day to day.

i've said all along nothing wrong with no torque cars as long as you don't care about passing power especially in the city.

[pandaharo]

I hope they will do more work on restyling the car, there are just way too many RSX out there.

[waitin4BOOST]

I think people need to understand that we are also comparing demographics when arguing...no i should say "discussing" about this topic. I think it would be safe to say that Japan in general is more limited in resources compared to North America and Japan street structuring is different to North America.

Honda has always been in the forefront with environmental concerns by building smaller displacement vehicles, light, fuel efficient and at the same giving them a sufficient amount of hp/tq for THEIR needs/roads.

But as we can all see times are changing...NA loves seeing high HP #'s....and as we can see Honda is going with the trend. Sadly I personally think they should start posting #'s from the wheel and not the crank.

-NSX was/is a great car...designed with the help of a great man. It held up againest the best even with the #'s stacked against them. Lets hope the V10 lives up to it's predecessor.

Back on topic....there have been rumors on Vtec.net about the 2.3T engine in the RDX being used in the next gen Integra (RSX) so the OP isn't off at all....and i hope its true. Better yet...they should bring over their CDTi too!!

[gilboman]

Honda has always been in the forefront with environmental concerns by building smaller displacement vehicles, light, fuel efficient and at the same giving them a sufficient amount of hp/tq for THEIR needs/roads.



you are sadly mistaken if you think its about environmental concerns or that they are at forefront :lol: :lol:

it was purely market/profit driven, their markets in asia/europe needed small engines due to high petrol prices, so thats what they made. they didnt have resources to develop engines for north american use so they just put their asian/euro engines into service in north america which was not really suitable.

but now that they have resources, they are able to develop engines more for north america.

but just look at TSX etc.. its clearly not a N.American car and its engine is just insufficient here, but honda has no choice since they didnt have resources to develop a similar car that was actually suitable for driving conditions here.

[googoo]

AmI the only person that finds the real news that Honda is looking at doing forced induction for the first time in a production car??

Brent

[B0000rt]

But as we can all see times are changing...NA loves seeing high HP #'s....and as we can see Honda is going with the trend. Sadly I personally think they should start posting #'s from the wheel and not the crank.
Woah, one step at at time :p

That's the next logical step in displaying horsepower. First everyone's gotta move to that new SAE HP spec first, then wheel horsepower will eventually be listed :D

As for MameXP, clearly you're NOT READING people's posts. The Solstice everyone's talking about is the 2.0L Turbocharged i4 (260/260), not the base 2.4L N/A i4 (177/225).

Solstice GXP -> 260hp, 260ft-lbs -> 2948lbs
RSX TypeS -> 201hp, 140ft-lbs -> 2848lbs

So you're telling me a car with 59 less horsepower and 120ft-lbs less torque that weighs only 100lbs less will outrun it straight line?

AmI the only person that finds the real news that Honda is looking at doing forced induction for the first time in a production car??

Brent
Heh yeah, that's good news though. Remember the last time they introduced forced induction somewhere else in some large racing series? (F1 :lol: :lol: ) They tore it up! :D

[seftonm]

AmI the only person that finds the real news that Honda is looking at doing forced induction for the first time in a production car??

Yeah, that is interesting, Honda has always been about using high rpm's to make high horsepower in their performance vehicles. Looks like they're finally going to give us some bottom end grunt to go along with that nice top end. One minor correction, this is not the first time they're doing it in a production car. This may be the first time in North America and the first spark ignition production car with forced induction for them. The i-CTDi is turbocharged and is engineered and built by Honda. A TSX with that engine would be very tempting to me.

[googoo]

Now we ARE splitting hairs:)

Brent

[MameXP]

So you're telling me a car with 59 less horsepower and 120ft-lbs less torque that weighs only 100lbs less will outrun it straight line?





Yes thats what i'm telling you. Go search for yourself, just dont do mag racing with me. Specs dont tell you how it will performance it only gives you a good indication. Not to mention you dont have a FULL specs of the car but only the engine.

Also tell me how a RX-8 GT with 240HP will loose to an RSX-S with only 201HP? There you go, does specs tell you the whole true?

And Acura has followed up fully with the new SAE rating while GM doesnt on all with their models.

[MameXP]

AmI the only person that finds the real news that Honda is looking at doing forced induction for the first time in a production car??

Brent


Jesus..... AGAIN

This is not the first FI production car Honda built, its the first in NA. In other parts of the world Honda has FI applications for years

[MameXP]

not magazine racing, common sense or plain logical reasoning.

a FWD car with 120lb/ft LESS torque, 60 LESS hp, and only lighter by about 20lbs is not going to outaccelerate a RWD sportscar with that huge of a power advantage. let's not talk about handling of a FWD sporty coupe to a sports car now

are you saying the guy was driving a 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP
last summer :lol: what does he use when not at cayuga? the deloren?


Ignorance at its best. You want to compare torque? FWD vs RWD?

LOL then explain why RSX-S can tie if not walk the V6 05 mustang?

[MameXP]

exactly... so its stupid to say torque is not important or try to hide the fact that torque is what's important in city driving. just go ahead and say you only care about the car on a track and not how it drives day to day.

i've said all along nothing wrong with no torque cars as long as you don't care about passing power especially in the city.


OH oh now, who said torque is not important? I said torque is not everything. Yes i said torque is not important in city driving. Its YOU that ****ing think high reving is stupid and maniac. While i said torque isnt important if you have gearing to compensating not to mention i love the high rev engine.

You, my friend, are full of it. Dont be self-centre now
And yeah seriously why dont you have a gut to say it straight....

ps. oh yeah you still saying LESS torque = no passing. Ignorance at its best again. LOL :lol:

[B0000rt]

Also tell me how a RX-8 GT with 232HP will loose to an RSX-S with only 201HP? There you go, does specs tell you the whole true?

And Acura has followed up fully with the new SAE rating while GM doesnt on all with their models.
I corrected your quote

Because the RX-8 weighs more, but does not have the torque to negate that fact? By comparison, the RX-8 has 31 more HP and 19ft-lbs more torque, and weighs 205lbs more. But checking numbers on the net w/ people's slips and magazine numbers, the RX-8 seems to do the quarter in high 14s, while the TypeS in the low 15s. We are talking about straight line right?

As for J1349, GM was the first to adopt the standard on the LS7. I'm sure from here on in, all their new engines will use the standard.

[SkiD]

And Acura has followed up fully with the new SAE rating while GM doesnt on all with their models.

GM was the first manufacturer to start using the SAE ratings on any "all new" 2006 vehicles (they will probably not go back and retest older models) and all the vehicles that were tested with the new criteria had their numbers increase from the old method (because GM generally underrates their engines).

A lot of the figures from Japanese car companies have either stayed the same or decreased (they generally overrate their engines because their testing usually didn't have any accesories attached, ie. A/C).

[gilboman]

. Yes i said torque is not important in city driving.


honda fanboy at its best. maybe you should go hide out in clubsi instead.

[gilboman]

Ignorance at its best. You want to compare torque? FWD vs RWD?

LOL then explain why RSX-S can tie if not walk the V6 05 mustang?

because it's weight/hp ratio is 15.71
RSX-S is around 14.2

just like how a celica GT-S is even with a RSX-S eventhough the celi is short 20hp, the weight/hp ratio is what you look at in 1/4 mile

fyi but in first 2 gears, the V6 stang is still ahead b/c of torque just like it is in city driving ;)

[gilboman]

Yes thats what i'm telling you. Go search for yourself, just dont do mag racing with me.

260hp, 260torque is SAE corrected ;)

it's not mag racing IT IS COMMON SENSE, same weight of two cars, one has 120lb/ft more torque, 60more hp, RWD. it will always win the straight line race. so are you telling me if i told you the BMW M5 is faster than a RSX-S you will call that mag racing :lol: or if i told you a F1 car is faster than a RSX-S is mag racing? or would you tell someone they need to go race a RSX-S with a M5 before you will accept the M5 is faster? :lol: This is beyond ignorance, we are talking about delousional here now.

also it is common knowledge that a stock or even I/E/H/Hondadata RSX-S DOES NOT do 0-60 in 5.5.sec, unless you are telling me it does.

so either go back to your cave or clubsi.

[googoo]

"Jesus..... AGAIN

This is not the first FI production car Honda built, its the first in NA. In other parts of the world Honda has FI applications for years"

Thanks, you're fantastic!

ME, I've never been to Europe, so I'm not really looking at importing anything from there, YES it's the first time a FI engine MAY come to the NOrth American market..

People think they know SSOooo much, and are so willing to "correct" anything. PLEASE try to read the intend before you come in with the correction.

Brent

[waitin4BOOST]

you are sadly mistaken if you think its about environmental concerns or that they are at forefront :lol: :lol:

it was purely market/profit driven, their markets in asia/europe needed small engines due to high petrol prices, so thats what they made. they didnt have resources to develop engines for north american use so they just put their asian/euro engines into service in north america which was not really suitable.

but now that they have resources, they are able to develop engines more for north america.

but just look at TSX etc.. its clearly not a N.American car and its engine is just insufficient here, but honda has no choice since they didnt have resources to develop a similar car that was actually suitable for driving conditions here.

Sadly mistaken...uhhhh no, happily correct yes!

Shouldn't of said "always" that was my mistake lol But I do agree the whole small displacement, light weight, fuel efficiency is due to their lack of resources ie. petro/metals. That is why people have always complained about hondas rust easy, dent easy, couldn't survive an accident and everything else thats stereotypical of a Honda. So what i'm trying to say is that from those restrictions they've created a pretty good formula and is now running with it.....i guess you can say they've adopted the whole "environmentally friendly" and is now pushing forward with it.

That's the next logical step in displaying horsepower. First everyone's gotta move to that new SAE HP spec first, then wheel horsepower will eventually be listed :D

Yeah...your right, given that SAE is still pretty new. lol