Hold on tight to your cash and gold/silver boullions folks

[yatko]

over 80% the probability that the week of March 20-26, 2006 will be the beginning of the most significant political crisis the world has known since the Fall of the Iron Curtain in 1989, together with an economic and financial crisis of a scope comparable with that of 1929

http://www.europe2020.org/en/section_global/150206.htm

The Laboratoire européen d’Anticipation Politique Europe 2020 (LEAP/E2020) now estimates to over 80% the probability that the week of March 20-26, 2006 will be the beginning of the most significant political crisis the world has known since the Fall of the Iron Curtain in 1989, together with an economic and financial crisis of a scope comparable with that of 1929. This last week of March 2006 will be the turning-point of a number of critical developments, resulting in an acceleration of all the factors leading to a major crisis, disregard any American or Israeli military intervention against Iran. In case such an intervention is conducted, the probability of a major crisis to start rises up to 100%, according to LEAP/E2020.

[Stock R]

Someone care to explain what's going on?

[FastFokker]

Yeah I tried to understand, but can't..

Is this alluding to a global recession or something?

I don't recall the "Fall of the Iron Curtain in 1989" being too bad on my quality of life..

[Narci]

The sky is fallling?

[FastFokker]

The sky is fallling? :lol: That's what I would have said also, but the source seems reputable, even though I've never heard of them before.

[mart242]

It's a political crisis. It doesn't necessarly mean that we'll all end up with a street because of a war.

You'll have to admit that israel, pakistan, iran are not too stable and stuff might happen...

[thelefteyeguy]

can you tell me what cash is going to do?

If the sky is falling...paper money would be worthless.

[FastFokker]

If the sky is falling...paper money would be worthless.Worth less than digital money?

[Efx]

People need to chill. All these predictions/assumptions only going to stir up things for nothing. The world will go on living, you will still have your hot cup of coffee in the morning and watching daily soap operas till you die.

[FastFokker]

People need to chill. All these predictions/assumptions only going to stir up things for nothing. The world will go on living, you will still have your hot cup of coffee in the morning and watching daily soap operas till you die.Didn't know RFD had a resident Psychic.

Do you have previous experience in predictions which have either come true or been wrong?

I have a Jehovah Witness friend you should talk to, he really believes the end of the world is near. :eek:

[yatko]

Some people are discussing same issue from the stockhouse

This Iranian oil bourse is much bigger than some have come to contemplate.
Sadaam tried this as a radical leader, he was taken out before its inception.
You don't hear the state deptarment talk about it because they have plans to disrail it.
Iran holds the upper hand in all this oil that goes to Europe, they will not sell oil to the Europeans if it is not purchased through there oil bourse to help support it.
Nobody wants the US dollar with all of this civil strife and oil disruptions going on.
Still gotta believe the US will not sit idle and watch this bourse come into affect, war mongering with that nuclear talk will really ramp up in the not to distant future, right after the March 8 meeting of the UN security council.
Iran has great distain for the Americans and this bourse will threaten there currency status, thats a guarantee.
The shaky markets are spelling out some unpleasant undercurrents happening and they could tank anyday now. Charts and action are reinforcing this

[Efx]

I guess in 4 weeks we will find out... In the meantime, i will resume digging my bomb shelter.

[st7860]

the US doesn't buy any iranian oil anyway so why does it matter so much?

[puff_daddy_58_99]

The point is that countries that don't like the US can buy their oil through this new Iranian exchange. Since they don't have to buy in US dollars, there will be a drop in demand for dollars, hence a drop in the value of the dollar in the market. When that happens, the US will have to pay more to pay off their existing debt, and if the valuation is severe enough they will be unable to pay.

It is a worst case scenario, but there are a lot of countries that would rather buy their oil in euros rather than dollars (just about all of europe would be in this category), and Iran will benefit from all this trade going through their exchange.

I doubt the world will come to an end in 3.5 weeks as they are saying, but there is some good commentary on the world economic issues that are present at the moment.

[FastFokker]

Ah so in other words, DON'T hold on tight to your American "cash".. :lol:

[The_Madz]

panic only causes panic. fear only cause more fear.


there has been political crisis in the middle east for longer than i have lived.
there are always new threats of war or famines.
drought years. rising oil prices from terrorist attacks and what not.
yet, over time, stock markets rise, global population rises and new technology arrives and people live on.

heck.. look at how oil prices jumped $2/ barrel from a FAILED terrorist attck on a saudi refinery. production was not affected, yet investors and public get all panic about it and oil prices rise causing the real problem.

[FastFokker]

panic only causes panic. fear only cause more fear. And knowledge is power.

[thelefteyeguy]

Worth less than digital money?


my comment was in reference to the title...hold onto your money and gold/silver.

if something like this ever happened...only resources (traded metals) would be of any value...

but i'd assume digital money (ie. what you have in the bank) will still be the same number you had prior to any devaluation.

[15-20_God]

my comment was in reference to the title...hold onto your money and gold/silver.

if something like this ever happened...only resources (traded metals) would be of any value...

if an apocalypse were to happen metals would be worthless as well. you'll have no way to store them, no way to negotiate them, and no safe way to transport them. you can't eat a bar of gold in a free for all.

[Blunt]

Ya.. everyone should covert their gold and silver into Guns and Bullets RIGHT NOW!!!
:twisted:

[dealguy2]

These "decline of the American empire" freaks have been around since the 1980s. They've been wrong everytime. Uropeons simply cannot escape their crippling socialist economic policy and no barking at the US is going to change this. American free enterprise cannot be beaten.

[FastFokker]

http://www.financialsense.com/stormwatch/images/2002/0412/total_us_debt.gif

http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/images/debt_aug_2005_1.gif

American debt up, American savings down. :eek:

[cipher]

You forgot the most important bouillon...

http://shopuncleharrys.dukestores.duke.edu/images/soup%20036.jpg

[Nyte]

Ya.. everyone should covert their gold and silver into Guns and Bullets RIGHT NOW!!!
:twisted:

As in guns and bullets made of gold and silver? Could be useful, but then you might also get people who want you to shoot at them on purpose.

[MrDisco]

panic only causes panic. fear only cause more fear.


i thought it was Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.

[FastFokker]

If a depression hits, I'll let anyone shoot their potato gun in my direction.

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[kinggori]

Nothing will probably happen in 4 weeks and life will just go on as usual :)

[dback42]

Gold as an investment is a sham, do you remember Bre-X. There's know way for a central bank to control the supply and it's hard to trade for goods. It's really shameful that regulators still allow it to be promoted as a currency. It's usually suckers who buy into the Gold story. The World Gold Council is a lobby group not an authority.

[15-20_God]

Gold as an investment is a sham, do you remember Bre-X.

you're wrong if you're associating the collapse of Bre-X with gold. it had more to do with mismangement and deceit than the actual commodity.

[FastFokker]

What about buying into plutonium? That seems to be a popular metal. :razz:

[ah802]

The sky is fallling?It's no big secret that Israel has said it will settle out the Iran nuclear enrichment problem mid March (they don't usually say something and sit on it).

[IceMan77]

Anybody remember what happened in Y2K? exactly..

[Byrns]

If a depression hits, I'll let anyone shoot their potato gun in my direction.

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You might want to photoshop out the topless girl in the background....

[thelefteyeguy]

You might want to photoshop out the topless girl in the background....


em...im surprised that this picture is still up hehe

[robattoronto]

I believe I see a nipple! Yeah baby!

If a depression hits, I'll let anyone shoot their potato gun in my direction.

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[thelefteyeguy]

I believe I see a nipple! Yeah baby!

i count more...but 2 of them don't count :lol:

[Emancipated]

Didn't know RFD had a resident Psychic.

Do you have previous experience in predictions which have either come true or been wrong?

I have a Jehovah Witness friend you should talk to, he really believes the end of the world is near. :eek:


He's a pollyana (sp?) more than a psychic. An eternal optimist.

If it does hit the fan, let's hope it's quick and painless. Apart from the wars and what havoc it played on families; the depression (of the 1930's, from what I've read) were just as harsh on folks as well.

[gei]

OMG! This will be even worse than y2k!

[riskit]

.


Iran, Oil and Euros: The War Scenario
Gwynne Dyer, Arab News —


Here’s the scenario. On March 20 Iran opens a new “bourse” (exchange) on which countries all over the world can buy and sell oil and gas not only for dollars but also for euros. It also establishes a new oil “marker” (oil pricing standard) based on Iranian crude and denominated in euros, in open rivalry to the existing West Texas Intermediate, Norway Brent and UAE Dubai markers, all of which are calculated in US dollars.

The Iranian bourse is an instant success with countries and companies that are unhappy about having to hold huge amounts of overvalued US dollars to finance their oil transactions, all of which must presently be conducted in that currency. Very large sums start to shift from the dollar to the euro, although exactly how much is unknown because the US Federal Reserve System (by pure coincidence, of course) has chosen late March as the time to stop publishing the data that would make it easy to know how fast the hemorrhage was.

But the US government knows, and is deeply alarmed by the danger that the dollar may be losing its status as the world’s only reserve currency. Given the huge deficits that plague the US economy, the US dollar’s value would collapse if other countries began to see it as just another currency, so the euro must be prevented from emerging as an alternative reserve currency. In practice, that means the Iranian experiment with a euro-denominated oil bourse must be stopped — and the only way to do that is to attack Iran.

Some of the scenario-mongers would change the sequence of events and have the US launch a “preventive” attack against Iran before it even opens the bourse. An alternative scenario has Washington persuading Israel to do the dirty work of actually launching air strikes against Iran. But a lot of people are genuinely worried that the whole crisis over Iran’s alleged nuclear weapons program is being whipped up to give Washington cover for a strike against Iran that is really meant to halt the bourse.

In support of this thesis, they argue that a similar initiative by Saddam Hussein, who began insisting that Iraq’s oil exports be paid for in euros in 2000, led directly to the US invasion of 2003. The Iranians are going much further, and they will be punished too. How seriously should we take this argument?

Although final details on the way the Iranian oil bourse will operate are still lacking, it’s clear that a euro-denominated oil exchange could catch on, and would indeed challenge the US dollar’s unique advantages as the world’s sole reserve currency. However, it is less clear that the Bush administration actually knows or cares about this.

There is no real evidence linking Saddam Hussein’s demand to be paid in euros for Iraq’s oil with the subsequent US invasion of Iraq. Those two events occurred almost three years apart, and in any case Saddam merely asked to have the checks made out in euros, so to speak. Iraq’s actual oil sales continued to go through the New York or London exchanges and to be conducted in dollars.

Besides, those were the early years of the Bush administration, and US dollar was much less vulnerable because the twin US deficits on the federal budget and the foreign trade account had not yet had time to swell to their present massive size. The euros-for-oil story is just one of many motives that people have proposed to explain the Bush administration’s attack on Iraq, given that Saddam had neither terrorist ties nor weapons of mass destruction, but it fails to convince.

The rapidly deteriorating financial position of the United States probably does explain the Federal Reserve’s announcement that on March 24 it will stop publishing data on the M3 money supply, which tracks how many US dollars are held by foreigners. If you are worried about a panic flight from the dollar, then you want to keep any downward trend in overseas holdings of US dollars out of public sight. But the Fed might well be doing this around now even if no Iranian oil bourse were on the horizon, and no dramatic conclusions need to be drawn from it.

In order to believe that the US government is planning an attack on Iran to head off the challenge to the dollar that a euro-based Iranian oil bourse would represent, you must first believe that the Bush administration actually worries about such things, and there is little proof that it does. It certainly should, but if it truly did, would it have pushed through the biggest tax cuts in American history? The Bush administration is reckless enough to contemplate an attack on Iran, but it is too ignorant about fiscal and monetary matters to worry about such esoteric matters as the potential connections between a shift to euros in the oil market, foreign investor confidence in the US dollar, and the sustainability of the massive US budget and trade deficits. As Vice President Dick Cheney said to former Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill when the latter protested over the huge Bush tax cuts (an issue on which he later resigned): “Ronald Reagan proved that budget deficits don’t matter.”

If the US does attack Iran, it will be for other motives.


http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7§ion=0&article=78138&d=21&m=2&y=2006

[xKagex]

It's a pretty well known fact that the current world currency (the US dollar) is in big trouble. When countries like Iraq and Iran threaten and/or do switch to the Euro, it spells out the beginning of the end of the American Empire, which in turn will lead to a global economic crisis.

Interesting video clip on the fall of Rome (eerily similar to the US):
http://www.infowars.com/video/clips/honoria/honoria_qt_lo.htm
http://www.infowars.com/video/clips/honoria/honoria_wm_lo.htm

[riskit]

Petrodollars and Nuclear Weapons Proliferation: Understanding the Planned Assault on Iran


By Michael Keefer

February 10, 2006


Iran has been in the gun-sights of George W. Bush and his entourage from the moment that he was parachuted into the presidency in November 2000 by his father’s Supreme Court.

A year ago there were signs, duly reported by Seymour Hersh and others, that the United States and Israel were working out the targeting details of an aerial attack on Iran that it was anticipated would occur in June 2005 (see Hersh, Gush Shalom, Jensen). But as Michel Chossudovsky wrote in May 2005, widespread reports that George W. Bush had “signed off on” an attack on Iran did not signify that the attack would necessarily occur during the summer of 2005: what the ‘signing off’ suggested was rather “that the US and Israel [were] ‘in a state of readiness’ and [were] prepared to launch an attack by June or at a later date. In other words, the decision to launch the attack [had] not been made” (Chossudovsky: May 2005).

Since December 2005, however, there have been much firmer indications both that the planned attack will go ahead in late March 2006, and also that the Cheney-Bush administration intends it to involve the use of nuclear weapons.

It is important to understand the nature and scale of the war crimes that are being planned—and no less important to recognize that, as in the case of the Bush regime’s assault on Iraq, the pretexts being advanced to legitimize this intended aggression are entirely fraudulent. Unless the lurid fantasies of people like former Undersecretary for Arms Control and International Security and now Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton count as evidence—and Bolton’s pronouncements on the weaponry supposedly possessed by Iraq, North Korea, Cuba and Venezuela show him to be less acquainted with truth than Jean Harlow was with chastity—there is no evidence that Iran has or has ever had any nuclear weapons development program. Claims to the contrary, however loudly they may have been trumpeted by Fox News, CNN, or The New York Times, are demonstrably false.

Nor does there appear to be the remotest possibility, whatever desperate measures the Iranian government might be frightened into by American and Israeli threats of pre-emptive attacks, that Iran would be able to produce nuclear weapons in the near future. On August 2, 2005, The Washington Post reported that according to the most recent National Intelligence Estimate (NIE), which represents a consensus arrived at among U.S. intelligence agencies, “Iran is about a decade away from manufacturing the key ingredient for a nuclear weapon, roughly doubling the previous estimate of five years” (Linzer, quoted by Clark, 28 Jan. 2006).

The coming attack on Iran has nothing whatsoever to do with concerns about the proliferation of nuclear weapons. Its primary motive, as oil analyst William Clark has argued, is rather a determination to ensure that the U.S. dollar remains the sole world currency for oil trading. Iran plans in March 2006 to open a Teheran Oil Bourse in which all trading will be carried out in Euros. This poses a direct threat to the status of the U.S. dollar as the principal world reserve currency—and hence also to a trading system in which massive U.S. trade deficits are paid for with paper money whose accepted value resides, as Krassimir Petrov notes, in its being the currency in which international oil trades are denominated. (U.S. dollars are effectively exchangeable for oil in somewhat the same way that, prior to 1971, they were at least in theory exchangeable for gold.)

But not only is this planned aggression unconnected to any actual concern over Iranian nuclear weapons. There is in fact some reason to think that the preparations for it have involved deliberate violations by the Bush neo-conservatives of anti-proliferation protocols (and also, necessarily, of U.S. law), and that their long-term planning, in which Turkey’s consent to the aggression is a necessary part, has involved a deliberate transfer of nuclear weapons technology to Turkey as a part of the pay-off.

Prior to her public exposure by Karl Rove, Lewis ‘Scooter’ Libby, and other senior administration officials in July 2003, CIA agent Valerie Plame was reportedly involved in undercover anti-proliferation work focused on transfers of nuclear technology to Turkey that were being carried out by a network of crooked businessmen, arms dealers, and ‘rogue’ officials within the U.S. government. The leaking of Plame’s identity as a CIA agent was undoubtedly an act of revenge for her husband Joseph Wilson’s public revelation that one of the key claims used to legitimize the invasion of Iraq, Saddam Hussein’s supposed acquisition of uranium ore from Niger, was known by the Bush regime to be groundless. But Plame’s exposure also conveniently put an end to her investigative work. Some of the senior administration officials responsible for that crime of state have long-term diplomatic and military connections to Turkey, and all of them have been employed in what might be called (with a nod to ex-White House speechwriter David Frum) the Cheney-Bolton Axis of Aggression. Thanks to the courage and integrity of former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds, there is evidence dating from 2002 of high-level involvement in the subversion of FBI investigations into arms trafficking with Turkey. The leaking of Valerie Plame’s identity as a CIA agent may therefore have been not merely an act of revenge for her husband’s contribution to the delegitimizing of one war of aggression, but also a tactical maneuver in preparation for the next one.

George W. Bush made clear his aggressive intentions in relation to Iran in his 2002 State of the Union address; and his regime’s record on issues of nuclear proliferation has been, to put it mildly, equivocal. If, as seems plausible, Bush’s diplomats had been secretly arranging that Turkey’s reward for connivance in an attack on Iran should include its future admission into the charmed circle of nuclear powers, then the meddling interference of servants of the state who, like Plame and Edmonds, were putting themselves or at least their careers at risk in the cause of preventing nuclear weapons proliferation, was not to be tolerated.

The ironies are glaring. The U.S. government is contemplating an unprovoked attack upon Iran that will involve “pre-emptive” use of nuclear weapons against a non-nuclear-weapons-holding state. Although the pretext is that this is necessary to forestall nuclear weapons proliferation, there is evidence to suggest that planning for the attack has involved, very precisely, nuclear weapons proliferation by the United States.

It would appear that this sinister complex of criminality involves one further twist. There have been indications that the planned attack may be immediately preceded (and of course ‘legitimized’) by another 9/11-type event within the U.S.

Let us review these issues in sequence.

Plans for a conventional and ‘tactical’ nuclear attack on Iran




MORE.....................

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=KEE20060210&articleId=1936

[stevethewheel]

If a depression hits, I'll let anyone shoot their potato gun in my direction.

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Strategic hat positioning by the person in the background.....maximizing the use of shadow.

Back to the topic,

I'm suspicious of graphs showing percentages that don't add up to anywhere near 100. Check the "who holds US debt" graph. It doesn't add up to 100 at the start.

[Bullseye]

The Gwynn Dyer article states the issue here in much clearer terms than the OP's clip, and as Dyer is a well known and respected Canadian journalist, it also gives more credibility.

I don't think panic is in order, but the potential for problems is certainly there. Remember, a falling US dollar would mean a further increasing Canadian one, and considering that 40% of our GDP is from selling goods and services to Americans, the impact would be substantial.

[B40]

Gold as an investment is a sham, do you remember Bre-X. There's know way for a central bank to control the supply and it's hard to trade for goods. It's really shameful that regulators still allow it to be promoted as a currency. It's usually suckers who buy into the Gold story. The World Gold Council is a lobby group not an authority.

It's a sham alright!

http://www.kitco.com/LFgif/au3650nyb.gif

[hyperion]

lmao fear mongers

[mlc2000]

I have 2 questions


1. I will be in Cuba March 25, should I come home?

2. My Mastercard bill with the Cuba trip is sitting on the kitchen table.
Its due April 3. Can I ignore it?

[hyperion]

I have 2 questions


1. I will be in Cuba March 25, should I come home?

2. My Mastercard bill with the Cuba trip is sitting on the kitchen table.
Its due April 3. Can I ignore it?

1. Cuba will be among the countries in the pre-emptive nuclear strike. Sorry, but you lose.

2. That's Visa's goodbye gift to you.

[UrbanPoet]

i got a pretty nifty survival kit @ my house. It only last for 1 month tho.

[Bullseye]

i got a pretty nifty survival kit @ my house. It only last for 1 month tho.

What's in your survival kit?

[B40]

What's in your survival kit?

LED keychains

[UrbanPoet]

What's in your survival kit?

some ammo
a box of canned beans
box of canned veggies
4 big jugs of water.
First Aid Kit... Wind up rechargable radio/flash light.
one of those solar backup battery packs.
Some water purification kits.
Sleeping Bags. fishing equipment

Its actually.... just my camping stuff locked up in the basement. lol
Oh yeh... you know how asians like to stock up on random nonperishable foods when they are on sale and put it in their basmeent? Yeh... thats what me and my parents do. It cost us alot of money up front.. but it saves u money in the long run when u got alot of 0.79 cent pasta and Canned beans/veggies/meats that u can use in your cooking when u dont have time to go shopping.

[UrbanPoet]

LED keychains

you bast0rd. I actually have a baggie full of those in there too. :mad:
I got one in every drawer in the house incase of a blackout/emergency. ;)

[xKagex]

Heh, I bet all those people with survival kits were glad they could ride out the fall of the Roman Empire back in the day.

:D

[Kasakato]

Cant they delay it for a week? My birthday is smack in the middle of that week.

[konfusion666]

i got a pretty nifty survival kit @ my house. It only last for 1 month tho.

Don't worry, it won't even last that long. We know where you live. Mwahahaha.

[FastFokker]

Canned beans/veggies/meats that u can use in your cooking when u dont have time to go shopping.Mmmm aint nothin tastier or healthier than canned meats and veggies. :lol:

[mlc2000]

Whats the expiry date on that stuff?
Didn't you buy before the last world catastrophy...towards the end of 1999....
when the traffic lights were supposed to stop workings, and jets would fall from the sky....?

[UrbanPoet]

Whats the expiry date on that stuff?
Didn't you buy before the last world catastrophy...towards the end of 1999....
when the traffic lights were supposed to stop workings, and jets would fall from the sky....?

You do notice that i said it was just my camp out stuff right? :lol:
Its easier to bring that fishing/hiking/camping then to bring fresh food.
So i use it during the spring/fall/summer. Then i refill it whenever theres a sale :D Usually the Annual $1 sale @ nofrills and whatever random sales they have.

[mlc2000]

I keep scouring the web looking for credible sources on this, but I keep coming up dry.

Obviously the US media and the BBC are going to put a positive spin on things....
So I googled Iran Oil Bourse + CBC. Nothing. Toronto Star? nothing. Globe and Mail? Nothing. National Post? zippo.

I see some left ( And right) wing think tanks, but they all have their own agendas.....where can I find a source on this that can be trusted?

[FastFokker]

where can I find a source on this that can be trusted?Aljazeera is reputable and trustworthy aren't they?

Search Results.
Results 0-0 of 0

[Bullseye]

You don't consider Gywnn Dyer credible? He writes for the Star and other majors, as well as published several high profile books.

Doesn't mean he is the be- all-and-end-all, but I would assume his credentials lend some validity to the issue, at least.

[FastFokker]

You don't consider Gywnn Dyer credible? He writes for the Star and other majors, as well as published several high profile books.

Doesn't mean he is the be- all-and-end-all, but I would assume his credentials lend some validity to the issue, at least.Has he published something on this issue? I think that's what we're looking for, others which have re-published the information and even added further commentary.

[Bullseye]

Has he published something on this issue? I think that's what we're looking for, others which have re-published the information and even added further commentary.

Yes, his column on this issue is post #39 of this thread.

[FastFokker]

Yes, his column on this issue is post #39 of this thread.Oh sorry.. I didn't read it because the link didn't work.

I'll just read what the poster copy and pasted now though. My mistake.

[hyperion]

This is how it will happen:

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/end.php

[mlc2000]

I doubt China will get on board with this, they need US to buy their goods.

Also, what has prevented the other oil markets from switching to Euros?


Well, guess I'll see what happens when I get home from Cuba.

[FastFokker]

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/080306odds.htm
Mag: Iran bombing odds are 2:1 by 2007

Raw Story | March 8 2006

The odds of an American or Israeli airstrike on Iran by March 31, 2007 are 2:1, according to April editions of the Atlantic Magazine. The magazine relies on online betting at tradesports.com, and provides a few details of the circumstances in which each strike might take place.

The Atlantic is known for its predictions of future events, and has held widely respected debates on military strikes on North Korea and Iran. Neither scenarios resulted in a favorable position for the United States. Excerpts follow.

4:1: Overt Air Strike by the United States or Israel by June 30, 2006.

By this date, the United Nations Security Council may have only recently enacted sanctions, such as travel bans or freezing the assets of Iranians associated with the nuclear program. More important, neither the United States nor Israel is likely to risk a strike in the midst of an election year. Israel will have only recently voted in a new parliament, and the United States will be mere months away from mid- term elections. Advertisement

3:1: Overt Air Strike by the United States or Israel by December 31, 2006.

The November elections will be over in the United States, and a new government will be firmly in place in Israel. But the two powers may continue to defer to the international community, and wait to assess whether sanctions and diplomacy curb Iran’s ambitions.

2:1: Overt Air Strike by the United States or Israel by March 31, 2007.

If Iran continues to make progress toward nuclear weapons capability, despite heavy international pressure, a surgical military strike against one of its key facilities—such as the uranium-enrichment plant in Natanz or the uranium-conversion facility in Isfahan—would become more politically feasible. Analysts at the Eurasia Group, an international consulting firm, predict that surgical strikes are likely “by the [United States] or Israel during the first quarter of 2007.”

Current betting figures can be obtained at http://www.intrade.com. :eek:

[PrincipalValiant]

I dont know about you guys but I've been waiting years for something like this to happen and if it does I'll be more than satisfied sitting back, watching the shitstorm and maybe marauding a bit.

:confused: PANICPANICPANICPANICAHAAAHAHAAAAAAA :confused:

[The_Madz]

although it's fun to speculate no one can predict the future and i sincerly hate when reports try to breed fear into people.

Y2K was a prime example of idiots storming up fear in people.
Cold War and the fear of Communists.


the middleeast will continue to have wars fought until they wipe each other out. IT's been like that for longer than most of you have been alive.

some nutjob always comes out iwth a report or article or book even on how the world is going to end.
Just becasuse something is in print does not make it more true, nor does it matter if the person has a PHd. I'm sure everyone has met a professor here and there who were just plain nuts.

[FastFokker]

C'mon.. Iran is smack dag between Iraq and Afghanistan.. you're telling me America isn't going to invade? :lol:

Here's a map I made for you:

http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/8381/iran1xm.gif

It's one thing to scream the sky is falling when it's clearly not, it's another thing to scream the sky is falling when it is.

[st7860]

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/

[eXpedite]

Interesting. Why hasn't this made mainstream media?

[st7860]

Interesting. Why hasn't this made mainstream media?

the abovetopsecret page has a lot of conspiracy stuff, new world order stuff, etc. tons of stuff that doesn't appear in the mainstream media. its a very active discussion board for politics, especially oil.

[eXpedite]

Yeah, I skimmed through that for a few hours today, but much seems... a bit hard to swallow. If there was truth to this, I'd expect to see much if it on some international news services. Perhaps not CNN or MSNBC, but... somewhere other than Conspiracy Theorists? No??

[st7860]

Yeah, I skimmed through that for a few hours today, but much seems... a bit hard to swallow. If there was truth to this, I'd expect to see much if it on some international news services. Perhaps not CNN or MSNBC, but... somewhere other than Conspiracy Theorists? No??

they have a HUGE thread about the 9/11 Pentagon plane not being a big 'heavy' airliner. many people there are convinced it was a business jet(such as a gulfstream or a learjet). if you ask the people there why the mainstream media don't carry these stories, they'll say something about that its surpressed.

some people there even think the Soviet Union broke up on purpose so that the USA would disarm.

[eXpedite]

Since you brought up 9/11 - this is a very interesting flash about the Pentagon strike: http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon.php

It's not new, but worth seeing if this never came around your inbox...

[FastFokker]

Good video, worth watching by those who don't care to deal with much more information than a very short video.

The things that were supposedly done with that aircraft are just not possible, flying at top speed, you cannot just do a turn like a fighter jet, the plane would go into a highspeed stall. Considering the alleged pilot was completely inept, he would of most likely been unable to recover from a high speed stall.

Flying at top speed, to clear obstacles ahead of the Pentagon, you would have be coming in at quite an angle, you could not fly parallel to the ground, ahead of the Pentagon at ~550mph.

The point that it really didn't look like an airliner accident scene, that people on the ground claim to have smelled cordite, and that officials have never released good video clearly showing the aircraft flying into the building, all add up to reasonable questions.

Makes me wonder.

[ah802]

It's no big secret that Israel has said it will settle out the Iran nuclear enrichment problem mid March (they don't usually say something and sit on it).http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1920074,00.html

[Bullseye]

UYG...can we all point and laugh now? ;)

[hagbard]

No.

[danfromwaterloo]

The price of stamps will rise ever higher.

[synaptech]

UYG...can we all point and laugh now? ;)

Not for another 2 days.... maybe this was related to Tim's going public? :P

[mbg]

I doubt China will get on board with this, they need US to buy their goods.

They also have an interest in the US dollar being strong, seeing as they own so much US debt :)

[gei]

lol... i forgot about this stupid thread... lets keep bumping it so we can have a good laugh on the 27th (unless of course we are all dead)

[st7860]

Since you brought up 9/11 - this is a very interesting flash about the Pentagon strike: http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon.php

It's not new, but worth seeing if this never came around your inbox...

here's another one, but this one is 80 minutes. a lot of work went into it.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=911

[hagbard]

That's about the tenth time that's been posted here.

[ShadowVlican]

wut ****** believes this *****....

nonetheless... tis entertaining :lol:

[joo]

Well, the week's almost over and the only crisis has been the lack of Tim Horton's shares for their IPO.

Yup. End Of The World.

[yatko]

As you all know Iran hasn't made the move yet.

[FastFokker]

I was checking out a book the other day, called Defcon-2 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0471670227/002-4695006-2057609?v=glance&n=283155), which covered the entire Cuban Missile Crisis of the early 60's.. and specifically the only time America hit Defcon-2 on October 22, 1962, which is probably the closest we know we've come to destroying North America, at least which is widely known and accepted.

The possibility is very real and it doesn't take much and it doesn't take long for everything to unravel. Considering how weaponized so many nations are, and considering the aging systems and hardware and considering the current global instability, you'd have to be a ****** to think there's no possibility of nuclear destruction, today.

Just sayin...

[hagbard]

wut ****** believes this *****....

nonetheless... tis entertaining :lol:

The kind that don't know how to spell might simply ignore it.

[ShadowVlican]

The kind that don't know how to spell might simply ignore it.
why's there grammar police in every forum...

[FastFokker]

why's there grammar police in every forum...Hagbard's not the grammar police, he just typed what we all were thinking.

[Bullseye]

Hagbard's not the grammar police, he just typed what we all were thinking.

Ha! So true...

[mlc2000]

I've been asleep...did the US crumble in to a gooey pile?

[FastFokker]

There's definitely a crisis.. with a dark near future.

From the OP:
The Laboratoire européen d’Anticipation Politique Europe 2020 (LEAP/E2020) now estimates to over 80% the probability that the week of March 20-26, 2006 will be the beginning of the most significant political crisis the world has known since the Fall of the Iron Curtain in 1989, together with an economic and financial crisis of a scope comparable with that of 1929. This last week of March 2006 will be the turning-point of a number of critical developments, resulting in an acceleration of all the factors leading to a major crisis, disregard any American or Israeli military intervention against Iran. In case such an intervention is conducted, the probability of a major crisis to start rises up to 100%, according to LEAP/E2020.Sounds about right still.

[konfusion666]

you have a time machine and are living in the past, FF? :lol:

[FastFokker]

you have a time machine and are living in the past, FF? :lol:You have konfused me. :confused:

[thelefteyeguy]

I just got an email from thelefteyeguy at the 4th dimension, his currency is worth less than toilet paper....he's angry he didnt hold gold instead.

glad it didn't happen here. :|