Disatified with a mark, Dispute? Pt2 as well.

[Sajjad]

Received an essay back today, thoroughly disatisfied with my 68. I showed it to a friend who received an 80, said it's just as good as his. My question is, should I ask her why I have such a low mark? I can hardly see anything except grammar errors. Ie, you must use present tense, no past tense (..ed)...so one sentence I use "blood is first visble..so and so scene"; she crosses out visible and puts, "put mentioned". Then later on she crosses out another word and puts, "no past tense.


MAJOR EDIT: MARK WAS 63, WENT AHEAD OF MYSELF.

Here is the actual essay, tell me what you think it deserves at the Sr. Secondary Level.


In Shakespeare’s ‘Macbeth’, the actions that Macbeth commits, base on the time of day, objects and events. The atrocities that Macbeth commits during the night, the guilt caused by blood, and the events of hallucinations, influence Macbeth to commit evil actions in pursuit of gaining fortune and fame.

The occasions when Macbeth meets with the witches all incorporate the feeling of darkness. It is during the middle of the night, during this time weather conditions are frightening and horrendous while thunder claps as the clouds cover the sky. These instances of dark and dreadful weather during the night-time create a feeling of evil, which relates to Macbeth’s actions that occur during this time of day. During a rendezvous with the three witches Macbeth says in fury “How now, you secret, black, and midnight hags?” (4.1.48); as you can tell by Macbeth’s choice of words, how he uses the keyword midnight and his tone of voice, it is clearly evident that the night time angers Macbeth. Like all visits with the witches, they all take place during night, moreover the meetings with the witches provides the fuel for Macbeth to commit more atrocious and heinous acts to achieve the throne, for instance when the witches told him that no one of woman born can murder him. Also, King Duncan, one of Macbeth’s greatest rivals, assassination occurs during the early hours of the night. Macbeth visits the witches during the night to hear their prophecies which ultimately provides the driving force to commit more sinful acts, also Macbeth kills King Duncan during night to help achieve the throne, this should make one believe that the night-time influences the acts of Macbeth in a way and is the time for malicious activities to take place.


Blood is a recurring object that appears in Macbeth, which signifies an event or an action. For instance, in the opening scenes of the play, blood is first visible during the battle between the Norwegians and the Scots. Furthermore, when Macbeth and his assailant Lady Macbeth embark on their plan of killing Duncan, blood became a symbol of their guilt. Their crimes stain them in a way that they cannot wash it away from their hands; “Will all great Neptune’s ocean wash this blood clean from my hand? (2.2.64-65)”; says Macbeth after he kills King Duncan. Emotionally, Macbeth is in frustration by having blood on his hands; it is his conscience which makes him feel guilty for murdering Duncan. Also, Macbeth’s wife says “Out damned spot! Out, I say!...Yet who would have thought the old man to have had so much blood in him” (5.1.34-39); while she is sleepwalking around the halls of the castle. Again, the blood is a symbol of guilt, which does not remove from their consciences; it symbolizes a permanent stain and which is influential in many ways, in this case it frustrates Macbeth and effects Lady Macbeth mentally.

Hallucinations also play a role in Macbeth’s actions. When Macbeth is set to embark upon the murder of Duncan, he sees a dagger covered in blood that is floating in the air, it influences Macbeth by tempting him to clutch the dagger and let his desire for power take over himself and kill Duncan “Is that a dagger which I see before me, The handle toward my hand? Come, let me clutch the…Thou marshall’st me the way that I was going” (2.134-43). Macbeth speculates whether or not he is really seeing a floating dagger pointing towards the King’s Chamber, the significance of the floating dagger pointing towards the King’s Chamber that he is seeing during this hallucination is that it represents the sinister and vicious route that Macbeth is about embark to upon. Also, at the royal feast, the ghost of Banquo haunts Macbeth. Macbeth who is in fear, starts staggering his guests, Lady Macbeth attempts to defend her husband by stating that he is known to have occasions where he sees visions, and that they should ignore it. As things get worse, Lady Macbeth urges the guest to leave the premises. As a result Macbeth who is in confusion and distress states, “I will tomorrow- And betimes I will- to the Weird Sisters. More shall they speak, for now I am bent to know by the worst means the worst (3.4.133-136)”; he decides that he is going to visit the three witches, to learn about what is yet to come and if there are any plots against him. This aspect is very important to the fall of Macbeth, as the witches’ prophesize that no one of “woman-born” can kill him. Consequently, Duncan later on beheads and kills Macbeth. As you can see, hallucinations in Macbeth influence him to follow the path to events which cause more damage to Macbeth in pursuit of the throne.

In conclusion, the actions that Macbeth commits in the play relate to signs, and premonitions that appear or occur in the play. During the night, it causes Macbeth to commit malicious acts such as the murder of Banquo and visiting the witches to hear more prophecies which motivate him to commit more evil deeds for the throne. Blood is a symbol of guilt, as when they are trying to wash away the blood which stains them as reminder of their evil deeds. And hallucinations provide the motivation to commit evil deeds to gain the throne, such as the floating dagger which marshals Macbeth on the route to kill King Duncan, by pointing towards his chamber; and at the Royal Feast when Macbeth sees Banquo’s Ghost and Macbeth sees it as a reason to consult with the witches, who prophesize that Macbeth that no one of “woman-born” shall kill him, which ultimately lead to the death of Macbeth as his assassinator was born via cesarean. One must understand that, Macbeth’s actions during the play were clearly not random actions; they are from a series of omens and signs that appear throughout the play.

part 2
To read a Shakespearean novel effectively and thoroughly; we needed to have some background knowledge about the culture and civilization of the Elizabethan era; due to the fact that there are events and phrases that we are not accustomed to and have difficulty grasping. To overcome this problem, we studied important aspects of ‘Elizabethan’ civilization and culture, including spiritual beliefs and entertainment. As a result, we were able to effectively read Macbeth in depth, because we had some background information about what was taking place. However, reading Macbeth is a difficult task for many people including me, unlike previous novels I have read; which are either in third or first person, and are written in a more modern style of English. Macbeth on the other hand is written in the format of a theatrical play and in a classical style of English. Consequently, readers will have a more difficult time interpreting the content of the novel, as they are not accustomed to that level of language. Furthermore, readers will have to spend more time and concerted effort trying to read this book, and as a result the message or moral Shakespeare is trying to convey will be fully understood and communicated. I find this aspect really beneficial with regards to the real world, reading Macbeth was as a three-step process. Firstly, I had to read the scene or lines, then I had to translate into a level of language that was suitable and lastly I had to interpret the quotes for its significance, importance and meaning. Following that method of reading, I practiced and gained the skill of reading a piece of writing in-depth and critically. This definitely helps me for the road ahead; as I have gained more expertise in reading pieces of writing that require extensive thought analysis, not only for academic purposes but for personal enjoyment as well. So as you can see, the societal and historical context of the writer, in this case Shakespeare, effects the interpretation of the material due to the fact that is in another language, which is very poetic and metaphorical, and as a result it requires the reader to put in extensive thought in order to fully understand the quote or even the plot for it’s meaning.


Ok, this is the 2nd part of the assignment
a reflection based on what we've supposedly learned.
hows this though?
supposed to be how this stuff relates to the real world
Questions was:
§ How does the historical and social context of the writer influence the writing of the text and the reading or interpretation of the text?


i got flat 80 if matters.

[ryan123]

I think ur first sentence is wrong
In Shakespeare’s ‘Macbeth’, the actions that Macbeth commits, base on the time of day, objects and events.

the actions that Macbeth commit instead of commits
Also that's not even a complete sentence.
I stopped reading after ur first sentence

[Jebus]

Grammar are important and the marks add up.

[Sajjad]

I think ur first sentence is wrong
In Shakespeare’s ‘Macbeth’, the actions that Macbeth commits, base on the time of day, objects and events.

the actions that Macbeth commit instead of commits
Also that's not even a complete sentence.
I stopped reading after ur first sentence

the actions that Macbeh commit, base on the time of day...
sounds even more awkward as it is.

[FearSonic]

Shouldn't it be 'based on the time of day'?

[The_Madz]

it woudl be extremely hard to say what the mark shoudl be without knowing what the teacher was lookign for or what exactly you were asked to write about.

i woudl suggest you ask the teacher politely on how you can improve your essay since you were surprised about your mark. listen to her advice, ask her to read it over with you.

although it's not professional a mark can also be influenced in what order the teacher read the essays.. if yours was right after a couple of outstanding pieces of literature then you probably recieved a lower mark as yours seemed worse, whereas your friends could be the better of a long row of really sh*tty ones and therefore looked better.

[Sajjad]

Shouldn't it be 'based on the time of day'?


Agreed, it sounds better and makes sense. But no, it must be PRESENT tense.
Excellent, first I have to decode the book, then convert everything to make sure it's present tense.

[FearSonic]

Agreed, it sounds better and makes sense. But no, it must be PRESENT tense.
Excellent, first I have to decode the book, then convert everything to make sure it's present tense.

Then you have to say 'are based', that's present tense. It just doesn't make sense otherwise, I think.

[Shaner]

Are you in high school, college or University?

If grade 10 or under, it's good. Anything above, it's pretty shabby man.
For grade 11 or higher, I wouldn't give it anything above what you got.

For University or College, I would have given you an F, period!

You really shouldn't write "in conclusion," as the beginning of your conclusion. Surely you can find a more subtle way of opening your conclusion.

Also, you don't really have an introduction. I'm also not really sure what your thesis is, or if you even have one.

I also find about half of your sentences awkward to read. I'm not even sure what that first sentence means or even if it is a sentence.

Take your mark, learn from it and improve the next one.
If you're in grade 11 advanced (or University level) or above, you may want to consider getting a tutor to help you out.

[Sajjad]

^It happened because I tried to make it sound present tense.
I don't plan on pursuing this either, so don't worry. :lol:

[gman]

Well, 80 and 68 have 12 points difference. There probably are 12 points difference in terms of getting the idea across between 2 essays.

[Sajjad]

Are you in high school, college or University?

If grade 10 or under, it's good. Anything above, it's pretty shabby man.
For grade 11 or higher, I wouldn't give it anything above what you got.

For University or College, I would have given you an F, period!

You really shouldn't write "in conclusion," as the beginning of your conclusion. Surely you can find a more subtle way of opening your conclusion.

Also, you don't really have an introduction. I'm also not really sure what your thesis is, or if you even have one.

I also find about half of your sentences awkward to read. I'm not even sure what that first sentence means or even if it is a sentence.

Take your mark, learn from it and improve the next one.
If you're in grade 11 advanced (or University level) or above, you may want to consider getting a tutor to help you out.

I had a paragraph as my introduction, then she said no be direct. Get rid of all that, I did as she said, and that is what is left behind.

[sxz]

I read the first three paragraphs and I noticed several errors in it. First off you used MUCH more commas than you needed to. Instead you should replace some of the commas with periods to seperate some of the sentences.

Macbeth visits the witches during the night to hear their prophecies which ultimately provides the driving force to commit more sinful acts. Also Macbeth kills King Duncan during night to help achieve the throne. This should make one believe that the night-time influences the acts of Macbeth and is the time for malicious activities to take place.

You also need to make your ideas flow in a more organized fashion. You jumped from talking about the witches and their prophecies to talking about Duncan's murder and then back to night.

I'd say a 70 or so sounds about right.

[Sajjad]

It's not my fault, I've never learned how to write an essay.
The Canadian government insists we must read Macbeth and Poetry. That's why majority of the people fail the literacy test, because they don't know any of this stuff.

[FearSonic]

It's not my fault, I've never learned how to write an essay.
The Canadian government insists we must read Macbeth and Poetry. That's why majority of the people fail the literacy test, because they don't know any of this stuff.

Don't blame the government for your own fallacies! :lol:

GUARDS! OFF WITH HIS HEAD!

[sxz]

It's not my fault, I've never learned how to write an essay.
The Canadian government insists we must read Macbeth and Poetry. That's why majority of the people fail the literacy test, because they don't know any of this stuff.
I highly doubt teachers haven't taught you how to write an essay. How else could you have made it up to Gr. 11? Whether or not you plan to pursue anything English related is up to you but do remember that if you plan on applying to university that every program requires a decent Gr. 12 English mark.

[Sajjad]

Don't blame the government for your own fallacies! :lol:

GUARDS! OFF WITH HIS HEAD!


It's true, I know many people who've passed English courses. But fail the literacy test, a simple pass/fail test based on Grade 8 Material.

I blam the Canadian government for all of this.

[Sajjad]

I highly doubt teachers haven't taught you how to write an essay. How else could you have made it up to Gr. 11? Whether or not you plan to pursue anything English related is up to you but do remember that if you plan on applying to university that every program requires a decent Gr. 12 English mark.



I'll show you my notes from grade 9-to now, not a single note on how to write. How did I make it to grade 11, ********+plagiarism+google.
And about Grade 12, i don't even want to think about that nightmare.

[gman]

It's not my fault, I've never learned how to write an essay.
The Canadian government insists we must read Macbeth and Poetry. That's why majority of the people fail the literacy test, because they don't know any of this stuff.

Well, my elder daughter wrote decent essay since grade 6 (the first time I actually paid some attention to what she wrote :o ). I don't know she was taught how she should write or not. Based on what I write here, you should know I could not be her helper. :o I do know she read a lot of books in her spare time herself and I mean a lot.

[Sajjad]

Well, my elder daughter wrote decent essay since grade 6 (the first time I actually paid some attention to what she wrote :o ). I don't know she was taught how she should write or not. Based on what I write here, you should know I could not be her helper. :o I do know she read a lot of books in her spare time herself and I mean a lot.
I'm not talking about going to parents, i meant going to google, and just pasting whatever I find. Alter a couple words here and there.
Unfortunately it didn't work here.

[sxz]

I'm not talking about going to parents, i meant going to google, and just pasting whatever I find. Alter a couple words here and there.
Unfortunately it didn't work here.
Now you can see that plagiarism only gets you so far. Prepare to be screwed in Gr. 12.

[ryan123]

Im not sure where u live but for Ontario, the literacy test for grade 6 and 10 have nothing to do with poetry and shakespeare.

[gman]

I'm not talking about going to parents, i meant going to google, and just pasting whatever I find. Alter a couple words here and there.
Unfortunately it didn't work here.

First, you should not do that. You need to write your own. Teacher can see it as (1) you write bad sentances; (2) you were writing something in a style that does not belong to your age (i.e. copying). Considering your job as (1) is better than (2).

Second, my reply was not intended for the post immediately above mine. I wrote that before I saw your 'google' post. I replied to what I quoted.

[ryan123]

It's true, I know many people who've passed English courses. But fail the literacy test, a simple pass/fail test based on Grade 8 Material.

I blam the Canadian government for all of this.
Im sorry but as long as u were not stoned when u were writing the literacy test u should pass it. It is designed for people to pass. I know people who just moved from china and still pass the literacy test....

[Sajjad]

Im sorry but as long as u were not stoned when u were writing the literacy test u should pass it. It is designed for people to pass. I know people who just moved from china and still pass the literacy test....



where did I say failed it?

[Sajjad]

Ie right now.
Tlaking to a bud on MSN.
He says : Why is it important to have MAC for drinking water? (max acceptable conc.)
:|
And this is the guy who got 80 on the essay.
Now following the process most students will do, just ask their friends and get it from them.


See my point, writing these essays is BS.

[cheeseshredder]

Stop ragging on him. English class is so pointless now that it's not even funny.
I haven't learned any literary terms except briefly in grade 8, and I haven't learned how to write a proper essay, as well as the proper grammar rules.

When teachers see that students have no idea about literary terms and the rules of grammar, all they can muster up is a "you should know this from before."

Well the thing is, we don't. English is so inconsistent from teacher to teacher, with marking and curriculum. Writing exams = mostly marked on your ideas and if you are explicit enough. It's funny how we spend so much time on Shakespeare and poetry. What's even worse are those useless projects that take up SO MUCH TIME, and are marked based on how fancy/creative you made it. So basically, if you can draw and design things well... You'll get an A.

I've learned more English from Financial Accounting class because my teacher is strict on English and has tons of writing assignments, I also write quite a lot for socials. English? Nope.

[sw1ft]

Just read the first paragraph then couldn't read any more -- it was overly fragmented and awkward to read. Also, I noticed that the essay does not "flow" very well because it is lacking some VERY IMPORTANT TRANSITION WORDS.

[HBP]

Your essay is weak. You have no argument.

Accept it and be glad you're in grade 11.

Never compare yourself with another student. What you may think is equal, may not really be equal.

Learn to write a basic essay. I've seen mediocre essays get ~85

[Sajjad]

Just read the first paragraph then couldn't read any more -- it was overly fragmented and awkward to read. Also, I noticed that the essay does not "flow" very well because it is lacking some VERY IMPORTANT TRANSITION WORDS.


I've answered that before, it's because we were required to use present tense only.
illustration:

I have made an answer to this, because we are told to use present tense only.

Which sounds better

[gman]

Ie right now.
Tlaking to a bud on MSN.
He says : Why is it important to have MAC for drinking water? (max acceptable conc.)
:|
And this is the guy who got 80 on the essay.
Now following the process most students will do, just ask their friends and get it from them.


See my point, writing these essays is BS.

Not really. What is your point? Are you saying there is a guy got 80 on essay but he is lousy in another subject?

[Sajjad]

Not really. What is your point? Are you saying there is a guy got 80 on essay but he is lousy in another subject?


COmmon sense
What's the effect of having high concentrations of a chemical in water?

[gman]

COmmon sense
What's the effect of having high concentrations of a chemical in water?

Let me try again.

Are you saying there is a guy who got 80 on essay but he does not have common sense? What is the relationship between writing an essay and common sense?

[UrbanPoet]

in high school you cant really do much. In university you can, but you better have back up to as why !!!

[Defiant]

Sorry man, but thats about a C essay to me.

If you intend on going to university, I would STRONGLY urge you to really get a tutor and work on your english skills. The key to writing good essays is practice and revision. Don't be discouraged by your mark, better yourself for next time.

[x86asm]

Stop ragging on him. English class is so pointless now that it's not even funny.
I haven't learned any literary terms except briefly in grade 8, and I haven't learned how to write a proper essay, as well as the proper grammar rules.

When teachers see that students have no idea about literary terms and the rules of grammar, all they can muster up is a "you should know this from before."

Well the thing is, we don't. English is so inconsistent from teacher to teacher, with marking and curriculum. Writing exams = mostly marked on your ideas and if you are explicit enough. It's funny how we spend so much time on Shakespeare and poetry. What's even worse are those useless projects that take up SO MUCH TIME, and are marked based on how fancy/creative you made it. So basically, if you can draw and design things well... You'll get an A.

I've learned more English from Financial Accounting class because my teacher is strict on English and has tons of writing assignments, I also write quite a lot for socials. English? Nope.


Well yes, English class is useless. Nothing is taught that could be applied to real stuff. I really never enjoyed the class for this reason alone. And Shakespeare made my brain overheat.

[Sajjad]

Let me try again.

Are you saying there is a guy who got 80 on essay but he does not have common sense? What is the relationship between writing an essay and common sense?


That's what the literacy test is about
and that's why English class in Ontario is BS.
Rather than learning anything useful, or atleast meaningful.
You're learning not but garbage that has no use.

[gman]

I've answered that before, it's because we were required to use present tense only.
illustration:

I have made an answer to this, because we are told to use present tense only.

Which sounds better

Why using present tense will make "it overly fragmented and awkward to read"?
How can "present tense" make the essay not to "flow" very well?

[cheeseshredder]

Well yes, English class is useless. Nothing is taught that could be applied to real stuff. I really never enjoyed the class for this reason alone. And Shakespeare made my brain overheat.

Too bad the most subjective and inconsistent subject is what counts the most towards University admission. :| Either I get a horrible teacher and end up with low marks, a teacher who makes you watch films all the time and get 90%+, or I can the oh so rare good teacher.

[gman]

That's what the literacy test is about
and that's why English class in Ontario is BS.
Rather than learning anything useful, or atleast meaningful.
You're learning not but garbage that has no use.

I think it is important because you have just required 3 tries to make this idea across.

[Sajjad]

Why using present tense will make "it overly fragmented and awkward to read"?
How can "present tense" make the essay not to "flow" very well?

Fine, from now on post only in present tense.

tell me how long you last.

[HBP]

Fine, from now on post only in present tense.

tell me how long you last.

Writing in present tense is the easiest tense to write in.

[Sajjad]

I think it is important because you have just required 3 tries to make this idea across.


I've never been taught how to properly express thoughts.

[Squiggles]

Wow.

As much as it pains me to suggest someone avoid RFD -- Sajjad, get the heck away from your computer and go read a book. The more you read, the better you will understand how to write correctly.

[wbastien]

http://www.eqao.com , practice for your literacy test, do the booklets, and ask your english teacher to look at it.

[Sajjad]

http://www.eqao.com , practice for your literacy test, do the booklets, and ask your english teacher to look at it.



omg
i didn't fail it!
You guys want to see the doc?
I just used it as an example.

[lip1978]

In Shakespeare’s ‘Macbeth’, the actions that Macbeth commits, base on the time of day, objects and events
------------

Your opening sentence, arguably, the most important one, doesn't make any sense. You deserve to get hit hard for that.

[Sajjad]

In Shakespeare’s ‘Macbeth’, the actions that Macbeth commits, base on the time of day, objects and events
------------

Your opening sentence, arguably, the most important one, doesn't make any sense. You deserve to get hit hard for that.



!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's because it's in present tense!
And I had something else, but she told me to be direct. I made it direct as I could.

[wbastien]

omg
i didn't fail it!
You guys want to see the doc?
I just used it as an example.
sorry, i just saw some posts about the literacy test and the skill of your writing looked very grade 10.

[HBP]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's because it's in present tense!
And I had something else, but she told me to be direct. I made it direct as I could.

What the hell are you talking about. That sentence isn't even complete. You should say, the actions he commits are based on ....

But based isn't even the right word. Didn't you have someone look at it for you?

[Sajjad]

What the hell are you talking about. That sentence isn't even complete. You should say, the actions he commits are based on ....

But based isn't even the right word. Didn't you have someone look at it for you?


Yes, the teacher.

[Sajjad]

sorry, i just saw some posts about the literacy test and the skill of your writing looked very grade 10.


Yes, I know.
And it's not my fault; it's the Governments.

[lip1978]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In Shakespeare’s ‘Macbeth’, the actions that Macbeth commits, base on the time of day, objects and events

It's because it's in present tense!
And I had something else, but she told me to be direct. I made it direct as I could.

the verb is based. The noun is actions. Therefore, it should be plural, are based.
Based is a being verb, different than an action verb. (I think that's how it goes)

[Sajjad]

the verb is based. The noun is actions. Therefore, it should be plural, are based.
Based is a being verb, different than an action verb. (I think that's how it goes)


what the hells an action verb

[wbastien]

Yes, I know.
And it's not my fault; it's the Governments.
stop blaming other people.

[Sajjad]

stop blaming other people.


who makes the curiculum?

[Squiggles]

I thought I told you to go read a book!!!!

[Sajjad]

I thought I told you to go read a book!!!!

I can't, no matter what.
my att. span is probably 5 mins

[wbastien]

who makes the curiculum?
who is supposed to DO the curriculum?

[Sajjad]

To read a Shakespearean novel effectively and thoroughly; we needed to have some background knowledge about the culture and civilization of the Elizabethan era; due to the fact that there are events and phrases that we are not accustomed to and have difficulty grasping. To overcome this problem, we studied important aspects of ‘Elizabethan’ civilization and culture, including spiritual beliefs and entertainment. As a result, we were able to effectively read Macbeth in depth, because we had some background information about what was taking place. However, reading Macbeth is a difficult task for many people including me, unlike previous novels I have read; which are either in third or first person, and are written in a more modern style of English. Macbeth on the other hand is written in the format of a theatrical play and in a classical style of English. Consequently, readers will have a more difficult time interpreting the content of the novel, as they are not accustomed to that level of language. Furthermore, readers will have to spend more time and concerted effort trying to read this book, and as a result the message or moral Shakespeare is trying to convey will be fully understood and communicated. I find this aspect really beneficial with regards to the real world, reading Macbeth was as a three-step process. Firstly, I had to read the scene or lines, then I had to translate into a level of language that was suitable and lastly I had to interpret the quotes for its significance, importance and meaning. Following that method of reading, I practiced and gained the skill of reading a piece of writing in-depth and critically. This definitely helps me for the road ahead; as I have gained more expertise in reading pieces of writing that require extensive thought analysis, not only for academic purposes but for personal enjoyment as well. So as you can see, the societal and historical context of the writer, in this case Shakespeare, effects the interpretation of the material due to the fact that is in another language, which is very poetic and metaphorical, and as a result it requires the reader to put in extensive thought in order to fully understand the quote or even the plot for it’s meaning.


Ok, this is the 2nd part of the assignment
a reflection based on what we've supposedly learned.
hows this though?
supposed to be how this stuff relates to the real world
Questions was:
§ How does the historical and social context of the writer influence the writing of the text and the reading or interpretation of the text?


i got flat 80 if matters.

[drucillica]

I can't, no matter what.
my att. span is probably 5 mins

well boo hoo then.
No wonder you can't create a properly structured sentence. I've never seen so many run-ons in my life!

[Squiggles]

I can't, no matter what.
my att. span is probably 5 mins


And yet you blame your marks on the government......

[lip1978]

what the hells an action verb

RFD users are waiting for Sajjad to read a book.

"are waiting" is an action verb.

[Sajjad]

who is supposed to DO the curriculum?

me
but I don't know what you're saying
...only reason I can't do write an essay properly is because it was never taught before in the curriculum.

[Sajjad]

fine, hows part 2 though
it is it better, what are my weakness yada yada

[divx]

fine, hows part 2 though
it is it better, what are my weakness yada yada
Don't take English in university, problem solved.

*Assuming you can make into university.

[lip1978]

To read a Shakespearean novel effectively and thoroughly; we needed to have some background knowledge about the culture and civilization of the Elizabethan era; due to the fact that there are events and phrases that we are not accustomed to and have difficulty grasping. To overcome this problem, we studied important aspects of ‘Elizabethan’ civilization and culture, including spiritual beliefs and entertainment. As a result, we were able to effectively read Macbeth in depth, because we had some background information about what was taking place. However, reading Macbeth is a difficult task for many people including me, unlike previous novels I have read; which are either in third or first person, and are written in a more modern style of English. Macbeth on the other hand is written in the format of a theatrical play and in a classical style of English. Consequently, readers will have a more difficult time interpreting the content of the novel, as they are not accustomed to that level of language. Furthermore, readers will have to spend more time and concerted effort trying to read this book, and as a result the message or moral Shakespeare is trying to convey will be fully understood and communicated. I find this aspect really beneficial with regards to the real world, reading Macbeth was as a three-step process. Firstly, I had to read the scene or lines, then I had to translate into a level of language that was suitable and lastly I had to interpret the quotes for its significance, importance and meaning. Following that method of reading, I practiced and gained the skill of reading a piece of writing in-depth and critically. This definitely helps me for the road ahead; as I have gained more expertise in reading pieces of writing that require extensive thought analysis, not only for academic purposes but for personal enjoyment as well. So as you can see, the societal and historical context of the writer, in this case Shakespeare, effects the interpretation of the material due to the fact that is in another language, which is very poetic and metaphorical, and as a result it requires the reader to put in extensive thought in order to fully understand the quote or even the plot for it’s meaning.



To read a Shakespearean novel effectively and thoroughly; we need to have some background knowledge about the culture and civilization of the Elizabethan era; due to the fact that there are events and phrases that we are not accustomed to and have difficulty grasping. runon sentenceTo overcome this problem, we studied important aspects of ‘Elizabethan’ civilization and culture, including spiritual beliefs and entertainment. As a result, we were able to effectively read Macbeth in depth, because we had some background information about what was taking place.

And the change in tense...

[drucillica]

fine, hows part 2 though
it is it better, what are my weakness yada yada


Well from the first "sentence" we have

To read a Shakespearean novel effectively and thoroughly; (sentence fragment) we needed to have some background knowledge about the culture and civilization of the Elizabethan era; (huh?) due to the fact that there are events and phrases that we are not accustomed to and have difficulty grasping. (sentence fragment)

Now, go learn to write a complete sentence (maybe by reading a book), then come back and try again. I think you went a little semicolon-happy there. It's called a "comma" and a "period".

By the way, couldn't get past the first sentence because your essay doesn't flow well and is very difficult to read.

[Sajjad]

Well from the first "sentence" we have



Now, go learn to write a complete sentence (maybe by reading a book), then come back and try again. I think you went a little semicolon-happy there. It's called a "comma" and a "period".

By the way, couldn't get past the first sentence because your essay doesn't flow well and is very difficult to read.

what's a sentence fragment...seriously.
btw, what's a paradigm shift as well?

huh..=we had to study the life during the Elizabethan times. What happened in the 1600's when some idiot decided to write a crappy play which makes no sense and sucks.
:twisted: :lol:

[Sajjad]

Don't take English in university, problem solved.

*Assuming you can make into university.
:lol:

Heh, I'm a 85-88 avg student right now; just need to keep it up for next year. ;)

[divx]

:lol:

Heh, I'm a 85-88 avg student right now; just need to keep it up for next year. ;)
Meh, in real life, you usually write technical reports.

[blexann]

your friend got an 80 ? then post your friends essay and we can compare the 2.

[drucillica]

what's a sentence fragment...seriously.
btw, what's a paradigm shift as well?



C'mon, I find it hard to believe that you don't know what a sentence fragment is. Fragments are incomplete sentences (pieces of sentences) that have become disconnected from the main clause. Fragments lack either a subject or a verb, or both

i.e. When Sajjad read a book

Simple concepts like "run-ons" and "fragments" were taught in my school. I find it very difficult to believe that at a senior level you still cannot write a properly structured sentence.

huh..=we had to study the life during the Elizabethan times. What happened in the 1600's when some idiot decided to write a crappy play which makes no sense and sucks.
:twisted: :lol:

"huh" referred to the fact that your sentences was neither here nor there. It was more of a confused "huh". I wouldn't diss Shakespeare just yet if I were you. Just because you don't get it or because it happened in 1600s doesn't mean it's pointless or that it sucks. Civilization, religion, and history are all ancient, yet somehow we still study it.

[blexann]

Is English your first language ?

[Sajjad]

i guess so

[blexann]

i guess so


Listen we are trying to help you here so try and cooperate

[Sajjad]

Listen we are trying to help you here so try and cooperate


Yes, English is my first language.
But I have to balance punjabi and hindi as well.

[blexann]

Yes, English is my first language.
But I have to balance punjabi and hindi as well.

the mark is about right- content looks good but your grammer is very bad - what grade is this for ?

[Sajjad]

the mark is about right- content looks good but your grammer is very bad - what grade is this for ?



3u

[blexann]

3u

3rd year university ?

[Sajjad]

3rd year university ?

:lol:

3 year SS, U-level.
eng3u

[divx]

:lol:

3 year SS, U-level.
eng3u
...

[winner2000]

Well I took some time and read it pretty carefully, and I gotta say that you probably didn't deserve more than a 70% anyways.

Technically a 70-79% is "meeting expectations" and that's exactly what you did...you didn't go that one extra step, both in your thought process or the actual composition of the essay. For a 3U class especially, I'm pretty sure you're expected to put together a better essay than that for an 80%.

Just my 2 cents.

[DJ_Peanuts22]

it's spelt "dissatisfied"