Why not use PM and Lock BST Forums?

[bembol]

Too many whoring/thread crapping in the BST Forums...why go through several pages, why not just communicate using PM, IM or E-Mail like in other BST sites (not sure if I'm allowed to name them)...???

[corrupt123]

no, keep replies. i hate the graigslist format.. never know whats sold or not, or how long it's been on sale for, or how much interest there is in it, etc etc.

[Badman]

Yea this style at least u can read the ppls personal opinions ;)

[gei]

I think in reality the problem is the opposite.

Too many people complain about this "threadcrapping" nonsense.

Like someone selling a ridiculously overpriced laptop. Then someone chimes in and points out why it's not worth that much. Thereby saving some poor sap from overpaying. What's so wrong about that? If people are selling something they should be able to defend the item and it's price. Period. I have never lied about an item I was selling, nor have I ever sold for an unreasonable price. And guess what? I have never seen any "threadcraps".

All this complaining about "threadcrapping" needs to stop.

[TheRaySta]

I think in reality the problem is the opposite.

Too many people complain about this "threadcrapping" nonsense.

Like someone selling a ridiculously overpriced laptop. Then someone chimes in and points out why it's not worth that much. Thereby saving some poor sap from overpaying. What's so wrong about that? If people are selling something they should be able to defend the item and it's price. Period. I have never lied about an item I was selling, nor have I ever sold for an unreasonable price. And guess what? I have never seen any "threadcraps".

All this complaining about "threadcrapping" needs to stop.

Agreed. It's sad to see people ripping noobies off :mad: .

[g5cubed]

Too many whoring/thread crapping in the BST Forums...why go through several pages, why not just communicate using PM, IM or E-Mail like in other BST sites (not sure if I'm allowed to name them)...???

Interesting...threadcrapping by the OP

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=255245

[d_chow]

Well not only that, if you lock it, for example you are selling something you can't bump it. Then people will just keep on making new threads selling the same thing over and over and over again. I hate see pages and pages of the same items.

[Amourek]

I wonder how many traders have saved money from replies in the BST forum alerting them to scammers.

[gei]

Interesting...threadcrapping by the OP

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=255245

lol... pwned.

Another perfect example of how stupid this whole "threadcrapping" issue is.

[bembol]

lol... pwned.

Another perfect example of how stupid this whole "threadcrapping" issue is.

pwned what? The man asked...?!?! I didn't even bother going on because of it.



This seems to be complicated by some...an example is Howard Forums' BST...!!! Sure I don't have to be here...this IS the Comments/Suggestion

[Ghetto_Child]

I can honestly say some of my items are high priced. However at the same time those high priced items are brand new sealed with full warranty so again you pay for what you get. I'm not about to sell anything high priced and tell the person it's the best deal around but I will tell them what the differences are. I offer my price because that's what I paid for it and it's available IF someone wants it at that price. If they want it lower they can just ask and I'll tell them if I can, no need to thread crap. I completely understand if you can find "better" for less or equal price but for those that must have this particular exact part because "better" is not compatible. Then my item is a good option for you.

I don't like theives, and nothing I have is illegal or stolen. In fact people have stolen items from me and I had to go buy it again from the retail store. Or I may have lost parts to a set so I was forced to buy the whole set all over again.

I'm completely against thread crapping and put downs but I'm not against people stating valid options. Again if you believe your statement is going to affect the price, the best thing to do is to send a PM to the seller, lowballing is just wrong.

You want to know how stupid 90% of the RFDers and ebayers are :mad: ? I was selling an xbox360 premium with extra non-related items for $800-$1500. Everything was at cost included the bundled items. No one took it but look at how many people paid that same price for the xbox360 alone without extra bundled items? Are people really that scared of getting extra items they don't know what to do with for free? :confused:

[Donkey_boy]

Mods here dont like you to give opinions......they will ban you!!! :D :D


Yea this style at least u can read the ppls personal opinions ;)

[veryhuman]

locking bst forums is a bad idea.

comments and suggestions are sometimes helpful, as for threadcrapping, you can report the post. and mod will remove it.

[THE JEW (RaVeN)]

I wonder how many traders have saved money from replies in the BST forum alerting them to scammers.

Truth+++

[Bincent]

I wonder if the OP is from Howard Forums?

Ever since they changed their BST to only PM's (and will ban you if you reply to a BST post), I've never gone back in. Stupidity if you ask me.

And I agree, what are you so worried about if you're asking a reasonable price and not trying to scam anyone. The way I see it, people who are afraid of threadcrapping are the scammers since they don't want to be found out. If you're legit, you should have no problem backing up your product.

[slothy@cutey]

Funny this issue should come up. There's a guys selling science kits for $10 a piece in the BST section when there's a thread in the "hot deals" started earlier showing the same items for $2 at Dollar Stores.

Now, I don't think it's "thread-crapping" to point out other options to sellers in an open-forum thread? Afterall, this IS a deals site. And we're not talking opinions here, the pricing is completely verifiable. BUT, apparently it IS thread-crapping. I had to remove my post, else risk getting "banned". So the end result, some poor schmo is going to pay 500% more for these items. I know there the "let the buyer beware" rule, but it seems wrong to condone the art of ripping buyers off (ironically in a "deals" website forum).

I love RFD, but this is wrong (my two cents, at least). Maybe there can be a banner warning or something advising buyers to do their research and that other users are not permitted to comment on over-inflated items. That way, it alerts people to the fact that just because no one has commented on the pricing of an item doesn't mean all these bright people and deal-hawks on this site agree that with the seller that it's a good deal! :confused:

[akz]

you guys are all forgetting... this is a DEAL forum.. but the BST section is not for deals... its for personal BST .... its like if I pay for an adv in thestar can thestar edit it and put "WAYYY OVER PRICED" ?? No .. its my ad.. the items are our own and can be sold at whatever price the seller chooses.. Even tho sometimes the price may be high (that does not mean that the seller did it intentionally) you can PM the seller and let them know they are selling above retail price just incase they didnt know or if it was a typeo.. but bashing their forsale thread ... thats just wrong. Im sure if youve been threadcrapped before you would understand what I mean... and I dont mean just "OVERPRICED" threadcrapping.. threadcrapping like personal attacks etc... but its good to see that the mods are doing something about them unlike before...

sure locking the threads has its ups and downs but I do like RFDs style people can show interest and can give props to respected sellers.. but bashing someone elses thread .. thats jut wrong .. if its a known scammer sure.. but if it isnt just mind your own business and if u really cant.. pm the seller.. its simple.. why start an online war?..

[slothy@cutey]

I agree with your stance on personal bashing. There should be no place for that here at RFD. BUT, even though it's a classifieds section, it IS NOT like an advertisement. Because you can't add comments to advertising. When you post, other people can post too - free forum for all members, right? Pointing out alternatives is a service to buyers. If a buyer wants to continue to sell at their price, they of course should be free to do so. My issue is with restricting others to point out a better alternative in the thread. If it's done politely, without casting judgement or personal attacks, than I think it should be fair game, no?


you guys are all forgetting... this is a DEAL forum.. but the BST section is not for deals... its for personal BST .... its like if I pay for an adv in thestar can thestar edit it and put "WAYYY OVER PRICED" ?? No .. its my ad.. the items are our own and can be sold at whatever price the seller chooses.. Even tho sometimes the price may be high (that does not mean that the seller did it intentionally) you can PM the seller and let them know they are selling above retail price just incase they didnt know or if it was a typeo.. but bashing their forsale thread ... thats just wrong. Im sure if youve been threadcrapped before you would understand what I mean... and I dont mean just "OVERPRICED" threadcrapping.. threadcrapping like personal attacks etc... but its good to see that the mods are doing something about them unlike before...

sure locking the threads has its ups and downs but I do like RFDs style people can show interest and can give props to respected sellers.. but bashing someone elses thread .. thats jut wrong .. if its a known scammer sure.. but if it isnt just mind your own business and if u really cant.. pm the seller.. its simple.. why start an online war?..

[shaolinmonk]

i think the ability to post replies is good cause it's a good way to help prevent people from getting scammed

[akz]

I agree with your stance on personal bashing. There should be no place for that here at RFD. BUT, even though it's a classifieds section, it IS NOT like an advertisement. Because you can't add comments to advertising. When you post, other people can post too - free forum for all members, right? Pointing out alternatives is a service to buyers. If a buyer wants to continue to sell at their price, they of course should be free to do so. My issue is with restricting others to point out a better alternative in the thread. If it's done politely, without casting judgement or personal attacks, than I think it should be fair game, no?

its arite but in a sense you just "crapped" all over the guys thread .. then everyone will just stay away from what was possibly a typeo or he jsut didnt know.. then hell probably just end up creating a new thread which the RFD mods do not want... there is a reasonable and rational way to deal with it and its through pm which is fair game you dont affect anyone.. and I beleive if you ask the mods they will agree what people sell their things for is their own business so crapping in others threads isnt fair game, pming them would be.

Also regarding deals... people sell the same items here on rfd sometimes the differences in price can range upto 100$ .. does that mean that the other person is try to scam the newbes? NO.. that is not the case, as I am sure you all know why the price differs in some items. However even with the price difference there is still a deal with the +100$ item .. correct me if this is wrong cause the buyer believes it is still a cheaper alternative then retail. There are always the people who just dont care and may sell a $500 item for $300 then you get all sorts of Pm's telling you that ohh they can get it for $300... etc etc.. lol I guess ive made my point there.. but yeah a deal really depends on the person if they think its a deal its a deal .. and it is classifieds its personal bst so not really about deals jus aobut getting rid of and trading junk imo :)


..dang where did my screwed up avatar go >.<" I liked that too.. sigh

[Ryan]

its arite but in a sense you just "crapped" all over the guys thread .. then everyone will just stay away from what was possibly a typeo or he jsut didnt know.. then hell probably just end up creating a new thread which the RFD mods do not want... there is a reasonable and rational way to deal with it and its through pm which is fair game you dont affect anyone.. and I beleive if you ask the mods they will agree what people sell their things for is their own business so crapping in others threads isnt fair game, pming them would be.

Also regarding deals... people sell the same items here on rfd sometimes the differences in price can range upto 100$ .. does that mean that the other person is try to scam the newbes? NO.. that is not the case, as I am sure you all know why the price differs in some items. However even with the price difference there is still a deal with the +100$ item .. correct me if this is wrong cause the buyer believes it is still a cheaper alternative then retail. There are always the people who just dont care and may sell a $500 item for $300 then you get all sorts of Pm's telling you that ohh they can get it for $300... etc etc.. lol I guess ive made my point there.. but yeah a deal really depends on the person if they think its a deal its a deal .. and it is classifieds its personal bst so not really about deals jus aobut getting rid of and trading junk imo :)


..dang where did my screwed up avatar go >.<" I liked that too.. sigh

Yeah, most thread craps are someone pointing to someone else's BST (most stuff on BST isn't new afterall).

Anyway, it has to be fair to all parties, so no TCing.

We've been removing the screwed up avatars the last couple of days because they cause crashes and other issues on some computers. It's been many months now, so people should have fixed them. :)

[slothy@cutey]

Interesting perspective. In the case I was referring to, after I posted, I got a PM from the seller. We went back and forth. He knew he was selling way over-price, but claimed to have been "duped" himself buying at a higher price from a friend (non-RFD). So now he was trying to sell his items and I guess recoup his loss by charging more. He claimed that this justified his situation. He was well aware that they were much cheaper at Dollar Stores. I only removed my post after I emailed a mod and got clarification on what is the correct policy. It's a greyer area, but I believe I would still be at risk for "crapping" and thus banned if I kept my post up. (For clarification, discussing it vaguely here in this thread isn't "crapping" his thread). And also, my post stating the alternative option and price - now withdrawn - wasn't mean-spirited or bashing at all. I don't believe in that. My whole point was to try and help fellow RFD'ers with a completley true, factual account of a better deal in an openly accessible forum. I left it up to the buyer(s) to choose. If they can't find it anywhere and still want to pay the price the seller was pushing, than by all means they should be allowed to. I think I'd rather prefer providing a service to the RFD community (alerting of a ripoff) than refrain from saying anything to help this guys scam fellow RFD'ers and make a profit (or recoup his own losses) despite how he/she wishes to rationalize this. (Finally, his screen-name seems to be pretty revealing too and unlikely (imho) to be an "honest" mistake).




its arite but in a sense you just "crapped" all over the guys thread .. then everyone will just stay away from what was possibly a typeo or he jsut didnt know.. then hell probably just end up creating a new thread which the RFD mods do not want... there is a reasonable and rational way to deal with it and its through pm which is fair game you dont affect anyone.. and I beleive if you ask the mods they will agree what people sell their things for is their own business so crapping in others threads isnt fair game, pming them would be.

Also regarding deals... people sell the same items here on rfd sometimes the differences in price can range upto 100$ .. does that mean that the other person is try to scam the newbes? NO.. that is not the case, as I am sure you all know why the price differs in some items. However even with the price difference there is still a deal with the +100$ item .. correct me if this is wrong cause the buyer believes it is still a cheaper alternative then retail. There are always the people who just dont care and may sell a $500 item for $300 then you get all sorts of Pm's telling you that ohh they can get it for $300... etc etc.. lol I guess ive made my point there.. but yeah a deal really depends on the person if they think its a deal its a deal .. and it is classifieds its personal bst so not really about deals jus aobut getting rid of and trading junk imo :)


..dang where did my screwed up avatar go >.<" I liked that too.. sigh

[AG300]

Another problem here is lowballers. Almost 99% of the time on the BST here you are never going to get your asking price no matter if you put FIRM or not. (for example you list an ipod $300 firm and specifically state you will only accept that, some person still pm's you and offers you $260) So what I do to avoid this, (I know some of you may not like this) is to put an asking price at around 10% more than you actually expect to get from it. (example you expect to get $300 from your ipod, you list it for $330) I find this way, you have something to work around lowballers. I have done this and it works.

so you list the ipod at $330, some guy offers you $300, there you go.... :)

[Canadianpsycho]

What would you prefer:

a) Seeing a bumped post ("whoring" as you call it)

or

b) A new thread posted every day for the same item?

I think the should do what they did with Hot Deals... Let us list the posts by date created. Makes life so much easier.

[akz]

That situation was different... but still you have no right to crap in someones thread i know what you mean.. but crapping is crapping.. but this issue is already resolved from Ryans post above :) Giving a fair chance to buyers is a good thing but also giving fair chance to sellers is also a good thing... There are always HOT deals.. in the hot deals section say a 2gb usb key today is 53$ next week it will be another hot deal for the same product for $20 .. deals are never justified by you.. but by the person who believes its a deal then its a deal.. :) Theres nothing wrong with someone recouping their losses thats what everyone is doing on RFD :)

@AG300
Yeah I use that strategy quite often as well lowballers still come but now I post the usernames of the lowest lowballers the top5 in my thread lolz .. its just funny how some ppl can believe a 500$ item I will sell for $300 cuz they have "cash on hand" lol

Interesting perspective. In the case I was referring to, after I posted, I got a PM from the seller. We went back and forth. He knew he was selling way over-price, but claimed to have been "duped" himself buying at a higher price from a friend (non-RFD). So now he was trying to sell his items and I guess recoup his loss by charging more. He claimed that this justified his situation. He was well aware that they were much cheaper at Dollar Stores. I only removed my post after I emailed a mod and got clarification on what is the correct policy. It's a greyer area, but I believe I would still be at risk for "crapping" and thus banned if I kept my post up. (For clarification, discussing it vaguely here in this thread isn't "crapping" his thread). And also, my post stating the alternative option and price - now withdrawn - wasn't mean-spirited or bashing at all. I don't believe in that. My whole point was to try and help fellow RFD'ers with a completley true, factual account of a better deal in an openly accessible forum. I left it up to the buyer(s) to choose. If they can't find it anywhere and still want to pay the price the seller was pushing, than by all means they should be allowed to. I think I'd rather prefer providing a service to the RFD community (alerting of a ripoff) than refrain from saying anything to help this guys scam fellow RFD'ers and make a profit (or recoup his own losses) despite how he/she wishes to rationalize this. (Finally, his screen-name seems to be pretty revealing too and unlikely (imho) to be an "honest" mistake).

[EH100501AC]

What would you prefer:

a) Seeing a bumped post ("whoring" as you call it)

or

b) A new thread posted every day for the same item?

I think the should do what they did with Hot Deals... Let us list the posts by date created. Makes life so much easier.

lol wow The Jew Raven just whored like 10 threads. What a spammer lol

[slothy@cutey]

Lots of interesting food for thought here.

I still stand by my feeling on this one, but I do see that there are other points of views and perspectives. It's too bad there isn't a win-win solution.

Thanks for the discussion... :)

[masterballer]

if u want that goto HOFO

[lithohu]

Another problem here is lowballers. Almost 99% of the time on the BST here you are never going to get your asking price no matter if you put FIRM or not. (for example you list an ipod $300 firm and specifically state you will only accept that, some person still pm's you and offers you $260) So what I do to avoid this, (I know some of you may not like this) is to put an asking price at around 10% more than you actually expect to get from it. (example you expect to get $300 from your ipod, you list it for $330) I find this way, you have something to work around lowballers. I have done this and it works.

so you list the ipod at $330, some guy offers you $300, there you go.... :)

I never understood how people get annoyed at an offer. Regardless of lowball or not...its just an offer. As long as the person that's making the offer does it by PM it should be deserving of a response. Getting any kind of offer low or appropriate allows you to gauge if you are offering your item at a fair price or if there is interest. You can at that point choose to adjust your price, sell, or allow it to just sit with a thread of endless bumps. There is a reason why home sellers need agents....it's because they always get bent out of shape when an offer comes in thats too low for them. Don't get bent out of shape...it's just an offer.

[aznboi180]

yeah i think it's better this way, cause ppl can openly discuss the items.. etc. makes it harder for the scammers.. =)