Year of the DOG...It's what's for dinner ???

[Curiosity]

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Up to 10 million dogs are slaughtered every year in China, many killed slowly and cruelly to supposedly enhance the meat's flavour, according to animal rights groups.




Read this ??? EEEWWWWW... (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060127/lf_afp/afplifestylechinalunar_060127182821)


Comments ???

[gman]

Now, you know why you don't see any dragon. ;)

[CanadianMike]

people are going to fall into the typical arguments here.

really.. fine, some people are going to eat dogs. but at least, kill them humanely.

[coldWater]

Now, you know why you don't see any dragon. ;)

:lol: :lol: we still have beef, pork and chicken

[random1]

When I went to China with my parents, I almost had to eat dog meat. I just feigned a stomach ache and went back to the hotel to watch TV. Course I ate crocodile meat in Thailand with no problems though...so maybe I'm a huge hypocrite. I asked my parents if they had any pets when they were kids, and my mom had a small puppy that couldn't be slaughtered for meat because he was diseased. My dad had a very clever white dog that would make sad whining sounds if anyone tossed it dog meat/bones while other dogs wouldn't even know they're eating their own kind.

[steve.m]

what does dog taste like?

Is it more like chicken or cow?

[johnnyepy]

chinz are whack

[PennyArcade]

I ate dog meat when I was three. Supposedly I asked for seconds, but it was so good that there wasn't any left. I haven't ate it since and I don't think I could.

Koreans think of it as health food.

[gman]

:lol: :lol: we still have beef, pork and chicken

Also, rat, rabbit, tiger, snake, horse, lamb and monkey.

[JoKeRr]

the whole dog eating habit was infected from korea.

[gman]

the whole dog eating habit was infected from korea.
:confused: :confused:

[nexus-6]

the chinese love the tiger penis soup!! Its their absolute favorite.

I've heard a while ago, that tigers from india were killed and smuggled for their penises! EEEEWWW.

[DJ Trance AZ]

Hey, Koreans eat dogs too, and some others too.

I don't see what's wrong with eating dogs. Personally I haven't tried it but would I try it? I don't know.

I don't understand why people view it (eating dog) is wrong or even disguisting. When you look @ a culture, you look from their perspective and not from your own. It's only when you have comparison can one determine what is normal and abnormal.

Futhermore, every culture has their own unique practices...and one can't really judge their practice right or wrong, it's all relative to them.

With globalization, it's really eliminating a lot of cultures around the Earth...

.Eric

[nexus-6]

Hey, Koreans eat dogs too, and some others too.

I don't see what's wrong with eating dogs. Personally I haven't tried it but would I try it? I don't know.

I don't understand why people view it (eating dog) is wrong or even disguisting. When you look @ a culture, you look from their perspective and not from your own. It's only when you have comparison can one determine what is normal and abnormal.

.Eric

Its like ur justifying..that even if some culture ate HUMANS! Its absolutely fine and ok! LOL.hahahahhaahah

So, i hope ur not going to try humans too will ya?? :lol:

[curtis]

I think the problem is how they're killed... not eating them.

Hey, Koreans eat dogs too, and some others too.

I don't see what's wrong with eating dogs. Personally I haven't tried it but would I try it? I don't know.

I don't understand why people view it (eating dog) is wrong or even disguisting. When you look @ a culture, you look from their perspective and not from your own. It's only when you have comparison can one determine what is normal and abnormal.

Futhermore, every culture has their own unique practices...and one can't really judge their practice right or wrong, it's all relative to them.

With globalization, it's really eliminating a lot of cultures around the Earth...

.Eric

[DJ Trance AZ]

This can lead to a very good ethical discussion.

Actually, there might be still cultures out there that eat humans...who knows; but I really believe it's really relative to their culture.

.Eric

[nexus-6]

This can lead to a very good ethical discussion.

Actually, there might be still cultures out there that eat humans...who knows; but I really believe it's really relative to their culture.

.Eric

But, would u try Humans too?? :cheesygri ahahhaahha

[DJ Trance AZ]

In addition, who are we to judge whether it's right or wrong practice? What authority do we have that others don't have?

.Eric

[nexus-6]

ya thats true though. I dont believe any country can stop..china from killing dogs and eating them. ITs a cultural thing.

But, atleast we can urge them to kill dogs in humane way. Thats the best we can do..

[ryan123]

search dogs and chinese on rfd, u will see a lot of posts about this topic lol

[nexus-6]

oh man...thats kinda gross.

Cuz, i would NEVER NEVER kill a dog to eat it!

Dogs are the only MOST closest intelligent and sensible companions to humans. How could i kill them? :(

[JohnB]

oh man...thats kinda gross.

Cuz, i would NEVER NEVER kill a dog to eat it!

Dogs are the only MOST closest intelligent and sensible companions to humans. How could i kill them? :(

Id say dolphins or apes - but they arent companions to most people :)

Believe me if you were starving in China didnt eat for 3 days and had to keep going to work manual labor for 10 hours a day youd be dining on rover in quick order.

Id think its worse to eat dolphin fins or that stuff they do in Japan.

[nexus-6]

Ya that seems understandble. But, dont they have like chicken, pork or beef to eat?

Why also go for dogs?

[webdoctors]

damng ppl are sick.....

i;m glad i dont eat any meat :D

[JohnB]

Ya that seems understandble. But, dont they have like chicken, pork or beef to eat?

Why also go for dogs?

A dog is like a four legged chicken in some cultures they arent pets :)

Like a guard dog or a herding dog or a $1,000 Sheltie you dont eat but a common dog you find walking around is fair game...

Ever watch the movie Seven Samurai ? They pay the Samurais one handfull of rice to come work for them, in times of famine its all people had.

[CanadianMike]

as i said.. the issue isnt the actual consumption of the dogs. personally i have the "dogs are companions" view, but i realize other cultures arent necessarily going to share that.

the issue is whether the killings are humane or not.

[divx]

Ya that seems understandble. But, dont they have like chicken, pork or beef to eat?

Why also go for dogs?
why not? we humans are very good at killing and eating everything that moves, and the things don't move :lol:

[JohnB]

as i said.. the issue isnt the actual consumption of the dogs. personally i have the "dogs are companions" view, but i realize other cultures arent necessarily going to share that.

the issue is whether the killings are humane or not.

Yikes sorry about that, I didn’t even read page one - I didn’t see that picture in the first post. My browser just brought me to page 2 and I posted with out reading the whole thread.

I would not eat a dog killed in an inhumane manner. If its commercial slaughter I don’t think it’s appropriate in this day and age - my comments were more on a personal level if you lived on the farm in China...200 years ago.

But no, killing dogs in the torturous fashion depicted is certainly not just to people with an ethical or moral conscience. Eating a wild dog from the forest is one thing, raising dogs constantly abused and in terror is a different case all together.

[goob3r]

I can picture a situation where a Hindu on the other side of the world making similar statements about the west's barbaric desire for beef.

This is a dead argument. Unless it's about the inhumane ways they kill the dogs.

[JohnB]

I can picture a situation where a Hindu on the other side of the world making similar statements about the west's barbaric desire for beef.

This is a dead argument. Unless it's about the inhumane ways they kill the dogs.

It's about the inhumane ways they kill the dogs:

Second paragraph from the OPs link:

"The SPA does not set itself up as a judge of a country and its culture, but is asking for animals to be killed in a dignified way," the SPA said.

"Millions of dogs (in China) are hanged, beaten with sticks and butchered while they are still alive," it said in a press release

[divx]

ah good, so the animal support group didn't try to get china to ban (well, it's already banned), but to ask them to enforce humane killing.

[gman]

ah good, so the animal support group didn't try to get china to ban (well, it's already banned), but to ask them to enforce humane killing.

I don't think it is banned. Humane society here kills dogs too (in a humane way, of course) when the shelter cannot hold them all.

[divx]

there are so many animal out there I haven't tried yet, most are protected cause they going extinct, too bad......unless.....they allow mass clone of endangered species, increase their population by 100 fold, then we can taste all the animal in the world (excluding us and the apes of course).

[gman]

there are so many animal out there I haven't tried yet, most are protected cause they going extinct, too bad......unless.....they allow mass clone of endangered species, increase their population by 100 fold, then we can taste all the animal in the world (excluding us and the apes of course).

Why do you exclude apes? Discrimination of animal? ;)

[mingming]

Will we have this same arguement again next year of the Pig???

[jollyeskimo]

Will we have this same arguement again next year of the Pig???

Next year is boar... the year after is rat.... it's gonna be a rough two new years :rolleyes:



Factory farm conditions and practices in the west ain't that great either... so before everyone goes all "asian this...china that....dog this", think about the pools of feces that a lot of north american factory farm animals are raised in.

[veryhuman]

i ate snakes growing up. what's new? :confused:

[aquariaguy]

i ate snakes growing up. what's new? :confused:

Did you eat snake penis too?

[Rometiklan]

I know my place in the food chain. Sure, I would eat dog meat, given the right circumstances. It doesn't mean I would order dog meat if I'm ever in China, but I'm saying in an extreme situation, I would eat it. I guess when they say, "walking the dog" in China, they might mean "wokking the dog".

[Kinki]

Western Society is full of hypocrites. That's all I have to say... for now.

[DJ Trance AZ]

I don't understand why the animal activists would judge how others kill dogs in inhumane way...What is humane and what is inhumane? How do we know how the animals, that are being killed, feel? How would they judge whether such killing is ethical or unethical?

Different cultures have different practices; so are the animal activists saying that it's wrong for others to kill dogs in cruel way? People from the other side of the world may look @ us differently (i.e. the ways we do things, our practices) too...so really, it's all relative...

Anyway, this only reflects how I view the world.


.Eric

[gman]

Did you eat snake penis too?

Is there one? Usually, it is eaten in a form of snake soup. The meat is taken out to make a soup.

[gman]

I don't understand why the animal activists would judge how others kill dogs in inhumane way...What is humane and what is inhumane? How do we know how the animals, that are being killed, feel? How would they judge whether such killing is ethical or unethical?

Different cultures have different practices; so are the animal activists saying that it's wrong for others to kill dogs in cruel way? People from the other side of the world may look @ us differently (i.e. the ways we do things, our practices) too...so really, it's all relative...

Anyway, this only reflects how I view the world.


.Eric

It is about the pain. It is pretty easy to know if it is in pain when it is killed.

[DJ Trance AZ]

We are judging how other people practice with our own western ideologies; do western ideologies fit other cultures? May be or may be not.

Just turn on the TV and watch Discovery Channel. They often show how the prey is being caught and torn apart by the predictor.

Plus, many people often feel uneasy when seeing others who are suffering from pain; pain is a subjective experience and it means different things to different people. When I was in pain after the surgery, I was able to see the world from another perspective. That's why it's important to assess the meaning of pain in patients, then validate your inference with the patients.

Anyway, how can we validate our inference with the dogs? Simply, we cannot judge others with just our inference. Plus, who are we to judge other cultural practices?

.Eric

[divx]

Why do you exclude apes? Discrimination of animal? ;)
They are very much like human.

[felixdd]

Wow....compared to last time this was debated on, everyone now seems surprisingly tolerant!

We are judging how other people practice with our own western ideologies; do western ideologies fit other cultures? May be or may be not...Anyway, how can we validate our inference with the dogs? Simply, we cannot judge others with just our inference. Plus, who are we to judge other cultural practices?

No...we're "judging" them not based on ideology, but the fact that the dogs are being killed inhumanely.

SPA is trying to get them to enforce humane killings. They're not disallowing them from killing dogs outright. We're not judging their culture, but how they act out said culture.

[DJ Trance AZ]

But again, how can we validate our inference with the dogs? Why does SPA have to impose such a policy for how others killing the dogs, beside that they believe others aren't killing the dogs humanely?

I see that the SPA is trying to superimpose their ideology of humane killing into other cultures...Others may see that the way westerners kill their dogs are inhumane as well.

.Eric

[felixdd]

But again, how can we validate our inference with the dogs?

Based on the fact that we can tell when animals are feeling pain.

Think of it this way...either they can kill the dogs by lopping off their heads, or they can invoke "death by a thousand needles" on all of them. Both achieve the same results, but one of them involve unnecessary amounts of pain.

[DJ Trance AZ]

But again, pain is a subjective experience, to human that is. How can we apply the same model to dogs? How can we objectively measure the pain level in dogs?

[charger]

But again, pain is a subjective experience, to human that is. How can we apply the same model to dogs? How can we objectively measure the pain level in dogs?

Having owned a dog, I know firsthand that dogs can feel pain and are very emotional.

I have heard that pigs are even smarter than dogs, yet we eat them

It should be established that all animals need to be killed humanely.

[__wizard__]

According to most of the people here, I guess it's ok if some aliens (smarter than us) came to earth and beat us to death then eat us.

[DJ Trance AZ]

So does it mean SPA need to go to the wild and educate all those beasts to kill their preys inhumanely?

Once again, everyone perceives pain differently. Thus, we need to assess and validate the pain experience in each person. Now with dogs, they do not communicate in ways humans do. When one says s/he can feel the dog is in pain, one is applying his/her inference and it may or may not be right. Thus, one needs to validate that inference.

In my opinion, SPA is trying to streamline cultural practices, saying what practices are correct and incorrect, according to their own ideologies.

Why just pick dogs?

.Eric

[loot]

Besides, the dog meat is yummy.

Do tell me Dogs are the closest friends of human that kind of crap!

Are they humans? Do you eat any meat? If do, don't tell me any ****. :twisted:


For sure I will eat dog meat when I go back to China for visit. :D

[Emancipated]

While I think most of you can agree with me on this, any meat eater should not criticise another, dogs are just not socially kosher in North America. I think it's repulsive, but people who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

At least animal rights groups are also exposing KFC slaughter houses and not just focus on China's "horrible human rights" history.

[steve.m]

kind of freaky when checking the instructions but i can't critize. i love eating rabbit.

* Exported from MasterCook *

Stewed Dog (wedding style)

Recipe By : Joe Sweeney
Serving Size : 30 Preparation Time :3:00
Categories : Ethnic Philippines

Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method
-------- ------------ --------------------------------
3 kg dog meat -- * see note
1 1/2 cups vinegar
60 peppercorns -- crushed
6 tablespoons salt
12 cloves garlic -- crushed
1/2 cup cooking oil
6 cups onion -- sliced
3 cups tomato sauce
10 cups boiling water
6 cups red pepper -- cut into strips
6 pieces bay leaf
1 teaspoon tabasco sauce
1 1/2 cups liver spread -- ** see note
1 whole fresh pineapple -- cut 1/2 inch thick

1. First, kill a medium sized dog, then burn off the fur over a hot fire.
2. Carefully remove the skin while still warm and set aside for later (may be
used in other recpies)
3. Cut meat into 1" cubes. Marinade meat in mixture of vinegar,
peppercorn, salt and garlic for 2 hours.
4. Fry meat in oil using a large wok over an open fire, then add onions and
chopped pineapple and suate until tender.
5. Pour in tomato sauce and boiling water, add green peper, bay leaf and
tobasco.
6. Cover and simmer over warm coals until meat is tender. Blend in liver spread
and cook for additional 5-7 minutes.

* you can substiture lamb for dog. The taste is similar, but not as pungent.
** smooth liver pate will do as well.

[DJ Trance AZ]

If every culture were to have same cultural practices, then our world would be very dull.

.Eric

[divx]

According to most of the people here, I guess it's ok if some aliens (smarter than us) came to earth and beat us to death then eat us.
It is ok because they are stronger than us, yes. Look what we did to ourselves in the WW1 and WW2, I don't think people were killed humanely that time either.

[gman]

So does it mean SPA need to go to the wild and educate all those beasts to kill their preys inhumanely?

Once again, everyone perceives pain differently. Thus, we need to assess and validate the pain experience in each person. Now with dogs, they do not communicate in ways humans do. When one says s/he can feel the dog is in pain, one is applying his/her inference and it may or may not be right. Thus, one needs to validate that inference.

In my opinion, SPA is trying to streamline cultural practices, saying what practices are correct and incorrect, according to their own ideologies.

Why just pick dogs?

.Eric

Because we are talking about dog.

Knowing if a dog is in pain and it is not enjoying it is pretty simple. You kick it and it tells you it does not like it. If you pet it, it tells you it likes that. You can make the judegement based on its reaction.

About your pain after surgery, do you prefer to have the pain or don't? If there is a pain killer which has absolutely no side effect, will you take it instead of "enjoying" your pain?

[gman]

PLEASE SUGGEST WAYS TO KILL DOGS HUMANELY.

Knock it out; put a bullet to its head; kill by electricity; carbon dioxide (the dog will sleep and then die).
As I said before, Humane society kills dog too.


How are animals for human consumption killed in North America and Europe??

Check out how cow is killed.


I suppose that the animals are skinned alive or hanged because they don't want to make the fur bloody. They use the fur and the meat.

Not in western society, at least, not legally.


In North America, a lot of dogs and cats are abandoned by their owners. Some of the animals (usually dogs) end up in research laboratories. Remember all those monkeys and chimpanzees that were used in research laboratories in North America. Animals are still used for research and experiments.

I saw a roomful of dogs in a University of Toronto science building.
Other rooms had dogs with bandages.

Humane society will scream on that too. Nobody says North American way is right either. BTW, most abandoned dogs are killed by Humane society in North Amercian.

[keanefan]

PLEASE SUGGEST WAYS TO KILL DOGS HUMANELY.

How are animals for human consumption killed in North America and Europe??

I suppose that the animals are skinned alive or hanged because they don't want to make the fur bloody. They use the fur and the meat.

In North America, a lot of dogs and cats are abandoned by their owners. Some of the animals (usually dogs) end up in research laboratories. Remember all those monkeys and chimpanzees that were used in research laboratories in North America. Animals are still used for research and experiments.

I saw a roomful of dogs in a University of Toronto science building.
Other rooms had dogs with bandages.

If you know any science students or graduate students, ask them if they use dogs in their research experiments.
After the experiment is over, the dogs will usually be killed.
But a few lucky ones end up being adopted by the students/staff and their friends.

[gman]

PLEASE SUGGEST WAYS TO KILL DOGS HUMANELY.

How are animals for human consumption killed in North America and Europe??

I suppose that the animals are skinned alive or hanged because they don't want to make the fur bloody. They use the fur and the meat.

In North America, a lot of dogs and cats are abandoned by their owners. Some of the animals (usually dogs) end up in research laboratories. Remember all those monkeys and chimpanzees that were used in research laboratories in North America. Animals are still used for research and experiments.

I saw a roomful of dogs in a University of Toronto science building.
Other rooms had dogs with bandages.

If you know any science students or graduate students, ask them if they use dogs in their research experiments.
After the experiment is over, the dogs will usually be killed.
But a few lucky ones end up being adopted by the students/staff and their friends.

Read the one above yours. I replied your original one.

[DJ Trance AZ]

Regarding my pain experience, I did not like it nor like it. When I was in pain, I was able to feel how others may feel when they are in pain; it was a good learning experience for me. However, I did not take any pain meds. knowing their horrendous side effects (in my opinion). The nurses knew I was in pain and they took the time to validate that information with me. They asked how I felt about the pain and that how much I could tolerate.

With dogs, I still don't see how one can validate one's inference about their pain level. In addition, how a culture kills animals is rather a complex issue. Plus, what authority does the SPA has to go into other cultures and tell them the way they kills dogs are inhumane? Each culture has their own priorities and that the way they kill dogs may have a different meaning than the SPA's interpretation.

So does anyone know why they are killing dogs like this? I don't have the answer but I think I will know if I were to put to live with them for 5 to 10 years...

I really think that this is an excellent discussion topic that stimulates critical thinking.

.Eric

[Rometiklan]

kind of freaky when checking the instructions but i can't critize. i love eating rabbit.

"Cook!!! WHERE'S my hossenpfeffer?!!"