Attn:A JOB/CAREER SECTION on RFD

[emoci]

I can't take credit for this idea, but its a great one, a Job Section on RFD.
I have included a poll(the more votes the greater chance). To the admin and mods, I think it's a great idea, and there is a good deal of us supporting it.

Original:http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143271

Plus there have been other threads on the same issue:

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/...ad.php?t=170135
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/...ad.php?t=239398
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/...ad.php?t=233238

[anandwww]

voted........

[zkyline]

That would be real awesome!

[albion]

Sure! I'm an employer, always looking for help in the summer time. (seasonal business) Even if it's only working the weekend.

[Noob1ee]

yes!

[emptypocket]

I think it's a great idea!

[mingcourt]

So much of the world relies on networking.

I think itd be a good way to help each other out!

[SonSan]

good idea.

[gamer123]

yup vgood

[emoci]

:arrowu:

[Kasie1]

I agree that networking is the way the world seems to go. Often it is not exactly what you know that counts but who you know! Kasie1

[Ryan]

Well it seems like a lot of people are interested in this, but how should it work? Just job postings? Career discussion?

Let's hear some ideas! :)

[emoci]

well we can start with job postings, discussing how to go about getting hired. Just like with the hot deals we can let each other know where there is an opening and they are hiring. Eventually we may even be able to get RFDers who do run their bussineses posting for positions here.

[poppa]

a section for job postings, and another for discussion of jobs/careers.

[grilw]

The only reason I voted yes is because I hope that this section will help me find a job , superior to the one that I currently have , primarily pay wise and conditions wise .

[felix]

What about school/education .. they are all related. You go to school to get an education, to find a job and make a career out of it. :)

[anandwww]

did any mod/admin take a look??? :confused:

[anandwww]

What about school/education .. they are all related. You go to school to get an education, to find a job and make a career out of it. :)

yes. A combined carrier section with two subforums should work fine

[Angultra]

I'm all for this idea, and it would attract even more people to RFD!

Plus one needs money in order to spend it on deals, right?

[leungly]

Yeah perhaps a Job Related Thread, and then maybe two sub threads one for advice, on 1) how to choose a career, 2), how to find a job or land that interview, 3) how to deal with a bad boss etc.

and then the other sub thread would be only for postings of open positions
with a format of
Title of the Job:
Description of the Job:
And then any other relevant information such as pay rate and etc.
Where the Job is located:
Skills or qualifications one might need:
Where to Email or Call or go in person to send a resume or interview for the position:
How long is the position advertised till:
(at least all those things and then whatever else they want to add)

[elusion]

Yeah perhaps a Job Related Thread, and then maybe two sub threads one for advice, on 1) how to choose a career, 2), how to find a job or land that interview, 3) how to deal with a bad boss etc.

and then the other sub thread would be only for postings of open positions
with a format of
Title of the Job:
Description of the Job:
And then any other relevant information such as pay rate and etc.
Where the Job is located:
Skills or qualifications one might need:
Where to Email or Call or go in person to send a resume or interview for the position:
How long is the position advertised till:
(at least all those things and then whatever else they want to add)

I agree...dur shuld be a job posting fourm for lazy ppl like me to juss email n contact the person for the job. :cheesygri

[Noob1ee]

did any mod/admin take a look??? :confused:

I think this should answer your question:

Well it seems like a lot of people are interested in this, but how should it work? Just job postings? Career discussion?

Let's hear some ideas! :)

and as for ideas..i like the idea mentioned above, about making a section named "Careers" and within that section, two subsections - "School" & "Jobs", for the jobs section, it should be similar to the BST forums, people should put tags onto their title such as [LF] (looking for jobs) and [HIRING] (for employers), in the threads, there should be job description,tasks,requirements and contact info, etc (what leungly said), as for the school section, just school related stuff. :cheesygri

[B40]

What would be the competitive advantage of RFD jobs/career section vs. Monster or Workopolis?

The only thing I can think of is if members of the community have access to jobs and want to hire from within the RFD community. Other than that, I don't see any real benefit over what is currently available.

[emoci]

What would be the competitive advantage of RFD jobs/career section vs. Monster or Workopolis?

The only thing I can think of is if members of the community have access to jobs and want to hire from within the RFD community. Other than that, I don't see any real benefit over what is currently available.

Well the benefits of a Job Related Forum:

-RFDer who runs hi own bussiness hires from within community
-One of us who works somewhere(eg. macdonalds) knows there is a job opening at that location
-Someone who has gone through the hurles of getting a job, and going through the interview process with a certain company, can advise other members of his experience
-the greatest thing: unlike monster or workopolis, you know the jobs are local, and your cahnces getting a pm back are much greater from someone within RFD

I personally think it works, plus it will get more people here, more ppl means more readers,more buyers and selles on BST, more possible hot deals posted

[B40]

Well the benefits of a Job Related Forum:

-RFDer who runs hi own bussiness hires from within community
-One of us who works somewhere(eg. macdonalds) knows there is a job opening at that location

That's basically what I said in my post.



-Someone who has gone through the hurles of getting a job, and going through the interview process with a certain company, can advise other members of his experience

That's a good idea - a seperate forum to discuss jobs/interviews might be good as there are a ton of those threads around - plus it's very easy to target ads to this section.

-the greatest thing: unlike monster or workopolis, you know the jobs are local, and your cahnces getting a pm back are much greater from someone within RFD

Umm...you can search Monster/Workopolis by city and most places even list the address/postal code so you can even check how far it is from you.

[anandwww]

What would be the competitive advantage of RFD jobs/career section vs. Monster or Workopolis?

The only thing I can think of is if members of the community have access to jobs and want to hire from within the RFD community. Other than that, I don't see any real benefit over what is currently available.

what is the advantage of having this section
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=14

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=41
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=39

you have specialized sites for those!!!

[emoci]

what is the advantage of having this section
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=14

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=41
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=39

you have specialized sites for those!!!


And I am very sure that the above simply shows that there is other specialized sections in the site which are there because RFD mebers find them a good place to discuss the tons of info from elsewhere on the net, sort of "one stop discussion and views all in one place". The job section would work about the same.

All of us are here to get good deals and run things by each other, because 1 person may not know enough but about 2000+ of us certainly will, and the same goes for finding a job.

Most ppl on RFD i believe would support this, with maybe some exceptions and reservartions on how it will run and how well it will function at first, but if we don't give it a try we'll never know!

Plus there have been other threads on the same issue:

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=170135
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=239398
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143271
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=233238

[B40]

what is the advantage of having this section
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=14

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=41
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=39

you have specialized sites for those!!!

I asked what the competitive advantage was over Monster/Workopolis, because I thought this post was about setting up a service similar to there's instead of just a sub-forum.

[emoci]

:)

[leungly]

I love how you asked what the "competitive advantage" would be.

Most of the primary arguments have already been stated.
To add or elaborate previous points would be two fold.

For Job Seekers:
1) It's a slightly more personable approach I suppose by pming (but in theory on e would email the resume in and either put RFD in the subject or mention it in the cover letter that thats where they found hte posting) No one wants their private msgs flooded with msgs about would be job seekers.
2) Since the job is posted on here, a community based forum, ok a large community (canada) with multiple seperate communities within it(cities) the opportunity to get local and get a grass roots job thing going.
3) Another opportunity and place to look for employment
4) With fewer people applying, hopefully there is a greater chance to find employment.

For Employers/Job Posters:
1) For Employers, basically its free to post here so there's no added financial cost
2) Hopefully they get fewer but resumes, and of those, some quality and qualified candidates
3) To just help out someone else, like a deal, but instead of a deal on a consumer product, its a deal on finding a job or a chance to earn some money and gain experience. (For Job Posters)
4) To give the RFD community a chance to respond to a job before going to workopolis.
5) Cost: Free (monetary), still have to put in the time to sort through the replies and contact potential candidates for an interview.

The strenghths of workopolis are the same as its weaknesses. It's vastness and impersonable but very well organized and and extremly large database of jobs.

The downside to a job posting section on RFD is that it becomes difficult to search and navagate unlike the large job site. But with a few keywords in peopel's job postings it should be me more managable. Keywords such as location and such will make it more easy to navigate, but its up to the job posters or HR staff to make sure they include those keywords.

Again the opportunity costs here are relatively neglible for both sides. If a suitable candidate can not be found here within the alloted time (job position advertised till date) the employer can move on to a bigger job board and spend those financial resources with a much larger pool. For the job seeker, this place would be another opportunity to land a position they are interested in.

I've stated this before but the best example would be if a person knew of a job that might be become availble or is taking applications or resumes at this particular time, and posts it here, it could be another person finding work.
A lot of the jobs out there are not advertised through official or formal channels because it costs a lot of money and human resources to sort through all the excessive number of applications they receive. This would be a low cost alternative and a chance to assist someone else in their job search.

[Snocow]

I need a job...

I promoise that I won't surf RFD at work

[Vitamin]

Voted YES. cuz i need a job dearly

[thelefteyeguy]

voted

[emoci]

:)

[ronny1980]

Great Idea.

I will begin my search for a new job very soon and will need all the help I can get.

Thanks.

[stevethewheel]

Yeah I can see it now...

Bump for a good employee

[johnnyepy]

yes , I need a job anyone know anywhere hiring? no mc ds or yorkdale or swiss chalet.

[Mike71]

I think its a great idea. Employers could post job ads for free and put their contact information and prospective employees could e-mail their resumes etc. Also there could be a separate discussion forum or sub-forum. One thing would be to make sure to cover all provinces. Not everyone lives in the GTA area :D

[OMV]

What would be the competitive advantage of RFD jobs/career section vs. Monster or Workopolis?

What would be the competitive advantage of RFD buy/sell section vs. Craigslist or Ebay?

[ViperZ]

OMV, replying with question to a question will not get you anywhere really.

You need to have dedicated posters. For BST, we have tons of people who buy and sell stuff. How are you going to lure *real* employers to that section? There are already several well established websites with job postings (just like RFD is an established site for buying/selling).

[B40]

What would be the competitive advantage of RFD buy/sell section vs. Craigslist or Ebay?

RFD is free and has a large network - this is a deal hunting community, so most people would be interested in a BST.

Think about Monster or Workopolis opening up a BST section - would you go post your BST items there? Probably not.

RFD's niche is in the deal hunting/BST - a job forum would be very unorganized and it would be hard to split the forums up to make it searchable by job, location, etc.

If you're looking for a job, a specific job in a specific location - would you go to a forum and browse unsorted jobs? Or would you go to Monster and search by location and by industry/job?

RFD has done a very good job catering to the deal hunting/BST community, but if they were to do a job site, I think it would be better to set up a whole seperate site, similar to Price Canada rather than just opening up another forum for people to post jobs in.

[B40]

I love how you asked what the "competitive advantage" would be.

Most of the primary arguments have already been stated.
To add or elaborate previous points would be two fold.

For Job Seekers:
1) It's a slightly more personable approach I suppose by pming (but in theory on e would email the resume in and either put RFD in the subject or mention it in the cover letter that thats where they found hte posting) No one wants their private msgs flooded with msgs about would be job seekers.
2) Since the job is posted on here, a community based forum, ok a large community (canada) with multiple seperate communities within it(cities) the opportunity to get local and get a grass roots job thing going.
3) Another opportunity and place to look for employment
4) With fewer people applying, hopefully there is a greater chance to find employment.

For Employers/Job Posters:
1) For Employers, basically its free to post here so there's no added financial cost
2) Hopefully they get fewer but resumes, and of those, some quality and qualified candidates
3) To just help out someone else, like a deal, but instead of a deal on a consumer product, its a deal on finding a job or a chance to earn some money and gain experience. (For Job Posters)
4) To give the RFD community a chance to respond to a job before going to workopolis.
5) Cost: Free (monetary), still have to put in the time to sort through the replies and contact potential candidates for an interview.

The strenghths of workopolis are the same as its weaknesses. It's vastness and impersonable but very well organized and and extremly large database of jobs.

The downside to a job posting section on RFD is that it becomes difficult to search and navagate unlike the large job site. But with a few keywords in peopel's job postings it should be me more managable. Keywords such as location and such will make it more easy to navigate, but its up to the job posters or HR staff to make sure they include those keywords.

Again the opportunity costs here are relatively neglible for both sides. If a suitable candidate can not be found here within the alloted time (job position advertised till date) the employer can move on to a bigger job board and spend those financial resources with a much larger pool. For the job seeker, this place would be another opportunity to land a position they are interested in.

I've stated this before but the best example would be if a person knew of a job that might be become availble or is taking applications or resumes at this particular time, and posts it here, it could be another person finding work.
A lot of the jobs out there are not advertised through official or formal channels because it costs a lot of money and human resources to sort through all the excessive number of applications they receive. This would be a low cost alternative and a chance to assist someone else in their job search.

As I said in my other post, when someone mentioned a job/career section, I'm thinking of a seperate site similar to Monster - like what RFD did with Price Canada.

It is more personable, but very hard to organize on a forum, unless you want sub-forums for job industry and location. Just take a look at the BST or Hot Deal forums - you can't sort or search by location or type of deal. A job forum would be the exact same thing. If I'm looking for an executive position, I don't want to be wasting my time looking through an unsorted forum which will probably contain jobs ranging from entry level all the way up to executive.

For employers - I don't think RFD would keep it free to post jobs - they don't even allow wholesalers or stores to post their items for free, so why would they let companies post free job postings? There is also no benefit to RFD if they were to keep it free - they would have to charge some type of fee for companies to list their jobs.

The opportunity costs and investment is neglible if simply setting up a forum. IMO, if RFD is going to set up a job portal, they should do it right, and set something up similar to Monster and make it seperate like Price Canada.

Also as a company, I want my job to get as many applicants as possible so I can hire the most qualified one - not give someone a break just because they're a part of a deal hunting community.

[emoci]

Well,

Workopolis is one way to handle a job search. An RFD Job section is a different story. True it may lack organization, but isn't everything else (BST and such) the same, yet we all like what we get out of it. This is a more personal approach to jobs. Mentioning the pros, and the cons again would be pointless as we have all outlined them by now. In fact I agree with most of the previous posts, and especially with the point B40 is making.

However, Keep in Mind, this will not be a Job Search Site, but and RFD style forum where we can post opportunities we know about, and discuss how to go about finding a job. Think of this as giving advice on what deal is hot and what's not, but the deal is not a product at a store but a job.


There is at least 118 members to this point that agree with this, and clearly while there are some of us who do not think this a great deal, WE CAN ALL AGREE *THIS WILL HURT NOONE* , BUT *IT MAY PROFIT A GOOD DEAL OF US*

HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE AN ADMIN LOOK AT THIS SHORTLY.

As I said in my other post, when someone mentioned a job/career section, I'm thinking of a seperate site similar to Monster - like what RFD did with Price Canada.

It is more personable, but very hard to organize on a forum, unless you want sub-forums for job industry and location. Just take a look at the BST or Hot Deal forums - you can't sort or search by location or type of deal. A job forum would be the exact same thing. If I'm looking for an executive position, I don't want to be wasting my time looking through an unsorted forum which will probably contain jobs ranging from entry level all the way up to executive.

For employers - I don't think RFD would keep it free to post jobs - they don't even allow wholesalers or stores to post their items for free, so why would they let companies post free job postings? There is also no benefit to RFD if they were to keep it free - they would have to charge some type of fee for companies to list their jobs.

The opportunity costs and investment is neglible if simply setting up a forum. IMO, if RFD is going to set up a job portal, they should do it right, and set something up similar to Monster and make it seperate like Price Canada.

Also as a company, I want my job to get as many applicants as possible so I can hire the most qualified one - not give someone a break just because they're a part of a deal hunting community.

[leungly]

B40, Those are definately valid and concrete concerns, and yeah I'd agree with them all personally as well.

A person looking for a specific job would not come here. A person on the fence about changing jobs and sees something posted here may wish to apply. A person looking for a position with a certain organization will seek out that organization specifically. A person that isn't sure what sort of position they are looking for but wish to change jobs may find an job ad that they find interesting enough to apply to. I don't think quantity of applicants equal equality applicants but it certainly does make sense.

And yeah there's no reason why a job applicant on a deal site should get preferential treatment over being listed on a job board of massive proportions.

But I don't see employers using this job thread to post positions as I would feel its more like other employees that may know of a job opening at their organization or company that they wouldn't mind sharing with this deal site community. I would be fairly suprised if I saw much action from employers.

But then again the whole venture may be a bust or so if no one wishes or knows of any jobs opening at any venture. Or it could go like, "I know that my boss or HR is going to be posting a position on "such and such" site, and give those looking a heads up perhaps. Or any number of scenarios, the people on the inside have much information to share if they're willing.

[B40]

Well emoci, the poll definetly shows strong support for a job forum. I think the guys at RFD aren't really thinkg about if, but when and how to implement this for the greatest benefit for all parties involved.

[leafs]

Good Idea

[Jedi--]

id say excellent idea, as i am looking for part time, as well as summer jobs, particularily in the IT.

[dens]

Good idea. :)
Part-time or summer job listings would be nice.
Gets my vote.

[emoci]

:arrowu:

[anandwww]

last chance for the admins to start a forum... :cheesygri

bumping :arrowu:

[Noob1ee]

come on! let's write a career section in RFD's history!

[B40]

last chance for the admins to start a forum... :cheesygri

lol @ last chance

you giving the mods an ultimatum? :lol:

[anandwww]

lol @ last chance

you giving the mods an ultimatum? :lol:


:D :D

actually i am just 8 months away from graduation...and need to get hold of some job sonner. :twisted:

[emoci]

this is not about an ultimatum, but simply a request for some attention, there are 100+ ppl who would actually support a job forum.

[B40]

this is not about an ultimatum, but simply a request for some attention, there are 100+ ppl who would actually support a job forum.

You've made your point known...just leave it up to the mods now.

There's no point in bumping all the previous threads requesting a job forum...

And it's funny you're telling the mods this is their "last chance" to create a job forum :lol:

[leungly]

It's like you feel like they owe you or something. Creating a forum or thread without clear guidelines and all the rules and stuff that go with it is a recipie for disaster. This thing if it comes to fruition will take as long as it takes.
Do you not believe they have a lot on their plate already and perhaps this item of discussion is not at the top of the list of things they already have to do. I'm sure they've pretty much planned out what they want to do over the next couple of months and they are executing accordingly. This item has generated enough attention that its probably made it on to the their to do in the next 6 months.

It takes several staff and a lot of behind the scene things to make this site run relatively flawlessly (including the guy that decided to move the site in the middle of the night in order for ppl to access the site come morning). And all the other breakdowns or other circumstances that happen that we often don't see and don't hear about.

And for the person whose graduating in 8 months... there's a lot of other people that have already graduated and are in a much worse position. Enjoy the last year while you still can and do what everyone else does, apply and search the career portion of all the companies your interested in.

[Kwamz]

Yea, this would be a great idea. So I will be on my 3rd co-op work term in September. Any CA firms hiring?

I go to Wilfrid Laurier, Honours BBA

[darkwave]

I agree, bump for a great idea. My company is always looking for up and coming talent! :-0

[Ryan]

We'll be putting this up later today.

Suggested position? (Just after Personal Finance I'm thinking...)

[emoci]

We'll be putting this up later today.

Suggested position? (Just after Personal Finance I'm thinking...)

That sounds great.

[parapudaw]

We'll be putting this up later today.

Suggested position? (Just after Personal Finance I'm thinking...)

Sounds exciting. I need a new job! :D

[CodecX81]

We'll be putting this up later today.

Suggested position? (Just after Personal Finance I'm thinking...)
Democracy in action!
Yea, I can see it working in Personal Finance. Would be cool to break it off into two sub forums though.

Main Forum, changing the forum name to
-} Money Matters
-----} Personal Finances forum
-----} Personal Career/Job Posting forum

[Ryan]

Democracy in action!
Yea, I can see it working in Personal Finance. Would be cool to break it off into two sub forums though.

Main Forum, changing the forum name to
-} Money Matters
-----} Personal Finances forum
-----} Personal Career/Job Posting forum

Subforums confuse the hell out of people, judging by the BST emails I get daily, so for now the Careers forum will be on it's own. We're going to include education in there as well, seeing as they are pretty closely related. (Lots of "what should I study to do this" topics already)

[CodecX81]

Subforums confuse the hell out of people, judging by the BST emails I get daily, so for now the Careers forum will be on it's own. We're going to include education in there as well, seeing as they are pretty closely related. (Lots of "what should I study to do this" topics already)

Really?? You'd think that classification would cause less confusion.. lol
I guess people do not like drilling down.

What a crazy world.

[B40]

Subforums confuse the hell out of people, judging by the BST emails I get daily, so for now the Careers forum will be on it's own. We're going to include education in there as well, seeing as they are pretty closely related. (Lots of "what should I study to do this" topics already)

I think you need to display subforums on the main forum index.

And some of the other forums can be split up into smaller subforums IMO.

[deep]

When my company is looking for a bunch of cheapskate thong wearing slackers who spend their work hours surfing for deals, we'll finally know where to look!

;)

[Narci]

How do you stop those annoying contracting agencies from spamming up the boards liek they do on monster and workopolis?

There's no 'real' job posting on there, just contracting agencies.

Those contracting agencies have individual people who 'head hunt' for workers and get a commission off it.

How can you protect your resume from unwanted eyes?

There should be a screening process or something to be legit.

How about cases of workers with no legal working permit getting jobs off the forum? If they get caught and name out RFD, I hope Ryan doesn't get in trouble.

Might want to look into the legal aspect of having a job posting forum.

[picardal]

I wonder if the employers posting on the site will be as cheap as most of the members on here... lol

[Ryan]

Was a busy day. This'll go up tomorrow. Sorry for the delay.

[sw1ft]

Great idea!

Not to mention that many of us will be graduating shortly. :D

[yell0w_c0w]

What would be the competitive advantage of RFD jobs/career section vs. Monster or Workopolis?

The only thing I can think of is if members of the community have access to jobs and want to hire from within the RFD community. Other than that, I don't see any real benefit over what is currently available.

To begin, one of the biggest advantage goes beyond "something in the RFD community", it's a matter of being personnal with the hiring person. Or, a referral. Sites like Monster and workopolis are so impersonnal you cannot be in touch with another human person on the other end of the thread; how, besides bringing up an email, can you be so different from the 1000 others?

I believe the job/career forum is an excellent idea! Job postings for employeurs for seasonal work, and tips/advices for the job-seeker. Two forums.

Thats my 2cents..

[emoci]

:arrowu:

[Ryan]

It has been created. Please read the guidelines before posting.

[anandwww]

When my company is looking for a bunch of cheapskate thong wearing slackers who spend their work hours surfing for deals, we'll finally know where to look!

;)

We have a really bright chance since they have already picked you.!!! :D

[anandwww]

It has been created. Please read the guidelines before posting.

thanks RYAN...will post a couple of jobs today evening.. :)

[moto620]

excellent idea!

[d-man]

Currently looking for a job, so this will definitely help :)

[felix]

Noticed the new Careers forum just now. :)