unprestige Universities

[pirate]

everyone here talks about the prestige schools what about the other ones like
McMaster ,Windsor ,york, Univ od Ottawa, carleton...anyone go to these? how are their buisness programs? any luck finding jobs after graduating? Was it hard?

realistically i doubt ill get into shulic or ivey i have a mid 80's to a high 80's avg in my courses with some extracurricular. was wondering about the other universties for buisness which r also good

[x86asm]

Take a look at FearSonic's thread, I think someone will post a link.

[littledevil]

Its great how everyone here just thinks of waterloo and utoronto to be the first class universities. But here is a report card from the globe and mail.
http://www.adm.uwaterloo.ca/infoiap/docs/other/G10Report.pdf

Read and see that some of the universities that OP and others on this board think are unprestegious actually get a much better ranking than waterloo and toronto! Food for thought..

PS:- When I had applied for schools I was admitted to Waterloo, Toronto, McMaster, Queens and Western all with comparable scholarships. I ended up going to mcmaster and do not regret my decision at all. I had an internship that was on par with higher end co-ops from waterloo and after graduating worked at one of the big four. Most of my collegues were from Waterloo and I was not too impressed with what they had to offer. I am sure there are great students at waterloo but there are also great students at every other university! I am back at McMaster for graduate school. The friendliness of professors and staff are what helped me go back as opposed to picking waterloo or uoft.

[commie]

everyone here talks about the prestige schools what about the other ones like
McMaster ,Windsor ,york, Univ od Ottawa, carleton...anyone go to these? how are their buisness programs? any luck finding jobs after graduating? Was it hard?

realistically i doubt ill get into shulic or ivey i have a mid 80's to a high 80's avg in my courses with some extracurricular. was wondering about the other universties for buisness which r also good

Depending on what areas of business you want to go into, it really doesn't matter what university you goto.....If you are interested in Accounting...
Most of the Big 4 firms will recruit at all those universities..
Only matters if you want to get into consulting or investment banking..

Also, Schulich = York....

Another alternative, if you really want to goto a certain school, and can't get in for 1st year....You could goto a 'lesser' school and work your arse off, and get a B+ to A average and transfer to that school....Most universities accept 2nd year transfer students, and give the advance standings...

BTW - besides the ones you listed, a good business school that is still relatively easier to get into is Laurier...They have an excellent undergrad business program.

[pirate]

Its great how everyone here just thinks of waterloo and utoronto to be the first class universities. But here is a report card from the globe and mail.
http://www.adm.uwaterloo.ca/infoiap/docs/other/G10Report.pdf

Read and see that some of the universities that OP and others on this board think are unprestegious actually get a much better ranking than waterloo and toronto! Food for thought..

PS:- When I had applied for schools I was admitted to Waterloo, Toronto, McMaster, Queens and Western all with comparable scholarships. I ended up going to mcmaster and do not regret my decision at all. I had an internship that was on par with higher end co-ops from waterloo and after graduating worked at one of the big four. Most of my collegues were from Waterloo and I was not too impressed with what they had to offer. I am sure there are great students at waterloo but there are also great students at every other university! I am back at McMaster for graduate school. The friendliness of professors and staff are what helped me go back as opposed to picking waterloo or uoft.

wow there really putting down U of T on that report, it is rated last on all of the criteria

btw which r the universities to go to for investment banking?

[commie]

wow there really putting down U of T on that report, it is rated last on all of the criteria

btw which r the universities to go to for investment banking?

Investment banking, first tier would be Queen's, Ivey, McGill....Then Schulich and Rotman.

[Sylvestre]

unversity reputation means very very little in the entire lifespan of your career.
The school you graduated from will affect your chances of your first job but after that your experience takes precedent on all hiring matters.

Even more so, in this day and age, you don't stop with just a degree. most professions have desinations (p.eng, cfa, etc) and those also trump the name of the school you attended.

[poedua]

Check out where the University of Waterloo ranks in the international ranking of the world's best overall universities ...good luck finding it ! :)

[Narci]

I think it depends on what field you want to be in.

Doctor? UT is good.

Lawyer? York is good.

Computer Engineer? Waterloo is good (MSFT hires alot from waterloo exclusively even co-op)

[konfusion666]

nobody should expect it to be on a list of "overrall" universities. mostly everyone knows that it's targeted for undergrad degrees in a few particular fields.

for goodness' sake, it doesn't have a Medical school or a Law school, so of course it's not going make any "overrall" lists. you'd have to be dense to expect it on them...

the only reason it gets trumped up a lot on this forum is because of the tech-savvy nature of RFD; there's a large number of engineers and computer technologists here who attended that school.

[Bordello]

Doctor? UT is good.
Not really. Any Canadian university is good.

[devious9191]

unversity reputation means very very little in the entire lifespan of your career.
The school you graduated from will affect your chances of your first job but after that your experience takes precedent on all hiring matters.

Even more so, in this day and age, you don't stop with just a degree. most professions have desinations (p.eng, cfa, etc) and those also trump the name of the school you attended.

Good post, particularly for business. If you're planning on a higher level position in finance, accounting or investments, etc, you're probably going to be looking at either doing some post graduate work, and/or designations anyways. Where you do your post grad, or what designations you have is going to be much more important than where you did your undergraduate when you're looking for your first position in your field.

And if you're only doing a business degree, noone's going to care where you got it from.. those things are a dime a dozen, no matter what school you go to.

[poedua]

nobody should expect it to be on a list of "overrall" universities. mostly everyone knows that it's targeted for undergrad degrees in a few particular fields.

for goodness' sake, it doesn't have a Medical school or a Law school, so *of course* it's not going make any "overrall" lists. you'd have to be dense to expect it on them...

the only reason it gets trumped up a lot in this forum because due to the tech-savvy nature of RFD, there's a large number of engineers and computer technologists here who attended that school.

i agree...it's just the way people go on and on and on about Waterloo...you''d think it was Harvard North or something ! :)

[Rehan]

And if you're only doing a business degree, noone's going to care where you got it from.. those things are a dime a dozen, no matter what school you go to.On the other hand, if you do well in undergrad then you'll have a much better chance of getting a job on Wall Street/Bay Street if you're a new business graduate from Queen's than you would if you just finished at somewhere like University of New Brunswick.

[konfusion666]

i agree...it's just the way people go on and on and on about Waterloo...you''d think it was Harvard North or something ! :)

harvard north nope - that would be either McGill or U of T.
two universities which americans & europeans might actually have heard of...

Waterloo could be "MIT North" - or at least "MIT Lite North" ;)

the same type of people who strive to get into MIT are those who strive to get into Waterloo although i suspect due to the latter's strong co-op program, you tend to get more job-focussed people at waterloo as opposed to "nerds".

[krash322]

Ryerson has a great business program. It's very well rounded in that they make you take various business subjects before deciding on your major. Plus, you actually learn things there that are useful in the real world.

[Narci]

Not really. Any Canadian university is good.

I'm not sure about that. Each university has it's strengths and weaknesses...It all depends on what path each person wants to take.

I man, as a comp eng in waterloo, waterloo has better ties to maky high tech firms in terms of co-op and job placement as compared to Lakehead.

This can apply to the argument of whether to goto university or college. I don't think you would goto university to be a plumber or goto college to be a neurosurgeon.

[danfromwaterloo]

everyone here talks about the prestige schools what about the other ones like
McMaster ,Windsor ,york, Univ od Ottawa, carleton...anyone go to these? how are their buisness programs? any luck finding jobs after graduating? Was it hard?

realistically i doubt ill get into shulic or ivey i have a mid 80's to a high 80's avg in my courses with some extracurricular. was wondering about the other universties for buisness which r also good

Why is Mac and York on that list? I consider them pretty good schools now.

I'd say that Ontario alone is split up into two tiers:

Tier one: Mac, York, Guelph, UofT, Queens, Waterloo, Western, etc

Tier two: Windsor, Lakehead, Nippising, Trent, etc

If you need to ask yourself which is in tier one, and which is in tier two, ask yourself this question: would a jock at your school have a shot of getting in? If yes, tier two. Else tier one.

In the past, it was three tiers, with UofT, Queens, and Western basically being the top three. Now, its flattened out. Many of the Ontario schools are focused on areas of specialty. If you want computers, go to Waterloo or UofT. If you want Arts, go to York or Guelph. If you want Science, head to Queens or Mac. If you want parties, head to Western.

[Kwamz]

How come no ones said anything about Wilfrid Lauier Business?

They are a good school too... :)

[hagbard]

Windsor was known as "Last Chance U".

[anandwww]

It's not the school, it's what you make of it.

You could go to the Toronto School of Business in the mall and become a wealthy and powerful business person. You could go to Harvard and become nothing and waste all your time posting in silly threads on RFD. :(

rightly said. Not all great man graduated from the best school. Having said that dont join a useless univ as well..

all the best

[commie]

On the other hand, if you do well in undergrad then you'll have a much better chance of getting a job on Wall Street/Bay Street if you're a new business graduate from Queen's than you would if you just finished at somewhere like University of New Brunswick.


Very true said....i probably would not have gotten a job at a management consulting firm straight out of undergrad if I went to Ryerson or even UofT.

For certain careers in Business(IBank/Consulting) the school that you went to for undergrad does make a difference....At least to break into that industry as a fresh grad.

[teknoluv]

Most reputable universities get their prestige from grad schools and research, and that is why the University of Toronto always remains the first choice overall.

[commie]

Ryerson has a great business program. It's very well rounded in that they make you take various business subjects before deciding on your major. Plus, you actually learn things there that are useful in the real world.

Does a Rye business grad have a fair chance at getting a job with any of the investment banking firms on bay street/wall street?
Does a Rye business grad have a fair chance at getting a job with one of the management consulting firms(Mckinsey,Bain, BCG, Deloitte, Accenture, IBM,etc..)??

A good business program does nothing if you can't get the jobs in the fields you want...

Now if you're interested in marketing/itm....maybe its different...

[poedua]

Windsor was known as "Last Chance U".

Let's not forget Guelph......." Moo U "...in fact that's where you can find the Guelph cheerleaders after a Gryphon football game ..........grazing in the end zone :)

[Bordello]

I'm not sure about that. Each university has it's strengths and weaknesses...It all depends on what path each person wants to take.

I man, as a comp eng in waterloo, waterloo has better ties to maky high tech firms in terms of co-op and job placement as compared to Lakehead.

This can apply to the argument of whether to goto university or college. I don't think you would goto university to be a plumber or goto college to be a neurosurgeon.
Look what I quoted. I was talking about medical schools, not the regular programs.

[poedua]

Most reputable universities get their prestige from grad schools and research, and that is why the University of Toronto always remains the first choice overall.

Just going on recollection, i think U of T has been the top-ranked univerity in Canada as judged by the international community polls here and there - on the basis of all facukty offerings etc. - for the very reasons you cited.

But i think the best party school is the University of Vermont according to Playboy ! :)

[confused]

go to a top american school..

[xwar]

Does a Rye business grad have a fair chance at getting a job with any of the investment banking firms on bay street/wall street?
Does a Rye business grad have a fair chance at getting a job with one of the management consulting firms(Mckinsey,Bain, BCG, Deloitte, Accenture, IBM,etc..)??

A good business program does nothing if you can't get the jobs in the fields you want...

Now if you're interested in marketing/itm....maybe its different...

I think you have it correct ... those big name consulting firms seem to only like those from U of T. Bare in mind they don't typically hire U of T business students but they much rather select Engineers (i.e. Industrial Engineers) ... I've seen more of my friends complain that it's the engineers that seem to be taking the best business jobs nowadays ...

I was from Ryerson and I've done relatively well ... but I completed an ITM degree. As for Ryerson's business ... I can't say it's bad nor can I say it up there with the big boys.

[Rehan]

I think you have it correct ... those big name consulting firms seem to only like those from U of T.From what I've read, consulting firms prefer to recruit from case-study style MBA programs (like Ivey), and Rotman at UofT doesn't use case studies as much.

[commie]

From what I've read, consulting firms prefer to recruit from case-study style MBA programs (like Ivey), and Rotman at UofT doesn't use case studies as much.

True, consulting firms prefer b-schools like Queen's and Ivey....

Rotman will get the i-banks...

[civ@uw]

Its great how everyone here just thinks of waterloo and utoronto to be the first class universities. But here is a report card from the globe and mail.
http://www.adm.uwaterloo.ca/infoiap/docs/other/G10Report.pdf

Read and see that some of the universities that OP and others on this board think are unprestegious actually get a much better ranking than waterloo and toronto! Food for thought..

PS:- When I had applied for schools I was admitted to Waterloo, Toronto, McMaster, Queens and Western all with comparable scholarships. I ended up going to mcmaster and do not regret my decision at all. I had an internship that was on par with higher end co-ops from waterloo and after graduating worked at one of the big four. Most of my collegues were from Waterloo and I was not too impressed with what they had to offer. I am sure there are great students at waterloo but there are also great students at every other university! I am back at McMaster for graduate school. The friendliness of professors and staff are what helped me go back as opposed to picking waterloo or uoft.

This is someones response to the G&M Report Card.

"...the Globe’s methodology is seriously screwed. It’s based on voluntary student responses, and as anyone who works in marketing can tell you, the people who respond to surveys are not representative of the general population..."

[goob3r]

From what I've read, consulting firms prefer to recruit from case-study style MBA programs (like Ivey), and Rotman at UofT doesn't use case studies as much.

debatable.... the firms definitely hit all the big universities out there, it's a matter of how many they choose for the first round of each one.

I took an offer from one of the big consulting firms mentioned and I'm finishing up a Comp Eng degree at Queen's. I have never faced a case study in my life, and I wasn't tested on them either. From the people I met at the final round, most were commerce students and quite impressive. I was suprised to find that there weren't many engineers at that stage.

Quite frankly, it may be the school that gets you your first interview, but it's you that carries yourself through the rest of the process.

[poedua]

This is someones response to the G&M Report Card.

"...the Globe’s methodology is seriously screwed. It’s based on voluntary student responses, and as anyone who works in marketing can tell you, the people who respond to surveys are not representative of the general population..."

i agree...I put more stock in international evaluations that consistently put U of T #1 or # 2 in Canada.

Good point about surveys though ...so much for G & M opinion polls and polls about the election and gay marraige eh ? :)

[pirate]

From what I've read, consulting firms prefer to recruit from case-study style MBA programs (like Ivey), and Rotman at UofT doesn't use case studies as much.

what r the big consulting firms?

[commie]

what r the big consulting firms?

Mckinsey, Bain & Company, Boston Consulting Group, Monitor for the Strategy Consulting Firms..

Deloitte, Accenture, IBM, BearingPoint, CapGemini for the Management & IT consulting