Sold my gamecube with 20 games on ebay. buyer with 0 feedback,wants to send paypal.

[x-batman]

Buyer has a feedback score of 0 (1 positive and 1 negative, the positive is old and I cannot see what it was for, the negative is recent and is from a purchase of AS-IS gamecube cables)

Anyways they want to pay by paypal. They sent me a link showing they were verified by paypal (it was a real paypal link). (One thing I should note is that their paypal email address is different from their ebay email address). But I have a couple of questions...
I recently read the post by a user here who sold an xbox 360 on ebay and the buyer had the payment reversed stating they never recieved the xbox. Now I do not want to get burned like this. How can I assure this of me? Should I ask for Western Union instead? Am I out of line in asking for western union instead of paypal?

Opinions?

[divx]

say NO to ebay

[akwok]

Buyer has a feedback score of 0 (1 positive and 1 negative, the positive is old and I cannot see what it was for, the negative is recent and is from a purchase of AS-IS gamecube cables)

Anyways they want to pay by paypal. They sent me a link showing they were verified by paypal (it was a real paypal link). (One thing I should note is that their paypal email address is different from their ebay email address). But I have a couple of questions...
I recently read the post by a user here who sold an xbox 360 on ebay and the buyer had the payment reversed stating they never recieved the xbox. Now I do not want to get burned like this. How can I assure this of me? Should I ask for Western Union instead? Am I out of line in asking for western union instead of paypal?

Opinions?

You aren't out of line at all. If you ship with tracking, it theoretically should save you from being burnt. But then again, I don't trust Paypal much or at all, after the experiences I've had with them.

I suggest escrow, money order, or western union.

[akwok]

say NO to ebay

Good advice.


... not.

[mrgrieves]

Like the poster above said, just ship with tracking within 7 days of payment and you should be fine - in theory.

Just make sure you withdraw the money from your PayPal account as soon as it comes in. That way, even if it does get reversed by his CC company PayPal cant do anything to you anyway.

Never keep a PayPal balance!

[AnimeEd]

I thought you could get a negative Paypal balance

[akwok]

I thought you could get a negative Paypal balance

Yes, but you needn't necessarily fill it back up ;). I hear the harassing phone calls end sooner or later.. heh.

I was too chicken (bad credit isn't worth the money!) and I refilled the $350 USD negative balance I had.. blah.

[divx]

Good advice.


... not.
well, say no to paypal

[Arrow]

This sounds pretty risky. He could be a legitimate bidder, but who knows. I would ask for Email Money Transfer or a Money Order.

[Jon Lai]

Yes, but you needn't necessarily fill it back up ;). I hear the harassing phone calls end sooner or later.. heh.

I was too chicken (bad credit isn't worth the money!) and I refilled the $350 USD negative balance I had.. blah.

Do they charge you interest?

[x-batman]

This sounds pretty risky. He could be a legitimate bidder, but who knows. I would ask for Email Money Transfer or a Money Order.

Can people from the United States send us Canadians an Email money transfer?

[jerryhung]

Can people from the United States send us Canadians an Email money transfer?

NO

But you could ask for International Money Order, or something that can't be reversed/chargeback

I won't sell to any 0 feedback buyer, they are just too scary, unless they want to pick up locally

[x-batman]

NO

But you could ask for International Money Order, or something that can't be reversed/chargeback

I won't sell to any 0 feedback buyer, they are just too scary, unless they want to pick up locally


Ya, I had set buyer requirements allowing no one with under +4 feedback to bid,but it still let him bid? i was like wtf!

[Txiasaeia]

Who's the next highest bidder? If you stated that you'd only accept bidders with a certain level of feedback, and this guy didn't make the cut, then sell it to the next guy (who's hopefully got more feedback). BUT AVOID PAYPAL! There have been too many threads here on RFD about Paypal going wrong, not to mention my own personal distaste of the "company."

[x-batman]

or would this be applausible, have them paypal me the money, then I immediately paypal my friend the money (and have the friend put it in their bank account and give me cash) and mail his package (with tracking and a pic of the tracking slip/declared value). That should be enough to stop it correct?

[x-batman]

Ok, I just emailed them asking for Western Union, or an International Money Order sent FedEx overnight

[d_jedi]

What were the payment options you specified in the auction? Was Paypal not one of them?

[divx]

Ok, I just emailed them asking for Western Union, or an International Money Order sent FedEx overnight
wow, that must cost a lot of service fees

[mrgrieves]

or would this be applausible, have them paypal me the money, then I immediately paypal my friend the money (and have the friend put it in their bank account and give me cash) and mail his package (with tracking and a pic of the tracking slip/declared value). That should be enough to stop it correct?
Why cant you just withdraw the money to your bank account?

[x-batman]

What were the payment options you specified in the auction? Was Paypal not one of them?

Paypal , money order or certified cheque,

[aquariaguy]

Paypal , money order or certified cheque,

I would stay away from Paypal. Or like others mentioned, wait till you get the money, transfer it out ASAP, than ship the sucker with pics and everything.

[vancityroots]

if you specified in your auction that you accept paypal as a means of service then you will have to do so?

You could accept the paypal money, then transfer it to your bank acct and then close ya paypal account right after.

[d_jedi]

Paypal , money order or certified cheque,
OK, so paypal was a payment option. The buyer wants to pay with Paypal. What's the problem? If you don't want to accept Paypal, don't offer it as a payment option.

[mrgrieves]

if you specified in your auction that you accept paypal as a means of service then you will have to do so?

You could accept the paypal money, then transfer it to your bank acct and then close ya paypal account right after.
That's a little extreme, just take out the money. There is NO indication this guy is trying to rip the OP off other than the fact that he is a new ebay user.

A little too much paranoia in this thread.

[Mooseport]

if you specified in your auction that you accept paypal as a means of service then you will have to do so?

You could accept the paypal money, then transfer it to your bank acct and then close ya paypal account right after.

I agree. If you say you accept paypal then shouldn't you? If you had reservations about a newbie buying and paying with paypal then you should have stated that before the auction ended.

I've never had a bad experience with Paypal, but I am sure that many people have. I've remember being a newbie on ebay (in fact I am still a newbie here!) and there were some people who freely let me purchase their items while others made me email them first.

I say that if you are truly concerned then just make sure you ask for delivery confirmation and ask for additional security placed on the package (where the only person who can sign for the package is the name of the person the package - then you know they got it). Then again that hikes up the cost of delivery, but if you are really concerned then upgrade on the shipping options.

[Emancipated]

Do not trust Paypal. I woudl say the same for Ebay except it's hard to avoid it for cheap scores for goods; they are the lesser evil of the two, even though they're owned by the same schmucks.

Get a MO or Wester Union; make sure you have the cash in hand before you send that parcel away.

Paypal will screw you if you're not careful. Paypal is good when the transaction is smooth, but when there is a disupte, it's any body's guess who will win.

[Emancipated]

if you specified in your auction that you accept paypal as a means of service then you will have to do so?

You could accept the paypal money, then transfer it to your bank acct and then close ya paypal account right after.


That's too complicated and so much leg work for the seller. Why should he go through all that when he is legitimate. If Paypal isn't trustworthy, then don't use them. Simple as that.

EDIT: I remember one time I needed Paypal to resolve a dispute with a transaction. I had sent the money via paypal to someone for DVDs and 1 month later, they never sent it. I filed a grevience with Paypal to have my money back, and I didn't even recieve an explanation as to why they couldn't do it; all I had was some stupid excuse about how it's inconclusive. It's like they didn't care or bothered to do anything for my $30. Lame.

[zoro69]

If you advertised paypal you are obligated to accept it (an dthe very small risk that goes with that but comes with higher/more bids). Buyer can file non performng seller complaint and would be very justified leaving a quick neg if you follow any of the suggestions here to demand other payment methods.

[Cyber6]

If you advertised paypal you are obligated to accept it (an dthe very small risk that goes with that but comes with higher/more bids). Buyer can file non performng seller complaint and would be very justified leaving a quick neg if you follow any of the suggestions here to demand other payment methods.


Not sure about that.. the OP did specify bidders with a certain level of feedback... if ebay allow a 0 feedback bidder then .. he can argue with ebay that he is not comfortable using paypal with this particular bidder.


C.

[hyperion]

Don't accept Paypal. If he is an honest buyer, he'll pay another way. Simple as that.

[Oni-kun]

Why cant you just withdraw the money to your bank account?

cuz if you can do that from your paypal account paypal can draw it back out. Its in the user agreement

[Oni-kun]

Also the fact that his ebay email is different than his paypal email should set a flag off. he might have stolen the account.

[CARLiTO_]

Also the fact that his ebay email is different than his paypal email should set a flag off. he might have stolen the account.


There are alot of people who I have dealt with who have a different email for paypal and a different ebay email.

[zoro69]

cuz if you can do that from your paypal account paypal can draw it back out. Its in the user agreement

Its in the user agreement they cannot do that...

[zoro69]

Not sure about that.. the OP did specify bidders with a certain level of feedback... if ebay allow a 0 feedback bidder then .. he can argue with ebay that he is not comfortable using paypal with this particular bidder.


C.


There is no provision on ebay to limit sales to certain number of feedback. This is the invention of some sellers. Ebay allows one to set a block on less then 0 feedback buyers, to cancel sale to buyer from country seller doens't ship to, and to report a buyer using a differnt ID that seller has already blocked. Sellers who state only certain feedback level are relying on bidders voluntarily honouring that or cancelling bids on their own if they are made early enough. Ebay has no concern for such a thing. They are concenred about people displaying the paypal and then no allowing it to be used (costing them the fees...). Everyone on ebay had 0 feedback at some point.

[Cyber6]

There is no provision on ebay to limit sales to certain number of feedback. This is the invention of some sellers. Ebay allows one to set a block on less then 0 feedback buyers, to cancel sale to buyer from country seller doens't ship to, and to report a buyer using a differnt ID that seller has already blocked. Sellers who state only certain feedback level are relying on bidders voluntarily honouring that or cancelling bids on their own if they are made early enough. Ebay has no concern for such a thing. They are concenred about people displaying the paypal and then no allowing it to be used (costing them the fees...). Everyone on ebay had 0 feedback at some point.

I apologize, I was not aware of that. I have only used ebay as a buyer, I have never been a seller.

C.

[Txiasaeia]

Its in the user agreement they cannot do that...

The user "agreement" doesn't stop paypal from screwing us over. www.paypalsucks.com

[masterballer]

Here is the BEST thing you can do:

NEVER TAKE PAYPAL FOR ANYTHING OVER $100! Seriously, they have all this NS about protection, BUT read their updated TOS and it states that the protection (even on ebay purchases) is for US based deals only, so even if you ship with tracking and signature to USA, and the buyer files a claim you will loose since they dont protect you (even if buyer has confirmed and verified).

I wanna see every not use paypal on their auctions for a few months, once they see people dont like the BS way of operations then they might change their ways.

In short: use WU or MO.

[mrgrieves]

cuz if you can do that from your paypal account paypal can draw it back out. Its in the user agreement
Uhh, no, its not.

There is no way that PayPal would ever draw money out of your bank account on purpose without your permission.

[Txiasaeia]

Uhh, no, its not.

There is no way that PayPal would ever draw money out of your bank account on purpose without your permission.

Heh, you're kidding, right? They can't do anything without your "permission," but using Paypal, according to their TOS, automatically constitutes permission. Read through it and you'll see what I mean. There are numerous horror stories on the site I mentioned above that describes how paypal "legally" drains a person's bank account dry because the paypal user has problems with the person whom they are doing business with.

[story]

Just tell the buyer to pay by paypal but use the Qusi-cash method. This way he won't get protection

[zoro69]

They cannot take funds from your bank account. period.

[mrgrieves]

Heh, you're kidding, right? They can't do anything without your "permission," but using Paypal, according to their TOS, automatically constitutes permission. Read through it and you'll see what I mean. There are numerous horror stories on the site I mentioned above that describes how paypal "legally" drains a person's bank account dry because the paypal user has problems with the person whom they are doing business with.
Oh my mistake, if you read a story someone posted on the internet then it must be true!

Get a grip.

There is no way paypal can "drain a person's bank account dry". Paypal will not touch your bank account without your authorization; they are greedy and unfair but not so stupid as to illegally dip into someones personal chequing account because they have some "problems" with a user. I am familiar with paypalsucks.com - why do you think there are all those questions and reports about negative PayPal balances?? If PayPal was just stealing peoples money directly from their bank accounts then there would be no negative balances or calls to collection agencies.

I have been using PayPal for many years and have participated in hundreds of transactions (buying and selling) and have never had a problem myself. I have heard about accounts being locked, money being removed from a PayPal account after a chargeback etc. so I NEVER carry a balance. If you remove your money right away you won't have a problem.

Let's face it, PayPal are scum and their policies and TOS are entirely in their own favour but it is probably the most convenient way to make and receive payments online.

[jerryhung]

You may end up with a -ve balance, and PP may send a collection agency after you if it's BIG -ve balance

www.paypalsucks.com

I hate PP so much now too, where I had no issue whatsoever before