Rsx Type-S vs Celica GT-S

[masterballer]

which one would you go for? i am looking for something to mod, so thats the only thing, dont care about gas or anything like that.

[aZnRYcEbOi]

S2k

[MameXP]

gee their prices are so diff. Cant compare like that bro.

RSX-S is the best performace to price ratio in the bunch. Stock TypeS will rape stock IS300. With bolt-ons RSX-S will win stock S2k. Modify wise, RSX-S has more potential due to K series.

But if the price of the S2k is not too high (its rediculously high in Canada) then i would get S2k.

But for the same money of gettting RSX-S in Canada, you can get...... slightly used EVO VIII in US!!!!! Fuc*k Canadian regulation BS!!!

[Anessa]

S2000 for pure driving pleasure.

[oldsnail]

if you are looking for new, is300 doesnt exisit anymore and is now the is250 or is 350. which isnt so friendly modable compared to the is300. (you cant even turn off traction contorl)

for modding, the rsx does have alot of support. but it is not as easy as the prev integras to mod. even spoon gave up suspension designs for the (rsx) dc5 and (civic sir) ep3.

the s2k would prob be the most expensive one, and stock output is plentiful but still has lots of aftermarket support.

all these cars do have 200+ hp, how much do you really need?

[Brandon]

Mods as in aesthetics or performance? Not sure how availability differs for either for the models.

[MameXP]

The reason spoon gave up on suspension (not really give-up they're just not satisfied enough and happy as they have from S2000) is because Macferson front suspension ( yeah i dont know what Honda was thinking) But surprisingly, its pretty damn good. The old ITR with tuned suspension can handle better but by very small margin.

Kseries is the future of Honda - Skunk2. ;)

[masterballer]

Well i am looking for performance with none of that rice! The RSX was my first choice since its only 17K + for a 02.

I am looking to get a used car so i was just wondering if you guys had any input.

So its Type S all the way! + the insurance should be better for the Type s, anyone knoe anything?

[gilboman]

Well i am looking for performance with none of that rice! The RSX was my first choice since its only 17K + for a 02.

I am looking to get a used car so i was just wondering if you guys had any input.

So its Type S all the way! + the insurance should be better for the Type s, anyone knoe anything?

actually insurance should be the worst for the RSX-S, for a male under 25, you are looking at around 5-6k, the s2k or IS should be around half to two thirds of that.

it depends what you want, the TYPE-S is a sport compact, the s2k is a real sportscar and the IS300 is a real sportsedan.

[gilboman]

gee their prices are so diff. Cant compare like that bro.

RSX-S is the best performace to price ratio in the bunch. Stock TypeS will rape stock IS300. With bolt-ons RSX-S will win stock S2k. Modify wise, RSX-S has more potential due to K series.



only if you define performance in a straightline acceleration.

the RSX-S is a FWD 4banger economy sporty coupe, its not in the same class as a sportscar or sportsedan

[ch1zo]

s2k...

imagine is it was AWD!!

[KevC]

Lol They are COMPLETELY different vehicles.

RSX-S is a sport compact, it's sporty but will never be a sports car due to it's FWD.

IS300 turbo'ed can be real quick, but it would never outhandle an S2000.

IS300 would be the most comfortable out of the bunch, the S2000 would offer the most performance. On a track the S2k will smoke both no problems.

But you also lose 2 seats. And forget about winter driving. It's up to you really. The RSX-S can be modded to go fast, but it's still a dressed up compact. You can never get away from it's FWD. However, it can be quite practical, decent sized trunk and slap on some winter tires and it'll be ok in winter.

[DISH]

All cars have some serious power potential.

The IS will suck the gas back. Its a pretty thirsty car in stock form. You are not going to get any impressive N/A gains out of the 2JZ. Turbo kit on the other hand would make that car fly. 9psi is an easy 325 hp @ the wheels with almost as much torque. The build quality of the IS is also amazing. Very solid car with a refined whisper like cabin.

RSX. The S is the only way to go. I/H/E and a hondata flash will get you around 220-230 @ the wheels. Nice fit and finish. Huge aftermarket support. Peak power is fairly high up in the power band. For city driving your going to have to wind it up to get it moving.

If your going for lots of power then fwd will be the down fall of this car. As far as insurance goes it's much cheaper to insure than the S2K.

S2K: Rwd, handles great. Decent brakes. Good on gas and fairly reliable.

If power is your ultimate goal then go for the IS300+turbo kit.

[Pete00]

don't bother with an is300 if you actually enjoy the feeling of driving.

[sg1138]

wrx sti or bmw m3 is better or even an rs4

[fast_typeR]

i would go with the s2k for pure driving experience,
but the IS300 if you want some praticality with the car as well

maybe a compromise?? RX-8??

[masterballer]

Actually i just looked at the RX8 and wow, i cant believe i never noticed it, but i think it has all the right power and functions for me. i am going with that. thanks for the help.

[MameXP]

only if you define performance in a straightline acceleration.

the RSX-S is a FWD 4banger economy sporty coupe, its not in the same class as a sportscar or sportsedan


You sir, are saying the IS300 out handles the RSX-S becaust its RWD? You have alot to learn. Dont throw out bs when you dont know.

Most ppl just use RWD or FWD as their main argument but they dont really know. How ironic


The RSX-S with I/RH/E and Hondata K-PRO WILL NOT give you 220-230whp. Jesus, where the heck did you get that number? Unless you dont know how to read lol. Also beware dynapacks and dynajet, they're different. But really you cant compare dyno numbers over the internet, there are so many variables. Fanbois like you usually throw out dyno numbers. Hey my "....." with only 7psi of boost, BOV and few other performance upgrades put down 340whp woohoo! and i have proof of that. See? my car owns ...... LOL any real tunner can care less about your dyno number 'cause infact it doesnt tell all truth. They cant compare the numbers. Dyno results only use to figure how mods have affect a car performance.

About RX-8, i have been involving with rotary engine sometimes with my friends. I like it alot. My great impression is...... rev. It seems like it can rev to infinite. You can so easily over-rev if you dont pay attention. Its the beauty of rotary engine. Open the hood put a fill glass of water on the top of the engine, then start to rev. No single water drop from the glass, see my point. Thats how it feels when i gun the car. The gauge shows RPM going up (not struggling like normal car, it just keep going lol), the sounds tell you the rev is going up BUT you dont feel the car wheel-hops feeling.

Now bad side about the RX-8: GREATLY overated powered. Stock RX-8 only put down 175-178WHP. Mazda did get into trouble for purposely overate the power but i didnt follow up the story. Reliability has throw out of the window even Mazda tried not to go boosted this time. The shut down cold problem is the most common flaw of the RX8, i'm not sure if they fixed it. (if you start the engine cold, you MUST let it warm up to operating temp b4 turn it off or else you wont be able to start it again :) ). Mazda salesman and service are jokes. The parts are way overpriced. The last factor to consider is fuel economy, the RX8 sucks gas like no tmr, yeah its rediculous 15gpm.

If you're looking for some entry sport cars (NOT daily driving) i recommend S2000. THe resale value is great, and it fits everything you want. It revs up to 8500RPM.

[fast_typeR]

The RSX-S with I/RH/E and Hondata K-PRO WILL NOT give you 220-230whp. Jesus, where the heck did you get that number? Unless you dont know how to read lol. Also beware dynapacks and dynajet, they're different. But really you cant compare dyno numbers over the internet, there are so many variables. Fanbois like you usually throw out dyno numbers. Hey my "....." with only 7psi of boost, BOV and few other performance upgrades put down 340whp woohoo! and i have proof of that. See? my car owns ...... LOL any real tunner can care less about your dyno number 'cause infact it doesnt tell all truth. They cant compare the numbers. Dyno results only use to figure how mods have affect a car performance.


http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1026812&postid=12619032
I hope you know what a K20A is. If a K20A can produce that with Hondata, then there's no way the K20C/K20A2 can't produce more. Maybe not 220-230, but somewhere around 210-220. I'll come back when I find some dynos for the K20C/K20A2 with Hondata

[fast_typeR]

http://www.hondata.com/images/reflash05rsx.gif

[Anessa]

You sir, are saying the IS300 out handles the RSX-S becaust its RWD? You have alot to learn. Dont throw out bs when you dont know.

Most ppl just use RWD or FWD as their main argument but they dont really know. How ironic


The RSX-S with I/RH/E and Hondata K-PRO WILL NOT give you 220-230whp. Jesus, where the heck did you get that number? Unless you dont know how to read lol. Also beware dynapacks and dynajet, they're different. But really you cant compare dyno numbers over the internet, there are so many variables. Fanbois like you usually throw out dyno numbers. Hey my "....." with only 7psi of boost, BOV and few other performance upgrades put down 340whp woohoo! and i have proof of that. See? my car owns ...... LOL any real tunner can care less about your dyno number 'cause infact it doesnt tell all truth. They cant compare the numbers. Dyno results only use to figure how mods have affect a car performance.

About RX-8, i have been involving with rotary engine sometimes with my friends. I like it alot. My great impression is...... rev. It seems like it can rev to infinite. You can so easily over-rev if you dont pay attention. Its the beauty of rotary engine. Open the hood put a fill glass of water on the top of the engine, then start to rev. No single water drop from the glass, see my point. Thats how it feels when i gun the car. The gauge shows RPM going up (not struggling like normal car, it just keep going lol), the sounds tell you the rev is going up BUT you dont feel the car wheel-hops feeling.

Now bad side about the RX-8: GREATLY overated powered. Stock RX-8 only put down 175-178WHP. Mazda did get into trouble for purposely overate the power but i didnt follow up the story. Reliability has throw out of the window even Mazda tried not to go boosted this time. The shut down cold problem is the most common flaw of the RX8, i'm not sure if they fixed it. (if you start the engine cold, you MUST let it warm up to operating temp b4 turn it off or else you wont be able to start it again :) ). Mazda salesman and service are jokes. The parts are way overpriced. The last factor to consider is fuel economy, the RX8 sucks gas like no tmr, yeah its rediculous 15gpm.

If you're looking for some entry sport cars (NOT daily driving) i recommend S2000. THe resale value is great, and it fits everything you want. It revs up to 8500RPM.

and the RX8 just loves to go through oil as well.

[ericssonboi]

K20 engine is a very capable engine. I wouldn't doubt you could easily pull 200-210hp at the wheels with Hondata

[gilboman]

You sir, are saying the IS300 out handles the RSX-S becaust its RWD? You have alot to learn. Dont throw out bs when you dont know.



actually i was saying more about usable torque and braking and weight distribution and you can always power out of corners in a RWD IS but not a FWD RSX-S

yes you seem to have a lot to learn.

unless you are saying that the IS is not a sportsedan and the RSX is not a FWD sporty coupe :lol:

[MameXP]

Fast_typeR, you're wrong again.

K20A and K20A2 are different to start with. The poster i was preferring to was claiming RSX-S. I would have known it probably better than anyone in this board about the RSX-S with I/RH/E and Kpro. I was running the same setup. So no, dont pull the same tricks. Btw do you know how to compare dyno numbers? Like i ALREADY said there is no point comparing the dyno number over the internet due to many variables.

If a K20A can produce that with Hondata, then there's no way the K20C/K20A2 can't produce more .

Heck you dont even know what K20A is actually based on your quote. I dont want to bash you again there is no point, but to tell you the hint ;) THe K20A3 is the best top notch engine in Kseries hahahaha that must produce over 230WP with basic bolt-ons and K-Pro. ;)

I dont get you really, you dont know but yet still said stuff that makes ppl laugh. Like when you tried to said about understeering and oversteering. I really thought you messed the explaination but now from your name, your SI avatar (TypeR wannabe) and your quote you clearly has no knowledge whatsoever about the Kseries.

[MameXP]

actually i was saying more about usable torque and braking and weight distribution and you can always power out of corners in a RWD IS but not a FWD RSX-S

yes you seem to have a lot to learn.

unless you are saying that the IS is not a sportsedan and the RSX is not a FWD sporty coupe :lol:

You got offended huh? Well guess what you deserved it. I read many of your post you knows general knowledge but when it comes to a specific question, your answer will be biased due to that general knowledge that you have.

You dont know much about RSX-S to start with, what you have claimed is general FWD disadvantage but do you know the advantage does the RSX-S has?

Define usable torque? Lol the RSX-S is a high rev car it means for high rev, low end torge is pretty common on any high rev car. Its 4 banger to begin with. But its top end will kill the IS300 no doubt about it.

In small tracks you want to have higher rev actually.

Btw if you search, you will see the base torque curve of the RSX-S. Its pretty flat. To me its QUITE flat.

IS300 is a sport sedan but not peppy and quick thro corners as the RSX-S. Thats my point when i see your biased comment

[fast_typeR]

Fast_typeR, you're wrong again.

K20A and K20A2 are different to start with. The poster i was preferring to was claiming RSX-S. I would have known it probably better than anyone in this board about the RSX-S with I/RH/E and Kpro. I was running the same setup. So no, dont pull the same tricks. Btw do you know how to compare dyno numbers? Like i ALREADY said there is no point comparing the dyno number over the internet due to many variables.



Heck you dont even know what K20A is actually based on your quote. I dont want to bash you again there is no point, but to tell you the hint ;) THe K20A3 is the best top notch engine in Kseries hahahaha that must produce over 230WP with basic bolt-ons and K-Pro. ;)

I dont get you really, you dont know but yet still said stuff that makes ppl laugh. Like when you tried to said about understeering and oversteering. I really thought you messed the explaination but now from your name, your SI avatar (TypeR wannabe) and your quote you clearly has no knowledge whatsoever about the Kseries.

Well I'm not going to make any excuses, and you kinda got me there even though on my part I did recall the engine wrong. By K20A I was referring to K20A3, which is the base RSX engine.

What I meant was even with a K20A3 engine with Hondata chip you can get around 190hp with a CAI, so around 185 hp without. So with a K20A2 which is outfitted with the north american RSX-S should be able to produce more.
http://www.hondata.com/images/05CAIstockvs04CAIstock.gif

The 210-220 figure with a K20A2 should be easily achievable.

And the K20A3 is the top notch K series engine? TheK20A3 is the base RSX engine. Enough said.

I think you mean the best engine is the K20A, which is the Integra Type-R engine.

[masterballer]

what about a RX7? those are supposed to be really good cars, but i cant seem to find any RX7 over 1993 (i want something over 93), and i tried autotrader,anyone know where i can find one of these?

[gilboman]

what about a RX7? those are supposed to be really good cars, but i cant seem to find any RX7 over 1993 (i want something over 93), and i tried autotrader,anyone know where i can find one of these?

they stopped making those after 93 and are a b!tch to maintain, atleast the Turbo ones were

[masterballer]

o alright, then what is a good RWD car under 25K USED other than S2k and IS300?

[RendX]

Umm.. the K20A3 does not make anywhere near that with the hondata reflash:

http://www.hondata.com/reflash_rsx_base.html

You're talking about the Type-S reflash...

Well I'm not going to make any excuses, and you kinda got me there even though on my part I did recall the engine wrong. By K20A I was referring to K20A3, which is the base RSX engine.

What I meant was even with a K20A3 engine with Hondata chip you can get around 190hp with a CAI, so around 185 hp without. So with a K20A2 which is outfitted with the north american RSX-S should be able to produce more.
http://www.hondata.com/images/05CAIstockvs04CAIstock.gif

The 210-220 figure with a K20A2 should be easily achievable.

And the K20A3 is the top notch K series engine? TheK20A3 is the base RSX engine. Enough said.

I think you mean the best engine is the K20A, which is the Integra Type-R engine.

[MameXP]

Fast_typeR, I see..

hey listen the post above was kinda amusing you. The K20A3 was to show that you're wrong about the engine. You were thinking the K20A2 is the superior to K20A, thus i was kinda making fun on you the K20A3 should be the best right? I was totally mean i think lol.

I dont know but yeah i was kinda pissed when you came out and said " I dont know if you know ..... but...." Dont mind it alright?

K20A is from ITR producing 217 bhp
K20A2 is from US RSX-S and AU ITR producing 200bhp (02-04) , or 210hp (05-06)
K20A3 is from the base RSX and Civic SiR

I'm sorry i came out jackass to you. Dont mind it bro

There are several difference between the K20A and K20A2 such as LSD, 4.7 FD, more agressive cams and valves retainers, header, exhaust. These things would make K20A a better engine of all.

There is no K20C like you thought for the ITR. Its K20A.

[MameXP]

Umm.. the K20A3 does not make anywhere near that with the hondata reflash:

http://www.hondata.com/reflash_rsx_base.html

You're talking about the Type-S reflash...


You're right, The pic Fast_typeR link is for K20A2 NOt K20A3.

K20A2 with only CAI and #4 reflash/K-Pro: 02-04 187whp-193whp, 05-06 190whp-195whp

The difference between the 02-04 models and the 05-06 models is the 05-06 has ITR exhaust, more aggressive cams (not ITR cams tho), 4.7FD

For K20A2 with I/RH/E and K-Pro would only produce 205WHP-210whp MAX. If you want to break 210 barrier, ITR IM and cams are required.


Note that: you cant add up the HP gain from invidual mod to give you the "estimated" HP produced. Example, RH alone usually gain you 10-15hp at wheel, CAI usually gain 7-15HP but CAI and RH wont gain you 17-30HP. Thats what i mean

From now on, due the new SAE specs, the 06 RSX-S is rated at 201bhp. There is nothing changed so dont confuse

[mlc2000]

If $ is not an issue, the S2000 wins hands down.

[hhh]

which one would you go for? i am looking for something to mod, so thats the only thing, dont care about gas or anything like that.

i personally never liked RSX, I would choose IS300 cuz of the quality and the reputation...it sounds better when you say "I own a Lexus" as oppose to saying "ya man, i drive an Acura/Honda" this is just my personal preference, don't get me wrong and start responding to my post with negative comments....thank you..

[fast_typeR]

Fast_typeR, I see..

hey listen the post above was kinda amusing you. The K20A3 was to show that you're wrong about the engine. You were thinking the K20A2 is the superior to K20A, thus i was kinda making fun on you the K20A3 should be the best right? I was totally mean i think lol.



and judging from that the next thing you say is that you pimped tara reid

[MameXP]

and judging from that the next thing you say is that you pimped tara reid

LOL so how old are you? You dont know much but you tried to show off here, go back to your rice categories

[Alvito]

I'd buy the s2000 so i can crash it and die instantly. :lol:

[DJ_Peanuts22]

s2000 > IS300 > RSX-S

[kingsley]

S2000 > *

[CARLiTO_]

s2k...

imagine is it was AWD!!

Why would u want it to be AWD?

[Anessa]

Roadsters need to be RWD. Nuff said.

[CARLiTO_]

Roadsters need to be RWD. Nuff said.

Exactly. Not just roadsters either, one of the the best setups for road racing is definitely FR.

[fast_typeR]

i think awd will give you better traction and exiting power hitting the corners, which some people will like and which is also what makes the Skyline GT-R successful. You have power going to all 4 wheels of the car, so you're bound to have more turning power.

but yes I agree as well RWD gives you more fun hitting the corners.

[MameXP]

Exactly. Not just roadsters either, one of the the best setups for road racing is definitely FR.


Let me rephrase that ....

Not just roadsters either, one of the the best setups for road racing is definitely MR

[DJ_Peanuts22]

Let me rephrase that ....

Not just roadsters either, one of the the best setups for road racing is definitely MR

agree... which reminds me....

If you dont mind a getting used car... then the Toyota MR2 Turbo (93-95) would be a more suitable alternative to the S2000

[kingsley]

i think awd will give you better traction and exiting power hitting the corners, which some people will like and which is also what makes the Skyline GT-R successful. You have power going to all 4 wheels of the car, so you're bound to have more turning power.

but yes I agree as well RWD gives you more fun hitting the corners.

AWD is going to give you better traction, no doubt about it. But the AWD drivetrain is going to be heavier than a RWD one. That's just one of the drawbacks of AWD.

[masterballer]

What about a CELICA GT-S? How is that, compared to a TypeS RSX?

[DJ_Peanuts22]

What about a CELICA GT-S? How is that, compared to a TypeS RSX?

im assuming you're referring to the last generation Celica here....it's a driver's race at best in terms of speed... but the Celica is the better handling car of the two, more neutral in terms of balance and road feel is among the best in the segment due to its light weight of ~2500lbs.

its an awesome little car

[masterballer]

i mean for modding/acceleration.

[Premium Dude]

The RSX has more potential imo. It is equipped with honda's K-series engine, which has great aftermarket support. Plus, seeing as the engine is fairly new, and its variants used in a wide variety of honda applications, it will continue to be exploited and modded for many years to come. It is simply the future of honda, and a great base engine on which to start working.

[DJ_Peanuts22]

they're both equally good, although i prefer the Celica for its more aggressive styling, lighter weight, and razor sharp handling, it accelerates just as fast (if not faster) than the Type-S.

the 2ZZ-GE engine has a nice song to it once it hits lift, top end power is impressive. and Lotus is using it in its new Elise as well, so Toyota's doing alot of good by developing it in conjunction with Yamaha. in terms of modding, it responds very well to minor mods such as intake/header/exhaust. the power-to-weight ratio is definitely there .

theres ample amounts of material out there to support this, just take some time to google up dynos or visit www.newcelica.org and you'll know what im talking about.

but that aside, the only proper way for you to decide is to go out and actually test drive both cars and draw your conclusions from there.

[oldsnail]

u do know the new celica has been discountined since 05. neverless they are great cars, but over priced for a front wheel drive coupe

also, yamaha and toyota has been making engines since the early 80's..

ie. 4age , 3sgte, etc