honda civic si pricing $26K

[sg1138]

quite expensive for an econobox if you axe me.

[DISH]

Thats a bargain. Similar powertrain to the rsx-s for $7k less.

[daftfunk]

quite expensive for an econobox if you axe me.

what??? if i heard correctly, this is now the former "SiR" coupe, now consistent with the US badging.
price is low, and due to the huge demand there will be no selling below MSRP just like the gen 6th Sir. read the specs, its not an econobox.
price is HOT!

[kingsley]

quite expensive for an econobox if you axe me.

lol good thing no one axed you 'cause that deal is so good it deserves to be posted at the Hot Deals section!

[oldsnail]

quite expensive for an econobox if you axe me.


can u think of any other car with an 2L na engine producing 197hp w/ a 6speed gearbox equppied with LSD running extremly great gas milege at this price range? also, the RSX-S doesnt even have LSD..

the sentra SER specV comes near, but it is fatter than the civic in every single way.

[galanz]

Thats a bargain. Similar powertrain to the rsx-s for $7k less.

Same hp as the RSX-S, plus a limited slip diff. Something the RSX sorely needs.

26K for the Civic is a bargain.

[airodus]

can u think of any other car with an 2L na engine producing 197hp w/ a 6speed gearbox equppied with LSD running extremly great gas milege at this price range? also, the RSX-S doesnt even have LSD..

the sentra SER specV comes near, but it is fatter than the civic in every single way.

Discontinued SRT-4 would rape the Civic. Too bad they don't make it anymore.

[MameXP]

Discontinued SRT-4 would rape the Civic. Too bad they don't make it anymore.


Do you know why? cause noone like it except irresponsible kids thinking it a "Pocket Viper" LOL.

SRT4 sales is such a joke, they cant manage to sell it due to low reliability.


To add to the topic, remember its drive by wire so the slower reponse from the gas penal. It doesnt matter if it has 197HP. Search for their 0-100KM time and quarter mile time. You will be disappointed. Moreover, you can the from the engine bay, there is no space for mods. It would be damn hard to make a race header for it, yes you can make one but not efficient enough. ECU tunning is also limited, not using wide-band 02 sensor is a mistake.

Only thing i like is LSD but again, its drive by wire. There is no point if there is a delay.

[airodus]

Do you know why? cause noone like it except irresponsible kids thinking it a "Pocket Viper" LOL.

SRT4 sales is such a joke, they cant manage to sell it due to low reliability.


To add to the topic, remember its drive by wire so the slower reponse from the gas penal. It doesnt matter if it has 197HP. Search for their 0-100KM time and quarter mile time. You will be disappointed. Moreover, you can the from the engine bay, there is no space for mods. It would be damn hard to make a race header for it, yes you can make one but not efficient enough. ECU tunning is also limited, not using wide-band 02 sensor is a mistake.

Only thing i like is LSD but again, its drive by wire. There is no point if there is a delay.

SRT4 does exactly what it was designed to do. Haul ass on the cheap. Now, that is a very, very, very niche market and that's why the sales are low. Overall, there are much better balanced cars for the price, but in terms of pure speed, there's nothing that can touch it at that price.

Because of the drive by wire, the Civic Si does not even come close to being as quick as the RSX-S. So there will still be a market for the RSX-S (better performance and luxury). However, the base model RSX might lose some sales to the new Civic since at the same price point, the Civic Si beats the pants off the RSX.

[oldsnail]

can u think of any other car with an 2L na engine producing 197hp w/ a 6speed gearbox equppied with LSD running extremly great gas milege at this price range? also, the RSX-S doesnt even have LSD..




Discontinued SRT-4 would rape the Civic. Too bad they don't make it anymore.

FYI, 2L na = 2 Litre naturally aspirated engine; in terms means engines that are neither turbocharged nor supercharged

[Kenneth]

To add to the topic, remember its drive by wire so the slower reponse from the gas penal. It doesnt matter if it has 197HP. Search for their 0-100KM time and quarter mile time. You will be disappointed. Moreover, you can the from the engine bay, there is no space for mods.

Technically they could modify the ECU to enhance the TBW car to be quicker than a similar non-TBW vehicle. Renntech & Kleeman has done this for several Mercedes. Premise being the opposite of the panic stop braking system; where a quick lift off the the brake pedal will launch the car perfectly.

As for mods: I'm pretty sure i've seen some superchargers/turbochargers for the new car already on SEMA press material.

I wouldn't buy/drive a Civic but it's a nice car for it's segment.

[airodus]

FYI, 2L na = 2 Litre naturally aspirated engine; in terms means engines that are neither turbocharged nor supercharged

yah no kidding. if i am to take what you said literally:

"can u think of any other car with an 2L na engine producing 197hp w/ a 6speed gearbox equppied with LSD running extremly great gas milege at this price range?"

It's so specific that it basically amounts to:

"can u think of any other civic si at this price range?"

If you're not being rhetorical and are looking for a similar or better car in terms of price/performance. Then you got the SRT-4 (well maybe not the gas mileage, hahah).

[bensa138]

That's not bad considering I had a 2002 SIR which had an MSRP of 25,500

this new car has a better I-vtec engine, LSD and lots of other upgrades like 17" Rims...

It's around the same performance as an RSX-S but for alot less $$$...

It'd consider it but it's too expensive.

I'll stick with my $6500 integra GSR for now.... :D

[dablackgoku1234]

n00b question, wtf is drive by wire?

and wtf is lsd?

[divx]

n00b question, wtf is drive by wire?

and wtf is lsd?
ditto, i want to know.

[Merkin]

LSD= Limited Slip Differential..... Kinda like posi

[divx]

to prevent slipping? salting the road prevents that already.

[Merkin]

Hmmm...

Here is a good read: http://auto.howstuffworks.com/differential.htm

[wong8egg]

26K is a good price point in my opinoin.

Compare to the first SiR model, many features came standard now. Such as the racing seats, mp3 player, moonroof, spoiler and 17" rims. Not bad for a civic..

[divx]

26K is a good price point in my opinoin.

Compare to the first SiR model, many features came standard now. Such as the racing seats, mp3 player, moonroof, spoiler and 17" rims. Not bad for a civic..
What's SiR mean? What is a moonroof? Same as sunroof? How does a rim being 17" a feature?

[manixc]

The US gets them for just under $20000. With conversion, we Canada are playing almost $3k more. And it's made in Canada!

[daftfunk]

Discontinued SRT-4 would rape the Civic. Too bad they don't make it anymore.

??? why are you comparing a turbo charged car with a NA?

Si is made in Ohio. 4 door is made in Alliston, ON.

[PrinceMS]

n00b question, wtf is drive by wire?

and wtf is lsd?

Drive by wire basically means that when you turn the steering a computer turns the wheel accordingly (its not connected physically with steering ... in a way). All new BMW have it now (first to put in production i think?)I haven't tried it but don't like the idea ... computers do mess up u know.

for the link: LSD is

the only time the clutches step in is when something happens to make one wheel spin faster than the other, as in a turn. The clutches fight this behavior, wanting both wheels to go the same speed. If one wheel wants to spin faster than the other, it must first overpower the clutch

[airodus]

??? why are you comparing a turbo charged car with a NA?

Si is made in Ohio. 4 door is made in Alliston, ON.

The comparison I'm making is between "performance" oriented econoboxes at a similar pricepoint.

The Civic Si, is a better balanced (better reliability, gas mileage, etc) car.

The SRT-4 is a better pure performing car.

That is all. Just because it is a turbo, doesn't invalidate the comparison. For people wanting cheap speed, it's all about performance vs price. The SRT-4 wins hands down. Unfortunately there isn't much of a market for a one trick pony like the SRT-4 (even tho I see quite a few on the road, unlike last gens Civic SiR), and that is why it is discontinued this year.

0-60mph (caranddriver.com)
SRT-4 - 5.3 secs
Civic Si - 7.3 secs

[airodus]

And those who think it's a cheaper RSX-S. Although it has LSD which the RSX-S lacks and similar HP numbers. The real world performance of the RSX-S is much faster.

0-60mph (caranddriver.com)
RSX-S - 6.4 secs

However, compared to the similarly priced base model RSX, the Civic Si is much better.

[Kenneth]

Drive by wire basically means that when you turn the steering a computer turns the wheel accordingly (its not connected physically with steering ... in a way). All new BMW have it now (first to put in production i think?)I haven't tried it but don't like the idea ... computers do mess up u know.


Your confusing yourself with all the odd terminology. When a auto company refers to something via "by-wire" there refering to technology where computer sensors replace/tandem with old cable or hydraulic systems.

The Civic doesn't have "steering by wire" (BMW/Mercedes use trademarked); the Civic has "drive by-wire/throttle by wire" which means the throttle/gas input uses digital input rather than the normal cable system.

[sg1138]

for 26K i'd rather get a bmw 3 series but hey that's just me.

[loho33]

for 26K i'd rather get a bmw 3 series but hey that's just me.


The only BMW's I see for 26k are the ones that have no warranty...

[oldsnail]

What's SiR mean? What is a moonroof? Same as sunroof? How does a rim being 17" a feature?

www.google.com

[sg1138]

The only BMW's I see for 26k are the ones that have no warranty...

not true. you can buy a 1-2 year old bmw 320 for about 26K.