***UPDATED: BOUGHT the 2001 Lexus GS300*** thanx for ur help! pics, 56k warning

[Evil Techie]

I bought the car today, transaction takes place tomorrow
now ive just gotta sell my old escort
hehe


heres my GS300
sry the pics didnt turn out well, its night time, ill have to find a better place and time to take some nice pics

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/1439/img00182cj.jpg

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/9636/img00196cp.jpg

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/4665/img00212un.jpg

my dad is buying me an used car
we decided that we get more bang out of our bucks with an used over new

i dont drive a lot
my current 98 ford escort wagon only has 35,000km on it
yeah thats how little i drove it
but note that i really drove it starting 2 years ago
so lets say i drive 12,000 km per year

my old man is now looking at an used 2001 GS300 from the states
its only got 15,000 miles on it
so thats about 24,500km
and we can get it for about $31,500 thru some connections

no accidents and so on

lexus is tempting with good reliability but im not sure if im ready for that big a$$ car with only 20mpg fuel mileage
what do u think?
an used lexus thats reliable and around 30k should save me money over BMW and also saves me future cost of troubles
GS300 seems like a really nice luxury car but it just isnt very sporty is it? ....

so what to get...
or should i try to negotiate for an used 2002/2003 BMW 325i and get it down to $25,000 ish since the new 3 series is making old 3 much harder to sell
but brian jessel BMW seems to be firm on the prices
they do throw in 1 year BMW warranty if i buy an used BMW from them

i still want to keep my budget around $30000 and use my escort to pay for the tax for new car

[frogger]

If you only drive that much, a TDI is a waste of money, you won't make the money back in gas savings thats for sure.
Driving a VW and driving a Camry, those are worlds apart. Camry's get you from A to B reliably, but its about as boring as it gets. Not that a VW is the ultimate driving machine, but in comparison yes. Keep in mind an all new camry will be here within a year.

[gstylez]

Camry

[akito925]

pick up a base model tdi or a base modle of the camery.. since you not driving that much KM's on it.. why spend $35+ on a car you won't put too much milage onto it.

with tdi.. you can drive it all week long without flling up if your not driving too much.. less gas fill ups be a little cheaper.. but on the other hand a camery has more space.. and reliable.

[an2one]

TDI doesn't make sense based on your driving habits.

As for the passat vs. camry, they are in 2 totally different classes. The camry is just a car, whereas the passat is an enjoyable ride with more performance.

I test drove the passat and I was sold right away. I also test drove the jetta, which was great, but the passat has more features and space. So I bought the passat last week, and I am dying in anticipation for it to get delivered!!!

Based on your budget, my vote is for the passat, hands down. To shave a few dollars, why not just get the leatherette instead of the leather? Same look and feel. (in my opinion)

[Evil Techie]

TDI doesn't make sense based on your driving habits.

As for the passat vs. camry, they are in 2 totally different classes. The camry is just a car, whereas the passat is an enjoyable ride with more performance.

I test drove the passat and I was sold right away. I also test drove the jetta, which was great, but the passat has more features and space. So I bought the passat last week, and I am dying in anticipation for it to get delivered!!!

Based on your budget, my vote is for the passat, hands down. To shave a few dollars, why not just get the leatherette instead of the leather? Same look and feel. (in my opinion)

ah good points
thanx
ill have to see how the leatherette feels
from just looking at the name itself, makes me think of cheap vinyl fake leather
but uve gave me some confidence in that so ill look into it
i hope theres seat warmers


i like to drive, so thats why i chose VW out of a whole lot of other cars

also whats the price of the car that starts to get charged for luxury car tax?
how much would a 34k car cost after tax?

[gordholio]

Please don't laugh, but the Hyundai Sonata is a nice car to consider:

Sonata GLS V6 Premium (Large Car) (http://www.hyundaicanada.com/HYUNDAI/Pages/PriceSteps/PriceStep4.aspx?CarCode=GLSPRE&MMJC=SN6&ModelCode=SN&MLI=..%2fimages%2fshowroom%2frequest%2fbro_img_nam e4.gif&CDN=4&MSC=A&DFP=28000&MNE=AUTOMATIC&MMN=2006+SONATA&CarName=GLS+V6+Premium&CCI=..%2fimages%2festimate%2fN3.jpg&CCP=0&SEAP=0&ST=1&LanguageID=en)

[Shifty]

VW's get bad reliabililty ratings, I'd go with the Toyota.

[cawchy]

Camry

[Evil Techie]

sry but i took too long to edit

what i added into my reply was

whats the price of the car that starts to get charged for luxury car tax?
how much would a 34k car cost after tax?

id like to give the passat a chance
if it is reliable enuf
from what i see, everyone that owns one, absolutely loves it to death

[gstylez]

if u want bling with reliability
nissan maxima!

[romsan04]

Camry

Passat = lost of problems = Junk

and for $36K you can get fully loaded V6 Camry wich will outperforme crapy 2.0T on Passat.

if you dont drive too much get used Japanese car for $10K, it will last you for years :)

[Evil Techie]

if u want bling with reliability
nissan maxima!

not as fuel efficient and safe as i like it to be though

[Evil Techie]

Camry

Passat = lost of problems = Junk

and for $36K you can get fully loaded V6 Camry wich will outperforme crapy 2.0T on Passat.

if you dont drive too much get used Japanese car for $10K, it will last you for years :)

06 camry only has 3 star side impact rating for rear seats
if i wanted 3 stars, i would be keeping my 28/38mpg escort
i also like the looks of the new passat a lot more than all of the cars ive seen in recent years

it really stands out
just a note that 06 passat is redesigned and totally a new model and isnt the old one

so please offer opinions based on the new passat, not the old
thanx

i numbered out the new passat and jetta because their side impact ratings are all 5 stars
front are about 4
amazing safety designs

[thesober]

Please don't laugh, but the Hyundai Sonata is a nice car to consider:

Sonata GLS V6 Premium (Large Car) (http://www.hyundaicanada.com/HYUNDAI/Pages/PriceSteps/PriceStep4.aspx?CarCode=GLSPRE&MMJC=SN6&ModelCode=SN&MLI=..%2fimages%2fshowroom%2frequest%2fbro_img_nam e4.gif&CDN=4&MSC=A&DFP=28000&MNE=AUTOMATIC&MMN=2006+SONATA&CarName=GLS+V6+Premium&CCI=..%2fimages%2festimate%2fN3.jpg&CCP=0&SEAP=0&ST=1&LanguageID=en)


Hyundai's are becoming more reliable and with the new Sonata, its definitely a contender for the camry. Hyundai has come a long way from its pony days....but back to the original post, the VW passat is one beautiful car, so elegant in every way.

[JustMike]

Why don't you keep the car you've got if the mileage is so low?

[Evil Techie]

Why don't you keep the car you've got if the mileage is so low?

3 star front, 3 star side

no ESP

id feel safer in a more structurally sound car
im a good driver but things do happen in life that we can never expect
ive just had a good friend of mine that died in an accident
he was only 19 turning 20
i dont ever want that to happen to me
i was also so sad to hear that news

[konfusion666]

Please don't laugh, but the Hyundai Sonata is a nice car to consider:

Sonata GLS V6 Premium (Large Car) (http://www.hyundaicanada.com/HYUNDAI/Pages/PriceSteps/PriceStep4.aspx?CarCode=GLSPRE&MMJC=SN6&ModelCode=SN&MLI=..%2fimages%2fshowroom%2frequest%2fbro_img_nam e4.gif&CDN=4&MSC=A&DFP=28000&MNE=AUTOMATIC&MMN=2006+SONATA&CarName=GLS+V6+Premium&CCI=..%2fimages%2festimate%2fN3.jpg&CCP=0&SEAP=0&ST=1&LanguageID=en)

You work for Hyundai or something?

[konfusion666]

3 star front, 3 star side

no ESP

id feel safer in a more structurally sound car
im a good driver but things do happen in life that we can never expect
ive just had a good friend of mine that died in an accident
he was only 19 turning 20
i dont ever want that to happen to me
i was also so sad to hear that news

Even if you buy a 5-star rated car, there's always a chance ... something will happen resulting in injury or death. Don't make a car-purchase decision based on your emotional level.

[gordholio]

You work for Hyundai or something?
Of course I don't. I just mentioned it as an alternative since it's a very good car at a about $7,000 less and has a lot of good features and quality.
Plus, it's now classified as a large car and has more power than any of the cars mentioned - 245 hp.

[Evil Techie]

Even if you buy a 5-star rated car, there's always a chance ... something will happen resulting in injury or death. Don't make a car-purchase decision based on your emotional level.

i know... but a 5 star rating means chance of getting serious injury is a lot less than 3 star

[ch1zo]

I also say go for the sonata...

[Evil Techie]

really?
hmm

it does look like it gives me more bang for the buck and fuel efficiency is similar to 2.0T in passat and power beats it

but i dont like the looks of sonata very much as it looks like it is so copied from older accord and such...

hows the reliability of this new 06 Sonata though?

[gstylez]

5star rating etc dude there over rated..
i drive an explorer and i bet everyone here thinks there unsafe
trust me if im in my truck and youre in the other car its unsafe for u not for me as long as i know how to drive :D
maxima>camry?volks
i own a camry and its a good ride and dependable.

[Evil Techie]

5star rating etc dude there over rated..
i drive an explorer and i bet everyone here thinks there unsafe
trust me if im in my truck and youre in the other car its unsafe for u not for me as long as i know how to drive :D
maxima>camry?volks
i own a camry and its a good ride and dependable.

of course camry is a dependable vehicle but i dont think its a driver's car at all

maxima doesnt fair well with the side impacts

here is maxima
http://www.hwysafety.org/ratings/image.ashx?rh=568&id=2

here is passat
http://www.hwysafety.org/ratings/image.ashx?rh=600&id=2

in this case, the driver's torso impact results shows accurately what a good design can do and what a 5 star rating car can do vs a 3/4 star car

heres a list of most popular midsize affordable family sedans with their crash test ratings
http://www.hwysafety.org/ratings/summary.aspx?class=30
camry didnt do that well

[jda]

how about a subaru legacy gt?
best pick for front and side impact
http://www.hwysafety.org/ratings/ratingsbyseries.aspx?id=358

250hp/250 torque.
After you drive it you'll think the new passat drives like a boat. At least that's how I felt after I test drove both in Oct.

[Evil Techie]

how about a subaru legacy gt?
best pick for front and side impact
http://www.hwysafety.org/ratings/ratingsbyseries.aspx?id=358

250hp/250 torque.
After you drive it you'll think the new passat drives like a boat. At least that's how I felt after I test drove both in Oct.

yeah ive actually gave it a hard thought at that
but fuel efficiency will be compromised for AWD and if i want to keep the engine at around 200hp, subaru's 175hp looks nice but how is its 4 speed automatic?

also is it a bit small?
it looks like its got a compact interior

[mlc2000]

Who cares how you drive? The TDI saves $ on fuel.Period.
Yea the camry is bigger but have a look around.

ONLY OLD PEOPLE DRIVE CAMRY'S.

THEY ARE THE NEW BUICK / OLDSMOBILE !!

Too bad the 06 Passat didn't come with diesel.
Maybe 07, hope so, my 03 Jetta comes off lease Feb 07.

It would be tough to go back to gas after the TDI.



Another alernative

2006 HYUNDAI AZERA

Base model $ 34,495

The Azera enjoys more interior room than either the Toyota Avalon,
BMW 750i or Mercedes-Benz S-Class

[JustMike]

3 star front, 3 star side

IMHO, that's hardly a good reason to buy a different car. Save your money and go take a defensive driving course.

no ESP

With a Ford Escort, you could replace it 3 times over compared to the price of a new VW or Camry.

ive just had a good friend of mine that died in an accident
he was only 19 turning 20
i dont ever want that to happen to me
i was also so sad to hear that news

Sorry about your friend, but ***** happens... it could've happened in any vehicle.

[Qube]

Determine your budget completely.
Determine exactly what you need your car to do (traction? awd?)
Determine the warranty types of the vehicles meeting those criteria

Then go out and try them. You can go by the opinions of everyone and never come up with a conclusion. Everyone has their likes and dislikes.

Like me... I like the interier build quality of the VWs yet I like the dependability of older (re: ~1995) BMWs.

[jda]

yeah ive actually gave it a hard thought at that
but fuel efficiency will be compromised for AWD and if i want to keep the engine at around 200hp, subaru's 175hp looks nice but how is its 4 speed automatic?

also is it a bit small?
it looks like its got a compact interior

Not sure about the 175hp never tried that one.
I own an older version with 168hp and I wouldn't call it speedy by any means.
I dont think the fuel consumption will affect you too much since you only drive 35000km in 5 yrs?
Also, since you are so concern with safety, all wheel drive will be an added bonus for extra traction in wet and snow.

[Ride-On]

Who cares how you drive? The TDI saves $ on fuel.Period.
Yea the camry is bigger but have a look around.

Errrrnk (buzzer sound) - wrong. Well, okay, part marks. TDI vs. gas = more fuel efficient. However, unless you rack up miles, you won't break even with the TDI purchase. Keep in mind that you have to make up for:

a) the premium in cost of TDI (in the neighbourhood of 1500-3000 bucks)
b) the extra maintenance costs of the TDI (need special oil ($), diesels require more frequent and religious oil changes to ensure durability

And this my friend... is coming from someone who really wanted to buy a TDI.

[McLaren]

IMHO, that's hardly a good reason to buy a different car. Save your money and go take a defensive driving course.

No driving course will prevent a drunk driver run a red light and hit you dead on from the side at 60+km/h

Sorry about your friend, but ***** happens... it could've happened in any vehicle.

Yeah sh*t happens... when someone close to you passes away I'd like to see you say that in the eulogy.

[seftonm]

b) the extra maintenance costs of the TDI (need special oil ($), diesels require more frequent and religious oil changes to ensure durability

And this my friend... is coming from someone who really wanted to buy a TDI.

You must not have done much research. The oil change interval of the 1.9 TDI is 16000 kms. Some owners are pushing that to over 30000 kms with higher quality oils such as Mobil Delvac.

[sg1138]

the jetta or passat drives better than the camry. At least the former isn't an econobox! :lol: :lol:

[konfusion666]

ONLY OLD PEOPLE DRIVE CAMRY'S.


a statement which is 100% pure hyperbole, 0% pure fact -- easily confirmed by standing at any intersection in the GTA, and watching the drivers of Camry's as they pass you by...

[Ride-On]

You must not have done much research. The oil change interval of the 1.9 TDI is 16000 kms. Some owners are pushing that to over 30000 kms with higher quality oils such as Mobil Delvac.

Actually, I've done loads of research... hello Fred's TDI Club (http://www.tdiclub.com) ... the problem, or risk rather, lies in the fact that diesels run at much higher compression ratios than gassers (even turbo charged) -- translating to more stress = higher degree of risk from missing or delaying oil changes. And as far as oil is concerned, the PD-TDI is more finnicky than the older TDI, though Fred's now lists 3 standards for the PD... still, the PD's oil is a bit more expensive than normal.

[Evil Techie]

ok i think i should consider the passat and the subaru legacy now
see how the subaru drives and how it compares to the new passat

[turanuk]

Keep in mind that the 2.5i Ltd is the only way to get leather on a Legacy in canada (while still staying within your price range), which I assume is important to you.

[Evil Techie]

Keep in mind that the 2.5i Ltd is the only way to get leather on a Legacy in canada, which I assume is important to you.

nah
i can do without leather
gf doesnt want me to get leather which results in more animals getting hurt...

ill have to go visit my local subaru and learn about the features and models they have to offer, i dont know much about their current line ups and innovations

all i know is their old forester is butt ugly but all of their cars performs well with the standard AWD
just want a fuel efficient car too though

how is the reliability of the new legacy though?

[sg1138]

how is the reliability of the new legacy though?

I read this article and it showed subaru has best reliability after lexus. :D

[blizzah]

gf doesnt want me to get leather which results in more animals getting hurt.

Now you can get teh leatherette!

[M-e-X-x]

owning an impreza 2.5i sport wagon, the 4-banger 173 hp engine 4 speed auto isn't too bad.. picks up pretty well and the AWD kicks.. although you probably won't need it at all in vancouver.. fuel economy is pretty good.. on the sport wagon i'm estimating around 500 km a tank for now (bound to increase), but the legacy is heavier, so i'd say around there overall

[frogger]

Camrys are for people not interested in cars. Its the maytag of vehicles.

[konfusion666]

get the Camry SE V6, with the engine from the ES330, so you can blow smoke in the face of all the people whining about it being an appliance... plus it's got those side airbags you wanted so that it's side-test rating is more than 3 stars.

[turanuk]

get the Camry SE V6, with the engine from the ES330, so you can blow smoke in the face of all the people whining about it being an appliance... plus it's got those side airbags you wanted so that it's side-test rating is more than 3 stars.

....Have you read the fuel consumption numbers for the V6? Last I checked they were horrible.

[romsan04]

....Have you read the fuel consumption numbers for the V6? Last I checked they were horrible.

dude go and check subaru impreza fuel consumption, you will be surprized because they are not far off.....

2006 Impreza 2.5l 10.4/7.8(city/hwy) Auto 10.7/7.5 (manual)
2006 Impreza WRX 11.4/8.5(city/hwy) Auto 12.0/8.3 (manual)

2006 Passat 2.0T 10.8/7.1 L Unleaded 95 octane (unleaded 91 octane alternative with slight reduction in performance)

2006 Camry V6 11.5/7.3

VW are crap, car for people who wants to know why its not working and how can I do it myself, because VW dealers are incompitent and charges through the roof....

go for it, I hope you will not regret it.

[Reggin]

The bes tcar in your range is, hands down, the 2006 Sonata:

Power wise, it has more power then any of the cars in your first post.

Safety-wise, check this: http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/new_cars_trucks/1876537.html?page=3&c=y

- The Sonata won teh saftey award from Popular Mechanics! :cheesygri

Reliability-wise: Consumer Reports named the Sonata "North America's most reliable car".

Get the Sonata, save some cash, get a great car.

Case closed.

[JohnB]

If the guy has $35,000 cash I dont think he should get a Sonata. In a few years itll be worth nothing at all.

Dont know if anyone has mentioned this, but what about the Accord v6 ? The Camry is like a giant Buick.

I like the Accord, not too flashy, enough power, and it rides pretty well. Maybe get an 05 if you can, the 06 has those funny tail lights.

I dont like the Passat so I wouldnt get that one either, and you dont want a TDI so that rules out the Jetta.

[konfusion666]

....Have you read the fuel consumption numbers for the V6? Last I checked they were horrible.

Which V6, the 3.0 or the 3.3?

I would imagine they would be no different than other V6's of the same class, i.e. Accord. Although I don't have a link to that "real-world" ConsumerReports mileage test which is much more accurate than manufacturer-quoted specs... you might want to check that

[turanuk]

Which V6, the 3.0 or the 3.3?

I would imagine they would be no different than other V6's of the same class, i.e. Accord. Although I don't have a link to that "real-world" ConsumerReports mileage test which is much more accurate than manufacturer-quoted specs... you might want to check that

yeah I'm sure it's not bad for a V6, but compared to the 4 cylinder cars he's considering, it's relatively bad. On a related note, for Evil Techie:

CHERRY HILL, N.J., Dec. 4 /PRNewswire/ -- Subaru of America, Inc. today announced that the 2006 Subaru Legacy earned the highest rating in the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) crash tests. The 2006 Subaru Legacy received "GOOD" ratings in the frontal, side and rear-impact crash tests for both the driver and passenger seating positions. Based on this performance, the IIHS gave the 2006 Legacy a first-ever "Top Safety Pick Gold" award.

[mlc2000]

Wanted to?
This my friend is from someone who owns one:

The diesel for jetta was $1500 more. Plus I got a $100 FUEL TAX REBATE.
The fuel tax on a Camry is $500. Now the diff is $900.

I get 2X the mileage that I would on a Camry, I know, my father-in-law owns one. At roughly $50/tank, we're talking about 18 full tanks to break even.
Thats not too bad, if you fill up every 2 weeks, its 9 months.

That sure is a lonnnnngg time in the life of a car.

If you look in the owners manual, VW doesn't specifically recommend synthetic. Mine's an '03, I put one batch of synthetic in at $90, never again.



Errrrnk (buzzer sound) - wrong. Well, okay, part marks. TDI vs. gas = more fuel efficient. However, unless you rack up miles, you won't break even with the TDI purchase. Keep in mind that you have to make up for:

a) the premium in cost of TDI (in the neighbourhood of 1500-3000 bucks)
b) the extra maintenance costs of the TDI (need special oil ($), diesels require more frequent and religious oil changes to ensure durability

And this my friend... is coming from someone who really wanted to buy a TDI.

[mlc2000]

My 84 yr old neighbour has the LE and my 79 yr old father-in-law has the SE.

This vehicle drives like a bus.

get the Camry SE V6, with the engine from the ES330, so you can blow smoke in the face of all the people whining about it being an appliance... plus it's got those side airbags you wanted so that it's side-test rating is more than 3 stars.

[Ride-On]

I can't object to good facts - I stand (well, sit currently) corrected. I'll fully admit to having blinders on in terms of looking at it in terms of gas Jetta to Jetta TDI and not looking at the Camry vs. TDI costs. Even so, I'm thinking the premium on the TDI has shrunk. The comparison I have in mind is Protege v. TDI. The prices on the used TDI's make the Proteges a better option for me. (sorry about the threadjack OP!)

'03 = non-PD = higher mileage and no need for the special oil. Nice. If only there were more (any??) 03 wagons around.

Wanted to?
This my friend is from someone who owns one:

The diesel for jetta was $1500 more. Plus I got a $100 FUEL TAX REBATE.
The fuel tax on a Camry is $500. Now the diff is $900.

I get 2X the mileage that I would on a Camry, I know, my father-in-law owns one. At roughly $50/tank, we're talking about 18 full tanks to break even.
Thats not too bad, if you fill up every 2 weeks, its 9 months.

That sure is a lonnnnngg time in the life of a car.

If you look in the owners manual, VW doesn't specifically recommend synthetic. Mine's an '03, I put one batch of synthetic in at $90, never again.

[Nismo]

not sure if anyone mentioned a honda accord, or acura tsx. They are both nice cars that is roomy. Not sure if they are in your price range or not(cant remember the prices of those cars)

[Alvito]

The bes tcar in your range is, hands down, the 2006 Sonata:

Power wise, it has more power then any of the cars in your first post.

Safety-wise, check this: http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/new_cars_trucks/1876537.html?page=3&c=y

- The Sonata won teh saftey award from Popular Mechanics! :cheesygri

Reliability-wise: Consumer Reports named the Sonata "North America's most reliable car".

Get the Sonata, save some cash, get a great car.

Case closed.


Reggin, Why are you a racist.

[seftonm]

505.01 oil prices for the PD aren't bad around here, I'm not sure about the rest of Canada. Even if they do charge a lot, keep in mind that the car will be going 2-3 times the same distance before another oil change is needed when compared to a regular gas engine running dino oil.

[mlc2000]

Reggin, Why are you a racist.
What an idotic posting.

[Evil Techie]

well my dad doesnt like the looks of subaru...

hes now thinking of spending $30k on a 2nd hand BMW or lexus...

there goes the fuel efficiency that i had in mind...
found a few 2000 5 series that he likes
also a 2003 530i for $31,900

i still want to include the new passat on my list though

guess what just made the list also
the new 06 BMW 3 series
i showed my dad the pics on the website, he likes it a lot and it is gorgeous

and i think i can sell my escort for a little more to cover the extra cost

[turanuk]

good choices, 2nd hand BMW might be iffy for reliability. If I were you, I would take Lexus used, or the New 06 BMW. Anything beats VW reliability....unless they "redesigned" their cars to no longer be made in Mexico.

[JohnB]

well my dad doesnt like the looks of subaru...

hes now thinking of spending $30k on a 2nd hand BMW or lexus...

there goes the fuel efficiency that i had in mind...
found a few 2000 5 series that he likes
also a 2003 530i for $31,900

i still want to include the new passat on my list though

guess what just made the list also
the new 06 BMW 3 series
i showed my dad the pics on the website, he likes it a lot and it is gorgeous

and i think i can sell my escort for a little more to cover the extra cost

If I may ask is the car for you ? The cars you mentioned are usually favored by older peolpe I thought you were 17 or so :)

Anyway the 3 series is nice - dont get one of the base models - its not worth it - look at the 330 really nice car.

If its for your Dad the 5 series is pretty much an executive car thats fun to drive, thats a nice step up; the 3 series is kind of small.

But if youre buying used, they are very costly cars.

Dont forget to get the special BMW anti-rattle package.

[frogger]

Oh this is for your dad not you? That explains why Camry was on the list. 3 series is nice but not a big amount of rear seat room if he's using it as a family car.

[Evil Techie]

its for me

im 20 yo and i have a matured taste in cars...
lol

if my dad stays in vancouver more often, the new 5 would be the one to get but he travels so often that hes not here most of the time

its mostly just me driving the car
im the only child in my family and my mom doesnt drive
so i would drive her to places if she needs to
and i need to drive my gf to places too

thats all there is
are the new 3 series reliable?

[JohnB]

The BMW is a nice car, its also for image and prestige, but if you can afford one Id go for it. Even better if it serves double as a "family" car to drive your mom around, etc, you can reason the extra expense over a plain accord/camry.

There are 3 types of 3Series sedans:

323 - Really a budget model entry, for the price minded
325 - More power, nice car
330 - Closer to M3 you can even track this car on the weekends (as they say, its not my term :))

You can lease a 330 sedan for about $5000 down, $500 a month.

If buying used you dont know how hard the previous owner drove it, and these are sports cars after all. With a lease its a new car and you just give it back after 3-4 years no headaches or repairs, and then pick something else.

(Honda Civics you can drive forever on the cheap, BMWs are more expensive in every area so factor that too.)

Another good place to ask for general advice would be the VW CarLouge on VWVortex.com. Thats a great forum too, really popular place - not just for VWs.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zeroforum?id=1

[Evil Techie]

The BMW is a nice car, its also for image and prestige, but if you can afford one Id go for it. Even better if it serves double as a "family" car to drive your mom around, etc, you can reason the extra expense over a plain accord/camry.

There are 3 types of 3Series sedans:

323 - Really a budget model entry, for the price minded
325 - More power, nice car
330 - Closer to M3 you can even track this car on the weekends (as they say, its not my term :))

You can lease a 330 sedan for about $5000 down, $500 a month.

If buying used you dont know how hard the previous owner drove it, and these are sports cars after all. With a lease its a new car and you just give it back after 3-4 years no headaches or repairs, and then pick something else.

(Honda Civics you can drive forever on the cheap, BMWs are more expensive in every area so factor that too.)

Another good place to ask for general advice would be the VW CarLouge on VWVortex.com. Thats a great forum too, really popular place - not just for VWs.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zeroforum?id=1


ive been a member of vwvortex for a few weeks now
been lurking for a few months too
doesnt seem to be a good place to ask for what brand of cars they prefer because after all, it is a VW enthusiast forum

heres an update of whats going on with my car search now

my old man is now looking at an used 2001 GS300 from the states
its only got 15,000 miles on it
so thats about 24,500km
and we can get it for about $30,500 thru some connections

no accidents and so on

lexus is tempting with good reliability but im not sure if im ready for that big a$$ car with only 20mpg fuel mileage
what do u think?
an used lexus thats reliable and around 30k should save me money over BMW and also saves me future cost of troubles
GS300 seems like a really nice luxury car but it just isnt very sporty is it? ....

[DJ_Peanuts22]

the suspensions on the old GS300 a bit soft... since its a large luxury sedam, its no bmw 5 series, but it will do the job in a more civilized manner. its got one heck of a sweet engine though (I6 engine from the Supra), which i think is one of the main reasons ppl choose the GS300 over the others

[McLaren]

ive been a member of vwvortex for a few weeks now
been lurking for a few months too
doesnt seem to be a good place to ask for what brand of cars they prefer because after all, it is a VW enthusiast forum

You obviously don't read the Car Lounge then, lots of unbiased info there, with lots of knowledgable members with many different makes of cars.

[Anessa]

I'd pony up for the GS430 if I was in this situation. Nice ride, very plush and definitely a Civic beater. And award winning Lexus quality

[Evil Techie]

You obviously don't read the Car Lounge then, lots of unbiased info there, with lots of knowledgable members with many different makes of cars.


ah ok thanx
thought i was looking at the VW part of the vwvortex forums

it would probably cost a lot to get harder suspension then eh?

oh also the GS300 is silver which IMO is so 90's...
i wish it was white or black, then id buy it in a jiffy

[ainsane]

Have you considered an Audi A4? It's a great looking car and is only the second car to become an IIHS "double best pick" which means it's a best pick in both the frontal-offset and side-impact crash tests, according to Consumer Reports. MSRP is around $35,000.

[Evil Techie]

Have you considered an Audi A4? It's a great looking car and is only the second car to become an IIHS "double best pick" which means it's a best pick in both the frontal-offset and side-impact crash tests, according to Consumer Reports. MSRP is around $35,000.

im not really interested in A4 now as i need automatic transmission and ive heard that previous gen of A4 has really unrealiable auto trans
im not considering new either, i do want to keep it under 30k

[ainsane]

im not really interested in A4 now as i need automatic transmission and ive heard that previous gen of A4 has really unrealiable auto trans
im not considering new either, i do want to keep it under 30k

Ohh what about a used Infinity G35 :) I don't know anything abotu the safety for it, but it's such a beautiful car.

[romsan04]

ive been a member of vwvortex for a few weeks now
been lurking for a few months too
doesnt seem to be a good place to ask for what brand of cars they prefer because after all, it is a VW enthusiast forum

heres an update of whats going on with my car search now

my old man is now looking at an used 2001 GS300 from the states
its only got 15,000 miles on it
so thats about 24,500km
and we can get it for about $30,500 thru some connections

no accidents and so on

lexus is tempting with good reliability but im not sure if im ready for that big a$$ car with only 20mpg fuel mileage
what do u think?
an used lexus thats reliable and around 30k should save me money over BMW and also saves me future cost of troubles
GS300 seems like a really nice luxury car but it just isnt very sporty is it? ....

so you want luxury sporty car with excellent fuel mileage cheap maintenance, and low cost??? guess what it does not exist. you get a luxury car you will have to pay premium for gas/maintenance/insurance

get a civic and you can save on everything.

[dablackgoku1234]

go for the GS400/430

- 300hp/300 torque
- 4L V8 engine, that uses almost the same amount of gas as the IS300. DON'T LET THE ENGINE SIZE FOOL YOU, the difference between the GS300 and GS430 is only 2 mpg
- a tad more expensive than the GS300 (we're talking $1k-2k)
- kick the **** out of any ricer
- fully loaded, Bi-xenons, lexus quality

Con
- ugly interior

[M-e-X-x]

i'd take the lexus on a strictly reliability view.. bmw's are not reliable.. they're the ultimate driving machines, but not the ultimate reliability machines.. you'll also have to pony up quite a bit for options in a bmw... lexus's come equipped with everything, sans a few 'options' (navi, parking sensors, etc.) that you probably don't need anyways

[Evil Techie]

how about a 2001 lexus IS300?
is it a good car?
reliable and comparable to BMW 3 series?

[gilboman]

how about a 2001 lexus IS300?
is it a good car?
reliable and comparable to BMW 3 series?

its one of the most reliable sportsedans (if not the most) has great build quality and good amount of low end power. but it's a small car with small backseat.

but it isnt comparable to a BMW330 or 325 in terms of driving dynamics (handling) but then again not any other sportsedans are including the G35.

[Anessa]

so you want luxury sporty car with excellent fuel mileage cheap maintenance, and low cost??? guess what it does not exist. you get a luxury car you will have to pay premium for gas/maintenance/insurance

get a civic and you can save on everything.

OR get an Accord.

[Evil Techie]

ok ok, fuel mileage isnt a much since i dont drive a heck lot anyways
difference for me would only be like $200 a year
worth it to get a better driving car instead

but i still want something for around 30k and isnt too costly to maintain

i really dont like the exterior look of accord, interior looks great

i think nowadays i can find a decent old BMW 3 series for under 30k since new 3 is killing the old 3 prices

[manixc]

ok ok, fuel mileage isnt a much since i dont drive a heck lot anyways
difference for me would only be like $200 a year
worth it to get a better driving car instead

but i still want something for around 30k and isnt too costly to maintain

i really dont like the exterior look of accord, interior looks great

i think nowadays i can find a decent old BMW 3 series for under 30k since new 3 is killing the old 3 prices

Interior of the car is more important than the exterior since you spend most of the time inside.

My personal preference would be the Lexus if only limited to these choices. However, if you are spending ~30k, why not consider a new car or at least a 1-2 yr old used car with some warrenty left.

[Evil Techie]

Interior of the car is more important than the exterior since you spend most of the time inside.

My personal preference would be the Lexus if only limited to these choices. However, if you are spending ~30k, why not consider a new car or at least a 1-2 yr old used car with some warrenty left.

what sort of 1-2 yr old used sedan can i get thats not an altima, accord...

[manixc]

what sort of 1-2 yr old used sedan can i get thats not an altima, accord...

Sorry don't really have a suggestion in mind.
a maxima or impreza wrx?

[ainsane]

what sort of 1-2 yr old used sedan can i get thats not an altima, accord...

Here's some info from consumer reports that you might find useful I got from consumerreports.org. (I'm registered on the site.) The Acura TL looks like a good bet. Have you taken a look at that one? Nice looking car too.

Reliable used cars:

$20,000-$24,000
Acura RSX ’04, TL ‘03
BMW 3 Series (AWD) ‘01
Honda Odyssey ’04, S2000 ‘01-02
Infiniti I35 ’03, QX4 ‘01
Lexus GS300/GS400 ’00, IS300 ’02, LS400 ’99,
RX300 ‘00
Lincoln Town Car ‘02
Nissan Maxima ’04, Pathfinder ‘03-04
Porsche Boxster ‘99
Subaru Outback (6-cyl.) ‘03
Toyota 4Runner ‘01-02, Avalon ‘03-04,
Highlander ‘02-03, Land Cruiser ’99,
Prius ’04, Tundra ‘03-04

$24,000-$28,000
Acura MDX ’01, RL ’02, TSX ‘04
BMW 3 Series ‘02
Honda Odyssey ’03, Pilot ‘03-04, S2000 ‘03
Infiniti QX4 ‘02
Lexus ES300 ’02, GS300/GS430 ’01, IS300 ’03,
LS400 ’00, LX470 ’99, RX300 ‘01
Nissan Murano ‘03-04
Saab 9-5 ‘04
Subaru Outback (6-cyl.) ‘04
Toyota 4Runner ‘03-04, Highlander ’04,
Land Cruiser ’00, Sequoia ‘01

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http://ainsane.com/rfd/top_safety.gif

[mlc2000]

Interior of the car is more important than the exterior since you spend most of the time inside.


If that were true, Pontiac would have sold more Azteks !! :cheesygri

[Evil Techie]

ah so a 01 GS300 is a good buy then?

i dont find the exterior of a 01~02 TL very attractive

the GS300 we are looking at is for 30500 which is basically sold at cost thru connections
its got original lexus GPS, rear view camera view (monitor in rear view mirror, not sure if its aftermarket or stock)...
basically its totally loaded and only has 25000km on it
so i think its a good buy
previous owner is a lady that took care of it very well so i have confidence with its reliability
my dad test drove it today, he said its a quiet and very smooth and comfortable ride
enuf power too

i have to wait until im done with my exams to go test drive it and try it out and decide

[DJ_Peanuts22]

just go buy it, before someone else gets to it before you do, or else you're gonna regret not jumping on the deal... after all you're an RFD'er ;)

[ainsane]

ah so a 01 GS300 is a good buy then?

i dont find the exterior of a 01~02 TL very attractive

the GS300 we are looking at is for 30500 which is basically sold at cost thru connections
its got original lexus GPS, rear view camera view (monitor in rear view mirror, not sure if its aftermarket or stock)...
basically its totally loaded and only has 25000km on it
so i think its a good buy
previous owner is a lady that took care of it very well so i have confidence with its reliability
my dad test drove it today, he said its a quiet and very smooth and comfortable ride
enuf power too

i have to wait until im done with my exams to go test drive it and try it out and decide

You can get an '04 TL with high km for around $30k.

http://www.trader.ca/powerpage/details.aspx?vlotid=437242&adid=4869569#

The GS300 sounds nice though. I find the GS a bit boring but its a really good quality car. With the way you drive a car and your budget... why don't you get a low mileage lease? You can get a new car that way and you won't be stuck with one for many years.

[lofidelity]

ah so a 01 GS300 is a good buy then?

i dont find the exterior of a 01~02 TL very attractive

the GS300 we are looking at is for 30500 which is basically sold at cost thru connections
its got original lexus GPS, rear view camera view (monitor in rear view mirror, not sure if its aftermarket or stock)...
basically its totally loaded and only has 25000km on it
so i think its a good buy
previous owner is a lady that took care of it very well so i have confidence with its reliability
my dad test drove it today, he said its a quiet and very smooth and comfortable ride
enuf power too

i have to wait until im done with my exams to go test drive it and try it out and decide

It sounds like your dad will be the one paying and you will need his approval. It also sounds like that your dad is really gunning for the GS, since that's the car you've been talking most about. Given all that, I would go for the Lexus if you think that you can live with it after test driving it.

On the other hand, if you're paying, then you should stop letting your dad dictate which car you should buy and decide for yourself.

[Evil Techie]

yeah it is my dad buying it for me
well for us but it will be under my name and ill be driving it most of the time


its pretty hard to find a 03 and up TL for around 30k in BC for some reasons...
i guess 2nd hand cars are cheaper in ontario than BC?

my dad doesnt think acura is as good of a brand as lexus so he cant justify spending 30k on it instead of a lexus

btw that lexus GS300 just upped its price to 31500
which i still think its worth it but ill need to secure the car fast as its a hot buy that many ppl are flocking over already
damn exams...

[ainsane]

my dad doesnt think acura is as good of a brand as lexus so he cant justify spending 30k on it instead of a lexus


Lexus is on par with Acura. Just like Toyota is on par with Honda. I personally prefer Acuras more to Lexus's but they're roughly equals. I'm just providing alternatives which are good.

Here's a chart of owner satisfaction for upscale cars:

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/resources/Categories/CarsTrucks/Reports/Images/0404sat205.gif

And here's one for "luxury cars".

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/resources/Categories/CarsTrucks/Reports/Images/0404sat207.gif

So it all depends on how much you're getting off the market value I guess.

[Narci]

I'd go take a look at the TSX.

06 is nice...everything inside a TL including bluetooth, IPOD integration, AUX in for MP3 players, memory seats, leather, Xenons etc.

Should be able to get one for $41000 out the door.

Course i'm biase cause I have one, with NAVI. Love it.

I had the problem of deciding on a Jetta or a TSX. I looked at the jetta and it looked too much like a corolla hehe.

The sonata is nice too for the price though it looks like an accord.

How about a Mazda 3 or a Mazda 6?

[romsan04]

Lexus is on par with Acura. Just like Toyota is on par with Honda.

Acura is not on par with Lexus.
Acura = HONDA. Only in NA they have sub-division to compete with Lexus, but in fact it is HONDA. Different story with Lexus, while it still owned by Toyota and they do share lots of different parts, Lexus interior is way more luxorius then Accura. I do like new TSX look, NA Honda Accord is soo ugly.......

[cranky]

Lexus is on par with Acura. Just like Toyota is on par with Honda. I personally prefer Acuras more to Lexus's but they're roughly equals. I'm just providing alternatives which are good.

Here's a chart of owner satisfaction for upscale cars:



Acura's are not even close to Lexus because all acura's are just rebadged honda econosedans, e.g. Accord is TL, euro Accord is TSX, civic is CSX and etc.. the whole lineup is rebadged economy cars from honda. with only the RL being the execption, but it doesnt sell and is not considered in same class as Lexus/BMW/MB anyways.

acura's are a good poorman's luxury car though.

[jda]

Acura is not on par with Lexus.
Acura = HONDA. Only in NA they have sub-division to compete with Lexus, but in fact it is HONDA. Different story with Lexus, while it still owned by Toyota and they do share lots of different parts,

Same thing applies to Lexus.
There is no such thing as Lexus is in Japan.
They are known as Toyota.
The problem with Acura is that all of their cars with the exception of RL are FWD.

Not a fan of either brand but I have to admit both companies produce cars with better reliability. However, if I have that much deposible income to spend on a car, I wouldn't worry about reliability anyway. Just buy a new one every 3year.

[Anessa]

Acura's are not even close to Lexus because all acura's are just rebadged honda econosedans, e.g. Accord is TL, euro Accord is TSX, civic is CSX and etc.. the whole lineup is rebadged economy cars from honda. with only the RL being the execption, but it doesnt sell and is not considered in same class as Lexus/BMW/MB anyways.

acura's are a good poorman's luxury car though.

You sound like gilboman's best friend :lol:

[gilboman]

Same thing applies to Lexus.
There is no such thing as Lexus is in Japan.
They are known as Toyota.
The problem with Acura is that all of their cars with the exception of RL are FWD.



actually, there is lexus in japan..you may want to recheck your facts ;)

moreover, the new IS, new GS and upcomming LS have never been sold under the toyota name, its all exclusive to lexus ;)

[gilboman]

You sound like gilboman's best friend :lol:

nah..just another of many informed consumers who realize the entire acura lineup is rebadged economy honda offerings

[frogger]

All but Acuras but the NSX are built on Accord, Civic or Pilot platform IIRC. EL being the least modified Honda (TSX is Euro Accord).
Lexus SUV's are tweaked Toyotas and the ES330 is a plush Camry but the GS, IS, LS and SC are Lexus only.

[JohnB]

actually, there is lexus in japan..you may want to recheck your facts ;)

moreover, the new IS, new GS and upcomming LS have never been sold under the toyota name, its all exclusive to lexus ;)

What Lexus brand models have been sold in Japan???

From 1989-1990 to just recently Lexus was an export name to the NorthAmerican market. In Japan they are/were just regular Toyotas.

The Toyota Celsior is the NA Lexus LS $$$
The Toyota Aristo is the NA Lexus GS $$
The Toyota Alteza is the NA Lexus IS $

No Lexus in Japan, just like no Infinity nor Acura.

Granted Lexus is going on sale in Japan soon or already (2005-06), but they havent been sold as Lexus there in 15 years, since conception.

Maybe people will disagree with me, thats fine :) , but I dont view Acura or Lexus as prestige brands. Luxury yes, but not as much show as Mercedes, BMW, or Jaguar.

[JohnB]

All but Acuras but the NSX are built on Accord, Civic or Pilot platform IIRC. EL being the least modified Honda (TSX is Euro Accord).
Lexus SUV's are tweaked Toyotas and the ES330 is a plush Camry but the GS, IS, LS and SC are Lexus only.

The Lexus SC coupe is the Toyota Soarer outside NorthAmerica.

LS GS and IS are just regular Toyotas, or at least you can buy them with Toyota badges. I dont know if the interior is redone for Lexus, but I doubt it.

[pandaharo]

Maybe people will disagree with me, thats fine :) , but I dont view Acura or Lexus as prestige brands. Luxury yes, but not as much show as Mercedes, BMW, or Jaguar.

Please at least take mercedes off your list of prestige brands, I'm gonna throw up. MERCEDES MAKES CRAP ON 4 WHEELS and yes regrettably I did own one from brand new, so I know what I am talking about like many others. I'd take Lexus over Mercedes any day (already have), the driving experience, the comfortness, the features, the RELIABILITY, the service, the performance. And NO, I dont consider sticking a 500hp supercharged engine into a POS makes it a sport car, that is not performance nor is it a sports car. The handling of a mercedes would be a good transition if you drive boats for a living, I bet you wont even be able to tell the difference! Mercedes as a company is a big fart that should be erased from the face of the planet.

[gilboman]

What Lexus brand models have been sold in Japan???

From 1989-1990 to just recently Lexus was an export name to the NorthAmerican market. In Japan they are/were just regular Toyotas.

The Toyota Celsior is the NA Lexus LS $$$
The Toyota Aristo is the NA Lexus GS $$
The Toyota Alteza is the NA Lexus IS $

No Lexus in Japan, just like no Infinity nor Acura.

Granted Lexus is going on sale in Japan soon or already (2005-06), but they havent been sold as Lexus there in 15 years, since conception.

Maybe people will disagree with me, thats fine :) , but I dont view Acura or Lexus as prestige brands. Luxury yes, but not as much show as Mercedes, BMW, or Jaguar.

the point is...new lexus vehicles now are only sold as lexus..not toyota ;)

and lexus is on sale already in japan..so that means the comment about no lexus in japan is false

[gilboman]

LS GS and IS are just regular Toyotas, or at least you can buy them with Toyota badges. I dont know if the interior is redone for Lexus, but I doubt it.

YOU CAN NOT BUY THE NEW GS, IS, AND UPCOMMING LS IN LEXUS BADGE FORM EVEN IN JAPAN. ANY OTHER LEXUS COMMING UP WILL BE IN LEXUS FORM ONLY

[JohnB]

YOU CAN NOT BUY THE NEW GS, IS, AND UPCOMMING LS IN LEXUS BADGE FORM EVEN IN JAPAN. ANY OTHER LEXUS COMMING UP WILL BE IN LEXUS FORM ONLY

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[JohnB]

the point is...new lexus vehicles now are only sold as lexus..not toyota ;)

and lexus is on sale already in japan..so that means the comment about no lexus in japan is false

This is what you wrote - and what I replied to:
actually, there is lexus in japan..you may want to recheck your facts ;)

moreover, the new IS, new GS and upcomming LS have never been sold under the toyota name, its all exclusive to lexus ;)

Obviously Lexus needs original Non-Toyota cars to sell in Japan, it doesnt take a rocket scientist to see this.

No one in Japan would by a rebadged Toyota like we get in NA, hence they have to develop cars exclusive to Lexus in hopes to sell.

You didnt clearly write "As of 2005/2006 Lexus is in Japan." Saying "there is lexus in Japan" is kind of vauge, since its a NA brand thats been out of Japan since 1989 to mid 2005. Sorry for the confusion.

Would you recommend the GS to the original poster ?

Its a nice car, but too dated for me...I think Lexus has kept that car for too long, it came out in 1998 and was unchanged till 2005 - as I recall. Not a bad looking car, bit I think they are older than they are when I see one...

Mechanically for that price I think its okay if in top shape.

[JohnB]

Please at least take mercedes off your list of prestige brands, I'm gonna throw up. MERCEDES MAKES CRAP ON 4 WHEELS and yes regrettably I did own one from brand new, so I know what I am talking about like many others. I'd take Lexus over Mercedes any day (already have), the driving experience, the comfortness, the features, the RELIABILITY, the service, the performance. And NO, I dont consider sticking a 500hp supercharged engine into a POS makes it a sport car, that is not performance nor is it a sports car. The handling of a mercedes would be a good transition if you drive boats for a living, I bet you wont even be able to tell the difference! Mercedes as a company is a big fart that should be erased from the face of the planet.

Im glad you enjoy your Lexus. If it were my own money Id probably get an Acura/Lexus too, good values-better quality build, but Id feel I was holding back and not splurging on a racing-green XJ uber sedan which Id have to get rid of in 4 years. No 3 years. :)

But Id never "waste" that much money on a car right, $100,000 Cdn on a Jag. Not going to happen with me. (Unless I win the lotto.)

Thats how I think about Lexus, I dont see the prestige, only the fact they they are "cheaper" and a "better value" than the cars Id like to get.

[Narci]

Acura is not on par with Lexus.
Acura = HONDA. Only in NA they have sub-division to compete with Lexus, but in fact it is HONDA. Different story with Lexus, while it still owned by Toyota and they do share lots of different parts, Lexus interior is way more luxorius then Accura. I do like new TSX look, NA Honda Accord is soo ugly.......

they have Lexus and Acura in HK.

[P90Puma]

Buy a Lotus Elan from 90-92 from the south. Bringing it up here will cost like 20k, drop the 10k into some minor upgrades. They can be found with as little as 30k miles on odometer. Thats what i would do if i had 30k to drop into a car.

[romsan04]

From 1989-1990 to just recently Lexus was an export name to the NorthAmerican market.

Lexus is not only NA model they do sell it everywhere else in the world as Lexus (except Japan.

Different story with Honda. Acura sells ONLY in NA. Everywhere else it just HONDA.

new GS looks very nice.....

[romsan04]

they have Lexus and Acura in HK.

well if you import it from NA why not :)

http://www.acura.com.hk/main.html

oh well they do have them but only OLD 3.5RL and RSX.... don't see any other models.....

[Evil Techie]

so is $31500 ok for a fully loaded GS300?

[dablackgoku1234]

$31500 is pretty steep yo...

I'm seeing ~$32k 2002 GS430's on autotrader...but then again, I'm in Ontario

[ainsane]

Buy a Lotus Elan from 90-92 from the south. Bringing it up here will cost like 20k, drop the 10k into some minor upgrades. They can be found with as little as 30k miles on odometer. Thats what i would do if i had 30k to drop into a car.

LMAO what an insane suggestion! Hahahahah crazy.

[Evil Techie]

$31500 is pretty steep yo...

I'm seeing ~$32k 2002 GS430's on autotrader...but then again, I'm in Ontario

yeah but with only 24000km, its a good deal right?

i wouldnt get a british car even if it was half price...
unless its a brand new range rover

[P90Puma]

LMAO what an insane suggestion! Hahahahah crazy.


Why is it such a crazy sugestion? In a couple years i plan to own one of the 2k7 esprits as they are coming back in 2007. Super Car engineering for Sports Car price!

[Evil Techie]

Why is it such a crazy sugestion? In a couple years i plan to own one of the 2k7 esprits as they are coming back in 2007. Super Car engineering for Sports Car price!

cause 90-92 Elan is butt ugly? lol
also not the type of car im looking for
if i was looking for something like that, the title of my thread would include some coupe but unfortunately, my needs include a sedan

british cars arent known for reliability at all so im not even venturing into that area

thanx though, good suggestions but i dont like the look of it

the seller also wants to sell me his big alloy rims and new tires to pimp out the car
a set for $1500
if i dont buy that, he will put the stock rims and tires back on

[Evil Techie]

so guys, is a 2001 GS300 fully loaded imported from US with only 24000km a good deal for $31,500?

[pandaharo]

so guys, is a 2001 GS300 fully loaded imported from US with only 24000km a good deal for $31,500?

That's all inclusive right? If it's just the car I'd be looking for around 28000-30000 CDN. With the exchange rate so low you should be push it a little bit lower.

[Evil Techie]

That's all inclusive right? If it's just the car I'd be looking for around 28000-30000 CDN. With the exchange rate so low you should be push it a little bit lower.

no it doesnt include tax
but it is a personal sale so i dont know whats there to add

[Evil Techie]

anyone?
im going to see the car for myself this afternoon
how much should i offer?

[Evil Techie]

hey guys
i bought it!!

2001 GS300 is mine!!!
what an awesome car
basically the interior is like brand new
with factory navigation and stuff
and also has rear view camera and monitor built into auto dimming rear view mirror

such a pimped out car
im asking him to put stock rims and tires back on though, i dont like the 19"s he put on

[Anessa]

that's pretty cool. enjoy.

[lofidelity]

hey guys
i bought it!!

2001 GS300 is mine!!!
what an awesome car
basically the interior is like brand new
with factory navigation and stuff
and also has rear view camera and monitor built into auto dimming rear view mirror

such a pimped out car
im asking him to put stock rims and tires back on though, i dont like the 19"s he put on


I somehow knew that's what you were going to get, congratulations. Take some pictures and post them here when you get it.

[fast_typeR]

good stuff
post some pics

[Evil Techie]

thanx ill be getting it tomorrow, so pics will come soon

thanks to everyone that helped me decide
:D

[M-e-X-x]

chose the right car... lexus quality is tops... and much better in maintenance than a bimmer

[aZnRYcEbOi]

congrats!

out of curiosity, how much did it cost?

[Evil Techie]

the engine seems like its tuned for lots of torque too
car doesnt feel heavy at all with the 220hp and 220ft-lb of torque

best part of buying from the manager of downtown toyota is that i get all the connections and when i mention his name when servicing my car at recommended places, they will never shaft me

going to take some pics soon

[McLaren]

Thats a nice jump, going from a Escort to a Lexus, I bet you'll enjoy driving more now.

[Evil Techie]

haha yeah a world difference of driving experience

but seriously, my escort has enuf kicks too for its weight
still very maneuverable

if anyone is interested in knowing more about my escort, click on the link in my sig for some pics and details


heres my GS300
sry the pics didnt turn out well, its night time, ill have to find a better place and time to take some nice pics

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/1439/img00182cj.jpg

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/9636/img00196cp.jpg

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/4665/img00212un.jpg

[DJ_Peanuts22]

congrats on the new car, quite the christmas present lol



im asking him to put stock rims and tires back on though, i dont like the 19"s he put on

and ur dad bought you bling rims too?






dayum. lucky! :lol:

[fast_typeR]

good stuff
car looks to be in very good condition, especially the interior.

[Evil Techie]

those rims are stock

i dont want the bling rims
i prefer a quiet ride for this car

and yeah, the interior condition is like 10/10
except the carpeted floormat
i need to buy some nice rubber mats for this car

exterior is pretty clean too, only 1 dent and 1 tiny stone chip but all wont rust as they've been rust prooved

[manixc]

wow, nice car. nice upgrade from your old one :D

[Evil Techie]

http://img430.imageshack.us/img430/346/img00013small9ox.jpg

im loving the ride quality
fuel efficiency is at a loss though
but i think it'll be ok since i dont drive a lot and take bus to school

[sonyminidiscman]

don't know if its the camera angle or what... seems like the front wheel has A LOT of clearance ... too much

[Anessa]

Wish I had this car at your age.

[ji2o0k]

bump for you and congrats on the amazing car.

My uncle has this car and this car is luxurious !!! And plenty of power, smooth quiet, awesome choice !!!

[blizzah]

That car is very nice confrats. I really like the interiors of Lexus', well most people do :-0

[CSR]

con grats.. nice car.

[Evil Techie]

thanks, im amazed that this deal jumped out for me
it was thru some connections and the seller is the manager at downtown toyota in vancouver and is very trust worthy
so the deal was even sweeter as the car is super clean and everything is truthfully reliable
the seller (the manager) is really a nice guy too

if you ever need a toyota in vancouver, go see Eddie Tao in downtown toyota on burrard and he might be able to get you some deals

don't know if its the camera angle or what... seems like the front wheel has A LOT of clearance ... too much

its the camera angle, when i looked from the side, it was ok
its just that i was taking the shot from a very low angle, almost touching the ground
the car had 19"s on at one time but we didnt want those pimpy rims and tires for extra $1500
so he put the stock 16"s back on
i think this car could use some bigger rims though
but oh well

[sshe11]

you lucky bas***d !!!!

hehe ... awesome car man, enjoy it !!

[puff_daddy_58_99]

good thing the carfax came through clean! Enjoy your new ride!

[Evil Techie]

good thing the carfax came through clean! Enjoy your new ride!

hehe actually thats for the 98 escort im selling

just getting it ready if any one looking at my car is interested in getting hold of its report