Hot! Gas Snowthrower - Murray 21" - with electric start at SAMS club $488.00

[ag2000]

Hello, I was looking for inexpensive snowthrower and looked pretty much in every major store.
First I bought that electric snowshovel that was on sale for $99 (since it was such a great deal down from $230), but realized later after reading the forum that in my specific case I needed something bigger, and gas based. I also certainly wanted electric start , since it is not easy to start manually with recoil start in cold weather.
The cheapest I could find was CT for $799, and even that one was selling very quickly - stores are pretty much out of them by now.

Costco had something for $469 but with manual start.

Then I discovered in SAMS club Murray 21" single stage snowthrower for only $488. Also it was much lighter and smaller then CT one (ALthough CT version was 5.5hp dual-stage 4 cycle engine)

This one has 4.5 HP, 2 cycle engine (you need to mix oil and gas 1:50), electric (and manual as a backup choice) start.

This is exact picture of it :

http://a1773.g.akamai.net/v/1773/10142/12h/images.escalate.com/images/products/hd90120/000/011/000011263.jpg

They were selling them very quickly last night and location I purchased it in had only about 10 left on Saturday before the closing, they told me that other locations still have them too.


By the way I plan to return my electric snowshovel (never opened) now so as I mentioned in other thread (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2453782#post2453782) I was wonerding if anyone was interested in it so it will save me trip to CT return desk and fellow RFD'er can still get it for $99 + tax (Currently CT sells it for full price $230 +tax)
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Edit: I returned it to the store since nobody was interested at the time, sorry :(

[Carebear]

Murray 5HP 21 In. Single Stage Snow Thrower

The Murray 5 HP, 21 In., 2 Cycle Tecumseh engine Snow Thrower is a powerful single stage unit that is able to tackle small driveways and walkways in light ( 1-9 cm ) and medium ( 10 - 15 cm ) snowfalls. The unit's 2 cycle engine has recoil start and requires mixing the oil and gas. Clearing width is 21 In.. Additionally the Murray Snow Thrower comes with a 2 year warranty.

• 5 HP
• 21"
• Recoil Start
• 2 Year Warranty

The price is $479.00 online at www.HomeDepot.com (http://www.homedepot.com)

Save an additional 10% by using coupon code NOVPOST and get free shipping on orders over $75. So, your final pre-tax price is $431.10 and you don't have to leave home to get it.

[insanity]

I guess the main difference between the two is the Home Depot one has .5 more HP and doesn't have an electric start like the Sam's one. I know if you pay with your SAM's club card you get 3 months no payments (no fee either).

CT has one as well now for $479 (Yard Works I think).

So what's better have .5 more HP or an electric start ? Quick please let me know since I want to pick one up.

[mustanglover76]

I guess the main difference between the two is the Home Depot one has .5 more HP and doesn't have an electric start like the Sam's one. I know if you pay with your SAM's club card you get 3 months no payments (no fee either).

CT has one as well now for $479 (Yard Works I think).

So what's better have .5 more HP or an electric start ? Quick please let me know since I want to pick one up.


I think the extra power is more important. the electric starts sometimes goes on this things after a few winters so i'd rather have the juice.

[ag2000]

I think the extra power is more important. the electric starts sometimes goes on this things after a few winters so i'd rather have the juice.

Electric start is expensive feature as I found (that's why I considered this one a good deal). Again, this is only my personal view - not sure if 4.5 vs 5 HP would make world of the difference, but just imagine having to pull the string every time you want to start your unit?
Even with my lawnmover I find sometimes it is not easy, and in the cold weather I would think it is even more difficult.

Now - if you have any problems with electric start - you always have the option to pull the string manually anyway. ;)

[Gary]

I'd go with the e-start too. I have a bigger snow blower and don't use the e-start often, but when I do it's to save me from losing my right arm -- every now and then the blower can be quite stubborn.

-Gary

[crowne]

The single stage might sound like a great deal now, but down the road, you will be replacing the paddles always on these units, I would first call before buying, a service depot to see what the cost/s in placing paddles, just an example, some snow contractors are replacing paddle once a season. :eek: In the long run you'll be saving more with a two stage blower, my 2 cents :)

[ag2000]

The single stage might sound like a great deal now, but down the road, you will be replacing the paddles always on these units, I would first call before buying, a service depot to see what the cost/s in placing paddles, just an example, some snow contractors are replacing paddle once a season. :eek: In the long run you'll be saving more with a two stage blower, my 2 cents :)

I must agree that dual stage is better then single stage for many reasons, it is just more powerful, but one of he main issues with dual stage for me was the fact that it is too heavy and too big, and I hardly could find space to store it (even smallest one sold at CT).

In terms of replacement - I do not expect to do as much snow cleaning as snow contractors - I will only clean my own driveway, and contractors how many - 10? 12? 20?

Even if I have to replace paddles 10 times less often then contractors, I will be happy :)

[Spud72]

That thing does not look self propelled. If you try to move more than 2-3 inches of sticky snow from your driveway, you'll sure wish it was.

Seems like a good deal for what it is though.

[Ziggy007]

Murray is a pretty good brand. My lawn tractor is a Murray and runs well if you take care of it and do the required maintenance.

[ag2000]

That thing does not look self propelled. If you try to move more than 2-3 inches of sticky snow from your driveway, you'll sure wish it was.

Seems like a good deal for what it is though.

It is not self propelled, I just checked and confirm it.

[crowne]

It is not self propelled, I just checked and confirm it.

Because, how these single stage blowers work, is by tilting them forward/ handle bars up, so the paddles contact the ground, pulling the unit forward, having said this, they don't work to well on gravel drive ways, these machines work great for removing snow down to the pavement. But by no means do they preform like a 2 stage blower.

If you can put up with replacing the paddles down the road and the loudness, this is a great deal. :)

[Blackjack]

I have something similar (by MTD)4.5hp, 1 stage, 2-stroke engine. I bought it in '94. Still going strong---changed the spark plug a few times, maybe 3 belts and thats about it. Also, every year, after the winter I drain the old gas/oil mix out and add 1 teaspoon of oil to the spark plug hole.
This unit will do most of the snow-falls you will encounter over winter. I also bought it because of size---you can put the thing right into your trunk, well, maybe not a Honda.....

[ag2000]

I have something similar (by MTD)4.5hp, 1 stage, 2-stroke engine. I bought it in '94. Still going strong---changed the spark plug a few times, maybe 3 belts and thats about it. Also, every year, after the winter I drain the old gas/oil mix out and add 1 teaspoon of oil to the spark plug hole.
This unit will do most of the snow-falls you will encounter over winter. I also bought it because of size---you can put the thing right into your trunk, well, maybe not a Honda.....

Wow! 12 years without changing almost anything - that's impressive!

Where do you get those belts - are they expensive at all?

[insanity]

I have something similar (by MTD)4.5hp, 1 stage, 2-stroke engine. I bought it in '94. Still going strong---changed the spark plug a few times, maybe 3 belts and thats about it. Also, every year, after the winter I drain the old gas/oil mix out and add 1 teaspoon of oil to the spark plug hole.
This unit will do most of the snow-falls you will encounter over winter. I also bought it because of size---you can put the thing right into your trunk, well, maybe not a Honda.....

I'm gonna check out the one at the Pickering Sam's club. I went on Thursday and they said they were going to order in 16. I will phone tomorrow and find out. I'm bought on the electric start. Can someone explain how it works ? Do I plug it in when I'm ready to start the thing, or does it always need to be plugged in like a block heater on a car ? Also I have interlocking any issues with this. My bro-inlaw in Oakville has a similar type almost 10 years old, no major problems with it. Does the handle bend down for storage ?

[Menace]

I always use the e-start. So e-start is a must for mah.

[plymouthhater]

just imagine having to pull the string every time you want to start your unit?

My 19 Yr old Toro starts on the first half pull of the cord. I never use the electric start.


http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/8272/screenshot0238dy.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Blackjack]

Wow! 12 years without changing almost anything - that's impressive!
My machine is showing its age---paint falling off and the rubber on the auger is starting to fall off,,however its still ok for this season.
Where do you get those belts - are they expensive at all?[/QUOTE]

Yea, the belts for my machine, I got at Rona. I did find a dealer/repair place and I payed about 17 bucks each.

[cannon_fodder]

The price is $479.00 online at www.HomeDepot.ca (http://www.homedepot.ca)

Save an additional 10% by using coupon code NOVPOST and get free shipping on orders over $75. So, your final pre-tax price is $431.10 and you don't have to leave home to get it.

Can you use Home Depot GC's to pay for it, either by ordering it online and getting it shipped, or ordering it online and going to the store to pick it up?

[Britex]

Can you use Home Depot GC's to pay for it, either by ordering it online and getting it shipped, or ordering it online and going to the store to pick it up?

Just so you'd know, HomeDepot.ca does not allow ordering online and picking it up from the store. They MUST ship it to your house.

[ken_ll]

Two Stage first.
Get electric, easier on arm.

or

Use the $99 CT snowthrower.

[insanity]

Hello, I was looking for inexpensive snowthrower and looked pretty much in every major store.
First I bought that electric snowshovel that was on sale for $99 (since it was such a great deal down from $230), but realized later after reading the forum that in my specific case I needed something bigger, and gas based. I also certainly wanted electric start , since it is not easy to start manually with recoil start in cold weather.
The cheapest I could find was CT for $799, and even that one was selling very quickly - stores are pretty much out of them by now.

Costco had something for $469 but with manual start.

Then I discovered in SAMS club Murray 21" single stage snowthrower for only $488. Also it was much lighter and smaller then CT one (ALthough CT version was 5.5hp dual-stage 4 cycle engine)

This one has 4.5 HP, 2 cycle engine (you need to mix oil and gas 1:50), electric (and manual as a backup choice) start.

This is exact picture of it :

http://a1773.g.akamai.net/v/1773/10142/12h/images.escalate.com/images/products/hd90120/000/011/000011263.jpg

They were selling them very quickly last night and location I purchased it in had only about 10 left on Saturday before the closing, they told me that other locations still have them too.


By the way I plan to return my electric snowshovel (never opened) now so as I mentioned in other thread (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2453782#post2453782) I was wonerding if anyone was interested in it so it will save me trip to CT return desk and fellow RFD'er can still get it for $99 + tax (Currently CT sells it for full price $230 +tax)


Which Sam's club did u buy this from ?

[ag2000]

Which Sam's club did u buy this from ?

Hwy 7 and Yonge St. in GTA

[insanity]

I posted this earlier but didn't get a reply. How does the elec. start work ? Do you have to leave it plugged in all the time...or just when u want to start it up ?

BTW: Just phoned SAM's at Pickering - There are 8 left there.

[sunnybono]

electric starters shouldn't be an issue if you purchase a good machine. My 24" 6hp Honda starts on a dime. When I bought the machine, I asked the sales rep for an electric start. His reply to me was "Why, are you 60???" Plus with an electric start there is guaranteed to be more problems down the road!!! Have the Honda now for 9 years and the only expense has been 1 oil change and an inspection (cost was $45). I would be very carefull of the snow blowers that come from Costco, Sam's Club & CT.

[plymouthhater]

How does the elec. start work ? Do you have to leave it plugged in all the time...or just when u want to start it up ?

Electric start on a snowblower works as follows: (at least on my Toro this is how it works):
You plug a 110v extension cord into a plug connected to a small electric motor that has a worm gear that extends/engages and turns over the engine when 110v is applied. The 110v is applied when you push and hold down a button.

People tend to think of electric start as having a lead acid battery. Not so for a snowblower.

The electric start feature IMHO is a major waste of time (mind you I am not infirm or 70 yrs old).

In my case, my electric start feature has been used once or twice (just to see how it works) and I have never used it again. My Toro starts on the first pull!

When I last bought belts for my Toro I got talking to the mechanic in the shop at my local lawn and garden equipment dealer...the mechanic told me that when they break (for those that use them), the cost of the repair is so prohibitive, he usually tells people to forget about repairing them and use the pull cord.

[seabird]

I posted this earlier but didn't get a reply. How does the elec. start work ? Do you have to leave it plugged in all the time...or just when u want to start it up ?

BTW: Just phoned SAM's at Pickering - There are 8 left there.


Electric starts work by plugging an extension cord into the unit when you want it to start. Once started you remove the extension cord. SB do not have batteries mainly due to extra weight/cost etc.

The only concerns I have heard when buying from big box stores like HD etc, is the assembly and follow up service. If you can find the same product/price through a dealer I would recommend.

For this price point I think these units are good value, however I have had no personal experience with them as far as performance/build quality.

[yuprules]

Two Stage first.
Get electric, easier on arm.

or

Use the $99 CT snowthrower.

The $99 Canadian tire snowthrower SUCKS...a $10 shovel does a better job.

[ag2000]

The $99 Canadian tire snowthrower SUCKS...a $10 shovel does a better job.

I actually saw it working at my friends place durning first GTA snowfall.
Well, you can do better job with a shovel if you are willing to lift snow, and someone told me that every season when snow starts emergency depts are loaded with people (even young ones) with back problems when they started to shovel the snow.
Lifting part is hardest on your back. You cannot buy your health for any $$$.

SO, here is what I saw - with small snowfall (few inches of snow) we had in GTA last week, this snowthrower did OK job.

- My friend did not have to lift snow at all
- It throws snow approx 2 meters ahead of you
- My friend was especially happy with cleaning backyard and walkways for walking his dog.
- He coud hang it up easily on the wall, it did not take much space and it was very light.
- He was happy he does not have to worry about the gas

Negative points

- He did not have cord long enough til end of the driveway so he could not clean it
- Lever that regulates the direction of throwing the snow does not really do much, snow goes in front of the shovel and then you have to push it further
- At the points where snow was a little bit thicker he had to do several runs, while regulating the height of show pickup level.
- you still have to push although not as hard as regular shovel
- He thinks that with the snowstorm this unit will not perform very well
After all - he decided to keep it and I decided to return mine and buy signle stage .
-No information on how it will perform in long run (company called Spectra tools - new player on the market? Although on the picture it shows Murray...

Well, that's why a price difference is so significant even from single stage snowthrowers....As with anything else - different price points deliver different power

[mike881]

I'm looking for a large snowthrower (9 hp and up) and my budget is $1,000 - $1,200.

Any suggestions???

Thanks

[Bigmouth]

The only concerns I have heard when buying from big box stores like HD etc, is the assembly and follow up service. If you can find the same product/price through a dealer I would recommend.

Can't agree more. If there is any issue during warranty period the dealer will pick up and deliver your snow blower in no charge -- a nice benefit if you are not a big guy or don't have a truck.

In the dealerships the listed prices usually seem higher than the big-box stores but there is often quite some room for you to negotiate. Recently one of my friends just bought an Ariens two stages with e-start at a decent price from a dealer.

Just don't go there right before a blizzard: the prices will jump up quite a bit if there is still any in stock -- learned my lesson a few years ago.

[Audiogenic]

Can't agree more. If there is any issue during warranty period the dealer will pick up and deliver your snow blower in no charge -- a nice benefit if you are not a big guy or don't have a truck.

In the dealerships the listed prices usually seem higher than the big-box stores but there is often quite some room for you to negotiate. Recently one of my friends just bought an Ariens two stages with e-start at a decent price from a dealer.

Just don't go there right before a blizzard: the prices will jump up quite a bit if there is still any in stock -- learned my lesson a few years ago.

Agreed.

The post service benefit is tremendous through a dealer with this type of purchase.

[Stepmiller]

is that you may have some problems getting service, Murray is no longer.


http://www.jsonline.com/bym/news/nov04/279876.asp

Posted: Nov. 30, 2004
Briggs & Stratton Corp. said Tuesday it may buy some assets of Murray Inc., the lawn mower manufacturer that filed for bankruptcy and owes Briggs $40 million.

Briggs is trying to recover money for engines it sold to Murray last spring. The Brentwood, Tenn., manufacturer of riding mowers, as well as snow blowers and go-carts, sought Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in November.

Briggs may purchase Murray assets to help collect its money, although doing so would require Briggs to write off substantially all the remaining debt and take a $30 million loss against the current fiscal quarter.

"This is a very complex situation," said George Thompson III, Briggs vice president of communications. "These discussions are in a preliminary stage."

After the announcement, Briggs stock closed at $39.22, down 28 cents.

Briggs had about $1.95 billion in sales in fiscal 2004. Murray has been Briggs' third-largest customer, and in October Briggs increased its reserve for uncollectible receivables by $10 million in the event that some of the $40 million goes uncollected.

Murray has been put up for sale amid financial turmoil surrounding its Chinese parent company, Shenyang Hejin Holding Co. Murray recently laid off a third of its salaried work force in Tennessee in an effort to cut costs and become more attractive to potential buyers.

Through Murray's bankruptcy, Briggs might end up owning part of the company, said Kent Mortensen, an industry analyst with Thrivent Investment Management in Appleton.

Murray products are sold in large discount stores such as Wal-Mart and Home Depot. Briggs could benefit from acquiring some of Murray's assets, such as its distribution channels or manufacturing plants, according to Mortensen.

Briggs has a strong reputation as the world's largest small-engine manufacturer. But, unlike Murray, the company doesn't make lawn mowers.

"It might make sense for Briggs & Stratton to develop some sort of Briggs brand lawn tractor," Mortensen said.

[GTABuySell]

Electric starts work by plugging an extension cord into the unit when you want it to start. Once started you remove the extension cord. SB do not have batteries mainly due to extra weight/cost etc.

The only concerns I have heard when buying from big box stores like HD etc, is the assembly and follow up service. If you can find the same product/price through a dealer I would recommend.

For this price point I think these units are good value, however I have had no personal experience with them as far as performance/build quality.

I highly recommend the Home Hardware store on Woodbine just north of HWY 7. They insisted that they want to assemble my Toro Snow Commander for me. People there are very friendly. I don't know about other brands of snow blowers, but are authorized Toro dealer and they do repairs at this location.

Just for those who can't decide whether to get a single stage or a dual stage, here is my opinion:
- Dual stage snow blowers have two support rails which MAY scrape/damage your interlockings driveway, especially those interlocking bricks with protruded patterns (mine do).
- Since most single stage snow blowers are not as powerful as dual stages one, I decided to get the most powerful single stage I can find. According to Toro, the Snow Commander (7 or 7.5HP I forgot) is the most powerful single stage on the market. Also, the Snow Commander is sort of self-propel as I don't really have to push on it when going forward.

So far, I am very happy with the Toro brand (lawnmover and snow blower).

Vi.

[Bigmouth]

Besides Toro, Ariens and Simplicity are also good brand names for snow blower. Guess Honda is another good one.

[insanity]

Well the concerns regarding big box stores is valid, however with SAM's the return policy is awesome...usually no questions asked. I'm gonna give the blower a try (once I buy it) and if I don't like it I'm going ot return it, simple as that. Plus I will have the option of not paying for 3 months.

[F.C. Intermilan]

I bought a snow blower 5 years ago, BEST MONEY I EVER SPENT!!!!.

[ag2000]

is that you may have some problems getting service, Murray is no longer.


http://www.jsonline.com/bym/news/nov04/279876.asp

Posted: Nov. 30, 2004
Briggs & Stratton Corp. said Tuesday it may buy some assets of Murray Inc., the lawn mower manufacturer that filed for bankruptcy and owes Briggs $40 million.




Thanks for the info,

Actually there is more up to date information, from 2005:

http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/stories/2005/02/14/daily1.html

February 14, 2005
Briggs & Stratton completes purchase of Murray
Briggs & Stratton Corp. has completed its purchase of assets of Murray Inc., which will continue to manufacture lawn, garden and snow products for Briggs for up to 18 months.



Wauwatosa-based Briggs (NYSE: BGG) and Murray last month reached an agreement for Briggs to buy most of Murray for $125 million. The U.S. Bankruptcy Court of Middle Tennessee approved the deal and the contract Jan. 31.

The sale involves the Murray name, equipment, tooling, patents, trademarks and other assets, but not Murray's real estate. Briggs officials have indicated they will relocate some of Murray's assets to other manufacturing plants, moves that will result in job cuts when they happen.

Officials say Murray will continue production at its 1,200-employee Lawrenceburg, Tenn., plant for now. They also will keep "some corporate functions" at its 200-employee Brentwood, Tenn., headquarters during the next 18 months.

The deal, which closed Feb. 11, also includes Murray's 22-person Canada unit in Ontario. Those employees are being offered jobs at Briggs.

Earlier in the week, Murray sold its European division, Hayter Ltd., to Toro Co., Bloomington, Minn.
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Support number from www.murray.com now says "Briggs and Stratton" so I do not think it will go away anywhere... :)

[insanity]

Finally gave in and purchased the one from Sam's tonight. Came pretty much assembled. Plastic all around, but very light weight. These are 2004/09 made.

Couple of questions (the moron at Sam's didn't know anything):

1) I'm kinda concerned about the rubber on the auger's, doesn't that wear off after time, and it doesn't appear to be easily replaceable (ie. its not screwed on).

2) Mixing gas and oil (50:1). What the easiest way to do this and how much does the tank typically hold.

I was told I have a year to return it (which is nice) cause I'll use it a few time and if I don't like it I'll return it.

**SNOW BABY SNOW***

[seabird]

Finally gave in and purchased the one from Sam's tonight. Came pretty much assembled. Plastic all around, but very light weight. These are 2004/09 made.

Couple of questions (the moron at Sam's didn't know anything):

1) I'm kinda concerned about the rubber on the auger's, doesn't that wear off after time, and it doesn't appear to be easily replaceable (ie. its not screwed on).

2) Mixing gas and oil (50:1). What the easiest way to do this and how much does the tank typically hold.

I was told I have a year to return it (which is nice) cause I'll use it a few time and if I don't like it I'll return it.

**SNOW BABY SNOW***

congrats on the new toy.

most rubbers are replaceable and from what i hear will wear after time but should last you several years depending on frequency of use of course. try doing a google search and i'm sure you will find sometihng on the replacement parts/cost.

i use sthil 2 stroke oil which comes in quatities for a 2.5gal jerry can (i think). i just fill up the jerry can and add the oil and give it a bit of a shake. most 2 stroke oils come this way and will give you the quantity of gas for that particular quantity of oil.

that is definitely a plus for the big box stores ie. return policy, cant beat it.

please post a review of how your SB performs and enjoy.

[nameht]

im looking for a self propelled snowthrower in the range of $500-800 which one do you think would be the best?

[bobby_747]

im looking for a self propelled snowthrower in the range of $500-800 which one do you think would be the best?

I've just purchased the Ariens 722EC. The dealer recommended it over the Toro 2450. The Ariens costs $810 and the Toro is $799. For the extra $11 you get an electric start and an extra 2.5HP. The Toro 3650 which is similar to the Ariens 722EC is 6.5 HP and was around $1199.

I don't think that the Ariens or Toro is self propelled, but using the Ariens feels like its pulling me along.

Also see:

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=209346&page=1&pp=15&highlight=thrower

[ag2000]

im looking for a self propelled snowthrower in the range of $500-800 which one do you think would be the best?

FOr $799 the best deal is to get dual stage self propelled snowthrower with 4 cycle engine (You will not have to mix oil and Gas) and Electric start from CT

Yard Machines 5.5-hp Snowthrower (http://www.canadiantire.ca/assortments/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=84552444328 3008&FOLDER%3C%3EbrowsePath=2534374303517513&FOLDER%3C%3EbrowsePath=2534374303517514&FOLDER%3C%3EbrowsePath=1408474396669628&FOLDER%3C%3EbrowsePath=2534374303517825&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374303517825&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=1408474396670271&bmUID=1133288313851)

5.5-hp Tecumseh 4-cycle engine, two-stage operation
22" clearing width
Electric start
One forward speed
Folding handles allow for compact storage

http://images.canadiantire.ca/media/images/Assortments/PrimaryAssortments/GardenPatio/PowerEquipment/SnowRemoval/snowthrowers/0603722_450_CC_4c47b.jpg

Most CT's are sold out on those (it is most popular snowthrower they sell) but you still can order it online and get free shipping!


:) :)

[seabird]

im looking for a self propelled snowthrower in the range of $500-800 which one do you think would be the best?

In this price range, for a 2 stage self propelled unit, I would try to find an Ariens 5520 compact unit which retails for around $850. I believe its a 5 or 5.5 hp 4 cycle Snow King with elec start. Ariens 2 stage units get great reviews and i'm sure this one is no exception. Look soon though because once the first big snow hits, they will be sold out for sure, if not already. Check out the Ariens web site for specs.

Bobby 747,

Curious to know why the dealer recommended the Ariens over the Toro, was it strickly because of extra hp and elec start or did he feel the Ariens would give you superior performance vs the 2450 regardless of hp. Thanks.

[superdave]

I'm looking for a large snowthrower (9 hp and up) and my budget is $1,000 - $1,200.

Any suggestions???

Thanks

Depending on what size of clearing path you need, you can get good deals from the Sears Outlet centers (they are in a variety of places but in the GTA there are 2 in Brampton). I pickup up this thrower last year http://image.sears.ca/icat/52/46/713852469.fpx?cell=230&cvt=jpeg from the Sears outlet in Pickering (they've since consolidated to Brampton). It's an 11 HP 30" dual stage, B&S OVH engine with power steering, electric start and all the other bells and whistles. The reg price at Sears was $2200 I picked it up for $700 from the outlet. As Always YMMV and it is dependant on stock but if you are not in a rush, keep you eyes out at the outlets for the returns after snowfalls. People usually rush out to buy a snowblower and then return it after they realize it's too big for their driveway :D. BTW, all items sold through the Sears outlets have the Sears warranty's tied to them.

[ag2000]

Curious to know why the dealer recommended the Ariens over the Toro, was it strickly because of extra hp and elec start or did he feel the Ariens would give you superior performance vs the 2450 regardless of hp. Thanks.

I am very skeptical about dealer recommendations - small dealers often recommend units based on their markup on the units, and salespeople at large dealers often do not have good knowledge of the products (no offense to sales people reading this who actually know the products very well ;) ).

For any expensive purchase I would check consumer reports and similar sites with independent reviews for the comparisons.
SO far I found that both Ariens and Toro get good reviews. :)

[insanity]

Damn when is going to SNOW!!!! I bought that Murray blower and it hasn't snowed yet..... :mad:

[ag2000]

Damn when is going to SNOW!!!! I bought that Murray blower and it hasn't snowed yet..... :mad:

If we don't get snow for another week, I am taking it back to Sams club!!!! :cheesygri :cheesygri :cheesygri :cheesygri

[warpdryv]

I am very skeptical about dealer recommendations - small dealers often recommend units based on their markup on the units, and salespeople at large dealers often do not have good knowledge of the products (no offense to sales people reading this who actually know the products very well ;) ).

For any expensive purchase I would check consumer reports and similar sites with independent reviews for the comparisons.
SO far I found that both Ariens and Toro get good reviews. :)

No need to be skeptical about this recommendation. For equivalent models, the Ariens is cheaper. It's also built much better than the Toro. You can stand two people on the auger housing and it won't flex. Unfortunately the new Toros just aren't as well built as the old ones. I've had Toro/Honda dealers recommend Ariens to me, because they can't support the new Toros, and they know the Hondas are too expensive. If you're at all confused, call Complete Rent-Alls in Burlington - the old guy who owns the place spent about 15 minutes with me on the phone discussing all the options, etc. Their # is 905-632-9010. You won't regret going with Ariens.

[lakers_Rebirth]

I have something similar (by MTD)4.5hp, 1 stage, 2-stroke engine. I bought it in '94. Still going strong---changed the spark plug a few times, maybe 3 belts and thats about it. Also, every year, after the winter I drain the old gas/oil mix out and add 1 teaspoon of oil to the spark plug hole.
This unit will do most of the snow-falls you will encounter over winter. I also bought it because of size---you can put the thing right into your trunk, well, maybe not a Honda.....

I work at MTD (located in Kitchener), and they occasionally have the employee discount sales on Saturdays (once every couple months or so). The products they have are usually dead stock, of the discontinued models, but usually at prices at least 50% off retail - so I'm guessing ~$300. They were supposed to have one this weekend, but they cancelled it for some reason.

If anyone is interested, I can ask around when the next one is, and let you guys know. I was already planning to go to the next one, to get a friend 2-3 snowblowers, so if any of you guys are in the area, and are interested, just PM me.

Glad to know that MTD makes quality products.

[lakers_Rebirth]

FOr $799 the best deal is to get dual stage self propelled snowthrower with 4 cycle engine (You will not have to mix oil and Gas) and Electric start from CT

Yard Machines 5.5-hp Snowthrower (http://www.canadiantire.ca/assortments/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=84552444328 3008&FOLDER%3C%3EbrowsePath=2534374303517513&FOLDER%3C%3EbrowsePath=2534374303517514&FOLDER%3C%3EbrowsePath=1408474396669628&FOLDER%3C%3EbrowsePath=2534374303517825&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374303517825&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=1408474396670271&bmUID=1133288313851)

5.5-hp Tecumseh 4-cycle engine, two-stage operation
22" clearing width
Electric start
One forward speed
Folding handles allow for compact storage

http://images.canadiantire.ca/media/images/Assortments/PrimaryAssortments/GardenPatio/PowerEquipment/SnowRemoval/snowthrowers/0603722_450_CC_4c47b.jpg

Most CT's are sold out on those (it is most popular snowthrower they sell) but you still can order it online and get free shipping!


:) :)


I remember watching these go down the lines!

[ag2000]

I remember watching these go down the lines!
I think this brand is made by MTD as well, right? ARe they part of employee discount sale?

[petee_c]

I have a 4 yr old Honda 622 TracDrive 2 stage snowblower.

Great machine, dependable, reliable, did my own maintenance (oil change, stabilize, fogging etc). Still original Sparkplug, starts 1st pull.

More expensive than MTD brand... but tracdrive is cool.

It was great for my old house, as we had the standard 2 car driveway in the 'burbs of Stratford. It fit perfectly between the 2 cars in the garage. Now, I have a triple car drive, probably 35' x 50'. Little small for that....

I might be looking to upgrade.

I would expect that in the GTA, the Sam's Club deal would be perfect.

[seabird]

No need to be skeptical about this recommendation. For equivalent models, the Ariens is cheaper. It's also built much better than the Toro. You can stand two people on the auger housing and it won't flex. Unfortunately the new Toros just aren't as well built as the old ones. I've had Toro/Honda dealers recommend Ariens to me, because they can't support the new Toros, and they know the Hondas are too expensive. If you're at all confused, call Complete Rent-Alls in Burlington - the old guy who owns the place spent about 15 minutes with me on the phone discussing all the options, etc. Their # is 905-632-9010. You won't regret going with Ariens.

Thats good to hear more positive feedback on the Ariens. I have the 722ec as well and did quite a bit of research on it before buying. I talked to several dealers who gave mixed reviews on the Toro/Ariens, some saying to buy the Toro and others saying the Ariens is equally as good and better value for the money. I know the Toro is very poplular with contractors which is a good sign of quality and the Hondas are in a league of their own, but the price goes along with it. I would like to hear more testimony on the Ariens single stage machines....Toros you can find lots of info, but Ariens is more difficult for whatever reason.....come on, let it snow!

[lakers_Rebirth]

I think this brand is made by MTD as well, right? ARe they part of employee discount sale?

Yes, the snowblower shown above is manufactured by MTD.

As for the employee sale, there isn't going to be one for a while.

My co-worker said that for the ones that are 50% off, the warranty doesn't usually last for more than a year. So about 30% off for the 3-year warranty ones. She said that the selection varies quite a bit, and so that's why, the deal is so-so.

I'm still looking for a weed wacker, or maybe another lawnmower.. i'll let you guys know of any sale, if anything comes up.

[insanity]

Ok this is not fair....bought the snow blower last week and it still hasn't snowed! I haven't even poured the gas/oil in it yet. >:(

[lakers_Rebirth]

Yes, the snowblower shown above is manufactured by MTD.

As for the employee sale, there isn't going to be one for a while.

My co-worker said that for the ones that are 50% off, the warranty doesn't usually last for more than a year. So about 30% off for the 3-year warranty ones. She said that the selection varies quite a bit, and so that's why, the deal is so-so.

I'm still looking for a weed wacker, or maybe another lawnmower.. i'll let you guys know of any sale, if anything comes up.

Apparently, there will be an employee sale this weekend. I'll keep you guys updated as I get more information about the whereabouts and selection.

[ag2000]

As we had snow in GTA today, I tried Murray snowblower and it worked great!!! Cannot imagine what did I do before I had it!

Electric start is definitely great help, no need to prime, worked well and easy to use. As I use recoil start on my lawnmower, I can say it represents big difference.

Just plug in to 110 V outlet, push little button and that's it!

Question - under the snow I cannot see where lawn starts, so I get some grass when snowblower crosses the border.

Any suggestions?

Also am I supposed to direct snow to sides or better to to it towards the front?

ANy thoughts/ideas are appreciated!

[insanity]

Hehehe...I tried my Murray for the first time today. I didn't use the electric start, I tried the recoil. I don't know what I did wrong but it took me 20 tries to get it started. Well after that I turned it off a few times and it started in the first pull.

Worked great. I've go a driveway which holds 2 cars in the front b4 the sidewalk and after 4 cars below. It took 30 min. The onlly part I don't like is the snow blowing all over you because of the wind It was a lot of fun very easy, very good job. I even cleared the stuff off at the end of the driveway, the plough had just come by so it wasn't that packed (was wet though). I just blew most of it back on to the road .... are you allowed to do that ?

Looking forward to the next snowfall!

[yoshi838]

Hehehe...I tried my Murray for the first time today. I didn't use the electric start, I tried the recoil. I don't know what I did wrong but it took me 20 tries to get it started. Well after that I turned it off a few times and it started in the first pull.

Worked great. I've go a driveway which holds 2 cars in the front b4 the sidewalk and after 4 cars below. It took 30 min. The onlly part I don't like is the snow blowing all over you because of the wind It was a lot of fun very easy, very good job. I even cleared the stuff off at the end of the driveway, the plough had just come by so it wasn't that packed (was wet though). I just blew most of it back on to the road .... are you allowed to do that ?

Looking forward to the next snowfall!
You are not allowed to put the snow on to the street (or in your case, blow snow) The law states that what falls in your property stays in your property.

You should also be able to adjust the angle of the exhaust to avoid any snow thrown back to yourself.

[savemore]

Called CT. Was told MTD YardMachine 2 stage 5.5HP will be on sale on boxing day for $549. Currently, it is $799. Is it possible to buy it now and get it refund later? The person on the phone said "no" since it will be door crash event.....

[synaptech]

Called CT. Was told MTD YardMachine 2 stage 5.5HP will be on sale on boxing day for $549. Currently, it is $799. Is it possible to buy it now and get it refund later? The person on the phone said "no" since it will be door crash event.....

doorcrasher means you have to be one of the x in line to buy it. The only way you'll get the price is to buy one now and then stand in line. If you get it for $549 then return it using the 1st receipt.

[ag2000]

Big snowfall in GTA - Murray worked as a charm...Throws snow 3-4 Meters away easily, even during wet snowfall today - 4.5 HP more then enough!

That CT one that will be on sale is really big - if you have space to store it - I guess you will be OK. It is more powerful and self propelled (and much heavier!!!).

However, I think for most doublesided driveways with up to 3-4 cars in the length this Murray should do good job. :) :)