SMOKING HOT: Socket 939 Opterons

[alpha_tot]

@ NCIX
144 OEM: $148 http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=H66966
146 OEM: $166 http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=H66967&vpn=OSA146DAA5BN&manufacture=AMD%20ADVANCED%20MICRO%20DEVICES
165 (dual core) OEM: $362 http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=H66978&vpn=OSA165DAA6CD&manufacture=AMD%20ADVANCED%20MICRO%20DEVICES

[carlos5]

what is good about opterons?

[lhsonic]

what is good about opterons?

Opterons are amazing processors (from what I've heard on the web) becasue they have unlocked (they shoud... :| ) multipliers and can be overclocked easily to 2.7GHz from just 2.0 on stock air cooling. That's friggin AMAZING. The only difference in this cpu compared to other opterons is that this is just a low-end cpu when you don't overclock it. But 2.7Ghz!!! I think they have Athlon FX-54 cores, that's why... Hehhe, still owns the Intel crap. Just be careful, a fact i'm not sure of is if you need a Opteron-dedicated motherboard and if you do, you're probably gonna have to buy ECC (registered) ram which is a lot more, unless you look on ebay :)

[alpha_tot]

Opterons are amazing processors (from what I've heard on the web) becasue they have unlocked (they shoud... :| ) multipliers and can be overclocked easily to 2.7GHz from just 2.0 on stock air cooling. That's friggin AMAZING. The only difference in this cpu compared to other opterons is that this is just a low-end cpu when you don't overclock it. But 2.7Ghz!!! I think they have Athlon FX-54 cores, that's why... Hehhe, still owns the Intel crap. Just be careful, a fact i'm not sure of is if you need a Opteron-dedicated motherboard and if you do, you're probably gonna have to buy ECC (registered) ram which is a lot more, unless you look on ebay :)

These chips have locked multipliers. Theyre the 939 version, which means they dont need ECC ram or special boards...theyre pretty much the same chip as any san diego, but they oc better. Certain steppings are getting upwards of 3.2ghz (on water), and a lot of people are reporting 2.8ish on air. Others are topping out at about 2.5ghz, so i guess as usual, ymmv. (even @ 2.5ghz, you have to consider these things have 1mb l2 cache...so theyre still monsters)
On some extreme cooling: http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7600/424449uj.png (its really a 939, misidentified by CPUZ)

[supernerd]

I think they have Athlon FX-54 cores

You mean FX-5[1,3,5,7]? But regardless, I haven't seen the difference between an Opteron 1xx and an Athlon FX. And the only difference between the 1xx and [2,4,8]xx opterons is that the latter has more HyperTransport links to communicate in SMP systems...

[Chipbug]

Opterons are amazing processors (from what I've heard on the web) becasue they have unlocked (they shoud... :| ) multipliers and can be overclocked easily to 2.7GHz from just 2.0 on stock air cooling. That's friggin AMAZING. The only difference in this cpu compared to other opterons is that this is just a low-end cpu when you don't overclock it. But 2.7Ghz!!! I think they have Athlon FX-54 cores, that's why... Hehhe, still owns the Intel crap. Just be careful, a fact i'm not sure of is if you need a Opteron-dedicated motherboard and if you do, you're probably gonna have to buy ECC (registered) ram which is a lot more, unless you look on ebay :)
Most Opteron chips use Socket 940. So yes, you will need a Opeteron specific motherboard which is usually pretty expensive also.

[lhsonic]

oops, actually, you know what, i unno, it's a San Diego core though, thanks to the dude's response alpha_tot's response. See, you can get 2.8 on air, BLAZING FAST 3.2!!!!???? THAT'S FRIGGIN AMAZING, WAY, WAY FASTER than ANYTHING Intel has, what is that in Intel P4 talk, like hmmm, i unno, but FAST none the less. Maybe i'll pick one up, thanks for the clarification. BTW, please answer how fast this thing is in P4 talk and how long it'd would last before it died on you from overclocking because o/cing over 50% just can't be good :P JUST REMEMBER, some CPUs are just built better than others, you may only be able to pump out 2.4 from 2.0 or nothing at all if you get a "close-lemon".

[lhsonic]

Most Opteron chips use Socket 940. So yes, you will need a Opeteron specific motherboard which is usually pretty expensive also.

Eh> ... did you even see the product? :razz: it's S939. Oh ya, and definitely get the OEM and get your own cooling instead of stock. But then, with an OEM, do i get a fancy AMD case sticker? Oh ya, and how long should I run it in for before I start O/Cing the shiasfaists out of it?

[hamhead]

who cares how far it can overclock!!!

A celeron D can OC to 3.8ghz easy and it wont even beat a Pentium4 3ghz.

What i want to say is: HOW DOES AN OPTERON 144 COMPARE to an AMD64 3000+ , BOTH OVERCLOCKED to say, 2.6ghz??

I mean, if an OCed Opteron is slower than an AMD64 cpu, then wuts the point of OCing when it still sux. I also heard that the opteron may be slower then an AMD64 in gaming... anyone know??

[alpha_tot]

who cares how far it can overclock!!!

A celeron D can OC to 3.8ghz easy and it wont even beat a Pentium4 3ghz.

What i want to say is: HOW DOES AN OPTERON 144 COMPARE to an AMD64 3000+ , BOTH OVERCLOCKED to say, 2.6ghz??

I mean, if an OCed Opteron is slower than an AMD64 cpu, then wuts the point of OCing when it still sux. I also heard that the opteron may be slower then an AMD64 in gaming... anyone know??

Its the exact same thing as a san diego, clock-for-clock as far as I know. (1mb L2 cache vs the 512kb of a venice)

[lhsonic]

who cares how far it can overclock!!!

A celeron D can OC to 3.8ghz easy and it wont even beat a Pentium4 3ghz.

What i want to say is: HOW DOES AN OPTERON 144 COMPARE to an AMD64 3000+ , BOTH OVERCLOCKED to say, 2.6ghz??

I mean, if an OCed Opteron is slower than an AMD64 cpu, then wuts the point of OCing when it still sux. I also heard that the opteron may be slower then an AMD64 in gaming... anyone know??

Hehe, but the opteron if you get the CABNE revision can EASILY go 3.2 with little extra power. If you get CABGE OR CABYE, different story, you can go up to about 2.8 but you need much more powerful (which is quite risky), anyways, that plus the price difference is what makes this thing stand out. This thing could very well be comparable to a FX-55. Anyone know if these are CABNE's?

[firestorm996]

These chips have locked multipliers. Theyre the 939 version, which means they dont need ECC ram or special boards...theyre pretty much the same chip as any san diego, but they oc better. Certain steppings are getting upwards of 3.2ghz (on water), and a lot of people are reporting 2.8ish on air. Others are topping out at about 2.5ghz, so i guess as usual, ymmv. (even @ 2.5ghz, you have to consider these things have 1mb l2 cache...so theyre still monsters)
On some extreme cooling: http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7600/424449uj.png (its really a 939, misidentified by CPUZ)

So what you're saying is that these things perform better then an equally priced Venice 3200+ (about $189) on the same mobo? I'd like to read more about that - any unbiases comparisons out there you know of i.e. TomsHardware or something like that?

Cheers.

[alpha_tot]

Hehe, but the opteron if you get the CABNE revision can EASILY go 3.2 with little extra power. If you get CABGE OR CABYE, different story, you can go up to about 2.8 but you need much more powerful (which is quite risky), anyways, that plus the price difference is what makes this thing stand out. This thing could very well be comparable to a FX-55. Anyone know if these are CABNE's?

Most CABNES cant make 3.2 easily on air, on water a lot are making 3+ on stock or slightly more volts...CABGEs seem to take a lot more volts to do the same thing...the CABYEs seem pretty solid though... I would doubt these are CABNEs (I think that was just the first batch)...probably YEs or GEs...i hope theyre YEs though...

[Desalex]

That's just frikkin' awesome. Time to warm up the credit cards....

[oc613]

this is old news.

you aren't going to get a cabne through a retail chanel, let alone one in canada!

you guys are months too late.

[hamhead]

can u ppl plz stop talking about how this overclocks.

the important thing is HOW this Opteron CPU compares to a AMD64 CPU, IN GAMING.

ANYONE KNOW?

[lhsonic]

ON SALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! $169 for the cheapest one now.

[alpha_tot]

can u ppl plz stop talking about how this overclocks.

the important thing is HOW this Opteron CPU compares to a AMD64 CPU, IN GAMING.

ANYONE KNOW?

Its the same thing as a san diego, like i said...google it if you dont believe me.

[itsyours]

who cares how far it can overclock!!!

A celeron D can OC to 3.8ghz easy and it wont even beat a Pentium4 3ghz.

What i want to say is: HOW DOES AN OPTERON 144 COMPARE to an AMD64 3000+ , BOTH OVERCLOCKED to say, 2.6ghz??

I mean, if an OCed Opteron is slower than an AMD64 cpu, then wuts the point of OCing when it still sux. I also heard that the opteron may be slower then an AMD64 in gaming... anyone know??

can u ppl plz stop talking about how this overclocks.
the important thing is HOW this Opteron CPU compares to a AMD64 CPU, IN GAMING.
ANYONE KNOW?
This is the second time you yelled! Why don't you Google it and post back here.

[lhsonic]

Well, opterons are AMD 64s too you know, just a bit better. In terms of gaming, I swear it'd be the same as an FX-5- if you O/C it right.

Hey, a friend told me that I prbably can't get past 2.4 because I have crappy ram, is this true? I have 2 sticks or 256 with horrible timings lol, but I should still be able to run it fast right? 150.6MHz, 3:4 fsb/dram ratio, 2.5, 3, 3, 6

[kawaii gocchin]

All I will say is that the opteron is the best bang for the buck... if you get a good stepping it will kick venice'a ass and do FX-57 easy on air and low volts... so yes a similary clocked opteron should beat a venice partially cause of it's 1mb cache. and YES Socket 939 so no special mobo's required.

If my opinion at RFD means anything at all, these are the chips people should be buying especially at those prices. Locked multi... bah, amd mem controllers are more than capable of running dividers and comparing an opteron to a celeron is like comparing a porsche to a yugo.

[alpha_tot]

comparing an opteron to a celeron is like comparing a porsche to a yugo.
lol, couldnt have said it better myself...

and lhsonic, you shouldnt have much trouble with your ram because you can always just run a divider, but you might be limited by the HTT speed your motherboard can do. If you dont have a good overclocking board, I would reccomend the 146 for the 10x multiplier, so you dont have to raise your FSB too high...Im kinda wondering if I shoulda gone for the 146, because Im not sure how high I can push the HTT on this asus A8V.

[kawaii gocchin]

because Im not sure how high I can push the HTT on this asus A8V.

Probably not high at all unfortunately. :|

[Cisco KId]

are these still good overclockers though?

do you think its worth it to sell my venice 3200 (can get to 2.56ghz max) for one of these?

also, how is the memory controller? i have 4x512mb ocz platinum rev.2 pc3200 memory, will it have any problems running 4 sticks?

you are limiting yourself with 4 dimms, . I imagine you are now running 2T as well

[alpha_tot]

Probably not high at all unfortunately. :|
maybe not high enough for your crazy FX-57 running LN2 cooling needs, but ill just be using crappy air, so i think ill be limited by both anyways...Ill see how far I can push her though.

[lhsonic]

Oh? What's a good overclocking budget board to get then? I was looking at the A8Vs.

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=12639&vpn=A8V%20DELUXE&manufacture=ASUS

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=15320&vpn=A8V-UAYZ&manufacture=ASUS

[Jman]

An opteron with CABNE *is* an FX cpu. You won't get a CABNE.
An opteron with CABGE/CABYE is a san diego core but with more cache, so obviously as fast or faster at any given mhz.

[alpha_tot]

An opteron with CABNE *is* an FX cpu. You won't get a CABNE.
An opteron with CABGE/CABYE is a san diego core but with more cache, so obviously as fast or faster at any given mhz.

FX cpus are san diego cpus...which have the exact same amount of cache as these opterons...

and i am really not up to date on motherboards...if you want a good overclocker, get a dfi...as far as the budget overclocking segment goes, no idea... i picked up my a8v because i got a sweet deal...but i dont really know what the price of rice is.

[itsyours]

Back to rahzel's question: Is the memory controller the same as in Venice? Anyone has a definite answer?

[kawaii gocchin]

maybe not high enough for your crazy FX-57 running LN2 cooling needs, but ill just be using crappy air, so i think ill be limited by both anyways...Ill see how far I can push her though.

Just to let you know I only run that FX-57 maybe once every 2 weeks. Most of the time I'm on air or water with more "normal" cpu's like right now I'm testing 2 opterons, a 146 and a 148 as well as 2 venices, both 3000+'s one an E6.

That aside. I had an A8V a long time ago and it was a steady and stable board. Stable being the key word, but sadly it's overclocking abilities were lets say limited. I've had good luck with MSI and mostly DFI. My last 7 boards have been DFI NF4 boards and not a single one clocked BELOW 280, most easily into the 300's.

My advice to everyone always is, overclocking is the sum of all your parts. You'll only be as fast as your weakest part. It's like putting 13" rims and tires on a porsche and telling it to corner at 100mph. It can't. (what's with these porsche analogies?? ;) So if people buy a chip for it's overclocking abilities but then have a board or ram that doesn't OC well, it kinda defeats the purpose. But I can understand trying to get the best out of your equipment as well. You can always upgrade that slacker part later. :)

[Malfunction]

Mmm, perfect for a poor man's dual opteron workstation, though I can't find a dual 939 socket mobo :evil:

I can't tell if this one is 939 or 940 Asus Mobo (http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=9&l2=39&l3=174&model=456&modelmenu=1)

[itsyours]

Back to rahzel's question: Is the memory controller the same as in Venice? Anyone has a definite answer?
Anyone?

[randomdef]

Mmm, perfect for a poor man's dual opteron workstation, though I can't find a dual 939 socket mobo :evil:

I can't tell if this one is 939 or 940 Asus Mobo (http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=9&l2=39&l3=174&model=456&modelmenu=1)

how about dual core opterons?? christ.

[Malfunction]

Dual core opterons are just a tad more expensive :)

[alpha_tot]

Dual core opterons are just a tad more expensive :)
not so much...375 for the 165 DC here: http://www.frontierpc.com/ProductDetail.aspx?productID=201H66978 (dual 144s) vs 2x about $175 for dual 940 opterons, plus you gotta buy ECC ram and a dual socket 940 mobo...theres no such thing as a dual 939 mobo afaik

hmm....375 for dual 144s seems really cheap too...its essentially a 3800 x2, no? (less clockspeed but more cache) and it probably ocs nicely too...whats the cheapest you can pick up a 3800 x2 for?

edit: that seems really cheap the more I look around...definitely reccomended if youre looking into dual core.

[kawaii gocchin]

That 146 price is unbeliebably low. I just put in an order for 3. They go for 199 US at monarch and 269 CAD over at infonec.

[uddinf]

I need some of the expertise of you guys.
this is my current set up, running everything at stock speeds:

MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum (current Bios)
AMD64 3500+ CPU Venice
2GB Corsair XMS Twinx-4000 (4x512) 2T, 3-4-4-8

Would I gain a lot by upgrading the CPU to the opteron and doing some overclocking, given my current setup?

[alpha_tot]

That 146 price is unbeliebably low. I just put in an order for 3. They go for 199 US at monarch and 269 CAD over at infonec.

the 165 dual cores are 475US at monarch... :-0

[kawaii gocchin]

the 165 dual cores are 475US at monarch... :-0

That 146 has got to be a pricing error.. it is not that cheap anywhere... not even close.

[lhsonic]

eBay prices: http://search.ebay.ca/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht=1&shortcut=0&from=R41&query=opteron+146&category0=&Submit=Search

There's a CABNE for 400+! :D With time left... 23HOURS

[kawaii gocchin]

eBay prices: http://search.ebay.ca/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht=1&shortcut=0&from=R41&query=opteron+146&category0=&Submit=Search

There's a CABNE for 300+! :D

More like almost 400 Canadian!!! with still 23 hours to go. That's a 146 too.

[ibintegra]

There was a price cut (http://techreport.com/onearticle.x/8965) recently from AMD so it just looks like Frontier is reflecting those cuts while places like Monarch are not.

[alpha_tot]

That 146 has got to be a pricing error.. it is not that cheap anywhere... not even close.
But if you look at amds pricing, http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_609,00.html its a fair bit cheaper for an equivalent opteron than the athlon... so I think everybody else is just price gouging because of the limited quantities on the market right now...maybe? i cant think of any other explanation...these cant all be pricing errors...

edit: ibintegra beat me to it

[kawaii gocchin]

But if you look at amds pricing, http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_609,00.html its a fair bit cheaper for an equivalent opteron than the athlon... so I think everybody else is just price gouging because of the limited quantities on the market right now...maybe? i cant think of any other explanation...these cant all be pricing errors...

edit: ibintegra beat me to it

Yeah you're right... EVERYONE is price gouging then. Man....

[JayPatel]

Which ones the better one to order then? the 144 or the 146?

Based on what im reading at some forums, the 144 is the way to go

[alpha_tot]

Which ones the better one to order then? the 144 or the 146?

Based on what im reading at some forums, the 144 is the way to go

from what ive read, the 144s seem to be getting slightly higher, but i think they were mostly cabne stepping...if you have a good ocing mobo, id go for the 144 because theyre pretty damn close in oc potential. The only reason to go for the 146 is if you need the 10x multiplier.

[scottrempel]

Which ones the better one to order then? the 144 or the 146?

Based on what im reading at some forums, the 144 is the way to go

146 has the 10x multi though. I can't imagine the 144's would have any better OC potential...if anything, it should be worse. I haven't been reading the results though...just heard a few from here and there.

[itsyours]

but i suspect the Opteron cores handle memory the same as venice/sandiego cores.

No experts here can confirm this for sure? I want to know too before ordering!!!
This reminds me about the XP mobile days.

[itsyours]

One thing for sure is these Opterons run hotter than the Venices due to larger cache.

[lhsonic]

Can you even run Opteron-based CPUs in any socket 939 motherboard?

[sfu_lifer]

It seems that way.
I'm ordering the dual core 165's. Too tempting and they're cheaper than X23800's at double the cache.

[pestilenc]

Holy crap, that's a good price. I just picked up a 146. Google Opteron 146 briefly and you'll find a lot of positive reviews.

Here are a few (apologizes if I'm duplicating any links that have previously been posted).

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=28&threadid=1718250&enterthread=y
http://forums.overclockersclub.com/New_Opteron_146_And_148-t58933.html
http://forums.amd.com/lofiversion/index.php/t52606.html
http://discuss.futuremark.com/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=techmobocpu&Number=5651594&page=&view=&sb=&o=&fpart=1&vc=1
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=28&threadid=1711047&enterthread=y



Apparently there are a few different models, some o/c better than others but all seems to hit the 2.4ghz range pretty easily. Of course, even if you don't plan on o/c, its still a better deal than a regular AMD64 (due mainly to the extra cache).

Here's hoping its not a price error or anything. Thanks again RFD.

[itsyours]

not a price error:
retail box:
http://www.wiredzone.com/xq/asp/ic.30685799/qx/itemdesc.htm
http://www.wiredzone.com/xq/asp/ic.30685800/qx/itemdesc.htm
http://www.wiredzone.com/xq/asp/ic.30685806/qx/itemdesc.htm
http://www.tankguys.biz/opteron-cache-socket-p-1420.html
http://www.tankguys.biz/opteron-cache-socket-p-1419.html

[importpsycho]

I'll drop by tomorrow or sat and check out Opteron 146...
i'm doing 2.7 with 3000+ venice, if I can just get 2.7 outta this, I'd be very happy

[Malfunction]

It seems that way.
I'm ordering the dual core 165's. Too tempting and they're cheaper than X23800's at double the cache.


Where did you see the 165s so cheap??? Cheapest 165 I am seeing is $555 @ Infonec. While x2 3800 is $385...

[alpha_tot]

Where did you see the 165s so cheap??? Cheapest 165 I am seeing is $555 @ Infonec. While x2 3800 is $385...
i gave the linky in my post about the 165, and even edited it into my initial post... http://www.frontierpc.com/ProductDetail.aspx?productID=201H66978

[importpsycho]

Special Order (2-3 Weeks)

not in stock right now?

[bug]

Will these Opterons work with an Asus A8N-E NF4 Ultra motherboard?
They're all socket 939 right?

[kaddy69]

Do you think I have a better chance to hit 3ghz with a 144 or 146?

I have 2 144 on order from different vendors.

kaddy69

[nuclearsnake2]

939 opterons are supposed to be there in 2-3 weeks, prices look better than anything ive seen so far:
Dual core 165 (2x1.8ghz, 2x1mb l2) - $375 http://www.frontierpc.com/ProductDetail.aspx?productID=201H66978

If Im not mistaken, the Dual Core 165 is 366.30 at NCIX
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=H66978&vpn=OSA165DAA6CD&manufacture=AMD%20ADVANCED%20MICRO%20DEVICES

And the 144:
Boxed @ 175.84
Tray @ 149.16

The 146
Boxed @ 193.76
Tray @ 167.24

http://www.ncix.com/search/index.php?quicksearch=939+opteron&minprice=Min.+Price&maxprice=Max.+Price&imagefield.x=22&imagefield.y=6
All the part numbers look the same. NCIX says 1-2 weeks for shipping

[haveblue]

I'm broke, but I just gave a strong suggestion (http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=H66978&vpn=OSA165DAA6CD&manufacture=AMD%20ADVANCED%20MICRO%20DEVICES) to my parents for what might be nice for christmas :cheesygri

[scottrempel]

Will these Opterons work with an Asus A8N-E NF4 Ultra motherboard?
They're all socket 939 right?

Yes

[Jrawk]

My advice to everyone always is, overclocking is the sum of all your parts. You'll only be as fast as your weakest part. It's like putting 13" rims and tires on a porsche and telling it to corner at 100mph. It can't. (what's with these porsche analogies?? ;)


Uhhh, yes it can.

13" x 9"

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/wikdslo/13x9.jpg

[kawaii gocchin]

Uhhh, yes it can.

13" x 9"

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/wikdslo/13x9.jpg

COOl!!!! :cheesygri

[kawaii gocchin]

Oh and looks like prices went up.... a bit.

[alpha_tot]

Looks like the best prices for everything are at NCIX now...i coulda saved 5 bucks...meh. and the wait times only 1-2 weeks vs 2-3 weeks from frontierpc...but i dont necessarily trust those etas.

[itsyours]

Oh and looks like prices went up.... a bit.
Hah Hah! I hate that. Big mistake frontierpc!
$5 increase and you loose all the future orders.
Back to NCIX, people! Hopefully someone at NCIX sees this post and give us an even better deal. We can always cancel the pre-orders, can't we?
For wait time and quantity, NCIX always get things first and more because they are bigger.

[alpha_tot]

Hah Hah! I hate that. Big mistake frontierpc!
$5 increased and you loose all the future orders.
Back to NCIX, people! Hopefully someone at NCIX sees this post and give us an even better deal. We can always cancel the pre-orders, can't we?
I'm going to create a new thread with NCIX prices unless the OP adjusts the 1st post to include the cheaper prices from NCIX.

I already did...before you posted. Waaaayyy ahead of you :razz:

[rahzel]

are you guys talking about the 144? i see it as 210 at NCIX... isnt it still cheaper at frontier? or does NCIX sell an OEM version too?

edit: is THIS (http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=H66966&vpn=OSA144DAA5BN&manufacture=AMD%20ADVANCED%20MICRO%20DEVICES) the same thing?

[pestilenc]

Now to everyone that bought one of these, we need to be on the lookout for some good cpu cooler sales.

What do you want to bet that NCIX is going to have some on sale when these come in?

They had the XP-120 for $55 a couple of weeks ago; I think its about $65 right now.

I'm keeping my order with FrontierPC; its a whopping $2 cheaper at NCIX from what I paid and I've had a good experience with these guys in the past.

[itsyours]

Again, here is the NCIX links:
144 OEM: $149 http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=H66966
146 OEM: $167 http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=H66967&vpn=OSA146DAA5BN&manufacture=AMD%20ADVANCED%20MICRO%20DEVICES
165 (dual core) OEM: $366 http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=H66978&vpn=OSA165DAA6CD&manufacture=AMD%20ADVANCED%20MICRO%20DEVICES

[Pragmatic]

For anyone that's looking to buy... the NCIX forum admin posted a note about the availability of these...

http://forum.ncix.com/forums/index.php?mode=showthread&forum=101&threadid=958341&pagenumber=1&msgcount=6&subpage=1&product_id=16440

[JayPatel]

Hah Hah! I hate that. Big mistake frontierpc!
$5 increase and you loose all the future orders.
Back to NCIX, people! Hopefully someone at NCIX sees this post and give us an even better deal. We can always cancel the pre-orders, can't we?
For wait time and quantity, NCIX always get things first and more because they are bigger.

i cancelled my preorder with frontierpc. Ive ordered it via NCIX now and got the 146 instead

[alpha_tot]

i cancelled my preorder with frontierpc. Ive ordered it via NCIX now and got the 146 instead
I emailed frontierpc about a pricematch and havent heard back...either way, I still dont mind helping out the little(er) guy for a few bucks difference.

[JayPatel]

I emailed frontierpc about a pricematch and havent heard back...either way, I still dont mind helping out the little(er) guy for a few bucks difference.
i originally cancelled because i wanted to get the 146. i still would have went with frontier had they not of raised the prices....this is why i went with ncix.

[Prodigy45]

So you'd switch stores for a $2 savings? Wow...

[YorkU]

$193.91 for 146
with tax and shipping to Ontario... is it good or should I wait with my venice 3200 for a better deal?

[itsyours]

So you'd switch stores for a $2 savings? Wow...
You didn't read his post. He wanted to cancel the 144 CPU order to get the 146 CPU instead. IMO it's a good move. BUT greedy frontierpc decided to raise their price after we raided their online store last night. It's cheap and bad practice. They should raise price next sale only. That makes the 146 CPU $8.38 more expensive than NCIX. Would you do the same or would you re-order the 146 from frontierpc? Not to mention yet, he as a mod, morrally he should support NCIX, the main sponsor of this site if both have the same price. As a normal consumer he also likes to buy from his regular and friendly store with a good support policy. I have nothing against frontierpc but their practice is not as good as NCIX. For me, even if both have the same price if I feel that I rather trust NCIX with after sale support or waiting time, I would cancel and re-order too. OP of course, he morally should stick with his order :) since it was the reason he created this thread.
Next time if you want to flame, better read all the related posts carefully otherwise the flame will reverse back and burn you.

[Prodigy45]

There are a few flaws with your reasoning, but I need to confirm something tommorow before I post a reply to your statement.

In the meantime:

Ncix Price - $167.24
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=H66967&vpn=OSA146DAA5BN&manufacture=AMD%20ADVANCED%20MICRO%20DEVICES

FrontierPC Price - $169.46
http://frontierpc.com/ProductDetail.aspx?productID=201H66967

[itsyours]

There are a few flaws with your reasoning, but I need to confirm something tommorow before I post a reply to your statement.

Edit:

Ncix Price - $167.24
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=H66967&vpn=OSA146DAA5BN&manufacture=AMD%20ADVANCED%20MICRO%20DEVICES

FrontierPC Price - $169.46
http://frontierpc.com/ProductDetail.aspx?productID=201H66967
You are not up to today's events. Greedy frontierpc decided to raise prices on all the Opterons for an extra $5 each this morning since we ordered a lot last night. They didn't know and we didn't know that NCIX has these CPUs and with better prices. And then we found out NCIX prices. OP wanted to keep his order with frontierpc and PMed NCIX with them. That alerted them about NCIX lower regular prices. And of course the whole day today they didn't get any orders from readers here. You guess they have no choice but to reverse back their prices. Bad move, bad business decision.

[rahzel]

ive read a lot of results for the CABGE cores, and they are not looking very good at all. Most can only get to about 2.6-2.8. Id be happy with 2.8, but 2.6 would be disapointing since im replacing my venice 3200 that can get to 2.56ghz with this.

by the looks of it, theres a good chance that most of the cores by now are CABGE cores. I asked NCIX if they would check the steppings or im cancelling my order.

[YorkU]

ive read a lot of results for the CABGE cores, and they are not looking very good at all. Most can only get to about 2.6-2.8. Id be happy with 2.8, but 2.6 would be disapointing since im replacing my venice 3200 that can get to 2.56ghz with this.

by the looks of it, theres a good chance that most of the cores by now are CABGE cores. I asked NCIX if they would check the steppings or im cancelling my order.
asked them the same thing, will see what they say.

[duckdown]

Too bad these come at such low ghz out of the box..

[Mendes]

so we are looking at a month before we would start seeing these?

[YorkU]

so we are looking at a month before we would start seeing these?u could pre oder it now, but if it's CABGE - i would not bother...

[lhsonic]

No. they have been out in the states for a month or so now. And why do you think they're so cheap... low clock stock speeds :D

Hey, I'm looking to get a 3700 (clawhammer) which I read to have very good specs, very close to a FX-53 but I have no idea how it overclocks. This would be cheaper than getting an Opteron but hey, it's an Opteron BTW, how do I know when and if I need thermal paste with my hsf.

[Canadianpsycho]

Too bad these come at such low ghz out of the box..

That is kinda the point... Buy lower speed chips made with the same fab as higher ones at a fraction of the cost - then OC the snot out of it.

Buying highend chips is a waste, unless its a tax writeoff ;)

[duckdown]

so we are looking at a month before we would start seeing these?

I'm pretty sure you can't advertise in your signature

[duckdown]

That is kinda the point... Buy lower speed chips made with the same fab as higher ones at a fraction of the cost - then OC the snot out of it.

Buying highend chips is a waste, unless its a tax writeoff ;)

1.8 is ugly though.. 2.0 would be safe

[Canadianpsycho]

No. they have been out in the states for a month or so now. And why do you think they're so cheap... low clock stock speeds :D

Hey, I'm looking to get a 3700 (clawhammer) which I read to have very good specs, very close to a FX-53 but I have no idea how it overclocks. This would be cheaper than getting an Opteron but hey, it's an Opteron BTW, how do I know when and if I need thermal paste with my hsf.

No disrespect, but if you don't even know diddly about thermal paste, you should probably try to walk before you run.

Spend a little time reading up on the cores and their potentials...

[lhsonic]

No disrespect, but if you don't even know diddly about thermal paste, you should probably try to walk before you run.

Spend a little time reading up on the cores and their potentials...

Ya, actually, I have. The Opteron's potential is wayy up there if you get a good apple (CABNE revision, mostly 1st batches) now if you get a bad apple (CABGE), I'm kinda screwed over with an unecessary socket 939 that will cost me much more than getting my 3700 combo. I read this review with some pretty good benchmarks and if you ask me, the 754 clawhammer is on par with the FX-53 except for memory bandwidth because of socket 939's ability to process dual channel memory. It's because it's so old that I can't fidn a decent article on how it overclocks. Can I get it to 2.6 easily? I only ask about thermal paste becasue some say they don't need it because it's on already, but do I still want to apply it anyways? Or do most of them already include thermal paste with the HSF?

[Canadianpsycho]

Ya, actually, I have. The Opteron's potential is wayy up there if you get a good apple (CABNE revision, mostly 1st batches) now if you get a bad apple (CABGE), I'm kinda screwed over with an unecessary socket 939 that will cost me much more than getting my 3700 combo. I read this review with some pretty good benchmarks and if you ask me, the 754 clawhammer is on par with the FX-53 except for memory bandwidth because of socket 939's ability to process dual channel memory. I only ask about thermal paste becasue some say they don't need it because it's on already, but do I still want to apply it anyways?

Yes, you want thermal paste. Go with the OCZ as its cheaper then Arctic Silver and is apparently the same stuff.

As far as CPUs are concerned, forget 754 and Clawhammers. Yes, the Clawhammers with the larger cache and OCability were decent chips, but there's newer FX cores and Venice/San Diego are better options. Not to mention 754 is a dead upgrade path.

If I had to guess, you're going to get a cabbage. This is exactly when the 0448 SPAW 3000+ came out. a handful of folks got them, reached near 3 GHz and everyone scrambled to get 3000+ They ended up with 2.5-2.6 and that's about it.

Plan on 2.5-2.6, don't expect 2.8 to 3.0, especially on air.

I want to make something abundantly clear to all of you hoping for the miracle chip. While the XS folks do show amazing OCs, you have to realize they are not typical results. They:

a) Take suicide screenshots
b) Consider a 30 second SuperPi test to be "stable"
c) Spend more on cooling then you'll ever spend. Period.
d) Frenquently bench their systems outside their cases

Yeah, the results are amazing... And yes, there are miracle chips. But they don't hang around, and those guys are fanatics. And they don't game, rip, encode, chat 24/7 on these 3 GHz monster chipped systems.

[alpha_tot]

Ya, actually, I have. The Opteron's potential is wayy up there if you get a good apple (CABNE revision, mostly 1st batches) now if you get a bad apple (CABGE), I'm kinda screwed over with an unecessary socket 939 that will cost me much more than getting my 3700 combo. I read this review with some pretty good benchmarks and if you ask me, the 754 clawhammer is on par with the FX-53 except for memory bandwidth because of socket 939's ability to process dual channel memory. It's because it's so old that I can't fidn a decent article on how it overclocks. Can I get it to 2.6 easily? I only ask about thermal paste becasue some say they don't need it because it's on already, but do I still want to apply it anyways?

Im running a clawhammer 3200+ (754) right now...theyre great processors, but dont expect to get much of an oc out of them. With my stock heatsink im running @ 53* full load - not much overclocking headroom...but i do have one of the worst steppings i believe. If you bought a better heatsink and some AS5 you might get a bit of an oc, but the opteron would rape it up the ass with the same cooling and a good mobo (depending on the stepping). BTW, where can you pick up a 3700+ for cheaper than the opteron?

[itsyours]

I'm questioning that too?
Where can he get a MB + 3700+ Combo for $210? Be careful with deals too good to be true! May be it's a DOA combo .

[Canadianpsycho]

If I wasn't positive I'd get a cabbage and its not going to clock past 2.6 I'd pick one up... I'm happy with my Venice at 2.8. I've decided I'm actually going to try to have a little cash for Boxing Day Sales this year :D

BTW, someone was asking about HTT? I'm at 311 on my DFI SLI-DR.

[kawaii gocchin]

a) Take suicide screenshots
b) Consider a 30 second SuperPi test to be "stable"
c) Spend more on cooling then you'll ever spend. Period.
d) Frenquently bench their systems outside their cases

Yeah, the results are amazing... And yes, there are miracle chips. But they don't hang around, and those guys are fanatics. And they don't game, rip, encode, chat 24/7 on these 3 GHz monster chipped systems.

a) Yes I do. Have a 3875mhz one with an FX-57 and a 3400mhz one with a 3200+.
b) No I don't. I always run multiple 32m over an 8 hour period with max agressive tweaks.
c) Maybe, does $2000 in the last year on cooling count as more? ;)
d) I only bench my system outside a case.

I don't game, rip, encode, or chat 24/7 on any of my bench rigs. So looks like you're right :).

Sadly I'm sure we Canadians will get the leftovers of all the good steppings... don't we always? It kills me to see my American team mates with all the best stuff way ahead of me... I usually get their hand me downs..... they have way more miracle chips than me. It's total luck really, probably 70% of the chips I test are only average or worse, 20 % above average and 10% exceptional. Regardless of this I never learn my lesson and continue to pick up as many cpu's as possible.

[scottrempel]

And I love you for it :lol:

[Canadianpsycho]

a) Yes I do. Have a 3875mhz one with an FX-57 and a 3400mhz one with a 3200+.
b) No I don't. I always run multiple 32m over an 8 hour period with max agressive tweaks.
c) Maybe, does $2000 in the last year on cooling count as more? ;)
d) I only bench my system outside a case.

I don't game, rip, encode, or chat 24/7 on any of my bench rigs. So looks like you're right :).

Sadly I'm sure we Canadians will get the leftovers of all the good steppings... don't we always? It kills me to see my American team mates with all the best stuff way ahead of me... I usually get their hand me downs..... they have way more miracle chips than me. It's total luck really, probably 70% of the chips I test are only average or worse, 20 % above average and 10% exceptional. Regardless of this I never learn my lesson and continue to pick up as many cpu's as possible.


No sympathy for you, you have wayyy too many toys as it is :)

If its any consolation, my Venice (which isn't an amazing chip anyways) is my best OCing chip since my P3 550e Slot 1 Coppermine I had running over 800 MHz.

I always get bum chips. I'm making my 2.8 into a necklace I think.

[kawaii gocchin]

No sympathy for you, you have wayyy too many toys as it is :)

If its any consolation, my Venice (which isn't an amazing chip anyways) is my best OCing chip since my P3 550e Slot 1 Coppermine I had running over 800 MHz.

I always get bum chips. I'm making my 2.8 into a necklace I think.

2.8 with a 3000+ using an XP-120 is great. What voltage are you using? You must have the setup running well as 2.8 is tough with that 9 multi. Good mem controller and mobo with the right bios obviously. :)

I may have lots of toys but I get my fair share of bum chips.. Like the last few venices I got, especially the E6... garbage overclocker or I just haven't figured out their sweet spots yet.

[Canadianpsycho]

1.5Vcore idle.

I'm definitely in the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" camp for a few months this time :D

Although I do love chasing the chips sometimes. it actually doesn't cost too much as you can usually resell the so-so chips.

[lhsonic]

I will tell you all tomorrow as I'm afraid my "source" will sell out :( I'll just tell you it's a dealer with a good rep, i've ordered from them before. If anyone else finds the deal, please don't disclose it until tomorrow :D Thanks. This isn't like the Opteron, this is basically the last of the last, that's probably why it's so cheap. 299 - 90MIR from Asus and AMD.

[Brandon]

2.8 with a 3000+ using an XP-120 is great. What voltage are you using? You must have the setup running well as 2.8 is tough with that 9 multi. Good mem controller and mobo with the right bios obviously. :)

I may have lots of toys but I get my fair share of bum chips.. Like the last few venices I got, especially the E6... garbage overclocker or I just haven't figured out their sweet spots yet.

My 3000+ E6 is garbage for OC too. It can get into Windows at 3.1GHz but stable only at 2.85GHz. Altho then again I haven't had an Athlon 64 since the original s754 ones that came out, maybe I'm doing something wrong or not in the best way. Using a DFI SLI-DR.

The Opterons are tempting, but I JUST got this stuff...haha

[duckdown]

My 3000+ E6 is garbage for OC too. It can get into Windows at 3.1GHz but stable only at 2.85GHz. Altho then again I haven't had an Athlon 64 since the original s754 ones that came out, maybe I'm doing something wrong or not in the best way. Using a DFI SLI-DR.

You're complaining about 2.85GHZ? Stop being a wuss.

[Brandon]

You're complaining about 2.85GHZ? Stop being a wuss.

Using a Vapochill LS I think it's a pretty crappy result.

[kawaii gocchin]

My 3000+ E6 is garbage for OC too. It can get into Windows at 3.1GHz but stable only at 2.85GHz. Altho then again I haven't had an Athlon 64 since the original s754 ones that came out, maybe I'm doing something wrong or not in the best way. Using a DFI SLI-DR.

The Opterons are tempting, but I JUST got this stuff...haha

You're probably not doing anything wrong... it just seems so far that most E6's hit the wall pretty quickly. You should be stable over 3ghz easy with the vapo ls and a good venice. I had a couple of week 17's 3200+'s at 3.4ghz on the vapo fully stable at 3.25ghz (benchable, pi, pifast, superpi, 3dmark etc).

[alpha_tot]

I will tell you all tomorrow as I'm afraid my "source" will sell out :( I'll just tell you it's a dealer with a good rep, i've ordered from them before. If anyone else finds the deal, please don't disclose it until tomorrow :D Thanks. This isn't like the Opteron, this is basically the last of the last, that's probably why it's so cheap. 299 - 90MIR from Asus and AMD.

i thought they jacked the price back up on that combo...but now its back down (even lower than before?) I dont think you can go wrong either way...the opty will be quite a bit better when oced, but if you dont wanna chance the oc, then go with the 3700...but no dual channel or pci-e...and you have to deal with their mail in rebates.

and...after shipping and taxes that deal costs me about 340, so 250 when (if) your rebate comes...which is less than im payin for the 144 and a (used) a8v deluxe. :razz: im sure you'll be happy either way.

[lhsonic]

well, Asus and AMD should give me back my money. I saw the major outages for having no dual cahnnel in the benchmarks but I think I can live with that and AGP as I can't afford a half-decent PCI-E card because then it'll cost more in the long run upgrading to a much better card.

[Brandon]

You're probably not doing anything wrong... it just seems so far that most E6's hit the wall pretty quickly. You should be stable over 3ghz easy with the vapo ls and a good venice. I had a couple of week 17's 3200+'s at 3.4ghz on the vapo fully stable at 3.25ghz (benchable, pi, pifast, superpi, 3dmark etc).

I basically had a choice between 20 or so CPU's between week 37 and 39, all LBBWE's. Oh well, probably just gonna skip ahead to dual core. The A64 system (the E6) doesn't feel as responsive as my P4. The dual core Opteron is definately an option though...gah, decisions decisions.

[alpha_tot]

well, Asus and AMD should give me back my money. I saw the major outages for having no dual cahnnel in the benchmarks but I think I can live with that and AGP as I can't afford a half-decent PCI-E card because then it'll cost more in the long run upgrading to a much better card.

those mirs arent from asus and amd...theyre from that site...and they dont have such a good reputation with warranties. Ive had no bad experiences with them...just going by what others have said.

[lhsonic]

Oh... its rebates are with "OR" oh, I'll have no troubles, I didn't last time.

[alpha_tot]

another thing, theres no rebate on that 3700 unless you buy a heatsink from that site, and they are pretty much all overpriced. i got a sempron 2800 combo from them a while back, and it died within a month...they werent gonna give me a new chip because i sent off the upc code for a mir, and didnt buy a heatsink to get the warranty. long story short, after a bunch of emails i convinced them to give me a new proc because there website had some false information on it regarding the warranty...then when i called the rma center, i had to argue with them for half an hour...and then i only got my return accepted on the condition that i had to buy an outrageously priced heatsink.

not saying youre gonna have any troubles with the chip...i blame my cheap bundled mobo for my sempron failing...but just thought you might wanna know

[itsyours]

LOL! With multiple rebates and MIR reputation...
And you thought we don't know which store it is? :cheesygri
Woods_the golfer.

[Snocow]

LOL! With multiple rebates and MIR reputation...
And you thought we don't know which store it is? :cheesygri
Woods_the golfer.

Yeah...I hear ya.....it just couldn't be this one

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1178956&CatId=14

[importpsycho]

ordered one form NCIX... figer crossed for CABYE :lol:

[YorkU]

anyone else in Ontario ordered this stuff from ncix? or im the only one :lol:

[coomar]

i ordered from tankguys, paid 200 CAN after shipping for a retail 144, its a CAB2E core which is the newest stepping

they're in a detroit and i'm in windsor, they mailed it yesterday so i should have it midweek

seems like they're a few dogs getting 2.5 ghz but most are getting 2.8-3.0 ghz on air

according to dfi-street the stepping is middle of the pack

[coomar]

superpi 32M isn't much of a final stability test

my venice will pass 32M ad nauseum about 0.03-0.04 volts below the prime95/ gaming/ encoding stable voltage

i'm still shooting for 2.8 on this CAB2E and xp-120 (though i might have to bust out the panafolo)

socket 754's don't compare to the venices/ opterons in overclocking, the at least 200+ mhz increase is enough to compensate for the smaller cache though a select few 754's are monster overclockers

the only problem with the 144 is the 9x multiplier, 2.8 is 311, 3.0 ghz will be 333, very few boards can do that though it would amuse me to finally run my HTT at 2ghz (it makes no difference)

[haveblue]

Everyone's been talking about the 144 and 146's and OCing them.. would the 165 OC just be 2 x 144? would it oc to around the same? I'm hoping to get 2 x 2.6ghz on it.. Would the 165 be CABGE (that's the bad one right?), and even if it were, it'd still be able to reach 2.6.. or at the VERY least, 2.4ghz.. I'm at 2.4 now, and I'd hate to end up downgrading..

[guest3721]

"i ordered from tankguys, paid 200 CAN after shipping for a retail 144, its a CAB2E core which is the newest stepping"

Thanks, may have to look into this. I'm willing to pay a bit more with the assurance of it being a slightly better core.

Man, I wasn't going to upgrade anytime soon but you nerds convinced me of this value, comparing the speeds to the FX-series and such :)

[guest3721]

Question for the OC'ers.

I've got 4 sticks of 512MB PC2700 DDR Ram from my existing computer. Do you think using these will affect the overclocking ability at all? I really don't want to purchase 2 gigs of newer ram.

[alpha_tot]

You almost made me crap my pants...didnt realize tankguys had prices in USD...i knew that a 165 retail box for $306 was too good to be true.

still really nice prices if you dont get dinged by customs.

[haveblue]

Hehe.. I found a local place that has the retail boxed ones for $380.. a little bit more, but it does include the heatsink, and no shipping cost.. I let my parents know.. I'm psyched for this puppy.. I hope it works out though, I'd had to be dragging my system down with a cpu downgrade..

[coomar]

ship through usps, you shouldn't get customs

the opteron 165 is a great deal but they seem to run hotter than x2's for some reason, you will need serious cooling for it (xp-90 or better)

cabge should get around 2.5-2.6 and its the worst stepping

you can still get a great chip out of a bad stepping or vice versa, its just a matter of probability

[haveblue]

ship through usps, you shouldn't get customs

the opteron 165 is a great deal but they seem to run hotter than x2's for some reason, you will need serious cooling for it (xp-90 or better)

cabge should get around 2.5-2.6 and its the worst stepping

you can still get a great chip out of a bad stepping or vice versa, its just a matter of probability

I was thinking a Thermaltake Big Typhoon with it, think that'd be okay?

[coomar]

reviews have it slightly ahead of the xp-120 which is a bit better than a xp-90 so its a great choice

[input]

So what do you all prefer the most? the Opeteron 146 or the 165?

Is the dual core any good for it?

[YorkU]

I would go with 146... 200$ vs almost 400 makes a difference, at least to me... Besides that, no use for dual core by now...

[recordman]

dual core adds no benefit for games, but for multitasking it's great.

[kaddy69]

Ordered a 146. I'm hoping I can hit 3 ghz on air.

[itsyours]

Hehe.. I found a local place that has the retail boxed ones for $380.. a little bit more, but it does include the heatsink, and no shipping cost.. I let my parents know.. I'm psyched for this puppy.. I hope it works out though, I'd had to be dragging my system down with a cpu downgrade..
165 box for $380. Good price. Where is that? And will they ship? PST saving's enough to cover shipping.

[YorkU]

165 box for $380. Good price. Where is that? And will they ship? PST saving's enough to cover shipping.I think it's warm just because of the exchange rate (+1.5% charge by Visa) + possible customs.

[rahzel]

ship through usps, you shouldn't get customs

the opteron 165 is a great deal but they seem to run hotter than x2's for some reason, you will need serious cooling for it (xp-90 or better)

cabge should get around 2.5-2.6 and its the worst stepping

you can still get a great chip out of a bad stepping or vice versa, its just a matter of probability
most cabge results ive seen were around 2.6-2.8. i did see some people below 2.6, but the people who had it below 2.6 had their vcore at only like 1.5. you can go as high as 1.6 (or a little more) with good air cooling.

to the person who said dual cores adds no benefit for gaming, it does. Nvidia (not sure about ATI) included dual core processor optimizations in their last few drivers giving owners of dual core processors a noticable gain in performance. Early reviews suggested that dual core processors didnt perform any better than single core in gaming, but things have changed.

[haveblue]

165 box for $380. Good price. Where is that? And will they ship? PST saving's enough to cover shipping.

That's from a local pc store in my area (Halifax, NS)..

Edit: Oh sweet jesus.. maybe this isn't such a good idea.. my board won't even make it through superpi (1m) at 7 x 220mhz.. so, either my cpu doesn't like running 800mhz slower than stock, or my board completely fails at increasing HTT.. in which case, I'm screwed with this opteron.. Either that, or my ram sucks, which is entirely possible.. I should try with a divider rather than 1:1..

[coomar]

run with a divider, latency is better than memory clock speeds

[wookie]

are there dual socket 939 boards available? that would except either 2 single core s939 opterons or 2 dual core s939 opterons?

[coomar]

i don't know if there are dual socket 939 boards though i would guess that there aren't (dual socket should be socket 940)

the 165 is 2x1.8 ghz

[biggunstwo]

wow, its like overclocking a celeron.............

who cares

[scottrempel]

wow, its like overclocking a celeron.............

who cares

:confused:

[borgschulze]

wow, its like overclocking a celeron.............

who cares

Opteron's are FAR superior to a Celeron, and are even better than the Athlon 64 chips.

Why are you making negative comments in the Hot Deals section, go away.

[holyheaven]

wow, its like overclocking a celeron.............

who cares

actually if u can't feel the performance differecen btw opteron and celleron, man you can save a lot of money cuz u don't need upgrade..

[maff]

Anyone know any stores in the Toronto area that have any Opteron 144 90MM in stock?

[coomar]

you seem to have switched the information

athlon64's come in 512k and 1024k l2 cache variations

opterons come with 1024k l2 cache

opterons tend to overclock better than standard socket 939 athlon64s which are already great overclockers

it will be a while until a toronto store has opterons, what canadian retailer has it period?

[alpha_tot]

wow, its like overclocking a celeron.............

who cares

pull your head out of your ass and do a little bit of reading before making yourself look like a total idiot.

[coomar]

besides, performance differences between 512k and 1024k l2 caches on amd architechture is pretty small, on intel architecture (ie the difference between p4's and celerons) its pretty damn huge

its why semprons are great value (unless you get the 128k l2 variant)

[guest3721]

Now what motherboard would you guys recommend with the opterons? Asus, MSI, DFI?

I'm reading that although the DFI mbs do not officially support the opterons, they work very well with them.

I'm going to need to order both the chip and mb, If I can oc it to 2.8gz, I'll be happy.

[guest3721]

Tankguys has the Dfi LanParty nF4 Ultra-D on sale for $120. U.S., NXIX has it for $154.70 Cdn. This board is not SLI but I don't need it, apparently it works well with the opterons.

I'm thinking of just ordering both the mb and chip from Tankguys. I'm going to call them about shipping etc. on Monday.

[Jamis1979]

I read something a while back saying the Asrock Dual 939 is a good overclocker but I'm not sure if it would work well with the opterons. One thing that is nice is the PCI-e and AGP connections so I wouldn't have to get rid of my ATI X800XL or upgrade it.

[coomar]

none of the boards can officially support the opteron

the dfi is confirmed to run well with it

most of the massive overclocks are on the dfi nf4 boards\

and i got my cpu from tankguys, great sellers

[Pawtucket]

I too would like to know how these run on the ASROCK ULI chipset. If so, justifying a $160 + $90 upgrade is doable!

[coomar]

the ULI chipset can support up to 400HTT apparently, as long as there isn't a bios issue (like it looks like on the MSI neo), it should be fine

[coomar]

the opteron works well with the ULI chipset, should be fine

[YorkU]

what about a8n-e (nf4 ultra) ?

[coomar]

supposedly the new asus can get to 310 htt but the dfi is still better, almost all do 320 and far more memory options

[duckdown]

I read something a while back saying the Asrock Dual 939 is a good overclocker but I'm not sure if it would work well with the opterons. One thing that is nice is the PCI-e and AGP connections so I wouldn't have to get rid of my ATI X800XL or upgrade it.

One board has BOTH? (Agp and pci-e?)
I never heard of that!
THAT is a good idea

[vladislav]

One board has BOTH? (Agp and pci-e?)
I never heard of that!
THAT is a good idea

yes ULI chipset can do that.

[lhsonic]

wow, its like overclocking a celeron.............

who cares

You got Sempron and Opteron confused there buddy. If you didn't, you're an idiot. Opterons are far superior to Semprons/Celerons, are a bit better than AMD 64s and P4s if they were of equiv. clock speed (overclocking works too). They are also server quality.

[YorkU]

sorry to ask again but am I the only one (from ontario) to order this cpu @ ncix?

[Malfunction]

yes ULI chipset can do that.

Only ULI 1695 based boards, not 1689!

[NODES]

Yes, you want thermal paste. Go with the OCZ as its cheaper then Arctic Silver and is apparently the same stuff.

As far as CPUs are concerned, forget 754 and Clawhammers. Yes, the Clawhammers with the larger cache and OCability were decent chips, but there's newer FX cores and Venice/San Diego are better options. Not to mention 754 is a dead upgrade path.

If I had to guess, you're going to get a cabbage. This is exactly when the 0448 SPAW 3000+ came out. a handful of folks got them, reached near 3 GHz and everyone scrambled to get 3000+ They ended up with 2.5-2.6 and that's about it.

Plan on 2.5-2.6, don't expect 2.8 to 3.0, especially on air.

I want to make something abundantly clear to all of you hoping for the miracle chip. While the XS folks do show amazing OCs, you have to realize they are not typical results. They:

a) Take suicide screenshots
b) Consider a 30 second SuperPi test to be "stable"
c) Spend more on cooling then you'll ever spend. Period.
d) Frenquently bench their systems outside their cases

Yeah, the results are amazing... And yes, there are miracle chips. But they don't hang around, and those guys are fanatics. And they don't game, rip, encode, chat 24/7 on these 3 GHz monster chipped systems.


Amen...100% agree with the above statement. Those guys should get commision from all the AMD64 sales though :)

[coomar]

sorry to ask again but am I the only one (from ontario) to order this cpu @ ncix?

we don't know when ncix has it, i ordered from tankguys since well they mailed it to me already

your going to probably have to look at US retailers for another week at least

[technote]

just ordered a 939 146 from ncix, along with a thermalright xp-90 =)

just need to shell out another $200 for A8N-SLI Premium, and new PCI-E video card (probably 6600GT)... then I'll be in business... :evil:

[coomar]

there are better boards than the asus

[technote]

there are better boards than the asus

i OC but i don't extreme OC. it's too costly... which defeats the whole point of OCing (at least for me...)

[haveblue]

Eek.. I just clocked down my cpu to 7x and my HTT to 3x, put my ram at 100mhz, and started to push it up.. my htt won't do 300mhz.. the highest I could get it was around 280.. so looks like no 2 x 2.7ghz for me.. lol
I guess 2.5 is okay.. :)

I'd suggest anyone looking at these to overclock test out their boards a bit first if they haven't to see roughly how high you might be able to get your chip..

[alpha_tot]

just ordered a 939 146 from ncix, along with a thermalright xp-90 =)

just need to shell out another $200 for A8N-SLI Premium, and new PCI-E video card (probably 6600GT)... then I'll be in business... :evil:

If I were you I'd go for an A8N-e, and save over going sli...then put that cash into getting a connect3d x800gto (ncix has em on sale for $224). Unlock it and overclock it, and youll be close to the performance of dual 6600GTs.

[rahzel]

if you get a DFI NF4 board, you can save some money and get the 144. It doesnt really matter what ram you have because you wont lose that much performance using a divider. DFI boards can handle really high HTT.

[rahzel]

Eek.. I just clocked down my cpu to 7x and my HTT to 3x, put my ram at 100mhz, and started to push it up.. my htt won't do 300mhz.. the highest I could get it was around 280.. so looks like no 2 x 2.7ghz for me.. lol
I guess 2.5 is okay.. :)

I'd suggest anyone looking at these to overclock test out their boards a bit first if they haven't to see roughly how high you might be able to get your chip..
you got an opteron core? do you know what your steppings were? whats your voltage at?

[haveblue]

you got an opteron core? do you know what your steppings were? whats your voltage at?

No, I'm running a 3800+ (2.4ghz).. I wanted to see how high I could get my HTT, since I asked for an opteron 165 for christmas.. (Which are E6 btw)..

Edit: Oh, and I'm on a DFI board too, which is somewhat disapointing that I couldn't get to 300..

[Jaremy T]

so anyone know where they are in stock? Or are they all out in the country?

[rahzel]

No, I'm running a 3800+ (2.4ghz).. I wanted to see how high I could get my HTT, since I asked for an opteron 165 for christmas.. (Which are E6 btw)..

Edit: Oh, and I'm on a DFI board too, which is somewhat disapointing that I couldn't get to 300..
wow, you can only get to 280 with a DFI board? ive seen a few people able to set their HTT higher than 400 stable. Ive only tested mine at 300...

do you have the infinity series, or the lanparty series?

[haveblue]

LanParty UT Ultra-D (NF4)
I'm surprised by it as well.. Perhaps I'm doing something wrong, I'm pretty new to overclocking..

[Canadianpsycho]

LanParty UT Ultra-D (NF4)
I'm surprised by it as well.. Perhaps I'm doing something wrong, I'm pretty new to overclocking..

The DFI is extremely picky and you need to tinker with it a lot. But when its running well its great.

I find it sincerely hard to believe you can only get 280 on it.

[alpha_tot]

LanParty UT Ultra-D (NF4)
I'm surprised by it as well.. Perhaps I'm doing something wrong, I'm pretty new to overclocking..
did you crank up your chipset voltage? a lanparty should be able to do more than that.

[haveblue]

No, I haven't touched any voltages.. The only thing I changed, was my cpu multi, the ht multi, and my ram divider.. I'll wait around until I get the opty (if I get it) before I really start playing with it, my cpu now sucks..

On another note, does anyone know what core is in the 165's? A lot of people on other forums seem to be posting that it's Toledo, but one of the editors at anandtech said it was Denmark, so I'm confused about that..

[alpha_tot]

No, I haven't touched any voltages.. The only thing I changed, was my cpu multi, the ht multi, and my ram divider.. I'll wait around until I get the opty (if I get it) before I really start playing with it, my cpu now sucks..

On another note, does anyone know what core is in the 165's? A lot of people on other forums seem to be posting that it's Toledo, but one of the editors at anandtech said it was Denmark, so I'm confused about that..

i think theyre the same thing...the 144s are officially called venus i believe, but theyre basically san diegos, and the dual cores are officially denmarks, but really just toledos...iirc

[RideGuy]

sorry to ask again but am I the only one (from ontario) to order this cpu @ ncix?
I ordered one too. I wonder if we will actually ever see these chips. I'm ordering from a couple different places to help my chances.

RideGuy

[ledorky]

Wait a sec. I am about to order a dual-core from NCIX.
I read here none of the 939 boards officially support the Opteron.
So if I plug one in, will it be recognized as a dual-core CPU? Is it a waste to order dual-core?
I want the multi-tasking aspects of it (I'm tired of single-tasking CPUs, the 3200+ Venice I have right now feels sluggish when I'm doing multiple things, Windows ain't too good at pre-empting it seems like :)) and I want that 1MB cache.

[MtX]

i got a cabbage from the states too and its running 2.7 stable so far altho i havent tested much.. 30-32 idle, 45-47 full load...

how come the oems cant be found on ncix's cpu page?? how did you get those links!

[thefly]

Granted the uli based 939Dual-SATA2 by asrock isn't the best board out there....

But it does support the new chips with the newest bios.

939 Opteron 175DAA6CD 2200MHz 1000MHz 2MB E6 P1.40
939 Opteron 170DAA6CD 2000MHz 1000MHz 2MB E6 P1.40
939 Opteron 165DAA6CD 1800MHz 1000MHz 2MB E6 P1.40
939 Opteron 152DAA5BN 2600MHz 1000MHz 1MB E4 P1.40
939 Opteron 150DAA5BN 2400MHz 1000MHz 1MB E4 P1.40
939 Opteron 148DAA5BN 2200MHz 1000MHz 1MB E4 P1.40
939 Opteron 146DAA5BN 2000MHz 1000MHz 1MB E4 P1.40
939 Opteron 144DAA5BN 1800MHz 1000MHz 1MB E4 P1.40

so support is there and probably coming for other boards too.

[MtX]

Granted the uli based 939Dual-SATA2 by asrock isn't the best board out there....

But it does support the new chips with the newest bios.

939 Opteron 175DAA6CD 2200MHz 1000MHz 2MB E6 P1.40
939 Opteron 170DAA6CD 2000MHz 1000MHz 2MB E6 P1.40
939 Opteron 165DAA6CD 1800MHz 1000MHz 2MB E6 P1.40
939 Opteron 152DAA5BN 2600MHz 1000MHz 1MB E4 P1.40
939 Opteron 150DAA5BN 2400MHz 1000MHz 1MB E4 P1.40
939 Opteron 148DAA5BN 2200MHz 1000MHz 1MB E4 P1.40
939 Opteron 146DAA5BN 2000MHz 1000MHz 1MB E4 P1.40
939 Opteron 144DAA5BN 1800MHz 1000MHz 1MB E4 P1.40

so support is there and probably coming for other boards too.
i dont think any new bioses are needed to support these chips.. as long as tehyre s939, they should work fine..

anyways, i think my 2.7ghz is finally stable.. i just need to lower the voltages a bit..

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/4062/opteron2700mhz25dc.th.jpg (http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=opteron2700mhz25dc.jpg)

for anyone hoping to hit 3.0, good luck to you, those were the cabne steppings which were the first batch of the opterons.. amd has already caught on..

[coomar]

mine should be here tomorrow from tankguys

you should look at this thread if you have a dfi:
http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26642&highlight=opteron

excerpts:

Motherboard Compatibility and BIOS: I have not seen any reports of incompatibilities with DFI boards (nF3 or nF4). In fact, the vast majority of users are using DFI nF4 boards. All other socket 939 boards should be fine. On nF3 boards, BIOS versions 711, 815, and 824 all work. On nF4, it may be difficult to acheive 7.5 read preamble with BIOS 623-3, but 704-2BT 510-xFIX do not have this problem.

[coomar]

Model Numbers:: Multipliers are downward unlocked and upward locked – just like AMD64’s.

Single Core Chips: 144:200x9; 146:200x10; 148:200x11; 150:200x12; 152:200x13, 154:200x14
Dual Core Chips: 165:200x9; 170:200x10; 175:200x11; 180:200x12

Single Core Steppings: The list below is a general guide to the strength of steppings from best to worst (as determinded by their probability of reaching 3GHz):

1. CABNE 05xx (excluding 0540)
2. CABYE 0540
3, CABNE 0540 / CABYE 05xx (excluding 0540)
4. CAB2E 05xx
5. CABGE 05xx

It should be known that CAB2E's are more variable than other steppings. They are a bit hit or miss, a fact which diminishes their probability of hitting 3GHz. Many do, but many are stuck below 2.75. This assessment will be reviewed periodically as more info becomes available.

Dual Core Steppings: The only known stepping at the present time is CCBWE (though an early ACBWE 180 was obtained by someone friendly with AMD). Most are week 0530, and seem to be performing very well relative to X2's. However, there have been a couple week 0534's that did not achieve the success of the 0530's. This is still in theory stage; more results will help acertain the truth of this supposition. A slew of 165's have been ordered recently. We should have some decent data by next weekend.

Temperatures and Cooling: Opterons run hotter than Athlons. Single core maximum temperatures are rated between 65C and 71C, while dual cores are rated between 49C and 65C (AMD specs). The insane overclocks (over 3.4 GHz) are all on phase. An XP-90 and good case flow may be sufficient for 3GHz on a single core (depending largely on stepping), but in all cases water cooling will likely give you a boost in your overclock. This may be even more true in the case of dual cores since they are not rated to run as hot.

Removing the IHS has led to dramatic temperature decreases for many users. For information on removing the IHS, look here and search other forums. Be advised that this is a potentially CPU-killing procedure with inherent risks invlolved. Do your research or you'll be sorry. If you use a clip-on HS such as an XP-90, additional precautions must be exercised. Since clip-ons are very difficult to apply with even pressure, you run the risk of crushing the edges and/or corners of the exposed chip, and that is quite obviously very bad. In a stroke of genius, nomad has suggested a workaround that results in a ghetto screw-on heatsink. Remove your bracket from the board, clip the HS on, then position the HS/bracket unit over your CPU (after applying a small amount of TIM, of course). Then screw the bracket/HS unit back on, turning the screws on each side alternately, a little at a time. For more info, search the above link for "XP-90." For best contact, it should be noted that removing the IHS removes about 1mm of height, so one should shave down the contacts on the underside of the bracket about 1mm. Know that the use of any of the above techniques is solely at your own risk! Also know that removing the IHS will void your CPU's warranty!!!

Memory: As with all other socket 939 CPUs, 939 pin Opterons do not work with registered/buffered memory. They require unregistered memory. Don’t confuse these chips with the 940 pin models. Excellent results have been achieved with both TCCD and BH-5. It is widely held that they are very sensitive to both read preamble and max asynchronous latency, so if you are having difficulty, try adjusting these settings. Users commonly use 9/7.5, 9/7, 8/6, and 8/5.5 It appears that Opterons, like Athlons, will not run 4x512 at 1T. Some have had problems using dividers (usually 180 and/or 166). If you are having problems passing SuperPi, run your memory on a 133 or 150 divider. Subsequent success under a divider indicates that your memory is the problem, not your CPU.

[Madcatmk2]

For those who are thinking in buying the 939 Dual Asrock board.
The maximum overclock you will get with this board is about 2400Mhz.
There is reports of people having problems with this board described in both anandtech forum and newegg reviews.

http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/FeedBack/CustRatingReview.asp?Item=N82E16813157081

"Good not Great Overclocker
Purchased this board after reading anandtech's and tomshardware reviews along with an unwillingness to part with an expensive AGP card for PCIe. So in that regard there was NO other choice for me for a 939 board. For under 70 I thought it cheap enough to give a shot paired with a cheap Venice 3200+ (E6) (bad overclocking stepping fyi). Know this....you will get GOOD but not GREAT oc's with this board b/c:

1) vcore is capped at .05 above your processor default. An easy vcore mod can bump that up another .1 or so by 'tricking' the BIOS into providing more volts but ASRock has DELIBERATELY disabled this feature in BIOS revisions later than 1.20 (1.4 released today continues to disable this mod).

2) forget about getting any kind of juice to your RAM absent a) an aftermarket product like the OCZ DDR Booster or b)a much trickier vdimm mod. Stock "High" setting on vdimm voltage is ~2.7v so if your fancy RAM likes lots of volts, you may be frustrated by this board's thinness at the top end. Also, many people have had problems achieving a CMD rate of 1T no matter how loose they make their timings (especially those with A64 X2 processors). Don't plan on plugging your $$$$ 2-2-2-5 1T RAM in here and running it 1:1 at insane frequencies...there's just no vdimm support.

3) you will not get your CPU frequency above 270 with stock BIOS. Anything above 270 HTT is 'blocked,' again deliberately, by ASRock. Using experimental BIOS's (which introduce their own problems), people have hit 300+ HTT fairly easily (depending on processor) and some have hit 400 HTT but you have to be committed to get in the mud and wrestle with this board and the experimental BIOS's. I can't tell you how many sigs over at ocworkbench.com have A64 3000+ 270X9=2430. That's tops without an experimental OC BIOS.

Having said all that, this board is still very solid at an exceptional price and until more ULi chipset boards are out there, frankly, what are your other options to keep your AGP, migrate to A64, and PCIe down the road?? Stable 20%+ OCs are virtually a lock with the cheaper A64 Venice cores which is really quite decent for a board this cheap. SATA2 installation has been problematic for many. The onboard audio is dated and after you slap that prized AGP vidcard in, there's likely only space for 2 PCI cards. 2XSATA1 is a little stingy but this IS a VALUE board that just happens to have grand OC aspirations. If ASRock would simply unleash this board with better (and simple!)BIOS support, this board would be a real monster. Of course, then you wouldn't need to shell out more $$$$ for one of Big Brother AxxS's enthusiast boards. Given that dynamic, I think this board will remain a really solid, but permanently underachieving, overclocker. If you're ok with that, than there isn't a better value out there, IMO. Most of my info comes from my personal experience with this board so far and the others at ocworkbench who have been pushing this board's limits so that I don't have to :-D."


The lack of support for atx v2.0 standard is probably to blame.

[Malfunction]

For those who are thinking in buying the 939 Dual Asrock board.
The maximum overclock you will get with this board is about 2400Mhz.
There is reports of people having problems with this board described in both anandtech forum and newegg reviews.

http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/FeedBack/CustRatingReview.asp?Item=N82E16813157081

"Good not Great Overclocker
Purchased this board after reading anandtech's and tomshardware reviews along with an unwillingness to part with an expensive AGP card for PCIe. So in that regard there was NO other choice for me for a 939 board. For under 70 I thought it cheap enough to give a shot paired with a cheap Venice 3200+ (E6) (bad overclocking stepping fyi). Know this....you will get GOOD but not GREAT oc's with this board b/c:

1) vcore is capped at .05 above your processor default. An easy vcore mod can bump that up another .1 or so by 'tricking' the BIOS into providing more volts but ASRock has DELIBERATELY disabled this feature in BIOS revisions later than 1.20 (1.4 released today continues to disable this mod).

2) forget about getting any kind of juice to your RAM absent a) an aftermarket product like the OCZ DDR Booster or b)a much trickier vdimm mod. Stock "High" setting on vdimm voltage is ~2.7v so if your fancy RAM likes lots of volts, you may be frustrated by this board's thinness at the top end. Also, many people have had problems achieving a CMD rate of 1T no matter how loose they make their timings (especially those with A64 X2 processors). Don't plan on plugging your $$$$ 2-2-2-5 1T RAM in here and running it 1:1 at insane frequencies...there's just no vdimm support.

3) you will not get your CPU frequency above 270 with stock BIOS. Anything above 270 HTT is 'blocked,' again deliberately, by ASRock. Using experimental BIOS's (which introduce their own problems), people have hit 300+ HTT fairly easily (depending on processor) and some have hit 400 HTT but you have to be committed to get in the mud and wrestle with this board and the experimental BIOS's. I can't tell you how many sigs over at ocworkbench.com have A64 3000+ 270X9=2430. That's tops without an experimental OC BIOS.

Having said all that, this board is still very solid at an exceptional price and until more ULi chipset boards are out there, frankly, what are your other options to keep your AGP, migrate to A64, and PCIe down the road?? Stable 20%+ OCs are virtually a lock with the cheaper A64 Venice cores which is really quite decent for a board this cheap. SATA2 installation has been problematic for many. The onboard audio is dated and after you slap that prized AGP vidcard in, there's likely only space for 2 PCI cards. 2XSATA1 is a little stingy but this IS a VALUE board that just happens to have grand OC aspirations. If ASRock would simply unleash this board with better (and simple!)BIOS support, this board would be a real monster. Of course, then you wouldn't need to shell out more $$$$ for one of Big Brother AxxS's enthusiast boards. Given that dynamic, I think this board will remain a really solid, but permanently underachieving, overclocker. If you're ok with that, than there isn't a better value out there, IMO. Most of my info comes from my personal experience with this board so far and the others at ocworkbench who have been pushing this board's limits so that I don't have to :-D."


The lack of support for atx v2.0 standard is probably to blame.

What an excellent overview, thank you sir!

[YorkU]

I asked NCIX about the steppings and that's what I've got

Hi Chris,
Unfortunately our stock changes daily so we are unable to give out stepping. Sorry about that.
Ryan


>:(

[Madcatmk2]

What an excellent overview, thank you sir!

I didn't do it, note the quotes "". You should thank someone nicknamed Eggman
for that. I would add that the quality of this board varies and the agp might work only at 4x instead of 8x.

[coomar]

who can tell the difference between agp 4 and agp 8?

[YorkU]

who can tell the difference between agp 4 and agp 8?
it depends, if you'r using x850xt or GF2 MX 400 32mb... ;)

[coomar]

it depends, if you'r using x850xt or GF2 MX 400 32mb... ;)

not really

even a x850xt isn't saturating the bandwith of an agp 4x bus (or if it is, just barely)

[coomar]

i doubt many places are going to tell you the stepping, unless your going to pony up for a 150, the good steppings are gone

if your spending that much, the 165 is the best value by far (dual 1.8ghz 1MB cache)

[YorkU]

should I cancel my order as well? Are there any ameri stores that say the stepping and will ship it to me so I would not pay customs?

[Madcatmk2]

who can tell the difference between agp 4 and agp 8?

Its a big difference knowing to get it corrected easily instead of trial and error.

[MtX]

i dont think any new bioses are needed to support these chips.. as long as tehyre s939, they should work fine..

anyways, i think my 2.7ghz is finally stable.. i just need to lower the voltages a bit..

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/4062/opteron2700mhz25dc.th.jpg (http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=opteron2700mhz25dc.jpg)

for anyone hoping to hit 3.0, good luck to you, those were the cabne steppings which were the first batch of the opterons.. amd has already caught on..

CABGE isnt that bad, it's just a )@(*#@# overclocking..if u can hit 2.7, that's a FX57 at a fraction of the real cost ($1500+)..

[Katso]

pccanada.com has the OSA175CDBOX IN stock. Only $629.99, as NCIX is $664.44 and they are waiting 2 weeks. FrontierPC is $647.44.

Now to go overclock it. :)


http://www.pccanada.com/viewitem.asp?id=4010

[YorkU]

pccanada.com has the OSA175CDBOX IN stock. Only $629.99, as NCIX is $664.44 and they are waiting 2 weeks. FrontierPC is $647.44.

Now to go overclock it. :)


http://www.pccanada.com/viewitem.asp?id=4010
630$ for a cpu :( no way im spending that much

[alpha_tot]

Bumpin this back up...buy an opteron!

[duckdown]

I'd buy one if there was one that came at a decent GHZ speed out of the box.. I don't mind paying more.

[alpha_tot]

I'd buy one if there was one that came at a decent GHZ speed out of the box.. I don't mind paying more.
The 150s and 152s are pretty sweet at stock...but the deals on those dont seem to be as hot compared to athlon pricing (relative to the 144 and 146 prices) ...and of course the deals arent quite as hot if youre not planning on an oc.

[st7860]

ADDAX has them for $599. is that a good price?

AMD Athlon 64 Dual Core 4400 64bit Socket 939 $599

[MtX]

fear not, i will sell mine soon :P

[bug]

DANGEO (http://www.dangeo.com/proddetail.php?sku=52284) has the Opteron 146 retail box listed for preorder at $196.98

AMD Opteron™ Processor Details:

CPU ID: AMD Opteron™ Processor Model 146
Model: 146
Ordering Parts Number (OPN): OSA146BNBOX
Stepping: E4
Frequency: 2.0GHz
HyperTransport™ Technology Speed: 1MHz
Integrated Memory Controller: 2.0GHz
Core Voltage: 1.35 V/1.4 V
Case Temperature: 49° C to 65° C
Wattage: 67.0W
L2 Cache Size: 1 MB
L2 Cache Speed: 2.0GHz
Manf. Technology: .09 micron SOI
Socket: Socket 939
Amperage: 47.5 A
Warranty: 3 years

[alpha_tot]

DANGEO (http://www.dangeo.com/proddetail.php?sku=52284) has the Opteron 146 retail box listed for preorder at $196.98

AMD Opteron" Processor Details:

CPU ID: AMD Opteron" Processor Model 146
Model: 146
Ordering Parts Number (OPN): OSA146BNBOX
Stepping: E4
Frequency: 2.0GHz
HyperTransport" Technology Speed: 1MHz
Integrated Memory Controller: 2.0GHz
Core Voltage: 1.35 V/1.4 V
Case Temperature: 49° C to 65° C
Wattage: 67.0W
L2 Cache Size: 1 MB
L2 Cache Speed: 2.0GHz
Manf. Technology: .09 micron SOI
Socket: Socket 939
Amperage: 47.5 A
Warranty: 3 years
Nice...24 cents cheaper than ncix :)

[Saca_Saca]

Is it better to order OEM or the retail package?
Is there any difference between the two when it comes to ocing?

[YorkU]

No way, for me it's $ 233.92 @ dangeo vs. $ 193.25 @ ncix (both including Pulorator ground shipping and tax). 40 bucks difference, I could buy Zalman for this $$.

I dont care if it's OEM, so I'm keeping my order with ncix...


btw whats Stepping: E4 ?

[MtX]

OEM is 7 days warranty, Retail is 3 years I believe..

[alpha_tot]

Is it better to order OEM or the retail package?
Is there any difference between the two when it comes to ocing?

Theyre the same chip, but the OEM doesnt come with a heatsink...If youre planning on really overclocking, you probably want to buy a better heatsink, so its a waste to buy the retail box...but with the retail box you get a 3 year warranty vs 1 year OEM, which can also come in pretty handy. I went for OEM because the 144 retail box seems overpriced everywhere...but if your looking at a 146 the prices for retail box are a bit more reasonable relative to OEM.

[kyber]

So does anyone have any idea of when these will be available in Canada? (Toronto)
I'm looking specifically for the 144 or 165.....

[MtX]

Theyre the same chip, but the OEM doesnt come with a heatsink...If youre planning on really overclocking, you probably want to buy a better heatsink, so its a waste to buy the retail box...but with the retail box you get a 3 year warranty vs 1 year OEM, which can also come in pretty handy. I went for OEM because the 144 retail box seems overpriced everywhere...but if your looking at a 146 the prices for retail box are a bit more reasonable relative to OEM.

Does the website actually say 1 years manufacturer OEM warranty?

[YorkU]

it's always a 1 year AMD's warranty, and any product that is sold in canada has to have a 30 day warranty, never matter what, if the store says 7-9-whatever days warranty, let them know about Competition Bureau of Canada (i believe this is the actual name). ;)

[Madcatmk2]

So the ncix 7 days warranty on oem cpu's is illegal?

[alpha_tot]

AMD says 1 year http://www.amdcompare.com/us-en/opteron/details.aspx?opn=OSA144DAA5BN

[itsyours]

AMD says 1 year http://www.amdcompare.com/us-en/opteron/details.aspx?opn=OSA144DAA5BN
I may be wrong but I think it is AMD warranty to distributors.

[Reggin]

What is the best board for a 144, in terms of overclocking and having an AGP socket?

[MtX]

it's always a 1 year AMD's warranty, and any product that is sold in canada has to have a 30 day warranty, never matter what, if the store says 7-9-whatever days warranty, let them know about Competition Bureau of Canada (i believe this is the actual name). ;)

I asked you for proof :!: But the words you give me are from where?

Warranty Information

AMD's Limited Processor Warranty does not cover non-boxed products purchased from resellers.
AMD only provides a warranty on its line of boxed processors.

If I have a non-boxed product, who do I contact to determine if my problem is covered by the warranty?

Contact the company from which you originally bought your computer system or contact the system manufacturer. If your system was built by an OEM, please address your issue directly to that OEM for resolution. You can also consult the warranty documentation that accompanied your computer system for specific warranty terms and conditions. DO NOT contact AMD.

The reseller from which I bought a system that contains an AMD processor informs me that my warranty has expired. Does AMD provide a warranty extension period for the processor?

No. AMD DOES NOT cover products purchased from reseller and DOES NOT provide any extensions to the warranty period as outlined in the documentation which came with your computer system.

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_867,00.html

[MtX]

What is the best board for a 144, in terms of overclocking and having an AGP socket?

Nothing, they all suck, the DFI one I have is full of bugs and I hear the Neo2 is just as bad.. no one cares about NF3 no more, they all moved on to do better things :\

[importpsycho]

what's the ETA on this?

[alpha_tot]

What is the best board for a 144, in terms of overclocking and having an AGP socket?
I would go for the ASRock 939Dual-SATA2 that ppl have been talking about. With a modded bios its supposed to be a pretty good ocer, athough you might have to do a bit of soldering if you want to overvolt your cpu much... But in terms of upgradability, it cant be beat.

[haveblue]

what's the ETA on this?

My local shop says Dec. 1st.. Don't know when the online stores will start shipping them out.. probably a week or so before that..

[Saca_Saca]

Theyre the same chip, but the OEM doesnt come with a heatsink...If youre planning on really overclocking, you probably want to buy a better heatsink, so its a waste to buy the retail box...but with the retail box you get a 3 year warranty vs 1 year OEM, which can also come in pretty handy. I went for OEM because the 144 retail box seems overpriced everywhere...but if your looking at a 146 the prices for retail box are a bit more reasonable relative to OEM.

I was just wondering if there is a better chance getting a prefered stepping if you buy one or the other (OEM vs. Retail)? :|

[RideGuy]

Nothing, they all suck, the DFI one I have is full of bugs and I hear the Neo2 is just as bad.. no one cares about NF3 no more, they all moved on to do better things :\
This is the very reason why I'm am waiting to upgrade my board. I have an Asus A8V-DX which has been alright, but is not the best OCer. It can reach a decent bus speed, but and seems to be picky about memory and is slowly loosing stability over time. I feel there are NO good S939 with AGP options out there, so I'm waiting so I can replace the video card and MB at the same time. I plan to get a Crossfire board.

RideGuy

[coomar]

should be no difference, unless you plan on taking off the IHS though you should be getting retail

[MtX]

This is the very reason why I'm am waiting to upgrade my board. I have an Asus A8V-DX which has been alright, but is not the best OCer. It can reach a decent bus speed, but and seems to be picky about memory and is slowly loosing stability over time. I feel there are NO good S939 with AGP options out there, so I'm waiting so I can replace the video card and MB at the same time. I plan to get a Crossfire board.

RideGuy
Yep, Im kicking myself too for going NF3.. I bought an X850XT a week before I got the NF3/A64.. I shouldve just sold it here for a PCIe version and went NF4 instead :(

[coomar]

isn't the deal still on for a evga 7800gt and a free motherboard, at the very least you can sell the board for a hundred and it supposedly a pretty good overclocker (its a rebranded jetway)

[ali2908]

isn't the deal still on for a evga 7800gt and a free motherboard, at the very least you can sell the board for a hundred and it supposedly a pretty good overclocker (its a rebranded jetway)

has anybody tried to overclock that motherboard with an 144? any results

[coomar]

i dunno but you should be able to get a bill for it still

[Spare-Flair]

I'm thinking about a Shuttle SN95G5 which uses NF3 since I just splurged on an AGP card and I have lots of good DDR laying about.

Would that be alright for an Opteron and overclocking?

[importpsycho]

i dunno but you should be able to get a bill for it still


I wouldn't pay $100 for that

[Reggin]

When will the 146's be in stock @ NCIX?

[Reggin]

So it appears that NCIX doesn't sell any NForce4 AGP boards... Who does?

[bug]

So it appears that NCIX doesn't sell any NForce4 AGP boards... Who does?
All nforce 4 motherboards have pci-express 16 slots. There are none with AGP.

[Madcatmk2]

All nforce 4 motherboards have pci-express 16 slots. There are none with AGP.
The exception to the rule.
Biostar NF4ULA9
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=1559984&sku=B450-2302

Send an email to biostar to check if your video card is compatible.

Edit:
There is a small list there:
http://www.biostar-usa.com/mbdetails.asp?model=nf4ul-a9

[coomar]

I wouldn't pay $100 for that

it does close to 300 htt, its a better overclocker than the asus board

[dealcatcher]

939 opterons are supposed to be there in 2-3 weeks, prices look better than anything ive seen so far:
Opteron 144 OEM, $153!: http://www.frontierpc.com/ProductDetail.aspx?productID=201H66966
Opteron 146 OEM, $169: http://www.frontierpc.com/ProductDetail.aspx?productID=201H66967
The boxed versions are $185 and $202 for the 144 and 146 respectively. I ordered the 144 OEM, cant wait to overclock the snot out of it :twisted:
Dual core 165 (2x1.8ghz, 2x1mb l2) - $375 http://www.frontierpc.com/ProductDetail.aspx?productID=201H66978

NCIX has even better deals now...
144 OEM: $149 http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=H66966
146 OEM: $167 http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=H66967&vpn=OSA146DAA5BN&manufacture=AMD%20ADVANCED%20MICRO%20DEVICES
165 (dual core) OEM: $366 http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=H66978&vpn=OSA165DAA6CD&manufacture=AMD%20ADVANCED%20MICRO%20DEVICES


Is all Opteron 146 can be overclocked? or we need CABYE Stepping?

[importpsycho]

Is all Opteron 146 can be overclocked? or we need CABYE Stepping?

all can overclock, question is, how well?
CABNE does the best, CABYE is good
if you can get CABYE or CAB2E, you'll do fine

You can't get CABNE anymore, only on Egay, they go for 300+

[MtX]

isn't the deal still on for a evga 7800gt and a free motherboard, at the very least you can sell the board for a hundred and it supposedly a pretty good overclocker (its a rebranded jetway)

you sure about that? i hear its restricted in HTT :\

[Dazog]

Just buy a DFI for 140

and quit complaning about cheap boards

an extra 40 bucks for a KNOWN overclocking board is worth it.

[MtX]

Just buy a DFI for 140

and quit complaning about cheap boards

an extra 40 bucks for a KNOWN overclocking board is worth it.

Heck I'd trade my NF3 for a DFI NF4.

[coomar]

Heck I'd trade my NF3 for a DFI NF4.

who would take that trade?

[Haz]

Anyone actually get one yet? I'm looking to order one but it'll be 2 weeks at the earliest.

[kaddy69]

When is NCIX getting these? Is there anyone else who has them in stock?

I'm sick of the wait.

kaddy69

[Haz]

It's all special order. I just ordered an Opteron 144 Retail from one of my suppliers (I work wholesale) and I was told next week. There is not ETA for the 146 otherwise I would have went for that one.

[kaddy69]

It's all special order. I just ordered an Opteron 144 Retail from one of my suppliers (I work wholesale) and I was told next week. There is not ETA for the 146 otherwise I would have went for that one.

I orded a OEM 146 from NCIX and a Retail 144.

I'm hope they get some soon.

[Saca_Saca]

NCIX has raised the prices for the Opteron S939!

146 =270.00
165 =575.80

Supply and demand I guess. :mad:

I don't see the OEM cpu's for sale anymore either.

[kaddy69]

NCIX has raised the prices for the Opteron S939!

146 =270.00
165 =575.80

Supply and demand I guess. :mad:

I don't see the OEM cpu's for sale anymore either.

well it looks I'm buying from the USA. With these new prices, by the time I pay shipping and taxes, it will be close to NCIX's prices.

kaddy69

[Saca_Saca]

well it looks I'm buying from the USA. With these new prices, by the time I pay shipping and taxes, it will be close to NCIX's prices.

kaddy69

I had a 146 pre-ordered from NCIX when they were $197.00, but decided to order from TankGuys in the US.
The total with shipping (USPS) was $216.00 can.
They list the steppings on the web site...so I figured a guy has a better chance at getting a good overclocker.

[Haz]

NCIX has raised the prices for the Opteron S939!

146 =270.00
165 =575.80

Supply and demand I guess. :mad:

I don't see the OEM cpu's for sale anymore either.
The OEM 144 is still there. (http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=H66966)

[MtX]

hahahaha i knew this would happen, there is no way NCIX would sell opterons cheaper than the states.. you all got deceived :\

[Haz]

I had a 146 pre-ordered from NCIX when they were $197.00, but decided to order from TankGuys in the US.
The total with shipping (USPS) was $216.00 can.
They list the steppings on the web site...so I figured a guy has a better chance at getting a good overclocker.
That's a pretty good deal!

[Saca_Saca]

hahahaha i knew this would happen, there is no way NCIX would sell opterons cheaper than the states.. you all got deceived :\

The opterons can still be had for the lower price, just not from NCIX. It is still cheaper to order from the US. :)

[alpha_tot]

where are they in stock for cheaper than NCIX in the US?

[Saca_Saca]

where are they in stock for cheaper than NCIX in the US?

http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=120330

exchange puts it at about $226.00 Can.

[MtX]

http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=120330

exchange puts it at about $226.00 Can.

Isnt that in the US? :lol:

After exchange rates, shipping, customs & taxes (very hard to avoid when buying off stores EVEN if you use USPS), it will be around $275-$300...I bought $100 worth of modding equipment (including my SI-120) and I had to pay $25 for customs.....

[Saca_Saca]

Isnt that in the US? :lol:

After exchange rates, shipping, customs & taxes (very hard to avoid when buying off stores EVEN if you use USPS), it will be around $275-$300...I bought $100 worth of modding equipment (including my SI-120) and I had to pay $25 for customs.....

I have never paid any brokerage fee or taxes when using USPS. Shipping is $18.00 US..so should be about $250.00 Can.

If you don't mind pre-ordering, TankGuys are selling the 146 for $165.00!!!

[coomar]

i ordered a 144 from tankguys, 4-10 days

it shipped 2 fridays ago so the latest it can come will be this friday

[Cisco KId]

i ordered a 144 from tankguys, 4-10 days

it shipped 2 fridays ago so the latest it can come will be this friday

tg's are pretty good.

Word is and from what I have seen and researched is go with retail and the 144's retail all appear to be CAB2E 0540FPMW, also good things about CABYE appears 0540 seem to be best to date. The 146's come as CABNE

Worst stepping is CABGE which is OEM. Best off to buy retail seems to be consensus but I am sure we will see OEM's do well also

[rahzel]

hahahaha i knew this would happen, there is no way NCIX would sell opterons cheaper than the states.. you all got deceived :\
you dont know what happened...

NCIX was going to sell them for that price, but the supplier they planned on getting them from had no stock, and wouldnt be getting any in for a very long time. They switched to a different supplier that will be able to get some, but at a higher price. my guess is, NCIX will be the first store in Canada to get them in stock.

if i were to order one though, id order one from Tankguys, because they say their cpu's will likely be CABYE or CAB2E which are both good steppings. I dunno what NCIX will get, and they wont check the steppings for you.

[MtX]

good luck guys, let me know the results of buying from tankguys, i might pick one up myself too :)

[kaddy69]

I ordered a 146 from tank guys.

[alpha_tot]

Whatever, Ill stick with my $153 (CAD) preorder on the 144. Worked out to about $175 total. Unless of course someone can answer my original question... Where can you get one cheaper in stock anywhere?

[coomar]

aren't they just going to readjust the price

[importpsycho]

pre-ordered from both NCIX(old price) and tankguys

[kaddy69]

WOW the 146 at NCIX.com is $270

NCIX 146 Link (http://forum.ncix.com/forums/index.php?mode=showthread&msg_id=967008&threadid=967008&forum=101&product_id=16788&msgcount=3&overclockid=0#msg967008)

That's crazy!

[importpsycho]

WOW the 146 at NCIX.com is $270

NCIX 146 Link (http://forum.ncix.com/forums/index.php?mode=showthread&msg_id=967008&threadid=967008&forum=101&product_id=16788&msgcount=3&overclockid=0#msg967008)

That's crazy!


and I thought ppl paying $300+ for CABNE on ebay were crazy... looks like that wasn't so bad deal after all lol....

[coomar]

there was one for 500 on ebay

US!!!!!!

[Ghetto_Child]

who cares how far it can overclock!!!

A celeron D can OC to 3.8ghz easy and it wont even beat a Pentium4 3ghz.

What i want to say is: HOW DOES AN OPTERON 144 COMPARE to an AMD64 3000+ , BOTH OVERCLOCKED to say, 2.6ghz??

I mean, if an OCed Opteron is slower than an AMD64 cpu, then wuts the point of OCing when it still sux. I also heard that the opteron may be slower then an AMD64 in gaming... anyone know??

Processors are not fast because of clock speed. That only tells you something (not everything) about how many instructions it can accept in a second, cpu latency still has an affect on overall performance. Apparently the calculation of a cpu's performance is the clock speed multiplied by the number of instructions it can complete in a cycle or a second. What really determines how efficient ( directly related to it's actual performance) a cpu is, is the number of different types of instruction sets it can communicate in. I'm not talking about just MMX, 3DNow-Advanced, SSE1-3. There's more like IA-64, FEMMS Instruction, CMPXCHG8B, CMPXCHG16B, etc. The more of those your cpu can handle the more your cpu can guess correctly the next result or next value and skip the latency times of calculating it. Also the more info that can be communicated by using less and less data transactions.

Go download Lavalys Everest and take a look at the "motherboard" category and then go to the "CPUID" category. The more checks you have there, the more efficient your cpu is and so the higher it's actual performance.

BTW my socket 423 willamette Pentium 4 1.4GHz 400Mhz bus with 512MB of PC800 40ns RDRAM running Win2K is 4 times faster than my brother's Celeron D 2.4GHz 400MHz bus with 512MB of PC2100 or PC2700 DDR SDRAM and WinXP. He boots his system and it takes a good while (I'm sure over a minute)just to get to the desktop and he has no programs that autostart with windows. I boot my system and in under 30secs (with a countdown timer OS selection screen and then manual windows user login) I'm at my desktop with 10 IE6 windows autostarted to different websites; all windows find their pages on the first try; Norton Anti-Virus full heuristics auto-protect with comprehensive file scanning, configsafe (even though I don't use it), ADI SoundMax3 tray icon, and IBM scrollpoint 2 manager/tray icon. Oh yeah both me and my brother have never overclocked any of our systems.

[MARZ]

need more info on OC'ing.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=58

[coomar]

due to differences in architechture, intel chips that have reduced l2 cache suffer a much greater performance hit than amd architechture

its why semprons are better than celerons (though 128k l2 semprons probably aren't)

the guy you quoted didn't know what the hell he was talking about

the 1mg l2 cache on the opteron doesn't really make a difference, its more about bragging rights

[Chipbug]

due to differences in architechture, intel chips that have reduced l2 cache suffer a much greater performance hit than amd architechture

its why semprons are better than celerons (though 128k l2 semprons probably aren't)

the guy you quoted didn't know what the hell he was talking about

the 1mg l2 cache on the opteron doesn't really make a difference, its more about bragging rights
There are certain classes of applications that love a large cache. For example SETI@HOME, the client code is larger than 512KB. So a 1 MB cache can allow it to run completely in cache. I think most database engine, which is what the Opteron originally targeted for, likes a large cache, too.

[spol]

NCIX set thier price back to normal but its still more than the original.


OSA144BNBOX AMD Opteron 144 Processor S939 Venus 1.8GHZ 1MB L2 Cache 90NM 64BIT Retail Box
*Pre-Order Pre-Order $179.05 BUY
OSA146BNBOX AMD Opteron 146 Processor S939 Venus 2.0GHZ 1MB L2 Cache 90NM 64BIT Retail Box
*Pre-Order Pre-Order $198.59 BUY
OSA148BNBOX AMD Opteron 148 Processor S939 Venus 2.2GHZ 1MB L2 Cache 90NM 64BIT Retail Box
*Pre-Order Pre-Order $316.24 BUY
OSA165CDBOX AMD Opteron 165 Dual Core Processor S939 Denmark 1.8GHZ 2MB L2 Cache 90NM 64BIT Retail Box
*Pre-Order Pre-Order $398.89 BUY
OSA170DAA6CD AMD Opteron 170 Dual Core Processor S939 Denmark 2.0GHZ 2MB L2 Cache 90NM 64BIT OEM No Heatsink
*Pre-Order Pre-Order $491.55 BUY
OSA170CDBOX AMD Opteron 170 Dual Core Processor S939 Denmark 2.0GHZ 2MB L2 Cache 90NM 64BIT Retail Box
*Pre-Order Pre-Order $515.51 BUY
OSA175CDBOX AMD Opteron 175 Dual Core Processor S939 Denmark 2.2GHZ 2MB L2 Cache 90NM 64BIT Retail Box
*Pre-Order Pre-Order $657.89 BUY

[MtX]

NCIX set thier price back to normal but its still more than the original.


OSA144BNBOX AMD Opteron 144 Processor S939 Venus 1.8GHZ 1MB L2 Cache 90NM 64BIT Retail Box
*Pre-Order Pre-Order $179.05 BUY
OSA146BNBOX AMD Opteron 146 Processor S939 Venus 2.0GHZ 1MB L2 Cache 90NM 64BIT Retail Box
*Pre-Order Pre-Order $198.59 BUY
OSA148BNBOX AMD Opteron 148 Processor S939 Venus 2.2GHZ 1MB L2 Cache 90NM 64BIT Retail Box
*Pre-Order Pre-Order $316.24 BUY
OSA165CDBOX AMD Opteron 165 Dual Core Processor S939 Denmark 1.8GHZ 2MB L2 Cache 90NM 64BIT Retail Box
*Pre-Order Pre-Order $398.89 BUY
OSA170DAA6CD AMD Opteron 170 Dual Core Processor S939 Denmark 2.0GHZ 2MB L2 Cache 90NM 64BIT OEM No Heatsink
*Pre-Order Pre-Order $491.55 BUY
OSA170CDBOX AMD Opteron 170 Dual Core Processor S939 Denmark 2.0GHZ 2MB L2 Cache 90NM 64BIT Retail Box
*Pre-Order Pre-Order $515.51 BUY
OSA175CDBOX AMD Opteron 175 Dual Core Processor S939 Denmark 2.2GHZ 2MB L2 Cache 90NM 64BIT Retail Box
*Pre-Order Pre-Order $657.89 BUY

Those prices look more realistic, gj NCIX

[coomar]

dual core under 400 bucks

[spol]

Quote from the NCIX Admin:


This is pretty much the situation right now.

A bunch of Canadian suppliers had listed them at very LOW prices, but had never had stock, and never really planned to bring them in except on a special order basis. I'm also not so sure their pricing was correct to begin with, as the other supplier's Greg speaks of actually has them no more than AMD mapped pricing (so the wholesale price is pretty much set by AMD without huge variation).

Basically, 95% of the listings you might see on many Canadian sites, is listing from the same supplier, and from what we hear, they may get some in, or they may not, with some scenarios indicating some suppliers may not get full shipments until Spring of next year.

If all goes well, we will be getting some in reasonably soon, but we'll wait and see...

Honestly, we're not jacking up the prices, neither is AMD, nor are AMD's suppliers. I think it's more the error of a couple of suppliers we (and many others) get feeds from.

[Saca_Saca]

Just got this from TankGuys:

Good evening!

We just wanted to let you know we are expecting another shipment of 146's to arrive at the end of this week, or early next week. This means we should be shipping out your order somewhere between Monday (11/21) and Wednesday (11/23) depending on how everythign falls into place.

Steppings are most likely CABYE 0540's again, but we won't know for absolute sure until they arrive. When we do prepare your order for shipment, we will let you know what stepping/week code you'll get.

What great service!!!! :D

[Haz]

I don't even think I'm gonna get mine till January now. I heard that very few Canadian retailers actually ordered these early enough. The ones in the US are from orders put in to AMD 3+ months ago and are finally making it to the e-shelves.

Bah. If I don't get it next week, I'm gonna wait till January and try to get a 146.

[alpha_tot]

Just checked back at frontierPC, ETA on the 144 OEMs is 11/25/05...price is now 155.44. The ETA is the same for the 165 DC OEM, but it doesnt seem to be listed for any other models or any retail boxes either.

[kaddy69]

canada is not getting them any time soon.

kaddy69

[alpha_tot]

canada is not getting them any time soon.

kaddy69

whats your source for that statement?

alpha_tot :lol:

[spol]

canada is not getting them any time soon.

kaddy69

maybe you should start putting more words in your post instead of your signature.

[itsyours]

Edit:
The Ninja, Big Typhoon and XP-120 are good HSFs for these OCed Opterons,
NOT the Zalman 9500.

[randomdef]

the 1mg l2 cache on the opteron doesn't really make a difference, its more about bragging rights

WAY TO PULL FACTS OUT OF YOUR ASS! YOU GO GIRL!

[Haz]

whats your source for that statement?

alpha_tot :lol:
I'm in the business and from what I can see, he may be right. Seems to me that only AMD PLATINUM Solution Partners stand a chance at getting some before 2006. I've been checking around and haven't gotten any solid answers about who will get any and when. AMD just plain didn't make enough.

[Sgt_Strider]

The wait is killing me...seriously..

[dux]

What s a good mobo for this CPU?

Something like this?

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=13825&vpn=LP-UT-NF4-ULTRA-D&manufacture=DFI

And another question, anybody know a good pci-e video card to replace my Radeon 9700 pro?
I'm still happy with my Radeon9700 tho, so I'm debating between getting a AGP or PCI-E system board.

[Torell]

What s a good mobo for this CPU?

Something like this?

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=13825&vpn=LP-UT-NF4-ULTRA-D&manufacture=DFI

And another question, anybody know a good pci-e video card to replace my Radeon 9700 pro?
I'm still happy with my Radeon9700 tho, so I'm debating between getting a AGP or PCI-E system board.

that motherboard can be modded to be an SLI board, save yourself couple bucks
also you could buy the NF4-D and mod it to have SATAII and SLI, save yourself some more, but i think the ultra-d is cheaper....weird

This HSF is a good one to use with OCed Opterons:
Zalman CNPS 9500 LED
Review: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Zalman/CNPS-9500LED/1
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Zalman/CNPS-9500LED/images/glamourlighted_small.jpg
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Zalman/CNPS-9500LED/images/back_small.jpg

yeah i'm looking at this heatsink as well
but i've been reading good stuff about the xp-120 and it'll fit in my dfi nf4 ultra-d, so i just have to find comparisons between the two

Just got this from TankGuys:

Good evening!

We just wanted to let you know we are expecting another shipment of 146's to arrive at the end of this week, or early next week. This means we should be shipping out your order somewhere between Monday (11/21) and Wednesday (11/23) depending on how everythign falls into place.

Steppings are most likely CABYE 0540's again, but we won't know for absolute sure until they arrive. When we do prepare your order for shipment, we will let you know what stepping/week code you'll get.

What great service!!!! :D

i got this same email, i can't wait!

[coomar]

WAY TO PULL FACTS OUT OF YOUR ASS! YOU GO GIRL!

sigh

so i got to pull out the reviews

it makes a big difference in synthetics but in real benchmarks not so much

the extra cache will give 100mhz at most over a 512k l2

[coomar]

i have an ultra-d with xp-120, it fits perfectly

the normal nf4 chipset doesn't have all the overclocking options, it will be very difficult to overclock on it, get the ultra or the sli

[spol]

yeah i'm looking at this heatsink as well
but i've been reading good stuff about the xp-120 and it'll fit in my dfi nf4 ultra-d, so i just have to find comparisons between the two



Quote from SPCR:

The Zalman 9500 provides excellent cooling performance, close to the best that we've tested, the Scythe Ninja, and matches the Thermalright XP-120. It provides this performance even when airflow is reduced by undervolting the fan with the included Fanmate, a feature for which we've long applauded Zalman.

However, similar performance could be achieved at a lower noise level with the two heatsinks mentioned above by using a quiet Nexus 120mm fan. By contrast, the fan in the 9500 is a step backwards even from its predecessor, the Zalman 7000, which sounded nicer (if only slightly quieter) at the same voltage.

[kaddy69]

The Thermaltake Big Typhoon is one of the best coolers on the market right now. It has beat out the cpn 9500 in many reviews and even the xp-120.

kaddy69

[lexx]

Has anyone noticed the shameful price gouging going on @ online vendors with these Opteron chips?

[Haz]

Has anyone noticed the shameful price gouging going on @ online vendors with these Opteron chips?
Supply and demand. Just that I don't think many of those vendors are gonna get any supply till January.

[coomar]

considering these were announced in august, only available for pre-order in october it and amd didn't realize the market for these a lot of stores aren't going to have them in stock until the new year

[mrwiggles]

Guys, a question -- really, how good a deal do you think this is? It's only a HOT deal, IMHO, if this price is for a limited time -- so really, is this a limited time thing?

Or will these CPUs always be at this price point from now on? Should I really place an order and wait it out, or will everyone have access to these at this price once they get stock?

[coomar]

the 165 is probably discontinued so this is hot

[Nismo]

the 165 is probably discontinued so this is hot

read somewhere this isnt true, they wont discontinue them.

[randomdef]

sigh

so i got to pull out the reviews

it makes a big difference in synthetics but in real benchmarks not so much

the extra cache will give 100mhz at most over a 512k l2

i'm waiting....

[spol]

read somewhere this isnt true, they wont discontinue them.

you could be right but where exactly did you hear that?


You could also get the 170 for $100 more,, IMO its worth the 2 more clocks.

[itsyours]

Quote from SPCR:

The Zalman 9500 provides excellent cooling performance, close to the best that we've tested, the Scythe Ninja, and matches the Thermalright XP-120. It provides this performance even when airflow is reduced by undervolting the fan with the included Fanmate, a feature for which we've long applauded Zalman.

However, similar performance could be achieved at a lower noise level with the two heatsinks mentioned above by using a quiet Nexus 120mm fan. By contrast, the fan in the 9500 is a step backwards even from its predecessor, the Zalman 7000, which sounded nicer (if only slightly quieter) at the same voltage.
Sounds like the best solution still are the Ninja & XP-120 couple with your choice of 120 mm fan & the Big Typhoon. It's true Zalman fans never be the quietest ones and many of them come with a whining noise that I hate the most.

[importpsycho]

From tankguys

We got our shipment of 146's tonight, and we have checked the steppings on all of them. We got 4 CABYE's and 36 CAB2E's. Based on your spot in line, you have been given a CAB2E 0540 FPMW. They will be shipping out Monday afternoon. If you decide that you do not want this stepping or you wish to cancel your order for any other reason, you must let us know before Sunday night. Otherwise, this will be going out on Monday, and we'll forward you a tracking number as soon as we ship!



too bad not CABYE,, CAB2E has mixed results, mostly around 2700~2800, some on 3000.. at least it's not CABGE

[MtX]

From tankguys

How much did you pay again in total? $250CAD after conversion + shipping?

[importpsycho]

How much did you pay again in total? $250CAD after conversion + shipping?


218~220 including shipping, after conversion

[Torell]

exactly what i got
pretty damn good since we're still getting them before the canadian stores, i'm glad i ordered from the states

here's hoping it'll be a good overclocker
just ordered the xp-120 and a panaflo 120mm fan for it
that sucker better be good i've bought an entirely new computer around this crazy chip

[coomar]

i'm waiting....

google san diego amd and look at the non-synthetic test results

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=219&num=2

the cache will make a difference but its a lot less than people think

[coomar]

i paid 200 CAN for the 144 from tankguys after shipping

[Spare-Flair]

i paid 200 CAN for the 144 from tankguys after shipping

Are Tankguys out now? Did you guys have to queue early for these CPUs? Are they E3 or E4 stepping?

[importpsycho]

Are Tankguys out now? Did you guys have to queue early for these CPUs? Are they E3 or E4 stepping?


I made my order on Nov 14, if I had done it earlier, i would've gotten CABYE

[importpsycho]

google san diego amd and look at the non-synthetic test results

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=219&num=2

the cache will make a difference but its a lot less than people think


who care if it's lot less, you are basiclly getting FX-55/57 for $200
FX being the fastest CPU for gamings, there is no reason not to buy :D

[spol]

Sounds like the best solution still is the XP 120 couple with your choice of 120 mm fan. It's true Zalman fans never be the quietest ones and many of them come with a whining noise that I hate the most.

Zalman fans really suck, and the new ones are gettin worst.

The ninja is probably a better HS than the XP-120, specially on lower air flow the ninja will sure do better, plus you can put the fan anywhere you want. But XP-120 is still an excelt choice.

[kaddy69]

Zalman fans really suck, and the new ones are gettin worst.

The ninja is probably a better HS than the XP-120, specially on lower air flow the ninja will sure do better, plus you can put the fan anywhere you want. But XP-120 is still an excelt choice.


what do you think of the Thermaltake Big Typhoon? I hear it's one of the best on the market. It cools better thans the zalmans (I use a cpns7000), and in some cases better than xp-120.

[Spare-Flair]

Considering these are impossible to find, are there any Canadian retailers that will allow you to check the stepping?

Obviously the Opteron 146's are scarce and in short supply which is too bad because I could really use the price break.

So if I'm looking for a CPU with 1MB L2 Cache, what's the difference between a 2.2GHz A64 3700+ and a 2.2GHz Opteron 148 S939 with 1MB L2 Cache? What's the difference between San Diego and Venus cores? And I'm trying to run this in a Shuttle that is very picky about steppings. Are they different? (E3/E4/E6).

The prices for these two CPUs are within $10 of each other. Which should I get?

[importpsycho]

what do you think of the Thermaltake Big Typhoon? I hear it's one of the best on the market. It cools better thans the zalmans (I use a cpns7000), and in some cases better than xp-120.


all heatsink reviews you'll ever want to see

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=37&threadid=1723066&enterthread=y

[coomar]

opterons are venus cores, its just a renamed san diego

that would make them technically e4's

i pre-ordered from tankguys october 12

[Malfunction]

Check this hsf review out Asetek Vapochill review (http://www.benscustomcases.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1856&Itemid=40)

These seem to compete with the big typhoon quiet well.

[coomar]

From tankguys:

I'm hearing through some sources that AMD is no longer going to be selling the 939 opterons through distribution/retail units anymore. Word is that they don't like these chips being used for anything but servers, so they will ONLY be shipping them directly to System Integrators.

I haven't been able to completely confirm this yet, but I wanted to give you guys a heads up. If you want one of these, and you can find one ANYWHERE (no, I don't have any more available ) then I'd recommend you buy it. Chances are good that you won't see them available anymore.

I'll let you all know when I find out anymore info. As I said, I can't be 100% sure this is true, but it's the rumors I'm hearing from a few suppliers....

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=28&threadid=1738124&enterthread=y

[spol]

If AMD does that I will hate 'em forever..........

[duckdown]

How can one determine the stepping?
I might visit a few stores in-person to try and pick one out

[coomar]

why? it can't be helping their sales of regular 939's and x2's

[MtX]

From tankguys:

I'm hearing through some sources that AMD is no longer going to be selling the 939 opterons through distribution/retail units anymore. Word is that they don't like these chips being used for anything but servers, so they will ONLY be shipping them directly to System Integrators.

I haven't been able to completely confirm this yet, but I wanted to give you guys a heads up. If you want one of these, and you can find one ANYWHERE (no, I don't have any more available ) then I'd recommend you buy it. Chances are good that you won't see them available anymore.

I'll let you all know when I find out anymore info. As I said, I can't be 100% sure this is true, but it's the rumors I'm hearing from a few suppliers....

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=28&threadid=1738124&enterthread=y
Damn, does this mean I can sell mine for like $400 on eBay: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[coomar]

your going to need the ones that hit 3.0ghz + to get more than 200 from ebay

[MtX]

not if retards on ebay can help me :lol:

[coomar]

well considering this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6821923839&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

yeah you can probably get 300

[spol]

BIG NEWS

THEY ARE IN!


AMD Opteron 148 In Stock


AMD Opteron 170 Dual Core In Stock


@ N.C.I.X (http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?minorcatid=106&subminorcatid=24)




OMFG!!!!!OMFG!!!!!OMFG!!!!!OMFG!!!!!OMFG!!!!!OMFG! !!!!OMFG!!!!!

[importpsycho]

BIG NEWS

THEY ARE IN!


AMD Opteron 148 In Stock


AMD Opteron 170 Dual Core In Stock


@ N.C.I.X (http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?minorcatid=106&subminorcatid=24)




OMFG!!!!!OMFG!!!!!OMFG!!!!!OMFG!!!!!OMFG!!!!!OMFG! !!!!OMFG!!!!!


doesn't excite me, it's not 144 or 146
$297.98 for 148...

[spol]

doesn't excite me, it's not 144 or 146
$297.98 for 148...


yeh the NCIX admin said they are gonna get the rest of 'em by next week or so.

[rahzel]

yeh the NCIX admin said they are gonna get the rest of 'em by next week or so.
when did he say that?

i heard him say that the 146's might be a no-go, but hopefully they will know whats coming by next week.

by the sounds of it, they might be getting the 144's, but i wish they would tell us the steppings.

http://forum.ncix.com/forums/index.php?mode=showthread&forum=101&threadid=970271&pagenumber=1&msgcount=13&subpage=1&product_id=16790

[gewain]

Anyone got the latest word on the Asrock 939 dual with the overclocking bios and the Opterons??
Will bios vers. 1.02 work?

Ordered one on yesterday - they're shipping it Monday.
Might have been able to get it shipped cheaper but this suits me OK.

1 x Opteron 146 2.0 Ghz 1Mb Cache Socket 939 CAB2E 0540
Sub-Total: $165.00
United States Postal Service (1 x 3lbs) (Airmail Parcel Post): $18.25
Total: $183.25
(about C$218)
Your order has been packaged and will ship Monday. Thanks for choosing TankGuys!!
Your order has been updated to the following status.

New status: Order Shipped

[itsyours]

Anyone got the latest word on the Asrock 939 dual with the overclocking bios and the Opterons??
Will bios vers. 1.02 work?

Ordered one on yesterday - they're shipping it Monday.
Might have been able to get it shipped cheaper but this suits me OK.

1 x Opteron 146 2.0 Ghz 1Mb Cache Socket 939 CAB2E 0540
Sub-Total: $165.00
United States Postal Service (1 x 3lbs) (Airmail Parcel Post): $18.25
Total: $183.25
(about C$218)
Your order has been packaged and will ship Monday. Thanks for choosing TankGuys!!
Your order has been updated to the following status.

New status: Order Shipped
Woow! That's fast. Is that an OEM one?
Myself I couldn't resist and ordered one OEM 146 from NCIX but I doubt I'll get it. :D

[deactivated1245]

Can anyone tell me the difference between these Opteron 144s listed on NCIX?

this one:
AMD Opteron 144 Processor S939 Venus 1.8GHZ 1MB L2 Cache 90NM 64BIT Retail Box $179.05
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=16440

and this one:
OPTERON 144 PGA939 1.8GHZ IM 1.8GHZ FSB09M 67.0W FSB TRAY $151.42
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=H66966

Is one just retail and the other OEM, or are they different chips?

[gewain]

I think the only difference is the retail comes with heatsink and fan. I can't
remember but I think the one I got from tankguys is boxed.

Can anyone tell me the difference between these Opteron 144s listed on NCIX?

this one:
AMD Opteron 144 Processor S939 Venus 1.8GHZ 1MB L2 Cache 90NM 64BIT Retail Box $179.05
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=16440

and this one:
OPTERON 144 PGA939 1.8GHZ IM 1.8GHZ FSB09M 67.0W FSB TRAY $151.42
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=H66966

Is one just retail and the other OEM, or are they different chips?

[coomar]

retail has 3 year warranty
the serial stamped on the heatsink is proof of purchase

[kaddy69]

Anyone got the latest word on the Asrock 939 dual with the overclocking bios and the Opterons??
Will bios vers. 1.02 work?

Ordered one on yesterday - they're shipping it Monday.
Might have been able to get it shipped cheaper but this suits me OK.

1 x Opteron 146 2.0 Ghz 1Mb Cache Socket 939 CAB2E 0540
Sub-Total: $165.00
United States Postal Service (1 x 3lbs) (Airmail Parcel Post): $18.25
Total: $183.25
(about C$218)
Your order has been packaged and will ship Monday. Thanks for choosing TankGuys!!
Your order has been updated to the following status.

New status: Order Shipped



yeah, I got the same email The CAb2E's look like there getting good results. I'm going to try for 3.0ghz on air.

I still need some new ram and a PSU first. :mad:

[spol]

when did he say that?

i heard him say that the 146's might be a no-go, but hopefully they will know whats coming by next week.

by the sounds of it, they might be getting the 144's, but i wish they would tell us the steppings.

http://forum.ncix.com/forums/index.php?mode=showthread&forum=101&threadid=970271&pagenumber=1&msgcount=13&subpage=1&product_id=16790


"What I meant is that we're hoping to get a few other models **in stock soon** (next week or so) and we were hoping some 146s would be part of that. We may get a few pieces in (but we need more) but the emphasis is *may get*.

Some of the others looks like we'll get reasnably soon, but I won't say anymore just in case boxes show up and they're empty.

Sorry for being vague, but these are literally the hardest CPUs to get we've ever come across, and we sell a lot of CPUs, and we're a major AMD partner (we're a AMD Platinum dealer - so we can literally bug someone at AMD every day if we need to"

[coomar]

mine looks like it will struggle to prime/ superpi at 2.8 @1.55

boots into memtest all the way to 3.0ghz though

[lead]

so how about the dual core 165 1.8 gig versions what kinda of o/c can you expect of them.If I am upgrading I want multi-tasking and would like the best of both worlds.

[Coolme]

mine looks like it will struggle to prime/ superpi at 2.8 @1.55

boots into memtest all the way to 3.0ghz though

You have the 144 right? Did you under volt it yet? What's your memory running at? (1:1?)

[itsyours]

so how about the dual core 165 1.8 gig versions what kinda of o/c can you expect of them.If I am upgrading I want multi-tasking and would like the best of both worlds.
2.5 Ghz, other OCers said.
I wanted the 165 too but judging from OC results I bought the 146.
Reselling it next year when something hotter comes along will be easier, I thought.

[Canadianpsycho]

mine looks like it will struggle to prime/ superpi at 2.8 @1.55

boots into memtest all the way to 3.0ghz though

200 MHz difference? You sure it isn't RAM timings or voltage/cooling?

[coomar]

right now i'm priming at 2.4 GHz @1.4 volts

i get the feeling i'm going to have to reinstall windows anyways

[kaddy69]

right now i'm priming at 2.4 GHz @1.4 volts

i get the feeling i'm going to have to reinstall windows anyways

what CPU do you have?

[lead]

2.5 Ghz, other OCers said.
I wanted the 165 too but judging from OC results I bought the 146.
Resaling it next year when something hotter comes along will be easier, I thought.


is that a hard to reach speed for 165 does it need good cooling for it. If not for under 400 thats like just under a dual ATHLON 64 FX-55 isn't it.

[importpsycho]

right now i'm priming at 2.4 GHz @1.4 volts

i get the feeling i'm going to have to reinstall windows anyways


how long did it take for yours to arrive?

[Reggin]

Has anyone heard anything about NCIX getting stock of this??

!

[importpsycho]

everyone who ordered from Tankguys, and getting monday shippment.
did they email you a shipping info? tracking etc...
last email I got is on sunday saying it's ready to ship
I dont know if it's been shipped or not...

[gewain]

I emailed them for tracking and they explained that they don't get it for Canadian orders and that it can take from 4 days to 4 weeks depending on customs. They seem pretty up front about stuff and get back to you pretty fast if you contact them at the top right hand side of their page. Seem like a pretty good bunch all in all. I'm still waiting for mine from Monday shipping. Let us know when yours turns up.

everyone who ordered from Tankguys, and getting monday shippment.
did they email you a shipping info? tracking etc...
last email I got is on sunday saying it's ready to ship
I dont know if it's been shipped or not...

[Reggin]

I emailed them for tracking and they explained that they don't get it for Canadian orders and that it can take from 4 days to 4 weeks depending on customs. They seem pretty up front about stuff and get back to you pretty fast if you contact them at the top right hand side of their page. Seem like a pretty good bunch all in all. I'm still waiting for mine from Monday shipping. Let us know when yours turns up.


*sigh*... More ignorant Americans... CANADIAN CUSTOMS DOESN'T HOLD PARCELS UNLESS THEY'RE ILLEGAL IMPORTS! They electronically apply duty, and if an officer thinks you've undervalued a package, etc, they will examine it, taking all of an extra few minutes for the examination and possible re-evaluation..

[rahzel]

Has anyone heard anything about NCIX getting stock of this??

!
still no word on the 146's but they should be getting some 144's by the end of this week.

[kaddy69]

how long did it take for yours to arrive?

This one is not an Opteron, it's a venice!

kaddy69

[MtX]

*sigh*... More ignorant Americans... CANADIAN CUSTOMS DOESN'T HOLD PARCELS UNLESS THEY'RE ILLEGAL IMPORTS! They electronically apply duty, and if an officer thinks you've undervalued a package, etc, they will examine it, taking all of an extra few minutes for the examination and possible re-evaluation..

LOL they take longer than just a few minutes.. everytime i've been charged customs for any given item, it's been an extra 3-5 days in wait.

[Reggin]

LOL they take longer than just a few minutes.. everytime i've been charged customs for any given item, it's been an extra 3-5 days in wait.
:rolleyes:

[deactivated1245]

Will these processors become cheaper and more easily available, or is this a bit of an accident on the part of AMD? I'm sure they didn't mean for everyone to buy these instead of the high-end Athlon processors, but what can they do?

I'm just wondering if I can afford to wait to order/buy one of these or if this one of those opportunities that doesn't come around very often. I'm in the market for a 939 processor, but these seem to be too hard to get or over-priced if they are available. As a gamer, would I notice much difference between the Venice core 3200+ and an Opteron 146?

Any opinions are appreciated!

[randomdef]

*sigh*... More ignorant Americans... CANADIAN CUSTOMS DOESN'T HOLD PARCELS UNLESS THEY'RE ILLEGAL IMPORTS! They electronically apply duty, and if an officer thinks you've undervalued a package, etc, they will examine it, taking all of an extra few minutes for the examination and possible re-evaluation..

you are a moron. i've had packages held for many reasons, many reasons that they never say why but it sits and sits and sits and is then released.

[Payne3d]

Reggin probably works at the customs as a lazy, fat ass, muffin stuffin' pompous jackass.
I :heart: Reggin.

[importpsycho]

Will these processors become cheaper and more easily available, or is this a bit of an accident on the part of AMD? I'm sure they didn't mean for everyone to buy these instead of the high-end Athlon processors, but what can they do?

I'm just wondering if I can afford to wait to order/buy one of these or if this one of those opportunities that doesn't come around very often. I'm in the market for a 939 processor, but these seem to be too hard to get or over-priced if they are available. As a gamer, would I notice much difference between the Venice core 3200+ and an Opteron 146?

Any opinions are appreciated!


if you want to buy new one, order now
otherwise, keep your eyes on FS forums, near or after chrismas, ppl will need money lol....

as for game performance, google for venice vs fx-57 or fx-55
overclocked opteron to 2.8ghz is basically fx-57

[coomar]

11/04/2005 Order Shipped Phillip-

Your CAB2E Opteron will be shipped this morning via USPS. If we can get a tracking number from them we will pass it on.
Thanks for choosing TankGuys!!
11/04/2005 Order Shipped Phillip-

Your USPS tracking number is CP03 6769 444U S. Just so you know it may not register in their system immediately due to its international designation.

Thanks

4-10 Days USPS, it came on the 21st

34 dollar CAN customs

[Torell]

UPDATE: from tankguys on anandtech forums
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=28&threadid=1738124&enterthread=y

I just got off the phone with one of my distributor reps, and he said he spoke with an AMD field rep about the 1XX opterons.

He said the AMD guy told him that there will indeed be no more shipments through retailers or distributors. Only full systems integrators will get them from now on, for us in pre-built high end server configurations.

The reasoning, so the story goes, is that AMD is pushing for the deliniation between product lines, and they want A64's filling the desktop role, and Opterons filling the server role, PERIOD. Thus, they will only ship to parties who plan to build the opterons into actual servers.

While this still confuses me (i.e. if you want them as servers, why release on the 939 platform?) it's the best information I have up to this point, and does explain why *none* of the distributors have anymore of these, and why thier previously scheduled shipments have failed to appear.

I still can't say for absolute sure that this is definitely going to happen, but all signs are pointing that way now. I'll keep you guys up to date when/if I hear more as well.



if anyone is still looking, monarch still has some, and they are in stock

[Torell]

NCIX.com just got stock today

http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=16440&vpn=OSA144BNBOX&manufacture=AMD
limit one per customer
Opteron 144 $182.40 CDN

http://www.tankguys.biz/opteron-cache-socket-cabye-0540-p-1420.html
limit one per customer
Opteron 146 $200 US
guaranteed to be CABYE 0540 stepping

good luck!

[itsyours]

Too expensive! Venice OC not bad either, only a couple hundreds Mhz lower and run cooler.

[deactivated1245]

NCIX.com just got stock today

http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=16440&vpn=OSA144BNBOX&manufacture=AMD
limit one per customer
Opteron 144 $182.40 CDN

http://www.tankguys.biz/opteron-cache-socket-cabye-0540-p-1420.html
limit one per customer
Opteron 146 $200 US
guaranteed to be CABYE 0540 stepping

good luck!

hmm, I ordered an Opteron 144.. hope the stepping on it is decent. I don't know if my RAM can handle overclocking, but it should be a decent processor regardless.

I hope..

[rahzel]

Too expensive! Venice OC not bad either, only a couple hundreds Mhz lower and run cooler.
Opterons have the potential to overclock 400mhz faster, or more. thats a pretty big difference IMO...

kjvandenberg, can you please post what steppings you get (you're buying from NCIX right?)

[Haz]

hmm, I ordered an Opteron 144.. hope the stepping on it is decent. I don't know if my RAM can handle overclocking, but it should be a decent processor regardless.

I hope..Just got mine. It's CABNE 0544EPMW.

[rahzel]

Just got mine. It's CABNE 0544EPMW.
from NCIX?

[LordAnubis]

from NCIX?

If that is true have to place an order quickly.

[Torell]

same, i might order another

[MtX]

same, i might order another

hmm, its a CABNE ive never seen before..time to google it up to see how well they clock.. for now, i will order one just incase it turns out good :P

[Haz]

from NCIX?
Yeah.

[MtX]

Quick search on Google shows no results for CABNE 0544EPMW... test the CPU out and let us know if it's worth it :)

[Haz]

Quick search on Google shows no results for CABNE 0544EPMW... test the CPU out and let us know if it's worth it :)I can't wait to get this sucker up and running! Unfortunately, I don't think my A8V Deluxe Rev2 can go anything past 250 but I'll try this weekend!

http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/3219/o144017ov.th.jpg (http://img374.imageshack.us/my.php?image=o144017ov.jpg)

[kaddy69]

I can't wait to get this sucker up and running! Unfortunately, I don't think my A8V Deluxe Rev2 can go anything past 250 but I'll try this weekend!

http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/3219/o144017ov.th.jpg (http://img374.imageshack.us/my.php?image=o144017ov.jpg)


Show your results when you can. I might order one if there good OC's.

kaddy69

[MtX]

Show your results when you can. I might order one if there good OC's.

kaddy69

Heh I ordered one just incase, don't want to end up losing a good opportunity.. anyone know when's the deadline for cancelling an order?

[Haz]

Show your results when you can. I might order one if there good OC's.

kaddy69
I suggest you get it now! There's a good chance it'll sell out this weekend! AMD's gonna be watching this thing closely since these CPUs aren't really meant for end-users like us!

Actually, forget ordering online! Call them so you can verify you can get one! They're open for another hour or so!

[guest3721]

I notice that they also have the 148 for $307. How much faster is this than the 144 and oc capabilities?

Should we even bother considering this one?

I'm very close to making an order now on the 144. Please respond fast, lol.

[Haz]

I notice that they also have the 148 for $307. How much faster is this than the 144 and oc capabilities?

Should we even bother considering this one?

I'm very close to making an order now on the 144. Please respond fast, lol.
Check this link out. (http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=888001) Not a big differnce but that really depends on a lot of variables though.

[guest3721]

Check out my order so far, what do you guys think? They should be getting in the BFG GeForce 7800GT video card alone next week so I'm going to get them to pricematch with Anitec.

Decided to go with the DFI LANParty UT NF4 ULTRA-D Motherboard for OC purposes, should I bother considering the SLI version for a bit more (DFI LANParty UT NF4 SLI-D Motherboard ATX S939 NFORCE4 SLI DDR 2PCI-E16 SATA Sound 2GBLAN 1394 for $205) ? Also going with their kickass 580W powersupply on sale 40% off and the Antec P180 ATX Advanced Mid Tower Aluminum Case.

All this with $6 flat rate shipping too! If they can deliver it all, Christmas will be coming early for me :)



--------------------------------------------------
AMD Opteron 144 Processor S939 Venus 1.8GHZ 1MB L2 Cache 90NM 64BIT Retail Box *Limit 1 Per Cust*
In Stock 16440 $182.40 $182.40
--------------------------------------------------
Seagate Barracuda 7200.8 250GB SATA W/ NCQ 7200RPM 8MB 8MS Hard Drive 5 Year MFR Warranty
In Stock 13631 $135.55 $135.55
---------------------------------------------------
BFG GeForce 7800GT 256MB 256BIT GDDR3 PCI-E Dual DVI-I HDTV VIVO SLI Ready Video Card
2-5 Business Days 15842 $463.30 $463.30
*****************
Price Match request for the above item
Competitor's price: $389.95, source url: http://www.anitec.ca/?mode=product_detail&mpid=2629&pid=4298
Please read our Price Match terms & conditions for details.
$389.95 $389.95
----------------------------------------------------
DFI LANParty UT NF4 ULTRA-D Motherboard ATX S939 NFORCE4 Ultra DDR 2PCI-E16 SATA RAID Sound LAN 1394
In Stock 13825 $154.43 $154.43
-----------------------------------------------------
Hiper Type R 580W ATX12V V2 24/20 Pin Black Power Supply 120MM Blue LED PCI-E W/ Detachable Cable
In Stock 15935 $99.99 $99.99
-------------------------------------------------------
Antec P180 ATX Advanced Mid Tower Aluminum Case 4X5.25 1X3.5 6X3.5INT No PS W/ USB & Audio Ports
In Stock 15126 $149.98 $149.98
-------------------------------------------------------
APACER MGA20 MEGA STENO 14 IN 1 CARD Reader USB2.0
In Stock 14197 $12.99 $12.99

[guest3721]

Thanks Haz! I'm going to put the order through for the 144. At this price, you can't lose.

[Haz]

Check out my order so far, this kicks ass! What do you guys think? They should be getting in the BFG GeForce 7800GT video card alone next week so I'm going to get them to pricematch with Anitec. Decided to go with the DFI LANParty UT NF4 ULTRA-D Motherboard for OC purposes, should I bother considering the SLI version for $70 more for future upgrading options when the cards go way down in price? Also going with their kickass 580W powersupply on sale 40% off and the Antec P180 ATX Advanced Mid Tower Aluminum Case.

All this with $6 flat rate shipping too! If they can deliver it all, Christmas will be coming early for me :)

Awesome system! Now where's the RAM? :lol:

[kaddy69]

Check out my order so far, this kicks ass! What do you guys think? They should be getting in the BFG GeForce 7800GT video card alone next week so I'm going to get them to pricematch with Anitec. Decided to go with the DFI LANParty UT NF4 ULTRA-D Motherboard for OC purposes, should I bother considering the SLI version for $70 more for future upgrading options when the cards go way down in price? Also going with their kickass 580W powersupply on sale 40% off and the Antec P180 ATX Advanced Mid Tower Aluminum Case.

All this with $6 flat rate shipping too! If they can deliver it all, Christmas will be coming early for me :)




I'm not sure If I trust those Hiper Type R PSU. I always figure it's best to OCZ, Enermax, Seasonic, Fortron.

I just ordered a P180. You better research the PSU and find the length of those cables. You need a Psu with long cables for the P180.

A power supply like a OCZ Modstream doesn't have long enough cables for the P180.

[guest3721]

Good question :) Actually, I already have 4 sticks of 512mb DDR PC2700 ram from my existing system which I'm going to transfer over, then just chuck in a 512 for the old system for Internetting.

PC2700 should suffice right? It's not the fastest but I don't feel like spending a fortune to replace the 2 Gigs of ram I already have.

[guest3721]

"I'm not sure If I trust those Hiper Type R PSU. I always figure it's best to OCZ, Enermax, Seasonic, Fortron.

I just ordered a P180. You better research the PSU and find the length of those cables. You need a Psu with long cables for the P180.

A power supply like a OCZ Modstream doesn't have long enough cables for the P180."

Thanks for the head-up. I'll spend the rest of tonight researching and will probably put the order through tomorrow.

[Haz]

PC2700 should suffice right? It's not the fastest but I don't feel like spending a fortune to replace the 2 Gigs of ram I already have.
Hm... I don't know about PC2700 RAM.
I'm not sure If I trust those Hiper Type R PSU. I always figure it's best to OCZ, Enermax, Seasonic, Fortron.
The Hiper Type R PSUs look nice. I'm trying to decide which PSU to use myself. I currently have an old Enermax EG-465VE-P, Antec True550 and an XG Vigor 450.

[j_hurlbert]

"I'm not sure If I trust those Hiper Type R PSU. I always figure it's best to OCZ, Enermax, Seasonic, Fortron.

I just ordered a P180. You better research the PSU and find the length of those cables. You need a Psu with long cables for the P180.

A power supply like a OCZ Modstream doesn't have long enough cables for the P180."

Thanks for the head-up. I'll spend the rest of tonight researching and will probably put the order through tomorrow.


I just ordered the Hiper type PSU after researching and reading several reviews on it. Seems to be a solid unit.

[kaddy69]

I just ordered the Hiper type PSU after researching and reading several reviews on it. Seems to be a solid unit.

But's he's ordering a P180 and he must also make sure the cable lengths are long enough. That's one of the draw backs of the P180.

NCIX has a good price on it $99. I believe in buying what's proven to work. It has a nice case with it and it's looks good. Enermax's don't look great, but there one of the best PSU on the market, maybe the best.

kaddy69

[j_hurlbert]

I think the Hiper type has extension cables for the individual cables but, you're right, with that case cable length could be an issue.

[guest3721]

I think the Hiper type has extension cables for the individual cables but, you're right, with that case cable length could be an issue.

Alright, I did a bit of research on the Psu's with the Antec P180 case, and it looks like the hiper psu may come up a bit short with this case because the psu is situated at the bottom of the case, rather than the top like most cases. The Hiper type does not come with the ATX extension cables, as I've read several people had to buy them separately to make it work.

So there is a workaround if you're able to find a power supply extension cable. I happened to found one in Ottawa at Pccyber.com; 10" ATX Power Supply Extension M/F for $5.16 which will do the trick. Also found one in the Toronto area but more expensive, around $10.

You can also go with a solid psu such as the

Enermax All In One 535W ATX12V V2.0 20/24 Pin Power Supply W/ PCI-E SLI Ready (http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=15772&vpn=EG565P-VE%20FMA%20(24%20PIN)&manufacture=ENERMAX)

IT works well with this case, the cables are long enough, just not as pretty.

Right now I'm leaning towards the Hiper w/ the extension. This psu has had good reviews all around and $100 is a great price for it.

[kaddy69]

I think the Hiper type has extension cables for the individual cables but, you're right, with that case cable length could be an issue.

That's exactly what I'm saying. Especially with moddular cables (Hiper Type, modstream, etc), they tend to be shorter.

[kaddy69]

HAZ, what's up with the CPU?

kaddy69

[Haz]

HAZ, what's up with the CPU?

kaddy69
I'm still at work here... :( 6:45pm and we have a company dinner @ 7:30pm... I don't think I'll even be able to crack open the box till Sunday! Gotta spend time with the gf on Saturday... The real one, not the Opteron.

[kaddy69]

I'm still at work here... :( 6:45pm and we have a company dinner @ 7:30pm... I don't think I'll even be able to crack open the box till Sunday! Gotta spend time with the gf on Saturday... The real one, not the Opteron.

I hear yeah there. I don't have time to over clock myself :lol: Since my last upgrade 6 weeks ago, I haven't had the time to do anything. I'm just building a nice system to OC in the future :D.

Here's what I have to work with:

DFI Ultra-D NF4
1Gb(2x512) OCZ Rev 2 Plat (TCCD)
Venice 3000+

I haven't had any spare time. lol, I just got married last weekend. I'm hoping in January, I have more free time :lol: :lol: :lol:

I have an opteron 146 on the way CAB2E and I haven't even oc'd my venice!

[Haz]

I hear yeah there. I don't have time to over clock myself :lol: Since my last upgrade 6 weeks ago, I haven't had the time to do anything. I'm just building a nice system to OC in the future :D.

Here's what I have to work with:

DFI Ultra-D NF4
1Gb(2x512) OCZ Rev 2 Plat (TCCD)
Venice 3000+

I haven't had any spare time. lol, I just got married last weekend. I'm hoping in January, I have more free time :lol: :lol: :lol:

I have an opteron 146 on the way CAB2E and I haven't even oc'd my venice!
7:25pm and we're still in the office! Argh! I feel like a kid with a new toy in my hands that I can't open till Christmas Day! At least you have a better system to work with. This is a CPU / mobo upgrade for me. It's gonna be:

Opteron 144 S939
Asus A8V Deluxe Rev2
2 x 512MB Samsung PC3200

[rahzel]

i just ordered one.

by the steppings, these are new CABNE's and i cant seem to find any results yet. I'm hoping theyre as good as CABYE or the old CABNE's or this is just going to be a waste of money for me (upgrading from a Venice 3200+ that can do 2.6Ghz max).

[deactivated1245]

Opterons have the potential to overclock 400mhz faster, or more. thats a pretty big difference IMO...

kjvandenberg, can you please post what steppings you get (you're buying from NCIX right?)

Apparently I'm getting a CABNE 0544x. From what I've read the CABNE's are good, but I think I'm only looking to get 2.4ghz, so I'm not overly concerned.

[deactivated1245]

the old CABNE's were goood, but no one knows how good the new ones are.

if you're only aiming at 2.4ghz, you were better off just getting a venice 3000 for cheaper.

There's no guarantee on overclocking the venice cores either, and the 3000+ has basically been phased out anyway. Besides, having double the L2 cache on the Opteron is more important to me than how much I can overclock it.

The only reason I probably won't overclock more is that I currently just have some regular PC3200 DDR and I don't think it'll go much over 400mhz.

[deactivated1245]

Well, I figured since the processor is 9x200, if I run a divider ratio of 3:4, I should be able to run 9x267 and keep my RAM at stock (400mhz) speeds. Doing that would give me 2.4ghz, which I should be able to do without adjusting voltages or changing my cooling.

I'm a total newbie to overclocking, so if you have any advice for me.. please send me a PM

Besides, since I bought the Opteron, it's a bit late to decide on a 3000+ now :P

[importpsycho]

where is NICX's 146?
and whatever happened to OEMs?

[kaddy69]

where is NICX's 146?
and whatever happened to OEMs?

CANADA!! We always get shafted!! Don't you have an opteron 146 from tankguys?

[importpsycho]

CANADA!! We always get shafted!! Don't you have an opteron 146 from tankguys?

still waiting
I ordered OEM 146 when NCIX they were taking pre orders..
looks like OEMs aren't even going to come

[kaddy69]

still waiting
I ordered OEM 146 when NCIX they were taking pre orders..
looks like OEMs aren't even going to come

Your best bet is tankguys if you want one. My 146 should be here for next week.

[YorkU]

still waiting
I ordered OEM 146 when NCIX they were taking pre orders..
looks like OEMs aren't even going to come

there is no eta, individual orders only, im still waiting... and sending them emails, they say - a few weeks, well... Im no longer sure

[Sgt_Strider]

I checked their site and the retail version is out.

[Torell]

just to let you know, you can mod the ultra-d to an SLI-d no problems
i'm planning on doing that to mine

Check out my order so far, what do you guys think? They should be getting in the BFG GeForce 7800GT video card alone next week so I'm going to get them to pricematch with Anitec.

Decided to go with the DFI LANParty UT NF4 ULTRA-D Motherboard for OC purposes, should I bother considering the SLI version for a bit more (DFI LANParty UT NF4 SLI-D Motherboard ATX S939 NFORCE4 SLI DDR 2PCI-E16 SATA Sound 2GBLAN 1394 for $205) ? Also going with their kickass 580W powersupply on sale 40% off and the Antec P180 ATX Advanced Mid Tower Aluminum Case.

All this with $6 flat rate shipping too! If they can deliver it all, Christmas will be coming early for me :)



--------------------------------------------------
AMD Opteron 144 Processor S939 Venus 1.8GHZ 1MB L2 Cache 90NM 64BIT Retail Box *Limit 1 Per Cust*
In Stock 16440 $182.40 $182.40
--------------------------------------------------
Seagate Barracuda 7200.8 250GB SATA W/ NCQ 7200RPM 8MB 8MS Hard Drive 5 Year MFR Warranty
In Stock 13631 $135.55 $135.55
---------------------------------------------------
BFG GeForce 7800GT 256MB 256BIT GDDR3 PCI-E Dual DVI-I HDTV VIVO SLI Ready Video Card
2-5 Business Days 15842 $463.30 $463.30
*****************
Price Match request for the above item
Competitor's price: $389.95, source url: http://www.anitec.ca/?mode=product_detail&mpid=2629&pid=4298
Please read our Price Match terms & conditions for details.
$389.95 $389.95
----------------------------------------------------
DFI LANParty UT NF4 ULTRA-D Motherboard ATX S939 NFORCE4 Ultra DDR 2PCI-E16 SATA RAID Sound LAN 1394
In Stock 13825 $154.43 $154.43
-----------------------------------------------------
Hiper Type R 580W ATX12V V2 24/20 Pin Black Power Supply 120MM Blue LED PCI-E W/ Detachable Cable
In Stock 15935 $99.99 $99.99
-------------------------------------------------------
Antec P180 ATX Advanced Mid Tower Aluminum Case 4X5.25 1X3.5 6X3.5INT No PS W/ USB & Audio Ports
In Stock 15126 $149.98 $149.98
-------------------------------------------------------
APACER MGA20 MEGA STENO 14 IN 1 CARD Reader USB2.0
In Stock 14197 $12.99 $12.99

[Torell]

funny, cuz i'm going to be overclocking the exact same setup, even the stepping is the same ;)

I hear yeah there. I don't have time to over clock myself :lol: Since my last upgrade 6 weeks ago, I haven't had the time to do anything. I'm just building a nice system to OC in the future :D.

Here's what I have to work with:

DFI Ultra-D NF4
1Gb(2x512) OCZ Rev 2 Plat (TCCD)
Venice 3000+

I haven't had any spare time. lol, I just got married last weekend. I'm hoping in January, I have more free time :lol: :lol: :lol:

I have an opteron 146 on the way CAB2E and I haven't even oc'd my venice!

edit: alright just ordered from NCIX the 144 while i'm waiting for my 146, bought it for my cousin, we'll see how things go on his soon to come asrock dual939

cheers everyone

[spol]

you guys already know NCIX got the 144 in stock for $182

[guest3721]

Someone pls post results, it'd be much appeciated :)

[Torell]

you guys already know NCIX got the 144 in stock for $182

is this a question?
because ncix's status on this product is "in stock"

[LordAnubis]

you guys already know NCIX got the 144 in stock for $182

It's only $168.40 with premier partner. Ordered and shipped yesterday, have to wait till monday. :cheesygri

[Haz]

Whoa! Just got up and noticed only 17 left of the Opteron 144 @ NCIX!

Damn... Gotta go out today with the gf! When, oh, when can I finally put it in?! If I'm lucky, you guys with get some test results tonight.

[itsyours]

Whoa! Just got up and noticed only 17 left of the Opteron 144 @ NCIX!

Damn... Gotta go out today with the gf! When, oh, when can I finally put it in?! If I'm lucky, you guys with get some test results tonight.
Didn't see anything. Where can you tell it's 17 left?

[spol]

premier partner.

Whats that?

[alpha_tot]

Didn't see anything. Where can you tell it's 17 left?
theres a check stock button...

Has anyone tried getting a PM from NCIX with places that are OOS? Its $172 for the box here: http://www.shoprbc.com/ca/shop/product_details.php?pid=13531&cid=385 ...if you could get a PM and get 4.99 shipping from NCIX, that would be pretty hot.

[deactivated1245]

Whats that?

I had to look it up too, apparently it's a reseller's membership (costs $150/year) that gives you special prices. I'm not sure if you need to prove that you're a reseller, but I suppose $150/yr for the average person wouldn't be worth it anyway.

[Torell]

ncix.com 13 left

[Coolme]

Check out my order so far, what do you guys think? They should be getting in the BFG GeForce 7800GT video card alone next week so I'm going to get them to pricematch with Anitec.

Decided to go with the DFI LANParty UT NF4 ULTRA-D Motherboard for OC purposes, should I bother considering the SLI version for a bit more (DFI LANParty UT NF4 SLI-D Motherboard ATX S939 NFORCE4 SLI DDR 2PCI-E16 SATA Sound 2GBLAN 1394 for $205) ? Also going with their kickass 580W powersupply on sale 40% off and the Antec P180 ATX Advanced Mid Tower Aluminum Case.

All this with $6 flat rate shipping too! If they can deliver it all, Christmas will be coming early for me :)



--------------------------------------------------
AMD Opteron 144 Processor S939 Venus 1.8GHZ 1MB L2 Cache 90NM 64BIT Retail Box *Limit 1 Per Cust*
In Stock 16440 $182.40 $182.40
--------------------------------------------------
Seagate Barracuda 7200.8 250GB SATA W/ NCQ 7200RPM 8MB 8MS Hard Drive 5 Year MFR Warranty
In Stock 13631 $135.55 $135.55
---------------------------------------------------
BFG GeForce 7800GT 256MB 256BIT GDDR3 PCI-E Dual DVI-I HDTV VIVO SLI Ready Video Card
2-5 Business Days 15842 $463.30 $463.30
*****************
Price Match request for the above item
Competitor's price: $389.95, source url: http://www.anitec.ca/?mode=product_detail&mpid=2629&pid=4298
Please read our Price Match terms & conditions for details.
$389.95 $389.95
----------------------------------------------------
DFI LANParty UT NF4 ULTRA-D Motherboard ATX S939 NFORCE4 Ultra DDR 2PCI-E16 SATA RAID Sound LAN 1394
In Stock 13825 $154.43 $154.43
-----------------------------------------------------
Hiper Type R 580W ATX12V V2 24/20 Pin Black Power Supply 120MM Blue LED PCI-E W/ Detachable Cable
In Stock 15935 $99.99 $99.99
-------------------------------------------------------
Antec P180 ATX Advanced Mid Tower Aluminum Case 4X5.25 1X3.5 6X3.5INT No PS W/ USB & Audio Ports
In Stock 15126 $149.98 $149.98
-------------------------------------------------------
APACER MGA20 MEGA STENO 14 IN 1 CARD Reader USB2.0
In Stock 14197 $12.99 $12.99

If HDD noise isn't an issue for you, I'd go with this drive: http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=15247&vpn=6L250R0&manufacture=Maxtor

16 mb of cache.

[coomar]

CAB2E Opteron 144 (tankguys)
DFI NF4 Ultra-D
Mushkin PC3500 BH5
Enermax 485W PSU
XP-120

2.5 at stock voltage- passes prime95 small ffts 8 hours
2.6 at 1.5 passes prime95 small ffts 8 hours
2.7 at 1.55 fails prime95 slightly under 30 minutes

the chip is very sensitive to memory timings, the ram still passes in memtest but fails superpi/prime95, since the chip will boot into windows upto about 2.9ghz and play games, its possible i'll be able to get a better overclock

for some reason this chip at least from the sensors runs very, very cool
at load (sub 50) but idles around 38 degrees

another guy with the same chip reported about the same CAB2E is very hit or miss (misses seem to be around what i get, hits are 3ghz)

i have a CABYE 0540 coming from tankguys this week, its supposedly to be one the best steppings

i'll be selling 2 out of the 3 chips (i have a venice 0519 that does 2.6@1.48, 2.7@1.58)

[guest3721]

any results from the latest ncix batch? thx.

[importpsycho]

CAB2E Opteron 144 (tankguys)
DFI NF4 Ultra-D
Mushkin PC3500 BH5
Enermax 485W PSU
XP-120

2.5 at stock voltage- passes prime95 small ffts 8 hours
2.6 at 1.5 passes prime95 small ffts 8 hours
2.7 at 1.55 fails prime95 slightly under 30 minutes

the chip is very sensitive to memory timings, the ram still passes in memtest but fails superpi/prime95, since the chip will boot into windows upto about 2.9ghz and play games, its possible i'll be able to get a better overclock

for some reason this chip at least from the sensors runs very, very cool
at load (sub 50) but idles around 38 degrees

another guy with the same chip reported about the same CAB2E is very hit or miss (misses seem to be around what i get, hits are 3ghz)

i have a CABYE 0540 coming from tankguys this week, its supposedly to be one the best steppings

i'll be selling 2 out of the 3 chips (i have a venice 0519 that does 2.6@1.48, 2.7@1.58)

CABYE, did they get a new shippment this week or is that one from last shipment?

[kaddy69]

CABYE, did they get a new shippment this week or is that one from last shipment?

They did have some CABYE's in stock, but there sold out. I have a CAB2E coming next week, I'm crossing my fingers. I'm really wanting to hit 3ghz. There still nice chips for the price.

kaddy69

[Torell]

NCIX.com just got stock today

http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=16440&vpn=OSA144BNBOX&manufacture=AMD
limit one per customer
Opteron 144 $182.40 CDN

http://www.tankguys.biz/opteron-cache-socket-cabye-0540-p-1420.html
limit one per customer
Opteron 146 $200 US
guaranteed to be CABYE 0540 stepping

good luck!

the day i posted this nov 25th, tankguys got a shipment of cabye
they also explained the pricing increase, sold out in a day

[archaeo]

JAVGUY -

I'm not sure I'd go for that Hiper p/s - there's very little information on it's quality, and the reviews in english are from second tier sites. As well, I've read that it has fairly short 24 pin power connector, which might make it difficult w/ the P180.

Really, the best p/s NCIX has is the seasonic 600 watt (which you should be able to pricematch w/ i think frontierpc or premier computer has them for cheap) - however it also has cables that are a bit short. NCIX sells an ATX extender kit though.

Other than that, the truepower II's are long enough; and the antec neo 550 is supposed to be pretty good.

There's one good review of the Hiper type R - but its in french.
hiper french (http://www.matbe.com/articles/lire/166/hiper-type-r-580-watts-modulaire/page10.php) - says that the supply is pretty noisy under load, but, on the plus side, seems solid for power output.

actually, the truepower 480 which is also on sale would be fine for what you have listed...

[importpsycho]

TD has both 144 and 146 in stock

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1649691&CatId=2040

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1649706&CatId=2040

i wonder if they'll do PM with NCIX... cuz price is kinda going through the roof

[itsyours]

If TD has it. Someone else will have it too.

[kaddy69]

I just ordered a 144 from NCIX.com, the are almost out of stock.

kaddy69

[Haz]

If TD has it. Someone else will have it too.Someone else meaning another American e-tailer? I don't see any other Canadian companies getting them before January.

[bug]

It looks like TD has all of the 939 opterons in stock, but more expensive than anywhere else. CLICK HERE (http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/Category/category_slc.asp?page=1&Nav=|c:22||c:1946||c:2040|&Sort=0&Recs=10)

[spol]

here is a better search result for opterons at TD:


OEM (http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/search.asp?keywords=&lowprice=0&highprice=0&mnf=0&cat=2049&priceStr=0&key=&image12.x=14&image12.y=11)

Retail (http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/search.asp?keywords=&lowprice=0&highprice=0&mnf=0&cat=2041&priceStr=0&key=&image12.x=6&image12.y=9)





.

[Torell]

ncix.com 5 left

[RideGuy]

It looks like TD has all of the 939 opterons in stock, but more expensive than anywhere else. CLICK HERE (http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/Category/category_slc.asp?page=1&Nav=|c:22||c:1946||c:2040|&Sort=0&Recs=10)
If their MIRs weren't enough to stop people from shopping there, this will definitely do them in. I'll wait till January before I give into this price gouging.

[sienna]

ncix.com 5 left

SOLDOUT!!

[Haz]

SOLDOUT!!Not quite yet:

Burnaby 1
Vancouver 2
Richmond 1

If you live in the GVR and want one, now's the time to hop in your car! :)

[Torell]

Burnaby 1
Vancouver
Richmond 1

two left

i wonder if we have any influence on the numbers ;)

[rahzel]

they better have saved one for me... i ordered friday when there was 17 left and the only thing thats left on my order status is the shipping part. maybe its just being delayed because i told them to leave something out of my order.

btw, have you had a chance to play around with your opty Haz?

[itsyours]

SOLDOUT!!
Given the relative low stock that lasted a few days, it's not quite a hot product for NCIX. The only thing holding me is the lower multiflier.

[Haz]

Seems to me there's always a few people reading this thread. I'm sure a couple of them have called NCIX to confirm before driving down to the stores. ;)

[Haz]

they better have saved one for me... i ordered friday when there was 17 left and the only thing thats left on my order status is the shipping part. maybe its just being delayed because i told them to leave something out of my order.Call me paranoid but I'd give them a call to confirm one is indeed on hold for you.
btw, have you had a chance to play around with your opty Haz?Not a chance. It's still sealed! Gonna try to squeeze some time tonight. It's killing me not having the time to play with it!
Given the relative low stock that lasted a few days, it's not quite a hot product for NCIX. The only thing holding me is the lower multiflier.I originally wanted the 146 for the 10x multiplier but I simply couldn't wait. Almost bought a 3000+ while waiting!

[itsyours]

Haz, You owe us a mini review. :)

[Torell]

i hate/love how this chip made me buy a new setup
i've got the 144 from ncix coming as well as the 146 from tankguys
i might even try the dual core opterons :cheesygri

[kaddy69]

Does anyone know how the steppings from NCIX.com OC?

[Torell]

no, nobody seems to know
and we're all waiting for Haz

[Rea1m]

Just got home and had mine waiting for me. I ordered on Nov. 25 (from NCIX) and it IS a CABNE. Isn't this the best one to have?

[rahzel]

Just got home and had mine waiting for me. I ordered on Nov. 25 (from NCIX) and it IS a CABNE. Isn't this the best one to have?
the older CABNE's were good, but NCIX's stock is CABNE 0544 (2005, week 44) which is the newest steppings.

my guess is, they wont be as good as the old CABNE's but hopefully they will =].

[MtX]

Just got home and had mine waiting for me. I ordered on Nov. 25 (from NCIX) and it IS a CABNE. Isn't this the best one to have?

That fast? I ordered mine on 25th and it's not even shipped yet WTF.

[guest3721]

I ended up not ordering the ncix 144 one, didn't want to take a chance on a crappy batch.

I hear that the 146 is more likely to reach the 2.8 - 3.0ghz range than the 144, maybe should consider buying that one from TD, its not that much more. If the chances of getting 2.8 with the 146 is good, then its worth the extra money imo.

AMD Opteron 146 2.0GHz / 1MB Cache / 1000MHz FSB / Socket 939 / Hyper-Transport / Processor (http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1649757&CatId=2049)

[Rea1m]

That fast? I ordered mine on 25th and it's not even shipped yet WTF.

Well I thought I'd be waiting a month for it to come so I opted for the Express shipping.

[MtX]

I ended up not ordering the ncix 144 one, didn't want to take a chance on a crappy batch.

I hear that the 146 is more likely to reach the 2.8 - 3.0ghz range than the 144, maybe should consider buying that one from TD, its not that much more. If the chances of getting 2.8 with the 146 is good, then its worth the extra money imo.

AMD Opteron 146 2.0GHz / 1MB Cache / 1000MHz FSB / Socket 939 / Hyper-Transport / Processor (http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1649757&CatId=2049)

It's probably going to be $90 more for 100-400Mhz that you may or may not get...

[Haz]

Only one left (http://www.ncix.com/checkinventory.php?sku=16440) in Burnaby's NCIX.

[guest3721]

It's probably going to be $90 more for 100-400Mhz that you may or may not get...

TD has the 146 for $242.99 oem, that's about $70 more than the 144 taxes included. Just saying that the 146's have a better chance of hitting 2.8 than the 144's no?

[alpha_tot]

But TD has the 146 for $242.99 oem, that's only about $50 more than the 144 taxes included. Just saying that the 146's have a better chance of hitting 2.8 than the 144's no?
not necessarily...if you are motherboard limited then yes, but otherwise its a lot more dependent on the stepping than the performance rating. I would take a CABNE 144 over a CABGE 146 at the same price.

[kaddy69]

not necessarily...if you are motherboard limited then yes, but otherwise its a lot more dependent on the stepping than the performance rating. I would take a CABNE 144 over a CABGE 146 at the same price.

Well you assuming that these CABNE's are like the CABNE 0540 or lower. We don't know how these processors will do until someone test them.

I plan to OC my opteron's (146 tankguys nad 144 NCIX), but there just seems to be time. I haven't even oc's my Venice 3000+.

I'm hoping that changes in the next 2 months.

kaddy69

[guest3721]

JAVGUY -

I'm not sure I'd go for that Hiper p/s - there's very little information on it's quality, and the reviews in english are from second tier sites. As well, I've read that it has fairly short 24 pin power connector, which might make it difficult w/ the P180.

Really, the best p/s NCIX has is the seasonic 600 watt (which you should be able to pricematch w/ i think frontierpc or premier computer has them for cheap) - however it also has cables that are a bit short. NCIX sells an ATX extender kit though.

Other than that, the truepower II's are long enough; and the antec neo 550 is supposed to be pretty good.

There's one good review of the Hiper type R - but its in french.
hiper french (http://www.matbe.com/articles/lire/166/hiper-type-r-580-watts-modulaire/page10.php) - says that the supply is pretty noisy under load, but, on the plus side, seems solid for power output.

actually, the truepower 480 which is also on sale would be fine for what you have listed...


Thanks archaeo, I will check that psu out if I decide to buy.

[importpsycho]

i've looked through all the forums and nobody seems to have this, a few who even knows about it are the ones in Canada and through NCIX :confused:

[JayPatel]

i ordered mine from ncix on November 4th and I havent seen anything yet. sucks

[kaddy69]

i ordered mine from ncix on November 4th and I havent seen anything yet. sucks

I have ordered few different opterons from NCIX when they originally had them listed. 144's Retail, 146's OEM.

These order are still sitting on my account. I placed an order for one of the newer retail 144 and it got processed.

I'm not sure what to say to your problem.

kaddy69

[itsyours]

I remmeber Jaypatel pre-ordered one long time ago. OEM still not in yet. I am waiting too.

[Torell]

my 144 is shipped yesterday and will be here today
you guys should probably call and make sure, if you did order the 144 retail, that they gave the first ones to you

[Torell]

From Anandtech price guide article:
With the recent craze about the socket 939 version of the Opteron, the chips have gone out of stock, up in price or both. The Opteron (939) 146 Venus [RTPE: OSA146DAA5BN] is currently in stock at around $200 and the Opteron (939) 144 Venus [RTPE: OSA144DAA5BN] is in stock at around $165. If you are planning to purchase one of these Opterons, do so now while you still can. The 939 version of the Opteron may no longer be available outside of a few gray market channels; we will discuss this in an upcoming article.

http://www.anandtech.com/guides/showdoc.aspx?i=2623&p=6

From Tankguys on OCForums:
Some backup!

Yea they are just impossible to find in the distribution channels now. I've gotten a *trickle* of 144's over the last 2 days (only 5) and that's set to stop. My only big catch of late was that one of my other suppliers snagged the final lot of 165's they got and they're sending them all to us. After that, I think we're done. I'm going nuts trying to find more, but it's just not happening

The most recent explaination I got was that AMD engineers didn't think the 939 opterons would work in most user-grade motherboards. So they did not expect this run on them, or the massive overselling. Obviously they do work in the majority of boards, so it caught AMD with thier pants down. It's been a hit product they never intended.

We'll see what happens in a few months, but for now, they are looking to be end of line unfortunately.

http://www.ocforums.com/showpost.php?p=4135473&postcount=256

[Haz]

From Anandtech price guide article:
With the recent craze about the socket 939 version of the Opteron, the chips have gone out of stock, up in price or both. The Opteron (939) 146 Venus [RTPE: OSA146DAA5BN] is currently in stock at around $200 and the Opteron (939) 144 Venus [RTPE: OSA144DAA5BN] is in stock at around $165. If you are planning to purchase one of these Opterons, do so now while you still can. The 939 version of the Opteron may no longer be available outside of a few gray market channels; we will discuss this in an upcoming article.

http://www.anandtech.com/guides/showdoc.aspx?i=2623&p=6

From Tankguys on OCForums:
Some backup!

Yea they are just impossible to find in the distribution channels now. I've gotten a *trickle* of 144's over the last 2 days (only 5) and that's set to stop. My only big catch of late was that one of my other suppliers snagged the final lot of 165's they got and they're sending them all to us. After that, I think we're done. I'm going nuts trying to find more, but it's just not happening

The most recent explaination I got was that AMD engineers didn't think the 939 opterons would work in most user-grade motherboards. So they did not expect this run on them, or the massive overselling. Obviously they do work in the majority of boards, so it caught AMD with thier pants down. It's been a hit product they never intended.

We'll see what happens in a few months, but for now, they are looking to be end of line unfortunately.

http://www.ocforums.com/showpost.php?p=4135473&postcount=256
That's too bad. I was thinking of grabbing another one come January. Then again, my 144 is still sealed in to box... Stupid snow... Had to change my tires last night...

[spol]

I'm still deciding between 3800+ or 170 from NCIX.

[Rea1m]

Anyone find any word on the new CABNE 0544 yet?

[kaddy69]

Anyone find any word on the new CABNE 0544 yet?


I was going to ask the same question! :cheesygri

[Torell]

i just got the chip, sorry won't be able to test it, since i'm waiting on my pci-e video card

but here are the pics
this will be going in an asrock 939dual
my 146 will be going into a dfi nf4 ultra-d

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/torell/IMG_4718_web.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/torell/IMG_4721.jpg

[MtX]

OK.. so we got a few people who received their Opterons but no one's tested them yet.. come on :mad:

[itsyours]

OK.. so we got a few people who received their Opterons but no one's tested them yet.. come on :mad:
I expect most will get to 2.65 - 2.8 Ghz at around 1.5V on air and none stable at 2.9 Ghz or more.

[coomar]

a lot of CABYE 0540 146's were hitting 2.8 at stock voltage

[Rea1m]

Playing around a little with my 0544 last night. Unfortunatly I've been out of the overclocking game for awhile so it looks like I've got a few new things to learn.

2.2 and 2.3 were both stable, but the prime95 test failed at 2.5. This was on a MSI NEO2 board with OCZ EL 3200 1GB.

My knowledge is somewhat lacking so I'll be reading up on it today and trying it tonight.

[deactivated1245]

If everyone with the CABNE 0544's could post their overclocking results, that'd be great. I'm also a noobie to overclocking, although I've been reading a lot, and any advice is always appreciated.

I'm interested to know what people are getting temperature wise on stock cooling, and what the "safe" temperature limits are.

I hope mine arrives soon!

[nomaansikandar]

if you guys want opertons, I can ask my suppliers. You might be able to save a few bucks on the market rate, but i'll have to charge ya tax and all (and don't forget shipping) ... PM if you guys want some?

[spol]

ncix just got lots of more 170 OEM, the 170 retails are almost gone. Looks like we shouldnt be worry as NCIX is actually gettin lots of opies in time to time.

[kaddy69]

ncix just got lots of more 170 OEM, the 170 retails are almost gone. Looks like we shouldnt be worry as NCIX is actually gettin lots of opies in time to time.

I would buy the retail 170 as it's only $16 more than the OEM's and
it includes a 3 year warranty. You also get a heatsink with the retail version.

[Torell]

i would too, if i had the money...
the 170 aren't of any appealing value to me

[Haz]

Everyone who has an Opteron, please post your results in a new thread here. (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=225128) Thanks and good luck! :)

[coomar]

heatsink has heatpipes as well

[guest3721]

if you guys want opertons, I can ask my suppliers. You might be able to save a few bucks on the market rate, but i'll have to charge ya tax and all (and don't forget shipping) ... PM if you guys want some?

It all depends on the stepping, if its a good one we'll be all over it :)

[YorkU]

I remmeber Jaypatel pre-ordered one long time ago. OEM still not in yet. I am waiting too.
me as well :|

[importpsycho]

2.2 and 2.3 were both stable, but the prime95 test failed at 2.5.



ouch....


anyone got theirs yet from Tankguys?

[kaddy69]

I haven't received mine from tankguys yet???? :(. It's been a week and half. I email them two days ago and they haven't got back to me. The used to reply very quickly! I'm not sure what's going on?????

kaddy69

[Torell]

yeah me neither
mine was shipped on the 21st as well
crossing my fingers for friday

[MtX]

ok WTH, I ordered my 144 from NCIX on the 25th.. still hasnt been shipped yet.. now i look at the site and the new price is $198 and their OOS.. does this mean I won't be getting it until new stock comes AND they will charge my CC the new price? :mad:

[Haz]

ok WTH, I ordered my 144 from NCIX on the 25th.. still hasnt been shipped yet.. now i look at the site and the new price is $198 and their OOS.. does this mean I won't be getting it until new stock comes AND they will charge my CC the new price? :mad:
Either send them a ticket or call them. If you ordered it at the original price, I'm sure they will only charge you the old price.

[weebg]

Just received my 146 CAB2E from Tankguys (ordered Nov 19). Now I'm just waiting for the rest of my parts from NCIX... :cheesygri

[Torell]

when was your shipped, i order onthe 15th
i hate waiting

[duckdown]

what is the BEST stepping?

I know all are good except CABGE, but which are the BEST?

[Torell]

ok i just came home 5:58pm
and the processor was sitting in a box on my door step
it's dark outside, and it's just sitting there
um..... wtf
also it's -5 degrees celcius
is that bad for the processor?

gimme a god damn break, i'm happy that i got my CPU
but even more pissed that someone could have stolen it and nobody would ever know

[MtX]

ok i just came home 5:58pm
and the processor was sitting in a box on my door step
it's dark outside, and it's just sitting there
um..... wtf
also it's -5 degrees celcius
is that bad for the processor?

gimme a god damn break, i'm happy that i got my CPU
but even more pissed that someone could have stolen it and nobody would ever know

At least you didnt have to pay customs..

[Haz]

ok i just came home 5:58pm
and the processor was sitting in a box on my door step
it's dark outside, and it's just sitting there
um..... wtf
also it's -5 degrees celcius
is that bad for the processor?

gimme a god damn break, i'm happy that i got my CPU
but even more pissed that someone could have stolen it and nobody would ever know
I say you call Purolator / Canada Post / UPS / whoever the shipper is and give them hell! I did that for a case from TD. Then again, all I got was a "We're sorry."

[johnT]

also it's -5 degrees celciusis that bad for the processor?
Which carrier is it?
If you can maintain -5C inside your case, you will be the king of overclocker among RFDer. See, you will beat out all those liquid cooler, only short of liquit nitrogen.

[Brandon]

Which carrier is it?
If you can maintain -5C inside your case, you will be the king of overclocker among RFDer. See, you will beat out all those liquid cooler, only short of liquit nitrogen.

I think a few people here have negative CPU temps.

;)

[Torell]

hahaha no i meant outside it was just sitting in the cold
stupid carrier
it's USPS United States Postal Service
this just gives me another reason to hate America

[kaddy69]

ok i just came home 5:58pm
and the processor was sitting in a box on my door step
it's dark outside, and it's just sitting there
um..... wtf
also it's -5 degrees celcius
is that bad for the processor?

gimme a god damn break, i'm happy that i got my CPU
but even more pissed that someone could have stolen it and nobody would ever know

where was yours from? I was waiting for mine from tankguys. No one has been at my house since Tuesday. They better not leave it at the door :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: .

kaddy69

[importpsycho]

hahaha no i meant outside it was just sitting in the cold
stupid carrier
it's USPS United States Postal Service
this just gives me another reason to hate America

then it's Canada post, USPS hands over to CP once it's over the boarder.

[Torell]

it was from tankguys
it was shipped 21st
i got it the same day as the other member here, sorry i don't remember his name
i would call canadapost then, to see if anything is being shipped to your address
i doubt they would be able to check if that fails
call your local post office drop off, and ask if they are holding anything for your address, that seemed to work for me last time i had a package delivered and reverted to the post office

[importpsycho]

ok, what the hell is wrong with Canadapost?
first of all, they do deliveries on SUNDAY?
I came home this afternoon and long be hold, a box is sittig on my door step.
IT"S MY OPTERON FROM TANKGUYS!!!!!!!! :D
one more thing, i live in APT, anyone walking by my floor could've easily snatched it, what's up with that? :confused:

[kaddy69]

ok, what the hell is wrong with Canadapost?
first of all, they do deliveries on SUNDAY?
I came home this afternoon and long be hold, a box is sittig on my door step.
IT"S MY OPTERON FROM TANKGUYS!!!!!!!! :D
one more thing, i live in APT, anyone walking by my floor could've easily snatched it, what's up with that? :confused:

I still have not got mine from tank guys.
I was away for the last few days, so if Canada post decided to leave it on the door, it could be gone.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

kaddy69

[rahzel]

ok, what the hell is wrong with Canadapost?
first of all, they do deliveries on SUNDAY?
I came home this afternoon and long be hold, a box is sittig on my door step.
IT"S MY OPTERON FROM TANKGUYS!!!!!!!! :D
one more thing, i live in APT, anyone walking by my floor could've easily snatched it, what's up with that? :confused:
if the shipper doesnt include "signature required" or "delivery confirmation", canadapost will just leave it at the door.

canadapost is the worst courier, but for obvious reasons, id much rather have something shipped USPS/CP from the US.

also, i dont think they always ship on the weekends. i think the shipper has to pay extra for that.

[importpsycho]

I gotta Keeper! 146 CAB2E 540
just poped it in, forgot to reset the BIOS from old venice and BOOM!
3ghz right outta the box!
I'm so glad I didn't order from NCIX~

gonna do more test to see if it could go higher

[kaddy69]

I gotta Keeper! 146 CAB2E 540
just poped it in, forgot to reset the BIOS from old venice and BOOM!
3ghz right outta the box!
I'm so glad I didn't order from NCIX~

gonna do more test to see if it could go higher

That's good to hear. Sounds like a nice one :D
I sure hope mines comes......... I ordered one from NCIX and tank guys.

I think the tank guys one is lost. :( :(

On another note:
I just installed my antec p180 and my case temps dropped 4 deg from my sonata. Where's my opteron!

kaddy69

[kaddy69]

Can people let me know when they got their order from Tank guys.

[gewain]

Can people let me know when they got their order from Tank guys.

Ordered mine on the 19th shipped 21st received it today. The box is just fine but the green formed cardboard holder inside was bashed to pieces. The cpu and cooler seem to be ok but haven't had a chance to try them out as I'm waiting for my PSU. The markings on the opty are
OSA146DAA5BN
CAB2E 0540FPMW
134100AJ50114
Anyone else got similar? What results?

[kaddy69]

Ordered mine on the 19th shipped 21st received it today. The box is just fine but the green formed cardboard holder inside was bashed to pieces. The cpu and cooler seem to be ok but haven't had a chance to try them out as I'm waiting for my PSU. The markings on the opty are
OSA146DAA5BN
CAB2E 0540FPMW
134100AJ50114
Anyone else got similar? What results?

Where are you located?

kaddy69

[gewain]

Where are you located?

kaddy69


Literally in the middle of nowhere - Winnipeg.
Yours will turn up soon ;)

[kaddy69]

Literally in the middle of nowhere - Winnipeg.
Yours will turn up soon ;)

don't you mean Winterpeg :D


kaddy69

[vorpal]

Recieved my package today from Tankguys!
Will have to test it out once all my parts come in.

[alpha_tot]

Hmm...just checked frontierpc for the 144s: http://frontierpc.com/ProductDetail.aspx?productID=201H66966 It says they ship in 3-5 days, $155 with a free shipping promo. Damn hot deal if they actually have some, but I wouldnt order just yet...I still havent heard that theyve shipped mine, that I ordered over a month ago.

[guest3721]

I gotta Keeper! 146 CAB2E 540
just poped it in, forgot to reset the BIOS from old venice and BOOM!
3ghz right outta the box!
I'm so glad I didn't order from NCIX~

gonna do more test to see if it could go higher


Wow! That's great for you! Where did you order this chip from?

[preelude]

lol im done reading through the 34 pages and still haven't figured this out... whats an opteron 144 equivalent to right out of box (w/o oc)? i'm guessing athlon64 3000+ 1.8Ghz?

[Haz]

lol im done reading through the 34 pages and still haven't figured this out... whats an opteron 144 equivalent to right out of box (w/o oc)? i'm guessing athlon64 3000+ 1.8Ghz?
Basically. Except that the Opteron has 1MB of L2 cache as oppose to the A64 3000+'s 512K.

[Cafe_333]

I gotta Keeper! 146 CAB2E 540
just poped it in, forgot to reset the BIOS from old venice and BOOM!
3ghz right outta the box!
I'm so glad I didn't order from NCIX~

gonna do more test to see if it could go higherWhich cooler are you using and what idle/load temps are you getting?

[sienna]

Opteron 144 back in stock at NCIX :!:

[itsyours]

It looks like most of people don't pay attention to it any more with that $239 price. Me certainly not!

[JayPatel]

so for those that ordered via NCIX back in early November, has anyone recieved their orders or has this thing come in stock yet? too lazy to read the thread :)

[MtX]

so for those that ordered via NCIX back in early November, has anyone recieved their orders or has this thing come in stock yet? too lazy to read the thread :)

ordered nov 25th and got nothing so far. ncix says 2 more weeks?

[importpsycho]

Which cooler are you using and what idle/load temps are you getting?


idles around 40, and load around 50~55
this is with Scythe Ninja
Opteron runs much hotter


I didn't pay any tax when it came from Tankguys... :D great deal for 146

[Dirty_Larry]

Are these any good for O/C'ing?




939 opterons are supposed to be there in 2-3 weeks, prices look better than anything ive seen so far:
Opteron 144 OEM, $153!: http://www.frontierpc.com/ProductDetail.aspx?productID=201H66966
Opteron 146 OEM, $169: http://www.frontierpc.com/ProductDetail.aspx?productID=201H66967
The boxed versions are $185 and $202 for the 144 and 146 respectively. I ordered the 144 OEM, cant wait to overclock the snot out of it :twisted:
Dual core 165 (2x1.8ghz, 2x1mb l2) - $375 http://www.frontierpc.com/ProductDetail.aspx?productID=201H66978

NCIX has even better deals now...
144 OEM: $149 http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=H66966
146 OEM: $167 http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=H66967&vpn=OSA146DAA5BN&manufacture=AMD%20ADVANCED%20MICRO%20DEVICES
165 (dual core) OEM: $366 http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=H66978&vpn=OSA165DAA6CD&manufacture=AMD%20ADVANCED%20MICRO%20DEVICES

[dOOMYLEIN]

'elo.
I finally received my Opteron 146 from TankGuys and, just a very little surprise, I had to pay taxes on the it. I usually got without taxes when using USPS as the carrier from the states so I'm curious if all of you guys, that bought from TankGuys, paid taxes on your goods?! Please let me know.
SS

[MtX]

'elo.
I finally received my Opteron 146 from TankGuys and, just a very little surprise, I had to pay taxes on the it. I usually got without taxes when using USPS as the carrier from the states so I'm curious if all of you guys, that bought from TankGuys, paid taxes on your goods?! Please let me know.
SS

It's not uncommon when you buy from stores....

[itsyours]

I paid tax on a phone ordered from US shipped by USPS . It's normal for us to pay taxes on something we buy. What did you expect?

[spol]

idles around 40, and load around 50~55
this is with Scythe Ninja
Opteron runs much hotter


I didn't pay any tax when it came from Tankguys... :D great deal for 146

those are very high temps with ninja, what case/fan you have?

[YorkU]

ordered nov 25th and got nothing so far. ncix says 2 more weeks?
ordered 4th of Nov, still nothing, I dont think they are getting any for us. >:(

[MtX]

ordered 4th of Nov, still nothing, I dont think they are getting any for us. >:(

I just got an email from NCIX. It was shipped today. Not sure I want to keep it though. Prices have gone up so I should be able to get back what I paid for :)

[YorkU]

I just got an email from NCIX. It was shipped today. Not sure I want to keep it though. Prices have gone up so I should be able to get back what I paid for :)
did u order oem or retail (144 146?)

[vorpal]

I ordered a retail 144 from NCIX and I received an email today that they have it shipped via Purolator.
I think I'll stick with my 146 from Tankguys.

[CanadianGuy]

I wish I could have gotten in on this deal to upgrade my computer - its just so similiar to the XP mobile i've got :) It's a fast lil sucker, managed to hit 2.7ghz on air and 2.83ghz on water - so it's still got some kick

[kaddy69]

I ordered a retail 144 from NCIX and I received an email today that they have it shipped via Purolator.
I think I'll stick with my 146 from Tankguys.

Someone on anandtech hit 2.9 with these 144 CABNE 0544.

[Sgt_Strider]

I'm just wondering, what steppings are the opteron 144's from ncix?

[Saca_Saca]

'elo.
I finally received my Opteron 146 from TankGuys and, just a very little surprise, I had to pay taxes on the it. I usually got without taxes when using USPS as the carrier from the states so I'm curious if all of you guys, that bought from TankGuys, paid taxes on your goods?! Please let me know.
SS

Hmm, I only had to pay $7.83 when the package arrived. I never had to pay more than $5-$10 when using USPS, normaly just the standard $5.

[Rea1m]

Someone on anandtech hit 2.9 with these 144 CABNE 0544.


Have you got a link for that?

[Haz]

Have you got a link for that?It's the 9th one down by Avalon in this thread. (http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=28&threadid=1732211&frmKeyword=&STARTPAGE=7&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear)

Avalon | CABNE 0544EPMW | 2906 | 1.55 | 36C/51C (idle/load) | TR SI-120 | DFI Ultra-D | 2 x 512 Mushkin Blue | 2-3-3-7 3:2 | PIC

Here's a pic (http://pegasus.cc.ucf.edu/~je981758/opteron2906pi.JPG) of his results. Elsewhere on Anand, he mentions he's using a Thermalright SI-120 with a 120mm Sunon 85CFM fan on a DFI Nforce 4 Ultra-D.

[kaddy69]

****, I have to RMA my DFI ultra-D. It's been a piece of **** since I bought it. Constantly reboots ,and now it won't boot at all. If it gets into windows it fine, but getting in to window takes about 3 reboots.

I have replaced every component, except my video card and I still have the same problem.

kaddy69

[MtX]

It's the 9th one down by Avalon in this thread. (http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=28&threadid=1732211&frmKeyword=&STARTPAGE=7&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear)



Here's a pic (http://pegasus.cc.ucf.edu/~je981758/opteron2906pi.JPG) of his results. Elsewhere on Anand, he mentions he's using a Thermalright SI-120 with a 120mm Sunon 85CFM fan on a DFI Nforce 4 Ultra-D.

Is that the final stable speed?
I might keep my order after all.

[alpha_tot]

FronteirPC is finally shipping my order (from Nov 3) monday!!! I wonder what stepping they've got.
Thanks for the info Prodigy45.

[Rea1m]

****, I have to RMA my DFI ultra-D. It's been a piece of **** since I bought it. Constantly reboots ,and now it won't boot at all. If it gets into windows it fine, but getting in to window takes about 3 reboots.

I have replaced every component, except my video card and I still have the same problem.

kaddy69

Mine does this on occasion too. Last night it booted without any sound. It took a hour of "playing" with things to get it to work. I didn't really do anything other than reseat a few things but if it does it again I'm going to RMA it too.

Anyone else with "wierd" problems with thiers?

[kaddy69]

Mine does this on occasion too. Last night it booted without any sound. It took a hour of "playing" with things to get it to work. I didn't really do anything other than reseat a few things but if it does it again I'm going to RMA it too.

Anyone else with "wierd" problems with thiers?

it looks like a common problem. I have been reading over at DFI-Street forums. I'm going to have to buy another one in the mean time. Damn! I hope this one doesn't have any problems.

kaddy69

[sienna]

I'm just wondering, what steppings are the opteron 144's from ncix?

Got my 144 from NCIX today steppings are --> CABNE 0544EPMW <--

[JayPatel]

so i call NCIX today and talk to the web sales team. The guy tells me that 146 is gonna be a while before they get allocated some. he said at least 2 weeks minimum wait before they show up. Then he tells me that they may not be able to honor the price that I ordered it at. He says they are selling for more and quoted me a higher priced 144 as an example. i said well i ordered mine at the price that they listed on their site, which was not a pricing error either so I should get my CPU at that price. he says they dont bill CC's until the item is ready to ship and they have the right to cancel orders. God I hope thats not true and I got some new guy cause that would truly suck

[galanz]

Got my 144 from NCIX today steppings are --> CABNE 0544EPMW <--

Cool, mine's supposed to ship Monday. Of course I'm going out of town Tuesday so i won't get to play with it until the 21st.

[Prodigy45]

See, the reason why nobody is getting them is that AMD themselves are out so the suppliers can't order them.

ETA for more is mid-late december.

[technote]

so i call NCIX today and talk to the web sales team. The guy tells me that 146 is gonna be a while before they get allocated some. he said at least 2 weeks minimum wait before they show up. Then he tells me that they may not be able to honor the price that I ordered it at. He says they are selling for more and quoted me a higher priced 144 as an example. i said well i ordered mine at the price that they listed on their site, which was not a pricing error either so I should get my CPU at that price. he says they dont bill CC's until the item is ready to ship and they have the right to cancel orders. God I hope thats not true and I got some new guy cause that would truly suck

i ordered a Thermalright XP-90 and an OEM 146 from NCIX weeks and weeks ago... I got the heatsink, and then they charged me the full amount, heatsink + cpu + shipping + tax... i guess if the price gone up, i am actually lucky to have them charge my credit card already... :confused:

[MtX]

Theyre all being discontinued soon.

[ormefocus]

Got my 144 CABNE 0544EPMW from NCIX from the previous round. Just started playing with it, put it up to 2.7Ghz (300X9) @ 1.45V and it ran SuperPI fine. Temperatures with an Xp-90 remain @ 31 Idle, 42 load. This is my first weekend with it so I'll shoot for 2.9 and see if it can get it Prime stable. I'm new to this overclocking thing, so others might be able to go even further. Mated it with OCZ TCCD RAM.

[ShadowVlican]

FYI everyone, infonec has the 150 and the 175 :twisted:

[kaddy69]

If I have 144 CABNE 0544 for sale if anyone wants one!

[Malfunction]

FYI everyone, infonec has the 150 and the 175 :twisted:

Excellent :D

[kaddy69]

Got my 144 CABNE 0544EPMW from NCIX from the previous round. Just started playing with it, put it up to 2.7Ghz (300X9) @ 1.45V and it ran SuperPI fine. Temperatures with an Xp-90 remain @ 31 Idle, 42 load. This is my first weekend with it so I'll shoot for 2.9 and see if it can get it Prime stable. I'm new to this overclocking thing, so others might be able to go even further. Mated it with OCZ TCCD RAM.

my temps are so high. I have an xp-120, at stock voltage, Idel is 40 and load is 51?

Why are mine so high?

[krips]

Warped base, slow fan, or crappy case cooling.

[kaddy69]

Warped base, slow fan, or crappy case cooling.

I had to lap the xp-120, because it was warped :mad:. I have an antec p180 for a case. I'm using a Panaflo medium fan.

I need to get these temps lower. >:( >:( >:( >:(

[MtX]

Got my 144 CABNE 0544EPMW from NCIX from the previous round. Just started playing with it, put it up to 2.7Ghz (300X9) @ 1.45V and it ran SuperPI fine. Temperatures with an Xp-90 remain @ 31 Idle, 42 load. This is my first weekend with it so I'll shoot for 2.9 and see if it can get it Prime stable. I'm new to this overclocking thing, so others might be able to go even further. Mated it with OCZ TCCD RAM.

Looks like I might keep mines then.

[najibs]

NCIX has the 144 model in stock just now. Price $209. I placed my order online :) Been a while since I've been in the overclocking mood, but hey, we'll see if this gets me back into it...

[najibs]

whats the best ram to run with these chips?

[krips]

I had to lap the xp-120, because it was warped :mad:. I have an antec p180 for a case. I'm using a Panaflo medium fan.

I need to get these temps lower. >:( >:( >:( >:(
I have a P180 too. By switching to a 1650B (small case with 1 120mm) my temps actually dropped a little. I think that it could be that they P180 is just such a big case that the airflow isn't very directed.

[YorkU]

so i call NCIX today and talk to the web sales team. The guy tells me that 146 is gonna be a while before they get allocated some. he said at least 2 weeks minimum wait before they show up. Then he tells me that they may not be able to honor the price that I ordered it at. He says they are selling for more and quoted me a higher priced 144 as an example. i said well i ordered mine at the price that they listed on their site, which was not a pricing error either so I should get my CPU at that price. he says they dont bill CC's until the item is ready to ship and they have the right to cancel orders. God I hope thats not true and I got some new guy cause that would truly suck
I have a feeling they've cancelled my order already and keep saying it's still pending (ordered on the 4th of November). scumbags.

[technote]

The Inquirer (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=28369) now says "Opteron Socket 939 is here to stay", and "those several AMD sources got their behinds well slapped"

more details at xbitlabs.com (http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20051213122715.html)

[Cafe_333]

Still in production eh. If only we can see actual shipments to retailers soon. I've been without a desktop for over a month now having sold my old s939 cpu :mad:

[itsyours]

The Inquirer (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=28369) now says "Opteron Socket 939 is here to stay" and Opteron Socket 939 is here to stay, and "those several AMD sources got their behinds well slapped"
Thanks for the info. Translated: More OC Opterons to come in and price will be dropping back to normal. No more price gouging. :cheesygri

[ProfessorChaos]

sweet...means I'll be picking up my Opteron 165 in the spring and new mobo and 7800gt/6800gs :)

[deactivated1245]

Still in production eh. If only we can see actual shipments to retailers soon. I've been without a desktop for over a month now having sold my old s939 cpu :mad:

Same thing happened to me, but I gave up and cancelled my order and bought a cheap Athlon64 instead. Oh well.

[t_ginuwine]

After the news that these opetrons are here to stay, any word that they prices will go down to what they originally were?
like below...
NCIX
144 OEM: $149
146 OEM: $167

[CactusJack]

Originally Posted by JayPatel
so i call NCIX today and talk to the web sales team. The guy tells me that 146 is gonna be a while before they get allocated some. he said at least 2 weeks minimum wait before they show up. Then he tells me that they may not be able to honor the price that I ordered it at. He says they are selling for more and quoted me a higher priced 144 as an example. i said well i ordered mine at the price that they listed on their site, which was not a pricing error either so I should get my CPU at that price. he says they dont bill CC's until the item is ready to ship and they have the right to cancel orders. God I hope thats not true and I got some new guy cause that would truly suck

I ordered mine about the same time and they DID bill my CC! I put a comment in on the 146 retail box comments section, probably sounded a little sarcastic. Those buggers better honor their price or I will raise some serious crap about their practices.

[importpsycho]

I'm parting out whole syste now to get ready for my spring trip to asia :D
I wanted to sell my opteron, but not here(too many low ballers), probably $260 tops here so took it to ebay....

I'm shocked!

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6832536900

i guessed around 300~350 max but wow.
I was going to cancel the auction if it looked like it would end around 300, I'd rather keep it then to sell it for 300~ but now, i'm SOOOO selling :D

[MtX]

I'm parting out whole syste now to get ready for my spring trip to asia :D
I wanted to sell my opteron, but not here(too many low ballers), probably $260 tops here so took it to ebay....

I'm shocked!

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6832536900

i guessed around 300~350 max but wow.
I was going to cancel the auction if it looked like it would end around 300, I'd rather keep it then to sell it for 300~ but now, i'm SOOOO selling :D


Good one, I think Im getting ~$250 for my CABGE 146.

[kaddy69]

I'm parting out whole syste now to get ready for my spring trip to asia :D
I wanted to sell my opteron, but not here(too many low ballers), probably $260 tops here so took it to ebay....

I'm shocked!

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6832536900

i guessed around 300~350 max but wow.
I was going to cancel the auction if it looked like it would end around 300, I'd rather keep it then to sell it for 300~ but now, i'm SOOOO selling :D

wow, mine will hit 3.0ghz. It's a cabne 146

I'm almost temped to sell it and stick with a 3000+ venice!

That's crazy.

I finally got my RMA'd mobo back from NCIX, but they only sent the motherboard and not anything else :mad!!! I sent them everything back. I don't even have a single sata cable to hook up one of my drives :mad.

The package/cables for the motherboard will be coming later!

Mobo was sent by Purlator air.
Package was sent by CanadaPost ground.

Big time difference by purlator air and canada post ground.

[importpsycho]

wow, mine will hit 3.0ghz. It's a cabne 146

I'm almost temped to sell it and stick with a 3000+ venice!

That's crazy.

I finally got my RMA'd mobo back from NCIX, but they only sent the motherboard and not anything else :mad!!! I sent them everything back. I don't even have a single sata cable to hook up one of my drives :mad.

The package/cables for the motherboard will be coming later!

Mobo was sent by Purlator air.
Package was sent by CanadaPost ground.

Big time difference by purlator air and canada post ground.



nice $200 profit
somebody badly wants fastest gaming cpu money can buy :D

[tweakerxp]

wow, mine will hit 3.0ghz. It's a cabne 146

I'm almost temped to sell it and stick with a 3000+ venice!

That's crazy.

I finally got my RMA'd mobo back from NCIX, but they only sent the motherboard and not anything else :mad!!! I sent them everything back. I don't even have a single sata cable to hook up one of my drives :mad.

The package/cables for the motherboard will be coming later!

Mobo was sent by Purlator air.
Package was sent by CanadaPost ground.

Big time difference by purlator air and canada post ground.
Wow, I've never heard of that happening with NCIX before. I know NCIX tells you to send everything back, but on my last mobo RMA I only sent the board back. The replacement came with a replacement board, and the associated cables. Makes you wonder what they really want you to do :?:

[t_ginuwine]

I'm parting out whole syste now to get ready for my spring trip to asia :D
I wanted to sell my opteron, but not here(too many low ballers), probably $260 tops here so took it to ebay....

I'm shocked!

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6832536900

i guessed around 300~350 max but wow.
I was going to cancel the auction if it looked like it would end around 300, I'd rather keep it then to sell it for 300~ but now, i'm SOOOO selling :D

Nice profit dude!

[kaddy69]

Wow, I've never heard of that happening with NCIX before. I know NCIX tells you to send everything back, but on my last mobo RMA I only sent the board back. The replacement came with a replacement board, and the associated cables. Makes you wonder what they really want you to do :?:

They did say in my RMA email to return all cables, manual, CD, etc. that comes with the item originally.

Someone from NCIX saw my post and is dealing with it now! They have the best service I have got from a computer store. Actually almost any store period. :D

kaddy69

[lanshark]

Opteron 165
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=120339

From http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=994759

$270.63 + $20 shipping, in USD. With 14% tax and 3% currency conversion on your credit card, that's around CDN$390-$395 total after tax.

I don't have the $ available to buy one myself, but that's the best price I've seen for over a month on an Opteron 165.

- lanshark

[kaddy69]

Well it looks like I'm getting my cables/box tomorrow by purolator Air Saturday delivery. :D

I'm moving away on the 26th of this month. If I had to wait for Canada post to forward it to my new address, it would take weeks.

Great service!

[CowboyDude]

NCIX has the worst customer service/support by far. It takes 1-2 to get any answer (and Im a VIP member) I still cant get a real answer on my Opteron order....

[itsyours]

NCIX has the worst customer service/support by far. It takes 1-2 to get any answer (and Im a VIP member) I still cant get a real answer on my Opteron order....
And they wanted to raise the price once orders filled while FrontierPC won't do that. FrontierPC even said oder now to reserve the price, I remember. I ordered the 146 from NCIX just because I wanted to give them my business and they probably will reward me with their higher price later. Too late to come back to FrontierPC so I'll stick with NCIX and see what happens if the 146 would ever come.

[YorkU]

I have cancelled mine (146 with ncix a few days ago)...

[holyheaven]

is there any store i can buy 146 or 144?

[Katso]

Opteron 144 Reatail Box IN STOCK

http://www.pccanada.com/viewitem.asp?id=4016

[itsyours]

Opteron 144 Reatail Box IN STOCK

http://www.pccanada.com/viewitem.asp?id=4016
Screw NCIX, how much is shipping to Vancouver? I better order from this store than waiting for NCIX.
But.. if people start to have Opterons trickling in, it may drop in price too. Price still more than what AMD wants to sell.
What to do? Keep waiting or order it?

[kaddy69]

And they wanted to raise the price once orders filled while FrontierPC won't do that. FrontierPC even said oder now to reserve the price, I remember. I ordered the 146 from NCIX just because I wanted to give them my business and they probably will reward me with their higher price later. Too late to come back to FrontierPC so I'll stick with NCIX and see what happens if the 146 would ever come.

I doubt they will raise their prices on the opterons. I have heard that they would rather take a loss and get it to the customers. They have that clause when you order to be on the safe side. Wait and see. I too have a 146 on back order with them.

Has anyone else had NCIX raise the prices after you placed an order?

I can't image how much money they have just spent on shipping to get me my motherboard box.

-RMA board was shipped to my by purolator air.
-Box was shipped canada post ground.
-Another mobo box (no motherboard) was shipped overnight purolator air Saturday. It should be here in a few hours.

They even gave me the option of picking all the stuff up(cables, etc) from a local shop and paying me back for it. This was just so that I could have my system running, while I was waiting for the box to come in the mail.

[Malfunction]

Quick update (I didn't read last 5 pages of the thread, so don't hate if this is old news :) )... Opteron 165 and 175 and Opteron 144 thru 150 are available @ www.pccanada.com. Opteron 148 and 175 are available @ www.infonec.com though I don't know if they have any stock currently. I picked up a 148 yesterday :)

[darkman007e]

Does anyone know if the Opteron single core are compatible with the Asus A8N SLI Deluxe ? Some motherboard like the A8N32 SLI Deluxe, A8N5X, A8N-SLI SE, A8N-VM, A8N-VM CSM, A8R-MVP, A8S-X and A8V-MX are supported. What wrong in the head of Asus ?

[t_ginuwine]

Quick update (I didn't read last 5 pages of the thread, so don't hate if this is old news :) )... Opteron 165 and 175 and Opteron 144 thru 150 are available @ www.pccanada.com. Opteron 148 and 175 are available @ www.infonec.com though I don't know if they have any stock currently. I picked up a 148 yesterday :)

what stepping and which store?

[t_ginuwine]

is there a reason why

AMD® Opteron™ 146 (Socket 940) is 55 dollars cheaper than the Socket 939 version??????????

I'm thinking pricing error :D

[randomdef]

is there a reason why

AMD® Opteron™ 146 (Socket 940) is 55 dollars cheaper than the Socket 939 version??????????

I'm thinking pricing error :D

do yourself a favor and find a cheap socket 940 motherboard.

[Haz]

do yourself a favor and find a cheap socket 940 motherboard.
And get some expensive Registered memory? :)

[GeneralCho]

Opteron 144 for $159.99 (Boxing Day) I think that is an awesome price if you are planning to build a budget computer system. I am tempted to order it.

[Payne3d]

Opteron 144 for $159.99 (Boxing Day) I think that is an awesome price if you are planning to build a budget computer system. I am tempted to order it.
Where? FrontierPC?

[Chipbug]

do yourself a favor and find a cheap socket 940 motherboard.
A quick look at some of the popular stores (e.g. CC, NCIX, Infonec) will reveal that the cheapest Socket 940 motherboard will cost you close to $300. On the other hand, the cheapest Socket 939 mb is around $100 and a really good one is only about $150. If you know of any S940 mb as cheap as S939, you better tell us where to look you.

[t_ginuwine]

Ok guys I'm uninformed, I get it. I'll read up on this stuff, pinky swear

[randomdef]

A quick look at some of the popular stores (e.g. CC, NCIX, Infonec) will reveal that the cheapest Socket 940 motherboard will cost you close to $300. On the other hand, the cheapest Socket 939 mb is around $100 and a really good one is only about $150. If you know of any S940 mb as cheap as S939, you better tell us where to look you.

that was the implied sarcasm dumbass.

[Malfunction]

Actually I decided to go with Abit AN8 Ultra as the mobo (was deciding between DFI Ultra D and that one). I picked up the 148 @ infonec, the stepping is: CACJE

[simon0t7]

Where? FrontierPC?

PCCanada.com

Starts Dec 27th

[Payne3d]

PCCanada.com

Starts Dec 27th
Thanks.

[Chipbug]

that was the implied sarcasm dumbass.
Your sarcasm and foul spirit would be well suited for the comedy channel. But this is the Hot Deal forum. If you have something useful to say for the hot deal, then keep doing it. Otherwise, go somewhere else.

[randomdef]

Your sarcasm and foul spirit would be well suited for the comedy channel. But this is the Hot Deal forum. If you have something useful to say for the hot deal, then keep doing it. Otherwise, go somewhere else.

i just cried a little bit, please feel free to PM me to continue this flame war.

[archaeo]

there was no indication of sarcasm. randomdef looks like he's just trying to cover up for his ignorance.

[samsono]

FYI I bought a 165 from Premier Computers Canada in Mississauga on Friday and low and behold they gave me a CCBWE 0530TPMW...for those of you who don't know, this is the absolute best dual core stepping availible for the Opterons and I would have thought finding them through a retail chain would be impossible

The guy just went in the back of the store and came back and handed me it...I checked the stepping right away and wanted to pay him right away :p...I am just waiting for my RAM back from RMA to try this sucker out

It is a bit disheartening seeing that they've dropped the price almost $60 for boxing day which I really wasn't expecting from the Optys considering their current demand...but I'm still satisfied paying $400 for a core that should easily do 2.8Ghz

[Reggin]

Hey guys,

I've have a 144 on order from NCIX since Dec2 and still haven't gotten it :evil:

When do they say they'll get stock?

[najibs]

Hey guys,

I've have a 144 on order from NCIX since Dec2 and still haven't gotten it :evil:

When do they say they'll get stock?


Really? I ordered one on December 14th and got it like 2 days later...

[lhsonic]

these things are no longer getting made. So get yours while you can. They're great cpus

[najibs]

these things are no longer getting made. So get yours while you can. They're great cpus

That's untrue, and that's why the prices spiked a couple of weeks ago, because of false rumours, but are coming back down. AMD sent out a press release saying these CPU's had NOT been discontinued.

[itsyours]

That's untrue, and that's why the prices spiked a couple of weeks ago, because of false rumours, but are coming back down. AMD sent out a press release saying these CPU's had NOT been discontinued.
Correct! They've just started it for the budget severs. No reason for them to terminate it prematurely.

[CactusJack]

I've have a 144 on order from NCIX since Dec2 and still haven't gotten it

Ha! I've had an OEM 146 on order since Nov 10 and stil haven't gotten it. They even charged me for it! What happened to "we won't charge you till it ships"?

BTW, the 146 retail boxes are now in stock.....

[bug]

Ha! I've had an OEM 146 on order since Nov 10 and stil haven't gotten it. They even charged me for it! What happened to "we won't charge you till it ships"?

BTW, the 146 retail boxes are now in stock.....
You should definitely call about that.

[CactusJack]

Called them twice and Have a 8-response sized message thread going. They didn't seem to think charging me was that unusual, but they did offer to cancel my order, which I haven't done, seeing as they've charged me already so they have to honor their price if they ever do get stock......Of course, I could cancel it and order the PCCanada 144..... :|

[galanz]

Really? I ordered one on December 14th and got it like 2 days later...

Me too.

[najibs]

Me too.

I got a CABNE 0544EPMW or EMPW can't remember exactly, but I hear it's a good overclocking stepping. What did you get?

[MtX]

I got a CABNE 0544EPMW or EMPW can't remember exactly, but I hear it's a good overclocking stepping. What did you get?

i got that chip to 2.85ghz stable using 1.56V......gonna try a CABYE to see if it can do any better.

[darkman007e]

PCCanada were sold out really quicktly. I'm still wondering if for me it worth it to buy the Opteron 144 or 146. I currently have the Asus A8N SLI Deluxe and a Athlon 64 3000+ Winchester overclock from 1.8 to 2.4Ghz.

[divx]

Which one is better value? 144 or 146? 200 Mhz and $20 difference. Also, did ANYONE received their OEM opterons from ncix?

[Saca_Saca]

i got that chip to 2.85ghz stable using 1.56V......gonna try a CABYE to see if it can do any better.

What is the max voltage for the opterons. I have been playing with the 146 I got from TankGuys and have bottomed out @ 2.88ghz. I have raised the voltage to 1.5V but it did not help. I have watercooling and temps are about 45c full load (2hr Prime95).

[itsyours]

PCCanada sold out on both 146, 144. More will be coming soon.

[Reggin]

I got my order in for a 144 from FrontierPC (PCCanada.com) this morning. I got a confirmation email from them this afternoon stating that it would be shipped out via UPS tomorrow AM.

wh00t! NCIX also shipped my ASROCK mobo this morning!

[importpsycho]

Which one is better value? 144 or 146? 200 Mhz and $20 difference. Also, did ANYONE received their OEM opterons from ncix?


146, and forget about OEM, it's never gona come
mind as well just cancel the order


has anyone gotten their boxing day batch yet?
i wonder what the stepping is

[dOOMYLEIN]

I got my order in for a 144 from FrontierPC (PCCanada.com) this morning. I got a confirmation email from them this afternoon stating that it would be shipped out via UPS tomorrow AM.

wh00t! NCIX also shipped my ASROCK mobo this morning!

What is the stepping of your Opteron? I cancelled my Opteron 144 order from FrontierPC long time ago and I'm curious of what I could have got:) Thanks.

[Reggin]

If you'd read my post, youd know I hadn't gotten it yet.... :(

[itsyours]

If you'd read my post, youd know I hadn't gotten it yet.... :(
Your Opteron 144 stepping:
CACJE 0546APBW.

[divx]

146, and forget about OEM, it's never gona come
mind as well just cancel the order


has anyone gotten their boxing day batch yet?
i wonder what the stepping is
I'm gona forget desktops in general. Laptop is the way of the future, mobility.

[MtX]

What is the max voltage for the opterons. I have been playing with the 146 I got from TankGuys and have bottomed out @ 2.88ghz. I have raised the voltage to 1.5V but it did not help. I have watercooling and temps are about 45c full load (2hr Prime95).

Max I would say is 1.6-1.65v.. of course they are probably rated to do more in reality but it is not worth it.. and its speed that increases temperature, not volts.. i say if you can hit 3.1ghz on 1.6v, then it's worth the increase in voltage..

[itsyours]

Max I would say is 1.6-1.65v.. of course they are probably rated to do more in reality but it is not worth it.. and its speed that increases temperature, not volts.. i say if you can hit 3.1ghz on 1.6v, then it's worth the increase in voltage..
Even though it is hard to compare oranges to apples but I think it is the voltage to contribute to the increased temperature more than the speed. Most tests I did with socket A systems confirmed that.
The speed is what we want and we accept its trade off, as long as the load temp. doesn't exceed 55* C (generally) in summer time.
I would think 1.50 V is the max you want for your opterons on air. Do not risk it at > 1.55 V on air. For water, I don't know but adding .1 V is reasonable, I think.

[CactusJack]

A few of you may have noticed my slightly Angst-riddled post a couple of days back regarding my 146 OEM order that was paid for, but never filled.
An NCIX rep must have seen it, as I got a PM last night basically saying they wanted this sorted out, today if possible, and gave a few options of what they could do for me. A few back and forth emails with Ryan today to discuss these options and relative costs, and I settled (with his help) on a retail 146 at the Boxing Day price (I agreed to pay the extra, worth it just for the warranty IMHO). Ryan put in a ton of effort to make sure I could get this for the good price, and even upgraded the shipping to Air so I'd get it for the weekend.
So, thanks NCIX for making this right, and especially thanks to Ryan for making it personal (in a good way) and following through. :cheesygri

[simon0t7]

got my 146 from PCCanada
CAB2E 0546, these are hot little mofo's but have proven to run at 300*10
i currently have miine on 270*10 (1:1) and tomorrow morning after 24hrs of prime, i'll shoot for 3 ghz (1:1). temps are 43C full load using my Big Typhoon!
voltage is 1.46 if you're curious

[xxgg]

got my 146 from PCCanada
CAB2E 0546, these are hot little mofo's but have proven to run at 300*10
i currently have miine on 270*10 (1:1) and tomorrow morning after 24hrs of prime, i'll shoot for 3 ghz (1:1). temps are 43C full load using my Big Typhoon!
voltage is 1.46 if you're curious


What motherboard and what PSU are you using ?

[itsyours]

got my 146 from PCCanada
CAB2E 0546, these are hot little mofo's but have proven to run at 300*10
i currently have miine on 270*10 (1:1) and tomorrow morning after 24hrs of prime, i'll shoot for 3 ghz (1:1). temps are 43C full load using my Big Typhoon!
voltage is 1.46 if you're curious
Good for you. They are OOS right now and expecting a new shipment tomorrow. The stepping will likely be different from yours.

[Reggin]

Your Opteron 144 stepping:
CACJE 0546APBW.

How do you know ? :?: :?:

[simon0t7]

Good for you. They are OOS right now and expecting a new shipment tomorrow. The stepping will likely be different from yours.

CAB2E 0546 has been popular for a little while. A buddy got 2 a few weeks ago, you will pobably get somethign similar

motherboard
Albatorn K8SLI
Power Supply
Antec truepower 2.0 480 watt
Memory
2*512 OCZ PC4800 platinum elite edition

[duster]

If interested, I'm selling my 144...

LINK (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=236416)

[audit13]

I noticed the Premier Computer Canada in Etobicoke has the retail Opteron 144 for $175 + tax. Not sure about the stepping.

[fitbrit]

Uh-oh. I'm in the same boat as you then. I sent them a ticket this weekend and haven't heard back yet. I can tell you that Ryan et al are wonderful at treating the customers right as long as you're reasonable with them too at least. I guess I'll try and get the same deal as you- I have a system awaiting a CPU and I ordered an OEM 146 the week before Xmas. Thanks for the update.

A few of you may have noticed my slightly Angst-riddled post a couple of days back regarding my 146 OEM order that was paid for, but never filled.
An NCIX rep must have seen it, as I got a PM last night basically saying they wanted this sorted out, today if possible, and gave a few options of what they could do for me. A few back and forth emails with Ryan today to discuss these options and relative costs, and I settled (with his help) on a retail 146 at the Boxing Day price (I agreed to pay the extra, worth it just for the warranty IMHO). Ryan put in a ton of effort to make sure I could get this for the good price, and even upgraded the shipping to Air so I'd get it for the weekend.
So, thanks NCIX for making this right, and especially thanks to Ryan for making it personal (in a good way) and following through. :cheesygri

[importpsycho]

Even though it is hard to compare oranges to apples but I think it is the voltage to contribute to the increased temperature more than the speed. Most tests I did with socket A systems confirmed that.
The speed is what we want and we accept its trade off, as long as the load temp. doesn't exceed 55* C (generally) in summer time.
I would think 1.50 V is the max you want for your opterons on air. Do not risk it at > 1.55 V on air. For water, I don't know but adding .1 V is reasonable, I think.


yes 1.5 max for air cooling
I had 1.55 on 146 and it was hitting 60c while priming... scray :eek:
took it down to 1.5 and temp settled down around 55 loaded
and i'm using Scythe ninja cooler
opty runs very hot

[MtX]

i think theyre safe to run up to 1.65V.......its not voltage that increases temperature, its speed... 2.8ghz @ 1.5v and 2.8ghz @ 1.65v yields the same temperature for me... try it out.

[alpha_tot]

i think theyre safe to run up to 1.65V.......its not voltage that increases temperature, its speed... 2.8ghz @ 1.5v and 2.8ghz @ 1.65v yields the same temperature for me... try it out.

Are you sure your mobos giving it 1.65v, or is that just the bios setting? 1.5-1.65 is a pretty big jump and I would think it should give a quite noticeable increase in temps if its anything like any other processor ever made.

Anyhoo, I wouldnt go much over 1.5-1.55 for everyday use, but if you want to bench it for a couple days at 1.65 you shouldnt be hurting it too bad. Of course it also depends a lot on your cooling/temps as well...

And I just realized its been over two months since I started this thread, and I still havent even booted with my damn opteron. Right now Im waiting to get my A8V deluxe back from RMA...after waiting over a month to get my 144 in the first place :mad:

[VanillaPep]

Which one is hotter? The Opteron 939 or the Opteron 940?

[buddhaboy12]

I know it is kinda late..... but, i'm thinking of buying one of these

Is this deal dead yet? Does NCIX still have stock?

Edit: Actually, should i get some new ram first? Have Value Kingston 2x 512mb dual channel ram...

Thinking about getting OCZ 2GB when i have the money and a new PSU

Right now i have:
AMD 64 3200+ Winchester (@2.45GHz)
Value Kingston 2x 512mb (dual channel)
X850pro flashed to 16 pipes
A8V Deluxe
420W Thermaltake PSU (dont know if its is enough for my rig)

What should i upgrade for max performace? I was thinking RAM would be the best, but i would like a second opinion (or an Opteron?)....

[Haz]

I know it is kinda late..... but, i'm thinking of buying one of these

Is this deal dead yet? Does NCIX still have stock?

Edit: Actually, should i get some new ram first? Have Value Kingston 2x 512mb dual channel ram...

Thinking about getting OCZ 2GB when i have the money and a new PSU

Right now i have:
AMD 64 3200+ Winchester (@2.45GHz)
Value Kingston 2x 512mb (dual channel)
X850pro flashed to 16 pipes
A8V Deluxe
420W Thermaltake PSU (dont know if its is enough for my rig)

What should i upgrade for max performace? I was thinking RAM would be the best, but i would like a second opinion (or an Opteron?)....
:cheesygri Looks similar to my setup!

Opteron 144 @ 2.4GHz
A8V-DX rev2.0
2 x 512MB Samsung PC3200 cheap RAM
X800 Pro (just got it but probably not flashable)
560W TT PSU

Power supply should be adequate. You're not gonna get too much gain investing in a video card unless you're moving to PCI-E. And unless you're buying a dual core Opteron, there's minimal advantages over your A64 3200+.

For the money, more RAM would be the best bang for your buck upgrade.

[MtX]

Are you sure your mobos giving it 1.65v, or is that just the bios setting? 1.5-1.65 is a pretty big jump and I would think it should give a quite noticeable increase in temps if its anything like any other processor ever made.

Anyhoo, I wouldnt go much over 1.5-1.55 for everyday use, but if you want to bench it for a couple days at 1.65 you shouldnt be hurting it too bad. Of course it also depends a lot on your cooling/temps as well...

And I just realized its been over two months since I started this thread, and I still havent even booted with my damn opteron. Right now Im waiting to get my A8V deluxe back from RMA...after waiting over a month to get my 144 in the first place

My motherboard is known to be inaccurate in readings but I'm pretty sure I'm giving it 1.65v....anyways, im running on my CABYE144 right now and it's doing 2.8GHz @ 1.5v.... all my other old 144s (sold now) required 1.6-1.65v to hit 2.8GHz...im pretty sure i can do 3.0ghz if i throw in 1.65v too but 200mhz isnt worth the 0.15v i have to throw......if i could gain 400mhz by doing 1.65v, i'd do it...but temps would be so high!


Which one is hotter? The Opteron 939 or the Opteron 940?

This thread is about 939.


I know it is kinda late..... but, i'm thinking of buying one of these

Is this deal dead yet? Does NCIX still have stock?

Edit: Actually, should i get some new ram first? Have Value Kingston 2x 512mb dual channel ram...

Thinking about getting OCZ 2GB when i have the money and a new PSU

Right now i have:
AMD 64 3200+ Winchester (@2.45GHz)
Value Kingston 2x 512mb (dual channel)
X850pro flashed to 16 pipes
A8V Deluxe
420W Thermaltake PSU (dont know if its is enough for my rig)

What should i upgrade for max performace? I was thinking RAM would be the best, but i would like a second opinion (or an Opteron?)....

It is kinda late, and unless you're paying virtually nothing to upgrade, I don't think it's worth it especially when you're upgrading from first generation 64-bit to second generation. I would tell you to definitely upgrade if you were coming from 32-bit but going from 64-bit to 64-bit will not yield huge performance increases. I'd say maybe 5-10% more for you. If the system runs fine, keep it the way it is. Add a better PSU if you plan on adding additional components that will utilize the PSU. Maybe even add a bigger/faster hard drive like a Raptor if you want some serious speed. For RAM, 2GB sounds nice but I doubt anyone needs that much now. Also, I think it's harder to overclock with 2x1GB modules. And for CPU, an Opteron wont make a huge difference unless it's overclocked close to 2.8GHz and you use programs that take advantage of the 1MB cache. Also note that you will be paying roughly $200+ for the CPU while your Winnie will only go for ~$100 at most.

[ccyk]

what the Vcore should be for duel core opteron?
and the should the tempreature be for o/c and stock?
I am using zalman 9500 hsf

[Katso]

PCCanada has the 144, 146 and 165 in-stock.

OSA144BNBOX -> http://www.pccanada.com/viewitem.asp?id=4016
OSA146BNBOX -> http://www.pccanada.com/viewitem.asp?id=4003
OSA165CDBOX -> http://www.pccanada.com/viewitem.asp?id=4008

[xxgg]

PCCanada has the 144, 146 and 165 in-stock.

OSA144BNBOX -> http://www.pccanada.com/viewitem.asp?id=4016
OSA146BNBOX -> http://www.pccanada.com/viewitem.asp?id=4003
OSA165CDBOX -> http://www.pccanada.com/viewitem.asp?id=4008


Holy Crap!
AMD to raise the upto $68 more!!
Bastards!!

[itsyours]

Holy Crap!
AMD to raise the upto $68 more!!
Bastards!!
That's right. Was informed AMD starts to raise price of the Opteron 1** series today. Given the demand, this is expected.

[xxgg]

For past week I have been doing some reseaching on AMD Socket 939 CPUs to see which one overclocks better and such.
I personally do not like online shopping because I have to physically see my hardwares and buy it right on the spot. Besides I don't like the shipping time wait and shipping charge ;D
Anyways so after doing some reseaching I have decided to purchase AMD Opteron 146 (2.0GHz) s939. So I started calling a lot of shops around GTA and non of them had any in stock. So I said what the heck, I'll called again to see if any of them had AMD Opteron 165 DualCore 1.8GHz. Again non of them had it in stock... some shop said they could order it for me but I didn't feel like waiting for I ended up not buying what I have been researching for about a week. Oh well...
So i have decided to buy AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 3800+. This CPU does not overclock as well as Opteron but I decided to take a chance at it. Also, I bought a Thermaltake Big Typhoon, Antec SmartPower 2.0 500W (modular cables) and Biostar TForce 6100-939 motherboard (mATX).

Now to the fun part. My overclocking result but before that I have to tell you something about BigTyphoon heatsink. This heatsink performs awesome! but I give 1 of 10 for installation as it was difficult to put the screw on as heatsink fins itself was too big/large/wide.
So how did my CPU overclock ? I guess I got one of the CPU from better? batch? because I was able to boot into windows at whopping 3GHz! (10x300).
Here is a link of proof: http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=64966
But as you have guessed, it wasn't stable enough to do any benchmarks.
At 2.9GHz I was able to finish a run of Super PI. but wasn't stable enough for both cores to finish 2 Prime95 I ran. One of the core failed after few minutes while other core kept on running. So I have decided to do torturing test on 2.8GHz @ 1.55volt. Several runs of 3DMark03 finished without a problem and two Prime95 ran for 8+hours straight. It seems fine by the torture tests I have done but it'll take me several days for me to do my regular everyday real world stuff to actually see if it is stable and temperature maintain stable.
So now I have a Dual core CPU default at 2.0GHz running at 2.8GHz w/ 512KB L2 per core.

Once again... I was at downtown by college street shopping for these hardwares. I originally planned on DIF NF4 Infinity motherboard but non of them had it in stock so I settle with Biostar TForce 6100-939.(nForce6100 chipset). it is amazing how there are so many shops just in that street but what is even more amazing is 3rd of the people working in shops aren't very knowlodgable with computers. I mean atleast know the brands you are selling! for example ICCT. I walked in and ask if they have a DFI nForce4 motherboard and one of the sales person wasn't so sure he was checking their computer and the person that was at the desk asked what motherboard he was looking for. Person at the desk right away said "no, DFI is all sold out. no more in stock" I said fine but I asked for the price anyways and so he checks the computer himself and he couldn't find it. Why? because ICCT never carried DFI motherboard! and his reply? "I guess we don't carry those"
Just dumb.
Sorry for non- overclocking- related crap.

Anyways. I am totally satisfied with this CPU & heatsink and this motherboard. This is one of only few motherboards with overclocking feature compare to other brands using same series of GeForce61xx chipsets.
But I should have still bought DFI NF4 Infinity if it was available at the time of shopping day.

My CPU cost me $365 and runs at 2.8GHz 512KB*2 cache. AthlonFX-60 dualcore cost like $1200? and runs at 2.6GHz 1MB*2 L2 cache.

Btw... I upgraded from AthlonXP 1700+(DLT3C)@ 2.4GHz w/ Abit NF7-S nForce2 motherboard combo, Thermalright SI-97 heatsink.





I forgot one more thing. I also bought a Sapphire Radeon X800GTO2 PCI-E. Knowing that these have same core as X850's(R480) but only with 12pipe.
To my suprise... my card already had 16pipe enabled. :D but I think it is R430 core. Damn it... than it is totally same card as X800XL.

[audit13]

I'm going to try an Opteron 144 with a Gigabyte k8nsc-939 since I can't afford anything really fancy. I guess the 144s around town are going to be cab2e. Hopefully, the 144 will not rise in price by tomorrow morning. :lol:

[xxgg]

By the way...
I don't know about single core CPUs
but as for dual core. Opteron Dual core comes with very good quality heat-pipe heatsink compare to cheap alloy every simple small heatsink.

Thank again Opteron CPu are better tested by AMD and are toward the servers for way way better quality heatsinks comes with it. So I suggest you play with that before invest a lot of money on new heatsink.