What are my chances of getting into Waterloo for accounting?

[FearSonic]

Kinda getting scared of which university I'm going to get into. My marks aren't STELLAR but my semester is somewhat hard for me (I'm weak at maths) as I have two maths.

I saw in the Info69 book that last year they admitted 80, count em, EIGHTY people for the accounting co-op.Yeesh! Stiff competition!

Okay, so my marks are hovering mid 70s to mid 80s. It's something like this:

Calculus - 73
Data Management - 76
English - 84
Exercise Science - 85

Next semester, I have Organizational Studies, Accounting, International Business and Personal Fitness. I'm not scared about next semester as I'm fully prepared to do the work and it won't be too hard with THOSE subjects. I just want to know how much harder I'm going to need to work for Calculus and Data Management? I'm shooting for near perfects on my next few tests but I'd like to know how good it has to be. >_>

Damn me and being weak at math. The future just freaks me out with how well some people are doing. =/

[sxz]

I believe you need a high 80 to low 90 average to get into the Mathematics & Chartered Accounting program at Waterloo. If you're trying to get into the other accounting programs, then I'm not sure about the marks.

[FearSonic]

Nope, the Accounting and Financial Management program that has Co-op too.

[ryan123]

just look the info 69 booklet everything son there

[FearSonic]

Yeah really, I'm looking at it right now and it's just telling me everything I said. People got in with low-mid 80s but I don't know. My marks aren't too stellar from my point of view. =/ I guess the only think keeping me above others is the fact that I'm in my school's Student Council? It won't matter too much though...

[flirt]

Kinda getting scared of which university I'm going to get into. My marks aren't STELLAR but my semester is somewhat hard for me (I'm weak at maths) as I have two maths.

I saw in the Info69 book that last year they admitted 80, count em, EIGHTY people for the accounting co-op.Yeesh! Stiff competition!

Okay, so my marks are hovering mid 70s to mid 80s. It's something like this:

Calculus - 73
Data Management - 76
English - 84
Exercise Science - 85

Next semester, I have Organizational Studies, Accounting, International Business and Personal Fitness. I'm not scared about next semester as I'm fully prepared to do the work and it won't be too hard with THOSE subjects. I just want to know how much harder I'm going to need to work for Calculus and Data Management? I'm shooting for near perfects on my next few tests but I'd like to know how good it has to be. >_>

Damn me and being weak at math. The future just freaks me out with how well some people are doing. =/

seriously? 0%. I had a 89% and didnt get accepted.

[FearSonic]

seriously? 0%. I had a 89% and didnt get accepted.

Oh. Great.

[Dash]

I'm assuming you want to go into arts accounting right? not math?

anyways, waterloo's going downhill. Last year was the worse year for math students. They're were so many failures, that waterloo had to increase the number of fails you get before you get booted from the faculty.

and it depends on what school you go to. if you go to a good school and have decent marks, you'll get in over a student who went to a crap school and got good marks.

[Anessa]

Waterloo...you better step up your game if you want to continue there after 1st year. I've seen so many drop outs come to St George this year or worst...some at Ryerson, York, Seneca.

[divx]

seriously? 0%. I had a 89% and didnt get accepted.

you aren't kidding man, they rejected me with 89.5% for EE, who do they think they are? the #1 university in canada? well yes, yes they are, but still... i actually had to pull my mark up a bit more to get accepted. But then again, I wish I didn't go there, too hard. Dude, it's really really really hard over there, please think twice before going. Lots people I talked to, (my roomates and neighbour on the res floor), wished they didn't goto UW.

My recommandation to you is not goto UW unless you want to get owned on every single test.

[Dash]

you aren't kidding man, they rejected me with 89.5% for EE, who do they think they are? i actually had to pull my mark up a bit more to get accepted. But then again, I wish I didn't go there, too hard. Dude, it's really really really hard over there, please think twice before going. Lots people I talked to, (my roomates and neighbour on the res floor), wished they didn't goto UW.

It is a tough school academically. but it has results. The major appeal about waterloo is the co-op. it can't be matched. And when you graduate you look for a job, trust me. that co-op pays off big time. A good portion of us would never get the chance to work at some of the places we work for if not for Waterloo co-op. The degree alone will only get you so far.

[Homer88]

Well the only prereq for that program is Grade 12 English, I don't see why you're worrying =P

[divx]

first year management teaches you how compound interest works, and it tells you that it's better for you to get 20 million dollars from lotto 649 than to get it over a 30 year period to due interest factors, that I didn't knew. :| :-0 :lol:

[divx]

It is a tough school academically. but it has results. The major appeal about waterloo is the co-op. it can't be matched. And when you graduate you look for a job, trust me. that co-op pays off big time. A good portion of us would never get the chance to work at some of the places we work for if not for Waterloo co-op. The degree alone will only get you so far.

I know. I have thought to switch over to a 2nd rate university like my roomate did, but the co-op benefit kept me from doing so. I know we have to make few sacrifices to get additional benefits, is it worth it? I don't know but I'm willing to play it until the end.

[divx]

Yeah really, I'm looking at it right now and it's just telling me everything I said. People got in with low-mid 80s but I don't know. My marks aren't too stellar from my point of view. =/ I guess the only think keeping me above others is the fact that I'm in my school's Student Council? It won't matter too much though...

oh don't worry about it too much man, life is a gamble, if you really want in, then try to apply for it anyway, who knows, maybe last semester's 50% failure rate scared some people off and they have a shortage in students and willing to drop the admission further, then you can get in. But I will tell you this from experience, getting into UW is the easy part, getting out of there is even easier, but getting out of there with a degree is quite hard. Oh yes, if you get the oppertunity, you will know what I mean :cheesygri . I was quite suprised myself, I'm sure you will too.

[FearSonic]

Yes, the arts accounting.

I guess I'm just worried that I won't even get in to my number one choice. I'm not too sure what other schools to get into, Schulich would just put my application down and laugh and then Queens would be friggin hard to get into. My only viable choice right now is UTSC Management Co-op (If I raise my Calculus mark).

I guess the only difference is when schools hear you're from Albert Campbell and you got an 80ish in your maths, they're impressed. We really do have a hard math and science department, the teachers are VERY well learned and are hard as nails. I think there are two or three teachers teaching Calculus (Not sure if the third one is, but she did last year) and two of the three's average marks in class were around 60-65. The other one of the three makes it too easy but he doesn't teach.

[wanted]

try to get a reference letter from an alumni (teacher) at your school.
i remember a member saying that before.

[FearSonic]

An alumni that graduated from Waterloo or an alumni from my school? I mean I could probably get it done but the problem is probably asking who. Most of my teachers know of me as a goof-off but then they appreciate my efforts.. I think.

[wanted]

teacher or anyone else.

[FearSonic]

I wonder if I could get my vice-principal to write me a letter. But do you think a letter from him would even matter?

[cho it up]

marks aren't everything. most high end university's now look at resumes. also look at your extra-curic. activities, etc. just be well rounded. make up for what you can't accomplish academically in other ways.

on another note, for the public accounting UW, what would be my chances if i have a good resume, a decent amount of extra-curic, and around a 88-92 avg?

[Homer88]

I wonder if I could get my vice-principal to write me a letter. But do you think a letter from him would even matter?
I wonder if I can get Lopes to write me one, stupid guy left when I needed him the most. Bleh

[hyperion]

Admission is not based 100% on marks. Make sure to fill out the optional ABS form I believe its called, basically explaining to them why your marks are the way they are and why they should let you in.

[ryan123]

this is wat u should hav done, take the easier courses in sem 1, and harder courses in sem 2. THey only look at the mid term mark of sem 2. My friend got into CE with 86 average as of sem 2, and at the end of sem 2, his english was 68

[mallik]

oh don't worry about it too much man, life is a gamble, if you really want in, then try to apply for it anyway, who knows, maybe last semester's 50% failure rate scared some people off and they have a shortage in students and willing to drop the admission further, then you can get in. But I will tell you this from experience, getting into UW is the easy part, getting out of there is even easier, but getting out of there with a degree is quite hard. Oh yes, if you get the oppertunity, you will know what I mean :cheesygri . I was quite suprised myself, I'm sure you will too.

Man, quit scaring the guy/girl :D


Yes, the arts accounting.

I guess I'm just worried that I won't even get in to my number one choice. I'm not too sure what other schools to get into, Schulich would just put my application down and laugh and then Queens would be friggin hard to get into. My only viable choice right now is UTSC Management Co-op (If I raise my Calculus mark).

I guess the only difference is when schools hear you're from Albert Campbell and you got an 80ish in your maths, they're impressed. We really do have a hard math and science department, the teachers are VERY well learned and are hard as nails. I think there are two or three teachers teaching Calculus (Not sure if the third one is, but she did last year) and two of the three's average marks in class were around 60-65. The other one of the three makes it too easy but he doesn't teach.

You went to Albert Campbell? I heard that school is really really hard. I know people from there that got into programs at UW that they would've had no business getting into with they marks they had. For example getting into a program that required high 80's with low 80's. They got really good marks at UW as well. It's like they learned the university material in high school already.

Anyways, I don't know what the requirements now to get into accounting, especially with no OAC, but work your arse off for the next 2 months and then you'll be coasting. Get a tutor if you have to. I know somebody that had marks similar to yours, maybe a bit higher. He wasn't that good at the maths either, so he took Calculus 3 or 4 times, finally getting an acceptable mark in night school. He got into arts accounting at UW.

[divx]

well if Albert Campbell is as hard as you say they are, then definally explain that on the "resume". I suppose now you have a much better chance. Yes, they do consider the difficulty and reputation of highschools. In that case, you might find UW a bit too easy. And yes, there are people in UW thinks it's too easy, mostly foreigners from over seas and a friend of my who took highschool in Quebec.

[mingming]

UW Accounting has nice girls too. Well, compared to other programs such as engineering, math, science, etc.

[divx]

UW Accounting has nice girls too. Well, compared to other programs such as engineering, math, science, etc.

that's why i'm thinking of take a few of those classes as my electives :cheesygri

[RastaManMax]

UW Accounting has nice girls too. Well, compared to other programs such as engineering, math, science, etc.

Not my year. Anyways, i hate to break it to you but you most likely won't get in. In our year the cutoff for Arts accounting was 89% and Math Accounting was 90%. I believe the cutoff dropped for the years below, however PA now has a higher average to get in because they're trying to equalize the admissions for FM and PA, (PA being the one higher in demand). My high school licked so i had to bust my nards trying to learn how to study and stuff which i should've known i didn't.

My year has the ugliest girls i've ever seen, in fact my math classes have had more hotter chicks. The years above mine have some safe ones and same with the year below, i guess the double cohort is to blame :| .

I hate this school with such a passion it's unbelievable, they'll screw you every way they can and i'm not talking about the work/workload either. The accounting faculty was previously full of older professors that knew what they were doing and now they're getting replaced by some new people teaching for their first time in upper year classes. That among many other things, tuition: $5800 vs. math $2900, etc... Life sucks here and don't let anybody else tell you otherwise.

LEMAR

[mingming]

I dont think it's that bad. I just finished 3A Elec Eng, and even though so far I really havent been impressed with the profs, courses, labs, etc. But other than that I have enjoyed my time in UW. Well, sometimes the city smells like horse ***** and there really isnt much to do, and for a lot of ppl they cant wait for the weekend to go back home to TO, etc. But I have met some great ppl there, some nice looking girls as well.

Yes, I am pointing negatives, but i still have fun when im there, it's how u make of it I guess.

[divx]

Not my year. Anyways, i hate to break it to you but you most likely won't get in. In our year the cutoff for Arts accounting was 89% and Math Accounting was 90%. I believe the cutoff dropped for the years below, however PA now has a higher average to get in because they're trying to equalize the admissions for FM and PA, (PA being the one higher in demand). My high school licked so i had to bust my nards trying to learn how to study and stuff which i should've known i didn't.

My year has the ugliest girls i've ever seen, in fact my math classes have had more hotter chicks. The years above mine have some safe ones and same with the year below, i guess the double cohort is to blame :| .

I hate this school with such a passion it's unbelievable, they'll screw you every way they can and i'm not talking about the work/workload either. The accounting faculty was previously full of older professors that knew what they were doing and now they're getting replaced by some new people teaching for their first time in upper year classes. That among many other things, tuition: $5800 vs. math $2900, etc... Life sucks here and don't let anybody else tell you otherwise.

LEMAR


Man, quit scaring the guy/girl :D

well, do you want to hear what you want to hear or do you want to hear the truth? because the truth may scare you.

fact, life sucks for the majority of the UW students and don't let anyone else tell you otherwise.

[mallik]

Yeah, but you make it sound like it's insanely hard there or something. Yes, some programs are harder there than others (engineering programs), but as with anything, you have to put in some effort if you want to get results.

I know people from different programs there, and some had to work hard while others coasted, but none of them were chained to a desk studying the entire four years. They all mixed social lives with studying.

When you say life sucks there, what do you mean? Do you mean all of the work there is, or the fact that there is nothing to do or no hot women?

[philelmo]

nada

[gei]

fact, life sucks for the majority of the UW students and don't let anyone else tell you otherwise.

I have many friends at waterloo in tough programs and they have exceptionally fun lives, while doing great in their programs too.

if you're some loser with no social skills, then yes, life there probably will suck. Then again, it would suck no matter where you went.

I would suggest ignoring divx's comment.

[divx]

I have many friends at waterloo in tough programs and they have exceptionally fun lives, while doing great in their programs too.

if you're some loser with no social skills, then yes, life there probably will suck. Then again, it would suck no matter where you went.

I would suggest ignoring divx's comment.

my mistake, i forgot to add this. It's quite hard in the 1st semester due to HS transition, but it gets easier and easier after you get used to it. Life gets better after 1st semester. And yes, UW don't have enough girls, but I don't know about the part of having nothing to do. The city may not have much to do but you don't need to worry about that, UW has already solved that problem for you ;)

[gei]

my mistake, i forgot to add this. It's quite hard in the 1st semester due to HS transition, but it gets easier and easier after you get used to it. Life gets better after 1st semester. And yes, UW don't have enough girls, but I don't know about the part of having nothing to do. The city may not have much to do but you don't need to worry about that, UW has already solved that problem for you ;)

perhaps it is a bit harder academically because of the HS transition, but you'll be having so much fun doing frosh activities and partying that you will hardly notice. university is a fun experience, particularly your first year.

[CSR]

I know. I have thought to switch over to a 2nd rate university like my roomate did, but the co-op benefit kept me from doing so. I know we have to make few sacrifices to get additional benefits, is it worth it? I don't know but I'm willing to play it until the end.

Opportunity Cost!

[Rehan]

You don't need to be super smart to do well in UW Engineering....but you do need to work hard...only a few exceptional individuals can do well without grinding through the usual workload. It's going to be no different in the real world after you graduate .

[tonychau]

I do agree with majority of you who study in UW and think the life in UW suck big time. UW is a "geek" university, including myself.

UW is a serious academic environment. I am not joking people. Social life in UW is very weak or barely any. If you are a party person, you will find there are no entertainment outlets on campus or in Waterloo (2-3 clubs). The campus pub (Bomber) is a joke with low attendants every night, even with $2-3 a beer night or $2 pizza night there are still not much of a crowd. Why? The campus pub can't even competitive with their good "quiet" libraries at Davis or Dana Potter, which every night is full. Many students do not want to screw up their marks and life, if you are very party person many will choose to distant you. I hope you find reading your textbooks as a good entertainment for you. You will still meet tons of great people on the campus.

Students’ movement is none, so don't except they will fight for your rights for tuition fee hike or other rights. It's more of a talk then action not like YU's or UT's student strike.

If you are from Toronto, this is what you will look forward every weekend, "and for a lot of ppl they cant wait for the weekend to go back home to TO, etc." :D

The above have given you the idea of "fun" that UW has offers!!! ;)

Final Exams condensed within 3 weeks period from Monday to Saturday like wise UT or YU has over a month for their exam period. I definitely hate Saturday and Friday Night exams.

Have you hear of Reading Dates instead of Reading Week. ENG are so lucky to be treating with Reading Dates just for 3 days off. Believe me the 3 days off are just for catch up assignment or projects. Ain't that fun!

Enough with some of my Good "yesterday" memory in UW!
There are some good facts with UW. The UW co-op is one of the best programs in Canada that help you gaining your work-related experience. Let's not talk about the money, because it is enough to cover your tuition fee and debt free from your study. However, co-op is not everything, some of my friends when through co-op are still have problem in landing their first jobs after graduation.

If you really like UW, maybe transfer to UW after your first year in your other university/college. Actual many times UW's students want to transfer "out" from UW instead that most of my friends did after their first year. :evil:

Best of luck to you!


well, do you want to hear what you want to hear or do you want to hear the truth? because the truth may scare you.

fact, life sucks for the majority of the UW students and don't let anyone else tell you otherwise.

[mallik]

I have many friends at waterloo in tough programs and they have exceptionally fun lives, while doing great in their programs too.

if you're some loser with no social skills, then yes, life there probably will suck. Then again, it would suck no matter where you went.

I agree with this.

Another thing I have noticed is that there are quite a few guys that strut around thinking they're big sh*t, just because it's Waterloo, and quite a few girls that are stuck up and think they're hot stuff, just because it's Waterloo.

[x86asm]

wow, I will cry for you guys everynight :lol:

[divx]

I agree with this.

Another thing I have noticed is that there are quite a few guys that strut around thinking they're big sh*t, just because it's Waterloo, and quite a few girls that are stuck up and think they're hot stuff, just because it's Waterloo.

I'm sure lots people from the big 3, UW, UT, and U of Queen consider themself big sh*t. Don't let that bother you. It's one of the few ways for them to boost their morals to keep themself from switching to an easier school.

hey FearSonic, look on the bright side, you are not applying for the infamous EngSci :lol:

[Dash]

I know. I have thought to switch over to a 2nd rate university like my roomate did, but the co-op benefit kept me from doing so. I know we have to make few sacrifices to get additional benefits, is it worth it? I don't know but I'm willing to play it until the end.

you don't realize it at the time, but when you graduate, and you're working at some multi-billion dollar companies while your friends from other uni's are still unemployed and settling for jobs that aren't in their field, then you'll learn to appreciate it. Not to say that other uni's can't get their students good jobs, but I haven't come across too many students that get jobs at google, morgan stanley, barclays, MS, etc....right out of university w/o co-op experience.

[tonychau]

Oh sweet voluntary support fund of EngSci. I don't think you "apply" for it. It is hidden or included in your tuition fee! :twisted:


hey FearSonic, look on the bright side, you are not applying for the infamous EngSci :lol:

[FearSonic]

Haha, you guys are great.

I still am scared about being able to get in but my extracurricular activities are extremely strong. I mean, I'm not the president of my school council but I am the social head and it does require quite a bit of responsibility.

And yes, Albert Campbell has an extremely challenging math department. My current calculus AND data management teacher (Mr. Laidla, love him.) is EXTREMELY efficient and very well learned. From what he's told me, he used to be in life sciences on his way to becoming a doctor but instead opted out to teach math.. cause he loves math. Yes, the man LOVES MATH. He isn't a particularly hard teacher but his tests are pretty challenging.

But yeah, social life in university.. I was hoping to meet more people and not necessarily party every weekend but you know have a couple get togethers once in a while. Not too worried about getting girls in university because there will be plenty of time to get girls after I graduate and I land a nice job. Okay, not really, but hey, a guy's gotta dream.

Thanks for all your support, comments and critisms people. I'll be trying hard to raise my mark (I've been coming home and doing homework right away lately.) all while keeping up my extracurriculars.

Lastly, to the person who said have my hard subjects in second semester: I have track in second semester and frankly, my marks tend to drop when I'm doing track because I'm always so tired from the morning practices and what not. So yeah, much easier this way.

[flirt]

Look at it this way: each university faculty (not just the school) receives a lot of applications. They dont give a rat's ass about your extra cirricular. Its 100% all of your marks. School pres = not much attn given.

Put yourself in the person reading your application position:

Candidate #1
- 93% average
- tutors on the weekends for math/science (pretty common for a nerd)
- some volunteer work (who doesnt have any..c'mon..)
- does some other "fillers"

Candidate #2 (aka YOU)
- ~83% avg
- class prez
- tons of extracirrcular stuff

Person reading your application wants:
- a student who will stay in school for as long as possible (ie 4 yrs) so that they get (1) cash from your tuition (2) good reputation since the student doesnt drop out -- who wants to be known as a school that flunkes all their students?
- there is a strong colleration between HS marks and UNI marks
- someone who is smart so that when they apply for co-op the employer (aka your big 4 firm) will hire them. Big 4 firms DO NOT want someone with just an average mark. They want someone who can pass the f*cking hard UFE.

In my humble opinion, I think you really need to kick your marks up a notch (hit at least 90%) or don't even waste your money appying to Waterloo.


Why am I being so harsh on you? I was in the exact same position as you (all that great stuff) but got rejected with a 89%! I was class pres, v. popular, etc...and now I'm just a number at U of T. Don't do the same mistake as I did. Get your marks HIGH, 90%+ -- talk to your teachers after class and tell them you want to get into waterloo and ask if they can bump your mark by 1-2% to help your application (this should be np since you are class pres).

[divx]

flirt, what does UFE mean? also, according to you, being class prez gives you the ability to negotiate your HS marks? Maybe I should invite all my profs to supper and negotiate my marks too.

[flirt]

flirt, what does UFE mean? also, according to you, being class prez gives you the ability to negotiate your HS marks? Maybe I should invite all my profs to supper and negotiate my marks too.

UFE (http://www.cica.ca/index.cfm/ci_id/610/la_id/1.htm)

All Canadian-trained CAs must write the profession's uniform evaluation - our UFE. This three-day evaluation challenges CA candidates to demonstrate their proficiency in the CA competencies. To pass the UFE, you must demonstrate that you have acquired the competencies required to begin your professional accounting career.


It's not really negociate the way I see it, more of a sympathy. The teachers know how much stress and work you put into improving student life and hopefully they can lend a hand (thats if do did anything). ;)

[Dash]

I'll agree that UW doesn't offer the social life that perhaps Western or Queens has, but there's plenty to do if you know where to go. I've been to Western, Queen's, Guelph, and UofT campuses to chill and though it's a good time, you can find the same thing in UW.

Rev is definitely up there with a Toronto club in terms of music and crowd. There are way more good looking girls in Toronto, but Rev will have it's fair share on a Friday night.

The new FUBAR formally known as Loosechange was always a nice hangout spot. Always packed with UW and WLU girls.

There's always a kegger or two during the term. you just have to know the right people and keep your eyes open. These are mostly thrown by the fraternity during their Rush weeks.

Waterloo has one of the best parties anywhere for Octoberfest! Hands down!

The thing about Waterloo that I like is that it's a University town. 2 Uni's and a College makes it a really comfortable environment to be in. You meet tons of people, and can do everything from play sports, party, play poker, watch movies, etc...till all hours of the night any night of the week.

Now, I'm not saying Waterloo is a party school, or even one of the best Uni's for it, but as far as not having anything? I don't agree with that. i think what's important is that you have the right FRIENDS and people with you. You need those people who don't walk into a place and just sit by the wall complaining how everything sucks blah blah blah. You need to be around people who can make people like that have a good time. if you don't know what I'm talking about, then you need a new crew.

[Azxster]

OK... why is everyone saying UW is the hardest engineering school?

Most Universities are accredited by the CEAB/CCPE.

They do not change their criteria... so essentially, engineers learn the same thing and are taught the same. So stop the ******** nonsense that UW/UT/Q is harder than the less popular ones like Ryerson.

[FearSonic]

flirt, I am trying to kick up my marks right now but it's hard when you have two classes in your weakest subject. Might as well try hard.

[flirt]

flirt, I am trying to kick up my marks right now but it's hard when you have two classes in your weakest subject. Might as well try hard.

if you think those courses are hard..you may want to reconsider accounting.

its serious math. (see my prev. threads about corp. finance)

many people have a misconception that accounting is a breeze (such as my engineering friends) but it's not.

good luck.

[FearSonic]

I don't think it's a breeze but I don't think I'm going to be finding limits or discontinuities either. I'm not that bad in data management, just that some of the choosing with poker hands threw me off.

[divx]

lucky you, i can't go home in middle of the semester, it really sucks that I have to stay there for the entire semester. you are right about hating during 1st year, that's when it's hard.

[cho it up]

Look at it this way: each university faculty (not just the school) receives a lot of applications. They dont give a rat's ass about your extra cirricular. Its 100% all of your marks. School pres = not much attn given.

Put yourself in the person reading your application position:

Candidate #1
- 93% average
- tutors on the weekends for math/science (pretty common for a nerd)
- some volunteer work (who doesnt have any..c'mon..)
- does some other "fillers"

Candidate #2 (aka YOU)
- ~83% avg
- class prez
- tons of extracirrcular stuff

Person reading your application wants:
- a student who will stay in school for as long as possible (ie 4 yrs) so that they get (1) cash from your tuition (2) good reputation since the student doesnt drop out -- who wants to be known as a school that flunkes all their students?
- there is a strong colleration between HS marks and UNI marks
- someone who is smart so that when they apply for co-op the employer (aka your big 4 firm) will hire them. Big 4 firms DO NOT want someone with just an average mark. They want someone who can pass the f*cking hard UFE.

In my humble opinion, I think you really need to kick your marks up a notch (hit at least 90%) or don't even waste your money appying to Waterloo.


Why am I being so harsh on you? I was in the exact same position as you (all that great stuff) but got rejected with a 89%! I was class pres, v. popular, etc...and now I'm just a number at U of T. Don't do the same mistake as I did. Get your marks HIGH, 90%+ -- talk to your teachers after class and tell them you want to get into waterloo and ask if they can bump your mark by 1-2% to help your application (this should be np since you are class pres).

You are very wrong. A person I knew who applied to Schulich (I think, schulich or UW) got rejected with a 92-93% avg. Why? Not a good resume. It isn't uncommon nowadays to see high avg's and grades for a uni. What distinguishes these grades is extra curriculars, jobs, etc. And I do agree with your example, but if I was Schulich or w/e, I wouldn't accept a person (#1) who hasn't had any work experience. I'm talking about distinguishing two 88-90% marks.

[FearSonic]

I do have work experience but not that much. My parents aren't all too wild about me working this year but I think I'm going to try to land a job in second semester.

[Dash]

i go to waterloo and i totally agree.. i remember how much i hated waterloo in first year.. i would go home every single weekend.. and now.. it's not so bad.. i can stay here for three weeks and survive.. and yeah it's definitely about meeting the right people.. :)

brother, that's nothing compared to UW Stats! You think Poker hands were confusing...wait till you take stats 230! Unless you're smart and go into arts accounting, which imo would be the wise choice if you find High School math challenging.

[RastaManMax]

if you think those courses are hard..you may want to reconsider accounting.

its serious math. (see my prev. threads about corp. finance)

many people have a misconception that accounting is a breeze (such as my engineering friends) but it's not.

good luck.

Hahaha, last summer i had Calculus 3 Monday morning, Corporate Finance the same afternoon and law the next morning. Talk about dying, i've never stared death in the face until then... Won't ever forget August 9th... Wasn't even an overload with the new 4 exam slot finals...

Hahahah, i'm taking Stat 230 right now too, i'm getting OWNED, but still i don't know if CS 133 is owning me worse or Stat 230. I thought that my previous programming would help me out, however they covered what i knew in 1 lecture.

The funny part is that each semester i spend at least 10 times more time on my math courses than the Accounting ones.

LEMAR

[RastaManMax]

brother, that's nothing compared to UW Stats! You think Poker hands were confusing...wait till you take stats 230! Unless you're smart and go into arts accounting, which imo would be the wise choice if you find High School math challenging.

I agree, if you go into math you will get some serious ownage. I think our year, (double cohort), is the worst for getting owned, our prof made the tests harder because the class average was too high. The guy sitting next to me had 99-100% in all his math courses that semester and never wrote anything in class, just read the coursenotes as the prof taught :|.

High school math i was on top of my school, here i'm farrrrrrrrr from it so if you're struggling, avoid at all costs, unless your school is one of the harder ones, (mine wasn't).

LEMAR

[sorjue]

Gosh I feel so old with all you university kids and high school kids posting.

So I graduated in 2000 from U of T Commerce. All told, I was a university "student" for 6 years if you count my one year studying abroad and one year working co-op. My year away I could only study electives since they used different accounting standards than North America thus increasing my studies a year.

Grades to get in are different every year but generally should be at least mid 80's. Actually never mind, should be higher now since the double cohort limits resources (even though your year isn't a double). So back in my day when the year began with a 1, I had an 86% avg and got into UT/Queens/Waterloo math accounting co-op thing you're applying to). However, I got both an academic and athletic letter from my activities but I don't think it made that much of a difference. I chose UT to save my parents money.

If your reason for going to Waterloo is cause of Co-op, i'd say that's short sighted because many Universities have co-op. At U of T, they have the PEY (Professional Experience Year) program. Instead of doing 4, 4 month co-op terms, you work 1 16 month term. The positives are you actually get to do real work and projects you can't do on a 4 month, bad part is that you get to experience only 1 company). Mac also does the 16th month thing.

Old man advice alert!
Now the thing you should be worried about is not the University, but your career after. Waterloo is a great University. Every grad I've met is really intelligent and well prepared (I mostly know eng students for some reason). They all have got great jobs. However, now that I'm actually in a position to hire people, I have found people care less and less about this once you're in the workforce for 2 or more years. The biggest help is when you are a fresh grad. However, if you're not that strong at math, I highly recommend you do not go to Waterloo. High school math is a joke. At least for me it was. I could get 90's without blinking an eye and believe me, I'm not a natural at it. In University, I went in with that arrogance and it cost me. Not studying now gave me high 60's my first couple years. It was only my last year when I decided to try and see if it was me or the material that I had the mid 80's average.

Now I do have a point to all this. Though my last year's average was good, you do your job applications during the last year so they look at your first 3 years marks. If you don't think you will be able to pull at least a B average at Waterloo, go to a program more suited to your strengths. You will not believe how many Ryerson students get hired because their grades are in the 80's while a sweatshop like U of T with a much bigger program are shafted because of bell curves etc. I'm not saying you won't get a good education at Ryerson, just saying it's easier to get better grades (I currently tutor several Ryerson students). It is better to be top 10% at a university than bottom 50% at Waterloo etc. for your first job.

Bottom line, don't think Waterloo is your only option to get to the same goal. However, if you work your butt of (this includes avoiding temptations like getting drunk instead of studying), you can succeed at ANY university as long as you're not totally unsuited for that area of study.

Overall I'm happy though, at U of T I got to work 16 months and study in another country for a year and I work in the toy industry (one of dreams growing up). If I had gone to Waterloo, my less than stellar work ethic, natural math skills, might have meant graduating at the bottom with no solid job offers.

Hope this was helpful rather than a rambling old fool.
PM me if you want even more details about how to avoid the same mistakes I made :)

[philelmo]

yes.. i feel old too at 23.. feels so strange that wanted.. at 1989 is already in grade 11, you know what I mean? like the 1990's kids are turning into teens when I still remembered they were babies..
WOW

can't imagine what i'd feel later on... the kids are also getting smarter and smarter, you notice that?

[wanted]

yes.. i feel old too at 23.. feels so strange that wanted.. at 1989 is already in grade 11, you know what I mean? like the 1990's kids are turning into teens when I still remembered they were babies..
WOW

can't imagine what i'd feel later on... the kids are also getting smarter and smarter, you notice that?

i heard it was the opposite, because there's no OAC.

[philelmo]

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I don't know...I just remember reading it once.
PS, did you really remember me as a baby?

[philelmo]

I don't know...I just remember reading it once.
PS, did you really remember me as a baby?
yeah man! saw you back in 89... the good old days, i was 7.. remember? in china town?

[wanted]

yeah man! saw you back in 89... the good old days, i was 7.. remember? in china town?

amazing...sorry I couldn't speak.
We could've had some fun, go PriceMatching before it was popular. >:(

[philelmo]

amazing...sorry I couldn't speak.
We could've had some fun, go PriceMatching before it was popular. >:(
exactly.. i had a good deal man.. red hot, i let you know, buy you cried when you heard.. so... :confused:

[divx]

i agree with sorjue, it's better to be a big fish in a little pond than a little fish in a big pond, i'm not naming any universities, but you should know which are 1st rate, which are 2nd rate, and which are 3rd rate.

[FearSonic]

Well, my applications will be to Waterloo, Queens, Schulich, UTSC, and one other school. Not sure if these are the smartest choices...

[setell]

you don't realize it at the time, but when you graduate, and you're working at some multi-billion dollar companies while your friends from other uni's are still unemployed and settling for jobs that aren't in their field, then you'll learn to appreciate it. Not to say that other uni's can't get their students good jobs, but I haven't come across too many students that get jobs at google, morgan stanley, barclays, MS, etc....right out of university w/o co-op experience.

Please keep in mind what field of study and job you're referring to. You can be a secretary at MS making 35k a year?? is that a good job??? just because you're at MS doesn't mean you're better off than other people with smaller companies. I have to say I defend my univ with all my heart. I went to Dalhousie Univ here in NS and it was a good experience. I just graduated with a BSc with a Major in Chemistry and a minor in Business. If you're bashing the programs other univ's have please don't as it points out how small minded you are. All through univ I worked at the Dalhousie Univ Registrar's Office to make some extra money. I know a lot of the inside information that other people don't. Working at the RO I learned that all higher institutions in the country are good. They are all accredited, meaning they have to be teaching at a certain level and follow certain rules. I do have to say certain univ's will specialize in certain fields of study that make them better than others. It gives them a comparative advantage over the other univ's but that doesn't mean they are any less good. I know who in Canada offers the best graduate analytical chemistry program. Can anybody guess?? it's Univ of Alberta. Yes, good old UofA is the best in the country with my speciality. Yes Waterloo has a great engineering and computer science program. All the major companies you just mentioned are in the CS field and that's it. Do you know who is the best in Law, Medicine, Accounting, business admin, science etc.....

Just don't socialize that oh I'm going Waterloo and I'm freaky smart as you can be a dumb ass that's at the bottom of the class while somebody else going to a smaller more relaxing atmoshpere univ will do much better and is learning the same thing. Also the only thing that Waterloo is known for is their math program which translate into Math majors, Engineering, and Computer Science. I've never heard that their business program as that highly recommended.

To the OP, if you're just looking for a co-op program, don't let your idea of going to a good reputable univ cloud your judgement. I know that Dalhousie offers a great co-op program to all their commerce students. Whether you can find a job after graduating depends on how well you preform. I've seen people that graduated from Dalhousie that went on to be marketing excutives with Fraser and Hoyt to working at the local electronic store. Please understand how you find a job also depends on your ability to convince your employer that you can do the job at the quality they want you to. Aside from learning all the mathmatical calculations out there and the highest level of calculus it will not land you a good job you'll enjoy unless you like to be all by yourself. Just go with what you want out of life and a career.

My sister is graduating this year from high school as well to and she plans on going to Law school. I've worked it out with her to maximize what she's good at so her chances of getting into any law school will be greatly better than your average Joe. It's all about knowing and understanding that in the end nobody will really care where you got your bloody degree. I have come to realize it.

[Anessa]

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[B40]

Well, my applications will be to Waterloo, Queens, Schulich, UTSC, and one other school. Not sure if these are the smartest choices...

Don't forget a safety school just in case...my safety school offered me an $8k scholarship, $2k per year. :lol:

[Anessa]

York or U of Ont? that's always a good safety net.

[Dash]

Please keep in mind what field of study and job you're referring to. You can be a secretary at MS making 35k a year?? is that a good job??? just because you're at MS doesn't mean you're better off than other people with smaller companies. I have to say I defend my univ with all my heart. I went to Dalhousie Univ here in NS and it was a good experience. I just graduated with a BSc with a Major in Chemistry and a minor in Business. If you're bashing the programs other univ's have please don't as it points out how small minded you are. All through univ I worked at the Dalhousie Univ Registrar's Office to make some extra money. I know a lot of the inside information that other people don't. Working at the RO I learned that all higher institutions in the country are good. They are all accredited, meaning they have to be teaching at a certain level and follow certain rules. I do have to say certain univ's will specialize in certain fields of study that make them better than others. It gives them a comparative advantage over the other univ's but that doesn't mean they are any less good. I know who in Canada offers the best graduate analytical chemistry program. Can anybody guess?? it's Univ of Alberta. Yes, good old UofA is the best in the country with my speciality. Yes Waterloo has a great engineering and computer science program. All the major companies you just mentioned are in the CS field and that's it. Do you know who is the best in Law, Medicine, Accounting, business admin, science etc.....

Just don't socialize that oh I'm going Waterloo and I'm freaky smart as you can be a dumb ass that's at the bottom of the class while somebody else going to a smaller more relaxing atmoshpere univ will do much better and is learning the same thing. Also the only thing that Waterloo is known for is their math program which translate into Math majors, Engineering, and Computer Science. I've never heard that their business program as that highly recommended.

To the OP, if you're just looking for a co-op program, don't let your idea of going to a good reputable univ cloud your judgement. I know that Dalhousie offers a great co-op program to all their commerce students. Whether you can find a job after graduating depends on how well you preform. I've seen people that graduated from Dalhousie that went on to be marketing excutives with Fraser and Hoyt to working at the local electronic store. Please understand how you find a job also depends on your ability to convince your employer that you can do the job at the quality they want you to. Aside from learning all the mathmatical calculations out there and the highest level of calculus it will not land you a good job you'll enjoy unless you like to be all by yourself. Just go with what you want out of life and a career.

My sister is graduating this year from high school as well to and she plans on going to Law school. I've worked it out with her to maximize what she's good at so her chances of getting into any law school will be greatly better than your average Joe. It's all about knowing and understanding that in the end nobody will really care where you got your bloody degree. I have come to realize it.

well, I mentioned 2 tech companies and 2 financial companies. And my main point is not so much the program, but the co-op. Working experience on top of your degree is key. Waterloo is the best for co-op, and can make it substantially easier to get your foot in the door for a lot of good companies that might not even consider you otherwise. And no, not as receptionists.

[sorjue]

Great, just when I was feeling old, a 23 year old whipper snapper comes along and makes me feel older hehe...

THEN someone had to go and ask what OAC was... sigh...

Back in my day we had to do 5 years of high school, not 4... it went to 4 cause the bloody Harris gov't cared more about cutting costs then education. The sad part is anyone could easily graduate in 4 years back then if they wanted to. Now the people who needed that 5th year the most, the struggling students, newcomers to Canada etc., get the shaft and are made to feel like failures if they don't graduate in 4.

Want more scary tales? Back in my day my high school had more computers than any school in Canada but NONE of them had microsoft software. They were Unisys machines! I know you kids don't know what that is.. but it was bad. The keyboards had built in mouseballs or whatever they were called. In grade 9 my friend got his uber 386 computer with a 20mb hard drive.

The music we had was on walkman's... tapes baby! We had to take our time dubbing.. no fancy lime-wire.

We still did essays in pen and all research was in a library.. we didn't have that fancy in-ter-net.

And our computer's sound? All midi sound!

However.. the TTC is still as crappy as ever I've noticed :cheesygri

[Daboss]

who do they think they are? the #1 university in canada? well yes, yes they are.

LOL, that gave me a good laugh. Waterloo...rotflmao.

[divx]

Well, my applications will be to Waterloo, Queens, Schulich, UTSC, and one other school. Not sure if these are the smartest choices...
let us know which one you end up, oh, is the big 3 ut, uw, and u of queen?

[x86asm]

Want more scary tales? Back in my day my high school had more computers than any school in Canada but NONE of them had microsoft software. They were Unisys machines! I know you kids don't know what that is.. but it was bad. The keyboards had built in mouseballs or whatever they were called. In grade 9 my friend got his uber 386 computer with a 20mb hard drive.


And our computer's sound? All midi sound!

However.. the TTC is still as crappy as ever I've noticed :cheesygri


how about a 386SX 16Mhz, 2MB RAM and a 40MB HDD. That was my machine circa 92, 93.


And please dont diss FM synthesis :)

[sorjue]

how about a 386SX 16Mhz, 2MB RAM and a 40MB HDD. That was my machine circa 92, 93.


And please dont diss FM synthesis :)

Ahh.. then I owned you back then! I remember in 92 (I was in grade 11) I got my first ever PC.
486 100mhz, 80mb hard drive i think and a whopping 16mb ram. Cost me like $4000! I still have it and it still works hehe.. the first computer I used to surf the net with in 1995.. ahhh my old 2400 buad modem. The 2 minute load for each webpage with 3 or 4 pics.. haha

[B40]

None because your biased English teacher pwn3d you hahaha

[krash322]

Go to Ryerson for accounting. It's a highly respected university for this field, as is their business program as a whole. I went to UofT and learned nuttin. Went to Ryerson and learned a great deal of useful stuff you need to know in the real world. Yes, you may be better off in a co-op program, but Ryerson offers so many other things that UW does not, such as TONS of cute girls and great parties. You can get a great education and have fun at the same time, which is what university life should be about.

[x86asm]

Ahh.. then I owned you back then! I remember in 92 (I was in grade 11) I got my first ever PC.
486 100mhz, 80mb hard drive i think and a whopping 16mb ram. Cost me like $4000! I still have it and it still works hehe.. the first computer I used to surf the net with in 1995.. ahhh my old 2400 buad modem. The 2 minute load for each webpage with 3 or 4 pics.. haha

damn it, that was a nice machine back then!. It could have ran Duke Nukem 3D and some other hi-end games. The game would refuse to start on my 386 lol.

[sears_sucks]

Want more scary tales? Back in my day my high school had more computers than any school in Canada but NONE of them had microsoft software. They were Unisys machines! I know you kids don't know what that is.. but it was bad. The keyboards had built in mouseballs or whatever they were called. i

You can dismiss the ICONS all you want, but i bet you used to love playing animals of ontario or the lyon mackenzie rebellion games. Especially after a long boring programming class on WATCOM BASIC.

:!:

[7jai]

Kinda getting scared of which university I'm going to get into. My marks aren't STELLAR but my semester is somewhat hard for me (I'm weak at maths) as I have two maths.

I saw in the Info69 book that last year they admitted 80, count em, EIGHTY people for the accounting co-op.Yeesh! Stiff competition!

Okay, so my marks are hovering mid 70s to mid 80s. It's something like this:

Calculus - 73
Data Management - 76
English - 84
Exercise Science - 85

Next semester, I have Organizational Studies, Accounting, International Business and Personal Fitness. I'm not scared about next semester as I'm fully prepared to do the work and it won't be too hard with THOSE subjects. I just want to know how much harder I'm going to need to work for Calculus and Data Management? I'm shooting for near perfects on my next few tests but I'd like to know how good it has to be. >_>

Damn me and being weak at math. The future just freaks me out with how well some people are doing. =/


Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but the financial accounting coop program at UW is one of the hardest programs to get into. You will need a severe amount of high marks to get in. I would say even with a low 90 average, that is really stretching it.

My cousin was in the program, she got a 96 average in high school and got admitted. No repeats, all her maths, were above mid 90's etc...

[FearSonic]

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but the financial accounting coop program at UW is one of the hardest programs to get into. You will need a severe amount of high marks to get in. I would say even with a low 90 average, that is really stretching it.

My cousin was in the program, she got a 96 average in high school and got admitted. No repeats, all her maths, were above mid 90's etc...

Oh this topic's still alive?

My marks have gone up quite a bit, it isn't mid 90s average, but eh, I'm trying. *cheers for himself* .. *cries*

[x86asm]

Oh this topic's still alive?

My marks have gone up quite a bit, it isn't mid 90s average, but eh, I'm trying. *cheers for himself* .. *cries*

B40 revived it lol :lol:

[Hogo]

Just another option for you to consider- Brock's Co-op accounting, its second only to waterloo

[dont.wanna.study]

I got in (but didn't go).. i had an 89 avg... the entrance letter came with a requirement that you must maintain an 87 to keep your admission. this was after double cohort.

[dont.wanna.study]

If I remember correctly, I don't think you need gr 12 maths for waterloo accounting.. why don't you just take bird courses to get the high 80s you need?

[FearSonic]

If I remember correctly, I don't think you need gr 12 maths for waterloo accounting.. why don't you just take bird courses to get the high 80s you need?

It's a bit late, and I wanted to keep my doors open for any other things.

[divx]

If I remember correctly, I don't think you need gr 12 maths for waterloo accounting.. why don't you just take bird courses to get the high 80s you need?
i took bird courses, hopefully i will have enough free slots for option in management science