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ch1zo

Sep 27th, 2005, 11:43 AM

THIS IS FOR RAPTOR FANS...
just wanna see your thoughts on our new rookies
i think they will do well...they seem to have a lot potential esp Joey Graham and that Charlie Villanueva. As for the point guard position i have not seen Jose Calderon ever play b4 so I cannot judge him, but it seems like hes got some european experience.

cant wait for the season to start!!
GO RAPS!

yayawhoo2003

Sep 27th, 2005, 12:01 PM

I think that if the rookies get playing time they will do okay. I like Villeneuva but the others I'm not too crazy about. I also think that the Rap's are going to end up under 500 again this season.

Yaowsers

Sep 27th, 2005, 12:14 PM

suck then request to be traded

Capt.

Sep 27th, 2005, 05:50 PM

I don't have very high expectations for the new rooks or the Raptors team in general this year.

Ziggy007

Sep 27th, 2005, 06:48 PM

CV 7PPG, 3RPG
JG 12PPG, 5RPG

Both will be outplayed by players drafted behind them

Geologic

Sep 27th, 2005, 07:12 PM

The rooks will suck, the raps will suffer yet another losing season, and the toronto raptors will be the las vegas raptors soon time. :lol:

wanted

Sep 27th, 2005, 07:13 PM

suck, because rob babcock sucks, so whatever he does will suck.

Hanniganite

Sep 27th, 2005, 07:52 PM

Well, at least there was 1 positive comment before all the hating...

It's too early to tell because they're not even in training camp yet...I personally take an optimistic view and think they'll do OK. I think Graham will be a good active player on defense and can also score hustle points. Hopefully CV plays with confidence and can put up some points as well as rebound. I don't think it's wholly unrealistic for either or both of them to average double digit PPG and maybe about 5 RPG. I don't know how much playing time Calderon will see (this will be mainly in Rafer's hands) but I don't think he'll hurt the team.

Audiogenic

Sep 28th, 2005, 11:22 AM

It doesn't really matter what the Raptor rookies do as long as both Petty and Babcock continue to run the orginazation into the ground.

Eternia

Sep 28th, 2005, 02:19 PM

It doesn't really matter what the Raptor rookies do as long as both Petty and Babcock continue to run the orginazation into the ground.
So Babcock screws up for one year and doesn't get a second year to redeem himself? Nice.

yayawhoo2003

Sep 28th, 2005, 03:16 PM

mingcourt

Sep 28th, 2005, 03:27 PM

yayawhoo2003

Sep 28th, 2005, 03:42 PM

How Bonner deserves a starting spot on the roster, I dont know.

He cant play defense! He's a great shooter... I expect the ball to go into the net when he releases it (which is hard to find around the league)

But he's just that, a shooter.

Other than that... overrated.

This year Bonner will average at least 10ppg/6rpg. Your right he may lack a little on defence but he makes up for it in hussle and heart. He's still learning the NBA game the more minutes he gets the better he'll become.

Jay C

Sep 28th, 2005, 04:57 PM

I gave up on this team years ago, after they traded away all their great players.

sleepyguy

Sep 28th, 2005, 05:01 PM

Nothing... Raps stink. With Rafer (Bosh?) leading the team I have ZERO confidence in this squad.

Makaveli2k

Sep 28th, 2005, 08:20 PM

Here's who I think the Raps should start every game: Keep Arraujo and the others as subs. I think that would be a strong starting five if alston can distribute the ball properly, and mo pete/rose can pick up their defense.

Bosh C
Bonner PF
Peterson SF
Rose SG
Alston PG
Too many holes in that lineup. Bosh is O.k but I wouldn't put him at center other people would eat him. If he was serious about bulking up he would have long time ago. I bet you Cory magette can post up CB4. Bonner isn't really a starting lineup player, he could be with a little more confidence and driving the ball and some work on his defence.Peterson is inconsistant thats it otherwise he's good. Rose is a good player but lacks the players with the ability and the talent to make him function as he would normally(used too) do. alston is a great PG but he needs to clean the attitude up.

ch1zo

Sep 28th, 2005, 08:33 PM

im a true raptor fan...
nonetheless, i can see the faults of mangement but is till think they will do ok this season. if anything better than last yr cuz now they have charlie and bosh as PF...which will put more pressure for the defence which leaves our shooters wide open for 3's and open shots (bonner, peterson, rose).

give them a chance...they are in a transition stage just wait til they are all healthy!

wanted

Sep 28th, 2005, 08:47 PM

Chris Bosh is rated 84, in NBA Live 06.

mingcourt

Sep 28th, 2005, 09:54 PM

This year Bonner will average at least 10ppg/6rpg. Your right he may lack a little on defence but he makes up for it in hussle and heart. He's still learning the NBA game the more minutes he gets the better he'll become.

I admire heart and hussle as well. But that in no means, makes up for defence.

poppa

Sep 28th, 2005, 11:57 PM

The rooks will suck, the raps will suffer yet another losing season, and the toronto raptors will be the las vegas raptors soon time. :lol:

Raptors aren't going anywhere for a LONG TIME! You do know that Maple Leaf Sports & Entertainment (MLSE) owns the Raptors right? The same MLSE that's spending 40mil on renovations, the same MLSE that is in partnership to build Maple Leaf Square.

Heck, even the Blue Jays are still around, and they will continue to exist in Toronto for many more years.

vpsxn

Sep 29th, 2005, 04:13 AM

I think that Joey and Jose will be solid for us. Charlie on the otherhand, is probably going to be inconsistent but will put up ROTY numbers.

Ziggy007

Sep 29th, 2005, 08:38 AM

Bosh will not play C this year unless in a dire situation. CB doesn't like playing C and keeping him happy is Babcock's only chance to do something right with this franchise. Keep Bosh happy to resign him for the future, or play him at C so he can run off in free agency.

Headhunter

Sep 29th, 2005, 11:14 AM

Chris Bosh is rated 84, in NBA Live 06.
There's no better authority than EA, which lets me block Earl Boykins 15x in a quarter and has Derek Fisher shooting 25-28 from 3-point range to bury my team...

Geologic

Sep 30th, 2005, 02:25 AM

Raptors aren't going anywhere for a LONG TIME! You do know that Maple Leaf Sports & Entertainment (MLSE) owns the Raptors right? The same MLSE that's spending 40mil on renovations, the same MLSE that is in partnership to build Maple Leaf Square.

Heck, even the Blue Jays are still around, and they will continue to exist in Toronto for many more years.

I meant it as being more of a sarcastic remark. I was a raptor fan once and I don't believe the management they have now willl get them anywhere, that's all.

killbillvol1

Sep 30th, 2005, 02:41 AM

Disappointing season up ahead, barring some downright miraculous player moves. CV will show great physical capability, but lack of mental agility will kill him. Graham will be a hardworker, decent athelete but lack of talent and relatively short size (and short arms) for a swingman will hurt him.

SwiZz

Sep 30th, 2005, 09:35 AM

Look at it this way....

The Chicago Bulls were in the lottery for sooooo many years after the Michael Jordan era, getting all these young players, and after a couple of rough seasons, look at where they are. They have a great core group of talented players, and they're all pretty much very early in their NBA careers and they had a great season last year and they're only going to go up from here.

If the Raptors are in the lottery for another year or two, I wouldn't mind, cause I know we can't possibly get any worse....I think I'm more excited about this year than I was the last. Just to see how they new "youth" movement goes. And I'll still look forward to each year after that.

bluetroll

Sep 30th, 2005, 10:02 AM

Araujo will step up this season.

SwiZz

Sep 30th, 2005, 10:13 AM

Araujo will step up this season.

Well its not like he could get any worse :lol:

j/k....i'm sure he definitely will. I hope he proves a lot of the Toronto fans wrong this season....

Thing is, I'd hate to be a player coming back this season when I know that as soon as I step on the floor this season, I'm going to get booed like crazy.

I really hope the fans don't boo him, especially in the first few weeks of games. Give the guy a chance to do well before you destroy his confidence. Everyone deserves a fresh start after an off-season. Except Antonio Davis. He's a jerk. :cheesygri

Araujo's agent said he has no hard feelings towards the Toronto fans, is 20 lbs lighter this season, and is in the best shape he's ever been, and is looking forward to proving a lot of people wrong. I really hope this translates into some great play by him. All he needs to do is rebound and a few points every night. That alone would be a great step up for our team.

actyper

Sep 30th, 2005, 12:38 PM

Check out ESPN's power rankings. Bottom of the list :D

rdtx2002

Sep 30th, 2005, 12:54 PM

suck, because rob babcock sucks, so whatever he does will suck.

what a stupid lame ass comment with no backing

mallik

Sep 30th, 2005, 01:07 PM

Check out ESPN's power rankings. Bottom of the list :D

What a shock. It's nice to see they backed it up with some valid comments too :rolleyes:

Anessa

Sep 30th, 2005, 01:27 PM

"I'd fire him." -- Former 76ers owner Pat Croce, asked what he'd do to Raptors GM Rob Babcock if he worked for him.

mallik

Sep 30th, 2005, 01:34 PM

"I'd fire him." -- Former 76ers owner Pat Croce, asked what he'd do to Raptors GM Rob Babcock if he worked for him.

LOL, when did he say that? Isn't he too busy travelling across the country saving families?

Anessa

Sep 30th, 2005, 01:42 PM

killbillvol1

Sep 30th, 2005, 02:07 PM

Headhunter

Sep 30th, 2005, 02:28 PM

"I'd fire him." -- Former 76ers owner Pat Croce, asked what he'd do to Raptors GM Rob Babcock if he worked for him.
With anonymity, reporters would be hard pressed to find an owner who wouldn't say that.

spike-spiegel

Sep 30th, 2005, 03:12 PM

ESPN Power Rankings:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/powerranking?season=2006&week=-1

Dead last? Ouch. I think the ESPN NBA Analysts are still shocked about the CV pick.

I think Babcock's comment was taken out of context. I think he was asked how do you think the team will do this year, and his full statement was something like well we have some young players and there will be good times and bad times. on paper i wouldn't be surprised if we lose more games than last year. and then something about transistory/development year.

So I think the media just jumped on the opportunity to make him look more like an idiot on this one.

Eternia

Sep 30th, 2005, 04:02 PM

Croce has always been outspoken - and funny. Unfortunately the Raps brass lack any kind of personality and vision, and I think they'll let Babcock stay in control and hurt the franchise for quite some time.

Argh, why can't this time hire a proper coach and a moderately savvy GM?
What's so bad about Mitchell? He's rather entertaining with the media and did a decent job with what he had last season (possible exception could be Carter).

mallik

Sep 30th, 2005, 05:25 PM

Pat Croce provides some great sound bites for the media besides saving families in LA and TX. While talking on The Best Damned Sports Show this week he was asked what he would do if Raps GM Rob Babock worked for him. Without hesitation Croce said, "I'd fire him." I've tried to support Babcock but his comments this summer about the team being worse next season really irked me. What happened to giving your fans hope for the upcoming season? I like his draft picks this summer but his draft two summers ago (Hoffa... argh!) and his deal with Jersey were atrocious. I say the Raps front office give him until the All-Star break to see if his picks work out. If the team's floundering and looking hopeless - like Babcock himself predicted this month - then I won't be surprised to see the Raps cut him loose.

Croce's a funny guy. When he was an executive with the Sixers, he was always outspoken; he reminded of me Mark Cuban. What happened to him though? Didn't he have a high position in the Sixers organization, similar to what Richard Peddie has?

It's funny that you mention the Carter trade and the draft pick from 2 years ago. I wonder what Croce thinks the Sixers could get if Iverson were put on the trading block, or what he thinks of the Sixers' past drafts and trades.

I really don't see what the big deal was with Babcock's comments. JP Ricciardi makes comments like that all the time, but he never gets criticizes for it. In fact, he barely ever gets criticized for anything. More like the opposite, he gets praise as if he's executive of the year. Babcock on the other hand gets bashed for everything he says and does. He could go take a crap in the toilet, and the fans and media would construe that as him thinking the Raptors will be crap, and lobby for him to get fired.

He may very well prove to be as horrible as he is being portrayed (although that remains to be seen), but he may be the best executive of the major Toronto sports teams, although that's not saying much.

needie

Sep 30th, 2005, 05:35 PM

Check out ESPN's power rankings. Bottom of the list :D

Take a look at last year's power rankings and you'll know how unpredictable it is.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/powerranking?season=2005&week=-1

Hanniganite

Sep 30th, 2005, 06:11 PM

Take a look at last year's power rankings and you'll know how unpredictable it is.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/powerranking?season=2005&week=-1

Seattle at 29 :lol:
Not quite sure why so many Raptors "fans" don't understand the meaning of rebuilding. Does everyone also consider the Jays to be a team in disarray?

killbillvol1

Sep 30th, 2005, 08:11 PM

IIRC Croce was either the owner or a majority owner of the sixers back in the day.

I think Babcock may be the worst exec in pro sports - not only does he make blunders, he tries to put the most shallow spin on them.

Croce's a funny guy. When he was an executive with the Sixers, he was always outspoken; he reminded of me Mark Cuban. What happened to him though? Didn't he have a high position in the Sixers organization, similar to what Richard Peddie has?

It's funny that you mention the Carter trade and the draft pick from 2 years ago. I wonder what Croce thinks the Sixers could get if Iverson were put on the trading block, or what he thinks of the Sixers' past drafts and trades.

I really don't see what the big deal was with Babcock's comments. JP Ricciardi makes comments like that all the time, but he never gets criticizes for it. In fact, he barely ever gets criticized for anything. More like the opposite, he gets praise as if he's executive of the year. Babcock on the other hand gets bashed for everything he says and does. He could go take a crap in the toilet, and the fans and media would construe that as him thinking the Raptors will be crap, and lobby for him to get fired.

He may very well prove to be as horrible as he is being portrayed (although that remains to be seen), but he may be the best executive of the major Toronto sports teams, although that's not saying much.

killbillvol1

Sep 30th, 2005, 08:20 PM

What's so bad about Mitchell? He's rather entertaining with the media and did a decent job with what he had last season (possible exception could be Carter).

Terrible coach IMO - devloped rifts with players, sacrificed wins to develop 'discipline' - ironically something the didn't show on the court at all and there were a copule of games especially where coaching cost us the game. No identity to the team, inconsistent consistently, too egotistical IMO.

He may turn out to be a great coach eventually, but this franchise can't keep gambling.

mallik

Sep 30th, 2005, 09:27 PM

IIRC Croce was either the owner or a majority owner of the sixers back in the day.

I think Babcock may be the worst exec in pro sports - not only does he make blunders, he tries to put the most shallow spin on them.

Well, he is definately not the worst exec in pro sports. Off the top of my head, I can of somebody who's worse: Mike Milbury. Even if we're just talking NBA, Isiah Thomas easily has him beat for that title.

He may not be good with the PR, but he's not that bad of a GM.

Eternia

Sep 30th, 2005, 11:09 PM

Terrible coach IMO - devloped rifts with players, sacrificed wins to develop 'discipline' - ironically something the didn't show on the court at all and there were a copule of games especially where coaching cost us the game. No identity to the team, inconsistent consistently, too egotistical IMO.

He may turn out to be a great coach eventually, but this franchise can't keep gambling.
What would we do for the slim chance of getting into the playoffs as the 8th seed? Get knocked out in 4 games (Although it would be nice to get back in but just to get swept and go into the next season with a mid-low first round pick to do it over again doesn't sound great in the long run)? He does has his faults with some players but how can one control a player saying he wants to 'quit' after a game? How about Eric Williams not wanting to be here, plays like crap, loses playing time and then demands a trade? Rose whining about playing time and calls when his defense just gets worse by each passing day?

An okay roster at the beginning of the season just became one big flawed unit. It's hard to win with only one player with star material in Bosh who doesn't even get the ball enough. Hopefully with the addition of new players that might actually listen to the coach will help the team to be a more cohesive unit.

spike-spiegel

Sep 30th, 2005, 11:49 PM

An okay roster at the beginning of the season just became one big flawed unit. It's hard to win with only one player with star material in Bosh who doesn't even get the ball enough. Hopefully with the addition of new players that might actually listen to the coach will help the team to be a more cohesive unit.

Also rookies are hungry. None of the rookies on the Raps' roster got a hefty contract, so if they want to play for the money they'll have to play good. Maybe they want to win, prove to themselves and others. Any way, rookies are usually hungry to prove something. For example, if CV is motivated to prove the Raptors right for picking him #7, then how can that not be a good thing.