Is it illegal to poison pigeons?

[Byrns]

I'm sick of these filthy mofo's taking dumps on my patio (I live in a 3 storey condo). Can I poison them?

[Hulkster]

Feed them those pills where it makes them explode.

[guest913]

ya. it's illegal.

Wave when you go on CityTV as the PIGEON KILLER

[15-20_God]

the law says you're allowed to poison anything you want if it makes a mess on your private property.

[guest913]

the law says you're allowed to poison anything you want if it makes a mess on your private property.

lol... so if construction workers starts making a mess your lawn, you can lay out poison?

[Asun]

Feed them with baking soda. They'll literally explode. Warning: Might be messy.

[wanted]

get a scarepigeon

[15-20_God]

lol... so if construction workers starts making a mess your lawn, you can lay out poison?

definitely. as long as they are on your property you are free to do whatever you want to them. the law is on your side.

[ch1zo]

Feed them with baking soda. They'll literally explode. Warning: Might be messy.

haha have u tried this already....
damn i wouldnt want to see what it looks like :cheesygri

[UrbanPoet]

definitely. as long as they are on your property you are free to do whatever you want to them. the law is on your side.

what if i were to shoot it from my property with an air gun?

[Avenger]

what if i were to shoot it from my property with an air gun?
If nobody sees it or catches it, it isn't illegal :p

[kilarney]

Get an exterminator

[devious9191]

A guy I work with is determined to poison cigarette butts and eliminate the homeless problem :|

[KennethToronto]

There are probably easier ways to rid yourself of the pigeon problem than to poison them.

[HowEver]

I'm sick of these filthy mofo's taking dumps on my patio (I live in a 3 storey condo). Can I poison them?


I hope you get the assistance you need.

[HughG]

rememeber the golden rule.

everything is legal unless you get caught.

[Byrns]

There are probably easier ways to rid yourself of the pigeon problem than to poison them.

Easier than poisoning? I'm not injecting them.

Step 1. Buy poison pellets
Step 2. Pour poisoned pellets\food on patio
Step 3. Enjoy

[WiZZLa]

Has anyone actually seen the pigeon + alka seltzer or pigeon + baking soda thing work? I can't find any videos of it, nor anyone that has seen it first hand.

[me!]

when i was a kid in Hawaii i would feed pigeons macadamia nuts. they'd try swallowing them whole. and the half pieces of macadamia nuts, i'd glue together with snot.

I think a couple of them choked on the bigger nuts.

[WiZZLa]

I think a couple of them choked on the bigger nuts.
hmm sounds like you.
ZING! lol

[thezone]

this is how i got rid of the pigeons that hung around my place. Take a hose a shoot them down.... it's simple as that. But you don't really have to hurt it just suprise it get it a little wet and it'll never come back.... well the same ones anyways cause i haven't seen them ever again.

[me!]

hmm sounds like you.
ZING! lol
ha ha :|

[bigredlemon]

definitely. as long as they are on your property you are free to do whatever you want to them. the law is on your side.
What if an attractive female wonders onto my property? :twisted:

[simplyno]

definitely. as long as they are on your property you are free to do whatever you want to them. the law is on your side.

in the states it might be true, but remember in Canada.. if we beat up a burglar in our own home, he can press charges against us and will win

anyways, do what my twisted friend does.. just shoot them with pellet guns and airsoft guns.. I remember him telling me that he had a pile of dead birds in his back yard >:( ..i hear all the serial killers started out by killing birds :twisted:

[ttt]

ya. it's illegal.

Wave when you go on CityTV as the PIGEON KILLER
a rfder is gonna become a celebrity. :D

[NG]

I hope you get the assistance you need.

Agreed. Somehow this post answers so many questons....

[Emancipated]

in the states it might be true, but remember in Canada.. if we beat up a burglar in our own home, he can press charges against us and will win

anyways, do what my twisted friend does.. just shoot them with pellet guns and airsoft guns.. I remember him telling me that he had a pile of dead birds in his back yard >:( ..i hear all the serial killers started out by killing birds :twisted:


Hahaha can I get the full size avatar?! :D

I would suggest that the water treatment would suffice.

The guys who discovered the Big Bang radiation, Bob Wilson and Arnold Pensius had a similar problem where pigeons were living in their horn antenna. They scared them off and a few weeks later, they'd return. Finally, someone brought a shot gun and that was all she wrote.

Moral to the story is, these guys won the Nobel Prize for their discovery using their long horn antenna and got rid of those birds. i.e, they killed two birds with one stone.

[i6s1]

definitely. as long as they are on your property you are free to do whatever you want to them. the law is on your side.

That's total BS. Prove it. Here's a link to BC's Wildlife Act. (http://www.qp.gov.bc.ca/statreg/stat/W/96488_01.htm#section2)

[i6s1]

I'm sick of these filthy mofo's taking dumps on my patio (I live in a 3 storey condo). Can I poison them?

I would suggest some anti-perching wire where they like to hang out. It's a series of vertical wires on a strand. They can't land without a wire poking them in the butt. They'll find another place to poop, and you won't have to do anything legally or morally wrong.

[Blazin_Sunfire]

get a scarepigeon



lol

[CodecX81]

shoot to kill and destroy the evidence.. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/database/pigeonpie_8159.shtml) :cheesygri

[Byrns]

Is it morally wrong to kill rats? Why is it wrong to kill the flying ones?

[knapper]

We have had problems with pidgeons at our place in the past and after a couple of years they have recently returned. Here is what I have been told by exterminators:

Pidgeons are considered pests, and therefore it is legal to kill them. However, poisoning them is illegal because you can't guarantee that it is the pidgeons that are eating it (especially if your area has endangered birds - e.g. falcons). It is illegal to shoot them since it is illegal to fire a pellet gun within city limits. This leaves you with two options:

1. make it uncomfortable for them (e.g. block off the area they like, put down spikes)
2. trap them and either release them elsewhere or kill them.

Fortunately for us, last time we had pidgeons our neighbour did not care about the law and shot them with a pellet gun.

Good luck.

[Byrns]

We have had problems with pidgeons at our place in the past and after a couple of years they have recently returned. Here is what I have been told by exterminators:

Pidgeons are considered pests, and therefore it is legal to kill them. However, poisoning them is illegal because you can't guarantee that it is the pidgeons that are eating it (especially if your area has endangered birds - e.g. falcons). It is illegal to shoot them since it is illegal to fire a pellet gun within city limits. This leaves you with two options:

1. make it uncomfortable for them (e.g. block off the area they like, put down spikes)
2. trap them and either release them elsewhere or kill them.

Fortunately for us, last time we had pidgeons our neighbour did not care about the law and shot them with a pellet gun.

Good luck.

Thanks for the info. I'm glad I'm not the only one who "needs assistance".

[thelefteyeguy]

how bout a fake owl hehe

[knapper]

how bout a fake owl hehe

They don't work.

[Sgt_Strider]

in the states it might be true, but remember in Canada.. if we beat up a burglar in our own home, he can press charges against us and will win



That's complete BS. We can argue that we beat up the burglar in self-defence. There is no way that a burglar who trespassed into your property and attempt to rob you will be able to successfully sue you after you kick his ass.

[simplyno]

That's complete BS. We can argue that we beat up the burglar in self-defence. There is no way that a burglar who trespassed into your property and attempt to rob you will be able to successfully sue you after you kick his ass.

that's complete BS. If you see a burglar in ur house..he runs away, you chase him out of ur house and beat the **** outta him on ur front lawn with people watching you'll get in ****. And ur suggesting doing something illegal in lieing to the cops by "saying" that it was in self-defence. So good job.

[Sgt_Strider]

that's complete BS. If you see a burglar in ur house..he runs away, you chase him out of ur house and beat the **** outta him on ur front lawn with people watching you'll get in ****. And ur suggesting doing something illegal in lieing to the cops by "saying" that it was in self-defence. So good job.

Okay smarty pants, prove it that it's illegal to beat up a burglar who invades your property. I honestly don't believe the BS that you typed. If you can prove it, I'll retract my statements.

[CanadianN00b]

I'm sick of these filthy mofo's taking dumps on my patio (I live in a 3 storey condo). Can I poison them?

That is so inhumane yet I find myself laughing hysterically at your question, lol.

[simplyno]

Okay smarty pants, prove it that it's illegal to beat up a burglar who invades your property. I honestly don't believe the BS that you typed. If you can prove it, I'll retract my statements.

It's only illegal if it wasn't in self-defence. For example, if a guy comes at you with a baseball bat you have the right to protect yourself. If a guy comes into ur house, you spot him and he runs away, then you go after him with a baseball bat and beat him to a pulp.. then your the one thats gonna get in ****. You can use reasonable force to protect yourself when you feel threatened. If you take out ur gun and shoot him in the back while hes running out of ur house, you'll goto jail.

[CanadianN00b]

It's only illegal if it wasn't in self-defence. For example, if a guy comes at you with a baseball bat you have the right to protect yourself. If a guy comes into ur house, you spot him and he runs away, then you go after him with a baseball bat and beat him to a pulp.. then your the one thats gonna get in ****. You can use reasonable force to protect yourself when you feel threatened. If you take out ur gun and shoot him in the back while hes running out of ur house, you'll goto jail.

Lol, that's WHY we have lawyers and judges and cranky people to do jury duty. :P

[m77m7]

This is a wicked read at 3am :lol:
The wire "strips" that others are talking about work. I have seen them in many places that used to have lots of pigeons hanging around, they are no longer there.

The best example is at the Bus Tunnels at Islington Subway in Toronto. I have no clue where you can buy these things though.

[IronMac]

Okay smarty pants, prove it that it's illegal to beat up a burglar who invades your property. I honestly don't believe the BS that you typed. If you can prove it, I'll retract my statements.

It is illegal. You are allowed to use force up to the same level as he does. So, if he comes at you with a baseball bat you can go at him with a baseball bat. But, if you were to shoot him with a gun while he has a baseball bat then you will be the one who's going to jail.

[trixstar]

lol.. get a flamer.. it'l cost ya.. but keep flaming ur patio

[Sgt_Strider]

It's only illegal if it wasn't in self-defence. For example, if a guy comes at you with a baseball bat you have the right to protect yourself. If a guy comes into ur house, you spot him and he runs away, then you go after him with a baseball bat and beat him to a pulp.. then your the one thats gonna get in ****. You can use reasonable force to protect yourself when you feel threatened. If you take out ur gun and shoot him in the back while hes running out of ur house, you'll goto jail.

There is a difference between proving it by posting real legal references and trying to prove it by reasoning. You haven't changed my opinion and probably others as well.

[bigbob79]

It is illegal. You are allowed to use force up to the same level as he does. So, if he comes at you with a baseball bat you can go at him with a baseball bat. But, if you were to shoot him with a gun while he has a baseball bat then you will be the one who's going to jail.

Actually this is not completly true, the law was changed a few years back. Someone who breaks into your house is consided endangering the lives of the people inside. I`m trying to find the link but googles fighting with me.

The person could be unarmed but your fully allowed to beat them with a bat, golfclub, frozen tuna, ect...

My personal view is if someone breaks into my house they have forfeited their right to ever eat solid food ever again. and yes my meager possessions that I`ve work my entire life for are worth far far more then someones life who tries to take them from me.

Oh and about the pigeons get a really powerfull shop vac.

[hot_potato]

Actually this is not completly true, the law was changed a few years back. Someone who breaks into your house is consided endangering the lives of the people inside. I`m trying to find the link but googles fighting with me.

The person could be unarmed but your fully allowed to beat them with a bat, golfclub, frozen tuna, ect...

My personal view is if someone breaks into my house they have forfeited their right to ever eat solid food ever again. and yes my meager possessions that I`ve work my entire life for are worth far far more then someones life who tries to take them from me.

Oh and about the pigeons get a really powerfull shop vac.

I wonder what would have happened had ol' Jean Chretien had to use the inuit sculpture to beat the guy who broke into 24 Sussex Drive. Would he have been able to sue if he was unarmed?... Hmmmm...

[CheapScotsman]

http://canada.justice.gc.ca/en/cons/rccd/section1p3.html

The reality is that if you seriously injure somebody defending (or revenging) your property and, unless you have an amazingly good story .... the police are going to charge you and the AG is going to take you to court and you are going to take your chances on having a judge/jury convict you.

It doesn't matter if you had the right or not, they are going to charge you and let the criminal justice system determine if you were "right" in your level of defence. ka-ching ... not a red hot deal for you

[IronMac]

Actually this is not completly true, the law was changed a few years back. Someone who breaks into your house is consided endangering the lives of the people inside. I`m trying to find the link but googles fighting with me.

The person could be unarmed but your fully allowed to beat them with a bat, golfclub, frozen tuna, ect...



From the link that was posted by CheapScotsman:

Use of deadly force

Any struggle between a possessor and a potential taker of property can lead to violence, and a threat to property may turn into a threat to human life or safety. Where the possessor’s physical safety is threatened, the law of self-defence may be invoked to justify the use of force against the taker or trespasser’s attack, even intentional deadly force in appropriate circumstances. Where there is a threat to property but no clear threat to a person’s safety, though, it may be more difficult to assess when, if ever, deadly force should be justified.

The current law places no upper limit on the extent of force that may be used. Most sections of the current scheme implicitly allow the use of deadly force (except section 38, which prohibits causing injury) by authorizing as much force as is necessary to defend possession. Nonetheless, several courts have stated as a general principle that intentional deadly force can never be justified in defence of property alone, and that human life and safety should always take priority over property interests. Some commentators maintain that this principle should be stated clearly in the Criminal Code.

It looks like there is some disagreement. I haven't read this area in over a decade so my info is probably old but, like CheapScotsman said, it's not a red hot deal. Well, it's not until you get a REAL good lawyer! ;)

[bigbob79]

good link scotsman,

Although the law seems to contradict it self at some points.

these two points are kind of interesting.

) Every one who is in peaceable possession of a dwelling-house or real property, and every one lawfully assisting him or acting under his authority, is justified in using force to prevent any person from trespassing on the dwelling-house or real property, or to remove a trespasser therefrom, if he uses no more force than is necessary.

fair enough, the minimal amount of force is the max your allowed to use. What is minimal? I for one am not going to sit there and go let`s see their about 160 pounds I`m 250
f=m*a so if I swing this hard they should stop. No I`m going to put my fist through the back of their head.

2) A trespasser who resists an attempt by a person who is in peaceable possession of a dwelling-house or real property, or a person lawfully assisting him or acting under his authority to prevent his entry or to remove him, shall be deemed to commit an assault without justification or provocation.

The way I read this is if you lock your door and someone forces their way in, I have tried to prevent them from entering they have now commited assualt against me.

The provisions also allow for force in defence of real property (i.e. land and buildings), including special rules for dwelling-houses. If a trespasser resists the possessor’s attempts to protect the property, whether real or personal property, the trespasser is considered to be committing an assault without justification or provocation. The self-defence provisions in the Code would then apply, allowing the possessor to use whatever force is necessary in defence of his or her person.

The highlighted part I believe is the grey area of the law that needs to be addressed what I believe is necessary someone else may believe is not.

So the safest thing to do would seem to be shoot the intruder then fire a bullet into the ground. There`s no test that can tell which bullet was fired first.

[Spidey]

Long time ago my roomate and I had a loft apartment with a deck that was above a store. We had a major pigeon problem. Used to shoot them with pellet guns because their was a brick wall behind so the pelets wouldnt go anywhere if we missed. Did that for ahwile until an old lady from across the street caught us and reported us.

[DirtyDave]

the law says you're allowed to poison anything you want if it makes a mess on your private property.


well my neighbour is making a mess on my property with his stinky food, so does that mean i can poison him?

[FearSonic]

When I used to live in an apartment, we had a pretty bad pigeon problem on our balcony too. A plastic owl actually worked for a while until the pigeons pecked his eyes out. =( So my dad and I just went completely cruel on the pigeons, started breaking their eggs inside of their nests and putting adhesive on the balcony rail. We also lined most of the balcony with adhesive. So.. we kinda had a bunch of pigeons just stuck to my balcony, that was funny.

[stealth]

good link scotsman,

Although the law seems to contradict it self at some points.

these two points are kind of interesting.

) Every one who is in peaceable possession of a dwelling-house or real property, and every one lawfully assisting him or acting under his authority, is justified in using force to prevent any person from trespassing on the dwelling-house or real property, or to remove a trespasser therefrom, if he uses no more force than is necessary.

fair enough, the minimal amount of force is the max your allowed to use. What is minimal? I for one am not going to sit there and go let`s see their about 160 pounds I`m 250
f=m*a so if I swing this hard they should stop. No I`m going to put my fist through the back of their head.

2) A trespasser who resists an attempt by a person who is in peaceable possession of a dwelling-house or real property, or a person lawfully assisting him or acting under his authority to prevent his entry or to remove him, shall be deemed to commit an assault without justification or provocation.

The way I read this is if you lock your door and someone forces their way in, I have tried to prevent them from entering they have now commited assualt against me.

The provisions also allow for force in defence of real property (i.e. land and buildings), including special rules for dwelling-houses. If a trespasser resists the possessor’s attempts to protect the property, whether real or personal property, the trespasser is considered to be committing an assault without justification or provocation. The self-defence provisions in the Code would then apply, allowing the possessor to use whatever force is necessary in defence of his or her person.

The highlighted part I believe is the grey area of the law that needs to be addressed what I believe is necessary someone else may believe is not.

So the safest thing to do would seem to be shoot the intruder then fire a bullet into the ground. There`s no test that can tell which bullet was fired first.

Congrats on the only NON-STUPID post in this thread.
You wanna know if you can kill pigeons? Call the Humane Society. They'll tell you, because they'll be the ones that come after you if its illegal, which I believe it is. Ask Dave Winfield.

[HowEver]

Congrats on the only NON-STUPID post in this thread.
You wanna know if you can kill pigeons? Call the Humane Society. They'll tell you, because they'll be the ones that come after you if its illegal, which I believe it is. Ask Dave Winfield.


No. The humane society has no such authority. It is the police, and in some cases the mental health authorities (when ordered by a justice of the peace) who will intervene here.

[NG]

No. The humane society has no such authority. It is the police, and in some cases the mental health authorities (when ordered by a justice of the peace) who will intervene here.

I would hope that the humane society would call the proper mental health professionals/police if they got a call like that however.

[Carpe Diem]

I don't know if it's been mentioned, but dump a 100lb's of rice on your patio and when they drink water after eating they will !!*POP*!!

[Kommander_KornFlakes]

It's stupid to poison them........ let's say you poison 60 today and 75 tomorrow and 80 the next day....... then you have 200 million more that are going to come from all over Ontario.

[UrbanPoet]

anyone remember the episode of simpsons when they had whacking day? And the day consisted of people going around whacking snakes?
Yes... we should have whacking day. not for snakes... but instead for pigeons.

What purpose do pigeons serve to our eco-system?

[Sgt_Strider]

http://canada.justice.gc.ca/en/cons/rccd/section1p3.html

The reality is that if you seriously injure somebody defending (or revenging) your property and, unless you have an amazingly good story .... the police are going to charge you and the AG is going to take you to court and you are going to take your chances on having a judge/jury convict you.

It doesn't matter if you had the right or not, they are going to charge you and let the criminal justice system determine if you were "right" in your level of defence. ka-ching ... not a red hot deal for you

Thanks for the link and I agree with others, it does seem to contradict itself. I wonder how the lawyers would argue for defence and or prosecution? hmm..

[stealth]

No. The humane society has no such authority. It is the police, and in some cases the mental health authorities (when ordered by a justice of the peace) who will intervene here.

Correct. I didnt actually mean that the THS has the authority to arrest someone (well anymore than you or I). I meant that they would be the most aware of the laws pertaining to animal cruelty, and would be extremely active/vocal in getting violators prosecuted. As to the intricacies of laws related to animals, I would actually bet THS is more informed than the everyday beat cop.
I should have been more explicit in my post. But I'm trying to be less verbose :)

[Casanova]

I would think it is. It would be considered animal cruelty at the very least.