World universities ranking, UT 24th, UW 202-300

[ryan123]

http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2005/ARWU2005TOP500list.htm

[emptypocket]

Canadian Universities in the top 100:

24. U of T
37. UBC
67. McGill
90. McMaster

[bananaman]

What is the basis for these rankings? Reputation?

[emptypocket]

1. Ranking Criteria and Weights

We rank universities by several indicators of academic or research performance, including alumni and staff winning Nobel Prizes and Fields Medals, highly cited researchers, articles published in Nature and Science, articles indexed in major citation indices, and the per capita academic performance of an institution.

http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2005/ARWU2005Methodology.htm

[cuiyinghost]

we chinese really like to do a lot of Rankings. But who doesnt? :lol:

[Ley]

man.. Harvard is so rigged :P even if they only let you attend unless you adv 100 on everything, not everyone can recieve 100% adv's :evil: anyways... UBC OWNSS haha :cheesygri

[Tharyn]

1. Ranking Criteria and Weights

We rank universities by several indicators of academic or research performance, including alumni and staff winning Nobel Prizes and Fields Medals, highly cited researchers, articles published in Nature and Science, articles indexed in major citation indices, and the per capita academic performance of an institution.

http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2005/ARWU2005Methodology.htm

Only a few, but really don't think that either of those reflect the quality of the university, but eh, that's just me. The only thing I put any faith in is MacLean's ranking, I'd take this with a grain of salt.

In my opinion it should be looking at things such as funding into various programs and fields, the contributions to the field, and not just papers published by the staff, while that may have a small affect on the quality of the school, but in my opinion there's lots of other factors that actually matter to students.

--Mark

[CSR]

Quite an impressive list there...

UofT does well; top 25 in the world!

[yell0w_c0w]

This indicator only shows how much there is "research output" with respect to "incoming students". So, based on statistics, you're guarenteed to be Nobel Prize winner if you go to Harvard! :\ Which does not make sense either... Lots of smart kids everywhere on the planet, not just in America.

I find Chinese and Indian people are generally better in engineering related fields than other ppl ... I dunno maybe it's just me... McGill's full of them and I'm part of the Viet minority in engineering. :(

[hugh_da_man]

I find Chinese and Indian people are generally better in engineering related fields than other ppl ... I dunno maybe it's just me... McGill's full of them and I'm part of the Viet minority in engineering. :(

I don't think it has anything to do with a certain race being better at engineering than others. I think the people in your class depends on the region that you live in. There were mostly caucasian and asian people in my engineering classes.

[JimG]

Wow, YorkU just made the list at #500.

Edit: My mistake, York is somewhere between 401-500.

Jim

[swiftfox]

There's no way Waterloo is worse than McMaster
This is clearly bogus

[cuiyinghost]

There's no way Waterloo is worse than McMaster
This is clearly bogus

no, waterloo maybe just a college in the States. At least McMaster have all the elements that a real university should have.

[friend_4ever]

Only a few, but really don't think that either of those reflect the quality of the university, but eh, that's just me. The only thing I put any faith in is MacLean's ranking, I'd take this with a grain of salt.

In my opinion it should be looking at things such as funding into various programs and fields, the contributions to the field, and not just papers published by the staff, while that may have a small affect on the quality of the school, but in my opinion there's lots of other factors that actually matter to students.

--Mark
hehe, thats just what some sore-loser-parents always tell their kids that everyone is a winner and there is no loser in the game, hehehe





just kidding

[emptypocket]

There's no way Waterloo is worse than McMaster
This is clearly bogus

Given the criteria used in order to determine the rankings I think this is perfectly reasonable. McMaster is one of the most research intensive universities in the country. Waterloo focuses more on the development of its undergraduate programs. There's no better or "worse" when it comes to rankings. It's all about the methodology.

no, waterloo maybe just a college in the States. At least McMaster have all the elements that a real university should have.

Waterloo is maybe not that well known to the general public in the US but definitely highly regarded among employers (especially in the engineering and science fields).

[cuiyinghost]

Waterloo is maybe not that well known to the general public in the US but definitely highly regarded among employers (especially in the engineering and science fields).

Thats my point. You could never win w/ one foot.

[emptypocket]

Thats my point. You could never win w/ one foot.

Your point was that Waterloo was missing some elements that prevent it from being classified as a university in the US. I'm saying that Waterloo is well-established as a quality university in the eyes of those that matter the most: the employers.

Canadian universities in general aren't well known in the US (except for maybe McGill). That doesn't mean they'd all be colleges in the US.

[mrlooneytoon]

Waterloo's got on a undergrad level engineering, math and comp sci as strong competitive and highly regarded faculties. On a grad level its got optometry. I think these rankings are overall based. Now if it were for engineering lets say or comp sci it would be right up there with U of T near 25.

[Babo]

You guys forgot Waterloo accounting :)

IMO Waterloo > McMaster

[J1M]

This list looks like it is for teachers to help them find Universities with an environment that will provide them with the most patsies to carry out their research work.

[Absolute]

What, no Nippising? :)

[JoKeRr]

guys, WTF??!!

78-100 Queen's! u forgot to include that. Even though I know u guys hate Queen's, but at least we're Canadian too.

[longo]

anyone know what Carleton University in Ottawa ranks? Can't seem to get the link to work :(

[Absolute]

anyone know what Carleton University in Ottawa ranks? Can't seem to get the link to work :(
Is it even on a "best universities" list? ;)

[longo]

Is it even on a "best universities" list? ;)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
SO true, my bad.
What a dumb question, i was thinking the list was a ranking of every university

[sumrandomguy]

Where the hell is Wilfrid Laurier University? :confused:

[cizciz13]

I beleive Waterloo is not in the world ranking because it has lack of medical/scientific research! However, I don't think ranking is very important since employers would have their own perference in hiring students from which schools! In Canada, I really think that employers have a higher perference to Waterloo and UT Scar students because most students are in cooperative program. In reality, job experience is much more important than education background!

[longo]

I beleive Waterloo is not in the world ranking because it has lack of medical/scientific research! However, I don't think ranking is very important since employers would have their own perference in hiring students from which schools! In Canada, I really think that employers have a higher perference to Waterloo and UT Scar students because most students are in cooperative program. In reality, job experience is much more important than education background!

TRU DAT!
Although I'm still in school and I'm not in co-op. But i have industry experience, so hopefully that'll look good when i'm trying to apply for jobs/grad school

[AWPoster]

Note that the rankings are based primarily on research standards, not so much the factors that affect quality of undergraduate education. It reflects more accurately on the prominence of academic research at such schools and the reputation of their graduate studies programs.

[gilboman]

I beleive Waterloo is not in the world ranking because it has lack of medical/scientific research! However, I don't think ranking is very important since employers would have their own perference in hiring students from which schools! In Canada, I really think that employers have a higher perference to Waterloo and UT Scar students because most students are in cooperative program. In reality, job experience is much more important than education background!

I agree, especially for the entry jobs after one graduates from their Bachelors.

of course, this is if you are intend to stay in canada and want to join the workforce after your undergrad. If you intend to pursue further academic studies especially abroad, then the calibre of the university you come from becomes more important.

in terms of finding a job, employers here could careless if your school is ranked 24 or 124 (but i believe all being equal, a student from highly regarded schools such as McGill will beat out similar candidate from say York ;) )

but if you want to go abroad to look for a job, you definitely need a recongizable university

it also seems that choosing a school highly ranked becomes much more important after you graduate from Masters level or higher since employers are not just looking for basic skills but more advanced criteria and schools with a strong graduate programs will have an advantage

[gilboman]

Note that the rankings are based primarily on research standards, not so much the factors that affect quality of undergraduate education. It reflects more accurately on the prominence of academic research at such schools and the reputation of their graduate studies programs.

basically the quality of the faculty/professors is measured in this ranking i wold say.

[sumfunny]

basically the quality of the faculty/professors is measured in this ranking i wold say.

Isn't it natural sciences research though so that limits other works in other fields. Mianly economics/biz/social sciences.

[CompWizrd]

anyone know what Carleton University in Ottawa ranks? Can't seem to get the link to work :(
No surprise to not see U of Windsor on the list :)

[gilboman]

Isn't it natural sciences research though so that limits other works in other fields. Mianly economics/biz/social sciences.


why would you say that? you can do research in economics/biz/social sciences as well. in fact there are tonnes of journals for the arts/humanities. in the criteria it said they also include highly cited articles/awards which would include humanities/arts.

[sumfunny]

My bad I just read the original posters quote on their process they do have a weighting on ss journals.

[MizuRyuu]

all hail UBC :D

second in Canada

[J1M]

all hail UBC :D

second in Canada
Probably not anymore now that they expanded to the Okanagan. Their one nobel prize winner or whatever will be diluted across more students, lol.

[AWPoster]

basically the quality of the faculty/professors is measured in this ranking i wold say.

Quality of the faculty/professors in research, not in teaching though. From an undergraduate perspective, that's not a very effective way of looking at a university's staff. Just because a professor can publish papers and churn out research, it doesn't mean they can teach that knowledge well in a lecture.

Just look at their methodology: http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2005/ARWU2005Methodology.htm

They define "Alumni of an institution winning Nobel Prizes and Fields Medals" as an indicator of quality of education. Not everyone who goes to university dreams of becoming a world class researcher (in fact, very few I'd say). They don't look at the satisfaction employers have with graduates of a university, or the students' satisfaction with what they've learned (which IMHO are much better indicators of the quality of one's education as it pertains to the practical working world).

Think about it, would you choose a business school based on how many of its graduates have done prize winning research on management theory, or would you choose one based on how respected its graduates are by industry or how many CEOs of Fortune 500 comapnies graduated from there?

The survey misses out on factors like campus setting, student to teacher ratio, class and tutorial sizes, student satisfaction, extracurricular activities, and a plethora of other factors that are important.

[AWPoster]

Probably not anymore now that they expanded to the Okanagan. Their one nobel prize winner or whatever will be diluted across more students, lol.

Even though I am from UBC, I'd have to say that the Okanagan campus is a big mistake. It's rumored that UBC is losing big money on it, and plus it adds a lot to its administration costs to run so many campuses (including its Robson campus).

[gilboman]

Quality of the faculty/professors in research, not in teaching though. From an undergraduate perspective, that's not a very effective way of looking at a university's staff. Just because a professor can publish papers and churn out research, it doesn't mean they can teach that knowledge well in a lecture.

Just look at their methodology: http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2005/ARWU2005Methodology.htm

They define "Alumni of an institution winning Nobel Prizes and Fields Medals" as an indicator of quality of education. Not everyone who goes to university dreams of becoming a world class researcher (in fact, very few I'd say). They don't look at the satisfaction employers have with graduates of a university, or the students' satisfaction with what they've learned (which IMHO are much better indicators of the quality of one's education as it pertains to the practical working world).

Think about it, would you choose a business school based on how many of its graduates have done prize winning research on management theory, or would you choose one based on how respected its graduates are by industry or how many CEOs of Fortune 500 comapnies graduated from there?

The survey misses out on factors like campus setting, student to teacher ratio, class and tutorial sizes, student satisfaction, extracurricular activities, and a plethora of other factors that are important.

again, this doesnt measure the best student life, it measures quality of faculty. you seem to completely miss the point here


and yes, high quality profs/faculty doesnt mean they are good teachers, but this is what seperates the students who want to learn from those who are just there since they have nothing else to do. those who learn will interact and develop a relationship with the prof long past the course is done and the more knowledgeable profs leave an impression long long after the course is done

i mean if you only care about how they present the materialand how they hold your hand, college is the better place while disregarding how well they know the stuff they are teaching ;)

[friend_4ever]

again, this doesnt measure the best student life, it measures quality of faculty. you seem to completely miss the point here


and yes, high quality profs/faculty doesnt mean they are good teachers, but this is what seperates the students who want to learn from those who are just there since they have nothing else to do. those who learn will interact and develop a relationship with the prof long past the course is done and the more knowledgeable profs leave an impression long long after the course is done

i mean if you only care about how they present the materialand how they hold your hand, college is the better place while disregarding how well they know the stuff they are teaching ;)

so true, man, so true, yet so many dumbasses use that as a lame excuse to bash at UT, "ooo, ut sucks, sure the profs are famous, the profs there cant teach, u would get way better education in whatever whatever university that i attend"
it's not highschool anymore, people!
whether the prof can teach or not, it is up to the students to learn the textbook material, the profs are there to inspire u with their work/experience,

and wth is with all these generalization about UT profs, im very sure that every U has its own share of profs who can't teach as well as ur hs teachers do, just becuz they are famous, doesnt automatically make them bad teachers, ive had profs who frequently publish on nature and science and they are damn good teachers imo,
too much sour grapes i see, haha, sorelosers

also.. if ur an introvert, ur not gonna get much of a social life no matter where u go, and if ur a social beast, nothing is here to stop u, seriously

[calluses]

UW 202-300??

who comes first AND second in world programming contests???
whose 2nd year co-op students are making $20/h RIGHT NOW and paying for all their tuition (screw OSAP)???
who offers optometry in canada??

look at a canadian magazine for god's sake...UW is clearly right up there.
there are undergrad UW co-op students working in NY right now as we speak making $9000 US/month


right...employers just want to pay us more.


if anything ryerson is more like a college...because it used to be one! just look at the programs they offer...i never knew people could get a uni degree studying fashion designs

U of T is up there cause it's old and has a reputation. not to mention they also have 3 campuses and is the largest in numbers. and oh yes they offer courses like interior designs and music in the 60s.

for some of you...please don't think less of UW unless you've been there and has taken calculus/cs/combinatorics there.

[emptypocket]

UW 202-300??

who comes first AND second in world programming contests???
whose 2nd year co-op students are making $20/h RIGHT NOW and paying for all their tuition (screw OSAP)???
who offers optometry in canada??

look at a canadian magazine for god's sake...UW is clearly right up there.
there are undergrad UW co-op students working in NY right now as we speak making $9000 US/month


right...employers just want to pay us more.


if anything ryerson is more like a college...because it used to be one! just look at the programs they offer...i never knew people could get a uni degree studying fashion designs

U of T is up there cause it's old and has a reputation. not to mention they also have 3 campuses and is the largest in numbers. and oh yes they offer courses like interior designs and music in the 60s.

for some of you...please don't think less of UW unless you've been there and has taken calculus/cs/combinatorics there.

Relax. If you look at the posts in this thread, you'll see the reason UW is ranked so low. Methodology.

[friend_4ever]

UW 202-300??

who comes first AND second in world programming contests???
whose 2nd year co-op students are making $20/h RIGHT NOW and paying for all their tuition (screw OSAP)???
who offers optometry in canada??

look at a canadian magazine for god's sake...UW is clearly right up there.
there are undergrad UW co-op students working in NY right now as we speak making $9000 US/month


right...employers just want to pay us more.


if anything ryerson is more like a college...because it used to be one! just look at the programs they offer...i never knew people could get a uni degree studying fashion designs

U of T is up there cause it's old and has a reputation. not to mention they also have 3 campuses and is the largest in numbers. and oh yes they offer courses like interior designs and music in the 60s.

for some of you...please don't think less of UW unless you've been there and has taken calculus/cs/combinatorics there.

wth is this? just becuz its art or music from recent contem and not ur techy/geeky/computery thingy, doesnt mean they are not worth studying,
especially if u havent taken it, dont bash it, we learn the art/music from different perspectives (from socicultural to historical to techniques, etc)
man, seriously, don't bash art courses
i guess UW should really teach their students about life and how to apprecipate life >_< computer is not the world, dude~! (i guess this is why the computer industry is coming down, too many eccentric/lifeless workers)

and every university has its seemingly-bird courses,
what about UW's infamous introduction to sex? do you really need to pay a few hundred bucks to learn about the birds and the bees?

and why are u bashin ryerson for being a former college?
does "Waterloo College Associate Faculties" ring a bell?
(fyi, waterloo college was WL university, and UW is formerly its associate faculty, doesnt it make it even LESSER than a college?)

[gilboman]

UW 202-300??

who comes first AND second in world programming contests???
whose 2nd year co-op students are making $20/h RIGHT NOW and paying for all their tuition (screw OSAP)???
who offers optometry in canada??

look at a canadian magazine for god's sake...UW is clearly right up there.
there are undergrad UW co-op students working in NY right now as we speak making $9000 US/month


right...employers just want to pay us more.


if anything ryerson is more like a college...because it used to be one! just look at the programs they offer...i never knew people could get a uni degree studying fashion designs

U of T is up there cause it's old and has a reputation. not to mention they also have 3 campuses and is the largest in numbers. and oh yes they offer courses like interior designs and music in the 60s.

for some of you...please don't think less of UW unless you've been there and has taken calculus/cs/combinatorics there.

this ranking doesnt just rank the programming skills (programming is for college anyways :lol: ) of students, it measures the quality of the prof's.

[TenzoR]

anyone know what Carleton University in Ottawa ranks? Can't seem to get the link to work :(

278 Univerisity of Ottawa
294 Univerisity of Waterloo
306 Carleton University

[fatduckie]

Well, I believe each university has its own strong academic school. For example, UW has strong engineering school, York has business and fine art, UT has med school, etc. The ranking doesn't show too much info regarding this matter.

I really feel that the ranking for a whole university doesn't imple to what you learn from your professors. For example, as far as I know, every program in each engineering school in Ontario teach the same material because of the future PEO test.

IMO, picking right program in right university is more important than just blindly picking the top school with the wrong program.

[calluses]

(programming is for college anyways :lol: )
sure whatever you say ;) CS majors from any university would laugh that off

it measures the quality of the prof's.

UW does have some pretty crappy profs...but also some good ones. same can be said for any other university. so i'm assuming whoever came up with the ranking actually got to research every prof from every university?? hmm...

[calluses]

wth is this? just becuz its art or music from recent contem and not ur techy/geeky/computery thingy, doesnt mean they are not worth studying,
especially if u havent taken it, dont bash it, we learn the art/music from different perspectives (from socicultural to historical to techniques, etc)
man, seriously, don't bash art courses
i guess UW should really teach their students about life and how to apprecipate life >_< computer is not the world, dude~! (i guess this is why the computer industry is coming down, too many eccentric/lifeless workers)

and every university has its seemingly-bird courses,
what about UW's infamous introduction to sex? do you really need to pay a few hundred bucks to learn about the birds and the bees?

and why are u bashin ryerson for being a former college?
does "Waterloo College Associate Faculties" ring a bell?
(fyi, waterloo college was WL university, and UW is formerly its associate faculty, doesnt it make it even LESSER than a college?)

not trying to single ryerson out, but someone earlier mentioned how UW would appear more of a college in the US. compared to ryerson, it's not. and that fact about WCAF/UW...when was that (1957, then 1960 UW officially a university)?? when did ryerson become a university (1993??) sorry if it offends you. WCAF was in a time when there werent too many distinctions between college/university.

yes UW has that sex course...but how many bird courses do we offer?and compared to that of the course catalogue of other universities i.e. UofT?

and you're hinting at a stereotype of CS students here...i admire your sense of humour :rolleyes: but sorry to say we take art courses as electives. yes i have taken art and music courses. yes i have attended art lectures at U of T (but not as a student), and i've even written a couple of architecture papers for U of T ARC courses. so hate to break it to you, but CS students are not in another world. we don't sit in front of the computer all day coding. just because we didn't want to take music and art and make it our occupation doesn't mean we don't have appreciation for it. so in your mind, CS majors dont listen to music and have no appreciation for art? yes we play board games and card games all day:rolleyes:. we make computer jokes and love to bash microsoft:rolleyes: we collect comic books and computer games :rolleyes:.

and where did i say that art was "not worth studying"? was i bashing OCAD? was i bashing architecture programs? accounting? please don't antagonize me against the ARTs just because i despise certain degree programs.

didn't mean to offend, but if people were to say UW is more of a college, than a dozen other universities in ontario would be "colleges" as well.

[calluses]

Well, I believe each university has its own strong academic school. For example, UW has strong engineering school, York has business and fine art, UT has med school, etc. The ranking doesn't show too much info regarding this matter.

I really feel that the ranking for a whole university doesn't imple to what you learn from your professors. For example, as far as I know, every program in each engineering school in Ontario teach the same material because of the future PEO test.

IMO, picking right program in right university is more important than just blindly picking the top school with the wrong program.

amen to that.

i wouldn't say UW is necessarily BETTER than any university...but 202-300???while UT is 24th...c'mon....

what were UW's ranking in Maclean's every year?

[gilboman]

sure whatever you say ;) CS majors from any university would laugh that off



UW does have some pretty crappy profs...but also some good ones. same can be said for any other university. so i'm assuming whoever came up with the ranking actually got to research every prof from every university?? hmm...

if all you learned in CS at waterloo was programming, then it sure is crappy. CS is much much more than just programming. :lol:

actually the ranking looked at the published works and awards won by the profs.

no offence, but you appear really really dim for a university student, let alone waterloo student. ;)

as for comments about Ryerson, I'm just taking a stab at it here, but the reasoning the other poster suggested Ryerson would be more of a University than Waterloo in the States revolves around the breadth of programs offered.

Waterloo would be more of a technical institute in the US since Ryerson offers a much broader range of programs that a US university would offer.

Also, notice how all the top universities in the US and around the world are famous not b/c of their CS/ENG programs, but their arts. E.g. Oxford, Yale, Princeton, Harvard, UCLA, Columbia (Berkely) even MIT are high in reputation not because of their "technical" programs although of course their Eng/Cs if offered are of the highest calibre.

but with that being said, Waterloo for the programs it does offer are of a high quality if looking at the undergrad level and their co-op programs are very high calibre as well.

there is nothing wrong with not being considered a university in US standards as long as the programs it does offer is of a high quality.

[calluses]

if all you learned in CS at waterloo was programming, then it sure is crappy. CS is much much more than just programming. :lol:

actually the ranking looked at the published works and awards won by the profs.

no offence, but you appear really really dim for a university student, let alone waterloo student. ;)



hehe so far in the 1st couple of years we've had more programming assignments than paperwork for half of the required cs courses...it's just to get everyone used to java scheme and MIPS since people came out of highschool with different experiences (my highschool taught OOT/Turing for the first 3 years -__-)

to be honest i didn't look at the rankings in detail...it's just the discussions earlier on in the thread that got me fired up. if they look at awards/published works then i wouldnt be surprised as UW is relatively new as a university. they should also look at companies started by grads (i.e. RIM :D )

and HEY...i'm on my co-op term right now. ;)

[friend_4ever]

not trying to single ryerson out, but someone earlier mentioned how UW would appear more of a college in the US. compared to ryerson, it's not. and that fact about WCAF/UW...when was that (1957, then 1960 UW officially a university)?? when did ryerson become a university (1993??) sorry if it offends you. WCAF was in a time when there werent too many distinctions between college/university.

yes UW has that sex course...but how many bird courses do we offer?and compared to that of the course catalogue of other universities i.e. UofT?

and you're hinting at a stereotype of CS students here...i admire your sense of humour :rolleyes: but sorry to say we take art courses as electives. yes i have taken art and music courses. yes i have attended art lectures at U of T (but not as a student), and i've even written a couple of architecture papers for U of T ARC courses. so hate to break it to you, but CS students are not in another world. we don't sit in front of the computer all day coding. just because we didn't want to take music and art and make it our occupation doesn't mean we don't have appreciation for it. so in your mind, CS majors dont listen to music and have no appreciation for art? yes we play board games and card games all day:rolleyes:. we make computer jokes and love to bash microsoft:rolleyes: we collect comic books and computer games :rolleyes:.

and where did i say that art was "not worth studying"? was i bashing OCAD? was i bashing architecture programs? accounting? please don't antagonize me against the ARTs just because i despise certain degree programs.

didn't mean to offend, but if people were to say UW is more of a college, than a dozen other universities in ontario would be "colleges" as well.

well, of cuz when they say that the americans think UW is a college, i don't know wth are they thinking, UW isnt a bad university at all,

but hey, dude, the only argument u had in ur post is that waterloo has a kickass CS or CE program (hey it does!) and it should definitely rank higher than schools who offer more art/music programs/courses, that clearly shows ur eccentricity about the computer industry especially when u point out specifically that ryerson also offers interior design or fahison design

well,whether those programs are easy or not, u dont have the right to scoff at art/music programs, scoffing is not a form of appreciation,
just becuz u have the knowledge, u're not necessarily appreciating art especially when u think art/music programs are inferior to ur precious CS program

i also see that you try to bash at universities based on their easier programs whose admission requirements might be lower, seriously, whats the point dude? does it make u feel big?

haha, u're also trying to point out the difference in age between UW and RU?
UW was established as university in 1960 and RU was established as university in 1990, a merely 30 yr in difference does not grant u the right to scoff at them
hey, all the top universities in that list have over 100 years of history, so i guess it is okay for them to think less of UW then? haha

u know wut, its YOU who brought shame to ur program, "ooooo, we are the best at computers, so that should make our school superior to any other school"
when ppl first met u, they would automatically think that CS and CE ppl are introverted individuals,
and its YOU who has been stereotyping and discriminating against art/music programs implying that art/music programs are not as worthy to be studied and to be appreciated by the world as ur precious little programs are......

and if u want to compare soooo badly, fyi, i know quite a lot engineers here at UTSG doing co-op (or whatever the name of that coop thingy is) making more than $20 in their 2nd and 3rd year, so........

[calluses]

well,whether those programs are easy or not, u dont have the right to scoff at art/music programs, scoffing is not a form of appreciation,
just becuz u have the knowledge, u're not necessarily appreciating art especially when u think art/music programs are inferior to ur precious CS program

fine. point taken...probably don't have the "right" to. genuinely sorry if i hurt anyone's feelings.


i also see that you try to bash at universities based on their easier programs whose admission requirements might be lower, seriously, whats the point dude? does it make u feel big?

no. i get nothing out of this. it's a friggin discussion forum, i don't gain/lose much from participating in this thread. do you? it's to voice opinions; political correctness is not required. and i don't think i have said anything that is not true. although, yes, the implications could be taken as 'bashing'


haha, u're also trying to point out the difference in age between UW and RU?
UW was established as university in 1960 and RU was established as university in 1990, a merely 30 yr in difference does not grant u the right to scoff at them

of course i don't. in the ideal world, no one has that "right", right?


hey, all the top universities in that list have over 100 years of history, so i guess it is okay for them to think less of UW then? haha

yes i believe they have the "right"; either way, as you said, they ARE top universities.


u know wut, its YOU who brought shame to ur program, "ooooo, we are the best at computers, so that should make our school superior to any other school"
when ppl first met u, they would automatically think that CS and CE ppl are introverted individuals,
and its YOU who has been stereotyping and discriminating against art/music programs implying that art/music programs are not as worthy to be studied and to be appreciated by the world as ur precious little programs are......


ah touche, but your retaliation with the "geek" stereotype is so inspiring...


and if u want to compare soooo badly, fyi, i know quite a lot engineers here at UTSG doing co-op (or whatever the name of that coop thingy is) making more than $20 in their 2nd and 3rd year, so........

good for them! i mean it. well they rank 24th, man. i have no problem with UofT being 24th...but having UW more than 175 ranks behind...hmmm

[JimG]

I think Maclean's ranking is even more useless than this one. Maclean's essentially gets their results by sending out thousands of letters to graduates and industry asking them to kindly fill out a questionaire about university. You can imagine the response rate for that approach. Maclean's publishes numbers that aren't necessarily indicators of the quality of the education at the university. I think it's little more than a popularity contest.

Jim

[friend_4ever]

fine. point taken...probably don't have the "right" to. genuinely sorry if i hurt anyone's feelings.

ah touche, but your retaliation with the "geek" stereotype is so inspiring...


ya man, as long as u dont bash other programs/fields
in every field/program, theres someone who will devote their lives to that particular field and may someday become very successfull, hey, maybe a dude going to ryerson for fashion design is gonna be the next tom ford or something (and fyi, ford studied interior design as his major too haha)

oh man, geek is not an offensive term
but geek is just ... by defintion in wikipedia.... a person who is fascinated, perhaps obsessively, by obscure or very specific areas of knowledge or in terms of technology, a geek is a person who is interested in technology, especially computing....
like most of the ppl here are deal geeks too haha

[calluses]

ya man, as long as u dont bash other programs/fields
in every field/program, theres someone who will devote their lives to that particular field and may someday become very successfull, hey, maybe a dude going to ryerson for fashion design is gonna be the next tom ford or something (and fyi, ford studied interior design as his major too haha)

oh man, geek is not an offensive term
but geek is just ... by defintion in wikipedia.... a person who is fascinated, perhaps obsessively, by obscure or very specific areas of knowledge or in terms of technology, a geek is a person who is interested in technology, especially computing....
like most of the ppl here are deal geeks too haha

honest to god, i wasn't trying to make anyone feel bad :)

i'm not trying to put people down for being in certain field/program, it's just that there are certain field/programs that many people (including myself) think should belong to college rather than university. doesn't necessarily mean i have less respect for the people in that program...the world needs artists, but i always think stuff like interior design or fashion design should be studied in colleges like OCAD...colleges DEVOTED to the arts. nothing wrong with that.

[purple_rabbit]

294 Univerisity of Waterloo?

Hmm yeah that sounds about right lol :lol: :lol: