Saudi TV : Muslims Had Nothing to Do with 9/11 Attack on the Empire State Building

[lip1978]

http://www.memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=800
Granted, MEMRI has a certain bias, but they also have videotape.

Egyptian Professor Abd Al-Sabour Shahin: Muslims Had Nothing to Do with 9/11 Attack on the Empire State Building

The following are excerpts from an interview with Egyptian professor Abd Al-Sabour Shahin, which aired on Saudi Channel 1 on August 8, 2005.

Shahin: Our enemies weave many lies about us, which we are not necessarily aware of. For example: One day, we awoke to the crime of 9/11, which hit the tallest buildings in New York, the Empire State Building (sic). There is no doubt that not a single Arab or Muslim had anything to do with these events. The incident was fabricated as a pretext to attack Islam and Muslims. The plan was to take over the world's energy sources, and to achieve this control by force and not by agreement or negotiations, by interests, free trade, or anything like that. This is what they wanted.

So this incident was fabricated - and Allah knows that the Arabs and Muslims are innocent of it - in order to serve as a pretext to attack Islam and the Muslims.

All of a sudden, after we were used to consider America to be a rational and balanced country... All of a sudden, it violates international conventions, cancels treaties, ignores the U.N., acts on its own accord, attacks nations, kills innocent people, and claims it has the right to do so - and all this is based on lies. These were lies from beginning to end, and we were not used to lying - not in policy, not in our discourse, and not in the media. Imagine what crisis the Arab and Islam nation finds itself in, in the midst of these peculiar events, which we cannot explain or believe. All of a sudden, we were framed for an international crime, on the basis of lies.

I believe a dirty Zionist hand carried out this act. Zionism has taken the opportunity to escalate the war in Palestine, killing hundreds of thousands so far, while we watch from the sidelines in astonishment and ask: What's going on?

[Roninvancouver]

Apparently when Professor Abd Al-Sabour Shahin made this statement a photographer snapped the below photograph:

http://phillips.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/1111pinocchio_1.jpg

[asim99]

it is as absurd as saying saddam hussain was responsible for 9/11

[llcooljayce]

Muslims Had Nothing to Do with 9/11 Attack on the Empire State Building

... ummm ... pretty sure it was the WTC

[anvah]

Muslims Had Nothing to Do with 9/11 Attack on the Empire State Building

... ummm ... pretty sure it was the WTC

Well, he's right. Muslims didn't have anything to do with the attack on the Empire State Building.

Of course, @hmed will state that the Arabs who attacked WTC weren't actually muslims. Right @hmed?

Anvah

[Shaner]

I'm Canadian, not American, so admittedly, I don't always follow American news nor do I always know what occurs down in the states. I apologize to any Americans for my ignorance, but I was under the impression that it was the WTC that got attacked, not the Empire State building.

In fact, I'll even take it a step further. I have been to New York since the 9/11 attacks occured, and i could have sworn that I stood there and looked directly at the Empire State Building. Damn, and I thought Americans were ignorant. This whole time I didn't realize the WTC is still standing and the Empire state building is the one that collapsed.

Stupid, stupid me.

:lol:

[lip1978]

I just quoted the article... Apparently the guy said the ESB.

[d_jedi]

What he said is technically correct. Muslims had nothing to do with the 9/11 attack on the Empire State Building.. because there was no such attack.

Now, let's assume that he didn't make such a fundamental error in his argument to refute what he probably meant.. that arabs and muslims were not responsible for the 9/11 attack on the WTC (do we even need to refute this, after proving him entirely uncredible?)

I find him entirely hypocritical when he says "All of a sudden, we were framed for an international crime, on the basis of lies.".. and then goes on a racist rant to blame Jewish people for it all.
"I believe a dirty Zionist hand carried out this act. Zionism has taken the opportunity to escalate the war in Palestine, killing hundreds of thousands so far, while we watch from the sidelines in astonishment and ask: What's going on?"

Discredited in entirety. Next!

[HughG]

interesting.

[radeonboy]

Somebody's on crack? :confused:

[opticat]

It's justified to lie for Islam. Isn't it @hmad?

[HeatSeeker]

On a somewhat related topic, I thought I'd share this email I recently received. Make what you want of it. It may be familiar to some.

Please pause a moment, reflect back, and take the following multiple choice test. The events are actual events from history. They actually happened!
Do you remember?

1. 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by
>a. Superman
>b. Jay Leno
>c. Harry Potter
>d. a Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40

2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by
>a. Olga Corbett
>b. Sitting Bull
>c. Arnold Schwarzenegger
>d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

3. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by:
>a. Lost Norwegians
>b. Elvis
>c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
>d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

4. During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:
>a. John Dillinger
>b. The King of Sweden
>c. The Boy Scouts
>d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

5. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
>a. A pizza delivery boy
>b. Pee Wee Herman
>c. Geraldo Rivera
>d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

6. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by:
>a. The Smurfs
>b. Davy Jones
>c. The Little Mermaid
>d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

7. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by:
>a. Captain Kidd
>b. Charles Lindberg
>c. Mother Teresa
>d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

8. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
>a. Scooby Doo
>b. The Tooth Fairy
>c. Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid
>d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

9. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:
>a. Richard Simmons
>b. Grandma Moses
>c. Michael Jordan
>d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

10. In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
>a. Mr. Rogers
>b. Hillary Clinton, to distract attention from Wild Bill's women problems
>c. The World Wrestling Federation
>d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

11. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take out the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers. Thousands of people were killed by:
>a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer
>Fudd
>b. The Supreme Court of Florida
>c. Mr. Bean
>d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

12. In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:
>a. Enron
>b. The Lutheran Church
>c. The NFL
>d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

13. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:
>a. Bonnie and Clyde
>b. Captain Kangaroo
>c. Billy Graham
>d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40


Nope, I really don't see a pattern here to justify profiling, do you? So, to ensure we Americans never offend anyone, particularly fanatics intent on killing us, airport security screeners will no longer be allowed to profile certain people. They must conduct random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, secret agents who are members of the President's security detail, 85-year old Congressmen with metal hips, and Medal of Honor winning and former Governor Joe Foss,
but leave Muslim Males between the ages 17 and 40 alone lest they be guilty of profiling. Let's send this to as many people as we can so that the Gloria Aldreds and other dunder-headed attorneys along with Federal Justices that want to thwart common sense, feel doubly ashamed of themselves -- if they have any such sense. As the writer of the award winning story "Forrest Gump" so aptly put it, "Stupid is as stupid does." Come on people; Wake up!!!

[Spent]

:razz: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You couldn't even get the name of the building right (in your fantasy world) :cheesygri

Yeh these are the same bunch of lying savages who tortured an innocent Canadian (http://www.ccadp.org/williamsampson-newstorture.htm) for several months :mad: and don't allow women to vote :rolleyes:
or anything else for that matter (http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-scheer9aug09,0,3079443.column?coll=la-util-opinion-commentary) ie driving a car

[hagbard]

http://www.memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=800
Granted, MEMRI has a certain bias, but they also have videotape.

Egyptian Professor Abd Al-Sabour Shahin: Muslims Had Nothing to Do with 9/11 Attack on the Empire State Building

The following are excerpts from an interview with Egyptian professor Abd Al-Sabour Shahin, which aired on Saudi Channel 1 on August 8, 2005.

Shahin: Our enemies weave many lies about us, which we are not necessarily aware of. For example: One day, we awoke to the crime of 9/11, which hit the tallest buildings in New York, the Empire State Building (sic). There is no doubt that not a single Arab or Muslim had anything to do with these events. The incident was fabricated as a pretext to attack Islam and Muslims. The plan was to take over the world's energy sources, and to achieve this control by force and not by agreement or negotiations, by interests, free trade, or anything like that. This is what they wanted.

So this incident was fabricated - and Allah knows that the Arabs and Muslims are innocent of it - in order to serve as a pretext to attack Islam and the Muslims.

All of a sudden, after we were used to consider America to be a rational and balanced country... All of a sudden, it violates international conventions, cancels treaties, ignores the U.N., acts on its own accord, attacks nations, kills innocent people, and claims it has the right to do so - and all this is based on lies. These were lies from beginning to end, and we were not used to lying - not in policy, not in our discourse, and not in the media. Imagine what crisis the Arab and Islam nation finds itself in, in the midst of these peculiar events, which we cannot explain or believe. All of a sudden, we were framed for an international crime, on the basis of lies.

I believe a dirty Zionist hand carried out this act. Zionism has taken the opportunity to escalate the war in Palestine, killing hundreds of thousands so far, while we watch from the sidelines in astonishment and ask: What's going on?


Yaaaahhhaaa....that's right.

[ronin893]

On a somewhat related topic, I thought I'd share this email I recently received. Make what you want of it. It may be familiar to some.The fact that you posted that email means that you agreed with its contents. The "quiz" is stupid. Anyone can come up with a random list of events where [insert targetted group here] murders innocent people.

Furthermore, carry a Qu'ran (Koran), dress in Islamic clothing (http://islam.about.com/library/weekly/aa020900a.htm) and try walking through US airport security. (No, it doesn't matter if your facial features are Caucasian or whatever.) If you are seriously willing to do that, then I will let you win this argument.

[ronin893]

I do not consider Saudi Arabia as a friend of the West and this gives more reason. Saudi Arabia controls the airwaves there, so they can easily shut him up. Why is Bush still so friendly with them, eh? Oh yeah, oil.

[webdoctors]

but this prof is true, the Muslims had nothing to do wid attackz on the ESB, in fact i believe there were no attacks on the ESB.
:|

[ThinkOutsideTheBox]

On a somewhat related topic, I thought I'd share this email I recently received. Make what you want of it. It may be familiar to some.

[B]Please pause a moment, reflect back, and take the following multiple choice test. The events are actual events from history. They actually happened!
Do you remember?
.etc.etc.etc

Do you honestly think we couldn't come up with a 13 question multiple choice test where the American government doesn't come out looking like the bad guys,
Iraq, Iran, Columbia, Panama, Vietnam, Nicaragua, etc, etc, etc.

Honestly, using this email as an example of why muslim males should be profiled is exactly the same as the rest of us using all of the American atrocities to justify killing American citizens the world over.

[ThinkOutsideTheBox]

:razz: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You couldn't even get the name of the building right (in your fantasy world) :cheesygri

Yeh these are the same bunch of lying savages who tortured an innocent Canadian (http://www.ccadp.org/williamsampson-newstorture.htm) for several months :mad: and don't allow women to vote :rolleyes:
or anything else for that matter (http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-scheer9aug09,0,3079443.column?coll=la-util-opinion-commentary) ie driving a car

Btw, in case you're wondering, it may have been a Saudi newsreport, but the Professor is Egyptian....and to my best knowledge, no Egyptian has been involved in torturing anyone....in addition to the fact that Egyptian women can drive automobiles.

As a further thought, it was the Egyptians who improved relations with Israel after the 6-Days war.

Also, because you seem to forget....the Saudi's oppressive government that you make reference to is not the focus of an American-British military action, even though it is more oppressive than the Afgani Taliban.

[d_jedi]

Btw, in case you're wondering, it may have been a Saudi newsreport, but the Professor is Egyptian....and to my best knowledge, no Egyptian has been involved in torturing anyone....in addition to the fact that Egyptian women can drive automobiles.
Err.. I think you're wrong about the torture thing.

Also, because you seem to forget....the Saudi's oppressive government that you make reference to is not the focus of an American-British military action, even though it is more oppressive than the Afgani Taliban.
Are you kidding me? The Taliban government was way more oppressive.. you couldn't even listen to music there, for f* sake..

[ThinkOutsideTheBox]

Err.. I think you're wrong about the torture thing.

Okay, if i'm wrong, find me an example.

Are you kidding me? The Taliban government was way more oppressive.. you couldn't even listen to music there, for f* sake..
The Saudi goverment is easily as oppressive as the Taliban government, especially in their treatment of women. But, say I were to agree with you, is there then a litmus test, or a minimal amount of oppression that the western world can stand before they argue to send in troops for a regime change, and if so, what is that criteria?

[ThinkOutsideTheBox]

D_Jedi, its also nice that your thoughts and prayers are out there for the victims in London, but have you ever felt pity for the victims in Iraq? Minus the soldiers and members of the Saddam government, there have been way more civilians killed than in London and New York combined. Where is your sympathy for them.

[d_jedi]

Okay, if i'm wrong, find me an example.
Isn't that what got one of those Al Qaeda terrorist leaders all pissed off in the first place? (see: The Power of Nightmares)
With a quick google search:
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2005/05/11/egypt10603.htm

The Saudi goverment is easily as oppressive as the Taliban government, especially in their treatment of women. But, say I were to agree with you, is there then a litmus test, or a minimal amount of oppression that the western world can stand before they argue to send in troops for a regime change, and if so, what is that criteria?
I don't believe there is such a test. In most cases of military intervention, human rights abuses have been justification and a motivating factor, but not the main reason for it. I would like to say that the western world, indeed the whole free world, would intervene - at the very minimum - when there is genocide, or the potential for it.. but our record has been shameful at times, and that has cost many, many innocent people their lives.

[d_jedi]

D_Jedi, its also nice that your thoughts and prayers are out there for the victims in London, but have you ever felt pity for the victims in Iraq?
Absolutely.

[ThinkOutsideTheBox]

Isn't that what got one of those Al Qaeda terrorist leaders all pissed off in the first place? (see: The Power of Nightmares)
With a quick google search:
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2005/05/11/egypt10603.htm


I don't believe there is such a test. In most cases of military intervention, human rights abuses have been justification and a motivating factor, but not the main reason for it. I would like to say that the western world, indeed the whole free world, would intervene - at the very minimum - when there is genocide, or the potential for it.. but our record has been shameful at times, and that has cost many, many innocent people their lives.

I agree with you, many times the western world has intervened based upon human rights abuses, but look at our recent scoresheet and most predominantly Iraq vs. Sudan. The link you sent related to Islamic insurgents getting tortured...doesn't this fit with my link that Egypt and the western world are working together? And also, does it bode any better for the US to send suspected terrorists to nations that can legally torture people?

I am also glad to see that you felt sympathy for Iraqi casualties...however, and this isn't a meant in offense, why didn't you have that sympathy in your signature?

[grant]

I am also glad to see that you felt sympathy for Iraqi casualties...however, and this isn't a meant in offense, why didn't you have that sympathy in your signature?

They get his pity, but not his thoughts & prayers.

[CSR]

Isn't the empire state building in CHICAGO?

[insanity]

I thought the Empire State Building was Darth Vader's home in the Star Wars movie Empire Strikes Back.

[ronin893]

Isn't the empire state building in CHICAGO?You're thinking of the Sears Tower.