Iraqi sniper video

[B40]

Original thread: http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=179118

Video: http://gojackarmy.castpost.com/156.html

I realize the original thread was locked, but they just showed the video on CNN, so if it's ok for CNN, it should be ok here.

Media Release
256th Brigade Combat Team
Camp Tigerland
Baghdad, Iraq
APO, AE 09326
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE July 5, 2005
RELEASE 20050705-01

256th BCT Soldier survives sniper attack
Spc. Chris Foster
256th Brigade Combat Team PAO

BAGHDAD -- Being able to react to and maintain control of a situation in a combat environment can be a difficult task for Soldiers. They must be able to quickly react and assess a situation, in order to ensure their survival and the safety of those around them. "Stay alert, stay alive" is the reminder that is driven into the minds of Soldiers since the first day of basic training and echoes throughout their military careers.

This axiom was driven home for at least one Soldier on June 2. Pfc. Stephen Tschiderer, a native of Mendon, N.Y., and a medic with E
Troop, 101st "Saber" Cavalry Division, attached to 3rd Battalion, 156th Infantry Regiment, 256th Brigade Combat Team, 3rd Infantry Division, was shot in the chest by an enemy sniper, during a routine patrol in west Baghdad.

While Tschiderer was relaying information to the truck commander of his M114 Humvee, an enemy sniper team prepared to engage him from inside of a cushioned silver van being used as a mobile sniper's nest. This nest was lined with numerous bed mattresses to muffle the sound of a Dragonoff sniper rifle fired through a hole just big enough for the shooter to engage his target of choice.

Tschiderer was knocked to the ground from the sudden impact of the sniper's bullet. The bullet only seemed to have fazed this Soldier as, adrenaline pumping, he sprang right back up in order to take cover and locate the enemy's position. The sniper was unsuccessful in his mission, due to the stopping force of the Tschiderer's daily wardrobe, his protective body armor, which saved his life.

“I knew I was hit, but was uncertain of the damage or location from the hit,” Tschiderer said. “The only thing that was going through my mind was to take cover and locate the sniper’s position.”

“The shot came from my 12 o’clock position from a silver van parked across an intersection about 75 meters from my location.” said Tschiderer. After Tschiderer alerted his fellow Soldiers of the enemy location, they immediately began to pursue the terrorists.

Due to his heroic actions and quick decisions, Tschiderer located the enemy while he took cover and alerted the rest of his team on patrol. As the Saber team engaged and disabled the sniper’s position, two terrorists fled on foot, leaving a blood trail that came from the wounds of the enemy sniper.

A cordon and search was immediately set up and Tschiderer assisted his team in the search of the two terrorists. The driver of the silver vehicle was detained by a team from B Co. 3-156th Inf. Bn. while Tschiderer and a team from B Company, 4th Battalion, 1st Iraqi Army Brigade, continued to follow the blood trail which led them to the yard where the wounded sniper lay in pain.

As Tschiderer secured the terrorist with a pair of handcuffs, he gave medical aid to the wounded terrorist—the same one who’d tried to take his life.

[Evil Techie]

wow its ok for CNN to show that?

i guess the american govnt would mind some advertisements for how tough their soldiers are...


nice bulletproof vest btw
stupid iraqis, they need to practice how to do headshots in counterstrike
ehehhee :twisted:

jk

Bush shouldve been that GI there...

then he would know what it is like to fight a war

[B40]

wow its ok for CNN to show that?

i guess the american govnt would mind some advertisements for how tough their soldiers are...

Why not? There's no blood involved, he was wearing body armour...

[Evil Techie]

well the military could think that they dont want this to scare the recruits that there could be snipers out there in iraq ready to take out new american soldier in iraq

if i was a recruiting officer (i would never be one), i would not want the kids on the streets to see this video

[me!]

if that was fired from an AK47, that should have gone through the armour plating. (not that i wanted it to, or that it should go through), but I recall the ak47 can pierce through armour plating.

[Evil Techie]

most of the armoured cars can protect the occupants from AK47 solid lead bullets

i dont think the bulletproof vests can however
except the one that the canadian guy invented not long ago (not sure if that is being used on the battlefield now though, it was still going through tests the last time i heard about it) and the results were very very impressive

i just thought that a sniper rifle is suppose to be more powerful than AK-47
unless it was over a very long range and the rifle was just a weak hunter's rifle

[jedijome]

lady luck was smiling down on stephen that day. holy cow, i guess like they say, you only go when your time is up. no sooner , no later.

[me!]

most of the armoured cars can protect the occupants from AK47 solid lead bullets

i dont think the bulletproof vests can however
except the one that the canadian guy invented not long ago (not sure if that is being used on the battlefield now though, it was still going through tests the last time i heard about it) and the results were very very impressive

i just thought that a sniper rifle is suppose to be more powerful than AK-47
unless it was over a very long range and the rifle was just a weak hunter's rifle
I recall wathcing a Discovery Channel documentary about the AK47 vs the M16 and the AK47 blew the socks off the M16 wrt power. They also demonstrated it going through body armour. Perhaps it was just a cheap sniper rifle.

[v00d00]

I have to ask.. but just because something was shown on tv, has does that mean it's acceptable on here?

If the other thread was locked.. then apparently it's not acceptable.. right? What if CNN showed a naked tit.. that means it's acceptable on RFD?

Just curious..

[me!]

I have to ask.. but just because something was shown on tv, has does that mean it's acceptable on here?

If the other thread was locked.. then apparently it's not acceptable.. right? What if CNN showed a naked tit.. that means it's acceptable on RFD?

Just curious..
naked tits O > O

where ? where?

[i6s1]

to muffle the sound of a Dragonoff sniper rifle fired through a hole

It wasn't an AK round, it was a 7.62x54, which is more powerful then the AK's 7.62x39.

[v00d00]

naked tits O > O

where ? where?
Well most nights on CBC.. but that's Canadian.. and it doesn't apply to RFD like CNN does.

[Evil Techie]

I recall wathcing a Discovery Channel documentary about the AK47 vs the M16 and the AK47 blew the socks off the M16 wrt power. They also demonstrated it going through body armour. Perhaps it was just a cheap sniper rifle.

heh yeah everyone who plays CS should know that AK-47 beats an M-16 hehehe

i saw new bulletproof vest on discovery channel too
boy we sure learn a lot from watching tv eh

hehe

there is also that nanotube threading technology that is going to make the vest 3x stronger than spider silk
and should be very tough and much lighter than kelvar

[i6s1]

heh yeah everyone who plays CS should know that AK-47 beats an M-16 hehehe


In RL you can carry twice as much ammo if you have an M16, 5.56 ammo is half the weight.

[d_jedi]

Cue Chumbawamba..
I get knocked down, but I get up again. You ain't never gonna keep me down..

[WiZZLa]

Not graphic at all IMO, in case anyone is wondering if they should watch the video & gets queasy easily.

[MilkyWind]

don't they censor parts of it when they show stuff like this on cnn

[v00d00]

You ain't never gonna keep me down..
Too bad more American soldiers and civilians can't say that.

[B40]

I have to ask.. but just because something was shown on tv, has does that mean it's acceptable on here?

If the other thread was locked.. then apparently it's not acceptable.. right? What if CNN showed a naked tit.. that means it's acceptable on RFD?

Just curious..

Well it was probably locked because you reported it.

I don't see anything wrong with the video though and the rules say no adult material and this is a PG rated site....is CNN not a PG rated site as well?

[v00d00]

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[d_jedi]

Perhaps the content may put some people in an awkward situation.
Then don't watch it.
Simple.

[B40]

Perhaps the content may put some people in an awkward situation.

I don't want to argue with you. If you feel it is inappropriate, report it again. I explained why I reposted a locked thread.

Lets keep the discussion on the video itself and let the mods decide if the thread should be locked or not.

[B40]

Did anybody read the last paragraph in the article? I don't know if I could have done the same thing if I was in his position. Nice to see some positive news coming from Iraq instead of all the negative publicity.

[v00d00]

I don't want to argue with you. If you feel it is inappropriate, report it again. I explained why I reposted a locked thread.
10-4

[konfusion666]

do gun experts consider that video to be legit?

it seems a bit odd... there is a noticeable pause between the crack of the rifle and the visual of the soldier being hit and going down. also, it doesn't seem as if the soldier is hit with too much force as he isn't thrown backwards very much (and as others indicated, the body armor seemed to protect him).

[toalan]

Why does CNN call the snipers "terrorists" over and over? I thought they were more like gurilla (sp) fighters or something.

[HughG]

that was a crazy video.

[Evil Techie]

why wtf
why did they associate war with terrorism

american government is again using CNN to brain wash the american public

[UrbanPoet]

do gun experts consider that video to be legit?

it seems a bit odd... there is a noticeable pause between the crack of the rifle and the visual of the soldier being hit and going down. also, it doesn't seem as if the soldier is hit with too much force as he isn't thrown backwards very much (and as others indicated, the body armor seemed to protect him).

Ah... on a gun board i frequent they were talking about this!
They said that him falling down after being shot is a learned pyschological response.

Under Armour injuries are a definate risk,what is odd is the fact he went down at all.A bullet cannot knock you down,some experts belive it is a learned action,you see guys on TV get shot and fall down so if you are shot you must fall. Richard Davis for example has shot himself hundreds of times with both rifle and pistol caliber firearms and hasn't fallen over yet,interesting psyological response.

if you wanna look more into it you could google Richard Davis and see whathis studies were about.

[Beradon]

wow its ok for CNN to show that?

i guess the american govnt would mind some advertisements for how tough their soldiers are...You're right, I rather CNN show more videos of iraqi insurgents getting blown up by coalition soldiers. That's far more entertaining.

Bush shouldve been that GI there...

then he would know what it is like to fight a warI wish you were that GI so you can understand the price American soldiers pay for Iraqi freedom. :lol:
Plus you'll be one less mess for RFD to deal with.

[me!]

Well most nights on CBC.. but that's Canadian.. and it doesn't apply to RFD like CNN does.
CityTV on Friday nights after late news. soft core p0rn and full frontage. :lol:

[Absolute]

CityTV on Friday nights after late news. soft core p0rn and full frontage. :lol:
Like when I was a kid in Ottawa, TQS always had porn movies on Blue nuit after 11pm.

[B40]

Ah... on a gun board i frequent they were talking about this!
They said that him falling down after being shot is a learned pyschological response.


Can you post a link? I'd like to see what they're saying about this video.

[i6s1]

Why does CNN call the snipers "terrorists" over and over? I thought they were more like gurilla (sp) fighters or something.

You're wrong. Watch it for a while and count how many times you hear the word "Terrorist". You'll find they do use the term correctly.

An insurgent is someone who attacks the US military.

A terrorist is someone who attacks civilians.

[i6s1]

do gun experts consider that video to be legit?

it seems a bit odd... there is a noticeable pause between the crack of the rifle and the visual of the soldier being hit and going down. also, it doesn't seem as if the soldier is hit with too much force as he isn't thrown backwards very much (and as others indicated, the body armor seemed to protect him).

Deer will often be able to stay on thier feet when hit with similar sized cartriges.

At 75 yards it should be about 1/10sec b/w gunshot and impact, but add another fraction of a second for the soldier to react. There might be a bit of an audio sync error as well.

[UrbanPoet]

Can you post a link? I'd like to see what they're saying about this video.

Ntohing big.. just talking about how ****** it must be to get shot...
how professional he was for helping out the shooter after
and some military guys were talking about the times they got shot